Bombs Away!

Killing Obamacare failed. Banning immigration of folks from unstable countries failed. Monitoring his feuding protégés Bannon and Kushner is proving to be a challenge. Ok, he got Gorsuch – but not really. That was the work of savvy pol Mitch McConnell. 

So what’s a president to do to score big in the first 100 days? Start dropping bombs of course. Syria’s Assad gave Trump a wet kiss in the form of “your predecessor was a weak punk, how bout you?” Never one to shrink from provocation, Trump lobbed 59 Tomahawk missiles on a Syrian airstrip. And he did so while enjoying a delicious slice of cake with China’s Xi Jinping.  I think there’s little doubt he was showing Xi by example that no one screws with him. 

A few days later he drops a MOAB (colloquially called the Mother of all Bombs) on an Afghanistan tunnel complex killing a few dozen ISIL members in the process. 

But this is child’s play compared to the real big bully on the block. Yes we’re talking about that nut job Kim Jong-un, leader of North Korea. This dude is so crazy he kills his relatives if they piss him off. And he’s got nukes. And his missiles that can carry the nukes get better everyday. So much so, various experts are suggesting we strengthen our defenses. You know what that means, Washington and California, it’s duck and cover time!! 

I think it’s a damn shame that a punk (only in his 30’s) can have the strongest nation on Earth shaking in our boots. And make no mistake, we are scared shitless. While we were sweating Iran getting a nuke and those dangerous Muslims using them in their jihad, old Kimmy was having a grand time bulking up. Maybe if he had threatened Israel, we might have given a damn? 

So now he holds South Korea hostage and he can kill a few Chinese and Japanese while he’s at it. This greatly reduces our options. Can we say to Seoul, “hey, we can greatly damage his nuclear arsenal if you guys don’t mind losing a few thousand citizens.”  Somehow I don’t think South Korea will sign up for that. My history is pretty weak but I don’t think Harry Truman envisioned this outcome of the Korean War, a nation so badass it has the USA pissing in its pants. 

I’m torn on the whole thing. A part of me wants Trump to, in his words, bomb the shit out of them. But I have trouble accepting the massive bloodshed that will ensue. However is the bloodshed not a matter of if but when? 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

Update: As this goes “to press” (I’ve always wanted to use that phrase), Kimmy just launched another missile which was a dud. Don’t let that calm you. Public humiliation will likely only make him madder. 

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218 thoughts on “Bombs Away!

  1. Tigre how much of a deterrent is our military presence? We sent a war ship into the region this week and nutjob Kim still tried another missile test today. At least he didn’t do the nuke test we were worried about.

  2. “My history is pretty weak but I don’t think Harry Truman envisioned this outcome of the Korean War, a nation so badass it has the USA pissing in its pants.”

    Yeah because Harry Truman wasn’t around when 51,000 Anericans died over there or anything. I see why they call it the Forgotten War.

    “Maybe if he had threatened Israel, we might have given a damn? ”

    We’ve had 30,000 troops stationed there for a half century.

  3. “The problem is that our guy is just as bat guano crazy as their guy.”

    Don’t stop there. Please explain how they compare.

  4. Last I’ve heard Trump hasn’t executed political rivals with anti-aircraft guns, had them eaten alive by dogs, or assassinated with VX poison.

    Do you know something we don’t?

  5. Yeah because Harry Truman wasn’t around when 51,000 Anericans died over there or anything. I see why they call it the Forgotten War.

    Help me with that. Since I wasn’t attempting to put a lot of historical perspective on the post, I’m not entirely getting where your going and the sarcasm is further confusing me.

    Are you saying Truman poorly executed the war?

  6. “Yes I will agree Kim and Trump don’t compare … except in one way. I’m not sure how predictable either one is.”

    I’m not sure how predictable any president is.

    On a different note, we either need to retract our criticism of Obama’s golf and time away from the White House or start holding Trump’s feet to the fire a bit more for the same. I’m conflicted as to which I’m going to do, but I thought it was time to at least mention it.

  7. “My history is pretty weak but I don’t think Harry Truman envisioned this outcome of the Korean War, a nation so badass it has the USA pissing in its pants.”

    I think maybe upon rereading, I misunderstood you.

    That being said, the entire Truman Doctrine could be summed up by Americans pissing their pants over the threat of communism.

    No…I don’t think a stalemate lasting 50 years was on his radar.

  8. “Tigre would you not agree more conservative angst has been expended on Iran than NK over at least the last four years?”

    Sure. And Obama was cutting deals with it that we still don’t know the terms of.

  9. As the newly selected president, Lisa Simpson claims we inherited quite a deficit from president trump. It’s pointed out that he bankrupted the nation in that 17 year old cartoon. I think that is the game plan.

    He already costs more to maintain than any of his predecessors. He has vast experience with bankruptcy and spending other people’s money. Wars and rumors of wars are definitely on the increase. His disaster potential has no limit. He’s surrounded himself with warmongering neocons and now we’re dropping bombs on other countries we are not even at war with. And we’re not trying to hide it. I suppose he will bomb us into greatness.

  10. Mexico had me pissing in my pants when Obama was President. That gutless weasel and rim job Reggie would cater to any thug that could further weaken America.

    By the end, it became too obvious that, yes, Obama actually hated America and especially white America. That’s why the Prog Left still loves the feckless one and will always love the feckless one: anti-God, anti-gun, anti-American.

    But I’ve never heard one person I know actually piss in their pants over North Korea – not even Californians. I’ve got a suspicion this dud “rocket” actually had some help blowing up. Not by visible rockets but by invisible means of cyber warfare and jamming electronics.

  11. I believe cartoons are more real than our controlled media. Truth is hidden in plain sight, right where we aren’t looking for it. Comics and cartoons, music and movies all express nuggets of truth. The stuff taught us as being true is actually mostly lies. It’s reverso world – inverted – devil’s domain.

    We have us an orange clown with biggus dickus syndrome tweeting the shots.

  12. @ Rutherford I think the USA has a legitimate concern over what a nuclear Iran may do to a fragile region that has yet to really experience the explosion it is capable of.
    In the case of NK we rely on there being a line somewhere that China screams ENOUGH KIMMIE!
    That line is kind of an issue since it obviously existed in reverse thus causing the Korean War to play out like it did.

  13. I don’t buy into anyone pissing their pants,especially Americans who are too preoccupied with other stuff to actually believe NK poses a threat. The Japanese and definitely the South Koreans have skin in the game. I think the missing point is whether the NK’s common types are so brainwashed that they would respond to Kimmy when SK,China & USA unleash an attack. I am not sold on the idea they have so totally lost it that if we started something they’d do much other than surrender.

  14. I frankly don’t give two fucks where any president spends his time. Not a single citizen of this country can possibly imagine the enormous pressures of the job. So long as national security is not compromised, the POTUS can do his job from a bathtub for all I care.

    That said, when Huck and Alfie correctly point out the double standard on this re Trump v Obama, we get crickets from the rest of the bar.

    I’m not surprised. When we get right down to it, Tigre, Tex, BiC and to a slightly lesser extent Rabbit are partisan hacks.

  15. Since communism is basically dead, is it possible that China no longer has the ideological stake in NK that it did in the early 1950’s?

    On another note, does anyone here know the status of women in NK? I ask because whenever I see video of Kim, he’s surrounded by men. Is this due to the highly militarized nature of the Kim regime?

  16. Happy Eastet, and fuck off Rutherford. I made the same comment when it came up before. You’re too big a hack to remember.

    In fact, you calling anyone on the planet a partisan hack is lol. You and your broken irony meter is a huge source of amusement though.

    See if you can find where I already told your bony deluded ass that Trump can suck it if he’s running the huge and unnecessary expenses for recreation — as I recall a from an article posted by Huck.

    But your new found concern about double standards is certainly refreshing. Your objective few of Obama is delicious. 😆

  17. “Oh BTW Tigre, I assume you marched in the Atlanta tax day march yesterday to get Trump to release his returns.”

    Nah. I’m sure Lois Lerner can arrange their release.

    I’d still like to know what y’all think Trump’s returns are supposed to show. I know what the dems and media want them for. They just need to couch the existence or non-existence of entries as something nefarious and that works for the hysterical prog masses. But I’d like to know what the objective Rutherford thinks he will devine from them. 1099’s from Putin?

  18. I did some reading on the events in Berkeley yesterday. It would seem there are various right and left groups springing up. Ones that I haven’t heard of before now.

    On the left there are still the anarchist Black Bloc, and By Any means Nessecary (the leader of which was interviewed by Tucker Carlson). But one I haven’t heard of before now is known as Antifa. Depending on who you ask, it stands for Anti-fascist or Anti-First Amendment. They even have their own flag and symbols, so they are not interested in hiding their existence (although they do hide their identities).

    On the right are still the alt-right, but one I hadn’t heard of is the Proud Boys.

    Yesterday in Berkeley both sides came prepared for a fight and neither was disappointed. While there were some arrests and injuries, I’m guessing to both sides, all accounts I have seen suggest the right eventually ran off the left.

    I find this all very fascinating, yet unsurprising. People are only going to take a beating for so long before they start hitting back, and that is what the right is doing. Just like the left has organized violent protest groups, the right is now starting to do the same.

    It’s really only a matter of time until a death occurs on one side or another. This is escalating the same way gang violence has. Decades ago gangs used fairly non-lethal weapons to run off competition until the back and forth grew to automatic weapons. Once someone gets stabbed and killed at one of these protests, the guns will start coming out.

  19. 1099’s from Putin?

    That made me laugh.

    I think you’re overthinking this. The departure from tradition backed by the “I’m under audit” nonsense makes it look like he’s hiding something.

    Frankly it’s akin to Obamas BC and college records. Once you say, “release them” and you get no answer, the suspicion starts. The only difference is there is no precedent for releasing ones BC or college records while there is one for tax returns.

  20. “And like gang violence it will become a new norm. Sad.”

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Because there is a 3rd group that has been fairly silent in all of this…government.

    Depending on which side suffers the death and which city it occurs in, there may or may not be a government response. And if it comes, will it be local, state, or federal?

    That’s when things are going to get really interesting.

  21. Another thing to ponder is the potential for clashes of those various levels of government in all of this.

    If a person on the right gets killed in a protest in Berkeley, how would the Trump administration respond? Would it respond differently if a person from the left were killed? And how might California and/or the city of Berkeley respond to that response? Would they respond differently depending on the alignment of the victim?

  22. @Huck I think you have part of your answer with how the locals respond. From well outside it looks like the police pray for nothing to cross whatever line they’ve drawn

  23. From a partisan hack, 🙏, the funniest thing I heard about those Berzerkley riots was after the battle was obviously won, the right started giving the remaining pussified stooges of the Left wedgies. 😆 😆

    No, I ain’t kidding. I can’t think of a more fitting end to a bunch of wannabee tough guys.

  24. LOL I just watched it and was going to give it kudos at least for humor if nothing else.

    Poolman is in a pickle. He is the perfect example of “just cos you’re paranoid doesn’t mean the bastards are not out to get you.”

  25. Then Poolman should email you the videos. Fuck.

    Everything I post is genius and makes everyone’s’ lives better. Basically, I’m the Kanye or video posting.

    Poolman? Shit. Some stoned 30 year old virgin living in their parents’ basements with a headset is profound. He is the Nickelback of video posts.

  26. “He is the Nickelback of video posts.”

    He really is. I have not come close to clicking a poolman link in years or read anything more than 10 words. He wastes his time here.

  27. R, even you have to see that the violent porg mobs travel on their sworn-enemy’s tolerance, don’t you? DR’s right. They’re like the girls that punch, slap, spit on and smack talk a dude — then when the dude decides if they’re gonna act like a man he’ll treat ’em like man they curl up in the fetal position crying and wishing they hadn’t started the shit.

  28. With the way things have gone in Turkey since, I am of the growing suspicion the entire “coup” thing was a ruse by Erdogan.

  29. I always feel richer after ET shares one of his homeboy videos. I had to break open a fresh jar of mayonnaise on this one. 😆 .

  30. With the way things have gone in Turkey since, I am of the growing suspicion the entire “coup” thing was a ruse by Erdogan.

    Tend to agree, Huck. Things are looking my dicey for Turkey’s future.

  31. Some stoned 30 year old virgin living in their parents’ basements with a headset is profound.

    Well in all fairness I don’t recall your complaining when Noah would post the profound political analysis of a 14 year old from Facebook. 😀

    But I forget. That was his form of black outreach. 🙄

  32. I could give a shit about ET”s or DR’s fee fees. Besides, they always defend the official versions of events. They are well invested in it.

    But I’m 60 now. My research over the past 9 years has me questioning everything the liars say and tell us is so. As you are aware, I just recently realized the earth is not spinning through space. There is no curve. The lies are immense. Nothing surprises me anymore.

    As a side note(by now DR and ET are tuned out), my eyesight has improved and I only need my glasses when driving at night. I’ve had to wear glasses since I was 17 and always hated it. The human body is amazing and if you treat it well it can heal itself. The best medicine is real food.

  33. “Well in all fairness I don’t recall your complaining when Noah would post the profound political analysis of a 14 year old from Facebook. ”

    I will pimp slap the shit out of you if you’re dissin’ Chickin’ Lickin’.

    If not, hell if I know what you’re talking about. I didn’t watch Noah’s videos either.

  34. I will pimp slap the shit out of you if you’re dissin’ Chickin’ Lickin’.

    LOL I forgot about Chicken Lickin. Now I’ve gotta recall if he and the 14 year old I’m thinking of were the same person. But to be sure, I’d have to go search through Noah’s old posts and I’d sooner have root canal.

  35. Poolman you’ve made several references to the 60th anniversary of your birth. Especially where the flat earth stuff is concerned, have you given any thought to seeing a doctor about premature senility? 😉

  36. R, I would work as roadie for Sofia Jannok before I’d suffer through more of Poolman’s heavy-duty Youtube “research.”

  37. 2 references actually. But you’re the only one who reads them anyway. Flat earth is a fairly new revelation to me. It’s like those paintings you stare at that look like abstracts until you see the image in them. Once you go flat, you don’t go back.

  38. Well here’s an interesting nugget. I don’t remember who here cited Dennis Kucinich as credible (one of you did within the past couple of weeks) but Dennis says he thinks the chem attack on Syria was a false flag and that Assad had nothing to do with it.

    He’s seeing another neocon push for regime change ala Libya in the making – complete with lies to the American people to gain our support.

    Mmmmmm 🤔🤔

  39. He is absolutely correct, though I’m surprised he is voicing it based on what his truth telling has brought on him in the past.

  40. @ Rutherford the facts of when and who’s aircraft was up in the air is the hardest point of the argument.Otherwise the whole thing has a lot of stink to it.

  41. @ Huck I just spent far too much time looking at left leaning spin on the Berkeley debacle. The spin is trying to portray all three incidents as equal and all being anti-fascism heroes fighting the good fight against a vastly co-opted MAGA movement that has gone white supremacist heavy.
    I personally think relying on trashing Milo as being equal to the presence of obvious neo Nazi shitbags is dishonest and a but of a red flag.
    I think the faux romantic notion that anti fascism folks are fighting the good fight is as heinous as a proud American standing beside some neo Nazi scumbag and tolerating said scumbags presence.
    My updated take on this is that the extreme elements will continue to push things to assure the logical outcome. Hopefully the person who perhaps now inevitably dies is not an innocent.

  42. I’m surprised he is voicing it based on what his truth telling has brought on him in the past.

    What does he have to lose? I’m split on Dennis. While I find him a bit fringe I also sense he’s alone in trying to communicate the truth.

    Too many in DC not interested in truth telling.

    I kinda liked him when he ran for POTUS but I tend to be drawn to marginalized candidates. Marginalization pisses me off. 😡😡😡

  43. I think you’re overthinking this. The departure from tradition backed by the “I’m under audit” nonsense makes it look like he’s hiding something.

    Jebus. R, he paid more in taxes in 2006 than most people pay in their LIFETIME.

    Seriously…I don’t give a shit WHO you are, or how much you make. NO ONE should have to pay in excess of 20 MILLION DOLLARS in a single year.

    Oh, and with regard to his golf, my objection with Lord Zero doing it was his emphasis on it when according to his daily schedule, he didn’t seem too preoccupied with doing much else, aside from campaigning, vacationing, and taking meetings with Al Sharpton. All after making whatever promises he made that week, coupled with his ubiquitous vow “I will not rest until…[my tee time comes up this weekend, you miserable peasants]”

    Trump, to his credit, at least seems to actually be doing some work during the week.

    Maybe that’s why he’s got more than a speech, a useless Nobel Peas Prize, and hope and change on his resume.

    Huh.

  44. BiC your anti-Obama analyses really border on mental illness.

    Both men (Obama and Trump) were and are working their ass off. Discussing policy differences? Yeah I get that. Claiming you have ANY insight into how many hours and how much effort any Potus puts in shows you’re not interested in a serious discussion.

    To be more blunt, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

    P.S. The only possibly relevant issue is how much of OUR money did each man spend on vacation and that assumes they get a vacation which they don’t in any normal sense of the word.

  45. To be more blunt, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

    Their daily calendars are published.

    You could always, mmmm, I don’t know…actualy compare the averages for each.

    BiC your anti-Obama analyses really border on mental illness.

    Says the self-appointed expert on Presidential “fitness”.

    The same one who thinks Obama had it in spades.

    Whatever, Sparky.

    You really ought to think about giving that chicken a break.

  46. What does he have to lose?

    What does anyone have to lose by exposing government and intel lies in a public way? How many reporters and politicians are still doing that? Many truth tellers have paid with their lives. It’s not profitable to call out the regime, unless you’re acting on their direction. They do have plenty scoundrels on payroll.

  47. Their daily calendars are published.

    Mmm speaking of what gets published I assume you’ve heard by now the WH visitors logs will not be published. I doubt his calendar gets published either since reporters complain they can’t keep up with him.

  48. Damn, Huck sorry to hear that. My wife’s brother has a dog that needs to be put down – going blind, violently senile, incontinent – but his wife won’t let him.

  49. I can sympathize, Rutherford. I don’t think he or Ron Paul were taken seriously, though they stood for the constitution more than most. The media has a lot to do with how we consider these people. They are the force that has shaped this modern culture in America. Like Nixon said, “The American people don’t believe anything’s real until they see it on television,”

  50. So, to listen to Brian Williams tonight, we are on the brink of war with NK. Is it just ratings bullshit? The NK dude at the UN did talk some pretty troubling smack today.

    I can’t read the Donald on this. I don’t know if he’s leaning toward preemptive military action.

  51. Speaking of the military, I was listening to Mattis on the radio the other day and he seems to have a slight speech impediment. I’m surprised that didn’t deter his ability to rise through the ranks. Seems to me cotton mouth undermines a sense of authority. Then again there was that British king who overcame a stutter.

  52. Many people overcompensate for their weaknesses. It could have made him mean if he had to put up with ridicule.

    Brian Williams is a proven liar. How can you ever trust what he says? Neocons are pushing the wars. They have been the aggressors.

    Between global capitalism and war mongering/profiteering, I’m surprised we haven’t officially been nuked. Add in Murphy’s law and I say we’re riding on borrowed time.

  53. “The only difference is there is no precedent for releasing ones BC or college records while there is one for tax returns.”

    Yeah, there was no precedent for marauding conservatives beating people and destroying property without knowing what the records reveal either.

    Still laughing at Chaz’s stupidity.

  54. there was no precedent for marauding [insert US political entity] beating people and destroying property without knowing what the records reveal either.
    Nope there is plenty

  55. Mmm speaking of what gets published I assume you’ve heard by now the WH visitors logs will not be published.

    I heard and I don’t like it. He works for us, and I have a right to know who is visiting my employee.

    I doubt his calendar gets published either since reporters complain they can’t keep up with him.

    Google is can be your friend. I’m surprised that you haven’t really figured out yet that you cannot trust the Presstitute Corpse.

  56. And to repeat, BiC, you haven’t the foggiest idea what a president’s day really consists of. None of us do.

    Depends on the President.

    I don’t know what Obama was doing when Chris Stevens was calling for help, but we know where he wasn’t. But we shouldn’t be angry. He had a hard day following, fund raising in Vegas with Jay-Z and Beyonce.

  57. “Nope there is plenty.”

    Please elaborate. I don’t recall the protests and violence over Obama’s transcripts and BC. Obviously I missed it.

  58. “I don’t know what Obama was doing when Chris Stevens was calling for help, but we know where he wasn’t. But we shouldn’t be angry. He had a hard day following, fund raising in Vegas with Jay-Z and Beyonce.”

    Uhhhh. . . what difference at this point does it make? We can always send James Taylor.

  59. I didn’t read the “marauding” comment to be isolated to hating on Obama. I was thinking more along historical lines such as Malheur National Wildlife Refuge,Bundy ranch,Berkeley,G7 and WTO and a truckload of incidents back to the Boston Tea Party.
    Citizens inciting violence and destroying property is as American as apple pie.

  60. Leave it to Tigre to jump on BiC’s silly train.

    I think everyone in the bar should be “President for a day” and I’ll go a step further and say – on a good day. I guaran-fuckin-tee most of us would want to blow our brains out by sunset.

    I’m not throwing a pity party for any particular POTUS. No one forced them to run for the job. That said, anyone here thinking they’re in a position to judge the time management of the Leader of the Free World is simply being sophomoric.

  61. So, on the news yesterday they said police will want to understand what drove “the Facebook killer” to do the deed. I laughed and said to my wife “what are they talking about? This guy is a dead man. They will either kill him or he will kill himself.”

    I rest my case.

  62. Btw it’s official I’m a political activist 😁 I’m suiting up for battle 1) local ordinance concerning pot shop 2) pursuing the repeal of MA participation in the National Popular Vote Compact and 3) trying to get people engaged in Rank Choice Voting.
    Found Nation Builder and they’re a incredible resiurce who have a lot of resources.

  63. The marauding comment was in reference to college transcripts and tax returns, only one of which lead to marauding in my backyard.

  64. I shall never “jump on” BiC comment disparaging of Rutherford’s lord and saviour. It is hate speech and now I feel dirty.

    Fuck you BiC!!!! You could never know, and at this point it does make a difference!!!!

  65. I think it’s interesting that two of the more objective denizens here (Alfie and Huck) are both involved in some degree of politics at the local level. The loudmouth partisans (including moi) are all side-liners and fanboys. 😀

  66. All eyes on Tigre’s state as Ossof attempts to turn a House seat from red to blue.

    I’m guessing this district runs candidates the way Alfie likes. A bunch at a time with a runoff of the top 2 if no one gets 50%.

  67. That video encapsulates every fucking red-blooded American married couple’s relationship.

    Actually you do have a point. Lots of women have to devote time to making sure their husbands don’t act like idiots.

  68. Rutherford,no the GA6 special election is not an example of RCV. In a couple of ways this special is a good example of why RCV is a good idea. ME is the only state that has RCV as per 2016 ballot initiative. There is a number of local entities that use it most commonly cited are Cambridge MA & Minneapolis MN.
    I support RCV but not necessarily “at large” elections and I’m a proponent of parties putting forth candidates.

  69. I know CA uses “top 2” which is how Kamela Harris won and how it is unlikely a (R) will win federal elections ever again.
    Real quick for you RCV can be used in at large elections but work well in typical elections.
    To use 2016 presidential election as an example you could’ve had a ballot with four candidates. Clinton,Johnson,Stein and Trump. You vote by ranking your choices 1-4. If someone had 50+ they win. Otherwise you find the one with the least #1 votes and take that candidates #2s and retabulate etc until someone is 50+. The case to be made is the voter votes their desire without worrying about spoilers and the ultimate winner is the one with the widest spectrum of voters who would support them. Because of the instant retabs you don’t have ties or have to host runoffs.

  70. Just saying btw Maddow is maddening. I watched her loose her shit for five minutes over the USS CARL VINSON story. The Vinson will end up in range of NK with at least two Burke class destroyers and likely a Seawolf or Los Angeles class SSN shadow. The Administration isn’t lying or losing track of strike groups for crying out loud.

  71. Is that the ship that supposedly went in the “wrong direction”?

    As an aside to Tex, I hadn’t heard the black nationalist angle on the Facebook killer. I thought he was just crazy.

  72. Trump is working. Y’all just forgot what a work ethic looks like.

    Whats wrong with Trump doing business at Mar-a-Lago on the weekends?

    I once asked a guy who was fast tracking from an entry level accounting position to the top of the sales force at a major US company to reveal the secret to his success. “Golfing.”

  73. Let’s all gossip.

    “When are you coming home, daddy?”

    The former celebrity president seems to be showing off what a devoted parent he is by doing it from far off exotic lands on a three month vacation away from his teenage daughters.

    Two weeks without the kids is one thing. Three months away from your teenage daughter demonstrates a remarkable lack of interest in family.

  74. Unlikely Trump’s work ethic suddenly changed after the election.

    As I recall, Obama described himself as having a tendency to be lazy.

  75. Whats wrong with Trump doing business at Mar-a-Lago on the weekends?
    What’s wrong with slumming it @ Camp David?
    For me the problem is:
    1. Perception. I don’t think Trump is doing anyone including himself any favors conducting state business on his private property. I concede it is far from unprecedented. For a guy who everyone is trying to pin some ethics tails on he isn’t making it hard.
    2. Tax $$$$$ Not for nothing but how much SS,local police and presidential infrastructure does John Q Public seriously have to pony up for a rich guy who is intentionally abusing the privilege? I mean I hope nobody here believes the meter runs only when he’s there.

  76. I think it’s interesting that two of the more objective denizens here (Alfie and Huck) are both involved in some degree of politics at the local level.

    This isn’t the smartest thing I’ve ever done in my life. I find it kind of wild how people treat stepping up on an issue like a stock of garden tools. Seriously I was talking to someone about the NPV thing and all of a sudden they hit me with “well how about supporting my thing”. I swear its a fucking trap to keep anything from getting done.

  77. An objective look –

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/factcheck/ct-trump-mar-a-lago-obama-travels-20170419-story.html

    “What’s wrong with slumming it @ Camp David?”

    1) Maybe it’s the winter.
    2) Maybe he will.

    Or just maybe he wants to minimize the opportunities for spying by the Obama holdouts.

    “1. Perception

    Yours or mine? What Trump actually does makes little difference whatsoever to the mob. But my own perception of the situation is that Trump is working weekends. Personally I’d rather have him working weekends in FLA right now than not working closer to home.

    For a while.

    ”2. Tax $$$$$”

    We paid for Obama to campaign for eight years, to work exclusively for the Democrat party, to stack the courts and fill out his voting blocs, to sic his IRS schutzhunds and his CIA reconnoiters on citizens, to divide us always further apart, to stir up racial disharmony and sow a variety of discord, and to hobnob with celebrities.

    Trump is working. Unless you know something I don’t know.

  78. You underestimate the impact I have in my position.

    Well, admittedly I’m operating from limited information. I based my comment on Huck and Alfie’s history of comments.

    If you’d care to elaborate I’m all ears.

  79. Seriously I was talking to someone about the NPV thing and all of a sudden they hit me with “well how about supporting my thing”.

    For some folks it’s always about closing the sale.

  80. There is only one thing about Mar-a-Lago that troubles me and that’s assuming the press is not lying about it: Trump does not dine in a private dining room. Much has been made of his conducting business in the resort dining room surrounded by any stranger wealthy enough to afford the membership fee (which was raised when he got elected).

  81. Not a good time to be a Bill.

    First Bill Cosby, now Bill O’Reilly.

    I know this ain’t PC but when a bunch of women all pile on simultaneously with accusations, I smell a rat.

  82. If you’d care to elaborate I’m all ears.

    Much to surprise, especially my own, I am considered a “community leader” in the town where I work. I’m on a first name basis with the movers and shakers in the business community and the city council, and I sit on the board of the downtown association.

    My advice and counsel is requested, and given often.

  83. So I’m watching MSNBC’s The 11th Hour with Brian Williams and the “armada” not being where Trump said it was is getting a second day of coverage.

    Incompetence? Nothingburger?

  84. “Incompetence? Nothingburger?”

    The incompetence is in the failure to comprehend the words “I’m not going to telegraph my military decisions like the last administration did.”

  85. “The incompetence is in the failure to comprehend the words “I’m not going to telegraph my military decisions like the last administration did.””

    LOL. That was my very first thought when I read R’s comment.

    Going waaaaaay out on a limb here. Guessing MSNBC calls this erratic, disturbing and dangerous or some such other bullshit??????

  86. Apparently, MSNBC and Rutherford believe an “armada” travels at the speed of sound like a jet airplane.

    The level of ignorance is profound in the world of the Left.

  87. I bet if we went to Guam where three Los Angeles class H/K SSNs are home ported there would be open slips. Bottom line the USN has assets in the area and the Vinson group will get into the neighborhood soon enough. The ironic part is that it’ll probably be the USAF that strikes NK if a strike occurs.

  88. The fact that Rutherford actually thinks he is entitled to the location of the fleet is funny, funny shit.

  89. I’m not going to telegraph my military decisions like the last administration did.

    This is actually a “technique” of Trump’s that I support. Problem, Huck is that your defense might make more sense if Trump had said the ship was headed away when it was actually headed towards. But it was the opposite. Also, if that is really his credo then why did he comment in the first place? His answer to any military inquiry from the press should be “no comment”.

  90. Going waaaaaay out on a limb here. Guessing MSNBC calls this erratic, disturbing and dangerous or some such other bullshit??????

    Tigre I finally figured out why you really need to drop the MSNBC shtick. It’s your shorthand for fringe proggie network. Trouble is, MSNBC isn’t on the fringe. Every mainstream media source covers Trump pretty much the same way – an unpredictable, ill informed and yes dangerous president.

    If you want media that sings the praises of the great MAGA job creator you’ll have to stick to Fox and conservative talk radio. I was gonna say Breitbart but I’m pretty sure they’re losing patience with the Trumpster.

    So I suggest you change MSNBC to “the MSM” in your future mockery because if you really think Trump-derangement is limited to MSNBC you’re not paying attention.

  91. I’m sorry, Huck. Our daughter and son in law had a dog for eleven years. She had bladder cancer, and her owners irrationally thought she might survive because she seemed so healthy. They should have but didn’t tell our grand daughter about death.

    They were in tears after the vet killed her, and they told our grand daughter their dog would always live in her heart. She was in Rainbow Heaven where she could play with her siblings. She might even enter Christian heaven.

    Our almost four year old grand daughter was recently tested and found to be very bright. She recognized the reasurance as manure and asked me for the real story. We had some long theological discussions, and on Easter Sunday, she asked the minister “Is Jesus really dead?” “Where is Lilly (the dog)?” She didn’t believe the minister.

  92. I thought Obama spent too much time and our money on trips and I think Trump should also stay home. Ia senator Jonie Ernst has said the same thing.

  93. Unpredictablity works sometimes as long as there is a back up plan. Fewer people are sneaking in the the US from Mexico because they fear what Trump MIGHT do. More people are working, in part for the same reasons.

    The missiles were timed to influence the Chinese, and Trump’s ploy may have worked.

  94. MSNBC and Rutherford believe an “armada” travels at the speed of sound like a jet airplane.

    Seriously I could give two shits. I was just interested in the fact it wasn’t a one day story.

    And what does speed have to do with anything? The story was about DIRECTION not speed.

    I get the impression folks including (surprisingly) Mattis, were talking out of their ass and had to backtrack. It wouldn’t be a story if it didn’t support the meme that Trump really doesn’t know WTF is going on.

  95. “Tigre I finally figured out why you really need to drop the MSNBC shtick. It’s your shorthand for fringe proggie network.”

    It’s shorthand for what you consume in lethal doses and it’s amazingly stupid. Nothing you’ve said changes that. I can’t take anyone seriously that takes MSNBC seriously. Seriously.

    Yes R, CNN, NBC, CBS all suck ass too. I didn’t say I had to watch MAGA stroking, and if you paid attention around here you’d see nobody really does. You? You consider Chaz and Chrissy intelligent dialogue. After all of the stupidity, you still find them credible and place your faith in them. It’s just sad.

  96. The ironic part is that it’ll probably be the USAF that strikes NK if a strike occurs.

    This raises a question for a military neophyte. Is an aircraft carrier considered part of the Air Force or the Navy?

  97. The fact that Rutherford actually thinks he is entitled to the location of the fleet is funny, funny shit.

    I don’t think any such thing. I think we talk openly about military strategy way too much.

    So let Trump follow his professed approach and STFU instead of bragging about where his ships are.

    🐰 you voted for a clown.

  98. Air craft carriers are part of the Navy. Planes Naval pilots fly are reinforced to stand landing on air craft carriers.

  99. Trump may be a clown, but he is smart.

    He said after talking to the Chinese he had changed his mind about some of the issues he discussed during the campaign. He also said we need China as an ally to stop North Korea. This would be a bad time to start a trade war.

    China is motivated to prevent a war because we owe them so much money. The also fear a flood of refugees should a war start. The North Koreans are bat guano crazy, as we all know.

    Trump has also birthed the possibility that China and the US might improve relations to let us work together as a counter balance to Russia.

  100. but he is smart.
    He said after talking to the Chinese he had changed his mind about some of the issues he discussed during the campaign.

    Noooo, that proves he’s a clown. After ten minutes talking to Xi he learned what most FP experts knew all along. Suddenly China is magically not a currency manipulator.

    Trump was talking out of his ass on the campaign trail and he’s doing so now.

    What Trump says means absolutely nothing. We need to pay attention to Mattis and McMaster. On the domestic front I don’t know who we can rely on.

  101. “Is an aircraft carrier considered part of the Air Force or the Navy?”

    God, you are a fucking moron.

  102. @ Rutherford aircraft carriers are typically considered the pride of the US Navy.
    My comment about the USAF is based on a couple of things I’ve read over the years about what is tossed around as one of the more likely strike options. The recent MOAB drop is technically not the most powerful conventional bomb in the US arsenal. There is a bomb that can get itself up to 200 ft underground through reinforced structures and then explode. The B2 Spirit which is the boomerang looking stealth bomber can carry two of these things. It is thought that these things would be the first strike against NK.

  103. China IS an economy manipulator. Let’s be very clear on that. Although they rely on trade and prefer calm over chaos for deep personal rea$on$ they are deep into artificially supporting,reporting and all round manipulating their economy.

  104. In a matter of 35 minutes, Rutherford went from not knowing whether an aircraft carrier is air force or navy to telling us what every expert on foreign policy knows about China. 😀

  105. Trump is a business man. He was blowing smoke most of the time, and even he probably didn’t know what he would say or write next. He is still learning the job.

    I thought his ability to change his mind with new information was positive. Hearing something directly from the Chinese may have carried more weight given his checkered relationship with our intellegence people.

    Trump’s saying this is not the time to start a trade war given the danger North Korea poses and China’s potential for helping defuse the potential war displays rational thought.

    He is thinking like a race car driver. At some parts of the race “friends are where you find them.” They form alliances and help each other. Later, it is every driver for him/herself.
    It could be the same with the trade dispute.

  106. Suddenly China is magically not a currency manipulator.

    WTF? Are you out of your mind, dimwit? Even the magic manipulator and hedge fund cheat who escaped prison because of a ‘D’ behind his name and a corrupt President named Obama, Jon Corzine, has been saying China manipulates currency for years. Anyone and everyone on Wall Street knows China manipulates currency. Has for 50 years.

    Where do your information? Chinese fortune cookies?

  107. Trump is a front for the kosher mob that helps run things.
    Rutherford is proof staring at noisy colorful screens makes you dumber over time.
    But you’d think the military information would be concrete in the American mind. It has been drilled into us since birth. Maybe it’s because my dad served on the uss boxer before he decided he preferred ground under him and enlisted in the army.

    There was a time I wanted to be a navy man. I always liked the water aspect of it. There was also bell bottoms and the thoughts of sex with exotic women in foreign ports. Hollywood made it all seem sexy.

    With all the subcontractors involved in military matters today, enlisted are the lowest of the low.

  108. God, you are a fucking moron.

    Fuck you. I can’t ask a goddam question? Don’t forget, the military didn’t save me from living out of my car. I don’t know shit about it and I said so.

    Fuck you.

  109. Rutherford went from not knowing whether an aircraft carrier is air force or navy to telling us what every expert on foreign policy knows about China. 😀

    But I didn’t call myself an expert did I?

  110. James, I think it’s fair that the positive spin on Trump is that, not being an ideologue, he’s open to new information.

    Still I find it troubling he learns his lessons from Xi and not from his advisors.

    In fact to be charitable, whoever is advising Trump on FP should be fired if they allow him to meet with foreign leaders unprepared.

    The number 1 job of Trump’s advisors should be to protect him from his own ignorance.

  111. WTF? Are you out of your mind, dimwit?

    ] didn’t make myself clear. Magically, TRUMP DECLARED that China is not a currency manipulator after a full pres campaign saying otherwise.

  112. You’ve probably never been to a rodeo either. Isn’t that right, Rutherford?
    Do you know what a rodeo clown is and what his job is?

  113. He distracts the bull to keeps it from killing the cowboy. He can taunt it. A good one puts on a really good show while directing the bull out of the arena. It can be dangerous for the clown but very entertaining for the crowd.

  114. I agree with you Rutherford. He should have been given sufficient information. Maybe he was and didn’t trust the messengers. I don’t know. I do know Obama holdovers and others have tried to sabetage the administration through leaks.

    He may also have an Obama like version of his own wisdom.

    Whatever the truth, Trump can be flexible with new information. He appears to be adjusting his strategy and waiting to deal with Chinese financial tampering until after the North Korean threat is stopped.

    I have attended many rodeos. The clown is one of the most important characters. This rodeo clown is entertaining, but we are all in danger. Given the state of modern warfare we are all in the arena with him.

  115. Poolman, I wanted no part of the military and did what I could to stay away. I enlisted in the Air Force after I was drafted. I remained a civilian while both services fought over me. The Air Force got me because I had spoken to a recruiter before my greetings letter arrived.

    Enlisted types were the lowest of the low when I served. I was a sharp troop and made Ssgt in under four years. Suddenly, I deserved respect because I was a true NCO, but I was the same person as before.

  116. Dad was a good soldier and made it to CWO. I was one of those fortunate ones that missed the draft because it was discontinued before I reached eligible age. I didn’t even need to register. Nowadays the economy keeps people enlisting as many are finding no other employment options. Plenty of kids are signing up and really have little idea of what they are in for. We tell them we are proud of them, but mostly say so out of tradition and habit. Unless veterans suddenly are respected and cared for, those words are quite empty and meaningless.

  117. Remember when Trump met with Sisi and we were supposed to be all outraged about it?

    That meeting led to an American being released from an Egyptian prison after being held for 3 years.

    I defy anyone to call that anything but a win (if it even gets reported, that is).

  118. I’ll see you and raise you that the BBC reported it all was underway prior to Trumps meeting with Sisi. They didn’t seem to imply there was any reason to give O credit though which was refreshing in its own way.

  119. Two Tex vids:

    1) voicemail was hilarious

    2) yes, much of the SJW vid was cringeworthy but I don’t think it’s funny at all. Those folks aren’t actors. They were legitimately devastated. And I will tell you, while I didn’t shed a tear, I was disoriented to say the least. I watched the results from a hospital emergency room where my wife was having a bad reaction to an antibiotic. The locale and the result combined to create this almost surreal effect.

    No one thought he would win. Most of you didn’t. And for those who hated the man, it was an absolutely devastating moment. Reality turned upside down.

    Interesting side note: 11 years ago this March I went unconscious in a CT emergency room, only to awake the next day with a tracheotomy on a ventilator. The last thing I saw before I lost consciousness was on the TV. It was … The Apprentice. I shit you not.

  120. I don’t care if they are mentally ill or not. Some may be, but it doesn’t matter. What matters is what they want to do to this country and what they think of us in flyover land and in other conservative places.

    That contributor to Huffington wrote that the people who put Trump and Republicans into office deserve to die first in the event of a nuclear war. Why should people in a wonderful city like San Francisco die for a hole in Nebraska?

    Some of the losers cried and suffered over the unexpected loss, and I don’t feel any pity for them. I celebrate their suffering and hope they cry themselves to sleep for the next several years.

  121. A writer claims that the essential source of our current political battle is conflict between rural and urban values. It has been simmering for a few generations.

    A Time magazine critic wrote that while good, this song was a salvo from a section of the country which felt disposed. He found its message highly disturbing.

  122. This Finish-Lap band expresses the same emotions as Hank Williams and they also imply violence. They have a big following.

  123. You should try teaching them. I’m just not sure I can do it anymore.

    Huck that comment deserves some unpacking. You’re correlating political POV with ability to learn. I’d like to hear more.

  124. No, he is saying nothing about ability. He’s saying he is sick of dealing with the bigoted, safe space needing, asshole left.

  125. Tex one problem is political purity. There’s a guy running for Mayor, I think Omaha but I may be wrong. Solid lib. But leftist purists are rejecting the guy because he once voted for a bill requiring abortion clinics to give women THE OPTION of an ultrasound first. The bill did not mandate ultrasound. Just that women be offered the option. Libs like Joan Walsh apparently lost their shit.

    Joe Scarborough correctly points out that if libs don’t stop this extremist shit, they will never again control the gov on a national scale.

  126. Any publication that ends EVERY article about Trump with a “disclaimer” that he is a bigot and misogynist cannot be called a serious publication. That’s all you need to know about HuffPo.

  127. Rabbit that assumes they bring their politics into their writing and math and science classes.

    If I’m teaching you how to write a term paper, what do I care that you need a “safe space”? UNLESS that attitude is influencing how you intake instruction.

  128. ….just how fucking depraved does one have to be that simply offering a pregnant mother the mere option to take a fleeting look at the baby in the womb before an abortion causes outrage. Evil left. Evil.

  129. Try not to insult my wife Rabbit but she says that the concern is that the OPTION to view an ultrasound can become coercive in the wrong practitioners hands.

    For what it’s worth, I agree with you on this (minus all the “evil” stuff). If ANYTHING deserves to be an INFORMED decision it should be abortion.

  130. “If I’m teaching you how to write a term paper, what do I care that you need a “safe space”?”

    He’s not teaching them how to simply write a paper.

    He is teaching the class ideas, philosophies and how to logically deconstruct/construct said ideas and show how these ideas/philosophies clashed and morphed over time all the while creating a true “safe space” where these diverse ideas and philosophies can be bounced off the various students who in theory come from a wide range of backgrounds. He’s trying to teach what happened in the past without bias. He’s trying to have fruitful conversations about what exactly should be covered in the past and what causes bias. He supoised to be giving all the angles he possibly can.

    The left wants nothing to do with that. They have it alllllllllll figured out and want to shut up everybody else up, ruining their lives or beating them up if need be. Anit-intellectual right? My ass.

  131. “Try not to insult my wife Rabbit but she says that the concern is that the OPTION to view an ultrasound can become coercive in the wrong practitioners hands.”

    Uh….an abortion could be botched in the wrong person’s hands too.

    Your wife doesn’t have the sand to admit simply showing an ultrasound is what she is afraid of becuase reality and truth is just too uncomfortable and might (gasp) tug at the conscious a bit.

    Blocking relevant information directly related to any choice should be a red flag for anybody with an ounce of character.

    Same thing the left attempts to do on campus, if you think about it. Stifle. Stifle. Stifle.

    Lastly…I’m talking to you. Not your wife. Your wife or Muffy or the Virgin Mary or any female does not hold on to a more important morality than I do or you do when it cones to the sanctity of human life and the defenseless unborn.

    Yes…it is the woman you makes the sacrifice and takes on the risk of pregnancy. But that biologically inequality (or honorable gift depending on the woman you talk to you) doesn’t make you or I a second class person in this debate.

    So quit running to your wife for insight, a person who wants to peddle ignorance in the abortion clinic in the first place. She chooses darkness as a strategy.

  132. Rabbit is chillin by the pool.

    The only reason I asked you not to insult my wife is that when you get emotional your mouth goes off the reservation and I was in no mood to hear my wife called a bunch of names.

    You are right. Having a dick does not exempt us from having an opinion. And I also agree that not giving a woman access to an ultrasound is equally coercive.

  133. “You’re correlating political POV with ability to learn. I’d like to hear more.”

    No I’m not. I’m correlating it with willingness to learn.

  134. I have mentioned my first experience in grad school. A man learned I was a veteran and warned me, “You don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you.” That was a prophetic statement presaging the accedemic world we see now. I got rid of them at my own chosen time. Farming has been good to me.

    Farming and the abortion industry are businesses which live on profit. My business feeds people while abortionists kill them. Both need money to survive. It is in abortion companies’
    financial interest to convince their customers in any way possible to use their services. They don’t care about the mothers’ or babies’ lives as long as they pay the bills.

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