Update from Battle Creek

So, I don’t travel much anymore but I happen to be in Battle Creek, Michigan this weekend. While I slept in, my wife did some accidental field research. This is the verdict from one local business owner. 

School choice: major fail. 

Battle Creek has school choice and it is not going well. Students who can afford to, flock to the better schools in the area leaving the other schools to kids with fewer … ahem … choices. So I gave a typical conservative argument to my wife. “Take a capitalist approach. If a school wants to keep its students, it needs to up its game. The market decides which schools succeed.” Only one problem. Gov funding is based on attendance. Schools with more students get more funding. Those with less get less and fall further behind. A vicious cycle. 

Cereal ain’t selling. 

Kellogg will probably be laying off folks in the near future. The cereal industry is not what it was decades ago when this town was thriving. A local businesswoman said the city’s major mall is full of closed stores. The city now survives on conventions and events – which is why I’m here, a gymnastics event with my wife and daughter. 

So, Donald Trump. Looks like Battle Creek is among the many cities who need your business savvy to revitalize. They’re waiting. What ya gonna do? 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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418 thoughts on “Update from Battle Creek

  1. Dude….Battlecreek sux. But you have to admit that they know how to put on a solid gymnastic/wrestling event. Our big state tournament got moved to vile Sparty land (Lansing) and it sucked.

  2. The all-collapsing american dream scene. Trump ain’t gonna revive it. Not his gig. He is leading us down a path of deconstruction. The devolution continues…

  3. School choice can only truly strive where the government monopoly schools decide to compete. School choice as we’re seeing it now isn’t true choice. Something needs to break the log jam that is 20th Century thinking regarding public ed.

  4. Read an interesting article about France and its economy as relates to how select locales flourish while crushing their middle and liwer classes and how the rest of the country struggles in near futile fashion. Every place in that article that says “France” can easily be replaced with USA.

  5. School choice can only truly strive where the government monopoly schools decide to compete.

    I don’t see how this is a “decision”. If the school is taxpayer and gov funded it does not have the ability to compete. Each public school district is limited by its demographics and “school choice” only seems to worsen it by freeing the demographic exceptions to seek public education elsewhere.

  6. Get rid of tenure. Get rid of pay scale steps. Merit-based pay and merit-based employment. If you suck, you’re fired. If you only partially suck, no pay raise.

    In ANY other industry these are facts of life.

  7. To expand on the discussion in the previous thread…

    DR may be under the impression I teach History, as was always my plan. But I don’t. Without going into detail, Rutherford is on the right track as far as the course content. The course does include lessons on basic research methods and objectivity. Those largely go wasted.

    My frustration comes from their laziness. Laziness and lack of effort that spawns from entitlement. They don’t work to get where they are. They have no skin in the game. They are more concerned with finding ways to game my system then they are in doing the work–which isn’t hard work. Of course, I am generalizing. I have many great students who are a joy to teach. The others ruin the experience.

    I had an idiot earlier this year who was repeating my class. Final papers were due after the election. He did his paper on why the Electorate Collage is an outdated system, which included evidence like George Washington stealing the 2000 election. No–those are not my typos. This came from a university senior.

    I had another who declared “I refuse to write 2 term papers in the same quarter.” Those were her exact words. Luckily for her, mine was the 1 she wrote. I don’t care about her other class.

    I was excited about teaching at the university level because I thought I’d be teaching people who were there because they want to learn, not because they have to be there. And don’t even get me started on fellow faculty and administrators.

    At this point I’m not even sure I am going to pursue a teaching job when I move to Idaho. It took me 11 years to get into teaching and 3 years to ruin it. It kinda bums me out.

  8. Day after day, alone on the hill
    The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
    But nobody wants to know him
    They can see that he’s just a fool
    And he never gives an answer

    But the fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

    Well on the way, head in a cloud
    The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
    But nobody ever hears him
    Or the sound he appears to make
    And he never seems to notice

    But the fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

    And nobody seems to like him
    They can tell what he wants to do
    And he never shows his feelings

    But the fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

    He never listens to them
    He knows that they’re the fools
    They don’t like him

    The fool on the hill
    Sees the sun going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See the world spinning around

  9. I don’t disagree with Hucks points and I’m not nearly as well versed on MI school funding as I am MA.
    That said We need to change the way we think about school funding away from the false “per pupil” model & move to a purer tuition funding model where the $$$$ follows the student as opposed to sitting in a building.
    In the classic public school model this would require accepting that any given child in any zip code can choose where to go to school and a set amount of money should follow that student from the “sending” district. Districts need to budget based on students at “X” dollars no matter where resident students go to school. Schools would need to budget the building seperate from the actual education spending and lastly they would need to universally accept and view school buildings not as schools but as public buildings. That last bit is a reality that is ignored too often in the budget process. All too often you get school systems that view school buildings as 9 month entities even though they are used year round with a number of functions occurring within the properties such as Scouts,sports,voting,meetings etc.

  10. @ Huck my totally friendly advice would be for you to land in Idaho with an open mind and heart and just let whatever is going to happen….happen.

  11. At this point I’m not even sure I am going to pursue a teaching job when I move to Idaho. It took me 11 years to get into teaching and 3 years to ruin it. It kinda bums me out.

    If misery loves company, you’ve got it. Took me five years and quitting a six figure job to get into med school.

    Took me about two weeks one time, one semester the next to distinguish my mother was right.

    “Tex, you’re not going to like being with high strung, 22 year old, overachieving and smug kids looking down their nose at you. It will grate on you. Oh, don’t worry, Mommie Dearest. I can get along with anybody if I set my mind to it.”

    Throw in asshole pHDs who treated me like I was 16 years old, it was too much.

    My mother was the only one who called it right; my internal medicine doc along with my mother telling me I was wasting my time and the practice of medicine was not what it used to be.

    I’m so far off the grid now after 14 years this June 25th, I doubt 50 people know I’m alive. 😆 And to be honest, that’s not so bad.

  12. I still haven’t finished the City Journal article (damn they write some long-ass articles) but I think I’m detecting two takes on current economics, one in denial, one realistic.

    The article cites globalization as a major damaging factor, with which I agree. Then you get folks like Ron Insanna of CNBC who say automation is the culprit. While I agree that automation is eliminating jobs, I think anyone who ignores globalization is a big business appeaser more interested in the bottom line than hiring Americans.

  13. I agree that globalization in its present form eliminates American jobs, but it also helps agriculture. We still need a change.

  14. There is some truth to automation removing service jobs, but that liability still pales in comparison to American companies, large and small, are also the most regulated, overtaxed corporations in history short of a government running the industry. Continue to add expenses to the bottom line of corporations, and I can make a good case that the poor are the most hurt, as it eliminates both jobs and passes taxes on to consumers.

    As to globalization? I truly don’t have enough information one way or the other to say pro or con. There are legitimate arguments for both.

  15. The meet is over. Last one of the season. The venue, Kellogg Arena was pretty good but not for disabled spectators. We were clearly an afterthought. The best venue get was the state meet in Normal, IL.

  16. Rutherford I don’t want to bias your reading but I’m gonna be crazy busy this week.
    Another take away especially if you adopt a more critical take on your progressive credentials is that the “knowledge economy” types have a great impact on localities secondary to their hypocritical embrace of capitalism and market economy.
    That might sound weird coming from a guy to the right of you but it is an area that alleged enlightened ones should start facing. Bottom line can any nation afford to have its urban cores become great hives of business activity that shuttles in the serfs to service them?
    Theres a lot more to it and its an area I’ve been studying for a while now. I am glad others found the article interesting.

  17. Sweet irony to a community called Normal being ADA awesome.

    LOL that’s hilarious. Never thought of that. I’d probably say the Normal venue was Rutherford awesome. I can see some disabled might have resented the nosebleed seating but I loved it. Best view of a meet I ever had.

  18. Congratulations to your daughter, Rutherford.

    I quoted a writer maintaining that our current discord is at its core, a rural-urban battle. As we know, Brexit was supported by mainly rural people. Trump also enjoyed support from such voters, and now Le Pen has too.

    Three friends and a dog died in the past month. The last one died a few minutes ago of ALS. She was diagnosed last May, and she declined quickly.

  19. Tex your daughters probably caught it at school as well but my kid was actually issued an extensive memo on it. Fortunately he was not required to take a “class” on the subject.
    One of the worse parts of this farce is that a majority of the students including the cornucopia of alternative designations don’t get excited about it. It really comes down to a super minority hyper vocal sect of assholes overestimating and unfortunately being rewarded for their overblown self importance,worth etc.

  20. Alfie, my children were pretty sheltered at their private schools including attending Mass, so they were never introduced to the idiocy. My oldest went on to become quite the math/science scholar the old fashioned way – repetition and homework. She had some great teachers along the way and a mother and father that had taught her all they knew by the time she had hit high school.

    My youngest got screwed up at TU, where she was introduced to the idiocy of Sociology and Women’s Studies – mandatory in her field.

    Fortunately, she was bright enough to apparently recognize that women’s lib crap was just that. Crap.

    But it took at least a few years to wash this garbage out of her system. She is still pissed at me and her sister for shutting her down in conversation, before storming off.

    Rutherford will get a chuckle and probably rag me mercilessly for this. But in about six weeks, I will be attending my first “gay wedding.” I told me wife at first, NO. I will not lend credence to that rot. But I love my wife, like my brother and sister-in-law, and will attend at some expense to keep the peace at my my better half’s request with locked lips.

    My brother-in-law, more Conservative than I am, would tell you now he would happily forgo those 15 years of living in Boulder with a high paying job. They’ve since moved back to Oklahoma. I told him as parent, there is only so much influence you have in today’s environment.

    Living in Boulder screwed both of his kids up. It is likely that this nice couple will never have grandchildren, and that breaks their heart as all the rest of the siblings are now grandparents.

  21. Tex, my son’s first attendance at a wedding (civil union) when he was about a year old was a lesbian wedding in Vermont. Obviously family members. They had been together decades. Frankly, I had no real problem with it. Not that you shouldn’t either, but I think I’ve reached the point of not feeling that it is a real threat to traditional marriage although I fully understand arguments to the contrary. I’ve only got a few fucks left and I am saving them for these shithead dems and their easily manipulated SJW thugs.

  22. I will say that I have met a large number of people that, like Huck and your brother-in-law, that have left the liberal enclaves with disgust at what it embodies and produces. I deal with it too. I am just more optimistic that the stupidity and insanity of it is reaching its nadir. I believe the effects of the indulgence that ultimately spawned these fuckers is becoming undeniable, intolerable and increasingly rejected.

  23. I’m confused. Was that Bill Nye?

    Tex if you don’t like the science of transsexualism take it up with the mental health profession. It ain’t just crazy libs giving lip service to it. The medical community is too.

  24. if you don’t like the science of transsexualism

    Another fail. The only science involved here is psychology, and that isn’t considered ‘real science’ rather a subject area that can be studied scientifically or not. I’m sure the medical community profits from the ‘science of transexualism’ and won’t help us out here. They don’t come up with anything on their own anyway. Peer review means peer pressure censorship. Science in general has been a fail for our entire generation.

    Science was all about discovery and proof back in the day. Today it’s like some magic seal of unquestioning approval. I have personally proved several of today’s settled science theories are completely false. They gave us the faked moon landing and the unproved spinning globe and the totally magic yet unproven properties of gravity.

    There is no difference between science and organized religion. None.

  25. Who in the medical community is taking up the sex spectrum, Rutherford? I want to know so I can laugh and point fingers at them.

    You know the problem with the Left anymore, besides they are feckless, stupid and failed?

    They don’t even have the sense to feel shame. Bill Nye has gone from a Mr. Rogers to a Chaz Bono.

    And these are the people you believe demonstrates the zenith of intellect?

  26. Tex, if you haven’t already, you oughtta get a load of Chaz Maddow trying to blame rioting in the liberal paradise of Venezuela on a donation made by Citgo to Trump’s inauguration. Got that? Maddow actually tried to blame unrest on the shithole in Venezuela. . . on Trump.

    This is the shit Rutherford tunes-in to to make sense of the world.

  27. Not much comfort, Rutherford. When you reach a certain age, your friends wither and die in sometimes awful ways until it is your turn.

    Its egotistic, but what ever comfort I find today is in my grand daughter. We poured everything we had into her and proved the doctors wrong. A test showed she is smart and has an unusual vocabulary and sense of humor for some one her age. An aquaintance compared her personality to mine.

  28. Ha. The science of transexualism. Sure.

    Rabbit there’s science behind being crazy. No matter how you cut it, there’s a rational explanation for transsexualism, either biological or psychological.

  29. The Washington Post survey which showed Trump might now win the popular vote also tells us the majority thinks Democrats don’t share their interests. Liberals may still have the media, but they are losing us normal people.

  30. There are biological and psychological causes of transexualism and related conditions, but we are now looking at a fad. In some places, social expectations encourage such deviancy.

    Look up David Brener, the boy who was raised as a girl after a botched circumcision. Psychologists reasoned that a toddler’s mind was a blank slate which could be altered at will.

    This same failed experiment is being imposed on a larger scale.

  31. “No matter how you cut it, there’s a rational explanation for transsexualism, either biological or psychological.”

    And a rational explanation for rejecting the normalizing of it. Science!

  32. Since I am intimately aware of CITGO, being I worked for CITGO while CITGO was purchased by PDVSA and worked with PDVSA for eight years, the state owned oil company of Venezuela, I cannot tell you how utterly distorted the content and history of what Rachel Maddow just said in that 2 minute blurb.

    This was so blatantly dishonest, I don’t even know where to start. This would be like saying anybody that works for Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell and BP are excluded from the Democratic process and cannot donate or vote, even though they are American citizens because the corporation registered as an international conglomerate.

    The headquarters of CITGO Petroleum is Houston, TX. Anybody ever visited a CITGO gas station?

    Did Rachel Maddow fall asleep at the wheel while a guy named Barack Obama was President for 8 years? Did Rachel Maddow forget that on the steps of the UN building, President George Bush was followed by a guy named Hugo Chavez, who claimed the building smelling of sulfur after George Bush spoke, as if somehow the Repubican Establishment in cahoots with Chavez and now Maduro?

    Does anybody remember a guy named Hugo Chavez saying the same things of a President named Barack Obama? Does anybody remember the Venezuelans rioting in the streets while George Bush was President? No? I don’t either. The military brutalized the people in Venezuela and has since Hugo Chavez elected President.

    Did I mention Hugo Chavez’s promises were to share resources with the poor and middle class equitably by taking from the elitists, and that in conjunction with a thug military guaranteed him the vote? Does that sound more like Donald Trump, or more like Bernie Sander and Barack Obama?

    There is not a better example currently on earth than Venezuela to demonstrate the ultimate path of what America would eventually look like under a Dimocratic controlled Administration if we were to follow the desires of Feel the Bern.

    That Rachel, is why the American media has practically ignored Venezuela during this catastrophic downfall, you stupid and dishonest bitch. Prog failure on display in all its dysfunction.

  33. I knew about Poolman’s flat earth foolishness but I forgot he thought the moon landing was faked. 🙄🙄

    Is there even a moon, Poolman or is it an illusion?

    You’re the only one I know who can take a decent point about corrupt science and ruin it with insane conspiracies.

  34. “I think the Venezuelan people are so upset by Trump not releasing his tax returns that they finally cracked.” – Chaz Maddow

  35. The Berkeley children have to thoroughly lost that now even Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are telling them to grow the fuck up.

  36. Perhaps the only smart thing Lizzie Warren has ever said. She is still disingenuous as all get out but at least there is a sound bite.
    Bernie is a little better. I hope his horse loses in Omaha though. Can’t tolerate Bernie getting the notion to believe he’s the One.
    Progressives really have no choice but to pin their hopes on two elderly losers….good thing they’re too stupid to realize how stupid that is.

  37. I haven’t watched Maddow in a while. My nightcap now is … gasp … Chris(sie) Hayes.

    I’ve lately considered Maddow partisan to the point of mendacity. But I never thought her stupid until the Al Capone’s vault unveiling of Trump’s taxes. Now it’s very hard to take her seriously.

  38. Alfie I think you’re wrong about Omaha. A dem that does not pass the purity test MUST win. It’s the only way Dems will ever have any control over government down the line.

    Trump proved the pendulum has swung. Folks are tired of hearing lefties bitch about social issues the same way they got tired of the moral majority types doing it.

    People want fucking jobs.

  39. You don’t think Heath Mello passes the proggie purity test? Bernie supporting him and out of utter disconnect Heath is pushing the DeBlasio/Letitia James “don’t ask pay history” line that is completely irrelevant in the context of municipal jobs.

  40. I thought he was weird choice and he is old as dirt but he’s sharp as a tack (when he can hear and understand the heavily accented question) and he absolutely owned the presser today…..Give it up for Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross folks.
    I’m dead serious the little guy was freaking awesome today.
    P.S. Fuck Canada #NAFTA

  41. You’re the only one I know who can take a decent point about corrupt science and ruin it with insane conspiracies.

    The depth of witlessness is extraordinary. 🤙

  42. R, Maddow is dishonest. It’s her viewers that are dumb. If you apply one ounce of critical thinking to what she says you’d throw a brick at your tee vee.

    And Chrissie is rhetorically proximate.

  43. Heath Mello is another example of the Democrats’ desperation. They have spent a lot of money in Omaha, and the Republicans are countering with a visit from Gov Scott Walker of Wisconsin.

    I can’t understand why Mello can win. He supports some of the policies which made the majority of voters turn to Mayor Stoddard.

    The fire fighters union and she are enemies. A pro- choice organization demostrated against Mello.

    This contest is bring a lot of money and attention to Omaha.

  44. You don’t think Heath Mello passes the proggie purity test?

    All I know about Mello is he once supported a woman’s right to see an ultrasound before an abortion and the left went crazy. See Walsh tweet below.

  45. Maddow is dishonest.

    Do I need to look up mendacity? I thought I just said that. But the 1040 “reveal” was not dishonest. It was pure, distilled stupidity.

    And Chrissie is rhetorically proximate.

    Despite your being an idiot, you do know how to make me laugh. I wish you had time to blog. You’ve got a touch of PJ O’Roarke in you. Or Paul Lynde … take your pick. Your blog would be entertaining.

  46. Who in the medical community is taking up the sex spectrum, Rutherford?

    You’d probably know this better than I but I was under the distinct impression that true transsexuals go through extensive psychiatric counseling before reassignment (i.e. counseling by a doctor) and then get their dick cut off by a doctor. So SOMEONE in the medical profession is going along for the ride.

  47. “Do I need to look up mendacity? I thought I just said that. But the 1040 “reveal” was not dishonest. It was pure, distilled stupidity.”

    Agreed.

    But you forgot to contrast from her willing crowd of viewers. If they were smart or informed, it would hurt to watch. 😆

    “Despite your being an idiot. . . ”

    Together with anything that follows, mighty high praise.

  48. Yes, Rutherford, they have a long process to be sure they really need the procedure. They have to live as the opposite sex for at least a year, and shrinks examine their heads regularly. Eventually, they start hormones after the doctor and psychologists consult with each other. During this time, they probably have surgery to change their faces and other features. Sometimes, they talk to the families.

    This change can cost over $30,000 and things can go wrong.

    A Swedish study showed a percentage of these people kill themselves and some reverse the surgery. One problem is that people think the surgery will improve their lives, but they learn they have the same problems they had before.

    Starting young produces more realistic results, but most people in their teens or twenties hardly know themselves or account for changes as they mature.

    As I wrote, some of this has become a fad with the prospect of tragic consequences.

    Most of this came from an abnormal psychology course I took.

    Some may have changed since I took the class.

  49. Mello is a Catholic who is reasonably devout. Under the circumstances, I don’t think he passes the national tests, but Omahaians would make an exception.
    The Omaha World Herald, which Warren buffet owns said it is a shame that the national parties are turning the local election into a national event.

  50. they have a long process to be sure they really need the procedure.

    Yes James that was my understanding of the process.

    So my question to Tex would be, only lib doctors participate in this process?

  51. James as far as your only comfort being in your granddaughter’s future, I don’t find that such a sad thing.

    I know with near certainty I will die or live to see my wife die, both untenable situations. But I have equal certainty, barring a cruel twist of fate, that my daughter will outlive me, for which I’m very grateful.

  52. “Yeah….and women who get artificial big titties…medical as fuck, brah.”

    Keep the boobs out of it, mang 😛

  53. Rutherford,

    It’s been my experience when it comes to greed, that’s the one sin that seems to run the gamut of politic with reckless abandon (and medicine for that matter).

    But Bro. Rabbit makes a great point. You think all this plastic surgery is consulted upon? This week alone, I’ve read where one “boy” and one “girl” have as their goal to look like Ken and Barbie – they’re so ugly, they look alien now. 🙂

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/human-ken-doll-breathe-properly-due-plastic-surgery-article-1.2965595

    and

    I’m not absolutely sure, but I would guess we are not talking about upstanding citizens consulting with these dolts.

  54. “Keep the boobs out of it, mang”

    My bad, mang.

    In all honesty, Fake tits suck and real tits are fun to suck. Me likes the real boobs….Hell…give me one slightly bigger than the other with a random stretch mark. Not an Everlast Speed Bag.

    Only cool thing about fake tits is the woman wants to show them to everybody after she gets them.

  55. Wonder what my wife’s reaction would be if I asked her to get a boob job? 🙂

    After all, this is a woman who gave serious thought in a younger day to becoming a nun. 😆 That’s a true story.

    And after 30 years of marriage, she’s convinced me that celibacy is no problem for her.

  56. And after 30 years of marriage, she’s convinced me that celibacy is no problem for her.

    That made me laugh. I was so horny in my younger days that you could never have convinced me that in my mid-50’s it would hardly be on my radar.

    I’ve even told my wife that I’m too goddam tired to have an affair. I honestly don’t know how men our age do it. Too complicated.

  57. Someone please erase the image of horny R from my brain, Clockwork Orange Style.

    My wife is weird. Never initiates sex, which is a bummer. But never declines sex. If she doesn’t want it, she will go to plan B.Low and behold…I’m a happy camper.

  58. If she doesn’t want it, she will go to plan B.Low

    You lucky dog. That’s a faded memory somewhere in my 20s when these strange women kept wanting to marry me. And if they didn’t immediately seek marriage, their daddy wanted me to marry them. I remember thinking, “If the old man knew what I had done to his daughter in his bed and what she had done to me while they were on vacation last week, that nail he is hammering would be going into my carotid.”

    I think the Almighty made a deal with me somewhere along the line and decided he’d give me the jackpot on women, giving a man everything they would ever want, except nookie was to be reserved for conceiving. Reverend Mother Taylor has met that, and then some. 👀

  59. I am really starting to suspect Bill Nye the Unscience Guy is a grown man that likes to drill holes in public bathroom stalls; especially the ones nearest the shortest urinal where the little boys reside.

  60. LOL I much prefer watching middle aged men talk about their sex lives than the bullshit bragging younger folks do.

    Between Rabbit’s plan B and Tex’s pro-creation only regimen, I’ll be laughing the rest of the day.

  61. Huck I may have finally figured out how to navigate my own blog after 10 years. Just keep my mouth shut and let the honest brokers (such as yourself and others unnamed) point out the bumps in the road.

    To paraphrase the former Mexican president, no one wants to pay for Trump’s fucking wall. Even GOP reps on the border states are not gung ho for it.

  62. The GOP can suck it too.

    BUILD THE FUCKING WALL!!!

    Huck, you got Rutherford applauding you. Time for a check on that, Brah.

  63. Trump has been a godsend for slowing down illeagal immigration.

    Keep talking about the Wall. I don’t care if MSNBC mocks.

    Self fullfilling prophecy. The Wall stands in the form of Plato’s world of ideas and is surprisingly effective here in the cave of shadows.

    The wall of the physical realm (where sensible) will be built one way or the other. A terrible terrorist attack from the southern border is sadly inevitable if we don’t defend this country like the Constitution demands.

    Talk about the wall, R! Anyway you want to!

  64. A terrible terrorist attack from the southern border is sadly inevitable

    Do you have a sensible reason for saying that? Our biggest terrorist threat is from Muslims. Seriously, are they coming in through Mexico?

  65. The 9th Circuit can suck my dick.

    Is that the sanctuary city ruling?

    Tell me why it’s NOT true that sanctuary cities encourage more cooperation between illegals and law enforcement. That’s the only rationale for them that has resonated with me.

  66. “Seriously, are they coming in through Mexico?”

    Naaaaaah. They wouldn’t exploit a total hole in our secuirty, particularly a hole that is in the shadow or narco-anarchy. How silly of me. Madness!

    I mean what’s next…they use box cutters and a card board fake bomb?

    Fuck….this nation is so dumb.

  67. “Tell me why it’s NOT true that sanctuary cities encourage more cooperation between illegals and law enforcement. That’s the only rationale for them that has resonated with me.”

    Huh? Rationale for what? The ruling or something else? Do you have any idea what the basis for another stupid 9th Circuit District Court Ruling or are you trying to rationalize why, if totally stupid, it doesn’t matter?

  68. Rabbit, agreeing that the Southern border is porous as hell, what are the terrorists waiting for? 9/11 was almost 16 years ago. Not a single terrorist across that border since. All home grown or flying in (shoe bomber, underpants bomber).

    If the Mexican border is such an obvious point of entry, what are they waiting for?

  69. Rationale for what?

    The only rationale for sanctuary cities that makes sense to me is that it supposedly encourages illegals to cooperate with local law enforcement in investigating crimes.

    I don’t know anything behind the 9th circuit ruling. I just inferred you oppose sanctuary cities and I’m curious why.

  70. It is true that Trump for some time now has stressed human and drug trafficking as well as illegal immigration as issues for better border security. Just saying.

    Sanctuary cities would like you to think it increases cooperation from the illegals as does the media but in practice that is utter nonsense. The point to get is that illegals have a lot of reasons NOT to cooperate with local law enforcement and very little reason to pony up good “citizenship”

  71. The Berlin Wall was meant to keep people in, not out.

    Seriously, please don’t ever make that comparison again. I can get that nonsense from my students.

  72. Ok Alfie basically answered the question I posed to Tigre.

    Now my only remaining question Alfie is do you have data to back up your claim or is your claim as anecdotal as that of the opposition?

    Tigre, I have no real case to make other than to get underneath the liberal talking point around the subject. Strictly speaking, I think it’s wrong for cities to openly defy federal law.

    Which brings to mind a completely unrelated issue: where do states like Colorado get off defying fed marijuana laws?

  73. I can get that nonsense from my students.

    I’m pretty sure you can also get that nonsense from the Pope.

    Walls have symbolic meaning. I traveled extensively through Europe as a child before the EU. I don’t recall any walls but I do recall customs at every border. Literal walls are a waste of money. There have to be ways less costly in dollars and symbolism.

  74. There have to be ways less costly in dollars and symbolism.

    Chip all the humans and keep track of them with GPS. For your protection, of course. Cheap and coming to a neighborhood near you.

  75. Literal walls are a waste of money. There have to be ways less costly in dollars and symbolism.

    Why are former President Blammo and the Chimp building a wall around their DC mansion then?

  76. “I’m pretty sure you can also get that nonsense from the Pope.”

    I’m pretty sure I can get a lot of nonsense from the Pope. So what?

    I’ve already stated the wall will never be built. But seriously, if you want to make comparisons, look to Israel, not Berlin.

  77. Rutherford I could link dump stuff but you won’t like the source. CIS. The position they present is based on facts/stats that immigrant heavy communities consistently fail to rate ICE/local cooperation as a reason they don’t report crimes. As for seeing a report to its conclusion ie testimony, I have no information readily available pro or against the thesis.
    Empirically I can tell you that illegals certainly care anout houses burning and people being sick and injured. I can further attest to them offering aid and assistance to EMS even with a heavy PD presence. I can also attest and not stress enough that in a higher crime community legal or illegal persons hit the “say nothing” button pretty freaking quick.

  78. Tex I seem to recall your being a deficit hawk. How do you like Trump’s new tax plan?

    I certainly do the corporate side. Only way to give American companies, especially small business owners, a chance to remain competitive IMO. You want the economy to grow, this is historically the most effective way.

    If we don’t start creating living wage jobs across this country, this country is going to eventually devolve into a developing nation.

  79. I have a feeling the 2nd House attempt at AHCA is going to be strike 2. If so, it’s time to move on and Ryan should lose his Speakership.

  80. “I doubt there are stats to back up the assertion.
    is aimed @ my comment you’re going to have to expand on your doubts”

    Kinda and kinda not. I’m talking about Rutherford’s assertion that “sanctuary cities encourage illegals to cooperate with local law enforcement.” But I haven’t gone looking, which is why I asked R to make his case. I take no issue with your (Alfie’s) comments.

  81. @ET cool I tend to agree that R wouldn’t be able to find stats either. In finding some of the ones I did,from a pro strict immigration entity at that,I was shocked at some of the stats that seemed to indicate what they did in non-sanctuary locales. ex.reportedly Hispanic females most likely to report crimes. Found that interesting.

    On a semi related note R I found this on my desktop and wanted to share:
    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/1-08-09%20Frei%20Testimony.pdf
    I followed the “stop snitching” phenomenon in Boston pretty close. Our late mayor “Mumbles” Menino actually tried to go all draconian on inner city sales of stop snitching tee shirts. In Boston which was the first city in the Safe Communities pilot back in 2006 the snitching,witness intimidation,and police/community relations have been a policy driver which is why I had found the Philly thing interesting. It’s like four pages pdf so it may help shed some light on the people angle.

  82. @Huck I find it kind of funny and sad that Congress is twisting itself in knots over an issue they shouldn’t be involved in.
    AHCA v 2.0 is pretty interesting in that it seems to be the same as v 1.0 except for the Freedom Caucus appeasing amendments which really boil down to being applicable ONLY IN RED STATES where I welcome them to prove state rights and local control is the right thing to do anyway. We’ll see if folks articulate that fact,I doubt it and I’m even more certain the media won’t report it as so since they’ve already initiated the lies on it.
    The lack of courage on the (R)s and the lack of honesty on behalf of the (D)s will likely cost Ryan his office and I personally find that a shame.
    ACA is 100% unfixable and is only going to get worse. It isn’t going to level off,it’s gonna sink!
    AHCA is far from a great plan but if the feds insist government has place in health care it is a step in the right direction.
    Universal coverage is not on the table,hell it ain’t in the kitchen. I’m sick of all the lies about it too.

  83. I don’t give two fucks how economically unfeasible the pre-existing condition part of ACA is. It is the RIGHT thing to do. Leaving this up to the states is WRONG!

    I think I’ve landed on my final stand concerning this. Medicare for all or government, get the fuck out of the insurance business. If the free market lets people die, so be it. At least then we know where we stand.

  84. “ACA is 100% unfixable and is only going to get worse. It isn’t going to level off,it’s gonna sink!”

    Then, and only then, will replacement be a real possibility. Right now there is something. Only when there is nothing will there be a possibility of something else.

  85. “Universal coverage is not on the table,hell it ain’t in the kitchen.”

    I suspect that will be the replacement for the failed ACA, which was the plan all along.

    This was always about the long game.

  86. @ Rutherford the pre-existing conditions thing goes a long way in crippling ACA but it isn’t the only thing.
    I respect if you don’t want to answer this but you are uniquely qualified. My previous two pre-ACA policies had $2 & $4 million lifetime limits. Do you think you’ve flirted,surpassed etc either of those amounts? The reason I’m asking is because I think there must be a better way to fund high risk pools and extend coverage.

  87. “I had a window of time where I thought ACA was that but I just don’t see Americans going there.”

    I’m not sure it matters where Americans want to go if a party wants to shoehorn something into law.

    A few years with no healthcare law is all it will take.

    I’m convinced government health care for all is in our future. It’s just a matter of time.

  88. It really just takes conviction on the part of the party. The ACA arguably had an influence on what has happened to the Democratic party since 2010. But as we have seen over the years, the virtual destruction of the party hasn’t been enough to destroy the law it left behind. And the current majority clearly doesn’t have that same level of conviction (and I’m not saying they should, in this particular case, because they keep drafting crap bills). They claim to want to do something but are unwilling to risk the sacrifices to get it done.

    At the end of the day, Republicans are cowards and even a weak Democratic party is still able to make them look like punk bitches. It’s pathetic.

  89. Well I absolutely agree the Republicans are weak and I’m shocked that given all the cover they have they are still punking out. The GOP should be psyched about 2018 instead they’re being skittish. I don’t get it.

  90. I suspect that will be the replacement for the failed ACA, which was the plan all along.

    Not possible so long as there’s a GOP majority in Senate and House. Not gonna happen. (Universal coverage, that is.)

  91. Alfie, without looking at the numbers, I strongly suspect the 2 mil lifetime would easily cover me. But that’s not the point. The point is an insurance company looking at my medical needs and either 1) refusing me a policy at all OR 2) offering me a premium/deductible combo that does me no good at all.

    I’m not saying ACA is great. This is actually the first year I’m using the gov subsidy (was too poor to use in the past and too proud to go on Medicaid). I am seeing sharply reduced premium this year on ACA. Deductible still stinks.

  92. What I’m saying is that perhaps one way to make the state high risk pools work is to look at them as only needing to ever pay out X $s as opposed to however they were financed before.
    Thanks for sharing that though I like hearing real life stuff that puts a face on reality.

  93. So evidently, the city of Portland, Oregon is known as The City of Roses. For the last 10 years, the city has held a rose parade.

    But not this year.

    The event has been canceled this year after receiving threats of violence by left-wing extremists threatening to drag off any Republican they found in or around the parade route. Instead of opting to rescind the permit of the Multnomah County Republican Party, who has marched in the event every year, the city said fuck it and canceled the whole thing.

    This is where we’re at now, folks, and it is progressing at lightning speed. Now it’s not about being a Nazi, or a KKK member, or even a Trump supporter. Now you just have to be a Republican.

    What’s it going to be tomorrow?

  94. Could someone tell me why Carter Page keeps showing up on TV and making an ass of himself? The dude wouldn’t survive 5 minutes at a poker table. Is he simply an attention whore?

  95. “Rabbit if you had any idea how much your Trump admiration sounds like me 8 years ago, you’d punch yourself in the face.”

    Dude….you fawned over him. Gushed over him. You think I’m doing that?

  96. I don’t blame Trump for liberal activist community organizers as judges. I’m mildly pleased with him.

  97. You think I’m doing that?

    Let’s just say any time any guy in Michigan gets a job, you get a Trump-erection. And if on the same day, some Mexican is stopped at the border … ahhhh, the money shot.

  98. It’s not fucking funny, twit.

    Oh get over yourself. I’ve already been real clear I oppose the Berkeley gestapo tactics.

    You need to lighten the fuck up. You own both houses, the Oval and a majority of the Supremes and you still can’t get your way. That ain’t my problem and that IS funny. 😀😀😀😀

  99. On another note I just found out this anecdote from a high school friend. Apparently years ago she was on the Long Island Expressway on her way to see Harry Chapin in concert. Major traffic jam. Major accident. At least one dead: Harry Chapin.

    Now THAT’S fucked up.

  100. “You own both houses, the Oval and a majority of the Supremes and you still can’t get your way. That ain’t my problem and that IS funny. ”

    That has nothing to do with what I am refering to. Nothing at all.

  101. The whole Berkeley thing and now the Portland thing Huck brings up is going to work against the Left.
    I do enjoy the hypocrisy of the left though. Although even the likes of Lizzie Warren have called for an end to the stuff she and others fall far short from calling on she and her peers to disown and disavow the peeps doing it. Apparently only the right is to be held responsible for their “fans” and proponents & fellow travelers.
    That’s funny!

  102. R is a cheerleader. He’d consider Kristallnacht funny if thought it offered him validation. Beyond that. . . there is nothingness.

  103. “The whole Berkeley thing and now the Portland thing Huck brings up is going to work against the Left.”

    I had the thought last night….the GOP needs to put a float in the Pasadena Rose Parade. Let’s see that one get canceled.

    Start sponsoring NASCAR cars. Let’s see the left threaten those guys By Any Means Necessary.

    Some form of the Republican party needs to have a presence at big events that a lot of people like. When those things get shut down because of threats of leftist violence, they will continue to lose support.

  104. He’d consider Kristallnacht funny if thought it offered him validation.

    Everyone getting their undies in a knot over a joke … after all the disrespectful insulting things that have been posted on this blog, most recently another comparison of the former First Lady to a simian.

    Your selective outrage bores me.

    YAWWWWWWWN 😴😴😴😴

  105. Listening to the NRA audience reaction to guest speaker Trump tells you all you need to know about the NRA – very small penises and lots of compensating.

    Mmm wonder if all the gun toters had to pass through a metal detector to see the POTUS speech. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

    Ahhhh the irony.

    TAKE MY GUN FROM MY COLD DEAD HAND!!!!

    DAMN YOU!!!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!!

  106. You miss again, R. No outrage from me at all. What I said was completely dispassionate observation. As usual, you mistake your own sensibilities for the rest of us, which is why you confuse your Obama goo-gobbling with DR (or anyone else around here) and Trump.

  107. What’s wrong with simian? It’s funnnyyyyy.

    “The ego here is — well it’s something. By the way, his teeth come out like it’s simian almost. It’s simian, like a monkey banging with a stick, You know, ‘I’m the biggest. I’m the biggest.’ Pounding his chest. It does have a simian quality to it, I mean primordial, I should say.” -MSNBC turd Chris Matthews, on the air

  108. “What’s wrong with simian? It’s funnnyyyyy.”

    I gotta say, Rutherford, sometimes you walk right into ’em. It’s almost like you do it on purpose. 😀

  109. which is why you confuse your Obama goo-gobbling with DR (or anyone else around here) and Trump.

    If any of you were in your right mind, you’d admit that Trump is an ill-advised overreaction to Obama and the faster the next four years go, the better. Our (notice I said “our” because he IS my president) president is a horse’s ass:

    1) HATES NAFTA – loves NAFTA
    2) China manipulates currency – nah, Xi LIKES me so I changed my mind
    3) Wall – no money to pay for it and today he finally admitted (to the NRA) that the wall will not cover the entire border
    4) Kill Obamacare – nope can’t get the votes nor even a plausible plan
    5) Ban dangerous immigrants – nope, courts say “that’s not who we are”.
    6) America first – but let’s bomb Syria while we’re at it.

    Puhleeez. Your endorsement of this ass-clown makes ANY defense I’ve made of Obama in the past 8 years pale in comparison.

  110. Absolutely. Simian is just as funny as Ann Coulter being a sympathetic victim. Humor is subjective.

    By the way, the fact that Coulter is nothing more and nothing less than pure entertainment, makes the Berkeley response all the more ridiculous. Coulter isn’t a threat to anyone. She’s an attention whore. End of story.

  111. “Puhleeez. Your endorsement of this ass-clown makes ANY defense I’ve made of Obama in the past 8 years pale in comparison.”

    LOL. Gawd, you just proved my point, and I’m certain you don’t even know it.

  112. “Absolutely. Simian is just as funny as Ann Coulter being a sympathetic victim. Humor is subjective.”

    She’s not the victim you twat waffle (h/t Muffy). The 1st amendment among other things is the victim — even if Coulter was deadly serious and a “threat” to anyone.

    You dimwits refer to “hate speech” as though it’s not protected. . . hate speech being anything you disagree with and therefore label intolerant.

    You haven’t any true appreciation how fucked up this is on a legal, political and sociological level you’re a liberal media spectator and cheerleader. Nothing more.

    And that’s fine. But your assumption that others share your fanaticism and sensibilities is way off base.

  113. Rutherford you flirt with a line of thought some lefties have initiated. Coulter has the right to free speech and academia has a duty to only allow quality speech. This line of thinking dies when you accept Ward Churchill and T Coates as quality.
    Personally I don’t like Coulter. Ive often viewed her the anorexic Skeletor who does a lousy Cher lmpression. That said she is well versed in her topic set and is published and vetted at a level that surpasses many of those given a podium and a microphone at US campuses.

  114. Rutherford I’d invite you to ratchet down your Trump stumping and accept that he is inheriting a pile of shit that few POTUS in my mind have had to face.
    All of his FP follies his haters pin on him are all dynamic issues rendered unto us by the lapses of the Obama Administration.
    His domestic issues are tued to the imperfect democracy of our legislative process and an absolute minority slice of judiciary plus triple scoop of “wow we dems love states rights all of a sudden” Constitution violating shittiness.
    Instead of the false importance of the “100 days” perhaps we should be more like “It’s only been a 100 days”.

  115. A ps tot heavive Trumps idiotic tweets and bellicosity have had zero impact on his ability to be POTUS. That might be funny to some or br a damn shame but not for nothing the guy has pressed flesh with more people in three months than I think others have in the past.

  116. You haven’t any true appreciation how fucked up this is on a legal, political and sociological level

    Yada yada yada. You’re arguing with the wrong person but please go on since it satisfies you so.

    I believe so called hate speech deserves the same protections as all speech, barring the old crowded theater fire yell.

    Quite frankly this blog is a living testament to how I feel on the subject. Off the top of my head I think the only one who’d be left here is James after I nuked everyone who at some point in the past ten years crossed my subjective boundary.

    So keep yelling at the wall if you find it cathartic.

  117. Coulter has the right to free speech and academia has a duty to only allow quality speech.

    I think the second clause is very dicey. Who determines quality? Does speech that offends certain folks ipso facto lack quality?

    Some here like to run with their hair on fire but let’s get down to brass tacks. We all agree Coulter should be allowed to speak, ESPECIALLY, at a university. So what is the school’s obligation to protect the speaker? What happens next? We let her get assaulted and clean up the mess later (with arrests and prosecutions)? We hire security?

    Colleges have to get in front of this with policies that no campus will be hostile to peaceful speakers. The message from admin must be unambiguous.

    But that needs to happen long before Ann gets her speaking gig announced. The culture on campuses has to change.

  118. Instead of the false importance of the “100 days” perhaps we should be more like “It’s only been a 100 days”.

    Tell that to Donald. He’s been making a big deal of the first 100. Again, an ass-clown.

    Our FP problems didn’t begin with Obama. Bill left George al qaeda which George then fucked up royally. We’ve had a strategic patience approach to NK for at least a few admins. Our fondness for further destabilizing countries goes back a ways too.

    But let’s go with your premise; Obama fucked all FP on his own. All the more reason to bring in a competent fixer, not a branding celebrity.

  119. How do we get the competent fixer? Trump will be in office for a long time. He is all we have, and in spite of his problems with learning a new job, he is better than Obama.

    We should have pressed this issue before North Korea became stronger.

  120. Most colleges with their intolerance can go to Hell until they can control their students. I lived through a milder version with this when I entered grad school as a veteran. They said, “You don’t belong here, you fascist . We will get rid of you”, and it applies to the intolerant psuedo snow flakes too.

    Financial control would do non-violent wonders for the mood, but I suspect little will change unless conservatives intimidate leftists with threats of force.

  121. Since I’ve been a big proponent of explicit condemnation and a foe of implicit acceptance (acceptance by silence), I will say any lib elected official who does not explicitly condemn campus violence doesn’t belong in office.

  122. Thanks for the complement Rutherford. I appreciate it. Yelling at walls doesn’t accomplish much, but complaining helps me feel better.

    So do our grand daughter’s favorite videos. She loves this one and the music. It put her to sleep during her nap yesterday.

    It snowed here this morning and a little more may fall Sunday night and Monday morning.

  123. There is more snow heading your way, James. With this latest front, it is very windy here and has been all day. It made working outside in it a struggle. Our temperature has dropped since this afternoon. We will probably go below 60 degrees tonight.

    Mrs poolman’s garden is coming in full. The grape vine has gone nuts. The blackberry bush too. We’ve been harvesting at least a pound of strawberries a day and have been for a month. Tomatoes are ripening if we can keep the finches from tasting them, we may have a good crop. The acorn and butternut squash are kicking butt. String beans and black-eyed peas are taking off. Okra is just a couple inches tall. Plenty of young romaine and spinach for salads. Scallions too. Jalapeno and the other pepper plants are producing big time. The garden is happy.

    That’s what we do. It has probably been over 2 weeks since she even turned on a teevee. Life is too short to waste any of it living in fantasy.

  124. As I sit in the living room, Maddow’s voice is wafting from the bedroom. She’s “bragging” about what a failure Trump’s first 100 days have been. This will sound strange after the litany I posted earlier but there’s something sick and morbid for someone with a megaphone to be celebrating the President’s failures.

    I’d like to think if more than a dozen people read my stuff that maybe I’d be more careful about my tone. Hardball was also dedicated tonight to laughing at Trump.

    Should we show respect to the office even when we can’t muster respect for the office holder?

    I’m a bit depressed about the whole state of affairs tonight.

  125. “Should we show respect to the office even when we can’t muster respect for the office holder?”

    No….hold them to the fire. I don’t give a fuck. You act like those two morons mean something. They don’t.

  126. They mean something to at least a million a night and they poison the water pretty much like Hannity did for the past eight years.

    There’s a difference between reporting perceived failure vs delighting in it.

    I actually heard some fucking idiot tonight say “with these poll numbers, Trump cannot be reelected in 2020.” The MSM has learned NOTHING. It’s beyond arrogance. It’s blinding stupidity.

  127. “I actually heard some fucking idiot tonight say “with these poll numbers, Trump cannot be reelected in 2020.””

    Because this is all that’s left. This is conceding that there was never anything to the big Russian collusion and that there is no hope of Trump ever being impeached. After 13 weeks all they have left is that he’ll never be re-elected 3 and a half years from now.

    I love how Trump played this whole self-glorifying White House Correspondent’s Dinner. Everyone knows the room will be laughing at him, not with him. So he not only says he isn’t going, none of his staff is going either. To make it even better, he’s going to hold a rally. Which means the idiots can either go celebrate themselves or do their job and cover his rally.

    Fucking genius

  128. I’m still not sure where these Leftists are getting Trump has been a failure. His staff is perhaps the best we’ve had since Reagan, especially the foreign policy side. Rutherford and the dregs of the Left might be comfortable sitting with a rogue nation threatening our west coast with a nuclear ICBM – sane people are not.

    Though only time will tell, the most important domestic issue for millions of us was appointing a replacement SCOTUS in the mold of Scalia. We got that. Trump and Co. are downsizing government, especially in the most insidious Depts. of State and EPA. They’ve already cut out over $100 billion in useless regulation, the market (that index the Left used to demonstrate the brilliance of Obama) is up 15% since the election, and consumer confidence is the highest it has been in 20 years. We apparently have a better relationship with China than anyone expected. Through the same EO Obama used to empower Obamacare, Trump has struck most the penalties down.

    And though no wall has been built, illegal immigration is down roughly 2/3 just with the threat of Trump being President.

    You ask me, Trump has been great – the Republic Senate pretty good, the Republican house, abysmal.

    Rachel Maddow has demonstrated how positively stupid she really is and removed all doubt the last 18 months. All the Left is left with whining, moaning, bitching, and violently demonstrating – most Americans are realizing just how bad Obama really was and is.

    The Left grows more irrelevant by the day. Even Rutherford knows it, though he can’t bring himself to admit it.

  129. His team lost. No one trusts the usual old lying scorekeepers or are willing to accept the “peril” of tuning them out.

    Soon, the crybullies will be transitioning from stage 3 (anger and bargaining) to stage 4 (depression, reflection, loneliness).

  130. Poolman, cities sixty miles west of us could get up to four inches of heavy wet snow and wind strong enough to bring down power lines and trees. We should get less snow because of a slightly thicker layer of warmer air at the surface. This prediction as the weather service has the validity of a prediction of the last presidential election.

    Our garden is still dormant except for eight rows of onions I planted. The fruit trees are at the final stages of blossoming.

  131. Trump is a Republican in name only. He is his own party and so far has accomplished more through executive orders etc than the Congressional majority has.

    I think he is doing all right too.

  132. Most NASCAR drivers are conservative Christians until they are racing. Then, it is war. Their chatter is profane and aggressive.

    Danica Patrick holds her own with the men. She is smart and tough. Most of her comments during a race are laced with more bleeps than acceptable words.

    I would lock her in a room with Rachel Maddow with cameras running. Rachel Maddow would be cowed.

  133. “So keep yelling at the wall if you find it cathartic.”

    yadda, yadda, yadda.

    I’m not yelling.

    But you’re definitely a wall.

  134. I’m wondering if the true lesson of both the Obama and Trump presidencies is that the presidency is becoming irrelevant.

    Take Obama. He pulls a red line out of his ass, goes to Congress for approval to enforce red line and Congress tells him to fuck off. Had he just launched an attack, Congress would have lost its shit. So what do we really have? A powerless president.

    90% of what Tex listed as Trump’s accomplishments are circumstantial. Arguably, the most important one involves picking a name off a list and then having Mitch McConnell do the heavy lifting.

    The American POTUS is turning into a corollary of the 21st century British monarch. A figure head. Nothing more.

  135. Donald told Reuters that being president is harder than his former life. Ya think? Leader of the free world harder than being a brand promoter. Who da thunk it?

    The president is an eight year old.

  136. Any person who claims to have the slightest foreknowledge of what it takes to be the President of the United States is a fucking liar, and you know that.

    The only difference between Trump and anyone else on that is he is admitting it.

  137. “Was Obama’s easier or something?”

    “A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there’s no question about it,” – George W. Bush

  138. Was Obama’s easier or something?

    I’ll turn off the teevee when you put a lock on the liquor cabinet. The quoted comment from you makes zero sense and has nothing to do with what I said.

  139. The only difference between Trump and anyone else on that is he is admitting it.

    And that difference matters. We all know the job is unpredictably difficult It need not be said. Saying it implies the oaf thought it WOULD be an easy job.

    Did he learn nothing from W who was mocked endlessly for saying the job was hard?

  140. “The president is an eight year old.”

    Written like. . .

    an eight year old.

    R, maybe you need another break. The MSNBC-grade petty is flowing.

  141. “A powerless president. A figure head. Nothing more”

    Yeah. A figure head. Guy does an entire regime change in Libya and ad-libs Shiity-care like a tyrant and he’s president completly devoid of power according to Rutherford.

  142. “The quoted comment from you makes zero sense and has nothing to do with what I said.”

    Let’s see:

    “Donald told Reuters that being president is harder than his former life. Ya think? Leader of the free world harder than being a brand promoter. Who da thunk it?” -Rutherford @ 1:38 p.m.

    “Was Obama’s easier or something?” -Tigre

    Oaky little boy, point out the inconsistency in the exchange.

    While you’re at it, why don’t you explain similar comments made by your hero Obama the community organizer that labeled himself kind of lazy.

  143. Holy fuck. G.W. was an eight year-old too. He said it was hard work.

    You know what I like best about Rutherford’s duncemanship? The fact the Trump was considered a hard working SOB before he ever took office, and when he says this job is harder, a dude that watches 18 hours of MSNBC a day considers the comment juvenile because the fucking losers on his teevee express disgust . . again. . . as they do all day long.

  144. “Look, you know, when you’re in this job, I think, uh—every president who’s had it is constantly humbled by the degree to which there are a lot of issues out there, and the notion that one person alone can solve all these problems—I think you’re cured of that illusion very quickly.” – Obama, 2009

    “I don’t think anything prepares you for the presidency.” – Obama, 2009

    “Let’s be clear here. Seven presidents have tried to reform a health care system that everyone acknowledges is broken. Seven presidents have failed up until this point.” Obama, 2009

    (Whoops! Better make that 8 now).

    What th fuck is the matter with you? Seriously. So petty and juvenile.

  145. It’s embaressing watching a grown man be led by the nose over such petty stuff. So much so, he feels the need to run here and tell us all all about his sick burns.

    He just can’t stop watching cable news.

  146. Hey, anybody keeping up with the Trump-Putin collusion story that the libs were tirelessly blathering on about for 6 months? The seem to have fallen silent. Are we waiting for Trump’s tax returns returns to prove it or something?

  147. I’ve always said there is something mentally stunted with him.

    Guy is so retarded he doesn’t know an aircraft carrier = Navy. Yet mindlessly came here unhappy with the location of the fleet. And doesn’t self reflect a bit that maybe, just maybe, he should just leave that one alone and defy his tv. Wait for another gotcha non gotcha from is teeeveee.

    The lack of knowledge is just as exasperating as the lack of self awareness.
    .

  148. Oaky little boy, point out the inconsistency in the exchange.

    Guess I’m thick today. I still don’t know what you’re talking about. Was Obama’s WHAT easier? His two terms? Honestly I haven’t the foggiest idea what point you’re trying to make.

  149. The fact the Trump was considered a hard working SOB before he ever took office

    Mmm let’s start there. By whom? I heard just the other day that in those legendary deals, Donald didn’t do squat but flap his lips (sometimes endangering said deal) and his negotiators would get the job done, often to the displeasure of Donald who didn’t always get his way.

    Do we know the man or the myth?

    But this ain’t rocket science Tigre.
    FDR
    Winston Churchill
    Ronald Reagan
    Tony Blair
    Angela Merkel
    Vladimir Putin

    I pulled those names out of my ass. Show me a quote from any of them saying their job was hard. It’s not what serious leaders say.

  150. He just can’t stop watching cable news.

    You voted for an ass-clown TWICE. Credibility = 0.

    I watched one of your Michigan neighbors on “cable news” the other day. A Dem who voted for Trump because he believed Trump’s bullshit. He thought Trump would really be America first and then he bombed Syria. Your fellow Michiganer is royally pissed.

    Apparently a bunch of coal miners who Trump cozied up to are about to lose their healthcare if the fed doesn’t step in. Donald? Donald? Where are you Donald?

  151. It’s embaressing watching a grown man

    LOL I don’t know how I missed that. You voted for a reality TV star who won primary after primary by being Don Rickles (RIP) and you think you have the right to use the word “embarrassing” against someone else?

    Goddam that’s funny. 😀😀😀

  152. And Rutherford triples down. 😆

    So unless I google the same quote from a former president, he’s proved the job isn’t hard. Please tell me first that you looked. Saying the job of president is hard being some disqualifier, I’d like to know that your lazy as fuck ass took a pass at it instead of repeating your childish indictment.

    I’ll wait. . .

  153. Hey, anybody keeping up with the Trump-Putin collusion story that the libs were tirelessly blathering on about for 6 months?

    Watch anything but Fox. It’s on every night.

  154. “I heard just the other day that in those legendary deals . . .”

    Let’s have a starting point. Where did you “hear” it Haaaarvard?

  155. I don’t watch Fox, other than trying to catch Carlson put up Rutherford-grade intellects and making them look stupid by, you know, asking obvious questions and stuff.

    So where shall I turn in for the big investigation? Let me guess. . . . mmmmm. . . MSNBC?

  156. Guy is so retarded he doesn’t know an aircraft carrier = Navy.

    I don’t know why that should be so intuitive. If it floats, its Navy, if it flies its Air Force and when the two merge, it’s a joint effort. Seems simple enough but I wasn’t sure.

    When it comes to who voted for Trump (in the primary, no less) I’ll take my level of retardation over yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  157. “I watched one of your Michigan neighbors on “cable news” the other day. A Dem who voted for Trump because he believed Trump’s bullshit. . . ”

    He’s got you there DR. Check and mate. Some Michigander said something that was disparaging of Trump so Mr. Worldly kinda got you. . . cause you’re a Michigander.

  158. “I’ll take my level of retardation over yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. . .”

    You’re kinda stuck with it, and its the kind that would write something that retarded.

  159. So unless I google the same quote from a former president, he’s proved the job isn’t hard.

    What the fuck are you talking about? I NEVER said the job wasn’t hard you idiot. I said Donald was a lame brain for thinking the job wouldn’t be hard and then not having the self-restraint to keep it to himself.

    Seriously. Do you read what I write or go into some strange delusional trance?

    How much money would I lose if I bet you don’t even know the Donald quote that you’re so energetically defending?

  160. R, on Trump have a strong work ethic, just Google. Throw in workaholic and he appears on cheeseball lists for it too. Just read an ABC. Why so hard for you to do the same? Oh yeah, the folks that do nothing but flap their gums have told you all he does is flap his gums.

  161. Let me guess. . . . mmmmm. . . MSNBC?

    And ABC and CBS and The Washington Post and The New York Times. … need more? In fact, the last two seem to be in a competition for who gets the latest Russia related scoop.

  162. “I said Donald was a lame brain for thinking the job wouldn’t be hard and then not having the self-restraint to keep it to himself.”

    Duh.

    Bring me your quote. The one I assume you referring to was:

    “I had so many things going,” he explained. “I, actually, this is more work than my previous life. I thought it would be easier. I thought it was more of a — I’m a details-oriented person I think you would say that. But I do miss my old life. I like to work, so that’s not a problem, but this is actually more work.”

    I’ll look for where he said it wouldn’t be hard.

  163. Some Michigander said something that was disparaging of Trump so Mr. Worldly kinda got you. . . cause you’re a Michigander.

    To hear Rabbit, Trump is transforming Michigan as we speak. Maybe Rabbit is also “some Michigander” whose opinion sjouke be discounted?

  164. I said “check and mate” Rutherford. Take the victory. You got him. Some dude from Michigan said something.

  165. Throw in workaholic

    You really don’t think I know Trump’s reputation for four hours of sleep a night? His work ethic is legendary. And it says very little about competence.

  166. You know R. I’ve come to see how right you and MSNBC are. No president should say the job is harder than they expected. Hell, I never should’ve said or continue to say it myself because. . . whatever.

  167. “You really don’t think I know Trump’s reputation for four hours of sleep a night? His work ethic is legendary. And it says very little about competence.”

    Let’s see:

    “The fact the Trump was considered a hard working SOB before he ever took office.. . ” -Tigre

    “Mmm let’s start there. By whom? I heard just the other day that in those legendary deals, Donald didn’t do squat but flap his lips (sometimes endangering said deal) and his negotiators would get the job done, often to the displeasure of Donald who didn’t always get his way.” -Rutherford

    Tell me about his competence then. You’ve conceded hard work apparently. The “hard work” that a president is forbidden to mention.

  168. The one I assume you referring to was:

    Fine, I would have lost that bet. You’ve got the right quote. Now let’s figure out how you can defend it. Is it the end of the world? No. But is it juvenile as hell? Yes.

    “I thought it would be easier.” Ehhh why? “But I do miss my old life.” Save it for the post-presidency memoir. When NK is pointing a missile at my head, I don’t need you pining for Celebrity Apprentice. 😐

  169. I don’t need to defend it. I’m attacking the petty and juvenile nature of your attack.

    In looking for quotes, I wondered how a MSNBC drone would react to John Adams when he said, ““No man who ever held the office of president would congratulate a friend on obtaining it.”

    There’s reams of others that if you simply claimed Trump had said it we would get the same stupidity out of you guys.

  170. Tigre I’ll say this much. The article you posted is very bad for our country and I don’t think you have the foggiest idea why.

    When only 29% of the public trusts the media, fewer than trust Trump, we have a national crisis on our hands. You poo-poo the importance of the press. I don’t. Their job is to report the truth without agenda. Pols have an agenda, always.

    The media brought this on themselves but you shouldn’t be celebrating. Without a trustworthy press, we are in grave danger.

  171. “But is it juvenile as hell? Yes.”

    Hardly. It’s honest and totally irrelevant to his fitness to serve. You just think if MSNBC jumps up and down about it you scored a point or something. You bring it here because, again, you mistakenly think that any one of us is as emotionally invested in Trump as you are Obama. Virtually everything you’re so invested in, including Obama, is a complete failure. You can’t resurrect and win with this stupidity. You only make it worse.

  172. Honest to God: tell me how Adam’s quote equals “I thought it would be easier”?

    Yeah Trump is right up there with Adams, Washington and Jefferson.

    Tell me, when the wall is finished are we gonna find a spot on Mount Rushmore next to Abe for Donald? Just carving the hair will qualify as a big employment infrastructure project. 😀😀😀

  173. “You poo-poo the importance of the press.”

    Quite the opposite. The press is very important. I poo-poo the credibility it earned for itself and deserves. As I said, you are a media spectator and since you believe yourself aligned with it believe its critics should too.

    If you believed the press was important in the way I do, you’d turn off the fucking teevee (especially the shit you watch), read some more, and place your trust in when it’s deserved.

  174. “Honest to God: tell me how Adam’s quote equals “I thought it would be easier”?”

    Read what I wrote dummy.

  175. Don’t go down that hole Rutherford. You know and not too deep every POTUS has the “Why the fuck did I take this job” & “This is harder than….”

  176. you mistakenly think that any one of us is as emotionally invested in Trump as you are Obama.

    I really don’t expect too many here to own up when Trump stumbles. In fact, I will need to step carefully to avoid tripping over the Trump-pails (h/t to Alfie).

  177. Alfie, I don’t have a lot of problems with Trump thinking “what the hell did I get into?” I have a problem with his saying it to a reporter who can blast it around the world. Making matters worse, he doesn’t have a thoughtful or philosophical reputation to begin with.

    The dude doesn’t self-edit. He’s a late night comedian’s wet dream.

  178. “He’s a late night comedian’s wet dream.”

    If only he were black. Then jokes about him would be off limits.

  179. You can tell it’s been a slow week in politics when we get through the Sunday morning talk shows and the worst there is to discuss is Trump mentioning it’s tough being president.

  180. TLCT in action:

    “I have a problem with his saying it to a reporter who can blast it around the world. Making matters worse, he doesn’t have a thoughtful or philosophical reputation to begin with.

    The dude doesn’t self-edit. He’s a late night comedian’s wet dream.”

    Nobody reads your score card.

  181. the worst there is to discuss is Trump mentioning it’s tough being president.

    Nah. I think the Sunday shows will cover:

    1) More illegality from Mike Flynn
    2) One page tax plan that blows the deficit wide open
    3) and of course a review of The First Hundred Days

  182. 2) One page tax plan that blows the deficit wide open

    Say in contrast to the Bongo Tax Plan of 3,142,121 pages that blew the deficit wide open? 🙄🙄🙄

  183. “Nah. I think the Sunday shows will cover:”

    Yeah, that is totally my bad. I took Friday off so I thought today was Sunday.

  184. Of course the president is a figurehead. It’s been that way for a long time.

    Of course the corporate media isn’t trustworthy. They have an agenda.

    Maybe soon you will put these thoughts together and realize they aren’t there to protect us.

    VaxXed Stories: The Prosecutor

  185. Trump should invite Bill Clinton to introduce his tax plan to the country.

    One of a few low points in the Obama years when he let slick Willie take over a press briefing. I never understood why he did that.

  186. “Off the top of my head I think the only one who’d be left here is James after I nuked everyone who at some point in the past ten years crossed my subjective boundary.”

  187. Fuck this shit. If nobody’s gonna recognize my comedic talent in posting others’ comedic talent, I’m gonna burn this bitch down. The Onion piece was solid gold. Not even a Tex Guffaw. Y’all are nothing but a bunch of humorless, passive/aggressive cyber bullies.

  188. I got my own acronym… TIGRE

    1.) Totally Ignores Genuine Real Evidence
    2.) Testing Ignorance’s Greatest Role Everyday
    3.) Towhead Idiot Gets Really Egotistical

  189. What a really clever and fun game Poolman.

    HUCK: House Under Contract Kwikly

    p.s. I’m not a towhead but I’ll accept the rest ’cause I’m gracious like that.

  190. LOL Ahhhh Tex that brings back memories of the very early days when you’d call me Rutherturd.

    We “met” on ChenZhen’s blog, didn’t we? Damn my memory gets worse with each passing day.

  191. “The cyber-bullying was from The Onion?”

    No, ding-dong. The Onion article I posted the other day is from the Onion.

    Pearls before swine.

  192. Sanctuary city funding, Planned Parenthood funding, and no wall funding.

    No, the Democratic party didn’t suddenly take control of congress and the White House. That’s today’s GOP.

    All talk.

  193. Yeah I just saw a comment on MSNBC that the Dems basically got everything they wanted on the budget extension that takes us through September.

    I don’t like the GOP agenda much but I am puzzled why they’re fighting more amongst themselves than with the Dems.

  194. I don’t like the GOP agenda much but I am puzzled why they’re fighting more amongst themselves than with the Dems.

    Because they’re dickheads

  195. Then fuck their principles. Not one fucking cut, even to the stupid enviromental bullshit. Gawd!

  196. Democrats are Bolshevics. They are focused, and they can present a united front when it matters.

    Menshevics are Republicans out maneuvered because of their strategic failures and self centeredness. Its like reading a history of the White Russians v the Red Russians.

  197. Voter perception elected Trump and many Republicans. Once they think the Republicans are inept, the Democrats will return. Republicans risk throwing away their politicial future and the nation as it has been since the beginning.

  198. I am willing to cut this Congress one Congressional budget screw up to avoid the shut down and save the horse chit of the media and the shills. But between now and September, there had better be significant progress on tax cuts, building the wall, and plugging the dike on Obamacare.

    And by significant I better be seeing cuts, cement slabs, and repeals.

  199. Not gonna happen, Tex. Too many Republicans are closet ObamaCare lovers and, as we’ve seen since the Bush Jr. era, the GoPE loves cheap, (il)legal labor.

    At this point, I’m not even convinced we’ll see the tax cuts.

    Republicans have held Congress for more than half of a decade and have done nothing.

  200. Not gonna happen, Tex. Too many Republicans are closet ObamaCare lovers and, as we’ve seen since the Bush Jr. era, the GoPE loves cheap, (il)legal labor.

    I can’t even defend these worms anymore – without excuse. How did I ever think Paul Ryan was a standup guy once upon a time? I bet he has a CoExist sticker on the back of his Purple Prius.

  201. They are focused, and they can present a united front when it matters.

    That actually flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Dems are known for constant in-fighting and hand wringing while the GOP typically settles on a unified message and sticks with it.

    I think you can blame the Tea Party – ahem – The Freedom Caucus for things going off the rails.

  202. Ok I know I’ll be accused once again of “running in here with more MSNBC foolishness” but …

    Can’t we all agree Trump would be better off not sharing his perspectives on American history?

  203. Rutherford, the Democrats are noted for internal disputes and disunity as you wrote, but this time they put aside mutual disgust for their greater hatred of Trump and the Republican agenda. They out maneuvered the Republicans.

    Their leaders bragged about using Republican disunity against them in the budget bill.

    I agree about the Tea Party to a point. Back when those hapless fools on Helen and Margaret regarded the Tea Party as an astroturf flash in the pan I warned they were dangerous to the Democrats and later the Republicans.

    I blame the Freedom Caucus for failing to understand how to bargain the way vendors in Naples, Italy and other places do. I think the other Republicans are not faultless either. Republicans should own Congress now, but they are behaving like Democrats.

    Yes, we would be better off if Trump stopped using historical allusions as he has been doing.

  204. However, Andrew Jackson strongly opposed the southern planters’ nullifying the 1828 tariff and he tried to placate them with a lower tariff in 1832. South Carolina nullified both tariffs and Jackson deployed the Navy.
    He may have prevented the Civil War in his time, but the times were different in the 1860’s.

  205. I am feeling better from what appears to be walking pneumonia. I slept most of the previous four days.

    Last night was the first time I stayed up beyond 8PM.

    Jimmy Kimmel gave a teary speech about the harrowing experience with his new born son.

    Our surprise gave my wife and son a 50/50 chance of survival, and I not the nurses was the observant one who saved our unborn son twice.

    Our daughter was a breach birth with the embilical cord tied around her neck. I thought blue and purple were normal colors for new born babies.
    I am glad the family seems to be having a happy ending.

  206. I think we have long since agreed that Rutherford would be better off not sharing his perspectives on American history.

  207. “Can’t we all agree Trump would be better off not sharing his perspectives on American history?”

    LOL. Coming from you, that’s may be funniest thing I’ve ever read.

    Well, that’s not true. Asking if an aircraft carrier was navy or airforce was funnier.

    But you talking about “perspectives on history” is near the top.

  208. Here is another sociological-historical prospective. A writer suggested that Trump’s victory, Brexit, and support for more conservative politicians in Europe is actually part of a rural revolution against selected areas of urban internationalists.

    Bridget Bardo supports La Pen, in part, because the old guard is changing the nature of France. Interviews with residents of many southern French villages show hostility to current politicians and the dilution of French identity.

    The poor and middle class in larger cities are also unhappy, but they have a less traditional attitude about the nature of France.

    Whatever the differences or similarities between the French and forces which elected Trump, he had better drain the swamp, or the swamp will drain him.

  209. I think we have long since agreed that Rutherford would be better off not sharing his perspectives on American history.

    Cute, but alas you dodged the point.

  210. Yes James, Jackson historian Jon Meacham gave the tiniest of a hat tip to Trump regarding the nullification. Essentially he said the circumstances of the civil war WOULD have bothered Jackson because Jackson believed in a UNITED States, as one country.

    I’m in a sympathetic mood today so I’ll say … yeah, that was what Trump was referring to.

  211. Here is another sociological-historical prospective. A writer suggested that Trump’s victory, Brexit, and support for more conservative politicians in Europe is actually part of a rural revolution against selected areas of urban internationalists.

    That seemed to be at least partially what Alfie’s City Journal article was getting at a few days ago.

  212. Hopefully this is not behind a paywall. The standout quote among many interesting observations:

    And he suggests Obama deployed religion for political purposes; while campaigning for the U.S. Senate, Garrow notes, Obama began toting around a Bible and exhibited “a greater religious faith than close acquaintances had ever previously sensed.”

    So yes, as I suspected, Obama was a fake Christian much like his successor.

    I think Huck will particularly enjoy this article which paints Obama pretty much as the egotistical prick of Huck’s own analysis.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2017/05/02/before-michelle-barack-obama-asked-another-woman-to-marry-him-then-politics-got-in-the-way/

  213. Rabbit, show me a shred of psychiatric evidence that a sane man can think he’s an elf and I will answer YES, SCIENCE.

    Whether you like it or not, true transsexuals go through extensive psychological counseling before gender reassignment. The medical community provides a path from man to woman (and vice versa) that endorses it as a scientifically legit medical treatment.

    Again, show me the same for an elf-wannabe. Since you can’t, your point is absurd.

  214. Let me be clear Rabbit. I think anatomy permanently defines gender. If you’ve got a dick you’re a man. If you get your dick cut off, you’re a man who got his dick cut off.

    But unlike you, I know I’m not a psychiatrist and I have no medical standing to back up my prejudice.

  215. Extensive psychological counseling is horsechit and those in the know are well aware of it. There is tremendous pressure brought to bear on the APA normalizing homosexuality – which they did in 1973, but the APA only represents a small part of practicing psychiatrists – the ones I know and respect still think homosexuality is a mental disorder. It should be biologically obvious.

    It’s more of the psychologist horsechit that we hear about – who many times are the most fucked up people on earth.

    It follows what we are hearing about transsexualism is the same ploy, two generations removed from the homosexual revolution. There’s no getting around it, Rutherford. Chromosomes, specially the gonadal chromosomes define gender. Period. These people having sex change operations are seriously mentally ill and anyone honest, including you, knows it.

  216. Remember way back when there was some guy who claimed Obama liked to give blowjobs in exchange for cocaine and everyone said that was preposterous tabloid nonsense?

    Yeah….

    As for this whole gender identity crap, read up on John Money and David Reimer.

  217. These people having sex change operations are seriously mentally ill and anyone honest, including you, knows it.

    I certainly believe they are mentally ill but I’m not 100% sure I have the credentials to “know” it. When it comes to trannies, I feel like Archie Bunker. I wish them no ill will but I’m bigoted against them.

  218. I guess it was the other way around, but the guy’s name that was spreading it is Larry Sinclair.

    “cock holster” was recently uttered by Stephen Colbert, who, of course, faced no homophobic backlash because he was saying it about Donald Trump.

  219. “LOL I’ve heard pole smoker but cock holster is a new one.”

    Heard it today from Colbert. He said Trump was Putin’s cock holster. Touched off the usual partisan shouting match.

    Personally, I found it funny. But the reaction is a damn study in the left’s unyielding double standards.

  220. Anyone have any thoughts on the Kimmel monologue that went viral?

    I’m on a fence. I almost admire those who withstood the emotional TNT and said “sorry your baby was sick but not my obligation to pay for his medical care”. That’s some cold shit but you gotta admire the sticking to principle in the face of a real tear-jerk story.

  221. I’ve been thinking this whole Colbert, a maggot and gutless coward by any other name, through. And here’s what I don’t understand. No need to fire the guy or boycott the advertisers. That is what the Left does.

    Why doesn’t Trump and Co. simply prevent CBS from anything of importance? Punish the entire worthless network. No interviews, no questions asked, no press briefings, no blah blah blah. I mean don’t advertise it. Just scorn the entire network like the Leftists do to FOX. Treat them like a pariah.

    That was incredibly effective when Trump did that to Pravda on the Potomac during the primary. Pissed those slugs off something senseless. Just shit on them.

    Nothing illegal, just fuck CBS over when given the chance. Make them utterly irrelevant – treat them like Comedy Central. And mock them continually with stuff like Deface the Nation. Call them liars, rank propagandists, and call Colbert a 3ft vagina head. Make it personal as hell.

    People will love Trump for it – at least the only people that matter.

  222. Tex did you see what Trump did to John Dickerson? The left is spinning that it made Trump look bad but actually I think Dickerson looked worse. Basically he was bitch-slapped.

  223. I think I have given Rutherford enough time and this has been on my mind.

    Muffy…you said you had an opinion and/or insight regarding the Making a Murderer story. I’m curious as to what it is. Thanks in advance.

  224. From now on any time Trump doesn’t want to answer a question he should just say it’s above his pay grade.

  225. From now on any time Trump doesn’t want to answer a question he should just say it’s above his pay grade.

    😆 😆 Huck, that’s stroke of genius. Or Trump could invite SeeBS and just answer their interview questions with absolutely flippant shit for 15 minutes and then walk out unannounced.

    Dickerson: President Trump, do you have any shred of proof Barack Obama was wiretapping Trump Tower?

    Trump: I make the best wine in the world, John. Have you tried our Sauvignon? Delicious. Truly a terrific wine. Truly terrific.

    Dickerson: President Trump, once again do you have any shred of proof Barack Obama was wiretapping Trump Tower?

    Trump: Did I mention Ivanka’s dress brand is now the number one seller in China? China! We’re going to make the best dresses in China! Terrific dresses. No President has ever done it before – give my daughter a little free advertisement on Deface the Nation.

  226. I mentioned Kimmel earlier, Rutherford. His story was heart-rending, but we all know it is far from unique. I don’t understand why he was so weepy.

    A teenaged girl died after being hit by a train at the same crossing which hit us. Her family also didn’t get so emotional.

    I haven’t seen any locals express such open emotion.

    I wonder if it comes from our more stoic northern European culture.

    Jimmy was wrong in several areas. A hospital gives treatment to anyone who enters its doors.

    He was also wrong about Obamacare. In some parts of the country, the Affordable Care act made the baby’s survival less likely.

    He said without ObamaCare some babies would not live. Kimmel implied that the law would make treatment of all babies equal, but true equality is a dream.

    Let him tell the same story if his baby came into the world at Valentine, Nebraska or Pine Ridge, South Dakota.

    Jimmy should have told his story and left politics out of it. Democrats should have done the same. They converted a heart warming story into something taudry.

  227. R’s intellectual friends Mika and Joe are engaged! How sweet!

    I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    Well I guess when conservatives get sexually harassed they sue.
    When liberals get sexually harassed, they marry. 😦

    So much for “know your value”. What a fucking joke.

  228. So if Bill Nye is now editing his Netflix episodes to please his new transgender friends, does that make him a science denier?

  229. I’m thinking Kimmel’s insurance is better than most Americans. I didn’t see his promo for socialism though so maybe I’m out of line.

  230. “Clinton: ‘If the election had been on October 27, I would be your president’”

    And as we now know, she can thank her husband and Loretta Lynch for that.

  231. “So much for “know your value”. What a fucking joke.”

    Didn’t your old lady go see the Girl Power convention put on by the Queen of Nepotism (n/k/a Bubbles Scarborough)?

    Yeah Bubbles accomplishments and insights sure make her a mighty valuable asset. 😆

  232. I’m still not sure I care for the health care bill that just passed the House, but I do give Paul Ryan and Co. credit for doing the legwork in negotiation and amendments needed to get it through. THAT is what leaders are supposed to do.

  233. The Senate will choke but it is good to a plan that slides us back to sanity get its due.
    The lies are deep on the AHCA and that’s unfortunate to say the least. I think it important and interesting that the hospitals lobby hates it.
    I’m curious how many Freedom Caucus states would go after waivers.

  234. Didn’t your old lady go see the Girl Power convention put on by the Queen of Nepotism

    I haven’t had a chance to discuss the upcoming nuptials with my better half but I have to think she’s a bit disappointed today. Although she did message me that this courtship has been the worst kept secret going. It was totally news to me. My e-Richter scale may be off but I honestly sense zero sexual tension between them.

  235. “My e-Richter scale may be off but I honestly sense zero sexual tension between them.”

    That’s cause they’re having sweaty animal sex between cuts.

    But you are oblivious as fuck.

  236. I don’t trust anything anyone says about pre-existing conditions from the right or the left and especially Trump. He has no idea what the fuck is going on.

  237. “I don’t trust anything anyone says about pre-existing conditions from the right or the left and especially Trump. He has no idea what the fuck is going on.”

    Please elaborate.

  238. Oh God, the hystrionics on MSNBC over the repeal of Obama care.

    Rutherford all wee-wee’d up in 5. . . 4. . . 3 . . . 2. . .

  239. “Oh God, the hystrionics on MSNBC over the repeal of Obama care.”

    Those are the same people who would have given us Hillary. Never forget how close we came to getting Her.

    So we’re good.

  240. “Muffy…you said you had an opinion and/or insight regarding the Making a Murderer story. I’m curious as to what it is. Thanks in advance.”

    Yeah, I can’t remember what it was though. Grr. I’ll let you know if I think of it.

    What do you think?

  241. Trump should call a press conference and tell the Demroids “if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period.”

  242. The Carvils are from two political parties. Mika and Joe are also from two political parties. That is the only similarity I was writing about.

    I agree with Muffy. No matter how bad the Republicans are, they are better than the Democrats.

    I’m sure Kimmel’s insurance and income are better than most. So are his location and connections. He wandered into socialized medical care and insurance near the end of his monologue.

  243. I like the song.

    The more I think of it, and my personal experience with unresolved tragedies and the people who publicly controlled themselves the more inclined I am to think Jimmy is an overly emotional weiner.

    I may be judging him too harshly based on my peers’ reactions to adversity. His using his son for a political point is cheap.

  244. “Those are the same people who would have given us Hillary. Never forget how close we came to getting Her.

    So we’re good.”

    You’re absolutely right. I need to have that tattooed on my arm as a reminder.

  245. His using his son for a political point is cheap.

    I’m torn on the Kimmel monologue. I fully see your point. The precedent for this was David Letterman thanking his surgical team after open heart surgery and actually bringing them on stage. The HUGE difference he wasn’t making a political statement.

    In fact until the end, I thought that was where Jimmy was headed: a tribute to the folks who saved his baby’s life. Inserting politics turned the whole thing upside down.

  246. The average citizen doesn’t have the time to read a 200+ page bill. That is why it verges on criminal that no one can be trusted to represent the bill honestly.

    P.S. to Alfie, as with Obamacare, many GOPers who voted for it did not READ THE BILL!!!!

  247. I will repeat what I believe to be the only two choices:

    1) Universal healthcare via Medicare for all

    OR

    2) The Fed gets completely out of the health insurance business and the free market decides who lives or dies.

  248. The genie is out of the bottle. I agree with Krauthammer. We will have single-payer within 7 years. People now have expectations regarding health care and those expectations include government.

  249. So the woman with political influence that couldn’t lead an election against Trump is now going to try to lead a resistance against Trump while having no political influence?

    As Ace points out (through a quote), what motivation does anyone have to give Hillary money now that she has nothing to offer in return?

    Ace says she is going to collect money and then give that money to various resistance groups. Ummmm….so why wouldn’t people just give to a resistance group? Why does the nation’s abeula need to play middle man?

    (Of course, that is a rhetorical question. She needs to play middle man so that her and Bill won’t go back to being dead broke.)

  250. I can’t wait until the paper trail shows Hillary funding By Any Means Necessary, Antifa, and other violent leftists.

  251. @ Rutherford your #2 is the better option but the drama needs to be dialed down. If one really dives deep into OECD statistics you find that none of the much heralded systems are really all that superior to the USA other than the obvious and idiotic “Who’s covered” category.
    I put it that way because the USA has a population that dwarfs the other members. We have a diversity unheard of amongst the others. We have freedom the others do not have. We have an economic model inconsistent with UC. It is because of these four components anything resembling the OECD states programs would be an utter failure with the very stretched exclusion of the German model. The USA could perhaps make that one work and conservatives could possibly accept it the most.

  252. Now I always get slammed as the MSNBC fed drama queen but if there were more honest brokers here, I wouldn’t have to comment on stuff like this:

    Trump compares US unfavorably to Australia vis-a-vis health care and Australia has … wait for it … universal coverage.

    Now if any of you partisan hacks would report these boners by our clown president, I wouldn’t have to.

  253. “I don’t trust anything anyone says about pre-existing conditions from the right or the left and especially Trump. He has no idea what the fuck is going on.”

    Again, what the fuck does this mean?

  254. “Now if any of you partisan hacks would report these boners by our clown president, I wouldn’t have to.”

    Oh, thank God you’re here. Did you hear he said something about the job of president being hard?

  255. I will say this (but in defense, just observation), Obamacare is imploding. A “better” healthcare system does not mean one we should aspire to emulate.

  256. “not in defense”

    p.s. I had to go look up the comments because Rutherford is not an honest broker and usually repeats the twisted MSNBC version of things never questioning it and usually having it blow up in his face. But what Trump said was boneheaded as fuck.

  257. Rutherford, you and I took the same trip. Like you, I didn’t doubt until the last few sentences, and like you, I remembered David Letterman’s tribute.

  258. I don’t know much about Australia’s health insurance / care system, maybe it is better, or not. However, I think before his Republican days, Trump supported some form of universal care.

    Trump is an onion wearing a thin veneer of Republicanism over a more liberal interior. His thoughts float as randomly as a downtown street breeze, and sometimes even he may not know the ending of a sentence when he begins to speak.

    It is a problem. Perhaps his staff could wire him with electrodes so that when his tongue explores dangerous territory they could zap him.

  259. The Finish fragmented national insurance system is one of the better ones, but translating it to our large, diverse nation would probably squander any benefits it offered.
    You should visit Canada, Rutherford. It is a beautiful, friendly country. Most of its people live within four hundred miles of the southern border for a reason. Canada is much like Russia, empty because like Russia, the land will not support many people under present climate conditions.

  260. “Trump is an onion wearing a thin veneer of Republicanism over a more liberal interior. His thoughts float as randomly as a downtown street breeze, and sometimes even he may not know the ending of a sentence when he begins to speak.”

    Well put.

  261. I also agree with Huck.

    Many Republicans may not have read the bill, but the same is true of Democrats. In 2009, not even Obama had read the bill that carried his name.

    The press and liberal politicians weren’t very worried about the Democrats’ failure to understand the inner workings of ObamaCare, and they have little moral justification for criticizing Republicans this time. Both failed alike.

    Therefore, extreme critics of this vote can go the Hell.

  262. I have been recovering from border line pneumonia. I was home most of the week because I felt too sick to be anywhere else. My wife was with our grand daughter in Omaha.

    After our grand daughter learned about death with the expiration of their beloved dog, she asked our ages and reasoned that as the oldest, I would be the first to die.

    My wife called to see how I was, and our grand daughter wanted to talk also. Her first question was “Are you going to die this week?”

    I visited the doctor on Wednesday before spending Thursday in Omaha. The nurse practitioner was worried about me. She prescribed antibiotics, a nebulizer, and a mucous thinner.

    I read the side effects and wondered if the cure was worse than the disease. The next morning, I told my son in law about the scary side effects, and he said they had done a story about the side effects on their tv station.

    I later talked to a couple of friends who had taken the medicine and told me to avoid it.

    I have decided not to take any more of the medicine.

    Our health costs would be lower if people educated themselves or used on line or telephone resources for information. Many doctor’s visits, probably including mine are unnecessary.

  263. Rutherford the OECD list of nations is pretty funny. The nation that is #2 population wise is………Japan.
    The list is a great example of “you can make statistics say what you want to hear”.
    One I find interesting is after a litany of bashing America there’s the average wait for an operation for a hip fracture They preen about how close they get to two days….the USA isn’t included in the list and it ain’t because we take like 15 days.

  264. I think the WH explanation is logical. I don’t think their conclusion is but that’s not what the lobbies are hard on about is it?

  265. @ James when I had pneumonia the chief of pulmonary dept at Boston’s Beth Israel was very animated when he looked at the x-ray and proclaimed “that’s a pneumonia”. I was not good. Z-Pak and Albuterol and lung expansion exercises….no mucous thinners. Z-Pak was the 3 day nuclear option dose.

  266. Thanks, muffy. The comments were also informative. We have liked watching Jimmy Kimmel because he has been less overtly political. However, that has been changing after the election, and Jimmy’s latest stunt may lead to our firing him from our home.

    Thank you too, Alfie. The potential side effects made me nervous, and comments from neighbors and the television station report our son=in law helped prepare made me even more nervous. I was supposed to use the Z-Pak until next Thursday, and you called it a three day nuclear option dose.

    That might have been appropriate four years ago when my fever reached 105.2, but not this time. Your comment was the final straw to convince me. I am not taking any of the medication, now. I am feeling better anyway and feel more sure of my decision.

  267. Again, what the fuck does this mean?

    I will split it in two for you. First the easy part: 90% of the time Trump talks out of his ass. So Trump has zero idea what’s in the bill.

    Second, the bill is subject to partisan spin from both sides. Especially where preexisting conditions are concerned I don’t know who to believe. The WAPO Fact Checker says those who live in states that get the waiver, who have allowed their insurance to lapse for at least two months will only be able to get very expensive plans. “Access” to something unaffordable isn’t access at all. But WAPO skews lib so are they distorting?

    Even the CBO (which hasn’t scored the version that passed) is no longer trusted by whichever party gets the short end of the CBO stick.

  268. I am starting to envision my last day at work.

    It’s not pretty.

    I’ve been asked to speak at a faculty senate meeting (of which I am not a member) when they take a vote of no confidence on the university president. It is looking to be a contentious meeting. If I do speak, I can all but assure nobody from either side will like what I have to say.

    Fuck ’em all….

  269. Huck…..if there is a mic…you have to…..HAVE TO….drop it. So jealous right now. Fantasy Island opportunity.

  270. I cared enough in 2009 to read the bill and call our representatives almost daily. We argued on the phone with the news media including nationals, and even ARRP. I knew this failure would come because it was built into the law. The Canadians who visit Omaha for medical treatment is another sign that liberals lied to us about other health systems.

    This time, I care more about feeling well enough to plant garden crops. The Republican bill as it is has as much chance of becoming law as our doctor gave my wife and son when an ambulance rushed them fifty miles to a bigger hospital hours before he was born.

    The Senate will change the law, and maybe the new version will pass.
    Results will tell us the truth. Until then, this is all speculation.

  271. I want everyone to consider the strength of Rutherford’s arguments about our present “clown President” and the reminder more refugees are walking the planet today than at anytime since recent history. I want everyone to remember Rutherford’s bold claims that Obama would heal the planet in 2008 and think about who is it that is the clown again?

    And then I want everyone to watch this less than 4 minute video and most importantly, read the comments from Korea and the end of the video and see if you remember Obama the Great in all his “greatness” again.

  272. Tex has finally fully bought into the Trump regime, now using a Russian propaganda outfit as his source for news.

    The hacker was a 300lb guy in his mothers basement, right Tex?

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