A Story Without Heroes

In a country split down the middle into two irreconcilable factions exacerbated by confirmation-bias readers and an Internet all too eager to please them, I look around and see a pretty hopeless situation. Let’s take stock of where we are, rewinding back about two years.

In March of 2015, Texas Senator Ted Cruz announced his intention to run for President. He was soon followed by Rand Paul of Kentucky. These were the first two Republicans to jump in the race. Both men were known for distinct philosophies about government. You might not like them but you can’t deny they stood for something. They were serious candidates. On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was the first to announce. Sadly, in that instance, we had someone with no convincing ideology and a party ready on day 1 to coronate her. Bernie Sanders, Martin O’Malley, Lincoln Chaffee and finally Jim Webb would step up to challenge her but in the end only Sanders posed any real threat and that threat was never really taken seriously by the Democratic party or the main stream media.

On June 15, after a prolonged tease, Jeb Bush jumped into the GOP race and was immediately assumed to be the front-runner. Despite the rocky presidency of his brother hanging over him, Jeb was still believed to be the “smart” Bush. Many were already predicting another Bush/Clinton face-off, the first being in 1992 when Hillary’s husband, Bill, defeated Jeb’s father, George HW Bush.

Just one day later, everything changed. A moderately successful real estate mogul, branding genius and star of a popular American TV reality series, descended the escalator in the building bearing his name, to the tune of Neil Young’s “Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World”. He announced not only that he was running for President but that his core raison d’être was to keep illegal immigrants out of the country. His indelicate assessment that Mexico was not “sending us their best” but was instead sending us “rapists” threw the left into a collective conniption and made some on the right uneasy. Thus was born the presidential candidacy of Donald J. Trump.

And at this time the dishonesty in the media also went into high gear. Trump’s attack, no matter how rude, was limited to people entering the country illegally. The media and the left in general immediately conflated this to anti-Mexican and anti-immigrant. You repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Trump was an anti-Latino bigot.

But of course, Trump didn’t stop there. It seemed almost every week was taken up with some new whopper thrown down by Trump either deliberately (McCain is not a war hero – “I prefer people who don’t get captured”) or via leak (“I can grab them by the pussy”). And it seemed almost every week, the media counted him down and out. In the meantime, the 16 men and one woman who opposed him, one by one dropped out of the race. Perhaps the most devastating admission of defeat came from Jeb Bush on February 20, 2016. The establishment candidate who many believed would carry on the Bush dynasty, was called “low energy” by a loud-mouth, know-nothing carnival barker and the label stuck. Other labels would define other candidates – Little Marco (Rubio), Lyin’ Ted (Cruz). In fact, even Cruz’s father was not immune from attack with Trump implicitly implicating him in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. It seemed, the more outrageous Trump got, the more his base loved him and the more his party (it was never really his party) feared him and reconciled themselves to his eventual nomination.

On the Dem side, the contest came down to an idealist with pie in the sky plans for America that promised way more than a chicken in every pot and a front-runner who had been careless at best and criminal at worst in her handling of classified materials while Secretary of State. Supporters of the idealist, Sanders, could not convince the identity-politics driven elite of the Democratic party to abandon their first potential “woman President”. As a result, Hillary Clinton, one of the least trusted politicians in the country won the Democratic nomination – odds of winning be damned. The arrogant position that beating Trump was a slam-dunk set in almost immediately.

Then Wikileaks, the “truth telling” organization run by Julian Assange, started releasing little bird droppings all over the Clinton campaign, portraying the campaign as targeting Sanders’ lack of religious conviction and other unflattering revelations. The revelations were culled from stolen emails from the DNC and John Podesta (whose email password was “password”).  It is currently assessed (using proof we the people are not allowed to see) that Russian hackers at the explicit behest of Vladimir Putin were employed by Assange in an attempt to weaken Clinton’s eventual presidency (reports are that even Putin did not expect Trump to win).

In November of 2016 the woman who did not deserve to be President was defeated by the man who had no business running in the first place.

Fast forward to today. We have a President totally ignorant of how government works, with zero incentive to learn. His Twitter account which was amusing during the campaign has not been shut down and is now the source of accusations serious enough to either raise the question of criminality of the previous administration OR raise the question of the current President’s mental health.

Where is the hero, the white knight, who will rescue us from this fiasco? Nowhere to be found. The Democratic party unable to admit they chose the worst candidate in a century, has morphed Russian propaganda and influence on American opinion (to be expected) into “election hacking”. Let’s be crystal clear. Trump won this election fair and square. He exceeded the number of electoral votes needed to win – popular vote be damned. The Russians didn’t tamper with the voting machines. But you wouldn’t know that from listening to the Democratic party.

The media won’t help us either. Their lies throughout the Trump campaign were called out by the nominee and now President. Their reaction has not been introspection. They are defensive and doubling down. We have a mainstream media whose feelings are hurt and they are more interested now in bringing down Trump than getting at the truth. So, we really cannot depend on them to defend us from a serial liar who is very possibly mentally disturbed in a way that disqualifies him from the Presidency. The credibility of the media, upon whom we rely to get at the truth, is seriously compromised.

Last week, we witnessed the symbolic cherry on the shit cupcake.Ted Cruz once called Donald Trump a “sniveling coward” for humiliating Cruz’s wife and insulting his father. Last week he went to the White House for dinner with Trump. He took his wife and his kids with him. Truly puke-worthy.

And thus ends this chapter in the story with no heroes. The country is at an all time low with no relief in sight. The story is not over but it does not look like we are in for a happy ending.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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428 thoughts on “A Story Without Heroes

  1. Where is the hero, the white knight, who will rescue us from this fiasco? Nowhere to be found.

    Easy to tell you are a product of disney’s indoctrination. You have happilyeverafter syndrome.

    Trump’s presidency was planned long ago. There have been hints given in the media for decades. He is doing exactly as intended since nothing has been left to happenstance. The Bern was intended to do exactly what he did. Nothing in politics is spontaneous or organic. Oligarchs always win.

  2. Ted Cruz, who once called Donald Trump a “sniveling coward” who had insulted him, his wife and his father, went to the White House for dinner with Trump.
    This sentence is fucked up.

  3. I honestly don’t understand your post. That it gets an opening comment that just makes me shudder at adding to the thread is worth mentioning to some degree.
    Help me understand your post.

  4. Do I need to bring up Rep King and the faux rage ? Although I’d say he’s proof positive that social media and sound bites doth not good public policy make the SJW rampage is tone deaf and utterly retarded. Of course that is coming from folks who insist on adding #muslimban to the American political lexicon along with Russia hack.

  5. “John Podesta (whose email password was “password”). ”

    Pedesta’s email password wasn’t actually “password”…I think his windows password was.

  6. I’m not seeing anyone emerging as a Democratic party leader in a time when the party should be screaming for one. It still has not learned that your only platform cannot be opposition. You have to stand FOR something and give people a reason to be excited and support you.

    The GOP are being a bunch of candy-asses, too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump does a 1-and-done just because of the bullshit. If so, there are no Republican standouts. I think we can do away with the previous Paul Ryan speculations, at this point.

    If things continue to take shape as they have been, I am not kidding when I say Ivanka Trump could be the 1st woman president. We simply have no leaders in this country right now. If there are some, they’d better start showing some damn leadership.

  7. Help me understand your post.

    Well, on those grounds, the post failed.

    Usually even nonpartisans can figure out the good guy from the bad guy. The past two years represent a narrative with no hero. Not a damn person worth pinning ones hopes on.

    We are left now with the United States of Hypocrisy. Everyone is full of shit. The President, the GOP foes who now kiss his ass, the Dem party and the media who oppose him.

    There’s no one to root for. No one to believe in.

    Perhaps I’m just not good at writing about the theme of despair.

    I tried to build a narrative of normal expectations being turned on their head resulting in a total clusterfuck.

  8. It still has not learned that your only platform cannot be opposition. You have to stand FOR something and give people a reason to be excited and support you.

    They are stealing from the GOP playbook for the past 8 years, which in turn stole from the Dem playbook of 2001-2009. Being nothing more than the opposition party has become SOP in Washington.

    Trouble is 8 years of that gets you real rusty on DOING something. That’s the spot the GOP finds itself in right now.

    I don’t share your pessimism about Ryan. I still think he is the party’s best hope at this time.

  9. Here’s what I think. 🙂

    Contrary to Trump being a patsy for Russia, I think he scares the hell out of both Russia and China, who had grown accustomed to a sniveling coward named Obama. Clinton would have been bad, but not as bad as Obama on the foreign front. You can’t get any worse. North Korea is as much a thorn in the side of China, as it is South Korea. That country is spinning out of control. Simply contain them.

    In my opinion, the Republican Congress should vote immediately for a middle class tax cut, leaving the over 300K+ as is, shutting off the stupid, parroted message of the Left. But the real key is cutting the corporate taxes, which almost would assuredly hold the market steady and increase growth. It’s possible the debt would blow up further. Were already so helpless indebted, it can’t be helped now. Got to grow the tax base, then work on balancing a budget. Lower the capital gains back to Bush levels. Use an infrastructure bill as leverage, where applicable. It’s a win-win.

    The party of stupid management, henceforth known as the Republican Congress and even some neocon conservatives, need to understand you can’t simply unwind Obamacare in one bill. That should be done in incremental steps, but get after it.

    Begin to build a wall were strategically where necessary, increase the number of patrols, and slow illegals to a trickle. It’s already trending there. Punish the sanctuary cities – it’s a winning issue. Fire as many of the Obama hires as humanly possible, and cut the hell out of the number of federal jobs where applicable.

    Get your elected SCOTUS in immediately, nuclear if necessary.

    That’s a start…there are a million things that need to get done, but these should be first priority IMO. No longer than eighteen months, the tax stuff done this year.

  10. “Trouble is 8 years of that gets you real rusty on DOING something. That’s the spot the GOP finds itself in right now.”

    I’d buy that.

    “I don’t share your pessimism about Ryan. I still think he is the party’s best hope at this time.”

    That wasn’t my point.

    He’s not electable in an age where Trump is and he’s not off to a good start with this House health bill. I don’t know enough about it to say whether it is good or bad, but I don’t hear it being perceived or received as good and that’s what voters are going to hear.

    Both parties are ripe for a shooting star. I don’t necessarily find that to be a good thing.

  11. There’s no one to root for. No one to believe in
    Okay I see your problem now as noted above. This isn’t the Matrix we’re not looking for the One,in fact we tried that 08-16 & it panned out pretty bad. What we should be rooting for and believing in is the country.
    The USA finds itself at one of those moments in history where as dismal as things look the solution is as clear as it is apparently unacceptable.
    The Congress Critters need to man up and do their job. In doing so they need to basically allow Trump to go down in history as a transformative and better than most POTUS. Surely you can hear the gagging but it’s true.

    1)Lowering the corporate tax rates will go farther than anything else in ending the offshoring stuff. This will allow a spike in jobs and an influx of revenue.
    2)Securing the border and assuring our national sovereignty is a fundamental responsibility of government. There should be “walls” just as there must be “doors”.
    3)Our infrastructure building capabilities are outdated and need immediate resuscitative measures.
    4)Domestic safety and security allows for good things to happen.This cuts across all racial,social and economic lines.
    5)The ACA is a component of bad governance that is destroying the economy.
    6)The Constitution isn’t the hardest read,we need to stick with original intent.

    Rutherford mull over how you feel about this half dozen of points and and then decide where you are. All in all cheer up.

  12. O.T. Wife and I were burnt out on basketball, so last night like a couple of high school sweethearts, we went for a popcorn movie that was supposed to be fun – Skull Island, Kong. Movie theater packed at 8:00PM on a Sunday?

    Save your matinee fee. Hardly a Red Box. A real clinker. Good special effects, lame story line. Should have known.

  13. My son was the favorite to win the first of two state championships. He went down in flames. Poor kid.

    It will motivate him more than any win would. I think we’ve got a prodigy in the making. 😉

  14. I apologize if I’m late to the party on this one but it relates directly with something Rutherford wrote in this post regards the media.
    Has everyone seen the WaPo new header that states:
    Democracy dies in Darkness”
    What a bunch of pretentious retards.
    I also suffered through a Slate piece celebrating the beat down on free speech on campuses. The Left has totally and utterly lost its collective mind. If they figure it out the GOP could easily set ass whooping to new levels.

  15. OMG the Left really is retarded. So I just read an article at the Atlantic that trumpets the CBO’s report that 14 MILLION Americans would lose their insurance in 2018 alone…..
    14 million people is the CBO projection of how many people would DROP coverage when the mandate is abolished!!!!!
    I’ve got to go tell WaPo that the Atlantic is putting a heavy shroud of bullshit on democracy….I mean they’ll want to know right?

  16. Movie theater packed at 8:00PM on a Sunday?

    I haven’t been in a packed theater in literally years. It’s to the point I wonder how the studios break even.

  17. 14 million people is the CBO projection of how many people would DROP coverage when the mandate is abolished!!!!!

    The number I heard was 28 million about half of which are folks who won’t buy because they no longer have to.

  18. Brother Nate is an antisemitic asshole but he makes one good point in that otherwise worthless video: if Sessions had met with the Israeli ambassador, they could have discussed the overthrow of America and no one would have batted an eye.

    If Nate focused on the current Israeli regime he might be convincing. Unfortunately he’s preoccupied with Jews in general which just makes him an asshole.

  19. Republicans are holding Trump more accountable in 6 weeks than Democrats held Obama in 8 years.

    Can anyone recall a single Democrat telling Obama to put up or shut up?….ever?

  20. Can anyone recall a single Democrat telling Obama to put up or shut up?….ever?

    Obama wasn’t CRAZY. Eventually you’ll stop making the false equivalencies.

  21. Alfie I skimmed the PDF. It looks like 14 million next year (as you said) with no known breakout of who drops out voluntarily. I think I read a long term projection of 52 million.

    The only clearly good news in the report is the effect on the deficit. If the report is to be believed, AHCA is a shit sandwich. Or to be more erudite, the cure looks worse than the disease.

  22. This is not the best video (it’s a bit obnoxious) but the point still stands. I used to like Kellyanne Conway but now she needs to work behind the scenes and STFU. She’s an embarrassment and she’s not doing Trump any favors.

  23. “Obama wasn’t CRAZY. Eventually you’ll stop making the false equivalencies.”

    But he was a near constant liar, so it isn’t a false equivalency.

    My statement stands and is quite accurate. You know it’s true, that’s why your need to deflect.

  24. Do I need to bring up Rep King and the faux rage?

    The main reason the rage makes no sense is that sometimes an asshole is just an asshole and you stop paying attention to him.

    The only reason I would agree with the “faux” assessment is that the rage gives libs the opportunity to show how “tolerant” they are … tolerant from the comfort of their Lilly white neighborhoods.

  25. Huck, there are lies, damn lies and CRAZY lies. Like I said, keep thinking this president should be measured against any of his predecessors and you’re off on the wrong foot.

    I take that back … I think Andrew Johnson was a drunk.

  26. Rutherford, how many Democrats told Obama to prove people could keep their plan and their doctor under ObamaCare?

    How many Democrats told Obama to prove he was creating shovel-ready jobs?

    I’ve got 8 years worth, you want me to continue?

  27. “Huck, there are lies, damn lies and CRAZY lies.”

    And both are lies. Democrats never asked Obama to prove any of his.

    We can play this game all night. I’m right and you know it.

    Democrats shielded and defended Obama’s lies and Republicans are telling Trump to prove his.

    Just like DR said would happen.

  28. Huck, sales is to some extent over promising. Obama was selling ACA and no doubt parroting what he was briefed.

    Do you see me condemning Trump for his advocacy of AHCA? No. To be expected. Tweeting that your predecessor is a felon? Not to be expected. CRAZY.

    John McCain has strange Tourette’s like outbursts of stand-up ethics. When he tells Trump to back the claim or retract it, he’s right on the money. McCain also wouldn’t let bigots hijack his 2008 campaign. Like I said – sudden inexplicably bursts of decency.

  29. We can play this game all night. I’m right and you know it.

    Sorry, there’s a clear difference between someone who lies in full possession of his faculties and someone whose lies emanate from a mixture of delusion and poor self restraint.

    The GOP is giving Trump a bit of resistance because many of them are privately thinking “OH GOD!!! WHAT HAVE WE DONE?”

  30. You mean the type of self-restraint that issues red lines to foreign leaders?

    You can’t type for shit because you’re full of it.

    Lies are lies. What motivates the lies is secondary to that fact. “Obama bugged my phone” is no different than “this attacked was brought on by a disgusting Internet video.”

    Democrats ran cover for Obama’s lies and never asked him to prove them. Not once. Ever.

  31. “Obama was selling ACA and no doubt parroting what he was briefed.”

    Oh, I see.

    So when Obama parrots from sources you approve of, then its all just good salesmanship.

    When Trump parrots Breitbart, he’s lost his mind and we’re in a national crisis.

    You might need more time off.

  32. Huck I feel bad for you. Any other president, Bush, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, fuck even Pataki and you could sit on your high horse and scream about hypocrisy.

    But you didn’t get those guys. You got a guy who thinks the ravings of Mark Levin constitute evidence. You’ve got a guy who said it was sunny (when it rained); that 3 million folks voted illegally (when they didn’t); that he had the biggest electoral victory since Reagan (when he didn’t by far).

    Accusations of hypocrisy only go so far in defense of a madman.

    Hang in there. I don’t think you’ll even have to wait until 2020 for the pain to end. I think President Pence will help you with your hypocrisy crusade. 😀

  33. “You got a guy who thinks the ravings of Mark Levin constitute evidence. You’ve got a guy who said it was sunny (when it rained); that 3 million folks voted illegally (when they didn’t); that he had the biggest electoral victory since Reagan (when he didn’t by far).”

    Is that your “Trump is crazy” case?

    Dismissed.

  34. LUNATIC.

    The INSANE ravings of Mark Levin remain unaddressed.

    Yet the CRAZY conspiracy of Trump’s DELUSIONAL collusion with Rooskies is still being sold at MSNBC. It’s DERANGED.

  35. Any other president, Bush, Paul, Cruz, Rubio, fuck even Pataki and you could sit on your high horse and scream about hypocrisy.

    ** PUKE ** ** VOMIT **

    Oh please. Had any one of the above made President, there would have been an assortment of blame assessment and wild conjecture, masquerading as facts pointing to insanity and incompetence. The words would just be different, except for Cruz, who would have had the added boogeyman of Dominionist to the same assembly Trump receives now.

  36. ” Take it from Bubble Boy.”

    Bubble boy doesn’t even have a feel for the grotesque eco system that exists in his dank bathroom, not alone the real world.

  37. This exchange is proof that Rutherford is still gulping down the Kool Aid.

    He just cannot bring himself to admit that Republicans are doing what Democrats never did.

    It’s a very simple concept, Rutherford. It isn’t altered by varying degrees of factors you want to throw in to try and negate it. It’s inarguable.

    Obama lied his ass off and made completely bullshit claims for 8 years and his party did nothing but provide him cover the entire time. And Republicans aren’t doing that for Trump. They are taking him to task on his Twitter claims. They are taking him to task on his health care claims. I’m sure when The Wall discussion really gets going we’ll see more of it.

    None of this is about hypocrisy. It’s about “we told you so”. DR told you that electing Trump would bring oversight not seen in generations. Oversight from the press. Oversight from the opposition party. And oversight from his own party. And it is only taking 6 weeks for him to be proven correct.

  38. I’m behind on comments so if this has already been stated, my apologies.

    It might be a worthwhile exercise for the CBO to re-evaluate ACA and then compare its current trajectory to its predictions about the new AHCA. If the ACA is a shit sandwich with vomit dressing, the AHCA might be a shit sandwich minus the dressing and taste a bit better.

  39. Keep in mind AHCA analysis by CBO is ludicrously limited to only the first prong. HHS administrative action and follow up/through legislation is not included.
    We know where ACA is going. The truth is nobody knows really how AHCA rolls out.
    Personally I think it will do nothing for providing better care but will positively impact people financially allowing for better stuff down the road. I’m also actually a little excited in a wonky way about states getting a crack @ Medicaid innovation.
    Not for nothing but Medicaid innovation was a key component to Romney Care.

  40. Dennis Kucinich says the Obama Administration had illegal phone transcripts on him and he produced evidence to prove it.

    Is he a lunatic, Rutherford?

    Trump might be wrong about the wire tap, but we know people were being illegally listened to, and we know they were being listened to in Trump Tower. Why does his belief it included him make him a lunatic? Because Crying Mika said so?

    That’s a rhetorical question, of course. Had Trump asserted that the IC tapped his phones we wouldn’t have seen any tears or outrage. But he said Obama did it. That makes him insane.

    Surely the guy who got all of his important news from the morning paper knew nothing about anyone in the opposition party campaign being listened in on….even though he took the entire election so personally that he claimed it would be an insult to him and a black mark on his legacy if the opposition won. And only a lunatic would believe otherwise.

  41. Had any one of the above made President, there would have been an assortment of blame assessment and wild conjecture …

    You’re in denial. With the possible exception of Ben Carson, any of the other primary candidates would have been accepted as “normal” presidents had they won. Then they would have received the same partisan bullshit coverage that George W. Bush got.

    This constant attempt to normalize Trump is what makes these conversations hard – and quite frankly what hurts your credibility.

    The Trump administration is a dumpster fire. Your closing your eyes, plugging your ears and screaming “na na na” doesn’t change that.

  42. “You’re in denial. With the possible exception of Ben Carson, any of the other primary candidates would have been accepted as “normal” presidents had they won. Then they would have received the same partisan bullshit coverage that George W. Bush got.”

    Remember when Rutherford told us that Ted Cruz was so hated by even fellow Senate Republicans that he would never be able to get anything done if elected?

    I do.

  43. “The Trump administration is a dumpster fire. Your closing your eyes, plugging your ears and screaming “na na na” doesn’t change that.”

    What a hoot coming from you. 😆

    He’s making America Great Again and you can’t stand it! 😆

  44. This constant attempt to normalize Trump is what makes these conversations hard – and quite frankly what hurts your credibility.

    Uh huh. Except all of here remember you “abnormalizing” somebody as milquetoast as Mitt Romney for his underwear, his dog on top of the station wagon, his corporate raiding of companies, his wanting the 80s foreign policy back, yada yada yada…

    Like I said a few times before. You’ve resorted back to Rachel Maddow mode and are now back at home where you belong. Critiquing with the assistance of talking TV heads. Of all the people on here, you ought to be the most joyous of all. You’re back to parroting bylines, what you do best, instead of defending the indefensible for your pitiful previous President.

  45. I think there’s some dog whistle racism going on with all of these attempts to delegitimize the first orange president.

  46. Yes, the Democratic party echo chamber is still going strong. Rutherford is a part of it.

    It’s easy to distinguish them because they all use the same terms. Words like “Normalize” and “Deplorable”. For a while they were getting really fancy and combining them into “normalizing deplorable”.

    I don’t expect to hear from Rutherford for the next hour or so. Maddow claims she has Trump’s tax returns.

  47. Yup….so weird how they have their little words and speech patterns that they all copy from one another.

    From their libby pretentious vocal fry to the latest, the word “normalize”.

  48. They also think Trump is CRAZY, and that it is SELF-EVIDENT, and that if you don’t think Trump is CRAZY it’s because YOU are also CRAZY.

    Just so ya know.

  49. Keep in mind AHCA analysis by CBO is ludicrously limited to only the first prong.

    You just lost me. The first prong was all they had at their disposal.

    I’m also actually a little excited in a wonky way about states getting a crack @ Medicaid innovation.

    Isn’t Medicaid innovation a euphemism for Medicaid cuts?

  50. First two pages of Trump’s ’05 return. So. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .what?

    Without the schedules and payment of AMT, what exactly is so illuminating?

    I’m guessing there’s a bounty for a copies of any of Chaz’s returns.

  51. Is he a lunatic, Rutherford?

    Actually yes. Kucinich is as nutty as the day is long. That’s one reason he’s not President Kucinich but then again when he ran being just a bit off was enough to get you disqualified. That was before folks got tired of a black man and a bunch of snot nosed liberals telling them what to do. THAT made even a coocoo bird like Trump acceptable.

    Seriously Huck, you need to stop. Trump is not the hill you want to die on. The first couple of weeks of his admin had folks shitting their pants over his comments about the IC. So you’re not even making sense with your Obama comment. You’re so pent up with ODS that you’re not even paying attention to the news.

    Let Obama go dude. You won that fight. America elected Trump partly as a reaction to Obama and his ilk. So you won that battle. Now keep your eye on the war. It’s gonna be bloody.

  52. Remember when Rutherford told us that Ted Cruz was so hated by even fellow Senate Republicans that he would never be able to get anything done if elected?
    I do.

    So what? What point does that make? Hated and crazy are two different things.

    Again you need to stop. We elected a fucking reality TV star president. I’m beginning to worry you’re losing it.

    Our political reality right now is a sick joke. Keep whistling past the graveyard.

  53. He’s making America Great Again and you can’t stand it! 😆

    LOL I am quickly coming to the conclusion y’all are having a huge laugh at my expense by getting me to respond to absurd comments.

    Yeah Tigre I can picture you in your MAGA cap as we speak. 🙄

  54. Yup….so weird how they have their little words

    I guess there are no mirrors in your world. Not a lot of self reflection going on.

    If I heard “feckless” from you and yours once, I heard it a million times.

    It’s so funny how conservatives and libs both think they’re superior when the truth is they’re all assholes. 😀

  55. You know, publishing someone’s tax returns is fucking slimy as shit.

    Yeah like how outraged you were over publishing Podesta’s private emails – oh wait.

  56. Tex I know you want to tar me with every lib argument from the past 20 years but I never really cared what Mitt did with his dog.

    I did jump on a few Mitt bandwagons:

    1) That he was a predatory businessman with little care for the worker (that was not entirely fair).
    2) That he was out of touch (the 80’s want their foreign policy back). I was dead wrong on that.
    3) That he was an elitist (the famous 47% remark). That one stuck until Hillary outdid him with the basket of deplorables.

  57. “So what? What point does that make?”

    OK I am trying really hard to not insult your intelligence and you’re not making that effort easy.

    You flat out said that any of the other GOP candidates would have been given cover by the GOP, which goes directly against when you said Ted Cruz was so hated by the GOP he wouldn’t get anything done.

    THEY ARE YOUR OWN FUCKING WORDS.

    So either you are full of shit now or you were full of shit then.

    “Actually yes. Kucinich is as nutty as the day is long.”

    Ummm….did you see his evidence? The man held up the redacted transcripts of his wire-tapped discussion. Transcripts of a recorded discussion that was illegal to record. Did you or did you not see him hold up those papers?

    Fuck……

  58. You flat out said that any of the other GOP candidates would have been given cover by the GOP

    Actually I don’t think I said that. I said any other candidate would have been treated normally, not with hair on fire like Trump. When I made the statement I was thinking more of libs and the media than fellow GOPers. But fine, if you wanna take Cruz off the list, dandy. Not for nuthin but Lindsay Graham and Cruz have kissed and made up.

  59. Man….the Shia-Sunni war hasn’t even begun yet in Iraq. It’s going to get even uglier.

    I still talk to the Shia every now and then. Just stopped in tonight and shot the shit with the the Shia crew from my old stomping grounds. These days, they are open in their hatred for all things Sunni on a level I haven’t never seen before.

    As a people in America, I have always respected the Shia. Good businessmen. Down to Earth. Never radical. Hell…they make decent Americans. The are much like the Chaldeans and Assyrians who are some of the best immigrants this country has.

    Sure, the Iranian government and their militant proxies are God awful. But honeslty, the Shia people, on a grrass roots level, aren’t a threat to the modern world. Can’t say the same about the Sunni. Motherfuckers self radicalize. If Hezbollah and the Iranian Ayatollahs vanished tomorrow, Shia Islam would not be a global problem. Can’t say the same about the Sunni. There is no pin to pull to make them cool.

    Dumb Iranian government. They should be in an alliance with Israel and America.

    Am I wrong?

  60. “Fucking MSNBC did it again. That Chaz is a real cracker jack. Trump’s 2005 tax reporting was covered by WSJ a year ago.”

    Lol…what a joke.

  61. So O’Reilly genius that he is, mentions the nonexistent “Defense Intelligence Agency” LOL

    OMFG Huck you’ve gone around the bend. An O’Reilly interview is your source?

    Ok let’s put that aside. Dennis didn’t wave “the evidence” in the air. He waved a redacted copy OF HIS OWN FUCKING BILL that was being “tracked”. We have to take his word for it that reporters played him a tape.

    But let’s take him at his word. My understanding is that a foreigner may be legally tapped and if an American citizen is caught in the tap, the content of their side of the conversation must be redacted from any transcript of the tap. So yes it seems possible that Dennis got recorded on a tap of Kadaffi’s son.

    Just as it’s very possible a Trump associate got recorded on a tap of the Russian ambassador. That does not mean the “bad/sick” President put a “tapp” on Trump as Trump accused in an impulsive Saturday morning tweet.

    When folks defend the leader of the free world tweeting felony accusations we are in very deep doo doo.

  62. “My understanding is that a foreigner may be legally tapped and if an American citizen is caught in the tap, the content of their side of the conversation must be redacted from any transcript of the tap. So yes it seems possible that Dennis got recorded on a tap of Kadaffi’s son.”

    And my understanding is that your understanding is wrong.

    The recording transcript isn’t supposed to be redacted. The recording is supposed to be stopped. There isn’t supposed to be anything to transcribe. A transcript means there was a recording. And Americans not under investigation are not supposed to be recorded.

    “Just as it’s very possible a Trump associate got recorded on a tap of the Russian ambassador. That does not mean the “bad/sick” President put a “tapp” on Trump as Trump accused in an impulsive Saturday morning tweet.”

    But it does mean the law was broken.

    How much doo doo are we in when folks defend that?

    Notice how little by little Rutherford accepts that the Obama Administration illegally recorded Americans, but Trump is a lunatic for claiming he was one of them.

  63. Can either of our resident lawyers weigh in on this?

    Is it legal to record an American not under investigation as part of a phone call with a foreign national that is under investigation?

    I’ve heard now from 2 different sources it’s illegal and Rutherford is the only 1 I’ve heard from that seems to think it isn’t.

  64. Is it legal to record an American not under investigation as part of a phone call with a foreign national that is under investigation?

    The only piece on which we differ is what is done with the recording. It has to be commonplace that a foreigner being surveilled in the USA is going to be recorded interacting with Americans. There’s no way these recordings aren’t legal. It’s all a matter of how the recording is treated.

    Otherwise, how could surveillance of any foreigner in America even get to square 1?

  65. Because if you think the conversation between the foreign national and the American is discussing something worth recording, you stop the tape, get a warrant to record the American, AND THEN that person can be recorded.

    “The only piece on which we differ is what is done with the recording.”

    You don’t agree it’s a huge difference?

    I’m sure you’ll need someone other than me saying it’s illegal and I’m good with that. I’ll need someone other than you to convince me it isn’t. If it turns out I’m wrong I’ll have no problem admitting that. You know it won’t be the first, nor the last time.

    But if you’re wrong it means the Obama Administration broke the law. Will you admit that?

  66. Rutherford, did you write a postcard to the royal ringmaster? It seems as if that is the current form of protest liberals are participating in against the white house.

    Kill a few trees and support usps. Way to get a message out there. 😆

    Trump is a clown. And he’s worked the circus his whole life. He’s good at it. He’s a performer. The media is as much a part of the act as he is. But that isn’t where real things are getting done.

  67. Granted the Wiki is far from a legal source, but it says that as of 2008 amendments, FISA only applies to foreigners not on US soil, and that a warrant may not be issued to record a foreigner in order to target a US citizen. It only seems to include Americans if they are outside the country AND suspected of being a foreign agent.

  68. But if you’re wrong it means the Obama Administration broke the law. Will you admit that?

    If it can be proven that Obama ordered a wiretap outside of FISA or a domestic warrant, then he committed a crime. Absolutely.

  69. Tigre the WSJ article you posted is behind a paywall. What does it say?

    Maddow isn’t the only one crowing about it. If you Google, every major news outlet is covering it – including the Wall Street Journal. Why the buzz if it’s old news?

    If you can, copy/paste whatever in your posted article proves that Maddow and the rest of the MSM ate PSYCHOPATHS!!!

  70. “Does that mean a call placed from Russia to the United States?”

    What it means is that it doesn’t apply to foreigners on US soil. which addresses your 11:53 hypothetical above.

    Americans are not to be recorded under a FISA warrant, even if they are not the target, unless they are not on US soil and suspected of being a foreign agent.

    My guess is the FISA warrant that got denied mentioned an American and/or domestic entity. You know…like Trump Tower…which, last I checked, was on US soil.

    I’d also guess by the time they were seeking the FISA they already had the recording and were just trying to find a way to legally make it public.

    But that can’t be. It’s just lunacy….

  71. Geraldo the Vault Maddow…was it good TV last night, Brother “R?” The anticipation of the killing blow, only to find out Chaz had brought a lesbian feather duster to a gun fight, after 20 minutes of snarky dialogue?

    😆 😆 😆

  72. “If you can, copy/paste whatever in your posted article proves that Maddow and the rest of the MSM ate PSYCHOPATHS!!!”

    No, you Big Dummy. What Chaz had proves The Donald is a DERANGED PSYCHOPATH!!!

    He paid taxes n’ stuff.

    I’m going to create a Go Fund Me page to pay the bounty for Chaz and Rutherford’s tax returns. Once delivered I will air it like the morons at MSNBC.

    That was a fucking laugh out loud belly flop.

    (p.s. even the title of the WSJ article ought to show you that info concerning Trump’s write offs and tax liability were reported).

  73. “The anticipation of the killing blow, only to find out Chaz had brought a lesbian feather duster to a gun fight, after 20 minutes of snarky dialogue?”

    You ignore the Fake News at your peril, Tex.

    Be forewarned, it is the Ides of March. Next they’ll show that several of Trump’s entities filed for Chpt. 11 bankruptcy to rile the ignorant that think watching MSNBC constitutes intellectualism. 😆

  74. “Maddow isn’t the only one crowing about it. If you Google, every major news outlet is covering it – including the Wall Street Journal. Why the buzz if it’s old news?”

    I think we’re serving of YOUR explanation. MSNBC is a fucking laughing stock — and today it has a lot of Fake News egg to wipe from its face.

  75. Before Googling for a non-paywall repost of the WSJ article, I might suggest you give it a try first. Then we can all be relieved with whatever irrelevant distinction you choose to base the defense of your MSNBC friends on.

  76. Rutherford Medicaid innovation isn’t an oxymoron and it doesn’t mean cutting. In MA a number of Medicaid recipients were enrolled in a handful of HMO plans that allowed for more chances folks would get more preventive care and stay out of ERs and overburdened outpatient clinics. It also offered something I think is important and thats integration and less stigma.
    Will some states fuck up Medicaid? I’m not naive so I have to say probably but states can do much better than DC

  77. OK, so now where is the put up or shut up ultimatum for substantive (and legal) evidence on Team Trump’s collusion with Russia? I think it’s time.

  78. A couple of things on the tax returns.

    1) I had heard that someone (perhaps the Art of the Deal author) told folks he had seen Trumps tax return.

    2) Sooooo perhaps the “scoop” was having the actual 1040 in hand.

    3) The 1040 tells next to nothing.

    4) I’m surprised after all the fake Obama birth certs (including the one recently displayed by Obamas “brother”) that none of you have challenged the authenticity of the 1040. Has the IRS verified what David Cay Johnston produced was the real deal?

  79. OK, so now where is the put up or shut up ultimatum for substantive (and legal) evidence on Team Trump’s collusion with Russia? I think it’s time.

    Already being investigated by congress.

  80. “Has the IRS verified what David Cay Johnston produced was the real deal?”

    It would be against the the law for the IRS to discuss the return.

    The “actual scoop?” You guys look like fucking clowns again.

  81. “The 1040 tells next to nothing.”

    Um yeah. It’s only the first two pages anyway. And he paid the AMT you friggin morons.

    What the fuck do you morons think the return is going to show? Is there some special schedule — the RU 5090 — that discloses Trump’s collusion with the Rooskies?

    So, so fucking dumb. You think Chaz read the fuckling thing before giving it the old Jeraldo?

  82. LOL Once again you cement-heads think I’m defending the media. The 1040 was a non-story.

    To answer your question, Tigre, yes I think the media is dying to find out if the unpublished tax schedules reveal financial ties to Russia.

    Ok I get that the IRS cannot confirm authenticity but that doesn’t answer why you guys aren’t screaming FAKE 1040!!!!!

  83. Kill ALL DEMOCRATS.
    KILL EVERY OBAMA APPOINTEE THAT IS STILL HOLDING OFFICE.
    Kill all the Muslims. The nice ones? Too fucking bad kill them as well and call it collateral liberty.
    I am so fucking done with America.
    Bye bye I’m off to Hawaii to kill a judge.

  84. Hey Alfie, how about stop issuing EO’s for nonexistent problems? Then we can all sit back and relax.

    BRING BACK JOBS!!!!!! Long live the great state of Michigan!

  85. “Already being investigated by congress.”

    Not good enough. It’s time to set deadlines. About 10 days seems appropriate. Put up or shut up.

    These accusations without evidence against a sitting president are lunacy. THIS IS A CRISIS!!!!!!111111

  86. Time to end the travel ban attempts and let the chips fall where they may. It’s a high-stakes political stunt by both sides, anyway. Trump tried twice, he can tell the base he gave it his best shot. If later on something happens he can blame the left.

  87. I so sick of politics and the bullshit that comes with it I did something kinda crazy today….

    I signed up for bartender school.

    I figure it seems like it would be fun to do and maybe earn a few extra side bucks every once in a while.

  88. “Trump tried twice, he can tell the base he gave it his best shot. If later on something happens he can blame the left.”

    Hogwash. The WH should never cede its constitutional authority to a federal district ct Obama appointee. These rulings are alarming. This one from HI is particularly obscene and should be fought vigorously and endlessly.

  89. Huck, I bar tended a fair bit. I really enjoyed it. If you’re social it’s a lot of fun. But you’re on your feet for hour after hour. It requires stamina, strong legs, and a good sense of humor.

  90. “Ok I get that the IRS cannot confirm authenticity but that doesn’t answer why you guys aren’t screaming FAKE 1040!!!!!”

    Because Dan rather didn’t break the story.

  91. This one from HI is particularly obscene and should be fought vigorously and endlessly.

    Yes. Vigorously. Endlessly. The EO that solves a nonexistent problem CANNOT DIE!!!!!

  92. I paraphrase:

    “Do we redefine the power of the presidency because of this dangerous unworthy president or do we empower this dangerous unworthy president?” – David Frum on the travel ban block.

    “Dangerous and unworthy” is an exact quote.

  93. “Tweeting that your predecessor is a felon? Not to be expected. CRAZY.”

    Mika agrees and is similarly beside herself that Trump accused Obama of a felony.

    What is the crime to which Trump is referring? Or is this just moar Mika melodrama?

  94. He can’t blame the left since the media won’t allow that. Same with healthcare he could and should just watch it collapse but the citizenry deserves better and the press is corrupt. People are too stupid to realize how evil stalks them. People like Rutherford defends Trumps election all while parroting the delegitimization campaign. How the fuck does that play out?
    Bar tending terrible lifestyle especially if you’re not young but growth industry since more people will become alcoholics now.

  95. “The EO that solves a nonexistent problem CANNOT DIE!!!!!”

    Others more connected to society correctly perceive poor vetting conditions as a problem.

  96. “Yes. Vigorously. Endlessly. The EO that solves a nonexistent problem CANNOT DIE!!!!!”

    I love how you refuse the larger point — one that is really troubling and not your Fake Newz outrages.

    I’m talking the dangerous precedent of allowing a district court to usurp presidential authority. Care to address that or can we assume you don’t know and don’t give a shit because you’re having your Giffords moment again?

  97. No way to get rid of activist judges once they are appointed?

    It doesn’t need to be easy but if there’s a way at all Trump should pursue it.

  98. “Bar tending terrible lifestyle especially if you’re not young. . . ”

    Agreed. It’s a job, not a career. A throw away job at that. And definitely for the young. So long as you don’t get caught up in the drinking and inevitable drug use, it can be a lot of fun and sure doesn’t hurt when it comes to meeting the ladies.

  99. “No way to get rid of activist judges once they are appointed?”

    On the fed bench, it’s only impeachment. No really way to remove outside of that.

  100. My Grandma tended the family bar for her entire adult life. By the time she retired, she could barely walk.

  101. “Ah so you respect David Cay Johnston and Rachel Maddow more than Rather. That’s refreshing.”

    No, I’m just a snarky asshole that doesn’t give a fuck about a 2005 tax return any more than I care about a 2016 tax return.

    Why? Because there aren’t any clauses in the Constitution that says the President has to be a taxpayer.

  102. “Do you think Graham is credible?”

    I’d really rather hear from a legal source that doesn’t have skin in the game either way. Graham does not qualify in that regard. Yeah, I’d take him as an opposing perspective, but not enough to completely discount the others I’ve heard.

  103. ““Dangerous and unworthy” is an exact quote.”

    We count on 1 hand the number of people who give a fuck about David Frum’s opinions and still have enough fingers left over to tell him where to stick them.

  104. I’m really just doing the bartending thing because it seems like it would be a fun skill to know. I have found I enjoy mixing drinks and even pouring a good beer. I don’t care if I never make a penny at it, so if I can pick up some side work and make a few bucks, all the better.

    It’s really just for some “me” time.

  105. What IS Obama HIDING that he WON’T RELEASE his COLLEGE TRANSCRIPTS?

    1) They wouldn’t be as easy to forge as his birth cert.
    2) He flunked Ethics.
    3) He claimed to be Native American.

  106. This is why people hate government. Senate Intel Committee issues statement “no indications” of surveillance of Trump Tower. No indications? Why not just say “motherfucker was not surveilled, period”?

    You can’t get a straight answer. 24/7 CYA bullshit.

  107. Because there aren’t any clauses in the Constitution that says the President has to be a taxpayer.

    You’re right. The same Constitution that does not prohibit a reality TV assclown from being leader of the free world.

    I can hear Jefferson and Madison now: “Damn! We thought you guys were smarter than this.”

  108. “No indications? Why not just say “motherfucker was not surveilled, period”?”

    Because they know that Obama is a scheming fucking liar and there is just as good a chance something will be discovered down the line that shows Trump was surveilled as there isn’t.

  109. Ha. I have to admit the Charlie Sheen connection is there. Scary thought.

    Huck…that sounds kind of cool. How much does bar tending school cost and what does it entail?

  110. “You’re right. The same Constitution that does not prohibit a reality TV assclown from being leader of the free world.”

    Oprah might be next.

    Yeah, our democracy is a real bitch. There are plenty of alternatives any time you’re ready to move.

    I’m curious as to what writings from Jefferson, Madison, or any of the Framers you have read that makes you think you’re in a position to channel them from the grave.

    Those men knew this was always possible, that is why they designed the system the way they did.

  111. Those men knew this was always possible, that is why they designed the system the way they did.

    Those men never dreamed the franchise would be opened up to race baiters and common idiots. White male landowners was the assumption. I bet dollars to donuts if they knew then what we know now, the Constitution would be a very different looking document. We can start with the 2nd Amendment where they would have written “don’t infer from this right to bear arms that we want psychos killing school rooms full of children”.

  112. “Hey Huck you gonna learn how to do the Tom Cruise bartender theatrics?”

    That’s probably an advanced course. I’m not paying for that. LOL

    “How much does bar tending school cost and what does it entail?”

    It’s not cheap, but also not TOO bad. I investigated 3 relatively near me and they ranged from $400-$650. I ended up going with the $650 option for a variety of reasons.

    The price is $450 if I signed up before April 2, which ended up being really competitive.

    I can come and go any time they are open and take as long as I want to go through the course. The others were only open at certain times, with 1 even only being available in the mornings. I talked to people in the place I went with and some of them literally took years in between training and the place honored the lifetime deal.

    They also have a lifetime staffing service that can set you up nationwide with full-time, part-time, and occasional gigs. Which was important to me if I move to Idaho.

    This course entails about 100+/- hours of pouring and mix training (which includes a shit ton of memorizing drink recipes), what glassware to use, how to set up and close the bar and workstations, how to work a POS touchscreen system, alcohol responsibility and safety (legal certificate), beer programs for pouring and pairing with food, wine pouring and food pairing, and job placement/resume creation. I don’t know how the others rate in comparison with all that, but this place is extremely legit. I haven’t even gone through all of the book they gave me yet.

    I was a bit intimidated when I walked in the place. Their hands-on bar was full with people practicing and testing. But I tend to be a man of action once I make up my mind to do something and I figured fuck it…nothing good or fun comes from sitting on the sidelines. So I jumped in the pool.

  113. “We can start with the 2nd Amendment where they would have written “don’t infer from this right to bear arms that we want psychos killing school rooms full of children”.

    That’s not what we want?

  114. “Those men never dreamed the franchise would be opened up to race baiters and common idiots. White male landowners was the assumption. I bet dollars to donuts if they knew then what we know now, the Constitution would be a very different looking document. We can start with the 2nd Amendment where they would have written “don’t infer from this right to bear arms that we want psychos killing school rooms full of children”.”

    I’m going to be painfully blunt here. You don’t know shit. Their foresight is evident to anyone that has taken the time to read their work and is the primary display of their sheer genius.

    Your reductio ad absurdum isn’t worthy of a response.

  115. “Those men never dreamed the franchise would be opened up to race baiters and common idiots. White male landowners was the assumption.”

    No Obama.

    Yes Trump.

  116. Both parties are ripe for a shooting star. I don’t necessarily find that to be a good thing.

    Its already happened.

    We wouldn’t have gotten Trump without havIng Obama…who was the DemCong’s version of “The Mule” (An Asimov character for those of you who don’t get the reference).

  117. 1) They wouldn’t be as easy to forge as his birth cert.
    2) He flunked Ethics.
    3) He claimed to be Native American.

    😆 😆 😆

    That was almost as funny as Rutherford teaching us what the Constitution would be if our Forefathers were here now.

    For starters, they would have hanged Obama if you ask me.

  118. I’m so happy to hear that personnel is being axed from the likes of the state dept, etc., and the foreign aid money hose has been turned down.

    I look forward to hearing about massive cuts to the IRS soon, and the firing of that Kostinen thing.

  119. One thing I do wonder about regarding the design of the system is activist judges. Look at what that Obama has wrought by appointing far left wankers to the bench. I heard about his stacking the courts back in his first term.

    Wonder how Valerie likes the new digs. Whatever happened to those poor dogs they had. Bet they gave them away and Barry never noticed.

  120. For starters, they would have hanged Obama if you ask me.

    Naaah, they would have just told him to fetch their coffee. Then again, Bill Clinton was quoted as longing for those days too.

  121. “Then again, Bill Clinton was quoted as longing for those days too.”

    They gone put y’all back in chanez!!!

  122. So question for Huck, Tigre or anyone else who cares to offer an opinion:

    I happen to think the whole Russian conspiracy thing is a grand waste of time. That said, to what do you attribute the tradition of nominees (and then presidents) making their tax returns public?

    After you answer that, to what do you attribute Donald’s refusal to do so?

  123. I have no idea.

    Frankly, I don’t know enough about tax returns to know what they show. And my ignorance of the subject leads to me not care anything about it.

    I do, however, know what college transcripts show.

  124. I’m guessing Trump doesn’t want to release his because he took a bunch of write-offs and paid little to no taxes. And I don’t care at all about that. The system is what it is and as long as he didn’t break the law I say more power to him and anyone else. There’s plenty of mofos in politics and public life who actually owe taxes and don’t pay them. I’d rather see the law breakers harassed about taxes than those who legally game the system.

  125. “The American people need to know if their president is a crook.”

    Isnt that what audits are for? And not just for the president.

    A better question might be why are tax returns private in the first place?

    “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, [a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported …”

    Oh.

  126. I recall Trump saying, and I believe, he is audited every year.

    R, I don’t know what the tradition of releasing tax returns is all about. I assume that it’s a demonstration of complete candor. Conflicts I would think have to be disclosed so I don’t know why the return is needed. A return only tells you so much — a lot about some things, nothing about others.

    I have no problems at all with Trump telling everyone to fuck off when it comes to his returns, especially given what we’ve seen of how the Obama administration and you fuckwads use the IRS to persecute political opponents. Putrid. Intolerable. And you, of course, don’t care so long as a conservative is the target or make the facile claim it doesn’t occur.

    R, the way you guys think and what you do should be a fucking wake up call.

    Should be.

    Totalitarian.

    Your party and the retards on MSNBC now overtly lie about returns of conservatives — it’s a tool. And all that’s learned is that they pay more and are more charitable than you dems that screech and howl. So you’ll keep going at it. “If it ain’t there, make it so.” Fake News. Chaz Maddow.

    No problems with Trump telling you to fuck off. Not at all.

  127. Frankly, I don’t know enough about tax returns to know what they show.

    You really lost me there. You file every year. At the very least they show your employer. They show all the banks with which you have accounts. That’s just off the top of my head.

    So again, why do we need to know these things about our presidential candidates and presidents?

  128. I do, however, know what college transcripts show.

    No, actually you don’t. My college transcript shows I was either dumb, lazy, or had poor study habits. Without your observing me, you actually don’t know shit. All it shows for sure is that I matriculated and received grades. Of course, Obama did no such thing because he was in Kenya until he magically showed up in Illinois at the turn of the century. 🙄

  129. I’m guessing Trump doesn’t want to release his because he took a bunch of write-offs and paid little to no taxes.

    Actually Trump did pay a “reasonable” amount of tax on the leaked return. Even Johnston who despises Trump, admits that.

  130. “You really lost me there. You file every year.”

    My wife fills them out and I sign where she tells me.

    “Without your observing me, you actually don’t know shit.”

    We’ve had 8 years to observe the subject in question.

    “Actually Trump did pay a “reasonable” amount of tax on the leaked return.”

    And there’s probably a reason he leaked a return from 12 years ago, as opposed to 12 months ago.

    “So again, why do we need to know these things about our presidential candidates and presidents?”

    You’ll need to ask people other than those here because nobody here does need to know these things.

  131. http://gunfreezone.net/index.php/2017/03/15/image-probelm/

    Excerpt:

    The lesson that I learned here is that it seems like Liberal Feminists don’t know the difference between a bull market and a bear market, they don’t really care how the economy performs, they just want to make big show of girl power strength, regardless of the consequences; and if that is the case, that’s the perfect reason to keep feminists off of Wall Street and out of the board rooms. The last thing this country needs is a bunch of Social Justice Activists standing on top of the burning wreckage of the American economy, cheering “pussy power.”

  132. Because seeing Hillary’s returns set everyone’s mind at ease that she was not a crook and showed all the banks in which she has accounts?

  133. “You’ll need to ask people other than those here because nobody here does need to know these things.”

    Oh, I do. I want to be sure MSNBC idiots can try to link anyone — anyone that would be shown on the schedules from which Trump derived income — as a proxy that they can attack as an extension of Trump. Those schedules are probably nipple-high. The sophistication of his tax planning would be incredible — well beyond anyone in the media but it would provide fodder to run around and persecute not just Trump, but any of the countless entities and individuals invested or managing any aspect of his projects/ventures.

    Remember when Mitt’s CV firm held some position in a company that disposed of aborted fetuses long after he had stepped down? Moronic. MSNBC made it a centerpiece for their ignorant audience. Well that, and the dog carrier and dancy horses.

    Fuck these people. So stupid. So committed to personal destruction. I wouldn’t turn over Rutherford’s 1040 EZ to these fuckwads if they knew he communicated with conservatives on his blog.

    If Trump paid AMT in 2005, he probably paid in successive years. What fucking difference in the world does it make? Interesting that Rutherford poses the question us rather than his liberal blabbermouth heroes on teevee.

    But you’re right. I don’t need to know. I just want to be sure Chaz and her younger sister can smirk and feed bullshit to their mindless audience.

  134. Muffy, a return like Trump’s might have sufficient reportable info to determine where he maintains personal accounts, but it wouldn’t show where the real money is kept which would be in a pass through entity or trust. He doesn’t run an Herbalife business from his living room.

  135. Question for Tex…

    What’s the prognosis for congestive heart failure (not me), male over 50, smoker, history of alcohol and drug abuse? Swollen legs and water on lungs.

    I know “not good” is the sort of obvious answer. So like how “not good”?

  136. Huck is said 50 y/o on meds? If not needs to be badly. If yes the meds aren’t working. You’ve described a patient in active failure.

  137. The alcohol abuse is a big issue since kidneys and liver are crucial in the pharmacology used to treat the patient. Drug abuse is bad too but specifically for this patient if the abuse was cocaine that’s really not good. Long term Beta effects really sets the stage for the patient to experience a negative prognosis.

  138. My father and uncle told how they tore down a house when they were young. A wall began to collapse and everyone but one ran for cover. He had the farthest to flee, but he stood as if transfixed while everyone yelled for him to run.
    Down came the wall, and the window passed over him, so he was fine.

    I am in that position now. I am not trying to be overly dramatic or mysterious, but serious, life changing problems wait as close to us as April.

    Our evolving situation has stolen my interest in politics or current events for awhile.

    Bye for now.

  139. The lesson that I learned here is that it seems like Liberal Feminists don’t know the difference between a bull market and a bear market

    I’m glad the author limited himself to “feminists”. Some of the most kickass financial journalists I’ve seen have been women, a bit to my surprise quite honestly. Erin Burnett and Maria Bartiromo are two names that immediately come to mind. There’s a woman who recently moved from Bloomberg to MSNBC who seems quite good too. I can’t remember her name at the moment.

  140. Interesting that Rutherford poses the question us rather than his liberal blabbermouth heroes on teevee.

    They’re not my “audience”. I’m honored to have you El Tigre.

  141. “Huck is said 50 y/o on meds?”

    He’s hospitalized, but not in ICU, so that is better than I expected. Going to see him tomorrow. An old friend from decades ago. Those fun times are catching up with some of us.

  142. The edema is a concern, Huck, unless there are some medical related issues not affiliated with the heart. Is your friend taking any steroids that you’re aware, for instance?

    Alfie covered it pretty well. I say edema is a concern because when the heart is not able to pump efficiently, blood can back up into the veins that takes blood through the lungs and feeds the heart. The heart is the one organ where the pulmonary veins actually feed the oxygenated blood from the lungs.

    Your friend’s pulmonary edema is not allowing the required exchange of gases, (CO2 and oxygen) which eventually will cause respiratory failure and stress the heart further which is trying to return to a means of homeostasis (normalization) by pumping harder. The heart has “sensors” in layman’s terms that recognize the level of oxygenation within the body and adjusted the number of beats accordingly.

    The lower extremity edema is a symptom that the heart is not working efficiently. Interstitial fluid is building around the tissue because the veins which work by a series of valves pushing the blood back to the heart to be oxygenated is slowing – hence the term “cardio failure” actually demonstrates as systemic failure.

    I am frankly surprised your friend is not in ICU. I would guess, and this is only a guess because I have no idea the diagnosis and wouldn’t venture a prognosis, one of two things has been determined.

    Either they don’t feel the diagnosis designates an imminent life threatening situation, or there is nothing they can do for him and have moved him in the event to make him comfortable.

  143. That said, to what do you attribute the tradition of nominees (and then presidents) making their tax returns public?

    It. Is. VOLUNTARY.

    After you answer that, to what do you attribute Donald’s refusal to do so?

    The fact that he isn’t a politician, and isn’t looking to milk the public teat for the rest of his life.

    Besides, as the summary of his 2005 returns showed, he paid a higher rate than any DemCong flappyjaw, and the real question that should occur to you is “Why should ANYONE pay $25 Million in taxes EVER?”

    Oh, I know you believe in the “progressive” tax system, R, but when we have hundreds of thousands of people who pay NOTHING, let alone their “fair share”, then actually receive cash back every year, I’m pretty sure that progressives should shallow their own tongues.

    I recall Trump saying, and I believe, he is audited every year.

    Any truly large operation is. And I know that I’ve mentioned before that most major corporations have offices in their headquarters set aside for IRS agents year round, and members of their internal tax departments tasked with working with those agents…year round.

    Given the left and the media’s (BIRM) proclivity to isolate one little part of a much larger whole, it would be imprudent for him to release his tax returns…in part because they are likely consolidated returns which go on for pages and pages for each year, and in part because there are a number of accountants and tax attorneys who have a hard time looking at such returns and being able to correctly interpret what they’re looking at.

  144. So Dona Brazille has gone from comparing herself to a persecuted Christian to admitting she gave away debate questions ahead of time.

    She’s now claiming she sent the questions to everyone ahead of time, but we only heard the Hillary angle because…you guessed it…Russia.

    Of course, Team Bernie could easily back that up if it were true. I wonder why they haven’t yet…..

  145. Tex, it answered as well as it could. I went to see him today and he’s in relatively good shape. He doesn’t need any procedures, just medication. He knows he needs to change his eating and lifestyle habits, but seems to be maintaining a positive outlook on both fronts. His spirits are pretty high, which I think is really important going forward. Thank you and Alfie for the replies.

  146. Huck,

    Glad to hear that. If there is any bit of good news, they have made such remarkable progress on heart disease, that at his age (50ish), with lifestyle changes, he could at least make a partial recovery.

    Exercise, Mediterranean diet, no smoking, no illicit drugs, very light on the booze, ability to learn to cope with stressors. Probably the very same advice they gave you and me.

  147. “Exercise, Mediterranean diet, no smoking, no illicit drugs, very light on the booze, ability to learn to cope with stressors. Probably the very same advice they gave you and me.”

    I’m good on exercise.

    No smoking but I dip.

    Can’t cope with stressors and repress being violent at least once a day.

    I eat a ton of fish and my good cholesterol is very high. But my bad was 200.

    It’s hard to believe that going down in my basement and drinking while listening to that Neil Young Harvest Moon album is bad for my heart, but it is. Relaxing kills the heart. Being stressed kills the heart. Fuck.

  148. Not for nothing but sometimes a wake up call is a good thing. You get the call to adjust your diet and vice and in some cases enter the arena of a low dose B/P med (and Hucks friend is probably getting a Lasix script with a nod to bananas) and you get some quality time tacked back onto your card.
    Smoking is probably a bigger deal than booze imo since smoking is so insidious at where the Rubicon lies.

  149. My daughters gymnastics defies all understanding. Today was the State Championship. In what is traditionally her strongest event (vault), she didn’t place. In her usual weakest event (beam), she’s state champion in her age group.

    Go figure.

    Now it’s on to regionals in Battle Creek in April. Road trip, Rabbit 😉

  150. “Wow and I thought you thought Rachel was in a class by herself.”

    It’s true that the whole MSNBC lineup piss fake news excellence.

    But fake news is still just fake news.

    Next up? The Russia collusion narrative launched before the election. Why would legitimate media continue to push the false narrative with no evidence to support it whatsoever, but ignore their own reporting on the Trump tap?

  151. “Now it’s on to regionals in Battle Creek in April. Road trip, Rabbit”

    We do state wrestling there, R. That town suuuuuucks. But they are good at. putting on indoor state championships. That’s their thing.

    If gymnastics is anything like wrestling, and I think it is…that’s an amazing accomplishment.

  152. She and her mother knew she had a streak going but I didn’t realize it which is good cos I would’ve been more nervous.

    Five years in a row of placing first somewhere in the state championship. First year, first all around. Second and third year, first in vault, fourth year first in vault and floor and this year first in beam.

    No getting around it. Kid is good. And the goddam gymnastics program is at Yale, not Harvard. 😡😡

  153. If gymnastics is anything like wrestling, and I think it is…that’s an amazing accomplishment.

    Actually with as much if not more risk of injury. At least two of her teammates could not compete at state this year.

    As for Battle Creek, I’m getting the impression that unless you’re on the lake, Michigan is kinda meh. But you’d know better than I.

  154. “Hucks friend is probably getting a Lasix script”

    He did say the word “Lasix”

    Grats to the kiddo, Rutherford.

  155. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood some of the reporting but can anyone clear up for me how there was a transcript(s) of Flynns conversations with Russians but there was no surveillance of American citizens without cause and/or warrants????
    This all smells bad and should be receiving bipartisan support to beat down the shadowy IC humps.

  156. “Perhaps I’ve misunderstood some of the reporting but can anyone clear up for me how there was a transcript(s) of Flynns conversations with Russians but there was no surveillance of American citizens without cause and/or warrants????”

    That question’s been on the table for quite a while.

    The dems don’t care.

  157. (oh, I think the answer is supposed to be that American citizens weren’t targets, the were just participants and happened to “be there.”)

  158. I don’t know anything about iTunes or podcasts and not going to learn so I can hear the opinion of a journalist on matters of law.

  159. “I don’t know anything about iTunes or podcasts and not going to learn so I can hear the opinion of a journalist on matters of law.”

    No shit.

  160. I have zero history of watching/listening to POTUS weekly addresses but I’m still going to agree that one looked weird.
    I’m also going to say his message was equally bizarre. As a citizen I don’t know whether I should follow up with him and ask him to keep Ole Hickory on the $20 or to ask who taught him about Rosie the Riveter 🤔

  161. … so I can hear the opinion of a journalist on matters of law.

    Sorry, I wasn’t clear. Scahill is the host. It’s the security expert he interviewed who I wanted you to hear. Shame you can’t access it. I think you would have found it informative.

    Bottom line : there are evasive ways to answer whether Trump was tapped – FISA has nothing to do with whose soil the tapee is standing on – the expert gives a nice clear tick-tock of how Trump’s accusation evolved.

  162. I don’t know anything about iTunes or podcasts

    iTunes? Don’t care. As for podcasts, you sound like an old fart and you’re younger than I am. Put iTunes or Stitcher on your phone man. Lots of really good (free) stuff out there that you’re missing.

  163. Alfie, yes Scahill leans left. What I’m getting at is he’s not an Obama lackey. He shoots at ANYONE he thinks is full of shit. MSNBC is one of his favorite targets.

  164. I don’t remember whether it was in the podcast I posted or elsewhere but while “the deep state” gets tossed around a bit carelessly, there is serious anti-Trump sentiment in the IC among Dick Cheney FP fans who don’t trust Trump. They may, especially via leaks, be actively trying to undermine him.

  165. So I quaintly assumed Trump limited his Tweet-vomit to his personal account. Nope. He defiles the official @POTUS account also. He live-tweeted the congressional hearing today and one of his tweets was debunked live on TV at the hearing shortly after he tweeted it.

    This cannot last four years.

  166. It’s funny. Back last October I honestly thought an advantage of a Trump admin over a Clinton admin would be the absence of constant scandal.

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  167. I think people should get worried about Trump and not in the msnbc way. I think Trump is a lot of things but I still don’t buy delusional. I’m thinking he may very well be planning to push the declassification button which is the proverbial nuclear launch scenario. I think he wants to do this.

  168. I’m thinking he may very well be planning to push the declassification button which is the proverbial nuclear launch scenario.

    Could you elaborate a bit? I’m not following.

  169. Pat Buchanan articulates this better than I can….but there has clearly been surveillance of the Trump campaign. And the “fruit” has obviously been illegally leaked.

    Trump will be proven 100% correct. Someone needs to get locked up.

  170. Rutherford it isn’t constant scandal and for those who call Trump a liar are forgiving eight years of O dishonesty in the craziest example of partisan hypocrisy.
    The scandal here is that a guy who is a bit of an asshole is going up against a cornucopia of shitbags who have zero desire to protect this nation.
    As you’ve made clear there was no hacking of the election.
    RT and Sputnik had no effect on the outcome of the election.
    Releasing emails that were not otherwise tampered with is not an act of war.
    America is exponentially more guilty of the crimes the Ds and rino’s are trying to indict Moscow on.
    The status quo failure brigade lead by folks like McCain are chubbing @ Viagra extra strength levels to fuck things up even worse than we’re rolling now.
    Tick through those truths and tell me where the true scandal lays.

  171. Buchanan posed Alfie’s question and is, of course, right.

    I haven’t had a chance to see what all occured today but I’m told by others it was not very enlightening.

    What’s the big scandal?

  172. Sure. Trump has the authority to declassify materials. The IC report was a laughable short story that if released in its entirety would disgrace the IC to the point they’ll whack the Donald.
    Trump can make Comey release the analysis behind his testimony of today. Prove Vlad hates Hillary. Prove the lines and dots of the Flynn and Sessions speculation and disclose IC analysis of Tillerson’s receiving that friendship award from Russia.
    Reveal the leaks! We know they have it in them since Obama was quite good at nuking whistleblowers.
    As bad as Trump looks secondary Twitter tweets it pales in comparison to what the likely reality is.
    I don’t know if Trump has the balls to do it but he does have the temperament too.

  173. Rutherford, I would probably enjoy listening to podcasts on my log drive to work, but my car is not of this century and neither is its stereo.

  174. Trump will be proven 100% correct.

    Ehhhh no. Trump says too much shit to be proven 100% correct about anything. He is a 24/7 fool.

    My guess is Trump’s associates were legally surveilled. The leakers, however must be brought to justice. The trick is finding them. Particularly if they work next to those charged with finding them.

    Trumps got a disloyal government on his hands and if you think the problem is limited to Obama holdovers, you’re sorely mistaken. The man runs his mouth too much and has made lots of enemies.

  175. Releasing emails that were not otherwise tampered with is not an act of war.

    It’s not the release that is at issue. It’s how they were obtained.

    I’ve always said Hillary and her gang can go fuck themselves – the hack was a distraction from the content. But the hack IS the crime.

    It would be nice if we could see the “conclusive” evidence that Russia (Putin) was behind the hack.

    Nunez says there’s a cloud over the presidency. There’s also a cloud over the investigation. TELL US HOW WE KNOW RUSSIA ORDERED THE HACKS!!!

  176. I haven’t had a chance to see what all occured today but I’m told by others it was not very enlightening.

    I only saw snippets but it was mostly Comey saying “no comment”. Oh and shithead Trump live tweeting. 🙄🙄

  177. Alfie, my wife heard that Trump (or any potus) can declassify on the fly – as in say out loud whatever shit he wants without fear of prosecution. Do you know if that’s true?

    P.S. From the moment he descended to the inaugural platform, I’ve been expecting an inside-job assassination. I still don’t rule it out.

  178. Huck here’s the deal:

    1) Install Stitcher on your smart phone.
    2) Find a podcast you fancy.
    3) Before driving, start playing the podcast.
    4) Put smart phone in cup holder.
    5) Drive to work.

    You’re golden.

  179. I don’t know how smart it is. It’s a pretty crappy Windows phone the kids got me a couple Christmasses ago to replace my flip phone. 😀

  180. I know I shouldn’t be this way, but I can’t help but kind of giggle at these threats from the Dough Man of North Korea about turning the U.S. to ash, with video game stuff and the like. Truly a Baghdad Bob special. His army must be starving, or something. An entire country either living in fear or living insane.

    I thought the Muslims were bad at propaganda.

    Kim Jung go boom boom. Lot of suckie fuckie.

  181. Tex I actually figured what gave you a chuckle was when Kim loses his shit, California will secede from the union – physically.

    Well, that might be a bonus, minus Huck of course, but I’m still not convinced North Korea has a “rocket” that would hit the green on a long par 4. 🙂 America had hydrogen bombs in 1948. Now we have hydrogen bombs that will smile out the kitchen window while Pillsbury Un is eating his plate of biscuits.

    A drone strike would take the Fat Boy out but I would prefer a MOAB hit Un’s palace.

  182. Ok I’ll admit this. When Comey says no president could unilaterally order a wiretap, he’s full of shit. The president can do whatever the fuck he wants. And to show just how weak your House members are, to my knowledge, they never asked Comey, “so if President Obama did unilaterally arrange for a wiretap, he would be committing a crime. Is that correct?”

    LOL the GOP congress critters are pussies. 🐱🐱🐱

  183. It’s ALL theater, Rutherford. 100 percent. Today maybe the acting appears less believable. It no longer has to be too convincing. The public has been made dumb. The messenger trumps the message and heckling is encouraged.

  184. “I’m not going to engage in hypotheticals.”

    The GOP are pussies, but that question is worthless. We already know it’s a crime and we already know he has sufficiently covered his tracks with plausible deniability. The word parsing and qualifying tells that story.

    That Trump isn’t 100% right doesn’t mean he isn’t mostly right. And when he is eventually shown to have been mostly right you know what everyone will remember?

    That he was 100% right.

  185. LOL. MSNBC is ripe this morning. They’re still going with the Rooskies colluding.

    Bubbles sighing is at a 9.

    Yesterday was proof of “The Russian Connection.” 😆

  186. So it appears that the Rooskies expected Hillary to win and were working to weaken and delegitimize her presidency in the months leading up to the election. That’s my take away and hardly novel.

    Then Trump won, which leads to the question asked by the MSNBC brain trust:

    Which Trump policy best serves Putin’s interests, A. drowning world in cheap oil and gas or
    B. browbeating NATO allies into more spending?

  187. LOL. The stupid. It burns.

    From the brilliant jurist Dianne Feinstein:

    “I find this originalist judicial philosophy to be really troubling. In essence, it means the judges and courts should evaluate our constitutional rights and privileges as they were understood in 1789. However, to do so would not only ignore the intent of the framers that the Constitution would be a framework on which to build, but it would severely limit the genius of what our Constitution upholds.”

    Feinstein argued that the Constitution is a “living document,” and stigmatized anyone who might disagree as a misogynistic homophobic racist who supports segregation.

    “‘In 1789, a population of the United States was under 4 million. Today, we’re 325 million and growing,’ the senator explained. ‘At the time of our founding, African-Americans were enslaved. It was not long after women had been burned at the stake for witchcraft and the idea of an automobile, let alone the Internet, was unfathomable.'”

    If this makes sense to you, bitchslaps should be applied frequently and vigorously to your ass and cheeks.

  188. The only witchcraft I care about is how DiFi can be 85 and not look a day over 79.

    The newsclip I heard on the way into work today was her asking Gorsuch if he agreed that Roe is “superprecedent”. Understandably, Gorsuch was clearly struggling with the term (as I myself was asking “WTF is “superprecedent”? Is that like “double secret probation”?”

    She clarified…as well as an ancient, inarticulate, legally ignorant DemCong senator could, and he then agreed that it has been repeatedly upheld.

    Maybe its because I have the luxury of never having to worry about being nominated, but I’m quite certain that my response would have been “You know what else was “superprecedent”? Madam Senator? “Slavery, separate but equal, child labor…”

  189. As for automobiles….I’m put in remembrance of one of O.W. Holmes’ rulings from late in his career…in which he actually ruled that the driver of an automobile had the responsibility to stop at a railroad crossing, shut off the car, get out, walk to the tracks, look both ways, and then get back in the car, restart it, and drive over the crossing.

  190. “‘In 1789, a population of the United States was under 4 million. Today, we’re 325 million and growing,’ the senator explained. ‘At the time of our founding, African-Americans were enslaved. It was not long after women had been burned at the stake for witchcraft and the idea of an automobile, let alone the Internet, was unfathomable.’”

    Gorsuch had a great answer for this.

    And by the way, women were never burned at the stake in the United States.

  191. I’ve been busy with too many other things to do much digging, so I’ll ask here:

    What the hell is up Turkey’s ass lately?

  192. @ Huck Erdogan is striving for his Sultanate and sadly he’s erased the secularists from existence.
    He’s moaning about the EU countries preventing rallies to stir up expatriates voting for his latest power grab.
    He’s expending more ordnance on the Kurds who have been excellent against ISIL than he is on ISIL.
    Did you ever see pics of his new palace? The Turkey I had hopes & respect for is done and that’s sad and dangerous.

  193. Yeah, I know a Turkish-American who is a hard-core Ottoman nationalist and all of the sudden he’s been losing his shit about particular EU countries.

    Yes, it is sad and dangerous. And that threat of sending tens of thousands of “refugees” into Europe is not only a dick move but could be considered an act of war if even 1 of them turns out to be anything other than a refugee.

    Which got me thinking: what happens if 1 NATO member gets into conflict with another NATO member?

  194. 1 NATO member gets into conflict with another NATO member?

    Didn’t that happen with Greece, Turkey and Cypress?

  195. I am asking this in all seriousness. I watched some of the confirmation hearing for Neil Gorsuch. The man conducted himself with respect, dignity and appropriate humor.

    Contrast that with the fucking asshole clown-in-chief who appointed him.

    How you can defend the way Trump has defiled the office of the presidency when you have role models like Gorsuch right in front of your eyes, totally boggles my mind.

  196. I didn’t see Feinstein’s questioning. As a legal nincompoop, I thought Amy Klobichur did an excellent job and seemed to have done her homework before questioning Gorsuch.

    As an aside, I get why Dems are pissed over Garland but they need to grow the fuck up. Gorsuch impresses me as a man who will do his duty as honestly as he can.

  197. How you can defend the way Trump has defiled the office of the presidency when you have role models like Gorsuch right in front of your eyes, totally boggles my mind.

    After 8 years of “Elections have consequences”, “I won.”, and “I have a pen and phone”, and his “unprecedented” “dressing down of the Court (by way of lies, and just being wrong) at the SOTU, and you have the nerve ask that question?

    Are you for real, esse?

    I’ll explain it for you again, and I’ll try to use small words so you can grok it.

    Trump is there because he fights.

    It ain’t rocket science. America knows that the DemCong Party is a colostomy bag dribbling feces and urine all over everything it touches. America knows that the Presstitute Corpse can’t help but to slobber all over the Dems while humping their leg on camera.

    And sadly, people who should know better continue to cow in the face of them…and then along came Trump, who has been the Honey Badger of American politics, and just might represent a real threat to the status quo…which would be a good thing, btw.

  198. Feinstein looks like a total twat.

    R lecturing about presidential or judicial decorum is hilarious.

    You got no credibility or self/party awareness. The judgment of someone about “defiling the office” that surely defended the guy that ejaculated into and onto a young intern the WH would probably choose different words — if he had self/party awareness.

  199. Feinstein and Franken — with their nearly retarded examinations of Gorsuch — represent you and your kind, Rutherford. And that’s why we got Trump.

    Why do you encourage the dem clowns to defile their offices?

  200. “As an aside, I get why Dems are pissed over Garland but they need to grow the fuck up. Gorsuch impresses me as a man who will do his duty as honestly as he can.”

    If you “get” why dems are pissed at Garland, you don’t “get” it.

    But we can thank Obama for Pugsley Kagan and The Wise Latina.

  201. BiC, the Franken part if the hearings is must watch t.v.

    I don’t want to spoil it for you, but the highlight is when he pulls out a passage from the Notre Dame Law Review, waves it around as “the authority” on something or another (who the fuck knows), and begins to dip his toe into a discussion of the rules of statutory interpretation (methinks, plain meaning versus in pari materia but it’s not entirely clear) before running away from it. Once he realized where he was headed with whatever notes some dummy intern had prepared for him, he ran from it like a scalded dog. . .

    into the arms of a line of questioning a kindergartner or even Rutherford (on a good day) could jack out of the park.

    Hi-fucking-larious.

    The saddest part of this is the realization of just how little these fuckers know of the judicial process.

  202. BiC, the Franken part if the hearings is must watch t.v.

    I heard some of Senator Whitehouse’s “grilling” of Goresuch.

    If Whitehouse is still licensed to practice, the licensing jurisdiction needs to be thinking long and hard about Discplining him.

    I got into an extended exchange on Facechimp trying to explain that he can’t be sued for slander because he said it in the course of his duties, but he was still clearly impugning the integrity of the Court, and certain Justices specifically, in the course of a piss-poor argument “in support” of what he said. Goresuch is a better man than I for not leaning forward and suggesting that out loud into the mic.

  203. R lecturing about presidential or judicial decorum is hilarious.

    After Billy Jeff and then 8 years of the least qualified person (yes, LESS qualified than Trump…at least Trump understands economics) to ever hold office, but Trump is the worst thing that could ever happen to us.

    rolls eyes

    After having my Facechimp feed blown up all weekend long by the pearl clutching and vapors over Trump’s proposed budget, I couldn’t take it anymore, and I said:

    The outrage over the President’s proposed budget is delicious.
    1. If the guy gets nothing else right during his term of office, but manages to get through budgets like this which (A) stop the federal government from doing things it never had the authority to do in the first place, and (B) forces bureaucrats to prioritize, then it STILL would have been worth it.
    2. If all my friends rending their garments and knashing their teeth over the proposed cuts to the things the federal government should have never been doing in the first place, and lamenting that “This isn’t who we are!!111!!!eleventy!!!” would understand that compassion, like charity, is a personal trait, and therefore should be a personal responsibility, AND realize that whenever the federal government “assumes” (or usurps) these endeavors, inefficiency, waste, and swollen bureaucracies come with them, whereas individuals being generous with their own time and money working with private charities almost always result in better outcomes and much greater efficiency and accountability.
    3. If you’re one of those friends, and you say “But I can’t afford to donate to _____________.”, then maybe you should ask yourself why government should be so generous with your (and my money) to the point that it is difficult for you to choose your OWN priorities.
    Salvation is not “collective”, nor is it found in your neighbor’s wallet.
    It might be important, but that alone should never be the basis for making government the instrument for doing it.
    We ARE a great nation, but that isn’t BECAUSE of government…it is IN SPITE of it.

  204. When the FBI Director starts a sentence with “With respect to the President’s tweets …” we know we are in deep shit and total absurdity. This is Monty Python stuff

    DONALD, LOSE THE TWITTER ACCOUNT!!!!!

  205. The judgment of someone about “defiling the office” that surely defended the guy …

    You’re an idiot. I’ve criticized Slick Willie multiple times on the comments threads.

    Whenever you’re out of ammo you resort to making me some lib stereotype.

    And again, as I said to BiC, stop fighting the present with the past. Our president is a total embarrassment. The sooner you acknowledge it, the better you’ll look when the walls come tumbling down.

  206. And that’s why we got Trump.

    One of the few insightful things you say around here.

    So fine. We know how we GOT Trump. Now, what do we DO with him? I say distance yourself while you can.

  207. If you “get” why dems are pissed at Garland, you don’t “get” it.

    No, you don’t get it. Garland deserved a fair hearing. Mitch and your other boys were assholes.

  208. 8 years of the least qualified person (yes, LESS qualified than Trump…at least Trump understands economics) to ever hold office,

    Anyone who says this is disqualified from further conversation. You’ve just established you’re not serious.

  209. As I said earlier I found SNL Al a bit embarrassing. If Tigre is capable of an honest objective opinion I’d be interested to know what he thinks of Amy Klobichur’s questioning.

    As for the case of the truck driver being fired, it seems to me Gorsuch was saying it’s heart vs head. The head says fire the guy. The heart says don’t. Gorsuch said he empathized with the truck driver but I’m gathering he didn’t think empathy should play a role in interpreting the law.

  210. One of the few insightful things you say around here.

    Said the swine, pissed that the pearls cast before it aren’t sileage.

    So fine. We know how we GOT Trump. Now, what do we DO with him? I say distance yourself while you can.

    I don’t have to distance myself from him. He ain’t my guy, and he never was. I’ve been on record saying I would have chosen anyone else in the GOP field…well except for JEB!…before him.

    Was he entertaining? Yes.

    Does he still neutralize the DemCong/Presstitute playbook? Hell yes.

    Was he a better choice than America’s Ex-Wife? Yes, but that’s very, very low bar. The turd I pinched off after lunch would have been a better choice than America’s Ex-Wife.

    No, you don’t get it. Garland deserved a fair hearing. Mitch and your other boys were assholes.

    No, YOU don’t get it. * coughcoughcough * BidenRule coughcoughcough

    This didn’t start with Garland. This where some reading would really help you to understand who the assholes in DC really are when it comes to judicial nominations for all federal judgeships, not just the SCOTUS. Men in Black ain’t just a Will Smith movie. It’s a book that very clearly describes this issue, and when it started and who has been playing this game forever now.

    Anyone who says this is disqualified from further conversation. You’ve just established you’re not serious.

    Oooooo. Burn.

    Seriously. Obama’s understanding of economics could be fit into a thimble, and when your only answer to a perceived problem is “More government”, you are not qualified to be President. Trump, for all his faults, and they are legion, at least understands what it takes to make a payroll, and the cost of government “help”…and if he acts in accordance with this knowledge, he’ll be a better President than “I Won” without trying very hard.

    Gorsuch said he empathized with the truck driver but I’m gathering he didn’t think empathy should play a role in interpreting the law.

    The courts sit in equity, as well as law.

    HOWEVER, law, without empathy, is the only means of equality that can be sustained without fear or favor. Everything else is just making shit up as you go along.

    Or as I heard many times, from many professors in law school, emotional cases make bad law. (And just so you don’t misunderstand, R…what is meant by that is when you deviate from the legal answer to apply the “equitable” one, the result is less equity, and less predictability.)

  211. “And again, as I said to BiC, stop fighting the present with the past. Our president is a total embarrassment. The sooner you acknowledge it, the better you’ll look when the walls come tumbling down.”

    I’m talking about YOUR credibility and judgment numbnut. You have none. Just blather.

  212. I’m talking about YOUR credibility and judgment numbnut.

    Worry about your own credibility. As long as you defend Trump you make it clear you are deaf dumb and blind.

  213. “As for the case of the truck driver being fired, it seems to me Gorsuch was saying it’s heart vs head. The head says fire the guy. The heart says don’t. Gorsuch said he empathized with the truck driver but I’m gathering he didn’t think empathy should play a role in interpreting the law.”

    No. That’s not what he said nor is it correct. He must apply the law not that empathy has no role.

    One thing I am certain of, you really don’t understand any of this. You and Franken have the same depth.

    As for Garland, the next pick belonged to the next POTUS — be it Hillary or The Rent is Too Damn High guy — just as your hero Obama said. And the rules you guys put in place apply. Sorry you don’t like them. No fucks owed or given.

  214. “Worry about your own credibility. As long as you defend Trump you make it clear you are deaf dumb and blind.”

    Yaaaaawn. We know MSNBC Boy. He’s INSANE!!!!!!

  215. “Stop defending the present with the past.”

    Politics, like history, does not take place in a vacuum. You cannot have a discussion of what makes Trump attractive to people without having a discussion of Obama. Trump is the natural reaction to the car swerving out of control to the left.

    And what is the natural reaction in an out-of-control swerve….to over-correct in the opposite direction.

  216. “So fine. We know how we GOT Trump. Now, what do we DO with him? I say distance yourself while you can.”

    You know, I think the way to handle this is make false claims that he stole the election, go around punching his supporters in the face, dress up in a vagina costume and call him CRAZY!!!!!!

    I thought about showing leadership and trustworthiness, using the political process, arguing to persuade, and evaluating his policies on the merits. . . but naaaaah. All of those things would require self-examination, and we all know that requires looking to the past which just makes you look like a fool to Rutherford and must be dismissed.

    Soooo much winning.

  217. One thing I am certain of, you really don’t understand any of this. You and Franken have the same depth.

    You’re not certain of a fucking thing. I wasn’t defending Franken. The part I watched, Gorsuch could barely get a word in with all of Franken’s badgering. BUT Gorsuch DID say “I empathize”. Did you HEAR that Center Square? Did you actually watch any of it or are you just throwing shit like a zoo monkey?

    Since he DID say “I empathize” and I never got a chance to see him elaborate, I could only infer that he felt empathy was not part of the judging process. BiC’s answer to this was on point but then he’s not quite as invested in snark as you are.

  218. And what is the natural reaction in an out-of-control swerve….to over-correct in the opposite direction.

    I agree 100% but few here are willing to call Trump an overcorrection.

  219. “You’re not certain of a fucking thing.”

    Oh, yes I am. Your question about the ruling and comment about Garland — chased with your lectures — is all the evidence needed to convict you of not knowing a thing. For you it’s about personalities and moral judgments borne of total ignorance.

    Franken convicted himself as well.

    I am certain.

  220. Your question about the ruling …

    Be specific. I understood BiC to say when your empathy bends the law to seek your perceived sense of equity, you actually defeat the equity provided by a consistent reading of the law. Do I get that much, Professor Kingsfield?

  221. So let’s get down to brass tacks.

    Worst case scenario, members of the Trump campaign explicitly enlisted the help of the Russian government to hack the DNC and Podesta AND coordinated with them on the timing of leaks to do the most damage to HRC and distract at the appropriate times from Trump’s gaffes. I’m not saying there’s proof of that. I’m just asking if that is what went down, how should we classify it? Run of the mill campaign dirty tricks? Breach in ethics? Breaking the law? Treason? None of the above?

  222. You’d still have to prove Trump gave the order to do those things.

    Trump is protected by the same shield as Obama.

  223. Partially. But BiC’s use of the term “equity” has a very specific meaning in the law.

    Now, the answer is in the case itself (TransAm) and the very question asked by Snagglepuss Feinstein about “precedent” and the need for certainty in the law. Geez, she went through the TransAm decision — then we got Franken’s weird-assed rehash or a weird-assed attack.

    All judges should have empathy — for all parties. And he expressed it because the truck driver in the TransAm was in a difficult spot. But the question had to do with the interpretation of an administrative regulation dealing with discharge — not the predicament the driver found himself in. Difficult facts make bad law. And bad law is bad law.

    Now YOU go back and watch Franken’s efforts to attack Gorsuch with that emotional nonsense and laugh out loud treatise he wouldn’t understand if it was translated in crayon. What was he doing? 3,000 decisions and that was what was trotted out — along with a litany of other personal attacks. Who’s Franken speaking to? The Rutherfords that make the same types of worthless attacks like the ones made on Sessions and the Trump who’s INSANE!!!!

    Any idea of Gorsuch’s judicial philosophy or qualifications? No? Of course not. And you sure as hell won’t learn it from the idiots you guys set out to attack him. Might cause you to question what the process is all about and how it became this way — but of course that would require looking to the past which we know is not permitted.

    Gorsuch’s answers were really obvious, no-brainers to really, really, really dumb and frankly dishonest questions

  224. I don’t think it does. People already think that. Proof means nothing, at this point.

    Those who hate him still will and those who don’t still won’t.

    A Pennsylvania steel worker, a West Virginia coal miner, and a Detroit auto worker won’t give 2 shits about how Trump won if he gets them working.

  225. Democrats need to get their shit together and start worrying about the next election instead of worrying about the last one. Hillary is already eyeballing mayor of NYC, so don’t think the old bitch is done.

  226. Hillary is already eyeballing mayor of NYC,

    God what a step down. Homegirl should settle for nothing less than governor or admit its over and retire. I do seem to recall some tension between Hillary and Deblasio.

  227. “God what a step down.”

    It’s a step up from losing. She couldn’t even beat Bernie Sanders without cheating. She needs a tune-up match.

    Speaking of…Donna Brazille is back to saying she never gave away debate questions.

  228. Holy crap. Apparently Tillerson was quoted as saying his wife forced him to take the SoS job. “I didn’t want this job. I didn’t seek this job.”

    You just can’t make this stuff up. Poor Mitt. He wanted the job and kissed Donald’s orange ass to get it.

  229. Don’t think for a minute that Mitt was in the running for anything. Although he didn’t know it at the time, he was called to the King’s castle to grovel and have his nose rubbed in dog manure – no other reason whatsoever. A fine example of the old adage, “Be careful whose toes you step on on the way up; they may be connected to the ass you have to kiss on the way down.”

  230. I find it instructive that Dirty Cop Comey felt unable to comment upon any ongoing investigation – or even to admit that there were investigations – of the multiple felonies committed by the Clinton Foundation or the “intelligence” services that leaked the identity of (then citizen, Flynn) – also a felony – but was perfectly sanguine about revealing the current investigation of possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

    Limbaugh said that was a carefully-constructed shot across Trump’s bow: “Watch it, Mr. President; if you really do drain the swamp and eliminate all these sweet federal jobs, we’re coming for you.”

    Really? Is that so?

    The ‘gators in the DC Swamp might want to re-think that strategy. Those feckless bastards clearly did not watch Trump’s speech in Louisville. You couldn’t squeeze another mouse in the venue, it was so crowded. A huuuuuuuuge number of American People are behind this president and his policies, getting more so every day, and they mean to see them implemented.

    There ain’t going to be no coup d’état in Washington, boys. Yes, by God, you come for him. And we’ll be coming for YOU.

  231. Spicer excluded a couple media outfits from a fucking gaggle and my Facebook lit up like a Christmas tree with screams about freedom of the press.

    Today I see the FBI is investigating Breitbart and InfoWars and not a peep.

    To be honest, I don’t see those groups as any more of a joke than the so-called “real” news media. If we’re going to protect the press’s right to operate without threat or intimidation, then that should include all of them.

  232. BBC flogging the dog that Manafirt has deep Putin ties circa …… 2005. The malicious “journalism” only serves to hasten its own demise.

  233. Yes, the conspiracy is so deep it is more than a decade in the making! They planned the Obama victory, the Romney defeat, and every single thing that happened to get us to this point.

  234. To be honest, I don’t see those groups as any more of a joke than the so-called “real” news media. If we’re going to protect the press’s right to operate without threat or intimidation, then that should include all of them.

    You should have left your 100% correct last sentence without the absurd intro.

    I know for a fact your screws are not so loose that you think InfoWars and The NY Times are equivalent.

  235. I’m waiting for the self congrats comments coming from the gallery now that it was revealed that Trump campaign got caught up in surveillance verified by Devon Nunes, House Intel Chair.

  236. I predict a Tweetstorm, followed by a shitstorm. There’s a lot in there, some of which seems contradictory and confusing.

  237. “I know for a fact your screws are not so loose that you think InfoWars and The NY Times are equivalent.”

    Equally worthless.

  238. And my above isn’t self-congratulations. I’m waiting for this to develop and there’s a lot said I don’t fully understand. But it’s not good.

  239. “MSNBC is shitting its pants calling Nunez partisan and out of line.”

    I think maybe he shouldn’t have given that presser quite yet, without having all of the facts, which he admits he doesn’t have, But it will give tonight’s inevitable Twitter meltdown some context….bigly.

  240. It does seem from his comments that citizens picked up in a tap of foreign lines is within the legal realm, so I must concede that I was either previously misinformed or misunderstood, and in any case…wrong.

  241. I’m in standby mode regards the Nunez update. Seems like it can span a wide spectrum.
    As for London. Always weird to see a place you’ve stood as a tourist etc in the setting of an emergency scene.

  242. I must concede that I was either previously misinformed or misunderstood, and in any case…wrong.

    Right or wrong I think the key issue still revolves around “unmasking”. When US citizens are swept up in a surveillance for which they are not the target, their identity is to be redacted from written reports. From what I gather, Nunez is concerned that this redaction was not done properly.

    Huck, you’re right that this is muddy as hell and needs further clarification. Nunez put himself at the center of a shitstorm with that presser. I’m still scratching my head why he’d make life harder for himself.

  243. As for London. Always weird to see a place you’ve stood as a tourist etc in the setting of an emergency scene.

    I’ve felt that way about Turkey. Went there on vacation as a child. Tourism and terrorism or unstable governments never went hand in hand back then or so it seemed.

  244. I know that all loss of life is terrible but after we lost 3000 people in one day, I have trouble viewing 23 casualties as breaking news. When this happens to London, I’ll call it breaking news:

  245. I’m still scratching my head why he’d make life harder for himself.
    Momentum. Even if he careens in an unintended direction movement of any kind is in the politicians best interest.

  246. Erdogan upped his insane game Huck. I don’t know how rough the translation is but:

    “If Europe continues this way, no European in any part of the world can walk safely on the streets. Europe will be damaged by this. We, as Turkey, call on Europe to respect human rights and democracy,”

    isn’t the way to make nice with the neighbors.
    On semi-related news a number of Turkish administration types have been quite vocal in denouncing the latest assault in London although at least one of them was unfortunately dripping with “Now help us kill all the Kurds”

  247. Haven’t been following it but from what I have seen it appears Grouch actually answers questions as opposed to what Kagan and Sotomayor did.

  248. Well I’m siding with Huck on this one Rutherford.
    First no matter what you think of the quality of a journalistic entity the Constitution is still pretty clear and applicable.
    Second man hours and tax dollars are being spent on determining how much peoples opinions were altered after clicking through to stories @ info wars,RT,Sputnik & Breitbert and of course the plethora of Facebook postings. Mmmmm,Seriously who frequents those sites that were open for pulling the lever for HRC?
    Tucker Carlson did a good piece that showed how NBC clearly tried to influence the election with the grab the pu$$y video. Donna Brazile clearly tried to influence the election. WaPo with their Democracy and Darkness bullshit,and when I say WaPo I mean Bezos. (not for nothing would’ve loved it if Bezo was autocorrected to Bozo)

  249. I’m guessing the Nunes bit will touch off an avalanche. I don’t know what the fuck he was describing, but the Obama admin has proved itself capable and willing to illegally tap/surveil/persecute political opponents — be it through the IRS, leaks, hacks or disinformation. Comey was too mealy mouthed and Obama too parsing for there not to be something to Trump’s allegations.

  250. Well I’m siding with Huck on this one Rutherford.

    Well, not really. First, I said that Huck was right that the first amendment protects everyone. In the realm of free expression, InfoWars and WAPO are identical and deserve equal protections.

    Second, you’ve taken the conversation in a new direction. Of course the MSM actively tried to influence the election. That is the source of their current deficit of credibility.

    None of that refutes the point any sane observer would sooner put Alex Jones in a rubber room before they’d do the same to Jeff Bezos.

  251. for there not to be something to Trump’s allegations.

    They aren’t Trump’s allegations in the first place. They’re a mixture of Breitbart, Mark Levin and Andrew Napolitano. Trump just repeats the stupid shit he hears on the radio and teevee (kinda like your accusation against me vis-a-vis MSNBC).

  252. Schiff is playing tit for tat. If Nunes is gonna leak his info defending Trump then Schiff is gonna leak his, bringing Trump down.

    Today the House intel committee lost any remaining credibility.

  253. Levin, Breitbart etc. were after the tweet.

    I think Trump has access to more info than the others.

    How about you, MSNBC Boy?

  254. R, you left out Comey. He took a dump and laid it on the table. He didn’t need to but he did.

    Schiff kinda ruined the outraged dems squeeling about intel disclosures.

  255. I don’t think Schiff is going to “take Trump down.” I’m sensing Trump is setting the table for a dem shit storm.

    But I dunno.

    I do know that the dem efforts to delegitimize Trump are profoundly troubling and I don’t think you fully grasp why.

  256. Levin, Breitbart etc. were after the tweet.

    Wrong.

    I think Trump has access to more info than the others

    Yes, Kellyanne Conway. Thanks for visiting the Bar and Grill. 😀

  257. No I don’t think Schiff will take Trump down either but I guaran-fucking-tee Schiff would not have said what he said if Nunes hadn’t spouted off first.

    I’m actually very concerned about attempts to delegitimize the election. I’ve said repeatedly that Dem behavior over the past 12 months has been mortifying.

    None of that means “you’re fired” belongs in the Oval. Forget Russia and assess:

    1) Trump/Ryancare DOA.
    2) Budget likely DOA.
    3) T-Rex disses NATO.
    4) Travel bans repeatedly blocked.

    Kind of a rocky first 60 days, no?

  258. Schiff is playing tit for tat. If Nunes is gonna leak his info defending Trump then Schiff is gonna leak his, bringing Trump down.

    You still don’t get it. It doesn’t matter what Schiff (or any other hack brings to bear), Trump ain’t going anywhere.

  259. None of that means “you’re fired” belongs in the Oval. Forget Russia and assess:

    1) Trump/Ryancare DOA.
    2) Budget likely DOA.
    3) T-Rex disses NATO.
    4) Travel bans repeatedly blocked.

    Kind of a rocky first 60 days, no?

    smdh

    Hell Toupee belongs in the Oval Office because he won the election against a terrible candidate who couldn’t even cheat well enough to not have a serious primary challenge from a hypocritical socialist (BIRM).

    The attempt to take the Obama label off the shit sandwich and put a GOP label *should8 fail. If you aren’t going to repeal it and “replace” it with the market, then let it die the death it was designed to, and THEN repeal it.
    It was a proposed budget, and the GOP doesn’t take its cues and start making the bureaucrats prioritize their spending, and pull us out things the government never had any business getting involved with in the first place, then real “cruelty” will be the result in the not so distant future when a broke government won’t even be able to do the things it should be doing.
    shrug NATO is a lot like the UN. Its member states are parasites, who really ought to be doing more to contribute to their own defense, and arguably, since the fall of the Soviet Union, it really isn’t keeping the red menace in check anymore.
    Its a sad day when federal judges have a great deal of difficulty reading statutes and applying them executive orders.
    Its even sadder when a federal judge doesn’t even read the wording of the order, and instead throws up a TRO because he knows what is in the President’s heart. In that guy’s case, I think this will be one of those rare instances where the Ninth Circuit pins back the ears of one of their juniors. The last notable instance of that was the Proposition 8 case.

  260. Isn’t the ninth circuit notoriously liberal? I think The Orange One will have to take this one to the Supremes.

    Speaking of which, Gorsuch will be confirmed so why are the Dems likely to force the GOP to go nuclear? Accept the inevitable and get on with it. We could do much worse than Gorsuch.

  261. 1) Trump/Ryancare DOA.
    Not necessarily in fact a prong 3 measure passed today 416-7
    2) Budget likely DOA.
    Budget is a wish list since Congress controls the purse. Lets see if they’ll fo their jobs.
    3) T-Rex disses NATO.
    Mixed bag at worst. First meeting with Russia pretty important given the movement in Syria and Iraq. Tillerson deserves to dodge the NATO summit anyway since Trumps aka the Administrations position has been made crystal clear.
    4) Travel bans repeatedly blocked.
    Illegally but yeah. It is disappointing Trump failed to fight this as the nail the American hating bags hang their hat on on this one needs removal.

  262. Isn’t the ninth circuit notoriously liberal? I think The Orange One will have to take this one to the Supremes.

    The “do-over” was written with the Ninth’s prior decision squarely in mind.

    It’s unlikely that they will come back and say “Just kidding. It doesn’t matter how you write it.”, especially when 5 judges last time voted to uphold the previous order.

    Besides, not even the Ninth can let what the Hawaii judge did stand. They aren’t above making shit up in the Ninth, but they’re very careful to make sure that their long and rambling justifications for the result they always wanted at least pay lip service to the relevant law.

  263. “Levin, Breitbart etc. were after the tweet.

    Wrong.”

    Okay, I went back for the refresher. Levin did a show and talked about the Flynn leak followed by a show on Heat street report about the fisa applications. He generally described a corrupt surveillance (which was sought through fisa with denied application. Levin correctly said that Trump was being surveilled. Then Trump tweets. Then Levin’s video addressing the case with citation to the media reports of “wire tapping.”

    Did I miss something?

    Breitbart?

  264. “Yes, Kellyanne Conway. Thanks for visiting the Bar and Grill.”

    No comprendo. I’m sure it’s funny as fuck, but I don’t get the reference.

  265. Oh, and let’s not forget the NYT bit about Obama spreading information around to (lol) preserve evidence of the Russian/Trump connection in advance.

  266. “Oh, and let’s not forget the NYT bit about Obama spreading information around to (lol) preserve evidence of the Russian/Trump connection in advance.”

    Oh, don’t bring up the NYT. It’s not like they’re Truthers.

  267. Nunes was an adviser on Trump’s transition team. Any chance he just saw surveillance transcripts of himself?

  268. Levin correctly said that Trump was being surveilled. Then Trump tweets.

    Right chronology there with Trump adding his usual dose of exaggeration to Levin assertion. Breitbart parroted Levin – and somewhere in the mix was a report from a British tabloid. All this hit Trump’s eyeballs in the immediate aftermath of Sessions recusal which pissed Trump off mightily. The tick tock is in that podcast I posted but I’d be glad to reproduce it here later.

    THEN when up against the wall about the weird tweetstorm Spicer gloms onto Napolitano British spy theory.

  269. No comprendo. I’m sure it’s funny as fuck, but I don’t get the reference.

    When pressed for evidence of the wiretap Conway replied that the President has sources unavailable to the rest of us because he’s president. Then she mindlessly conjectured about bugged microwave ovens. 😀😀😀

  270. Not necessarily in fact a prong 3 measure passed today 416-7

    That’s surprising as I thought prong 3 lies outside reconciliation.

    In any case, in the unlikely event “prong 1” gets out of the House, it is pretty much a goner in the Senate.

  271. LOL Huck I had forgotten Barris’ CIA claim until I glanced at the obit.

    Gene Gene the Dancing Machine always made my Mom laugh out loud. A very fond memory actually.

  272. “Right chronology there with Trump adding his usual dose of exaggeration to Levin assertion. Breitbart parroted Levin – and somewhere in the mix was a report from a British tabloid.”

    Umm, yeah. You’re conflating things — like LA Times or probably MSNBC.

    You’ll have to refute what Levin said to make your point, and you can’t.

  273. “I’m actually very concerned about attempts to delegitimize the election. I’ve said repeatedly that Dem behavior over the past 12 months has been mortifying.”

    I am not talking about “optics.” I’m talking about destabilizing and destructive to an unforgivable degree.

  274. R, let’s assume that Trump’s weren’t “wiretapped” pursuant to an Obama order, but Obama (and yes, those he controlled) did engage in illegal and subversive intel to undermine Trump. Which is worse, the inaccuracy of Trump’s text or what Trump’s predecessors actually did?

  275. “Any chance he just saw surveillance transcripts of himself?

    That would be, in your words, funny as fuck.”

    I think it would explain a lot. And having suffered through a few minutes of the puke-worthy MSNBC this morning, really bad for “you guys.”

    Incidentally, you need to peel yourself away from your narrative-driven friends at MSNBC and see what it is you’re cheering for — with a little foresight. Trying to validate/vindicate the Rooskie collusion and Trump is INSANE narratives is a distraction from the real, much, much more troubling story that the liberal media is studiously avoiding. The folly of it is difficult for me to comprehend.

  276. “You just introduced optics into the discussion. I did not.”

    Not really. I was characterizing your current and prior comments on the subject that are bereft of the deeper I am referring to. Again, I’m talking about destabilizing and destructive in a much larger sense. Generally you’ve talked about them “being asses” and how Trump is CRAZY.

  277. Clearly, if Obama or others in his admin with explicit or tacit approval engaged in ILLEGAL intel against Trump’s campaign then that’s something that must be prosecuted. Even in that case, Trump’s choice to air his grievance on Twitter is juvenile and disturbing.

    In other words, even if Trump never used the word tap (or tapp as he likes to spell it), the Tweet is the product of a 13 year old mind and should embarrass you at the least and disturb you at most.

  278. “Even in that case, Trump’s choice to air his grievance on Twitter is juvenile and disturbing.”

    Face palm

    This is why I said what I said about the larger issues. You don’t seem to grasp. I will leave it alone. It’s just not in your wheelhouse.

  279. “If Judge Gorsuch can’t achieve 60 votes in the Senate, could any judge appointed by a Republican president be approved with 60 or more votes in the Senate?” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)

    Excellent question.

  280. “Tweet is the product of a 13 year old mind and should embarrass you at the least and disturb you at most.”

    Once we learn more I will feel the proper emotion, I assure you.

    I am now getting fixed on the Nunes was the “unmasked” surveilled party (or one of them) that prompted the rush to Trump’s office and the press conference.

    And try this one on: the data that was a non-targeted intel gathering was the gross data gathering that Clapper lied about (wikileaks revealed), and that the Obama admin then sifted and distilled to use for political purposes. As we all know, that data collection was not subject to warrants and would be fairly characterized as non-targeted (“incidental”) but used in an improper fashion by the Obama crowd for unauthorized purposes.

    My theory explains almost the whole thing, Obama’s parsed response to the tweet, the source (NSA), why Nunes was pissed off, how he knew that there had been an unmasking, and why it was brought to him, i.e. ’cause it was him.

    If I’m right, all I can say is you need to worry about something other than how to label Trump immature or “INSANE.” Levin, Breitbart, Trump would all be right — or right enough.

  281. “If I’m right, all I can say is you need to worry about something other than how to label Trump immature or “INSANE.” Levin, Breitbart, Trump would all be right — or right enough.”

    Yea, “embarrassed” or “mortified” or even “very concerned” by “Dem behavior over the past 12 months” isn’t saying much.

    I just hope in the event that Trump was right the GOP realize the next 18 months is the last stand and act accordingly.

  282. I want to know who was the target of the surveillance if this isn’t even part of the Russia investigation.

    I’m starting to think they just cast a net to include a bunch of foreigners, got some lackey FISA judge to OK it, so that they could claim it was all “incidental”. Just as I suspect that 1st FISA warrant request, which got rejected.

    Talk about a fucking witch hunt….this is all bullshit

  283. So looks like they caught the neo-Nazi Trump supporter that has been making bomb threats on the Jewish community centers.

    A 19-year old Israeli-American with dual citizenship.

    I wonder if the media will be asking Trump to comment on that.

  284. Since we know the IC has the ability to recreate the signatures of foreign hackers, I don’t even trust the validity of so-called “evidence” being used to issue the warrants.

    At this point, even if it’s all true and Trump is in bed with the Russians, the way the opposition, investigation groups, and the IC have conducted themselves has ruined it.

  285. I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding Paul Ryan becoming President. At this point I’m not even sure he should be Speaker.

  286. Okay I get what you’re on about. My take is:
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding Republicans being serious about participating in a functional government
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding Congress deserving any of my piss if it catches fire
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding conservatives being grown ups who perhaps took a civics class
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding libertarians living in the real world
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding leftists respecting the country
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding leftists not being a direct threat to the safety of the American People
    I hope we have now heard the last of any discussion regarding bills not soaring to the Oval on the first go

  287. He is ineffective as a leader.

    I understand there are many “why”s, but they don’t matter to the bottom line. His job is to unite and lead his party in his chamber and he isn’t showing the ability to do that.

    I’m sure he has many great qualities, but leadership doesn’t seem to be among them.

  288. It’s always so cute when Alfie throws a tantrum any time Ryan or Mitt get get spoken of in anything other than a complimentary tone.

  289. My tantrum is laser focused on those who live in imagination land. Pick something I said and refute it otherwise you’re just wasting keystrokes and worrying me about your homoeroticism schism about me being “cute”

  290. Huck, been sitting in traffic for hours listening to the blathering. While my theiry about Nunes being a target might not be, the way this is rolling out may be a fusion of our theories, i.e. Misuse of Fisa warrants and mass/meta data gathering — with a singular purpose. The reclassification and spreading of info proudly announced by the Obamabots seals the deal for me. Obama and the dems put in place the mechanisms for an attack on their own government to secure political power. The lib media stands as praetorian guard.

  291. The only thing that Paul Ryan’s leadership has given anyone is the opportunity for Nancy Pelosi to be right for once. How fucking sad does a Republican have to be to make Nancy Pelosi look good?

    And Paul Ryan is no rookie. He should know better.

  292. This whole story seems to shift with the wind.

    I’m not cool with what appears to be Nunez’s disclosure of classified data, but if what seems to be implied is true, the fact that it was gathered in the first place, and then sent to the White House? If it’s true, there are a lot of other people who need to be perp walked for their role in this BS.

  293. This is why I said what I said about the larger issues.

    I’m not ignoring the larger issues. I think I answered them in an earlier comment to you.

    But you seem physically incapable of acknowledging we’ve got an ass-clown in the White House. Once we can agree on that reality as a base from which to discuss everything else, I’ll be happy to spend entire threads ruminating on the corruption of the Obama administration.

  294. The man’s a professional ass clown, the likes of whom we haven’t seen for decades. This is what he was bred for. If you think otherwise you still haven’t caught on. There is nothing of importance left to chance. Nothing.

  295. But you seem physically incapable of acknowledging we’ve got an ass-clown in the White House.

    Are you going to suggest that Obama was a serious person for the job?

    His resume has far less of substance than Trump’s, and as I’ve said a hundred times, if he was white, no one would have bothered to consider him for the job.

  296. If I’m right, all I can say is you need to worry about something other than how to label Trump immature or “INSANE.” Levin, Breitbart, Trump would all be right — or right enough.

    I’m not sure I buy your full soap opera but the Nunes angle does ring true (and paints him as an unprofessional asshole who can’t get his personal feelings out of the way of his duty).

    “Right enough” may end up being true but the media will fixate on the literal tweets, not “right enough”.

  297. The greatest shepherd mankind has ever known couldn’t get everyone to follow him so I think Ryan deserves some leeway regards leading some of the Beltway Boyz of disorder.
    When people are determined to yank failure from the jaws of victory what do you do?

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