The Final Assessment of a Failed Social Experiment: The Obama Presidency

When I considered writing a final assessment of the Obama presidency, my original approach was to take the most partisan pro-Obama article and the most partisan anti-Obama article and analyze them. I soon decided that was an exercise in futility. In an environment where all “facts” are skewed through an ideological lens, any debate about Obama’s accomplishments and failures is a waste of time. Liberals celebrate the decline in the unemployment rate, ignoring the decline in the job participation rate and the fact that many of the new jobs created cannot support the average family. Liberals rightly celebrate the capture (albeit deadly) of Osama bin Laden and conservatives stupidly observe that Obama was not actually on the SEAL team that did the mission and therefore deserves very little credit. I’m not going to waste my time on this juvenile back and forth.

So I go back to the drawing board and think about what was truly historic about the Obama presidency. Wars, economic downturns, shifting cultural norms – none of it historic. All of it encountered in previous administrations. What was truly historic, what cannot be debated by any sane individual, was this:

The First Black President.

Much has been written about the stereotypical conservative bigoted reaction to Barack Obama. I seem to recall writing a piece a few years ago comparing Obama’s predicament to that of the average black employee in a white dominated workplace. But the reason why I call the Obama years a failed social experiment is not about the fully predictable reaction of racists. It is about the tacit, soft bigotry of low expectations evidenced by liberals. Let’s start with the opening premise.

The Experiment was Founded on a Lie

Being black in America is NOT being Barack Obama in America. The American black experience is tied inextricably to slavery. Barack Obama’s roots don’t go back to American slavery. His father was Kenyan. His mother was a white American. Barack Obama does not, cannot, feel in his bones the sense of disenfranchisement of the American black. He can empathize. He can also be stopped by a cop “driving while black”, but that is due to the accident of skin

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color and his reaction to such an incident cannot be the same as the reaction of someone whose great grandfather was owned by a white man. To put it simply, Barack Obama is not black in the psychological sense. I further maintain that “traditional”  blacks like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis could no more get elected President in 2009 than they could in 1864. Obama was the exotic man bigots could rationalize and liberals could easily embrace. Joe Biden said he was “clean and articulate”. That’s code for when you talk to him on the phone, he sounds white, not like fictional junk man Fred Sanford.

The Obama presidency was book-ended by two examples of the liberal bigotry that demonstrate how far this country needs to go before the social experiment of a black president can succeed.

2009 – The Negro Ambassador

On July 22, 2009 Barack Obama gave a press conference devoted to health care. In the days preceding the conference, black Harvard professor Henry Louis “Skip” Gates had been arrested trying to gain access to his own home. He was mistaken for a burglar by a well-meaning neighbor and when confronted by police, Gates exacerbated the situation by not controlling his understandable resentment. It should be noted Gates was an acquaintance of the president. At the end of the health care press conference, Chicago Sun-Times reporter Lynn Sweet asked Obama to comment on the Gates incident. Clearly the question had nothing to do with health care and I submit would NEVER have been asked of a white president. In my political fantasy world. Obama would have responded, “I don’t comment on ongoing local law enforcement incidents” or even better, “Lynn would you be asking me this if I were white?” Instead, he took the bait and called the Cambridge, MA police stupid. In so doing, he further polarized an already racially tense incident and the liberal media, led by Lynn Sweet began their role as racial shit stirrers.

What was galling, and went under the radar of all those who see liberals as politically pure, was the implicit racism in Lynn Sweet’s question. She treated the leader of the free world as our ambassador to negro America. This conduct passes for outreach and empathy in our society. Good decent liberal whites want to “understand” the troubles of the black man. But NO black man is an authority on American racism. He is an authority on his own experience. To treat him as a spokesperson for all blacks is actually condescending.

It could be argued that the Obama presidency never transcended race because LIBERALS never let it go. They spent eight years raving about the first black president and scolding every Obama opponent as a racist. Only the most crude conservatives explicitly brought up Obama’s race. Yet the fact that liberals constantly brought it up was somehow supposed to make them seem “enlightened”.

2016 – The Condescension Continues

David Axelrod was Chief Strategist to Obama’s presidential campaigns. He was also a senior advisor in the first term of the Obama White House. He now, among other things, hosts a podcast called “The Axe Files” and late last year, Barack Obama was his guest. The dynamic between the two men during the podcast was telling. Obama tried to strike a balance between being Axelrod’s friend and being his former boss. Axelrod on the other hand seemed to pay little deference to the fact that he has mostly been this man’s subordinate. Don’t get me wrong. I think Axelrod loves Obama like a brother. They have been through a lot together. However, the tone of the interview didn’t seem to respect the office of the presidency. This dynamic hit its nadir when Axelrod proclaimed to Obama “I’m proud of you”. Excuse me? He is the leader of the free world. With all due respect, who is David Axelrod to be “proud” of him, like he is a child who has performed well?

I understand that campaign staff view their candidate as an object to be controlled to ensure a positive outcome. To that extent, every candidate is viewed by the campaign staff as a poll-tested rat running through a maze toward election. But it seems to me, eight years down the road, Axelrod should have abandoned that perspective. Axelrod’s interview made me envision an entire liberal contingent who sees Obama not as a dignified, intelligent, self-made man but as their creation. He is their hammer to pound against the nail of bigotry. He is their kindergarten show-and-tell example of the “articulate black man”. He is their prop to demonstrate how fair-minded they are.

Obama’s presidency convinced me that America was still not ready for a black president. Partly, because he wasn’t really black in the first place. But to my surprise, America wasn’t ready in large part because of liberals. Obama’s two terms were, to a great extent, an attempt to cleanse away white liberal guilt. The incessant racial advocacy did not foster further empathy and understanding. It resulted in a country more racially polarized than it has been since the 1960’s. I submit that because Obama’s feet were not firmly planted in the black American experience, he did not know how to react to being a prop. He tried not to piss off blacks.

Sadly, we will never know how blacks would have reacted to a black president who said, “race is foolishness. I’m not discussing it. I’m not weighing in on it. People are people.” Blacks might have found that refreshing. I certainly would have.

It is impossible to overestimate the damage done to this country by our original sin. To this day, it has us split into three factions: honest to goodness bigots, guilt ridden folks who overcompensate with 24/7 racial advocacy and the majority of people just trying to get through the day and treating most people on an individual basis. We may never get straight racially but until we do, we will not be ready for a black president. Despite two elections, the social experiment of a black president was essentially a failure. And the take away is that liberals are as much, if not more, to blame for this failure as conservatives.

What do you think? The bar is open.

 

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883 thoughts on “The Final Assessment of a Failed Social Experiment: The Obama Presidency

  1. Slavery is not this countrys original sin. Nor is it slavery that divides us – its identity politics.

    Obama failed, identity politics failed, and socialistic startups failed. Conservatives were/are the opposition, not racist conspirators. I dont buy that Barack isnt really black because his great grandfather wasnt a slave either.

    America is more than ready for a black president and a woman president too. Id be happy if there were a few more great ones just to put on our currency.

    There was a lot of truth in the participation trophy for Hillary meme. She doesnt embody greatness. I dont think Obama does either.

  2. I think he was exactly what they expected and that is why axlerod could be proud. He was groomed for that role his entire life. This past 8 years may seem dismal failures to most, but his sponsors made huge advances in their agenda. The stirring of racism definitely intended. The whole gay and trans agenda got a good boost. Demoralize. Divide and conquer. History will show the devil took that round.

  3. “Liberals rightly celebrate the capture (albeit deadly) of Osama bin Laden and conservatives stupidly observe that Obama was not actually on the SEAL team that did the mission and therefore deserves very little credit.”

    Conservatives criticized how he tried to sell himself as America’s greatest hero with liberals stupidly pleasured themselves too, including Rutherford. But there again, none of us have a Nobel Prize either.

  4. “I promise this is worth the 15 second advertisement. ** GUFFAW **”

    God the left is full of fascists. It’s good to see them finally learn some lesson on what it means to be free.

  5. Wasn’t a bad article, Rutherford. Read like it was from the heart. The telling point is what happened to the Dimocratic Party over 8 insufferable years.

    Devastated. It literally is a party left rudderless and broken. And the reason is, I think, as that video above demonstrated, too many Leftists are mentally ill and angry.

    This country is full of fools like that shrew, and most of them are Leftists has been my experience.

  6. “I further maintain that “traditional” blacks like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis could no more get elected President in 2009 than they could in 1864.”

    Uh, you mean black democrats? The right doesn’t have trouble putting them up. You guys refer to them as Uncle Toms.

  7. I dont believe in liberal white guilt in terms of repentance anymore either. If they truly felt remorse they wouldnt be able to tolerate how black conservatives are treated. It would grieve their spirit, but it doesnt.

  8. Rutherford, I applaud the effort but hate this one. You’ve basically pinned the failure of what you label a “social experiment” on Obama’s racial appropriation rather than the failure of identity politics itself. Because your politics demand comeuppance, the result will always be the same.

    But at least we got all that “virtue” in electing a black man no matter how unqualified and sucky he is out of the way.

  9. “Good decent liberal whites want to “understand” the troubles of the black man.”

    I think liberals want to profit from strife so they stoke it to gain and to keep power.

    I tend to think blacks and women try desperately to rationalize their obedience to their progressive masters. What they really want is what we all want – freedom.

    http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/

  10. Muffy, from the prior thread, Spicer may have overplayed the hand, but I am trying to visualize how it really backfires. Every time the accusation of media bullshit is made, it forces the media to fact check itself. Hot potato. Until they change their ways, they’re gonna lose — every time. And in this instance, I don’t think the inanity of the crowd count is lost, even on the left.

  11. I’ll address some of the critiques on the essay later.

    For now, re the Spicer presser: it speaks volumes that the media is focused on crowd gate but is ignoring Sean’s opening volley: the despicable lie that Time promulgated that the mlk bust was removed from the oval.

    That was tweeted by a Time reporter with the clear intent to stir racial unrest. By the time he retracted, it was too late. A lie gets around the world in the time it takes for the truth to put its pants on.

  12. I agree slavery is not the United States’ original sin. The institution is thousands of years old, and practitioners imported it here while it already existed among the Native Americans and blacks who suffered under slavery.

    Christian whites and blacks united to destroy slavery. Their descendants have little legitimate racial guilt to feel. They might be bigots but that is different from regretting their ancestors’ owning slaves.

    What about black guilt? Some blacks owned slaves too. Shouldn’t their descendants feel feel the same remorse as whites? Shouldn’t bigoted blacks feel guilt when they discriminate against fellow blacks because their skin is darker?

    White guilt is little different from more valid survivors’ guilt. It is a construct used by liberals and backs to explain their so called victimization.

    As I wrote once before, Obama is no more black than I am. He has black skin, but he is half white.
    His heritage is foreign and white. His ideology and that of his allies is also foreign.

    There is little special about Hillary and Obama. They may be smart, but for the jobs they chose, they are exotic medeocraties.

  13. “Every time the accusation of media bullshit is made, it forces the media to fact check itself.”

    It was awesome. Half the nation loved it. Call out there bull shit, Trump. Doesn’t matter if the lie seems pretty. And like Rutherford said, the MLK just wasn’t petty.

  14. It is about the tacit, soft bigotry of low expectations evidenced by liberals. Let’s start with the opening premise.

    Well, you just identified the source of their power, which I’ve been trying to tell you all along.

    In order for the Left to be empowered, they have to make you think that you cannot succeed without them, and that any advances you make are due entirely to their benevolence and efforts.

    Being black in America is NOT being Barack Obama in America.

    This is where you disappoint me, R. This is the same kind of BS that gets trotted out against blacks who have rejected the Demcong Party and the nanny state…that they aren’t somehow “black enough” to be legitimate.

    You might be right, but at the same time, its highly unlikely that a white kid with my background is gonna get elected President, either, R. Billy Jeff was an outlier, and while some of the girls I grew up with undoubtedly know who high-end designers are, its unlikely that unlike Michelle Obama, they will ever own a Jimmie Choo anything. We don’t need to elect a bubba President in order to feel like we’re Americans, or that we’ve now “arrived”.

    If you have someone who groks the basic vision of what America is, and understands that the more government you inject into that vision, the less likely it is to succeed, then you have the right person for the job. And when that person can successfully articulate that vision, and help not only the electorate, but other elected officials to share that common cause, then it won’t matter if the person is white, black, brown, red, yellow, or can grab their own pussy, because that will be the person that others cannot help to follow.

    Obama failed not because of his party’s/fellow travellers’ low expectations in him, although they certainly didn’t help.

    Obama failed because his vision wasn’t about making America better for everyone. It was about making America better for some, at the expense of others, and with government extracting that price. Add to it the claims about everything he “inherited” from his predecessor, and how those claims extended into the second term, and well, yeah. Failure.

    Instead, he took the bait and called the Cambridge, MA police stupid. In so doing, he further polarized an already racially tense incident and the liberal media, led by Lynn Sweet began their role as racial shit stirrers.

    First, I thought that he and Skip Gates actually knew each other, and were friends from Obama’s time at Haaaaaaaaavvvvvvaaaaadddd, and that being the case, it didn’t strike me as being a completely left field question. I’m sure if one of W.’s old professors had been stopped by police for driving eratically and gotten snotty with the cops, someone would have asked at a presser, if only to try to embarass him.

    Second, It wasn’t just that he said the police acted stupidly. It was that he said he didn’t know anything about it, but the police acted stupidly…a constant theme in the Obama Administration, used with great skill by the Department of JustUs, and their defacto takeover of police departments around the country.

    Third, it was a local matter, and THAT’S what a smart person would have said. But despite the gushing of the media, over the crease of his pants (impressive when you consider Chris Matthews humping his leg all the time), and him being “smart like Spock”, when it came right down to it, he didn’t know what he was doing, and when his failures could no longer be ignored, he had to fall back on blaming others.

  15. When I or anyone else refers to slavery as America’s original sin I am not suggesting America invented slavery. I don’t know if you folks are honestly misreading the comment or are being willfully stupid. Ancient Greeks had slaves. Only a moron thinks slavery started in the USA.

    By original sin, I am saying that the USA began its life as a country with lofty goals but deliberate subjugation of blacks, women and others. Slavery is a sin that America adopted at its origin – hence an original sin. It’s a sin that has been with us since our origin as a country.

    And anyone here who doesn’t classify enslavement of others as a sin has totally lost me. If we can’t agree on that, the discussion basically stops right there.

  16. By original sin, I am saying that the USA began its life as a country with lofty goals but deliberate subjugation of blacks, women and others. Slavery is a sin that America adopted at its origin – hence an original sin. It’s a sin that has been with us since our origin as a country.

    This may surprise you, R., but I agree with the second sentence.

    I think it would be a mistake to say that we started with the “subjugation of women”. Western civilization was different then, and I don’t think that there was anywhere at that time where women were treated equally. And the real subjugation of the native populations didn’t occur until westward expansion.

    That said, the sin was atoned for in the blood of over 700,000 Americans in the War Between the States. That isn’t to say that there isn’t bondage today, but that is both a soul and economic problem, and until enough people realize what the Demcong Party has done to them, in therefore choose to do something different, these things will not change.

  17. Couldn’t you just as easily celebrate America for ENDING an institution that you point out to be a historical constant?

    1863, in the big scheme of things, is roughly the same time as 1776.

    Slavery should be brought up with glee by Americans. We ended that sick shit.

  18. Hindsight is wonderful. Isn’t it? We can easily blame the primary stooge for the failures of all. The selected was not able to perform any real wonder for our eyes. The shit is only deeper for his time spent at the oval.

    Yet we still pin our hopes and wishes unto the newly selected.

    What did this one promise to do anyway?

    Make America great. Again.

    I always though it was pretty great except for and in spite of its government.

    Donald wants you to sign up as “The Movement Continues – The Work Begins!”

  19. Slavery hasn’t ended because there is a law abolishing it. There are more slaves today than there ever were. Child slaves exist in the many millions. There is a huge market for slave labor. You are deceiving yourself if you don’t think it goes on regularly. A legal right to own slaves is gone. Slavery takes on different characteristics, but the exploitation of humans especially women and children is on the rise. Your media covers it over because it involves the global capitalists.

  20. @Rutherford – who said this:

    “And anyone here who doesn’t classify enslavement of others as a sin has totally lost me. If we can’t agree on that, the discussion basically stops right there.”

  21. Ahhhh. I think I was just heading that one off at the pass, not necessarily accusing anyone as having already said it.

    With that said, I do believe in prior discussions there have been economic justifications made here about slavery, not to mention the Tex Taylor doctrine: “‘Tis better to be a slave in America than a free man in the African jungle.” 😊😊

  22. Why is America the only country where slavery 100s of years ago is such a divisive issue?

    The answer, I propose, is Democrats.

  23. Rutherford has formed a mental image of slavery that comprises every evil imagined and portrayed, yet it isn’t unlike the experiences of many cultures throughout all of human history.

    Conquering peoples and lands always produced slaves. In Africa blacks were captured and sold by other blacks to the meet the demand of the slave trade. There have always been people of every race willing to sell out their fellow humans for profit. Always. No people are an exception.

    If any people can be subdued and exploited they will be.

    Faith in our government is prime example.

  24. Why is America the only country where slavery 100s of years ago is such a divisive issue?
    The answer, I propose, is Democrats.

    That ignores that, for whatever the reason, Democrats and Republicans swapped places on civil rights in the 60’s.

    It wasn’t “hundreds” of years ago.

    The discrimination did not end at emancipation.

    Frankly I’m a bit peeved that one paragraph I chose to write on slavery has hijacked the entire discussion. If we want to say identity politics has hurt our country, I’m all for that. That argument can be made without diminishing the impact of slavery and the lengthy Jim Crow era that followed it.

  25. Good thing Rutherford isn’t Jewish. He would still be condemning the Egyptians for their original sins.

    I have Jews in my family tree so technically I’m ethnically part Jew. And Jews will never let anyone forget about the holocaust no matter how far behind us it is in the rear view mirror – with their own country and a bowed and repentant Germany.

    Show me 40 acres and a mule and a bowed and repentant Mississippi or Alabama and I’ll concede your point.

  26. How tied to slavery,which is obviously tied to racism,actually tied to “modern” racism ?
    I think that is the question that bridges an intellectual and emotional divide in the USA.

  27. @ Rutherford I think your money shot in this piece is your epiphany about Axelrod. I had to reread that part to assure myself you truly “got it”. You capture the liberal elite establishment in your position on Axelrod. He & all lib elites truly believe they created and elevated Obama.
    They never fully articulate that they did so solely for the transformative notion of their moral and intellectual superiority. I don’t doubt they thought he’d be a good boy too and that they would achieve a number of tick offs on their agenda. The inner conflicts that arose there were not Obama’s fault and actually great examples of what helped fuel the self destruction of the (D)s in 2016 and during the O era in general.
    Yes liberals,progressives and core Democrats all played a powerful role in assuring the “social experiment” of electing a black guy POTUS failed.
    That said….

  28. Obama failed as a President for a number of reasons and I for one do not believe the proper lesson to learn is that one of those reasons was that he is black.
    1) Even the Grand Wizard of the KKK could find issue with policies and views of Barack Obama that would keep him busy hating on O without even looking at his skin color.
    2) The “social experiment” had another component to it and I’m not sure how much race had to do with it. Axelrods two Frankensteins (Patrick & Obama) were both black in skin color but all in all amazingly vanilla in every other aspect. I can’t help but think that although hue was important other character traits were equally or more important and were for more reasons than the Jackie Robinson/Oprah Effect tied to race.
    3) When blacks are allowed to run and elect those folks more stereotypically them those folks are categorically different than Deval Patrick & Barack Obama. Of course blacks overwhelmingly supported both in their contests but were left feeling shorted. I don’t believe that invalidates my point though. Axelrod & Co. would never push a Clyborn,Johnson,Brown etc.

  29. In response to a theme in the thread.
    The USA has very little to be proud of about when it comes to its history of social justice.
    Our turn around on slavery was more heavily influenced by trade and the Royal Navy than our Bible learning.
    We were the last “civilized” nation to move on child labor and that finally broke more so because of the Depression than our enlightened ways.

  30. @Rutherford – is slavery Brazils original sin?

    “That ignores that, for whatever the reason, Democrats and Republicans swapped places on civil rights in the 60’s.”

    Even if that were true (which it isnt) the answer would still be democrats. Democrats didnt want slavery to end 150 years ago and Democrats dont want racial discord to end today. Democrats are the reason why the US is the only nation where slavery is used to condemn and control people.

    “It wasn’t “hundreds” of years ago.”

    “Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.
    And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage.” – Henry Louis Gates

    “The discrimination did not end at emancipation.”

    Barack Obama was not discriminated against.

  31. Show me 40 acres and a mule and a bowed and repentant Mississippi or Alabama and I’ll concede your point.

    Show me a bowed and apologetic black community for the sins it avails on this century, and I’ll concede yours. More Detroit! More Ferguson! More Baltimore!

    Show me outside the U.S. where blacks live better than they do in Alabama and Mississippi and I’ll kiss your chocolate ass. In Haiti, they killed the whites instead of enslaving them. There isn’t a demographic on earth that owes the rest of the world an apology more than African Americans.

    At least the Holocaust was in the last century…you talk about great grandpa, but great grand was 75 years after the fact.

    Excuses are like a-Holes.

  32. “How tied to slavery,which is obviously tied to racism,actually tied to “modern” racism ?
    I think that is the question that bridges an intellectual and emotional divide in the USA.”

    Is the question missing some words? Id like to understand it.

  33. If you are using a smart phone, you are likely contributing to modern day slavery and/or forced child labor. This well documented information made the rounds in the news media a year ago. Nothing has changed except that it isn’t front page anymore.

    Capitalism the system and consumerism the disease driving modern slave worker practices.

  34. @ Muffy
    I think slavery can clearly be tied to racism. Slavery is on a different level than a caste system or indentured servitude although the mechanisms of a caste system shares some angles.
    Is there a difference between the racism that allowed people to accept and support slavery and that which gets people to say “fucking niggers” when they view riots or the recent Facebook live stream beating?
    I don’t really have an answer but I also don’t buy into the perpetual stigma of slavery thing.

  35. Slavery is tied to racism, but it is also connected to outsiders of the same race. Slavery was necessary for the existence of developing societies without the technology which developed later.

    Slaves were frequently vanquished enemies and their families often of the same race. They were cheap labor. A
    motive other than racism motivated the societies permitting slavery.

    Iceland has one of our most homogenous societies. Citizens volunteer for various genetic and other tests. Scientists assumed they were mostly Nordics. Actually, large minority are from Ireland, and a few families have Native American genes. Maybe my bias is at work. The female lead singer of Monsters and Men looks Irish to me.

  36. That ignores that, for whatever the reason, Democrats and Republicans swapped places on civil rights in the 60’s.

    You mean with LBJ’s “Great Society” that spawned the welfare that has targeted black families and made great contributions to removing black fathers from the picture, so that government can be husband to the women and daddy to the kids, a la “The Life of Julia”?

    It isn’t Republicans that did that, R. And it isn’t Republicans whose power base depends on perpetuating and deepening that harm at all costs.

  37. I think people watching rioters who are most frequently black profile them as do audiences who see mostly white liberal protesters. They may separate what they see on tv from people they know.

    I think bigotry and approval of slavery represent a long separation on the same spectrum.

    Our culture opposes slavery. Maybe if it didn’t societies would be less enlightened than they appear to be today.

  38. “Is there a difference between the racism that allowed people to accept and support slavery and that which gets people to say “fucking niggers” when they view riots or the recent Facebook live stream beating?”

    Good question. Personally I think modern racism is evidenced by the volume of retributive crimes against whites who never owned slaves or supported slavery by blacks who were never slaves. (Both the crimes themselves and the reactions to them.)

    Violent interracial crimes are overwhelmingly committed against white victims by black offenders. I’d put forth that the number of interracial violent crimes in modern times, say the 60s to the present, surpasses the number of blacks who were ever slaves. I could be way off base on that but I’d need to be hit with statistics to prove that.

  39. I agree slavery can be tied to racism, but weaker humans have always been forced to serve those who were stronger. But today we have other factors at play. A victim status is coveted and has been used for achieving an upper hand in society. Those that are racist today cannot cite slavery as the cause or justification for their condition. Racism is taught and learned after birth in families and culture. The media promotes it on a daily basis.

    American history is rife with segregation and racial discrimination. The treatment and demonizing of the indigenous peoples and other dark skinned peoples, along with the imprisonment in internment camps for Asian people during the second world war, proves we are not the beacon of freedom so many profess.

    We also claim to be founded a Christian nation which is simply not correct. God-like, maybe. Jesus-like, no way. We began a land of rebels and outcasts. Much of the land untamed and free. The wealthy and ambitious made their way and staked their claim. Capitalism and private property overtook what was first free providing swatches for government to hold and encroach upon. As power became centralized in government it became corrupt and self-sustaining. Checks and balances became a mere public performance, while business and politics mingled and wed in the cover of darkness, feathering their bed with what were once considered our shared and bountiful resources. The republic quickly became an oligarchy. Those with wealth have the advantage and essentially operate above the law. Profit overrules principle in a capitalist system. Infractions are write-off costs of doing business.

    The price of freedom is high and most can’t afford it. We think since we have choices in so many areas of life that we are free. Though even the wealthy are enslaved, most without realizing it.

    We also claim to be the land of the free, yet no parcel nor anyone here is free in any real sense. We are all forced to pay into the system that enslaves us and numbers us at birth. We all breathe the air and drink the water they regulate and purposely fill with many patented nano concoctions. Their sound and electronic waves penetrate each of us within every sector of our boundary.

    We won’t get past racism or the continued exploitation of humans if we continue the path we are on. We need good examples to follow. Just look to the many known criminals in our government still free to continue their practices without fear of punishment or reprisal. I think these things do have an impact on John Q Public. I think these conditions do promote racism and a class/caste society.

    We have lost sight of who the enemies of freedom truly are. They swim very close to us. We don’t need to bomb peoples in foreign lands to produce an enemy when those within our midst remain set on enslaving us. We need only turn on the teevee to see those profiting from our daily energy and constant devotion. Know and defeat those masters that control your mind.

  40. “Is there a difference between the racism that allowed people to accept and support slavery and that which gets people to say “fucking niggers” when they view riots or the recent Facebook live stream beating?”

    Yes. A view of who is the aggressor.

  41. I thought it significant we had a rabbi deliver an inaugural benediction for the very first time in American history. The choice of scripture was also significant. He quoted some of the following, though omitted the more colorful parts.

    Psalm 137
    1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
    when we remembered Zion.
    2 There on the poplars
    we hung our harps,
    3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
    our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
    they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”
    4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord
    while in a foreign land?
    5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
    may my right hand forget its skill.
    6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
    if I do not remember you,
    if I do not consider Jerusalem
    my highest joy.
    7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
    on the day Jerusalem fell.
    “Tear it down,” they cried,
    “tear it down to its foundations!”
    8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
    happy is the one who repays you
    according to what you have done to us.
    9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
    and dashes them against the rocks.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+137&version=NIV

  42. “Is there a difference between the racism….”

    I think the primary difference is that the former form saw all blacks as less than human and the latter form sees those in particular view as not very good ones. I think that difference is significant.

  43. @ET off topic but I guess you’re set for conflicted emotions for SB. I think it should prove to be a good game if both teams bring their “A” game. If both do I give the edge to the Pats.

  44. Trump and his press guy, today, gave the best and easiest-to-understand explanation as to why deals like TPP are bad. Maybe they said them before and I didn’t hear it, but today I got it.

    Multilateral trade deals require multiple parties to agree 1 party is doing things contrary to the agreement and to remove that party. In a bilateral agreement, if 1 party breaks the deal, you send them a 30-day notice that says “get your act together or we’re done.”

    That is something easy to understand.

  45. “@ET off topic but I guess you’re set for conflicted emotions for SB.”

    Yeah. This gonna be tough for me. But if the Falcons stay true to form, half the team will wake up with a dead hooker and half bag of cocaine on game day. So maybe the dilemma will resolve itself.

  46. SNL Writer Katie Rich might be fired for her ugly Tweet about Trumps 10 year old child. Reports are that her name didnt appear in the credits Saturday. Her Twitter account has been deleted.

    And Madonna “spoke in metaphors” y’all.

  47. Same with the artistic metaphors of the greatest performers of our generations, Ashley Judd:

    “I am not as nasty as your own daughter being your favorite sex symbol, like your wet dreams infused with your own genes.”

  48. Poolman, the Washington Times bit in that link, where it discusses the group Demand Protest, has already been debunked, and a video of it being debunked has already been posted here. While I’m sure people are paid to protest, this link is garbage.

  49. “SNL Writer Katie Rich might be fired for her ugly Tweet about Trumps 10 year old child. Reports are that her name didnt appear in the credits Saturday. Her Twitter account has been deleted.”

    Suspended

    If they fired everyone that deserved to be there’d be none left.

  50. While I’m sure people are paid to protest, this link is garbage.

    Well that’s a bit rash. The Demand Protest group may or may not have been debunked in the Tucker Carlson clip. It wasn’t clear who was the bigger bullshitter in that piece. They could both be a part of the hoax. It was more comedy than anything else. Regardless if the group is fake, they do have an internet profile and they are the ones that placed the ads. So what is debunked? That they are behind real protests? You admit, people are paid to protest. This could be another made for media moment.

    The link I provided wasn’t exclusively regarding the Times piece. It linked to soros sponsored violent groups and actions of protest and disruption from our recent past.

    My reason to post the video was to show the scream girl in green was intentionally staged for the media. The infowars clip portrayed her as genuine. They also showed paid provocateurs in black destroying businesses portraying them as genuine. It is an example of fake news and extreme faux outrage.

  51. Between 1525 and 1866

    Muffy I don’t get your point. Slavery didn’t END in America “hundreds of years ago” which is what your original comment implied.

    What point are you trying to make?

  52. “The discrimination did not end at emancipation.”
    Barack Obama was not discriminated against.

    First, I was referring to discrimination against blacks in general, not Obama.

    Second, Obama was indeed on occasion treated poorly based on race. No, I am not saying every opposition to Obama was racist (as my essay clearly stated) but there were instances.

  53. Even if that were true (which it isnt) the answer would still be democrats.

    Ehhh yes it is true. Now you can either call it the “southern strategy” or come up with some other reason but the FACT is starting in the late 60’s blacks who once viewed Republicans as their ally, changed their allegiance to Democrats.

  54. “Second, Obama was indeed on occasion treated poorly based on race. No, I am not saying every opposition to Obama was racist (as my essay clearly stated) but there were instances.”

    Yes. Everyone is. He was also given unprecedented special treatment because of it.

  55. Rutherford you have your facts mixed up. Blacks in the 20th Century have always voted (D) although there is something to be said about where and when they were allowed to vote period. The 1964 spike is easily attributed to LBJ putting them back on the Plantation.
    The “Southern Strategy” is different deal.

  56. We were the last “civilized” nation to move on child labor and that finally broke more so because of the Depression than our enlightened ways.

    Wasn’t it Churchill who said that America takes the longest to get things right but they always do in the end? (Yes I know, terrible paraphrase).

  57. No, Poolman, it’s not rash, at all. It was quite clear on the Tucker Carlson clip that the Demand Protest group was exposed, just as it was clear that the guy was all but admitting it was exposed. The comedy didn’t take away from those facts. That they sent out ads means nothing. I can put out ads to try and sell my Ferrari, but that doesn’t mean I own one to sell. Likewise, that I admit people are paid to protest means nothing. I admit the earth is round, too. That hasn’t stopped you from asking me to prove it.

    When you put up links that include debunked information, it takes away the perceived validity of any potential facts that might follow.

  58. You mean with LBJ’s “Great Society” that spawned the welfare …

    If you and Muffy are saying Democrats in both their old and new configurations have been bad for blacks, that’s an argument I understand.

    Still on a fence as to how much I buy into it.

  59. So WSJ has an article (behind a paywall so no link) that says Obama Admin lied about the numbers not starting to pay back student loans. DoE admits to a “coding error” that moves the needle from their claim of 33ish% to 54%

    This lie was caught last summer but only reported to us peons yesterday.

  60. Oh, I see. Because he said so. Well the link I posted was the same day Tucker famed himself. I also believe the earth is round as in a circle is round. It’s just not spherical.

  61. I’d put forth that the number of interracial violent crimes in modern times, say the 60s to the present, surpasses the number of blacks who were ever slaves.

    And even if you’re right, so what? By every measure of fairness, blacks should have burned this whole country to the ground as soon as they were “freed”. To this day I’m irked by how docile the dumb fucks were both during slavery and reconstruction.

    In his heyday I think Malcolm X would have said every white American should be thankful they are not worm food.

  62. For every good black man there is one who will sell him out. It’s the same with whites and any race. The black man is his own worse enemy. If he can get beyond feeling different than he is supposed to be, he can succeed with whatever purpose he is here for. Why are we letting the media define us with their canned examples? Pavlovian.

  63. “Slavery didn’t END in America “hundreds of years ago” which is what your original comment implied.

    What point are you trying to make?”

    My original comment and point: “Why is America the only country where slavery 100s of years ago is such a divisive issue?
    The answer, I propose, is Democrats.”

    Fact or fiction the southern strategy has nothing to do with the question or my proposed answer. What is your theory then for why in America slavery is used to beat whites and white republicans in particular today for long dead slaves and slave owners?

    Can you even say whether this is also the case in other nations?

    You said slavery is this countrys original sin. Is slavery Brazils original sin? Is it anybody elses? Everybodys? Or just the US?

    “I don’t know enough about the history of slavery in Brazil to offer an intelligent reply.”

    40% of the slave trade went to Brazil (compared to all of North Americas 10%). Declared independence in 1820 and abolished slavery in 1888. Do you need to know more that that to give an intelligent answer?

    “Obama was indeed on occasion treated poorly based on race. No, I am not saying every opposition to Obama was racist (as my essay clearly stated) but there were instances.”

    What instances?

    Your claim that discrimination did not end at emancipation is irrelevant to Obamas failure as a president.

  64. Regarding disciplinary action against Katie Rich: I don’t know what she said but I’m amused at the social justice warriors conservatives wanting someone exercising free speech to lose their job.

    NO I AM NOT DEFENDING ATTACKS AGAINST BARON TRUMP – I’VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH CRAZY LIBS ON FACEBOOK OVER THIS VERY THING.

    I’m just amused how suddenly you guys want folks fired. By this standard Rush Limbaugh should have been fired years ago.

  65. Hey…..You got any insight on when us evil whites can expect our punishment to end?

    Black violence is feral violence. Impulsive violence. Animal violence. Primitive violence. Tribal violence. It is not Lockean political violence. Pretending it is, because maybe there should have been back in the day, is a teeny bopper excuse.

    And, considering how much this violence victimizes other blacks as well….. it actually shows how little you care. Oh…. But you have your fantasy world, always in the abstract.

  66. I could care less about obama’s previous lies now unless somebody is gonna prosecute him for them. It would be something to see these criminals actually stand trial in a just court. Someday…

    So, who is keeping track of trump? Was that rabbit?

    Knocking out the TPP is a winner for trump, imo.

    Dumping the climate change crap, mostly a win.

    Are we dismantling obamascare? Is he on that?

    Border shit is just weird for now. Not sure where that leads…

  67. Rutherford you have your facts mixed up. Blacks in the 20th Century have always voted (D)

    I’ll have to fact check it. I thought blacks post civil war through the early 60’s were reliably Republican when they could, as you say, vote in the first place.

    Their voting D when the D’s were their oppressors simply doesn’t make sense.

    P.S. No comments from the BiC peanut gallery about how current D’s are their oppressors.

  68. “I’m just amused how suddenly you guys want folks fired.”

    The left is who set the rules. We’re just playing the game. Personally, I think we should continue to play it until such time as the left comes crawling for it to end. Because, as you see…we’re finally starting to win it.

    As Ace wrote just today…

    “I will sign a peace treaty in the #WarOnFreeSpeech the moment the Indecent Left is sufficiently battered to come begging for peace.

    “But until then: The War on Speech goes both ways, fascists.

    “You will be made to share the misery you have made for us all.”

  69. Declared independence in 1820 and abolished slavery in 1888.

    Seems to prove Alfie’s point. The independent Brazil, by your account, dispensed with the peculiar institution in record time, some 68 years.

    What instances?
    Your claim that discrimination did not end at emancipation is irrelevant to Obamas failure as a president.

    Ahhhh no I’m not falling into that trap where I cite a racist incident and you say I’m full of shit. Reread the first paragraph. I ain’t going down that Rabbit hole.

    Our country’s persistent difficulty with race – including liberal difficulties – made him an unsuccessful BLACK president.

    Put race aside, and there was nothing historic about his presidency. Just the usual policy stuff skewed through different lenses. Again, reread first paragraph.

  70. “Why do you immediately translate coding error to lie?”

    Because we’re talking about the Obama Administration and that’s all they’ve done for 8 years.

    On another note…Obama cut the Palestinian Authority a check for a 1/4 billion dollars on his way out the door Friday morning. Again, we find this out today.

    And you ask where this intense Obama hate came from his last week in.

  71. It is not Lockean political violence.

    I didn’t say it was. I wished it were back when it would have counted. I won’t go with the animal violence theme. No human is an animal … period.

  72. Obama cut the Palestinian Authority a check

    A pittance after what he did last year for Israel.

    “The United States and Israel have reached final agreement on a record new package of at least $38 billion in U.S. military aid and the 10-year pact is expected to be signed within days, sources close to the matter told Reuters on Tuesday.

    The deal will represent the biggest pledge of U.S. military assistance ever made to any country but also includes major concessions granted by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to officials on both sides.”

    http://fortune.com/2016/09/13/us-israel-military-aid/

  73. The lib media shows a snippet of Ashley Judd’s “nasty” tirade but they studiously avoid showing the Trump incest comment.

    Trump is right. The press lies every chance they get. I’m enjoying his war on the media tremendously. But I’m not convinced he will ultimately win the war without resorting to first amendment violations.

  74. That is to say Rutherford is poolman.

    We all got your point, asshole.

    I love how you loved Alfie’s commentary when you didn’t even understand it. You’re a piece of work.

  75. I loved it after Alfie clarified it.

    Your comments have been groundbreakingly pathetic.

    Really one poolman was plenty enough for everybody.

  76. Really one poolman was plenty enough for everybody.

    But guess what ASSHOLE, this Poolman owns the fucking blog and can kick YOUR ass off it whenever I want.

    I responded to every one of your comments with respect today. No name calling. I even told you I didn’t know shit about Brazil. I’ve treated you fairly all evening.

    Now get off my back and go back to harping at your husband and beating your kids.

  77. I have a problem with the hiding.

    I’m certain he didn’t want to catch shit for it, which he would have if it was done at any time. He wasn’t known for his bravery. But his timing was good, seeing as a rabbi gave a benediction at the inaugural that morning.

  78. Rubio is all talk no action. After grilling the crap out of T Rex, he ended up voting for confirmation. Now I have nothing against Tillerson (for now) but Marco proved that his humiliation by Christie last year was well deserved.

  79. BiC and Tigre, I’m no lawyer but even I suspect this is bogus.

    A group called CREW is suing Trump over the emoluments clause of the Constitution. But first they have to prove they were injured (have standing) so their claim is that just having to file the lawsuit is injury enough because if Trump didn’t violate the clause, they wouldn’t have to sue.

    If that held up in court, anyone could sue anyone saying that the trouble of suing in the first place is their injury.

    Does CREW have any actual lawyers on staff? Doesn’t sound like it.

  80. Rutherford Anneburg FactCheck has a good post w bar gtaphs etc. I’m pretty sure I used it here before when noah was harping that blacks vote only for the hand outs and started with fdr.
    There is a deeper truth about the voting history of blacks.

  81. R, serious question again.

    Why would working class whites vote for ‘traditional’ black dems like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis?

  82. Man, am I getting a taste of just how corrupt and/or inept banks and lending institutions really are.

    During my last semester of med school, rather than cash in the family jewels, I took out a $10K loan to pay for part of the semester’s tuition. Obviously, that was $10K I took a torch too. Six months after the fact, Nelnet, the student loan company of choice for my feckless Alma Mater, started me on monthly repayments. They demanded without choice that the entire process be automated – one sent email, followed by one debit to the account. Many times I have thought about just paying it off, but it always seemed just about that time, some emergency for cash would arise and in that stock market, I really didn’t want to cash in – mainly because I’m too cheap to pay Obama’s burgeoning capital gains and the fact we had no mortgage payment so I could deduct the expense. So I religiously have subtracted $150 from my checkbook every month with little attention for seven years.

    Finally last month, I decide that 6.8% interest was a rip off and decided to start paying the thing off quickly. I applied an additional $2k to one payment in November, then did the same this month which was a tad less than $2K for December. Loan paid off, or so I thought.

    Nelnet is just sitting on the last payment, with an array of excuses why it’s not clearing my checking account.

    Each day that goes by, 28¢ is added to the amount due. I’m not kidding 28 fricking cents. There is no longer a “payoff button” on their new revised website either.

    Today, I finally called them. Took me 30 minutes to get a service representative. She made a bunch of feeble excuses as to why the payment wasn’t clearing. So I asked, is it my bank’s fault? “Oh no. It’s just the banking business.”

    I told the lady in no uncertain terms, the jig is up. Clear it, or I start making phone calls to Congressmen – and I suspect this new administration isn’t going to be as forgiving for federal bureaucracy and ineptness.

    Here’s my advice. If your kid has to take student loans, find somebody reputable and not these federal lenders. They are not just predatory – they are dishonest as hell and I am getting a taste of that from personal experience.

    I actually feel sorry for today’s college students having to deal with this crap.

  83. Tex the big four student loan servicers are predatory scumbags with absolutely shitty BBB reputations. ACS tried to put me into collections over three CENTS that they fucked up on. They said put it in next months payment since we cant process .03 cents. Bam collection notice. I left them crying and bleeding. They are a scoutge.

  84. 😆 It was a bit of mansplaining. I was telling mrs poolman all those women got co-opted by the most ridiculous of them and all made by the media to represent reprehensible. The media played them like it does so well. Who would even want to participate in that circus? Just the performers the media highlighted. Sonia decided it was bait and switch.

  85. DR, I watched a couple more episodes of Black Mirror last night. I actually enjoyed that 2nd episode, while the 3rd one wasn’t bad but didn’t grab me.

  86. Huck, I thought the 3rd one was great. That sex scene was so…..Pathetic.

    I think at this point, you gave it a fair shot and it might not be your cup of tea.

  87. BiC is right. The doctrine of standing is muddled and generally incoherent. Since its application so often treated as something that in the eye of the beholder, it is often missaplied to deny judicial review on the merits. But on this one, it would take Poolman-like logic to find standing for this pitiful claim.

  88. The doctrine of standing is muddled and generally incoherent.

    When a layman like me finds the “I’m hurt cos I was forced to sue” argument preposterous, I don’t see how professionals could think otherwise.

  89. Four days into his administration and I’ve heard more Hitler and North Korean references about Trump and his staff than I’ve heard in eight years.

    And Rutherford calls the Trump people unhinged… 😐

    Your party is a joke anymore, Rutherford. A complete and utter dysfunctional joke.

  90. Why would working class whites vote for ‘traditional’ black dems like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis?

    My off the cuff answer: all politics is local. Clyburn and Lewis only have to positively impress a district to get elected. At the district level, building alliances (even interracial ones) is quite doable. Clyburn and Lewis for Senator – no. Clyburn and Lewis for POTUS? Hellllll no!

    NJ Senator Cory Booker … clean articulate black guy. Sound familiar?

  91. So far…Trump has been pure awesomeness.

    The problem is that Trump lives in a world where the media decides the merits of the story.

    Tonight Chris Matthews blamed Trump for distracting from his strong jobs initiatives with stupid 5 million aliens voted stuff. BUT Chris didn’t seem to understand that the MEDIA CHOOSES to report on the stupid over the serious.

    It isn’t the media’s job to remind us Trump’s a clown. We already know that. What we don’t know is a keystone pipeline deal with American made steel. THATS FUCKING NEWS!!

  92. Rutherford, “ya’ll” need to get this shit under control

    Yeah Huck scroll up. She’s the chick I said earlier I wouldn’t want to live with.

    She’s a parody of a liberal and doesn’t know it. It’s like an SNL sketch.

  93. “The problem is that Trump lives in a world where the media decides the merits of the story.”

    Nah, man. Nobody I know gives a shit what your TV says anymore. Relics of the past.

  94. When a layman like me finds the “I’m hurt cos I was forced to sue” argument preposterous, I don’t see how professionals could think otherwise.

    Sadly, some of us are more professional than others.

    We’re the ones who are the sticklers about actually applying the law, rather than making shit up. Unfortunately, there are some appointed to the bench at every level who believe that it is their job to make law, rather than apply it. The “wise latina” who was the “first hispanic ever appointed to the SCOTUS (as long as you don’t count Benjamin Cardozo) ” is one such “jurist”.

  95. poolman – your video is insulting. This march was about many issues/concerns not just birth control. Read their signs. For it to be reduced to just a bunch of women who want to fuck for free and without fear of pregnancy allows you to dismiss the point behind the marchers.

    This is not just a liberal issue but a conservative issue as well. Or it should be.

    To those women who think there was no reason for them to march: They should say Thank You to those women who did and to those women before them who marched, fought and died for many of the advantages and freedoms that make their lives better today then mothers and grandmothers.

    What is this all about really? Birth control, teaching abstinence only, abortion, women-haters, LGBT, religion, the wall, health care, Black Lives Matter, Voter suppression, guns?

    It is said that in 30-40 years white people will be out numbered by people of color in the US. White males especially will not be happy losing their power and control they have enjoyed and abused all these years.

    BC and abortion have allowed women to marry later and have fewer offspring, more importantly the white women. They are barely replacing themselves and partner in number.

    Most intelligent people know ‘abstinence only’ does not work. Giving young women the wrong birth control /reproductive information only increases the chance of a pregnancy. Abusive as well.

    More women are graduating from college and entering fields or professions normally dominated by males. Unfortunately they still will work for less but are typically more productive; pushing men out of what jobs are available these days.

    Many young people are dropping out of organized religion or walking away completely. re No more controlling them with the fear of god is watching or the bible says.

    LGBTs don’t produce offspring. There is a fear the young people will take up this lifestyle and further reduce the number of white babies.

    The wall…none of those crossing the border are stealing jobs whites or blacks want. However, they do produce far more brown babies than Americans.

    Healthcare – denying people access to heath care is cheap way to get rid of those who are deemed not worthy of living. Along with:

    Guns…how can you have a nice genocide/ethnic cleansing without getting your hands dirty…’stand your ground’.

    Yes there are white men in power who want to keep it that way. And will do whatever they have to in order to retain that power. They are scared of losing it and fear what will happen to them if they do.

  96. Rabbit, if that’s your way of saying the MSM has lost credibility, I couldn’t agree more.

    I should revise my comment to say the media TRIES to decide the narrative and does make it harder for Trump’s accomplishments to get attention.

  97. “When a layman like me finds the “I’m hurt cos I was forced to sue” argument preposterous, I don’t see how professionals could think otherwise.”

    LOL. I don’t think they do. As I said, it’s a joke.

    Echoing BiC with a blast from your past though, if you remember, the issue of standing a was central to many of the plaintiffs’ cases in challenging Obamacare. Liberal circuits used it dismiss many of the challenges to the individual mandates.

  98. This march was about many issues/concerns not just birth control.

    I could care less about birth control. Why should I? I agree the video is insulting. Insulting to real women to be represented by a bunch of kooks.

    Your protest movement got hijacked by the vagina clowns and sold out celebrities who need a cause. Sonia pretty much explained that in her video. Too bad you probably didn’t catch it. Nonetheless, you seem to have a litany of issues that somehow got set off by one video pointing out the ridiculousness of many protest participants.

    How much ground was gained for your cause in these efforts?

    It doesn’t look like progress. To me.

  99. WOW Lurker!!

    You know I identify liberal but two things:

    1) A nitpick: the B in LGBT do reproduce. Just sayin’.

    2) Ashley Judd talking about her blood stained jeans and comparing that to Donald’s thinning hair does not further “the cause”. Pussy hats and vagina costumes don’t further the cause.

    You know what soured me on protest? When all those idiots came out to rally for Bernie – just there for the love-in. Didn’t know a damn thing about VOTING!!! So we nominated a criminal and now we have Trump.

    I’m in wait and see mode. I’m wagering the pussy-hats will go back to their normal lives because marching is EASY, sustained political involvement is hard.

  100. “My off the cuff answer: all politics is local.”

    Don’t totally get your point since we were talking about POTUS, but to sharpen mine, since so much of the traditional urban black (“real black”) politics you’re referring to are really anti-white, whose racism is to blame, the candidate’s or the electorate’s? Saying America isn’t ready for your version of a real black candidate is a bullshit reversal. The question ought to be, “is the candidate ready to lead America?”

  101. “Rabbit, if that’s your way of saying the MSM has lost credibility, I couldn’t agree more.”

    LOL. But dismiss it at your peril.

  102. ” Unfortunately they still will work for less…”

    Lurker, it’s wrong if women who do the same job with the same time in get paid less than a male counterpart. What I’d like to know is….where is this happening?

    I also find this idea that all women owe you some debt of gratitude because you plopped on a pussy hat and went out marching quite ridiculous. Not every woman cares about the things you care about. Not every woman wants what you want. That you think they do–and more to the point, that they should–is some serious elitism. You liberals need to get over yourselves because if the last 6 years has shown us anything, it’s that you aint all that. That those years hasn’t shown you that accents that point.

    The country is rejecting your ideology.

  103. r – I went to a local march. It was very civilized and the speakers represented a number of issues and concerns. I know a number of women who went to DC that would not agree with Ashley J. etc. There are always some who are assholes but that should take away from the message or the others who are sincere about their concerns. Just to think about how it got started and spread is amazing. I hope this march is not a one time deal.

    You made a comment about trump being ‘slightly unhinged’. I would say that is an understatement but hopefully he remains ‘slightly’.

    We have been taking notes the last 8 years and now it is our turn to mock ole AM.

    ps – so can the Ls

  104. “Healthcare – denying people access to heath care is cheap way to get rid of those who are deemed not worthy of living.”

    So is abortion.

  105. “There are always some who are assholes but that should take away from the message or the others who are sincere about their concerns.”

    What exactly was the message?

  106. Lurker, thanks for letting us know “the point behind the march.”

    And here I thought is was just a bunch of directionless whiny bourgeois bitches demanding male subservience.

    Now I know I was right.

  107. “I hope this march is not a one time deal.”

    It will be, because you have no leadership, no direction, no core, no goals, and no remaining energy and momentum. You used up all that you had 1 day into things, when it matters the least. This won’t even be remembered in the coming congressional elections, let alone the big shows.

  108. huck – my signs were:

    Less Kardashian More Civics
    No More – Sit Down and Shut Up Stand Up and Shout

    And you are right your women would find them way too liberal. They might actually have to think for themselves rather than have a man do it for them.

  109. See, that’s more elitism.

    My wife is the strongest and most capable person I know, and that includes more than me. From what I’ve gathered from Tex, he feels the same way about his. This idea that you are somehow better than they are is why your movement fails.

  110. I know plenty of women who think for themselves and always have. They don’t have to stand up and demand rights they already have. They have not been threatened or forced to sit. I am talking empowered women. Smart and successful. I married one and have two adult daughters that fit that category. I also am part of a team of seven at my part-time job where I am the only male.

  111. huck – So is abortion. – Tell me how many have you adopted or would adopt.

    It will be, because you have no leadership, no direction, no core, no goals, and no remaining energy and momentum. – Don’t be so sure. If you think we are mad now wait ’til we sync our cycles.

    et – And here I thought is was just a bunch of directionless whiny bourgeois bitches demanding male subservience. Were you born an asshole or just grow up to be one?

  112. I see women being insulted when they think for themselves rather than complying with the liberal thought police, like yourself.

    I was going to ask if you support a woman’s right to disagree with your ideology, but I think your comment above has answered that well enough. Any that don’t think like you simply aren’t thinking for themselves.

  113. The question ought to be, “is the candidate ready to lead America?”

    I think that’s a very good question but it lets Americans off the hook too easily. I suspect if Obama hadn’t given a rats ass what blacks thought of him, he would not have been so racially divisive. I think his preference would have been to ignore race. (And many of his harshest black critics think he did ignore race too often.)

  114. “huck – So is abortion. – Tell me how many have you adopted or would adopt”

    I don’t see how that matters. You claimed denying cheap health care is a way for whitey to kill off others. I simply brought up another way.

    I’m sure you know that Marget Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, believed in negative eugenics. She wanted to shape society by increasing the perceived value of those in it…by decreasing the numbers of those with less value. This is indisputable fact, so if you don’t know it, then educate yourself. Shall we discuss which groups her Planned Parenthood serves the most? So which method of killing off non-whites do you think is more effective?

    And by the way…I’m pro-choice, so feel free to save your inevitible “my body my choice” rhetoric for someone else.

    “Don’t be so sure.”

    I support any peaceful protest, which it seems that one was. I just don’t like what I have seen since, which has been other women being looked down upon. as you’ve done here.

  115. That those years hasn’t shown you that accents that point.

    Lurker, not to pile on but Huck makes a valid point. Folks are tired of being called deplorable, especially by a woman who couldn’t be trusted with national security.

    Blaming the Russians and the electoral college proves we don’t get it. We’ve become arrogant and holier than thou, ironically the very thing we loath about the right wing religious zealots.

  116. R, I know who the fuck they are. I was questioning your premise:

    “To put it simply, Barack Obama is not black in the psychological sense. I further maintain that “traditional” blacks like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis could no more get elected President in 2009 than they could in 1864.”

  117. “Lurker, empowered women are embarrassed by the idiotic display. They know it weakens.”

    This is a perfect paraphrase of what my wife JUST told me as we were discussing this.

  118. They might actually have to think for themselves rather than have a man do it for them.

    You are aware Lurker that Gloria Steinem said female Bernie supporters were just trying to please their boyfriends. That’s some SERIOUS anti-feminist shit right there.

  119. “You like things too simple. There are truths buried in the media bullshit and if you dismiss ALL of it, you’ll miss the truths.”

    Wow. That’s heavy duty.

    You could probably truths buried in the Weekly World News too.

    I’ll place my confidence in sources worthy of it. Your platitudes are too simple.

  120. ‘I know plenty of women who think for themselves and always have. They don’t have to stand up and demand rights they already have.’

    Yes because some one stood up to give them the room to stand up and think for themselves. If they had been born generations earlier they would not find it so easy. Women are quite capable no one is saying they are not. But there are politicians who seem to think they know what is best.

    From what I can figure most of your wives are the ages of my daughters and I know what advantages they were given and room to think for themselves compared to my generation. They are smart and successful as well. I also know a number of women their ages or younger who are afraid to speak for themselves.

    I really had respect for most of you but you keep proving me wrong.

  121. Tell me how many have you adopted or would adopt.

    Please do not sell abortion as saving babies from endless foster care.

    I want abortion to be between a woman, her loved ones, her doctor and her spiritual leader. But it’s hard to keep the gov out of it when too many women trivialize emerging life or offer misleading consequences to going full term.

    P.S. I know from personal experience how grateful many parents are that their son or daughter was not aborted by their birth mother.

  122. I’m always amused at the profound stupidity of this statement…

    Most intelligent people know ‘abstinence only’ does not work.

    How many immaculate conception lefties are out there again? I’ll bet Lurker thinks Obama is one. 😆

    Lurker? You and millions of shitheads like you are why Donald Trump is President.

    And while you make accusation about unhinged, Mr. Unhinged has already revoked about half of Obama’s massively failed policies while you rag about alternative facts. For instance, take your idiot alternative energy and climate change.

    Here’s an alternative fact. Keystone Pipeline. Now you can kiss my lily white male ass because darling, you’re the lowest caste. And 50 years from now, you’ll still be lowest caste. Dumbasses like you were bragging 8 years ago, the Republican Party was going the way of the Whigs. You’ll be even more wrong this time. The blowback started about two months and you’re still too dumb to recognize it. Men aren’t going to take your stupid, hypocritical, victimized shit any longer. I’ll feed you to ISIS personally.

    You think I’m racist, sexist, or homophobic?

    Who gives a fuck. You’re not relevant enough to matter.

    P.S. Frankly, these hapless twats who participated in these women’s marches are the dregs of women. I know a few of these Leftist skanks personally, and to a women all them are deluded, angry, unhappy, and failed. And the reason they are unhappy is daddy issues and men loathe their nasty asses.

    A sorority of losers and fools.

  123. You are aware Lurker that Gloria Steinem said female Bernie supporters were just trying to please their boyfriends.

    No I didn’t . She said that last Feb. campaigning for Clinton. Quite frankly it doesn’t make sense.

  124. I further maintain that “traditional” blacks like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis could no more get elected President in 2009 than they could in 1864.”

    I don’t see how you’ve successfully refuted that.

  125. I’m always amused at the profound stupidity of this statement…
    Most intelligent people know ‘abstinence only’ does not work.

    LOL Abstinence is the ONLY method that works 100% of the time. But Tex you know damn well that’s not what Lurker means. She means people are too damn horny to practice the only 100% effective method.

  126. She said that last Feb. campaigning for Clinton.

    Much stupidity was uttered campaigning for HRC, including Madelene Albright’s “special place in hell” comment.

    This is what happens when we get obsessed with identity politics. To paraphrase MLK JR, we focused on the content of the candidate’s underpants instead of the content of her character.

    Now I’ve been told this happened with Obama also but I argue his character was never so subject to debate as Hillary’s.

  127. I want abortion to be between a woman, her loved ones, her doctor and her spiritual leader. But it’s hard to keep the gov out of it when too many women trivialize emerging life or offer misleading consequences to going full term.

    I won’t deny some women trivialize a fetus/abortion. There will always be those. Just as there are some men who think they can have breeding rights without responsibility. They shouldn’t be parents to begin with. But does that mean we take away choice.

    Show me that government or anti abortion people actually care about that baby after it is born.

    I would rather there be no baby conceived/born who was unwanted. But this is not a perfect world.

    But I believe there is more to this anti-abortion than just a concern for life. It doesn’t make sense.

  128. The abortion issue was brought to the table to be a wedge between religious and non religious segments of society. This is just one divide and conquer tactic used by bureaucrats to control their people. Government should not be involved in health care. Period. Nobody’s business.

    We are always fighting the symptoms and ignore the root cause. This way we always have battles and conflicts and wars. People are too easy to corral and tame. Those that have tamed us believe they own us and it seems many they do.

  129. “But I believe there is more to this anti-abortion than just a concern for life. It doesn’t make sense.”

    Its simply respecting a life five minutes before birth every bit as much as five minutes after. What doesnt make sense to me is how killing that life five minutes before birth is so very different from killing it after.

    But neither one has to make sense to the other. Thats what tolerance is for.

  130. Show me that government or anti abortion people actually care about that baby after it is born.

    Well on that one you’re preaching to the choir. One of the main reasons pro-life folks piss me off is that too many of them don’t wanna do shit after the baby leaves the birth canal.

    It really is the oddest paradox. The folks most in favor of government giving a helping hand are the ones advocating for not helping the baby get born in the first place. While many who are pro-life are really just pro-birth. When it comes to life, you’re on your own!

  131. “Show me that government or anti abortion people actually care about that baby after it is born.”

    Youre describing a pro life conservative.

    A conservative advocates for conservative principles of free market, limited government, and individual liberties guaranteed by the bill of rights. If given the chance to live a life based on conservative principles, every child born in the US will have the chance to prosper.

    Pro life advocates further recognize the need to promote a culture in which we care about life in and out of the womb.

  132. “To those women who think there was no reason for them to march: They should say Thank You to those women who did and to those women before them who marched, fought and died for many of the advantages and freedoms that make their lives better today then mothers and grandmothers.”

    The march on Saturday was against white men in power, Trump in particular.

    Women fought and died? Is this hyperbole? Youre not suggesting Saturday was a march to honor veterans I hope.

  133. “One of the main reasons pro-life folks piss me off is that too many of them don’t wanna do shit after the baby leaves the birth canal”

    Such a lazy and bull shit answer.

  134. “I don’t see how you’ve successfully refuted that.”

    For fuck’s sake, I didn’t say that they are capable of being elected POTUS. I said “serious question. . .” And it was a sincere question.

    Your hypothesis is all about race not policy. You have this blindspot. To use your words, why should white America “vote against their interests?” I’m serious. You’re arguing about true blackness or racial bona fides. Your identity politics make voting for the darker candidate — the purer negro — virtuous. I’m asking about your post. You don’t need to do that mealy-mouthed shit.

  135. Such a lazy and bull shit answer.

    Such an uninformed answer. Liberal parroting without a bit of knowledge. Don’t you guys grow weary of how liberals not only speak out of both sides of their mouth, but neither side has a clue to what it is talking about?

  136. “Thank You to those women who did and to those women before them who marched, fought and died for many of the advantages and freedoms that make their lives better today then mothers and grandmothers.”

    Yeah. Got it.

    (pretty sure they got nothing to worry about)

  137. “Were you born an asshole or just grow up to be one?”

    I can’t imagine what a gem you must be to live with for some lucky guy.

  138. The only time I ever protested was at an anti-abortion event some 30 years ago. We held up pro-life signs and pictures of fetuses while we marched the sides of main streets.

    Some people honked and gave us thumbs up, but for the most part we aroused a lot of anger. We got verbal abuse and hate. Some in our group were spit on. I think that was the balance of our effort at the end of the day. Mind you, this was west Texas, a part of the Bible belt.

    I quickly decided these types of displays had little if any positive effect. We were not winning hearts and minds. We did not gain any ground for our efforts and may have actually lost some ground. The topic is an emotionally charged wedge issue.

    Since then I have not marched in public protest. Why make oneself a target?

  139. Pro lifer here. One time bravely said good bye to my own son at the river bank and walked into the Huron after a storm and pulled 3 kids out of that current. I should have taken a selfie video to document my heroism.

    In all seriousness, and I know talking about things like this is off-putting, but I know I’d give my own life to save a child. Because when push comes to shove, I already decided to.

    I think there are millions of pro lifers like me.

    But….Ooooooooh. We think You Fry We Buy food stamps need to be looked at. Let’s kill the fetuses!

  140. Well DR, if Lurker is to be believed, if you lopped off your penis, your viewpoint was welcomed at the million psycho-bitch march.

  141. “What doesn’t make sense to me is how killing that life five minutes before birth is so very different from killing it after.” -Muffy the Idiot Slayer

    It’s never too late for an abortion.

  142. I further maintain that “traditional” blacks like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis could no more get elected President in 2009 than they could in 1864.”

    They’re one trick ponies. Lewis is still dining out on the fact he was hit upside the head with a brick by a Democrat 50 years ago. Clyburn also relies on being able to talk shit about race. It’s a diversion. They bring nothing of value to the table…no new ideas, not even a grasp of what is, let alone how to respond to it, but as long as they can blame whitey, it’s all good.

  143. Now I’ve been told this happened with Obama also but I argue his character was never so subject to debate as Hillary’s.

    Well given how “historic” and “unprecedented” he was, and how it completely trumped other things, like viewing the Constitution as a “charter of negative liberties” (which was all you needed to know about his views on government), it absolutely happened with Obama.

    And don’t confuse character with not having the smarts or the juice to have come up with the grift first. I have no doubt that he’d LOVE to set up a scam like the Clinton Foundation, but the visibility and brazeness of the Clintons’ execution of that grift means that not even he could get away with it.

  144. But I believe there is more to this anti-abortion than just a concern for life. It doesn’t make sense.

    Well, actually, a concern for life would be enough. That said, there is another little niggling matter as concerns life. That would be it’s primacy in the nation’s charter:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

    and the fact that our body politic DID secure [guarantee] that right:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    And by allowing a private right to murder through the auspices of “privacy”, the government violates this guarantee.

    When it comes to life, you’re on your own!

    smdh.

    Once again, it isn’t the job of government to raise children, Hillary’s idiocy aside. And the expansion of government has strangled private entities and organizations that can, and yes, should help with that duty.

  145. When our constitution was written it empowered men only. The definition at the time did not include every adult human male. It also left out the unborn, all females, and all children.

    The amendment established humans born or existing in the land under the government’s claim of jurisdiction as citizens of the government. This began our collective servitude.

    Once it established ownership over us it began encroaching into every aspect of our lives. Most of it done under the cover of darkness and with grand deception.

    This process has continued to the present where the struggle is often realized yet rarely televised.

  146. That’s the most retarded thing I’ve read. And we just went through flat earth nonsense and the Lurker cocktail of whiny unhinged liberal rage.

  147. ‘The march on Saturday was against white men in power, Trump in particular.’ Are you serious?

    ‘Women fought and died? Is this hyperbole? Youre not suggesting Saturday was a march to honor veterans I hope.’

    Women who fought and died for your right to vote.
    Women who fought to take control of child birthing out of the hands of doctors and gave it back to women.
    Women who fought for better health care so fewer women would not die in childbirth.
    Women who fought for birth control which allowed them to control the number of children rather than have one year after year.
    Women who fought for those who died so other women could have a safe abortion.
    Women who fought so they and their children were no longer the property of their husbands.
    Women who fought for laws against spousal abuse.
    Women who fought for laws against sexual harassment in the workplace.
    Woman who fought and died for a safer workplace, no chains on the doors etc.
    Women who for the right to organize a union.
    Women who are fighting for equal pay for equal work.

    How is that for a start. Men did not willing give that to us. Your mother, grandmother, and great grandmother fought for it.

  148. “Women who fought and died for your right to vote.”

    They fought and died for my right to vote?

    Oh, you cut and pasted some stupid shit and forgot to properly edit or cite it.

    Men suck. I hate me and feel pity for you. By all means, wear a pussy costume and parade around playing victim. The pinker, cruder and louder you are, the more we’ll know how bad you have it and much we need to adopt your liberal agendas.

  149. “Are you serious?”
    100%. Supported by nearly every excerpt Ive heard from a variety of speakers.

    Lemme ask you a simple question – if Hillary had won would there have been a march?

    As to the claim that women have fought and died for my freedoms and advantages – you haven’t cited a single one.

    I make it a point to thank every veteran I meet though. Occasionally that veteran is a woman.

  150. “That’s the most retarded thing I’ve read.”

    It’s like the word “consitution” triggered a massive series of misfiring synapses.

  151. “Women fought and died”

    So that they’re progeny could don “pussy hats” and dress up like bi-pedal vaginas so they could march to continue federal funding of an organization that not only will kell their children in utero for a price, but then will sell their children’s tissue so they can get a new Lamborghini.

    You’ve come a long way, Medea.

  152. I was going to ask if you support a woman’s right to disagree with your ideology, but I think your comment above has answered that well enough. Any that don’t think like you simply aren’t thinking for themselves.

    “comment above” – you mean my snark/joke? Or the et comment – he asked for that.

    I am not the enemy. The Right thinks the Left is dumb and can not think for themselves. And the Left thinks the Right is dumb and can not think for themselves. We just sling the same shit at each other.

    I believe in choice. Choice to believe in God or not or which ever one you wish. Just don’t force others to live by your beliefs. I don’t care who you choose to love or marry as long as you don’t tell me who I must love or can not love. Abortion – pro choice does not force anyone to do something against their beliefs. And so forth.

    This march – the comments here and on public media are degrading. Angry women, men haters, trump protester ugly, wimpy men etc. Anything that degrades, criticizes, diminishes their right to protest what concerns them.

    You, sir, do not support my or a woman’s right to disagree with your ideology

  153. The Right thinks the Left is dumb and can not think for themselves. And the Left thinks the Right is dumb and can not think for themselves.

    Actually, the Right thinks that a majority of the Left is lazy, and wants to argue about their feelz, rather than employ facts and logic; the Left thinks that the Right is evil because they want to employ facts and logic.

    I’d be content to let them be lazy, but their neverending “War on Reality” has consequences for me and mine, so here we all are…on the raggedy edge.

    You, sir, do not support my or a woman’s right to disagree with your ideology

    Not at all.

    But I do refuse to be silent when I’m being hectored about “civility” and “human dignity” be people who don’t want to be judged based on their plumbing, yet dress up like those fixtures, and demonstrate for the right to make me pay for them killing their children.

  154. “you mean my snark/joke? Or the et comment – he asked for that.”

    No, I mean this one.

    “And you are right your women would find them way too liberal. They might actually have to think for themselves rather than have a man do it for them.”

    The one where you suggest any woman who doesn’t think like you isn’t capable of thinking for themselves.

  155. To use your words, why should white America “vote against their interests?”

    First, where did I say that in this piece?

    Second, as is often the case we’re talking past each other. So, before we go further, let me make sure I understand what has already transpired.

    1) I said Clyburn and Lewis could no more get elected POTUS today than in 1864, based on the fact nothing mitigates their slave heritage.
    2) You asked me to explain the white working class vote for Clyburn and Lewis (I assumed for the offices they now occupy).
    3) I answered that at a local level race plays a smaller role. At state-wide or national politics, things change.
    4) You’re looking for an answer I haven’t given. So help me get where I’m losing you.

  156. We were not winning hearts and minds.

    Poolman, that’s what I find odd about the women’s march. They seemed to revel in the camaraderie, not in actually influencing policy. Ashley Judd talking about her menstrual cycle is for the crowd. It does NOTHING to further an agenda.

    And if you even listen to the attendees, they talked about how good it felt to be there. As I said earlier, a feel good love-in much like a Bernie rally. Lots of noise signifying nothing.

    Contrast that with Trump rallies. They translated to votes. Conservatives seem to understand the entire process to effect change. Libs don’t seem to have the follow through.

  157. You’re losing it right here:

    “You asked me to explain the white working class vote for Clyburn and Lewis (I assumed for the offices they now occupy).”

    No, what I was getting at was:

    “Why would working class whites vote for ‘traditional’ black dems like Jim Clyburn or John Lewis [for President]?”

    Then I gave you this:

    “but to sharpen [my point], since so much of the traditional urban black (“real black”) politics you’re referring to are really anti-white, whose racism is to blame, the candidate’s or the electorate’s? Saying America isn’t ready for your version of a real black candidate is a bullshit reversal. The question ought to be, “is the candidate ready to lead America?”

    And by that I mean “all of America.”

    You place identity above policy. If a Clyburn or a Lewis or any other black that qualifies under your definition doesn’t run on a platform of racial comeuppance (Carson or Cain or Keyes???), then I don’t see that America isn’t ready for them. It’s that you’re not.

    So back to my question which was “why vote for a CLyburn or Lewis type?” High minded idealism above self interest?

  158. One day I will google “comeuppance”. Until then, I will awkwardky smile and nod my head in approval when Tigre uses the term.

  159. Ok, Tigre let me take another stab. You’re saying why would a white vote a black man to POTUS whose implicit credo is “hate whitey”?

    I’ll let you answer that before I go further. I think the key to our having a productive exchange is baby steps and yes I’ll take the blame for that.

  160. I loved those pusy hat marchers. I bet they created a net loss of 20,000 Dem voters. This nation is laughing at the left…And they don’t get it. Riot, wear pusy hats….Talk about safe spaces and letting men into the female head. Keep at it!

  161. “You’re saying why would a white vote a black man to POTUS whose implicit credo is “hate whitey”?”

    Or favor blackey. Tomato, tomahtoe. I’m guessing blacks won’t line up for David Duke.

    “I’ll let you answer that before I go further.”

    I thought I had, three different ways. They wouldn’t, but if they did, high minded idealism or white guilt. But that’s the bullshit elitist feel good stuff. Not voting “hate whitey” doesn’t make one racist or unready for a trus African American president.

    Is what I wrote really that unclear. I keep having to say the same thing.. .

    Now, your answer in the context of the “social experiment ” is????

  162. muffy – ‘Lemme ask you a simple question – if Hillary had won would there have been a march?’

    If you put it that way… No I don’t think there would have been a march. At least not by the left.

    ‘The march on Saturday was against white men in power, Trump in particular.’

    That is too simple. It was about the Republican view/plans of/for America. The Republican controlled congress, cabinet etc. thinks they were given the keys to the kingdom and with trump as president it is a dream come true for them. Trump is more than unhinged and some of us are quite concerned.

    I would like to see more women in congress. Wouldn’t you?

    ‘A conservative advocates for conservative principles of free market, limited government, and individual liberties guaranteed by the bill of rights. If given the chance to live a life based on conservative principles, every child born in the US will have the chance to prosper.’

    Sounds like Utopia.

  163. I would like to see more women in congress. Wouldn’t you?

    I would prefer to see integrity restored, no matter what gender, race, or creed.

  164. I feel sorry for the majority of females who marched where ever they marched.
    These women are having their minds and hearts played with by some very nefarious parties. I would not say they are being set up as some type of fodder but they are totally being played and all round screwed over and for the most part by a handful of men. Symbolically the marchers are being wined,dined, fucked and left with a false promise of a relationship.

    I know a few women,literally three, who participated in marches/protests and all I could say was “What do you intend to do next week,month…”?

  165. Massachusetts is going all in on stupid. Primarily in the area of sanctuary city stuff a number of communities and activists are pushing for action. One state Senator has even drafted legislation that is meant to defy the Constitutions of both the Commonwealth and the USA.
    Classic example of what I meant earlier when I said multiple gauntlets-not enough hands or brain cells to pick ’em up.

  166. muffy –
    As to the claim that women have fought and died for my freedoms and advantages – you haven’t cited a single one.

    Perhaps I should not have assumed…you are a female – a woman – a gender that is not male?
    Just sayin.

  167. JAL what are you honestly concerned about?

    This present Republican Party and trump. I don’t know what to expect from them. But from how things are going so far I feel we are in real trouble. I realize we, you and I, have a different idea for what the richest most powerful country in world should offer its citizens. This country is being sold out… and not to the highest bidder. I believe the average person does not have much power and will see little benefit from it.

  168. I just found out Ashley Judd didn’t even write that smut she recited at the march. It was by some Southern “poet”. I shoulda known she wasn’t even bright enough to recite her own shit.

    As for Madonna: Detroit bimbo, most of whose songs exploit her own sexuality, fakes British accent for several years and now says she wants the current president dead. How long has it been since her last hit?

  169. Lurker’s momma, her momma’s momma and her momma’s momma’s momma fought and died for Ashley Judd to beclown herself and all of her angry vagina wearing cretans to recite unoriginal disgusting shit like that. Show some respect.

  170. “that’s what I find odd about the women’s march. They seemed to revel in the camaraderie, not in actually influencing policy. Ashley Judd talking about her menstrual cycle is for the crowd. It does NOTHING to further an agenda.”

    I am woman, hear me bore.

  171. “The Republican controlled congress, cabinet etc. thinks they were given the keys to the kingdom…”

    No, they were given keys to the car. Now get in back.

    Remember that one? Boy, how you all chuckled. Har de har har.

    What?…you mean it’s not funny anymore?

    Deal with it.

  172. I don’t even know who Ashley Judd is. I think country star. As for Madonna…We don’t claim her and she doesn’t claim us.

  173. “I would like to see more women in congress. Wouldn’t you?”

    I would like to see more competent people in congress. I don’t care what they do and don’t have between their legs.

  174. “As for Madonna…We don’t claim her and she doesn’t claim us.”

    Oooooooh no. She’s all yours, and so is Michael Moore.

  175. Evidently, the big student protest I stayed home to avoid was a total joke. It rained here that day and pretty much the only people who wanted to go make their stand in it were the members of the student group that “organized” it. The picture in the school paper has 10 people in it. And it’s a wide lens in use.

    Keep in mind that my school has one of the largest Hispanic student populations in the country and a female student population of over 60%.

  176. “Women who fought and died for your right to vote.”

    OK, women didnt die getting the vote. Nor legalizing abortion, etc. (Im a woman btw.)

    Im over the protest bullshit. And it just doesnt get any absurd than what went in in DC on Saturday.

    Im sure your hearts in the right place nonetheless.

  177. I don’t know what to expect from them. But from how things are going so far I feel we are in real trouble.

    MAH FEELZ! I OPPOSE BECAUSE OF MAH FEELZ!

    I realize we, you and I, have a different idea for what the richest most powerful country in world should offer its citizens.

    Sure, sure…but that’s only because I’ve actually read the Charter and the Bylaws, and therefore KNOW it doesn’t have the authority to redistribute the wealth of some of its citizens in order to buy votes from the other.

    Its really quite simple. If the government legitimately had all the power and authority to “offer” what its most mendacious elected officials continually want to “offer” its citizens, then no one would be a citizen. We would be subjects. And we wouldn’t be individuals, we would be cogs, and our value would be determined solely by our value to the state.

    This country is being sold out… and not to the highest bidder.

    You mean like the uranium sales to foreign powers facilitated by the Clinton Grift , or gifts to “big pharma” and monopoly given to a handful of insurers in ObamaDoesCare? Or are you talking about the tax money pissed away to Solyndra? Ooooohh ooooohhh, I know! You’re talking about the Spendulous Program that was a combination slush fund and payback program for the Demcong Party?

    Anyone remember Obama appointing ol’ “Sheriff” Joe Biden to oversee how that money was being spent? Still, I never heard anything but crickets on the allocations of funds to non-existent Congressional districts. Maybe Joe had too much paste on his hands from his snacks to look into it.

    I believe the average person does not have much power and will see little benefit from it.

    If this really does bother you, the prescription is very simple. SHRINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Push it back into its cage. Repeal the 16th and the 17th Amendments, thus starving the many-headed hydra, and giving state governments their seats back at the table, thus befitting their role as co-sovereigns.

  178. She’s all yours, and so is Michael Moore.

    The Nuge totally cancels out Moore. Duh.

    And no. She really isn’t ours.

  179. I thought she was a Rochester type, from those North East suburbs.

    I remember reading that she spend some time in Draginaw. It stuck in my memory because I thought “Huh. So like DeToqueville on his famous visit to the US, she came to Saginaw, saw it, and left.”

  180. “I would like to see more women in congress. Wouldn’t you?”

    I would like to see more conservative women in congress.

  181. MAH FEELZ! I OPPOSE BECAUSE OF MAH FEELZ!

    I’ve lectured Lurker on liberal arrogance but it looks no better on conservatives. You don’t need to be quite so condescending. Alfie asked her what concerned her and she gave an honest answer.

  182. Tulsi Gabbard (is hot as hell but she) deserves a formal censure at the least for her unauthorized meeting with Assad, which she has now admitted to.

  183. I haven’t read about the Gabbard-Assad meeting but you’re right Huck, she is hot as hell … and a Bernie supporter who spat figuratively in Debbie Whatsername-Schultz face. 😀

  184. Something to think about. When I first saw this tweet I said “hell, yes!” If Rahm Emanuel can’t get the job done then let Donald do it.

    BUT

    I bet any fed move (military?) would be viewed as totalitarian/racist (ironically racist … when it might save black lives)

    AND

    How would you States rights junkies (I’m looking at YOU BiC) feel about Fed involvement in a local crime problem?

  185. “I would like to see more women in congress. Wouldn’t you?”

    What I would like is to have congress with more women. Kind of the same thing, don’cha think?

  186. I bet any fed move (military?) would be viewed as totalitarian/racist (ironically racist … when it might save black lives)
    How would you States rights junkies (I’m looking at YOU BiC) feel about Fed involvement in a local crime problem?

    coughPosse Comitatus cough

  187. Ok BiC you sent me googling. Interestingly enacted during the admin of my namesake, Rutherford B Hayes.

    So I take it, federal law forbids such interference in local matters. With that said, where do you think Trump was going with that tweet?

  188. Cough cough US Marshalls and FPS not impacted by posse C . Trumps all bluster but the Feds could go to Windy City ala Mississippi Burning. They won’t though.

  189. Rutherford, have I got a career path for you!

    You see, these Dimocrats are investigating how to talk to “real people” while they triangulate a new strategy {snicker}. And they’re conducting seminars and such to teach these Dims “how to talk to real people.” 😆

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/democrats-real-people-lessons-234198

    Well, I figure I owe you for eight years of bad mouthing you on your own blog and I consider myself about as ‘real’ as it gets, including some of the best of simpleton features.

    And I want to vouch for your bonafides about how natural are you in “talking to us real people” on your blog everyday. You’re a natural fit for this job. Maybe you can talk some sense into these dopes you’re politically allied with.

    And I know you can do better than MaDonna and Ashley Judd.

  190. Good, thoughtful piece, R. I would offer this observation: things are tough all over. My people are not still lamenting Culloden or a hundred other atrocities and slights. It’s a dead-end street, and eventually other people get tired of being blamed for somebody else’s problems. That’s the past. The Jews have a recent past that makes black folks’ look like schoolyard play, but they have moved on. They make sure everybody remembers, but they don’t dwell on it every day.

    IMHO inner-city black folks have used up all their chits. I do not include my black farmer-neighbors in that; you couldn’t find better people or more loyal friends. A whole lot of white people must have voted for Hussein, or he wouldn’t have been elected (twice), while almost no blacks (less than 1%) voted for his opponents. If that ain’t black racism, I don’t know what is; if Obama’s election is not white vindication of the same charge, ditto.

    So the race card doesn’t work anymore. Nor do the myriad excuses for the incredible crime rate of young black men. The country is looking at YOU, and they want YOU to do something about problems created by YOU.

    The man who tells you the comfortable lie is not your friend. Your friend is the man who will tell you the uncomfortable truth.

  191. Yeah Rutherford…. That’s a great idea. Next time you are in Michigan you can film yourself talking to the Rabbit, a real motherfuckers’ motherfucker. You than can use it as a training tool for your douche elites.

  192. Cough cough US Marshalls and FPS not impacted by posse C . Trumps all bluster but the Feds could go to Windy City ala Mississippi Burning. They won’t though.

    I was responding to R’s inclusion in his question that it could be the military.

    I think that part of the problem is Federal involvement. The Chicago Police are under a consent decree thanks to Obama’s Department of JustUs, which imposes onerous and silly requirements on the police that result in more paperwork if they end up doing what should be part and parcel of their job.

    To then send in Federal Law Enforcement agents who aren’t hamstrung by the same ridiculous requirements would be….offensive….to say the least.

  193. Its my understanding that there is no consent decree only an agreement in principle which sadly was signed by Lynch on the 17th.
    I agree Sessions first order of business should be to scrap the “investigation ” and not enact the Lynch report.
    CPD is fucked though and needs an intervention. It also needs a fiscal exam.
    As for whether the increased deployment of state and federal law enforcement into Chicago is a good idea I disagree w BIC. I think Chicago needs and its citizens deserve a cavalry moment.
    I’ll close with saying that every democrat delay on AG is a pound of responsibility the Ds own over every crime in Chicago.

  194. As for whether the increased deployment of state and federal law enforcement into Chicago is a good idea I disagree w BIC. I think Chicago needs and its citizens deserve a cavalry moment.

    It can’t be fixed by the cavalry. It would require the equivalent of a roto-rooter.

  195. I’ll close with saying that every democrat delay on AG is a pound of responsibility the Ds own over every crime in Chicago.

    That’s cute.

    It’s almost as amusing as expecting Democrats to be accountable for the failures of their governance, rather than them demanding to be sent back with more.

  196. I was kind of hoping to be able to ignore Washington with the Dems sidelined for a while but Trump is making that difficult.

    He didn’t go there to tinker, yo.

  197. I have not noticed anyone pointing out that the senior State Department officials that have resigned,thus allegedly leaving Trump in T-Rex in a bind, are the fuck twats that fucked up in Russia (Nuland) and are root cause players in Benghazi specific and Libya in general clusterfuck. Mmmmm

  198. Survey:
    Should the National Parks Service top the list the next time furloughs are needed?
    Alfie: They should be furloughed right now through the summer.

  199. Gawd, I love it. Trump is laying the wood to Mehico ass. And Mehico’s response is we can fight too! 😆 😆 Wait until we cut off those exports, Mehico. Take that oil and shove it up your greasy ass. Time to turn on the American spigots.

    You mofos been threatening the U.S. with your votes? My, how the worm has turned. We in turn are going to threaten very well being of your entire chithole country in less than 4 years.

    I got to give Trump credit. He’s doing all the right things. Now get our asses out of that feckless U.N. and boot them to Babylon where they belong. 😆 😆

  200. Just to clarify….do the recent “Women’s March” costumes suggest we are returning to a time when genders are identified by what’s in the pants?.

    I ask because they were all dressed up like pussies and not brains.

  201. May pushing the Anglosphere button hard!

    LOL When she lauded the Declaration of Independence I had to laugh. Yo lady, do you know whom we were declaring independence from? 😀

  202. Trump is laying the wood to Mehico ass.

    When Trump says until we can have mutual respect there is no sense meeting, I don’t know what to think. I admire the honesty but honesty is not diplomacy.

  203. do the recent “Women’s March” costumes suggest we are returning to a time when genders are identified by what’s in the pants?

    It is kind of a mixed message when the person asking to be judged by her abilities is dressed up like a vagina.

  204. “When Trump says until we can have mutual respect there is no sense meeting, I don’t know what to think. I admire the honesty but honesty is not diplomacy.”

    Diplomacy is simply the ways in which a country relates to another country.

  205. “It is kind of a mixed message when the person asking to be judged by her abilities is dressed up like a vagina.”

    It’s also a mixed message after being told the last few years that gender is a state of mind.

  206. I’m trying to figure out how long to give Trump before I decide we are in deep shit.

    I just saw a financial reporter indicate that any 20% tariff placed on Mexico’s exports to us will be borne by US, not by Mexico. This same reporter wondered aloud why Trump is not doing a victory lap over the new Dow high – instead, he’s obsessing on fucking inaugural crowd size.

    I’m telling you. We elected a looney tune. The only question is how much good can he get done before he self destructs.

    P.S. Gov departments like the EPA are starting up rogue Twitter accounts to counteract Trump crackdown on gov social media. That’s some scary shit.

  207. Fast forward to 3:30. This description of Team Trump’s use of language is chilling.

    Then again we have verbal bullies on this blog so some of you revel in this.

  208. Oh no…. People from the EPA are voicing their private opinions on Twitter!!! Noooooo! It’s rogue! How will Trump function?????

  209. “I just saw a financial reporter indicate that any 20% tariff placed on Mexico’s exports to us will be borne by US, not by Mexico.”

    Yeah. It’s idiotic. That’s how this works. All the tax does is raise the price of imports because and places the burden of collecting the the tax on U.S. entity. Liberals are finally figuring out how tax works? Hellelujah. Now they’re starting to understand that raising a tax on evil, greedy corporations just raises the cost to consumers. Corporations are simply collect. Got that Rutherford?

  210. “Gov departments like the EPA are starting up rogue Twitter accounts to counteract Trump crackdown on gov social media. That’s some scary shit.”

    So fucking what? There’s a ton of fake twitter accounts masquerading as intelligence agency employees. Fake News. Disinformation. Destructive lIberal propaganda. Ummmm. . . all par for the course.

  211. What is scary, is that a lot of Mexican built cars come here to be outfitted with American built parts.

    But this is a game of chicken.

    One which I think we can ultimately win.

    But what do I know…Pretty much nothing when it comes to international trade.

    I will say this…I am willing to pay more for American built goods. This cheap throw away culture isn’t cost effective if you have to replace a pair of shoes (and other Chink-slave made shit every year) Key is quality and not buying into fad bull shit. I bought a pair of American made boots. I can get them resoled and figured I would. 4 years later and I don’t even need a resole, yet. I would have spent 400 bucks in shitty Skechers by now. Instead I spent 300 that ultimately stayed in America. Plus, I have 100 bux.

  212. “I just saw a financial reporter indicate that any 20% tariff placed on Mexico’s exports to us will be borne by US, not by Mexico.”

    There’s a false assumption these innumerate, illiterate Lefties are embracing, once again demonstrating how little understanding they have of economics, trade, finances, and true power.

    The fact 80% of Mexico’s exports are to one country and these liabilities to country called Liberals assume there’s another market out there just waiting to pick up Mexico’s loss.

    Rutherford doesn’t understand the game of high stakes poker, especially when Trump has four aces sitting in the hole.

    In words you might understand, Rutherford? America has Mexico by the economic balls and Mr. President Trump is now going to demonstrate to you parrots the art of the deal… 😉

  213. P.S. – I’ve thought all along as far as Mexico paying for the wall, the final deal will be that Mexico will get to pay for “half” of it. And that’s how Trump is setting them up.

  214. “P.S. – I’ve thought all along as far as Mexico paying for the wall, the final deal will be that Mexico will get to pay for “half” of it. And that’s how Trump is setting them up.”

    I’d like to watch this unroll. Until then, the claim that an import tax is the same as “making Mexico” pay for the wall is total b.s. If you’re right though, he will get the last laugh.

    Gotta admit, seeing as how these south of the border countries operate when squeezed, I wonder if it a Russia or China could move in right beneath us and create a bigger problem.

    I’ll have to check in on Ace. IMO, it’s among the best political blogs going.

  215. LOL. Muffy I saw that piece on Ace the other day. The worst thing that could happen to the left is if we play by their rules. They really don’t seem to get that.

  216. Fast forward to 3:30. This description of Team Trump’s use of language is chilling.

    Are you for real, esse?

    The description is one of a Lefty who realizes that the Left no longer controls the narrative, and can’t use it to beat down the people who disagree with them. It’s a far cry from “denying reality”, which has been part and parcel of the Left’s wishcasting for YEARS now.

  217. Gotta admit, seeing as how these south of the border countries operate when squeezed, I wonder if it a Russia or China could move in right beneath us and create a bigger problem.

    I was thinking the same thing myself, which is why I was wondering if it wouldn’t make more sense to simply tax the remittances.

  218. “I just saw a financial reporter indicate that any 20% tariff placed on Mexico’s exports to us will be borne by US, not by Mexico.”

    Only if people in the US buy the product.

    That’s the whole point of a tariff. Someone makes a product in another country and ships it here cheaper than they can make it here. They get a profit and maybe even undercut the price of domestic goods. The tariff places a tax on that stuff so that the domestic goods can compete price-wise.

    If the import is no longer cheaper, what is the motivation to buy it? And as Tex pointed out, there aren’t a bunch of other countries lining up to buy Mexican imports.

  219. Taxing remittances is a great idea for encouraging self deportations and getting home countries attention. Neither it or a tariff is building a wall. I say open up free fire zones and add some land mines. Far cheaper and effective.
    As fir the social media pussies I say get a grip. You work for Apple you can’t tweet or Facebook that the iPhone 7 sucks without repercussions. The fed fucks also need to be reminded that when on my dime they need to keep their opinions to themselves.

  220. The last decade, I’ve wanted to ask many of the Left why they even consider Mexico a friendly nation to the U.S.?

    How many Mexican flags need to be waved by Mexicans living in America at these marches, parades, schools, and sporting events, before we American born can ask the fair question, “Exactly where do your loyalties lie and exactly when are you going to make a true attempt to assimilate into our society?”

  221. The Left has lost all credibility. I know most of the people here have understood that for years, but it needs to be said again and again. The Left gets just about everything wrong these days.

    I’ll point to Rutherford a simple fact of how real monetary experts see this impending trade war between winners and losers.

    Right now, the dollar is strengthening, in large part why the stock market continues to rise. And the Peso is literally in free fall. What would be the first question somebody seeking expected outcomes should ask?

    I promise you behind closed doors at this minute someplace in Mexico City, somebody is putting pen to paper adding up is it cheaper to build a wall and leave NAFTA alone, or can we (Mexico) truly hold out in a trade war with 80% of our market on the line? Mexico is already lost incredible purchasing power and the war hasn’t even started. Why do you think Mexico is wailing so much? Why do you think Mexican Americans are using terms like Hitler?

    Trump plays a dangerous game. But Mexico stands far and away with the greatest long-term risk. Who knows if these arrogant schmucks can finally come to admit that. Probably not. But Mexico will lose.

    This is too awfully different than what Reagan did to the USSR and put them in decline ending the original cold war, of which Bozo and Hillary started back up with their stupid and cowardice.

  222. Mexico and Brazil have actually been very protectionist when it comes to China. I don’t think Russia will bother in LA even Cuba. Syria and Vietnam are actually the two spheric moves they are most likely to entertain.

  223. The Soviets had a pretty good wall. I am old enough to remember the novel stories of a few escapes. Some one tunneled from East to West Berlin, for example.

    I also think taxing remittances might work.

    Muffy, why don’t you have a Thatcher vibe? I have been digging out from a snow storm, skiing, etc while my wife has been stuck in Omaha. I have hardly watched the news this week. You know more about this than I do.

  224. I’m not getting a Thatcher vibe from May.

    Me neither. At least not yet. I find it more like Obama believing he was Lincoln reincarnated, until he became a lot more like an Obamanation and Prophet Mohammad than Honest Obe. 😛

  225. I’m behind on comments but I’m guessing many here who mock the women’s march are cheering for today’s 44th annual anti-abortion march.

    Funny how the cause dictates how much you mock the method. 😐

  226. People from the EPA are voicing their private opinions on Twitter!!!

    Dumb. It’s not “private opinions”. It’s alternative Twitter accounts BY THE AGENCIES telling Trump to fuck himself.

    We are looking at the potential fracturing of government in reaction to Trump. I’m glad you think that’s a nothingburger.

  227. “Dumb. It’s not “private opinions”. It’s alternative Twitter accounts BY THE AGENCIES telling Trump to fuck himself.”

    Total nothingburger. Fuck them — the EPA in particular that told its own to shut the fuck up when it came to any anti-warmist bullshit. This is the sound of the stranglehold being forcibly released.

    What’s next, mean tweets about Trump from Lois Lerner and the IRS?

    Good riddance fuckers. Scientists may read the bullshit, and likely respond to it. The Rutherfords of the world will only get whipped up by the liberal media fury over it. And I say. . . keep digging.

  228. America has Mexico by the economic balls and Mr. President Trump is now going to demonstrate to you parrots the art of the deal

    That sounds like a platitude worthy of Sean Spicer. Will or will not the tax be passed onto us? What if Trump’s art of the deal depends on YOUR financial contribution?

  229. “I’m behind on comments but I’m guessing many here who mock the women’s march are cheering for today’s 44th annual anti-abortion march.”

    Millions of baby’s fought and died for that march.

    I’m sure we’ll see it plastered all over the media like pussy-costume parade.

  230. Funny how the cause dictates how much you mock the method. 😐

    I’ll make you a promise.

    If Anne Graham Lotz, Billy Graham’s daughter, or anybody like her comes dressed as a vagina, or calls Obama or Hillary Hitler/Nazi and talks about the blood in their panties, or talks about blowing up the Obama DC house, I will profusely apologize for my side and their methods of protest.

    Otherwise, that has to rank as one of the dumbest of your many, many, many dumb comments there, Chief.

  231. “I’m behind on comments but I’m guessing many here who mock the women’s march are cheering for today’s 44th annual anti-abortion march.”

    I’m guessing you had no idea why they were mocked.

    Look at the difference in message. “Women’s march” vs “anti-abortion march”. One is targeted, with a clear, single message delivered by people who weren’t dressed up as vaginas.

    What was the message of the other one? “We have pussies”? “We are pussies”? What? Even Lurker couldn’t answer that question without ridiculous hyperbole.

    i’m indifferent to both marches. They all had the right to march and they all seemed to do so peacefully. I applaud that. But other than marching, their similarities end, and that isn’t limited to the difference in message.

  232. If the import is no longer cheaper, what is the motivation to buy it?

    Ok I get that and I see how that hurts Mexico but it also means we are now buying the more expensive non-Mexican alternative product. So we get hurt in the process of hurting Mexico.

  233. That sounds like a platitude worthy of Sean Spicer. Will or will not the tax be passed onto us? What if Trump’s art of the deal depends on YOUR financial contribution?

    It’s not a tax, dipstick. It’s a choice. A tax is a mandate outside the bounds of my purview. A choice is personal decision. If by chance Tequila becomes 20% more expensive because of a Trump tariff, I can (1) Choose not to buy it; (2) Let free enterprise dictate the price when supply goes down, or demand goes down by waiting; (3) Buy an alternative or buy from an alternative provider.

    You keep calling a tariff a tax as if money is dictatorially removed your paycheck because refried beans went up 20%. Of course, you’re the same dude which calls a tax “revenue” too. So the only thing I know for sure is I won’t be using you for sound financial planning anytime soon. 😉

  234. “Ok I get that and I see how that hurts Mexico but it also means we are now buying the more expensive non-Mexican alternative product. So we get hurt in the process of hurting Mexico.”

    War is hell. And last I remember liberals were saying we all need to sacrifice when we engage in them.

    At least it’s not the draft.

  235. I say open up free fire zones and add some land mines. Far cheaper and effective.
    As fir the social media pussies I say get a grip.

    I think you’re off on both points. The very first time a Mexican (or South American) family of three gets blown up by a land mine, we’ll have a crisis on our hands.

    As for social media, it appears the agencies are being pressured not to issue tweets CONSISTENT WITH THEIR MISSION.

    To use your analogy it would be like the Apple CEO having a nervous breakdown and deciding iPhones work by magic – and then instructing his digital marketing team to stop all technology related tweets.

  236. “That sounds like a platitude worthy of Sean Spicer. Will or will not the tax be passed onto us? What if Trump’s art of the deal depends on YOUR financial contribution?”

    forehead slap

  237. As for the mines. That was some tongue in cheek but seriously physical barriers won’t be beneficial but harsh violence really is the only deterrent left.
    Crisis is a state of mind and quite honestly I no longer mind.

  238. Rutherford it might be in our best interest to buy the “more expensive ” alternative. Keep in mind though that not all things made in Mexico or China provide the consumer savings.

  239. Fucking Rutherford wasting my time with Bee and the Russian dissident dyke who lies and spews nonsense . That video only demonstrates Bee being like all the other leftards. Seriously I’m honestly angry I wasted my time watching that. #fake

  240. “As for social media, it appears the agencies are being pressured not to issue tweets CONSISTENT WITH THEIR MISSION.”

    They were being pressured not to issue tweets or statements or even studies that were inconsistent with the AGENDA, NOT THEIR MISSION.

  241. “Keep in mind though that not all things made in Mexico or China provide the consumer savings.”

    Particularly if it has to be replaced quickly.

  242. Like Huck, I don’t spend much emotional capital on the marches. However, I feel more kindly toward the pro- life marchers because the media has tended to ignore them, and I think that like the Tea Party, they pick up after themselves.

    Their main spokespeople are less vulgar than the women’s marchers and they didn’t ban anyone.

  243. We don’t need explosives and maybe have live ammunition kept in reserve. Blast illegals with tranquilizers.

    Mexico has much to lose in a trade battle too. If this costs us something it is the price of battle. Surely both sides can reach an agreement.

  244. Crisis is a state of mind and quite honestly I no longer mind.

    Wait until the Social Security and Medicaid trust funds are empty.

    I heard an interview yesterday where the guest was talking about it, and saying that “The only unacceptable option is to do nothing.”

    I laughed and said “It requires nothing of the people who have the authority to address it. Nothing is what will happen.”

  245. Fucking Rutherford wasting my time with Bee and the Russian dissident dyke who lies and spews nonsense .

    Pretty knee jerk Alfie. You hear the story of, I think, a football player who showed Vlad his Super Bowl ring and Vlad kept it? The Russian “dyke” describes a communication method that tacitly says fuck you in the most sinister way.

    It’s not “I have your pencil box and I’m not giving it back”. That would be bad enough. This is, I’m gonna hold your pencil box right in front of you and say I don’t have it. So he’s not only stolen the pencil box, he’s hijacked reality.

    It’s Trump’s BULLSHIT that loads of Muslims watched the towers fall from NJ and cheered. DIDN’T FUCKING HAPPEN!!! But a good 30% of the country think it did cos Trump says so. And a good 30% will believe any lie he tells. Or any delusion he sells. That’s what really is starting to scare me about him. I don’t think he knows he’s lying. He’s delusional. He’s crazy.

  246. Sorry gang, until Ace of Spades realizes it’s 2017 and offers a mobile ready blog, he gets no more than a B+ from me.

    I shouldn’t have to go to a PC to read his stuff. 😡

  247. Actually Vlad stole Patriots owner Robert Kraft’s ring.
    No it isn’t knee jerk when I suffer through an alleged comedienne “interviewing” a gender x douchebag who doesn’t have a fucking clue as to reality. Trump ISN’T going to initiate WWIII. Fuck me. Trump was not the creator of the “dancing in the streets” meme btw.
    I also take exception,which kind of sucks for me since I didn’t vote for him,that Trump is the bully taunting the little guy with the pencil box. I find he is the bigger bully who beats the shit out of the pencil box crook and gives the box back to the little kid.
    I’m fucking ALL DONE with people doing bullshit analysis of Trumps character via applying their opinions and nightmares on him.

  248. And a good 30% will believe any lie he tells.

    “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

    “I saved us from another great depression.”

    “The unemployment numbers have gone down.”

    “Recovery Summer.”

    “Republicans are obstructionist, and that’s why I had to close open air memorials that are otherwise open 24/7.

  249. Shit. I thought R was pointing to the dumb video as another example of “look how unhinged the left is.” You were taking that seriously?

  250. It was the pencil box piece that very much chilled me. I’m not promoting Bee as some sort of journalist. As Alfie said, she’s a comedienne. But I found Masha’s pencil box analogy very compelling.

    And frankly I think this notion of Trump being the anti-bully is wishful thinking. What evidence from his past supports this? I know he’s doing the populist thing and I love that IF I felt I could trust it. But I don’t yet trust it.

  251. Furthermore, as I told my wife today, Trump has given me fucking whiplash. One minute I’m looking at Trump with admiration for his refusal to play the BS dignified POTUS routine. He is unapologetically Trump and I honestly like that. When he joked with Theresa May about how lousy a British reporter was, I cracked up. From Washington to Obama, no one would have done that.

    Then he says something that horrifies me and my head snaps back in the opposite direction. His interview with Sean Hannity was unreal. A goddam Cheers discussion in the White House. I was waiting for Sam Malone to come over and ask them what they wanted to drink.

    With each passing day I view this as a crapshoot and you guys become more and more confident he’s the next Ronald Reagan.

  252. “The NYT does not call the tune any longer. Voters get their news from a jillion sources on the Internet. The Times is a voice and a big voice. But there are a billion other voices now. And about half of the nation just does not believe Big Media any longer. They don’t buy the vicious lie that white people are all racists. They know that the Black Caucus and Black Lives Matter are real racists. They know Joe Sixpack isn’t and anyway, they don’t care.”

    https://spectator.org/the-assassination-of-donald-trump/

  253. A decent article that defeats itself by leading with the notion Watergate was a nothingburger and borrowing a phrase from Spiro Agnew like he’s some prophet instead of just a common hood who disgraced the Vice Presidency.

  254. With each passing day I view this as a crapshoot and you guys become more and more confident he’s the next Ronald Reagan.

    It is as if this nation is unraveling to me. This guy is going to give it all away to his cronies. It seems we are in for some fast and furious fucking. Takers are feeling triumphant.

  255. I’m not tired of winter yet, Tex. Something strange is happening here. Regions from near us, south have had a snow drought. Omaha has only had about five inches of snow with two ice storms so far this season.

    Before this last storm, Chicago went 37 days without snow. Sioux City got 8 inches for the season. Meanwhile, our narrow corridor has had over twenty inches of snow for the season. Four of our eight storms gave our farm some of the heaviest snow totals. This defies the odds.

    We got five inches with two to three foot drifts last week. Over twenty inches of snow fell less than 100 miles north of us. The Valentine, Nebraska observer told the Weather Service that he would be late reporting the snow amount, because a drift trapped him inside of his house.

    I love this weather.

  256. I prefer summer myself. We have been very rainy this winter. The high country has had plenty of snow. All the mountain peaks surrounding us are white with snow. Skiers be loving it. Our temperature dipped to 31 degrees about an hour ago, the coldest here so far this winter.

    Apparently southern California is no longer in drought. The last trip we made to Riverside it was evident by how green all the hills were.

  257. Tex, I visited the grannies and wrote “I told you so.” that on every major debate over the last eight years, I was right, and they were wrong.
    Someone with whom I had a cordial relationship blamed Hillary’s gender for her loss. Someone else told me to stop gloating and be gone.

    They are the liberal press, entertainers, and progressives in microcosm. They are too twisted and emotionally invested in their dangerous ideology for redemption.

    Trump is not Reagan, but he can bully the bullies. If he can control himself and avoid silly arguments like crowd size he has a chance, especially while the left is factually unarmed.

  258. Yes, Poolman, a good part of California is no longer under drought, and and the snow pack is much larger than normal. Our son says the hills in northern California are green.

    Our coldest temperature so far is -20 with lows a hundred miles north at -35.

    It is all relative. A Manitoba station asked viewers how they liked the mild winter ten years ago. One said, ” if I liked mild winters, I would have moved to Duluth.”

  259. James, I think Trump is smarter than I initially gave him credit for. You know what I think he’s doing to the press? Putting them on wild goose chases, while Trump dismantles Obama’s horrid changes. And the media is so full of bile, they go on their TV shows and blather about crowd size while Trump dumps trade deals and Obama’s legacy. 🙂

    Maybe Trump is just lucky, but he plays these fools like no Republican I’ve ever seen.

  260. It is as if this nation is unraveling to me. This guy is going to give it all away to his cronies.

    Get a grip Francis.

    Solyndra? Several other “loans” to other “green” energy companies that went bye-bye?

    How much did we pay the Friends of Obama consultants for an ObamaDoesn’tCare webportal that didn’t work?

    The GM “bankruptcy” that wasn’t that resulted in the Union getting seats on the board of directors when the secured creditors got the shaft? “Our” “stake” in the company being quietly sold back at a loss (one which I didn’t get to claim on my taxes)?

  261. Maybe Trump is just lucky, but he plays these fools like no Republican I’ve ever seen.

    A. He isn’t a Republican. He’s a populist.

    B. It isn’t luck. Its the fact that he is a honey badger, and that’s merely an extension of the fact that he isn’t a career politician, which is why the Left and the Media (BIRM) are unable to cow him like they are career Republicans.

    The fact that he has managed to control the agenda, and even has these fools reporting on his tweets as a daily feature is merely gravy.

  262. A decent article that defeats itself by leading with the notion Watergate was a nothingburger and borrowing a phrase from Spiro Agnew like he’s some prophet instead of just a common hood who disgraced the Vice Presidency.

    In 1973, Agnew was investigated by the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. He was charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000 while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, Governor of Maryland, and Vice President.

    The Clintons (through their “Foundation”) call that a five minute phone call.
    And compared to the lawlessness of the last 8 years, which I have documented in no less than three articles, Watergate was a nothingburger. Nixon was an amateur. If only he was the second black President, then he could have neutralized every last bit of scrutiny by claiming “racism”.

  263. I agree that Trump is being a bully. Obama was a bully, too. We said as much for years and millions of Rutherfords told us his bullying was really a bunch of nothingburgers we had to deal with because he was given a mandate.

  264. I don’t approve of all of these executive orders. I can understand executive orders to end Obama’s executive orders, but I don’t like the ones that are just him keeping his campaign promises and circumventing written law–even if it’s laws I don’t like. The integrity of the legislative process is more important to me than a presidential candidate’s promises.

  265. Legal backing isn’t the issue, giving orders that the law not be enforced as written is. Am I mistaken that’s what he’s done with the ObamaCare mandate?

  266. Lefty lemons all puckered over Trumps bullying are as sour and spoiled as the lunatics wearing cooter costumes flapping over Trumps bad language.

  267. Putting them on wild goose chases, while Trump dismantles Obama’s horrid changes.

    There is zero doubt the media is chasing stupid headlines and then suggesting that Trump is persisting in stupidity. THEY are extending the number of news cycles occupied by crowd size, not Trump.

    I’m beginning to doubt the intellectual rigor of our media. They pursue the Entertainment Tonight headlines instead of the tough policy matters.

    The media is playing their role in our demise.

  268. BiC Watergate wasn’t a nothingburger and by your own documentation Agnew was a bum. Your “but they did it too” doesn’t hold up in court as you know much better than I do.

  269. Rutherford the burden is upon you and yours…..Where is the bullying?

    The bullying in Masha’s analogy is self evident. But let’s turn to Trump.

    Lies, in the hands of the powerful are formidable weapons because power makes it harder for folks to call you a liar. Hillary “misspoke” throughout the campaign. NO, she lied. But calling a powerful person a liar is hard. Just look at the notoriety some media (I think the NYT among others) are getting for calling Trump a liar?

    Trumps lies (or delusions) so far are benign. Crowd size and 3 to 5 million illegals voting for Hillary. What happens when the lies become more sinister?

    Today’s refugee ban fiasco playing out at airports all over the world is based on a lie. Not a SINGLE assailant over the past 8 years in America was a refugee.

    The question that remains is will folks (like BiC) be as vigilant in calling out Trump as they were calling out Obama?

  270. We said as much for years …

    Huck, the “now it’s our turn to be assholes” argument is going to wear thin very quickly. Do you want to be right about a now-gone President or do you want to make sure our country doesn’t flush itself down the toilet?

  271. Trump has asked the Joint Chiefs to provide within 30 days a plan to “eradicate ISIL”.

    It will be fascinating to see, within 30 days, how we will eradicate an idea. 😐

  272. “We said as much for years” and “now it’s our turn to be assholes” are 2 different things. As to your question I assume you posed it before reading on.

    “It will be fascinating to see, within 30 days, how we will eradicate an idea.”

    Again, 2 different things. ISIL is based on an idea, which Trump has also sworn to eradicate, but the group, itself, is just that–a group.

    You want to laugh at the “we will eradicate radical Islam”, I’m right there with you. But destroying ISIL is something that can be done.

  273. Am I mistaken that’s what he’s done with the ObamaCare mandate?

    I wondered that too, but to be honest, I’ve been so busy this week that I didn’t get to follow up on the 30 seconds I heard about it this week.

    Of course, given the way that Obama himself unilaterally rewrote the law on multiple occasions and how the court participated in the sham of “It’s a tax; no it isn’t”, and legislative branch couldn’t be bothered to offer up more than some weak objections, I kind of just shrug my shoulders. Given the scant details I’ve heard about some of the proposed “replacement” plans this week, I find my worst fears are probably correct. The plan is going to be to keep this onerous wealth redistribution scheme, but change the label on the shit sandwich. It is none of the Federal Government’s business, but that isn’t going to stop them.

  274. BiC Watergate wasn’t a nothingburger and by your own documentation Agnew was a bum. Your “but they did it too” doesn’t hold up in court as you know much better than I do.

    From a purely technical standpoint, I agree.

    That said, the Demcong Party makes him look like an amateur.

    Al Gore making fund raising calls from inside the White House. Kathy “I never met a baby I didn’t want to kill for a buck” Sebelius making shakedown calls to companies she was regulating, America’s Ex-Wife and her private unsecured server, as well as using state department employees to help funnel money to her “Foundation”, as well as a more general pay-to-pay scam involving that same “Foundation”, as well as numerous visits to the White House by the IRS Commissioner at the same time his agency was illegally targeting organizations opposed to him that was all purely coincidental and committed by a few “rogue” lower level employees.

  275. destroying ISIL is something that can be done.

    Exactly. We made them. We can cut off their public media campaign and funding. We did give them their weapons and their training and gave them the household name they have today.

    Then who will we fight? The Russians or the Chinese?

    We got to keep up that war profit budget. 😈

  276. I heard the EO was to stop the IRS from collecting $ pursuant to the individual mandate so as to avoid having to give that money back.

  277. There is zero doubt the media is chasing stupid headlines and then suggesting that Trump is persisting in stupidity. THEY are extending the number of news cycles occupied by crowd size, not Trump.

    Because he challenges their integrity and accuracy by countering the broadcasting of their wishcasting. If they let it go unrebutted, it hurts their credibility among the people who haven’t yet figured out that they don’t have any.

    I’m beginning to doubt the intellectual rigor of our media. They pursue the Entertainment Tonight headlines instead of the tough policy matters.

    They will only report the talking points their Demcong masters give them. And a real discussion on policy requires persuasion. The Dems aren’t capable of having such a conversation, let alone actual persuading people. That’s why nearly every “great gain” they’ve made in the last 30 or so years has come through the Courts acting extrajudicially, rather than through the legislative branch.

    The media is playing their role in our demise.

    All by design.

  278. The question that remains is will folks (like BiC) be as vigilant in calling out Trump as they were calling out Obama?

    When it is brought to my attention that he is actually violating the separation of powers, I will be happy to speak up. As I’ve said before, I’m not invested in the guy. He wasn’t my choice, but I have been amused to no end at how he’s completely turned the Demcong and Media (BIRM) Playbook on its side, and they show their impotency by continuing to do the same thing while expecting a different result.

  279. We said as much for years …

    Huck, the “now it’s our turn to be assholes” argument is going to wear thin very quickly. Do you want to be right about a now-gone President or do you want to make sure our country doesn’t flush itself down the toilet?

    Actually, the comment is illustrative not so much for a tit-for-tat, but the distinction between the two circumstances and the reaction to them.

    The tantrum that some in this country, including those in Congress, have been having since November has been a stark contrast. The Tea Party didn’t demonstrate and break shit at Lord Zero’s inaugurations. The Pro-Lifers didn’t lecture us about their dignity in the worst and most vulgar manner possible. The media didn’t scrutinize Obama’s every word to anything approaching the same degree (Special Olympics bowling and “waterhead” anyone?), and the fundamental change that has been promised this time is a shrinking of government….a withdrawal from the things it shouldn’t be involved in, and the actual engagement in the things it is supposed to be doing, and the Left is collectively acting as if such a thing is Hell on Earth…and I suppose if personal responsibility and limited government were anathema, rather than a great idea to me (and the people who actually founded this country), then I imagine I might feel the same.

  280. I heard the EO was to stop the IRS from collecting $ pursuant to the individual mandate so as to avoid having to give that money back.

    I heard the same thing. The EO gives wider discretion over enforcement of the penalty.

  281. Rutherford your reasoning is flawed to say the least. I also put it to you that your understanding of the term “bully” seems to be singularly tied to leftist emotional nonsense.
    If telling a lie is how one is a bully then schools all across the nation have wasted a lot of money on anti-bullying schemes.
    If misrepresentations and hyperbole are to be deemed lies ALL politicians are screwed.
    But since you then move away from any common sense appreciation of the term and go to the immigration point:
    You make a correct statement about who the folks that have committed terror acts on US soil and where they are from you fail to account for where some of their influences may have been from.
    Along these lines it is unfortunate that yet another POTUS refuses to see the devils from Riyadh as worthy of scrutiny. The countries on the list however;Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, do represent places that have been implicated in issues in the USA.
    You also seem to buy into an America only position and thus discount in its entirety the lessons being learned in Europe which are definitely tied to folks from at least three of the countries on the list: Iraq, Libya, and Syria. It would be interesting to see the pussy hat wearers go back in time to Cologne’s night of abuse and harassment.
    I think LIE is out of order.
    As for the popular vote you are entitled to your beliefs and boner over Trumps handling of it. I will offer a warning for you though that you’re in for a dramatic surprise and a battle the left will lose which is what the distraction move by Trump is actually about.
    It is undeniable that in cities that are overwhelmingly blue the votes are 100% unreliable. It was seen in LA which helps to cast a light on the CA vote and it was the 800 lb gorilla that jumped out in Detroit during the Michigan recount effort. Cities produce more votes than voters c-o-n-s-i-s-t-a-n-t-l-y. Do they make up millions? I personally doubt it but I also have high confidence that the existing checks,balances and analysis fail to see that which they don’t look for.

  282. a withdrawal from the things it shouldn’t be involved in

    Populism is a grand platform for government involvement on steroids. “Everyone will be covered”, warnings of Fed getting involved in Chicago.

    “America first” with less gov intervention? I kinda doubt it.

  283. Folks in the air when Trump signs his order don’t get grandfathered. Fucking unbelievable.

    The one dude released from JFK was fucking loyal to our country before he ever got here. The remaining 11 are still waiting for a waiver.

    I hear that green card holders who made the mistake of leaving are gonna have trouble getting back in.

    Worst rollout of a policy since the Obamacare web site.

  284. “But don’t you agree that so long as the idea lives, we’re playing whack-a-mole?”

    You misrepresented what the man said and then claimed it impossible. Own your straw man and move on.

  285. “The one dude released from JFK was fucking loyal to our country before he ever got here.”

    Was he denied entry? Oh wait…you already said he was “released”.

    What exactly is the problem and what exactly did you think “extreme vetting before entry” meant?

    This, sir, is a nothingburger.

  286. Rutherford, there’s a long and well-established link between terrorists and identity theft and a search of such will produce many more links than can be listed here.

    The man says people coming from particular places are going to be thoroughly checked out and that’s what he meant. This guy was thoroughly checked out, and then, as you pointed out, was released.

  287. What exactly is the problem and what exactly did you think “extreme vetting before entry” meant?

    So you’re buying the narrative that we are not adequately vetting refugees?

    I’m hearing all 12 originally detained at JFK WERE ALREADY VETTED – a years long process.

  288. It is a super sized nothing burger.
    Australia ran a concentration camp on an island for “refugees” it didn’t want touching the home soil.
    Italy still runs one.
    France operating the “jungle” in Calais and decades of ghettoization of its muslim population has a lot of nerve calling out Trumps vetting.
    Fucking Merkel,,,,don’t get me started.
    Iran looking to implement reciprocity. Might be a good thing given their history of allowing people into Iran only to toss them in jail.
    KLM the official Dutch airline… The Netherlands have been harsh on keeping the “migrants” out and when they are in they stress the temporary nature. they also are close to electing someone that makes Trump look like Mary Fucking Poppins.
    Also:
    Am I the only person who highly doubts any of the IT geeks from Google are actually from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. I’m thinking China,South Korea and India but Silicone Valley can say and do whatever it fucking wants.

    Nowhere near the worse policy roll out. Fact of the matter is the scenarios that have played could’ve happened and probably have countless unreported times since 2001. Including Ebola,Avian Flu etc.
    The Left is out of game and everyone knows it.

  289. This guy was thoroughly checked out, and then, as you pointed out, was released.

    The guy was “checked out” before he ever got on the plane to come here.

    There was NO excuse for already approved refugees to be detained at the airport. None.

  290. Alfie come on.

    As long as we’re better than the worst, we’re golden?

    “American exceptionalism” suggests we always pursue the highest standards of human decency.

    So much for the goddam shining city on a hill.

  291. By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.

    Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.

    In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.

    Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.

    Sec. 3. Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall immediately conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.

    (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall submit to the President a report on the results of the review described in subsection (a) of this section, including the Secretary of Homeland Security’s determination of the information needed for adjudications and a list of countries that do not provide adequate information, within 30 days of the date of this order. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide a copy of the report to the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence.

    (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).

    (d) Immediately upon receipt of the report described in subsection (b) of this section regarding the information needed for adjudications, the Secretary of State shall request all foreign governments that do not supply such information to start providing such information regarding their nationals within 60 days of notification.

    (e) After the 60-day period described in subsection (d) of this section expires, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the President a list of countries recommended for inclusion on a Presidential proclamation that would prohibit the entry of foreign nationals (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas) from countries that do not provide the information requested pursuant to subsection (d) of this section until compliance occurs.

    (f) At any point after submitting the list described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Homeland Security may submit to the President the names of any additional countries recommended for similar treatment.

    (g) Notwithstanding a suspension pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or pursuant to a Presidential proclamation described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.

    (h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this orderwithin 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 daysof the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.

    Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include the development of a uniform screening standard and procedure, such as in-person interviews; a database of identity documents proffered by applicants to ensure that duplicate documents are not used by multiple applicants; amended application forms that include questions aimed at identifying fraudulent answers and malicious intent; a mechanism to ensure that the applicant is who the applicant claims to be; a process to evaluate the applicant’s likelihood of becoming a positively contributing member of society and the applicant’s ability to make contributions to the national interest; and a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States.

    (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of this directive within 60 days of the date of this order, a second report within 100 days of the date of this order, and a third report within 200 days of the date of this order.

    Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017. (a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. During the 120-day period, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Homeland Security and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall review the USRAP application and adjudication process to determine what additional procedures should be taken to ensure that those approved for refugee admission do not pose a threat to the security and welfare of the United States, and shall implement such additional procedures. Refugee applicants who are already in the USRAP process may be admitted upon the initiation and completion of these revised procedures. Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.

    (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.

    (c) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.

    (d) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of more than 50,000 refugees in fiscal year 2017 would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I determine that additional admissions would be in the national interest.

    (e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest — including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship — and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.

    (f) The Secretary of State shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of the directive in subsection (b) of this section regarding prioritization of claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution within 100 days of the date of this order and shall submit a second report within 200 days of the date of this order.

    (g) It is the policy of the executive branch that, to the extent permitted by law and as practicable, State and local jurisdictions be granted a role in the process of determining the placement or settlement in their jurisdictions of aliens eligible to be admitted to the United States as refugees. To that end, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall examine existing law to determine the extent to which, consistent with applicable law, State and local jurisdictions may have greater involvement in the process of determining the placement or resettlement of refugees in their jurisdictions, and shall devise a proposal to lawfully promote such involvement.

    Sec. 6. Rescission of Exercise of Authority Relating to the Terrorism Grounds of Inadmissibility. The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall, in consultation with the Attorney General, consider rescinding the exercises of authority in section 212 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182, relating to the terrorism grounds of inadmissibility, as well as any related implementing memoranda.

    Sec. 7. Expedited Completion of the Biometric Entry-Exit Tracking System. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall expedite the completion and implementation of a biometric entry-exit tracking system for all travelers to the United States, as recommended by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.

    (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the President periodic reports on the progress of the directive contained in subsection (a) of this section. The initial report shall be submitted within 100 days of the date of this order, a second report shall be submitted within 200 days of the date of this order, and a third report shall be submitted within 365 days of the date of this order. Further, the Secretary shall submit a report every 180 days thereafter until the system is fully deployed and operational.

    Sec. 8. Visa Interview Security. (a) The Secretary of State shall immediately suspend the Visa Interview Waiver Program and ensure compliance with section 222 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1222, which requires that all individuals seeking a nonimmigrant visa undergo an in-person interview, subject to specific statutory exceptions.

    (b) To the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary of State shall immediately expand the Consular Fellows Program, including by substantially increasing the number of Fellows, lengthening or making permanent the period of service, and making language training at the Foreign Service Institute available to Fellows for assignment to posts outside of their area of core linguistic ability, to ensure that non-immigrant visa-interview wait times are not unduly affected.

    Sec. 9. Visa Validity Reciprocity. The Secretary of State shall review all nonimmigrant visa reciprocity agreements to ensure that they are, with respect to each visa classification, truly reciprocal insofar as practicable with respect to validity period and fees, as required by sections 221(c) and 281 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1201(c) and 1351, and other treatment. If a country does not treat United States nationals seeking nonimmigrant visas in a reciprocal manner, the Secretary of State shall adjust the visa validity period, fee schedule, or other treatment to match the treatment of United States nationals by the foreign country, to the extent practicable.

    Sec. 10. Transparency and Data Collection. (a) To be more transparent with the American people, and to more effectively implement policies and practices that serve the national interest, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Attorney General, shall, consistent with applicable law and national security, collect and make publicly available within 180 days, and every 180 days thereafter:

    (i) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been charged with terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; convicted of terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; or removed from the United States based on terrorism-related activity, affiliation, or material support to a terrorism-related organization, or any other national security reasons since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later;

    (ii) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been radicalized after entry into the United States and engaged in terrorism-related acts, or who have provided material support to terrorism-related organizations in countries that pose a threat to the United States, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and

    (iii) information regarding the number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women, including honor killings, in the United States by foreign nationals, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and

    (iv) any other information relevant to public safety and security as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General, including information on the immigration status of foreign nationals charged with major offenses.

    (b) The Secretary of State shall, within one year of the date of this order, provide a report on the estimated long-term costs of the USRAP at the Federal, State, and local levels.

    Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

    (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

    (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

    (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

  292. No Rutherford but I will not tolerate being lectured to by my inferiors.
    Above is the text of the EO. Boo fucking hoo someone had to tolerate 14 hours of government hospitality waiting for the appropriate waiver to pop. This fact vs fiction and I’m dropping the mic.

  293. And on further thought fuck you on your better than the worse comment. If I have to otherwise tolerate shit like Australia is right on gun control,France is right on …whatever the fuck you think they’re right on and the Dutch are so progressive blah blah blah…. Fuck that!
    Did you even read the comparative nations? I’m not talking fucking The Gambia or Venezuela here… You’re infuriating

  294. Speaking of wearing thin, R, I noticed it took you about one week to revert back to Rachel Maddow mode.

    Guess you’re not handling this rejection of your messiah as well as we had all hoped. 🙂

    You goober. {snicker} You’re feckless Leftist to the bone, Hillary Clinton be damned.

  295. Are these media lies?

    1) Refugees are already vetted exhaustively.
    2) The vetting process takes not days, not months, but often years.
    3) The current vetting process involves several national security groups.

    So now I ask WTF is “extreme vetting” and how does it differ from the current process?

    I also ask is there a difference between refugees and immigrants? I damn well think there is.

    I further ask do we already do a much better job of vetting than Germany? I bet fuck yeah we do.

    The Trump admin released this shit sandwich without thinking through how they were going to implement it. It’s being reported the details are being made up as they go along.

    I know you all hate the stinkbeards but a human-fucking-being shouldn’t be detained like a goddam criminal when they HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED TO ENTER THE UNITED STATES!!!

    What the fuck is wrong with you people?

    P.S. Alfie I hope the mic didn’t hurt your toe too badly when you dropped it.

  296. A few months ago, a young Omaha area woman graduated from college with an A average.

    An illegal with a record was deported and returned several times. He and some friends were drag racing while he was drunk. His car hit and killed the woman. His brother likely also an illegal made bail and the man dissapeared.

    The liberals didn’t care about her and others like her then. Why should I care about this issue now?

  297. “14 hours of government hospitality waiting for the appropriate waiver to pop”

    Hey Alfie…I’m guessing you’ve done some “hurry up and wait” before. James has too, me thinks.

    Oh…the horror…..

  298. “American exceptionalism” suggests we always pursue the highest standards of human decency.

    So much for the goddam shining city on a hill.

    We need a fainting couch in here, STAT!

    Seriously, though, R. If you haven’t ever bothered, you really should read up on the history of immigration in this country. You see, a long time ago, before we had the Mostest Historic and Unprecedented Presidunt EVAR!, we used to apply all sorts of conditions onto immigration to this country. If you had a certain disease, you would be turned away. If you didn’t have someone willing to sponsor you so you wouldn’t go on the dole, you were turned away. If you got in, but clearly subscribed to ideas and beliefs that would conflict with peace and good order, you would be expelled, and if you got in, and became a criminal, you would also be expelled.

    And the best part of this? It isn’t contrary to that “city on a hill”, because the government OWES that to its citizens…to enforce the law, to keep the peace, and not to set those with diseases that have either been eradicated or brought under control loose among us.

    But that would interfere with the Left, and its agenda of votes at any cost.

  299. 1) Refugees are already vetted exhaustively.

    How the fucking fuck do you vet someone from Sryia, where for all intents and purposes, there isn’t really a country any more?

    How do you vet someone from Iran? Are we just supposed to take the Iranian’s word for it that someone is cool?

    And it isn’t like we can send our own guys into these places to research them ourselves…

    Are you really that clueless?

    And when they are males of fighting age, they aren’t “refugees”. Are you really that clueless?

  300. I don’t like what I am catching about Trump’s selectivity in that he isn’t putting countries he does business with in his net.

    I do like that a federal judge has put the brakes on. Not because I’m opposed to what he did, but because it’s a nice reminder to people that the system is designed to even survive Trump.

  301. “I don’t like what I am catching about Trump’s selectivity in that he isn’t putting countries he does business with in his net.”

    Ugh, not feeling well last couple days. I meant to include a question as to the validity of that. I haven’t been able to muster the energy to read up on it.

  302. Yes, I have done some “hurry up and wait” as you have. One of the most fun times was when we were detained on an Italian air base where we landed by mistake. They almost shot us down. The big question on our minds was ” were we going to an Italian or American jail” since were creating an international incident they said. I don’t think any of the innocents face prison.

    Those poor dears can cool their heals until a judge sorts it out.

  303. you really should read up on the history of immigration in this country.

    No I should read up on how that history has changed. I imagine much of what you cite (disease screening for example) still goes on.

    Muffy already posted an article on a temporary freeze on Iraqi immigration by Obama. So obviously we haven’t gotten that lax in the first place. Methinks Trump’s EO is a solution in search of a problem.

    And even if the EO is genius policy, the implementation was sloppy. My main assertion which everyone here would like to sidestep is that you GRANDFATHER folks who are literally IN THE AIR when the EO was signed.

  304. And when they are males of fighting age, they aren’t “refugees”. Are you really that clueless?

    There are males of fighting age on this very blog who would wet their fucking pants if faced with Assad’s horrors. So yeah, those folks fall in the category of refugee. Show me where it says refugees are limited to women and children.

  305. Just curious BiC, where did I say the EO was illegal? Slavery was once legal. Anti-miscegenation laws were once legal. The law does not dictate morality. Morality should dictate the law.

  306. I will give the author (Jacobson?) of BiC’s first link credit for covering all the bases. But he doesn’t answer Huck’s question. In fact his logic is backwards.

    The problem, of course, is that Trump worked off of the Obama administration’s list of particularly risky countries for visa entry. To lay the blame on Trump’s business interests is a lie, or as Frantzman puts it, fake news:

    Most disingenuous, truly bordering on fake news, are the reports that claimed the seven countries were connected to Trump business interests, as if Obama’s DHS picked them because of Trump?

    No the problem is that the seven countries are NOT connected to Trump biz interests and given the full discretion to expand beyond Obama’s seven to include most obviously Saudi Arabia, Trump chose not to.

    Now I’m not saying Trump’s biz interests are influencing his policy but I fully understand why others might wonder about it.

  307. I agree with Rutherford that implementation was sloppy. Lawyers and judges will clarify it, and the order will give Sunday talk shows more to discuss.

    Trump is keeping another promise, and we need to better regulate traffic in and out of our country.

  308. Now I’m not saying Trump’s biz interests are influencing his policy but I fully understand why others might wonder about it.
    You’re lying again! That was exactly your point!

    I think the biz interest angle is folly and the EO states it can add/remove listed countries. That said the USA is unfortunately NOT ready to deal with the realities of two Middle East nations,Saudi Arabia and Iran so I don’t think we’ll see the Kingdom added.
    That said if I were to bet on countries that are acting in their own interests and are supportive of American concerns I’d say Egypt,UAE and Saudi Arabia top the list in the region and would add Jordan which serves as a refugee screening location and is also not on the list. I would also say that this order could very well mesh into overall policy and diplomacy plays immediately down the road.
    Turkey for example is on the list and deservedly so. The Ankara response is idiotic given the fact they allowed and encouraged jihadists and supplies to pour into Syria. It is further disgraceful that when Erdogan finally got the balls to do the right thing he didn’t instead attacking and making demands on the Peshmerga,the real heroes, to move and surrender gains they made. Still Turkey will need to be afforded a space at the table in future endeavors against ISIL. Along those lines I could see…”ou Want money,want off the list? Incrilik,Christians, & increased vetting cooperation with US DHS then,NOW”

  309. I obviously hope all the temporary rulings go down in flames next week as the Feds smooth out procedures. The ACLU is out of their mind and the continued deepening divisions in this country along Red/Blue may find ole Alfie filing federal charges against his state.
    Now there is some humor meant there but seriously if states want to use tax dollars to actively defy the US Constitution it is only a matter of time before a right of center entity sues using the very same bastardization of the 14th the left has for decades.
    I look forward to the revolution and on that I’m serious.

  310. http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/19/kentucky-refugee-case-highlights-worries-over-syrians-in-us
    The above is about how two Iraqi refugees plotted to arm jihadists and kill Americans. It was their case that caused Obama to ban Iraqi refugees for six months. A ban which unfortunately cost the life of an interpreter who had helped US armed forces.
    I honestly had forgotten this story but found it as I started digging so as to frustrate liars,leftists and assorted other America haters.
    I don’t remember me being against Obama on this.

  311. I don’t really remember Obama’s policy either, but he probably did the right thing.

    Some customs agents are ignoring the court order. How is that different from sanctuary cities ignoring our laws?

  312. Anothee example of liars and celebrity yapping.
    UK Gold Medal Olympian Mo Farah is all pissy about Teumps EO. He was born in Somalia but is a UK citizen which is logical since he’s a UK Olympian. He is of course a resident of…..Oregon USA and has been for 6 years. He has previously commented on how he gets extra screening by Immigration and wven concedes its due to his name being Mohammed and heavy travel history to Somalia and Ethiopia. But NOW he wants to make a big deal out of a pile of speculative unsupported bullshit.
    Not having it.

  313. The court orders only cover deportation and preventing boarding. Detention is still allowed and will be a hardship folks will endure until the leviathan opens fir business Monday.

  314. Just saw where the Economist has placed the USA in the “flawed democracy ” category.
    They prove themselves to be that which their ardent critics declare them to be. Sad.

  315. You’re lying again! That was exactly your point!

    No I provided a skimpy article supporting what Huck was hearing and then took issue with Mr. Jacobson’s article which I didn’t think adequately refuted the accusation.

    My own opinion is that until it can be conclusively proven that Trump is involved in quid pro quo with countries he does biz with, he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

    His entanglements are so complex that all of his FP looks suspicious. That’s why only well documented accusations should get any traction. I personally don’t think the 7 nation ban meets that standard.

  316. There are males of fighting age on this very blog who would wet their fucking pants if faced with Assad’s horrors. So yeah, those folks fall in the category of refugee. Show me where it says refugees are limited to women and children.

    Rutherford,
    I have zero doubt that if any of the males of fighting age on this blog were faced with an Assad-type HERE IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, we would not hesitate to fight such a monster…even YOU.

    The last thing I would do is leave, and go to a country with a completely different culture and philosophy and refuse to assimilate. I would want to get my wife and our boys out of harm’s way, if possible, but I would want that separation to last only as long as it took to escort that monster to Hell.

  317. At least Huck and I agree on one thing. The court action today reminds us we still live in America with a check on the presidency.

    It only works as long as someone is willing to make the challenge. Courts cannot act sua sponte, nor should they.

    One of my biggest complaints about the GOP under Obama is that they didn’t do nearly enough to fight executive overreach and usurpation.

  318. The law does not dictate morality. Morality should dictate the law.

    The Left is not really capable of having this discussion with people, as its three main tenets for changes to law are the Amassing of Power, Convenience, and Self-Gratification, all of which are a fine foundation for emotional arguments, but weak on understanding the underlying philosophy of the law, and making cogent and rational arguments for the changes they seek. This is why the Left must rely either on changes to the law through a judicial system, acting extra-judicially, or by brute force, because persuasion is simply beyond their interest or abilities.

  319. Some customs agents are ignoring the court order. How is that different from sanctuary cities ignoring our laws?

    It might be problematic, but the argument I would make in their defense is that they are enforcing the law as opposed to defying it.

    The nasty little reality about court orders that has only occasionally bubbled to the surface was best stated by Andy Jackson, who said in response to a court holding contrary to one of his policies “They’ve made their decision, now let them enforce it.”

    It’s something being played out here in my own state with the McCleary decision, pursuant to which our state Supreme Court has been “fining” our legislature daily for “not conforming” with the Court’s decision on school funding. It’s actually an overreach by the court, which is posturing, but not pushing too far, as the Legislature controls both the court’s budget, and its jurisdiction.

  320. The last thing I would do is leave, and go to a country with a completely different culture and philosophy and refuse to assimilate.

    I disagree except on the final clause. I would not refuse to assimilate in my new country but I would high-tail my family out of that hell hole (the old country) as fast as I could.

  321. 1) Amassing of Power
    Laws are created by humans. There is always a risk that the rule maker will try to consolidate power. That’s not a liberal thing. It’s a human thing.

    2) Convenience
    I’m not sure where you’re going with that.

    3) Self-Gratification
    I THINK we actually agree on this. A large chunk of liberal psychology is patting oneself on the back for taking “higher ground”. I’m fascinated lately that something I always attributed to conservatives (holier than thou) is found in liberal circles just as much, if not more.

  322. Thanks for your comments, BIC.

    Twitchy says Obama banned travel from Iraq in 2011, but there was little fuss. A reporter defended his peers by writing the administration had made the order quietly and the press didn’t learn about it until two years later. It is yet another reason why I don’t trust the news readers.

    Assimilation in your new country would be by degree, Rutherford. Migrating people retain parts of the old culture, even if it is only expressed by drinking habits or family recipes .

  323. James of course. A tiger may live among lions but he won’t change his stripes.

    I’m responding to what I think BiC is referring to as the total refusal of some refugees to adopt ANY aspect of their new home. Ghettos encourage this.

  324. “One of my biggest complaints about the GOP under Obama is that they didn’t do nearly enough to fight executive overreach and usurpation.”

    Yes

    On a related note, something I was tossing around today and don’t know the answer to…

    Did Barack Obama ever file suit against the GOP for not bringing his SCOTUS nominee up for debate? I don’t recall him doing so. Which tells me even his lawyers didn’t think he had standing to do so.

    Am I remembering correctly? And if so, am I interpreting that memory correctly? I ask because it’s about to be a big deal.

  325. Huck, a quick Google search reveals partisans publicly urged Obama to sue. I can find no evidence that he did.

    There are several Dems saying they will oppose any Trump nominee as a tit for tat. We could have an eight person bench for some time to come.

  326. No Alfie. These demonstrations are a clear contrast from the silly vagina march of last weekend.

    These demonstrations are focused and very clear in their intent. You may disagree with “the cause” but these demonstrations are not pathetic.

  327. They are not organic or fruitful ergo they’re pathetic. Also makes you wonder about airport security. Anyway DHS is ignoring judges order. This is a good day for America.

  328. More fucking EOs today.

    If they are EOs addressing prior EOs that is one thing, but this shit is quickly getting ridiculous.

  329. You may disagree with “the cause” but these demonstrations are not pathetic.

    I’m watching the ABC Nightly News, and I couldn’t help but notice a large number of these demonstrations have pink pussy hats on.

    I would be a little hesitant to lend a great deal of credence to these many Soros demonstrators.

  330. “Anyway DHS is ignoring judges order. This is a good day for America.”

    I disagree with this being good, as well as the Jacksonian ideal expressed above. Just as I disagree with Executive agencies acting contrary to what the Executive has instructed them to do.

    Both of these things are contrary to the system design. This shit can’t work properly if people don’t follow the rules and allow it to.

  331. I agree about ghetos, Rutherford. The population of some parts of the US has
    so many Hispanics concentrated in local areas that the culture is changing to the point the population becomes almost indistinguishable from the old country.

    A hundred years ago, Germans and Scandinavians were on that track.

    We need immigrants but we must control their numbers so new tigers can adjust to living with lions.

  332. a large number of these demonstrations have pink pussy hats on.

    If that is true, it is a MAJOR miscalculation on the part of the protesters. The protest is worthless if they cannot be taken seriously.

  333. Poolman I know that was meant to be provocative but what sense was behind that comment?

    Rutherford, everything I say here is perceived as provocative by some. The ‘sense behind that comment’ is found in the link which is a Charlie Rose interview from 2006. This man is no monster by any real account and the people that repeat those media lies are a big part of the problem. They share the collective accountability for the destruction and the deaths of thousands of Syrians.

    I have come to realize modern Americans are probably the most ill-informed and unenlightened peoples to occupy this plane of existence in a very long time. They think they are the most informed and most enlightened. Reality will be a shocker, even if they don’t experience it until their heart quits pumping… We fight all the wrong battles for the wrong reasons. I used to think Team America was satire.

  334. Poolman, my apologies. I was viewing your comment with an app that didn’t reveal the hyperlink.

    DAMN the WordPress iPhone app leaves much to be desired!! 😡😡

  335. Martin Luther King said it was all right to break rules for a cause as long as one accepted the punishment. That is fine to a point. We aren’t there yet.

    Discipline and civility are fragile. Watching them unravel is something I never want to see again.

  336. “The population of some parts of the US has so many Hispanics concentrated in local areas that the culture is changing to the point the population becomes almost indistinguishable from the old country.”

    You mean like Chinatowns? Because those are nothing new. Immigrant populations have always huddled and formed communities that mirrored their cultures.

    “It should be noted Assad speaks fluent English while none of the ignorant fucks we elect can speak anything but English.”

    George W. Bush was quite fluent in Spanish.

  337. “Sorry gang, until Ace of Spades realizes it’s 2017 and offers a mobile ready blog, he gets no more than a B+ from me.”

    “Poolman, my apologies. I was viewing your comment with an app that didn’t reveal the hyperlink. DAMN the WordPress iPhone app leaves much to be desired!!”

  338. I propose a 90 day ban on “that’s not who we are” and “that’s not who I am” while we come with a better plan to defend against empty slogans.

  339. “It should be noted Assad speaks fluent English while none of the ignorant fucks we elect can speak anything but English.”

    That’s not true.

  340. Don’t get me wrong. I’m mighty impressed with Assad’s bilingualism. It’s always nice to know he understood what Obama meant by “red line” before launching his chemical attacks.

  341. That’s not true.

    Gotta do better than that, chief.

    Trump: English
    Obama: English
    Bush 43: a sad-ass smattering of Spanish – hardly fluent
    Clinton: English
    Bush 41: English
    Reagan: English
    Carter: English
    Ford: English

    How far back do you want me to go?

  342. Sorry gang, until Ace of Spades realizes it’s 2017 and offers a mobile ready blog, he gets no more than a B+ from me.”
    “Poolman, my apologies. I was viewing your comment with an app that didn’t reveal the hyperlink. DAMN the WordPress iPhone app leaves much to be desired!!

    If that was meant as criticism, you just compared apples to oranges. I won’t even elaborate until I know what you think you were demonstrating.

  343. It’s always nice to know he understood what Obama meant by “red line” before launching his chemical attacks.

    “The great investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, in two previous articles in the London Review of Books («Whose Sarin?» and «The Red Line and the Rat Line») has reported that the Obama Administration falsely blamed the government of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad for the sarin gas attack that Obama was trying to use as an excuse to invade Syria; and Hersh pointed to a report from British intelligence saying that the sarin that was used didn’t come from Assad’s stockpiles. Hersh also said that a secret agreement in 2012 was reached between the Obama Administration and the leaders of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to set up a sarin gas attack and blame it on Assad so that the US could invade and overthrow Assad.”

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-approved-sending-libya-sarin-syrian-rebels.html

  344. It should be noted had Jeb won, then we would have had a potus fluent in Spanish. Fluency, by the way, includes proper pronunciation.

    I had a friend from Mississippi, who I went to a Mexican restaurant with once and he ordered a “kwessadilla”. That’s the kind of Spanish Bush 43 spoke.

  345. You didn’t say president. As you know, bilingual members of congress, and may at local levels, are hardly a rarity. But if you think it’s an important consideration, why inf fcuking hell would you use Assad as your example? Jesus dude.

  346. Again, don’t get me wrong, anyone that doesn’t speak two languages fluently is an ignorant fuck.

    Shit, Obama’s “corpse men” and the whole lot that sa “axe” instead of “ask” barely demonstrate literacy.

  347. Tigre the fact I was talking about presidents was pretty damn implicit. Nice dodge.

    I cited Assad because Poolman’s video featured Assad. What are you smoking tonight?

  348. anyone that doesn’t speak two languages fluently is an ignorant fuck.

    Never said “anyone”. When leaders of other countries speak English (and Assad ain’t the only one) it would be nice for our president to speak something other than English.

    Did Tigre party a bit too hearty this weekend?

  349. Methinks Donald is getting tugged in two directions vis-a-vis Israel. On the Bibi pole smoker side are Jared Kuschner and David Friedman. On the other side is Steve Bannon. My bet is Bannon influenced the Holocaust Remembrance Day statement.

  350. “Tigre the fact I was talking about presidents was pretty damn implicit. Nice dodge.”

    Oh yeah. I wanted to dodge that since I own the bilingual debate. 😆

    I guess I dodged Poolman’s video too. I don’t bother with his comments for the most part, and skip any of the stupid videos he posts. Glad you found enlightenment from Poolman again. You have a lot in common. You really do.

  351. I think it would be nice if we had a president that was a kick ass musician, artist and mechanic too. No, not that Hack Clinton sax bullshit either. I mean accomplished. So accomplished there’d be no need to send James Taylor to bring dignity back to the office.

    What else would be a good quality R. We know skin color is the most important. An ignorant fuck brain surgeon made a run at it as well as Rubio and Cruz. Is spanish exoctic enough for you?

  352. “Fluency, by the way, includes proper pronunciation.”

    In that case, we have several elected officials not fluent in English!

  353. Glad you found enlightenment from Poolman again. You have a lot in common. You really do.

    Don’t worry. A good dab of butthurt ointment will be good for what ails you.

  354. Apples and oranges are both fruit, and your own site obviously isn’t that phone friendly.

    Ok, I gave you the rope and sure ’nuff you done hanged yourself.

    I use the app as a shortcut for dealing with comments only. The app has shortcomings. However I could just as easily comment on the blog itself in the Safari browser. In fact, because of the app’s limitations, whenever you post an article I always comment directly on the blog itself for your articles.

    I find the Safari browser renders my blog quite readable. That’s because I use a “responsive” blog theme. The same cannot be said for Ace of Spades.

  355. This isn’t meant to be a chop but was Obama not fluent in the language(s) of the other places he lived as a child?

    Good question. I’m not sure. One of the schools he attended was a private school attended mostly by Americans I believe. I have a college classmate who attended that school with him.

  356. So when it’s your site it’s the app that has limitations that are corrected by using another browser, but when it’s another site then it’s the site that has limitations that aren’t corrected by that secondary browser (but for all you know might be corrected by using a browser you don’t have).

    Got it 🙂

  357. That’s the kind of Spanish Bush 43 spoke.

    Since most Mexicans speak Spanglish, I’ll assure you Bush’s Spanish was a lot more fluent to Mexicans than your Harvard taught Spanish. But then, you probably know that in that Mecca of Spaniards which you reside…

  358. I’m just messing with you, Rutherford. I don’t know jack shit about using phones on the Internet.

    But that’s probably because phones are for children and real men use PCs.

  359. Yes,Huck, I mean like China
    Towns. China New enclaves cover whole sections of states.

    Obama attended school in Indonesia, I believe. He advised students to learn another language and said he wished he had done so.

    Je parle un peu francais. Mon espouse utilises pour enseigner le francias.
    Kust blanc cant dance, lEstonian ayant demenage a pres de Tex parle cinqu langues.

  360. I’ll assure you Bush’s Spanish was a lot more fluent to Mexicans than your Harvard taught Spanish.

    I took a lot of Spanish, including at Harvard and I can’t speak it for shit. But I kid you not, one of the first things I’d do after getting elected potus, would be to hit the Berlitz (showing my age) or whatever the latest greatest language software there is and be able to conduct myself decently in one other language. Based on the current situation, Arabic would be a great choice. Can you imagine the potus speaking to those bastards in their own tongue?

    But ok, I’ll stop being a prick. Bush 43 does speak Spanish MUCH better than I ever did.

    P.S. I swear, I dreamt in Spanish once. It blew me away.

  361. But that’s probably because phones are for children and real men use PCs.

    LOL, your kid is too old but you haven’t lived until you go to a restaurant with a bunch of pre-teens and they all have their cell phones out. My kid talks to her friends on FaceTime. I’m thinking “have you never heard of a fucking telephone?”

  362. James, I was a total idiot and took German freshman year. Despite English being a Germanic language, it didn’t mean it was easy to learn German. Spanish feels like English with an o or an a appended to every English word. 😀

  363. Arabic (and a handful of others) are Level 4 of 4 on the State Department “Language Learning Difficulty” scale, which means approximately 64 weeks of instruction for fluency.

    I got through 1 quarter and when it became a choice between learning Arabic and maintaining my GPA I chose the latter. My school has one of the top Arabic programs in the country and I am often tempted to give it another try now that grades don’t matter.

  364. I was told by a linguist friend of mine that once you get the hang of learning another language it’s even easier to learn others after that. It makes theoretical sense, but I also think some people just take to languages easier than others…and I am not one of those people.

  365. I’ve also heard it said the best time to teach multiple languages is when the student is a child – a young child. In most cases the young brain soaks up language like a sponge.

  366. Ok I checked Wiki and Obama spoke the native language while living in Indonesia. The private school that Obama attended with my college classmate was the Punahou School, a prep school in Hawaii.

  367. Between HP and Microsoft, I’m getting the run around. Now they’re trying to make me purchase a copy of Windows 10 (over a $100) because a 4 year old PC I’ve got that I bought a new hard drive after the original failed will not recognize the boot drive using the original Windows Restoration I created 4 years ago.

    And the new Windows 10 HP Pavilion I’m using at this moment is not allowed to be used to restore a mirrored image to a 4 year old HP Touchsmart that I previously used.

    I told Victor from Pakistan or some other 3rd world chithole tonight to tell HP management I’ve purchased my final piece of HP anything. A new PC should come with some form of physical medium, either Thumb drive or CDs to reinstall an operating system. Period.

    I can’t believe consumers allow these idiots to get away with this crap anymore.

  368. I can vouch that rote memorization gets a whole lot more difficult for a person the older they get – and there is a physical reason for that in the hypothalamus. I learned this lesson the hard way from med school gross anatomy. I couldn’t remember chit when it came to things like post circumflex humeral artery.

    In other words, unless you’re immersed, the chances of learning another language most likely get a whole lot harder the longer you wait.

  369. You probably don’t remember Lotta, the young woman from Finland who described differences between Finish and United States schools and graduation ceremonies.

    She can speak five languages, and she learned English by watching American cartoons.

    Finland does have emersion schools. A student who applies and is accepted speaks only the chosen language during the school day.

    Lotta can speak with a Midwestern or a southern accent.

    Many Europeans are multi lingual by necessity, of course.

    Our grand daughter thinks it is funny if we speak French words. She laughs and says “speak French.”

    My wife’s paternal grand mother and her twin sister spoke German when they didn’t want someone to not know what they were saying.

  370. @ Huck 1) you knew this was coming 2) Trumps EO’s that I’ve read all seem very focused on Executive Branch departments with only the ObamaCare one flirting with making a legislative reach equal to Obama. A number of them in fact are explicit about “appropriations” which I read as opening the door for Congress.

  371. One thing on my Wish List is that a group of Congress Critters will get their shit together and reassess and reassert exactly what the USA considers a “refugee” and what we should stand for as a nation regards helping people and nations.
    I personally find the word to be abused beyond belief. I also subscribe to the school that regional and in home country refuge with guaranteed return is the way to go. Historically refugee programs have been epic failures,with UNRWA being a perfect example. The status quo system the US currently subscribes to is essentially a lottery gig with lip service to the failing state. More recently we have failed to appreciate that quantifying the suffering and potential danger folks are facing should be a deciding factor if we’re to retain the current system. What I mean by that is if we truly believe in the word “refugee” a Syrian Christian or Yazidi deserves to be front of the line!
    The system is broken and must be dramatically reformed. Patchwork and PC pussy action is out of order.

  372. Early on, the Bush administration committed a serious error. They fired the Army and other officials. Our soldiers were used to replace them. Allied soldiers had to settle legal and other disputes when they were not prepared.

    I believe Trump’s executive order was as sloppy as the early Iraqi policy. The administration needs to learn from this.

  373. “It should be noted Assad speaks fluent English while none of the ignorant fucks we elect can speak anything but English.” -R

  374. Are Establishment GOP’ers going to threaten the Trump Administration and quite possibly the country?
    Interesting times. Again I say good for this country for we are about to get the enema we both richly deserve and need.

  375. Love Trumps Hate! Rabbit, why is it I don’t see these Leftist punks taking a shot at guys like you? And when the bikers were there, the inauguration went off without a hitch. They never threaten me either.

    I promise the one thing you will never see on video is me running away from these pukes.

  376. Nice sucker punch. You can kill a guy with shit like that.

    Well, with all of the Trump supporters out there beating the shit out of the liberal protesters, they got it coming to them.

  377. Alfie, I find “official language” somewhat juvenile. 99% of the folks who live here speak English. English is de facto the official language. Declaring it so is redundant and kinda smacks of chest beating.

    Do I care if we call English our official language? No. Doesn’t keep me up at night.

  378. Tex, be glad you got four years out of the computer. They’re not even designed to last that long. And this is coming from a guy who refused to give up on his 10 year old Lenovo with Windows XP until it suffered its second fan failure in 3 years. I finally replaced it with a Dell this month. Damn, I miss that Lenovo keyboard. Best keyboard on the market.

  379. There’s more to it than simply declaring it but thanks for playing.
    Good to see a democrat like Kaine can also be a #zionist dickhead.
    I’m enjoying the implosion of the American civc enterprise.

  380. Alfie, isn’t calling Kristol an unamerican Zionist coming real close to Poolman country?

    I need to refresh my definitions but I kinda thought Bibi was a Zionist.

  381. I like Apple as much as the next guy but until they recognize not everyone is a video editor – some of us need to use BUSINESS apps – it ain’t gonna fly as a PC alternative.

  382. Alfie, if all your Zionist comments are triggered by the Holocaust Remembrance Day fiasco, you have Hope Hicks to blame. Instead of saying “wups our bad”, she said they deliberately left Jews out of the statement. As I said earlier, I smell Steve Bannon at the root of this.

  383. !. Holocaust Remembrance Day was not established for remembering only jewish victims.
    2. My charge against Billy K has nothing to do with it. He is a neocon zionist fucktwat who’s been on my shit list for some time now.
    3. Although Netanyahu is no doubt a zionist he is also an Israeli with real history and skin in the game who has the decency as it were to be primarily concerned with the affairs of his country. Little Billy Kristol….not so much.
    4. I’m not tossing the Z word around in context of Z.O.G. and all that stuff so — No I don’t think I’m channeling the guy from AZ
    5. As for Mac not being in the business world you need to really check that to the whole greedy corporate shit bag thing I offered on wifi. Developers actively choose not to comply with overly stringent rules set out by Cupertino and businesses are not going to pay a premium for a better product when they can just go low. This formula is not unlike how we’re pigeon holed on electric vehicles even though we’ve clearly reached peak battery technological levels and how electrics will keep down hydrogen while petrol still tries to squeeze electrics yada yada.

  384. Seriously R corporate America and their allies in government seriously believe we’re too stupid to have a four digit pin to safeguard our chip credit cards…unlike the rest of the chip having planet.

  385. Never said “anyone”. When leaders of other countries speak English (and Assad ain’t the only one) it would be nice for our president to speak something other than English.

    Justin Trudeau speaks French.

    Probably would have been better for him to learn economics, though.

  386. You boys and girls can stick your head in the sand all you like. This ban rollout is a clusterfuck of grand proportions.

    One case: Iraqi denied entry after TWO AND A HALF YEAR vetting process. Motherfucker quit his job, sold his house, delayed his kids college enrollment. Now he’s SCREWED.

    British petition signed by 1.4 million brits to ban Trump from visiting their country. That’s our president they want to ban.

  387. Yup, straight from the Reince Priebus – Kellyanne Conway – Sean Spicer playbook.

    The dude went through 2.5 years of vetting. There is NO excuse for this. NONE.

    If Trump didn’t trust the current vetting system THAT EXISTS, he should have commissioned a study to deal with its shortcomings. Instead he showboats.

    A NC REPUBLICAN congressman is royally pissed that Congress was never consulted. Word is homeland security chief John Kelly didn’t know shit about it until the ink was drying on the EO.

    Alfie you’re one of the saner guys around here. You can’t see this is a mess?

  388. Dont get the drizzles. Nobody died yet. Not likely that anyone will unless some liberal protester goes berserk or some Islamic jihadist fulfills his destiny and kills people.

  389. Alfie you’re one of the saner guys around here.

    By whose standard?

    You can’t see this is a mess?

    By design, Rutherford. A mess by design. Order out of chaos requires chaos, and that is what we are getting. You who are swayed by the media are not nearly flexible enough nor well-rooted to withstand the next few fast and furious years. The globalist/zionist/neocon/oligarch plan has been fast-tracked. The next few months will be telling.

  390. One case: Iraqi denied entry after TWO AND A HALF YEAR vetting process. Motherfucker quit his job, sold his house, delayed his kids college enrollment. Now he’s SCREWED.

    As I said many times before, you’re outrage certainly is selective. I don’t remember you having any concerns over Dear Leader Obama abandoning this doctor to a lifetime of hell hole prison when he assisted us with finding Bin Laden. Dear Leader never did a damn thing to help this hero either. 😉

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/02/doctor-who-helped-cia-track-bin-laden-still-languishes-in-pakist/

  391. Yeah, those Lenovo keyboards are good. This HP thing sucks Donkey Kong. Actually Alfie, I’ve probably had about seven PCs over the years that I bought for myself, and this POS HP Touchsmart was the first one I’ve ever had that failed me – especially when I was forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

    My wife and kids are strictly Apple these days.

    I actually blame MicroSoft as much for problem as I do HP, because my backup and restore procedures never did work properly after that. This crap about not receiving a physical type of media to restore is damn near criminal.

    That’s why I’m going back to the old way of doing things. A mirrored hard drive so I don’t lose a year and a half’s worth of data and am not dependent upon the “cloud.”

  392. Alfie you’re one of the saner guys around here. You can’t see this is a mess?

    In it’s entirety I have to answer NO.
    First and foremost I don’t believe the reporting on who knew what and when to which I must add I don’t care. I say that in context of what exactly an Executive Order is. The President issued an order and the Executive Departments will STFU and carry out the lawful order.
    Second it is evolving and enjoying the clarity that comes with that. It is not failing to meet it’s objectives so in regards to “roll outs” this one isn’t high on the cluster fuck list.
    Third, it has to be stipulated that part of what gives this thing the appearance of a cluster fuck is the actions of our alleged organic and noble protesters. In NYC these folks are motivated primarily by Soros and organizations such as Make the Road.

    Personally I think this matter is encased in a batter of undeniable and honest common sense as well. Trump made it quite clear HE WAS GOING TO DO THIS. Because of that I don’t buy into the uninformed notion or flat footed surprise. As for those arriving I simply do not care that they faced the inconvenience of additional questioning and detention.
    The matter at hand is not original and clearly doesn’t need to be studied any further. The Obama Administration clearly established this and since the Chuckie Brigade et al have impeded Trumps ability to fully establish ownership of the relative agencies those carrying it out are very likely the same folks that did it before. This order is a sure & steady move into an area where fresh data will be forthcoming,I say study that if you really want to study something.
    I simply cannot help you with your emotional angst and utter unseriousness regards this matter. Just over 100 people were detained out of over 300 thousand arrivals! Detained in offices not cells. Subjected to questions not waterboarding.

  393. @ Tex has Microsoft gone through with the whole leasing of software thing over ownership? When I heard they were thinking of doing that I was like WTF?!
    In full disclosure if I didn’t have other Apple products that benefit from relating to each other so seamlessly I’d buy a Dell or something probably.

  394. Rutherford ALWAYS goes the way of the manipulated mob. Kill your TV, dude.

    Man….One day your mob is going to push it too far and this nation will be forced to slaughter all of them and start from scratch.

    The free pass that is given to all your violent brethren scares me not because of the innocents they hurt, they scare me because I know they are essentially fucking with the most armed populace ever to walk earth.

    Your side-ways shooting thugs on the South Side with stolen guns don’t mean shit. Sucker punching hate mongers don’t mean shit.

    Millions of Americans with rifles. Millions. You fucks ever get so brazen they force the hands of this moth balled army and there will be rivers of blood.

  395. Because I’m afraid to put money on the Super Bowl I’m putting bets on Iraq coming off the list within the 90 days secondary to “Great work between our countries. Baghdad and Mattis,Kelly and Tillerson,Great work that established clear guidelines and assurances moving forward. Its going to be great”.

  396. Alfie, you focused on the detention at airports but you didn’t address the dude who went through a 2.5 year vetting process and is now screwed by Trump. If we toss out Tex’s “where were you when …” argument, this guy is in a real sucky position for no good reason.

    If the media is to be believed the current refugee screening process is thorough as hell and none of the attacks we’ve seen in the USA in the past 8 years refute that.

    This brings me to my next comment …

  397. We know they have infiltrated the refugees. We also know scores of refugees aren’t even refugees. We know America voted for this and polls show America supports this.

    Trump wants to pause and examine. Fuck off.

  398. This country is in an existential crisis and I’m not exaggerating. This is why.

    The only communication conduit between the people and the government is a free press. That free press mostly whored itself out to Hillary Clinton for the past 18 months and has lost 90% of its credibility. So we have liars telling us that Trump is a liar.

    A psychiatrist’s worst patient is the paranoid man who truly does have someone out to get him. If the lying left wing media is not lying when they report on Trump – and we ignore their reporting based on track record, we are royally screwed.

    Our citizenry is engaged in constant confirmation bias reporting. Most of you like sites that confirm what you already believe. You come here for brotherhood/sisterhood and the lib blog owner lets you say pretty much whatever you want so you can ignore his posts that don’t confirm your biases.

    When we live in a world with no truth – no facts – we have no basis upon which to make plans for our common preservation. I cannot stress how dangerous this is. And yes, I’m willing to put the blame squarely on the media for having compromised their integrity such that we can’t get the straight story anymore. But this puts us in dire straights. And it might not be so bad if Trump were “normal” but he’s anything but normal. He’s delusional with the ego of a five year old.

    Tigre will lead the charge to mock this but it matters not. We are in a world of trouble.

  399. Who is this guy that is screwed Rutherford. Are you saying there is someone in one of the countries (I assume Iraq) that now can’t get on a plane or something? I mean an actual person and not a hypothetical one.

  400. Rutherford,Your last comment was very interesting.
    I don’t think a lot of positive thoughts about Trump but I also don’t think he’s actually nuts. I don’t know what to tell you about news or truth but I do believe there is no lack of information and reliable resources to access it. The average guy trying to pay his bills and get through life isn’t likely to expend the energy to get that info and centuries of despots have relied upon that fact.
    Presently I think Trump deserves the benefit of the doubt that he is at worse a loose cannon that is still able to aim himself.

  401. We are in a world of trouble.

    Certainly. But it isn’t new. Newly realized maybe. Less concealed maybe. Maybe.

    “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” John 16:33

    Let’s just say evil has come out into the open. There is an inversion of all things sacred.

    This should be a time to use one’s own senses and realize truths for oneself, no matter if they are not in agreement with public or political opinion.

    The earth is flat. The sun and moon circle above it. Joshua chapter 10. Get over it.

  402. Who is this guy that is screwed

    NBC foreign correspondent Richard Engel reported on the guy. He was an Iraqi in the system for 2.5 years. Screened by FBI and other agencies. Submitted to biometric testing (if that’s the right phrase). He sold house and his belongings. He delayed his kids going to college so they could attend one in America. He may have been an interpreter. I don’t remember that detail. Now everything is up in the air.

    The ban should have grandfathered anyone who has already run the gauntlet, which shouldn’t be hard to verify.

    Alfie, as you alluded to earlier, there are many saying Iraq should have been removed from the list altogether based on the close relationship we have with them in fighting terrorism.

  403. Here’s another example of our predicament.

    I’m listening to a podcast panel discussion about how journalists should handle Trump in the era of alternative facts. Ok fine. Valid discussion topic

    EXCEPT

    On the panel is the editor of Huffington F’ing Post. HuffPost should be disqualified from participating on any journalism panel. For the past 18 months they ended EVERY Trump story with a disclaimer declaring as fact that Trump is a racist misogynistic homophobe. That’s damn close to slander and it ended EVERY Trump story they published.

    So how can they be expected to be viewed as a source of truth?

  404. My biggest issue is the country’s hypocrisy. Obama did this EXACT same thing and an interpreter died during the wait and neither Rutherford, nor a NY circuit judge, nor the pussy brigade, or Starbucks said jack shit.

    Now this motherfucker is all about “that’s not who we are as a country”. Fuck him. When he felt the need for it, then it sure as hell was who we were.

    Now, I don’t like how this was done or how it is going. But the hypocrisy pisses me off much more.

  405. Now comes theYates play. Here we go. It’s liberal rebellion and why Sessions appt was delayed. Incredible. It’ll be interesting to see hoe Trump handles it.

    R, I tried to engage your points in this post. And?

  406. “It’s liberal rebellion and why Sessions appt was delayed.”

    And why trump should have waited to do this.

    He should have waited until the proper mechanisms (his people) were in place and talked with them to make sure everyone was clear on what was what (whether he’s required to or not) and then pulled the trigger. And what’s with the Green Card walkback thing?

    This was done stupidly. I hope it’s not a sign of what we can expect from him.

  407. Now comes the Yates play. Here we go. It’s liberal rebellion and why Sessions appt was delayed. Incredible. It’ll be interesting to see hoe Trump handles it.

    Justice is an executive agency, and she is an acting director.

    The correct answer is “She’s fired.”

  408. I hate trivialize the discussion with fiction but in the TV series Designated Survivor a governor defies the President and refuses to recognize his authority. (The president has him arrested.)

    I expect to see Trump’s authority challenged. Yates (who’s been fired) is an example and there will be more.

  409. “And why trump should have waited to do this.”

    Agreed. He needed to get out ahead of this.

    BiC, I don’t think firing Yates is what he should do. It will complete her martyrdom. It all ends with Sessions. Then she can go and do her book, and tours, and speaking engagements and take a gazillion dollar job at giant company. Have you seen what her reasoning is? Pitiful. She thinks her policy preferences control the executive. None of this will bother the dems either. They are going scorched earth. Fuck them all.

  410. I think Trump needs to send a battery of legal scholars and spoke people out and counter the unmitigated b.s. The ignorance on the left is feigned by the power brokers and appalling by the retarded followers.

  411. I’m glad he didn’t wait. Fire the motherfuckers who stand in his way.

    It’s the executive branch. Shit can wanna be judges. Sick of this republic not working right.

  412. “Tigre will lead the charge to mock this but it matters not. We are in a world of trouble.”

    I mock your willingness to be lied to over and over and over and over and over. I can accept the peril of ignoring legacy media and go look for myself when it comes to important shit. This EO is another one. Alfie posted the full text and even that was too difficult for you to read or comment on. You are the last person on earth that should be laying blame on anyone here about being a media rube. This “world of trouble” is of your making.

  413. Then she can go and do her book, and tours, and speaking engagements and take a gazillion dollar job at giant company.

    The first three were going to happen anyway.

    The last? Yeah, I’m not sure a company is going to be thrilled at the idea of hiring an employee who thinks that its ok to defy the Boss.

  414. Apple, Facebook, any other ones that have taken the social justice warrior path would be thrilled to have her. She’s just what they want.

  415. It sure is telling about the dems stranglehold and version of functioning government. Fuck all of them. It’s try truly sick.

  416. I’m a lot more concerned about the agency rebellions than what seems to amount to lack of communication with cabinet. 1 just looks bad, the other IS bad.

    Those are the mofos that need to be fired. Every one of them.

  417. The correct answer is “She’s fired.”

    Get with it. The new phrase is:

    “You’re terminated. Get to da choppa.” At which point the acting AG is whisked away in a helicopter.

  418. Agency rebellions should smashed. Arrest them for treason. Frog March hundreds at a time. Sure….There will be a brain drain. But that’s the cost of the obvious low grade Civil War we are in.

    The republic either works or it doesn’t.

  419. Oh…I knew that piece of shit would be running his mouth. I’m shocked he went 9 days. He’s going to be horrible for this nation until he takes a dirt nap.

  420. I see Obama couldn’t go 2 fucking weeks without running his fucking mouth.
    Classless prick

    I said the same thing to my wife in MUCH nicer language. He forecasted this so don’t be surprised. He said he’d keep his mouth shut unless he saw America’s morals compromised. Guess what?

  421. “You MMA fans are just itching for a fight. I hope the libs are as wimpy as you assume”.

    I’m not talking sports entertainment. And yes…I’m itching for a fight. It’s why I voted Trump. So far I’m thrilled.

  422. If I were Trump, I would ask for a query of federal employees registered with a ‘D’ behind their name and fire them in one swoop, ala Reagan of the air traffic controllers. 😈

  423. “Oh, by the way, wake the fuck up. The republic hasn’t worked in years.”

    When was that? When the legislature was operating specifically as designed?

    Or when you guys got tired of it working as designed and decided to go around it?

  424. “I said the same thing to my wife in MUCH nicer language.”

    Oh man….I went off tonight on an epic rant to my wife. I was stringing together vulgarities with rare artistic form, even for me. Which, I don’t mind saying, I’m pretty damn good at.

    WOOOOOO

  425. Or when you guys got tired of it working as designed and decided to go around it?

    Please don’t pretend we’ve had a properly functioning legislature for the past eight years. Whether it’s the Dems ramming down Obamacare or the constant obstruction in the succeeding 6 years, that ain’t a working republic.

  426. Vanity Fair has a nice piece that looks at all the “unofficial” Administration social media stuff and kinda lays a smackdown on the liberals.

  427. BB King makes singing the blues a pleasure.

    “That ain’t a working republic.” It is a civil war without the fire arms and bombs.

  428. “Who is this guy that is screwed Rutherford. Are you saying there is someone in one of the countries (I assume Iraq) that now can’t get on a plane or something? I mean an actual person and not a hypothetical one.”

    Nobody is screwed, Alfie.

  429. Thom Tillis belongs on the pay-them-no-mind list along with McCain & Graham. What are they going to do – vote with the Democrats?

  430. “BB King makes singing the blues a pleasure.”

    The blues ain’t about making yourself feel better, it’s about making other people feel worse. . . and making a few bucks while you’re at it.