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Fake News, Part 2 – What’s to be Done?

In my previous post I discussed the main stream media’s complicity in the evolution of “fake news”. In this essay I answer what should be done about it. My answer: absolutely nothing. 

I suppose I should rephrase that. What should be done is ensuring that after the 10 to 16 years that the average American attends school, they are able to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. Let me be frank. Anyone who believes the Sandy Hook massacre never happened or that Hillary Clinton ran a child trafficking ring out of the basement of a pizzeria that had no basement, is a friggin idiot. And let’s be clear: that exemplifies fake news. 

Saying Hillary Clinton endangered national security with a rogue email server is NOT fake news. At worst, it’s partisan opinion but it ain’t fake. Saying Debbie Wasserman Schultz was corrupt as hell isn’t fake news. The fact we learned this from hacked email doesn’t make it fake. 

And that brings me back to my original prescription of doing absolutely nothing. Those who monitor what goes on the internet have no obligation to protect idiots from themselves. Any attempt to do so starts us down a very slippery slope from censoring the totally fabricated (pizza-gate) to censoring information that exposes corruption simply because we don’t like the source of said information. 

Facebook is contemplating a plan to run “news” through a fact checker like Politifact. Problem is many so called fact checkers lean liberal. 

So we’re back where we started. Stop worrying about the purveyors of fake news and start worrying about the consumers. If we’ve got a country full of idiots who believe everything their crazy uncle sends them then Vladimir Putin is the least of our problems. 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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402 thoughts on “Fake News, Part 2 – What’s to be Done?

  1. For God’s sake, we’ve got people who believe the Earth is flat and the center of the solar system.

    We’re done…all is lost.

  2. Ha. You’ve made my point.

    Really, the first. There’s no concern about destroying data by Trump (I assure you), yet the inference that there is a concern is being made by the ones that were actually shown to have destroyed data. It’s absurd.

    R, FWIW, I am confident that you will one day see how wrong you were in relying on the false “scientific consensus” bullshit you’ve been fed and bought into. You will never believe it coming from me, but if you were paying attention and could seperate your politics from it, you would see a disturbing trend in the whole area: when the modeling fails, the methodology and (troublingly) the data itself is changed to meet the policy, never the other way around.

  3. Why is the FBI, CIA, and DNI refusing to brief the House Intelligence Committee Chairman on the evidence they have regarding the alleged Russian cyber intrusion?

    WASHINGTON — House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes on Wednesday blasted as “unacceptable” the refusal of the FBI, CIA and National Intelligence directors to brief his panel on the Russian cyber attacks that occurred during the presidential campaign.

    “Nunes had requested that National Intelligence Director James Clapper, with participation from FBI Director James Comey and CIA Director John Brennan, brief committee members in a closed session on Thursday. That briefing has now been cancelled.

    “The California Republican, in a letter sent to Clapper on Monday, said he wanted clarification about why the CIA is now saying that Russian hacks of political campaign committees earlier this year appeared to be aimed at helping President-elect Donald Trump and hurting Democrat Hillary Clinton. Nunes pointed to testimony from Clapper in a public hearing in November that the Intelligence Community lacked the evidence to draw such a conclusion.”

  4. Dang, Rutherford. You’re almost reading reasonable anymore. My hard drive crashed tonight. First time ever. Grrrr

    Headed to Best Buy tomorrow, I guess. 🤔

  5. “Anyone who believes the Sandy Hook massacre never happened…is a friggin idiot.”<<

    No event in recent history embodies “fake news” more perfectly than the Sandy Hook Elementary School “massacre”.

    Just sayin’.

    Note: Link removed by blog host.

  6. I saw this mocked on Fox tonight. It is truly cringeworthy. Half the celebs I don’t know. The other half had their hay day a decade or more ago. And as Fox pointed out, only New York and California listened to them before the election. Who gives a fuck what they say now?

  7. The climate change data the charlitons want to hide is fake. Climategate addressed the issue as the writers discussed hiding the decline. Our climate is changing as it always does, and Arctic regions are warmer than they once were, but it is a stretch to ignore the sun and other contributors to our weather while proposing a restrictive socialist solution which will do nothing except enrich and empower greedy socialists and authoritarians.

    Democrats wanted our soldiers to die during the Iraq War to win an election. These people also don’t care how many suffer or die if their pain enriches the warmists.

  8. November was one of our warmest in history. December has been cold. It is -20 right now. Some cities north of us have reached -37. Our wind chill is about-30.

  9. Michele Obama says she is without hope. We were depressed as we watched Obama and his band of progs take our country, but we didn’t lose hope.

    A mitigating factor is her feeling no pride in our country before Obama’s election. But still she displays moral weakness.

    Ukraine held a contest for the most patriotic cat. They make as much sense as these entitled leftists.

    After Fraser lost his job and failed to acknowledge the reality of his changed circumstances, Niles interveined with “You’re not famous any more.”

  10. Anyone who believes the Sandy Hook massacre never happened or that Hillary Clinton ran a child trafficking ring out of the basement of a pizzeria that had no basement, is a friggin idiot. And let’s be clear: that exemplifies fake news.

    Let’s separate those events. Other than teevee, there is NO proof of sandy hook. Period.

    There IS a massive pedophilia ring operating in government and the pizza place IS involved. No, it isn’t run by hillary, but it DOES exist. It was the reason ‘fake news’ was concocted and used to divert REAL journalists and investigators from uncovering more facts that could likely expose the whole thing. The actor that came in with his gun was setup to go along with the ‘threat’ of fake news.

    For God’s sake, we’ve got people who believe the Earth is flat and the center of the solar system.

    That is how God set it up, according to scripture. You either believe it or not. Those who claim the Bible infallible would have to believe.. Simple experiments prove we are not traveling through the universe at high speed. Americans, though, are sooooo out of touch with reality. The indigenous peoples had the concept down. So did many other civilized cultures. 3,500 years of history as opposed to 500 years of ball earth deception.

    Bottom line, if you believe the teevee or your state issued adolescent indoctrination, you are believing a FAKE reality designed to render you powerless and nonthreatening,

  11. “Facebook is contemplating a plan to run “news” through a fact checker like Politifact. Problem is many so called fact checkers lean liberal.”

    Why don’t they have as many checking the facts? What do conservatives have against “fact checking”?

  12. Do you have any idea what the douchebags at “Politifact” call “facts?”

    Okay a new profession should be created…fact checking. Problem solved?

  13. Evidently we’ve got idiots who take crazy people seriously. The inability to discern crazy people from the rest is a bigger problem than having crazy people among us.

  14. We don’t hold people accountable for what they report. They hide behind the freedom to report lies and they hide behind phony satire.

    How can anyone from the press be held responsible for lies when you have Harry Reid as a party leader?

    The standard response will be to name someone from the other party who also obviously lies. That’s the final nail in the coffin.

  15. The answer for the umpteenth time on the umpteenth thread is to stop watching. If nobody gave them an audience the lies would die on the vine.

  16. “Evidently we’ve got idiots who take crazy people seriously. The inability to discern crazy people from the rest is a bigger problem than having crazy people among us.

    I totally agree! Too many idiots believed what Ole Crazy Annus Mouth had to say.

  17. “Okay a new profession should be created…fact checking. Problem solved?”

    No. Problem exacerbated.

    I propose eliminating the title altogether and have journolist report rather than try to influence. Novel, huh?

  18. Muffy, my “liberals believe factual truths are determined through consensus” theory there is no accountability. The reason that libs accept or ignore the overt lies knowing that they are lies is that the liberal legacy media represents consensus to them. They will literally tolerate anything if their perception is that it bears the imprimatur of consensus.

    My consensus theory is also applies to their politicians. And it’s why the left is going absolutely batshit crazy after the election. Notice how they act like the doomsday cult members that see the world didn’t end when predicted? They never admit that the leader was full of shit or they were wrong. They readjust their agreed upon reality.

    So, I agree with your “solution.”

  19. “Popular vote total outside California.”

    So you mean one state controls enough voting power if left to a direct democracy it could impose a tyranny of a slender majority everytime? Why the founding fathers could never have envisioned that when they created the electoral college. 🙄

    This ignorance behind the attack on the electoral college is mind-numbing.

  20. “This ignorance behind the attack on the electoral college is mind-numbing.”

    Did you hear Obama stand up for the electoral college at his presses the other day though?

    Yeah, me neither.

    It’s only a matter of time before they tie it to slavery.

  21. “It is truly cringeworthy.”

    It has been running on cable TV all weekend. Seriously. They spent millions of dollars to send a message to 500 and some people.

  22. “@ Tigre – the consensus is instant comfort.”

    That, for no other reason, is why Trump’s victory is such a good thing. There is no questioning or self-examination otherwise.

  23. After Fraser lost his job and failed to acknowledge the reality of his changed circumstances, Niles interveined with “You’re not famous any more.”

    Kudos to anyone who makes a Fraser reference.

    As for your Michelle comments, Judge Jeannine went ballistic last night over Michelle’s loss of hope.

    For an intelligent woman, Michelle can say some stupid stuff. And before everyone piles on – she IS intelligent. I’m not getting into a 30 comment exchange about it.

  24. you are believing a FAKE reality designed to render you powerless and nonthreatening,

    Oh yes, believing the sun is at the center of our solar system makes me feel sooooo powerless. 🙄

    Poolman you implied in another comment that your eyes have been opened within the past few years. For that I am thankful because no one harboring your current set of delusions has any business raising children. Thank God your kids grew up before you lost your marbles.

  25. Without the land of make-believe Trmp wins the popular vote by 1.4 million.

    Bingo. And THIS is the value of the electoral college, a value I confess eluded me until this election. Why on Earth should California (and New York) decide an election?

    The electoral college as I’m coming to understand it respects the role of each STATE in the election, not each person. And in so doing it better reflects the sentiment of the country as a whole.

  26. Now my quest is to educate them to truth, since the state doesn’t know what that is. Yes, thank God I no longer am blinded by science. 😆

  27. They will literally tolerate anything if their perception is that it bears the imprimatur of consensus.

    Your consensus theory is pretty explicit in the execution of lib politics. Man-made climate change (about which I’m on a fence) is ENTIRELY sold on the basis of consensus.

  28. They spent millions of dollars to send a message to 500 and some people.

    And worse, the melodramatic message will be ignored. They wasted their donor’s money. We’ll wake up Tuesday with this behind us.

    On to impeachment!!!!

  29. Just think of the guilt teachers are going to experience once they understand the truth and realize how they have been used to deceive the minds of many. I mean, it’s one thing for a person to discover truth and try to share it. A total nuther thing when you feed lies to young highly impressionable kids for a living.

  30. There is no questioning or self-examination otherwise.

    Henry Kissinger said something similar on Face the Nation today. Trump’s constant questioning of established norms could have some very positive results.

  31. Poolman your problem is your inability to restrain your mind. You conflate lies with truth and you’re awash in skepticism and conspiracy.

    There is a huge difference between teachers not telling kids that Native Americans were abused and their land stolen and telling them the earth moves around the sun.

  32. I agree with Lurker. “Too many idiots believed what Ole Crazy Annus Mouth had to say.” Too many of those idiots are dishonest fact checkers.

    Thank goodness the old hariden lost the election, but annus mouth is a strong term , even for hillary.

  33. I don’t think you could survive 24 hours without your teevee fix.

    There, you’ve got me. I still blame my terrible freshman grades on the fact it was the first time in my life I lived without a tv. Having something I wanted to watch always structured my day. Without it, I was rudderless.

  34. Actually true James. She can’t use stupidity as an excuse.

    She may have suffered an humiliation as bad as Hillary. She put herself right out there for Hillary, moralizing to the country on the evils of Trump and causing every lib pundit to cum in their pants. Then the electorate told Michelle, we’re not listening.

    It’s actually worse than “you’re not famous anymore”. It’s “we’ve stopped listening”.

  35. James I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard as when Niles set the couch on fire with an iron. They focused on wordplay more than slapstick but their slapstick was impeccable.

  36. My mind is quite disciplined, Rutherford. It knows when to hold ’em, knows when to fold ’em, knows when to walk away, and knows when to run. Restraint has its place and is one of the many options I can choose – at will.

    I won’t bring up the many unprovables the THEORY known as the heliocentric model assumes, just note they have NEVER been able to reproduce them experimentally or in a model of any size. There is no measurable proof, in-other-words NO EVIDENCE proving the heliocentric model.

    But go ahead and run with it anyway, you are a part of the majority. There is generally comfort in mass. Another ‘fact’ by consensus.

  37. Yes, Rutherford, Frasier was one of our best situation comedies. Another you probably is the French farce at the ski lodge.

    The Plains region has periodic droughts and one serious one comes about every 20 years or so. The little sibling of the Dust Bowl nearly wiped us out in the 1970’s.

    A neighbor told us how he had worked hard and spent a lot of money on his failed crop in 1974.

    “I might as well have taken the money and thrown it onto the road. I would have had more fun.”

    Progressive donors must feel the same.

  38. There is a huge difference between teachers not telling kids that Native Americans were abused and their land stolen and telling them the earth moves around the sun.

    Yes there is. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGE!!!

    Regarding the first part of your first statement, we have hundreds of examples and actual evidence. In-other-words – PROOF. We know it to be true. The second half of the statement is conjecture passed off as truth. In-other-words A GUESS. We don’t know. It hasn’t been proved that the earth moves around the sun. The THEORY has been presented in various forms since the 3rd century. Today’s heliocentric hypothesis isn’t settled science even among scientists.

    Omitting truth can be bad. Passing off guesses as fact is worse. Industrial.

  39. It’s only a matter of time before they tie it to slavery.

    Interestingly, on Meet the Press today Yamiche Alcindor suggested that with slavery behind us, so should the electoral college be abandoned.

  40. James, we haven’t been cold compared to the rest of the country. Mrs poolman did cover her tomatoes and eggplants last night. It got down to 34 here. It’s only up in the mid 60’s now. It will drop now that the sun is going down. This is our winter. We had 2/10ths of an inch of rain from the last weather system that came through. It got very windy, but now it is calmed somewhat, though the gusts are chilly. I had to wear a jacket to church this morning.

    I have probably seen every Frasier episode at least once.

  41. No event in recent history embodies “fake news” more perfectly than the Sandy Hook Elementary School “massacre”.

    Welcome to the blog Hypnotiized. I approved your comment but removed your link because we already have Poolman posting such garbage here. 20 dead kids. It happened.

  42. It will drop now that the sun is going down.

    How does the sun “go down” in your world, Poolman? Remember, in your world not only is the earth at the center but it is flat. Describe sunset in that scenario.

  43. It would be tough to farm for a living, though I do like growing stuff. Where we live you have to import dirt or make it from compost if you expect the plants (aside from desert varieties) to grow. There are fertile areas in the valley, but a lot of rock, caliche, and sand. The weather is good for most crops, though some need protection from our intense sun. If we can protect from occasional freezes, many last through winter. We have 2 growing seasons.

    The cruciferous vegetables love this cold. Unfortunately the rodents love them too. They were loving the green beans and romaine too. I had to buy a pellet gun, since traps were ineffective.

    The cat has 2 mouse kills. I killed one and wounded a roof rat that so far hasn’t returned. The cat now cues me as to when there is something in the garden. 🙂

  44. How does the sun “go down” in your world, Poolman? Remember, in your world not only is the earth at the center but it is flat. Describe sunset in that scenario.

    Simply. The sun moves across the sky and goes down. We call it sunset. If we are worthy of another day, the sun rises (sunrise) and moves across the sky. I can see it all from my flat earth.

  45. “Are you suggesting I should turn off MSNBC and go out and play?”

    I really meant all plugged into the same message which has just been shutdown, but if the shoe fits. . . 😆

    If MSNBC were cancelled, I picture you at the Maypole.

    I still don;t get the Maypole thing. But you’re there in the theatre of my mind.

  46. What’s he wearing?

    Rutherford, your mind is just fuzzy because it believes it is traveling multiples of multiples of miles through space.

  47. Can’t even muster the energy to scroll the comments due to the village idiot leaking his piss jug all over the place.

  48. “Your consensus theory is pretty explicit in the execution of lib politics.”

    I really think it’s evident. But I think it explains to me why there is such tolerance for the willingness to embrace the legacy media even when it is so frequently exposed for the most egregious acts of bullshit peddling. Conspicuous lying with virtually no accountability. I find the left’s willingness to forgive ad continue looking to the legacy media knowing of its countless journalistic truly vexing. A movie ironically title “Truth” attempting to cleanse Dan Rather-gate came out earlier this year. I really don’t get it. I know there’s more to it than just confirmation bias. Remember Rather’s defense of his false reporting? “Fake but accurate.” Holy shit. That is exactly what I’m talking about. If the perceived consensus is that Bush is that kind of guy, so the objective truth no longer matters. Everyone agrees that he’s that kind of guy and that’s all that’s needed.

    And it’s why I found your “ignore it at your own peril” comment so telling and why Muffy’s comment that it really needs to be ignored until there’s some reason that it’s re-established its credibility is dead on.

    My brother is a GM exec. I won’t buy American and he hates that I won’t. He pleads with me that they recognized the error of their ways and are back to building good cars. He knows what he’s talking about and he’s probably right. “Probably.” But it’s not good enough for me. The US auto industry sold its soul in the 1980s and I’m not ready to forgive and trust the fuckers for what they did its legacy. I am a consumer and there’s others that deliver the product that don’t need my forgiveness.

    So too with the legacy media — but unlike the US auto industry, it doesn’t admit its sins. It just smugly doubles down and continues on. It seems to think we need it rather than it needing us. It’s become utterly shameless.

    Take that asshole on the Tucker Carlson clip. Not only does the guy proudly proclaim himself an award winning journalist, he holds such reverence for the title and expects others too as well, that his answer for peddling outright bullshit was, “let me answer that by telling you about the ‘journalistic process.’ Now let me answer my own question rather than the one you asked, and by fuck, you’re obligated to listen because I’m a journalist God damn it.” The sacred “journalistic process” allows him to fucking lie? Are you kidding? How could anyone watch that and not want to smack the shit out of him? But go to his twitter account as Huck suggested, and you’ll see people encouraging him as though he’s some kind of warrior rather than a clown that exemplifies. And the only reason guys like that still have jobs is because so many on the left will to consume the bullshit thinking that what he says represents a consensus.

    If Tigre and and Kissinger said something along the same lines, we’ll then. What more needs to be said?

  49. “My brother is a GM exec. I won’t buy American and he hates that I won’t. He pleads with me that they recognized the error of their ways and are back to building good cars.”

    30% classic dick brother move. 70% the reasoning you gave R.

  50. My 94 Blazer is a tank. Got 2 hundy on her. That Chevy Small Block is a beast among beasts.

    Every other GM I’ve had has sucked.

  51. Rutherford, your no one is listening comment took me back to Essex, UK.

    Farmers burned their wheat fields after harvest, and the flames made such a sight that towns people came out to watch. Low clouds reflected the firey light and bathed us in an errie red hue.

    The experience was almost like going to church as if we all had tapped into a centuries old spiritual awakening.

    I asked my wife, “Where do gods go when we no longer believe in them?” My wife said “huh?”

  52. Thanks for the information, Poolman. Our surviving tomatoes are ripening in our kitchen.

    It is 2 degrees here and will fall a bit below zero before some thawing later this week.

    Yes, farming is hard, and we nearly didn’t make it several times, but it is easier than living with a den of vipers in a university. The satisfaction of owning our own little empire is also worth the gamble we made.

  53. “That Chevy Small Block is a beast among beasts.”

    I think the chevy small block (327) is one of the best engines made. Plenty of balls. Durable as shit.

    The good old days.

    Outside of the pickups, I don’t know of anything that you can count on to hit 200k + anymore. But you can expect that out of damn near any mid level Jap cars. One of the guys I work with just turned 320k in Toyota Four Runner.

    A lot of the Germans are nice, but overpriced and cost a fortune to maintain.

    I’d like to like Americans. If it weren’t such a big investment, I’d try again. But life’s too short to own a piece of shit you pour money into and you can’t count on.

  54. Lurker, yes we have idiots who take crazy and evil people seriously.

    ? Suprum became a minor celebrity after he stated that as an elector he would vote against Trump in the Electoral College. Liberal news sellers bought his resume without question.

    They were perveyers of false news while some conservative bloggers found the truth.

    The false news campaign is merely part of a concerted attack on conservatives and Trump. The ultimate goal is to change our form of government and to manage the news for political gain.

    The crazy and evil people hope the idiots won’t pay attention until it is too late.

  55. Our mail carrier put 400,000 miles on his Ford Festiva before he sold it. He replaced the motor twice. We have a Festiva the children used in college and our was our daughter’s first car after she got married. We still have the car but rarely drive it. The Festiva is like driving a riding mower with a cab.

  56. I’ve never owned a new car in my life. If did, it would SAP every last dime of fun/family money. I go with the two beaters strategy. Always two. Total value of about 6 grand.

    People make fun of my rusty ’05 minivan. A total piece of shit. But, instead of taking a 18 hour team bus back from an out of state wrestling event during a winter storm, I booked a last minute flight for me and lil rabbit. The Dad’s on the bus were practically sobbing with envy. I told them the next time you motherfuckers bust my balls about that mini van, think about your bus ride from hell.

  57. My dad didn’t want his disabled son driving a “used car” for fear it would leave me stranded so I’ve only ever owned two used cars, both purchased after I’d been driving over 20 years and my dad had other things to worry about.

    We bought a used BMW for my wife to drive while I drove the Benz. Then, in 2014 I accidentally bought another used BMW. I say accidentally because it was the prior years model but I thought it was a leftover that had never been sold. Didn’t realize it was used till I was about to drive it off the lot. Hated the damn car and traded it in for a new i3 four months later.

    The best car experience I ever had was buying a new VW Beetle for cash. Dealer takes you fucking seriously when you’re not financing. Icing on the cake: short disabled guy walks into VW dealership and says “I’m buying THAT car today”. LOL. They didn’t see THAT every day. 😀

  58. “They didn’t see THAT every day.”

    A dude buying a VW Bug has got to be pretty fucking rare. Did it have the little flower face affixed to the dash?

    As for the beemer, how do you buy a car without knowing what model it is?

  59. Or did you buy a used thinking it was new? If so, how the fuck does that happen?

    I’m beginning to see how you wound up with that BMW pussy-magnet.

  60. As for the beemer, how do you buy a car without knowing what model it is?

    No no no. I knew what model it was. It was a 2013 being sold in early 2014 and I misunderstood the dealer to be saying it was leftover inventory, not that it was preowned. Only after I finished the transaction did I see preowned on the sticker and more miles on it than a new car should have. Honestly I can’t say he tricked me. I think I heard what I wanted to hear.

    I’m a “drive to church on Sunday” kinda driver nowadays so when I traded the car in four months later it was almost identical to what they sold me. Dealer was shocked how few miles I put on it.

    As for the Beetle, it was a 2000 model, not the Classic of the 60’s. But yes it came with a flower “vase” screwed into the dashboard. Goddam how I loved that car. Once we had the kid, it ceased to be practical and we traded it in for a used BMW (not the one I accidentally bought years later).

  61. I’m beginning to see how you wound up with that BMW pussy-magnet.

    Interestingly, unlike the beemer I bought accidentally, I researched the fuck out of that i3. I was the first dude in Naperville to buy that model. My daughter was mortified when a guy pulled up next to me at a traffic light and yelled “hey, is that that new electric car?” I gave him a thumbs up while my daughter died a little inside. 😀

  62. “I gave him a thumbs up while my daughter died a little inside.”

    That’s always fun. Like when I told my kids I wanted some cufflinks “so I can look pimp” and was told by the oldest “I never want to hear that come out of your mouth again.

    If you can’t aggravate your kids then what good re they?

  63. LOL Huck reminds me of when I tried to use “unfleek” in a sentence. I still don’t know wtf it means and my daughter has given me a similar warning to never say it again. 😀

  64. If the tranny hadn’t died in my Acura TL, it would have 300K by now – and that thing didn’t burn a drop of oil. Wasn’t worth replacing at 271K so I gave it to make a wish. So I bought a V6 Honda Accord for my wife which is actually now nicer than the Acura (minus the fancy leather) and expect it will go 200K without so much as a problem.

    There’s so many electronics on the damn thing, took me 15 minutes to figure out how to turn off the radio.

    Do you know HP has changed their fricking keyboard layout? Took me two minutes to find the damn delete key. Why can’t people leave things alone. Good grief.

    Like Tigre, GM burned in the mid 80s and I never will go back.

  65. If the tranny hadn’t died in my Acura TL,

    I’m sorry but I read that the wrong way and for one moment thought Tex waaaay more interesting than he really is. 😀😀

  66. I loved my old Lenovo keyboard but the damn laptop is near death. I’m now using a hand me down from my daughter which also sucks. I like “bucket seat” keys on my keyboard. I don’t like these flat keys.

    I’m buying a new Dell laptop to replace the hand me down – strictly for giving webinars.

    I’m reasonably happy with my Dell “tower”. But I would like to know why, if we can put a man on the moon, why can’t we create reliable wireless home networks?

  67. Tex I think Microsoft missed the boat on Windows 10 because they’re trying to serve two different masters, hardware wise. They’re using one OS to satisfy both traditional and touch screen users.

  68. So Santa is bringing an iPhone 7 for me and my daughter and now I’m going through case-hell. I think I’ve settled on a purchase and then I read a bad customer review that throws me off my game. I was gonna buy the same brand for both of us but now I’m thinking I may buy two different brands and make my daughter use the one that provides better protection.

    Why do there have to be 150 fucking brands of iPhone cases?

  69. You know. Setting up a computer is a royal pain in the ass anymore. My backups won’t restore so I reverted back to 1989 to cut and paste what files I could find and unzipped. I probably lost about 2 years worth of email. The photos may be gone forever. The wireless printer was a massive pain in the butt just to scan something in (tomorrow is my baby’s 26th birthday and I had to get something to Facebook since I had done it for everybody else).

    And as to restoring my Office software, forget it. It would be just as easy to buy it again through my wife’s employer on the cheap.

    No wonder people get fed up with technology. I used to know this stuff backwards and forwards. No more.

    😡

  70. “LOL Huck reminds me of when I tried to use “unfleek” in a sentence. I still don’t know wtf it means and my daughter has given me a similar warning to never say it again.”

    It’s the opposite of “on fleek”

    c’mon man….

    Next time your daughter does her hair up all nice, tell her her doo is on fleek. Maybe top it off with some death metal to send her over the edge.

  71. “But I would like to know why, if we can put a man on the moon, why can’t we create reliable wireless home networks?”

    Ask Poolman…

  72. I just save all my old hard drives. I bought an SATA/IDE to USB and I can access those files. I hope to stay with this win 7 for as long as possible. I do not like 10.

  73. Maybe top it off with some death metal to send her over the edge.

    It’s amazing how times have changed. When I was 13 cussing was strictly forbidden in my home. I had to listen to the Stones “Star Star” on the sly so my parents wouldn’t hear the lyrics “you’re a starfucker”. Now just to make her laugh, I play my daughter “Die motherfucker die”. She thinks it’s hilarious. I may have first heard that song from Huck!!!

  74. “The best car experience I ever had was buying a new VW Beetle for cash.” Rutherford

    I’d be less embarrassed divulging my passion for putting rodents in my anus than telling this room I bought a VW Beetle.

    That’s probably the only car I just couldn’t drive.

  75. We bought an almost new red Maveric after someone won it as a prize. He died before he could drive it. Someone else bought the car and also died. Six months later, we bought the car which still had only a couple of hundred miles on it.

    Our high school superintendent as a WW11 veteran who brought a VW home from Germany. Some boys picked up the car and carried it up stairs to the second floor of school. Luckily, our superintendent thought it was funny.

    I had a VW in college. My parents had many cars , including two Beetles. We still have a 1966 black Beetle, and a 1976 VW van which my father bought at an action. The car turned out to be stolen, and my
    father couldn’t get a title. He put license plates from another car onto the van when he wanted to drive it. Both vehicles have been near a tree for years.

  76. I have had 3 brand new vehicles so far:

    1979 Toyota Celica, 2005 Toyota Tundra, 2005 Hyundai Tucson.

    My younger daughter had a new 2007 Scion tc that mrs poolman drives now. When she was close to delivering her first child they swapped vehicles.

    I had an old VW fastback once that I paid 500 cash for. It would always start and run when our other cars wouldn’t, no matter how cold. The gear shift was the sloppiest ever. A mechanic looked it over and told us to never take it on out-of-town trips because the block had a crack. We drove the heck out of it for years and sold it to a friend for 300 bucks. He hit a curb and rolled it within a week. Totaled the car, but fortunately didn’t hurt him too bad. He ended up being killed 6 months later in a VW bug with another friend of ours when a drunk driver ran a stop sign and plowed into them. Those old bugs were like tin cans with no steel frame. There was not too much concern for passenger safety back then. They performed well in snow since they were so light and the engine in the rear.

    My favorite snow vehicle was my 79 Toyota 4X4 pickup. I loved to hit the road after a fresh snow and I intended to buy a plow for it to clear parking lots for money. But it seems that idea hit a lot of people at the same time and had I done that, I probably would not have made enough to pay off the 4K investment.

  77. I owned a touch screen for about 5 years now, R, and never find myself using it. Frankly, I find the utility pretty useless with someone used to a mouse – which is still much faster, at least my experience.

  78. Bingo. And THIS is the value of the electoral college, a value I confess eluded me until this election. Why on Earth should California (and New York) decide an election?

    The electoral college as I’m coming to understand it respects the role of each STATE in the election, not each person. And in so doing it better reflects the sentiment of the country as a whole.

    Keep it up, R, and someday, it might finally occur to you why the 17th Amendment was a damn fool mistake.

  79. Note: Link removed by blog host.
    The irony reaches overdose levels.

    I think I get your point BiC and you should know my MO well enough to know I don’t edit comments typically but I just couldn’t bear to post another link to “evidence” that Sandy Hook never happened. I tried to strike a balance by letting the commenter through the door.

    One Poolman is enough. Perhaps I should have just trashed the comment instead of editing it but I typically only trash comments that are either spam or pure site-pimping.

  80. Keep it up, R, and someday, it might finally occur to you why the 17th Amendment was a damn fool mistake.

    Awwwww fuck. Now I’ve got to go read the constitution again. 😀

  81. Again? You don’t remember what it says? As for the link, he’s too emotionally involved in the event being real to look at any evidence proving otherwise. Logic no longer applies there. I probably am familiar with whatever link was provided and don’t see anyone else here giving it any real consideration. I would think most people that watch legacy news believe it when it fits their paradigm.The masses are unfamiliar with stagecraft or witchcraft. They don’t believe in magik but believe there is some benevolent pixie dust that floats down and protects them from any mental hijacking.

  82. “Awwwww fuck. Now I’ve got to go read the constitution again.”

    Again??? 😆 Would you like me to Google it for you and provide the link?

  83. R, you’re always wrong.

    But I will say, I’m glad you can see how silly the left is behaving. You also have recognized that Hillary lost because she’s a rotten candidate and human being, not because Trump is a good one.

    I see the dems self destructing and the MSM walking the green mile. Of course this brings me immeasurable joy. However, I wonder what you visualize. Are your liberal friends just incapable of coming to grips? Mine sure as fuck are.

  84. I would relish working on a university campus on Inauguration Day, but since I don’t dare speak against the impending bedwetting, it’s going to really suck.

  85. Why does this term “election hack” keep emerging in the MSM? It was hack of the DNC and Podesta was fucking phished. There was no “election hack.”

    Fake news.

  86. Why does this term “election hack” keep emerging in the MSM?

    Scroll up and find my similar comment to which I think Alfie replied. The MSM wants you to believe that the ELECTION, not the emails, were hacked.

    I asked earlier if this was sloppy wordsmithing or deliberate deception. Alfie voted for deception.

  87. Notice another refrain we’re hearing in the press and they don’t even know how arrogant they sound: one of the reasons no one in the White House aggressively pursued the “Russian intervention” was that they thought Hillary would win. This has been reported repeatedly with a straight face.

    So as long as she was gonna win, nobody gave a flying fuck about Russia. After she lost…different story.

  88. “I asked earlier if this was sloppy wordsmithing or deliberate deception. Alfie voted for deception.”

    And I’ll bet the number of people that are deceived is greater than 52%

  89. Are your liberal friends just incapable of coming to grips?

    I’m at a loss for words. I don’t recognize these people. I knew Hillary’s defeat would disappoint some folks … but this nonsense?

    I saw a woman screaming at an elector in Wisconsin “YOU DON’T BELONG IN AMERICA!” WTF? I’m thinking “hey dingbat, your kids are gonna see that tape one day. You really want that display in your internet history?” The cops escorted her out.

    I’ve had to step a bit lightly on Facebook for fear of offending friends who have gone off the deep end. One of them posted “a sad day in American history” and I was one of two dissenting opinions in a stream of libs.

    And sure enough, one person in the stream said “impeachment is next”. 🙄

  90. “And sure enough, one person in the stream said “impeachment is next”.”

    Why are they so anxious for Mike Pence to be President?

  91. Good question. Maybe they’re ignorant enough to think if you convict Donald in the Senate, Hillary becomes president? 😀😀😀

    On a more serious note, I can foresee an arrangement whereby Pence is the de facto POTUS whilst Donald is the public cheerleader for America. Donald has already said he may do rallies while president. I actually welcome that idea. One problem with the Obama years that I’m willing to concede was the total lack of joy with which he executed the office.

    Trump is having the time of his life.

  92. “Good question. Maybe they’re ignorant enough to think if you convict Donald in the Senate, Hillary becomes president?”

    Maybe you should pose that question to the person in that comment string.

  93. And sure enough, one person in the stream said “impeachment is next”.

    Tit for tat. The right was talking impeachment of barry just about from the get go. The sad thing is this happens to some degree every time. Government wins regardless. We ALWAYS get more and bigger government no matter what color wins. Media is tasked to highlight the extremes, often making it up for dramatic effect. Industrial Dividers. Professional Liars.

  94. How can you be at a loss for words, Rutherford? These are the same people
    who welcomed soldiers home many years ago. They are the same old grannies who attacked you and some others who ventured into that site.

    They were intolerant authoritarians forty years ago, and the Obama administration with the supporters it attracted prove them to be the same people.

  95. Thanks Tigre. Now I’m in trouble on Facebook for posting that Santa NYT. 😛 My goody two shoes wife is rolling her eyes, but I heard her snickering in bedroom. No telling how many “unfriends” I’ll receive today.

  96. 🙂 These are great days, BIC. Get a load of this:

    Donald Trump pulled off one of the greatest political feats in modern history by defeating Hillary Clinton and the vaunted Clinton machine. . . .

    The election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama: his fantasy world of political correctness, the politicization of the Justice Department and the I.R.S., an out-of-control E.P.A., his neutering of the military, his nonsupport of the police and his fixation on things like transgender bathrooms. Since he became president, his party has lost 63 House seats, 10 Senate seats and 14 governorships. . . .

    Mr. Trump received over 62 million votes, not all of them cast by homophobes, Islamaphobes, racists, sexists, misogynists or any other “ists.” I would caution Trump deniers that all of the crying and whining is not good preparation for the coming storm. The liberal media, both print and electronic, has lost all credibility. I am reasonably sure that none of the mainstream print media had stories prepared for a Trump victory. I watched the networks and cable stations in their midnight meltdown.

    The media’s criticism of Trump’s high-level picks as “not diverse enough” or “too white and male” — a day before he named two women and offered a cabinet position to an African-American — magnified this fact.

    Here is a final word to my Democratic friends. The election is over. There will not be a do-over. So let me bid farewell to Al Sharpton, Ben Rhodes and the Clintons. Note to Cher, Barbra, Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham: Your plane is waiting. And to Jon Stewart, who talked about moving to another planet: Your spaceship is waiting. To Bruce Springsteen, Jay Z, Beyoncé and Katy Perry, thanks for the free concerts. And finally, to all the foreign countries that contributed to the Clinton Foundation, there will not be a payoff or a rebate.

    As Eddie Murphy so eloquently stated in the movie “48 Hrs.”: “There’s a new sheriff in town.” And he is going to be here for 1,461 days. Merry Christmas.

  97. Most of you will hate this, but I don’t care.

    Sofia was taught that she and her culture were inferior. Her subtle Asian traits cast doubts on her authenticiy as a European. Enlightened Swedes still
    call her and her kind Mongoloid mongrels and worse.

    Sofia, like Michele Malkin takes the racial slurs and throws them back. Critics have called her a woman of steel. She protests and unlike some of our celebreties who caught the vapors from Trump, she has actually been in jail.

    She throws her religion back to her critics in her music, and she has called Obama a foreign occupier and liar.

    Compared to Sofia and others of her tribe, Katy, Bruce and the others are spoiled weaklings.

    We have also been called deplorables, but there is a new sheriff in town.

  98. You’re only allowed to say that if you yourself have suffered through the videos. If you have, may God have mercy on your soul.

  99. Just reply with a simple “And then what?”

    I decided to be less coy and spell out the consequence to the dingbat.

    If she’s worried about Trump getting inside her womb, just give Pence a shot at it. 😀

  100. These are some great questions that you raised. I started my blog Millennial and Political to counter baseless opinion and the rejection of fact. I think we’re a long way from getting people to take fact seriously and stopping the spread of misinformation, because the President Elect can’t seem to stop himself from making inflammatory baseless accusations and critiques as well as completely denying factual, credible information when it best suits his narratives. And his supporters are buying it! In every post, I try my best to cite the facts I state and explain how I come to my opinionated conclusions. Yes, I am very liberal, but I am open-minded–Because fake news is a real threat!

  101. Yes, I am very liberal, but I am open-minded–Because fake news is a real threat!

    Every time I hear a liberal tell me he or she is liberal, a bell rings in hell. 🙂 Fake News is a pillar of Leftist thought….

  102. The powers that be are the greatest purveyors of fake news.

    The government has now established its ministry of truth within the latest ndaa.

    The real truth is a threat to power. Always has been.

  103. “I think we’re a long way from getting people to take fact seriously and stopping the spread of misinformation, because the President Elect can’t seem to stop himself from making inflammatory baseless accusations and critiques as well as completely denying factual, credible information when it best suits his narratives. And his supporters are buying it! ”

    Like this kind of fake news?

    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/12/18/lessig-electoral-college-flip/

    Or this kind of fake news?

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/congress-obama-admin-fired-top-scientist-advance-climate-change-plans/

  104. DR, I watched Black Mirror. After seeing the first episode I only have 1 question…

    What the fuck was that? The British PM must fuck a pig?

    You’ll play hell getting me to watch further…..

  105. Our lawyer’s daughter knows Sofia and likes her as a person. I can’t stand most of her music but she is a
    couragous woman with strong values. She is the anthisis of singers like Katy Perry or Bruce Springstein.

    That is why I reposted that song. I can tolerate it more than most. But her music and her reindeer herd have made her richer than any of us. She is also a Rush Limbaugh like talk show host.

    She makes threats and follows through even if they put her in jail. She is a vivid contrast to the weaklings who pose as our entertainers.

    That is why I saddled you with her.

  106. I like the two videos Muffy posted. I am so old that the New Christy Minstrels was one of my favorite groups when they were still performing.

    I read about Cameron’s relationship with a pig several years ago. I have forgotten the details. Wasn’t it if it really happened, part of a university initiation??

  107. Like Rutherford, I don’t think fake news should be censored. We run the risk of having some authority declare real news to be fake. Attack such news with the truth.

    “If you have, may God have mercy on your soul” is one of my favorite lines of the day, El Tigre.

  108. “You expect a lib to have a conservative blog?”

    We’d like a liberal to have a truthful blog.

    Like yours is becoming. 🙂

  109. Ok I need help with this one.

    MSNBC is abuzz today because some charity run by the Trump sons promises donors of $x.00 dollars a photo op or something with Donald.

    How is that different from the fundraising emails I used to get saying “one lucky winner will meet President Obama” or some such thing as that?

    Is the media aware of those fundraising emails?

    I’m lost.

  110. I love how a liberal visitor links to his liberal blog and gets abused for having a liberal blog.

    First of all, there is nothing new about the blog, Rutherford. It’s an immature version of the Rutherford Lawson blog, minus the regulars – what yours was eight years ago, perhaps even more irrational group think and untruthful echo chamber.

    Second, there is nothing open-minded about the blog of reference in the least. It takes the very worst of the fake news and reshapes it as if it were fact to meet the preconceived notions of what the author wants to believe the world to be and not what is.

    It’s a smorgasbord of the very worst things you now criticize on something like MSNBC – and something you’ve only begin to discover about your own misgivings, because you can objectively look at Hillary Clinton’s glaring faults and those of the entire Democratic Party where you could not with Obama until the very end.

    One thing is interesting. You will note very few of us have ever ventured far from our original opinions – say where they were eight years ago. You on the other hand, have had a recent radical transformation of epiphany. 🙂

  111. I’m sure the media is aware of the fund raising e- mails as it was of the Clintons renting out the Lincoln bedroom. Democrats are their friends and allies. Republicans are their enemies. The media are perveyers of false news whenever they can get away with it.

  112. Evolution In Teaching Math Since The 1950s

    Teaching Math In 1950s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit ?
    Teaching Math In 1960s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?
    Teaching Math In 1970s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
    Teaching Math In 1980s
    A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.
    Teaching Math In 1990s
    A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it’s ok.)
    Teaching Math In 2009
    Un hachero vende una carretada de madera para $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?
    Teaching Math In 2014
    Who cares, just steal the lumber from your rich neighbor’s property. He won’t have a gun to stop you, and the President says it’s OK anyway cuz it’s redistributing the wealth.

  113. The Daily Mail reports that Hilary won the popular election only because New York and California gave her so many votes. Excluding those two states gives Trump a three million vote majority.

    Lets watch the math teachers twist that fact into fake lessons.

  114. Specifically, New York City Boroughs and the Coastal part of California, overwhelmingly Clinton.

    Exactly explaining why there is the genius of the Electoral College – which worked exactly as our founders intended it to.

  115. Yes, I am very liberal, but I am open-minded–

    ♫ One of these things is not like the other…♫♪♫

    Because fake news is a real threat!

    I can’t think of a better reason to revive “Attack Watch”, and reinstate a “Snitch Here” White House email address. I mean, those guys at the IRS are just itching to punish someone.

  116. Did I miss the shred of proof the guy offered for his claim? I’d expect that from a journalist, not a political science professor.

  117. Yeah, I got that.

    That 1st episode just seemed so pointless and stupid. All through it I kept thinking “t/he/y should do such-and-such”. I suffered through it in hopes there would be a grand climax (no pun intended). Unlike the pig, which evidently had a pleasurable hour, my hour was a disappointment.

  118. A doctor told our daughter that 3% of children with our grand daughter’s condition have a relatively normal outcome. 20% of that group is intellectually normal or brighter.

    Our three year old Christmas miracle knows the difference between stratus, cumulus and cirrus clouds. On Tuesday, she and I cross country skied in the back yard for the first time.

    Her favorite song of the moment is Pentatonix “God Rest You Merry Gentlemen.” She also recognizes the name and can spell Google.

    I hope this doesn’t sound like bragging. Watching her is like leaving a severe storm.

  119. Arrest made in burning of black church that had “vote Trump” sprayed on it. The person arrested is a black guy that attended the church.

    Also, so far 3 of the “Trump supporters attacked me because I wore a hijab” claims have been debunked by police investigation.

    And this “they kicked me off of the plane for speaking Arabic” claim isn’t looking too solid, either.

    What isn’t fake is the gay guy who was tossed off a plane for screaming at Trump’s daughter, or the Southern Poverty Law Center omitting research findings that show hundreds of cases of hate speech against white k-12 students.

  120. Have there been an actual Trump attacks, or am I right in surmising that every stinking one of them being reported is a fraud perpetrated by members of the party of tolerance?

  121. I am confident there have been some, just based on odds, alone.

    But I’m getting really fucking tired of the exposure as lies not receiving the same attention as when they were 1st told.

  122. “I am confident there have been some, just based on odds, alone.”

    Well, I am waiting to read about one. And all the while I see attacks, some violent, are against Trump supporters or just people believed to be Trump supporters. So whacko actually shot and killed some poor schlub because the whacko thought the schlub was actually Trump. Of course the dud is deranged, but could you imagine of it had been directed at a Hillary or God forbid Obama target? They would be running endless press loops over in attempt to portray conservatives as fomenting violent extremism. The Left?? Yeah right.

  123. “Well, I am waiting to read about one.”

    Don’t get me wrong…I hear ya. I just don’t want to claim they are all bullshit and then have something thrown back at me the same way I’ve been slinging it, lately (not so much here as other places).

  124. I hope this doesn’t sound like bragging. Watching her is like leaving a severe storm.

    Not bragging at all. A testament to the individual and a rejection of summary “medical opinion”.

    I respect doctors but for the most part they’re not trained in the intangible spirit of the individual patient.

  125. Also, so far 3 of the “Trump supporters attacked me because I wore a hijab” claims have been debunked by police investigation.

    Let’s take a trip in the time machine. A Muslim who no one ever heard of, who had NEVER been personally attacked by Trump, went on national TV and questioned Trump’s patriotism. His wife stood by silent, dressed in the oppressive garb of her culture. Trump then asked out loud what many wondered privately: “mmm I wonder if in the Khan house he does all the talking?” Next thing you know, Trump has “attacked” a gold star mother.

    No one forced Khan to interject himself into an election (and drag his wife into it) but now they are the victims.

    We have witnessed busloads of bullshit in this election season.

  126. Is this one bullshit?

    “A Jewish family whose child attends an elementary school in Lancaster, Pennsylvania has fled the county out of fear for its safety following false reports on Fox News and Breitbart implying that the family forced the school to cancel a Christmas play.”

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Jewish-family-flees-Lancaster-County.html

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/12/22/jewish_family_flees_county_following_fox_news_breitbart_stories.html

  127. Is this one bullshit?

    Cui bono? Media beats their typical racist/hate drum. It smells of gefilte fish.

    Less likely, but maybe they’re victims of their own culture’s multiculturalistic machinations. I think it more likely designed to do exactly what you are helping it do. Bullets to shoot down whoever they tell you. In this case, probably Christians, or those considering themselves a part of that religious sect. It has to be those who want God kept in school. Separation of church and state has actually made the religion of state a dominant force at shutting down free speech and expression.

  128. I don’t know if it’s bullshit, Lurker?

    Is it a Trump-related attack? Because that’s what ET was asking about when I replied about bullshit.

  129. LOL. Go back to the Slate article. It was updated 10 minutes ago:

    “Update, Dec. 22, 2016, 8:40 p.m.: The Anti-Defamation League has spoken with the parents in question and asserted that the original report overstated their fear. The parents told the ADL that they left on vacation and did not “flee.” The story has been corrected accordingly.”

    Interesting that the inflammatory article was published without that having been known. Why it’s almost like. . . fake news again.

    I wonder if more of the generally unsourced bullshit might not be true. Slate is known to be such a scrupulous outlet when it comes to its “journalism,” particularly when it identifies new victims of right wing hate.

  130. Is this the hate speech that caused the family to flee to Disney World for winter break?

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/18/centerville-christmas-carol-play-ended-parents-object-god-bless-us-lancaster

    You know, having kids that attended a school where Christianity was stripped from the winter production entirely — as in no references or symbols to Christmas were permitted — although not Jewish or the bullshit Kwanzaa as a bizarro form of religious affirmative action/preference, I fail to see the huge transgression in the Fox or Breitbart article. The PC bullshit has been militant and absurd for a long time.

    So there were trolls commenting on the article? Oh my! Trump supporters must be racists and anti semitic.

    Duh.

  131. Huck, if you Google that Slate fake news headline, you’ll see it repeated in disseminated in countless liberal sites. I’ll bet f we check back later the correction will not appear at any of them.

    Fortunately we can count on Facebook to fact check that shit and call it out.

  132. “LOL. Go back to the Slate article. It was updated 10 minutes ago:

    “Update, Dec. 22, 2016, 8:40 p.m.: The Anti-Defamation League has spoken with the parents in question and asserted that the original”….

    Yes to the above……. but did Breitbart and Fox News report it, did Breitbart/Fox report as fact without doing any investigation. What was their point? Were they trying to make it sound as an attack on Christians/God/Christmas or what ever?????? Why do you assume Breitbart and Fox News is more credible than Slate or Philly.com. My point had nothing to do with A.M. this is about fake news being reported.

  133. What exactly did Fox News and Breitbart report, Lurker?

    This is your claim, not ours. Why not start with a link to what Fox and Breitbart reported, and not links about them reporting something.

  134. “What was their point? Were they trying to make it sound as an attack on Christians/God/Christmas or what ever?????? Why do you assume Breitbart and Fox News is more credible than Slate or Philly.com. My point had nothing to do with A.M. this is about fake news being reported.”

    I made no assumptions whatsoever about Fox or Breitbart (although I didn’t look at Breitbart). I told you about my personal experiences.

    My assumption is that you are a purveyor of fake news since you have been as long as I’ve been reading your bullshit here. I just went to the source to see the hubbub for myself, which your lazy ass didn’t.

    What part of the Fox article do you take issue with? I saw that they gave two versions and went to the school for its comment. Your fake news didn’t even bother with the family it said “fled.” Why are you repeating your divisive accusations and hate here on the RL blog? 😆

  135. Let’s break this shit down and get to the bottom of it. Inquiring minds like Lurker demand to know…IS THIS BULLSHIT?

    Slate gave 2 links. This is what we read in the Breitbart link:

    “Officials at Centerville Elementary School in East Hempfield Township said they canceled the play because it took too much time away from classroom instruction, but many parents believe it was because two parents complained about a line said in the play, Fox News reports.”

    Did you see what I see? “many parents believe it was because two parents complained about a line”

    Breitbart isn’t CAUSING many parents to believe that. Breitbart is REPORTING that many parents believe that. Read the words….

    Here’s what the Fox News link wrote:

    “Parents told local reporters the play was canceled because two parents complained about a line in the Charles Dickens holiday classic.

    “The unnamed parents took offense at the words uttered by Tiny Tim, “God bless us, every one,” television station WHTM reported.”

    Again, it’s parents in the community making the claim and Fox News reporting that the claim was made.

    So Lurker…what facts did Breitbart and Fox News get wrong in this story? Please point them out for us. So far the only fake news I see is the paragraph you copied and pasted and 1 of the 2 links you offered.

  136. I’ll bet f we check back later the correction will not appear at any of them.

    Damn right and no penalty for Slate getting it wrong in the first place.

    I’m almost ready to agree with Donald that we need to revisit libel/slander laws.

  137. Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
    3:30 PM – 27 Nov 2016
    54,216 54,216 Retweets 163,977 163,977 likes

    This fake news. What proof does A.M. have of the millions who voted illegally?

    Or blaming California and New York for giving Clinton 2.9M more votes. This statement made – if you did not count the votes of these two states A.M. would have won the popular vote.

    I can play that as well – eliminate the Electoral College and Clinton would have won.

    A.M. won Michigan by 10K+ votes. However, 75K were never counted….in the Detroit area.

    Why do Republicans use crosscheck; mailbox/certified letter, not telling people when they fill out a provisional ballet they have 10 days to validate it; few or faulty machines in high traffic areas and the other voter suppression games the Republicans play. If they had a good product to sell why do need these games??

  138. This is a fucking joke and watching Lurker contort herself to try and save face is hilarious.

    Just admit you were wrong and move on.

  139. My god you’re dumb.

    Donald Trump can say the earth is flat and that doesn’t make him a reporter or a news agency putting out fake news.

    Slate reporting that A Jewish family had to leave the country because of Fox News when they are in fact on vacation is fake news.

  140. A.M. is Lurker making fun of Trump’s pursed lips by calling him “Ass Mouth”

    The lack of intelligence she has displayed here suggests she didn’t come up with that on her own.

  141. “Or blaming California and New York for giving Clinton 2.9M more votes. This statement made – if you did not count the votes of these two states A.M. would have won the popular vote.”

    But that’s true, and even worse. It can be isolated to a handful of districts within the states themselves.

    “I can play that as well – eliminate the Electoral College and Clinton would have won.”

    Eliminate the electoral college and no one would win. The electoral college is the only method for determining the winner under the Constitution — ironically due to the truism of the statement concerning CA and NY above.

    R, if Trump owns the KKK because he didn’t sufficiently denounce it (or whatever), I’m holding you responsible for Lurker if you don’t denounce her.

  142. Well, turning a lemon exchange into lemonade, I will say that Lurker has illustrated why appointing “objective” arbiters of fake news and giving them censorship power is a VERY dangerous road to go down.

  143. I think we are ripe for a terrorist attack. You know why? We don’t have our eye on the ball while we obsess over foolishness.

    “News” today is Donald is having trouble getting A-list performers to participate in his inauguration. Meanwhile Lib pop stars are being recruited for an alternative event during the inauguration.

    First I say anyone who participates in that event should be boycotted by every patriotic American. It’s not about the man. It’s about the orderly transfer of power.

    Second, we better stop this stupid shit when we have North Korea with nukes and “Gina” viewing us aggressively. Not to mention the tally-me-banana, ehhh Taliban and al Queda/ISIL.

    Libs need to grow the fuck up and help Trump keep us safe in a crazy world.

  144. “I’m almost ready to agree with Donald that we need to revisit libel/slander laws.”

    No way. You libs and your media are taking care of the real problem all by yourselves.

    Everyday is Christmas with you guys!

  145. I deserve responsibility for Lurker. Had I known years ago what I know now, I would have told my fellow libs to put hrc out of their minds and start building a serious liberal bench. Instead I got blindsided and now it’s too late for me to tell Lurker we deserved to lose. I should have started sounding that alarm loud and clear back when the Michael Brown lie started. The writing was on the wall that identify politics was going to kick our ass in 2016.

  146. “The writing was on the wall that identify politics was going to kick our ass in 2016.”

    With all due respect R, liberalism is “identity politics.” That’s all it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

  147. ““News” today is Donald is having trouble getting A-list performers to participate in his inauguration. Meanwhile Lib pop stars are being recruited for an alternative event during the inauguration.”

    You mean they didn’t all move to Canada as promised?

  148. ““News” today is Donald is having trouble getting A-list performers to participate in his inauguration. Meanwhile Lib pop stars are being recruited for an alternative event during the inauguration.”

    Good. Let ’em. Anything to erode their influence. A protest pity party signifying their depth is a good start to an end.

  149. “Instead I got blindsided and now it’s too late for me to tell Lurker we deserved to lose.”

    No it’s not.

    R, I was being very literal when I said liberalism is identity politics. People are sick of liberalism. And what you’re just now seeing is why they are.

  150. Regarding Rabbits video, yes I did think all the white liberals actually sounded racist.

    BUT to suggest the blacks who were interviewed on the street are representative of all blacks is ridiculous. NYC blacks are not worried. Rural blacks and rural elderly may be a different story.

    I’m not making a case against voter id. I’m making an objection to the tactic of the video.

  151. “The writing was on the wall that identify politics was going to kick our ass in 2016.”

    Cheer up, Rutherford. Identity politics will still reap major long term victories for your asshole team.

    Blacks, a naturally conservative people who respect capitalism and Christianity, are still put into your spell by the DNC’ s Nasser-like speeches about the Palestin…I mean the black people and white people conflict. So that shit will rage on. All good there.

    You guys are doing great with your Balkanization of the South West. I’m sure your home brew ethnic conflict will blow up nicely for you. Such a shame, because an assimilated Mexican population naturally make awesome Americans. But, conflict it will be, evil ones.

    Rutherford, stick with the plan. Shredding this nation will work for you in the long run.

  152. “Rural blacks”

    OK. I’m going on a limb here. But I’m going to go ahead and claim that Rutherford knows as much about the concerns of the indigenous peoples of the philippines as he does of “rural backs”.

  153. Even if I’m wrong about rural blacks, my point remains: man on the street interviews are for entertainment purposes only. They lack any scientific rigor to prove a point and since they are edited, they are even more suspect.

    Your video proved that whites can sound racist when defending voter id. It did not prove that blacks think voter id is a great thing.

  154. Are there any blacks in rural America? I mean besides that cut of the Mississippi that still houses Huck Finn? 😛

    Graychin moved out to be diversified and inclusive? Remember? One of my favorite moments was looking the up county demographic of old Graychin’s current residence when he called me a racist and reading number of “African Americans.”

    Zero. 😆 😆

  155. I can still remember Graychin’s response to that inconvenient fact. I haven’t laughed so hard at someone since I caught Graychin stealing his dead mother-in-law’s email to access to the Tulsa World.

    Yeah, but but but but… look at the number of “Native Americans.” 😆 😆 😆

    The name of my home state means “Land of the Red Man” and Graychin wanted to cover by pointing out there were Indians in his county to identify his love and warmth. ** GUFFAW **

    What a dolt that frigid bastard was. There was nobody I loved to insult more than that Sorry SOB.

  156. Ace is the greatest.

    Y’all ignore this at your own peril.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-drivers-license-height-232948

    My fav? Dumbshit Lurker’s preferred media source exposing fake news wherever it lay:

    “Slate, for example, posited that Trump was adding an inch to his height to avoid crossing into obesity territory — he also weighed 236 pounds — on the BMI index. That Slate article pointed to multiple media that pegged Trump as 6-foot-2, including Google, though the search engine now has Trump at 6-foot-3.”

  157. “Are there any blacks in rural America? I mean besides that cut of the Mississippi that still houses Huck Finn?”

    Don’t you love being lectured by guys like G-chin and R abut a culture they imagine but have never experienced, come into contact with, and have absolutely no understanding of? Puke.

  158. Don’t you love being lectured by guys like G-chin and R abut a culture they imagine but have never experienced, come into contact with, and have absolutely no understanding of? Puke.

    Oh ho ho ho fuck you. Unlike you, Tex is not a wannabe brotha. Tex hasn’t lived near blacks in decades (if ever).

    You, on the other hand have indicated you live in a predominantly black neighborhood. Only God knows why. At the rate things are going, I’m living in an Indian neighborhood.

    My 2017 plan is to hire my neighbors into a call center under my management. 😀😀😀

    P.S. Rabbit is right. My comment about rural blacks was an educated guess. I don’t know any rural blacks nor any dirt-po whites neither.

  159. What a dick.

    You’re a dick. Israel has NO business building settlements in Palestine.

    Sadly it looks like Donald is gonna be Bibi’s bitch for the next four years.

  160. Yeah. My profession has me in rural areas too.

    Am I wrong? You loathe the Southerners and have no understanding whatsoever or rural blacks or whites. But you sure as fuck don’t give up the opportunity to appropriate their claim to victimhood — even when it is not claimed by them for themselves. As I said, it is the nature of liberalism’s identity politics and therefore an imperative.

    Now don’t you have some women or transgender to be offended for? 😆

  161. R, I truly believe you are an antisemite. I also truly believe Obama is an antisemite. So your comment doesn’t surprise me.

    You’re welcomed to prove me wrong.

  162. By the way, I am not a “wannabe brotha.” I share a different life experience than you. No biggie. But unlike you, I don’t substitute my imagination for reality to gratify a deluded sense of moral superiority.

  163. You loathe the Southerners

    Wow are you a drama queen today. I don’t “loathe” Southerners. I’m a bit disappointed that the South doesn’t always show they understand they lost the war. It pisses me off that they embrace aspects of southern culture that harken back to the slavery days. But as far as individual people go, Southerners have been very nice to me. So nice in fact that the first time I went to Texas the cynical New Yorker in me wondered what their angle was.

    To this day I get a kick out of having to say “hot tea” when I want tea.

  164. You’re welcomed to prove me wrong.

    You also want me to prove I don’t beat my wife?

    Unlike you, my love for Israel is conditioned on their playing nice. Bellicosity is no more admirable there than anywhere else.

    I also don’t warm up to a Jewish state any more than an Islamic state. I believe in secular agnostic governments.

    And to clarify matters more, just as you rightfully feel not one iota of guilt over slavery, I feel not one iota of guilt over the holocaust. I never killed a Jew nor asked that a Jew be killed nor condoned the killing of any Jew. In FACT I have Jews in my family tree and while I know very little about them I’m guessing they can trace themselves back to someone effected by Hitler.

    Lastly I find Brother Nate offensive and reject his (and Poolman’s) tendency to blame Jews for everything.

    You play the lefts game on Israel Tigre. Critics of Bibi are antisemites just like critics of Obama are racists. 🙄

  165. “Israel has NO business building settlements in Palestine.”

    NO business at all?

    I’m guessing you are ignorant as fuck about how the Jews got the land in the first place. I’m not saying a debate on settlements isn’t legit, I’m saying your uneducated ass ain’t the one to have it with. Go suck Palestinian balls with Berry Sotero. Play MSNBC in the back ground. Pretend you have an opinion.

  166. R, let me put it a little differently. I believe that rural black southerners would like me more than you. You know why? I judge them differently. Your arrogant, ignorant, electric BMW driving ass thinking you speak for rural blacks on any level is offensive. I don’t do that — or at least resist the urges to do it rather than viewing them as a virtue.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m still a cracka. I ain’t a brotha, rural or urban. Your “disappointment” doesn’t mean shit unless you “understand” first you co-opting mofos. I really don’t think the reactions in DR’s vid are far off from what you’d find anywhere.

  167. “You also want me to prove I don’t beat my wife?”

    R, I don’t recall you speaking of Jews in any way other than disparaging. That’s all I’m saying.

  168. “I’m in a liberal twelve step program. Give me time.”

    Turn off the fake news and you’ll knock down eleven of them right off the bat.

    Seriously.

  169. Well, I don’t think Israel has any business building settlements in the West Bank, either, and I really don’t give 2 shits about what any of you thinks of me.

    With that said, I also think what Obama did was a dick move.

  170. “And to clarify matters more, just as you rightfully feel not one iota of guilt over slavery, I feel not one iota of guilt over the holocaust. I never killed a Jew nor asked that a Jew be killed nor condoned the killing of any Jew. In FACT I have Jews in my family tree and while I know very little about them I’m guessing they can trace themselves back to someone effected by Hitler.”

    Nice. Now quit helping to exploit groups and take that approach to women (which you are not), Muslims (which you are not), transgendered (which is questionable), or any other aggrieved group and we’ll all be on our way towards a more harmonious country.

    In the meantime, I’m not asking for you to feel any guilt. I really think you’re anti semitic, not just anti zionist or pro Palestinian.

  171. It’s not like it really matters, anyway. The UNSC only grows hair on its nuts when the entity it is against doesn’t have any hair on its nuts. Just because there is a resolution condemning something, that doesn’t mean there’s going to be a resolution to do something about it.

  172. Pretend you have an opinion.

    You too can fuck yourself for Xmas. I don’t need to be a Middle East FP expert to know Israel’s behavior makes matters harder, not easier. And if you think MSNBC or any lib media is anti-Israel and thereby feeds me my talking points, then you’re not paying attention.

    And last but not least, before you go after my limited experience again, let me remind you that fucking strange women while on military duty in Iceland and monitoring JD’s in some southern prison doesn’t make you the worldly sophisticate. It just means you’ve lived. I’ve been all over Europe and through much of the United States and I know damn well it doesn’t give me expertise. But I know folks who’ve never left the state they were born in so I do have more experience than they do.

    Contrary to your preferred narrative, I haven’t been sitting on the couch watching TV my whole life.

  173. That a dick acted like a dick isn’t the interesting thing about this, in my opinion.

    I am personally a lot more interested in seeing Trump do what people said he couldn’t–engage in diplomacy.

    He communicated with a foreign power and convinced them to do something he wanted them to do.

  174. 28 More Days of the Insufferable Obama. It rolls right off the tongue…it’s good to be alive. 🙂

    Too bad about Carrie Fisher. I can’t imagine a place worse to have a medical emergency than on a long distance flight.

  175. R, you’re just an anti semitic Obama apologist. The fact that you don’t know why it’s a dick move but continue on is proof.

  176. “Too bad about Carrie Fisher. I can’t imagine a place worse to have a medical emergency than on a long distance flight.”

    Roller coaster.

    Sorry. Just playing along here.

  177. I really think you’re anti semitic, not just anti zionist or pro Palestinian.

    Well I’m certainly not pro-Palestinian considering their behavior lobbing explosives into Israel on a regular basis. I view Israel/Palestine as two parties who really don’t WANT to get along. I don’t believe either wants peace.

    I can’t PROVE to you that I’m not antisemitic. I grew up on Long Island and most of my high school friends were Jewish. I haven’t attended a single baptism but I’ve attended a couple of Bar Mitsvahs. The college love of my life was Jewish. I’m pretty consistent. I find Orthodox Jews as puzzling as devout Christians. I don’t accept that a Jewish State was the best post war prescription but with a hat tip to our FP expert, Rabbit, I don’t know enough to suggest a good alternative.

    Putting aside my increasing misanthropy, I like Jewish folks as much as I like anyone else. Believe what you wish.

  178. “He communicated with a foreign power and convinced them to do something he wanted them to do.”

    And to further that…who he convinced to do what he convinced them to do isn’t some small potatoes. I’m really curious as to the contents of that discussion.

  179. So let’s get beyond the personal attacks and address the AP article. How do YOU know it ain’t fake news? Lots of anonymous sources which is suspect right off the bat.

    The article suggests our approach to the UN resolution is consistent with what we’ve told Israel for years. When we have only one potus at a time, why is Trump’s intervention not a dick move?

    As for the future and Huck’s comment, I’m also curious if Trump can bring a fresh approach to the region. But as I said earlier you can’t bring folks who WANT to keep fighting to the peace table. There has to be a willing partner.

  180. Oh, Trump’s move was a dick move, too. But it’s an order thing.

    Trump got Egypt to pull it. So it was pulled. Then Obama moves it forward by just getting someone else to run it. It’s almost as if he was behind Egypt submitting it (which just occurred to me) in the first place.

    And then he doesn’t even have the balls to vote “yes” on it.

    “The article suggests our approach to the UN resolution is consistent with what we’ve told Israel for years.”

    It’s what several administrations have TOLD Israel for years. But we have also vetoed similar UNSC resolutions once they were written on paper and formalized. The last veto on this very issue came from Susan Rice in 2011.

    What is the difference between 2011 and 2016 as it applies to Barack Obama?

    This was a dick move.

  181. “I also don’t warm up to a Jewish state any more than an Islamic state. I believe in secular agnostic governments.”

    Iran?

  182. Another bit of news that has me troubled. Caveat: I’m no expert on this either.

    Apparently we are on “hair trigger alert” with our nukes to ensure a speedy reaction to a nuclear attack. There is an effort afoot to get Obama to take us off hair trigger to make it harder for Trump to launch the missiles.

    I think this, if true, is a big mistake. If you don’t want the guy controlling the nuclear arsenal, you don’t elect him. If you DO elect him, you don’t tie his hands militarily.

    Just having a new president will tempt our enemies to test us. Now is not the time to neuter the president.

  183. What is the difference between 2011 and 2016 as it applies to Barack Obama?

    Probably proving your point, maybe Barack is tired of Bibi’s shit and lame duck that he is, he added this diss to his “fuck it” list?

    Like I said, probably supports your and Tigre’s point that it was a dick move.

  184. This is some candy-ass shit….

    Almost immediately after Samantha Power raised her hand to abstain, which you know she was told to do by Barack Obama, she said these words, which you know she was told to say by Barack Obama:

    If you’re going to be a dick, then fucking own it. Puff up your chest, look everyone in the face and tell them all “yeah, so what, do something about it.” Obama didn’t have the balls to tell Israel what he wanted to tell them in 2011, he didn’t have the balls to tell Israel what he wanted to tell them today, and even afterward he didn’t have the balls to tell everyone else to fucking deal with it.

    I cannot believe this pussy was ever the leader of the free world.

  185. This wishy-washy shit is dangerous. The message needs to be strong and consistent. Everyone should know what your positions are and there should be no surprises or contradictions in that message. The presence of either leads people to have to assume and guess and that can cause dangerous instability if and when they guess wrong.

  186. I don’t get the question. Which part?

    Everything that came from anonymous sources and the whole notion BO was in cahoots with Palestine story line.

    I view US-Israel relations stories through the prism of Bibi hating Obama’s guts. I don’t doubt the feeling is mutual.

    As for your Iran question, was that rhetorical? When have I ever been a fan of Iran?

  187. “As for your Iran question, was that rhetorical? When have I ever been a fan of Iran?”

    When you were defending Obama’s deal with it.

    But your comment was “warm up” not “fan.” ( “I also don’t warm up to a Jewish state any more than an Islamic state. I believe in secular agnostic governments.”).

  188. I will say this. Who has a better chance at successful FP, a community organizer or an international businessman?

    I’m not counting Trump out yet nor will I defend Obama’s FP record.

  189. “Everything that came from anonymous sources and the whole notion BO was in cahoots with Palestine story line.”

    I guess I wasn’t focused on whatever you were. Though I think it’s laughable that the AP would create fake news to create an unflattering assessment of its hero Obama, I guess it could be fake news. Maybe the Rooskies are behind it.

  190. “I will say this. Who has a better chance at successful FP, a community organizer or an international businessman?”

    Barack Obama hasn’t set a very high bar on foreign policy matters.

  191. “I’m not counting Trump out yet nor will I defend Obama’s FP record.”

    Obama’s FP record is truly indefensible.

  192. “I also don’t warm up to a Jewish state any more than an Islamic state. I believe in secular agnostic governments.”

    Israel has a huge gay community. Muslims throw them off da roof. But you don’t warm up to either. Me don’t get liberals.

  193. Funny thing is, outside of suspected in the closet homos and a few dykes, I’ve only really known one gay person my entire life: My dental hygienist.

    I will have you all know he is a huge fan of my taste in footwear.

  194. I’m neighbor friends (who just moved away today) with two lesbians, both with children from previous marriages which makes it even more confusing, and I will miss them. We had many a long dog conversations and discussions about grand kids.

    To this day, they have no idea about how I feel “their marriage” is a farce. Rutherford doesn’t know this, but I can actually be friendly to people I disagree with politically, professionally, and even spiritually.

    Hassan the Druze and sandwich maker and I have been friends for years and I find him more moral than I do most so called “religious” Americans.

  195. Barack Obama hasn’t set a very high bar on foreign policy matters.

    That isn’t true. No one will match his record for bowing and apologizing for at least a hundred years.

    but I can actually be friendly to people I disagree with politically, professionally, and even spiritually.

    It’s all fun and games until they start caressing my ass, or start screaming “Allahu Snackbar!” before shooting the place up or detonating their suicide vest.

  196. I don’t feel like looking up Samantha Power’s full statement but based on the one minute Huck posted, it is pretty wishy-washy to abstain after blasting the UN for being unfair to Israel.

  197. Not to offer Power any support per se nor to win one last ObamaPail™ I have a different perspective of Powers UN farewell act.
    Israel has had an adequate ally in Powers & Obama @ the UN.The simple truth that for a long time the UN has absolutely hated and stacked a lot of force against Israel shows that. Quite simply there are two nations and only two that have consistently viewed Israel as acting legally,legitimately and appropriately.The USA & Israel!
    Powers statement gels quite well with her guiding principles which saw her be one of the architects of the R2P concept. (Responsibility to Protect).
    I think it was very easy and important for her to call out Syria and Sudan as seen in Hucks embed and I’d buy those were her words and not Obama’s. One could easily take her position equally or more so as a slap at the UN’s and UNHRC’s absolute pathetic state of hypocrisy and worthlessness.Again we’re seeing her passions being offended here not BHO’s.
    I only would add that a principled NAY would’ve been more appropriate and fitting over an abstention.
    As for her being wishy washy and getting people killed…. errr I think that just doesn’t fit. Let’s see how Trumps pro-Zionist lunatic ambassador and keepers work out before we lay claim that any Presidents policy is leading to lives ending.

    Anyway. Merry Christmas to you all and may 2017 be a great year for all of you,all of us.

  198. I wasn’t making a prediction I was mentioning the past. We don’t have to wait and see if Obama’s wishy-washy FP will get people killed. The bodies are already stacked high. After 8 years of Obama, I’m not sure how you can even get your fingers to type something like “let’s wait and see what Trump does”. We can shit on him next month. The idiot Obama is still the president.

  199. Lions are playing the Cowboys on Monday night. Cowboys have clinched. So…I don’t expect non stop starters.

    Then, the Lions have the Packers. This could be for the division. I think if they lose, they still have a wild card because of Tampa’s loss to NO. I think.

  200. I was interested in the prospect of a Raiders/Cowboys Super Bowl, but Derek Carr broke his leg today, so that’s not happening.

  201. As for her being wishy washy and getting people killed

    I’m not sure whose comment you’re referencing. I say wishy-washy because the vote didn’t match the rhetoric. I don’t recall talking about anyone getting killed.

  202. So, even though the holiday well steeped in pagan tradition and symbolism with the sami and the reindeer enjoying red and white magic mushrooms naturally found growing under pine trees, it still is passed off as a Christian holiday. Most scholars agree Jesus probably was born in a warmer part of the year as told in the gospels the sheep and shepherds were still in the fields. Some say 9/11, which is reason that date has become so significant to the antichrists. I have also heard April. No matter, really. Everyday can be Christmas when you understand the real purpose. Besides, birthdays were not celebrated in the ‘old world’ like they are today.

    Here’s a gift for Rutherford and Just A Lurker. Merry Christmas! 🙂

    I’m a secular/agnostic Californian … I want to share with you, from the liberal bastion of Northern California, that I am officially tired of the type of people who have surrounded me my entire life. In the wake of Trump’s election, I am experiencing “tribe fatigue.” I’m not tired of The Other, Detestable Tribe. I’m tired of my own.
    […]
    So I was raised a secular liberal. My college professors were secular liberals. During my journalism phase, my newspaper colleagues were secular liberals. My law school professors and peers were – in the vast majority – secular liberals. Almost everyone at my corporate law firm was a secular liberal. My California neighbors and friends are secular liberals, as are my colleagues. My mother, siblings, and their spouses are all secular liberals.

    By all rights, I should be a member in good standing of their tribe, “liking” their Facebook posts and joining their candlelight vigils against the evil Trump Administration. But November 8 and its aftermath revealed to me that I am just so tired of these people. I can’t be like them, and I don’t want my kids turning into them.

    http://henrymakow.com/2016/12/liberals-fed-up-with-liberals.html

  203. “Enjoy this coffee table book as my gift…”

    So fucking stupid. If you can’t answer all of the laugh-out-loud imponderables for yourself and are over the age of 6, you’re retarded.

    Poolman, you’re retarded.

  204. Poolman’s secular liberal well expressed my current frustration with my tribe. Where she and I depart is I’m not joining the Christian tribe in response.

    Sadly she didn’t get the lesson right. The answer is to resist membership in ANY tribe and do ones best to walk alone. Tribes, for the most part, are toxic.

    Merry Christmas. 🎅🎅🎅

  205. I’m going on 5 weeks of being ill thanks to my Humira shot. My autoimmune has dipped from too high to too low. 3 waves of fevers. Constant colds, flu. Lost 15 pounds.

    Now I’m on steroids. I just don’t have health, fellahs.

  206. Neither do I Rabbit. Have probably never felt worse. You’re a pretty sturdy looking guy. You sure don’t look like someone who easily gets his ass kicked by illness.

    That damn Humira TV ad scares the shit out of me. But then so do most of the pharma ads. Did your doctor prescribe it on his own or did you “ask your doctor if Humira is right for you”?

  207. R, Humira has been an absolute wonder drug for me. Unfortunately, you really aren’t supposed to take it if you deal with large, concentrated groups of people. Between working in high school, facilitating trips to country jail and coaching youth wrestling….I don’t think I can take the injections in the winter.

  208. Sucks that you are feeling like shit, R. Ironic that it is I who have joined you in sick bay after all the crap I talk.

  209. It’s weird how much health effects one’s personality. I’m usually expected to be a talker/jokester. When the health ain’t there…I just can’t be social.

    Lord, deliver me from this current den of in-laws.

  210. Lord, deliver me from this current den of in-laws.

    ** GUFFAW **

    Strangest Christmas I’ve ever been a party to. 67 degrees, thunderstorms, too much family to go to Church, didn’t go to Mass with my wife and daughter, other daughter and grand baby aren’t here but at the in-laws house in Texas. My wife stayed at mom’s house and I fed the dogs after dark, we didn’t eat Christmas “lunch” until 4:30 which is now five days in a row I have stuffed myself – I feel constipated. 😐

    If it wasn’t for the wrapper paper and the crap I have to put up or find a place to hide, it wouldn’t even feel like Christmas.

    You guys are complaining about health and I got a stent in my left anterior descending artery.

    THE ROOM IS FALLING APART! But here’s the good news. 25 more days of Bongo and his Gorilla. 😈 Life is good.

  211. Poolman I can only guess at your point in posting the Aleppo video but I will say the “news” does an inadequate job of portraying every day life in these places.

    A college friend of mine who moved to Iraq posted about a film she saw at the movie theater. I actually did a double take because I didn’t think of Iraqis going about their mundane daily business. All I ever saw was conflict. Never occurred to me there are folks in these places just living ordinary lives.

  212. 25 days seems like a fucking eternity. A lot of time to create more hostility and do more damage. Signature Obama moves.

    68 degrees, no in-laws for me. It really doesn’t feel like x-mas here either.

    Brothers in-laws won’t visit them because of the election. Got that? Still pouting.

    And I have to have “the talk” with my kids. They gotta shut about politics and how their parents voted because it’s unsafe. In some circles you better shut up about “x-mas” and religious beliefs too. Fortunately most of the black community down here are regular church going baptists or were raised that way. The kwanzaa hoax isn’t taken seriously by anyone (other than white liberals). Glad that separatist bullshit is no longer relevant.

    Bah Humbug.

  213. “Tex things can always get worse and with Trump there’s a 50/50 chance they will.”

    If so, what do you predict it would be? Serious question.

  214. Poolman I can only guess at your point in posting the Aleppo video but I will say the “news” does an inadequate job of portraying every day life in these places.

    Of course it does. That is no longer its purpose. Because western media is all propaganda all the time. You cannot hold the masses in control if you can’t control the message the masses get. It is a simple concept and of utmost concern. It is television programming.

    It starts with the young ones.

  215. I am a total wait and see on trump. The character has been on the scene for my lifetime and the simpsons predicts him totally bankrupting this country. It is hard to imagine a great future with donald.

  216. He has turned out to be quite a fail from a people’s better interest perspective. I cannot see the trump character reestablishing any liberties taken. He is not in any way going outside of the established mob for his talent.

  217. Scott Pruitt.

    Let’s see his SCOTUS pick(s).

    Anyone other than Lynch or some other corrupt DOJ head?

    Since removing liberties for political power is the only Obama/Dem objective, any change is better. Putting the brakes on expansive and unchecked agency control of policy is better.

    A bowl of fried cheese sticks is better.

  218. We had a good Christmas. Our weather was almost unique for the holiday. Our morning began with four inches of snow cover at home with none in Omaha. Thunderstorms and fog melted the snow, but lightning and gusty wind caused power outages.

    60-70 MPH wind gusts blew down houses and over turned trucks. This was the warm side of the storm which caused the blizzard over the Dakotas.

  219. “You guys are complaining about health and I got a stent in my left anterior descending artery.”

    Lol….We…Uh…..Forgot about that. Besides…When Rabbit is in poor health, it just feels so much more important to Rabbit.

  220. Obama is an anti- white bigot, and his people are anti -semitic socialists. Nothing I see from Trump has matched the evil emenating from the Obama White House.

    Some have said Republicans should take the high road and restore some Congressional checks and balances Democrats removed. I hope they keep what the Democrats created and use the rules to irradicate the legacy the way a farmer destroys weeds in a bean field.

  221. Poolman is evidence of this reality you speak of.

    Sorry, too healthy to exist on that fuzzy-eared dreamship. I’ve only experienced illness one time in 2016 and it only lasted a few days. Besides, his reality is spinning through the ether at ungodly speeds.

  222. 37 degrees this morning. Rather chilly. But the sun is up and traveling in its circuit heading back toward the north pole. Time to get dressed and ready myself for a trail hike. Mrs poolman and I are meeting the daughters and grandkids at a local mountain park.

  223. I am setting records for weird all over the place this Christmas.

    Dinner at my in-laws was really nice. I was taking pictures because my sister-in-law in Michigan wanted to see pics of her parents opening gifts. She started asking where I was, and demanded a pic of me. I had my wife take that pic! Ha!

    Then I came home alone to an empty house.

    My wife showed up with the kids at 9 am, and the rest of the day felt “normal” until after dinner. She was disappointed when the boys wanted to stay over night. But then she stayed and she and I watched a movie. Then she left at 11.

    There are currently some serious LEGOs on my kitchen table and in the living room.

    For it being the last Christmas in this house, it was pretty ok.

  224. Best to ya, BiC. I can tell you feel like you’ve stepped through the looking glass. I’ve experienced that feeling of “weirdness” at holiday time, for different reasons but weird nonetheless. Holidays sure do exaggerate that unsettling feeling. I’m pretty sure that once the old predictable “normal” returns (whatever that is), you’ll have a deeper appreciation for the constants (whatever those are). Keep your chin up, Brah.

  225. What if our existence is Rabbit’s bad dream with a hangover.

    Reminds me of a classic Twilight Zone episode where a death row Dennis Weaver warns everyone that they are in his dream and if he dies, they all die with him.

  226. Some real life wisdom from Tigre. It’s amazing how we “look forward” to the holidays, half the time dreading the execution of them. Give me the “constants” any day.

  227. For the love of all that is sacred and holy, will the MSM please STOP TURNING DONALD’s DUMBASS TWEETS INTO POLICY STATEMENTS!!!!!

    Arrrrrrrgh 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

  228. LOL. Obama is like the Kanye West of presidents.

    “I am confident in this vision because I’m confident that if I had run again and articulated it, I think I could’ve mobilized a majority of the American people to rally behind it,” Mr. Obama said, CNN reported Monday. “I know that in conversations that I’ve had with people around the country, even some people who disagreed with me, they would say the vision, the direction that you point towards is the right one.”

    What a douche.

  229. Damn…is Trump is in his head or what.

    Big douche.

    Of course…Trump comes swinging right back on Twitter. Odd times.

  230. If so, what do you predict it would be? Serious question.

    Are you asking if I think things will get worse? The 50/50 indicates I don’t know. I’m currently wearing a neck brace from the whiplash Trump is giving me. One day, I’m saying “finally a president who will truly challenge assumptions and norms and introduce new ideas” and then the next “holy shit, this guy is winging it with the most powerful country on the planet. We are soooo screwed!”

    If you’re wondering how it could get worse, I’ll hit that in another comment.

  231. Star Wars: Rogue One kicks some major ass. Must be seen on the big screen. I even ponied up extra for 3D and DBOX seats. I can’t say it was worth the extra for that, but it was a nice added touch.

  232. “I don’t see why that comment makes him a douche.”

    You didn’t read that and think it was weird, almost teasing nonsensical?

  233. While I like the Star Wars movies well enough, one of my primary complaints is that they over-story things. You have to watch it multiple times just to absorb all of the details enough to be able to keep up and be ready for the next movie.

    That’s not the case with this one. It’s got a lot of action and gets right to the story, which is told at a really nice pace. Not a lot of time devoted to character development, because there isn’t a lot of character development needed.

    I enjoyed this one very much.

  234. Yeah, I liked Rogue One too. They indulged the nerd in me while keeping it action packed. Loved how there was an estranged radical movement within the rebellion as well.

    I will say this. It pissed me off how easy they blew up the all new “superduper” Death Star in Part 7, last year. After all the sacrifice of getting to the original one, the superduper one built by the not quite established neo-Vadorphile Empire seems silly.

  235. “If you’re wondering how it could get worse, I’ll hit that in another comment.”
    Yeah. What specifically.

    This deserves more time than I want to give to it so I’ll summarize. And I’ll try to stay true to your assessment of what a good outcome is.

    Domestic: Let’s assume the Obama domestic direction was bad. I worry about an over correction. Brutal police action against legit peaceful protest with an unsympathetic AG at the helm. Surveillance and detention needing a lower bar – particularly against Muslim American citizens. No attempt to calm jittery liberal nerves, resulting in crockpots acting out – up to and including assassination. A poorly executed discontinuation of Obamacare that leaves people in the lurch.

    Foreign policy: an unwillingness to take the advice of smarter advisors. Overconfidence in dealing with Putin, China and Kim Jong Un all of whom may play him for a sucker. With regard to the last one, how does Trump respond to a nuclear threat from North Korea and more generally can Trump even handle a variation on the Cuban Missile Crisis? Do Trumps global business dealings, not all of which have been disclosed to the public, make him somehow vulnerable (extortion)?

    That’s just the more reasonable concerns that are floating among the pundits. I haven’t even touched the more outlandish worries that every building in the world with Trump emblazoned on it becomes a terrorist target effective noon on January 20.

  236. Let’s not forget all the pussy grabbing. 😂

    My fav is not pandering to the hysterical lefties that might try and assassinate him.

    I’ll wait for your more resoned response.

  237. Typical Center Square reply. I’ll ignore the pussy grabbing.

    As for the assassination issue, I don’t think our country has been this divided since the 1960’s, a decade known for its violence. The left media is instigating panic. We’ve got folks calling themselves “the resistance” like it’s fucking Dickensian France or something. You asked how it could get worse. The powder keg blowing up is one way.

    Now, try addressing the other points which were all in the realm of possibility.

  238. Perhaps Rabbit and for that matter they may be exaggerating “the resistance”.

    I still want to see Tigre shoot down the other stuff, one by one, instead of a silly pussy grabbing retort.

  239. Generally, you’re arguments that a change in the Obama status quo, which sucks balls, is doing worse.

    “Let’s assume the Obama domestic direction was bad.”

    No assumption needed. By every metric it’s bad.

    “I worry about an over correction. Brutal police action against legit peaceful protest with an unsympathetic AG at the helm.”

    Mighty vague. We’ve already seen brutal police action, it’s just been against, you know, the police. But what are you fantasizing about and why? Martial law? I don’t even know what you mean by unsympathetic AG. Sessions? Puleeze. Point me to something and what the action looks like. You could say he might instigate the next holocaust too. But is there some policy, position, or example of what you’re talking about or is just character assassination?

    “Surveillance and detention needing a lower bar – particularly against Muslim American citizens.”

    When it comes to surveillance, there is no lower bar. Detention or deportation? You’d have to view neither as preferable, and it requires indictment of congress. It was Obama’s failure to execute existing laws that was done unilaterally, not execution of non existent laws which I assume you are seeing as the risk. Am I right?

    “No attempt to calm jittery liberal nerves, resulting in crockpots acting out – up to and including assassination.”

    I guess the same could’ve been said of Lincoln. Ironically though, it was all the racists that were going to assassinate Obama. The threat always exists, and if “pandering” to your political opponents is the solution, you can’t do worse than Obama who labeled conservatives “the enemy” and fueled angry backlash at every step.

    “A poorly executed discontinuation of Obamacare that leaves people in the lurch.”

    News flash: Obamacare is collapsing under it’s own weight. Even Hillary admits that. Can;t do worse than implosion.

    “An unwillingness to take the advice of smarter advisors.”

    Apparently you are unfamiliar with Obama’s track record on heeding “the experts” advice. Let’s all give thanks for that red line again. Pulling out as he did in Iraq anyone? Was Hillary one of Obama’s “smarter advisors?” Any idea how many executive actions have been successfully challenged in court? I’ll go with your premise here though and say the solution is for Trump to surround himself with dumber advisors. Problem solved.

    “Overconfidence in dealing with Putin, China and Kim Jong Un all of whom may play him for a sucker.”

    LOL. Obama’s proved to be the biggest sucker in the candy shop. Not possible to get in more licks with Trump. KIm Jong Un? Since ignoring him was the Obama policy, what are you suggesting by way of “overconfidence?”

    “With regard to the last one, how does Trump respond to a nuclear threat from North Korea and more generally can Trump even handle a variation on the Cuban Missile Crisis?”

    I don’t get it. How has it been handled so far? If you’re talking about an attack on the US soil, they’ll need delivery systems that we haven’t seen yet. Is Cuba a nuclear threat? How would his response differ from what you think it should be and why?

    “Do Trumps global business dealings, not all of which have been disclosed to the public, make him somehow vulnerable (extortion)?”

    Maybe. How could it be worse than the Hillary email scandals, pallets of cash for prisoner exchanges, Obama’s direct email exchanges on Hillary’s secret server that he denied and God knows what else. His secretary of state was making classified info available to our enemies and it was tolerated. Got me a specifics about Trump’s “business dealings” resulting in blackmail here?

  240. “I still want to see Tigre shoot down the other stuff, one by one, instead of a silly pussy grabbing retort.”

    Rutherford, you haven’t said anything. It’s like having you ask me to knock down Dr. Strangelove.

  241. Domestic: Let’s assume the Obama domestic direction was bad.
    Let’s not assume but instead agree that it was. At it’s base Keynesian economics and a mix of finger crossing and then finger pointing when it shockingly all failed. O built that while all along fostering the growth of corporatism that was actively afforded the freedom from accountability
    I worry about an over correction.
    I don’t understand. A correction to continuation of corporate capitalism?
    Brutal police action against legit peaceful protest with an unsympathetic AG at the helm.
    This isn’t going to happen unless you dramatically redefine “legit peaceful protest”,and keep your eyes shut when you do it. See the DAPL stuff for an example
    Surveillance and detention needing a lower bar – particularly against Muslim American citizens.
    I was telling the libtards @ my Christmas hell that the social media sham-angle of “fake news” is going to breed epic Big Data scouring that doesn’t require a warrant. It’s coming not because of Trump but the whinging liberals.
    No attempt to calm jittery liberal nerves, resulting in crockpots acting out – up to and including assassination.
    No! First off the loyal opposition is neither,second they quite simply don’t have the ability.
    A poorly executed discontinuation of Obamacare that leaves people in the lurch.
    What fucking planet are you on? The Lurch? People are getting hung out to dry and that is without the coming reckoning of Medicaid bills transferring to the inevitable state only cycle.

  242. Rutherford, you haven’t said anything. It’s like having you ask me to knock down Dr. Strangelove.

    LOL You write this AFTER answering my other stuff, one by one. You’re too much.

  243. I don’t think our country has been this divided since the 1960’s, a decade known for its violence.

    The irony being that much of it is either fostered or fomented by the first “President of color” (unless you count Billy Jeff), as he wagged his finger at us about “civility” while spewing “I won.”, “Elections have consequences”, “I have no idea what happened, but the police acted stupidly”, and comparing Republicans to hostage-taking terrorists while HE barred access to open air monuments when Congress wouldn’t hand him another blank check.

    A lifetime of working for the Onion couldn’t lead me to imagine such irony.

  244. Rabbit, just saw an Humira ad. You’ve got Crohns? That is way fucked up. I’ve got IBS but I control it mainly through diet. IBS unlike IBD has no real medical treatment.

  245. Princess Leia is dead at 60. 4 days left to the year. Which celeb is next? They’re dropping like flies.

    2016 may go down as one of the worst years for celebrity deaths in recent memory.

  246. Ooooohhhh. . . buuuurrrrrrrnnnn!!!!!! 😆

    Wait. In the Obama cult labels everyone a racist that disagrees with him.

    Oh well. I know Obama’s glad you’re looking out for him.

  247. Obama’s racism is supported by circumstance, and he is also anti- Semetic. This is of course speculative but his socialism is closer to fact.

    In what way is Bibi a racist? We know he hates the Palistinians who want to kill Jews, but that is good sense. What other non-enemies of a different race does Bibi hate?

  248. The Obama administration is pro Palestinian. Obama lives and breathes the anti colonialist, anti Zionist, frothy anger of academia.

    I get it. You read Things Fall Apart and (rightfully) weep for Okonkwo. You move on to Edward Said and see it all maaaan. A screening of the classic Battle of Algiers even makes you feel for the terrorists. Look over to Israel, look over to 1980’s South Africa. Look back at Israel. And you are on the “good” fight train for life.

    Except there is one problem. These Palestinians want to drive the Jews into the sea. Repeat. They want to drive the Jews into the sea. They will never stop. Ever. The entire reason Israel has this land is because they are attacked incessantly.

    Get to know the Paletinians outside the campus. They will tell you the truth.

    Let me take that back. Palestinian, my ass. They are Arabs. They could have joined Jordan, but Jordan decided to slaughter them. Saddam Hussein decided to slaughter them. Usefull tools, stripped Phillips screwdrivers, often get treated that way.

    The Arab states never want it solved, anyway. Palestinian Arabs exist to prop a great release valve for their shitty societies to vent on: Evil Israel. Evil Israel, the Oasis of freedom and civilization amongst a post apocalyptic, barbaric wasteland of shit.

    I do feel sorry for the Arabs of the Holy Land. I am aware of a history that wasn’t always like this. Muslims honor bound to protect churchs etc. Those days are gone. Just has I feel sorry for every other dysfunctional and debased family in America, what I don’t do is give them permission to BBQ on my deck. Or ensure it’s easier to access my house. Because my family comes first and I live in a real and brutal world.

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