Fake News

Worries about “fake news” are all the rage right now. It’s gotten elevated attention lately due to “pizzagate” culminating in some nutjob firing a semi in a Washington DC pizzeria. Pizzagate, for the uninitiated, is a false conspiracy theory stating that Hillary Clinton was running a child trafficking operation out of the basement of a popular DC pizzeria. (From what I’ve heard, said pizzeria has no basement.)

What is striking to me is that no one in the MSM is fessing up to where fake news finds its roots.

“News”: Barack Obama disparages the white working class of America by saying “you didn’t build that”.

“News”: Hillary Clinton tells Pat Smith that her son died because of an offensive video.

“News”: Michael Brown is savagely gunned down by racist Ferguson cop.

“News”: Donald Trump says Mexicans are rapists.

“News”: Trump attacks gold star mother.

“News”: Countless other stories about Donald Trump.

The pattern is clear. Over the past eight years (at least), the MSM has been feeding us incendiary pop fluff (sometimes outright lies) for profit. The boundary between straight news (which utilizes FACTS, not hearsay and innuendo) and opinion/propaganda has become incredibly fuzzy. Thirty years ago you could not tune into a network like MSNBC or Fox News Channel and get four hours of propaganda on a nightly basis.

It was only a matter of time before someone caught onto the idea of pulling stories straight out of his ass and publishing them as news to a public hungry to satisfy confirmation bias. The only shame is how our “legitimate” news sources lack the introspection to realize how they contributed to the current mess.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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488 thoughts on “Fake News

  1. From the prior thread:

    If “you” reject my moral code, “you” as a people should not have sent me where you did and abandoned me before it was over.

    James this sounds like an inversion of Muhammad Ali’s statement that he didn’t want to go to Vietnam because “no Vietnamese ever called me a ni**er”. In other words, the USA lacked the moral authority to send him to kill foreigners. You seem to be saying the USA lacked the moral authority to deserve your respect upon your return here from the war.

  2. The MSM is no better than any of the click bait shitbags they often allow on their own sites for $. If they want me to be impressed by their pleas over “fake news” they better clean themselves up first.
    All in all though fake news that floats around the less legitimate sources is pretty clearly dog shit to anyone who wants to know the truth.

  3. I’m a big James fan, but James is full of shit on this one. He claims his actions are outside of us normal earthlings’ moral code but then goes on to claim some sort of damage or victimhood that, by definition, is giving himself moral leeway to bomb the drive way.

    I say fuck it. Just own it. He bombed the driveway. I’ve been violent before too. Either ask the Lord for forgiveness or don’t.

    My Dad beat me on a weekly basis, growing up. Now I go golfing with him a couple times a year and play on his old man softball team for the parish. Nor do I beat my own kids. (Although I sure like to put them in controled situations where they have to scrap!)

    I hate to sound like I’m taking the high road or being pretentious. Accepting the Lord every now and then (even if fleeting) can help you come to terms and move the fuck on. I’m talking as a victim…which then stops one from doing asshole stuff.

    James knows the country loves him for his service. He was a celebrity last month.

  4. James mentioned an interesting subject on the previous thread that I too heard of but haven’t visited yet.

    Something about the Left and Higher Education (generally one and the same minus the occasional Huck type you get lucky enough to get) and them getting the vapors over this radical professor list?

    Beautiful…

    Finally, finally, finally the Right is taking Tex’s advice along with about 50M others like me telling the Republicans to hit back twice as hard. Whether it be Trump’s election or simply and finally understanding the Right has one foot in the grave, people are wising up to fight the corrupt MSM and these radicals presiding over the classrooms.

    P.S. Since my education was STEM plus MBA, only once did I have to deal with these Leftist assholes in college. Make that twice.

    Bioethics which was a fun class because it was completely debate and write papers which I not only took on most of the class, but the FU professor too, and…

    Evolution – understandable. That professor hated my guts and still had to give me an ‘A’ because I practically aced his tests. That was a total joy and I know to this day still sticks to his fat gut.

  5. Thanks to those with the kind comments.

    I was not claiming outside influenced victim hood. I was claiming education. My experience taught me to see the world as it is. I am a survivor, not a victim, who sees the world in a different way from before.

    My compass is askew, but we have a bridge we badly needed after the DOT purposely let it deteriorate for almost twenty years because they thought a small band of farmers and townspeople could not beat them.

    Several grad school students who didn’t like Vietnam Era veterans decided to deny me an assigned book on library reserve. After some got the information, one kept the book hidden in his apartment.

    A friend told me who had it and my wife and I refused to leave until he gave me the book the night before our assignment. He denied he had the book, but I told him he had it and if he wanted to be rid of my wife and me, he would have to call the police. Our presence made it impossible to give the book to the next person in the plot as planned.

    We got the book at 2AM and I used it until the next morning. Those who had access to the book earned A’s. The rest got B’s. Had I not taken the book and held it, I would not have had the A, and the small clique of students would not have left me alone after that. They had done what they could to sabatage me, and I won.
    The bridge and A were worth my moral torpitutude.

    I can feel an affinity to Mohammad Alli.

    No one outside made me do anything. My free will directed my actions. I am not blaming anyone. I am acknowledging the education some gave me.

    I learned that morality is fluid and adapted to varied circumstances. Morality in one instance is commendable while in another, it is the inverse of acceptability. For example, murder is a mortal sin until it is heroic.

    Mad Max is just a movie, and I would never compare myself to the Mel Gibson character, but the film does raise some questions of situational ethics and morality. I am sane enough to agree with you all that we cannot all live by our individual concepts of morality. To do so is a form of narcicism.

    I don’t know that the country loves me as rabbit noted. Yes, I was a celebrety last month, and the feeling was as good as when passengers on an air plane gave me a standing ovation as I returned to the US. I was not a man anyone knew. I was a politically correct concept which could easily morph into something else as it once did.

    I am kind and generous to people. Most think I am a nice man. I don’t, nor have I ever drunk to excess or done drugs. I have learned to direct the outcome of bad dreams, and I am usually happy.

    A Vet Center counselor told I was one of the most disturbing people he had met. My emotions were hidden and talking to me was like skipping a stone on water.

    It works for me. Thank heavens few people are like me.

  6. I agree with you Rutherford. Fake news has been with us periodically for generations.

    William Henry Harrison, for example ran a campaign, based in part on the non existant log cabin he had lived in as a youth. It began as a fake story intended to make Harrison to look like a rustic rube. His campaign twisted the story to portray him as a man of the people.

    The only solution I can see is to read widely from various sources and rely on intuition.

  7. “News”: Barack Obama disparages the white working class of America by saying “you didn’t build that”.

    I thought the comment spoke for itself and was sufficiently offensive to small business owners — not the “white working class.”

    “News”: Hillary Clinton tells Pat Smith that her son died because of an offensive video.”

    Didn’t Pat Smith herself say that was what was said, and is consistent with what other said, and the actions of the administration itself?

    This too is “fake?” Like Ferguson fake? Pizzagate fake?

  8. James, I don’t get the firebomb thing. You burned the bridge to get a new one, or you burned molotov cocktailed someone’s property to send a message like a burning cross? What gives?

  9. They have this down to a science. Slopping hogs at feeding time. ‘Fake News’ is the latest concoction the mainstream media came up with to keep people from doing any of their own thinking. If it isn’t government certified or a part of their organization, it must be fake. The effective broad brush. This is another trigger word like conspiracy theorist or truther. It stops the thinking process in its tracks. Lately they are making desperate attempts at discrediting their discreditors. It is just another attack on first amendment rights.

    Programming has its purpose. The message MUST be controlled. We all were brought up to believe news was the reporting of real events as fact told us by respectable and mostly unbiased teevee actors. We were persuaded to trust them like a friend. We allowed them to teach us about our world and educate us while we did life.

    Truth is it was always a sales job. They speak for others and from a script. The news media was quickly infiltrated by government. We invited them into our homes and around the dinner table. Sweet set up until the internet. The problem for control today is so many people can be their own investigative journalist. That threatens the message and exposes many of the lies put forward by the control jockeys. They are actively shutting down internet sites.

  10. James knows the country loves him for his service. He was a celebrity last month.

    Damn right. We’ve discussed this before and even James admitted he gets a MUCH better reception now than he did 40 years ago.

    You know, Rabbit, I listen to a podcast by comedian Marc Maron called WTF and he was interviewing Dana Carvey who was talking about how hard his dad was on him – and how he made a conscious choice not to treat his kids that way.

    I’m not sure fathers understand how even the smallest slights stick for years. My dads been gone almost three years and I still can’t watch baseball without remembering how he gave me the cold shoulder whenever he watched sports on tv. It’s about the only thing I still hold against him to this day.

  11. William Henry Harrison, for example ran a campaign, based in part on the non existant log cabin he had lived in as a youth.

    Great reference James. I think I heard that story on a great podcast I subscribe to called “Whistle Stop”, about presidential campaigns.

  12. Tigre, “you didn’t build that” was directed at those who deny the role of SOCIETY and government in their success. It was never meant to disparage small business owners. It only disparaged arrogant assholes who think they owe their success to no one but themselves.

    The Pat Smith thing is a case of she said/she said. Either Pat is mistaken or Hillary is and we will never know the truth about it. (I think Hillary is a serial liar so I tend to believe Mrs. Smith but that doesn’t mean I’m right.)

  13. “Tigre, “you didn’t build that” was directed at those who deny the role of SOCIETY and government in their success. It was never meant to disparage small business owners. It only disparaged arrogant assholes who think they owe their success to no one but themselves.”

    I understand fully what he was saying. I think you miss that that “is” disparaging because it endeavors to take away from the success by claiming for others (society at large). It’s intended to diminish those “arrogant assholes” accomplishments by laying claim to them in part. Similar reverence must be paid to government says the unproductive politician. Your accomplishment ain’t all that great because you needed me to make it happen. Now pay up.

    R, it’s conceptually and rhetorically perverse taken exactly as it was intended.

  14. I thought there were many others in addition to Smith.

    And we did see the scapegoat film maker hustled off to prison and publicly blamed.

    The point is, that ain’t fake news. That’s disputed events, not a false narrative manufactured by the reporter/publication.

    Neither is the “you didn’t build that.” He actually said that.

    The Pizzagate story is fake. And the genesis went back to the Bill CLinton/Rape Island manifest then went full retard.

    Fake news is. . . well. . . fake. MSNBC and CCN shit’s pretty fake. The threats of the Tea Party being dangerous white supremacists — fake. Palin being responsible for Giffords shooting — fake. Dan Rather and The Killian memos — fake.

  15. El Tigre, the bridge was to be replaced after three years of our labor except for one problem. The DOT and later the county who took possession of the bridge as part of the negotiation, needed eight feet of extra land for the approach. The new bridge was larger than the old one.

    The land owner refused to sell, and we couldn’t persuade her, at least the neighbors who tried couldn’t. I didn’t speak to her.

    Two of us decided to frighten her. My friend was a survivor of Omaha Beach so such things didn’t bother him.

    Late at night, we poured gasoline and diesal fuel along part of her 400 foot paved driveway near the middle away from her house and the road. We also filled a couple of oil cans with gasoline and oil. Her home was about a mile and a half away from the nearest neighbor.

    We considered mixing the confection with dry nitrogen fertilizer but decided it would be too dangerous.

    We kept it away from her house and it cast a lovely light, I guess. We had fled. No one was hurt though some grass was burned.

    This as you suggested was the equivalent of a burning cross. It was a message not intended to damage property or to hurt anyone. Had we failed, we no saw no other alternative. We would have been finished. The bridge was certainly not worth our going to jail or hurting someone. The sherrif investigated, but only two of us knew about the fire.

  16. “Fake News” is an attempt by the MSM to stay relevant. I wouldn’t be surprised if they covertly start putting out fake news just so they can keep talking about it.

    Fake news will make their news seem real.

  17. I was lucky to get my parade because I had a big mouth with the flight attendant who’s uncle worked where my wife and I bought our wedding rings. She also knew a former college classmate.

    The flight attendant had been working for six months, and she loved the chance to travel.

    She moved me to first class so we could chat during her breaks. I was loopy after 24 hours without sleep and I shared some of my adventures. We were short -handed because the base was closing, so I kept working after I had processed out. I was in my dress blues as we med evaced a woman who was bleeding to death.Then, I got on the bus. I told the flight attendant my mind was still on the base, and I worried about the woman. It felt more real than my plane trip.

    As I left the plane, she gave me a Disney Land balloon and wished me luck. The passengers gave me a standing ovation, and I as so shocked I didn’t know how to feel or what to do.

    I get emotional thinking about it even tonight. It wasn’t fair. My brother and cousin dodged tomatoes when they received their homecoming welcome while one of a series of odd events in my life introduced me to someone I desperately needed that night. I remember her face as if we had met this afternoon.

    I dwelled on it and decided to find the flight attendant to thank her for her kindness. About ten years later around 2000, I found the flight attendant. She had died of cancer in 1977.

    I wanted people to meet her, so I described our encounter in a writing contest and won $10.00.

    Life has rarely been boring for me.

  18. I agree with Huck. Much of the liberal media seems to be expressing denial of reality. They think their world is crumbling, and they don’t understand why their country could have betrayed them.

    Thanks Rutherford. I agree about the influence of fathers.

  19. Tigre suffice it to say you’re missing the point of the piece. I’m pointing to a gradual deterioration of the boundary between opinion/propaganda and fact based indisputable news. Since not everyone was offended by Obama’s remark, it was clearly subject to interpretation and any evaluation of it was editorial in nature, not news. The same for Smith – a matter of whose story you believe.

    This Fox/MSNBC tug of war for propaganda, in my opinion set the stage for the evolution of completely false BULLSHIT (Sandy Hook deniers, pizzagate, illuminati, etc).

    In fact what borders on BULLSHIT from the MSM drives the likes of Poolman to flee to the fake news as fact.

    You’re thinking I’m saying the Smith story is the same as Pizzagate. I’m not. I’m saying, taking the former as fact conditions the weak mind to accept the latter.

    But most importantly, putting aside specific examples, I’m saying the MSM should be the last folks on Earth to whine about fake news. If Michael Brown brings home the point for you, all the better.

  20. Much of the liberal media seems to be expressing denial of reality.

    Bingo to you and to Huck.

    The Trump election made the MSM irrelevant. It was also deemed so impossible that the MSM thinks it’s living in a parody. Many of them haven’t accepted the ascent of Trump nor can they accept his direct connection to the people.

  21. By the way, I hope Trump tweets the fuck out of everybody the next four years. I loved his tweets about China and I love his tweets about the union boss who dissed him.

  22. I guess the stock market pushing 20,000 puts to bed the story about Obama’s “policies” being responsible for the rising. Buwahahahahaha

    I remember the night of the election CNN’s rancid crew salivating that the DOW futures down a 1,000 points, as if everything were collapsing because Trump was getting elected. Suck on that Clinton News Network. 😆

  23. “You’re thinking I’m saying the Smith story is the same as Pizzagate. I’m not. I’m saying, taking the former as fact conditions the weak mind to accept the latter.”

    You lost me there. Not that I don’t follow your point. But you conflate government government narrative with “real news” when the the former is indeed fact.

    Naturally you find (no longer) MSM one and the same as government (which is frightening and I believe the real cause for fake news because propaganda outlets ARE fake news), the fools that circulate the trolling bullshit are inevitable. No one really believes them, but some are willing to accept the lies. or chalk them up as nothingburgers Some, in growing numbers, tune it out altogether. Others so distrust the (no longer) MSM they go looking for truth in the absolute most conspicuously unreliable sources because they think there must be some truth to anything that rejects the (no longer) MSM. And from that comes Poolman.

    Gotta admit, when stories from the Onion circulate as truth, it’s no surprise other fake news makes its rounds unchallenged.

    The (no longer) MSM did this to itself. It can longer be trusted for anything and this “fake news” is the natural result.

  24. Some liberals question the wisdom of Trump’s nominating so many generals for cabinet jobs. They are temprementally unfit.

    Those people who grew up in the seventies and later still harbor the anti- military attitudes they had in the past. Expressing those values is now socially unexceptable. Otherwise, they haven’t changed. A government of lawyers hasn’t worked so well either.

    Liberals are taking refuge in a dream world as we agree. Do they realize how much of Obama’s legacy rests in executive actions which will melt like the spring snow if Trump decides to reverse them?

    Nancy Pelosi says Paul Ryan’s medical proposals will deny people a choice of doctors. WHAT!!!?

    Good Morning America noted that the stock market is unexpectedly robust because businesses like proposals for lower taxes, fewer regulations, and infra structure projects add optimism for the future. The stock market was supposed to tank like Trump’s chance of being president.

    Liberals will soon watch what seemed real and immutable to them crumble as Tex’s new Estonian neighbor did after her short YouTube career evolved into something which frightened her.

    She had the good grace to drop from sight for over seven years. Liberals are more like cockroaches. They never leave.

  25. Sounding the false alarm about “fake news” is just another way for the liberal MSM, also known as the MSM, of calling the American people stupid.

    The left, clearly led in their efforts by Obama, is putting the blame for their failures squarely on the American people.

  26. Finally it is the liberal MSM, aka the MSM, that has been marginalized. We have Trump to thank for that. Not exclusively, but he fought them on their ground and won this one with the help of everyone who voted for him and especially those who did so in the primary.

  27. Even the Chia Pet people have a hard time coming up with legacy items for Obama –

    Obamacare!
    Saved the auto industry! 😆
    Many more! :LOL:

    Obamas legacy coming out of the presidency is as thin as his resume was going in.

  28. “Sounding the false alarm about “fake news” is just another way for the liberal MSM, also known as the MSM, of calling the American people stupid.”

    I think it’s really more of lame attempt to reclaim its credibility through more manipulative falsehood. The no-longer MSM can’t help itself.

    But always remember, you ignore it at your peril.

  29. But we reject liberal media at our peril.😂

    I think that point is being distorted. If a blind man says a train is coming down the track and is going to hit you, you don’t simply say “you can’t see, what do you know?” Instead you listen for a train or you turn around and look for yourself.

    When a source is compromised you don’t flat out reject it. You put every claim under a microscope. UNLESS you’ve got such a reliable alternative source that you can afford to totally ignore the compromised one.

    Do you have a very reliable alternative source?

  30. What do you think?<<<

    I think that the Legacy Media is upset because what they have always done is now more obvious due to the availability of other choices.

    I think that the meme also serves the interests of people in power because there are now opinions with wide reach and no particular fealty to them, so the only tool left to them is to discredit the messengers who they cannot control.

    It isn’t lost on me that the outgoing administration actually floated the suggestion of having official government “minders” in newsrooms, and had “Truth Squads” monitoring campaign coverage in elections, as well as “Attack Watch” snitch emails directed to a White House email addy.

  31. “Do you have a very reliable alternative source?”

    SMH.

    Yes. Me.

    R, this is directly to my point, you Big Dummy.

    I am a consumer of news. That’s it. There is no “peril.” I have literally millions of sources I can go to, none more reliable than my own discernment and common sense. You? Not so much.

    Unlike you, I don’t have to have one “very reliable source” that when in doubt should be given the benefit of the doubt, particularly when it so obviously advances its agenda and bashes the other guy in such conclusory fashion.

    I did ignore the stupid shit MSNBC take on the call. Then, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, and just went out to look at the state of things with Taiwan. I addressed the situation and even linked to a BBC article for factual recitation. I assure you there were thousands of equally locatable sources — none of which you even attempted to, you know, locate.

    I assure you there was no peril whatsoever in ignoring the patently obvious biased bullshit you claimed to be “fact checking” here (why you don’t look around yourself if it’s of such grave concern still stupefies, but that’s been your M.O. since I’ve been hanging around).

    This story about a call between Trump, and the fucking president-elect, and Tsai Ing-wen, breathlessly held out as the biggest foreign relations disaster for the U.S. since Romney refused to return his foreign policy to the 1980s, and proof that Trump was disqualified from serving as president to boot, is hardly a horn from an approaching train. It’s a dog whistle sounding at a pitch that only retarded liberals that want so desperately to be validated can hear.

    We can all safely move about our business with having stop, drop, and roll every time these idiots start up again. In fact, the safer course is to freak about the stuff they don’t “report on” — like the true state of the economy, Obamacare, corruption in the state department — the IRS, the real direction of foreign policy now that Obama has been rolled, anything that revealing about the fuckwads you place all of your confidence in that have screwed you and everyone else royally blue.

    However, we can all safely ignore the transgender bathroom issues even those, for the time being, have been waylaid.

    Turn off the fucking teevee. You are a consumer, not a member of the roundtable. It’s gonna be okay.

  32. Tex, it’s incredible that that has to be said. The media and worthless crybabies have gotten themselves so wrapped up in avoiding one scintilla of self-examination they just can’t admit that.

  33. The most rational reason to vote Trump was he was not Hillary Rotten Clinton…nothing more had to be weighed in the decision…

    Only possibly true in the general, Tex. Go back to my comment. I was referring to the primary.

  34. it’s incredible that that has to be said.

    What’s incredible is Tex didn’t carefully read my comment before responding to it.

    I’ve not blamed a single person on this board for voting Trump in the general. The primaries were a different kettle of fish.

  35. Only possibly true in the general, Tex. Go back to my comment. I was referring to the primary.

    Maybe it has to do with a base that elected Republicans to Congress in 2010, 2012, and 2014 in order to change “business as usual”, and saw that a majority of that field in the primary had no intention of changing “business as usual”.

    Maybe its because Trump was the political version of a honey badger…he just didn’t give a fuck what the Presstitute Corpse had to say about him, and he wasn’t going to let the legacy media and the opposing party (BIRM) tell him what he could and could not say by their ‘shrinking violet act” that they have perfected, whereby they clutch their pearls and retreat to their fainting couches everytime someone of the “wrong” political persuasion has the temerity to utter the truth out loud, and in plain terms.

    All I know is that we had a Great Choice, a Good Choice, and the Likely Choice. The rest were the usual suspects, or people who thought it was their turn.

  36. This year, Facebook and Twitter watched as ways of measuring public opinion collapsed. Allowing fake news and computational propaganda to target specific voters is an act against democratic values. But withholding data about public opinion is the major crime against democracy.

    I’m not sure which is more insulting…the good “perfesser’s” idea that we’re all just too stupid to be discerning about what we read, or the apparent belief that we’re also too stupid to understand that in polls that weren’t deliberately oversampling Dem respondents in order to create a meme to be broadcast from the legacy media outlets, the information was a lot closer to the actual result.

  37. All I know is that we had a Great Choice, a Good Choice, and the Likely Choice

    Now you’ve intrigued me. I’m guessing the likely was Jeb Bush. Who were the great and the good?

  38. too stupid to understand that in polls that weren’t deliberately oversampling Dem respondents in order to create a meme to be broadcast from the legacy media outlets, the information was a lot closer to the actual result.

    But few polls got that right. The professor is right that most polling got it wrong. Where the professor grossly misses the mark is suggesting platforms like Twitter and Facebook have some patriotic duty to publish their own data.

  39. Now you’ve intrigued me. I’m guessing the likely was Jeb Bush. Who were the great and the good?

    No.

    The Great was Cruz.
    The Good was Rubio.
    The Likely was President Elect Hell Toupee, because he kept making the Dems and the Legacy Media (BIRM) dance like monkeys to his organ grinder, and giving him free publicity.

    The only person who though JEB! belonged in the running was JEB!

  40. Sorry gang but I absolutely love Kellyanne Conway. It’s a shame that family commitments are keeping her from being Press Secretary. Damn would she rock in that role!

  41. BiC, Cruz true character was proven by kissing Trump’s ass after being so OFFENDED by the attacks on his father and wife. The man has no soul.

    Rubio is not the brightest bulb in the chandelier and Christie proved that by destroying him in debate.

    I think Jeb was a downright tragic figure. A dude who wanted to talk about policy while maintaining a dignified demeanor and he got upstaged by a circus clown. I truly feel bad for the guy even though I don’t support a dynastic presidency.

  42. That looks a lot like fake news, Rutherford. Pozner is a genuine dick. He did NOT lose a child at sandy hook. No one did.

  43. Is she a nut case? Why is this woman even news? What evidence convicts her or proves she’s even real? Why are we looking at a 20 year old mugshot? Is it because there is an anniversary of the event next week? Enjoy your fake outrage.

  44. Enjoy your fake outrage.

    I assure you my outrage isn’t fake. The only reason I come even close to looking the other way when you spew this vile theory is that several years of association convinces me you’re not malicious.

  45. Well Tigre we all have to draw a line somewhere. I draw mine at Alex Jones. You draw yours at The New York Times. So the question is who is the bigger nut, you or Poolman?

  46. Okay. Have it your way. Genuine outrage spurred on by fantasy.

    Let’s call it a trigger. The news told you to be outraged. Who needs evidence anyway?

  47. While Poolman drowns in morbid fantasy, truth really is stranger than fiction.

    According to MSNBC, the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump will be Executive Producer of Celebrity Apprentice when it returns in January.

    😂😂😂😂 You just can’t make this shit up!

  48. Where would liberals go? They could move to another country. Instead, they will wait in our educational system, news media, and political back benches as they bide their time.

  49. The Republican field reeked to one degree or another of the old comfortable country club.

    Most tried to marginalize the Tea Party types and many, but not all refused to counter attack as vigorously as they should have. Most notably, Romney ought not have crumbled under Candy Crowey’s attack during the debate with Obama.
    I supported Marco Rubio.

    The fake news discussion obviously is an attempt to reserve freedom of speech for the progressives. The rest of us can accept their version of the truth.

    Trump’s still being executive producer is a surprise. Not much surprises me now.

  50. I’m so glad I didn’t succumb to the hippie-dippie radicalism of Jill Stein. I’ve got a soft spot for progressive radicals but Jill turned out to be a dunce.

    Progressives hate voter ID and what did the dumbass do by hypocritically challenging the Michigan results? She roused the voter ID monster.

    Stupid ass – and with grand hypocrite Hillary giving support behind the scenes.

  51. I agree.

    News Busters tells us that Mika Brzezinski just said the Hillary campaign tried to get her pulled off the air. As we know, Obama also tried to silence Fox News and other reporters.

    Jill Stein completes the pattern. They want to destroy our First Amendment rights. If Trump can combine competence with his attitude, our way of life may survive for a while longer.

    Mika must be brainwashed to still have supported Hillary. Why didn’t they try to black ball Joe? It would seem to be a more logical choice, except for Mika’s early leaning toward Sanders.

    This implies to me a darker evil than merely subverting our freedom to read and hear all forms of speech. It was a personal, destructive attack.

    Had Trump lost, progressives like Stein and Hillary would have controlled government agencies which would have denied us our rights. Organizations like the IRS and EPA would have criminalized selected enemies.

  52. Electing Scott Pruitt to head the EPA, the AG of Oklahoma, is the biggest slap in the face of radical Progressives Donald Trump has nominated yet.

    To hear the Progressives howl, they would have you believe guys like me want to poison the water like Flint, want to breathe methane and have fire coming out our faucets. 😆 Pruitt has actually done a great job of keeping the zealots at bay down this way.

    I don’t throw Rutherford in the camp of the mentally ill, but it more than obvious that millions of Proggies are mentally ill in addition to being stupid.

  53. I told you those Wayne County votes are corrupt as fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you Jill Stein. While Rutherford is only angry over the fact you leftists got caught or that he was dead wrong again, justice will prevail.

  54. Rabbit what are you whining about? The nonexistent widespread voter fraud didn’t do Hillary any good. Trump won your state.

    Does voter fraud exist? Of course. Of statistically enough difference to throw an election? Almost never.

    Give it a fucking rest.

  55. Rutherford that you think the resident troofer isn’t malicious is shocking.

    I love the medias framing of fake news and Russia as a threat to Liberal governance. They frame it like its Lockeian liberal democracy that’s under threat .

    I was thinking the Michigan and especially the Philadelphia folks that were very clear they didn’t want a recount was very telling that American Machine politicos know the deal.

  56. Poolman’s latest video mixture of real and fake news. But I did like “coo-coo-pants”.

    Hey Poolman, isn’t it difficult to run a pedo ring out of a basement when the building has no basement? 🙄

  57. Tex – it’s what I call blacks when I don’t want to write the cuss word and I’m running low on my 140 Twitter characters

    Whew. I was thinking you were leaving us high and dry to fend the bar, while you switched over to hip hop writer. 😉

  58. Alfie, I use the word malicious with caution. There are a plethora of adjectives I’d apply to Poolman: lost, deluded, pot-addled and maybe just plain nutty. I’m not with malicious just yet.

    What I’m wondering is how many poolmen are out there? It’s a cottage industry at this point with its own vocabulary: false flags, psy-ops, crisis actors, etc. There have got to be millions buying into this stuff.

  59. It’s all done maliciously. He gets his jollies off of it. The spreader of rumors and falsehoods will probably fry one day.

  60. Nah. You’ll know that’s happening when my tweets refer to bitches and ho’s. 😀

    😆 😆

    I took at a list of those radical professors. One of them was a Sandy Hook denier. Had he been pushing weed as a miraculous cure, I would have thought he was one of the gang.

  61. Every one is getting on board. The pope says fake news is a sin and if you like it it is the same as getting sexually aroused by human shit. The pope. I wonder who is giving him revelation? Beware the yeast of the pharisees indeed!

  62. Ooh ooh. Now Trump says that he wants everyone to address him as “Sire.” You just cant make this shit up.

    Was that mocking me? You find it normal for the POTUS to be Executive Producer of a reality tv show hosted by Ahhhhnold?

    I’m not saying it’s the end of the world, Muffy. I’m just saying it’s absurd.

    Am I gonna have to put up with you and Tigre defending every single ridiculous thing that goes down the next four years?

  63. “Am I gonna have to put up with you and Tigre defending every single ridiculous thing that goes down the next four years?”

    Are we gonna have to put up with you getting caught up in every single dumb MSNBC hysteria du jour for. . . wait. You’ve been doing it for 8 years already.

  64. Thankfully Obama is looking into Russian hacking now that Hillary’s emails containing classified information were virtually delivered to the Russians directly is no longer in the spotlight.

  65. How many elections would you need to see be affected before you’d agree that it needs to be addressed?

    Give me just ONE POTUS election since 1980 and I’ll concede the point. All it would take is one in the past 36 years. Go for it.

  66. Are we gonna have to put up with you getting caught up in every single dumb MSNBC hysteria du jour

    So much wrong with that comment. I’m neither “caught up in” nor “hysterical” about the POTUS being an executive producer of a tv show. I just find it incredibly absurd. You do too but you’d rather fall back on your trite MSNBC BULLSHIT.

    C’mon dude, don’t be so set on confrontation that you can’t admit when things have jumped the shark.

  67. “So much wrong with that comment. I’m neither “caught up in” nor “hysterical” about the POTUS being an executive producer of a tv show. I just find it incredibly absurd. You do too but you’d rather fall back on your trite MSNBC BULLSHIT.”

    In fact, I didn’t even mention it. Hmmmmm. . .

    I love that you type that as though everyone here was just introduced rather than having been through the petty, mind-numbing MSNBC narratives for years. We’ve suffered through the heavy duty Romney commentary. Why it seems like only yesterday Romney sold baby parts or something because his company did something or held stock in some other company that did something after Romney left Bain.

    So what does an executive producer do exactly? I don’t really give a shit, but I assume at this point that he lends his name and appears in the credits because the show was created and rides on him as a personality and it would fuck a lot of people if he didn’t continue to do so. But hell if I know. Maybe he’s committed to attending celebrity hot tub events or something.

    What I do know is that you denying the influence of your MSNBC eye-guzzling on all aspects of your life and outlook is rhetorically proximate to pure bullshit. 😆

  68. So what does an executive producer do exactly? I don’t really give a shit, but I assume at this point that he lends his name and appears in the credits because the show was created and rides on him as a personality and it would fuck a lot of people if he didn’t continue to do so. But hell if I know. Maybe he’s committed to attending celebrity hot tub events or something.

    Honestly, it depends on the executive producer.

    Sometimes, they end up doing a lot, including a fair bit of the actual writing, a la the late Glen A. Larson, and sometimes they put up the money and get the right people hired to make the endeavor work.

  69. What I do know is that you denying the influence of your MSNBC eye-guzzling on all aspects of your life and outlook is rhetorically proximate to pure bullshit. 😆

    I’m glad that closer made you crack up, Chrissy.

  70. From my understanding most Executive Producers finance the production. I’d be surprised if Glen Larson didn’t get a writing credit if he was indeed writing.

    The role of the exec producer is irrelevant to the conversation. Typically our POTUS has ONE job, not two or three or four.

    I give up. When Trump dances naked down Pennsylvania Avenue, Tigre will call it MSNBC trivial hysteria.

    So let’s sit back and enjoy the next four years and comment on none of it because it’s all MSM contrived nothingburgers. 🙄

  71. I like that those calling out fake news are by far the broadest purveyors of propaganda this collective has ever known. It does have the usual Orwellian flavor to it. As-per-usual all the litmus lemmings and third-eye-blind peeps are falling in line.

  72. The more non-Presidential things Trump has his name on, the more it is going to give the appearance that he is distracted and/or that other people are running parts or all of the government and he isn’t completely in charge. It won’t matter if it’s true, his actions will feed the perception.

    For that reason, alone, I think he needs to be hands off of everything while he’s in office.

  73. From my understanding most Executive Producers finance the production. I’d be surprised if Glen Larson didn’t get a writing credit if he was indeed writing.

    He was pretty much doing everything in short order when he started on “It Takes A Thief”.

    The role of the exec producer is irrelevant to the conversation. Typically our POTUS has ONE job, not two or three or four.

    You mean like starting the day at 10 or 11 am, playing an assload of golf and fund raising, hobknobbing with celebrities, making the stupidest “contributions” possible to current events, making an unsuccessful Olympic bid for your adopted hometown, and then using your pen and phone to accomplish what you were unable to procure through persuasion and compromise?

    Yes, you walked directly into that, and deserved every last bit of it.

    I give up. When Trump dances naked down Pennsylvania Avenue, Tigre will call it MSNBC trivial hysteria.

    If he does, he’ll be sure to tweet it, and give Chaz the vapors on the air over it.

    So let’s sit back and enjoy the next four years and comment on none of it because it’s all MSM contrived nothingburgers. 🙄

    They’re only “mainstream” if you continue to give them legitimacy that they have completely pissed away.

    They are the legacy media, not the mainstream. They’re like the idiot kids and grandkids who piss away the family fortune in trivial, pointless, and selfish pursuits.

  74. “Give me just ONE POTUS election since 1980 and I’ll concede the point. All it would take is one in the past 36 years. Go for it.”

    You’re the one who wrote “almost never”.

  75. If the CIA is confident of something why aren’t they coming out and saying it? Unless I’ve missed it all we have so far are “multiple sources with knowledge of the investigation” and “an unnamed senator” which could be serial-liar Harry Reid for all we know.

    In an age of “fake news” shouldn’t we be shown a smoking gun?

  76. Yes, you walked directly into that, and deserved every last bit of it.

    I didn’t walk into anything. You described how Obama did his ONE job (which very sadly includes fund raising which I oppose) and his leisure time diversions. When you see me criticizing Trumps love for the occasional golf game, feel free to stomp on my foot.

  77. EP is a catch-all title. The guy that wrote Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy died thinking the movie would never get made and he got EP credit when it eventually did.

    This is gossip, breathlessly delivered to generate discussion in lieu of genuine concerns. What is truly absurd is how this became a story. Vanity Fair interviews Schwarzenegger and a press that needs to justify its existence smelled something useful to that end. They’re trying to affect Trump like he affects them and make him remove his name from shit – buildings he no longer owns but which are contractually obligated to keep his name, anything that reminds the insane left of their loss. It’s a grotesque game for them and a tiresome one for us.

  78. It seems Russia is being accused of hacking computers and releasing the information they contain. Are there any allegations of lying or fabricating information being released?

    Because, if not, it sounds like the worst Russia is being accused of is showing Americans the truth. It’s a shame when exposing the truth is considered rigging an election.

  79. Thanks for the info BiC and Muffy. I’d have asked Rutherford if he knew why this title was such a problem, but that’d be like giving a cat a bath. He wouldn’t trouble himself. Since MSNBC mocked Trump over it, there’s peril afoot in not going with it. Any chance it’s more title than duties he’s signed on for?

  80. @Tigre. Yes, absolutely. Could be a matter of financial backing, licensing, consulting, academic (deans of colleges having nothing to do with production, for example.), the list goes on.

  81. OK, who the fuck is Rex Tillerson?

    That’s the swamp NOT being drained and in fact what happens when you boom off a portion of said swamp and get yourself a super concentrated pool of shit.

  82. It’s a shame when exposing the truth is considered rigging an election.

    I’ve been saying this ever since the DNC leaks started. I don’t care about the source. I care about the content. The source is a distraction from the content.

  83. The bright side to Tillerman is that Trump told toady Romney to go fuck himself. What a total humiliation. Maybe he’ll think twice before he launches another public character assassination.

  84. Close your eyes and imagine if you will…Hillary Clinton is president, that Tim Kaine thing is vice president, senate majority leader is Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the house.

    Now I ax ya, who the fuck wants to change electing Donald Trump to the presidency?

  85. Not to nitpick but Nancy would never have been speaker. GOP had House in the bag despite Dem pre-election delusions.

    It would have been more gridlock.

    One upside of the Trump win and GOP keeping the Senate is united government and the possibility of getting something done.

    Wups, I forgot. You don’t want government to do anything. Sorry.

  86. My imagination isn’t limited to binaries. I can imagine a number of people I’d have rather seen elected than Donald Trump. That Hillary isn’t one of them doesn’t change that.

    He’s going to be the president and I hope he does a good job and I am trying really hard not to pass judgment until he does things that can be judged. But there is no way in hell I plan to give him the benefit of any doubts I have…and I have plenty.

  87. “One upside of the Trump win and GOP keeping the Senate is united government and the possibility of getting something done.”

    Getting something done is only good if it’s the right thing.

  88. @ Huck – You can pass too but the limits are set for this challenge.

    Id still be interested in hearing your druthers. I dont quite recollect who they are.

  89. “Getting something done is only good if it’s the right thing.”

    Thats the point of imagining the scenario as given – which was entirely possible if not also a likelihood.

  90. “Id still be interested in hearing your druthers. I dont quite recollect who they are.”

    I think Mitt Romney would have done a great job. I was kind of disappointed when he didn’t step in this time. He’d have been by far the most presidential on the GOP stage.

    It was a pipe dream, I know, but I liked Rand Paul. He’s not as libertarian (small L) as I’d like, but he’s up there. He’ll never be president, but I hope he keeps trying but for no other reason than to keep the small government conversation alive.

    He was not the perfect candidate, but I liked Jim Webb. He’s got a lot of experience and I had the impression he could clean up a few things that need cleaning. He doesn’t seem overly concerned with political correctness and seems to be a fairly straight shooter.

  91. “Designated Survivor” has lost me, Rutherford. It’s trying to do too much all at once. I stopped watching midway through the episode 2 weeks ago and last week’s is still sitting on the DVR. I don’t think I’ll be clicking on it.

  92. I think Mitt is still in it for sec o state. I did hear Exxon Rex was the new front runner but I think the real dark horse could be Carly, who Trump meets with tomorrow. The process seems to have been conducted categorically from establishment to military to business.

  93. Earlier today I was looking for Paul Ryan’s recent 60 minutes appearance and came across this. I cant stand Hannity as much as anybody but I was struck by Paul Ryan’s enthusiasm and obvious relief that things turned out as they have. This prompted my question/challenge.

    I’m more than a little relieved myself.

  94. “Keep being an idiot Tigre. You elected a reality tv star to the presidency and all your snark will never change that.

    We all need to just hope for the best.”

    LOL. Says the Bernie supporter that voted for who the fuck knows that had no chance to beat Trump to “cover your ass.”

    Looks like you didn’t cover your ass. You got whomever wasn’t Hillary you doofus. Gee, who’d have guessed it was the GOP nominee.

    Hope & Change!

  95. You know R, the worst thing for you is for things to improve for America under Trump. You’re so invested in the losers, with a losing narrative, and a losing tack record, all you can do is manufacture bullshit to try and validate your investment. Tigre isn’t invested in the man like you are in Obama and your failed thought leaders. There’s no reciprocity, and that sucks for you.

  96. which was entirely possible if not also a likelihood.

    Like I said, never a likelihood. While Dems were fantasizing about taking the House, even the lib media said it would not happen.

  97. I think Mitt Romney would have done a great job.

    Romney is an American tragedy. The man could have run on an “I told you so” platform particularly in FP but chose to not run. Then took dead aim at Trump playing responsible conservative patriot. Then genuflected to that same Trump, laying waste to all that came before.

    Mitt will go down in history as nothing but a loser. Sad.

  98. Huck, Designated Survivor is a mixed bag and a lost opportunity. I’m still watching it but I get why you dropped it. Poor plotting. Plus Kiefer Sutherland is probably miscast. You keep waiting for him to stop talking in whisper tones and pull a Jack Bauer.

    “London Has Fallen” – now THATS a fun ride!

  99. “the real dark horse could be Carly, who Trump meets with tomorrow”

    I didn’t know that. We talked about that before.

  100. Says the Bernie supporter that voted for who the fuck knows that had no chance to beat Trump to “cover your ass”

    Wrong yet again. There’s a good chance Bernie would have beaten Trump but we’ll never know.

    I did not vote for President this year. My hands are completely clean.

  101. Oh, and you voted for a reality TV star whose primary income derives from having his name on buildings.

    Like I said, let’s all hope for the best.

    P.S. Make America Great Again sounds a lot like hope and change to me. Tigre, did YOU vote for Trump in the Georgia primary? Somehow I doubt it.

  102. You know R, the worst thing for you is for things to improve for America under Trump.

    Wow! Wrong AGAIN! Stop commenting before you hurt yourself.

    I’m rooting for Trump and I’m liking SOME of what I see. That doesn’t mean he had ANY business being elected President.

    I think there is a chance he will defy expectation.

    You know I sing a much more “give Trump a chance” tone on Facebook because there I encounter cry-baby liberals. Here I encounter head in the sand conservative morons.

  103. Rex Tillerson runs Exxon which fully prepares him to be our lead diplomat. 🙄

    I think you’re sadly misunderstanding the role of Sec. of State if you consider them the “lead diplomat.”

    They’re foreign policy advisers first and foremost. I would prefer to have somebody “smart” instead of “political.” I think you forget just how much international experience many of these CEOs have and Trump is a money man.

    Trump has convinced me that he is determined to “Make America Grow Again.” 🙂

  104. “Like I said, never a likelihood. While Dems were fantasizing about taking the House, even the lib media said it would not happen.”

    You do know that the lib media got a few things wrong that night, dont you?

    Actually what you said was “Nancy would never have been speaker. GOP had House in the bag despite Dem pre-election delusions.”

    In any case, I think we can take Paul Ryans word for it over yours, the other delusional dems, or the lib media. Go to the video @ 1:55 – 2:45. (I recommend watching the rest of it as well. You ignore it at your own peril.) It was by no means outside the realm of possibility.

    The point, which still eludes you, isnt about the odds of it happening so much as the horror of it. ((((((((((shudder))))))))))

  105. Clearly Trump could do much worse than Tillerson. John Bolton or Giuliani would have been a disaster.

    I’m guessing the first term of Trump will be known for social policy taking a backseat to economics and maybe that’s not a bad thing.

    But you have to chuckle when you appoint a climate denier to EPA. Mofo is suing the EPA. That’s fucking hilarious. 😂😂😀

  106. “I didn’t know that. We talked about that before.”

    Indeed, that I do recall. An outside of the box call you made early on if Im not mistaken.

  107. @shadow 😉

    I think you hit on Trumps thought process and specifically as it relates to elevating Exxon Rex to the top of the list.

    Trump is conducting job interviews very much like we think of them outside of the beltway.

  108. You got to imagine Trump is also looking forward to saying “You’re Fired” so being on his hire list comes with the added “do I really want to do this?”

  109. Introduction of an old radio program is “Only the Shadow Knows” If Trump succeeds he will crush his opposition through example.

    Rutherford, Hillary’s toxic personna and the authoritiarian mood of her followers made Trump our only choice. By that standard, he had all “business being elected president.”

  110. Yeah, sorry about the “typo” there. Shadow is my “black lab…” 😆 You can tell I had two screens open and wasn’t paying a great deal of attention.

  111. LOL. No one here has their head in the damn sand about Trump because the stupid Rutherford – MSNBC algorithm, i.e. Rutherford = MSNBC, is being perilously ignored.

    But you do make compelling arguments. I’ve always been moved by, “Maddow said…” and “you can’t make this stuff up” followed by… well… nothing but lame admonitions bereft of substance.

    I particularly enjoyed your enlightened commentary on Trump’s divided attention. Thanks for looking into. Since I didn’t even mention it before failing the Seriousness/Awareness test concerning the next threat To western democracy posed by Trump, your “can’t make this stuff up” sure helped me avoid the pitfall of beliving that it was, you know, made up, and stuff.

    Sorry about your “uncovered ass.” By not voting, you’ve certainly earned the right to castigate. I only now see that Bernie would’ve won this thing without nomination of his party. Your speculation is very rational. “If only, now Trump, your fault” is linear and airtight. We all feel Bern-ed. So much shame. I’m envious of the emancipation you must feel with your non-voter bona fides. More MSNBC hype, please. You’ve earned it.

  112. Uh oh. New threat posed by Trump today. He is dismissive the vague reports that Russia influenced the election. Notwithstanding his intelligence briefings, his disregard of highly classified MSNBC reports of highly classified CIA reports is more proof that he’s too reckless to legitimately hold the position of president. First, evading the protective liberal press detail, now this. If only we had old “reset” Hillary and Badass Obama at the helm. Withis kind of intel, they could sic James Taylor on thise Rooskies.

    Oh wait, Trump’s not president. Perhaps Obama could out manspread Putin to put him in his place.

  113. “You got to imagine Trump is also looking forward to saying ‘You’re Fired’ so being on his hire list comes with the added ‘do I really want to do this?’ “

    It’s about effing time the Washington aristocracy & bureaucracy work as though their own jobs depended on it.

    I cannot wait for the firings of the already installed crooks and incompetents instead of just those in disagreement with his policies.

    Can he fire people at the State dept? The DOJ?

  114. I don’t think Rutherford presented it well but there is something very un-Presidential about being advertised as an Executive Producer of a television show. This is so Silvio Berlusconi…God Bless America.
    It is also to be said that Rutherford perhaps missed the precedents set by POTUS’s including Obama that while sitting in the Oval royalties were awarded. Obama reportedly donated his during the Presidency. Let’s see what Trump,who is already allegedly forsaking his Constitutionally supported salary.

  115. “Romney is an American tragedy. The man could have run on an “I told you so” platform particularly in FP but chose to not run. Then took dead aim at Trump playing responsible conservative patriot. Then genuflected to that same Trump, laying waste to all that came before.

    Mitt will go down in history as nothing but a loser. Sad.”

    Mitts not a loser any more than Obama is a winner. Mitts probably the best man to have fallen in the general election in our lifetimes.

    Mitt wasn’t playing at responsible conservative patriot against Trump either. That’s what he is. He spoke against Trump out of a sense of duty.

    Mitt is a decent man, a respectable leader, and was as honest a politician as one can be and still have been a contender.

  116. “You got to imagine Trump is also looking forward to saying “You’re Fired” so being on his hire list comes with the added “do I really want to do this?””

    This just reminded me of when Mitt said “I like firing people.” 😀

  117. “I don’t think Rutherford presented it well but there is something very un-Presidential about being advertised as an Executive Producer of a television show.”

    I don’t see where anyone said otherwise.

    Yes, you could say that Rutherford didn’t present it very well. Tigre addressed that perfectly I thought.

    “You cant make this stuff up” is fairly meaningless and worse – a falsehood.

  118. I’d like to see a transparent investigation and actual report I can read regarding this Russia/election issue. So far we have a secret CIA report, the conclusion of which leaked by an unnamed source, reported by a MSM that has lost all credibility.

    If this shows our election was somehow messed with, why is this report being kept secret?

  119. “I don’t think Rutherford presented it well but there is something very un-Presidential about being advertised as an Executive Producer of a television show.”

    I would like to know how many people/jobs/investors would be fucked if he simply dropped the designation. I’ve got to believe that there are some contractual obligations with the show that might include the designation and that abandoning it would be harmful. Given his platform, the one that got him elected, perhaps it would be more unpresidential for him to sacrifice those interests rather than allow his name to scroll at the end of the broadcast to the disingenuous mocking of his perpetual detractors. Unseemly or not, I’m fresh out fucks on this stuff. I’d like to know about the approach to the healthcare crisis put in place by the ousted idiots.

  120. “Unseemly or not, I’m fresh out fucks on this stuff.”

    No kidding. It’s trivial drama manufactured by the increasingly frustrated and irrelevant propaganda arm of the increasingly unhinged democrat party. An idle MSM which has been reduced to camping outside restricted areas with their cameras pointed at a set of elevator doors, desperate to get the scoop on today’s nothingburger special. That’s the absurdity here.

  121. Yeah, I’m a lot more concerned about who he’s going to get to fix a system that allows a vet to die of maggot-infested sores than I am about who he’s going to get to be Executive Producer of The Apprentice.

  122. More MSNBC hype, please. You’ve earned it.

    You’re an ass. And if you think anyone with half a brain here mistakes your snark for substance, you’re severely deluded.

    But you’re entertaining, Center Square, I’ll give you that. 😊

  123. New threat posed by Trump today. He is dismissive the vague reports that Russia influenced the election.

    Another insightful observation. For what it’s worth, I’m with Kellyanne Conway that this is just another example of the Dems unable to accept they blew it.

    Re “Rooskies”, Chris Matthews called them that on tv last week and I laughed out loud. I thought that term was retired 40 years ago.

  124. Can he fire people at the State dept? The DOJ?

    I heard a comment that Trump will run the country like a corporation leaving both hiring and firing decisions in the hands of his department heads.

  125. “You’re an ass. And if you think anyone with half a brain here mistakes your snark for substance, you’re severely deluded.”

    That irony meter’s still broken R.

  126. More fake news according to R’s “real” sources:

    As usual, you’re missing the point. Even if he devotes zero seconds to his role as EP, it is still an embarrassing association which he is encouraging.

    Tigre PLEASE stop defending the clearly ridiculous parts of this election. You are making a fool of yourself.

    I get you’re happy the GOP has the White House. I get you hate Hillary and Obama. No problem there. But don’t suggest it enhances the stature of the presidency to have his name there as the credits roll on Celebrity Apprentice.

    P.S. Unlike you I am a TV addict and not just lib politics. I watched 4 or 5 seasons of the Apprentice and a few seasons of Celebrity Apprentice. I know the show better than you do.

    With that said … one season, Trump devoted the show to folks displaced by the recession He found jobs for many contestants even though they didn’t go onto win the competition. If he’s going to stay associated with the show, how about doing something like that again? OR for Celebrity Apprentice which is always for a charity, how about raising money to rebuild America?

    He actually could turn this silly association into something useful.

  127. Romney’s “I like to fire people” was aimed at people who fail to provide good service and was part of a speech on health insurance. On a political experience level it can be presented that Romney is/was never afraid to terminate people to make something better or hold someone accountable.
    My fear is that Trumps unproven as well as his proven character will have DC Apprentice Live air with him obnoxiously firing people to deflect from his failures.

  128. Has anybody asked the simple question about this so called Russian hack to help Trump win?

    Why? Good lawd, Hillary Clinton helped reset Russia to the USSR, and Putin has rolled Obama everyday for eight years. These two are the perfect puppets for a thug.

    The motive makes little sense unless one really thinks Trump hates America like Obama, Vlad had the perfect American toadies in place under the Dimocratic banner. 😐

  129. An idle MSM which has been reduced to camping outside restricted areas with their cameras pointed at a set of elevator doors, desperate to get the scoop on today’s nothing burger special.

    That swings both ways. Regardless of their ultimate motives which are sadly negative the MSM has an obligation to sit outside the golf club, inside the office tower lobby and anywhere else to relay information to the American public.
    It could be said that Trump is playing a game now on multiple levels and if the only take away is he’s sticking it to the media whores it’s another sad chapter in American History.

  130. He spoke against Trump out of a sense of duty.

    Muffy what role would Pfarker have to play for you to ignore he repeatedly called you a vulgar name? And wouldn’t I be justified in questioning your character (or at least your judgment) if you suddenly said “I want to help Pfarker”?

    Romney went beyond policy disagreements and brutally attacked the man’s character. THEN he meets with the scam artist to see how he can be of service? That’s forgetting how he kissed Trumps ass in 2012.

    Much like Tigre, you just enjoy arguing for the sake of it.

    I’ll go out on a limb and suggest Romney’s biggest fan, Alfie, wanted Mitt to become SoS but was slightly disconcerted by the 180.

  131. @ Tex you can’t be serious. I don’t want to go down the conspiracy brick road but campaigning that Russia isn’t all that bad,promoting a foreign policy that dovetails with Moscows agenda and considering a guy for SoS that earned a fucking Russian medal of honor doesn’t paint a Norman Rockwell moment.

  132. If this shows our election was somehow messed with, why is this report being kept secret?

    What’s stranger is the timeline. I heard the “Russia wants Trump” intel was known PRIOR to the election. Why not let the public know when it might have made a difference?

  133. I’ll go out on a limb and suggest Romney’s biggest fan, Alfie, wanted Mitt to become SoS but was slightly disconcerted by the 180.

    You’d be wrong. I think Mitt Romney absolutely positively wants the best for America and not a given individual. As such he can be pals with a 2012 Trump,disgusted by a 2015-16 Trump and faced with the inevitable be open to siding with a President Trump for the good of the country. Likewise if 2018/19 Trump is crushing America with oligarch corruption on an international scale with a side of crazed pseudo-nationalism I expect Romney to speak out on that.
    Keep in mind NONE of Trumps SoS candidates share his vision of state craft so anyone who gets the job is either morphing and conforming of covering for a liar.

  134. It’s trivial drama

    The only ones who made it a “drama” were you argumentative idiots. I made a fucking offhand comment that I actually thought rational people would agree with and Tigre turned it into a stupid back and forth about MSNBC.

    There is no drama. It’s just absurd, as I’ve said about a dozen times. For some reason this “usual band of idiots” think that acknowledging obvious absurdity is tantamount to sacrificing your conservative bona fides.

    Arrrrrrrrgh!!!!!! 😜😜😜😜😜😜

  135. Close your eyes and imagine if you will…Hillary Clinton is president, that Tim Kaine thing is vice president, senate majority leader is Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the house.

    Now I ax ya, who the fuck wants to change electing Donald Trump to the presidency?

    Half the country.
    To follow up with more of the context of the question I think the country would be getting fed a steady stream of SCOTUS appointments,”inclusion” and speculation on job holders ranging from Corey Booker,Bernie Sanders,Lizzie Warren and Julian Castro.

  136. I still believe the Russian hack is publicaly still a rumor used by the Democrats to discredit and weaken the Trump administration.

    Definitive evidence which might exist is still private.

    If fiction is reality, why would the Russians want Hillary to lose?

    Maybe they think Trump will ease the sanctions and stop fighting for regime change in Syria.

    One of the most dangerous people in combat is an incompetent second lieutenant. Someone like Hillary.

    She has indirectly caused millions of deaths and she appears to have been willing to start more. Some of her Middle East adventures might oppose Russian interests.
    Trump might be more tractable.

    Democrats for a while told us that Trump would make a war with Russia more likely. Putin also said war was possible, but he wasn’t discussing Trump. He hasn’t mentioned war with us lately.

  137. Alfie to put it simply, when can a decent man be judged by his words? Is it all conditional – in the moment? Don’t you have any admiration for the Bush family who have consistently opposed this man to the bitter end?

    Jeb is now tweeting support of appointments but not of the man himself. I call that moral consistency.

  138. when can a decent man be judged by his words? Is it all conditional – in the moment?
    A decent man can withstand judgement at any time

    Don’t you have any admiration for the Bush family who have consistently opposed this man to the bitter end?
    I respect their personal decisions but don’t ask for or need their decisions to guide my own

    Jeb is now tweeting support of appointments but not of the man himself. I call that moral consistency.
    One could call it utter irrelevancy clawing the door too.

  139. Trump campaigned on power through strength,non-intervention,alliance litmus testing,no free trade and sovereignty not really mattering unless he thinks it does.

  140. @ James
    Trump might be more tractable.
    I think you mean more pliable,from Putins perspective anyway.
    Yes Hillary’s “no fly” zone proposals in Syria were trouble and insidiously stupid. If Trump wants to completely back away from Syria I’m all for it,just let’s be clear on the outcome and not be pussies about it. I don’t know if anyone in the entire GOP structure has that second part down.

  141. “The only ones who made it a “drama” were you argumentative idiots. I made a fucking offhand comment that I actually thought rational people would agree with and Tigre turned it into a stupid back and forth about MSNBC.”

    Stop putting words in peoples’ mouths.

  142. “Muffy what role would Pfarker have to play for you to ignore he repeatedly called you a vulgar name? And wouldn’t I be justified in questioning your character (or at least your judgment) if you suddenly said “I want to help Pfarker”?”

    For obvious reasons I could be lacking in objectivity here but this is the lamest analogy ever.

    “Romney went beyond policy disagreements and brutally attacked the man’s character.”

    Stop repeating yourself in lieu of supporting your point. We get it. Romney slammed Trump. Then he met with him to discuss serving as his Sec of State.

    It’s another non-issue. The campaign is over.

  143. “Half the country.
    To follow up with more of the context of the question I think the country would be getting fed a steady stream of SCOTUS appointments,”inclusion” and speculation on job holders ranging from Corey Booker,Bernie Sanders,Lizzie Warren and Julian Castro.”

    EXACTAMUNDO!

    We might even be waking up to a Holder appointment to fill the vacancy left by Scalia and Ruth Buzzy grandly passing her lacey dissent collar along to a gulp Justice Obama.

  144. The campaign is over.

    So, Romney’s early 2016 behavior was a campaign stunt that should now be forgotten? I didn’t get the memo that said the day after the election that everything that came before was just a dream.

    The reason the Pfarker analogy is not lame is that your outrage at the time was sincere and deeply heartfelt and past being a pretty reliable predictor of the future I would think there’s no amount of money Pfarker could pay you to work for him. If we suddenly learned that you had taken a job under Pfarker we’d be shocked. Is it unusual that we’d be shocked?

  145. Well…Obama did promise Russia there would be more flexibility after the election.

    He just didn’t specify which election……

  146. Yes, half the country and I think you missed his point by saying it (or maybe I did). He was reminding you that your nightmare scenario was not a nightmare to a shitload of people. You kind of implied that your nightmare had some universal acceptance.

  147. “I didn’t get the memo that said the day after the election that everything that came before was just a dream.”

    Politics would grind to a complete halt if grudges over what was said during a campaign were held after the election. Politicians understand campaigning, so hitting a reset button after the campaigning ends isn’t that difficult a concept to understand.

  148. Alfie, it’s not that complicated. Human beings are expected to be true to their feelings. When you condemn someone vociferously and then consider working for them it raises eyebrows.

    I’ll spell out the analogy clearly for you. In early 2016, Mitt acted like Trump had repeatedly called him a c*nt. I can’t make it any plainer than that.

  149. You’re absolutely incorrect Rutherford. If you see my earlier comment on Romney that speaks to doing something for country over all you’d perhaps get my point.
    Romney vehemently disagreed with Trumps candidacy and will likely disagree with it no matter where life finds him in the coming months and years. People hold their noses over supervisors,bosses and kin daily. The higher good is what matters. Prof/Park had no higher good going for him with his assault on Muffy.

  150. “So, Romney’s early 2016 behavior was a campaign stunt that should now be forgotten? “

    Stop putting words in peoples’ mouths.

    Re: the lame analogy – the circumstances are not even close to similar. It’s apples and marsupials.

    Look, our opinions differ greatly. The facts are not in dispute. There’s more than one conclusion that can be drawn from the same set of facts. I’m not saying your opinion is wrong. It’s loosely shared by two pols that I’m aware of and whose opinions I respect a great deal – Newt and Rudy. But their concerns also go deeper, which makes an impression on me as well.

    Whether or not Romney can serve Trump and the American people depends on how closely their FP goals line up. I think they’re trying to figure that out.

  151. Huck, Muffy accuses me of repeating myself. So I’ll give the floor to Mitt.

    Here’s what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He’s playing the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat.

    That’s not about policy. That’s about the unchangeable character traits of a 70 year old man. That transcends elections and campaign seasons. For Trump to view Romney as toxic is entirely human and not simply holding a grudge. For Romney to consider working for the fraud/phony speaks volumes about what he would tolerate in his employer.

    If all Mitt was doing in March of 2016 was playing politics then the decency claim goes out the window.

  152. “Yes, half the country and I think you missed his point by saying it (or maybe I did). He was reminding you that your nightmare scenario was not a nightmare to a shitload of people. You kind of implied that your nightmare had some universal acceptance.”

    Not my intent.

    The pretext was your admonition that no amount of snark could change Tigre’s vote. I meant to suggest that he wouldn’t want to.

  153. People hold their noses over supervisors,bosses and kin daily.

    You have no control over who your kin is and very often the same is true for your boss. The Mitt/Donald partnership were it to happen is entirely voluntary.

    The higher good is very subjective. Pfarker, for whatever reason found Muffy toxic and chose to attack her. He felt justified in doing so and Muffy had every right to object.

    Had Trump lost to Hillary, I assure you there would be conservatives blaming Romney for his take down of Trump and I assure you they would not believe Hillary’s election was the higher good being served.

  154. Whether or not Romney can serve Trump and the American people depends on how closely their FP goals line up. I think they’re trying to figure that out.

    That’s a different topic altogether. If we stipulate viewing the Trump/Romney partnership isolated from history, you’re absolutely right. Can they work together to the country’s benefit.

    I’m not saying your opinion is wrong.

    I kinda thought you were but ok.

  155. Yes, Alfie, “pliable” is a better word.

    If the Russians manipulated our election for geo- politicial gain we will soon see how flexible Trump is.

    Our new relationship could also be another Khrushev-JFK summit meeting in Austria filled with miscalculation.

  156. Tex you can’t be serious. I don’t want to go down the conspiracy brick road but campaigning that Russia isn’t all that bad,promoting a foreign policy that dovetails with Moscows agenda and considering a guy for SoS that earned a fucking Russian medal of honor doesn’t paint a Norman Rockwell moment.

    Sure I’m serious, with the understanding I was hoping Mitt Romney would be the SoS because I found him most qualified of the candidates I heard that were being considered. The CEO of Exxon Mobil came out of Left Field for me. Actually, Carly Fiorina would probably be my first choice along with Romney.

    My point is, Alfie, Hillary Rotten Clinton and Barack Obama are weak people who’ve been rolled time and again by the thug Putin. Putin’s motives are obvious. Since I don’t think Trump, Tillerson, Bolton, Guiliani weak, all would be a more difficult partner for the Russkies. 🙂 Add to the fact, 90% of the reason were in the ME to begin with is energy policy, any of the aforementioned would be better for America than a turd like Clinton or Warren to ‘man’ the helm.

  157. “Politicians understand campaigning, so hitting a reset button after the campaigning ends isn’t that difficult a concept to understand”

    Hell….most dudes can get over nasty words.

  158. Rabbit. 😆 Tell your son by the time he’s high school, this too shall change. Team Oklahoma used to be about as good as it got. How do you think OSU won all those titles? I don’t think wrestling is as popular as it was 30 years ago now, but I would guess team Oklahoma is still probably pretty good.

    Small town Oklahomans are a tough bunch. Guys by the name Johnny Bench, Jim Thorpe, Danny Hodge, Steve Owens, and Mickey Mantle come to mind.

  159. Romney spoke well of Johnson/Weld doesn’t make him bad.

    I heard someone (perhaps on Fox News) say that Romney actively supported McMullin. If he did, it went past my radar.

    This was the other thing that irked me about Mitt this season. A speech is all fine and well but the way you defeat an opponent is with an ALTERNATIVE!!! Mitt should have followed up his March speech with an endorsement of an alternative, either one of the surviving GOP’ers or McMullin. I don’t understand why he didn’t back someone to stop Trump. It was obvious by then that Trump supporters (whom Mitt was implicitly calling suckers) weren’t going to be moved by a rehash of the 1964 Reagan speech.

  160. Oh…. and the weight cutting!

    In the sixth grade? Are you kidding? My COLLEGE roommates did that shit.

    P.S. I assume you’re referring to bulking up right before the meet.

  161. “Tigre PLEASE stop defending the clearly ridiculous parts of this election. You are making a fool of yourself.”

    The fact that you can’t read is embarrassing.

    Glad you watch his show. I’ve never seen it. Doesn’t have a fucking thing to do with what I said or the questions I asked.

    Back to your couch.

  162. I actually ate a bagel with Scott Pruitt not too long ago – by luck of the draw. He was sitting beside me after church a year or two ago at Old School Bagelry. We didn’t engage in politics. 😈 I just remember him being balding and short, and thought he look ten years older than me, though he is several years younger, I think.

    I have this deluded idea of how I really look to the rest of the world. {snicker} Perpetually 35 years old. I was really shocked no one was shocked that I got a stent in my heart. 😆 Not even my mom was shocked. Everyone was so matter of fact about the deal. No one even asked me how I feel either but my cardiologist. LOL

    Something tells me this globe is going to continue spinning without me whether I like it, or not. Hell, my family may stiff me on the funeral. I looked at my stocking on the mantle last night and thought – those miserable ingrates. I built that mantle and they don’t even care. 🙂

  163. looked at my stocking on the mantle last night and thought – those miserable ingrates. I built that mantle and they don’t even care.

    That crack me up!

    Classic old man rant! Grade A.

  164. Something tells me this globe is going to continue spinning without me whether I like it, or not.

    My mom once said to me, “I’m not afraid of dying. I’m just pissed off that things will go on without me and I won’t be able to see any of it.”

  165. I built that mantle and they don’t even care. 🙂

    😆 Yeah. Sometimes dads are unappreciated. We are supposed to absorb that. Aside from the naysayers and communists that would say you didn’t build the mantel, all us dads have a mantle or spiritual covering over those we consider family. Now with a grandchild, your mantel/mantle it more significant.

    My first granddaughter had her first birthday. She totally mastered the cake. I think it got full body coverage. 🙂 Kids are the best.

  166. Ahhhh the Wiggles! My daughter went through a major Wiggles stage back in the day. We even went to a concert.

    Some of the songs were quite catchy. “Fruit salad, yummy yummy”. 😀

  167. Ok, I’m making a prediction for the near future of this forum:

    Those who will judge the Trump admin objectively:
    Huck
    Alfie
    James

    Those who will deflect all Trump discussion into an indictment of the media:
    El Tigre
    Muffy

    Those tired of politics who may henceforth be honey badgers:
    Tex Taylor
    Dead Rabbit

    Those who believe Trump is a tool of the illuminati:
    Poolman

    If you’re not on the above list, I don’t have you pegged yet. 😀

  168. Robert Baer said on CNN ( quoted on NewsBusters) that it is a fact the Russians hacked Democratic messages and used other means to defeat Hillary. Thus, we need another election.

    Tom Blumer of Newsbusters wrote Washington Post described the “fact” as an “assessment” without a consensus.”

    Blumer wrote that if we have a do over based on speculation, we should re vote the Obama-McCain election.

    Millions of dollars of illegal foreign money entered the campaign while Obamaites disabled mechanisms designed to prevent use of the money.

    The Romney-Obama race should also be redone. The IRS harassed Tea Party and other non-profit conservative organizations and individuals to weaken them. The Democrats tipped the scales to favor themselves.

    I think Blumer is merely playing with leftist logic to show it’s silliness.

    I am convinced these people are coordinating their strategy and methods as they were proven to be doing earlier with projects like Journalist.

    I am also convinced they are operating a peaceful revolutionary insurgency to overthrow the Trump administration.

    Some doubted me when I wrote that Obama was a member of a socialist party. I think I am also right now, though my only weapons are as flimsy as the assumption that Russia handed the election to Donald.

  169. Tom Blumer of Newsbusters wrote Washington Post described the “fact” as an “assessment” without a consensus.”

    James, Chuck Todd and Reince Priebus got into a shouting match today on Meet the Press as Reince dismantled the Russia favored Trump meme.

    Kim Strassel said the pushback from Trump and company is not so much an attack on the CIA as it is an attack on those who want to delegitimize the election.

  170. Our grand daughter asked to watch this video four times last Thursday before we went home. She also asked me to keep it in the computer for next week.

    She even wanted to see it before Peppa Pig.

    She knew we wouldn’t return until Tuesday and she didn’t want us to leave.

    We didn’t know she was able to lock doors at age three until she locked herself in her parents’ room.
    Her mother and I asked “Do you know you locked the door?” “Yes.” “Please open the door.” ‘No.”

    We had a tea party and she asked why I was taking pictures. ” I want to remember the fun we are having when the day comes that we don’t have tea parties again.’

    “Am I going to die?”

    She wants to call us each time it rains or snows “because I am a weather watcher.” Last Sunday, she said the snow came from stratus clouds.

    As you know, Poolman, you have a lot to look forward to.

  171. We’ve got four really cute stockings, each with a fancy Christmas hanger (my girls do it right). My son-in-law’s stocking is as cute as my wife and kids which my daughter had made last year.

    And I am sure baby boo will get the fanciest one of all come next year since they won’t be here for Christmas this year.

    Mine looks like somebody took a paint brush with glue and threw sprinkles at it on top of a padded santa looking thing. I’m surprised my name’s spelled right. This is definitely a Walgreen’s stocking, or something. 😡 I’m just noticing all these shortchanged things which I am tallying up.

  172. It is zero this morning, and we still have two to three inches of snow cover. If it survives a marginal thaw today, we will have a white Christmas, more snowfall or not.

    Unfortunately, Omaha has no snow, so we will leave my and our grand daughter’s skis at home.

    We have told our daughter to be careful what she says. She thinks her daughter is oblivious to most conversations not involving her.

    Our daughter and we talked about possible new developments in the business, and after we ate, our daughter told me in detail what she thought was going on and asked more questions.

    Their dog has cancer and though she is in good health, she will probably die by or shortly after our grand daughter’s fourth birthday. Her parents are keeping the news from her and considering chemo therapy.

    So far, they have kept our son in law’s future major surgery and long recuperation time secret until something slips out.

    Little people are watching and thinking.

  173. “My fear is that Trumps unproven as well as his proven character will have DC Apprentice Live air with him obnoxiously firing people to deflect from his failures.”

    Much as I would enjoy the pilot episode to feature that Kostiken(sp?) sonovabitch – Im optimistic about Trumps judgement, response time, and technique in this regard. I’m liking the way he settled on the right people for his campaign, going back all the way to Corey L. I’m keenly interested in changes in the VA asap.

  174. So the president-elect is an asshole for doubting the integrity of the CIA but the Senate Minority Leader isn’t an asshole for doubting the integrity of the FBI.

    I recall a bunch of Democrat senators taking a shit on the CIA, claiming it “misled the White House and Congress about the information it obtained, and failed to provide basic oversight of the secret prisons it established around the world.”

    That ancient news was 2 years ago. In 2 years Democrats have gone from “the CIA are a bunch of lying fucks” to “how fucking dare you criticize the nation’s intelligence community!!!!111”

  175. So the president-elect is an asshole for doubting the integrity of the CIA but the Senate Minority Leader isn’t an asshole for doubting the integrity of the FBI.

    Well, to be fair, the Searchlight Strangler was already an asshole for asserting Romney cheated on his taxes, despite having brought zero evidence.

  176. As I wrote, we are watching an informal peacefull insurrection to discredit the Trump administration. The sooner Congress investigates this question, the better.

  177. Obama ordered intelligence reports altered for political reasons during the ISIS conflict. This could also be politically motivated. We need more specific information.

    I read that the CIA gathers information and makes informed guesses which may or not be sufficiently reliable for a court defense.

    The FBI enforces the law and looks for evidence a judge could accept.

    Both organizations are working toward different goals, and that is how I explain their different explanations of hacking.

  178. Your problem with Mitt is you have no discernment.

    Why do you launch sweeping salvos like that, in particular to a very specific gripe that I expressed.

    What is more effective Muffy, a character take down or a character take down accompanied by a strong endorsement of an alternative?

    One reason Hillary lost was her campaign consisted of “not Trump, Trump bad, Trump followers deplorable”. She presented no affirmative ALTERNATIVE.

  179. So the president-elect is an asshole for doubting the integrity of the CIA …

    AMEN to that entire comment Huck. Repair shops have been overrun by broken hypocrisy meters lately.

  180. I read that the CIA gathers information and makes informed guesses which may or not be sufficiently reliable for a court defense.
    The FBI enforces the law and looks for evidence a judge could accept.

    I think you’ve made a very good distinction. The CIA are by definition spies – they are not law enforcement. Entirely different kettle of fish.

  181. Recount didn’t work. Time to move on to the next effort to delegitimize. What comes after that? I think EP of The Apprentice. Too many unanswered questions.

  182. Here is an example of where I’m torn on Trump:

    Trump tells Chris Wallace that he doesn’t need a daily intelligence briefing. To paraphrase: “call me if something changes”.

    At first blush – WHAT WHAT WHAT !!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    Then I take a breath and think “you know that kinda sounds like common sense.”

    The dude has no problem challenging any norm. I sorta like that but I wonder if I’m crazy to like it. 🤔🤔🤔

  183. What comes after that?

    To answer your snark seriously, the snowflakes are hoping against hope that the electors “vote their conscience” mid-December when the electoral college meets. They still think HRC has a chance.

  184. “It’s the Rooooskies!”

    I don’t get it.

    I really don’t.

    I’ve always assumed it was. Who cares? It be one thing if wikileaks was fabricated lies cooked up in Moscow… but they are not.

    I assume those assholes are hacking and fucking with us at every turn. Hence my outrage over Hillary’s private server.

    I’m lost on all of this. What a pathetic attempt to high jack the Republic by the libs.

  185. DR, I thought it was voting fraud. Nope, the Wikileaks/DNC hacks. Guys like Podesta, who gave up his password to a phishing email scam, is totally outraged. External forces exploited their stupidity and corruption!!!!

  186. what will you tell your daughter?

    Not sure I shared this but my daughter does not like Hillary. In fact just today she said “I’m kinda relieved she’s not our first woman president”.

  187. Russian Hacking of Election = Birtherism.

    Beneath the snark lies the truth. To the extent they both are attempts to delegitimize the POTUS El Tigre is exactly right.

    But I had to chuckle over the weekend when Jeannine Pirro called for the unity we all had behind Obama 8 years ago. In what fantasy was that? On his Inauguration Day, motherfuckers started conspiring to ruin his presidency.

  188. Like I said, not Carly. And maybe in 2020 Mitt will run again instead of just flapping his lips.

    P.S. Hey Muffy I’m getting a good start on “getting it wrong every time”. 😐😐😐

  189. I’m going to laugh my ass off if it’s not this guy

    Rightfully so and I will put a good dose of A-1 Steak Sauce on my crow before I eat it. But NYT does say it’s a done deal and so far every done deal on these appointments has come true.

  190. Oh I won’t be laughing at you.

    But it just reeks of Trump to leak a name to the press, say he’s announcing tomorrow, and then announce someone other than the leaked name. It would make the MSM look like idiots…which Trump loves to do (when they aren’t doing it themselves)

  191. Assange said months ago that they had emails on Hillary. Is the issue that Russia provided them to Wikileaks?

    What are we supposed to be concerned with? Cybersecurity? Didnt Russia hack the WH a few years ago?

  192. On his Inauguration Day, motherfuckers started conspiring to ruin his presidency.

    Now as I recall, it was your Klan of Kocksuckers that was serenading George Bush on his final ride with “Hey, Hey, Goodbye…” We should do the same to the failed Obama…

  193. Its creepy how sheilded Hillary is from all of the post election skullduggery. Way too Weekend at Bernies.

    As a world leader her magnitude of suck might have actually eclipsed Obammy.

  194. “But I had to chuckle over the weekend when Jeannine Pirro called for the unity we all had behind Obama 8 years ago. In what fantasy was that? On his Inauguration Day, motherfuckers started conspiring to ruin his presidency.”

    What are you talking about?

  195. A little help?

    I’m too bushed to look up a source but it’s well known that on the night of the 2009 inauguration a group of high level Republicans convened (I believe at a restaurant but I’m not sure without looking it up) to discuss how they would block any agenda put forward by Obama.

    Before you go there, I’m not screaming racism. I’m just amazed that Jeannine Pirro remembers Obama’s ascendency as some kind of kumbaya moment. That’s revisionist history to put it mildly.

  196. So Tex, two things:

    1) I was ashamed of the “na na hey hey goodbye” sendoff of Bush 43. W’s revenge is the incredible dignity with which he has conducted himself the past 8 years. In fact, my respect for the entire Bush clan: HW, W and Jeb! grows with each passing day.

    2) With that said, whether you like it or not, Obama enjoys a 50+% approval rating right now. Barring some catastrophe in the next 38 or so days, his departure will inspire tears not jeers.

    If you want to enjoy Obama’s humiliation you will have to wait for history to take its toll.

  197. “Started conspiring to ruin his presidency” and “to discuss how they would block any agenda put forward by Obama” mischaracterizes the gathering somewhat, heavy on innuendo and light on fact.

    Newt was there and gives a reasoned account. I read a few other things and the headlines, punditry, and your remarks dont match the evidentiary support.

    “Before you go there, I’m not screaming racism. I’m just amazed that Jeannine Pirro remembers Obama’s ascendency as some kind of kumbaya moment. That’s revisionist history to put it mildly.”

    I dont know what the judge said but if shes getting fed up with this post election madness shes not alone. The way the left is behaving is indefensible and beyond compare – no revisions needed. I wish it was a meeting of representatives at a restaurant that we had to put up with.

    JIC it helps –

  198. A liberal writer followed undecided voters to understand their motivations without influencing their views.

    She said “deplorables” angered voters than leaked e mails or allegations of Russian hacking. Some had voted for Obama in previous elections and resented the slur.

  199. Sarah Palin made a good nomination speech at the Republican National Convention. Her charisma matched Obama’s and she carried a photogenic history.

    A blogger wrote that two Democrats said “We have 72 hours to destroy her.”

    I’m sure Republicans had similar meetings to defeat Obama’s agenda. As Rush Limbaugh said when he hoped Obama failed, he wanted Obama’s agenda not his presidency to fail. They did want Obama to lose the next election, but that is normal politics.

    Republicans, with election victories stopped Obama’s agenda, so effectively that the president was reduced to bypassing Congress and ruling by executive order.

    Democrats are so shocked by their hubris and angered that a band of rubes, racists, and idiots stole their chosen one.

    Emotionalism and their natural fascist tendencies are leading them to do more than Republicans did. They want to discredit and so weaken the Trump administration that it becomes a hollow shell. Democrats are far more interested in Trump’s destruction than they are in defeating his policies.

    We need to investigate the Russian connection.

  200. Yeah, big shock. A War on the Working Class.

    Turns out labeling everyone racists and antagonizing the people whose votes you need is not a good strategy. Now comes the facile electoral college revolt.

    “Beneath the snark lies the truth.”

    There was no snark, merely a truism. Just pointing out matter-of-factly the usual lack of self-awareness and double standards to which the left smugly turns a blind eye.

  201. This pretty much sums it up. As I said, the bottom-feeding left creates its identity and is driven by what it perceives to be “consensus.” That’s why they talk in terms of it as conclusive (e.g. 97% of climate scientists say. . . wrong side of history. . . more than 50% love Obama. . .blah, blah blah). The reckoning rocks the left to the core.

  202. I dont know what the judge said but if shes getting fed up with this post election madness shes not alone.

    You just shifted the goal posts. The only thing I’m addressing is what the judge said, which was pure BULLSHIT. I neglected to mention in my critique that the judge had me on a roller coaster, agreeing with her one minute and totally lost the next.

    To your shifted goal post, yes you’re right. This left’s behavior has been abominable. I’m as pissed off about it as Judge Jeannine but I don’t have rose colored glasses about the welcome Barack Obama got in 2009. (P.S. The reason I even watch her “Opening Statement” is lately I find myself agreeing with most of what she says – even though I find her delivery toxic as hell.)

  203. 2) With that said, whether you like it or not, Obama enjoys a 50+% approval rating right now. Barring some catastrophe in the next 38 or so days, his departure will inspire tears not jeers.

    85% of blacks and 72% of Hispanics give Big O a positive approval skewing the results appreciably. That right there counts for over half of BO’s positive approval. So what? You’re talking specifically about the welfare class. Sorry, but that’s the demographic fact.

    So let’s talk about Obama’s real record in a nutshell. Record historical debt which he doubled, 65 million refugees walking the planet – largest number since WWII, his signature legislation failing miserably, a completely polarized country, the largest wage divide in history, 41% more people receiving welfare than when he walked in, and a completely decimated party, top to bottom.

    Hey, you rubes want to grant a huge positive approval for that, I understand why you believe Nancy Pelosi deserves to lead the minority party too. Your party couldn’t get more stupid and that is led most specifically by far and away the worst President of my lifetime. Yes, worse than Jimmy Carter, worse than LBJ.

    Face it, Rutherford. Contrary to this myth that the Left is the party of achievers, the Left is a massive oligarchy lead by a handful of incredibly rich people dragging the dregs through life for votes. There’s exceptions, you being one, but at least 75% of your party are dependents and special interests like the LGBT community.

  204. O’Reilly’s talking points were interesting last night. Hillary won 80% of the NYC vote. NYC is also going bankrupt. Hillary won 75% or so of LA; LA is also going bankrupt. The number of people living off federal welfare in both massive cities is remarkably high. Chicago is a blue island surrounded by red. It’s not far behind and Illinois is facing certain bankruptcy because of Chicago. Millions living on the dole. Even with all their power, our three largest cities can’t keep up with the entitlements.

    When these cities collapse, and that is a given, the days of Democratic power are going to get very negligible without outside funding. Chaos will ensue. That is why a vast majority of other states need to start working on an Amendment, 33 Republican governors, one independent in Alaska, need to begin to make preparations to circumvent bailing them out. Now would be the time to get protective Amendments passed.

    That’s coming sure as the sun rises. Screw all of them. They deserve to go up in flames.

  205. The Director of National Intelligence is siding with the FBI, saying that we know Russia or someone in Russia hacked the DNC, but we don’t know that their motive was to get Trump elected.

    Gabriel Malor points out that the hacking began before Trump was even the Republican nominee, and that for the motive to be about Trump, we’d have seen his GOP primary opponents also hacked.

  206. 2) With that said, whether you like it or not, Obama enjoys a 50+% approval rating right now. Barring some catastrophe in the next 38 or so days, his departure will inspire tears not jeers.

    Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.

    I know that the country hasn’t been this divided in my life before his 8 years in office, and that is his legacy.

    No matter how much our self-annointed betters insist that the Demcong Party’s drubbing is the result of fake news, or Russian hacking, or anything BUT the arrogance and incompetence of Felonia von Pantsuit’s lackluster campaign, that’s your strongest indicator of America’s “approval” of Lord Zero.

  207. And when I heard this morning that Rick Perry was the new head at the Dept. of Energy, I couldn’t have been happier is I were a three-peckered teenage boy with a fist full of $20s wandering around a convention of $10 hookers.

    I think we’re in for some real reductions in government, and the career class will be hardest hit. The smile has lasted longer than 4 hours.

  208. The day of Obama’s departure will be interesting. Yeah, he does enjoy a 50% approval rating, but what about elections? The country is very clearly split regarding his party and his liberal agenda. He came in stating he wanted to fundamentally transform America, and after 2 years of seeing how he intended to do that, Americans starting making it tougher and tougher for him to do. And each time he reacted to that challenge–often with legally questionable tactics–voters expressed disapproval the only way that mattered, at the polls.

    Democrats have been getting slaughtered in elections since 2010. Regardless of his re-election and outgoing approval ratings, at all levels of government, Americans are soundly rejecting social liberalism and The Age of Obama. So, while I’m not making any predictions, I think it would be a mistake to assume, based solely on approval ratings, that Washington DC is going to be awash with tears on Jan 19.

  209. Sadly for Obama fans the democrats themselves will be making it a point to be dry eyed as they toss BHO under the bus.
    I loved the four hour smile comment but I’m not moved by the Trump transition this far. I’m really curious where the new administration is headed in context to actual reality.
    T-Rex @ State reeks of Hamiltonian FP which I’d be cool with if a) I trusted Trump to move Congress and b) I could shake the feeling we’re seeing a huge pyramid scheme being put in place that’s going to make rich folks richer,me less so and a shit load of folks less safe.
    Domestically I think everything is one big pot of bargaining chips which could be very positive of crazy frustrating.

  210. I don’t really care who the offenders were all I know is the USA needs to get its cyber house in order STAT!
    Speculatively I’d agree that the Russians backed Russian & other individuals to go hacking with no real care for outcome. The doing was more important and more believable than actually trying to help Trump.

  211. Rutherford – I see that an Oklahoma judge blocked the “special relationship” legislation re: abortion doctors and hospitals. The more I look at the putative Trump administration, the happier I am. They couldn’t care less about such distractions as abortion, or those “sinners” known as faggots, or whether you tie your girl up before you spank her; they have bigger fish to fry than worrying about “morals.” Nice to see grownups coming on line who grep the concept of “priority.” I think black folks will like it, too; it’s time to get off the Democrat plantation. I saw Kanye West communing with The Man in earlier news. Good on them both. Hold on, R – help is coming! I see good things ahead. PF

  212. I see that an Oklahoma judge blocked the “special relationship” legislation

    Someone must have an automated Google query on his name since I just mentioned him within the past 48 hours.

    Pfesser, you may finally get the GOP you’ve been looking for – social values be damned. Show me the money. 😀

  213. Doesn’t really matter what your pro abortion judges do, Pfesser. 🙂 Besides, the Oklahoma Supreme Court is on its way out. People hate them down here and when the time comes, names are being taken. They’ll be tossed like a piece of shit paper.

    See it really doesn’t matter what you butchers demand. We’re shutting the clinics down as you bellow. 😈

    No more murdering for you, Doc. Tiller is dead. Good riddance.

  214. OK, I can fathom an international businessman for Sec. of State, but can someone explain to me the validity of this “Carly Fiorina for Dir. of National Intelligence” stuff I’ve been hearing?

  215. R: “Show me the money.”, “… you may finally get the GOP you’ve been looking for – social values be damned.”

    re: money – Done. The Dow is up 14.7% for the year; by my calculations about 8.5% since election day.

    re: social values: preaching is not the government’s job. Get that from your parents or your church. The govt’s job is to protect the weak from the strong and let the market take its course otherwise.

  216. “Carly Fiorina for Dir. of National Intelligence” stuff I’ve been hearing?

    I believe Carly said while campaigning for POTUS that she had been asked by the government on several occasions to consult on cyber security.

  217. So I have a comment which may simultaneously please both PF and Tex, unlikely though that may seem.

    Pfesser, I couldn’t agree more that the gov needs to stop worrying about who wants to fuck whom as well as matters between a woman, her doctor and her spiritual advisor.

    HOWEVER

    Tex you know where the pro-choice folks went wrong? When they started talking casually and dismissively about life in the womb.

    Last night I wanted to punch Samantha Bee square in the face when she started MOCKING a fetus whose heart had just started beating. As long as the pro-choice crowd recognized abortion as a tragic choice, they got a modicum of sympathy from me. But when they smugly treat human life like dirt, they lose me.

  218. That was a field goal, sonny.

    LOL You know Muffy, there was a time I thought you were a grand hoax being perpetrated on me by Tex Taylor but lately you resemble Tigre more than anyone.

  219. As long as the pro-choice crowd recognized abortion as a tragic choice, they got a modicum of sympathy from me. But when they smugly treat human life like dirt, they lose me.

    If it’s not the government’s place as Pfesser attests, and I agree, then cancel Roe V. Wade – because that is judicial activism at its dead level lowest.

    This younger generation is waking up to what permissive people are demanding to allow. Here’s a damn good homily about abortion and Catholics. Finally, people are starting to speak up. Definitely worth 19 minutes of anyone’s time where it concerns the church and abortion.

    There are always going to be Pfessers with us. But if you’re going to call yourself Christian, then a stand must be taken.

  220. Unlike Trevor Noah, Bee is the true heir to Jon Stewart with some Red Bull poured on top.

    I always liked her way with words but in the aftermath of the Trump election she’s joining a bunch of libs who are pissing me off.

  221. Captain Conundrum never considered that Tex may be a grand hoax being played on him by Tigre.

    ** GUFFAW ** And all this time…

  222. If this ends up being for real and Trump can foster what is discussed in this clip then the Democratic party will cease to exist.

  223. What I respect the most about that is he said when campaigning he was going to reach out and try to help the black community. That they have been used and taken advantage of by the left…kept down so they could be given trinkets. And he was called a racist for suggesting (pointing out the fact) they live in ghettos. Now the election is over and it appears he is moving forward with what he said.

  224. Saw that too, Huck. But I’m still reminded that 90% of blacks voted for Hillary. If Trump could bring that to just 75%, he would cause irreparable damage to the Dimocratic Party.

  225. I am going to continue to be critical of him and even call him an idiot when I think he is being one. And I welcome him proving me wrong every time. If he can do us some good, we need all we can get.

  226. Huck I’m with you but blacks are so conditioned to believe their problems are unique and that if they are not addressed specifically then there is racism going on.

    Bernie Sanders message was for everybody but blacks dismissed him because he focused on class, not race. I think it was Booker T. Washington who said black grievance was a cottage industry. The race hustlers will see to it that blacks cannot hear Trumps message no matter how much it may actually help them.

  227. Tex, the homily was moving and quite frankly reliant on good old secular logic. 😉

    If there is a backlash against abortion in this country it will be well deserved by the liberals who took the argument too far.

    I always felt liberals kinder, less judgmental and more compassionate. I don’t understand how that changed. They are increasingly hard to support. Their kindness and compassion has been replaced by arrogance and condescension.

    This election has caused an existential crisis in Rutherford Lawson. It’s hard to be on the losing team when we deserve to lose.

  228. I hadnt seen that other one but this caught my ear earlier. It doesnt have what that other clip has but its informative.

    I think Trump is thinking he wants to put people like Jim Brown and his connections to havenots together with private sector haves like Bill Gates.

  229. Amazon Video has added the documentary series, The Prize, to its collection. It is a fantastic and pretty comprehensive documentary on the history of oil. Long episodes, but worth the time investment in my opinion.

  230. Those reporters were trying their hardest to get those guys off message and not a one of them was having any part of it. Good stuff.

  231. One day I want to read a book about the Trump Tower/President Elect era. I just saw the Naked Cowboy guy walking in the background of that clip. Kayne was there the other day. Romney.

    Here is something that I don’t believe gets talked about enough. Trump’s work ethic must be powered by a mitochondria organelle the size of Atlantic City. He outworked vile and entitled Hillary for the win.

    For better or worse, Trump won’t be golfing the presidency away, I assure you that.

  232. Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts.

    Rutherford: Nothingburger because somehow Trump still squeeked out a victory.

    My state will be taking measures to stop, once and for all, the massive cheating that takes place in heavily Democrat areas. Thank you Jill Stein. Hopefully the rest of the country does too.

  233. “It is hard to be on the losing team.” Rutherford, with due respect, you have been blind all of these years. I have ranted about how anti- war liberals lifted the scales from my eyes, and I have told you that modern pro -veteran sentiments and other conservative lip service now are for them a politically correct necessity. Underneath, they are the same people they have been for most of their lives.

    It will change with opportunities.If the atmosphere becomes safe, these people will show their true colors again. Even now, anti -Trump critics are charging that Trump is creating a military junta in the White House.

    These infantile victims are not true Americans. They are our ideological enemies and deserve to be crushed with opprobium and scorn while they are still weakened.

    Sarah Palin told a West Virginia crows that it was good to be with true Americans. Critics roasted her, but she was right. As Sofia Jannok stated, they are foreign occupiers.

    Shadenfrede is one of the best parts of the German part of our family heritage. I am so happy I might post another Sofia Jannok video, or maybe not.

  234. James,

    Rutherford is a product of his upbringing. I’m not dissing his parents – they were a product of it too. This myth about Dimocrats being for the little guy. This goes all the way back to WWII and FDR’s New Deal crap. Then the corruption unions carried the message along with LBJ buying votes while entrapping folks in poverty with The Great Society.

    I know many Democrats who are not comfortable with the D Party social mores, but have spent a lifetime as members of unions or rural America – blue dogs. Hell, Oklahoma used to be one of the most Democratic of States. If the Democratic Party were still Harry Truman, I probably would be one. Several of these folks I know have changed their political affiliation to Independent or even Republican the last 20 years.

    It’s a hard lesson to learn when one begins to recognize your lifeline perceptions were based on a pack of lies and a false narrative.

  235. Late on the last day of the campaign Trump added a 6th and final rally in MI and the team tweeted it out. With only a few hours notice and a start time of around 1am 30,000 people showed up. He joked that night that Clinton was sleeping peacefully.

    And now the Dems can’t process losing.

    Something tells me that when little rabbit is big he will be able to process losing, yo.

  236. I hope Trump isn’t considering McCain for the VA. Unless Trump is going to tell him to shut up and work.

    PS…I’d like Pete Hegseth just in case Trump reads the RL blog between meetings and thank you rallys.

  237. It’s a hard lesson to learn when one begins to recognize your lifeline perceptions were based on a pack of lies and a false narrative.

    Yes. Most don’t ever go there out of fear. We prefer comfortable and hold to tradition.

  238. “Time for John McCain to be put to pasture with the Fat Granny Nags…”

    Aye. The only acceptable alternative is put him to work. My misgivings are that’s a gamble with the lives of vets, a good pick is delayed, and what happens to Big Mouth’s seat? Is his seat even reliable though? I don’t know the answers to the vacancy issue.

    Give BM a time frame of 1 year to show massive turnaround
    BM has to work hard for the money instead of talk lots
    Fire BM if he fails
    Puts BM on the spot right away to put up or shut up. If BM turns it down what does that say?
    Hopefully less microphone time overall for BM – everybody wins
    BM is a bad influence on Graham. They can’t sit together anymore.

  239. Speaking of fake news….

    WASHINGTON — The government agency that signed a lease with Donald Trump to build his pricey new Washington, D.C. hotel says he must give up his financial stake or be in breach of his lease when he becomes president, according to House Democrats.

    “The General Services Administration, which signed the lease with Trump on the Trump International Hotel that sits just blocks from the White House, said in a Dec. 8 briefing that Trump “must divest himself not only of managerial control, but of all ownership interest as well,” top Democrats on the House Oversight Committee and Transportation Committee wrote in a Wednesday letter to the agency.”

    Except, according to the GSA, they’ve said nothing of the sort.

    GSA does not have a position that the lease provision requires the President-elect to divest of his financial interests. We can make no definitive statement at this time about what would constitute a breach of the agreement, and to do so now would be premature.”

  240. I hope this is not personally offensive to Huck, and I think he is the only California resident here. I realize there are million of great Californians but they are greatly outnumbered by the welfare state.

    I’m actually hoping for this CalExit and in fact am encouraging it. I’ve got a multitude of reasons, but my number 1 reason is losing California itself would make the Democratic Party completely irrelevant.

    Would appear to me the upside is far and away greater than the downside, perhaps even providing a one-time payment for relocation for those wishing to leave California.

    Cut the ties completely.

  241. Got that right, Huck. About 30 miles island would do the trick for most of the state…at least that was my experience, minus San Diego, which I understand has changed too since I was there in the mid 90s.

  242. General McInerney has convinced me that TRex is the best choice for the times.

    LOL. Like Muffy needed any convincing. I haven’t seen any critical “discernment” from her regarding Trump since he got elected. The branding expert has his name tattooed on her arm. 😀

  243. america-is-held-hostage-by-flyover-states

    I didn’t click the link but probably don’t need to. Why should America be held hostage by New York and California? Unless the underlying article refutes the title, its offensive.

  244. I watched Bernie in a townhall Monday night. I know everyone here disagrees but he could have beaten Trump.

    Fuck Hillary and her supporters too. Popular vote be damned, they tossed the WH in the toilet. 😡

  245. “I watched Bernie in a townhall Monday night. I know everyone here disagrees but he could have beaten Trump.”

    That depends on how he would have run his campaign. It’s coming out now that Team Hillary handcuffed its underlings and ignored good advice because they thought they had the electoral vote in the bag and started focusing more on the popular vote and on getting Trump to waste funds.

    Frankly, I’m not convinced Bernie could have beaten Trump. He couldn’t beat Hillary while being handed the same disadvantages Trump had while still beating her.

  246. Frankly, I’m not convinced Bernie could have beaten Trump.

    This ignores the fact Democrats were their own worst enemy this year. They could have run a populist vs populist campaign and went establishment instead. Colossal stupidity.

  247. I can’t even imagine how badly Donald Trump would have decimated Bernie Sanders in a head-to-head debate. Even the most qualified candidate in the history of mankind was reduced to “he stood behind me too long”.

    I didn’t watch any of the Democrat debates, but all I heard about him was kissing Hillary’s ass and being tired of hearing about Emails.

    This is not sarcasm, but what did Bernie do that Hillary didn’t that makes you think he’d have outmatched Trump?

  248. Bernie didn’t spark enough excitement with the right people. Running populist vs populist rather than establishment vs populist assumes the Democrat establishment would have still been energized to support the Democrat populist.

    I see no reason to assume that.

  249. but what did Bernie do that Hillary didn’t that makes you think he’d have outmatched Trump?

    Bernie’s “high road” primary campaign defied all understanding. But in the general all Hillary had was Trump is bad. Any ideology she professed, she stole from Bernie and since she couldn’t do it believably, she didn’t do it much.

    On the other hand, for every minute that Bernie talked about Trump being a “pathological liar” he would have spent five minutes on policy and unlike Hillary, folks would have known he meant it.

    Truth be told Bernie’s class warfare matched Donald’s. So he would have been Donald without the constant verbal faux pas.

    I can’t swear he would have beaten him but I think he stood a damn good chance. It would have been two native New Yorkers going after each other. Damn, it would have been fun. And yes, I would gladly have voted for the Bern!

  250. Excitement wasn’t the issue. Hillary is a criminal. That was something a few people have problem with. Bernie pretended to be genuine and compassionate. Turned out he was neither. Trump was selected and turns out he can be used as a means to an end. Get ready for unbridled privatization.

  251. Bernie would have lost. He was a more attractive personality than Hillary, but his idealogy would have defeated him. Trump’s brand of pseudo conservatism is more traditionally American than Bernie’s socialism.

    Trump was elected, not selected. Hillary’s popular margin came from only a few liberal counties. The Electoral College is what counts, and Trump won.

  252. Tex, I agree about the power of lies and false narratives to create a core identity. We are watching a national psychological experiment.

  253. Our son and daughter in law live in California. Were it not for his good computer-related job, paid up house and his wife’s relatives, they would move elsewhere. They may anyway. The company is gradually sending more employees to Texas.

  254. It’s looking like the story about the boy dying in Santa’s arms might be fake news, too. The paper that originally reported it decided AFTER the fact to try and confirm the story. Turns out…they can’t.

  255. The Electoral College is what counts, and Trump won.

    True – for now. There is lots of rumbling about a very weird electoral college meeting next Monday. At least one elector has indicated he will not honor his commitment to Trump. There is pressure for the EC to consider the supposed Russian tampering in their vote Monday.

    Am I saying it is likely the EC will not make Trump the POTUS? Of course not. But this has been a crazy year. Don’t dismiss any possibility. (I think if Trump gets about 30 defectors he’s in trouble.)

  256. James, Sanders would have won Wisconsin. That leaves Michigan and PA. I say he would have gotten out more black and youth vote in Michigan than HRC. I’m not confident about Pennsylvania.

  257. But how many states that Hillary won would have have failed to carry?

    Bernie would have gotten every dedicated Democrat plus every person who held their nose when they voted for Hillary. In other words, every state won by Hillary would have gone to Bernie. That leaves us with Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Plus, Bernie might have won Florida.

  258. In other words, every state won by Hillary would have gone to Bernie. That leaves us with Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Plus, Bernie might have won Florida.

    I don’t agree. The primary results are not the same as gen election votes. Even if Sanders won Wisconsin and Michigan he could easily have lost Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota and New Hampshire. With the exception of Nevada, Sanders did get the others in the primary, that’s totally different than a head-to-head, especially when it comes to populists IMO. All of those states were a slender, slender take for the dems, and Bernie’s a total freak of nature and anti-establishment. I think you’re mistaken to think that a vote for Hillary translates into a vote for the freak of nature in the general.

  259. That’s fine Tigre. It’s all conjecture.

    On another note, I’m beginning to wonder if it’s not a bad idea to run the country like a business. I’m hearing Trump had a productive meeting with tech executives yesterday.

  260. “Steve Rattner said on Morning Joe today that iPhones can’t be made in the USA. Why the fuck not???”

    Because they’d cost $8,000 apiece! 😆

  261. “On another note, I’m beginning to wonder if it’s not a bad idea to run the country like a business.”

    You know, that’s not entirely another note. Something else that drove the election: J-O-B-S.

    The Sanders platform is the antithesis of jobs. Hillary didn’t quite hit it, but she didn’t label herself a socialist either.

    Although it is funny that on a policy level, Trump may have had more in common with Sanders than Sanders did with Hillary.

  262. “That’s fine Tigre. It’s all conjecture.”

    Just addressing Huck’s question calling for conjecture. Sorry to have conjected.

  263. “Just addressing Huck’s question calling for conjecture. Sorry to have conjected.”

    Which was in response to Rutherford’s originally conjected conjecture.

  264. Kind of vacant to speculate on Sanders myriad of would’ve,could’ve, should’ve without also pondering whether Trump would’ve run the race the same given a different opponent.
    FWIW I think Sanders would’ve been beaten worse than Hillary losing both the EC and Popular vote.

  265. Alfie, I think what is more important at this point is whether your conjecture is conjecting on what I conjected or Rutherford’s original conjected conjecture.

    I guess this is how we rack up 800+ comment strings….

  266. So word is Facebook’s “Fake News” policy is going to involve users flagging content as “fake news” and then fact checkers will check it out. Proposed “fact checkers” include Politifact, which went from calling “if you like your plan you can keep your plan” true in 2008 to Lie of the Year in 2013.

  267. I don’t get why folks love to hate on Sanders because he was actually honest and upfront about his vision for a nanny state.

    All I’ll say is this. If folks were swayed by a pussy grabber they can be swayed by a “socialist”.

    I did leave a key piece out of my analysis. PUMA’s are some angry spiteful beeyatches. They’d sooner vote for Trump or not vote at all to avenge Hillary’s primary loss. So, maybe you guys are right. The nasty Clintonistas might have cost Bernie both the popular and the EC.

    LOL I’ll enjoy watching the so called feminists stew for the next 4 years. (Steinem famously said female Bernie voters were trying to please their men. Yeah some feminist she was.)

  268. Pure conjecture, but I’ll wager the Facebook so-called “fact checking” will backfire. People will grow to resent such patronizing bullshit, particularly coming from the biased sources that are supposed to act as the arbiters of truth.

  269. Now that Obama is so sure the Russians tampered with the election (based on info known prior to the election but only important now), what will be his response to Russia? He must take action, right?

  270. I don’t know why folks love to hate on the Rent is too Damn High Guy for being honest and upfront about his vision for dealing with damn high rent.

  271. Yeah, I like how Facebook is using obvious left-wing outlets like Politifact to arbiter what is fake news and what is not. This will blowup in Facebook’s Face before it starts…

    Huck listed one – I’ll list another Politifact got busted for shilling and lying, calling Trump’s claim of Hillary Clinton wanting “open borders” mostly false.

    In a private, paid speech to a Brazilian bank on May 16, 2013, Clinton said: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

    The media can’t get away with propaganda anymore and it is killing them. I smell that insufferable Sheryl “Rotten Shill” Sandberg and her foul odor on this one.

  272. LOL. Tex, you’re right. I have to start watching Tucker Carlson. The clips I’ve seen of the liberal media dipshits are hi-larious.

  273. Gloria Steinem and her allies are political whores. They proved themselves during Bill Clinton’s mass sexual assault attacks. They would be worthy of more respect if they sold their wares on street corners, but now the wizened old hags would attract only the blind.

  274. The Daily Mail shows Hillary looking glum as she arrived at what was expected to be her victory Christmas party celebration. Some of her rich donors don’t look very happy.

    As I wrote before, this collection of human garbage is attempting to subvert our Constitution in a peaceful insurrection with their latest attempt to alter the electoral vote.

    They would weaken our president and our government and put us at risk for their own selfish goals. Their history ranges from their abandonment of South Vietnam, to disrespecting our veterans to wanting our soldiers die to win an election against Bush and to make unconnected citizens suffer economically on the alter of political correctness.

    Obama is a fading joke. I believe Putin instead of the professional vacationer posing as our president.

  275. James, as usual a bit over the top on Obama.

    The Clinton camp is using every excuse in the book to avoid admitting their failure.

    Lib journalists are lying about RNC server being hacked. FBI told Priebus there was no hack. But RNC hack is central to the Putin got Trump elected BULLSHIT.

  276. I heard that someone in bernie’s camp released the clinton emails. There is no trace of a trail of any hacking from russia. Who knows what is really true with all the competing fake news networks. I do know that truth will take them all down. It is ironic they conspired and began this latest meme.

  277. That would be hilarious. Bernie in public stating he’s tired of hearing about Emails, while in private having his team hack and leak Emails.

    I could almost respect that.

  278. Clinton camp already explained

    No need to delve further… {snort} The “Clinton Camp” explains a lot of things retroactively, don’t they?

  279. I could almost respect that.

    It certainly makes more sense. I have followed politics long enough to know what is said in public is generally 180 degrees from what is done in private. It has become a sure gauge. It is also congruent with our fp and military strategy. I expect most folks are catching on or at least see the fog.

  280. “Nine minutes of my life wasted…”

    Yeah. Nine minutes away from your bong and Sandy Hook parking space research. What a loss. 😆

  281. Here’s a news flash, Poolman….we all know that politicians are liars.

    We just don’t think they crash planes into their own buildings.

  282. If you know that, why do you repeat what they say as fact?
    I don’t think they crash planes into their own buildings either.
    We have military and media magic for those effects.

  283. Are we the only nation that supports its liars with our time, money, and power? Probably not, but we are certainly up there in terms of devotion. Our dedication to bullshit is monumental. The lies are greatly fortified and enforced. The history we are taught (still) is completely fabricated.

    A few of the things still taught in our institutions in which I no longer believe:

    The earth is a globe spinning around the sun in the vastness of space
    That we’ve ever put any human being physically on our moon
    That this land mass was discovered by columbus in 1492
    That pearl harbor was a real sneak attack

  284. One thing is certain from the last 12 months….James Comey is the most inept and confused jackass in the history of United States law enforcement.

  285. Obama says he personally told Putin to stop hacking us.

    Does he not understand how much of a weak failure it makes him look to state that and then turn around and contend that Putin didn’t listen?

    Evidently, it takes more than strongly-worded tweets to get a foreign country to alter its behavior.

    What a fucking joke this guy is. Good riddance

  286. Russia invades US ally Ukraine–Obama does nothing

    Russia moves into Syria–Obama does nothing

    Russia bombs US base in Syria–Obama does nothing

    Russia antagonizes US warships–Obama does nothing

    Russia antagonizes US warplanes–Obama does nothing

    Russia hacks US computers–Obama calls Putin and says “cut it out or I’ll do something”

    Russia continues to hack US computers–Obama does nothing (because he thinks Hillary will win)

    Hillary loses–OMFG!!!!!1111 Russia hacked us, i’m gonna get all wee-wee’d up and do something!!!!1111

  287. Obama claims his threats to Vladi brought an end to the Russian “cyber intrusion into the US election.” If that’s true, yet we’re to believe this intrusion lost Hillary the election, then why did Obama wait so long to issue the threat?

    Are people really stupid enough to believe this bullshit?

  288. On the bright side, the more Democrats ignore the basic truth–that they nominated a weak candidate–the better the chance they will repeat that mistake in the future. Their leadership selections thus far supports that idea.

  289. Just last night Hillary was saying that Russia and James Comey cost her the election.

    Today James Comey is saying Russia cost her the election.

    After her comments, how are we to not assume Comey is simply trying to deflect blame for Hillary losing the election?

  290. Evidently, it takes more than strongly-worded tweets to get a foreign country to alter its behavior.

    Poor choice of words Huck. The Donald does the tweeting and will probably continue to do so.

  291. Then again, James Comey hasn’t actually said Russia cost Hillary the election. The head of the CIA is saying James Comey says Russia cost Hillary the election. Which just happens to be the same thing the CIA and the President are saying.

  292. “Poor choice of words Huck. The Donald does the tweeting and will probably continue to do so.”

    So how is that a poor choice of words? Have I somehow given the indication I will approve when Trump engages in Twitter diplomacy?

  293. Please tell me you’re not saying you think the solar system is a hoax!!!

    Sure, why not? Sounds crazy to your trained brain, I’m certain. I no longer believe we are on a blue marble spinning at some 70,000 miles per hour, wobbling on an axis and circling a ball of fire we call the sun with 2 other globes between it and us known as mercury and venus. I tend to the fixed earth with a magnetic north center and outer boundary contained in ice we know as a continent called Antarctica that supports what has been defined as the firmament.

    In other words, the scriptural account.

  294. In other words, the scriptural account.

    Tex I swear I’m not mocking you. You know scripture and believe it. Can you serve as a bridge from my reality to Poolman’s. I am blown away.

  295. So Poolman what do you see when you look at the sun? An illusion?

    First of all, it is difficult to look directly at the sun. It takes much getting use to. Some can do it but it has taken them many years of practice. I can see and feel the sun. It is not an illusion. It moves across the sky just like the stars do. They all do a circular trip around the north ‘pole’.

  296. Just ask yourself, Rutherford. If the earth was a spinning globe, how come the flight from LA to NYC takes the same amount of time at the same speed whether you are coming or going?

    There’s the illusion.

  297. If the earth was a spinning globe, how come the flight from LA to NYC takes the same amount of time at the same speed whether you are coming or going?

    Poolman, by that logic every time my daughter jumps in the air at a gymnastics meet she should slam into the gym wall as the gym affixed to the ground spins while she’s in the air. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

  298. “Just ask yourself, Rutherford. If the earth was a spinning globe, how come the flight from LA to NYC takes the same amount of time at the same speed whether you are coming or going?

    There’s the illusion.”

    LOL. Holy fuck.

  299. Poolman, by that logic every time my daughter jumps in the air at a gymnastics meet she should slam into the gym wall as the gym affixed to the ground spins while she’s in the air.

    Sure. But whose logic are you questioning? Imagine her outside the gym, away from any containment (as to not skew your result). Why doesn’t she always land west of where she jumps off? Or explain what you know about centrifugal force? 🤔🤔🤔

  300. “if the earth was a spinning globe, how come the flight from LA to NYC takes the same amount of time at the same speed whether you are coming or going?”

    It doesn’t take the same amount of time. The difference is because of the jet stream.

    Maybe you don’t believe in time, either, because that’s the only way this bullshit claim becomes reality.

  301. That makes it even more mysterious, Huck, if ideed the planet is spinning. Aerodynamics measures drag and that accounts for the time added alone. The jetstream seems to add a little over an hour to that flight going west. Yet the earth (the surface below) is supposedly spinning toward you at an estimated 1000+ mph the minute you get off the ground in NYC, IF the spinning globe true.

  302. The stars and planets exist. I don’t agree with the heliocentric model that western institutions teach as fact. I have gone to believing the earth is fixed, like scripture declares. Look at any time lapse of the stars and you can see they all rotate and seem to pivot around what we call the north star.

  303. Here’s another tell. This site tracks all planes in flight in real time:

    https://www.flightradar24.com/-45,-27.23/3

    Pan out. Follow the planes as they travel. Maybe watch the Sao Paulo to Johannesburg flight disappear and eventually reappear over Africa. There are no flights going over the vast ocean in the southern hemisphere which would be the shortest distance if we were truly on a globe. Plenty over the northern ocean. Things that point to a flat earth.

    The UN logo depicts the flat earth as does this illustration:

  304. The first link was a fail because if did not account for centrifugal force, rather a force in motion. Spinning and moving in a single direction are not one in the same. It also failed to explain how we, on the surface, are like people inside a contained bus. I will try your next link…

  305. The second link was no better. It makes the reality of a spinning planet less feasible. I claims that the planet is spinning at 1000 and the plane on the ground too. Okay. Then it says to go against the spin, the plane just accelerates:

    “When it takes off, it still has speed from sitting on the ground. In order to fly east, the plane increases its speed relative to the surface of the Earth and begins to overtake it. Flying west it decreases its speed relative to the surface of the Earth, and the Earth slips by.” [emphasis mine]

    So, if the earth is spinning at 1000 mph, how fast does this plane need to go to overtake the earth???

    These links are proving my point. I will try the 3rd…

  306. The third link tells me the air is moving with the planet. Yet that makes no sense, since the air is also said to be moved along by the very obvious and previously mentioned jet stream. And, if we on the surface are supposedly moving at 1000 mph, anything above us would move faster based on the distance from the earth’s core. Planes traveling at 35,000 feet above sea level would experience air traveling WELL in excess of 1000 mph,

  307. I’m watching a replay of Trump’s Orlando rally and honestly he looks “low energy”. He’s giving the audience polling questions. “Made in America or made in the USA”. Then he asks “man of the year or person of the year”.

    I’m like a yo-yo. One day Trump looks on fire and then the next I’m thinking “holy shit, we’re in big trouble”.

  308. In my six years of coming here my thinking has changed regarding many things. Flat earth has been intentionally ridiculed by the establishment for my entire lifetime. I think it has been a joke.

  309. I’m catching up on videos in the discussion (I don’t see them in my WP app).

    1) The flat earth singer should be sued by Jagger/Richards for copyright infringement.

    2) Newts answer to Rev Al was incoherent.

    3) Tucker made Kurt look like a mental patient. Carlson has mastered the forever-young looking smart aleck whose entire demeanor screams “you don’t impress me.” While I think Jon Stewart’s guest appearance on Crossfire effectively killed the show, I’m sure many conservatives were tickled to death with the way Tucker handled Jon.

  310. That guy made himself look like a mental patient. Carlson did nothing other than read tweet as he was challenged to do. That guy’s fucked in the head.

  311. I am watching that Stewart/Crossfire clip. A couple minutes in and the first thing that strikes me is Stewart making fun of Bowtie comparing their politics show to a comedy show.

    Yet, years later it comes out that millions of Americans turn to Stewart’s show as their primary source for politics. And I don’t recall John Stewart mocking and marginalizing that like he does here.

  312. The interesting thing about that clip was how transparently Stewart went on that show to be a prick. He had no interest in answering questions and was even hostile to Begala. If you agreed with his premise, you LOVE the clip. If you don’t, Stewart came off as an asshole.

    Truth is Stewart might as well have been Tigre who advocates turning off both Fox and MSNBC (and CNN for that matter).

  313. Yet, years later it comes out that millions of Americans turn to Stewart’s show as their primary source for politics.

    Stewart used the “I’m just comedy” excuse when it suited his purposes.

  314. It’s always interesting how the media uses language to subliminally influence public thought.

    Lately I’ve been hearing the phrase “Russia and Putin hacked the election”. To the average listener this implies tampering with voting machines. The MSM knows that’s a lie but they don’t change their language from “hacked” to “influenced”. Is it sloppy use of language or a deliberate attempt to mislead?

  315. Is it sloppy use of language or a deliberate attempt to mislead?
    It is a deliberate attempt to mislead although I highly doubt it rises to the level of turn of the 20th Century Yellow Journalism. I don’t believe it is orchestrated in concert with Obama’s failed foreign policy rants and it isn’t meant to dovetail with any type of anti-Russian jingoism. All in all it is another rusty a flawed nail in the platform to discredit Trump.

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