The Trump Election: A Tale of Two White Americas

In composing the title of this post, I just typed “The Trump Election”, as in Donald Trump, reality TV star elected leader of the free world. Give me a moment please.

Ok, I’m back. I just needed a minute to be sure I haven’t lost my mind. Yes, it really happened. Enough folks in the right states voted for Donald Trump and on January 20, 2017 he will be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States of America. Social media is bursting with emotion – everything from elation to panic, anger and despair. But two articles that crossed my path particularly intrigued me. They portray two very different versions of American whites, Trump’s largest contingent.

On the one hand, we have Shelby Steele, a black conservative thought leader who wrote a piece published in the Wall Street Journal. His basic premise is that liberals constantly demand that Americans atone for perceived sins against minorities and that anyone who does not atone, or give deference, is condemned as a racist or misogynist or a member of Hillary’s “basket of deplorables”. Steele asserts that Trump has tapped into people’s desire to stop atoning, to stop being guilted into deferring to supposedly abused minorities.

Deference has been codified in American life as political correctness. And political correctness functions like a despotic regime. It is an oppressiveness that spreads its edicts further and further into the crevices of everyday life. We resent it, yet for the most part we at least tolerate its demands. But it means that we live in a society that is ever willing to cast judgment on us, to shame us in the name of a politics we don’t really believe in. It means our decency requires a degree of self-betrayal.

And into all this steps Mr. Trump, a fundamentally limited man but a man with overwhelming charisma, a man impossible to ignore. The moment he entered the presidential contest America’s long simmering culture war rose to full boil. Mr. Trump was a non-deferential candidate. He seemed at odds with every code of decency. He invoked every possible stigma, and screechingly argued against them all. He did much of the dirty work that millions of Americans wanted to do but lacked the platform to do.

On the other hand, we have Patrick Thornton who works behind the scenes at Roll Call and is less sympathetic to the contingent Steele is talking to. In his piece, Thornton suggests that rural whites are in a bubble.

To pin this election on the coastal elite is a cop-out. It’s intellectually dishonest, and it’s beneath us.

We, as a culture, have to stop infantilizing and deifying rural and white working-class Americans. Their experience is not more of a real American experience than anyone else’s, but when we say that it is, we give people a pass from seeing and understanding more of their country. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive.

Thornton is informed by the people he grew up with in Ohio. He calls for empathy from all sides but he says rural America isn’t empathizing with those outraged by Trump’s victory because they literally don’t know the people Trump has offended.

I think both authors make valid points. We liberals have become incredibly arrogant in our belief of moral superiority to the conservative. We mock them. We insult them. During the Trump campaign we lied about them, over and over. Trump, for example, never called Mexicans rapists. Nor did he ever call all immigrants rapists. He said, in his very blunt manner. that some Mexicans entering our country illegally were committing crimes. This got distorted and a lie told often enough becomes the truth. When Hillary stepped over the line and attacked Trump’s followers instead of his ideas, she confirmed what every conservative thinks of liberals – that we are condescending, judgmental pricks.

However, I believe it is also true that a segment of America, mostly white, blames folks they don’t really know for the predicament they find themselves in. As Thornton puts it, “When you grow up in rural America, denying rights to people is an abstract concept. Denying marriage rights to gay people isn’t that much different than denying boarding rights to Klingons.” When you don’t actually know any Muslims, it is easy to accept banning them from the country to ease your fear of terrorism.

This dual view of America played out in a heated debate on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Friday when Michael Moore, of all people, said rust belt Americans are tired of being screwed over and want a fresh face to deliver them from their problems. The media elites just don’t get it. On the other side, New York Times columnist Anand Giridharadas said that empathy must be a two way street and the rust belt needs to understand the fears of the Muslim, or the pro-choice woman.

I’m not here to advocate for either position. I think the Trump candidacy and victory speak to the fragile social state of our country. It is complicated. Blame laying is just too easy. Surely, true bigots and misogynists are not to be tolerated in civil society but you can’t label everyone with whom you disagree a bigot or misogynist. Van Jones talks about a whitelash. I don’t think Jones is completely honest about the nature of that whitelash. In her deplorables remark, Hillary showed her contempt for a large segment of America who is tired of being the punching bag for America’s problems. To them, that is not a “great America” and they’re hoping Donald can make America great again.

What do you think? The bar is open.
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936 thoughts on “The Trump Election: A Tale of Two White Americas

  1. This jaded working class anti hero stuff is now being over played. They voted against Hillary because she should have been indicted and is corrupt just as much as they voted for the guy who refused to be bullied by leftist fascism.

    They voted against the absurd lying over the last 8 years. Fucking crazy lying.

    The hypocrisy. The lies. The corruption of an entire administration.

    And lastly, the horrible results of the Obama presidency, itself.

    All of these things weighed into this election.

    That being said, you act like Deplorable Nation finally got sick of getting picked on at middle school lunch. These labels of “racist” etc. have been used as a blunt instrument to completely shut people up. I know being offended is the worst thing ever for a leftist. But the real shitty deal is being politically castrated. Those days are over. And your violent brethren in the street aren’t going to change that.

    And by the way…yes….we are supposed to tolerate true bigots and misogynists in America.

    Hell….if you’re the right kind of bigot…say a Muhammed Ali, you’re even celebrated!

  2. Trump is on the shortest leash I’ve ever seen a President on. Nobody is idol worshipping him that I know. I know I’m not. Now that is a great thing about this election result. Thank God it didn’t go the other way.

  3. Elitism is still on display by this Patrick Thornton, who works off the false premise that lesbian soccer moms and Muslims have been discriminated against, or somehow deserve special sympathies. I can make a good case, it is much the other way as the aggressors in the battle of culture have been both the elites and these fringe groups. Just ask North Carolina.

    When you start demanding the government and the courts change individual moral conscience, and they comply as they have all too frequent been willing and happily do, that is a recipe for what you see today all across America.

    Here’s my life experiences. These bumpkins in rural America, all of flyover country for that matter, understand these imbeciles from Ivy League and the West Coast a whole lot better than these elites understand much of anything.

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  5. Liberals have been using race to divide us for years. They collect minorities like prize butterflies and
    deny any who think differently all but condemnation and insults.

    At last, a large number of whites and like thinking minorities voted l as a block of minority voters.

  6. Rutherford the next step in your reformation needs to be your taking a solid stance on ideologic idiocy. I know you have the aptitude. You owe it to yourself to and family to take a solid stance when presented two allegedly valid arguments,especially when one of those isn’t.
    Rabbit is spot on with his opener. People who did vote for Trump did so for a number of reasons. People who voted for whoever did so for a number of reasons. This all important truth is getting buried in all the post election bullshit and it’s really pissing me off.

    Not even a whole week has gone by and I am so done with the inanity of the lefties. They are all harping on Hillary and the popular vote. NOBODY in that camp seems to be in tune with the thorough shellacking the Democrats took courtesy of the popular vote. House,Senate,even more state legislatures and a solid majority of governorships. these wins all speak volumes to exactly how bad the Dems are viewed,how badly the GOP has been gifted with an opportunity to perform & be served notice as well, and lastly EXACTLY why the Electoral College exists and must be retained.

  7. They were always re TARD ed. Now that they have opened their mouths, we all know. They are still so self unaware that they still don’t understand what they did to themselves. They also don’t realize how much power they have lost.

    Those petulant fools are burning down their own cities. That will show us when the repair bills come due.

  8. More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive.

    Pat Thornton can fuck himself sideways with a rusty chainsaw. Seriously, how is this not more of the same. “Need? Need?”

    I’m getting to the point where I am rooting for the day that some of these wagging fingers get bitten off. First of all, his brilliant observation fails to recognize that the Republicans had a female executive as a primary candidate this year. Secondly, if the majority of us gave a tinker’s damn about soccer, then it would be pulling the ratings and crowds that MLB and the NFL pull, lesbians or not. And Third, the people in flyover country aren’t ignorant of muslims, they simply spend far less time patting themselves on the back over their “tolerance” of them, which allows them to see more clearly the collective actions and listen to the collective statements of a group of people who have a bad habit of moving into countries they aren’t native to, and when their numbers are sufficient enough, they start demanding that their hosts change their attitudes and behaviors to suit the newcomers, nor do they have any problem comprehending that the political and legal system masquerading as a religion is not compatible with western liberty and freedom.

    Again, it isn’t for our cultural betters or our rulers to decide how we should live, and more importantly, what we should believe.

  9. BIC true dat! If a right wing person wrote a similar statement as Thornton the words would be dissected for including “code words”.
    In a lot of ways I’m starting to think 2016 marked not an end to the Culture War but two huge battles being won by either side. Clearly certain social issue topics have gone one way. A bigger win is perhaps seen in the loss dealt to those so sure of their cultural superiority. It is funny that these folks are the ones always talking about multiculturalism yet all along bent on having a monoculture that nobody wants. If LBQT & pot is Bull Run I’m calling the Trump & GOP romp Gettysburg.

  10. In the day Rutherford posting Obama’s weekly fireside chats, snicker, there was a statement made that the Republican Party would be heading the way of the Whigs if fundamental change wasn’t made.

    It’s interesting to how prophetic our blog host really was. (y)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/10/the-decimation-of-the-democratic-party-visualized/?utm_content=buffer5044c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  11. “More Americans need to see more of the United States. They need to shake hands with a Muslim, or talk soccer with a middle aged lesbian, or attend a lecture by a female business executive.”

    I have no problems with the base of this idea–that more Americans need to see more of the US and talk to more of our fellow Americans. But the quote above makes that idea a 1-way street. Why isn’t anyone being advised to go converse with those in “fly-over country”?

    Of course, that’s a rhetorical question. We know the answer is because if the idiot bitter-clingers just went out and talked with their betters they would be enlightened.

  12. As I reflected on what I wrote above, it occurred to me that there are probably a lot of people who sport a “coexist” bumper sticker out protesting right now, or cheering them on.

  13. Rabbit is spot on with his opener.

    Rabbit’s opener puzzled me a bit. I didn’t expect him to agree with Thornton but I was surprised to see him reject Steele.

    I think the microcosm of opinion on this board over the years confirms Steele’s view.

  14. “Trump isn’t the legitimate president because he didn’t win the popular vote” is the new birtherism.

    As such, Trump deserves a lot of what he’s getting on that front.

  15. Pat Thornton can fuck himself sideways with a rusty chainsaw.

    LOL Well that’s why I contrasted the two articles. Thornton is one of several folks I’ve seen lately criticizing his home town with a mixture of understanding and belief that change is needed.

    Ironically the guy saying “stop the deference BULLSHIT” is the black guy.

    P.S. Steele is mixed and I think that’s relevant. While being mixed can cause an identity crisis (as I believe it does for Obama) it can also make you see race relations far more objectively.

  16. A bigger win is perhaps seen in the loss dealt to those so sure of their cultural superiority.

    And THATS a major source of the marches. These marchers don’t see GOP beat Dem. They see wrong beat right.

  17. In the day Rutherford posting Obama’s weekly fireside chats …

    Tex here’s the real kicker. We libs got so smug in our assertion that the GOP must reach out to blacks and Hispanics that we forgot about all the white folks and white outreach. Now we are the ones in need of a post-mortem.

    Daaaaaaaamn!

  18. DR is of course right about the Clintons’ corruption. We were all talking about it here. Whether we were “covering our ass” or not (sorry Huck, that still amuses me), we were not going to vote for Hillary.

    Anyway, the corruption prong might explain lack of turnout for Hillary’s camp but it doesn’t cover the ass for Trump turnout. My exacting scientific poll (hearing the post mortems from people I know) is better ass-covered with the white working class “sick of being of being blamed, ignored and shit on” part of the equation.

    So, in the spirit if James’ “I’m just gonna post it even if you don’t give shit” tradition, I am fucking astonished at how small the microphone-holding liberal douch bags really are. It confirms every negative perception I have of the modern liberal. I have members of my own family telling the other to “go fuck themselves” on Facebook and texts. My nearly apolitical sister-in-law, who didn’t even vote, was told that if a crazed gunman goes into a school and kills people, she will have blood on her hands.

    R, I’m glad you’ve had an epiphany of sorts, but I can’t shake the fact that this shit is precisely the kind of shit that typified your liberal media-driven mind control until just recently. I’ll give your “kinda introspection” little credit though. But inly a little because I still think the belief or disbelief in consensus generally equals the “rightness” of the of the liberal’s position, including yours. I tender your take on the Memories Pizza “she should’ve shut the fuck up” take on things into evidence and rest my case.

  19. A lot where also mumbling the planted “peaceful transfer of power” crap 2 weeks ago.

    I think this more than anything has me bothered right now. It’s the libs that are making us look like a banana republic. 😡

  20. p.s. I will accept the accusation that I now exhibit the know-it-all traits of the left when they won. In my defense though, why 2010, 2014 and this one being viewed as some kind of anamoly leaves me feeling “we told you so” kinda smug at the moment.

  21. I don’t remember thinking Biden would run. But I don’t remember a lot of shit these days.

    Personally, I really don’t think Biden would’ve changed the outcome. His rhetoric is just as offensive when taken in large doses. And I am still convinced a Trump/Biden sissy fight out back should’ve been used to decide things if he did run.👹

  22. The Great Wall of Trump was never anything more than campaign rhetoric and would be a foolish waste of resources if built.

  23. I think Ive come to a conclusion about what progressives really want. They want every tongue to confess that the progressive agenda is supreme.

    I don’t think they have any idea just how intolerant they really are.

  24. So, anyone here think Trump will actually build a wall? I don’t.

    I forget which pundit said it but on wall, Muslim ban and deportation force, the pundit said yes, no, no.

    I tend to agree. The wall is in Donald’s professional wheelhouse and he can even spin it as infrastructure. The Mexicans will not pay for the wall.

  25. “So, anyone here think Trump will actually build a wall? I don’t.”

    I do. Where it makes sense. There all kinds of “walls” to secure a border and I expect to see them all.
    Anything less and I turn on the son of a bitch.

    After that, I hope for a wave of legal Hispanic immigration. Good people. Great for America.

  26. @ Rutherford either you misread rabbit or I did.

    I’m repeating the no vote on the wall and adding EO on the Dreamers to the previous. Trump is going to attempt to open the flood gates on “self-deportation”.

  27. I was talking to the better half the other day about the fact that infrastructure investment was no longer the bonanza Americans believe it is secondary to nostalgia tainted lenses.
    The first half of the 20th Century experienced the benefit of scale whether constructing large public works or private sector projects. When you needed three shifts of shovelers and pick axers to build a dam you employed a lot of people. Technology now allows a crew of twenty to do the same amount of work.
    Infrastructure investment for the next decade needs to be more visionary and far less Keynesian.

  28. @ Rutherford if you’re talking “self-deportation” it is actually a very sound and friendly/respectable concept.
    It starts with the premise that most illegals are truly here for economic reasons. You take away the economic pluses folks voluntarily leave.
    Two of the best ways to do this is: #1 aggressively enforce things like E-Verify. #2 is send CBP up the ass of entities like Western Union and the banks over the issue of remittances to the homelands.
    The Northeast experienced a noticeable level of Latin American self deportation during the 2007/8 recession cycle.
    It is also an umbrella concept that you could/should incorporate in any type of “Path to Citizenship” program. Leave on your own under declared circumstances and be granted a waiver on making the cut for legalization. Basically leave via the door so you can return via the door.

  29. “I don’t remember thinking Biden would run.”

    “Okay. You heard it here first. I will not divulge facts or sources.
    “Biden is definitely going to run. No question. He’s coming in.”
    El Tigre , September 8, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    Remember now? 🙂

  30. Ouch!

    Actually, I now remember why I said that. I personally know someone that is tied in and he told me that it was said by Biden privately.

    I have an ass to kick for getting the spankin’ I just got.

  31. You know, I really do have to follow up on that. The circumstances made it extra-reliable. Whatever changed had to have happened on a dime. There is definitely a story here.

    I hope I didn’t predict a win too. That’d be a double Huck spankin’ and that’s more than I can bear.

  32. No, but the day he announced he wasn’t running there was buzz he was making an announcement and you did tell us “Biden is getting ready to announce he’s in”.

    I fully believe he intended to until The Machine reminded him they have [fill in the blank] on him. I’m sure that’s the same reason others didn’t run, too.

  33. I think the progressives want to create a one party nation.

    I don’t think Trump will build a complete wall. He may compromise on a fence.

    Self deportation is as old as immigration. On a small scale my wife’s grand mother and her family moved one by one to the United States. Some returned home a few years later. I have met Canadians who moved to the US and later returned home.

    Fins migrated here in the late nineteenth century and became involved in the developing labor movement. Thousands of them left the US and moved to the workers’ paradise after the Soviets took over.

  34. I’m sure you guys have seen this as it is headlining Drudge. I’m posting it for Rutherford.

    There is a part where they are laughing at Ann Coulter that gives me goosebumps.

  35. Gawl. The arrogance.

    You know, it just occured to me that the Hillary inevitability meme was just the retard celebration before crossing the line. There was no strategy to it. Just self-congratulatory fist pumping before the guy passes you from behind at the finish.

  36. Senators “won” the popular vote “nationally?” Is that some kind of joke? Duh.

    And it’s unfair because there are two senators from each state no matter the population? LOL.

  37. There was no strategy to it. Just self-congratulatory fist pumping before the guy passes you from behind at the finish.

    I’m a bit surprised you ever thought otherwise. The Clinton campaign was a study in arrogance.

  38. “Senators “won” the popular vote “nationally?” Is that some kind of joke? Duh.”

    No. I think that article is taking itself seriously. I’m telling you, these people are fucking dangerous.

  39. No strategy? Well it sure seems counterproductive, as I said then. How many stayed home because it was “in the bag?” How many Trump supporters turned out for the opposite reason? I thought it was intended to demoralize. What a bunch of dumbfucks.

  40. Rutherford, you don’t bother much with the Constitution it being outdated and all. Does that USA [is fucking stupid] Today make sense to you? If that was stripped of the banner and replaced with “The Onion” I wouldn’t have batted an eye.

    These people are dangerous.

  41. “Just got email about an anti-Trump protest at work tomorrow. My mood just turned to complete shit.”

    Huck, turn that shit into a one-faculty-member field trip. Go deep, make up some poster boards, and do some level 10 trolling.

  42. “Huck, turn that shit into a one-faculty-member field trip. Go deep, make up some poster boards, and do some level 10 trolling.”

    Were I closer to realizing my Idaho plans I’d be all over that.

  43. Huck that is exactly the kind of crazy shit that needs to stop. I don’t envy you at all but I can assure you I’m rooting for you to get through that shit unscathed personally & professionally.
    I have a family member on administrative staff @ MIT who is walking around like a deaf mute just to get through the day hoping not to trigger some adult toddler into a tantrum.

  44. Paul Singer of USA Today should be fired for lying on his resume. I assume his resume says he’s a high school graduate but based on that article, that could not possibly be true.

  45. Planned protests says it all. Paid protesters paid by soros are still being bused in. The hidden hand wants us divided and fighting among ourselves. What better way to impose martial law?

    As a self employed person myself, every bit of the BULLSHIT I have to encounter is related to government. On the job, it’s usually just the dog variety.

  46. “Dangerous and stupid are two different things.”

    When large swaths of this population don’t remotely understand, nor care to understand, the most elementary mechanics of our Republic, it’s dangerous.

    Remember, the left is currently throwing Molotov cocktails over this.

    But, you keep making excuses for your fellow morons and I’ll keep buying ammo.

  47. R, I think we all know where the crybabies are coming from. No need to infantalize them more. A stupid electorate is dangerous. See e.g. Gruber.

  48. We’ve seen the video of the Trump voter being beaten. Has Obama or Lynch denounced it? Where is the press asking that question?

  49. Well…if the reports that 3 million votes were casted by illegals are true, Rutherford, once again, has some serious egg on his face. I hope this time, for maybe one of the first times, he’s not dead fucking wrong.

    Because if 3 million votes were illegal…we have some ugly work ahead of us.

  50. huck – feet to the fire – help me understand what you mean? Do you mean sitting on this blog moaning and groaning, bitching and complaining as I have witness in the past? Explain the difference/change the blog actually accomplished???

    This is what I see – 1. It has almost flipped Rutherford 2. The attack dogs ran off anyone with a different opinion while the others remained silent 3. It has played a part to normalize hateful angry speech. It is now acceptable to say any vile, despicable, hurtful thing that comes into your mind without the need to apologize or to be held responsible. 4. I no longer care to learn or understand the right’s view of politics/America/future. I am through

    However, these are not things I consider accomplishments.

    Trump is not my biggest concern. I was pretty sure he was going to win after a conversation with my daughter weeks earlier. Pense has no soul. Most of the Senate and House are there only for themselves. I am concerned about the people he places in his cabinet and departments. That was the reason for the “big bomb” comment.

    I am upset that this great country has become so divided, so hateful and angry. We can not talk to one another. We refuse to try to understand each other. What we say about the other side can be said of ourselves. We have become a real time f’ing “Jerry Springer” reality show.

    During the Cuba missile crisis, (living in WPB worried about learning Russian) was the first time I heard the comment – we will never be destroyed from the outside it will happen from within. I thought how could we be so stupid to do that. I still ask.

    My holding Obama responsible. Oh I did, I was disappointed in some of the things he did. Do you really think I would admit it to this blog? Seriously? The blog lost me on the obsessive/compulsive need to find fault and criticize.

  51. “My holding Obama responsible. Oh I did, I was disappointed in some of the things he did.”

    Yes. That time his tie clashed with Michelle’s handbag. Very disappointing.

    Thanks for being such a source of wisdom and objectivity around here. Always refreshing to see someone that has well-formulated opinions and is capable of backing them up. You have been and remain a beacon of insightful political dialogue.

  52. Paul Singer of USA Today should be fired for lying on his resume. I assume his resume says he’s a high school graduate but based on that article, that could not possibly be true.

    That’s just crazy talk.

    Consequences are only for people of the “wrong” political persuasion.

  53. All we did was fault and criticize because there was so much to fault and criticize. You obviously agree with that to some extent. You got called out a lot because you came here posing as a cheerleader for Obama rather than being honest and expressing those disappointments you now admit to having. Don’t fault us for having the impression you intended to give. I will point out that you seem to have overlooked the times when some of us actually sided with Obama on various issues, or at the least, did not side with his detractors. There were several.

    I will also point out this complete contradiction, and I don’t think this is nit picking your words, because they are the crux of your point:

    “I no longer care to learn or understand the right’s view of politics/America/future. I am through”

    “I am upset that this great country has become so divided, so hateful and angry. We can not talk to one another. We refuse to try to understand each other.”

    Yeah, we’re an angry bunch here. As you point out, we’re not alone. The entire country is angry. It’s not just the right..it’s not just the left…it’s pretty much everyone.

    Bottom line: I was simply inviting you to join us in doing the same thing to Trump when he does things to deserve it. And I am certain there will be multiple, starting with his cabinet selections. I’ve already brought up potential concerns about that, myself. It wasn’t an invitation to come here and change the world. We know Trump is big on using social media, but I don’t think he follows Rutherford on Twitter.

  54. I’m not a fan of this Bolton for SoS talk I’m seeing. Diplomacy is about getting people to eat shit by convincing them it tastes like candy. John Bolton gets people to eat shit by forcing it down their throats. I wasn’t a fan of his in the UN and I won’t be a fan of his at State.

  55. But, you keep making excuses for your fellow morons and I’ll keep buying ammo.

    I’m not making excuses for violent protesters. I’m saying the USA Today writer is an idiot. I don’t find him “dangerous”.

  56. Has Obama or Lynch denounced it? Where is the press asking that question?

    On the contrary, Harold Ford Jr is asking Trump to “ease the protesters fears”.

    Wild. He’s to blame when his folks act out AND when the opposition acts out.

  57. It has almost flipped Rutherford – Lurker

    Well it shouldn’t surprise you that I disagree. I still lean left. I identify as a liberal. But I won’t continue to pledge loyalty to a party that has lost its way and I will criticize media that outright lies for a living.

    I’ve been debating on Facebook, asking fellow libs to hold themselves to a higher standard. We feared that Trump supporters would revolt if he lost and what is happening? We HYPOCRITES are revolting because he won.

    I haven’t flipped. I just won’t defend the indefensible.

  58. Bolton as SoS is a total joke. The guy is the opposite of diplomacy.

    The other name being raised is Rudy. Not much better.

    I like Jon Huntsman for the job although his name has not surfaced.

  59. Could someone tell me why the Southern Poverty Law Center is calling out pro-Trump hate speech but is silent about the “rape Melania” meme that trended on Twitter yesterday?

  60. Rutherford, I have witnessed first hand complete fabrications of “pro Trump hate” at work.

    90℅ lies being whipped up by a media that lies 90% of the time.

    They aren’t going to stop either.

  61. I don’t know if an iTunes podcast link will work for any of you but this is an interview with a DC teacher in the aftermath of the Trump election. I particularly want Rabbit to listen to it.

    I remember early in Obama’s admin, kids parents were given the option to opt their kids out of watching an Obama address and I was enraged. I now find myself with similar feelings. I don’t think schools are necessarily dealing correctly with this Trump win. Some are treating it like a national crisis or a terrorist attack.

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/slates-trumpcast/id1093260018?mt=2&i=377757947

  62. All I can say is I hope the Left and its allied institutions keep plugging away at being dishonest,cowardly,hypocritical and down right pathetic. They deserve every bit of pain and suffering from the virus they are incubating.

  63. A nearby college is having a fucking peace day. The irony is I guarantee anyone that mutters a pro-Trump position or thought would experience anything other than peace.
    What are the chances any four year degree with a teachers certificate piece of shit is lining up elementary school kids to sing “ Um Umm Ummp Donald J Trump

    I didn’t support this guy and I’m getting angry. WTF does that say???

  64. The media and, I fear, the educational institutions are acting like we elected Hitler.

    Even if he wants to, Trump cannot unite the nation. For the time being, it’s over.

  65. I don’t think my school had a protest today. I’m thinking the whole thing was a professor thinking it would manifest just by saying it would. My school is actually pretty good about activism. That’s relative, of course. We certainly have our activists, but I have never seen anything approaching what we’ve seen on other campuses.

    With that said, I do see the faculty doing its damnedest spark activism, and have done so for years. At this point I can’t decide which scares me more–the students or the teachers. Either one could have me run out on a rail with not much effort. Junior faculty don’t have much protection. The whole thing has me so disillusioned I sometimes feel I wasted years to get to where I am. I love teaching but I hate the bullshit, the constant need to navigate the PC minefield, and walking on eggshells.

  66. So I’m guessing all of the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ protestors have gone home now that Trump told 60 Minutes last night that he wasn’t interested in appointing judges to overturn the gay marriage ruling?

    That is the 1 demographic I just don’t understand protesting. Trump has been solid on gay issues throughout all of the campaign cycles. They say they fear Trump but have no reason to.

    I’m also confused about the black protests. What exactly did Trump say to piss them off? I don’t think he ever called them “superpredators”. Hillary completely disregarded them, taking their vote for granted as all Democrats do.

    Did I miss something he said on either front?

  67. He “insulted Hispanics, Muslims and blacks”. Blacks just get thrown in for good measure. He did refer to “my African-American” during a rally but technically the dude was his African-American. 😂😂😂

    The black resentment confuses me also.

  68. I keep looking for this white nationalist tie in to Bannon. It’s made up. If having a border and being real about Sharia Law makes a “white nationalist” than I’m down with the rrrrrrrrReich.

    He did reportedly once make a comment, according to his ex wife (disclosed only after a nasty divorce), that he didn’t want his kids going to the local Jewish school because all the kids are whiney there. 20 years ago. Ha.

    As for the guy himself. Maybe he’s terrible. I don’t know. But I certainly don’t listen to the lying class about him.

  69. “The black resentment confuses me also.”

    Because it’s made up. He gets no more hate than any other Republican. Hell he got 1/3 of the Hispanic vote.

    The media is crafting it’s narrative and soon life will imitate art.

    Your watching the left do what it’s best at. What’s interesting, is there are millions of us impervious to it.

    The left plays dangerous game.

  70. “Because it’s made up. He gets no more hate than any other Republican. Hell he got 1/3 of the Hispanic vote.”

    So’s the Bannon thing. Made. Up.

    For babies by babies.

  71. No need to be confused, Huck. Many of the protesters are paid. I don’t remember the city, but the majority of those detained had not registered or voted.

    The press and Hillary campaign turned Trump into a devil, and the schools failed to teach protesters the rudiments of our federalist system of government. Some Hispanics and Muslims, according to Youtube, were terrified that they would be arrested on the day after the election.

    Most of those people are cannon fodder for a small number of dedicated anarchists and others who want to destabilize our nation. I heard planners of the Chicago riots say they wanted violent attacks to destroy the police’s reputation. They failed to share this information with the majority of protesters.

    These people are no different. This is a scam.

  72. Bannon doesn’t bother me either. I hold to the standards Obama and other Democrats imposed on our government. If openly communistic and racist officials were good enough for the Democrats, Bannon is good enough for me.

  73. It’s not even that. I want to know the real objection, not the false and typical accusations of various “isms” of the left’s political opponents. All the crying wolf shit has got to take its toll — but they can’t help themselves.

  74. I agree with Rabbit without the Russian accent. The left does play a dangerous game.

    Their publicity wing is exposed and losing readers and viewers.

    They are losing control of most state governments, and unless they play another game, the next redistricting cycle will be more painful than the last.

    Their farm team is drying up. This provides fewer good national and state candidates for the future.

  75. I think the real objection is that Bannon is intelligent and politically skilled. Making him look bad can also bleed into others in the Trump administration.

  76. Could someone tell me why the Southern Poverty Law Center is calling out pro-Trump hate speech but is silent about the “rape Melania” meme that trended on Twitter yesterday?

    Well, I’d say that it is because the SPLC is a lucrative fraud, but it also has to do with the blatant double standard that has been going on for years by which “people of color, latinos, and women” aren’t “authentic” if they do not subscribe to the “correct” political outlook, thus making it ok to wish all manner of ills upon them, if they are to be spoken of at all.

    Just ask Thomas Sowell, Justice Thomas, Dr. Rice, Sarah Palin, Laura Ingraham, ….

  77. In short .. Bannon has libs worried because David Duke likes him and Breitbart (his publication) has headlines that call Bill Kristol a “renegade Jew” and wax romantic about the Confederate flag. If Bannon is a savvy agitator who understands the gravity of his new position, I have no problem. If he is a racist, anti-Semitic ideologue, then yes, I’m a bit worried. I already know the dude served his country and worked for Goldman Sachs – not a total fringe wackjob. I get that. I just need to sort through the lib media noise so I really understand what we’re getting.

    James’ tit for tat approach (the payback for 8 years of Obama corruption is Trump racist autocracy) does not fly with me.

  78. Good news for Tex. A petition is floating around for California to secede from the Union. I know nothing would make Tex happier. Personally, I just busted a cranial artery and went off on Facebook.

    CAN LIBS PLEASE GROW THE FUCK UP??????!!!!!!!!

  79. Good news for Tex. A petition is floating around for California to secede from the Union. I know nothing would make Tex happier. Personally, I just busted a cranial artery and went off on Facebook.

    From my FB —a conversation I had with Heir No. One last night.

    Heir No. One was just talking to me about Hitler.

    I was Mheh. He said “What? He WAS Evil, wasn’t he?”

    I said “Yeah, but everyone talks about Hitler. Let’s talk about how many people Stalin or Mao killed.”

    He nodded, and I said “Pol Pot.”
    Then I started singing ♫ Pol-Pot, Pol-Pot, Pol-Pot♫…”
    He said “I don’t get the reference, Dad.”

    I said “Its the bridge from the Dead Kennedys ‘Holiday in Cambodia’.”

    He told me he didn’t know who Pol Pot was, so I explained.

    Then he wanted to talk about California wanted to seceed.
    So I started singing “California Uber Alles”.
    Yeah, I played 2, two, 2!!! Dead Kennedys songs for the win tonight.

    #ParentingDoneRight

  80. “. . . Kristol a “renegade Jew” and wax romantic about the Confederate flag.”

    I’ll wager that if you dig a little deeper and I think you’ll find you’re being had again. I do know this, you’re going to have to keep in mind who founded and actually controls Breitbart before accepting the bullshit I have been hearing. I heard Don Lemmon’s take on the radio. From what I could tell, the manufactured confederate flag issue was covered in the same way as many other articles that tried to explain to the dumb, bigoted elitist, thought-controlling douche bags a larger point of view that they don’t share (one such article comes to mind, but I have since forgotten the author).

    As for “renegade jew,” yeah. a real disqualifier from the same folks that would unquestionably use the term with impunity in the same way the term Uncle Tom is slung around.

    Lemmon was filled with accusations and platitudes but couldn’t seem to back any of them up. In fact, he was quoting from an article he hadn’t even read, and despite the pleas of the guest to read what was actually being said, Lemmon dismissed anything that conflicted with his obviously ignorance. Why it was like arguing with Rutherford on nearly identical topics. 😆

    Let me know if you learn anything that really ought to disqualify Bannon. Perhaps it exists, but all I am hearing the usual accusations from usual suspects that are embarrassing you so mightily.

  81. p.s. BiC, ummmm, please don’t bludgeon me with the quality of my prior comment concerning Bannon. I fuck these up all by myself.

  82. Anyone know anything about bond markets and such?

    I keep hearing that the post-election bond market is tanking, even though the stock market is rising.

    What I’m not hearing anything about is the Fed’s recent signal that rates might go up in Dec.

    Would a rise in rates cause people to want to sell off bonds?

  83. This is rich!

    “Ben Carson spent months trying to persuade voters to elect him president but, according to his spokesman, he does not think he is qualified to run a federal agency in the Trump administration.

    According to Armstrong Williams, who is also Mr. Carson’s business manager, Mr. Trump offered the retired neurosurgeon a “buffet” of job options as a reward for being a loyal ally after dropping out of the race for the Republican nomination.

    “The president-elect said, ‘Ben, tell me whatever you want to run, it will be yours,’” Mr. Williams recounted.

    But Mr. Carson has no experience running large enterprises, Mr. Williams said, and did not think it would be a wise move to start in the new administration. Mr. Carson had been discussed as a candidate to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Education or to be surgeon general”. – http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html

  84. The NYT that endorsed Obama said that? Well I’ll be damned. All those “large enterprises” the community organizer must have been running from the shadows.

    Wait, Romney would like to know why running large enterprises was a reason Rutherford claimed he wasn’t fit to serve as president.

    R, you just can’t help yourself with this nonsense, can ya?

  85. Remember when Harry Ried and his fellow Senate Democrats removed the filibuster rules for Executive-office appointments and made it simple majority rules because the Senate minority party kept blocking appointments?

    Trump can nominate anyone he damn well pleases and he only has to sell them on his own party.

    Well played, Democrats.

  86. All I know is that a few days before the election the Fed met and said it wasn’t going to raise rates in that meeting, but might do so when it met again in Dec. Nobody seemed to discuss it because everyone was distracted with the election. I heard it because my wife and I had just started discussing refinancing our home. I also took mental note, thinking “how convenient they will raise rates AFTER the election”

  87. Damn BiC. Who proofread The Hill article you posted? They should be looking for another line of work.

    Yeah, I noticed that. In truth, it could be the work of a certain Harvard Law grad in Seattle who I know and loathe. Guy bills $600.00 an hour and turns out product that would get a first year associate fired from the most understanding and patient of firms.

    Sometimes, it galls me that I’m pretty much scraping by, and he’s driving around in a new seven series.

    Then I remember that I kicked his ass the last two times we tangled.

  88. From The Hill article:
    “Plus, there was at least one assassination attempt made on Trump’s life.”

    Ehhhh, when?

    I asked myself the same question.

    Then I realized that it would only be reported if successful, and then only in terms something like this:

    “Today, the country was saved from conservative fascism when President-Elect Trump was killed by an Occupy Wall Street member who incapacitated Trump’s security detail with his oppressive body odor, then proceeded to stuff a 20 page list of demands down the President-Elect’s throat, causing him to choke and asphixiate. Senator Sanders and Senator Warren took advantage of the chaos, having Vice-President Pence arrested by “The People’s Army”, and installed themselves as the Socialist Ruling Council of America. Among their first decrees were orders that all conservatives be rounded up and sent to concentration camps, and that all CEOs of privately and publicly held corporations be executed in their offices, and control turned over to specially appointed government officials.”

  89. Sometimes, it galls me that I’m pretty much scraping by, and he’s driving around in a new seven series.

    I am constantly galled by the number of total incompetents living comfortably while I’m struggling. 😡

  90. Rutherford, I agree with you if Trump installs racist ideologues. So far, we don’t know that it is true. Otherwise, you are a better man than I. Revenge without obvious force is fine with me.

    Democrats thought they were so smart to weaken the filibuster. Let them suffer now until Democrats rise to do the same to Repubicans,

  91. “Fit for POTUS but unfit for head of HHS?”

    Assuming that was actually said, I guess I don’t see the problem with that. You do get that competency and effectiveness at running a federal bureaucratic agency is entirely different than being president, don’t you? Obama couldn’t run a lemonade stand and, if her being honest, a federal agency either.

  92. New lease on life – and I think I mean that literally. Stent in LDA (Left Descending Artery),80% occluded. One night in hospital stay. Ironically, the rest of the heart only had normal plaque.

    I was lucky and it helped that I understood the signs. Guess Medical School kind of came in handy after all. 😆

    And when I return, I read this bit of good news…

    http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/democrat-who-destroyed-christian-bakery-just-got-crushed-in-election

  93. Assuming that was actually said, I guess I don’t see the problem with that. You do get that competency and effectiveness at running a federal bureaucratic agency is entirely different than being president, don’t you? Obama couldn’t run a lemonade stand and, if her being honest, a federal agency either.

    I’m not sure it would occur to most people. I mean, absent some event which actually requires their full and personal attention, Presidents are largely generalists who delegate a great deal of the actual work. Agency heads also delegate, but won’t have to switch topics every fifteen minutes and then fit in time for receptions, and championship sport teams.

  94. And let’s face it. If Obama had to focus on the same thing day after day, and it wasn’t his golf game or hanging with Jay Z and Beyonce, he’d get bored pretty quickly, which is why I always laughed at the suggestion of him as a Supreme Court Justice…too much work, and not enough free time.

  95. New lease on life – and I think I mean that literally. Stent in LDA (Left Descending Artery),80% occluded.

    Good to hear, Tex. Granted things have changed in 30 years but my college roommate left oncology to practice cardiology because he saw hope in the latter and so much hopelessness in the former.

  96. Ok I can see the next four years will be as difficult around here as the past nine. You folks are really gonna sit there and tell me it ain’t hilarious that a guy “interviews” for the toughest most visible executive position in the world but then says our country can’t afford his learning curve on a gov department lead position (in his area of specialty).

    And to prove your point you snark on Obama.

    And unless you think his spokesman, Armstrong Williams is a liar, there is no IF about it. Carson took himself out of the running.

    Let’s give Dr. Ben some credit. Maybe he sees a potential Titanic of a presidency and wants no part of it.

  97. Muffy I didn’t even read your links. Trump got thousands of death threats, no doubt. Plans were concocted. No doubt. There was NO assassination attempt. If there was, post the article or better yet take me to the video tape.

  98. Wow, Tex. Both fucked up and very lucky at the same time.

    Outside of being healthy, do have any advice for someone my age. Should I demand certain kind of tests?

  99. I always saw Ben Carson as a very nice man who meant very well. I’m not trying to start shit, but I thought more of him than I did those who thought him to be viable. I don’t really see a big contradiction. He did what he thought was the right thing to do by running and now he’s doing what he thinks is the right thing to do by moving on.

  100. “Outside of being healthy, do have any advice for someone my age. Should I demand certain kind of tests?”

    ECG if you haven’t had one in a while

  101. “ECG if you haven’t had one in a while”

    I had one last winter at one of those terrible walk in clinics. They sent me to ER. Turns out they did it wrong. Stupid stickers weren’t sticking. I was fine.

    Should I get it done annually?

  102. “There was NO assassination attempt. If there was, post the article or better yet take me to the video tape.”

    There is video in one of the links.

    LAS VEGAS (AP) — A British man arrested at a weekend Donald Trump rally in Las Vegas tried to grab a police officer’s gun so he could kill the presidential candidate after planning an assassination for about a year, according to authorities.
    U.S. Secret Service agents said Michael Steven Sandford approached a Las Vegas police officer at the campaign stop to say he wanted Trump’s autograph, but that he then tried to take the weapon.

    Sandford told officers he was convinced he would die in the assassination attempt. He said he also reserved a ticket for a Trump rally in Phoenix, scheduled for later Saturday, as a backup plan.
    The criminal complaint said Sandford was arrested after grabbing the handle of an officer’s gun while trying to remove it from a holster.
    Sanford told authorities that he went to the Battlefield Vegas shooting range the day before the rally and fired 20 rounds from a 9mm Glock pistol to learn how to use it. Police detectives who visited the range spoke with an employee who confirmed that he provided Sandford shooting lessons, according to the complaint signed by Secret Service Special Agent Joseph Hall.

  103. Got to side with Rutherford on the Ben Carson thing. You don’t take fundraiser cash and do the debate gig for the Oval Office if you think any of the other assorted “smaller” offices are out of your ability set.
    Hopefully people stick the fork in him and we’re done with dealing with him except private sector op-eds.

  104. Yeah….dude didn’t want the job. Who cares. You care?

    I agree with Huck that he’s a nice man and clearly ultra talented in his specialty but the rest of you are missing the point. There’s nothing amusing about his not WANTING the job. That’s his prerogative. It’s his feeling he is UNQUALIFIED that cracks me up.

    Never mind. The goddam thing is so obvious that refusal to acknowledge it is arguing for arguments sake.

  105. Rutherford, do you think there’s a chance that in running for POTUS he came to realize how unqualified he was? One may have led to the other, rather than contradicting each other.

  106. Hot Air says Cruz being looked at for AG.

    I know he’s a lawyer, but wouldn’t that job be better for someone with experience as a prosecutor? The wiki entry on him doesn’t list that on his resume.

  107. I am not sure I haven’t lost some faith in a lot of these cardio tests. In no uncertain order, I had the past six months a myocardial perfusion scan (stress test with nuclear isotopes), a ECG, and 31 day EKG, and finally a CT angioplasty – all but the last one showed nothing, the angioplasty inconclusive. It was me that forced the issue when they told me my heart perfectly healthy and finally agreed to a more invasive procedure. They put the stent in because they found the problem during the procedure which is 100% conclusive.

    I have taken a statin for the better part of 15 years, which they now have doubled the dosage and I didn’t tolerate a large dose real well last time – and slowly but surely is turning me into a diabetic, as I am now borderline A1C.

    My suggestion if I had to pick any of these probably would still be the basics. A stress test annually, manage the cholesterol, exercise, no smoking. This is probably genetics, Rabbit. I fully expect this one day to kill me.

  108. “I know he’s a lawyer, but wouldn’t that job be better for someone with experience as a prosecutor? The wiki entry on him doesn’t list that on his resume.”

    What? You mean guy that ran for president might not be qualified to serve the lesser job of AG? 😆

  109. “Got to side with Rutherford on the Ben Carson thing. You don’t take fundraiser cash and do the debate gig for the Oval Office if you think any of the other assorted “smaller” offices are out of your ability set.”

    Oh bullshit.

    Bernie Sanders for IRS commissioner!

  110. Any idiot can run for president and lose.

    But seriously. Wouldn’t someone with prosecutor experience be better as the top prosecutor? I’m not saying he isn’t qualified, I’m just questioning if he’s the best for the job.

    That’s what we were promised.

  111. Rutherford, do you think there’s a chance that in running for POTUS he came to realize how unqualified he was?

    Could very well be and would increase my admiration of the man ten-fold.

  112. What? You mean guy that ran for president might not be qualified to serve the lesser job of AG? 😆

    I’m glad you amuse yourself. Huck asked about qualifications for a specific post.

    I’m betting Ben coulda done a decent job at HHS. I wasn’t suggesting he should have considers Defense Secretary.

    BTW Rudy is a decent choice for AG but he doesn’t want the job. For SoS, dumb idea.

  113. 1) Gowdy for AG is a great idea.

    2) I can’t get enough of “John Lennon”. Hitler wiped his ass with toilet paper just like Trump so … LOL.

    3) No Muffy really didn’t “rek” me. Arthur Brenner made an assassination attempt against Wallace. Squeaky Fromme and Sarah Whatsername made assassination attempts against Ford. Zangara made an assassination attempt against FDR. Hell a couple of Puerto Rican’s made an assassination attempt against Truman. A British idiot who goes to a rally unarmed and tries to grab a cops gun has barely attempted an assassination. All the others I mentioned, living and dead, are laughing their ass off at the “attempted assassin”. Try again Muffy.

    4) I saw Dershowitz interviewed today and he did not say Bannon is NOT an anti-Semite. He said he had no idea but made the intellectual argument that there was insufficient evidence to make the accusation.

    My hunch is hiring Bannon is no worse than hiring a smarter version of Jerry Springer. D.C. is likely to turn into a reality TV show.

  114. Eight years of Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice and Rutherford’s worried about whether Bannons a racist anti semetic ideologue. Good grief what is that – parody?

  115. I like Cruz for SCOTUS but not so much for AG. That’ll serve the wise latina and ruth buzzy right.

    AG got to be Gowdy. Please let it be Gowdy.

    I heard that McConnell better not let the Senate recess for a certain number of days or Obama will make a recess appointment and it’ll stick.

  116. “The goddam thing is so obvious that refusal to acknowledge it is arguing for arguments sake.”

    I’m trying to imagine a former Dem candidate turning down a cabinet position because of said candidate claiming he’s not qualified and me giving a shit. I’m trying. Ooooh. Ooooh. He should have never run for president. Ooooh.There. I did it.

  117. Betsys Page tells us about Keith Ellison who has been subject to as much media scrutiny as Obama was before his first term.

    Ellison has ties to the Nation of Islam, was a 9/11 Truther and blamed Jews in part for 9/11. If Democrats can support an anti Semite with a shady past, they can put their objections to Bannon
    in a dark place where the son doesn’t shine.

    An Iowa representative is introducing a bill to deny funding to state universities that would pay for post election grief counseling. Suck it up Buttercup is a nick name for the bill.

  118. I like John Bolton…put him in some position where he can squeeze Dims. Cruz, Gowdy, Rudy, Mike Lee would all make wonderful appointments for positions of torture. :twist: Throw in Sessions for Sec. of Defense. Great appointment.

  119. “I’m betting Ben coulda done a decent job at HHS. I wasn’t suggesting he should have considers Defense Secretary.”

    Maybe surgeon general. But running bureaucratic pile of stinking poo like HHS? That’s a job no one other than a career bureaucrat is qualified to handle nor one that I would wish on my worst enemy. I got no problem with what Ben allegedly said, if he did in fact say it which I’m doubting by your reference to another source. And if he did, it is a very specific job has nothing to do with his desire to be president or doctor or anything else. Take your MSNBC giggle-point and suck it, Trebek. Not worthy of discussion to anyone other than a catty teenage girl.

  120. “I am constantly galled by the number of total incompetents living comfortably while I’m struggling.”

    Yet rather than demanding a better job market and economy, you demand larger government and increased burdens on the working class. Go figure.

  121. Ok I can see the next four years will be as difficult around here as the past nine. You folks are really gonna sit there and tell me it ain’t hilarious that a guy “interviews” for the toughest most visible executive position in the world but then says our country can’t afford his learning curve on a gov department lead position (in his area of specialty).

    Or maybe running for the Big Chair caused him to realize that no matter how competently he might run an agency…assuming that he can get his career minded underlings to work with him, and not against him, it will still never be good enough for the chattering class.

    It’s one thing to not seek fame or approval for the sake of either, and another to take a daily drubbing for no other reason than you don’t subscribe to the “approved” mindset.

  122. Watched a little Rutherford talking point. . .er. . . Morning Joe. All the same old shit. The losers with the inflated and deluded sense of superiority think their head-shaking critiques of Trump’s 7 days as president elect prove he is just unfit and they were right all along. Just like all their critiques of the GOP candidates campaigns (gotta cross t’s and dot i’s!), and Trump’s ridiculous messages and campaign strategy, we need to hear more from those idiots!

    Here’s a little preview: whatever the characterizations and criticisms of Trump the MSM doubled-down on throughout the race will now be evidenced by everything he does, even if they have to just “make it up.” Fucking arrogant, agenda-driven, pussies. All of them need to just shut the fuck up for a bit, and Rutherford needs to change the channel for a bit.

    So who’s is the next incompetent, racist, misogynist, misanthropic, malevolent, dog-whistle blowing, closet whateverphobe Trump considers for a post or associates with? If it were Obama himself, the MSM would make him out to be like the blind KKK member from the Chappelle skit or just another black man Trump wanted to dominate.

  123. Congressional Republicans put the same people back in seats of power. The same people who did little except get steamrolled time and again by the minority party.

  124. Congressional Republicans put the same people back in seats of power. The same people who did little except get steamrolled time and again by the minority party.

    Getting “steamrolled” implies that they actually put up a fight. With a few notable exceptions, this simply isn’t true. But it demonstrates that “The Party of Stupid” has learned NOTHING, which doesn’t bode well for the next 2 years.

  125. Say in contrast to the last eight years of Phil Donahue?

    Again, we’re in for a long slog if every response to things going in the crapper is “what about the last 8 years?”

    I may have to change the sign on the door to “Rutherford Lawson’s Tit for Tat Bar and Grill”. 😐

  126. 3) He didnt bring a gun in because of the metal detectors, fool.

    I seem to recall one of your links mentioning a guy who did try to get a gun in. He wasn’t very bright either.

    Also if you recall, the incident two weeks ago where someone yelled “gun” and the SS went batshit crazy – guess the metal detectors didn’t give them much confidence, did they?

    Like I said before, try again. There is no way in hell that the media would have taken a pass on covering a real Trump assassination attempt. By the standards of the historical examples I cited, there was no assassination attempt.

    Unless you want to try again. 😉 You’ve proven me wrong many times here and I’ve acknowledged it. So, have at it.

  127. Eight years of Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice and Rutherford’s worried about whether Bannons a racist anti semetic ideologue.

    I think you said you’re gonna start reading Breitbart. Please don’t. You’re sounding dumb enough already.

    Trying to learn the truth about Bannon is worthwhile. Neither of us wants anti-Semitism or bigotry formalized in the WH.

  128. James, Ellison’s potential anti-Semitism came up in an interview with Alan Dershowitz. Interestingly Dershowitz said Bannon should be given the same benefit of the doubt as Ellison.

    I don’t like Ellison because he won’t own Hillary’s failure as candidate.

  129. Watched a little Rutherford talking point. . .er. . . Morning Joe.

    Hate to let you in on this but Joe Scarborough is as close to fair and balanced as you’ll find on MSNBC.

  130. @ Huck if you’re looking for the GOP to get something done you might be up for a major let down.
    The Republicans will need to dig deep to do the right thing. It’s a shovel ready job and I’m waiting to see what they do.

  131. Congressional Republicans put the same people back in seats of power.

    Whom was there to choose from? American voters cry out for change and send the same blockheads to DC all the time.

  132. ” if you’re looking for the GOP to get something done you might be up for a major let down.”

    I’m not. Just pointing out that they are off to a bad start after an election where people very clearly stated they were tired of the same old same ol’.

    “Whom was there to choose from? ”

    There are 50some GOP senators and hundreds of reps to choose from. They chose the same ones to lead. That doesn’t mean a different Majority Leader and Speaker would have yielded different results, but the same ones sure won’t.

  133. Yet rather than demanding a better job market and economy

    Can the gov provide that? Your answer is no. So I’m permanently screwed.

    Well, it can, but not in the way you’ve been indoctrinated into believing.

    Neuter the administrative state, tear out the plethora of agency-promulgated regulations, root and branch, simplify the tax code, and get rid of ObamaDoesntCare, root and branch, and shrink government overall…you’ll see the economy take off like a rocket.

  134. So I just finished the first 20 mins or so of Morning Joe during my lunch break and I’m not quite sure which show Tigre thought he was watching.

    Do they act like know-it-alls? Yes. But they’re paid to act that way even in the face of their piss poor predictions thus far.

    But substantively I don’t get Tigre’s gripe. Bolton and Giuliani are unfit for SoS. That’s not an ideological statement. That’s based on being able to read a dictionary. The SoS is the chief DIPLOMAT of the country. Neither Bolton nor Giuliani can spell diplomat. End of story. And how Tigre can ignore Giuliani’s paid speeches to dubious audiences- basically replacing Kerry with HRC-cum-dick, is beyond me.

    I’m beginning to think my fellow libs are missing the forest for the trees. The various potential “XYZ-phobes” is light stuff compared to sheer incompetence. Donald’s ignorance may result in a cabinet of Bad News Bears. (Or Keystone Kops).

  135. “Squeaky Fromme and Sarah Whatsername made assassination attempts against Ford…A British idiot who goes to a rally unarmed and tries to grab a cops gun has barely attempted an assassination. All the others I mentioned, living and dead, are laughing their ass off at the “attempted assassin”.

    @R – I doubt it. The gun Fromme used in her attempt to assassinate Ford did not have any bullets in it.

    “By the standards of the historical examples I cited, there was no assassination attempt.”

    Read the court papers for yourself.

    When Sanford was asked why he attempted to grab Officer Jacob’s sidearm, Sanford replied, “to shoot and kill Trump.”

    http://thesmokinggun.com/file/trump-kill-bid?page=3

    “There is no way in hell that the media would have taken a pass on covering a real Trump assassination attempt.”

    US election: Arrested Briton ‘wanted to shoot Donald Trump’
    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36582770

    Look, Punchy, I’m not sure why you can’t take the guy’s word for it. He may be nuts or innocent by reasons of mental irregularity but he stated in the court papers that “he made a conscious effort to come to Vegas to kill Trump.”

  136. @ Rutherford:
    Bolton would be an effective SoS for what the Administration has planned. I would say you shouldn’t look at any Trump appointee as being on the four year plan.

    Rudy is not a good fit for SoS in any imaginable context.

  137. @ Huck:
    I’m obviously fine with Ryan staying on but I will say this I want KY Mitch gone. He blatantly decreed the status quo is his plan and that’s just a fucking no-go at this station.

  138. “Again, we’re in for a long slog if every response to things going in the crapper is “what about the last 8 years?”

    I may have to change the sign on the door to “Rutherford Lawson’s Tit for Tat Bar and Grill”.

    You misread our calling you out on your hypocrisy for “tit for tat.” Its not. Nobody cares if you vet Bannon, now that you have learned what the word means.

  139. Rutherford is faulting people for not taking the word of a spokesman in 1 argument and then faulting people for taking the word of the actual person in another argument.

    If the guy planned to rush the stage, reach for a gun, and kill Trump…and then rushes the stage and reaches for a gun, it doesn’t take much of a stretch to imagine what was coming next or to call it an attempted assassination.

    I think Rutherford’s just pissed because the guy didn’t get a shot off.

  140. “I’m beginning to think my fellow libs are missing the forest for the trees. The various potential “XYZ-phobes” is light stuff compared to sheer incompetence. Donald’s ignorance may result in a cabinet of Bad News Bears. (Or Keystone Kops).”

    1) why don’t you wait until he…you know…makes an actual appointment before you judge his appointments.

    2) any complaint you and your fellow libs have about his appointments should be addressed to Harry Reid and his fellow Senate Dems who used a procedural vote to get rid of the filibuster for non-judicial appointments. I’m almost willing to bet that if we did a bit of research we’d find you cheering for that one and we know damn well your fellow libs did.

  141. Huck, I know I’m preaching to the choir, but we will know the effectiveness of each Trump appointee by the intensity of the wailing and gnashing of Punchy Rutherford’s teeth. 😉

  142. Look, Punchy, I’m not sure why you can’t take the guy’s word for it.

    Since you’re missing the point I’m not going to waste more time persisting. When folks talk about an assassination attempt, they’re talking about someone who gets reasonably physically close to the candidate/President with real potential to do lethal harm (unless of course we’re talking a sniper like Oswald).

    As for Fromme’s gun being unloaded wiki said the “magazine” had four rounds in it but no “cartridge in the chamber”. Admittedly I don’t understand that terminology so I’m assuming gun was loaded but not capable of firing. Quite frankly, if Squeaky could not have actually killed Ford that day (other than giving him a heart attack) then I consider it hyperbole to call it an assassination attempt.

    Tell me the Brit was close enough to Trump to shoot him when he went for the cop’s gun and I’ll begrudgingly cede the point to you.

  143. OMG!!!! Bannon is an anti semite and Giuliani might be a somebody that takes foreign money like. . . Hillary the former SOS. And he hates blacks or something and he’s evil.

    We’re so fucked.

    Trump is incompetent.

    MSNBC was right all along.

    They’re all racists, and anti semites and something or another phobes. It’s Kristallnacht.

    Oh God. What will we do???

    Did you hear? Morning Joe said that trying to protect Trump in his penthouse would be a logistical disaster.

    That’s it. We’re fucked. We need Huntsman. We need Hillary.

    We need your liberal wisdom.

  144. Oh great. Trump is eating red meat. Heart disease. He cares nothing about the important position he ran for. He could fall over dead any minute.

    Guam might tip over while he’s shoveling that cholesterol-laden food into his mush — without liberal press oversight.

    What if he choked?

    What if he dismisses Sharpton as a WH race advisor. Sharpton’s a gastric bypass vegetarian you know.

    I’m thinking the steak is really a racist dog whistle and giant fuck you to the black community.

    Total incompetence.

  145. “Hate to let you in on this but Joe Scarborough is as close to fair and balanced as you’ll find on MSNBC.”

    Oh?

    That’s great.

  146. So Speaker Ryan blocked what is said would have been an easy passage of the return of earmarks.

    And word is Trump is making anyone taking a high admin job provide a “termination of lobbying form” and sign an agreement banning them from returning to lobbying for at least 5 years after they leave that admin job.

    A nice start on both fronts.

  147. Bolton would be an effective SoS for what the Administration has planned.

    I’d like to understand that better. Trump claims to be a non interventionist (except for ISIL) and Bolton is bomb happy. How is there any compatibility there?

  148. “The SoS is the chief DIPLOMAT of the country. Neither Bolton nor Giuliani can spell diplomat. End of story.”

    Not totally.

    James Taylor can always be deployed.

  149. Nobody cares if you vet Bannon, now that you have learned what the word means.

    There you go with that “nobody cares” stuff again. Take away the snark and your comment means nothing.

    Brannon’s either all the left claims or he isn’t. The left has a really good history of lying lately so I’m not jumping on the hate-Bannon bandwagon without more evidence. I’m leaning toward shit-stirrer rather than bigot but I will do more vetting whether you like it or not.

  150. then rushes the stage

    I guess I missed that detail about rushing the stage.

    I didn’t notice video of the incident. Was there any in any of the links? If so, I missed it.

    Still find it very hard to believe the same media that continuously looped Trump being hustled offstage after a false cry of “gun” would ignore this assassination attempt. Did a melee ensue? Was Trump aware of the incident? Did the SS hustle him offstage for this one?

    Never mind. Trump survived an assassination attempt. I’m done.

  151. I’m almost willing to bet that if we did a bit of research we’d find you cheering for that one

    You know damn well I don’t deal in Senate procedural stuff. It’s above my pay grade. 😀

    And to prove how out of it I am on the topic, Rand Paul is threatening to filibuster a Bolton/Giuliani SoS appointment. Why would he do that if the filibuster was kaput for non-judicial appts? I’m asking.

  152. “I’d like to understand that better. Trump claims to be a non interventionist (except for ISIL) and Bolton is bomb happy. How is there any compatibility there?”

    Well the SoS will have to represent the Executives policies, whatever they are. So his hawkishness shouldn’t matter. But its HOW those policies are represented that does matter. Personally, I’m not a fan of Bolton’s style. He’s a “fuck you, you will do it because we say so” type. I know it’s easy to rah rah that, but there are better ways to go about it. The same thing can be achieved with different tactics.

    If we were thinking outside the box, I would look at Carly Fiorina. She showed that she can stay on message, so if given a position to represent she’d be able to do it. She kept her cool pretty well in some heated exchanges, so she doesn’t seem easily rattled. And she seems naturally diplomatic. Her entire campaign was based on “let’s meet in an area wherein we agree and then see if we can work from there to solve problems.” That doesn’t mean you sell yourself (or your country) out to move forward, but it puts a nice face on the start of things. That’s diplomacy.

  153. Morning Joe said that trying to protect Trump in his penthouse would be a logistical disaster.

    Actually I saw that on The 11th Hour last night and it was pretty chilling. Some idiot – a former SS agent, obviously uninformed – said it was very hard to protect Trump at Trump Tower. But what does she know? Tigre knows better. 🙄

  154. Rand Paul does old school “Mr Smith Goes to Washington” filibusters. In “modern” times a filibuster was had if 41 senators objected to something. That is why the “supermajority” of 60 senators was always so important. If you had 60, there was no hope to block with 40. The GOP used that type of filibuster to block a lot of Obama’s nominations until Reid and Co. got rid of it by using a procedural vote that only required a simple majority to change the rules. It’s gonna come back and bite them hard in the ass.

  155. Huck it’s odd. I find Bolton’s UN background prepares him better than Carly (or Nikki Haley who got floated today) but both ladies have a much better temperament. I’m guessing temperament matters more.

  156. You can act like an asshole when you tell someone to kiss your ass or you can smile and be charming when you say it. In matters of diplomacy, I prefer the latter.

    Bolton’s time in the UN doesn’t impress me. Look at the poor standing we had in the UN during the W years. That was a direct result of Bolton’s tactics.

  157. So Tigre has been in full blown Center Square mode tonight. I’m glad to see him in such good humor.

    I don’t care if Trump goes to dinner at the 21 Club but I’ll take the media’s word for it that tradition dictates the dude shouldn’t go “dark”. I also heard he didn’t have a private room. When mofo really does get his head blown off maybe the resident Paul Lynde won’t find it so amusing.

    I’m not sure Donald really understands he’s the next POTUS.

  158. If Trump wants to have time with his family away from cameras he can throw on his mom jeans and go for ice cream like a normal president does. #TheBearIsOnTheLoose

  159. “I don’t care if Trump goes to dinner at the 21 Club but I’ll take the media’s word for it that tradition dictates the dude shouldn’t go “dark”.”

    Oh puleeeezze.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/conspiracy-theories-abound-after-obama-ditches-the-press/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3046385/Obama-tries-ditching-press-pool-unscheduled-nature-hike-winds-wet-rain-ends-family-outing.html

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/us/politics/27obama.html

    Remember when Chaz spazzed over those?

    You guys are fucking idiots.

  160. I agree, this is too serious to have fun with Bolton in the UN.

    This hypocracy of the left over Trump’s giving some reporters the slip further confirms the implication of Betsy’s Page column.

    We are more aware and generally superior to the leftists. Leftists riot. We protest with Tea Parties and clean our own trash.

  161. “Actually I saw that on The 11th Hour last night and it was pretty chilling. Some idiot – a former SS agent, obviously uninformed – said it was very hard to protect Trump at Trump Tower. But what does she know? Tigre knows better.”

    Yeah. Chilling. MSNBC was right. Trump never should’ve run. There’s no way to secure him since, you know, if a real threat was posed he could never find somewhere else to be. The dems were right all along.

    R, did you know we have a nearly $20 trillion dollar debt and an Obamacare crisis? Maybe we can let Trump select his cabinet, which might be different than the losing dems picks, and look into that shit before moving on to your MSNBC-fueled catty bullshit and the ever important transgender bathroom issue.

    Fuck. You are such a teevee zombie.

  162. Rutherford? I have a serious question. 😈

    When you and your wife waved your “Change you can Believe In” signs in 2008, was this the change you two were rooting for?

    Republicans Now Control Record Number of State Legislative Chambers

  163. It’s not about “fun”. This is serious.

    8 fucking years with Granny Felony, her reset button, and her pay-to-play, followed by Lurch, hashtags, and James Fucking Taylor?

    Listen, at least Bolton actually likes America, and is far less likely to get rolled while representing this country than Hills and Dejean Kerre’.

  164. “Actually I saw that on The 11th Hour last night and it was pretty chilling. Some idiot – a former SS agent, obviously uninformed – said it was very hard to protect Trump at Trump Tower. But what does she know? Tigre knows better.”

    When Butch Maddow was prattling on about a “protective press detail”, I chortled.

    Then I realized xe was serious, and then I laughed out loud.

    “Protective press detail” is probably the single most ridiculous bit of inane puffery I have ever heard these tools utter out loud.

  165. I wonder how much money Trump could raise for his wall if he cut off all sanctuary colleges, cities, and states from a dime of federal funding.

  166. I heard a question posed today that got me wondering. The “abolish the oppressive electoral college when it doesn’t work for your candidate but otherwise it’s cool” movement constantly refers to the popular vote for Hillary nationally exceeding Trump’s. How do we know that’s true?

    In 2012, 23.3 million people who cast civilian or military absentee ballots. I don’t think those are counted in most instances unless needed to to declare a victor.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/21/for-many-americans-election-day-is-already-here/

    I recall that the particularly when it comes to military absentee ballots, the voting pattern is usually strongly in favor of the GOP as everyone might remember in 2004 and 2008.

    I don’t have an answer to this, even after looking.

  167. “I wonder how much money Trump could raise for his wall if he cut off all sanctuary colleges, cities, and states from a dime of federal funding.”

    He could build a wall around the globe with the funding and waste associated with the global warming CO2 emissions hoax.

  168. Oh, there is more than enough government waste to fund a lot of useful things. I was trying to make a connection, though. Fund the border wall with the money normally given to those that encourage and protect those that illegally cross it.

    Those entities would either be funding the wall, in a sense, or would cease their illegal activities. It’s win-win.

  169. I’m also curious how people would react to the government confiscating land needed for the wall through eminent domain. It’s my understanding there’s a lot of private land on that border causing a logistical problem for proposed walls and fences.

  170. International borders are a lot like sidewalks. If your lawn goes right to the street and there isn’t any physical sidewalk technically the gub’mint can take three feet any time it wants.

  171. I followed you, Huck.

    We are talking about the effect of reversing the CO2 emission EPA endangerment finding through executive order. And I was throwing my “wishful thinking” hip into it.

    Don’t know if it would work, but it just might be crazy enough to ultimately bring it to the Supreme Court and get a reversal. Like as crazy as thinking Trump could win a presidential election.

  172. ET I can tell you MA was prosecuted in 2008 for violating the law covering overseas and military votes from 2002 to ’08. The Bay State entered into an agreement to have Jim Crow level oversight enacted. States fuck people.

  173. Alfie, what’d they come up with? Are they counted along with the other ballots, do they only get dusted off as a tie-breaker, or something else?

  174. Reading some comments, someone pointed out Mitt’s expertise ate turning around screw-ups, and would be good to run the VA, which I agree with.

  175. In looking at the wiki descriptions of the jobs, Outsourcer Mitt taking a job that is meant to “promote American business and industry” might be a tough sell. It looks like Treasury might be more up his ally. And evidently 1 of the names previously floated for that job isn’t interested.

  176. To be honest, I wouldn’t mind seeing Trump get rid of a few agencies, but I’m sure he won’t because there is far too much power to be had in ruling through agencies.

  177. Yeah. Chilling. MSNBC was right. Trump never should’ve run.

    The verdict is in. You really are a fucking idiot.

    What does his current vulnerability have to do with his running for POTUS? It just might be a good idea for him to relocate to a safer location now that he’s in the bull pen for leader of the free world.

    Seriously are you stoned?

  178. When Butch Maddow was prattling on about a “protective press detail”, I chortled.

    I wasn’t talking about the “protective” press detail. I was talking about concerns of the actual Secret Service.

  179. How do we know that’s true?

    It may well not be true when all is said and done but libs need something to hold onto.

    Your bigger point is actually scary if true. EVERY vote should count. There should not be a subset counted only in a close election.

  180. Sarah Palin wants Secretary of the Interior so she can eliminate the department and her job along with it. I’m not kidding.

    Can’t do it yet. We need someone to negotiate the drilling rights for the Grand Canyon, and other national parks, and the timber sales for clear cutting after we get the oil out…:-P

  181. @ ET the rules are essentially as follows.
    Votes are counted after the polls close on Election Day. This reporting is strictly speaking the “unofficial” vote as depending on your state the tabulations filter up from local municipality to county to state. Within a few days ALL absentee and military votes (they are technically two different things) are counted and added to the tab and then the Governors office or Sec of State announces the “official” results.
    The kicker is we’re all used to the “unofficial” numbers being adequate.
    MA got in trouble for not being able to match up ballots out to ballots in & counted which was a violation of the UOCAVA.

    https://www.eac.gov/blogs/heres_what_happens_after_the_polls_close_on_election_day/

    Here’s the MA case:
    https://www.justice.gov/crt/agreement-between-united-states-america-and-secretary-commonwealth-massachusetts-regarding-data

  182. It’s the truth, Rutherford. And, yeah, they hate conservative Christians even more than just conservatives.

    As a student, I was the chief editor of a student-run academic journal. It was my job to select content, cover material, etc. I had chosen a cover photo of a small canoe-ish boat on a river with a sunrise in the background. The photo was taken in China. Without my approval or even consulting me, the faculty advisor for the program made “an executive decision” to nix my cover for one with Buddist flags and some monks, citing that the other one looked “too religious”. I was never informed and only saw the change when I received a published copy.

    It was obvious that “too religious” really meant “too Christian”, even though there was nothing Christian or religious about it. It was simply the way she viewed the scene in the photo. What made it worse was that the replaced it with a photo that was absolutely religious–but a religion she seemed to like better.

    That journal won awards every year I ran it. After that happened, I told them “no thanks” when they asked me to return.

  183. “Oh please yourself. I didn’t even click your links. I never said Obama never did it. I said the Press doesn’t like it. Don’t be a mo-ron.”

    Oh we know. As I said, Chaz and the liberal lunatics said nothing about the horrible transgressions of operating without the “protective press detail” when it came to their god Obama.

    Yeah. Me neither.

    See if you can follow the point, Blondie.

    Suddenly, the “protective press detail” that Chaz was going on and on and on about to demonstrate how irresponsible Trump was for not surrounding himself with all the protection a gaggle of beta males from the liberal media that loathe him and his family results in a 5 minute bizarro-world rant. This is so fucking dumb, that fact that you buy into it as legitimate criticism worthy of discussion is troubling.

    What are the chances Obama ate in the main dining room of a restaurant or whatever stupid liberal media observation you’ve latched on to signify his unfitness to be president without a peep?

    I’ll go out on a limb and say 100%.

    Now you care. Because MSNBC told you to care. Like the dumb Ben Carson bullshit.

    I can’t wait for more. You guys really know what’s important. 😆

  184. “What does his current vulnerability have to do with his running for POTUS?”

    Not a fucking thing, dumbass. That’s the point. MSNBC includes it as part of it’s endless stream of Trump bashing. He’s proved irresponsible yet again. 🙄

    It can’t get any more ridiculous. AGAIN, this is the stupid bullshit we can expect to hear ad nauseum from the left rather than honest and meaningful dialogue/reporting.

  185. Ok Tigre, I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume a few competing stories are confusing you. Let’s break it down.

    1) Protective detail: this is about the “need” of the press to be there when the POTUS gets his head blown off so they can report it immediately. They don’t like any POTUS ditching them. They didn’t like it when Obama did it and they don’t like Trump doing it. Contrary to what you think, I don’t give two shits about it.
    2) Secret Service concerns: this one I do find troubling. It’s got NOTHING to do with the press. This is about the president-elect residing in a fucking tourist attraction in congested midtown Manhattan. Folks everywhere who can’t be screened. High rise buildings everywhere where snipers could hide. A full access street where any car bomb could go off. It’s a potential clusterfuck that an ex-SS agent identified as dangerous. I think the Donald should relocate. You may disagree. It’s not anti-Trump spin. Nobody sane wants the guy hurt.
    3) The 21 Club: I’ve been arguing about this on Facebook all day. The spin is that Donald promised tax breaks to his rich friends while he ate there. I’ve been telling hair-on-fire libs that Donald ate in the main dining room of an expensive steakhouse, not at some private club. I went on to say that I could have splurged and taken my wife there and Donald would have promised me a tax cut. I advocated that the Donald, contrary to media spin, probably called himself reassuring “regular” people, not “rich friends”.

    I hope that sorts things out but I’m guessing it probably doesn’t.

  186. Huck I’m glad you quit that journal. They sound like assholes. And the kicker, as you said, was they substituted a secular photo with a religious one contrary to their stated motive.

    I’ve gone on record here as critical of the campus gestapos. College is for the free exchange of ideas, even those which make you uncomfortable. I’ve made this point on the Harvard Facebook page to the dismay of some of my friends.

  187. That Brad Parscale video was fascinating. This is where Trump had an advantage over previous candidates. He had the contacts.

    Republicans will always will on the level playing field. No question, their policies are better – especially considering the massive failure demonstrated the last eight years.

  188. “I hope that sorts things out but I’m guessing it probably doesn’t.”

    You are an idiot of epic proportions. You really are.

    I told you the point multiple times. I gave you links. The Maddow video speaks for itself. I watched the “reporting” and commentary you TiVo on your beloved and hilariously beclowned station.

    You can repeat the dumb stories a hundred different ways and throw every weird-assed twist you’d like into it to try and convince yourself it’s serious, but it’s not. It’s just the usual liberal media trashing and misdirection. You always buy into and defend it, poorly, because you can’t admit how stupid this shit all is.

    This routine is as cheap and stupid with Romney as it is now with Trump. That is and remains the point. Trying to fill in irrelevant details after the fact doesn’t change it.

    Now it’s time for everybody to get back to concerning themselves with how Trump’s picks are racist, anti semitic, somethingoranotherphobic — whatever imagery gets a dumbfuck liberal’s heart atwitter. Hell, the 21 Club is not even a “steakhouse” but I guess describing it that way signifies something to the imbecile cartel you embrace.

    No rational person cares whether the “protective press pool” doesn’t like “going dark” (oooooh, such an ominous industry term they’re sharing with us), or that Trump ducked out to have dinner with his family, or that his penthouse presents a unique security concern. Let it go.

  189. No rational person cares whether the “protective press pool” doesn’t like “going dark” (oooooh, such an ominous industry term they’re sharing with us), or that Trump ducked out to have dinner with his family, or that his penthouse presents a unique security concern. Let it go.

    Yes, yes and no. Your reading comprehension or lack thereof still amazes me. If you bothered to read what I wrote I said the protective press pool and 21 Club dinner were nothingburgers. I disagree with you about the Trump Tower safety concerns. But what further confuses me is how you interpret reporting on these safety concerns as anti-Trump. I don’t get that at all.

    Tigre, the reason I think one day we might understand each other is I believe there is a unicorn shitting skittles outside my window. I’m the eternal optimist. 🙂

  190. I’d put it out there that Trump going “dark” is actually in the best interest of everyone in a security sense. And by everyone I mean the civilians that rate as collateral damage if someone wanted to whack POTUS Elect.

  191. Actually the tower is only slightly less secure than an airport or national tourism entity. If after January Trump returns to the tower it should be treated low key. I imagine he’ll be doing Margo(FL) and Camp David forr respite time though.

  192. Actually the tower is only slightly less secure than an airport

    I doubt many Presidents ever see the inside of an airport. It’s strictly plane to plane and plane to limo.

  193. I would say the Trump Tower location is small change in threat compared to the constant barrage of black separatists, anarchists, and white trash continually stoking the flames of hatred – like threatening assassination attempts on Twitter.

    When is Barack Obama and the Democratic leadership going to openly condemn these actions?

  194. On a real wonky note:
    I’ve been watching webinars to maintain my PMP credential and I stumbled upon the notion of using Agile Project Management techniques in government. If you look for #scrumgov on Twitter you’ll see a bunch of tweets on the subject. I think I heard in one of the vids I watched that in the state of Washington, all tech related regulations are reevaluated annually and sunset if they no longer apply – based on the quickly evolving state of tech,.

    P.S. Hey Alfie – Mitt for Secretary of State?

  195. “When is Barack Obama and the Democratic leadership going to openly condemn these actions?”

    I’d be interested to hear a real answer from someone who fancies themself a liberal. I’m genuinely mystified.

  196. “But what further confuses me is how you interpret reporting on these safety concerns as anti-Trump. I don’t get that at all.”

    I watched MSNBC.

  197. “When is Barack Obama and the Democratic leadership going to openly condemn these actions”

    Their temper tantrums and violence are acceptable because they are protesting the voting of deplorable 2nd class citizens. Duh.

  198. Rutherford re Romney. I’ve seen more and more chatter about that but the dynamics are what they are. Of course with this election what’s another shocking twist?
    I would totally support the idea and give Mitt a pass on his opinions of Trump. At this point it is truly all about the country and not the personalities.
    I also think a Monday or Tuesday announcement helps with the weekend pant wetting over Sessions from mushrooming for a whole week.

  199. ’d be interested to hear a real answer from someone who fancies themself a liberal. I’m genuinely mystified.

    Rabbit, who does not fancy himself a liberal answered the question.

    One of the reasons some of you have actively disdained me over the years is my assumption of moral superiority. I have discovered this is a liberal affliction.

    Obama and company will ignore the malicious protesters because only conservative evil could have driven them to riot and threaten violence. The assumption is that we libs are inherently good and any wrong we do is a response to the deplorables.

  200. “Obama and company will ignore the malicious protesters because only conservative evil could have driven them to riot and threaten violence. The assumption is that we libs are inherently good and any wrong we do is a response to the deplorables.”

    So you have to compartmentalize your liberalism? You know its not true dont you?

    Can you even name one liberal who speaks the truth about the violent riots? Where is the compassion for the people getting beat up?

    Sometimes I have to walk 3-4 blocks clear out of my way to get to work because it seems so completely wrong to try and walk through them trying not to make eye contact like theyre grizzly bears or something.

    Obama doesnt want peace. I think I just came up with the answer myself. Dem leaders who could tamp it down dont want it tamped down.

  201. You need only to listen to Obamas remarks from his farewell tour to know that the man lies constantly. He probably lies in his dreams.

  202. So you have to compartmentalize your liberalism?

    If you don’t compartmentalize you end up saying things like “I hate all liberals” or “I hate all conservatives”. If you don’t compartmentalize you can’t sit in front of the tv on election night, half of you hoping we don’t elect a reality star as leader of the free world and half of you hoping the arrogant chick and her legion of arrogant supporters get to eat a huge plate of crow. Yes this year in particular I compartmentalize like crazy.

  203. “You need only to listen to Obamas remarks from his farewell tour to know that the man lies constantly. He probably lies in his dreams.”

    LOL. No shit.

    I love how the dems confuse the most superficial, self-aggrandizing yet articulate bullshit for wisdom and grace. It blows me away. Look what the fucker is saying and doing for his swan song on a substantive level. What a douchebag.

  204. Can you even name one liberal who speaks the truth about the violent riots?

    In my recent experience only when confronted. A woman I greatly admire posted a plea on Facebook for folks to behave better but it was mainly aimed at conservatives. I reminded her that some libs were tweeting “rape Melania” and she then acknowledged that was wrong to do.

    Libs believe taking the high road is in their DNA. They are blind to the misbehavior of their fellow travelers.

    You may find this hard to believe but I’ve got conservatives on Facebook thanking me for being even handed in my commentary there.

  205. I felt in the immediate aftermath of the election Obama was pitch perfect. I’m watching him abroad and he’s starting to look both full of himself and condescending toward the Donald.

    Donny Deutsch, a full blown liberal, said today that Trump will do very well with heads of state because he is truly charming. He knows how to butter folks up.

    I have a fantasy of a Trump presidency that competes with the liberal narrative. But then as I said earlier, unicorns shit skittles outside my window.

  206. The quote posted by Muffy looks a lot like what I heard 4 star general Barry McCaffrey say on TV last night. Flynn balked at ISIL being referred to as Jayvee and was summarily fired.

    McCaffrey also said we have Flynn, McCrystal and Petraeus to thank for no repeat of 9/11.

    As of this moment, I have no problem with Flynn as NSA.

  207. “You may find this hard to believe but I’ve got conservatives on Facebook thanking me for being even handed in my commentary there.”

    On the contrary I find that easy to believe.

  208. re: Sessions.

    I’ve been insanely busy this week and in a defacto apolitical state of mind. I’m also pretty ignorant about who Sessions is.

    It’s kind of scary how the MSM can permeate the mind. Seems like one has to seek out conservative spin, liar-prog spin is just out there in the ether.

    Subconsciously I was thinking, why did Trump go with the old racist?…

  209. “The Stossel vids were interesting. Not sure how I feel about them yet.”

    Let me help you with the deliberations.

    Heresy!

  210. Rutherford, I have told you you are becoming more like us.

    The men who tried to kill or hospitalize me were unrestrained by our officers so something bad happening to me would let them press heavier chargers.

    Unlike Hillary with Benghazi, our officers regretted what they did and tried to make amends. Over the course of a year, fifteen of the offenders non- violently disappeared.

    I have compartmentalized since that time, because some of the people I know and like would probably have joined the bad guys.

    No liberals of note have criticized the riots because if they had the guts, they would join them in the streets. Or they like more moderate Muslims are afraid the jackels will turn on them if they move out of line.

  211. From the prior thread:

    “I asked my wife just tonight what do the protesters want?”

    They want what they are unwilling to give.

  212. Subconsciously I was thinking, why did Trump go with the old racist?…

    Why do you resist that thought? Instead of resisting it, research it and come to your own conclusion. Rejecting MSM spin out of hand is just as stupid as accepting it.

    I can accept that the kkk pot joke was just that, a joke. I’m still looking into the rest of it.

  213. Sessions isn’t a racist and the media is totally digging the hole it is in deeper and deeper.
    The Left is in utter disarray and richly deserves it.

  214. Sessions is not a racist, not much “research” required, and merely looking at what the foundation os for the accusations says it all. This racist shit is more of the same from the weak-minded left. Rutherford could’ve figured that out in about as much time as it ook him to type out his comment. Fuck the left.

    “They want what they are unwilling to give.” -Huck

    Precisely.

  215. Saying Sessions is or isn’t a racist without backup facts is just bloviating. When I get a spare minute I’m gonna read through the guy’s bio.

    He failed to be confirmed for a judge appointment years ago due to his racial insensitivity. A GOP strategist said he was “borked”.

    I don’t like BLM any more than most of you but BLM is a reality and we need an AG who can walk the fine line of fairness.

  216. So I’m watching an interview with ex Governor of New Mexico Bill Richardson. He’s condemning Trump’s early picks and then utters this gem: “I don’t know the facts, but …”

    If you don’t know the facts then STFU. I fast forwarded through the remaining ten minutes of the interview. Ten minutes talking to a guy who said he doesn’t know the facts. 🙄

    I’m telling you, ideology is not our enemy. Stupidity is.

  217. To the cast of Hamilton: shut up and sing. I don’t pay you for political speeches. I pay to be entertained. Pence paid to be entertained and deserved no less.

    I’m fucking glad Trump tweeted about it. Let this guy keep his Twitter account. It’s what keeps this shit real.

  218. When I get a spare minute I’m gonna read through the guy’s bio.

    Actually, I know what some of his professional accomplishments are, and they carry far more weight than what the ACLU and the NAACP claimed to know about what is in his heart.

    The currently beclowned state of Leftism is its own damn fault. When you continually claim an undeserved moral high ground based solely on subjective measures which can never, ever be rebutted by objective evidence, sooner or later, you’re bound to lose credibility with everyone not outside of an ever-shrinking bubble.

  219. “Saying Sessions is or isn’t a racist without backup facts is just bloviating.”

    What facts can be presented to prove a negative? A test, perhaps?

  220. Sessions is not a racist, not much “research” required

    Kinda stupid. Research always required. The guy wasn’t accused in a vacuum. He ain’t mlk jr. The question to be answered is would he lynch mlk jr? 😉

  221. What facts can be presented to prove a negative? A test, perhaps?

    I believe I heard he once prosecuted the KKK. That would certainly refute any notion that he won’t enforce the laws fairly.

    I don’t give two shits what’s in his heart. I’m not having him over for dinner. I want to know he’s executed his various responsibilities fairly and color-blind.

  222. To the cast of Hamilton: shut up and sing. I don’t pay you for political speeches. I pay to be entertained. Pence paid to be entertained and deserved no less.

    Everything I’ve come to expect from the tolerant diversity seekers of the Left.

    Classless. Cowardly. Rude.

    But it is [predictably] being feted as brave, principled, and noble by the usual suspects.

    Afterall, if their President of choice can use an occasion to falsely and ignorantly berate and belittle the SCOTUS at the SOTU, then its totes appropo for for a bunch of trained monkeys to do the same to a Vice President Elect, right? (Especially when the “criticism” being leveled is as misinformed as Barry’s was, amirite?)

  223. If you don’t know the facts then STFU. I fast forwarded through the remaining ten minutes of the interview. Ten minutes talking to a guy who said he doesn’t know the facts.

    Skip Gates is on the phone for you. Something about revoking your secret Organzing For America Dog Whistle decoder ring.

  224. The guy wasn’t accused in a vacuum. He ain’t mlk jr.

    A vacuum would be preferable to the knee-jerk accuation/response to the nomination.

    The question to be answered is would he lynch mlk jr? 😉

    If Sessions’ Senate colleague, Robert “Sheets” Byrd, was available for private comment, I’m pretty sure his response would be “Lynch ’em? Hell no! He’d be more valuable on our vote plantation! Everyone has a price. We’ll find his, and buy him with taxpayer money!”

  225. GOP strategist Hogan Gidley went as far as to say Jeff Sessions “broke the back of the KKK in Alabama.”

    The WAPO reporter in the same segment said basically “yes but he has said bad things”.

    That exchange helps Sessions.

  226. To the cast of Hamilton: shut up and sing. I don’t pay you for political speeches. I pay to be entertained. Pence paid to be entertained and deserved no less.

    Even better, when Trump called out the offender on Twitter, the offender claimed that it was a “conversation”. No doubt inspired by Eric Holder’s “Conversations (Lectures)” about race.

    What a great example Obama, Holder, and company have set for their followers over the last 8 years.

  227. On the other hand a subsequent guest said Sessions turned a blind eye toward church burnings and launched a baseless pursuit against black voter fraud.

    I can’t speak to the church burnings, although knowing how much the Left LOVES to wave the bloody shirt, I tend to find this…dubious.

    As for baseless pursuit against black voter fraud, from the Wikipedia entry on Sessions:

    “In 1985, Sessions prosecuted three African American community organizers in the Black belt of Alabama, including Martin Luther King Jr’s former aide Albert Turner, for voter fraud. The prosecution stirred charges of selective prosecution of Black voter registration and was based on no more than 14 tampered ballots. The defendants, known as the Marion Three, were quickly acquitted.[14] Interviewed in 2009, Sessions said he remained convinced that he did the right thing, but admitted he “failed to make the case.”[15]”

    “No more than 14 tampered ballots”. What is the magic number for conversion from baseless to “baseful” [?].

    I don’t know if this was tried to a jury. If it was then I would be willing to suggest that it would make a difference in outcome. I also don’t know how he did prosecuting the case, but I do know that every lawyer can say they’ve won cases they should have lost, and lost cases they should have won. It’s like that.

  228. “Kinda stupid. Research always required.”

    I didn’t say “no research,” dumbfuck.

    No get to it. You can pause your MSNBC.

    Gawd. “Disprove he’s a racist. Go fuck yourself.

    The best part of this shit is that the non-MSNBC watching world is finally getting so tired of the cheap, dishonest, vile and unsupported accusations that we may reach a point where the the false accusation is met with as much dosdain as the truthfulness of the accusation itself.

  229. Church burning thing was a concocted lie that had a lot more depth to it than blacks and racism etc.
    Sessions attended a hate summit back in 96 over the issue. The overall politics of the time equals wool over ones eyes.

  230. “I don’t give two shits what’s in his heart. I’m not having him over for dinner. I want to know he’s executed his various responsibilities fairly and color-blind.”

    How nice of you to finally give a shit about that part. Never mattered to liberal shitheads before.

  231. How many people are getting twitter SWATed for comments against the audience member douchebags and the shit bag cast?
    I like live theater but don’t like any entertainer inserting their agenda upon me. The ticket gets me a show not a dinner platter of bullshit.

  232. BiC, a leftie believing that a failure to secure a conviction as proof of Sessions’ racial animus is so fucking ironic it’s just mind numbing.

  233. “Even better, when Trump called out the offender on Twitter, the offender claimed that it was a “conversation”. No doubt inspired by Eric Holder’s “Conversations (Lectures)” about race.”

    Remember all those “conversations” with Obama?

    Oh yeah. That was called racism then.

  234. The left wing dominant sissy class is ramping up the anti-Trump stuff. The art fag Hamilton cast and some fucking glorified seamstress who has dressed Michelle (thought she bought Target off rack) has called on her fellow seamstresses not to dress any of the Trump females.
    The left will welcome these dubious discriminatory acts while they deny bakers and florists their rights to free association.
    FUCK THE LEFT

  235. On another Hamilton type of note…
    I’ve been getting involved in what is likely very much a losing battle. My task is to help resurrect the truth that a handful of white guys did indeed make this country great.
    The Howard Zinn style of feel good inclusive horseshit is quite simply wrong and grotesquely dishonest.
    US History is full of uncomfortable truths and shying away from them is just as negative as our current stock of outright revisionist fantasy.
    FUCK THE LEFT

  236. “a handful of white guys did indeed make this country great”

    I’m not sure if I agree with that, but I will agree that a handful of white guys did indeed make this great country.

  237. Years ago, a liberal called Howard Zinn an historian, and I argued he was a propagandist.

    I am not going to research the racial beliefs of anyone like Pence on the Trump team who faces racial accusations because we already know the quality of racists from the president on down who have set a low standard. They would have to be worse than our current crop for me to be upset.

    More than a handful of white guys made this a great country, and they borrowed political and economic theory from other white guys a thousand or more years old.

    Obviously others helped build the US, but this was largely a white male enterprise. One of them, Hamilton, must be rotating in his grave.

  238. Stick with WISE men made America great and leave race out of it.

    I’d love to.

    Unfortunately, their race is frequently cited as one of the reasons why we should discount or abandon their wisdom.

    “The Constitution? It was written by rich old white guys. It can’t possibly be relevant today.”

  239. I’m telling you, ideology is not our enemy. Stupidity is.

    Stupid ideology is rampant and destructive. Stamped with government approval, it can be genocidal.

    I don’t give two shits what’s in his heart.

    You should. Motive is THE bottom line. It regulates fairness and colors one’s view.

  240. By the way, Rutherford fucks goats. Proove he doesn’t at least fantasize about it. You people can’t. The only reason some of you get all clammy about this is because you fuck goats too.

  241. Facebook is being pressured to judge which posts are true and which are not because false stories may have elected Trump. A little knowledge and common sense shows the truth. Progressives want to twist the truth to their advantage. They are trying to cover their lies.

    However, lies are always with us.

    To say that a small group of white men created our revolution is right depending on the definition. It is also wrong. The truth is complicated.

  242. Revisionist history is like in my top 5 hated things. The Zinnification of US History is especially irksome like a prostate exam by someone with a catchers mitt.
    Rutherford I would really like you to expand on your comment:

    To say white men made America great when blacks were in no position to do so really misses the point.

  243. White men provided the theoretical framework for our concept of an American union. White men publicized their opposition to the crown and inflamed mobs. They also led our revolutionary armies.

    However, the third of the population of colonists who supported revolution included a diverse group of people. Some were my ancestors who fought in the revolution while others of my family supported Britain and later became Canadians.

    So, while white men provided the framework, a diverse band of people made the new country possible.

  244. I love how the MSM is all outraged and bitchy about “fake news” on social media that is so obviously fake yet still believe the in-depth analysis of folks like Maddow and Hayes is Pulitzer quality stuff.
    The left has been served a temporary repudiation of EVERYTHING it stands for and they can’t accept that truth or that their actions caused it.

  245. So, while white men provided the framework, a diverse band of people made the new country possible.

    Yeah but that diversity was still an overwhelmingly Eurocentric amalgam. This too is to be expunged from our collective history because it excludes the blacks,tans and yellows.
    Warts and all euro-whitey formed this nation. They did great things,mediocre things and more than a few outright shitty things.
    That individuals of other backgrounds eventually did awesome stuff too doesn’t detract from anyone. It is unfortunate our education system is so morally bankrupt that it first hid these feats and then knee jerked into isolating them as a one race one month celebration. This sin culminated in enshrining blacks in their own Smithsonian. Folks that view that fucking thing as great are forgetting their history.

  246. To say white men made America great when blacks were in no position to do so really misses the point.

    I know blacks fought in the revolution.
    That said, I’m unaware of any at that time in history ANYWHERE who had the intellectual chops to stand with the Framers and Founders.
    Which is not to say that they didn’t come along later…Fredrick Douglass and George Washington Carver are two who come to mind.

  247. I wonder in what ways the founding of the country would’ve been different if the blacks were involved to a greater degree. I fathom not iota.

    Does anyone here think that the blacks political/philosophical bent would’ve resembled anything akin to modern liberalism?

    (yes R, I already know that you would say it is non-inclusion itself that in many led to modern progressivism, i.e. tying to correct the historical transgressions. I am truly curious if someone, you in particular, can enlighten before reactively calling it a pointless exercise)

  248. I am as certain as I am that the sky is blue that no diverse group of people black, red or white could have created the nation we live in. Not even another group of all white people from another place or time could have created what our founding fathers did.We are unique for reason. Some South American nations copied parts of our Constitution and even they failed.

  249. “There is (a) class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … ”

    “There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” ~ Booker T. Washington

    Don’t read of many colored people anymore that think like BTW…

  250. You should. Motive is THE bottom line. It regulates fairness and colors one’s view.

    Poolman I hear you but I would counter that laws only change actions, not hearts and minds. In fact, a bigot restricted in his actions is most likely to become a more hardened bigot.

    The government is there to make sure people’s ACTIONS do not trample on the liberty of others. What’s in their hearts must be influenced by family, church and other social agencies.

  251. By the way, Rutherford fucks goats. Proove he doesn’t at least fantasize about it. You people can’t. The only reason some of you get all clammy about this is because you fuck goats too.

    Huck tried this line of attack and it failed then too.

    The question the media is asking (or weighing in on) is the wrong question. It is NOT, is Sessions a racist. The question should be does Sessions have a history of judgments biased against people of color.

    The prosecution of the Alabama KKK speaks volumes to his ability to render fair justice. The pursuit of black fraudulent voters seems ambiguous at best.

    So far, I’ve heard the competing stories and have not done my own reading but as it stands now, I do not believe that the appointment of Sessions to AG means the end of civil rights as we know it.

    He will not pander to BLM and that obviously will disturb many libs.

  252. “Huck tried this line of attack and it failed then too.”

    When I did it, it was in response to Harry Reid making accusations against Mitt Romney and suggesting it was Romney’s responsibility to debunk them, rather than Reid’s responsibility to prove them.

    Prove me wrong, goat fucker 😀

  253. FWIW I think Sessions will be really hard on the protected classes when they try to get away with shit under the toddler like bullshit of “we’re downtrodden wah wah”.
    I think private contract prisons just got a reprieve and that’s a serious mixed bag.
    There may actually be some movement on criminal justice rehab and if Trump puts his mouth on the line with his AG the opiate issue will probably enjoy some favor.
    I also think all the states that legalized the MJ will be under internal duress,meaning the weed & cash can’t cross state lines.
    As for goats I don’t even like feta cheese so I’m out.

  254. On the humor side,well sorta, I hate home ownership. Just had to do some DIY and it included being in the attic laying across some insulation with drywall dust and DAMN!

    @Rutherford yes that IS what the question should be but just howling Racist! is so much more effective amongst the simple folks.

  255. What irritates me a lot more about the “Hamilton” cast isn’t what they said, but who they are.

    For a long time now we’ve been seeing the left get their panties in a bunch about appropriation and white people being cast in non-white roles. Now we have people of color playing the parts of the white Framers and not a peep.

    It’s just another of the millions of examples of hypocrisy being displayed by the clueless left. They are losing the country because they don’t get it…and they still don’t even get that they don’t get it.

  256. I’m sorry. The MSM has been asking the wrong question about Rutherford’s goat fucking. Or were they ever asking a question in the first place? Simply creating a new meme of Rutherfodian goat fucking?

    Any ways…we shouldn’t be wondering about Rutherford’s goat lust.

    Now what I want to know is are there some concrete actions by Rutherford involving goats? Why does Rutherford take goats to the edge of a cliff? Because they push back? It’s inconclusive.

    And we know why Rutherford’s boots are 3 sizes to big. Don’t we? Wink wink.

    Oh, I’m just kidding.

    Let’s only mention Rutherford and goats 20,000 times on ABC, MSNBC, NBC, CNN and CBS. No real accusations.

    The jury is still out. Surely the American people will take the time and vet this possibility.

  257. On this whole “Trump has shaken when he found out the extent of the job” meme…

    Anyone who claims to know the extent of being the leader of the Free World before they get there is full of shit, because anyone who knew what they were getting into would be smart enough to say “no fucking thanks!”

  258. Democrats keep saying they aren’t going to roll over on Dodd-Frank.

    I think they are forgetting that congress lacks teeth in law enforcement and that it’s up to the Executive to decide when, how, and if laws are enforced. Such an idea was the basis for the Obama Imperial Presidency and they were warned about the precedents that were being set.

    If Trump wants an end to Dodd-Frank then there isn’t jack shit Democrats can do about it….for at least 4 years, anyway.

    The same goes for ObamaCare. Mandates don’t mean shit if they aren’t enforced. Trump can order the IRS to ignore people not having health insurance or paying the fine, he can tell officials to ignore insurance companies refusing to cover those with pre-existing conditions. He can completely dismantle any facet of the law he wants just by telling the enforcement mechanisms not to do their job. And in this case, the system wouldn’t survive a 4-year wait.

    Obama did this. Rutherford and millions of others cheered. Everyone else paying attention warned against it. We were ignored.

    Now it’s too late.

  259. I think everyone missed a key admission from Rutherford here.

    The government is there to make sure people’s ACTIONS do not trample on the liberty of others. What’s in their hearts must be influenced by family, church and other social agencies.

    I’m pretty sure Satan is stocking up on rock salt. If Rutherford can figure this out, then his conversion to something resembling conservatism can’t be to far away.

  260. Facebook is being pressured to judge which posts are true and which are not because false stories may have elected Trump.

    Apparently some gang of nimrods in Macedonia are getting paid to produce fake stuff that many dumb Americans are eating up.

    I think the topic of what responsibility if any Zuckerberg has for “promoting” BULLSHIT is worth consideration.

  261. Rutherford I would really like you to expand on your comment:
    To say white men made America great when blacks were in no position to do so really misses the point.

    To me this is like saying the 20/20 eyesight team beat the blind team in the speed reading competition. Unfair advantage to put it mildly.

    The undercurrent of saying white men founded our great nation is to confer upon them some racial superiority which does not exist. Had Africans voluntarily come to our shores, and been on an equal power basis with European immigrants, their contributions to the founding would have been as notable.

    I’m not familiar with Zinn’s teachings so I can’t defend nor condemn him.

    I will also add, history = his story. As in much of history is a story narrated by the powerful and never to be taken as gospel truth.

    If you have Netflix watch the documentary “The Witness” about the complete fiction behind the Kitty Genovese story. And, shit, that’s RECENT history and it’s a lie.

  262. Does anyone here think that the blacks political/philosophical bent would’ve resembled anything akin to modern liberalism?

    I see no reason to assume blacks, had they been empowered would have resembled the modern liberal any more so than whites.

    Booker T vs WEB Dubois shows how blacks reflected a diversity of political persuasion.

    That diversity still exists.

  263. “The undercurrent of saying white men founded our great nation is to confer upon them some racial superiority which does not exist. Had Africans voluntarily come to our shores, and been on an equal power basis with European immigrants, their contributions to the founding would have been as notable.”

    Nobody is arguing against that. We’re stating history. Regardless of WHY something happened, it did happen.

    But you’re also looking at this through your own narrow lens. Let’s broaden your scope a bit….

    What about the Chinese? What was stopping them from sailing across the ocean, discovering new lands, and setting up colonies that eventually rebelled and developed a unique system of government? Or India? Or Muslims? But it was Spain who beat them–even though it was further away.

    What about the Indians? They were already here. And they had the same natural resources available to them as anyone else.

    But none of them did. I’m not saying white people are better or smarter than any of those other groups. They aren’t. A lot of this was a matter of necessity. Those groups didn’t do the things the Founders did because they weren’t in a position to need to. They had found a relative stasis. Those who founded our country found themselves in circumstances they deemed unacceptable–so they changed it. In doing so, they created something very special.

    You look at this with a binary lens, forgetting there are a lot of colors between white and black.

  264. Apparently some gang of nimrods in Macedonia are getting paid to produce fake stuff that many dumb Americans are eating up.

    I’d suggest that you might tone down your condescension just a bit, but I’m afraid that you lack the perspective to understand just how much Obama’s “fundamental change” has caused reality to make life very hard for the people who write for The Onion.

    Such a great many things promulgated by Lord Zero and his retinue that even the most bent of the satirists couldn’t make up if they tried.

    I,think the topic of what responsibility if any Zuckerberg has for “promoting” BULLSHIT is worth consideration.

    Spoken like a true fascist. The law doesn’t agree with you, thankfully. Zuckerberg has no more responsibility for what is posted by others on his site than you do for what other post here. And considering that Ben Shapiro’s site is one of the ones that watcherless watchmen have determined to be “fake”, I think we have a good example of why this is a shitty idea.

  265. Had Africans voluntarily come to our shores, and been on an equal power basis with European immigrants, their contributions to the founding would have been as notable.

    Because the richness and success of classical liberal political thought in Africa, where they were equals with their neighbors at the time?

    I don’t think anyone is saying that Africans weren’t capable. I think it is a fair observation that there were none comparable at that time in history.

  266. “Booker T vs WEB Dubois shows how blacks reflected a diversity of political persuasion.

    That diversity still exists.”

    Pardon me? Approximately 90% of the black vote is unified in federal elections. In some urban areas, it’s 100%, in others 120% because there’s more votes than residents (but we know voter fraud doesn’t exist so the census must be wrong).

    What diversity are your referring to?

  267. When I did it, it was in response to Harry Reid making accusations against Mitt Romney and suggesting it was Romney’s responsibility to debunk them

    Eh no. That’s not what I was referencing. This was:

    What facts can be presented to prove a negative? A test, perhaps?

    BTW, my goats are VERY happy. 🐐🐐🐐🐐

  268. BiC, you stole my thunder. There’s nothing in the political history of Africa that I know of that would’ve spawned the political rebellion that led to our founding. Whatsoever.

    R, what would you point to?

  269. LOL Huck, I just saw Mike Huckabee tell Judge Jeannine that the irony of Hamilton’s plea for diversity is that their casting call basically said “whites need not apply”. LOL

  270. Obama did this.

    No Huck, at the very least Obama and Bush 43 did this and even that is unfair. The presidency has gotten more imperial year after year probably starting most notably under FDR.

    I find it hilarious that Obama will be blamed for all of Trumps future overreach and failures.

  271. In a town where everything is an illusion the accusation is all you need.

    I have a question tangential to Muffy’s comment. Was Mitts vitriolic opposition to Trump an illusion then or is what he’s doing BULLSHIT now?

  272. You look at this with a binary lens, forgetting there are a lot of colors between white and black.

    The analysis that preceded this comment was valid. To put a cliched summary to your point, necessity is often the mother of invention.

  273. I find it hilarious that Obama will be blamed for all of Trumps future overreach and failures.

    irony poisoning kicks in

    stabs atrophine pen into leg

    takes a few minutes to wait for breathing to return to normal

    fails because of the laughter

    You DO realize how stupid that sounds after everything was still Bush’s fault when Lord Zero was running for his second term, right?

  274. Zuckerberg has no more responsibility for what is posted by others on his site than you do for what other post here.

    I don’t disagree with you in principle. Censorship of misinformation is censorship nonetheless.

    With that said, hosting a forum that you know may be duping people seems a bit like whistling past the graveyard. (Or fiddling while Rome burns, take your pick.)

  275. What diversity are your referring to?

    I’m pointing to the diversity represented by every conservative black whom you’ve accused ME of calling an Uncle Tom. Can we start with Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas?

  276. “No Huck…”

    Yes Rutherford.

    Obama is who did exactly what I was discussing in that comment. Who else has multiple examples of ordering executive officials to ignore the law and of selectively applying it?

  277. Who else has multiple examples of ordering executive officials to ignore the law and of selectively applying it?

    I think it’s called executive discretion and is used by every POTUS to some degree.

  278. “I think it’s called executive discretion and is used by every POTUS to some degree.”

    Then you should have no problems providing some examples that rival the scale of the Obama administration.

    Look, you can try to argue all you want. The fact is that even leftie legal scholars were telling us that Obama was doing bad, unprecedented levels of shit in this area.

  279. “Was Mitts vitriolic opposition to Trump an illusion then or is what he’s doing BULLSHIT now?”

    What is he doing now exactly?

  280. So I’m playing Song Pop 2 on my iPhone at 10:30pm and I pick “metalcore” not knowing what I was getting into.

    My wife yells “turn that crap off!!!” And my daughter comes charging into the living room to protest. I got most of the songs wrong but I correctly guessed “Tastes Like Kevin Bacon”.

    Hearing my family complain made me feel young again. 😀😀😀

    I don’t know how Huck listens to this stuff on a regular basis. It crushes the brain.

    🎸🎸🎸🎸

  281. Metalcore is a particular subgenre and not one that personally prefer.

    But you wouldn’t likely be able to distinguish from that and what I do like, I suppose, so that comment doesn’t mean much. lol

    Getting to that place has been a progression. 30 years ago I wouldn’t have liked what I like today, and I often find myself somewhat bored with what I liked 30 years ago.

    It might be because music is as much about feeling as it is about listening for me. And like drugs, it takes more and more to get the same feeling. I don’t know.

  282. Gates accepted DoD even though he knew Obama was from the slow bleed party. Gates probably believed he could do good things for the country and the services. I think the same applies to Romney. He doesn’t have to like or respect his “boss” but he would have an obligation to do right by the USA. Romney past concern/alertness about Russia makes him a good diplomatic solution choice there. His views on China and the Pacific gel with Trump except for TPP.

  283. “I think it’s called executive discretion and is used by every POTUS to some degree.”

    Look. This ain’t hard. Having or believing you have the discretion (see SCOTUS rulings) and abusing that discretion are two different things. When you’re done researching or vetting Sessions (I assume that mean waiting for a few more episodes of Chris Hayes or something), a word or two in response to Huck would be appreciated.

  284. Throw in a TMOT on the house.
    How does it change things?

    Not sure what you’re looking to change. All I said is there is a diversity of opinion in the black (and every) community. I think this has always been true.

  285. Then you should have no problems providing some examples that rival the scale of the Obama administration.

    Wouldn’t FDR’s attempt to pack the court be a prime example?

  286. Metalcore is a particular subgenre

    I actually liked the apocalyptic sound but only in small doses. Plus I absolutely loved pissing my family off at 10:30 at night. Something is seriously amiss when the 12 year old tells the 55 year old to turn off that racket. 😀

  287. “Not sure what you’re looking to change. All I said is there is a diversity of opinion in the black (and every) community. I think this has always been true.”

    How that “diversity” would have loaned itself the founding principles from which they were excluded. The very question I posed.

    You are referring to an extreme minority which I don’t equate with “diversity” at all. And again, as I said, there is near unity in the black community. Chickn’ Lickn’ Boy is practically a Sasquatch.

  288. Gates accepted DoD even though he knew Obama was from the slow bleed party.

    To answer you and Muffy, there is no comparison there. Romney launched an explicit character assassination of Trump. It went beyond policy disputes and bled into issues of honesty, etc.

    I think Mitt would make a fine SoS but his accepting the position makes his prior bold denunciation a farce.

    I’m also slightly miffed at Mitt for a) not running and b) not formally endorsing McMullin. All Mitt did was flap his gums. He did nothing concrete to change the course of events. Donald probably noticed that which is why he’s willing to use Romney for image purposes.

    P.S. Mike Huckabee surprised me when he said Romney should not get the job based on past behavior.

  289. “Wouldn’t FDR’s attempt to pack the court be a prime example?”

    So you need to go back a dozen presidents and 3/4 of a century to find a single example of something you claim every president does.

    I think the case is now closed, thank you.

  290. So either I’m missing something or Richard Haass and Ian Brzinski are totally lost. They want Trump to have an “allies first” FP. Did I miss the memo? I thought Trump was going to have an America first FP.

  291. So you need to go back a dozen presidents and 3/4 of a century to find a single example of something you claim every president does.

    No I said the practice goes back at least as far as FDR and apparently you agree.

    Off the top of my head:
    1) Kennedy kicking Wallace’s ass off the front of the school building.
    2) Nixon famously saying if the POTUS does it, it can’t be illegal.
    3) Reagan trading arms for hostages.
    4) Clinton killing women and children in what many think was a mishandling of the Waco standoff.
    5) Bush 43 collecting metadata on innocent American civilians. By the way he also set the precedent for the Muslim registry that some fear Trump will reinstate.

    Now I’m no history buff so I’m guessing you’ll have an answer for all of these but you asked for multiple examples throughout recent history. You’ve got it.

  292. Nixon famously saying if the POTUS does it, it can’t be illegal.

    Nixon, at least, had the good sense and shame to resign.

    Barry’s now talking about staying in DC, no doubt to use the media’s platform to kibitz every chance he gets as Trump dismantle’s Barry’s house of executive orders.

  293. I think you’re straying, Rutherford.

    Nixon saying it isn’t illegal if the president does it doesn’t apply since he was forced to resign because of his illegal activity. It wasn’t lauded. And Bush 43 had the Patriot Act behind him, unless you’re speaking to something I forgot about.

    But even if we accept all of those examples as a display of Executive overreach, they don’t display what we started out talking about.

    Remember, we were discussing the Executive ordering officials to blatantly ignore the law, which in effect, revokes that law. And the revocation of law is, in itself, law. As such, it requires Congress.

    Nixon’s comment shows he certainly would have liked to have been able to give such an order, but the outcome shows that he clearly did not give it.

    Also, that you are able to find single examples also speaks to what we discussed. Obama has instructed officials to ignore multiple laws, multiple times. Doing it once simply adds another footnote to the annals of presidential history. A repeated pattern over 2 terms sets a dangerous precedent.

    So yes…Obama did this. If Trump does it, he should be blamed for what he does. But Obama will deserve the blame for Trump being able to get away with it. And he will get away with it.

  294. Also, Kennedy/Wallace doesn’t apply because Kennedy, while issuing a presidential proclamation, had the power of a federal court ruling behind him.

    This comes down to simple federalism. Actually, in this case Wallace was the executive that was ordering officials to ignore the law, not Kennedy. Kennedy was giving the order to enforce it.

  295. “Kennedy kicking Wallace’s ass off the front of the school building.”

    LOL. That was enforcement, Zipperhead. You can’t possibly be that ignorant of the event?

  296. “Kennedy kicking Wallace’s ass off the front of the school building.”

    You guys are a lot harder on R than I was.

    I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt based on his newfound conservative tendencies, and let him explain it as interference with education as power reserved to the states/local governments…so then we could explain that it wasn’t the issue in that case, but dayum, y’all found the “kick me” sign on his back, and obliged.

  297. BiC, the dude won’t admit Obama’s overreach and failure to carry out his constitutional duties to, you know, faithfully execute the laws. He denied Obama’s abuses time and time again, and over and over again. Whatever epiphany he’s having, he’s headed right back to the bullshit. Like with Lois Lerner (the “nothingburger”), we told him it was going to be a totally different ballgame when the shoe was on the other foot. Sharpen your steel toes. It’s for his own good.

  298. “Kennedy kicking Wallace’s ass off the front of the school building.”

    Like Trump go after Rham’s sanctuary city.

  299. The cry babies take it to the next level. This was posted on Facebook this evening.

    Please, please do this!! You can call/email the DOJ -Department of Justice- : 1-800-253-3931 or 202-353-1555
    email: voting.section@usdoj.gov
    I am told they are now “taking seriously” the calls to issue an injunction to thoroughly investigate the GOP/Trump voter suppression & collusion w/ FBI KGB WIKI hacking to destroy our democracy.
    You can text your zip code to 520-200-2223 and it will give you the names and phone numbers of your representatives and senators. Call them too!
    COPY AND PASTE TO YOUR FB PAGE
    instead of sharing. It will be seen by more of your friends. Please share to everyone you can. This is one of the only things that could halt Dec Electoral award to the Con man.

  300. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt based on his newfound conservative tendencies, and let him explain it as interference with education as power reserved to the states

    Actually BiC thank you. I was considering Kennedy’s move an encroachment on States rights (which I’m sure Wallace thought too).

    With that said I stand corrected that this is an example of enforcing the law, not selectively ignoring it.

    I give up. Obama very very bad man!!!

  301. I like what you all wrote while I was gone today. It is good enough in my opinion that high school freshman government classes should read the exchanges.

    I like Huck’s comment enough to add something to it. Our founders virtually had the attitudes and values leading to our nation in their DNA. Other populations were in worse straits and yet they were unable to match what our founding fathers did. Their previous past thousands of years so warped their culture that political and economic liberalism were more likely with Europeans than with other more favored populations.

    Europeans display more physical mutations like blue eyes and white skin than other “races” because extreme climate fluctuations ten to twenty thousand years ago threatened their existence. Abnormal competition for resources made them more aggressive and creative than they would have been.

    Europeans and Middle Easterners were also luckier than most because they were more favored by animals suitable for domestication.

    Fractious tribes fought for eons and evolved rudiments of representative governments. Some tribes borrowed ideas from the Greeks and Romans. The Vikings forced Europeans to form nation states, and they continued to fight as they had as tribes once the Vikings were absorbed.

    The Black Death and other plagues killed over a third of the population and the shortage of labor forced new political and economic theories on the ruling classes while technology also had to replace lost workers.

    Our founding fathers created our nation as it is because generations of adversity and political thought gave birth to their theories.

    Old traditions made them create something unique because no other population had such a past to make our society possible.

    Chance, not racial superiority gave us our founders.

  302. “I give up. Obama very very bad man!!!”

    Sure. Now it’s nothing but jokes.

    I remember when you defended Obama by saying America deserves his tyranny. We warned you the shoe will one day be on the other foot. But you wouldn’t hear any of it.

    The Dems have never been worse off in modern history. You are in a position of utter weakness from the county level to the national level. And you and your buddies were for the last 8 years the most smug, pretentious and bigoted thought police assholes ever.

  303. I am told they are now “taking seriously” the calls to issue an injunction to thoroughly investigate the GOP/Trump voter suppression & collusion w/ FBI KGB WIKI hacking to destroy our democracy.

    When did the DOJ get the power to issue injunctions?

    Is this because of the “Good and Plenty Clause” too?

  304. Please do R. I too was mystified by “MAke America Great Again.” After eight years of stagnant economy, immigration, problems, racial tensions at peak levels, corruption, despair and civil unrest at the highest levels. . . what could he have probably meant? So odd.

    Heavy.

  305. He didn’t say anything profound, but I thought it was good to hear an icon of the left telling everyone to chill the fuck out and not to cast judgment upon individuals that make up the many million that voted for Trump.

    I especially liked the line where he said Trump supporters he knows aren’t afraid of Mexicans and not afraid of Muslims, but are afraid of their insurance premiums. Again, not a novel idea, I just liked the way he worded it.


    Trump says for every new regulation his agencies create they must get rid of 2. I like it.

  306. And here I thought it was the “drain the swamp” means Paul Ryan et al.

    I guess I’m not impressed with the melange of platitudes. Glad he had some epiphany that half the country is not evil but self-interested.

  307. “When did the DOJ get the power to issue injunctions?”

    LOL.

    And not just an injunction. An “injunction to thoroughly investigate.”

  308. “How bout the part where he explicitly called out liberals who hate “monoliths” treating Trump supporters like a monolith?”

    I think I know what he’s trying to convey, and it’s obvious, but that’d be Gobbledygook.

  309. Also, ask Europeans how the “Vertical Mosaic” worked for them.

    I wish the likes of Jon Stewart would keep their promises to leave the US, but they never will, because they are liars.

  310. Drudge linked to an off the record dressing down Trump gave to individual news readers.

    I think you meant news writers. Kellyanne Conway denies it but rumor has it Trump told the major networks to go fuck themselves.

  311. Well Tigre all I can say is Trump backing off Hillary is more ”change you can believe in”.

    😂😂😂😂😂

    We will all be talking like Poolman by the time we are through. The whole goddam thing is theater.

  312. Any doubts it’ll somehow be criticism of Trump and all of his racist supporters?

    Oh by the way, really lame attempt to distract from your lame candidate. Meet the new boss … same as the old boss!

  313. He was never going to go after Hillary. Trump made smartass comments throughout his campaign that were never intended to signal a proposed policy. That’s what made the freakout over them so ridiculous.

  314. Something is changing with the youth. There was always unspoken rules about recording people with their smart phones. The kids are always recording now. Got a nose picking issue? Navigate the rest of highschool with a viral recording in high def of you picking your nose and eating it…. watched by thousands. Socially doomed. Saw a kid fall victim to this today.

    Brave new world my ass.

  315. It just occurred to me that Trump’s statement about not going after Hillary could be a rope-a-dope. If enough of the right people think he will go after her, Obama will simply pardon her on his way out.

    I don’t truly think that’s the case, but my record with Trump predictions and analyses demands I consider everything lol

  316. I’m a lot more interested in the talk about going after sanctuary cities than I am about the talk about not going after Hillary. This has been a burr up my ass for many years and I welcome any city, state, school, church, etc suffering the full force of law on this.

  317. Granny Felony needs to be fixin’ for a stay at the Greybar Hotel if the rule of law is going to mean anything going forward.

    Media spin is now we don’t look like a banana republic. Confuses me. I thought in a banana republic the wealthy and powerful get away with crime. If anything, letting HRC off makes us look like a banana republic.

  318. I’m with Huck on this. i think it would be mistake for Trump to go after her. Obama will pardon her on the way out anyway. He’d be bogged down in shit throughout his first term if he pursued it. I fucking hate. She belongs behind bars. She is transparently guilty. But I think Trump is better off disappointing his base than pursuing it.

    I like how Rutherford think I am “distracting” him or anyone else — as though I pretend I am one of the commentators on his teevee show as he does. Fuck man. Your idiot thought leaders are predictable as hell.

  319. as though I pretend I am one of the commentators on his teevee show

    Sometimes your shtick is the same. Different ideology, same shit.

    Then again I’m not sure you adhere to an ideology. You just like to argue.

  320. Donald Trump never said “All Mexicans are rapists”.

    I swear if I hear one more liberal say this as though it’s fact (and not get challenged), I’m gonna shoot the fucking TV Elvis-style. 😡

    This is why we lost the election. FUCKING LIARS!!!!

  321. I’d like to watch Hillary rot in jail too, but unless she is Sarah Palin, it won’t happen without a heavy cost. Almost half of our population either doesn’t care or wants any pretext to destroy Trump.

    Hillary is punishing herself.

    “She sold her love to a modern man
    Cause solid currency;s the hardest to love

    All the other modern hell you cover your eyes

    This phony article that put you on the floor”

  322. Media spin is now we don’t look like a banana republic. Confuses me. I thought in a banana republic the wealthy and powerful get away with crime. If anything, letting HRC off makes us look like a banana republic.even

    Hayzeus Chreestay, even Rutherford gets it.

    But I think Trump is better off disappointing his base than pursuing it.

    HE might be, but we wouldn’t be.

    When Rutherford gets it, even Helen Keller would be able to see that this is the kind of shit that leads to a low trust society. When the law is so obviously unevenly applied, then we lose the true, real equality (not the crap that Only Black Lives Matter prattles on about) that the law provides.

  323. “Then again I’m not sure you adhere to an ideology. You just like to argue.”

    No. I like to misdirect from an issue that I raised myself because. . . well. . . just because. . .’n stuff.

  324. So I’m hearing that the Donald told the failing New York Times that man made climate change might be a thing.

    You know all that Democrat campaign rhetoric that Donald is a swindler? Could it be he is about to swindle every conservative who voted for him?

  325. The media hissy fit is sooooo satisfying.

    And they think it gives them license to do what they’ve done all along and will continue to do regardless.

    Now R, the NYT was saying? Yaaaawn. . . zzzzzzz.

  326. Yes, R. And racism. Everything is racism.

    How’s the Lawson vetting of Sessions going? What’s the truth brigade dug up?

  327. I expect Trump probably did tell the NYT that. Trump is a salesman, and salesmen are all about saying “yes”.

    I care less about what he says than I care about what he does. And I don’t see a businessman enacting anti-business climate policies that will hurt us in competing with other countries.

    That also might be a sort of olive branch after he called them all a bunch of fucking worthless liars yesterday and then went around them all to give everyone his “First 100 Days” plan via social media.

  328. I agree with Huck and Muffy. Actions speak louder than words. Trump began as a New York liberal, and I assume it is what remains beneath Trump’s new-found conservatism.

    His behavior must confuse those who told us he was the devil. If so, that is good.

  329. Saying he believes in global warming is not the same as believing it’s anthropogenic or the need for carbon emissions regulation. Maybe he betrayed his (prior?) stance but I want to see context if he did in fact say something to that effect. NYT is dishonest as fuck about this kindof stuff.

  330. “That also might be a sort of olive branch after he called them all a bunch of fucking worthless liars yesterday and then went around them all to give everyone his “First 100 Days” plan via social media.”

    Telling them what the liberal twats want to hear is an olive branch? If that’s an olive branch, he’s a total fucking turd.

  331. For the first time in 6 years, I have a phone that the nerds haven’t found a way to hack.

    I can not believe how intrusive it is not having administrative control of my own phone. I’m not naïve enough to believe I was off the grid before, but I also wasn’t using an electronic foreign invader a computer.

    Things I now have to deal with that I didn’t before

    Advertisements. I previously had none. None on YouTube, the web, apps.

    Said advertisements are tracking me. With a rooted phone, I was able to spit specific false information at each individual app. MLB baseball thought I was a fan on Christmas Island, for example. (Merely using a VPN won’t work for stuff like that). Apps couldn’t track me. Couldn’t use my data. And if they could out of sheer laziness or ignorance on my end, they couldn’t invade my phone using that data.

    Phone bloat. When we buy a PC, we are able to delete the shit software we don’t need. But not on a phone (unless it’s hacked). This bloat sucks the battery. Full of shit I don’t want.

    I don’t have access to my own folders. Because Apple and Samsung thinks you plebs are so dumb you can’t be trusted with your own phone, you fools (and myself, a new fool among your ranks) have folders we are barred from. WTF?

    Performance. An unlocked phone performs the way we all spend the money for it to. These carriers destroy that. I was also able to put custom ROMs on the phone. Not anymore.

    I have this fancy new phone, Sprint LG V20. It doesn’t come close to my hacked Note 4 (RIP..thanks to dropping it in the toilet.)

    /End Nerd rant

  332. ISU extension climatologist Elwyn Taylor said climate variations result from natural forces. However, 6% of any change comes from human activity. It doesn’t sound like much but the influence compounds like interest. He favors solar influences.

    Back when I was ten, a writer for the Saturday Evening Post wrote that the Arctic ice cap would disappear and as it did, it would release more moisture onto northern land masses for more snow. A new glaciation cycle would begin.

    Siberia is getting more snow lately, perhaps due to melting Arctic ice. One scientist predicts an early cold winter somewhere in the Northern Hemisphere because a lot of snow is already on the ground in Siberia.

    I don’t care what Trump says about global climate change as long as he doesn’t impose unworkable solutions on us.

  333. Comic con had a convention in San Diego a month ago, and Comet TV has been featuring some of the fans. I cannot imagine why someone would work for months to create elaborate costumes and immerse themselves in such fictional details.

    I agree Rutherford.

  334. “I don’t care what Trump says about global climate change as long as he doesn’t impose unworkable solutions on us.”

    The two are intertwined. A challenge to endangerment finding is step one.

  335. Climate Depot wrote that the Times lied when they said Trump softened his climate change stance. He said essentially what I wrote, and what I wrote is as close to the truth as we know. The left is trying to drive a wedge between Trump and his supporters.

    The two issues are not intertwined, at least to me. I can acknowledge that humans can slightly influence our climate, but until people prove they can do something to change it with a reasonable cost, I will reject their solutions.

    Ironically, we may be set up for a cooling trend. Lets see what climate Stalinists say about that if it happens.

  336. Poolman, the new boss is different from the old boss. She was part of the old regime which killed and dislocated millions of people mainly for political reasons and later lied about it.

    If the law allowed and I could, I would strangle both leaders of the old order. I can’t, but I am satisfied that both will exact their own punishments, especially if the newly revived Republicans crush their enemies with votes, judicial and government appointments combined with executive orders.

  337. James, so far I see no indication that the regime has ceded any power. Talk is cheap and words are meaningless unless actions follow them.

  338. I hope everyone has an enjoyable holiday. There are plenty of things to be thankful for. I will be spending the day with family. Fortunately the travel distance is only 20 minutes via auto. For now, it’s time to get that turkey started.

  339. “The two issues are not intertwined, at least to me. I can acknowledge that humans can slightly influence our climate, but until people prove they can do something to change it with a reasonable cost, I will reject their solutions.”

    You misunderstood what I was saying. I meant that Trump’s comments, even if inartful, may be used as a basis to impose and continue to impose “unworkable (non) solutions).”

    Greenhouse gas/Co2 regulation is delegated to the EPA with no real legislative oversight due to the endangerment finding. From a legal standpoint, an executive preference (and the falling line of congressional members) undercuts the attack on some of the dumbest shit evah!

    So what Trump says is important.

  340. “Climate Depot wrote that the Times lied when they said Trump softened his climate change stance.”

    The NYT lied? Oh go on.

  341. I love the Trump Troll guy. I don’t know if you meant for us to take him seriously or not rabbit but I have the same inclination about Trumps antics. Even Melanie choosing online bullying for a cause made me laughcheer. Everything he says just stymies the press and the left (redundant, I know) and unravels the snobs. I wish he could reach into academia and slap them around too.

    There’s an old saying that God has a sense of humor. That would seem to make sense.

  342. Greenhouse gas/Co2 regulation is delegated to the EPA with no real legislative oversight due to the endangerment finding. From a legal standpoint, an executive preference (and the falling line of congressional members) undercuts the attack on some of the dumbest shit evah!

    So what Trump says is important.

    I want him to demand that Congress place before him a bill ending the idiotic “Chevron Deference” ruling, so he can sign it.

    That would be magnificent.

  343. “I want him to demand that Congress place before him a bill ending the idiotic “Chevron Deference” ruling, so he can sign it.

    That would be magnificent.”

    Yeah it would.

    Alas, such shit will never happen. It’s pretty much past fixable because of the entire issue has been relegated to a bureaucracy and judicially placed beyond the reach of the democratic process. In other words, I don’t think there’s any unfucking this one domestically.

  344. LOL DR dropped his rooted phone in the toilet. Shame there wasn’t a toilet proofing hack on the phone.

    Do some research Rabbit. I’m sure you can find some third party software that will at least give you access to your folders. You’re android so I can’t help you. I’ve got a nice drag and drop piece of software that works on the iPhone.

  345. Maybe I missed this in the thread:

    Is anyone concerned (Tigre and BiC in particular) about Trump’s business entanglements? I’m hearing that the only plausible way forward is to liquidate everything and place the proceeds in a true blind trust. Otherwise we are headed for a constitutional crisis.

  346. I think it’s a major issue. If it was me, I would liquidate everything. I swear to God I would.

    He will be ordering people who will be giving their life to this country. He should liquidate.

    I hope you liberals leave no stone unturned when it comes to that.

  347. “I’ve got a nice drag and drop piece of software that works on the iPhone”.

    You don’t understand. You have no administrative permission to system folders. You are blocked from your own device. Of course I can access media folders, etc.

  348. Mmmm I suppose you’re right about no access to system folders.

    You managed to root the old device. Why can’t you root the new one? No YouTube instructional videos?

  349. I hope you liberals leave no stone unturned when it comes to that.

    I think even Republicans will have their eye on this. From what I understand the Constitution forbids foreign gifts to the POTUS. If any international business can be construed as some sort of gift, he’s got problems.

  350. I’m with DR on Trump’s conflicts of interest. I don’t know if a blind trust removes the conflict though. But hold the bitch to the same standards anyone would of their opponent I say. There’s no room for divided loyalties with this job.

    And the Clintons might consider shutting down their money laundering operation too. By shear coincidence, “donations” have dropped of precipitously since the election anyway. Who’d have guessed?

  351. If we’re gonna be thankful tomorrow be thankful your family is intact. Five Tennessee families face tomorrow with no kid at the table. We still don’t know what was up with the bus driver.

    All I know is motherfucker was doomed as he exited the womb. His dumbass mother named him “Johnthony”. I shit you not.

    If you can’t handle the first major decision regarding your child (naming him or her) you should immediately lose custody.

  352. I don’t know if a blind trust removes the conflict though.

    It should if it’s truly a blind trust. This involves selling off all assets and then entrusting investment of the proceeds to someone behind a firewall (i.e. not the kids) where there is no discussion of how the money is invested. After 4 or 8 years Donald finds out if he took any losses. Otherwise he doesn’t know shit about how his money is performing.

  353. The bus crash story is heart wrenching. Poolman’s bullshit to follow. Obvious ploy to eliminate school buses.

    Man, I think these things become more unimaginably tragic after you have kids.

  354. R, you’ll be shocked to know that I know what a blind trust is. 😆 Did the MSNBC school of law offer a course on this too?

  355. R, with less snark let me say that these businesses have other investors and partners presumably. To change the complexion of those investments to create some barrier to influence has its own consequences for others. To retain them, as others would likely be interested, creates a seperate competing interest in those to whom Trump owes fiduciary duties currently. Methinks liquidation may be the only solution.

    At least methinks from my phone at the moment.

    Could you imagine the appearance if some policy had a dramatic impact on the value of the holdings? The suspicion alone would be detrimental.

  356. To change the complexion of those investments to create some barrier to influence has its own consequences for others.

    Mmm this I never considered. Liquidation doesn’t just effect the Donald.

    Could you imagine the appearance if some policy had a dramatic impact on the value of the holdings? The suspicion alone would be detrimental.

    Yup. Actually the capitalist in me feels a bit sorry for Don. I don’t think he really realized the sacrifice he’d have to make.

    I don’t agree with those who are saying he went into this eyes wide open HOPING to profit from the presidency. I don’t think the man-child plans that far ahead.

  357. “Why can’t you root the new one?”

    I can only bake a cake with a recipe. Not remotely smart enough to truly hack it. That being said, the nerds are working around the clock on my situation.

  358. That being said, the nerds are working around the clock on my situation.

    LOL I predict you’ll have it rooted in no time.

    That’s why I always laugh at “computer security”. The minute some barrier is erected, the “nerds” find a way to breach it.

  359. Is anyone concerned (Tigre and BiC in particular) about Trump’s business entanglements? I’m hearing that the only plausible way forward is to liquidate everything and place the proceeds in a true blind trust. Otherwise we are headed for a constitutional crisis.

    I’m not sure that this answer is practical or makes sense.

    First, I have no idea about the structure of his business holdings. Is it all in entities that are publicly traded? If so, he almost certainly can’t just dump it all without running afoul of federal securities regulations.

    If it is privately held, the next question is “Is it all held by him?” Its my understanding that the kids are involved in the business, and if they are, they probably have equity interests as well. If this is the case, then (a) there are securities regulations which would also pose serious problems for a sale, and (b) there maybe shareholder agreements that such a sale would clearly violate, and (c) a closely-held entity of such character poses real valuation issues, despite recent IRS successes in tax court chipping away at generally accepted minority interest discounts and lack of marketability discounts, and (d) even if none of the foregoing was an issue, the only way it could happen is through a fire sale.

    Finally, while the “guardians of the public” in the legacy media were and are still curiously disinterested in Granny Felony blatantly and obviously monetizing office, I feel quite confident that if there were even a HINT of shenanigans, these objective and dispassionate watchdogs would be all over it and even a japanese soldier on some desert island, forgotten after the war, would know the most intimate details of any alleged transgression.

    BTW, how, exactly, would it constitute a “Constitutional Crisis”, and why, suddenly, does the Constitution matter so much to you now?

  360. If we’re gonna be thankful tomorrow be thankful your family is intact. Five Tennessee families face tomorrow with no kid at the table. We still don’t know what was up with the bus driver.

    I was thinking about this last night when I was driving home from dropping my wife off at her apartment with the boys, and again this afternoon when I was talking to her on the phone. She was telling me that her mother was telling her she had to get a Christmas tree for the apartment, and my youngest son, the one with the more serious case of Aspergers said “Daddy doesn’t have a pair of those!”

    In that moment, my frustration with all of this situation crystalized, and I had to take a moment to step away from being upset that our son now thinks of such simple things in such terms now, and be grateful that it isn’t worse, that we seem to be trying to work on fixing this, and that we will all be having dinner together tomorrow, going out as a family together on Friday, and decorating the tree here on Saturday together while watching Michigan beat OSU.

    All I know is motherfucker was doomed as he exited the womb. His dumbass mother named him “Johnthony”. I shit you not.

    If you can’t handle the first major decision regarding your child (naming him or her) you should immediately lose custody.

    Part of me gets this, but as I get older, I lose patience with the subjective judginess.

  361. Part of me gets this, but as I get older, I lose patience with the subjective judginess.

    The comment was partly in jest but as I get older I lose patience with the “creative” naming. Big time.

  362. BiC re the Constitution, I’m hearing that Donald’s biz may violate gifting restrictions. I’m lost on why which is why I posed the question. Exchange of services for money isn’t gifting.

    On the other hand exchange of money for gov favors is a different kettle of fish.

  363. BiC re the Constitution, I’m hearing that Donald’s biz may violate gifting restrictions. I’m lost on why which is why I posed the question. Exchange of services for money isn’t gifting.

    On the other hand exchange of money for gov favors is a different kettle of fish.

    In-kind exchanges are also problematic. The question to be asked is “Was a policy decision made with the expectation of a quid pro quo?” It can be a thorny issue to muscle through, and is ripe for innuendo, and cries for the accused to prove a negative.

    That said, as I’ve already stated federal securities law and regs present real issues for liquidation, as would parallel state “blue sky” laws.

    But since we (as a nation, expressed through our laws) seem to be dual minded about this….

    (by which I mean how much we are concerned about insider trading, but we allow members of Congress to trade on information that comes to them through their positions in general, and various committees with nary a peep.

    What? You didn’t think they all become millionaires on their 150k a year salaries, did you?

  364. Didn’t we have to wait until AFTER Obama was inaugurated before he started backsliding on all his campaign promises? This flip flopping before the fact seems unprecedented. Maybe just my imagination. It appears an early wimp out.

  365. I’ve made a wonderful cocktail of some tart cranberry cherry juice and 100 proof cherry kirshwasser from my favorite local distillery.

    I’m going to go get mellow and watch the new X Men movie with my oldest son.

    Y’all have a good Thanksgiving, and hug your loved ones TIGHT.

    I’ll see you on the flipside.

  366. Poolman I suspect the Trump campaign was the ultimate scam. What remains to be seen is how his base will react.

    Every nasty comment about opponents now evaporating. On the Clinton’s “I don’t want to hurt them. They’re good people.”

    Really???? After what was said on the trail? Nikki Haley was “an embarrassment” to South Carolina. Mitt “choked like a dog.”

    The list goes on and on. The only thing I’m sure of is that the Trump admin will be entertaining. Otherwise all bets are off.

  367. “The question to be asked is “Was a policy decision made with the expectation of a quid pro quo?””

    If there’s no intent they must dissent. 😀

  368. “as I get older I lose patience with the “creative” naming. Big time.”

    I hate the creative spellings. Trying to pronounce some of these names can get ridiculous. And the fucking attitudes you get when you fail to say it correctly…..

  369. Happy T-day bitches!

    BiC, don’t know what’s going on, but it sounds like you got some shit triubling you. Been through some shit recently too. A good man told me “this too shall pass.” Turns out he’s right.

    Tex, thankful your procedure worked out well.

    R, to a better year. Just maybe this election might will help that things in the long run. It sure can’t get worse.

    I’ll tip one for all of you sorry mo-fos tonight.

  370. God, I don’t know why you give me so much to be thankful for but I ain’t complaining. Lord, please give strength to those who need it. I also ask for forgiveness I don’t deserve for being an asshole. May you give us Rabbits the courage to be good.

    Reverend Rabbit. Low ranking Faith Warrior.

  371. Happy Thanksgiving y’all.

    Thanks Trump! 😆

    One of the many things I’m thankful for is having found this place. No kidding.

    Have a great holiday fellas, you and your families.

  372. That Trump actually wants to do a good job is a credit to him and all the shrieks from the various ends of the spectrum need to be thoroughly ignored.
    If Trump actually wants America to be Great Again he would be well served with taking on Romney. As I said back in 2012 Mitt ran as a Jacksonian but would govern as a Hamiltonian. As SoS Romney would be a Hamiltonian and that would be the perfect way (and the apparent leaning currently) of Trumps Administration.
    To back up my point I offer the following:
    Any NAFTA negotiations with the northern neighbors are as a rule Hamiltonian in nature and ultimately will result in a minor rewrite and a new bridge.
    China IS a currency manipulator and we WILL not revisit TPP. We will however reengage with other agreements that will look and walk and sound a lot like TPP.
    Russia will be “respected” and there will be a swirling of spheric dealing. The Black Sea (read Ukraine) is lost but the Baltic is saved.
    Brexit. As long as the Brits don’t wuss out this is the most exciting area imo of a Trump presidency.

  373. So we’re finding out the media did indeed lie about Trump’s climate change comments. The day after he called them all liars….

    Today the cunt Rosie O’Donnell suggested Trump’s 10-year-old child has a mental disorder because he appeared somewhat out of it at 3 o’clock in the morning.

    And the media (and a shitload of my lefty friends) continue to get a hard-on over 200 Nazi knuckleheads saluting Trump.

    They are all going to assure his re-election.

  374. I hate the creative spellings.

    I wish it was just a matter of spelling. Johnthony is not hard to pronounce. IT’S NOT A NAME! John is a name. Anthony is a name. Johnthony is nonsense!!

    When you give your kid a BULLSHIT name you submit him or her to constant awkwardness and humiliation as teachers struggle with the name, make sure they heard it correctly, or worse laugh at it privately. Then as an adult you’re constantly spelling the name to people who say “what’s your name? How do you spell that?”

    Giving a kid a made up BULLSHIT name is one of the most selfish things a parent can do.

    P.S. My favorite client when I was a banking call center operator was Misterwillie Johnson. No – not Mr. Willie Johnson. His first name was actually Misterwillie.

  375. “I wish it was just a matter of spelling.”

    Be tasked with having to pronounce the names of 30 people sitting in front of you and you’ll think differently.

  376. “John is a name. Anthony is a name. Johnthony is nonsense!!”

    Maybe his mom wasn’t sure which one of those 2 was the father and wanted to make sure to get ’em both in there. 😀

    And I say that in the most un-racist sense, because, trust me, there are plenty of white-trash little sluts in my town that would apply to, as well. Some of them aren’t even young, but they collect baby-daddies as if they were stamps.

  377. That Trump actually wants to do a good job is a credit to him

    Alfie, really? Can you name one POTUS in our history who took on the job to do it poorly? Many did it poorly but surely didn’t enter the oval with that intention.

    That said, the skittles shitting unicorn in me thinks that if Trump opts for practicality and cost/benefit analysis over ideology he has the potential to be, maybe, even a great president.

  378. As I predicted to my wife yesterday, it didn’t take long for our local teachers to start expressing outrage over Trump’s pick for Education. “No teaching experience!!!” “Charter school proponent!!!” blah, blah, blah….

    So I did a quick bit of research and found that Arne Duncan also had no teaching experience. The experience he had in education was as a businessman…opening charter schools. As the superintendent of Chicago public schools, he expanded charter schools there. And as Education Sec. he was a proponent of charter schools and of judging teachers based on test scores.

    My quick research also found the current Sec. of Ed. has very little non-charter teaching experience. He spent a mere 3 years teaching…and that time included charter schools. After he got out of the classroom he got some business experience…by opening his own charter school. He went on the head New York public schools.

    Like her or not, Trump selected a candidate that seems to align exactly with what he campaigned on regarding education. Her positions should come as no surprise to anyone. These idiots outraged over this pick are clearly ignorant to the fact that the past 2 people had similar qualities. And we all know it’s because they weren’t given marching orders to be outraged over those people.

    Our local teachers do not want to ask me about this in a public forum because I will tell them that competition breeds improved quality and that if they are offering a high-quality service they should have nothing to fear from charters or vouchers. That won’t go over well but most of our teachers live out of town, so I’m not concerned with serving them, anyway.

  379. The spin I’m hearing revolves around her association with the Kochs, her own philanthropic work (spun as buying influence) and her attitude toward public schools. The folks with the most hair on fire say she will destroy public education as we know it.

    The only reason I was disappointed was I was rooting for Michelle Rhee. But she’s a Dem. I have a feeling Trump ain’t gonna appoint any Dems. He also passed over Tulsi Gabbard for Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador. 😟

  380. I’m not at all impressed with that Haley pick. Truth be told, I’m not all that impressed with the Romney pick, either. I think Mitt would have been better in other areas and I think there are better people for this area.

  381. “that if they are offering a high-quality service they should have nothing to fear from charters or vouchers. ”

    It really is as simple as that.

    On a topic more interesting to me today, Lions win their 7th game, all 4th quarter come backs!

  382. “So we’re finding out the media did indeed lie about Trump’s climate change comments. The day after he called them all liars….”

    Yep.

  383. Muffy, I’ll let you know when to put down the popcorn. Science and nature of course care not about false (or even actual) consensus. Over time, the real state of things will become apparent — even to the ardent morons. In the meantime, we’ll be applying the only known cure: leaches.

    I pray Trump takes it to the mat. I’m afraid reversing things on the legal from is like shoveling sand against the tide, even with a new SCOTUS.

    You know. I’m with you on the gift of this last election. I am finally feeling like the end of a terrible era is approaching. Watching the left slowly slitting its own throat without even knowing it really is satisfying as hell.

  384. “On a topic more interesting to me today, Lions win their 7th game, all 4th quarter come backs!”

    If baseball is any indicator, we may be seeing a Lions/Raiders Super Bowl this year.

  385. Today the cunt Rosie O’Donnell suggested Trump’s 10-year-old child has a mental disorder because he appeared somewhat out of it at 3 o’clock in the morning.

    A few of my friends on FB were having a coniption fit about it this morning.

    I read the tweet. As the father of two Aspberger’s boys, I didn’t see anything objectionable. A few of my friends kept at it, like a dog with a bone. I finally said:

    This is no different than a gossipy parent at the school. Only she has a larger platform.

    Really, I just don’t care. I’ve read the tweet. I don’t see malice in it. Under typical circumstances, I might question her interest, but since she sees it daily with her own kids, I’m willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Is it more grace than she deserves? Maybe, but that’s the nature of grace…its ALWAYS more than we deserve.

    It kind of reminds me of a conversation I was having recently with a professional who knows about my family. He was horrified that I’d vote for Trump (which was actually a vote AGAINST Granny Felony), and said “Butbutbutbut he mocked someone who was handicapped! How could you, with your sons, especially with your younger one, vote for someone like that???”

    I looked him in the eye, and I said “He doesn’t KNOW my son, and likely doesn’t care about him anymore than he cares for yours. But more importantly, my son doesn’t know who HE is, and my son doesn’t need HIS approval to be the person he is. My son has a much better soul than Trump or I EVER will. That’s the price we both pay for being the defenders of others. You can’t get down and dirty when necessary without getting some on your soul.”

  386. “I never thought I’d be eating post-family Thanksgiving dinner alone.”

    I’m confused. While I’ve ruled out cannibalism, what do you mean by post family?

  387. Hi gang. Having fun with grandbaby. There is a Hillary sign still prominently displayed on the street down the road. 😜 Bitter. Very bitter.

  388. Yeah cool. . . until they turn 13. Holy shit.

    lol. Exactly! I was going to say that. When those boobs pop up almost overnight and guys start following them around. Not cool.

  389. BiC I wasn’t aware that O’Donnell has kids on the Asbergers spectrum. I can’t commend you enough for your charitable FB comment. Knowing how much you despise her politics I’m shocked to see you even TRYING to give her the benefit of the doubt.

    Bravo to you, Sir.

  390. I thought about how cool it would be to have a daughter.

    You mean you fantasized. I love my daughter and would take a bullet for her but make no mistake – she’s often a miniature version of your wife on a bad day. Raising girls is no walk in the park.

  391. My daughter turns 13 in January and I’m about ready to ask Rabbit for advice on the best gun purchase to keep the boys at bay. Fortunately the kid’s not boy-crazy. But my eyebrow has been raised by her recent interest in going to football games with her girlfriends. What’s that about? Kid doesn’t even like football that much. 😡

  392. Relaaaax, maaaan. She’s just going with her boy crazy girlfriends who can apply heavy peer pressure to do what she otherwise has no interest in. Approach it like a true progressive maaaan. Tell her the government will provide free birth control.

  393. “CNN = Fake news”

    Didn’t know they were trying for “real” status.

    Loved the guy election raging in chicago that was outed as cameraman.

    Which is worse, CNN or MSNBC?

  394. “Mmmm Tigre, BiC raised an interesting point. How DID you explain your vote for the pussy grabber to your daughter?”

    Started with Clinton’s actual rapes, then the cigar in the eroticism of “Monica Humidor,” then the masturbation in the West Wing bathrooms, moved on to the Rape/Pedophile Island adventures, worked through Hillary’s organizational efforts to personally destroy the women who accused her husband to further her own political ambitions, then I brought it all around with a truism: when you’re a celebrity you can literally grab certain women by the pussy because there’s an entire class of skanks that make an occupation of wanting you to, you know, grab them by the pussy.

    I finished my explanation by comparing what Trump said to what Bill Clinton and Anthony Weiner actually “did” and left her with a word of caution: “don’t let a celebrity grab you by the pussy unless you’re married to the celebrity.” Oh, and “if you’re a celebrity, look for microphones before smack talking in private — unless you’re female, in which case you can say the crudest things imaginable with impunity.”

    I thought I covered the context of it pretty well. Also a good introduction to the sharing bathrooms with grown men in dresses discussion we must have to do the most important thing we can do as a parent, i.e. accept and legalize deviance so long as it advances the progressive agenda.

    Thoughts on having her accompany me to a gay pride parade to see grown men in assless chaps with nipple rings grinding their cocks into the backsides of other assless-chapped men in public as a form of political speech, you know, so she understands “acceptance?” Since she’s just learning about reproduction, maybe you could find the right time to explain the mechanics of abortion and why grown-assed women require the government to provide them birth control for free rather than expect that personal decisions like when, how and where to fuck to be a personal issue that doesn’t require government subsidy.

    So, how’d you explain Bernie’s undergaged sex and rape fantasy essays to your precious little one since you voted for him in the primaries?

  395. R, just circled back with my 10 year old daughter, and she asked an astute question I didn’t have answer to. Since her daddy smokes cigars and has subordinates at work, I thought maybe you could help.

    Is it necessary for a female subordinate to express her desire to be penetrated by a cigar, or is that already known so that it can remain unspoken?

    I’m a little worried that I was being presumptuous in telling her to grant permission as Bill did or Hillary, a woman of tremendous accomplishments in the advancement of women’s rights, would never have had a chance of obtaining the dem nomination run based largely on her husband’s impeccable legacy knowing that it was wrong.

    But there again, Hillary rightly corrected Monica in seeking to destroy her for perhaps not recognizing that everyone already knows a woman wants to be penetrated with a cigar by her boss.

    Since your daughter’s a little bit older, I’m sure you ran through this little point of etiquette with her. What say you?

  396. My own Puritan mother and wife were not the least bit offended by the Trump grab comment. They were offended by Hillary Clinton lying to the faces of the Benghazi parents.

    They thought the trump comment a tasteless nothing 🍔

  397. So, how’d you explain Bernie’s undergaged sex and rape fantasy essays to your precious little one since you voted for him in the primaries?

    LOL Touché. I shoulda known you’d go there.

    My priority right now is getting her to not leave an open can of grapefruit flavored soda on her laptop. I just finished replacing the last one … drenched with said soda by her dumbass cat.

  398. We had two days of Thanksgiving, and two pies with turkey etc followed us home.

    Some of these deaths come in threes according to urban legend. If so, who is next?

  399. The logic on Facebook appears to be Castro is the Cuban Hitler (in my mind debatable) and since we applaud Hitler’s death, we can dance in the streets over Castro’s.

    So Trump is Hitler to many libs. If he dies and they dance in the streets, all of you, I assume would give a thumbs up? I doubt it.

    Celebrating death is in poor taste. I don’t have the energy to fight this on Facebook where I’m already going against the tide.

    P.S. Fidel died, not Raul. Not a damn thing has changed so these folks are celebrating the death of a symbol, not real change.

  400. Symbols rule. What has actually changed is our virtue. Americans today are desperate to celebrate anything. In our live or die culture, death of a political opponent is seen as victory. We are programmed this way from birth. Good guys versus bad guys. The celebrating think a devil died and now perceive we are all somehow better off, proving they don’t understand a thing about spiritual things.

  401. Poolman Ms. Dykes makes many good points. Unfortunately she’s a Truther and the minute she goes “psyops” I start to shake my head.

    She gives too much credit to a grand plan (aka a conspiracy) and too little credit to human nature. We NATURALLY report facts filtered through our ideological lens and we NATURALLY read accounts that confirm our biases. It’s a toxic mix that further polarizes our society.

    If you have Netflix you really need to watch The Witness, a film about one of the most notorious examples of fake news.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3568002/

  402. Tigre this isn’t about any individuals right to be happy that Castro died. It’s about mass public displays of celebration of death. In a certain way, it’s sick and sorta third world.

  403. If Truther describes someone who thinks our government was complicit in 9/11, then Ms. Dykes is a Truther as evidenced by an earlier vid you posted. A descriptive noun, not a “label”. Or …

    If the shoe fits …

  404. “So Trump is Hitler to many libs. If he dies and they dance in the streets, all of you, I assume would give a thumbs up? I doubt it.”

    So deep, bro.

    Newsflash…Trump isn’t comparable to Castro or Hitler. At all. Dumb ass.

  405. “Tigre this isn’t about any individuals right to be happy that Castro died. It’s about mass public displays of celebration of death. In a certain way, it’s sick and sorta third world.”

    That’s without a doubt the most ignorant thing you’ve ever said. A new low. Behind your Palin caused the Giffords shooting stupidity. You’re ignorance is truly pathetic.

  406. I grew up knowing a number of Cubans who would probably do a little celebration/reflection upon hearing Fidel has died. I am also very close to a Chilean who is very much in tune with the damage Pinochet did.
    These people feel about Castro and Pinochet on a level I find it hard to imagine most Anglosphere types can fathom. Intellectually we can possibly muster it but deep down emotionally,nada baby we don’t have the aptitude.
    To look at folks enjoying Fidels passing and not allowing yourself a greater historical and cultural appreciation of it all kind of takes you out of the running of having an opinion on it.

  407. From my experience, celebrating Fidel’s death is a form of revenge. “Ding dong the wicked witch is dead.” His death was symbolic and probably didn’t change much, but it revives emotions as old as the Ice Age.

    “He is dead as if by my hand, but I live on.”

    Mass celebrations also followed the fall of the Berlin Wall.

  408. I am sorry to clutter this site with yet another video, but it fits the mood surrounding Castro’s death and the Republican electoral victory.

  409. Had Castro dropped dead in 63, I might have celebrated. As it is if I were a Cuban exile, I might give a fist pump. As it is, Castro had become irrelevant. Cubans still living in Cuba are the ones deserving of celebration.

  410. Trump isn’t comparable to Castro or Hitler. At all. Dumb ass.

    Tell that to the libs with their hair on fire right now dumbass. You don’t like Facebook so you don’t see the chatter there. You don’t like lib media so you don’t see the chatter there. You’ve never listened to the podcast Trumpcast so you’ve never heard Jacob Weisberg predict the end of America as we know it. You have no liberal friends.

    So, basically you don’t know WTF you’re talking about. Resume watching your football game.