TFA (Trump for America)?

Among my disappointments with the Obama years was the wasted opportunity for citizen involvement. I thought Obama for America would survive the 2008 election and morph into a citizen to POTUS communication channel. Instead, largely due to David Plouffe dropping the ball, OFA became Organizing for America, turned over to the DNC and reduced to a fund raising machine. What a waste!

On one of his weekday rants for GQ magazine, Keith Olbermann conjectured with horror that Trump, if elected, will establish a communication channel that Olbermann compared to state run TV (think Russia). Let’s step back and consider the potential positive consequences of such a move. 

Could President Trump’s presence on Facebook and Twitter and possibly a web based channel actually open up the White House to citizen government? Could bypassing a clearly biased news media and speaking directly to the people be a game changer? Could we finally see greater transparency in government and more direct citizen input? 

It is easy and intellectually lazy to cast a Trump presidency as a dystopian nightmare. Could it be that this crazy iconoclast might actually return D.C. into government for the people and by the people? 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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356 thoughts on “TFA (Trump for America)?

  1. “On one of his weekday rants for GQ magazine, Keith Olbermann conjectured with horror that Trump, if elected, will establish a communication channel that Olbermann compared to state run TV (think Russia).”

    That’s pretty funny when considering we already have that now in multiple news channels.

    I expect TrumpTV is coming, regardless of Tues. outcome. Were he to win, he’d need it, because every network, including FNC, would be adversarial. If he loses, he’ll need a revenue stream, and his brand is badly tarnished right now.

  2. Interesting but I got to go with NO.
    On one hand I think back to Presidents such as Reagan when he made a personal appeal to citizens to tell Congress to work with him. My states very own Tip O’Neil had to deal with the backlash of RR’s personal plea. I simply don’t see Trump doing that.
    The other hand has the thought of Trump in his special narcissistic way being very open to “talking” to the People. Hell knows he isn’t going to get along with anyone.
    I scorned,scorched and bitter that anything can connect We the People back to the Beltway Boyz. We really need to nuke them.
    As I have been saying in the real world regardless of the ballot question outcomes on Tuesday the proof is in the actions on Wednesday and beyond. Personally I’ll take a loss on #2 hard but deal with it. Q4 has me readying its local neutering.
    9 November will also find me engaging a number of other real world political orientated changes.
    Sadly a lot of Americans will be destined to alter the Guy Fawkes poem

    Remember, remember!
    The fifth of November,
    The Gunpowder treason and plot;
    I know of no reason
    Why the Gunpowder treason
    Should ever be forgot!
    Guy Fawkes and his companions
    Did the scheme contrive,
    To blow the King and Parliament
    All up alive.
    Threescore barrels, laid below,
    To prove old England’s overthrow.
    But, by God’s providence, him they catch,
    With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
    A stick and a stake
    For King James’s sake!
    If you won’t give me one,
    I’ll take two,
    The better for me,
    And the worse for you.
    A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
    A penn’orth of cheese to choke him,
    A pint of beer to wash it down,
    And a jolly good fire to burn him.
    Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
    Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
    Hip, hip, honor-r-r-ray!

  3. I don’t think Trump has the resoures to make a broadast network. He would also have to hire talent. At best, he might make an e network.

    Trump is a businessman with a deal making inlination. I think he would get some things done with gridlok bloking other polies.

    I also think Trump and Fox News would reah a modus vivendi.

    Hillary would have her own problems.

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  4. James what I’ve heard about Trump is a Glenn Beck like venue which ex-Breitbart and current campaign CEO Steve Bannon would facilitate. There are folks saying that two streaming Facebook episodes were dry runs for this.

    Up until the Olbermann vid, this conjecture was limited to a Trump loss. Olbermann introduced the notion of it happening in the event of a Trump win.

  5. James, sometimes a key failure is as simple as a food crumb interfering with the key working. See if you can shake the keyboard out first. If the keys snap on and off (which they do with some keyboards), remove the C key and see if there is an obstruction.

  6. Huck that’s not uniformly true. You’ve got Megyn Kelly adversarial, O’Reilly struggling to be objective and folks like Hannity and Judge Jeannine Pirro in Trump’s tank.

  7. James, my wife’s Dell notebook keyboard went dead when she brought home some work one weekend, and we went down and bought a generic full sized keyboard for like $9.00 from Best Buy. Worked great.

  8. The last runnings of cider in November remind me that the universe can’t be a coincidence. It’s like liquid apple pie. There are even hints of vanilla in the sweet nectar.

  9. From the previous thread:

    No. Insanity is expecting to find honesty in politics or a solution from government. – Poolman

    You moved the goal post. When you see Secret Service rush Trump off stage, that’s reality, not some staged event. To think otherwise is coo-coo.

  10. Could it be that this crazy iconoclast might actually return D.C. into government for the people and by the people?

    Not a chance. Is this more of that wishful thinking? Or evidence of insanity? What has he done for anyone beside himself, ever?

    All we hear about is how bad the press has treated him. In truth, it MADE him and he had WAY more coverage than ANY of the other GOP candidates, probably the reason he got the nomination. ALL publicity works for him. He has always worked it that way. ALWAYS.

    TrumpTV may be on the horizon, but like EVERYTHING he does, it eventually will go bust. Usually after he milks it for all of its worth. The blame and all losses will be on the investors.

  11. DR, while I appreciate your Thoreau like musings, since you’re the only one here who voted for Trump in the primaries, do you think he might increase gov transparency? Or in other words, weigh in on today’s subject.

  12. When you see Secret Service rush Trump off stage, that’s reality, not some staged event. To think otherwise is coo-coo.

    When I see it on teevee, I know it IS staged. Especially if repeated on the news. You still think the teevee is an authority. How quaint. Rather coo-coo. Especially given how much you have complained about the dishonesty and bias lately. Was the SS in on it? Maybe. More than likely some of them were. Just a guess. But they don’t have to be to make it a staged event. The less involved the better, actually. But who benefits? It provides trump street cred.

  13. He would increase government transparency even if he didn’t want to. The press will do it’s job when it comes to Teump.

    It will be the opposite if the corrupt party wins. The press will work to deceive Americans and cover up the constant corruption.

  14. In the event we are saying Madame President on Wednesday, is anybody really stupid enough to believe this crooked woman can possibly effectively govern this country?

    The chances are so remote Clinton could be a marginal President, much less a good one, ought to give even Clinton’s most hardcore supporters pause that bad days are ahead.

  15. All I have seen the last 4 days is people lamenting the exit of Obama. I just had to remind a good friend that he did, indeed, have plenty of scandals.

  16. Thanks for the keyboard information. If no food is under the key, we will do more when we are in Omaha the week after next.

    I think Hillary will be listed as one of our worst presidents, and she may not survive her term.

    Obama just looks better than what we face now, and people’s short memories help. c c I just got the c back. Thanks again.

  17. Anybody that misses Obama as President is too stupid to worry about. The clown has been an epic failure in every capacity. There has been no recovery, he’s doubled the debt, the foreign policy is a disgrace, and his signature legislation euphemistically called Obamacare is crashing and burning before our eyes.

    Oh, but HE got Bin Laden. 😆

  18. What have you to say now, Rutherford? The person that caused the scare at the trump rally is a hillary plant. Austyn Crites. No gun, just carrying a sign promoting hillary. He is even mentioned in wikileaks.

  19. “The clown has been an epic failure in every capacity. There has been no recovery, he’s doubled the debt, the foreign policy is a disgrace, and his signature legislation euphemistically called Obamacare is crashing and burning before our eyes.”

    But he didn’t have any family scandals, and evidently that is the bar now for a successful presidency.

    Since I like her and her husband I didn’t bother to point out that the family controversies are only limited to Clintons and Kennedys, anyway.

  20. Yes Poolman, the guy had a sign Republicans Against Trump and someone mistakenly shouted “gun”. What you’re reporting basically matches the MSM version so where’s the staging?

  21. Regardless of who wins the 2016 election, we the people are the ones who are the losers. We have allowed the government to become a corrupt machine, no different from Tammany Hall.

    It’s rather satirical to read a black man’s liberal blog attacked by angry while males. It would be humorous except that it’s become the norm for the country.

  22. It’s rather satirical to read a black man’s liberal blog attacked by angry while males. It would be humorous except that it’s become the norm for the country.

    WTH? 😆 You mean the norm like #BlackLiesMatter? Tell me liberated Emily? Do you feel empowered now that a totally corrupted woman might be called President?

    I’m just wondering what you liberated women are going to think when us angry white males begin to sit this one out? In fact, I think we angry white males ought to go on strike. At the refineries, the construction, the mechanic shops, the water plants, and the military. You going to Rambo your way to victory over the head loppers?

  23. “Regardless of who wins the 2016 election, we the people are the ones who are the losers. We have allowed the government to become a corrupt machine, no different from Tammany Hall.

    It’s rather satirical to read a black man’s liberal blog attacked by angry while males. It would be humorous except that it’s become the norm for the country.”

    The progression of this comment is what is rather satirical. You admit the government is completely corrupt and then you talk shit about people being angry about it.

  24. Speak for yourself, Emily. “We” may include you, but I am not part of it. I did my homework and participated as was my duty. So did many denisons of this blog.

    Our problem has nothing to do with us. We failed because too many ignorant people were clueless or they wanted to change the US into something different from what our ancestors envisioned.

    You mischaracterise our relationship with Rutherford. I for one like him, and if we lived near each other, I would hope we socialized. I believe many others here feel the same.

    He has evolved thanks to the garbage the other side has thrown at the world. His political vision is still clouded and has helped send us into the state we now occupy, and for that he deserves mockery.

    But he is a good man I would trust to baby sit our grand daughter.

    What is your excuse, Emily?

  25. Emily, this one is for you. Was your comment really so hateful or did you have a stupid moment?

    Phil Collins said he didn’t know where the lyrics came from. They just appeared. The song takes me back to when fifteen to twenty men tried to frighten me or failing that to kill me, because my turning them in presented an existential threat to them.

    My officers betrayed me as Hillary betrayed the men at Benghazi , and Obama betrayed us with Obamacare. They lied to me and failed to note that they wanted something bad to happen to me so they could press heavier charges against them.

    Late each night, they came at me as we conversed with lyrics almost identical to this song’s. After I woke with a knife on my throat, I got my own and slept with my hand around it under my pillow. They didn’t know this as we screamed at each other. I had programmed myself to wake up fast and angry after the knife incident.

    This song has achieved new meaning to me. It represents the two camps in our country. If the progressives win you may end up metaphorically drowning in a situation of your own creation.

  26. We’ve been conditioned to believe there is an underlying righteous force supporting our nation. We believe there are opposing poles holding that force in place. They take the form of political sides we believe are ideologies that divide us right and left, conservative and liberal. Actually it is a clever ruse to cover the power play between government and freedom. The result has been a takeover of everything that affects our lives by government. Now we just complain about who holds the whip. And we whip up the ignorant to believe this political battle is worthy of fighting. That somehow the people will win back their freedom by choosing the right side. This time.

    If you listen to trump voters, they hear what they want from him and believe somehow they will get it, even though those words are spoken by a perverted clown with a teleprompter, who, if you listen to everything he’s said in the past has no real foundation and contradicts most of what he says today.

    If you listen to hillary voters, they point out the clown’s words are sending ugly mixed messages and considers them threatening. They say his followers are deranged and threatening. They blame them for inciting violence and consider them all racist hypocrites.

    They both see past the actions and blatant faults of their chosen one.

    It’s like one big ‘I know you are, but what am I?’ challenge.

    Since politics is ‘real’, the hillary bot who caused that ruckus and got his 15 minutes of fame isn’t seen as a staged event. His interviews with the news outlets where he claims they beat him up and grabbed his balls and he genuinely feared for his life don’t play into the political conversation. The fact that so many reported it as an assassination attempt doesn’t play into the political conscience either, right? Trump’s son tweeted it as such.

    Maybe it was just convenient. 😆 The gullible have extreme faith.

  27. The fact that so many reported it as an assassination attempt doesn’t play into the political conscience either, right?

    I’ve heard no one call it an assassination attempt. I must have missed the memo.

  28. “Rabbit, I’m hearing Michigan is up for grabs. What are you hearing on the street? What odds do you give to Michigan going Trump?”

    I can’t tell as I’m influenced by an echo chamber effect. Almost everybody I run with, including all my family and friends, are voting Trump, some enthusiastically. Where I live it’s all Trump. The blue collar suburbs are Trump as well.

    Where I work it’s Hillary, but the community is by far Trump fans.

    I have no clue.

    It’s supposed to rain tomorrow but be warm.

  29. It’s rather satirical to read a black man’s liberal blog attacked by angry while males.

    When I started this blog I considered angry white men to be hilarious. Angry about what? Running the show for 200+ years?

    But my view has modified recently. Whites are about the only group you can condemn and call names with no fear of pushback. That’s got to get real old.

    Example: James Carville says Pennsylvania is Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other and Alabama in between. Is that supposed to be a compliment to blue collar PA? No. It’s an insult. It’s code for bigots/misogynists. It’s arrogant and condescending.

    So yes. I actually understand angry white guys – guys who don’t shove their traditional values down anyone’s throat, guys who just mind their business, worship their God and take care of their families. But they get a broad brush insult that they’re supposed to just accept quietly. They’re fed up and I can’t say I blame them.

  30. On behalf of angry white guys I want to applaud your very reasoned comment Rutherford. I wish more people came to grips with those sentiments since its very telling of class issues across this country that cuts across all cold lines.
    If impoverished,disenfranchised and in jail or in the grave guys of color was a nagging whisper we collectively ignored all too long the screaming crescendo that’s coming is going to be heard.
    Sadly one can hear something but not really listen.
    See y’all on the other side…. I’m going dark till 9 Nov.

  31. How do you feel about whites that adopt the outrage of some minority? When I see the usual army of white betta males and their domineering counterparts marching in Ferguson or BLM protests, etc. I have to giggle at the absurdity of it.

  32. “Leaked Documents Reveal Expansive Soros Funding to Manipulate Federal Elections”

    by Christian Adams

    Trump is right. The organization is also surpressing news of voter manipulation and is funding research groups who wrongly show there is no manipulation.

  33. James, contrary to R’s understanding, election fraud is and has been a prolific for a long time. With the advent of electronic voting, it is usually in fraudulent voter registration. It takes almost nothing to register (utility bill, bank address etc.) and work to get false identities and residency to the polls. Most poll workers are morons from the lowest rungs of bureaucratic employment. Though possible, they couldn’t cook the electronic voting programs or reporting which requires coordination at that level.

    However, in the old days (and nowadays in some areas), fraudulent paper ballots were not uncommon. All that was needed was an accurate count actual votes cast and an identical number of unpunched ballots to run and awl through, placed in a box, and swapped for the original. They were also delivered by the sheriff who, of course, could never be corrupted. 😆

    When voting shifted to electronic in a most areas in GA, the voting patterns immediately appeared to shift — not because of a change in voting patterns, but because the routine fraud with paper ballots couldn’t be carried out.

  34. I’m told by someone that knows that if you could coordinate among folks sophisticated enough and with access to the reporting component of the electronic voting prior to delivery and input, one could maybe “reverse” the votes cast. In other words, if 43% of the votes cast were for Hillary and 57% for Trump, it probably wouldn’t be hard to flip it around 57% Hillary and 43% Trump so long as the total number of votes cast didn’t change. However, I’m told that the level of coordination required to get several on the inside would be exceedingly difficult because of how polling stations are staffed.

  35. Ha. In a lot of ways that SNL skit nailed it. The sad reality of an astro turf, politically driven division:…it was the Democrats and it’s media minions that put a wall around Doug. We live in a time when saying all lives matter is offensive.

  36. Tigre, regarding ”beta males” I’m guessing some interesting sociology papers could be written about guilt-ridden whites who compensate for their self-imposed shame by ragging on other males not as “enlightened”. I think that visceral “I gotta vomit” that you get from Chris Hayes comes from this. I like Chris but I sense he may be working out demons by being totally immersed in liberal group think.

    Chris Matthews is another example of someone who seems to be constantly working out his racial and gender hangups in public.

  37. Methinks Mr. Schlicter is a wee bit unhinged.

    One of the enduring amusements I will get from this election season is watching each side call the other fascist.

    From the looks of it, fascism is coming to America regardless of who wins tomorrow.

  38. My wife and I are seriously considering moving to northern Idaho and opening a bar.

    And I do mean seriously….

    Teaching a required course that nobody wants to take and few take seriously is starting to wear on me and the wind is blowing changes to the system that are pretty obviously meant to shrink faculty sizes.

    Part of me thinks this is crazy…while another part thinks “I can do this”.

    Meh..I’m just rambling….and fuck politics

  39. Re: the Schlicter piece – I thought of you too when I read it, Rutherford.

    Re: Idaho – Montana just Took over the top spot for the next (and last) adventure.

  40. Oh yes Muffy I saw the reference to me in the article. Thanks for thinking of me. 😉

    Why would Montana be the last adventure? As long as we’re breathing there’s always room for one more adventure.

  41. Huck wants to move to Idaho, and I want to move someplace where I don’t have to smell the stench of the United States Federal Government, listen to the stupidity of progressives, or tolerate the two-tier practice of law.

    I understand fully well that article by Schlicter, understanding one thing he doesn’t. There is no stopping the rot. You’re either going to break away, or choose to live under its thumb. And that won’t change with Donald Trump as President. Make that two. As the United States goes, so goes the world against tyranny.

    The problem is not Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. The problem is their devout.

  42. Thanks for your answer Tigre. I agree our decentralized electoral system is next to impossible to steal except in local precincts.

    However, the article mainly concentrated on our biased news which enphasizes and censors reports of sellected events. Millions of dollars are spent to prevent states from determining the legitimacy of votes and to change pubic attitudes. More money is spent to enhance racial animosity to influence the outcome of elections.

    You don’t need to steal votes if you alter attitudes and values.

  43. Two job counselors told a Navy friend and me that our veteran status was unwanted and unless we hid our pasts our career paths in academia would be rough. One predicted political correctness and unofficial quotas. He suggested I might be more successful selling college textbooks if I was unwilling to hide my past and true feelings.

    At the time I didn’t understand what a a favor those leftists had given me.I don’t have to move to Idaho to own a bar or to Montana. I am already there and have been since I turned 29.

  44. Two numerologists on Coast to Coast predicted a narrow Hillary victory and much worse discord than before the election.

  45. Whether we like it or not this is not your father’s America. Our world of black and white is no longer, it’s full of color and it’s time to embrace the future because our children have already embraced that concept. Again regardless of the outcome of this election, we have all lost. We’ve lost our sense of compassion and morality turning friends and family against one another.

    Neither candidate has earned the right to be president. Hatred and anger has brought us to this point.
    Hillary represents the angry women of color and women who want any skirt (i.e. pants in this case) in charge. Angry white males brought Trump to the table.

    Rutherford you made a good point but let’s add women to that broad brush insult. There are just as many angry white women out there voting for Trump as a stand against #neverhillary.

    Tomorrow, tomorrow….the sun will come up tomorrow…..

  46. I haven’t read this deep of horse chit since Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Try to imagine the depths of lying this soulless woman must resort to say something like this:

    “There is a clear choice in this election. A choice between division or unity, an economy that works for everyone, or only for those at the top; between strong, steady leadership, or a loose cannon who could put everything at risk.”

    The only people I know who have done well in Obama’s economy, are guys like me and my wife who had money in the market before Obama ever became President and ammunition salesmen like my nephew.

    There’s been no recovery. What a crock of chit. Only the miserably stupid would believe something that transparently obvious. Second, unity? 😆 Is that some kind of sick joke coming from Hillary Clinton?

  47. Whether we like it or not this is not your father’s America. Our world of black and white is no longer, it’s full of color and it’s time to embrace the future because our children have already embraced that concept.

    Gag…Cuba and Venezuela were full of color too. So was the former Yugoslavia. I swear, Emily. People like you are poison. #BlackLiesMatter, #LaRaza, #MS-13 are your future. Enjoy it. 😈

  48. James,I was talking to you as much as Rutherford. His misplaced finger-wagging on polling is just wrong. But he don’t know no better. Everything for him is filtered through the lens of the propganda machines in which he places his faith.

  49. Our world of black and white is no longer, it’s full of color and it’s time to embrace the future because our children have already embraced that concept.

    Yes, yes. Let’s embrace that full of color. Like Germany’s really bad example. Dedicated to another naive dolt named Merkel, who a witless dolt named Clinton called a ‘role model.’ Like Assad was a reformer, I guess.

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/11/07/berlin-prepares-to-admit-defeat-on-refugees/

  50. This is a week old, but didn’t know if you mainstream media watchers saw this…

    BUSTED: MAINSTREAM MEDIA CAUGHT POSTING ELECTION RESULTS BEFORE ELECTON. HILLARY WINS 42-40.

    I think Emily/Raji is New York state which has gone blue nationally, much like Illinois and Massachusetts. I don’t think she can be blamed any more than the rest of us by choosing where we live. If we all moved enmass to a place that more resembled our ideology, eventually the electoral process would catch up to us. By then we would all materially cease to exist. Our offspring will probably suffer the consequences of our life choices.

  51. You don’t need to steal votes if you alter attitudes and values.

    Again James, this makes zero sense. The whole point of an election is for each side to convince the voter to support their view.

  52. There’s been no recovery.

    Tex this is why the opposition gets mocked. There HAS been a very slow recovery. We DID avoid another Great Depression. You can say Obama had nothing to do with it. But your claim it didn’t happen is ridiculous.

    I agree unemployment figures are bullshit. I agree DC exaggerates the recovery big time. But to be in total denial nukes your argument.

  53. Tex this is why the opposition gets mocked. There HAS been a very slow recovery. We DID avoid another Great Depression. You can say Obama had nothing to do with it. But your claim it didn’t happen is ridiculous.

    Rutherford, you know I think you’re an educated stupid. I’ve got a simple math question, math major. If you think my response deserves mocking, please explain to me why Barack Obama’s recovery has been met with the loss of 14 Senate Seats, 69 Congressional Seats, 1,100 State Senate Seats, 30 Republican governors, turning the nation redder than at anytime since a guy named Lincoln was President. In addition, why are there now more people in poverty at anytime since our history, more families at or near poverty at anytime in our history, 3/4 of the public believing America on the wrong path, our first debt downgrade, and the need to double our debt over the last 8 years. Less people are now privately insured than eight years ago. Millions are subsidized just to afford major medical.

    Point me to the recovery, please.

    Now I fully admit, armed with the economically illiterate, the urban blight, the disenfranchised, the oligarchs, Democrats will continue to win national elections for the sole reasons free stuff sells and there are more of you dysfunctional types than there are me. Your urbans centers, cesspools of decay and rot are evident by Barack’s effectiveness.

    I say it again. For the economic literate, there has been NO RECOVERY.

  54. Yesterday we locked in rates to refinance the house. We really should have done it sooner, but with that said, we were still able to cut our rates by about 40% and draw some cash to pay off credit cards and do some home repairs that will be needed to eventually sell the house.

  55. Our economy has recovered, but it isn’t overall. The construction industry has picked up only because there is money being pumped into choice pockets of society. Money lenders are aggressively reaching out to those willing to wade out and ride the next wave. It could be our final one before sunset.

    Unless regularly scheduled programming or football is cancelled after the election, we will not notice immediate change. But there WILL be serious change moving forward.

  56. That National Review article was fantastic.

    Hillary is very likely computer illiterate but I don’t doubt reasonable levels of intellect for either candidate. Putting Wharton aside, I think Trump has mostly street smarts.

  57. I say it again. For the economic literate, there has been NO RECOVERY.

    You can say it until you’re blue in the face. You know as well as I do that economics is not a science. It’s a partisan skewing of data. It is a rare area of life where two apparently opposite propositions can be true simultaneously.

    I wouldn’t bother to contest a single thing you’ve said. I’ll assume all true. And someone smarter than I would throw a counter argument against you full of their own statistics.

    “No recovery” is a stunning oversimplification of reality.

  58. And someone smarter than I would throw a counter argument against you full of their own statistics.

    Go get them. And I’ll pile on someone as equally as economically illiterate as you – simple as pumpkin pie. There has been no real recovery, but an economy full of insipid, low paying jobs, furnished by the whims of government. And then I’ll throw in your genius’ face, one in two students unable to find a job in their major, a massive loss in workforce participation rates, a wage discrepancy never larger, a disappearing middle class, ad infinitum. Tell them to come armed.

    As to Poolman’s claim there has been an uptick in construction – this is true. Based on the same idiocy that created $2T in credit default swaps with policies similar in nature to what got us in trouble in the first place in 2008, and a blatantly overblown stock market which nobody can explain by fundamentals.

    And while you’re finding your economic whiz kid, Mr. Rutherford, give me your empirical evidence Barack Obama KEPT US from a Depression of an otherwise normal business cycle, while I sling in your face a failed trillion dollar stimulus by the Rube for President’s own admission wasn’t shovel ready and cost more than the entire Eisenhower Interstate Highway System in adjusted inflated dollars.

  59. It makes perfect sense, Rutherford. People need good information to make decisions, and so far, our media is not giving us what we need.

    For example, “The Obama Economy Worse than the Great Depression on one Metric” by Tom Blumer or an article like it should be at least mentioned on the news.

    The networks usually don’t tell us that millions of people have dropped out of the labor force. They don’t tell us about the growing number of homeless people on our streets.

    The networks don’t tell us about the occasional voter fraud or the police shootings of bad black guys. They twist stories by design or sloth.

    They told us the Koch brothers were subverting the electoral system while ignoring George Soros.

    So, it makes perfect sense to think that Trump is right about our electoral system. Vote stealing is as American as apple pie, but methods are changing.

  60. Our son would love to escape from California, but he has a good job, a nice house, and his cousin and his wife’s family is nearby.

  61. “Ohhhh I meant to thank El Tigre for acknowledging voter fraud is not a thing.”

    Huh? Quite the opposite. Registration fraud is voter fraud. Since you’re slow on the uptake, I was referring to electronic polling fraud. Here’s a hint: both are “voter fraud.” There are somewhere around 150 counties in the last election that returned more votes than there are registered voters. are tuned in than the number of residents you big dummy.

    p.s. you might know it, but paper ballots with all of the dimpled-handing-dangling whatevers still exist.

  62. while I sling in your face a failed trillion dollar stimulus by the Rube for President’s own admission wasn’t shovel ready and cost more than the entire Eisenhower Interstate Highway System in adjusted inflated dollars.

    That depends on how you measure “failure”. I’m quite certain that some of that sweet, sweet, spendulous money directed to congressional districts that don’t exist went into Demcong slush funds where they were almost certainly used to good effect.

  63. give me your empirical evidence Barack Obama KEPT US from a Depression of an otherwise normal business cycle

    Well I kinda figured you’d play “the economy avoided a depression all on its own”.

    It’s not worth an argument. I’ve seen misrepresentation of results by the Fed gov, the most obvious of which is the unemployment rate. I still contest a simple “no recovery” diagnosis but I’ll concede you’re likely more right than wrong. God knows my wife and I are trying to self employ because we can’t find a job and it’s been like this for ten years.

  64. you might know it, but paper ballots with all of the dimpled-handing-dangling whatevers still exist.

    Oh no. So the glitch that invalidly got Bush elected still exists? 😳😳😳

  65. There will be no looking to finally elect a Republican that will “fix it” in 2020 or 2024. There will be nothing left to fix. The demolition of all we hold dear will be permanent.

    I don’t know how you read hyperbole like that and believe it. She then contradicts herself by saying the sooner we self destruct the sooner we can rebuild. So the damage isn’t permanent after all?

    Muffy?

  66. Considering the choices, I got an unexpected feeling of satisfaction voting today.

    No surprise at all considering your mind-boggling primary vote. Once you get on that Trump train, no sense disembarking. Ride that mofo all the way home!!!!

  67. The unemployment rate is a crock of chit and everybody not mildly retarded knows it. The first thing you’re taught in your very first basic economics 101 after supply and demand curves, it most economists consider a job market fully employment somewhere around 4-5%.

    Not even you can be so innumerate to believe our market “fully employed.” 😆 😆

    We’ve got 50 million people in employed poverty. 😈 Obama’s so called economic recovery is Obamacare on Podesta steroids.

  68. So the office that dismissed charges against the NBPP for voter intimidation is now suddenly worried about election observers….

  69. Probably the only significant hiring increase in the past eight years has been by government or companies servicing government. Most people I know who own businesses are not hiring. If they get extremely busy, they sub out the work rather than hire on new employees. Most other hiring is low wage part-time work. I know plenty who are working now at things they don’t enjoy but are waiting for a better opportunity. Those with health insurance premiums are probably better off canceling their insurance and paying into a health savings and begin using cash for services. It is a lot more economical and avoids the profit guaranteed the middleman.

  70. “I don’t know how you read hyperbole like that and believe it. She then contradicts herself by saying the sooner we self destruct the sooner we can rebuild. So the damage isn’t permanent after all?

    Muffy?”

    What Rutherford? I dont believe something that I read. I responded to reading something that I believe. Theres a difference.

    Where’s the contradiction? You can rebuild a demolished home. Now quit bothering me or I’m apt to drive out to Naperville and squash you like a bug.

  71. Those with health insurance premiums are probably better off canceling their insurance and paying into a health savings and begin using cash for services.

    That’s a no go for folks with chronic illness or any catastrophic event.

  72. Now quit bothering me or I’m apt to drive out to Naperville and squash you like a bug.

    LOL I shoulda invited you over. We could’ve had an election watch party. Besides, you shouldn’t be alone tonight. 😉

  73. “LOL I shoulda invited you over.”

    I don’t imagine a very fresh and crisp smell at the Rutherford pad. Perhaps notes of hamburger helper, soiled bathroom rugs and Fbreeze.

  74. This guy agrees with you…

    “If Hillary Clinton wins the election as still seems the likely result, the US and the world are going to be plunged into an agonising and prolonged crisis, all of the dirty laundry is going to be aired and when the veil is pulled from what the Clinton cartel have done, there are going to be numerous easily provable serious crimes exposed and even if the compromised instruments of justice walk away, the impeachment process will begin the day after inauguration.”

    https://crimesofempire.com/2016/11/09/us-election-an-american-apocalypse/

  75. I don’t imagine a very fresh and crisp smell at the Rutherford pad.

    I know you don’t believe this but 50% of me wants Trump to win.

    I’m very entertained. Unfortunately I’m watching this from an ER cos my wife fell ill.

  76. Sorry to hear about the mrs, Rutherford.

    This already looks to be close enough that regardless of the final outcome, I’ve got to concede I was wrong about how things would go. One thing I am confident about…it won’t be the last time I ever say that.

  77. LOL There IS a lot of puckering going on. Chuck Todd looks about to stroke out as FL is too close to call. FL is Todd country.

    Rabbit should be pleased. Michigan has everyone crapping their pants.

  78. Ah, good old Oklahoma. Once again, Stronger Together gets ZERO counties. As an added bonus, the shrew scored at 28% of the vote – 5% lower than Obama. 😆 😆 But it looks like we won’t be the reddest of the red. Last I looked, Rotten was running under 25% in a few of the “gun” states.

    Graychin becomes more irrelevant by the year.

  79. This stupid hospital TV is on local NBC and the idiots refuse to turn back to national coverage.

    I don’t give a damn what Willie McLocal has to say. I want Chuck Todd!!!!

  80. My left leaning, single, 30 something sister in law sent me with a rare text that simply said “I couldn’t vote cunt”.

  81. Rutherford, it was the lying. Obama lies. Remember, when it comes down to it, Hillary was nothing more than another lie from Obama.

  82. Rutherford, it was the lying.

    You get zero argument from me. This liberal blog owner could not tolerate the serial lying – lying that even the lib media could not cover up.

  83. “Take your congrats with some grace. Jeesh.”

    Oooooh no you don’t. I like you, bud, but you were a complete asshole when Obama got elected….both times.

  84. It would be pretty damn funny to see John Bolton as Sec. of State and Newt Gingrich as WH spokesperson. I would never miss a press briefing I’ll tell you who is puckering this minute.

    The MSM and the UN. 😛

  85. “I like you, bud, but you were a complete asshole when Obama got elected….both times.”

    Yup. And, unlike Rutherford, I would put money that all of us will join the 4th Estate, suddenly active again, and hold this Trump fuck’s feet to the fire.

  86. BULLSHIT I never defended her lying.

    Lololololol

    Oh look, Rutherford! The ghost of Christmas Past wants to take you for a walk.

  87. R, I don’t need your congrats. Obama created Trump. I ain’t thrilled by Trump but fuck you created a monster and though you will never admit it, this is a rejection of Obama and his bullshit divisive disastrous policies. You claiming not to embrace Hillary (which I still don’t fully believe — your last comment to me evidencing otherwise) doesn’t immunize you from the shitshow you cheered on. I only pray we have what it takes to unfuck things, and I pray you don’t get mirror image of Obama. Thankfully we may have averted disaster with the SCOTUS.

  88. Rutherford still choking on all of his nothingburgers.

    And all for the smug lectures after 2012 about how the GOP can never win unless it panders to minorities and policies of failure? LOL.

  89. Ok I’ll take my thumping. I always was a partisan asshole. Quite frankly no different from many of you. But now it’s my turn to eat crow even though 50% of me is enjoying this tremendously.

  90. Tex the rumor is Giuliani for Atty General and Gingrich for Sec of State which is hilarious.

    That will work. We’ll start on put Loretta Lynch on trial, then move on to a grand jury about Obama lying about Hillary’s server. Guess you won’t mind that, will you? 🙂

  91. “Ok I’ll take my thumping. I always was a partisan asshole. Quite frankly no different from many of you. But now it’s my turn to eat crow even though 50% of me is enjoying this tremendously.”

    No part of you is enjoying this. The move is to dismantle everything you have invested yourself in.

    And no, you are very different than all of us — except that weirdo Raji. No one here belongs to a cult.

  92. R, the bright side is the media can go back to being critical of the government. Phew. You can climb back into your regular Olbermann rage.

    Imagine if you actually do better after this election. It’s possible. It never was with your people in charge.

  93. This is a celebratory song intended to bring some cheer to Lativians after the Great Recession exacted such a terrible effect that ten percent of the people moved elsewhere.

    It to me is a rejection of the legacy Obama created. Part of Obama and the progressives’ legacy is the beginning of the Great Recession which dislocated so many lives.

    Hillary displayed little class when she wouldn’t speak directly to the people who worked so hard to make her president.

    If I could, I would take this song and shove it in her face.

    Democrats have racialised our electorate. As they have chosen to cultivate racial minorities at the expense of whites who built this country, white people became the object of mockery and condemnation. Rural whites were dismissed as inconsequential.

    I wondered how long it would take whites to wake up and vote as a block while they still could. Now, we know.

  94. Facebook is fucking hilarious today 😆 I had to look. Then I had to comment. Then I had to point fingers and laugh.

    Facebook is making me more of a Donald Trump fan by the minute. 🙂

  95. “Well, I guess we know Trump wasn’t a Hillary operative….”

    It’s plausible Trump was unknowingly an operative up until the general.

  96. On the operative question, imagine this:

    July 2016 Trump: holy crap. I didn’t really think I’d get the nomination.

    November 2016 Trump: I won? You gotta be kidding. I was just doing this for a lark.

    I partly expected him to say last night: “I did this to fuck over Obama and Hillary. I succeeded. Now I’m going back to New York and Mike Pence is your next President”.

  97. The Obama Captivity is over; the Clintons crime spree has ended.

    Fuck you Obama.

    Fuck yo Hillary.

    Fuck you Comey.

    Fuck you, R and all your pole-smoking, unicorn humping friends.

  98. I checked the H M blog for the first time this year, I think. I wrote something snarky, and they removed it. To be sure it wasn’t something with my computer, I wrote something more neutral. It stayed. They have a pity party today.

  99. Hillary literally looked like she’d spent the whole night crying her eyes out. Puffy and red. Whole face puffy. Almost like no amount of makeup could hide the devastation.

    My wife bets they had to tranquilize her.

    BTW, thanks for the good wishes. She’s still in the hospital but now we know what it is – CDIF. Nasty stuff. I got it ten years ago in a rehab hospital. How she got it is a mystery. It runs rampant in hospitals and she hasn’t been hospitalized in well over a year.

  100. Still honestly shocked but its subsiding into fits of laughter.
    Van Jones with his childish “white-lash” shit is too funny.
    The “we’re moving to Canada/Mexico” crowd shown to be whiney douchebags.
    The pundits being pawned yet again for dropping polling on a big vote and dropping it badly.
    Wolf Blitzer still blabbing about the popular vote with the pathetic denial bargaining puppy face going.
    The “abolish the Electoral College” mantra is my latest bed time song. Hell I think the EC is kind of a pain in the ass but it is what helps make states matter and we are called the Unites States for a number of reasons.

    On a side note. Safe sex with a unicorn Rutherford, what do you put on the horn?

  101. c-Diff? Damn, Rutherford. That is nasty stuff. That’s not something one usual catches without hospitalization or working the hospital. And even they take great precautions with their help.

  102. The Russians had election parties and cheered when Trump won.

    Our daughter called to tell us the other grand parents are leaving tomorrow and we need to be there so we can eat a free Veterans Day breakfast together on Friday morning.

    Our grand daughter wanted to watch a cartoon, but our daughter told her she wanted to watch an historic event, the choice of a new national leader.

    She remembered that when she was three, I made four ballots and we all voted for the president. She asked our grand daughter to vote. Our grand daughter is no fool. She voted for Santa Claus. Actually such a vote is one reason we are in trouble now.

  103. I checked the H M blog for the first time this year, I think. I wrote something snarky, and they removed it.

    HAW HAW HAW! Should I dump a load on old Margaret and Helen? They keep banning me, and I keep circumventing their banning. Haven’t been to that place in years…

  104. This one is dedicated to you, James. Chances good this one will be wiped in a NY second. My most likely final comment to Fat Grannies:

    Are you stinkin’ nags and your feckless, browbeaten males in deep mourning this evening? Like Obama once said, “Elections have consequences. I won.”

    Take a good look at America tonight, harpies, harridans, and hags and see what Dear Leader Obama has wrought.

    A USA that hasn’t been this red since a guy named Abraham Lincoln was President.

    Told you stooges so three years ago that Obama was a Sham and Hillary Rotten a criminal.

    Enjoy your well earned comeuppance. Hope & Change, Ladies. 🙂 ~ Hillary Has-Been

  105. You know Tex, that’s why I’m puzzled. You usually contract C-Dif in the hospital. Now my wife sees her fair share of doctors but she hasn’t been in the hospital in well over a year. So I don’t know how she could have gotten it. I’m almost worried they got the lab results wrong.

  106. Hospitals are the least healthy of places to be. They give you stuff they can’t always diagnose or cure. Like the plague, avoid them at any cost. The plague and heavy metal poisoning exhibit many of the same symptoms. That stuff has been aerosolized. Not sure about c-diff.

  107. Tell you what I would be doing, Mr. R. This isn’t something I usually talk about on a blog. I’d bleach those toilets and bath tub of yours until they turned blue, or you will be joining her if you’re not careful.

    c-Diff is highly contagious.

  108. Hospitals are the least healthy of places to be.

    You got that right, Poolman. My biggest concern next week during my “scope” isn’t my heart or a stent. It’s the damn staph infections everybody seems to get.

  109. Wow. Just hung out with the fellas for a stogie. Most are brothas and Fucking pissed. Real anger. All that “you’re a racist” if you didn’t vote dem shit, but amplified like never before. Wish hadn’t bothered. Friends. Total contempt. And I blame Obama and the dems for this atmosphere. I really do.

  110. Did they call it a white-lash like Van Jones did?

    I expect to see MUCH more NFL kneeling during the National Anthem this weekend. I’m glad I don’t let politics ruin my football or it might piss me off.

  111. Proterers in my face this morning. I live in a county that vited nearly 80 percent for Hillary, and I’m racist because Trump won. Oh, they don’t know how I voted, but I’m white and wear a tie. Deplorable. I needed to elect a cinal scabrous hag or I am racist.

    Fuck the left.

  112. Hospitals are the least healthy of places to be.

    I fully agree Poolman. If I didn’t love my wife I wouldn’t go near the place, especially with my chronic issues.

    The hilarious part is the BULLSHIT disposable smock they make me wear which will supposedly protect me from infection. 🙄

    P.S. My iPhone keeps capitalizing BULLSHIT and I’m tired of editing it so from now on BULLSHIT it is. 😀

  113. I’d bleach those toilets and bath tub of yours until they turned blue, or you will be joining her if you’re not careful.
    c-Diff is highly contagious.

    Yup, already in progress.

  114. The protesters are pathetic – Alfie
    And utterly oblivious to they play a part why the country is turning against the Dimocratic Party. – Tex

    This is a current concern of mine. Liberal reaction to this legit democratic process can speak volumes. The protesters are blowing it.

    I wonder how many of the marchers actually bothered to vote.

  115. Let’s start with the proposition that to be human is to be a soft racist. I cannot imagine a person of any color not drawing some generalizations about groups of people – both positive and negative generalizations. Doesn’t make you a hater unless you really are a hater.

    I don’t believe Trump to be a malicious racist. I have zero doubt he makes dumb generalizations. But a David Duke type racist? I don’t think so.

    So on that front blacks and Hispanics really need to STFU and focus on policy. Wow! Focus on policy. A lot harder than simply tossing epithets around.

    It’s a WHITELASH I tell you!!! A WHITELASH!!!!

  116. Michelle Obama to meet with Melania today. Awwwwwwkward!!!

    After all the trash talk I can only hope Melania doesn’t slap Michelle in the face.

    But then I am reminded of how much of this is theater. Obama eviscerated Trump for the past few weeks and now is encouraged by their post-election conversation.

    This is why I don’t totally ignore Poolman’s posts. A lot of what we are fed is pure BULLSHIT.

  117. I’m glad your wife liked our grand daughter’s vote,Rutherford. At her first pre- school evaluation her teacher told her parents she wished she could take her home.

  118. James I can’t tell you how satisfying I find it that you and your granddaughter’s parents gave a big fuck you to the medical establishment and believed in your granddaughter. From my experience so many disabled children suffer because their parents allow doctors to set low expectations for their children. I was lucky to have advocate parents and a positive orthopedic surgeon in my corner when I was born.

    I’ll always consider you a cyber-friend for the way you’ve focused on your granddaughter’s development.

  119. This is why I don’t totally ignore Poolman’s posts. A lot of what we are fed is pure BULLSHIT.

    😆 Well, Pools was the only one that called the Simpsons being right about a Trump Presidency. I should have been watching those things closer for the subliminal messaging.

    I have to tell you guys, true. Especially you, Mr. Rutherford. Obama has gone in eight years from being savior of Europe, to being called loathsome creature by Europe. 😛

    And last night I went to bed with the satisfaction of knowing in about seventy days or so, we the American people are going to shred everything Obama and his gang of racists did (other than the debt and foreign policy disasters) in a Manhattan second. I do love to watch the arrogant get their comeuppance.

  120. Donald Trump’s day of fall will come too. But not today. Not today. 🙂

    And to think both of the Clintons and Obamas may finally a thing of history, though I know they won’t be able to stay away, is incredibly satisfaction.

    I really can’t put into words how much I disrespect those four people. How repulsive I find those two couples. How evil they all seem to me, an anathema to everything I hold dear.

  121. Thanks, Rutherford. I like you too.

    One of the most chilling episodes we had was after I called the Mayo Clinic and several other facilities. No one could help, with hearsay of course, but the Mayo Clinic gave me a list of scores of conditions related to micro encephaly. Nothing fit except for one where in the child developed normally until 18 months and then deteriorated rapidly.

    It was a long three months for me as I secretly looked for bad signs. As we know, our grand daughter didn’t deteriorate.

    I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. Our daughter, who is a lot like me had found the same condition in her search, and like me was secretly watching for the first signs of deterioration. Neither of us knew the other’s fear over that one possible condition.

  122. We are about to leave for Omaha Usually our grand daughter is interested in what cap I wear. This time, I will surprise her with my American Legion hat.

    I like Peter Paul and Mary.

    Hillary and Obama are getting the punishment to fit the crime. Obama wanted to change the world, and now that much of what he forced upon us was by executive action it may evaporate into forgotten hope and change.

    Hillary badly wanted to be president and first, Obama snatched it from her. This year was her turn. She had waited for years and was prepared.

    Imagine how she must feel to know that the country has rejected her in favor of one of the worst candidates to force himself onto the stage.

    Justice is being done.

  123. We are becoming a world-wide town in many ways. It amazes me that Russians were attending election parties so far away from us.

    They cheered Trump’s victory, and some held impromptu parades.

    I am also happy that Canadians tweeted that they don’t want our liberal refugees.

  124. “I wonder how many of the marchers actually bothered to vote.”

    I wonder how many voted illegally

    Hey Lurker, welcome to the Unofficial Presidential Oversight Club. Some of us have been active members for quite a while, but we’re always eager to have new members join us in our efforts to hold accountable those that hold the nation’s highest office.

  125. I noticed stocks are up today. I noticed the same thing yesterday. So I looked further and saw at this moment, the market is higher than it has been in the last 5 years.

    This seems odd because we were told the world markets were going to bottom out.

    I guess investors are smart enough not to give knee-jerk reactions to politics. What investors don’t like is uncertainty and the uncertainty around the election is now over.

    I was reading a bit ago that there was a leak of the supposed list of Trump cabinet members and that the head of JP Morgan is being looked at for Treasury. I hope that is just a troll idea, because, as the source mentioned, that isn’t something that displays a #draintheswamp mentality.

  126. I really hope cabinet posts are not given as loyalty payments. I’m hoping to see him select people who will help him achieve a realistic vision for what he wants to get done (and that doesn’t automatically mean campaign rhetoric, which I don’t tend to see from anyone as realistic).

    He told us he was going to bring in the best and the brightest. I hope that was sincere because I saw that as one of his most important points. We’ve had 8 years of a guy who believed he was the smartest person in the room, regardless of who was in the room with him, and who handed out posts as trick-or-treat candy.

  127. The spin I heard is that the market is sensitive to what Trump says. His election sent the market tumbling. The minute his victory speech was coherent and rational, the markets recovered.

  128. Huck the one thing even Trump opponents cite is his loyalty.

    You can bet your sweet bippy he will give some posts to his “friends”.

    I heard conjecture that Christie will get an appointment that doesn’t need congressional confirmation. Bridge-gate still haunts him.

  129. “Huck the one thing even Trump opponents cite is his loyalty.

    You can bet your sweet bippy he will give some posts to his “friends”.”

    I get that to a point. But I want to see it being friends that can also get the job done correctly. His loyalty to America needs to be greater than his loyalty to friends.

  130. I can’t believe how bad the Democratic Party has been decimated over the last 8 years.

    The haven’t lost so much since the 1920’s. State legislatures, Congress, governors..you name it.

    They think a turn to the hard left will help turn it around.

  131. “I figured you hung with conservative blacks. I sure didn’t anticipate where that comment was going.”

    I gotta better chance of hanging for stogies with leprechauns. Must. Find. TMOT.

    Seriously, my day has been shit. I have been told shit by people that I consider friends and colleagues that may irreparably damage my relationships with them. Not because of something I said before or after the election, but because of what they know of my political views generally. Trump has been built into a mythical monster by the left, and incredibly it’s getting worse and worse now — therefore I am a monster.

    No joke. I am horrified by what I am seeing out of the left. There’s something seriously wrong with too many of you.

  132. John Bolton getting unleashed @ State
    Rudy G is Attorney General
    Newt Gingrich HHS. If Trump wants to tackle Human services,Dr. Ben if he goes “health” I’m plugging for Newt
    Sheriff David Clarke (Milwaukee Cty) DHS
    Businessman X for Treasury

  133. @ ET I feel for you. I’ve been kind of insulated since I’m huge and people around me know I didn’t vote for him BUT I have seen plenty of people having their Trump Strokes™.
    I witnessed a workplace (D) dogging a co-worker who was enthusiastically Trump all the way. I bit my tongue but really wanted to say “Hey his side won-get over it”.
    I do have family mostly by marriage who are stretching out of their fetal position and ramping up the outrage. That’s not gonna play well on Turkey Day.

  134. @ Rabbit I was looking at some numbers yesterday and was also more than a little surprised at how total the (R)s resurgence has been. I was hip to the feds and had an inkling of governorships but state house seats,not so much.
    Democrats are looking at Census and district impacts plus various courts appointments. I get how intelligent (D)s are catatonic. The “turn left” folks are f@#$ing retarded. I also am getting a kick out of how the whole getting back to a scorned core (read white & blue collar) lasted less than 24 hours and everyone is back to divvying up the minorities again. Uggggh

  135. Kellyanne is a good fit for Spox. The media don’t deserve her though. They deserve someone who regularly tells them to shut up and sit down.

  136. I still think Newt Gingrich is the most qualified Spox. 😈 Kellyanne is much too nice and charming to deal with traitors, garbage, and scum. The press in like Fat Grannies regulars. They only fully comprehend how useless and stupid they are when you point it out to them with insult.

    Gingrich can open up every day with an insult and close with an insult, before pointing fingers and asking the crowd to boo them.

  137. I’m sorry for your trouble Tigre.

    I’m in the political closet at work. It sucks but Ive accepted it.

    The personal feelings of the current president have crept into his job performance and completely overtaken his rhetoric. He hates Republicans.

    People are afraid Trump hates them.

  138. I guess I got a little too harsh to the truth of her worthlessness today with the insufferable Amy Schumer, who I instructed first in the fine art of spelling, followed by inconvenient facts, followed by pointing out for every rube who found her vapid, insipid, puerile humor of value, there were ten of us who hoped she didn’t pollute Canada but spun off into the cosmos.

    I got a veiled threat with something about permissions on Facebook. I told them, no worries. I thought the same thing of Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg as I didn’t want them to believe I discriminate.

  139. Not that I put much thought into Amy Schemer but anything I’ve seen of her stand up & solo act stuff always left me asking if females actually like her????

  140. Not that I put much thought into Amy Schemer but anything I’ve seen of her stand up & solo act stuff always left me asking if females actually like her????

    Does make you wonder why females would pay good money to hear 30 minutes of man hating, followed by 30 minutes of vaginal and feces humor. So much for that fairer sex stuff, but I haven’t ever been around “girls” like my mom, wife, sister, or daughters that thought it great humor to discuss the nuances of their periods in mixed company.

    There is a large segment of humanity out there, Alfie, that I am utterly clueless about what makes them tick.

  141. “I’m in the political closet at work. It sucks but Ive accepted it.”

    Even worse for me is the fact that I have never been a Trump supporter nor voiced any enthusiasm for the guy. It’s simply a “with us or against us” mentality turned into good versus evil. It ain’t even smart versus dumb, ignorant versus knowledgeable, selfish versus benevolent. It’s fucking good and righteous versus pure, black-hearted, evil.

    Fortunately at work I am “the boss” so it hasn’t bled over to the office. Plus we all generally like, respect and worked with each other for a long-assed time.

    But outside of the office, friends, neighbors, family. . . holy fuck. And in the streets? There’s people looking for a fight.

    Man, I hope this passes. Everything the left accused the right of planning to do when Obama won elections is now being enacted by them — only ten fold worse.

  142. I imagine the Atlanta metro is not a comfortable place. I feel for normal folks in a number of places who could get caught up in the vortex of stupidity. I have been checking in with my kids and there isn’t anything happening in their world.

    On a related political note I’ve survived the ballot initiative losses,amazing how many folks don’t care about those the day after. MA one of the states foolishly looking forward to THC ignorance as a means of crowd control. Stupid sheep.

  143. My question is will the powers that be drop the Trump University and child rape inquiries?

    The rape case was dropped over a week ago. Mrs poolman thinks it was due to more death threats I guess probably a monetary settlement. Trump still has some 75 cases pending against him. He has been party to some 4,000 lawsuits in the past 30 years. Let’s just say he hangs with plenty of lawyers.

  144. I’ve had some friends who were disappointed in the outcome. I’ve had at least to or three disappoint me with some really vile, condescending generalizations, especially about southerners, on election night.

    I’m at the point where I’m more willing to side with my Mother’s “border ruffian” credentials vs my Father’s “yankee” bona fides. The older I get, the more I seriously consider moving to the south…many of my friends are from there, and I wouldn’t feel like my vote is wasted in every election.

  145. I’ve had at least to or three disappoint me with some really vile, condescending generalizations, especially about southerners, on election night.

    I always laugh when these imbeciles believe they understand the South and how backwards we all are. That’s after we take their businesses, have law and order, and obviously do a much better job of keeping the animals in control.

    I don’t know if I told you this, but while my daughter was at Duke interviewing for residency, the only one south of the Mason-Dixon line mind you, these dumbchits were bragging about their board scores while my daughter sat silently, listening to them bad mouth those inferior southern medical schools. She said nothing.

    But she came back pissed, saying she had no desire to sit in the room with a bunch of blowhards. But here’s the best part:

    “Dad, I didn’t have the heart to tell them by Step 1 and Step 2 were 20 points higher than those twits.”

    LOL! A bumpkin from Tulsa, OK, kicking East Coast ass at their own game.

    These chitheads live in a bubble. Come on down. Guys like you would be more than welcome and fit right in.

  146. I am horrified by what I am seeing out of the left. There’s something seriously wrong with too many of you.

    Well, I know you find this shallow coming from me but I’m horrified as well. The protests amount to sore losers acting like babies. I was listening to Chris Hayes on Sirius tonight and he’s stoking the flames.

    The problem is (alluding to a comment I made earlier) a good number of folks are clinging to the “Trump is a racist” meme and have convinced themselves that a lynch mob (consisting of 50% of the goddam country) elected the racist President.

    I know better. In fact I heard a stat that the Obama voting contingent and the Trump voting contingent have a Venn diagram with quite a bit of overlap. These are folks hungry for change.

    Donald’s stupid rhetoric amplified and distorted by the media have planted the seeds of this unrest.

    Quite frankly, I suspect Trump is getting twice the number of death threats that Obama got as Pres-elect.

  147. The personal feelings of the current president have crept into his job performance and completely overtaken his rhetoric.

    I agree to a point but I think he acquitted himself today as well as he possibly could. Both POTUS and POTUS-elect were on best behavior.

    Even if you folks supported Trump, you don’t find the current state of affairs a wee bit surreal?

  148. Everything the left accused the right of planning to do when Obama won elections is now being enacted by them — only ten fold worse.

    This is the part that is completely confounding me. If you asked me “will people take to the streets over a black guy or a buffoonish reality tv star?” I’d pick the black guy any day of the week. These protests are out of proportion to what is going on.

  149. Omaha has had some mostly peaceful demonstrations.

    Our daughter saw a battle between our son and a high school classmate on Facebook. It began when the classmate posted a photo of an upside down flag.

    Consider what the protesters are doing. They are trying to cancel a lawful election. I wrote earlier that the left is evolving fascist tendencies. I believe it more strongly now.
    Yes, Rutherford, this does feel surreal. I hope the Republicans act fast before the Democrats and their allies regroup.

  150. I was worried ole Donald might stop tweeting but no … the entertainment continues.

  151. “I agree to a point but I think he acquitted himself today as well as he possibly could. Both POTUS and POTUS-elect were on best behavior.”

    No I mean in general the president’s personal feelings guide his job performance and rhetoric, not just the president’s personal feelings toward Trump.

    And no I dont think he acquitted himself today. The kind of damage he has caused, and not just to Trump, is permanent. That’s the problem with emotions being the primary compass by which we determine right and wrong. And as thin skinned as Trump is, Obama is tissue paper skinned.

    I do think today’s display was a direct result of the kindness that the Bushes showed to the Obamas when the Obamas – especially Barack – didnt really “deserve” that kindness at the time. People don’t forget when they are met with kindness after behaving shamefully. The Bushes never spoke ill of Obama prior to Obama winning the 2008 election nor since. Even today, Michele Obama especially genuinely likes GWB. Because the Bushes were decent to the Obama’s after candidate Obama excoriated Bush during Obama’s presidential campaign.

    I think it’s very rare and memorable to not be treated in the way you may well deserve to be treated. It humbles you.

    It also makes you look good.

  152. “Even if you folks supported Trump, you don’t find the current state of affairs a wee bit surreal?”

    I find them fucking disgusting. I watched video, today, of a man being brutally beaten because he was a Trump supporter. Portland PD declared their “protests” to be a riot about 90 minutes ago. And these idiots are just getting started. Can you even begin to imagine the inauguration?

  153. “But outside of the office, friends, neighbors, family. . . holy fuck. And in the streets? There’s people looking for a fight.”

    The saddest part is that we all knew all along that this was going to happen regardless of who won. We KNEW it.

  154. I’ve been thinking about this, this morning. I know it’s hard for most of you to empathize with liberals but think about this.

    There are folks who don’t just like Obama for his politics. They like (and some love) the man. Now they see him forced to pay public respect to the man who publicly insulted him, challenged his citizenship and his occupational legitimacy.

    There are people who love Hillary as a person. They truly adore her. And now they witness her defeated by a man they believe possesses the absolute worst qualities of any man.

    Folks I don’t think we can overestimate how PERSONAL this is for many Americans. They are genuinely hurting.

    Now I know some of you WANT them to hurt but I’d suggest you dig a bit deeper. This is the rare case where both the outgoing POTUS and the Dem nominee had a cult of personality. The pain out there is STRONG.

  155. “2016 election results

    Clinton: 60,122,876 votes.

    Trump: 59,821,874 votes

    Other candidates 5,892,512 votes

    Total all candidates: 125,644,750 votes

    Voter “turnout was128 million by the afternoon” of 11 8 2016

    The US Elections Project estimated that 130.8 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016

    Turnout update: 131.7 million voted in the 2016 election (56.9%).”

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/11/2016-us-election-rigged-protests-across.html

    There were a LOT of problems with this election. Many of the voting systems crashed and polls were closed with many people not having the opportunity to cast a vote. I know they are still counting votes in many places, my county is one where there are 500,000 votes left to count. It may change a few outcomes that were very close.

    I was happy Arpaio got voted out by a large margin, but it appears he may take over homeland security in a trump administration. That doesn’t make any of his many enemies comfortable as he is known to hold grudges and seek vengeance.

  156. Folks I don’t think we can overestimate how PERSONAL this is for many Americans. They are genuinely hurting.

    Rutherford? This is not a shot a you personally, though you’re the one who accuses me of being melodramatic.

    But do you have any idea how stupid and pitiful these people are? I was debating a few of these losers last night using my real name with my wife and my picture as gravatar – nothing anonymous. And frankly, these are the most hapless, dumbest people I’ve ever engaged. It’s not like debating people on this blog.

    They’re children in adult bodies, utterly hoodwinked, with no self-control, governed by tantrums and emptiness, foul-mouthed, and completely dysfunctional. To look at their FB page was both tragic and comical. These are real losers of society.

    I’m not interested in these pitiful slugs any longer. But I’ll be damned as your beloved party disintegrates how an educated man continues to party up with a bunch of anarchists, liars, and yes – racists to the core.

    Julian Assange and Matt Drudge have laid bare the Democratic Party for all the world to so. You need to reevaluate and reflect why you continue to walk lockstep with these goons in the voting booth.

  157. R, the deference piece, I think, is a bullseye. And it explains perfectly what you call the PERSONAL affront of it all — that is if you dig deep. These tantrums have always been rewarded and that’s been the status quo for a long time. I feel nothing in me that wants to try and understand what is already understood. It is truly a tantrum — the kind that was predicted of the right because the left projects it’s thoughtless manufactured sensibilities onto it then freaks out when it’s not accepted.

    I’m pretty sure we will be enduring a media-fueled bonfire for quite some time. The MSM is as totally invested in the Obama, Hillary, and the PC machine as the ones going bonkers. The media’s credibility among the cud chewing masses that look to it to formulate their social/political beliefs demands that they keep the fire stoked.

    This is as thoughtless a reaction as can be imagined. If any reflection is due, it’s not the ones (like myself) being attacked. It’s on the crybaby pussies and their thought leaders. The shock, disappointment, yada, yada, yada with the gloating left chanting “nah, nah, nah, nah, hey ,hey, hey” at Obama’s inauguration was met with the same plea for the right to understand that that too was PERSONAL.

    Stated differently, cut the shit.

    On a kinda fucked up “is this right?” note, I am very conflicted by this:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1.4-million-obama-amnesty-applicants-on-deportation-hit-list/article/2607171

  158. “This is the part that is completely confounding me. If you asked me “will people take to the streets over a black guy or a buffoonish reality tv star?” I’d pick the black guy any day of the week. These protests are out of proportion to what is going on.”

    This is how I know you don’t understand a lick about the right, only the narrative presented by the MSM imbeciles.

    Fuck, you bought into how dangerous and frightening the Tea Party was. One was a political movement and tried to take it to the ballot box. Now compare all those rapid “racists” to what we got today.

    I’m sorry, you’re call for empathy tells me you will never “get it.” The introspection all belongs on one side and, as always, you demand it from the other. It’s perverse.

  159. Tigre, Occupy Wall Street actually gave me greater respect for the Tea Party. The Tea Party transformed their protests into elected legislators. The fact that those legislators let them down for the most part isn’t their fault. OWS had no focus and no lasting effect.

    But I think you’re being too tough on me. The emergence of the Tea Party JUST as the first black president takes office was just too big a coincidence for me to swallow. It didn’t help that a small number of them were totally ignorant boobs. And it didn’t help that the boobs got more media attention than the legit folks.

  160. I suppose if I tilt my head to the left and twist my spin a little counterclockwise I can muster some empathy for the losers. The thing is though they didn’t give me any love in’12 so my sympathy tank is empty.
    Seriously Rutherford these fucking people are just too fucking dumb to really care about. They’re stupider than turkeys at a Thanksgiving farm.

  161. Cool Huck, you should see your man card returned to you via UPS within the next week.

    Facebook is for chicks, brah.

  162. Even if you folks supported Trump, you don’t find the current state of affairs a wee bit surreal?

    What I find “surreal” is the complete inability of the “experts” to grok why this happened, which is why I suspect that things will continue to get worse, not better. As long as the political class fails to understand how it and its allies in the chattering class MADE this possible, and instead double down on their disconnect, Left’s temper tantrum will continue to descend into stupidity, mayhem, and violence. As I wrote in my piece yesterday, I’m cautiously optimistic that if Trump appoints good advisers and a good cabinet, then he just might do some really good things with the opportunity he has been given.

    But I think you’re being too tough on me. The emergence of the Tea Party JUST as the first black president takes office was just too big a coincidence for me to swallow. It didn’t help that a small number of them were totally ignorant boobs. And it didn’t help that the boobs got more media attention than the legit folks.

    It really is painful for me to watch you with this stuff sometimes, R.

    I can see you struggling, and you almost get it, only to be taken down by your own inability to process what happened right before your eyes.

    The “coincidence” had nothing to do with the Hue of Lord Zero’s skin. It had everything to do with his stated desire for “fundamental change” that was at its heart antithetical to the American ideal. Even the most ignorant of those “ignorant boobs” could grasp that, especially on the heel of his accidental candor on the campaign trail revealing his contempt for who they were (gun-toting, bible-thumping bitter clingerz) and the idea that government can and should set limits on the aspirations of individuals (Sometimes, you’ve just made enough money), and these observations were confirmed by President Obama, who told them that he didn’t know what happened with his good friend Skip Gates, but he was still certain that “the police acted stupidly”…setting the stage for the rise of ONLY Black Lives Matter, and the open season on police officers around the country, his soaring rhetoric of “civility” countered by “I won”, “Elections have consequences”, and “Republicans are terrorists”, and last but not least, increasing lawlessness by government, and the weaponization of its various agencies against the American people, be it the illegal collusion between the White House and the IRS to go after groups and people opposed to his re-election, the VA foreshadowing the kind of care rationing that Zeke Emanuel and other ObamaDoesn’tCare architects want to foist on us all, as well as agencies who not only ignore clear limitations on their own power, but actually cause real harm without any consequence to anyone in government, all while being subject to the constant wagging finger in our faces, and a never ending lecture about how the failure of others can only be our fault, whether it is racism, sexism, or some degree or multiple degrees of -phobias, and if only we would join in the denunciation of whatever evil motives lurked in our hearts and we would only humble ourselves to our self-annointed “betters”, and quit every attempt to preserve the way many of us had chosen to live, and are supposed to be able to live if we so chose, then, and only then would everything be ok.

    Blaming any of this on racism, sexism, or any number of “phobias” ignores a crucial point that the “ignorant” and “un/undereducated” average American understands on a visceral level, even if they could never adequately describe it, and that is this:

    It is NOT the job of government to determine how we should live, or what can and should be in our hearts. It is the job of government to create and maintain conditions that allow us to live the way we chose and believe the way we believe, and if those traditions and beliefs are to be changed, to let the other major institutions of society be the cause of those changes, rather than marginalizing and eclipsing those institutions.

    Unfortunately, too many people in the Republican Party chose to ignore this truth that had helped restore the Congress to them, because the attraction of being able to take over and use the government to their own ends, rather than to those of themswhat brung em was simply too great, thus helping to set the stage for Trump. Now, we will know shortly if that message has finally been received, or if government will continue to empower itself at the expense, both culturally, and pecuniarily, of the governed.

  163. Facebook is for chicks, brah.

    Whatever.

    I use it to keep in touch with friends all over the country, to keep in touch with family all over the country, as a news aggregator (which it is very good for), and to have exchanges with people on the “other” side of the political spectrum. For some of them, it is all about the feelz, but some make a genuine effort to think things through and try to explain a cogent rationale for what they believe. And I find that window into their thinking useful.

  164. As I debated these strange things somewhat resembling chicks but probably a little closer to Jabba the Hutt with boobs, calling me mofo, fucking asshole and fucking bastard, and fucking fucking fucking – and y’all will be proud I just kept to the facts and reminding them their lack of intellect was still showing – they became enraged and apoplectic. Every conceivable threat was made short of sacrificing my children, which I followed with 😛 and a reminder that Dear Leader still has a 15% approval rating with the military.

    Stuff like that. And these weren’t the prototypical Lefty young physically repulsive and filthy – they were around my age, so pitiful you couldn’t help but feel touched at their severe mental illness and cellulite jowls.

    And I thought about how Dear Brother Rutherford votes like these three. LOL But not this time. That’s how bad a candidate Hillary Rotten Clinton really was. Even Rutherford couldn’t join up with this sista hood.

  165. “. . . office was just too big a coincidence for me to swallow. It didn’t help that a small number of them were totally ignorant boobs. And it didn’t help that the boobs got more media attention than the legit folks.”

    For crying out loud, this is becoming painful. You don’t even know that you just made my point.

    Stop.

    Reflect.

    Think man,

    Think!

  166. I use FB a lot to get info on band dates and such, as well as to communicate with family and friends. It’s not a selfie venue for me. But the urge to tell people I care about to stop their fucking whining is just getting too strong. And while I agree they need to be told, I don’t have to be the one to deliver the message. That’s probably being a coward, but whatever.

  167. “It is NOT the job of government to determine how we should live, or what can and should be in our hearts. It is the job of government to create and maintain conditions that allow us to live the way we chose and believe the way we believe, and if those traditions and beliefs are to be changed, to let the other major institutions of society be the cause of those changes, rather than marginalizing and eclipsing those institutions.

    Unfortunately, too many people in the Republican Party chose to ignore this truth that had helped restore the Congress to them, because the attraction of being able to take over and use the government to their own ends, rather than to those of themswhat brung em was simply too great, thus helping to set the stage for Trump. Now, we will know shortly if that message has finally been received, or if government will continue to empower itself at the expense, both culturally, and pecuniarily, of the governed.”

    Just repeating this to make sure it stands out

  168. Perhaps flogging a dead horse, but this dude gets it. Hell Michael Moore gets it. And both want something totallyy different from me.

    Now R, let me mansplain. Your comparison of the virtuous but misdirected OWS against the deplorable but focused idiot racists at the Tea Party “is” the problem.

  169. “I can see you struggling, and you almost get it, only to be taken down by your own inability to process what happened right before your eyes.”

    Lol. Saw this after I posted.

    Ummmm. . . yep.

  170. Well, Tigre.

    The video was amusing. I think he understands part of the Left’s weakness, and how it made this possible. I couldn’t help but to chortle when he started ranting about persuasion though. I mean, we are talking about the same people who couldn’t persuade, which is why they have so often resorted to the black-robed legislature, and then assumed a moral superiority from their successes there to use as a cudgel against the “ignorant boobs” who constantly engaged in badpolitithoughtspeech, making the daily five minutes of hate in academia and in the legacy media an institution.

  171. BiC, I’m not sure the problem of being “persuaded” isn’t universal. One, however, engages the other differently in seeking to persuade.

    (I predict that Rutherford would reject this premise while simultaneously recognizing the validity of the deference piece, and that’s why I hold out little hope for him).

  172. Howard Dean isnt a good sign.

    I had a feeling Christie was sullen on stage on victory night because he wasnt getting the AG spot and he knew it.

    Everyone who knew that Donna Brazille cheated – and that includes Hillary – should go down and never be allowed back up. They are just as guilty.

  173. I deactivated a small FB presence in 2012.

    I havent been in a Target since they picked a side, and I’ll be setting up a spamnet to catch Grubhub now.

  174. if only we would join in the denunciation of whatever evil motives lurked in our hearts and we would only humble ourselves to our self-annointed “betters”, and quit every attempt to preserve the way many of us had chosen to live, and are supposed to be able to live if we so chose, then, and only then would everything be ok.

    BiC if you haven’t yet, please read the WSJ article I posted earlier in the thread. It speaks to this very clearly and matches your sentiments.

  175. That’s how bad a candidate Hillary Rotten Clinton really was. Even Rutherford couldn’t join up with this sista hood.

    I may be in even worse shape today. A lefty radical whom I like is saying GOP stole election. Van Jones is screaming WHITELASH!!! I’ve already heard the word impeachment.

    I’m so profoundly embarrassed by my fellow libs. They nominate shit for POTUS and then they are surprised she can’t get past a statistical tie in popular vote and a crushing defeat in the electoral college.

  176. (I predict that Rutherford would reject this premise while simultaneously recognizing the validity of the deference piece, and that’s why I hold out little hope for him).

    I’d like to read that as an optimistic statement. Do you hold out [a] little hope for me or [very] little hope for me? 😊

  177. BiC, I’m not sure the problem of being “persuaded” isn’t universal. One, however, engages the other differently in seeking to persuade.

    I’m not saying that the right doesn’t have its own issues, but I think of real-life examples where people heard the arguments, reviewed the evidence, listened to passion, and vitriol, and made their decision, only to have the losers shop it around to courts until they found one willing to substitute its own opinion for that which was legitimately arrived at, and often by employing bad logic or simply making shit up. Two such examples that come to mind are Roe, and the Prop 8 case/Obergfel, which is almost as tortured a piece of legal reasoning as the ObamaCare cases.

  178. I hope I can live long enough to once again here a politician say something besides, “Our government needs to seek solutions to fix what is broken…”

    Why is it so hard for either party to understand this simple axiom?

    “Government is not the solution to our problem government IS the problem…” ~ Ronald Reagan

    If Trump can lower the corporate tax rates, get rid of the needless regulation, kill ISIS, appoint justices like Scalia if they are out there, and then get out of the way, I will consider him an excellent President. If he can simplify the tax codes, destroy the Dept of Education and the like, and get rid of Obamacare without killing people in the process, I would consider him an extraordinary President.

    But if he can’t get rid of a whole bunch of the bloated government, then Trump is on the wrong path.

  179. Tigre, now I’ll mansplain this to you. I posted the following statement to my FB page before I ever saw your Brit talking to “Tim”:

    “To my fellow liberals: there is a lesson to be learned which we must not soon forget.

    We laughed at and mocked Reagan and he won. We laughed at and mocked George W. Bush and he won. We called the followers of Donald Trump deplorable and … he won.

    You don’t win voters by insulting them. You try to figure out the POSITIVE reasons they like the opposition and then you win hearts and minds that your solution is better.

    We did not do that this year. May we be smarter, more empathetic and more humble in 2020.

    Now, let’s be true Americans and stand behind our new President as hard a pill as that may be to swallow.” – November 9, 2016 8:45 am.

  180. Now that I have time for some ale and pondering of what happened this week, I give you my Election 2016 theme song.

    On a side note, a young rabbit almost got trampled to death at this tour.

  181. @ Rabbit: Primus?!
    @ Rutherford: Pay wall. Too bad since I like Steele

    I cannot stand how the media is stoking the hate,talking shit and failing to learn it’s lesson. UFB

  182. R, OWS are the same pointless whiney bitches that are out protesting now. Name-calling, attention-seeking infants with all the same pathologies.

  183. Most of these people out protesting have never been on the losing side of a presidential election. Since they were children all they’ve known is the Hopenchange Age of Obama. They’ve been told how special they are, they’ve received participation trophies for trying, and telling people to eat shit from their safe spaces.

    They don’t have any idea how to act to the idea of adversity and losing. I just read an article saying that calls to suicide hotlines are skyrocketing since the election. These brats are so spoiled they don’t even want to live if they can’t have it their way.

  184. Well that pretty much sums up how fucked libs are. I just saw a petition urging the electors to ignore their state’s preference and make Hillary president when they cast their vote in December.

    Folks, PLEASE don’t associate me with these fucking fools.

  185. FUCK THE PAYWALL!!!!

    Trump, Clinton and the Culture of Deference
    Political correctness functions like a despotic regime. We resent it but we tolerate it

    By SHELBY STEELE
    Nov. 7, 2016 7:23 p.m. ET

    The current election—regardless of its outcome—reveals something tragic in the way modern conservatism sits in American life. As an ideology—and certainly as a political identity—conservatism is less popular than the very principles and values it stands for. There is a presumption in the culture that heartlessness and bigotry are somehow endemic to conservatism, that the rigors of freedom and capitalism literally require exploitation and inequality—this despite the fact that so many liberal policies since the 1960s have only worsened the inequalities they sought to overcome.
    In the broader American culture—the mainstream media, the world of the arts and entertainment, the high-tech world, and the entire enterprise of public and private education—conservatism suffers a decided ill repute. Why?

    The answer begins in a certain fact of American life. As the late writer William Styron once put it, slavery was “the great transforming circumstance of American history.” Slavery, and also the diminishment of women and all minorities, was especially tragic because America was otherwise the most enlightened nation in the world. Here, in this instance of profound hypocrisy, began the idea of America as a victimizing nation. And then came the inevitable corollary: the nation’s moral indebtedness to its former victims: blacks especially but all other put-upon peoples as well.
    This indebtedness became a cultural imperative, what Styron might call a “transforming circumstance.” Today America must honor this indebtedness or lose much of its moral authority and legitimacy as a democracy. America must show itself redeemed of its oppressive past.
    How to do this? In a word: deference. Since the 1960s, when America finally became fully accountable for its past, deference toward all groups with any claim to past or present victimization became mandatory. The Great Society and the War on Poverty were some of the first truly deferential policies. Since then deference has become an almost universal marker of simple human decency that asserts one’s innocence of the American past. Deference is, above all else, an apology.

    One thing this means is that deference toward victimization has evolved into a means to power. As deference acknowledges America’s indebtedness, it seems to redeem the nation and to validate its exceptional status in the world. This brings real power—the kind of power that puts people into office and that gives a special shine to commercial ventures it attaches to.
    Since the ’60s the Democratic Party, and liberalism generally, have thrived on the power of deference. When Hillary Clinton speaks of a “basket of deplorables,“ she follows with a basket of isms and phobias—racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and Islamaphobia. Each ism and phobia is an opportunity for her to show deference toward a victimized group and to cast herself as America’s redeemer. And, by implication, conservatism is bereft of deference. Donald Trump supporters are cast as small grudging people, as haters who blindly love America and long for its exclusionary past. Against this she is the very archetype of American redemption. The term “progressive” is code for redemption from a hate-driven America.
    So deference is a power to muscle with. And it works by stigmatization, by threatening to label people as regressive bigots. Mrs. Clinton, Democrats and liberals generally practice combat by stigma. And they have been fairly successful in this so that many conservatives are at least a little embarrassed to “come out” as it were. Conservatism is an insurgent point of view, while liberalism is mainstream. And this is oppressive for conservatives because it puts them in the position of being a bit embarrassed by who they really are and what they really believe.

    Deference has been codified in American life as political correctness. And political correctness functions like a despotic regime. It is an oppressiveness that spreads its edicts further and further into the crevices of everyday life. We resent it, yet for the most part we at least tolerate its demands. But it means that we live in a society that is ever willing to cast judgment on us, to shame us in the name of a politics we don’t really believe in. It means our decency requires a degree of self-betrayal.

    And into all this steps Mr. Trump, a fundamentally limited man but a man with overwhelming charisma, a man impossible to ignore. The moment he entered the presidential contest America’s long simmering culture war rose to full boil. Mr. Trump was a non-deferential candidate. He seemed at odds with every code of decency. He invoked every possible stigma, and screechingly argued against them all. He did much of the dirty work that millions of Americans wanted to do but lacked the platform to do.
    Thus Mr. Trump’s extraordinary charisma has been far more about what he represents than what he might actually do as the president. He stands to alter the culture of deference itself. After all, the problem with deference is that it is never more than superficial. We are polite. We don’t offend. But we don’t ever transform people either. Out of deference we refuse to ask those we seek to help to be primarily responsible for their own advancement. Yet only this level of responsibility transforms people, no matter past or even present injustice. Some 3,000 shootings in Chicago this year alone is the result of deference camouflaging a lapse of personal responsibility with empty claims of systemic racism.

    As a society we are so captive to our historical shame that we thoughtlessly rush to deference simply to relieve the pressure. And yet every deferential gesture—the war on poverty, affirmative action, ObamaCare, every kind of “diversity” scheme—only weakens those who still suffer the legacy of our shameful history. Deference is now the great enemy of those toward whom it gushes compassion.
    Societies, like individuals, have intuitions. Donald Trump is an intuition. At least on the level of symbol, maybe he would push back against the hegemony of deference—if not as a liberator then possibly as a reformer. Possibly he could lift the word responsibility out of its somnambulant stigmatization as a judgmental and bigoted request to make of people. This, added to a fundamental respect for the capacity of people to lift themselves up, could go a long way toward a fairer and better America.

  186. They don’t have any idea how to act to the idea of adversity and losing. I just read an article saying that calls to suicide hotlines are skyrocketing since the election. These brats are so spoiled they don’t even want to live if they can’t have it their way.

    Yeah, I think you’re spot on, Huck. Thought the same thing last night when I saw these hapless losers and thought to myself, “They don’t know how to react. They’ve never had anybody shut them down or shut them off. They’ve never been told NO.” These are children in adult bodies without purpose or reason.

    Mark my words. Sadly will take another repeat of Kent State and a few of these rabid zealots being shot in the head, replete with pictures from the corrupt media to stoke the flames, to so scare the hell of these losers before they recognize not only do elections have consequences, but so do their actions.

    Otherwise, these actions will continue.

  187. These hapless losers are being cheered on by senior members of the press. Both need to be mocked mercilessly, then totally ignored. Same with Hollywood, BLM and the Trigglypuffs.

    One great thing about this election is that it provides some evidence that regular working class folks expected to suffer and atone maybe aren’t forever powerless and outnumbered by these fucksticks.

  188. My wife admitted to me that she voted for Trump. That was even after knowing that I was not going to and didn’t (we both vote by mail). This was the 1st time she has ever voted in a presidential election.

    I’m proud of her. Not for voting for Trump–but for voting.

  189. Donald Trump supporters are cast as small grudging people, as haters who blindly love America and long for its exclusionary past. Against this she is the very archetype of American redemption. The term “progressive” is code for redemption from a hate-driven America.
    So deference is a power to muscle with. And it works by stigmatization, by threatening to label people as regressive bigots. Mrs. Clinton, Democrats and liberals generally practice combat by stigma.

    My latest piece addresses some people who have really outdone themselves in internalizing this strategery.

  190. I’ve been following the Euroweenies fits over Trump. The pompous dicks just don’t get it. They’re afraid.
    Trump better get a food taster because people everywhere are truly afraid of him and in turn afraid of US.
    I’m honestly amused and curious about what might roll out.

  191. Veterans Day was nice. I wore my American Legion hat for the first time and many people walked up to me to thank me for my service. We ate in a restaurant so crowed with veterans getting a free meal, we sat with a stranger couple. We had such a good time we visited for over two hours.

  192. Most of the rioters and protesters are dupes of hard line practioners of anarchy and anti- Americanism with ties to men like George Soros.

    As Sofia Jannok called their type, they are foreign occupiers with a dangerous ideology. Their predecessors indirectly murdered millions of people when they made it possible to betray South Vietnam and let it fall to the North. Some of those protesters grew up and infested our educational system.

    I think some of them should be deported before illegal aliens. They are more dangerous than people who sneaked in here to improve their lives.

    They amuse me too, alfie, especially the celebrities who welched on their promises to move away.

  193. The assholes who want to get rid of Trump had better realize–when it comes to getting rid of their “progressive” agenda, Pence will be a lot worse on it than Trump.

  194. We all remember the riots and blocked streets after the Tea Party rose to stop ObamaCare. And we remember the burned buildings, broken windows and injured people during the riots after Obama was elected.

    No, wait…

  195. Most of these people out protesting have never been on the losing side of a presidential election.

    Very true. The last truly controversial election was in 2000. That means even a grown ass 26 year old was only 10 then.

  196. Trump better get a food taster

    This is no joke. I think the man’s safety is gravely at risk. The media turned him into a monster and some nutjob is going to take it seriously.

  197. “WTF is a trigglypuff?”

    While technically “who” would have been a better word, “what” certainly suffices. In either case, this is “trigglypuff”

  198. I have a DISQUS account and OMG I can’t believe how stupid my fellow Americans are. I see so much bitching about the whole EC vs popular vote shit and I just left an Atlantic thread where some dumb fuck was complaining about how small states get unfair power because there is only 2 Senators/ state.
    Do you really have to be a poli-sci civics wonk to appreciate how good we have it???

  199. Yes, Rutherford, I see a world of difference. Airline passengers did give me a standing ovation before I left the plane to get home, but that almost unique experience was resulted from an accidental meeting with a flight attendant who spent most of her time with me and my loud voice.

    I quit grad school to farm because people let me know they didn’t want to hire my kind.

    The past few years have been different. People seem to appreciate veterans.This time, with my American Legion hat, people treated me like a minor celebraty. Smiles and “thank you for your service.” were common. Businesses have also offered more free stuff in the last few years.

    This year might have been a reaction to the anti Trump riots and demonstrations.

  200. “I’ve been thinking about this, this morning. I know it’s hard for most of you to empathize with liberals but think about this.

    There are folks who don’t just like Obama for his politics. They like (and some love) the man. Now they see him forced to pay public respect to the man who publicly insulted him, challenged his citizenship and his occupational legitimacy.

    There are people who love Hillary as a person. They truly adore her. And now they witness her defeated by a man they believe possesses the absolute worst qualities of any man.

    Folks I don’t think we can overestimate how PERSONAL this is for many Americans. They are genuinely hurting.

    Now I know some of you WANT them to hurt but I’d suggest you dig a bit deeper. This is the rare case where both the outgoing POTUS and the Dem nominee had a cult of personality. The pain out there is STRONG.”
    Rutherford , November 11, 2016 at 9:49 am

    I’ve been thinking about this too and I just wonder what is it you want from us?

    The left is angry. They don’t know how to process emotions so the weakest are playing the victim and throwing a tantrum. The rich and insulated are merely sulking and plotting their triumphant return to power. These are weak-minded emotional hemophiliacs, even the intelligent ones.

    So what do you want from us? Seriously.

    I’ll tell you what I want from you (all). I want the leader of your party to correct the rioters in no uncertain terms. WE don’t need to be lectured on the first amendment. THEY need to knock this shit off now.

  201. I want to know what is Trump’s motivation to be president to a bunch of people who are running around screaming #notmypresident. The only way they will be happy is if he becomes Hillary or Bernie. And neither is going to happen. They won’t accept compromise, even if he was to offer it. I’ve given up pointing out that he spoke out against the NC bathroom bill and said he wasn’t going to have people dying in the streets. In the GOP debates he was called a liberal.

    They want it all and will take nothing less.

  202. huck – I imagine the size of the fire you plan to hold trump’s feet to will be smaller than mine. My fire would start with such a yuuuuge boom it would knock us off our axis. I think it best if I decline your invitation. I wish you well.

  203. Disappointing to say the least. I’m guilty of projecting the left cult inanity upon JAL but walks like a duck….
    Huck I think you’ve made a good point about Trump and Pence etc

  204. “huck – I imagine the size of the fire you plan to hold trump’s feet to will be smaller than mine.”

    I imagine the size of the fire I hold Trump’s feet to will be quite a bit larger than the fire you held to Obama’s.

    I don’t plan on giving Trump any breaks other than giving him a chance to act before I criticise his actions. Too many times we’ve seen where campaign rhetoric does not translate into policy.

  205. I’ve been thinking about this too and I just wonder what is it you want from us?

    I asked my wife just tonight what do the protesters want? I cannot answer you Muffy other than to say recognize that many view this as a death in the family – or more like a massacre.

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