Obama Disgraces the Dignity of the Presidency 

This will be a short post because the premise is very simple.

I’ve been very uncomfortable with Barack Obama actively campaigning for Hillary Clinton. I believe that a President, once elected should take himself out of “politics” and focus on policy. However I understand the President is considered the leader of his party so my expectation is unrealistic. I’ve given Obama a pass.

Something happened this week that was a bridge too far for me. During a joint press conference with visiting Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, Obama chose to criticize and mock GOP candidate Donald Trump. While Trump richly deserves to be mocked, this was neither the time nor place. This was not a campaign stump.

The President condemned, possibly, the next President of the United States in front of a world leader who would be working with him. That is inexcusable.

On the other hand Obama was angered by a question about illegal immigration yelled out by another journalist. Obama criticized that reporter’s decorum while showing no decorum himself.

To my mind, the dignity of the presidency demands that the president keep arms length from the selection of his successor. Obama has not properly handled his understandable disdain for Donald Trump. The presidency suffers for it, as does our image on the world stage.

What do you think? The bar is open.

748 thoughts on “Obama Disgraces the Dignity of the Presidency 

  1. Fucking hypocrites, one and all

    “While it was not clear Bush was referring to Obama–the White House, in fact, denied that he was–the junior Senator from Illinois took great offense. He denounced what he called an “extraordinary politicization of foreign policy.” Others went even further. Then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) said: “This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset … and make this kind of ridiculous statement.” Obama’s future chief of staff, Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL), added: “The tradition has always been that when a U.S. President is overseas, partisan politics stops at the water’s edge. President Bush has now taken that principle and turned it on its head: for this White House, partisan politics now begins at the water’s edge, no matter the seriousness and gravity of the occasion. Does the president have no shame?””

  2. I did a double take when I realized Renzi was there. I don’t know what question Obama was answering but the proper answer should have been “let’s respect PM Renzi’s time here and not bore him with our election talk.”

  3. Hugh Hewitt thought Trump won “14 out of 15 rounds” but then “he hit himself in the head and knocked himself out”. He’s referring to the rigged election bullshit that Trump spewed. Hugh nailed it. Trump could have at least declared a tie if he hadn’t been such a dumbass.

  4. WHy should Trump accept the vote in advance? Shit, given all of the corruption and illegality from his opponent, NO ONE should accept the vote if its fraudulently obtained.

  5. I personally didn’t find Trump’s comment on the election results that big a deal. Does Hugh Hewitt and the rest of the media not understand that half this country is now totally convinced the election is a fraud? That the media has been busted as little but Democrats with bylines for all to see? That as Muffy correctly noted, the entire Democrat Party is corrupt, top to bottom?

    Once again tonight, like the Planned Parenthood videos, thousands of Clinton shills are out in force, probably paid, claiming the videos demonstrating the goon squads, the voter fraud were “edited.” Pay no attention to what is being said and that both of the creeps have lost their jobs – reassigned by another name, because none of these stooges are loses their job in the Democrat Party.

    There is no truth in the Democrat Party. I’m not sure what direction to turn, but the days of me being “Stronger Together” are completely over with. The Democrat Party is evil, corrupt and otherwise inept.

    I have a great deal of contempt in my heart for people who continue to allow this to go on. And the country is quickly being bled to death on account of it. These people are jeopardizing my children’s future and well being.

    And I really do consider them my enemy.

  6. America today is in constant campaign and mudsling mode. Really, it’s all we have left. We do not know how to act civilly on the world stage. We are that playground bully. We force rules on others that we don’t pretend to follow. We have long been a disgrace, totally dishonoring the rule of law and ignorant of real diplomacy.

    Yes, the left has been quite destructive and divisive. But the right isn’t one iota better. They both use each other as diversions and reason for our national failures. It keeps them from having to face the real issues and actually act responsibly. Both sides covet a victim status. Both are equally to blame for our economic and social condition.

    This administration has been very successful at further dividing this nation. Obama has proved himself immature and vindictive. I am certain the ‘deep state’ (the one Rutherford thinks is an alex jones’ fantasy) is pleased with their result. I don’t understand how anyone could believe they do not exist, given all the evidence and mentions over decades. I understand the teevee hasn’t admitted it, and for many, that is where they seek truth. Like panning for gold in a leach field.

    We are now escalating our idiocy in the middle east in the hope of sparking war with Russia. Plenty I have talked to are just wondering how long until we get nuked. I’m hopeful the first wave hits that campaign trail.

  7. I also think Trump won or at least tied Hillary on points.

    Trump was also right that this election will be rigged. Much of the media is working in concert with Hillary’s campaign to alter voters’ attitudes.

    We have read too many cases of stolen votes. So far, a stolen election is only possible if the candidates are virtually tied. We need a land slide for one or the other to restore some semblance of faith in our elite institutions.

    So far, both candidates have followers who are unlikely to change whom they will vote for. Trump, especially needs to change independents’ minds.

    Donald should have kept his mouth shut until after the fact. We all know that. I quoted an article which claimed his friends said Trump is little changed from how he was in grade school. Five year-old Donald has never learned.

  8. Obama has been disgracing the Office since before he was sworn in. It started with his “Office of the President Elect” bullshit, and it never got better.

    Whether it was choosing Turbo Tax Timmah Geithner and Hilda Solis for cabinet positions despite their unfitness for consideration, let alone appointment, “I won”, his temper tantrum at SOTU on Citizens United or his “recess” appointments to the NLRB, or “I don’t know what happened, but the police acted stupidly”, and his imaginary son, Treyvon, or calling ELECTED officials in the opposing party “terrorists” because they dared oppose him, the extreme narcissist has been a malignant tumor on the office since 2008, and nothing has changed…except you’re FINALLY starting to see some of what the rest of us have seen all along.

  9. James, I couldn’t disagree more.

    Trump was 100 % correct in not letting those corrupt bullies make him capitulate. Why in holy hell would he allow the Dems to win by voter fraud? Right when we’re getting a daily stream of evidence of said voter fraud?? Fuck that!

    And you know what, he is sadly the only Republican candidate that would have stood up to that bull shit. There we have Trump’s appeal. Take note Republicans.

    Of course Rutherford has learned from the pundits he should be outraged over this.

  10. Clinton didn’t answer the pay to play question put to her, Wallace irresponsibly let her get away with not answering, and the jackals pretend they would be talking about something more important if Trump hadn’t said that horryfying thing.

    Because Russia.

  11. Wah. They don’t like the way Trump answered. That’s not who we aaaaarrrrre.

    Then ask why voters should not present an ID. Ask Hillary why she kept a private email server. Ask Obama why he lied about knowing about it. Ask Loretta Lynch what she and Bill talked about for half and hour in the back of that plane. Ask Comey who he gave his balls to. Ask Donna Brazille about giving Hillary the answers to town hall questions. Ask Hillary why she blamed Benghazi on a video. Ask her why she lied to the families of those slain that night. Ask Obama why so many of us lost our doctors and lost our insurance and didn’t save $2800 this year on our health care but rather now pay triple what we did when he took office. Ask Nancy Pelosi if she ever figured out what’s in the bill.

  12. Donald should have kept his mouth shut until after the fact. We all know that. I quoted an article which claimed his friends said Trump is little changed from how he was in grade school. Five year-old Donald has never learned.

    BINGO!!!!

  13. Of course Rutherford has learned from the pundits he should be outraged over this.

    Keep snarking Trumpster Fire. You have zero credibility. You voted for a horse’s ass.

    You and some others here miss the point. Trump did not stop at media influence. He is suggesting mass fraud at polling places for which there is zero evidence. He is encouraging self-deputized poll watchers – which could get quite messy.

    Giving the media the benefit of the doubt, one reason their hair may be on fire is the fear that amped up Trump supporters will go violent if he loses.

    I think the media focus on Trump’s rigged election foolishness is overblown. (All coverage of Trump is overblown.) With that said, Trump KNEW the media would go batshit crazy over the comment so why did he do it? It’s as though he doesn’t want anyone to focus on Hillary.

  14. Trump COULD have said “If the election is very close, obviously there will be recounts in certain areas, just as there were in 2000. If Hillary is the clear winner, of course I will respect the results of the election.”

    That’s what a fucking adult would have said. Trump, as James correctly pointed out, is a goddam five year old.

  15. Clinton didn’t answer the pay to play question put to her, Wallace irresponsibly let her get away with not answering

    As I recall, Wallace did challenge her once when she evaded but he did not persist. He didn’t totally blow it.

  16. Obama supports HRC, and Trump is eminently mockable. Why expect anything else?

    Mikey, welcome back. I had to go back in my blog history to find you. It’s been 4 years! Wow!

    I agree with you IF Obama was on the stump. Where I have a problem is Obama dissing who could be the next President of the United States in front of a foreign leader. It seems to me highly inappropriate. Obama is basically saying “I won’t even pretend to respect him until after he is elected.”

  17. Trump COULD have said “If the election is very close, obviously there will be recounts in certain areas, just as there were in 2000. If Hillary is the clear winner, of course I will respect the results of the election.”

    If you think that would’ve been left alone as a sufficient answer, methinks you would be Trump’s kindergarten classmate.

    Trumps’ answer was fine: “we’ll see.” The media does need a commitment now unless it’s stirring the pot — which it is. As usual, Rutherford is caught up in the liberal media bullshit.

  18. “He is encouraging self-deputized poll watchers – which could get quite messy.”

    You mean like seeing scary, club-wielding deplorables in military garb outside polling places? Or is that job exclusive to the New Black Panther Party?

  19. “That’s what a fucking adult would have said. Trump, as James correctly pointed out, is a goddam five year old.”

    Trump was asked this question in the last debate. He was clear.

    Since then, more and more reports keep coming out of Dem fraud. At the very worst, he was slightly inarticulate. Hillary doesn’t even have to answer questions.

    Eat a dick. I’m glad fear of violence is starting to be a thing. Your “team” should fear violence if rule of law no longer exists. That’s what our founding fathers expected.

  20. “You mean like seeing scary, club-wielding deplorables in military garb outside polling places? Or is that job exclusive to the New Black Panther Party?”

    Lol!

  21. “Giving the media the benefit of the doubt, one reason their hair may be on fire is the fear that amped up Trump supporters will go violent if he loses.”

    Why give the media the benefit of the doubt on this when I think we have seen evidence that there could be just as much violence from the left if he wins? I don’t recall seeing any Democrats being chased like animals by Trump supporters.

    Time and again we have seen this cycle that people are getting outraged over things simply because they are being told by their tribal leaders to get outraged over things.

  22. “Trump COULD have said “If the election is very close, obviously there will be recounts in certain areas, just as there were in 2000. If Hillary is the clear winner, of course I will respect the results of the election.””

    Trump COULD have said “I’m not going to waste time tonight speculating on hypotheticals.” That answer always seemed to work for Obama.

  23. Or is that job exclusive to the New Black Panther Party?

    I saw that coming. The joy of having a long history of statements on this blog and readers with long memories. 😊

  24. Tigre your picture speaks volumes. They are 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. No matter how we vote, the result will be more gridlock and a polarized populace.

  25. “Actually he also said “I’ll keep you in suspense”. He’s an imbecile.”

    So what? That was true. The vote hasn’t occurred and he said “we’ll see.”

    Please explain why an answer is demanded? Really. I’d like to know. So if there’s fishiness or bullshit he can’t complain. Do you really know why it was important for him to commit to this in advance of the election — particularly with all of the DEm fraud that’s occurring? Enquiring minds want to know the real answer — not the one you parroted to exempt the Gore from obvious hypocrisy and stupidity of it all.

    Gawd you can be such a rube. You should care a giant fuckload if there was voter/election fraud and demand that no candidate from any party commit to conceding in advance if there is evidence of fraud, which is exactly what is demanded here. The foundation of our democracy requires that voter/election fraud never be tolerated by anyone, ever, under any circumstance, from any party. If Russia influenced the outcome in favor of Trump, even the right should go bonkers — most certainly demand that Hillary suck it up because she committed to conceding. Fuck.

  26. “Trump COULD have said “I’m not going to waste time tonight speculating on hypotheticals.”

    Actually I agree with that.”

    That is the same response. And again, that would not have been any more acceptable because it it doesn;t fulfill the objective in asking the question to begin with.

  27. Gawd you can be such a rube. You should care a giant fuckload if there was voter/election fraud and demand that no candidate from any party commit to conceding in advance if there is evidence of fraud, which is exactly what is demanded here.

    LOL and you call me a rube. No, that is not what was put on the table. The question implicitly asked if Trump would respect a clear outcome. He said maybe not. HE was answering YOUR question, not that of Chris Wallace.

  28. If Russia influenced the outcome in favor of Trump, even the right should go bonkers — most certainly demand that Hillary suck it up because she committed to conceding. Fuck.

    Here’s the thing about “Russia influencing the election”.

    I was listening to a Clinton flack yesterday expressing outrage that Podesta emails had been hacked. No denials of the content. No fevered protestations that they had been altered. Merely outraged that they had been hacked.

    Let Detective Edmund Exley said “You’ve got a big GUILTY sign around your neck.”

    If Russia was “influencing the election” with the hacks, America’s ex-Wife and her retinue would have all been tarred, feathered, and soundly beaten by now.

    And as side note, what person performing a high-profile function in government or politics doesn’t automatically assume that their “private” emails will be hacked? Who is that dumb?

  29. “Trump COULD have said “If the election is close…”

    Trump could have said “like that pledge Chris?”

    He could have said “what difference at this point does it make?”

    Trump outed the corrupt Dems and everyone sees it. They own this. They won. It’s their country now. Finish her off!

    Congratulations!

  30. “Who is that dumb?”

    As if we don’t hack their shit, too. It’s akin to being upset over short wave number stations. It’s assumed.

  31. “No, that is not what was put on the table. The question implicitly asked if Trump would respect a clear outcome.”

    That was not Wallace’s question, Rube. That is your and MSNBC’s “Gore carveout” question. No implication of a Gore carveout. The question posed in the context of Trump’s “rigged system” and hacked/corrupted polling comment.

  32. “It’s entertaining to watch Rutherford run with what the TV tells him to for a couole days…”

    No shit.

    Still waiting for a reason why Trumps answer is so fucking important to Rutherford if it isn;t the teevee talking through him again.

  33. Rabbit. I would have lied and said that of course I would accept the results of the election as I assembled a new team of lawyers and private investigators. I usually tell the truth, but these people are my enemies, and they are ideologically foreign occupiers.

  34. <blockquote<“You have zero credibility. You voted for a horse’s ass.”

    Why should that have any bearing on credibility? You Rutherford voted for a horse’s ass twice, and a grossly incompetent and corrupt one to boot. 😛

    Did you happen to notice that Hillary Rotten lied through her teeth about Obama lowering the deficit by 2/3.

    I’ll say this again. In Obama’s 8th year, the deficit was $1.422 trillion dollars according to the Treasury Dept. Did Bush run a $4.5 trillion deficit and somebody forgot to tell us about it?

    EPIC FAIL, EPIC LIE.

  35. Bigwigs in the Trump campaign are now taking “a step back for personal reasons”.

    Meanwhile, Paul Ryan, the supposed GOP frontrunner for 2020, polls below 50% in favorability, and below Trump as to “what the GOP should stand for politically”.

    Neither bode well in the short or long term for the Republican party.

  36. False. It was not implicit. At all.

    You heard what you wanted to hear. Everyone knows a Bush v Gore scenario needs some sort of recount/adjudication. That’s not the question. The question is will Donald face certain defeat like a man or a sore loser. It’s as simple as that.

    The real answer that I think is at the crux of your irritation with the media is that it doesn’t matter. If he doesn’t like losing, so what?

  37. It is amusing to watch the left respond to the right imitating them.

    It’s much more amusing watching the right imitate the left. Suddenly the right is sooooo concerned about people’s feefees. Especially women’s feefees. 😂😂😂😂

  38. I had to go to Secretary of State today. Saw nothing but Spanish speakers registering for the vote. My brother told me that Dr. Savage guy was claiming tgere is a concerted governemnt effort to register Hispanics for the vote. I have to say, from what I saw…it looked true.

    If the Dems are successful in destroying these people’s spirit and make them dependent… The country is done.

  39. “Still waiting for a reason why Trumps answer is so fucking important to Rutherford if it isn;t the teevee talking through him again.”

    Waiting.

  40. claiming tgere is a concerted governemnt effort to register Hispanics for the vote. I have to say, from what I saw…it looked true.

    So the fuck what? Were they citizens? If so they get to vote.

    Get a bus load of whites to show up and nullify their vote with a counter vote. … And stop whining.

  41. I don’t know what you’re waiting for. Maybe you’re waiting for your reading comprehension to get beyond third grade.

    I stated media reaction is overblown. I also stated that Trump, knowing how the media would react, still went ahead and said something imprecise and therefore stupid.

    What burns you guys up is that I’m one of the only folks here completely clear headed. Hillary is a lying criminal who has NO business as nominee and Trump is a JOKE who has NO business being the nominee. And I’m not twisting myself in knots justifying voting for either one.

    Each one of you is voting for Trump with a lump in your throat. If you deny that, you’re either a moron or a liar or both.

  42. Let’s talk concrete. This is what Wallace asked and what Trump answered. Wallace handed Trump a get out of jail card and Trump tossed it.

    If I were a betting man I’d wager Rabbit didn’t even watch the debate.

    WALLACE: But, sir, there is a tradition in this country — in fact, one of the prides of this country — is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign that the loser concedes to the winner. Not saying that you’re necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner and that the country comes together in part for the good of the country. Are you saying you’re not prepared now to commit to that principle?

    TRUMP: What I’m saying is that I will tell you at the time. I’ll keep you in suspense. OK?

    Wallace could not have framed the question more completely.

  43. “I don’t know what you’re waiting for.”

    (Still waiting for a reason why Trumps answer is so fucking important to R.)

    So…it isnt?

    “What burns you guys up is that I’m one of the only folks here completely clear headed.”

    Youre delusional.

    “Each one of you is voting for Trump with a lump in your throat. If you deny that, you’re either a moron or a liar or both.”

    That you dont retch a little on your own vote for Obama doesnt speak well of you.

    Your ideology is a sickness.

  44. Wallace could not have framed the question more completely.

    And why should anyone agree to those terms? Tradition helped get us into this whole mess. Fuck tradition. Peaceful transition of power, my ass. Power doesn’t change hands so easily. There is always a struggle. Now it’s on the surface. This isn’t something any of us should brush off and move on from. There have been crimes committed against us and in our name by people we entrusted with power. And massive cover-up by the same. Collusion. Conspiracy. Criminality. There is no partisanship between liars. THEY ALL LIE. Where are those sworn to uphold the constitution?

  45. The same Democrats who whined for 8 years that Bush was not legit and Gore should have been elected are now outraged by Trump.

    I am truly a man without a party. All nobility is gone.

  46. Harp on the past Muffy. I’m in the present. Clear as a bell. You’d vote for Micky Mouse to stop Hillary. Good on you.

    Anyone who condemns ALL Democrats has no business calling anyone delusional. That’s got to be one of the stupidest things you’ve ever written anywhere.

    P.S. As I said before, stop waiting. Trumps answer isn’t important to me. It was stupid.

  47. Trump’s answer was brilliant because it was true.

    Your MSNBC take on it and the false implication is stupid because it’s a lie.

    You are the teevee.

  48. “And as side note, what person performing a high-profile function in government or politics doesn’t automatically assume that their “private” emails will be hacked? Who is that dumb?” -BiC

    I was not really referring to he emails as much as the hack of the polling equipment itself. The emails? Yeah. We all know how dems protect confidential info.

  49. “All nobility is gone.” You waited this long to notice? I held a funeral for my nobility three years after I came home.

    It was after a repressed memory returned on June 23, 1973. Be grateful you had such a long run, Rutherford.

  50. A hidden video shows Clinton campaigners were plotting to bring violence to Trump rallies. They also discussed busing voters from one precinct to another.

    Trump is right. This election is being fixed though a wide voting margin will negate the effects of voter manipulation. The news and social media are also working for Hillary.

  51. After watching Clinton make a mockery of rule of law and democracy, I know I, myself, won’t be conceding anything to her upon her victory. I will see her only as a great pretender with no legitimate authority other than brute force, an ignorant mob and some elitist oligarchs.

    And this is if the dems don’t cheat the election. If they do cheat the election, which they have already been busted red handed conspiring to do, I will be rooting for those who are braver than me.

  52. Speaking with some degree of confidence, there’s no doubt all of us voting for Trump are really voting against Hillary.

    What is confusing to me is why you didn’t have a bowling bawl in your throat in that stroll down to the voting booth for Dear Leader Obama second time around. Like us with Hillary, you savaged the character of Mitt Romney unmercifully, parroting the latest MSNBC slang.

    Of course, your opinion of Mitt Romney was not much different than our opinion of Hillary Clinton. After all, the man bullied somebody in the 10th grade and put the dog kennel on top of the car.

    Unforgivable.

  53. “Harp on the past Muffy. I’m in the present. Clear as a bell.”

    Your clear as a bell present requires denial of the past. That’s delusional.

    “You’d vote for Micky Mouse to stop Hillary. Good on you.”

    That’s not true. Bugs Bunny, maybe.

    I wouldn’t vote for Obama to stop Hillary, because he wouldn’t. I wouldn’t vote for any other Dem to stop her because they wouldn’t. I wouldn’t vote for anyone in the media to stop her. There are probably even some in the Republican party I wouldn’t vote for to stop her, though none spring immediately to mind, and I’d seriously consider voting for any Republican who ran on stopping her.

    “Anyone who condemns ALL Democrats has no business calling anyone delusional. That’s got to be one of the stupidest things you’ve ever written anywhere.”

    It seems rather clearheaded for me to hold you and everyone who voted for Obama in 2012 in contempt. That was the moment. I believed then and now more than ever that was our last chance to stop the dismal tide.

  54. “It’s much more amusing watching the right imitate the left. Suddenly the right is sooooo concerned about people’s feefees. Especially women’s feefees.”

    I’m not sure I know to what you’re referring with this but even if it’s 100% insincere I fully support any turnabout on the left.

    I haven’t figured out a way to articulate this well enough but I’ll take a crack at it. I think it would be wise to begin to deny the left the comfort of counting on our (the right’s) principles to allow them to continue to flourish. We can fight on their ground. Most frequently that ground is going to be mud.

  55. After watching Clinton make a mockery of rule of law and democracy, I know I, myself, won’t be conceding anything to her upon her victory. I will see her only as a great pretender with no legitimate authority other than brute force, an ignorant mob and some elitist oligarchs.

    Rule of law is dead.

    First we had “Too Big to Fail”, now we have “Too Big to Jail”.

    Between a double standard in application of the law and a many-headed hydra of a federal government with any number of agencies that can and have been weaponized against the people they were intended to serve, I no longer believe conflict can be avoided.

    Much like the last time, blame can and should be laid completely at the feet of Democrats.

  56. (We can fight on their ground. Most frequently that ground is going to be mud.)

    Trump seems willing to do this. And yes, that’s fine by me.

  57. (I’m not sure I know to what you’re referring with this but even if it’s 100% insincere I fully support any turnabout on the left.)

    Crap I have to walk this back a little – not any turnabout.

    I wouldn’t support cheating or violence many of the other underhanded tactics to which the left stoops. But mud wrestling for the media – I approve.

  58. “Because you can’t vote against someone for having a vagina, but if a candidate has one, then you damn well better be voting FOR her…”

    Unless it’s a Republican

  59. You are the teevee.

    I posted Wallace’s question and Trump’s answer. They speak for themselves.

    You like Trump because you are Trump. Just like him, you’ve never said “I’m wrong” a single time in your life.

    If you can read that question and answer and not get my point means either you’re arguing for the fun of it or you’re stupid. I doubt the latter so I hope you’re having a good time.

  60. Speaking with some degree of confidence, there’s no doubt all of us voting for Trump are really voting against Hillary.

    Thank you for that. I understand that motive and anyone who is up front about it and doesn’t pretend Trump is the right guy, has my respect.

    Of course, your opinion of Mitt Romney was not much different than our opinion of Hillary Clinton.

    That really isn’t true. I was tough on Romney. I felt he failed the “cares about me” test. But I never thought him criminal.

  61. The impartial rule of law as a regularity force is disintegrating as BIC wrote. That is just one feature of the new world which voters who chose Obama over Romney or another candidate are creating. Obviously, one or two votes has little effect until the deluge of the aggregate.

    Rationalizing over spilt milk doesn’t change the truth that sits on the floor.

    I don’t like Trump, and he could be a disaster, but at least Hillary’s blood won’t be on my hands.

  62. “I posted Wallace’s question and Trump’s answer. They speak for themselves.”

    They do indeed. Nothing whatsoever literally or contextually about a “close return” (after the fact Gore carve out you embedded and is directly from the teevee), nor was that the intent. I haven’t got a clue why you think posting the exchange verbatim helps you at all when it proves what I said.

    As to the significance, which is it? You say it don’t mean shit to you, so why is it important to anyone else? Could it be because it is a manufactured controversy, as I said?

  63. No, you weren’t tough on Romney. You carried your portion of lies about Romney in your small way.

    For that, I’ve never thought the same of you again. There was a time I had a degree of respect for you, grudgingly.

    That election taught me you were corrupt and malevolent, and a man without principle or honor.

  64. That election taught me you were corrupt and malevolent, and a man without principle or honor.

    Oh puhleeze. I’m gonna take a lot of hits for the next four years at least because your party failed you spectacularly.

    I’m glad to be of service as your Freudian punching bag. 😊

  65. so why is it important to anyone else? Could it be because it is a manufactured controversy, as I said?

    Seriously, what is going on with your comprehension skills? Yes, it’s a manufactured controversy. When did I say otherwise? Where we inexplicably disagree is you would advise Trump to feed the controversy and I advise him not to.

    Since you need fucking Cliff Notes for one exchange of dialog, let me help you.

    Wallace asked Trump if he was going to behave consistent with the electoral traditions of our country and Trump essentially said “see me in 3 weeks”. The right answer was YES. Our electoral traditions include accounting for voting anomalies with a team of lawyers. This contingency exists by default for EVERY election. So all Trump had to say was YES.

    He knew his answer would stir a manufactured shit storm and he did it anyway. He is a political kamikaze. Why you can’t see that, escapes me.

  66. By the way I also think the “Hillary is nasty” controversy is total bullshit.

    For some reason some folks here think that just because I consider Trump a clown, that means I’m signing up for all the controversies. I’m not. My comments here and in my Twitter feed ought to put that to rest.

  67. Oh puhleeze. I’m gonna take a lot of hits for the next four years at least because your party failed you spectacularly

    I think you misunderestimate the level of contempt I now have for you, Mr. Lawson, no matter who the President.

    Frankly, you’re not worthy of a punching bag anymore. And where you once were a matter of intellectual curiosity, now I find you just a self-absorbed weasel and a woefully naive buffoon that’s become utterly unimportant. 😐

  68. As I wrote before, I would have said “yes” as Rutherford wrote. I would have been lying and making preparations to contest the election if research warented.

  69. Rutherford, you are catching a lot of heat for your previous voting misadventures.

    If you knew then what you know now would you still have voted for Obama and assorted Democrats? Would the mess he has made have outweighed the historical significance of his election?

  70. James finds redemption with Tigre! Steely Dan is fucking great, especially from the old Skunk Baxter/Denny Dias days. I hate that most of the “live” videos are synced like this one. Becker and Fagan are arrogant assholes — but so much of their shit is so good.

  71. Ah so Tex you don’t have contempt for me because I’m unimportant, right? That’s my “misunderestimation”? 😊

    Sorry old man. You’re just pissed you can’t get a rise out of me with Hillary bashing. Damn, no fun in that at all.

    Maybe I’ll reach out to Graychin to come back so you’ll have someone to snark at. I’m sure Gray is completely in the tank for HRC.

  72. I would have been lying and making preparations to contest the election if research warented.

    James I appreciate the support but you’re missing a key point. The “yes” wouldn’t be a lie. That is what is so absurd about the whole controversy. Every candidate has their team of lawyers at the ready to contest a dubious result. Hillary has her team ready. This goes with the territory.

    Yes is not a lie. It should be a given. If Trump weren’t such an ass he’d know this and not feed the shitstorm.

  73. Sorry old man. You’re just pissed you can’t get a rise out of me with Hillary bashing. Damn, no fun in that at all.

    Old man, hey? 😆 Is that what you think I’m talking about, dummy? Hillary bashing and getting a rise out of you? You’re funniest when you’re not trying to be.

    If I were really the nasty SOB a few of you think I am, I could unmercifully hurt your precious feelings about now and knock your little black worm in the dirt. I can virtually guarantee I know a lot more about you than you might suspect. 😈

    Graychin ain’t coming back. He’s now been rendered neutered, if there was ever a time old Larry wasn’t neutered. It was a joy raising his blood pressure, though. What was it Graychin came in here looking for one night after the last election? Schadenfreude? I wonder if he found it when Tigre and I were through with him, including mocking his son-in-law chef, before taking his ball and going home.

    I’ll give you one thing. You’re braver than Graychin. Ain’t much of a compliment, but it’s all I can muster in my disgust with you and everything you stand for.

  74. I can virtually guarantee I know a lot more about you than you might suspect. 😈

    Have at it. I may be a black male but I won’t be blackmailed. The advantage to being dead broke and mostly a homebody is how boring ones life is.

    Shit, I haven’t been as adventurous as you in YEARS! You know, that whole gum on the car handle escapade. 😳😳😳 🚗🚗🚗

  75. This was delicious. Matthews, a big sports fan, interviews Curt Schilling and gets more than he bargained for. Poor Chris squirms through the entire interview trying to suck up to the baseball star as Curt goes further and further right, culminating in saying Matthews is full of crap about Hillary.

    If most of you don’t enjoy this, you’re just not in a good mood to start with.

    P.S. I couldn’t find the full interview. This captures the best part.

  76. Uh oh!!!! Later in the same episode, Chris goes back to the video tape. Curt heard “truth” when Chris said “troops”.

    Matthews right. Schilling wrong. Curt ends up looking the asshole. He’s a Trump supporter. Republicans can’t get out of their own way.

    Oh well. I thought that video would be a gift to all of you Matthews haters. Alas, wrong video.

  77. Have at it. I may be a black male but I won’t be blackmailed. The advantage to being dead broke and mostly a homebody is how boring ones life is

    Man, that was truly hood worthy, even for their micro bench warmer. That was almost as good as your cliche on slavery and power – kind of a Travis Smiley apprentice quote.

    That assumes I find you worthy of being “black balled.” I don’t. Frankly, karma does all the work for me, chief. I might make the attempt to amuse myself, but there’s nothing really of worth to blackmail. It’s your future I wish to discuss.

    Here’s the kicker, Rutherford. No matter who wins this election and how many programs you get to watch on MSNBC 24/7, your life will suck just a little bit more come this November. Rinse, repeat for as long as it lasts. You can ruminate on that little immutable fact if you wish. 🙂

  78. “Yes” the way I mean it is a lie. Of course all of the other candidates have a team of lawyers and researchers ready to contest a dubious result, but Trump’s “no” implied he would do something different from the norm.

    Had Trump said his answer was in the same spirit as Gore’s challenging Bush’s victory and quoting Hillary about a rigged election he would have suffered less reaction.

    His best decision would be to lie with “yes.” Most voters are too ignorant and shallow to understand the implications.

  79. El Tygre, that song brings memories. In 1973 we were just beginning to farm, and times were lean. I drove my wife to her meeting place at 5:30AM each morning for her ride to her ad writer job in Omaha.

    The agency over hired during busy times and shed employees later by harassing them into quitting later. The selected victim was supporting her sick mother and really needed the job. She was so discouraged by her treatment that she sometimes cried in front of my wife.

    That song played on the radio as I thought of my wife’s co- worker. She finally found a job as a television weather girl and threw a celebration party for the agency workers and families. She did not invite the agency owners.

    She started a weather girl craze in Omaha. One of her compatriots left tv and became a member of the Manheim Steam Roller band.

  80. “Matthews right. Schilling wrong. Curt ends up looking the asshole.”

    To whom? Oh yeah. Hillary supporters. People that watch MSNBC. People so shallow they wouldn’t pause to wonder why Mathews reacted to a statement linking the words “Hillary” and “truth” as defamatory.

  81. “People so shallow they wouldn’t pause to wonder why Mathews reacted to a statement linking the words “Hillary” and “truth” as defamatory.”

    Right. A most interesting exchange including CM’s telling reactions.

    But its more frequently about who won with you Rutherford, and less often that you concern yourself with what something is really about.

    I appreciated the clip.

  82. There are just some things we shouldn’t accept in life, and this list covers some of them.

    Now of course we need to convert any anger we have into some form of productive energy, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be pissed about it first. We’re not just a finite snapshot of infinite consciousness, we’re also a biological machine in which an emotional spectrum is embedded into the physiology of our body, so it’s there to be used with purpose.

    After all, no great change ever occurred without a touch of anger to stoke the fire of passion and justice.

    So with that considered, let’s dive straight into what should be getting your “fuck that!” on. This is just a short list of many, but it’s a little reinforcement for those who need it. And remember the golden rule; if it encroaches on your own or someone else’s freedom or health, then you are in your right to say “FUCK THAT!”

    http://new-paradigm.ws/fuk-5-realities-need-get-angry/

  83. This site is becoming a news source for me. Watching world events turns my stomach and so do people like Chris Mathews. It feels better for me to read about it second hand instead of actually suffering through the event.

    Ignorant, shallow people who vote will be the end of us. Maybe we could bribe them to stay home. It would be illegal, but so are many Democrats.

  84. Ignorant, shallow people who vote will be the end of us.

    That is pretty much the gist of this article:

    However, the US president as in the case of Obama and what he represents is not the real threat to the country’s citizenry. He is only a symptom: A man as untrustworthy as Obama has been confidently voted into the Whitehouse and allowed to run for president by the US citizenry. This in effect makes the US citizenry the root-cause of the problem and the real humanitarian threat.

    http://www.newparadigm.ws/my-blogs/the-presidency-and-dealing-with-the-root-cause-of-what-ails-america/

  85. James finds redemption with Tigre! Steely Dan is fucking great, especially from the old Skunk Baxter/Denny Dias days. I hate that most of the “live” videos are synced like this one. Becker and Fagan are arrogant assholes — but so much of their shit is so good.

    This one better expresses my feelings.

  86. I like both Steely Dan videos.

    I agree, Poolman. The ultimate blame falls on the voters.

    The NASCAR truck race for the chase is proceeding. John Hunter Nemachec was a contender until his motor blew up just now. Maybe something comparable will happen to Hillary. I’m not holding my breath.

  87. Last night my brother killed a doe by way of a head shot via cross bow. The bolt went through her head on an angle and then slammed into the end piece of the back strap. These new crossbows have amazing power.

    Fucking spooky gutting in the dead of night due to the fact my resident bear is back in town.

    We forgot any real knife and I had to gut with a dull little pocket knife. I would have been better off using my car keys! We had one dull flash light and two cell phones lights. At one point we both managed to get lost in the the fucking woods.

    We were up bickering at one another to 1 am taking care of business . When we turned in the doe to the butcher this morning, first thing the guy did was laugh at us it as the doe was so small! We both pointed at one another and said, “he shot it.”

  88. I could never really warm up to Steely Dan. Vocalist sucks. But I don’t deny they produced serious music, not bubblegum BS. “Ricky, Don’t Lose that Number” is probably my favorite.

  89. To whom? Oh yeah. Hillary supporters. People that watch MSNBC.

    It demonstrates your inability to be objective to say such a thing. Incorrectly hearing what someone said and then sticking to your guns and basically calling the other person a liar with a smug look on your face makes you an asshole.

    It makes you an asshole on …
    MSNBC
    Fox News
    ABC
    CBS
    NBC
    The New York Times
    The Washington Post
    Breitbart
    Drudge
    The Daily Caller
    Rutherford Lawson’s Bar and Grill

    It’s the act that makes you an asshole, not the venue.

    😀😀😀😀

  90. But its more frequently about who won with you Rutherford, and less often that you concern yourself with what something is really about.
    I appreciated the clip.

    I see your point here. I posted the clip before I finished watching the show. My intent in posting it was to show Matthews interviewing someone he wanted to like and who he desperately wanted to like him. As Schilling went further right, Matthews struggled more and more. I found that dynamic very interesting. That’s why I posted it.

    Unfortunately, after I posted it, I watched Matthews prove Schilling was wrong. And yes, Schilling not knowing what he was talking about kinda deflated the exchange for me.

    Schilling kinda proved Chris’s point. Amateur pols don’t usually do too well.

  91. Maybe we could bribe them to stay home.

    No need. James I think (hope) this will be the lowest turnout in history. I think many Americans see this election for what it is, a total farce.

  92. Poolman I didn’t read your article but clearly we get the government we deserve.

    What disgusts me is not what will happen on the 8th. I’m pissed about what lead to this. Stupid, stupid, people without principle putting Trump and HRC at the top of their respective tickets. That is the sin of this election.

  93. After ignoring my whole comment, then applying your test makes you the biggest asshole in your very own blog.

    I’ll wager we can find a conservative on the receiving end of a misheard a comment proving your assholery. You misreading then smugly declaring someone a liar would return examples too numerous to recount.

  94. R, remember when Jeb misheard the question about hindsight and going into Iraq? What do you call it when someone the left insists you didn’t really mishear something that was misheard? I call it par for the course.

  95. Obviously we need to restrict sufferage to white men especially those who have not been to college. Who will bell the cat?

    I am joking.

  96. I could never really warm up to Steely Dan. Vocalist sucks. But I don’t deny they produced serious music, not bubblegum BS. “Ricky, Don’t Lose that Number” is probably my favorite.

    Everytime I think that maybe we can be friends, you say something stupid like this.

    Serious musicians. Serious brainpower (seriously, check out what Jeff Baxter does for a living these days), and they were probably the biggest smartasses ever to get their songs past censors.

    As for the vocalist…which one?

    Donald Fagen? Jim Hodder? David Palmer? Royce Jones? Michael McDonald?

    This is one of my favorites, but Black Cow is still the best.

  97. I’ll wager we can find a conservative on the receiving end of a misheard a comment proving your assholery.

    That may well be true. At least you get my point now. I never said I wasn’t an asshole. I just said Schilling was. 😀😀

  98. remember when Jeb misheard the question …

    Mmm I don’t recall that as a “mis-hear”. I recall that as Jeb botching the answer and taking a couple of days to correct it. Poor Jeb had a lot of trouble having to own his brother. Jeb was noble throughout. So was Kasich.

  99. Everytime I think that maybe we can be friends, you say something stupid like this.

    LOL Sorry to disappoint, BiC. As I said, I respect them for their musicianship.

    As for sucky vocals, I thought the same dude sang most of their 70’s era hits, FM, Ricky, Do It Again. Is that Fagen? I don’t know. Sucky may be unfair but not one of the better rock vocalists IMHO.

  100. I bought Can’t Buy a Thrill and Pretzel Logic when they were released. I also picked up The Royal Scam, but didn’t appreciate so much then.

  101. “Mmm I don’t recall that as a “mis-hear”. I recall that as Jeb botching the answer and taking a couple of days to correct it.”

    And there is my assholery checkmate. It was a mishear. You don;t rememeber it as that becuase. . . go ahead asshole. Complete the thought. 😆

    Steely Dan is the shit regardless of who was doing the vocals (I see R is not at all familiar with Steely Dan).

    I consider Aja one of the top 25 Albums of all time. And the Brecker Brothers. . .

    Time to go dust some off my rare, long stored away early studio bootleg. About a dozen unreleased tunes from the very early days. Some not the greatest. A few still have me wondering why they got scrapped.

  102. No Rutherford. Fagan didn’t do vocals throughout. In fact, that’s David Palmer (not a fan) in the Do It Again video James posted. But even Fagan’s solo stuff is worthy.

  103. R, a little trivia. Chevy Chase played drums with Becker and Fagan at Annandale before they moved on with Denny Dias to form Steely Dan.

  104. @R – Schilling was right and truthful about everything except he heard one word wrong. There was a lot of merit in what he said and a mistake doesn’t make him wrong. We don’t have to be perfect to be right.

    It’s funny that’s the closest Ive ever come to liking Matthews.

  105. The demographics tweet is BULLSHIT simply because the dude says he didn’t break out POC cos every minority was straight blue. I don’t buy that. I think a lot of Hispanics, especially Cubans, are GOP.

  106. I want the cubbies to win just so I don’t have to hear about the “curse” anymore. Steely Dan sucked Donkey Kong. And I’m royally P.O.d that I can’t get my new car Homelite crap to synch up with my remote control.

    That’s a damn interesting map demographic, Tigre. I’m beginning to believe my wife might be the smartest person on earth, certainly the smartest woman.

    I’ve heard her more than once say “We need a lot more women to start thinking like men.” Now I know what she was talking about. 😛

  107. “The demographics tweet is BULLSHIT simply because the dude says he didn’t break out POC cos every minority was straight blue. I don’t buy that. I think a lot of Hispanics, especially Cubans, are GOP.”

    A lot may be. Why would that change the map? I don’t think it would. Prove me wrong.

  108. I agree. We need more women who think like men. Maybe that will happen after Hillary becomes president. If Trump wins, many will be too incoherant to think.

    When “Do it Again” was released, a debate over treatment of criminals was in progress. Should we throw the book and build more jails, or should we rehabilitate them?

    I wondered if they were making a political statement with the first verse about the man who escaped punishment for murder and did it again.

  109. In 2004 a plane crash killed ten of Hendrix Motor Sports family members and co workers. Hendrix’s brother led weekly Bible study classes. He and his twin daughter died with Rick’s son Little Rick.

    No one knew if they could continue in a week of funerals and grief.

    One week after the crash, Jimmy Johnson carried who he said were ten angels in his car. He desperately wanted to win for “the family.” Mark Martin was nearing retirement and he wanted to win as badly as Johnson because he had a chance at a championship.

    A little poetic license puts us near their position as we face an uncertain future after this election.

  110. p.s. James, I recall Fagan once saying that do it again is about a man’s cheatin’ ho-bag lady. Most all of Fagan’s lyrics are very dark and with alot of sexual metaphors. Hell, lyrics in general are going for mood and meter and above meaning. Like Mark Twain whose works were discussed and analyzed at Universities even while he was living, he was “just trying to write a good story” and marvaled at all if the bullshit projected onto them.

  111. A lot may be. Why would that change the map? I don’t think it would. Prove me wrong.

    So you’re saying that even if there are a lot of conservative Cubans in Florida, they wouldn’t amount to enough to turn an Hispanic Florida map red?

    You may be right. I don’t know.

  112. I was under the impression that Steely Dan was Fagen, Becker and a rotating bunch of pro studio musicians. I thought Fagen and Becker were the only constants. I’m wrong?

  113. Hell, lyrics in general are going for mood and meter and above meaning.

    Shit, try to decipher half the songs of the Cars. “Set aside the screaming fish” from “Cruiser”.

  114. Sorry but I thought that deer video was very sweet. Sad that two hours later he encountered Rabbit’s brother.

    BTW, the Jack Nicholson clip was great. Tigre, which point were you trying to make, a commentary on women or on how people over intellectualize works of art?

  115. A commentary on women. I cite that line to women when I’m feeling passive aggressive. That way I don’t have to own the thought.

  116. “So you’re saying that even if there are a lot of conservative Cubans in Florida, they wouldn’t amount to enough to turn an Hispanic Florida map red?”

    Yes. I don’t know that to be the case, but I believe it.

    You know, it’s like the “national polls.” You factor in California alone and you can get a giant number even though the number in electoral college votes doesn’t change (winner takes all).

  117. “I was under the impression that Steely Dan was Fagen, Becker and a rotating bunch of pro studio musicians. I thought Fagen and Becker were the only constants. I’m wrong?”

    That’s pretty much true. They are primarily session players. But they’ve had some, like McDonald, who are pretty reliably on most of their stuff depending on the phase. Shit, I think they went through 8-10 guitarists for one solo on an Aja tune. I’ve forgotten which one, but they really are studio guys. I’ve seen them live several times. Meh. Just trying to do it like the recording. Nothing special.

    Becker’s solo stuff is also meh. He and Fagan have a groove though. They just work together well for whatever reason, mostly they can put up with each other. Fagan is interesting but can be a real cock.

    I don’t want to oversell Steely Dan. It’s just that it has a special place for me. When I was younger I played the vinyl so many times on their albums you could drop the needle and hear both sides at the same time. It was like recess from the heavy stuff and interesting enough stylistically to keep your attention. Everything from the emphasis to the voicings on the chords was unique. The stuff you seem to like the most is the poppier, which is okay, but I think some of their lesser played stuff is best.

  118. Good point, El Tigre. Lyrics are best when they let the listener re create the meaning to fit his/her experiences.

    I agree about the Car’s mumbling, but I like some of their music.

    Florida also has a population of elderly migrants from liberal parts of the east coast. They affect elections too.

  119. Lyrics are best when they let the listener re create the meaning to fit his/her experiences.
    I agree about the Car’s mumbling, but I like some of their music.

    I actually take issue with both points. I much prefer to know what the intent of the artist is. Of course 85% of pop music is “let’s fuck” so I’m not talking about that. But for the other 15%, if you’re gonna make a point, make it. I enjoy the music of Paul Simon but damn, he can be cryptic.

    As for the Cars, I wasn’t saying they mumble. On the contrary they enunciate more clearly than most. I was saying their lyrics, mostly written by Ric Ocasek, often make no goddam sense.

    Back in college, a friend of mine took “Cruiser” (the song I posted) and tried to put meaning to it. It was hilarious as she tried to infer all sorts of sociological stuff from it. “Cruiser” is one of the best examples of a series of nonsequiters. I would assume the chorus is about gay cruising. But the verses?

    Chrome red eyeballs reflect and roll
    The simple sun is slowly sinking
    Roman shoes and pretty hats
    And glitter bombs that beat the beat.

    WTF??? But Tigre is right. For meter and sound (phonics) it works.

  120. I like The Cars “You Might Think” video. It is light hearted and full of fluff but the video works.

    I also like the Nits, a Dutch band. The lyrics tell a simple story and like good fiction the song builds tension to a climax.

    I like some of Moby in small quantities, but I don’t like his politics.

  121. But even Fagan’s solo stuff is worthy.

    The Nightfly and Kamakiriad are both awesome.

    I’ve seen them live several times. Meh. Just trying to do it like the recording. Nothing special.

    I have the Alive in America CD. I enjoyed it, but I’ve never seen them live. The live version of Bodisatva on the “Citizen” box set was pretty good, too.

    Becker’s solo stuff is also meh. He and Fagan have a groove though. They just work together well for whatever reason, mostly they can put up with each other. Fagan is interesting but can be a real cock.

    I have 11 Tracks of Whack. I noticed that they put “Book of Liars” in the rotation for live shows. Becker also played on so much of Kamakiriad that it should probably be considered a Steely Dan album.

    I grew up listening to Steely Dan in the car on the way to my grandparents’ house every weekend. Dad would have WRIF out of Detroit on the car radio, and I was always listening for the magic words: “Comin’ up next, it’s Steely Dan.”

    For years, I thought that Steely Dan was a DJ who just played cool songs.

  122. Zero Hedge says a new Wikileaks e mail shows John Podesta coordinating poll sampling to produce over samples. The latest ABC/Washington Post poll shows a 9% sampling bias.

  123. “Good point, El Tigre. Lyrics are best when they let the listener re create the meaning to fit his/her experiences.”

    I wasn’t really saying that. But I do listen carefully to the music and not so much on lyrics anyway. At least it keeps me from misinterpreting them.

  124. What do you think of Blue Oyster Cult

    Directed at BiC but I’ll chime in. I only know the same song everyone else knows – “Don’t Fear the Reaper” – but it is one of my top 25 songs of all time.

  125. I just watched a segment on a rare genetic disorder called MLD that kills kids by age six. But there’s a very encouraging treatment available in … Italy. That’s right, fucking Italy, while USA drags its feet.

    Infuriating. Maybe the money spent on those goddam pharma commercials should be redirected into clinical trials to save lives.

    Next time you see a goddam Viagra commercial think about some six year old at death’s door for no good fucking reason. 😡😡😡

  126. The part that bothers me the most about pharma commercials is the “ask your doctor about…”

    If I have to ask my doctor about some medicine, I’m gonna be looking for a new doctor before I’m looking for a new medicine.

  127. I like “Blue Oyster Cult’s” Burning for You, but “Don’t Fear the Reaper” is also on my top 25 list. It was the sound track for the opening scenes of Stephen King’s “The Stand.”

    I know of two songs by the Blasters. “Dark Night” was the sound track for part of “Dusk Till Dawn.” I believe two brothers who helped found the band fought to the point of barely speaking to each other at times. Blues, country, and early rock and roll influenced them.

  128. I also like the Stray Cats and their evolution toward a big band sound. The Fabulous Thunderbirds are good too.

    Wanda Jackson, whom I posted here was one of the pioneers who led to some of these other bands.

    Maybe it is my genetic connection but I also like Sofia Jannok, Jousnen Jarvid, and Mari Boine as well as Somby. Their lyrics are pretty simple because most of their songs include the joik, a shamanistic chant.

  129. According to an ad looking for people to join a class action law suit, Viagra is associated with a greater chance of skin cancer.

    Our daughter knows a family with two sick sons. The disorder is so rare no treatments are known.

    Tom Hayden died. It is nice to outlive a traitor, though I wasn’t wishing him dead.

  130. LOL. I have forgotten about the Nicholson movie. What a great line! 😛

    The older I get, the more I find myself actually listening to the lyrics. And I still think The Beatles and The Stones have the most clever lyrics throughout their careers, followed by The Eagles. There’s one hit wonders that are as good “American Pie,” “Paradise by the Dashboard Lights,” “Dust in the Wind,” “Simple Man.” The late 60s and 70s really had a bunch of good stuff – especially the Folk Music. Heck, even some of the 80s and 90s stuff was clever, though I can’t stomach their singers (Guns & Roses and Pearl Jam) and Garth Brooks actually composed some real thinkers (Unanswered Prayers).

    This crap produced today is what an old preacher I know called 7/11 Songs. Seven words, sung 11 times, to a dance beat – the blacker it gets, the worse it gets.

  131. I was always liked this song because the gal reminds me of this “love” I had a few times named “Minnie.” 😆 😆 Little perky bod, she could really sing, and looked just about like this babe in the same clothes. She mentioned her daddy talking about marriage and I left skid marks. Always felt a little guilty.

  132. A mother fucker goes to Canada and comes back to a 70’s radio blog?

    @ Rutherford your original post was good and Applaud what I see as your final coming to the light moment. I do have some fears you’ll possibly slip in the retrospective period but I’m confident we here will help you with that.

    As for your outrage at US pharmaceuticals I am going to say you need to collect yourself. Although I hold no love for Big Pharma they are not uninvolved in the MLD field. GlaskoSmithKline is allied with the umbrella group Fondazione Telethon who in turn tapped the researchers.. Fondazione Telethon has committed itself to be the cutting edge entity on researching the “orphan” genetic disorders. These rare disorders on their own do not end lives at the levels other headliners do but together offer a grim reminder to the fragility of the human being. In the USA NIHS is involved in supporting research on the orphans and even tip their cap to the Italian led group.
    Anyway my big takeaway for you on this is the following. Folks like Fondazione Telethon are not the benevolent noblemen of the future. They are in fact mirror images of a number of groups delving into genetics and gene therapy who along the way have opened up the new venue of people fucking litigation laden nightmare that is patents on genes as well as therapies.

  133. 70’s radio blog. Refreshing isn’t it?

    In honor of your visit to Canada, I need to post Paralyzer by Finger Eleven, or even better, “Safety Dance” by Men Without Hats

    We are ready to return to Omaha for the first time in ten days. That is the longest contiguous time we have been home since our grand daughter was born over three years ago.

    I have just completed my absentee ballot. No Hillary taint rests on me.

  134. Yes, a hat tip to any company researching treatment for orphan diseases. It may not initially be cost effective, but as our daughter’s aquaitances watching the slow death of their sons with no treatment available attest, the ordeal is a quiet nightmare.

  135. “A mother fucker goes to Canada and comes back to a 70’s radio blog?”

    7o’s music is considered current in most parts of Canada.

    I hear there’s this young man named Justin Bieber that’s making the scene.

  136. The older I get, the more I find myself actually listening to the lyrics. And I still think The Beatles and The Stones have the most clever lyrics throughout their careers, followed by The Eagles. There’s one hit wonders that are as good “American Pie,” “Paradise by the Dashboard Lights,” “Dust in the Wind,” “Simple Man.” The late 60s and 70s really had a bunch of good stuff – especially the Folk Music. Heck, even some of the 80s and 90s stuff was clever, though I can’t stomach their singers (Guns & Roses and Pearl Jam) and Garth Brooks actually composed some real thinkers (Unanswered Prayers).

    And the older I get, the more I find I’m living songs like Don Henley’s “The End of the Innocence” and in a nod to Alfie’s latest trip to America’s Hat, Blue Rodeo’s “One Light Left in Heaven.” When they tone down their political message, they’re f’in brilliant, and a national treasure to our friends north of the border.

  137. Hey James I forgot about “Burning for You” by BOC. Yeah, that’s a good one too.

    Am I correct that the singer in Reaper is urging his partner to join a suicide pact?

  138. R, what’s the anticipated rise in Obamacare premiums in Illinois? Some states are 100-120%. The primary insurer here, Humana, has pulled out of all markets except a handful of counties, and they are set/authorized for a 67.5% increase. The other two carriers are in deep do do.

  139. They’ve chosen their side. I’d like to make them OWN that when the bill comes due.

    I would add the Women of the Left to that list, BIC. ISIS, ISIS? Our pants our down, our boys are busy, and Gloria Allred called Mohammad a pedophile and fag. Come and get us!!!

  140. R, what’s the anticipated rise in Obamacare premiums in Illinois?

    Dunno. I hear a national average increase of 25%. Guess that’s what happens when we pass bills without reading them.

    The other perspective is that this is like the buggy first release of an operating system – and we are the devices.

    Oh well, maybe old Tex is right. Maybe Obamas folly may make me meet my maker. Let my gravestone read: “He died so that future generations could have affordable healthcare”. 😩😩😩

  141. I also like the Stray Cats and their evolution toward a big band sound.

    James those were separate efforts both by Brian Setzer. The Stray Cats was his rockabilly venture where he led a trio. The Brian Setzer Orchestra was the big band thing.

  142. Apparently McCartney died in a car wreck in 66 and Billy Shears took over. That was always the conspiracy, but it looks legit based on the photographic evidence and recent Ringo revelations. Billy is also a little taller than Paul was.

  143. I’ve been having a lot of fun the last few weekends supporting some of our local bands. I really enjoy hearing and watching live musicians, even if the style isn’t always to my preference.

  144. I’ve been having a lot of fun the last few weekends supporting some of our local bands.

    When I read that I first thought you were volunteering as a roadie but I realized you meant audience support. 😊

  145. Rutherford, I was never clear about Don’t Fear the Reaper. Either the woman’s partner and she killed each other or Satan appeared at her window and talked her into it. I don’t know what the writers meant, but I like the supernatural evil spirit.

    I should have been more clear. I know Brian Setzer started two bands.

    I agree about Lennon and McCartny’s lyrics. Both bands had different philosophies of music. The Beatles were lower middle class lads with talent who liked American Rock and Roll and who experienced the equivalent of musical basic training to polish their act.

    The Stones and others like them were college and art school students who admired the exotic nature of American blues. Many frequented Billy Dixon’s London night club and some learned to copy what they heard there.

    Unsung heroes of the new music were Liverpool Yanks. They were sailors on ships which carried trade goods to and from the US. US rock and roll had virtually died, but the Brits took old records back to Liverpool. Liverpudlians were converted and soon small night clubs playing this new music infested the city.

    Record executives noticed but since Liverpool was the equivalent of fly over country they ignored the craze until it became obvious they couldn’t.

    Americans didn’t realize the Brits were taking their own music back home to them.

  146. A link to Drudge says known early votes favor Trump slightly. Some Democratic areas have near record registrations.

    KFAB will interview a Texas woman who says some Republican votes were recorded as Democrats and no one there understands why.

    No matter what the truth, perception is reality.

  147. “Rutherford, I was never clear about Don’t Fear the Reaper. Either the woman’s partner and she killed each other or Satan appeared at her window and talked her into it. I don’t know what the writers meant, but I like the supernatural evil spirit.” -James

    Nope.

    “I felt that I had just achieved some kind of resonance with the psychology of people when I came up with that, I was actually kind of appalled when I first realized that some people were seeing it as an advertisement for suicide or something that was not my intention at all. It is, like, not to be afraid of it (as opposed to actively bring it about). It’s basically a love song where the love transcends the actual physical existence of the partners.”
    — Buck Dharma, lead singer BOC

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

  148. “I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

    If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

  149. Thanks for Buck’s comment. It sounds a little like Monsters and Men’s Little Talks.

    Robert Veline died at age 73. He lived in Fargo,ND. Promoters at Moorehead, Minn across the river needed an act to replace the cancelation caused by the deaths of The Big Bopper, Richie Valenz, and Buddy Holly.

    Robert was fifteen and his band was two weeks old. He convinced the promoters to let him try. The band did well and started a career. Bob Dylan was one of the band members, and he suggested Robert call himself Bobby V.

  150. I have very mixed feelings about Tony Schwartz (ghost writer of “Deal”).

    I’m not a big fan of these nobodies coming out of the woodwork to diss Trump. I always smell “15 minutes of fame”.

  151. Are they nobodies because they aren’t on the teevee? Just curious. If so, I count myself among them. This man has his name on the cover of the book in the same type and size as the donald. The book makes both of them money and makes trump look smart. The controversy might mean publicity and book sales. Or it could be clearing his conscience as he states.

    Either way, his insight into the man rings true.

  152. A sitting vice president implies a threat of physical violence against a candidate for president. The candidate counter threats. Trial by combat would be entertaining, at least.

  153. Well, well, well Rutherford. Concerning your imminent death, I may yet beat you to it. 😈

    I think I told you guys I had been having some shortness of breath, especially early in the morning. Last week, I had the final non-invasive test (thank you Jesus I do not have Obamacare) called a CT angioplasty.

    A week went by. Nothing. I finally called. This morning I talked to my Electro-physiologist. Though the results were inconclusive due to a halo effect due to a large calcium deposit, my EP cannot rule stenosis of the Left coronary artery – in laymen’s terms, the widow maker. At least my wife will now believe I’m not imaging it. 😆

    Soon, I go in for an invasive procedure to puncture an artery and feed a scope to the heart itself. Assuming they find stenosis, a stent will be inserted.

    Let me tell you, I still fear death to a degree, but not like I did as a young man. But I would be remiss if I did not admit, it is humbling indeed to learn chances very likely, I just heard what will most likely be my death sentence – sometime, someplace, a massive heart attack much like the Hippie Professor had, armed with better knowledge than Jim. I guarantee you he never knew what hit him. I will.

    If there comes a day I fail to show up, you’ll know what happened.

  154. Sobering. Be well, Tex. I need you here for the entertainment. Rutherford needs you here for doses of reality.

    Fuck the rest of ’em! 😆

  155. Sorry to hear about your situation Tex. I don’t know what’s worse, the actual diagnosis or the worry and preoccupation it brings.

    With all my medical issues I always “prided” myself on a healthy heart. I was so laid low last year when I was diagnosed with mitral valve prolapse. I breathe heavy with little exertion because I have decreased lung volume to start with and the heart is holding back on about 10% of proper pumping. When the doc told me I had 90% function I nearly fell off my chair. If this is 90, I don’t want to know what 75 feels like.

    I think you identified the difference between you and Hippie Professor. He didn’t know what hit him. You’ve been diagnosed and can now take steps to take some control over your destiny. I bet you HP never visited a doctor.

    Hang in there.

  156. There should be no GOP primary in 2020. They should just give the nomination to Mike Pence. Lord knows he’s earned it – valiantly defending his indefensible running mate.

  157. @ Tex I have a long time friend in OKC who recently went in for the cath test and woke up in CCU with two stents. He had high % blockage in LCA and I don’t remember the other.
    Where I’m going with this is the folks out there are just as good as other places at doing the procedure. With that best wishes and hang tough.

  158. A sitting vice president implies a threat of physical violence against a candidate for president. The candidate counter threats. Trial by combat would be entertaining, at least.

    You’d have to cut off Shotgun Joe’s paste supply several days before the fight to get him sufficiently angry.

    That, and take away his supply of women he molests.

    And maybe a high voltage electric shock everytime he makes a rape reference in a public speech.

  159. My great uncle, a two time purple heart recipient in World War II against the Japs, had a major heart attack in his late 40s.

    He just died peacefully in the night a month ago at the age of 97. He was sharp as a tack to the day he died.

  160. My great uncle, a two time purple heart recipient in World War II against the Japs

    I truly believe you are the last living person to use the word “Japs”. How the fuck old are you, 80?

  161. Soon, I go in for an invasive procedure to puncture an artery and feed a scope to the heart itself. Assuming they find stenosis, a stent will be inserted.

    Yikes! That scares me more than the condition. I hope you’re around a long, long, long time so you get to know your grand kids. Besides, I’m praying you will live plenty old enough to actually learn new stuff and then come to admit how right I have been about most everything. 😛

    Seriously, if you were ingesting some of that God-given cannabis medicine, your heart and blood pressure would surely benefit. That research is still difficult to perform through official channels. Those who have been given permission are highly restricted. All preliminaries are positive. If they could patent the thing, it would be everywhere. The plant poses a real danger to the current power structure.

  162. If I talk about them in the context of WW2, they will always be Japs.

    He sounds sorry he isn’t old enough to have interned them his own self. Racist! 😛

  163. I’m leaving directly from work and meeting other dead rabbit kin in the woods where we will drink my brother’s mead, feast on roasted venison from last weekend’s harvest and try to kill another one. Some old school Baltic shit if I say so myself.

  164. “Seriously, if you were ingesting some of that God-given cannabis medicine, your heart and blood pressure would surely benefit.”

    Bullshit.

    I’m all for pot as medicine, but this statement is a crock. I smoked weed for years and still ended up having a major heart attack that resulted in the same procedure Tex is about to have. Even after that, I continued to smoke pot, and finally quit because….it started throwing my blood pressure out of whack.

    Stick to talking about concrete, pools, and parking lot signs.

  165. I read backwards and now see why this is being discussed.

    Tex, I had a myocardial infarction of the left descending ventricle (the Widow Maker) at 34 years old. Damn thing almost killed me because I thought it was just heartburn. My wife detected signs it was something else and called 911. Went in, had the angiogram, and they found a large blockage. I immediately got an angioplasty and stent put in. Nearly 15 years later, many stress tests and various forms of imaging show that the roto-rootering did its job well.

    Hang in there, bud. You’ve done well to listen to your body and not let it get to where I was. We’ll see ya when you get back.

  166. Huck , I can’t imagine the anxiety that gave you and probably still gives you.

    Fucking moron poolman tells Tex to smoke weed. So ignorant. If I was an anti legalization guy I would simply pay poolman to speak in a megaphone….about anything.

  167. Huck, I’m sure you didn’t know what it was you were smoking. At any rate, your attitude, genetics, and environment play a greater role in heart health The cannabis plant can be tweaked hundreds of ways to achieve thousands of results. The key is in the genetics. There are some 300 ingredients discovered so far.

    Animal studies have suggested that cannabis may prevent heart conditions such as heart attacks, atherosclerosis, stroke, hypertension, and coronary heart disease. A 2014 study published in the journal Pharmacological Research suggests that cannabinoids cause blood vessels to relax and widen, which improves circulation and reduces blood pressure. More research is necessary to prove the safety of cannabis for heart health since this study is the first human trial examining cannabis for heart conditions.

    http://www.doctorshealthpress.com/general-health-articles/cannabis-oil-uses

    http://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4

  168. It changed my life, man.

    I had just been laid off from an above-ground mine that has a large network of tunnel conveyors. And we would often have to man a tunnel to make sure the belt feeder was operating properly. That was a really good job and I was so damn angry when they let me go.

    I often think about that, and I’m not angry anymore. Had I been in a tunnel instead of at home, I’d have died in that tunnel. Getting shit-canned saved my life and that heart attack is why I’m now a teacher. I’m not a religious man, but if I were ever to look for proof of a higher power, I know I’d reflect on that chain of events.

    Since then, ANY little thing that doesn’t feel right, I head to the ER. It’s happened a couple times. You want to see people get off their ass in a hurry? Walk into an emergency room and tell them you have a history of heart attack and are having chest pains. You go to the front of the line. Thankfully, both times were not heart related. But that won’t stop me from going back to the ER the next time I feel something.

  169. Yeah PM, I know there are varieties. But you didn’t mention that. You stated, “if you were ingesting some of that God-given cannabis medicine, your heart and blood pressure would surely benefit” as if it were an absolute. My point is…it isn’t.

    Also, your quote says the magic word—“may”. I don’t see “may” in your comment. I see “would”. Those are 2 VERY different words.

  170. I’m done. Read your own quote and go argue with them.

    “More research is necessary to prove the safety of cannabis for heart health since this study is the first human trial examining cannabis for heart conditions.”

  171. Thanks, El Tigre. Keeping up with a three year old does keep one in shape.

    I’m 74. Many of my old friends are in nursing homes or dead.

    Last weekend, my best friend from high school and his wife visited for the first time in four years. He had just survived a quintuple bypass and had nearly died. He and his wife have 26 great grand children. The only story which remotely matched his was our being hit by a train.

    I have developed an affection for total strangers like you and pray that you are functional and alive for many years.

  172. This is the longer clip you don’t see in the news. It gets fun at the 5 minute mark.

    Meanwhile polls are all over the place. President Trump is indeed a bigger possibility than some of us would like to admit.

  173. Hang in there, bud. You’ve done well to listen to your body and not let it get to where I was. We’ll see ya when you get back.

    Thanks everybody. Out of curiosity Huck, have you had to have any additional work on the stent in the 15 years?

    It will still be a little while until I go in because taking baby aspirin, it will be 2-3 weeks before they can even think about puncturing an artery. When I had my vasectomy 20+ years ago, they did a “bleeder” test on me. I have no idea what the medical name, but they pop you with what looks like a piece of dental floss to make sure your blood coagulates as expected. Mine was like water from taking a daily aspirin.

    Took about 21 days before I could have the minor surgery. May be longer with an artery instead of your vas. The only thing that hurt during that surgery was the damn shot they told me would feel like a bee sting.

    My ass. I felt like a mule had kicked me in the nuts. 😛

  174. No, I haven’t had anything done on the stent. I’m gonna avoid asking if I should because I don’t want to start worrying about it, LOL. I see a cardiologist regularly and just had a chemical stress test with nuclear imaging a few months ago.

    It takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’.

    A word to everyone else. Pay attention to the signs. I had been having chest pains for 3 weeks before this hit. I figured it was dust from the mine, smoking, and a cold. Even when I was breaking out in a cold sweat having a full on heart attack I just figured it was anything else. I was 34 years old, why would I think I was having a heart attack?

    When my wife saw me rubbing my left arm was when she went into action. By the time the ambulance arrived I was pouring with cold sweat laying on the floor getting ready to go into shock. They hooked me up with a bunch of gizmos and got me onto the cart. In the van, the guy tells me “I think you’re having a heart attack. I’m going to spray some nitro into your mouth. If you’re not having a heart attack it won’t do anything but give you a slight headache. If you are, you should feel immediate relief.” He sprayed and I instantly felt relief. I hadn’t felt any fear, even when I was close to death–because I didn’t realize I was close to death. The fear came once I knew what was really going on.

  175. You folks won’t believe this.

    The lib spin on the latest Wikileaks is RELIEF that HRC actually has some honest people in her inner circle (e.g. Podesta and Neera Tanden).

    LOL That’s like giving Charlie Manson a pass because secret emails revealed that some of his best buds told him not to murder people. 😀😀

  176. “The only thing that hurt during that surgery was the damn shot they told me would feel like a bee sting.

    My ass. I felt like a mule had kicked me in the nuts.”

    Yeah, when I had that done, it sucked. All the tugging and pressure felt weird and I kept imagining what they were doing, which wasn’t smart. Then the little Chinese doctor tells me afterward “don’t try to get an erection for a couple days.” What he should have said was “don’t try to get an erection for a couple days”. Because some things don’t take much…effort. The pain was horrendous and lasting. Kicked in the nuts by a mule is an apt description.

    That all might have been TMI but whatever 😀

  177. C’mon Rutherford. We’re trying to talk about our heart and our balls here, man. Don’t muddy it up with politics 😛

  178. With that said, Assange continues to disappoint me. I want REAL dirt and he ain’t producing it. And he keeps dumping thousands of emails at a time which buries any needles in a haystack.

    Major fail.

  179. Then the little Chinese doctor tells me afterward “don’t try to get an erection for a couple days.”

    lol. He probably said election.

  180. “President Trump is indeed a bigger possibility than some of us would like to admit.”

    I still don’t think so, and he didn’t get my mark on the mail-in ballot I sent out yesterday.

    But if it happens I can’t deny I will do more than snicker at the shitstorm that follows.

  181. If trump get’s elected, then blame the simpsons. They are like nostradamus.

    Should we add another to the clinton dead pile?

  182. When my wife and I were long-distance dating, her brother dropped dead of a heart attack at work. Same thing Huck describes. He didn’t feel well for a week, blamed it on heartburn even though antacids weren’t giving him any relief. I never got to meet the guy which is a double shame because he was basically her favorite brother.

    There was no resuscitating him. He was dead before he hit the floor.

  183. We have mail-in ballots in Illinois but I just don’t trust them. My better half and I will vote this week or early next. Sorry gang, but she’s making Muffy’s vote null and void. And I won’t take any grief on her behalf. She’ll be going into that booth with a clothespin on her nose.

  184. I didn’t vote for a single Republican or Democrat. I either voted 3rd party, did a write-in, or just didn’t make a selection for that particular office. I also made selections for non-partisan offices, like school board.

    I’m done with both major parties. The light between them is increasingly shrinking and they are both equally worthless. I said that months ago, well before even the primary season started and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. Piss on them both.

  185. We have mail-in ballots in Illinois but I just don’t trust them.

    You don’t trust them? Is it your own conspiracy theory? Or superstition?

    So, in other words, you have faith in a system as long as you can deliver your vote to the polls personally. Your wife also doesn’t trust her vote (for the least trustworthy candidate evah) to the civil employees at usps.

    Interesting.

  186. I’ll vote with a 1 ton clothespin on my nose too, as Hillary Clinton might as well be Josef Stalin here. I’m going mainly because I want to help put the screws to the Tulsa Public School Superintendent. 😛

  187. Actually, Assage is not the dissapointment as much as the press is. Had the news media reported the revelations as assiduously as they did during the Watergate scandal, and other misadventures. Hillary would be toast. The reporters not the revelations failed us.

  188. Your wife also doesn’t trust her vote (for the least trustworthy candidate evah) to the civil employees at usps.
    Interesting.

    Nope you made a leap there. I don’t trust mail-in ballots. I wasn’t speaking for my wife.

    I don’t trust them for a few reasons the most obvious of which is lost mail.

    As for my wife’s vote, I won’t entertain a long debate about it. Everyone has to do as their conscience dictates. A vote for Trump becomes less plausible for her every day as he makes a bigger and bigger ass of himself. On top of that, she’s a woman with a daughter. She wants her kid to see the optics of the first female POTUS.

    Funny thing is our daughter doesn’t like Hillary. 😀😀

  189. Scientists are learning more about the so called ice man who died 5500 years ago. He was about 45 and probably had brown eyes. He was in good physical condition and fit. In spite of that, Ice man had serious heart disease, and he had poor teeth. Some would have fallen out had he lived another ten years. He also had Lyme Disease and arthritis. The 63 or so tatoos on his body may have represented an early form of acupuncture to releve the pain in his joints.

    Iceman had a healed head injury from an accident or a fight. He was well- dressed for the climate and carried a kit of medicinal herbs.

    An arrow severed an artery and dropped him on the spot.

    At least 18 of his descendents still live in the area.

    Not much has changed except that we now have better doctors.

  190. As for my wife’s vote, I won’t entertain a long debate about it.

    That’s fine. We won’t tell her you gave it up to us. 😉 Your state most likely goes blue again. Maybe she prefers voting for winners, even though in this case either winner is really a loser and we, the people, the biggest losers of all.

    The fake alien invasion may be planned to interrupt this election, or it could come soon after. We have already seen some of what project blue beam can portray.

  191. Ruminate on the optics bullshit a bit. First black POTUS sucked. First female POTUS is a felon and total scumbag. Two symbols of our nation advancing? I’m thinking two symbols of how f#[%ed up America is.

  192. Alfie, you get zero argument from me on either the race or gender point. That said, I think I give more weight to the pull of history than most of the bar.

    Anyone with any sense of disenfranchisement likes to see a figure head break the perceived barrier. In this case it’s a combo of ones politics and that sense of disenfranchisement. I’m not sure Carly Fiorina would get my wife’s vote but she’d think about it long and hard.

  193. Gender and skin color are not disqualifiers. They shouldn’t be qualifiers either. That’s anti-progress.

    Dems are not making American history, they’re making AMERICA history. Big difference.

  194. Not to get bogged down in the whole sports thing but Jackie Robinson, as safe a negro as Obama any day did more barrier bashing than BHO in my book. Obama wasted it all.

  195. Alfie, your point about Obama and Hillary Rotten is very valid one I have made myself quite frequently.

    What’s the use of breaking the glass ceiling if the building falls down up breaking it? Obama has been objectively the biggest failure in a position of power I have witnessed in my entire lifetime. He’s a joke and the defense of his record is clearly a joke. Jimmy Carter was a far more effective President.

    And everyone in this room and anyone of fair mind already knows Hillary Clinton is corrupt and will be a disaster. She’s an unlikable and more mendacious form of Obama. This country will implode with her as President, as it already teetering.

  196. “A handful of counties in North Carolina, Texas and Nevada have reported isolated problems with machines vote flipping in the last couple weeks.”

    So says Time and NPR. Of course they’re skewing the report so as to discourage anyone from worrying about voter fraud. Except for Russia.

    And I’m sure those particular states are random as well.

  197. Thank you, Ms. Muffy. I really don’t know whether to be terribly concerned, or not. My doctor daughter and I had a nice conversation just a few minutes ago and she was trying to walk the fine line between doctor and daughter – frank as MD with a positive attitude and assurance, and underneath my little girl still worried about her daddy, the latter evident by the call. I know that I am doing what I can about it and that is about all I can do. I told her to more assure her mother everything will be alright.

    I think I have told you guys, the day I become a burden to my wife and children and that day is not here yet, is the day I wish to check out.

    If I was dealt a bad set of heart genes, so be it. I don’t feel I’ve ever abused myself, except perhaps my diet because I do like to eat. I’ve lived a blessed life, found true love, never missed a meal, had two daughters I could not be more proud, got see a grandbaby, a family and extended family that for the most part have loved me and I loved them in return, and surrounded by a few good friends in the greatest country on the planet.

    If I died tonight, I would still feel lucky to have been born and lived the life I did, most of it through no work of my own but those who came before me. Lots of regrets, but far more happy moments than sorrows.

  198. I truly believe you are the last living person to use the word “Japs”

    UAW workers from the 80’s slung it around too. Most of them, though, are at home relaxing with fully funded pensions and healthcare.

  199. Gender and skin color are not disqualifiers. They shouldn’t be qualifiers either. That’s anti-progress.
    Dems are not making American history, they’re making AMERICA history. Big difference.

    I basically agree with you on the first part. There is NO intellectual defense for voting based on race or gender. It’s purely emotional which doesn’t make it right but makes it understandable.

    I think part 2 of your comment is very cleverly stated but a bit overblown. America will survive HRC. Under duress but she will survive.

  200. It doesn’t only fall on HRC but the USA is undeniably and irreversibly diminished on the global stage. Her stated positions can only worsen this.
    Whether we can reinvigorate our selves on a domestic level is not beyond the realm of possibilities but cynicism isn’t misplaced.

  201. Hey Tigre and BiC I fully get an old geezer saying “japs”. Rabbit is, if I recall, the baby of the bar. He is the youngest of us all, mid to late 40’s if I’m right.

    That’s why he cracked me up.

  202. the USA is undeniably and irreversibly diminished on the global stage.

    This was inevitable. The world ain’t what it once was. The whole idea of a superpower is quaint.

    Globalization makes a bitch out of the buyers. We are buyers now. Not producers. That makes us the bitch. No GOP’er or Dem is gonna change that.

  203. Maybe there is a method to Assange’s madness. The leaks are escalating in “hotness”. The latest about Bills enrichment and Chelsea playing family policeman could not be ignored, even by MSNBC.

  204. MSNBC’s Beth Fouhy (phooooey) oughta be fired. She’s on tv deflecting like crazy re Clinton Inc. The best part: it’s not about Hillary. Really? Bill was raking in the dough for BOTH of them.

    Forget about HRC. Her slime ball mofo of a husband is gonna get at least 4 more years in the White House. No matter who wins, this country is a joke.

  205. “MSNBC’s Beth Fouhy (phooooey) oughta be fired. She’s on tv deflecting like crazy re Clinton Inc.”

    Fired? That’s grounds for a raise at MSNBC.

  206. Can someone explain why the “Hillary inevitability” meme is helpful to her? Is that intended to deflate Trump supporters? If so, it seems like it would have the opposite effect. And for those that lean Hillary, why doesn’t the “inevitability” message not lend itself to keeping some that would vote for her home on election day?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  207. Tigre your point is well taken. But the meme ain’t coming from the Clinton campaign. They’ve maintained its close throughout for just the reasons you cite.

    The MSM may accidentally screw her over with this meme.

  208. “I think part 2 of your comment is very cleverly stated but a bit overblown. America will survive HRC. Under duress but she will survive.”

    What does “survive” even mean?

    America is no longer. Might as well change her name too.

  209. That fucking snake Comey’s underlings must have thought those wikileaks emails were the big bomb Rutherford was serving as another nothingburger.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/fbi-probing-new-clinton-emails.html

    R, if you’ve been paying attention to the Wikileaks, is there some doubt in your mind that the Lamestream Media “is” Hillary Clinton? The inevitability message is carried by Hillary’s minions, and if she didn’t want the message the minions would comply. Always.

  210. Looks like HRC’s lesbian lover Huma Abedin may be her undoing. The new emails come from investigation of Huma’s pervy hubby Anthony.

    You have to wonder what prompted Comey to stir the shit 11 days before election.

  211. America is no longer.

    I suggested you went over the top and THAT was your response?

    How much has America changed for you personally? Have your freedoms been taken away? Does the Bill of Rights not still protect you?

    This country is going through a terrible social earthquake but America is still standing.

  212. The conjecture is that they found confidential data on pervy’s cell phone.

    If that’s true, it will confirm one of Trump’s allegations several months ago that sensitive data might have gotten to Wiener.

  213. The other wild thing: HRC campaign uses Trump’s alleged cad behavior against him and then came the Wiener.

    Coincidentally, my wife brought home the Wiener documentary from the library yesterday.

  214. Think about this BiC. Late 90’s Hillary’s life made miserable by a pervert. 2016, Hillary’s life made miserable by a pervert.

    What a pattern.

    The pattern is she started her career getting fired from helping to take down Nixon because she was unethical, and ironically, she did something even MORE unethical than Nixon, thought she got away with it, but still might be taken down.

    I was in the car at lunch, and I had Medved on. He was talking about her appearance today after the story broke, and was complaining that she was rehearsed, robotic, and inauthentic.

    I said aloud “And that’s different from all the other times she speaks because?

  215. Is the Wiener connection from any source other than NYT? If not, I’m calling bullshit. This is ahead of Wikileaks and has to be a self-preservation move. Some are saying it was the investigation of the Wiki/DNC hack.

    R, you were saying there was no biggie in the initial Wiki releases even though the exposed corruption and cover up a million times worse than Watergate.

    Oh well. That scumbag Comey got her past the election.

  216. Damn. It would be the height of irony if Rutherford’s choice of special politician, the Exhibitionist apply named Weiner, now exposed like Rutherford as a hapless pervert, is the very one that finally nails the fat assed shrew’s enormous butt cheeks to the wall. That’s delicious all the way around. 😛

    I’m guessing the level of scum of we are referring to here had so many irons in the fire of denial, the forgot to wipe a server. 😆 😆 😆

  217. We have returned from Omaha and my opthamologist exam. My optic nerve is little changed and neither is my glaucoma. She gave me a high five. She asked who we have voted for, and she gave me another high five. She also asked how Hillary could have a security clearance with her record.

    Wikileaks has some explosive information, but the press is largely ignoring it. The time is right for them to dump even worse information.

  218. Rutherford, “America is no more.” I agree with Muffy.

    A general who was careless with his e mail as Hillary was faces jail. The Bundys who were just aquitted were charged because they were protesting unfair treatment from the government. The IRS mistreated people who disagreed with the government. The Justice Department fostered racism and covered up a failed gun running scheme in Mexico.

    Such sleaze has always been with us but it is now endemic.

    Our lives are not directly affected yet, but parts of Rome survived intact for several hundred years after the capital fell. Some of us are lucky to live in similarly favored enclaves.

    Rome fell, but it lives on as the United States will, but it our country will be different.

    Already, this is not the United States I knew.

  219. “Have your freedoms been taken away? Does the Bill of Rights not still protect you?”

    My Emails, texts, and phone calls are being recorded and stored without a warrant.

    I can be killed by a drone without due process.

    I can be forced to do things that are against my religion (If I had one).

    I can be attacked with political violence by opposition operatives.

    I can be tried and punished by a college kangaroo court, while not allowed legal representation or to face my accuser.

    Do I need to further articulate how our freedoms have been shattered in the last 2 decades (By government in general, not by a specific party)?

  220. Rutherford doesn’t think about how we have had many of our freedoms stripped because he has long made it clear he will willingly give them up.

  221. I don’t know if this changes the direction election because of the time constraints, but I got this gut feeling that assuming these are not duplicates, and I don’t think they would have reopened this investigation without recognizing this is something big. Somebody’s ass is in the ringer this time.

    I think Comey is under such intense pressure from his own guys to come clean this time, I think they’re going to dig a little deeper this go around.

    Obama has already been busted as a liar, as he knew damn well Clinton had a private server.

  222. This won’t change anything. It will drag on past the election, they will find more classified substance being passed around, they will decide there still isn’t any intent to break the law, and they will cite this whole thing was so they could be thorough and transparent and maintain the professional standards of the FBI.

    It’s still all bullshit and that is all its ever going to be as long as the FBI and DOJ are involved.

  223. R, you were saying there was no biggie in the initial Wiki releases even though the exposed corruption and cover up a million times worse than Watergate.

    I was saying and I maintain that until recently there was no sure fire click bait in the leaks. The Clinton Inc stuff this week was the first thing to really heat things up.

    I’m not sure you get the fact Ma and Pa Kettle are not political junkies. Inside baseball stories are not going to resonate.

    So, are you suggesting Huma-gate is a distraction from something far more damning in the Wikileaks?

  224. LOL, Tex thinks I’m a hapless pervert. Without the hapless part, I’d almost take that as a compliment. 😈

    I once thought 🌭was the future of the Democratic Party. What a disappointment.

  225. Without the hapless part, I’d almost take that as a compliment. 😈

    Without the hapless part, I knew you would. 👿

    Huck, I think you’re right about nothing being done as long as Lynch and the Lynchmen are there. But…

    This garbage tonight about reopening an investigation isn’t based on “duplicate emails.” If it is, the FBI has moved from looking inept and corrupt, too flat out stupid. I don’t think Comey would have reopened it, just about the time the heat was passing.

    I think they intend to nail somebody’s ass to save face – perhaps the insufferable Huma.

  226. I don’t have the energy to research the first two items in Tex’s infographic but I’m not buying it. As for Slick, he is not a convicted sex offender as the picture implies. Last but not least, the infographic has a major typo – amateur.

  227. I’ve watched about equal parts Fox and MSNBC tonight and the difference in coverage is absolutely stunning.

    Two different worlds. I’m about to watch Megyn Kelly interview Trey Gowdy. Holy shit.

  228. Gowdy makes a great point. Hillary is asking Comey to divulge more info when she knows that he legally can’t. Thus she LOOKS like she wants transparency all the while knowing it won’t happen.

    Gowdy also observed both Hillary and Huma know damn well what’s on that computer so if they really wanted transparency, they would just tell us what’s on there.

    After all the allegations of Trump being a sex offender, it would be sooo delicious to discover Hillary and Huma were exchanging deviant porn. LOL

  229. I think the president is in potential danger. A Wikileaks e mail shows they knew Obama liked when he learned of this sordid affair in the news.

    We owe Wikileaks our gratitude. Without them our news people and the rest of us would be as ignorant as they were about Obama.

  230. Maybe Comey knew what would happen if he had recommended indictment. The DOJ would charge her with some vague misdemeanor and Obama would commute her sentence or whatever. In any event they would dispatch with the case and effectively put it to rest. After all we’ve seen does anyone think these people will stop at that very scenario? It’s astonishing what the nation has become willing to accept under the leadership of President Obama.

    By not recommending indictment the case kind of lingered there. Not an active investigation but could be reopened at any time. It could have lingered there if and until Trump actually pulled off a major upset.

    That’s what I mean by party-wide corruption. As long as dems are the administration and dems are the media this overall decline will continue. Under a Clinton administration it could accelerate but it wont change direction.

  231. So why reopen the investigation now?

    Because he told us that they were not actively investigating Hillary and that changed.

    I figure Bill let Lynch know in that plane (which they tried very hard to keep from being observed) that Obama would be called as a witness to the fact that everyone knew Hillary had the server including the president. And even then, Comey couldn’t prove intent. In fact it would be made harder by the president’s implied consent to her email proclivities.

    Huma told federal agents that she first learned of the server along with the rest of us. The president told reporters the same thing. It’s not illegal to lie to reporters. But it is a felony to lie to federal agents. So Clinton might not have lied to the feds (“I dont recall”) but proving that Huma did circumvents the need to drag poor innocent (yeah right) Barry into this mess.

    So if Huma lied to the fbi, do we have provable intent?

  232. I don’t have the energy to research the first two items in Tex’s infographic but I’m not buying it.

    Well, it’s true to the degree that both Barry and Michelle “voluntarily” surrendered their licenses. I was not able to find the reasons why in my research afew years back, but as a practitioner, I can tell you that the only reason anyone “voluntarily” surrenders their license to practice is that they are about to be disbarred, and would prefer not to have that following them around. You work too damn hard for that ticket to just walk away.

  233. Comey couldn’t prove intent.

    If you read the applicable statutes closely, intent is not a factor, which is why much better people, General Petreaus for one, have been prosecuted for far less than we know Hillary has done.

    I read an interesting piece earlier this week about how charges could actually extend to Clinton’s “attorneys”, as even though some of them had security clearances, some of the documents weren’t just classified, they were need to know, and they hadn’t been read in, and therefore couldn’t see the documents, yet inexplicably, they were also given immunity and their devices destroyed.

    If there is actually new and damning stuff in these Dickileaks revelations, I’d like to hope all bets are off, and we see a LOT of people frogmarched in front of cameras wearing handcuffs.

  234. “If you read the applicable statutes closely, intent is not a factor, which is why much better people, General Petreaus for one, have been prosecuted for far less than we know Hillary has done.”

    True, but he had to give a reason not to recommend indictment.

    Plus, intent makes it harder for everyone to blithely assist in the cover up, down to the last dem voter.

  235. “I once thought 🌭 was the future of the Democratic Party. What a disappointment.”

    That’s the thing, Rutherford, so did everyone else.

    Because he was. His mistake wasn’t doing what he did. His mistake was getting caught in public.

    The linchpins of the Democratic party have left women to drown in cars, raped women, and engaged in illegal and deviant behavior with underage women. And the party wants to feign outrage over Trump’s private locker room talk about grabbing pussy.

  236. “I figure Bill let Lynch know in that plane (which they tried very hard to keep from being observed) that Obama would be called as a witness to the fact that everyone knew Hillary had the server including the president.”

    That’s probably a pretty good bet. He probably mentioned that he and Hillary know a lot about the president.

  237. General Petreaus for one, have been prosecuted for far less

    I used to think the same thing. Petraeus got in trouble for lying, not the actual security breach. Different kettle of fish.

  238. Per his plea bargain Petraeus WAS NOT PROSECUTED FOR LYING. Although he did indeed lie to investigators and those investigators acted like little bitches about it his prosecution wrested solely on the mishandling of information. Hillary clearly has the same level of violation but King Pussy Comey and his handler Lynch didn’t want that outcome.
    Reality and democrat spin is a truly different kettle of fish.

  239. Per his plea bargain Petraeus WAS NOT PROSECUTED FOR LYING. Although he did indeed lie to investigators and those investigators acted like little bitches about it his prosecution wrested solely on the mishandling of information.

    I went back on the Google to refresh my memory. He plead to a misdemeanor mishandling charge which was charitably accepted by the DoJ when he should have gone to jail for a felony (lying to the FBI which he DID).

    Additionally there was zero ambiguity about the classification of what he shared with his lover/biographer while the HRC case has been bogged down in the minutiae of what was classified what and when.

    As I said, anyone making the two cases equivalent is being simple-minded.

    I’m not saying HRC is not a lying scumbag. I’m just saying the Petraeus comparison is lazy.

  240. “the HRC case has been bogged down in the minutiae of what was classified what and when”

    Which we know through Wikileaks was orchestrated by Team Clinton and State.

  241. “So, are you suggesting Huma-gate is a distraction from something far more damning in the Wikileaks?”

    No. I’m suggesting that you let MSNBC tell you what is important and what is a nothingburger. You ain’t ma and pa kettle and the Wikileaks was damning while you were saying there was not exciting enough for you. Hell, I don’t recall you having anything to say about your hero Obama lying to everyone about what he knew of Hillary’s illegal email.

  242. “As I said, anyone making the two cases equivalent is being simple-minded.”

    Yes. Hillary’s mishandling and destruction of evidence is a million times worse. Anyone denying the parallels is a fucking retard.

  243. The similarities begin and end with the careless handling of sensitive info. The FBI wanted to go after Petraeus for more than that and DoJ let him off the hook.

    I don’t doubt there are better cases to point to that show a double standard in the handling of Hillary’s case. I say Petraeus is not the best one.

  244. Well I’m truly sad to hear that America’s decline has effected so many of you on a personal basis. I was most surprised to see Huck complain of his rights eroding as he tends to be more reasoned.

    I’ll break this down for all of you.

    1) I got laid off and haven’t had long term steady income in 10 years – NOT AMERICA’S FAULT.

    2) My health has declined – NOT AMERICA’S FAULT.

    3) Both of my parents and my best friend have died – NOT AMERICA’S FAULT.

    Those have been the biggest impacts to my personal life over the past dozen years. None of them have a damn thing to do with the Federal government.

    I haven’t been thrown in jail for speaking my mind on Facebook where I’m not anonymous. I haven’t been threatened with death if I don’t follow a particular religion. AND because I don’t LOOK like a black man, I haven’t been pulled over by police for driving a Benz or BMW.

    So, America has been pretty damn good to me. I’m sorry so many of you feel differently.

  245. The erosion of rights for one is an erosion of rights for all.

    I truly feel sorry that you can’t get past your personal circumstance as the barometer regardless of how it affects all.

    Sad really.

  246. BTW, your #1 is a damn lie. You’ve blamed “corporations” and America’s perceived inequities since I’ve been here. Callous capitalism that the feds have failed to curb.

  247. As far as I can tell, we are an occupied nation. It’s like a corporate farm.

    It’s getting a little less free range and they’re clipping wings.

  248. “So, America has been pretty damn good to me. I’m sorry so many of you feel differently.”

    Reading this again, I may have missed the sarcasm. Please tell me I missed sarcasm. If not, I am at a total loss for words at how pitiful that statement is.

    For the record, America, my family, benevolent people that I’ve encountered (including some here in intangible ways) have been pretty damn good to me. I may never be as grateful as I should be. But when it comes to “America” I’d like to continue being pretty damn good to me and to all of the other Americans. So, applying your juvenile logic, the question I have is, “why don’t you?”

  249. The erosion of rights for one is an erosion of rights for all.

    I fully agree with you.

    “First they came for the Tigre’s and I said nothing …”

    So please tell me how they’ve come for you. For YOU, not some news story.

  250. You’ve blamed “corporations” and America’s perceived inequities since I’ve been here.

    Fair point. I’m much more critical of corporations than the Fed.

    When I wrote #1 I was more focused on my failure to find work than I was on the original layoff.

  251. “‘First they came for the Tigre’s and I said nothing …’

    So please tell me how they’ve come for you. For YOU, not some news story.”

    Can you direct me to the comment you are quoting? I don’t recall it.

  252. I may have missed the sarcasm.

    I wasn’t being sarcastic about me but to a degree, yes about you. I’m blown away by a bunch of folks living in relative comfort griping about a lost America.

    There’s a difference between saying you don’t want America to be lost and saying it already is. Muffy said the latter. So I’m probing how all of you have been personally effected by this lost America.

    Ultimately I call bullshit.

    Keith Olbermann said this week the election of Trump will be the last election because he will become dictator. He said it with a straight face. He’s crazy.

    I wouldn’t do it, but I’m tempted to match each Muffy “America is dead” post with a nutty Olbermann rant.

  253. Hey R, do you know why so many of us here demand anonymity while you don’t?

    I don’t think it has a damn thing to do with the Fed. Folks are understandably worried what their employer or clients might see here.

    For the first few years that I tried to stay anonymous it was to protect my family from potential internet nut jobs.

  254. R, if you’re leaving it wide open, I can recall many already described right here. Forced participation in the fucked up Obamacare system as an employer, one that was enacted unconstitutionally in my view and further thrown down the shithole through improper use of executive orders. Do my children and wife count? I’ve given you many in the form of racial preference (admissions/advancement/scholarship), forced articulation of viewpoints they don’t hold in school and suppression of others they do (primarily religious and political). I am critic of the global warming hoax (and gave you some detail in an email) — and have seen a push to actually make those viewpoints illegal — fucking illegal. There are certainly many, many others most of which I wouldn’t share publicly; almost all condoned by you because in reality you don’t believe they affect Y-O-U.

    And so have you. Look at how your candidate was cooked.

    If you’d care to narrow it, I probably could as well. All manner of government forced participation and coercion is so damn broad it’s mighty silly for you to suggest that I am not personally affected.

  255. “I don’t think it has a damn thing to do with the Fed. Folks are understandably worried what their employer or clients might see here.”

    Oh that’s bullshit for me. It’s far broader than that. Hell, you have an IRS that unquestionably persecuted people for their political views coupled with a Fed that snoops on even private communications. It’s what you mindlessly call a nothingburger — and I am confident it’s because you don;t hold those political views.

  256. “There’s a difference between saying you don’t want America to be lost and saying it already is. Muffy said the latter. So I’m probing how all of you have been personally effected by this lost America.”

    What you’re doing is defending Obama because of the degree to which America’s decline is directly attributable to his leadership.

    I said dems are making America history.
    You said that was overblown. America will survive HRC.
    To which I replied America is no longer.

    I was speaking to a future with Hillary Clinton as president. I dont know what would happen under a Trump administration. But I do believe that the road we’re on is a wide path to destruction. Of America.

    You disagree. Am I supposed to care?

  257. Oh, sorry I missed your allusion. I guess that makes me a doofus. 🙄

    As an attorney, I am affected by the enactment and selective enforcement of laws not just based on my client’s conduct but my own as well. Does that count, asshole? There’s an ethics rule put in place that restricts me from uttering something that the usual people might consider “offensive” for the usual reasons that would even include using gender based pronouns in writings and said aloud in court proceedings.

  258. I’ve just seen two folks on Fox say acid was put on Clinton’s computer. BleachBit is SOFTWARE not actual bleach.

    I don’t know what’s worse, Clinton’s “wipe with cloth” comment or folks saying she literally bleached her server. 🙄

  259. R, do you realize that as a component of Obamacare there is a penalty/non allowance in providing healthcare coverage that’s too “rich” (better) than what administrative decisions will permit? Got that. Penalized if I choose to provide more.

  260. I thought “acid wash” was a term of art applied to selective permanent deletion of information.

    But of course the statement is dumb. Bleach is an alkaline. Duh. 🙄

  261. I can recall many already described right here. …

    Ok, you took my challenge and pretty much met it. The government and changing social norms championed by said government have effected you personally.

    So to nail the point down. A lost America implies irreparable harm. Do you believe the country will never again be a place where your kids can express themselves freely due to government encouragement of certain social norms?

  262. “I’m blown away by a bunch of folks living in relative comfort griping about a lost America.”

    I’m blown away that a Harvard educated that considers himself living in relative comfort while passing along $20 trillion in debt for his daughter’s generation to contend with is such a fucking moron.

    Enjoy your comfort. Since it’s always being financed by someone else, who could complain?

    Duh.

  263. You disagree. Am I supposed to care?

    Wasn’t that a wee bit immature? We discuss things here. Whether anyone “cares” what anyone else thinks is kinda irrelevant.

  264. Since it’s always being financed by someone else, who could complain?

    I’m not sure where that came from. I’m not on any sort of public assistance. I don’t qualify for the Obamacare subsidy – only Medicaid which I refuse to collect.

  265. “So to nail the point down. A lost America implies irreparable harm. Do you believe the country will never again be a place where your kids can express themselves freely due to government encouragement of certain social norms?”

    Yes. See Orwell. The suppression of speech is the cornerstone of tyranny. Once freedom of speech is given away, i do not believe it can be recovered short of revolution.

    When you watch Fox to hear what your adversaries are saying, do you ever wonder how perverse a press complicit/uncritical of the government truly is? Unquestioning defenders. Advocates. Cheerleaders. I see it as a sign that we’re fucked. The press should be unbelievably critical of the government across the board or it not only ceases to have any value, it has great power to further tyranny. A word I’m sure you scoff at because it’s one that the right uses and to you always seems hyperbolic and always will until you see yourself being tyrannized.

  266. “I’m not sure where that came from. I’m not on any sort of public assistance. I don’t qualify for the Obamacare subsidy – only Medicaid which I refuse to collect.”

    I’m talking about passing the buck through the government programs and redistribution you support with the facile defense that “I live in relative comfort,” not what you receive, nimrod. Your comfort doesn’t mean shit. You haven’t been sent into combat either. Should someone supporting an unjust war say, “what do you care, you live in relative comfort?”

    Let it all happen. No grounds to gripe if you live “in relative comfort.” 🙄

  267. “We discuss things here. Whether anyone “cares” what anyone else thinks is kinda irrelevant.”

    What I mean is I dont expect you to understand. I don’t care to argue with you. You disagree, I can live with that.

  268. Whoops, I see I got my “affects” and “effects” all cattywampus. Those have always been a bitch for me. Another thing I am thankful for: staff and colleagues that help proof my work.

  269. “Do you believe the country will never again be a place where your kids can express themselves freely due to government encouragement of certain social norms?”

    I see what you did there. So let me ask you, do you believe the country could be a place where your kids can express themselves if their speech is punished because it doesn’t express the thoughts that those in charge do not wish to be expressed?

  270. Two things Tigre:

    I was about to mock your concern about the gov coming after you but then recalled you’ve actually been involved in high visibility cases and you have some degree of fame. I submit ordinary Joe’s like me have little to fear from a government supervised internet.

    Second, one thing that has changed this year (and unnerved me) is my perception of the Press as honest brokers. The liberal media lies and distorts daily. That’s not to say I particularly trust Fox either. The Press has abdicated its role as the fourth estate. But this goes at least as far back as Bush 43 when the Press did not challenge Cheney’s lies.

    P.S. Re Obamacare, it rolled out as a clusterfuck and has gotten worse. Repeal and replace doesn’t bother me so long as “replace” doesn’t mean “nothing”.

  271. So to nail the point down. A lost America implies irreparable harm. Do you believe the country will never again be a place where your kids can express themselves freely due to government encouragement of certain social norms?

    I enjoyed ET’s follow up but want to add mine.

    I know for a fact that my kids are screwed regards expressing themselves. I have had to go to the mat a number of times to literally fight for their rights to hold a position which was either manifested in speech or written assignment and was deemed out of order by the powers to be. As an insanely principled individual this obviously was both a shock and feather in my hat.
    Society testing or moving the boundaries is one thing even if they do so via government sanction. When government picks a side and blindly pursues that goal you’re wearing a black armband because you’re attending the double funeral of democracy and liberty.

  272. “So I’m probing how all of you have been personally effected by this lost America.”

    This is completely altering the goalposts.

    “Have your freedoms been taken away? Does the Bill of Rights not still protect you?”

    You didn’t originally ask how the loss of our freedoms affected us, you asked if we had lost any. I laid out, in a matter of 15 seconds, several that we’ve lost. All of them are obviously irrefutable, as you made no effort to do so.

    “I don’t think it has a damn thing to do with the Fed. Folks are understandably worried what their employer or clients might see here”

    Who said anything about the fed in the context of this discussion? Some of us are employed by state government. Did Muffy say the Fed has ended America? Did she say government has? There is a lot to fear out there by those who have brought about the destruction of our liberties. Even if government isn’t the one taking a freedom, they aren’t always the one protecting it from those who do take it under the guise of some social justice crusade.

    Protecting our liberties is the only fucking job government at any level should have.

    The only part I will say Muffy is off track on is that she blames liberal Democrats, while I blame people’s reactions to fear and anger, and I am not distinguishing between those people. And that’s because I think we’ve been losing our freedoms since well before Obama came along.

    You are viewing this discussion from a significantly limited perspective.

  273. I bet you have no clue what has happened to American universities

    I have a tiny clue. Mostly from what I see here and on Facebook. I also think I’ve been pretty clear here about my disdain for trigger words, safe spaces and restricted speech on college campuses.

  274. I told you the Bundys were found not guilty of conspiracy to take over the Malheur National Refuge. After the trial, Mumford the lawyer made a loud plea that the five be released before their trial in Nevada. There are no charges against them in Oregon.

    The judge said they could be held. Mumford yelled that there were no papers ordering jail and that authorities knew where to find the defendents. Normally, a judge might hold a lawyer making an emotional outburst in contempt, but not this time.

    Six or seven US marshals surrounded Mumford as the judge ordered them to stand back. They took Mumford down and shot a stun gun at him. Then, they arrested him.

    A university law professor said the assault of a lawyer was shocking.

    I have written that I think we are evolving toward fascism, and I am right.

    As Obamacare disintegrates and if Hillary wins it will
    evolve into a Canadian style subsidized single payer system. Some people will die because they hold the wrong political views or other wise anger the regime.

    You are a fool if you think the government won’t eventually use the medical sector to eliminate its enemies.

  275. Protecting our liberties is the only fucking job government at any level should have.

    [standing ovation emoji]

    That’s one thing 2016 has solidified for me politically. I’ve always felt that way but was tolerant to any number of window dressings surrounding,clouding that basic truth. No more and I honestly believe its going to be both a blessing and a curse for me in the real world as well as the e-world.

  276. “Do you believe the country will never again be a place where your kids can express themselves freely due to government encouragement of certain social norms?”

    Do you mean like being able to attend a political rally and not be attacked by a mob that is orchestrated by the opposition?

    Do you mean like being able to adhere to certain religious expressions and not perform a service that goes against it?

    Is that what you mean?

  277. do you believe the country could be a place where your kids can express themselves if their speech is punished because it doesn’t express the thoughts that those in charge do not wish to be expressed?

    I kinda think that’s baked into any power structure. The boss dictates the terms of the relationship right down to what language can be used. Since you’re an attorney I’m sure you know some companies have a social media policy restricting employees speech on the net.

    Wasn’t there stuff you weren’t allowed to say in your own home growing up? Why? Cos parents called the shots.

    Government restricting speech is definitely dangerous. Definitely something we should guard against. Are you aware there is a fear Trump will jail journalists he doesn’t like?

  278. “I have a tiny clue. Mostly from what I see here and on Facebook. I also think I’ve been pretty clear here about my disdain for trigger words, safe spaces and restricted speech on college campuses.”

    Who runs most universities, Rutherford?

  279. Here is how my family was personally impacted by our evolving fascist government. After my great aunt died in 1963, the state of Iowa sued our family and several other land owners for over 600 acres of land they claimed was west of the true channel of the Missouri River.

    My father hired a photographer to prove the state was wrong, and also showed surveyor and tax records. The judge ruled in favor of Iowa and stole the land without even refunding thirty plus years of taxes.

    A lawyer told my father that next time, we should find a crooked lawyer who was a friend of the judge.

  280. “I kinda think that’s baked into any power structure. The boss dictates the terms of the relationship right down to what language can be used.”

    AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    Rutherford, for fuck’s sake, wake the fuck up, man.

    We are supposed to be the bosses in this power structure. Right here you have implicitly admitted that we are not, and in doing so, proven our point better than any of us have.

  281. You are viewing this discussion from a significantly limited perspective.

    That may well be. I was viewing Muffy’s “lost America” as an indictment of government, not broader societal factors.

  282. “The only part I will say Muffy is off track on is that she blames liberal Democrats…”

    It wouldn’t be any fun for me if I didn’t.

  283. Who runs most universities, Rutherford?

    Liberals. 😳😳😳

    Yup and I think the pendulum has swung too far. There is a tricky balance between protecting free speech and discouraging a hostile environment. I think we are failing at that balancing act right now.

  284. FEMA visited our county and told us we would be buying flood insurance of their choosing. We
    would be grandfathered into no insurance if we filled our basement with concrete.

    I argued that we had not had a flood for over fifty years and that the interstate and a 20 foot high railroad trestle acted as dikes. The streams east of and through our land had large dikes and had not flooded us for a half century.

    The FEMA reps argued that no dikes protected us. What acted as dikes were not dikes so they didn’t exist.

    I kept arguing and they didn’t hear the man telling us he was locking the court house. I caused us to be locked in and it took awhile for the FEMA reps to find the one door which remained unlocked, because I wouldn’t tell them where it was. It was my revenge.

    One of the worst floods in our history inundated the land from southern Canada to Missiouri the next year.

    I was in contact with FEMA and the Corps of Engineers. In the end I was able to tell both that I was right and they were wrong. They agreed.

    The FEMA manager said their flood plan was completely wrong and they would have to re- write it before returning to force insurance and investment restrictions on us.

  285. The Iowa DOT closed our important bridge because they thought spending on a better traveled road was more cost effective. They rigged the traffic count to defend their action, and closed the bridge without warning. I had to take a long detour to get home that evening.

    We fought on television and with the government for two two years, and at one point, the country tried to steal some of our land to build a new road through our property as a detour. My wife threatened a law suit, and I explained that I had seen violence in the service and I would see to it that our county would be in the news.

    We fire bombed a long driveway before the county and state agreed to build a new bridge.

    This is certainly more than the federal government’s evolution, and it has directly affected us.

  286. “Oh I forgot to ask. What did I do?”

    Neuter the concept of government enforcement of speech rules with “government encouragement of certain social norms.” That’s why I flipped the question.

    “Encouragement?” It’s coercion through force/rule of law. I’m not talking about a talk show.

    “Government as the boss instead of the governed. Ok you got me on that one.”

    I can’t believe you typed out what you did without a bulb going on. Seriously. You compared the government (and Bill of Rights) to a corporation? Seriously. What the hell have we been talking about here? You made the entire point.

  287. I agree that might be true if the Bundys were black, Rutherford. Soon paid Black Lives Matter crowds would be rioting in Oregon and the Obama Justice Department would be writing guidelines.

  288. “I agree that might be true if the Bundys were black, Rutherford. Soon paid Black Lives Matter crowds would be rioting in Oregon”

    They’d have been rioting after the death of the guy who pulled a gun on cops and lost.

  289. Wanna know something funny? I’ve been watching Fox coverage and it sounds just like Tigre. Hannity in particular saying the Huma laptop is a smokescreen for reopening the case.

    If I watched as much Fox as Tigre watches MSNBC I’d be accusing him of being a mindless parrot too.

    You are forgiven Sir Tigre. 😇

  290. “Hannity in particular saying the Huma laptop is a smokescreen for reopening the case.”

    Yet I never said or even thought that. What are you talking about?

  291. Hillary is being investigated again by the FBI. And the FBI decides it needs to tell us. Kind of. Wow. I get practically no Sprint coverage in the woods and we were hearing bits and pieces of this breaking news.

    Now that I’m caught up, I’m still confused.

    Comey is cringeworthy.

    Either this shit is massive and Comey knows proof is coming that implicates the entire Obama administration (including himself) or he is evil/ negligent.

    Since Comey unconstitutionally legislated “intent” into the law and the AG met with Clinton, most of America with a brain knows Clinton should have been indicted and the entire administration is corrupt. So, it’s not like Comey is a good guy.

    I despise Clinton more than anybody. However, this new role of the FBI calling people out publicly, essentially outside of due process, should scare all of us.

    What the fuck is this court of public opinion shit?

    Wtf is going on????

    He should have never done it July or flapped his gums now. I don’t care if the corrupt Obama administration has him by the balls or not. Or if it helps Trump. It ain’t right.

    The Republic is simply not working correctly under corrupt President Black Skelator.

    ““I kinda think that’s baked into any power structure. The boss dictates the terms of the relationship right down to what language can be used.” – R

    I kind of think you should wheel your rascal off a fucking bridge. Here I am reading about a broken and corrupt government only to read some apartment feline like yourself unapologetically bestowing it with power. Go fucking kill yourself. Not in the mood.

    Freedom….why are millions of Rutherfords hell bent on giving it away?

    It’s unfolding right in front of us. Brave patriots are needed. Who’s got the balls?

  292. Casper Weinburger suffered a surprise before an election and Democrats didn’t complain.

    Comey boxed himself in when he said Hillary could be indicted but was too special for a prosecutor to touch.

    Now that the steady leak of e mails and signs that Hillary was trying to hide the truth combined with Huma’s lie about what she knew left little choice but to investigate further.

    If Comey had investigated secretly, the right would have charged he was influencing the election. Now Democrats are angry instead. Lynch opposed Comey’s action to help Hillary win.

    Comey did it to himself.

    I have already proven my courage. I don’t want to do it again, but I would.

  293. I am not publicaly promising violence. I am promising a Tea Party demonstration as we did before or maybe a sit in on a bridge or city street.

  294. Lynch opposed Comey’s publically telling Congressional leaders he was investigating more e mails.

    Other investigations have been publicized before elections. Lynch has already shown herself to be politically motivated. I am taking liberties with her mind and assuming from her past behavior that she would rather keep the investigation quiet to help Hillary.

  295. An allegory of Hillary’s life including her eventual end whether or not it happens before or after this election. The lies inside with the fire.

  296. This doesn’t add up. Something big is out there. I think there must be something on the Attorney General that he can’t shield. Her corruption was the essential building block to Comey’s illeagal legislation (and his feigned ignorance of evidence of intent once he passed his illeagal law).

  297. I’m going with Nothing Burger™ & distraction. I hope I’m wrong but I find it inconceivable that something now so public is actually capable of being truly damaging to so many very powerful and corrupt people. I just can’t buy into some revelation existing like a two ton elephant in the room that somehow was either missed or believed to be capable of remaining hidden under a tarp. Again I hope I’m wrong.

  298. I see the democrats who don’t believe in voter fraud are out front on the Iowan corn knob arrested for trying to vote for Trump twice.

  299. “I’m going with Nothing Burger™ & distraction.”

    If that is the case, that means Comey has lost his mind or is making an attempt as director of the FBI to sway the election. That, in of itself, is not a nothing burger.

    It would also be very irrational behaivor on his part in light of past behaivor.

    No way, Alphie… Something is going on. I just don’t know what and I believe I have a right to.

  300. Alfie, I’m guessing Comey’s underlings have a found a ton of shit and are at their limits with what he did. Whatever this is might just be the straw. I think it has to be significant though. He wouldn’t have announced the same old same old it if it’s benign IMO. If it implicates Obama the whole move would be to cover that over. The corruption is too deep.

  301. So many happy memories of eight tranquil scandal-free liberty-loving years.

    Remember when the DOJ named Fox chief WA correspondent James Rosen “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator” in a 2010 espionage case against State Department security adviser Stephen Jin-Woo Kim? (WaPo)

    Tapped the phones of some 20 AP reporters. Followed Rosen around, seized his phone and email records. Looking for the leaks.

    That was funny.

  302. Damn. I’d forgotten about those liberal Gestapo tactics of yesteryear.

    Reminds me of the the threat to prosecute the Stanford law professor that did a legal memo on the use of waterboarding.

  303. I also think this reaches to Obama, but Comey’s latest gambit may end with a never mind announcement a few days before the election.

    The Huma e mails may be no more than other copies already seen. However, if the hidden rot is as bad as I think it is and I was in this administration. I would be making plans to drone Comey.

    I still believe that ultimately the Clintons will meet the end implied in the song. It may be as mundane as a fatal disease, but the final chapter will be bad.

  304. Yet I never said or even thought that. What are you talking about?

    Then I guess I still don’t get your point. You said the Huma thing was not as it was being presented. I’ll have to find the quote later. You did clarify it so maybe I didn’t understand your clarification.

    Hannity said there is probably a Wikileak in the pipeline that will make Comey look bad so he’s covering his ass.

  305. and his feigned ignorance of evidence of intent once he passed his illeagal law

    I think you might know what you’re saying here but it’s a bit muddled.

    At least one of the statutes does not require intent. Comey’s ignorance consists of his contention that intent is necessary when it isn’t.

  306. What I’m hearing this morning is

    1) The FBI doesn’t even have a warrant yet to pursue the emails in question. (Their warrant is limited to the Weiner case.)

    2) FBI knew about this shit WEEKS before informing Comey.

  307. Tigre this is your quote which is damn similar to what Hannity said Friday.

    Is the Wiener connection from any source other than NYT? If not, I’m calling bullshit. This is ahead of Wikileaks and has to be a self-preservation move. Some are saying it was the investigation of the Wiki/DNC hack.

  308. I don’t know what Hannity said, but I didn’t say the Weiner investigation was a smoke screen. I called bullshit on the NYT, a propganda arm of the DNC. I also said Comey was ahead of something.

    Now that you’ve changed it, get me to Hannity. This whole thing emerged on the heels of another announcment of Wikileaks to come.

    So we have other sources and Huma in hiding. NYT is no longer the sole source.

    Nice try deflecting from your MSNBC parroting.

  309. Nice try deflecting from your MSNBC parroting.

    WTF are you talking about? You said what you said and now you’re obsessed with my word “smokescreen”. You and Hannity both say Comey is trying to get ahead of a Wikileak.

    I thought I was confused about what point you were making but now I’m not entirely sure you know wtf you meant. 🤔

  310. LOL. That proves I parrot Hannity??? Good Lawdy.

    Sure I wasn’t parroting Gingrich? He agreed.

    The Wikileaks bomb was announced and I’m pretty sure it referenced here before the Wiener/Comey thing. Something like 22,000 emails that were going to prove Hillary is a criminal — otherwise referred to by you as nothingburgers.

    Frankly, I thought it might be a Benghazi thing but have since changed my mind.

    IF the play is for it all to be duplicate emails and therefore solidify Hillary’s denials on the eve of the election that is unbelievable ballsy and, really, more proof of the reach of Clinton corrupution.

  311. “I thought I was confused about what point you were making but now I’m not entirely sure you know wtf you meant.”

    Hey, Dingbat. I don’t watch Hannity so I took your word for it. In fact, I can’t stand Hannity and don’t know how anybody watches him.

    Now, let’s take a look at your disturbing MSNBC viewing habits and history of allegiance to its stupidity. . .

  312. What time does Hannity come on R? I posted at 6:19 p.m. I think he’s got a primetime slot. Maybe like you with MSNBC, he’s parroting me.

    Hmmmm. . . creeeepy. . . .

  313. @R – Re: Hannity. You’re looking for inaccuracy in reporting by partisan pundits. To what end?

    Expensive solution or expensive software? (I’m not going to watch a Hannity clip.)

    There is some controversy surrounding how much the Clinton’s paid Paul Combetta for wiping the server. Reports suggest he charged Clinton $250 an hour including phone calls, and Clinton continues to pay his legal fees, travel expenses, etc.

  314. IF the play is for it all to be duplicate emails and therefore solidify Hillary’s denials

    I think that’s a dumb “play”. Why stir up all the conjecture shit for the sake of saying “wups, it’s all dups” when you could just let sleeping dogs lie?

    For all we know we are overthinking this. Could be a simple case of FBI incompetence.

  315. Now, let’s take a look at your disturbing MSNBC viewing habits and history of allegiance to its stupidity. . .

    The actual point I was making is when one watches the network of the opposing team and notices the similarities of thought to your interlocutors, it’s easy to call the other person a parrot.

    What you’ve failed to grasp for almost ten years now is that partisans don’t sound very original. It doesn’t make them mindless parrots. It just means they think the same way.

    Of course, demeaning someone as a mindless parrot makes you think you’re winning the argument.

  316. Muffy, question for you. I suspect you’ve been a Chicagoland resident longer than I have. Does the Tribune skew left or right? If left, then the article you posted is both surprising and refreshing.

  317. Just saw where Hillarys counter to the email saga update is to bitch about Trump going to an AIDS event and acting lame TWENTY YEARS AGO

  318. Why would Comey being willing to reopen an investigation and piss off his only remaining supporters, if there wasn’t something so damn destructive within about 650,000 emails, history would record Comey himself as criminal for hiding the truth when it was discovered?

    It would be glorious if we finally had the written record to finally nail the Clinton Criminal Enterprise – the virtual DNA of a blue dress would do just fine to have proof those 33,000 emails well documented Hillary Clinton was running a racket ripping off the poor of Haiti and such.

    A bonus 25 years to late to nail her feckless husband too. I would pee myself if they jailed Chelsea Clinton and frogmarched her into the paddy wagon.

  319. So the FBI knew about these Emails weeks ago. But we’re hearing about them now…

    …in a letter from Comey…

    …that he sent before obtaining warrants…

    …and was instructed not to send…

    This won’t be concluded before the election. Hillary will be elected. Shit will be discovered about various people, including Obama, and we will never see any of it. He will cite Executive Privilege and pardon Hillary on his way out.

  320. That is indeed a plausible scenario.

    UNLESS for some fence sitters, this Comey stunt is the last straw and they say “fuck this, I’m staying home”.

    I think Donald has an outside chance of winning this thing.

    I also think Comey just increased the likelihood of a violent reaction to a Hillary win.

  321. Rutherford, did you ever imagine it would end up so pathetically corrupt back in those days when you would gleefully give us an update Everytime Obama spoke? What a scum bag you elected. His legacy is mud.

  322. I was wondering if it came down to it, would Huma sell out Hillary to avoid jail. But then I remembered the pattern thus far…Huma will simply be given immunity by the DoJ in exchange for nothing, which has been the gift to every single person who might be tempted to talk to save their skin. They get immunity, which is supposed to be in exchange for information, and instead it is in exchange for keeping quiet.

    But as I was typing that it occurred to me that Weiner could pose a problem. Huma might not need to roll on Hillary to save her ass, but Weiner might be another story. If he suddenly starts getting immunity then we know the shit is deep.

  323. He should up date his will.

    Wikileaks promises another dump. It could add more problems for Hillary.
    She might become president, but this mud may influence some local elections and weaken her position after her election with more surviving Republicans.

    Trump may win. Then the real fun will begin.

  324. PJ Media reported in 2012 that John McCain and others were concerned about Huma Abedin’s connections with the Muslim Brotherhood. At the time Abedin was directly connected with a major Brotherhood figure who helped fund al Quaida.

    Her parents and her brother also were on good terms with the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Huma was assistant editor of the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs before she worked with Hillary. Her mother is still an editor. This publication also has connections with the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Huma seems to be a patriotic American, but should she have a security clearance with her back ground and associations? Potentially sensitive e mails mysteriously parked in her husband’s computer. Could they have also accidently ended up in her mother’s or other friend’s computers?

    We should have known the answers years ago. If only Huma’s name was Sarah Palin.

  325. Rutherford, did you ever imagine it would end up so pathetically corrupt back in those days when you would gleefully give us an update Everytime Obama spoke? What a scum bag you elected. His legacy is mud.

    This comment for some reason went into moderation and I didn’t see it until today.

    The short answer is no. Regardless of what anyone here thinks of me, I don’t support pols whom I believe are corrupt.

    The admin right now is a clusterfuck. Things are not ending well no matter how much the news media tries to put lipstick on the pig.

    I still can’t deal with Obama’s potential involvement in all this. If I had a son, he’d look like Obama. Maybe that’s my problem? 🙂

  326. No matter what Chaffetz & Ryan running the country come 1/17

    Not sure I agree. Donald will take Chaffetz and Ryan’s direction and claim it as his own. But Hillary is a different story. Think Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction – “I will not be ignored”. Hillary ain’t letting anyone else (but Bill, possibly) run the show.

  327. I hope we are watching the last verse of “The Fire Inside.” Momentum is on Trump’s side, but over twenty million ballots have already been registered.

    Democrats may yet steal this election. Internet media and Wikileaks will not hide the secret for long if they do. A Trump victory will fuel equal resentment from the other side.

    Win or lose, Hillary and probably the rest of us are standing at the gates of Hell.

  328. My conspiratorial side is seeing why the big “inevitability” push may have been on when it comes to early voting — like the voting that occurred before the Comey announcement.

    As an aside, Rutherford, you claiming not to tolerate corruption when it comes to Obama is a laugh riot. You’ve defended every disgraceful bullshit thing he’s done since he was elected. Fuck man.

  329. https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks

    2nd question she gave Hillary. In normal times, this in of itself would be a massive deal. It’s nothing. Everyday we learn some disgusting new fact about the corrupt American cancer that is Democratic Party and the people who support them.

    The way NPR was handling the new FBI investigation this morning was laughable. They breezed through it as if it wasn’t a big deal. I can’t believe I used to defend them in conservative circles. My tax dollars are going to these propagandists?

    If the corrupt ones permanently take hold on the Republic… My conscious would be soooo clean joining the resistance.

    Alas..I don’t have the guts to one day join the brave patriots that will be forced to lay it all on the line. I do know some that might.

  330. Supposedly Weiner had all his Hillary emails in a folder called “Life Insurance”. Sounds like internet skuttlebut. But who knows.

  331. Oh man…the only reason Obama will pardon her will to be to save his own corrupt ass. That’s it.

    A pardon will ensure he is laughed at for decades after he dies.

  332. Little too gleeful there R. I don’t believe EOs will exist in the new administration because an actual budget will be passed as opposed to CRs.

  333. Our traditional news media is so corrupt that I am reduced to occasionally reading Alex Jones for the news.

    A Secret Service employee said Hillary has a neurological condition which could be related to Parkinson’s or a similar disease. Her eye problem may be something like strabismus.

  334. “Pretty obviously bullshit but funny just the same.”

    Ha. Are you kidding me? It’s exactly how this will go down thanks to the surreal B movie your heroes have thrusted upon us all.

  335. I would bet money anyone here at the bar wouldn’t be able to tell the back strap of that doe we got isn’t fancy high priced beef from DC. We’ve been eating like kings here every night. Filets and mushrooms.

    And the tenderloin from the front I would pay 40 bucks a pound for. It was single handedly the best meat I’ve ever had.

    It’s official. I have no more shame in my game. I’ll leave the racks for manly men…us dead rabbits are in for the eating. Doe city.

  336. So the DNC got rid of the woman running the show because she was proven to be completely in the tank for Hillary and replaced her with a woman who is proven to be completely in the tank for Hillary?

  337. I’ve enjoyed venison the times I’ve had it. Gaminess doesn’t bother me since I like lamb and have eaten mutton. I had venison once at a really swanky place and I swear it melted in my mouth,I couldn’t believe how good it was.
    Does deer meat have the protein issue rabbit does? Does deer have its version of the mad cow/crazy elk thing that was scaring hunters a number of years ago? I honestly don’t know since I don’t hunt. Ironically I used to fish a lot but can’t process fish oil so I catch & release.
    On a more comical note I can’t help picture viking like men in Michigan with grog and deer meat and Tigers caps and Red Wing jerseys,enjoy it man.

  338. We’re only seeing proof through Emails that Hillary was fed questions in the primary debates.

    At this point I see no reason not to assume she was fed questions in ALL of the debates. These things are run by the press, and they have proven they cannot be trusted in this matter.

  339. Little too gleeful there R.

    Nah, I’m just being a wise ass. I think you underestimate the degree to which Hillary will try to power-play. She will be there FOR power. What makes you think it will be any different from the Obama years? 4 more years of stalemate.

  340. So the DNC got rid of the woman running the show because she was proven to be completely in the tank for Hillary and replaced her with a woman who is proven to be completely in the tank for Hillary?

    Besides Tulsi Gabbard, they weren’t gonna find a replacement that wasn’t in the tank for Hillary. Tulsi resigned from her DNC post in disgust.

  341. I just finished the documentary “Weiner”. I recommend that anyone who wants to bathe in their lib-hate, give it a watch. It’s cringe worthy. Huma is an odd chick. Anthony has a bigger problem with narcissism than perversion.

  342. MSNBC is now counter spinning that the FBI is looking into the Russian connections of Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign manager.

    The next 8 days will be the ugliest in political history with muck and counter muck.

  343. I will not be voting for him but next Tuesday I will toss my patriotism in the toilet and root like hell for him for no other reason than to see the reaction of Crooked Hillary and the smug media talking heads. They desperately need a comeuppance.

  344. It’s gotten so rotten in Moscow on the Potomac, I force myself to get on the internet out of morbid curiosity to see what bombs have dropped.

    The American Media is so worthless and stilted, I honestly think they’ve been more damaged in this election cycle than anyone else.

    And I don’t care what they find on Muslim Daughterhood’s computer. Hillary Rotten Clinton will be investigated for the remainder of her days and never suffer a judicial scratch. The DOJ under Obama is so corrupt, it’s comical.

  345. Rabbit. I will try the tenderloins sometime.

    Alfie, so called wasting disease was a problem in the Nebraska pan handle and parts of Wyoming five or ten years ago. Authorities warned hunters to be careful of how they handled meat and to be sure they had no open scratches on their hands. The hunters were also advised to avoid deer with any sign of illness or eratic behavior.

  346. LOL. The liberals are trying to spin Hillary’s criminality as a conspiracy among the FBI, GOP and KGB. You guys are so lame.

  347. “Our traditional news media is so corrupt that I am reduced to occasionally reading Alex Jones for the news.”

    Jones doesn’t do news. He does opinion.

    I would caution you about relying on pundits (or editorial pages) for news.

  348. The jurors in the Oregon case are idiots. Just had to get that off my chest after reading the opinions of juror #4. The conspiracy charge was the right charge.

  349. Someone in Utah is doing robocalls saying McMullin is gay. I don’t know who the guys working for, Clinton or Trump.

    If McMullin wins Utah, he could throw a tight race into the House of Representatives. Would they choose McMullin or Trump?

  350. “Nooooo. Jones does fantasy. That’s beyond opinion.”

    Opinion isn’t news. That’s the point.

    And Russia is the new racism, speaking of fantasy.

  351. And Russia is the new racism, speaking of fantasy.

    I could not agree with you more. I’m so tired of hearing about Russia, I want to tear my hair out.

    It would serve Trump well to focus a bit on FOIA releases to neuter the Russia distraction.

  352. “It would serve Trump well to focus a bit on FOIA releases to neuter the Russia distraction.”

    All trump would need to do to neuter the Russia distraction is pound the reset button, the “flexibility after the election” hot mic, and “the 1980s called”. Point out that Russia is in the positions it is in because of Obama’s failed policies, and then connect Hillary to those policies. Forget about mentioning Syria and Ukraine. Go after things that are indefensible. Then force her to take the position “Obama is not running for president”, which then opens her to have to answer if she was against those things. Pit her against her most influential ally–the sitting president.

    Realistically, he should have been doing this long ago. With a week to go it’s really too late for message strategy.

  353. I’m frankly shocked, and it makes it apparent to me that Trump ain’t all that smart, that he hasn’t beaten Rotten Clinton over the head with that massive red button fiasco. Of all the criminal activity and dangerous screwups, this is far and away the biggest of the numerous Clinton disasters!!!!

    I mean the ball was sitting on the tee for Trump and he can’t even dribble it to 3rd base.

    For crying out loud TRUMP! This tool reset Russia to the USSR and you’re not smart enough to throw that in her face when she calls you a puppet?

  354. “Outside of people like us, nobody would care.”

    While that is true in the beginning, it would have served as a foundation to build up to diffuse the Russia shit we’re seeing today.

    And that’s assuming anyone truly cares about that, which I’m not sure about. I think most of this garbage just serves as talking points for members of the various tribes to parrot. Nobody outside of us political junkies gives a fuck about issues and messaging. People don’t talk about this stuff because they care about it, they talk about it because it gives them something to talk about.

    Because if they cared, there’s been reason to care for years, and Obama never would have been re-elected.

  355. As if trump was a serious candidate, you mean? As if he was actually a clinton rival, right? As if he wasn’t intentionally working her on the easy side, it that it? As if she doesn’t have as much dirt on him as he has on her, amirite?

    If it is on the teevee it’s fake scripted bullshit. The population can’t get enough fake scripted bullshit. We are programmed for fake scripted bullshit. Bullshit in, bullshit out. It makes us feel a part of the heap…

  356. I voted for mostly republicans in my state. There are some independents and democrats that I included. I’m more interested in the legal marijuana passing.

    Unfortunately the gal I voted for Senate isn’t an authorized write in. I so wish mccain loses.

  357. “Why aren’t congressional Republicans helping?”

    Because Trump is a gamble. Not supporting him, while not opposing him, might not matter to getting re-elected, but openly supporting him could.

    Which leads to…

    “Republicans have no guts.”

    That was made clear after the GOP took Congress this time. Their attempt to “show they can govern” ended up being, time and again, nothing more than outmaneuvered by the minority party. I can’t think of a single thing they did that they were sent there to do.

  358. The Russia stuff I think speaks to two broad points.
    #1 Trump really is a dunce surrounded by people who are either equally stupid or are ignored by the narcissistic twit.
    #2 Coming to a computer near you… cybersecurity in the national defense context is going to go hard. It is probably a field we should be more advanced in but now I fear it being aimed more at regular folks.
    All the other Russian neo-soviet chirping is really hyperdrive garbage. The Black Sea bases suck for the Ukrainians but the Black Sea Fleet has always been a joke. A treaty keeps other countries out and if the BSF wants to enter the Med offensively? Make my day says every NATO planner evah! The task force that went to Syria? It happened because it was allowed to. Russian aggression is a distraction from our domestic ills and China.

  359. I mean the ball was sitting on the tee for Trump and he can’t even dribble it to 3rd base.

    Was that a Tex original? That’s one of the best mixed metaphors I’ve seen in some time. 😂😂

  360. “Why Republicans arent raising hell over the cheating and fomenting violence is beyond me.”

    Because they weren’t against anyone they care about. The GOPE doesn’t care if a bunch of Trump supporters get their asses kicked in the street. Trump supporters are anti-establishment, almost by definition. The party establishment cares nothing for them.

    The GOP has already conceded this election. At this point it’s every congressman for himself.

  361. From what I’m seeing the Comey stunt is giving down ballot Republicans a life line. The heats on Hillary and they can actually agree with Trump on the stump on this one with zero risk of alienating anyone.

    As for Dems fomenting violence, sorry there are NO angels in this clusterfuck. Both sides are on their worst behavior.

    It looks like HRC won’t even try to sell a positive agenda over the next 7 days. It’s gonna be “bad Trump” 24/7. I think that’s a big mistake.

  362. “As for Dems fomenting violence, sorry there are NO angels in this clusterfuck. Both sides are on their worst behavior.”

    I find statement that rather horrifying.

  363. “Because they weren’t against anyone they care about. The GOPE doesn’t care if a bunch of Trump supporters get their asses kicked in the street. Trump supporters are anti-establishment, almost by definition. The party establishment cares nothing for them.”

    I guess the better question then is why isnt the FBI investigating and the DOJ all over it?

    Do those weasels take an oath?

  364. “As for Dems fomenting violence, sorry there are NO angels in this clusterfuck. Both sides are on their worst behavior.”

    The Dems get caught red handed and all Rutherford can say is “they do it too”.

    That’s how the Israelis and Palestinians or the Bloods and the Crips respond.

    “They do it too”. That’s also how the libs at work have been responding to all of this. Nihilistic apathy.

    The soft civil war has commenced folks. Pick a side or get out of the way.

  365. Oh. i see. R, is saying it doesn’t matter because the other side does shit.

    Makes sense. Everybody calm down. There was Nixon, so whatever Hillary does is something to be tolerated. You know, there are no angels. 🙄

  366. I have picked a side in this soft civil war.

    Two Des Moines police officers were ambushed and shot last night. My guess based on the past is that the perps would be more likely to vote for Obama or Hillary than Trump.

    Both sides do bad things, but progressives seem to produce more dead bodies.

  367. Was that a Tex original? That’s one of the best mixed metaphors I’ve seen in some time.

    🙂 In this case, I was not thinking about the tee box but “tee ball,” as in hitting it out of the park.

  368. “Both sides do bad things, but progressives seem to produce more dead bodies.”

    The logic of tolerating corruption and abhorrent behavior requires the “yeah but your side” response. That’s why we’re having to listen to the stupid “Russia is behind it” bullshit rather than an explanation for what is going on with the emails and leaks. It works especially well with libs and teenagers:

    Mom: I found this bag of marijuana in your room, what do you say for yourself.

    Daughter: Why were you in my room? I’m not going to answer to this. You had no business going through my things.

    And. . . .Hillary.

  369. Well, the deed is done. I voted for Duckworth for the Senate, Bill Foster for the House, some Libertarian for a local office and …

    NO VOTE CAST for President of the United States. Hardest (non)choice I’ve ever made.

  370. The corruption of the Obama administration is unraveling before our eyes. And no Rutherford, this isn’t ho hum business as usual.

    Heads have to roll.

  371. The Dems get caught red handed and all Rutherford can say is “they do it too”.

    Unfortunately that’s the answer you get when you suggest all we have is a Dem problem.

    I repeat. Until EVERYONE is willing to own their shit and fix it, things are not going to improve.

  372. You know, there are no angels.

    You’re an idiot. When you start saying “we’ve got a problem” instead of “you’ve got a problem” you’ll get a different reaction.

  373. The left has been caught in the act – cheating the debates, fomenting violence at Trump rallies – we can all see the damage a one-party no-core political elitist jocksniffing majority can do to a country.

  374. Muffy, the sheer magnitude of the corruption almost works in their favor. Where does one start?

    Never forget Rutherford’s response to it all: Deflecting. Alluding to guesswork about the GOP. “They’re bad too”.

    I mean we have so much proof in so many different directions and he thinks it vanilla because “they all do it”. This is exactly the response I’m getting from the libs at work. Now that is scaring the shit out of me.

  375. Shut the fuck up, man.

    Yes, a propensity for corruption practically defines humanity.

    What a petulant child you are.

    Fucking Colonel Mustard is caught in the library with the candle stick and moron R suddenly cares about original sin.

  376. You know what, you spineless coward, if government is so prone to be corrupt, (I agree) why don’t you write your next blog on how it needs to be shrunk by 50%.

    What compartmentalization you are capable of, scum.

  377. You can call all the names you want. Some of you lately have gone off the deep end with this Dems are scum meme. I’m no happier with the shit I’ve seen than you are. I had to witness DWS put the finger on the scale against Bernie. Then I had to witness Bernie fold like a chump.

    Now I have to watch Obama lecture me about being a sexist.

    This political season has not been a cakewalk for me so take your outrage and shove it up your ass.

  378. It is entertaining to me at this point. None of the Above. I guess we voted the same in the end, Rutherford. The federal government has showed it’s collective asses and wieners as being irrelevant in regard to anything that really matters beyond their media/hollywood lives. I give them as little significance as they deserve. None of it is fireproof.

  379. I got some serious vegetables coming in. We had a mess of green beans the other night that were delicious and the squash very yummy. Plants are kicking ass. New crop of snow peas and lettuce and at least a dozen tomato plants. We have been enjoying okra for a couple months, but the plants are just about done. More jalapenos and chiles than we can consume, but the kids are happy to help.

    My business is getting busier right now. Life is good. 🙂

  380. This political season has not been a cakewalk for me so take your outrage and shove it up your ass.

    😆 😆 😆 Man, whatever happened to Hope & Change. Remember when Obama was going to be the most transparent man in all of history? ** Guffaw ** That filthy SOB has been lying since his ass hit the seat.

    The DOJ is utterly corrupt. Holder was corrupt and run off – Lynch is worse. 😆 😆 😆 This is beyond TV. This for real, Rutherford. I understand why it’s been tough on you. Because this is personal now.

  381. Rutherford, one question. Give me a visible Dimocrat right now that is honest and forthright. Not one of us everyday deplorable types. I mean a high level politician. Honest question.

  382. Dem operatives organize efforts to draw blood, succeed repeatedly, and brag about it – and you dismiss it with a shrug and some bullshit about no angels. And then you whine about this election not being a cakewalk for you.

    Poor you. Nobody understands what you’re going through.

  383. “Some of you lately have gone off the deep end with this Dems are scum meme.”

    Memes? I get to lift a rock and look at new scummy centipedes every day. These ain’t memes.

  384. It is starting to come out that CNN is who fed Dirty Donna the questions, after all. Some reporter did some actual legwork and talked to the people who asked the questions. They all said they never spoke to Brazille. They all did say they spoke to….

    …a producer for CNN.

    “This political season has not been a cakewalk for me”

    The last 8 months for you have been the last 8 years for us. Let that sink in a while, bud. Almost a decade of this shit. So it’s not our ass we’ll be shoving things up.

    Just sayin’

  385. @ rabbit I had one of those conversations at work today myself. Dem only had one reply over and over…”well Trump does the same thing”. This was primarily in context of the Clinton Foundation influence and money laundering thing. Bitch just kept babbling.
    Same dem numbnut who I torched for being against one of the ballot questions. The one lifting the cap on charter schools in the crappy communities. I called the person a bigot and thanked them for making sure inner city kids in failing schools can give up.
    I was furious.

  386. Hillary isn’t even asked about cheating in the debates. Isn’t even fucking asked. The media is in on the cheating! State Dept and DOJ so corrupt and on the taxpayers money.

    It boggles the mind.

  387. Blow me. Bernie was sick of hearing about all of this email business. You tolerate and defend the shit. Which one of these scandals/exposure weren’t pointed out to you a long, long time ago on this very blog.

    Yes We Can!

  388. Rutherford just now realizing dems are scummy is so satisfying.

    R passes denial and slides into the second stage, anger. Next up, bargaining.

  389. Rutherford which party do you think is more likely to receive a comeuppance from their base?
    I personally think the GOP is and that speaks to your “your problem our problem ” thing.
    Give me a reason to believe the democrats are even having a moment of introspection and I’ll back you. I don’t see it.

  390. Well, I lived long enough to see the Chicago Cubs win the World Series. Wonder if I’ll be around in 2124 to witness the next one?

    Good thing the Charlatan Obama is a White Sox fan. 😈

  391. Bittersweet night tonight. My Dad didn’t live to see his favorite team win the World Series. The last time they won (1908), he wasn’t yet born.

    Celebrating on his behalf with a tear in my eye. 😪

  392. Clinton foundation in deep shit too. 5 foreign agencies hacked into Hillary’s server. The one she wiped, like with a cloth. Obama’s DOJ working in concert with the corrupt Clintons to thwart investigation. Immunity deals for everyone.

    Heck of a job Obamie.

    Oh well, no one’s an angel. Let’s Fuggetaboutit. It’s just they way things are.

    4 more years, you basket of deplorable maggots.

  393. R, which facet of the embedded corruption that we all told you was there comes as the biggest surprise to you? With all of that integrity in the dems, you must have really been caught off balance. I’m guessing it’s the proof of Trump’s collusion with the Russians to fabricate all of this.

  394. I think Tammy Duckworth is a double amputee veteran who the party recruited to put a more conservative face to Democrats to trick voters into forsaking their more conservative representatives. The Blue Dog Democrats proved to be more trouble than they were worth to liberals.

  395. This is not “my” problem. It is “your” problem because you were too ignorant and blind to understand what was happening. Now you know when it is too late.

    I bleated about voting for Trump to give myself moral standing to send snarky messages when you or anyone else complains about what I did not cause. You, not I will own the aftermath.

    It is our problem because “you” made it so. I did what I could and failed. It is your responsibility, not mine to fix it.

  396. Clinton people have their own associations with Russians. Obama has proven himself and we as weaklings in Russian eyes.The Russian people have a long brutal history, which gives them a mentality not unlike the attitudes and values of our pioneer ancestors.

    Pajama boys and girls who are so sensitive they need safe spaces from where to express their totalitarian tendencies don’t stand a chance against the average Russian.

    Russians’ national inferiority feeling dating back to the mockery western European royalty enhances their need to prove themselves.

    Compare the attitude here with pajama boy, Obama, Kerry, or Hillary.

  397. …you know, I am sick and tired of the negative, dark, divisive, dangerous vision and behavior of people who support Donald Trump,” – Another Candidate With Full Support of The DNC

    Oh well. R “covered his ass” and no one’s an angel here.

  398. Following the runaway train of loose associaition, please see my take on Rutherford through this video. You’ve got to wait for it. He answers the obvious question at the end — much in the same way Rutherford answers for his vehement prior defense of the shitstorm which has just hit land:

  399. Congratulations to Hillary for breaking the glass ceiling being the first presidential candidate to be investigated by two separate divisions of the FBI at the same time.

  400. Aww, Hell.

    I just stopped by this morning to see if I should have been triggered or whined about “cultural appropriation” by Beyonce’s appearance on the CMAs last night.

    The fact that she brought the Chixie Dicks with her? Yeah, I was watching the faces of the audience when they saw who was performing with her, and they all said “Who the hell let THEM in?”

  401. ACE: “it’s possible that the president’s emails, written under an alias to Hillary’s illegal email address, will be revealed, if they can be 1, found on the Weiner/Abedin computer and 2, leaked before the Justice Department can destroy them.”

    A Wikileaks bombshell like that might explain Comey The Snake’s reopening.

  402. Anybody taking bets on Obama’s direct involvement in the email scandal? The say 18 emails have been recovere so far.

  403. Give me a visible Dimocrat right now that is honest and forthright.

    There’s a reason why that’s a tough question right now. All Dems have lined up behind Hillary. Right off the bat, that compromises their integrity. I used to like Claire McCaskel a lot. Now I can barely listen to her. I liked Amy Klobichar but now it’s hard to watch her too. And don’t get me started on Bernie Fucking Sanders. Where a handful of Republicans (Jeb, Kasich) have had the courage to publicly repudiate Trump, the same can’t be said on the Dem side.

    I think Tim Kaine is honest. Not sure about forthright.

  404. Ha Ha! First, I think Obama is involved too.

    A teacher friend and her husband exchange visits with German relatives. One does a lot of business in Russia. He says they are nice people but not if you cross them.

    Many have more money than they have had in their lives and are generous to their friends and families. Even so, one should stay away from many parts of Moscow without being with a friendly Russian.

    The video was to illustrate that point, and my mood, not for musical enjoyment.

    Whatever happens, remember we had Steely Dan.

  405. Democrats aren’t doing jack shit because they are afraid of the Clinton machine. I am confident that is why none of them had any serious balls to run against her in the primary. Hillary would have lost to any serious contender and I doubt such people didn’t enter the ring just because it was Hillary’s turn.

  406. We already know Obama was in on it. Motherfucker emailing using a handle and lying about it.

    Rutherford doesn’t quite get it yet, but Americans will still be talking about the corruption of the first black president a century from now.

  407. “Americans will still be talking about the corruption of the first black president a century from now.”

    And probably blaming those nasty Republicans for it all. After all, he needed to be sneaky because of all the racists who wanted him to fail.

  408. Give me a reason to believe the democrats are even having a moment of introspection and I’ll back you. I don’t see it.

    Dems show an incredible arrogance. You know the GOP autopsy? Dems would never do that. The fundamental assumption of being a Democrat is that we always take the moral high ground. So no autopsy ever needed.

    In the meantime GOP writes an autopsy they can’t possibly turn into action. How can they warm up to Hispanics when Hispanics identify with illegals? How can they warm up to women when so many are pro-choice? How can they attract blacks when blacks hear dog whistles around “law and order”?

    A new party is desperately needed.

  409. While Trump goes low Obama goes high by calling Dems sexist.

    Kellyanne Conway has been making a very effective argument that “when they go low, we go high” is a crock of shit.

  410. After all, he needed to be sneaky because of all the racists who wanted him to fail.

    You do realize that’s a variation on the Hillary theme. She had to be sneaky because of the vast right wing conspiracy.

  411. “You do realize that’s a variation on the Hillary theme. She had to be sneaky because of the vast right wing conspiracy.”

    Wouldn’t that be admitting wrongdoing and intent to do so?

  412. All I can say is this is one weird assemblage.

    First Muffy posts a cryptic music video. Then James posts Moscow Never Sleeps with an animal playing the piano (catchy tune) and then we get NO TAGS from Tigre which relates to me how?

  413. “Can you ghost write it so in 20 years you can go on tv and tell everyone what an asshole I am?”

    I gotta wait 20 years to state the obvious?

    Schadenfreude.

    This shit is bad, Rutherford. Really, really, really bad. Hold on to your ass cheeks. You’re part of why it is so bad. Time for introspection.

  414. “NO TAGS from Tigre which relates to me how?”

    I said wait ’till the end. Did you? He was asked why didn’t just change his tags rather than go through all the trouble. You can take it from there.

  415. R, for real, you need to take stock. The “there are no angels” bullshit ain’t gonna make it right. Again, this is really, really, really bad. And predictable. Metaphorically speaking, time for your big boy pants.

  416. Rutherford, if we weren’t weird we would have long since stopped wasting our time on blogs and lived normal lives.

    When I wrote “circling the wagons” I included much of the press, educational and entertainment industries which have become almost indistinguishable from the Democratic party.

    No doubt fear motivates many of them.

    Woodward and Bernstein have left the building.

  417. I mainly interact with the blog through an iOS app so sometimes I miss the weird ass pictures and vids you guys post. I need to view this thing in a browser more often.

  418. Bev Harris was a guest on Coast To Coast early this morning. She says Trump is right and the media is wrong. This election can be rigged.

    All American voting machines record votes as whole numbers. However, closer examination shows many are counted as fractions. All of the votes go to a central computer at the end of the day. “You wait for all of these votes to come to you, and then you have your way with them.”

    “The way to combat this widespread systematic fraud is to make pubic request for ballot images which are taken at many polling places. Go in with a memory stick the day after the election” and request the images. If they won’t provide the images, document and complain.

    Project Veritas recorded two Democrats discussing how they had been rigging elections for the last fifty years.

    Harris said the press is misguided not to discuss this potential problem. In my opinion, they know what they are doing.

    Again, this came from bottom feeding, Infowars.

    I like Pink Floyd.

  419. Random shots:
    Pink Floyd is overly complicated and distant.
    I don’t understand the lack of uniformity in voting hardware. I prefer paper ballots and individual counting machines that are not networked.
    I am ok with POTUS for 2 terms, House 2-3 terms Senate 2 terms but I want the 17th repealed.
    Journalism and public integrity are dead.

  420. I like Pink Floyd, too. Not sure about that sleepless in Russia video. 😛

    This is more my style lately. I actually attended this one with mrs poolman.

  421. I love Alfie’s random shots.

    Pink Floyd is overly complicated and distant.

    Could never warm up to Pink Floyd. I think Alfie may have identified the problem.

    Journalism and public integrity are dead.

    Correct on both points.

  422. Rigged voting booths is the argument for pathetic losers.

    Whoever wins next Tuesday wins fair and square. I’m NOT talking about media bias or other voting influences. I’m talking about the actual voting process.

    If Hillary loses none of you will scream “rigged voting booths”. If she wins, some of you will … and I will ignore your silly ass.

  423. “If Hillary loses none of you will scream “rigged voting booths”. If she wins, some of you will … and I will ignore your silly ass.” -Sheikh Rube

    Hey everybody. Sheikh Rube has issued a fatwa. We may not question or investigate voter fraud. Sheikh Rube says it doesn’t matter that the entire DNC has been proven to be as corrupt as they are desperate… we may not question any evidence of voter fraud.

    Sheikh Rube of course relied on the Hadith of MSNBC to formulate his fatwa: Trump should have kissed the ring finger of Hillary and agree that no matter what crimes Hillary and her criminal supporters pull off on election day, Trump will spread his ass cheeks like Bernie did.

  424. While Rutherford hopes we put our pitchforks down and accept the election with a blind fold and a hand shake, anyone with a brain realizes our corruption issue is very serious. Nothing can be left off the table when it is apparent the Justice Department is trying get a criminal elected and not incarcerated. They are capable of anything! Anything! Stay thirst….Ieam vigilant my friends!

  425. I want to play Devil’s Advocate as it were on the topic of voter fraud and the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Election.
    1] I find the likelihood of an organized digital attack to be highly unlikely,in less polite terms I’m going with Ain’t fucking happening.
    2] That machines in significant numbers have been or are about to be rigged on hardware level at the local level… This one makes a better and believable story but I don’t know if I buy it. You’d be talking a level of conspiracy that would need to be pandemic in nature. I will say if something was to go down it would be at this level.
    3] That the election is won or lost secondary to “lost” data phenomenon does’t necessarily mean it happened secondary to nefarious people and malicious deeds.
    4] #3 has an important angle to it in that the numbers of absolute dog shit machines still left in service even though everyone connected to them know they are dog shit is sick. Michigan for example is in the same boat as NC,LA and I think NJ for refusing to pass budgets that attempted to fund replacements.
    5] Last but by no means least neither major party is without blood on their hands regard “rigging” the vote. Whether its lazy union cops (D) not kicking campaigners out to the perimeter of voting sites or folks purposefully attempting to disenfranchise citizens (R) with sleight of hand legislation in a couple of crucial states people need to get angry.

  426. In #5 I offer two points illustrating some realities. I don’t offer them as equals anymore than I deny (R) & (D)’s being guilty of both and everything in between across the nation.

  427. I assume more so Trump supporters but I don’t care…
    After this year,given the information & analysis of potential threats ANY TAX PAYER WHO REFUSES TO FUND THE PURCHASE OF BETTER EQUIPMENT (optical-scan paper back up machines) HAS NO FOUNDATION FOR COMPLAINING

  428. We have always had voter fraud. One of the most famous election thieves was Landslide Lyndon Johnson.

    The fraud would center on local districts, not the entire nation. A few well- placed local alterations could win a close election. The best defense is a wide margin between winner and loser.

  429. Good grief, Sheikh Rutherford Rube (that was great, by the way). What more needs to be advertised that the Dimocratic Party is corrupt top to bottom? The KGB? ** Guffaw ** Hell, the guy leaking the news demonstrating how corrupt your party is, has yet to be refuted once. And he has said numerous times, it ain’t the KGB.

    Cheating at the voting booth should be the least of your concerns about who you’re tied at the hip with. I don’t think they’re above cheating anywhere, much less when counting the ballots.

  430. Rutherford doesn’t know shit from shinola. Repeating MSNBC and DNC talking points. The same DNC that fucked his candidate through all manner of dishonest bullshit.

    I think righing the equipment is nearly impossible. But it’s not impossible.

    What is impossible is Rutherford knowing a fucking thing about it instead of repeating his corrupt liberal thought leaders.

  431. What is impossible is Rutherford knowing a fucking thing about it instead of repeating his corrupt liberal thought leaders.

    Like you know shit. This is the dumbest argument ever attempted on this blog.

    If you think elections are stolen then

    STOP VOTING!!!

    What are you, a moron? Why are you participating in a process void of any integrity? Is this like buying a lotto ticket for you?

    I swear you and Rabbit are like dumb and dumber.

    But truth is you’re not so dumb. Just drama queen partisan shit stirrers. How do I know this? If Trump wins – not one peep out of either of you regarding fraud.

    The two of you are so full of shit the smell wafts clear across the country. 💩💩💩

  432. That TMOT believes trump will really ‘drain the swamp’ is a bit disheartening. I do agree with him this will be a seriously changed nation starting next week.

  433. Time to retire the amnesiac drama queen zinger. The only thing we have not called correctly is that Dems have proven themselves to be much worse than we ever imagined.

  434. Yeah Muffy. It’s pretty funny. If there is one word he should probably retire, it is “drama queen”.

    America is a civil crisis we haven’t seen in our life time. And while we all said Obama would be bad, this is worse than most of us thought.

    Only Tex explicitly called this direction wee in.

    And the Obama administration put us in it.

    Rutherford, can you even grasp the lasting damage that we already taken on?

    I was at the bowling alley today for my kid’s season football party. Rutherford, there was nothing but talk of Constitutional crisis and civil war in there. And the people involved in this conversation were not partisan jerks or political junkies.

  435. “Like you know shit. This is the dumbest argument ever attempted on this blog.”

    Oh shut the fuck up. You’re the one claiming to be an expert and wagging your finger claiming people said things they didn’t say. I never said I was sure of anything, you did because you’re trying to play expert by repeating your MSNBC.

    Here’s a reminder:

    “Rigged voting booths is the argument for pathetic losers.

    Whoever wins next Tuesday wins fair and square. I’m NOT talking about media bias or other voting influences. I’m talking about the actual voting process.

    If Hillary loses none of you will scream “rigged voting booths”. If she wins, some of you will … and I will ignore your silly ass.”

    Now what are you accusing me of saying Drama Queen?

  436. If Hillary loses and ballot tampering is the cause, I won’t complain. It is hypocritical of me but the country we knew is dying, and Hillary and her allies are the major cause.

    I once did much worse than steal votes so I would live. Cheering Hillary’s electorial misadventures is pretty minor.

    I also won’t make empty accusations about imaginary voting fraud. My complaints, if any will be as based on fact as the events I described in Benghazi.

  437. Rabbit’s latest lecture moved the goal post.

    I was VERY specific about what silly ass shit I will ignore on Tuesday. It wasn’t gov corruption. It wasn’t Dem corruption. It wasn’t Loretta Lynch out of control. It wasn’t a whole host of legit concerns.

    It was VERY specifically voter fraud at the polls. That’s an argument I won’t entertain because it’s plain stupid.

    I’ll say it again. If you believe your ballot will be altered, lost (deliberately) or otherwise tampered with, you’re a fool to vote in the first place. You either believe in the integrity of an American election, regardless of who wins, or you don’t. If you don’t, then don’t vote. But if you participate all the while complaining you’re being robbed then you’re a fool.

    For the folks who have trouble reading, I repeat, I’m NOT talking about media bias. I’m not talking about debates being scheduled in competition with football games. The media is trying to get Hillary elected. Period, end of story. That’s NOT what I’m talking about.

    P.S. Where Bernie is concerned, motherfucker got robbed via DNC and media shenanigans BEFORE voting took place. After that shit went down he lost. But it wasn’t dead folks voting or tampered voting machines.

  438. I would like to know what kind of nincompoop nation holds a referendum vote and THEN finds out that nothing can be done without approval of Parliament?

    Is Great Britain really ready to tell its citizens to shove Brexit up their ass? Oops, your vote didn’t matter.

    Now THATS a voting fuckup worth discussion.

  439. Rutherford the Brexit complications are a desperate grasp at straws although it fits nicely with the anti-democracy powers.
    Ultimately a referendum under UK law+ Royal Prerogative + EU rule Article 50= the vote should be honoured.

  440. Yes R, we see you were very specific in misrepresenting what was said to satiate your faux MSNBC outrage. 😱

    Thanks for all of that insight. We’re always in need of a good straw man, particularly when you name it after one of the regulars. You must be exhausted. Time to collapse onto the feinting couch, Marquis de Drama.

  441. I agree with Alfie.

    I also expect both sides here to grasp at other straws as lawyers attempt to discredit the results of our election.

  442. Gotta love how the connections to Russian influence are all related to the Clintons auctioning off influence to them as the highest bidder.

    We must fear Trump’s hand in exposing all of this through his position within the KGB.

  443. Thank GOD for all of that obama transparency. Becauseof that tireless watchdog, we can now trust the integrity and legitimacy of the feds.

  444. Because of that tireless watchdog, we can now trust the integrity and legitimacy of the feds.

    You realize that libs have their hair on fire over the FBI? Libs have their own mistrust in the Fed.

    Wednesday will not go well regardless of what happens Tuesday.

  445. You do realize that libs generally don’t care about corruption or anything else other than winning an election. The corruption is disgusting and it goes right to your hero’s computer screen. And look at what your MSNBC ass is bellyaching about.

    So why don’t they move to Canada?

  446. I love that intelligence sources are predicting terror attacks. Since it has been established that intelligence sources made them terrorists to begin with, they certainly ought to know when, where, and how they will use them. Like we should trust anything from the snews and their ‘intelligence sources” 😆

  447. “You realize that libs have their hair on fire over the FBI? Libs have their own mistrust in the Fed.”

    Still chuckling about this.

    I was reminded that the etymology of the word fascist is “stronger together.”

    You fuckers own this.

  448. Funny that you’re complaining about collusion when the only proven collusion is shown in written communications released through Wikileaks.

    Olbermann’s only point is that Hillary should’ve been indicted in July.

    Liberals are idiots. Upset because the corruption they are willing to accept has to be addressed before the election.

    So. . . MSNBC morons deflect with the stupid “rigged election” and the yet-to-be-proven Russia – Trump connection trumps the already-proven Russia – Hillary connection.

    You guys are too much.

    Seriously, did that incoherent Olbermann rant actually appeal to you? If that speaks to you, you’re operating one cylinder. You guys are working to elect a criminal. If that’s the defense, it’s time to turn off the teevee and go outdoors. That was really, really stupid.