Extreme Vetting – Why I am Endorsing No One this Year

Republican nominee, Donald Trump has famously called for “extreme vetting” of new immigrants and refugees coming to America. It occurs to me that the time has come for extreme vetting of nominees for the office of President of the United States.

We are told by the media that presidential candidates take great pains to vet their VP nominee. Chris Christie’s background was so toxic in 2012 that Mitt Romney passed  him over for VP. (Christie returned the favor by spending most of his GOP convention speech talking about himself.) But who vets the top of the ticket? How would that vetting work?

The Constitution restricts the presidency on only age and citizenship. My guess is the founders wanted the office open to any patriotic American (white men in the late 18th century and any damn fool today). Should prior political experience be a requirement? Four of our presidents got elected with no prior political experience. Based on their service, no definitive causality can be constructed between political experience and success. Zachary Taylor was mediocre and the second elected Whig in a row to die in office. Ulysses S. Grant’s reputation has improved after many years of historical perspective but he’s still not ranked among our best. Herbert Hoover is associated with the worst financial crisis ever suffered by our country. Dwight D. Eisenhower presided over America’s post World War boom and the birth of suburbia. Grant and Eisenhower prove you can have a decent to excellent presidency without prior political experience.

Should some moral test be applied? This is wrought with peril as morality is a shifting target. Trump’s lewd comments caught on tape were uttered 11 years ago in an America increasingly sexualized, prior to the onslaught of the political correctness movement. I am not justifying his behavior but our reaction to it is tempered by the times we are living in. Consider this. Donald Trump boasted about the ability to grab a woman’s “pussy” if he wanted to. Back in the late 1990’s, President Bill Clinton actually inserted a cigar into Monica Lewinsky’s vagina before putting it in his own mouth. Lewinsky was his employee. It was the definition of workplace harassment.  Liberals with their hair on fire right now do not move me one iota. It’s the height of hypocrisy.

It appears that in the past, the primary voters did the vetting and did a decent job of it. In 2012, Herman Cain was a laughing-stock. He rose in the polls for a millisecond and then deservedly slipped back down before leaving the race in scandal. But something strange happened this year. Reince Priebus, GOP Chairman, probably thought Donald entering the race would do no harm and bring a bit of publicity to the party before Jeb Bush was nominated. Things didn’t work out that way. An ignorant electorate conditioned by American Idol, had a massive brain fart and Donald J. Trump, reality star, became the party’s nominee.

Things were only marginally better on the Democrat party side. A woman who has been chased by scandal after scandal, who endangered national security in her one and only Federal appointment (if you don’t count “HillaryCare”), who betrayed the fundamentals of feminism by attacking the victims of her husband’s predatory behavior, who betrayed the progressive agenda with her cozying up to Wall Street (revealed this past Friday but overshadowed by Trump’s pussy scandal), is the chosen nominee of the party. A vote for her is a vote for four years of guaranteed Nixonian paranoia and shenanigans. A vote for Hillary also gives her husband Bill a partial third term in the oval office. The man who once told America “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky” while he was using her vagina as a humidor.

So neither gets my vote. For several weeks I toyed with voting for Gary Johnson. Unfortunately, Gary has proven to be a nincompoop. My principle in this election has been to not vote for the lesser of two evils. I want to vote for someone I can believe in. I’m not voting FOR someone as a vote AGAINST someone else.

So I have settled on a decision I first considered several months ago. I am boycotting the 2016 presidential election on the grounds that every candidate being offered is unfit to hold the office of President of the United States. I will vote down-ticket only. I will let the rest of America deal with the pile of shit they brought upon us in the presidential primary season. I will hope that in 2020, some form of extreme vetting saves us from our current predicament.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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602 thoughts on “Extreme Vetting – Why I am Endorsing No One this Year

  1. From the prior thread:

    Olbermann is getting older. Not wiser. Whittle bill with a left lean. Irrelevant.

    I’ve already acknowledged Olbermann is the left Whittle but that’s beside the point. A third of surveyed Trump supporters advocate for building a wall down the entire east coast to keep out Muslims. The dumb fucks never heard of airplanes.

    We are circling the drain.

  2. Herbert Hoover is associated with the worst financial crisis ever suffered by our country.

    Although HH had no elected experience he ran the food board and post WWI adjustment schemes. Fucking guy was a policy genius who is unduly held responsible for the Great Depression.

  3. I honestly hope whoever is elected is almost immediately assassinated. I’m NOT KIDDING.
    As for 2020 I think some lessons will be learned. I am biased in believing the most lessons will be learned by the GOP. I shudder at the thought that Cruz may shed his skin and try again with a revival of the evangelicals. A group I hold highly responsible for the shit pool we sit in today btw. I hope Ryan or some other policy Wonk gives it a go. Chaffetz would be interesting as well. Perhaps a Ryan Rubio ticket with a slogan of “Don’t we all deserve a break…” (R&R is the punchline fyi)
    The Libertarians hopefully will cross the threshold so as to be automatic ballot party material. Perhaps with that they can shake off the stoners, anarchists, Larouches and assorted douches and present an actual platform that appeals to the centrist independent majority of this country.
    The Democrats will actually need to do something special too. By 2020 their icons will be dead,Sanders,Clinton,Warren etc. WTF do they do? Harris out of CA? I will move to Canada if that happens!
    Extreme vetting is a good idea and with that I’d ask R to actually vett the Duck before voting. Kirk isn’t the worse thing for IL or DC.

  4. Obama wasn’t vetted at all and there’s no vetty excuse for the hildebeast.

    The media is choosing the next president. If people are stupid enough to let that happen they deserve her.

  5. I learned while writing a college term paper on Hoover that he did propose some changes to help ease the Depression economy, but Democrats blocked his suggestions to make him look worse for the next election.

    I would pull the trigger if I thought it would do any good and if a Heavenly messenger told me I wouldn’t be going to Hell.

    I like Brandon, Man. as a possible refuge, but the reality is it is harder to get into Canada and to stay than it looks.

    Yes, I am getting dizzy as we circle the drain.

  6. “The media is choosing the next president. If people are stupid enough to let that happen they deserve her.”

    It did and they were the last time.

  7. “I will hope that in 2020, some form of extreme vetting saves us from our current predicament.”

    It’s too late to wish for some vetting of our presidential candidates.

    “Things were only marginally better on the Democrat party side.”

    I don’t regard that mess as “better.” The Dem voter is the pussy that the Dem pol grabs. Because they can.

    The Democrat party is and has always been on the wrong side of every issue, every fight, every civil war. The presidential election belongs to the Democrats and this is the world they asked for.

    The trajectory simply stays the same. Meet the new mob boss, same as the old mob boss.

    “I will let the rest of America deal with the pile of shit they brought upon us in the presidential primary season.”

    I’m going to guess that it’s probably amnesia making you say that, since you don’t really drink.

  8. Muffy, you cannot deny that the right shares some responsibility in where this is headed.

    Only a moron like Donald Trump could lose an election against a terrible candidate like Hillary Clinton. Shit, the DNC had to rig it in her favor just so she could beat a used up old Communist.

    The left might be responsible for the reasons people found Trump an attractive candidate, but those people are ultimately responsible for their own actions. The left owns Hillary, but the right most certainly owns Trump.

  9. Segments of right and left certainly own the choices they have inflicted on us. They support the proposition of our stupidity in enlarging the voting franchise. No one without a rudimentary knowledge of our political and economic system combined with understanding names and issues should vote.

    That will never happen, but at least I can ghoulishly feel satisfaction over the deaths through crime and poverty of people too stupid and ignorant to understand cause and effect.

    “If people are stupid enough to let that happen, they deserve her.” They do. We here don’t.

    There will be no vetting worthy of the name in 2020.

  10. “Muffy, you cannot deny that the right shares some responsibility in where this is headed.”

    What if I decide to boycott the election? Do I skate then?

    “The left owns Hillary, but the right most certainly owns Trump.”

    I can live with that. I own a profane asshole who hates people who hate Americans. A big dummy who singlehandedly depantsed the MSM daily, who arrogantly went against the dismal tide and his equally arrogant friends in Hollywood, and who talked like Snoop (but who oddly never drank or doped.) A vulgarian who made the reptilian skin of the soulless academia elites crawl and forced the powerful D vote manufacturing machine to round up record numbers and bankroll riot after riot after riot. Soros had to pay bigly for this.

    And the left owns Hillary. And the left owns Obama. You (or anyone) can be kind about the corruption he’s injected into the judicial system from the top down but I don’t have to be. Hillary walks in his tracks.

    “Only a moron like Donald Trump could lose an election against a terrible candidate like Hillary Clinton.”

    I get that. But then I’m not so sure.

  11. “As for 2020 I think some lessons will be learned. I am biased in believing the most lessons will be learned by the GOP. I shudder at the thought that Cruz may shed his skin and try again with a revival of the evangelicals. A group I hold highly responsible for the shit pool we sit in today btw. I hope Ryan or some other policy Wonk gives it a go. Chaffetz would be interesting as well. Perhaps a Ryan Rubio ticket with a slogan of “Don’t we all deserve a break…” (R&R is the punchline fyi).”

    What I can’t figure out is toward which way you think you’re biased.

    And frankly the evangelicals were going to be blamed anyhow, right? That crap started as soon as Obama shed his little tear when he learned that Lincoln was wrong – you CAN fool all the people all the time.

    And that Lincoln was WAY off when he said “My dream is of a place and a time where America will once again be seen as the last best hope of earth.”

    But he was right as rain when he said “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

  12. Extreme vetting is a good idea and with that I’d ask R to actually vett the Duck before voting. Kirk isn’t the worse thing for IL or DC.

    I don’t recall the details but the current ad against Duckworth was compelling. I need to dig further.

  13. I’m going to guess that it’s probably amnesia making you say that, since you don’t really drink.

    First, thanks for acknowledging my status as a teetotaler. 😊

    Are you referring to my support of Sanders? Please elaborate.

  14. Good for you. I know you might loathe to vote for an R but trust me on two points. #1 It absolutely sucks to reside in a state of zero political relevance. #2 If you don’t want HRC you really don’t want her with one of the houses of Congress.

  15. @ Muffy I guess I consider myself biased and or jaded about Evangelicals and assorted other “conservative” elements.
    The evangelicals and assorted other “conservative” elements had the audacity to question the faith,integrity and abilities of Mitt Romney. They questioned his credentials and chose in no small number to hold out from supporting Romney/Ryan. Again no small number of those folks a mere four years later embrace Donald Trump.?!
    If that’s not a WTF moment I don’t know what is.

  16. I can live with that. I own a profane asshole who hates people who hate Americans…

    If catharsis is all you’re looking for in your vote, Muffy, then have at it.

    You’re projecting. Donald doesn’t hate people who hate Americans. Donald loves himself. Period. Stop. Nothing more to say. This is an ego ride.

  17. “I can live with that. I own a….”

    Yes, Trump is certainly all of that. And unelectable against even Hillary Clinton.

    Feel free to own that part, too. You can’t own Trump as a candidate and not own Hillary as a president. The latter is the causal result of the former.

    “You (or anyone) can be kind about the corruption he’s injected into the judicial system from the top down but I don’t have to be.”

    Go ahead and employ your vast comment research skills and point to a single comment in 8 years where I have done so. I can assure you you’ll come up short.

    You (and others) act like there was only ever 1 choice and that if we didn’t and don’t pull for Trump all the way then by default we supported the last 8 years of Obama and all the ones to follow. Trump was not an inevitability. There were other options. I know you know that because you voiced support for some of them.

    I don’t know why some of you here insist on still playing cheerleader for this failure.

  18. The media is as much responsible for Donald’s rise as Hillary’s. The media are whores. Clicks, eyeballs and ad revenue is their bottom line, patriotism be damned.

    The same CNN outraged over the Machado affair called her “expanding Miss Universe” back in the day.

    The Billy Bush who’s crying now was the low class fuck who egged Donald on.

    This election amounts to underbelly 24/7. No heroes.

    Oh and the same media that slept through the lead up to the Iraq war is now suddenly looking for the truth about Trump.

    Canada is looking better every day.

  19. “The evangelicals and assorted other “conservative” elements had the audacity to question the faith,integrity and abilities of Mitt Romney. They questioned his credentials and chose in no small number to hold out from supporting Romney/Ryan. Again no small number of those folks a mere four years later embrace Donald Trump.?!

    This is news to me. I thought the religious crowd (when you say evangelicals you are referring to religious I presume) turned out for Romney and it had been the independents who stayed home.

    I never heard anyone attack Mitt’s faith credentials except for Harry Reid and Rutherford (Lawson more in a “how come you Christians don’t hate Romney the Mormon” kind of way).

    I’m really quite mystified as to where you’re coming from on this.

  20. “You (or anyone) can be kind about the corruption he’s injected into the judicial system from the top down but I don’t have to be.”

    When did Trump give you the impression he was going to be different in that area? Seriously, I have not taken from him that he was going to be much different from Obama in terms of overuse of executive power, which was 1 of several reasons I was never on board.

    I have made it clear here for many, many months that I wasn’t going to support anyone who didn’t at least give lip service to walking back Obama’s precedences and reducing the current power of the executive.

    What about Trump, a powerful business executive, makes you think he would have done so?

  21. We are circling the drain.

    Some of us have been pointing that out for a long time. The natural inclination is to swim against the flow. However, the current will soon wear you down. Here is where surfers have the advantage.

  22. “Yes, Trump is certainly all of that. And unelectable against even Hillary Clinton.

    Feel free to own that part, too. You can’t own Trump as a candidate and not own Hillary as a president. The latter is the causal result of the former.”

    That’s an interesting take. I don’t follow.

    “Go ahead and employ your vast comment research skills and point to a single comment in 8 years where I have done so. I can assure you you’ll come up short.”

    You’re right I don’t know why I addressed that to you except that you’re very forgiving of Obama voters and that bugs me. Maybe that’s not even true – I do tend to lump you and Alfie together as I see you both in a similar light.

    “You (and others) act like there was only ever 1 choice and that if we didn’t and don’t pull for Trump all the way then by default we supported the last 8 years of Obama and all the ones to follow. Trump was not an inevitability. There were other options. I know you know that because you voiced support for some of them.”

    Now you’re the one being unfair. I’ve never said anything of the kind. I never judge any of you for not voting for Trump.

    Trump was not an inevitability and for me it was not until he won the nomination that I conceded to vote for him.

    “I don’t know why some of you here insist on still playing cheerleader for this failure.”

    Well I’m just not all that offended by him. That hardly seems to rise to the level of cheerleading.

  23. OK Huck you brought it up again so I guess I really stuck my foot in it. I’m sorry I said that. It was unfair of me.

    “When did Trump give you the impression he was going to be different in that area? Seriously, I have not taken from him that he was going to be much different from Obama in terms of overuse of executive power, which was 1 of several reasons I was never on board.

    I have made it clear here for many, many months that I wasn’t going to support anyone who didn’t at least give lip service to walking back Obama’s precedences and reducing the current power of the executive.

    What about Trump, a powerful business executive, makes you think he would have done so?”

    The only truth I know about the Trump voter is that I think they think Trump is just someone they hope is a bigger bully. Me? Yea, sometimes.

  24. “You’re projecting. Donald doesn’t hate people who hate Americans. Donald loves himself. Period. Stop. Nothing more to say. This is an ego ride.

    You’re wrong. Not about Trump loving himself, but about all the rest.

    Trump hates people who hates Americans and Trump really really hates Obama.

    And Obama loves people who hate Americans and Obama really really hates Trump.

  25. Trump’s a bully alright. He bullies women and children and anyone else he feels is beneath him, which makes for a majority of deplorables. It will cost everyone, for he never pays out of his own pocket, regardless of what he says. Everyone hangs on what he says and neglects to look at what he’s done and with and to whom.

  26. “If you don’t want HRC you really don’t want her with one of the houses of Congress.”

    @Alfie – what makes you think Rutherford doesn’t want this?

    @Rutherford – do you want this?

  27. The message to America is this: You will have whomever we decide you will have. And you will still believe you are free and that you have choice. Furthermore, you will blame yourselves for your dilemma. And, though your selected leader has been decided years in advance, we will still perform the election ritual for you to continue to reinforce in you that illusion of choice.

    Everything is available to us in a gazillion ways from sunday except politics. The names and outer appearances may be unique, but the inside parts are all the same.

  28. “…the evangelicals. A group I hold highly responsible for the shit pool we sit in today btw.”

    I’m seeing Trump is getting 78% of the evangelical vote. Same as Romney.

    I don’t get it.

  29. Huck, what makes any of us (other than maybe James) more responsible for Trump than you are? “Covering your ass?” If so, then I call and raise you a “your responsible for Hillary.”

  30. From prior thread: “Huck, I took Pence not appearing as a sign of solidarity, not distancing. Am I wrong?”

    So was it a protest against Trump’s comments? Enquiring minds want to know.

  31. “When did Trump give you the impression he was going to be different in that area?” [re: executive overreach].

    I’ve been thinking about this and I just assumed that the party wouldn’t let Trump do whatever he wanted like the Dems let Obama do. Not one of them is brushing Obama back nor are they going against Hillary. They SELL Obama’s shit sandwiches as long as they don’t have to eat out here with the rest of the animals.

  32. “The media is as much responsible for Donald’s rise as Hillary’s. ”

    We arent talking about anyone’s rise.

  33. I supported and argued in favor of Marco Rubio at our caucus, but Trump won. I didn’t support Trump until he beat most of his competitors.

    I will vote for Trump, and if he should win or lose badly enough to take the Republicans down with him, I in a small way will own the result. My conscious is clear. He is the only viable choice against Hillary, and Hillary has the potential to further harm our country. Someone else owns Hillary. My conscious is clear.

    I feel as I did when desperation drove me to plan and mentally rehearse killing before the event. I felt as though my life was over in one way or another. It was like deciding to kill myself. I was at peace. I am also at peace with my decisions now.

  34. William the Bastard, the last Viking, defeated his distant cousin and took over England as William the Conqueror. Loosely speaking the Republican primary was like the Battle of Stamford Bridge, and the election will be the Battle of Hastings.

    Harold’s defeated followers likely blamed each other for their unfortunate circumstances. So will Republicans or Democrats if they lose.

  35. Like the poster says, if American Women are so horrified at the language of Donald Trump in a private conversation, who the hell bought 80M copies of Shades of Grey?

  36. Alfie, I generally find you pretty civil and reasonable.

    Simple question. If it was Evangelicals that cost Mitt Romney the election, why did Oklahoma have almost as high a voter percentage for Mitt Romney as Utah?

    It was pretty much that way throughout the entire Bible Belt.

    If there’s a “religious” group that deserves blame for Obama, wouldn’t the Catholic vote be more to blame? I think your opinions are formulated on what you hear from your feckless NE Media. In this case, you really couldn’t be more wrong.

  37. We arent talking about anyone’s rise.

    We? Speak for yourself. I was responding to the comment that the media has assisted Hillary in her rise. Sometimes I forget to quote what I’m responding to. I’ll try to be more careful.

  38. A group I hold highly responsible for the shit pool we sit in today btw.

    AND

    The evangelicals and assorted other “conservative” elements had the audacity to question the faith,integrity and abilities of Mitt Romney. They questioned his credentials and chose in no small number to hold out from supporting Romney/Ryan. Again no small number of those folks a mere four years later embrace Donald Trump.?!
    If that’s not a WTF moment I don’t know what is.

    In my head these two comments are stand alone elements even if there is one common thread.
    That said I want to touch on the turnout number first. I’ve also seen and believe more the number of 73%. 5 points might not seem like a big deal but I do believe it important.
    I firmly believe in the tracking that the Evangelical Voter- EV element is given a disproportionate level of respect. I appreciate that a quarter of your base is nothing to totally disrespect but there are ways to move them other than the common ways folks prescribe which in fact hurt my side in more powerful ways. In catering to the EV in 2008 and 2012 the Republican Party alienated the center. The Center is not to be confused with Independents which Romney actually won in 2012 by like 5%.
    By catering to the EV the GOP will continue to lose Presidential elections for the foreseeable future. Ted Cruz disagrees but will be taught a lesson again in 2020 if he so chooses to come to school.
    Another way the EV damaged Romney was with such jewels as preachers calling his faith a cult (Jeffrees)[sp]. The primary dance with Santorum and a lesser degree Gingrich set a stage that made faith issues a negative for Romney/Ryan and a plus for Obama.

    As for Trump pulling 73-78% I question two things. First the integrity of the polling and to which degree that number can be broken down. Romney secured something like 62% pure Evangelical “strongly supported the candidate”. The remainder consisted folks that supported w/ reservations and disliked others.
    Hence my WTF query. Is EV support for Trump in the same numbers under the same categories? If so I think they are not worth the time of day and that their faith is dogshit. If not,and I personally imagine it isn’t, then why should the GOP view EV as a single issue monolith like the (D)s view blacks?

    If anyone is still reading @ Tex the Catholics don’t vote their faith anymore than Americans should’ve feared the Pope pulling JFKs strings.

  39. @ Rutherford…let me go with the simple summary version. Catering to EV is what costs you a Presidential Election.
    They are the only group (other than blacks) that consistently require something. The other religious elements actually think about other issues/policy planks in a candidate. I would say the Catholic vote differential from 08-12 shows that for example.

  40. Catering to EV is what costs you a Presidential Election.

    I don’t dispute that at all. As you said in a prior comment, catering to the EV crowd alienates the center.

    But that’s a far cry from saying the EV crowd abandoned Mitt, which is how I interpreted your original comment.

  41. It is still not clear to me whether:

    1) Pence was told not to join Ryan at rally (by Ryan).
    2) Pence declined to come in DEFENSE of Trump.
    3) Pence declined to come in condemnation of Trump.

    Has anyone nailed this down?

  42. I haven’t noticed anyone here blame the usual scapegoat for Trump. BARACK OBAMA.

    I think in addition to an ignorant electorate, and the media, Obama is clearly to blame. Not all Trump supporters are racist. But all racists are Trump supporters. This is a direct overcorrection for having that negro in the WH for 8 years.

  43. You are right, Rutherford. Much of the ultimate blame goes to Obama and the ignorant voters who put him into office. That includes you, Poolman, and denizens of the fat grannies if they still exist.

    You were probably being sarcastic, but you are wrong about Obama’s skin pigment. “Having that negro in the White House” offends me. His race has nothing to do with it except for his historic significance. I realize some racists believe what you wrote but I don’t.

    I mentioned the battle for England for a reason. This blog is doing what people do with a defeat and it is doing what the losers at Hastings did. They would be better served had they sat around and muttered “shut up and deal.” Failure is an orphan.

  44. James, my comment wasn’t directed at you or anyone else here. I am 99% sure NONE of you truly support Trump. You are all protest-voting against Hillary.

    That said, I’m guessing the percentage of racists in this country matches the percent of blacks and they have been stewing for 8 years. Trump is their voice.

  45. Sven Forkbeard, one of the Norse kings of England would have put Trump and the Clintons to shame. His second wife was Sigrid the Haughty. We have a modern day Hillary The Haughty.

  46. @Alfie. Thanks for the response. Just a few thoughts I’ll toss back to you.

    “In catering to the EV in 2008 and 2012 the Republican Party alienated the center.”

    In researching your comments yesterday I saw Jeffries remarks. Still I’d be surprised if many evangelicals based or withheld their support for Romney on what Jeffries said. I’ll wager more cringed than nodded. Not that they don’t agree, but that it was said.

    Non-Evs is another story. I think the rest of the populace of both parties find evangelicals so odious that they didn’t and don’t want to to coalesce.

    But isn’t the alienated “center” ultimately responsible for their own actions (or inaction)?

    I go back to this (from Huck earlier in the thread) –

    “The left might be responsible for the reasons people found Trump an attractive candidate, but those people are ultimately responsible for their own actions.”

    Granted, blaming the left entirely for Trump is deficient. But blaming Romney voters in large part for Romney’s loss seems like we’re using a different standard for the terminally uncool. And it doesn’t seem like you to do that, so I hope you’ll pardon the intrigue with your comments.

    I also have no way to know whether or not you’re using the terms evangelical and Christian interchangeably. Most Christians I know allow for others to work out their own salvation. On the other hand I have known non-denominational Christians to take pretty hard line stances against religion.

    Anyway, it seems incongruous to me to blame people who voted for Romney for his loss. But thanks again for the explanation. I actually drew a slightly different inference, more along the lines of what I said about the stigma factor.

    None of this requires further explanation though. I got it.

  47. “I can live with that. I own a profane asshole who hates people who hate Americans. A big dummy who singlehandedly depantsed the MSM daily, who arrogantly went against the dismal tide and his equally arrogant friends in Hollywood, and who talked like Snoop (but who oddly never drank or doped.) A vulgarian who made the reptilian skin of the soulless academia elites crawl and forced the powerful D vote manufacturing machine to round up record numbers and bankroll riot after riot after riot. Soros had to pay bigly for this.”

    Exactly. Trump was needed and, at the very least, paved the way for a new era of leaders not afraid to take on the evil and vile leftist machine on their own terms.

    The rock has been lifted in a way that has never been before. The centipedes and maggots scurrying from truth can never pretend they aren’t bugs.

    Trump is just the beginning, maggots. In a decade or so, if the corrupt left doesn’t change it’s ways, I can now imagine an army of rank and file Americans willing to water the tree of liberty with prog blood.

    I always thought the notion was impossible when Tex brought it up. Not anymore.

    Keep this up Tammany Hall, and ultimately we will have the natural right to fuck you people up.

  48. “But all racists are Trump supporters.”

    You mean white racists? Non-white racists are uniformly committed to Hillary.

  49. “We arent talking about anyone’s rise.”

    “We? Speak for yourself. I was responding to the comment that the media has assisted Hillary in her rise. Sometimes I forget to quote what I’m responding to. I’ll try to be more careful.”

    Sorry. To which comment that the media has assisted Hillary in her rise were you responding?

  50. I hate the non-intuitiveness of quotes. I should just be able to hit reply and have my comment repeat the quote but not itself become nested halfway up the thread. Oh bother.

  51. I wonder if Bobby DeNiro every wanted to punch Bill in the face.

    After all, Colin Powell was right about him still dicking bimbos at home. Let’s move him back into the WH hey Bobby? I see ya.

  52. Oh bother.

    I feel your pain. I think this depends on the client being used. My replies used to get inserted, nested, up the thread but I think WP client on iPhone changed it and now they end up at the bottom where I want them.

  53. The media is choosing the next president. If people are stupid enough to let that happen they deserve her.

    Muffy I was responding to this comment. I inferred that the media choosing the next POTUS was equivalent to saying the media is helping Hillary’s rise.

    To which I replied the media has helped Trump too … at least during primary season.

  54. “To which I replied the media has helped Trump too … at least during primary season.”

    The media didn’t mean to help Trump. The media thought Trump could help the media. Very different from the political cohesion between team Hillary and team media. With Trump, instead of a ratings villian they created a ratings anti-hero that they never saw coming.

    Not even pussy-grab-gate could stop the Trump train. Call me crazy, but I’m not writing him off yet as the next POTUS. This roller coaster isn’t over yet.

  55. If one good thing comes from this election, this is it. Trump is right. Self righteous hypocrites.

  56. That includes you, Poolman,

    My 08 vote for the man was overridden by my state.
    My state voted john ‘songbird’ mccain, your overridden selection.

  57. The media didn’t mean to help Trump. The media thought Trump could help the media.

    They are made for each other. A regular exploitation celebration for the tabloid culture.

  58. @ Muffy
    But isn’t the alienated “center” ultimately responsible for their own actions (or inaction)?
    You’d think wouldn’t you? But I have to say NO. The “center” whether it be actual centrists who are like William Weld says ad nauseam “Socially liberal Fiscally conservative” or the blob of humanity called “independents” who really aren’t all that independent are ultimately consumers. These consumers are willing to buy but need to be sold and with the mix of dysfunction,skank and idiocy offered up q4 years I think can be held blameless from the debacle.

    As for the part you didn’t want more of,well here’s some more anyway. No I am not using Evangelical and Christian or religious interchangeably. EV’s are presented as a group that consciously self identify with priority. An EV is to me above all first and foremost an Evangelical Voter meaning social issues in line with their faith rule the day. In contrast a Catholic voter could/is more likely to be a C&E’er who votes who his/her union tells them to or someone from a neighborhood like South Boston or Dorchester who finds illegal immigration and wars a big deal.

  59. Poolman I finally watched The Corporation. Not bad. Revelation about IBM troubling but not particularly surprising.

    The other non-surprise is that many corporations fit the profile of a psychopath. One of the CEO’s (was it a carpet company?) realized he could enable his company’s psychopath tendencies or steer in another direction. He chose the latter.

    A corporation is like a child. Sucky parents raise a psycho and good parents raise a good corporate citizen.

  60. A corporation is like a child.

    I dunno. Maybe. Like if that child grew up by eating the other children in the room.

  61. So hard for me to hate corporations. When times got rough, a corporation hired my wife and allowed her to work from home. Sure… There is a horrible corporate culture there that ultimately hurts the company…. But damn…. A flawed corporation has given us a nice run for the last decade. Can’t hate.

  62. I’m not going to re argue the blame game. No matter the population of other voters you either voted for a candidate or you didn’t. “Independent consumer” voters are not children. They are responsible for whom they vote. If they vote as their union tells them to, they have purchased and hired for good or evil the government which manages their lives.

    I also agree with rabbit. A multi- national corporation is giving our son and daughter in law a good life in Silocon Valley. He does work very hard but the company appreciates his labor and pay him well.

    As for Trump. The body is still twitching. Anything could happen this year. But I wouldn’t bet the farm on it.

  63. Holding an event with Clinton survivors is a desperate attempt to survive. I would do the same thing. What has Trump got to lose?

  64. I’m now seeing a GOP legal expert saying that the DELEGATES are bound to vote for the party nominee regardless of who it is. So there is the slight possibility that GOP could dump Trump.

  65. James, I’m just declaring final results as counted at the end of the day. In the national where you vote has greater influence on outcome than for whom you vote. Delegates and an electoral college do not a democracy make.

  66. Rutherford it depends on the state but ultimately the delegates can vote NONE. The problem with this is it relies on HRC not making 270 which is in the bag unless the LP takes a state.

  67. “where you vote has greater influence on outcome than for whom you vote”

    That is the most intelligent thing Poolman has ever written on this blog

  68. James you’re taking a false Machiavellian stance. Candidates are or should I say SHOULD BE required to prove themselves worthy of a citizens vote. It is not the responsibility of the citizen to pick the least smelliest piece of shit and just accept it.
    That said a union guy has the right to support a prevailing wage proponent just like an Iowan has the right to literally shove a corn cob up the ass of every American every four years.

  69. “where you vote has greater influence on outcome than for whom you vote”

    That’s actually only true in a very very limited way and even then its pretty fucking shaky.
    That said I will agree that is the most intelligent thing Poolman has said anywhere evah!

  70. Trump was victorious.

    It kind of scares me how entertaining that was. It shouldn’t be entertaining like that, should it.

  71. The first 20 minutes we’re nauseating. Then the emails came up and it rolled from there. Hillary was a deer in the headlights.

  72. It started as Ancient Rome at the Coliseum and no, it should not have been that entertaining.

    Trump had a better debate tonight than the previous one. I’m still not ready to declare his victory yet.

  73. Tigre is right on the email exchange. She NEVER handles that well. And when Trump said he’ll prosecute her ass … HOLY FUCK!

    He also won the last exchange. She complimented him very indirectly. He gave her a very specific compliment.

  74. Both sides were claiming victory after the last debate. Meaningless. A chasing after the wind. Entirely scripted to keep the hangers on from losing hope, since it was ‘all over’ just days before… Do you think there are people on the fence? Theater. The entire world’s a stage.

    Alf ie, unless you are older than I, your vote for POTUS has always been inconsequential. And it is because of where you live. Iowa has a better chance of going red than Massachusetts.

    Massachusetts, one of the original 13 colonies, joined the Union in February 1788, and has participated in all 57 presidential elections. The state has been reliably Democratic since 1928, but has voted Republican four times since then – twice each for Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan. Massachusetts was the only state to vote for George McGovern in his huge 1972 electoral loss to Richard Nixon. Like many northeastern states, Massachusetts slowly lost its electoral clout over the course of the 20th century. The state has lost 1/3 of its electoral votes since the 1920s, falling from 18 to 11. In 2012, Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney 61% to 38%.

    http://www.270towin.com/states/Massachusetts

  75. You’d be in jail was the absolutely highlight of an otherwise ineffectual debate…

    That was classic! 😆 😆

    Did you see Hillary Two Axle Clinton pucker? 😈

  76. They’re already distorting the jail comment on MSNBC with references to banana republics. They neglect to mention the far more sophisticated statement he made about appointing a special prosecutor. That’s not banana republic in my way of thinking.

  77. Tex, did you see the press event prior to the debate? Sadly Kathy Shelton was almost incoherent when she spoke. If I didn’t already know her story, I wouldn’t have had any idea why she was at the table.

    It’s odd that her story is at once the strongest and weakest against Hillary. On the strong side, it attacks Hillary completely separate from Bill. On the weak side, our criminal justice system guarantees her rapist a rigorous defense. Her gripe needs to focus on Hillary’s cavalier attitude, not her doing her job.

  78. No, I didn’t get to see it, Rutherford. I have to imagine the lady would be incredibly nervous. These are not politicians and certainly not “elite.”

    If you’ve ever listened to the tape with Clinton laughing twice (she lied straight out tonight about the polygraph crap), it is amazing every woman in America didn’t become unhinged.

    It just demonstrates the utter hypocrisy of many of these women in the Democrat Party.

  79. “where you vote has greater influence on outcome than for whom you vote”

    This means nothing.

    I own Trump if I vote for Trump and evidently I even own Hillary if I vote for Trump. I live in IL.

    But if you vote for Obama and your state goes for Mitt or McCain you own nothing. What a crock.

    Just stop.

  80. Chrissy Haze is having night drizzles over rumors of Pence dropping out.

    And scary clown Kaine tried to interrupt Trump during the debate some 30x via Twitter.

  81. Yes, I am taking a Machiavillian stance and it is real. “The Prince” is alive and well in this campaign. I respect you, but I am not going to waste our time proving a reality you and some others refuse to see. “What a crock.”

    We are preparing to return to Omaha.

    Trump had to go there and he did. Political science classes will discuss this debate for years.

  82. “evidently I even own Hillary if I vote for Trump”

    If that is directed at me then you’re either willfully lying about what I’ve said or too dumb to understand it.

    Ownership of Hillary has nothing to do with who you support in Nov. It has to do with previous support.

    Hillary won this thing the moment Trump was nominated.

  83. I’m battling the blame game thing. Superficially I get where folks like James are coming from but deeper down there is more to it all.
    I can’t blame anyone for voting Obama in 2008. I can take a position that by 2012 they should’ve had a lot more awareness and weariness about doing it again though.

    I obviously blame the entire country for failing to give Romney/Ryan the 2012 win. I have come to terms with the fact that the campaign made a classic GOP run and by doing so doomed its success. I truly believed Romney would be POTUS around 10:30 PM EST. I was shocked. The Rove formula was soundly repudiated and the new model ascended. I believe if the GOP doesn’t learn that lesson they are doomed.
    Hence my disdain for treating the EV on a purely social issue plank. The GOP needs to reach new voters and offer GOP solutions to universal issues. They also need badly stop catering to the alienating, going nowhere, social red meat crap they pursue @ EV primary goers. It is widely reported upon that Trump enjoyed the successes he did because he got new voters. We’ll see if that shakes out to anything.
    All I know is I will be blameless and guilt free come January 2017 because what I am doing I do for my country. This isn’t revolution it is evolution and the Republic will stand.

  84. “Anybody here think that after last night Trump is still in the race?”

    I have no reason to rule him out. I have no idea how many formerly apolitical people are going to vote for him.

  85. “Anybody here think that after last night Trump is still in the race?”

    Not only that but I think he was the only one who was ever in the race. That might be hyperbole, I’m not sure. But the establishment of the Republican party can suck it today.

    You fight a war with the weapons you have not the weapons you wish you had. Trump will lose but he will have put up a better fight than Mitt or McFuckingCain.

  86. I own Trump if I vote for Trump and evidently I even own Hillary if I vote for Trump. I live in IL.

    Ownership and influence are not one in the same. Even contrarians understand that. Illinois is leaning left and hillary is the predicted ‘winner’ there. You own your choice to vote and for whom. You own your choice to live in Illinois. You own your choice to live in America. In reality, your choices are all you truly own. The rest is a matter of stewardship. You are just the caretaker. Responsible. Accountable.

    As a participant in the system you are subject to live with the general outcome. Your choice of candidate really doesn’t matter unless you vote as a delegate. You would need much more influence than a single vote to effect any change in your state’s status quo. You own your sphere of influence. For now, you be cheering the away team.

  87. “If Trump were a commenter here Muffy would be begging Rutherford for word filters and bans.”
    Ouch. That seems harsh for what it is in response to. Ultimately just a cheap shot and badly off the mark both regarding Trump and also me.
    ”If that is directed at me then you’re either willfully lying about what I’ve said or too dumb to understand it.”
    I think I’m willfully too dumb to understand it. I said I didn’t follow.
    “Feel free to own that part, too. You can’t own Trump as a candidate and not own Hillary as a president. The latter is the causal result of the former.”
    Like I said, I don’t follow. In fact – “I own Trump if I vote for Trump and evidently I even own Hillary if I vote for Trump. I live in IL.” – seems like a perfectly reasonable interpretation of what has become a massive rationalization-fest of voter angst coming from a tiny pocket of hot air in what is otherwise a pretty cool place to hear a wide variety of opinions I value for the most part.
    Between Rutherford, James, Alfie, and a THC-addled parrot I can’t follow the pretzel logic of whose vote counts for what or whom and when anymore, and I reject any attempts at moralization. I wouldn’t come to any of you for guidance with any decision of consequence I make – especially one of conscience. But I do like to try and understand where you and Alfie are coming from. I’m intrigued with Alfie’s views on the faith and politics relationship, and though you and I have very different ideas about conscience I expect you’re on as good of terms with yours as I am with mine.
    But I’ve got this wild hare (which I acknowledge could be a dumb triggered temporary fixation) that you/we are partially responsible for the parrots of your/our words and I think that’s all that PM quote was.
    And I’m a sucker for criticizing what I find foolish, like voting booth amnesia.
    I have some more thoughts on the blame game virus going around and voter amnesia in general but I’m holding out. I don’t want Alfie or you to get hit with unintended shrapnel so I’m just sitting with it for the moment.

  88. Anybody here think that after last night Trump is still in the race?

    The show must go on. It isn’t like a real race. It contains multiple acts of scripted performance. In the land of hollywood and influence peddling, you cannot believe anything the snews claims real.

  89. @ Huck – I meant to put “you” in the pretzel logic list.

    I also meant for paragraph separations but checking all the tags was too much for me. God I miss discussion forum formats.

  90. It’s probably best that trump used the ‘p’ word instead of the ‘c’ word. One is obviously more pc and forgivable. What a crock. 😛

  91. So I’m just going to do this now against my better judgment and once and for all denounce and disavow and whatever else needs to be said to separate myself and my comments from PM and alas also James. This especially concerns anything that has to do with faith or religion, and also the pretzel I referred to earlier. And particularly if they are responding to something I wrote. I quit.

  92. FWIW, I heard and understood you perfectly, Muffy. I’m struggling with a couple others here, and by that I mean the ultimate motivations.

    In any event, Trump is hardly out of the race IMO. I think all the hystrionics on Friday were totally overblown.

  93. FWIW Muffy I want you & others to vote the way you want to and feel comfortable about it. Its the integrity laden rule I’m applying to myself. I suspect in summary you & others want Trump to a) not be Hillary b) make good SCOTUS appointments c) make some inroads on debt and the economy and d) put America first on the FP front. Hell I’d even say it lays in that order.

    Not to make your head explode but the religious topic for me is simply that they are real people who can be addressed & engaged on topics other than abortion,queers and sex.

  94. Trump? Barely. But if there’s another Wiki to drop, then yes.

    I’m kind of on Muffy street. The Establishment sanctimony is too retching for my tastes anymore. Lord only knows what kind of Tex blather they could frame me with from Rutherford’s threads alone were I running for President. 😈 I would expect to be assured of only Mrs. Poolman and Lawson’s vote. 😛

    There’s three types of folks these days I have no use for.

    (1) The duplicitous and sanctimonious
    (2) The moral equivocators – especially the religious equivocators
    (3) The cowards.

    It would appear to me that includes about 98% of one party, 51% of the other, all but fraction of Libertarians – Gary Johnson reminds me of an aging hippy. What a joke.

    So, doesn’t leave me much to choose these days.

  95. @ Alfie – FWIW back at you I actually went searching for a previous lengthy full statement from you on your personal faith-politics relationship and I found it to be even more enlightening (and even edifying) the second time through. I do understand. And I remember well your “more power to you” remark a few months ago. Your consistency is noteworthy and also your explanations are patient and generous. For that I’m grateful.

    @Tigre. WIW = a lot. Thanks.

    “I think all the hystrionics on Friday were totally overblown.”

    I actually think the tape might have brought more viewers to the debate. When that thought occurred to me I had to smile in support of the way he handled what had to be more pressure that any of us could ever imagine. And with everyone deserting him except for Bill and Hillary’s victims. Man that felt good if only for a day.

    And to the charges of cheerleading, today I must say –

    Rah Rah Ree
    Kick her in the knee
    Rah Rah Rass
    Kick her in the other knee!

  96. “Trump? Barely. But if there’s another Wiki to drop, then yes.”

    There are also 2 more coming for him, one is similar to the pussy-grab and the other one is racist (gasp). Or so I hear.

    Nice avatar, btw. Possibly the best one ever.

    The moral outrage police have been detained for questioning.

  97. “I suspect in summary you & others want Trump to a) not be Hillary b) make good SCOTUS appointments c) make some inroads on debt and the economy and d) put America first on the FP front. Hell I’d even say it lays in that order.”

    I think that’s fair.

  98. For once a cornered rat attacked the smug left and drew blood. One can “die” as a sniveling equivicator as too many of our candidates have done, or one can go out defiant.

    I have no hope that either candidate would be more than a disaster.

    Yes, Huck, Hillary had the presidency as soon as Trump took the nomination, but my conscience is clear. I’m still voting for the bastard.

  99. “Who could have guess Chelsea Clinton would turn out to be a sociopath, hey?”

    LOL. Thanks for the tip. Interesting side dish.

    Podesta is a dead man. And Food Tester just became a college major in anticipation of the coming boom.

    If Trump were to win I can see Pixel Retouch Artist and Audio Editor with a specialty in Bleeping become very lucrative fields of study as well.

  100. Not only that but I think he was the only one who was ever in the race.

    Muffy, you’re starting to sound like Ann Coulter, not from a style POV but from a blind allegiance to Trump POV.

  101. Not to make your head explode but the religious topic for me is simply that they are real people who can be addressed & engaged on topics other than abortion,queers and sex.

    And this goes for blacks and Hispanics too.

    Alfie, one problem is that almost EVERY niche is viewed as a one issue voter.

    Women-abortion
    Blacks-civil rights
    Hispanics- immigration
    EV – “traditional values”

    The truth is the members of these groups care about an array of issues but that’s just too hard for the niche marketing mindset of the two major parties.

  102. For once a cornered rat attacked the smug left and drew blood.

    James captured a meme I’ve heard on the tube with which I firmly agree.

    Trump had nothing to lose last night and fulfilled the fantasy that every Clinton-hater has had for the past 25 years. She was publicly confronted on the unspeakable and Clinton-haters had a collective orgasm.

    Now every GOP candidate down ticket has to deal with a Trump base that is stronger than ever. Abandon Trump (as some have done) and lose his base.

    P.S. Kelly Ayotte is a coward of the first order.

  103. Orgasm is a bit strong, but you described it well. The PJ Media article is not a surprise. “The Prince” lives on.

  104. Remember when I posted American Band.

    Sweet Connie in Little Rock mentioned in the song wrote that the Highway Patrol contacted her, and they took her to see Gov Bill. They would have had an assignation but they couldn’t find a sufficiently secret place.

  105. Come on, Rutherford. You want as badly as I do to observe Hillary Rotten Clinton to be prosecuted by a Trump appointee. You and I wouldn’t be able to keep off the tube for months. And you know that cad would air it on live TV. 😛

  106. Tex your avatar is classic – the look on Bill’s face when he sees Paula Jones in the room. Does the Donald have huge cajones or what? Trots out Bill’s former mistresses and victims right there in front of him and his family.

    As for the prosecution, of course Id love it. In fact, when Trump said it, I half shook my head in disbelief that our debate discourse had come to this and I half cheered.

    Everyone is saying Trump wants to run a banana republic. I beg to differ. Prosecuting Hillary is simply seeing justice finally done. And if Comey can’t properly answer to a Trump appointed AG and special prosecutor, then Comey has to go too.

  107. “I here are also 2 more coming for him, one is similar to the pussy-grab and the other one is racist (gasp). Or so I hear.”

    I’m fearing it could be worse. Like an actual alleged victim or something. Trump looked like a little “off” last night. Puffy, kinda dower. I’m wondering if there isn’t something much worse lurking that Hillary’s Klan is looking to spring. The pussy grab stuff just ain’t that fucking great. I’m talking about the type of stuff that would make his family squirm.

  108. Also, Cooper was working like hell to get Trump to say he never actually did what he said and Trump ran away from it before blurting out “no.”

  109. “Also, Cooper was working like hell to get Trump to say he never actually did what he said and Trump ran away from it before blurting out “no.”

    Yes sir. I caught that and read it just like that. And concluded the same – that they had him there.

    We shall see.

  110. “Muffy, you’re starting to sound like Ann Coulter, not from a style POV but from a blind allegiance to Trump POV.”

    Rough night on the left wing, dear?

    I’m either going to be shamed for being a blind ally or called a “coward of the first order” like Ms Ayotte, aren’t I?

  111. The trump rape case won’t get a hearing until December. By then the election ritual will be well over.

    http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/

    Most evangelicals say as long as he isn’t in the pulpit, they can still support him for highest office in the land. When it comes down to sex with minors, I suppose 13 isn’t as bad as 9. There’s also some lawyerish talk about how when you rape your wife it isn’t really rape and if you agree not to press charges somehow the incident itself ceases to exist.

    Nothingburgers I’m certain…

  112. What the boob tube tells me is that when pussy grab surfaces beginning of October, there’s definitely worse stuff coming. They don’t unleash the nuclear bomb on the first volley.

    Unfortunately, on the other side, I’m finding Julian Assange’s revelations to be insufficiently compelling. Nothing strong enough to bring Hillary down.

    P.S. There is conjecture that TV producer Mark Burnette has Apprentice outtakes of Trump harassing his female contestants.

  113. Naaah Muffy, unlike Kelly, you’ve been pretty consistent regarding Trump. Her vacillation shows no backbone and a good dose of opportunism.

    I only compare you to Coulter (and Mary Matalin) because of your Trump optimism.

  114. Bill Clinton does not have a monopoly on sexual perversion. WMR has been informed by a very good source in Manhattan that Trump, while sitting next to his underage daughter Ivanka at the Trump Grill in Manhattan’s Trump Tower, was witnessed by waiters on a number of occasions with his hand under her dress and fondling her genitalia. Some of these waiters have stated they would swear out affidavits about what they saw. After Ivanka became of age, Trump told Playboy magazine, “. . .if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

    http://milfuegos.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/special-report-obama-and-clinton-push.html

  115. Yes America. We offer you a choice.
    ON the right we present a vulgar, incestuous, sexual molester, pedophile, and rapist.
    On the left we present a national traitor, pathological liar, professional cheat, and murderer.

    Happy Halloween 😈

  116. “The Trump versus Clinton contest reminds us of the Roman Empire.

    Would you rather vote for Caligula or Messalina?

    In a 2008 interview with CNN, Trump called the Monica Lewinsky scandal “totally unimportant” and said it was “nonsense” that Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton.”

    “In an interview, with CNBC in 1998, Trump called he Clinton accuser Paula Jones “a loser.”

    In August 1998, Trump again criticised Paula Jones, and said Bill Clinton was actually the victim.

    Trump said to Fox News that Bill Clinton’s victims “are terrible. He is really a victim himself.”

    “These people are … truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg …The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it’s just a really unattractive group. I’m not just talking about physical.”

    Donald Trump used to make light of Bill Clinton’s sex scandals..”

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/10/usa-and-romans-trump-and-clinton.html

  117. Poolman, your anti Trump posts are probably true, but in the words of the widow in the Magnificent Seven, “I seek justice, but I’ll take revenge.”

  118. From Wikilieaks “And as I’ve mentioned we’ve all been in general to conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.”

    Bill Ivey March,2016

  119. Locker room talk and frat boy braggadocio might be excused in a twenty year but coming from a 59 year old male indicates a concern about his libido.

  120. I noticed that another reliable source from Poolman says Trump enjoys incest in public with his daughter.

    Good work Poolman. Nice to know we’ve got your discerning eye on all blog posts that are fit to repeat.

  121. Locker room talk and frat boy braggadocio might be excused in a twenty year but coming from a 59 year old male indicates a concern about his libido.

    Less than 20 years ago, I was hearing from all of the Left, in the Oval Office mind you, it was “just about sex.”

    The hypocrisy of the Left used to be blinding. Now, it’s just expected.

  122. I don’t worry about his libido as long as he doesn’t use it outside of his marriage or on unwilling victims.

    I worry more about the four men who died at Benghazi and the millions killed or dislocated by Obama’s and Hillary’s policies.

    As far as we know, Trump hasn’t actually killed anyone.

  123. Emily Bronte, I agree Trump is a pig. He has probably said or done worse, and Clinton’s press likely has more nasty crap to throw at him.

    However, you need to understand real lives are affected by government policies and ideology. Here is one story.

    Melisa Oden is being interviewed on KFAB. She was soaked in a saline solution to scald her for five days prior to her being aborted.

    She was delivered as an abortion who survived. She was put in a foster home and learned at 14 that she was a living abortion. She had been adopted.

    Her older sister was pregnant and considering an abortion. Her parents revealed the truth about Melisa Oden to persuade her sister to keep the baby.

    Melisa weighed two pounds and had congestive heart failure, but obviously she survived.

    She found her birth parents when she was thirty. Her father had already died. Now she has contact with her birth mother’s family.

    Her grand mother was a nurse who urged the medical staff to kill her after birth. One or two nurses rushed her out of the room, because they knew that if others knew, doctors would be forced to let her live.

    Her birth mother thought her daughter had died until Melisa contacted her.

    Melisa is not the only survivor of late term abortions. Some who died and tried to survive tried to live. A nurse reported one who was thrown into a toilet tried to swim.

    She has two children who were born in the same hospital our son was born in. It was also the same hospital which performed the abortion,

    Hillary and Obama support late term abortions, so in a way, they help make possible similar abortions.

    It is true Trump said in effect that women are not real people. They are little more than sex organs made for male gratification.

    Tell me, Emily, which is the greater evil.

  124. Tex, I couldn’t get your Alex Jones link to work (consider it a compliment that I even clicked it).

    Based on the headline alone – where’s the bombshell? Who thinks Hillary loves average Americans? She called about 25% of them deplorable and irredeemable. Alex has to do better than that.

    As I said in an earlier comment, if Julian Assange can’t produce stuff better than what he’s been producing, he won’t touch Hillary.

  125. I hereby postulate the following:

    1) For the short term good of the country (no civil unrest, no riots, no increase in polarization), either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton must pull off a Reagan/Mondale win. The win must be a clear mandate. The win must be a total humiliation and repudiation of the loser.

    2) For the good of our international reputation, Hillary, sadly, must be the next President. Donald Trump as President will make us the laughing stock of the world.

    This is not a walk-back of my essay. I’m not voting for either of them. I’m just objectively telling you what must go down.

  126. Our international reputation is already in tatters. Hillary’s election will reward her immoral behavior and it will institutionalize a fascist mentality already present in our society.

    We are screwed no matter who wins. I think Trump will be less bad because his instincts recently grafted onto his mind are closer to our current ideals.

  127. I agree the victory must be overwhelming, and even then we will have serious discord, especially if Trump wins.

    I think we can vote for only one of two candidates. This vote is binary. One or the other will win. A vote for a third party is a vote thrown away.

  128. For the good of our international reputation, Hillary, sadly, must be the next President. Donald Trump as President will make us the laughing stock of the world.

    One shining moment when Hillary reset Russia to the USSR, hey? ISIS the JV, hey? Red line in the sand, hey? Libya will be a peaceful state, hey? Yemen the model of fighting terror, hey?

    You rate as even clueless for a Leftist.

  129. @ R
    Hillary is favored by our “allies” but that isn’t a positive. They favor her because she is a status qou ho.
    Domestically neither will get much done because we are pretty much bereft of any proper policy crunchers.
    Neither are in line for a mandate election.
    @James I’m really sick of the wasted vote bullshit. It is an idiotic position.

  130. Both Alfie and Tex read too much into my statement.

    I’m not talking about the continuation of a failed Obama FP nor am I talking about Hillary’s perception as a status quo ho. I am simply saying no country can take us seriously when we elect Bozo the Clown to be our President and Donald Trump is about as close to Bozo as they come — he’s more of a Crusty the Clown.

  131. A vote for a third party is a vote thrown away.

    I don’t agree but since I refuse to vote for POTUS, I won’t be throwing my vote away. I hope “none of the above” is available on the ballot so I can make a statement rather than leave it blank.

  132. Rutherford ultimately I don’t think the world would think any less of us for two reasons.
    #1 They actually don’t really respect us in the first place and the past 16 years has pretty much cemented that.
    #2 The World doesn’t have a lot of street red bitching about our elected leader until they look into the mirror long and hard themselves.

    One item of advice you may want to look into how your vote is counted. You might want to check with Naperville as well as Illinois. Many states for example have a history of not counting votes from the mail and military. MA was handed a Jim Crow like rebuke from the feds for doing that. Also many counting entities flag ballots with a blank or write in. Back in 2008 my ballot was likely flagged secondary to me writing in Romney. Ultimately my ballot might not have been counted at all.

  133. “I am simply saying no country can take us seriously when we elect Bozo the Clown to be our President. . . ”

    I hate this “other countries won’t take us seriously because he’s not serious person” bullshit as much as Alfie hates the “thrown away vote.” I really do.

  134. and now since I have my desktop……
    @ James you’re correct in using the dreaded “binary” word but isn’t that part of the problem??
    If people don’t start standing up NOW and collectively facing the TRUTH and start acting accordingly how is anything supposed to get better??
    Something I believe in this election is that if my vote in some small way assures the LP to gain automatic ballot access from here out I am doing a higher service than anybody putting on CW/BW suits and pulling the lever for either of the two fuck-ups we have served ourselves up.
    If my not voting for Trump helps assure the GOP experiences a major schism I am doing a very patriotic thing in my opinion. The GOP needs an enema and to their credit I think they’re the only party brave enough to undergo the procedure.
    People like me who reside on the left end of the spectrum should do the same thing. I sincerely believe they should write in Sanders or vote for the Green retard. The Dems deserve a major and big handed proctological exam and someone,lots of someones should step up and set that appointment in motion.
    The people who call themselves Republicans need to come to the light and recognize that they need to pick being either a Freedom Caucus/TPM Conservative or a Center-Right Republican. The two just can’t coexist.
    The Dems need to split into the socialist commie proggie wing and resuscitate the damn Blue Dogs.
    This is our destiny,our children and grandchildren destiny and it needs to start cooking NOW!

  135. People like me who reside on the left end of the spectrum should do the same thing.

    That didn’t come out right. People who are lefties but fed up like me (a center right kind of guy) should…..blah blah

  136. No it is not an idiotic position. You either vote for one or the other. A third party vote is principled and right, but it won’t change anything. You might as well throw your ballot into a road ditch.

    What for example did those who voted for Perot accomplish except help Clinton win? Ralph Nader votes helped Bush win the White House. Al Gore said the same today.

    Such voters made principled statements, and they probably congratulated themselves for committing such a selfless act. I am sure at least some of them are better people than I but my vote will count more than theirs.

    Prepare to be sickened. I won’t bring it up every day, but I won’t forget. Hillary will have no connection to me. I will in a small way own Trump, and I will take the credit or blame.

  137. You make a good point about our inability to change the system of we continue to vote for the candidates the system offers us. I don’t know the answer.

    Maybe if it gets bad enough bombs and guns will change the system. I hope not, but history tells us it is possible.

  138. 1) For the short term good of the country (no civil unrest, no riots, no increase in polarization), either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton must pull off a Reagan/Mondale win. The win must be a clear mandate. The win must be a total humiliation and repudiation of the loser.

    Not going to happen. Too many too dedicated to party to create a significant slant either way, with the rest of us realizing that there isn’t a way to stockpile enough ammunition or alcohol to make it through the next four years. No matter who wins, there will be more polarization, if not outright conflict. And of course, the usual suspects doing what the usual suspects do.

    2) For the good of our international reputation, Hillary, sadly, must be the next President. Donald Trump as President will make us the laughing stock of the world.

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry as I read and re-read this.

    They don’t respect Hillary. They aren’t afraid to pay in her pay-to-play, but they don’t respect her any more than anyone who “pays for it” respects the one they’re paying.

    This isn’t about respect…from others or from ourselves.

    This isn’t about the Supreme Court.

    This isn’t about treating women right (not in the age of the vulgarity which passes for “entertainment” these days.

    It’s about whether or not the rule of law, and by extension, the republic survives.

    Does that happen with Trump? I dunno, but unlike when Democrats occupy the Oval Office, I expect that the media will rediscover the sanctity of the law and their role as watchdog and canary in the coal mine under a President Trump.

    Does it happen with a second President Clinton? No. Rewarding her criminal behavior to date with a promotion will lead to the completion of the weaponization of government, as there will be no stopping her if she gets more power.

    Personally, I’m rooting for Sweet Meteor of Death.

  139. This is so sad to me.

    It was very wrong for the museum to gratuitously insult Thomas by including a reference to Anita Hill.

    On the other hand, there is no gold medal for coming in second. Marshall paved the way for Thomas, not the other way around. Thanks to Marshall, Thomas being a black justice was irrelevant.

    I know you’d like to make this about ideology and the proof of that is in the inclusion of Anita Hill, not the exclusion of Clarence Thomas.

    I don’t know for sure but I’m guessing Jackie Robinson is in the museum. I’m also guessing the dozens of black baseball players after him are not.

  140. ” I am simply saying no country can take us seriously when we elect Bozo the Clown to be our President and Donald Trump is about as close to Bozo as they come — he’s more of a Crusty the Clown.”

    Ha. He thinks the world takes us seriously now. What a fucking joke.

    On the another note, for the first time on this blog, I predict right wing home grown violence. Philosophically speaking, we’ve reached an interesting point. The Justice Department, FBI, IRS, EPA, Presidency, media are all corrupt. Election fraud keeps getting worse. WWJD? Only a couple Congressman and a blow hard reality tv star are calling it out for what it really is. So… What would Jefferson do?

    *I am not referring to myself so suck a bag of dicks NSA.

  141. Muffy thanks for the vid. Beyond the fact I love hearing the dudes John Lennon accent, he’s got some serious shit there.

    The Hillary leaks are getting a bit of play but most of what’s being discussed is minor league. Things like manipulating a bunch of dumb asses is not getting play at all.

  142. Rabbit there will be right wing violence if Hillary wins by a hair. That’s why I say it must be a decisive drubbing.

    On a related note, from what my daughter tells me, 7th graders (12 year olds) are conjecturing that either winner will be assassinated. When kids are concerned about the next pres being killed, we are in deep shit.

    She asked my wife ”are the VP candidates any good?”

  143. “It was very wrong for the museum to gratuitously insult Thomas by including a reference to Anita Hill.

    On the other hand, there is no gold medal for coming in second. Marshall paved the way for Thomas, not the other way around. Thanks to Marshall, Thomas being a black justice was irrelevant.

    I know you’d like to make this about ideology and the proof of that is in the inclusion of Anita Hill, not the exclusion of Clarence Thomas.

    I don’t know for sure but I’m guessing Jackie Robinson is in the museum. I’m also guessing the dozens of black baseball players after him are not.”

    They have the handcuffs used in the arrest of Henry Louis Gates. That should tell you something.

    After Obama who is the most powerful black person in the nation?

    They had room after Jackie for Willie Mays, Satchel Page, Dave Winfield, Roy Campanella, Ernie Banks, Hank Aaron, and a dozen more. They have Michael Jordan AND Shaq’s shoes! You know how many basketball jerseys are on display? Muhammed Ali AND Joe Louis. AND Sonny Liston.AND Joe Frazier. AND George Foreman – and a dozen more boxers.

    They have a dress and 2 awards for Whitney Houston on display. Chuck Berry’s car. Muddy Water’s hat. You have no idea.

    Justice Thomas has is the 2nd and longest serving black justice. Over 500 opinions.

    You can’t tell me this is not about ideology.

  144. “The Justice Department, FBI, IRS, EPA, Presidency, media are all corrupt. Election fraud keeps getting worse.”

    Not to worry, rabbit.

    “Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson’s suggestion that state and local voting systems be designated as “pieces of critical infrastructure” so that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can protect them from hackers.”

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/legal-experts-allowing-dhs-secure-elections-would-set-dangerous/

  145. You can’t tell me this is not about ideology.

    After everything you listed, no I can’t. But I already acknowledged the inclusion of Hill was a politically motivated disgrace.

    But I stand corrected on Thomas. Based on the roster of “repeats” you cited it seems pretty obvious his inclusion was not seriously considered.

  146. Personally, I’m rooting for Sweet Meteor of Death.

    😆 Swing low, sweet chariot…

    I’m still hopeful for SHC myself. ♫ Let’s start at the very beginning,
    ►DC’s a good place to start…

    There’s too many performing artists on the main stage reading Revelation like it’s a script. I think we can get more done behind the scenes while there’s still daylight. Just takes vision and a little faith. Mustard seed. Childlike. Mountain moving. Fig tree killing. Lazarus calling. Faith. Activation required.

    Fire is cleansing. Maybe we can spark some faith. 🙂 ♪ This little light of mine…

  147. You already know I agree with BIC. Sweet meteor of death is a nice touch.

    I also agree with Rutherford’s last comment about the most powerful black in the United States.

    This is how it feels in the instant before the train hits us.

  148. “Next to Valerie Jarrett, the most powerful black in America is Loretta Lynch, not Clarence Thomas.

    You love to quibble. A DOJ committed only to doing the bidding of the boss is not powerful. Except against the little guy.

    In fact I would say Ms Lynch is very, very weak. Quite lacking in spine and strength of character.

    But by design the executive is one of 3 coequal branches, and Justice Roberts has proved my point in the abstract with his ruling on the ACA. Obama understands this and has been busy working that part of his aggressive fundamental transformation initiative.

    Obama stacking the lower courts is designed to more enduringly undermine the power of the SCOTUS than Jarrett’s peculiar power.

    All of which is beside the point anyway.

  149. I’m hearing reports that some folks literally had trouble sleeping after Sunday nights debate.

    Could it be that things have gotten that dark?

    I’m looking at Facebook and seeing friendships being strained by this election like no election before in my memory.

  150. I wonder if Dr Carson is mentioned in the museum.

    There are a lot of catagories but I don’t remember if I saw medicine. I did see education.

    Its really a shame though that the Smithsonian isnt above this sort of thing. And I don’t know how you can see this as different than the delegitimization angle of the birther issue.

    I read about this in the Trib a couple days ago and their coverage even threw shade at Justice Thomas in the process of reporting on the slight.

    Just sad.

  151. Tavis Smiley’s high horse needs to be turned into glue. That glue should be applied to his lips. Anyone not outraged over Clinton at this point is either evil or ignorant.

  152. “I guess it’s semantics.”</>

    It is. And you’re damn right about Hilldebeast.

    Remember my remark about social cleansing a while back. Scrubbing the past could conceivably seep into scrubbing the present with someone like Hillary.

  153. Hey Tavis, the dumbass? If the high point was 2008, look at your broken country now, fraud. Hope & Change, asshole.

    If PBS wasn’t publicly funded, this blathering POS would be unemployed.

    But Tavis Dumbass is perfect with the addition of another congenital liar named Brian Williams – two disgraced frauds.

  154. Re:Tavis – He was dealing in half truths. No question.

    I couldn’t believe he was too cowardly to go there. So disappointing.

  155. Muffy, assuming Thomas was deliberately slighted by The Smithsonian, it is ironic. Chris Matthews accuses the birther movement of trying to scrub Obama from history.

    What do we do in a world where no ones hands are clean?

  156. Tex, Tavis is one of the most outspoken critics of the … Obama administration.

    Whether you like it or not, Obama’s inauguration as a snapshot in time was and will forever be historic and moving.

    No one discounts the moon landing because it turned out to be a huge dead ball of rock in the sky.

  157. “Perhaps not. How about Herman Cain, Allen West, Thomas Sowell?

    Mmmm I wonder if Bill Cosby is in there? 🤔

    A poster from Jesse Jacksons failed run is.

    I wondered about Cosby too.

    Re: Dr Carson – hes got 3 strikes against him socially. His ability to thrive is amazing.

  158. “What do we do in a world where no ones hands are clean?”

    Can we insist the news media clean up their act? Its 90% propaganda and punditry and 10% commercials.

    Maybe we deal with the fact that ideologues can’t work in the industry.

  159. “Tavis was indicting the media, not Trump” .

    Have you seen the wikileaks over the past week? If the media is being indicted and Clinton’s name isn’t coming up than Tavis is part of that same media.

  160. Museums are all about agenda-tainment these days. Its tragic when they take wuality historical stuff and pimp it out.
    Also not to be racist but why does 12% of the population get one of the biggest buildings on the Mall?
    Is this truly worthy of the name National?

  161. Rutherford, your msnbc link if true still supports my point. Perot voters are a footnote.

    I agree Loretta Lynch is a weakling. Her power comes from the office and Obama. Once he is gone, Lynch will be another footnote.

    Alfie, you know the answer to your question. You are not racist, but “they” are politically racist. Like fascists and Stalinists they are changing history.

    Obama’s election was moving all right. My supper moved up and past my mouth. It would have been a wonderful emotional experience had it not been based on lies. Those of us who had researched the truth knew how it would turn out, and it devolved as expected.

    So how could anyone who knew the future based on Obama’s past feel anything other than disdain and sadness?

  162. “Tavis is one of the most outspoken critics of the … Obama administration.

    Whether you like it or not, Obama’s inauguration as a snapshot in time was and will forever be historic and moving.

    No one discounts the moon landing because it turned out to be a huge dead ball of rock in the sky.”

    Good point on the moon. Clever too.

    Obama’s inauguration was that. No question.

    The lines between gov and news media completely obliterated. The faces on on msnbc suddenly all up in arms over paid protestors at Trump rallies would be funny if it werent so tragic. Tavis cant ignore the worst case of what hes railing about.

  163. Oh hell. I keep forgetting the pp gotchya.

    Im seeing a bright side to this whole crazy thing re: the media. The first step toward reform?

  164. “Is there any reason the wikileaks shouldn’t drive the ads right now?”

    No shit.

    Watched MSNBC (Morning Blow) for while this morning. They don’t even bother discussing Hillary. It’s pure Trump attack mode and bogus polling data. That R views everything through the lens of biased media (in terms of what’s significant or worthy of discussion) always leaves me scratching my head. So long as they don’t discuss it, it must not be important.

    I wish we could run Mitt. Hell, I wish exhume Reagan and run the corpse as the GOP candidate. The media wouldn’t have time to develop a narrative like they have for Trump and the “unimportant” Hillary shit.

    Gawl. I can’t believe we’re where we’re at. Depressing.

    But on the bright side, Huck covered his ass. So at least we go that. . .

  165. Wikileaks has actually become what journalists were originally intended to do. All these Assange leaks have revealed is the proof of the actual players in the corruption. Anyone fair already knew the media little but Democrat operatives with bylines. Wikileaks has filled in the Proper names.

    I already knew people like Rutherford with his Hawvard Degree thought people of faith inferior, backward, uneducated. That mentality runs up and down the East and West coasts.

    But the party Rutherford represents is not totally open about it because of the large contingent of Hispanic Catholics, Muslims and American Jews – three core bloc votes.

    What has surprised me is the internal corruption of the federal agencies, who have colluded to protect both the Clintons and the Obamas.

  166. Tavis Smiley is a fraud and an imbecile. Tavis is convinced Obama hasn’t been black enough, divisive enough, progressive enough. Smiley is actually worse than Obama in my estimation, “R.”

    As to the stupidity of your analogy about Obama’s inauguration and White Men landing on the moon – I would expect nothing less from your very limited capacity to reason. Almost 50 years after the fact, the Apollo space missions are still the stuff of awe.

    It didn’t take Obama 90 days to demonstrate himself a fraud. Don’t mistake Obama’s reelection as something monumental – it’s a testament to how far America has fallen.

    And Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as candidates are all the proof one needs to as immutable fact.

  167. Pay no mind to the shame culture pedaling parrots. Maybe the time has come to fight back and “go there.” Always go there. If only until they get the message.

    American is not a shame culture.

  168. “Wikileaks has actually become what journalists were originally intended to do. All these Assange leaks have revealed is the proof of the actual players in the corruption. Anyone fair already knew the media little but Democrat operatives with bylines. Wikileaks has filled in the Proper names.”

    That is exactly where are.

  169. Re: Obama’s “historic and moving” inauguration –

    This is not mutually exclusive to the rest of the story. But I was very moved at the time.

    Did I tell you guys of my little foray into looking at voting for Hillary early in the ’08 election for the sole reason that she is a woman? I’m not proud of it but there it is.

  170. One thing about Wikileaks & Assange I find funny. When Bush was getting scorched Julian was a freedom fighter and was not to be denied!! Now he’s a punk and it’s all a big yawn. HYPOCRISY much??? 😃

  171. “Men never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when they do it out of conscience.” (Blaise Pascal, 1623-1662).

    ^That is at the top of this email. It goes on…

    “That Frau Schmerkel – who has ordered the blitz banlieue-ization of Dunkeldeutschland & its surrounding vassal states, even though she herself has reached the conclusion that masses of Muslims have brought nothing but massive misery to the Heimat – has gone completely bonkers was already evident from her Monty Pythonesque energy policy.”

    It gets worse.

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1637

  172. When Bush was getting scorched Julian was a freedom fighter and was not to be denied!! Now he’s a punk and it’s all a big yawn.

    Multipurpose props. We do that plenty. Really, they are not that imaginative.

    Wikileaks, not unlike wikipedia, has been elevated to gospel in the information age. It was Wikileaks who gave up Chelsea Manning, so there should be some pause. Controlled opposition is the most effective way of moving disinformation. Spoonfuls of truth help the propaganda go down. Where is Snowden in all of this, if he actually exists as a real person. Julian’s on a game card along with trump.

    So predictable how they use the latest dumps to validate their previous psy-ops. The raid on the compound in Pakistan ending with a sea funeral and dead witnesses a tell-tale.

  173. Let’s see. New documentation that demonstrates a corrupt media feeding the corrupt federal administrations like the FBI and IRS, now documented working in conjunction with a corrupt DOJ, working with a corrupted President, colluding and covering for the next likely future transparently corrupt President. Did I mention a secretive FED controlling the monetary policy?

    What could possibly go wrong concerning the future of this country?

    I like to think there are still enough good, moral people strong enough and brave enough to fend off the approaching fascist and lawless Oligarchy. But I must admit if the military takes the sides of their commanding officers deeply ingrained in the current corrupt administration, I foresee a large segment of the American population persecuted to one degree or another with something far more insidious than limited liberties, a theft of their net worth, and a silencing of protest.

    This is exactly what has destroyed the historical Republics in the past…throw in the apathy of the vast majority of the populace, too ignorant and numb to understand what is at stake, I have never felt more unsure of the stability of this country for my children and grandchild than I do at this minute.

  174. This is surreal.

    Assange said after the DNC emails that they had this stuff and wouldn’t say what. and someone asked him if it was campaign ending and he replied that it certainly was – dependent entirely on what the media does with it.

    At least the world isn’t laughing.

  175. Re: Obama’s “historic and moving” inauguration –
    This is not mutually exclusive to the rest of the story. But I was very moved at the time.

    Very well stated. I was talking about the inauguration in isolation as an historic event, not about its consequences.

    As for considering voting for Hillary in 2008, Muffy I don’t blame you one bit. In fact, I fully understand the historic pull that would drive any woman to vote for Hillary this year. I sincerely hope my wife doesn’t. I know she does not plan to. But if once in that “booth” she feels compelled to contribute to history being made, I understand.

    I find this election excruciating because I want to vote for the first female president. But Hillary ain’t the right woman.

  176. Something to remember about Wikileaks: pussy sells, dem party corruption and malignant ideology does not.

    Until Assange produces click bait for the masses, nothing will happen. Everything else is being labeled inside baseball by the MSM.

  177. What brave Americans out there are willing and able to make the corrupt machine pay?

    That’s the question.

    I have too much to lose. Too much of a coward

    Is there no way to stop this shit without extracurricular activity?

    I think the most obvious thing I’ve come to realize is they operate without fear. There is no fear of the corrupt media. No fear of the dumb masses. No fear of the FBI or Justice Department as, ultimately, the leadership is in on it. No fear of rule of law. No fear of getting caught lying

    I wrongly thought a loud mouth pop icon goon would bring fear to them. I was wrong.

    I can only think of one thing to bring fear!

  178. “But if once in that “booth” she feels compelled to contribute to history being made, I understand.”

    Oh for fuck’s sake.

  179. “Something to remember about Wikileaks: pussy sells, dem party corruption and malignant ideology does not.”

    Only one thing to remember about Wikileaks: a corrupt state media controlled by the machine is purposely hiding it from the people.

    And Rutherford watches all their advertising, supporting them.

  180. “Something to remember about Wikileaks: pussy sells, dem party corruption and malignant ideology does not.”

    The media could “sell” any story they want, and you are witnessing the one they have chosen. It’s not a pussy thing. Corruption and malignant ideology if residing on the right would be all that was talked about and would drive the ignorant masses. It’s a shamelessly liberal-controlled media thing.

  181. Tigre you grossly underestimate the pull of “firsts”. In a white male dominated society, barrier breaking is cathartic as hell.

    Your “for fuck’s sake” shows you haven’t given the matter sufficient thought.

  182. “I find this election excruciating because I want to vote for the first female president. But Hillary ain’t the right woman.”

    Any blindness is willful at this point. She’s a disgrace. As a woman I find support for her among women an embarrassment and incredibly sad. She has done nothing but undermine the belief that women are to be treated equally. She requires inequality to thrive.

    I don’t think she’s the devil. But I think if there is a devil she would please him.

    We’re headed for a big fall. It’s not excruciating for me not to vote for her and it was only a passing thought 8 years ago. There will be Hill to pay.

  183. “Tigre you grossly underestimate the pull of “firsts”. In a white male dominated society, barrier breaking is cathartic as hell.”

    My wife disagrees. A fucked up female president is not a milestone or barrier she wishes to break. No joy whatsoever. Hillary represents corruption not accomplishment.

    Of course, she is not driven by identity politics and paradigms as you are. You are consumed and persuaded and frankly manipulated by it.

    Me? Sorry. I supported Fiorina, but for no other reason than I liked her style.

    So I’ll go tell my wife she’s fucked up and I’ll grab a bottle and feel shame for being white and male.

  184. Good for you Tigre. I just had one all written for the white male.

    I’ll just leave it at the American male is pretty great.

  185. “I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”

    -National Politics Correspondent at Newsweek Magazine and award-winning journalist Nina Burleigh about superpredator Bill Clinton.

  186. Hey just a heads up that after the election if the LDS does what it looks like they’re going to do….. stay out of Utah ‘cuz I’m going to buy a black market nuclear device or two or twenty and melt the fucking place.

  187. But if once in that “booth” she feels compelled to contribute to history being made, I understand.

    Vomit. I can still taste the bile. Your wife would no more pull the lever for Carly Fiorina, infinitely smarter and more qualified than Hag Clinton, then I would vote Michelle Obama.

    I’m kind of ready for Hill to be President. Then I truly can consider the Left my real enemy.

    When America gets clobbered, that will be Obama and Hillary’s legacy. And their supporters, including you Rutherford, will burn the hottest. I guarantee it. Won’t be no safety net for you then. We’ll see if your militant atheism carries you then. 😈

  188. Rutherford won’t be responding for a couple hours thanks to Tigre. He has that shit on a loop for a Guinness World Record meat gaze.

    And on a serious note, the media is really excitedly giggling over Obama’s hard on. What the fuck??????????

    It’s not even a metaphor.

  189. “I’m kind of ready for Hill to be President. Then I truly can consider the Left my real enemy.”

    Fuck yeah. It’s on.

  190. So I’ll go tell my wife she’s fucked up and I’ll grab a bottle and feel shame for being white and male.

    LOL You’re such an ass. The fact your wife can see HRC for what she is – bravo. I’m just saying the chance for America to join the ranks of U.K., India, Germany, etc. in having a female head of state is compelling to many and you’re a fool to totally discount it.

  191. Rutherford won’t be responding for a couple hours thanks to Tigre.

    What a pain in the ass website. My mobile browser kept tossing up popups. Hardly worth it for a bogus piece about Obama showing off a hard-on.

  192. The first female head of state is compelling to many, but mooning over the first witch to come along is stupid. Sadly, we have too many “fucking morons” who are like easy fans in a dark bar when the first face comes along.

  193. Sorry but I find the chorus of history denial pure bullshit.

    Tex you’re right. My wife would no sooner support Carly than I’d support Herman Cain.

    I’m not saying it’s TOTALLY about gender. I’m saying when the politics aligns with history making, it is very compelling.

    I’ve never pretended that I’m suddenly a Republican because I don’t like Hillary. That’s exactly why it’s excruciating- because the politics I favor is being spouted by a liar and criminal. I have to abandon my political preferences and my desire to see social progress because I’m stuck with a beeyatch.

  194. I agree with Rutherford that there are folks very much caught up in the romanticism of “firsts” .
    Perhaps in better terms when normal civics types are moved by a speech (I saw Reagans concession speech @ GOP convention last night for ex) or a policy others get moved by genitals & skin hues.

  195. In that case I agree with Rutherford too that there are folks very much caught up in the romanticism of a “first” no matter how embarrassing it proves to be for whichever “first” has their turn.

    So long as the “first” is a liberal fuckwad.

    Only a fool wouldn’t understand and condone that. 🙄

  196. Rutherford = Obamacare = Signature Legislation = Massive Failure.

    Today, the idiot governor of Minnesota admitted the most obvious:

    Gov. Dayton Says Affordable Care Act ‘No Longer Affordable’

    You, and Thor, and that feckless Curator, and the late, great (still inane) Hippie Professor, and Densico, and Lurker (one and the same), and the rest of you idiot Libs tie that one on in celebration. You can win national elections with free stuff, but you can’t run a country.

    However, you’re well into splitting one.

  197. So I’m hearing about the media’s need to vet the Wikileaks before reporting on it … then 30 seconds later I hear “two women say Trump touched them inappropriately”. Ahem, who’s vetting that?

  198. So Juanita Broderick is a liar but Trump’s victims are telling the truth.

    We are in such deep shit. I’m not quite there yet, but I’m beginning to honestly fear for the near future.

  199. Alfie, I don’t understand why Bill Kristol pushed that National Review guy but left McMullin hanging in the breeze. I considered McMullin a very plausible challenge to Trump.

  200. Everyone knows the wikileaks shit is all true.

    I find this whole Russian angle quite comical. Four years ago hashtag meme-master Obama told us the Cold War was over and the Russians aint shit. One year ago he got caught trying to fuck with Israeli elections. Now he is willing to start a conflict with the nothingburger Russians over some shit that everyone knows is nothing more than anti-Trump posturing, trying to connect him to those guys we were all told we don’t have to worry about. The guys he reset relations with. The guys he wanted more flexibility to work with.

    This whole Russian talking point is actually an admission of utter foreign policy failure, but nobody has the balls to call it that because Trump said something about grabbing pussies.

  201. After I typed that, it occurred to me that this could even be the Israeli “proportional response” to our meddling in their election. And that thought came to me even before I saw this…

  202. “That’s exactly why it’s excruciating- because the politics I favor is being spouted by a liar and criminal”

    You meat gazing moron. Obama is the ultimate liar and criminal. The evidence is overwhelming and is now being released daily. You detest Hillary for a host of reasons but the fact she is corrupt is not and can not be one of them. You need to pay for the damage and corruption you and the millions like you have brought upon this country unless you fucking totally repent and point out rhw obvious.

    You can keep your politics. I’m not telling you to recant any of your shitty, utopian ideology. But you need to come clean with the dirty.

    Until then you are an enemy of the state and of my family. Only personal friendship would save you, becuase I intend on exacting revenge on liberals in any fool proof, non violent, legal way I can. And that’s just me. Motherfuckers.

    I think there should be a boycott of military enlistment. Local militias need to be normalized and their numbers need to grow a 100 fold. And every upright citizen needs to fuck a liberal over who directly or indirectly supports the corruption of this country.

    Trump is a tumor that can be removed. Clinton is metastasized, malignant death to the Republic.

  203. I agree with rabbit. I have already played a small part. I convinced our children never to have any part of the military. Were there a draft, I would know how to circumvent it from what our college professors taught us in the sixties.

  204. Somby is a Finish-Sami rock band which expresses what I think rabbit did and many more of us feel. They are singing about the racist treatment meted out to their people by the dominant culture. We are moving into their position.

    Rough translation;

    “The clock is ticking. Calendar pages are turning. Time passes, but I’m getting nowhere. You have locked me in a prison which shrinks like the melting spring snow. You disdain me. What comes around goes around. I don’t hate you today, but maybe tomorrow. I will hurt you badly.”

  205. Alfie wrote we get the government we deserve. I agree except for those of us who saw it coming and who did what we could to fight the trends. We deserve none of this.

    An underground economy is strong in Ukraine to fight corruption and avoid taxes. I read that it is so endemic that economists aren’t sure how much Ukrainians actually earn. One is already active in our rural area. It is one way to fight the ” foreign occupiers”.

  206. Anderson Cooper tried to get Trump to explicatly say that he had only talked without acting on what he said. I expected a set up at the time.

    They wanted him to say “no” which he did so that they could bring out a crowd of women to show Trump had lied. It would counter the fact that Hillary lies and would expose Donald as no better than Hillary or Bill.

    We would have learned little of the rot without Wikileaks.

    Our world is “shrinking like the melting spring snow.”

  207. STRONGER TOGETHER!

    Well, together except for the 25% of irredeemable deplorables, the other 25% of whatever Republicans as they too “the enemy,” the bumpkin Catholics who follow tenets from the Vatican, all Evangelicals as they are uneducated, backwards, and believe in Jesus, the Taco Bowl crowd, the ordinary, every day Common Joes and Josephines, the etc. etc. etc…

    Even the damn campaign slogan is an absurdity. 😆 😆

  208. Just spent time dealing with our firm’s health insurance renewals. In case there is any doubt, Obamacare is collapsing — as anyone with a brain predicted.

    Most carriers are exiting the market. The one main carrier, Humana, has been approved for a 67.5% increase in premiums and limited in coverage to only a few metro Atlanta areas. That’s just premiums and territory, Rutherford. Lord knows about deductibles and exclusions, which for most working people are crushing. And, by design, the employer mandate will not kick in until next year to be sure that the job market will be crushed too.

    Hope & Change!

    Social Progress!

    Stronger Together (at attacking and taking from your neighbors).

    Fuck all of you idiots that supported this shit storm.

    Next up, the only thing worse: single payer socialized and rationed medical care on the backs of the working class.

  209. “I think there should be a boycott of military enlistment.”

    If only we could get a walk out of the “career FBI” agents that we now know directly contradict what Corrupt Comey said, not to mention the conspicuously corrupt DOJ.

    Fuck the rule of law.

    Stronger Together!

  210. “Holy shit Huck. Was that a big wet kiss to Poolman?”

    Could you please not do this every time someone writes or links to something that PM might also find worthy of his attention?

  211. A caller to a local talk show just said what some of us have been saying. A vote for anyone but Trump is a vote directly or indirectly for Hillary.

  212. Re: igniting a conflict with Russia over this election would not be too reckless and dangerous to contemplate.

    Standard operating procedure.

  213. El Tigre, if anyone thinks this will end with single payer and rationed health care he/she lives in dreamland. The history of this regime shows it will use the IRS, Justice Department, FBI, EPA, and other organs to harm its enemies. Our private information is out for everyone to see.

    Health care can be denied or weakened for the wrong people. If I am wrong about our enemies’ plans, people who voted for them will still die as our medical system deteriorates. Insiders will do fine.

  214. James we get it. Youre voting for Trump. You think that to do otherwise is to vote for Hillary.

    After 5000 times it starts to sound repetetive.

  215. Talk show host Scott Vorhees on KFAB worked with Ms Teen USA for several years. He said so much is going on behind the stage that the dressing area spills out into the hallway. He said Trump wouldn’t have been able to avoid seeing unclad girls even if he was just leaving his dressing room, etc to the stage.

    Girls came up to him and asked if the tape used to hold up their gowns showed.

  216. Bill Clinton is the best defense not against the charges of sexual misconduct but of unfitness to hold office. No false equivalence there.

    What do you think Hillary?

  217. Muffy, I will continue to be repetitive until after the election. I don’t blame your impatience . I know I can be as irritating as hell. So is this campaign.

  218. Whatever James. It’s like arguing with a traffic cone.

    A caller to a local talk show just said it. Excellent point. I really hadn’t thought of that. 😆

  219. “I think there should be a boycott of military enlistment.”
    “If only we could get a walk out of the “career FBI” agents.”

    I dream of a massive walk off. Just walk off. All of us.

  220. Stronger Together
    As if stupidity in mass had some benefit. :facepalm:

    Make America Great Again
    It was pretty great before all its assholes became its mouthpieces.

  221. @ James ET is correct in that single payer is coming to the table. I think it’ll be presented as a “cure” as sick as that notion is.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if we all start hearing the words “Canada has had success with______ “. I think healthcare and carbon tax will figure prominently in filling the blank.

  222. So it is established that Muffy is in a bad mood today, I am today’s punching bag and liberal polices ipso facto lead to corruption and illegality.

    The first two, par for the course. The last – incredibly arrogant and insane. There is no evil at the heart of liberal ideology – there is evil among those who implement it. The same can be said of conservative ideology. Conceptually, liberals and conservatives both want a functioning society and differ on how to get it done. Most things in the hands of flawed humans get fucked up. It’s amazing the country has done as well as it has for the past 230 or so years.

  223. And another thing – you folks can take my support of Obama and shove it up your collective asses. There is NO comparison to supporting a relative political newbie who appeared to have so much potential and supporting a 30 year Washington veteran with an arm-long rap sheet trailing her. I make zero apology for my support of Obama in 2008. Bless me Father for I have sinned SLIGHTLY in my vote for him in 2012. I did not feel his character flaws outweighed the politics I support. I’m very disappointed with the job he’s done. I can own that. He’s done nothing irreparable – provided we had a decent person to replace him. We don’t – and there is the rub.

  224. “So it is established that Muffy is in a bad mood today, I am today’s punching bag and liberal polices ipso facto lead to corruption and illegality.”

    LOL. Sorry sweetie. You’re wrong about the first – just rushed and finding current events hard to pull away from on work days (job, you know), but insufficient time to focus on the bigger pictures atm. I shouldnt have wasted the shot. But you gotta stop saddling up with PM-level nonsense. It aint fair or accurate.

    About the second – think about it. Why would a policy require lying and corruption to be implemented? Why would it need to be forced and the public be tricked?

    Sorry James! Repeat away!

  225. “And another thing – you folks can take my support of Obama and shove it up your collective asses.”

    Good topic.

    It’s actually the ideology/policies that make you culpable for the results. No?

    You really dont know how fortunate you are to be hung up only on their bad character. I mean that.

  226. Conceptually, liberals and conservatives both want a functioning society and differ on how to get it done.<<<

    No, liberals want a society overseen and managed by a nanny state.

    Conservatives know that if left to their own devices, they can do much better for themselves than a rapacious and unchecked government can do for them.

    Most things in the hands of flawed humans get fucked up.<<<

    Agreed. However, when governments bloat and spawn monolithic agencies with a pecuniary interest in their continued existence, it tends to override all other priorities, including actually becoming successful at their stated goal and ending the need for their continued existence.

    It’s amazing the country has done as well as it has for the past 230 or so years.<<<

    Not really. We used to follow the blueprint which required a limited government and confined its duties to those tasks which it could actually perform with some semblance of efficiency and competency. Now that “mission creep” has expanded it in every direction and caused to eclipse other societal institutions and usurp authority it was never intended to have, we see waste, inefficiency, fraud, abuse, incompetence, and above all else, a complete and downright contemptuous lack of accountability.

  227. “My deductible options have stayed the same but the premiums have risen. Just offering more wood to that particular fire.”

    Just told an entire coverage level may be excluded in 2017. That would occur when most have already signed or have no ability to get coverage outside of the exchange.

    How are you so certain about the deductible levels? That’s an honest question. Does it too require advanced approval in the Bay State? I thought open enrollment doesn’t occur until Nov. 1. Nothing is totally certain here until you actually enroll, and if I understood correctly, things are subject to change after folks are locked in.

    Here. Obamacare is a total fucking disaster. I assumed that was true everywhere, Alfie. Are you saying things ain’t so bad in your neck of the woods?

  228. “He’s done nothing irreparable – provided we had a decent person to replace him.”

    Oh he knocked us up alright. And unlike they told us in high school it happened the first time.

  229. “He’s done nothing irreparable”

    Except make sure his FBI and Justice Department get Hillary elected.

    Except expand Executive power to the point that Legislative consent and oversight is virtually meaningless and often non-existent.

    Except monumentally expand our debt to levels we may never recover from…ever.

    I can add more if you’re not yet getting the picture.

    What makes Hillary, Trump, or anyone that follows SO potentially dangerous is 8 years of Obama’s irreparable damage. And you know that, so to defend him and yourself, you put the onus on future leaders to correct his course, and will, of course, put the blame onto them for doing what we all told you would naturally follow.

  230. If you’re tired of hearing about how you caused our problems, I can certainly understand that. But don’t you dare try to suggest that the damage Obama and his minions have done to this country is negligible.

    We’re in deep fucking shit, man.

  231. “And you know that, so to defend him and yourself, you put the onus on future leaders to correct his course, and will, of course, put the blame onto them for doing what we all told you would naturally follow.”

    The boys in the boiler room of the Titanic should have no problems fixing those holes.

    Rutherford is waaaaaaay toooooooo invested in Obama to deal honestly with the damage he’s done. HE could never admit that to himself or others. It would be too painful.

  232. Tiger I get my insurance through a self insured corporation & our enrollment starts next week so the numbers are out. The corp paying millions in fees to feds and estimated expenses in fy 17 measured over a billion.
    Yeah I know its hard reading me. Honest its easier in person 😀

  233. On a statt basis ET you got to remember we had a more established system in effect. We were never served by some of the bigs and also rans. That said costs are out of this world. My plan actually has one thing going for it and that’s the hard stand it takes on balance billing. I know folks who get outrageous bills above what was covered. Its sick.

  234. It depends on what your definition of “irreparable” is. Huck mentioned a few. I can mention a few more. Race relations, terrorists with fissile material, health care, policy with Russia, 650,00 dead Syrians, cynicism about federal agencies, massive new and worthless regulations, etc. etc. etc…

  235. I’m thinking from now on if men want to go into ladies rooms to check out and fondle someone’s daughter they should just call themselves Republicans. Those actions seem a bit more acceptable when attached to that label.

  236. I’m thinking from now on if men want to go into ladies rooms to check out and fondle someone’s daughter they should just call themselves Republicans. Those actions seem a bit more acceptable when attached to that label.

    I eagerly await Billy Jeff Clinton’s announcement that he is switching parties.

  237.  Conceptually, liberals and conservatives both want a functioning society and differ on how to get it done. - Me
    

    No, liberals want a society overseen and managed by a nanny state.
    Conservatives know that if left to their own devices, they can do much better for themselves than a rapacious and unchecked government can do for them. – BiC

    BiC, you’re addressing implementation choices, not the mutual desire for a functioning society.

  238. Except expand Executive power to the point that Legislative consent and oversight is virtually meaningless and often non-existent.

    I take issue with that specific point. We are not talking about a legislative branch eager for accountability for their actions. I think particularly where FP is concerned Congress has been happy to let Obama call the shots. Don’t forget, they share the blame in Obama’s red line fiasco.

  239. But don’t you dare try to suggest that the damage Obama and his minions have done to this country is negligible.

    Negligible and irreparable are two different things. I’m not sure when we reach a point of no return but I don’t think Obama has us there yet.

  240. BiC, you’re addressing implementation choices, not the mutual desire for a functioning society.

    Actually, you’re wrong.

    The nanny state model installs government as the central feature in everyday life. All blessings flow from it, and success in any endeavor is not possible without it’s benevolence.

    In the conservative model, day to day living occurs with or without government, and certainly without a government that mandates the kind of light bulbs you can use in your home, the kind of toilet you can have in your bathroom, or what kind of health insurance (not health care, because that comes at a cost over and above what you pay for insurance) you MUST purchase in order to transfer wealth to other people.

  241. I’m thinking from now on if men want to go into ladies rooms to check out and fondle someone’s daughter they should just call themselves Republicans.

    ROTFLMAO 😂

  242. The nanny state model installs government as the central feature in everyday life.

    And those who favor the nanny state believe it is best for a well functioning society. Now the road to hell may be paved with good intentions but when you attack the intentions you’re barking up the wrong tree.

  243. And those who favor the nanny state believe it is best for a well functioning society. Now the road to hell may be paved with good intentions but when you attack the intentions you’re barking up the wrong tree.

    The nanny state doesn’t make for a functioning society, “well” or otherwise.

    What it infantilizes large swaths of the population while making slaves of the rest. It isn’t a recipe for advancement, achievement, or ambition. Merely the performance of just enough to get each day’s ration of gruel.

    And if anything were to happen to that government which has been made indispensable to everyday life? Well, then you’re left with a society completely incapable of coping with the loss of Nanny.

  244. One of Trumps accusers said that when Trump tried to get under her skirt on an airplane, after he had already groped her above the belt, that was the last straw. She was ok with his groping her breasts? WTF?

    And where were these women 15 months ago when Trump started his ascent? Their conscience kicked in in October?

    I’m not going to dispute their claims but I’m sure as hell not happy with their timing.

  245. Why would a policy or an agenda be pushed through using force or tricks? Maybe because it is bad policy? Why is the process by which policy is designed to be implemented not followed – that is by the consent of the governed through a series of check and balances?

    That seems like an easy one to me.

  246. Rutherford, intention doesn’t transmute something into existence, nor does it change its fundamental nature.

    You said that both groups want a functioning society; I take issue with the premise, as what the left wants is not the same thing as a functioning society. What the left wants is a society that is dependent on government and consequence-free. This is not the same as a “functioning society”.

  247. I take issue with that specific point. We are not talking about a legislative branch eager for accountability for their actions.

    Like the Democrats who forced the Obamadoesn’tcare monstrosity through despite being told multiple times that it would collapse, and did so without a single Republican vote, but now want “bipartisan” support to “fix” (i.e. steal even more money to prop up this gargantuan redistribution scheme) their mess? That kind of avoidance of accountability?

  248. Good catch in the airplane gropee.

    I fully get the freeze but mothers teach their daughters what to do before it happens. The training kicks in.

    Trump can defend himself though. He’s doing a pretty good job of it. Making some very solid points.

    Too bad the cost.

  249. “on” the airplane gropee I mean. You could see her catch herself there too.

    Im not excusing I’m just not buying much of this. I haven’t heard a compelling story yet.

  250. I have to help Rutherford out a little here although I don’t know how serious BIC is with some of his examples.
    Conservatism is the definition of retarded when it comes to society at least when you use conservatism to cover absolute ignorance to inevitable change.
    That’s not to say conservative leaning politicians and citizens are incapable of productive and highly beneficial policy though,far from it. For the past 8+ years however NO and silence has been the prevailing game of anything that isn’t a (D) and that’s retarded.
    Don’t like Dodd/Frank or Sarbanes/Oxley? Good! Just come to grips that TNT isn’t an option unless you’re willing to pony up a real alternative. So do it right or get your hammer out and chip away.
    Same thing goes for PPACA. Even now it is unlikely the majority could nuke it and that’s indeed unfortunate. Get the hammers and chisels and get to chipping. Also get to doing the right thing on a myriad of points. One example I think (R)’s should’ve been all over is getting rid of the HSA restrictions. It is so important to snuff the restrictions. Folks facing High Deductible Health Plans for the rest of their days deserve the chance to sock money away. You get the reluctant 20 something paying into a plan but WITH an HSA and you get a 65 year old who laughs at the hip replacement or cardiac event procedures.

  251. I drafted a post on the subject but I am willing to share the thesis here. I truly believe America is at one of those points that have previously happened in its history where major metamorphic shifts are occurring.
    These shifts are absolutely inevitable just like they always have been in the past. These shifts are very uncomfortable for a number of people,red & blue. We as a nation are about to experience some real discomfort as certain realities crystallize.

  252. We as a nation are about to experience some real discomfort as certain realities crystallize.

    All of that assumes the nation in and of itself continues to exist in a form recognizable. Those realities often lead to consequences not foreseen by those forcing the circumstances.

    I’m sure King George III never foresaw the day the power of its time watched many of its greatest minds leave the fold of which it has never fully recovered. The same can be said of France and Napoleon.

  253. that is by the consent of the governed through a series of check and balances?

    The consent of the governed who vote Democrat has been reached by virtue of their vote.

  254. Someone needs to write a good analysis of what I call the sexual abuse pile on.

    I maintain at least 25% of Bill Cosby’s accusers are full of shit. I’m not saying Bill was a Saint. I’m not saying he didn’t drug-molest women but I believe once the accusation is made, a gravy train leaves the station.

    It’s the same with Trump. I don’t like the man. I don’t doubt he’s a creep. But the timing of this royally pisses me off.

    I get not reporting it at the time. I understand the fear of reprisal. But if your conscience is going to kick in, the time for that is BEFORE HE GETS THE FUCKING NOMINATION!!!! Why October?

    I’m not sure I can keep my blood pressure in check the next three weeks.

    P.S. Trump made a comment about the People magazine reporter who is among the accusers. The three words “look at her” are being twisted by the press as a shot at her looks when in context it doesn’t necessarily mean that at all.

    Folks are tired of the media lying to them. Even when they lie about liars. My sense of foreboding about this election grows daily.

  255. I’m not going to dispute their claims but I’m sure as hell not happy with their timing.

    Whose timing? Where did you hear it? Could it have been… satan the teevee?

  256. I’m not sure I can keep my blood pressure in check the next three weeks.

    Settle down, there fella. You cannot add anything to anyone’s life by fear and worry. It will make your life miserable. Chill. These jerks live off that fear and anxiety. Plenty of prescriptions available to manage it too. It’s that damned teevee. What is the longest time you have gone without the teevee?

    You’re like a crack addict with a 24/7/365 home dispensary.

  257. “I’m not sure I can keep my blood pressure in check the next three weeks.”

    Yeah, take it easy. You’ll need your health for what’s to come 😛

  258. So I played the “look at her” clip for my wife in isolation without hearing any spin. She also thought Trump was referring to her appearance. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe I’m overloaded.

  259. This is the look at her moment I’m referring to. What do you folks think? Is he talking about her appearance?

    P.S. When my wife heard only the audio she changed her mind.

  260. More shit coming out about Trump. Which should have been expected. If you have a series of hit jobs, you don’t lead with the biggest and then get weaker from there. We probably haven’t even had the worst one yet.

    Also learning that he refused to let his team do opposition research on him, which could have uncovered a lot of these things and allowed them to get ahead of them. So stupid.

    To think back at all the people who were in this at the beginning and to see where things are now with this jackass is heartbreaking.

  261. This one is worthy of a “look at her”. I mean seriously. Look at what Trump has a history of being with and then ask yourself how much you believe Trump was interested in a piece of this.

  262. I just finished Narcos on Netflix, Tex. I was really impressed with its overall production. Do you think it will be as good with them going after the Cali Cartel?

  263. “The consent of the governed who vote Democrat has been reached by virtue of their vote.”</>

    So you hold yourself accountable for the results.

  264. No hard feelings, Muffy.

    I agree, Alfie. It has been set up since the beginning. Iowa Senator Tom Harkin told leftist critics just before the bill passed that they should take the
    long view. The Affordable Care Act was merely a way station. It was like the first construction of a house. The final product would be single payer insurance.

    I don’t care about much of anything right now. I helped our son in law clean out his garage. We celebrated my birthday by walking three miles through a Halloween amusement park. Our three year old grand daughter and I bounced on a bounce platform for nearly an hour and went down a very long three tiered slide three times.

    I feel my age tonight.

  265. “Someone needs to write a good analysis of what I call the sexual abuse pile on.”

    Each case is different, but the pile on is to discourage looking at each case individually.

    Trumps words on the bus “they let you do it” doesnt sound like hes forcing himself on women. The two stories I watched/read dont ring true and/or dont rise to the level of sexual assault. Not if she let him do it.

  266. This one is worthy of a “look at her”. I mean seriously.

    That’s the lady with the “if he stuck with the upper part of the body…”

    WTF????

    Huck the chick is 70. She might have been hot 35 years ago. Just sayin.

  267. So you hold yourself accountable for the results.

    I don’t see how I can’t. You own what you vote for. But it is a gamble. Sometimes you bet on the wrong horse.

  268. Not if she let him do it.

    This raises the old issue of no means no. Let’s take the airport lady. We can infer her membership in the mile high club was fine so long as Trump stuck with her breasts. Once he went below the belt, she cried foul. On the one hand she has every right to set the boundaries wherever she likes. On the other hand her initial tolerance of the “octopus” undermines her story a bit.

    By being an idiot Trump has unearthed several sociological issues worth discussion.

  269. Re: smoking gun – I dont know that there is such a thing anymore. Its clear why she didnt want the the speech transcripts released. Shes lying about wanting open borders among ither things. The stuff about Libya is damning.

    So far wikileaks confirms every suspicion, no?

  270. James Woods ‏@RealJamesWoods
    Now that the media have decided this election, it’s fair to say that #Democrats will finally have what they want. And what they deserve.

  271. Giving Hillary questions before a debate should horrify. As should all the classified info flying around.

    Comey is a weasels ass.

  272. Thanks Rutherford.

    I should feel outrage, but I don’t feel anything.

    Hillary and the press have no smoking gun because liberal news and entertainment businesses put out the fires and change the subject.

    Trump’s idiocy does open the door for a productive sociological and biological discussion, but we know it won’t happen.

    Many voters who hired this travesty will suffer, but good, rich friends will make out like bandits , at least at first.

    The next Congressional election may end badly for them.

  273. “The consent of the governed who vote Democrat has been reached by virtue of their vote.”

    The Constitution begs to differ.

  274. “He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer exist.”
    Marcos Cicero

  275. We as a nation are about to experience some real discomfort as certain realities crystallize.<<<

    I agree. It has been official and cultural policy for far to long to deny reality by wishcasting it away. The problem with that is that reality will always assert itself sooner or later, and like a honey badger on steroids, it doesn’t care about your feelz.

    The coming wake up call is likely to be epic, and those who believe that government is mother and government is father will be the hardest hit.

    I’ve read some scenarios where it ends up being a bit more gentle than what I think is actually coming, but even those don’t end well for some people.

  276. “I’m still waiting for Assange’s smoking gun. So far, just a water pistol.”

    You don’t know shit about what’s in those leaks nor would you understand a smoking gun if it just fired a round in your dumb head.

  277. The coming wake up call is likely to be epic, and those who believe that government is mother and government is father will be the hardest hit.

    Well, that covers about all of us, doesn’t it? Libs think gov is Mommy and conservatives think gov is Daddy. 😀

  278. You don’t know shit about what’s in those leaks nor would you understand a smoking gun if it just fired a round in your dumb head.

    Keep talking smack. Julian’s job is to disqualify Hillary with a fucking bombshell. It hasn’t happened and I doubt it will. It doesn’t help that Donald has 30 years of juicy shit for the media to feed on. That’s their excuse for mostly ignoring the leaks.

    Oh, and it’s Russia’s fault.

  279. Former Apprentice contestant says Trump harassed her.

    AFTER he grabbed her breast, she continued to pursue a job with him. This is by her own account.

    I guess I’m confused. You grab my tit as part of job interview and I’m done. I look for job elsewhere.

    Am I missing something?

  280. The more I think about Rabbit’s smack talk the funnier it is.

    Rabbit and his moron friends voted for Trump in the primary and brought this disaster upon us. If polls are reliable HRC is the next POTUS and you can thank Rabbit for his part in it.

  281. Tex said:
    All of that assumes the nation in and of itself continues to exist in a form recognizable
    My opinion is that the there are many folks who won’t recognize the country as it rolls out. I do believe the country & its people will survive just as they have survived the previous metamorphic moments.
    To explain a bit about what I’m talking about keep in mind some of the other moments in our history.
    Post independence.
    Manifest Destiny
    Industrial v Agricultural circa 1850-1870+
    Dawn of US Imperialism
    WW I
    WW II
    Post Cold War
    I sincerely believe we’re on the verge of another. It has bits of the previous ones in it but with a lot more flair. It also satisfies my bias of spheric politics. China ascending, multi-polar/spheric hegemony, irreversible diminished stature of USA/West continued scourge of global terrorism i.e. Islamic, global arms race with nationalist leanings and resource security.

  282. Liberal media bias

    Coverage comp: Trump sexual advances v Wikileaks

    Network morning shows

    ABC
    Trump: 9 min
    Wiki: 0 min

    NBC
    T: 7 min
    W: 30 sec

    CBS
    T: 7 min
    W: 1 min

  283. “Rabbit and his moron friends voted for Trump in the primary and brought this disaster upon us. If polls are reliable HRC is the next POTUS and you can thank Rabbit for his part in it.”

    You sucked off Obama for years. Pathetic.

    I voted for some loose cannon in the primary under the dark shaddow of your boyfriend’s rampant corruption. Far from being beholden to some other man like you were, fan boy. Considering the institutionalized corruption over the last 8 years, I’m thinking the last debate alone was worth it.

    That being said, I will self criticize with ruthless precision when the time comes.

    Lastly, who knows what’s going on with this election. It’s a fact your news TV is nothing more than an arm of your corrupt and cancerous party. As I said before, you have no idea what’s in the leaks. And you have no idea what the results of this election will be.

  284. Rabbit, I will agree that anyone who bets on the outcome of this election is a fool. Too many variables at play. With that said, the primary was the time to eliminate the ridiculous and on that, you contributed to a ridiculous outcome. The dude I “sucked off” wasn’t a reality TV star nor a businessman whose only real talent is branding.

    I was easy on you when you first expressed shame (rightfully) for your primary vote, but if you’re gonna attack me at this point in the cycle, I’m gonna rub your face in it.

  285. Also you’re not missing anything.

    The question isn’t always going to be why did they wait to report but rather what are they reporting?

  286. Muffy, your stats confirm the obvious to any objective viewer. The MSM is either trying to get Hillary elected OR trying to NOT get Trump elected. I vacillate daily on which it is.

  287. @R – they’ve already justified trying to get Hillary elected. This isnt new. But now it’s their duty. And dissenters will be dealt with harshly.

    Just like the videographer who slandered the profit.

  288. I’d also like to know what purpose Gloria Allred served by being at the “Apprentice press conference”. Why does Summer need a lawyer next to her during her statement? And is Gloria guilty of gross negligence by letting her “client” go on and on for 11 minutes with way more detail than was necessary, including detail that makes her look more stupid than a victim?

    http://bcove.me/svzdjitm

  289. “The dude I “sucked off” wasn’t a reality TV star nor a businessman whose only real talent is branding.”

    Please do tell. What was he?

    As for you wondering if the MSM is either trying to get Hillary elected OR trying to NOT get Trump elected…this perfectly sums up what a brainwashed moron you are.

    Fuck head… They are in some cases giving the Clinton Campaign full editorial powers. They are givng her debate questions ahead of time. They are conspiring.

    Lets pretend we don’t know all of this. Well, you apparently don’t. Look how they successfully brainwashed you about
    Romney, you mindless fuck.

    Of course they are in it for Hillary to win!!! Look what they were doing to your cuckold beta Sanders!

    You have to ponder if they are supporting Hillary????????????

  290. “Obama lied about knowing about Clintons email server.”

    That right there should be the smoking gun for anyone who is educated enough to understand just how fragile a democracy is when it comes to the ill effects of institutionalized corruption and perverted rule of law.

    The Justice Department and the FBI have been highjacked by the filth! We should be having a 5 million man march on D.C. right now.

  291. TIMELINE
    Mar 3- Subpoena for Clinton emails
    Mar 4- Clinton camp asks to “hold”/hide emails w/ Obama
    Mar 25-31- Bleachbit used to bury emails

  292. Ok Rabbit, I can see how my question looked fucktardy.

    Let me phrase it a different way. There is no comparison between how the media handled McCain and Romney and how they are going after Trump. They are dedicated to SAVAGING him 24/7. That tells me it’s more than just getting Hillary elected. They truly HATE this man.

  293. I agree with BIC, and I think people will die with the crack up. The sixties and seventies style riots and terrorist attacks will become more familiar than they have been.

    Rutherford, if Donna Brazil disappointed you, you should have read more of PJ Media, Hot Air, and News Busters. Anyone who has visited those sites regularly is not surprised by these and other revelations.

  294. Thank goodness for Wikileaks and maybe Russians or Lativians. Without them, these amazing revelations would have remained hidden from a press who didn’t care.

    I think the weight of this and future dirt will eventually become more influential than it is now. It takes time. It took a while for Watergate to invade public consciousness and reach critical mass.

  295. Rutherford, I have predicted that in time, your opinions would evolve toward ours, and they have, though your ideology has not changed. You are intelligent and honest enough to understand what is happening to your icons.

    This song describes my vision of your evolution from a worshiper to angry skeptic as the “concrete angel” cracks and disintegrates.

  296. When you read the comments these guys were making, all I can say is be careful what you write here, boys. When the shit comes down, it’s gonna come down hard.

  297. “Donald Trump’s campaign on Friday released a friendly email from a woman who had accused him earlier in the day of sexually accosting her, as well as a statement from the woman’s cousin questioning her motives.

    In the April 14 email to Trump’s assistant released by the campaign late Friday, Zervos described operating a restaurant in Huntington Beach and asked to get in touch with the businessman-turned-reality television star.

    “He has witnessed both my highs and lows operating a small business and I am pleased to report that business is good,” Zervos wrote. “… I would greatly appreciate reconnecting at this time. He will know my intentions are genuine.”

    The GOP presidential nominee’s campaign also released a statement from John Barry, who is identified as Zervos’ first cousin who lives in Mission Viejo. Barry said he is “shocked and bewildered” by Zervos’ allegations and noted that she repeatedly made “glowing” statements about Trump after appearing on the fifth season of “The Apprentice.”

    “I think Summer wishes she could still be on reality TV, and in an effort to get that back she’s saying all of these negative things about Mr. Trump,” Barry said. “That’s not how she talked about him before. I can only imagine that Summer’s actions today are nothing more than an attempt to regain the spotlight at Mr. Trump’s expense.”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-trump-campaign-battles-former-1476504096-htmlstory.html

  298. Summer’s lengthy tale makes little sense and the nightclub lady is clearly having a lot of fun telling her story. Hell, she practically laughed while sharing her “vivid memory” from over a decade ago where Trump felt her vagina in a nightclub. I’ll say this. Whether Donald’s hands are big or small, he sure is dexterous. Able to get his hand up a skirt and inside panties in the blink of an eye.

    Don’t these phonies know how far back they are setting the women’s movement?

  299. Huck, terrorist attacks will become familiar from all sides as you already know.

    “Scenes from the Apocalypse-Mass Immigration Ruins the Streets of France” illustrate a future problem for us if we continue Obama’s immigration policies. It should be a discussion issue one of the two sides determining the election results.

    Instead, apparently opportunistic bimbos are taking center stage. We established Clinton’s standards twenty years ago, and now progressives want to change the rules.

  300. R-“Let me phrase it a different way. There is no comparison between how the media handled McCain and Romney and how they are going after Trump. They are dedicated to SAVAGING him 24/7. That tells me it’s more than just getting Hillary elected. They truly HATE this man.”

    They created him now they are trying to destroy him. Be careful what you wish for.

  301. Democrats created him because they knew Trump would be the weakest candidate against Hillary. The fools who chose Trump above all others were too unobservant and illogical to realize they were being played.

    I believe once again Wikileaks has something to say about this.

  302. Rutherford, I thought you would appreciate the fact that the 40 year-old video maker had voted democrat in every national election in his life. He voted for obama 2 times, as you did. So, it was a process of discovery that brought him to his conclusions presented in the video. Yes, 911 was an inside job, as many people now contend. You still believe the bin laden conspiracy, a narrative given within minutes yet still unproved by any investigative agency 15 years after the fact. I consider that some serious foolishness.

  303. ETF News says a Wikileaks e mail shows Democrats planned this grope attack last May.

    That’s not surprising. If someone is a cad, everyone knows it. It’s just a matter of incenting the “victims” to come forward.

    Gross negligence on the part of Bush/Rubio/Cruz/etc campaigns not to get this out there early.

    Trump should NEVER have become the nominee. The GOP deserves to lose this election via sheer stupidity.

  304. They created him now they are trying to destroy him. Be careful what you wish for.

    Exactly. And it is infuriating. They fed the fire with gasoline and are now trying desperately to put it out.

    There is no one honest to turn to. Corrupt immoral candidates, a lying media. No port in the storm.

  305. I thought you would appreciate the fact that the 40 year-old video maker had voted democrat in every national election in his life.

    You were right. Until he started spewing Sandy Hook and Truther nonsense, I was thinking “shit, this guy is me”.

  306. “NBC not able to independently verify claims” but THEY STILL REPORT IT!!!!

    News has degenerated into gossip.

    But the inherent catch-22 is interesting. Which set of victims do we believe? Broderick or “Summer” or both?

    We also have this meme that victims of sexual abuse deserve to be believed but how does that square with innocent until proven guilty?

    Tigre? BiC?

  307. Poolman it is clear the media lies to us daily. The question is how far do the lies go? Quite frankly I find 9/11 skepticism more understandable than Sandy Hook.

    At the very least we cozied up to Saudi Arabia, a passive participant in the attack – so to that extent we brought it on ourselves.

    But for folks to pretend that 20 very young children were part of a staged event is absurd and offensive. Poolman, get a grip! We’re talking about kids with no self censoring ability. Where are all these kids screaming “hey, we’re not dead!!!” Or are you saying the kids never existed in the first place? Do you have the slightest idea how nutty you sound?

    P.S. Please no parking lot photos.

  308. P.S. Please no parking lot photos.

    No photos or signs this time, Rutherford, as you’re just not too visually observant. I don’t believe any public school in 2012 CT would not have signs prominently displayed per the state mandate. But that is me thinking logically.

    There are plenty of people that have proved the thing was scripted and a look at the money that was put into that community by this administration is staggering. As with the 911 event, all site evidence was quickly sealed and subsequently disposed. I remind how many of the participating actors are now an integral part of the agenda tour, showing up at major events. The event was recanted daily by media and mouthpieces, just as 911 was. It is still a powerful political prop.

    But politics is where you put your faith. So, in that category I provide the following interesting view of trump including a list of his supporters:

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/10/trumps-best-speech.html

  309. Ah yes. When things get difficult for the moron, he always gravitates towards indepth discussions with… Uh… The other moron.

    Thousands upon thousands of emails exposing truth (and overwhelmingly ignored by all of Rutherford’s lonely TV-land) and he wants to get into a false flag debate with the foolman for 100th time.

  310. Speaking of politics, I got my ballot in the mail today. I actually got kind of excited seeing it in the mailbox. I also find my reaction somewhat odd and curious. 🙂

  311. How many of those underground fortresses rummy told us about did they find rabbit? You being the bunny ought to know what goes on underground. These were numerous and seriously fortified. Remember? Of course you don’t. You just buy it without question like a good little soldier boy.

  312. What do all those email dumps have to say about israel? Just curious. You do know you guys are getting awfully cozy with alex jones’ notions and those of his ilk. Just sayin…

  313. “We also have this meme that victims of sexual abuse deserve to be believed but how does that square with innocent until proven guilty?”

    It doesn’t.

    On the national level, it’s a dumbfuck liberal phrase used to demonize white males.

    On a local level. . . take a look at what happens to the wrongly accused at colleges.

    Since when does a liberal care about due process when it’s used a political weapon?

  314. When things get difficult for the moron, he always gravitates towards indepth discussions with… Uh… The other moron.

    This moron didn’t elevate Trump to POTUS candidate. This moron is boycotting the POTUS election.

    You live with your choices. I’ll live with mine.

  315. “This moron didn’t elevate Trump to POTUS candidate.”

    Do you think I’m cringing with buyer’s remorse? Because I’m not.

  316. My favorite line from the whole piece:

    But I’m telling you, they say their way of life is dying because their way of life is dying.

    Good article Tigre. Thanks.

    P.S. I’m not totally blind to the Trump phenom. Hell, I enjoy his rallies. And that’s what’s so dangerous about him.

  317. Well, I wanted you to read it ’cause you’re “that guy.” I get to some of these rural areas from time to time, and it’s why I empathize. It’s aso why the bullslhit ignorant elitist piety irks me.

  318. BTW, that you find Trump (and frankly every GOP candidate) dangerous while looking past the irreparable damage caused by Obama (yes, irreparable) not so dangerous is downright depressing. Your mindset has become the norm.

  319. Tigre yeah I heard your “voice” through much of the article.

    One thing this Trump fiasco has taught me is how many libs come off as arrogant assholes. When you’ve pledged yourself to the fraternity it’s hard to see the shortcomings. Supporting Bernie and seeing what the party elite did to him was a real eye opener.

    I’ll never see Obama quite the way you do but God knows I’m tired of defending him. I’ll be relieved on January 21st that it’s over.

  320. BTW, that you find Trump (and frankly every GOP candidate) dangerous

    Not true. Trump is in a class by himself. My Bernie backup plan was potentially a vote for Christie or Bush. I could have pulled the lever for either in good conscience.

  321. I haven’t been around you as long as some of the others. But I don’t remember any presidential candidate (or vp) or SCOTUS Justice on the right that you didn’t label dangerous, or racist, or misogynist, or any other kind of “ist” that was some variation of dangerous. Your take on Mitt was ripe. RIpe like a marathoner’s underwear left in the hamper. You just hadn’t come around though the barrage of MSNBC attacks on Christie or Bush. It would’ve only been a matter of time. That’s what your beloved media does. Labels dangerous then totally vilifies on some personal level because the imagery is easy for the dumb masses to latch onto.

    What was it again about Mitt? I’ve actually forgotten what you got sucked into. Probably the dog on the car roof or the bullying incident he always regretted or some fucked up interpretation of his business decisions you never understood. Whatever it was, it was evil. 🙄

  322. “the bullying incident he always regreted”

    Lol. I forgot that one. He was a bully once in the 10th grade. Rutherford’s buddies were actually writing and talking about it with a straight face.

  323. “Trump is in a class by himself”

    Hillary ruined the life of an young inturn cigar fucked by the most powerful man in the world. But Trump is some class by himself. Lol.

  324. I’ll help your recall Tigre. I thought Mitt was an out of touch rich guy who carelessly cost people their jobs and looked down his nose at the 47%.

    What I missed was the man’s basic decency. That would not have gotten my vote but I would have been less aggressive in opposing him.

    MSNBC devoted mucho minutos to trashing Christie. Didn’t bother me one bit. What did bother me was when he endorsed Trump like a little bitch.

  325. “Trump is in a class by himself”

    Among the GOP candidates. Are you having trouble with context today Rabbit?

    Did you even read the post this comment thread is connected to? I doubt it since you missed the reference to the humidor.

    I know you guys come here to hang out but at least pay me the minimal respect of reading the fucking essay.

  326. “MSNBC devoted mucho minutos to trashing Christie. Didn’t bother me one bit. What did bother me was when he endorsed Trump like a little bitch.”

    Like when he gave Obama blowjobs like a little bitch.

    It doesn’t matter which one. it’s always a matter of time before you guys make an accusation of racism, or sexual misconduct, or whatever else you guys think you police at the moment. You dummies alawys go for it and excuse it from your own. Always.

  327. I swear Tigre – first stop posting sites that tell me I’ve won a free iPhone (or trip or whatever) and then won’t let me read the damn article.

    Second learn something from your friend Muffy. Find where I called Romney a racist. Even though your link blew up my browser (again) I doubt the article included a quote from Rutherford Lawson.

  328. Rutherford! I thought you went out of business! I wondered if you could really quit, but never had the time to check. Guess not.

    Just couldn’t do it, eh? Just couldn’t stop yourself from springing your abusive spouse(s) from the boob? They always say that the reason abused spouses stay in a relationship is they get a secondary gain from it.

    Very important election coming up for you. American voters are stupid. What was it Churchill said? “You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after they have tried everything else.”

    Dark days are coming for US, my friend. Very dark days. Think Albania. Hope you (personally) survive Hillary’s death panels.

    Cheers. Parker.

  329. Welcome back Pf Parker.

    I like the song. Pogue or Pog during the Vietnam war was a derisive term for someone who never left the base.

    We need another debate after the bimbo attacks. A musical would be fun.

  330. R, I have enough sense to use ad blocker so I wouldn’t know about your pop ups. Try Opera VPN (free) if it’s you cheap phone doing it. Just quit bitching. You’re supposed to know how to navigate around the internet.

    As for Romney’s racism, I’ll travel on probabilities rather than trying to search your comments. If MSNBC and the liberal fuckheads on teevee said it, you repeated it. And they said it. Dog whistles. Always dog whistles. Guilt by association. Of course he was racist. He’s white. Privileged. And Mormon for fuck’s sake. He was born racist. He was especially racist since Obama is black — that always makes you extra-racist.

    Romney was a dark, dark man that that supported rape and selling fetuses if you looked close enough at what Bain Capital was doing — even after he left. Oh, and that wife of his you hated for reasons you just couldn’t put your finger on. You ate it up. I am confident you had some allusion to dog whistles and racism and probably sexual predator, like that other icon of rape culture, McCain. Remember when your hero, Snearin’ Chaz Maddow, mocked Romney for appearing in a photo with his black adopted granddaughter?

    “What I missed was the man’s basic decency.”

    Gee. Why was that? Not hard to find. Real head scratcher.

    Perhaps your should look back to see the endless stream of bullshit you gobbled up that is apparently clouded by your very recent disillusionment. Racist has to be in there. It’s always in there. I’m thinking dog whistles.

  331. R since I come out quite early with a post specific comment I feel justified in slapping you a little now on past posts.
    You hated Mitt Romney for the 47%,for fallacies perpetuated by the leftist media drones and last but by no means least the fucking binders of women.
    You were a staunch and loyal partisan and never gave the guy a chance until his political post mortem whence YOU finally looked with your own eyes and saw what others saw, an incredibly decent,caring and very intelligent man.

  332. R, I have enough sense to use ad blocker so I wouldn’t know about your pop ups.

    Shame you don’t have enough sense to stay off shitty web sites. As for the rest of your Sunday lecture, you were right on one thing I forgot about. Ann Romney – very angry woman. I said so then. I say so now.

  333. You were a staunch and loyal partisan and never gave the guy a chance until his political post mortem whence YOU finally looked with your own eyes and saw what others saw, an incredibly decent,caring and very intelligent man.

    Alfie I think I said as much in this thread. What I don’t recall is calling the man a racist which is the specific charge against me.

    And a yes to Tigre: Mormonism was a racist religion until the tax man complained and then suddenly God told them to change their tune.

  334. Pence accuses Dickerson of being in the tank for Hillary on Face the Nation and then Dickerson’s opening questions to Kaine (right after) deal with RUSSIA and not the content of the leaks. Dickerson proved Pence’s point.

    You can’t make this shit up.

  335. “you were right on one thing I forgot about. Ann Romney – very angry woman. I said so then. I say so now.”

    I have 2 words that will surpass ANY amount of anger that Ann Romney has ever displayed.

    Michelle Obama

  336. All I can think about right now is the time when Michelle Obama disguised herself to look like an average person and went to Target like an average person and then some old white lady treated her like an average person and she cried racism. She was so pissed off about it, she told the story multiple times.

    You might wonder why her husband never came to that old lady’s defense, telling us all that if his racist grandmother was still alive she might have looked like her.

    Of course, remembering the time the sitting President of the United States abdicated the podium, claiming that he was afraid of keeping her waiting might be a sufficient answer to that one.

    Michelle Obama is by far the angriest First Lady we’ve had in the last century and maybe ever.

  337. I have mixed feelings about Michelle Obama. That shopping story she told was told two different ways which may be even more damning because she changed the story to fit some political point she was making. Her public speaking ability is also overrated. In fact I find all the fawning over her speech last week rather patronizing.

    That said, I am offended by the ad hominem attacks against her.

  338. “you were right on one thing I forgot about. Ann Romney – very angry woman. I said so then. I say so now.”

    I was right on everything. You were an unsufferable, MSNBC-addled shit bag when it came to Romney.

    And nothing has changed about him since then. It’s you. Your shit-bag intellectual overlords aren’t focused on him. If they were, you’d go right back to nodding along with them. Your politics demands it.

  339. Excellent suggestion.

    I’m completing my tax returns and have had to deal with onslaught of increased 2017 costs/tax for my firm. I am mighty wound up.

  340. I can’t believe on Meet the Press that Chuck Todd said one person’s word is the same as a substantiated claim.

    I still can’t determine if we are seeing stupidity or manipulation.

  341. If you watch carefully you see even subtle skewing. Case in point:

    On Meet the Press they feature a sound bite from an average citizen Clinton supporter and a Trump supporter. The HRC supporter mentions Trumps sex allegations. All the Trump supporter says is “I don’t know how anyone can vote for Hillary”, no reason, nothing damning.

    Even the way they portray the supporters skews toward Hillary.

  342. “I still can’t determine if we are seeing stupidity or manipulation”.

    Meanwhile, new daily proof of manipulation is there for all to see. Face palm!!!!!!!

    As for Chuck fucking Todd. Oh yeah… An real independent journalist. Chuck… This must stop!

  343. “I’m completing my tax returns and have had to deal with onslaught of increased 2017 costs/tax for my firm. I am mighty wound up.”

    Don’t forget to pay more than you are required to. Just call it a “patriotism tax.”

    You never know when you might want to run for president and such overpayment will have been required for years in advance.

  344. Rutherford, when you turn on the teevee (assuming you ever turn it off) you are seeing MANipulation™. The stupidity takes place at the viewing end. That is your participation in the programming. The second truth is this. Any time a politician opens his mouth he is selling his corporation’s agenda. He isn’t speaking for himself as he is not his own. His very words are totally owned and given him/her. If it is truth, it is because they want to give away truth. Most of the time that is only primer for a lie.

  345. It’s arrogance Rutherford. Elites are confident they can pull shit off like they were running an Orwellian Ministry because time and time again they’ve gotten away with it.
    Shepherds might respect the sheep but the sheep owner sure the fuck doesn’t.

  346. Actually Poolman, Trumps gesticulations are pretty funny. He alternates between the a-ok and just his index finger sticking out. Yesterday I watched a rally where his alternation of these two gestures changed per word for about three words.

  347. “Rabbit serious question. Do any independent journalists still exist?”

    Nope. So read the damb emails yourself.

  348. “The most important revelation in the WikiLeaks dump of John Podesta’s emails has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. The messages go all the way back to 2008, when Podesta served as co-chair of President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team. And a month before the election, the key staffing for that future administration was almost entirely in place, revealing that some of the most crucial decisions an administration can make occur well before a vote has been cast.”

    https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton

  349. Wow that’s some ground breaking journalism there on behalf of the New Republic.[sarcasm]
    Sure to provide fodder for the weak minded conspiracist set and general public lemming rabble the article is fucking juvenile and not without agenda drippings of its own.

    Rutherford you might find the article interesting if for no other reason to tweak whether you can still believe the progressive/uber liberal wing of the democratic party actually has a future. TNR and Salon certainly are holding out hope even though they don’t have anyone other than Warren and Sanders,both not long for the mortal plane, to hold up as standard bearers. DeBlasio and Cuomo are disgracing the brand in NY and are in no way a threat to lead on the national stage. I can’t think of anyone else that would alter the DNC trajectory of playing the socialists during the primaries,switching to identity politics in the general and then running a technocratic crony capitalist term.
    You know of anyone?

  350. You know of anyone?

    18 months ago the Dem bench was nonexistent. Bernie and Lizzie were the only potential challenges to HRC. As far as I’m concerned there’s no one else.

    Maybe between now and 2020 another Kennedy will emerge. I like Cory Booker but he’s not progressive. Very protective of Wall St. Gavin Newsom has the politics and the looks but I’m not sure about his national ambitions.

  351. “Gavin Newsom has the politics and the looks but I’m not sure about his national ambitions.”

    Next governor of California.

  352. Or maybe people are wondering what’s going on with Hillary what you called a non-bombshell, like the FBI being pressured and bribed to try and help Hillary’s emails to be deemed unclassified. By comparison, the Trump shit is a big nothingburger.

    There again, maybe the media is feeling the heat about its exposed interconnection with the Hillary campaign. How do you like the record of 96% journalists donating to Hillary?

    Well, time to go watch MSNBC to see what’s important in the world. 🙄

  353. Now that we have video documented proof of Soros and Clinton goons sending their “Brownshirts” to Trump rallies, I guess my only question is WHEN, or do we just go down without a whimper?

  354. Oh, Bubbles probably won;t mention it, here’s an link for your R:

    Coverage is one thing – deflection is another. The FBI – State Dept thingie got extensive coverage yesterday on MSNBC – but all coverage declared it ultimately a nothingburger. The various correspondents twisted themselves in knots to minimize the story.

    I can’t lose November 8. Either Hillary wins and the GOP gets the humiliation they deserve for nominating a boob OR Trump wins and the lying media get the pie in the face they deserve for actively trying to get Hillary elected instead of being an objective reporter of the news.

    Sadly, either way, the country loses.

  355. “I can’t lose November 8. Either Hillary wins and the GOP gets the humiliation they deserve for nominating a boob OR Trump wins and the lying media get the pie in the face they deserve for actively trying to get Hillary elected instead of being an objective reporter of the news.”

    One is much worse.

    You all have a chance to weaken presidential power and stop corruption or strengthen presidential power and solidify corruption spanning multiple executive branch agencies and 90% of the media.

  356. “You all have a chance to weaken presidential power…”

    I still don’t get this. At all.

    When has Trump ever suggested he was interested in weakening presidential power? I have not seen even a hint of it.

    I fully believe that he would circumvent a Congress that would be sure to stop his almost every move. I also fully believe that he would use Obama-esque tactics against the media. Yeah, the media is full of shit, but we didn’t respond very well when Obama was singling out media outlets in his State of the Union address and threatening investigative reporters with federal prosecution. I see Trump carrying on such practices if he had the chance. And if we approve of it we are exposing our own hypocrisy.

    Donald Trump has good qualities he would bring, but he does not strike me as someone who is into the idea of a weak executive any more than the idea of Congressional consent and oversight. He will viciously attack his enemies, as we have seen. That’s great when we share the same enemy, but what about when we don’t?

    He may well be the lesser of 2 evils, but I don’t think he is going do much of what asserted in that comment.

  357. You lose either way, R. One makes it clearly visible you’re a party to corruption. The other guarantees your cheating ways are going to be exposed.

    As to your personal life? One will guarantee you a slow bleed; the other will send you to hell quickly.

    Hate to say this, but in your predicament, it’s look bleak. You better start stoking some cash. When this market tanks, your chances for recovery are over with, and then death follows.

  358. “When has Trump ever suggested he was interested in weakening presidential power? I have not seen even a hint of it” .

    Huck, who’s going to have his back? When Obama went rogue on Libya, it wasn’t even really mentioned. Trump will have media coming after him non stop.

    Trump also has no friends in his own party.

    Of course Trump doesn’t want to weaken Presidential power. But he will.

    Plus, after the Obama-Trump one-two punch, perhaps there will be more of a consensus to check power.

    Clinton, on the other hand, will be unstoppable.

  359. Huck put it more politely and more erudite than I was going to.

    A man with the ego the size of Lake Michigan who tends toward Mussolini rather than Gandhi is going to weaken executive power?

    Rabbit you’re smoking the same shit Gary Johnson is.

  360. Tex you remain under the mistaken impression that I blame any particular president for my personal troubles.

    My destiny is my responsibility. Neither Trump nor HRC can or will save me.

    P.S. I’m about 80% out of the market. Unless there’s a run on the banks, Wall Street can suck it.

  361. I agree with rabbit.
    You will lose in another way, Rutherford. After Obamacare disintegrates into a British type national health care system, rationing will take you from the life track and into the far side of triage.

    Zeke Imanuel has said the equivalent of death panels exists. The chosen people are younger than you and physically healthy.

    I hope you keep living, so take care of yourself.

    A Gallop poll shows only 1% of Russians view Obama’s leadership with favor. So much for the reset.

    Drudge links to a National Enquirer story about the Clinton’s bag man who found trysts for Hillary.

    It is probably as true as Trump’s bimbo attacks and merely a Trump counter attack.

  362. Once the rationing takes place, I think Rutherford should do the right thing and self report to the glue factory. I mean think about it: old, handicapped, unemployed.

  363. “My destiny is my responsibility. Neither Trump nor HRC can or will save me.”

    Yet either can destroy you.

    Wait until you see what Obamacare has in store for you. You’ll have nightmares Pelosi carrying that giant novelty gavel falsely claiming to be attacked and spit on by protesters.

    Yes We Can!

  364. Either Hillary wins and the GOP gets the humiliation they deserve for nominating a boob OR Trump wins and the lying media get the pie in the face they deserve for actively trying to get Hillary elected instead of being an objective reporter of the news.

    If Baba Yaga wins, everybody loses.

    It’s arguable that the GOP nominated the Trumpster Fire, given the fact of open primaries and known crossover votes…but they bear the blame of the stupidity of keeping their primaries open in most places, and that SHOULD be a problem for them.

    I don’t care if the media gets a pie in their faces. I’d prefer some frog marching for the obvious and blatant electioneering under the guise and protection of “objectivity”. Pour les encourager les autres.

  365. Romney would have been worse y’all.

    Just think about that when you’re deciding the appropriate weight to give these opinions on what Trump “would” do.

    You can let Hillary happen if you want, I don’t plan to.

  366. DR, I guess I can understand your logic when framed that way. I still don’t know if I agree with the conclusion, but I can see how you got there.

  367. The Deep State? That’s a new one. More Alex Jones terminology no doubt.

    Sorry, whenever I see Putin with subtitles I think of those Hitler videos with the fake subtitles. Until I learn Russian, I don’t trust the subtitles.

  368. Greetings from cloudy New Brunswick 🇨🇦
    I see Obama is going to push for community based anti-extremist intervention programs. Britain did this… doesn’t work Barry but localizing DHS probably has other purposes.
    The cousins really don’t understand our election choices although they lean Clinton.
    Cheers.

  369. The Deep State? That’s a new one. More Alex Jones terminology no doubt.

    People have eluded to the deep state over the years. But because your English speakers on teevee don’t discuss it, it must just be conspiracy. Right?

    “Writers, journalists, political scientists and political activists in the United States have for decades expressed concerns about the existence of a deep state or state within a state, which they suspect secretly controls public policy, regardless of which party controls the country’s democratic institutions.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/fbi-releases-100-new-pages-on-clinton-email-probe.html

  370. Actually it IS a conspiracy. I should have said just ‘theory’.

    One revelation in the documents came from an interview with an unidentified person who suggested that Freedom of Information Act requests related to Clinton went through a group sometimes called “the Shadow Government.”

    “There was a powerful group of very high-ranking STATE officials that some referred to as ‘The 7th Floor Group’ or ‘The Shadow Government.’ This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records, and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries,” the FBI’s interview summary said.

    The Shadow Government, or 7th Floor Group

  371. “The cousins really don’t understand our election choices although they lean Clinton.”

    Never met a Canadian that doesn’t lean socialist. And I’ve spent some days in Nova Scotia. . . and New Brunswick too. I loved them and the people. But their political sensibilities always struck me as kinda dopey.

  372. My Canadian cousins are also liberal, as in Nova Scotia, but they live in the East. The Prairie Provinces have some conservatives.

  373. Never met a Canadian that doesn’t lean socialist. And I’ve spent some days in Nova Scotia. . . and New Brunswick too. I loved them and the people. But their political sensibilities always struck me as kinda dopey.<<<

    I met Preston Manning and Deborah Grey when I was there. One of the guys in my office kept trying to get me to me with Garth Turner when I was there, too.

  374. I see now why the agitators punching people and terrorizing skinny white college kids at Trump’s UIC rally were so clear about being Bernie supporters.

    The Dem operative overseeing the violent disruptions – the intent of which was to draw punches in response from Trump supporters – served as go-between the Clinton campaign and the DNC. The slimy worm visited the WH 342 times, 47 times meeting with the son of a bitch-in-chief himself.

    You can’t edit what what isn’t said.

    But Trump said pussy.

  375. Crazy isn’t, Muffy. The piece of utter shit President was waging violence… Fucking violence!!!!! on fellow Americans.

  376. I just noticed the writer is that douche punch guy.

    I didn’t understand that. I skimmed the article and didn’t see any reference to the guy that stirred trouble at Trump rallies.

  377. The piece of utter shit President was waging violence… Fucking violence!!!!! on fellow Americans.

    Wow did you stretch there. Thank God you’re not an attorney. I don’t care how many times Obama met with the guy. You have zero evidence Obama authorized or instigated any violence.

  378. I’m sure Obama knew nothing about it. Just like her email server.

    “During the 2008 and 2012 Presidential Elections he worked with the Democratic National Committee as a consultant to the Obama Presidential Campaign coordinating field based rapid response to Republican Presidential candidates.

    During his career, Creamer has worked on hundreds of electoral campaigns at the local, state and national level.

    Creamer began his organizing career in 1970 working with Chicago’s Citizen Action Program (CAP), which had been organized by Saul Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation. CAP successfully campaigned to reduce the sulfur dioxide in Chicago’s air by almost two thirds.

    In 1974 he founded the Illinois Public Action Council – later known as Illinois Citizen Action – which became the state’s largest consumer advocacy organization and progressive political coalition. He directed the organization for 23 years.

    Creamer has been a full time political consultant since 1997 when he co-founded the Strategic Consulting Group, now a component part of Democracy Partners.

    He graduated from Duke University and did graduate work at the University of Chicago.

    He is a board member of the Midwest Academy organizer training institute and the Sentencing Project which is seeking to end mass incarceration and reform the nation’s sentencing laws.

    Creamer is an author and regular contributor to the Huffington Post. He is married to Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky from Illinois. His recent book is titled, Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win.”

    http://democracypartners.com/?q=partners/robert-creamer

  379. “You have zero evidence Obama authorized or instigated any violence”

    Why would I ever give Obama the benefit of the doubt? Can you think of any time when he wasn’t lying?

  380. Come to think of it, every allegation we’ve ever made about the man, outside of the foolman’s insanity, has turned out to be true.

  381. And then there’s Scott.

    “Scott Foval also references Shirley Teeter, a 69-year-old woman who claims that she was assaulted at a Trump rally in North Carolina. “She was one of our activists,” he says.”

    You remember Shirley.

    “Dramatic video has emerged of people chasing down a man believed to have punched a 69-year-old woman on oxygen at a Donald Trump rally, showing the escalation of emotions from both protesters and supporters.”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-video-shows-the-aftermath-of-1473857090-htmlstory.html

  382. R – the Sirota guy is referred to as “the douche punch guy” because of that picture (I think her had it as his FB or Twitter avatar)

  383. Chris Wallace asks the crowd if they have ever been to a Presidential Debate before and the majority raise their hands. Wtf?

  384. Remember when “Fifty Shades of Gray” became a nationwide bestseller and it rocked Michelle Obama to the core of her soul?


    I wonder if Madonna punched Michelle Obama in the core of her soul when she volunteered to suck off anyone who voted for Hillary.


    Trump does need to stop whining, but I’m not sure the guy who spent 8 years crying about the Supreme Court, Congress, past presidents, current world leaders, and the weather is the right person to deliver that message.

    Sorry, I don’t have Twitter so I had to get those out here.

  385. I’d vote for Hillary in trade a 1988 Madonna bj. Unfortunately, those veiny human growth hormone arms she has now disgust me.

  386. Chris Wallace won the debate. The first moderator not to get into the mud and then wonder why the debate gets toxic. HE kept things civil.

    By Trumpian standards Donald did fine. Never had a meltdown. Didn’t throw the kitchen sink like everyone thought he would.

    However, Hillary made the strongest superficial argument. While she was in the situation room watching Bin Laden meet his maker, Donald was on Celebrity Apprentice. Sorry folks, you can yell till your face turns blue. THAT is the absurdity of this election and that is why the GOP deserves to lose.

  387. All I could do is retch at the thought of what Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Chris Christy, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, etc.etc.etc…

    Could have done to that feckless and horrid woman in a debate. Hillary Clinton is a canned platitude ripe for the pickin’.

    Sorry guys and gals. I’ll be pulling the Trump lever but The Donald blew these debates big time. Good Lord, the table was set and Donald went to the wrong restaurant.

    Hillary Clinton would have been toast…and sadly, should have been toast.

  388. Rabbit, deflect all you like. You voted like an idiot. My community organizer won TWICE. Your reality TV star MAY get defeated Mondale style, losing the Senate too. If your aim was to stop Hillary, you made the dumbest move possible.

    Turn in your MENSA card dude. Your best bet when Donald comes up in discussion is to keep your mouth shut.

  389. Donald made one critical mistake tonight, playing right into the left wing media’s hands. He did not commit to honor the election results. When he did that, he lost the debate. It is ALL the media is going to talk about now.

  390. “However, Hillary made the strongest superficial argument. While she was in the situation room watching Bin Laden meet his maker, Donald was on Celebrity Apprentice.”

    That’s because Trump has a strong jab but a very weak counter-punch.

    Without having yet watched, I’ll just say to that he should have responded “and where were you when Ambassador Chris Stevens was being murdered?” That would have annihilated her.

  391. Good Lord, the table was set and Donald went to the wrong restaurant.

    Tex, when Hillary bragged about defending children I was waiting for Donald to hit the child rape thing. He didn’t. He NEVER brought up the State dept looking for quid pro quo with the FBI. WTF is wrong with him? That was debate malfeasance.

  392. “My community organizer won TWICE.”

    And the MSN lost their minds, the R’s lost their will, the D’s lost their souls, and the country lost everything.

    Congratulations.

  393. Hillary isn’t a bad apple. The Democrat party is corrupt from the top down to the last purchased soul. Obama is covering his own ass and Hillary is the beneficiary. Not one Democrat in office has an ounce of honor. Every last one deserves not just to lose their jobs but to be exhiled.

  394. “I think his handlers told him to look “presidential”

    In that case, I guess the appropriate response would have begun with “Chris Stevens called and he…”

  395. You guys aren’t still hoping for a real debate, are you? If you believe hard enough, somehow magically, it will become real? Praying by the light of the teevee for some justice and truth? That is pretty pathetic. And you guys question my faith. 🙄

    Try to understand how well you’ve been had. Many have said this appeared to be a setup. Trump, a good friend of the Clintons, entering the race as controlled opposition. Here is another who follows the facts to their logical conclusion.

    http://www.jpost.com/Blogs/A-College-Perspective/Friend-and-Foe-Donald-Trump-Is-Working-for-Hillary-Clinton-463810

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