Let’s Talk Birther

Let me start by saying I am not nor have ever been a birther. With that said there’s a good deal of intellectual dishonesty surrounding coverage of this issue. 

Who Started It

The only TV pundit who has hit the origins of birtherism head on has been MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough. Not only did he acknowledge that the movement started in 2008 among Clinton supporters, he went so far as to say this weakens Hillary’s ability to attack Trump on the subject. 

The protests that the Clinton “campaign” did not start birtherism is a distinction without a difference. A low level staffer in Iowa pushed it (and was fired), Clinton strategist Mark Penn toyed with it, and Clinton best bud Sid Blumenthal outright said Obama was born in Kenya. I found no record of Hillary herself actively denouncing it. Furthermore, Hillary famously hinted in a “60 Minutes” interview that Obama might be Muslim – he’s a Christian “as far as I know”. 

Hillary needs to let the media fight this on her behalf and just shut up. Her hands are not clean. 

Chris Matthews Nutty Argument Against Birtherism 

Of all the pundits outraged by Donald’s birther nonsense, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews makes the nuttiest argument by putting preposterous logic behind birtherism that was never there in the first place.  According to Matthews, birthers propose that Ann Dunham gave birth to Barack in Kenya and then conspired to have his birthplace changed to Hawaii so that he could one day run for President some 4 decades later. He goes on to note how utterly ludicrous this is. He’s right. It is ludicrous but it’s ludicrous on HIS part. The central premise of birtherism places no guilt on Ann Dunham, nor does it suggest she had Presidential aspirations for her son way back in 1961.  This is made up out of whole cloth by Matthews himself. 

Birtherism is Racist

This assertion is debatable and I’d like to suggest an alternative. If Jesse Jackson or Jim Clyburn had become President, I seriously doubt anyone would have questioned their birthplace. They have the slave-ancestry identity of many blacks in America. Popular wisdom says that Obama got targeted as the first black President. But Obama was also the first Hawaiian President, born there only shortly after Hawaii’s admission to the US. He was also the first President who spent a lot of his youth outside the US (Indonesia, specifically). So to claim the only thing “different” about Obama was his race is just plain dishonest. 

None of this gets The Donald off the hook for perpetuating this foolishness. I don’t think he’s racist. I think he’s an opportinistic attention whore and birtherism would get him clicks and retweets. I actually found his “backwards extortion” of Obama a few years ago far more offensive. In that incident, Trump offered to donate to the charity of Obama’s choice if Obama produced his college records. Essentially he set up a ransom scenario where the kidnapped baby was a charitable donation. Shame this wasn’t illegal cos I’d have thrown Trumps orange ass right in jail for it. 

Bottom line: birtherism was an ugly mess where no one has clean hands. Drop it and move onto the more pressing issue – our choice between a corrupt liar and a reality TV star. Reject both and VOTE JOHNSON! 

What do you think?  The bar is open. 

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781 thoughts on “Let’s Talk Birther

  1. Hillary famously hinted in a “60 Minutes” interview that Obama might be Muslim – he’s a Christian “as far as I know”.

    He doesn’t meet the criteria for either. But then if he considered himself as being either, he wouldn’t be alone in his delusion.

    Reject both and VOTE JOHNSON!

    Reject the entire evil system.

  2. Obama pretended to be a Kenyan author for years. I would bet a lot of money that he pretended to be one in college, too.

    He was Kenyan when it was cool to be one. An offended red blooded African American when it was cool to be one.

    So…. Fuck him’. Personally, I loved the birther shit.

  3. “So are we moving on from the birther thing or what?😄”

    Very relevant question. Unfortunately for the Dems….. There was no blow back on Trump’s birther shit and he played them all hilariously. So… It’s definitely time to move on. Hell, by now, I thought they would have better game against Trump.

  4. Obama’s history from child hood shows his being a chameleon was almost a necessity. He was virtually abandoned and thrown into novel cultures. His development was an attempt to survive. I saw the same process in Air Force brats.

    Had the press been interested, they would have known this.

  5. I think that Obama is secretive about his college records because, he may have declared himself to be a foreign student, when in reality, he was American. I have no basis for this feeling and I have not wasted time to develop an hypothesis, but it could have happened.

    We are still on vacation and hiked about two miles in rough terrain. I am exhausted.

  6. Re Obama pimping himself as Kenyan, Rabbit, you said this in the last thread. It was bullshit then and its bullshit here. I’ll repeat my answer to you from the last thread.

    From Wiki, this must be what Rabbit is referring to. Notice, the false info about Obama did not come from Obama. Of course, Rabbit will say she is lying.

    In 2012, Breitbart.com published a copy of a promotional booklet that Obama’s literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed in 1991 (and later posted to their website, in a biography in place until April 2007) which misidentified Obama’s birthplace and states that Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.” When this was posted by Breitbart, the booklet’s editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.

  7. Obama was picked AND was pick able secondary to his not being “slave stock”

    Your use of “secondary” is confusing me a bit but if you’re saying his “exotic” biography made his “blackness” more acceptable, I 100% agree with you.

    America is not electing a “real” black dude any time soon.

  8. I agree with Rabbit that Obama appears (and proven by his own admissions) to have been a committed chameleon all his life.

    I vociferously disagree with Rabbit’s specific claim. It’s bullshit.

    “Chameleon” is a different story. It is hard for any white (or black for that matter) to understand the difficulty of being biracial in a racially polarized society. Identity issues abound. A sense of belonging is badly compromised. My heart goes out to Obama for his struggle here.

  9. “When this was posted by Breitbart, the booklet’s editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.”

    He marketed himself as Kenyan author. There is no debating that.

    I am totally shocked… His agent, upon being called out for the marketing fiction, took the heat for his client. As if any other literary agent for the now POTUS wouldn’t do the same thing.

    By the way, they went with exotic Kenyan thing for a long time.

    The way these times are, one day those college records will be wikileaked or some shit and you will be in here eating crow like you do once a fucking week. I bet money he at one time was “Kenyan” in college. Lets put some cash on it.

  10. “the booklet’s editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.”

    The information to correct that mistake obviously wasn’t provided to her agency by Obama, either. At least not until April 2007.

    Why not? You can’t tell me a narcissist like Barack Obama didn’t read over a literary promotion of his work.

    I’d say DR is spot on the money. Obama was fine with people thinking he was foreign until he needed people to think otherwise. Which seems to have come in April 2007.

    Was there something happening around that time that might have sparked that change?

  11. Even if… And I highly doubt it, that it was a mistake by his agent, the fact is the man was for a long time publicly and professionally known as someone born in Kenya.

  12. I love how the big controversy today is that Trump said “bomb” before the bomb was confirmed to be a bomb.

    It speaks to Trump’s penchant for jumping the gun. It’s not whether he turns out to be right or wrong. It’s about his inability to keep his damn mouth shut.

  13. I love how the big controversy today is that Trump said “bomb” before the bomb was confirmed to be a bomb.

    Lol. Yes, Hillary dropped a bomb on Trump when she told the press it was irresponsible of Trump to call it a bomb after she herself seconds earlier referred to it as a bomb.

    Pathetic.

  14. And can you believe two different literary agents went with the spicy Kenyan born motif?

    For such an expert on this topic, why don’t you ever post links? I actually documented your case for you AND predicted how you’d react to it. I was spot on.

  15. after she herself seconds earlier referred to it as a bomb.
    Pathetic.

    Actually I believe her first response was that she wasn’t going to comment until more facts were known.

    Both candidates were criticized for not showing any concern for the injured.

  16. “For such an expert on this topic, why don’t you ever post links? I actually documented your case for you AND predicted how you’d react to it. I was spot on.”

    Thanks for providing the links and making me spot on.

  17. “It speaks to Trump’s penchant for jumping the gun. It’s not whether he turns out to be right or wrong. It’s about his inability to keep his damn mouth shut”

    As opposed to 8 years of Obama doing the same thing but never being right.

  18. Hey Rabbit, why don’t you deal with what is really sociologically relevant about the topic … what I alluded to earlier in the thread … the difficulty of being biracial in this country.

    Hat tip to James for going there.

  19. Why would he need to keep his mouth shut when what he said was correct?

    Had he been wrong, I’d be right there with you. But he wasn’t. He called it a bomb and it was a bomb.

    The press needs to turn this into a controversy because their gal’s poll numbers are giving way faster than her elderly knees are.

    Like Nate Silver mentioned, the panic is setting in. I’m still not voting Trump, but I am laughing my ass off.

  20. As opposed to 8 years of Obama doing the same thing but never being right.

    I saw that coming. I’ve said in the past that O should keep his damn mouth shut. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  21. “Hey Rabbit, why don’t you deal with what is really sociologically relevant about the topic … what I alluded to earlier in the thread … the difficulty of being biracial in this country.”

    Because it’s more fun to bag on Obama for being the fucking liar that he is and always has been and always will be.

  22. While we’re on Trump’s communication skills, has anyone here checked his Twitter feed lately? He remains as juvenile as hell. Will this shit persist in the White House or will they take his devices away?

  23. I’m Barry, I’m Barack, I’m Soetero, I’m Obama, I’m Barack Hussein Obama. Chameleon.
    Add to it raised by whitey weirdoes and his time in Indonesia and hoighty schools in Indonesia and Hawaii he’s a natural born and nurtured chameleon.
    Then his adult life of marrying an undeniably black women and embracing TUCC while still hearing the muzzien in his head blah blah I’m happy to be the junior Senator from Illinois blah blah.

  24. Did he use the term “knife” for the unverified incident involving a group of purportedly bleeding people in MN? If so, he’s unfit.

  25. He called it a bomb and it was a bomb.
    The press needs to turn this into a controversy because their gal’s poll numbers are giving way faster than her elderly knees are.

    This is a case where you’re right and wrong simultaneously. If I’m not mistaken, when Trump spoke, the NY authorities had not ruled out a construction site explosion vs a criminal act. So Trump would have been better served to say “let’s get more details”.

    But you’re also right. The Clinton camp is crapping it’s pants over Hillary’s evaporating lead and the MSM is right there with them.

  26. From the previous thread:

    If the apostles thought that Jesus rose from the dead, they were deceived. If they knew He did not rise, then they were deceivers. You can start there or concede that there is no credible alternative explanation. – Muffy

    Yes, you’ve captured the two alternatives. I favor the first one, as I stated elsewhere in the previous thread.

    And to Tex I ask with no mockery intended, if only a God can create something as complex as the world in which we live, why can’t that same super-intelligent God get rid of the kinks? If you were God, wouldn’t it have made more sense for you to create a finite population of beings who never fight, never starve, never die?

    I would find your case more credible if you just said God is a sadistic SOB who deliberately denied us the wisdom to manage ourselves and enjoys watching us continually fuck things up.

    I’m no expert on Greek and Roman mythology but at least they gave their Gods a personality and a specific purpose (God of war, Goddess of love, etc).

  27. Not caring about football or politics really frees one’s spirit. Not investing time and energy in those diversions frees up time and energy for more meaningful endeavors. But be aware enough to avoid the stadium traffic.

    I am ignorant as to what the teevee decides is fun and important. That is one reason I come here, to catch up. 😀 Pavlov ain’t got nothing on the tube.

  28. “Two Sundays in a row I didn’t watch an NFL play”

    I just can’t help myself. I know I shouldn’t, but I have way too much fun watching the Broncos.

    I really don’t care about any of the other teams. Although I am wishing the Rams well, only because they are now the “local” team and because their success doesn’t cross paths with the success of my team.

  29. if only a God can create something as complex as the world in which we live, why can’t that same super-intelligent God get rid of the kinks?

    Not to be sarcastic in return, but shouldn’t we first agree there is a Creator before you accuse God of being a sadistic SOB? And if you can agree to that, you can agree that the faults of man screwing things up are the doings of man?

    By the way from the previous thread, you do realize don’t you that there were far more than 11 disciples, brothers, and an adopted mother and birth mother that were witnesses to the eye witness accounts of Jesus, don’t you?

    And if you understand that, you are aware Jesus own half-brothers thought He was a kook for time and an embarrassment to the family, before they too became convinced?

  30. “Mass hallucination? All those people, all that time?”

    If I’m not mistaken (which I very well might be), the disciples were told by like 2 or 3 women that Jesus had risen and instructed them to spread the word and evangelize.

    I just know I’m going to regret entering this discussion lol

  31. @ Huck – do you think Rutherford knows the answer to that? This is his theory.

    Even 3 different witnesses would strain the credibility of hallucination. And yes the list is much longer than that starting with all of the disciples.

  32. I was reading Huck’s question when it dawned on me Rutherford that you need to answer “what are all these kinks?”

    Does gravity fail you then and again? Do the seasons not change year after year? Does the sun not rise every morning, and set in the evening? Does our orbit change, or the moon not rotate and the tide stop?

    It would seem to me Rutherford that the laws of nature required to be perfect and static, are indeed perfect and static. I ask this because it seems to me God provides a world without kinks, while man is the one that ‘kinks’ it up.

    Do you Rutherford ever give thought to how little we really know about our universe? For instance, while most people have do not know this, while we can measure gravity and even predict its forces to a degree thanks to a couple of really smart guys named Newton and Einstein, we really have no idea how gravity works and neither did they.

  33. If you were God, wouldn’t it have made more sense for you to create a finite population of beings who never fight, never starve, never die?

    Rutherford, it all boils down to freewill, something humans and angels share in common.

    Certainly there was order before created beings with freewill. Lucifer was a glorious creation and served in the presence of the Father. He decided he wanted to be worshiped, revolted and took a third of these createds with him. They came to this realm and took over paradise. They chose poorly, but made their choice nonetheless. He is smart and deceptive, but the Son tricked him and won us and this place back for the Father.

    Many say that was the plan all along. You can’t have an omelet unless you break some eggs. Some of strongest and most beautiful things are borne of heat and stress. Who are we to question? We should be grateful for the opportunity.

    There is victory, but not everyone sees it. We are all caught in the struggle. The physical is a MANifestation™ of the spiritual battle taking place. We project reality on us and others. It is a real wonderland for those with the keys. This journey is a test. We are tested with every choice. It is a pass/fail without a bell curve.

    So a Father that wants His creation to show Him honor allows dishonor to exist in order to prove that He is worthy of all honor. Make sense? He also figured if He presented Himself as a vulnerable baby, we might learn to love without fear.

  34. For many days. Multiple people having the same hallucination, many having it at the same time.

    Or did you mean something else by “deceived?”

  35. What really strains the credibility of hallucination is the power of its time, the Roman Empire and assigned to guard the tomb under the threat of execution if a seal broken, couldn’t squelch the rumors of a risen messiah, though all they had to do to squelch the rumors was present a body. In addition, the Sanhedrin, the ruling body of the Jewish nation, couldn’t produce a body either, though it was a member of the Sanhedrin that donated the tomb the dead body buried and it was the Sanhedrin that was most threatened.

    Add to the fact, those kind of rumors would have been perceived as a threat to the Roman Empire, so much so, Rome executed men and women for believing as much, much less claiming to be a messiah.

    Yet less than 400 years later, the Roman Empire helped usher in Western Civilization under the banner of the very Christ they had previously executed.

    But before we ever get to that argument, I think men like Rutherford owe us a few explanations. Like the physical constructs that created a universe so enormous, we are relegated to making up a euphemism called the “Big Bang” to explain it, though we have no idea how to measure the enormity of the event, much less explain it.

    As my very smart oldest daughter once said to me, to deny the existence of an obvious Creator, you have to humiliate your own reason to conclude something so purposely and willfully ignorant.

  36. If I’m not mistaken (which I very well might be), the disciples were told by like 2 or 3 women that Jesus had risen and instructed them to spread the word and evangelize.

    And you are but hit ‘post comment’ anyway.

    The women were the first and then he appeared to them all as they hid inside behind locked doors. He walked through the shut door. But Thomas wasn’t there, so he famously doubted. But then Jesus appeared again when He was there. And for 40 days. Many other dead people were also raised when he was. They eventually died again, but Jesus ascended.

  37. “And yes the list is much longer than that starting with all of the disciples.”

    I only read 2 or 3 books of scripture as part of a history class and they only mentioned the women.

    What I thought was much more interesting is what came after. The evangelizing and early formations of what became the organized religion. Setting up the regional hierarchies and such. I’m a very structural person, so that stood out to me.

  38. “And you are but hit ‘post comment’ anyway.”

    Give me a break here, man, I am venturing WAY outside of my box here and only working from a limited and secular understanding of some readings.

    But with that admission (as if it were needed) I am also done 🙂

  39. “Give me a break here, man…”

    Dont listen to him.

    “What I thought was much more interesting is what came after…”

    Not me. If I could be alive for any one day in history it would be that day.

  40. “What really strains the credibility of hallucination is the power of its time, the Roman Empire and assigned to guard the tomb under the threat of execution if a seal broken, couldn’t squelch the rumors of a risen messiah, though all they had to do to squelch the rumors was present a body.”

    Right?

    “But before we ever get to that argument, I think men like Rutherford owe us a few explanations…”

    I couldnt agree more!

  41. Not me. If I could be alive for any one day in history it would be that day.

    If by “that day” you mean the day of resurrection, I might like to have been there too so I would know the truth.

    I find it frustrating that we can’t agree on the details of modern history yet you are willing to stake your life on history written thousands of years ago by people whose credibility you cannot vouch for.

    That is why it’s called faith.

  42. “And you are but hit ‘post comment’ anyway.”

    Actually, by your own admission I’m not wrong.

    “The women were the first…”

    Which is what I wrote.

    I didn’t say he didn’t appear to the others at some point (like in Galilee). I said the women were the first and told the others. Is that not what it says in Mark (“9 [[Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons. 10 She went out and told those who had been with him, while they were mourning and weeping.”)

    and Matthew (“He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen…”)

    and Luke (“Moreover, some women of our group astounded us. They were at the tomb early this morning, 23 and when they did not find his body there, they came back and told us that they had indeed seen a vision of angels who said that he was alive.”)?

    And now I don’t need your break. I’ve proven what I said is what is written. My stated order of events was right and you can fuck off.

  43. Huck joked about the risks of entering this discussion, and I don’t plan to. You either believe or you don’t, and as long as you don’t impede my faith, you can believe or disbelieve anything you want.

    Were I able to relive one day in history, I would travel to the day Obama was a newborn baby in his crib to strangle the infant. Maybe I would have picked Hillary or perhaps Karl Marx. For better or worse history would change, and I would probably burn in Hell. You might be there too, Rutherford, and we could hi five each other.

  44. Forget him, Huck. It takes a bigger man to simply admit he only has the accompanying details and still be willing to join in the discussion. The shortcoming is not yours.

    And you don’t have to be a theologian to make interesting discussion points either, which is what you did.

  45. Actually, by your own admission I’m not wrong.

    “The women were the first…”

    Which is what I wrote.

    This is what you wrote:

    If I’m not mistaken (which I very well might be), the disciples were told by like 2 or 3 women that Jesus had risen and instructed them to spread the word and evangelize.

    He did not instruct the women to evangelize. The women found the tomb empty and the stone rolled away. An angel (or 2 depending on account) told them that Jesus had risen. They went to tell THAT to the disciples. After resurrection He APPEARED to Mary Magdalene FIRST. Then He appeared among the disciples. And for a period of 40 days He would appear among the people before he ascended.

    You said 2 or 3 women saw Him after resurrection and THEY were instructed to ‘spread the word and evangelize’.

    That is NOT a distinction without a difference.

    But if it caused you to search it out and learn, I’ll shoulder your insults.

  46. I find it frustrating that we can’t agree on the details of modern history yet you are willing to stake your life on history written thousands of years ago by people whose credibility you cannot vouch for.

    Anyone who has asked Jesus into their heart as Lord and Savior knows He is real. We don’t need to trust the written history held within the institutions of men if we know the person Himself.

    And it is SO easy to do. No striving. He says COME and He will give you rest. And PEACE that passes ALL understanding.

    But it means surrendering all, including your will to Him. His yoke is EASY and His burden LIGHT.

    In Him we live and move and have our being.

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  48. LOL I realized last night Muffy played me for a sucker. I’m nose deep in another futile conversation about religion and I’m saying to myself “why do you go there?” And then I realize I DIDN’T GO THERE!!! Muffy made a leap from my criticism of Poolman to my religious views and just like Pavlov’s dog, I heard the bell and performed.

    James is right. Discussion of religion between believers and non’s is a fool’s errand. You either have faith or you don’t.

    Muffy, you win. Like a fool, I took your bait. See ya next weekend.

  49. Rutherford likes to probe the logic – or more accurately what he finds illogical – of the beliefs of others. He’s also fond of passing judgment on the intellect, mental wellness, and morality of others.

    Fair game. And who doesn’t?

    But it’s about time Rutherford put his own beliefs up to the same scrutiny. His questions have been answered time and time and time and time again. It’s about time Rutherford answer some of our questions.

    I’m very simply asking Rutherford to explain what he believes. To explain his own statements he’s made over the years. To explain his logic.

  50. “Huck joked about the risks of entering this discussion, and I don’t plan to. You either believe or you don’t, and as long as you don’t impede my faith, you can believe or disbelieve anything you want.” -James

    Good.

    “If by “that day” you mean the day of resurrection, I might like to have been there too so I would know the truth.”

    An excellent reason.

  51. If Jesus is who He says He is, I would think everyone would want to check Him out. Taste and see that the Lord is good. If not, what do you hope to gain by all your worldly effort? It is good to debate these eternal matters while we can. As iron sharpens iron…

  52. “…And then I realize I DIDN’T GO THERE!!!

    So…what…you’re not taking any questions today?

    You go there plenty. You don’t want to go there this time because you aren’t controlling the questions.

    “James is right. Discussion of religion between believers and non’s is a fool’s errand. You either have faith or you don’t.”

    I assume there will be no more questions from you then.

    Anyway this isn’t actually true, though you’ve certainly proven incapable of discussion on matters of the spirit. Anyway, I’m not sure we need to presuppose anything really controversial like whether miracles do or do not happen to ask that you explain your previous statements especially when they carry the gravitas of being ones that you expect to carry to the grave.

    “Muffy, you win. Like a fool, I took your bait. See ya next weekend.”

    I see. Alrighty then.

  53. Huck I owe you an apology. I saw a deceptively edited clip of Hillary over the weekend. You were right. Hillary did exactly what Trump did – she called it a bombing.

    This is why I hate the press lately. They outright lie.

  54. Tigre I know you think I had the wool pulled over my eyes re Obama but there’s nothing like two bad candidates to bring objective clarity.

    My vote for Johnson is pure conscience soothing. He’s more of an ass than I’d like. Truly, I have no dog in this fight. I’m a man without a candidate. I’ve been effectively disenfranchised.

    So “lately” I’ve been viewing the news more objectively because I’m not a fanboy.

  55. “Tigre I know you think I had the wool pulled over my eyes re Obama but there’s nothing like two bad candidates to bring objective clarity.”

    Sorry dude. I remember all of the bullshit about Romney, and his wife, and his kids, and on and on and on. There was no correcting you. And you still buy into the Obama bullshit.

    And. . . nothingburgers.

  56. Obama’s not running this year. I’m not sure you actually know that.

    By the way, your comment is a non-sequitur. I already acknowledged how being an Obama fanboy skews ones perception.

  57. “Obama’s not running this year. I’m not sure you actually know that.”

    Oh. You were compartmentalizing, rather than viewing more objectively. You should have said “selectively” rather than “objectively.”

    Pass denied!

  58. Rutherford, like everyone, can believe whatever he chooses to believe. When one finds something immovable, then one can build on it. That will put all things in perspective…

  59. I’m almost embarrassed to say that I’m so out of the Tulsa loop, I didn’t even know a black guy (with a rap sheet, of course) had been killed by a white cop. 😳

    They’ll probably burn the city down soon. Better clean the rifle and go buy some ammo.

  60. Well, our feckless local rag is already trying to stoke racial flames and has for sometime – Graychin’s paper of choice as reference.

    I’m trying to talk people into if the paper stokes a riot, let’s not burn down the rioters. Let’s burn down the local rag’s place of business. 😈

  61. If you guys and gal have NetFlix and haven’t watched it yet, that movie out earlier this year with Chris Pine in ‘The Finest Hours’ is worth watching. Disney movie, so there is even very little cursing. LOL

    Didn’t know that was based on a true story. Even a sweet ending for the chick.

  62. Rutherford, I told you Obama would make you eventually see the world as we do. You are getting closer. Your attitude toward the press is just one more little step.

  63. “Obama’s not running this year. I’m not sure you actually know that.”

    Yes he is. Democrats are voting for Obama’s legacy this election. His own “personal insult” and give me a “big send-off” campaign speech – he running.

    “Bias: Over the past week, Democrats have been in a state of panic as Donald Trump erased Hillary Clinton’s lead in the polls. Not Democratic Party officials, mind you. But the Democrats who are supposed to report the news at those “objective” mainstream media outlets.
    Between last Sunday’s political talk shows and this Sunday, Hillary Clinton collapsed trying to get into a van and her campaign was caught lying about her health, three terrorist attacks took place on American soil, and Donald Trump started surging in the polls.

    On the Sunday talk shows, there wasn’t a single question about Hillary’s health on “Meet the Press,” “Face the Nation” or “This Week,” or any discussion of the fact that her campaign still hasn’t been forthcoming with key health information. Nor did anyone bring up Hillary’s recent and despicable attack on Trump supporters as “deplorables.” The terror attacks received mostly perfunctory discussion.

    So what did all the major Sunday shows spent the most time talking about? Donald Trump’s foray into the Barack Obama birtherism swamp. Hosts of “Meet the Press,” “This Week,” and “Face the Nation” maniacally grilled Trump backers with questions about it — after Trump himself had said he believed Obama was born in the U.S.”

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/news-media-completely-freak-out-as-trump-closes-gap-with-clinton/

  64. That was the Islamic contribution to NASA Obama once spoke about. 😆 😆 😆

    That was crazy! :yikes: Like a cartoon. How do these people live long enough to be adults?

  65. Your attitude toward the press is just one more little step.

    You know he’s still addicted to the teevee. He’s only admitted the problem. He hasn’t done the full 12 steps…

  66. Fuck. You thought was real?

    What am I saying? This is Poolman. The guy that thinks handicapped signs prove that the Sandy Hook elementary was a fictitious school that went unnoticed in a small town is clearly a man whose powers of observation and logic are flawless. 🙄

  67. You thought was real?

    Real as a cartoon. I thought maybe they were getting more creative with their treatment of their gay population. 😆

    To clarify your accusation: It is the lack of 4 handicapped signs that make the event suspect. That is just one fact. Add to that internet pages for donations were set up anywhere from several days to several weeks in advance. Add to that eric holder meeting in the town a few weeks prior to the event. Add to that obama said it was real. Add to that locals that claim it was not an active school. Add to that homes to the players being paid in full. Add to that a new fifty million dollar school in a district that was so cash poor as to not be able to make the necessary five million dollar repairs estimated years prior to rid the school of asbestos. Add to that no forensic proof of deaths or the following of protocol. Add to that we now have the written script for the drill from fema…

    These are some hints toward the thing being contrived.

  68. Regarding Rutherford, baby steps, Poolman.

    I agree with Muffy. Hillary is too addled to realize she is a suragate for Obama’s third term.So in a sense, the sees this year the time to defeat Obama.

  69. Birtherism is all Clinton’s allies have to defend her this week. We were driving home from vacation and missed the sordid performance.

  70. Ooh. That looks like what was happening with my sister and it turned out she had a brain tumor.

    Something might be wrong with her ocular nerve or something pressing on it. Unless that’s a faked video. Or unless there nothing wrong with her at all but we just assume there is because she and her handlers say there isn’t.

  71. On Muffy’s theme, if someone always lies, assume the opposite of everything they say.

    The media has not completely connected the dots on how overall credibility relates to claims of excellent health.

  72. I was referring to Hillary’s appearance in the video not Marty Feldman.

    LOL We wouldn’t want anyone to think your sister resembled Marty Feldman. What would that say about you? 😀

  73. Marty Feldman had botched surgery to treat Graves Disease, and a result was his odd eyes.
    One of his routines on British television was with a butterfly in his hand. “Hello little butterfly, do you want to see God?” Splat.

  74. “There are those who clearly see 2016 as the year they finally defeat Obama and that is a shameful testament to the make-up of the American Right.” -A

    Hopefully we will suffer fewer sanctimonious lectures no matter who wins.

  75. I thought that video was pretty damn funny. Obviously, it was a spoof as just the force of the launch would kill you, but the make up with the “passenger” helmet and the sheikh wardrobe made me laugh out loud. And I thought until the guy flew over the building in the parabolic curve looked pretty damn realistic.

    Somebody did a great job on that… 😆

  76. Mariska Hargitay. Impressive. I can honestly say I look like no one else. A toll booth agent once said to me as I was paying my toll (way back in the day before EZ-Pass) “didn’t I see you on TV?” I laughed very sure that she neither saw me nor anyone who resembled me. I’m one of a kind. 😊

  77. Hopefully we will suffer fewer sanctimonious lectures no matter who wins.

    Not very likely. Lectures, harangues, moaning and gnashing of teeth will follow either result in November.

    The country was slightly divided under Bush 43, far more divided under Obama and headed toward two different countries just sharing the same space under Clinton or Trump. Neither candidate is capable of uniting the country.

    There was a time when terrorist attacks united the country. Now we go to our corners: “lousy stinkbeards” vs “can’t insult entire religion”.

    Trump implied yesterday that our health care and criminal justice system are too good for the NYC/NJ bomber. I guess Trump wants him killed on the spot without trial. 🙄

  78. I guess Trump wants him killed on the spot without trial.

    Is that worse than Obama wanted to bring in terrorists and try them with a traffic citation with a court appointed attorney?

    F’em. That’s what GITMO is for.

  79. Trump was just spouting. In reality, the progressives want as many immigrants here as possible to make it hard for Republicans to win national elections. In their way, they are subverting our traditional way of life and the Constitution.

    As already noted, they don’t care if a few people die to create their new single party world.

    That is much worse.

  80. My aunt died of Parkinson’s Disease. She said a year before she died that she wished she would fall with a fatal injury to end her suffering.

  81. PD can be pretty devastating. Kate Hepburn, Ali, Michael J Fox.

    James your aunt may have had a weak moment. That last year probably demonstrated more will power than she let on.

  82. Well Tex, on your side is the fact Julian Assange said he would be releasing devastating info on HRC.

    Against you is that the MSM is not yet reporting this latest email dump. And they DO report Wikileaks dumps. So we’ll see if this gets beyond Pol Insider and World Nut Daily.

    (I think I read weeks ago about Clinton sending emails about PD so I’m not even sure this is new news.)

  83. Hey Tex that Tulsa cop-involved shooting has gone national. Apparently Robocop was a chick this time. Must a been that time of the month when she has “blood pouring out of her wherever”. 😀

  84. @ Rutherford Just so you can see I am in fact willing to play fair… TPD looks like they deserve a good financial reaming. Although I am curious what exactly Crutchers cooperation thing was all about the cops in my opinion failed to act properly. They should’ve cut off his access to the car and the officer that deployed his Taser is probably the one whose reporting I’d find the most interesting.

  85. You may be right, Rutherford. My aunt put on a brave front most of the time I saw her.

    Her husband, an AF colonel had suffered major injuries in the service which plagued him until he died.

    Their daughter and a friend were hit by a speeding cement truck with failed brakes. She lived 32 years with only the use of her index finger and was able to visit Ground Zero twice. She also raised two daughters after her husband cheated on her and she divorced him.

    Given all of that, a few days of weakness were understandable.

    I agree with Alfie based on what we know today.

  86. Alfie you know more about this than I do. I’m getting the usual spin of “bad shoot” and that Hillary found it disturbing.

    I hate to say it but I’m kinda saturated and inured to the cop shoots black scenario. Only the peripherals tweak my interest at this point – in this case that the cop was female.

  87. Agreed Alfie. If I were to guess knowing what I know about Crutcher’s record and a few run ins with the law, the video, and a big black thug that doesn’t cooperate, new female cop panics (or something), shoots the guy and he bleeds out.

    I’m guessing somebody is going to fry over this one wearing a TPD uniform and probably should.

    What I can’t understand is I know exactly where this is. And though it’s a two lane road, it’s fairly heavily traveled, and I have no idea what the SUV was doing straddling the street and running.

    I know they found PCP in the vehicle and I’m guessing the victim was flying high.

    As usual, there’s two sides to the story. But the police are going to have to do better than this. There was plenty of manpower there to overpower and restrain the man.

  88. This 2003 Canadian documentary I just watched was an entertaining 2.5 hrs…

    The Corporation

    Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore, and Howard Zinn appear in it. That ought to limit views…

    I’m not much into Disney though they are covered in the film too.

  89. Two MSNBC pundits tonight had to disclose that “parent company NBC Universal” once gave a half million to The Trump Foundation. LOL everybody has a hand in someone’s pocket.

  90. A guest on a talk show broadcast on Sirius last week while we were on vacation said Chicago and other police are not as proactive as they were. If they see something suspicious, they ignore it and drive on by. They are as dedicated as always while they solve crimes after the fact.

    This Ferguson effect is making the crime rate rise in big cities. The author believes the trend will continue because the government and press from the president on down supports the senario of racist police shooting innocent blacks.

    The press plays as important a role with Ferguson as in the birther dispute. Evidence supports Hillary’s team as the source, just as Willie Horton began with Al Gore, but liberal news readers are trying to change reality.

    We already know this. That woman could have written her book with quotes from this blog.

  91. I am not physically one of a kind. One of the pictures I inherited shows an ice skating party held in 1910. About thirty people posed for the picture. One got my attention because he looked like me.

    I thought I might be reading too much into it, so I showed our son without hinting why I wanted him to see the picture. He waited a minute and asked “Just how old are you?”

  92. The article I saw said it was paid over in settlement. What it excludes is the basis for the payment which may very well be legit. For example, it may be that there was a claim that the funds shouldn’t have gone to a 501(c) (3) and should be returned (as part of a larger issue).

    Since Trump always has and will be seriously scrutinized by the IRS, I will doubt that he used the foundation as a “slush fund” without more than what I was able to locate. Fucking MSNBC thinks it’s the real bomb was that Trump didn’t donate to his own foundation since 2014. Ooooooh. The big find!

    Interestingly, they say the Foundation hold just over $1million in total. Therefore, the NBC contribution makes up about one-half of the funds. A chunk was actually given to the Obama/Clinton Foundation.

    This is the response to Hillary’s sale of influence through the Clinton Foundation? Lame.

  93. Thanks for the research, El Tigre. It supports our claim that the media plays an important role in creating hostility toward the police and in protecting Hillary.

  94. Well, I ain’t sayin’ there’s nothing to it. I just didn’t spot much other than the usual Rachel Maddow blather. God, why that schtick doesn’t get old to MSNBC crowd is beyond me. So formulaic and shallow.

    Oh well. There’s Hannity and O’Reilly, so I guess “I know you are but what am I” is the answer.

  95. Tigre, if you’re saying the Trump Foundation thing is a nothingburger, then I don’t understand.

    I think the Clinton Foundation crap is FAR more serious but surely it’s wrong for Trump to tap Foundation funds to pay personal judgments. I haven’t heard the word yet, but it sounds like a form of embezzlement to me.

  96. I’m saying I don’t know if they’re personal judgments, and it’s far more likely that there’s more to it than what you surmise. Please reread what I wrote.

  97. I have changed my position that HRC WILL win to Trump might win. I’m not thinking it will be guided by Trumps debate performance.
    Trump of all people is actually touching on important points and scoring quality shots. Also of note the House appears to be letting the dogs off the leashes. Committees going after IRS Commissioner,FBI,and opening up a boom stick on the whole ICANN thing.

  98. I have changed my position that HRC WILL win to Trump might win.

    I’m thinking jump ball at this point. The polls zigzag all over the place. I DO believe Monday’s debate will break viewing records but I tend to agree with Alfie that it won’t move the needle much. I think HRC has much more to lose Monday night. Let’s face it. We’re talking about a man who “won” every GOP debate by acting like a horse’s ass.

  99. And a livestream from Charlotte, NC. At the moment I’m posting this, protesters are using police barricades to block the police.

  100. Charlotte is a weird town. Parts really nice parts “oh fuck we took a wrong turn”.
    All things considered Charlotte going the way of Chicago. Cops will dial back and the blacks will live a nightmare wondering “where’s the police”?
    I know one thing if the Panthers do the kneel fisty thing they’re out of touch with reality.

  101. What I don’t get unless I missed something: why unrest in Charlotte and not Tulsa? Charlotte, ambiguous shoot – relative says unarmed, police say armed. But Tulsa, clearly unarmed. Seems to me protest in Tulsa would be more righteous.

  102. I don’t know either, Rutherford.

    Omaha had a shooting and no riots. The press, blacks and whites, credited the relative non violence with our superior Midwestern culture.
    The same bragadocio cropped up during and after our epic flood.

    Local culture may have less to do with violence than imported rioters. But what if the community attitudes and values determine outcomes?

  103. What I don’t get unless I missed something: why unrest in Charlotte and not Tulsa?

    Because the bad guys know the Angel of Death, Tex Taylor, is awaiting. 😛

    On a more serious note, probably because everything has been transparent from the start. But Rev. Al $harpton will be in town to stir things up next Tuesday. Stay tuned.

  104. Why NC and not OK?

    I expect Soros was already partially organized in NC being that it a battleground state. Oklahomey caught them flat footed.

    I told ya more than once that 2016 was gonna come down to black voter turnout just like 2012.

  105. I told ya more than once that 2016 was gonna come down to black voter turnout just like 2012.

    I think you’re right. The same black voter turnout that twice was just sure their black President was going to usher in a new world of milk and honey.

    I believe we can now fairly say without much debate that whatever world Obama may have created for Black America, it wasn’t the world most blacks originally envisioned when Obama a Jr. Senator – full of himself, his magic, and his message.

    If blacks are satisfied with their current lot in life, and by the numerous riots I question their contentment, blacks should once again pull the Democrat lever and vote for Hillary Rotten Clinton.

    But it would appear from my vantage point for a great majority of Black America, the only man they are sticking to is themselves.

  106. It very unlikely OK will ever turn blue, whereas NC could go either way. Not that it really matters, but it does cause the political to pop. Soros is a known instigator (like one of rummy’s known knowns 😆 ), but he is one face of the serpent. There is an organized method to their madness. The conflict and chaos serves to empower their police state.

    It also serves to distract us from our actions in the world where it seems we are attempting try to initiate a third world war. The empire never rests…

  107. It’s weird watching the CBS Nightly News and actually seeing people you personally know highlighting the news. 😆 “Hey, Steve’s on TV!”

    I guess I was right about the female cop panicking – she stated she feared for her life when the “big black dude” didn’t cooperate.

    I’ve often wondered why a woman would want to be a street cop.

  108. “I’ve often wondered why a woman would want to be a street cop.”

    Or anybody for that matter.

    1 second window to make the right choice in a community of savages.

    All for 40 grand a year. This is why I fight for their pensions and the ability to retire earlier then most people. It’s deserved as much as the military if not more so.

    Part of it is the new hiring. They are so strict in terms of hiring cops without a single hiccup on their record. Street smarts is becoming a rare commodity in new hires.

  109. One of the questions concerning Crutcher that our gutless leaders don’t wish to address?

    Exactly how are cops supposed to do their job when the perpetrators won’t cooperate and do as they are told? Crutcher was 300lbs,, most likely flying high on PCP, had left a car running and unattended, straddling the middle of a two lane road (something nobody is mentioned), indicating to me the man had absolutely no business being on the road driving.

    I’ll bet you money right now that Crutcher wasn’t even in control of his faculties, the cop was completely overmatched, and probably panicked, and that Crutcher was so doped, he may not have even understood the situation.

    I ain’t buying Terance Crutcher wouldn’t be alive right now had he simply got on his knees and dropped with his hands behind his back.

    That in no way excuses the man’s death. But let’s be honest. Once again this victim is not some saintly tyke. It’s going to get to the point that police finally have had enough and quit policing.

    We sure that’s where we want to go to appease a mob?

  110. Police are dialing back all over the country and that’s documented fact.
    As I said earlier the Taser cop in Tulsa is the cop I’m looking to for word. Obviously I would love to see a thorough M.E work up too.
    Right now I find the TPD officer that shot the guy to be a fail. I swear the body language of the two other officers on dashcam footage screams “WTF Did YOU do?”

  111. Female LEOs are at a marked disadvantage especially in the solo squad car scenario.
    Years ago I got shut down viciously when I tried to launch a continuing education/training venture that looked at the detrimental effects of female 911 responders.
    I mean viciously.

  112. A 300 pound man on PCP would scare the living shit out of me and I am someone who sometimes engages in public grappling matches with 300 pounders out of my own free will.

  113. Right now I find the TPD officer that shot the guy to be a fail. I swear the body language of the two other officers on dashcam footage screams “WTF Did YOU do?”

    No doubt, Alfie. I agree with you. Like the military, the police dept. should not be a social experiment. I believe the gal panicked. The bad dude shouldn’t be dead.

    But that doesn’t answer the questions I posed. Why was the truck straddling the middle of the road, broken down or not – no shoulder, no nothing? Stopped traffic both ways; man obviously wasn’t cooperating walking back to the truck. Why is the bottle of PCP in the car hardly making mention?

    If we are going to have to call out the troops to restrain every short fuse out there, you might as well call out the national guard to simply declare martial law, or just let mob rule, rule.

    There’s no justice here.

  114. He very well could’ve been dusted Tex. We’re up to our ass in opiates around here but PCP had popular stretches not too long ago. I saw something that in the Mid-West its been popular off and on too. I wonder if people get sidetracked to it from Meth?!

    PCP makes for a bad case to deal with I can tell you that. My personal & professional experiences though tells me that even in small municipalities the police and EMS personnel know the popular drugs in use at any given time and that goes far when you find yourself facing the situation. I used to work in a dual community setting,2 /24 hr shifts one in community A the other B. In my case A,(Chelsea MA) had serious drug issues so I’d actually move a Narcan jet into my primary bag every shift instead of the Rx med bag. Community B was lily white suburb Narcan lived in the proper bag.
    I know good cops & other 911’ers do good work every day,it sucks when they get played out as the bad guys.

  115. Female LEOs are at a marked disadvantage especially in the solo squad car scenario.

    Then they shouldn’t be in the job. Sounds sexist? I don’t give a fuck. Any woman who applies for anything but a cop desk job should have to answer, “are you a bull dyke?” If they answer yes, they get the job. Otherwise they don’t.

  116. A 300 pound man on PCP would scare the living shit out of me

    Please stop making excuses for Dirty Harriet. A distant cousin of mine was shot by a cop (coincidentally female) and he was high on PCP at the time. The strength of ten men. Crazed, could not be stopped without a billet. (He survived.)

    My point, I don’t see a hyped up PCP addict in that video. Yes, I believe it was found in the car but that dude simply did not look threatening from that copter vantage point.

    Supposedly, Annie Oakley was a “drug behavior specialist” or some such thing as that.

    Donald was right about the bombing and he’s right about her. She “choked”.

  117. man obviously wasn’t cooperating walking back to the truck.

    What was obvious about it? Not only did he go back to the vehicle WITH HIS HANDS UP, he then “assumed the position” with palms on top of vehicle.

    For once, “hands up, don’t shoot” might actually apply.

    Everyone here, including Tex and Rabbit seem to think it was a bad shoot. So why all the excuse making? Agree the chick had a VERY bad day and leave it at that.

  118. “Please stop making excuses for Dirty Harriet”

    Excuses for the cop? I’m making none. I haven’t even watched the video.

  119. I’ll catch shit for this but I think we may be having the civil war we should have had in the 19th century. I’ve always said blacks should have kicked major ass back then instead of letting the good and bad white guys fight over them.

    Now the uniforms aren’t confederacy and union. They’re hoodie vs blue. Rightly or wrongly, a tipping point has been reached and a lot of blacks are saying enough.

    You know what blacks need now? A president who doesn’t pander to them. If I thought Trump anything but a clown, I’d say he has the potential to say to ghetto blacks “I’ll help you clean up your shit but I’m gonna call you an asshole when you’re an asshole and I’m not hanging the cops out to dry.”

  120. Ha… Blacks looting their own businesses and killing one another during their “protests” is a civil war?

    Give me a fucking break.

    The ignorant fuckers have been whipped up in a frenzy by people who think it’s a strategic plus.

    In response, the great pull back will continue. The ignorannt blacks will continue to cannibalize one another, the only difference being that I can be added to the majority that doesn’t give a flying fuck.

    This country is still vast. I suggest everyone move away from the savage areas.

  121. Blacks looting their own businesses and killing one another during their “protests” is a civil war?

    Ok you’ve got me there. I’ve never understood why they fuck up their own neighborhood instead of heading out to the burbs to burn down the country club.

    Funny thing: a REAL race war and whites of all political stripes would be begging the police to get their shit together. Instead they sit in their comfy homes and watch on tv as the “savages” shit where they live.

  122. 70 percent of the arrests are from out of state. Once again, paid rioters are being bused in. It isn’t a real civil war. This is provocation by the elite to incite civil unrest leading to martial law. Paid provocateurs. That is how all these are done. If it’s on the news, it’s spin.

  123. I watched the debut of “Designated Survivor” last night, an above average show worth another look next week and maybe a “season pass”.

    When the HUD Secretary suddenly finds himself President, a high ranking military official starts to plot a coup on the grounds that the POTUS is unfit to lead.

    I got a chill thinking about Trump. Kiefer Sutherland’s other hit, “24” seemed prescient at times. I wonder if this new show is prescient too?

  124. That sounds interesting, Rutherford. I’m gonna give that a look.

    I DVRed the show Pitch, tonight, about the girl big league pitcher. We’ll see how that is.

  125. “I’ve never understood why they fuck up their own neighborhood instead of heading out to the burbs to burn down the country club.”

    Because they’d never make it and they know it.

    Nobody cares if they destroy their own shit.

  126. “This country is still vast. I suggest everyone move away from the savage areas.”

    My oldest just moved to Couer d’Alene, Idaho. My wife went with him for a week to help him get settled. She came back saying she wants to move. I’m not opposed to the notion.

  127. What’s the cost of living in Couer d’Alene? I need to live cheaper. Let’s all buy a compound. Rabbit and James can run security to keep the Fed out. Huck can teach the kids. Tex can be compound Doctor. I’ll walk around in a dashiki to keep things real. Muffy and Tigre can edit the compound newspaper full of their sarcastic wit. 😀😀

  128. “What’s the cost of living in Couer d’Alene?”

    Internet says 8% below national average.

    Internet also says it gets lots of snow. I’ll let the boy spend a calendar year there before I get too worked up lol

  129. Rutherford, I have been in Cour d’ Alene a number of times. It is a pretty city with a lake and nearby mountains or giant hills.

    As Huck noted, the cost of living is not far from the national average.
    Since you gave us the job,
    I think some well-placed snipers with the advantage of high ground and camaflage in the mountains would be difficult to dislodge. That would be especially true in winter with Finnish-Sami tactics and talent as used in the Winter War phase of WW11.

    One advantage would be after the inevitable federal attack, one could fairly easily flee across the Canadian border.

    Winters are snowy, and summers are dry and hot with a few mostly mountain thunderstorms. I like snow, but I wish the region had more thunderstorms.

  130. Simo Hayha was a five foot tall Sami-Finish farmer living near the Russian border. He used a primitive rifle to kill over 500 Russian soldiers. He later killed over 200 with a machine gun. Soviet soldiers called him the White Death.

    Russia gained 22,000 square miles of territory but lost the war with over a million casualties compared to forty times fewer Finns killed.

    Thus, Cour d Aline would be theoretically defensible for awhile.

  131. Couer d’Alene? I had to look up where it was. Looks really pretty. Can you find work up there as a ‘youngin” that would get you enough to live in something besides a sardine can?

    My in-laws have a place up near Buena Vista, CO. It’s a wonderful place to visit. But I’ll bet living up there in the winter would be like an Eskimo.

    On top of that, everything is a hassle about shopping. Need to go to Home Depot? 140 mile round trip.

  132. He’s single, so a sardine can is all he needs right now. He’s got a job working construction on high-end houses (not to say “mansions”), so he’s learning a trade.

  133. Residential construction has been steadily picking up here. Home builders are all looking for experienced help. Who knows how long this boom will last? Some construction trades travel to where the work is. Right now anyone with experience in a trade can get all the work they want around here. We don’t get snow, so it is year round. 🙂

  134. We already live in paradise.

    Our county only has four traffic signals, and the nearest McDonalds is a 35 mile round trip. The same applies to our closest grocery store. The nearest Home Depot is a 120 mile round trip. Our closest neighbor lives two miles away.

    Good plumbers and construction people seem to be in high demand around here.

  135. This is a true if exagerated story. Freddy King was a blues man who loved poker. Connie Brewster was a rock groupie with many notches on her belt. Ark Gov. Bill Clinton’s highway patrol recruited Connie for an asignation.

    She claimed they looked but failed to find a suitable place. Bill said it didn’t go that far.

    They and and three women in Omaha did not tear the hotel down. They visited about their families and swam in the hotel pool.

    The only connection to this discussion is that Bill Clinton was seining with a large net.

  136. Black soldiers fought for the Union and a few joined the Confederate Army near the end. Others fought in the American Revolution.

  137. @Rutherford: I honestly do think its coincidental.
    Preibus has less job security than Cruz imo so I doubt Ted is concerned about RNC $abre rattling.
    I buy the notion that Cruz can see some writing on the wall and the writing says a Trump victory could happen and that life will actually be better under Trump than Clinton for someone looking to exert some real power.
    Trumps completed jurist selection sheet is a strong move on his part and is like a bug lamp for folks like Cruz who see the SCOTUS as a super big deal in 2016-2020. Next POTUS looking at 3 appointees easy!

  138. I don’t mean this in a racist manner but I find blacks quite hilarious when they record loved ones that have been shot by the police. The Facebook live stream “on the scene reporting” by Lavish Reynolds during the Castile shooting and now Mrs Scott in Charlotte have me completely baffled.
    My experience on the scene of dead blacks almost always had some inanely hysterical person screaming to Jesus about “My baby” regardless of the age of the to be soon deceased. There were also defiant folks and honestly distressed folks too but NEVER EVER EVER did I ever deal with the likes of Lavish & Scott with their calm “Oh no he didn’t” Shanaynay commentary.
    WTF is going on in Black America?

  139. Ted Cruz:

    After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

    Prayer always helps ole Ted! I guess God is pro-Trump. 😀😀😊

    A total fake and sellout. I’m glad Trump kicked his ass.

  140. A total fake and sellout. I’m glad Trump kicked his ass.

    But he stood on principle. 😆 Apparently principle doesn’t provide bacon for your machine gun. Of course he is going to fall in line. They ALL fall in line. They are all bought. Of course trump kicked his ass. That is how it was written.

    It’s just like professional wrestling. The winners and losers are already decided and the whole event is scripted. The teevee gives it light and makes it seem real. Coincidences and encores are part of the act.

  141. I really want to watch Stranger Things. But I just can’t watch any kind of show involving a missing kid. The soundtrack is awesome… Sounds like Coat to Coast radio at 3 am.

  142. Rabbit I’m guessing you’re steering clear of CBS’s rehashing of the Jon-Benet Ramsey case. I watched an hours worth of last Monday’s 2 hour episode. Looks to me like they’re building a case against the mother (now deceased).

  143. I guess I’m puzzled why Rabbit and Tigre are fired up about the pseudonym thing. I don’t understand Obama’s motive, since clearly he WAS identifiable in the email despite his use of a pseudonym.

    What terrible thing are you inferring from this?

  144. Re Alfie’s comment about the black videotape phenomenon, I’m a bit confused how these soon-to-be widows stand there and tape their loved one dying. But we live in a new age. Bad shoots got swept under the rug in the old days. No more. Now everything is on video.

    I’m reminded of a joke I think was told by Sam Kinison regarding the Rodney King ass whupping. He said “put down the camera and HELP ME!!!!”

  145. What terrible thing are “you inferring…?” you asked someone else. I don’t need to infer anything from my prospective. Obama lied.

    I also don’t need to “infer” terrible things going on in the black community. George Soros is helping fund the hostility as a means to destroy our social fabric. He said so.

    An estimated 70% of the black rioters in Charlotte were bused from out of town. Maybe that is the difference between the reaction in Tulsa and Charlotte.

    The terrible feature is that it IS fake as Poolman wrote but in a different way. Progressives will sacrifice other people’s blood and safety to further their own goals. They wanted more of our troops to die in Iraq and they wanted more of our citizens to suffer hardships during the so called government shut down. Now, they want to stoke the flames of black anger and burning buildings to goad more of them to vote for Hillary.

    Those people are truly evil. I don’t know Ted Cruz’s motivation for threatening his stated principles to vote for Trump, and I don’t care. Maybe he finally
    recognizes the implications of voting such un American Stalinists into power.

    As Sofia Jannok noted, these people are foreign occupiers.

  146. Fuck, Rutherford. Obama said that he learned about the Hillary email from watching it on the news. That was total bullshit. And now he is directly involved in communications that jeopardized national security. Any idea why he’s got the cooperation of the FBI, DOJ, state department and… Of course, you!? Mr. Transparency is a fucking liar.

  147. The administration lies all the time. It is provable. Consider all of the things they have told us are true offering no proof whatsoever, as if their word is somehow all the proof we need. But their word is false and their intentions sinister. All those in government are working together against us. The lies span generations.

  148. “Mr. Transparency is a fucking liar.”

    Always a lie. The FBI, Attorney General…. The POTUS…. IRS… Corrupt to the core. It’s a horrible alternate reality where a Nixonian asshole gets away with it all. Of course anyone with common sense knew this all along. We are always proven right.

    I swear to God, if these people are talking, they are lying.

    So shocking Rutherford is once again in la la land. Rutherford is a small cog in this corrupt cesspool. He should punch himself in the face.

  149. Fuck, Rutherford. Obama said that he learned about the Hillary email from watching it on the news.

    Yeah, I got that from Rabbits linked article. My bad. Shouldn’t have asked the question.

    I still don’t get why he used the alias when everyone knows it’s him. LOL Probably afraid her server would be hacked by foreigners but was too scared of her and/or Bill to fire her ass.

  150. https://missiongalacticfreedom.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/710_trumpcardfor-small.jpeg?w=631&h=349

    There are some saying this card game from 22 years ago predicted future events. This one above is said to represent trump. Some say he will be assassinated. Some have said this Monday. Some claim he will be shot in the head and survive, revelation style.

    Other cards are said to represent popular people and events, some that have happened and some that are yet to come. Here is collection of some:

    http://www.oddityworld.net/2014/07/the-creepy-illuminati-card-game.html

    Predictive programming is the cultural norm.

  151. “I still don’t get why he used the alias when everyone knows it’s him. LOL Probably afraid her server would be hacked by foreigners but was too scared of her and/or Bill to fire her ass.”

    Perhaps Huma, when she had a Weiner, had the immediate reaction you should have:

    In an April 5, 2016 interview with the FBI, Abedin was shown an email exchange between Clinton and Obama, but the longtime Clinton aide did not recognize the name of the sender.

    “Once informed that the sender’s name is believed to be pseudonym used by the president, Abedin exclaimed: ‘How is this not classified?'” the report says. “Abedin then expressed her amazement at the president’s use of a pseudonym and asked if she could have a copy of the email.”

    The State Department has refused to make public that and other emails Clinton exchanged with Obama. Lawyers have cited the “presidential communications privilege,” a variation of executive privilege, in order to withhold the messages under the Freedom of Information Act.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-228607

    How are all those immunity deals sounding to you now?

    God, I hate these people.

    Hope and Change!

  152. Rutherford your Twitter feed shows a lot of for Olberdouche. Wat up wit dat?

    OMFG! Thanks for the heads up, Alfie. I didn’t realize I was tweeting out those playlist adds.

    Olbermann is often a pompous ass but I have a soft spot for him. I guess he’s my Bill Whittle. I don’t blame anyone for not being able to stomach a millisecond of him.

    P.S. He takes me back to the good old days when I fancied myself a bombastic liberal voice.

  153. Two things. #1 is if a POTUS uses false names how is it one can claim Executive Privilege? #2 is in the real world how is any communication between POTUS & SoS NOT classified? I’m doubting can I haz cheezburger pics and lols is the main type of communication.

  154. Speaking of the good old days, I read an 8 year old post of mine today and the comments section was so diverse – libs and conservatives – including a conservative pro-choice blogger (Huck in his former incarnation as The Red Pill).

    The libs have all abandoned me. 😩😩😩

  155. I’m doubting can I haz cheezburger pics and lols is the main type of communication.

    I thought I read that the email in question was a congratulatory email about SCOTUS Obamacare decision.

    Alfie, shouldn’t executive privilege make an alias unnecessary for Obama? Unless again Obama was worried about hacks.

  156. R Chen probably got married or crashed into a truck he was trying to draft.
    Curator and Revolting Pawn if they were not one in the same probably got shot.
    Don’t remember anyone else.

  157. R Chen probably got married or crashed into a truck he was trying to draft.
    Curator and Revolting Pawn if they were not one in the same probably got shot.
    Don’t remember anyone else.

    LOL, what a depressing conjectured epilogue.

    As I recall Curator and Revolting Pawn had separate blogs. I doubt they were the same person. I think Tex caused Revolting Pawn to stroke out.

    If you look at John McCain’s Female Woman Haters Club from 2008, you’ll see a surprisingly diverse discussion. You’ll also see a strident anti-conservative bigot named Rutherford. 😊

  158. “The libs have all abandoned me.”

    Any chance they changed their stripes after they gotta taste of what douche Obama is? 😆

  159. “I thought I read that the email in question was a congratulatory email about SCOTUS Obamacare decision.”

    Email in question? The articles refer to “emails” (pl) between Clinton and Obama. If the one that Huma was copied on wasn’t produced, why not? Personal? What privilege? WTF??

  160. “You don’t really believe that, do you?”

    Hell no. You know what a douche Obama is and you’d never give up. Ever. You’re too invested. It’d be like asking you to stop watching MSNBC. Never. Gonna. Happen.

  161. It’d be like asking you to stop watching MSNBC. Never. Gonna. Happen.

    You were wrong about the HRC vote but you’re right on this. My wife keeps saying “if you’re gonna keep yelling at the tv, why don’t you just turn it off?” To which I reply “I’m addicted.”

    Some women are football widows. My wife’s a politics widow. During election season, I’m like Chen. It’s sports for me. Unlike Chen, I stay interested post-election.

  162. Boys and girl, never say never. When I bought my BMW i3 two years ago, the Illinois alternative fuel rebate program had been suspended. I said what the hell and sent the application in anyway. (I called them and they were pessimistic but said it couldn’t hurt to send it in.)

    Today I got four thousand smackers in the mail. Took me five minutes to figure out what the check was for … I had given up on it long ago.

    Electric cars, motherfuckers, the way to go!!!!

  163. Congrats R. I got a mystery check for 3 grand a couple years ago. I thought it was fake. Turned out I was in on a class action lawsuit against crooked Countrywide/Bank of America.

    I bought a weber grill. What an awesome weekend.

  164. I thought it was fake.

    So did I. My mind was locked into gas and electric for my apartment and I’m like “I don’t use alternative fuel.” LOL, then it hit me.

    That probably blows my luck quotient for the rest of the year. I should stay in bed until 1/1/17.

  165. I’ve begged my wife to get rid of this BP stock she’s owned for 50+ years, when it used to be Sinclair, then ARCO, then BP.

    But BP does pay a good dividend, so she gets about a $500+ check every three months. The other day, Larry my mailman hands me the envelope while I hold a hose in my hand. We start talking. I don’t realize the damn hose water is dripping all over the check. 😳

    I about ruined the check. SOB….

  166. “As I recall Curator and Revolting Pawn had separate blogs. I doubt they were the same person.”

    Curator was an online friend of mine I had known for years before he ever set virtual foot here. I can personally vouch that he was not Revolting Pawn.

  167. In class yesterday I was talking about plagiarism and warning that I will catch them if they try it, and that that I can tell the difference between an honest mistake and intent. I then warned them I wasn’t the FBI, and will easy establish intent.

    I gave that line to 3 full classes and not a single person knew what the hell I was talking about.

    It wasn’t that they didn’t care, they weren’t even aware.

  168. You essentially got a welfare check but somehow view it as a positive.

    I myself would view an unexpected $4K as a positive. Most welfare recipients don’t purchase hybrid vehicles, to my knowledge. I could be wrong here, as I have not done the research. The cost of these is inflated because it’s currently considered politically correct and somewhat of a status symbol to own one. AZ has its own incentive program for those that apply. None of those are welfare, but are considered rewards for being a conscientious consumer.

    If you want to talk welfare, let’s look at how many unnecessary people are on the government’s payroll.

  169. A combination of taxpayer and electricity rate payers supply the $$$ that is then doled out to e vehicle owners. The subsidy is necessary because capitalism and reality makes e vehicles undesirable and unsustainable.

  170. I got a mystery check for 3 grand a couple years ago. I thought it was fake. Turned out I was in on a class action lawsuit against crooked Countrywide/Bank of America.

    Most of the class action checks I have gotten are a few bucks. I got one for 23 cents once. The biggest was a couple hundred dollars from Hyundai for them apparently falsifying mpg on some of their cars..

    I’m still hoping the bofa class action delivers more, but that one is still pending.

  171. “Rutherford you’re a true liberal. You essentially got a welfare check but somehow view it as a positive.”

    You know Alfie, my first reaction was the same thing. But then I thought Rutherford bought that car due to many deep rooted personal issues and that a government subsidy was not one of them.

    Sometimes you just got to let a nigga enjoy landing on Community Chest.

  172. The subsidy is necessary because capitalism and reality makes e vehicles undesirable and unsustainable.

    Oh you’re a wet rag. If the USA gets off the oil teat and invests in better battery development, electric vehicles will become the primary means of transportation.

  173. But then I thought Rutherford bought that car due to many deep rooted personal issues

    LOL You guys are too much. My deep rooted issue was I liked how the car looked and liked how it drove even more.

  174. Curator was an online friend of mine I had known for years before he ever set virtual foot here.

    “I knew Curator. Curator was a friend of mine. Revolting Pawn, you are no Curator.” 😀

  175. I was in Vegas yesterday to see Disturbed in concert. I used Uber for the 1st time. I will never take another regular cab ride again. Less than 1/2 the price and much more convenient.

    All the Uber guys drive Prius. I commented and the dude said it’s because they get really good mileage in stop-and-go city driving. I find that position a lot more commendable than the save the planet argument (not saying that had anything to do with Rutherford’s decision).

  176. A combination of taxpayer and electricity rate payers supply the $$$ that is then doled out to e vehicle owners.

    Welfare is tax money doled out to people in need. Those generally receiving are unable to provide the necessities for themselves. Sure, many abuse the system. I don’t think that term can be used for taxpayers who pay their own electricity bills and choose to purchase a vehicle with incentives.

    A subsidy is the better term, similar to how farmers are paid to plant crops that aren’t profitable or paid not to plant certain crops. Corporations are big on subsidies, working with government in getting the taxpayer to foot large portions of the bill.

  177. My peewee football team’s defense left a pile of carcasses on the field. Some of the opposing coaches wouldn’t shake our hands after the game.

    I like to think I’m not a youth sports douche bag, but maybe I am.

    Is there any other way to run defense in full contact football other than to have the lads attack and smash the guy with the ball? How to do I tell instructional league kids to let up on d? Fuck that.

  178. I find that position a lot more commendable than the save the planet argument (not saying that had anything to do with Rutherford’s decision).

    Nah, I’m ashamed to say I don’t give two shits about the planet to be honest.

    Having a disability, I find electric far easier. I charge in my garage and get gas about 4 times a year. I can pump my own gas but I don’t enjoy doing it. New Jersey is the last bastion of full service gas stations.

  179. God I’m such a moron when it comes to football. Tackling is defense, isn’t it? Defending your goal. When I first read your comment I was thinking offense.

    The only childhood pain I still hold against my Dad (now gone over 2 years) is he never explained sports to me. When he watched the game (mainly baseball and basketball, only a bit of football) he always treated me like a nuisance when I tried to watch with him. It’s the only area where I found him mean.

  180. Fuck that is right, DR. Defense makes the game for me. On baseball, too.

    Tackling is definitely defense. And interceptions, in which case the offense suddenly becomes the defense. 🙂

    I love football, and I refuse to let these recent protesting assholes ruin it for me.

  181. “New Jersey is the last bastion of full service gas stations.”

    You cannot pump your own gas in Oregon. It’s against the law.

  182. Oh you’re a wet rag. If the USA gets off the oil teat and invests in better battery development, electric vehicles will become the primary means of transportation.

    I wonder what is creating the charge to drive charging that battery, hey? Methane or coal? 😛

    I’d bet you the price of your car that doesn’t happen in your lifetime without massive federal subsidies. And what they don’t talk about is the heavy metal poisoning these so called green energy vehicles are producing when the battery is dead. 😈

    Electric vehicles have some nice characteristics – torque being one. But as long as gas is less than $3.00 a gallon, electric cars a massive waste of resources. LPG would be a far better investment.

  183. That’s the thing with organized sports. The competition. I am relentless. I cannot play for fun. If you’re there to match your skill against mine, then it’s all out. Otherwise, why bother? Let’s just say it is difficult for many, myself included, to just play competitive anything for the sheer joy of the game. That is why I rarely did and still don’t. Besides, I’m a lover, not a fighter. 🙂 I will go to an occasional game when we get passes, more to people watch and pay high beer prices than to watch the game.

  184. “You cannot pump your own gas in Oregon. It’s against the law.”

    Lol. Wow. I never knew that and I used to go to Oregon quite a bit.

    They must have a strong gas station pumper lobby in Eugene.

  185. I’d never check my radiator fluid if I drove the Hemp-mobile. Let it over heat while I listen to some deep tracks, maaaaan.

  186. The first story I read showed the shooter’s picture identifying him as Middle Eastern or Hispanic. I knew he was from the Middle East.

    The media knows this hurts Hillary. I feel uncomfortable using dead bodies to make political points, though leftists go much farther.

    I used to hitch hike and my wife and I sometimes picked them up.

    When I worked on the river to help put myself through college, we occasionally stood by the side of a highway pretending to hitch hike while waving our corn knives. Drivers sped up when they saw us.

  187. Ford made a car which bio product cellulose component had a small amount of hemp in it.
    That said let’s stop perpetuating the hemp/ marijuana equivalency please.

  188. Uber in metro-Boston originally wanted a heavy Prius fleet but recognised such demands,hints actually impeded their claim to only to be only the tech connection. Uber cars around here run the gambit. My sister has used it a lot and when she was post knee surgery she’d shop for larger vehicles for entry egress ease and comfort. She speaks highly of it.

    Uber is an excellent example of the American worker being a sole individual.

  189. I don’t believe the news. Especially when they ALL repeat the same lines verbatim. With technology what it is, how come video images of all these shootings and shooters are always so piss poor? Unbelievable. Blurry and out of focus, they rarely show what they are purported to and the audio is often overdone or interjected to affirm a narrative. These events generally coincide with some serious domestic or political issue or some foreign policy gaffe or bad action. Diversions. Fear mongering. Bullshit.

    In this upside down world Islam is more ominous than darpa. The teevee tells us so.

  190. Funny how leftists claim subsidies are corporate welfare but when I use the term twist I’m off base

    Funny haha or funny strange? Corporations are people without a moral core. I am not a leftist and I don’t call it corporate welfare. It isn’t welfare when they legally steal land, resources, pollute the environment, and avoid paying taxes. Let’s call it privilege. Or proof we live under demonic control. 😕

  191. I think speaking about corporations in the abstract is stupid. It’s like talking about “the wealthy” in the abstract. Simplistic caricatures are the hobgoblin of little minds.

  192. Media sure is down playing the fact that the mall shooter is a Muslim immigrant.

    I’m starting to react to Muslims the way I reacted to blacks. I’d hear a headline “four shot on Main St” and then the picture and I’d say “please don’t let it be another black guy” and then sure enough.

    Now it’s “don’t let this be another Muslim” and then sure enough. I saw mall guy’s picture and thought damn, looks like a Muslim.

    It’s getting old.

  193. Did you know folks that have a beemer or Tesla get a higher subsidy than ANY variant of a Prius?

    That’s because neither the Tesla nor the BMW i3 are true hybrids like the Prius. The Tesla I believe is 100% electric. The version of the i3 that I have has a gas powered generator that only goes into effect when the battery is down to 6% and even then the gas is used only to maintain a 6% charge in the battery. There is no gas combustion engine in use ever.

    A true hybrid supplements gas combustion with electric power which I believe is what the Prius does.

  194. I think speaking about corporations in the abstract is stupid. It’s like talking about “the wealthy” in the abstract. Simplistic caricatures are the hobgoblin of little minds.

    Or talking about blacks and Muslims in the abstract. Right Tigre? Bravo for you.

  195. One thing about the Observer article that puzzles me: I thought immunity deals are given to get folks to turn on other folks. So why would granting immunity to Mills be a bad thing if the FBI thought they could get info out of her?

  196. “One thing about the Observer article that puzzles me: I thought immunity deals are given to get folks to turn on other folks. So why would granting immunity to Mills be a bad thing if the FBI thought they could get info out of her?”

    Because a new administration with new FBI and DoJ heads might have different ideas about things, so give everyone immunity now and it doesn’t matter what the future brings.

    That’s why they are all pleading the 5th even though they have immunity and, as such, cannot incriminate themselves. They all just need to keep quiet until Hillary gets elected.

  197. “I thought immunity deals are given to get folks to turn on other folks. So why would granting immunity to Mills be a bad thing if the FBI thought they could get info out of her?”

    In all reality, they weren’t immunity deals, they were illeagal pardons.

  198. From my understanding, usually these immunity deals have a clause that allows numerous elements to have access to the (supposed) snitches.

    They aren’t even letting Congress see the immunity deal, itself. They keep no showing or pleading the 5th. Pleading the 5th to what? They have immunity.

    At this point, this corrupt executive train is running the legislative branch right over.

    If you ask me, it’s turning into a Constitutional crisis. I wouldn’t be surprised if something goes to the SCOTUS over this. But who am I.

  199. “I wouldn’t be surprised if something goes to the SCOTUS over this.”

    Which won’t matter after Hillary appoints.

    She’s going to appoint the person who will tip the scales in deciding the fates of people who helped get her elected.

    “If you ask me, it’s turning into a Constitutional crisis.”

    Just the sesame seed bun atop a giant 8-layer nothingburger. It’s only a crisis if enough people care, and unfortunately 1/2 the country has been cheering it on the whole time.

  200. Actually the reason is the number of units the manufacturer has sold.
    Toyota has sold 5m+ Prius units so they’re well above the 200k unit cut-off.
    Why anyone who can afford a BMW or Tesla deserves a federal $7,500. payback is beyond me.

  201. I think speaking about corporations in the abstract is stupid.

    Of course you would. That’s your bread and butter. Or mayonnaise in your case. 😛

  202. Gowdy is fighting this sham government tooth and nail. Love that guy.

    Has anything ever come of it, or is it all just feel good teevee?

  203. It is rather humorous how the right is calling out this administration as corrupt in the same way the left was bitching about the previous administration as corrupt. 😆 This country is SOOOOO into teams. Like it’s a competition to run our lives.

    IT’S ALL CORRUPT!! Left to right, right to left. Rotten. To. The. Core.

  204. Why anyone who can afford a BMW or Tesla deserves a federal $7,500. payback is beyond me.

    You don’t understand marketing or incentives, do you? How about cultural engineering?

  205. Why anyone who can afford a BMW or Tesla deserves a federal $7,500. payback is beyond me.

    I’m surprised you have such a stick up your ass on this. I don’t think I DESERVE the rebate but I’m sure as hell not going to turn it down.

    I can’t speak to “number of units sold” but I do know for a fact that certain state governments differentiate between electric models to the extent they really are electric. The more hybrid the model is (e.g. gas reliant) the less favorably the government looks upon the car for any type of benefit.

    Putting aside Tex’s observation about battery disposal, the incentive to support non-polluting cars seems reasonable to me.

    Back in 62/63 the smog in California was so bad that my eyes swelled up when we visited my grandmother. I don’t remember it cos I was a toddler at the time.

    Maybe Huck can pipe in on what CA has done since then to clean up its air? I’ve been out there a few times since the “eye incident” and had no problems.

  206. Are you serious?

    As a heart attack. We sure as shit should not single out corporate America as immune to abstract discussions when we talk constantly about blacks, Muslims, Southerners, conservatives and liberals in the abstract ALL THE TIME.

  207. I’m reacting to pictures of Muslims and blacks as you are Rutherford. A direct or indirect vote against Trump will let it get even older. It may even be worse with Hillary. Trump is an uncertain gamble, but he is our best chance. A fine mess we have gotten ourselves into.

  208. Damn, Poolman, I forgot. I watched the series debut of Bull (awful – didn’t even finish the episode – although Tigre might like it cos it deals with jury selection and manipulation) and the season premier of The Blacklist. James Spader, a crazy mofo playing a crazy mofo. I love it.

    Poolman I’ll have to go add that video to my YouTube queue and try to catch it next weekend.

  209. A sincere thanks to Huck and Rabbit for the insight on immunity. Sometimes I lack the skepticism to see these things as they are but I think you’re both right. The immunity is about protecting them in the future, not leveraging them in the present.

    Damn shame.

  210. I forgot.

    I didn’t think you could have seen it and not make a comment about it. It just might anger you. Your favorite past employer is given mention. 🙂

    There were aerosol skies all over southern CA when I was out there 3 weeks ago. It didn’t mess with our eyes much, but definitely affected breathing. It took a day to clear that all out after we got back to AZ. They have been laying it out pretty thick for some time just off the coast. The jet stream carries it inland where it ‘rains’ down a silvery white fog.

    There is still a brown cloud over freeways and urban zones. I don’t think that as bad as it has been in years past. We get that out here especially in the winter. As a little kid I remember going NYC from NJ, a trip we made every few months. It was always a drastic change from the clear blue skies of central NJ. As we drove the sky and the air changed dramatically. You could not only see but smell and taste it.

    That was similar to driving to El Paso from west TX. Miles out we could see the change in sky, then closer noticed the smell, and finally when in it, the taste. After a few days there it seemed normal.

  211. I’m reacting to pictures of Muslims and blacks as you are Rutherford.

    You do realize there are fair skinned Muslims, right? This time around I’m certain American orientals are relieved they aren’t démon de jour.

  212. “As a heart attack. We sure as shit should not single out corporate America as immune to abstract discussions when we talk constantly about blacks, Muslims, Southerners, conservatives and liberals in the abstract ALL THE TIME.”

    Oh. I see. So you’re excluding partnerships, limited liability companies, proprietorships, etc? Is there some difference? Why not refer to it as “business?” No. This is not semantics. It’s to the point.

    Blacks, Muslims, Southerners, conservatives and liberals? In three instances you are referring to a belief or ideology, in one racial identity the other a regional identity. Hell, when you talk about “blacks” ones that don’t fit the appropriate imagery are “Uncle Toms” or “not really black.” How about “corporations?”

  213. So you’re excluding partnerships, limited liability companies, proprietorships, etc?

    Ok so now YOU’RE the one kidding right? Did you really think I was making a legal/tax distinction in my verbiage? I’m glad to say “business” instead of corporation – although publicly owned corporations DO have the extra burden of amoral shareholders.

    I plead guilty to talking about all sorts of groups in the abstract. Hell, if we didn’t there would be no bar.

    I just found it funny (and predictable) that you came to the defense of corporations against abstraction. You are SUCH a corporate whore. But I admit, if I hadn’t met a tragic ending with my corporate experience I might be right there with you. When it works, it’s hard to beat. Health care subsidy, cushy office, built in marketing team and great salary. All things you miss when you get booted.

    I don’t think poor BiC has yet recovered from falling from his perch. I know I haven’t.

  214. Make the market support electric vehicles as opposed to providing a hyper selective and minimally effective government redistribution of money.
    Instead of shovel ready turtle crossings perhaps the fucking Keynesians could float a couple billion for hydrogen infrastructure..
    Why do I have a stick up my ass? Because the USA is yet again going down the easy and idiotic route. Battery technology has peaked and it sucks. The fucking Germans are running submarines on hydrogen. The by product of hydrogen cell tech is water. The other shit we’re running out of!
    Trucks,buses and heavy equipment is never going to succeed with batteries. Classic nonnuclear subs have been shown the light. HYDROGEN.

  215. I’m solidly in the camp that the next level of serfdom is dawning in America and I’m also convinced too few see it coming and way too few are prepared for it and all that it means.

  216. Battery technology has peaked and it sucks.

    Sounds like the folks who told Orville and Wilbur to give up … never gonna happen guys, only birds can fly.

    Battery tech is improving everyday with new models getting better range every year.

    With that said, if hydrogen is a better solution I’m all for it. Probably won’t give the driving experience of electric, which is not for everyone, but I love it.

    If you get good at it, i3 driving is basically one pedal. Natural deceleration puts more drag on the vehicle and the drag is translated into recharging the battery.

  217. Wasn’t he in his prime some 40 years ago? I think pro golf has only been a younger man’s game recently. And of course there’s the senior tour which keeps them in the spotlight a bit longer.

  218. Good. Your business and your wife’s business are greedy and evil.

    And so are “the wealthy.”

    Got it. Corporations…er businesses… are not people, they’re just bad. I now see that speaking of them in the abstract is really helpful. 🙄

  219. I liked Arnold Palmer too, and I enjoyed his commercials. I think he designed a golf course in Nebraska’s Sand Hills.

    Yes, we are already moving into a form of surfdom, but it is worse than during the Dark Ages. European surfs were tied to the land but had some protections and the right to use some land to maintain themselves.
    Most modern aspiring surfs have little but credit cards and government money to keep them from turning violent.

  220. Only other businesses are greedy and evil. Mea culpa.

    It’s late and I’m tired but tomorrow I’ll gladly answer the latest snark. Making money compromises almost everyone in big ways and small, including me.

  221. The only thing amusing about antisemitic homo-bigot Brother Nate is the way he swings his shoulders when he talks. Almost like he has to take a piss. Or maybe he’s auditioning for The Temptations?

  222. “The teevee made all these guys familiar to us. Good old Arnold. Not many good guys are left in that teevee light.”

    So edgy-cool. I bet you wore your sun glasses while you typed that.

  223. “It’s late and I’m tired but tomorrow I’ll gladly answer the latest snark.”

    Heavy duty. Can’t wait. My point was a simple one: speaking about corporations in the abstract is stupid. . . simplistic caricatures. That’s it. Nothing more. You dispute that. Sooooo. . . . I’ll be eagerly awaiting something other than the usual knee jerk “I know you are but what am I” bullshit.

  224. The campaign now says Jennifer won’t be invited, though a crowd of other abused women say they might come. I’d like to see “sweet sweet Connie” from “We’re an American Band” sit behind Trump.

  225. That’s ironic since trump has a pending case accusing him of raping a 13 year old. Bill and the donald are cut from the same cloth. Epstein had 14 contact numbers for trump in his little black book.

    That’s FOURTEEN for you coincidencers.

  226. My point was a simple one: speaking about corporations in the abstract is stupid.

    If that’s all you’re saying I fully agree with you. But I question why you reserve that judgement for corporations when we discuss EVERYTHING here in the abstract.

    In a prior comment you implied that I exempt myself from the immoral business category. Let me address that.

    You know one reason why my businesses haven’t taken off over the past 9 years? I hate marketing. You know why? Cos marketing is essentially dirty and crooked if it’s gonna be effective.

    Just a small example: I can price an item for $10.00 or I can price it for $9.99. Which do I choose? I choose $9.99 because the average idiot thinks he’s paying a lot less. They focus in front of the decimal. So a major part of marketing is exploiting people’s idiocy. I don’t particularly like that.

    So, to answer your implication, I don’t exempt myself from the unsavory aspects of business. I do my best to be as ethical as possible. Frankly, I don’t think IBM does its best to be as ethical as possible.

  227. On a personal note wouldn’t it be beneficial for you if your marketing consisted of actual bare knuckle truth? Up front & in your face.
    I know from my own experiences that offering packages or “suites” of services only then to reveal prices that are stacked like car options is counterproductive.You’ve sold something and then its like you’re selling it again. Always hated that as the service provider and as a customer.
    I’ve also experienced situations where trying to justify hourly rates for a core of services makes people go WTF?
    With the former I got to the point where I presented very clear up front pricing for a set level of services. Any needed add-ons were set aside as an additional services or held out where practical as “free” add ons if they acted today.
    The second was a natural evolution kind of thing as we started to experience some growth but any given contract didn’t require all of us or a full set of our skills & services. Basically ripped off the idea of how a number of trades people price jobs.
    I dare say your potential clients are not unlike our pool back in the day. Your webinar service basically needs to find people that actually need it. I imagine that’s the hardest. Your bookkeeping gig should be easier.

  228. Rutherford, you should spend some money with google to get yourself some business. You can pay someone to do it or work it yourself buying keywords and placement. It is kind of fun to play with, but takes some time to figure out. I would think your clients are using searches to find the services you offer. Go ogle seems to own internet search placement. At least there you don’t need to sell your services to others if they can find just you and get a good warm and fuzzy feel. A competitive price doesn’t mean the lowest.

  229. antisemitic homo-bigot Brother Nate

    Can a Jew be antisemitic? I thought they could only be self-hating Jews.

    What is a homo-bigot? Is that someone who doesn’t approve of the person or of the the lifestyle, or just someone who disagrees calling it alternative or normal?

    You know there is a difference, right?

  230. Yeah Alfie, I go fixed price on everything. Bookkeepers used to bill hourly but that’s going the way of the horse and buggy.

    I used the $9.99 as a simple example to Tigre of the kind of mental manipulation that goes on.

    Theoretically the bookkeeping is easier to sell than the webinar services but in the beginning bookkeeping gigs are obtained by networking and I have no network to speak of.

    My wife and I have joined forces to start yet another offering. Potentially more esoteric and even harder to sell.

    Fuck me. 😡

  231. “If that’s all you’re saying I fully agree with you.”

    That’s exactly what I said. Verbatim

    “So, to answer your implication, I don’t exempt myself from the unsavory aspects of business.”

    That’s what you just did. 😆

  232. Trump is not hitting on points he should be in this discussion on ISIS, arming the Kurds, and NATO.

    He should have pointed out that Hillary wants to arm the enemy of a NATO ally. She opened the door for him to say it.

    But he didn’t. Because he didn’t know to say it.

    This debate is showing how far out of his depth he is.

    Expect a poll surge for Hillary this week.

  233. Trump had to debate Holt during the stop-and-frisk segment. Whether Holt was correct or not regarding the unconstitutionality, Hillary should have been prepared enough to mention the legality of the policy and not let the fucking moderator do her work for her.

  234. Hillary should have been prepared enough to mention the legality of the policy and not let the fucking moderator do her work for her.

    That was to be expected. Lots of pressure on Holt to fact check during debate. Amazing he didn’t do it more.

    BTW, Holt is a registered Republican.

  235. What surprises me was the meatball thrown at Trump that he did NOT hit out of the park. The minute the debate turned to cyberwarfare, Trump should have talked about the vulnerability of Hillary’s home brewed server. I can’t believe he did not go there.

  236. Holt was lame and utterly biased. That was worse than Crowley. But that should have been expected. The MSM is corrupt as hell, it doesn’t matter what Holt is registered – he’s an obvious Dimocratic hack. He wouldn’t be working for NBC if he wasn’t.

    However, Clinton was so lame, it shouldn’t have mattered. I pretty much considered it a draw.

    It was about two personalities.

  237. Any one of us could have done better.

    How someone gets trapped spending 10 minutes defending a quip from the morning zoo radio show as support for the Iraq war when your standing next to a person who voted for it is beyond me.

    And I agree.. Dude doesn’t obliterate Clinton during the cyber security part? Wtf.

    Tex is correct. Cruz would have decimated her. That being said, the superficial majority in this nation would have still declared him “creepy”.

    Oh man what I would pay to see Gowdy in Trump’s shoes.

    Was it me, or did Hillary get the first and last word on everything.

    Lackluster performance by Trump but he didn’t destroy himself.

  238. “What surprises me was the meatball thrown at Trump that he did NOT hit out of the park. The minute the debate turned to cyberwarfare, Trump should have talked about the vulnerability of Hillary’s home brewed server. I can’t believe he did not go there.”

    Agreed.

    He also should have said the words “reset button”, “I’ll have more flexibility after the election”, and “the 1980s called” during the discussion on Russia. He could have destroyed he for the entire segment. But he said none of those things.

  239. “Lackluster performance by Trump but he didn’t destroy himself.”

    I’d agree with that, too. He didn’t do any damage to her, but he also didn’t do any damage to himself.

  240. Don’t ask me, Huck. He could have destroyed her with specifics on every issue. Hillary Clinton is a massive failure and every conceivable point. And it is not even hard to remember.

    Resetting Russia to the USSR…

  241. I promise you if Hillary Clinton is truly elected President, there is going to be substantial pain to follow. Frankly, I will have no sympathies anymore for these women who continue to put these assholes like Obama and Clinton in power.

    And people will turn on her like they have on South American leaders. But the American public is too stupid in the aggregate to have any idea of what to do or how to do it.

    Trump is absolutely right about the stock market. And the Fed is out of bullets. The artificially low interest rate is a bubble of a magnitude this nation has never seen before.

  242. Ace of Spades wrote that her job tonight was to disqualify him as too scary to elect and his job was to seem like an ordinary Republican. I think that’s a fair assessment, as well as Ace’s conclusion that Trump was probably better at doing his job than Hillary was at doing hers, although neither did their job very well.

    What might have been the most anticipated and watched debate in decades was probably the most boring and pointless.

  243. “Trump is absolutely right about the stock market. And the Fed is out of bullets. The artificially low interest rate is a bubble of a magnitude this nation has never seen before.”

    Maybe that’s what we need. It can happen in Hillary’s watch and there won’t be the Bush Boogieman to blame it on this time.

    In other news, Senate is voting Wed to override what may be the last bill to make it to Obama’s desk. It will be a fitting end to his presidency (even though in this case I agree with the veto).

  244. “You guys act like you actually expected a real debate”

    I don’t think anyone here expected that, we’re simply giving our usual post-game analysis of what we did get.

  245. I knew it was going to be lame on substance. Trump understands the economy better, but other than that I think both are particularly lame. I watched for sheer amusement. And that kind of disappointed because I thought Trump would be a far better counter puncher.

  246. Maybe that’s what we need. It can happen in Hillary’s watch and there won’t be the Bush Boogieman to blame it on this time.

    That thought has crossed my mind. 1992 all over again. Unfortunately, I have no faith anymore in Republicans able to capitalize on much of anything…

    They’ve grown too much to closely resemble Dimocrats.

  247. Holt was lame and utterly biased. That was worse than Crowley.

    Totally wrong. Nowhere near Crowley. Holt was under pressure to stop Trump at every turn. I think Holt was restrained under the circumstances.

  248. Totally wrong. Nowhere near Crowley. Holt was under pressure to stop Trump at every turn

    You just proved my point. Holt should been professional enough to remain neutral, no matter how much pressure there was. Pure NBC MSM hack.

    Holt was anything but neutral. The fact that you don’t see that is no surprise. Neither are you. You’re a hack and always will be – Hillary, or not.

  249. What might have been the most anticipated and watched debate in decades was probably the most boring and pointless.

    And there are two more debates scheduled. What’s the point? We’ve seen all there is to be seen. What we saw is all they have.

  250. Holt also asked Trump a lot of “you’ve said such and such” and “you haven’t done so and so” but he didn’t ask Hillary any of those types of questions.

    He asked Trump about his tax returns but didn’t ask Hillary anything about the Clinton Foundation. Again, let Hillary bring up those things if she wants to discuss them. The questions should have been “here is a problem, what do you plan to do about it?”

  251. He asked Trump about his change on Birtherism during the race segment, but he didn’t ask Hillary about her “superpredator” comment. Trump had to bring it up (as he should had to), and you notice Hillary had absolutely NOTHING to say when he did.

    Because she didn’t have to…because it wasn’t a direct question she was forced to answer or evade.

  252. He asked Trump about his tax returns but didn’t ask Hillary anything about the Clinton Foundation.

    Valid point. I may need someone to compare Lester to for my position to change. Let’s see what Chris Wallace does to Hillary in a few weeks.

    I agree with Rabbit that what Trump told Howard Stern in a bullshit session does not qualify as a policy statement.

    Hell, MSNBC even analyzed how Trump left the venue saying his entourage was less organized in the way they left compared to Hillary. The petty level of criticism is unbelievable.

  253. He asked Trump about his change on Birtherism during the race segment, but he didn’t ask Hillary about her “superpredator” comment.

    Ok. I’ll give Tex credit that I was too easy on Lester. I still think Candy Crowley was worse.

  254. Who won MNF? Don’t care…. 😛 How many of the turf apes were sitting on their hands during the national anthem, protesting their million dollar contracts as “slavery?”

  255. Turkey is no longer an ally by any stretch of the imagination.

    That may be true intellectually but “on the books” they’re still considered an ally.

    Be glad that Trump knew that Turkey was something other than a sandwich meat.

  256. It’s the damnedest thing. Polls seem to be split, some giving Trump the win.

    I think GOP strategist Steve Schmidt captured it well. Trump scored points in the first half and then fatigued in the second half.

  257. “Turkey is no longer an ally by any stretch of the imagination.”

    In the real world that’s true. But a presidential debate isn’t a reflection of the real world.

    She’s the one that brought up NATO. And whether or not you or I or anyone else likes it, Turkey is still a part of NATO. Had Trump said what I said above, it would have put her into a corner. She sure as hell wouldn’t have said what you just said to get herself out of it. She’d have said nothing and he would have scored a hit.

  258. Trump needs to not get angry.

    This from an apolitical middle aged woman married w/ one grown son –
    “Trump for the most part was trump. I just can’t stomach her I’ll say trump. She was way too rehearsed kind of a one sided debate in favor of hil
    She did demonstrate restraint which is the underlying basis of her campaign to gain trust. Trust her to be diplomatic in all situations not get rattled because democrats think he will blow up the world if he get pissed at another country.”

  259. I saw 8-10 polls giving the win to Trump while CNN and Frank Luntz gave it to Hillary.

    “And I’m a registered Democrat.”

    LOL good answer. My immediate thought was “so what, so is Comey.”

    They are all insiders.

    A couple of times I wanted to punch Hillary in her gigantic teeth. I dont know where Bill was sitting in relation to her but did you guys catch her glaring at someone in the audience when Trump was pulling his last punch?

    Artfully worded he wouldn’t have had to pull it. But he’s a clod.

  260. Pete Williams of NBC clarified this. The stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional. DeBlasio chose to discontinue the practice so the ruling was not appealed. I think the implication is that Bloomberg would have appealed it.

  261. Trump pretty much said as much. That a lower court ruled it as such, and that the policy and appeal up the ladder was dropped.

    But he still should have been having that discussion with his opponent, not the moderator.

    Trump also dropped the ball on the issue of no fly, no buy. He started along the right track, talking about going with the plan endorsed by the NRA, and processes to put people on and take people off the list, but I don’t recall him saying the most important words needed–“due process”. He should have pointed out the lack of due process in the current system, and then ask Hillary if she agrees with the idea of due process when denying someone their constitutional rights.

    He failed to put her on the spot.

  262. Whether people want to say Trump won or lost is irrelevant. Had he known what he was doing, he could have absolutely crushed his opponent. But he doesn’t. He’s out of his depth. As pointed out, anyone on this blog could have won that debate against either of them. Any of the candidates on the GOP primary stage could have won that debate.

    You want to point fingers and cast blame for President Hillary Clinton? Point them at stupid motherfuckers like this asshole.

    He and the millions of dumbasses like him are why the GOP has this clueless clown representing it in this election. He is why we will have President Hillary Clinton.

  263. That’s not really what she said but the half truth she floated was surrounded by lies.
    Clinton clearly won the debate in every substantive manner even though a large % of what she said was utter bullshit.
    Trumps numerous woulda coulda shoulda is nothing but proof he shouldn’t be where he is.

  264. “Trumps numerous woulda coulda shoulda is nothing but proof he shouldn’t be where he is.”

    On that I could not agree more. I’ve said as much multiple times.

  265. “That’s not really what she said…”

    Indirectly it is.

    She pointed out that Bush negotiated the pullout and that Obama tried and failed to get a new SoF agreement, which would have continued the occupation and, in essence, the war. They use that to defend against the claim the pullout led to ISIS, but forget all about it when giving Obama credit for ending the war.

  266. I couldn’t believe Trump didn’t bash Hillary Clinton on “Stop and Frisk” didn’t work.

    Good gawd. The murder rate dropped 75% in NYC alone while Rudy Giuliani was mayor. And Trump can’t even mention that fact in the city he resides?

    That’s so lame it boggles the mind.

  267. I’m having this argument elsewhere but I’ll chime in on it here. Strictly speaking stop& frisk was a fail. Broken Windows worked like fucking magic. There is other nuances to the topic but singled out stop & frisk is a trap the democrats are going to use a lot. Its a teap because it wasn’t the policing win and it’s grotesquely unconstitutional.

  268. Strictly speaking stop& frisk was a fail.

    That’s the ACLU and De Blasio talking with their bullshit data. I witnessed stop & frisk in conjunction with the broken windows policy work with my own eyes. In two years, from Dinkins to Guiliani, Manhattan was a completely different city – from chaos to law and order.

    I talked to my friends in Manhattan last month. They said NYC is returning to the days of Dinkins and there is no getting around it.

    Not buying it, Alfie.

  269. This is how I view the ‘debate’:

    What difference at this point does it make?

    They weren’t there to debate. It was just another performance to placate the people. I think we need accountability and transparency more than platitudes and pomp. If we had it, neither candidate would pass a sniff test.

    Maybe an inventory on how much money was spent on this teevee event, including sponsors and all those paid to talk about it, would be enlightening. Points to a peoples’ priorities. Can any of the time spent be counted as worthwhile? What kind of ROI should we, the people, expect?

    Maybe compare it to our top down treatment of teachers in their time spent satisfying administrative burdens while squeezing pay and packing classrooms. Teachers CAN affect a future generation in positive ways. Shouldn’t we be giving them at least half the support we give our political/war machine?

    Just mental masturbation…

  270. All you need to see if stop and frisk works is call the cops on shady fucks casing your neighbor’s house and than watch them get arrested for something. Neighbor 1. Scum 0. I know I’ve seen that play out more than once.

    Then/than?

  271. I couldn’t believe Trump didn’t bash Hillary Clinton on “Stop and Frisk” didn’t work.

    He did bash her and he cited statistics. He then claimed murders are going back up which was later debunked somewhat by some pundit.

    Regarding Rabbit’s comment: calling the cops on some shady fuck casing your neighbors house is not stop and frisk. That’s reasonable cause. Stop and frisk is basically saying “let’s hassle that negro cos we damn well want to and if we find a gun, good for us. If we don’t, tough shit…he’s just a negro.”

    And the word you wanted was “then” not “than”. Then is used in conditional and temporal clauses. Than is used in comparative clauses.

  272. And the word you wanted was “then” not “than”.

    😆 Rutherford’s bar and grammar academy.

    He usually messes that one. He got it right on the last line.
    And ‘because’ with ‘ua’ – dead rabbit giveaways. 😛

  273. “Then is used in conditional and temporal clauses. Than is used in comparative clauses.”

    DAMN son! I got goose bumps reading that! 😀

  274. LOL I actually pulled “temporal clauses” out of my ass as the best way to describe the following usage:

    “First, I comb my hair, then, I brush my teeth.”

    I probably got the punctuation wrong on that one. 😊

  275. He did bash her and he cited statistics. He then claimed murders are going back up which was later debunked somewhat by some pundit.

    Good grief. This is the end result of depending on equally dumb hacks to provide you information…read MSNBC and the 3rd candidate, Lester “Neutral” Holt. P.S. – he’s being slaughtered today for Candy Crowley in a suit. Just like I said last night when you accused me of being wrong.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/26/fbi-violent-crime-across-us-spiked-in-2015-murders-up-nearly-11-percent.html

  276. Ms Machado was proven to be a liar about Trump contributing to her eating disorders. She’s on record saying she was in recovery before she ever entered the pageant.

    I heard Trump talking about Machado on Stern. Stern was ripping on her not Trump.

    Everything Hillary says is a lie. Is that the president we want for our daughters?

  277. I cant think of a world leader who acts like Hillary acted last night.

    Could you be more specific? She clearly got off easy (h/t to Tex) but I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

  278. So FBR Dir Comey has proven he doesn’t know the law. Today he applauded stop & frisk when it’s used “right”. It is un fucking constitutional 😤😱

  279. Stop and question THEN frisk is an entirely different animal. There is no white conservative who would accept stop and frisk for them or their kids its sad they accept it so eagerly for others.

  280. “Regarding Rabbit’s comment: calling the cops on some shady fuck casing your neighbors house is not stop and frisk. That’s reasonable cause.”

    The standard for all stop and frisk is “reasonable suspicion”. Not sure what you are getting at.

  281. In other words, without stop and frisk, you would need probable cause, a higher standard than reasonable suspicion.

    Why not frisk first so that you don’t get your head blown off? You’re already stopping and temporarily taking liberty.

    Quick pat on the outside clothing of a shady fuck is reasonable. I’ve been the recipient more than once.

  282. Quick pat on the outside clothing of a shady fuck is reasonable. I’ve been the recipient more than once.

    Who decides what shady is? I’ve seen an awful lot of shady taking place behind a uniform.

  283. Yes We Can!

    😆 The successes of Obamacare. His legacy will include afflicting legalized graft upon all citizens in the name of healthcare. A boondoggle for corporate profiteers of pain.

  284. You see Trump whispered the insults into Machado’s ear so no one would know.

    “Could you be more specific? She clearly got off easy (h/t to Tex) but I’m not sure what you’re getting at.”

    She acted like a bitch. Self-righteous and smug, disdainful, overbearing, haughty, and contemptible.

  285. Reasonable suspicion.

    I get that whenever people tell me how things are, especially coming from the teevee.

    Cops should be constantly on alert for suspicious behavior. Even within their own rank. The quick pat should be preserved on film, whenever possible. A pat down shouldn’t be an opportunity ala tsa style.

  286. She acted like a bitch. Self-righteous and smug, disdainful, overbearing, haughty, and contemptible.

    LOL Sorry to laugh but you just described Hillary. She acted like herself.

    Serious question Muffy. In your “real” life or online, how are you responding to folks who say opposition to Hillary is nothing but misogyny? A college friend of mine on FB posted an article making this claim – why do people hate Hillary? – Because she’s a woman. I almost went off on it and then stopped because coming from a man, denials of misogyny look suspect.

    What reaction are you getting when you publicly voice opposition to HRC?

  287. ” I almost went off on it and then stopped because coming from a man, denials of misogyny look suspect.”

    What a free flowing exchange of ideas the left creates…..

  288. “I almost went off on it and then stopped because coming from a man, denials of misogyny look suspect.”

    Sounds like your approach to criticism of Obama. It’s all racism.

  289. “I think we can guess Comey’s career has peaked. That said, what a sad way to end a career, looking like an incompetent punk at best and a corrupt punk at worst.”

    Looking? He’s doing the State Departments bidding, who in turn is doing Obama’s bidding, who in turn is doing Clinton’s bidding.

  290. “Serious question Muffy. In your “real” life or online, how are you responding to folks who say opposition to Hillary is nothing but misogyny?”

    I’m dismissive. No one that I care about likes her.

    “A college friend of mine on FB posted an article making this claim – why do people hate Hillary? – Because she’s a woman. I almost went off on it and then stopped because coming from a man, denials of misogyny look suspect.”

    It’s funny, libs are often the least liberated people. Liberal men are afraid to say the wrong thing. I don’t know what to tell you but I find speaking my mind very liberating and if you can’t do it among friends then you’re probably not among friends.

    But if you let a man off the hook for the same behavior (like lying) then you don’t have much room to complain. You can’t be hypocritical about what you hate about the woman.

    “What reaction are you getting when you publicly voice opposition to HRC?”

    Agreement mostly. The only people I know who support her are academics and otherwise elitist, and I don’t engage them. I actually talk politics very little except with family. I used to but it got really old really quickly.

  291. I have come to despise Comey as much as Susan Rice and Obama. Corrupt fuck. If I lived in DC and happened to be in ear shot of him, I couldn’t help verbally abusing him.

  292. “I think we can guess Comey’s Obama’s career has peaked. That said, what a sad way to end a career, looking like an incompetent punk at best and a corrupt punk at worst.”

    After today’s veto override I think this is fitting

  293. “If I lived in DC and happened to be in ear shot of him, I couldn’t help verbally abusing him.”

    That would be fun to hear 😀

  294. “Sorry, “being” not “looking like”. Thank you for the correction King Picker of Nits.”

    It’s a bumper crop this year.

    But for a guy that always talks about “optics” when it comes to disciples of the Obama cult, “being” isn’t a synonym.

    Comey is a cunt.

  295. The override is thoughtless posturing out of touch with reality.
    Sad that after eight years in office one of Obamas singularly pro America acts comes so late and is blown up.
    Uncle Sam is going to earn a lot of frequent flier miles defending ourselves in the corners of the world.
    What’s in your wallet?

  296. Tigre, on a more serious note, Comey genuinely surprises me and I think most of us should be surprised. He had an excellent reputation; served under various administrations and was not considered partisan.

    I thought there was at least a 50/50 chance he’d recommend indictment. His public statement was so damning. He would have been better off just quietly making the recommendation to Lynch.

    Do you (or anyone else here) think the House will immediately seek impeachment proceedings come January 20?

  297. “Comey genuinely surprises me and I think most of us should be surprised.”

    None of us are surprised We told you all along this is what would happen.

  298. I am certainly not surprised. I would be surprised if someone actually DID the job we think they are paid to be doing. It all needs to burn.

  299. R, I am not in the least bit surprised. This is what we’ve become while you were looking the other way. Those nothingburgers are gonna taste like shit when the other guys serve them. And as Huck said, everyone has told you all along this would happen.

  300. Enter another loud chorus of “we told you so.” Lester Holt’s joining Hillary’s side in the debate was also expected. Trump played it badly.

    He could have admitted he made a half- hearted comment in favor of the war before opposing the war. Then, he could have reminded everyone that as a private citizen his word had little power. Hillary voted as a government agent and representative of block of voters.

  301. We have also told you that we are evolving into a Stalinist regime. Hillary has said that we are all racists when we don’t realize it. We need re education, funded by tax money. Betsys Page comments and also describes how the regime has turned colleges into dens of injustice.

    This regime has recreated the FBI, IRS and some other government agencies into agents of oppression.

    Singer and talk show host Sofia Jannok lives far away, and she is part of an esoteric indiginous culture few of us even know exists. How can she understand the rot which infects our government when so many of us are blinded by imaginary light?”

  302. Thanks for the videos, Tex. I like the Airplane movies.

    People have been killed and injured in New Jersey. We have a hostage situation in a store not far from our daughter and son in law’s house.

    Here is my diversion. Our lawyer’s daughter knows her. Our daughter and she are about the same age, and they look like sisters. Both have firey dispositions and have made grown men cry.

    She has twice been nominated for gramies. Our daughter can’t sing a note.

  303. Rutherford, I think some will try for impeachment. I don’t know if the dirty little cowards will follow through, but they will try. It will be a partisan event.

  304. @ Rutherford:
    a. Little bit surprised
    b. I do believe Comey’s termination is on the House menu. Might happen before 2017.
    c. Hillary will not face impeachment secondary House weaknesses and the Senate isn’t having it.

  305. “Hillary will not face impeachment secondary House weaknesses and the Senate isn’t having it.”

    I think maybe he meant Comey.

    The Trump Camp is being stupid again. They are going to go after Bill Clinton’s womanizing when what they should be doing is going after Hillary’s reaction to it. Every time someone brings up this Miss Universe thing (Hillary already has ads out about it), they should bring up Hillary calling women “trailer trash” and “bimbos”.

  306. I think maybe he meant Comey.
    The Trump Camp is being stupid again. They are going to go after Bill Clinton’s womanizing when what they should be doing is going after Hillary’s reaction to it. Every time someone brings up this Miss Universe thing (Hillary already has ads out about it), they should bring up Hillary calling women “trailer trash” and “bimbos”.

    No, I meant Hillary.

    The Trump camp isn’t being stupid. The media is playing dumb on this. Trump surrogates are talking about Hillary’s reaction to the mistresses, not Bill’s behavior. But in every interview, the TV pundit plays dumb, does not listen, or is willfully ignorant and asks “why is Bill’s behavior Hillary’s fault?” Then the surrogate gets flummoxed or gets shouted down by the TV talking head.

    So – if Trump goes there in the next debate, he MUST be very clear that he’s talking about Hillary’s behavior, not Bill’s.

  307. Muffy, I’m seeing Trump surrogates all the time. Boris Epshteyn shows up a lot.

    The problem is that Trump’s surrogates are piss poor communicators. They go on lib shows and get shouted down or abused. They don’t make their case crisply. Sometimes they just come off moronic.

    Trump is going after a well oiled machine with a jalopy. Still, I think the 24/7 news bias against Trump may backfire and actually result in his election.

  308. I agree.

    The former beauty star can be made into a poor weapon for attacking Trump. She is a shady character. Trumpists can carefully throw it back at Hillary.

  309. I’m with Alfie on the veto override.

    As much as I like to finally see an Obama rebuke, I think permitting suits against S.A. is a big mistake we’re gonna pay for. Of course, the libs consider it a rebuke of G.W., and that’s why they went for it. But I’m pretty sure that it will have the opposite effect.

    If S.A. assisted in a plot to attack the U.S., that’s an attack on the united states and, frankly, an act of war. It needs to be treated as such and not the basis for a lawsuit in an uncertain forum where the the right to meaningfully obtain information and confront your opponent is nonexistent.

    And “no’,” Rutherford, I’m not saying we declare war on S.A. Just that we treat the event for what it is an act accordingly.

  310. And “no’,” Rutherford, I’m not saying we declare war on S.A. Just that we treat the event for what it is an act accordingly.

    So, those two sentences taken together tell me you do not think SA committed an act of war and therefore for us to act accordingly is to do nothing. Do I get that right?

    I understand why you, Huck and Alfie oppose this. I just want to see justice served and it bothers me to no end that SA pretends to be our friend while they spread their radical shit all over the middle east. If suing the rich bastards isn’t the answer, what is?

  311. Rutherford a blurry area exists when you talk about Saudi Arabia. There are people attached to the government and the House of Saud whose actions are not necessarily condoned or done in the name of those entities. These people are in fact very dangerous on home turf and internationally.

  312. Wahabbiism [sp?] is however spread with full permission and financial support of the Kingdom. I’m not sure if even that though is a route to take in pursuing “justice”.

  313. “So, those two sentences taken together tell me you do not think SA committed an act of war and therefore for us to act accordingly is to do nothing. Do I get that right?”

    No.

  314. If Gary Johnson looks good to you then it’s time for a new pair of glasses.

    A poor debate performance and calling an overweight woman an overweight woman. Or guaranteed relentless social aggression with the goal to eradicate everything that they hate.

  315. The veto was probably a ruse to give Obama the opening to do the right thing without it actually coming to pass, and to give congressional dems cover.

  316. A poor debate performance and calling an overweight woman an overweight woman.

    That’s hardly enough to condemn Trump. If you want Berlusconi then Trump is your man.

    Trump and Johnson are both crap shoots with Johnson/Weld as essentially co-presidents possibly able to manage a compromise government instead of a stalemate.

    Unlike Tigre, I don’t so much doubt Gary’s intellect as I truly think he’s a stoner. Not sure how that bodes for the presidency.

    There is only one certainty in this race: Hillary Clinton will have a Nixonian presidency during which the nation will become more polarized and our problems will get worse.

    P.S. I’m surprised Evan McMullen never caught fire at all. Even Bill Kristol didn’t back him.

  317. I agree the lawsuit could be a bad idea. What do we do, nothing? We treat it as an act of war as was written. We kill them one by one as the Russians and Isralies have done.

    Remember, Trotsky wrongly thought he was safe in Mexico.

  318. I didn’t bother to study Johnson/Weld, or McMullen because they were a waste of time. They are still a waste of time.

    I am not a conservative and even less so socially.

  319. “@ dead rabbit Terry stops are not what the NYPD did most of the time.” Alfie

    Can you elaborate on this? I’m not close to being even an arm chair defense attorney, but how can any stop and frisk go down with out Terry vs. Ohio, not counting an automobile stop?

    Are you saying that in reality the standard of reasonable suspicion wasn’t being applied or is there an entire different kind of stop and frisk I’m not aware of… Which could easily be the case.

  320. “Oh … and Muffy, fiscal conservatism beats social conservatism any day of the week. Maybe you can stop fighting social battles long enough to get the budget balanced.”

    One side engages in groupthink and, as I said before, relentless social aggression with the goal to eradicate everything that they hate. And that’s yours.

  321. Reasonable suspicion is great and in the precedent setting case the officers gut feeling was substantially bulked up by good police skills. The pat down was rather superficial though, very focused on outer garments. NYPD has been called out for far more aggressive pat downs.
    The UF 250 checklist is also something I’m not cool with. I think it helps breed bad policing.
    This is all in all a tough spot for me because I believe in community policing and am a HUGE proponent of Broken Windows policing. That said I have a problem with how easily stop and frisk damages community relations and how it amounts to the state all too often unjustifiably putting hands on a citizen.

  322. “NYPD has been called out for far more aggressive pat downs.”

    So your not saying stop and frisk should be unconstitutional or plain old wrong, you are saying the NYPD is fucking it all up.

    It’s a police problem and not a stop and frisk problem.

    And yeah… It is a tight rope. You want the community police thing, but want the police to play Russian Roulette while they do it.

    Reason 4,567 why I’m glad I’m not a cop.

  323. Oh puhleeze Muffy, both sides engage in group think, almost by definition. Social activism does not exist in a vacuum. There’s persistence and resistance. If either stops, the conflict stops and we can get on with getting our financial house in order.

    I think the Libertarians are onto something. Shame they are lead by Stoner Johnson. My FB friends are telling me a Johnson vote is a Trump vote. 😟

  324. It’s only Thursday. Maybe his budmaster gave him the wrong blend. 🙂 Tex, you have no clue when it comes to cannabis. Johnson’s a dud whether he smokes or not. Maybe it intensifies his personality…

  325. “Social activism does not exist in a vacuum. There’s persistence and resistance. If either stops, the conflict stops and we can get on with getting our financial house in order.”

    The left persists in picking fights with the right to keep its voters voting. Otherwise they have nothing to offer them.

    The left is always the aggressor on social issues.

  326. “That’s hardly enough to condemn Trump.”

    That was the point.

    People hardly ever talk about the tangible effects of a Trump presidency. It’s all fat women and put yall back in chains and Trump cant have the codes, not the codes!

    People talk about the nuclear codes like its a fucking pin number. Matter of fact anyone who would trust Hillary with their pin number is a fool.

  327. The left. The right. When are people going to learn not to lean? 😐

    “The thing about cannabis is that it’s a medical plant in a way,” she said. “In addition to the few people know – THC, CBD [tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol] – there are more than 400 micro-compounds in the plant.”

    While patients can receive a certain number of grams of cannabis with their prescriptions, it is also critical to understand precisely what is inside these grams, according to Bernstein.

    “Now, if we want to grow the plants to give us medicines, it is very important in every dosage of medicine we give to the patient to have the same amount of whatever is helping,” she said.

    Bernstein’s goal is to learn how to guide the plants to produce the most effective ingredients for specific medical conditions – thereby developing “a safer cannabis for the patient,” she explained, adding that many environmental factors go into developing the plant, such as light intensity, the amount of water used, fertilizers and humidity.

    “The magic in cannabis is the combination of the different compounds together,” she said.

    Another issue Bernstein is interested in tackling is how cannabis could possibly serve as an anti-diabetic drug, due to its ability to lower blood sugar.

    “Cannabis has potential for so many other conditions, as well,” she said. “I think we are really at a turning point in terms of usage of cannabis for medical purposes.”

    Dr. Hinanit Koltai, who is also researching medical cannabis at Volcani, is looking into the plant’s development as a medicine for inflammatory bowel diseases such as Crohn’s and colitis.

    http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Health-and-Science/After-years-of-quiet-progress-medical-cannabis-research-advancing-at-Israeli-govt-institute-464837

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/health/.premium-1.651249

  328. Someone had better talk about the tangible effects of President Hillary. They will be awesome in a bad way. We know that but too many don’t or don’t care.

  329. “People talk even less about the tangible effects of a Hillary presidency”

    Including her. I have not seen 1 ad from her that is not talking about Trump. And I mean that literally.

  330. @ Muffy love the nuclear codes PIN # line but
    The left is always the aggressor on social issues.
    I have to chime in that that is really in the eye of the beholder.

  331. Muffy you raise a good point about the “effects” that any individual might have on the presidency. The public discourse really does not lean toward that analysis. For example, what are the odds that an HRC presidency will result in further Washington gridlock and Nixon level scandals?

    We don’t seem to be a country that talks much about consequences.

  332. Google vids of A.J. Delgado. She’s a Trump advisor who seems to hit a home run every time I see her. They need to fire that other idiot (Katrina Pierson) and use Delgado instead.

  333. Tex, there has to be more to that story. Please be more to that story.

    I learned Navy is getting rid of it’s rates because they aren’t gender neutral. This after naming a ship after a man who raped a boy.

    My sons would normally be exactly the demographic that enlists. Fuck if I am going influence them to join the left’s perverse social experiment.

  334. A Florida deputy is being accused of excessive force, and adding insult to injury by baking his victim a “sorry I tased you” cake. According to victim Stephanie Byron, deputy Michael Wohlers showed up at the building where she worked for no reason. He then began bullying her and other employees that were present.

    The lawsuit states that the officer “used his apparent law enforcement authority to intimidate, harass, and threaten plaintiff … about her personal life. Because Wohlers did not like how Plaintiff failed to respond to his show of authority, Wohlers became increasingly aggressive toward employees at the apartment complex’s office, including with Ms. Byron.”

    Ms. Byron says that the officer then took a Sweet Tea that was sitting on her desk and refused to give it back to her. When she attempted to get her drink back, the officer tased her in the throat and chest and then jumped on top of her when she fell to the ground, placing his knees firmly on her chest and forcefully removing the taser prongs.

    The official statement from the police department and from deputy Wohlers report suggests that this was a simple occurrence of “horseplay.” However, Byron says that this issue was no joke and that there was no “play” on her part whatsoever. She was randomly bullied and attacked by a corrupt officer, who had no official business at the location where the incident occurred.

    To add insult to injury, Wohlers later attempted to apologize to Byron by baking her a cake with the image of a police officer tasing a person, with the words “sorry I tased you.”

    https://www.sott.net/article/329746-Cop-attacks-innocent-woman-tasers-her-for-no-reason-calls-it-horseplay-then-gives-her-a-Sorry-I-Tased-You-cake

  335. “I have to chime in that that is really in the eye of the beholder.”

    I initially thought the same must be true (I had seen it in an article earlier in the week) but then I found I could not dispute it.

  336. @ Muffy what kind of things are we talking? I mean just because the left wants gender fluidity etc I don’t see that as a micro aggression against the right. One side taking offense is not the same as a side being intentionally offensive.

  337. Rabbit you peaked my curiosity which doesn’t take much when it comes to the USN since I absolutely despise SECNAV Mabus.
    Rest assured that the gender thing was a bit of a ruse. E!-E3 will be called SEAMEN. Officially the rating names like foreman,airman etc are gone. Corpsman or corpsman if you’re Obama is still a job title under the medical support banner with new coding of HM-xxxx.The x’s would be numbers that are specific job titles.

  338. @ Alfie – pretty much every social issue, there’s not even the pretense of debate or promise of compromise anymore.

    It’s not about taking offense it’s about being forced to participate in their bizarre social schemes.

    All you need to know to speculate about what the next inevitable social initiative from the left is going to be is to know what the right is willing to accept as it relates to themselves and their own participation on any given social issue and then go one step beyond that. Otherwise there’s nothing that differentiates the left as presented to their voters.

    Any concern or line in the sand about any social issue that the right raises will be deemed phobia one day, only to become law or mandate or threats to cut federal funding the next day.

  339. The irony is thick enough to cut with a knife. Take any of these pundits sooo concerned about how Trump treats women and watch how they treat female Trump supporters. Suddenly the chivalry goes right out the window.

    The Trump candidacy has lifted a rock on American society and shed light on all the maggots. How depressing.

  340. I’m hopiing thw corrupt liar gets lung cancer.

    Maybe there is a God. Something prevented Rabbit from typing that hateful comment without a slew of typos.

    On a sunnier note, Obama being somewhat young, it will be interesting to see how he spends the next 20 to 25 years. As Jimmy Carter and GWB proved, a post-presidency can truly be a time for good works.

  341. I strongly recommend everyone sample “Designated Survivor” (I think it’s ABC). In the second episode, the Governor of Michigan (ahem, Rabbit) tells the new POTUS to go fuck himself. The show gives a chilling portrayal of how this country could unravel.

    I admit the acting is NOT top notch but the premise is riveting.

  342. If their tongues would swell with each lie and then they swallow it and suffocate. That would be fitting. Otherwise I think SHC would be awesome.

  343. I can only paraphrase but this is a near classic quote from Rudy Giuliani who has gone totally postal.

    “If Hillary didn’t know Monica was telling the truth, she’s too stupid to be President.”

    😂😂😂

  344. Well this is disturbing. There is a rumor floating that Bill Weld may bail from the L ticket. Apparently he also said no one, including his running mate is more qualified to be POTUS than Hillary.

    WTF? 😳😳😳😳

  345. “None of the above” Rutherford. Don’t see it as a wasted vote, see it as a clear message.

    I think “none of the above” is going to get more than ever this time.

  346. None won’t win any elections except for Hillary or Trump. Otherwise, I might legally change my name to None.

    Voters took us where we are. As the magots wriggle from under the rock, I will be safe in my isolated part of the world and watch the perps suffer.

  347. Yeah Huck I’m starting to lean towards voting down ticket only and leave the whole presidential mess to other people. Hell, that was my first instinct back when I floated the idea “boycott the vote”.

  348. I also want to see “Designated Survivor”. I have seen societies disintegrate in fiction, history, and in real life. Once they reach a critical point they fail rapidly.

  349. The origins of the ballot option “None of the Above” in the United States can be traced to when the State of Nevada adopted “None of These Candidates” as a ballot option in 1976.[13] In 1998 in California, citizen proponents of Proposition 23, titled the “None of the Above Act,” qualified a new State ballot initiative through circulated petitions submitted to the Secretary of State.[14] But the measure was defeated in the March 2000 general election 64% to 36%.[15] Were it to be passed by the voters, it was meant to require this new ballot option for all state and federal elective offices, exempting only local judicial races; in determining official election results, the “none of the above” voter tally would be discarded in favor of the candidate with the greatest number of votes.[16]

    No similar options were known to have been permitted, much less approved, on any other state levels, least of all the federal level, as of the middle of August of 2016.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_the_above

  350. zerochangehedge.com says a hacked video shows Hillary telling supporters that Bernie Sanders ‘supporters are children living in their parents’ basements. She also admitted that those children had bleak futures.

    Hillary mocks voters she needs, and her party rigs the votes against Sanders.

    Bernie is either too obtuse to understand how he and his followers have been played, or he is in on the deal. That leaves Bernie supporters exposed as the suckers they are. How does it feel?

    I’m still voting for Trump. It is the only choice which will unequivacablly express my hatred of Hillary and her gang.

  351. @ Rutherford the Weld story is a Clinton plant. Weld is very much on record as saying he’s not going anywhere.
    Hillary is using every trick in her extensive book.

  352. ”Holy crap! Hey Muffy, how you like what your hometown paper did?”

    What, refused to let me have the end rolls of blank newsprint for cheap? $20 a pop they wanted.

    I’m not impressed. They’ve published some positively goofy articles of late. They explicitly do not endorse Trump and largely leave us to assume it’s rather obvious why. There’s a lot of that going around.

    ”Trump has gone out of his way to anger world leaders, giant swaths of the American public, and people of other lands who aspire to immigrate here legally. He has neither the character nor the prudent disposition for the job.” -them

    This isn’t simply their conclusion, it’s their entire argument.

    I really don’t care much what the world thinks anymore. I may have a bone to pick with the world myself. For starters, how they fuck did you let your countries get so fucked up?

    So how do you like the brave stance the Trib took? Have they convinced you with the allure of a “principled” vote?

  353. ”Muffy, last I looked no one told you that you had to marry a woman.”

    @Alfie – I gather from Rutherford’s in depth analysis above, following my response to you, that he would like to take the opposing viewpoint that gay rights trump the first amendment.

  354. What kind of person needs 14 contact numbers anyway? A con man is the only answer I can come up with. Most professionals I know have 3 or less. Actually most I know route everything to their handheld devices. But then most aren’t creepy, whereas the donald definitely has a definite creepiness about him. The following SHOULD cause evangelicals to rethink, if not bail.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3816414/Seventeen-year-old-Ivanka-Trump-dad-swear-never-date-younger-her.html

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/298795-report-trump-briefly-appeared-in-a-playboy-softcore-porn

    Likely it won’t, as they live so far off base already.

  355. Bernie Sanders’ fans are conned suckers. Donald Trump was also suckered into a scam, and thousands or millions bought it with him.
    Newsbusters reports that the porn star was part of a plan set up by the Clinton campaign, Cosmo Magazine and The Guardian last August. They were ready to spring as soon as Hillary hit Trump with Machado in the debate. The Daily Mail, not a domestic news source first reported the sordid details of Machado’s slutty life.

    These two scams, Benghazi, and Hillary’s enabling Bill’s sexual predatory career outweigh Trump’s being a cad. Compared to the Clintons, his awful behavior isn’t worth a pail of warm spit.

  356. So how do you like the brave stance the Trib took? Have they convinced you with the allure of a “principled” vote?

    I have far more respect for the Trib than for that Texas conservative paper that endorsed Hillary. You can’t call yourself a conservative paper and then endorse Hillary. At least the Tribune pointed out the flaws of both candidates.

    I’m still on a fence about the stunt USA Today pulled.

  357. That leaves Bernie supporters exposed as the suckers they are. How does it feel?

    Nope a good many Sandernistas are #neverHillary like me. She’s in deep trouble with the 18 to 30 block – bad enough to possibly lose her the election.

  358. he would like to take the opposing viewpoint that gay rights trump the first amendment.

    I think nothing trumps the first amendment short of inciting a riot. (And that gets murky as well.)

    Alfie, to my surprise, seemed to buy your argument which remains incredibly biased and a bit melodramatic.

    This may not apply to you, Muffy but I sense among many social conservatives the mistaken belief that gays want to “convert” them. A gay person advocating for the validity of his lifestyle for him is a far cry from saying its a good fit for you. I’m not sure many social conservatives get that.

    And to the extend gays demand “acceptance” it is a reaction to the bigotry they perceive. When it comes to sex, everyone would be best to just mind their own business.

  359. Hillary’s enabling Bill’s sexual predatory career

    This phrase is fraught with peril as it dances on a thin line that could lose Trump the argument.

    If he goes there, and I’m not convinced he should, he CANNOT suggest that Bill’s indiscretions are Hillary’s fault. He must focus on how HRC dealt with it after the fact, demeaning the mistresses, etc.

    The BEST place to go in this area is to ignore Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc and focus like a laser on Monica because THAT is workplace sexual harassment which feminists supposedly have zero tolerance for. How Hillary treated Monica, in particular is VERY relevant to her feminists bona fides.

    But shit just the other day I heard WAPO Gene Robinson suggest she didn’t even report Bill so it’s a nothingburger.

  360. I agree that the predator statement is dangerous though true. Its also true Hillary did not make Bill commit his acts. Trump had best watch for more traps and be careful not to over react as you wrote. Most of the electorate is too ignorant to focus on details. The campaign wants Trump to destroy himself with silly rants.

  361. Alfie, to my surprise, seemed to buy your argument which remains incredibly biased and a bit melodramatic.
    That’s not what my comment was getting at,contextually.
    I don’t believe either the left or right is purposely or maliciously trying to just yank one anothers chain.
    I do think both sides overreact so as to excite and motivate their base.

  362. @Alfie – I got your drift and I didnt see you “buying” anything. We agreed to disagree already about which side is the aggressor in the culture wars.

    In any case I dont think and I didnt say that the left picks fights just to yank chains. I thought I made it pretty clear that I believe the left determines their next fight based on where the right currently draws the line. Whatever the issue, wherever the line.

  363. R, your comments about “social conservatism” and gays is a wiff. The very term “conservatism” ought to be a clue. After all this time I’d think you could come at it with some better insight.

    P.s. Hillary led a campaign to disgrace and crush all of Bill’s accusers. It’s vile and typical of the two of them. And to prove how full of shit they are about their own motivations, the feminists defended the Clintons.

  364. As for the First, your party higher-ups have engaged in serious discussions of prosecuting global warming skeptics and scientists. They have branded political opposition “hate speech” to criminalize and suppress — all actively and passively condoned by the rank and file. You’re deluding yourself if you consider Bernie an exception or the First not under attack.

  365. @ Muffy we’re dancing around why I felt this all would be a great post. Progressive and Conservative thinking need not be at odds. Arguably the best progressive politician of US history was a Republican, Theodore Roosevelt. The embodiment of Republican right wing solution/ideas to very real issues in the more modern era is of course Newt Gingrich.
    That conservatives rail against social issue push aka progress I think shows a paranoid,parochial and pathetic sell out to actually doing something other than drawing lines in the sand one plunges their heads into.

  366. @Tigre – one tangible effect of a Hillary presidency is more “Dear Colleague” letters going out with the clear message to STFU or else.

  367. Alfie you wrote a while back that the SCOTUS wasnt the factor people were making it out to be per the election or something. Do you remember what that was about?

  368. Hillary led a campaign to disgrace and crush all of Bill’s accusers. It’s vile and typical of the two of them. And to prove how full of shit they are about their own motivations, the feminists defended the Clintons.

    Where did I say otherwise? However to make an effective argument you do have to make a distinction.

    Most of the women who Bill screwed don’t engender sympathy and therefore don’t make Hillary look bad by her actions. BUT Monica was clearly a victim. Hillary going after a victim looks bad. That’s why I say she should be Donald’s focus if he’s gonna go there.

  369. Alfie, I misunderstood the following:

    There is a worthy post!

    I thought you were saying Muffy’s comment that preceded yours was a worthy post, not that it would be fodder for a good blog post. My bad.

  370. Yea its not Trump insults women or Weld says he’s with Her but its got teeth.

    @Alfie are you up on the Mass bill going into effect this month re: transgenders and spaghetti suppers and whatnot? Are we talking about locker rooms yet or is that still never going to happen?

    Do you still draw the line at post-op?

  371. Politics is war without guns and explosives.

    Each side tries to destroy the other. Threats to the First Amendment come from a political and cultural group which considers itself to be the majority. Weakening the freedom of speech whether legally or culturally is merely a device for one side to destroy the other.

    Black Lives Matter and words mean nothing except for what their creators want them to mean.

  372. R, we’re talking past each other.

    First, I think it’s the “The Clintons” (plural), not a distinction between the two that needs to be drilled down on. Bill is no longer popular. The left is not invested in him like an Obama where he can say and do anything without backlash as before.

    Second, you may have a view of Monica as a superior victim but Monica fits into the generalized category of “already litigated” yesterday’s news, as with the rest of them. Hillary has already been declared a victim of the Lewinski scandal too. Plus Monica ain’t that young anymore. I think parading her and the event around is no better than hammering the totality of The Clintons’ conduct.

    You guys made Monica forever a joke and forever pushed her into the dustbin of history. It will always be “just sex between two consenting adults.” So I don’t think hammering Hillary is a matter of who is a “better victim” with Monica. It’s going at the whole package that doesn’t allow you guys to make Hillary the victim. . . again.

    The mindset is establishment versus anti-establishment. “The Clintons” are an establishment machine. Hillary is a put upon target of Trumps’ misogyny. IMO, that doesn’t change if Monica is dealt with separately.

  373. @ Rutherford I disagree with the use of the word “fodder” secondary to thinking an expansion of Muffy’s commentary would be worthy of exploring as would an expansion of mine and even someone like yourslf. I believe that combination would indeed be something even if it only proves to show more set divisions instead of common ground.

  374. @ Muffy I don’t remember exactly but I do know my general attitude is that people ,the majority, are not looking at the election as SCOTUS focus kind of thing even though they should. I don’t even get the vibe the candidates want that to be an issue even though I personally have come to the point that is is somewhere in the top 3.

  375. @ Muffy on the MGL. that went into effect recently. No I am not on board other than YES I support post ops rights. I find this law misguided and open to abuse and higher costs to businesses & therefore consumers. I especially found the AG guide to be shameful and dripping of the condescension the positions supporters overplay.
    Again we’re back to that post that isn’t written but is writing itself.
    Yes progressives push an agenda item that has powerful impact potential. Yes the progressives dress the issue in lies including the biggie of “if you don’t like this you’re a bigot”. Conservatives only stood in total opposition and stretched for nightmare scenario occurrences of additional extra creepies in our locker rooms.
    Nobody stood for the confused and bully and nobody guaranteed the rights of post-ops who in other corners of the nations have had laws aimed against them in the same misguided hammer manner.
    There is movement to get a repeal ballot initiative in 2018. I don’t believe I will support that and am holding out hope for amendments that make rights meet reality. I have positions in that realm.

  376. “Nobody stood for the confused and bully and nobody guaranteed the rights of post-ops who in other corners of the nations have had laws aimed against them in the same misguided hammer manner.”

    Well said Alfie.

    And thanks for sharing your insights which I find to be altogether enlightening!

  377. Should’ve been bullied not bully but I imagine people get the point.
    @ Muffy FWIW thanks for the dialogue. I appreciate you sharing your passion and backgrounders to your views.

  378. Im starting to think the meaning of Words Matter is similar to Black Lives Matter.

    I think I know where you’re headed here. Are you suggesting that “words matter” is what you hear right before they prosecute you for “hate speech”? If that’s your line of thinking then I’m with you except I think it’s a misuse of the term.

    “Words matter” should mean very simply that effective expression involves the careful and accurate choice of words. For me, it’s not about being politically correct. It’s about being precise.

    And before you or anyone else goes there, I don’t claim to be perfect in this area.

  379. First, I think it’s the “The Clintons” (plural), not a distinction between the two that needs to be drilled down on.

    Fair enough. Maybe I’m overestimating the effectiveness of a more focused attack.

  380. So the October Surprise according to ABC is Trump’s tax return from the 90’s.

    For the record, in most of the years that I have been open for business, I have taken a loss and I reported thusly to the IRS.

    Trump, on a grander scale, did exactly what I have done. WTF is the problem? Are his opponents suggesting the notion of business losses should be eliminated from the tax code?

    This “throw everything at Trump and see what sticks” is so fucking inane. He is a disaster as a candidate. No need … zero, nada, zilch, to make up stupid controversies.

  381. “Here comes the woman with the look in her eye…with flesh on her mind,
    Here comes the man… fed on nothing but full of pride…
    Words as weapons, sharper than knives..

    Future uncertain, but certainly slight

    Its hard to believe we need a place called hell.”
    “Devil Inside” In Xcess

  382. Question for the bar:

    Is all this talk of Russian influence on the election a signal that Clinton campaign and/or MSM seriously think she might lose this election and they’re lining up a scapegoat? Planning to delegitimize a Trump win? If so the irony is jaw dropping as Trump has been repeatedly (and rightly) accused of trying to delegitimize the Obama presidency.

  383. “Turn into James”? I like that.

    I also like the video.

    From my prospective the song is about love and loss.
    “If the sun comes up
    and I’m not home
    be strong
    If I’m not beside you
    Do your best to
    carry on…Tell them that their daddy was a good man.”

    If words fail and our society refuses to reconcile with itself, this song will be prophetic.

    In that respect, the song is relevant to the earlier discussion.

  384. “This “throw everything at Trump and see what sticks” is so fucking inane. He is a disaster as a candidate. No need … zero, nada, zilch, to make up stupid controversies.”

    But trump is too stupid to deal with them the way he should.

    His response to the claim he paid no taxes shouldn’t be “that’s because I’m smart”, it should be “do you pay more taxes than you have to?”

    The 1st reply is subject to attack, as we have seen. I don’t think he is going to get too many “yes” answers to the 2nd reply.

  385. Attack the opponent so you don’t have to speak about yourself.
    Clinton camp Russia thing is more about draconian government action after she is sworn in.

  386. “His response to the claim he paid no taxes shouldn’t be “that’s because I’m smart”, it should be “do you pay more taxes than you have to?” – Huck

    In Trump’s defense, I heard him say exactly that more than once. I even thought he did in his clumsy debate.

  387. A Public TV documentary showed that Trump and Hillary are psychologically damaged. Trump’s father, for example, taught his children that winning is everything. If you lose, you are less than a failure. You are nothing.

    Trump and his childhood friends say he is the same person he was in kindergarten. He may be running in part because he needs the attention.

    Throwing everything at Trump reflects the fear his political enemies feel. No trips to dreamland raise the probability of a Trump victory. Yet, Donald just might win. A politician attending the Republican National Convention said “We have 72 hours to destroy Sarah Palin. They probably feel something similar about Trump.

    I agree, Trump’s lack of impulse control in accusatory situations will hurt him again. He should do as Huck suggests and even say he knows the tax code well enough to fix it. Poorer people do what he does to save tax money on a smaller scale. Trump could mention that. He should acknowledge the dirt is true if it is and throw some back as he turns bad findings to his advantage.

  388. Clinton camp Russia thing is more about draconian government action after she is sworn in.

    Interesting perspective. Gives HRC a lot of credit for strategic planning.

  389. Totally unserious question. Will the black community riot and otherwise protest when nobody cares about police shootings? I’m asking primarily due to the two latest out of CA. Both look like good shoots with a pile of post Ferguson bullshit tied into them. Los Angeles suspect running with arms up😉 Riiiigghht. El Cajon clean. Don’t know if guy was nuts but I dare anyone to look at that one and say they wouldn’t have dropped the guy.

  390. We did the same as Trump during the farm recession. Our farm lost a ton of money one year, and legally declaring the loss gave us a refund which helped pay for supplies for the next crop year.

    This is another part of the press’ connection to the campaign. They coordinate. Segments of the news media are mostly Clinton publicists. Chuck Todd for example lied that this tax break was unavailable to other, poorer tax payers.

  391. “In Trump’s defense, I heard him say exactly that more than once. I even thought he did in his clumsy debate.”

    Perhaps he did and I missed it. It get’s tough to follow that train sometimes 🙂

  392. “Rabbit is right that Trump has framed taxes as pay as little as legally possible.”

    I’m not talking about him using that frame, I am talking about him using those words.

    If he actually asked the accuser “do you pay more taxes than you have to?”, of course the person will answer “no”. Then his follow-up response could be “should I?”

    It leads the accuser into a trap of their own making. They are either forced to admit they want a different standard for him and shows their bias, or they are forced to admit he is smart, and they make his argument for him.

    Or they won’t answer, in which case the Trump’s taxes discussion ends.

  393. “Clinton camp Russia thing is more about draconian government action after she is sworn in.”

    I think it’s about deflection. Like when you catch your kid doing something they aren’t supposed to be doing and they respond with “what, are you spying on me now?”, trying to turn it back onto you.

    They want to discussion to be about Russia rather than it be about what they are getting caught doing.

  394. Will the black community riot and otherwise protest when nobody cares about police shootings?

    I must be misunderstanding the question. It’s already happening.

  395. They want to discussion to be about Russia rather than it be about what they are getting caught doing.

    Right although I’m not talking about the email leaks only. The new meme is Russia will hack the voter rolls and somehow throw the election to Trump.

  396. “Right although I’m not talking about the email leaks only. The new meme is Russia will hack the voter rolls and somehow throw the election to Trump.

    We should tell them that doing so world begin a nuclear holocaust.

  397. “Perhaps he did and I missed it. It get’s tough to follow that train sometimes

    I find that steady drinking helps Trump’s debate rhythm and style become more accessible to me.

  398. We should tell them that doing so world begin a nuclear holocaust.

    Funny you mention that because I think this morning on George Snuffalupagus’s show the topic of a cyber strike against Russia by the US came up. It was suggested that caution is warranted because escalation could result in an attack on our vulnerable power grid.

  399. So now Trump is physically mocking Hillary’s stumble into the limo from 2 weeks ago and suggesting she may have cheated on Bill.

    I swear, this motherfucker is a paid Clinton plant to guarantee her election. That’s the only plausible explanation for his behavior. The question is how did HRC pull this off so brilliantly without collusion from the RNC?

  400. “exactly why so many millions of Americans are frustrated, they are angry, they are disgusted at what they see is a corrupt political system in this country,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-Vt.)

    And he’s still supporting Hillary….

  401. And he went from selling himself out to selling his supporters out.

    Hillary says they’re all just a bunch of freeloading basement dwellers and he doesn’t blink an eye.

  402. Bernie Sanders sold out because he is a whore.

    Zero Hedge shows Hillary’s 2015 tax return page. She did the same as Trump with less money. The New York Times did too.

    This raises questions. Was her campaign, including the news media so stupid as to think no one would notice, or didn’t they care? Did they play the Trump tax for shock value knowing allies in the media would mute or hide the news of Hillary’s tax shelter?

    I vote for collusion.

    There was a time if I had made such a claim you would have written that I was as crazy as the times I wrote that Obama was an unofficial part of ACORN and that he was a socialist. Collusion is more plausible now.

  403. And he’s still supporting Hillary….

    Bernie has turned into one ginormous fucking disappointment. I should have seen the writing on the wall with the “damn emails” comment. If you ignore your opponents biggest vulnerability, you’re not serious about winning.

    I fooled myself into believing he was taking the high road. Total bullshit.

  404. You know what defines a total loser? When you’re not even remembered for your put-downs.

    I watched a discussion the other day where Hillary was praised for refusing to comment on a shot taken at her during a Dem primary debate. The shot was mistakenly attributed to Martin O’Malley. It was actually said by Lincoln Chafee.

    Chafee is such a loser no one remembers he even ran.

  405. Silverman hit my shitlist at the DNC convention. She acquitted herself slightly better on Bill Maher Friday night by softening a bit on disgruntled Sandernistas.

    That night at the convention I wanted to punch her in the face.

  406. Yeah she is still a no talent slut. Her bitching about Millennials who have better ethics than her slut ass makes me want to support Johnson/Weld again

  407. I just looked at Clintons Sanders endorsed college debt plan. What a fucking scam. A solid give-away to the fringes at the cost of the working class masses. This thing is so illogical and undoable yet folks will look at it and say “Yummy”!
    Biggest reality obstacle for this abomination? The fact that people going to school causes costs to increase which causes more debt which when Hillary caps and cuts it and the finial world has to eat it (?) mmmhhhh costs crash into something somewhere.
    And what the fuck is “I’m an entrepreneur” I joined Americorps mean to anyone.
    America SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS

  408. Oh yeah R I think it was within this thread that I mentioned Hydrogen,Germans,a submarine. 2017 will have the Germans running a hydrogen powered train that can go as fast as 80 in well….all types of German weather.

  409. The new meme is Russia will hack the voter rolls and somehow throw the election to Trump.

    That is the lie to get fema to take over elections. If you listened to the Brother Nate video, a good bit is of Putin telling the media all he said was trump a colorful character. Somehow that became twisted into him supporting trump.

  410. I am officially declaring myself an elder as of today.

    I watched six hours of the Ryder Cup, start to finish, and loved every minute of it – especially when Euroweenies hit the trees. Number of NFL games watched?

    Zero.

    Number of NFL plays watched and political minutes speak?

    Zero.

  411. Ahhhh Tex has finally learned the joys of watching golf. Tis a beautiful thing. Although I didn’t catch the Ryder today. It’s terrible how I’ve lost track of the game. Was a time I could name all the major players. 😟

  412. A shame, Rutherford. The Ryder Cup in my estimation is far and away the most fun golf tournament to watch – even more fun that the Masters and British Open.

    I wish it was every year instead of every two years.

    You would have seen a level of golf played that I have seldom seen in 40 years of watching. As example, Phil Mickelson and Sergio Garcia had 19 birdies between the two of them in 18 holes – and the match was a draw. It was a level of golf few have ever dreamed of playing.

    Really spectacular stuff. The US earned this one. The Euroweenies are tough to beat.

  413. Good to hear about Mickelson. I kinda thought he had lost his mojo.

    Funny thing about golf is the inconsistency of play. I play Fantasy Golf and I’ll put Jordan Spieth on my roster one week and he’ll rock. Next weekend, he totally sucks.

  414. BTW Tex, do you wanna throw your shoe at the screen when some yahoo in the gallery screams “get in the hooooole”? I swear the crowds are not as civilized as they once were.

  415. I swear the crowds are not as civilized as they once were.

    As I’m sure you’re aware, that’s not limited to golf. 😛 People are not as civilized as they once were.

    Tonight, I went to Braums to get some ice cream (that was dinner – you can tell mom is not home.) The double dip fudge sundae was $3.14. I give this little Mexican gal a $5.00. She thumbs around in the register forever and a day, and finally hands me back 86¢ and closes the drawer. I said, “excuse me, does a dollar bill not go with that.” Braums is like McDonalds with the best milk on the planet and some limited groceries. Like the milk, the ice cream is dynamite.

    She gets flustered, sighs real loudly, slides her card, and practically throws the bill at me. 😛

    WTF? Are they tipping at McDonalds now, or something? No spoon, no sack, no thanks. And she didn’t even make the damn sundae. Some poor black kid did.

    I was real close to going over handing the black kid the dollar while she watched. LOL

  416. LOL Rabbit you never cease to surprise me. I was positive you were gonna bust my balls for Fantasy Golf.

    My rank there is shot to hell because I started late in the season. That in addition to my rosters seldom doing that well. 😟

  417. “I play Fantasy Golf and Fantasy NASCAR are two things I think would be fun.”

    You made sense out of that incoherent garbage? I meant to say fantasy golf and fantasy NASCAR would be fun. I have not played in a leage but would like to.

  418. Tigre Movie Review Alert!

    Weiner.

    Saw it this weekend.

    10 out of 10.

    Tigre says, “must see. entertaining as fuck.”

  419. Tigre TeeVee Review Alert!

    Just watched 10 minutes of MeAgain Kelly.

    Zero stars.

    Tigre says, “insufferable. I can’t even watch with the sound off anymore.”

  420. I made the mistake of watching FOX last Monday Night after the useful idiot debate. Insufferable…

    I can’t even bear to imagine how bad MSNBC and the Clinton News Network must have been following that clusterf_k of a spectacle.

  421. I don’t mean to be such a cynic as I believe only a minority of the United States really realizes how screwed up the country really is, from corruption (big news on voter fraud today) to fiscal insolvency to the imminent massive terrorism strike.

    Yet my politics is almost apolitical these days, the only real emphasis being dreaming up ways I can hurt Leftists and ruin their miserable lives further causing real damage this time. There are parts of this country anymore I truly do not give one chit about and certainly hold no allegiance towards.

  422. I spent the weekend attending a series of school board member training seminars. While boring as all hell, it was also really informative and I think helpful.

    I found it interesting that there is not something similar for members of congress. When you win a congressional seat you get tossed head first into the deep end. After thinking about it a while I pictured it being like prison…where you have to quickly make alliances just to survive.

    It made me think just how tough it would be to decrease the strength of the major parties.

    Just rambling….

  423. I would like to come up with a system where these politicians have a performance incentive.

    Like if America runs a deficit,fed politicians don’t make a dime for a salary unless in a state of war, and we set up a sliding scale for every federal employee to get bit too; the more you make, the more you lose. Every bit of income that proceeds after a Congressman leave office of more than $50K per year needs to be taxed at a 90% federal tax rate. All of Congress and all federal employees goes on the Veteran’s medical plan upon entry and until exit. No pensions of any sort for any federal employee. Nothing but a 403B with a matching 3% of salary. All of Congress with children K-12 must attend the DC Public School System.

    Oh, I can come up with many ways to set this feckless Congress and President on the straight and narrow.

  424. I”ll go further about higher education. Any graduate that has a 3.0 or better GPA and can’t find a job in his or her major and has student debt, the State University gets to eat the interest on the debt. Give the University some real incentive to get rid of these “studies” majors. 😈

    All full-time, tenured professors are required to carry at a minimum a 30 work week of classroom instruction.

    All administrative positions with any provision in title of diversity will immediately be eliminated.

    Any student-athlete (what a joke) that doesn’t stand at attention with his or her hand over their heart during the national anthem immediately will have their scholarship revoked, and will be removed from the campus with the instruction if they ever set foot on university grounds, they will arrested for trespassing. Any student caught shooting down a lecturer because they don’t agree with the message will immediately be suspended from the school.

  425. “Huck I can’t swear to it but I think new congress critters do go through some sort of orientation.”

    I wouldn’t mind being wrong about it.

  426. Any student-athlete (what a joke) that doesn’t stand at attention with his or her hand over their heart during the national anthem immediately will have their scholarship revoked, and will be removed from the campus …

    Yup what better way to teach the first amendment. 🙄

  427. Sometimes the news makes me think I’ve lost my mind.

    A few weeks ago there was a TOWN HALL called the Commander-in-Chief Forum, infamously hosted by NBC’s Matt Laurer. Could someone please tell me why everyone, including folks at NBC, keep saying Trump has no experience taking questions from the audience in a town hall format?

    WTF????? Did I hallucinate it? It was a fucking town hall. Are these pundits that stupid or do they think we are?

  428. No they don’t. “We have yet to prove them wrong.” Huck

    I have been telling you we no longer live in the United States we knew. Look up fascist.

    We were right when we told you Obama was a socialist. We were right when we told you Obama had a soft spot in his heart for Muslims. We are right now about the trend toward our future.

  429. New post before you go watching movies! Get your priorities straight 😃
    Student debt bubble is pretty daunting and getting some lip service. State and municipal pension debt crisis far more dangerous and getting nada as far as I’ve seen.
    NJ resudents owe $15k/ taxpayer!!!! CA is also at or nearing the 50% threshold of income to debt on pension. Yummy

  430. What a great debate!!!!

    I feel asleep 5 minutes before it started in my recliner, and woke up about 15 minutes after to hear the incomparably stupid Juan Williams babbling with blank stare, which was easily muted.

    I already knew the results and was able to do something useful…

  431. Every time I see Tim Kaine with that stupid grin and wild hair, he reminds of those unkempt clowns meeting you at the door with clipboard in hand at a large furniture store.

    Does the VP work in commissions now?

  432. Prayers for Haiti. I know their leaders (along with Bill and Hill Foundation grafting millions from Haiti disasters) are corrupt and wicked.

    But in looking at those satellite pics today, it as evident that the poor people of Haiti were in very serious trouble.

    If there is a country that appears cursed, Haiti would be it. You simply cannot blame a mother and father trying to escape with their children from that kind of hell.

  433. The only thing I got out of last nights debate’s was that Kaine is a total goof bag and Penceis unwilling to adopt some of the dumbest shit Trump has said or done.