All the Queen’s Horses

By now the entire world has seen the footage of Hillary Clinton unable to stand or walk by her own power and being thrown into a van “like she was a side of beef“.

The episode will certainly fuel ongoing speculation as to the Democratic party nominee’s health, which has included everything from stroke to Parkinson’s Disease.  Clinton, herself, has called such speculation a “wacky strategy”, while CNN went so far as to label the entire issue a conspiracy and the conspirators “The New Birthers“.

Wacky conspiracy or not, the issue is sure to explode after today.  It was a mere hours after Clinton was rushed away from the 9/11 ceremony that we were informed she had been diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, and was advised to rest and medicate.  But a presidential candidate’s gotta do what a presidential candidate’s gotta do, and by Friday night she was at a fundraiser, where she labeled half of her opponent’s supporters as a “basket of deplorables“, and on Sunday, was all but obligated to attend the 9/11 ceremony in New York City to commemorate the 15th anniversary of the terrible tragedy.

Adding certain fuel to the speculative fire is a tweet by reporter, David Shuster, making the claim that the DNC will be meeting tonight to discuss replacing Hillary as the party’s presidential nominee.

If true, the party will certainly be exploring a variety of important questions.  Who do they replace her with?  Does running mate, Tim Kaine, get the nod?  Someone else?  And, if it’s anyone other than Bernie Sanders, will he sue the DNC for denying him the nomination?

Now that Hillary Clinton has been seen having a great fall, in the literal sense, can all the queen’s horses and all the queen’s men put her campaign together again?  And, at this point, are they even willing to try?

What do you think about the above questions, and can you pose some others?

The bar is open.

295 thoughts on “All the Queen’s Horses

  1. I smell a massive rat. The current pneumonia diagnosis doesn’t make sense. She leaves Chelsea’s apartment still going with a brazen lie?

    I don’t doubt she has pneumonia. But there is something else being hidden. And we will find out.

  2. Agreed. She should’ve been taken to a hospital. Episodes seem to be anticipated and whatever cover-it-over protocol adhered to.

  3. R, serious question: have you watched the Hillary vids where she seems to be short-circuiting? The “just keep talking” vid is disturbing. And there are of course others. It ain’t just about coughing fits but that seems to be all you’re focused on.

  4. This campaign is getting quite entertaining. I’m beyond guessing how they could possibly spin this for good. But I do know to never underestimate the fantastic spin capability an entire roomful of desperate liberals. Those people have unwavering faith.

  5. In the ladt thread I said the sickest I’ve ever been was pneumonia. I take that back too. It was watching the fucking wedding reception vid James posted. I don’t know what childhood trauma led to it, but the dude loves him a cheese ball flashmob.

  6. Two huge lies today were: Heat exhaustion and “feeling great” post collapse. That’s just today.

    I hope someone makes the campaign answer for these lies.

  7. If she was having a heat injury and then I was all good post Chez Chelsea there is at least one empty litre of normal saline in her trash can. Fainting isn’t reversed by a Gatorade.

  8. She has been campaigning from a black ambulance. Certainly they have a similarly detailed Hearst in backup. Reanimation isn’t out of the question given today’s technology and goldman sach’s money.

  9. Ha. How staged is the kid? Now they have to explain why she is getting close to a kid while sick. Morons.

    Feeling Great! Beautiful day in New York!

  10. I hope someone makes the campaign answer for these lies.

    According to Politico, the press corps is livid about the run-around they got all day.

    BTW: just breaking, Hillary has cancelled Monday and Tuesday events. ,

  11. It ain’t just about coughing fits but that seems to be all you’re focused on.

    I don’t know why this is so hard for you. I said (repeatedly):

    1) Coughing fits
    2) Has to pee all the time
    3) Has serious memory lapse due to concussion.

    Might that be just the tip of the iceberg? Certainly. I’m just waiting to hear from someone other than Alex Jones.

    As Huck reported, David Shuster tweeted that Dems are having a hair on fire meeting about HRC’s candidacy. Shuster is far left but years ago was a respected journalist. He got suspended from MSNBC (possibly fired subsequently) and has worked for al Jazerra in USA.

    No reputable news org has taken Shusters ball and run with it.

  12. Takes about 30-45 minutes for Levadopa to work, sport. Still want to mock old Tex as being Poolman equivalent?

    I had pneumonia for real (not walking pneumonia which is little more than bronchitis) of all places at Walt Disney, Christmas 2012-Jan 2013. Though I felt like crap most of the time, I gutted it out for the wife and kids, who let me go back to the room around 7:00 PM. I didn’t know I was that sick at the time.

    Let me tell you something, Rutherford. Your legs buckling isn’t a symptom of pneumonia, unless it is acute and the patient terribly weakened. Granted, I was 15 years younger and stronger than Hillary. But syncope is a lack of oxygen to the brain. If it’s truly pneumonia, I doubt a simple IV would have had Hillary on her feet in one hour laughing and smiling – if you get my drift.

    What I saw today watching the shrew looked an awfully lot like dyskinesia. You witness it quite often in the elderly with advanced Parkinson’s. 😉

    There’s something far more going on that pneumonia at play. I guarantee it. You may need to usher up an apology to Tex soon for abject medical stupidity, and an admission you ripped my cartoon off from the last thread. 😛

  13. Oh, I pointed the fingers at the wrong blogger. 😆 😆

    Since Huck is no more a fan of Hillary than I am, I am willing to grant a great measure of ripping off funny cartoons, since I first ripped it off. 🙂

    If the nag has Parkinson’s, Rutherford owes my one ass cheek kiss, or an entire day’s worth of groveling.

  14. I was confused for a sec but you’re referring to the Humpty Dumpty. You want a photo credit? 😂😂😂

    Tex I’d sooner kiss all four of your cheeks than jump on the Alex Jones bandwagon.

    With that said, a day in the high 70’s low 80’s brings a post-menopausal woman to her knees? The “overheated” was clearly bullshit. The pneumonia diagnosis should have been revealed as soon as it was made, especially in light of the coughing fit that was so bad it made it onto MoJo. Diagnosis Friday and kept secret. Why?

    My sister read somewhere HRC wears a knee brace. I haven’t researched it. So another theory is brace broke while approaching van.

    What is starting to intrigue me is this: if she’s REALLY sick, how many people know? Does Tim Kaine know? Was he told “there’s an above average chance you will become President”?

    IF she has Parkinson’s or ALS (my sister heard that one) and the campaign knows it, that is one major fucking scandal.

    I am definitely in wait and see mode.

  15. No, the photo credit was a joke. You kissing my ass wasn’t. 😈

    I don’t think it was a knee brace. I think her beefy black “flashlight carrier” didn’t torque her ‘nuts’ with appropriate force. LOL

  16. El Tigre, it is hard to know which trauma prompted me to enjoy cheesy flash mob videos. It could have been when I woke with a knife on my throat or when they held me down and bent my wrist into positions it was not meant to to have. Maybe it was when a job counselor told me that the academic world didn’t want veterans like me, and I would be better served by lying or selling college text books.

    It might have been when all but my father turned against me because I wanted to return to farm. My abrupt plan after grad school ruined my cousin’s and a class mate’s plans. They wanted to farm after their return from Vietnam, and my decision took the family land they wanted . My mother accused me of cheating my brother who was still in Vietnam.

    Years later, when my father got very sick for a time, an aunt in an uncle’s service station publicaly accused my wife of murdering my father because we had returned and made him sick by keeping him from retiring. He didn’t want to retire. She came home hysterical. I left my aunt’s house so angry I broke the glass on the porch door when I slammed it shut.

    Which one could it be? Pick one. The list is much longer than this. I don’t smoke, drink, do drugs, or feel sorry for myself. Life is too good for that. But I do like awful videos, and don’t care what others think.

  17. I told you about my first experience with double full blown viral pneumonia. Sometime during the time we were away from the world, my bronchitis became something worse. I should have been in the hospital, they said later.

    My weight fell from 148 to about 127 in six weeks. We were out in the field during much of that time, and living in tents. I functioned on will power and gold bricked.

    It took fifteen days for me to be strong enough to move to my next assigned base. I was not back to normal for nearly a year.

    Even at the worst, my legs didn’t buckle as Hillary’s did. A high fever, not congestion made me see things. I think an underlying secret fragility made pneumonia more likely for Hillary.

  18. The campaign tried to lie about this. They knew on Friday that Hillary was very sick. On Saturday, the campaign blamed the heat and dehydration, but the temperature was only about 80. A New York Congressman said it was very very hot that day. No one else apparently suffered adversly from the heat.

    At my sickest, I knew enough to drink as much water as my body could hold. One of my jobs was guarding Lister bags, and I used the bags to keep hydrated.

    Hillary was allegedly dehydrated because she was too foolish to drink water. I believe dehydration was another excuse for her earlier fall and concussion.

    She can’t even care for herself, let alone the country.

  19. The IV may have indicated the neurological symptoms secondary to the pneumonia. But that raises a whole different set of questions.

    Friday it was “allergies.” Sunday it was “pneumonia.” Is Hillary’s doctor this incompetent? Or is it as I suspect that team Hillary is hiding the real prognosis, once again indicating Hillary Clinton and her followers are congenitally mendacious.

  20. “Which one could it be? Pick one. The list is much longer than this. I don’t smoke, drink, do drugs, or feel sorry for myself. Life is too good for that. But I do like awful videos, and don’t care what others think.”

    MAybe I had it reversed. Perhaps the videos were the cause of your problems earlier in life.

    Or you got hit on the head with a coconut. 😆

    James, if you insist on posting them in a hostile forum such as this, you’re gonna get comments from the center square, especially when you say you don’t really care for them — except the one that you are posting. QED. You post, you vouch. You vouch, center square mocks, trauma induced flash mob tourrettes or not. Simple as that.

    Tigre? Tigre posts a fat dude in his underwear eating mayo from a jar and belly laughing. We need more of that IMO.

  21. Our three year old grand daughter loves the song. Disney has a collection of cartoon dance scenes with the song as the sound track. We heard it at the Spencer Fair where we were yesterday, and she said ” Ooo. That’s on Opa’s computer.”

    I rather enjoy the hostile comments. I have seen a lot of things, but so far, being hit in the head with a coconut must be in my future. I have had two concussions, one which knocked me out and made my brain swell.

    Fat dude eating mayo in his underwear would be fun to watch.

    It can’t be the videos. When I was young, we didn’t even have television.

  22. David Shuster is a grade A doofus.
    Figures you admire him. Former MSNBC.

    Center Square (glad you’ve adopted the moniker) do you ever take a day off from assholery? Where did I say I “admire” David Shuster? On the contrary, I pointed out a wart on his resume and I indicated there was zero legit media backup for his assertion.

    How did you get admire from that?

  23. I was fortunate to live most of my young days without the television. Many I know have a teevee on somewhere in their homes almost constantly, even if its just background.

    An entire herd of trojan horses…

  24. Not to nitpick but James and Tex you both have your timeline wrong. Hillary diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday. Has “medical incident” on Sunday.

    Note that after diagnosis she speaks at “deplorable” fund raiser Friday evening.

  25. So now we’re being told that pneumonia has been running through the Clinton camp for weeks now.

    Which means they know it’s highly contagious.

    Which means when she attended a ceremony with thousands of people and hugged a little girl on Sunday she knowingly and willfully put their health at risk for a photo op.

  26. “No reputable news org has taken Shusters ball and run with it.”

    I assumed you were complimenting an objective comment from the former grade “A” MSNBC hack, David Shuster that is “no longer with a reputable news organization” like MSNBC or HuffPo or CNN. 😆

  27. Thanks Tigre. I appreciate it. I should watch it before I go to a buffet.

    Before we left for Omaha I saw a discussion of the fall on Good Morning America. A reporter said this goes beyond lack of transparency and into deception.

    The illness could hurt Hillary, but it will draw attention from her e mail and other troubles.

    Huck, you raised a good point. They don’t care, do they?

  28. No!! Dear God. Don’t watch it. It’s nightmare inducing. I posted it a long time ago to symbolize Rutherford’s cheering Romney’s defeat.

    I now see how prophetic it was.

  29. R, can you imagine if only “reputable news orgs” were there when Hillary collapsed. I PROMISE you, we would have never heard about it. Not a peep.

  30. Since when does an elderly woman seize up and collapse from pneumonia not get taken immediately to the hospital? She goes to Chelsea’s apartment????

    If she is passing completely out from an infection that is filling her lungs her with ooze while starving her from O2.. .. She’s dying.

    This is all complete bull shit.

    She already got caught lying twice about it.

  31. “R, serious question: have you watched the Hillary vids where she seems to be short-circuiting? The “just keep talking” vid is disturbing. And there are of course others. It ain’t just about coughing fits but that seems to be all you’re focused on.” -Tigre

    That one in particular is remarkable, Tigre. In fact, it prompted me to remark on it in the last thread.

    “Don’t you find those freezes a little striking, Rutherford? And the fact that her handler seems to be trained in a very particular form of rescue?” -muffy

    “Muffy, do you have a TiVo? Have you ever paused the video and caught the speaker in a very weird facial expression? Sometimes folks look odd in the course of just being themselves and if you tape it and replay it in a loop you can certainly convince yourself something might be wrong. The infamous vid of Hillary bobbing her head all over the place has been explained as her exaggerating her response to an overload of questions coming from reporters. It was body language for “slow down, one at a time”. It looks very strange when played in a loop over and over again. Could it have been the after effect of a drug? Sure it could. But guess what? Dr. Noel and Dr. Taylor actually have no better handle on that diagnosis than I do. Tex couldn’t even produce a video with an expert on PD.

    What gets me riled about this argument is that perfectly intelligent people go off on nutty tangents when the criticism of Hillary rests in indisputable fact — no need for any theories. She is a proven fucking liar and likely criminal.” -R

    Oopsies. I accidentally pasted Rutherford’s deeply analytical response too.

    PS…experimenting with multiple quick quotes using abbr. No need to fix if it blows up.

  32. Yes Muffy, exactly.

    As for my analysis which you mocked (what else is new), I’m thinking more of the strange head wagging in that scrum of reporters.

    The incident to which Tigre refers I will address in a later comment. Upon further thought, that situation was very odd.

  33. Yes Tex. She got diagnosed on Friday but it was not revealed until late Sunday afternoon.

    After watching some coverage this morning it seems to me that demanding her “health records” is rather futile. If her doctor is lying about the pneumonia, then how can we trust any more detailed info we get?

    If she doesn’t want us to know, we will never know unless Mother Nature intervenes.

  34. R, why do you feel such an urge to be dismissive of “just plain fucked up,” rather than curious or accepting of the extremely obvious conclusion that something is seriously wrong. You just can’t help yourself no matter how conspicuous the problem, can you? You do the same shit with Obama and you almost always wind up with a nothingburger shoved up your ass.

    Something’s out of whack, you can’t explain, you’ve given it almost no thought or attention, perhaps it’s nothing, perhaps it is, perhaps it panic attacks, or Parkinson’s, or a stroke, but ain’t just pneumonia. Don’t you think the ball is in Hillary’s court to account for this? And has she?

  35. Tigre, you do enjoy arguing with yourself don’t you? I’m only dismissing whackjobs. I’m more than willing to discuss her health and entertain that something might be wrong. Let’s look at the event you referenced earlier:

    Protesters (possibly PETA) disrupted her rally. HER response was not that unusual in and of itself. We’ve seen other pols take a minute to size up a disruption. What made it VERY weird was the secret service swarming around her and one dude in particular telling her to keep talking.

    What’s more odd is the near total absence of coverage of the odd scene. The only reputable source I could find was a CNN video with the following terse summary:

    Secret Service agents gathered around Hillary Clinton at her Las Vegas rally after animal rights protesters got close to the stage.

    So the implication was that the SS agents thought she was in danger. Could they have overreacted because she’s a woman? Or did she really have a medical episode?

    I don’t know. But I maintain the reason the vid looks so odd is not Hillary’s behavior as much as the behavior of her handlers.

  36. “We will never know unless Mother Nature intervenes.” Yes, we will if we live long enough. Secrets get out over time. FDR’s and JFK’s medical conditions were secret too. So was Woodrow Wilson’s incapacity.

  37. Yes Tex. She got diagnosed on Friday but it was not revealed until late Sunday afternoon.

    As usual you strain out the gnat and swallow the camel. Are you really this dumb? The fact of the matter is, had the woman not collapsed, we would have been told she was in perfect health. And that is exactly what I said in the first comment, hack.

    Wake the F up, dummy.

  38. I don’t know the make-up of HRC SS contingent. What I mean by that is I don’t know if they are new to her from the nomination point or if they are a mash up of guys previously assigned to her.
    Doesn’t really matter I guess but I’d put my money on them reacting to a perceived threat and questionable ability to extract. This is double edged. On one hand they want a sense of normalcy to persist while aware they kind of screwed the pooch on discretion. The other edge is that keeping the assigned person calm has benefits of placating the scene as well as the individual they may very well get picked up and run with ala Dick Cheney’s express trip to the basement on 9/11/01.

    Hillary is a mess and a liar but she will finish the race and will be helped every inch of the way.

  39. Not for nothing but for pure coolness I got’s to give props to W over either Hillary or Donald.
    Shoe dodging (Iraq),Secret Service Agent pulling (APEC/Chile) madman baby. Plus the guy could reach home plate.(TX)

  40. People magazine says the New York campaign staff had been sick for weeks BEFORE Old Lady Clinton had been diagnosed with pneumonia.

    But her doctor says her pneumonia is from complications due to allergies.

    Did she have pneumonia for weeks and it wasn’t diagnosed until last Friday?

    Does her New York staff all have allergies?

    Does she work with her New York staff more than any of her other campaign offices?

    Or is this all more bullshit?

  41. If it came from the media, it’s propaganda. Spin. People magazine is owned by time.

    I began a fan of bush. My red state status rendered my bush vote in 2000 inconsequential just as it did my 2008 obama vote. Having lived in Tx and Az all my voting life, the general always goes red, no matter what I do. State and local is a mixed bag.

  42. “I don’t know. But I maintain the reason the vid looks so odd is not Hillary’s behavior as much as the behavior of her handlers.”

    No. It’s her reaction. Her face locks, she gums her lips, and then goes blank. The speculation that she has neurological problems is hardly far fetched or Poolman conspiracy.

    Maybe a wikileaks release will shed some light.

  43. “No. It’s her reaction. Her face locks, she gums her lips, and then goes blank.”

    Big time. So fucking weird, man. Is it just an odd moment… Maybe. But there is no denying it looks weird as fuck. Throw in the X Files black guy, and it’s something from a Peter Lynch movie.

  44. The fact of the matter is, had the woman not collapsed, we would have been told she was in perfect health.

    I agree. Why all the vitriol? You asked me about a delay in reporting and I confirmed it.

  45. “The fact of the matter is, had the woman not collapsed, we would have been told she was in perfect health.”

    And even now we are being told they will release information about her health…in a couple days.

  46. “I agree. Why all the vitriol? You asked me about a delay in reporting and I confirmed it.”

    Center Square says it’s because these are the media outlets you dry hump — daily — then declare things nothingburgers based on them. Deny, demonize, deflect. Glad you’ve had some recent epiphany your fuckhead Bernie was swept under the bus, but you kind of have a history.

  47. What I was hoping to find in the press was what exactly the animal activists shouted or did physically that would prompt that reaction from HRC and her handlers. To me, THAT is the oddest part of this … why such incomplete coverage? Especially when the only thing we have to go on is that strange tape. You’d think the HRC camp would get ahead of the conjectures.

  48. Funny what adding “Clinton” does to the result. I got “winning” and “awesome” and “America” after just “Hillary.”

  49. However, “robot” would explain that metal object that fell on the ground and those weird suits she wears to cover the hydraulic pistons.

  50. “You’d think the HRC camp would get ahead of the conjectures.”

    They know they don’t need to. They can call any and all conjecture a vast right wing conspiracy playing to a basket of deplorables and the press will run cover for that message.

  51. If Poolman were to start saying Hillary Clinton had Justice Scalia killed to make sure there were not a right-leaning Court in the event she had to file a suit regarding election results I might not even dismiss that out of hand.

  52. “Holy crap … she was stopped from going to ER (SS protocol) by campaign operatives to hide her illness.

    Goddam what a clusterfuck.”

    But I thought all conjecture on her health was a distraction and ultimately a mistake the helps Hillary?????? Lol. Wrong again!

  53. I haven’t dredged up Sofia Jannok for awhile. She says Obama is a foreign occupier, and I agree his ideology and methods are un American. Hillary, as we know, at least with mendacity is even worse.

    Without her, Donald wouldn’t have a chance. Some Democratic leaders have discussed actions to take if Hillary leaves the race. Hillary should worry more about her health and party inducements for a turn for the worse. Wild speculation already surrounds debate about her health.

    Wouldn’t it be something if Poolman’s conspiracies were the voice of reason?

  54. A perusal of the snews this morning is full of hillary conspiracies.

    She’s got a body double…
    She is already dead reported by wabc 7 new york…
    It’s a psyop – hillary isn’t really sick – this is a diversion…
    She was poisoned by putin or trump…
    It’s a ruse to give obama a 3rd term…
    She has a terminal illness – vascular dementia or parkinson’s…

    These are not MY conspiracies. I don’t believe the mainstream media’s news. However it seems we are no longer as concerned with her crimes as we are her condition. Even now as the evidence reveals her long history of dirty deeds.

  55. “It’s unclear when that modification was added, but Kerry drew a salary from Seed for the first time in 2014. She was the only officer listed on the nonprofit’s 990 tax form to receive compensation — some $140,000 for a reported 30 hours per week.”

    140 g’s a year. 30 hours of “work”.

  56. Now we’re finding out that Hillary didn’t see a doctor at Chelsea’s house, she waited until she got to her own.

    For all she knew she had fucking Zika, but she was around other people’s kids before being around a doctor.

    Bill Clinton says this isn’t the first time this has happened to her. She says it’s happened twice…that she can remember. Her staff says she regularly refuses to drink enough water.

    So she ignores medical advice when given, doesn’t seek medical attention when needed, doesn’t maintain healthy habits, needlessly exposes others to her illness, and has a history of all of the above.

    But Trump supporters are mean and he won’t release his tax returns.

    …..and sexism.

  57. she doesn’t drink water because she aspirates it. That’s why she regurgitated into the glass she was attempting to guzzle during the 6 minute coughing spell.

    I’ve diagnosed her with MS. \

    R, still pneumonia?

  58. Wow, the diagnoses are flying. Parkinson’s from Tex, ALS from my sister and now MS from Tigre.

    I’m not hedging dear Center Square. I’m adapting to new and more concrete data.

    If this is just simple pneumonia, the Clinton campaign screwed the pooch with unnecessary subterfuge. As has been stated in the media, it is Nixonian and bodes very poorly for the future administration.

  59. The media keeps asking Trump surrogates to call people within the basket of deplorables deplorable.

    The next time it is asked, the answer should go something like this….

    Any reporter: “Would you call David Duke and his followers ‘deplorable’?”

    Any Trump surrogate: “Instead of attacking voters and trying to associate them all with a fringe element, how about we discuss the actual candidates? You want to talk about ‘deplorable’? Let’s talk about the basket of deplorable lies, deceit, and corruption that has followed Hillary Clinton throughout her entire political career. She she says she is allergic to thinking about Donald Trump, we say she’s allergic to the truth.”

    That’s a Trump-style takedown, right there.

    I guarantee we would never hear the word “deplorable” again.

  60. In case you missed it, the media spin on Clinton’s deplorable comment is that it’s politically bad but TRUE. They’re using poll numbers to “prove” that 50% of Trump supporters are indeed racists and bigots.

  61. “They’re using poll numbers to “prove” that 50% of Trump supporters are indeed racists and bigots.”

    Big shocker.

  62. “Bill Clinton says this isn’t the first time this has happened to her. She says it’s happened twice…that she can remember. Her staff says she regularly refuses to drink enough water.”

    Speaking of which, liar media CBS doctored Clinton’s response on that to make it more palatable. Cock sucker East German media never rests.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/09/13/cbs-appears-to-edit-out-bill-clintons-gaffe-during-interview-on-wifes-health/

  63. R, how ’bout a pool on Hillary’s condition? I’ll go in on M.S. I once had a client with M.S. Seems familiar. But she could just be a malfunctioning robot.

    I trust you’ll go in on the walking pneumonia. That’s the dem story. And she “powered through it.”

    (By that, I assume they mean Austin Powers based on her outfit)

  64. This whole thing real exposes the dems for the lying, manipulative, self-motivated shitbags they are. Too bad they don’t seem to care.

    BTW: Comey’s a real shitbag too.

  65. The Slow Bleed exposed Democrats for the lying scum they are. These latest events merely reinforce the truth.

    Lines from the new Magnificent Seven trailer. “I seek justice, but I’ll take revenge.” “This is not going to end well,”

  66. All I know about Lil Wayne is the Rolling Stone article I read years ago describing him as a paroled drug fiend. Yeah I’d value his opinion on anything. Oh … sorry, he is an authority on rap and drugs.

    Noah is such a tool.

  67. “Can the House Oversight Committee have access to EVERYTHING?”

    I think pretty much anything until Executive Privilege is invoked.

    Any bets Obama quashes this?

  68. How ironic is it that the head of Emily’s List is mouthing off on Hardball about Trump’s childcare plan? WTF does she know about child care? Her idea is to kill them before they become a burden.

  69. Trump is use to operating in deep shit. It’s his usual playing field. There is corruption with everything he has a hand in. That’s how he rolls. Typical trump.

    He’s got a pretrial conference in NY on October 14th for his rape case and his first trial for trump university on November 28th. He is being sued in CA federal court for fraud by former students of the training school.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-child-rape-sex-assault-federal-lawsuit-next-court-date-october-14-new-york-victim-judge/

  70. “All I know about Lil Wayne is the Rolling Stone article I read years ago describing him as a paroled drug fiend. Yeah I’d value his opinion on anything. Oh … sorry, he is an authority on rap and drugs.”

    Huh? That’s why his opinion is unexpected.

    Does the privileged black Harvard grad have a story of all of the racial oppression he’s suffered through. I recall one horrible example of confusion about whether you were a member or employee at a club. And for that I too shall take a knee when the national anthem is played. Please let us know.

    Onion Booty suffered through the indignity of being asked by elderly Target customer for help reaching a product on the shelf. I’ll carry that shame on the old lady’s behalf the rest of my life. . .

    I guess Lil Wayne is an Uncle Tom. Fuck him for recounting how a white dude saved his life and that he has never suffered from racial discrimination. His recounting, no matter how surprising especially when ti undercuts his street cred, are of no interest and don’t count.

  71. ” I see your dirty face hide behind your collar. What is done in vane. Truth is hard to swallow…You live a lie. You live a lie.”

    This could be Trump attacking Hillary at the first debate. I wish.

  72. The NCAA and the NFL are reminding me again why I despise them so…everything the Left touches, it screws up.

    The one place America has remained pretty neutral along party lines is sports. And now, we will become divided on that too, thanks to the social justice warriors and black racists. I have absolutely zero respect for Leftists anymore. Young or old. None.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440002/ncaa-north-carolina-boycott-progressives-weaponizing-sports

  73. “All I know about Lil Wayne is the Rolling Stone article I read years ago describing him as a paroled drug fiend. Yeah I’d value his opinion on anything. Oh … sorry, he is an authority on rap and drugs.

    Noah is such a tool.”

    Radical Liberalism 101. When the message crushes your belief system and is beyond your ability to contend with, ignore everything that is said and attack the messenger. The intellectual toolkit of the weak minded. Isn’t it interesting that like the black murder rates in this country, the most dangerous and persistent foe that blacks who go off the Democratic plantation message is other ‘blacks.’

  74. “Not only do black votes matter to the Democratic party, but so are black bodies, catching bullets to further the lefts goal to do away with the second amendment.”

    The bodies don’t have to be black for that, they can be brown, too. Just ask the nothingburger victims of the Mexican cartels armed by Obama.

  75. Not for nothing but lil wayne was pretty clear bout racism in the recent past. Two incidents involcing the NBA. 2012 playoff ticket& security issue which ch he claimed was racially motivated and 2014 Clippers owner flap he was standing vocally along with many other black rappers.
    In totality I’d pass on holding Wayne up as a epiphany haver. He’s definitely no Tom.

  76. Alfie, I don’t get your comments on Lil’ Wayne. I think what he said speaks for itself. And looks pretty recent. He seemed to have been affected by whomever helped him when he shot himself. Maybe he plays it all over the place, but I was surprised by the comments, especially given the setups, cajoling, and incredulousness forced on him. Obviously you know more about him. I just know of him.

  77. “The bodies don’t have to be black for that, they can be brown, too. Just ask the nothingburger victims of the Mexican cartels armed by Obama.”

    Sure, they ‘CAN’ be of any color, but lets not look at what can be but what ‘IS.’ Where are the big murder centers? Black and minority majority population centers.

  78. @ ET I have a problem with the Right embracing bits and ignoring the whole. Both sides jump the shark imo I only care when its on my side.
    An interesting angle is the Left is screaming about his “conflating” his experiences as the same as the average brother. There was a USA Today article citing the two incidents I noted. They too are failing to appreciate that Wayne may be a tad deeper than a stereotype.

  79. “but lets not look at what can be but what ‘IS.”

    I did look at what is.

    It ‘IS’ a fact that the Obama administration allowed guns to find their way into the hands of Mexican drug dealers it knew would use them for violence so the administration could argue in favor of anti-2nd Amendment policies. And it ‘IS’ a fact that there are major murder centers in Mexico where the violent crime is directly related to drug dealers armed by that Obama policy.

    Do you deny those facts, or do you just refuse to look at them (like Rutherford and his fellow Obama supporters)?

  80. A great point that is not relevant to the discussion going on here. The guns that went to the Mexico are not significant percentages of murders going on in this country. I would guess they did not change our totals by +/- 1%. You are attempting to muddy the waters with a statistically insignificant point.

  81. “I have a problem with the Right embracing bits and ignoring the whole.”

    I just found it an interesting and uncommon comment from a rapper. If it’s held out as “proof” of anything on either side of the debate, those that do are idiots.

    With that said, I continue to believe that the overt white “racism” in the real sense of the word is rare and fostered for the most shallow and selfish reasons imaginable.

    Rutherford’s response to the validity of Lil Wayne’s opinion/experiences just pisses me off.

    I just found it interesting and hope it was sincere. The manufactured shit is a cancer.

  82. “A great point that is not relevant to the discussion going on here.”

    The discussion going on here was Hillary’s health. If you want to stray off topic, then you don’t get to dictate where the discussion goes.

    I wasn’t attempting to muddy anything. I was actually agreeing with and adding to your underlying point about the interest in creating bodies to further anti-2nd amendment polices.

    Wake up, idiot.

  83. Sounds to me like Wayne might have taken a look inward, realized a truth, and spoke it. The kind of thing that often accompanies old age or a spiritual awakening.

  84. “The discussion going on here was Hillary’s health. If you want to stray off topic, then you don’t get to dictate where the discussion goes.”

    Per the usual you fail to comprehend my statement. I made a specific point about a specific subject. You opted on your own to divert from that topic with an comment that was irrelevant to the point being made. All I did was point it out.

    The point is that the Democrats are creating the racial tensions to cause the desired unrest and they are using what they deem are expendable lives (black lives) to further their own ends. There is no promise the Democrats wont make to the black community that they have no intention of keeping to get the votes they need and there are no limits to the number of black lives they are willing to sacrifice to achieved their ends.

  85. Muffy might be right about Lil Wayne. He has had an eventful past and rose from poverty. He is also about 35, almost middle aged. The onset of middle age can cause introspection.

    We are on a working vacation in Davenport, Iowa, only a few hours from Rutherford. A talk show on Sirius Radio interviewed several doctors after the beginnings of health revelations. They all said Hillary has still not discussed her earlier, more serious problems, and thought she should be resting longer.

    The moderator also suggested exams by an independent doctor.

  86. I don’t think Wayne is an Uncle Tom. That gives him too much credit.

    Sorry you’re not going to get me to ponder the deep thoughts of a gangsta rapper and criminal. Wayne, Snoop Dog, Eminem, the whole bunch – were it not for music they probably would all be doing life. These are the dregs of the musical world, elevated by low-self-image blacks and whites who wanna play gangsta when they wouldn’t be caught dead in a black neighborhood.

    I react to rap/hip hop the way the older generations reacted to Elvis. It’s pure crap, almost nothing redeemable about it.

    P.S. Yes I do like that song by Eminem from the film 8 Mile (Lose Yourself ?). That’s an exception.

  87. There is no promise the Democrats wont make to the black community that they have no intention of keeping

    The only thing that makes that comment nonsense is its specificity. Pols lie to get votes. It’s the fucking job description.

  88. Tigre, in the Hillary illness pool my bet is on permanent brain damage due to blood clot. That involves no flights of fancy (armchair diagnosis of MS, ALS, PD). The clot is documented and public knowledge. What is not public knowledge is the extent to which it has debilitated her. Therein lies tte cover-up.

  89. “I made a specific point about a specific subject. You opted on your own to divert from that topic with an comment that was irrelevant to the point being made.”

    This is some pathetic Lurker-level bullshit that equates to “you’re focusing on an insignificant part of my comment.”

    You wrote: “Not only do black votes matter to the Democratic party, but so are black bodies, catching bullets to further the lefts goal to do away with the second amendment.”

    The part you claim was the specific subject has fewer words than the part I was responding to. You clearly thought the creation of dead bodies to further anti-2nd Amendment polices was important enough to include in your comment, and if you didn’t want it commented on then you shouldn’t have brought it up.

    “The point is that the Democrats are creating the racial tensions to cause the desired unrest and they are using what they deem are expendable lives (black lives) to further their own ends.”

    They don’t give 2 shits about expendable Mexican lives to further their own policy ends, either. They don’t care about the skin color of ANY lives when it comes to them pushing their polices.

    That’s my point.

    If you want to dictate the subject of discussion then go to your Facebook group.

  90. “Sorry you’re not going to get me to ponder the deep thoughts of a gangsta rapper and criminal.”

    Huh? You didn’t watch the interview, did you? No one said his were “deep thoughts.” It’s what perhaps prompted the thoughts: honest reflection. What does your opinion of his shitty music or gangsta ways have to do with it? He’s gotta toe the line on racism and evil whites or don’t count? If he claimed the opposite, I am confident you’d defend his gangsta lifestyle as the product of racism.

  91. Just wild! Dem mayor of Flint bitching about Trump’s visit. She’s on the goddam front line of Flint’s problem and what’s her record of success there?

    She needs to STFU about Trump until she can prove she’s a “fixer”.

  92. “Hillary illness pool my bet is on permanent brain damage due to blood clot. That involves no flights of fancy (armchair diagnosis of MS, ALS, PD).”

    What’s your evidence? You discounted all the videos as showing something other than a neurological problem. Hell, you said the interesting thing was how the secret service behaved not the frozen seizure-like facial expression. You also thought her absence during the debates was so she could go to the bathroom. Pfffft.

    You’re excluded from anything other than pneumonia. You already went all in on everything else as a nothingburger.

    I’ll let you have lyme disease too. As a wildcard. But that’s it.

  93. Actually I didn’t change my avatar it appears to have been changed for me. That said I noted once again you ignored the meat and went for the easy out again Rutherford. Certainly glad my Israel trip is coming up can take another vacation from the inner city standards here.

  94. You didn’t watch the interview, did you?

    I read the accompanying article. Did they misquote him?

    If he claimed the opposite, I am confident you’d defend his gangsta lifestyle as the product of racism.

    You’d be wrong. But I’ll tell you one thing. If you had posted the story I might have been a tad more tolerant. Noah’s perspective on blacks is pure poison. Every time he uses a black to prove his point (whether it’s a rapper or a 14 year old), I cringe.

  95. “Tigre, in the Hillary illness pool my bet is on permanent brain damage due to blood clot. That involves no flights of fancy (armchair diagnosis of MS, ALS, PD).”

    Oh…. Look at this. In only 4 days Rutherford is now tossing around different serious medical conditions Hillary may have like the rest of us were doing.

    Why… I swear he just was lecturing us on how silly this was. And how advantageous this distraction was for Hillary.

    Why… I’ll be damned. He now has been given permission to suspect something might be seriously wrong with the lying hag and it’s being covered up.

    Of course, he couldn’t use his own eyes for this… He had to wait until his propaganda channel told him it was ok to spend time wondering what the fuck was wrong with her.

    This place documents the most wrong headed citizen in America. Rutherford has more egg on his face then an Oviraptor.

  96. “I read the accompanying article. Did they misquote him?”

    I’m not going to go back and reread the article. Watch the damn video for context. I think there’s a good chance you’ll feel differently about the comment when placed in context.

    Strike that. You’d never admit that. Just give it a watch and keep to yourself. Your attempt to discount it because of who he is rather than what he said might then seem silly.

    Gawl. He is obsessed the cheeseball racial shit. But you don’t make Noah look bad by making deliberately ignorant retorts like this one. Try a new tactic. I still have PTSD from the Trayvon thing.

  97. If the mayor of Flint Michigan is upset because Trump is visiting, she is afraid he might convince some voters to think twice.

    As I have written before, most Democrats don’t care about their constituents any more than I care about Lil Wayne’s alleged deep thoughts.

    They were willing to let our troops die to win an election, and they did the same at Benghazi with lies so ill conceived they served nothing but to illustrate the contempt they hold for us.

    They want blacks to continue living in a cultural sewer as long as they can keep those unfortunates too ignorant to break the chains liberals have wrapped around them.

    They don’t even care about Hillary’s health as long as she holds the power their lies stole from us. She is a sick woman who one poll showed 20% of those questioned think will be dead by 2020. She has a serious illness or old age has made her frail. Either way, progressives don’t care as long as she wins the election.

  98. The figurehead President isn’t a new concept in the USA so I can’t explain how much I don’t care about Trump/Clinton health status.

    On the race note… Does the “Talk” black parents allegedly have with their kids have a chapter titled IF YOU HAVE A GUN,OR ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE ONE DONT TAKE IT OUT. ??
    Tyree = likely clean shoot.

  99. “As for Noah’s impending trip to Israel, let us all have a moment of silence praying that we don’t have an international incident.”

    I will take that as a less than subtle hint and move on to other venues.

  100. Whoever posted the Barry Soetoro video (I think it was Poolman), that dude has way too much time on his hands. A full blown whacko. A Truther and Sandy Hook denier.

    I watched the whole damn video out of morbid curiosity. This shit warps the mind in large doses.

  101. I stopped reading Rabbit’s posted article after this gem:

    Hip hop both reflects the diverse America we are today, and the diverse America most of us embrace for our future.

    Hip hop reflects what we embrace for our future? WTF????!!!!!!

  102. Oh…. Look at this. In only 4 days Rutherford is now tossing around different serious medical conditions Hillary may have like the rest of us were doing.

    I’ve noticed a trend here that when I agree with the patrons on more than 50% of an issue or I change my mind based on more evidence, the fun just stops so folks like Rabbit and Tigre have to create conflict where it doesn’t exist. Just to keep the fun going. Where’s the fun in a lib host who won’t keep stubbornly sticking to the lib talking point?

    Rabbit, nobody gave me permission to alter my thinking on Hillary’s health. The MSM STILL says it’s a nothingburger. The simple fact is some things don’t add up. I prefer not to jump to conclusions that I don’t have expertise in. So MS, ALS, PD are not things I’m going to conjecture about. But I do sense something is amiss. I’m in wait and see mode.

  103. I still have PTSD from the Trayvon thing.

    Ehhh Tigre, have you written a blog post calling Trayvon a thug? I have. Have you been blocked on Twitter by MSNBC’s Joy Reid because you called Trayvon a thug? I have.

    You’re barking up the wrong tree dude.

  104. Barry makes some good points, Rutherford. His analysis is plausible. I don’t agree with all of his videos, but he comes up with some good ones. I’m glad you waded through all his sarcasm. Some of these guys are pretty sarcastic. It sort of comes with the territory.

    Here’s one that will surely impress.

    This guy only put out 4 videos and all about the pulse psyop. They are smart and entertaining, especially if you ever enjoyed Columbo. This guy did his homework.

  105. The “powering through” video was hilarious. You do have to wonder if these phrases are used constantly as a method of mind control. They get ingrained in the brain after all that repetition.

  106. I have a question and an observation.

    First observation: how is analysis confidential? Jurors are free to discuss how they came to a verdict. Why isn’t Lynch free to discuss how she came to a decision? It doesn’t have to even be Hillary specific. She can discuss a hypothetical case resembling HRC and how her logic applies.

    Question: what hearing are you guys posting these vids from. I thought the HRC hearings had stopped.

  107. “Ehhh Tigre, have you written a blog post calling Trayvon a thug? I have. Have you been blocked on Twitter by MSNBC’s Joy Reid because you called Trayvon a thug? I have.”

    LOL. I applaud your incredible courage. Blocked by MSNBC. Is that like excommunication?

    I guess you don’t remember the debate we had about No LImit Nigga before you found out he had THC in his system. Do you remember how long you clinged the dumb narrative of young boy who just wanted to sip his tea and eat his “skillets?” Your view of Trayvon changed — but your view of what happened when Zimmerman, the White Hispanic racist murderer, shot him like a dog in the street because he was black And Zimmerman was. . . ummm. . . a racist.

    Did you defend the mentally retarded girlfriend that blathered all that unintelligible bullshit on the stand? I’ve forgotten. But. . . racism. Whitey is racist. The dumb, lying, twatwaffle was endearing and deserved our empathy because. . . .racism made her a dumb, lying twatwaffle — in an endearing way.

    But again. You’re type of courage deserves special recognition. Going against MSNBC and all. The fact that you abandoned your window on the world when you found out it is passing off bullshit. . . .was. . . wait. MSNBC is still your window on the world and anyone that didn’t see that Zimmerman was a racist was still a racist.

  108. So I watched the Orlando false flag video until I heard “If you’re happy and you know it” sung in a foreign accent. Then I went screaming into the street in utter madness.

    Poolman, of all the things that befuddle me about your false flag foolishness, the thing that really gets me is the amount of cooperation needed to pull it off. How is it that no one in these elaborate conspiracies ever goes rogue and tells the press “I’m an actor – it’s all bullshit.”?

  109. Shalom

    There goes Alfie, being antisemitic just like Don Jr. 😀😀😀😀

    Have you heard the latest bullshit about Don Jr saying Hillary deserved the gas chamber so he must be a Jew hater? Has anyone told these nitwits that for decades in America, the gas chamber was a federally sanctioned form of capital punishment?

  110. Tigre, rewind the video tape and you’ll see i characterized Zimmerman/Martin as wannabe cop met wannabe gangsta. I classified Z as Barney Fife, not David Duke.

    You want brownie points cos you never fell for the skittles eating youngster and I did? Fine, here’s a full cake for you.

    🎂🎂🎂🍪🍪

    I threw in two chocolate chip cookies for good measure. Feel better sport?

  111. the thing that really gets me is the amount of cooperation needed to pull it off.

    If you would have lasted, or went on to the other parts, you would have seen that at least a half dozen people in that event had multiple arrests and were sentenced to jail for criminal activity. These things were dismissed at the time of the event. Those records are public access. Quid pro quo, dude…

  112. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t powered through, so it isn’t sexist to ask a woman.

    I am proud of my gender, and any woman who denigrates men can try to prove women are superior. She will fail. Any fool should know we complement each other and one too stupid to understand deserves mockery and scorn.

    One like Hillary who someone described as a person with the soul of an East German border guard is inferior to most men.

    I’m not there to see the storms which produced hail, strong wind and up to eight inches of rain at home.

  113. “You want brownie points cos you never fell for the skittles eating youngster and I did?”

    Thanks for the cake and cookies, but no. My point is that you accept charges of racism regardless of who makes them, but reject them based only on who makes them. That’s pretty cheap.

  114. Women do “power through” childbirth better than men too, except in Hillary’s case where I think the spore theory applies.

  115. That Hillary’s a real juggernaut.

    Kind of troubling that she’s unfit to even do the running for office part, but I’m sure she’ll power through all the governing stuff.

  116. Huck and the Deplorables are bagging on me and all women. I intend to power through this everntually but I must lie down first.

  117. “Poolman, of all the things that befuddle me about your false flag foolishness, the thing that really gets me is the amount of cooperation needed to pull it off. How is it that no one in these elaborate conspiracies ever goes rogue and tells the press “I’m an actor – it’s all bullshit.”?”

    Is that what gets to you, R? Do you have any concept of how grand the Jesus conspiracy that you believe in must be? Not to mention the degree of cooperation needed to pull of the Trig birth.

  118. I haven’t had a cold in years.

    I probably shouldn’t have said that. Erase! Erase!

    I was very sick about two years ago with a URI and laid on the couch for a solid month. I did not power through. I laid there like a corpse and watched shark week and american ninja warrior and slept like a housecat 18 hours a day for the entire month of August. I was too weak to even eat. If it couldn’t be sucked up through a straw I turned it down.

  119. My point is that you accept charges of racism regardless of who makes them, but reject them based only on who makes them.

    That one is hard to unpack based on an internal logic problem with the sentence. But I think I know where you’re driving. Obviously I disagree. To put a finer point on it, the past few years – Trayvon – Michael Brown – I’ve learned to take a breath before firing the racist gun. In the first pictures released of Trayvon, he looked 14. The media pushed poor innocent kid. Finding out he was a thug was a major wake up call for me.

    Getting back to Wayne. Jason Riley wrote in his book “Please Stop Helping Us” that he thought his bad experiences with cops was more a product of youth and not race. While I think he’s slightly in denial, I don’t summarily dismiss him. You know why? Cos he’s not a drug addled rapper who if memory serves was still taking the “syrup” on parole when Rolling Stone interviewed him.

    Jason Riley says racism is overplayed, I’ll listen. Lil Wayne? Not so much.

  120. Not to discount my previous Lil’ Wayne statement BUT in fairness to him he kept it on a very personal experience level and Shannon Sharpe tried to stress that the “real” experiences are far different.
    The whole thing struck me as a retread of the Flava Flave saga. My colleagues relished his relying on NYC EMS/911 given his dedication to the whole “911 is a joke in yo town” stuff.
    Ultimately just because you’re black doesn’t mean you have to buy into being damaged by the N word and perhaps in Waynes syrupy mind that’s the higher reality.

  121. Personally I’m better with physical injury. Illness has always found me more animated. From just dealing to “Let me Die”!!!! I run the gambit.
    That’s coming from a guy who has been slashed,concussed,gassed,strangled and sent his patella (knee cap) to the wrong side of his leg once playing hockey.

  122. Totally with you on that one Alfie. And yes, I had to get my patella reattached as well.

    However, the initial 30 seconds after my patella went flying off whatever the fuck keeps it in place (I was batting) was the most pain I’ve ever felt in my life. It was like jumping in super cold water except the shock comes from pain not low temperature. My buddies said I sounded like a dolphin. Embarrassing.

  123. “That one is hard to unpack based on an internal logic problem with the sentence.”

    It’s logically internal.

    Okay. You won’t let go. Lil’ Wayne’s opinions and experiences don’t count even though he was speaking for himself. Whatevs. 🙄

  124. I think we are going to have to give the simpsons credit where credit is due. In 2000 they predicted the donald president and I didn’t think he could pull it off. I underestimated their influence once again. BTW, it doesn’t bode well for the ‘regular’ people according to the script.

  125. Do you have any concept of how grand the Jesus conspiracy that you believe in must be? Not to mention the degree of cooperation needed to pull of the Trig birth.

    Ahhh I go through the week longing for Muffy’s slams.

    I’ll just say a miracle witnessed 2000 years ago and passed on through the ages in multiple translations has a lot more room for factual error than something that happened last week, especially when you consider the people of that time were imbeciles compared to modern man. The ranks of agnostics and atheists is steadily growing.

    As for Palin, if we believe she flew from TX to Alaska after her water broke then her incredibly bad judgement cascaded into theories that I admit were ultimately a waste of time pursuing.

  126. So Trump Rickrolls the press today, getting them all to give him attention because he’s supposed to announce he finally believes Obama was born in the US. He talks about other stuff until the end, that says what they all came to hear.

    He adds that “Hillary’s camp did it first”, and the press wets itself for the rest of the day with “fact checking” and giving cover for Hillary, stating that she isn’t responsible for what her supporters say (funny, huh?).

    But by the end of the day, something happens…

    “Meanwhile, former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher tweeted Friday that Blumenthal had “told me in person” that Obama was born in Kenya.

    “During the 2008 Democratic primary, Sid Blumenthal visited the Washington Bureau of McClatchy Co.,” Asher said in an email Friday to McClatchy, noting that he was at the time the investigative editor and in charge of Africa coverage.

    “During that meeting, Mr. Blumenthal and I met together in my office and he strongly urged me to investigate the exact place of President Obama’s birth, which he suggested was in Kenya. We assigned a reporter to go to Kenya, and that reporter determined that the allegation was false.

    “At the time of Mr. Blumenthal’s conversation with me, there had been a few news articles published in various outlets reporting on rumors about Obama’s birthplace. While Mr. Blumenthal offered no concrete proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth, I felt that, as journalists, we had a responsibility to determine whether or not those rumors were true. They were not.”

    Blumenthal, who worked in the White House with President Bill Clinton and later was employed by the Clinton Foundation, could not be reached Friday but said in an email to The Boston Globe, “This is false. Period.””

    This time it wasn’t Trump who put them on the defensive, it was someone from the media.

    Nate Silver wrote today that if the polls next week look like they do today, then democrats had better start panicking. And Nate Silver is no GOP concern troll, by any means.

    I’ve said only Republicans could fuck up this election, but maybe I should be saying only Hillary could fuck up an election that only Republicans could fuck up.

  127. “…and the press wets itself for the rest of the day with “fact checking” and giving cover for Hillary, stating that she isn’t responsible for what her supporters say (funny, huh?).”

    Isnt that something?

  128. I did a bit of Googling of Sid Blumenthal and found this from Huffpo piece from May 2008

    “Almost every day over the past six months, I have been the recipient of an email that attacks Obama’s character, political views, electability, and real or manufactured associations. The original source of many of these hit pieces are virulent and sometimes extreme right-wing websites, bloggers, and publications. But they aren’t being emailed out from some fringe right-wing group that somehow managed to get my email address. Instead, it is Sidney Blumenthal who, on a regular basis, methodically dispatches these email mudballs to an influential list of opinion shapers — including journalists, former Clinton administration officials, academics, policy entrepreneurs, and think tankers — in what is an obvious attempt to create an echo chamber that reverberates among talk shows, columnists, and Democratic Party funders and activists….”

    Read the whole thing and see how difficult it will be for him to deny he pitched the Birther idea to journalists.

  129. Newsbusters today tells us the proof supports Trump. Hillary’s campaign manager before 2008 admitted that a rogue staffer spread the rumor. The staffer was fired, but the rogue staffer is as much a lie as the rogue IRS agent. This was circulating a year earlier.

    Congratulations to your squad rabbit.

  130. Child birth is an ordeal. I’ve watched it. Our daughter gave birth so quickly doctors had no time to give her a pain killer. Our son in law said he had never heard any one scream so loudly.

    I respect women’s strength and ability to power through many afflictions.

    However, an Air Force dentist lost a half inch root tip in my lingual space. He panicked and searched for five hours to retrieve it. The anesthesia wore off after two hours, and the dentist was so freaked out he gave me no more anesthetic. The commander came in during the last twenty minutes and gave him a direct order to give me anesthesia. I spent two days in the hospital, but I knew if men gave birth, I could have stood the pain.

  131. “Read the whole thing and see how difficult it will be for him to deny he pitched the Birther idea to journalists.”

    I read the whole thing. I didnt think t could dislike Hillary any more than I already did but I discovered that I could. But Hillary isnt singular. The statements made yesterday by dem leaders were nothing but organized deception. Her supporters are a basket of deplorables. 100%

  132. @ Alfie – I remembered that he came up here or the films of his work did. I just watched Shutter Island again last night and thought it might be a good read. I’ve only read Mystic River which I liked a lot. I can’t remember what you said about Shutter the book or if you said. Not having Mystic River in common it might be tough to gauge but do you recommend Shutter Island?

  133. I know Mystic River but it has some personal issues for me. The text and style of it Mystic is such that I think someone who liked it would like Shutter Island as well. Its a good story. I didn’t find it as immersive as the Kenzie & Gennaro series which I really enjoyed.
    Since you saw the film I think you’d enjoy the book and not be disappointed by the closing.

  134. Wrongway – did I call that or what? Your nonsensical conspiracy theories are actually more outlandish than poolman’s. Ouch.

    You didn’t call shit. You see, the problem with your showing up only the weekends is its hard for you to catch up on comments, so you talk out of your ass. I explicitly told you either in this thread or the last that my Trig birth obsession was ill conceived. I will find it and repost it for the benefit of the Weekend Warrior.

    P.S. If YOU think YOU in your 40’s with a high risk pregnancy should be flying from Texas to Alaska after your water has broken, YOU should be fucking sterilized by the state. You’re not only unfit to bear children, you’re likely unfit to raise them.

  135. Obama is the orginal birther. Dude sold his book under the illusion thst he was a Kenyan born author for years.

    If you’re gonna say something that stupid, please document it. Thank you.

  136. The MSM up and down the line will lie about the origins of the birther movement. I was shocked to see Joe Scarborough at least admit it started with pro-Hill folks and that Hillary was not the best person to fight this battle against Obama.

    The primary evasion technique is to slam Trump surrogates when they say “Clinton campaign” instead of Clinton supporters. They then say “the Clinton campaign” never promoted birtherism.

    Even this is shady since one Trump surrogate went on Hardball, actually PREPARED this time, and documented that campaign aide Mark Penn (who looks like Jabba the Hut) advocated portraying Obama as unAmerican. Of course he got shouted down by Chris, racialist Joy Reid and Katy Tur.

    Speaking of Katy Tur, she gets paid to cover Trump, not editorialize about him.

  137. Muffy, from the previous thread:

    And I’ll throw you a HUGE bone here – I was very SILLY eight years ago to go off on theories about whether or not Trig was Sarah’s baby. I did it because I HATED the woman. It was ridiculous to argue about. Palin’s flaws were so obvious that to get into conjecture about her reproductive abilities was asinine.

  138. @ Rutherford – Is your childish fit of rage supposed to intimidate me? I’m poking you with the same faux logic boomstick you tried to lower on poolman. Now all of a sudden it’s a major offensive. Please.

    You don’t like that you look like a hypocrite. Well too bad. You do. You are.

    So you already copped to your wicked imaginings about a woman you hate. So what? You then went on in this thread to blame her for you going there – twice. It’s obscene. My point remains undisputed – your Trig birth conspiracy theory is as remote and unreasoned as anything anyone else has put out there.

    I’m glad you went all angry smurf though. It gives me a second shot at highlighting that your Jesus conspiracy has nothing to do with atheism or agnosticism and you know it. I passed on it once but you’re as deceptive as your media heroes, and your twisting is painful to watch. You aren’t merely agnostic or even atheist. You’re also inane and chicken shit.

    Let’s hear it again slick. Let’s show everyone who’s talking out of his ass.

  139. From Wiki, this must be what Rabbit is referring to. Notice, the false info about Obama did not come from Obama. Of course, Rabbit will say she is lying.

    In 2012, Breitbart.com published a copy of a promotional booklet that Obama’s literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed in 1991 (and later posted to their website, in a biography in place until April 2007) which misidentified Obama’s birthplace and states that Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.” When this was posted by Breitbart, the booklet’s editor said that this incorrect information had been her mistake, not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama.

  140. Is your childish fit of rage supposed to intimidate me?

    It wasn’t a “fit” and I don’t find you capable of being intimidated by very many people.

    You come in here and accuse me of being Poolman’s equivalent and then you wonder why I respond.

    Your last Jesus comment made zero sense. I don’t apply the word conspiracy to belief in Jesus’ divinity. You introduced that idea. I do say 2000 years ago folks were scientifically ignorant as fuck and could believe in something as improbable as resurrection. Connect that to a loose set of moral principles and the promise of eternal life and you’ve got a potent selling point that lasts centuries.

    It’s no conspiracy. It’s one of the few things in life having no scientific underpinning that the masses find irresistible.

  141. I do say 2000 years ago folks were scientifically ignorant as fuck and could believe in something as improbable as resurrection. Connect that to a loose set of moral principles and the promise of eternal life and you’ve got a potent selling point that lasts centuries.

    It was recorded as real by many at the time. So real it separated recorded history and is still used today. And then you have the Shroud of Turin…

    The more I learn the more I believe these people were less ignorant. They didn’t have the teevee to ‘teach’ them.

  142. Flash forward to today when man thinks he can achieve immortality by mating with machine. Yeah, I’d say our health today is in direct relation to our intelligence.

  143. So the US is supporting ISIS with bombing runs against Syrian national forces

    “As a delicate ceasefire appeared to be holding, the Syrian military said an airstrike Saturday by the US-led coalition hit a regime military position in eastern Syria.

    “The US military said the coalition thought it was hitting ISIS militants, but hours later said the airstrike may have struck Syrian soldiers….

    “ISIS militants launched an attack on the Syrian position after the airstrikes…”

    In other news, Obama finally makes good on his Red Line enforcement.

  144. The die is cast in Syria.
    In related news of our pathetic position over there US Special Ops personnel were chased away by some of those famed moderates. Seems our friends never were and are not soon to be trusted buds.
    Best policy now is to withdraw and forbid all aid to refugees including time stamping folks that will need to return to Syria from all Western nations.

  145. Whether its Djibouti or the Visegrad countries Western and especially US policy is being trashed.
    The USA is not prepared for what is rolling out.

  146. Just checked on some Bruins tickets. Professional sports are out of their fucking minds😁 $476.00 for 2! That’s not scalper/ticket agency thats the face value. Against Winepeg

  147. You come in here and accuse me of being Poolman’s equivalent and then you wonder why I respond.

    What’s your beef, Chief? You make the same accusation against me all the time. In addition, that ought to be major compliment for you. You’re the one who relishes Poolman’s profound theological expertise. 😈

    Another smooth move by the Exlax President and his Syria War…maybe he can get us into a war with Russia under false premises. And we won’t have to worry about proving the WMD stuff.

  148. What idiots. DeBlasio says “intentional act” and commissioner says “we don’t know cause of explosion”. How can they say it’s intentional if they don’t know the cause?

    We are in good hands.

  149. Thanks to Obama we got ’em on the run.

    I assume you were speaking of America’s populace? 😛

    What a POS. You want to know how stupid Americans are? Hillary Clinton is more trusted than Donald Trump to handle terrorism. 😆 😆 😆

    Hope & Change! The country is in the best of hands!

  150. First of all, I have no equivalent. He/she/it doesn’t exist. One of a kind here.
    Second, you are the ones trying to make cake from poop. I can see it’s all poop and I won’t pretend it isn’t or if I wish hard enough it will turn to gold. You guys are textbook insane. And that explains why you think me crazy. I got off the crazy train long ago. I’m just here to see what might be salvaged.

  151. Thanks for the article, Alfie. I thought it was pretty accurate from my tiny perception. Of the four, a city I once considered America’s best big city, Dallas, has become the one I least like of the four. For some reason, I find the transients in Houston far more appealing than the ones I meet in Dallas.

  152. Hillary Clinton is more trusted than Donald Trump to handle terrorism. 😆 😆 😆

    She’s had more experience at it. But that is not saying she couldn’t be trumped. 🙂

  153. If this government would quit recruiting these terrorists they would have no terrorists to fight all the time. It’s important we continue to recruit, train, and arm these terrorists, fill their heads with purposeful delusion. That and a paycheck will keep this war beast in business for decades to come.

    Until there is nothing left to destroy anyway. Blessed are the piecemealers. 😈

  154. “Your last Jesus comment made zero sense…” -R

    Your Jesus conspiracy theory –

    “My new theory which is probably the one I will take to my grave is that Jesus was a spiritual man who preached peace, was murdered as are so many peace makers and then exploited to build a religion run by the powerful to control the ignorant masses.

    The more I think about this using common sense the more I think Jesus would be appalled at what has been developed in his name.” – Rutherford , September 8, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    You cannot follow that out. I dare you to even try.

    So when you now say –

    “Poolman, of all the things that befuddle me about your false flag foolishness, the thing that really gets me is the amount of cooperation needed to pull it off. How is it that no one in these elaborate conspiracies ever goes rogue and tells the press “I’m an actor – it’s all bullshit.”?” ”

    I find that you’re the one clinging to the most extreme examples of something you claim really gets you the most out of all the things that befuddle you about poolman’s false flag foolishness.

    “Maybe Sarah flying from TX to AK was her “powering through” her pregnancy?”

    Maybe. You know, I’m beginning to suspect that despite crying foul you haven’t regained your senses on this. Do you still believe that Sarah did not give birth to Trig? It blows my mind to recall that you even believed Willow to be the child’s mother.

  155. “What’s your beef, Chief? You make the same accusation against me all the time.” -Tex

    I did think that rather obvious myself.

  156. Muffy if you remember what I said four years ago your talents are wasted here. Seriously.

    That statement is pretty consistent with what I said in this thread. I think even Tex would agree organized religion consists of power brokers.

  157. I must concede that Trig is Sarah’s child since there really is no credible alternative. I fall back on what I said earlier. Her decision to travel with an at risk pregnancy and imminent birth was wildly irresponsible.

    Yes … the “Willow” theory was out there but I was in the throes of PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome) at the time. I plead temporary insanity.

  158. “That statement is pretty consistent with what I said in this thread. I think even Tex would agree organized religion consists of power brokers.”

    LOL.

    Well, that seals it.

    You’re Poolman with a different screen name.

    Same logic.

  159. Obama told the Black Caucus that not to vote for Hillary is a personal insult to him.

    Are we who never voted from him the crazy ones?

  160. Just getting ready to comment on that, James. I’m sure these good black folk will stand in unison and vote for Hillary like Pavlov’s dogs are supposed to do, having no idea just how much that doesn’t empower them. I wonder if they’ve ever noticed every Obama speech is first and foremost about Obama and not them?

    And when their own lives further turn to chit, it will be white privilege and white racism, and they’ll burn down another black town. Yes We Can! Free rent and gas…

    Because Hope & Change. And stuff.

  161. But I won’t believe until I get the handicapped parking signs at the Vatican and churches accounted for. Out of compliance equals fake church, fake WARshippers. No other explanation. Wake up.

  162. “I think Rutherford feels Christians are MANipulated.”

    Rutherford is so edgy. I bet he wears skinny jeans with wool lining he sheers from sheeple.

  163. @ Tex yeah I thought you’d enjoy it. I also meant to pass it along for those who fail to see how Texas has done some great stuff economic wise,so next time someone dogs your adopted state just toss them the link.

  164. Rutherford is so edgy. I bet he wears skinny jeans with wool lining he sheers from sheeple.

    I see Rutherford aping his Sun God Barack – mom jeans, about six sizes too large to bag in the ass with his skid stained undies showing.

  165. “I think even Tex would agree organized religion consists of power brokers.”
    LOL.
    Well, that seals it.
    You’re Poolman with a different screen name.

    Well, that seals it. The fact you leaped from what I said to saying I’m equivalent to Poolman means you’re an imbecile by any screen name.

  166. I think Rutherford feels Christians are MANipulated.

    You don’t? Put aside the Poolman punctuation. The powerful manipulate. That is what they do.

    The fundamental problem with Poolman is he uses ridiculous examples to illustrate very reasonable points. He does a disservice to serious debate about real issues.

    Some actual Poolman truths with which I agree:

    The President is a figure head who is following the lead of others.

    The media with or without intent shapes public perception. Some in the media more nefarious than others.

    Money very much makes the world go round. Many decisions are being made to satisfy wealthy constituencies.

    I do NOT believe in the Illuminati.
    I do NOT believe in false flag events.

  167. ““My new theory which is probably the one I will take to my grave is that Jesus was a spiritual man who preached peace, was murdered as are so many peace makers and then exploited to build a religion run by the powerful to control the ignorant masses.”

    I hate to pile on but this is inaccurate, even from a historical perspective. The amount of time in your “and then” is centuries. Before there was anyone “powerful to control the ignorant masses”, there was a lot of word-of-mouth evangelizing and people practicing an illegal religion in secret.

  168. The religion was already well established before there was anyone powerful enough to manipulate anyone. Your comments don’t reflect that you’re getting that.

  169. “The President is a figure head who is following the lead of others.”

    “I do NOT believe in the Illuminati.”

    Uhhh….

  170. Peaceful following by Christians doesn’t negate the legitimacy of Rutherfords core argument.
    Takes time for people to recognize a way to bastardize something. For example it was what 600 years till Muhammed dialed in. Can’t discount also that his contemporaries believed He was actually going to start a revolution,in very human terms.
    I would also be willing to wager that Jesus would indeed be disturbed by our actions in His name. Scripturally speaking however we’re not going to be aware of it when it happens.

  171. Uhhh….

    Rabbit I’m simply saying you and yours give way too much credit/blame to the POTUS. Obama’s got pressures we don’t know about. I don’t know all the players so unlike Poolman I’m not going to engage in ridiculous conjecture.

    I think most of us have a very naive notion of how our “democracy” works. We don’t completely know how the sausage is made.

  172. “Rabbit I’m simply saying you and yours give way too much credit/blame to the POTUS.”

    Actually, you said the President is a figure head who is following the lead of others.

    No, that wasn’t what you simply said.

  173. Rutherford’s core argument is that Christ’s disciples made up the whole story. A deliberate deception.

    An undefined conspiracy theory of the scale and magnitude that he implies is copiously supplied with its own unanswerable difficulties.

    He doesn’t even know where to start.

  174. Ridiculous conjecture? Try recognizing rotten fruit. Yeah, even with all the promised transparency this administration campaigned on and has yet to deliver, it’s still important to read ingredient labels and look for the signs. Nobody is going to do that for you.

    But I guess that competes with the gods of teevee…

  175. “I would also be willing to wager that Jesus would indeed be disturbed by our actions in His name.”

    There is no “His” becuase power brokers and ignoramuses according to Rutherford. He believes there is only a “his” because. . . you know. Silly stories and ignoramuses. “His” name is manufactured, so whether he is disturbed is irrelevant.

    I too am an ignoramus, but unlike me, Rutherford mocks, and with no more depth than Poolman. The interesting dichotomy is what happens to Rutherford when one mocks Obama — a man whose very actions we witness. Why look just a few short comments above.

  176. Organized religion is like any other man made power structure. Evil rises to the top. The top promotes evil from below.

    The universe is already organized. It’s man that keeps fucking that up. Every. Time.

  177. I confess and concede confusion now.

    You needn’t be, Alfie. Tigre is a master at distortion.

    My mistake is over simplifying a complex phenomenon (organized religion), leaving me open to questions about timing (from Huck) and intent of disciples (by Tigre).

    My human experience and belief in science tells me no woman was EVER impregnated by God. People are the result of fucking in the natural world. Furthermore no person has ever risen from the grave leaving no body behind.

    My belief in science tells me that anyone who started this narrative was a victim of the scientific ignorance of the time, or was outright lying. I suspect the former. At some point later, per Huck’s correction, an organization grew from this narrative and in so doing, sought to control its followers.

  178. Jesus said where 2 or more are gathered in His name, there He will be also. There’s your organization. Find it and you can ask Him all the questions you can come up with.

  179. Rutherford also believes man a cosmic accident and random molecules “evolved” to form incredibly complex molecules, including the ability to put the totipotent zygote together into the puzzle formulating the 75,000,000,000,000 cells that make up the human body – all in the right place, of course.

    Mathematical amazement.

    As someone said, it takes a whole lot more faith (and stupidity) to believe what Rutherford believes than what the garden variety Christian believes.

  180. ”It is totally about organized religion.”

    No, it isn’t. It’s about your grand conspiracy theories.

    Your theory of Jesus. A theory you believe “is probably the one I will take to my grave.” That Jesus was just a man. He wasn’t in on the conspiracy.

    ”I have stated my theory of Jesus. I believe he was a spiritual leader and a very mortal man. I believe his life was co-opted by others after his death to create a powerful institution taking advantage of the scientifically ignorant of the time. I believe if he were here today he’d look at what the Church has become and he’d say “son of God? Are you kidding? You sold that story and millions have bought it for centuries? You should be ashamed of yourselves.” -Rutherford , April 4, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    So just give us your alternative explanation for the resurrection.

    If the apostles thought that Jesus rose from the dead, they were deceived. If they knew He did not rise, then they were deceivers. You can start there or concede that there is no credible alternative explanation.

    You can’t just shrug and say there must be another explanation.

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