The Problems with Trump’s Black Outreach

There are at least three problems with Donald Trump’s new outreach to blacks but only one of them rests with Donald. 

Where are the blacks?

When Donald asks blacks to vote for him on the premise, “what the hell do you have to lose?” with a sea of white people behind him at one of his rallies, you have to wonder to whom is he talking? If he’s gonna ask blacks to vote for him, shouldn’t he address a predominantly black audience? News reports say he will soon go to Detroit with Ben Carson so that may be a good thing. 

The Media 

When Trump asked black voters what they had to lose by voting for him, he was dismissed by the media almost universally. The media spin is he was really reaching out to white suburban women to assure them he’s not a bigot. Maybe I’m naive but I find this interpretation awfully cynical. Could it be that Trump actually wants more than 1% of the black vote? 

Blacks

Doesn’t Trump have a bit of a point? What have Democrats achieved in our inner cities? Nothing. Maybe it is time for something new? Unfortunately blacks are as notorious for selective outrage as the party that panders to them every four years. Hillary Clinton once talked about black youth the way most folks talk about dogs. Yet blacks came out in droves to nominate her over Bernie Sanders, a man who fought for civil rights back in the 60’s. 

BLM and its proponents yell and scream about how bad blacks have it in the inner city but they’re suddenly offended when Trump says the same thing. 

So no, Donald won’t make any inroads with blacks but it’s not entirely his fault. He shares the blame with a biased media and a minority that votes like a dumb ass monolith devoid of any critical analysis. 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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533 thoughts on “The Problems with Trump’s Black Outreach

  1. Blacks (the majority) have been owned and conditioned for far too long to start thinking for themselves or to disobey. ‘The man’ cracking the whip against their backs telling them they should be angry, not with them for landing blow after blow, but instead his rival. They are told the sky is red and they will go to the grave telling everyone the sky is red, no matter how many pictures of a blue sky are presented to them.

    If BLM, they would have set up a permanent base in Chicago and we would have seen stories of them helping the people of Louisiana. Predictably, neither has happened.

    The opening statement is particularly relevant up to 5:35.

  2. Trump means well. It is good strategy to attempt to convert blacks from progressive liberalism, but all Trump can do is promise. He cannot deliver. If he becomes president, he will learn as Ike did. As a general, he expected his orders to be followed. As president he learned his orders didn’t mean much as they were lost in a bureaucratic swamp.

  3. “US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has more psychopathic traits than Adolf Hitler, a researcher at Oxford University has found.

    Psychologist Dr. Kevin Dutton has ranked the psychopathic traits of the Republican candidate and various historical figures using a standard psychometric tool – the Psychopathic Personality Inventory – Revised (PPI-R).

    Experts suggested likely scores against a series of questions. Trump scored 171, two points more than Hitler.

    Saddam Hussein topped the list, scoring 189, while Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton received a score of 152, putting her in the top 20 percent.

    Margaret Thatcher scored 136 points, and Elizabeth I was put at 130.

    Dutton says the test scores people on eight traits that contribute to a psychopathic character. They are fearlessness, cold-heartedness, egocentricity, ruthlessness, self-confidence, charisma, dishonesty and deficits in empathy and conscience.”

    https://www.rt.com/uk/356820-trump-psychopathic-hitler-oxford/

  4. Good post R. Your points touch on the major headline items.
    Dependency on big government is in the DNA of the black community and there is nobody sincerely pushing or buying the cure.

  5. This is worth considering: when the government, by its laws, enslaves you, isn’t it ingrained in the mind to look for marching orders from that same government once they free you?

  6. Anyone else have “worrying about black people problems” fatigue.

    Hell… I’ve done my part. Worked in the inner city. Worked in the correctional facilities.

    I have stated my case a 100 times over what’s wrong with that community.

    How long do I have to keep caring about one shrinking element of society?

    When they finnaly wake up and see the joke has been on them by the Democratic Party, just as it has always been, motherfuckers better learn Spanish.

    I give respect to everybody as an individual until I don’t.

    As a group, I’ve put some distance between them and me.

    Fuck it. I got my own fam and tribe to worry about. I’m moving on.

  7. “This is worth considering: when the government, by its laws, enslaves you, isn’t it ingrained in the mind to look for marching orders from that same government once they free you?”

    Wow. I don’t know? Do you know any slaves. Any sons of slaves? Any sons’ sons of slaves? Any sons’ sons’ sons of slaves?

    I know my grand father was the son of a serf. I don’t have any New Age sci fi attachment to my docile role (in another life) in a feudalistic Eastern European forest. But who knows. Sometimes I have a primordial urge to go to war with a blood stained Zweihänder.

    Born free motherfucker!

  8. I think they call it euphemistically “negro fatigue,” Rabbit.

    Most of us have moved on from trying to help, to anger at being referred to as racists no what action we take, to pointing out rampant and blatant black racism, to simple indifference.

    And truth be known, I think most whites now suffer from it. I know I do. I really don’t give a damn if LaToya or DeShawn can read or write, or frankly what happens to them – just that these black racists self-segregate and fend for themselves, clear the road, stay quite in the library and restaurants, and quit making demanding under the pretenses of “white privilege.”

  9. Worked in the correctional facilities.

    With all due respect by then it’s too late. You can make a much bigger difference now in a public high school than you ever could then.

  10. Tex after all these years can’t you just let the typos sit and percolate? Take a lesson from El Tigre. He writes some of the most typo-ridden shit I’ve ever read and I still (unfortunately) understand 99% of what he writes.

    By the way in the almost decade that I’ve “known” you Tex, you’ve never been overly sympathetic to blacks. So I’m not sure what change you think you’ve undergone.

  11. That’s exactly what I was leading to with my comment in the previous thread. Sure Lincoln & Co freed the blacks but BIG Government via Reconstruction is what really powered them. The GOP was the party of Big government in many ways up to the Depression. That’s why I mentioned big and small being better identifiers of the parties and the switch.

  12. Rabbit, do you teach history? If so, don’t you think cultures evolve (or fail to) not necessarily connected to the character of individuals?

    I asked on this blog ages ago, why did blacks EVER tolerate slavery? Why did they not say “kill me. I will not sacrifice my dignity for your free labor”? Slavery could not have endured without the acquiescence of the enslaved. Why is it a stretch to say that when a culture accepts its “lot in life”, that mindset will endure across whole generations, especially when the oppressor loosens his stranglehold as slowly as he did here in the USA?

    Mid 1860’s emancipation did not equal a welcome mat into mainstream society.

    Don’t get me wrong. The 21st century “negro” must take responsibility for his actions. But to pretend everything got peachy when Lincoln freed the slaves is to be plain ignorant.

  13. “Take a lesson from El Tigre. He writes some of the most typo-ridden shit I’ve ever read and I still (unfortunately) understand 99% of what he writes.”

    I will admit. Your nonsense and gibberish is written nearly typo-free and grammatically correct every time. At least one aspect of your writing is focused.

  14. I agree, Rutherford.

    The Stockholm Syndrome was in play. However, I think some of these people carried their
    tolerating culture from the old countries. Slavery and it relatives were an accepted part of life. The slaves knew nothing of a Bill of Rights. If they were treated as humanely as prize cattle and investments as many were, they adapted.

    Even so, one of the main concerns was slave uprisings as happened in Haiti and locally in parts of the South.

    Everything was not peachy after Lincoln as you wrote. In fact, some people were in worse shape than before. They were like survivors of the Soviet fall. Many people were used to the lack of freedom which accompanied more security.

    Everything is still not peachy with blacks. I blame the progressives who have exploited them and fan their anger for political gain.

  15. My aunt knew a former slave when she was a girl in North Carolina. Her friend lived and worked in the masters’ house and had it not been for her lack of freedom and fear her circumstances would change she would have lived better than many free whites and blacks.

    She told my aunt that every month the whipping man would visit and tie mostly teen aged boys to a whipping post and whip them for their misdeeds. It was like perpetual childhood.

  16. I used to care, but fatigue has set in. I should care, but as long as they don’t bother me out here in the hinterland where no blacks live, they can burn their cities and massacre each other. I don’t care. The progressives and their dupes who voted for their own economic down fall don’t bother me either.

    I’ve got mine, and I earned it. I shouldn’t feel that way, but I don’t even feel guilty. It should bother me,but I don’t care.

  17. Norweigan ancestors of Carani Dahl didn’t live in a bed of roses either. Desperation drove so many to move away, they called it the American sickness. Mormons recruited many of them.

    Giants in the Earth by Per Hansa describes the rough life Scandinavians suffered on the plains. It wasn’t slavery, and it may not have equaled Rabbit’s ancestors’ suffering, but it was bad.

    Every ethnic group here could tell awful tales, but most have adapted without becoming professional victims.

  18. Seems to me false equivalency Alfie to the extent Jews were rounded up for slaughter, not a “lifestyle change” like blacks. Now that won’t stop me from calling the Southern plantations concentration camps but the parallel is far from precise.

  19. Depends on what level you take it to Rutherford.
    On one level the obvious Final Solution aspect of the Holocaust clearly outweighs the slave trade by any reasonable reckoning. Although the “sharks still patrol the routes” folks would beg to differ.
    On another you have the truth that arms enforced detention and forced labor are pretty equal and just like good boy Toby the Jewish people faced a lot of shit secondary to weasels looking out for themselves. Plantation or Concentration you had folks porking their own to live an extra day and tons just sucking it up. Human spirit? I don’t know.
    Last level, much to the horror of some. Where do you draw the line about the treatment of human beings whether 19th Century African,20th Century Jew or any other of the scores of ethnicities where the goal at a minimum is to define that they just don’t matter as much as you?
    Just stirring the pot really.

  20. Stirring some more for those afraid of books. Does anyone here deny that the case can be made that from say the 1850’s to today the majority of Americans either supported or at least accepted with some zeal BIG government?

  21. Alfie I think it goes without saying that when big gov satisfies the needs of any constituency, that constituency likes big government.

    Most citizens are self serving and their political ideology is secondary to what makes them happy. Every opponent of big gov loves that social security check.

  22. “I asked on this blog ages ago, why did blacks EVER tolerate slavery?”

    Lol. Blacks never tolerated slavery. They were originally prisoners of war.

    Later, when they thought they had a chance at freedom, they often risked everything and took it. Hell, they once slaughtered every white in Haiti.

  23. “Every opponent of big gov loves that social security check.”

    Taking back what was taken?

    I am opponent of big government, and I don’t like the ss system at all.

  24. This reminds me of the ironclad logic back in 2008 that you were a hypocrite if you/your state opposed the stimulus/bailouts but accepted the funds. Duh.

  25. Hell, they once slaughtered every white in Haiti.

    Not talking about Haiti. Slavery could not have existed as long as it did in America without some submission by the enslaved. Had the civil war not happened, one can only conjecture how much longer it would have persisted. Bottom line, slaves as a group did not free themselves. They were freed (and only partially) by whitey. When a minority exercises little agency in their own advancement it is no wonder they remain a dependent class.

    By the way, that new book about poor whites also cites generations of dependency. Something causes (or conspires) to keep certain groups under the thumb of the Man.

  26. Dude. They paid into it.

    Dude, it’s still big government quasi-socialism. Your money is pooled and as everyone knows you might not see it if the program goes belly up.

    You wanna pay into it? Get a savings account. Why is big gov helping you save?

  27. “You wanna pay into it? Get a savings account. Why is big gov helping you save?”

    No. I don’t want to pay into it. I’d opt out now in a heart beat. Yes, by the time I’m old enough to collect, I want my money.

    What’s your point?

  28. I agree with your last point about slavery, Rutherford. I have been skirting the same point.

    We spent our lives trying to be independent of social security. Though we collect the checks and didn’t collect until we had to at age 70, we really don’t need it.

    We bought the extra farm last week mainly to help our niece and her husband but also to help our children and grand daughter stay independent of social security payments should it still exist.

    Some Jews also fought Germans with guns etc.

  29. The logic was ironclad Tigre. If I’m not mistaken Kasich took heat from Republicans for expanding Medicare under Obamacare. Kasich opposed Obamacare but took the money. Hyp o crit!

  30. “By the way, that new book about poor whites also cites generations of dependency. Something causes (or conspires) to keep certain groups under the thumb of the Man.”

    Humans can adapt to environment and living conditions very easily but don’t seem motivated on their own to put themselves into situations that require such adaptation. Once people get to where they can survive in a particular situation, many don’t feel motivated to change that environment or situation. Their needs are being met and change would require further adaptation..which means there is a chance of failure. It becomes easier to just stay under the master’s rule and dole, whether the master is on a plantation or the government. It becomes a way of life.

  31. His Constituents Dollars went into it. So he is forced to pay and and a hypocrite if he sees the funds go to California? You can’t figure this out? Really?

    Duh.

  32. His Constituents Dollars went into it.

    You stick to your principles or you do what’s practical. The latter negates your ability to lecture about the former.

    How many of his constituents opposed Obamacare I wonder? How many of them willing to sacrifice on principle? Not many, I assure you.

  33. This video illustrates my post. I saw Trump supporter Paris Dennard on Hardball tonight. Because Chris Matthews actually let him talk, he was much better than in this clip.

    Notice how the Hillary crowd won’t let the Trump folks get a word in.

  34. Rutherford, I’ve known you since basically 2008, the age of Obama. One of your first accusations towards me was I was racist, because I wouldn’t kiss Obama’s ass. One of your first contradictions toward me was the statement of fact blacks can’t be racist. One of your first “aghasts” of mine was for calling a bunch of Walmart goons “Gorillas” when they bashed a door down and stomped a guard to death for a firesale of rollbacks.

    At that time, I had reached the age of angry for being called racist. In the eight years that have followed, I have watched Barack Obama, the so called “post racial” President do everything in his power, along with your chosen party, to tear this country apart by identify politics – the latest round just today about Hillary Clinton, the biggest liar on the planet, once again pull out the race card. Everybody white and Republican is racist by default. That has happened all my entire adult life – much of it stoked by pandering, phony white libs.

    I watched George Bush called a racist by true racists like Kayne West without so much as a peep of protest, though George Bush did more for the continent of Africa than any President in U.S. history.

    I’ve witnessed black racists called #BLM stoke hatred and white cops getting shot, blue cities like Chicago, Detroit, Flint, Oakland, St. Louis explode over lies and propaganda, the double standards acceptable for Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jena 6, trigger warnings, safe zones, black segregation, poured money down failed black public institutes, etc etc etc. demanded, ad infinitum.

    There comes a time when people like me, mind you once a “Big Brother” to a 13 year young black man not 14 years ago, have had enough and simply given up on Black America. That happened for me shortly after the arrival of Sham Obama, the black racist Jeremiah Wright, and the egregious lies of Jena 6.

    And I would prefer the country begin to self-segregate to simply keep the peace, realizing that would pose a heck of a burden for your family and others.

    It doesn’t mean I wouldn’t pull someone black out of a burning house, or spit in their food like most blacks would mine, or go looking for trouble, or be disrespectful because of skin color.

    I just simply believe black racism, lies and innuendo has reached critical mass and can no longer be tolerated.

  35. James, you can stop saying you bought the farm already. Just go to claiming you own it, whether it’s yours or you’re paying on a note. It sounds less final. 🙂

  36. @ Rutherford you went with SS which is logical but for the stream I’m flowing down you can start earlier. Populist politics in the US actually has a mixed record on the Big/Small government thing. But when it goes Big it goes.

  37. “You stick to your principles or you do what’s practical. The latter negates your ability to lecture about the former.”

    Why then, having been negated, no complaints about slavery or racism.

    Ahhhh, the attacks on Obamacare are vociferous.

    The attacks on the theft through SS are vociferous.

    But they, like slavery and racism, must be accepted. Leave, escape, die or it “negates your ability to lecture about the former.” No complaints when you’re given back a position of what was taken.

    Your logic is frightening. I often wonder if your daughter impersonates you on here, but then I realize she’s practically a teenager and not nearly so stupid.

  38. Poolman, we bought the farm, and we own it free and clear with no payments due. All of our land belongs to us and only us with no money owed.

    It is ours until or if the government decides to expropriate it as the Soviets did to the Russian landed middle class.

    We worked hard and sacrificed for years to protect ourselves from the government. Our parents taught us to never depend on the generosity of bureaucrats, and my treatment after my return to the US reinforced that attitude.

    I promised myself that insofar as it was possible, I would never again trust others to determine my destiny. I kept my promise, and we are doing what we can to help our children escape the death of Social Security as we know it.

    Besides helping our niece and nephew in law cope with a problem they didn’t create our motive for buying this land is for our grand daughter.

    Our farm is germane, to the discussion. Everyone at an early age should work to make himself/herself independent of monthly Social Security payments. Most people will not be able to achieve true independence, but they can place themselves in a better financial situation than they are.

    Social Security was never intended to be the major source of income it has become for too many people.

  39. Rutherford, my wife and I opposed Obama Care from the beginning. The Tea Party was too conservative for us, but we supported them by attending several demonstrations. I called our representatives so often that staff members recognized my voice when I called. My wife argued with reps of AARP, Consumer Reports, and others.

  40. Huck is right. I lived through it. My arrival on that base was like a western movie where in the hero, maybe Gary Cooper, moves into a town cowed by the bad guys. It was a cost- benefit calculation.

    My uncle was named commander of a small base in Alaska. A MSGT ran the place because previous commanders had lapsed int alchohol. My uncle refused to adapt, and they settled the power dispute like men. They entered a room and beat each other until one gave up. My uncle said it was close, but he won.

  41. Poolman, it does have connotations, doesn’t it? Our daughter reminded me that this week is the third anniversary of our being hit by a train.

    “As a black man, my parents told me ‘don’t let anyone make you a victim.’ I grew up knowing that I was the architect of my future and today at 60, Ilook back and see a past I am proud of.

    How can anyone want to be a resident victim of the democrat plantation?”

    Macado commented on Newsbusters.

  42. “Bottom line, slaves as a group did not free themselves. They were freed (and only partially) by whitey.”

    You are in need of a history lesson. We are the only nation in the history of the world to fight a civil war that ended slavery. For ‘whitey’ (how quaint) being only a small player, remove his involvement and slavery would still be alive and well today. We evolved. Why not blame the real criminals, you know the places where ‘whitey’ is not located that still house 30 million slaves today. Those places that sold slaves back then and still do so today. If this was EVER about slavery and not personal enrichment for the black community, they would be leading the fight to end slavery back in their old stomping grounds.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/10/17/this-map-shows-where-the-worlds-30-million-slaves-live-there-are-60000-in-the-u-s/

  43. Clinton is smart to nail Trump on that Alex Jones shit. Fair game.

    I’ve personally heard Trump give that piece of shit a semblance of respect in order to appeal to his moron base. Ron and Rand Paul used to, too.

    The Klan stuff is as low as it gets, though.

    Trump should make an advertisement about Hillary teamed up with Orlando shooters Dad. Same kind of thing.

  44. Great point Noah. There are more slaves now then there was in 1840. Left doesn’t seem to give one shit about that. The only slaves they care about are ones from a century and a half ago.

    Rutherford likes bringing up the past until LBJ. At that point cause and effect doesn’t interest him anymore.

    Blacks somehow kept a family structure intact throughout slavery and all of Jim Crow. Their culture one of the coolest in the West. And they didn’t murder one another. All this abruptly changes the minute his heroes tried to “help” (harvest a better term) and rrrrrrrabbit drum roll… Rutherford doesn’t care about history anymore!!!!!!!

    But he has heard this a hundred times.

    It takes time. Rutherford has seen or is seeing every pillar of his religion collapse in front of his face. When you don’t hold on to much more than that… It’s got to be hard.

  45. Trump’s quote “What do you got to lose” to blacks was great, by the way.

    That might not work with Trump. But the GOP should keep going there in future elections. Start pointing out, unabashedly, what the left has done to their communities.

    The same goes for the GOP. What do they have to lose? I swear sometimes they dance around the issues worried they will lose votes they were never getting in the first place.

    Clinton is going to win by a landslide but be the most hated President in modern history.

    Trump is a bafoon. But, he showed conservatives they need not be afriad of the truth.

    The next Trump will be savy, yet bluntly honest. And man do we need that. Too bad it’s probably too late.

  46. Tex I give you credit for a long honest post devoid of ad hominem and frankly seeing it through your eyes I completely get it.

    Two questions. The Jena 6 was one of the very first posts I wrote here back in 2007 (so amateurish in style, I’m almost ashamed to claim it but I was a new blogger). What about Jena 6 was a lie?

    Also, did you keep up with the 13 year old and if so, how did he turn out?

  47. I often wonder if your daughter impersonates you on here, but then I realize she’s practically a teenager and not nearly so stupid.

    One of the truer things you’ve said here, lately. 😀

    You’re arguing for the sake of arguing (typical lawyer). 90% of folks are self serving, political stances be damned. Big gov, which you and others rail against, provide services that you’d be pissed if they stopped. It’s as simple as that.

    Americans (typified by you) cannot stand a nuanced conversation. One of the dumbest populations on the planet. The debate should be “what is government’s role?” Not some “no big gov” bumper sticker.

    P.S. With that said, I was disgusted by Rachel Maddow’s contempt for the citizens of Mississippi (which she amended to every state to cover her ass) when she said none of them know what Brexit is nor had they heard of Nigel Farage. Elitist bullshit.

  48. We are the only nation in the history of the world to fight a civil war that ended slavery.

    Mmmm I’m under the impression we’re one of the last civilized countries to give up slavery and others did it without killing each other over it.

  49. Blacks somehow kept a family structure intact throughout slavery and all of Jim Crow.

    Guess I need to read your history books. Slavery was antithetical to stable black family life. I don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

  50. The next Trump will be savy,

    There will be no next Trump. If the landslide you forecast comes true, the GOP will NEVER let a Trump happen again. Nomination rules changes, whatever it takes.

  51. “The debate should be “what is government’s role?” Not some “no big gov” bumper sticker.”

    Amusing that the guy that thinks he’s “nuanced” strung those lines together.

  52. I got the joke the second time.

    West African society tended to trace its lines of descent through the women. Children were tied to their mothers, and matriarchal uncles had the same rights and position as the fathers.

    Slave families were often intact in spite of members being sold to others at times. Freed slaves often purchased their family members.

    Slave holders tried to break down the black social structures so blacks would identify as slaves, but their success was not complete.

    Some slaves, as Moses did gained power through talent and drive. Some slaves found themselves virtually managing the plantations. Some kept the books and were purchasing agents.

    Slavery was one thing in theory and different when individuals interacted as known people. Affection, respect, hostility, and hatred brought different outcomes.

    You might read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.”

    An Olympics announcer said Brazil banned slavery in 1888. They were the last western country to do so.

  53. Omfg. On MoJo, Rev Al said it is insulting to suggest blacks don’t vote in their best interest. The ENTIRE premise of “What’s the Matter with Kansas” was that GOP whites don’t vote in their best interest. I’d like to ask Al, was THAT insulting?

  54. “The debate should be “what is government’s role?” Not some “no big gov” bumper sticker.”
    Amusing that the guy that thinks he’s “nuanced” strung those lines together.

    Not getting you at all. The first question allows for nuanced debate. The bumper sticker is a dumb-ass platitude.

  55. I would love to see Trump take that speech,that gauntlet, and spike it in a blue city.

    Exactly, with half of the crowd black and Hispanic. But Alfie, putting aside his recently publicized perv status, if Bill Cosby, a respected black man (at the time) could not deliver similar sentiments to a black crowd, what chance does Trump have?

  56. Rutherford, that entire Jena Six was a dog whistle from the start. Here’s a better summary than I could provide.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1024/p09s01-coop.html

    And no, I don’t put you in the same category of these black racists, even if you sometimes parrot their idiocy. 😉 I think you know that. But I will repeat it anyway, even if your Mother was Angela Davis. 🙂

  57. White Christians were powerful agents in ending slavery. Now, most slave holders are black or Muslim, but those favored populations don’t suffer the ignanomy they should.

    Sexual slavery is too frequent, as Muslims subvert the native European culture.

    This flash mob was made by professional Christian actors and dancers in London’s West End. They have created an international organization to make people aware of the problem. Annie Lenox donated the song.

  58. “Not getting you at all. The first question allows for nuanced debate. The bumper sticker is a dumb-ass platitude.”

    Coming from the person I consider the absolute most ignorant and least capable of engaging in such a discussion. There is no nuanced debate with you about the role of government. You have no core belief about it at all. You have even exalted the virtues of ignorance of political philosophy, the constitution, the federalist scheme of governance etc. (oh, yes you have).

    Rutherford, you are a cheerleader. Nothing more, nothing less. What you refer to as “nuance” is nothing of the sort. It’s the MSNBC term you pull out when you can’t explain your position with clarity. “You didn’t build that” quality of thought. If you oppose “big government” your response is some variation of the strawman “you must not believe in government” at all.

    The words “Rutherford” and “nuance” shouldn’t appear on the same page. Your most recent comments about SS — and involuntary program — are more evidence of your inability to think critically or in a “nuanced” fashion.

  59. “Omfg. On MoJo, Rev Al said it is insulting to suggest blacks don’t vote in their best interest. The ENTIRE premise of “What’s the Matter with Kansas” was that GOP whites don’t vote in their best interest. I’d like to ask Al, was THAT insulting?”

    LOL.

    The irony of you writing that before your crack at me his hilarious.

  60. The irony of you writing that before your crack at me his hilarious.

    No irony at all. I can smell BS as well as the next guy and don’t need The Federalist Papers to do it. I calls em like I sees em.

  61. @ Rutherford I agree but I’m also an all in kind if guy. Trump needs to be willing to go into the belly of the beast otherwise it’s just talk.
    No matter what that should be a constant at his rallies.
    Johnson/Weld has the same thing going on in a broader stroke. Basically they’re asking everyone for four,”you in” yadda yadda.

  62. Every now and then I fully understand why some of you find liberals insufferable.

    Last night I was listening to TrumpCast (a podcast) and the guest was Ana Marie Cox, a flibberdegibbit pundit who can’t hold the same job for more than a year or two. Her back and forth with host Jacob Weisberg was so smug, condescending and obnoxious that it was obvious they were preaching to the circle jerk. No one outside the circle jerk could possibly tolerate their attitude.

  63. Ha Ha Rabbit and Alfie.

    I agree, Trump should speak in so called enemy territory more than once. What does he have to lose?

  64. “No irony at all. I can smell BS as well as the next guy and don’t need The Federalist Papers to do it. I calls em like I sees em.”

    Whoa. Chill on the nuance!

  65. I think I’m having one of those weeks Dear Brother Rabbit and Rutherford seem to suffer from on occasion.

    I have one toy left from a richer, younger, dumber day that I bought new in 2001 – a high performance jet ski. Last year, the thing died in the driveway while I was making a minor adjustment in the linkage. I got so disgusted, I pushed a 1,000lbs. PWC into the garage and let it gather 12 months worth of dust. Finally my wife got tired of it being in the way and told me to get it fixed and get rid of it. I thought it was the solenoid on the starter.

    How about a catastrophic engine failure? $3,000 to repair. The guy working on it is named is Mongo. No, I am not kidding. Mongo got a little annoyed when I asked to see the damage over the phone. Screw him.

    I went down there today to give them a speech on customer service and Mongo from Blazing Saddles was mere babe compared to this “Mongo.” Oops…Mongo was actually a nice guy when I we talked face-to-face as he basically knelt down to talk to me. How about a cylinder head that looked molten metal? 😡 Mongo, right. Tex, wrong.

    Then Wednesday, I bought a brand new Honda Mower. Nicest residential mower they make. I have never had a problem with a Honda product. Not once in 30 years. Finest equipment in the world.

    New mower ran like a champ. Every strip I cut seemed easier and easier. Much easier to use that the commercial mower I had. Then I notice gasoline dripping from the carburetor when I pushed it into the garage. This morning, I noticed a fine dead brown line about every two feet down my front lawn. Looks like a tic-tac-toe board from the street. 😡 😡 😡

  66. @ Tex after the repair whats the local market like for selling the pwc?
    Sucks about the mower. I’ve noticed that even the legacy brands are shitting the bed. I got a Husqvarna and I don’t like it. It has a Honda engine.

  67. On the bright side I swore once they opened the new fitness center down the street I would buy a walking track membership. Well I got off my bony ass today and followed through. I plan to walk every Monday to start with. Will slowly work my way up to 3 times a week.

    I’m 55 and feel 80 and not a good 80. Gotta do something about it.

  68. You know, I don’t honestly know, Alfie. It’s a Yahama XLT1200, which is basically all motor – 2 stroke, 155hp, seats three but two comfortably. It’s a rocket on the water, governed at the top end because the illustrious federal government won’t let you go any faster. I’m going as fast at 6,000RPM as I am at 7,000RPM – around 65mph, and it gets you there very quickly on smooth lake water.

    The new ones are all four stroke and more like cars than motorcycles on the water. Some of them sell for about $20K new – ridiculous. And from the looks of the show room today, they can’t push them. That’s how I know this economy isn’t near what they want us to believe. The day I bought mine 15 years ago, there were two others lined up sold. Owner told me they sold 40 units this year so far. They used to do that in a month fifteen years ago.

    I asked the mechanic what it is worth. With a new motor and in immaculate shape, about $3,500. As is, with a perfect fiberglass body, charred motor, and the yacht club trailer, about $1,100. They quoted the replacement parts as $1,900 plus eight additional hours of labor @ $92 an hour. I have no idea who would be interested on something like that Craig’s List.

    As to fixing the vehicle, I basically gave it to a good friend, if he paid today’s repair cost for the diagnosis. The deal was, he gave me the key to his lake shed to use it anytime I want. Seemed like a fair deal.

    This guy already has 4 jet skis, more money than he knows what to do with, is divorced with no kids, and is dying for somebody to go play on the lake with him. He’s an incredibly young 70 years old. We scream down the lake for 30 minutes, drink beer floating in the water for four hours, scream back to his place. Old man’s lake time.

  69. Rutherford, I’m not sure they are making anything as good as they used to be. I’ve got a microwave that still works like a champ I bought before I was married. It’s got to be at least 30 years old and it’s brown. LOL. I thought about getting a cabinet microwave, but why?

    The only thing I don’t like about it is that it’s so old, it doesn’t do the phonograph record feature. 🙂 But it will burn 4 strips of bacon in three minutes. Those cheap ass things at Panera Bread couldn’t burn bacon in 4 months.

  70. Rutherford I swear if you DRIVE to the walking workout I’m coming to Naperville and you’re going to need to learn how to run.
    As far as walking to a walking workout. You ser the issue there right?

  71. Nothing is built to last. They make it just convenient enough that you bitch but buy it again. And again. And again. It doesn’t matter brand so much anymore. Everything is designed to wear out and make you spend again. And again. And again. Some things are timed just after a warranty. It is a down to a science.

    Mrs poolman buys a new fancy water sprayer at home depot every 6 to 9 months. That is as long as they last. I think they are 10 bucks, though hey could be twice that. Costs keep bumping up while they play the gas prices to placate us.

  72. Sounds like a fit to me. I didn’t click it. Sometimes it’s just better to not click it. Too much clicking and you could go blind. 🙂

  73. Damn, I love that infowars guys British accent. There’s something about non-upper crust Brits whose accents I find appealing. John Lennon and Johnny Rotten. It’s kinda like stripping the sheen off Tony Blair or Maggie Thatcher. It’s still British but it’s raw. I love it.

  74. I’m not going to tell my jet ski story. It certainly was memorable. Suffice it to say it was the last time I ever was on one and the last time I ever flew. 😀

  75. Best Omelet ever. Scramble the eggs. I put in a chunks of ham and bacon bits. Place in a freezer bag. Put in a pot of boiling water for 14 minutes (for 3-4 eggs.) Everyone wants a different kind so we have 4 bags going and everyone’s is finished at the same time.

  76. My wife is good with accents, and she learned well while we lived in England. She still has it. Our grand daughter so likes Peppa Pig that she uses British words like torch and holiday.

    Keep walking, Rutherford, and soon you will feel only sixty five.

  77. Noah I saw that freezer bag technique on YouTube a few weeks ago when I was learning poaching. I was skeptical but it’s good to hear you’ve tried it and it works.

    I love innovative time saving cooking techniques. Part of my retirement dream is a big kitchen where my wife and I can work together. Our galley kitchen only comfortably holds one cook at a time. And to be clear, at this point I make next to nothing. I want to get more ambitious down the line.

  78. I cook everything in my household.

    If I might make a suggestion. Rather than one longer period of time per week walking, opt rather to do many shorter walks. 15 minutes a day or every other day starting out will benefit you more than 2 hours once a week. It is also less stressful if you are not accustom to working out.

  79. Thanks Rutherford.

    Noah gave good advice. Walking around the house is good too. Do in two trips what you could do in one.

    “He says ‘man I ain’t comin down till my picture is perfect and all the wonder is gone from my eyes. Down through my hands and on to the canvas. Still like my vision but still a surprise. Real life, he says is the hardest impression. Its always moving so I let it come through.'”

    In other words, don’t let yourself become jaded.

    Black Hawk “Its just about right”

  80. Black Men for Bernie founder Bruce Carter’s mission to restore black communities didn’t end when Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders lost to Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary. He opposed Hillary Clinton and the Democratic establishment then because he knew that they didn’t represent the minority communities he engaged in politics to fight for.

    After the leak of internal DNC emails, Carter is convinced that the Democratic Party “rigged” the primary against his candidate and that Hillary Clinton’s Democratic Party has no intention of changing the policies that led to the destruction of the communities he’s working to improve.

    Bruce Carter still believes that Hillary Clinton is the poster child for the kind of cronyism, corruption, and evil that the Bernie revolution was built to overthrow. He doesn’t believe Hillary Clinton when she labels Donald Trump and his supporters as racists because he knows she falsely labeled her opponents in the primary as sexist “Bernie Bros.”

    http://conservativeread.com/black-men-for-bernie-founder-to-campaign-for-trump/#.V8FZ0WKPCcI.twitter

  81. Damn, Cleavon Little and Slim Pickens were funny. 😆 😆 You couldn’t make a movie like this today without taking a bullet to the head. But I’ll bet Rutherford and Tex found this equally funny.

    Throw in Gene Wilder, Harvey Korman, and Madeline Kahn, this was some kind of cast.

  82. We have suffered through shoddy local workmanship on our house. This time, we hired an Omaha contractor and thought his Hispanic workers would make construction a cinch. I have a bias in favor of Hispanics because I have seen them work.

    This adventure has taken an unexpected turn. First, my wife exploded at the contractor because his workers had wrecked part of our garden and knocked our weather station to the ground. The contractor chewed out my wife. She counter attacked.

    Today, my wife volunteered at our town celebration, and the contractor paid me a visit. He had checked their work on the roof and took pictures of shoddy workmanship. He said tonight, they will have a meeting, and they will all be fired.

    He will bring in another crew to correct the mistakes at his expense. I told the story after my return from Omaha a couple of hours ago.

    A contractor at the museum we run said it is getting harder to get young Hispanics to do the roughest jobs. Men in their forties are the best workers.

    I don’t know if this is a trend or an isolated incident similar to more Ukrainians taking meat packing jobs.

  83. Damn DR, are the Tigers normally such crybabies? The guy is calling a consistent strike zone. I turned it for the Broncos game, but so far 2 coaches and a player have been ejected for being sniveling bitches.

  84. Ha. Huck you heard about that? I’m at my local brewery’s Bourbon Barrel festival in an outdoor tent. My brother was explaining what happened and then abruptly took a piss.

    Tigers are fighting to get into the play offs. Its late August. Cut them some slack.

  85. “It’ll not be a good thing if Hispanics buy into the disincentive economy that has crushed white and black communities.”

    Rutherford’s gods are trying to crush their culture and destroy their working spirit. It’s going to happen.

  86. On a sports topic…How big a punk is SF 49er Colin Kaepernick? 68% of NFL is black but America is the Great Oppressor. Guy never as good as folks made him out to be and is now a trade piece nobody else wants. Disgruntled punk ass bitch.

  87. A quick rant:

    Why is it so hard to buy shit? I want to buy a screen protector for my daughters phone. A YouTube vid raves about one. I go to Amazon and 50% give it 1 star. This happens to me all the time. And I obsess over the reviews. Drives me crazy.

    Damn!

    P.S. Good news: the microwave is not on the fritz. It had standing water in it from a week ago when I exploded a poached egg. What I thought was condensation under the turntable was actually a pool of water. Dried it all up and we’re back in business.

  88. “Guy never as good as folks made him out to be and is now a trade piece nobody else wants.”

    Yeah I am SO glad the Broncos didn’t bite at that bait.

  89. The internet is a wasteland of lies and damn lies when it comes to consumer goods. If you’re really a slave to the review model you’ve got to go to multiple sites and make sure they’re not the same reviews.

  90. Not for nothing R but the little you’ve shared about your domestics skills leads me to think you’re the reason you see property ads like 3BR 5 ba no kit great location….

  91. I wonder when it will dawn on Kaepernick that he actually harms the interests he selfishly thinks he bolsters. So dumb.

    And there are still those that don’t understand the rise of Trump.

  92. I like regret better then indecision.

    You pretty much nailed my predicament. I hate indecision and regret equally. So my head explodes.

    The REAL solution is that a 12 year old should not have a fucking iPhone. Unfortunately an iPhone is to kids today what a bike was to kids in my generation.

  93. Tigre, those that can’t understand the rise of Trump cannot separate the man from the message. Trump, the man, is a clown who should never have gotten out of the gate. He attached himself to a very popular message.

  94. Alfie it’s always amazing how we take one step forward but at least one step back.

    You’d think the democratization of the Internet would provide a plethora of reliable product reviews detached from self interest. Instead, we get company plants posting bogus rave reviews. It’s especially irritating when you read 10 “this product sucks” reviews in a row and then get a five star “best thing I’ve ever bought!”

    And as has been noted earlier in this thread there’s no value placed on quality anymore. Manufacturers seem to have no pride of ownership.

  95. So my kid’s first football game was yesterday. He’s loving it as it’s a vacation compared to the training he goes through for wrestling. Smallest on the team and he starts at nose tackle on D and Tight End on O.

    But enough pee wee football Dad bragging… There were cheer leaders at the game!!!!! Little 1st and 2nd grade cheer leaders. Cheering on the boys. Now, far from me to be some feminist lib…. But… I didn’t like it. No way in hell my daughter would wasting her Sat mornings being a second grade cheer leader.

    However, I don’t have daughters. Or sisters. Am I crazy?

  96. Just to play devil’s advocate…

    “No way in hell my daughter would wasting her Sat mornings being a second grade cheer leader.”

    What would you rather her spend those mornings on, and if those things are so important why isn’t your boy doing them on his Saturdays?

  97. The Television character Davy Crockett said “First be right, then go ahead.”

    Our son writes reviews for Amazon. They give him things to test. They are supposed to be loans, but they turn out to be gifts.

    Trump? There are still those who can’t understand the rise of the Tea Party. They are right about ObamaCare which needs its own treatment. Many still don’t understand that.

    I can understand why those girls want to be cheerleaders, especially if sports programs for them are lacking. Our daughter wanted to be a cheerleader at a young age, but she wasn’t good enough. It was a valuable lesson.

  98. Rabbit I’m not the right guy for your answer. I consider cheerleaders the dumbass female contingent of any school. I’ll be pretty permissive about my daughters extra-currics but she ain’t gonna be a cheerleader. Period. End of story. And to have girls “cheering on the boys” in the 2nd grade? Holy shit. No way.

  99. What would you rather her spend those mornings on

    The girls touch ball team. Girls baseball. Ahem-gymnastics. And let some dumbass group of boys cheer them on.

    I know the question was directed at Rabbit but I couldn’t resist.

  100. I don’t have any daughters, either.

    I do have a friend that lives in Texas, who has 2 very young daughters, and both did some type of cheer leading activities during the summer. I’ve asked her perspective on the topic.

  101. She basically said cheer leading can teach a lot of things, but they are certainly things that can be taught doing other activities, as well. She added that she personally hates cheer leading but that her kids love it, they are the ones that want to do it, and at least they are getting good exercise.

    Anyway, just an outside perspective.

  102. “What would you rather her spend those mornings on, and if those things are so important why isn’t your boy doing them on his Saturdays?”

    Huck… I’d rather she be competing in something… Not rooting on the competitors. That something could range from the same football my son plays to gymnastics or even the robotics team.

    It sounds like your friend has the same feelings I do towards it.

  103. To me, the whole football player-cheer leader thing made it feel like this is something bigger then just playing a sport. Like a bunch of parents excited for (and setting the groundwork for) the high school dynamic they either missed out on or never moved on from.

    It’s not like I was overwhelmed with disgust over it, just slightly found it a little off putting.

  104. DR, I think the girls consider it just performance. I thought they were kind of cute when my boy played flag fllotball in middle school. They want to do it and they get attention. I don’t think they view it as a “lesser than competitors” kinda thing. And I say that as the dad of a very competitive hockey girl.

    R, I’d wager that if a sexually confused young boy weren’t permitted to cheerlead you’d suddenly consider cheerleading the most valuable extra-caric offered. Shit. You hold a Revenge of the Nerds view of traditional male-dominated athletics anyway. Fancy Pants shouldn’t be denied his moment in the sun.😀

  105. Iowa has state wide cheer leading contests. It is considered an athletic event.

    George W Bush was a varsity baseball player and a head cheerleader.

  106. “R, I’d wager that if a sexually confused young boy weren’t permitted to cheerlead you’d suddenly consider cheerleading the most valuable extra-caric offered.”

    Ha ha. Fine… I will accept the fact that cheerleading is just fun. But I draw the line with my sons. Off limits.

  107. My wife reminded me that there is also ”competitive cheerleading”, a sport of sorts focused on athleticism. I’m still skeptical but it beats cheering for a bunch of boys.

  108. Like a bunch of parents excited for (and setting the groundwork for) the high school dynamic they either missed out on or never moved on from.

    This is a key component to lots of parental participation in kids sports. We have a third generation gymnast on our team who is mediocre. It’s killing her mother who was once a gymnast. I give the lady credit because she is visibly struggling not to project on her kid but it’s a struggle nevertheless.

    I asked my wife, “who on the team has the most passion for the sport?” It turned out to be another girl who pretty much sucks at it. Her mother is upset about the performance but loses sight of the fact her kid is having a ball.

    I think it’s a struggle for all parents to figure out where they leave off and their kid begins. Sports exacerbates this problem.

  109. What in the hell is the girls touch ball team?

    LOL I pulled that out of my ass. I just assumed there weren’t football teams for young girls but maybe something less violent. Is tag ball a thing?

  110. Is tag ball a thing?

    Holy crap! I’m going to buy you a sports book for Christmas.
    Touch or flag football may have been something you were thinking of.
    As for strikes 2&3 there is dodgeball. As for something with international flair and a ridiculous name lets go with netball.

  111. So I just looked at a screen protector on Amazon with one four star rating and all the others five star. I’m like ”damn that sounds good”. Every fucking review – I mean EVERY ONE – was by someone who had received the product free or at discount in exchange for “an honest review”.

    Are you kidding me?? Is this some new cottage industry – getting free stuff as a bribe to post Internet propaganda?

    Arrrrrrgh!!!!

  112. DNC Chair Donna Brazile just stepped on a political landmine. She said the Clinton Cash Foundation scandal inquiry is trying to “criminalize behavior that is normal.” It is not “normal” to sell 20% of America’s uranium to RUSSIA and quietly bag $145 million from 9 investors in the deal. It is not “normal” to hide $2.35 million from the HEAD of Putin’s uranium company. It is not “normal” to funnel tens of millions of taxpayer dollars meant for Haitian earthquake victims to your mega rich Clinton Foundation donors who did abysmal and shoddy work and pocketed the cash. There is nothing “normal” about auctioning State Dept. policies to FOREIGN POWERS. And the fact the DNC thinks otherwise shows how dangerous and politically tone deaf Hillary and the Establishment have become.

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/28/dnc-chair-brazile-clinton-fdn-questions-attempt-to-criminalize-behavior-that-is-normal/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

  113. So it turns out you’re in favor of the KKK if you support Trump, who supports the KKK, who supports him.

    Is that supposed to win over those that might vote Trump? Jesus the DNC is desperate again.

  114. The biggest thing our son reviewed was a lawn mower. It arrived dented, but the company fixed it. His and our daughter-in law had to replace their old mower at the same time.

    Another product he reviewed was a robot self propelled vacume cleaner. It didn’t work out so well. It nearly got their dog.

    Most of his business is from reviewing books.

  115. Cheerleaders combine their cheers with gymnastics and they are sometimes injured or killed.

    I agree with Noah. I have mentioned the young woman who was killed by an illegal who was drunk and street racing. He is probably back in his Hounduris home by now.

    The family is attempting to get a law passed to prevent illegals with records from wandering around. So far, only Trump is interested. The family is too white and not rich enough for Hillary.

  116. Our son didn’t just get free stuff. He wrote reviews which were rated by readers looking for information. Most people liked his reviews and thought they were informative. Then, over time, the free stuff arrived.

  117. Is that supposed to win over those that might vote Trump?

    I think Trump has responded brilliantly. He tells his supporters in rallies “they think you’re racist”. So he transfers the accusation against him over to his supporters, further riling them up.

    I vacillate between thinking he’s a clown (as I said earlier) and thinking he’s a political genius.

    Think about that. A GOP candidate who tells his supporters “a vote against me is a vote against you”. That’s a Dem play, not a GOP one. I think Trump is trying to beat them at their own game.

    You ever see a GOP candidate call the opponent a bigot before? He’s stealing right from the Dem playbook.

  118. R, have you tried one of the geeky tech publications

    Yup. I read one article pointing out the cases that work with my preferred screen protector. Each case was wallet style or credit card holding style. I’m like WTF. Then I see the article was written by a chick. They like wallet cases to put in their purse. Men don’t like that. We like holsters or carrying the phone in a pocket.

    I like this dude in Canada who reviews everything cell phone. But his top two screen protector picks either are hard to find here or got lousy user reviews.

    I’m setting a deadline for myself and then I’m just gonna buy and keep my fingers crossed.

  119. 4 iPhones and no screen protectors and a history of only 1 occurrence of screen breakage.
    One standard Apple skin which was what the broken one was wearing when it fell 4 ft and landed right on the screen face.
    One Otter
    One Life Proof
    and a Tec21 product.
    I’ve actually had the Tec 21 one fall and nothing happened. It seems to work as advertised,is grippier than a naked iPhone yet unlike the sturdier cases never ever inhibits storage,function etc.

  120. A locked iPhone with a case should not have any issues inside a purse. My sister doesn’t lock her phone and pocket dials me weekly at least. I don’t understand not locking the phone.

    You keep saying screen protector,what are you actually looking for???

  121. btw R you taught me something. I had seen wooden paddles recently and joked they were for child discipline and or ping pong for folks with hand/eye coordination issues. I’m guessing now they were Pickle Ball eqpmt.
    Might have to look into it,my tennis & racquetball days are numbered,especially the RB. Damn hockey knees can’t take even a “friendly” game of racquetball.

  122. “She said the Clinton Cash Foundation scandal inquiry is trying to “criminalize behavior that is normal.”

    You know what really sucks about your list, Noah?

    All that stuff probably is normal.

    The problem is that they don’t see that as a problem.

    Nothingburger….

  123. You keep saying screen protector,what are you actually looking for???

    A screen protector. 😊

    The last one on my daughters iPhone was plastic. Phone was in backpack, kid fell off bike on her back. Screen protector was fine. iPhone glass underneath – spider web crack. 😡 Looks like the screen protector was only to avoid nicks and scratches not impact.

    I’m going with tempered glass protector this time.

    As for cases, I’ve got a Speck that keeps warping (no screen protector). My wife has an Anker with built in screen protector (that will likely be my next case) and kid has a Magpul Field Case that I’m happy with but no screen protector on it as of now (broken screen just repaired yesterday).

    I’ve read Otterbox is like IBM, popular but overrated. Apple Genius Bar guy likes Tech21.

    Shit, the case fight with my daughter is a whole nuther can of worms. She wants fashion over function. But she’s 12 so I understand. She accepted the Magpul with minimum resistance.

  124. The lib media is twisting itself into knots differentiating between pay for access and pay for action. Their premise is so long as it’s the former, nothingburger.

    They carry Hillary’s water and use the excuse “every time we’re ready to cover her, Trump says something stupid that we HAVE to cover instead.”

  125. I dropped a galaxy tab 4 10″ screen from a 3rd story window in an otterbox and it survived unscathed minus a few scratches on the otterbox. Yes it landed in grass, but still.

    “You ever see a GOP candidate call the opponent a bigot before? He’s stealing right from the Dem playbook.”

    100% spot on and they have no idea what to do because they have a pledge never to attack one of their own no matter what so they have never had to battle their own tactics. I’ve already set aside space to record the debates at the end of September. I expect them to be nothing less than spectacle.

  126. “differentiating between pay for access and pay for action”

    Seems like just yesterday we were hearing a bunch of noise about money in politics.

  127. The Beatles performed in public for the last time in San Francisco on this date in 1966. My wife and I watched their last appearance on the BBC in January, 1969.

    Considering everything, including the possibility that the UN may soon control the Internet thanks to people who voted for Obama, the message applies today. “Get Back to where you once belonged.”

    We are about to leave for Omaha again.

  128. He makes some good points, but in the main, he wants to deny white culture and to encourage white teachers to destroy their own jobs.

    “People of color” is offensive to me. White is a color, and I am white.

    Billy Preston, for example was no less a person of color than the Beatles. He was black. He was no more a person of color than the Beatles. Preston was so talented he was sometimes called the fifth Beatle.

  129. What about this article is ‘broke’ to you?

    I think that articles of this nature put race relations in a tinderbox. It gives the impression that blacks are so inferior that they need special consideration above and beyond what students of any other race need or require. This is how to create racial tensions 101.

    This is a PC article that would only be allowed to work in one direction. Imagine an article that said 10 Well-Meaning Black Teachers Bring Racism Into Our Schools. It would be attacked, ridiculed for being insensitive, and deemed a hate piece, yet this is not. I have no appreciation for moral inconsistency. There should be one standard (which this article is against). To apply different standards is what is at the very heart of being racist. This piece violates that standard time and time again.

    There are several examples of broken logic and value claims that are made that are then contradicted in their solution response.

  130. Personally I found the article to be the typical garbage that as you said actually devalues minority students even though it tries to make claims otherwise.
    Specifically it has points that proclaim the dangers of lower expectations and cultural insensitivity. The points lose any credibility when the foundation is that you should look upon your students as different.
    I’d say this guys thinking,and he isn’t alone, exemplifies what George Bush once called out as “the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.” I’d say it is none too soft.

    I’m a big fan of the Hirsch’s Core Knowledge curriculum and a big fan that pursuing excellence need not be tailored to race,creed or gender. Politically I’m an ardent supporter of a well educated public but I disagree that the public sector should be doing it.

  131. The depths of depravity within the Clinton/Clinton Foundation cyclone is mind blowing. I am sickened Americans are not paying attention/respect to this matter. This is the stuff any alleged progressive civics course would be screaming about (Tammany,Teapot) instead they speak of smoke and no fire and blah blah.

  132. The debate commission is a scam too. They say a candidate needs 15% in polling but the pollsters don’t poll. The pollsters then start polling the outsider but all of a sudden include another candidate not on 50 ballots.

  133. I currently have 161 different sources for my information in my feed. Everything from Breitbart, Rush, Joe Pags, Ed Schultz, Being Liberal, Being Libtarted, The Federalist Papers, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Ken Hamblin, Ted Nugent, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Bill Whittle and the Trifecta.

    I am not buying the latest scare tactics with this alt-right thing.

  134. I am not buying the latest scare tactics with this alt-right thing.

    Just in case you missed it, my alt-right comment was a joke.

    As for moving to the Middle East in the event of a Hillary win, what’s wrong with Canada?

  135. That piece about Clinton wanting to dump all the Syrians in Detroit is messed up. Clinton knows liberalism has diseased the existing community to such a magnitude that 50% unemployment is an acceptable status quo for blacks.

    The fact he thinks you can just drop Syrians into these abandoned buildings is laughable.

    They would be refugees once again within a week.

  136. There is only one way I have ever seen an area “get fixed”. Gentrification.

    Hipsters and homos can change an area. To the Arabs credit, they will build locked down fortresses and be merchants in the savage areas. But even they don’t dare live there.

  137. They would be refugees once again within a week.

    That actually was also a bold statement by Trump vis-a-vis the black community. He called them refugees in their own country.

    For a total asshat, he hits a bullseye now and then.

    This whole controversy surrounding Pastor Mark Burns is a doozie as Burns points out lib hypocrisy in the areas of race relations. It is incredibly odd to me that Trump is giving us a better opportunity to discuss race honestly than Obama ever did.

  138. “It is incredibly odd to me that Trump is giving us a better opportunity to discuss race honestly than Obama ever did.”

    Because he isn’t a politician and doesn’t care whether he is elected or not. He’s going to have a job on Nov. 5, regardless of what happens on Nov. 4.

    Not giving a crap can be very liberating.

  139. He needs to start mixing in what he will do for the black community. It’s not enough to point out that Democrats have done nothing for them, he needs to take the next step.

    All politics is local. He needs to speak with (not to) black people and tell them exactly what he wants to do to improve their communities at the community level.

  140. Trump has gone to Mexico, and he says he will visit Detroit. I agree with Huck.

    Any of you who voted for Obama owns the problems with Trump and Hillary.

    It will be your fault if Homeland Security assumes management of our national election.

    I care more about our three year old grand daughter. Her first pre- school class begins next Tuesday. She is looking forward to it, because she wants to be like the big kids.

    Doctors said they thought abortion would not be out of line before she was born. After her birth, she looked like a Zika baby, and the doctor said she would probably be two or three years developmentally slowed. Our daughter even considered naming her with three letters so she could better spell her name.

    In Carina Dahl’s words, “I don’t care” about much of the rest. I have done all I can do.

  141. Because he isn’t a politician and doesn’t care whether he is elected or not.

    What IS his motivation then? Is he just a rodeo clown injected to direct the bull?

    He needs to talk about stuff, because, well we know how TALKING about it directly relates to actions about that stuff after the election. Because THAT has worked out SO VERY WELL in the past. 🙄

    Any of you who voted for Obama owns the problems with Trump and Hillary.

    That isn’t logical. The ‘problems with trump and hillary’ are only ours IF we accept them. Both of them are celebrities with histories of controversy beginning well BEFORE barry came on the scene. Those that continue to support this openly corrupt system exacerbate any problems these psychopaths create..

    It makes better sense to blame supporters than voters. Voting in the national has been rigged for decades. It has been shown many times that the voting public are not the brightest nor best informed. The press is a big reason and a major part of the problem.

    Turn off the teevee and focus on the light within…

  142. Pastor Mark Burns calls trump a man of God. I think he means the little ‘g’ god. I don’t see ANYTHING Godly in trump. His lifestyle and sexcapades certainly don’t line up with any of the requirements…

    “Let there be no filthiness (obscenity, indecency) nor foolish and sinful (silly and corrupt) talk, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting or becoming; but instead voice your thankfulness [to God].

    For be sure of this: that no person practicing sexual vice or impurity in thought or in life, or one who is covetous [who has lustful desire for the property of others and is greedy for gain]—for he [in effect] is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.”

    The pastor aligning himself with trump brings question to his integrity and ministry.

  143. That Whittle video was great, Noah. Thanks for sharing that. Bonus is that it burns the arse of the blog host. 😈

  144. Trumps challenge to blacks isn’t so much a discussion on race relations as its a call out to be part of something alien to them.
    He could have some success if he jumps into the trenches but ultimately convincing the dependece class to roll up their sleeves and have at it one more time isn’t an easy sell.
    I will say one thing though it super highlights Obama’s failure to push the 12% to better themselves. Now as one can see in California blacks will disappear.

  145. I’m thinking Chicago is going to get worse before it gets better. Detroit is not going to recover in any way recognizable to Americans. Cities are going to be key for America over the next decade or so ,it’ll be interesting to see which ones soar and which ones crash and burn.

  146. “What IS his motivation then?”

    Self marketing. Always has been, always will be.

    “I think you need to aim higher than a pure community level”

    I don’t think that will be effective. If we learn one thing from Barack Obama it should be how to win elections. His system is to fight many, many small battles and win more of them than he loses, rather than trying to fight and win a few huge battles.

    If you can get the right community leaders on your side, they will bring the numbers. You’re not going to do that on a national level. Not with the demographic we are talking about.

  147. If Trump goes into black neighborhoods and talks about anything that doesn’t connect the black neighborhoods with larger geographic opportunities he’s going to be doing nothing but lying.

  148. “I will say one thing though it super highlights Obama’s failure to push the 12% to better themselves. Now as one can see in California blacks will disappear” .

    Of course Obama blames racism, cops and white privilege for that. So… He’s 100% off the hook.

  149. “If Trump goes into black neighborhoods and talks about anything that doesn’t connect the black neighborhoods with larger geographic opportunities he’s going to be doing nothing but lying.”

    He’s going to be lying anyway. That’s what presidential candidates do. They don’t have the constitutional power to keep their promises.

    Truthfulness is secondary to the delivery of the lie. He needs to deliver his bullshit to the right people.

    Maybe I’m not understanding you, but why would people in black neighborhoods care about what is or going to going on someplace else?

    He doesn’t need to sell them that he is going to create a better someplace else for them. People aren’t going to want to hear that their home isn’t worth saving. He needs to sell them that he’s going to help them fix what they have. That “help them” part is important. It says they will be empowered.

  150. I don’t think we’re too far apart Huck and I confess that my cynicism is flowing well.
    Black neighborhoods are clearly defined across America and those areas are not going to make comebacks secondary to unicorn farts or Kempian urban enterprise zones that focus only on the local scale. Communities need to find a way to integrate into something larger just like countries do secondary to globalization. I’m a big fan of the regional model of things like the Northeast Corridor and Charlanta.Essentially I guess I’m saying there has to be a way to credibly sell an all boats rise kind of thing.
    There is a way someone on the federal level can go to any blighted neighborhood in the USA and honestly speak to ways to rise up.

  151. Yes, Poolman, people who voted for Obama do own problems associated with his and his allies’ policies. Much of this was predictable and a few people who paid attention knew this would happen.

    Republicans would have created other problems but they would have been different from what we see now.

    Our grand daughter enjoyed her pre school orientation.

  152. The fix for blacks is simple.

    Marriage.

    If staying married and being faithful all of a sudden became the norm…. All the other problems would ease.

    It’s expected in black culture that black men have numerous pieces of ass at once. Are there exceptions? Honestly, very few. Our blog host. Which is amazing, because he’s such a sexy motherfucker. I don’t know how he resists what has to be non stop temptations and advacnes.

    Only the religious right can save black America. And, if you think about it, it’s already a natural fit. It’s a long shot, sure.

    Alfie can come up with every revolutionary and outside the box economic system (full disclosure, I’m too stupid to even known what my man is talking about) and it wouldn’t matter. Feral is feral.

  153. I’m shocked, the same internet where Cutters, Furries and Bronies assemble in great numbers also has #VeteransForKaepernick. Shocked I say.

  154. If we learn one thing from Barack Obama it should be how to win elections.

    What is that, make sure your sponsors are goldman sachs and z brzezinski the media or…

  155. Yes, Poolman, people who voted for Obama do own problems associated with his and his allies’ policies.

    Nope. My state went for the loser mccain in ’08 when I voted for the liar in chief. My vote didn’t count. Pump up your bloviator with someone else’s gas. I already burned that bridge. 🙂

  156. If staying married and being faithful all of a sudden became the norm…. All the other problems would ease.

    That is actually a cross cultural fix. Since it is no longer the norm it may be the reason our culture is in the toilet.

  157. The Lyft vid is hilarious on several levels. First the chick’s whiny voice is an immediate dick deflator. I guarantee she’s not getting laid.

    Second, she’s no closer to Hawaian culture than the driver is.

    Third, he drove her way too long. Shoulda kicked her ass out of the car after 5 mins of that shit.

    Hang tight folks. To my wife’s horror I may be a damn conservative before all is said and done.

    Some dumbass on the Harvard alumni FB page compared having to share writing credit on an academic journal article with an underserving assistant to … rape. That’s right, this stupid twit compared her intellectual integrity being violated to rape.

    I called the asshole on it and she was non-responsive.

  158. Rabbit, I know you think you’re onto something with the marriage prescription but marriages in the USA have a 50% failure rate and that doesn’t condemn the marriage losers to crime, poverty and despair. I agree that family stability makes things better but it’s hardly the magic bullet you suggest it is.

    BTW, thank you for acknowledging my stud status. It’s one reason I couldn’t hang with you in Detroit. Minute I get outside my wife’s orbit the ladies swarm. It’s tough out there. 😎

  159. What’s funniest about that Lyft video is that the moron actually thought that reflected well on her. Leaving her at the curb was a great move on the part of the driver.

  160. I’m not really pissed about Kaepernick. I don’t get pissed over flag burnings, either. People have the right to express themselves. I don’t like it, but I don’t get too worked over it. The #VetsForKaepernick thing is just about them saying they fight for people’s right to protest.

    But….he is going to sew division on his team. There will be guys in that locker room who support him…and others who don’t. He’s toxic now. And he’s not even going to be the starter.

  161. Poolman, I can’t control Iowa’s voting patterns. My part of the state which is more like Nebraska voted against Obama. The more populated east and central chose Obama. I campaigned against him and his policies.

    Other votes don’t matter, even if yours is the only vote in a wave of contrary choices. Only yours matters, because it shows whom you support whether or not you have the knowledge to influence your vote.

  162. I also don’t really care if Kaepernick salutes the flag or not. He even has the right to burn our flag. I do mildly care about his reasons why. He is so misguided, his opinion is fantasy.

    Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

    Bigting the han

  163. Swarming ladies? It must be rough, Rutherford. Do you have to wear a disguise when you go to a store?

    I agree, Trump is behaving like a Republican should have done. I think meeting with the Mexican president and his speech later will benefit Trump, and Hillary knows it.

  164. What’s funniest about that Lyft video is that the moron actually thought that reflected well on her.

    I didn’t get much past the ‘continent of Hawaii’ statement. I don’t support self righteous whining ignorants and it became evident that she was one very fast.

    The Kaepernick dust up is just another divide and conquer psyop.

  165. Kaepernick is just an ignorant moron and black racist (raised by white parents, mind you). I understand his equally feckless squeeze is some #BlackLiesMatter activist. It’s perfect. Both are POS.

    Kaepernick wants to sit on his worthless ass during military night, let him. The irony of a half-black imbecile, with a $114M 6yr contract to play a game, crying oppression, should be enough to make sure Kaepernick is loathed by the vast majority of the American public for all his days. His 15 minutes of fame is about up.

    If you’ve heard the idiot talk in interviews, he’s obviously profoundly ignorant. He’ll make a fine target to mock for years to come and “Kaepernick” will likely become a verb.

  166. Worthy of note, another Whittle video has shamed R into silence.

    “Rabbit, I know you think you’re onto something with the marriage prescription but marriages in the USA have a 50% failure rate and that doesn’t condemn the marriage losers to crime, poverty and despair. I agree that family stability makes things better but it’s hardly the magic bullet you suggest it is.”

    This unfortunately is the common response from the Liberal sheep. If an answer which is contrary to their personal belief is not a 100% cure-all on its own then it is not a viable solution. Thinking people understand there is almost never a cure-all answer but rather a number of factors are necessary in order to achieve success most of the time. I’ve been telling you for years that restoring the family unit is key and that I am in a unique position to know this to be a fact. Watch the Whittle video, look at his list of cities run by Democrats for generations and you will always find blacks suffering disproportionately compared to anywhere else in our country.

  167. “Rabbit, I know you think you’re onto something with the marriage prescription but marriages in the USA have a 50% failure rate and that doesn’t condemn the marriage losers to crime, poverty and despair. . . ”

    That is an inaccurate and exaggerated statistic. It is arrived at by conflating remarriages and divorces among the same individuals with the overall married population.

    When I feel like it, I’ll try to get a link. In the meantime, Dr is right. The destruction of traditional family structures is very much to blame — no matter how much plead otherwise Rutherford.

  168. This is as old as Patrick Mohynihan’s report on black poverty and damaged families fifty years ago. Obama has also discussed the problem.

    It is fact. What is subject to disagreement is how we fix it. The disfunction affects us all, if only through higher taxes.

  169. Worthy of note, another Whittle video has shamed R into silence.

    Didn’t watch it. Whittle is an arrogant jerk even when he’s right so it’s just not worth the time. I DID watch one of your Whittle vids on Hillary just for the catharsis but otherwise, nope, I skip his vids whenever I can.

    This unfortunately is the common response from the Liberal sheep. If an answer which is contrary to their personal belief is not a 100% cure-all on its own then it is not a viable solution.

    Your lack of reading comprehension is staggering. I told Rabbit marriage is a piece of the puzzle (so I did NOT say it wasn’t viable) but I pointed out his overarching statement “If staying married and being faithful all of a sudden became the norm…. All the other problems would ease.” is an oversimplification.

    If you don’t want me to reject your cure-all, don’t present me with a cure-all.

  170. Tigre, I smell another stupid semantic argument on the horizon. The marriage failure rate in America is high. I won’t argue about 50% (the most often quoted figure). I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that’s its a skewed stat. But the rate is still high.

    Let’s nip this in the bud now before we fill a thread with stupid back and forth. A truly stable family (where Daddy is not only home but doesn’t beat the shit out of his wife and kids) makes coping with all sorts of adversity easier. I agree with that. However, huge corporations don’t give a flying fuck if you have a family or not when they lay your ass off. They don’t hire you any faster if you have a family – and if you’re a woman, having a family is a DISADVANTAGE to getting hired to higher paying jobs. Family stability helps you cope – it does not eliminate adversity. I’d guess, for example, that more stable families would not move the needle on poverty but might move the needle on crime because the poor MIGHT have a better moral center and nuclear support group.

    So, in summary, don’t put words in my mouth. I never said family was worthless. I said Rabbit oversimplified the case.

  171. I don’t disagree with the marriage argument & as James pointed out that IS settled science.
    Hell lets take baby steps. I don’t care if you exchange vows or not. How about not having multiple kids from multiple fathers and if you’re a daddy how about dropping the misogyny and general dickheadedness and if you help make one hang around one.

  172. “I don’t care if you exchange vows or not. How about not having multiple kids from multiple fathers and if you’re a daddy how about dropping the misogyny and general dickheadedness and if you help make one hang around one.”

    Good point.

  173. Rutherford the fact you have to self edit a person who presents fact based reasonable arguments tells everyone here what they need to know about you. I don’t care what excuse you use to be intellectually dishonest only that you need to.

    It was not presented as a cure-all. It is one of the largest components that historically you have placed ‘no’ value on.

  174. Chillax my studly liberal foil. You’re going elsewhere, but we’re landing on the same runway.

    If only I could get you to realize that your like-minded progressive morons advocate social policies and standards that are the very cancer they accuse the right of causing. Look within my nizzle. In the words of Master Po, “tree that does not bend breaks very easily.”

    Oh, and “shit rolls downhill.”

  175. I don’t need to read it again, we have hashed this out many times and you have always sided with the playah getting whats mine. ‘The Game’ has always Trumped family in your mind, which is fine I just know I can present evidence to the contrary.

    Whittle is your superior in every conceivable way and I can fully appreciate why you feel threatened by him. Word of advice, if you ever want to leave the small town called Obscurity I would suggest you watch those who are achieving success to figure out what it is that you are missing. If you cannot contend with the likes of Whittle when 6 or 7 people are watching, whatever will you do when you land that dream job at NPR?

  176. If you cannot contend with the likes of Whittle when 6 or 7 people are watching, whatever will you do when you land that dream job at NPR?

    Mmmm, I answer this with great fear of emulating your Facebook Group Leader braggadocio but I will remind you, I’ve endured the slings and arrows of right leaning antagonists for almost 10 years on this little slice of heaven (as Pfesser/Parker used to call it). So it is not Whittle’s arguments that bother me. It is his manner. His sarcasm buried under that soft moderated voice is absolutely toxic. But I do see his appeal for you.

    I must admit if we were all judged by our rhetorical heroes, many of us might have egg on our face. My rhetorical hero is the late Christopher Hitchens, by all accounts a pretty miserable man.

  177. Now, on the other hand Noah, before you came along, I had never seen Crowder before and I quite like him. I do think, despite his protestations, that there was a lot of “shit just happens” excuse making in his video but I also see a genuine attempt to render a fair verdict. In fact, the only case I really question is his assessment of Sandra Bland. Should she have not bad-mouthed the cop? Absolutely. Crazy chick. But crazy enough to kill herself? I’m not convinced.

    An earlier vid you posted of Crowder interviewing Dinesh D’Souza was classic in that I sensed even Crowder wasn’t completely buying D’Souza’s shit.

  178. There is no one in this universe I will not listen to based on who they are. I have no fear of being proven wrong. I take great pleasure in listening to my opposition because time after time they confirm that I am in the right and that I have made sound conclusions. Now if I were to look at this from your perspective where being proven wrong is something to avoid at all costs I can understand why you need to carefully regulate what it is you want to allow yourself to view especially when people like Whittle so effectively crush the lefts narrative. You can have the final word on this as I have no hope or aspirations of converting you to a more honest path.

  179. Funny thing about the Huckser’s commentary, such as it is, is all of it comes from the clowns here, nothing I have ever claimed about myself. Let me know Rutherford when you get your own project underway and lets see where you are after your first year. I did not spend one dime promoting mine. Lets see if you find it as simple a task as has been suggested.

  180. Now Noah, don’t focus on the mocking. I gave you props earlier for your FB success and I meant it. I’m not at all new to social media and I know no FB group is a shoo-in for mass membership. You have peaked my curiosity about the zero-ads approach. As I said earlier I may one day ask you for a tip or two.

    P.S. I can guarantee one thing. If I ever start a group, it will not have your seven volume War and Peace size rules of engagement.

  181. “P.S. I can guarantee one thing. If I ever start a group, it will not have your seven volume War and Peace size rules of engagement.”

    Are you joking? I have one of the smallest list of rules for a group of my size that is not a profanity/insult fest.

    1) Don’t attack the person, attack the argument. Keep ad hominem attacks to a minimum or none.
    2) is about not spamming or running the page. Limit to 3-5 posts an hour so everyone can have their topic discussed.
    3) Is how to make a proper discussion topic.ie put your position along with the article you are posting so people know what you want to discuss.
    4) Requires anyone making a factual claim to prove it if challenged.
    5) 5. No posts attacking individual members. No posts promoting a business. No posting of adult content. No posts selling products. No soliciting members for money for any reason.
    6) Rules for the press using the group to promote their work.

    Pretty straightforward and reasonable.

  182. My only hero is my father. The others give me information but don’t tell me how to think.

    By the same token, we can help blacks and the misbegotten members other races adopting the disasterous culture which leads no where, but they have to cure themselves. We can’t think for them.

    We need a widespread Face book revolution of the type South Americans are starting against the left.

  183. I moderated a group when no one else wanted the job. We followed Noah’s rules. Had we done so here, most of us would have been banished long ago.

  184. Lol. Maybe it was a coup. They probably saw the light. 🙂

    Here is one of those funny older Bill Maher bits that nails it.

  185. A Facebook group of 25,000 had a vote and ousted the leader.

    LOL Hey Noah, have you considered hiring a virtual security force to protect you? You know how vulnerable leaders of large movements can be: Ghandi, MLK, Malcolm X.

    I suggest you recruit Rabbit, James and 800lb Gorilla as your security team.

  186. We are so cool we wear fur lined overcoats.

    I like tacos. Will they be free?

    Thanks for the complement. We would protect Noah to the death until a higher bidder came along.

  187. The suggestion that your vote doesn’t count if the state in which you live went for the other guy, therefore you bear no responsibility for your vote for Obama – is hopelessly bewildered.

  188. And Obama birtherism is the equivalence of Trig Trutherism.

    I think I get your point but I think a better observation, as it is constantly ignored by the media, is that birtherism was started by followers of Hillary Clinton. Trump did not invent the birther movement.

  189. Part of Hillary’s defense was a brain injury in which she can’t remember entire training sessions on classified info.

  190. “That’s the Hillary I know. That’s the Hillary I’ve come to admire. And that’s why I can say with confidence there has never been a man or a woman — not me, not Bill, nobody — more qualified than Hillary Clinton to serve as president of the United States of America.”

  191. “I think I get your point but I think a better observation…Trump did not invent the birther movement.”

    I think “Trig truthers are on par with Trump birthers” has more pizzazz.

  192. Yesterday morning, our grand daughter asked me why dew was on the grass. I took a paper towel and let it absorb water. I told her it was like the air evaporating water as it warmed, because the warmer it got, the more water it could hold.
    Then, I squeezed water from the towel and told her as the air cooled it could not hold as much water, and it was squeezed out. Hence rain, snow, and dew.

    Last night as she took her bath, she squeezed water from her bath wash rag and said “I am making dew.”

    I told her mother and grand mother what had happened and I said to our grand daughter, “I am proud of you.”

    She said “Opa is proud of me.”

    That is what I care about.

  193. Hillary’s brain injury must have been a doozey. My brain swelled after a concussion which put me to sleep for awhile. I had control of my actions and perceptions though my memory of the day after was gone. I remember everything else.

    Hillary is either lying again or her injury so addled her she became unfit to hold office.

  194. LOL Rabbit you posted that Popeye’s chicken video with the video URL as your email address so I had to approve it.

    LOL Fried chicken crisis. “I’ve been waiting for this day a long time!”

    Too much. I can just hear those two white anchors: “Ha ha, such funny negroes!”

  195. Comey fucking lied.

    Comey didn’t even interview Clinton. I wouldn’t be surprised if he never read the full report himself. He prepared the speech Lynch wanted him to prepare. You can’t lie if you don’t know the truth. His underlings probably provided him plausible deniability.

    I’m guessing our worst fears about that server are true – probably hacked like crazy by our enemies and chock full of state secrets that she destroyed before she left office.

  196. Ah yes. Hillary bleached the critical Benghazi time frame. Otherwise known as the nothingburger.

    At least she got help getting it to a holiday weekend with football to be sure the liberal media fucks can give it the old gloss.

    Obama’s America.

  197. Tigre, the Friday bad news dump is the oldest trick in the book.

    I’ve got a question for you. Everyone was sooo moved by the mothers of folks killed by evil cops. I haven’t heard a peep about the mothers Trump trotted out whose kids were killed by illegal aliens. Ya think we’re seeing a little media bias? 🤔

  198. Someone else would have to hit Hillary’s head to help her memory. I would volunteer, but I am afraid I wouldn’t be able to stop.

  199. “Comey fucking lied”

    Was reading a piece over at Ace of Spades HQ that says he should be impeached. It won’t get him out of his job, but it will pretty much assure he doesn’t get another one in the government sector.

  200. “Part of Hillary’s defense was a brain injury in which she can’t remember entire training sessions on classified info.”

    Which is going to make it tough for the press to continue to say her health isn’t an issue. In Law & Order lawyer-speak…she opened the door.

  201. Hell yes, Rutherford.

    One of the women killed by the illegals and featured by Trump was killed by an illegal in Omaha. The miscreant is long gone thanks to our feckless government.

    I predicted after Obama won the last election that you would evolve into our mind set. You are becoming one of us.

  202. The suggestion that your vote doesn’t count if the state in which you live went for the other guy, therefore you bear no responsibility for your vote for Obama – is hopelessly bewildered.

    The collective of Illinois:

    Blue in 2008. Blue in 2012. Those count for Obama. Bewildering, izzennit?

    Now, explain how your vote counted?

  203. Her vote counted because she reduced Obama’s win by one vote. That’s really all that matters.

    This year, more than any other, I am pissed off by voter cynicism. The Johnson/Weld ticket is by any measure the best compromise solution out there and the dumb cynical masses feel wed to either a criminal or an ass-clown.

    I will vote Johnson in November and be the only one in the bar who can hold his head high next year as the country goes down the toilet.

  204. I will sleep just fine writing in “none of the above”. Johnson isn’t doing it for me. Maybe by the end something will change there, but I still think the LP squandered a moment to shine by going with their same ol’ same ol’.

  205. Her vote counted because she reduced Obama’s win by one vote. That’s really all that matters.

    I don’t agree. You have resigned yourself to believe this is power. It’s like video game points are real and somehow they really matter.

    At the end of the day, her vote didn’t count, James’ vote didn’t count, my vote didn’t count.

    Participating at the voting booth in the national counts as approval of their antics. The whole thing is become a farce.

  206. “This year, more than any other, I am pissed off by voter cynicism. The Johnson/Weld ticket is by any measure the best compromise solution out there and the dumb cynical masses feel wed to either a criminal or an ass-clown.

    I will vote Johnson in November and be the only one in the bar who can hold his head high next year as the country goes down the toilet.”

    Thats high and mighty of you. Youre an unrepentant Obama voter. Your Romney-would-have-been-worse vote might ought to have bowed your own head just a little bit. Your judgment sucks, yo.

    So does moralizing when the power point of your case for persuasion rests on, at best, a “compromise.”

    Im liking Trumps defiance of all the liberal holy ground. Hes Mr zero fucks given. I approve.

  207. Im liking Trumps defiance of all the liberal holy ground. Hes Mr zero fucks given. I approve.

    Believe it or not, I like the same thing about him but that’s entertainment, not fitness to lead the greatest country on Earth.

  208. Oh and yes, the comment you quoted was unnecessarily arrogant. Ignore the arrogance and take this from it: we need to stop voting for whom we are told to vote for. They won’t even let Johnson in the debate. What are they afraid of?

  209. Rutherford, if you could go back would you trade the last 4 years of Obama to potentially give 8 years to Romney and 0 years to Hillary?

  210. Johnson doesn’t have enough poll numbers to enter the debates. If he were there he would still have no chance of winning. Why not bring the Green candidate too?

    A vote for such a candidate is indirectly a vote against Hillary and Trump. Trump needs all of the votes he can get, so Johnson will hurt Trumps chances more. In effect, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.

    Each vote counts, even if it is on the losing side. Even if Trump loses, each vote for him is a vote against Hillary and the Democratic rot. Even though Romney lost, we who voted for him hold the moral high ground. We have earned the right to criticize the alternative. You who voted for Obama can only complain and explain.

    We are now having an earth quake. Imagine that.

  211. Apparently, we had the effects of a 3.8 deep earth quake in Wyoming.

    I think they got to Comey. He saw the risk of destroying Hillary out weighed the benefits for him. He said as much when he claimed no prosecutor would take the case so he made Hillary more equal than the rest of us. It was the same as the Supreme Court decision to let Obama Care survive.

    You, who voted for Obama helped lead us to this. The rest of us did not. Our votes do count.

  212. Now, they say the earth quake may have been centered north of Oklahoma City.

    To those who voted for Obama and don’t like the results, “your judgement sucks, yo.” As I wrote, the rest of us hold the moral high ground. You don’t.

  213. According to Ancestry.com, this man was a distant relative. Should he have adopted the same logic as ‘my vote didn’t count, so I bear no responsibility for the outcome,’ and kept driving, or should he have been the only driver who tried as he did.

    The female singer mourned the death of her sister through suicide though she tried hard to keep her sister alive. Should she have said,” I can’t help her, so why should I try?”

  214. 5.6 Quake, about 60 miles W. of my house. Gulp. Got my worthless ass out of bed. Took me a few seconds to determine what it was. I thought my neighbor’s tree had hit the house, then I felt the ground roll and new better.

    Makes you wonder if the big one is coming. That’s two 5.6 quakes in less than 5 years. Who knows? I may have beach front property one day. 🙂

  215. There is no longer moral high ground in our political process. Maybe there never was. The high ground has been trampled by psychopathic liars and their sociopath enablers. We provide them tacit support whenever we go along and vote.

    It is foolish to speculate how any of the losers could have made a difference.

    If you want real change then vote for gutting the fed.

  216. With its fake news and constant fear mongering, I dub this place Shamerica.

    Because it’s a sham and a shame. It is collapsing under the weight of excessive haughtiness.

  217. New Madrid, Tex. You don’t want to be in Memphis because of the underlying soil.

    Moral high ground is problematic. We know more because electronic and alternative media makes secrets harder to keep. Stolen e mails give us even more information.

    It is not “foolish to speculate how any of the losers could have made a difference.” We KNOW based on their records, Romney and McCain would not have served us the dish we have now. I knew back in 2008 because I spent time researching. The Progressives did what I knew they would do. I even predicted it on Helen and Margaret.

    Obama voters could have done the same but they didn’t. They substituted the knowledge we had for emotion, error ridden information interpretation, faulty ideology, ignorance and media lies.

    You own this. I don’t. Face what you helped do to this country and do what you can to help fix it. Stop rationalizing what you did.

  218. We KNOW based on their records, Romney and McCain would not have served us the dish we have now.

    There are many kinds of poison. The meal is served at the same table. It’s that altar that is the problem moreso than the service. Those attending must follow house rules.

  219. I don’t own this disaster. I live with it, mostly vicariously, but this has nothing to do with me. I voted for no one who inflicted this disaster on us.

    If Hillary wins, she will not carry my finger prints either, and my conscience will be as clear as it is now. Trump on the other hand is mine.

    One good sign is that he got a standing ovation at a black church this morning. He has been on a roll lately.

  220. “Johnson doesn’t have enough poll numbers to enter the debates.”

    He also isn’t included in a lot of polls.

    “In effect, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary.”

    This is nonsense.

    That you can go on about “moral high ground” while stating these are the only 2 choices is ridiculous. Trump is not a moral high ground candidate. He’s a “fuck off Democrats” candidate and nothing more. You know this, but you use the “moral high ground” rationalization to convince yourself otherwise.

    The moral high ground is gained in this election by letting everyone involved know that none of these idiots are acceptable to lead this country. If you accept any of them, then your “you who voted for _____ helped lead us to this” will apply to you, too.

  221. I voted for no one who inflicted this disaster on us.

    Your participation was all that was needed. Your state took notice, but overruled your choice. They preferred eggs scrambled rather than over easy. You got to eat, so you eat scrambled along with the rest of the country. Same eggs, different style.

  222. You know, Huck, for someone that railed the ill-effects/significance of Obama’s executive overreach, your self-indulgent preening is kinda puke worthy. One can, in fact, be much, much worse than the other and staying home or going for a write-in may make you feel better but it doesn’t absolve. We got Obama for a second term and are being lectured by a guy that made that happen and has defended Obama’s administration from every disgusting failure that brought us to Frankenhillary that he can hold his head high. Now you. Fuck.

  223. No, Huck, it is not nonsense. They are all flawed and only two have a chance to win. One of the the two will lead this country. One will do less damage than the other.

    It is stupid to chose the worse of a bad pair through design or omission. Voting for Perot, for example, may have been a principaled statement, but gave us Clinton. As of today, only one of two candidates will win, and it is our reality. Vote a principal, and it will accomplish nothing except make you feel smug.

    A state’s poling record is irrelevant to your vote. Only you made your decision. You personally contributed to a candidate’s victory or you didn’t. It has nothing to do with a state wide vote.

    I am no degenerate, but I am not fit to lead a morals parade. In the service, bad men tried to kill me. I plotted murder and mentally rehearsed it for over a month. I strangled a man. I thought his blue green complexion proved he was dead when I quit, but he lived.

    I make my political decisions as selfishly as I made my decision years ago. What benefits me, and what benefits our country ?

    Trump may be bad for the US, but Hillary will be worse.

  224. I can’t blame anyone for not voting Trump. I can’t break bread with anyone voting Hillary (except my mother-in-law).

    “Frankenhillary”. Please tell me that’s a thing. Lol!

  225. “And refreshing doesn’t equal fit for office either.”

    This from the guy who bleats “stop putting words in my mouth.”

    If fitness be the criteria and Obama be the subject of this examination, then by all means go ahead. You have the floor.

  226. “This is nonsense.”

    I’ll give Huck this a lot of that was cringe worthy. I can’t fault him too hard for wanting to open a window on it.

  227. Standing on higher ground only matters if you’re above the floodline. Trump might be a lesser evil than Hillary, but support for Trump still puts a person under moral floodwaters.

    He is not proving to be a person worthy of leading this country. That he is more worthy than his competition is not enough to qualify him. He’s a protest vote. Voting for him is probably not the way I am going to choose to protest.

  228. if you could go back would you trade the last 4 years of Obama to potentially give 8 years to Romney and 0 years to Hillary?

    This asks for 20/20 hindsight. In 2012, I didn’t know Hillary had endangered national security. I didn’t know the wall between State and the Foundation had huge holes in it. In 2012 I had about 25% of the passion for Obama that I had in 2008. I also wasn’t at all sure HRC would be the 2016 nominee.

    So, if the question is, knowing what you know now about HRC, would you vote Romney to keep her out of the White House, I think I would. But that also assumes my head would have been in the same place then as it is now. I was a far more dedicated liberal then.

    P.S. Your question comes close to asking “would you have killed baby Hitler, knowing what you know now?”

  229. Even though Romney lost, we who voted for him hold the moral high ground. We have earned the right to criticize the alternative.

    And that goes for me too. Even though Johnson will likely lose, I will not be responsible for either disastrous alternative going to the WH.

  230. We provide them tacit support whenever we go along and vote.

    Poolman I have said in the past that my favorite approach is boycott the vote so a clear message is sent that this years election is a farce.

    But another part of me thinks that amounts to surrender.

    I think I’m honing in on a new strategy. My Johnson vote fits my social and fiscal leanings. As for down ticket, I am seriously considering voting straight GOP just to fuck Debbie Wasserman Schultz up the ass. 😈

  231. One good sign is that he got a standing ovation at a black church this morning. He has been on a roll lately.

    James, the media spin is he was given a proper Christian welcome but he changed very few minds.

  232. Same eggs, different style.

    I’ve said earlier that, ass-clown that he may be, Trump provides a much sharper contrast to the Dem ticket than McCain or Romney ever did.

  233. Yes, a vote for Trump is a protest ballot, but he is the only viable alternative to Hillary. We know from her record that Hillary is a danger to our country.

    Trump has no political record , so we cannot judge by the same standards we judge Hillary.

    We know he is a showman and a businessman who has had few compunctions against crushing obstacles, even if they are little old widows.

    His ideology is one of convenience with features crossing well within the border of liberalism. Shape shifter Trump becomes what the observer wants him to be.

    As a business man who sells things, his instinct is to get along to keep his customer base healthy. I think one reason he hasn’t shown us his tax returns is that he is worth less than he claims. He uses his net worth to validate his legitimacy.

    Trump is smart and more energetic than Hillary. He says what others are afraid to say. I also think his advisors will be more friendly to our traditional way of life than will Hillary’s.

    A vote for Hillary is a vote for institutionalizing the rule of people v the rule of law.

    Hillary may be dead or disabled before the end of her term.

    That is why I am voting for Trump. If he turns out to be a greater disaster than we have now, I will appologize for doing my part to make it happen.

    No matter who wins, this will not end well.

  234. Vote a principal, and it will accomplish nothing except make you feel smug.

    James you’re all over the place. You have said you will vote Trump so when HRC wins you can smugly wash your hands of it.

    Hillary’s aides are telling her to “prepare for a landslide”. The GOP is in a panic. Unless something changes between now and November, your vote for Trump, a carnival barker and huckster, is a wasted vote. Find someone you TRULY believe in – Johnson or McMullin and vote accordingly.

  235. Rutherford, it is too much to expect that one church visit will change many minds. Actually seeing Trump should convince a few people that he is not the evil force they thought he was. Changing committed minds takes more time than Trump has until the election. I hope this isn’t the only such gathering Trump speaks to.

    He may have more success with uncommitted voters who decide to take a chance on him.

    It is a start more Republicans should have tried years ago.

    Yes, the American people make this a reality, but we have to live with it and use what is dealt to us.

  236. If fitness be the criteria and Obama be the subject of this examination, then by all means go ahead. You have the floor.

    Muffy, first I tipped my hat at your correction so I’m not putting words in your mouth. Second if you really think I’m going to debate someone who suggests Obama was as preposterous a candidate as Trump, you’re talking to the wrong guy.

  237. “Yes, the American people make this a reality, but we have to live with it and use what is dealt to us.”

    That’s true. But we are the dealer.

  238. “So, if the question is, knowing what you know now about HRC, would you vote Romney to keep her out of the White House, I think I would.”

    That was the question and I consider it answered. Thank you for responding 🙂

  239. People should vote for ever they feel suits their views best. If that means we as a nation collectively unleash a total piece of shit like Hillary on the world so be it.
    Obviously the machine isn’t broke enough for people to notice and to finally wake the fuck up,so I’m fine with smashing the motherfucker some more. We get the government we deserve and 2012 proved that hands down.
    To the folks voting for Trump here I’d ask if they call themselves Republicans or (C)conservatives
    Either way how do you reconcile Trump becoming the standard bearer? If Hillary wins who do YOU believe is the next GOP standard bearer? Are all the issues facing this country such a stain on toilet paper that you can vote for an unknown simply because he isn’t the known?
    I’d like to hear the answers to those questions before listening to any more chest pounding about morality and wasted votes.

  240. Rutherford you know you’re voting for Tammy.

    Duckworth? I have an incredibly immature answer for you. My vote for Duckworth will depend on my level of anger against the Dem party by November. My vote for Johnson is best of a bad lot. My vote for down ticket GOP’s will be a protest vote if that’s where I go.

    P.S. If I remember correctly, Duckworth was the only Dem who asked Hillary good questions during the summer congressional hearing.

    P.p.s. I will not soon forgive the dnc for what they did to Bernie, fucking bastards.

  241. Rutherford, I would vote for almost anyone but Trump if I thought he or she could win. But as of today, Trump is the only alternative to Hillary.
    A vote for Johnson or anyone else is a wasted vote. I will not waste my vote for a principal.

    I will also know that whatever happens will not be my fault by any stretch of imagination. Trump, on the other hand will be my fault in a tiny way.

  242. If Hillary wins who do YOU believe is the next GOP standard bearer?

    Wow is that a great and not easy to answer question. I bought into the strong GOP bench meme this time around only to see a reality star smash the bench to pieces.

    What becomes of Trumpians in an HRC world? Will they wither away? Will they gain momentum? Can an “establishment” candidate pick up Trumps nativist mantle and run with it?

    I think the future of the GOP is a fascinating subject upon which to conjecture.

  243. I am not a conservative, and I am only a Republican because I think I have been able to influence our local organization. I don’t give money to any of them.

    Trump is the standard bearer because he said what the others were afraid to touch, and because the liberal press gave him free publicity. Trump caught fire with people who felt neglected by both parties.

    I don’t know who will be the next candidate if Hillary wins, but I like Marco Rubio. He might be in a good position if he is lucky. Or someone we don’t yet know will be the standard bearer.

    Please don’t miss understand me. I am not setting myself up as some sort of moral authority or beating my chest. I am stating a fact. One who doesn’t vote for one candidate in this situation is helping the other.

    I mentioned my decision to actually plot and attempt to kill men to show I am no moral bulwark. It was in self defense, but still…

    I am not saying a vote for Hillary or any one else is immoral. I am saying whomever voted for a bad candidate has less ground to complain than one who didn’t. Again, that is not chest pounding it is a fact.

    “Are all of the issues” such a stain that I can vote for an unknown? Yes, yes, and yes again.

  244. I was fighting for someone to win during the primary (Ben Carson.) I am fighting to see someone defeated during the general election (Hillary Clinton.) In both cases I am making the best choices to see those goals achieved and in neither case does that necessarily make me a Trump supporter.

    There are only two viable options this election cycle. Baring an untimely death, it will be Hillary or Trump. No one else has the infrastructure or has shown the ability to raise the nearly $500 million needed to be competitive (compared to Obama spending $1.3 billion last cycle.) Any further doubts reference the 12th amendment. To claim that a 3rd party has the same chance of winning as does a person does at winning the power ball lottery is overstating the case.

    All of that being said, if you are casting a vote that does not directly go to the effort of defeating Hillary, you bare responsibility if she is elected. There is no 3rd party choice for me (even ben Carson) that warrants the risk involved of what we face from a Hillary Presidency.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/09/03/so-hammers-were-used-to-destroy-clintons-mobile-devices-n2213598?utm_content=buffer6e8ff&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  245. I know you don’t like it when black men speak out and get all uppity Rutherford, but the kid has a point.

    1) Glad you corrected yourself. He’s not a man.

    2) I’ve acknowledged in the past that I admire the kid for his interest in politics. He’s a very thoughtful kid.

    3) That said, he’s also the kind of kid the other kids find an arrogant jerk. Play some Nintendo or football for Christ’s sake!

    4) Your ongoing infatuation with this KID is starting to worry me. #nopedo 😀😀😀😀

  246. I also wonder what will become of the Trumpians, especially if Trump wins, and he disappoints them.

    Democrats have a similar problem. Bernie Sanders still has a following too.

  247. All of that being said, if you are casting a vote that does not directly go to the effort of defeating Hillary, you bare responsibility if she is elected.
    I imagine that sounds great to some but I accept neither the thesis nor the conclusion. A citizens right and responsibility regards democracy is not limited to picking that which is offered by those opposed to democracy.

  248. “I’ll wager Huck voted for Perot.”

    Another bet you’d lose.

    “You know, Huck, for someone that railed the ill-effects/significance of Obama’s executive overreach, your self-indulgent preening is kinda puke worthy.”

    I’m not lecturing anyone who isn’t trying to pin the coming plate of shit onto me. James wants to convince himself he’s doing the right thing by telling us a vote for anyone but Donald Trump is a vote for Hillary. He knows she is going to win and wants advanced cover. He’s already said that. I’m simply pointing out that I’m covering my own ass by voting for neither. They are both a complete joke and I won’t have a part in being responsible for either. I’ll sleep just fine while you heave into your barf bag.

    I made it clear long ago that I would not support any candidate that did not make a smaller government and less powerful executive a big part of his platform. Feel free to point out any of the remaining candidates that have done so. I’ll parlay my winnings from your many failed bets about what I think and do and wager that if you can find one, it won’t be the one that you’ll be voting for.

  249. For clarification sake it isn’t about “winning” it’s about what exactly you stand for. I believe HRC should be killed or at least exiled in some fashion. I believe Trump is a poser,a fucking meat puppet who if elected would be ineffective at pushing some of the good points he actually campaigned on. I don’t believe the two major candidates get the Constitution and neither but especially Hillary doesn’t get that there is no reset button on our foreign policy and military fronts. On the latter Trump is especially out of touch with reality.

  250. I don’t want to convince myself about the election.I am certain. Yes, I am covering myself, and I know we will all be sorry if Hillary wins.

    You will wait a lifetime for someone who will actually shrink the government and take power from the chief executive.

  251. @ Huck you’d kind of have to go Johnson except he respects he needs Congress to oblige and there’s the real rub. No matter who wins the US Congress is so totally retarded,out of touch,corrupt and arrogant that no Oval occupant is going to do anything but meekly respond to the inevitable that are coming.

  252. I’m starting to wonder if this entire forum doesn’t need a 12th grade refresher course on the electoral college and voting trends for the last 30+ years.

    Any of you gamblers here want to wager on who takes California by a landslide? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Put the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

    Unless I vote for Hillary, I am not voting for Hillary. And if I don’t vote for Hillary I bear no responsibility for Hillary. It’ll be on millions of other dumbasses in the state I currently call home.

  253. “Huck you’d kind of have to go Johnson except he respects he needs Congress to oblige and there’s the real rub.”

    I’m fine with that. I’d rather see nothing get done than to see a president kiss congressional ass or bypass them.

    That isn’t just lip service and it’s not an issue on which I will compromise.

  254. I did my part to try and stop Hillary. I re-registered as a Democrat just so I could vote Sanders in the California primary.

    All of you “a vote for anyone but Hillary is a vote for Hillary” people raise your hand if you voted for Bernie Sanders in your state’s primary.

    Yeah…didn’t think so….

  255. Democrats have a similar problem. Bernie Sanders still has a following too.

    Dems have less a problem because they are sheep. Sandernistas should have burned that convention to the ground. Instead, they allowed themselves to be lectured by a fucking comedian, Sarah Silverman.

  256. We know how it works. Trump could win the popular vote and still lose the Electoral College.

    Hillary’s margin of victory would be important. A land slide could strengthen her politically.

    “If I don’t vote for Hillary” I bear no responsibility for what follows. The other California idiots where our son and daughter in law also live probably won’t know why they are suffering. Others will benefit from her policies, while more businesses move to other states. Our son’s company has already sent people out.

  257. A citizens right and responsibility regards democracy is not limited to picking that which is offered by those opposed to democracy.

    Damn that would make a great Facebook quote, attributed to the wrong person, as most Facebook circulated quotes are.

    Well said, Alfie!

  258. I should have done what Huck did, register as a Democrat to vote for Sanders. Everyone knows everyone, here and people would have noticed, but I could have done it. I will remember next time.

    You may have a point, Rutherford.

  259. @ Huck you get a special pass man since CA has done what they did in assuring the gutting of the state GOP. It will interesting to see if in the not too distant future the CA GOP resurfaces in the persona of an Asian or Latino.

  260. You will wait a lifetime for someone who will actually shrink the government and take power from the chief executive.

    Then what’s the point of being a conservative?

    Think about this. I’m a lib and I say “James, I’ve been rethinking my position. Convince me why I should become a conservative.”

    And you say, “because we stand for smaller government but by the way we will never have a candidate who will actually shrink government”.

    So, what’s the point exactly? Why vote in any federal election?

  261. 1) Glad you corrected yourself. He’s not a man.
    Far more than you have proven yourself to be with significant evidence.

    2) I’ve acknowledged in the past that I admire the kid for his interest in politics. He’s a very thoughtful kid.
    And to date has demonstrated himself to be more thoughtful and articulate than you thus far.

    3) That said, he’s also the kind of kid the other kids find an arrogant jerk. Play some Nintendo or football for Christ’s sake!
    Your excuse to continue to engage any content that is beyond your ability to grasp or to offer a meaningful retort.

    4) Your ongoing infatuation with this KID is starting to worry me. #nopedo 😀😀😀😀
    Like you I share you concern because every time you see this child the subject of pedophilia comes up.

    As for the notion that if you are not against Hillary that you are helping her. There are two viable options and no one here is capable of proving otherwise. You know it, I know it. What excuse you give yourself not to prove otherwise is of no concern, only that predictably you will not. That said, if you are not casting a vote that forces Hillary to have to produce a voter to counter your vote, you are by default giving her at a minimum 1/2 vote, even if you stay home. The math says this a fact and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

  262. I’d rather see nothing get done than to see a president kiss congressional ass or bypass them.

    Then it seems to me your real beef is with a legislative branch that wants big gov, not the executive.

  263. I can’t convince you to be a conservative, Rutherford, because I am not a conservative.

    The point of voting is to find someone fairly honest who approximates your beliefs and to do at least as much independent research as you would if you were looking for a new car or looking for information about your daughter’s steady boyfriend. I think relative honesty is what we need most.

    People died for our right to vote.

  264. “Noah, anyone who supported Ben Carson in the primary in the hope of eventually stopping Hillary, has forfeited his right to debate. 😊”

    I understand your prejudice for any black man who steps outside of his intended role in society and decides to think for himself. It is the same reason you ignored CJ. We will have to agree to disagree that the Democrat party owns the black man’s mind or his vote.

  265. Like you I share you concern because every time you see this child the subject of pedophilia comes up.

    If you persisted in posting videos of an opinionated giraffe, would it be odd for me to comment on your preoccupation with giraffes?

    Or to put it more practically, check out the digs Poolman gets for his Brother Nate vids or James for Sofia Janok references.

    On another note, you take great risk in placing your confidence in a 14 year old. Hillary was a Goldwater girl. 😊

  266. independent research

    James, lazy though I am, that’s a tall order. How many sources, particularly related to politics, are to be trusted? There is almost always agenda and sadly almost always lies from both sides.

  267. “Second if you really think I’m going to debate someone who suggests Obama was as preposterous a candidate as Trump, you’re talking to the wrong guy.”

    Youd like to pretend Obama never happened. But he did. And you are responsible for electing him.

    What you could be doing instead of moralizing to the rest of us who did not put Obama in the position for which he is still after 8 years on the job woefully unfit is a little bit of self-reflection on the long term and rather dire consequences of your own actions.

  268. Obama happened, Muffy, but it’s pretty much a fete accompli, dontcha think?

    This discussion is future looking. I wouldn’t be considering a non-Dem vote if I didn’t concede:

    1) Our FP position is a disaster.
    2) Our domestic health is highly overrated by the lib media.
    3) The Dem candidate promises incremental change when we need a total facelift.
    4) She places self interest over the national interest.

    Regardless of what you (or James) say, Obama never presented the political face of warts, and pimples that Hillary does. Even the lib media cannot completely ignore her transgressions.

  269. That’s true. But we are the dealer.

    In an ideal world, maybe.

    Unfortunately, the house provides a marked deck and owns the table.

  270. Wow Noah, the brother was headed somewhere until the very end when he said there is no political solution.

    So what’s next? Don’t vote? What’s the point of blacks considering non-Dem candidates if “no politician” can save the black community?

  271. “I’m simply pointing out that I’m covering my own ass by voting for neither.”

    Oh. Then cover away. I want to be sure your insufferable ass is covered. 😆

    p.s. The Perot wager was sarcasm. Throw it into your huge pile of other wagers you think you’ve won, whatever they are.

  272. R, it’s “fait accompli” and “piqued.” Not “fete” and “peaked.”

    Why must I always correct your writing?

  273. “Wow Noah, the brother was headed somewhere until the very end when he said there is no political solution.”

    Radical Liberalism 101. Find one line, one phrase, one word and then offer up blanket dismissal.

    He said no politician can save the black community Rutherford. Get It right or don’t bother.

  274. So much back and forth, I’ve lost track of where people are. I’m gonna take a stab at a tally. Corrections are encouraged:

    James Trump
    Noah Trump
    Muffy Trump
    Tigre ????
    Rabbit leaning Trump but not happy
    Tex leaning Trump but not happy
    Huck none of the above
    Alfie Johnson?
    Poolman not voting
    Rutherford Johnson
    Lurker Clinton
    Raji/Emily Bronte ????

    If I left out anyone, my apologies.

    P.S. I can’t see either Gorilla or BiC voting Trump. Obviously they won’t vote Clinton. ?????

  275. Yes, Rutherford, it is a tall order. You are one of the smartest people here and you can probably teach yourself to read faster to save time. I speed read. I feel silly telling you something you already know.

    “Obama’s Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light.” by Stanly Kurtz of National Review was a good start. He also wrote a book.

    I find conservative and liberal links on Drudge Report. I also like Betsys page. She is a conservative teacher, but she links to many articles which can be checked by other sources.

    I look for biographies which are usually not political. Hot Air includes liberal with conservative articles. Sometimes, I check Huffington and Gloria Borger. I like Maurine Dowd too. Sometimes, I read random blogs and usually read the comments sections .
    Once in a while, I see Tex’s name in the comments.

    I research political issues sometimes.
    If Hillary favors and then opposes the KeyStone Pipe line, for example, I look for articles on it.

    I rarely comment here without holding something back as self defense . I made three or four seemingly outrageous comments and you wrote that I was crazy. Then I gave my supporting information. I did the same in grad school.

    I was part of an experimental accelerated PHD program and earned a MA with thesis certification to teach in community college, and 9 hours to a PHD in four semesters. I read over a thousand pages for a Western European philosophy course each week.

    It is like researching a term paper. You have to look for facts which hide in even biased articles and compare liberal and and conservative as you know. Follow the same story in several articles.

    In time you will get a feel for what borders on true and what doesn’t. You already know most of this.

    I am not bragging. I am illustrating why I read so much. It was ingrained in me.

    I read many Chicago news papers to understand Obama’s past. Hillary is easier because she is a known quantity.

    I also like the British and some European newspapers.

    I look for patterns.

    I don’t know anyone who does what I do, but sometimes I get lazy and don’t even read our local news paper.

  276. Rutherford, I found many Obama warts. Charlie Rose interviewed Tom Brokaw and another man. Tom said something like “we don’t know much about Obama, even what he reads.” They cared more about Sarah Palin’s red neck background and didn’t research Obama.

    I knew about Obama’s Gazebo to Nowhere, and his friendship with Bill Ayres. I knew how he took credit for something someone else in the Ill legislature did, and why he joined Wright’s church. I also knew Obama was a member of the New Party and I knew who raised him.

    I could tell you some of Sarah Palin’s background too.

    Muffy probably knew as much or more than I did. The press was ignorant.

  277. “Obama happened, Muffy, but it’s pretty much a fete accompli, dontcha think?”

    Thats the funny thing about consequences. They have a tendency to show up afterwards.

  278. What is the point of making a point when it is dismissed out of hand 99% of the time.

    Oh I don’t think I’ve hit 99% yet. We basically agree on Hillary. I am much more skeptical of “black politics” than you care to acknowledge. I think you just enjoy the battle. Agreeing is just no fun.

  279. “Obama never presented the political face of warts, and pimples that Hillary does. Even the lib media cannot completely ignore her transgressions.”

    And yet Obama can.

    Without Obama there is no Madame President in 2016.

  280. That’s right alfie. You can vote for whom ever you want to and you can keep it secret. I have the right to criticize your vote if I feel like it.

    As I told you before, Obama presented warts and pimples, but the right people didn’t notice. Muffy and I found them. You could have looked harder and found them too.

    One I forgot to mention was his connection with ACORN. Obama did legal work for them and trained activists.

    Obama didn’t just happen. People made him president with their votes, money, and time. His tenure led to Hillary. In tiny way, you and everyone else who voted for Obama made Hillary possible.

    It was as inevitable as our morning earth quake. Hillary was supposed to succeed Bush, but Obama out foxed her. It is her turn now, and the leadership made sure Bernie would be an also ran.

  281. I don’t know about Noah, but I enjoy the battle.
    This has been fun.

    One other thing I do is take note of each source’s bias and opinions and watch to see which one is most often proven right.

  282. You could have looked harder and found them too.
    If thats aimed at me you’re quite simply out of line. I was all about the pitfalls of Obama when the Right was wasting time on Kenya and assorted nonsense. I was right there with others early on pointing out that MA Governor Deval Patrick was an Axelrod trial balloon and how the junior Senator from IL lied in Boston when he said he was happy being the junior Senator from IL. I was also quite strident about folks continuing to waste energy and credibility denouncing every fucking thing he did after being elected as opposed to the actual things he did that truly sucked. There are still corners of the Right trying to defeat Obama in 2016 even though he isn’t running. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!

    I am totally voting in November since 3 out of 4 of my states ballot questions are things I care about. In fact I’ve taken action on one of the campaigns and hope to ramp that up in the coming weeks.

    As for who I’m casting a vote for POTUS and why,well like I’ve done in previous elections I will be posting my positions and reasoning and you and anyone else will be welcome to comment on that.

  283. Since it is a multi-party theme I’m game to chime in on the Obama begot Hillary meme.
    I don’t agree.
    Deeper I think Obama actually dislikes the Clintons. I think Obama spent any political capital he had on himself thus he failed to move the Democrats away from the DNC/DWS/Clinton Machine. The candidates Obama truly sired were Sanders and Warren but those septuagenarians waffled and the cheese stood alone.
    Obama is playing nice to Clinton because he foresees any (D) as a compliment to his legacy as opposed to the repudiation Trump represents.
    Clinton is a machine politician,a legacy turd like Dole and McCain were. Obama was something different like a Sanders or even a Reagan although more an empty vessel than those two for sure.

  284. @Alfie – I agree with everything you wrote at 10:24, though I assume most of it must be pertaining to a discussion Im not having or following.

    Beget isnt the word I would use for it either.

  285. “There are still corners of the Right trying to defeat Obama in 2016 even though he isn’t running. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE!”

    2016 is very much about stopping the progression of the disease. Same as 2012.

  286. Evidently Sister Mary Rutherford would forgive us our Trumpasses before Trump is even finished serving out his term. Trump would be feet da complee by then. Is that how these moral thingies work?

    Obama is simply a cool liar where Hillary is simply a liar. Corruption runs through this administration like a green mambas venom.

    My conscience wont let me NOT vote to stop her.

  287. Without Obama there is no Madame President in 2016.

    You’re kidding right? Who do you think would have run against McCain in 2012 if he had beaten Obama? Who would have run against Romney this year if Romney was now going for his second term?

  288. I dont know what back and forth youre talking about.
    PS…G said hed go drunk for Trump.

    I was referring very simply to conversations going on at the bar in general. Some folks preferences, like yours, stand out. Others I was fuzzy on.

    Thanks for the reminder on Gorilla. He was one I was fuzzy on.

  289. @R – Your questions dont make sense to me. And no Im not kidding.

    Obama protecting Hillary is not a mere fact in her skating it is an overwhelming fact.

  290. Muffy, as I understand it, regardless of your response to Alfie, you said in so many words Obama begot Hillary. I am telling you Obama was a speed bump on Hillary’s inevitable quest for the presidency.

  291. “Muffy, as I understand it, regardless of your response to Alfie, you said in so many words Obama begot Hillary. I am telling you Obama was a speed bump on Hillary’s inevitable quest for the presidency.

    No I didn’t.

    If Obama wasnt protecting her she would be brought up on charges for her conduct in handling classified material while serving as his sec of state. There would also be an investigation into her foundation instead of a cover up. She didn’t invent the stonewalling and obstruction that is the hallmark of this administration.

    Think about this – who is the one person who could have put a stop to her when the truth finally became too clear for even the MSNBC-no-evils to deny?

    Compare his actions to what someone of sound character would have said and done.

  292. Hillary was inevitable, and yes, Obama was a giant speed bump. The party leadership fixed the path for Hillary to let her have her turn.

    Hillary’s future would have been bleaker with President Romney. He would not have corrupted the government and practice of justice as Obama did. In that respect, there would be no Madam President without Obama.

    Yes, we suffer from a disease.

  293. “If Obama wasnt protecting her she would be brought up on charges for her conduct in handling classified material while serving as his sec of state.”

    Bingo. And this is where Rutherford’s pathological compartmentalization begins.

    He’s not alone. Most of the country seems to pretend it didn’t and isn’t happening, despite the obvious.

    Hell…. Take just the timing of the FBI dump. Sadly, this kind of thing is nothing comapred to the corruption Obama has facilitated. And yes, he has facilitated it all.

    His legacy will be corruption, a failed health care reform, anarchy in the middle east, a flexing China and agressive Russia.

    At least things went good in the hermit nation of fucking Myanmar. Golf clap.

    Despite these failures, corruption will be what historians write about the most as I am convinced one day there will be irrefutable proof that the entire State Department was essentially hacked because Hillary tried to hide her pay to play racket while Obama did everything in his power to hide it all from the American people. I doesn’t get more depraved than that.

  294. Personally, for me, Johnson is the easy way out. I apologize for my primary protest vote, vote 3rd party and enjoy my high ground on the RL blog.

    Or do I take the best course of action to stop the cunt.

  295. At least things went good in the hermit nation of fucking Myanmar. Golf clap.

    ** GUFFAW ** Damn Rabbit, you can be funny.

    Let’s not forget about another Obama legacy that will have a far more profound impact on our children and grandchildren than all of his other screw ups combined.

    Accumulating an aggregate debt of all the other Presidents combined together…this country will experience a financial crisis like none it has ever experienced before. I can’t tell you on what day, but it is imminent.

    Obama, the DOJ, the Fed, Wall Street, the SEC – every damn one of them are corrupt to the core.

  296. @ Muffy I absolutely agree the disease warrants an aggressive fight. My problem is that I personally find zero difference in the virulence of either Variant D or Variant R. The failure of our democracy is pandemic.

  297. Here’s the straight scoop in a national election. There are two countries in the United States diametrically opposed to each other, with all but a handful of states already determined. And every election is now determined by demographic.

    And since the white birth rate is basically zero, has been for quite awhile, and non-Hispanic whites have a total fertility rate significantly less than their “people of color” counterparts, the country has changed significantly the last thirty years. Throw in the secularization of the country, the Republican White vote is not enough to win national elections these days.

    But the immutable fact is Democratic policies that win national elections cannot raise standards of living and in fact attribute to the wage gap; the federal government is little but a bloated pig that assures these POC will remain in abject poverty and failed schools; our foreign policies will be weak and feckless; and America’s power will continue to wane. Minority anger will continue to grow, as too many are too stupid and too amoral to admit the clear self-evidence that all cultures are not of equal value.

    The only thing keeping blue states afloat these days is historical inertia – and they are visibly decaying as we speak.

    America’s days as sole superpower are numbered, and there is no one to blame but the people that have elected this feckless federal government which continues to balloon out of control. What has happened to America will quickly happen to red states, as more immigrate to the red states out of necessity, but will not change the values that left them in dire straights.

  298. “What is the point of making a point when it is dismissed out of hand 99% of the time.”

    “Oh I don’t think I’ve hit 99% yet. We basically agree on Hillary. I am much more skeptical of “black politics” than you care to acknowledge. I think you just enjoy the battle. Agreeing is just no fun.”

    110% I do this for the battle. Proving oneself to be right or to be proven wrong is the point. Having opponents with the integrity to take the hits and fight back and admit when they are wrong is what makes it worthwhile and that is where you come up so very short Rutherford.

    “I am much more skeptical of “black politics” than you care to acknowledge.”

    This is the part I think confuses you the most and highlights the greatest difference as a human being between you and I. I have zero fear, zero ego, and zero shame, when it comes to admitting what I feel on any subject, when asked. I don’t always offer it anymore because I have found not everyone has the ability to deal with an honest observation. I find you to be very guarded and reserved, the kind of person who fears having to endure and admit to being wrong. So much so that I think you sense it coming well in advance and you shut down on an intellectual level in this group and in doing so take most of the enjoyment out of why I engage in these discussions. I could never imagine being you are and for that at least you have my pity.

    ISIS, arsenal including grenade launchers, plans to attack The US, 2.5 hours from my home on American soil. And the pansies will tell you Trump is merely fear mongering. He is 100% right, the Trojan Horses are being escorted and unchecked onto our soil by our “leadership” as we speak, with our tax dollars.
    This is no joke, not fear mongering.

    http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/184554533-story

  299. Alfie, I got sick while out in the field.

    My fever was so high that one night Dick Nixon looked down at me from the wall of my tent. Barry Goldwater and JFK joined him. I knew they weren’t real and made them do figure eights.

    The doctor gave me something for my fever and told me to quit bothering him. My medic training told me I might have lieukemia. My weight fell from 148 to 125 in six weeks.
    I felt better when I was home on leave until my temperature surged to 105.6.

    The doctor told me he feared I had lieukemia and that my blood count was extraordinary. Three days later, he took chest x rays. Soon, he said ” you are a very sick boy. You have double viral pneumonia.”

    It took nearly a year for me to feel normal again, but it was a good object lesson. There is a hell of a lot of difference between variant R and variant D. One is fatal, especially in 1966. The other is potentially fatal, but curable.

    Progressives through control of the courts, IRS and national justice, combined with education, the media and a chronically weak economy are more toxic than their counterpart. They are institutionalizing and normalizing a fatal national disease.

  300. James the past 16 years indicates that Variant R is just as deadly to our Republic. For example, do you think Obama’s actions at G20 2016 is telling of his “progressive” (D) pedigree?

  301. Yes, and no, Alfie.

    Obama is trying to reach an agreement with Putin over Syria and I assume Russian relations with western Europe. His attempt was not ideological in my opinion. It was based on the reality which he helped create. Both sides know Syria and the Middle East as they are currently constituted represent a threat to all sides.

    Progressives did not create all of this problem. Russia was humiliated after its fall, and Republicans share blame for rubbing salt into their wounds the same as when they ignored Afghanistan after we beat the Taliban.

    Obama is not necessarily progressive in foreign affairs. Progressives can be as interventionist as conservatives. Hillary is an example.

    Obama is anti- colonialist with a soft spot in his heart for Islam. He is a hybrid. His weak performance has provided an opening for Russia to regain some of its former grandure.

    I believe Obama still supports NAFTA and so did Hillary until it became politically wise to change her mind. Opposition seems to be a progressive theme, though some conservatives oppose it too. On balance, Obama’s positions do not seem overly progressive.

    NAFTA may have hurt your part of the country, but it has helped mine. I feel like a hyprocrite, but I know from experience other parts of the US hardly know we exist let alone worry about our well being. NAFTA has been good to me and it has not ruined the Heartland.

    Obama wants closer relations with Vietnam, and I agree. We are developing a partnership to discourage China from more incursions the South China Sea.

    He opposes Brexit, and that is a Progressive theme.

    Now, Hillary is our problem.

  302. When a bear awakens from hibernation nobody is going to rock it back to sleep.
    The realities of spheric foreign policy is well out of Obama’s or any other Oval occupants control. The best folks can expect is that others appreciate and agree with ones position. In two crucial spheres it was not Obama who destroyed our credibility.

  303. Obama is not necessarily progressive in foreign affairs. Progressives can be as interventionist as conservatives. Hillary is an example.
    Clinton is a Wilsonian while Obama is a hot mess mashup of at least three out of 4 Mead schools.
    It is ironic that folks supporting Trumps foreign policy foundations while bashing Obamas. The foundation is the same.

  304. Compare his actions to what someone of sound character would have said and done.

    My impression is that 99% of Presidents protect their administration until they are up against the wall. Nixon didn’t fire anyone until the shit really hit the fan.

    But I will offer you this one olive branch: why do we associate Teapot Dome with Harding but we don’t associate email-gate with Obama? If my history is right, Teapot Dome involved corrupt cabinet members, not Harding himself, yet he was stained. Obama walks away unstained. Why the double standard?

  305. “Why the double standard?”

    He’s black.
    The dems own the press
    Corruption has become an acceptable matter of degree among the moron masses, evidenced by your Nixon comparison.

  306. The Hillary cover up is un-fuckig-believable. 13 devices, some “smashed with hammers,” deletion after NY Times exposed and she had come out saying she was producing them, and the best, a laptop and other device “lost in the mail.”

    All that info, confidential and blackmail worthy, “lost in the mail.” Hahahahahahah. Yeah right.

    I can’t wait for MSNBC on Tuesday. The term “Nothingburger” come to mind. I don’t why or where I’ve heard that. . .

  307. The realities of spheric foreign policy is well out of Obama’s or any other Oval occupants control.

    I agree with half of that. However, we can certainly control our own positions with our own conduct and our policies with respect to the foreign front. The fact Obama and his profoundly ignorant cabinet approached the Muslim Brotherhood as “secular” is one of only dozens of examples of abject stupidity demonstrated by this feckless administration.

    I give you one spectacular failed example in approach: Hillary Clinton holding a big red button to “reset” our relationship with Russia – now the up and coming USSR.

    That was and still is a fundamental misunderstanding of Vladimir Putin and his intent.

  308. “What in your estimation IS the case against Trump?”
    He lacks credibility.

    OK let’s run with that. You said you find that case surprisingly weak. What makes him credible?

  309. Hillary’s future would have been bleaker with President Romney. He would not have corrupted the government and practice of justice as Obama did.

    I think the public has shown they don’t care about corruption as much as you do. We can only conjecture that Romney’s first term would be successful and if not, HRC would clean his clock this year.

    P.S. I think Alfie said this and I agree: Obama does not like Clinton. Just as Obama likes church as much as I do. He does what he finds politically expedient.

  310. Romneys first term would’ve been awesome but wouldn’t have been likely to pursue former Secretary of State Clinton thus allowing 2016 Hillary to run less hindered than she is now.

  311. “I think the public has shown they don’t care about corruption as much as you do.”

    Strange, you just mentioned double standards, then follow with this. They have shown they and the media don’t care about DEMOCRAT corruption. Corruption on the right is a fucking feeding frenzy.

    We can certainly “conjecture” that Romney would’ve been better than the shot show we got, with absolute conjectural certainty.

  312. Gary Johnson Says ‘Illegal Immigrant’ is ‘Incendiary’ To Hispanics
    What a fuck wad…

    Telling the truth makes him a fuckwad? Why do you think the GOP is in the crapper with Hispanics?

    Just because you and I agree that they are, by definition, illegal immigrants doesn’t mean many Hispanics don’t find the phrase offensive. They do.

  313. Corruption has become an acceptable matter of degree among the moron masses, evidenced by your Nixon comparison.

    If you’re suggesting that citing Nixon as an example of corruption is moronic, you need to have your noggin examined.

  314. No what Im saying is a Romney Administration wouldn’t have sanctioned a witch hunt of the witch. Ergo Clintons laundry wouldn’t have been publicized.

  315. “If you’re suggesting that citing Nixon as an example of corruption is moronic, you need to have your noggin examined.”

    Please read what I said again. Slowly. Maybe run your finger under the text and mouth the words.

    I was worried that if I said “shot show” you’d assume it was reference to guns and need a safe space. I corrected it for you, my sensitive liberal friend.

  316. “What in your estimation IS the case against Trump?” -R
    “He lacks credibility.” -muffy
    “OK let’s run with that. You said you find that case surprisingly weak. What makes him credible?” -R

    Huh?
    I said he lacks credibility.

  317. R, seriously, do you think the scope and level of corruption shown by Hillary is anything like what we got from Nixon? And yes, dingbat, Nixon was corrupt. Beyond that, I find no comparison worthy of discussion, particularly if offered as a “I know you are, but what am I” justification.

    Scooter Libby was convicted, MSNBC calls Hillary a “nothingburger.” It’s soooooo fucked up. Obama, DOJ, FBI, State Dept. — all complicit.

    How do you explain the Obama double standard? In a bygone era (like more than 10 minutes ago), I blame the Rutherfords of the world.

  318. I’m gonna need some MSNBC before football tonight. I’m sure it’s ripe.

    Prediction: more Trump is a racist ass clown than Hillary is the single most corrupt scabrous lying hag that ever lived.

  319. No what Im saying is a Romney Administration wouldn’t have sanctioned a witch hunt of the witch. Ergo Clintons laundry wouldn’t have been publicized.

    Makes no difference. Romney reelection super Pacs and surrogates over which he has no control would have aired the dirty laundry anyway.

  320. ”@ Muffy I absolutely agree the disease warrants an aggressive fight. My problem is that I personally find zero difference in the virulence of either Variant D or Variant R. The failure of our democracy is pandemic.”

    Fair enough. Which is why Im not tripping too hard on the need for a noseplug to do the deed. The stink from 2008 hits me fresh every time I hear or see McCain heading for a microphone.
    I liked your suggestion a while back about voting so that neither H nor T won. Im down with that. I also entertained Hucks idea to cut Clinton off at the primary pass, but I remember it coming very late in the game for me and I was still a bit ambivalent about those types of hinky shenanigans at the time. (No longer the case).
    As it stands I decided last month to go for broke damn the torpedoes and nothing Ive learned since has persuaded me to rethink my choice. Even if others absolve themselves of the consequences of their choices, I dont. I will own Trump.
    If Johnson is supposed to cause me to change my mind he doesnt.

  321. I was worried that if I said “shot show” you’d assume it was reference to guns and need a safe space. I corrected it for you, my sensitive liberal friend.

    Much appreciated. I’m out on my deck right now. That’s my safe space.

  322. Huh?
    I said he lacks credibility.

    Ok, clearly talking past each other.

    You said case against Trump surprisingly weak.

    I asked what you thought that case was.

    You said he lacks credibility.

    I asked, if lacking credibility was a weak case against him, please tell me how he IS credible. If he truly lacks credibility, then that case is not weak at all. It’s dead on.

    Or are you saying lacking credibility is not important, hence that makes the case against him weak?

  323. I’m gonna need some MSNBC before football tonight.

    As I have tweeted (check my feed) MoJo has dropped to the level of Fox and Friends. Mika has completely lost her mind. Trump tweeted nasty stuff about her; she took it personally and is now having a daily on-air nervous breakdown.

  324. And that’s why we will not see eye to eye, R.

    I find what Hillary has done, and her party;s willingness to excuse it, un-fucking-believable and far different and worse than Nixon.

  325. Oh boy. I can’t wait to see Mika all lathered up over Trump. She’s such a thin-skinned dumb cunt she probably paid twice as much for the broken irony machine you and Huck got on sale.

  326. where are the #NeverHillary Democrat voices.

    This is also evident down ticket as Chuck Todd pointed out today. Bernie can’t even mobilize his people to defeat Debbie Whatsername Schultz in the FL primary.

    The saying used to be “Republicans fall in line.” Not this year.

  327. Well, if I needed to question if my Big Dog would kill a cat should it get in the backyard, he sufficiently answered that question last night by killing a huge possum in the backyard, leaving it for Daddy to find this afternoon.

    Possums stink when they are alive. This one probably was killed about 1:30AM last night when Big Boy cut loose out on my deck. You ought to get a good whiff of one with rigor. Probably about like Michelle Obama.

    Wouldn’t fit in a 13 gallon trash bag. The tail was stiff and sticking out. LOL. I had to double bag with a 39 gallon transparent lawn bag.

    Wait until my trashmen see this at the top of the bin. 😈

  328. Muffy I just fixed both your blockhead mistypes.

    Hint which should work for everyone. In WP, “>” (without the quotes) is a shorthand way to blockquote. See if it works for you.

  329. R, your non-alcoholic alternative makes me want to pour a bourbon. You know, as an alternative to your alternative.

    I guess that would make me a really bad AA sponsor. 😊

  330. I just lit a Partagas Series D

    Is that a fancy joint or a cigar?

    On “Blackish”, Anthony Anderson took a piss in his son’s friend’s father’s humidor mistaking it for a urinal. I didn’t know humidors resemble urinals.

  331. I find what Hillary has done, and her party;s willingness to excuse it, un-fucking-believable and far different and worse than Nixon.

    I was just a youngin back then but I do recall bipartisan outrage against Nixon.

    Don’t blame the Dems. We live in different times now where partisanship trumps morality (pardon the pun).

    I saw both Chris Christie and Jeff Flake on tv this morning. The former sold his soul to the devil, the latter still has his intact.

    In reference to the Marc Thiessen piece, Tulsi Gabbard from HI has been quiet since the convention. I wonder if she is #neverhillary?

  332. Rutherford we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m confident had Mitt won 2012 Clinton would’ve ridden out to graft pastures and nobody would’ve cared. Come 2016 the energy wouldn’t be there to drive the narrative.

  333. The former sold his soul to the devil, the latter still has his intact.<

    That’s debatable. I didn’t think you believed such things, or is that tongue in cheek?

  334. Isn’t there actually code for disposing of dead animals, other than small pets like fish and hamsters?

    There’s code for EVERYTHING, Rutherford. What you need is an instruction manual on life. Any instincts you were born with have been thoroughly exorcised.

    Of course you aren’t supposed to put dead animals (or dead batteries) in the dumpster.

    But, do as I say… 😉 😉

  335. Come 2016 the energy wouldn’t be there to drive the narrative.

    You don’t agree that the energy to drive the narrative has existed for over 25 years? She’s an exposé magnet.

  336. Pools, Flake is your junior Senator right? Do you hold him in higher regard than McCain? McCain’s anti-Trump stance is passive aggressive at best.

    My opponent, Representative Ann Kirkpatrick, is a good person. But if Hillary Clinton is elected president, Arizona will need a Senator who will act as a check — not a rubber stamp.

  337. I might try your alternative. I don’t drink, though I have at parties.

    Country living has advantages. A dead racoon or oposum used to be lunch for our dog. Since she died a few months ago, we burn the bodies.

    Russia has a long history of proving they are worthy to combat an inferority complex. During the time of Catherine the Great, they tried to make a splash in European society. Some laughed and said Catherine looked like a Christmas tree.

  338. “Is that a fancy joint or a cigar?”

    LOL.

    Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar.

    Humidors don’t usually resemble a urinal. But there are things called “jars” that are ceramic and are usually sold with very high quality cigars in them that are converted to humidors. They can be collectable and sometimes look like an urn or container you might keep dry goods in.

  339. Flake is just as his name implies. I am not impressed. Fortunately he hasn’t been given the opportunities to fuck up things big time like mccain has.

  340. I never could understand cigar smoking. My Italian grandfather enjoyed them. Like pipes, I never could quite grasp that pleasure. My dad smoked a pipe along with cigarettes. I like the smell of some of the tobaccos. Dad also liked an occasional scotch. I guess I never gave it enough time, as it always made me want to heave. Same with cigars and the pipe. But I’ve always liked pot. I gave cigarettes 25 years of my life and it was not ever as enjoyable as any bud I have smoked. But we all have our own preferences and are so far free to choose our own poison. Unfortunately other poisons are administered to us without consent.

  341. “DR, I just lit a Partagas Series D”

    I missed this comment. I actually burned one today, too. Man ‘O War Virtue that was in my humidor for 3 years. It was awesome.

    Partagas Series D…. Strong one!

  342. Tigre, they are so good when they age, aren’t they?

    I have 5 year old cheap cigars like 5 Vegas that taste like top shelf stoagies. The only thing that would give it away is the 1 out of 3 that burn at a bad angle.

    I do still love Connecticut wrappers. People say they don’t age well… And maybe it’s in my head, but I swear they get better too.

  343. My humidor stays at 68% humidity no matter what I do. For years. I don’t use those gel beads or add water or anything. I thought maybe the sensor thingy was broken, but it’s not.

  344. Yeah. Strange how they get better with age. One the top most memorable stogies I had was a Gurkha shaggy a buddy gave me. He had it in his humi for something like 12 years. It was a $3 cigar when he bought it. It was outstanding.

    The flagship of my humi is a handful of Montecristo 520s. I’ve smoked maybe three out of a box of 10. They are just incredible. Best smoke I’ve ever had. I tell myself I’m going to dip into them on my birthday and other landmark events from time to time, but I can’t bring myself to do it. They are so hard to come by and I’ve been sooooo patient. I know you can’t take ’em with ya, but I convince myself “next year will they’ll be better” and forego. Maybe some day I’ll hang with the Rabbit and bring one to blow his nuts clean off.

    I’ve never heard that about Connecticut shade. Not sure a wrapper would make that big of a difference really. Who knows. You know I love my cubans. I am usually going for a Nicaraguan when it comes to the legal smokes. Truth be known, the quality of cigars has improved so much there terrific sticks from pretty much everywhere. Connecticut shades can be damn pretty.

    68% a little high for aging. I think 65% closer to where you want to be. But if your humi hangs at 68% without much fluctuation or fuss that’s pretty good. My humi at home is like that. I think I paid like $50 for it about 20 years ago. It’s a real clunker but it’s like yours. So thoroughly seasoned it just hangs at like 68% no matter what.

    The humi I keep at my office is my baby. I paid a fraction of what it was worth and it still left my ass a little sore. It’s where I keep my best. Since they’re not at home, I have to plan. A way to protect me from myself. The box adds a lot more to the taste than you’d think over time.

    As you can see from the length of this comment, stogies are kind of a hobby for me. I usually have at least one a week. I know guys that smoke 3-4 per day. Personally, I think that’s kinda gross. But man, if I were sitting out in your backwoods oasis, I’d probably be smoking the shit out of ’em. A couple of those MI craft brews to accompany would be fucking nirvana.

  345. I see a play date between Tigre and Rabbit on the horizon.

    My lungs are obviously incompatible with smoking but damn I love the smell of a pipe. I’m not a fan of cigarette smell and I hate the smell of cigars.

    If my lungs could handle it, and it wasn’t carcinogenic, I’d enjoy a pipe nightly.

    The closest I come to a pipe is my nebulizer. 😟

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