2016 Solution: Two Party Amnesia

When you go to the grocery store you’ve got multiple brands of cookies from which to choose. You don’t just limit your choice to two when you see ten varieties up there. More to the point, if you have one bag of cookies from ten different brands on the shelf and two of those bags are already open, would you buy one of those two just because someone told you that you had to? We have multiple brands of presidential candidate available this year and yet most of us will limit ourselves to only two choices – the two open bags of contaminated cookies. What sense does that make? The notion that only one of the two major parties can win is the very definition of a self-fulfilling prophesy. This year, we have alternatives to suit just about every taste. So I suggest a mental exercise.

From now on, simply FORGET there is a Democrat and Republican party. I’m calling for self-induced amnesia. When you go into the voting booth in November, limit yourself to the four major alternatives, instead of the two contaminated front-runners. Let’s forget about Hillary and Donald and take a peek at the rest:

The Far Left

Jill Stein is the Green Party candidate. She is Bernie Sanders on steroids. She favors guaranteed housing and food for all (a wordy way of saying guaranteed minimum income). She wants migration to alternative fuels by 2030. She wants a committee to deal with the legacy of slavery. She wants a 50% cut in military spending. She calls her platform the “Power to the People Plan” and you almost get a 1960’s second-hand high just reading her positions. If you are a leftist, Jill is the one for you.

A Bit of Both

If you’re a fiscal hard-ass but socially liberal, the Libertarian party is offering up Gary Johnson. Gary wants to stay out of your doctor’s office and out of your bedroom. He wants to balance the budget (and it seems by any means necessary). To that end you can say goodbye to the Commerce Department  and the Department of Education. (Gary says “we need commerce, not a commerce department.”) He wants pot legal and more serious drugs handled though health services, not incarceration. Interestingly, he still wants the more serous drugs illegal so I’m unclear on what the “punishment” would be. You don’t want the gov snooping on your phone or restricting your Internet? Gary agrees with you. As a stylistic aside: when we look at photos, we either gravitate to the biggest object in the photo or we scan left to right. So it is odd that the campaign photo on Gary’s page has his running mate, Bill Weld on the left and Gary on the right. Gary is also shorter than Weld. The inevitable result is you either think Weld is Johnson (if you don’t know better) or you think Weld is running for President. In a recent Libertarian town hall, Johnson floated the idea of he and Weld sharing power almost equally. So maybe the picture is not a misstep after all?

The Right

Former CIA operative, Evan McMullin has launched an independent bid for the presidency rather late in the game. He will probably be on the ballot in only half of the country but that doesn’t mean he should be ignored. His web site is full of generalities and probably has the least specific ideas of any other candidate discussed in this piece. That may be due to the relative youth of his campaign. Speaking of youth, if elected he would be our youngest elected President at only 40 years of age. Although short on specifics, his platform features a strong military, moving government as close to local as possible, the free market ruling over jobs and health care, strong borders and active participation in world affairs. He is presenting himself as the acceptable alternative to Donald Trump and in fact, Trump’s disastrous campaign seems to be the impetus for McMullin’s entrance into the race – although independent, his mission seems to be to save the GOP from itself.

The Far Right

Are you sick and tired of God being left out of politics? Do you believe the Constitution divinely inspired? Then the Constitution Party has the man for you – Darrell Castle. I only became aware of Castle today as I was researching this piece. Like McMullin, Castle will probably not be on the ballot in every state. That said, in the spirit of choosing the goddam brand of cookie you want, I cannot ignore Mr. Castle. He frequently quotes scripture. He favors exiting the United Nations and abolishing the Federal Reserve. He advocates the citizenry choosing whichever currency they wish to trade in (including bitcoin). He wants to overturn Roe V Wade. He strongly opposes legislating from the bench and feels the Supreme Court has exceeded its constitutional bounds.

Of the four candidates profiled here, McMullin is the least controversial. But I greatly admire the other three for staking out specific and somewhat extreme policy positions. We don’t care about politics anymore because our choices are really small variations on the same theme. Why aren’t we voting for people who truly stand for something?

So I implore you. Take a two by four. Whack yourself in the head. When you have regained consciousness, hopefully you will forget about the Dem’s and Republicans and instead, opt for one of the other choices. We only have a choice folks if we exercise it.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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667 thoughts on “2016 Solution: Two Party Amnesia

  1. I wish something could magically happen that would cause the 2016 result to be something other than what it is likely to be. ((D) in Oval and Senate (R) House)
    I’d love to see Johnson/Weld take the Oval,the Dems the Senate and the House stay with Ryan & Co.
    It would be tragically Lebanese in appearance but is perhaps the best chance to get something done and to have the serious grown up conversations we need to have as a nation.

  2. While I’m not getting your Lebanese reference, I do agree that the configuration you suggest would be ideal.

    The first step is for the MOVEMENT to get Johnson on the debate stage. I’d also greatly enjoy a Kaine, Pence, Weld debate.

    After reviewing the various web sites, I’m most impressed with Johnson. Doesn’t come off as too fringe. Very common sense stuff and sufficient detail not to be platitudes. I was very disappointed with McMullin’s site but as I say in the piece, he pulled the trigger fast without having all his social media ducks in a row.

  3. Don’t be fooled. As Alf ie indicated, a few major multinationals are behind that variety you find on the shelves. Just because there are lots of types of cookies to choose from doesn’t mean that any of the ingredients are good or wholesome. Maybe avoid the cookie aisle all together?

    Like this cookie analogy, we might be looking in the wrong place for the right ingredients. Maybe it is time to do away with the figurehead and become more involved in the day to day ourselves. We do have the ability to communicate in realtime and the government along with cell providers are making sure we all have a digital signal and signature. It wouldn’t be hard to bypass the political performers and their ritualistic processes to make some virtual heads really roll.

    But then I am talking real transparency and personal responsibility, something most want from others and refuse to provide themselves.

    Iceland went a little rogue and it seems to have benefited them by taking back control.

  4. I agree, each candidate you mentioned has good points, but unless we do something like Poolman suggested Iceland has done, they are a waste of time.

    They cannot win.

  5. It does solve your problem of not getting your hands dirty but ultimately your proposition is to throw the race to Hillary. A less than compelling solution for those of us who are against everything she stands for.

    I would think it would be easier to make the case against Trump, but it doesn’t seem to be.

  6. Unfortunately the only thing that makes what Muffy and James say true is EVERYONE thinking like them. If everyone expanded their vision the inevitability of Trump or Clinton would not be a thing.

    I think Stein and Johnson will be on the ballot everywhere. McMullin will probably make it to 20 states at least. Even Castle may be on 20 state ballots. The only excuse to not vote for them is the belief no one else will. We are being led by the nose.

    This is a special year. We have two reprehensible major party candidates. If there were ever a year for us to abandon the assumed choices and go our own way, this is it.

    Never has it been so clear that we get what we deserve because we refuse to demand better.

    The logic is simple. If you believe Trump is a better choice than any of the four in this piece, then vote Trump. If you truly don’t, choose one of the four alternatives. And if enough vote their conscience (h/t to Ted Cruz) we will get a different result.

  7. I suppose if I personally hated a pol but loved her ideology and knew she didn’t need my vote, I too would try and convince as many people as possible to throw away their vote for the other guy. It’s a win-win for you. 😉

    Youve been provided with some clear and compelling rationale for why some of us will vote for Trump in Nov. You’ve not countered with the same for not voting for him.

    Clearly you think no one should vote for Trump. So why shouldnt I vote for him?

  8. @ Rutherford I don’t want people to read too far into my Lebanon comment. Essentially since I now and forever more will hate the two party system and since I think Americans beyond meaningful compromise I think we may as well convert to a multi party system that serves our tribal desires and immovable views.

  9. Trump doesn’t have a plan of how to actually lead.
    He has some excellent talking points but has absolutely no credible back up of those points.
    Many of his ideas are all or nothing kind of things and that is unfortunately not how the world works.
    The two major candidates are entirely unworthy of our votes. The down ticket mayhem is also worrisome. We’re screwed.

  10. That “everyone” will adopt alternatives to our two major political choices is a dream. It won’t happen. A multi party system has its pitfalls too. Political instability is more likely when coillitions fail.

    Hillary is a known criminal and her husband a sexual pervert who have escaped their deserved punishment because our changing system of societal ethics and principles makes them more worthy than the unchosen are.

    A Democratic victory will further institutionalise the devolution of our country into something foreign. Trump is a self promoter who has adopted values he once rejected. I agree with Alfie that Trump is deficient. His advisors will determine our future.

    However, no one knows what would happen. Yes, we are screwed, but I refuse to help Hillary get what she doesn’t deserve.

    I’m voting for Trump.

  11. Trump has a record of failure, asshattery, and sexual misconduct. He has also contributed support big time to the clintons and democrats. Anyone who claims him an unknown entity is both wrong and naive. His antics are more widely known than anything barry soetoro did before 08. He also refuses to release his tax returns. ‘telling’

    “A spokesman for Donald Trump, the first major party nominee for president since Richard Nixon to refuse to release his tax returns, ridiculed Hillary Clinton’s latest tax disclosure Friday.”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-08122016-htmlstory.html

    He has accumulated a great deal of debt up to the present. His net worth is questionable and his word has never been honest enough to trust. Granted, most people have no clue what it takes to be involved in real estate in ny or atlantic city. Suffice it to say the kosher mob has had that sewn up for near a century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-American_organized_crime

    He exemplifies all that is wrong with our culture. This is really all a thinking person should need to know: Sheldon Adelson endorses Donald Trump for president.

  12. Stein is national suicide.
    Johnson is not a Libertarian but in name only. An admitted drug user. His VP believes Rifles are WMDs and that handguns are worse than AR-15’s. He is pro abortion, wants to open the southern borders more, and said he would appoint Liberal judges to the SCOTUS.

    No 3rd party has a path to victory. So to vote 3rd party is to vote on principle. I would submit that this too is not a viable option. I get the principled vote. I am pained to support Trump. We are playing with fire here. If through these principles we see a Hillary Presidency and a Progressive majority SCOTUS, the price our children and their children will pay to me will not be worth the peace of mind I think I would get from a principled vote. The loss of my principles having a voice in our government is too high a price to pay. I would also submit that I am making a vote based on principles as well. I am doing it long term while refusing to vote against Hillary (in an effective way) doing it for short term reasons. I will not win the battle knowing that I am losing the war.

  13. Trump is still an unknown, Poolman. He has an awful record, but we don’t yet know who will advise him. We have no idea, only theories on how he would behave as a president, because he has no political record.

    Every president creates policies which kill or dislocate people. So it would be unfair to issue a blanket condemnation of every presidential action.

    However, Obama and the Democrats have a record of wilful incompetance and lies to hide their tracks.

    Hillary persuaded Obama to implement part of his Middle Eastern policy which helped create ISIS. Hillary helped cause the deaths and injuries of Americans at Benghazi, and then, she lied about it.

    Democrats, including Hillary supported letting our soldiers and Iraqis die to win an election. Look up Slow Bleed.

    Trump to my knowledge has not done anything resulting in the deaths of thousands of people. Hillary has.

    Noah as we discussed in the last thread, principles and honor are a wonderful glue which holds our society together. I respect you for retaining principles even now.

    However, ethics are situational. They change with time. Our traditional system of ethics dictate that Hillary at least be charged, but our new world accepts different rules for different people.

    I live by ethics and principles, but I learned a long time that principles be damned in emergencies.

    The DOT decided to tear down an important bridge to save money. In the short time it was closed, it created a serious hardship for our community.

    In the end, the state agreed to build a new bridge, but we faced one obstacle. A woman who lived next to the bridge approach refused to sell the extra twenty feet needed to build the bridge. The deal was doomed after two years of agitation and work.

    A friend and I put our principles in a lock box and fire bombed 200 feet of her driveway. She got the message, and agreed to sell the land.

    The county was angry with us because we had been vocal on television. They tried to take seven acres of our land to create a detour around the bridge.

    I told the County Engineer while my wife called our lawyer that I had seen violence in the service and if they tried to block our access, someone would die. It would probably be me, and it would happen publicaly to create enough outrage to threaten some jobs and the county government. I spoke as calmly as if I had told him I had just shoveled my side walk. He believed me. We got the bridge and kept our land.

    Principles didn’t help us get our bridge, and they won’t win this election. Principles don’t dictate my vote for Trump. Vengance does. Justice and self preservation are two principles which endure. The US may burn to the ground with Trump, but the Clintons will be punished.

    Let the fire start.

  14. “An admitted drug user” – noduh

    In other words, honest. Drugs is a word that has been demonized by your ideology. Drug companies that tell you what is best for you 24/7/365 and somehow they are okie dokie with their addictive synthetic profit generating non cures, yet you demonize a Creator made plant known and used throughout millennia to heal, medicate, and serve humanities health needs, even as written into the very doctrinal basics of your religion. Do the words, “In the beginning…” ring a bell? The neverending ‘drug war’ is a good example of what your ideology can deliver.

    “Let the fire start.” – James

    “We didn’t start the fire. It was always burning since the world was turning.” – Billy Joel. My non vote for a wing of this beast is principled on this: I won’t make a deal with any devil. The evil team has its many faces and I see beyond them.

    Fire is a great cleanser, however. Many good things are refined by fire. I have striven to make all my treasure fireproof. I see some places where a good spark could ignite some obvious chaff and do good.

    Send forth that fire. Purge those demons out.

  15. Read my statement again James, we are in agreement on Trump. In pointing out principles as a reason not to vote for Trump, I think I made the case that we are actually sacrificing our principles long term because Hillary will see to it in her first term that our principles no longer have a voice in our government.

    “However, ethics are situational. They change with time. Our traditional system of ethics dictate that Hillary at least be charged, but our new world accepts different rules for different people.”

    I disagree here and to make my case I would point to the 10 commandments that I believe 2000+ years later still hold true. Situational ethics is why we are where we are as a nation.

  16. “My candle burns at both ends It shall not last the night. But oh my enemies and my friends, it casts a lovely light.”

  17. My four years in the service educated me.

    “Thou shall not kill.” It is only one commandment one breaks to stay alive in some situations. The same applies to others too.

    When your enemies live by situational ethics, your principles place you at a disadvantage and can let them win.

    Firebombing the driveway was wrong on too many levels to count, but it ultimately gave us our bridge.

    I agree situational ethics have put us in this fix, but I can’t repair the damage, and I “didn’t start the fire.”

  18. “Thou shall not kill.” It is only one commandment one breaks to stay alive in some situations. The same applies to others too.”

    “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.”

  19. @ James never bring a knife to a gun fight. If you’re willing to get into the kinds of fights that “require” you to alter your principles and/or ethics you’re all ready more than halfway there. Ya know what I mean?

  20. I suppose if I personally hated a pol but loved her ideology and knew she didn’t need my vote, I too would try and convince as many people as possible to throw away their vote for the other guy. It’s a win-win for you. 😉

    Ok I’m gonna try to keep this civil because I really resent the insinuation I’ve got some ulterior motive for writing this post.

    Not since H. Ross Perot has the country been so ripe to depart from the two parties. You’re acting like there is some law that precludes Gary Johnson from being president. If he gets enough votes, he wins the election. Period. You and everyone too cynical to vote for him guarantee his defeat.

    It is not the “system’s” fault that we will get Trump or Hillary. It’s the voters fault. It’s YOUR fault.

    Now since you think Trump really wants to do the job, I have to assume you think he’d make a great president too. So be my guest. Vote for your favorite: Donald Trump.

  21. The military indoctrination that is required to make soldiers loyal to the state is in direct conflict with the character development of what a follower of Jesus Christ represents. America becomes the godhead and its followers saints. It is better to have loved and lost becomes it is better to win at all costs.

    “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.”

    I think a little self examination is in order…

  22. From Gangs of New York “The appearance of the law (morality) must be upheld, especially when it is being broken.”

  23. A friend and I put our principles in a lock box and fire bombed 200 feet of her driveway. She got the message, and agreed to sell the land.

    I’m very disappointed to read this James. No excuse for criminal behavior. What’s done is done but it saddens me you show no regret.

  24. Traditions of men should never supersede natural law or the law of love. We should never give in to compromise or judge by mere appearances. Many wolves wear a sheep’s clothing. The fallen one is the great deceiver and appears as light, since he was created light bearer. He is also known as the father of lies. Many politicians speak his native tongue. Brood of vipers. Spreading yeast of the pharisees.

    Parable of the weeds in Matthew 13: “An enemy did this.” Serpent seed.

    I think this past decade has revealed much about the false paradigm most believe real. We keep doing the same things, while supporting the same people and policies, yet expect better results. Every time.

    Time to get off that yellow brick road and practice random acts of bushwackery.

    I think I will write in Vermin Supreme, if I choose to participate in the national. I am somewhat partial to clowns and comedians.

    “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.”

    “But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.”

  25. When your enemies live by situational ethics, your principles place you at a disadvantage and can let them win.

    There are those who would rather lose with their principles than win at any cost.

  26. Noah, Johnson is for fiscal conservatives. I fully understand why you don’t like him.

    McMullin may also be too moderate for you. I think he has said he won’t try to undo Roe. So, sadly your best choice is probably Trump, assuming Trumps advisors are socially conservative. Trump himself is not. Married three times and an utterly phony Christian. He makes fake Christian Obama look like Billy Graham.

    I think we’ve reached a tipping point in the conversation. Those here who will vote for Trump are really voting for the advisors they conjecture will control him.

    Many in 2008 projected their own hopes and dreams on this relative unknown Obama. He was the blank canvas upon which folks painted their heavenly and nightmare scenarios.

    Now we have gone a step further. Trumps future advisors are a blank canvas (because we don’t even know who the fuck they are) and all of you are painting a heavenly scenario on them.

    Makes great sense. 🙄

  27. Until millions of people like Rutherford understand that the corruption runs from Obama through out the entire Democratic Party, to the television shows he religiously watches…. We are screwed. And we are not even close.

    A corrupt, criminal machine will continue to rule America. Compare that to one bafoon… You got to vote bafoon.

    Come on Rutherford… Truely have a break up with your entire pantheon of petty gods. End it!

  28. @R – not able to come up with anything on why I shouldn’t vote for Trump? I can’t say I’m surprised but, nothing at all?

    Re: civility, ulterior motives, etc. – relax. I certainly don’t think you’re doing it with your eyes open.😉

    Rutherford, I’m poking you. And not just for fun. You’re making a lot of judgmental calls on people along with a breathless series of assumptions bordering on accusation one after another.

    “It is not the “system’s” fault that we will get Trump or Hillary. It’s the voters fault. It’s YOUR fault.”

    Is it your fault too?

    For do not doubt that one of those two will be president.

    I’ll own the the consequences of a Trump presidency and am prepared to do everything in my power to help defeat Hillary. I can respect whatever decision you come to as long as you come to it with an adult understanding that there are always consequences to choices and you accept the consequences for yours. If that means you think Hillary would be a better president than Trump, fine. We see things differently.

    But don’t think think or go on thinking that I’m going to be held responsible for the disastrous consequences of a Trump presidency and let you escape accountability for a President Hillary Clinton.

    And don’t think that you’re absolved of the responsibilities of the Obama presidency. Because all the gyrations and blithering bumpkinisms about principles and morals don’t amount to anything. We’re all morally responsible for the choices we make whether we hold ourselves to it or not.

  29. @Alfie – thanks for that. And thanks for answering my question. I’m always interested in your insights and your opinions. I also agree with every word you wrote August 13, 2016 at 8:07 am.

  30. “A friend and I put our principles in a lock box and fire bombed 200 feet of her driveway. She got the message, and agreed to sell the land.”

    If nobody else is going to say it, I will.

    This is terrorism, pure and simple.

  31. Johnson’s half-baked remarks about religious freedom rival any dopey utterances emanating from Trump.

    See what I did there?

  32. See what I did there?

    No I don’t see it. First I would need an example of Johnson’s half-baked remarks. I am assuming you’re referring to his defense of religious freedom up to but NOT including religion used as an excuse to discriminate.

    As for Trump, he compares, albeit favorably, The Art of the Deal to the Bible and you don’t find that beyond dopey?

    You asked me twice and I didn’t answer: wasn’t ignoring it though. Why you shouldn’t vote for Trump. For me this metaphor is powerful:

    He is failing in the “job application” process. His resume is littered with business failures. His political positions have shifted wildly including glowing praise for the woman he now opposes. His public behavior is erratic. Basically you must ask yourself is this man perfectly suited for celebrity and entertainment equally suited to run the most powerful nation known to man? If your answer is yes, then as Alfie said, may the force be with you. (Or was that Yoda?)

  33. “A corrupt, criminal machine will continue to rule America. Compare that to one bafoon… You got to vote bafoon.”

    The social cleansing under madame president will be brutal.

  34. “Basically you must ask yourself is this man perfectly suited for celebrity and entertainment equally suited to run the most powerful nation known to man?”

    My answer is No. And I already voted for him once and will vote again in November.

    Worst case scenario, 4 years later we all agree to weaken the executive and we keep an evil corrupt crime family out of power.

  35. “The social cleansing under madame president will be brutal.”

    Yeah…..the free fall is beginning. Sadly, the tree of liberty will need to be watered within a generation or we just accept the yoke. One or the other.

    She will leave the corrupt machine 100% entact when she is done too…. The damage they will do… Man!

    Her unpopularity will cause her to lash out and divide the entire time too.

  36. Institutionalized Corruption. That’s what we will get. And, living in the Detroit area….crap is that hard to shed.

    Vote Trump.

  37. I also agree with every word you wrote August 13, 2016 at 8:07 am.

    I checked Alfie’s comment at the time stamp. Muffy if you agreed with every word you’d sonner stay home than vote for Trump.

  38. The battle to vote for a good POTUS already ended. Now we are voting on the leftovers, Hillary or Trump. I am not voting FOR Trump, I am voting against the unacceptable, Hillary. Trump, while not in my top 5 list, is not without some good points. Trump will hyper focus on the US and our needs.

    AS far as Johnson being a fiscal Conservative…not so much.

    When Johnson took the tiller in New Mexico in 1995, the budget stood at $4.397 billion. When he left in 2003, it had grown to $7.721 billion, an increase of 7.29 percent a year. Of the eleven governors who filed to run for president this year (two Democrats, Johnson, and eight Republicans), only one had a worse record on spending growth. Susana Martinez, has shown what a fiscal conservative looks like: New Mexico currently spends less than it did when she took office.

    Johnson also claims to have balanced the budget every year, but what he means by this is that he complied with the New Mexico constitution, which as a practical matter prohibits operational spending deficits. New Mexico’s debt is required to be off the books, or at least off those books, in a separate “capital outlay” budget. This means that of course his operating budgets were balanced; New Mexico makes the alternative impossible. The capital outlays are considered “balanced” if it is believed that they can likely be paid for in the future, and rosy assumptions are permitted. It’s as if you or I claimed to be debt-free because our current account, which does not allow for overdrafts, had no overdrafts, despite our taking out ever more maxed-out credit cards and making minimum payments on each. In the sense that Johnson says he balanced the budgets, every president and Congress in history has passed balanced federal budgets 100 percent of the time. In fact, Johnson inherited a debt of $1.8 billion and left a debt of $4.6 billion, a rate of increase unmatched by the 22 governors in either party who have filed for presidential primaries in the past two decades, with the exception of Governor Tom Vilsack (D., Iowa) in 2007. During every year that Johnson, as he says, balanced the budget, he added to the debt.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435704/gary-johnson-libertarian-party-2016-conservatives

  39. http://www.independentsentinel.com/yikes-libertarian-gary-johnson-would-pick-leftist-supreme-court-justices/

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/08/libertarian-vp-nominee-calls-rifles-weapons-of-mass-destruction

    The Johnson ticket believes:
    *That Hillary is not a criminal.
    *That we should open our southern border more
    *Would do nothing to change abortion laws
    *That we should make massive cuts to our defense
    *He’s for legalizing, regulating and taxing pot. Heroin and methadone would be available with prescriptions.
    *That global warming is real

    He is a Progressive Democrat calling himself a Libertarian.

  40. “No I don’t see it.”

    Oh just the half-baked and dopey references to his relaxed brain. 🙂 I’ll see if I can find the comments and put them up later.

    “As for Trump, he compares, albeit favorably, The Art of the Deal to the Bible and you don’t find that beyond dopey?”

    😆 Indeed it sounds dopey although I’m not quite sure his meaning in comparing the two. If by beyond dopey you mean offensive, then for sure I’d need to look at the crime scene.

    A quick look later – are you talking about this – ?

    “I even brought my Bible — the evangelicals, ok? We love the evangelicals and we’re polling so well. This Bible was given to me by my mother, going to Sunday school. … So, we love the Bible. It’s the best. We love ‘The Art of the Deal,’ but the Bible is far, far superior, yes.”

    If so then it’s dopey. Not beyond or very noteworthy at all. Not offensive.

    Thanks for answering me on your case against Trump. I’m pretty sure I know what I think after reading your remarks but I’ll let them marinate for a bit.

    “Muffy if you agreed with every word you’d sonner stay home than vote for Trump.”

    No sir. Not necessarily.

  41. For 2016 I went from voting to not voting to voting for Johnson/Weld.
    I can do so with a clear conscience.
    It sends a message.
    The Libertarian lite formula is fine with me .Libertarian does not mean social anarchist with everyone doing their own thang.
    The Second Amendment will live very well. As for those who find Welds comments on the surface to be such a big deal I invite them to the reality of context.
    If you are remotely interested in de-militarizing the police you should see the virtue of de-militarizing the civilians as well. Nobody needs a 100 rounds of ammunition in one sitting and that comes from a guy who subscribes to the 2nd being important for when the ballot box fails the bullet may be necessary. However its time for Americans to stop fortifying their weak penises with personal arsenals.
    Dialing back interventionist policy is the right thing to do. In fact the USA needs to rethink its long held military policies. Clintons “smart diplomacy” is bullshit. Trumps case by case non specifics fuck allies thing is also garbage.
    Do I think Johnson can win? Absolutely not but just like 2012 Americans will get the government they deserve.

    All that said though I still understand why others vote the way they do. I only beg those folks to be vigilant down ticket. For example if you really don’t like HRC & live in IL you better have a fraking Kirk sign on your lawn. Duckie is not what you want!

  42. “Nobody needs a 100 rounds of ammunition in one sitting and that comes from a guy who subscribes to the 2nd being important for when the ballot box fails the bullet may be necessary. However its time for Americans to stop fortifying their weak penises with personal arsenals.”

    …the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

  43. 100 rounds? Wtf. That’s not shit.

    Go to the range with your buddies one time and it’s gone. That’s insanity.

    Pro 2nd Amendment my Baltic ass.

  44. Hell…. Me and my brother ran through more than 60 rounds of 38 special p in an uncomfortable snub nose last weekend alone just shooting cans! A snub nose!

    100 rounds through a rifle is nothing. Nothing!

    What an utter insane bunch of bull shit.

  45. @ dead rabbit when I say 100 I mean like a drum on a rifle not taking a crate to the range.
    Alfie is all for the 2nd Amendment if nobody is proficient with guns.
    That’s a pretty stupid comment. I favor people being proficient with firearms and that includes respecting them.

  46. My comment isnt dumb at all. Restricting ammo to 100 rounds would have an effect on proficiency.

    As for drums, does any one actually trust those things? Jam city.

  47. “Nobody needs a 100 rounds of ammunition in one sitting and that comes from a guy who subscribes to the 2nd being important for when the ballot box fails the bullet may be necessary. However its time for Americans to stop fortifying their weak penises with personal arsenals.”

    I think the onus is on you to articulate yourself a little better if restricting liberty is your game.

  48. Yes, Huck, it was terrorism. The woman was frightened, and she sold her twenty feet of land. We terrorized her without a doubt. No property was hurt, but the explosion put on a good show.

    I would do it again because without that sale we would not have gotten the bridge we needed. The DOT thought they could push a few country bumpkins around. They learned differently.

  49. I like what Muffy wrote.

    I understand the mental gyrations you made to cope with the consequences of your votes and any material help you gave to the liberals.

    I understand your admitting you misjudged Obama and the others because they did not turn out as you had expected. You didn’t have enough information.

    I don’t bear you any ill will, Rutherford for your decisions, but I blame you for the tiny role you played in damaging your country.

    You could have known what I and others did, but your bias wouldn’t let you investigate beyond your usual news sources.

    I think Trump will be a disaster but not in the pernicious form Hillary will bring. I will be able to legitimately criticize future events. Anyone who directly or indirectly helps Hillary has little moral authority to complain about the results.

  50. If I’m not understanding you, my apologies. But are you calling for legislation restricting ammo/magazines?

    Or are you just speaking in generalities that people who own lots of ammo are over compensating due to insecurities.

    I assure you owning more than 100 rounds isn’t in the fetish zone. I also assure you outlawing shitty drums that jam all the time won’t make anyone safer.

  51. Trump will hyper focus on the US and our needs.

    Have you been paying attention? Trump can’t “focus” on his own goddam campaign. That’s gonna change magically on 1/20/2017? What are you smoking?

  52. Rutherford, I have learned that losing with principles intact is less beneficial than winning at most cost.

    I stop short of murder, and other violence. Voting for Trump is legal and hurts no one, except maybe Hillary. I expect Hillary will win baring a surprise, but I will be able to look at myself in the mirror when it is over.

  53. “Have you been paying attention? Trump can’t “focus” on his own goddam campaign. That’s gonna change magically on 1/20/2017? What are you smoking?”

    Rutherford, we get it already. The guy is hot fucking mess.

    The other option is institutionalized corruption.

    I’ll vote for normal Dem 4 years later if he has to be removed.

    I’ll lambast the guy non stop while President.

    But damn….the permanent damage of an organized crime family…. You got to vote Trump.

  54. I don’t think Hillary is Hitler either, but social cleansing is already with us. It is not all Hillary’s fault. Blame the progressives.

    Did you know that yesterday a woman won a medal as she has in the last six Olympics. She has maintained the longest string of medals in the history of our participation in the contest. Her being a skeet shooter makes her invisible.

    Our first gold metal went to a shooter, but I doubt we would have heard as much as we did if she had not been the first.

    Maybe I missed the feature on the Olympics show , but I doubt it. I wouldn’t have known without reading a blog. Competitive shooters don’t get endorsements as other athletes do. NBC has spoken more about the Estonian marathon triplets than about the shooters.

  55. Have you been paying attention? Trump can’t “focus” on his own goddam campaign. That’s gonna change magically on 1/20/2017? What are you smoking?
    Rutherford , August 13, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    I’ve watched every video available on Trump over the past 28 years. I listened to his entire testimony in front of Congress on economics. In layman I formed an opinion based on research rather than whatever I could pull out of my ass or from MSNBC, same difference. Trump will focus on the US, Hillary will cleanse us. She has vowed to bring more than 1 million Syrians in her first term most of which will not be Christians.

  56. I’ve watched every video available on Trump over the past 28 years.

    I admire a well informed person as much as the next guy, but seriously do you have a job? Where do you find the time?

    If you’ve watched every video from the last 28 years then you know Trump is a Democrat. 😀😀

  57. “If you’ve watched every video from the last 28 years then you know Trump is a Democrat. 😀😀”

    A lot of people cannot grasp the notion that someone can be fiscally Republican and socially Liberal.

    I will post a few of these a day until you say enough.

  58. I don’t care if Trump could be a Democrat. He is not a Progressive Democrat.

    This song describes the dangerous attitude progressives and the Clintons are inflicting on the country. They are untouchable and better than the rest of us. Prove me wrong.

  59. Man…. I don’t know what I would do if my car was being attacked by Black Power racists with my family in it.

    They were attempting to pull people out of cars because of white skin in Milwaukee.

    Sadly, I think the only option would be to kill everybody attacking the car and probably get life in prison. You can’t risk the mob of blacks killing your family, can you?

    You can be sure justice won’t be served for any white defending himself against a mob at the federal level, if for some reason your trial went that route. And the corruption infested local level, where racist blacks either rule or get their ass kissed ala Baltimore? … good luck.

    This race stuff is heading for a disaster. Anyone living next to black neighborhoods better watch their back.

  60. Interesting source poolman, think I will opt not to click on it. If you watch the videos you will find they are not a detailed history of Trump but rather an insight into who the guy is. When I say I watched every available video I could find, I was referencing those where he was speaking, not every Dick, Tom, and Harry’s opinion on Trump.

  61. 728 votes represent the difference that seated Khalif Rainey onto Milwaukee’s City Council. The guy should be impeached and arrested for inciting violence.

  62. DR I agree 110%. In that situation, killing them is the only viable choice. You have a legitimate reason to fear for your life and it would be ruled justifiable and a community service.

    Interestingly enough, living next to #10 in the worst towns to live in in Michigan, we have not had any BLM events nor these kind of riots, just the run of the mill robberies and black on black killings. More interesting is that the grand parent generation, those in their 40’s+ but more in the great grand parent generation, are really starting to step up with the Churches to lay in to the younger generation and to talk with white people to let them know they are not buying into this bullshit. While I would estimate that this less than a 1/4 of this segment of the population speaking out, it does give one hope.

  63. @ dead rabbit
    I’m not calling for legislation but I’d love to see a lot more common sense. I personally think firearm ownership is a very personal decision that should never be taken lightly. Its been my experience that most people do put in a lot of time deciding whether to own a firearm and then which one is the right fit. They take the whole deal very serious.I’ve also had friends and acquaintances throughout my life who have owed a number of firearms. In many cases,if not most, there were sound reasons to have the number they had. Serious hunters who owned a scoped rifle for deer,a quality shotgun for fowl,a rifle for just shooting (almost always of the AR style) and a pair of handguns for personal protection. Here five firearms with ammunition potential at anytime upwards of 300-500 rounds. These folks don’t phase me in the least.
    Sadly there are those folks with as many and sometimes double the amount of firearms. They don’t hunt or shoot skeet and their choices in firearms,magazines and ammunition don’t represent any reasonable or practical purpose. These folks bother me.
    I hope that helps to fill in any blanks (pardon the pun) I’ve offered earlier.

  64. “I hope that helps to fill in any blanks (pardon the pun) I’ve offered earlier”

    Well, I appreciate you giving it a shot. It’s my aim to show you how you are misfiring when it comes to your thinking. Sorry for giving you so much flak over this, though.

    The gun fetish types are the cost of freedom.

    I’ve been disturbed a bit by them myself and have brought it up here before: The “zombie killer” rounds that look like they come in a Halloween candy box, for example; The toy looking guns.

    At the end of the day, this is a situation where you can’t have it both ways.

    Throwing out ad hoc numbers like a 100 rounds, with ambiguous explanation…..Let it be known….. This exactly why I think the NRA is needed.

  65. Noah…I agree. Michigan has been relatively stable when it comes to race relations considering all the shit conjured up by Obama and MSNBC.

    Part of the reason maybe our extreme segregation due to already going through this crap for so many decades.

    God I hope it stays that way. Nobody does a race war quite like Michigan.

  66. In a follow up kind of way, should barrel mags be permitted? Obviously capitalism dictates they exist and one would assume that works because people want them. But really why? I can’t help but think the folks wanting them are exactly the kind of people you don’t want to have them.

  67. Dead rabbit, if protesters attacked our car with the family inside or if I was alone, I would drive back and forth and escape through the remaining crowd. I wouldn’t intentionally hurt anyone but I wouldn’t be afraid to drive over as many as it took to escape.

    I usually carry a video camera, and I turned it on as soon as I woke up from being hit by the train and during part of the rescue unit trip to the hospital.
    I would run my camera through the entire attack.

  68. I tend to agree with Alfie.

    I used to but I don’t hunt now. Rifles and shot guns killed the game we used. It helped to be a good shot. I wonder just what some of those people are hunting.

    A Sami-Finish sniper killed over 700 Soviets in a little over a month during the pre- WW11 Winter War. He used relatively primitive weaponry because it was so cold, and he put snow in his mouth to avoid detection. Soviets called him the white ghost and deployed an entire unit to kill him. His number of kills has not been matched in modern warfare. He was shot but lived into his nineties.

    He demonstrated what a good shot and stealth can do.

  69. I like to collect late 1800’s rifles. I like to collect anything to do with WWI and WWII. Knives, guns, uniforms. I enjoy history and conversations about history. I enjoy having these items to show to other people.

    I like to skeet shoot. I hunt Rabbits and Deer. I also enjoy attempting the 1000 yrd plus range (1 hit thus far in 3 years) Guns are a tool. Guns are for recreation. Guns are for personal defense. For those who enjoy shooting them, there are a lot of guns that are fun to shoot for different reasons. If your friends are such that you find yourself getting together to go shooting several times a month, having a variety of guns keeps things refreshing and new. We each try out each others guns to get a feel for what we like and dont like. I am far better with certain types of handguns and long guns than I am others. New innovations and design types also improve the game so people get the latest and best when they come out. There are all kinds of reasons people end up with large collections that have nothing to do with being a gun nut or being mentally unstable.

  70. You can be sure justice won’t be served for any white defending himself against a mob at the federal level,

    Rabbit I disagree 100%. I agree that in one on one confrontations, the black guy will likely get the benefit of the doubt at the fed level.

    But a mob of any color is a mob and no one lacks empathy for a person attacked by a mob, not at the local or fed level.

  71. A lot of people cannot grasp the notion that someone can be fiscally Republican and socially Liberal. – Noah

    Ehhh if I’m not mistaken that’s called a Libertarian. My thanks to Alfie for refuting your claim that Johnson was not fiscally conservative. I bought your evidence hook line and sinker so it was good to see an opposing view.

    Are you making the claim that Donald is a Libertarian?

    I’ll tell you what Donald is. Donald by his own admission is an apolitical opportunist. He is transactional. He’ll deal with ANYONE who will get him what he wants. And that may actually be an asset in a POTUS. But please don’t confuse that MO with any consistent political outlook.

    Donald is the civilian business man who told Howard Stern, off the top of his head, Iraq war good. Now he tells us, off the top of his head, Iraq war bad.

    Noah just say you’re voting against Hillary and drop the defense of Trump. In fact that’s my advice to everyone here.

  72. “But a mob of any color is a mob and no one lacks empathy for a person attacked by a mob, not at the local or fed level.”

    Tell that to the Trump supporters who were chased down like animals and violently attacked while local law enforcement stood and watched. Has Loretta Lynch investigated this?

  73. “But a mob of any color is a mob and no one lacks empathy for a person attacked by a mob, not at the local or fed level.”

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    Your despicable propaganda con artists in the media will make excuses all day for riots. I’ve seen it time and time again.

    And, you won’t be charged with killing a mob.

    It will be 15 year old Tyron and 19 year old Jamaal.

    Might you get off? Maybe. But the local prosecutor will be feeling the heat of 16 potential riots. Either that or one more white shmuck. Charges.

  74. I don’t recall an event matching your description. I do remember a female Trump supporter pinned against an entrance to a building and being hit with objects by the crowd. And yes, I was dumbfounded why police did not intervene.

    FWIW that was not a racial incident but I get your point.

  75. “But a mob of any color is a mob and no one lacks empathy for a person attacked by a mob, not at the local or fed level.”

    They stood at polling stations with fucking arm bands and bully clubs. No charges.

    Obama is for his perverse notion of soical justice. Not individual justice. Not my president when it comes to race relations. He’s a two bit punk community organizer/ rabble rouser who doesn’t give a flying fuck about the well being of my peckerwoood family.

  76. Ok Rabbit, I was thinking more along the lines of an isolated attack of a mob against an individual, not mob violence associated with a riot.

    Violence associated with outrage and “protest” does tend to be rationalized at the fed level.

  77. “My thanks to Alfie for refuting your claim that Johnson was not fiscally conservative.”

    Really. Me thinks you need a refresher course on the English language. That or counseling for being a pathological liar. Nothing in what Alfie said addressed the Johnson ticket’s fiscal nature, it was a gun rant. Here is what I mentioned

    When Johnson took the tiller in New Mexico in 1995, the budget stood at $4.397 billion. When he left in 2003, it had grown to $7.721 billion, an increase of 7.29 percent a year. Of the eleven governors who filed to run for president this year (two Democrats, Johnson, and eight Republicans), only one had a worse record on spending growth.

    Johnson also claims to have balanced the budget every year, but what he means by this is that he complied with the New Mexico constitution, which as a practical matter prohibits operational spending deficits. New Mexico’s debt is required to be off the books, or at least off those books, in a separate “capital outlay” budget. This means that of course his operating budgets were balanced; New Mexico makes the alternative impossible. The capital outlays are considered “balanced” if it is believed that they can likely be paid for in the future, and rosy assumptions are permitted. It’s as if you or I claimed to be debt-free because our current account, which does not allow for overdrafts, had no overdrafts, despite our taking out ever more maxed-out credit cards and making minimum payments on each. In the sense that Johnson says he balanced the budgets, every president and Congress in history has passed balanced federal budgets 100 percent of the time. In fact, Johnson inherited a debt of $1.8 billion and left a debt of $4.6 billion, a rate of increase unmatched by the 22 governors in either party who have filed for presidential primaries in the past two decades, with the exception of Governor Tom Vilsack (D., Iowa) in 2007. During every year that Johnson, as he says, balanced the budget, he added to the debt.

    Here is Alfie’s rant. Pick out all of the things mentioned here that I addressed on Johnson’s fiscal record.

    “For 2016 I went from voting to not voting to voting for Johnson/Weld.
    I can do so with a clear conscience.
    It sends a message.
    The Libertarian lite formula is fine with me .Libertarian does not mean social anarchist with everyone doing their own thang.
    The Second Amendment will live very well. As for those who find Welds comments on the surface to be such a big deal I invite them to the reality of context.
    If you are remotely interested in de-militarizing the police you should see the virtue of de-militarizing the civilians as well. Nobody needs a 100 rounds of ammunition in one sitting and that comes from a guy who subscribes to the 2nd being important for when the ballot box fails the bullet may be necessary. However its time for Americans to stop fortifying their weak penises with personal arsenals.
    Dialing back interventionist policy is the right thing to do. In fact the USA needs to rethink its long held military policies. Clintons “smart diplomacy” is bullshit. Trumps case by case non specifics fuck allies thing is also garbage.
    Do I think Johnson can win? Absolutely not but just like 2012 Americans will get the government they deserve.

    All that said though I still understand why others vote the way they do. I only beg those folks to be vigilant down ticket. For example if you really don’t like HRC & live in IL you better have a fraking Kirk sign on your lawn. Duckie is not what you want!”

  78. There are all kinds of reasons people end up with large collections that have nothing to do with being a gun nut or being mentally unstable.
    Kind of thought I alluded to that.

  79. I think Rutherford is referring to the National Review article that defends Johnson. Also one is being intellectually dishonest if they give “F”s to Johnson and “A”s to Martinez without appreciating the influx of (R)s in the New Mexico Legislature. I aim that more at the other linked NR article than any thread resident.

  80. There are all kinds of reasons people end up with large collections that have nothing to do with being a gun nut or being mentally unstable.
    There are all kinds of reasons how mentally unstable gun nuts end up with large collections.

  81. A Trump supporter was shot coming out of a bar. Another hit with a crowbar. A 65 year old Trump supporter was beaten down by a late teen/20 something Bernie supporter. Those are just off the top of my head. All were for nothing more than wearing Trump gear and attacked by strangers.

    “Noah just say you’re voting against Hillary and drop the defense of Trump. In fact that’s my advice to everyone here.”

    The only thing I can guess at this point is that you read almost nothing of what I post or only a line or two then comment. I have said more than a dozen times I am not a Trump supporter. I have said twice in the last several days that I am voting against Hillary a lot more than I am voting for Trump. I have said to James that I am a reluctant Trump voter. I think what is at issue here is that it is in your DNA (literally) to only be truthful when it benefits you. You are not used to telling the truth about your enemy because you place no value on integrity. I defend anyone when the truth calls for it. There are a great many things that Trump is due to be criticized about. 80% of what the media presents is NOT part of that and THAT is all you allow yourself to see.

  82. There are all kinds of reasons people end up with large collections that have nothing to do with being a gun nut or being mentally unstable.
    There are all kinds of reasons how mentally unstable gun nuts end up with large collections.

    Yes and what does this have to do with the price of the pile of used condoms at your bedside? Nothing is all one way or the other. Your kind takes the 1% and uses it as a rational to inhibit the rights and freedoms of the 99%. So seriously, based off my original comment, what is your point?

  83. Asked earlier secondary sincere curiosity.
    I’ll bite. What do the Trump videos display?

    …Trumps positions on pertinent issues?

    “Also one is being intellectually dishonest if they give “F”s to Johnson and “A”s to Martinez without appreciating the influx of (R)s in the New Mexico Legislature.”

    I never gave Martinez a A. Never. I said Martinez had a far more Conservative outcome than did Johnson who grew his government and debt at nearly the fastest pace in the nation.

  84. When he left in 2003, it had grown to $7.721 billion, an increase of 7.29 percent a year. Of the eleven governors who filed to run for president this year (two Democrats, Johnson, and eight Republicans), only one had a worse record on spending growth.

    ^ Is this factual? Yes
    Is this Conservative? No

    Did Johnson really balance a budget? No.
    Is being pro abortion Conservative? No.
    Is believing Hillary is not a criminal based on her email server a Conservatively held belief? No
    Would Conservative pick Liberal SCOTUS judges? No

    For a Libertarian is Johnson even a good Libertarian No.

    Like Democrats, Johnson is in favor of legalizing only marijuana. Libertarians are in favor of all drugs being legal. Like Democrats, he is in favor of government-sponsored gay marriage. Libertarians oppose government involvement in marriage. Like Democrats, he believes that businesses must cater (literally-he believes Jews should have to bake Nazi cakes) to anyone and everyone. Libertarians believe in freedom of association and freedom of conscience/religion. Like Democrats, he supports funding for Planned Parenthood. Libertarians oppose government subsidization of private organizations. Like Democrats, Johnson is in favor significant gun control. Libertarians oppose restrictions on gun ownership.

    Johnson is the most Progressive Libertarian ever nominated.

  85. Fucking IRS sent me a letter saying I owe almost 3 grand from 2014. Fuuuuuck!

    My property taxes are due to. Another 3 grand.

  86. Like Democrats, he is in favor of government-sponsored gay marriage. Libertarians oppose government involvement in marriage.

    Before you utter more stupidity, please read the platform pieces I linked to in my original piece. I provided the links for a reason. So the reader could put aside my skew and read the original source.

    Go to Johnson’s page where he says government should not be in the marriage business.

  87. From Johnson’s page:

    Gary Johnson believes that people, not politicians, should make choices in their personal lives. Responsible adults should be free to marry whom they want, arm themselves if they want, and lead their personal lives as they see fit — as long as they aren’t harming anyone else in doing so.

  88. As you have failed to address any of my commentary Rutherford, I am going to presume based on past experience that you have no intention of doing so. That being the case I will not do any of the legwork you have requested until you show me you intend to perform in kind. ie, you go first. When the job is complete, I will fulfill my end as I always have.

  89. LOL I have no idea what you’re talking about Noah.

    Suffice it to say you called me either dumb or a pathological liar when you didn’t bother to read the article to which I referred.

    Sorry dude. Burdens on you to do homework before you start calling names.

  90. The only time I was audited was a year I used a CPA. Fucker was useless and the return looked like lines of computer code. I suweated like a death row perp and IRS geek was like ” ok thanks for coming in”. Crazy. Good luck rabbit.

  91. Noah I seem to recall some word salad from you claiming you weren’t supporting Trump yet you posted videos here … wait for it … defending Trump.

    So again, repeat after me:

    I, Noah James Hoffmeyer, would vote for a ham sandwich before voting for Hillary Clinton.

    That about captures your real position. 😀

  92. Tigre I was thinking the same thing and was surprised at Alfie’s benign description of his auditor.

    I’d crap my pants if I got audited. It’s not that I’m cheating. I’m not. But I’d always assume the auditor was gonna outsmart me somehow.

  93. “For 2016 I went from voting to not voting to voting for Johnson/Weld.
    I can do so with a clear conscience.
    It sends a message.”

    I get it. Your reply gave me pause. It also helped me understand something that had heretofore eluded me. I always understood Tex’s reasoning perfectly but until now you and Huck had me scratching my head with the relevance of life in a deep blue state.

    Anyway I always vote my conscience, and it’s rarely a breezy thing. And it shouldn’t be when the pickings are this slim. Frankly getting through ’08 was harder for me than this, but that could be because the past 8 years have sucked in ways I never knew our government could suck. As for the down ticket vigilance, I’ll be there.

    One good word for the candidate himself, I don’t mind that Trump brings out the worst in the nauseating media and deranged pols. No sirree.

    And as for the revolting POS’s who beat up on pale skinny kids – my vote is on their behalf too.

  94. Good luck, rabbit. I hope it turns out well.

    My experience with the IRS came when I was executor of my parents’ estates. We were fined for non- payment of my father’s estate tax, when we had paid it. Our lawyer and we faxed a copy of our check and we had several discussions, mostly on line.

    A rep told me her name, and I looked up her home phone number. I called her in the evening. She was furious at first because I had her home phone number. I applogized and told her our problem.

    She checked the next day and solved our dispute. Our tax information, including the check was on two separate desks, and one worker didn’t know about our tax dispute.

  95. “I am assuming you’re referring to his defense of religious freedom up to but NOT including religion used as an excuse to discriminate.”

    Why would I think that was dopey?

    “I mean under the guise of religious freedom, anybody can do anything. Back to Mormonism. Why shouldn’t somebody be able to shoot somebody else because their freedom of religion says that God has spoken to them and that they can shoot somebody dead.”

  96. with the relevance of life in a deep blue state.
    LOL I’m f@#$ing irrelevant every 2 years.
    Yeah I don’t know what to tell you. I really liked Weld. He did some stuff that made the Dems go out of their freaking minds yet he also developed a relationship with Senate Dictator Billy Bulger,Whitey’s brother btw that allowed for a mix of brinkmanship, compromise and good governance for the state. It was a relationship not unlike Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neil.
    Mitt Romney was to me a really decent person and had ideas and an outlook I found refreshing.
    I’ve been to other states but the closest to living somewhere was a few years in Colorado. I don’t know what life in a real red state would hold for me. I did come close back in 2007 when I was facing relocation to South Carolina.

  97. Johnson has what a polite person might call a far from Libertarian take on religious freedom law.
    I understand the superficial and somewhat knee jerk reaction to his position. He has in the past stood for businesses having the right to discriminate for whatever reason they want and that the public could in turn react in ways including going elsewhere or boycotts thus causing the business to go under.
    His more complete 2016 position is in a deeper way more libertarian in my opinion and he boldly confronts the “coded” chatter about Jewish bakers and Nazi cakes.

    I have even heard some talk of a “right to discriminate”. And of course, we have states and municipalities today trying to create a real right to discriminate against the LGBT community on religious grounds — the same kinds of “religious” grounds that were used to defend racial segregation, forbid interracial marriages and, yes, defend discrimination against Jews by businesses. That is not a slope Libertarians want to go down.

    I don’t see what would be very Libertarian about using BIG Government to pick and choose one or more set of classes over others. I don’t know how Johnson reconciles some of the points of his position but I think I understand where he’s coming from in a deeper manner. He indeed complicates things since his position on approving of same sex marriage is solid on NOT FORCING CLERGY TO CONDUCT THE SERVICE IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO!
    I think he prefers not allowing people to use government to harm others. That sentence structure is important as it captures the very basic Libertarian tenets that people should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn’t harm others and that government shouldn’t be allowed to harm the citizenry.

    Personally I think folks should be allowed to post what services they will provide. Not too many threads ago I posted a comment about a Christian woman who was a florist who had happily catered to a gay man for some time but wouldn’t provide service for his wedding. She offered contacts to competitors and although the gay guy initiated the spiteful litigation his only take away was the cost of transport to a competitor. That’s where his principles were. The ACLU on the other hand wants $1m from the florist. Her line was clear and it was one a consumer should respect.

  98. If the government forces me to bake a cake that I oppose in some way who is responsible for the “floor spice” and other added ingredients?

  99. LOL the great irony based on Muffy’s swooning, as much as she dislikes me now, Muffy would have been the nerdy girl in high school who was the only one who had a thing for the disabled smart kid.

  100. I always understood Tex’s reasoning perfectly but until now you and Huck had me scratching my head with the relevance of life in a deep blue state.

    Muffy are you suggesting the only ones who can vote their conscience are those whose vote won’t count based on state voting pattern? If that’s so, we both can vote our conscience since IL is going to Hillary anyway.

  101. Alfie I’m a bit confused. Are you saying Johnson’s take on religious freedom is truly libertarian but you DON’T endorse it or that it’s not libertarian in the first place?

  102. “If the government forces me to bake a cake that I oppose in some way who is responsible for the “floor spice” and other added ingredients?”

    Kind of like the asshole Warent Officer who screamed my last name and only my last name when it was time for a refill of his shitty Navy coffee every other hour.

    Lets just say an inspector with a fireman’s helmet surveyed the rim of the cup daily.

  103. I’ve read that Hillary’s daily wardrobe malfunctions are to hide the adult diapers she wears. The flattering pants suits apparently won’t do the trick.

  104. So. . . what was everyone talking about here? 😆

    Oh yeah. Rutherford’s reverse fantasy. Rather than pulling on the pigtails of the girl that sits in front of him, he’s got nerdy Muffy crushing on the disabled moron. . . er. . . smart kid.

  105. LOL I’m f@#$ing irrelevant every 2 years.

    Oh, it’s way more often than that. Sometimes multiple times per day. 😛 You really underestimate your irrelevancy or, better stated, you overestimate your relevance.

    I’m trying to recall what it is you do for real, as in a career field or job description? That might prove relevant. 🙂

  106. crushing on the disabled moron. . . er. . . smart kid.

    I assure you I was a smarter kid than adult. By my own admission, I’ve declined over the years. I’ll just blame it on my oxygen challenges. 😊

  107. @ Rutherford there are conflicting theories as to religious freedom. One camp believes that freedom of association is paramount and fortified by the freedom of religion clause of the Constitution. Another camp believes society can’t allow for religion to be both protected yet allowed to discriminate secondary to its rules.
    The former is the purist and the latter the realist with foresight and a history degree.

  108. If we throw a party, I don’t think I would let rabbit serve drinks or food. It’s probably good he never got into the food industry. I know enough of those dirty kitchen secrets after working in restaurants much of my late teen and early adult life. I could fill a few pages with incidents and maybe some would never eat out again. People really don’t think. It still makes me cringe when I see someone tell off a waiter or cook before they are served. I’m certain plenty have had similar helmeted inspections.

  109. @R – I didnt understand how living in blueys factored into A & H’s plans, and they mentioned it several times. But sending a message is an appealing use of what usually feels like a lonely somewhat wasted vote.

  110. Rutherford youre one of the most likeable people on the planet. For a liberal wanker.

    BTW, I intend to vote my conscience. I always do.

    Even when I vote for Trump.

  111. But sending a message is an appealing use of what usually feels like a lonely somewhat wasted vote.

    And while I think voting for Trump is on the one hand irresponsible, I also see it as the grandest fuck you imaginable. I was so angry after the DWS revelations that I toyed with a November Trump vote. It’s a much better fuck you than any of the 3rd party candidates.

  112. Yeah I heard the cop was black. So now, is it a race problem or a cop problem?

    Funny thing is, mofo was armed and would not drop weapon when warned. WTF are they rioting about?

  113. Rabbit I know this sounds bad but I found it jarring to switch from the sheriff, an accountable black man, to Nerdy McLillywhite back in the newsroom. Sheriff Clarke had my rapt attention. I just wanted to tell Nerdy to STFU.

  114. It is a race and economic redistribution problem. The social justice operation is after a form of reparations. Obama said the same thing years ago. He claimed reparations were not politically feasable, but Obamacare could send more resources toward the blacks.

    I told you Morgan Freeman’s daughter runs a consulting firm. She, according to a local talk show told Omaha teachers they need to incorporate Black Lives Matter principles into school curriculums and to teach white students they don’t deserve the privileges they stole from blacks.

    The race of the shooter doesn’t matter to them as much as an attack on representatives of the government.

  115. The Olympic committee lied to the mother of one of the US swim team members who were robbed last night. It sounds like a repeat of Hillary’s lies to grieving family members.

    The news media isn’t telling us about the bigoted Muslim treatment of Isreali athletes, and they are touting the assets they are to our country while criticizing Trump’s and western Europeans’ hostility to the invasion. They are also hiding our gold medals from shooting events.

    When I vote for Trump, I am also voting against these bigoted leftists who are encouraged by the likes of Obama and Hillary. I wouldn’t care if I was the only Democrat or Republican in a district. I would vote not to send a message but to support my political goals, even if it was hopeless.

  116. Just to be clear going forward R. You cited a post by Alfie and claimed to have taken my information at face value until you read that post. The implication being that I posted something untruthful and deceptive. What you did not do and what you still have not done is say what was proven to be wrong and/or deceptive and you did not engage any of the content posted. You just left it with the implication swinging in the wind, dismissing it out of hand. 95% of the time this is what you do. Carry on if that is in your world passes for honest intellectual conversation. I will decide to pass on any questions you might have if you have not taken the requisite time to meaningfully engage my content in preference to this kind of tactic. Your actions will typically dictate my response.

  117. I had to laugh yesterday when my wife and I were in the grocery store. I looked over at the National Enquirer fish wrap, and on the cover it had this hideous picture of Clinton, bulbous and unkempt, with the Headline:

    Hillary as gained 103lbs during campaign!!!!

    Why anybody would want to be a politician is beyond me.

  118. The Enquirer continues its assassination of “Crooked Hillary” Clinton, devoting this week’s cover to “Clinton’s secret health crisis.” Evidently she has suffered a “mental breakdown,” and is “eating herself to death,” having allegedly gained 103 lbs since announcing her candidacy for the White House. Her supposedly ravenous appetite for food, prescription drugs and alcohol have “caused her butt to balloon at least 20 inches in the three weeks since the Democratic National Convention, reports the Enquirer.

  119. Alfie, one medal is an accomplishment. Three is huge. The winners deserve at least a few minutes of coverage and maybe an interview.

  120. Wow James that is no joke and something that never occurred to me. Wilson’s wife is considered by many historians the true first female POTUS. HRC becomes incapacitated and we really think Bill is gonna let Kaine run the show?

    Holy shit.

  121. The implication being that I posted something untruthful and deceptive.

    That’s the inference of a drama queen. Alfie’s link which you did not read shows there are two sides to the story and I should’ve checked all sides before accepting your source as gospel. You were not trying to deceive. You simply had not adequately researched the matter, nor had I. Hence my hat tip to Alfie.

  122. Rutherford, Kim Rhode with her bronze medal for skeet shooting has now officially medaled in six consecutive Olympic games. She is the first woman to have done this and only the second competitor in winter or summer games with such a record.

    The IOC president attended to witness the making of history.

    I may have missed the story, but I saw nothing in the Olympics coverage.

    The show did mention Ginny Thrasher but she had earned the first gold medal for the US.

    I read that winners of shooting events have trouble getting endorsements except from weapons manufacturers.

    Evil is a strong word. I prefer political correctness.

  123. I can’t swear this is unique to Hillary but I don’t recall any candidate in my adulthood getting scrutiny for diapers, seizures, overall weakness, early dementia, etc like HRC does. Either we’ve reached a new low or she is one sick pup.

  124. “HRC becomes incapacitated and we really think Bill is gonna let Kaine run the show?”

    Dude… Bill is a pathetic old man with the look of dementia.

    Hillary’s time to win was in 08. Only corruption keeps her on her feet.

    The Clinton Foundation is winning on November. Not a Clinton.

  125. “That’s the inference of a drama queen.”

    No, that is just common sense. I took it at face value until…

    You always want to make it into more than what it is to cover your ass. No one actually care so stop covering.

    Yet another reason Johnson just isn’t an option, supports BLM.

  126. Alfie I’m gonna go out on a limb and use a word despised here in the bar. – NUANCE. I get the feeling that the Libertarians are the most nuanced of the political players. Not easily pigeon holed. Very reliant on common sense. Not rabidly ideological. I could be wrong but that’s the vibe I get from the web site and what I’ve seen Johnson say on the teevee.

  127. I have a post on the topic Rutherford. I think people get caught up that somehow only the Libertarians are supposed to be monolithic or something. I touched on it earlier that there seems to be purists and realists orbiting planet LP and that is an issue to some.

  128. I can’t swear this is unique to Hillary but I don’t recall any candidate in my adulthood getting scrutiny for diapers, seizures, overall weakness, early dementia, etc like HRC does.

    Electing a POTUS with dementia and seizures….and you think this is a good idea? National emergencies handled by a person with dementia and seizures…..just when you thought the bar could not be lowered anymore….

    Libertarians are bar none the least nuanced of any political party I have ever countered. Their thought process is about as simplistic as it gets.

    Should come as no surprise from the Clintons.

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/15/rape-clinton-campaign-deletes-right-believed-website/

  129. The press hid FDR’s health before his last term. Some doctors worried that he might not last last another four years. They also tried to hide, Roosevelt’s inability to walk without heavy braces. He once nearly tipped over during a speech.

    JFK was much sicker than the youthful viger he projected. He took so many medications they sometimes interfered with each other. The press hid his problems from the rest of us.

    Kennedy may have been medication addled during his first meeting with Khrushev and that might have helped convince the Soviets that Kennedy was a pushover. That meeting led to the Cuban missile crisis.

  130. “I get the feeling that the Libertarians are the most nuanced of the political players.”

    “Libertarians are bar none the least nuanced of any political party I have ever countered. Their thought process is about as simplistic as it gets.”

    Liberty doesn’t require nuance.

    People are free to do what they want as long as what they want doesn’t directly harm others. Government’s one and only role is to protect that freedom.

    Pretty simple stuff.

    Things get more complicated when people want to start telling others how to act when it’s really none of their damn business and doesn’t directly hurt anyone else.

  131. I got to go into surgery to get my salivary gland removed from a minor foul in morning basketball 3 month ago. My face is a swollen, painful mess.

  132. Rabbit I’m no doctor but I’ve never heard of a salivary gland that’s not got a tumor being removed due to an impact injury. Have you sought a second opinion? Just sounds kinda drastic to me.

  133. Yeah IRS just think I owe 3 grand.

    The mucous rention cyst is a swelling of connective tissue consisting of a collection of fluid called mucin. This occurs because of a ruptured salivary gland duct usually caused by local trauma (damage).

  134. Rabbit I’ve heard of non cancerous reasons for salivary & parotid gland issues. So best wishes you stay rainy instead of hurricane and shake it all off.

  135. C’mon Rutherford. We can’t expect a guy to take time away from watching every Trump video ever made to actually read and critically scrutinize a source before he posts it up on the Internet, now can we?

  136. Thanks Rabbit for the detail. Bummer.

    My mouth is completely fucked up right now. I went YEARS without seeing a dentist and only ever had the occasional tooth discomfort. Started seeing a dentist last year and I swear they are sabotaging me. Monster toothache two days AFTER seeing them with no toothache and now I’ve got this strange sensation in my lower gum.

    I shoulda just kept my dentist boycott going! 😡😡😡

  137. We can’t expect a guy to take time away from watching every Trump video ever made to actually read and critically scrutinize a source before he posts it up on the Internet, now can we?

    LOL

  138. Geez, Brother Rabbit. That sounds painful. I can still remember my first chemistry instructor telling the class, “If you’re going to live as long as I have, take care of your teeth and your feet.”

    I’m beginning to understand why. 🙂

    I’ve been wearing a heart monitor for the better part of a month. Yesterday morning, I couldn’t walk to my neighbor’s porch before bending over on my knees. I literally couldn’t catch my breath. Then it passed. I’m afraid my v-tach from my 20s has come roaring back – and this time, medicine may not be the prognosis. 😡

    Next up is either defibrillator or a node ablation. Damn, I would hate to go the way of the hippie professor, but yesterday, I was beginning to wonder if time was up.

    And they keep telling me nothing is wrong. The monitor is my idea – as I think the cardiologists are full of it.

  139. Sorry you guys are having health issues, but it doesn’t seem you have healthy habits.

    If the doctors and their drugs don’t kill you, the government will. Thankfully I floss my teeth every day and have not missed a day for as far back as I can remember. I still have all my original teeth minus 3 wisdom teeth. Mouth health is critical to overall health. My regiment over the past several years has me detoxing all the accumulated crap 50 plus years of living in this modern world accumulates. I’ve been working and staying active. I have been feeling healthier every new day.

  140. Tex, picture this – MVP (mitral valve prolapse) combined with restrictive lung disease (not really a disease, just restricted breathing due to severe scoliosis).

    So all my years my fallback was “at least my heart is in good shape”. A year ago I got so tired of being out of breath that I finally saw a cardiologist. Got diagnosed with MVP but was told the potential complications of medication due to my breathing wasn’t worth the risk. So I’m out of breath doing the simplest of things. I’m overdue for an annual followup with the cardiologist but now I’m convinced he’s gonna wanna do a valve replacement and I’ll be a motherfucker if I’m gonna die on the operating table before the November election. I’ll take my chances and do my follow up exam after November 8.

    But you being a medicine man, Tex, you get the vicious cycle – lungs are suboptimal to begin with and heart is not pumping blood as strong as it should so the oxygen delivery system is totally screwed. Doc said I had 90% proper heart function. I’d hate to know what 80 feels like.

  141. now I’m convinced he’s gonna wanna do a valve replacement and I’ll be a motherfucker if I’m gonna die on the operating table before the November election.

    ** GUFFAW ** You are twisted. 😈

  142. Rutherford, if you went years without seeing a dentist, you may have accumulated a load of calculus. As you know, calculus can cause infections and the gum to retreat from the tooth. Eventually bone tissue can also retreat and the tooth can get loose.

    You may be feeling the effects of deep digging. Your tooth root may be extra sensitive after the trauma of removing the calculus.

    There were certain people you didn’t mess with in the Air Force, and medics were one squadron that could be trouble. When offenders of other organizations came into the hospital for exams or treatment, the dentists would numb their mouths and let someone with no experience clean their teeth. The aftermath was painful after the anesthetic wore off.

    Don’t neglect your gums and teeth. You could die under some circumstances.

    I hope it works out for you, Tex. I’m worried and hoping for the best. However, you will probably have an outcome similar to mine. In 1992, the doctor told me to settle my affairs, and I looked for someone to rent our land. He was wrong, of course, since I am still here and as fit as ever.

  143. Mrs poolman was a loyal fan of the McLaughin group years ago. I was exposed to many hours of it and much of the PBS lineup. It got a little hard to watch at the end.

  144. LOL And Noah’s delusional mind really thought Obama would do such a thing. Telling.

    Rutherford , August 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    Delusional? What part of you can keep your plan and your doctor did you believe in? What part of the IRS and other agencies used as political weapons didn’t you understand? What part of supporting the terrorist organization known as BLM dont you understand? Covering for Hillary, two sets of laws…Seriously. Never in my life have I met an individual such as you Rutherford.

  145. Well…. I couldn’t take it. Cauterized a razor blade and a needle, cleaned with vodka and went to work. My wife almost fainted when she walked in the bathroom.

    Youtube shows the surgeries. I checked those out.

    I cut all that shit out and I am no longer in pain. Swelling went from freakish to none whatsoever. I honestly think I might have cut out the salivatory gland.

    Any you guys have impossible deductibles thanks to Obama? Come on over to Dr. DR’s garage and let me get to work.

    I have a feeling I’m going to get yelled at by the surgeon, tomorrow… But damn…. I I’d bet money my surgery was money!

    DR

  146. Holy fucking shit!!! Rabbit you operated on yourself? Got your medical degree from YouTube????

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I’ll tell you this much. I ain’t messing with you. You’ve proven yourself one crazy mofo. And you own guns. Sheeeeeeeut!!!! 😳😳😳😳

  147. Ha ha. It wasn’t that bad. It was more like popping a cyst and then cutting out the entire region with the blind hope I got the gland.

  148. and in case you thought it was an isolated incident, this is why we should all second amendment in black Mayberry.

    White Great-Grandmother Set on Fire by Five Blacks in Violent Home Invasion in Georgia

    Dow told deputies she was asleep in her bed when four black males and one black female forced their way through her backdoor and roused her from her sleep.
    When one suspect demanded money, she was pistol whipped in the face after telling her attackers she didn’t have any.

    Then one suspect poured a flammable liquid on Dow and set her on fire. During the assault, she sustained third-degree burns to her head and lower back, lacerations to her face, two broken arms, along with all the fingers on one hand, according to Sheriff Chuck Smith of the Meriwether County Sheriff’s Office.
    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2016/08/white-great-grandmother-set-on-fire-by.html

  149. “Huck, I owned my mistake and admitted it, something I have yet to see from you or Rutherford.”

    I’ve been coming here for 8 years, son. Read back and you’ll see. When I make ’em, I own ’em.

    You haven’t seen it because you haven’t seen me make any.

    Now run along and find some more racist shit to clog up the page loading here.

  150. “And they keep telling me nothing is wrong. The monitor is my idea – as I think the cardiologists are full of it.”

    Tex…. Will the monitor basically either prove your wrong (hopefully) or right?

    My brother the pharmacist is pissed at me for my home brew surgery and he’s planted a seed of anxiety in me.

  151. My brother the pharmacist is pissed at me for my home brew surgery and he’s planted a seed of anxiety in me.

    Bottom line, now that you’ve taken the scalpel to your own mouth, make damn sure you don’t get an infection. And pray your face heals before school starts.

  152. Ok, I think Hillary is hiding a major medical issue. She can’t stand up. Ive watched a ton of video and I swear she can’t stand up.

    I’m calling. There is something major wrong with her.

    If I’m wrong, shame on me. But I’m buying the tabloid stuff on this one.

  153. She can’t stand up.

    You lost me. She’s standing at every rally. NOW I will admit that she sits when a surrogate is speaking, whether it’s Obama, Biden, Kaine, etc. So maybe, to quote the Donald, there’s a “stamina” problem.

  154. She needs to be holding something. Vertigo maybe?

    Rutherford, I have watched every single Hillary video from 1996 to 2016, over 95 gig of video. 😉

  155. Noah, you seem race obsessed.

    El Tigre , August 16, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    Proportionate reporting of violent crimes. We are averaging about a 50 to 1 ratio of black to non black violent crime and its on the rise.

  156. Hacked 2,500 documents from the Open Society Foundation leaked for people to investigate themselves at dc leaks. Telling.

  157. Tex…. Will the monitor basically either prove your wrong (hopefully) or right?

    I’m not sure, Rabbit. These monitors are so flaky, after spending about $3,300 for a month’s worth of monitoring, I’m not sure what they are going to find. Supposedly, they continually monitor. But when I bent over short of breath Sunday, I looked down at the monitor which will allow you to record symptoms and it told me I was having “zero events.”

    What? I know I’m having V-tach. My fear is that I can’t convinced anyone else of that. It’s one of those things that doesn’t manifest itself easily like the flu, or cancer, or shingles, or something like Rutherford suffers from. My wife even jokes about it.

    But v-tach will drop you dead in about 4 minutes. Just happened to an OSU basketball player last month. And without anyone home but me most of the time, my fear is it happens and I never wake up – somebody discovering it much later.

  158. Tex my experience with the monitor was that my diary entries never matched the timing of the tachycardia. The diagnosis ended up being the tach was secondary to MVP. Have you had your valves checked?

  159. Hardball lead with Hillary’s “health problems” tonight. Libs swearing she’s in perfect health. Conservatives skeptical.

    I will say this. Homegirl’s bladder couldn’t last through a primary debate. Let’s just say she’s not aging well.

  160. Physical heart defects and electromechanical physiology two distinct worlds. If you’ve experienced times without VT I highly doubt a physical defect. You’ve got a rogue node or pathway. Sucks the monitor is failing you. Best thoughts.

  161. A European population lived in the desert of west China for generations about six thousand years ago. They were blonde, red heads, and blue eyed, though they also had Asian genes. They may have come from Ukraine, so those people might be some of rabbit’s distant relatives.

    Their mummies are so perfectly preserved that the face of one was used on a record album.

    I mention them because they conducted rabbit style surgery on themselves, and the mummies showed they lived long enough to heal. One unlucky mummy still had stitches after thyroid gland surgery.

    Good thoughts to you and Tex.

  162. The Puritan Left is going after Ellen now. Lol.

    Ellen the racist. She made a joke.

    On paper, the boring world created by the left will probably be the least of our worries… But damn… And some how Christians get made of fun of for being “lame”?

    The hierarchical ranking of liberal division
    1.Race/Ethnicity

    Subset. a. Black (unless you arent a liberal)
    b Middle Eastsrn
    c Hispanic (unless you are white hispanic)
    d. Asian
    e. White
    f. Black conservative
    2.LBGT

    3.Gender

    Handicapped

    I should make a deck of playing cards.

  163. Not that we really need anymore evidence that the media is working for the radical left..but…

    Another ACA collapse ignored.
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2016/08/16/abc-nbc-skip-big-setback-obamacare?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=marketing&utm_campaign=obamacare-setback

    Another corrupt Democrat tied to the Clintons goes down in flames, also ignored.
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2016/08/16/abc-nbc-skip-big-setback-obamacare?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=marketing&utm_campaign=obamacare-setback

    R, I would submit a quote from Walter Williams concerning our earlier conversation on morals and ethics and pertaining to your bathroom fetish. #nopedo

    How does something immoral, when done privately, become moral when it is done collectively? Furthermore, does legality establish morality? Stalinist, Nazi, and Maoist purges were legal. Clearly, the fact of legality does not justify these crimes. Legality, alone, cannot be the talisman of moral people.

  164. Physical heart defects and electromechanical physiology two distinct worlds. If you’ve experienced times without VT I highly doubt a physical defect. You’ve got a rogue node or pathway. Sucks the monitor is failing you. Best thoughts.

    Beat me to it, Alfie. Thanks for posting that. My v-tach goes like this. One day, I’m utterly short of breath. Next day, I mow the lawn in a 100 degree heat without hardly breathing hard. And I nor the cardiologists have a clue to what sets the tachycardia off.

    Hard as hell to diagnose, frustrating to live with.

  165. Rabbit’s predicament prompts two thoughts:

    Michigan’s gun permit application should add the following question: Have you ever attempted oral surgery on yourself that you learned from a YouTube video?

    And this:

    Fox News reports that Michigan man dies performing surgery on himself because Obamacare could not cover his medical bills. Requests for comment from the Obama administration have gone unanswered.

  166. Many members of my family have had irregular heart beats, but it hasn’t affected our life spans. I haven’t been bothered for twenty years. At that time I nearly passed out at an historical group meeting .

    Someone called the doctor. He said to see him as soon as possible but not to drive alone. One form was harmless. The other could kill me before the end of the day.

    I wore a heart monitor with inconclusive results. The doctor finally tried diet. I ate a whole bag of chocolates and my heart beat registered on the monitor. He decided I was reacting to caffine.

  167. Hey Rabbit, if I recall you’re familiar with Dan Carlin’s podcasts, right? His latest Common Sense podcast makes an interesting observation that we are at once in the most restrictive time for free speech (college campuses, for example) AND the most permissive time for free speech – read any comments thread on any online publication.

    Your Ellen post reminded me of that.

  168. Sorry Noah, converted your embed picture into a link. I don’t need to scroll through that picture all day long. Disgusting. Folks can click if they want to see it. And what does violence against whites have to do with pedophilia? I think you’ve got a screw loose.

  169. Diet is an interesting variable. Potassium especially with or without being on certain medications (although especially if taking diuretics) all types of weird s:#% can happen.
    @ James caffeine doesnt effect my HR but my BP goes berserk. Ironic to my past I’m also a pretty good bet for “white coat syndrome”.

  170. Others hinted in a different way but I’ll add something.
    Racially motivated retrospectives are far from being intellectually stimulating or beneficial to the topic of race,poverty and civil disorder.

  171. Legality, alone, cannot be the talisman of moral people.

    Finally a point worth some discussion.

    I’ll start by posing a question. Isn’t the difference between a democracy and other forms of gov whence power emanates? In other words, in a dictatorship laws come from the top, reflecting one man’s (or groups) preferences, moral or not. In a democracy, power comes from the people and laws reflect their common moral code. As public morality changes, laws reflect those changes.

    Why don’t we start there as a basis for further discussion?

  172. We are not in a democracy, Rutherford. It matters not how many teevee actors and internet sites claim it. Try maritime, if you give it consent. Do you feel you and george soros have an equal say in our society? Of course he holds dual citizenship, so should only get half a say in the us of a.

  173. The ACA is a basket case but to focus on the burgeoning monolithic private sector insurance beast,Aetna,crying its “lost” $430m is kind of incredible in light of their offer to spend $37 BILLION to acquire another ACA fail,Humana. Also the fuckers have laid down the extortion gauntlet that if DoJ doesn’t ok the monopoly they’ll pull out too. Like the lying fucks are leaving no matter what!

  174. I just smoked a bowl of post “surgery” medical marijuana. I did it to take the place of the prescribed vicodins. I ended up just getting high and then taking the vicodins. 😉

    Its a nice escape, but I can totally see how Poolman is so retarded.

    Love the jams on it, though. No munchies as my mouth is all stitched up (doc was impressed with my work by the way, however, I didn’t get the the glands).

    Pot heads think it enhances reality. What it really does is filter it. This allows one to toy with individual ideas in a new way while you kind of flow from idea to idea in an episodic fadhion.

    A connection to the whole isn’t there.

    I don’t have time for weed, but I still can see it having a healthy psychological role to play in moderation. Plus, it’s supposed to be a free country. Legalize this stuff and move on.

    Poolman… You need to quit abusing this shit, maaaan. You’re a village idiot and weed plays a major role in you believing things that a normal adult knows are laughably impossible.

  175. Could one of my more learned patrons please fact check this absurd shit from Chris Matthews?

    This history of assassination in this country is unlike any other country in the world.

    Really?

  176. If you’re gonna go RIGHT, go RIGHT. Trump has hired head of Breitbart to run his campaign and the rumor is that Roger Ailes will be doing debate prep.

    I think it’s about time. These mealy mouthed conservatives hide their love of Breitbart, Drudge and Fox. Now there’s a candidate in full embrace with them. With their help, HRC may still win but she’ll look like a scorched cadaver when she gives her victory speech.

  177. This village idiot proved there wasn’t a handicap sign posted where there should have been four (4).

    I even made it easy for any village or country idiot to access the assessor’s website to view legal information and overhead photos from 2002, 2007, and 2012 for any property in that county including all 7 public schools in that district. Hint: One of those is not like the others.

    Then again, I am not having to spend my awake time surgically removing poisoned body parts.

  178. Rabbit, why are you feeling so much better? Did you let an infection drain?

    We were created as a democratic republic. Responsible people were designed to act as a check on the mob. Voters were landowners and other allegedly responsible people with a better than average predilection for educating themselves.

    The three branches of government were designed like rock paper scissors.

    We are evolving into something else. Lines between the branches are blurring and the press has more power than our founding fathers intended.

    I blame giving women the vote. Ann Coulter already reached that conclusion.

    I am joking.

  179. The three branches of government were designed like rock paper scissors.

    Because of corporate infiltration and privatization it is become Rock Inc., Paper Ltd., Scissors Я Us™. Due to leveraging, subsidies, and EEO requirements, results will not be evident, but must be analysed by committees of legalists meeting privately behind closed doors before being disseminated to the public.

  180. It’s a shame the author of the article on the “genius” black family was not a genius.

    The family of 11 includes two teenage daughters who have graduated college with master’s degrees and a mother who is an architect and attorney.

    You don’t “graduate college”, you graduate FROM college. And you don’t earn a masters degree from a college. You earn it from a graduate school.

    I stopped reading. Thanks for your support of genius blacks, Noah. You’re the next MLK.

  181. Poolman, with due respect, you’re not the village idiot because you can find pictures of parking lots with no handicapped signs. What crosses you to idiot territory is the conclusion that Sandy Hook never happened.

    Conspiracy theorists are masters at finding “evidence”. That is their genius. What marks them as nutjobs is the where the evidence leads them.

    If I say the moon is the color of Munster cheese, that does not mean the moon is made of Munster cheese.

    Those susceptible to conspiracy theorists are impressed and overwhelmed by the mountains of “evidence” compiled which makes them doubt the utter preposterousness of the final conclusions.

  182. “Rabbit, why are you feeling so much better? Did you let an infection drain?”

    Yes. But the next day the doc gave me the surgery. I didn’t get the glands.

    Unfortunately, I think he got a nerve in my face. My lip goes back and forth from hot to numb.

    I’d compare the revovery


  183. I stopped reading. Thanks for your support of genius blacks, Noah. You’re the next MLK.”

    Rutherford , August 18, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Of course you did as it shatters the narrative your Democrat masters fed you on your economic plantation. Usea gude house boy.

  184. I’m hoping for the best rabbit.

    The second attempt to remove my half inch root tip from my lingual space failed after two and a half hours in the Air Force. An after effect was a numb mouth and tongue for four months. Eating was a chore, but the feeling returned over a period of two weeks.

    Lets hope your problem is also temporary.

  185. Those susceptible to conspiracy theorists are impressed and overwhelmed by the mountains of “evidence” compiled which makes them doubt the utter preposterousness of the final conclusions.

    Simple Definition of conspiracy
    a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal

    the act of secretly planning to do something that is harmful or illegal

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy

    Do you deny people conspire for personal gain? Trust everybody? Anybody?

    I have witnessed your theories of others undergoing such conspiring over the almost six years of being here. Recently feeling the bern. So is it the theorizing that you have a problem with or is it believing the evilness of certain people’s conspiring?

    Really, I think you parrot the meme without giving it thought. The confidence you give media scares the crap out of me, but for your sake. I prefer to follow facts. If they point to one fraud, then it will generally lead to another and so on. I don’t think you know what evidence is. Hint: Teevee, hearsay, and popular opinion are not real evidence.

    I had not personally studied the parking lot prior, but had read others accounts who I felt were trustworthy or at least that detail would not be affected by their biases. Now I have seen the evidence of fraud and I was able to articulate that and prove as much to anyone interested in seeking truth. You would think an honest broker would admit that small fact agreeing it non compliant. No, that one fact doesn’t prove the whole event fraudulent. It is just one thing that suggests it COULD be. It’s a bone a real truth hound would chew on and dig deeper. Remember, that was just 1 point out of a list of 10. 1 that anyone can research.

    Your mountains of compiled evidence are only hearsay, words, and teevee. The evidence has been buried, though some will always come back and haunt. The funny part was the toon squad jumping in trying to unprove it. 😆

  186. I see by the rate of progression it isn’t going to take Noah long before he is going back to calling people here “nigger”.

  187. Laylah C Petersen was tragically killed on 6 November 2014.

    I’m beginning to think Noah is a bot that automatically just posts links using some strange algorithm. Good homework Alfie – I didn’t bother to click the link in the first place much less click the link within the article. I don’t even think Noah knew her name – he probably didn’t click the link within the article.

    FWIW, the video within the article circulated back in the day and I believe was posted in the comments on this very blog. The officer in the video makes a damn good point.

    By the way, if you scroll to the bottom you see the quality links that the site owner sucks in, claiming that John Goodman is dead and Jamie Lee Curtis is transgender. 🙄

  188. “Rutherford when did you say the family unit didn’t matter?

    Alfie, rhetorical question I assume. Figment of Noah’s imagination is the answer.”

    I seem to recall in my last tour in this despot of intellectual depravity that Rutherford took me to task when asked about my program for kids in my 501c3 being focused on bringing in black makes because we believed that the broken black family unit was the primary cause of all of the problems we faced in the black community with Rutherford telling me I was full of shit and that I didn’t know what I was talking about. #nopedo

  189. So come on Tigre, Rabbit, Tex etal. Where’s your smackdown? Big headline today. Obama and Kerry lied about no connection between payment and hostage release.

    No links? No snide remarks? You’re getting soft. 😊

  190. “No links? No snide remarks? You’re getting soft.”

    Or hardened after 8 years of lies.

    I speculate it wouldn’t take much research (although more than I’m going to do) to find a lie from this administration at least once a month for Obama’s entire presidency.

  191. I don’t know if this link will work but it’s a gift for Noah. You can’t say I don’t give my bar patrons good service.

    The guitar work in the background may appeal to Huck, sounds metal-ish. 😊

  192. I speculate it wouldn’t take much research (although more than I’m going to do) to find a lie from this administration at least once a month for Obama’s entire presidency.

    Ok Noah, now that you’ve watched every Trump vid ever made, Huck has provided you with your next challenge. I can’t wait for your results. 😀

  193. Not that I expect R’s delicate sensibilities to be able to get through this, I can say that this girls remarks apply to nearly every country in Europe, and we are importing them at 100,000+ per year and Hillary is going to step it up even more.

    “Ok Noah, now that you’ve watched every Trump vid ever made”

    Every video in anyway pertaining to politics. One could accomplish it in a lazy evening or two, or for you Rutherford what passes for a work day.

  194. “Could Baton Rouge be Obama’s Katrina?”

    No, because the press will insulate, rather than attack him.

    This motherfucker’s out golfing and Kanye West hasn’t said shit.

  195. “Obama and Kerry lied about no connection between payment and hostage release.”

    Rutherford, that’s dog bites man.

    They ALWAYS lie.

    Always.

    Every major story, the administration is lying. That is the Obama legacy. And I fear for the future. Because it seems getting caught is no big deal if it’s a couple weeks or even days out of the news cycle. They lie knowing they will be caught in a few days! Think about that.

    Of course, you werw blabbing on about how the lie was reasonable (4 years ago you would have believed them outright).

    You think the Obama legacy will be shitty Obamacare where healthy people pay more for insurance and the middle class geta fucked? It’s lies and coffee colored skin tone.

  196. Re: heavy metal vid

    If that was my kid resisting arrest I would have slammed him worse than that when he got home. Feral motherfuckers going to sue, of course.

  197. La flooding doesn’t come close to Katrina in a number of ways. I agree the media is soft on the story though.

    Negotiations and brinknanship being what it is I can’t believe folks are flogging the ransom line. The fucking money was going to Tehran like it or not so the bilateral spin is totally understandable.

  198. Lies were the point of my joke. The swimmers lied as poorly as Obama and Hillary. They got caught.

    Personal traits, not politics are the similarity.

  199. “So come on Tigre, Rabbit, Tex etal. Where’s your smackdown?”

    I’m numb to it now. To coin a phrase from Alfie, you gobble the goo, so I guess the big epiphany that lacks no details whatsoever from what was known other than exposing Obama’s lie itself, I’ll just take another sip of my coffee and move on. You liberal press that let it ride I see is gobsmacked that they had been lied to — even though it was obvious to a child we were lied to. Is that waht it took for you to finally get this?

    Alfie, you keep trying to claim it ain’t ransom because it was owed and agreed to. The admin has admitted that the payment was going to be made unless it was in exchange for the hostages. It was a quid pro quo. THAT’S FUCKING RANSOM. Please stop.

  200. Since we’re transitioning from lyin’ Obama (oops, that racist, I forgot) and Kerry and their chief foreign relations officer, James Taylor, does anybody know why the swimmers lied? I don’t get it.

  201. I have posted this video before and today to illustrate a bitter irony. Vika is a flag waving patriot who like other Ukrainians is mostly alone as they face Russian aggression.

    NBC News has been reporting on the victims of Syrian bombing who are treated at a hidden hospital. Like Ukrainians, they are mostly alone. The stories are sad. What the reporters neglect to tell us is the injured and killed children are another part of Obama’s and Hillary’s Middle East foreign policy.

    Among their sins, they contributed to a vacume which let Putin become a power in the Middle East and Europe. Russian bombing is a result.

    Putin has restored Russia to great power status and Obama and his European allies have reacted with “tsk tsk.” His forces have created conditions which have killed ten thousand Ukrainians so far, and he has massed forty thousand troops on the border.

    We won’t even help Ukraine upgrade its defensive forces.

    Obama and Hillary don’t understand that countries like Russia, China and Iran know what they want. They want money and power.

  202. My guess is the swimmers partied too long, got drunk and took out their enthusiasm on a rest room.

    They probably wanted to cover up their misdeed and thought the negative stereotype of Rio crime would make them look like victims, maybe heroic. Who would have thought a Brazilian gas station had a security camera?

    That’s just my guess.

  203. DR, there’s no such thing as bad beer, only varying grades of good. So, I do like some of the french stuff, but not a first reach. Sours I really don’t get. My brother, who brews all grain, likes ’em. Me? Eh. Not so much. I’ll take that Jolly Pumpkin you were drinking. Fuck that looked good. Like that cloudy weiss beer I drank every 100 feet or so in Munich years ago.

    Shit. Now I want a Michigan craft brew. You guys are livin’ large up there.

  204. does anybody know why the swimmers lied? I don’t get it.

    I think James nailed it but I’d add one wrinkle. Brazilian security guard probably did some Rio justice via extortion and swimmers thought they could use it to their advantage in the media.

    The truth no one wants to hear: 50% of male athletes are thugs with a lucrative hobby.

  205. This motherfucker’s out golfing and Kanye West hasn’t said shit.

    Probably because most victims were white? The sweet irony that Kanye turns out to be the bigot. “Kanye West doesn’t care about white people.”

    Taylor Swift should’ve kicked him in the ‘nads back in the day.

  206. I owe you $10. I’m not paying you your $10. You take my cat and inform me I can have it back when I pay you the $10 I owe you. I send someone to pay you your $10 and you tell me you won’t let my cat go until you receive it. You get the $10 I owed you and you give me back my cat.

    I don’t think the fact it was payment of a debt that was going to happen anyway changes whether or not it was a ransom. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

  207. Huck you’re looking at it wrong. That sly fucker Obama was holding the money hostage until he received the ransom payment in of Americans from Iran.

  208. No links? No snide remarks? You’re getting soft. 😊

    Damn, what more can I say about Obama that I already haven’t said? LOL I’ve moved on from arguing with the Left which is futile, because all but a few are corrupt, mindless, stupid, and immoral, to trying to determine the most effective ways I can capitalize on their stupidity and fuck ‘um in the process. 🙂 Been pretty good of it as of late too.

    There was this filthy Prius at the grocery store last week, big “Bernie 2016” sticker, underneath a “have you taught your kid about eternal damnation today?” A twofer in my appetite for destruction book.

    So I put my delis in the truck, went inside, pulled out a quarter, bought me one of those hard as rock baseball pieces of gum, got it good and gooey, stretched it across the mofo’s driver door handle on a good, hot Oklahoma summer day, and laughed my ass off all the way home. 😛

    See that Detroit video above? That’s Obama’s America. Let ‘um rot.

  209. stretched it across the mofo’s driver door handle on a good, hot Oklahoma summer day, and laughed my ass off all the way home.

    Taking lessons from Noah. Not a good idea Tex. If the driver approached his car as you were vandalizing it, you would have gotten a well deserved punch in the face, if not worse.

    Others here can join in your hilarity. I personally fear for your safety. Get yourself under control.

  210. Huck I like your scenario because it adds interesting wrinkles.

    If the Iranians said up front “we’ve taken X number of hostages BECAUSE you owe us money and we want our money” then we’ve got clear cut causality. It almost puts Iran in the right for using a tactic (albeit distasteful) to get back what is rightfully theirs.

    The problem is the hostage taking is an independent terrorist act with no clear resolution UNTIL someone brought up the idea of a swap.

    I’m wondering whose idea it was. Did the Iranians tie the release to the debt payment or did we?

  211. I don’t get how Ben Shapiro’s vid was a social experiment. I agree with him though. Two observations:

    1) on the polls “lie”, he could’ve saved time and just pointed to Bernie Sanders. Bernie’s huge crowds did not mean squat at the ballot box.

    2) he’s shocked that Republicans can’t handle science? Where has he been all this time as the GOP dismisses evolution and climate change? It’s one thing to correctly identify them as theories. It’s quite another to say they are both pure fiction as the GOP does all the time.

    Poor Ben Shapiro. Mofo needs to wake up about his own homies.

  212. R, I put a post-it note on the car, I didn’t run into a bathroom and snap pictures of little girls. #nopedo

    Damn! You must know more of Tex’s story than he shared here. Tex – you old perv!!!! 😈

  213. “R, I put a post-it note on the car, I didn’t run into a bathroom and snap pictures of little girls. #nopedo”

    Which means you’ve done 1 of those 2 things, while Rutherford has done neither. Telling.

    #nopost-its

  214. The only optics bothering me is how the Bureacracy grinds away with little thought of the governed.
    I have to confess to having other optical issues regarding this. Although I don’t find Iran a respectable sovereign state regard arresting folks I don’t find the people properly defined as “hostages”.

  215. If the driver approached his car as you were vandalizing it, you would have gotten a well deserved punch in the face, if not worse.

    From a Bernie supporter? 😆 😆 They would have hid in their safe space. Did you see that pavement ape get blocked in the parking lot?

    Do you know what a 6,000lbs truck would do to a feckless Bernie supporter? I’m itching to drag me a lib. 😈

  216. Besides, that bubble gum card gum didn’t permanently hurt the car. 😛 But I’ll bet it will take some seriously hot water to remove that sticky shit. It was like cotton candy putting it on with my hands. 56 years old and still a juvenile delinquent. LOL!!!!

    If that offends you, you’re going to be really pissed to know that’s the second time I stuck one on the same car. ** GUFFAW ** The first time I stuck one to the driver’s window from a moving target. It was if it was like some magnet, of which I was quite proud of the shot. 🙂 Divinely led gum stuck to a bigot’s window.

    I’m still laughing about a Leftist Prius driver kicking my ass…damn Rutherford, I got to get you out more.

  217. Regarding the latest of Noah’s endless Facebook videos – I got a kick out of “nigglybear”. There is a glaring problem with the dude’s stats. He says 13% of America is black and responsible for 50% of murders. But that assumes every black man murders someone. If only 5% of the 13% are doing the killing, that hardly condemns an entire race.

    This is not a numbers game. It’s a sociological problem that we all have to get together and solve. BTW – big kudos to the brother for pointing out that BLACKS feel uncomfortable when a gang of them comes down the street.

  218. The experiment was to play two things, one that you would agree with and the other you would not. As I predicted you made no mention of the opening part of the video talking about the $400 million and the lies told by both Obama and Hillary. It is not often where in one setting I can find a video where you will predictably agree and disagree. I wanted to see if you could be honest and comprehensive knowing in advance you would not be. Rather than saying it after the fact I wanted to make my point in advanced to show how regular and predictable this problem is.

    “But that assumes every black man murders someone. If only 5% of the 13% are doing the killing, that hardly condemns an entire race.”

    Actually no it doesn’t. It is taking one sub group and pointing out the stats of that group and comparing their accomplishment (murder) to the sized of the group and pitting against the other 70% of the nation. If this were an Olympic, the black community would be the international grand champions with more gold medals than anyone else.

  219. Rutherford the Shapiro video is a social experiment because it proved you would sit through 16 minutes of a whiney neocon douchebag spouting out of context opinion and utter bullshit.
    Query if I watch every Shapiro video ever made will I see one where he goes nuts on Obama for reading from a teleprompter? That would be ironic me thinks…

  220. “They would have hid in their safe space.”

    Doing things to people’s car while they aren’t there to see you or while it is moving is about a safe a space as one can have.

    Let us know when you sack up and do it while someone is in a position to confront you about it.

    #nobubblegum #nopost-its #telling #hashtagsarecoolbrah

  221. “whiney neocon douchebag”

    A sure sign of a weak Liberal argument using a word that they have little experiencing using in a proper way. Shapiro is your intellectual superior in every conceivable way, not that I’ve set a high bar to clear.

  222. Pretty weak retort sport. If you had the remotest understanding of the three words listed and an ounce of intellectual honesty within you you’d be forced to make an uncomfortable confession.

  223. #nobubblegum #nopost-its #telling #hashtagsarecoolbrah

    LOL. I couldn’t hurt somebody else’s property being a true believer in the reap/sow karma thing. Not prudent. Better to pray for them. They certainly need it if they still have a Bernie sticker after that shaming…

  224. Aflie dearest. If I was intellectually dishonest, I wouldn’t have a political group with over twenty thousand members princess. Calling Shapiro a neocon is like calling Rutherford black. It just doesn’t fit.

  225. If I was intellectually dishonest, I wouldn’t have a political group with over twenty thousand members princess.

    Follow my logic Noah.

    1) You believe MSNBC is intellectually dishonest.
    2) MSNBC has MANY more than 20,000 followers – that’s just tv ratings. On Twitter, 1.14 million followers.

    You following me?

  226. “Follow my logic Noah.

    1) You believe MSNBC is intellectually dishonest.
    2) MSNBC has MANY more than 20,000 followers – that’s just tv ratings. On Twitter, 1.14 million followers.

    You following me?”

    I am not on the national stage. I built my group one follower at a time. Over time my intellectual honesty attracted more and more people, all built on reputation and word of mouth. All things considered I am not surprised you have no clue how that works and would think you were actually drawing a valid comparison here. Logic? Please.

  227. What is the circumference of a 20,000 person circle jerk, anyway? Or give me the diameter and we’ll work off some pi. 😆 Any math people here? We need to know the demographic we’re dealing with or I suppose we got miles of examples in dead rabbit’s clip.

  228. “If I was intellectually dishonest, I wouldn’t have a political group with over twenty thousand members princess.”

    More worthless appeal to authority. The DNC has a lot more members than that. Does that mean you concede the Democratic party is more intellectually honest that you are? #nofallacy

    “Having a working understanding however is quite another thing entirely.”

    Yes it is. Don’t think everyone here won’t notice your inability to display one. Maybe you should go ask your Facebook group. #telling

  229. Let us know when you sack up and do it while someone is in a position to confront you about it.

    I hope it’s yours, Muzzie…And there won’t be a fucking thing you can do about it, shithead.

  230. “I built my group one follower at a time.”

    I read backward so didn’t see this. However, you’re still using appeal to authority fallacy. The claim you can get tens of thousands of people to buy your bullshit doesn’t make it stink any less around here. We’re obviously smarter than your “followers”

  231. Huck, you’ve got to be one of the more sanctimonious, pretentious POS on the net. I’ll bet money outside the realm of this internet, people can’t stand your feckless ass, including your students. Some moral relativist telling me what’s holy. LOL

    If there’s anything I can’t stand more than a feckless, thieving lib, is some passive-aggressive bully full of himself – especially a blowhard “academician” at a community college.

    You ain’t that good or that smart, so put a fucking sock in it.

  232. Thank you! I will share this. I wish more people could see this! I am voting for Darrell Castle. This has been my plan for a long time. His running mate, Scott Bradley said something like this (I am using my own words to retell his analogy, but slightly changing it to make it even better):

    If you really need to get somewhere on time and you are given these 3 car choices, which will you pick?

    1) A vehicle capable of going 90 mph, but which cannot be taken off autopilot. Autopilot will definitely drive you off a cliff to your death.

    2) A vehicle which will drive 80 mph and is set on autopilot. It cannot be taken off autopilot and will for sure drive you into the ocean and to your death.

    3) A car that will not drive at all but will keep you warm, secure and alive.

    In my opinion, voting for Darrell Castle is car 3. My vote will not give Castle the presidency (the car will not go anywhere) but it will increase the percentages given to other parties (besides the popular two). The way I see it, it is a vote for the future, a vote to increase awareness of the other parties so that someday maybe my grandkids can enjoy a system wherein any of 6 parties’ candidates could be selected in any given election.

  233. “I hope it’s yours, Muzzie…And there won’t be a fucking thing you can do about it, shithead.”

    I don’t drive a Prius.

    There’s nothing anyone can do about it because you do it when people can’t. Like a coward. You won’t walk up while someone is gassing up and fuck with their car face-to-face. You make sure there is distance between you and then you log onto your anonymous account and stroke your deflated ego.

    You can’t even take your anonymous persona being confronted on this, why should we believe your real one can?

  234. LMFAO

    The guy who throws gum at moving cars is going to call other people a passive-aggressive bully. Do you even think about the words before you type them?

    “I’ll bet money outside the realm of this internet, people can’t stand your feckless ass, including your students.”

    You’d lose that bet.

    I don’t have to be that good or smart. That was kind of my point. Noah is a fallacy machine and he obviously has no clue what I am even talking about because none of his tens of thousands of “followers”, who he has a repeated need to brag about, have ever called him on it.

  235. Alfie, we quit farming several years ago because my back was in pretty bad shape. We are a landlord now.

    We were involved in a 1031 land exchange 120 miles from home to escape partition because of a sister- in law from Hell, and had to spend the proceeds quickly to avoid taxes. I found a farm near home, but then, our niece and nephew in law discovered his brother had drained the business for his own benefit and moved to Florida.

    The banker told them they had to sell part of their land to stay in business. A neighbor bought 80 acres and two aunts bought more. They needed even more money to regain solvency, so we and our sister in law bought the rest. My wife and I also purchased extra land with our own money. Our last purchase with our money independent of the settlement was what put everything together.

    Their thirteen year old son wants to farm. It is all he has wanted since age four.

    Our niece and her husband were teary because we all had saved their farm.

    It was a pretty good day and ended 16 unpleasant years with that side of the family. My wife’s two sisters consider their sister to be dead, and the feeling is mutual.

  236. LDS Mom, thanks for your comment and for featuring my article on your blog.

    I overall agree with you that the two party system must go.

    I’m curious why you prefer Castle over McMullin. McMullin is LDS and will probably be on more ballots than Castle. I’m not suggesting you vote on purely religious grounds, but McMullin seems a more grounded choice than Castle.

  237. You’d lose that bet.

    Baloney. You’re a sanctimonious blowhard, full of himself, in an academic achievement that leads to barista. Comic gold. You might as well be teaching Womyn’s Studies in the sociology dept. for all the good you’ll do for these idiot imbeciles wasting their resources.

    If you think I’m a passive aggressive type like I do you, there’s one way to prove it. You got the nads to meet up, tough guy? The same guy scared of fish, spiders, and mites? 🙂 I do pray you run that bigoted mouth of yours to my face, Mr. Sympathizer.

    I’d just love to make your acquaintance and put that claim of yours to the test, “teacher…” I’ll bring the bubble gum.

    Enough with the talk.

  238. Rutherford, you’ve got my permission to give Mr. Huck my name and email address. Let’s see if our resident blowhard has got the guts to back up his bonafides. I’ll be waiting, Mr. Huck, for your invite to appear.

    Just name the place… 😉

  239. Thanks for the permission Tex but even you ought to admit the conversation is juvenile.

    Leave your own body for a moment and tell me there isn’t something ridiculous about a grown-ass man throwing gum at a moving car.

    And that car you vandalized (permanent damage or not), how about this alternative:

    Instead of going back in the store to buy a gum ball, how about buying a post-it note (h/t to Noah) and a pen and writing ”your eternal damnation bumper sticker is offensive to decent Christians who might actually protect your ass. Call me if you’d like to discuss. Tex Taylor (xxx) xxx-xxxx”.

    Now THAT would have been ballsy!

  240. “However, you’re still using appeal to authority fallacy.”

    Actually no I am not. These kind of groups are at will. They either appeal to people and they continue to be used or they disappear. The groups rules allow anyone of any political brand to participate. It is an open forum to share any ideas with one caveat. Everything has to be backed by fact and sourced when asked. I apply the rules ruthlessly and if I were unfair in my application of said rules, people would not bother with the group. The evidence of the success and the growth rate suggests I have a working formula that allows people to converse in a civilized way and they have reasonable expectations that what they read is factual because it is being constantly challenged. 10 months ago we were 19k. We are now 25.5k with an average net growth of 500 a month in spite of a bleed rate of 2-5 members a day. Success leaves clues, something progressives typically overlook due to their personal bias.

  241. Success leaves clues, something progressives typically overlook due to their personal bias.

    Comments like that tell me that progressives are probably not welcome in your group and that every comment they post is factually challenged and ultimately dismissed.

    Your vision is so skewed as to make it impossible for you to run a “fair” Facebook group.

    With that said, I do see why you are proud of your stats. I hope to launch my own group (professional, not political) relatively soon and can only hope for your numbers.

  242. Leave your own body for a moment and tell me there isn’t something ridiculous about a grown-ass man throwing gum at a moving car.

    Why don’t you just give tough guy my name and email address and leave it that? No offense, but your life’s example nor your conclusions don’t provide me with a pattern I would deduce as excellent, anymore than I would deduce Huck’s example as excellent. 🙂
    No more arguing or debate with the bigots and Leftists. They’re mindless, clueless and unteachable.
    If Huck thinks me cowardly, I am more than happy to demonstrate to him how passive I really am. I got all the time in the world and I need to act on these “activities” while I still got the time. {snicker}
    I want to move on to something more permanent, lasting, a “teachable” moment for the bigots and the retching that involves something more to lose than sticky gum handles and harsh language. Seems to me a pretty simple request.

  243. Having a working understanding however is quite another thing entirely. Your ilk uses neocon as a pejorative.
    My working understanding of the term neocon is far more comprehensive than anything you’ve displayed. You’re a really ridiculous person to have a dialog with.

  244. Tex how much you wanna wager libtard thought a stupid kid put gum on his car? Hell, you didn’t even get your point across while you got your cheap thrill. C’mon!

  245. “Success leaves clues, something progressives typically overlook due to their personal bias.”

    “Comments like that tell me that progressives are probably not welcome in your group and that every comment they post is factually challenged and ultimately dismissed.

    Your vision is so skewed as to make it impossible for you to run a “fair” Facebook group.

    With that said, I do see why you are proud of your stats. I hope to launch my own group (professional, not political) relatively soon and can only hope for your numbers”

    Progressives are encouraged and are the only ones I actively recruit. One cannot clap if one has a right hand only. Opposing view points are what make discussion and debate enjoyable. Again being a progressive I am not in the last bit surprised that you do not find value in opposing points of view. What gets your kind in trouble is the inability to remain civilized. 99% of the time the conversation because about the person and not what is being said.

    Rule 1) Don’t attack the person, attack the argument. Keep ad hominem attacks to a minimum or none.

    A near impossible rule for a progressive to follow for more than a few comments. Most of the time as the facts are shown to prove them wrong they either attack the person presenting the information or they take their ball an go home.

    Its not that all Democrats are bad people, it is that most bad people are Democrats. Bad people typically don’t feel any kinship with Conservatives because they hold vastly different values. Unfortunately this disclaimer is necessary. This is not to suggest that there are not bad people on the right but rather to suggest what is most often true, what is the most pervasive truth.

    Other than Huck and Alfie who I feel are genuinely bad human beings (for different reasons), I have no true ill will towards anyone, not even you Rutherford. I think we are all fucked up in our own ways. Where I see our true differences are that some recognize it and attempt to improve, others don’t see it and don’t care, while others see it and seek to continue to exploit it. The latter two I have little appreciation for.

    Don’t mistake my ability to get in the mud here as an inability to converse in a civilized way. This pit happens to have no guidelines when it comes to civility and the brand of discourse I use in my group would not fit in well here. So when in Rome…

  246. Tex how much you wanna wager libtard thought a stupid kid put gum on his car? Hell, you didn’t even get your point across while you got your cheap thrill. C’mon!

    You think there’s some deep point? ** GUFFAW ** That’s part of the game. It’s called retribution.

    This bastard is going to get to figure out the point. And the next time I see that POS at the grocery store and that sticker is still on the back, there’s going to be a third point made, and a fourth, and a fifth…

    And for my resident nuns, the days of reasoning with you bigots are over with. You’re going to lose something besides your patience before I’m through.

  247. Other than Huck and Alfie who I feel are genuinely bad human beings (for different reasons), I have no true ill will towards anyone, not even you Rutherford.

  248. Darrell Castle’s running mate is also LDS, by the way, if that is your reason for choosing him. My reason for not choosing him is that I feel very strongly that he is not for sovereignty and getting out of all foreign alliances. You probably side with him which is why you like him the best. I an all for getting out of foreign treaties which trump the U.S. Constitution. I am all for getting out of the United Nations and making our own call about which wars to fight in, instead of having the U.N. decide for us. I think the New World Order is the scariest issue right now. As a former CIA agent, you would think that McMullin would know that.

    McMullin is on the ballot in these states: Colorado, Utah, Louisiana, Iowa. I know he is working to get into all states, and I do support the idea of getting him on the ballot. However, I will be voting for Darrell Castle, who openly pushes for getting out of the United Nations and all foreign treaties which trump the U.S. Constitution. By trump, I mean, the signing of the treaty by our leaders means they are swearing to uphold that treaty’s laws and promises above anything else, including the U.S. Constitution!

    Castle is on the ballot, will be on the ballot soon, or is an officially registered write-in candidate, in all states but New York and Oklahoma. I know that they are also working on those two, but an insane amount of money or number of signatures is needed for those two states. Please check out this map: https://www.constitutionparty.com/get-involved/election-central/ballot-access/

    Castle is a member of a political party which has standards of belief called a “platform.” If you were to read the Constitution Party Platform, you would be very pleased with all that it says, I assure you.

    McMullin has been nominated as the candidate in the Independence Party of Minnesota. I cannot see a Platform, though they do display their “values.” I do not agree with their values. First off, value number one is flawed. Our founding fathers were very against a democratic form of government and in fact gave us a Constitutional Republic. This means the Constitution makes laws for the limits of government. Our solution is truly to make our government adhere to the Constitution by knowing it better and reminding them like a bee buzzing around their ears, constantly, when they are voting against the U.S. Constitution. Independence Party Web site http://www.mnip.org/

    I am well aware of President Joseph Smith’s prophecy about an independent party breaking up the two powerful parties in this country. I am well aware that a prophecy is being fulfilled. I am also aware that many Prophets have told us that the U.S. Constitution is what made the church’s establishment possible. President Smith did not say that the Independence Party would be the best one to vote for at this time. I believe that Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party is the best candidate to vote for because I know how much he loves the U.S. Constitution and our sovereignity (independence). I think McMullin will go with staying in the U.N., which means he is completely unaware that being in the U.N. means being under China’s rule in the New World Order.

    I have been a member of the Constitution Party 3 years now and I love the Constitution Party. We have monthly meetings with great speakers. Castle’s running mate came to speak to us last month. He is so amazing and wonderful! The month before, Paul Skousen came. He is wonderful and very motivated to teach others about the U.S. Constitution. The month before that, we had KrisAnne Hall, who is also amazing. This is all in Weber County. I do not know that all countis have as awesome a county chair as our county does.

  249. LDS Home Homeschool Mom, who are you? Are you a real person or a figment of a regular’s imagination? Will you be more than an interesting flash with repeat visits or will you dash my hopes like so many others with a vanishing act?

  250. LDS-Mom, just to be clear, I’m not voting for McMullin. I just thought he might be your natural choice and I see now why he isn’t. Thank you for that.

    As I said in my piece, McMullin seems to have the least specifics. While I don’t support Castle, I give him credit for staking out a very clear position: anti-UN, anti-Fed reserve, etc.

    If you mozy around the blog you will see I am a liberal who is never-Hillary. I am still deciding between Jill Stein and Gary Johnson and I’m currently leaning heavily toward Johnson.

  251. Good God James, she posts two comments and you’re already accusing her of being an imposter? Don’t you think you’re pulling the trigger prematurely?

    P.S. This is a blog, not a Facebook group- no requirement to “introduce yourself” when commenting here.

    P.P.S. She has a blog, more than we could say for Pfarker.

  252. “@ Huck we’re bad human beings? Please enlighten!”

    The list of people I seek validation from is pretty small. I just double checked and I didn’t see the name of anyone here.

  253. Well, after his lectures on the folly of multiculturalism, it’s no surprise Noah is a fan of Dinesh D’Souza. Dinesh has been described by an opponent to be a psuedo-intellectual.

    Criticize Wiki all you want. I found this “biography” very enlightening. As a side note, D’Souza is an adulterer and a felon. It always amazes me how the most vocal advocates of Christian values fail the test.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza

  254. Other than Huck and Alfie who I feel are genuinely bad human beings (for different reasons), I have no true ill will towards anyone, not even you Rutherford.

    So since I’ve always been pretty clear about my opinions of and ill will towards others here (2 users) it should not be a surprise that I hold others to the same standard.

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  255. Oh, I see. I should not have supposed you were for McMullin. You just thought I would be because he heavily touts his religion and I am of the same religion. Thanks for clarifying.

    As for you, I hope you can decide whether to go with Stein or Johnson. I am sure you will. In my opinion, a good place to start is, find out what the platforms of each party are. A party would not select a candidate unless that party felt that the candidate best represents their views (and is also most likely to win of all of the candidates that support their views). Finding out what each party values the most will give you a good push in the right direction anyway. Let me know what you decide and why. I should very much like to know.

  256. Radical Liberalism 101. When soundly defeated by the argument, attack the source and run. This is why life will continue to hand you one failure after another R. People can smell dishonesty. None of your character assassination does anything to address his argument blowing the one thing that you have based your entire party loyalty on out of the water. I’m cool with that though…like my previous social experiment that you slithered away from it only confirms for all to see what we already know.

    The party of second chances has decided to deny the man who made a unlawful political donation a voice when he belongs to the party of the Clintons, the only serial sexual predator to hold the highest office of the land and the head of a foundation that is selling American interests to the highest bidder. How rich. I’ll take that cup of Irony to go if you please.

  257. More of the same by more of the same, both by the article and its presenter. Unfortunately your reading comprehension seems to be on par with your vocabulary. The words untrue were never uttered by me princess. It was using that as an excuse to avoid the content that was commented on. Welcome to the town of Derp! population you.

  258. “Good God” Rutherford. This site has had imposters before. I get suspicious. I remember another site where a man posed as four people to get rid of me. He created different biographies. He failed, and someone discovered his ruse. Helen and Margarete blog trolls created a false James persona to misrepresent me.

    I don’t care who or what she is. Though I am suspicious, I like how she writes, and I hope she stays. As I wrote too many visitors here dash my hopes and disappear.

  259. Noah it’s truly amazing how retarded you are.Seriously do you ever have an original thought? Nothing you’ve ever said here seems to indicate that.
    You’re a preening peacock kind of douchebag,I hope you know that.You present yourself as an intellectual but are clearly parochial in your worldview (yeah I’m using that pejoratively).
    You state I’m a bad human being with no substantiation yet in one breath wish Rutherford well & in others constantly denigrate his very being right down to his cultural background and ethnicity. I do highly doubt anyone but Rutherford and myself read your screeds here so you perhaps might want to treat us better.

  260. I doubt anyone is following this but if so it should be noted that the VF article is complete with plenty of input from D’Souza himself. So the “same by more of the same” is actually real journalism that for obvious reasons pisses off the resident stormtrooper.

  261. Huck seeks validation from sociology majors, between about 18 – 20 and bad at math, moving on to Afro-American and pedophile (peace be upon him) religious studies.

    The stuff of Feel the Bern and $FourBucks coffee.

  262. BAM! Rabbit that’s the poison dart that will make Noah’s ass swell.

    According to Wiki, D’Souza has called Robert Spencer an Islamophobe (which he is) and has said Islam does NOT hate us for our freedom but for our liberal sexual debauchery.

    So this same opponent of multiculturalism defends Islam. Maybe that’s why he’s called a pseudo intellectual?

  263. Again, its all an attack on the person and nothing on the content. By all means continue to vilify the man, I never claimed the man is a saint and it takes nothing away from the subject matter presented.

    Islamophobe is not the appropriate word because a phobia is an irrational fear. Considering we are seeing a terrorist attack every 58 hours over the past 2.5 months, it seems to me to be a very rational fear. Add to that the massive increases in assaults, murders, sexual assaults and rapes in Europe since taking in all these refugees, it seems to me this is a very normal thing to be concerned about.

    FYI I don’t hate all Muslims. In case you were unaware, Israel is the only nation in the middle east that has a Church, Mosque, and a Synagogue all within spitting distance from each other. We all get along just fine.

  264. “So this same opponent of multiculturalism defends Islam. Maybe that’s why he’s called a pseudo intellectual?”

    He doesn’t really contradict himself…

  265. The guy sees moral decline of the West a product of liberalism. Traditional Western culture is the apex of humanity.

    While he sees multiculturalism as just another tool to dilute tradional Western Christian culture , he seems to repect Islam for it’s social morality and thinks Islam is lashing out at us becuase of this new perverted culture the left is shoving down the Islamic World’s throat.

  266. “he seems to repect Islam for it’s social morality and thinks Islam is lashing out at us becuase of this new perverted culture the left is shoving down the Islamic World’s throat.”

    While you are right on a superficial level, no such motivation was needed. They were always coming, it was just a matter of time.

  267. If you curse them, they will come? Maybe it is our occupation of their lands or our colonialist mindset. Maybe they have a problem with the america worship. Or maybe decades of bombing homes, weddings, and funerals has tweaked their attitude. Maybe they oppose pornography and other forms of sexual perversion always promoted by the west. Maybe they oppose the usury and debt slavery or our rabid consumerism and materialistic tendency. Maybe it’s our warlike nature exploited since youth.

    I have asked you to list what is still honorable about this nation and you flat declined. Telling.

  268. Noah, you identify as a Christian, I believe. Point out to me where it is written in the Bible warning us about this modern onslaught of Islam.

  269. And you bad human beings better be on your best behavior.
    You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout

  270. Point out to me where it is written in the Bible warning us about this modern onslaught of Islam.

    Rosh, Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Persia, Cush, Gomer and Beth-togarmah…

  271. Israel is the only nation in the middle east that has a Church, Mosque, and a Synagogue all in the same place and almost nobody gets along!
    Just saying it kind of swings both ways.

  272. I don’t agree with the notion that the character of one berating the character of others is somehow irrelevant in the discussion of said berating.

    That being said the collective works of D’Souza show an intentional decline of scholarship and overt pursuit for personal gratification,faux edification and of course profit.
    His arguably best work Illiberal Education was a work of the highest order that not only spoke of the recent past and present (1998) but foretold the future. I find it remarkable that this book was penned by the same dude we’re speaking of today.

    I hate Howard Zinn and successfully fought my childs school over requiring use of his book. However an equally half assed view of US history is not the proper response.
    America:Imagine the World Without Her is an excellent example of that. A far more interesting tome could’ve been put forth showcasing potentials of a world truly without America in it. This one would of course have to explore how slavery would’ve been ended earlier,how the world would’ve fared under a solid Euro-Spheric model and how such modern poxes as Islamic terrorism,Nazi’s,China,the nuclear age and communism may very well not have evolved. A bold move to say the least.

    <Obama’s America aka Roots of Obama’s Rage is also scatter-brained. I actually agreed with D’Souza’s original take down of Obama’s daddy and felt any introspection by junior would likely reveal that throughout his life he learned and believed in a number of alienating ideas. Ultimately Obama’s upbringing is a made for television version of growing up as a mixture of angry lily white privileged liberal and angry black internationalist. The constant parallels D’Souza draws like a compare/contrast essay actually speaks as loud to D’Souza’s upbringing and impacts.
    It has to be said also that as bad as Obama has been for this country,and as different I personally believe the potentials of 2012 could’ve made 2016 any reasonable person has to concede that America’s trajectory has a genesis that is beyond Obama,Alinsky and other D’Souza boogeymen.

  273. “While you are right on a superficial level, no such motivation was needed. They were always coming, it was just a matter of time.”

    While he is right on a superficial level….

  274. “I don’t agree with the notion that the character of one berating the character of others is somehow irrelevant in the discussion of said berating.”

    It is when it causes the subject being discussed to be ignored. I am all for bashing the person if it includes an honest assessment of the topic. Here it almost never does, at least not by the opposition. It is used as a crutch and an escape rout.

    I also recommend Clinton Cash.

  275. “While he is right on a superficial level….”

    Sure its true they hate all of those things, without them they would still be coming. Nor is the fact that they are there a valid reason for them to come and slaughter all they disagree with.

  276. We slaughter plenty of people we disagree with. We just make sure to pass UN resolutions or get congressional permission first.

    I’m not defending Islamic terrorists, but just about every single thing we can accuse them of can be turned around to us if one bothers to engage in the mental exercise of seeing it from the other side (which few here ever want to do).

    They say the exact same things about us. That we were always going to come for them, that we hate their way of life, and that we want to kill them for their religion.

    But this, of course, leads us back to the discussion we already had. That it doesn’t matter if we do things, because conditions have been met that allow us to do them and still maintain the moral high ground. Naturally, they say the same thing too.

    And the world, like the debate, goes ’round and ’round.

  277. I agree with Huck. This is part of our heritage.

    A Neanderthal man was doing something when at least one Cro Magnon shot him with a spear. We know this because the Neanderthal escaped and lived long enough for the wound to his ribs to heal. Our distant ancestor certainly supported his actions with moral justification and the Neanderthal regarded him as an immoral devil.

    The “President’s Analyst” staring James Coburn describes our situation. Moral questions are settled by the physical, political or economic death of one of the protagonists. The winners provide moral justification.

  278. We slaughter plenty of people we disagree with. We just make sure to pass UN resolutions or get congressional permission first.

    http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/06/06/19-women-burned-to-death-after-refusing-to-have-sex-with-isis-fighters/

    Not…the…same.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/world/europe/turkey-wedding-attack-isis-blamed.html?_r=0

    No..valid..comparison.

    Take a trip over there, it will be very educational. These are regressing religious fanatics. They have a prolific inbreeding problem creating millions of mentally deficient and deranged individuals. There is no possible way to negotiate our way out of this. Contain or kill or die. Pick your poison.

  279. I’m not defending Islamic terrorists, but just about every single thing we can accuse them of can be turned around to us if one bothers to engage in the mental exercise of seeing it from the other side (which few here ever want to do).

    Actually its worse than moral equivalence. You’re actually attempting to justify jihad I’m not attempting to justify Islamic terrorists BUT… – something akin to one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. What difference does it make?

    Truly Ward Churchiliian. Perhaps you can morally equivocate of the 452 suicide bombings in 2015, 450 of them were conducted by the religion of piece. But blah blah blah….BUT

  280. The winners hold the moral high ground. We must destroy our enemies as the Romans destroyed Carthage. It would better not to kill them, but our enemies and we will be at each others’ throats until one is utterly defeated and destroyed.

  281. Understanding the others’ viewpoint and moral justification is important. The more people know what makes their enemies justify themselves and view the world, the easier it is to destroy them. Understanding the other side is a tactical weapon.

    It also applies to everything from a high school class, a computer factory, a basketball game or a blog.

  282. “Take a trip over there, it will be very educational.”

    I have. Have you?

    “You’re actually attempting to justify jihad ”

    Actually that’s not what I’m doing. I’m attempting to understand our enemies. That idea goes well beyond “how can we fight them if we won’t name them?” It takes a lot more than saying the words “Islamic terrorism” to do that.

    “The winners hold the moral high ground.”

    Are you sure you want to take that position? Isis is winning in the Middle East, and we sure as hell aren’t beating them enough anywhere to call it winning.

  283. I’m not equivocating anything. I’m telling you that THEY make that equivocation. It’s not my perspective, it’s theirs.

  284. Does the religion of a scumbag really define the scumbag?

    A better question for Noah, Tex and Rabbit is “Does the religion of a scumbag really define the religion?

  285. “A better question for Noah, Tex and Rabbit is “Does the religion of a scumbag really define the religion?”

    HAven’t you already answered that for yourself in the affirmative?

    Oh yea. That’s just only applied to one religion.

    Never mind.

  286. “They say the exact same things about us. That we were always going to come for them, that we hate their way of life, and that we want to kill them for their religion.”

    Evidenced by the stream of Westerners immigrating to the middle east.

  287. “Evidenced by the stream of Westerners immigrating to the middle east.”

    Not that I don’t appreciate the snarky bent, but I am hoping you can make this point more clear so I can try to respond. There’s a couple ways I can read that and want to make sure I address the right one.

  288. You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.

    One of my fav lines although the version I know is “You don’t have to go home, but you got to get the hell out of here.”

  289. “There’s a couple ways I can read that and want to make sure I address the right one.”

    Huck, I get the “you need to see it from their perspective” part, but you’ll find me in the “false equivalency” camp on this one (e.g. method, manner, motives) . So, I guess I meant it a couple of ways that depend on whom you mean by “they.”

  290. Huck, I get the “you need to see it from their perspective” part,

    I’d like to reiterate my question to James. I agree we need to see their perspective. But to what end? To change our behavior or theirs? To get in their head and defeat them (ala James) or build common understanding and peace?

  291. “I’m telling you that THEY make that equivocation. It’s not my perspective, it’s theirs.”

    That’s their fucking probem.

    They believe in all kinds of dumb shit because they are ignorant as fuck.

  292. “you’ll find me in the “false equivalency” camp on this one (e.g. method, manner, motives)”

    I don’t disagree. It is a false equivalency. But it’s one they (being our enemies and even others, not “they” being all Muslims) make.

    There are plenty that want to come here for reasons that others come here–to get away from the place that offers them a crap life and to try to make a better one someplace else. They welcome what America has to offer and they want to be a part of the American experience.

    And there are some, yes far too many, who want to come here to do evil. There are some, also too many, who want to come here and change “here” to be more like “there”. They don’t get that America is the sum of its parts, and the things that make us an attractive to live will change if we are fundamentally changed. Or they get it and don’t care.

    All I’m saying is our enemies tell us why they are our enemies. They don’t try to hide it and I don’t see why we shouldn’t take them at their word. I’m not justifying their reasons, I’m simply pointing them out.

    “But to what end? To change our behavior or theirs?”

    That depends on one’s perspective and mine is that it doesn’t necessarily need to be a binary issue.

  293. “They believe in all kinds of dumb shit because they are ignorant as fuck.”

    That’s certainly part of it. Other parts include what they perceive to decades of Western imperialism and butting into their shit, supporting their dictators and using them as our bitch, stuff like drones bombing funerals and killing civilians (whether accidental or not). Setting up bases in their backyard–or front yard. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do some of those things. But it pisses them the hell off when we do.

    “they are ignorant as fuck” is the easy way out into the hard way. This will never be over if that is the basis for our policies and actions.

  294. The Middle East is changing with some very exciting character shifts. If Turkey continues on its heavily hinted path the Moscow Tehran Ankara triad makes for some interesting stuff.
    Might be a good time for the West to more seriously consider recognizing an independent Kurdistan.

  295. Why should 1956 Iran be any less pissed off about us illegally influencing their election than 2016 Israel being pissed off about us trying to influence theirs? That right there led bigtime to the Iran we see today.

    People in the Middle East have a lot longer memory than we do.

  296. Islamic people aren’t the only people victimized (and helped) by imperialism or the global showdown during the Cold War.

  297. They believe in all kinds of dumb shit because they are ignorant as fuck.

    Every atheist says that about EVERY religion. You wouldn’t know that because you’re trapped in YOUR perspective.

  298. @ dead rabbit I think it safe to say that those more appropriately seen as victims of the post WWII era far outnumber the beneficiaries of Pax Americana.
    Truth be told you can trace those folks through a number of actions that only assured them a place on Uncle Sams shit list. Africa,Southeast Asia,Central & South America and of course the Middle East & Southwest Asia.
    Although I would be comfortable saying in some cases we were choosing US interests often we were mucking it up and looking real short term.

  299. @ dead rabbit I don’t know about “friends” but partners definitely. I’m thinking Erdogan will drift further away from the EU and will buy some Russian hardware soon. The hot rumor in FP circles is Turkey may very well allow Russia to deploy an air wing at Incrilik for operations in Syria. That would allow the pussy Erdogan to spin a tougher stance against ISIL since to dare all he has done was scimitar rattle against Assad and run away from ISIL as they threatened a long dead “heroes” tomb.
    Plenty of meat on the loose alliance bone. By international treaty the Turks control access to the Black Sea, would benefit from trade with Iran and Russia and as part of the triad clearly profit from China’s Silk Road developments.

  300. Rutherford, we try to understand our enemies and adjust where our interests coincide with theirs. The goal would be to create a state of co-existance.

    If they remain intransigent , however, we use our understanding of their attitudes and values to undermine and ultimately to destroy them before they destroy us.

    I think something like Radio Free Europe could help overthrow governments. Once we knew what average citizens were thinking, we could pit groups against one another. The Iranian Green Revolution was an opportunity Obama ignored.

    A Russian-Turkish friendship seems like a stretch but necessity creates unlikely relationships.

    I think the Kurds deserve their own autonimous territory, though the Iranians and Turks would disagree.

  301. Rosh, Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Persia, Cush, Gomer and Beth-togarmah…

    If this is suppose to answer the ‘where’ question I posed to Noah, it totally misses.

    America is positioned on the north american continent. The others listed are from the other hemisphere and presumed near east. Let us have the discussion of who Israel is and was when Ezekiel is said to have written his prophecies. Then we can discuss the meaning of the abomination that causes desolation. Then maybe we can get back to what Islam has to do with any of it.

  302. “There are plenty that want to come here for reasons that others come here–to get away from the place that offers them a crap life and to try to make a better one someplace else. . . ”

    “And there are some, yes far too many, who want to come here to do evil.. . ”

    Yet, no one from “here” wants to go immigrate “there” and enjoy or change a fucking thing culturally or socially — the very thing we must “understand from ‘their’ perspective?”

    Shit. We have a presidential contender that is running on a platform of “keeping them out,” and no one that’s taken seriously that wants to go there and murder, annihilate and destroy them solely because of cultural differences.

    To please Rutherford the Self-righteous Bigot, I have wondered allowed about xenophobic rural Southerners that still refer to Yankees that want to change their way of life (a/k/a carpetbaggers), “what on earth makes you think yankees want to come take your most impoverished and unproductive land/resources when no yankee has tried to take that shit or your redneck culture since. . . ever? Like there’s a traffic jam from Manhatten to bumbfuck Georgia bringing busloads of yankees in to take your women and poverty.” I guess their fear comes from watching the idiots on MSNBC, and the idiots listen to the idiots on MSNBC, that think their shitholes are more “intellectual.” 😆

    But I digress.

  303. LOL With 100% sincerity I appreciate Tigre’s Western/Islam parallel to North/South. It not only cracked me up, it’s a bullseye.

    Of course we do have a few recent examples of young American idiots going to Syria to “join ISIL”.

  304. To return to a theme I expressed earlier, I’m surprised our current predicament has not increased the rolls of atheists triple fold.

    Atheists have been warning for decades the danger of ceding your own good judgment to the imaginary voice that has been planted in your head by “believers”.

  305. “Atheists have been warning for decades the danger of ceding your own good judgment to the imaginary voice that has been planted in your head by “believers”.

    Yeah those athiests… They never get anything planted in their head. No way.

    I just can’t imagine athiests ever being gullible and following some cult of personality off a cliff with an up shot of 60 million people murdered.

    We need to listen to the athiests, guys.

  306. The Pres analyst trailer was a hoot James.

    But it took my mind in another direction. The danger of divulging state secrets to a man (Coburn) ill prepared to receive them. And then I thought of … Donald Trump.

    You realize he got his first top secret briefing last week. Holy crap.

    P.S. Yes yes I know HRC can’t be trusted with state secrets either but that ship has sailed. Why are we christening a new ship?

  307. A better question for Noah, Tex and Rabbit is “Does the religion of a scumbag really define the religion?

    You’re so ignorant, you won’t understand this, but when the founder of the religion is a pedophile, a mass murderer, and a liar, I believe it fair enough to call the entire religion one of scumbags, no matter how peaceful they want to sell themselves. They’re either hopelessly deluded, abjectly stupid, or evil.

    P.S. – Hitler was inspired to write Mein Kampf due to the influence of one Frederick Nietzsche – somebody of about your “irreligious” craft, Rutherford. You probably ought to learn a little something about the subject material before extrapolating about motivations.

  308. “Rabbit there is FAR from historian unanimity about Hitler’s religious views.”

    Wasn’t refering to Hitler.

  309. Then maybe we can get back to what Islam has to do with any of it.

    I don’t know how you can misconstrue the name “Persia” to mean anything but those that predate Islam and its founders, Poolman.

    It would be like denying the Christian faith derived from Jews.

  310. Let us have the discussion of who Israel is and was when Ezekiel is said to have written his prophecies.

    When can get more specific than Israel. We can speak about Jerusalem to save ourselves the banter.

  311. when the founder of the religion is a pedophile, a mass murderer, and a liar, I believe it fair enough to call the entire religion one of scumbags

    The Mormon church was founded by a con artist. Where’s your condemnation of LDS Tex?

    Maybe I misread the link I posted but Mein Kampf was not atheistic in any way.

  312. You’re so ignorant, you won’t understand this, but when the founder of the religion is a pedophile, a mass murderer, and a liar

    You just defined ignorance with that statement.

  313. “Yet, no one from “here” wants to go immigrate “there””

    We aren’t emigrating there and I didn’t mean to imply we are.

    But we’ve had a heavy direct presence and influence there for decades. And we have most certainly tried to change things culturally, socially, and politically. This is an undeniable fact.

  314. “Mein Kampf was not atheistic in any way”

    Who gives a shit? Have you ever read it? It’s and boring, badly written rant that never ends. It blabs on about all kinds of things that reflected the time period. Mein Kampf was not averse to name dropping obscure Bavarian plays too.

    It’s not Christian in any way, that’s for sure. And it’s not about German theater either.

  315. And we have most certainly tried to change things culturally, socially, and politically. This is an undeniable fact.

    Too bad we failed. We were able to fix Japan and East Europe… So you can’t blame us for trying to fix them. But it was mistake.

  316. “And we have most certainly tried to change things culturally, socially, and politically”

    And in keeping with my point, because I think I am straying from it–they believe we have done those things. This is displayed in the writings of Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Qutb, and certainly many others before and since.

  317. You just defined ignorance with that statement.

    There’s certain subjects you’re just ignorant about, Rutherford. And there are more subjects where you’re just stupid. When the false prophet marries a girl whose 6 and deflower her at nine, you’re a scumbag. When you claim to be a founder of religion, then cut off the heads of competing tribe, you’re a scumbag. When you poorly copy a couple of religious texts that predate your between 1,500 an 550 years, and twist them in some perverted fashion to face Mecca, then claim you’re a “prophet,” you’re a scumbag and a flimflam.

    Like I’ve said before, Rutherford. You have a religion as deep as anyone on this board. It’s the religion of state and tyranny, to abolish competing religions. It’s why you hate Christianity most of all, as it interferes with your own passions. I don’t let myself forget anymore behind the facade, you’re a wicked little bastard. I can’t think of anyone offhand that deserves to meet up close and personal a real theocracy than you. I doubt you’ll live long enough as I suspect your time is about up, but it will tickle me if the Islamists deem you a throwaway. 😛

    And no, I’m really not shitting. Deep down, you’re really a sorry mofo that deserves his lot. Boo hoo.

  318. “So you can’t blame us for trying to fix them. But it was mistake.”

    That it was a mistake says I can blame us for it. Hindsight is our only defense. I’m not even sure we can count good intentions because I doubt we had any. We did it for us, not them.

  319. “This is displayed in the writings of Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Qutb”

    I remember reading those guys in college.

    Oh the fucking horror. We wanted to keep trade open so we can buy from their cartel.

    Did the Ottomans give them this luxury? The Mongols? The French? The British?

    But America is the great satan? The only super power that decided NOT to take over motherfuckers in the vacuum through out all of human history?

  320. We’ve got a CAIR spokesperson on the board to accompany the Muslim apologist. The Gospel of Wiki. LOL

    Is there anything I’ve said here with respect to Islam that you can deny as fact, Imam Rutherford? Or are you going to babble on about my bias some more? 😛

    You want to show me where I’ve been a big proponent of LDS on this board, other than to note they’re not threatening to kill my children, rape my wife, and cut my head off?

  321. Absolutely no religion is free from the central tenet of their formation which is of course CONTROL. That some develop into positives serves as testimonials to faith and human spirit.

  322. Not for nothing but Adolf Hitler & Company could’ve been devout Lutherans and it would’ve had zero relationship to their deeds. They essentially formed a “religion” and tweaked others beliefs to cement their control.

  323. It would be like denying the Christian faith derived from Jews.

    Our Creator was known and worshiped way before the birth of Jacob, let alone Jesus. The Word was before all things. The Christian faith was so-named many years after He was crucified and resurrected. True, He was born In the line of Abraham to fulfill ALL the requirements set forth by Jewish law, traditions and teachings, including the writings of the prophets.

    But the Jews REFUSED Him and went so far as to have Him EXECUTED. If you ask sarah silverman, she’d do it again. So it is the very same today, and why there is so much spitting at Christians in Israel.

    Practicing Jews and Christians are NOT serving the same God. That is a big flaw with your logic and tweaks your belief system.

    Jews, the race, hold many ideologies of which Judaism in its varying forms comprises only one. Most actually tend toward atheist or secular and science. Jews believe God can’t be known. Practicing Jews do NOT worship the same Jesus – God that Christians do. They actually detest Him. They have done much over time to undermine His moral underpinning within western society.

  324. We can speak about Jerusalem to save ourselves the banter.

    Okay, fair enough. Since there are 2, you want to discuss the one in Matthew 23 or the one in Revelation 21?

  325. Poolman, you contradicted yourself from the first statement on in that hodgepodge from Genesis to John.

    Jews aren’t a race – that’s Hitler speaking. They’re a faith. Personally, I feel you know very little about actual Jews.

    But this statement is so ludicrous, it bears mentioning:

    Jews believe God can’t be known.

    Adam, Cain, Noah, then Jews Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), Lot, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Nathan, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Obidiah, Jonah, Micah, Jeremiah, Levitical priests, Mary, blah blah blah…

    What do you mean Jews don’t believe God can be known? They spoke with him. Good Lord. What are they teaching in your church?

  326. LOL. Why would I speak about the New Jerusalem? How about the one that has existed for 3,000 years? You’re trying to muddle up a very profound yet simple debate.

    You’re wrong. 🙂

  327. Huck, your generalities are killing me. We’ve been lectured that Islam is a religion of peace but by God we better not draw satirize/depict muhammed anywhere on the planet or we will bring have brought violence upon ourselves. We’ve been told that it’s important to understand the ones that kill innocent people in malls, office buildings, public transportation etc. have a rational view that they are fighting against our imposition of cultural values by . . . well. . . help me here. Where do we impose our decadent, sexualized western values upon them, and who the fuck is “them” and where is “there?”

  328. Not for nothing but Adolf Hitler & Company could’ve been devout Lutherans and it would’ve had zero relationship to their deeds.

    That’s true perhaps for the rational person, Alfie, but not for the Rutherfords of the world. Relativists like Rutherford are motivated by something far more sinister. The need to justify his own hatred and deviancy.

    Believe me, Rutherford wanted it so badly to be some Holy Roller down in Orlando that blew those queers away, he could taste it.

    Once again, Rutherford can’t run with a moral equivalency narrative, so that Rutherford can proceed with his idea of theocracy – Democrat fascism.

  329. “To whom were you referring Rabbit?”

    The self professed athiest regimes that murdered millions upon millions of course.

  330. “Take a trip over there, it will be very educational.”
    “I have. Have you?”

    3 months out of the year for all of my adult life after college I live in Israel.

    ““A better question for Noah, Tex and Rabbit is “Does the religion of a scumbag really define the religion?”

    Islam is unique in the world. It is an entire way of life. From the spiritual, to how to run your family to how to run a nation, economics, everything. It dictates to the people who fanatically enforce its precepts.

    “They say the exact same things about us. That we were always going to come for them, that we hate their way of life, and that we want to kill them for their religion.”
    “Evidenced by the stream of Westerners immigrating to the middle east.”

    You have this ass backwards. Islam is incompatible, by design, with everything else. It does not allow for any deviation in system of beliefs and demands death to those who ignore its teachings. The world cannot coexist with Islam as it is written, not because we are intolerant but because they are. Everywhere Islam is spreading we are seeing evidence of this. The majority are not going to change for us, they are going to demand we conform to them. They will die and take as many of us with them as they can for their beliefs. Human life outside of Islam is less than that of cattle.

    No matter what kind of society we could have become in the last 50 years, if it was not an Islamic society we would still be seeing what we see today, regardless of any intervention in middle eastern territories because no changes in any areas outside of the middle east changes what is written in the Quran.

  331. “That it was a mistake says I can blame us for it.” Huck

    It was a mistake because we wasted blood and treasure.

    Islam would have made war on us no matter what because that is what Islam does.

    Was the coup attempt in Iran back in ’53 while we desperately maneuvered in a Cold War against a massive evil empire powered by slaves? I guess. Should Iran be chanting death to America 60 years later over it?

    Polish people have been the ultimate chew tow of modern the modern world. I don’t see them blowing up hospitals in Germany with a rosary in hand.

  332. 1776-2016=240. Nothing this nation could have become in the last 240 years would change how we would have been treated by Islam because the writings in the Quran would have been the same, with the same instructions as what to do with the infidels. Islam cannot tolerate free nations.

  333. Should Iran be chanting death to America 60 years later over it?
    I’m thinking one could make the case that some Americans should be chanting that. The US did a lot of things during and after WWII to appease our relatives even though it was grossly out of bounds of our national interests. Iran is a good example. We took the UK and more so the Soviet Union to task in ’45 only to roll like bitches in ’53 for the Brits?!?! Fuck that!
    A handful of bureaucratic chimps in DC set the stage for modern Iran just like they did for Afghanistan.

  334. Jews aren’t a race – that’s Hitler speaking. They’re a faith.

    So genetics has nothing to do with being a Jew? :areyoufuckingnuts:

  335. Islam cannot tolerate free nations.
    I don’t think I can agree with that statement. Although I agree Islamic states feel empowered and endowed** to conduct themselves in Quranic fashion US history provides a narrative that shows coexistence occurs more often than not even if it requires force.<ex. Barbary States and Iran ’45
    **ssssslippppperrrryy slope there folks.

  336. Adam[not a Jew], Cain[not a Jew], Noah[not a Jew], then Jews Abraham[not a Jew], Isaac[not a Jew], Jacob (Israel), Lot[not a Jew], Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Nathan, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Obidiah, Jonah, Micah, Jeremiah, Levitical priests, Mary, blah blah blah…

    What do you mean Jews don’t believe God can be known? They spoke with him. Good Lord. What are they teaching in your church?

    The Jews are from the 12 tribes associated with Jacob who became known as Israel, the father of the Jews. Father Abraham is the father of 3 faiths, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

    Jewish people did not have a direct line to God. The priests had to perform sacrifices and rituals constantly to be worthy enough to be in the presence of their god. Most of the time they were serving idols. Moses was to have met with Him and convinced to save his people from their enslavement.

    Now, the account we get is that took place in Egypt. But archaeologists have it taking place in Saudi Arabia. Egypt never had pharaohs. They had kings. We suffer an account handed down from many translations, written and rewritten, carefully controlled and institutionalized since before Christianity and Islam.

    So go ask a Jew if he spoke with the Almighty today and let me know how he responds. 🙂

  337. Islam is unique in the world. It is an entire way of life. From the spiritual, to how to run your family to how to run a nation, economics, everything. It dictates to the people who fanatically enforce its precepts.

    You do realize you just described every religion and ism throughout history, right? What am I saying, of course not :facepalm:

  338. LOL. Why would I speak about the New Jerusalem? How about the one that has existed for 3,000 years? You’re trying to muddle up a very profound yet simple debate.

    Slow down there, Tex. I was trying to simplify. There are 2 and if you want to discuss the city that is there today and has been since Jesus spoke over it, then that is the one we can discuss. Read whatever version you wish and I will quote the NIV for simplicity sake:

    “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

  339. Polish people have been the ultimate chew tow of modern the modern world. I don’t see them blowing up hospitals in Germany with a rosary in hand.

    Virtually every minority can point to a time when they were abused by someone. It’s the Sneetches. The ones with bellies with stars abuse the ones “with none upon thars”. That is until things change and the star becomes a curse, not a bennie.

    Tex is right about my relative ignorance. For example, I was surprised to learn tonight that intolerance toward Islam has DECREASED over the centuries, with Muhammad being seen in a new light in the 20th century.

    What Tex doesn’t understand is I don’t pretend to be a religious scholar. I speak from my gut and my common sense with the benefit of having received no religious indoctrination at a young age when minds are often shaped irrevocably.

    That by the way is the terrible crime of young Arab children being taught to hate Jews.

  340. Should Iran be chanting death to America 60 years later over it?
    I’m thinking one could make the case that some Americans should be chanting that.

    “God damn America!”- Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

  341. Jews aren’t a race – that’s Hitler speaking. They’re a faith.

    LOL Even an ignoramus like me knows that’s hogwash. Tell a Jew who doesn’t believe in G-d (many of them) that he’s not a Jew. He’ll laugh at you.

    No, I wouldn’t call it a race but it’s a culture that can live independently from a belief in God.

  342. I think an objective observer would say Poolman actually has a better handle on this than Tex. He can probably quote more scripture too.

    But seriously, I’d pay good money to watch them debate. Fortunately I don’t have to. I run this blog so I can watch for free. 😊😊

  343. Where do we impose our decadent, sexualized western values upon them

    Just a thought experiment Tigre: maybe Muslims see western decadance as a threat to all man kind? Maybe they are thinking beyond their own clan? I’m just tossing out the idea, not necessarily advocating it.

  344. If you can’t see from this thread how Trump came about, you’d be a blind doofus.

    R, for the love of God, do your Sneetches analogies have a limit? Unless the Sneetches sawed the heads off Star Bellies or snuck into Star Belly mall and planted bombs to blow up Star Belly women and children, and there’s some moral about how the Sneetches’ religiously motivated murderous rampages are “understandable,” can we give the Sneetches a rest? We get it already.

  345. LOL Even an ignoramus like me knows that’s hogwash. Tell a Jew who doesn’t believe in G-d (many of them) that he’s not a Jew. He’ll laugh at you.

    No, I wouldn’t call it a race but it’s a culture that can live independently from a belief in God.

    It’s incredible how dumb you really are. 🙂 It is, really. Tell me something, scholar. Who is the father of the Jewish “race” and why is he considered the founding member. You don’t have any sense, you Pet Rock. And gut feel is your irritable bowel syndrome because I called out your own little thuggish nature, prick.

    I can see why you would be tuned into believing Poolman on scripture too. The same guy that sees subliminal messages in Simpson reruns, drone insects, and believes the kids shot in CT was just a ruse.

    Right on, Brotha!

  346. Tex has a dial up connection. I’m wired into the server.:smile:

    Yeah. I think that server was the woman down at the unemployment office and the pantry cabinet. Frankly Poolman, Rutherford doesn’t realize this, but you two belong with each other. I think I would rate you two at about the same level of sense, intelligence, and accomplishment. 😛

    Let’s hope Rutherford is better at raising kids. But the chances good little prissy will be a Feel the Bern rube too. It’s almost inescapable with that kind of sordid upbringing. Hopefully like Simone, the grandparents will adopt before it’s too late.

  347. Here Rutherford. Let me use Poolman’s profound stupidity to demonstrate how dumb you both really are…

    So genetics has nothing to do with being a Jew? :areyoufuckingnuts:

    Genetics? Is this the genetic Jew you speak, “Server?”

  348. Speaking of Poolman’s Christian competence, Gut Rutherford, why don’t you read up to my initial comment that started Poolman’s scriptural idiocy and see if he ever contradicted my statement with all that scripture quoting. I want you to note Densi could have pulled a Bible out and copied that same level of response.

    In fact, see if he even addressed it in all that hub bub. On second thought, you’re too dumb to even comprehend it.

    Congratulations on the company you keep, “Scholar.” 😉

  349. Islam cannot tolerate free nations.
    I don’t think I can agree with that statement.

    This confirms what Ive suspected all along. If you don’t not understand this basic truth you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Islam is all about. Show me a free nation under Sharia. You cannot. Freedom is how complacency is born and corruption takes seed. Islam is not just practiced, it is enforced. They test people and make them quote verses. If you don’t know the verses you can be punished up to and including death. Everyone goes out into the streets to pray 5 times a day. Those caught not praying are punished, up to and including death. .Islam. .is. .every. .part. .of. .life. and because of that freedom cannot be allowed because freedom is not part of the Islamic way of life. Life is Islam. Islam is life. This why Islam is unlike any other religion. It is all encompassing.

  350. A person of any race can convert to Judaism, the religion. 90 percent of Jews today are identified as Ashkenazi and trace their heritage back to Turkic converts in the 7th century, and so not a part of the 12 tribes. The original 12 sons (tribes) had 4 mothers. Ethiopian Jews have darker skin and are descended from the tribe of Dan. From wiki:

    Tribe of Dan[edit]
    To prove the antiquity and authenticity of their claims, the Beta Israel cite the 9th-century CE testimony of Eldad ha-Dani (the Danite), from a time before the Zagwean dynasty was established. Eldad was a Jewish man of dark skin who appeared in Egypt and created a stir in that Jewish community (and elsewhere in the Mediterranean Jewish communities he visited) with claims that he had come from a Jewish kingdom of pastoralists far to the south. The only language Eldad spoke was a hitherto unknown dialect of Hebrew. Although he strictly followed the Mosaic commandments, his observance differed in some details from Rabbinic halakhah. Some observers thought that he might be a Karaite, although his practice also differed from theirs. He carried Hebrew books that supported his explanations of halakhah. He cited ancient authorities in the scholarly traditions of his own people.[38]

    Eldad said that the Jews of his own kingdom descended from the tribe of Dan (which included the Biblical war-hero Samson) who had fled the civil war in the Kingdom of Israel between Solomon’s son Rehoboam and Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and resettled in Egypt. From there they moved southwards up the Nile into Ethiopia. The Beta Israel say this confirms that they are descended from these Danites.[39] Some Beta Israel, however, assert that their Danite origins go back to the time of Moses, when some Danites parted from other Jews right after the Exodus and moved south to Ethiopia. Eldad the Danite speaks of at least three waves of Jewish immigration into his region, creating other Jewish tribes and kingdoms. The earliest wave settled in a remote kingdom of the “tribe of Moses”: this was the strongest and most secure Jewish kingdom of all, with farming villages, cities and great wealth.[40] The Mosaic claims of the Beta Israel, in any case, like those of the Zagwe dynasty, are ancient.[41]

  351. This why Islam is unlike any other religion. It is all encompassing.

    Christianity is SUPPOSE to be that way. You are not making coherent points of distinction with your extensive word structures. You have proven yourself much like a fish that cannot see the water surrounding and sustaining it.

  352. He was groomed by the cia and had the full backing of goldman sachs. I don’t think absentee ballots gave him the presidency.

  353. Um, yeah. Heavy.

    I’m not sure why you’re mocking. Your position that we are not imposing western decadence on Muslims implies Muslims only care about Muslims. I’m just suggesting maybe their vision is more expansive.

  354. Hopefully like Simone, the grandparents will adopt before it’s too late.

    No such luck. The grandparents are all dead. I guess “prissy” is doomed.

    P.S. At the tender age of 12, she’s more conservative than either of her parents. Reminds me a bit of Alex P. Keaton but to a lesser degree – no portraits of Nixon in her bedroom. 😊

  355. Hey R, was Star Belly oppression motivated by internal or external forces?

    I’ll answer your bullshit question with a serious answer.

    The preexisting animosity was exploited by Sylvester McMonkey McBean in much the same way as racial animosity is exploited by the Dems and the GOP.

  356. Noah you said something that confused me. Huck asked if you’ve ever lived among those you criticize and you cited Israel. Israel is not a Muslim country so I don’t get your point. In fact, I would think living in Israel is one of the worst ways to get an objective perspective of Islam.

  357. “Noah you said something that confused me. Huck asked if you’ve ever lived among those you criticize and you cited Israel. Israel is not a Muslim country so I don’t get your point. In fact, I would think living in Israel is one of the worst ways to get an objective perspective of Islam.”

    This is exasperating. I spend 3 months out of the year ‘living’ in Israel, not under house arrest. When I travel there I typically either take 10-14 days to get there or I leave 10-14 days early to travel home and I visit countries along the way. I’ve visited Egypt multiple times, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UaE, I even hopped the wall.

  358. Noah your response to me is rooted in changing the original point YOU made. Ya want to talk about exasperation?

    Islam cannot tolerate free nations.

  359. In simple terms even I or a fifth grader can understand:

    We care about our own tribes and families to the exclusion of outsiders. Our concerns are more complex on an international scale, but we try to influence and improve others for our own good as Huck wrote.

    Christians and Muslims share an evangelical tradition of conversion of the heathen for their own benefit and for the good of the religion. One will ultimately prevail, and until that day, little will change.

    The old tribalism has expanded to include nations and ethnic populations, but the impulse is the same.

    Ancestory.com shows I have 2% European Jew in my genetic make up. If Lizzy Warren is an American Indian, I am a Jew.

  360. When Bill and Hillary first got married Bill said, “I am putting a box under the bed. You must promise never to look in it.”

    In all their 30 years of marriage, Hillary never looked. On the afternoon of their 30th anniversary, curiosity got the best of her and she lifted the lid and peeked inside. In the box were 3 empty beer cans and $81,874.25 in cash.

    She closed the box and put it back under the bed. Now that she knew what was in the box, she was doubly curious as to why there even was such a box with such contents. That evening, they were out for a special anniversary dinner. After dinner, Hillary could no longer contain her curiosity and she confessed, saying, “I am so sorry, Bill. For all these years, I kept my promise and never looked into the box under our bed. However, today the temptation was too much and I gave in. But now I need to know, why do you keep the 3 beer cans in the box?”

    Bill thought for a while and said, “I guess after all these years you deserve to know the truth. Whenever I was unfaithful to you, I put an empty beer can in the box under the bed to remind myself not to do it again.” Hillary was shocked, but said, “Hmmm, Jennifer, Paula and Monica. I am very disappointed and saddened by your behavior. However, since you are addicted to sex I guess it does happen and I guess 3 times is not that bad considering your problem.”

    Bill thanked her for being so understanding. They hugged and made their peace. A little while later Hillary asked Bill, “So why do you have all that money in the box?”

    Bill answered: “Well, whenever the box filled up with empty cans, I took them to the recycling center and redeemed them for cash.”

  361. “Noah your response to me is rooted in changing the original point YOU made. Ya want to talk about exasperation?”

    Then you must have misunderstood my original point or not fully grasped what its saying. As the Quran is written, its followers must make this an Islamic world. If they cannot have freedom within its own borders, they certainly cannot have it outside of their borders, right?

  362. They tried to impose their version of humanity onto our old Cro Magnon attitudes and values. Changing inborn is next to impossible.

    “Reach out in the darkness,” they sang, but they only found more darkness, the same darkness we see now.

  363. “I’ll answer your bullshit question with a serious answer.”

    Actually, it’s a “nuanced” question directed at the cause and need to understand jihadis.

    I thought your answer would be “both” and you’d say something to the effect of, “it’s always important to understand your enemies motivations, whether produced by internal or external forces.” Then I was going to deliver you a bullshit question.

    Stop putting the cart ahead of the horse, would ya?

  364. Yay. (sorry, can’t link — this is from a pay site for lawyers).

    “A federal judge in Texas is blocking for now the Obama administration’s directive to U.S. public schools that transgender students must be allowed to use the bathrooms and locker rooms consistent with their chosen gender identity.
    Hundreds of school districts Monday woke up to news of the order by U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor on the first day of class in Texas and elsewhere.
    The decision dated Sunday comes after Texas and 12 other states challenged the Obama directive as unconstitutional during a hearing in Fort Worth last week. It applies to schools nationwide, as many districts reopen this week after the summer vacation.
    Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a Republican, immediately cheered the decision.
    “This president is attempting to rewrite the laws enacted by the elected representatives of the people, and is threating to take away federal funding from schools to force them to conform,” Paxton said. “That cannot be allowed to continue, which is why we took action to protect states and school districts.”
    The federal government told U.S. public schools in May that transgender students must be allowed to use bathrooms and locker rooms consistent with their chosen gender identity. That announcement came days after the Justice Department sued North Carolina over a state law that requires people to use public bathrooms that correspond with the sex on their birth certificate, which U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch had likened to policies of racial segregation. Republicans have argued such laws are commonsense privacy safeguards.
    Schools were not explicitly told to comply or lose federal funds. But the Obama administration also didn’t rule out that possibility in court documents filed in July, saying recipients of federal education dollars “are clearly on notice” that antidiscrimination polices must be followed. Texas alone gets roughly $10 billion in federal education funds.
    The lawsuit was filed in May by Texas, Alabama, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Utah and Georgia, and the Republican governors of Maine, Mississippi and Kentucky. Two small school districts in Arizona and Texas, which have fewer than 600 students combined and no transgender persons on their campuses, also joined the effort to prevent the directive from being enforced.”

  365. Thread communication is essentially a very literal form of communication. That being said since Islamic countries enter into treaties and free trade with “free” nations I don’t think it can be said they can’t tolerate free nations. Interesting did bit one of the USA’s first and longest standing treaties was with an Islamic entity,Morocco.
    If we’re to discuss the different matter of whether Muslims tolerate,embrace or enjoy freedom in their own nations that’s a different matter entirely.

    As the Quran is written, its followers must make this an Islamic world. If they cannot have freedom within its own borders, they certainly cannot have it outside of their borders, right?

    When I read lines like that I can’t help but get a whiff of Judeo-Christian hypocrisy and jealousy.

  366. That being said since Islamic countries enter into treaties and free trade with “free” nations I don’t think it can be said they can’t tolerate free nations. ”

    Islamic countires certainly can and have played a normal role in the international community partly because the international community gives them a free pass on things like gender apartheid. South Africa was ostracized in ways Saudi Arabia will never be.

    Can they be modern people in the Western sense? Not at all once they have the numbers. Hence, immigration of these people in a numbers that put them above 10% is cultural suicide.

    The exception of course is when Islam is diluted because it never solidified itself in the first place, ie hybrid stuff like the Sufis of Pakistan, Oozo drinkers of Albania, forced secularism of Turkey, Druz etc. The key here is fundamentalism was pushed back, not embraced like Obama thought would be a good thing. As if the Islamic Brotherhood types can be lasting partners in a stable world!

    Yes, they don’t have the resources to becone hermit nations. No, they aren’t capable of being a modern culture as long as Islamic movements exist.

    As long as Stinkbeards insist on being Stinkbeards, globalism and multiculturalism my ass. And we will need to make war on motherfuckers. What we can’t be is accepting or understanding of their savagery.

  367. “When I read lines like that I can’t help but get a whiff of Judeo-Christian hypocrisy and jealousy.”

    I hope one day that when you make statements like this you also gain the ability to illustrate your point. Until then it will continue to be dismissed out of hand. Worthy of note and I am certain you have experienced this in your daily life, the bad actions of others do not justify bad actions on your part.

    Going on 3 months of a terrorist attack every 58 hours. Don’t believe me, read the news.

    http://nypost.com/2016/08/22/child-suicide-bomber-stripped-of-explosives-arrested-in-iraq/

  368. Until then it will continue to be dismissed out of hand.
    Because you are bereft of intellectual honesty is why it is dismissed out of hand.
    the bad actions of others do not justify bad actions on your part.
    That statement makes no sense.

    That a jihadist and some simple fuck going through the day by day & Five Pillars are somehow synonymous is just not reconcilable.The proof of that is in the numbers that show very devout Muslims are overwhelmingly the number one victims of jihadist extremists.
    It is also true that even the most thorough Islamic Theocracy,I let you pick it,is diametrically opposed to Daesh for example.
    Do I really need to provide to an alleged educated person links,Facebook videos and YouTube montages to prove that? If so you need to get out more.

  369. @ dead rabbit
    South Africa was ostracized in ways Saudi Arabia will never be.
    That is very very true. Oil is indeed the Devils Excrement. I’ve also enjoyed looking at the Arab angle in the Cold War. My better half’s family is South African.
    Can they be modern people in the Western sense?
    Actually they can and you answered it quite well regards fundamentalism. One of the reasons Saudi Arabia deserves vast amounts of scorn since they are the primary exporters of Wahhabism. They support its export to protect the House which is telling.
    What we can’t be is accepting or understanding of their savagery.
    Contrary to whatever Noah thinks of me I fully agree with this point. Fundamentalist terror groups need to be tracked down and eliminated. Immigration needs to be conducted with a strong national interest & security component. Secularism is the strongest antidote to the toxicity of the opiate known as religion,especially in a democracy.

  370. “That a jihadist and some simple fuck going through the day by day & Five Pillars are somehow synonymous is just not reconcilable.”

    Take jihad and put it on the back burner.

    It’s simple fuck that is the problem. He keeps to his own when a minority, treats his kin like a savage. When simple fuck gets the numbers, he starts demanding others be savages. When these demands fall on deaf ears, his son becomes a jihadist.

  371. FWIW I don’t think a country with a long heritage of X can deal with an influx of Y&Z especially if assimilation is thwarted by either ignorance or leftist multiculturalist policy.
    Just in case someone thinks I’m at the end of my driveway dressed as Lady Liberty with a sign that says give me your terrorists,haters and scumbags.

  372. Members of an alien culture and religion are polluting the Judeo- Christian society which has contributed to the well being of more people in the history of civilization. Of course not all are dangerous, but enough are that we face cultural and religious extinction over time. Progressives driven by unknown motives are lying to us. For example, the Muslim fencer was praised as a wonderful American and an example of the contribution believers of Islam can give to our country. She is anti semetic.

  373. “Until then it will continue to be dismissed out of hand.
    Because you are bereft of intellectual honesty is why it is dismissed out of hand.”

    You made an outlandish claim without showing in anyway how it was true.

    “the bad actions of others do not justify bad actions on your part.
    That statement makes no sense.”

    The last handholding you get. You defended Islam by pointing to what Christians had done in the past as if that were relevant today. Each action has to be put in its proper historical context and should be judged on its own merit. Looking at Christians from 1000 years ago and comparing them with todays morality to todays Muslims offers no meaningful insight. It is a dishonest comparison.

  374. You defended Islam by pointing to what Christians had done in the past as if that were relevant today.
    OMG don’t be retarded! I did no such thing!
    After you moved the global foreign policy goal and went all Spencer Caliphate with:

    As the Quran is written, its followers must make this an Islamic world. If they cannot have freedom within its own borders, they certainly cannot have it outside of their borders, right?

    I said:
    When I read lines like that I can’t help but get a whiff of Judeo-Christian hypocrisy and jealousy.
    I followed up with comments that were pretty clear. The past has NOTHING to do with what I’m talking about.

  375. Lets look at rape laws.
    Yes you can find many cases of Westerners raped and even having consensual sex in public in Muslim countries who are arrested. You can regale us with stories like my friend who was boomeranged out of Saudi Arabia for being drunk at the airport.
    What’s your point?

  376. You know I really can’t stand discussing things with people who purport to be educated yet conveniently deny reality.
    You said:
    followers
    If you think you can’t find on any given Sabbath either Jews or Christians who aren’t talking up stricter adherence to the Word,walking straighter Paths and crap about freedom and life in this world and the next what am I supposed to do for you…

  377. Here’s an interesting thought experiment…
    What two countries are most involved in the creation of the Taliban and the radicalizing of people in Southwest Asia?

  378. “Yes you can find many cases of Westerners raped and even having consensual sex in public in Muslim countries who are arrested.”

    Consensual sex in public would get you arrested in THIS country. Rape and consensual sex do not belong in the same sentence on this subject.

    ““That a jihadist and some simple fuck going through the day by day & Five Pillars are somehow synonymous is just not reconcilable.””

    The person being raped is being imprisoned even though they are not a citizen of that nation or a part of their religion. This is another shining example of why Islam is incompatible with the rest of the world. These are those day by day people going about their business that you were referring to.

    Examples over insults is the preferred choice, do as you will. I think we will all understand when you fail to produce.

  379. Christianity is SUPPOSE to be that way.

    Render into Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. Can anyone find me something comparable in the Koran? Perhaps they can explain to me how Sharia Law and the secular law of the Constitution can coincide together?

    Better yet, how about something comparable from old, illiterate Mo and “Gabriel” {snort} that says something along the lines of this:

    Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

    This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

    How about you, Server? You seem to be a “religious authority” according to the Doctrine of Rutherford {snort snort}.

  380. What happens to a country when its imports a colonizer force or hostile invader? In Dr. Peter Hammond’s book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, he explains that as Muslim populations grow, so do demands for special accommodation to Sharia. When Muslims number less than two percent of the population, as they do in the U.S. now, they’re generally peaceful and tolerant. As the Muslim population grows, however, so do the demands (as we’re seeing now): for halal meat, Sharia courts, and more.

    As the Muslim population grows, so does violent intimidation and lawlessness–an example being the Sharia-ruled areas all over Europe, where the governing authorities have essentially lost control. After Muslim populations reach 20%, we see rioting, jihad militias, church burnings, and worse–and once it reaches 40%, there are massacres and frequent jihad terror attacks, as we have seen in recent years in Bosnia, Chad, and Lebanon.

    Beyond that, when Muslims are the majority, there is Sharia-based discrimination against and persecution of non-Muslims, and sometimes even genocide of non-Muslims, as we have seen in Bangladesh and elsewhere, which may be coming in Egypt and Syria today.

    Hammond predicted that after the Muslim population reaches twenty percent, “nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues.” In the U.K. today we see almost parallel societies: no go zones, forced marriages, clitoridectomies. So what will the fact that already one in ten British children are Muslims? What does that mean for an increasingly Islamized England?

    We already see the most devout and extreme Muslims coming out of the U.K. and waging jihad in Syria. The new survey also says that the percentage of Muslims younger than five is almost double that of non-Muslims, while Muslims over 85 years old are fewer than one in 200: a vivid illustration of how rapidly Britain is being Islamized.

  381. Your last is all over the place Noah. I’m comfortable with how people read me and you.
    Apparently I need to ask if you’re aware that every nation on the Earth including the USA detains,arrests and imprisons noncitizens.
    Everything I have cooking here is substantiated by anyone.
    You ponying up the answers to the 2 country query???

  382. Just a little tidbit for the “we need to kill them all” crowd to think about.

    So far the rate of attrition is far less than the rate of production. So if all we’re planning to do is kill ’em all, we’re never going to get on top of the situation. We’ll just be spinning our wheels.

    We need to look a lot deeper at what is going on to produce an Islamic terrorist. It’s not just about the book, otherwise there would be 1.6 billion of them. Part of that is conceding that things we do are part of that production process. Whether they are a large or small part is up for debate, but our actions and policies play a part.

    And those might be the most important parts for us to look at because they the parts we can actually affect–if we choose to.

  383. I keep hearing that we are launching a propaganda war to change hearts and minds of Muslims not yet radicalized but close. I personally don’t believe we’re making any real effort in that direction.

    First you make them animals, then you kill them. On my worst days on this blog I’ve called (h/t to Ted Cruz) for carpet bombing the entire region. This is born of frustration and anger. It’s not a rational solution.

    Huck is right. Short of dropping the Trump nuke, we cannot kill them all. We have to work with sensible Muslims to promote a civilized alternative to these pissed off radicals.

  384. Not sure how I Can be anymore clear Alfie, I will assume that is a concession of the point AND no examples of Christian hypocrisies are forthcoming.

    Tex is spot on, the formula is always the same.
    1) Establish a Mosque
    2) Create an enclave
    3) Grow the population
    4) Resist the national authorities
    5) Institute a Sharia Constitution.
    6) Secede
    7) Form their own Muslim country

    This was done in Afghanistan (Buddhist) Pakistan (Hindu), and Lebanon (Christian)

    “Just a little tidbit for the “we need to kill them all” crowd to think about.”

    That is no one here that I have seen.

    “It’s not just about the book, otherwise there would be 1.6 billion of them. ”

    Hundreds of millions of them are radicalized by this book.

    The Trump nuke, like the kill them all group, only exists in the minds of the radical left unreasonably imposed on the right. Going to the furthest extreme seems to be the only argument they can make.

  385. A person standing in the ocean doesn’t need to be told water is wet,he knows it and admits it. I put forth my case and you’ve chosen to cowardly lie about the universally known and accepted. That isn’t a win for you.
    Also on display for all to read is how you yet again dishonestly steered the conversation away from the original point.
    Lastly you smugly ramble and when Huck makes EXACTLY the point EVERYONE knows you’re on about you again pussy up and play the pseudo intellectual word salad douche.
    To this you will of course ignore and blather about name calling and then do a victory lap in your feeble mind.

    And BTW the two countries that singlehandedly gave birth to the modern jihadist movement that plagues us now….United States of America and Pakistan.

  386. Render into Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s. Can anyone find me something comparable in the Koran?

    Or how about something from the Old Testament? Or the Talmud? This is from the New Testament and spoken by Jesus when the Jews tried to trick Him. The same Jesus who is also honored as a prophet of God in the Koran. Not so in Judaism

  387. And BTW the two countries that singlehandedly gave birth to the modern jihadist movement that plagues us now….United States of America and Pakistan.

    I was half right. I figured you would say USA but I thought the second would be USSR based on the whole mujahideen thing.

  388. “We’ve been lectured that Islam is a religion of peace but by God we better not draw satirize/depict muhammed anywhere on the planet or we will bring have brought violence upon ourselves.”

    Not by me. And if that’s all you think it takes to create an Islamic terrorist then you’re missing a lot of the point (while also helping to make it).

    “That is no one here that I have seen.”

    Look again.

    “It would better not to kill them, but our enemies and we will be at each others’ throats until one is utterly defeated and destroyed.”

    And that’s just what I could remember.

  389. Then you get on with Paul again from the New Testament – he wrote most of it, as a matter of fact. The Koran has many similar concepts as found in much of Paul’s writing. It says an unjust ruler should not be physically overthrown as in rebellion, rather God will deal with him. Sort of the ‘vengeance is mine, says the Lord.’

  390. “the kill them all group, only exists in the minds of the radical left unreasonably imposed on the right. Going to the furthest extreme seems to be the only argument they can make.”

    Noah, what do you propose, then, to address this?

    “The world cannot coexist with Islam as it is written, not because we are intolerant but because they are. Everywhere Islam is spreading we are seeing evidence of this. The majority are not going to change for us, they are going to demand we conform to them. They will die and take as many of us with them as they can for their beliefs.”

    If your position is not that they all need to be killed then what is your position?

  391. “A person standing in the ocean doesn’t need to be told water is wet,he knows it and admits it. I put forth my case and you’ve chosen to cowardly lie about the universally known and accepted. That isn’t a win for you.”

    I don’t care what excuse you give to not perform, only that you decide not to. I never consider it a win when someone decides to make a strategic retreat, I just acknowledged it.

    “Lastly you smugly ramble and when Huck makes EXACTLY the point EVERYONE knows you’re on about you again pussy up and play the pseudo intellectual word salad douche.”

    Its interesting how the radical left informs others what they think rather than ask them and then calls them a liar when they disagree with what these radicals tell them they think. Perfect little circle of broken logic.

  392. Huck, a good start would be stopping the free pass Islamic society gets on college campuses by students and professors alike.

    The Social Justice Warriors stay mum.

  393. Before you keep serving Noah I think he should pony up some ID. I would really hate to see Rutherford’s licker license revoked. 😆

  394. Our healthcare system takes out 700,000 americans every year. The alphabet agencies are going to have to ramp up inciting the jihadist agenda in order to compete. 🙂

  395. “Its interesting how the radical left informs others what they think rather than ask them ”

    If you don’t like that then maybe reconsider condescension like this:

    “I’ve addressed this ad nauseam but I guess what is one more time.”

    As I’ve said ad nauseum, I don’t have enough time or interest to read every comment here.

    “Huck, a good start would be stopping the free pass Islamic society gets on college campuses by students and professors alike.”

    I agree. I don’t like the practices of either party mentioned when it comes to silencing opposing views, which is how those free passes get created. But that doesn’t do anything to address the issue abroad, which I would argue influences the domestic instances a lot more than our college campuses.

    “Kill the military, remove their ability to wage war, contain and keep them contained until they sort out their own mess.”

    Contained how? I’m not trying to lead you, I’m asking what you think.

  396. Once you remove their ability to wage war, you keep them in their country. This is still a war, one our CiC refuses to recognize. The middle east can be contained with the proper coalition. Any combination of a number of players between Jordan, Israel, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Russia along with our traditional allies not geographically in the area to police the borders. Immediate quelling of uprisings and/or attempts to train and rearm. We move from war to policing.

  397. “Kill the military, remove their ability to wage war, contain and keep them contained until they sort out their own mess.”

    I honestly don’t know how this differs drastically from Obama’s professed strategy.

  398. Its interesting how the radical left informs others what they think rather than ask them …

    Since this was directed at Alfie, I’m friggin confused. Noah, do you understand Alfie is not a leftist?

  399. Before you keep serving Noah I think he should pony up some ID.
    I’ve thought that a couple of times regarding Noah. 😀😀

    I’m over 35, under 50, I think I qualify.

    Kill the military, remove their ability to wage war, contain and keep them contained until they sort out their own mess.”

    I honestly don’t know how this differs drastically from Obama’s professed strategy.

    We live in a different reality. Obama has set rules of engagement that tie the hands of our military. He has kowtowed to Russia. Not to mention that he has made us the largest funder of state sponsored terrorism in the world.

  400. The same Jesus who is also honored as a prophet of God in the Koran.

    What does the New Testament say again about Jesus being “honored” as a prophet again, “fraud?” In fact, those Jews who you love to condemn as Jesus’ killers, were in fact singled out with Christ’s loudest condemnation for making such claims, Server. Called them a brood of vipers.

    I don’t believe Jesus considers it an “honor” for being called “prophet,” Scholar.

    And what does it say in the New Testament about what will happen to Ishmael’s progeny again, Server? Here’s a hint. It ends up a whole lot better for the Jews. 😉

  401. I’m thinking near 63,000 feet on that circumference. That makes it 3.8 miles thick allowing 3 feet per each upright figure adding a 10 percent prone factor. I may be light on the prone factor. 🙂

  402. We need to look a lot deeper at what is going on to produce an Islamic terrorist. It’s not just about the book, otherwise there would be 1.6 billion of them.

    Hitler never received more than a 1/3 of the German vote. It’s doubtful all Japanese viewed the Shinto religion favorably.

    American policies could have been blamed for ill feelings by both Germany in WWI and WWII. In addition to Imperial Japan made the same claims. We didn’t discriminate when we decimated Berlin, nor Hiroshima. Leveled them.

    Why should hostile Muslim nations be gifted with a greater degree of tolerance?

  403. I honestly don’t know how this differs drastically from Obama’s professed strategy.

    I honestly don’t know how Obama or his apologists for failure (like you) can tell me how the Obama/Hillary team’s removal of Hosni Mubarak or Moammar Quaddafi differed much from George Bush’s strategy of removing Saddam.

    P.S. – about 75% of American military deaths in Afghanistan occurred under the watch of Barack Obama, who the media (and you) have been strangely silent lost the “good war.”

  404. I don’t believe Jesus considers it an “honor” for being called “prophet,” Scholar.

    And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” – Matthew 13:57

    When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” – Matthew 21:10,11

    Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. He was amazed at their lack of faith.

    Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. He was amazed at their lack of faith. – Mark 6:4-6

    “Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. – Luke 4:24

    To me, Jesus is Lord. He is before all things and in Him all things consist. He is also my Advocate with the Heavenly Father and my daily Guide through this realm. Prophet is a title of honor and even Paul’s writings agree. Jesus came to serve and teach us how to serve each other. How is your servitude coming along? 😛

  405. To me, Jesus is Lord. He is before all things and in Him all things consist. He is also my Advocate with the Heavenly Father and my daily Guide through this realm. Prophet is a title of honor and even Paul’s writings agree.

    Even somebody as ignorant as Rutherford should be able to see right through this bunch of crap. And no, Paul never as much once says calling Jesus “a prophet” is an honor. In fact, Paul calls it false testimony and demonic.

    As to my servitude, I’ll only compare my own children with your children. 😛 Feel the Bern in the multi-generational welfare rolls. I can see where she’s as fan.

  406. Imagine for a moment a person who views the Bible as at most, flawed history and at least a collection of parables, a morality play of sorts.

    To such a person, this is what Tex and Poolman’s debate looks like.

  407. What a dingus! I did not write Paul said calling Jesus a prophet was an honor. He said some people in the church are called to be prophets, and that it was a spiritual gift and an honor to be used in service of others.

    You are not reading all the words as they appear. If you would, it might fill those gaps in your thinking. As to your dare to compare, I don’t think you have a clue how Paul’s words actually translate into a real pattern for living.

  408. “Not by me. And if that’s all you think it takes to create an Islamic terrorist then you’re missing a lot of the point (while also helping to make it).”

    Yeah. That’s what I said. 🙄

    Don’t bother.

  409. Whoa. The release of Hillary’s emails, wiped like with a cloth, are being held out as evidence that she sold access and influence. Obviously, that is a right wing narrative. She would never do such a thing.

    Obama’s endorsement would never go to someone he thought lacked ethics and varacity.

    So… this should be ignored too.

    What’s Trump said today? That’s what’s important.

  410. I just find it ironic, Poolman, that to demonstrate Rutherford perhaps as mentally ill as you, Rutherford finds you an authentic source of Christian Apologetics. 😆 😆

    Especially in conjunction with the CT kid’s deaths being one in a line of secret conspiracies…

    Rutherford is not particularly refined at connecting dots, but to be fair, I often underestimate Rutherford’s deficiencies.

  411. Well Tex look at it this way. The difference I see between believing Noah (not our Noah) put two of every species in an ark, and believing Sandy Hook never happened is that the first is benign fantasy and the second rather sinister.

    I can tell you why I think Poolman has a better handle on the debate you’re having. I think Poolman approaches religion with the same “childlike wonder” that he approaches most things – he suspends disbelief, buys in 100% and knows the details. One thing about conspiracy theorists, they are sticklers for details. You, on the other hand, have the student’s knowledge of religion. You can cite passages and speak with authority as you do on most subjects but deep down I don’t think your heart is in it. I’m guessing you’ve struggled your whole life with faith because you’re smart, and very very cynical and this stuff really doesn’t come naturally to you at all. This is your soft spot – and I’ve promised before to stop poking at you on it but I just can’t seem to help myself. Others on this blog could prattle on about religion ad nauseam and I wouldn’t say a peep. For some reason, you get under my skin on the subject. The fault no doubt is mine. I know for a fact we have one thing in common – we are both terrified of death. Maybe I’m jealous that you’ve found a way to be at peace with it and I haven’t?

    P.S. Never go to a Walmart on “50% off day”. 🙂

  412. You can cite passages and speak with authority as you do on most subjects but deep down I don’t think your heart is in it. I’m guessing you’ve struggled your whole life with faith because you’re smart, and very very cynical and this stuff really doesn’t come naturally to you at all. This is your soft spot – and I’ve promised before to stop poking at you on it but I just can’t seem to help myself. Others on this blog could prattle on about religion ad nauseam and I wouldn’t say a peep. For some reason, you get under my skin on the subject.

    The fact I get under the unbeliever’s skin only fortifies the strengths of my arguments. It’s why it gets under your skin. Poolman, a nut, can easily be explained away as he is a fool, not terribly bright, probably mentally ill, and more often than not, a buffoon. Poolman is the perfect caricature for you to convey the strength of your own unbelief.

    You’ve made many inaccurate observations in that one paragraph. The most glaring is somehow you’ve been led to believe my faith is somehow child like and it is the intellectual part which struggles. You’ve got it backwards.

    My faith, Mr. Rutherford, is anything blind – and in fact, it is why I find you so willingly blind.

    For instance, do you recognize the Bible never attempts to prove “there is a God?” It’s simply assumed. Anybody grounded in science immediately realizes a couple of things if they are honest: (1) There are no physical constructs to explain away the universe – and there never will be; (2) The simple mathematical probability of everything random coming together is frankly mathematically impossible, even at the atomic level. The ordered creation of this known universe couldn’t be more obvious in my estimation. I could provide a thousand examples, from physics to biology, and it would’t scratch the surface as to the reasons.

    That is the reason most of the world believes in some type of Creator. I believe it is innate to understand as much. You’ve had to both work and been taught to believe the way you do. You’ve got to be willingly blind and rebellious to conclude as you do.

    The difficulty is the faith and you are right, it doesn’t come naturally. See, you were correct without knowing it that even the Bible speaks of coming to Jesus as a small child – on faith. That’s the hard part. I want to “intellectualize” the entire thing through my own works to earn my way, and to believe I’m both capable of understanding the mystery and reasoning the mystery. But that is antithetical to the belief of a real Christian and true Christianity.

  413. LOL. I haven’t been to a walmart in years.

    Yes Tex, there is irony involved here. I’m certain it will be evident when all else shakes out.

    And he [Jesus] said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

  414. “Whoa. The release of Hillary’s emails, wiped like with a cloth, are being held out as evidence that she sold access and influence.”

    This has been going on for a few days. I didn’t bother mentioning it because R and his ilk have done too good a job making sure all of the wrong people are in place to ensure we no longer have a functioning justice system. The blindfold has been removed and justice is targeted against the enemies of the state and it protects its members. The surest sign our nation is in a perpetual state of decline and those in power are looting the coffers on their way out thus the billions/trillions of unaccounted for cash.

  415. I watched Carville this morning on MSNBC. I guess he’s been called out for damage control. But I do find him amusing.

    Carville’s defense? “Neither Bill nor Hillary took one thin dime from the clinton foundation. Not one.” Or something to that effect.

    I promise that’ll work with the typical MSNBC viewer. If it was the “Obama Foundation” Rutherford lean back and bark like a seal.

  416. Great source name, Poolman, but I can tell you I had no part in it, as it inaccurate in context…

    Children are pure in mind and deed.

    I would have thought being a parent yourself, you would have recognized how false a conclusion this is.

    Children are innocent. They’re anything but pure…don’t believe me, go to a nursery and watch their actions sharing.

  417. The footer headline on the tv screen during MoJo reads “Trump paints grim picture of inner city life”. WTF???? What does BLM do on a regular basis? What did Rabbits night time video show? If that wasn’t grim, what the fuck is?

    The lie being propagated is that Trump is calling all blacks ghetto. Ehhh he isn’t. He’s talking about poor blacks. I feel a new post brewing. 😡

  418. Just for info: the lead story on MoJo this morning was HRC pay for access. Her missteps have become so abominable that even the lib press cannot ignore them.

    Side note: Huma Abadine (sp) is becoming a burden. Apparently she was involved, however tangentially, with a controversial Muslim publication. She also collected two paychecks from WH and CGI. She’s also nose-deep in the influence peddling.

  419. She’s also married to your old hero and twisted pervert, Mr. Weiner. 🙂 That’s got to be three strikes…

  420. I’m convinced she’s a lesbian. I don’t feel like finding the quote but the way she describes her first meeting with HRC is not, shall we say, professional.

  421. “You know these things that happen in your life that just stick? She walked by and she shook my hand and our eyes connected and I just remember having this moment where I thought, ‘Wow, this is amazing.’ ”

    “And it just inspired me. You know, I still remember the look on her face. And it’s funny, and she would probably be so annoyed that I say this, but I remember thinking; ‘Oh my God, she’s so beautiful and she’s so little!’ “

  422. There are no physical constructs to explain away the universe

    Tex, why do you suppose we keep looking for one, then? Why don’t we just save a lot of money and say God created the whole thing? And on a related point, if God creating the universe is a given, then will God someday destroy his creation? Is that Armageddon? If God destroys the Earth, will he also destroy the sun and all the planets and all the other suns and their planets? Or do you believe that matter is neither created nor destroyed but transformed – and if so, what role does God play in that?

  423. Obama’s endorsement would never go to someone he thought lacked ethics and varacity.

    Hillary must know where Obama’s bodies are buried. His full throated endorsement of her baffles me. I understand simple support of his party’s nominee but he has gone a bit overboard.

  424. Noah, D’Souza contradicts himself, He claims blacks swarmed to the Dem party in the 1930’s to enjoy the benefits of FDR’s New Deal – BUT he also says those benefits were not, by design, extended to blacks in the first place.

    So which was it?

  425. That is not a contradiction it is a historical fact. It was not impossible for them to get, just harder. Once Democrats saw that because of this (he mentions this) they could capture the black votes, they made it easier for them to sign on.

  426. Until you refute it Rutherford, rather than offering side commentary then going into full retreat mode, I stand unchallenged and right. The above video as an example of your lack of substance and tactics are why I have mostly give up on any kind of debate and switched to moving in factual information to blow out your narrative and then returning to my world.

  427. RUTHERFORD
    That is technically correct but only in a shallow one dimensional manner. Kind of like the whole revisionist tilt of Dems & Rvepubs and Dixiecrats.
    The colossal shift between the election of 1928 and 1933 isn’t owed only to blacks.1932 EVERYONE WENT (D)
    Also the New Deal although of some benefit to blacks had serious limitations.

    Anyway this site is interesting to look at for the election results. Pay special attention to the classic “shift” elections. Get a feel for the demographics as they relate to the turnout. Doesn’t really hold the water folks want you to believe.
    I will say this. Policy wise the (D)s have a terrible history towards blacks however if you look at the roll calls of the 1957 and 1964 Civil Rights bills you see that a case can be made that it wasn’t that Dems or GOPers were racists its that the white guys were fucking racist.
    As for the Dixiecrats converting en masse to the GOP that is in fact a lie perpetrated and all too often repeated by the Dems. Ultimately their party affiliation had little to do with their devotion to racism.