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Democratic Convention 2016

Day 4

Black Cop Lives Matter

The first thing that caught my eye on Day 4 was a sheriff who called for a moment of silence to honor fallen officers. The moment was interrupted by an asshole screaming “black lives matter”. What happened next was a beautiful thing. Two black women in a row spoke to pay tribute to their husbands, policemen killed in the line of duty – and BLACK. A nice retort to the disruptive and misguided BLM contingent. Black lives mattering and police lives mattering is clearly not mutually exclusive.

The Clinton Kid

Just as all of Donald Trump’s adult kids spoke at last week’s GOP convention, on Day 4 of the Dem convention we were treated to the Clinton kid, Chelsea. I come to this with a bit of bias because in my former life in corporate America I became aware of Chelsea’s tenure at McKinsey (a consulting firm) and the scuttlebutt was that she was quite difficult to work with. That said, let’s get back to her address. I had never seen her speak at length before so I was pleased when she started. She had humor. Her delivery was calm and paced. But then I noticed it seemed almost too calm. She almost seemed to be under a spell. She reminded me of animatronic department store dummies, as her head slowly moved back and forth between teleprompters. Then I put my finger on why she seemed so odd. She reminded me of the brainwashed veterans in “The Manchurian Candidate” who were programmed to praise one of their fellow soldiers, a man who was actually a total prick. I couldn’t resist a tweet:

She’s an odd bird. According to Dick Morris, former advisor to Bill, it was Bill who was most involved with her childhood, not Hillary.

Another President Clinton

Hillary’s acceptance speech was met with low expectations because historically the acceptance speech pales in comparison to the ra-ra-sisboomba speeches that come before it in the first three days. That said, OMFG!!! The thing seemed to go on forever! Hillary does not have Obama’s gift of delivery. As the pundits put it, she speaks in prose, not poetry. I hate to admit I literally dosed in the middle of it and woke up in time for the ending. The speech was completely forgettable. I have trouble coming up with a single quote that will stand on its own historically. She tied Trump’s fear mongering to FDR’s “the only thing we have to fear …” quote. That was a nice touch. She reached out to Bernie voters. Not bad. But otherwise, the speech seemed poorly structured. I felt no narrative arc. She repeatedly cleared her throat, just adding to rumors she’s not in the best of shape. In fact, she looked quite tired half way through the address. Protesters, God bless them, tried to disrupt the speech but were drowned out by shouts of “Hill-a-ry” and “USA”.

This was an uninspired speech by an uninspiring candidate. This speech and the entire convention were marred by the cynical view that making history with a woman President is more important than taking into account her checkered past. November will be a coin flip. Donald got lucky to be running against the only American almost as unpopular as he is. There will be no good outcome in November. The President will either be someone who has no business anywhere near the Oval office or someone who brings so much baggage and such questionable judgment that four years of scandal are almost guaranteed.

Day 3

Courage and Kleenex

Every time I see Gabby Giffords I am amazed at her tenacity and courage. Giffords who was shot in the head by a crazed gunman has regained most of her ability to walk and speak. I focus on her grit and ignore her inexplicable support of Hillary Clinton. She was introduced by her husband, a former service member and astronaut. It doesn’t get much more patriotic than that.

It’s been almost 4 years since 20 precious children lost their lives to a lunatic scumbag with a gun-happy mother, who, for God knows what reason, thought it a good idea to take her little monster to the shooting range. Four years later I still cannot see photos of those kids without totally losing it. When Erica Smegielski, the daughter of the murdered Sandy Hook Elementary principal spoke, I fast forwarded through it. I just can’t take it. What Democrats refuse to say and Republicans already know is that the only solution to our gun problem is confiscation. That is never going to happen.

Uncle Joe

Whenever you mention Joe Biden to a conservative you are reminded of his plagiarism scandal that short-circuited his presidential campaign almost 30 years ago. That’s about the best they can do in condemning Uncle Joe. Believe it or don’t believe it, Biden comes across as the guy who lives next door to you. He is warm. He is corny as hell. He is inappropriate (remember Barack being “well spoken”). On Day 3, Joe told the audience to shut up and listen. Then he gave the most simple condemnation of Donald Trump imaginable. Do we really want a leader whose signature catch-phrase is “you’re fired”? Biden ended his speech with what should be the Democratic campaign slogan from now until November: “Come on! We’re America!”

Persuasion from an Independent

Former New York Mayor, former Republican and always billionaire, Mike Bloomberg made a plea to independents and Republicans to reject Trump. What made his speech persuasive was his status as a businessman in Trump’s league (if not richer) who could bust the myth that Donald was somehow self-made and successful by normal business ethical standards. Not the most dynamic speaker, Mike still may have given the fence-sitters some second thoughts about the Donald.

The VEEP

It seems nearly impossible to dislike Tim Kaine as a person. He seems friendly, kind and service-oriented. He does nothing to make Hillary look more progressive. He’s vanilla ice cream which is exactly what Hillary wants since she’s doing enough damage control already. His speech was 50% ripped off from his Miami speech last Saturday when he was first introduced. The last half was devoted to dissing Trump but clearly dissing is not Tim’s strength. He’s just a nice guy. Oh, and he speaks fluent Spanish.

POTUS

Barack Obama is a living breathing Rorschach test. Some see him as an arrogant, narcissistic, not terribly bright, petty bastard propped up by racially obsessed liberals. Others see him as an intelligent, articulate, kind, deliberative leader who has seen the country through tough times. There is no convincing either side of the others perception. I fall somewhere in the middle. Bottom line, if you reside in the first group, there was NOTHING Obama could say last night that would impress. Those that hate the man can barely watch him. If you fall in the latter group, Obama hit the ball out of the park with his Day 3 speech. Without mentioning his name, Obama called out Trump as a “demagogue” to be rejected in the same breath with Communists and Jihadists. He explicitly named Trump as a man devoid of plans or facts. He suggested that Americans will reject Trump because they don’t want a dictator. This made me chuckle since I know most of my readers consider Obama a dictator. Obama further asserted that Trump had hijacked the Republican party – that the GOP convention last week was neither Republican nor conservative.

His attack on Trump was far more effective than his over-the-top endorsement of Hillary. For the most part, while speaking in grand terms, Obama gave a boiler-plate recommendation that we’ve heard time and time again. She has always advocated for children. She worked hard for First Responders in the wake of 9/11 as New York Senator. She helped make the call to take out Bin Laden when she was Secretary of State. We’ve heard it all before. When he referred to her good judgment, I threw up in my mouth a little. Then came the whopper – Hillary Clinton is more qualified to be President than any other candidate in history including Barack and Bill. Well she may be more qualified than Barack and Bill – but Thomas Jefferson? My only response to Barack would be a variation of Biden’s rallying cry, “Come on! We’re America! We are not stupid!”

Day 2

A Moving Moment During Roll Call

Convention roll calls are priceless for their corniness. Each state bragging about itself before announcing the votes they cast for the various candidates. One unlikely delegation brought tears to my eyes. Democrats Abroad had its votes announced by Larry Sanders, Bernie’s brother who resides in the UK. Larry paid tribute to Bernie by reminding him how proud their parents, who died young, would be of him. It was hard to watch the two brothers well up and not get a bit weepy yourself.

The Mixed Message Mothers

Several mothers of black “victims” of shootings appeared on stage together. Apparently Hillary has met with these women and won their support. The problem is that one shooting is not the same as another and this set of mothers presents a very mixed message. Sandra Black mysteriously died in a jail cell, a supposed suicide, but the facts didn’t add up and the incarceration was triggered by a stupid traffic stop gone wrong. Her mother was the first to speak. Then a mother of a boy shot for playing his music too loud was the next to speak. From memory, I don’t recall this being a police-related incident. Then, heaven help us, the mother of Trayvon Martin spoke last. Trayvon is the gangsta-wannabe that pushed the black lives matter movement into high gear. Again, this was not a police related shooting. Worse, the photo of Trayvon shown on stage was the same misleading photo of a 13ish year old boy that we saw when the story broke — not the 17 year old thug who mishandled an encounter with crazy George Zimmerman. The mother of Michael Brown, the classic misrepresentation of a victim of police violence, was also on the stage but did not speak. Perhaps they knew she had best keep her mouth shut since her son never met the standard of “hands up, don’t shoot”. You could see the white-guilt oozing from the liberal audience. A sad affair overall.

The Big Dog, Bubba, Slick Willie

Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States, was the main speaker of the night. He spent the first half of his speech trying to humanize his wife Hillary. His choice – to describe how he courted her. Problem is that his courtship sounded more like creepy staring and stalking. He even made a reference to not knowing where starting with Hillary would lead. Impulse control issues? You might as well have had a flashing MONICA LEWINSKY sign behind him during the first half of his address. The second half of the address portrayed Hillary as a tireless defender of the downtrodden. This was very effective if you can overlook the fact she is also a pathological liar.

Clinton, the wannabe First Gentleman, was caught in a bit of a catch-22. Humanizing Hillary can’t be done because it is the very human side of her and her relationship with Bill that stinks to the core. However, the professional side of Hillary doesn’t smell much better. The only marginally redeeming conclusion from Bill’s pitch is that maybe life is complicated for everybody and the Clintons are truly clueless to how bad their complications look in public. I might also add that Bill’s delivery was lackluster. I personally don’t believe he wants his wife to be President and I’m damn sure he doesn’t want her presidency to outshine his own.

Closing the Deal with Shattering Glass

Bill was followed by Alicia Keys, singing and Meryl Streep, of all people, emoting. Then on the video display in quick succession we saw pictures of the 43 MEN who have served as President and then a shattering of glass to reveal Hillary Clinton, live from New York state surrounded by girls of all ages. Say what you like about the racial component of Barack’s election eight years ago but it was never as flagrant in that year’s convention as the gender component this year. On the one hand, I get the historic moment. On the other hand, we are one of the last civilized countries to do this so maybe we oughta be a bit more quiet about our neanderthal past? Great Britain is on its second woman PM while we get all misty eyed over our first in 230 years.

Day 1

The 2020 Audition

Just as in 2004 Barack Obama delivered the speech that would catapult him to the 2008 nomination, so did Cory Booker last night. The soaring rhetoric was, in my opinion, unmatched by anyone else that night despite what the pundits will tell you. I predict he will be the Democratic nominee in 2020 against President Donald Trump.

Two Overrated Performances and an Off-key Legend

Maybe my disgust at the entire affair tainted my judgment. Perhaps I am so drained of energy that I can’t recognize it in anyone else anymore. That said, I simply wasn’t blown away by either the First Lady, Michelle Obama nor the Senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren. Both seemed low energy to me. Yes, Michelle painted a poignant picture of what it is like to raise two young girls in the White House. Yes, she did tie that to whom she would trust her girl’s safety to – Hillary. But the notion Clinton can be trusted with anything is so absurd as to make the punchline of any pro-Hillary speech utterly ridiculous. I’ve seen Warren do her anti-Trump speech and she has had ten times more energy in previous performances. I don’t think her heart was in it. As for Paul Simon – good God that was almost as bad as 2012 Clint Eastwood. He could barely stay in tune for his iconic song “Bridge Over Troubled Waters”. It is also odd he did not sing “America”, the song beautifully used in the best campaign ad of the season by Bernie Sanders.

The Man Who Should be King

The speech of the night was of course given by Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders who gave Hillary a run for her money. This capped off the only truly progressive campaign of the season. His ultimate defeat proved that Democrats are more interested in identity politics and establishment politics rather than actually changing the status quo. Bernie did what he had to do. Unlike Ted Cruz, he swallowed his pride, accepted Hillary’s boot up his ass, and wholeheartedly endorsed her. At least he did not do so without bragging about his phenomenal campaign. It was a sad day for any Democrat who really wanted change in America.

And the Total Asshole Award Goes to …

Sarah Silverman, a comedienne who prides herself on “look at me, I’m so vulgar” comedy, a former Bernie supporter, decides to lecture Bernie’s devoted followers telling them they are “being ridiculous”. Sarah needs to stick to comedy. She doesn’t understand the whole point of a political movement. She does not understand you can’t just swap one D in for another and get the same result. She doesn’t seem to care, as a Jew, that her fellow Jew was being attacked for his religious views by the political machine she now supports. Sarah is the ridiculous one. She can seriously go screw herself.

More Email Problems

Before the convention even began, emails emerged to bite Hillary Clinton in the ass again. This time the email dump came from Wikileaks and the source was Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails. Understand, the DNC is supposed to be a neutral facilitator of the Democratic primary process. The emails confirmed what so many Bernie Sanders supporters already suspected. The DNC, with the knowledge of its leader Debbie Wasserman Schultz tried to tip the scales toward Hillary Clinton. In one of the more despicable examples, there was a notion to discredit Jew Sanders as an atheist. So the party so vocally rejecting anti-Muslim rhetoric was, behind the scenes, using religion to sway the electorate. By the time the opening gavel came pounding down, Debbie Wasserman Schultz had tendered her resignation (effective Friday) and bowed out of any formal role in the convention. As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw. This scandal rendered whatever happens next this week utterly hypocritical. The party that I thought always had the moral high ground has forfeited that status. I am no longer a Democrat.

The bar is open. What do you think?

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637 thoughts on “Democratic Convention 2016

  1. This is in response to Lurker from the previous thread:

    This election is too important pull a temper tantrum because you didn’t get what you wanted. What really matters is what they do come November.

    There has not in my memory been an election more about principle. Hillary Clinton is a proven liar who may have perjured herself to Congress. This is not about temper tantrums. I’m not voting for a liar and possible felon.

    More importantly did they put in motion any of the “suggestions” made to sabotage Bernie?

    Not the point. What do you do when no one is looking? You attack a Jew’s faith. The party known for fairness and fighting discrimination proves no better than anyone else. Bigots with a D instead of an R after their name.

    The right has investigated her every which way but Sunday and have yet to find that smoking gun they are so sure exists.

    Comey gave the smoking gun to Loretta Lynch and then told her to ignore it. Her not being indicted is the greatest miscarriage of justice in recent times.

    Sorry Lurker, I’m not signing on to this fiasco. I’m voting for Jill Stein. Then I’m gonna support me and mine and to hell with everyone else. I’m done.

  2. Well good for you, Rutherford. Perhaps you’re a more principled man (cough cough) than I’ve given you credit for in the past. Except for your housecleaning. 😉

  3. So Bernie, the independent, jumps on the democrat bandwagon, rides it all the way to the convention bringing with him hordes of enthusiastic progressives, who subsequently watch him lose his religion and turn himself into one of the wicked witch’s flying monkeys. Never underestimate the power of the dark side. The now mindless chant louder and bolder as if to undo the spell…

    Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!

  4. Something has been bugging me for a while and it finally dawned on me today.

    Bernie’s reaction to the DNC screwing him over is curious.

    I’m remembering what he is reported to have said when he met with Obama recently – “How do I land this thing?”

    Farcical, deep and wide.

  5. The dismal tide comes all the way in.

    1) Hillary goes to the WH.
    2) The left lurches left to the point we no longer need to qualify socialism. The kiddies want exactly that.
    3) Everything the outgoing administration, the incoming administration, and the new socialist democrat masses (who used to see Bernie as a “democratic socialist”) – ALL get the agendas they want.

  6. I have it on good authority that even with all the kings horses and all the kings men that they can put humpty dumpty back together again.

  7. I swear I saw Sandernistas on Twitter this morning thinking he could still win.

    My eldest daughter was trying to convince me of the same nonsense a few days ago. I just shook my head. Sometimes life hands out hard lessons.

    I don’t see how we can go on with politics as normal. Unfortunately many will not be able the disappointment turn to anger into something positive. I hope it sparks a hot flame.

  8. Of course Fox made sure we remembered this quote from Michelle:

    “Let me tell you something. For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

    Of course in response to the Donald, she is now saying our country is already great.

  9. @ R – I expect we all go down in the same fundamentally transformed vessel.

    The left is even willing to pretend they think America is exceptional…

  10. It’s the opposites game. When the GOP paints gloom and doom, the Dems say we’re great. When the GOP says morning in America the Dems say we’re going to hell. It’s typical politics.

    I’m watching MSNBC and thank you Donald Trump for insulting a disabled guy – it’s the first time I’ve seen the Dems roll out disabled people at their convention.

  11. The important thing is about 75-79% of Americans believe America going to hell, depending on which poll you want to read.

    That’s a pretty damning testimony about the leadership of Dear Leader Obama, whether he and his bootlickers want to admit to it, or not, I don’t give a damn what those feckless “approval” polls say. The contradiction couldn’t be more clear that millions are clueless.

    And anybody that doesn’t think this country more divided than at any time since the Civil War, is an imbecile.

  12. DR has inspired me. I don’t have a cabin or land to retreat to, but the family and I are going camping and fishing at a local regional park this weekend.

    Keep in mind I’m a city boy who does not camp or fish. But thankfully my wife is skilled enough to gut those slimy bastards in seconds flat 😀

  13. I was going to respond to Lurker after my effort to get her back, but time wouldn’t let me, at least not yet.

    Hillary is an uninicted criminal representing an immoral party and philosophy. I do wish we had a question time in Congress as Rutherford suggested.

  14. “I would soooo like to see the POTUS grilled once a week by the Senate on live tv. It would be a great addition to our democracy.”

    What an awesome idea. These politicians all hide becuase they no longer need the media, the media needs them.

    The lack of transparency has never been worse.

    One hour a week, President Who-The-Fuck-Ever should have to face questions by the Senate live and direct.

  15. “I’m watching MSNBC and thank you Donald Trump for insulting a disabled guy – it’s the first time I’ve seen the Dems roll out disabled people at their convention.”

    I feel like I was on the cutting edge of bringing awareness to the disabled here at the Rutherford Lawson blog.

  16. “Keep in mind I’m a city boy who does not camp or fish. But thankfully my wife is skilled enough to gut those slimy bastards in seconds flat”

    Huck… It’s win win. Even if the expedition is a hot, biting fly infested hell, it feels so good to get home that a new sense of appreciation kicks in.

  17. Rutherford, it looks like Scott Creighton is on your side with Jill Stein.

    “Two things strike me as the most jaw-droppingly perverse characteristics coming out of the convention thus far:

    Vote for Hillary because she has a vagina

    Da Ebil Ruskies are Colluding with Da Ebil Donald to Deny Saint Hillary the White House

    The absurdity of the unDNC convention has reached level boss status and that is directly attributable to the person whom they have chosen to represent them this fall in the race for the most important office of the land. With a start like this, I am deeply ashamed to have ever called myself a Democrat.”

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/07/27/the-perversion-of-the-undnc-convention-part-1-vote-for-hillary-because-she-doesnt-have-a-penis-you-cant-make-this-stuff-up/

  18. I remember a rule we learned years ago when we camped in a small canvas tent. If it is raining, never touch the tent from the inside. You will get a surprise.

    Rutherford, Leslie Loftis wrote “How to ditch a media that vets its stories with a media that vets its stories with the DNC” She describes people like you as part of the new solution to bypass our corrupt media.

    I cannot believe Lurker thinks as she does. The media is probably at fault.

  19. One of my wife’s friends took a slow motion video of me doing a giant leap off a dive board in the deep end.

    Let’s just say that my body image and cruel reality was skewed by a magnitude of the distance between Uranus and Earth.

    Wtf.

    I got on the scale and couldn’t believe the number.

    I got this fat once before around the holidays about 8 years ago. The difference being I was at least totally aware.

    I was oblivious this time. I thought I was 20 pounds less. (Hell… I was 35 pounds less three years ago).

    I’m not exactly sedentary. I at least jog 10 miles a week. Play sports. Swim.

    And drink beer. Everyday. Two pints. Every. Single. Day. Heavy ale.

    I’ve also been indulging in pop. Eating with reckless abandon.

    Why I didn’t assume there would be consequences is beyond me.

    Fuck!!!!!!!!!

  20. “I assume your wife is also the skilled one getting them to the bank?”

    I just sit there and drink beer.

    Because I’m all about challenging gender roles.

  21. Big cites are alien territory to me. I am the reverse of most people.

    This afternoon, we will visit our farm home with our grand daughter. She will help pick tomatoes, wild grapes, and check the beans she planted. They are not mature enough to produce beans yet.

    Our grand daughter will help pick other beans, and we will check the sweetcorn. It may be time to spray repellent. The deer and raccoons know when the sweet corn reaches its prime.

    I’ve lost a little weight, not because of a serious exercise regime, but because I don’t use a rotto tiller. I use a spade, and I have to keep up with our three year old grand daughter. I am not bragging, but I am the fittest of the grand parents. My wife told me the cost of our meds so far this year is $46.00.

    Our new nick name for our grand daughter is puzzle girl. We have discovered she can solve jig saw puzzles within ten or fifteen minutes.

    Our son in law said his daughter was up in the night “reading” books to herself.

    As we drive back to Omaha, our grand daughter will eat the tomatoes she helped plant and raise.

    I am truly happy today.

  22. I don’t think PMQs works outside of the Parliamentary model.
    The democrats are a disgrace how lucky are they that the media works for them so hard especially since they hate Trump.

  23. If you brought a candle and a match with you you could stop that leak.
    You can cook eggs and bacon in a paper bag set on the coals or grate.

    “I cannot believe Lurker thinks as she does.” – j

    It just gets your shorts in a yuuuge bunch that there are people who don’t think just like you. eh?
    Try using both sides of your brain… it might help you to understand..

    “Her not being indicted is the greatest miscarriage of justice in recent times.” – r

    Miscarriage of justice!!! When they indict Bush and Cheney for lying us into a war killing 4000+ and not taking care of them when they return wounded or disable because it cost money that could be use for tax breaks; investigate the people responsible for “the big short” disaster that caused so many people to lose their homes and savings; investigate the 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush; investigate Carl Rove’s attack on Don Segelman; or 911….you get my point.

    Then I will get up tight for lying about three emails and an erroneous media story and what ever else she is accused. There are no perfect people. We were not made to be perfect.

    Why is the left is held to a higher standard? But the right …who claim to have an up close and personal relationship with God….. get caught lying and cheating….. get elected and/or become a multimillionaire.

    I have noticed when we don’t like someone or something we can find the most petty reasons to find fault.

    R – you don’t have to justify your vote.

  24. “Why is the left is held to a higher standard? But the right …who claim to have an up close and personal relationship with God….. get caught lying and cheating….. get elected and/or become a multimillionaire.”

    LOL.

    The left been held to a higher standard? Scooter Libby, Gen Petraeus, Dinesh D’Souza, Thomas Drake. . .

    I hope this is a joke.

  25. You’re right, Lurker. The highest standard should be the law, and nobody, regardless of who they are, should be above it.

    What I do find striking is that you are still unable to bring yourself to criticize a Democrat. You justify Hillary’s blatant breach of the law and national security, and the equally blatant legal corruption that helped her get away with both, by using a “but Bush” defense.

    When people do something wrong we need to hold them accountable. That others may or may not have gotten away with something should not be a factor in that accountability. Otherwise, the next Republican who wants to break the law can just yell “but Hillary”.

  26. “But the right …who claim to have an up close and personal relationship with God….. get caught lying and cheating….. get elected and/or become a multimillionaire.”

    Why the need for a red herring? Someone’s relationship with God has no bearing on accountability to the law.

    It’s not like Al Sharpton is getting away with tax evasion because of the letters “Rev.” that precede his name.

    Someone who starts tossing out comments about people using both sides of their brain had best bring their A game.

    Unless this is your A game…..

  27. JAL you’re not being honest with us or yourself. I fully appreciate you and others feeling the validity of :
    I have noticed when we don’t like someone or something we can find the most petty reasons to find fault.
    on a lot of things but Hillary Rodham Clinton isn’t one of them.

  28. alfie – you have Donald Trump making some bizarre statements to Russia to help sabotage Hillary today and get him the presidency…………. and the bar is silent. Not one word. Why?

    Donald Trump is seriously f’d up and not one word. But you are going after Hillary. To borrow Rumsfeld – roughly – you go with what you have not with what you wish you had.

    I could go along with dropping this election all together. Leaving Obama in for a third term until the d&r’s get their shit together. A good idea?

    huck – It has nothing to do with some one’s relationship with God. It has to do with their belief their shit doesn’t sink…they are above making mistakes….their are perfect. The “both side of your brain statement was a snarky remark. It was not directed towards you…if you wish to be offended so be it.

    Did I say not one word?

  29. First and foremost Im not supporting or voting Trump.
    I will say I don’t find anything credible in the Russian gambit stuff other than Putin is what he is.

  30. I’d like to see the 30k emails that Hillary cleaned with a cloth. Trump called for the Russians to release the yoga and wedding plans — apparently a national security concern? From the harddrive that is in a secured vault?

    Bwahahahah.

    Lurker, you know Ted Kennedy called on russia to remove Reagan. So, using your logic, what Trump did is cool nothingburger.

  31. I’m still not clear on why you brought someone’s belief in God into the discussion of accountability.

    As for the Russian connection, Putin can use the “but Hillary” defense I mentioned previously. The Obama administration (and others) has attempted to or successfully influence(d) multiple foreign elections, both legally and illegally. This is not even a matter of question—we know this went on. It’s not right when others do it to us, nor is it right when we do it to others. Again, this is the problem with relative accountability.

    If you want to see the bar’s scathing rebuke of Trump, you’ll have to read other comment strings. There have been plenty of words.

  32. “Paul Ryan wants HRC cut off from intelligence briefings and Harry Reid wants Trump cut off from them. Two candidates that can’t be trusted with state secrets.”

    Of course, only 1 of those 2 is actually a proven security risk.

  33. ET brings up a good point.

    If there is nothing to worry about in those Emails Hillary deleted, then why are you worried about Trump asking the Russians to produce them? It will only influence things if they prove Hillary is lying about their contents.

    In fact, if Hillary is telling the truth, the Russians would be doing her a favor by producing them. Wouldn’t you agree?

  34. And this wouldn’t even be a discussion had Hillary not broken the law, in the first place.

    Shall I guess “but Rice and Powell” is your reply to that?

  35. “The mother of Michael Brown, the classic misrepresentation of a victim of police violence, was also on the stage but did not speak. Perhaps they knew she had best keep her mouth shut since her son never met the standard of “hands up, don’t shoot”.”

    They were probably afraid she’d start screaming “LET’S BURN THIS MOTHERFUCKER DOWN!”

  36. Lurker, not to pile on but we should be above the “they did it too” argument. That’s the bread and butter of conservative debate style and we should reject it. I don’t care how fucked up the Bush administration was. Hillary endangered national security to protect her own ass. Not cool. Not justifiable. Most likely criminal. Full stop.

  37. Everything the democrats have done in the convention was orchestrated to beat off Trump. That’s a sign of a loser.

    Alfie you lost me on that one. That is the standard MO of any convention – attack the opposition. The GOP did it in grand style last week.

  38. I feel like I was on the cutting edge of bringing awareness to the disabled here at the Rutherford Lawson blog.

    Ah yes Rabbit. Especially awareness of all the drooling. 🙂

  39. Gorilla, how many folks came back in to hear Bill after the video at July 27, 2016 at 9:48 am was recorded? Morning Joe claims the place was packed for Bill’s speech.

  40. I’m still not clear on why you brought someone’s belief in God into the discussion of accountability.

    It was my opinion of those who claim to be good practicing __________ but fail to practice what they preach. But will hold another to a higher standard then they do for themselves.

    This comment was not intended for any one on this blog. If you can not understand my comment, I would suggest you not waste time on it. It is not worth be offended.

    This dance is over. Thank you.

  41. Lurker must have gone to the Rutherford Lawson School of Debate.

    “I didn’t really say that. . . oh look a squirrel.”

  42. @ Rutherford that was unfortunately a phone comment so it didn’t come out right. I actually watched more of the DNC,much against my own promise than I did the RNC. I found the DNC to be overly reactive in its structure which struck me as being evidence of how shallow their platform is. They wanted to attack the opposition more than talk up their goodies.

  43. JAL since I don’t know if your parting shot was truly a leaving the playground moment or not I wanted to ask other question.
    Do you find HRC to be an authoritarian? Do you find Trump to be as well?

  44. Rutherford, Hillary is changing her message in response to the polls that show Trump capitalizing. She needs to stay the course. Instead, the dumbos are drawing fire to the email issue and national security through the Trump comment?

    Come one. Stand back. Think guys, think. He challenged Russia to release her emails. The ones that don’t contain classified information that they never obtained. Way to go. Let’s keep talking about it until the heads start to tilt again. Sheesh.

    Clintons are anything but quick on the draw. They are poll testers and focus group types. Trump sure as hell isn’t. He’s a impulsive and bombastic. If Trump is good one thing, it’s firing quickly and usually hitting the mark — and admittedly often missing or shooting himself in the foot too. However, the Clintons, by changing their message in a panicked reaction to Trump’s numbers (particularly with independents), are gonna really get thrown of balance. The desperate reaction to whatever Trump said today being a primo example.

  45. “off balance”

    That right there is Trumps strongest suit. He constantly attacks, flailing both arms and legs simultaneously, like a child. But in trying to defend against those barrage attacks, the defender loses balance. It forces everyone to talk about him and not about themselves. And in doing so, he controls the entire discussion. We saw it for months during the primary as he knocked down a dozen opponents.

    And we are seeing it now, as alfie pointed out. Half of the DNC convention is over and the only big name talking about Hillary and not Trump is the person who thinks so little of her he has cheated on her for 40 years.

  46. The left is having a melt down. Suddenly they’re the proud Americans.

    I think I heard the airhead Joaquín Castro say that Hillary wasn’t the one politicizing this race.

    Stupid people.

  47. Do you find HRC to be an authoritarian?

    IMO No I don’t…..I do think she is a very hard worker and as with most women “bosses” she expects others to make a similar effort. She is not afraid to ask for information or help. She will take time before she acts. She is not one to react quickly…without think first. Women bosses don’t take excuses easily. This has been my experience. She has a lot of experience and knowledge.

    Does this make her an authoritarian?

    I have a family member who is involved with the dem party. He has a son who is disabled and every time Hillary sees him she asks about his son by name. Asks questions and remembers things from their past visits.

    Do you find Trump to be as well?

    I think Trump is a monumental bully. Fast talking used car salesmen who will use con/lie the pants off you. He will tell you you want to hear. He doesn’t know much but he thinks he has the answers. He will act/speak without thinking. Won’t ask for help because he doesn’t want you to know he doesn’t know. He is used to getting his way. But if someone were to really stand up to him he would fold fast.

    Does that make him an authoritarian?

    I lived in Jersey 20 minutes from NYC without traffic an hour with during the 70’s, 80’s and half of the 90’s. I knew people who did business with him. He was on the news quite often.

    And not that it matters, I am not happy with him buying Mar Lago.

    And yes I was leaving but left my glasses and came back to see if R had them.

  48. R – We have different information on Hillary. That said IMO she would get us into less trouble than Trump. To not vote…or vote for Stein/Johnson mostly likely mean a vote for Trump. The two choice are Trump or Clinton. I have children and grandchildren. I am not looking for a WWIII.

  49. Lurker, how can you write that Trump would get us into more trouble than Hillary would?

    Her blunders are demonstratable fact. The Obama policy which Hillary aided turned the Arab Spring into an ice age. Hillary helped implement and bragged about ousting the government of Libya. The discord combined with our retreat from Iraq created a power vacume which helped create ISIS.

    Hillary did not manage the events leading to Benghazi in a way which would lesson the danger which she should have known was evolving. Then, she lied about the causes with a fake story about a movie when she know it was a lie.

    I’d like to know how you can support such a record. Trump is like a snake oil salesman, but he has not shown anything tangible which would lead us into war. Hillary has by implementing Obama’s policies made our world more dangerous.

    The Europeans are learning the falacy of liberal policies. Germans, as cited by Drudge links are in virtual revolt against Merkle’s policies. Many say as Trump did that the government should know who and why people want to enter Germany before letting them in.

    Hillary tried to reset the relationship with Russian and the Russians seem to like Trump better than Obama. The far -fetched theory that Wikileaks through Russia is trying to influence our election implies that Trump will probably not start a war with Russia.

    Please tell me with facts where I am wrong.

  50. JaL What does Trump have in his past that is even in the same universe as Hillary? Hillary is guilty of espionage and probably treason. Lets not forget ‘Clinton Cash.’ Her foundation has an 80% administrative cost meaning it is a slush fund, not a charity.

    Here is a link to Clinton cash, priced for a socialist. IF you haven’t watched it then you cannot claim to be making an informed evaluation. (FYI not a Trump supporter)
    http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash-movie/

  51. Actually Trump and Clinton are both authoritarians and in many ways are very similar secondary to that.
    As I’ve said before HRC defense and national security choices are Wilsonian nightmares who will cause Anericans to die in places they shouldn’t. Trumps sabre rattling against NATO isn’t as dangerous as folks think. In a real world rollout NATI has a limited future. It will either become the EU joint armed forces or it will be replaced by it and the NATO mission of maintaining US hegemony will disappear. Hillary dogs Trumps position due to that point. Mrs “mist qualified” is stuck in the fable of unipolar world view. Thats a dangerous thing for a bankrupt nation.
    Thanks for playing along. Happy trails.

  52. I actually caught Trump live. He didn’t tell the Russians to hack anything. He said if they already had the emails, the press would love to see them. He said this as he was defending DNC allegations that he is secretly in league with Putin.

    It was kind of funny, actually.

    Of serious note, what if the Russians are in possession of incriminating emails involving the Clinton Foundation?

    Clinton is more of a risk then Trump.

  53. We are lost no matter who wins. My vote for Trump is akin to Sampson’s pulling down the walls and killing the Philistines.
    We know what will happen with Hillary. Trump is unproven.

  54. Great and informative update on the convention and your opinions about it! I can see where you can question the democratic party lately with the scandal going on.

  55. “I have children and grandchildren. I am not looking for a WWIII.”

    I think it is widely agreed that Hillary is more hawkish than Trump.

    There are prominent neocons endorsing Hillary. If you think Hillary won’t send those grandbabies to war you’re very mistaken.

  56. This wikileaks voicemail hack is the weirdest thing. Why would they release 15 minutes of this benign and ordinary stuff? It’s almost creepy BECAUSE it’s so pointless.

    It’s got to be a threat.

  57. So the guy who said his election marked the moment the tides would lower and the planet would heal called Donald Trump a “self-declared savior”.

  58. And also said “we don’t look to be ruled”.

    If this is how he truly feels it must sicken him to look back on the last 7 years.

  59. Yes, rabbit, it is a threat.

    It is the same as when I was in the service and a man jumped from a door way to scare me or worse. I instantly adopted a Karati stance, and he said “I didn’t know you know martial arts.” I replied “There is a lot you don’t know about me.” That’s what the Russians said.

  60. Stories of fragging in the Vietnam war were overblown, but it did happen. Soldiers killed their fellows or leaders when they realized drastic and immediate change was needed to protect their lives.

    We face the same situation in Hillary and her vulgarian husband. Voting against the Democrats this time is equivalent to fragging.

  61. MSNBC this morning was ripe. According to the gaggle of morons, Trump recklessly called for Russia to hack Hillary’s emails. I guess that if they repeat that enough times no one will look at what he actually said — or what Hillary said about the emails she “wiped like with a cloth or something.” So dumb.

    Oh well, the polls indicate that like the Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man, Trump continues to grow from all of the negativity projected on to him.

  62. In his speech at the Wells Fargo Center (Irony the party who says they are against big banks?) President Obama tells audience there’s never been a man or a woman — “not me, not Bill” — who’s more qualified than Hillary Clinton to be president.

    There has never been a person who has been more incompetent at their job than Hillary. It is insulting that Obama would think that we are this stupid and it is sad that there people who are stupid enough to believe it.

    Everything this party does is predicated on half truths and deception as they lead their lemmings over the cliff.

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  64. “Tigre. I posted this as my FB avatar and for whatever reason the eyes closed thing gets people worked up so I kept it.”

    So that’s a picture of you?

  65. Absolutely crazy how bad the media is portraying Trumps “asking Russia” shit. If you watch the thing its clear he was yucking it up for the base. That he comes out with the sarcasm thing is stupid too.
    Hillary and the Dems deserve defeat and I guess America deserves Trump.

  66. What the Democrats understand about the middle class, what they think about the middle class is that those of you in it are so incompetent that you can’t go anywhere without the federal government clearing the way for you. ~Rush

  67. I think it is widely agreed that Hillary is more hawkish than Trump.

    I think it is agreed Hillary is more STRATEGICALLY hawkish than Trump. The fear is Trump will drop a bomb over a tweet he doesn’t like.

  68. Joe Biden is deeper than people give him credit but is ultimately a lying sack of shit politician. I don’t find him anywhere near as genuine as you do Rutherford.

    Bloomy is an utter piece of shit who is as pompous as the guy he demeaned in his speech. Blooms has the gall to stand on the shoulders of giants and claim himself tall. He should be ashamed of himself but he is incapable of that since he’s a preening pompous 1% er douchebag. NEVER a Republican,! Mike is and always will be a pro nanny state,statist technocrat anti-constitutionalist fuck knob.

    As for Barack I’m glad that after almost eight years he is finally willing to publicly admit he was/is unqualified for the job he has.
    On paper HRC looks the most qualified. That is until you really look over her credentials and take notice of how weak she really is. You also can’t discount too much the utter pathetic nature that she has never held a job that she didn’t depend upon her either her genitalia or who she knew/blew/sued etc etc. Then when you’re done with that you really have to weigh all the things she’s “done” and done that specifically disqualifies her to be POTUS
    The fact that the Democrats can ignore all their evil and only buy into the glass ceiling bullshit is a damning indictment of their collective character. Of course Comey et al would tell us their intent was all good and that character doesn’t really count in a world dominated by lies and identity optics.

  69. Dick Morris’ take-down of the Bill speech was entertaining. Problem is Dick is a disloyal turncoat bastard who was once Slick Willie’s BFF. They probably fucked underage girls together.

    Still, just for the fun of it, I may follow him on Facebook. 🙂

  70. Alfie — let me state it a different way. The fear is that Trump is impulsive while lacking the desire to do any homework. That combination can be dangerous.

    With that said, as I stated in a Facebook response yesterday that may have lost me a friend, I think the Trump presidency will be an excellent test of our three co-equal partners in government: the executive, the legislative and the judicial. If our founders did their job right, Trump will have checks that prevent him from using the devastating destructive power that so many fear.

  71. “If our founders did their job right, Trump will have checks that prevent him from using the devastating destructive power that so many fear.”

    Unless those checks oppose him, in which case Obama has opened the door to him doing what he wants and blaming it on an obstructive legislature.

    Which is what we screamed about the entire time he was doing it.

  72. ” Problem is Dick is a disloyal turncoat bastard who was once Slick Willie’s BFF. They probably fucked underage girls together.”

    Irrelevant. Your personal assessment of Morris does not alter the facts. As for the rest, I doubt he is as avid supporter of getting into the little girls room as you.

    A POTUS cannot arbitrarily launch a nuke.

  73. From what I’ve been reading the only person Obama endorsed last night was Obama.

    He referenced himself like 200 times and Hillary less than 50 times. I guess we can’t expect him to go too far in for a person he previously called “likable enough”.

  74. “That’s about the best they can do in condemning Uncle Joe.”

    Joe’s a liar and a creepy geezer.

    “The tape, which was made available by C-SPAN in response to a reporter’s request, showed a testy exchange in response to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ”Frank.” Mr. Biden looked at his questioner and said: ”I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.”

    He then went on to say that he ”went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,” Mr. Biden said. He also said that he ”ended up in the top half” of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. In college, Mr. Biden said in the appearance, he was ”the outstanding student in the political science department” and ”graduated with three degrees from college.”

    In his statement today, Mr. Biden, who attended the Syracuse College of Law and graduated 76th in a class of 85, acknowledged: ”I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inaccurate.”

    As for receiving three degrees, Mr. Biden said: ”I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors – I said ‘three’ and should have said ‘two.’ ” Mr. Biden received a single B.A. in history and political science.

    ”With regard to my being the outstanding student in the political science department,” the statement went on. ”My name was put up for that award by David Ingersoll, who is still at the University of Delaware.”

    In the Sunday interview, Mr. Biden said of his claim that he went to school on full academic scholarship: ”My recollection is – and I’d have to confirm this – but I don’t recall paying any money to go to law school.” Newsweek said Mr. Biden had gone to Syracuse ”on half scholarship based on financial need.”

    In his statement today, Mr. Biden did not directly dispute this, but said he received a scholarship from the Syracuse University College of Law ”based in part on academics” as well as a grant from the Higher Education Scholarship Fund of the state of Delaware. He said the law school ”arranged for my first year’s room and board by placing me as an assitant resident adviser in the undergraduate school.”

    Mr. Biden acknowledged that in the testy exchange in New Hampshire, he had lost his temper. ”I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Mr. Biden said, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me.” Mr. Biden’s questioner had made the query in a mild tone, but provoked an explosive response from Mr. Biden.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

  75. “What Democrats refuse to say and Republicans already know is that the only solution to our gun problem is confiscation.”

    No they don’t, you numbnut.

  76. “It’s been almost 4 years since 20 precious children lost their lives to a lunatic scumbag with a gun-happy mother, who, for God knows what reason, thought it a good idea to take her little monster to the shooting range.”

    This was because his mother took him to a shooting range? Seriously?

  77. Gun confiscation is not a solution, much less the only solution.

    “Say what you like about the racial component of Barack’s election eight years ago but it was never as flagrant in that year’s convention as the gender component this year.”

    There was no need for flagrancy. Obama was elected because he is black, and a Democrat.

  78. “This was because his mother took him to a shooting range? Seriously?”

    In some ways, yes. That kid was an absolute ghoul. There are a ton of hobbies I might one day introduce my son to, but if he is fucking ghoul…. It won’t be shooting.

  79. Thinking back to when Rutherford was blaming Palin for Giffords…. It’s like remembering a drug addiction phase of a friend.

    Rutherford… Does it shame you?

  80. It’s like remembering a drug addiction phase of a friend.

    Not ashamed. Just thankful for the intervention. 😉

    Isn’t one of the steps of AA self-forgiveness? 😀😀

  81. If our founders did their job right, Trump will have checks that prevent him from using the devastating destructive power that so many fear. – r

    IMO a greater concern is Trump has no filter on his mouth. If he gets elected he will be convinced he is infallible. If he insults a foreign power/person they may have a yuuugh desire to teach America a lesson with their bomb.

  82. Sandy Hook has been debunked and here are ten facts proving foreknowledge, planning and staging, along with destruction of evidence.

    The whole thing was contrived by our government for Obama’s gun grab agenda. Their legal use of propaganda was stalled in congress, but they decided to move forward as planned. Since it was a government sanctioned effort, there is a good paper trail, though much still redacted. The pay off to the players was huuuge! Entire homes purchased in some cases. Since then, the gun grab circus has only gained momentum and added players. They are a hit at the dnc and still doing the national tour. Actors and images successfully tweak the reality of the Rutherfords and rabbits in the land of the free. Don’t question the teevee god as it feeds our need.

  83. I’ve never used my Twitter account. Tonight I was going to send my first tweet to Doug Elmets but alas I do not know how to send it to him. That said I am ashamed of him. No matter what you think of Trump, there is no justification in getting behind Hillary. He has betrayed Reagan’s memory.

  84. What have you guys been smoking? You think there’s still checks and balances? Holy shit! The whole place is a system of revolving doors between government and the corporations they are supposed to regulate. The corruption percolates to the top. Don’t think trump doesn’t know exactly what he is saying. Exactly. Every time.

  85. @ JAL you can’t seriously buy into that.
    USA: Doubt no matter what he says he’ll nuke himself
    UK: The UK has a very unique form about delivery. Again can’t see them telling the sub commanders to “open the letters”.
    France: France has a lot of issues,history and stuff with US. Doubtful we could cause them to irradiate us.
    Russia: I thought he was like super tight with them?
    India: Here’s an interesting one. What could Trump say or do to impress them so negatively?
    Pakistan: Doubtful they remember where the launch keys were left. Be pretty believable if one of theirs ever got into third party hands.
    China: M.A.D. does not make for eternal yumminess.
    North Korea: You don’t even have to piss this guy off. Fortunately his junk pretty unreliable.
    Israel:???? lol

  86. Poolman, your Sandy Hook denial remains the one area where your conspiracy theories cross into the vile. You have precious grandchildren. Maybe the truth of Sandy Hook is simply more than you can absorb.

  87. @ Rutherford. First I have to tip my hat to Hucks excellent comment regards the Obama precedent of putting the imperial presidency on steroids.
    Second our Beltway trio are not meant to be co-equals. The balance is a nuanced dance of parts.
    Every foreign policy drama dilemma made up about Trump falls flat in my eyes. The one getting the most mileage is the NATO/Baltics one. I’m a big anti-neo-Soviet kind of guy but I don’t see why any American needs to die in Latvia or Estonia if Putin were to go super stupid and try to get his Crimea on in the B’s.
    NATO is supposed to be a group activity and except for the Cold War brinkmanship and Afghanistan post 9/11 IT HAS NEVER WORKED AS FOLKS FANTASIZE or as it was chartered too.
    France has routinely pissed on it. Everyone looked the other way with the Falklands.The Libya and Balkans gig was totally outside off menu.

  88. You have NOTHING but teevee to make your case, Rutherford. NOTHING. It is BECAUSE of my grand children I want this evil beast of a government and its ongoing lies exposed.

  89. alfie – I never thought we would have so many people think Trump is presidential material so nothing surprises me. You know it would be some little bugger who wanted to be the one who slayed the almighty America. Any thing is possible I just won’t be hiding under the bed waiting.

  90. Poolman, I have a friend who brought therapy dogs to the temporary school that the LIVING kids were relocated to. He was not part of the CONSPIRACY. Your grandchild could have been at the wrong end of that gun. I think that makes you shit your pants so bad that you buy into fantasy to avoid it.

    The Monday after Sandy Hook, my heart was in my mouth as I put my 8 year old on that school bus.

  91. “If he insults a foreign power/person they may have a yuuugh desire to teach America a lesson with their bomb.”

    This idea is more insulting to a foreign power than anything Trump could utter. You think Trump’s temper will bring us to war, but this statement really says that you think the tempers of other world leaders will send us to war.

    I really hope this isn’t something that people out there are actually thinking because it is incredibly silly, to be quite honest.

  92. “I never thought we would have so many people think Trump is presidential material so nothing surprises me.”

    You don’t get it. There is no 3rd option and Hillary cannot be allowed to happen. We know foreign governments have a ton of dirt on her, more than enough to blackmail her. We cannot have a POTUS who cannot handle national security secrets. Hillary has been in the game too long for us to reasonably expect that she can ever get it right.

  93. “In some ways, yes. That kid was an absolute ghoul. There are a ton of hobbies I might one day introduce my son to, but if he is fucking ghoul…. It won’t be shooting.”

    Hogwash. That kid was a ghoul because he was a ghoul and could pick up a gun and fire whether or not he went to a gun range. Is there something that says his trip to the gun range threw him over the edge? Through R we all know Giffords was shot because of Palin and the conservative Christians were responsible for Orlando and racism was what caused Ferguson. . .

    Again, unless you know something more, hogwash.

  94. The Columbine shooters didn’t go to a shooting range. But they did play video games and spent time online learning how to carry out the shooting.

  95. The building was demolished because of the asbestos in it. Sandy Hook elementary kids were already in a ‘temporary’ school. E-mail and phone records prove it. The building you call Sandy Hook was used for storage only. That is the very reason there were NO children attending that location for a number of YEARS.

    I understand your emotional involvement and the fear generated by the media. But if you can get past that to see things objectively, the narrative completely falls apart.

    I’ll throw you a bone. You should be familiar as to what handicapped spaces are supposed to look like. A decade before this event the ADA went with blue markings in public. There should be blue. There is NO blue.

  96. Sooooo… the parents that were dropping off their kids didn’t remember where that was after the shooting. Good one.

    Lemme guess. SH is a fictitious town?

  97. No, Nathan. There was only a drill. The parents on the gun grab tour are actors. Just like most of other events the actor in chief is involved in. Real town. Real theater.

  98. How does a “drill” answer to what I said, Clouseau? The parents would know of the existence of another school, particularly in their district.

  99. What parents are you talking about? You know some parents involved in this drill?

    OR

    Stick to the BLUE question since you ALWAYS complain when others can’t stay on point.

  100. As I sit here watching Hillary’s speech, I am reminded of every socialist and communist speech I have ever heard. She will wipe out all traces of individualism in favor of what is best for the collective good. Individual rights and personal Liberties will be sacrificed for the ‘greater good.’ This is how you take away freedom. This is how you dismantle the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. For the greater good.

  101. Don’t know how many of you will get this but for those that do, enjoy.

  102. As I sit here watching Hillary’s speech, I am reminded of every socialist and communist speech I have ever heard.

    For that to be true, you’d have to stay awake. How the fuck did you maintain focus through that War and Peace? Holy shit. More in my summary tomorrow.

  103. First I have to tip my hat to Hucks excellent comment regards the Obama precedent of putting the imperial presidency on steroids.

    I need more convincing. It’s a documented fact the number of Obama’s executive orders pale in comparison to many other Presidents. Either Obama is not the ultra socialist conservatives say he is OR government checks kept him in place. It can’t be both.

  104. ” Is there something that says his trip to the gun range threw him over the edge?”

    Fuck no. The kid was already over the edge. And his mother took him to….. Not Chucky Cheese…. Not roller skating…. Shooting!

    His mother introduced him to shooting and gave him access to guns. It’s not hacky sack. It’s fire arms. The same kid that scared the living shit out of her. She decided that they would bond over the 223 round. WTF?

  105. “HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — A proposal to modernize the ubiquitous handicapped symbol that marks parking spaces, building entrances and restrooms in Connecticut is heading to Democratic Gov. Dannel P. Malloy’s desk.

    The Senate on Wednesday voted 33-3 in favor of a bill that requires the Department of Administrative Services to come up with regulations designating an updated symbol of access for people with disabilities. That symbol must depict a dynamic figure leaning forward with a sense of movement.

    The updated signs would be used when old signs must be replaced.

    Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy Jr., a disability rights attorney, urged support of the bill, saying “symbols are very important” in changing people’s minds about others with disabilities.”

    I think symbols are important too.

  106. “What Democrats refuse to say and Republicans already know is that the only solution to our gun problem is confiscation.”

    No they don’t, you numbnut.

    Who is “they”?

    Let me help you. Your home is rat infested. The exterminator says he’s gonna castrate all the male rats so they don’t procreate. Then he leaves. You’ve still got the rats until they die.

    Unlike rats, guns don’t die. You could stop the sale of guns tomorrow and there are still so many out there it wouldn’t mean diddly. The only real way to tackle the gun problem is limited confiscation. If I’m not mistaken, that’s what Australia did.

  107. On MSNBC they relied on Lawrence O’Donnell to fact check Hillary’s speech. Lucky they didn’t have Dick Morris on the panel. O’Donnell does acknowledge Hillary got nothing done in the Senate.

  108. Why are we talking about gun confiscation again? Oh yeah, the teevee. Statistics, you know what those are, show gun deaths are DECREASING. Gun sales have gun up but gun deaths down. So what do you base you crazy gun notions on, Rutherford? It isn’t fact or statistics.

  109. You blew the test… you there… wild BLUE yonder… team Blue… BLEW IT!

    As for that lawyer fella, his dog don’t hunt. 😛

  110. “Its not the number of EO’s that is in question it is the extent of the overreach.”

    Rutherford knows that. He likes to compare things like Bush’s “Bob Hope American Patriot Award” to Obama’s immigration non-enforcement policies and unauthorized bombing of Libya.

    Obama has opened the door for President Trump to tell officials to ignore things like the ObamaCare mandate (which Obama actually did) and any other law he doesn’t like. Hell, maybe if the NRA donates enough he’ll issue a “policy” to ignore federal gun laws. We can start getting real machine guns, again!

    Rutherford, do you remember when you used to call the system broken when it did EXACTLY what you are now saying it will do if it is working as designed? I’m glad it took the specter of Trump to teach you what your HS government class failed to. Something tells me if he’s elected there will be millions of others who are suddenly enlightened with a newfound appreciation for our elegant system of checks and balances.

  111. All of dickheads points were crushed. His persistence and vile ignorance is a testimony to how big a dickhead he is. Die dickhead die.

  112. Rutherford, just popping in to tell you I liked your commentary on the two conventions. Well done.

  113. “What parents are you talking about? You know some parents involved in this drill?”

    The ones that weren’t, dummy. The ones whose children are in the same neighborhoods and district. The ones that would notice two schools to choose from.

    How do I explain the blue? You’re wrong about it or they didn’t paint with blue.

  114. Who is “they”?

    The des and Republicans.

    Dems do not refuse to say it, as you just did.

    Republicans don’t consider guns a “problem” or confiscation a “solution.”

  115. Lurker, your defense of your charge that Trump would lead us into WW111 is deficient.

    “Anything is possible. I just won’t be hiding under a bed.” What does that mean? Of course, anything is possible. Anything is not probable.

    You are surprised that so many people regard Trump as presidential material. That is a failacist statement with no basis for serious consideration without factual support and a corresponding defense of Hillary as presidential material.

    You are not the only incompetent thinker, but I’ll pick on you because I want to watch you attempt to dig yourself out of your nonsensical hole. Or if you hide under your bed and refuse to defend yourself again we will also learn from you.

  116. DR, I get your point with the demon. However, Rutherford, a guy that nodded along with the Kuntzman “scary gun” bullshit, thanked you because he doesn’t think any kids, or adults, should go to shooting ranges. Confiscation is the solution, remember? Yet the range did not turn this kid into a murderer, motivate, encourage or cause the attack. Palin didn’t cause it. It was gonna happen as it did in Columbine. If not with his mom’s gun, with another or something different.

  117. “The only way to combat the gun problem is limited confiscation.”

    Rutherford, our constitution forbids it until judges interpret it to mean something different than it means now. Bad people can always possess guns.

    Some European countries have strict gun laws, but an active black market makes guns available to anyone who really wants such a weapon.

    Our war on drugs and Prohibition were such successes. Partial confiscation would make some people rich as the other wars have done.

  118. Obama is not an ultra socialist. He is a run of the mill socialist. Obama has complained that the government has constrained him. Congress, after the Tea Party revolt stopped part of his agenda.

    Its true, Obama has circumvented Congress and the law, but he has also been stopped at times. He has set a fine precident for his successor. The number of executive orders is less important than their subjects and effects.

    The IRS is not a puppet. It is an administration allie.

    Therefore, Rutherford, your question is based on incorrect assumptions.

  119. Tigre, Rutherford is such an irrational mess when it comes to guns, I don’t really try to keep up with him on it.

    That ghoul was unique situation because I believe had his mother not introduced him to guns, there may have never been any murders. The ghoul was a total recluse.

  120. How do I explain the blue? You’re wrong about it or they didn’t paint with blue.

    Obviously they didn’t paint with blue BECAUSE THERE IS NO BLUE.

    Since you fail to understand the simplest of things I probably should dismiss any high expectations. Suffice it to say your statement that I am wrong in no way PROVES anything except an unwillingness to accept any truth that exists outside of your paradigm. Reason is NOT your friend.

    BLUE is TOO SIMPLE for you..

    Let me see if I can make it simpleR. The AMA decided on BLUE in 2004. Public parking being the first area REQUIRED to comply. It isn’t optional. It wasn’t even a ten year plan of compliance. Even if a PUBLIC SCHOOL FORGOT to paint, a sign is REQUIRED to be posted:

    Accessible parking spaces must be identified by signs that include the International Symbol of Accessibility. Signs at van-accessible spaces must include the additional phrase “van-accessible.”

    Signs should be mounted so that the lower edge of the sign is at least five (5) feet above the ground. This helps ensure visibility both for motorists and local enforcement officials.

    https://adata.org/factsheet/parking

    So if you choose to be colorblind, at least look for a sign.

  121. I’ll save my cartoon viewing for tomorrow morning.

    The stoopid is really strong on that one.

    “I kid you not!”

  122. This idea is more insulting to a foreign power than anything Trump could utter. You think Trump’s temper will bring us to war, but this statement really says that you think the tempers of other world leaders will send us to war. – Huck

    Yes I think it is a possibility but does it need to be a world leader or a full out war? Some one flew two planes into buildings. Are you sure you know all the players involved in that attack? It put people in a tail spin for awhile. Imagine what would happen if the power grid, Indian Point, water supplies, were “bombed”. There are many targets and bombs in many sizes and shapes. Why is my comment so outrageous? I do not trust Trump he is a loaded cannon.
    Breathe.

    And no I came up with this idea on my own.

    “You are surprised that so many people regard Trump as presidential material. That is a failacist statement with no basis for serious consideration without factual support and a corresponding defense of Hillary as presidential material.”

    Seriously James???

    “You are not the only incompetent thinker, but I’ll pick on you because I want to watch you attempt to dig yourself out of your nonsensical hole. ”

    Incompetent thinker – I am very sure this country was “built” by people thinking in may different ways. If everyone thought the same where would the world be today? Get over your self.

  123. Lurker, we need cogent thoughts, not personal insults. I could call you a doo doo head, but it wouldn’t make you one. What does the country’s being “built” by a diverse group of people have to do with the current discussion? I can guess, but the implied level of your thought process would be uncomplementary to you.

    You are trying to deflect the conversation from your charge.

    The point is two flawed people are running for president, and they will profoundly affect the nature of our country. One has a documented record and has flirted with criminal behavior as noted by the FBI report and other sources. She has supported and influenced policies which have endangered our society and caused deaths. Hillary is a known quantity.

    The other is a gad fly businessman who’s major skills include self promotion. His sometimes shady business record has not killed anyone, and he also promotes policies which are less dangerous to the US than the Democrats’ record and promises. Trump is largely an unknown with grafted new policy notions he believes will sell.

    You stated that you regarded your descendants to be endangered by the possibility that Trump would cause a world war. We have asked you to support your claim with facts comparable to what we know of Hillary.

    So far, you have failed. You have trapped yourself. Either you support your claims or you hide under your bed and look silly. You might resort to personal attacks, but you would lose.

    I don’t need to get over myself. I have earned the regard I hold for me, and I am not an egotist. Your comment is another attempt to deflect the conversation.

    Your sloppy thinking binds you in your own little prison. We wait patiently for you to support your statements with more than feelings.

  124. Poolman, you fucking idiot, if you can’t explain what I’ve asked, then just shut the fuck up. The color of the damned parking lot lines don’t prove a fictitious school, citizens, years of silence or any damned thing else you fuckling moron. It proves they didn’t paint the lines blue. A fake school that anyone in the surrounding area would notice is fucking ridiculous. An explanation for the color of the paint other than a fake school is probable for anyone with one ounce of actual scrutiny instead of moron-level Youtube psychosis.

    But if the flag pole wasn’t the right height, or the surrounding walkways the proper width, now that would prove that the whole thing was a hoax. 🙄

    Go back to your bag of weed. It’ll all make sense to you again after a few tokes.

  125. “The color of the damned parking lot lines don’t prove a fictitious school, citizens, years of silence or any damned thing else you fuckling moron”

    Tigre. You’re such a jerk ruining poolman’s fantasy role play game. Dungeon and Dragons is a fun escape for him. You know, disrespecting murdered 1st graders and stuff while toking Sour Diesel.

  126. Thinking differently and knowing what the fuck you’re talking about are two very distinctly different things…. Huck’s point stands and you’ve yet to come up with a coherent response. Sounds like you’re going to blame the first terrorist attack against US interests on Trump for something, anything, Trump says–and if you stay to form, you’ll ignore every terrorist attack that has occurred for the last 8 years, because nothing Obama or Clinton did had any bearing on terrorism against the US…

    You’re a shill, an empty vessel selling yourself to the Party irrespective of facts, principles, or logic. Kids and grand kids? Great…

  127. I’ve never used my Twitter account. Tonight I was going to send my first tweet to Doug Elmets but alas I do not know how to send it to him.

    Noah I don’t know if you saw my message earlier in the thread but since you didn’t acknowledge it I’ll assume it breezed by. Try @elmetspr to tag Doug Elmets on your tweet within Twitter. 90% of “famous” people on Twitter do not respond but at least you can get it off your chest.

  128. Republicans don’t consider guns a “problem” or confiscation a “solution.”

    OK I get your confusion now. No … I wasn’t saying Republicans consider confiscation a solution. They fear that Democrats view it that way. In other words, Dem’s won’t mention where this really needs to go and Republicans know exactly where it needs to go and they are against it.

  129. “A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.” -Hillary

    I wonder where people get this shit?

  130. “Yes I think it is a possibility but does it need to be a world leader or a full out war? ”

    In that case, I guess Barack Obama has insulted a few people with his mouth, because we’ve been attacked multiple times. Are you sure you know all of the players in those attacks?

    You’re painting yourself into a corner with this.

    I don’t trust Trump, either. But what is far more likely to happen is that we will have diplomatic issues with people due to his mouth–not war. It’s simply a ridiculous notion that someone is going to attack us because Trump hurt their feelings. That what liberals do, not leaders. We’ve already seen where people were running around like wild animals attacking people at Trump rallies.

    Then again, many of them carried Mexican flags, so maybe you’re onto something….

  131. “Why is my comment so outrageous? I do not trust Trump he is a loaded cannon.
    Breathe.”

    Because there is no basis for the comment. It is a ‘feeling’ not a valid thought backed by facts. This is the problem with 85% of what Democrats come up with. They do/say what feels right without considering the consequences of said choice.

    This is why I included Logic and Ethics as 2 of my 3 mandated classes for High School. Logic so you know how to present a coherent case for your position and Ethics so that you feel compelled to present an honest case over one that furthers your personal or party agenda. Its interesting to note that you can get a Masters in Political Science without ever having to take an ethics class.

    R, I saw it, thanks.

  132. While I doubt Trump will start WWIII I haven’t the foggiest idea what a Trump presidency will entail. As for HRC – just more of the same, with impeachment hearings thrown in for good measure.

  133. The only way to get through Hillary’s speech was to take it in 10 minute doses and occasionally fast forwarding whenever she got locked into doing that bobble head laugh at one of her own lines. That said…

    Everything that Hillary said needed to be done was an indictment on Obama. IF it is so important, then why didn’t Obama get it done in the last 8 years. Everything was scripted. Everything. I watch on cspan so I get the full version. All of the camera cuts to various ‘known’ people were at the exact moment of a ‘Kodak’ moment. The moment someone had a profound expression, or made an over-gestured nod of agreement or laugh/whatever. This was theater and it was all choreographed. All of this is in line with the aforementioned communistic taint of her speech.

  134. I fully agree that much of the rhetoric throughout the four days was inadvertently an indictment of Obama. That’s why you got the occasional “I don’t think the President gets enough credit for …”

  135. Sadly, I’d have taken Uncle Joe over Hillary and probably over Trump.

    But with his health history i’d have wanted him to have a really good VP, and I say that with only 1/2 a dose of sarcasm.

  136. Ha Ha Gorilla and Huck!

    That is the point, Rutherford. We know what Hillary will do, and we know the type of justices and other officials she will appoint. We also know she is more hawkish than Obama or maybe Trump.

    No one, probably not even Trump knows what he will do. He is an unknown V a certainty.

    I prefer to gamble. Lurker or anyone else can chose to live under the reality of Hillary with its risks and pitfalls or one can support Trump and hope for something less bad. Just don’t don’t lie to oneself or us and present the decision as something it is not.

  137. “Muffy — you’re still back in 1987. You got anything else?”

    What else is needed? That his great great great granddaddy owned slaves? (He probably didn’t but we don’t bother with such details when condemning people for stuff they had nothing to do with.)

    You just need some more convincing, huh? Your cement head is open to this, you just need something more current. R-i-i-i-ight?

    Sure. He used his dying son as a trial balloon before the administration was certain that Clinton was OK to skate.

    So you can add asshole to liar and creepy geezer.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-beau-2016-214459

    “Beau was losing his nouns and the right side of his face was partially paralyzed,” Dowd [NYT] wrote. “But he had a mission: He tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values.”

    Make that “fucking asshole.”

    [Joe, naturally, denies being the source of the leak. But just as naturally his denial has nothing to to do with whether the Politico story is true or false.]

    PS…R I stripped the excessive links so ignore the comment awaiting moderation

  138. Harvey Milk liked boy friends younger than himself. One was ten years younger and another eighteen years younger than he was. They were around twenty. One boy friend was sixteen.

    This was from Wikepedia, and it is all I know about the ages of Milk’s paramours.

  139. Rabbit take comfort it is a USNS vessel and in a somewhat indelicate way for someone who liked anal its an oiler.
    SecNav Mabus is a dickhead though who has violated protocol in shipnaming. This class he changed the protocol. The things this dickhead has gotten wrong us incredible.

  140. The 16 year old gives me pause. The others don’t.

    I think I read this ship is one of a series named after civil rights icons starting with Rep John Lewis. I guess they name ships like they have series of stamps.

  141. “The 16 year old gives me pause. The others don’t.”

    Gives you pause?

    A subtle comment gives me pause. Maybe a passive aggressive comment about my choice of seasoning on my beef brisket I’m barbecuing.

  142. Tim Kaine reportedly has ties to Muslim radicals. If this is a casual thing of little significance or if it means something, Hillary’s judgement can be questioned. Trump will shout from the housetops, and some people will believe him no matter what the truth is.
    Or, this is a real problem.

  143. My comment was a response R’s looking at from the other side. It was an opinion not fact. I explained and justified it to my satisfaction.

    How can you be so sure what Trump will or will not do? Do you not see how unstable and ill suited he is to be president? Yet you are so sure of what Clinton will or will not do.

    James – if you go back over the comments you will find you started it with your “incompetent thinker” remark. This is insulting, degrading and an attempt to minimize a person. I’ll not take it.

    “I earned the regard I hold for me” – I am sure you did, however I find little reason to share the same regard for you. My experience when one is quick to toot their own horn they actually have little to toot. Trump is a horn tooter as well.

    This blog is so comfortable attacking another for an insignificant comment. I will now admit I understand the Trump attraction.

    The GOP considers this issue to be of such epidemic proportions among Republicans they had to included in their 2016 platform. I have no idea who would do such a thing. However, I did feel I should do my part in keeping your hands on the keyboard.

  144. Now that I’ve gotten out of the sun and had a couple hits of fire OG, I can see clearer than you apparently can – and from a greater distance. Don’t concern yourself with the fact that blue became the official color for handicapped markings in 2004. Don’t even look for blue paint, because as you admit, IT ISN’T THERE. I am not sure if flagpoles are regulated by the government, BUT HANDICAPPED PARKING IS REGULATED The law says they NEED a sign. They don’t have a sign, so obviously the place was NOT being used as an elementary school anytime since the LAW REQUIRED they have them. Since you are proved lazy as well as dense, let me repost to make it easier:

    Accessible parking spaces must be identified by signs that include the International Symbol of Accessibility. Signs at van-accessible spaces must include the additional phrase “van-accessible.”

    Signs should be mounted so that the lower edge of the sign is at least five (5) feet above the ground. This helps ensure visibility both for motorists and local enforcement officials.

  145. Noah seems to have a lot of time on his hands. Maybe he can come up with a public school example somewhere in America that doesn’t have handicapped signs in their handicapped spaces. In other words, a non compliant public school with students currently enrolled. We haven’t buried this bone.

  146. “How can you be so sure what Trump will or will not do? Do you not see how unstable and ill suited he is to be president? Yet you are so sure of what Clinton will or will not do.”

    This has been said a 100 times so either comprehension is an issue or you are willfully ignoring it. Trump is an unknown, Hillary is a certainty.

    As for being offended…I would refer you to Stephen Fry.

  147. I havnt been following your newest rant Poolman so I haven no idea why you are talking about handicap signs. As stated. Conspiracy Libertarians start with a predetermined truth and find facts to fit that truth. Then when someone challenges them they ask others to prove their evidence false when what is really at hand is that their proof has little to do with the issue at hand.

  148. I won’t answer your questions UNTIL you answer the ONE (1) question I posted first and caused you to jump in2thefray. I was pointing out that the parking lot did not comply with a real school parking lot for the year it was supposed to be a real school because of the missing handicap requirement that had been LAW for YEARS before the supposed shooting took place.

    Too simple for you, smartfuck?

  149. Lurker, your thinking was incompetant, and that is a fact. If you are unable to understand why, I will explain. Let me know.

    Contrary to what you think, your comment was significant because it illustrates a faulty thought process designed to reach conclusions with sloppy use of cause and effect. This is probably not an isolated problem for you.

    I am not degrading or minimizing you. I am calling you out for sloppy thinking. Nothing else. Whatever else you think I did resides in your mind, so it WILL stand until you let it go.

  150. Pools if you can stop sodomizing the neighbor kids perhaps you want to explain how SHES has NCLB test results for the years it was allegedly closed.
    You don’t won’t and can’t you worthless piece of child molesting shit.
    Rutherford you suck too!

  151. Noah, my truth is there is a law that requires a sign marking a handicapped space in a public elementary school parking lot. Does that sound reasonable? You have probably been to an elementary school parking lot a few times in your young life. That is a guess on my part. If yes, then maybe you can help dispel the conspiracy. Can you think of any public schools say in the last four years or so that don’t pay attention to their parking lots? Every elementary school I have been to in the past 25 years makes a big deal about parking. Every fall before the new school year begins the lots get repainted.

  152. When Hillary ran her presidential campaign back in 2008, her campaign co-chair was Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    Let’s say hypothetically that after losing to Obama, Hillary wanted to be assured of the nomination in 2016. What better way to lock it down than having your campaign co-chair lead the party?

    For this scenario to be possible, Hillary would have to not only compel the current chair to step down but also for him to recommend Schultz to lead the Democratic Party as its chair.

    One would assume that Hillary would need to promise the current chair something in return.

    The chairman who had stepped down in 2011 and recommended Schultz to succeed him was Tim Kaine. Things that make you go hmm. #wikiemailleak

  153. I thought I had least better read what Rutherford put together for today.

    I gather from your critique of Chelsea that she, like her father before her, is mind controlled. I’d pick mom more the handler for both, though that spastic action the other day looked like a glitch in programming. Bill has his more obvious moments.

    The party’s over and everyone got to play, except for those ridiculous berners.

    Now it’s down to 2 and they have to pretend like they are competing against each other for the next 3 months. All that matters is keeping the fantasy alive for which they spare us no expense.

  154. Hillary is all over the map, Rutherford. You are keen to recognize the weirdness, but not unique. That is one spooky woman I would NEVER trust near any of my children.

  155. This blog is so comfortable attacking another for an insignificant comment. I will now admit I understand the Trump attraction.

    Lurker there is a contingent of the population with the reasoning of a five year old. This is part, not whole but part of the Trump cult.

  156. That is just ONE (1) component in this fraud. One (1) I was hoping even the blindest of pharisees could and would see. Thank you!

  157. The GOP considers this issue to be of such epidemic proportions among Republicans they had to included in their 2016 platform.

    Lurker, you lost me. Was that a reference to pornography?

  158. “This blog is so comfortable attacking another for an insignificant comment.”

    If a comment is insignificant then why take the time to type it out?

    Your inability to form or defend a cogent argument certainly helps us to understand the liberal attraction.

  159. The pharisee remark was not meant to say I thought you one, but they and the scribes generally cover each others’ heinies.

  160. Republicans ‘are going to put ya’ll back in chains.’ ~ Joe Biden
    An utter dumb ass and scumbag.

    Dumbass maybe. Scumbag? Come on. Joe’s an old fashioned pol. You and Muffy need to stop hatin’ on Uncle Joe.

  161. So now Hillary’s campaign server has been hacked.

    Her party servers were hacked…..her campaign servers were hacked…but we’re to believe her private illegal state department servers weren’t hacked, because she wiped them with a cloth and she didn’t mean to and shut up.

    …and racism.

  162. Lurker there is a contingent of the population with the reasoning of a five year old. This is part, not whole but part of the Trump cult. – r

    Yes and the worship of an authoritarian figure or the father figure. One they can follow but not need to make a decision on their own or accept responsibility for their actions or failures. They would rather put in the hands of another person and just follow. I am sure there is more.

  163. Conspiracy Libertarians start with a predetermined truth and find facts to fit that truth.

    Noah I see how you stuck “libertarian” in there. Do you think conspiracy conservatives don’t exist? 😊

  164. Dumbass maybe. Scumbag?

    Yes.

    “Since his vice presidential nomination, Joe Biden’s 2007 statement that a “guy who allegedly … drank his lunch” and drove the truck that struck and killed his first wife and daughter has gained national media traction. Alcohol didn’t play a role in the 1972 crash, investigators found. But as recently as last week, the syndicated TV show Inside Edition aired a clip from 2001 of Biden describing the accident to an audience at the University of Delaware and saying the truck driver “stopped to drink instead of drive.” The senator’s statements don’t jibe with news and law enforcement reports from the time, which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/32346/biden-why-would-you-exaggerate-kevin-d-williamson

  165. I left you a link about school non compliance with ADA mandates with parking, pussnut. Explain that.

  166. Tigre… Come on…. I can’t believe your such a sheeple. They built a fake school and used actors. Deal with it. Because that’s totally possible in the real world and lots of grown ups know its possible.

  167. “I wasn’t saying Republicans consider confiscation a solution. They fear that Democrats view it that way. In other words, Dem’s won’t mention where this really needs to go and Republicans know exactly where it needs to go and they are against it.”

    Approximately nothing needs to go where Dems think it really needs to go.

    Gun violence is not a republican problem. Confiscate the guns from Democrats and watch gun violence drop.

    Adam Lanza is not the poster boy for gun violence.

  168. Evidently 6+ year old level reasoning leads people to conclude that Trump might get us bombed if he verbally hits someone in the feels.

    Or was that an insignificant comment not directed at anyone in particular?

  169. R
    Conspiracy Liberals/Progressives who insist that the Republicans are the party of racists when it was they who held the slaves and they that formed the KKK and they that launched a eugenics campaign. Sure. There are all kinds of conspiracy theorists, we just happened to be talking about Poolman. The Libertarian/Asperger Conspiracy theorist is an island unto itself and is unique even in the world of conspiracies.

  170. Yes, Huck.

    Lurker’s irony is too good to pass up.

    “Authoritarian father figure” is “authoritarian mother figure” as a Hillary description. The FBI report shows she follows different rules than the rest of us.

    Maria Katasonova staged a pro- Trump demonstration outside of the American embassy today. She and the Russians interviewed gave some of the same opinions that we have written here.

    Please keep writing, Lurker. You are increasing traffic to Rutherford’s blog.

  171. “Yes and the worship of an authoritarian figure or the father figure. One they can follow but not need to make a decision on their own or accept responsibility for their actions or failures. They would rather put in the hands of another person and just follow. I am sure there is more.”

    Good grief is that parody? (ht to tt)

  172. “Because that’s totally possible in the real world and lots of grown ups know its possible.”

    Unlike using Photoshop to edit out things like blue lines and signs from a parking lot, which is utterly impossible.

  173. Explain that.

    That was a decent effort on your part, el Tigre. I read the link and it states that many schools in rural Iowa have problems complying with the current ADA requirements. They do mention parking and signage as common areas of non compliance, but offered no specifics or example. The main focus was on students’ educational needs and accessibility issues inside these facilities that were still lacking. So it would appear there are some schools in America that are behind the previous and current ADA compliance standards.

    But we are discussing new england and not the midwest. And we are talking about required signage, the least expensive of these compliance requirements.

    So I will bury the bone and we’ll go with the school was operating in a total non compliant manner regards the ADA. Let’s call that a nothing burger. If true, it makes me question why they budgeted the new buzz-you-in security system they supposedly just installed if they could not afford a few hundred bucks for compliant signs to keep them from getting any fines imposed? Some people’s priorities, right? I wonder if Iowa has the same ADA compliance enforcement police patrols that Connecticut does. Apparently those officers say they generate decent revenue AND raise public awareness.

    The parking lot in question does not look as if it has been maintained, let alone recently used as it would be in an active school. Ie: tire marks, oil stains, etc. There are some really good overhead shots showing a lot of detail. This little exercise has gotten me scrutinizing them again.

    I still haven’t found a bike rack. Every elementary school has one. I’ll poke around to see where they put it I haven’t found it. It should be pretty full.

    So, since you did make an honest effort, I will try to understand your parent question. The school had been meeting in a different location for some time, though enrollment was still under Sandy Hook Elementary. Parents would already be familiar with where their kids were coming and going. If you are talking about the ‘parents’ of the ‘victims’, you’ll find them all at the firehouse participating in the drill that was going on. Plenty of pictures of that too.

  174. Unlike using Photoshop to edit out things like blue lines and signs from a parking lot, which is utterly impossible.

    It always leaves a trace and since there are multiple shots from various angles it would easy to detect.

    The shot I posted was the cnn news screen shot. It is probably the least detailed available, but can be checked for accuracy at their youtube site. I don’t think you would accuse them of removing those markers. But let’s call it out. There are much better shots of that lot on that morning.

    Like this

    or this.

    And find me that bike rack, would you. I have been all over these grounds and can’t locate it. Things that make you go hmmmmm, indeed.

  175. No bikes or scooters. The google overhead doesn’t have the green dumpsters like a real school or like the shooting shot does. They are empty on this morning, but there non the less. The google shows off the baseball diamond. Hmmmmmmm.

    So, no ADA compliance evident outside
    no bike rack in sight or any bike racks
    no dumpsters in google overhead and the ones in the shoot appear empty.

    hmmmmmm…..

    Circumstantial, certainly. But somebody is claiming murder and let’s get dem guns!!!

    Oh, and our government just paid for a brand spanking new school for them. Victim status is the same as cash in obamaland. .

  176. School was open before and after as per test results and waiver filed for skipping testing in the year of incident.
    Rutherford you suck because you let the sodomizer of little kids breath. You’re responsible for him since he is clearly ignorant and irresponsible.

  177. This toon gets really amped when anyone questions the officials. I wonder which order it belongs to? It doesn’t respond in a real person fashion.

    In its toon mind, questioning parking lot compliance makes one a sexual pervert of the worst kind. It must have been similarly abused as an early toon or in its pre toon developmental years. It can cite protocol but fails to acknowledge when those protocols are not followed.

    If it had real cognitive abilities or could see with its painted pupils, it would understand that a building is not the same as its pupils. Student bodies don’t have walls and windows. I have maintained that the student body known as sandy hook continued to exist outside the building shown in the links preceding.

  178. I’m shocked! 😯 Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook infamy endorsed Hillary Clinton, then took three paragraphs to describe it’s not because Hillary is a woman. I’m sure… 😈

  179. Yup…. Poolman uses murdered 1st graders as props in his dungeon and dragons role play game.

    Sick fuck deserves the gang stalkers that are probably ever so slowly tightening their surveillance of him. I know you see them poolman.

  180. Poolman Obama uses (allegedly) murdered 1st graders as props in his dungeon and dragons role play game. FIFY

  181. Obama uses murdered anything as props. Everything is a prop to the left. Lable it; use it as a prop.

    Poolman, the fact that you don’t find any problems with the absolutely most ridiculous narrative a bag of weed and pack of rolling papers can come up with says all that needs to be said. Start with conclusion, look for anything your tiny mind can’t explain in under 10 seconds on the internet (Iowa link, took me 5 seconds, but I haven’t been smoking weed for 50 years), and there’s your proof. Didn’t even wonder how it is that elementary school actors magically appeared in the same school district and never moved on to middle school (or did) without anyone noticing. And we have drone bugs landing on your wife’s ass in the garden to boot.

    Someone claiming to search for truth that never challenges his own assumptions. A sign of brilliance. 😆

  182. Poolman, the fact that you don’t find any problems with the absolutely most ridiculous narrative

    It is BECAUSE I find problems with the ridiculous narrative that I seek out fraud and fiction.

    How many bullets have you seen sticking out of anyone’s leg while they walk around the size of an index finger – I kid you not – captain obvious?

  183. Poolman, red vehicles are used on purpose. Have you noticed?

    Everything done by society is on purpose. Refracted light gives us the color spectrum. The color red triggers blood symbolism in our psyche. Against a white signifying innocence or purity.

    Was it the roadkill bro that taught you how to react to red vehicles?

  184. You can;t explain the fake school crappola, fuckface. If you can’t explain the bullet, much like my 5 second score on the impossible non-compliance of ADA parking at schools that you hang your stupidity on, maybe you could do a 10 minute Google search for yourself this time. . . before the bag of weed.

    Every claim of proof you contend dispositive is disproved in minutes over and over and over and over. Now we have your entire scenario, a fake school made of fake actors that just moves into a neighborhood unnoticed, totally unexplained — but by God unless someone has an explanation for dumpsters that you’re too fucking dumb to investigate yourself, why fake school it is.

    You’re so dumb, you won’t even accept that reverse logic that gets you to your dumb conclusions is flawed. We had a whole discussion on the burden to prove resting on the one whose conclusions is offered, and you say “nope” it’s the other way around. The other guy has to disprove. Duh.

    So, in Poolman’s THC induced universe, if I can’t explain Stonehenge, the earth is a fictitious planet ruled by giant baby pandas if you say so. Fuck a toddler is smarter than you.

    Fake school it is. You nailed it with the parking spots and dumpsters. You convinced yourself all the while never challenging your dumb assumptions. Stoooopid. Stooooooopid! God, it’s so stupid it burns.

    STOOOOOPID!!!!!!

  185. The third party train has left the
    station. “trying to find the in between.” Its gone.

    “As it withers and dies through all our mistakes.” A national suicide notion from New Zealand.

  186. Regardless what an uneducated eyewitness stated is there othe things that could’ve been sticking out? Yes!
    There is a school near me that doesn’t have a dumpster. They have like ten wheeled barrel things that live inside the building. Cuts down on vermin and firebugs allegedly.
    Sandy Hook was schooling up third grade don’t know if why a bike rack existed. Was there one and then not?

  187. The problem with engaging the 50 year old fantasy boy is he gets off on it.

    Dude has got way more attention he deserves over the the last couple days.

    Sick fucks like him don’t even care when laughable fantasies don’t hold up to even a 6 year old’s logic…. It’s all part of the fetish.

    A fake school with actors. Lol.

  188. It’s 59, you belly floppin’ bunny. 😛

    I’ve earned that nine. I’ll be the one to sell myself short.

    Now about that bullet…

  189. maybe you could do a 10 minute Google search for yourself this time. . . before the bag of weed.

    ogle google your own self, cool hand. But yeah, a quick search and proof of fraud pops up right away. Sort of like those old pillsbury dough boy’s wares. 😆

    Jump in, the water’s perfect.

  190. pools your deep rooted need for false religion narratives,fantasy conspiracies and the anti-child vileness of your persistent presentations here are indicative of an abused person. Your childhood as I understand it also serves as reasons to believe you were abused and have chosen to abuse others.

  191. I haven’t contributed much today cos I had to attend the memorial service of one of my wife’s elderly relatives, a woman I quite liked.

    In the pew in front of me was a 90 year old man and while the assembled prayed, I thought about how terrified this man must be knowing his time would soon be up. But then I thought about the comfort he and the others got from their faith. The Presbyterian minister told us all how happy Carol is now, talking with Jesus. The service program had a passage where Carol said she’d see us all again someday.

    Billions of people have died. How would I ever find her? I’m not mocking. I’m asking a practical question.

    Maybe as I get nearer to death, I’ll be able to suspend disbelief. For now, all I saw at that church were a bunch of old people lined up to die. It was depressing.

  192. Don’t be depressed, Rutherford. Enjoy life. Enjoy spending time with your family. Teach your daughter and those around you the lessons you’ve learned, while also learning from them all.

  193. Reviewing my Sandy Hook files I found that there were three dumpsters. Active work orders and budgeting for upkeep. WTF are the conspiracy humps on about? Blue fucking paint?

  194. Fascinating when the establishment guy openly gets away with having an illegal prostitute den as a home solely because he is gay.

    Also gets caught using his corrupt influence to get his lead male prostitute out of 30 parking tickets.

    Of course none of this compares to his disgusting role in the housing collapse.

    Fuck the establishment!

  195. Thing is Rutherford the people that line up in church pews are “in” on the reason not to be afraid or even fail to look forward to it in some ways.
    With your belief system though why does it even matter. Physiologically you will either be painfully and no doubt sorrowfully aware of your impending cessation of life or you’ll just peacefully drift away.
    Be more focused on the living and legacy aspects of your life bro,like Huck said.

  196. Rutherford, we are all waiting to die, and anything could take us. As a season ends, savor it, because something is waiting up ahead.

    The other advice is good. We can’t do anything about it so after some sadness enjoy yourself.

    The video “Take Me Away” that I posted earlier wittingly or unwittingly hints at the comfort one may find in death.

  197. As Alfie wrote, you may be painfully or sadly aware of your own demise, or you may react as I did when the train hit us.

    My first thought was “This is it. Damn, I like this car.”

  198. Anyone interested in a totalitarian Japan rising Hillary tee shirt?

    Or maybe you prefer the Jew Face Bernie tee sold at the DNC Convention.

  199. Muffy regarding Biden, I’m not sure which is more reprehensible:

    A man falsely blaming a man as a drunk driver when he’s dead and can no longer defend himself

    OR

    A publication getting in the middle of (and politicizing) a man’s grieving process after a devastating tragedy that might make any of us cling to a false conclusion to make sense of it.

  200. “A publication getting in the middle of (and politicizing) a man’s grieving process after a devastating tragedy that might make any of us cling to a false conclusion to make sense of it.”

    HE used the event to sell himself politically. Fair game.

  201. “2016 Google image of Newtown HS shows handicap spots without blue paint

    Well that proves it. The fake school is still fake.

  202. p.s. With all due respect Rutherford, most folks know or work to learn the details of a family members tragic death in considerable detail. Joe is and has always been a bullshitter about every-fucking-thing. From his academic experience and performance, to his fond recollections of the hood that turned out to be totally made up. A total phoney. His revisionism deserves no dignity.

  203. For now, all I saw at that church were a bunch of old people lined up to die. It was depressing.

    Perspective again. We are all made to fear death in our culture. Yet it always has been a part of the cycle of life. A seed has to die to create a tree. We live on in our children and their children and so on. But life is much more than the flesh tent you haul around until it gives out. Life is energy is light is eternal, given by the Creator and through Him all things consist.

    Have you ever met someone and felt you knew them already? Have you ever visited familiar places that you never had been to before? Sentient?

  204. Dickhead you’ve lost. If you scroll the entire town none of the schools and none of the public buildings are in compliance with the color code you have so dickheadedly hung your hat on. You can however see private enterprises that are,some restraints and strip mall areas stood out for me. You can prattle and link all you want your position has no ground.
    Again you’ve LOST
    btw your image shows an entrance and ramp not a parking spot
    YOU LOST!
    I will never ever engage you again. I have left you beaten,yet again, but you’re too much a dickhead and liar to ever accept it.
    There is no cure for you as you are a terminal cancer. Sadly you’ve infected Rutherford to the point that helping him is also beyond hope.

  205. Hawley Elementary is an elementary school that is 1.32 miles (as the crow flies) from the brand new sandy hook elementary (or the old one if you prefer) and its parking lot complies. White markings with signage are also designating their handicapped spaces like the hs. Stoopid toon..

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hawley+Elementary+School/@41.4152032,-73.3030857,152m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xb818d38614b456ce!8m2!3d41.4147709!4d-73.3024021

    Maybe you should erase the red in your eye circles and re read this thread slowly with a desire to understand it and not just react to it. . .

    “Accessible parking spaces must be identified by signs that include the International Symbol of Accessibility. ”

  206. It’s too late to stop the train wreck. Election 2016 will go down in the annuals of history as the election of “Vote Against”. The majority of voters will be voting against Trump or against HRC. IMO there will be a minority of “Vote For” voters.

    In the coming months the process will be one of slinging insults rather than promoting platforms. However most voters aren’t really fixating on true facts since we’ve become a nation of “negative” opinions based on fear and hate.

    I’ve listened to both parties and the underlying theme is “I Want Someone to Fix It”. That is the crux of the problem. Entitlements have become the norm not the exception. The foundation is the vital support structure not the top so “hope and change” has to come from ourselves and our community on the local level.

    Unlike any other decade social media has transformed society. However that media can be used for good as well as evil so it’s time to stop pointing fingers at “It” and use it for “hope and change”.

    Emily/Raji

  207. “The ultimate in Bullshit politics. Hillary parades a family out to be against Donald Trump and she uses their sacrifice to turn you against Trump. Let’s think about this. 1) The Khan family lost a son in the Iraq War. He was a US Marine. 2) The Khan Family is Muslim. 3) Hillary voted FOR the Iraq War. 4) Trump has been AGAINST the Iraq War from the beginning. 5) Khan’s son was killed by a Muslim Terrorist. 6) Trump wants Muslim Terrorists screened out of the refugee pool, stating that he’d rather accept NO ONE until adequate measures are in place. 7) Hillary wants MORE Muslim refugees to enter the United States whether they come with Terrorists that will kill us or not. And Khan is angry with Trump? Sorry for your loss, Mr Khan, but you’re a Dem Tool and a Fool.

  208. Have you ever visited familiar places that you never had been to before?

    If you’re referring to deja vu, yes I’ve experienced it many times and it’s quite eerie. I have heard a biological explanation for it. It’s a temporary glitch in the nervous system whereby you sense something but there is a delay in processing such that when it is processed it is perceived as having already been sensed.

  209. Sadly you’ve infected Rutherford to the point that helping him is also beyond hope.

    With respect Alfie, I dismissed Poolman’s nutty Sandy Hook thing in a short couple of paragraphs. It is you who seem to have believed you could get a surrender from Pools. Conspiracy nuts never surrender.

    The man believes we never walked on the moon.

    By the way, Poolman Ive been meaning to ask you. Are you sure the moon is really up there or are we seeing a projection in the sky kinda like the Batsignal?

  210. Hillary parades a family out to be against Donald Trump and she uses their sacrifice to turn you against Trump. …

    Noah the analysis you quoted is flawed. Point 4 is flat out wrong. Trump was for the Iraq war before he was against it. The video record proves this.

    Second, your entire premise is facaca. Mr. Khan was speaking out against his perceived discrimination against all Muslims on the part of Trump. Your argument doesn’t address that.

    Trump himself made a far more controversial and on-point response. Khan made a tactical error by not ensuring that his wife speak. While we heard Khan’s words, we SAW the very stereotype of misogynist Islam, a silent obedient woman in oppressive attire. The imagery sucked and Trump nailed it.

  211. As an unquestioning consumer of all things media Rutherford you might not be aware that Trump did not call for a ban on all things Muslim. He called for a temporary ban on Muslims from areas that we cannot properly vet. I agree with this 110% because I believe in self preservation. In the last 2 months excluding Syria, there has been a terrorist attack every 83 hours. Trump’s position is justified, the left’s is not and my argument is still valid.

  212. As an unquestioning consumer of all things media Rutherford you might not be aware that Trump did not call for a ban on all things Muslim.

    Noah, as a self professed logician it is important you read EVERY word I write. I referred to Khan’s PERCEPTION that Trump is discriminating against all Muslims. I did not state it was a fact.

  213. Rutherford, Trump is for the things that would have his son probably still being alive. He is for things that would have those people in Florida still alive. My argument stands and it is still correct. Khan is working against his own interests and fears by supporting Hillary.

  214. I and several others criticized for faulty thinking. She answered that we were making too much of a trivial thing she had done. It was symptomatic of witless Trump supporters.

    She didn’t realize that her failure to process information competantly was a larger problem than she advertised.

    Khan, while sincere was guilty of the Lurker’s failure. Noah is right. So is Emily. The inability to think clearly while emotions rule is reaching critical mass.

    Someone must have taken Trump’s point as a winner. The couple appeared on ABC, and Mrs. K talked.

  215. To say Trump “was for the war” because he once said “I guess” on the Howard Stern show is just not honest.

    That being said, he wasn’t really against it either. He was nothing……

    The Iraq War had to happen. There was no stopping it. It’s flawed neocon execution was the problem.

    Trump refuses to play the game. That’s what is cool about Trump. Romeny would have attached a leash on his own neck and begged for forgiveness. Hopefully Trump is setting an example for how to deal with liberals for the next 50 years.

    The old trick of politicizing a sacred and revered cow won’t work on Trump because everybody is yawning over the played out parlor game and don’t give a shit if Trump donkey punches said cow.

  216. The Iraq War had to happen. There was no stopping it. It’s flawed neocon execution was the problem.

    Nonsense. It was falsely tied to 911. 50’s era nuke scare routine was used. Saddam gassed his own people. So fucking what? We are awfully selective about our outrage.

    Obliterate the training camps in Afghanistan (good, we did that). Get fucking serious with Saudi Arabia. We didn’t do that because we are oil whores.

  217. By the way, Poolman Ive been meaning to ask you. Are you sure the moon is really up there or are we seeing a projection in the sky kinda like the Batsignal?

    😆 My best guess this is ALL holodeck. I haven’t been given the answer and I’ve not been close enough to touch and taste. We claim we have rocks from it. They seem otherworldly, but then so are meteors.

    I think it solid in the same way we perceive things solid. I have also heard it is a vessel, like the death star, that got stuck in our radiation fields.

  218. I think if Jill Stein and Gary Johnson did a ticket on a third party they could take this. I’m not 100 percent trusting or behind either of them, but I think if they merged those two platforms and put forth a real effort they could generate support and give these other two royals a run for their money.

    We wouldn’t have the press, but it could actually make them irrelevant too. 🙂

    Maybe I’m a dreamer, but I would put my support behind that. Vermin is just not ready for prime time. Not that I have a problem at all with Mr. Supreme, but prime time in America is a tweaked version of what real prosperity is. That would probably be as close to giving it a chance as I can think. I am solution driven by fault.

  219. A Stein/Johnson ticket could not happen. They differ far too sharply on fiscal matters.

    I heard a notion that Trump may refuse to debate if Johnson and Stein are not included. Trump does better on a diluted debate stage.

  220. “Nonsense. It was falsely tied to 911. 50’s era nuke scare routine was used. Saddam gassed his own people. So fucking what? We are awfully selective about our outrage.”

    A routine was used alright….by Saddam Hussein himself. Dude pretended he still had his WMD (which he wasn’t afraid to use). Coupled with the utter shock of 911…. Your hindsight 20 20 bull shit is classic Rutherfordian garbage.

    Still… The point is Trump. As a private citizen in 2003 on the Howard Stern show… A passing comment of “I guess”…. And you act like he voted for the war? Dumb dumb stuff. TV spoon fed stuff.

  221. A Stein/Johnson ticket could not happen. They differ far too sharply on fiscal matters.

    How narrow is your vision really? Of course you can’t answer that. I am trying to devise a way we can make this work. If no one thinks it can, it won’t. But go ahead and follow those that will say one thing and do another. Look at how well that has worked out.

  222. Sellouts have to sing, Rutherford. It’s called paying the devil his her due. You don’t think they give fame out without expecting steady r.o.i., do you?

  223. And you act like he voted for the war? Dumb dumb stuff. TV spoon fed stuff.

    No, he never voted for anything ever. And THAT is part of the problem. For some 30 years he has talked out of his ass as every private citizen has a right to do.

    Listen to his stump speech Rabbit. He’s still acting like he’s on the fucking Howard Stern show.

  224. But go ahead and follow those that will say one thing and do another. Look at how well that has worked out.

    You’re lecturing the wrong guy. I’m voting for Jill Stein.

  225. “He’s still acting like he’s on the fucking Howard Stern show.”

    I know. It’s at times very much needed yet very concerning.

    The guy is a the epitome of a nationalist bafoon.

  226. So now it’s not the color of lines? Sheesh.

    I thought the damn ADA link the Dickhead posted explicitly stated that the new rules applied to new construction or alteration, and that remaining in compliance with the 1991 standards was sufficient (i.e grandfathered in). Was the school built between 2010 and 2011?

    I would also assume the local ordinances have similar grandfather clauses. That’s why surrounding business and outlets would appear out of compliance. And the picture of that school that Dickhead said was nearby sure likes like a pretty new building.

  227. Saddam refused inspectors in violation of the agreement. Then he played up having possession of WMDs. Why is that always forgotten by the left?

  228. Congrats Pools. You have seduced Alfie and Tigre into expending precious minutes of their lives that they can never get back refuting your patently ridiculous claim. The funny part is the only one gaining any real satisfaction from this exchange is you.

  229. Wow. That new Sandy Hook school is fucking gorgeous. What’s the problem with it? I’d like a tour. I could have R join and meet him at the blue handicapped spots with the signs as required for new construction after 2010.

  230. He played up? What is this, high school? This is war dude. You don’t put American lives at risk with faulty intelligence. Oh … and I’m pretty sure some in the intel community told Bush/Cheney the wmd weren’t there.

  231. “He played up? What is this, high school? This is war dude.”

    Huh? Would you prefer baited, or thumbed his nose, or defiantly challenged? What is this, preschool?

  232. How can you be sure Bush-Cheney knew the WMD weren’t there? Time Magazine reported that even Sadam’s own generals were surprised when he told them the WMD did not exist.

    I opposed the war until our niece, her husband and some of our children’s class mates were deployed.

  233. I would also assume the local ordinances have similar grandfather clauses.

    What do you REALLY do for a living? It damn sure doesn’t require serious thinking. And if you are truly what you claim, you ought to be able to come up with that grandfather clause you assume.
    Let me suggest There is NO grandfathering a SIGN rule. . They were REQUIRED to be added to existing spaces as well as any new. Blue and white ARE the official colors of the INTERNATIONAL handicap symbol. Not yellow. The ADA adapted this in 2004. Then they made more updates in 2010. I would say 8 years is not reasonable to comply with installing the correct approved PARKING LOT signage. And don’t tell me these lots are not painted in 8 years. Try to stick to parking lots, would you? The ADA covers plenty more subjects and you keep moving the goalposts.

    And the picture of that school that Dickhead said was nearby sure likes like a pretty new building.

    Architecture apparently isn’t a part of your knowledge base either…
    “The building that now houses Hawley School was built from donations to Newtown by Mary Elizabeth Hawley in 1921, and was in fact named after her parents.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtown_Public_Schools

  234. Just read what you supplied. Apparently you didn’t, Dickhead.

    I don’t have access to Newtown ordinances in their entirety. If you do, why don’t you post them?

    This is your dumb fantasy, Dickhead.

  235. The picture of the Hawley School was posted by you, Dickhead. What was your point? No new construction or something?

  236. “Let me suggest There is NO grandfathering a SIGN rule. . They were REQUIRED to be added to existing spaces as well as any new.”

    Suggest away. I used to work in a building that was non ADA compliant (no elevators or ramps and no signs). I guess that didn’t happen because you have suggested there’s no grandfathering. And to that I would suggest your are a fucking moron.

    Here’s your link:

    https://adata.org/factsheet/parking

    And right up front:

    “New construction projects must meet minimum standards with very few exceptions; alterations are also subject to strict requirements, although they may be more affected by existing structural conditions. Existing buildings and facilities which are not undergoing planned alterations are viewed a little differently.”

    “The 2010 regulations include a “safe harbor” for features that already comply with the 1991 standards, but may not meet the new 2010 standards. . . If the lot is altered after that time, it will then be brought into compliance with the 2010 standards, to the maximum extent feasible.”

    That’s your link. You didn’t quote that part, just the other stuff. Why not?

  237. Oh, posted a picture of the “Staples High School” in Westport:

    The GE image for Hawley doesn’t show any signs that I could spot.

  238. You have seduced Alfie and Tigre into expending precious minutes of their lives that they can never get back refuting your patently ridiculous claim. The funny part is the only one gaining any real satisfaction from this exchange is you.

    Rutherford, you will probably not understand much of this, but let me refute what you just said.

    I have an obligation to get to the truth and get that out. Let’s call it God’s call or curse on my life. I will be not be satisfied until all truth is revealed. It’s my daily prayer and pursuit. My every breath. The ‘funny’ is no one really wants truth. They want comfort.

    The sh was brought up in your post and my comment to you that it was all staged. I absolutely believe that and there are many people sacrificing their livelihoods to get this truth out. The government has done nothing but stall investigations and conceal real evidence.

    I posted a link with 10 reasons that it could not be real. Since it wasn’t likely you would consider it as you have made up your mind based entirely on teevee, I appealed to your handicap status, listing 1 (one) of the points given in the article.

    I figured you of all people would be aware of the international handicap symbol and when it began appearing in parking lots in america. Especially since you have a daughter in school, specifically public elementary schools. AND you lived in Connecticut.

    The public school system very much depends on state and federal agencies and their regulators to make sure they get their funding and accreditation. You know about school budgets? I know a lot of educators. Keeping updated on compliance issues is a MAJOR part of a school board’s concern.

    It is all about dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.

    The planners of this event evidently overlooked a few.

  239. The war in Iraq had to happen. Saddam violated 3 UN sanctions. HE fired on our aircraft in southern Iraq. He was telling his own generals, (one who we had turned) that he was still producing WMD’s. We either dissolve the UN or we back its resolutions. There was no choice, Iraq had to fall.

  240. A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL is not a private eye clinic. You are all over the map here. The link I posted to GE had a picture of the school in the view on my browser. But you apparently don’t know how to use GE, or maybe you are in an elevator on your phone.

    The GE image for Hawley doesn’t show any signs that I could spot.

    GE won’t let you do a virtual tour of these schools, but there are plenty of ways to ‘see’ into the spaces they do offer. Let me clue you in, if possible. Shadows. Look at the shadows. Here is one with more sun angle.

  241. “Muffy regarding Biden, I’m not sure which is more reprehensible:

    A man falsely blaming a man as a drunk driver when he’s dead and can no longer defend himself

    OR

    A publication getting in the middle of (and politicizing) a man’s grieving process after a devastating tragedy that might make any of us cling to a false conclusion to make sense of it.”

    The false accusation is reprehensible. The other one is just stupid.

    Joe isn’t the only one with a family, Mr Compassion. The other driver was not drinking, Scumbag repeatedly lies about it, the man’s family has had to try and stop Scumbag from saying it. The other driver was cleared of any wrongdoing. She pulled out from a stop sign and he hit the side of her car.

    What if it was being said about your father?

    “That’s about the best they can do in condemning Uncle Joe.”

    Evidently not.

  242. “A PUBLIC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL is not a private eye clinic.”

    It is under the regulations you cited, Dickhead. I did a little sliding around at Alfie’s invite and confirmed what he said. The literal impossibility of the parking paint (that you now run away from) and the signage exists all over the place around the school.

    Did I misquote the ADA page you linked to as well?

    I don’t see any of the shadows you are now claiming you intended to use as proof rather than Staples School you now claim you didn’t even though you went out of your way to find an image of handicap signs facing the school. But I could and it wouldn’t make a difference, particularly without proof that there wasn’t new construction or alteration or voluntary compliance.

    Truth Seeking Dickhead, why don’t you have answers for these things? You live and breath your stupid, poorly researched, ill-considered, easily disproven conspiracy theories like the bong smoke that envelopes your barely functioning brain. Surely you’ve looked into these things that Alfie and I spent precious few minutes asking compared to your years of heady Youtube “research.” After all, this is serious business and just throwing out momentary imponderables would never meet your intellectually rigorous standards.

  243. Would you prefer baited, or thumbed his nose, or defiantly challenged?

    Looks to me like you’re ripe for a Trump presidency. Hey, thumb your nose at me and I’ll invade your country.

  244. What if it was being said about your father?

    It would bug me but I think I might also take into account the accusers state of mind.

    My defense of Biden had no sarcasm directed at you. Why can’t you be civil?

  245. “A publication getting in the middle of (and politicizing) a man’s grieving process after a devastating tragedy that might make any of us cling to a false conclusion to make sense of it.”

    PS…Scumbag knows its not true. He’s not clinging or trying to make sense of it. He’s lying. He goes on Inside Edition and says it. There’s no publication victimizing Scumbag.

  246. “Hey, thumb your nose at me and I’ll invade your country.”

    Yep. That was what I said.

    There’s those killer debate skillz showing again!

  247. DICKHEAD You’re a fucking troll not a truth seeker! We’ve used your tools and links and more importantly went to the official government site of the ADA.
    Here take the FUCKING four page PDF that the FUCKING ADA folks will gladly GIVE YOU. READ the motherfucking thing! See that color is not dictated! See that if you have 4 or less spots you DON’T NEED A MOTHERFUCKING SIGN!

    Aerial footage of Sandy Hook Elementary shows FOUR MOTHERFUCKING HANDICAP SPOTS. BY MOTHERFUCKING LAW THEY DID NOT NEED TO HAVE THE VERTICAL SIGNS. ALSO THE FEDS ALLOW LOCAL/STATE GOVERNMENT TO PICK THE MOTHERFUCKING COLORS. THE MOTHERFUCKING CRUCIAL EFFECTIVE DATES REGARDS ADA ARE 1991 AND 2010!!!!!!!!!!
    Newtown school budget records show no approval,planning or expenditures on Sandy Hooks parking lot and in fact not the other schools either.
    You’re a fucking liar and you are purposely trying to agitate NOT educate. You are intentionally,willfully and in no small manner maliciously being ignorant to the truth being showered upon your pathetic ass.
    You are fucking vermin! You and sick fucks like you just think if day after day you babble your shit sooner or later decent people just give up. Well fuck you!

  248. Stay on point Wrongway. Youre forgetting your big problem with Hillary’s lying. Otherwise youd love her, remember.

  249. Mmm you kinda lost me again Rightwing, but why don’t we summarize.

    You pulled a lot of bullshit the guy said 30 years ago and stuff he said involving the death of half his family. I can take all that and still consider today’s Joe Biden as benign Uncle Joe. Not terribly bright. Not even POTUS material. But not in the scumbag area either.

    As for Hillary, you fully understand me. I support the Dem platform. I do not believe she has the character to be POTUS. If she did, I would vote for her. In fact the party elite do not have the character to earn my support. Which is why I will no longer self-identify as a Democrat.

  250. “I can take all that and still consider today’s Joe Biden as benign Uncle Joe.”

    He lied about the drunk driver in 2007, dingbat.

  251. I separated the two parts, wingnut. Part 1 was the 30 year old shit. Part 2 was the family tragedy which he’d probably lie about today cos he’s fucked in the head about it.

    This is like arguing about liking spinach. You think he’s an irredeemable scumbag. I don’t. End of story.

    Now go help Tigre and Alfie. Maybe your sharp argumentative skills will make Poolman surrender.

  252. “He played up? What is this, high school? This is war dude. You don’t put American lives at risk with faulty intelligence” .

    Why… wouldn’t that be awesome if we knew when any intelligence was “faulty”?

    Oh sorry… This war dude…. All intel will never be wrong. We will bat a 1000.

  253. Sorry your imagery is being challenged because you don’t know anything about the guy other than what MSNBC shows you. I remember fondly your ignorant love of Al Sharpton.

    Biden is a piece of shit with a Hillary-like urge to lie about his past.

  254. Remember this old chestnut about Biden’s hood:

    “BIDEN: Can I respond? Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years. And then ask them whether there’s a single major initiative that John McCain differs with the president on. On taxes, on Iraq, on Afghanistan, on the whole question of how to help education, on the dealing with health care.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/joe_biden_and_the_truth.html

    Even RCP called bullshit:

    “It came as a surprise to us in Delaware that Joe Biden recently had a meal and talked with patrons at Katie’s Restaurant on Union Street in Wilmington,” said an email to National Review Online.

    “Katie’s Restaurant closed years ago. It was on Scott Street in Little Italy.”

    As Biden said in the same debate, “the truth matters.” Much like his defamatory statements about the truck driver he conveniently mischaracterizes to sell himself. If I were that driver or a member of his family, I’d go after the fucker. R, who knows nothing about it, reactively excuses the creepy, old, lying sack of shit because MSNBC likes to consider him
    “Uncle Joe.”

  255. Rutherford made the blockheaded claim that plagiarism was “about the best they can do in condemning Uncle Joe.” Wrong, of course.

    Biden was caught plagiarizing, lies about his blue collar upbringing and his academic acheivements, makes false accusation (which most people understand is wretched), tells a changing story about his dying son’s wishes that Biden run for president (wtf?), race baits, gropes women.

    Of course these behaviors are not “unredeemable” (R’s word not mine) but behavior worthy of condemnation nonetheless? Yep.

    The rest is just Ruthergord flapping around like a dodo bird

  256. Yes and the worship of an authoritarian figure or the father figure. – JAL

    Who the fuck is “they”? Last I checked, most here don’t like Trump either, but then the alternative is a hell of a lot worse.

    You’ve been deep-throating Obama for eight years, slurping up every single executive order and unilateral action he has ordered. So next time you want to cast disparages at others, you might want to look in the mirror, there’s something on your chin…

  257. I remember fondly your ignorant love of Al Sharpton.

    You’re gonna have to prove that Sparky. I’ve never liked Rev Al.

    But you are right that the lib media doesn’t discuss Biden’s tragedy other than to say it was a tragedy.

    The plagiarism, yeah they cover that.

  258. I bet the guy from the car accident hated Biden’s fucking guts.

    Not rocket science. I’d hate Biden if he slandered me as a drunk. BUT I might also give him a pass based on his loss.

  259. “You’re gonna have to prove that Sparky. I’ve never liked Rev Al.”

    Ah, before I go looking, I’d be interested if you remember the exchange. I accused you of being star struck and you said that you were. You also challenged my assertion that I found him personable and I had I not known what a total piece of shit he was would probably have reported that I thought of him as a pretty decent guy. You went off into weirdo land about that.

    Do you have a different recollection?

  260. “The plagiarism, yeah they cover that.”

    They do? Where? When? I never see that covered in the MSM. I do see them look the other way at the creepy old fucker’s inappropriate touching and innuendo-laden comments around women and little girls. So, they don’t cover that either.

  261. Oooh. I’m getting warmer. This generally unchallenged assertion from a year ago:

    You don’t find Sharpton insignificant at all liar. It seems like only yesterday you bust a gut about my interaction with him — you insisting on something so stupid it could only be described as one of you verbiage games. It ended with an admission that you I was supposed to be star struck by him and you were jealous. Apparently you have since learned who he is — and that ain’t “insignificant” to Rutherford Lawson.

    El Tigre , August 8, 2015 at 6:42 pm

  262. “Biden gropes women?”

    Yes, jester. In the real world we understand that this behavior is unwelcome, improper, and shows very poor judgment and impulse control. Women don’t like it, men shouldn’t do it, and men who don’t do it don’t like seeing it either.

    From a woman’s perspective –
    http://victorygirlsblog.com/v-p-groping-joe-biden-habitually-touches-women-girls/

    Even from fellow liberal douchbag Jawn Stewart’s perspective –
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/Daily-Show-blasts-Biden-for-groping-Philly-born-officials-wife.html

    Do you ever look up from your belly button? It’s how he rolls.

  263. I used to work for a man who when no one else was around would unzip his fly and go through this elaborate drawn-out process of tucking in his shirt. He’d do this in the middle of conversation that made walking away seem rude or otherwise difficult. By design of course. Finally I just busted out “why do you do that?” and he played it off like “what’d I do?”

    Fucking weirdo.

    But I’m sure he was just coping with some tragic event in the only way he knew how.

  264. DNC finds the 1 thing that will stick to Trump–the parents of a dead soldier.

    Why it seems like just last week we were hearing from a parent about how wrong it is to use dead family members for political purposes.

    And of course the idiot Trump walked right into it.

  265. You also challenged my assertion that I found him personable and I had I not known what a total piece of shit he was would probably have reported that I thought of him as a pretty decent guy.

    Yeah I do remember that exchange that you’d actually met him. What I don’t recall is saying I particularly liked him. I probably got into a nitpick with you regarding personal attributes vs political.

  266. “The plagiarism, yeah they cover that.”
    They do? Where? When?

    Maddow JUST covered it within the past coupla weeks. May have been a tie-in to Melania-gate but I don’t remember the particulars. In fact, it was brought up a couple of times by different TV folks during Melania-gate.

  267. And also….skunks are terrible creatures who suck while you’re out camping and will try to spray you when they raid your camp site and will steal your fish right off the stringer…

  268. Rutherford thinks if MSNBC’s nodding heads mention something it has been covered.

    By definition yes. You wanna nitpick about “covered” vs “mentioned”?

    No I haven seen a fucking one hour documentary on Joe the Scumbag.

    Why don’t you go produce one Muffster? I seem to recall your having some production experience.

  269. “I probably got into a nitpick with you regarding personal attributes vs political.”

    It was weirder than that. However, I recall you generally held him in high regard and absolutely no fucking clue whatsoever about his vile history other than a very vague connection to Tawana Brawley (I don’t think you even knew the name but basic premise, and none of the other awful shit the guy did).

    Boy I remember you sure got into a snit about my take on him — and from a position of total ignorance. It was Poolman-like bizarro. Methinks your take on Biden is borne of the same ignorance and knee jerk reaction to any criticism connected to Obama no matter how remote.

    Sorry I missed Maddow’s excoriation of the lying scumbag. I’m sure it was an objective take down. I’ll be sure to look for it on Youtube.. .

    Just kidding I’d as soon look for Maddow’s puke-inducing propaganda than I would sit through a Sofia Jannok video. 😆

  270. “Director Comey said my answers were truthful, and what I’ve said is consistent with what I have told the American people, that there were decisions discussed and made to classify retroactively certain of the emails.”

    Holy fuck that’s rich.

  271. “Boy I remember you sure got into a snit about my take on him — and from a position of total ignorance.”

    Don’t talk about Obama’s go-to black leader. The Tawana Brawley tragedy happened some 30 years ago and that’s the best you can do in condemning Auntie Al.

  272. I don’t think the Khans are a good bet in the long run but then again the democrats are only betting short anyway.
    Trump is actually quite committed to a number of points and no handlers or screaming from Paul Ryan and Sidney McCain is going to move him.
    The GOP is signed up for an epoch enema my friends.

  273. “And also….skunks are terrible creatures who suck while you’re out camping and will try to spray you when they raid your camp site and will steal your fish right off the stringer…”

    Did that really happen? I’ve never encountered that.

  274. Huck, you think skunks are bad, try raccoons. And they’re not stupid like skunks. I had a three lines of catfish on stringers one afternoon, probably ranging from 1 – 5 lbs., went down to the dock to clean them after eating lunch, and found about 20 cats pulled up on the dock, eaten to the bone with nothing left but fins, tails and heads. The entire clan must have had a buffet at my expense.

    To make matters worse, some of those demons were sitting over across the cove watching me like they were laughing their ass off. I’m surprised they weren’t pointing at me.

    Those little devils caused about $20K in damage to our neighbor’s enclosed dock, even helping themselves to the soda in bottles. 😆 😆 He found one opened bottle up on the couch – never found the remote either. 😈

  275. Oh yeah, DR…it happened. There were at least 4 of them. We evacuated our camp site and came home early after the 3rd attempt to spray us.

  276. “That is funny shit.”

    It really is. It was all just so ridiculous I was laughing my ass off over the whole thing. I’m sure the case of beer helped with that.

    My wife and oldest son didn’t appreciate the humor.

  277. Just kidding I’d as soon look for Maddow’s puke-inducing propaganda than I would sit through a Sofia Jannok video.

    Your humor makes your obnoxiousness much more tolerable. 😊

    We can bicker about the particulars but there is no way in hell I didn’t know about Tawana Brawley.

    My bizarro exchange with you probably stemmed from a perception of your racial intolerance. Since then, of course, you’ve proven yourself to be an honorary brotha. 🙄

  278. NV,CO,UT& maybe NM are the states I think Gary Johnson should absolutely live in from now till November. If it goes right we get the House of Representatives picking the POTUS and the Senate picking VP.
    Wouldn’t that be wild?

  279. That is pretty funny Huck. Skunks are totally fearless. I have had skunk encounters, but no raccoons. Beavers and bears have come up in the camp while we were in our tent.

    One evening a skunk jumped onto mrs poolman’s lap while she was reading at a picnic table in our camp. I was sitting by the campfire. It freaked her out. It wanted to see if she had any snacks. They are bold. After checking her out for probably half a minute or so it wandered off to look around our tent.

    Another time I was camping with some buddies in Havasupai. We were just finishing up dinner when four skunks wandered into camp to scavenge. One of the guys threw a cookie at one maybe 10 feet in front of me and it immediately spun and pointed its business end at me. OH SHIT!!! I thought for sure I was going to get hit! I froze trying my best to look non threatening. Soon it went about foraging. That caused the guys to crack up and the whole thing repeated a few more times until it was finally out of sight.

    Damn, I miss camping…

  280. We have been going through the 2nd weakest recovery in American history, despite unprecedented low interest rates, printing and the glory of cheap oil.

    That being said, its been one of the longest ones.

    Who ever the next president is will have to endure a correction. It’s almost a certainty.

    Seeing as people already fucking hate both of them, I predict who ever wins will be the most unpopular President in modern American history.

    I’m starting to wonder if it wouldn’t be beneficial for my family if Clinton is victorious. She could potentially leave deep scars and ensure the corrupt DNC and the despicable Dems stay hated for half a century.

    Perhaps a Johnson vote out of old Rabbit is a possibility. I already feel Trimp guilt for my shenanigans in the primary. I could wash my hands of all this in November.

  281. NV,CO,UT& maybe NM are the states I think Gary Johnson should absolutely live in from now till November.

    Yeah I’ve heard Utah could really be up for grabs based on their distaste for Trump.

  282. Perhaps a Johnson vote out of old Rabbit is a possibility.

    You’re a complicated guy. Despite the fact you’ve probably been more vicious to me than anyone else here, I still think you’re a man of conscience. I’m not sure you’ll be able to pull the lever for Trump.

    In fact I don’t really think anyone here is voting Trump except James and in his case it’s just a major thumb-nose at the establishment.

  283. Who ever the next president is will have to endure a correction. It’s almost a certainty.

    That confused me. Don’t corrections happen after a boom? Considering how anemic the “recovery” has been, what is there to “correct”?

  284. Rabbit is right. Fossils are ripe for a correction for a number of reasons. Financials will also see something happen. Way too much student ,consumer debt and I read something not to long ago about rental properties in the business sector is up for some bubble burst.

  285. “That confused me. Don’t corrections happen after a boom? Considering how anemic the “recovery” has been, what is there to “correct”?”

    That’s exactly the point, Rutherford. This so-called recovery has been built on bullshit. We wouldn’t even be seeing what we are seeing but for unsustainable policies.

    We told you this was all being kicked down the road. That road has to end somewhere.

  286. I’m too much of a puss and a grouch to camp these days. I like soft beds, air conditioning, and my TV. I’m to the age where traveling either constipates you or leaves you hanging on the can. LOL Camp here in Oklahoma, and if the West Nile Virus doesn’t kill you, the ticks and Zika probably will. Screw that.

    Roughing it for me is staying at a hotel. When I went to see my granddaughter last month in Pittsburgh, my wife got the three of us, youngest daughter included, a hotel room at a Marriott Courtyard – what a piece of junk. My bed was near the air conditioner, relegated because my wife and kid bitched about being “cold,” so they slept in the other queen.

    Apparently this air conditioner was spraying some fine midst, or something. My legs felt wet the entire weekend when I got in the bed. I swear the sheets were sticking to me. My wife told me I was “imaging things” – not a bit of compassionate my wife and daughter mocked me unmercifully. 😡 I felt like the bottom half of me was being waterboarded. That’s about as much as I’ve roughed it in 20 years.

    I honestly hate traveling these days.

    P.S. My neighbor came home from the weekend to find both his central heat and air conditioners missing from the back yard. Some scum bags must have cased the joint, realized nobody was there, and lifted both the units. August in Oklahoma without air conditioning is like being placed in the hot box. And we don’t think this world is swirling the toilet?

  287. You know the old saying “just cos you’re paranoid doesn’t mean the bastards aren’t out to get you”?

    Well Trump gets a variation of that: “just because Trump is often unfairly portrayed as an asshole doesn’t mean he isn’t actually an asshole”. 😀

  288. We wouldn’t even be seeing what we are seeing but for unsustainable policies.

    So you’re saying what little recovery we’ve had will bust because it’s propped up on weak policies? Would low interest rates be an example? No snark here. I’ve always admitted economics not my strong point.

  289. http://www.compliancesigns.com/media/resource-bulletins/CRB-State-Connecticut.pdf

    Sign, sign, everywhere a sign…

    All such spaces shall be designated as reserved for exclusive use by persons who are blind and persons with disabilities and identified by the use of signs in accordance with subsection (h) of this section. Such parking spaces shall be adjacent to curb cuts or other unobstructed methods permitting sidewalk access to a person who is blind or a person with disabilities and shall be fifteen feet wide, including three feet of cross hatch, or be parallel to a sidewalk. The provisions of this subsection shall not apply (1) in the event the State Building Code imposes more stringent requirements as to the size of the private parking area in which special parking spaces are required or as to the number of special parking spaces required, or (2) in the event a municipal ordinance imposes more stringent requirements as to the size of existing private parking areas in which special parking spaces are required or as to the number of special parking spaces required.
    (h) Parking spaces designated for persons who are blind and persons with disabilities on or after October 1, 1979, and prior to October 1, 2004, shall be as near as possible to a building entrance or walkway and shall be fifteen feet wide including three feet of cross hatch, or parallel to a sidewalk on a public highway. On and after October 1, 2004, parking spaces for passenger motor vehicles designated for persons who are blind and persons with disabilities shall be as near as possible to a building entrance or walkway and shall be fifteen feet wide including five feet of cross hatch. On and after October 1, 2004, parking spaces for passenger vans designated for persons who are blind and persons with disabilities shall be as near as possible to a building entrance or walkway and shall be sixteen feet wide including eight feet of cross hatch. Such spaces shall be designated by above grade signs with white lettering against a blue background and shall bear the words “handicapped parking permit required” and “violators will be fined”. Such sign shall also bear the international symbol of access. When such a sign is replaced, repaired or erected it shall indicate the minimum fine for a violation of subsection (f) of this section. Such indicator may be in the form of a notice affixed to such a sign.

    https://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap_248.htm#sec_14-253a

    Check Mate!

    Now before the toons amp up, remember a parking space is merely paint on the tarmac. Capiche? I won’t hold my breath.

  290. When were the handicapped spaces designated? The school was built in the 1950s. Prior to 2004? If not, what are you yammering about?

  291. I meant, “if so.” If designated prior to October 2004 where’s the sign requirement? These are regs. The ADA limitations were already discussed. Is this a “color” of the nonexistent sgn thing or what?

  292. Proximity. They are giving grace for the location of the spaces in regard to how close to the entrance.

    EVERY space NEEDS an above grade SIGN. EVERY SPACE

    Since 2004. Now go ahead and bleed ink.

  293. No ink bleeding required: “such space” not “every space.”

    “Such space” is post 2004. In fact, the following clause includes addendums to subsequently changed/replaced signs for the amount of the fine.

  294. A lot of us will do whatever we can to prevent Hillary’s coronation. The country won’t survive that, not after Obama.

  295. Maybe I haven’t kept up with the story but could someone tell me what this terrible series of insults to the Khan family has been?

    1) Trump questioned the wife’s silence. Not polite but completely in keeping with our suspicion that Muslim women are silenced by their male partners.

    2) He foolishly said his running a company was a sacrifice.

    Did I miss something? Why am I seeing headlines “Trump attacks Gold Star parents”, “Trump repeatedly insults Khans”, etc.

    Is it a matter of if they repeat it enough it becomes the truth?

  296. What a Khan. I was waiting for the real scoop. It is the DNC after all. Khan just happens to be a lawyer that engages in procurement of EB5 immigration visas and other “Related Immigration Services.”

    On a side note, I’m not saying the guy wants to strap a suicide vest on, but I’d go ahead and say he has alot of gall to lecture anyone on the importance of the Constitution:

    All law documents should be below sharia according to khizr khan https://imgur.com/a/jPBVi

  297. “ET, why are you doing this to yourself, and more importantly, the rest of us. Enjoy your masochistic tendencies elsewhere and spare us the ass pain…”

    Okay, okay.

    Much like the gun debates you’ve had with Rutherford that just spin in circles, It’s just so fucking stooopid I can barely help myself.

    But I get it. ‘Cause it’s got electrolytes.

  298. “won’t survive that” – “that” refers to a Clinton presidency.
    “whatever we can” – refers to voting accordingly

  299. “Is it a matter of if they repeat it enough it becomes the truth?”

    That’s always the approach. Look at the nonsense about Trump’s “inviting the Russians to hack our computers.” He said no such thing but I can find most every dumbshit liberal in the vicinity to repeat it.

  300. If Democrats turn out enough votes to get Hillary elected, it is reasonable to conclude that we will probably lose Congress along with it. Under a Hillary Presidency with control of Congress we will see a progressive SCOTUS appointed. With the trend of judicial activism growing we will see a direct assault on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 10th amendments to the Constitution. They will legalize or speed up the process for illegals to vote. Hillary said she will bring in 1 million Syrians and make it easier for people from poorer countries (85% of who stay on the government dime beyond 5 years) to immigrate here. We will not see Republicans win a national election again for generations.

    I will, reluctantly, be casting a vote for Trump because the alternative is unthinkable. The remainder of my time will be assisting in anyway I can to see that a 3rd party platform has a legitimate run next election cycle should Trump turn out as bad as people think he will be. With more than half the nation voting for non politicians, the time is ripe for a viable 3rd party to emerge.

  301. Much like the gun debates you’ve had with Rutherford that just spin in circles, It’s just so fucking stooopid I can barely help myself.” – ET

    Except that I won and he’s changed his position about guns. You ain’t winning this…

  302. “Except that I won and he’s changed his position about guns. You ain’t winning this…”

    Perhaps. But that doesn’t account for. . . well. . . basically everything else.

    And you missed out on the Kuntzman dumbfuck “I’m so frightened of load bangs” article that Rutherford defended. Suffice it to say, you’ve obtained a shallow victory G, very shallow.

  303. To be clear, my defense of Wimpy McGunface was in direct opposition to Tigre’s macho swagger.

    From my travels around the web I’ve seen that Wimpy even embarrassed liberals.

  304. “won’t survive that” – “that” refers to a Clinton presidency.

    Yes, I gathered that and was wondering what not surviving entails. Riots, a coup? I’m kinda thinking, Muffy, that the country will limp along under Hillary as it has done the past 20 years. It will “survive”.

  305. Noah, Trump may lose you the Senate. I doubt he will lose you the House.

    I am of the opinion that if Trump does not up his game between now and November, AND HE STILL WINS, he will be removed from office by whatever means necessary.

  306. Interesting and credible theory floated on MoJo this morning:

    Trump WANTS to lose but only by a bit so he can claim rigged election screwed him and then move his brand into talk radio or some other venue.

    I do not believe Trump really wants to be POTUS.

  307. Look at the nonsense about Trump’s “inviting the Russians to hack our computers.” He said no such thing but I can find most every dumbshit liberal in the vicinity to repeat it.

    Damn right. He was hoping Putin would find the 30,000 emails among those already hacked. And yes, the lie gets repeated over and over including on Hardball just tonight. And Michael Steele sits there and smiles instead of refuting it.

  308. Right on cue, the ever present ignorance of Lurker springs into action.

    Do you know what Hollande’s approval rating is in his own country, cupcake? Less than 10%. Obviously, the French are smarter and more truthful than the idiot Americans like you still in wuv with a grossly incompetent failure named Dear Leader Obama, unlike parasites like you willing to admit their bad judgement.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/05/nearly-90-percent-of-the-french-now-disapprove-of-their-president/

  309. “And you said it would never happen. Not quite a war…..yet.”

    Lurker, do you think France is going to bomb us? Because if you’re going to hold us to what we said would never happen (and still hasn’t), then we’re going to hold you to what you said would.

    Obama has insulted Netanyahu to the point that Bibi cannot stand to be in the same room with the man. When that happened were you afraid Israel was going to bomb us? Do you think Israeli hackers are going to take down our power grid? Are they going to fly some jets into our buildings?

    You know, I went to your link and skimmed over it. It’s based on bullshit. There is a tweet there that says “Donald Trump’s ‘Muslim ban’ now includes anyone from France”. But when you go to the Vox link that accompanies that quote, where is the only one mention of France.

    “Trump said he would specifically target countries “compromised by terrorism.” Though he didn’t explain the system that his administration would use to classify which countries would be subject to such a ban, he hinted that nations like France and Germany might fit the bill.”

    Did you catch that? He “hinted”.that France “might” fit the bill. And that is the only time the word “France” appears in the entire article.

    It’s a damn shame that your vote is worth just as much as mine is. Because this 6-year-old nonsense you come up with here is pathetic.

  310. “With more than half the nation voting for non politicians, the time is ripe for a viable 3rd party to emerge.”

    The more I think about this–and, oh, have I thought about it–I am starting to think it’s just wishful thinking.

    We have 2 major parties that are diametrically different (policy wise). I don’t see a 3rd party splitting both of them, so it would only siphon votes from 1, leaving the other much stronger, or at least not weaker.

    And it’s never going to happen in Congress, which I think is where it really needs to, as long as gerrymandering is a permitted practice.

    The Greens and the Libertarians are blowing their chance to appeal to people this cycle because they have idiots as their nominees. Jill Stein is going full anti-vaxxer and other wacky non-science nonsense and Gary Johnson is proving time and again that he is Libertarian in name only. Neither one of them is worth a shit, or a vote.

    And I reach that conclusion sadly.

  311. “Ah well I’ll probably be dead in 20 years so no prob there.”

    Well that’s what’s important. Not what kind of life our children and their children will have.

    “I am of the opinion that if Trump does not up his game between now and November, AND HE STILL WINS, he will be removed from office by whatever means necessary.”

    Interesting. Riots? A coup?

    BLM is just grass roots I suppose…

    My mind wanders.

    I hope so Rutherford. I hope the left blows the lid off this powderkeg.

  312. Huck, it’s OK when Obama insults world leaders because he’s smart and stuff, or so we’ve been told.

    I wish you luck in holding JAL accountable, but alas ze’s a liberal, and that’s just not their style…

    JAL, there’s still something on your chin….

  313. Gary Johnson is proving time and again that he is Libertarian in name only.

    Hey Huck I heard someone say yesterday that if the ticket were flipped with Weld in the front seat, it would be acceptable. What do you think?

  314. “ET, R would say I’m a shallow man, so I’ll take my shallow victory and raise a glass in the name of progress.”

    You may have the only victory here ever. That is no small feat, my man.

    And it’s a twofer. I will go back to ignoring Poolman’s stinky bait.

  315. Well that’s what’s important. Not what kind of life our children and their children will have.

    Well I saw that coming and well deserved I must admit. I was being flippant.

  316. “To be clear, my defense of Wimpy McGunface was in direct opposition to Tigre’s macho swagger.”

    Gimme a break.

    Give us all a break.

    Mr. Fee Fees didn’t like someone critical of another member of the agenda-led liberal pussy club, until he was given permission by others in the clan.

  317. Mr. Fee Fees didn’t like someone critical of another member of the agenda-led liberal pussy club, until he was given permission by others in the clan.

    I’m impressed. Witty and carefully written without typos. 😊

  318. In defense of Lurker whose point is being taken too literally, her post shows that the French president is VERY worried about Trump. I think it is fair to say many of our allies are worried. The fact that Hollande is not popular is irrelevant (Tex). We don’t do bizness with the French people. We do biz with the French government and their opinion should matter to some extent.

    I’m not saying that other countries get to decide who leads ours but it is worth noting that Trump MAY cause global instability.

  319. Lurker’s being impressed by Holland’s dire warning is one more example of her flawed thinking patterns.

    I wrote an article about teenagers’ infatuation with One Direction and the videos they made. I kept in touch with a few for awhile. They didn’t like Holland and two planned to leave France for the United States.

    Obama paid cash ransom for the captured American hostages, and there is no big uproar. Iranians call it a ransom, and I believe them over Obama.

  320. I’m also worried about Trump. I am more worried about Hillary. She and Holland are ideological soul mates. Of course he would worry about Trump.

  321. “We have 2 major parties that are diametrically different (policy wise). I don’t see a 3rd party splitting both of them, so it would only siphon votes from 1, leaving the other much stronger, or at least not weaker.”

    Progressives have taken over the Democrat party and have moved them into the realm of Socialism. Republicans have moved left as well leaving Conservatives behind and offering up candidates like Romney and Trump.

    Blue Dog Democrats and Conservatives both feel abandoned and without a party to represent them. Libertarians were never and will never be a viable party. They are too fractured, too Asperger, and of too many minds as to what it means to be a Libertarian. Johnson is proof of that as he is a hard core Liberal with a streak of Libertarianism.

    What needs to emerge over the next 4 years is a TEA Party like Constitution party. Most Conservative Democrats and Conservative Republicans have more than enough things they agree on to come together to form a viable ‘return to common sense’ party. The TEA Party proved that a grass roots movement can bring people of many different stripes together. This is very doable with the right leadership and the right platform focused around the original intentions of our founding documents. Put the areas where Democrats and Republicans in the ‘States Rights’ category and not a necessary concern for the national party platform itself and I think it would take off.

  322. Don’t find much bi about JALs link up. France has a lot of nerve. It is painfully aware of its own history especially Algeria and the decades of angst that caused. I think people should be careful how much they swallow in support of partisan bullshit.

  323. “her post shows that the French president is VERY worried about Trump.”

    Whereas all the world leaders were getting tingles over Obama, and look how well that turned out.

    World leader opinion aint worth shit.

  324. “We don’t do bizness with the French people. We do biz with the French government and their opinion should matter to some extent.”

    Remember when Obama bypassed the Israeli government and started talking directly to the Israeli people?

    I do.

  325. “Hey Huck I heard someone say yesterday that if the ticket were flipped with Weld in the front seat, it would be acceptable. What do you think?”

    I don’t know anything about Weld. I stopped caring about the LP when they went back to the same old same ol’

  326. Trump will cause global instability. That’s his whole point.

    The world is fucked up and you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

  327. ” until he was given permission by others in the clan.”

    Yup. There is certainly a pattern. Rutherford is a follower…. After all my years coming here, that is a fact.

  328. The fact that Hollande is not popular is irrelevant (Tex).

    😐 Well then, if the fact Hollande is not popular is irrelevant, than so is his opinion. Who gives a chit about what some failed leader of some failed country thinks?

  329. If Trump really wants to troll Khan (not that I’m saying he should), he should put up a picture of his soldier son and say “I’m not trying to keep out people like your son, I’m trying to keep out the people who killed him.”

    It will send the old man into a frenzy, but it would also put forth a position he would have a tough time arguing against. He would be left with the “how dare you use my son for…”, which is easily enough countered with “you mean like you did?”

  330. Rutherford is a follower

    Sorry dude, not a leader in this place unless you count Noah administering a Facebook group as leadership. We are ALL being led by the nose – it’s just that the folks leading me are different from the folks leading you.

  331. Lurker, I hope you continue, but one thing bothers me. Are you trolling to stir up controversy, or do you actually believe the biased drivel you send?

  332. I am a state level leader for the Constitutional convention movement.

    I’m curious what that means. For the sake of adding amendments and if so, which ones, marriage definition, anti-abortion?

  333. Lets try this again. It is interesting what your initial thought was that a organization like this would be about. Your progressive roots are showing. We are not like progressives in that we are not looking to force a specific agenda down the throats of the people with the pretense it is for their own good. This is about holding government accountable and taking back the power the belongs to the States and the people.

    http :// www conventionofstates com

  334. As you can see, I posted your link with no problem. I don’t know why you couldn’t.

    I need to examine the web site as it makes no intuitive sense to me. The constitution is “fixed” via amendment. This looks like a rewrite. I need to start with Article V and go from there.

  335. On Fox News Sunday, Hillary came as close to calling Pat Smith a liar as she could without actually saying it.

    Crickets … but Trump has “attacked” a Gold Star family. I don’t know wtf is going on. The media will either destroy him or make his supporters so angry that he becomes invincible.

  336. This blog is not a Mensa Society meeting guys. You really need to lighten up.

    Comic gold, coming from one of the dumbest trolls I’ve ever read…

    I’ll bet Rutherford was truly smitten when Chavez on the U.N. floor announced smelled sulfur after Bush spoke.

    Out of curiosity, I wonder who is smelling sulfur now that Venezuela is experiencing food rationing and force labor camps? 😛 Kind of like Obama has experienced for seven plus years now – I’ve found boastful idiots invariably experience what goes around, comes around.

  337. Muslim troops accounted for 0.2 percent of all U.S. troop deaths in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Southerners accounted for 38 percent of those killed in Iraq and 47 percent in Afghanistan.

    I get the feeling Ann wants us to believe those two groups mutually exclusive. Maybe one of those Southerners was Muslim?

    Ann is focused on the wrong thing and she’s not doing Trump any favors. She correctly notes through her snark that the Khan wife fulfilled our stereotype of Muslim women and Trump seized on that. She should have simply noted that Trump just said what a lot of folks were thinking.

    Instead she goes on a rant about the good old days when America had almost no Muslims. Puke.

    Plus the absolute hypocrisy. Let a lib shit on the troops and the right pops a vein.

    Ann is a little girl who got Daddy’s attention by being rude. She’s funny as hell but all too often she’s an ass.

    By the way, the more I see Khazr Khan, the LESS I like him so you can save your accusations of my blind love of Muslims.

  338. I think ann more a comic than serious. I still remember her trying to convince oreilly radiation was good for you. He wasn’t much buying her line.

  339. The goal is to get at least 34 states to submit an application to Congress for an amending convention in accordance with Article V of our Constitution.

    The COS application requests Congress to call a convention so that the states may discuss amendments that would: limit the power and jurisdiction of the federal govt, impose fiscal restraints on the federal govt, and impose term limits on federal officials and members of Congress.

    The COS application defines what may be discussed. But the COS organization is not advocating for any specific amendment.

    Our goal is simply to get the convention called. When that happens, mission accomplished.

  340. I have not kept up with Margaret and Helen or any of the old timers there, Tex. I lost interest and besides, I was about as popular there as I am here. 🙂 Most people would rather not consider what I feel compelled to point out. And then there’s the toon squad…

  341. “Let a lib shit on the troops and the right pops a vein.”

    Who is shitting on a troop?

    Attacking his parents, who willingly entered the political fray and went on the attack, is not the same as attacking the dead soldier.

  342. Alfie I just finished the Libertarian town hall and I don’t get your gripe.

    In fact, after hearing (I think from Huck) that Stein is anti-vaccine (I’ll have to go fact-check that) I may switch my vote to Johnson/Weld.

    Here’s the whopper that Anderson Cooper let slide by. Johnson is really suggesting a co-presidency. He said that he and Bill would merge staffs and the voters would get two heads for the price of one. Interesting!

  343. Huck, Coulter doesn’t understand the knife cuts both ways. If Pat Smith can say HRC did not respect her son (in fact, killed him) then Khan can say Trump does not respect his son. You can’t have it both ways. I’m not saying the Smith and Khan examples are exact parallels but I gather from Ann’s comments (and the attitude of the right in general) that Smith’s sacrifice is viewed more soberly than Khan’s.

    As a side note, many pundits have commented that they watched the Dem convention and thought they had tuned into the GOP one. Lots of USA, God, cops and soldiers. 😊

  344. “I get the feeling Ann wants us to believe those two groups mutually exclusive. Maybe one of those Southerners was Muslim?”

    Are you kidding?

    Every single thing you’ve said about the Coulter bit is a total wiff. I’m guessing you didn’t read it. You couldn’t have and said what you said.

  345. Khan attacked Trump. Smith and others attacked Hillary. Trump counter attacked and created an issue which is hurting his campaign. Hillary said Smith etc were lying or misunderstood what she said. She became quiet, and people forgot.

    Trump could learn a few things from Hillary, especially since he knows most of the press is little more than a Democratic public relations organ.

    Someone else with more experience would have understood the opposition will attempt to publicaly trap its political enemies.

    Hillary’s record is much worse. She supported the Slow Bleed designed to kill more of our soldiers and Iraqis to win an election. Kerry bugged out of Vietnam and defamed his fellow veterans.

    He also presided over our sending ransom money to Iran. Some of that money will be used
    Americans and many other people.

  346. Rutherford
    Johnson looked weak and timid and out matched by Weld.
    He contradicted prior statements and LP plank regards religious liberty. He looked like one of those fucking cymbal chimps when he clapped. WTF was he clapping for he was the featured guest and this wasn’t a game show.
    He sloppily addressed marijuana issue.
    Lastly the setting made for a joke,not very professional at all and the cheesy breaking news was a negative too.

  347. I half-listened to MSNBC for two hours this morning. I’m fairly certain they talked about Trump the entire time. Mika did one brief paragraph recounting the various identities for which the Democrat party feels the big love.

    They seem really upset. 🙂

  348. I’m far more apprehensive about what damage to the nation an out of control Obama will do in the next 6 months alone than what Trump might do if by some strange twist he managed to get elected.

    Both of them (Obama and Trump) seem to me eerily similar to a serial killer wanting to get caught and taunting the police and the newspapers.

    I expect the GOP “intervention” has a lot to do with reducing incidents of friendly fire – fair play turnaround or not.

  349. Rutherford is dumb enough to make the analogy of Hillary is to Benghazi as Trump is to Iraq, so it should come as no surprise RL doesn’t understand Ann Coulter’s commentary either.

  350. “I’m not even sure what Rutherford thinks he’s saying.”

    Clearly.

    The “I’m not saying the Smith and Khan examples are exact parallels but I gather from Ann’s comments (and the attitude of the right in general) that Smith’s sacrifice is viewed more soberly than Khan’s” is a real gem.

    But the Harvard math major’s “.2% of Muslim troops” analysis is one of the funniest things I’ve read on the internet. Ever. The thoughtless attempt to make this statistical extrapolation represents hilarity in its purest form.

    Bravo, Rutherford.

  351. Every single thing you’ve said about the Coulter bit is a total wiff. I’m guessing you didn’t read it. You couldn’t have and said what you said.

    Guess you haven’t had your morning coffee yet. How could I quote from it if I hadn’t read it? You want more quotes to support my statements?

    As usual you attack me. I have zero evidence YOU read it. If you did, defend it.

  352. Someone else with more experience would have understood the opposition will attempt to publicaly trap its political enemies.

    James, it’s worse than that. Trump believes there is no such thing as bad publicity. He WANTS the press to attack him.

  353. But the Harvard math major’s “.2% of Muslim troops” analysis is one of the funniest things I’ve read on the internet.

    Now I’m thinking you read neither Ann’s piece nor what I wrote about it. I did no mathematical analysis. WTF are you talking about?

  354. Trump is right about publicity. The media wants controversy and he is willing to provide it to them. He is where he is BECAUSE of the press. He is a good friend to jeffrey epstein the convicted pedophile who had 14 (FOURTEEN) contact numbers for trump in his little black book. He is named along with epstein in a lawsuit filed in new york accused of sexually abusing a 13 (THIRTEEN) year old girl in 1994.

    We have reached a point in america where it doesn’t matter what you’ve done to get there, once you’re known, you’re iconic and marketable. We have become quite skilled at applying lipstick to pigs.

  355. Rutherford, do you even have any comprehension skills.

    Coulter pointed out that Khan’s points at the DNC were total bull shit.

    And then disected the “rally around the victim” irrationality of the left.

  356. “In fact, after hearing (I think from Huck) that Stein is anti-vaccine (I’ll have to go fact-check that) I may switch my vote to Johnson/Weld.”

    Johnson is an anti-vaxxer, too. Well, he’s a no-mandatory vaxxer. Libertarians don’t much like mandates.

  357. For the three idiots Tigre Rabbit and Muffy:

    Khan’s argument, delivered angrily and in a thick Pakistani accent at the DNC, is that “our” Constitution requires us to continue the nonstop importation of Muslims.

    If the U.S. Constitution required us to admit more than 100,000 Muslims a year — as we do — we’d already be living in Pakistan, and Khan wouldn’t have had to move to get that nice feeling of home. So the “argument” part of Khan’s point is gibberish.

    No Ann is full of gibberish. First Khan never stated at the DNC that any sort of unlimited immigration be our policy.

    Second, any fucking idiot knows the Constitution does not green-light unlimited immigration. Khan waved the constitution around because the document forbids the elevation of one religion over another. It forbids religious persecution. An immigration policy that totally pivots on a religious test IS FUCKING UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

    Why do you think Trump walked it back? Why do you think he switched from religion to region for his criteria? Cos someone told the dumbass he can’t implement his original idea.

    And who the fuck cares that he spoke in a “thick Pakistani accent”? And yes Ann, Khan gets to say “our” constitution. He’s a goddam citizen. You dumb bitch!

    I suspect Khan is an asshole and I question his ties to the Clinton Foundation but his waving the constitution around made perfect sense. Unless you’re looking to be controversial for the sake of being controversial which is the MO of Ann Coulter 24/7.

    Tex has mellowed in the past year. But when he was the most vile and offensive, who were his biggest fans? The Ann Coulter cult of Rabbit, Tigre and Muffy. So no surprise you three stooges love Coulter.

    Now go shove your “reading comprehension” comments up your ass.

  358. Ann does a fantastic fantasy bit on making Khan’s speech say what she believes him to have said but not what he actually said. Including the mandatory degrading remarks of people who can speak two languages and their customs. And failing to recognize those with no public speaking experience might not feel comfortable speaking in front of so many people. Petty.

    Must she show that many, many more “red blooded all Americans” died for this country than people from foreign countries! And Khan is not the only one who has lost a child. But seems only those “real Americans” have the right to claim victim status. Petty.

    Khan’s remark was to Trump’s five deferments for thinking he should not waste his time serving this country. My step brother attended NYMA and he was a Marine in VN.

    However, I know Ann gets paid good money to spew this nonsense. Please show me where Ann can justify her version of Khan’s speech. Her point?

    Below is the full text of the speech of Khizr Khan, father of a U.S. army captain killed in Iraq in 2004, to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, July 28, 2016

    “First, our thoughts and prayers are with our veterans and those who serve today. Tonight, we are honored to stand here as the parents of Capt. Humayun Khan, and as patriotic American Muslims with undivided loyalty to our country.

    Like many immigrants, we came to this country empty-handed. We believed in American democracy — that with hard work and the goodness of this country, we could share in and contribute to its blessings.

    We were blessed to raise our three sons in a nation where they were free to be themselves and follow their dreams. Our son, Humayun, had dreams of being a military lawyer. But he put those dreams aside the day he sacrificed his life to save his fellow soldiers.

    Hillary Clinton was right when she called my son “the best of America.” If it was up to Donald Trump, he never would have been in America. Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities — women, judges, even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls and ban us from this country.

    Donald Trump, you are asking Americans to trust you with our future. Let me ask you: Have you even read the U.S. Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words “liberty” and “equal protection of law.”

    Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of the brave patriots who died defending America — you will see all faiths, genders, and ethnicities.

    You have sacrificed nothing and no one.

    We can’t solve our problems by building walls and sowing division. We are stronger together. And we will keep getting stronger when Hillary Clinton becomes our next president.”

  359. Lurker I agree with you except on one point. I don’t have any reason to believe Khan knew about Donald’s deferments. I think his “you sacrificed nothing” was more a shot in the dark based on assumptions.

    If Ann’s point was that sacrifice is not a prerequisite to having an opinion on immigration policy, I might accept that. But in Ann’s eagerness to offend, she was all over the map.

  360. The Khan-troversy is all too much bullshit for me.
    Seriously although Coulter makes a couple of good points she’s all over the board. Where she starts to make an inroad she bursts out into another red meat direction. Perhaps it has something to do with print schedules or something but all in all not strong work.
    The Khans and every other Gold Star “winner” has never been on a Democrats mind until it was to their advantage to squeeze something out of one. Whether they are willing pawns or just being played is up for consideration. They brought it onto themselves and that includes not being able to hide behind their dead son when others take an opposing view to their statements.
    As for their statements much like the official DNC talking points obviously given out to the Khans as well as the MSM Trumps actual proposal is not unprecedented or really cutting edge stuff.
    Well within the rules of the US Constitution we have previously quota system folks from any given country and have heavily regulated or outright prevented immigration from them. A great parallel would be the anti-AIDS immigration blocks as well as the heightened scrutiny put in place by the Obama Administration over Ebola nations. This isn’t about minarets in America this is about areas of conflict which are proven to export the danger burning them to the ground. That a Muslim from Syria is in fact more likely to be a danger to the US community he /she lands in as opposed to a Syrian Christian isn’t fucking rocket science. That US immigration policy is not serving the best interests of the nation is also pretty clear to an honest observer. The US Mexican border is also not without precedent of pretty heavy actions ala Gen. Swing and President Eisenhower. Obviously better quotas,streamlined processes and enforcement aimed at the victimizers and sources is better than a physical wall. Any and all however are actually totally within the bounds of the US Constitution and the Oath of Office of the Presidency.

    The Khans have poorly initiated a discussion that America does need to have. I personally don’t hold Gold Stars in any high regard except for perhaps kids and spouses. Parents not so much. I personally think we need to focus our energies on the service personnel and that we’ve proven even that is too much for most Americans to stay with. We have an all volunteer military folks that as a rule the Democrats have done more than their share to shit on. Piety now just doesn’t fly.

    2004 was an intense time so maybe Captain Khan shouldn’t have established a routine of inspecting troops at the gates of the base. Perhaps given it was 2004 instead of waving his arm and telling his people to get down he should’ve ordered them to open fire,fire for effect! Second guessing him doesn’t bring him back but screwing guys who later did indeed open fire on speeding vehicles and establishing ridiculous ROE’s that curried favor with the “hosts” sure as fuck assured Captain Khan was not alone at Arlington.

    The conversation we need to have isn’t going to be found in th press or heard from Hillary’s skank mouth. That others let Trump send up trial balloons and cowardly await the results isn’t helping either.

  361. And so the JAL diatribe against the DNC’s and Clinton’s assault against the Benghazi parents begins in 3….2….1……

    No?

    Did Trump have ANYTHING to do with Khan’s son’s death?

    Did Clinton have anything to do with Benghazi?

    Logic hurts…….and you still have something on your chin…

  362. Israel seemed to have solved a lot of problems by building a wall. All thinking people agree that building a wall where we can decreases the areas we have to patrol and creates choke points where we can more easily capture and prevent people from entering in illegally. The only people who are against this are the people who rely heavily on the illegal immigrant labor and vote.

  363. Did Trump have ANYTHING to do with Khan’s son’s death?

    Did Clinton have anything to do with Benghazi?

    No and No.

    Please put that 1.5 inch pecker back where it belongs. Thank You!

  364. We can’t solve our problems by building walls and sowing division. We are stronger together. And we will keep getting stronger when Hillary Clinton becomes our next president.”

    What a truck load of shit….here’s one thing I can guarantee you, twit. With Hillary Clinton as President, if it possible, your miserable, useless existence will get even more miserable and useless. I wouldn’t work with you if it meant somebody putting my neck in the guillotine for not doing so. Blow you’re diversity out your Ginormous Booty, dimwit. You’re a fucking pox on the country. Unfortunately, there’s 100M people out there equally as stupid, corrupt and dishonest.

    “The next time some academics tell you how important diversity is, ask how many Republicans there are in their sociology department.” – Thomas Sowell

  365. alfie – this is not a smart-assed question. Are there any “innocent victims”? Why is the victim at fault/responsible for his death?

    A soldier deserves to die because he should have known the enemy is in the area or he has faulty intel, or he makes a decision under stress.

    A grieving parent doesn’t care how their child was lost….he is gone. Do you know any one who has lost a child regardless of age no matter the cause?

    It seems there is always finding fault of the victim (rape, spousal abuse, deaths cause by cops) on the right. Why? Where does this view come from?

  366. Alfie, you’re right about Coulter’s piece being all over the place and you’re wrong about Donald’s original statement. He didn’t talk about regional quotas. He didn’t mention regions at all. He applied an unconstitutional religious test that can’t be defended no matter how much Muslims seem to have a lock on extremist terrorism.

  367. “I wouldn’t work with you if it meant somebody putting my neck in the guillotine for not doing so.”

    Can I help pull the lever?

  368. Rutherford, your “religious tolerance” baloney also deserves to be mocked. Your idea of religious tolerance is to form state run theocracy in prevention of some imagined theocracy.

  369. “It seems there is always finding fault of the victim (rape, spousal abuse, deaths cause by cops) on the right. Why? Where does this view come from?”

    I’d enjoy seeing a variety of examples of those first 2. And one or two examples won’t due, seeing as the word “always” was used.

  370. Did Trump have ANYTHING to do with Khan’s son’s death?
    Did Clinton have anything to do with Benghazi?
    Logic hurts…….and you still have something on your chin…

    Logic only hurts if you apply it a certain way. No doubt, the Pat Smith gripe is very different from the Khan gripe. But that doesn’t mean Khan’s gripe has no merit. He is saying Trump’s blanket condemnation of Muslims insults patriotic Muslims like his son. It ain’t rocket science.

    I let the “chin” comment go twice. Now that you’ve gone there a third time, I need to ask you if you have a “thing” for JAL. This is the second time in recent years that you’ve shared your pornographic impressions of her. 😳

  371. “We can’t solve our problems by building walls and sowing division. We are stronger together. And we will keep getting stronger when Hillary Clinton becomes our next president.””

    Hillary has already gone on record as saying Republicans are her enemies, and she made no effort to distinguish Republican politicians from Republican voters.

    Can you explain how this is bringing us together and not sowing division?

  372. I did find Alfie’s suggestion that Khan may have negligently contributed to his own demise a bit off putting.

    As for who gets to mourn, no parent plans to outlive their child. “Gold star parents” have as much to mourn as the wife and kids.

    With that said I’m not sure I’d extrapolate Alfie to all those on the right. Besides, the right only blames the victim when the victim is a leftie. 😀😀

  373. Rutherford, the US Constitution does not apply to people not on American soil. This is the foundation for the idea of the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center. Those prisoners are not given the right of due process because they never set foot inside the US.

    So that same logic says it is not unconstitutional to deny someone entry into the country based on their religion. It might be contrary to American values, but it is not contrary to what is written in the book Khan held up.

    If Khan wanted his argument to rest on patriotism and American values, he should have kept the Constitution in his pocket.

  374. Did Trump have ANYTHING to do with Khan’s son’s death?

    Did Clinton have anything to do with Benghazi?

    No and No.

    There is no working with or fixing a person who thinks this passes for logic or that there is some valid comparison. I’m not sure what you think the job of the SoT is but it would appear somewhere along the way you got the wrong impression.

  375. We have $48 billion in outstanding claims rule by the courts for the families who suffered the loss of loved ones because of the actions of Iran, and Obama gives them $400 million dollars rather than see that money get paid to US citizens that are owed.

  376. Can you explain how this is bringing us together and not sowing division?

    I gather this was directed at Lurker but I’ll just say Coulter did not debate the merits of Khan supporting Hillary. That’s a whole different debate on which Khan would be on very shaky ground.

  377. If Khan wanted his argument to rest on patriotism and American values, he should have kept the Constitution in his pocket.

    I disagree. To expressly limit the immigration of a particular religion is tantamount to the establishment of other religions which is prohibited by the Constitution.

  378. “Now I’m thinking you read neither Ann’s piece nor what I wrote about it. I did no mathematical analysis. WTF are you talking about?”

    Because if ALL of that .2% were from the South it doesn’t change her point, you big dummy.

    This follows the statement, which you clearly couldn’t have read because you are familiar with the Confederate Flag issue and by all accounts are an aerobic organism — though that is no longer a given:

    “What has South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley “sacrificed” compared to the families of these men? How about Nikki put their flag back up?

    The Confederate flag won’t lead to thousands of dead and maimed Americans, as Muslim immigration does. The only danger posed by the Confederate flag is that media elites will hold the South in even greater contempt than they already do, assuming that’s possible.”

    You may not like the point, but at least understand it.

    So let’s look at your profound and thoughtful retort:

    “I get the feeling Ann wants us to believe those two groups mutually exclusive. Maybe one of those Southerners was Muslim?”

    Huh? I get the feeling you can’t read. What motherfucking difference does it make to her comparison of the leftist bigoted reaction?

    Sometimes I want to slap the stupid out of you.

    This is one of those times.

  379. From Khan:

    “Donald Trump, you are asking Americans to trust you with our future. Let me ask you: Have you even read the US Constitution?”

    He then reached into his jacket pocket and pulled out a copy of the document.

    “I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words liberty and equal protection of law.”

    So, Rutherford, please tell us about the Constitution and “liberty” and “equal protection of law” as it applies to Trump.

    While you’re at it, how does the First Amendment apply to non citizens? Not what Trump said is right and in keeping with our values, but Khan was claiming a superior knowledge of the constitution. I trust you can explain why he was right and how his son, who was a citizen, was denied any constitutional rights or would be denied any constitutional rights if Trump’s policy were enacted.

  380. LOL Tigre and Rabbit: dumb and dumber.

    Tigre read my answers already in the thread. If you still need answers after that maybe Rabbit can help you with your reading comprehension.

  381. Liberty?

    Equal protection?

    Where did you address those?

    First Amendment? Which religion is being established through restrictive immigration?

  382. Which religion is being established through restrictive immigration?

    Every religion except Islam is being established when the immigration is restricted by religion alone.

    Riddle me this Batman. Why did Donald switch from religion to region? Any chance his handlers told him he could not do the former?

  383. Can’t seem to find that answer to me or Huck on the non citizen thing or how Khan’s son was denied any rights.

  384. I don;t speak for Trump.

    But I’m still busy looking for your answers, not answering new questions and imponderables.

  385. The .2% is an issue of your own making. It is clear that Ann was contrasting Muslims with Southerners with the implication that the intersection was the null set.

    But you’re right about one thing. Her comment about Nikki Haley made no damn sense to me. Perhaps you can translate Coulterese?

  386. Khan’s son was denied any rights.

    No one including Khan ever said his son was denied rights, you boob. It was a hypothetical that Trump would deny Captain Khan his rights.

  387. Please expand.

    I’ll start binary and work my way up.

    1) Country only has two religions: Christianity and Islam. We say no Muslims may immigrate. By elimination we are establishing the Christian religion.

    2) Now follow me: country has 3 religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. We say no Muslim immigration. Now we are establishing Christianity and Judaism.

    3) Now add Buddhism to the mix.

    Are you following? By discriminating against one religion you show favor (establish) the remaining ones.

  388. “The .2% is an issue of your own making. It is clear that Ann was contrasting Muslims with Southerners with the implication that the intersection was the null set.”

    No she didn’t. Not at all.

    But there you go with your mathematical analysis that you claim you didn’t make.

    “But you’re right about one thing. Her comment about Nikki Haley made no damn sense to me. Perhaps you can translate Coulterese?”

    Here, she was contrasting the left’s response and bigotry towards southerners in general, which includes those that fight and die in wars to a huge degree, to its reaction towards the 1 muslims that apparently occupy a special place and apparently greater dignity because it serves their political agenda. Remember when you were on the big disparage and correct the South bandwagon after the Charleston shooting?

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/10/politics/nikki-haley-confederate-flag-removal/

  389. “Are you following? By discriminating against one religion you show favor (establish) the remaining ones.”

    I can’t to jump into this. Maybe tomorrow. Forcing christian pizza shop owners and bakers to violate their religious tenets will likely be a focus.

  390. Forcing christian pizza shop owners and bakers to violate their religious tenets will likely be a focus.

    Glad you went there. “Discriminate” against a Christian and the right goes batshit crazy. With a Muslim, maybe not so much.

  391. she was contrasting the left’s response and bigotry towards southerners in general, which includes those that fight and die in wars to a huge degree, to its reaction towards the 1 muslims

    First, she did a damn poor job of it and it’s a stretch in any case. Yeah, Southerners were disparaged for clinging to a disgusting past which has nothing to do with their military service. Apples and oranges.

  392. No one, including Trump, is discriminating against any one religion. We are setting aside our PC hats and accurately identifying the threat. Not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists are Muslims, 91% to be precise. Considering they are the 21st century kamikaze, we are smart to profile here and go after that one religion. Not because we are bigots but because they have opted to force that choice on us. Put another way, they are to blame for the world they have helped create.

  393. “Glad you went there. “Discriminate” against a Christian and the right goes batshit crazy. With a Muslim, maybe not so much.”

    Duh.

    Glad you went there. The retarded left goes batshit crazy when it’s a muslim but discrimination against a christian, not so much.

    I look forward to the left lining up to attack the Muslim baker being forced to make a gay wedding cake.

    Try sticking to the point. It’s the scope of constitutionally protected religious freedoms you fucking bigot.

  394. “First, she did a damn poor job of it and it’s a stretch in any case. Yeah, Southerners were disparaged for clinging to a disgusting past which has nothing to do with their military service. Apples and oranges.”

    Yeah, and your “null set” had nothing to do with it.

    I can’t believe you can’t respect the sanctity of fallen soldier’s from the South.

  395. R, as I said, you can disagree with Coultre all you want. I’m not enthralled with her article. But at least I read it first. It’s not that hard to understand. . . for an aerobic organism anyway. You? Not so much.

  396. The Constitution and the rights therein have nothing to do with citizenship. Every human being that sets foot on American soil is protected by those rights.

    But those rights do not apply to those who don’t set foot on our soil. Again, this is the entire reason there is Guantanamo.

    You can choose to disagree all you want. But you’ll choose to be wrong. The Constitution does not apply to those not here, which, by definition, includes immigrants not yet here. We can legally say we won’t take any more blacks, gays, Muslims, Chinese, or any other demographic and the Constitution does not protect them.

    I still say Trump should put up a huge picture of Cpt. Khan, stand in front of it and praise him for his service, then put up pictures of Syrian and Iraqi terrorists and point out that Khan is not the type of Muslim he wants to keep out, and those other ones are. The Khans came from UAE, so they wouldn’t have been denied entry even by Trump’s most aggressive policy. He should also bring that up.

    But he’s too stupid, and so are his handlers.

  397. “I’ll start binary and work my way up.”

    Your logic is forgetting key factors–birth and conversion.

    Nobody is saying Muslims can’t breed. Nobody is saying people can’t convert to Islam. Nobody is saying Muslims cannot practice their faith. In fact, nobody is even saying we won’t take any Muslims.

    Your logic is severely flawed, and, like Trump, you’d really be better off leaving this one alone.

  398. Also, I didn’t read Coulter’s article, nor will I. I have no interest in anything she has to say. I am only speaking to what Khan, Rutherford, and the Constitution have to say.

  399. “The Constitution and the rights therein have nothing to do with citizenship. Every human being that sets foot on American soil is protected by those rights.”

    It is waaaaay more complicated than that Huck. Sorry to parse but it’s important to this discussion.

    Non-citizens don’t share the exact same application of constitutional standards when it comes to immigration because the 14th is balanced plenary power in congress to regulate immigration, which is administrative, and therefore generally beyond court supervision. In other words, congress can make rules for immigrants, on or off the soil, that would not meet constitutional muster for citizens.

    You’re right with the general concept. But to coin a phrase from Orwell, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

    Rutherford’s establishment clause argument would get into the murky area for the same reason. But what he misses entirely is that there’s a difference between the Bill or Rights application of personal rights versus other constitutional restrictions of government authority. I think (but don’t know for certain yet) that it makes a difference because the establishment clause is from the 1st, is a personal right, and therefore the application would have to be viewed against the individual “citizen.”

    What R is talking about is the application of immigration policy against non-citizens (and non residents for that matter) which is a broader argument. I think a good argument could be made that the establishment clause under the first does not apply to immigration policy at all because the claimed personal right affected is supposedly that of a non-resident, non-citizen.

    Now the pizza shop owner and the baker are a different matter. But that discussion only devolves into the group that Rutherford prefers, not the application of personal rights, hence a wasted effort. The Orwell quote applies to R’s approach too.

    Please don’t beat me up with too many specifics. I’m no consituional scholar and there’s probably plenty of good federal case law that works around this stuff, none of which I am familiar with nor inclined to beat down. Maybe BiC will stumble in with something on this topic since he really gets into it.

  400. I’m not even sure what Rutherford thinks he’s saying.” -muffy

    I’m still not sure what Rutherford thinks he’s saying.

    I still like Ann Coulter. Smart cookie. Clever article.

    I did think that Huck’s tip (the earlier one and the recently expanded version) was superior in it’s simplicity and incisiveness.

  401. In fact, nobody is even saying we won’t take any Muslims.

    Now. Trump changed his position. He started with a temporary ban on Muslims, period.

    I take your point about the constitution applying to those here. I still say a religious test on immigration is a back door to establishment of religion (or de-establishment of a religion).

    Your bigger point is a bullseye. And yes, Trump is too stupid to go that route.

  402. It is waaaaay more complicated than that Huck. Sorry to parse but it’s important to this discussion. ,,,

    WOW – that long and thoughtful bit of discussion triggered by the idiot Rutherford. Maybe my comments were worth a more thoughtful response in the first place – instead of accusations that I didn’t read the piece of shit article when I actually did.

    The kicker is:

    Rutherford’s establishment clause argument would get into the murky area for the same reason. But what he misses entirely is that there’s a difference between the Bill or Rights application of personal rights versus other constitutional restrictions of government authority.

    You’re kidding. I actually had an argument? I thought it was blathering nonsense.

    Have a nice day.

  403. LOL, just seeing this….

    The metaphor fits. If she wishes to cast stones at others for blindly following Trump, she’s been the poster child of blind DEM hackness. My thing for JAL is that she’s a fucking moron who should spend more time thinking than talking. I’ve said as much about you too, so I’m an equal opportunity kind of guy…

    As has been pointed out, a few times, he has talked about immigration from certain countries. I don’t share his delivery, but as someone who actually has to look at this stuff, the notion of vetting these people is very, very, very difficult. Anyone who says that this isn’t, is incredibly ignorant–or incredibly deceitful. We have proof that ISIL is using the refugee streams to move external operatives into Western nations to attack, so this should be a no brainer from a national defense perspective.

    Which brings me back to the point, Clinton and the Dems have called the Benghazi parents liars, frauds, charlatans, etc. Dems have accused the GOP of using the parents as shills to attack Clinton.

    Did Trump have anything to do with the Iraq war or Benghazi? No.

    Did Clinton? Yes on both fronts. She voted to go to war and she was directly responsible for the safety and security of the Consulate in Benghazi. Khan can wag his finger and call Trump names if he wants, but its theater. Clinton is connected to both Khan’s son’s death AND the Benghazi Parents. THAT matters…

  404. “Flights logs revealed that former president Bill Clinton flew on a registered sex offender’s jet far more than previously thought.

    Clinton was aboard the infamous Lolita Express owned by a billionaire pedophile at least 26 times, according to records.”

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/billclintonflewonpedophileplane/

    And here are 7 (SEVEN) reasons trump is just as such…

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/5556/7-things-you-need-know-about-trump-and-sex-slave-amanda-prestigiacomo

  405. And before Lurker and/or Rutherford run in here yelling about GOP budget cuts, I will remind them of a few things…

    1) Cutting the budget of an overall area is not the same as cutting it to a specific area. The GOP Congress might have cut spending on embassy security, but it was still the Executive branch that allocated the funding to each individual facility.

    2) The facility in Benghazi was not an embassy. It was a diplomatic outpost in a war zone.

    3) Obama signed the bill that cut his spending on embassy security. He could have vetoed it, but he didn’t. His signature makes him a willing participant.

    4) And the most important point….The party line is that they didn’t know about any requests for more security. This claim negates the claim that budget cuts made for less security. What it does prove is that the people who were responsible for the safety of that place were not doing their job. It was either a breakdown in communication up the chain or a willingness to keep a low profile for what could be a variety of reasons. Neither one of those things involves the letters GOP.

  406. And another point….

    5) If the Executive felt there wasn’t enough security (which their obviously wasn’t) they should not have even established and manned that outpost. Amb. Stevens wanting to be there is secondary to the fact that he was sent there. Obama and Clinton are the ones who sent those people there. They are the ones who wrote the checks to pay for its establishment and security. They sent those men into a war zone, didn’t send them enough protection in the first place, and didn’t send them any help when they were under attack.

  407. LOL, again, just seeing this…

    “Please put that 1.5 inch thickpecker back where it belongs. Thank You!” – JAL

    Fixed it for you…

    To sit there and to say that Clinton had nothing to do with Benghazi just highlights how much of a fucking shill you are. To actually say that the Secretary of State is not responsible for the security of State Department facilities overseas is beyond the pale. And you’re diatribe against R that it shouldn’t matter that Clinton and the DNC have been caught red-handed committing election fraud discredits you–not that you really had any credibility–that much more.

    You’re a hack and a shill, an intellectual midget, and quite possibly the most principle-lacking person I’ve seen here. You and R may not like the deep throat reference, but it fits. All you are is a service to Obama and the Dems, mindlessly pleasing them while not critically evaluating their stance, or your position–metaphorical or otherwise.

    You’re a hack.

  408. Forget the he said she said. The Benghazi 4 were sacrificed to cover our supplying terrorists with weapons revealing our support for the very terrorists we are supposed to be fighting. As I have maintained all along we really aren’t fighting terror rather inciting it.

    “Even more disturbingly, the U.S. was fully aware of and facilitating the delivery of weapons to the al-Qa’eda-dominated rebel militias throughout the 2011 rebellion. The jihadist agenda of AQIM, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), and other Islamic terror groups represented among the rebel forces was well known to U.S. officials responsible for Libya policy. The rebels made no secret of their al-Qa’eda affiliation, openly flying and speaking in front of the black flag of Islamic jihad, according to author John Rosenthal and multiple media reports. And yet, the White House and senior Congressional members deliberately and knowingly pursued a policy that provided material support to terrorist organizations in order to topple a ruler who had been working closely with the West actively to suppress al-Qa’eda. The result in Libya, across much of North Africa, and beyond has been utter chaos, disruption of Libya’s oil industry, the spread of dangerous weapons (including surface-to-air missiles), and the empowerment of jihadist organizations like al-Qa’eda and the Muslim Brotherhood.”

    http://www.aim.org/benghazi/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CCB-Interim-Report-4-22-2014.pdf

  409. To follow up on Poolman I’d like to cite the Mission Impossible rule. When you engage in covert shit no one is going to save your ass. Stevens was purportedly getting arms to militants (outside his actual job description) and the CIA annex was a secret. So the two killed there had no hope. You don’t rescue people from a place that “doesn’t exist”. To quote a well known source:

    “The Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.”

  410. Good rule. The fucker deserved it, therefore Hillary ain’t responsible and can lie to the family members of those killed.

  411. It took less than 24 hours to go from this:

    “It seems there is always finding fault of the victim (rape, spousal abuse, deaths cause by cops) on the right. Why? Where does this view come from?”

    “I did find Alfie’s suggestion that Khan may have negligently contributed to his own demise a bit off putting.”

    To this:

    “When you engage in covert shit no one is going to save your ass.”

  412. I’m not sure Capt Khan is comparable to Stevens and the CIA operatives.

    Are you saying our hearts should go out to all of them? Of course. No argument there. But when we talk about the aftermath of their death there is a difference in how you handle the death of a soldier vs someone engaged in covert activities.

  413. When you join our military or our government, they own your ass. You are a government asset to be used in whatever way they choose just as a business utilizes its assets. Some have attributed the role of soldier as guinea pig or pawn on a grand chessboard. Ambassador would be another term for spy.

    http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,120304_ArmyBusiness-P1,00.html

    Their lives were not their own, whether their relatives understood that or not. Since our upper crust has been proven as liars and cheats, it should be understood they have no concern or compassion for those they sacrifice to maintain their comfort and status.

  414. And another thing …

    Some folks here are terribly poor at root cause analysis. Benghazi was not the problem. Our Libyan intervention was the problem – a policy championed by Hillary Clinton and DEFENDED by many of the hawks in this establishment. Qaddafi never received justice for any crimes he might have committed. Instead he was assassinated by a mob with Hillary Clinton laughing in the background. So no, Alfie, I’m not all in for Hillary. I know what to blame her for.

  415. “I still say a religious test on immigration is a back door to establishment of religion (or de-establishment of a religion).”

    This is a pretty simple concept. Of the 23,000+ terrorists attacks since 9/11, 91% of them were done by radical Islamist. I am curious, how does one call a spade a spade that doesn’t harm your delicate sensibilities? It is a fact, not profiling, that terrorism is primarily done by radical Islamist. Islam is putting itself on trial, not the other way around. We are just reacting to their actions.

  416. OK maybe I’m subconsciously smoking crack and therefore I’m unaware of it BUT WHO EXACTLY BACKED LIBYA ACTION???
    I know it wasn’t me crack or no crack. I’m also pretty sure Huck was pretty clear on the illegality of it so I’m scoring him a no. So….

  417. Alfie, I’ve seen justifications of the Libya action here on some humanitarian basis. May have been Rabbit or another member of the Coulter crew.

    P.S. New thread.

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