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GOP Convention 2016

This will be just a quick round-up on my thoughts on this year’s Republican convention. I’ll be updating this post as each day of the four day affair ends.

Day 4

It’s OK to be Gay

Entrepreneur Peter Thiel is one odd dude. He wants to set up islands that are independent countries (seasteading). He has spoken out against democracy as a working system. He wants to be frozen after death so he can be revived when medical technology allows him to keep living. On the more conventional side, he founded PayPal and recently drove the web site Gawker into bankruptcy. All this aside, the most striking thing about Thiel is that he is gay, told the RNC crowd that he is gay and proud of it, and got … applause! Is the Republican party inching toward Libertarianism? You be the judge.

The Trump Kids – The Grand Finale

Ivanka Trump – wow, just wow! As an old fan of The Apprentice, I watched Ivanka in the board room and had mixed feelings about her. She seemed a bit cold and detached. She also seemed smart as a tack and that was on full display at the convention on Day 4. Ivanka used construction as a metaphor for why Donald would be perfect for the Presidency. From the ability to get a project done, to the need to work with an economically and ethnically diverse group of people, the construction industry was used by Ivanka as a case study for why Donald Trump has the skills to run this country. Then, in a departure from conservative dogma, Ivanka acknowledged the pay gap between men and women. She said the gap exists particularly for older women returning to the workforce after child-bearing. She called for a robust child care system to put women on an equal footing in this regard. AND — get this — said she would personally see that it gets done if Daddy was elected. Does this suggest Donald will have major government roles for his children? Her delivery was near perfect. I pity the fool that has to follow her on stage. Which brings us to …

The Main Event

Donald spoke for a long long long long time. I think it clocked in at about an hour and 15 minutes. It reminded me of the Will Smith film “Ali”, a three hour biopic of Muhammad Ali that should have been two hours. With editing, Trump’s speech would have been one of the better acceptance speeches in RNC history. He painted a grim picture of a country gripped in crime, terrorism and corruption. He swore at the outset that he wasn’t going to lie to the audience and indeed his perception of our current state is shared by many Americans. He specified few solutions but these acceptance speeches typically don’t rise to that standard. What specifics did Mitt or McCain offer in 2012 and 2008?

There were two standout moments of the speech, both of which I believe were ad-libbed. The first was when Trump greeted the audience chants of “lock her up” with “let’s defeat her in November’. This was reminiscent of Obama answering boos at rallies with “don’t boo, vote”. The other moment which was near jaw dropping occurred when Trump pledged to protect the LGBTQ community from foreign ideologies out to kill them. After the crowd cheered, Trump said he was happy the crowd reacted that way. Holy crap! A conservative crowd shows tolerance, hell, even heartfelt concern for gays and the nominee encourages it!

Perhaps the real achievement of Trump’s speech was his ability to suggest his hard-ass approaches, “the law and order candidate”, etc., would benefit ALL citizens. Blacks would be lifted by an attack on ghetto crime. Hispanics would be lifted by an attack on illegal immigration. This was a speech that made Trump tolerable to THINKING liberals who aren’t just knee-jerk partisan.

Epilogue

Much has been said in the past few days about how negative this convention has been. Folks, you ain’t seen nothing yet. I predict the Democratic Convention next week will be at least as negative in its attack against the Donald. Tune in here next week for my day by day blow by blow.

Day 3

The GOP is Racist Meme

While it is true that the delegate audience is overwhelmingly white, the minority guest speakers had the full attention of the audience. One example, on Day 3 was pastor Darrell Scott. I’ve seen the pastor on news shows speaking up for the Donald, so I kinda knew his spiel already. I focused more on the audience and they were with him 100%. It might be time to start considering that the GOP’s race problem is more one of poor outreach vs actual disdain or racism. Conservative blacks (few and far between) certainly seemed welcome and at home at this event.

Why Didn’t This Man Get the Nomination? Booooooring!!!

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. Enough said. (At least he kept the “pledge”).

Marco Phones it In

Florida Senator Marco Rubio sent a video to the convention. He gave a lukewarm endorsement of Trump. He didn’t seem particularly inspired.

I Do Not Like Trump, Sam I Am

Texas Senator and Dr. Seuss filibusterer, Ted Cruz created chaos when he refused to endorse the GOP nominee. His “vote your conscience” plea was about as explicit a way as possible to say “Donald is an asshole.” The New York delegation had a collective aneurysm. Ted made matters worse by thanking the delegation for their enthusiasm, in his typical passive aggressive way that makes you want to punch him in the face. But it must be said that this was an odd mixture of honor and dishonor. It is dishonorable to take a pledge and then discard it. On the other hand, Ted’s wife and father were personally besmirched by Donald and his campaign team. What self respecting man could endorse Donald after that? You have to give the trouble maker credit for putting his foot down and refusing to exhibit the hypocrisy demonstrated by his fellow primary contenders.

The Trump Kids Part 2

Eric Trump was ok. He couldn’t match the skill of his older brother Don Jr. but he did a good job. It is clear that the boys dearly love their father and while that does not qualify Donald to handle the nuclear codes, it does humanize him.

Newt, Cleanup in Aisle 5

It fell to SOMEBODY to clean up Ted Cruz’s mess and Newt Gingrich, former Speaker of the House and Washington fixture was the man to do it. Newt basically said the only way to “vote your conscience” was to vote for Donald Trump; otherwise Hillary wins. He then spent the balance of his address on the ISIL threat. I must admit, when he was done I felt a lot less cozy in my Naperville living room than before he began. Donald was ultimately right. Newt is a great surrogate and probably a poor Veep choice.

The Veep, a 21st Century Ronald Reagan

While the Donald would like us to believe he is some sort of reincarnation of Ronald Reagan, the true Reagan doppelganger is the Veep choice, Mike Pence. In accepting the nomination for VP, Pence reminded me of Reagan in his self deprecating humor, the cadence of his speech, his corniness, his down-home regular guy approach. Pence was a right wing radio host so he is comfortable in front of the mic. My only problem with him was that his speaking style doesn’t lend itself to a long speech and I found the speech overly long. MSNBC dinged Trump for not staying on the stage longer with Pence. I found nothing wrong with it – for once Trump was letting someone else get the limelight. The good news is Pence left the crowd energized and he was the last speaker of the night so we didn’t get anyone talking to a half empty room like the previous two nights.

Melania-gate Update

After Paul Manafort (who should be canned pronto) said nothing to see here about the plagiarism mini-scandal, a Trump ghostwriter came forward to admit she helped Melania with the speech and inadvertently put Michele’s words in there. She offered her resignation, which was refused by Trump. Bottom line: Melania vindicated and Trump looking like a loyal, noble stand-up employer. Not bad for a 3 day scandal.

Another ghostwriter, the dude who actually wrote “The Art of the Deal”, Trump’s mega bestseller, was interviewed in the New Yorker magazine and said Trump could not be trusted with the nuclear codes. Unfortunately, I smell a washed up ghostwriter trying to revive his career. Can you spell opportunist?

 Day 2

Trump Has Made Pols Booooooring!

Whether it was Cotton and Sessions on day 1 or Ryan and McConnell on day 2, the verdict is the same – virtual snooze fest. Donald’s unorthodox diarrhea of the mouth speaking style has rendered the speeches of “professional” politicians wooden, predictable and full of platitudes. Next.

Business Endorsements

From my thinking, business endorsements should be Donald Trump’s bread and butter. Much more than Mitt Romney, having never been a politician, Donald is selling himself as a business success story. Hence, speakers like Dana White, President of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, are a more logical choice here than at previous conventions. I’m actually aware of the UFC due to my studies related to my day job. As an organization, they are consummate sales people. White’s endorsement of the Donald shed light on the  businessman and the personal side as well. Good pitch, short and sweet.

The Just-the-Facts-Ma’am Barn Burner

Without the histrionics of Rudy Giuliani, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie offered a searing indictment of Hillary Clinton. He listed her various “crimes” and in a call and response pattern got the crowd to pronounce her “guilty” on all counts. It was both entertaining and effective. Not too many good words about Trump but that has been typical of the convention so far.

The Trump Kids Part 1

Tiffany and Donald Jr. took turns at the mic. Tiffany came off like a stuck-up snotty brat who frankly described an absentee Dad, albeit a kind one. She is the product of Donald and Marla Maples and from what I could gather was not raised near Donald after the divorce. I found her presentation cringe-worthy but I have to give her props for speaking to a crowd like that at the tender age of 22. She just “graduated college” (arrrrrrgh!!!!!) in June – she went to U. Penn. I’m still in shock that U. Penn. didn’t teach her that people graduate FROM college.

Don Jr., familiar to most viewers as Dad’s side kick in the board room on The Apprentice, pretty much hit it out of the park. No warm and fuzzy family stories but instead a crystal clear portrait of a successful businessman with a feel for “the common man”. His only slip was his description of Donald teaching his grand-kids how to swing a golf club. Sorry, golf ain’t the game for the common man. But that’s a minor quibble. Junior successfully pivoted from the professional to the political, painting his father as the solution to America’s problems. A stellar performance.

Honorable mention goes to Dr. Ben Carson who kept us entertained throughout the primary season. He said Hillary was a follower of a follower of Lucifer (a reference to Saul Alinsky) and concluded by warning us that if we don’t recognize God’s grace, He will go elsewhere and leave us to our own devices. Hard to understand why he isn’t the nominee!

Day 1

Rick Perry Hypocrisy Avoidance

Rick, who declared Donald Trump a “cancer” on conservatism managed to avoid utter hypocrisy by not really singing Donald’s praises. He mainly just introduced war hero Marcus Luttrell.

Chachi Was There

Yes, Scott Baio of “Joannie Loves Chachi” fame was a speaker. He did better than Clint Eastwood.

Was Grief Exploited?

I don’t know what to think about the heart wrenching speech given by Pat Smith, whose son was one of the four Americans killed in the Benghazi terrorist attack. She was there of her own free will yet I can’t get the nasty taste out of my mouth that she has become a political pawn. I will say this – she makes everyone from Hillary Clinton to the liberal media who say “but she’s mistaken”, look heartless and cruel. If you’re not moved by this woman’s pain, you have no heart.

Blacks Back the Donald

Jamiel Shaw and Sheriff David Clarke added some color to the predominantly white affair. Shaw lost his son to an illegal immigrant and Clarke is an outspoken critic of Black Lives Matter. I was impressed by how restrained Clarke was. I have seen him on YouTube and Fox and I expected a barn burner.

Yawners

Senators Tom Cotton and Jeff Sessions. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Rudy and Joni

Rudy Giuliani was a throwback to Jennifer Granholm at an old Dem Convention, in other words OVER THE TOP. I thought old Rudy might stroke out right there on the stage. Still I found the speech effective. Senator Joni Ernst earned her place in history by declaring ISIL present in all 50 states of the union. This of course was in line with the theme of the first night: be afraid, be very afraid!

Michelle Obama – ahem – Melania Trump

In what was otherwise a perfectly fine speech by the First Lady Wannabe, Melania inexplicably lifted passages from Michelle Obama’s 2008 convention speech. This escapade deserves a post of its own. As of this writing, the Trump team says “you didn’t cut my arm off, it’s just a flesh wound“. Conservative radio personality Larry Elder tweeted:

So the “you did it too”defense is in full swing. Either Melania is a cheater (and her judgment in marrying Trump makes one wonder) or she has been badly screwed by a Trump staffer who helped her write the speech. Hard to tell if it will just blow over. MSNBC (expectedly) obsessed over it; CNN covered it; and Fox totally ignored it.

The only piece of day 1 that I missed that I still want to see was Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who led the chant “Lock her up” referring to Hillary belonging in the slammer.

The bar is open, what do you think?

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457 thoughts on “GOP Convention 2016

  1. Listening to the giggling school girls on MSNBC does make it mighty hard not to recall all of those plagiarized speeches from Dear Leader and his challenged sidekick.

  2. I’m 25 minutes in and so far it is the typical brilliants that everyone has come to expect from Bill Whittle. This is a long one but I think this is an interesting theory I had not heard before.

  3. Holy smokes, Melania’s 46?

    Well at least she didn’t copy Michelle’s dress sense.

    The problems with the speech not her fault of course. Pity too because hers was a first class delivery. The woman speaks five languages. Obviously they would have looked at First Lady nom speeches and somebody screwed up between the notes and the rewrites. Perhaps more important than the content matches is the proximity of context though. It had to be Michelle!

    Sheriff Clarke is a great ally.

    Striking the other candidates so openly breaking their word to support the nominee. I suppose there’s still time.

    “Fox totally ignored it.”

    You would totally be fired for reporting that blatant untruth. Except from MSNBC.

  4. Bush: “I’m worried that I will be the last Republican president.”

    I wonder if he knows how funny that statement is.

  5. For multiple reasons Bush’s statement rings true. Bringing in 1,000,000 Syrian refugees, less than 1% of which are Christians, refusing to close our southern border. Democrat policies will engineer our elections as such that mathematically they will never lose an election again.

  6. It’s still inconceivable to me they would accidentally or otherwise copy Michelle Obama’s speech like that.

    I now realize all of these shitty politicians do this stuff…. But how can they be that dumb with this speech in particular. Wonder if someone sabotaged her.

  7. @Rabbit – The spin smells really bad. They’d better fire someone. Maybe even in glorious fashion.

    I can’t say I’m impressed at all with Monteforte. I think it was Ann Coulter who said his first directive to Trump should have been to fire his new consultants (of which Monty was chief).

  8. @Noah – Yeah I know all that stuff. I just mean there were a lot of people saying those very words while he was president.

  9. I’m standing by my remarks to R via Twitter. I think what we’re seeing is speechwriting 101 showing us that the internet and slack academic expectations is not limited to journalism.
    How many ways,how many FLOTUS can be expected to deliver anything but a canned speech? Just like valedictorians how many ways can you express a life?
    There is a line between plagiarism and canned speech and We the People should come to grips with that.
    Since I’m not watching or voting this year I’ll just assume some of your other points are good ones R. On the surface some seem fair if not a little slanted.

  10. (A) it was a speech from 8 years ago
    (B) It would appear that Michelle lifted that speech from Alinsky.
    (C) First ladies are pretty much pigeonholed. Their speeches are pretty predictable.

    To me this is a massive nothing burger. She isn’t running. There were no national security leaks. I just couldn’t care less about this.

  11. Here are the comments from Michelle Obama in 2008:

    And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them.

    And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.

    Melania Trump’s speech:

    From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life. That your word is your bond, that you do what you say and keep your promise. That you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily life. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to or son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.

  12. your word is your bond
    you do what you say you’re going to do
    treat people with dignity and respect
    pass them on to the next generation

    Michelle didn’t build that. Those are not Michelle originals. These are all things that people have said in a hundreds of times long before anyone knew her name.

  13. It’s easy to blow the Melania thing out of proportion but there is a bit to unwrap, some of which has been noted in the comments:

    1) I don’t remember the exact numbers but one Melania passage had roughly a 24 out of 28 word match to Michelle.

    2) That said, how many ways are there to recite platitudes? When I first heard the story (as it broke cos I was up late) I thought “damn the media is being petty”. It’s the word for word matches, including the order they were in that makes it pretty clear plagiarism.

    3) As expressed in the comments, was this sabotage within the Trump campaign?

    4) How was it caught so fast and who first reported it, a Dem or a GOPer?

    5) What a coincidence that Melania just happens to tell Matt Lauer that she wrote the speech with as little help as possible about an hour before giving it.

    6) Is this further evidence that the entire Trump candidacy is a Clinton orchestrated scam to get her elected?

    Just an observation: Paul Manafort scares me. I swear he looks like a gangster. He’s best known for doing PR work for dictators and despots (no joke).

  14. I have a question for our veterans here … I don’t know if any of you have seen combat … is Marcus Luttrell permanently damaged? The dude looked high as a kite to me and quite unstable. Coulda been stagefright but I thought he speaks for a living. Could it be drugs for PTSD?

  15. Quite unstable? I swear Rutherford. You’re depleted uranium dense. 😆 😆 That was a dynamite speech, pretty much off the cuff. He said to hell with the teleprompter and the speech immediately got better.

  16. Tex I can see the appeal of the speech. I’m asking about the demeanor. The man looked like he had ants in his pants. He looked high on something.

    So I’m asking those here with any military service, which excludes you and me, whether they have insight into the guy. I haven’t read nor seen “Lone Survivor”.

  17. Presumptive no more. Despite the Never Trump and Dump Trump movements, Donald J. Trump is now the Republican nominee for President of the United States of America.

    Congrats my Republican friends and may God have mercy on your soul. 😀🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😀

  18. The thing about Trump is he is not Hillary. Trump has nothing in his past that approaches espionage or treason. Hillary had more than 400 delegates before the Iowa caucus. How’s that for having a choice?

  19. Thanks for the new thread, Rutherford.

    I’m not into pomp and platitudes, so I won’t be watching any of the spectacle. I have no faith in the current system or any of its players. Too two dimensional to me.

  20. I think I’m back to not voting Trump – my reasoning that I can’t sign my name on to a man that blamed Bush for 9/11 and the fact too many of his devout are equally as insufferable as the worst of Clinton drones, and the fact Hillary will never win this state. My conscience will be clear and I will not have helped elect Hillary.

    I’ll vote down ticket and have already confirmed it doesn’t invalidate the rest of the ballot.

    It’s an effed up country we live in anymore.

  21. Met a couple 2nd cousins of mine from Poland today. Legal immigrants who now live in Brooklyn, New York. Came and watched my softball game.

    They might open a Polish restaurant in the Detroit area.

    The find leftists insane.

  22. “my reasoning that I can’t sign my name on to a man that blamed Bush for 9/11 and the fact too many of his devout are equally as insufferable as the worst of Clinton drones”

    I hear you. I was in up to the bar tonight and everybody was talking Trump. These people were the dumbest motherfuckers I’ve heard speak politics in a long time.
    They want him to be a tyrant.

  23. “Seems to me your choice is a leftist tyrant or a right-wing one. If those are the terms, what’s your choice?”

    The right-wing one, because that is the only way the tyranny will be exposed.

    If it’s the left-wing one the tyranny will be covered up by a complicit media and be called nothingburgers by independent bloggers.

  24. The right-wing one, because that is the only way the tyranny will be exposed.

    Great point, Huck.

    And that is the only thing that would make a joke like Donald J. Trump palatable for me over Hillary Clinton. If Trump truly does begin to show fascist tendencies, I have no doubt he could be impeached.

    With Hillary Clinton? It will simply move from charges of racism under Barack to misogyny charges under Hillary.

  25. I’ll pull for Trump, but I’ll be drunk as fuck when I do it. This election, I’m a single issue voter: SUPREME COURT. I’ll hold out hope that Trump turns into a positive, but we ALL know that Clinton is a liar, corrupt, and abusive. Putting her in the most powerful position in the world would only magnify those aspects of her, which is unfathomable.

    As for Tyrants…if Trumps follows the precedents set by Obama–and does no more–he’ll be vilified as a wannabe dictator, with the left completely ignoring the fact that Obama did it first. Hell, if he does half of what Obama has done, he’ll likely be painted that way anyway.

    Meanwhile, Obama is copiously taking notes from Erdogan…

  26. I cannot trick my mind into believing that any of this public display matters and that we really have a choice if we participate in the ritual.

    Certainly the view is different on the right than it is on the left. Sure the music different and the conversations cliquish. Sure they practice different religions on the left than they do on the right. Sure they look and dress differently. They hold differing ideals and opposing perspectives. Priorities are WAY different. The choice ends up nothing more than where you’re more comfortable. Maybe others choose your seat for you.

    But pull back the curtain already. This train is heading to the same depot. So what if we switch turns in the locomotive or affix a new fangled cowcatcher. The rails have already been laid.

  27. “I’ll pull for Trump, but I’ll be drunk as fuck when I do it…
    As for Tyrants…
    Meanwhile, Obama is copiously taking notes from Erdogan…

    Cheers!
    Ain’t it the truth?
    I bet he is.

    I second ET’s Amen to Huck insightful remark too.

    ~~~

    I catch a few minutes of the cavalcade of dunces on Morning Joe several times a week and it seems like whenever I tune in it’s 1/3 self-congratulatory horseshit for being right about Trump when everybody else was wrong, 1/3 about how the right doesn’t want to talk about Trump just how they must beat Hillary, and 1/3 redirecting away from Hillary because they don’t want to talk about Hillary just how they must beat Trump. Abhorrent creatures.

    I miss Imus in the morning.

  28. Hey Rutherford, check out the discourse at your beloved Harvard.

    Incredible the same place that allows this also shuts down free speech.

  29. Muffy, I miss Imus too. I used to watch his simulcast while I got ready for work every morning.

    All time favorite:

  30. Rabbit I stopped watching when it was clear there were poorly done edits on the video. Either show me what happened or don’t. That said, the notion that white lives don’t matter is absurd. Another thing, you’re accusing Harvard of censorship. Prove it. I am 100% against the thought police and safe zones and trigger words prevalent at several schools. I haven’t been reading about this being a thing at Harvard.

  31. Muffy’s sampling of Morning Joe is not to be taken seriously. I watch just the opening segment daily and Hillary has been destroyed on the show, particularly by Scarborough with begrudging nods from Mika.

    Is Scarborogh Hannity? Thank God no.

  32. Iwatch hours, and hours, and hours of Morning Joe and TiVo it and rewind to be sure I get all of it.

    Muffy’s assessment is right on the money.

  33. The best part about the NBP even if you don’t find them any kind of real threat? It is the WH and DOJ sanctioned double standards. Thank God for double standards. It’s the way the country should be run. It’s the right message, and the results have and will bear that out.

    Fuck Whitey!

  34. Iwatch hours, and hours, and hours of Morning Joe and TiVo it and rewind to be sure I get all of it.

    I’m glad to see you finally admit it. 😉 It’s a shame your conclusion is wrong.

  35. “I’m glad to see you finally admit it. 😉 It’s a shame your conclusion is wrong.”

    How the fuck would you know? You only watch the “opening segment.”

    I LIVE THE SHIT!!!!

    THEY ARE MY FRIENDS!!!

  36. Are there seriously any blacks that think their militancy is a winnable movement? The current trend found within parts of the black community is going to prove disastrous for them. They truly are niggers,meaning they are stupendously ignorant of reality.

  37. “Rabbit I stopped watching when it was clear there were poorly done edits on the video. Either show me what happened or don’t.”

    Fair enough. Lot of editing.

  38. Later everyone. I’m going to Lake Superior for a week or when ever the fuck I personally feel like coming back. For sure a week with family.

    Going agate hunting with my wannabe geologist kids. Doubt I will have phone service, not alone wifi.

    Also checking into my rural ghetto hide for a while and prepping for deer season. My high maintenance brothers object to the current conditions of what was probably a former meth lab now sleeping quarters. I ripped out and replaced every piece of wood in there. Now I am going slather it in KILLZ paint. Set up a feeder. Salt lick.

  39. Rutherford you plagiarized David Cameron from his last PMQ’s.

    If so, I’m honored! 🙂

    The N word is creeping into your rhetoric with greater frequency lately and while I understand you’re trying to make a point, it still makes my stomach ache a bit. Could you try “negro” or even “darkie” to make your point?

  40. Carson is speaking to his crowd. A group of individuals that are beyond your ability to understand, mostly because being a bigoted against anyone unlike yourself colors your thinking to the point that a rational opinion is beyond you. The party of tolerance does not allow for his kind in your world view, unless of course they are of Islam then you capitulate.

    Carson did not invent a work of fiction, he accurately reported a fact. We can quibble if that fact has any merit but it remains a fact nonetheless. I am not a big fan of Christie but his speech was a home run.

  41. Rutherford I’m done being nice and if that statement earns a snicker or two so be it. Here’s a long article from the CSM about a Washington State florist who is getting absolutely raped by the ACLU. The ACLU lies constantly through the piece and the queer lobby also shows unbridled arrogance. This is in the CSM which contrary to the “C” is a relatively left wing progressive entity.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2016/0712/A-florist-caught-between-faith-and-financial-ruin
    Seriously Rutherford on the net and in real life I’m all done being nice to and about those who are pisssing on me and mine.
    As for your stomach upset I don’t know what to tell you other than “negro” or “darkie” or “boo” etc are not going to used. When the word is the absolute right word I’m using it. Otherwise I use the term black as I have made it a point in this thread.

  42. FWIW I know a lot of black folks who are conflicted but not in the ways the media portrays folks. They have the same experiences of disproportionate profiling and the understandable angst a life of that brings. They also don’t like seeing “brothers” dying. The twist though is they KNOW that if you get a bunch of hot heads keep fronting up on the poh poh’s the slogan is changing to BlackLivesMatter …um what black lives?

  43. 76 Reagan was the comparison before he took the stage when I tuned in.

    The never Trumpers are gonna love him tomorrow.

    I personally thought it was a great speech.

  44. Churchillian. 😆 😆 😆

    In all fairness, when you post an insidious picture of a man’s wife to mock him, when it has now been well demonstrated Cruz had nothing to do with it, and you call a man a liar day after day after day, are you really so arrogant to think he’s going to give you some ringing endorsement?

    If you’re Republican politician, you’re probably stupid enough to think so. For the rest of us, not so much.

    Donald Trump forgot his own good advice. It’s called the Art of the Deal – and Trump dealt chit throughout that campaign. Frankly, Cruz has balls most other politicians only dream about. And in time, people are going to look back and realize Cruz was absolutely right.

    Cruz political career may be over as Republican. But I got a feeling his political career isn’t.

  45. I’m so conflicted. I have to give the guy credit – Trump said his father was involved in JFK’s assassination. Tex is right. Who in his right mind could endorse?

    But Ted is such an asshole!!!!

  46. He’s better off leaving. Same with Rand Paul—the only person in the Senate who voted against Comey’s confirmation.

  47. Newt eclipsed everyone else for me.

    The crowd annoys me.

    Everyone who signed the pledge and didnt honor it is in the wrong for promising in the first place.

  48. It is actually amazing how Melania-gate will very possibly HELP Trump. Staffer comes forward, falls on her sword and Trump nobly forgives her as loyal employee.

    Incredible.

  49. The crowd annoys me.

    Me too. It’s hard to imagine anyone here but Rutherford actually sitting through one of these POS. I can see Rutherford with a toy hat and an Obama Hope & Change pin on his lapel, waving a Democrat big finger doing so. 😆 😆

    I hate to say this, but anyone participating wearing those clown costumes and waving banners in these conventions needs to get a life. I can’t believe I’ve actually wasted time watching some of this crap on CSPAN. I feel like a toad and a massive loser sitting in my recliner watching this abomination.

  50. ” I can see Rutherford with a toy hat and an Obama Hope & Change pin on his lapel, waving a Democrat big finger doing so.”
    Lol!

    “http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/600/img/photos/2016/07/14/a5/36/061216-dem-delegates3.jpg”

    I haven’t watched one second of this bull shit. It’s for losers who yearn to belong.

    I miss the days of just leaving for somewhere. My wife takes too much shit.

  51. I don’t have a problem with what Cruz did. It is not what I would have done, but I support him in making up his own mind. These are the consequences I mentioned 10 months ago when everyone was running one of the dirtiest primaries in our nations history. When members of this group were at each others throats saying all kinds of terrible things. There is a price to pay when you run a win at any cost campaign and we are seeing that now. No one is free from blame on this, (except maybe Carson) everyone had a hand and has a measure of blame to take. Everyone seems to remember that they all pledged to support each other but few seem to remember them renouncing that pledge as well.

    Also lets not forget, we elected him to do a job and for the most part Cruz has outperformed most other people in Congress with one of the best Conservative voting records, over 90%.

  52. You don’t “renounce” a pledge. You either honor it or you break it.

    “Everyone seems to remember that they all pledged to support each other but few seem to remember them renouncing that pledge as well.”

    That’s the point.

    What will people remember from this? It’s knowing what that is that the Dems and Trump have mastered.

  53. If you turn to media to get our outlook, you should know who they are and whom they represent. We do not have a free press OR selling off the fourth estate…

    MOCKINGBIRDS EXPOSED: WHY THE CORPORATE MEDIA WILL NEVER EVER EXPOSE FALSE FLAGS & SYSTEMIC CORRUPTION

    I don’t watch any of this campaign garbage on teevee which is all about covering this circus, but I do read comments and articles from people that do. It is mildly entertaining. Most of it is same old, same old, but sometimes I can gain some good insight.

    Scott Creighton thinks that donald jr is being primed for the future just like bobo was at the 2004 convention. He thinks that this time camp trump is all in for hILLary. He thinks donald is intentionally destroying his chance at being selected, now that he has eliminated all challengers. I don’t see any chance he will be the one, since he has been a good tool so far in fracturing the right.

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/my-thoughts-on-day-three-of-the-idiocracy-that-is-the-republican-convention/

  54. @Tigre – funny Imus clip. Those are some thick skins. Strange that we don’t have him on the radio anywhere close by here.

  55. “What will people remember from this? It’s knowing what that is that the Dems and Trump have mastered.”

    When it is truly mastered then it is neither known, nor remembered.

    They’re getting there.

  56. Does anyone else here think Cruz represents the wing of the party frightened they have lost and willing to have President Hillary Rodham Clinton?

  57. Does anyone else here think Cruz represents the wing of the party frightened they have lost and willing to have President Hillary Rodham Clinton?

    Does anyone else here find far too many Trump supporters have a real whiff of something not terribly dissimilar from the Obama stooges, goons, crybullies, communists, and SJWs that we’ve all grown to hate over the last 16 years? As I’ve said before, the Republican version of Hope & Change?

    Alfie, do I strike you as a man willing to have Hillary Rotten Clinton as President? Or do I strike you as one who feels it takes a “really small man” not to endorse an uber, Lefty, thuggish Democrat posing as a Republican candidate? 🙂

  58. This is about positioning for the future. He wants to be able to say “I told you so” in 2020. It will either be “I told you he couldn’t win” when he doesn’t or “I told you he’d be a mess” when he does.

    There’s no political upside to an endorsement like this. Just ask Bernie.

    If his people are going to vote for Trump, they are going to do so without needing him to tell them to. And if they aren’t, him telling them to won’t be enough. As for party, half of them (or more) don’t want Trump, either. So I doubt he will face much backlash there.

  59. Kudos to this boy for rising out of his ignorant environment and emerging with his head on straight.

    What the FUCK are you talking about? From what I can see that was a typical MIDDLE CLASS living room with GODDAM diplomas on the wall. What ignorant environment are you perceiving? Shit, you are arrogant as hell.

    And stop attaching yourself to a 14 year old boy. He’s your spokesman? Yes he’s articulate but he’s a kid. What if life events (plenty of which are waiting for him) turns him into a liberal? You gonna ditch him then? Will he suddenly become a typical black idiot?

    I really have to wonder from your posts if YOU aren’t really a 14 year old boy.

  60. I support the death penalty for intentional acts of violence like this.

    I support the death penalty for people who leave abusive notes on people’s cars because there is a lib bumper sticker on the car.

  61. The only way this ends Cruz’s political career is if Trump wins by 20 points in a landslide, which won’t happen. That spectacle yesterday… Maybe I don’t vote, in which case Cruz continues to represent my beliefs…

  62. “Does anyone else here think Cruz represents the wing of the party frightened they have lost and willing to have President Hillary Rodham Clinton?”

    Willing to have her over Trump?

    But your question led me to wonder if Cruz is voting for Trump.

  63. I find it telling Rutherford would call for a brilliant young black man to be silenced and try to shame me into doing it, especially since he is fighting so hard to keep his access to the little girls room. Cant let the good brothers get some good exposure R?

  64. Sounds to me as if the script for this convention has been written to be all inclusive. I would add the plagiarism episode intended. From the comments I have read, it strikes at all the right notes. The selection will likely go to hILLary, but this way it allows the right to save face. Image and righteous indignation mean more to them anyway. It can pass as a win.

    Another option, and several have predicted it, is we end up with martial law and more bobo.

    From bleak to bleaker to bleakest. They say it is darkest before the dawn. Me, I am usually asleep. I think it darkest when I close my eyes.

  65. My thing with Cruz is that he lost and seemingly can’t accept it. The further point with Cruz is I believe he has dialed into the fact that either the modern Conservative movement has at best stalled or more likely has failed and is set to crumble,hence he and his are frightened.
    I’m confident Ted Cruz does in fact want Hillary to be the next President of the United States and that speaks volumes about Ted Cruz.
    Perhaps wild talk from a guy not going to the polls in November but part of the problem for me is that the conservatism Cruz & Co preaches is a lie ergo I actually want the GOP do blow up. I’d actually rather see that happen with Trump in the Oval though.

  66. Everyone gave their word and many reneged after it appeared Trump was not just a flash in the pan, including Trump. I think Cruz skirted but he did show up and he gave a speech with no bashing of Trump.

  67. What many of these mindless Trump Temple type are insinuating by chastising Cruz and his instruction for voters to vote their moral conscience, is a tacit admission by Trump supporters Mr. Trump not the conscientious choice. Is it not?

    Do these Trump dipsticks have any idea how incriminating their anger is demonstrating that they don’t have the confidence that Donald Trump is revered as a more moral person than Hillary Clinton?

  68. @ El Tigre here are some:
    To oppose taxes with a zealotry of epic proportions BUT still want $$$$ for things you want.
    To praise the Constitution UNTIL such time as it “fails” your views then it needs to be “fixed”.
    To be against any type of taxation for the internet on the grounds it stifles innovation and small business BUT know deep down a mere handful of ultra rich elites benefit and control it.
    Also on the net be against “net neutrality” because it would stifle innovation etc etc but in reality opposing net neutrality only allows the elites to squeeze the little people.
    That last one is a pretty amazing position for a guy that was pretty good at FTC back in the day.
    I’m also having a problem with TPM & run of the mill GOPers total lack of intellectual honesty regards the health care mess.

  69. What many of these mindless Trump Temple type are insinuating by chastising Cruz and his instruction for voters to vote their moral conscience, is a tacit admission by Trump supporters Mr. Trump not the conscientious choice. Is it not?

    Tex I think you’ve got this backward. It’s almost like you think Ted said “vote your conscience” innocently and the delegates attached the meaning. Ted’s implication was clear. A vote for Trump is unconscionable. That’s no delegate insecurity shining through. That’s a straight up understanding of what the Senator was saying.

    I’m not among those condemning Cruz for what he did but let’s not put this on the delegates. HE said it and THEY understood it.

  70. Hope you’ve been well BiC.

    Thanks, but no. My personal life has closely resembled a 4 alarm dumpster fire, but I’ve taken a lot of solace from looking at the primaries for both the major parties, and being able to say “Not my circus, not my monkeys” and “Yeah, things are really, really, really bad, but at least I don’t have to pretend that I think either candidate is good for anyone other than themselves.”

  71. Noah I never said CJ should be silenced. He’s forming his political ideas (in public thanks to modern technology) and he clearly is a very bright articulate young man. But he’s a kid and your devotion seems a bit outsized.

    As for the random attack. Do I really need to condemn that? Are you such an idiot that I need to explicitly condemn thug behavior for you to know I’m against it?

    You called for the DEATH PENALTY for battery you nincompoop. That doesn’t even comply with an eye for an eye. If you said it purely for effect, I do apologize for my reaction, but I took you at your word.

  72. BiC truly sorry to hear that. I second Alfie’s sentiment that things take a positive turn.

    As for the current state of politics, I am now a man without a country. The Dems surrendered whatever moral high ground they might ever have had and the GOP – well one word – Trump.

  73. Tex I think you’ve got this backward. It’s almost like you think Ted said “vote your conscience” innocently and the delegates attached the meaning. Ted’s implication was clear. A vote for Trump is unconscionable.

    That’s Trump talking, Rutherford. That’s what you want to believe you heard said. And as you know, while you not some imbecile of the Left, you’re a well documented Cruz bigot. You are biased and you’re easily duped. Obama is a testament to this.

    If you listen closely, Cruz said two things about the upcoming election: (1) Don’t sit home in November; (2) Let your moral conscience be your guide.

    I don’t care how you dupes what to interpret that or how you wish to spin it. When you assign some dog whistle to Cruz’s advice, you are openly admitting if you are Trump supporter, you don’t have the confidence to believe Donald Trump can pose himself more the moral choice than Hillary Clinton.

    Cruz is incredibly clever. The fact you’re blind to that is no surprise.

  74. Good to read you, BIC. Missed your clever retorts, old friend. Hope you stick around for awhile like Gorilla. Always good to “see” friends. This world is so screwed, gives me comfort to still find a shred of sanity.

  75. Cruz is incredibly clever.

    I actually think it is you who is underestimating his cleverness. He said don’t vote for Trump, without actually saying it, giving enough wiggle room for smart folks like you to give him the bennie of the doubt.

    I’ve never denied Cruz is smart. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t inspire a punch in the nose. 😊

  76. As always Rutherford you misrepresent me but then that is the only way you can actually pretend you respond in any kind of a meaningful way.

    Its not that I am devoted nor am I engaged in discriminating against him because of his age. I’ve heard your show. This 14 year old is far more articulate, possesses a far greater vocabulary and understanding of the political process than you. He forms far more coherent and intelligible arguments and back it up each and every time he is challenged in an equally articulate and with a level of style you could only wish for. Considering your very advanced years I find it hilarious.

    If you are going to comment on something I post, then yes, you should condemn the act. Your like the silent 2/3 of Islam that sits by and says nothing whenever we see terrorist attacks around the world. When cornered you will say that you didn’t actually support them but behind closed doors we are pretty sure you are cheering them on.

    “You called for the DEATH PENALTY for battery you nincompoop. That doesn’t even comply with an eye for an eye. If you said it purely for effect, I do apologize for my reaction, but I took you at your word.”

    When you take a bat to someones head and hit them as hard as he did was attempted murder. Just because he failed like everything else in his life does not mean he should not be held accountable for his intent. This was a random act of violence by an individual who has no place in a civilized society. He is a defective human being. We should not have to wait for him to finally get it right and kill someone.

  77. Sorry but if I understand Trump correctly I agree with his position on NATO. We’re not a charity. If NATO calls for a 2% GDP contribution from each member then that’s what they should invest. Period. I heard today Germany of all places isn’t paying their fair share. Germany’s a major power. No excuse.

  78. Rutherford you are on the right track regard NATO. The USA pays more not only because the Euros suck but because we’re invested in hegemony. The Euros accepted that for security. NATO members have been less than great with us with France being the worst.
    I think Trump is wrong about singling out “victims” of neo-Soviet aggression but then again if you want to be efit from one Article you needs to pony up on the others.
    I found the NR article to be textbook Goldburg whining. He and Lowry must get erections over how much they make Buckley roll.

  79. He said don’t vote for Trump, without actually saying it, giving enough wiggle room for smart folks like you to give him the bennie of the doubt.

    He said nothing of the sort. You assumed he said don’t vote for Trump because that is what you want to hear. Cruz lashed Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in that speech, only mentioning Donald Trump by congratulating him on winning the nomination. Were I an alien, I would have assumed Cruz said don’t vote for Hillary Clinton. As Cruz mentioned today, I will not endorse a man that besmirched both my and my father. But Cruz didn’t endorse Hillary Clinton either. He left the vote entirely up to us.

    Sorry R, but it’s really hard to find fault with a man who told us to stay true to the Constitution and don’t stay home. If you believe that says vote against Donald Trump, it says far more about you than it does Ted Cruz.

  80. Cruz clearly called people out to not vote for Trump. He had good reasons for it though and he relished the opportunity to show his self professed moral superiority.

  81. To be clear Cruz didn’t call for folks to vote against Trump he just keeps making the point he finds him unworthy and folks should perhaps just vote down ticket and then go to Bible study since Hillary is winning anyway.

  82. To paraphrase the great Thomas Sowell,

    I suspect most if not all here would prefer to live in the kind of world conjured up in Rutherford’s imagination rather than in the kind of world Obama has really stuck us with.

  83. “Ivanka is TEARING IT UP!!!! Holy shit! What an intro!”

    Do I need to watch a Youtube later?

    Keep in mind I have yet to watch a single second of this convention.

  84. This song was written when politics was more fun. It was originally recorded for a progressive party candidate.

    When the Boston area transit authority named its electronic card based fare collection system the “Charlie Card” the Kingston Trio and Mitt Romney performed the song,

    We have just returned from Omaha and are watching Trump speak. We are lost, and I am voting for Trump suicide by hanging of bullet.

  85. If people had stayed true to the constitution, we wouldn’t be in this predicament. If those that took oaths to defend it against its real foreign and domestic enemies really meant it, we wouldn’t be in this predicament. Participating in the ritual proves us complacent and compliant.

  86. Yes tonight was the last night. Tonight’s highlight was Ivanka. Read my post to judge what else you might want to watch. If anyone saw a speech I missed that was good, let Huck know.

  87. So sounds like Pence and Trump’s acceptance speeches, Ivanka, and that police chief who tore Don Lemmon a new asshole.

    Any Mia Love this time? I really like her.

  88. Oh for the whole convention – I mussed a lot of it but yeah +Sheriff Clark, +Newt if you like him, but -Pence did nothing for me.

    No Mia Love. Me too.

  89. OK, thank you Muffy. I will give them a listen while grading exams 😀

    Also gonna give Cruz a listen so I can get a chuckle out of his trolling the entire GOP.

  90. Don Jr was good too but Ivanka was very effective and she will appeal to millennials and to women and especially married and/or mothers. Brilliant of her to see and seize the opportunity to engage them as no one else has.

  91. I may be mistaken but I don’t think Mia Love endorsed Trump. I think she boycotted the convention.

    Muffy is dead on regarding Ivanka’s working mother appeal. She gave voice to the 70 cents on the dollar (denied by many conservatives) but she was very specific about where the problem lay (i.e. mothers re-entering the work force).

    I actually felt bad that Donald had to follow her. She accidentally upstaged him.

  92. I am simply not buying the Trump is racist/sexist thing. And while it’s silly to cite a reality show, in the very first year of The Apprentice, one of his board room advisors was a woman.

  93. Ahhhhhhhhh… Life by the teevee is so idealistic. So real, so… lol. So you like the way the media makes you feel about eating a turd sandwich. Glory be. I’ll not perform the rituals and thereby offer my consent to this bastardization of a republic. They are not worthy.

  94. It’s interesting that Muffy dismissed Thiel (unless I misunderstood her punctuation). Thiel may very well represent the future of the Republican Party where social issues (like whom you enjoy fucking) takes a back seat to economics, regulation and foreign policy. He announced he was proud to be gay and the crowd clapped. (He’s also the guy that brought Gawker to its knees.)

    Trump’s hat tip to the lgbt crowd and his praise for the convention’s tolerance was mind blowing.

    So the question is will conservatives be willing to get over the gay thing and focus on our economy and foreign policy?

  95. I added some to my watch list. Junior gave a great speech. He had great flow and timing and was really able to connect with the crowd. He’s very impressive. It was also fun watching Christie tear into Hillary’s record of failure.

  96. So the question is will conservatives be willing to get over the gay thing and focus on our economy and foreign policy?

    Shouldn’t that question have been and still should be address to your failed messiah, who flunked both policies in absymal fashion after promising the moon? Damn Rutherford, your idiocy and hypocrisy is self-incriminating on an hourly basis. Obama’s completely given up on anything important and now hell bent on importing more savages and making sure his bed Gorilla can pee in the men’s restroom freely.

    I have a serious question. Are you so fucked up and downcast, you have no sense of shame? I mean, “dude,” eight short years ago you were crowing about Whigs. Now you’re relegated to hatin’ Hillary, never making mention the Magic Negro has been President for many insufferable years.

    What an utter POS Barack Obama has proven to be – the “post racial President.”

  97. I think both parties have suffered tremendous self-inflicted damage over the last several months, including before the primary season.

    We could (and I really stress the word “could”, rather than “will”) see some interesting happenings over the next decade or two of American politics.

  98. Tex I’m not getting you. Why the Obama lecture? I’m saying now is the time for the GOP to focus on how they DEPART from Obama on economics and foreign policy and give up the gay obsession. How did you translate that to a defense of Obama economics and foreign policy?

  99. I think the only folks here that actually have a vote this year are ET and James. The IL contingent come in a hot second. Everyone else can stay home and experience the inevitable.

  100. Huck, I think you under state. Our last decade has been interesting, and I am certain our next two will give us more of the same.

    I disgust myself. Not long ago, I would have regarded Trump as a curiosity. However, as I watched part of his speech I agreed with most of it.

    I think as Micheal Moore said that Trump might win. That would confirm Huck’s prediction of possible interesting times. If Donald wins and cannot deliver, or if Hillary wins and keeps her promises, interesting will be an understatement.

    It may be that ET’s and my votes will be the only ones which count. That is also sad.

  101. Theil was in my do-watch list, the “skip” was for the bald guy that followed him cos I didnt see his speech.

    Gay obsession 😆 Get over your gay obsession, Tigre.

    Trump handled the uncomfortable “lock her up” chant very well.

  102. The late Kingston Trio lead singer, Nick Reynolds observed that the band were friends with comsymps like the Weavers with Pete Seeger, and shared many of their belief’s. They knew the political mood of the time and they also wanted a career.

    The trio stayed politically neutral and even changed the name of the candidate in MTA. Our two major political parties are playing the same game.

    Their leaders perch in their country club venues and repress the true feelings of a majority of their membership. The Kingston Trio never revealed their true political ideology, but thanks to Sanders and Trump, our two parties are exposed for all to see.

  103. Newsbusters reported that reporter John Harwood said Trump’s citing Sarah Root as the victim of an auto accident, was false emotional manipulation. An illegal alien was drunk and street racing when his car hit and killed Sarah Root. His brother, also an illegal posted bail, and the miscreant disappeared. Immigration authorities had been lenient to the man earlier. Root was from Council Bluffs, so her case has been in the news here.

    My vote will count because western Iowa politically resembles plains states to the west. The East is liberal.

  104. Isn’t John Harwood that growling buffoon that got ripped as hack in the very first debate and busted for lying, even by the Lefty press? These goons from the predictable Dem byline media all run together for me anymore.

  105. I don’t remember the suggestion that votes in the saturated red & blue states didnt count in years past.

  106. Now I’ve vacillated to not even bothering to vote this year…and I mean that straight up.

    I know I shouldn’t say this, but this country’s entire political system and superficiality disgusts me anymore. I’m not ready to be gone yet for my sweet grandbaby, who I would like to see grow up. But watching a once great nation I grew up in become so weak, so decadent, so failed, so broken, and so amoral sickens me. It actually hurts me. I am old enough now to know I am witnessing a nation in very steep decline.

    Anybody that doesn’t understand that, doesn’t understand it because they are part of the problem and doesn’t have the capability to recognize it – blind, deaf and dumb.

    And I don’t blame it on the politicians who are simply symptomatic of the underlying problem. I blame it on the people.

  107. I was playing with the logic presented here. I believe every vote counts even in ideologically overwhelming areas. It may be a hopeless vote, but one should go down fighting.

    I have similar thoughts for our grand daughter, Tex.

  108. I agree we should go down fighting James. Im interested in understanding the issue from the others’ perspectives. Just to clarify.

  109. Iowa rep Steve King got into trouble when he said the sub group of people who have contributed the most to this country and to western civilization is white. He said western civilization (composed of all races) is superior to the others.

    We have discussed it here. Steve King is not racist. He is right.

    He should have also said this same white race is responsible for a disproportional number of war-caused deaths including the jihadi wars.

    Omaha media are still bragging about black- white relations after the police shootings and murders of police officers. They say Omaha needs to be a model for the rest of the country as some said about our reaction to the big flood. “We are superior to the rest of you,” they say.

    That people, even our governor can accuse King of racism for speaking the truth supports Tex’s portrayal of our cultural degeneracy. Our ideological inferiors, mostly whites, are destroying the country.

  110. As for this gay obsession, this is just the radical lefts propaganda M.O. If they don’t want us talking about it, they take it 3 bridges too far even though they are the ones putting it in our face. We don’t want laws that violate the 2nd amendment, so we are gun nuts. Rutherford’s ilk want access to the little girls room, we try and stop them, so we are obsessed with transgenders. ”’They”’ attack us on marriage and try and change it so we are bigoted and obsessed with gays because we opposed this change. This is nothing more than trying to shut down the conversation so they can shove more failures like ACA down our throat that is collapsing in one state after another and being illegally funded by our tax dollars.

  111. “Rutherford’s ilk want access to the little girls room, we try and stop them, so we are obsessed with transgenders. “

    PU.

  112. “And I don’t blame it on the politicians who are simply symptomatic of the underlying problem. I blame it on the people.”

    Entitlements, turning everyone against each other, the apology tour(s), common core. Cops shot every day now, over 2000 dead in Chicago, 22 of them children under 13 and it doesn’t even make the national news because their lives don’t push the agenda forward so they do not matter. This is by design.

  113. To oppose taxes with a zealotry of epic proportions BUT still want $$$$ for things you want.

    Ahhhhh, that’s called prioritization. Nothing wrong with wanting to cut taxes and still spend national treasure appropriately.

    To praise the Constitution UNTIL such time as it “fails” your views then it needs to be “fixed”.

    ??? When has Cruz said the Constitution needs to be fixed?

    To be against any type of taxation for the internet on the grounds it stifles innovation and small business BUT know deep down a mere handful of ultra rich elites benefit and control it.

    ? OK Bernie…

    Also on the net be against “net neutrality” because it would stifle innovation etc etc but in reality opposing net neutrality only allows the elites to squeeze the little people.

    OR maybe not be interested in seeing censorship on the internet. You cannot for an instant claim that the internet squeezes the little guy as there are far, far more rags-to-riches stories from internet entrepreneurs than any other medium. And net neutrality doesn’t fix that anyway…

    I’m also having a problem with TPM & run of the mill GOPers total lack of intellectual honesty regards the health care mess.

    Oh? Pray tell, because last I checked, Obamacare was a dumpster fire within a dumpster fire. Costs are going up, to include premiums, more are uninsured–rather than less–and businesses are loosing their shirts.

    Did you fall and hit your head?

  114. Cruz did not tell anyone to not vote for Trump. Trump is a complete ass, and his treatment of Cruz was reprehensible, so it should be a surprise to no one that Cruz wasn’t going to endorse him personally, but he did endorse the party and encouraged everyone to vote for the party.

    And to stand there and give that speech, which Trump had ahead of time, while Trump folks were going through the convention floor stirring up boos was pretty impressive. Cruz has been the only candidate in this entire election cycle to stand on principled beliefs. Yes, the only one. Bernie’s a fraud and his endorsement of Clinton only proved as much.

    And I second ET’s question about Conservatism’s failures. WTF are you talking about….

  115. I’ve struggled more this time, Muffy. Much more. But perhaps not for the reasons you might think.

    I’ve made my feelings about Trump pretty well known, though I had to admit I find him an interesting character. Yes, Trump is better than Hillary. Besides Barack Obama, the Black Caucus, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi, who isn’t?

    The entire Democrat Party Leadership is a dysfunctional joke; a virtual cadre of America’s biggest losers and fools, and that includes the mindless drones that follow which we read here on a daily basis. Every dysfunctional group imaginable falls within the stench of that Gehenna. I am totally convinced Sodom and Gomorrah were more admirable than today’s Democrat Party.

    This is the honest truth. Barack Obama has actually been far worse than I dreamed he could be. He may not be the demon from hell that I first pictured, though I now know him to be petty and vindictive. Barack Obama is not clever enough to be a demon. But Barack Obama is far more immoral and stupid than I thought possible. The man is a disgrace; he’s a boob; a teleprompted lightweight with a gift of delivery. Barack Obama doesn’t understand a damn thing but the NBA and how to manipulate a mob. He’s a joke and the entire world knows it. Barack Obama is more fitting stoking a #BlackLiesMatter movement.

    Hillary is smarter than Barack, but so is 60% of America. She’s a nastier version of Barack.

    Here’s the struggle. I cared more in 2008. McCain was a dunce. Trump may indeed be better than McCain as a politician – not a man. The vote in 2008 was easy because Barack Obama and his cabal of what have clearly now been demonstrated stooges, sent chills up my spine. When I watched people mesmerized by what was obviously evil and deceit and these poor loons believed this sham had messianic like qualities, I knew the nation was in danger.

    Guess what? I’m seeing a touch of that again. And it obvious as each day goes by, America gets more blinded to the truth.

  116. Peter Thiel has been on my radar for years as he attends bilderberg and is actually on their steering committee. Supposedly he swings libertarian. He does pr work for the elite group in some of the interviews I have seen with him and many claim he represents a reasonable voice.

    It’s all about the next generation for me. Equipping them with knowledge and know how, most of which we had to learn on our own. I always talk to them and not at them. I try to provide them insight that will translate to real power in an ability to discern real from fantasy. It delights me when my 13 year old grandson pulls up a video on youtube to show me how the government is proved to be propagandizing us through the teevee. He thinks he is showing me new stuff, but I have previously seen it I let him go through it with me like I am seeing it for the first time. lol. It is very encouraging. Train a child…

    I believe in fighting the good fight. Maybe it’s a form of jihad – a western interpretation. Any vote cast in the general DOES COUNT to validate this beast system. One person’s actual vote holds little, if any, power today. This isn’t a democracy and history has proved the selecteds are not required to follow the same rules nor obey the same laws as the common folk. We have installed tiers to society where money and influence rule. This isn’t in anyway compatible with justice or fairness or equality, principles we claim to uphold. There is no honor in serving this beast. It needs to be off the life support we provide it.

    People would burn draft cards in protest of war. Maybe we could all burn our voter registration cards. A mass movement to unregister voters would make a greater political impact than simply holding one’s nose and participating in the ritual. The ‘I voted” sticker means I support the beast. I’m with Ted here – follow your own conscience. We are each responsible for our own actions and inaction.

  117. “It’s all about the next generation for me. Equipping them with knowledge and know how, most of which we had to learn on our own.”

    91% of the kids who go through my program (program is for kids up to 21) from 12-21 have never prepared a meal for themselves (microwave meals do not count, actual cooking.) A like percentage does not know how to make an omelet. 96% have never made a camp fire. 100% (in 8 years) have no idea how to make a reasonable (keep them dry in the raid and withstand a storm) shelter.

    This is the least informed generation. They will be the first to go when the shtf.

  118. This is a good day to be sitting in a doctor’s office waiting room.

    Thanks Tex. I’m hanging on every word.

  119. “Rutherford’s ilk want access to the little girls room, we try and stop them, so we are obsessed with transgenders. “

    I started to reply to this before but my stop came up (bus).

    I think it stinks to suggest that “Rutherford’s ilk wants access to the little girl’s room.” Their motives are clearly understood by some of us and their motives are not the issue. The results are. The slippery slope.

  120. That was funny, Lurker, not original, but funny, especially in the context of other posts. I am amused because I am better than you.

  121. I actually broke my promise and watched some of Trumps speech. His posture and body mechanics honestly made me think of Mussolini. Il Duce had a thing about his top and held his chin a certain way. It was an uncomfortable viewing for me.

  122. “Newt’s speech was so good he could have been up there in Bermuda shorts and a white T and pulled it off.”

    I didn’t care for Newt’s fear mongering.

    I’ve said this here before and I still believe it. Our biggest enemy is ourselves. Americans are doing more damage to America than any terrorist could ever dream of.

    That’s what this election should be about, and every word spoken by the GOP should support that point.

  123. I Disagree totally Muffy. Not 2 weeks after the gay marriage issue came to a head, 3 different groups started pushing to make pedophilia a sexual orientation. The left works in baby steps..they get their little toe in the door, then their foot, next thing you know they are squatting in your house taking up one of your bedrooms.

  124. “I actually broke my promise and watched some of Trumps speech. His posture and body mechanics honestly made me think of Mussolini. Il Duce had a thing about his top and held his chin a certain way. It was an uncomfortable viewing for me.”

    I have the same thought in every Obama speech.

  125. I could not possibly disagree more, seriously Huck. While I will not disagree that Democrats ideology is a significant threat to our way of life as they dismantle what made us who we are, Radical Islam is what is going to cause world war III. This will be the bloodiest war with the most civilian casualties because they are fighting a gorilla war and we have allowed them to set up shop inside our civilian populations around the world and they have the dedication if a kamikaze. Newt is looking 15–20 years down the road when the US looks like France. I guarantee you our problems with Islam will be thee defining issue for the world in the 21st century.

    Its March of 1935 and we have decisions to make that will determine the fate of millions of lives.

  126. “While I will not disagree that Democrats ideology is a significant threat to our way of life as they dismantle what made us who we are”

    It’s not just Democrats

  127. 91% of the kids who go through my program (program is for kids up to 21) from 12-21 have never prepared a meal for themselves (microwave meals do not count, actual cooking.) A like percentage does not know how to make an omelet. 96% have never made a camp fire. 100% (in 8 years) have no idea how to make a reasonable (keep them dry in the raid and withstand a storm) shelter.

    I fully support knowing practical skills but surely Noah you can acknowledge the deficits you mention above derive from living in the 21st century. I don’t view this as some blemish on society. I view it as technology supplanting rudimentary methods of survival. I do agree with you that if everything does indeed turn to shit, a LOT of Americans of all ages are in big trouble.

  128. OK what did I miss here? Lurker compares Trump to Hitler and gets boo’d. Alfie compares him to Mussolini and does not get boo’d.

    Damn, this place reminds me of junior high school sometimes.

  129. Il Duce had a thing about his top and held his chin a certain way.

    Yeah, Barry the Blessed, aka Lord Zero does that a lot, and I’ve remarked on it several times over the last 8 years.

    Trump is a human dumpster fire. His ground game and campaign organization is virtually non-existent, and his people insist they can get him to the Big Chair without the help of conservatives…a fact I will remind them of endlessly when they blame me for his failure in November…hell, I remind them NOW, when they constantly play the “Not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary!!!11!!Eleventy!!!” card.

    The nicest thing I can say about Trump is I like the way that he speaks his mind with total disregard about what the media and the Left (but I repeat myself) will say about it or how they will spin it. The flip side of that coin is that his mind is so disordered that he makes a 6th grade drop out ADHD addled meth head look like a Rhodes Scholar with laserlike focus.

    Given how badly his campaign is being run, I feel fairly certain that we’ll get the unindicted felon in November, and miss out on the fabulousness of Trump replacing the carpet in the Oval Office with gold lame’ and him sending the Resolute Desk out to be chromed. I could almost believe that he is actually a Democratic Plant, as they couldn’t have done a better job hobbling the party and dividing its rank and file, as well as those who would be otherwise inclined to vote for their candidates.

    I’ve heard lots of speculation about Hillary appointing Barry to the SCOTUS. This would be extraordinary, as I think he’d be the first in a long time, if ever, to be appointed to the Court without a license to practice in any jurisdiction. That said, I don’t see him wanting it, because he’d have to be an “equal” with others whom he’s already indicated he has contempt for, and because even with clerks doing as much as they do, it would be too much work, and really cut into his golf game. That isn’t to say that she can’t or won’t come up with someone equally destructive, but I don’t see him accepting the job to begin with.

  130. Not 2 weeks after the gay marriage issue came to a head, 3 different groups started pushing to make pedophilia a sexual orientation.

    Assuming this is even true, do these 3 different groups have ANY influence whatsoever? Was the ACLU one of them? I doubt it. Was the SPLC one of them? I doubt it. Was MoveOn.org one of them? I doubt it. Was any group that anyone has even heard of advocating for normalization of pedophilia. I DOUBT IT.

    NAMBLA has been championing pedophilia for decades and they have gotten no where. Noah, the reason you are not an asset to conservatism is you are not a rational player. Yes, I know you think you are as logical as Spock. I assure you. You’re not.

  131. Fear is the real enemy. Pogo said ‘we have met the enemy and he is us.” Radical fears about religious terrorism are more dangerous than any religious radical. Fear actually sets that crazy man at your table dining on the feast you set before him with you waiting on him hand and foot.

  132. She probably didn’t intend to plagiarize that line.

    It’s doubtful Lurker smart enough to know what “plagiarized” means. For the dimwitted like Lurker, try cut and paste with grammatical errors thrown in for effect.

  133. “OK what did I miss here? Lurker compares Trump to Hitler and gets boo’d. Alfie compares him to Mussolini and does not get boo’d.

    Damn, this place reminds me of junior high school sometimes.”

    Huh?

    “That was funny, Lurker, not original, but funny, especially in the context of other posts. I am amused because I am better than you.” – James

    “Notice the complete lack of original thought by someone that used to call us “echo chambers” -Huck

  134. Damn BIC, now I remember why I missed you so. I’ve basically been parroting those same lines for six months, without the gift of your panache. 🙂

  135. This would be extraordinary, as I think he’d be the first in a long time, if ever, to be appointed to the Court without a license to practice in any jurisdiction.

    From just my Wiki research, I can’t support your conclusion. Taft chose not to practice law post-Presidency for fear of conflict of interest arising in cases brought before federal judges (some of whom he had appointed). So he went to teach at Yale. I’m under the impression that licenses to practice expire so I cannot determine if Taft had a valid license when appointed Chief Justice.

    Obama’s license to practice expired in 2007 according to Wiki. No one in his right mind would turn down an appointment to the Supreme Court. If the Senate remains GOP, he could not get confirmed. That is a different story.

  136. I don’t know about you guys and gal, but I’m always glad when Rutherford’s apprentice, “Lurker,” returns. It least it gives a new waft of chit smell from the left wall of the bar.

    I think if the imbeciles like Lurker weren’t so historically inept, a better analogy than Hitler for Trump would be Josef Stalin for Trump. The Hitler analogy is too Jewish and I can’t see Trump sending his favorite daughter to the ovens anytime in the near future.

  137. German mall just got shot up. Don’t know yet if it’s terrorism. If so, damn ISIL is really stepping things up. If this keeps up through the summer and fall, you can bet your last dollar on a President Trump.

  138. The Hitler analogy is too Jewish and I can’t see Trump sending his favorite daughter to the ovens anytime in the near future.

    I may be mis-perceiving but I’m finding a STRONG resistance to Trump from Jews in particular. The TrumpCast (a podcast) that destroys him in every episode is hosted by a Jew. I am pretty sure the ghost writer, Schwartz, of “The Art of the Deal” who has come out strongly against Trump is Jewish.

    Jews are not buying the “daughter is a convert” argument. In fact, as you probably know, one of Trump’s recent tweets was labeled anti-Semitic recently.

  139. Hey Lurker? I got a exam question for you. And far be it from me to defend the Donald, as the rest of the room will attest.

    Which party do you believe more typifies the following characteristics:

    Controls business and labor and views political violence as a means to achieve national rejuvenation

  140. Good grief, Rutherford. I’m not talking about what Jews think of Donald Trump. I’m talking about what Donald Trump thinks of Jews, dimwit.

    In your mind’s storage space, God must have switched the locations of the 0 and 1 in each neuron of your titanium skull.

    It’s like your pre-programmed to get everything backwards.

  141. Rutherford, I know you don’t understand how this works, so I’ll give you the short version.

    A license to practice does not “expire”. It can be suspended, taken, or surrendered.

    The first two happen most often by disciplinary action by licensing authorities, which vary from state-to-state (when I investigated Barry and Michelle back when he criticized the Court in the SOTU, I was surprised, at least momentarily, to learn that the Illinois State Bar Association doesn’t do attorney licensing and discipline, it is a separate body there). The second most common would be failure to keep up on continuing education requirements…here in Washington, I am expected to get 15 credits a year and report every three years. As it happens, some practitioners get behind in their accrual, or in arguments over qualification of certain events, and get temporarily suspended.

    Voluntary surrender happens because the practitioner recognizes that they may have a mental condition that will no longer permit them to practice (dementia) or, as was the case with Barry and his wife, you surrender in lieu of having it taken from you in disciplinary proceedings. You simply go through too much blood, sweat, tears, and yes, marriages at times getting the ticket to voluntarily surrender it for any other reason.

    Without careful research myself, I couldn’t tell you when licensing became a universal concept in this country, but I suspect it became common practice sometime around the turn of the last century, with the last appointees without an actual license probably in the 30s or 40s.

  142. My big problem with Trump’s speech is the same problem I have with most presidential candidate speeches–he is making promises that are not within his power to deliver.

  143. My big problem with Trump’s speech is the same problem I have with most presidential candidate speeches–he is making promises that are not within his power to deliver.<<<<

    Me: Bingo.

    Average Branch Trumpidian: Sure he can. It’s all in Article XII of the Constitution!!!Eleventy111!!!

  144. My biggest problem with Trump’s speech is that I don’t think he realizes he’s making promises that aren’t within his power to deliver and Donald believes they are. 😉

  145. “After the crowd cheered, Trump said he was happy the crowd reacted that way. Holy crap! A conservative crowd shows tolerance, hell, even heartfelt concern for gays and the nominee encourages it!”

    Intolerance is not a conservative trait. The crowd reaction was what it was because a Republican voice was representing the diversity of thought within the party. It doesn’t happen often enough in the Republican party and it’s refreshing. It never happens in the Democrat party because there is no diversity of thought.

  146. Rutherford, a writer predicted the same outcome as you. He said the Republican convention was antithical to modern conventions with acrimony and disunity instead of a united front. This may resonate better than traditional conventions. He said Trump is basing his campaign on the awful events of the last two months. If such trends continue, he has a good chance to win.

    The Munich shooter was a young immigrant according to one report. He was inspired by but had no real tie to ISIS. The trend continues.

    Trump cannot deliver what he promises. There will be hell to pay if he wins.

  147. A second shooting in Munich.

    Disappointment with Obama helped support the Sanders bubble. Obama began as a mystical light master bringing hope and change.

    Trump gains fuel from already angry people. You could be right, but I think Trump voters will be more angry, and they will vote for anyone or no one.

  148. “In your mind’s storage space, God must have switched the locations of the 0 and 1 in each neuron of your titanium skull.”

  149. “In your mind’s storage space, God must have switched the locations of the 0 and 1 in each neuron of your titanium skull.”

    LOL. No shit.

  150. Intolerance is not a conservative trait.

    Yes and no. Each side is intolerant of different things. Conservatives are definitely intolerant of perceived attacks on their traditional values.

    Liberals are, incredibly, intolerant of a free exchange of ideas.

  151. Rutherford two in the bar are on me for comments I’ve made in this thread so I don’t know how sound it is to condemn anyone’s fairness.

  152. @ Gorilla:
    Ahhhhh, that’s called prioritization. Nothing wrong with wanting to cut taxes and still spend national treasure appropriately.
    And I could buy into that lie if the same folks doing the cutting didn’t want so damn much stuff. Bottom line is if you want to spend money you need to have it and when you don’t have it,choose not to spend it (sequestration) just please please please don’t cry to me about stuff like the USN carrier force struggling to stay deployed.

    ? OK Bernie…
    So because I think the People via government should get tax revenue from those that destroy brick and mortar entities that used to pay taxes I’m Bernie?

    OR maybe not be interested in seeing censorship on the internet. You cannot for an instant claim that the internet squeezes the little guy as there are far, far more rags-to-riches stories from internet entrepreneurs than any other medium. And net neutrality doesn’t fix that anyway…

    Net neutrality absolutely protects the small e commerce entrepreneur and consumer as well as protect the freakish exchange of ideas and speech. I will laugh my ass off when the free market wing nuts have to explain why they need to pay premium prices to access web services or be outright denied them.
    To allow a handful of entities to control the net under a gentlemen agreement of sorts will only perpetuate the greedy costumer screw job we find with the airlines.

    Oh? Pray tell, because last I checked, Obamacare was a dumpster fire within a dumpster fire. Costs are going up, to include premiums, more are uninsured–rather than less–and businesses are loosing their shirts.
    I readily concede the ACA has had a big hand in causing some of the horrors of the healthcare industry but it is unfair and dishonest to proclaim it is the only source. Again the fallacy of free trade and private sector yumminess is a fucking joke. The ACA was just the latest in a long line of bipartisan policies that green lighted the greedy shit bags to set the fuck you dial to 11.
    A great example is how both red and blue states are finally taking a stand against the very capitalistic act of insurance company mergers. Does anyone think that the five national insurers are so pressed they need to morph into three? Or if it happens somehow healthcare is going to be better off ? I also find it hilariously ironic that one of the entities against the mergers is none other than the American Hospital Association. They speak loud and clear that these mergers are bad for the consumer. They won’t comment on their actions of consolidating hospitals and getting government to hamstring start-ups and specialty centers that offer truly affordable competitive choice.

    Did you fall and hit your head?
    No and hopefully more folks will come around that some of the right side promises and assurances are just as fucked up and evil as those from the left.

  153. Since our presidential candidates have already commenting on that shooting in Germany, I hold serious doubt it is a real or random event Likely it is just another government planned event, like that last ordeal in Nice. Now they are calling for the CCTV footage to be destroyed. I guess after so many people were demanding to see the images from the cameras that are right there in plain view to confirm such an impossible narrative and unbelievable blurred imagery. The reason given for not wanting to release any images but rather destroy them is so isis doesn’t get them and use them for recruiting and training. No shit. 😆 😆 You can’t make this shit up. It is sillier than ‘they hate us for our freedom’ or’ keep shopping so the terrorists don’t win’. Add that to the fact that the supposed terrorist showed up alive the next day on media with a video link proving himself no where near Nice. He was calling them out and scared for his safety. It really shows that one was very poorly planned. I’m sure someone lost their job on that one. I thought the slaughtered pig in road and the obvious dummies would give it away, especially the one dressed in a black bra missing its head with no blood anywhere near it. 🙂

    There is a cell phone video by someone with a slavic sounding accent filming some very clear images of the dummies laid out.

  154. @ Muffy as much as I sssssooooooo don’t want a President HRC I can’t help Trump beat her. Fortunately the voting machines in MA are set to give Hill a +1 no matter what so I’m homebound with a clear if albeit sad conscience.

  155. The “next” war may very well be against Islam in some way shape or form but it won’t be WWIII and it may well produce some very odd bedfellows.
    WWIII,and I am an ardent advocate for it, will be against China.

  156. And I could buy into that lie if the same folks doing the cutting didn’t want so damn much stuff. Bottom line is if you want to spend money you need to have it and when you don’t have it,choose not to spend it (sequestration) just please please please don’t cry to me about stuff like the USN carrier force struggling to stay deployed.

    The key to what Gorilla said is “Appropriate”. FedGov spends a metric shit ton of money on activities and items it has NO business or authority to spend it on. That carrier force? It actually falls directly in to what we specifically authorized it to manage. Funding for primary education? Not so much.

    The ACA was just the latest in a long line of bipartisan policies that green lighted the greedy shit bags to set the fuck you dial to 11.<<<

    Remind me again which Republicans voted FOR Obamacare?

  157. The bigger point is: What Republicans,conservative or otherwise have proposed and brought to the House and or Senate anything that would replace ACA,and keep the “capitalism” stuff from happening?

    As for spending, in a drawn out discussion we’d probably find multiple points where we’re in total agreement.

  158. The bigger point is: What Republicans,conservative or otherwise have proposed and brought to the House and or Senate anything that would replace ACA,and keep the “capitalism” stuff from happening?

    As I recall, several proposals have been put forward, although most of the ones I’m aware of wouldn’t get my support, as “Health Care” (notice I didn’t say “Health Insurance”) is NONE of the Federal Government’s business, and it shouldn’t require a MENSA IQ to understand that the minute you make it the government’s business, you open the door to corruption and fraud, as well as provide the government with a means of control over the minutae of the citizen’s daily life that it was never meant to have, and cannot be trusted with.

  159. Ahhhhh, that’s called prioritization.

    Nothing wrong with wanting to cut taxes and still spend national treasure appropriately.
    And I could buy into that lie if the same folks doing the cutting didn’t want so damn much stuff. Bottom line is if you want to spend money you need to have it and when you don’t have it,choose not to spend it (sequestration) just please please please don’t cry to me about stuff like the USN carrier force struggling to stay deployed.

    Do we really need to spend money on the clothing and footwear choices of lesbians? That’s not a joke, we spend money on incredibly stupid shit like that all the time. It is not necessary or appropriate for US taxpayer dollars to get wasted like that. Manning and equipping a military is a specific fucking task in the Constitution–if the is not getting funding you should be bawling your ass off…

    ? OK Bernie…

    So because I think the People via government should get tax revenue from those that destroy brick and mortar entities that used to pay taxes I’m Bernie?

    Via or versus? I’m guessing this is a subsidy comment, and we probably agree to a degree that subsidies should be reserved for those that don’t earn billions in profits. Your comment, however, is more absolutist, and that’s the territory of those more focused on ideology than ideas.

    OR maybe not be interested in seeing censorship on the internet. You cannot for an instant claim that the internet squeezes the little guy as there are far, far more rags-to-riches stories from internet entrepreneurs than any other medium. And net neutrality doesn’t fix that anyway…

    Net neutrality absolutely protects the small e commerce entrepreneur and consumer as well as protect the freakish exchange of ideas and speech. I will laugh my ass off when the free market wing nuts have to explain why they need to pay premium prices to access web services or be outright denied them.
    To allow a handful of entities to control the net under a gentlemen agreement of sorts will only perpetuate the greedy costumer screw job we find with the airlines.

    And we already have laws and regulations on monopolies, why do we need new ones? Less government, not more. And to be frank, after 8 years of the Dictator in Chief violating any law he wants, ordering any action he feels like, I’m not inclined to give the government more power or authority on anything else. And I generally think you’re wrong anyway on the scope, scale, and uses of net neutrality by the government.

    Oh? Pray tell, because last I checked, Obamacare was a dumpster fire within a dumpster fire. Costs are going up, to include premiums, more are uninsured–rather than less–and businesses are loosing their shirts.

    I readily concede the ACA has had a big hand in causing some of the horrors of the healthcare industry but it is unfair and dishonest to proclaim it is the only source. Again the fallacy of free trade and private sector yumminess is a fucking joke. The ACA was just the latest in a long line of bipartisan policies that green lighted the greedy shit bags to set the fuck you dial to 11.

    A great example is how both red and blue states are finally taking a stand against the very capitalistic act of insurance company mergers. Does anyone think that the five national insurers are so pressed they need to morph into three? Or if it happens somehow healthcare is going to be better off ? I also find it hilariously ironic that one of the entities against the mergers is none other than the American Hospital Association. They speak loud and clear that these mergers are bad for the consumer. They won’t comment on their actions of consolidating hospitals and getting government to hamstring start-ups and specialty centers that offer truly affordable competitive choice.

    Everyone has been saying that there have been issues for years, but your conflation that this is a bipartisan thing is insane. Period. You want to help healthcare, go back and read your subsidy comment, and then maybe think about the more gov vs. less gov comment, because red tape sure as shit ain’t helping.

    Did you fall and hit your head?

    No and hopefully more folks will come around that some of the right side promises and assurances are just as fucked up and evil as those from the left.

    When have they been actuated? If you’re gonna throw stones, have something to throw at.

  160. Not a subsidy comment. Amazon deserves to be taxed…period!

    I like the idea of killing funding for a lot of things. I am bawling my ass off about USN readiness.

    I’m kind of convinced you’re one of the folks that will need to feel the end of Verizon,Comcast etc benevolence program to fully appreciate net neutrality. It’ll be too late then and I won’t enjoy saying “I told you so” but there it is.

    Not bipartisan? It was primarily the GOP that expanded Medicare,it was bipartisan to allow for “facility charges” in Medicare billing which then was enacted on the private insurers. The way I’d help healthcare would be to love the clinicians and kill the insurers and business managers.
    I think my stones have hit plenty of targets.

  161. @ BIC : I’ll promise you this….as soon as Ted Cruz and the House Freedom Caucus go on the record that they are going to eliminate Medicare &/or Social Security I will #StandWithTed in whatever constituency he chooses to give that speech. It’ll be fun.
    Until then I’ll just muddle through the post Federalist Paper real world.

  162. China participated in RIMPAC 2016 I don’t think exercises make for guaranteed allies either way.
    In fairness to you & others let me clearer what I think starts WWIII with China . Its all about freedom of navigation and resources.
    As long as Russia has Putinistas I think they’ll be opportunists. If China starts the war Russia will look West. I think the Russians,Iranians and assorted Silk Road nations would make their decisions based on whether they’ve gotten what they want and whether some of the SR neighbors overtly side with the West. There is where it gets interesting. If India sides with he USA does Pakistan reflexively side with China out of hatred for the Kashmir stuff and to pay back the new port facilities in Gwadar????

  163. Sometimes I actually think you’re right. I suck at 50/50 propositions.

    You suck at binary logic too. In your case, its 0/100 propositions. 😛

  164. In between somehow managing to flip a piece of peanut butter and honey toast with my left elbow onto my keyboard this morning, my mother’s ongoing technical prowess was on full display again by receiving for the third time, an invite from my Dear Mother to be “friends” on Facebook.

    My mother was my “first friend” on Facebook. ** Guffaw ** 😆 😆 😆 I truly love my mom. And she’s wonderfully witty. But like my father, my best laughs always reserved not with her, but about her.

    Kind of helped lighten the mood as I had to get a damned flat head screwdriver to start popping keys off.

  165. I’ll promise you this….as soon as Ted Cruz and the House Freedom Caucus go on the record that they are going to eliminate Medicare &/or Social Security

    My brotha!

    Seriously though, the only way that gets sold is :

    (a) It becomes so obvious that even Helen Keller could see that the government no longer has the money to buy dependency; or

    (b) We agree to a cut off…say 55, and say if you’re older, you’ll get it, if you’re younger, you’re on your own, but rather than contribute to the pyramid, a portion of your income tax will be repurposed from funding EBT cards, and studies of lesbian dating and drinking patterns to making the payments to themwhats older than 55.

  166. In another fuck you to progressives Hillary chose Tim Kaine. Zero incentive for Bernie devotees.

    Feeling the Bern yet, “R?” Hey, Donald gave you an open invite. The “system is rigged.” Code for you guys are dumb as hell that followed Bernie, but I got a great way to get even. 😈

  167. @ BIC you hit the nail square on the head regards my political frustrations. Too many of the voters want the drug and too many of the pols are more than willing to push it. I honestly don’t know how or who can be the needed intervention.

  168. @ Rutherford I seriously believe the players of WWIII are built around USA vs China and therefore believe we need to rethink our military posture so as to be able to meet that threat. Ultimately since I believe in an inevitability of an event I support preparations to achieve a desired outcome.
    To that end I believe in the Pacific Pivot and TPP. I believe mega carriers are foolish and that the Ford class is a bad idea. I know the USA is behind in the field of non-nuclear ballistic missiles. I believe the USA is not comfortable with accepting decline and that the West has a definite edge still regards the outlook of “freedom”.

    I believe China has built into its national psyche and their overall economy the components that make confrontation inevitable. I’ve said it before we initiated the Pacific Pivot and China went with the New Silk Roads,I & II. This is some of their highest order international engagement. They are also in the pursuit of sustained economic growth overtly flirting with challenging the Monroe Doctrine. They must grow to survive and like two trees in a crowded forest one will strive to thrive.

    Do I desire an irradiated wasteland? No, but I’ve no reason to believe its not on the horizon.

  169. Poolman at risk of more spears and arrows from the crowd here, I will tell you one thing that bothers me.

    German officials asked citizens NOT to post any incident related material (e.g. streaming video) to the Internet. Their rationale was to not tip off the perp as to police activities.

    I find the reasoning plausible but nevertheless concerning. This could potentially lead to suppression of information the government does not want released.

    Just sayin’.

  170. Poolman? If humans can’t survive intense radiation, how did we build a nuclear bomb to begin with?

    Or is that a hoax too? 🙂

    That Buzz Aldrin right cross was a thing of beauty.

  171. Tex, we did it in spite of the harm to humans and environment. That is how we did EVERYTHING back then. Before OSHA. Safety measures were developed after decades of public outcry. Over 100 died while constructing the Hoover dam. Do you think that would float today? So yes, people were effected by the radiation. It just took a long time for the government to get around to admitting to and owning up to it.

    “The Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program (EEOICP) began on 31 July 2001. The program provides compensation and health benefits to Department of Energy nuclear weapons workers (employees, former employees, contractors and subcontractors) as well as compensation to certain survivors if the worker is already deceased.[37] By 14 August 2010, the program had already identified 45,799 civilians who lost their health (including 18,942 who developed cancer) due to exposure to radiation and toxic substances while producing nuclear weapons for the United States.[38]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_States

    German officials asked citizens NOT to post any incident related material (e.g. streaming video) to the Internet. Their rationale was to not tip off the perp as to police activities.

    They always state that bullshit anymore. They fear their cover will be blown as it has been in recent events. ‘Security reasons’ or ‘national security’ is common lingo for CYA because the government IS ‘assholes and elbows deep’ into all this terrorism.

    Apparently they want us to believe this new wave of terrorists are so adept at multitasking and like to keep checking and updating social media while they are blowing people away. Sort of a high tech rambo or a terminator type. Often these events happen in an area with plenty of CCTV coverage which should confirm the official narrative. More often than not they don’t release any of those images after they confiscate them.

    Another common theme is the killing of the perpetrator(s) and destruction of evidence. The telltale though is the politicians weighing in right away before any investigation. Their scripted response always ties these to their ongoing agenda which has been to take away our right to bear arms.

  172. I got my first camera in 1956. Some of my pictures were ruined by radiation clouds from Great Basin nuclear tests. We used unexposed film to test our exposure to radiation while taking x rays. My pictures looked like someone’s being too close to to many x ray machines.

    Another thing stores did was to let us put our feet in a machine which let us see our foot bones. People could better tell how shoes fit. Some of us did it for sport, and store clerks let us.

  173. Tex, exposure to radiation demonstrates individual tolerance. “On the Beach” was no scientific source, but it did describe how some people lasted longer in the radiation cloud before they showed symptoms. Some got sick and then recovered for a week or so.

    Chernoble killed a number of people, and many others suffered from cancer and other conditions.

    However, a few people have moved back to the restricted zone. Ukraine allows tourists to visit if they wear radiation moniters. Animals and plants have flourished as the region reverts back to its natural state.

    The National Geographic published an article about the hot zone. Our grand daughter loves to look at the pictures.

  174. Some forms of radiation are good and beneficial. Others, not so much. But as James said, the radiation our inventions produce affect different people differently. But they all do have an effect. However our immune systems and genetics aren’t the same and this is where it does harm. Even with emf, some are more susceptible with the younger being most vulnerable. But it does in fact affect every organism that shares the environment.

    Back to the moon and bloody ridiculous…

    David Icke Explains Racism In Less Than 1 Minute

  175. Not for nuthin’ but I’ve heard Alfie’s Mussolini observation at least three times on the tube since he said it.

    It is VERY hard to be original. Too many folks running their mouth for any of us to assume we are being original. Frankly, in a forum like this, originality is highly overrated. Most of us are simply expressing ideas and observations shared by many others.

    So I return to my ORIGINAL premise. Lurker was dinged less for her lack of originality and more for her being Lurker.

  176. Not for nuthin’ but I’ve heard Alfie’s Mussolini observation at least three times on the tube since he said it
    So I’m a trend setter what can I say

  177. @ Rutherford I specifically said:

    His posture and body mechanics honestly made me think of Mussolini

    My personal academic studies allows me to comment on posture and body mechanics and leave out slander shots about fascism.
    Perhaps that’s a difference.

  178. Comparing a domestic politician to a violent dictator without reason degrades the reference as over use of words like hero or rape does.

    Lurker tacitly accuses Trump of being an un-American dictator. Similar logic allows me to question Lurker’s love of our country as it is now constituted.

    Thus, I provide this video just for Lurker to show her an example of a patriotic woman. Maybe it will flush her from the tall grass and we will read more of her wisdom.

  179. “So I return to my ORIGINAL premise. Lurker was dinged less for her lack of originality and more for her being Lurker.”

    Rutherford, take a look at how used up that line is already. We’re not talking “2 or 3 times”, and as you can see it goes all the way back to 2015.

    Lurker got called out for being what she has accused others of being–an echo chamber. We don’t suffer hypocrites here. Well…most of us don’t, anyway.

  180. Maybe it will flush her from the tall grass and we will read more of her wisdom.

    It is a near constant source of irritation to me that self-professed libs do not make a home here and fight the good fight. I used to blame some of you for being overly abusive but fuck that. I’ve had my disability thrown in my face and my mother painted as Angela Davis and I’m still here.

    Some of you, Tigre and Noah, to name two, say I don’t debate. Well my gripe goes back to what I said to Muffy. Libs are increasingly allergic to the free exchange of ideas, including those they find unsettling. That pisses me off. This place would be better with more Lurker’s and Thor’s. Alas, you’ll just have to make due with me.

  181. I didn’t quite complete my thought. Some of you may not like my debate style but I show up. That’s more than I can say for the libs who have floated in and out of here.

  182. Just a Lurker represents hILLary US, and the only liberal visitor to the bar in some time. James wants to flush her out like a turkey or quail. I suspect both barrels are loaded.

    Trump is entirely made for teevee. He didn’t just happen in at an opportune moment. He’s practiced this act for decades. It’s what a con man does. Make America Gyrate Again. There is no way he does anything for anyone else unless he owes them.

  183. And yet HRC presumptive defense and security choices are strong Wilsonians who drool at the thought of sending Americans to die in all corners of the world.

  184. Yes, both barrels are loaded. Lurker is a coward as many, but most of the departed liberals are. I could be wrong about Lurker, but I have been in situations where I was the only non- liberal, and though they tried to , intimidate me they were only words on a screen. Liberals could have enough courage and maybe they are brave enough. Maybe it is the ideas they lack.

    Perhaps you could bribe some liberal friends with burger meals if they visit and help you defend your views.

  185. Lurker doesn’t hang because she’s a moron. It takes generally less than two retorts and she slithers back under the rock. Chances good the imbecile doesn’t even read the responses to her crap because she knows she’s going get blistered as abjectly ignorant. She’ll be back next month with some mindless verse, verbatim, from some other hapless rube she hears – that’s why things like Journolist were effective until discovered.

    They’ve got legions of lemmings like Lurker at their disposal.

    Rutherford for the most part quit defending the buffoon Obama after he got reelected. Thor and to a lesser degree Rutherford, still mouth the Leftist talking points even when they’ve been demonstrated false, but neither Thor or Rutherford are stupid.

    Lurker is. I wish Thor would come back and give us his ringing endorsement of Hillary. I can’t even stoke Rutherford enough to fight back anymore. 😛

  186. In my group nearing 25k people, I can count on one hand the Democrats who debate using facts and that remain mostly civilized. What is really interesting is that none of them are Progressive Democrats. All of the reasonable and able and willing to debate Democrats consider themselves blue dog Democrats or Conservative Democrats who feel the Progressives have hijacked their party.

    Every other Progressive that joins is a blast of emotional vomit. They initially start out as calm but it always ends badly as the facts turn against them. R is nothing unique. Like the Progressives in my group, they suddenly get busy or disinterested in the conversation when it suddenly doesn’t start to go their way. Just the nature of the beast. Its not that being a Democrat makes you a bad or dishonest/disingenuous person, its that most bad and dishonest/disingenuous people are Democrats. I consider the Conservative Democrats in my group some of my most prized members because it is as close to an honest insight to the Democrat party as you are ever going to get.

    http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/24/obamas-half-brother-says-hes-voting-for-donald-trump.html

  187. One story line with some legs out of convention is law and order. It’ll be interesting to see if democrats touch it. The Ferguson Effect is a real phenomenon and one Americans should be concerned about.
    Depolicing,deincarceration and delegitimization of cops and people in general is not a thing to half ass.

  188. Try real burgers first and follow with nothing burgers and see if they know the difference.

    I agree delegitimization of various people is a serious problem which threatens the social fabric of parts of big cities. However, the Democrats who encouraged this lawless attitude have a tiger by the tail.

    They would have to dance better than contestants on Dancing with the Stars to negotiate the deepening swamp.

    Law and order is a racist code phrase. I think if they are smart, Democrats will not touch it except to accuse Republicans of racism.

  189. This video expresses how the election will finish. The majority of those who no longer care will give the election to the other side.

    Carina’s father member of a metal band cared enough to drop his membership in the Norweigian Hells Angels and to do a little dance in the video with his daughter.

    We are toast. We just don’t know it yet. I take refuge in music.

  190. Since I never listen to the radio much anymore unless it’s that old time rock and roll, and am literally off the grid these days (Morpheus Taylor), I don’t here these new cute ditties, James – at least to me, they’re new. LOL. Thanks for providing that. Kind of found myself swaying to the beat.

  191. I should care and worry about the Ferguson Effect, but I don’t. I didn’t cause it, and it has little direct effect on me. I should feel awful about being so heartless, but try as I might, I can’t dredge up any concern. It is my failing, and I deserve criticism, but I really don’t care. That is my song too.

    Let them burn.

  192. Good grief, hear. 🙂 I know Rutherford takes great delight in mocking my pedantic style, but it’s actually a compliment to he and his audience.

    I don’t want y’all thinking there is another Lurker in your presence…

  193. You’re welcome, Tex. If she lived in the United States, I think Carina could sell as many songs as Pink who’s music I also like.

  194. Pretty sad when the head of a committee is quarantined from appearing at its own national conference.

    I’m gonna have to say that beats the booing of a guy who supposedly nobody liked and everyone thought was crazy, anyway. And we already know from experience that the Democrats will at least equal the RNC madness concerning BS floor votes and such.

    I’m thinking the only bright spot the Dems will have in their convention is their prospective VP pandering with some Spanish without stuffing his face with Taco Bell.

  195. Hey JAL do you have an opinion you’d like to share about some of the Democrats many issues aka #DemExit,Bernie,DWS email etc. I think Rutherfords views have been garnered. I’m honestly curious.
    FWIW I find:
    #DemExit to be a great idea but I doubt some of the folks idealism:action ratio.
    Bernie is just dying inside and now the outside. He wants this,this and this but has no hand.
    DWS is disgusting in all ways.
    Kaine excellent and obvious choice (for good and bad) & was my second pick after my early pick of Booker.

  196. Lurker, you really showed your age in that last one. Funny, I just made a reference to “Laugh-in” on Facebook yesterday. Must be something in the air.

  197. Thing is R, A lot of people have been telling you this for years, especially on Schultz. Now we have to figure out why what was so obvious to us was in your blind spot for so long, or was it?

  198. So Lizzie Warren stood up in front of the La Raza gang and told them they would never build Trumps stupid wall.
    The nuance of her statement and the name of the organization,NCLR, speaks volumes to what is wrong the democrats.
    Neither real nor symbolically will the likes of Lizzie Warren protect the People and she will never see the People as anything but the hyphenated,identity politics clumps the (D)’s oh so love.
    The democrats are shameless. They can stand in a pile of dog shit up to their chins and claim everything is ok as long as someone swats the flies.They probably see the “optimism” that the shit only comes up to their chins too,

  199. Who the fuck watches the Bachelor and who the fuck is going to watch “Two stuck up douchebags get married”.
    Absolutely fuck ABC but Fuck Higgins too.
    p.s. and fuck whoever watches such garbage.

  200. This won’t win me friends on Facebook. I don’t care.

    “We can infer from leaked emails that Debbie Wasserman Schultz tolerated an attack on the faith of a fellow Jewish person, Bernie Sanders, in order to get Hillary Clinton nominated. This, in my opinion is shameful.

    Her resignation as party chair is effective AFTER the convention. It should be effective NOW.”

  201. Thanks for the Vermin clip, Tex. I think. 🙂 The angle and distortion was… different. I understand Vermin sometimes has that effect on electronics and some people. He did good to sidestep the gotcha questions too.

  202. The big question now is will Hillary sell DWS down the river.

    We all know DWS was (and I stress WAS) going to get a cabinet-level or other position as payback for her hard work rigging the election. But when people start asking Hillary to renounce her and her actions, will she? And what if those people aren’t even Trump?

    If you are Hillary, how can you accept the endorsement of someone who has been exposed and run out of leadership by her own party? That endorsement is worse than worthless, it is toxic.

    On the other hand, if you are Hillary, how can you not accept her endorsement, at this point?

    The damage control you know they are doing days before their convention is hilarious. And this is without Trump!

  203. And this “Russia is doing it all to help Trump” is also hilarious, when you consider that Hillary’s first job as SoS was to deliver the reset button to Russia.

    She is all but admitting her own diplomatic failure.

  204. well, “tex” like i said, your pic and your moniker told me all i needed to know about you. you’re pathetic and a small “man”. at least i’m not afraid to have my pic up there. you don’t like me? i take that as a badge of honor. i wouldn’t want to associate with an ignorant fool such as yourself. now post your clever comeback, but i’m not wasting any more of my time on a twit like you.

    I guess my noting the irony in her moniker, that lethal combination of abject stupidity and physical repulsiveness so ubiquitous to the Hillary Hags, didn’t go over so well. ** GUFFAW **

  205. Pools, I thought the angle of the camera without the entire “boot head” also made it less effective. He’s actually kind of funny. 😛

  206. Debbie WasAman Schultz must have some naked pictures or something. I mean, the woman could hardly be more dumb. I mean, DWS is even dumb by Dimocrat standards.

    I disagree with Rutherford’s assessment about resigning NOW. DWS should have never been appointed to begin with.

  207. He’s actually kind of funny.

    Funnier than those other two clowns. I’d come closer to trusting him with my grandkids.

  208. Yes Huck. Dumbass Hillary makes DWS honorary chair of campaign same day she tenders resignation. It’s not just fuck off Sanders. It’s fuck off everybody. It’s my turn and I’ll do whatever the fuck I want and you can’t stop me.

  209. It was 95 degrees in Detroit. 72 degrees with a nice mosquito free breeze on Lake Superior. Took this with my cell phone.

  210. It is amazing how cut off from the news cycle we were. My phone had zero service. Even in town they don’t give a shit.

    Come home and see Hillary hired her.

    It is possible to move to a remote spot and stop giving a fuck.

    Weather was so perfect I laid on the sand of Lake Superior one night and watched the sun be replaced by the moon and the stars without a bit of discomfort.

    It’s cliché, but a good 5 hours pondering life under an intense looking galaxy up above does wonders.

    Of course, it’s pure luck in the Upper Peninsula. Biting flies alone can make a trip living hell.

  211. “It’s my turn and I’ll do whatever the fuck I want and you can’t stop me.”

    She has yet to be proven wrong on that.

  212. Lurker, I am flattered that you used my tall grass allusion. Did you see the video too?

    VICKA is a patriotic woman who loves her country more than most liberals love the United States. Liberals often want to change the US into something it was not intended to be. In that respect they hate the country which nurtured them.

    If you feel that way you should watch VICKA show how it is done.

    If you remember Laugh In You must be older than dirt, maybe as old as I am.

  213. Rabbit, I have been on the shores of Lake Superior. You are lucky to live near such a place. How is the sweet corn doing? Ours is silking.

  214. Damn, those pictures are BEAUTIFUL, Rabbit. I’m jealous. The heat index here was 109, temp 103. Might as well move out and live by the Poolman.

  215. Rabbit discovered Imgur. That’s the way I posted the now infamous picture of my bath mat.

    By the way, the bath mat was in the background. I was actually posting a pic of a belt I thought Rabbit might want to buy himself. No good deed goes unpunished. 😟

  216. Shit DR. Looks unbelievable. My brother has a place on Lake Michigan. I haven’t visited but I’m looking forward to it.

    I just got back from a buddy’s lake house in AL. A college Hot Tub Time Machine reunion of sorts. Feeling pretty relaxed too (and a little hung over). Still talked a lot of politics.

    So Imgur protects anonymity while allowing pictures? If so, I’m going to shoot a few inspirational pics of our well-cared for and emotionally adjusted bathmats for Rutherford.

  217. Let’s see.

    DWS rigs primaries, promised job with HRC.

    Lynch rigs email investigation, promised job with HRC.

  218. LOL yes as far as I can tell imgur allows anonymous photo posting. I’m not even sure I had to set up an account but I’d have to double check. I used it because WordPress comments don’t allow image uploads, only links to what’s already on the net.

  219. It sucks that we have such a beautiful country and such pieces of shit representing it. Come Lord Jesus, burn off the chaff already. Lurker that grass offers you no cover.

  220. How much do you think screwing Bernie is going to hurt the Devil, Rutherford? What’s the scoop in your part of the world?

  221. I’m hoping for disruption tomorrow but in the end it won’t amount to anything. The Sandernistas on Twitter calling for HRC to drop out are smoking dope.

  222. Betsys Page shows that Wikileaks and their own actions show the Democratic Party leaders are anti-Semetic, racists willing to lie to achieve their ends. Moreover, the convention will honor the mothers of thugs while ignoring the police unless enough people make noise to change plans.

    The feminists are still the whores they showed themselves to be when they figuratively threw themselves at Bill when his disgusting sexual behavior was revealed.
    Luker must be digging a pit in the tall grass. Flushing her out will be difficult. Today, we would figuratively blow her head off.

    Rutherford, you are an honorable man. You have expressed your pain and frustration over what your votes helped create.

    You should sing the old song as we should, “He can’t even run his own life. I’ll be damned if he runs mine.”

  223. My wife accused me of being too paranoid as my uncle who thought the Soviets and oil companies were colluding to take over the US was mentally living “where the buses don’t run.” Recent developments have proven what I said and more is the truth. She admits I am right. This should give even Lurker pause for thought.

    The tide will turn, and Trump may throw it all away, or new e mails will show Republicans to be even more repulsive than the Democrats, but today, I am celebrating.

    This is my last video for awhile, and it is directed toward Lurker again.

    It is a wedding surprise committed by the groom’s best man and Bible study class.

  224. Tigre, where around does your brother have a place? I’m not too familiar with Lake Michigan outside of the coast in the UP.

    There are some incredibly swanky and pristine areas around Traverse City but I’ve never been there believe it or not. Traverse City is a “real” big money vacation that comes with fine dining etc.

    My trip to Lake Superior ended up costing around 500 bucks counting gas, food and lodging. Had I known it was going to be the most comfortable weather conditions anywhere on Earth, I would have camped. Practically what we did anyways.

    The quality of “hotels” in the UP are hilarious. I always seem to see some enraged yuppy fron Chicago complaining up there. Cracks me up.

  225. Rabbit, it’s the lead story on Morning Joe, partly cos Wasserman Schultz went after Mika Brzinski. To my shock, it appears as of this morning, DWS is still slated to speak.

    If progs don’t fuck this whole convention up, they have no spine. They need to burn the motherfucker down.

  226. Noah, I took the liberty of changing your huge-ass imbed into an off page hyperlink – just to help this page load a bit faster and reduce scrolling.

    I’ll be starting a new thread on the DNC tomorrow.

  227. “If progs don’t fuck this whole convention up, they have no spine. They need to burn the motherfucker down.”

    How ’bout the prog leader himself. He’ s holding his ass cheeks open. Who would not void the endorsement at this point.

    When that black lives matter thug high-jacked Sanders’ speech I knew feel the bern was the ultimate pussy.

  228. Pussy is marketable. He’s got a book deal, I’m certain a best seller. Righteous indignation and victimhood are big in marketing the left.

  229. I’m with the ‘burn this mother down’ theme. I just had to visit talking heads burning down the house. There. That’s all it takes to set that off in the rest of your virtuals. I hope the whole thing ignites too. I wonder who will start that unquenchable flame? Who is worthy to carry such a torch?

  230. It did my heart much good this morning to watch the idiot DSW booed off her own program. I can’t watch this sordid spectacle out of Caligula, but I do enjoy watching the lowlights. 🙂

  231. “If progs don’t fuck this whole convention up, they have no spine. They need to burn the motherfucker down.”

    This is what happens when you put your lot in with people who require safe spaces and coloring books when things get tough.

    And by “things”, I mean having to hear people say things you don’t like.

  232. Just remember, these same fine “Taco Bowl Engagement” types from the Great White Lefty community calling you racists, where not five years ago telling you your SUV was destroying the earth while they took flight on the Gulfstream.

    I’ve been telling Rutherford since I met him, I hardly ever heard the word “niqqer” mentioned until I started traveling on business to the Blue States. I don’t think he still believes me that the Republican Party ain’t the real black man’s enemy.

  233. Just think about it, these same leftist fucks want to shut down AM radio and the Drudge Report. All the while they control the MSM like East Germans.

    The only solace there is in being a right winger is that we always get proven right one way or the other. Never is much justice….but we do get to say I told you so.

  234. Noah, do you plan to post every article about a dead cop? Guy apparently got shot by burglars – nothing in the article about an ambush or attack on police. What’s your point in posting the article?

  235. The only people that got booed during the entire Republican convention are those who did not endorse the Republican nominee.

    The only people to get booed during the Democratic convention are those who ARE endorsing the Democratic nominee–and they haven’t even got past the breakfast warm-up yet!

  236. I saw that, Tex. Surreal as hell.

    How Rutherford can allow MSNBC into his head is beyond me.

    Poor guy. His entire religion is in ruins, from the media to the party itself.

  237. I was planning to watch the convention on Fox tonight but according to the TV guide, they’re just doing their regular line-up. I don’t think they’re doing live coverage. Stupid of them. They can spin this shit show to death.

  238. Congrats to all my conservative asshole friends.

    That’s the nicest, sweetest thing you’ve ever said to me. I love you, Rutherford. 😈

  239. You’re beyond dopey. My point is cops get shot in the line of duty. It’s a job risk. However cops should not expect to get shot BECAUSE they are cops. Feel free to post on the latter. THAT is a development we all need to worry about.

  240. “Congrats to all my conservative asshole friends. You’ve lived to see the walls come tumbling down.”

    This might be the first time I have ever laughed with you and not at you.

  241. I have had to record the DNC because I can only stand it in small segments. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. They are spouting off all of the things they claim to be about post wiki email scandal that they were not about pre wiki release. This is cult mentality 101. They insist that an apology is enough and that if people are real Democrats they (those who were disenfranchised, those that had bigoted slurs used against them,) would accept the apology and move on like nothing ever happened. That is like a 350lbs weight lifter coming and punching you in the face with everything that he had only after video of it surfaced decided he was sorry and because he is sorry (only after evidence forced it, not his own moral character) we should be friends and nothing should happen to him (because he is sorry after all, no really.)

    Oh and there is a new commission in place that is working on reforms and what is really cool is that they were always there and not because of the wiki leaks but because they want reform but apparently not enough to put those reforms in place THIS election cycle but instead by 2018…maybe.

    I look into these crowds at the face and I am sickened by what I see. You didn’t build that alone, you had help. No one does anything alone, we are in this together.

    The implication being that Republicans want to abandon you and make you do it alone and will let you die if you fail.

    The actual message of the Democrats is that you cannot be trusted with freedom and you will always have big brother on your back telling you what is best for you.

    In reality Republicans are not for abandoning anyone. They are for allowing you the freedom to let you choose.

    As I look into the crowd, all I see are tall glasses of kool aid being poured and not one face recognizing that their drinks are spiked. Not one person is capable of understanding what they are required to give up to have their progressive dream made into a reality. Or maybe they can see it but like a child living with mom and dad do not want the responsibility that comes with being free and to make your own way in the world and to make your own choices and be accountable for those choices.

  242. Love the DNC lineup of criminals. Hillary,family that is illegal and a person advocating illegals to DREAM and a family touched by substance abuse aka family disconnected that they failed to stop a loved one getting addicted to narcotics and proving Darwin right. boo hoo.

  243. I’m also renegotiating with myself over voting. Although I have a number of identity issues with the Libertarians I am thinking that if I can play a small role getting them some % points and perhaps get some Hillary haters/doubters to swing I can do some good.
    I can’t accept either Trump or Clinton though,I really can’t.

  244. These irreverent libbies are booing during Dim invocation. 😆 😆 😆 Bernie, Bernie, Bernie!!!

    What a mess…

  245. Not getting much traction with the dont vote so I have shifted gears to shaming Sanders people into sticking to their principles and to write in Sanders, vote Libertarian which is a social Liberal like themselves so its almost as good, or to write in Trump to show their party they have principles. Lets hope for a record turn out for the write in vote.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders will back Hillary Clinton in exchange for speaking opportunities at fall campaign rallies, a fully-funded campaign aircraft and a share of the credit for her hoped-for election, according to a negotiating memo obtained by BuzzFeed News and dated two days before the June 7 California primary.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/25/sanders-negotiating-memo/

    The true racist party
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/25/racist-dnc-email-flagrantly-makes-fun-of-black-womans-name/

  246. Bernie is going to great lengths to try and persuade his followers not to boo or to chant “lock her up.”

    Something he did not do when his followers were shutting down Trump rallies and chasing people down as they tried to leave and punching them.

    Bernie’s a farce.

  247. Nice pics, rabbit, thanks for sharing them. I’m concerned about the giant dark shape I see in the water on two of them. It appears Superior has a sea monster.

  248. I remember the first time I swam in the ocean I was shocked it was so warm. Lake Michigan isn’t swimming so much as a measure of will. Or it used to be, I don’t swim in the great lakes anymore 😦

  249. I was in the Atlantic today and it was COLD. Saw a big school of fish darting around and had two conflicting thoughts. 1 Wow nature up close & personal. 2 What made the school come so close to shore? Start looking for fins people!

  250. MSNBC played some fantastic music this morning. That’s the only good thing I heard.

    Seeing as how R’s opening a new thread…

  251. I’ll bet it was Alfie. I used to go to Goosewing beach and it was really cold. Wicked red tide sometimes too.

    True story. I went open ocean snorkeling a long way out off of Key West about 8-9 years ago and did not ask about sharks until afterwards! I was too focused on jellyfish.

    Evidently there are all kinds of them.

  252. I like Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes.

    Most shark species will not bother humans.

    Lake Superior is my favorite of the Great Lakes. Watching iron boats on the horizon is awesome. A store clerk told us that sometimes, ice blocks wash on the northwest shore and can remain until June.

    Yes, Bernie is a wimp and a sell out. He wants a chairmanship in the Next Congress. I agree with Rutherford. Burn it down.

    A Trump election might or might not be a disaster, but watching these bigoted, Un-American elitists cross the threshold to insanity should he win will be worth it.

  253. DR, it’s around Crystal Lake. I think it may be the hoidy toidy types that inhabit the area. I don’t really know shit about it — just guessing given his work.

  254. We should give Rutherford a break tonight. I’m sure he’s thoroughly bummed out by Sarah Silverman telling him and his kind they are being ridiculous.

  255. Not getting much traction with the dont vote so I have shifted gears to shaming Sanders people into sticking to their principles and to write in Sanders

    Write-ins take more effort and don’t send the right message. The election has presented two unacceptable choices, one of which was engineered through chicanery. The proper approach is a boycott.

    With that said, I’ll be voting for Dr. Jill Stein. I MAY vote GOP down ticket just to fuck the Dems.

  256. I am really tempted to write in “None of the above” and curious to see if they post results telling how many others do that.

    My secondary temptation is to vote Trump just to give a giant middle finger to the lying, corrupt clusterfuck that is the Democratic Party.

  257. Some Democrats tried to deflect blame for their e mails on Trump and the Russians.

    Russian records show that Ted Kennedy contacted Uri Andropov then leader of the Soviet Union to ask for his help during the 1988 election. In return, Kennedy offered to advise the Soviets on how to deal with Reagan.

    Democrats actually did what they accuse the Russians and Trump of doing.

    I’m still voting for Trump.

  258. alfie – Sunday there was big beautiful hot air balloon calling me to come fly. It was absolutely fantastic! I would recommend putting a ride on your bucket list.

    #DemExit to be a great idea – but of course you do! I understand the anger at the DNC, DWS and the so called “liberal media” who ignored Bernie. This election is too important pull a temper tantrum because you didn’t get what you wanted. What really matters is what they do come November.

    Bernie is just dying inside and now the outside. He wants this,this and this but has no hand. – a

    Not sure what you mean… did he get everything he wanted. No! Do you consider him a loser because of it?
    Bernie got into the race to bring up the issues he felt were important. I believe Bernie knew that from the start this would happen. He is a realist. He has made a difference. People heard him.

    Bernie is the most honest politician in office. He is there for the people and not for his personal gain. Bernie is a true gentlemen which can not be said for any the 17 dancing chickens the right put on stage.

    DWS is disgusting in all ways. – a

    This is a side of women I am not proud of. However, I believe she has cooked her goose. More importantly did they put in motion any of the “suggestions” made to sabotage Bernie?

    Kaine excellent and obvious choice (for good and bad) & was my second pick after my early pick of Booker. – a

    Kaine was mayor of Richmond when I lived there. I also like Booker and Castro. But no one asked me.

    I will say this. I don’t care for Hillary and I don’t know why. William Safire? wrote a piece accusing the Clintons of many things but gave no proof/source to justify his accusations. Of course, the right never asked for proof and accepted it as fact. The right has investigated her every which way but Sunday and have yet to find that smoking gun they are so sure exists.

    Does Hillary have one monumental FU attitude? Damn right she does and the right is responsible for much of it. IMO the right would like her cowering in a corner begging to left alone. They under estimated her.

    Like her or not she is the most qualified, the most experienced of all those “dancing half assed chickens” the right paraded out especially “The Donald”. I believe she will be a good president if the right will let her.

  259. She is an evil minion with a trail of dead bodies following her. The best thing she could do for America is kill herself.

  260. I have done the hot air balloon thing. Aside from how early in the morning it was, I did enjoy the experience. I had a friend in Texas that was a pilot and participated in all the events until he passed in 02.

  261. I always thought Bernie was chosen by the estab to run against Hillary for the sole purpose of providing a simulated primary.

  262. No one seems to need to preface the word “socialism” with “democratic” anymore. That’s an accomplishment.

    I still think 2012 was the last gasp of cooked goose. Obama won Top Chef.

  263. Oh wait. Not on Lake Michigan.

    Northern Michigan state is stunningly beautiful. If I wasn’t going to end my days up north WI I would cross over.

  264. Thank you, Lurker, for showing up. I don’t have time to argue, but I do agree with something. I thought Sanders was a Judas goat who bought into the script.

  265. “Crystal Lake IL Tigre?”

    MI. It sits near the shore of Lake Michigan, so it’s supposed to be a best of both worlds kind of place.

  266. MI. It sits near the shore of Lake Michigan, so it’s supposed to be a best of both worlds kind of place.<<<

    Unless you’re used to the eastern shore. The western shore would be nice if it wasn’t for all the assholes from Chicago who think they own the beach.

  267. . We are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. Democrats are removing God and replacing God with the Government. Now since God is no longer endowing us with these rights, the Government/Democrats have to step in and fight for you to have those rights. Think about it.

    I had to record the DNC and I am continuing to watch it in small chunks. This was the most dishonest thing I have ever been witness too. Everything is a false premise and a misrepresentation. They say we cannot go back to the days of slavery, so vote Democrat. We cannot go back to the days of lynchings, so vote Democrat. We cannot go back to women making less than men, so vote Democrats. Who wants to go back? The implication of course is that Republicans want all of those things and unless you vote Democrat we will revert. And they claim that Republicans were using fear to scare people? Sanders blamed the 08 recession on Republicans. The uninformed of course will buy this because it did happen during the Bush years but those of us who are more informed know that recession was building for almost 30 years. Did you know air conditioners are as dangerous as ISIS (John Kerry)? Booker tried (and failed) to redefine the Deceleration of Independence to being the Deceleration of Interdependence. What does it say about a party whose entire message is predicated on deception and lies? Where I come from half truths are still lies but I am sure the politically correct are working to change that.

    Am I the only one to notice that there was not one American flag flying at the DNC? No national anthem. How much do you want to bet there will be flags today in reaction? Does anyone think that this was not something that was decided intentionally and purposefully? The only flag seen flying at the DNC was the Palestinian flag. Also not an accident. 61 speeches, and not one on terrorism or ISIS, even in the wake of an 86 year old Priest being beheaded in France by a member of ISIS. Again, not an accident.

    Democrats seem to be embracing lawlessness. They had illegal aliens on stage, in violation of Section 8 U.S. Code 1324. They supported police but only with a disclaimer that BLM. There should be no disclaimer that police should not be assassinated. After being forced to live in a house that was built by slaves, at least Michelle is proud of this nation, though this was a new revelation after her husband was elected in 08.

    Sanders sold out, not one mention of the wiki leaked emails. Not one mention of corrupting the vote, collusion of the media, or the attacks and slurs against minorities. Rarely in politics do we get absolute proof proving something like this. Sanders was right, the system was rigged and he still speaks well of the person who helped rig it. Sanders sold his soul for a fully funded plane ride and credit for his education program. Sanders is asking Democrats to support a candidate he called too corrupt and incompetent to be POTUS. I’m sure if we searched Sanders pockets we would find 13 piece of silver.

    The ultimate hypocrisy. The 1% (who made their 1% serving in government, not for being producers,) telling you they are on a crusade to ‘get’ the 1%ers and take back ‘your’ fair share. The DNC should have been held in Detroit show they could showcase all of what can come from their policies.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/26/clinton-cash-author-hold-reddit-qa-week/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

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