Maher Overstates Economic State of a State

I almost feel bad in including in my own blog post the same line with which the blog owner began his previous post.  I almost feel worse over the fact that it’s the same line echoed in the video I am reviewing.  But just because I feel bad about it, it doesn’t mean I’m not going to do it.  And that is because it is appropriate when reviewing the latest screed by the unapologetic liberal, Bill Maher, during his latest edition of Real Time with Bill Maher.  In it, Maher uses the California economy to suggest that conservatives use the Golden State as a “Laboratory of Democracy”, and that to repeat their same failed trickle-down economic policies with the expectation of different results is the “definition of insanity.”  It’s obvious that Maher well knows that if you want the same results you have to do the same things, and that is why he uses the same tired tactics he always uses to achieve the predictable and desired results–laughter from an ignorant audience and giggles from a brainless panel.

Maher uses the analogy of a laboratory throughout the piece, inserting words and concepts like “variables”, “results”, and “[lab] rats”.  The problem is that Maher is misusing them all, and ignoring what they really mean in a laboratory setting to reach his ultimate conclusion.

As we all know, the term “variable” means things without a fixed pattern and that are subject to change.  He applies the term to California Republicans, stating the state “removed the variables” that the party brought.  So if a variable is something without a fixed pattern, then wouldn’t a group that brings the predictability of doing “the same thing” actually be the opposite of a variable?  If the GOP and the outcome of its policies were indeed so predictable, they they would not be a variable.

Another variable Maher ignores is intrastate geography and the population that lives within it.  A by-county look at California’s unemployment figures–which Maher claims are fantastic–shows a significant increase in unemployment as one moves inland.  In some cases, the rate is nearly 20%.  The coast and specific industry sectors are skewing the numbers of a very large state.  So the idea that California is doing great is certainly not one that is shared by all.

Another variable Maher ignores is the influence of Silicon Valley on the California economy.  Maher conveniently ignores that variable, because it would force him to acknowledge things like the 2000 burst of the dot-com bubble and the “significant contraction” of the Silicon Valley economy that immediately followed.  This is no small variable, as some are already noticing signs of a repeat.

Maher also alleges that cap and trade has not ruined the California economy, as opponents of the policy had predicted.  What he fails to point out is that cap and trade auctions in California have fallen significantly below expectations and the reduction in the revenue they would have generated is hurting long-term projects that rely on that revenue, such as the controversial high-speed rail project.  Gee, could it be that cap and trade (a clearly unpredictable variable) isn’t hurting the California economy because there isn’t much of it going on?

Along these same lines, Maher claims the price of electricity in the state is low in comparison to other places.  This is utter nonsense.  In fact, data shows that in 2015, electricity rates in California were approximately 50% higher than the national average.  And the only changes expected are rate increases–not decreases.  Electricity rates that are subject to change and that effect a state’s economy sure sound like a variable to me.

Another huge variable that Maher ignores is the one that completely destroys his thesis–that taxing the rich has not driven them away from California and the policy has led to the state’s continuing economic growth.  Maher rightly points out that the rich have and will remain in California because the state offers a climate that other states cannot compete with, and their retention has had a positive effect on the state’s economy.  However, this makes the California climate a variable.  And, as Maher himself acknowledges, it’s one that other states do not enjoy.  So if the value of a variable is different in one lab experiment than it is in another lab experiment, then those experiments are not the same and should not be viewed as such.

The biggest variable that Maher ignores is the very tax system he is defending as a success.  The California tax system is somewhat complicated and unlike those in most other states (can you say “variable”?).  Even Governor Brown acknowledges that the system is showing signs of strain and an economic downturn may well be on the horizon as a result.  He is encouraging the legislature to refrain from new spending projects that will further strain a system that analysts claim produces an economy that is in a constant state of “boom or bust“.

Ultimately, Maher’s laboratory analogy fails because he ignores the terms inherent in such an analogy.  His thesis and conclusions rely on a correlation vs causation fallacy, against which any real lab scientist would guard.  Furthermore, the existence of key variables–many of which he either ignores or mislabels–only proves that the idea that states should be used as “laboratories of democracy” is one that should not be used when discussing the policies of the United States as a whole.  Economics is not a hard science that can be viewed in the confines of a single-state lab experiment and then applied to a nation as variably diverse as ours.  That Maher, and his band of useful idiots, thinks it can is, to coin a phrase, “the definition of insanity”.

 

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912 thoughts on “Maher Overstates Economic State of a State

  1. As a regular Real Time viewer, I saw this lecture by Maher and thought “our resident Californian can probably tear this to shreds” so I asked Huck to do just that.

    As you can see, you don’t have to live in California to dispute Maher’s thesis. It is common sense that a state with predictably pleasant climate might have advantages over Nebraska and hence the one size fits all approach falls flat on its face.

    I enjoy Bill and often find him cathartic. But Bill is an arrogant asshole who greatly overestimates his own intelligence.

    Plus, he laughs at his own jokes. I didn’t much like that about Red Skelton and I don’t like it from Maher.

    P.S. Yes I’m showing my age by referencing Red Skelton.

  2. An interesting article. I’ll say you can put me in the “Maher is full of shit” column.
    As for taxing the rich and the impact that has I’d say go look at the Dem dominated states of New Jersey and Connecticut. NJ recently lost their richest citizen to Fla and long time corporate CT citizen GE left and went to MA! When going to Massachusetts is your better corporate option WOW!
    I’d add that some of the big boys in CA are enjoying huge tax deals and STILL looking to screw the communities that kissed their asses. (APPLE!!!)
    States are great labs though just like cities are. Bill is off all around.

  3. Our son and daughter in law live and work in Silicon Valley. Our son works with computers and earns over $100,000 per year. He said if he could he would move elsewhere.

    His multinational company has sent some workers to Texas, and more may go later.

    That high speed train is a money pit without a bottom.

    Our son would agree with us that old Bill is full of it.

  4. Off the top of my head:

    (1) California has about 11% of the U.S. economy but about a 1/3 of the nation’s welfare recipients
    (2) Fiscal solvency ranks California 44th out 50 states
    (3) California has over $1 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities
    (4) California public schools quality rank is 43rd out of 51 states (DC) right above West Virginia with a safety rank 49th out of 51.

    Figures an innumerate dumb ass like Maher would consider this a model for success.

  5. I had to look this up and there is more recent data even worse than this, but consider this when comparing California to Texas as example:

    An interesting and revealing market-based measure of the relative attractiveness (and migration patterns) of the two states is to compare the cost of a one-way U-Haul truck going from California to Texas vs. the cost going in the other direction. To rent a 26-foot truck one-way, here are the current prices being quoted by U-Haul for June 18:

    Torrance, CA to Plano, TX: $2,626
    Plano, TX to Torrance, CA: $1,264

    Los Angeles, CA to Dallas, TX: $2,558
    Dallas TX to Los Angeles: $1,232

    Bottom Line: The cost of a one-way U-Haul truck leaving California for Texas is more than twice the cost to rent that same truck going from Texas to California, suggesting that there are twice as many trucks and people leaving California for Texas than vice-versa. Based on the huge difference in demand for one-way truck rentals, there is a premium of more than 100% for Californians to rent trucks going to Texas, and large discounts for trucks going in the opposite direction to California. U-Haul’s market-based pricing seems to confirm the California exodus to Texas of jobs, people and businesses like Toyota and Occidental.

  6. I lived in Richmond, VA and Norfolk VA for a couple of years.

    I also lived in Humboldt County, California for a couple of years.

    When people say “Oh, you lived on the south” , I always say, “yeah, my two years in California.”

    I feel for the people of rural California. I’ve never met a more unrepresented and misunderstood group in my life.

    Even Humboldt County was two worlds. The most liberal and non productive people on earth and the hard worker conservatives.

    Night and day.

    Only Willie Nelson could bring them together.

    While I lived up north, I always feel a connection to Bakersfield, although I have no real idea where the wind blows there.

  7. Wow. A buddy’s cousin was killed in Bangladesh. Another tragedy to be glossed over for political expediency, I guess.

  8. California definitely is one of those ‘best of’ and ‘worst of’ states, imo. A lot of really cool and a lot of really stupid. It’s a fun place to visit.

    I don’t take anything bill maher says seriously. He has his smart moments, though most of those are in the past. I’m not a big fan of nanny nanny boo boo.

  9. Shit’s gonna get bad as ISIS and al Qaeda compete with each other for terrorist street cred.

    Sounds like someone grew up in virtual reality. Didn’t you get the memo that what we get told is mostly lies? Besides, ISIS is al Qaeda with better pr and social media skills. Notice how neither terrorist ever messes with Israel? Mostly theater according to those who would know.

    Like the Orlando psyop. No ties to isis or al qaeda, but plenty to actors and locals with criminal records. And the money keeps flowing in.

  10. I can’t believe you would compare Bill Maher to Red Skelton, Rutherford.

    Here’s his Donald Trump imitation:

  11. LOL Thanks for the vid, Poolman. Yup there he is laughing at his own jokes. But I’ll say this, he came across so benign that the audience loved him. Maher on the other hand, when he laughs at his own jokes, is saying “isn’t it funny what a little prick I am?”

    Oh, Pools, an extra thanks so youngin’s like Rabbit and Tigre can see who Red Skelton is. 😀

  12. On a serious note, Tigre sorry for your friends loss.

    Whenever these things happen I wonder about the ripple effect – so many lives damaged beyond the immediate victims.

  13. Shit’s gonna get bad as ISIS and al Qaeda compete with each other for terrorist street cred.

    We need Ramadan to end. These idiots think they get bonus points in heaven if they pull this shit this time of year.

  14. Obviously you’ve been told by your media gods what ramadan is all about. 🙄

    Did you hear of the latest victim to become a part of the growing list of those who would testify against clinton, yet not quite live to get the opportunity? John Ashe. Apparently a crushed throat that was reported as a heart attack. Those clintons have some kind of luck, wouldn’t you say? .

  15. I’m sorry for the death, Tigre, also all of the deaths.

    As we know refugees from the Dust Bowl and Depression moved to California. Many other Midwesterners followed over the years. Some were my relatives. A cousin, for example, lived next door to the Smothers Brothers’ mother and took her to the hospital once. The families became friends.

    I helped our daughter with a high school History Day project and noticed that Midwesterners settled in specific places like Bakersfield. One result was the Bakersfield Sound of country music. Another was concentrated voting patterns. Traces of southern and Midwestern accents still remain with voting preferences.

    Midwesterners may have countermanded the liberal vote to put Reagan into the governorship.

  16. Poolman, I don’t disbelieve much about the Clintons.

    Hillary and Obama may act like innocent bystanders as they condemn the latest attacks, but they helped exacerbate the problem.

    A San Jose car rental clerk told me she didn’t know any Republicans. We on this blog know more than many Californians.

  17. Betsys Page says that Hilary probably shared protected
    State Department information about the Greek banking system.

    She told bill who told their son in law who was creating a large hedge fund to capitalize on the presumed greek economic recovery.

    The fund lost millions of dollars when greece failed to recover. thirteen million dollars of a california pension fund invested in the clinton son in law fund vanished. why did the california pubic employees invest in a hedge fund dependent on the greek economy?

    Were they buying influence with the Clintons.
    our computer is not capitalizing letters right now, and I don;t have time to correct it.

  18. California is like six different states. You get 40 miles off the coast, and it seems rather normal – at least that was my experience. The closer you get to the water, the more screwed up it becomes.

  19. Wrong thread: I see during the Ramadan Bombathon, the JV killed another 125 yesterday. We’ve got them on the run!

  20. I’m really starting to get pissed off. So called experts on lib media are lying – flat out lying – that there must be intent for mishandling of state secrets to be a crime. It ain’t true. 😡

  21. Rutherturd. Only you could be critical of great, clean comedy like Red Skeleton. The man was truly a comic genius.

    I personally love people who laugh at their own jokes.

  22. Damn, Johnny Carson used to laugh at his own jokes all the time, and there hasn’t been anybody remotely close to matching the fun of Carson on late night TV.

  23. Rutherford, I told you our views would come closer with this lot in charge.

    Red Skelton was funny. I remember he once appolgized for having a too racy skit in his show.

    Johnny Carson has relatives in our county, and my father knew his grand father. We saw him at his first show in Omaha when we toured the station.

    He stood a few feet from us as crew men filled a wading pool. He put his feet in and complained the water was icy. As soon as the show began Carson pretended the water was balm for a hot day.

    Johnny was an unhappy man who felt uncomfortable in social situations. He spent much of his life trying to please his mother and failed.

  24. Since Dead Rabbit is probably the most paranoid here concerning his anonymity, I invite him to rent CitizenFour, the documentary about Edward Snowden.

    It is some scary shit that makes Poolman look perfectly sane.

    As long as we keep our nose clean, ladies and gentlemen, we have nothing to fear. After watching this film, I’m convinced that if any of us became a concern to the government, they’d crawl up our ass and know EVERYTHING we do.

    So now, one must ask, ala Poolman, what makes us “a concern”? If the government knew Omar was likely to do something horrible in Orlando, might they just let him do it to further a government agenda?

    Damn film has raised my paranoia level to 11 on the Spinal Tap amplifier.

  25. Only you could be critical of great, clean comedy like Red Skeleton.

    I guess you didn’t catch the joke about old Red flirting with the Scotsman. Even then gay humor got guffaws.

  26. I expected that Paul Harvey vid to be corny as hell and while it was a bit corny it was also pretty powerful. You never hear much about the lesser known men on the DOI.

  27. “Since Dead Rabbit is probably the most paranoid here concerning his anonymity”

    Yet the real dead rabbit is known to most here.

    R, I can’t believe you didn’t join me for fava beans when you were in the area.

  28. Rutherford, it isn’t simply anonymity from the government we are concerned about. In fact, that’s about the least of the concern.

    It’s concern about some busy body taking offense to something we write and doxxing us, contacting our employer, and generally ruining our lives.

  29. You all have more to fear and a 100% likelihood of being targeted by the private sector. Never ceases to amaze me the depths folls go.

  30. Your big fuck you is written of pure ignorance unless you can tell us what is meant by a christian nation. It bothers me that you find it so appealing with no real appreciation for the concept. Shallow as fuck really.

    I’d ask questions but you don’t answer questions. So I’ll talk some.

    Contrary to what seems to be the spirit of the big fuck you, no one with a mild interest in understanding our founding believes that what some refer to as a christian nation is one in which all citizens are christians, or the laws require everyone to follow christian theology, or where only christians can be leaders. The Constitution specifically provides that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or name Christians. Obviously — very obviously — all religions have freedom to practice within our borders. Huge numbers of Americans practice other religions, and many reject some or all of them as well. Even more obviously, christianity is most certainly not a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially.

    So what’s the beef? Do you dispute that christianity has largely shaped and molded our constitution and laws? If so, you’ve got your head up your ass. John Marshall himself has said “With us, Christianity and religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed, if with such a people our institutions did not presuppose Christianity and did not often refer to it and exhibit relations with it.”

    There is just no doubt that America is a nation founded upon christian and biblical principles, and our values, society, and institutions have largely been shaped by those principles. The term “Christian Nation” is a term used by American legal scholars and historians for hundreds of years even if it is ignored by the revisionists from whom you seek validation.

    The Supreme Court has itself said “There is no dissonance in these declarations [founding docs]. There is a universal language pervading them all, having one meaning; they affirm and reaffirm that this is a religious nation.” The ruling states bluntly, “This is a Christian nation.” (Trinity v. United States). Also, it has said, “We are a Christian people…according to one another the equal right of religious freedom, and acknowledging with the reverence the duty of obedience to God.” ( United States v. Macintosh).

    Anyway, for those that Rutherford has said something illuminating, suffice it to say that he has not. So, fuck him. No real thought here.

  31. Well, it is the 4th of July anyway, and since Rutherford still believes America a racist and imperialistic nation, and he can’t defend the massive inadequacies of Obama and he recognizes Dear Leader has thrown him a 90lbs cotton sack instead of free rent and gas, Rutherford had to lash out at his other antagonist than country. God. 😆

    Damn Rutherford, I am going to enjoy the day when your Islam overloads give you an epiphany about just how stupid you’ve always been and how lucky you were that great, great, great granddaddy caught the boat. I only wish I could be a fly on the wall when it happens. 😈

  32. Nice lecture Tigre. Go back and read the original piece. It actually cites source material back in the days when I bothered to research a bit when I wrote.

    Your beef ain’t with me Sir. It should be with all those who want prayer in school, creationism replacing science and a nativity scene in front of city hall.

  33. Tex, you totally misunderstand. I love my country because unlike in Afghanistan, I am free to express any belief or non-belief I want.

    The beauty of living in a secular country and not a theocracy. A country explicitly founded NOT to be a theocracy.

  34. “Nice lecture Tigre. Go back and read the original piece. . . blah, blah, bah.”

    You haven’t addressed anything I said. Big Shock!

    Don’t worry though. BiC is an idiot and you are learned and asking what the term “Christian Nation” means to you, someone that studiously avoids reading and history, is expecting morethan you can deliver.

    So, I shall adopt the SCOTUS and all the authority cited by them contradicting someone else’s thesis that you linked to because it says something that validates your whatever that’s proximately whatever and makes you feel superior. Check and Mate.

  35. My beef with the atheists is there need to impose their will on others. Our school had a Christian club that met Tuesdays and Thursdays at 7am, an hour before class started. We ate pancakes and said a prayer, nothing major. Atheist groups for the 4 years I was a part of it attempted to shut down our club in spite of the fact that were not forced or prohibited from attending. If you don’t want to be a part of it, fine, but don’t force your hollow existence on me and mine. My faith is part of the education process for my children. That is how we prevent them from becoming progressives and democrats by teaching them morality, ethics, and right from wrong.

  36. “My beef with the atheists is there need to impose their will on others.”

    That’s not an atheist need it’s a “liberal” need, and those 2 things are not necessarily the same.

  37. Rio is supplying 450,000 condoms to the athletes at the coming Olympics.

    Isn’t that special! Does ‘coming’ refer to type or time of event?

  38. Rare is the atheist who did not feel the need to assist others in conforming with their belief system.

    Didn’t you just define evangelical Christians to a tee?

    As for the breakfast club, I could go either way. You are right that membership in the club is not mandatory so why not live and let live? On the other hand, there is a place for parents to send their kids if religious instruction/practice is desired … it’s called parochial school.

  39. “On the other hand, there is a place for parents to send their kids if religious instruction/practice is desired … it’s called parochial school.”

    Wrong. There all kind of clubs.

  40. Interesting that a quick Google reveals “radio silence” about the wikileak mail dump except for Breitbart and The Hill. Seems important enough that ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, WAPO, Politico, etcetera should be on it.

  41. “there is a place for parents to send their kids if religious instruction/practice is desired”

    What if the parents aren’t religious but it’s the kid desiring the instruction/practice?

    I don’t see why there has to be an “on the other hand” that follows the statement “live and let live”. If someone is doing something that doesn’t hurt anyone else they should be free to do it. That goes for anything and everyone and should be enough to protect liberals and conservatives, alike.

  42. Wrong. There all kind of clubs.

    Ehhhh no, not wrong. The only thing that saves this is it was not during school hours. Even so it was in a public school building paid for with tax dollars. So I’m being charitable to even suggest the possibility of just letting them do their thing. I’m nice that way. 😊

  43. . If someone is doing something that doesn’t hurt anyone else they should be free to do it. That goes for anything and everyone and should be enough to protect liberals and conservatives, alike.

    Doesn’t that describe libertarianism? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    When Rabbit and Noah agree to the Muslim prayer club, I’ll be convinced of their “there are lots of clubs” attitude.

  44. Maybe she is Rutherford. The world is full of aspiring actors. But this one has a pretty extensive internet profile, and none of it includes acting. Of course, it could all be cover… But why?

  45. I am sincerely interested in your take on the other part of that comment, Rutherford.

    “What if the parents aren’t religious but it’s the kid desiring the instruction/practice?”

    Also, could Noah clarify if this was a college setting or not? I took that it was and I think Rutherford isn’t.

  46. Rutherford, I can understand why you fail to grasp the obvious as self preservation has never been your strong suit, nor common sense.

    No thinking person equates Islam to Christianity. Islam is unlike anything else in this world and has no valid comparison. Islam would see you meet the most horrific end yet you, along with most of the radical left defend it with your dying breath. Islam, by its own actions, not mine or anyone elses, has made itself the enemy of civilized man. Christianity is a volunteer only organization. Islam seeks to dominate. Christianity is peaceful where Islam demands complete submission. Christianity along with the rest of the world evolved from the dark ages. Islam has not.

    As for the setting this was a high school setting.

  47. @ ET perhaps I misunderstand the argument but to highlight a case that has a “christian nation” affirm the decision not to naturalize a christian seems odd.

  48. What if the parents aren’t religious but it’s the kid desiring the instruction/practice?
    Peer pressure religion lol
    I’m going to throw Rutherford a bit of support. If a club with religious roots was focused on fellowship as opposed to discipleship/evangelism I say leave it alone. Once they exit the fellowship zone though they’d have to be banned.
    I have always wondered why people allow others to provide religious instruction to their kids without some vetting.

  49. It’s the dicta not the holding. The quotes basically stand on their own. The fact that they form the analysis makes the point.

    Hell, Obama himself laid his hand on Lincoln’s bible when he was sworn in. It’s absurd to say that we are not a “christian nation” in the rational meaning of the term and evidenced in the cited cases and others.

    And so there’s no mistake, whatever point R thinks he’s scored with this silliness has nothing to do with it as I stated in my comment unread R:

    “Your beef ain’t with me Sir. It should be with all those who want prayer in school, creationism replacing science and a nativity scene in front of city hall.”

  50. I’d like to know when Rutherford has truly been out by Christians for some reason. I can cite plenty of personal experiences from atheists, PC crowd and religious affirmative actionists. But what is all the anxiety about on a personal level from practicing Christians and pizza shop owners and anti-abortionists and creationists etc. etc. etc.?

    Methinks it’s more of the majority/oppressor/victim/how-dare-you-believe-something-I-don’t you anti-intellectualist bullshit and nothing from the real world. KInd of like Michelle’s horrible act of discrimination at Target when an old white lady asked for help reaching for a product on the shelf — that old racist bitch. 😆

  51. I don’t think we’ve ever had any practicing muslims comment here and defend their faith from those who claim they know anything about it. And plenty here CLAIM some sort of knowledge. We’ve plenty of psuedo christians thinking they’ve got a clue. Many of our founders were freemasons, rather than christians. Freemasons are NOT christians, though many of them don’t know that – yet.

  52. Of course they can have a Muslim Prayer Club. You can’t stop that.

    Doesn’t matter if its “evangelical”. Oooh… The horror…. The animal activist club is seeking memebers!

    We have a Bible Club and LGBT Club amongst probably 50 others.

    Public Schools have long been a forum for things that are not curriculum based outside the school day.

    The Bible Club does stuff like this. 250 kids show up early to school, hold hands and pray for the 1st graders slaughtered in Newton. Or, they meet, and read some scripture before school starts.

    Fascists be damned!

    A kid can also make good use of the 1st amendment during school as long it’s not interrupting instruction.

  53. Definitely no indictment. Obama and Hillary are out there campaigning together. Lynch didn’t give a shit about climbing onboard the Clinton rapecraft.

    Want to wager Obama and Hillary will be talking about “trust in government” by the end of the day?

  54. Incredible how the dems always skate. The Clintons set the precedent. Just wait it out and it all goes away.

    As I’ve said, the left cares nothing about corruption in its own ranks. Nothing at all.

  55. Yeah….. The only hope is wikileaks isnt full of shit. But after that bullshit dump last night… I think they are bluffing.

  56. Looks like a nothingburger. Just explaining that the investigation will be delayed long enough to install Hillary at which point she is pardonable and gets to remain in office.

    Maybe we should be demanding that the cost of the investigation be born by Hillary since she brought it on herself.

    Anybody loving on the old “put the schedule into the burn bag” routine? Why the fuck would her schedule be subject to destruction for legitimate purposes while she claims the private server was for convenience? Any guesses.

    (pssssst. the magic terms are Blumenthal, Clinton Foundation and quid pro quo — words the transparent Obama is willing to ignore because. . . he can).

    So, what are the Christians up to today? Oppressing the Lawson household with all of their hate?

  57. A couple of quickies:

    1) Huck, kids ultimately do what their parents let them do unless things have gone off the rails. If a kid wants to explore religion and he has radical atheists for parents, he’s out of luck. I personally have no problem with my kid getting instruction about religion if she wants it. So far, she’s not interested but then again she’s only 12.

    2) Noah if I put the word “radical” in front of your every use of the word Islam, I agree with you 150%. Unfortunately, you, like so many, have characterized an entire religion by its worst actors.

    3) Tigre your Obama hand on the bible thing is asinine. If GOD FORBID we ever get a Muslim president he will probably put his hand on the Koran. Secondly, MUCH of what we do in practice defies the lofty ideals of our founders. “All men are created equal” was bullshit from the very start BUT it has been a beacon to light the way toward a better country.

    4) Finally, the administration and school board decide public school policy. If they jointly approve Christian prayer clubs, so be it. And atheist tax payers have every right to gripe – not a right to disrupt – but every right to gripe and have their concerns heard by the school board.

  58. “Finally, the administration and school board decide public school policy. If they jointly approve Christian prayer clubs, so be it. And atheist tax payers have every right to gripe – not a right to disrupt – but every right to gripe and have their concerns heard by the school board.”

    Oooh. Good point. People have a right to express themselves. Man…… That destroyed those of us who were saying…. Uh… People have a right to express themselves.

  59. rutherford, you are so fucking incapable of following a point, please just let it go. The topic is the founding of our country and the “christian nation” — your fucking post. Not what you think it should be; what it is. I am not advocating anything other than the truth about our country’s foundations which are not dependent on what OBama or you believes.

    I’d say go back and read what I wrote but your usual juvenile antics that will follow are too fucking annoying. I’ll leave your ignorant ass to believe what it will. You found an article you like for the 4th. Good for you.

  60. FBI:

    • 110 emails had classified info
    • 8 chains top secret info (Obama lied, Clinton lied)
    • 36 secret info
    • 8 confidential (lowest)
    • +2000 “up-classified” to confidential
    • Recommendation to the Justice Department: file no charges in the Hillary Clinton email server case.

    My favorite to big to jail comment:

    “To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
    To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.”

  61. Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,

    This is a better quote Rabbit. Evidence of violations but no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. I’m sure David Petraeus is happy to hear that.

  62. Only in this sick new reality does the FBI come out and say that it’s assumed that Clinton gave the entire State Department to the Russians et al and Clinton supporters claim victory.

  63. Obviously, Comey is not quite the “brave, straight shooter” than we’ve all been told he was. Face it. Like Roberts on Obamacare, Ryan on the budget and immigration, and the greatest majority of the gutless Republican Party, it should come as no surprise Comey squishy about rocking the boat against the Clintons and the media. There are very few spines in DC.

    I’m not impressed with the honest man if his honesty doesn’t lead to justice.

    I would have been shocked had Clinton been charged. This is no surprise. After all, DC is a whore house filled with disappointment, dishonesty and failure each and every day that passes these days.

    I don’t see than anything worthy comes out of Washington anymore.

  64. What I also know, because I handle a lot of classified information, is that there are — there’s classified, and then there’s classified,” Obama told Fox News. “There’s stuff that is really top-secret, top-secret, and there’s stuff that is being presented to the president or the secretary of state, that you might not want on the transom, or going out over the wire, but is basically stuff that you could get in open-source.”

  65. “Noah if I put the word “radical” in front of your every use of the word Islam, I agree with you 150%. Unfortunately, you, like so many, have characterized an entire religion by its worst actors.”

    I have taken 2 college level courses on Islam. One from an anthropological perspective and the other from a philosophy of religion perspective. Your comment suggest you do not fully grasp exactly what Islam is. Islam is not a cherry picking endeavor, it is an all or nothing philosophy. Islam governs everything. How you live your life, your spirituality, your economics, from how you run your home to how you run your nation. It is an all inclusive way of life.

    You can rape, marry and divorce per-pubescent girls Quran 64:4
    You can enslave for sex an work. Quran 4:3, 4:24, 33:50, 70:29-30
    You can beat women Quran 24:4
    You will need 4 Muslim male witnesses to prove a rape Quran 24:4
    Kill Jews and Christians if they do not convert or pay a Jizya tax Quran 9:29
    Crucify and amputate non-Muslims Quran 8:12, 47:4
    You will kill non-Muslims to receive 72 virgins in heaven Quran 9:111
    You will kill anyone who leaves Islam Quran 8:12, 47:4
    You will kill and be killed for Al’llah Quran 9:5
    You will terrorize non-Muslims Quran 8:12, 8:60
    Steal from non-Muslims Quran Chapter 8
    Lie to strengthen Islam Quran 3:54, 9:3, 16:106, 40:28, 2:225

    This last one, the Taqiyya, the Islamic deception, is a critical point to understand. Muslims are taught to deceive the kuffar (non Muslims) about their true beliefs in order to defend the cause of Islam and Jihad. Muslims will attempt to disassociate Islam from terrorists acts in order to win sympathy and pubic opinion, especially in countries where they are outnumbered by non-Muslims. They will say that such an act does not represent the “true Islam,” when in fact it does.

    Over 60% of the Quran contains verses about killing the kuffar, or forcing them to live under servitude as dhimmi and pay a heavy tax. Dhimmi’s must defer to Muslims in all manners whatsoever.

    Islamic Sharia law requires all Muslims to pay a charity tithe called the Zakat. A portion of Zakat is required to be used to fund Jihadists, such as Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliband and ISIS. If they truely opposed terrorism, they would not pay the Zakat. Its worthy of note that of the over 23,000 terrorists acts committed since 9/11, more than 90% are committed by Muslims. Which is of course in direct contradiction of the media’s reporting that would have you believe that it is the NRA Christians going around killing everyone.

    So, as you can see, the term radical is probably misplaced. The radical is the Muslim that does not subscribe to all of the parts of the Quran and is hunted down by the majority.

  66. I’m sure glad to see I don’t have to teach people here about Islam now that we have a scholar with 2 whole classes under his belt.

  67. I honestly can not think of one thing I think worthy of a great country coming out of Washington DC since 1996 – welfare reform act. Somebody help me out.

    Each day that passes, our federal government becomes more intrusive, more expensive, more feckless, and more dishonest.

    If that’s not the recipe for a banana republic, I don’t know what is.

  68. What rational person would take a degree in Islam? I am not sure what colleges you attended by 2 semesters for me was more than adequate time for me to grasp the fundamentals. One class to gain an understanding of the philosophy and another to put it all in its proper historical context. As my academic superior on the subject you are of course welcome to point out each and every error, misstatement, and/or false claim I made.

  69. “I’m sure glad to see I don’t have to teach people here about Islam now that we have a scholar with 2 whole classes under his belt.”

    Are you a part of this charade, Huck?

    What brings you back this way, Noah?

  70. What this news about Hillary tells me is we (Conservatism) lost probably sometime around the beginning of the 2nd term of Obama. For a year we have been told that when it comes to espionage that intent does not matter. Why Snowden gave classified material to the Russians does not matter. Why Hillary removed classified material from a secure location to a non secure location that the Russians hacked does not matter. To our national security interests, both acts cause classified material to end up in the hands of the Russians.

    We know Hillary lied under oath. We know that a Federal Judge ruled that elected officials cannot use a private email to avoid FOIA requests. We know Hillary and her foundation is involved in illegal pay for play activity.

    I cannot imagine any event that would have me voting for either Democrats or Republicans again, at any level of government. Every vote I cast from this point forward will be to promote a 3rd party candidate and to hit the flush handle for the seated R or D person currently in office.

  71. What brings you back this way, Noah?
    muffy , July 5, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    A change of pace. I have spent the last couple of years building a political group on Facebook. The problem with a successful group such as that is that I spend most of my time babysitting and moderating to keep things civilized and I dont get many opportunities to have discussions. I add 20-100 people a day that I have to vet so that the group isn’t filled with porn and selling products. Success didn’t turn into what I had hoped, not that it is all bad, just more pain than reward.

  72. There is no point in getting angry over a decision we expected.

    I remember drawing criticism on line somewhere when I wrote that we are being subjected to a fascist foreign regime. If the blog still existed, I would return to gloat.

    One major achievement since 1996 is our space program.

    I took a course in Middle Eastern History when I was in the Air Force. Does that make me a half scholar?

    I will vote for Trump at least once, maybe five or six times.

  73. You didn’t claim to have a grasp on the fundamentals, you held up what can amount to a busy summer of coursework and then told Rutherford he did “not fully grasp exactly what Islam is”…as if to suggest that you do and that we should put some heavy weight into your copy&pasted chapter numbers and Arabic words.

    Look, I think it’s great that you took some courses on the subject and learned a little about it. But if you think 2 classes is enough for you to grasp even the fundamentals, then you’re missing out on a lot of fundamentals. There is so much more to explore than just Anthropological and Philosophical perspectives, and if you are truly interested in learning about this complex religion and the society around which it is based I encourage you to dig deeper with your courses. Classical Islamic history is a fascinating topic, which leads well into Modern Islamic history. Go check it out and learn a little about the hows and whys and not just the whats. It won’t necessarily change anything for you, but at least you’ll know more about which you speak and have a stronger foundation from which to spout your overgeneralized bullshit.

  74. “Are you a part of this charade, Huck?”

    I don’t know what that means, but what you see is what you get with me. I don’t have time for games here.

  75. Huck. Its not that I have been naive about how our government is. It is more that I have never really felt I had evidence that moved me ‘beyond all reasonable doubt.’ Maybe I held on too long and too hard to the notion that we had a chance to turn things around and remove the corruption that has taken over our government. I have come to the conclusion that our government is nothing more than theater where they shuffle those on stage for the sake of appearance but ultimately nothing but the will of those in power is represented and the will of the people is nothing more than a long forgotten illusion.

    I learned yesterday that Hillary had received more than 400 delegates before the first vote was cast. Republicans are doing everything they can to subvert the will of the people. If in our electoral process the only choice we have is the choice they give us, we really don’t have a choice or a say in how our government is run. A dictatorship does not necessarily need to be run by one individual. One large group and effectively do the very same. For the low informed, the appearance of having a choice seems to be enough.

  76. Huck, did you notice that you opted not to disprove a single thing I claimed. You judged me and made generalized comments that did nothing to further the conversation on the subject of Islam. Yustam Bilakonga, Dharmayuwati Pane, Haque Fawzi, Sri Bumulo, Mohamad Zulkifli Igirisa and a handful of other individuals over the past several years daily discuss Islam in the world. Some are voices in support of Islam, others are voices of warning. I do this 7 days a week for hours a day. I have spent hours on Skype with trying to grasp this subject.

    You assume a lot of my ignorance yet reveal none of your enlightenment on the subject. I offer myself up for you to humiliate on this subject and show me up. Show me what I have wrong. Go out of your way to shut me down and show me no mercy. I will tell you in advance that I believe you will fail at this endeavor.

  77. Huck, Noah might be a broken clock stuck on the right time kind of dude… But… I don’t see much that he says as incorrect.

    You called him out…. I think it’s on you to answer his challenge.

    Some of the stuff, like the Taqiyya or the Islamic deception, might not necessarily be very mainstream. Other bullet points of his are.

    You get really territorial over this subject.

    Simply calling him out as not an expert is weak.

  78. Noah, I have a simple question for you. If Islam is all that you say it is, why did my family take me on vacation to Istanbul when I was a little boy with 0% worry of anything bad happening? That could not happen today. Things have changed. A conspicuous subset of Muslims have moved front and center. I submit Islam’s history in the 20th century refutes your claims. This insanity we are seeing now, we did not see in the 1970’s. If Islam is what you say it is, the violence would be a constant.

  79. “why did my family take me on vacation to Istanbul when I was a little boy with 0% worry of anything bad happening?”

    Uh…. Because of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk?

    Go ahead and book the same vacation now in this new Islamist era. I just read about the good deals and the ghost town that is Hagia Sophia.

  80. Never in all my days on this blog did I think I would take sides with the National Review and Fox News. What Comey did today is a travesty of justice.

    The more I think about it, the more I think a third party candidate is not the answer. I think Americans this year should, en masse, boycott the vote. Simply refuse to participate in the farce. That way, regardless of who gets elected, the world will see this country with an 80% non participation rate – a de facto vote of no confidence in the system.

    Alfie put it beautifully on his blog. We are choosing between a lying criminal and a lying shallow moron. That’s no way to run a railroad.

    P.S. This time I won’t neglect to link to Alfie’s piece: https://valleyviewpoints.com/2016/07/04/happy-birthday-usayou-sickdivided-and-pathetic-country/

  81. Be careful, Rutherford. You don’t think this madness was not part of the 1970’s. It was, just in a less grand scale than now.

    This scene was not invented from nothing.

  82. Rutherford, you wrote you never expected to take sides with the National Review and Fox News.

    I did as I have reminded you lately. I didn’t consider specifics, but I knew our opinions would converge because you are more honest than many.

    Given Sofia Jannok’s parallel statements, maybe you will also become a fan of hers.

    “Sometimes, ya just want to yell.”

  83. Rutherford. These kind of actions by Islam have been a part of their history since the beginning. Example. Tamerlane. He murdered 17 million people. He enslaved 60,000 Armenians. He murdered 20,000 in Baghdad. Massacred 90,000 Hindus in one day. He destroyed 700 villages and made 28 towers of 1,500 heads.

    Our involvement in the affairs, as misguided as they were, has gotten their attention sooner than it otherwise would, but regardless we would have gotten to this point eventually. Their doctrine requires them to make this an Islamic world. Their second coming is triggered by human events which is to create enough chaos in the world that it is triggered. There is a method to their madness.

    Establish a Mosque
    Create an enclave
    Grow the population
    Resist the national authorities
    Institute a Sharia Constitution
    Secede
    Form their own Muslim country.

    Reference the formally Buddhist Afghanistan, the formally Hindu Pakistan, the formally Christian Lebanon. Reference Hamtramck Michigan

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-first-majority-muslim-us-city-residents-tense-about-its-future/2015/11/21/45d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

  84. And Comey says that they might pursue other people for the same things Hillary did, but not her because no reasonable prosecutor would. What a joke.

    Gotta love how Lynch was on the plane with Bill before the even interviewed Hillary and she knew at that point nothing would come of it.

    Fuck all of them.

  85. Flying around on Air Force One together. The so-called target of the investigation and the one that appointed Comey as FBI director.

  86. “To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

    As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.”

    Or subject to incarceration unless your name is Clinton.

    I hope the dems cheer loudly. Whoopie! She’s yours! And she won;t be prosecuted because she obviously did nothing wrong! Yippie!

    Too much integrity at the In N’ Out Nothingburger franchise headquarters.

  87. Go ahead and book the same vacation now in this new Islamist era.

    I guess you didn’t read my comment fully. No, I could not book the same vacation now. Things have changed, as you acknowledged in the words I highlighted.

    Uh…. Because of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk?

    OK I confess I had to do some reading to get your point. The first President of Turkey was long out of power when my family visited Istanbul. Again, if Islam were a consistently violent jihadist religion Ataturk could not have tamed it nor would it have remained peaceful long after his death.

    Erdogan seems to have a mixed record. I gather from the little I’ve read that he does indeed have a soft spot in his heart for radical Islam (or at least he seems less secular than his predecessors) without publicly advocating tor them. The airport incident was committed by non-Turks.

    Bottom line – a religion steeped in violence and jihad shows this quality throughout its existence. That has not been the case with Islam. It has also not been demonstrated that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide are not peaceful decent people.

  88. Can someone tell me how careless incompetence doesn’t equal gross negligence.

    Comey went out of his way to point out that Clinton’s server was less secure then my gmail account. It’s like he was saying… “you guy’s aren’t going to believe how reckless she was…get this…”

    He then goes on to tell us its assumed the entire server is in the hands the Russians et al.

    Is gross negligence only for peasants? Becuase he gave a stern warning to us peasants that there will be consequences if we pull this crap.

  89. “It has also not been demonstrated that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide are not peaceful decent people.”

    On the treatment of women alone, I think you would deem the vast majority of Muslims not to be decent.

  90. FBI Director James Comey held a surprise press conference on the Hillary Clinton email server case Tuesday morning.

    Comey was quoted as saying “Hillary is guilty as hell but I don’t want to die suddenly of mysterious causes so we will not recommend perusing charges at this time. “

  91. Islamic countries have not always had the jihad thing going for them. Muslims do appear ” genetically ” predisposed to authority, so do Russians.
    Not for nothing but in one shit hole country the USA unleashed the beast circa the 80s. We also caused another breeder nation to devolve in Africa and a credible case can be made that the West has caused Pandoras Box to be open elsewhere.
    Getting caught up with ancient history,grossly out of context to boot is a waste. Focus on post WWII and you’re in better stead.

  92. Rutherford, you are part of the problem.

    Blame me all you like. I never saw this coming. I never saw the personal email server coming. I never dreamed that the administration could be this arrogant.

    And while I might have been blind deaf and dumb, your side was screaming about the wrong things – claiming Hillary killed Stevens instead of focusing on the cover up. Your side always puts focus on the wrong stuff or overstates stuff so many others stop listening to you cos you sound like a bunch of drama queens. Then when the shit really hits the fan, you wonder why no one was listening to you. You contribute to a polarized environment in which no one is listening to anyone else – and then you blame me.

    You’re as much a part of the problem as I am.

  93. Decent peaceful people is not the point. The point is their degree of tolerance for predatory Islamists.

    A British poll showed over half of its resident Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal. Many also support Sharia law.

    An Orland leader who called for calm after the shooting had earlier said homosexuals should be killed mercifully.

    Many of these people are decent and peaceful. So were many Nazis and fascists.

  94. Is gross negligence only for peasants? Becuase he gave a stern warning to us peasants that there will be consequences if we pull this crap.

    Fuck peasants – WHAT ABOUT PETRAEUS????? What the fuck is going on here? There is precedent for a highly respected gov official to be brought to his knees over shit more benign than what Hillary did.

    I don’t agree with Noah on much but damn I think he may be onto something that Comey didn’t want to wind up in a landfill. This feels like Mafia-level intimidation shit.

  95. “And while I might have been blind deaf and dumb, your side was screaming about the wrong things – claiming Hillary killed Stevens instead of focusing on the cover up.”

    Forget sides for a moment. As I pointed out to you, I was on the cover up instantly.

    It’s the non stop lies and corruption we have showed you time after time.

    You had ample enough time to see this coming becuase of the comment section in this blog.

    You are a small part of this corruption.

    You telling me there isn’t a fact pattern?

  96. Obama is as much a part of this as anyone else, including the Clintons.

    And now Rutherford is upset.

  97. Hillary and Obama did kill Stevens without pulling the trigger. Their policies ultimately killed the four men.

  98. This has been a tough season for me. First, seeing Bernie go down in flames and now this. I’m very downhearted.

    I watched part of Comey’s announcement and he basically said “she’s guilty as hell and I’m not gonna do a goddam thing about it.”

    Hugh Hewitt says she was not indicted but she was convicted. Comey got to have it both ways – indict her in the court of public opinion but not formally.

  99. “Blame me all you like. I never saw this coming. I never saw the personal email server coming. I never dreamed that the administration could be this arrogant.”

    Well now you know. And nothing has changed. For that you are to blame.

    Her boss knew she had it. That’s most likely the reason for Comey’s faint of heart decision. How do you feel about this administration embracing her for her lies today?

    This administration isn’t just arrogant. They are victorious over goodness and honor and have ushered in an era of fame and shame from which we will not recover.

    “This has been a tough season for me. First, seeing Bernie go down in flames and now this. I’m very downhearted.”

    You’re lucky. After all, it’s just her character. Her ideology remains triumphant. You wouldn’t hesitate to vote for her ideology if anyone but she spouted it. You love most of what she says. That doesn’t sound so downhearted to me.

  100. Obstruction of Justice.
    Classified information on an unauthorized server.
    Destruction of evidence
    Multiple Federal Records Act violations
    Disclosure of classified materials to unauthorized individuals (Lawyer, IT person among others)
    Espionage
    Pay to play with the Clinton foundation.
    Failure to report/disclose contributions from other governments while she was SoT to her foundation.
    Removing the classified markings off classified documents and then transmitting them in an insecure/unauthorized way.

    Note the date and time, on 7/5/2016, Lady Justice was pronounced dead at the scene.

  101. Rutherford, your reaction reminds me of how our grand daughter reacted. Our daughter says our grand daughter and I have the most affinity for each other than any other members of the family. So don’t think my comment to you is any more hostile than to our grand daughter.

    She learned a lesson as you are learning.

    A couple of weeks ago as we drove back to Omaha from our home, our granddaughter purposely emptied a bottle of apple juice on my video camera.

    I chewed her out and my rejection was especially painful to her. She refused to say she was sorry. She cried and sobbed for twenty minutes. I told her she should be crying because she had just destroyed my camera.

    We returned to the family’s home, and she hurried upstairs to play with me. I told her she wouldn’t say she was sorry, so I didn’t want to be around her. I carried her back down stairs.

    Our daughter, who had just come home from work said “she’s only three.” I replied she could stay down stairs and play with her mother. Then, she said she was sorry, and we were pals again.

    Rutherford, I am as glad you are down hearted as our grand daughter was after she killed my camera. Like her, you deserve to be down hearted. I hope you suffer the pain for a while. You should have known better as you in a small way helped create the world as it is.

  102. “A portion of Zakat is required to be used to fund Jihadists”

    This is bullshit. There are a variety of categories ti which zakat can be given, and those fighting jihad do qualify. But there is no requirement that a portion of it be given to that. It’s not like every Muslim who gives zakat is mailing a portion of it to al Qaeda. It can be given to the poor, the needy, and others directly or even to those who administrate the zakat system, much like our taxes go to paying the IRS to collect our taxes. Who zakat goes to is optional and the decision of the person giving it or administering it. The claim that portions are “required” to go to anyone is nonsense.

    One of the primary methods of anthropology is to make micro-level observations and turn those into macro-level generalizations. If an anthropological perspective is all someone has to add to their survey course in religious studies, then all they are going to be able to provide are generalized perspectives. I know that won’t bother most here, because on this topic that is all any of you give or are interested in, anyway. We’ve long established that.

    Noah needs to cut with his bullshit appeals to authority. Nobody here cares about the size of the Facebook groups you’re in any more than they care about the 2 classes you’ve taken on a religion and society that has been around for centuries and spans a big chunk of the globe and its population.

    That is really all the time and effort in refutation that I am going to provide a group that doesn’t really care anyway.

  103. Clinton looked to the American people and told nothing but lie after lie when it comes to that server.

    But the big news story is she wasnt indicted.

    This is the house Obama built. Lie and lie some more. Move on.

    Lies…. Getting caught in bald face lies… Mean nothing any more. The sycophantic bloggers and leftist media will smoek screen it…. On to the next lie.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6ee62bc1899d45b1980f09fe750a7105/ap-fact-check-clinton-email-claims-collapse-under-fbi-probe

  104. “A portion of Zakat is required to be used to fund Jihadists”

    Yeah…I agree. That is bull shit.

    I do worry that many Muslims don’t even know where their money ends up and often times it ends up with the jihadists.

  105. Like our tax money doesn’t fund terrorism… 😆

    Too big to jail. Pretty bad when the people in charge of justice are scared to administer it.

  106. If we all concentrate hard enough, We should collectively be able to cause Hillary to combust. It would be a better effort than voting. Or hoping they will do the right thing. Eventually. Against. All. Odds.

  107. Huck, your objections are very telling. They come from an apologists perspective. Your objection to my content is over a single word. You don’t deny that is what the Zakat is used for but you want to say it is permissible because it does not quite go as far as being a requirement. Understanding of course that a few individuals in the hierarchy are making these choices, not each individual donor. Of course, if you understood the culture inside of Islam, when they believe they have a Caliphate and thus a justified jihad, that those who distribute those funds would not feel obligated to donate a portion of that to support the cause is ridiculous.

    What is even more telling is your progressive type attack to discredit me in ways that have nothing to do with the conversation. I didn’t post my information on my classes or my political group for any reason other than full disclosure as to the depth of my knowledge (to be taken as a positive or a negative) and my time spent exploring the topic. I don’t claim to be an expert but I am certainly not a novice. The fact that you made it personal to me suggest a motive. Like your excuse to leave the conversation, I don’t care what your motives or excuses are, only that you have/need them. It is also worth noting that you cherry picked one thing out of everything else and ignored the rest.

  108. @ Huck that pain you’re feeling in your head will go away if you stop banging your head up against the wall of a losing cause.
    Discussing historical realities with a Spencerite is like confronting a troofer with truth. You’ll get frustrated and the ignorant will not be enlightened or moved.

  109. Having read Alfie’s statement several times it seems the defense of this ”’so called”’ argument is that I am too ignorant or stupid to comprehend the subject matter. Possibly too dishonest to consider a point of view other than my own. As I cannot understand the use of the word spencerite in this instance I am uncertain but that seems to be the jist of what is being posted.

    All of the above is fine but all of the above is an intellectual out. I do my research and I draw my own conclusions and then I share those conclusions to have them scrutinized to see if I have made valid conclusions. There is no ego in any of this. My gut tells me that a few people are so out of their depth and that the terminology I use is so poorly understood that their only recourse is to make it personal, and again, that is ok. Its not like any of us were going to actually accomplish anything with having a discussion here or change one mind/perspective/life. Next subject.

  110. If you’re gonna hang for awhile at the bar and grill, you’ll probably want to download the Alfie to English translation app. It’s a free download and once installed is fairly easy to navigate. Be aware, however, it is proprietary, constantly updating, and will hog bandwidth as it constructs meaning out of meaninglessness.

  111. I think Alfie was referring to the thought of Herbert Spencer. Ideas evolve from simple and indefinite to the complex. After things reach a peak, disilution begins.

  112. Elric was a devotee of Robert Spencer. Man, did that get old.

    Discussing historical realities with a Spencerite is like confronting a troofer with truth. You’ll get frustrated and the ignorant will not be enlightened or moved.

    Could not have been said better.

  113. “If you’re gonna hang for awhile at the bar and grill, you’ll probably want to download the Alfie to English translation app.”

    that actually made me lol.

  114. Noah, my problem with you is I think you might be a shad in real life.

    What’s a shad?

    The kind dude that has a punchable face?

    What’s a punchable face?

    The kind of face that one can not articulate why it would be fun to punch. You just want to.

    I would have to probably pick your brain a 1000 times to find something I completely disagree with you about. After I find it, I’d want enter into mutual axe combat with you.

    Which would suck becuase

    A. I’m slow.

    B. I’d have to deal with your 24,000 facebook devotees.

  115. R, I can’t believe you didn’t join me for fava beans when you were in the area.

    I still can’t believe you didn’t give up hours of your life that you could never get back to see a bunch of young gymnasts cheered on by their stage-mothers. 😊

    You missed a great show dude. She placed first on uneven bars in regional competition.

  116. Not for nothing, I think he was talking about a monoclinic-prismatic white mineral containing hydrogen kinda thing.

  117. “You missed a great show dude. She placed first on uneven bars in regional competition.”

    Regional champ. That’s a big deal.

  118. I’d have to deal with your 24,000 facebook devotees.

    lol. You couldn’t unfriend them all fast enough. It would be a James style flash mob of unlikes that would take a half life to live down.

  119. So, Rutherford, anyone in your party the kind that would put together a lynch mob to keep this hardened criminal from being the donkey-face forerunner and possibly ascending to the supposed highest office of the land? Patriots much? We need some serious purging of what ails us.

  120. Regional champ. That’s a big deal.

    A college recruiter saw her at the gym and asked the coach “how old is she?” When the coach said 12, the recruiter said “damn, too young.”

    So I may not get my second generation Harvard grad but I may get a free-ride scholarship to University of Alabama. LOL

  121. So, Rutherford, anyone in your party the kind that would put together a lynch mob …

    That’s no joke. When Justice is not served, people lose their bearings. Rodney King riots an example.

    I’ve been holding back tears all day seeing the whole thing come crumbling down. Obama campaigning for her … a proven fucking liar … and he’s singing her praises. Condemning Republicans in one breath while talking about unity in the next. And I know in my gut he hates her. It’s all one big fucking charade. And the country’s future is at stake. This ain’t small potatoes.

    So yes Poolman, if the government keeps playing fast and loose, someone is gonna blow a gasket and do something stupid. And then everyone will wonder why.

  122. I can see the whole FB thing was taken in a way I did not intend. I did not intend to make the inference that getting a group to 24k was an accomplishment. Once I thought so, now that I have accomplished it a few times its just a formula to be repeated over and over again and requires no special skills or talent. I’ve had posts reach more than a million people, again not an accomplishment. With FB at least its just creative marketing.

    The purpose for bringing it up was to show that I have had thousands of people involved kicking my thoughts around from nearly every angle. I am sure Rutherford can attest to this but as admin of my group I have a contingent of people who get off in a big way to prove me wrong. Not because they actually disagree with me but they just want me to be proven wrong and they want others to witness me taken down. Goes with the territory, so much so that I no longer care.

    DR, I am not actually a dick in real life, I just play one on the internet. I have a physique for radio so I am sure our axe fight would be short but hilariously entertaining.

  123. Stupid would be selecting her and then swearing her in.

    Everything else is more reasonable, forgivable, and for sure recoverable.

  124. Rutherford, you did say something I overlooked earlier that I must admit was brilliant and with your permission I would like to steal it and promote it. A voting sit-out. Trump is obviously the lesser of two evils by a long shot but nothing would please me more than to have record turnouts for the primary and then have a historic low voter turn out in the general election. I think it is the perfect way to send a message to the political elite.

  125. I prefer to see them spontaneously combust. I mean the mind is a pretty powerful thing if we can all focus. Like a magnifying glass… focus.

  126. It was starting to consume me, today.

    And if that’s me, imagine the unbalanced motherfucker with nothing to lose?

    If it’s a violent response by some nut, I hope he leaves civilians and regular joes out of it.

  127. It was starting to consume me, today.
    And if that’s me, imagine the unbalanced motherfucker with nothing to lose?

    For once we are on the same page. I knew today was perhaps a probability but I never expected to be this distraught. I can’t even beat to watch MSNBC laugh it off. I swear on my pagan god I’ve been watching Fox all night. I’m not kidding.

    Blame me all you want. Can’t make me feel much worse quite frankly.

  128. Noah, this is actually my second stab at the vote boycott. I tried to start a DC primary boycott when Obama endorsed Clinton BEFORE the primaries were even over. It went absolutely no where.

    Feel free to spread the idea to the 28,000 on FB. I had already decided to throw my vote away when Bernie lost but if a boycott gets some legs, I will support it.

  129. Do you know how messed up I have to be to watch that asshole Hannity?

    By the way, how does anyone watch the O’Reilly Factor without cracking up?

    She’s too cute by half but Megyn Kelly delivered a scathing opening on Kelly Files tonight. Paul Ryan is going to ask Comey to turn the entire case file over to Congress.

  130. One final thought for the night, how do I explain this to my kid? She already asked me “I don’t understand. She lied.”

    Yup she lied and I told my kid matter of factly that nothing will happen because of it.

  131. Sorry, I lied, one more thing. Everyone on tv tonight said that as Comey recited the counts against her, they were sure an indictment recommendation was coming. Then, a 180.

  132. Paul Ryan is going to ask Comey to turn the entire case file over to Congress.

    Because they are capable? Face it. There are no longer checks and balances within our government. It’s full on graft and corruption. The veneer no longer conceals what is underneath. Ryan is just another picador.

  133. Rutherford, I am probably wrong about which Spencer. It was gross negligence on my part. Since my intent was pure, and I didn’t lie, Herbert it is.

  134. Theyd have had to indict the president.

    “Only a very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” Comey said. “But even if information is not marked ‘classified’ in an email, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

  135. The fish stinks from the head.

    “I guarantee there is no political influence in any investigation conducted by the Justice Department of the FBI, not just in this case but in any case. Full stop, period, guaranteed. Nobody gets treated differently when it comes to the Justice Department because nobody is above the law.” -Stinky BO

  136. hILLary CLInTon

    “In essence, in order to give Mrs. Clinton a pass, the FBI rewrote the statute, inserting an intent element that Congress did not require. The added intent element, moreover, makes no sense: The point of having a statute that criminalizes gross negligence is to underscore that government officials have a special obligation to safeguard national defense secrets; when they fail to carry out that obligation due to gross negligence, they are guilty of serious wrongdoing. The lack of intent to harm our country is irrelevant. People never intend the bad things that happen due to gross negligence.”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

  137. Lying Democrats and some Republicans have been around for awhile. My wife during her last years of teaching told her students how our government used to function and then she told them the reality.

    The American Mirror wrote that last month, Nancy Pelosi stopped traffic and parked in front of a fire hydrant to buy shoes at a California store.

    The chasm between important and little people would make a good campaign issue if Republicans were smart enough to see it.

  138. Muffy, I am a fan of the “no reasonable prosecutor would seek an indictment. . . ” The only reason COmey offered that (a standard that is beyond the ken of the FBI/Investigator) is because Lynch (who has now apparently been promised a job by Hillary) abdicated that responsibility to the FBI after her secret meeting with Bill to discuss grandchildren — a point Rutherford lacks the ability to comprehend.

  139. Hannity and O’Reilly are insufferable. Sometimes they have worthwhile guests, but I don’t know how anyone can watch either of those two for any length of time.

    Now. I wonder what Bubbles Brezinski has to say. Maybe a scoff or look of disgust?

  140. Tigre’s link contains the offensive to me term “People of color.” I am white, and white is a color.

  141. If Hillary wins the election, we’re totally fucked as a nation.

    If Republicans act like democrats we’re totally fucked as a nation.

  142. Outside, of online snippets, I haven’t watched cable news in 3 years. It’s not healthy.

    I will tune in for breaking news sometimes, like yesterday… But that’s it. I don’t even have cable. I use some ap called Sling on my Amazon Firestick. Only has CNN.

  143. because Lynch (who has now apparently been promised a job by Hillary) abdicated that responsibility to the FBI after her secret meeting with Bill to discuss grandchildren — a point Rutherford lacks the ability to comprehend.

    You just never quit do you, knucklehead? Ok, educate my ignorant mind. Who charges, the DOJ or the FBI? I thought the FBI was investigative. I thought it was analagous to cops (investigative) bringing evidence to a district attorney (the one who actually issues the indictment).

    Strictly speaking; Lynch abdicated to the career prosecutors in the DOJ and said she would not overrule their decision. (By the way she even waffled on that statement.)

    In fact, one of the criticisms I heard against Comey last night (not on MSNBC) was that his statement overstepped his bounds. His job is to turn over evidence to the DOJ, NOT tell them what to do. He should not have weighed in on what a “reasonable” prosecutor would do.

    Lynch made Comey the fall guy for delivering the bad news. I bet we will never even hear from the DOJ now. But that doesn’t mean she abdicated to him. It means she USED him to deflect attention from her.

    The decision to indict still hasn’t been made. That is up to the DOJ and as I said that decision will be on the down low because Comey already took the bullet for them.

  144. Now. I wonder what Bubbles Brezinski has to say. Maybe a scoff or look of disgu

    Bubbles looks about to cry and Joe’s hair is on fire. Mika has been very critical of Hillary throughout. She is the rare liberal broadcaster who has not sugar coated this.

  145. Noah, in addition to Rabbit’s “Rock the Don’t” I suggest the more straightforward meme “Stop the Vote”.

    Ideally there should be a picket line in front of every polling place so those who cross can be seen as scabs.

    Maybe we can enlist the New Black Panthers to help? 😂😂😂😂

    That last sentence was a JOKE.

  146. Theyd have had to indict the president

    Muffy does have a point. An “expert” last night said that the “should have known better” standard would apply to everyone in those email chains, potentially exposing all of them to prosecution. That conceivably would include the president.

  147. @ Rutherford thanks for understanding,yes “Spencerite” is a disciple of the founder of Jihad Watch etc. His followers have a distinct persona especially on the web.Elric66)
    @ Room not for nothing but contrary to the hosts intent this place is in fact a political blog. I assumed people would get Spencerite via context and know link it to very popular terms such as Thatcherite,Clinotnite and McCarthyite. I was not exploring mineralogy.
    @ ET perhaps I’m not reading you correctly but since it isn’t the first time what exactly about “not for nothing” frosts you so?
    Obviously biased but in rereading my comments in THIS thread I fail to see the need for the Alfie-ese app. I concede the first time the joke was brought up it was on the tail of a rather squirrelly comment.

  148. “In fact, one of the criticisms I heard against Comey last night (not on MSNBC) was that his statement overstepped his bounds. His job is to turn over evidence to the DOJ, NOT tell them what to do. He should not have weighed in on what a “reasonable” prosecutor would do.”

    This is correct. As I said, again, the determination of what a “reasonable prosecutor would do” is called “prosecutorial discretion.” It is with the DOJ — but Comey did what he was clearly told and expected to do, i.e. relieve Lynch and her department of having to make this preordained finding. And again, as I said, the point is to protect Lynch and Obama by making this “determination” one initially made by the FBI to give the appearance of impartiality not the actuality of it. Impartiality does not exist in any of this. It’s total bullshit and, again, it comes from the top. Lynch doesn’t need to abide by her “career prosecutors” decision. She and Obama have already made it for them.

    I honestly don’t get why you argue with me about such obvious, common sense truths and gloss over what I’ve already said while generally agreeing with it. It’s just plain-assed annoying. It’s never truth until MSNBC tells you it is.

  149. That link further solidifies in mind that some people should NEVER be mothers. That child is merely a prop that ‘mother’ is using to try to control her ‘man’. People like that deserve to lose their privilege.

    And speaking of people that need to lose their privilege:

    CLINTON & THE LAWLESS OLIGARCHY

  150. “@ ET perhaps I’m not reading you correctly but since it isn’t the first time what exactly about “not for nothing” frosts you so?”

    Who said it frosts me? You just say it all the time. It’s part of your Alfie Speak. No frost whatsoever.

  151. @ Rutherford I want to offer that in your future visitations on the subject of America being a Christian Nation you may want to consider the following.
    The United States of America is NOT nor has ever been a Christian/christian nation but a nation founded by Christians/christians.
    This really speaks to me as to how we as a nation have made some of those very good and very bad decisions found in our history.
    I think ET has tried countless times to stress under no circumstances can the USA ever have been declared a theocracy by design,deed or desire and on that I agree with him fully.

  152. @ ET cool. I didn’t pick it up until I came home from the service and started hanging with some real old school Italians from East Boston. Fortunately that and a taste for cappuccino are the only permanent impacts from that time. Both a part of me now.

  153. I think that Christianity had more to do with the nations founding than just the original few being members of said religion.

    First, the constitutional framers built their structure upon the foundation of Natural Law — a God-centered world view. On this the founders were in agreement. But “Natural Law” to the entire founding generation was defined as the “laws of the Creator.” In a 1794 letter to the Massachusetts Legislature, Samuel Adams wrote, “In the supposed state of nature, all men are equally bound by the laws of nature, or to speak more properly, the laws of the Creator.” This is precisely why “Congress shall make no law …” initiates the First Amendment. Freedom of speech, of press, of religion had been given by God and no government can legitimately remove it.

    Second, it is interesting that the founders relied most heavily upon the Bible for their political justification for the Constitution. William Blackstone, Baron von Montesquieu and John Locke top the list of most-often cited theorists — all of whom believed that God’s laws undergird civil law. But the founders quoted another volume much more prolifically than any other. Biblical quotations comprise 34 percent of all the source material offered by the founders!

    Third, Supreme Court rulings for the entire first century of American existence boldly declared that “Christianity was a part of the common law of the land.” In fact, the Constitution is only officially considered to be one of the fundamental laws of the United States. The Declaration of Independence is another and is so stated in the U.S. Code. As Samuel Adams put it: “Before the formation of the Constitution … this Declaration of Independence was received and ratified by all the states in the Union and has never been disannulled.” The Declaration, which grounds our liberties upon God, was always considered to be interrelated to the Constitution in the same sense as articles of incorporation are related to the bylaws of a company. The Articles bring the entity into existence and the bylaws manage how that entity is to be run. Thus, the founders needed not place their sense of values in the Constitution since this had already been done in the Declaration.

    Fourth, the Constitution does, after all, mention God. Article VII reads, “done in Convention … the Seventeenth Day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America.”

  154. “Maybe we can enlist the New Black Panthers to help? 😂😂😂😂

    That last sentence was a JOKE.”

    Brought to you by another Obama DoJ.

    “If Republicans act like democrats we’re totally fucked as a nation.”

    If?

    “Your objection to my content is over a single word.”

    My objection is to your generalization, which is exactly what I said all along. My “cherry picking” was simply to expose your generalization and I don’t see where it requires multiple cherries to do so. You did it, I claimed you did it, I gave an example of you doing it, and exposed it for what it was. You might not have anything better to do, but I do. If you want to find something telling in that, please let it be that I have a job and multiple responsibilities that are higher on my priority list then repeated engagement with a Spencerite (thank you Alfie). Perhaps the amount of time you have to spend on this is telling that you have neither.

    I’m curious, if Rutherford should concede to your authority on the subject because you’ve had 2 classes–which is really the only reason you brought it up–then shouldn’t you concede to mine? Because I have had many more than 2. And THAT was really my entire point. Your bullshit appeal to authority. I thought I’d have made that clear. Perhaps you should stop trying to read into what is telling about what people write and try reading what they actually write.

  155. Fourth, the Constitution does, after all, mention God.

    The constitution doesn’t mention dog, but we know dogs exist. Lord and God are not the same word, even if you see them as the same, they are not. The god of this world is known to some as lord. So the problem with your whole thesis, although well articulated, is interpretation. Or opinion, if you prefer. You have a bias and see all things through that lens. That there are plenty who hold that same opinion matters not.

    Today we have a whole different culture. Word meanings and what has value are not the same as they were when this was penned. Christianity, as you define it, isn’t even close to the same everywhere at anytime.

    The church was a big reason there was even writings and often THE reason reading and writing was even taught. . The Bible was a household item in the west and like furniture and jewelry was passed from generation to generation. It always has been a best seller in the western world. The first printing press was developed to publish it. It is a part of our western vernacular, whether one adheres to any of its precepts or not. The year is according to the Gregorian calendar, also know as the Christian calendar which is still in use in the western world today.

    But much of the story content found in old testament Bible mimics other histories from other cultures though often the names are not the same. The principles found within the new testament follow much along the same lines as other religious tenets. Even native cultures that we displaced knew of the Creator. God is still subject to individual interpretation of what that even is.

    If you can read principles in the constitution that appeal to your belief system, then the founders were intelligent and inclusive enough in their word choices that it has stood the test of time.

    Truth always stands the time test.

  156. I’m assuming all parties concerned agree that the USA is not now or ever has been a theocracy. Am I correct in my assumption?

  157. Its interesting Huck that you have time to twice bitch and moan that you don’t have time to write a response while writing that response. I am happy to let you withdraw for any reason you want to create.

  158. If one took the position that the argument/discussion at hand could be viewed in tiers with a true theocracy being tier 1,and tiers 2&3 being Christian Nation and Nation of/by christians I still have to go with the USA being tier 3.

    The Declaration of Independence actually rails against Catholicism which doesn’t strike me as overly christian. In declaring against the Kings actions re Quebec:

    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighboring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

    I also have a problem thinking the DOI’s interrelation is not somehow muted by the Constitutions Supremacy clause.

    Natural Law accepts that the rights under that particular banner are open to all not just the faithful.Also a fundamental principle of Natural Law was to shake the common belief of the time that God favored the monarchs and therefore the monarchs gave rights. One can credibly argue that “freeing” people from human monarchy was more important than imparting God upon them. Locke also made clear that force in either direction of the church/state was inappropriate and illogical.

    The SCOTUS in the early days,as well as a number of leaders and legislators openly flaunted the Constitutional mandate found in the First Amendment. The fact they and others felt compelled to fight for more God in our nation seems to be indicative that there was a palpable lacking. That lacking was obviously intentional.

    I fully accept that the Founders assumed that given the masses in the new country overwhelmingly followed Christianity there was going to be christian principles and thoughts coursing through the country. I can’t shake the timeless and awesome foresight they exhibited in assuring freedoms though.

  159. I honestly don’t get why you argue with me about such obvious, common sense truths and gloss

    Oh damn! We agree again!

    On a related topic, Tigre, how long do you think the DOJ will take to permanently put the matter to rest? This reminds me of Clinton being called the nominee by many before we’ve even had a convention. Everyone is saying no indictment when the decision is still pending.

    Do you think there is the slightest possibility that the Chaffitz committee will sufficiently nail Comey to the wall tomorrow that DOJ may actually be forced to indict after all? Oh good lord that would be soooo sweet.

  160. @ Rutherford Lynch has accepted FBI recommendations. Case closed.
    IF ANYONE WHO BELIEVED IN BERNIE VOTES FOR HER THEY SHOULD DIE.
    Share that with your friends.

  161. I’m changing my not voting position. Unless he picks a complete turd for VP I’ll vote for Trump and consider it a vote for Ryan.

  162. “…We agree again.” That’s what I have been telling you, Rutherford.

    No, the US has never been a theocracy. If anything, our founding fathers who knew the evils of an established church wanted no repeat here.

    I care more about our grand daughter’s medical exam. She is still microencephelic but the shape of her head is more normal and proportional to her body.

    This time, the doctor is not as worried about the hole in our grand daughter’s skull. They will continue to watch it.

    Most importantly, the doctor has nothing to explain why our grand daughter is mentally normal and mature enough for pre- school at age 3.
    Compared to our little miracle’s progress, Hillary’s jail term has better odds.

  163. On a related topic, Tigre, how long do you think the DOJ will take to permanently put the matter to rest?

    Moot question. Apparently Lynch already closed the door.

  164. I’m still voting Trump. I hope he puts such a bad taste in the mouth of half this nation that we all become Constitution loving power hating anti-demagogue fuckers by 2020. Presidency needs to be checked.

  165. I am actually considering Trump, myself. I’m not happy with what the LP has done with its opportunity. I really wanted them to show me something and they haven’t. So if I don’t pull for Trump i will write in “None of the above”. At this point, I am still leaning toward the latter.

  166. Damn. I had forgotten it was my birthday reading Huck’s post and seeing the date. 😳 Wish the year would increment down instead of up. Gulp.

    I checked with the voting powers that be. I can skip the Presidential choice and not invalidate the entire ballot. So I was going to leave the Presidential line blank. And since Oklahoma is a given for Trump, I though “no harm, no foul.”

    But after this “investigation” thingy, it one again established how corrupt Washington DC really is. So I will vote Trump knowing fully well he’s no more qualified than I am, never forgetting Trump is a joke and a pompous ass.

    Trump would most likely be a disaster. But in the hope Trump might blow the system up and his name is not Clinton, I’ll go ahead and vote for him for the only reason in the unlikely event Trump wins, it scares the hell out of both Washington and the rest of the world.

  167. Great news on your granddaughter, James! Hopefully, I get to hold my first this weekend.

    I’m like you. There’s more important things anymore than politics. All I want with the federal government anymore is to quit treating the military like a rag doll, a whole lot smaller, and quit intruding on our damn liberties.

    And I fully expect just the opposite, no matter who is President.

  168. Thanks, Tex. And happy birthday.

    Hillary’s skating from a crime has other ramifications. Police officers shot two black men in La and Minn. What if they claimed an innocent mistake as Hillary did? What about other government workers who committed security breaches? Could some who are now being punished sue for penalty changes?

    I am more certain than ever that I will vote for Trump. I would wish Joni Ernst would run with him, because she is a good person and a friend from her home town knows her. She probably will stay in the Senate rather than risk the end of her career with Trump.

    I might hire some black and Hispanic aquaintences to vote for Trump. I could use the Hillary defense if I could prove I was a Clinton cousin.

    Almost as importantly as our grand daughter is the two severe thunderstorms which gave us enough rain to soak the ground after I planted a second crop of peas, beans and beets. I may be able to harvest one last pan of raspberries.

  169. I saw that massive line of thunderstorms on radar last night headed your way, James. Sure was wishing it was 500 miles south. 🙂

    There’s little doubt I don’t tolerate the heat as well as I used to. Older and fatter now. Mowed the yard in preparation for going out of town to make it at least presentable for my sister who will keep the dogs.

    Nice breeze, did the front yard with plenty of shade, sweated like a pig, watered stuff in, felt fine. Stopped and ate lunch. Big mistake.

    Came back out at 1:30. No breeze, heat index of about 110 – 115, mowed unshaded backyard. Stopped and drank couple of bottles of water and Gatorade. About 90 minutes into it, my hands start to shake and I start to feel nauseous. Know exactly what is happening. Pull out hose, doused my big hound and myself, mowed last few strips, still felt like chit.

    Bet I was minutes from heat exhaustion and not too far from heat stroke. I used to be able to tolerate Oklahoma heat all day, mid July. I can’t do that anymore.

  170. So I am watching Comey testify before Congress right now and I am not liking what I see. What we know now is that any level of incompetent is permissible at any level of government, to include the Secretary of State, as long as they are willing to testify that they did not know what they were doing was wrong. Even though they sign a legally binding document testifying that they understand how to handle classified materials, as long as they say after they mishandle them that they actually did not understand, there is no legal consequences for said act, even with special access classified material.

    Think about this for a moment. Does anyone here realize how low the bar has been set that a person who was first lady, a Senator, and a Secretary of State whose job is to handle classified materials can perform her duties incompetently (or so she says) and not have any expectation (legal consequences for gross negligence after having signed a document saying you understood the job) that they will be held accountable? All you have to do is say “oh, I didn’t know” and you are off the hook apparently.

    What Hillary did was 100 miles beyond what anyone else has ever done, a 100 miles outside of established procedures. The consequences for what she did was to send the message that the next SoT’s can do the same thing without fear of any legal repercussions.

  171. I’m glad you are all right, Tex. Age does creep up on one doesn’t it?

    My father had a similar problem when he was in his eighties. Had I not been with him, he might have died as you could have. We had to take him to the emergency room to correct dehydration. Then, he was fine again.

    That was quite a thunderstorm line. One of the network news shows, ABC, I think showed a tornado in real time as that line was beginning to develop in western Nebraska.

    The previous night, a capped atmosphere allowed only one dangerous thunderstorm to develop, and it moved over us. It caused more damage than last night’s storm.

    A cold front may set off more thunderstorms late this afternoon, but they may develop east of us.

    Hillary was apparently not under oath, and the interview was not recorded. Good work.

  172. These hearings are the best I’ve ever seen the GOP. Righteous indignation yet concise and articulate.

    Comey, a likeable guy no doubt, has admitted he was a tyrant. He feels gross negligence shouldn’t be the law and took it upon hiself to rewrite the law.

    The gravity of this, as Noah pointed out, is chilling. There are no consequences for our leaders going rogue with classified witth a goal of no transparency with Americans.

  173. So as this is Congressional questioning is wrapping up, what I have taken away from this is that Hillary was guilty of committing multiple crimes but because she was successfully able to prove that she was ignorant of committing those crimes and that she was able to keep this information from us until she was no longer working for the government that she is not able to be held accountable for any of her actions.

    There was gross negligence. It was either with Hillary, those around her, in those who educated her on how to handle classified materials, somewhere, or everywhere. But as we move our little finger and point and ask was it this person or that person, we get a “well from this perspective or because of these circumstances, no not really” type of response, ultimately leading us to a massive breach of national security where no one will be held accountable while also setting the precedence for other individuals to do the very same thing and not be held accountable.

    Watching this process has been the most physically painful thing I have ever experienced in politics. Any faith I once had in our system, in the process, and in our government is gone, completely.

  174. Happy Birthday, Tex! You’re catching up. 🙂 Is it double nickels or greater?

    I am acclimated to the heat and drink water all day. After morning coffee, of course. I actually like it hot. We’ve been getting pretty toasty, breaking some records last month. Now we get to experience a little humidity as we are in monsoon season. It doesn’t take long to break a sweat.

    Enjoy your grand baby and I hope your flying experience this time is as pleasant as it can be.

  175. So I am watching Comey testify before Congress right now and I am not liking what I see.

    I don’t take in much of the theater anymore myself. I wouldn’t put any faith in any of them to do the right thing. They are probably well versed in cya, especially with the ceSSPOOl we’re dealing with.

    I have been trying to post this link for 2 days, but it won’t let me. The following link without the spaces and http or www before it. Essentially Comey was working for one of the corrupt too big to fail/jail banks.

    e u r o i n v e s t o r . com / n e w s / 2 0 1 3 / 0 7 / 3 1 / h s b c – h o l d i n g s – j a m e s – c o m e y – r e s i g n s – to – b e c o m e – d i r e c t o r – o f – f b i / 1 2 4 3 1 0 3 3

  176. So I actually watched all 4.5 hours of testimony this morning. Some points:
    1) I disagree with Muffy (surprised?) that the committee meeting shouldn’t have happened. It was VERY enlightening. It reinforced why HRC is unfit for office. It also showed Republican congress critters in a rare moment of excellent execution of duty.
    2) Rabbit is right – Congress will pursue a perjury charge against Clinton – count on it.
    3) Hillary did not need to be under oath during questioning – you don’t take an oath when you talk to the police. Comey said oath is irrelevant – it is illegal to lie to the FBI.
    4) Speaking of which, that is one distinguishing factor between this and Petraeus. Petraeus lied to the FBI. Hillary, as far as they know, told the FBI the truth. She lied to us and Congress.
    5) Congressman Hurd destroyed Congressman Connolly after Connolly referred to the hearings as “political theater”. Hurd pointed out he was ex-CIA and felt it was deadly serious to discuss putting our national security at risk; I suspect the riskiest thing Connolly ever did was cross a busy street.
    6) The Democrats moaned that is was outrageous for Congress to question the prosecutorial discretion of the FBI/DOJ. Unfortunately, they didn’t address the fact that they question prosecutorial discretion every time a white cop is not tried for shooting a black man.
    7) To her credit, Dem Tammy Duckworth tried to address holes in the current classification and retention system with an eye toward solutions.

    Bottom line: Comey made a judgment call that many of us may not agree with but he justified it today quite well. I don’t think he’s a bullshit artist. It is troubling that Comey focused so much on inability to prove intent – but he said regardless of the wording of the statute, every prosecutor in the past 50 years has inserted intent into the mix. Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz were fantastic. Gowdy in particular. Together they put Hillary’s intent very much in question. But Comey stuck to his guns that intent could not be proven.

    Comey said consequences outside of prosecution should happen but it was not within his purview to exact such consequences. Now that she no longer works for the State Department, even State cannot “punish” Hillary even if they wanted to (and hell, she was head of State so who other than Obama could punish her?)

    One of the biggest headlines was Comey’s assessment that Hillary lacked the technical sophistication to know the risks of the server OR to even understand the various levels of security identification that might appear in a document. I call this the “mentally retarded” defense. This alone makes her unfit for office.

    I’d like to think this might influence the Democratic Party choice for nominee but it won’t. As I told my wife, she must be defeated at the voting booth and that, disturbingly means President Donald J Trump.

    Anyone interested can scan my Twitter account for live tweeting.

  177. “Hillary did not need to be under oath during questioning – you don’t take an oath when you talk to the police. Comey said oath is irrelevant – it is illegal to lie to the FBI.”

    First, that’s not necessarily true. Often times they’ll ask for an oath. And in this case it would certainly been appropriate.

    But more significantly, it wasn’t recorded. How could you prove that she lied? The notes of the investigator? Yeah right.

  178. I ain’t gonna watch 4.5 hours of this. Where’s the beef so I can call on Youtube for some assistance to get me to the meaty stuff?

  179. Thanks for the birthday wishes, guys and gal. I actually had lost track of time and woke up to my usual span of sites for the day, this being the first, and noted the date from Huck’s post late last night. LOL. Hell, it’s my birthday! The most uneventful one yet as my wife out of town and I’m meeting my family tomorrow in Dallas. Why, who doesn’t want to celebrate their birthday with their mother and no one else? 😈

    Tell you how stupid I am becoming. I need a new pair of slacks – fat ass has gained about 15 pounds over the last two years when I quit exercising because of my knees and my closet full of clothes is now useless. So I go buy one pair of slacks for the weekend. Had three pairs in my hand when I approached the register.

    I handed the wrong pants to the guy to bag. SO A B!!!! So now I get to go back to the mall which is like torture to me and start the whole damn process over again before my flight tomorrow.

    I’ve suddenly gone stuck on stupid.

    56, Pools. 55 Sounded better.

  180. The president doesn’t recognize the need for compliance to be a part of the discussion of incidents of police using their weapons. That’s not a judgment. People need to know what they can say and do without triggering the training that police officers go through that leads to their guns being drawn and used. The officer is the authority in any encounter and that is not clearly understood, it seems to me.

    It’s natural to want to know why you’re being confronted by the police. But if you’ve got a legal gun in your pocket there will be plenty of time to ask why later. If you’re doing something wrong, then you need to realize you’re busted right then and there and drop it. Do what the cop says and don’t do anything the cop doesn’t tell you to do.

    It’s an issue of behavior, not strictly race.

  181. One exception to doing what the cop tells you to do is so rare as to hardly need to be mentioned especially here but it’s not smart for a woman to pull over on a lonely road even for police lights. The alternatives are dicey but if she can get to a populated area she can try explaining why she didn’t stop.

  182. I can’t stomach these congressional hearings in general. They should abolish the statements and have only lawyers ask questions.

  183. But more significantly, it wasn’t recorded. How could you prove that she lied? The notes of the investigator? Yeah right.

    Yeah I see your point there.

    As for the highlight reel, see if you can find on YouTube Trey Gowdy’s first crack at Comey. That was a prosecutor to prosecutor inquisition well worth viewing.

  184. This was the GOP at their best. I watched 3 hours of it. Don’t feel like I wasted my time.
    Comey freely admitted he didn’t like the gross negligence part of the law so he chose to ignore it.
    Clinton may very well have lied to the FBI. While maybe an oath was not needed, the fact they didn’t record is beyond all belief. If the Feds come and interview you…. They will record. The fix is in.
    The GOP brought up several times, thanks to Comey and his FBI, nothing can stop Big Nanny from going rogue with email or leaking secrets as long as they don’t get caught until they are no longer employed by the government. Watch your back CIA and military… No one else has it if a protected liberal is the one leaking.

    Sorry for typos… Multitasking.

  185. I’m sure you’ve all seen the trending by now, but it still deserves to be pointed out that Rand Paul was the only senator from either party to vote against the confirmation of James Comey as FBI director.

    Gowdy’s questioning of Comey is really good. He is quite impressive and I’ve thought that before today.

    “I’d like to think this might influence the Democratic Party choice for nominee but it won’t. ”

    Bernie to endorse her next week.

    “Comey, a likeable guy no doubt, has admitted he was a tyrant. He feels gross negligence shouldn’t be the law and took it upon hiself to rewrite the law.”

    Which we have seen time and time and time again from this administration.

  186. “I’m not commenting on Minnesota shooting until a few days go by and we get the facts.”

    My comment was meant as a generality in direct response to the president’s generality.

  187. Which we have seen time and time and time again from this administration.

    This administration may have taken it to a whole new level, but it isn’t new. I remember Nixon saying it isn’t illegal if the president does it. There is a level of understanding with those in the system that they are entitled to do things that regular civilians cannot. It’s a 2 tier legal system. We serve a class where connections and wealth triumph over fair and honest. It always has been that way, with very few exceptions. But it was easier in the past to keep it all under wraps.

    Over time and factoring in technology, greed, and power, It has gotten well out of control. Now it cannot hide its evilness.

    This system cannot be fixed, which is all anyone claims they want to do, often stating a few tasty sound bite tweaks. The fix is already in and anyone that can get on air with any of the major broadcast networks has to have already agreed to play by their rules.

    That people even consider trump an alternative is laughable, but also sad. He is cut from the same cloth as hILLary. They are even related, though distant.

    So it boils down to which part of the bloodline will best not do their own clan’s bidding… or who would be the lesser of the 2 evils. Like that could be a good thing. Somehow. Some way. Choosing one somehow makes the outcome of this less painful is fantasy. Settling for any one of these 2 turds is not a choice. We should be able to demand better. Or refuse to participate. Flush these 2 and give us some actual humans to consider.

    Wilh hILL, you know what you are getting. With trump, you only know if you have researched him beyond the msm yourself. The media are in the same camp as he is. He has been made who he is by the very same media. These people are all on the inside. Smoke them out.

  188. Huck, outside the total weirdness when the Clinton Foundation came up and the the perjury stuff…. That Gowdy clip nails it.

  189. Tigre, the vid Huck posted is what I was referring to earlier for your highlights reel.

    I think Gowdy made one error by ending with a lecture. He should have challenged Comey to refute his assertion. I think that would have made it more powerful.

  190. Comey freely admitted he didn’t like the gross negligence part of the law so he chose to ignore it.

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but I don’t agree. Comey basically said he proved gross negligence. What he said is there is a judicial tradition of inserting “intent” into the statute even though it’s not there on the page … and that he had to follow precedent.

    I felt that he seemed unhappy with the law as it was written.

  191. That was good, Huck. Thanks for providing that. I don’t have the patience to watch the proceedings anymore as frankly, most of them disgust me.

    But once in a blue moon, somebody acts more like a good prosecutor than a hang wringing demagogue and greasy politician, and demonstrates what questioning should have sounded like.

    I don’t know about Comey. I don’t know what kind of man he is. Perhaps he’s neutral and honest. But I would be willing to guess Comey is also weak and had no personal interest to affect a political election – therefore in my opinion, Comey is milquetoast, believing the writing on the wall he would be the next Ken Starr and personally destroyed by both the media and the Clinton machine.

    Comey was probably hoping that demonstrating Clinton a liar would be enough, as if America didn’t know that, much like John Roberts thought Obamacare would be overturned by a will of the people.

    And they were both wrong.

    Once again, justice has not prevailed and the system failed. And once again, I believe the real problem is at least half the voting public could care less about honesty in an official.

    That’s an awfully bad omen about the future of this country if I’m right.

  192. “Comey, a likeable guy no doubt, has admitted he was a tyrant. He feels gross negligence shouldn’t be the law and took it upon hiself to rewrite the law.”

    Which we have seen time and time and time again from this administration.

    Again, I repeat, Comey had no problem with the gross negligence part of the law. What he “re-wrote” was the intent piece.

    As for Huck’s reply, I don’t equate Comey with “this administration”. He is a ten year appointee likely spanning admins from different parties. He is positioned to be bipartisan.

    What we see in Comey’s response is the glass half full/empty situation. His stance is that it would be unfair to apply greater scrutiny to someone based on their “celebrity” status – his word, not mine. Those who disagree are saying he is giving her a pass because of her celebrity status.

    Finally, compared to that perverted asshole J Edgar Hoover, Comey is a fucking hero.

  193. Facts don’t matter. A consequence, of course, is that lies no longer matter as well.

    Clinton would have been a sunk ship 25 years ago.

    The last 8 years have changed politics. I can’t believe how little fear the administration has of getting caught lying.

    The news is quick moving. Things don’t unfold in the print any more.

    An uncovered lie a month later means nothing.

    Even the term news evokes a word association with me as “live”. Anyone else?

    Personally, I can’t even read a fucking book anymore. My attention span is mush.

    The new rewired American brain doesn’t have the fortitude or stanima to fight our overlords.

    Text books are frowned upon in Education. They are evidence of a lazy teacher.

    It’s ten times worse with young people. Snippets of truth mixed with entertainment of they our out.

    The revolution needs to start as a sea change in our collective intellectual lifestyle.

  194. “Again, I repeat, Comey had no problem with the gross negligence part of the law. What he “re-wrote” was the intent piece.”

    No, you are wrong Rutherford. Comey said “gross negligence” was not there. He also said there was no intent.

    The law is either/or.

    With gross negligence he said there was no precedent or no reasonable attorney to take it on. He also said the Jistoce Department deemed that part of the law possibly unconstitutional.

    Confusingly, he did seem to imply gross negligence requires intent.

  195. Rutherford, I don’t care what his stated political party is or how many different one’s he has served. The FBI falls under the office of the Executive. The office of the Executive appoints the person and the office of the Executive can remove the person.

    He was appointed to head the FBI by Barack Obama. Period. He serves at the will of this administration. An administration that has regularly and continually rewritten the letter of the law. Comey’s actions are just another example.

    And seriously…you’re going to give us a “because J Edgar Hoover” to defend him? Pathetic.

  196. “Again, I repeat, Comey had no problem with the gross negligence part of the law. What he “re-wrote” was the intent piece.”

    I don’t follow.

  197. Rutherford has a massive stanky ass dead carp slapped on his face. He’s gagging from the smell like everyone else in the room. The difference is he insists the head of the fish smells good.

    This entire administration is very rotten.

  198. “Confusingly, he did seem to imply gross negligence requires intent”

    He didn’t even stop there. Once he was cornered and it was made obvious she did intend to break the law, he moved the goal posts to evil intent.

    You know, the state of this country right now has me to the point where I don’t think our government has any business passing judgement on any other country. We jail citizens who exercise free speech so we can protect lies. Our elections are a complete sham. Our justice system is a fucking joke. Corruption and graft and nepotism and cronyism and on and on and on. The world sees this. And then we’re going to lecture others on how to be?

  199. And just hours after Obama had to open his mouth about cops and race.

    The man cannot keep his fucking mouth shut….

  200. Expect these psyops all over the nation. They need to get to a point where martial law is declared, so they are going to ramp these up and everywhere. The last few have been pitiful attempts at reality, but it matters not. They are believable to duh mericuns. If the teevee says it, it’s gospel!

  201. One by product of an open carry state is that in times like this, everyone becomes a person of interest. Dude legally carrying a gun was just cleared as a suspect.

    Crazy shit.

  202. Don’t want to frighten her, Rutherford. Listening closely. That hospital they are being rushed to is one she works. Hopefully, she’s in bed asleep. Anybody know the time this all started? I was gone until just about an hour ago. At 10:06, I believe she was in her apartment.

  203. Apparently, my daughter must not have known this was even going on. She mentioned nothing while texting baby pictures a couple of hours ago. If I know her, the tube was turned to NetFlix. That’s my Netflix account that sometime back was co opted by a couple of young cuties. 🙂

    And the same thing will be happening to you within the next decade.

  204. Oh my daughter has already hit my Netflix. I had to block the app from using cellular service (limit it to wifi) cos she was gobbling up our monthly cellular allowance. 😟

  205. So I wonder if Obama will be making any comments tomorrow about blacks assassinating police officers after he saw fit today to call out cops for racism.

    Something tells me he won’t be generalizing as much in that discussion.

  206. “Something tells me he won’t be generalizing as much in that discussion.”

    President Community Organizer doesn’t know he’s that he’s also the POTUS for police officers too.

    Back when Obama intervened in the mishap with his “homie” and, after being dead wrong, had his beer summit… I knew what we saw last night would happen.

    Note to self. Punk Community Organizers don’t make good presidents.

  207. So what did hundreds of black people do after 11 cops were gunned down, 5 dead?

    Why, loot a 7-11 and mock police while dancing in celebration of course.

    I can remember my Grandfather teaching an 8 year old Rabbit to never back down to black bullying or they will turn savage.

    Learned alot from that immigrant behind the counter of a store that should have burned down in 67. I miss him to to this day. And always think of him during race war shit.

  208. “I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth.”~ Barack Obama

    Rings a little hollow and rancid after eight years, doesn’t it?

    I think the delusions of grandeur finally ended last night. Hope & Change…the Summer of ’68.

    And I would guess Barack Obama is still grading himself out at A-.

  209. Obama may have spoken the words, but he did not write them.

    Your comment reminded me of some song lyrics from Nahko that have been running through my head since I heard them:

    “My delusions of grandeur are all equipped
    With dark lords, back doors, and some wizard shit.”

    I think they supplanted some of the ones I’ve been carrying around for decades, like Neil Young’s “a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand” Always one of my favorites, even though Neil a sellout.

  210. I hope it is all right, rabbit.

    In Dallas, some blacks apparently celebrated the shootings and threatened more.

    Omaha will have a black demonstration at rush hour tonight for maximum effect on people driving home from work.

    We are still at home isolated from it all.

  211. “We are still at home isolated from it all”

    And city people think you guys are the dumb ones.

    James… I have no idea whats going on at the splash park, but it’s not good.

  212. I just read that when question, Comey said he is no longer registered as a Republican.

    I’m not, either. But my point is really addressed to Rutherford, who keeps pointing out the guy’s political party.

  213. This shit in Dallas makes got me thinking about Rutherford’s laugh out loud assertion that whites are more racists than blacks. That is soooo untrue. The virulent and violent racism in the black community is waaaaay worse than Rutherford knows or his media outlets will ever admit. And it is all stoked by the left and Obama in particular that tirelessly seek to validate, legitimize and exploit it. This militant racist anti social BLM shitshow was not borne in isolation. This is gonna get ugly.

    R, when you choose to fire back your”I know you are but what am I” bullshit, you better have some examples to match what we’re seeing everyday from white conservatives. It doesn’t exist. The racist conversations that occur routinely among blacks and in their households and are tolerated (if not encouraged) are nowhere in scale among whites.

  214. The shooter in Dallas said he wanted to kill white people, especially white cops.

    It was very courteous of him to express his evil intent to violate the law, since, you know, failure to do so makes prosecution difficult for any sensible prosecutor.

  215. Did Obama use the words “tone down rhetoric” today, like he did after the Giffords shooting in a thinly-veiled attempt to point a finger at Palin?

  216. We are hoping that nothing comes of it, rabbit.

    “No Blade of Grass” is just one novel which shows how vulnerable city folks are compared to rural hicks. “The Stand” is another.

    I don’t know that whites are any less racist than blacks. I do know whites are conditioned to be better behaved because to step out of line brings sanctions. Blacks are victims, so it is fine if they create new victims.

    Blacks need to be careful. Like the Japanese in WW11, they will learn how nasty whites can be.

    I know a sensible local prosecutor who would take on Hillary.

  217. Comey said Hillary was very negligent, just a pinch short of gross negligence. But without intent he would still not have prosecuted her if she was grossly negligent.

    Comey did not go after her for one reason in my mind. He did not want to be the guy remembered by the history books that altered an election.

  218. Baton Rouge good shoot.

    Alfie, this confuses me. In the MN shoot, the dude said he had a gun and i can actually see how that put cops on edge.

    The Baton Rouge shoot had the guy shot some six times while he was pinned on the ground.

    Are you getting your shoots mixed up? Otherwise I don’t get your logic.

  219. Lots of wisdom, foolishness, and the requisite dose of snark from Center Square in the recent comments.

    Two thoughts: could we really be looking at the most violent summer since 1968? I fear so.

    Second, whether or not the bar patrons like it, there is a perception problem among blacks that they are being targeted by white cops. In business we do root cause analysis. How do we get at the root cause of this problem? We go to separate corners and blame Obama or Trump.

    So I’m gonna take a different tack this time. No blaming. Let’s talk solutions.

    P.S. Must be MSNBC bias but I’m not seeing looting and celebration of dead cops. Guess it’s back to Google.

  220. Yup Google search says Fox News shows blacks celebrating.

    So what is worse? MSNBC conveniently ignores it OR Fox exploits it helping to bring us all together?

  221. La suspect resisted from the beginning and police were under suspicion of him being armed. On the ground cop saw/ felt gun in pocket with suspect fighting and reasonably trying to get gun. = shoot him.
    Mn there is a training operational flaw where the cop failed to control the guy. His defense seems to indicate he told the guy not to reach for gun while the black guy reached for his license. The cop failed and overestimated the threat. There is also something to be said about the strict operational flaw also evidenced in Rice shooting. Holding a weapon you tell them to drop it. If they have a weapon on them YOU TELL THEM TO KEEP THEIR HANDS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THEM.YOU DONT TELL THEM TO “TOUCH” the weapon.

  222. Sorry. The media and Obama and his DOJ have fueled and validated the misperceptions. I don’t know what Trump has to do with the shootings and BLM. Neither do you.

    So, here’s a part of the solution. Cut the shit. Ferguson, Baltimore, Florida, Wisconsin, Charleston. . . cut the damn shit. And keep your race-baiting agitator fucks like Sharpton away from the fucking White House, tell your federal prosecutors to stop grandstanding and stay the fuck out of it, and tell your first lady to shut her racist trap.

    Let me guess. That’s not solution to you.

  223. So I’m gonna take a different tack this time. No blaming. Let’s talk solutions.

    The solution has been offered. Often. Even here. For decades it has been to TURN OFF THE FUCKING NEWS!! They ARE to blame. The voices speaking from it are purposely using FEAR to motivate people. We have plenty of real situations in our own communities we could actually fix if we would direct our focus.

  224. How much you wanna bet the Clinton team is dancing the jig over this shooting? Completely buried the congressional hearing in the news.

    Those dots are sooooooooo close to connecting… Here, I FIFY:

    How much you wanna bet the Clinton team is dancing the jig over orchestrated this shooting? A diversion designed to completely bury the congressional hearing in the news.

  225. So you lost me right away Tigre with the word “misperceptions”. Part of your solution is to dismiss the opinions of a community?

    Now, I agree that rhetoric can agitate this stuff and lord knows Sharpton is an agitator. Obama looks anti-cop. Doesn’t help. I agree.

    Now what?

  226. Poolman, my wife actually suggested that this morning in jest. But it’s telling that we trust Hill so little that such a joke could even be made.

  227. “So you lost me right away Tigre with the word “misperceptions”. Part of your solution is to dismiss the opinions of a community?”

    Come on. The video I saw last night had BLM protesters marching down the street shouting “hands up, don’t shoot” (ironically right at the time shots rang out). Hands up, don’t shoot originates from an outright lie. It is now a battle cry.

    The confederate flag didn’t have anything to do with the Charleston shooting. But it did certainly become the battle cry for SJW’s that don’t know anything other than race baiting and agitation.

    Trayvon could be my son. Really? It’s a white/black thing. Or, in a pinch, a white hispanic black thing.

    Then Baltimore.

    So yes. Dismiss false perceptions. Dismiss them entirely. That’s some kind of problem?

    For someone that ran around blaming Palin for the Giffords shooting, you ought to know how easy it is to whip things up no matter how wrong or stupid they are.

    We’ve reached a flashpoint.

  228. Solutions, stop coddling black people and call a spade a spade. Tell them this is the consequence of an entitlement mindset, welfare, and the broken family. Tell them to stop killing each other because they are responsible for 90% of their own deaths. Tell them to stop being a plague on society and stop bring responsible for 49. 7% of all murders in spite of being 12.7% of the population. Tell them to stop murdering 50 million of their own children and place a value to life again. That should be a solid start.

  229. @ Rutherford I’m too pressed for time right now and I don’t really know if you want me to get into the heads of 911 folks and specifically police.
    Suffice to say when something/someone becomes a threat to police they are expected to kill it. That is the threshold. In MA it is the legal threshold. If you as a LEO are moved to initiate potential deadly force the result should actually be death.
    The cops in Baton Rouge had every reason to think that if Sterling got up and or hand on gun one of them was getting shot.

  230. Just read how Hillary politely tossed State minions under the campaign bus. The fucking Hillary Vindication Tour is in full effect.

  231. I get six shots, Rutherford.

    You see an advisary who appears ready to kill you. You control your panic with an instinct for self preservation. You don’t want your enemy to revive and continue the attack. You fire away to be sure the preceived attacker is dead or disabled.

    The same works without a weapon. You use your head, feet or hands and don’t stop until the enemy is no longer moving.

    I’m not saying the attacked was seeing reality, only his quick interpretation of events.

  232. Ahhhh Noah, just as we were starting to agree on some things, you had to go and throw a statistics-prove-black-people-suck monologue out there.

    Based on that, and your previous lengthy comment on Islam, I have a deadly serious question for you, matter of fact and no insult intended.

    Do you consider yourself a white supremacist? If not, why?

  233. ET, I have never been to court, even as a jury member, so I am curious. Is Trey Gowdy talented in his examination skills (or whatever what he does might be called), or does he just do what trial lawyers do and is not relatively special?

  234. Tigre, I agree with some of what you said. “Hands up, don’t shoot” was based on a lie. The POTUS DOES have a bad habit of sticking his nose in local affairs, going all the way back to the Cambridge professor.

    Here’s the problem with your assessment. Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin were false heroes sold to us by low expectation motherfuckers more interested in race baiting than solutions. BUT

    Eric Garner didn’t have to die.
    Tamir Rice didn’t have to die.
    Sandra Bland didn’t have to die.
    Freddie Gray probably didn’t have to die.
    The dude in St. Paul didn’t have to die.
    And despite Alfie’s analysis, I still believe the dude in Baton Rouge didn’t have to die.

    No solution if you’ll only acknowledge half the problem.

  235. Cops are afraid of black people in ghettos becuase it’s rational.

    Now, good cops over come their fear and don’t fuck up.

    Mediocre ones sometimes get nervous and kill people or beat people.

    Throw in the 1% of cops that are evil and this will never end until ghettos stop being savage.

    Black people are afraid of cops for the same exact reasons.

    Plus, blacks are being manipulated by the left when division and riots are deemed politically expedient.

    It would suck to be a good black dude, walking home and getting Terry Stopped by some nervous ass white cop. It’s tense.

    I’ve been in tense situations just living in a factory town and being white as a teen ager. I can’t imagine life in the ghetto.

    Only one fix. Black people have to change this bull shit anti snitch culture that celebrates gangstas. They need Dads keeping young bucks in check. And..they need good black cops. They are too hard find.

    It’s like losing wieght.. You have to stop eating like shit.

    Black people need an awakening that comes from within.

  236. In just one year –

    By circumstance, eight officers were investigating suspicious persons/circumstances; seven were engaged in tactical situations; six officers were conducting traffic pursuits/stops; four were killed as a result of ambushes (entrapment/premeditation); three officers were killed as a result of unprovoked attacks; three died from injuries inflicted while answering disturbance calls (all three being domestic disturbance calls); three officers were killed while answering robbery in progress calls or pursuing robbery suspects; two were handling, transporting, or maintaining custody of prisoners; two officers were handling persons with mental illness; one sustained fatal injuries while performing an investigative activity; one was answering a burglary in progress call or pursuing a burglary suspect; and one officer was killed while attempting other arrest.

    https://www.fbi.gov/sandiego/press-releases/2016/fbi-releases-2015-preliminary-statistics-for-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

  237. As I watch the NBC analysis of Obama’s reaction to yesterday it becomes clear that he is not the President of cops.

    The two early deaths this week: racist cops. Yesterday’s massacre: need for gun control – despite the stated motive of the shooter – hatred of whites.

    When a cop kills a black guy, it’s racism. When a black guy executes white cops, it’s a gun problem.

    No wonder you guys are pissed off.

  238. Muffy, as to your second commrnt, there is zero doubt being a cop takes courage few of us could muster. As I watched the chaos last night, I said to my daughter “imagine being a cop and bullets start flying down from the sky and your buddy drops right in front of you and you don’t run and hide. You do your job. That takes courage. I’d run (if I could run) for my life.”

    As for your first question, I think Rabbit characterized it very well. Everybody is afraid of everyone else and neighborhoods resemble war zones.

    Blacks DO need to get their act together. There almost has to be another black Renaissance. But surely white cops can do SOMETHING to reassure law abiding blacks that there isn’t some targeting going on. And for Pete’s sake, in some cases, a little restraint. All it took was cooler heads and Garner would be alive today. Bland too.

  239. “When you dial 911, whether you are white or black, the cops come, and they come quickly, and they come quickly whether they are white or black. That’s what cops do, in addition to all of the other hard and difficult and dangerous and frightening things that they do. They respond to homes in the middle of the night where a drunken father, wielding a gun, is threatening his wife and children. They pound up the back stairs of an apartment building, not knowing whether the guys behind the door they are about to enter are armed, or high, or both.”

    That’s from a good speech by James Comey – yes, that James Comey – that I remember hearing about at the time. It’s worth a read.

    Also worth nothing, this speech was given a year and a half ago but statistics on racial demographics of victims of police shootings is spare. We shouldn’t be fooled by what only sounds like information.

    “Not long after riots broke out in Ferguson late last summer, I asked my staff to tell me how many people shot by police were African-American in this country. I wanted to see trends. I wanted to see information. They couldn’t give it to me, and it wasn’t their fault. Demographic data regarding officer-involved shootings is not consistently reported to us through our Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Because reporting is voluntary, our data is incomplete and therefore, in the aggregate, unreliable.”

    https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/hard-truths-law-enforcement-and-race

  240. Interestingly Comey brought up a point similar to something my neighbor (a cop) told me once when I asked him what the toughest part of his job is and he said “people lie to me all day.”

    Just think about that for a few minutes.

  241. “ET, I have never been to court, even as a jury member, so I am curious. Is Trey Gowdy talented in his examination skills (or whatever what he does might be called), or does he just do what trial lawyers do and is not relatively special?”

    A little of both. Some of what I’ve seen Gowdy do is just what we do. But I’ve also seen him do a really good job. The clip you posted was very good in my opinion. My sense from what I’ve seen is that he’s a very worthy adversary in the courtroom.

    With that said, the examination in congress is not exactly the same. For example, in grilling Comey, testing another’s professional legal judgment as to the application of the law is not common — except for expert legal witnesses which are not common. The court is expected to be the legal expert. So the subject matter and format is different but the style and methods are similar.

  242. White cops can reassure others. My wife’s cousin and husband run their Independence Day party with fire works like a business. People come from many miles away.

    A police lieutenant from Omaha and three teenagers he is mentoring showed up. He has mentored over 30 children and youths in the past twenty years.

    He was transferred to North Omaha at his request and he removed uncaring cops. He said he was unpopular with his fellow police, but the blacks liked him. He and the police who work with him have become part of the community.

  243. Rutherford, the problem with Obama isn’t his feelings towards cops, it’s his need to politicize EVERYTHING.

  244. “No solution if you’ll only acknowledge half the problem.”

    You’re missing it. The presumption is that all of the examples you’ve cited are due to racism and not bad judgment, error, circumstances or just plain justified. It’s not even limited to white cops. Yet you’ve said here, like many, if there’s a black victim and another race then it should be presumed motivated by race. I see that as a huge problem.

  245. Rabbit, according to MSNBC, Texas is the 45th state to institute open carry. I didn’t verify the number but it looks like it’s way more prevalent than I imagined.

  246. “people lie to me all day.”

    Government lies to us all day. Those on the inside lie to cover each other all the time. Teevee lies to us 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year. Cops are on the front line of those lies.

    It isn’t logical to expect trust or truth from people living under institutional sized fabricators.

  247. R, take for example my comments about Obama and the DOJ going not places like Ferguson to “ensure justice.” In doing so, that necessarily means that the local law enforcement and judicial system is incapable of justice. The fed’s involvement completely undermines confidence and effectiveness in law enforcement for a long, long time to come. When Obama politicizes these event by obviously picking sides, it is a powerful message. And the fact that he’s nearly always wrong makes the outcomes even worse for all sides. The black community always feels that the outcome was unjust without the conviction, and law enforcement feels that they are under attack — subject to persecution for doing their jobs. That grandstanding twit in Baltimore promised justice, and that only meant one thing: convictions. Yet the accusations were nowhere close to being proved, and for the cop in Ferguson a downright lie. It is a travesty the effects of which you never seem to recognize, and most respects “is the problem.”

  248. BTW, sit around a courthouse some afternoon and watch the routine criminal matters that pass through. The endless lies. The cops lie, the defendants lie, the witnesses lie, often the attorneys lie. Human nature is a bitch.

  249. You guys hear the perp was killed by a robot?

    Apparently they used the kind of robot used to defuse bombs and had it deliver a “special package” to the suspect. Damn!

  250. @ Rutherford Eric Garner was party to the escalation. He was the party whose actions are excused when comparing him to the professional standards the cops are held to. That said though there was clearly a better way to put Mr Loosies in Rikers that day;however, I find it appalling that there is such willingness to give the shit bags in society a pass. When are the cops going to act better? About 15 fucking minutes after the animals in the zoo do!

    This brings us to Sterling in Baton Rouge and the case of nigger ghetto bird shit bag-ness to a level that exceeds Brown in Ferguson. Sterling KNEW he shouldn’t have a firearm. He obviously threatened the person who originated the call as he was protecting his turf. (not unlike Mr Staten Island Loosie often did) He clearly was attempting to establish a way to flee the police that night. He absolutely deserved to die and it was a public service.
    I’m sick of the liberal spin on this kind of shit. I saw a libtard actually call him a fucking “CD salesman”. Fucking piece of shit was a street hustler who did time for diddling a minor.
    You complain about others not seeing a portion of the story. Pull the fucking blinders off man!

    Rabbit is spot on. If blacks want their community to be safe they better drop the snitching shit and the blue hate. 911 is a joke in your town until you fucking dial looking for these folks to help you.

  251. I think I’m gonna make it a hobby this summer of toggling between MSNBC and Fox. Tonight, Chris Hayes could not get Jeh Johnson to call this terrorism. On Fox, they’re calling it domestic terrorism.

    It’s like two different realities. The social polarization is an obvious consequence.

  252. The cops lie, the defendants lie, the witnesses lie, often the attorneys lie. Human nature is a bitch.

    I don’t know how or why you’d want to function in that environment 40 hours a week. It has to jade you.

  253. I am curious Rutherford, why does stating facts make me a white supremacist? A deadly serious question.

    If I stated anything that is untrue, I will own it, if not, explain why honest assessments are not permissible in your world.

  254. What I find really interesting is that it seems like every time we have a revelation or event related to this administration or the Democrat party, we have an event like what happened with the shootings.

  255. So I take it you don’t consider yourself a white supremacist. Question answered.

    Numbers have value but not in isolation. You lean on stats to make your wholesale condemnation of blacks go down easier. I know this is a word you and others here don’t like but race relations in America has nuance. Your numbers don’t.

  256. LOL But on a different note, you will see stuff on Fox you just won’t see elsewhere.

    This reverend calling for peace after the shooting was shown by Fox saying “Damn white America” before the shooting. Megyn Kelly confronted him on the “mixed message”. I must admit, you won’t find that anywhere else.

  257. Numbers have value but not in isolation. You lean on stats to make your wholesale condemnation of blacks go down easier. I know this is a word you and others here don’t like but race relations in America has nuance. Your numbers don’t.

    Ok so now we have our problem presenting itself. You are too close to the issue to allow for a reasoned assessment of the problem. This is probably why you tend to dance around a subject but never actually dig in and take it on. It’s a nice safe place and those safe places seem to be the ‘in’ thing for the left these days.

    You have mischaracterized my position. I am not looking to ‘do’ anything to the black community. I am not looking to trash the black community. I am not looking to make the black community this way or that way. The black community is doing a fine job on its own and does not need my help in anyway.

    Disproportionate crime leads to higher levels of interactions with the police. This is cause and effect, not racism.

  258. “I know this is a word you and others here don’t like but race relations in America has nuance. Your numbers don’t.”

  259. Is that Mandy Patinkin and what role was he playing?

    By the way, I found out tonight that the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) which has been targeted by the bar patrons as a bullshit organization has identified several black organizations (including the New Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam) as hate groups. So the notion that the SPLC only recognizes hate against blacks (which has been the attitude of some here) is bogus.

  260. I suggested a partial solution to the problem which would foster mutual respect.

    A black man organized a Black Lives Matter protest in Omaha yesterday. It changed to a support for the police too. All races participated in larger than expected numbers.

    A radio talk show caller told the show that he asked a man carrying a sign “Doesn’t my life matter?” The man replied “all lives matter.”

    Blacks also need to stop assuming that police kill them for sport when they contribute to the problem.

    ABC News had a couple of black reporters discussing what to tell the kids. They discussed the danger their children are in each time a police officer stops them. That is part of the problem.

  261. I’d watch your back, urban whities.
    4 people randomly shot in Tennessee by a black dude who wanted to kill white people and it’s not even really a big news story.

  262. We have a perception problem. The ABC reporters who were black automatically assumed the last two blacks killed by police bore none of the blame and the reporters cited those incidents to demonstrate the danger their children are in whenever they see a police officer.

    I am profiling to assume the reporters are liberal and their dark skin predisposes them to fear of the police, but it is a pretty safe assumption.

    It is another failing of our press to ignore the racism rampant in some parts of the back community.

  263. I have also mentioned the double standard which forces whites to be circumspect about their racism while blacks have permission to spew what they want with little sanction.

    Angela Rye, a former Black Caucus staffer said on a CNN program that rogue cops shoot black people for sport. The reaction was harsh, but I’ll wager she was not fired.

    By the standards of attacks on Sarah Palin, Fay and the milder ABC reporters helped kill those police officers and they are putting the rest of us whites at risk for similar racist attacks. They are fomenting a race war.

    If it happens, they will be as appauled as Obama when he learns one of his policies has caused yet another disaster and tells us he is an innocent bystander as we are.

    Their hands are as bloody as Hillary’s.

  264. 12 cops gunned down by black power terrorist and the only cultural change Hillary Clinton demands is from white people. Insanity. Evil. Your enemy.

    Of course… She was hiding until she had her advantageous slaughter in the first placr.

    On another note.. Liberal media will whip up a black murderous crowd that will fucking kill you and your family becuase they find it politically advantageous.

    Liberals in power will blame the institution (in other words you).

    I’m dead serious. Arm yourself urban whites. Don’t think you can’t be pinned down by the mob.

    Tex… I’d get your daughter the fuck out of the city. Tigre… Move.

    On another sode note, ever since the 60s, black panther type groups always make sure to threaten or shoot firefighters as well as cops.

  265. Every city is going to get the same treatment. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

    The picture that hit all the newspapers was actually printed in a few newspapers hours before the supposed shooting took place. It could not have been taken at the time of the event. Closer inspection of the weapons in that picture show a couple with red tabs indicating blanks, according to some who claim gun expertise. For me, the fact that this picture was taken and distributed before the event is enough proof of the whole event probably staged. The date of the event also significant. The press and the president further confirm it is part of their agenda, as it certainly has taken over the air waves. Here is the google page that contains all of those images in all the various sizes.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=city&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSkwEJH41FRhWTX0IahwELEKjU2AQaAAwLELCMpwgaYgpgCAMSKPMLoh6wHvYLzx_12FqMevhvjFqMM5ibMKvw-1T6MNos2uivNKsY-jygaMA8T8mqliOWOj0qQWZm5aehwl-LCgkvlLRtJuXchCGBXZ-Dy0bwGcFVyN2nU_1UAgdiADDAsQjq7-CBoKCggIARIEKJSyfQw&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqnP6UxebNAhVJ2WMKHb7XACoQ2A4IHCgB&biw=1680&bih=989#q=city&tbs=simg:CAQSkwEJH41FRhWTX0IahwELEKjU2AQaAAwLELCMpwgaYgpgCAMSKPMLoh6wHvYLzx_12FqMevhvjFqMM5ibMKvw-_1T6MNos2uivNKsY-jygaMA8T8mqliOWOj0qQWZm5aehwl-LCgkvlLRtJuXchCGBXZ-Dy0bwGcFVyN2nU_1UAgdiADDAsQjq7-CBoKCggIARIEKJSyfQw,qdr:w&tbm=isch&imgrc=

  266. The only hope for the country is that 1) there is somewhere a person who can figure out how to communicate the truth that those people are dead because they were black and 2) people decide to listen.

  267. Oh well, that link didn’t work. Not sure if you guys know how (or even care enough) to search images and their source. The following is the image I was referring to that was shot and distributed BEFORE the shoot:

  268. The Bureau of Labor Statics says farming is still the most dangerous occupation in the US.

    The statistic might change if more aspiring cop and fire fighter killers act on their impulses.

    In spite of that, I still feel safer two miles from the nearest neighbor near a town with only 200 people and in a county with only five electric traffic signals.

    Rabbit’s advice may be impractical, but I agree with him.

  269. I’m getting tired of our national fear and conflict. Here is my antidote to myself.

    This is a variation of Scots -Irish music carried here during their immigration to America. Origins of this song may date back two to three hundred years, though the modern version was probably written around 1913.

    These people knew sorrow betrayed beliefs as we do now, and they sang about it.

  270. Well, R, Obama has brought inner city Blacks and Republicans together in believing the justice system is totally rigged. Good work.

  271. Tigre@1:49 – unfortunately Obama is not the leader for the times.

    Think about the connection regarding intent between the cops and the Hillery. Huck flicked the light on earlier but it hasn’t been a pervasive theme either here or nationwide. Too bad.

    Is is all about intent or isn’t it?

  272. The only hope for the country is that 1) there is somewhere a person who can figure out how to communicate the truth that those people are dead because they were black and 2) people decide to listen.

    That was sarcasm, right?

  273. “Gross negligence” is a the mens rea element that counts for “intent.”

    If you sat on a skyscraper throwing bricks over your shoulder, you may not have intended to hit someone below but it was so reckless that it would be criminal.

    Hillary was unquestionable grossly negligent.

    Comey in effect said that she’s such a fucking idiot she didn’t even know she was throwing bricks over her shoulder. There is significant evidence that that is bullshit all day long. She was advised that the system was exposed o threats generally, and from China in particular.

    I don;t know what Comey was talking about, and I don;t know what the hell Rutherford was talking about in conflating the issues.

    In any event Muffy, did you mean to say ” . . . there is somewhere a person who can figure out how to communicate the truth that those people are NOT dead because they were black. . . “

  274. I guess the shortcut is that she did intend to throw the bricks but she didn’t intend to assume the risk that they would hit and kill someone.

    Either way, Comey’s conclusions about what a “reasonable prosecutor” might do are kind of absurd — and to a degree that definitely suggests ulterior motive.

  275. “Muffy, was there a word missing in last comment?”

    No, ET. They are dead because they were black. (That’s a generalization of course but I stand by it.)

    That’s also not to say they died because of racist cops.

  276. Alfie is usually a pretty sane person so when he went on a ni**er rant about Sterling, I did some Googling particularly about the child-doodling.

    From what I gather, this was statutory rape, i.e. consensual sex with a partner to young to give consent reasonably. He was 20, she was 14. He served a couple of years in prison for it and he and his “victim” remained close and have co-parented the child produced from the incident.

    So while I’m not advocating fucking a minor, this situation was not your average pedo-perv as Alfie left us to believe.

    That said, Sterling had a rap sheet that wasn’t pretty. Hardly an upstanding citizen. I’m just clarifying his record as a perv.

    I’ll also add the Baton Rouge incident seems far more ambiguous than the St. Paul one. No apparent resistance in the St. Paul incident. Only reason to shoot: paranoia.

  277. ET, we crossed in space. Us too, Rutherford.

    Per your 2:27pm re: intent ET, I need to think about that. My brain is full at the minute.

  278. Comey in effect said that she’s such a fucking idiot she didn’t even know she was throwing bricks over her shoulder.

    That is EXACTLY what Comey was saying. As I said in an earlier commrnt, it’s the “mentally retarded” defense. Even if you buy it, it’s a disqualifier for POTUS.

    But why are you on my ass again? I didn’t conflate anything. I reported what Comey said and he very clearly said he couldn’t prove intent. He did NOT say it wasn’t gross negligence. He inserted intent into a statute that didn’t have it.

    What did I conflate?

  279. Not for nothing (hehe) but I agree with Alfie re: both shootings, at least at this point in time.

    Rutherford I think your thinking is clouded on this. You have a point re: the number of shots per Sterling, but you’re off on everything else, IMO.

    I’m with Alfie on the MN fatality as suspect.

  280. By that you mean racism, right? Isn’t the narrative?

    Actually no, Center Square. I’m not saying the dudes race helped the situation but I believe when he told the officers he had a gun their trigger fingers went into ready mode. After announcing he had a gun, his best bet was to keep his hands visible from there on out.

  281. I think I follow your comment now.

    Well I sure don’t. Muffy raised more questions than she answered. It could go in all sorts of directions.

    They got shot cos they were black – because blacks tend to be criminals?

    Now I actually don’t think Muffy is saying that. But I’d love to see an elaboration.

  282. Muffy as you see from a recent comment, I don’t agree with Alfie that Baton Rouge was a “good shoot” but I have moved the needle from bad shoot to ambiguous.

  283. Wasn’t there a time in America that you couid be a street hustler and so long as you weren’t ripping people off, folks left you alone? Sterling and Garner just making a buck the old fashioned way. Hell, in small town white America the practice would be considered quaint.

  284. “They got shot cos they were black – because blacks tend to be criminals?”

    No no no. Blacks tend to not know how to relate to authority. 😦 Makes me want to weep just thinking about it.

    Anyway, it’s a process Rutherford.

    It’s also a bit like the blind men and the elephant. Someone with vision is needed to explain it to an America who gave up on listening somewhere along the way in the last 50 years.

  285. “After announcing he had a gun, his best bet was to keep his hands visible from there on out.”

    Correct. Freeze.

    The cause of so much trouble is often a misunderstanding.

    As for my earlier remark, I’m probably not explaining it well enough but think about it in context of what rabbit wrote earlier. That might help.

  286. No no no. Blacks tend to not know how to relate to authority.

    Not sure I disagree and the roots of this run deep. Wouldn’t you agree blacks have a problem with white authority in particular? And aren’t some of the reasons for that pretty obvious?

    I think dwelling on the past has hurt blacks. But I also think progress over 250 years has come so slow that it’s easy for history-illiterate blacks to have not noticed. It’s like your wife gaining weight. Folks who haven’t seen her in a year or two say “wow your wife gained weight” but you hardly noticed cos you’re with her daily. You don’t see the incremental change.

    If you couid resurrect Booker T. Washington, he’d say “holy crap, look how much blacks have progressed”. But for blacks day to day it’s slow and incremental.

    Gay rights on the other hand has advanced in the blink of an eye comparatively speaking.

  287. Here is where you conflate the intent to do the act and intend the outcome. If he proved “gross negligence,” the intent that we’re talking about is satisfied. And no, he didn’t the gross negligence prong. That’s why he’s dancing around with terms like “extreme carelessness” and plain old “negligence” (sans degree).

    To wit:

    “Maybe I’m misunderstanding you but I don’t agree. Comey basically said he proved gross negligence. What he said is there is a judicial tradition of inserting “intent” into the statute even though it’s not there on the page … and that he had to follow precedent.

    I felt that he seemed unhappy with the law as it was written.

    Rutherford , July 7, 2016 at 10:27 pm”

    Though I know it pains you so Wrongway, try Googling “men rea.”

  288. “Wasn’t there a time in America that you couid be a street hustler and so long as you weren’t ripping people off, folks left you alone? Sterling and Garner just making a buck the old fashioned way. Hell, in small town white America the practice would be considered quaint.”

    Yes, the good old days are over. That’s progress for you.

    You had to stick “white” in there.

    “From what I gather, this was statutory rape, i.e. consensual sex with a partner to young to give consent reasonably. He was 20, she was 14. He served a couple of years in prison for it and he and his “victim” remained close and have co-parented the child produced from the incident.

    So while I’m not advocating fucking a minor, this situation was not your average pedo-perv as Alfie left us to believe.

    That said, Sterling had a rap sheet that wasn’t pretty. Hardly an upstanding citizen. I’m just clarifying his record as a perv.”

    Let’s be clear about what you’re doing, despite your denial. You are defending a grown man having sex with a 14 year old. It’s reprehensible.

  289. I’ll read up on men rea (I thought it was mens rea but whatever).

    You are differentiating between intending an act vs intending its consequences. I find the first part pretty damn obvious. Anything we do, not under duress, we intend to do. So that was never the “intent” that Comey was talking about. He was talking about intent to create negative consequences. And he claimed he could not prove that intent AND he inserted that intent criteria into the statute where it did not belong.

    Ok no more from me until I look up men rea.

  290. “Not sure I disagree and the roots of this run deep. Wouldn’t you agree blacks have a problem with white authority in particular? And aren’t some of the reasons for that pretty obvious?”

    Of course the reasons are obvious.

  291. (And no, not with white authority in particular. Absentee fathers equally to blame for authority issues.)

  292. Let’s be clear about what you’re doing, despite your denial. You are defending a grown man having sex with a 14 year old. It’s reprehensible.

    Wow are you putting me in the awkward position of defending the reprehensible.

    I’m not sure 20 qualifies for grown man. 20 year olds do stupid shit they might not do at 30 or 40.

    Some 14 year old girls look 18 or older. We really don’t know without further research what Sterling knew about her at the time of the encounter.

    In a right/wrong scenario, of course it was wrong. But to paint Sterling as a pedophile is a mischaracterization. I believe that’s what Alfie did.

  293. “Anything we do, not under duress, we intend to do.”

    Not necessarily. Being completely fucked on alcohol or other drugs and not understanding the nature of your act might be an example. In the law, the intent to drink or drug carries that intent forward however. Believing you’re throwing bricks over shoulder but that there’s a pallet to catch them might be another.

    “He was talking about intent to create negative consequences.” That might be — but I’m talking about the intent to disregard the consequences, not the intent to create them. That is precisely what statutes that apply “reckless disregard” or “gross negligence” do, i.e. substitute the intent element for a parallel mental state.

    As you look around, see if you can figure out why Comey used the term “evil intent.”

  294. Noah, a couple of things:

    1) I don’t like BLM primarily because their name really is “Black Lives Should Matter to White People”. If they truly were black lives matter, then they would focus on Chicago for starters.

    2) It’s been hard to figure out what is being done by BLM vs outside agitators. Is it BLM saying to cook cops like bacon or is it agitators? Does BLM have an organizational structure such that its “leader” could condemn this rhetoric?

    If there is someone who could speak for BLM, and they don’t condemn hate speech, then BLM is a hate group. No argument there.

  295. Some of these young girls are made up to look like sluts. Teevee and movies have done plenty to push it. Girls learn quick what power sex has over men. Besides, our culture doesn’t exactly exude a sense of any high moral standard anymore.

  296. “Wow are you putting me in the awkward position of defending the reprehensible.”

    You put yourself there. And your defense was offensive. I wish I could unread it. Just gawdawful.

    “In a right/wrong scenario, of course it was wrong. But to paint Sterling as a pedophile is a mischaracterization. I believe that’s what Alfie did.” -R

    “Fucking piece of shit was a street hustler who did time for diddling a minor.” -A

    Alfie was right on the money.

  297. We have laws preventing a grown man of 20 from having relations with a child of 14 because the level of maturity and the capacity to defend ones self both physically and against coercion is vastly inferior to that of a 20 year old. There is no justification for this act.

  298. 2) It’s been hard to figure out what is being done by BLM vs outside agitators. Is it BLM saying to cook cops like bacon or is it agitators? Does BLM have an organizational structure such that its “leader” could condemn this rhetoric?

    Plausible deniability. It is set up this way intentionally so that they can not only pick and choose what they own to benefit themselves but they can both deny to their detractors and take responsibility to their supporters for everything that happens in their cause.

  299. If there is someone who could speak for BLM

    The soros funded blm along with the rest of the groups he and his band of cohorts helped/help support are all designed to divide and cause unrest in America and all over the western world. These are the people behind the gladio in eurpoe during the cold war and all the global upheaval going on right now. The politicians are just a cushion between these destroyers of the earth and the common people that live in all the communities around the globe that these overlords exploit. Many see through the lies and deception.

    http://blackcommunitynews.com/the-real-power-and-purpose-behind-black-lives-matter-movement/

  300. Not for nothing but statutory rape would be a felony where the mens rea does not require scienter (hint: Comey’s reference to evil intent). Same with the felony murder rule — much like we see with the gross negligence standard.

  301. There is no justification for this act.

    Really? I think people can always come up with someway to justify their actions. You mean no excuse? How about human nature? Hormones, or sex drive, or plain old lust, or how about lure? The 14 year old thought it was empowering to control a 20 year old male as the sex was supposedly consentual. Not the first time and really more common in our progressive society. I’ve met some 14 year old girls with more intelligence than a few 20 year old guys I know. Most guys that age have been porn addicts for half their life and don’t know how to communicate on an intimate level with a real girl. Turn on a teevee or look at any ad. What are we teaching our youth? What is our culture about?

  302. There is an ever growing movement to make pedophilia a sexual orientation in an attempt o validate it. I stand by my choice of the word justification but I will add to it the word valid. One can attempt to justify almost anything, that does not make it a valid justification.

  303. So Tigre, I went to law for dummies, otherwise known as Wikipedia. Tell me what I’ve got wrong.

    Setting up the rogue server constitutes actus reus, the actual unauthorized act, independent of what she had in mind at the time.

    Under mens rea we have a host of possibilities:
    1. Avoidance of FOIA.
    2. Ability to mix state business and Foundation business, undetected.
    3. Avoidance of accountability for actions taken as SoS, including ability to delete emails.
    4. Less likely: ability to leave information vulnerable to access by state enemies for her own gain – which amounts to treason.
    What I get from Comey’s congressional testimony is that he couldn’t prove what would constitute mens rea AND that he felt precedent demanded he do so. Actus reus, in Comey’s view was not enough for prosecution.

    The counter argument is that by her actions, Hillary demonstrated mens rea, two examples being repeatedly lying to the American people (lying suggests knowledge of guilt) and never seeking authorization to set up the rogue server in the first place.

    Seriously I’m approaching this as law school student and you’re Kingsfield. Tell me what I’ve got wrong.

  304. I would stipulate our penal code ignores actual human biology.

    It is not science fiction to believe a sexual encounter can occur between a mature 14 year old and an immature 20 year old and that encounter does not constitute pedophilia. And age difference really does matter. A 30 year old in the same situation would be highly suspect to me. A 20 year old with a 7 year old would be VERY highly suspect to me. But someone not yet old enough to buy a beer in many states hooking up with a post-pubescent girl is not ipso facto pedoohilia, which is what “diddling” implies.

    Furthermore, the crime was (understandably) reported by her mother, not her AND he remained in the life of her and their son afterward.

    So Muffy the knee jerk outrage isn’t working for me.

    P.S. I’d have to research it but I believe the age of consent in some states is 14 so your outrage isn’t even universal legally.

  305. Its really hard for me to say I have anyone but Obama seems to be doing everything he can to make it easier.

    “I think it’s very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter.”
    President Obama
    “He said he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers.” Dallas Police Chief David Brown
    There….untangled.

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  307. “Setting up the rogue server constitutes actus reus, the actual unauthorized act, independent of what she had in mind at the time.”

    No. But you’re close. The statute state that it’s a crime to set up a private server per se.

    Here’s the text:

    18 U.S. Code § 793(f) – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

    (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

    So, the actus reus is the literal language of the statute for what one “does” to violate the statue. The actus reus is when one “entrusted with. . . .permits the same to be removed. . . ”

    “Under mens rea we have a host of possibilities:
    1. Avoidance of FOIA.
    2. Ability to mix state business and Foundation business, undetected.
    3. Avoidance of accountability for actions taken as SoS, including ability to delete emails.
    4. Less likely: ability to leave information vulnerable to access by state enemies for her own gain – which amounts to treason.”

    No. Those are closer to actus reus and motive and evidence of the mens rea element (which is what Gowdy was getting at). The mens rea are the mental states required to violate the statute, i.e. gross negligence and having knowledge.

    Obviously gross negligence requires some level of conscious indifference, and of course knowing is knowing.

    The intent element Comey engrafted is really one of scienter (actual knowledge of wrongdoing, i.e. evil motive). He submits that this is what must be shown in order to meet the “gross negligence” standard — intent to violate the code which is usually implied when the statutes don’t specify the alternate grounds.

    Take my felony murder analogy. One is guilty of felony murder if the a killing occurs in the course of a dangerous felony, even if it is accidental death and is considered first-degree murder. There is no mental state required under the statute other than the “intent” to commit a dangerous felony. So, if you and a buddy decide to rob the Sack O’ Suds convenience store and your buddy shoots the clerk, you are chargeable with first degree murder, even though you never intended to hurt anyone and weren’t even the person that did the shooting. The “mens rea” element is satisfied if you intentionally committed a dangerous felony, i.e. robbing the store. You assume the risk that shit will happen when you made the decision to proceed with the crime albeit different than murdering someone. In the absence of the felony murder rule, malice aforethought would ordinarily be required for first degree murder.

    Gowdy was showing that there was “evidence of intent” even if that were what the statute requires (which most lawyers I’ve talked to and included myself) don’t think is a necessary element of the offense.

    To wrap it up for now, remember my throwing a brick over your shoulder analogy. Reckless disregard or conscious indifference or similar language does not require “actual knowledge or intent” that someone will be killed. It’s that a reasonable person would know that they were doing was reckless and did it anyway. If they thought there co-worker was standing behind them to catch the brick and there were nets to prevent them falling, that might not meet the standard. Comey would say that no one could prove that Hillary intended to do something that was grossly negligent, His opponent f there were one would say that it’s whether a reasonable person would know it was grossly negligent, not actual acknowledge.

    (caveat: I don;t know all of what Comey said, I’m surmising)

  308. @R – I’m not outraged nor interested in changing your mind.

    The fact that Sterling’s crime produced a child is in no way an argument in his favor with regard to consent.

    It is no wonder that there are so many children born out of wedlock.

  309. “So, if you and a buddy decide to rob the Sack O’ Suds convenience store and your buddy shoots the clerk…”

    LOL. I shot the clerk. I shot the clerk?

    Whoa!!

  310. Rutherford I can’t stand you sometimes.
    A 20 year old who fucks anything under 18 is out of order as a human being. The deviance factor alone involved in the 20 y/o’s decision making is so highly suspect I can’t imagine how anyone can defend it. Stacked up alongside the pathology that was Sterlings record in society it is very telling that his life outcome was what it was.
    Your acceptance of a degenerate mentality within society forfeits your right to protest peoples criticism of that society.

  311. 14 years old is pedophile range. They still haven’t lost all their teeth yet. They are kids. Trust me… Annoying kids.

    I can’t believe someone with a daughter doesn’t see it that way and I’m creeped out.

    I will say this, that kind of stuff goes down more in the ghetto (urban or rural) so maybe it’s more normalized there? I don’t know.

    Honestly, I disagree with Alfie. It’s immaterial to the case at hand.

  312. I don’t think I articulated myself very well Alfie.

    I mean the scum bag status doesn’t have much to do with the validity of the kill.

    Did he resist and put the cop’s life risk? That’s all I’m really interested in….or all I should be interested in… I haven’t researched it, to be honest.

  313. Ouch. I just had to cut my own son from the all star team. I thought I was allowed 4. Only allowed 3.

    He was so stoked to play in it and has been talking about for two weeks.

    His look of betrayal was something I’ve never seen out of him. Problem is the other 3 kids are undeniably better then him.

    He just got done crying on my shoulder for 20 minutes and he isn’t like that.

    Fuck!

  314. Rabbit, that’s not the wrestler is it? I didn’t think you were coaching that. In any case, tough call but the kid will learn loads from it and will one day admire you for it.

    On a different topic, my daughter is 12 and all baby teeth are gone.

  315. Yes, that’s the wrestler. But he plays baseball and I’m the head coach.

    He starts tackle football in August. I got roped into coaching that as well.

    I didn’t ever want him playing, really. But he begged me. Rather be on the field then off.

    Some kids don’t loose teeth until they are 14. I just learned that, actually.

  316. The fact that Sterling’s crime produced a child is in no way an argument in his favor with regard to consent.

    I don’t think I ever said that. I said the fact he stayed in the kids life and as we speak is being defended by the kids mother (his victim) makes it unlikely this was a predator type crime.

    Alfie, you’ve gone from reasonable to ridiculous. What’s magic about 18? A 20 year old fucks a 17 year old, he’s suddenly a perv? 3 years difference? Again, you’re the one saying “anyone under 18”. It’s an absolute that makes no sense universally.

    Should Sterling have served time? Of course. But was he Jared from Subway? I don’t think so.

  317. Some kids don’t loose teeth until they are 14. I just learned that, actually.

    No doubt. I see lots of minor girls because my daughter is a gymnast. And I’ve said to my wife “so and so is about 10 right?” And my wife has responded “no she’s 13”. The reverse also happens all the time. A tiny slight girl who looks 9 or 10 turns out to be 15.

    Biology varies considerably and I perceive that girls are hitting puberty younger than they did 50 years ago.

    I’m not saying their minds or emotions are maturing any faster but as Poolman says, current media is “growing” kids up fast superficially, at least.

    I have to be careful with double entendre jokes now because my 12 year old gets ALL of them. I ask her “how did you know about that?” and she says “the Internet”.

  318. Let me clarify for I although I’d personally love the herd to be dramatically culled I don’t think “just because you’re a scumbag” you should get shot.

    Alton Sterling had a history indicative of his end. In 2009 he had a near identical incident which resulted in his arrest. He had a gun then too & tried to flee. The addends of his life foretells the sum. This is also true across demographics all cross the country.

    I sold fireworks when I was teen. It wasn’t an example of me being a go-getter it was that I was willing to risk interacting with mafia linked Italians in Haymarket and bringing the stuff back to my neighborhood. The same formula works for drugs. Criminal enterprise should never be confused with entrepreneurship.
    Bottom line hustling $5 CDs,DVDs and games smells a lot like criminal activity.

    There is no excuse for having sex with minors and more often than not is indicative of a pathological mindset that leads to “grooming”. This is not good for either party involved in the equation and a net negative for society. Oh yeah,it’s also illegal.

    As I said earlier the BRPD as far as I see had a justifiable and reasonable cause for deploying deadly force. That’s what I (and others) mean when we speak of a “good shoot”. It actually doesn’t speak to the quality of the crime,location of or number of shots,or the color of the suspect.
    So back to a summary kind of thing. Using the above terms I hope one can see why I believe the Sterling shooting is “good” and the Castile one (MN) is suspect.

  319. “I sold fireworks when I was teen. It wasn’t an example of me being a go-getter it was that I was willing to risk interacting with mafia linked Italians in Haymarket and bringing the stuff back to my neighborhood.”

    Ha. I used to do the same thing. Shit I haven’t thought about the old Haymarket runs in years.

    What a flashback.

  320. Rutherford I deem it folly to explain to a liberal why I believe the lines are what they are when it comes to sex,intimacy,maturity,intellectual capacity, and general decency.
    I sincerely hope your daughter is never groomed by a predator. That isn’t too strong a word btw. A 20+ year old looking to capitalize on the failings inherent in a 14-18 year old for their own sexual gratification is pathological.

  321. Lets also not forget as you try to rationalize having sex with children that this 14 year old was straddled with having to be a mother having barely become a teen herself, forever taking away her childhood and forever altering her life.

  322. Noah, you are right that if it’s a slippery slope you’re worried about then you have to settle on an arbitrary age of consent and stick with it. But let’s not pretend it’s not relatively arbitrary. I fail to see much difference between 17 and 18.

    If we actually wanted to apply a life experience criteria to the age of consent, we’d make it 19 since by then most “kids” are out of high school and experiencing greater life choices either in the work place, military or college.

  323. Alfie, I acknowledged Sterlings rap sheet and I’ll even grant you there is far more possibility of a good shoot in BR than in St. Paul. I maintain six shots into a restrained suspect is brutality.

  324. “A 20+ year old looking to capitalize on the failings inherent in a 14-18 year old for their own sexual gratification is pathology”

    This is messed up, but I’m 5.5 years older then my wife. I think she was still 19 when I was….. 24????????? when we first started hanging out.

    I’m hoping my math is way off.

    Man would 42 year old rabbit be disgusted with 24 year old rabbit.

    Wtf… I’m disturbed and honestly never gave much thought up until now.

  325. “I said the fact he stayed in the kids life and as we speak is being defended by the kids mother (his victim) makes it unlikely this was a predator type crime.”

    I’m going to stereotype the guy and bet his/hers/their definition of “stayed in the kids life” is very different from Rutherford’s definition of what that entails.

  326. LOL Rabbit I’m not saying it was Ozzie and Harriet.

    As for age difference, to state the obvious, it changes as we get older. When I was 21 my wife was 14. I married her when I was 39 and she was 32.

  327. I married an older woman. Mrs poolman is half a year older than I am. She points out the bumps in the road for me.

    I know a lot of teenagers. There are plenty with iffy home situations that are ready to leave at 14 and 15 to hook up with an older guy. It is a lot of these girls’ fantasy. They live for attention and seek love and acceptance. Many often lie about their age. They are copying what they see others do on social and main stream media.

  328. Pools I’ve even seen the media call 14 year olds “young women” and not in a patronizing way. We are living in complex confusing times.

    If a 25 year old guy dated an 18 year old, I wouldn’t consider him a perv but I would wonder what he could possibly want with a girl fresh out of high school. It’s legal but I’d find it odd. But relationships are complicated so my superficial perception of the pairing ain’t worth crap.

  329. If the guy’s immediate actions deemed him a threat worthy of deadly force, then so be it. But unless he was actually having sex with the 14 year old at the time of the shooting I don’t see why it’s even being discussed in the same conversation.

  330. Huck, I think that was Rabbit’s point and I agree with you both.

    This guy’s rap sheet has Alfie in a tizzy and we don’t even know if the responding officers knew his criminal background. So we can’t even say that his history informed the officers expectation of what he might do.

    Plus, I read they pulled a gun out of his pants pocket after they’d put six bullets in him (entry wounds in chest AND back all while he’s pinned on the ground).

    It’s an iffy shoot, not a good one unless I get a better understanding of what immediate threat he posed pinned to the ground.

  331. It was being discussed because in response to Alfie’s use of the word “diddle” Rutherford took the bizarre position that he needed to “clarify [Sterling’s] record as a perv.”

    Sterlings rap sheet isnt relevant? I did a quick gander myself. No surprise, he was a brute and a bully, especially to people smaller and weaker than himself. At over 300lbs he wasnt intimidating at all. A gentle giant with hands probably the size of a bunch of bananas.

  332. Omaha has a disfunctional black section and many shootings. An established feature is don’t snitch.

    The area also houses white trash.

    However, when a large demonstration protesting the death’s of blacks evolved into support for the dead police officers, there was no violence.

    The organizer approached describing the cultural significance of Sami joik. When Sami joik, they are not singing about a subject. They become the subject and they represent the entire community.

    The protest organizer said the demonstration was bigger than they were. They owed it to Omaha to demonstrate they were more than a violent crowd.

    A media professor studied social media and said tweets and posts were less hostile and more tolerant than in much of the country.

    Our historic flood produced a similar effect. A Bismark newspaper editorial and other writers as did I claimed our reaction to the flood showed our culture was superior to what guides most of the rest of our country.

    One station is about to describe how social media “drove the discussion” and made the protests more tolerant and peaceful than in other areas.

    Churches had another big prayer service last night. The announcer said their concensus is that Omaha can be an example for other cities.

    The local news media congratulated us for being better than you. True or not, it was a surprise to hear.

  333. Many in the news media and politics imply blame to the racist police for the murders of two black men. They don’t care about the unarmed white man who was killed.

    As a black guest on ABC noted more whites are killed, and more whites kill other whites than blacks.

    These media and political types are helping intensify racial hatred.

  334. Rutherford you’re a fucking jerk. Sterlings rap sheet isn’t what has me in a tizzy. Its fucking liberal knobs like you who are trying to martyr him. You want to martyr someone work on the poor guy in MN who most people have all ready forgotten his name because the optics of six shots on the ground aren’t there to drive a false narrative. Of course as more facts flow out of that there appears to be more to that one too.
    I made it quite clear 8 July 4 o’clock hour that the Sterling shoot was good and why. He wasn’t pinned or restrained like you continue to plea. The cops had a reasonable cause to deploy deadly force. Deadly force comes with more than one round unless you’re a sniper. The cops did everything right for the inevitable day in court. I didn’t go forward with his rap sheet until I had been given a couple of hours worth of “Good man,a CD salesman,just trying to make a living for his family”.
    The tangent of sex with minors isn’t relevant other than displaying Rutherfords retard status.

    Chronologic age isn’t a stand alone. I think it pretty weird for a 40 yo to scoop a 20 y/o but it isn’t illegal,immoral. The life experience issue isn’t unimportant but I don’t really care. 16 going after 11 is an issue for a number of reasons. 20 after 14 ditto. Narrow it with 18 on 15 or 21 on 17 there are still important issues. There’s a saying “what a difference a year makes…” It’s very true.
    18-20 is a difficult bit of life that gets short shrift. The 21 y/o can go to clubs you can’t. You live under the illusion of adulthood because you’re out of high school and can vote. Sadly in our modern society you’re racing for independence but you’re overwhelmingly dependent still. Being out of high school puts you in the position that you don’t really want to have connections to it,including dating the hot junior but temptation and desperation happens.
    My position is for two years swim in the narrow two year pool.

  335. From my most recent post:
    Does anything we know of Sterling,most of which the responding officers probably were unaware of mean anything? Not regarding the shooting. The only facts that matter there is Sterlings size,resistance and the fact that the police first suspected then knew he had a gun. The folks trying to martyr Sterling completely discount that. Those that accept it grudgingly then harp on the number of shots. They cannot grasp the concept of deadly force and how it like anything has a spectrum line. That line includes the before and long after. The before includes the determination that the threat at hand rises to the level that makes deadly force reasonable. It ends in an investigative or judicial setting where you explain it as so.
    I can’t help the Rutherfords of the world any further than that.

  336. Noah scores 2 out of 3. Newt and the John Lennon soundalike were damn good indeed.

    Mr. Rachel blew a perfect chance to make a good point. Instead of spending the bulk of his time condemning current Dem policies (which he did a little at the end) he rants this STUPID history lesson about how racist Democrats once were. So fucking what? LBJ ruined the Dem party for racists when he pushed through the civil rights act. After that, racists had no where to go but the GOP which allowed itself to be co-opted.

    The brother blew a great opportunity to make a decent point. He thinks yelling foolishness sells foolishness.

  337. Alfie, pop open a cold one and calm the fuck down.

    I’ve only seen pics of Sterling on the ground. Unlike Michael Brown, no reports of Sterling charging at police. If I’m mistaken on either point, links please.

    Let’s talk officers state of mind. If dispatcher said “armed suspect with violent history, proceed with caution” then BAM, officers went in with expectation that informed their actions. We don’t know that.

    I’m not making a martyr out of Sterling. If mofo went for his gun (or the officers gun), GOOD SHOOT, game over. If he didn’t, then the circumstances remain cloudy until we get more facts.

    Oh, and I’m not even pursuing the racism thing. A lot of these shootings involve heat of the moment decisions. The fact that blacks often wind up dead speaks to the prevalence of black crime which itself is rather complicated.

  338. If you would be so inclined I would like to extend an invitation to AlfonZo to come here to explain why you are in error Rutherford. As you are always inclined to ignore the damaging history of the Democrat party, maybe Zo can explain to you why it is important to destroy the false narrative that the GOP is the home of racism when it is pretty dam easy to prove the Democrats are in practice the home of the real racists today.

  339. AlfonZo is more than welcome here but I think you miss my point.

    A case can be made that current Dem policies hurt blacks. The case can easily be made that current Dem policies often exhibit the racism of low expectations. If AlfonZo wants to argue that, bravo!

    But to reach back to pre-civil rights era to make his point is foolish. Political parties adopt whatever platform they think will get them votes. They are opportunistic in nature. Post-1965, the Dems and GOP both saw where their bread was buttered and changed their orientation accordingly.

  340. The actual point is that the Democrat party has held the consistent position throughout our nations history. As far as making a case, I would say we are a bit past that all things considered. If you don’t accept that as the stone cold truth you are in denial.

  341. Politics is tweaked just like sports. The league is the thing. Everything the players do involves keeping the league healthy. That means playing the crowd. Entertaining them enough to keep them returning week after week.

    I skipped the alex jones’ lackey paul joseph watson video already knowing that twist…

    Sorry Rutherford, but I could only stomach a little over 2 minutes of Rudy. His half truths and full on deception are too evident for me to give him any more of my time. Besides, I will forever see him in a certain light…

  342. If you don’t accept that as the stone cold truth you are in denial.

    That’s not an effective argument. But worry not, I have no huge desire to debate you on this either.

  343. The video you skipped is in my top 3 videos of the year thus far.

    Its not a debate Rutherford. You may think it is, but it just isn’t. Look at the evolution of blacks in this nation. I can easily go point by point through out history and prove every last thing I have claimed and disprove your entire ideology without missing a beat. The evolution of black society was engineered by the Democrat party, fact. When you do feel like debating it, let me know.

  344. Well Poolman I’m assuming you think Rudy party to the “9/11 conspiracy” so that may cloud you. As I said, I’m no huge fan of Rudy but the broken clock yada yada yada.

    BLM is a joke. When they start neighborhood watches in their own neighborhoods I’ll be impressed.

    I’ve said this before. Blacks need to stop caring about whether white folks like them or not. Self-love means handling poverty with dignity, not resorting to crime. Self-love is neighborhoods saying “enough is enough. We’re not going to accept this gang behavior anymore.”

    Like most Americans, blacks are too lazy to do the hard work. This is a pox on our whole country right now and it’s why we are circling the drain.

  345. “Is it the case that motive is used to demonstrate mens rea?”

    Yes. and actus reus too. Evidence of motive makes it more probable than not that the crime was committed all the way around, particularly when a lawyer finds himself in the unique position of defending clients who say they didn’t do it.

  346. The video you skipped is in my top 3 videos of the year thus far.

    I am not surprised. Sorry, that doesn’t raise its cred. They tend toward fear mongering and lately mostly islamophobic. They also push the isis and other globalist lies.

    I’m assuming you think Rudy party to the “9/11 conspiracy” so that may cloud you.

    Certainly he capitalized on it and made the whole media terror tour. He is still recognized as a major mouthpiece for the official narrative. It is hard not to associate his name with 911 as he probably said 911 more than anyone in the year following the event. He is just as much a sellout today as then. Maybe a little less significant. Sort of palinesk to see him again make the news. Maybe he’ll be trump’s flotus. 😆

  347. No worries, I’ve found that pushing a rope at the adult table is pointless. IF you need an excuse to limit what you can consider so be it. I dont know who the guy is but I am pretty sure he is not related to Infowars. I think a guy who is used the video to promote himself.

  348. Tigre, just saw a story about Serenbe, a community built around a farm just outside Atlanta. Very interesting concept. One of the residents said if they replaced the farm with a golf course, he’d move.

    Apparently there’s a similar community outside Chicago. It’s becoming a thing.

    Prohibitive factor for me: homes in Serenbe go for $700,000+ 😟

  349. I’m not big on this New World Order stuff but a good 80% of that article rang true to me, Poolman. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say Obama is somebody’s puppet. I don’t know who is pulling the strings. That goes for other leaders too.

    By the way, former DIA head Flynn (mentioned in the article) is being considered by Trump for running mate.

  350. I’ve never been to Serenbe but I have heard it’s kind of a spa-like environment. Not really my kind of thing — but I’d go if invited.

  351. “BLM is a joke. When they start neighborhood watches in their own neighborhoods I’ll be impressed.”

    Blacks stopped insanity of Devil’s Night.

    The good people stood up and started patrolling the neighborhoods.

    And the media started calling it Angel’s Night…. made the main story of the night about the gokd people fighting back.

    Before that, we would have media outfits as far away as Japan waxing the dolphin to the fire.

  352. Before that, we would have media outfits as far away as Japan waxing the dolphin to the fire.

    Usually I speak perfect typo but that confused the hell out of me. Masturbating?

  353. Hell no. BLM is radicalized by your friends. They are a leftist version of jihadi sympathizers and ignorant storm troopers. The last thing they every would want are solutions.

    We fucking warned you President Community Organizer was playing with fire.

    With ISIS so engraved in the national consciousness and freedom of expression stifled in universities…. I expect more MSNBC echo chamber fueled terrorist attacks. A sort of copy cat syndrome based on Stinkbeard savagery and pure stupidity. And some white supremacist pay backs as well.

    I got a very bad feeling about this.

    So glad to no longer live next to black people. So glad to have a quick escape to my shit hole in the country .

    Obama was never really President. At best, he led like an asshole Congressman. At worst… A punk and a liar. But leader? The worst.

    It’s so sad what your friends have done to the black community and this country as a whole. Photshopping faces, turning hispanics white, lying about friendly giants. Completely ignoring the black murder rate. Rule of law trampled. Politicians stoking the fire.

    http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/off-duty-st-louis-county-officer-fatally-shoots-intruder-at/article_00c6c2bd-d559-5b78-a8f1-e78187dfa2a6.html

  354. I have “unfollowed” and “unfriended” numerous people from Facebook over the last few months. I use it to keep in touch with family and friends. When I find myself with the urge to dive into a discussion I have to resist. Plus I’m on a school board now, so I’m no longer a private citizen.

  355. BLM is the logical outcome of a community that is little more than a sculpted turd. Obama is just the latest in a string of politicians and “leaders”,both black & white that has tried their hand at molding it.

    When the president praises the Black Lives Matter demonstrators, as if they alone of his fellow countrymen know that platitudinous truth, he is only reinforcing black grievance, when his proper role is to convince ghetto blacks that their lives matter enough for them to take responsibility for them, to stop going around with chips on their shoulders and Glocks in their waistbands, to be fathers to the children they beget, and to set for them an example of the responsible citizenship that is theirs for the asking, thanks to the efforts of so many of their countrymen, white and black, living and dead. Myron Magnet

  356. Simply put, Black Lives Matter is a violent, racist gang. Its allies from Obama, parts of the news media down to community organizers, drink the blood of innocents as they fire up ignorant people into believing our society is their enemy.

    They do this because they hate our country as it is and they want to destroy our way of life. I took an oath to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic. So far, I haven’t done much except call my representatives, write letters to the letter and vote.

    Congratulations to Huck as a school board member. He is being more than a bystander.

  357. On a completely apolitical note home improvement is not only a pain in the ass but is an absolute misnomer.
    Seriously I’m working on rehabbing some trim & paint in two rooms and relocating the contents of those rooms has made my house look like a tornado hit.

  358. One thing recent Obama and Lynch statements make abundantly clear is that community activists make really shitty leaders. Obama and Lynch sound like anarchist racists instead of two of the most powerful folks on Earth. Petty delusional douchebags the both of them!
    I shudder to think that given the grave state of our academia more leaders in the future will be of the community activist flavor instead of being actual leaders.

  359. Two final points on BLM.
    1) I read an article that was talking up how BLM is a transcendent movement. Bigger than what folks can put their finger on. As back up they used that the Dallas events,and others,are reported as BLM when in fact distinct non BLM entities sponsored the protest/action. I laughed because it isn’t that BLM is so awesome,it’s that even your allied darlings in the media find it too difficult to discern the different niggers so they just lump you all together.
    2) I’m shocked people find BLM a protest movement. If they were a protest movement, instead of the shake down grievance scam that they are, they would alter their tactics.A small portion of 12% is only destined to be crushed. Sadly a slice of the 12 is going to pay the price.

  360. “I shudder to think that given the grave state of our academia more leaders in the future will be of the community activist flavor instead of being actual leaders.”

    I know. And you’re right, we have an endless supply coming down the pipe and and a DNC salivating to use them against nation.

    That’s why I am saying get the fuck out of the city!

  361. The myth of Black Lives Matter…

    Apparently the Black Lives Matter movement has convinced Democrats and progressives that there is an epidemic of racist white police officers killing young black men. Such rhetoric is going to heat up as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders court minority voters before the Feb. 27 South Carolina primary.

    But what if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.

    To judge from Black Lives Matter protesters and their media and political allies, you would think that killer cops pose the biggest threat to young black men today. But this perception, like almost everything else that many people think they know about fatal police shootings, is wrong.

    The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.

    For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015’s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.

    The lower proportion of black deaths due to police shootings can be attributed to the lamentable black-on-black homicide rate. There were 6,095 black homicide deaths in 2014—the most recent year for which such data are available—compared with 5,397 homicide deaths for whites and Hispanics combined. Almost all of those black homicide victims had black killers.

    Police officers—of all races—are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.

    Some may find evidence of police bias in the fact that blacks make up 26% of the police-shooting victims, compared with their 13% representation in the national population. But as residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.

    Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force. ~ Heather McDonald

  362. And just in case folks see only “pro cop maxims” in MacDonalds work she has also done stuff on how de-policing and de-incarceration has negatively impacted the good folks in bad places.

  363. I honestly don’t think BLM is truly convincing Democrats of anything other than they represent a voting bloc to be pandered to. Democrats are are fighting at the bloc level, these days. That is how Obama won, and I think it is a strategy they will continue with.

    Unfortunately, what comes with that is more identity politics, because those blocs tend to be made up of racial and social demographics.

  364. A conflict from what you wrote, Tex. You said “Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.”

    But here, it’s 18 1/2 time for likely. Holy shit.

    “Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to MacDonald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.”

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

    I guess that’s “nuance?”

  365. Oh, I see the “unarmed” part might account for the difference — but still a “holy shit” stat.

  366. The pile of garbage dressed as the first black Miss Alabama said she doesn’t feel bad for the police shooting victims.

    The shooting in Michigan should make her giddy.

  367. Shooting in MI seems to be at a courthouse by a person who was already in custody. 2 courthouse workers dead, as well as the shooter.

    Based just on that, this seems to be another incident resulting in poor training practices, because I can’t see how a person in custody in a courthouse is allowed in any kind of proximity to a firearm.

  368. Don’t ever think this supposed police racism is anything more than to gin up the black vote for Hillary Rotten. That’s what is motivating these white Lefties. Get out the bloat…

  369. I’ll agree with the Dallas police chief that the cops are expected to do too much. But I do NOT think that adding cops or adding mental health assessors or adding more surveillance or adding ANY more government will solve anything. I believe the government and the ‘free press’ ( ha ha ha ) create or exacerbate ALL the problems in our society.

    http://filmingcops.com/parents-devastated-after-police-say-we-dont-have-time-for-this-and-murder-their-mentally-ill-child/

    All we have done since 911 is increase security and take away freedoms. Their fear porn gave them bigger budgets, greater and wider surveillance capabilities for information gathering and monitoring, additional government agencies with hundreds of thousands more enforcers, all of which are constantly running drills that mix in actors and effects. These involve multiple uniformed and plainclothes agents with multiple agendas, all culminating together on the street where we live. No one knows more than what is given them for their capacity in their department. Compartmentalized people are ripe for exploitation.

    Virtual and reality are crossed lines to us today. If we ‘see’ it on a screen, we think it is real. Threats are both real and imagined and many come from places we don’t expect. Diversionary tactics and non-conventional warfare is the current way of government. Chaos is intended and often what we get. Lies are what we are told over and again by know liars and their benefactors.

    This is problem>reaction>solution, the typical way government gets things THEY want and tightens its grip on its peoples.

    People should take more responsibility for policing their own families and neighborhoods. That is in essence what the founders envisioned for us and true common sense dictates. When you give away your power to others, you cannot expect others to protect your interests. History proves it and human nature confirms it. Every day.

  370. “Based just on that, this seems to be another incident resulting in poor training practices”

    That or people brain fart…. Let their guard down. It’s easy to do.

    When we do it we accidentally send to many copies to the printer. When they do it they die.

  371. This is reminding me of the 2005 Brian Nichols shooting at the Fulton County Courthouse here in Atlanta. We were counting heads to be sure no one was there when the news broke. Nichols overpowered female bailiff in holding chamber alongside the courtroom, then ran through the halls to kill the judge that he thought was responsible for putting him away. Sad. The judge was a good man. Some staff got killed too. But when you saw how out of shape and unprepared the female bailiff was, it was hard to see why she was carrying a gun at all around the guy.

  372. Alfie, so everyone can see it: dude is not standing not charging cops … on the ground. Struggling yes. Resisting, yes. Cops couldn’t subdue him any other way than deadly force? Like I’ve said repeatedly:

    Iffy
    Iffy
    Iffy
    Not a slam dunk good shoot.

  373. But when you saw how out of shape and unprepared the female bailiff was, it was hard to see why she was carrying a gun at all around the guy.

    Wow, imagine that. Someone who shouldn’t have had a gun!!

  374. The media, Alfie, are not the only ones having trouble discerning the good negro protesters from the bad.

    Every protest has the potential to be hijacked. It’s a risk we run. I believe protest is protected by the first amendment, is it not?

  375. Wow, imagine that. Someone who shouldn’t have had a gun!!

    A lot of people that have them shouldn’t, Rutherford. It is more a reflection on her superiors that an incident like this happened. If she was not capable, they should not have left her in that position. Though she may have the legal credentials to carry a firearm, she may have lacked the proper respect for the weapon or may not have understood the danger of the job. All criminals need is an opportunity.

  376. Yeah but they’re not even trying. I think a lazy media that just calls every black guy with a sign BLM does a disservice to a number of people. The general public is left to believe BLM is everywhere and everything. BLM gets the blame for everything.The other entities don’t get the exposure. That last one is actually important to me because I think it important to know the true scorecard of the game you’re watching.
    As for the video at least we can now disagree from our individual footings. Thank you.

  377. Democrats are are fighting at the bloc level, these days. That is how Obama won, and I think it is a strategy they will continue with.
    Unfortunately, what comes with that is more identity politics, because those blocs tend to be made up of racial and social demographics.

    I don’t get the point. Each party targets a bloc. And if you don’t think courting fed-up whites is identity politics, then I don’t think you’re looking at things correctly.

  378. Pffft. Imagine that. A phyically weak female in a position of having to secure or subdue a dangerous felon. Maybe we shouldn’t have female bailiffs in the unattended holding cells. But that might be sexist.

  379. Until I saw the 2nd video yesterday I didn’t know Sterling was going for the cop’s taser.

    Watching him die was haunting. I can still see it.

  380. If you are resisting arrest, it is not an iffy shoot.

    Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks agrees with you. His advice: if you resist arrest, the police will kill you.

  381. “I don’t get the point.” Yes, you don’t get most of them lately.

    “Each party targets a bloc.” Yes, but Obama saw and targeted blocs where others didn’t. He turned it into micro-level targeting. This is not a theory, it’s a known fact. So the point is, while 1 person might see blacks as a single bloc, I’m saying Dems will see blacks as multiple blocs, with BLM being one of them.

    “And if you don’t think courting fed-up whites is identity politics, then I don’t think you’re looking at things correctly.” I’m pretty sure I have said as much multiple times and equally sure I’ve never even hinted at giving Trump a break in that area. You should take notice that when I said it will lead to more identity politics that I didn’t mention a particular party. That was not an accidental omission.

    If you did less assuming about what people mean and did more reading of the words they write you might get more of the points they are trying to make.

  382. “This bullshit about not condemning groups for the actions of individuals is fucking ironic.”

    Everybody does it when the individuals can be made into boogeymen that confirm their perceptions about the group they supposedly represent.

  383. That was not an accidental omission

    I thought the context made it clear you were addressing Dems and not politics in general. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

  384. Muffy, as I make an attempt to step back a bit, I see lots of bullshit. I got an earful of it at the Comey hearing last week. I’ve always felt I was a Democrat. Now the Dems tend to embarrass me.

    I’m an independent until further notice.

  385. Meg Kelly is having a panel right now with 15-20 people. What I have noticed on this and every other panel without exception is that the people who are anti BLM conduct civilized discourse and those who are pro BLM make complete asses of themselves and are some of the rudest people I have ever seen in this kind of setting.

    There is only one solution I see to this. Tell people in advance that at these protests if you throw an object a police officer they are justified using deadly force against you. Nothing short of that will calm these BLM people.

  386. BLM is theater, even if the groupies think it something righteous and genuine.

    Any of the major protests that get televised generally film provocateurs that are paid to disrupt peaceful protests in order to give legitimate cause demonstrators a bad rap and look as if they are irrational and their cause unjust. This is especially true where the demonstration is against a state’s policies. All these protest groups are infiltrated and many provocateurs are bused around the country to be in these protests.

    The teevee people are not going to allow voice to legitimate criticism of them or their evil cohorts.

  387. All these protest groups are infiltrated and many provocateurs are bused around the country to be in these protests.

    Of course, there could be another explanation. A subset of every group are assholes.

  388. Noah, was that Facebook video your idea of some funny racist joke? Mama apparently did not teach junior not to talk with his mouth full of fried chicken. Did he have watermelon waiting in the backseat for dessert?

    Since Africa is not a country, junior made a damn fool of himself. The different countries on the African continent have different governments. I gather some are based on a constitution, contrary to what dumbass says.

    No wonder your racial perspective is so fucked up. He’s your idea of what we sound like.

    Less time on Facebook, dude. (I must admit though, you’re showing me a side of FB I didn’t know existed.)

  389. I intended it no particular way Rutherford, I take the brother as he presented himself. His other videos are similar so I assume he is just being who he is.

    As for my perspective, I live 10 minutes north of one of the worst black communities for crime and violence in the nation. My 501c3 works almost exclusively with black kids and Hispanics so almost all of my experience is first hand.

  390. “Since Africa is not a country, junior made a damn fool of himself. The different countries on the African continent have different governments. I gather some are based on a constitution, contrary to what dumbass says.”

    Dude is talking about Africa in general. And a Constitution is just a piece of paper if it’s not respected. Then again… Getting you to understand that is impossible.

    As for the fried chicken comment….. Why do liberals always turn into their old Klan allies the minute a black person falls out of line.

  391. My brother tells me this story about when his shipped pulled into Somewhere, Africa and all the black sailors were dressed in their Kwanzaa outfits eager to connect with the locals. To their shock, they found a people treating them worse than David Duke.

  392. I do find it striking Rutherford that out of everything the man had to say, you only heard Africa. I wonder. Is it because of your Liberal indoctrination that only allowed you to see that and call the brother out for stepping outside of the box Democrats have set up for blacks in how and what they are allowed to think?

  393. Naw, Rutherford, I think I’m the one who owes the apology. I read back over my comment and can see the basis for your assumption, and was a bit harsh in my response.

    Sorry man.

    But no hugging

  394. Rabbit, giving the guy credit for saying Americans (white and black) have it pretty good, is an awfully low bar. He said a lot of stupid shit. Anyone who says Africa has no constitution has just forfeited his right to argue further.

    To Noah, I think we went down this road during your first deployment here (this place is like Afghanistan 😂😂😂) but remind me. How does your non-profit work with Hispanics and blacks?

  395. Rabbit, giving the guy credit for saying Americans (white and black) have it pretty good, is an awfully low bar

    Men or women who make statements like this are entirely ignorant of the real earth. In fact, they have no idea where the bar sits.

    If you can turn on your faucet and potable water comes out and if you have a toilet to flush, you’ve got it better than about 70% of the world.

    Your apartment would be considered luxurious to 90% of the world, your car to 99.9%. Tell me something Rutherford. If these American blacks are so poor, how is it they’ve got the fanciest phones to record videos and take pictures with at these events?

    Half of this world exists on a few dollars a day…

  396. Rutherford, again, he means Constitutional Rights.

    You’re nit-picking him. And while it might not be the most complex commentary, what he is saying is courageous and true.
    That’s how bad the fascist left is.

    It bugs me you keep calling the guy out over the Constitution thing in Africa. Only two African countries publish sufficient budget information for citizens to know what their governments are spending money on. You can’t imagine the brutal tyranny.

    You can’t fathom the state of affairs in Africa. Hundreds of millions have no electricity. 1/3 no access to clean water. Throw in the warfare that has been comparable to World War II in terms of fucking people up…. Africa is a hell hole.

    Why don’t you spit the fried chicken out!

    What guy in the video is doing is stating a truth so obvious that you should be rolling your eyes at the “no shit” factor instead of embarrassing attempts at trifling.

  397. You overstate and misrepresent my case. We are nothing like Afghanistan. We are not even Chicago, but you don’t take a walk in the evening and you are mindful during the day.

    My 501c3 is focused on keeping kids busy during the summer and in school. We have male (mostly black) volunteers from churches from all over the area to mentor and interact with the kids as the vast majority come from 1 parent homes. Of those who are from 2 parent homes that is most often a mother and grand mother scenario.

    We have computers for them to do their homework with free printing services. We have game systems that they can earn time on. We have a few pieces of gym equipment and nutrition counseling that they can use/attend to earn time as well as school/our program attendance and grades. To combat unemployment and idol time we have a program called ‘Turn Your Hustle Into a Business’ program to help promote self reliance.

    We turned the right half of our parking lot behind the building into a campground we call ‘Hood Rat Camping’ where we teach basic wilderness survival skills.

    We provide a conflict resolution and anger management classes to teach nonviolent solutions and how to deescalate tense situations to keep them nonviolent.

  398. No surprise, Huck. Sanders is little more than a pandering red diaper baby and always was. I think the appeal about Sanders might have been he was so open and honest about his desires to strive toward this idiot dream of Leftists have that invariably leads to Venezuela, where people walk over kids shot dead just to get two tubes of toothpaste.

    The Left is so far now from being judged not by the content of their character, that it’s not coming back to reality. Calamity will surely continue to ensue of Clinton happens to win. And that’s the thing. The Left wins and still things continue to grow worse for all but the select few of their party.

    I have little if any pity anymore for the Democrat voter when they find themselves in dire straights. It was a position of poverty and hopelessness they voted for.

  399. Good to see you, Gorilla. Hope Hawaii finds you well. Rutherford once again got body slammed by the fickle finger of Bernie fate today.

    My guess Dear Rutherford is stewing this minute watching MSNBC make all kinds reasons it necessary to unite the party. Now “R” is really feeling the Bern.

  400. Well, with all the success we’ve made in healthcare, racial relations, the economy and government transparency, why wouldn’t things be peachy?

    We’re safer right? I mean, BHO told us so, so it must be true.

  401. A true cutie, Poolman. Definitely a keeper. 🙂 I noticed I looked ‘old’ in all the photographs. LOL

  402. In 2015, of the 990 people shot dead by police, 93 were unarmed and 38 of them were black. Of the 505 people shot dead by police thus far in 2016, 37 were unarmed and of them 13 were black. Given that blacks murder and rob more than whites — they committed 62% of robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country in 2009 (despite comprising about 15% of the population in these counties) — an unarmed black is less likely to be killed by police than an unarmed white.

  403. I notice that with those photos too. Who IS that old guy? 😆 My eldest sent a video of my youngest learning to drink from a straw. It’s like discovering life all over again. Having these young ones around really makes it fun.

  404. We are nothing like Afghanistan. We are not even Chicago, but you don’t take a walk in the evening and you are mindful during the day.

    Yikes. The Afghanistan reference was a play on my comment “the last time you deployed here” – I was calling this blog Afghanistan. Yeah I know the old rule – you should never have to explain a joke.

    Your 503767C36 organization sounds like it’s doing some really good stuff. It makes me wonder why you come off so hopeless. I say this without sarcasm – you are making a difference. Why aren’t you prouder of it? Why don’t you show some admiration for the black kids who are utilizing what you have to offer?

  405. Do any of you know what “low bar” means? We Americans are better off than 80% of the world including most of the African continent. NO SHIT!!! If that’s all the bro was saying then he was wasting my time with the obvious. And then I get a lecture from Tex and Rabbit restating the obvious.

    I said he met a low bar.

    I’ll get to the true foolishness of his comment later. It’s time for dinner – not fried chicken.

  406. Yes, there is a great deal of good that comes from it. It is a needed resource to the community. My take on it is because for 8 years I have lived the reality. Parents exploit my facility to push their parenting and child sitting duties onto us. At the first sign of an expectation not being met, I get comments like If a black man were running this, they would understand, they would do it. Your not black, why are you even here. Who are you to judge me/us. I can do 99 things right and even if the 100th thing is right but they disagree with it, I am suddenly a pariah. Its about 10 steps past being thankless and not everyone is that way but a lot are. More than there should be anyway.

    As for being proud. We are filling a critically needed service to a people who don’t realize how much it is needed. Consequently they don’t place a lot of value in it beyond what they can get out of it. They place the same measure to most things in life, ie “what does it do for me?” and their appreciate and estimation of worth/value directly corresponds to the answer to that question. There is a significant percentage of kids who go through our program who before going in place no more value to human life than they would a cat. We certainly have reached some but again not as many as I feel we should. I am combating a culture that at its core has a fundamentally different set of values and priorities. The most prolific example being that the appearance of success is more important than actual success. 1 in 20 thinking beyond tomorrow or next week.

  407. So here’s the primary reason Fried Chicken is a fool.

    The mother of a family survives cancer. Kid cuts his finger and starts crying. Dad says “well at least you didn’t have cancer.” Kid has a bad cold. “Well just think, you could have cancer.”

    That’s the dumbass logic used by FC. Folks who think the police are targeting them should shut the fuck up cos they’re so lucky to be in America. Tex has used similar logic that blacks should THANK their ancestor’s owners for “rescuing” them from Africa. It’s like the abusive husband telling his bloodied wife, be glad you have a roof over your head.

    I’ve got some words of advice for FC.

    1) Don’t talk with your mouth full.
    2) Stop talking like Stepin’ Fetchit, you’re a fucking disgrace.
    3) Try a smidgen of compassion.

  408. Here’s your comey connection, Rutherford. Criminals help other criminals.

    “As it turns out, the rumors were true — HSBC escaped prosecution for money laundering because the behemoth bank was “too big to jail.”

    A U.S. Congressional report, entitled “Too Big to Jail: Inside the Obama Justice Department’s Decision Not to Hold Wall Street Accountable,” found officials in the U.K. applied the economic threat cum warning of “market turmoil” to ensure HSBC wouldn’t be subject to prosecution for rather serious allegations.

    Among a multitude of other findings, according to the report’s Executive Summary:

    “Senior DOJ leadership, including Attorney General [Eric] Holder, overruled an internal recommendation by DOJ’s Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section to prosecute HSBC because of DOJ leadership’s concern that prosecuting the bank would have serious adverse consequences on the financial system […]

    “Attorney General Holder misled Congress concerning DOJ’s reasons for not bringing a criminal prosecution against HSBC.”

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hsbc-too-big-to-fail/

  409. I’m certain bobo’s speech was part of the script. Bush’s act smiling and dancing? Probably not part of the script. All the people smiling and laughing on film over these supposed tragedies doesn’t add credibility. I think they can’t help themselves with their duping delight.

    Anyway, here is stuff meant to be funny. Joycamp’s latest video.

    Kill Switch

  410. “Folks who think the police are targeting them should shut the fuck up cos they’re so lucky to be in America.”

    Targeting them for what? To kill them? Come on.

  411. Tex has used similar logic that blacks should THANK their ancestor’s owners for “rescuing” them from Africa.

    It kept your mother from carrying filthy water on her head and your dad from having his arm hacked off.

    It’s like the abusive husband telling his bloodied wife, be glad you have a roof over your head.

    It’s more like hitting the lotto. 🙂 And since just about every black I’ve ever met including you has a latent form of white hatred bubbling right below the surface which will pop it’s head out if pushed just a wee bit, somewhere the ingrate charge seems justified.

    I’m to the point of simply segregating in all of life’s capacities. I won’t even eat in a restaurant anymore that has servers who are black, probably spitting in my food. Don’t trust blacks any further than I can throw them these day.

    Sorry, R. My black plight tank is running on empty. Fuck #BlackLiesMatter. If I were a cop now, I’d shoot first and ask questions later.

  412. Targeting them for what? To kill them? Come on.

    First, targeting them for harassment. I read Castille had auto violations as long as your arm. There is anecdotal data (I think it was found in Ferguson) that blacks have been singled out for minor traffic violations that whites would have gotten away with. NO I can’t prove that. But I know it’s a perception.

    There is also the perception that black males are presumed to get violent in a police encounter.

    So I’m not saying targeted for murder. More like targeted for a hassle that can escalate into a “good shoot”.

  413. Rutherford, were YOU not given enough opportunity or privilege because you are black?

    Both the family I was raised in and the family I have created have been incredibly lucky to be American. Being black has been the least of our problems.

  414. I know many that share your experience but not your sentiments. Maybe Chickin’ Lickin’ Erkle feels like you do.

    Like Tex, I’ve all out of fucks to give. I’m just not going to play along and foster the victim mentality and exploited by the left. It’s effects are obvious. Just look at the state of the urban black community. The racism it’s created isn’t the one you’re complaining about. It’s the one you support.

    The narratives are built on lies for a reason. There’s always going to be racism, and bias and unfair treatment on all sides and among all groups. But playing along with all of this grievance hustling is waaaay worse than ignoring it.

    So, fuck your “targeting” busllshit. In the real world, whites being targeted by blacks is a bigger problem.

  415. The only thing that is disproportionate is the rate at which blacks do crime. Their crime numbers suggest that they are the majority population group in this and other countries but they are by far the minority. When you are 12% of a population but you are in the upper fifty percentile in almost every category of violent crime, you are the problem, not the people reacting to your ‘choice of action.’ To rob someone is a choice. To murder someone is a choice. To rape someone is a choice. When 12% of a population is responsible for most violent crimes it is ”’reasonable”’ to expect that group would be the least trusted in every encounter, not because a person or a cop is racist but because that is what the facts tell us. Every statistic I have posted shows that whites and cops not the problem, other blacks are the problem.

    The Bible has an apt phrase, you reap what you sow.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/07/13/sean-hannity-grills-former-miss-alabama-for-saying-dallas-gunman-was-a-martyr/

  416. http://heatst.com/culture-wars/university-student-who-criticized-black-lives-matter-faces-expulsion-death-threats/

    Hey Rutherford, check out your esteemed ivory tower. Purdue no less.

    Kid makes…. Gasp…. An opinion on Facebook. Gets death threats…. And has to go see if he’s the one that gets expelled for it.

    I have no doubt the puritanical left would burn people at the stake for being apostates if they could get away with it.

    Fascist fucks. An infection.

    Check out one of the black responses… He’s been taught one of Rutherford’s favorites. He can’t be a bigot… He has no power!

  417. The statistics show that between 90 and 94 percent of all blacks murdered as being done by other blacks. Black on black crime. The black community is the most harmful environment for its own people. Many have stood up against the tide of ignorance to state this fact, like that Va’Shona girl in the video. People need to take responsibility for their actions and inaction. The change you want begins in the home. Period. That IS the solution. Anything short of that is enabling and exacerbates the problem.

  418. @ Rutherford if I recall correctly the Ferguson report supported the notion that although people of all colors were getting pulled over in the jurisdiction blacks were not likely to receive warnings.
    I take great exception to your use of the word targeting. I think the word you are looking for but loathe to use is profiling. As un-Constitutional as I found NYPD “stop&frisk one really can’t discount the results.The practice was based on a scientifically derived computation that detailed a profile.

  419. Sorry Tex but I wouldn’t ever say anything could NEVER happen.

    It’s a stupid story. Any man can dress as a woman and do what this guy did regardless of transgender protections. And guess what happens if he gets caught?

    Slammer.

    Like I said, stupid story.

  420. I have had a couple of opportunities to fill up on some really disturbing stuff. Although I don’t like Trump I cannot believe the brazen acts of douchebaggery by leftist entities and the open acceptance of it by leftists.
    You watch a Trump related news video last night on WaPo and you got three anti-Trump cartoons sanctioned and authored by the Post. Anyone who bemoans Trump banning them is out of their mind. I also have started advising people that are either Trumpers or (R)’s to boycott Amazon. Bezos is a Bitch and needs a slap.
    The HuffPoo has been continuing its sanctimonious header & footer notes besmirching Trump.
    On a different note no lane of society is clean. I read an article that was meant to look at what it would take for Trump to actually build the wall. It never answered it in terms of actual money. It only interviewed and put forth the indignant screams of engineer,architects and environmentalist professional groups who are adamant that they will stand against ANYTHING Trump tries to do in building the wall. Their tools include revoking credentials of members who work with Trumps Administration.
    The absolute stacking of obstacles/opposition against Trump and America makes me ask, What exactly do lefties have to say about Citizens United again???
    It’s a real shame that Obama,Clinton & Trump have steered America to the brink. Nobody is reuniting this country EVAH!

  421. I couldn’t get through but a few seconds of the chicken /Africa video but I will say this. There are those that think Garvey was onto something and even more that believe DuBois was absolutely onto something. Except for Bermuda I cannot think of a majority black “state” that is capable of much let alone living up to the myths some black Americans dream about. As for Bermuda there is a definite set of reasons for their success.

  422. Rutherford on the transgendered bathroom issue.

    Its not about Transgender people, its about public safety. I have more than 2 dozen stories (probably closer to 4) of people abusing this new policy, its prolific, not that it matters. Having people to go their gender assigned bathroom makes sense, period. But here is the only point in all of this that matters.

    If you let transgenders in, you also let everyone else in, including sexual predators. For this reason alone we can never allow this to stand.

    One thing that has never changed I see is when the heat gets too hot, R’s commenting gets very sporadic. You cannot reason a person out of a position that they did not reason into in the first place.

  423. Noah, Rutherford’s got more excuses when issues blow up in his face than Barack does broken promises…

    The Target goon taking the pictures was a self-identified “woman” and Rutherford doesn’t like to admit he’s a dope about a great many things, human nature being #1.

  424. “If you let transgenders in, you also let everyone else in, including sexual predators. For this reason alone we can never allow this to stand.”

    Yeah… Ignorant Lawson’s spin is that the perverts will use the bathroom anyways, so no harm letting stick pussy in.

    What he doesn’t understand how most perverts operate.

  425. The man who said this of Hillary Clinton: [she is like]
    “a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital”
    Is the new Foreign Minister of the UK. PM Theresa May has appointed Boris Johnson to one of the top cabinet slots.

  426. Alfie, there is an entire podcast, aptly named the Trumpcast, totally devoted to ridiculing and besmirching the man.

    The Notorious RBG took a swipe at Trump and when Trump REACTED he was accused of picking a fight with Ginsburg. Trump’s famous defense “he started it” may sound childish but he’s dead right. He seldom initiates these squabbles.

    It has been open season on Trump since announcement day and guess what? The people have spoken. And they may very well speak again in November. And I will laugh and mock every talking head who’s been mouthing off for the past year.

  427. Let me repeat for the umpteenth time (and the first time for Noah):

    1) The medical profession recognizes gender maladjustment and has sanctioned reassignment. You don’t like it, take it up with the AMA.
    2) Anyone who violates the privacy of another faces criminal penalty. That includes a crazy WOMAN who goes into the Target female dressing room and starts taking pics. You’re making a big deal about something ALREADY covered by legislation.

    The dude(tte) in Tex’s story was ARRESTED. (S)he wasn’t told “you took pictures, noooo problem”.

  428. Rutherford, this is really simple. The laws that have been passed base transgender as a state of mind. There are no defining physical characteristics that denote who is really transgender and who is a sexual predator. Done. Period. End of argument. Until you can find a way to accurately tell who is transgender and who is not, a man has no place in a woman’s bathroom. There is no argument I have heard to date (even an George Takei took a knee to this argument) that can justify putting women and children at ”’additional”’ risk.

  429. “The dude(tte) in Tex’s story was ARRESTED. (S)he wasn’t told “you took pictures, noooo problem”.

    You think that was the first time he got caught?

  430. 1) The medical profession recognizes gender maladjustment and has sanctioned reassignment. You don’t like it, take it up with the AMA.

    And for the umpteenth time, you’ve once again conflated exactly how the left defines “transgender.” I could easily pose myself as transgender under the guidelines you wish to impose.

    The man had a penis, Rutherford. There is no “adjustment.”

  431. Problem #1: Chris Matthews thinks Bill Maher, a comedian, is worth spending the full hour with discussing matters vital to America.

    Problem #2: in a demonstration of his brilliance, Maher followed a sentence including “no ifs, ands or buts” with a sentence that had “but”. I shit you not. It went something like this:

    “You shouldn’t be shooting cops, no ifs ands or buts. But I kinda understand what drove him to it.”

  432. Maybe you will find this young man more to your liking Rutherford. No chickin wing on a string from burger king to get in the way of your opinion. At the age of 13 I think this young man has it together than most.

  433. I find the “WE MUST DO SOMETHING” attitude humorous.

    On a completely different note, what I don’t find humorous is the Obama administration getting busted trying to subvert the Israeli election. I don’t care for Bibi at all, but trying to influence the election of a country’s leaders is wrong. That it is a country we are supposed to be allied with makes it worse. If he doesn’t want to be pals with Israel, then man the fuck up and decrease diplomatic ties or funding. Don’t pull some BS like this.