If You Can’t Beat ’em …

You know what they say about the insanity of repeating the same action over and over and expecting different results? Well when it comes to mass shootings, that’s what we do. Every time our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the dead and the injured survivors. And that basically is it. Nothing more. 

My conservative readers like to mock the notion that “we have to do something”. That’s primarily because they suspect the something is gun control. They’re actually right that gun control won’t work because:

  • The NRA is too powerful and legislators will not buck them. 
  • Despite the fact that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would be screaming “you idiots!!!” if they saw the current situation, modern day so-called constitutionalists say the 2nd Amendment guarantees everyone a gun who wants one. 
  • There are so many guns already on the street that restriction without confiscation would do little good. 
  • Whenever you restrict a commodity (alcohol, drugs) you get an immediate robust black market. 

This doesn’t mean we can’t do anything. Sometimes you have to admit when you’ve lost the principled fight. This is, in all seriousness, the only option left:

  1. Every high school senior (12th grade) must attend mandatory fire arms instruction. It should be required just like English. 
  2. At the conclusion of the instruction every student should be issued a gun (and a voter registration). 
  3. Students with diagnosed diminished mental capacity would be exempted. 

That done, we now have a society fully armed and ready. If lots of folks at The Pulse were armed, the shooter wouldn’t have killed 49 people. He would have killed a few and those who fought back would have killed him and likely a couple of innocent bystanders. The total dead would not be 49 and the total injured wouldn’t have been over 50. 

Do I prefer this approach? Hell no! But we must face the fact that not long ago 20 innocent souls less than 7 years old were slaughtered and we did NOTHING. 

It’s time to give the legislators what they want. It’s already too late to put the gun-genie back in the bottle. If we don’t take up arms against these radicals and other unstable gun owners, we will continue the current trend of one mass shooting (more than 3 killed at one incident) per day. 

Or we can keep repeating the same response and expect a different outcome. 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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897 thoughts on “If You Can’t Beat ’em …

  1. That’s all you can come up with in terms of similarities and solutions? Seems to me that’s the problem.

  2. Not sure what you mean by similarities. As for solutions, The Pulse and San Bernadino prove that the current laws will not protect us and the laws aren’t going to change.

    If we’re going to embrace the 2nd Amendment then by God, let’s embrace it.

  3. Perhaps there’s more to these than the liberal gun control busllshit. And more importantly, perhaps Americans need more than that stupid divisive bullshit when it’s not the cause and we need to look harder.

    You know, there are places where random stabbings and driving through crowds of people waiting for buses and suicide vests etc. are the norm and carried out by the same types.

    Just saying, the gun control debate is not the solution (as you concede) and exceedingly unhelpful in its purpose. There’s folks like yourself claiming this was all about Christian anti-gays stance with the same clarity you went to Falwell as a response.

    Don’t you get tired of being lectured about our moral failings — blaming/shaming Americans that have nothing to do with this — rather than going directly at the real problem? It’s not the device being used to kill, it’s the guy doing the killing for fuck’s sake. That’s the similarity.

  4. That’s the mantra of every Leftist. WE’VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING!!!! Once again, Dear Leader Obama was out today refusing to include Islam in the conversation because, because, well because that is exactly what ISIL wants us to do. Radical Islam – it’s a political term according to Obama. And all the while, another 49 lay dead.

    I don’t know why the Left is fretting now. You brag you’ve won the culture wars. You own the public education curriculum, entertainment, and most of the media. You bang the Obama drum of diversity. You tell us multi-culturalism will make us stronger. And you add all religions and all cultures are of equal value. The Constitution is secular. We must be secular and phase out religion. Some of you Leftists feel the need to blame Christianity when a gay Islamist, radicalized, kills a horde of queers. That’s the ticket. But the narrative once again doesn’t fit the reality.

    And you get melodramatic – your favorite word by the way to use to describe your political adversaries – when it all goes South. WE’VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING!!!!

    You know that introspection you’re always talking about? Why don’t you reflect on the world you and Dear Leader Obama, and Hollywood, and your packed Leftist courts have created. Ruminate on it. Think about it. Then own up to it. And if you’re honest, you will be forced to conclude:

    You fucked up. You were wrong to allow the culture to be coarsened. You’re hapless imbeciles. You cheapened life and you endangered not only us but you. Your chickens have come to ROOOSSSTTT!!!

    Then live with the consequences of your own making.

  5. We can yell, rant, and blame cast until we are all in lock down. Every action and reaction is causing the state to intrude deeper and deeper into our lives. It has been set up that way on purpose and you are following the prodding and nudges. I posted eric holder’s agenda last thread. Do you doubt his seriousness in that regard? Do you think he represents himself? It may be a bit behind schedule, but this has been an ongoing campaign to disarm the public. It matters not what they – the liars in charge – say. Follow fast and furious and sandy hook ongoing investigations and lawsuits to see the continuing obstruction put forth by this administration. Obama was put in there to get the guns and stir racial strife.

    There isn’t a gun problem in this country. It certainly isn’t a national epidemic, like they would have us believe. Look to our health system if you want a real killer problem. There is no urgency to do something. ANYTHING!! It is the way that it has been framed. This is a government overreach problem. It isn’t a gay, muslim, christian, jew, black, white, woman, transsexual, or any other kind of racial, sexual, or religious problem. Bad, evil government.

    Real gun violence happens everyday in America. Real murders happen all the time. Real terrorists operate with the cooperation of our government.

  6. Rutherford a couple of quick notes on your post.
    You’re absolutely right that incidents like this brings a bout a gun rush. People instinctively feel threatened and therefore buy protection. Another segment understands yet another bugle call to control arms is soon to be sounded so they stock up as well. This is on the legal market,your point of the black market is a whole other level.
    We shouldn’t introduce mandatory gun ownership or training however. I would support high end training for those who choose to purchase a firearm and I would invite the blue states to loosen up on the laws on non and less than lethal options.
    The other spin on your platform I’d make is to tell people to get over themselves and their pollyanna dementia. We live in a violent world and specifically a violent society. If as a society we are unwilling to address the real issues it won’t matter how hard you make getting a gun. When you outlaw guns then only the outlaws will have them. That’s not just an NRA slogan its a sad reality.

  7. Or we can keep repeating the same response and expect a different outcome.

    Perfect. Like with government. What is the pattern? That pathway to totalitarianism?

    That road’s well traveled and has some pretty substantial ruts. It may be a good idea to pull off on the shoulder and check your bearings. 😉

  8. I agree each high school student should have arms training, but I don’t think issuing weapons to everyone who is not crazy is what we need. It would be equivalent to issuing cars to every high school senior.

    In our rural society, many people receive such training while still in grade school. My 10-12 year old cousin and I sat on the spouts of a corn picker and shot pheasants we flushed up.

  9. We grew up playing with guns. Pretend ones at first and on to real ones. Our teevee programming and the movies glorified them. They still do. We are a gun culture. It’s more American that apple pie and baseball. Obama said we cling to our bibles and our guns. His mission has been to pry them from us.

  10. Rutherford talks this shit. Obama does too. Blame the Constitution. Blame Trump. Meanwhile the investigation spans the globe and the war on us by the global caliphate continues.

    No hiding it. I’m in another war, so far a cold one. At home.

  11. How many incidents of Islamic jihad on our country is this now?

    Obama should be run out of town. He hasnt done one damn thing right.

  12. How many incidents of Islamic jihad on our country is this now?

    This one was special. Not every jihadi has a dad known at the white house who could be the next president of afghanistan. Even has a picture taken at the state department. The ‘jihadi’ himself had a career with the largest global security company that also happens to be a fema contractor and is associated with crisis actors. Random?

    Aside from that, there is a definite gayness to this one. The guy was interviewed twice by the fbi. The teevee people have already broadcast the inside rooms of the place he supposedly lived, just like the san bernardino silliness.

  13. Don’t mess with the Great State of Texas. Jihad on Aisle 5 ended with some good news tonight. Two to the chest, one to the head for Mohammed.

  14. Poolman, the others here will be pissed at my humoring you but sure I’ll play along.

    1) Two generic looking black women.
    2) Both Patience and Carter are common names, Carter especially.
    3) Their voices don’t sound at all alike to me.

    You’ve gotta do better than that. Plus, you’re citing what you acknowledge are facts of the case. How can they be facts if it never actually happened?

  15. Trump is too stupid to know that he very well may have touched upon a legit sociological question.

    The MSM is having a conniption because Trump’s version of America refutes the “melting pot”. But my question is this. Is it possible that first generation Americans from immigrant parents might be less likely to assimilate in the 21st century than in previous eras? If I’m not mistaken, Mateen, Tsarnaev, and the San Bernadino killer were all first gen Americans. Is it possible that there is some parental influence interfering with assimilation?

    I’m not dying on the hill defending this. I’m more shooting in the dark. Any opinions?

  16. Jeesh this false flag thing is such a cottage industry that it even has its own jargon – “crisis actors”. 🙄

    On a much more serious note, the DNC servers got hacked and the Russians have oppo research on Trump. But we’re supposed to believe that Hillary’s server was secure? What a clusterfuck.

  17. I’m assuming you’re joking Tex.

    You go to admit the name fitting. 😆 After all, Obama’s “disgruntled worker” cut the poor lady’s head off here in OK last year…

  18. “After all, Obama’s “disgruntled worker” cut the poor lady’s head off here in OK last year…”

    And Obama’s other “disgruntled worker” was in communication with top Al Queda leadership and slaughtered an army base.

  19. “After all, Obama’s “disgruntled worker” cut the poor lady’s head off here in OK last year…”

    If only there were a ban on AR-15s in place.

    Now we have a gay, muslim democrat that committed the worst act of domestic terrorism in history.

  20. Now we have a gay, muslim democrat that committed the worst act of domestic terrorism in history.

    I thought Oklahoma City was the worst. Or Waco. Or did you mean the worse acted.

  21. Snopes.com says Mateen registered to vote as a Democrat in Florida in 2006. Rumors say he hated Trump and he supported Bernie Sanders, but the only fact is his registration in 2006.

  22. The liberal press proves once again that it is merely a propaganda arm for an un-American ideology.

    I read that the Russians hacked into Hillary’s e mails and they are disatisfied with the speed of the investigation. They may release Hillary’s e mails.

    I hope it is true.

  23. The snopes report has the same shill author I have questioned before. Kind of takes the credibility out of the piece, though it could be true. It could also be true that Kim is a fictional character or sock puppet. Regardless, snopes (like npr and democracy today and countless others) has proven itself to be mainly disinfo government shills.

    Kim LaCapria is a New York-based content manager and longtime snopes.com message board participant. Although she was investigated and found to be “probably false” by snopes.com in early 2002, Kim later began writing for the site due to an executive order unilaterally passed by President Obama during a secret, late-night session (without the approval of Congress). Click like and share if you think this is an egregious example of legislative overreach.

    Here is an interesting side of the company that employed the gay jihadi.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/14/3787556/g4s-orlando-shooting-guantanamo/

  24. Another commonality with all these events is the cities are bankrupt and these events bring in federal dollars in addition to the public donations and sympathy. It is a win/win business model to have these staged terror events. Fema is all about it and it keeps budgets intact.

  25. Dude, I was taking pictures of the google cars taking pictures. We were following each other yesterday.

  26. Google is that eye in the sky, maaan. I got a buddy that sets up all their remotes in 3rd world countries.

  27. I dunno. I don’t recall how many dead in OK but I think it was hundreds. I should’ve said the worst mass shooting in the US since I have read that several times.

    As for the piece of shit being a dem, it was only an assumption. And it seems that James found something to substantiate. Are you surprised for some reason? I consider dems and Bernie supporters as mindless and easily worked into violent frenzies. I also consider them racist, greedy and intolerant. In other words, every label you apply to conservatives is a better description of the modern left.

  28. Unless the couple who lost their child to the gator has other kids to care for, their life ended yesterday. I don’t see how there’s any coming back from that.

  29. “But fine, Mateen was an evil, closeted gay democrat.”

    Muslim, gay, democrat. . .

    born of evil Falwell followers.

  30. You know, I want to make it very clear that the ACLU and some gay activists blaming the religious right is dead wrong.

    What you failed to understand in the prior thread is that I think the religious right ARE conflicted in their reaction to the tragedy but I do NOT believe they actively hoped for such mayhem.

  31. I’ve had the epiphany that we must outlaw homosexuality. It breeds violence and contempt and causes great disorder within society.
    We need Gay Control!

  32. I have to say Im lost on the Rights jubilation on the corrected reporting of the gun Omar Orlando used. I came across a WaPo article trying to over intellectualize the differences.
    For fucks sake even Sig uses AR 15 to describe compatibility and upgrades with the MCX.
    The gas operation is the most distinct variation otherwise the MCX looks a lot like a number of true AR15 rifles.
    Rep Ellison is a fucking moron since the MCX is more than a couple of benjamins,its more like 18-21 of them per the pricing I’ve seen. That said a MCX is in my opinion above the level a civilian should be acquiring. I’m troubled by the calibre modules and some of the other add-ons available in many states. I could accept Joe Q Public having one if there was a magazine capacity limit more like 10 instead of 30. I’m in the air on the calibre issue. The .223 via a NATO 5.56 seems ok. The 300 BLK and 7.62 could be used in a sporting setting but the 300 BLK on the streets is troubling for me.

    Any of you guys have an opinion?

  33. Alfie, I can’t speak for the “jubilant.” None of the discussion concerning gun control deals with the root problem and is transparently motivated. It’s a kinda sick in my opinion and started with Obama’s very first address.

    However, the ban that was enacted and now proposed again is for a specific gun, the AR-15, a gun that wasn’t used, thus highlighting the ignorance and misdirection of the most vocal proponants. It was not used in San Benadino, Chatanooga, Charleston, etc. etc., yet it is being offered as the “just do something” solution. It’s absurd. We may as well ban Fords because he drove there… In a Chevy.

  34. I think AR-15 is what non gun people use for any rifle that looks tactical and can take a magazine of more then 10?

    My brother just got his SCAR back that I have had for the last year. Now that I don’t have it, I realize it’s something I really miss. It’s comforting to have one for the ultimate SHTF scenario.

  35. By machine gun do you mean fully automatic?

    Over rated. You go through rounds so quick… Many of them wasted. Probably be less people killed in Orlando had he had one.

  36. 1) Yes I meant fully automatic. I assume they’re regulated because they do more damage, not less. Should everyone be able to buy one?

    2) I’m gathering an assault rifle is a rapid fire rifle (semi-automatic) that fires multiple rounds quickly but not as quickly or uninterrupted as a fully automatic.

    From my reading last night some rifles come in both varieties. (Full or semi). I’m having trouble keeping track of the names and numbers. I think what I have in the graphic above is an M-16, the military version of the AR-15. The weapon used at the Pulse was a Sagauer(?) which is light weight, collapsible, with minimal kickback so it’s an ideal gun for a wimp to use to kill a lot of people.

    Feel free to mock the last paragraph. I never claimed to be a firearms expert. And as the current essay states, I’ve given up on gun control. We’ve allowed things to get so out of hand that the only way to protect ourselves is to be armed.

    Damn shame.

  37. “Any of you guys have an opinion?”

    Yes. I prefer to kill with my bare hands.

    And Obama is a douchebag.

    There’s your 2nd amendment bullshit.

  38. Sheriff Joe has an Abrams tank. People in his jurisdiction ought to be equally armed. Several years ago there was an incident where Arpaio and Steven Seagal raided a home of someone accused of cock fighting. The person had no weapons and was not a threat but they went ahead and used the heavy equipment to break through the house. Filming the whole time. In the process the tank ran over and killed a dog. Fortunately there were no children in the home. Then Seagal tried unsuccessfully to get the suspect to sign a release so he could use the footage in his show.

    The real reason for that show in Orlando – the ongoing erosion of our constitution.

  39. I came home yesterday to deal with urgent work.

    I have just begun icking rasberries in an outrageous heat index. Two cherry trees have so much fruit the branches are sagging, and Im still icking strawberries.

    Thus, I am in no mood to watch vamires feed on the blood of innocents.

    The answer is with my bare hands unless I decided a 24 hour lou of Sofia Jannok would be slower and more torturous. She does hate Obama, and I dont think she harbors much love for Hillary. She has that going for her.

    Our key board has lost its letter after O.

  40. Full auto weapons require a special federal license R.
    As rabbit said fun but wasteful.
    Assault weapons bans usually look at an entire class and aim for certain points. Handle,sights,magazine,suppressor and trigger pull being pretty standard.

  41. We should probably ban the Internet while we’re at it. It seems this ability to communicate and share ideas is what starts the process that ends in slaughter.

    Why not just cure the problem at the source?

  42. “Yes I meant fully automatic. I assume they’re regulated because they do more damage, not less.”

    They’re regulated because the government wants a house advantage.

  43. That Guccifer Link is classic! 😆 😆 😆

    No wonder Stephen Spielberg didn’t want to talk “about Hillary” yesterday.

  44. Ok I’m a bit thick. Is Gucifer saying he hacked the DNC and not a team of Russian hackers?

    The oppo research doesn’t surprise me. SOP for campaigns. Just really bad it’s available to our enemies.

  45. Alfie I knew fully automatic was federally regulated.

    No one has answered my question. Should they be? Should everyone get to have a machine gun and if not, why not?

  46. Two questions:
    Will Trump get dumped in Cleveland?

    Is Trump a paid Hillary plant to ensure her election?

    He now comes dangerously close to accusing Obama of treason. Even if this warms the cockles of the average GOP’ers heart, they’re still not happy publicly.

  47. Rutherford, “everyone” doesn’t get to have a gun right now, so the answer is “no, everyone should not get to have a machine gun.”

    Of course, now will follow the many clarifiers that you should have originally given if you intended to press us on such an absurd question.

    Or you can just move on, which is probably the better option.

  48. Rutherford you’ve asked some questions and I”l offer some answers.
    Will Trump get dumped in Cleveland?
    No but I highly suspect he is going to be “challenged” rather aggressively to solidify a platform.
    Is Trump a paid Hillary plant to ensure her election?
    I don’t think so. I joked about it early on but since he has made some miles out of some talking points I think the two are true opposing forces.
    Should they be? Should everyone get to have a machine gun and if not, why not?
    I second Hucks comment but will add the following expansion. I don’t think any stretching of the 2nd mandates ready access to full automatic weapons or heavy arms. Historically citizens were expected to have a rifle or at least working knowledge of one and the government supplied the rest.

  49. Trump is growing on me a bit – probably not for the right reasons, but I like how he stiffs the media.

    I read a scathing article today by Kathleen Parker, faux Republican, who was steaming ass because Trump yanked the press credentials of the WAPO. ** GUFFAW ** And the best part was a lot of the other media and millions of Americans were cheering Trump on for doing so and she was hurt by the response.

    Great stuff.

  50. Trump is growing on me a bit – probably not for the right reasons

    Trump is the devil on your right shoulder. Question is who is the angel on your left shoulder? Paul Ryan?

    Damn I wish he hadn’t said he wasn’t running.

  51. I side with Trump on the media blockade. I say he should extend it to Vox and definitely HuffPo. It causes a discussion to be had that the People deserve to have. I’m in the air on what he should do in the event he wins.
    I’m confident if he does win he will get a daily vetting by the bulk of the MSM unseen for a looooooonnnngggg time.

  52. CIA Director John Brennan basically tells Congress that Trump is correct, today. And Obama wrong, yesterday.

  53. Got a question for you, Rutherford.

    What is the difference between Obama and Clinton? Why do you hate her but think he is a “mediocre president.”

  54. I’ll give you the short answer. I believe if you create two columns and put her lies in one and his lies in the other, she will outnumber him, ESPECIALLY as candidates.

    The worst anyone said about Obama ’08 was that he was inexperienced and his resume was padded (I’m not including the birthers). He was not accused of being a serial liar.

    My main problem with Hillary is she is as corrupt as the day is long.

  55. “He now comes dangerously close to accusing Obama of treason.”

    Trump’s an asshole for many reasons, and things like this adds to the list.

    But I didn’t see this level of outrage when the entire Republican party was being called treasonous terrorists, and every other name in the book, by the entire Democratic party, day after day after day.

    We’ve said it numerous times and we will say it numerous more–we warned everyone this would happen, and we warned it would sting when it did.

  56. Rabbit what’s your source of cringe? I think the white gay dude had a point. They show up for some community support and then get insulted for being white. That’s fucked up.

  57. Huck I think you’ve got a bit of false equivalency going here. I wasn’t following politics that closely in 2004 but I don’t recall John Kerry being a Truther. On the contrary, those supporting the incumbent launched the vile swift boat campaign against Kerry.

    In suggesting that Obama is an ISIL sympathizer, Trump has broken new ground.

    Trump is so out there that no one even pays attention to Rush anymore. Rush said Obama talks like ISIL’s “defense attorney” and no one even blinked. Trump has even drowned out the crazies.

  58. A thrill ran up my leg last night. I was listening to the podcast “Trumpcast” and host Jacob Weisberg had an expert on fascism as a guest. He asked the dude if Trump was a fascist and the dude said “no”. I cracked up because that clearly was not the answer Jacob wanted or expected. Mofo’s producers hadn’t properly vetted the guest, I figure. It was truly hilarious.

  59. Who here votes for Mateen’s widow to spend some time in the big house? I’m hearing she cased the bar with him, accompanied him on an ammo purchase, but “tried to talk him out of it”. Dudes father looks shady to me too.

    That’s the problem with Trump. Deep within the pile of manure, are bold truths none dare speak.

    On MoJo this morning they tried to make having a Scottish mother (Trump) equivalent to having Afghani parents (Mateen). Sorry, false equivalency. Scots don’t support Sharia law.

  60. I own 4 guns.

    Man…. Wouldn’t it be nice if they didn’t exist? I would go back to the era of when you killed a motherfucker by running a sword through his entrails in a second.

    I promise you the left would be trying to take away the 2nd amendment, nonetheless.

  61. Historically citizens were expected to have a rifle or at least working knowledge of one and the government supplied the rest.

    Well therein lies the rub, no? The citizenry must be sufficiently armed to defend itself against a tyrannical government. Isn’t the 2nd Amendment rendered moot if the citizenry are outgunned?

    I say machine guns and tanks for everyone!!! I need to be prepared when they come for my guns! Dammit, you’ll take it from my cold dead hand!

  62. “Isn’t the 2nd Amendment rendered moot if the citizenry are outgunned?”

    No. A successful insurgency really only needs to match up rifle to rifle, with the occupying force having all the rest of the tech.

  63. Tanks wouldn’t help us, since we aren’t tankers.

    Tanks won’t be a part of the equation on our end.

  64. You see, Rabbit that’s where you’re delusional. Your four guns and your Michigan militias don’t amount to shit if the Fed really decided to get serious on your ass. That’s why all you weekend warriors are such a joke.

  65. James I fully understand why Nam vets might be angry at peacenik Kerry but I think they overdid it.

    Short of being a Bergdahl, if you served, your service should be respected even if your politics are anti war.

  66. And I think you’ve got a short memory, Rutherford. Allow me to refresh it…

    “Now, extreme views about women, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups, we expect that from people who don’t want to live in the modern world, but it’s a little hard to take from Republicans who want to be the president of the United States”

    “We cannot let a minority of people, and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people, hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people.”

    We are for cutting spending. We’re for reforming our tax code. We’re for reforming our entitlements. What we’re not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest. We’re not going to do that.”

    “This is more than just obstructionism, this is political terrorism.”

    “Paul Ryan, who teamed up with Akin in the House to sponsor harsh anti-abortion bills, may look young and hip and new generation, with his iPod full of heavy metal jams and his cute kids. But he’s just a fresh face on a Taliban creed”

    “[Republicans] want to use legislation as a way to act like terrorists. They hold things as hostage.”

    “Between 2002 and 2009, the leading terrorist groups in this country were the Republican Party”

    “[Republicans] have acted like terrorists.”

    “These last few months, much of the country has watched in horror as the Tea Party Republicans have waged jihad on the American people.”

    And the list goes on and on and on…….

  67. Rutherford, Kerry’s service and anti war agitation is not the issue to me and many others. He abandoned his fellow Navy warriors with a loop hole which let him leave before his tour should be over. One who exceeded three wounds wounds could leave the field of battle before his year long tour ended.

    His wounds were minor and he used them to apply for early
    departure. One may have been accidently self-inflicted.
    Later, he defamed his fellow soldiers, and when some of them threw their medals over the White House fence to protest the war, he pretended to throw his medals, but he actually kept his and threw someone elses’.

    Kerry is a dishonorable man who abandoned his fellow warriors. If he said the awful things, Huck cited, it doesn’t matter if he was president, on vacation, or running for president. He was lying as surely as he lied when he threw another man’s medals over the White House fence.

  68. Rabbit is not necessarily delusional. It depends on how you do it and your numbers. I have shown a video of the war in Sarajevo and how average people fought.

    The Norwegian Sami staged a combination riot and legal action to overwhelm law enforcement and before it ended in compromise the government was ready to deploy the military.

    Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia won independence from the fading Soviet Union with the so called Music Revolution. It took four years, and people died. Numbers, timing and the support of observers made the difference.

  69. You see, Rabbit that’s where you’re delusional. Your four guns and your Michigan militias don’t amount to shit if the Fed really decided to get serious on your ass. That’s why all you weekend warriors are such a joke.

    They don’t just intend to point the guns at the Fed. They intend to point the guns at you too. I’ve watched one madman with a gun bring an entire campus to its knees. Don’t underestimate what a thousand good shots can do.

    Let me tell you something about the U.S. military, Rutherford. Don’t be so confident they’ll march lockstep with Obama’s orders or Rotten’s orders for that matter. There is no love loss for either one of these scumbags, as evident by Obama’s 15% approval rating with actively serving military.

    You start asking the U.S. military to aim their big guns at American citizens and their own kin, I think there’s a better than even chance the totalitarians and other military haters like you are going to find the big guns pointed right at you.

  70. I saw a statement today that I believe accurately describes the gist of the argument about AR-15s by the Left.

    Remember, none of this is about saving lives. It’s about the cultural domination of the people in flyover country by their coastal “betters” who get a near-erotic thrill out of such domination, and who are reduced to blind rage whenever their efforts at domination fail.

  71. “I’ll give you the short answer. I believe if you create two columns and put her lies in one and his lies in the other, she will outnumber him, ESPECIALLY as candidates.”

    There has been no greater liar in the white house, including Nixon, than the current corrupt sonofabitch.

    You complete him.

    Hillary has her work cut out for her to equal Obama.

  72. The attempt to dominate fly over country is real. There is no coincidence why Obama is flooding small towns with illeagals.

  73. “Your four guns and your Michigan militias don’t amount to shit if the Fed Brits really decided to get serious on your ass. That’s why all you weekend warriors are such a joke.”

    You can almost hear some 18th Century Loyalist uttering those words.

  74. I think Tex nailed it. Rabbit’s only real hope of successful insurrection is a military coup.

    I’m on very shaky ground predicting the military’s allegiance to any particular POTUS.

  75. Muffy, put down the koolaid. Your comparison of Obama to Nixon is absurd. In fact, you helped make my case. The prior president Hillary most reminds me of is … wait for it … Nixon.

  76. Sofia Jannok has released a couple more videos. One is in English, and she demonstrates her skills with a sharp knife. Sofia could easily kill a few attackers. Considering how she grew up, her proficiency is not a surprise.

    She says what many in flyover country are thinking and comes close to today’s comments.

    Sofia says with her two videos in effect ” This is our country. We, not you built it. You come here with orders that we must adjust some small thing. We do, then you demand more.

    You are gradually stealing the air we breath as you destroy us peacemeal.”

    “You say this girl is no longer welcome in her own land. Well, I say you go first because this is my land… This is my pride. This is my freedom. This is the air that I breathe. And if you aren’t listening…”

    “If you open up your eyes, you will see someone is lying.”

  77. “Muffy, put down the koolaid. Your comparison of Obama to Nixon is absurd. In fact, you helped make my case. The prior president Hillary most reminds me of is … wait for it … Nixon.”

    Your only case is one of blind faith in an idol who wouldnt know the truth if it was written on his teleprompter.

  78. “Rabbit’s only real hope of successful insurrection is a military coup.”

    First of all… This isn’t me posing as some kind if wannabe Mujahideen.

    But… You really need to go read up on the history of guerrilla warfare and insurrections. And often times, these were people who started off unarmed!

    I don’t know if this is urban legend or not, but I always heard the Soviets sent spies to watch deer season in Michigan. Their jaws dropped. They realized occupation of Michigan would be impossible. We are armed and can all rendezvous in different remote areas of the woods in our sleep. Each of has one or more remote areas we know like the back of our hand. Fucking tree stands set up! Throw in knowledge of our home towns…. Sheeeeeeeeeeit. It’s gonna be nasty.

  79. The Singing Revolution also supports rabbit’s theory of revolution. I don’t know if it is true, but I also read that Soviets sent spies to Michigan.

    We know about Jessi James and his disaster at Northfield, Minn. Some one in the area told me the coordinated shooting succeeded because it was the start of deer season.

  80. “But… You really need to go read up on the history of guerrilla warfare and insurrections”

    He won’t. It’s easier to just discount it all with talk of A-bombs and tanks against a group of 4 or 5 guys with a few guns that call themselves a militia.

  81. HAs America finally decided that being a helpless pussy is a virtue? For fuck’s sake. The guy actually wrote that shit expecting approval from his readers and hugs from his liberal friends. And I’m sure he received plenty of both.

  82. Get a clue. Not everyone views guns the same way.

    From what I understand he would have had a better experience with the Sig. Lighter weight and less kickback.

  83. “Get a clue. Not everyone views guns the same way.”

    Oh I got that. Get a clue. That’s what makes it so fucking funny. But at least we got the agenda-driven little pussy’s persepctive that no one needs yet I’m sure you find enlightening.

  84. Ok I have to call bullshit on the ridiculous article linked up regarding the Kuntzman guy. The AR 15 and its clones are NOT loud,do not have painful recoil,and your expended brass usually doesn’t go farthe than your trigger hand wrist.
    The guy totally lied his ass off to put forth an agenda piece.
    My experiences include firing an AR15 but also an M16A2 full auto and I can say I never experienced the litany of angst Kuntman reports.

  85. Let’s concede Kuntzman is a wimp. News flash: wimps get to have opinions too.

    If I’m not mistaken Alfie, James and Rabbit have served their country and received formal firearms training. I get their familiarity and relative comfort with these weapons. For the rest of you (ahem Tigre) it’s little more than macho swagger.

  86. I’m not advocating gun buys,hell I currently do not own one myself. I am just calling for some reality. Trust me R you’d be surprised how easy a wide array of weapons are to handle. On the other hand there are firearms that are very impressive in how they remind you of their raw power and mechanical pain in the ass-ness.
    Pro gun or anti-gun and everything in between would be well served to attend a professional firearms demonstration.

    As for wimps get to have an opinion too. I’m not trying to suppress his First I’m just saying if he wants to piss on the Second perhaps should be more honest.I’ve watched very feminine females fire BushMasters and they had no problem or comments of fright. More like episodes of experiencing an acknowledgement of the rifles internal and external power. I liken it to holding/using a chain saw. Ironically I’m actually kind of a pussy when it comes to those lol.

  87. I shouldn’t write this because I probably am insulting someone. Sarah Palin and Sofia Jannok are similar, though Jannok has more polish. Both are more manly than that poor piece of quivering sensitivity.

    We fired the M 16 and M 14 on the range. The M 14 had a harder kick. I thought those WW11 and Korean veterans were tougher than we.

  88. P.S. the feminine females & Bush Master is not soft porn alliteration btw. I’m just hinting at that a very feminine female can handle what I think is generally considered one of the less refined AR style rifles.

  89. No lie there James. Add to the list the M1 and you really have to count your blessings you served with an M16 and appreciate those before you had it harder for sure.

  90. Chainsaws are no joke.

    Ironically… Rutherford’s Sig in 40 caliber without that pinky extension modification is very uncomfortable in my big paws. Not fun.

  91. I do hate flying brass. Particularly as a lefty. Doesn’t give me PTSD, but is one of the reasons I’m a revolver man. Never shot a left handed pistol.

  92. “For the rest of you (ahem Tigre) it’s little more than macho swagger.”

    Since I’ve shot one, not really. What he said is a fucking joke.

    But by all means, you believe him, defend his right to be a pussy, and pass off the bullshit as legitimate reporting. It’s his right.

  93. I think we should ban all guns, and that way nobody will be able to have guns.

    Like we did with drugs.

  94. This celebration of the “untough” and cowardly by Rutherford and the left is concerning.

    This country rests on the backs of people who aren’t pussies.

  95. This celebration of the “untough” and cowardly by Rutherford and the left is concerning.
    This country rests on the backs of people who aren’t pussies.

    Are you really stupid enough to believe people who don’t want to use a gun are cowards? What are you? 10 fucking years old?

  96. This isn’t about keeping us safe. It isn’t about protecting us from crazies. The real terror threat is government, and it’s going global. The minds of the masses have to be molded to mind. Whoever controls the media controls the mind, per the lizard king.

    By now all of the actors have come out to play their part at the tugging of america’s collective heartstrings. Media manages the meme. The do something level has again been purposefully elevated. Blame rhetoric has been recast and marketed to the visionless masses. Their mission continues as long as the constitution, that ancient and outdated document, stubbornly stands between us and realized paradise. So the tour continues with obama the lead in this pied piper plot.

    My only question,

    How many wheel contestants and gun grab lobbyists can air force one fly at a time?

  97. “Are you really stupid enough to believe people who don’t want to use a gun are cowards?”

    Nope. But carrying on about your “PTSD” becuase you went to the gun range…. Pathetic.

    There is a standard I hold another motherfucker to. That guy didn’t make the cut. Total dandy.

    Of course, the whole article was probably written before he went to the gun range.

  98. Of course, the whole article was probably written before he went to the gun range.

    THAT is probably the most accurate thing you’ve said. Didn’t the article say he had a videographer with him? Where’s the video?

  99. What the fuck are you doing trying to prop up the pussy that PTSD for firing an AR 15? Jesus. If he said his BMW3 electricmobile was more powerful than anyone needs, would your defense be that he “he’s got right to his own pussy opinion?”

    If you need a fucking video try Google. There’s hundreds with children firing them without curling up in the fetal position and crying about PTSD for fuck’s sake. You’ve got a whole group that’s right here that have fired one, including myself, and that’s your response? Talk about a 10 year old.

  100. Tigre…you know it’s not about the article. This is classic lib behaivor. Cowards, particularly male cowards, are celebrated.

  101. Tigre, putting aside that it was a political puff piece, for an honest broker, perception is reality.

    If your argument is that the guy is politically motivated, you’ve got no argument from me. BUT if you’re seriously going to argue that someone who’s more sensitive than you deserves to be mocked then you’re basically a frat boy. And you’re way too damn old for it.

  102. Cowards, particularly male cowards, are celebrated.

    No. I think the classic lib behavior is that they think gun enthusiasts lack brains. It goes back to Obama’s bible and guns comment. Libs don’t celebrate cowardice. They ridicule what they believe to be intellectually inferior.

    Should that piss you off? Sure it should. That’s what’s poisoning our country right now is everybody dissing everybody else. And the perfect candidate for these times? Donald J. Trump.

  103. “That’s what’s poisoning our country right now is everybody dissing everybody else.”
    “And the perfect candidate for these times?”

    Barack Obama is a shit-talking prick and seems to have always been one, going back to the Choom Gang.

    George W. Bush never talked down to people the way Obama has.

  104. Obama had a crappy father and spent his life trying to do better – being told by everyone he was the smartest in the room – until he started to believe it himself.

    Bush had a war hero and President for a father. Dude, clearly not the sharpest tack in the box, must have had one helluva inferiority complex. On top of that, and I don’t say this as insult, he was probably dyslexic. So no, he didn’t condescend. He came from an entirely different emotional space than Obama.

    To summarize, BO told his whole life his shit don’t stink. GWB told his whole life he couldn’t measure up.

  105. “BUT if you’re seriously going to argue that someone who’s more sensitive than you deserves to be mocked then you’re basically a frat boy. And you’re way too damn old for it.”

    LOL.

    Mocked, scorned, ridiculed, heckled and despised. That’s some unbelievably intellectually dishonest shit. And what’s sad is not so much his being a hysterical pussy, t’s that you exalt being a hysterical pussy as though it’s a virtue. The pussy can’t be mocked because he occupies an untouchable position because. . . he’s sensitive?

    Yet again you don’t know what you’re talking about on the substance, so you steer it towards something you think you understand better –being sensitive and misunderstood.

    I’ll mock anyone that’s this much an ass clown. It’s my right, right?

  106. I really liked George Bush. He had many imperfections, and some of them were not slight. But as a person, he seemed like a really nice guy.

    Like the famous poll, I could see an enjoyable time BBQing with George Bush and family. Politics aside, I don’t think I would enjoy spending time with the Obamas. Maybe that is a product of our cultural differences (of which race would certainly play a part), I don’t know.

  107. Maybe that is a product of our cultural differences (of which race would certainly play a part), I don’t know.

    I don’t think race or culture has anything to do with it. Your respect for academia more closely matches Obama than Bush. Bottom line, Obama is arrogant as fuck. If I had to put money on it, I’d say W would treat me better in a social setting than Barack would.

  108. Yet again you don’t know what you’re talking about on the substance, so you steer it towards something you think you understand better –being sensitive and misunderstood.

    If you’re suggesting I relate better to fear of guns than I do to gun knowledge itself, I could not agree with you more.

    Let me ask you a serious question. If guns terrified your son, would you call him a pussy and force him to get over it? I get why many guys want their sons to play sports. Are guns in the same category?

    In case you (and Rabbit) haven’t figured it out, I could not be further from gun culture. I’m not sure I’ve ever even seen a real gun much less handled one. My father in law had a rifle but I don’t recall ever seeing it. I stopped at cap-pistols. (I actually do fondly recall the smell that emanated from the gun hammer sparking the caps on the roll.)

  109. Since Obama’s arrogance has come up again, I have a question for the bar.

    Trump took heat (even from Rabbit) for saying “I was right” in the aftermath of Orlando.

    But aren’t Obama’s post-Orlando lectures also equivalent to saying “I was right”?

  110. Oh, they all politicize the shooting. And I’m not speaking for anyone else here…. But using the words “congratulate” and “myself” before the warm bodies are even identified is cringe worthy.

    I guess… In this case…. I really do find it political incorrect.

  111. Dude.. Being nervous around guns is fine. Not wanting to shoot guns is fine.

    Go back and read that shit and tell me that is how a man acts. I’m done talking about it. If you don’t get it, then your Dad screwed up along the way with you, too.

    The dandy writes about his phoney hysteria for people who celebrate men carrying on like pussies. Pathetic.

  112. Yes, Obama did roughly the same thing as Trump except that Donald was acknowledging tweeters who were saying he was right. He wrote that being right or wrong was less important than stopping terrorists. He let his followers say he was right, and his post let it be clear he was “right” without his actually saying so.

    Obama is saying he was right to support gun control and telling us we must stop the sale of arms before the next mass shooting.

  113. I agree with rabbit. If you want to know how a real man acts, watch Danica Patrick, Sarah Palin, and Sofia Jannok.

    Shame on the creators of college snowflakes who pervert the true nature of men and women.

  114. “If guns terrified your son, would you call him a pussy and force him to get over it? I get why many guys want their sons to play sports. Are guns in the same category?”

    Not the case, but I doubt it. My son wanted to shoot a gun for his birthday gift. I didn’t grow up having anything to do with guns other knowing some tough guys that like to tote them around. But I disagree with my dad (who fought in Korea and wouldn’t even let me bring a wooden gun into the house) on this. I think it’s safer to have some familiarity and guidance rather than total ignorance. It’s different down here. Most men I know own a gun or would enjoy going out to shoot them. I don’t know any dad that would force a kid to shoot if it frightened him.

    But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD all of this is beside the point. You didn’t ask how I’d feel if my son ran out wrote up bizarrely inaccurate, self-pitying, shameless emasculation piece expecting it to be well-received by those with whom identifies (cough cough, ahem Rutherford). It’s unreal that twits like you and this guy are lecturing everyone on gun ownership. I would never indulge mys son for putting on such a pathetic display.

    And this is why I doubt anyone here takes your blather on gun rights seriously. If you don’t want to own a gun, fine. No one is making you. You and drama queen pussies like this guy? Just shut the fuck up when it comes to others. You live in another universe (but never far from areas where there’s a lot of gun violence).

    You may go back to your safe space now.

  115. I actually get a thrill from shooting guns. I think it’s that raw power thing. I have handled guns and been around them my whole life. I am more comfortable shooting and handling a rifle than a pistol. If noise is an issue, wear ear protection! That is what it is there for.

    The weird thing though is that feeling after a bout of shooting. I find it the same feeling of empty and spent after viewing hours of porn. I don’t know if that is the same experience for others. I never thought about it at the time, just didn’t like the after effects. I think it can be addictive too.

  116. “Obama had a crappy father and spent his life trying to do better…”

    I think abandonment is more damaging than crappy, and “trying to do better” paints too rosy a picture of how he coped with his upbringing.

    It wasn’t just his father either. His mother (named “Stanley” by dissident parents who wanted a boy) was a key ingredient in baking Barack. His formative years were spent being alternately left behind and sent away. And then there’s life on American campuses right about the time the left took over and began turning them into storm drains for emotional wrecks.

  117. ““Muffy, put down the koolaid…”

    I’m wondering if the reason for your hate-on for Hillary isn’t just plain sexist. I mean, “lying?”

  118. Muffy the last person I would have expected to play the sexist card was you. We are not fans of each other by a long shot but I do respect your standing toe to toe with any guy.

    We’re wasting time trading our opinions about Obama and Clinton vis-a-vis lying. No one is talking specifics. But I’ll leave you with one specific. Hillary says she used the rogue server for convenience. That’s a flat out lie because we all know the sensitivity of her job trumps convenience any day of the week.

    As for abandonment, absolutely. “Crappy” was intended to include specifics like abandonment. Say what you like about George’s rumored drinking and coking in his younger years; he clearly had a far more stable upbringing than did Barack.

  119. While we’re on sexism, Rebecca Traister was on Bill Maher last night plugging her new book. Some of her premise:

    1) Slightly more Americans are single now rather than married.
    2) The feminist movement has freed women from the shackles of marriage.
    3) Women “enjoy” sexual freedom including abortion as birth control and don’t need one man anymore.
    4) Women have escaped the old role of taking care of family and home while men worked.

    All this was stated with great glee. What about the downside? What about the dissolution of the American family, the bedrock of a functional society? What about families where labor was divided in a way that best suited child rearing?

    Sorry, the feminist movement has made gains at great cost. I’m not buying what Traister is selling.

  120. “What about the downside?”

    A person would first have to agree the things you listed are actually “downsides”, and feminists, as well as other -ists, have long given up those ideals.

    In fact, many seek to destroy them.

  121. And to be clear, I support a person’s right to reject all of those ideals, in theory and in practice.

    Where I part with SJW is that they do not support a person’s right to support and practice them.

  122. Muffy the last person I would have expected to play the sexist card was you. We are not fans of each other by a long shot but I do respect your standing toe to toe with any guy.”

    That’s because liberals consider themselves morally exempt from such charges.

    “We’re wasting time trading our opinions about Obama and Clinton vis-a-vis lying. No one is talking specifics. But I’ll leave you with one specific. Hillary says she used the rogue server for convenience. That’s a flat out lie because we all know the sensitivity of her job trumps convenience any day of the week.”

    I agree we’re wasting our time, regardless, I’m calling bullshit on “lies” as the factor which distinguishes the two.

    She lies but he made lying cool. Half the country is cool with his lying.

    “Here’s what happened. . . . You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who — who made an extremely offensive video directed at — at Mohammed and Islam . . . making fun of the Prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened, extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya.” -Obama on Letterman, one week after Benghazi.

    One of many. One of many categories in the catalog of Obama’s lies.

  123. LETTERMAN: Now, I don’t understand, um, the ambassador to Libya killed in an attack on the consulate in Benghazi. Is this an act of war? Are we at war now? What happens here?

    OBAMA: Here’s what happened. … You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who — who made an extremely offensive video directed at — at Mohammed and Islam —

    LETTERMAN: Making fun of the Prophet Mohammed.

    OBAMA: Making fun of the Prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened, extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya.

    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/30/what_the_president_said_about_benghazi_116299.html#ixzz4BxwI42MD

  124. Holy fuck. I’m waiting in vain for Obama to say something that is true. Everything is a damn lie.

    “That’s because liberals consider themselves morally exempt from such charges.”

    Truer words never spoken.

  125. @ Rutherford re “I was right”.
    Absolutely not! First Trump is plying a red meat base appeasing mantra that is not without an overall legitimacy but lacking in the situation in the headline.
    Obama on the other hand is beating an old drum with the added stick of hating America as it is AND WILL REMAIN.

    Every news cycle I’m getting more disgusted with this nation.Orlando is being pumped as a combination of epiphany and watershed moment in the American Experience. This is bullshit to the 20th power easy. FUCKING SANDY HOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If we didn’t hold that memory for all its falsely played value how can anyone believe we’re going to alter our souls for a pack of latino queers.
    I’m a dark fuck and I admit I was done with Orlando as soon as I heard about it but I can’t imagine anyone really cares except for opportunistic homos who want to paint the next bit of their agenda literally with the blood from the poor fuckers that only went clubbing one night. I think part of the proof of this is how any new/more immediate gun control measures are being dressed up as national security measures. Even the most avid anti-gun dickheads know they’ve created a cross dressing bit of legislative action.Keeping people on one of the 4-5 terror lists from buying a gun isn’t gun control,its common sense. (R)’s will say look at us on national defense while maintaining gun rights for the masses. (D)s will say look at this solid bit of gun control keeping us safe. They’ll both be silent on the average Chicago night follies or the next muzzie inspired fun fest. I’m done.

  126. If we ignore the fog of war defense, Hillary lied about Benghazi too. So in the Muffy/Rutherford tally, it’s two lies for Hillary, one for Obama.

    The FACT Muffy is you (and several others here) have a visceral hatred of Obama. And I am nearly in the same place about Mrs. Clinton.

  127. By the way, her first grandchild, a girl was celebrated all over. HRC now has another with a penis this time and … crickets. Maybe Aidan reminds her of her scumbag husband? 😈😈😈

  128. “If we ignore the fog of war defense, Hillary lied about Benghazi too. So in the Muffy/Rutherford tally, it’s two lies for Hillary, one for Obama”

    Now how about cuttin the rebop. The “fog of war” was a lie about a lie.

    “The FACT Muffy is you (and several others here) have a visceral hatred of Obama. And I am nearly in the same place about Mrs. Clinton.”

    That’s irrelevant. The question isn’t how you or I feel, the question is why. You choose to look the other way when it comes to Obama’s bad relationship with the truth.

    His signature legislation is built on lies.

    “No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise – if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.” – Barack Obama, June 15, 2010

    “If you had or have one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law, and you really like that plan, what we said was, you could keep it… if it hasn’t changed since the law’s passed.” – Same Guy, November, 2013

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance-f8C11485678

  129. Rutherford you can hate HRC and be vocal about Obama’s below mediocre record. I’m really in no mood to watch you walk him softly in the sunset.

  130. Alfie I took an extreme response to your desire that Obama not go quietly into the sunset.

    Short of impeachment, I think his exit will be filled with as much condemnation as his tenure, and honestly that hasn’t been much outside of Breitbart and Fox.

  131. Tigre, did that mean anything?

    By the way until you reverted to the “what a pussy” business I quite appreciated your 9:10 am response. You figure your dads war experience effected his tolerance for even toy guns?

    No guy who wanted to change minds would have written what Kuntzman wrote. He had an audience in mind and it certainly wasn’t you and Rabbit.

  132. Alfie I get your frustration with the gun debate and the bullshit wins that both sides will brag about at current rate and speed.

    The truth is, especially in places like Chicago, the only answer is confiscation and that is never going to happen.

  133. I got my daughter some simple but tedious work to do and with the money she earned, we went out and bought a ukulele. Yes, that’s what she wanted.

    Within an hour she got some nice sounds out of it. She goes out into the apartment courtyard and starts playing and a passerby puts a dollar in her ukulele case. LOL My daughter is a busker.

    Hey Muffy, will you stand guard behind her in the Chicago subway for her next concert? 😀😀😀

  134. “No guy who wanted to change minds would have written what Kuntzman wrote. He had an audience in mind and it certainly wasn’t you and Rabbit.”

    The fact that he has an audience for that shit is pathetic.

  135. “You figure your dads war experience effected his tolerance for even toy guns?”

    Yes. We’ve discussed how it affected his tolerance at length. It was back around the time you were reflexively defending Chrissy Hayes for his “rhetorically proximate” bullshit like you’re reflexively defending Obama with your “go ahead and impeach him” nonsense and now your “pussy’s are allowed to have opinions too” hyper-weirdness. You’re so personally invested in your teevee and political heroes I frankly find it troubling.

  136. No need. It’s what you think defines intellectual. Thinking about my dad’s experiences makes me thank God the world isn’t made up entirely of Rutherford’s and Kuntzmann and Hayeses — none of whom represent intellectualism by any stretch.

  137. I could be Poolman.

    No. You couldn’t do my gig. And I won’t defend Obama. I gave him plenty of grace back in the day. Now he is just another bad actor waiting his turn at the goldman sachs speaking circuit. A hollow man.

  138. “Short of impeachment, I think his exit will be filled with as much condemnation as his tenure, and honestly that hasn’t been much outside of Breitbart and Fox.”

    So, in other words, millions upon millions of people.

  139. Millions and millions overruled by the millions and millions who gave him a second term and would probably give him a third if they could.

    He’s going to campaign for HRC because he can: 50+% approval rating.

  140. Pools despite my gratuitous cheap shot at you, Happy Father’s Day to you too. Folks can say what they like, when you’re not spinning bizarre internet tales you’re doing back breaking work to provide for you and yours. That’s what Fathers Day is all about Charlie Brown. 😊

    And to the new granddad, a double shot of Happy Father’s Day, Tex.

  141. Happy Fathers Day everyone.

    My parents were married on this date back in 1939.

    I agree with Rutherford. Obama could probably win a third election and maybe become president for life.

    Many of his supporters are fools. Others are un American ideologues who want to recreate America in their image.

  142. “Dreams from my father but son uninterested in his actual words.” PJ Media

    An archivist discovered a pile of boxes in the Shomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem. They held letters and other documents from Obama’s father. The center invited Obama to look at the letters in 2013, but so far Obama has not had the time.

    Bill Ayres, the probable ghost writer of Dreams of My Father might be more interested.

    A commenter joked that Obama’s daughters are working on a sequel. “Lies of Our Father.”

  143. “Holy fuck. I’m waiting in vain for Obama to say something that is true. Everything is a damn lie.”

    Everything. And they don’t even care if they know the lie has a shelf life of a couple days.

    It never used to be this way and it scares the shit out of me. People don’t care.

  144. Happy Father’s Day, Fathers. I think everyone of us regulars here who claim “cis-normative” (cough cough), which used to be called male heterosexuals, I think, are fathers if you’re carrying the ‘Y’ chromosome. Most of us besides Rutherford are using the men’s restroom. 🙂 I’m never sure about ‘R,’ as he’ll bend the rules just to bend the rules for argument’s sake.

    Father is about the only title and only thing I’ve ever done that had any lasting impact – and frankly, about the only title I care about (besides grandpa) as I’ve gotten older.

  145. @ R I was specifically speaking of you taking his hand and walking him with love and forgiveness.
    There are a lot of lessons to be learned from the Obama years and the most vocal of them are not necessarily the most important. Obama fans and other left leaners are already discounting their disappointment (disgust in some corners) with him and polishing his legacy. THIS is what I can’t abide. He fucked up pretty large and the few things he did right are not big enough to cover that. He is yet another place holder President but secondary the social media class (aka morons) he’s getting big passes and props he doesn’t deserve.
    I can’t speak for others but I’ve earned an Obama Pail™ or two and have a proven record of being fair with the guy,or at least as fair as a guy diametrically opposed can be. In the future I’ll be fair and honest about the follow through on the few things I think he did right just as I’ll equally berate his legacy projects of homos,healthcare and crimigrants.

    Ultimately my advice to you,for your own health is that you should let him go,don’t make excuses for him (especially since he’s gonna gushingly support she-devil) and stay true to those political values you do hold.

  146. “Millions and millions overruled by the millions and millions who gave him a second term and would probably give him a third if they could.”

    That speaks a lot more to the (lack of) quality of the field than it does about him.

    It is the marginalization and “we won so piss off” attitude you just displayed that people are fucking sick of, Rutherford. I point out that millions and millions aren’t on Obama’s nuts and you counter with “So what? There are even more like me that are.”

    That approval rating means jack shit when it is based on lies, damn lies, and the tribal attitude of those who don’t care about either as long as it’s their guy doing sticking it to the enemy. If you haven’t yet come to understand that then you are still part of the problem.

    As much as we can blame the GOP, that right there is why we have Trump. Obama and his supporters–you very much included–are who began this “fuck you, we won, get over it” attitude and giving a finger to literally half of the country. And the sting is going to hurt like hell when it finally comes back around. It might not be Trump delivering it, but you can bet eventually someone will.

    And Happy Father’s Day

  147. No the guy behind her is a fucking asshole.

    Should I go find the video of the kid who accidentally killed his instructor because he lost control of the gun? Kid scarred for life. Instructor dead.

    You’re a fucking doofus.

    Happy Father’s Day.

  148. While I’m at it, everyone associated with that video should be arrested and charged with child endangerment.

    NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR A SEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL TO HAVE ANY ACCESS TO A SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPON. NONE. PERIOD!

  149. Getting back to our favorite topic of lies and damn lies:

    AG Loretta Lynch is doing the Sunday rotation today and based on what I’ve read elsewhere, she’s lying about on detail of the case.

    Mateen went to a gun shop and looked so crazy, the shop owner wouldn’t sell him the gun and then called the FBI. Lynch’s version: “a purchase wasn’t made” and “in the course of an unrelated investigation, the shop owner told the FBI about Mateen but could not identify him”. Noooo, no unrelated investigation. Shop owner called FBI on his own and nothing happened.

    Why is Lynch on all the Sunday shows today? Smells to me like a Susan Rice Benghazi moment.

  150. While I have seen some very dangerous videos if little kids firing weapons they shouldn’t be, that video is a perfect example of how it should be.

    That was a safe situation with impeccable gun saftey. Trigger discipline taught perfectly.

    Belky, you are complete moron on this one… As usual.

  151. “Should I go find the video of the kid who accidentally killed his instructor because he lost control of the gun? Kid scarred for life. Instructor dead.”

    I know the video. Not even a comparable situation.

  152. How much you wanna wager that video was not made for some innocent “proud of the kid motive”? It was pro-gun propaganda.

    You can belky me all you want. If I saw you allow a young child to handle a loaded gun, supervised or not, I’d report your macho ass to social services and let them sort it out.

  153. “Why is Lynch on all the Sunday shows today? Smells to me like a Susan Rice Benghazi moment.”

    Because the never-truthful Obama administration….you know, the one with such high ratings…wants to dictate the political narrative.

    They want to make this about guns and gays instead of yet another round of obvious Islamic terrorism on American soil.

    But the fact is, as the USAG admitted today, the guy never mentioned gays any time the FBI spoke with him–including, I am led to understand, the night of the shooting. What he did, evidently, mention was ISIS–a lot.

    However, when they release the 911 tapes we won’t hear that, because all mention of ISIS is going to be removed. Probably some tape malfunction. Because those things happen, you know.

    We’ve had dozens of Americans killed in America by Islamic extremists, yet Obama is so fucking awesome because of his bullshit unemployment numbers, his signature health legislation that is completely boning people, and his relatively newfound love for gays.

    What a joke

  154. Fantastic link & program there Rabbit. Good example of government actually doing something smart. Good to see parents being invited and expected to make good choices about where family and culture meet too.

    Rutherford I’m right beside you that way too many gun nuts put their kids in situations and phot opps of dubious nature. The flip side is that certain things can’t have the blind taboo thing going for it. If there are firearms and children in the same house security and education are ones best tools.
    I’ve often found it ironic that the Left welcomes abstinence with firearms but rails against it regards sex.

  155. Why is Lynch on all the Sunday shows today?

    They have to nurse fresh lies. A lie has to be repeated often for numerous days before it becomes accepted as truth in the public mind. If they allow time for the public to do their own thinking, it may become obvious they are all charlatans and we become more difficult to con trol.

    Its a hoax that has to be sustained 24/7/365 or it all falls flat.

  156. I’ve often found it ironic that the Left welcomes abstinence with firearms but rails against it regards sex.

    Point extremely well taken Alfie. Serious hypocritical bullshit on the part of the left.

  157. Rabbit, great link if the video showed the kid safety with a hunting rifle. Even then, I would not be thrilled. Your link was youth hunting. Anyone who hunts with a military grade weapon is, from what I understand, a VERY POOR shot.

    Semi’s are used to hunt other human beings, not deer.

  158. They want to make this about guns and gays instead of yet another round of obvious Islamic terrorism on American soil.

    Obvious? The only obvious is the lying government mouthpieces. That statement sounds more islamophobic than evidential. This was over a year in the planning…

    “In summary, it appears that Howell was on his way to “hook up” with another conspirator (Dan) to set off explosives and shoot people at the gay pride parade in Hollywood California on Sunday.

    Finding his contact missing when he got to LA and having heard that Omar Matteen had been killed by a FBI SWAT teem in Orlando, Howell determined he had been double crossed by the CIA and feared for his own life.

    Howell was taken in to custody by the FBI before Santa Monica police officers could further question him about the motives behind killing gay people on both coasts of the US on Sunday.

    However, in absence of further information and or anyone who will officially go on the record, there is no doubt that the America public is not being told the truth about the Orlando Florida shooting and the arrest of Howell on Sunday.”

    http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/

  159. Huck, I get your lecture. I don’t question Obama’s intent in not naming radical Islam for what it is. But I DO question the efficacy of his position. He wants the cooperation of the Muslim community here and abroad. But is he getting it? Are mosques knowingly ignoring the nuts among them and not raising flags? I suspect so.

    So no matter how noble the POTUS may think his strategy is, it ain’t working.

    It is odd that GWB also preached solidarity with our Muslim brothers after 9/11 and things stayed relatively calm domestically afterwards. Why is the domestic problem resurging under Obama? Honest question.

  160. “Semi’s are used to hunt other human beings, not deer.” – R

    Oh no! Rutherford needs to call Field and Stream immediately! His knowledge of guns so great!

    Nooooo! Not “semi” automatic! No! You mean you pull the trigger to shoot a bullet. Noooooooo!

    So let me get this straight , Rutherford… The taticool rifles that are black (and actually more inaccurate ( contrary to your utter shit talk) are the ones that you will call social services on a family but the other family with the non black rifle…. They are cool. Am I right?

    http://www.fieldandstream.com/node/1005010614

  161. “Why is the domestic problem resurging under Obama? Honest question.”

    Different tactics by the terrorists. They don’t try to sneak people in as much as they try to radicalize those already here.

    It doesn’t have anything to do with solidarity or cooperation. Obama lies about it and scrubs it from the record because he doesn’t want history to remember how much of a failure he was at protecting Americans at home and abroad.

  162. Rabbit, you’ve got me on the Field and Stream article but sadly I don’t even know enough to know if you’re playing some semantic trick on me with it.

    I’m guessing all semi’s are not alike and these mass murderers aren’t using the ones in the F&S article but hell, again I could be wrong.

    One thing I’m not wrong about. They shouldn’t be in the hands of a seven year old girl. The education she should be getting on the weapon is “don’t touch it”. I know that’s not the education Alfie had in mind.

  163. One thing I’m not wrong about. They shouldn’t be in the hands of a seven year old girl. The education she should be getting on the weapon is “don’t touch it”.

    Another thing you ARE wrong about. If there are guns in the home the 7 year olds BETTER know about gun safety. If they wish to learn to use them and correctly, that video Tigre posted shows good teaching technique. The kid is confident because it isn’t her first shoot, and I am sure this has all been meticulously presented to her before.

    If guns are going to be used to defend oneself against intruders, you are better off training all your defenders how they are correctly used. If it comes down to it, she may be needing to know. Ignorance masked as innocence won’t be a bonus in any gunfight.

  164. Rutherford, the overall point of what DR linked to is that semi autos can be used for hunting purposes. Actually, if you strip away a lot of the accessories from the “scary” looking ones, you’d find that they can look a lot like 1 that a hunter might use.

    This point was brought up in a previous debate here.

  165. “Rabbit, you’ve got me on the Field and Stream article but sadly I don’t even know enough to know if you’re playing some semantic trick on me with it.”

    Then maybe you shouldn’t threaten to destroy families via social services, you ignorant douche.

  166. “Should I go find the video of the kid who accidentally killed his instructor because he lost control of the gun? Kid scarred for life. Instructor dead.”

    You think that was the same gun? Go ahead an post the video doofus. Nothing alike but what do you know. Oh yeah, not a fucking thing.

    In the meantime we can all point and laugh at you and the gun handled by the 7 years-old ” It [feels]. . . like a bazooka — and sound[s] like a cannon.” PTSD time for her and you. We all saw the same thing. So traumatic.

    Sorry that caused you so much distress. Really hard to watch. 😆

  167. “Squeeze lightly on the trigger and the resulting explosion of firepower is humbling and deafening (even with ear protection).

    The recoil bruised my shoulder, which can happen if you don’t know what you’re doing. The brass shell casings disoriented me as they flew past my face. The smell of sulfur and destruction made me sick. The explosions — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary form of PTSD. For at least an hour after firing the gun just a few times, I was anxious and irritable.”

    LOL.

  168. Belky, Field and Stream, ignorant douche.

    It all circles back to the original premise of this post. In a country where grown ass adults are stupid enough to think a 7 year old girl should be firing a lethal weapon, we ALL need to be armed.

    The gun control debate was over in the months following the Newtown shooting and the gun nuts won. It’s time to give up the debate. I won’t be purchasing a gun for several reasons but I don’t blame anyone else from doing it. This country has lost its fucking mind.

  169. Conservatives are in for a wild ride if HRC wins and Thomas retires. A lib Supreme Court for a generation. Trannie bathrooms will be the least of their problems. 😀😀😀

  170. I don’t know why I don’t like him, but it’s true. Lebron really is the best. He’s like a seven year-old firing an AR-15 on the court. I’m sure Golden State has PTSD.

    Just circling back. 😆

  171. LeBron is a POS who along with the Cavs were gifted the series by the referees at the behest of the NBA cabal. Worse professional sport in the USA= NBA

  172. “Trannie bathrooms will be the least of their problems. ‘

    Good luck, cuck. May your team win and your false feeling of belonging glow for the remainder of your gold fish days, brah.

  173. LeBron is a POS who along with the Cavs were gifted the series by the referees at the behest of the NBA cabal.

    Dunno much about basketball but damn that sounded a lot like Poolman. Maybe the Cav’s win was a false flag event.

  174. The gun control debate was over in the months following the Newtown shooting and the gun nuts won.

    First of all, what is a gun nut? Unpack what that looks like for the bar.
    Second, they won what? What win did the supposed ‘gun nuts’ win?
    Third, what debate? Who organized a gun control debate? Do you rather mean the debate to rethink constitutional rights in these modern high tech times?
    Fourth, how can you say anything is over when we’re still living it? The anti gun lobby and entourage has been on tour since Newtown. They are always in the newsfeed.

    I think you are just reacting to whatever the teevee is telling you is real and normal. You are angry, but don’t know how to channel it positively. Fearful, but unsure of what you fear most. The symptoms will begin to subside if you can unplug that mainstream media stream flowing into your brain.

  175. The New York Daily News reports that hacked Democratic party had behaved as if Hillary was the nominee a year ago, just as Bernie charged.

    A memo says “they will utilize reporters to drive a message with no fingerprints on the process so people will believe messages are coming from reporters and not the campaign.”

  176. If Thomas resigns during a Clinton administration, the entire country, not just Republicans, will suffer.

    Betsys Page shows us how gun ownership has protected some gays and other sources report that gays and women are buying weapons.

    The ugly picture on the wall which few want to acknowledge is that given progressive advances and cultural changes, arming one’s self has less to do with hunting animals or stopping burglars, than in preparing for the future revolution.

  177. Why is Lynch on all the Sunday shows today? Smells to me like a Susan Rice Benghazi moment.

    The entire last 7 ½ years have been a Susan Rice Benghazi moment – the lies are so regurgitated now, I hardly notice.

    Perhaps it is the last six months that the Obama Administration will (1) heal the planet, (2) usher in world peace, (3) fix the economy, (4) you can keep your doctor, (5) post the transparent website documenting the meetings like Bammy promised less than 5 days into his administration, and win the “good” war.

  178. My opinion of the NBA is that it is the worst professional league in the USA. I firmly believe they are absolutely addicted and dedicated to propping up their image via giving “stars” a pass unmatched in other pro sports.
    Lebron is just the latest in a long line of guys who are allowed to travel,double,foul and if you so much as touch a sweat droplet on him draw a foul.
    NBA officiating through this series and the Playoffs was full of blatant ref based game pimping. Through the regular season the officials proved themselves to be petty and dedicated to proving their importance to the game. Shameful!

    As a fan and a consumer I really loathe shit bag refs no matter what the sport. Whether an ump gives one pitcher a strike zone the size of the ball,when the zebras toss a flag and have an Alzheimers moment and then make shit up or in back to back games the refs can’t consistently call goaltender interference THIS ALL PISSES ME OFF AND WEAKENS THE GAME

  179. @ Rabbit regards GS v Cle. Yeah I admit the GS players lacked their A game throughout but the officiating was one sided and intentional. Don’t get me wrong as big a douche as I find James he’s got game and leadership skills,the Cavs were not the best team on a fair game though.
    I do believe the NBA is so fucked up about what direction they want to go they’re like lost in the wood gnomes. Just standing there looking stupid. Is the future of the NBA the “small” game with ace shooters of is it going to try to hold onto the charge the paint model? The league doesn’t know,its recruiters don’t know and the college programs are developing mostly the shooting model without regard to anything much.
    Add the recent history of ghetto thug arrogance rampant in the NBA and you really have a disoriented,wayward pack of crap.

  180. I am absolutely shocked at how bad a human being and American Lynch is. You want someone that makes Holder look honest and Gonzales look smart….BOOM!

  181. “My opinion of the NBA is that it is the worst professional league in the USA. I firmly believe they are absolutely addicted and dedicated to propping up their image via giving “stars” a pass unmatched in other pro sports.”

    Yeah… Its pretty bad.

    As for what direction the NBA is going in… The fact it doesn’t know slightly weakens your argument about an astro turf league. Lots of different ways to win a championship

  182. “Lebron is just the latest in a long line of guys who are allowed to travel,double,foul and if you so much as touch a sweat droplet on him draw a foul.”

    Alfie, I don’t really disagree with you. I haven’t really given a shit about the NBA since. . . well. . . I last heard Johnny Most’s voice (believe it or not, that was at an IHOP near Alston at about 3:00 a.m. several booths away — very distinctive and kinda funny hearing him call out an order rather than the game).

    However, in the lead up, I sure LeBron getting hammered with almost no calls on the aggressors whatsoever. Yes, bad officiating all the way around but not all one-sided.

    I prefer college b-ball for excitement, passion and “anything can happen” cinderella stories.

    Total aside: I was at a social function and wound up having a few beers with a current NFL ref. I had to ask about Brady. He agreed Brady had to know but didn’t hesitate to every single team messes with the balls, they’ve always known that and it’s been tolerated. He said there’s nothing special about the Pats other than the frenzy to attack them. Maybe not news to anyone else but it was news to me that this had been going on so prolifically and known to the NFL without a peep until Goodell threw down on it.

  183. The level of disconnect and division in this country is astounding. I was perusing some WaPo pieces concerning Trump. My god they really don’t understand a fucking thing. They really must not care about journalism or readers having an opinion other than that dictated by WaPo & Amazon because they are all in on the stupid.

  184. My god they really don’t understand a fucking thing. They really must not care about journalism or readers having an opinion other than that dictated by WaPo & Amazon because they are all in on the stupid.

    Alfie, Trump has changed the rules and made the MSM irrelevant. Folks like Joe Scarborough lecture Trump every morning about how he’s going to lose the election and all I can do is laugh at the arrogance.

    The irony is that conservatives like Scarborough have lost touch with their constituency. I could understand Mika or Rachel Maddow delivering smug lectures because they view things through a liberal lens. But I think Joe, David Brooks, etc don’t have any clue how fed up a lot of white folks are with the current state of affairs.

    I’ve said it before. Trump echoes what is said around a lot of kitchen tables in private. And guess what? The vote in November will be private too. More than a few will vote for Trump and then lie to the exit pollsters. Joe Scarborough doesn’t have a fucking clue.

  185. Tex, on your images:

    1) I’m not sure I get the first one. Is that a laser sight on her ass or a menstrual stain?

    2) Hey, I think Mohammed showed restraint waiting until his bride was 9 to fuck her. 😈😈😈 On a more serious note, you are aware that society’s view of children has changed over the centuries.

  186. “I’m not sure I get the first one. Is that a laser sight on her ass or a menstrual stain?”

    LOL. I think we can exclude menstrual stain as the cause.

  187. Damn, Rutherford. You’re in arrested development. I thought it was damn funny, myself – especially concerning the source. I can just imagine Hillary ripping a loud fart in a meeting of head’s of state and crapping her $12K pant suit.

  188. On a more serious note, you are aware that society’s view of children has changed over the centuries.

    🙄 🙄

  189. So, my opinion on 7 year olds shooting guns hasn’t changed one iota but a little research turned up this video. If Tigre wanted to prove a point, instead of just throwing snark at Kuntzman, he would have posted this longer video. This one actually puts the first one in better context. The lead up to the actual shooting is gradual. Her comfort is established before she ever pulls the trigger. In short, if I were to buy into this lifestyle (which I don’t) this video would sit with me far better than the truncated one, designed for one purpose and one purpose only, to make Kuntzman look like a fool.

  190. I can just imagine Hillary ripping a loud fart in a meeting of head’s of state and crapping her $12K pant suit.

    Crap never even occurred to me, which is ironic considering my history of digestive problems. I still prefer the laser sight theory.

  191. Cool. Rutherford isn’t calling social services.

    In other news, the liar, mealy mouthed, politically correct, joke of an administration have changed their mind on scrubbing the stinkbeard transcript in Orlando after the entire country laughed at them for doing so.

  192. “If Tigre wanted to prove a point, instead of just throwing snark at Kuntzman, he would have posted this longer video.”

    What the fuck is the matter with you. Seriously.

    Look at the gun going off in the hands of a seven year old. Is it any way what your giant pussy hero described? Any at all?

    I told you I had shot one. That you label “macho swagger” or some other stupidity to avoid the point. And then you do the same with the little girl surmising that your pussy hero should’ve had better training rather than better truth telling.

    The only thing more damning than your pussy hero’s histrionics is your attempt to defend him by portraying being a pussy as a virtue. So much intellectualism there. 😆

  193. “While I’m at it, everyone associated with that video should be arrested and charged with child endangerment.

    NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR A SEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL TO HAVE ANY ACCESS TO A SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPON. NONE. PERIOD!”

    Followed by:

    “This one actually puts the first one in better context. The lead up to the actual shooting is gradual. Her comfort is established before she ever pulls the trigger. In short, if I were to buy into this lifestyle (which I don’t) this video would sit with me far better than the truncated one, designed for one purpose and one purpose only, to make Kuntzman look like a fool.”

    Oh. It wasn’t presented with sufficient deference to Rutherford’s sensitive side. 🙄

    You shouldn’t have access to television set.

  194. “A police officer in Florida has revealed that Omar Mateen was targeted by an FBI informant in a failed attempt to push him to commit a terror attack.

    The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation tried to “lure” Orlando shooter Omar Mateen into committing a terror plot in 2013 through the planting of an informant in his life, revelations that raise serious questions about the FBI’s indirect role in shaping the recent Orlando terror attack through its entrapment policies.

    In an exclusive interview published June 15, Sheriff Ken Mascara of Florida’s St. Lucie County told the Vero Beach Press Journal that the FBI dispatched an informant to “lure Omar into some kind of act” but he “did not bite.”

    The plan, Mascara said, came after Mateen had threatened a courthouse deputy by saying he could order al-Qaida operatives to kill his family.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/FBI-Tried-to-Lure-Orlando-Shooter-into-a-Terror-Plot-in-2013-20160619-0022.html

  195. “In other news, the liar, mealy mouthed, politically correct, joke of an administration have changed their mind on scrubbing the stinkbeard transcript in Orlando after the entire country laughed at them for doing so.”

    Which goes to further prove how stupid it was in the first place.

    Either it never had to be done, or the reasons it was done still exist, but were cast aside because of public opinion–which is obviously the most important thing, because it helps maintain that approval rating that people like to cite.

  196. You shouldn’t have access to television set.

    Based on that video, you shouldn’t have access to the Internet. 😀😀

    By the way, you DO have a strong anti-intellectual streak. Whenever hypotheticals or conceptual items are presented you get your hackles up. Very meat and potatoes. Maybe it’s how you escape your language-destroying profession in your off-time? Maybe your academic experience so disgusted you that it had a lasting effect?

    In my first couple of years out of Harvard I didn’t want to hear anything theoretical from anyone. I loved IBM cos it was full of really dumb successful people. But that got old after a while too.

  197. You all owe thanks to Chuck Todd who basically asked Lynch why she was hiding shit.

    Or they both owe thanks to we, the people, in that they even matter. But do they matter? Who steers Lynch? Who promised us the most transparent government evah? After almost 8 years, the only thing transparent are the players.

    These are not the icons you’re looking for.

  198. I don’t know how much weight Poolman’s entrapment story has but I did hear something disconcerting over the weekend.

    Apparently, even if you do call the FBI and report a jihadi nutjob they may not act because it will ruin their sting of a wider conspiracy. So, in other words, they’d rather let a terrorist get THIS close to acting out before making a move on him. Sounds like a very dangerous cat and mouse game to me.

  199. R, do you consider yourself an intellectual? I don’t at all. I find you the single most intellectually lazy person I’ve ever encountered. You pose hypotheticals and opine on irrelevancies to avoid admitting obvious truths. Your return to repeating the gun control debate having learned nothing from the lengthy threads on it from the past and your latest observations of me are more of the same. You never answer questions that expose the shallow thought behind your assertions, much like the one I posed about the video. You misdirect. The worst part is you seem to think that’s persuasive or enlightening. Have you figured out why everyone here questions your life experience? An intellectual would. An intellectual might offer a meaningful critique of Kuntzman or agree that his piece is a surreal joke if they gave a shit about it. An intellectual, however, would certainly not offer something as worthless as “wimps get to have opinions too” as a retort.

    Nevertheless, I will say that if trying to get a straight answer or redirect to the central point you are trying to ignore is meat and potatoes, good. I like meat and potatoes above directionless stream of consciousness, excuses, and dissembling, for reasons that defy common sense, you apparently equate with intellectualism. In fact, I’ll take it as a compliment.

  200. R, do you consider yourself an intellectual? I don’t at all. I find you …

    LOLOLOL 😂😂😂 I totally did not see where that was going. I actually thought “I don’t at all.” was your acknowledgment that you’re not an intellectual. I should have known better. 😀😀😀

    I admire intellectuals. I try to consider different points of view. I am too lazy to rank myself among them but I know an anti-intellectual when I see one. I would sooner watch William Buckley than you would watch an analogous liberal intellectual. You vomit at nuance. Shades of grey give you heartburn. Holding two seemingly opposite ideas in your head at one time causes a brain aneurism.

    I rest my case.

  201. Bizarre country. I was sucked in by a “headline” about Senate votes on gun control. The article basically bashed the NRA,Republicans and our collective souls.
    Curious I went a digging. The Senate action was all about amendments getting tacked onto a Commerce & Labor Dept budget bill.
    What the fuck is that?????!!!!
    To my counting the only (R)’s that voted for any of the amendments that the NRA doesn’t like are two who are in for reelection battles.
    To be fair Cornyn of TX had a good proposal but deep down apparently it had some language Dems didn’t like.
    I am amazed that a) the Senate pissed all over a House funding bill with nonsensical amendments. Some of the other non-gun amendments were equally nuts. Such as $25m for jail repair/replacement on Indian reservations. Anyway b) is an important issue is relegated to unrelated amendment bickering and of course c) SERIOUSLY we can’t agree that someone on a terror list should probably be a red flag on a gun buy background check. SERIOUSLY????

  202. “I am too lazy to rank myself among them but I know an anti-intellectual when I see one.”

    Unfortunately, you’re just not smart enough to rank among them.

  203. Obama and the regime forgets life has changed since most news came from three networks. Lynch would have gotten away with it in 1960.

    Holding too seemingly opposite ideas in your head is easy, especially on this blog.

  204. Unfortunately, you’re just not smart enough to rank among them.

    That’s rather uncharitable of you. Being smart and being an intellectual are two different things. I’m not dumb by any stretch and you know that full well. Nor am I calling you dumb. But neither of us are intellectuals. I’m not because I don’t have the energy to dig deep. Believe me, if I had the time and ambition, every essay would be footnoted up the wazoo with backup to everything I write and I’d be equally precise in the comments section.

    You aren’t an intellectual because you choose not to be. You don’t want to be called a pussy. In fact, I bet you consider Buckley, with whom you’d likely agree 95% of the time, a pussy. You like the frat boy model. Doesn’t make you dumb.

  205. So Alfie, I’ve never gotten this congressional institution of tacking unrelated stuff onto bills. Seems no way to run a railroad.

    As for red flag on terror watch list gun applicants, as I wrote earlier the FBI does not necessarily want to interfere with the gun sale, as it may further their case. Combine that with NRA influence and woooosh, it’s gone.

    By the way I also don’t understand why the POTUS doesn’t have the line item veto.

  206. “That’s rather uncharitable of you. Being smart and being an intellectual are two different things. I’m not dumb by any stretch and you know that full well.”

    Can’t say as I do.

  207. “Rice almost got away with it in 2012.”

    No she didn’t. We knew she was lying real time.

    You defended the liars.

  208. Legislators add un related stuff to bills to hide what they are doing or as a negotiating tactic. It can be easier to hide a potentially controversial amendment than to send it to a vote alone. Most voters are too stupid or disengaged to realize what is happening.

  209. As we suspected but now know, much of the press coordinates its stories with the Democrats.

    This morning, a local television station led with the same derision of Congress for failing to pass an anti- gun amendment that came from the networks. Their words were the same as the parent network’s.

    Are they so lazy they can’t at least change some phrases?

  210. We knew she was lying real time.

    I call bullshit. You didn’t watch MTP, Face the Nation, etal and say “Susan Rice is lying”. I’ll grant that you wised up faster than I did and I still wouldn’t necessarily say she was lying – she said what she was fed to say.

    Be that as it may, Rabbit, you in particular don’t even watch the Sunday morning shows so YOU didn’t catch shit realtime.

  211. “Rice is a fucking fool. What moron runs on every single Sunday talk show blabbering about how decimated Al Queda is 48 hours after Al Queda savaged our embassador??????

    Now take in mind…..she boasts while all of West Africa cringes because half of Mali has been taken over outright by Islamic terrorists. Fucking cultural treasures in Timbuktu are being blown to smithereens as this chicken head is tells us Al Queda is decimated.

    Uh…..and our embassador, Mrs. Rice?

    No…..it was a temper tantrum by protesters over a movie on YouTube with a few thousand hits…

    Ha ha!

    She’s a pawn, alright. She was used by an insecure president unsure how he would fare during the election.

    Benghazi was a fuck up. Obama decided he’d be better off smoke screening said fuck up until after the election and taking the hit then.

    It worked.”

    -dead rabbit, November 24, 2012 at 6:02 pm

  212. “That’s rather uncharitable of you. Being smart and being an intellectual are two different things. I’m not dumb by any stretch and you know that full well. Nor am I calling you dumb. But neither of us are intellectuals. I’m not because I don’t have the energy to dig deep. Believe me, if I had the time and ambition, every essay would be footnoted up the wazoo with backup to everything I write and I’d be equally precise in the comments section.” -RL

    “Can’t say as I do.” -ET

    This is better than shark week.

  213. Muffy, do you know what “realtime” means? Obviously not. Susan Rice appeared on the Sunday shows on September 16. Your time stamp on Rabbit’s great wisdom was from November 24. That’s not even close to “realtime”. By then the entire conservative movement was screaming about Rice. If that was Rabbit’s first comment (I doubt it was) then he was damn late to the conversation.

    Next time you wanna come in here and fuck with me, do you homework.

  214. “It doesn’t have anything to do with solidarity or cooperation. Obama lies about it and scrubs it from the record because he doesn’t want history to remember how much of a failure he was at protecting Americans at home and abroad.”

    Got that Rutherford?

    The lies Obama and his administration tell about Islamic terrorism is not a tactic for dealing with the terrorists.

    “There’s no magic to the phrase ‘radical Islam’… It’s a political talking point. It’s not a strategy,” -Obama

    This velvet worm pretends that not saying ‘radical Islam’ is a strategy. But what it is – all it is – is a lie. And what him saying it is – all it is – is the truth.

    Telling the truth really pisses him off.

  215. “Muffy, do you know what “realtime” means? Obviously not. Susan Rice appeared on the Sunday shows on September 16. Your time stamp on Rabbit’s great wisdom was from November 24. That’s not even close to “realtime”. By then the entire conservative movement was screaming about Rice. If that was Rabbit’s first comment (I doubt it was) then he was damn late to the conversation.

    Next time you wanna come in here and fuck with me, do you homework.”

    Who didn’t know Rutherford was going to go with the “not real time” defense?

  216. “We knew she was lying real time.

    You defended the liars.”

    True then, true today.

    This blog is filled with Wrongway calling bullshit on truth.

  217. This conversation makes me Gd dm angry.

    I watched that witch in real time and I knew as soon as she opened her mouth that she was lying.

    I think I wrote at the time that it touched me emotionally because they had betrayed people who’s well being was their responsibility. An implicate contract meant nothing to Rice or the administration who put her up to lying.

  218. Who didn’t know Rutherford was going to go with the “not real time” defense?

    You’re kidding right? Your “research” was intended to debunk what I said to Rabbit. It didn’t.

  219. James, I’m sorry you’re angry. You may very well have smelled a rat as you watched Rice. I think the outrage of most here, not including me, evolved over time. Maybe within the week following. But I doubt most here watched Rice and said as they watched “she’s lying”. I actually doubt many here actually watched Rice that morning at all. They read the Breitbart/Drudge spin afterwards and jumped on board.

    I did watch her that morning. No, I didn’t think she was lying. I didn’t even think she was repeating bs talking points she had been fed. I don’t think I was wrong about the lying but I was most certainly wrong about the BS.

    Lynch, on the other hand knew exactly what she was doing on her Sunday talk show run. And it was unnecessarily stupid.

  220. Go argue with your teevee over “bigly” vs “big league.” You stand a chance there.

    “You’re kidding right? Your “research” was intended to debunk what I said to Rabbit. It didn’t.”

    It also didn’t speak to the rest of us who knew the bitch was lying. Real fucking time.

    “We knew she was lying real time.” -theguywhoisright

    “I call bullshit.” -theguywhoiswrong

    “I watched that witch in real time and I knew as soon as she opened her mouth that she was lying.” -James

    Correct.

    “My fault is not underestimating them. It’s overestimating their talents and assuming they can be truthful. They can’t – not and support this lout for President, whose more bad joke than statesman. Look at them lying today about the deaths in Libya. They could care less about getting to the truth or national security – just how it affects Obama’s miserable ranking in the polls.” -Tex Taylor , September 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “UN ambassador Susan Rice said on Fox News that the protests were spontaneous reactions to the video.

    The Libyan president said the demonstrations were planned in advance.” -James, September 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    “Remember, the media is trying to tell us this Libya “demonstration” was spontaneous.” -Tex Taylor , September 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Also an interesting tidbit from Alfie back then, which kind of goes against Rutherford’s valueless insight that Rice wasn’t really lying, just doing what she was told –

    “I didn’t see it perhaps I’ll track down the transcript. Rutherford you know how I feel about Susan Rice and why. Libya was kind of a golden moment for her. It going south is like killing her baby,her ideology is locked up in what Libya was/is.” -Alfie , September 16, 2012 at 5:30 pm

  221. Funny reading you call another woman a bitch, Muffy. So the only women who get your respect are those with whom you agree politically?

    In addition to my general statement, I called out Rabbit in particular. On that, I was right. You were wrong. Let it go.

    Regarding Alfie’s assessment: whether or not Rice supported the Libya strategy, most folks wondered why SHE of all people did the full Ginsburg. The consensus at the time was that she was Hillary’s pawn. HRC should have been on those shows. Instead, Rice was fed what to say. I’ve never viewed Rice personally at fault in that presentation. She was duped into spreading gov lies … same way Colin Powell was duped by Cheney into lying to the UN.

  222. How’d Rutherford treat the Obama/Romney Rose Garden debate lie? I seem to recall he defended it and though Crowley masterful. If I’m wrong. . . correction I have no reason at all to think that I am. Rutherford would excuse Obama if he was caught molesting little kids.

  223. “In addition to my general statement, I called out Rabbit in particular. On that, I was right. You were wrong. Let it go.”

    You sure you’re not an intellectual? You sound like one. 😆

    “We knew she was lying real time.”

    This is the statement on which you called bullshit, to which I am responding. The rest is wiggling, boyfriend.

    The statement is true. I believe rabbit, it is also true for me, and it is true for others per the archives. I also didn’t repost anything from Tigre, but if he were to write that he too knew the Rice bitch was lying real time – I’d believe him. Huck and Alfie too. The truth doesn’t change. It doesn’t come and bite you in the ass later.

    It was not bullshit. You are wrong. What is new?

    I also didn’t post anything supporting rabbit’s “You defended the liars.” But I think that’s probably accurate too.

    “Funny reading you call another woman a bitch, Muffy. So the only women who get your respect are those with whom you agree politically?”

    Women with whom I disagree politically are a far cry from that lying Susan Rice bitch. I’d like to put her lumpy ass into a chum bag and throw her overboard within a mile of Seal Island, South Africa and watch Polaris Attack on Obama Admin Lie Machine go viral.

    “Oh and Muffy, you’re a master at bold obnoxiousness. I fixed your post to improve the aesthetics of the comments section.”

    Yo, thanks for fixing the tags.

    Who didn’t know you were going to go with the “bold obnoxiousness” quip?

  224. I’m not mad at you, Rutherford. You, at least recognized you were a dupe. Millions of the idiotcracy will vote for that vile woman, because they are too blind to have a clue.
    Yes, the conversation made me angry. I knew the territory from my own experience and I also did some research.

    Liar Rice was just an errand girl. The real perps lied to the world through the UN and bought a commercial on Pakistani tv to repeat the lie. Then, our possible next president lied to the mourners of victims she helped.

  225. I haven’t even read the comments yet. But let me guess. The liberals are saying that, in fact, the Muslim world was owed an apology by the State Department because of an obscure movie some dude made that NOBODY has heard of? Of course, this apology was given because Egyptian stink beards acted like screaming toddlers, tearing our flag to shreds, on the eve of the American people cutting the Egyptians a check for 1 BILLION DOLLARS! And what did the apology get us? A new crowd dragging our embassader’s corpse the next day?

    Is there anything else that the State Department should apologize for that Muslim’s find offensive? The legendary debauchery of the Beastie Boy tour of 1987? The heresy of the Elijah Mohamed and the Nation of Islam? The road side pulled pork barbecue in South Carolina with that delicious mustered sauce? Elric?

    Give me a break.
    dead rabbit , September 12, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Newt, the angry violent mob, pissed over the movie, seemed to be used as cover for a professional hit by radical Muslims. Maybe it was pro Qudaffy. But religion or free speech had nothing to do with it? What are you on bath salts? I bet this is just the beginning. The movie will continue to be used by radical Islam to whip their mindless stink beard zombies into a violent frenzy. Friday is not going to be fun.
    dead rabbit , September 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    I just saw the White House Press Sec on TV and I am soooooo relieved. Turns out these attacks on the 21 U.S. embassies and the smoldering Middle East has nothing to do with America. I was so nervous because I saw an American embassador’s dead body and thousands throughout the entire middle east burning flags and chanting death to America while attacking sovereign soil. The Obama administration has assured us they aren’t mad at America and, in particular, not mad at Obama. How could they be? He was so warm and apologetic. Hell, I remember Rutherford telling us that the world is a different place because Bush isn’t around making people hate us. I should find that blog. So anyways. Don’t worry guys. It’s just that movie. Islam gets a bad rap. The kids still think Obama is the cool teacher.

    Rutherford, why does Obama lie after every Al Queda attack? They quickly and vehemently spew bull shit after EVERY attack. And they seem to get a way with it. It’s pretty unnerving to see the administration so concerned with the political spin first and foremost when we get attacked by the stink beards. Transparency my ass.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/permanent-spin_652887.html
    dead rabbit , September 22, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Rabbit I AM bothered by the difference in opinion between the US account of the Libyan assassination of our ambassador and the Libyan version. But as I said on my radio show last week, both parties have reason to lie. Libya might think it is more in their interest to give the impression they can control their population but they can’t control Al Qaeda. The US of course thinks it is in their best interest to avoid the conclusion our intelligence failed.

    I’ve not been keeping up with the FBI findings, I do know Susan Rice told the Washington story you don’t believe … but she did say it was their preliminary assessment.
    Rutherford , September 23, 2012 at 1:30 am

  226. Women with whom I disagree politically are a far cry from that lying Susan Rice bitch. I’d like to put her lumpy ass into a chum bag and throw her overboard within a mile of Seal Island, South Africa and watch Polaris Attack on Obama Admin Lie Machine go viral.

    As Tex mellows with old age, Muffy gets nastier. Muffy, you need a grandchild STAT.

  227. Rutherford I have three posts at my place of March 2011 vintage that covered Rice & Libya.
    My September ’12 statements here alluded to what I said in my own posts over a year earlier.
    Susan Rice ,whether one likes her or not is above all else true to her core beliefs. Given that she knew or at least had the best educated guess as to the incidents surrounding Benghazi its safe to say she lied to protect her core beliefs and her boss. I doubt she was “fed” anything though since she is actually one of the folks with the gray matter that would’ve dreamed up the gruel.

  228. Well fuck me and call me Charlie, Rabbit you weren’t just realtime with Rice, you were prescient.

    Oh well, I still bet you didn’t watch the morning shows that weekend but you’ve proven that’s beside the point.

    You also proved Muffy’s “research” really sucked today. Up your game, girlfriend!

  229. Hillary, “Don’t Take your lies to town” “If I could move…”

    Alfie has a good blog. I wish I had taken more time to read it.

    I am sure Susan Rice helped create the story, but in the end, she was the errand girl who took some pressure from her masters.

  230. I agree James. No way no how she wanted to be on the frontline of this. And as I think we all agreed at the time, why her when she wasn’t in the State Department? Surely, HRC had a deputy better suited? But Susan may have been auditioning for SoS by that time. That would explain it. Audition ended up sinking her chances, not clinching it.

  231. Tigre, as I recall the whole Romney/Obama Rose Garden debate kerfuffle was over semantics. Obama referred to “acts of terrorism” without making a direct correlation and Crowley used that to put her finger on the scale during the debate. Crowley was out of line.

    I’d say Megyn Kelly’s line of attack against Trump was much worse.

  232. 😆 Rutherford you dumbass. You can’t deflect the fact that you are wrong again by trying to put me down. Again and again and again, your wrongness knows no bounds.

    Into the chum bag, Stinker. I mean Thinker.

  233. Rutherford Rice is to Obama as Rice was to Bush. People often mistaken POTUS go to’s.
    I doubt Obama said “Let’s blame this movie”. I totally buy Rice counseled Obama and Hillary to a potential play and then folks like Rhodes got involved. Obama and to a degree HRC accepted and authorized the lie but they didn’t dream it.

  234. “So Alfie, I’ve never gotten this congressional institution of tacking unrelated stuff onto bills. Seems no way to run a railroad.”

    There are multiple reasons it can go on.

    –Attach this thing that I want to this thing that you want and I will vote for the thing that you want.

    –Let’s attach this thing that we want to the thing that they want and see if we can get what we want.

    –Let’s attach this thing that we want to that thing everyone wants, then when they vote against it because of this attached thing we can claim they don’t love kids/old people/vets/puppies.

  235. Obama referred to “acts of terrorism” without making a direct correlation and Crowley used that to put her finger on the scale during the debate. Crowley was out of line.

    And Obama ran with it.

    “ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.
    OBAMA: That’s what I said.
    ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you’re saying?
    OBAMA: Please proceed governor.
    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.
    OBAMA: Get the transcript.
    CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…
    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?”

    “Please proceed governor.”

    “Get the transcript.”

    “Can you say that a little louder, Candy?”

    Obama was out of line. He was clearly being deceptive.

  236. Weird thing is that Cuntsman’s natural leftist instinct to be a pusy actually made a worse argument for the gun grab. The fact that it DOESN’T have the kick should concern the anti gun crowd.

    Well..the latest round of anti gun blah blah spooked me and I bought a Serbian AK-47 pistol. Wife will probably use it on me when she finds out. 🙂

  237. And Obama ran with it.

    He should have. Romney was hamfisted and unprepared. Romney should have said what I said “with due respect Mr. President, you mentioned acts of terror but never made a precise attribution to Benghazi”.

    Romney gave Obama all the wiggle room he needed and Crowly gave Obama the assist. Truth be told, debating was not a strength for Obama or Romney.

  238. Yeah… R..Romney did blow it? But where was the MSM afterwards? Sucking O’s meat whistle on the issue…

  239. Well..the latest round of anti gun blah blah spooked me and I bought a Serbian AK-47 pistol.

    You’re joking, right? Please don’t tell me you’re one of these tools who makes a run on the gun shop, afraid of losing your 2nd amendment rights? I’m pretty sure your constitutional rights can’t be revoked overnight.

  240. “He should have. Romney was hamfisted and unprepared. Romney should have said what I said “with due respect Mr. President, you mentioned acts of terror but never made a precise attribution to Benghazi”.”

    Or Obama shouldn’t have deceived ’cause, you know, he’s the president and it was on his watch and stuff.

  241. “You’re joking, right? Please don’t tell me you’re one of these tools who makes a run on the gun shop, afraid of losing your 2nd amendment rights? I’m pretty sure your constitutional rights can’t be revoked overnight.”

    It’s the 30 round mag I get weird about. And the price.

  242. Rabbit, I can’t believe you’ve never seen “Leave Brittany Alone”. It’s legendary on the net.

    Tigre, you DO know the backstory that he was just acting, don’t you?

  243. “Romney was hamfisted and unprepared.”

    Yes, he was unprepared for the fucking debate moderator to interject and take the side of one of the debaters in the middle of the debate.

  244. Or Obama shouldn’t have deceived ’cause, you know, he’s the president and it was on his watch and stuff.

    Deceived in general or during the debate? He did exactly what he was supposed to do in the debate. As an attorney, you should have admired the performance. His opponent was unprepared.

    I’ll give you a theory why old Mitt was unprepared. Cos he was blindly repeating a right wing Fox News talking point. I doubt he even reviewed the Rose Garden speech before the debate. If he had, he would never have gone there during the debate because technically, Obama DID mention terrorism. He got hung up on the technicality and then Crowley stabbed him in the back. I think the phrase in sports is an unforced error.

  245. Yes, he was unprepared for the fucking debate moderator to interject and take the side of one of the debaters in the middle of the debate.

    Hey no defense of Crowley here. I still say what Megyn Kelly did was far worse.

  246. “Tigre, you DO know the backstory that he was just acting, don’t you?”

    Sorry. Too nuanced for me. I’m sticking with R- intellectualism.

    Nice to see your standards for Obama never change. You’re a rock.

  247. Former ISIS sex slave today in Congressional hearing: “”The USA must act. We must terminate Daesh (ISIS) and all such terror. Daesh will not give up their weapons unless we force them to give up their weapons. The Yazidi people cannot wait.”

    Current United States Attorney General today in press conference: “Our most effective response to terror and hatred is compassion, unity, and love.”

    Thank god for that 50% approval rating

  248. I agree with Rutherford, Obama did what he had to do in the debate, as he should have if he was directing a trial, playing a championship basket ball game or fighting for the Sprint Cup.

    Romney should have been ready for the technicality. It was too obvious.

    Obama lied before, during and after the debate. Romney’s job was to neutralize Obama’s lies, and he failed.

    That Attorney General’s statement is sickening. Had Romney done his job, she would have been somewhere else, and we would not have heard her speak.

  249. “Our most effective response to terror and hatred is compassion, unity, and love.”

    I’m not tickled with what I’ve seen of Lynch lately but why do I get the sense that quote is devoid of context? It’s not Lynch’s job to help the Yazidi. Her job is domestic and very clearly the administration has chosen a tiptoe around the problem domestically.

  250. The 2 quotes show contrast, Rutherford. C’mon man….

    Question for ET…how come a lawyer has to ask “permission to treat the witness as hostile?” Why can’t he just do it without permission?

  251. I think Huck wants to treat me as hostile. 😀😀

    As for the contrast you were aiming for, I don’t completely get it. Which American Muslims should we treat as enemy combatants? Obama’s entire premise is that LOVE will make peaceful American Muslims protect us from the nasty ones.

    While that’s not the most convincing law enforcement approach, I’m not hearing too many good alternatives. Unless I sign up for the Trump plan.

  252. You’re not getting it at all, evidently.

    A person who has inside knowledge of ISIS evils is telling us we need to kick their asses.

    Another person is telling us we need to respond with love and compassion.

    Yes I know she isn’t talking about loving ISIS. Again..its meant to show a contrast…a contrast in perspectives. The Yazidi isn’t talking about a loving response to terror.

  253. The Yazidi isn’t talking about a loving response to terror.

    Ok now I see what you’re getting at. The contrast is between how they vs we plan to solve our respective domestic issues.

    Of course the problem is that the Yazidi probably doubt there are enough good Muslims in the area to persuade “with love”. On the other hand we believe in America there are.

  254. Still not getting it….

    The common denominator being contrasted isn’t “respective domestic issues” the common denominator is ISIS terrorism and the proposed responses to it.

    Are you tired tonight or what? Seriously….

  255. “Holy shit. Illegal for deer but a-ok for 49 queers. God bless ‘Murica!!!”

    Your not smart. Not terribly dumb. I’d say 98 IQ.

    The magazine is illegal for deer…

  256. “Question for ET…how come a lawyer has to ask “permission to treat the witness as hostile?” Why can’t he just do it without permission?”

    In short, so you can cross examine them (ask leading questions).

    Doctrinally, when you call a witness on direct you are vouching for them. You may not ask leading questions and presumably their testimony is going to support your case.

    However, if the witness surprises you by changing their anticipated testimony (or prior actual testimony) you may cross examine them to mitigate the damage. But the burden is on you to show that the testimony is a departure and they are trying to trash your case, so you must ask permission.

    As you can imagine, the first questions would usually be along the lines of “you’re telling a different story today from the one you told in the past, isn’t that right?”

    You are allowed to call an adverse witness on cross in your case-in-chief, even before they’ve been called on direct by the other side. However, you may not straw-man the other side by calling a witness they have not/will not call and then attack them by cross examination.

    Capiche?

  257. Responding with love is appropriate if you are the Rev Mr. Black. The Kingston Trio song could apply to our conduct of foreign policy as does “carry a big stick” and use it.

    Some of these weapons have another potential use…to kill government authorities if people feel driven to revolt. No one talks about it, but many think about it.

  258. “The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.”

    ~Thomas Sowell

  259. So far it hasn’t done any good to argue who is at fault. All sides have worked in concert to get us here. Pitting us against each other has been done intentionally to keep us from seeing the real demon. The media uses witchcraft and deception to con troll us. We invite them into our private areas to entertain and lead us astray.

    I know enough about a lot of things, but have no personal expertise in the medical field at all. I do know a lot of people in the medical profession, however. I know enough to know bullshit when it is presented. This article has a video of a real doctor’s presentation of actual gun statistic and injuries. Pretty graphic. The rest of the article does well at describing the media’s snow jobbing the public.

    It’s no secret that when a person trains in a certain field they become very knowledgeable about how things operate in that field, don’t they? Today we’re led to believe that unless you pursue a degree in a particular field it is okay to be ignorant of knowledge in that field. It’s like we’ve outsourced the process of critical thinking to those who have degrees in specific fields. Thus not being trained in that field becomes the excuse many people use today to blindly accept whatever they are told (in this case by mainstream media) about issues pertaining to that field of study. What I’m describing here is someone who doesn’t want to think on their own. Stepping back and taking a bird’s-eye view of the situation, we’re describing someone who not only doesn’t want to think on their own but someone who considers critical thinking a bothersome (mental) exercise. This is actually no different than the person who doesn’t ever want to go to the gym because they are lazy. This willful ignorance is then similar to a mental laziness.

    http://www.newparadigm.ws/articles/medical-impossibilities-wild-ethics-and-protocol-violations-now-the-norm-in-today-s-false-flag-even/

  260. Still not getting it….The common denominator being contrasted isn’t “respective domestic issues” the common denominator is ISIS terrorism and the proposed responses to it.

    Eh no — you’re not getting that I am getting it. Read the sentence after the one you quoted which makes it clear that the respective domestic issues I was referring to was ISIL terrorism.

    Of course the problem is that the Yazidi probably doubt there are enough good Muslims in the area to persuade “with love”. On the other hand we believe in America there are.

  261. “Holy shit. Illegal for deer but a-ok for 49 queers. God bless ‘Murica!!!”

    Your not smart. Not terribly dumb. I’d say 98 IQ.

    The magazine is illegal for deer…

    The point is that the NRA doesn’t make a peep about limiting your firing capability if a fucking deer is involved but heaven forbid I tell you that you can’t carry a 30 round magazine AT ALL because there is no goddam need for you to do it, then the NRA loses its shit.

  262. The echo lies video gives a glimpse into the horror that it must be to be inside Poolman’s mind. I swear, with the bizarre intercuts of the blind kid, the video game, the text slides … all very aesthetically disturbing. If I consumed that kind of stuff all day, I’d go stark raving mad.

    And the moral of the story — if echolocation is a lie, then so must be the Newtown shooting and the Orlando shooting. Everyone is lying to us!!!!

  263. Some of these weapons have another potential use…to kill government authorities if people feel driven to revolt. No one talks about it, but many think about it.

    James, that’s the REAL reason the hardcore radicals don’t want any gun law changes. The armed militias of the 2nd amendment have zero use today regarding an attack from a foreign threat — we have a US Army, Navy and Air Force for that. So the only remaining threat that the 2nd amendment provides protection against is the threat within. In very vernacular terms, the 2nd amendment is the US citizen’s money back guarantee. “We’re so sure you’ll like our product (US Fed gov) that we’ll let you arm yourselves and kill us if you ever think we’ve overstepped our bounds.”

    Heck, what other country provides that guarantee?

  264. Koreans in the LA Riot. In the case if Dad…. He lived above the oarty store that was under attack in ’67. No 2nd Amendment. No Rabbit.

  265. Those echo location stories are right up your alley, Rutherford. Broadcast as reality, just like the bulk of the media’s journalistic programming. I’m sure you’ll agree they HAVE to be truth, since that is how they are presented. No one could get away with a fraud like that, right?

  266. “A major failure of police protection.”

    Yeah… And hurricanes are windy.

    Doesn’t that define a riot?

    You will be happy to know I just canceled my AK 47 order. I didn’t know the ATF recently made putting a stock on those things illeagal (the one I’m buying is classified as a pistol with no stock).

    And I felt guilty about spending the money.

  267. No loss Rabbit.
    Rutherford you’re killing me! It is somewhere between rational and irrational that a citizens reality resides. Although you’d hope one would never have to defend oneself from government,my belief is you’re more likely to face more local than federal issues,the fact remains that a bureacracy that forfeits a serfs legal recourse can only be checked by a citizenry willing to stand. I personally believe we should always use the ballot first but ultimately it is every Americans privilege to go down shooting.

  268. Rutherford, has anyone you read or watch bothered to mention that the senate voted yesterday on a “no fly, no buy” bill that included language for due process…where the feds would have to go to court and show a judge within 3 days of the attempted purchase that the person was dangerous…

    …and Democrats refused to vote for it because it was actually gave due process before denying a constitutional right.

    And now today House Dems are making a big show of a sit-in because they want a vote on a “no fly, no buy” bill that even the ACLU says is unconstitutional–because it denies due process.

    Rutherford, you need to understand that Democrats don’t want gun legislation any more than the GOP or the NRA wants it. What they want is a voting base energized by a 3rd rail issue. They don’t give a damn about saving lives, they want voter turnout. And they don’t have a problem with more people getting shot up if it provides them with a way to feign outrage and whip up the base.

  269. Huck maybe my Google is broken but I can’t find anything about the Susan Collins no fly-no buy bill ever coming to a vote yet. It was not among the ones voted down Monday, I don’t think.

    You know what pisses me off about the House sit-in? Where were they when 20 helpless 6 and 7 year olds were slaughtered?

    I’ve decided it’s cos kids don’t have a lobby and gays do. 😡

  270. That’s because it’s not the Susan Collins bill, it was a bill by John Cornyn, that was even (as I understand) supported by the NRA. (and yeah it was Monday, my mistake)

    Go ahead and Google that one. You won’t find much in the way of MSM coverage. After all, why point out the Left had an opportunity to “do something!!!” to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people when they can make a big show about being “sick and tied of being sick and tired” of others supposedly doing nothing? That “we shall overcome” ain’t gonna sing itself, now is it?

  271. “Under Cornyn’s bill, the attorney general would be given 72 hours to prove there was a probable cause for denying a suspected terrorist the ability to purchase a gun. The measure garnered support from the National Rifle Association but failed on a 53-47 vote. It needed 60 votes to pass.

    “We all agree that terrorists should not be able to purchase a weapon; that is not up for debate,” Cornyn said before the vote. “The question before us is whether we’re going to do so in a way that’s constitutional.”

    Democrats don’t want to give people due process. They want the DoJ to be able to put people on lists and then use that to deny rights.

    I wonder how many of those sitting on the floor today would support that idea if Trump was the one controlling the list.

  272. What I want to know from Poolman is how in the hell he and his wife grow tomatoes when it’s a 115 in Phoenix? Oklahoma is really considered too hot to grow tomatoes well (according to my farmer neighbor from Indiana) and one hundred degrees will damn near ruin the entire crop.

  273. I was thinking today how desensitized this country has become to utter depravity…this shootup at the Pulse Corral being the latest demonstration that America is more Caligula than I ever imagined.

    Omar, the closeted queer, spurned in a three way by two Puerto Ricans while in some sham marriage, one not telling him he’s HIV positive, utilizing the most appropriately named application ever created for rainbow pickups called “GrindR,” with Omar being a sometimes disciple of ISIS, the same group slinging queers off of roof tops.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    And the solution to the problem is to celebrate Omar’s love for slipping his wick into Jose’s rectum 60 seconds after meeting at the club or bathhouse, or something like that.

    And the reaction? Good grief. Now it’s an act of bravery to go out to Facebook and transpose the rainbow flag onto your personal pictures – the apogee of absolutely meaningless act and moral narcissism. If I see one more teddy bear laid on the sidewalk and candle vigil, I’ll retch.

    Gang, if we resurrected Abraham Lincoln, this country isn’t coming back in my lifetime. No wonder a bunch of medieval head loppers feel empowered from watching CNN.

  274. The only problem she has is keeping the little finches from pecking holes in them. Yesterday she went around the tomatoes with bird netting to prevent just that. They are already inside a rabbit wire enclosure. The finches were pissed and told her about it. It’s okay if they pick aphids off the okra or worms off the plants. We use shade cloth to cover the garden.

    The tomatoes are coming in really good. She probably has 10 or 12 varieties. They don’t set fruit when it is too hot, but they hold fruit. Lots of soil amendments too. These are heat tolerant varieties too.

    Here is an excellent 4 point beat down of evolution.

  275. Ok Huck … the defeat of the Cornyn bill was well covered. It was not no fly no buy, which is why you confused me. The terrorist watch list isn’t the same as the no fly list. Collins bill is no fly which is narrower in scope and therefore more palatable.

    All that said, I fully get the desire for due process to be a piece of this. You don’t go through a trial to be placed on the terror watch list or the no fly list. Hence that can’t be the sole basis upon which to deny 2nd amendment rights.

    I get it.

    P.S. John Lewis is a horse’s ass.

  276. Tex, I read that the gay dude who claims the tryst with the stink beard said he met with said stink beard 20 times, presumably for sex…. But didn’t know his name!

  277. Tex, did you give any thought to attending the American Ninja Warrior qualifier in OK City? That is one helluva show. An amputee made it way further through the course than anyone thought possible.

  278. Tex, I read that the gay dude who claims the tryst with the stink beard …

    The investigation says there is NO social media substantiation that Mateen was gay. No dating apps on his phone, no gay stuff on FB. BUT lots of wannabe terrorist talk.

    The minute folks said they saw him at the club, I smelled a rat. What’s the best way to smear the Muslim bastard post-mortem? Claim that he was gay. He can’t deny it, can he? It’s along the lines of “santorum”. When Rick pissed off the gay community, they smeared his name with a made up vulgar definition.

    I suspect when you cross gays, they can get real vicious. I don’t believe Mateen was gay at all.

  279. If the 20 Newtown kids had been gay, maybe Dems would have raised this stink back then. 😡

    I swear Nancy Pelosi was singing “We Shall Overcome” outside Congress just now. I shit you not.

  280. I don’t believe Mateen was gay at all.

    I’m sure Rutherford has impeccable sources for his information. 🙄 But…

    The man was at least bisexual. His ex-wife said he was homosexual. He was also recognized from being in that club several times before. Several of the actors witnesses said that in their teevee interviews too. Plus he had gay men claim he tried to hit on them on grinder. And…

    He was an actor. Not a good one, but one nonetheless. I think they are scrubbing his clips like they did his imdb file. I posted one a couple days ago that is gone. youtube is google, a part of the patrix…

  281. That’s what I read too, Poolman. Rutherford may know something I don’t, but that is not what I’ve been reading from several sources.

  282. Tex….. There seems to be a push from the left to make this about gayness and the societal guilt that comes with it that causes people to snap. In other words, it’s your fault, according to them. Plus… Anything else is preferable to Islam as a motive.

    He’s probably secretly gay…but who knows.

  283. We lost an iconic pub in my town. 150 years old. The center of this community. Fire. Thankfully nobody got killed. But it’s a huge bummer.

  284. I’ve worked at being gay-tolerant over the years. My natural inclination was to be judgmental about it. That said, I was real pissed off that Mateen chose a gay bar because as Rabbit said, the entire focus has shifted from terrorism to gay rights. I feel like gays have hijacked the damn thing … but if he was indeed targeting gays, they have a right to scream and shout about it.

  285. Rabbit, sorry for the loss. That is a bummer.

    I think the activist gay community, being on record as one of the more dishonest of rank propagandists in affiliations, was between a rock and a hard place, and took a calculated risk with their politics that it was to their advantage to downplay the Muslim angle in a political season.

    These gay activists are going to pull the Hillary lever no matter what, and with the greater Muslim community a devout ‘D’ bloc vote, they can’t risk offending millions of voters to somebody they are ironically politically allied at the hip.

    Ask yourself if Omar had been a crazed Christian instead of a Muslim, would the gay community be downplaying the “jihadist” aspect of the religion? Of course not as that would feed into their narrative of their greater intent – destroy the Church.

    These gay militants still see the Christian Church, Catholic and Protestant, a far greater enemy to the real cause than the lone wolf head lopper because of proximity. ISIS is a threat, but their hatred of anything Christian overrides the lesser possibility of the threat of Islam.

  286. R, I don’t smell a rat. From what I’ve heard thw insurance will never pay what’s its worth… Unless it was some form of twisted arson.

  287. Another not guilty verdict in Baltimore. The driver.

    Big shock. From what I saw they never had a case. Like all of the liberal media fueled witch hunts.

  288. From what I’ve heard thw insurance will never pay what’s its worth.

    Damn shame. Be nice if the community was in a position to help the owner re-build.

  289. From what I saw they never had a case.

    Seems like a hard to prove case, in any event. Death by being jostled around in the back of a van seems damn hard to prove,

  290. The administration is the one pushing the gay. Remember that. It has been on the agenda since bobo was placed in position. There is strong evidence he is also gay, or bisexual. Another part of the government is pushing fear and backing it with terrorism real and imagined. In whack-a-mole fashion, it mixes boogeymen from radical muslim to crazed right wing fringers.

    Corporate profits and people con trol depend on an active and engaged enemy.

    Divide and conquer 101.

  291. Marilyn “Ebonics” Mosby, Baltimore Attorney – guilty of gross incompetence and abject stupidity on all counts!

    ** GUFFAW **

    Another black incompetent sniffs the public shitter of reality.

    This is your moment. You’re at the forefront of this cause and as young people, our time is now.”

    Just like a young Barack Obama stooge. Line her up for Democrat nominee for President.

  292. “Death by being jostled around in the back of a van seems damn hard to prove,”

    Maybe they’ll just put him on a watch list now

  293. Apprently there was video fro a car trailing the van that completely undercut the “rough ride” accusation.

    Murder charges. Other exculpatory evidence eitheld by prosecutors. You think the DOJ is gonna look at wrongful prosecutions? No time for that. Too busy looking at prosecuting people that serve a political agenda, like scientists that speak out against the made to order Global warming nonsense and authors of legal memos analyzing water boarding.

  294. Can’t say I recall Mosby speaking Ebonics but her behavior was clearly inappropriate. You prosecute a case, not a cause. Her rhetoric pointed to the latter.

  295. Nowa iz are tim. Nowa iz r cawzz.

    You prosecute a case, not a cause. Her rhetoric pointed to the latter. Excellent point, old friend. 🙂 You’re getting warmer.

  296. “You prosecute a case, not a cause. Her rhetoric pointed to the latter.”

    Holy shit. The most intelligent thing you’ve ever said here. Maybe the only intelligent thing you’ve said here. Very un-Rutherford-like.

  297. The most intelligent thing you’ve ever said here. Maybe the only intelligent thing you’ve said here. Very un-Rutherford-like.

    Thanks for the “compliment”. 🙄

  298. Not for nothing but the House “sit-in” was a disgraceful scene. A bunch of geriatric turds sitting on the Peoples floor wondering how many pages it would take to help them back up. Why does the Left always resort to nostalgic hippie tantrum tactics?

  299. The sit-in was a humiliation and a failure. They didn’t get their vote AND the GOP basically laughed in their faces, did their business and went “on holiday”.

    No grown-ass person can sing “We Shall Overcome” in 2016 and expect to be taken seriously.

  300. So Poolman I’m supposed to believe the Spotcrime web site is authoritative when no one in this blog has probably ever heard of it? Because the shooting wasn’t mentioned on ONE web site, it didn’t happen?

    You post this stuff as a joke right?

  301. It seems pretty up on REAL crime. You know, stuff that actually follows protocol.

    My guess they will be made to update their data when the administration figures it out…

  302. It seems to me the hardest part of leaving the EU is switching currency and the U.K. never went to the Euro so I’m wondering what are the big hurdles they will need to get over now.

  303. Record plunge of the British Pound.

    I get the sense this was voted up by British assholes.

    I’m hearing this will have unpredictable impact on Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    By far, I don’t have my head wrapped around Brexit but I sense this is a big mistake.

  304. Rutherford, this is what happens when Obama tyoe elites blow smoke up people’s ass while also being completely disconnected to said people.

    Scotland can leave, but Spain wont let them in the EU or they splinter too.

    UK will be fine in the long run. In fact, tommorow’s generation might have a chance, now.

    Socialism sucks.

  305. “Rabbit I suspect the German theater incident is getting drowned out by Brexit”

    I was making the point that the German theater incident was getting drowned BECAUSE the Brexit.

  306. Voting for Trump or leaving the European Union may be the equivalent of Sampson’s pulling down the temple walls to kill the Philistines and himself.
    This is more than two nationalist movements. It is two phases of what is essentially a growing forest fire. Consider Austria, France, Hungary,Poland, Finland, and other countries.
    Those Democrats and their media allies are engaged in nothing more than political theater. They don’t care any more for the safety of our people than they did for our troops before the Surge. Let people die if it helps them politically.

    Rabbit is right. Socialism sucks.

  307. They want to return to a mythical land where life made sense and they felt free.

    Julia of the Ukrainian video said in effect that they were tired of being exploited by uncaring criminals. “We want to be free.”

  308. Yay, brexit! Let it be the start. Texit

    Looks like Bernie is throwing his support behind Hillary. As predicted. Feeling the burn? He thinks it’s all about defeating Trump now. He’s proven himself a sellout. The system is corrupt and broken, but he is defending it and expects his peeps to do so too.

  309. Unlike the malignant narcissist and grossly incompetent Buffoon Obama, let me at least give a tip of the cap to Cameron for having the good sense to understand it’s not just Britain leaving the EU, but a rejection of Cameron’s own leadership and chosen direction that was also rejected.

    The only thing keeping Obama from being summarily rejected by the American populace, as the world frankly impeached the bumbling, mumbling idiot 3 or 4 years ago and quietly swept under the prayer rug their own naivety of not recognizing Obama a teleprompted charlatan in 2008, is the massive dependence, dysfunction and depravity Obama represents. Free stuff still buys the votes of millions of bums, parasites, and racists.

    History will not be kind to the flunky Obama either, thought the corrupt American media will do everything they can to lie about the epic failure of “The Obama Insufferable Years.”

  310. I was making the point that the German theater incident was getting drowned BECAUSE the Brexit.

    Rabbit I need to connect the dots so forgive me if I’m stating the obvious.

    Brexit vote motivated by anti-immigrant terrorist concerns.

    EU wants UK to stay.

    EU keeps terrorist event on the down low so as not to fuel Brexit fire on voting day.

    Is that your logic? I’m not criticizing. I’m just making sure I follow you.

  311. I view this Brexit thing with fear and trepidation. The future of Great Britain was left to the ignorant masses and they voted accordingly. The measure was carried in large part by what the British media characterized as “old, white and poorly educated”. It was fueled by isolationists and bigots. It may be the first domino to fall in the dissolution of the EU, followed by an exacerbation of Christian/Muslim tensions in the region.

    FP is Alfie and Huck’s thing. It ain’t mine. But I’ve got a pit in my stomach similar to what I think I would have felt at the outset of the World Wars. I think yesterday will be looked back on as the start of something very very bad.

  312. “Is that your logic? I’m not criticizing. I’m just making sure I follow you.”

    Yeah…. Not saying it’s true. Just don’t trust the liars. Germany has already been caught lying and hiding stink beard rapes/attacks.

    Liars are responsible for Brexit, by the way. And don’t think Obama doesn’t have a role in it. You can’t keep lying to the people.

  313. You don’t get it. Calling people bigots for legitimate grievances is what brought upon the Brexit.

    They want to be an independent Britannia. Not a public rest room in which Brussels lies about the cleanliness of the toilets.

    Bigots…… Ooooooh.

    Sure…. Selling your country and identity out for money might bring down the cost of some goods. Is it it worth it?

  314. I view this Brexit thing with fear and trepidation.

    Of course you do. You like huge nanny government. You feel safer in a bigger boat. You have been programmed to be dependent. You don’t have any greater source in your world to glom onto. It’s easier and more comforting for you to follow those you admire, to the point of defending their obvious inequities.

    It is time all people took back the responsibility for their lives and livelihoods.

    David Icke – WE DID IT!! But this is just the start.

  315. Rutherford except for the possible loss of Scotland,which isn’t a loss, the BREXIT is a great thing. The UK is a donor state giving more than it gets from the EU. The UK has always been a reluctant partner with Brussels. Keeping the Pound and exerting stricter immigration controls London has been half in. The UKs itnorant masses exist on both sides of the issue. Primarily under the instant gratification clause. The actual severing takes up to two years. The immediate and short term effect on the sterling is actually a good thing. UK goods just got competitive at a time people are concerned about trade &jobs.
    If America had some real leadership they would fast track UK treaties and along with Canada (huge trading partner) and Australia (seat of Pacific Pivot) get the Anglosphere thing going!

  316. The measure was carried in large part by what the British media characterized as “old, white and poorly educated”. It was fueled by isolationists and bigots. It may be the first domino to fall in the dissolution of the EU, followed by an exacerbation of Christian/Muslim tensions in the region.

    The British Media is Pravda on the Potamac – fecklessly left and useful idiots replete. Londonistan. F ‘um.

    I view this Brexit thing with fear and trepidation.

    You should. You’re world is getting ready to get rocked. And the American military detests you Progs. Two civilizations at war with each other. And neither has any use for the party you represent.

    The future of Great Britain was left to the ignorant masses and they voted accordingly.

    Like the ignorant American masses voted accordingly to elect a Buffoon as President, not once but twice. Now you got a real mess on your hands. When does Barack begin to heal the planet and usher in peace again? 😈

  317. I agree to a point, Rutherford. A European diplomat said before WW1 that the lights were going out one by one, and “we shall not see them again in our time.”

    “The old order is rapidly fading” and no one knows what comes next. Our fate might be economic anarchy, but It is still better than Europeans’ being enslaved to Brussels functionaries like cattle in a feed lot.

    I also agree with Alfie. We should move fast, but we won’t.

    Iceland was the first country to recognize Estonia when they won independence from the Soviet Union. Benefits to us would be much greater than a monument to Iceland.

  318. Good news about Brexit.

    What would an Amsplit look like I wonder?

    Six or eight pieces, two governments.

    I think Im going to invent a digital board game.

  319. The Trump movement and British exit also have racial and ethnic elements few except critics talk about. When they do, they brand such people as racists and zenophobes for behaving as other ethic groups are doing.

    Sofia Jannok sang she “is no longer welcome in my own country.”

    A man complained that Muslim immigrants harassed his grand daughter. The mayor said they should stay out of Muslim areas. The grand father in the German town of Bad Shelma replied with the same thoughts as Sofia Jannok, “You’re not allowed to walk in your own city any more.” The mayor said “That’s the way it is.”

    Michele Malkin wrote of the “Horror and hush-up in Twin Falls, Idaho” Three young sons of Sudanese and Iraqis assaulted a mentally disabled five year old girl.

    Reporters and authorities covered it up until mostly white conservatives made a fuss. They accused original residents of racism because the influx of immigrants made natives feel as they were being crowded from their own country.

    The Cold Play song “Clocks” unintentionally describes the process. Blacks and others with the cooperation of white elites have used identity politics to their advantage and to hurt their competitors.

    Whites are beginning to notice, but their fears must remain part of “Things unsaid.”

  320. Rutherford, the further I get away from the student side of the classroom, the less I know about current FP issues.

    Right now my mind is full with teaching and local politics.

  321. Rabbit, Zurawik critique of MSNBC very fair – and his putting it in context “what if you were watching this at an airport or in a bar with sound off?” was right on the money.

    But then, we’re also talking about a network that labels EVERY news story “breaking news”.

  322. Fox Business Network anchor who was born in the UK said “The British have become increasingly frustrated by being ruled, essentially in many respects of their lives by an alien, foreign bureaucracy. Notably the bureaucrats in Brussels, Belgium.”

    Hillary is bad because with her criminality, she doesn’t reflect traditional American values any more than Brussels bureaucrats reflect British values.

    Sofia Jannok has been saying the same thing. Critics have called her a woman of steel. Hillary is a woman of the land fill.

  323. Everyone out there still think this rainbow flag wavers are pure of heart? Dare you to watch this if you do…

  324. I see from Rutherford’s tweet he is hoping Hillary will trend a little more left so he and his like can in clear conscience select her in November. I’m sure she will pronounce the accepted liberal mantra at the proper time to convince them that she is just putting on the neocon act to gather as many conservative votes as she can from the warmongerers. I’m certain she has the potential to lower the tide and ground all boats. America is an unfunny joke under its current facade.

    David Icke – How Public Education Controls Your Mind

  325. “.@BernieSanders is voting against #DonaldTrump not for #HillaryClinton BRAVO!! She needs to move left to get our vote #FeelTheBern”

    LOL. R-Intellectualism.

    As I said, I can guarantee with absolute 100% certainty that if Hillary is not brought down by the email crimes Rutherford will be voting for her. Since there’s almost no chance of that with this corrupt administration, look out for impressive post hoc rationalizations around November.

  326. I’ve heard that Trump’s Hillary bashing terrorism speech was in actuality a very good one. Anyone here listen to it?

  327. I can’t really listen to trump anymore without seeing him as gay. A ranting queen. I don’t care how many attractive women he surrounds himself with. Is trump a gay man acting straight and hillary a gay woman acting straight? Does anyone here believe trump and hillary are actually rivals or in anyway different or subservient to different masters? Does anyone here believe there is no coordination between the both as far as campaign and strategy?

  328. As I said, I can guarantee with absolute 100% certainty that if Hillary is not brought down by the email crimes Rutherford will be voting for her.

    Ahhh you’re back on that again. Since there’s no proving to you what I will do after I’ve done it, the whole exchange is rather pointless.

    I’m voting for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein (or if they make the process straightforward, I’ll write in Bernie as protest vote).

    I will not be in any way responsible for reality tv star becoming president. And as for Hillary, you don’t get it. It’s beyond politics (regardless of what I tweet). It’s personal. I neither like not trust her. She reminds me of women I haven’t liked. If there’s anything legal I can do to prevent her from lecturing me for the next four years I’ll do it.

  329. Poolman I may have told this story before but Icke reminded me of a former employee and current acquaintance.

    When he was 6 or 7, the teacher told the class to write a sentence in their notebook 5 times. As she walked around the classroom, she noticed my friend only wrote the sentence once. She said “you wrote that perfectly. Now just do it 4 more times.” My friend responded “If it’s perfect as it is, why do I have to write it 4 more times?”

    Needless to say my friend has not had an easy life. His right brain simply won’t let his left brain accept the bullshit. Hell, I even had to fire him, but we stayed in touch.

    If you can figure out how to succeed without playing the game, more power to you. I haven’t figured it out yet. And believe me, I’d love for my daughter to succeed without playing the game.

  330. Another comment on Icke. I tried to start a Twitter meme to get DC residents to boycott the primary vote. It got no where.

    Icke is right that the most effective way to protest is to refuse to participate.

    On that note, I’d really prefer not to vote at all this November but I’d have to find another place to sleep. My wife is the voting is your civic duty type, and I tend to agree with her.

  331. R-lectuality again:

    “I’m voting for either Gary Johnson or Jill Stein (or if they make the process straightforward, I’ll write in Bernie as protest vote).”

    Followed by:

    “I will not be in any way responsible for reality tv star becoming president.”

    We’ll ignore your tweets. 😆

    You will toe the line because your psyche demands it.

  332. Not sure I get your point on that last one. The only way I can be directly responsible for Trump is to vote for him. Same for Hillary. I’ll vote for neither and let the chips fall where they may.

    As for Twitter, I stand with my Bernie-bro’s and I make it clear #NeverHillary will stay that way unless she courts the #FeelTheBern crowd. It won’t make any difference to me personally. But my public political stance is she needs them more than they need her.

  333. Rutherford you are clouding your intellectual integrity.
    Democrats and more specifically Progressives need to draw a line in the sand and get over the “we got Trump elected” bullshit. ANYTHING Hilary says to soothe your childish and politically naive posture is a fucking lie so why even play the pretend game.
    It would be far better to have a President Trump (he ain’t winning btw) in January and be able to hold ones head high.

    On a personal note man up will you! If there is nothing else on the ballot for you sit in the battery mobile and tell wifey to chill out.

  334. I’m thinking you can survive the lecture ride home if you only vote down ticket. If you get in the car and say “Ha ha ha #NeverHillary I voted for Trump” I’m thinking we’re all watching a viral YouTube titled Illinois woman tries to run over husband with electric car

  335. The funny thing is my wife would rather I vote for Trump than not vote at all.

    There are aspects of the Trump candidacy that she and I both like. But it’s not quite enough to tip the scale. I don’t know what she’ll do in November other than follow her late dad’s practice of keeping her vote to herself.

  336. Then stay home. You’re helping trump by voting for anyone other than Hillary (whom you’ll vote for anyway). If you don’t want Trump to win then Hillary must win. And your need for validation and acceptance demands your vote for Hillary.

    Just do it. Your wife and MSNBC will be your BFFs. You’ll be part of the intellectual class. It’ll prove you’re really smart, especially if you buy a pair if thick rimmed glasses.

  337. And your need for validation and acceptance demands your vote for Hillary.

    From whom? Don’t quit your day job. You suck at psychoanalysis.

    I’ve never seen such a lousy election in all my days.

    You’re far more wedded to your ideology than I am to mine. Voting for Trump is going to kill you but you loathe liberals, Hillary in particular. What you gonna do, bad boy?

  338. Voting is overrated anyway, Rutherford. Look at the facts. Assad got 88 percent of the vote in 2014, yet we still bombing his country and supplying mercenaries to try to get him out. It matters not the will of the people he governs nor the majority of a democratic vote.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/bashar-al-assad-re-elected-syrian-president-20146419457810751.html

    And they don’t have the crooked voting machines and funky electoral college bs like we do.

    He got 97 percent in 2007, down from 99 percent in 2000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2007

    So you see, with those in charge of things, voting is not all that meaningful.

  339. I mean really, when you look at the choices presented (especially this year), my two-and-a-half-year-old grandson pooping in the big potty for the first time is way, way more significant than voting in this piece of shit selection process in November.

  340. Not for nothing but praising Syrian voter turnout is ignorant.
    I actually tip my hat to Cameron. Contrary to the parrots who said he didn’t have to “this” are fucking scumbags. He DID have to do this. He needed to make a deal back in his early term/ coalition government days and holy shit lo and behold he kept his promise and held the referendum.
    Good on you Sir David.

  341. @ Rutherford tell her I am not voting and therefore we even out. Let me know if she buys that. Won’t be the first time I’m playing the role of bad influence 👿

  342. In energy/ political news Trans Canada the parents of Keystone are going to NAFTA court to get a 15Billion $ judgement against the USA.
    Also Solar City is running out of board members to ok Elon Musk of Tesla Motor fame from acquiring it.

  343. “You’re far more wedded to your ideology than I am to mine.”

    Oh, little man. This is very true. You don’t have an ideology. You’re a cheerleader. No different than a sports fan that wants the validation of being on the winning team. Sheesh. It doesn’t take a psychoanalyst to see that. Your political preference all turn on personality and imagery, not ideology (or policy for that matter).

  344. Sir David has class. Most of our leaders don’t.

    Our daughter in law visited with me this afternoon. We chatted on the phone for two hours. She is a Korean Immigrant and wants to be sure I vote for Trump.

    Voting for Trump requires little courage. It is an act of desperation.

    When I was in basic training, our TI joked about Polish firing squads. More accurately Republican it should be Republican firing squad.

    I hope if they bring suit, Trans Canada collects.

  345. Your political preference all turn on personality and imagery, not ideology (or policy for that matter).

    LOL If I let you insult long enough, you overplay your hand. Personality? Hillary? Nice try.

    You’re a relatively young one here. Long long ago in a galaxy far far away there was a blogger named ChenZhen. He cheered and cheered for Obama back in 2008. Tex and Rabbit met me there. Tex called me Rutherturd and wished me dead. They followed me back here to haunt me. Funny thing though. Shortly after November 2008, ChenZhen’s priorities changed. He got involved in silly blog-sabotage games and basically stopped blogging about politics. His team won and he was done.

    Nine years after I started, I’m still here, a minimum of one post a month (used to be more often). I haven’t spent 9 years leading a cult of personality. I’ve been expressing a very clear social outlook, albeit one with which you vehemently disagree.

    So go ahead with your fanboy dismissal of me. You know not what you speak.

  346. I’m still pinching myself to see if I dreamt that Poolman praised Syrian voter turnout.

    Now, what IS amazing is the Brexit vote got over 60% voter turnout. We lazy stupid Americans get the government we deserve.

  347. For those of you with Netflix, I highly recommend “The Best of Enemies”, a documentary about the rivalry between William F. Buckley Jr. and Gore Vidal.

    The killer and now classic line from Buckley to Vidal (paraphrase):

    Look, you queer. If you say crypto-Nazi again I’ll punch you in your goddam face, and you’ll be plastered.

  348. Voter turn out? I was referring to how votes were cast. 88% of votes were FOR assad. Turnout was more like 73 percent. And yes, our turnout is much lower. Apathy, or is it folks that have given up on a rigged system? The general election has done nothing to alter our hellbent course.

  349. I’m wondering if people know that Assas has stood in three elections. He won 90%+ in two,he ran unopposed. In the most recent he ran against two state sanctioned candidates,one who basically told people to vote for Assad. The election was only held in government held,read pro Assad areas.
    Citing Syrian elections makes no sense in critiquing a democracy.

  350. 73% turnout is impressive, moreso considering the place a battlefield. Turnout here for national is generally 50 to 60% of registered voters. I expect this time turnout will be much less based on the candidates offered. Higher turnout generally benefits democrats.

  351. R @ 1:51, huh? I’ve been here a mighty long time. What difference does it make that you were blathering along the same lines before and now? Are you saying weren’t a cheerleader or wrote something different then? Did you used to write something heavy at Chen Zhen? Support republican presidential candidates? What? Did MSNBC not exist then so you had to make dumb excuses and projections without being told what they were?

    Do you you know the difference between “ideological” and “partisan?”

    Too much nuance and holding two thoughts in head at same time and filet and caviar. Me no understand Chen Zen and Tex and DR and all this ideology that you used to have but are no longer wedded to (my point) or you were never ideological (still my point). . . or you’re “really really smart, you swear, Tex and DR saw it.”

  352. “Out of the many lies you’ve said here before that last one is a whopper” .

    I think you forgot some of fantasy boy’s lies.

  353. Tex and Rabbit met me there. Tex called me Rutherturd and wished me dead. They followed me back here to haunt me.

    😆 😆 😆 Ahhhh. I sure do pine for the good old days. You sure I wished you dead? Not that I would deny it, mind you. I just don’t remember thinking it. That’s the good old days when all you Leftists were so full of yourselves and your spiritual leader Barack was going to heal the planet and usher in world peace standing in front of the Styrofoam columns. I can’t tell you how many yuck yucks I’ve gotten from the naivety of the Imagine crowd.

    Seems so long ago after the millions of Buffoonrack Obama’s epic failures now. The swollen head shrunken to pygmy sized.

    Ugly Kay, the cowardly Chenzhen, that shit for brains madman that I pushed to the brink of stroke whose name escapes me now, and my personal punching bag, Rutherford T. Lawson – back in the days of wine and roses.

    Look at what has transpired. Obama’s a bum that has been impeached by the rest of the universe, you’re a broken man, and I’ve become so cynical, I almost don’t give a hoot in hell anymore who wins.

    Almost.

  354. I’m not judging anyone here who doesn’t vote in the general this time around but I still find the rationale unpersuasive.

    As I understand it Huck boils it down to his vote doesn’t count and Alfie I’m not altogether sure what you’re thinking but I’m enjoying the parlay.

    I think ET is touching upon that despite the voluminous back and forth that went down here in ’12, in the end Rutherford went with “Romney would have been worse” (that’s practically verbatim). I can totally see that happening with Hillary. I’ve not yet heard the blistering case against her from the resident-owner liberal.

  355. Muffy I’m a combination Not voting in November.
    #1 My vote doesn’t matter since Hillary will take the state without question. If I see something different I’ll need to revisit.
    #2 Trump really really isn’t my cup of tea. Although I actually find him the less dangerous POTUS compared to Hillary I have not been pushed to care. It is why I need him to pick a VP that does something for me. On the grounds of seriousness and actually having a platform if nothing else.
    #3 I really don’t want any ownership issues in the aftermath. Although I think Paul Ryan is trying to do something important and has a handful of good ideas I don’t put much stock in the rest of the GOP.They really are no better than the Democrats.
    Bottom line is the Democrats have proven themselves a danger to my country,the Libertarians have proven irrelevant and immaterial and the Republicans are at a minimum rudderless and dishonest. What other option do I really have?

  356. I’ll participate in the general, Muffy. But it truly will be with an industrial strength nose plug and a 1000 lbs. dead weight strapped to my bod. These choices are putrid – even more putrid than the usual putrid.

    I loathe Donald Trump. I detest Hillary Clinton and hold her in contempt as a person, much less as President.

    Hillary Clinton is not something I can bring myself to stomach as President.

  357. Are you not entertained? That thing was Gladiator level devoid.

    Muffy, fuck you.

    With that out of the way, Hillary Clinton put the security of the country at risk with a rogue email server designed to minimize the extent to which the public and even the government she served could observe her behavior.

    That is disqualifying. If you don’t find that a “blistering case”, there’s something wrong with you.

  358. I hear you Tex.

    I guess I do know what you’re thinking after all, Alfie.I was reading you as more resolved of late.

  359. Muffy, that stupid shit about Romney is the first thing that comes to mind (he’s a callous business man that doesn’t care blah, blah, blah). Ideological? Gimme a break. Take this post. He says the FF’s — the very embodiment of ideological — would be spinning in their graves concerning the 2nd. This from a guy that actually mocked BiC’s referenced to the Federalist papers. Actually mocks the Federalist papers, and as I recall didn’t even really know what they were (I recall he had to ask). Irrelevancies!

    Then when we get to the candidates, he talks about not wanting to be lectured to by her. Got that? The guy who praises Obama’s finger wagging shaming and lectures about his dissapointment in the people that he governs. The difference is the messenger, not ideology. There’s no fucking difference in the two. Both use the same devices and Rutherford plays along like a dope every time — and of course there’s Falwell.

    Hillary’s so-called ideology should match Rutherford’s if he had one. But fear not, he doesn’t. Apparently there was time at Chen Zen that he was more of a thinking man. 😂

  360. @R – I didn’t say there wasn’t a blistering case against Hillary. I said I’ve not heard one from you. You hated her and swore not to vote for her before the email scandal.

    Hey, the late night rap was fantastic! What are you so sore about? I wax poetic while saying nothing all the time.

  361. Another good reason for Alfie to stay home in November: The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget will release a report tomorrow stating that the Trump economic plan will add more to the Fed debt than Hillary’s. Primarily due to tax cuts not being offset by lower gov spending.

    That’s your conservative candidate folks!

  362. You hated her and swore not to vote for her before the email scandal.

    Since the email scandal was there the day she announced, I’m not sure how that’s possible.

    But yeah, she left a sour taste in my mouth all the way back in 2008.

    And to answer Tigre, the great tragedy for me this year is her character overrides her ideology. If anyone of greater character spouted the ideology she spouts I wouldn’t hesitate to vote for her. I love most of what she SAYS. I hate who she is.

    Finally, Romney was the figurehead of the oligarchy that I and Sanders supporters reject. The vote was ideological.

    I don’t even understand your parsing of ideological and partisan. Partisans share the same ideology so WTF are you talking about?

  363. Oh, to make a precise point, nimrod, I had heard of the Federalist Papers. I had not (and have not) read them.

    And you and BIC can scream Federalist Papers until you’re blue in the face. Madison never envisioned a gun that would enable the average psycho to mow down 49 people in about two minutes.

  364. Prove it. From an idelogical standpoint. As for what they might envision as to the tupe of weapon, the used powder and muskets. Even a modern hand gun might not have been visualized. And it matters not from an idelogical standpoint. But, of course, you can’t understand that. You haven’t a clue and really don’t care to have one.

    And you can scream until you’re blue in the face. Partisan and ideology are not one and the same you fucking dope. Like a Kardashian, you are partisan not an ideologue. You cheerlead. Period.

  365. Agreeing to your stupid terminology, why do I cheerlead for one vs the other? Did I flip a coin? Does the Fox News channel have too much snow on the picture so I have no choice but to watch MSNBC?

    I have an idea of how society should function. Call that what you like. I call it ideology.

    And it matters not from an idelogical standpoint.

    WRONG! Ideology is influenced by facts on the ground. Had the FF’s understood how technology could pervert their ideology into a fucking nightmare, I believe they would have moderated their tone and most certainly, the 2nd amendment would not have been written in such a way that the NRA could protect a psycho’s right to have a gun.

    I actually believe the FF’s had more wisdom and common sense than you do.

  366. Out of the many lies you’ve said here before that last one is a whopper.

    I don’t ever lie nor do I recall ever posting untruths here. I may have gained new understanding and updated what I know regarding certain things as truth, but that isn’t the same as your accusation. I have often come in conflict with your lack of understanding regarding certain topics or have challenged an ignorant perspective of yours more than once. As for this topic, I will let the scholars school you, that is if you are still able to learn. We have a definite class system here today and unless you have big bucks, you don’t get the same privileges or treatment. The minority overrule the majority.

    “America is no longer a democracy — never mind the democratic republic envisioned by Founding Fathers.

    Rather, it has taken a turn down elitist lane and become a country led by a small dominant class comprised of powerful members who exert total control over the general population — an oligarchy, said a new study jointly conducted by Princeton and Northwestern universities.

    One finding in the study: The U.S. government now represents the rich and powerful, not the average citizen, United Press International reported.

    In the study, “Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups and Average Citizens,” researchers compared 1,800 different U.S. policies that were put in place by politicians between 1981 and 2002 to the type of policies preferred by the average and wealthy American, or special interest groups.

    Researchers then concluded that U.S. policies are formed more by special interest groups than by politicians properly representing the will of the general people, including the lower-income class.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/21/americas-oligarchy-not-democracy-or-republic-unive/

  367. Rutherford, let me give you an alternative perspective to what the Framers may have thought about our current situation.

    These men gave us the right to bear arms so that we could protect our rights against anyone that might try to infringe upon them, whether it was some private citizen or a government entity (at any level). remember, these guys really didn’t even want a standing army because of how history had used them against their own people. They knew we needed that army, so they gave us a way to protect ourselves against it.

    So this idea that the Framers would not want us to have a semi-automatic AR-15 while the local police have them, and other government entities have even more, ignores the idea that the Founding Fathers may well have intended for us to have such things–and perhaps even more.

    I’m not claiming to know what these geniuses would think. But I think you and many others are failing to take some important truths into account.

    As for your babble about the NRA allowing psychos to have guns, even psychos are allowed due process. That’s another thing the Framers gave us, and I don’t think they would be happy about anyone–psycho, terrorist, or otherwise–being denied it in the course of losing any of their rights.

    Until the left stops trying to strip rights without due process, nothing is going to move forward. And it shouldn’t.

  368. On a more sarcastic note..I could see Hamilton saying flat out when asked about the 2nd Amendment: “Did I stutter?”

  369. I agree with Huck’s guess about the founding fathers’ motivation, and I have written as much. Citizens need comparable fire power.

    Declaring someone crazy or unstable without due process is as dangerous as life in the Soviet Union when political prisoners were committed to mental hospitals.

  370. Huck, both points well taken, the self-protection regardless of tech and the due process point.

    I will remind you that the average citizen (or state militia) is outgunned by our standing army. The general public’s only hope for defense against the fed is a military coup.

  371. Hillary and Obamaites have a proven record. They will arguably further degrade the Founding Fathers’ and their successors’ vision of this country. Libertarians and others have no chance of being elected.

    Hillary’s future damage is a virtual certainty, while Trump is an unknown. We face two horrible choices. We either help one or the other win with a vote or by staying home.

    It doesn’t matter if our vote is wasted by an overwhelming majority. What matters is that we did all we could to save our country. I will vote for Trump as much for myself as for that charleton. When this is over, I will know I did all I could short of firing a weapon, and will feel no guilt or angst over the outcome.

  372. Cuckol, nut lickers like Rutherford be fickle. R still mad at Hillary for the nasty things she said about Berry.

  373. Don’t assume too much.

    A military coup is possible, Rutherford. One barely failed during the Great Depression. Potential rebels tried to enlist the aid of a war hero and the American Legion.

    A million and a half Soviet soldiers invaded Finland at the start of the Winter War, it was almost like our Army fighting US citizens would be like. The Finns were hopelessly miss- matched in one of the most brutal Arctic winters in a century.

    The Fins received little help from the allies, but they skillfully used their knowledge of the terrain to trap and destroy Soviet units. Fins effectively used small ski units of guerillas to attack. Fighters hid in the brush and attacked Soviets from behind. At one point, only 32 Finns were fighting 4,000 Soviet soldiers. Fins killed over one million of the original million and a half Soviets.

    A second invasion defeated the Fins but one general said “We won nearly enough land to bury our dead.

    Simo Hayha was one of the most successful snipers of modern times. He killed over 500 Soviets in 100 days. They called him the White Ghost.

    I have mentioned the Baltic Singing Revolution and the war in Sarajevo. Our own American Revolution was a war which Britain theoretically should have won.

    Most of these revolutions and wars attracted outside aid by like minded allies or trouble makers. Otherwise, the revolutionaries might have suffered the fate of the White Russians, the fighters of the Whiskey Rebellion and Culpeper’s Rebellion.

    The odds would of course favor the central government without a military coup, but some parts of the military might fight with others, and the rebels might resort to Muslim-style terrorism. Russia or some other country might aid the rebels to stir up trouble.

    The odds would favor our central government over domestic rebels as you wrote, but the script could change in unexpected ways.

  374. @ Rutherford a coup by definition is an action. I’d put it to you an alternative exists in the form of inaction. The military could just as easily stand down.
    Still, talk of coups is well out of the realm of probability. A credible dystopian novel could have a vastly divided nation splinter into non-warring entities. The United States devolved into a domestic confederation but still maintaining a federalized international presence.

  375. Also on a strictly mil/law geek front. Even though the USA has enabled Northern Command to a borhersome bit not unprecedented level it going into action basically initiates a second revolution that would destroy the nation.

  376. R still mad at Hillary for the nasty things she said about Berry.

    Yup, that’s part of why I don’t like her. And I guess you don’t know what fickle means. That was 8 years ago and I’m still pissed. That’s long term consistent, not fickle.

  377. The opening of the military oath is something that every citizen should adhere to. I always felt it was a very moving thing,granted I was 17 and a half when I first did it.

    “I, name do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;…

    I truly believe these words would drive many to do exactly as read and that should be a reminder to nefarious politicians and punters anywhere in the USA.

  378. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed;

    How can you misinterpret that? That is a clear statement and stands alone. Isn’t putting limitations on quantity and type an infringement? What about having to register with the government and submitting to a background check? What does infringe mean to you?

  379. “I have an idea of how society should function. Call that what you like. I call it ideology.”

    You slay me. Don’t even recognize you have now agreed with my assessment in your effort to disagree.

    Words are what you choose them to be. And your ideology is. . . whatever. Deep.

    One of yours?

  380. The fact is the constitution is trashed everyday and there are none defending it. These characters in dc would all be locked up if there were real defenders at large. Truth is most are followers where oaths and ideals mean less than a paycheck.

  381. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. . . How can you misinterpret that?”

    By having no clue whatsoever of the ideological underpinnings of the 2nd amendment.

    Of “partisan underpinnings?”

    Or. . . you don’t need a semi-automatic gun to hunt. . . or something.

    Oh fuck it. The 2nd means what I choose it to mean because they didn’t have AR-!5s in the 1700s. Your buzzwords don’t apply to Rutherford. 😆

  382. “That was ambiguous. I meant they had more common sense than you possess.”

    And less than you.

    Again, you complete me.

  383. “I will remind you that the average citizen (or state militia) is outgunned by our standing army. The general public’s only hope for defense against the fed is a military coup.”

    And I will remind you that asymmetric tactics and strategies have numerous historic successes against traditional militaries. I will also remind you that modern armies don’t tend to like to fire on their own people (which is why modern dictators have internal “security” groups). I will also remind you that heavy weapons have a way of entering rebellions, which we see all the time. I will also remind you the country’s vital infrastructures can be vulnerable to inside attack.

    I can remind you of much more if I need to.

  384. Is it just me, or are we all stuck in the same loop with Rutherford, a sort of retarded ground hog day? It seems we have come to rest on this whole gun issue more than once.

    Nothing has changed in the real world except that gun deaths in America have been steadily declining even as gun sales have skyrocketed.

  385. We may be part of an advanced civilization’s Sims game. The weirdness may explain it intergalactic child’s play.

    If it is true Trump is involved with Bill Clinton’s child abuser friend, that is strange enough, but Steven Hawking?

  386. So some neo-Nazis had a permit to hold a rally in Sacramento, today. They were met by a large group of counter-protesters who were set on denying them the ability to rally. The groups clashed and violence ensued. There were multiple stabbings, and attacks with bats, sticks, and other weapons. I can’t find out which group got stabbed, but I did see pictures of bloodied skinheads. A member of the neo-Nazi group who wasn’t there did say their group had been getting threats and members planned on arming themselves with knives that fell within the legal limit of California. So based on all of that, my assumption is that counter-protesters started beating on the neo-Nazis and the neo-Nazis then defended themselves.

    I have been waiting for this.

    What really stands out to me is the counter-protest group was calling itself the Anti-Fascists. I find it ironic that a group protesting against fascism and calling itself Anti-Fascists resorted to fascist tactics in order to stifle free speech at a legal and permitted rally.

    What also stands out to me is that I saw pictures of “Anti-Fascists” with their faces covered, while the neo-Nazis were not. And even the KKK doesn’t cover their faces anymore.

    These so-called “Anti-Fascists” are actually the fascists. And I suspect they aren’t even truly aware of that. Because they think they are in the right.

    Which makes one wonder if all fascists throughout history were the same way.

    No point here, really, just food for thought.

  387. “I, name do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;…”

    It is a very moving thing.

  388. Just watched a video of the Anti-Fascists attacking a TV news crew.

    Again…anti-fascists utilizing fascism to counter fascists who are not acting fascist.

  389. Also saw a picture of people from the Nazi group who had their faces covered, so that previous point is fairly moot now.

  390. Which makes one wonder if all fascists throughout history were the same way.

    I think that’s a no-brainer. I have zero doubt Hitler thought he was “right”. Hell, Charlie Manson thought he was right. I think step one in doing the wrong thing is first convincing oneself it is right.

    I tweeted the other day about some lady who blithely said Trump followers were violent. Outright lie. Almost all the violence has been perpetrated by anti-Trump protesters. The media looks the other way because they believe the protesters to be “right”.

  391. I probably didn’t articulate my thought well enough. I also have no doubt that all fascists think they are right. My thought was actually questioning if they thought they were fascists.

  392. This reporter has some good stuff on her Twitter.

    “There is no free speech for fascists… Anyone who is thinking of joining them–don’t. Because the day won’t go good for you.”

  393. I’m pretty careful to keep my professional Twitter presence fire walled from my political one.

    So why the fuck does my professional account have a new follower “AR-15 Crash Course”? LOL 😂😂😂

  394. “So why the fuck does my professional account have a new follower “AR-15 Crash Course”? LOL 😂😂😂”

    I sometimes worry about your online presence. If I were you, I would shut this place down open a new one anonymously again.

  395. So you think your schooling’s phony
    I guess it’s hard not to agree
    You say it all depends on money
    And who is in your family tree

    Right, you’re bloody well right
    You know you got a right to say
    Right, you’re bloody well right
    You know you got a right to say

    Ha-ha you’re bloody well right
    You know you’re right to say
    Yeah-yeah you’re bloody well right
    You know you’re right to say
    Me, I don’t care anyway!

    Write your problems down in detail
    Take them to a higher place
    You’ve had your cry, no, I should say wail
    In the meantime hush your face
    Right, quite right, you’re bloody well right

  396. We were in an elevator on our way to a bus driving us to the airport when we repeated the oath. The man in charge told us the oath would bind us for the rest of our lives.

    It is why I am voting for Trump even if a court says he had sex with a thirteen year old. Rapist Bill managed all right with voters while he and Hillary tried to wreck women’s lives after he assaulted them.

  397. My experience and reading showed that fascists think they are right and their enemies are so dangerous they must be silenced.

    I have repeated what a grad student told me when he learned I was a veteran. “You don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you.” My experience led me to refuse to financially help any university I attended, and our children have followed their parents’ example.

  398. I always thought it strange that people took oaths, even as far as some swearing an oath on the Bible. I remember taking the boy scout oath. I think we took some oaths growing up Catholic. The Bible clearly states NOT to swear an oath. Since I discovered that, it always seems hypocritical to me for people to take oaths, mostly done in ignorance. Like when they make people put their hand on the Bible and swear to tell the truth. It basically negates that effort. Our whole court setup is mostly symbolic and theater. Then again, we are the most bewitched of cultures. No one seems to understand the holly wood significance nor are they aware of the tradition and common practices of witchcraft.

    “The culturally programmed “reality” in America is that you as a voter have choice, that your opinion matters and that the contenders who are vying for your support are “real” people just like you. The truth is in essence quite the opposite. In truth, matters of this magnitude are decided for you. We are only programmed to think we have done it ourselves. The key players in this political “reality” show are specially chosen on their willingness to accept scripted roles. And the winner is always chosen not on the merit of their work, or performance record as public servant – but on their genetic bloodline. How do most Americans miss these evident truths, with so much information available via the internet and its effective means to dig below the surface of any topic at a premium in terms of ease – why do most only accept the programmed “reality” at play on the stage of American politics? How does it all work?”

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/06/24/reality-programming-truth-american-politics/

  399. So as the Obama Administration sails into its autumn last shot policies begin to emerge.
    DoD is expected to change its policy on transgender service members. OMFG!

  400. Rutherford if you are seeing suspicious linkage & overlap you might want to consider some house cleaning. IP mapping in regards to big data is a pretty significant pain in the privacy ass.

  401. I sometimes worry about your online presence. If I were you, I would shut this place down open a new one anonymously again.

    Rabbit, when I started out I was worried too. Once I got outed at Fat Grannies, I figured screw it. Full disclosure – I speak my mind pretty clearly on Facebook too where I don’t have a pen-name so someone could have found some gun related thing on there too and then followed my Twitter feed. I was more amused by AR-15 Crash Course following me than disturbed by it. Heck, coulda been the work of my brother-in-law! 🙂

    Alfie, thanks also – I think I screwed the pooch on privacy ages ago. As long as none of my money goes missing, I’m not too worried. If I see any drones in front of my apartment, I’ll call Poolman for advice.

  402. Your title is “if you can’t beat em, join em.

    I would like to see your idiom and raise you one:

    If you give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.

    To which I have my own way of responding. I say give them the whole mile, better yet – give them two. Let them carry that around and manage it along with the rest of their baggage and I’ll go about my own purpose at my own pace.

  403. Alfie, I read your Brexit piece over at your place. Some questions and observations.

    1. How’s your 401k doing? As of 10am CDT the market was down about 300. There was a drop Friday also.
    2. Maybe I missed it but you didn’t address the Scotland impact. Isn’t it likely they will vote again and this time leave the UK?
    3. While I don’t fully understand the ramifications I hear Brussels will punish UK for this decision to inhibit further XX-exits.
    4. The Brexit was sold on lies. An ad on the side of a double decker bus cited an inflated figure going from UK to EU. It was also suggested money not going to EU could be redirected to NHS but then post-vote, Nigel Farage, head of UKIP (UK Independent Party) started hedging on that assertion. Farage was a major proponent of Brexit (along with Boris Johnson).
    5. You seem to dismiss the anti-immigrant aspect yet you acknowledge that during your recent visit, British hospitality workers had been displaced by Poles. That confused me.
    6. You seem to find the pundits silly but I saw a writer for The Economist who looked like his mother just died. Don’t you consider The Economist credible?
    7. As further evidence that Brexit was sold to ignorant anti-immigrants, the top Google search in Great Britain AFTER the vote was “what is the EU?” That’s pretty disturbing.
    8. UK will supposedly go into a lengthy recession.

    Isn’t your support of Brexit overlooking a lot of factors?

  404. Hate to do it this way but…
    How’s your 401k doing? As of 10am CDT the market was down about 300. There was a drop Friday also.
    My investments are doing okay. I have one chunk of international exposure and it is only down 2%. It is a mutual fund that has an excellent management history so I think I’ll do fine.
    Maybe I missed it but you didn’t address the Scotland impact. Isn’t it likely they will vote again and this time leave the UK?
    Back during the first bit of Scottish independence I didn’t think it was a good idea for Scotland and I still don’t. Scotland is under the illusion that their primary money maker,North Sea oil, is actually theirs. It isn’t.No I think Scotland is more likely to pursue a blocking action.
    While I don’t fully understand the ramifications I hear Brussels will punish UK for this decision to inhibit further XX-exits.
    The EU has a lot of wiggle room but are essentially flat footed and in shock. I don’t put much stock in the immediate aftermath stuff other than how it highlights their hypocrisy and flat footedness. I mentioned as much in my post.They can’t punish Britain too much since it is the second largest European economy.The UK can find more markets outside of Europe whereas the EU isn’t going to replace the UK as consumers
    The Brexit was sold on lies. An ad on the side of a double decker bus cited an inflated figure going from UK to EU. It was also suggested money not going to EU could be redirected to NHS but then post-vote, Nigel Farage, head of UKIP (UK Independent Party) started hedging on that assertion. Garage was a major proponent of Brexit (along with Boris Johnson).
    Sold on lies? Not fully but it was also campaigned against via lies and fear mongering. Bottom line no matter how much a mouth breather you are one has to appreciate that being British means something. I pointed out in my post how the British who were so pro Remain,the youth especially are actually in a la la land.
    You seem to dismiss the anti-immigrant aspect yet you acknowledge that during your recent visit, British hospitality workers had been displaced by Poles. That confused me.
    Presumably legal ones too although there has been a history of Polish and especially Balkan illegals. The latter more so as the Balkan War era caused many EU countries to refuse refugee status and free movement. A real insult when you consider the Syrian crap. Still I stand my position in my post that border controls are not xenophobia but economic survival tools & that the freedom of movement in the EU doesn’t/hasn’t really helped the British common man.
    You seem to find the pundits silly but I saw a writer for The Economist who looked like his mother just died. Don’t you consider The Economist credible?
    Honestly I find the Economist a thoroughly dog shit publication who are bald face liars when it comes to defending their pets. Climate Change and the EU being their two favorite poster children.
    As further evidence that Brexit was sold to ignorant anti-immigrants, the top Google search in Great Britain AFTER the vote was “what is the EU?” That’s pretty disturbing.
    I don’t put much stock in Google and social media trending.
    UK will supposedly go into a lengthy recession.
    I don’t see how other than if it is maliciously carried out by those that have had their shroud ripped from them. Globalization,centralization and greed have been cast into the spotlight. I think,I hope more people see this and say ENOUGH as opposed to falling victim.I imagine me holding that position may surprise some
    Isn’t your support of Brexit overlooking a lot of factors?
    As you may have noticed from previous posts I’ve followed the Brexit closer than a number of UK residents. I think I’ve set myself on fairly solid footing.

  405. I also think Alfie is on sold footing. The Pound is losing value, and that makes British goods and services cheaper than they were. It will help the British economy and make it a good place for us to visit.

    The Drudge Report has a link to a story which claims the EU is evolving into a super state.

  406. The Brexit was sold on lies.

    I think you mean the EU was sold on lies. But then, you are still an Obama rube. Have the seas resided yet under your messiah as promised?

  407. Democrats admitted they did their sit-in for nothing but publicity. They knew they were technically breaking the law and wanted Paul Ryan to call the cops and have America see them in handcuffs. He knew it would be bad optics and didn’t oblige them.

    But here is where he has made a potential mistake…

    Democrats have already signaled they have plans for more shenanigans. And Paul Ryan says he won’t stand for it. He may as well have used the words “red line”.

    It’s a potential mistake because the optics won’t change. So now that he has said this, he is left with being very careful about how he doesn’t stand for it…or…he stands for it after saying he wouldn’t.

    He’d have been better off not entering into this pissing contest until it’s actually time to whip it out and pee.

  408. Alfie, thanks for the detailed answer and my apologies for not linking to your original work.

    I’m a simple man (or a dumb one if you ask Rabbit, Tigre and Muffy) so I tend to view things in broad strokes. The more complex, the more I try to get it down to nuts and bolts. James comment spoke volumes.

    The Drudge Report has a link to a story which claims the EU is evolving into a super state.

    When I contrast your (Alfie) view of Brexit with that of the lib media, it looks like yet another Rorshack test. There is the “states rights” conservative view represented by Drudge (and you) and then there is the do-good central gov approach represented by the lib media and the Obama admin.

    If one believes too much centralized power is bad, Brussels makes the skin crawl. That’s Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, you and most others here.

    According to Rachel Maddow (bear with me), after WWII, Churchill contemplated “The United States of Europe” as the only way to avoid WWIII. Her thesis is that the EU is the progeny of that idea. It is interesting, if one buys Maddow’s history, that the EU will be undone in no small part by the enemy within: radical Islam. Churchill did not see that coming.

  409. On that last note, while Trump was clueless about Scotland being a “remain state”, he was right about Brexit in general. “We want our country back” was the overriding theme. Hillary needs to be afraid, very afraid.

  410. Some commentators referenced Hillary and Liz’s matching pantsuits on the stump in Ohio today. Ever heard that said about male candidates?

    You’ve come a long way, baby – my ass.

  411. Huck, it appears Ryan likes the tightrope act. Just look at his support of Trump. Endorsement but “I reserve the right to denounce him every time he says something stupid or offensive.”

  412. “Hillary needs to be afraid, very afraid.”

    You might be right if our was a direct democracy like their referendum was.

    But it’s not….

  413. According to the media, Hillary is leading in the polls. According to the media, Hillary is human and newsworthy. According to the media, humans can develop echolocation abilities equal to dolphins in less than a lifetime.

    Of course Brexit was a good thing considering the purpose for its formation.

    This will be interesting to see if it gets any play:

    http://www.phibetaiota.net/2016/06/robert-steele-open-letter-to-mr-james-comey-fbi-director-on-indicting-hillary-clinton-and-telling-the-truth-about-orlando/

  414. I obviously don’t buy Meadows history although I concede I’m assuming how she used it in full context.
    Churchill made the case in a speech in 1946. He was at that time unaware,in denial or some lacking all the facts that the future,the immediate future,would hold.
    Check out this easy to follow timeline R.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3583801.stm

  415. “I’m a simple man (or a dumb one if you ask Rabbit, Tigre and Muffy) so I tend to view things in broad strokes. The more complex, the more I try to get it down to nuts and bolts.”

    LOL.

    Yes. You struggle.

  416. “The demography of the referendum suggests that it is primarily the British working people who want to leave the EU. In the last four decades they have watched manufacturing dying out. They saw an economic bubble that left many of them impoverished and off the property ladder. But it wasn’t really the EU that caused all of it and leaving the EU may not improve things. Milton Friedman, who taught ‘free market’ philosophy to Margaret Thatcher, never lived in Brussels. Friedman believed in the service economy. He also believed that capitalism wasn’t just a great idea, it was also very good for the Jews. Goldman Sachs, George Soros and others who fecklessly destroy one country after another are also not part of the Brussels Government. The British vote was actually a vote against Goldman Sachs, Soros, Friedman and cultural Marxism, but most of them do not know it yet.”

    https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/brexit-and-jewish-oligarchy/

  417. Ok Poolman get to work on your research. Another false flag event at Istanbul airport. 10 reported dead, another 20 injured – BUT we know they’re all actors, right? 😉😉

  418. I hate airlines. I was scheduled to go see my new grand daughter today and was going to join my wife up in Pittsburgh through Saturday. Living in a city you have to connect at a hub can be a hassle. My flight to Dallas – delayed three hours. My connecting flight left 15 minutes before we were even in the air.

    The assholes at Southwest couldn’t even get me to Pittsburgh until Thursday – and that was out of Dallas, on my dime at some hotel. Unbelievable. My damn bags are in the car, the dogs at the Vet. Pissed me off.

    Needless to say, long story short, I just got my “vacation” to see my new granddaughter canceled on the way to the airport. About all you can do is laugh. Southwest is “negotiating” for my non-refundable flight. I told them under no circumstances will I not be receiving compensation – my terms, non-negotiable and don’t fuck with me, then hung up. I said it just like that. I got an email that said their management would call me tomorrow. 😆

    If I never flew again, it would be too soon.

  419. That sucks, Tex. I will not fly again. Ever, if I can help it. Growing up an army brat I flew often. I really enjoyed it back then. I haven’t flown anywhere in 7 years. I’m also spoiled with all the grand kids living close. We will have 3 over here tonight. Hang in there. Southwest will try to make it right.

  420. The numbers are running a lot higher than 10 dead in many media reports.

    If only they had sensible gun control legislation and none of those 2nd amendment nut jobs that insist on owning AR 15s!

  421. Poolman, I used to fly so often, that I actually had Platinum cards on American and for a short time, Delta. I told Delta I would never fly with them again after being left in an airport one night. That was 20 years ago. Haven’t been on a Delta plane since.

    I am very thankful, most of those flights were before 9/11. Like you, if I can help it, I just almost refuse to fly. However, weekend after next, I’m on a flight to Pittsburgh again. You guessed it. With Southwest; non refundable. Ugh…

  422. I always thought southwest one of the better airlines. I used to know people that worked for them. They were a good firm to work for according to those who did, but it probably isn’t the same. Nothing is as it was a decade ago. I know most of these big corporations have lost all sense of service.

  423. I hate airlines. I used to like flying. Way back TWA was my fave. AA was ok but used to drive me nuts with connections. Ive only used Delta to Bermuda direct from Boston, those flights always good. International travel has been mostly BA and now Virgin which surprised me with how good they were, expensive though.
    Again back in the day USAir almost killed me in Pittsburgh.

  424. I hate airlines. I used to like flying. Way back TWA was my fave. AA was ok but used to drive me nuts with connections. Ive only used Delta to Bermuda direct from Boston, those flights always good. International travel has been mostly BA and now Virgin which surprised me with how good they were, expensive though.
    Again back in the day USAir almost killed me in Pittsburgh.

  425. Tigre, even after magnification, couldn’t completely make out what the banner said so your Falwell joke fell flat. Feel free to spell it out for me.

    Regarding the Istanbul airport and AR-15’s, no worries. After careful study of the Federalist Papers I now understand Madison wanted to protect our right to strap bombs to ourselves.

  426. I think my record flying on IBM business was six flights in one year. That was when I was in MUCH better health.

    Now I’m under strict orders not to fly without supplementary oxygen so I say fuck it. We drive everywhere now. And I don’t miss flying one bit.

    Alfie did bring back memories. I flew TWA and Pan-Am as a kid on family vacations. Both are gone now.

  427. I think Madison would have been one of the first to recognize government sponsored terrorism for what it is. He was well aware of the shortcomings of man and the evil that is government

  428. Tex, interestingly the “middle finger” on the “UK flip the bird” joke was Scotland, who did NOT flip the EU the bird.

    Who was told by the plutocrats of the EU no thanks if they can’t bring the UK bankroll. 🙂

  429. Just so I understand, you saying the EU told Scotland “we don’t need you on your own”?

    Not that I’d be surprised. The more I hear the more arrogant Brussels sounds.

  430. “Republican Hate Kills” — following Orlando shooting

    Hover your cursor over the image next time.

    “After careful study. . .” Hahahahahahaha. I couldn’t make it past “careful study.” Good one.

  431. “After careful study of the Federalist Papers I now understand Madison wanted to protect our right to strap bombs to ourselves.”

    You understand nothing of that source because you only have 2nd-hand knowledge and analysis of its contents. You only know what it says and what it means by asking others what it says and what it means.

  432. Yes, Samantha Bee is a dreaded lib propagandist but you don’t see stories like this everyday. I’d particularly like our resident Michiganer to pipe in on it.

  433. Terrorists are now giving instructions to only attack white people the US because the US government will call it a hate crime and not give them their due credit otherwise.

  434. @ Huck too funny.
    Two days & counting Reuters flakking the “poll” that shows Trump supporters to be racists.
    @ R from what I’ve seen out of 4 Stewart spin offs Bee probably best. Oliver maybe but the other two suck.

  435. Rutherford, the video is lie. There is so much clandestine shit going down in Dearborn that I know a cop that said half the time they pull someone over it’s a Fed!
    That lady can snicker all she wants, radical Islam is a problem in Dearborn.

    Can you have a nice cultural experience with delicious food? Yes.

    Are there numerous cells, organized crime, double agents, operatives and terrorists? Yes.

  436. Are there numerous cells, organized crime, double agents, operatives and terrorists?

    I think this can describe EVERY culture in almost EVERY community. There has always been this stuff going on, usually ‘underground’.

    Growing up in an Italian household, we all knew relatives involved in the ‘mob’. But let’s remember, the ‘father of terrorism’ was Jewish and most of today’s ‘terror events’ are put on by our own security institutions.

    “The FBI is responsible for more terrorism plots in the United States than any other organization. More than al-Qaida, more than al-Shabaab, more than the Islamic State.”

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-govt-agents-involved-in-almost-every-major-terror-plot-since-911/209298/

  437. Out here in Iowa, we had contacts with organized crime too. Some of my in- laws were secretly making whiskey in their barn and making a good living until Feds raided them. Al Capone’s brother was a sheriff six miles across the river in Nebraska.

    One reason Brits vote to leave the EU is that parts of their country are more like the Middle East than the UK.

  438. Why the fuck is a left-driven spoof news routine begging serious discussion? DR can you comment on that?

  439. Sorry James. The Bee piece aired before the Istanbul attack so one had nothing to do with the other … unless you’re going to go all Poolman on me and say Samantha knew about the attack in advance. 😀😀😂

  440. Tigre another in a thousand topics upon which we disagree. “Official” news is often homogenized bullshit. “Comedy” shows actually have license to cover news more effectively at least some of the time.

    Bee’s piece was obviously biased. It was not “let’s go where all the evidence takes us”. It was selective. Which is why I was curious what Rabbit thought of it.

    But that doesn’t mean it deserves to be dismissed. It’s a good start for an honest conversation.

  441. I don’t think there is anyone in the media wanting an honest discussion. The media owners won’t allow it. It has been quite some time since there was honesty in main stream journalism. This is one example that started out seeking truth and was quite investigative, only to be scrubbed and eventually buried.

    https://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/09/11/israeli-connection-to-911-reported-later-removed-by-fox-news/

    As far as the ‘mob’ is concerned, General Smedley Butler pointed out the biggest mob was the government. I think he is the general James was referring to earlier in the thread:

    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/if-you-cant-beat-em/#comment-145597

  442. Huck, I don’t know if that was a joke but damn it has a ring of truth. I’ve been thinking myself how pissed off ISIL must be that the gay movement totally co-opted their attack.

  443. Alfie, here’s my take on the Daily Show “franchise” going best to worst:

    Last Week Tonight: John Oliver’s focus on international stories is refreshing. Of all the shows, his is the most serious and ambitious.

    Full Frontal: Samantha Bee and her writers probably have the sharpest attacks out there. Unlike The Daily Show (under Stewart) there is zero pretense of objectivity.

    The Colbert Report: I think Colbert kept his O’Reilly impersonation pretty fresh over the decade and he excelled at interviews (and still does) due to his improv background.

    The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: that show is now a shadow of its former self. Noah has become a bit more comfortable but he’s still terribly awkward. Supporting cast is weaker also.

    The Nightly Show: This for me has been the biggest disappointment. I felt it had promise at first but has devolved into a show almost entirely about race. Larry Wilmore’s supporting cast is actually stronger than Noah’s.

  444. The Bee woman showed some comedic chops. I rarely can sit through the left amusing themselves with mean spirited “satire” about how mean spirited other people are. But that was surprisingly bearable. Not much truth to it though.

    Ironically, the people doing the most complaining about the silence on the part of “good Muslims” has been the left. That had held true here too, I think, particularly with regard to Rutherford. The Obama administration has reached out to political Islam but not reformers. That makes me wonder if those who suggest that Islam can’t be reformed are right, and the administration knows it.

    Was her hijab mocking or merely ironic?

  445. “Terrorists are now giving instructions to only attack white people the US because the US government will call it a hate crime and not give them their due credit otherwise.”

    And that makes me think that Obama knows what he’s doing after all.

  446. Obama is an apologist for radical Islam. Nothing more.

    I assume the hijab was required if the interview were conducted in the mosque.

    ““Comedy” shows actually have license to cover news more effectively at least some of the time.”

    Like commentary, it’s not “news” Rutherford. But no big shock you find nothing in the difference given your depth on most subjects and prolific viewing habits.

  447. Was her hijab mocking or merely ironic?

    I wondered the same thing. I tend to agree with most everything else you said in the comment particularly regarding the LEFT including me calling for moderate Muslims to speak out.

    And that makes me think that Obama knows what he’s doing after all.

    You channeling Trump here? Obama, secret Muslim?

  448. “You channeling Trump here? Obama, secret Muslim?”

    I don’t know what that means. I’ve never thought Obama was Muslim.

  449. “Trump said virtually the same words you did, implying Obama was a terrorist sympathizer.”

    Then no, I wasn’t channeling Trump. I was implying that Obama is a racist.

  450. “You’re a silly guy Tigre. 99% of news is commentary.”

    And 100% of commentary is commentary.

    And just when I recently thought you said something intelligent you bring us all back down to reality. It turned out to be a Chauncy Gardner moment.

  451. Poolman, no I don’t have a green thumb but I’m not a plant killer either. I’ve had limited success with house plants. (Yes, Tigre, I know it’s because I resemble one.)

    The comment was in reference to “Being There”, a pop culture reference of Tigre’s that I actually understood. Now I just have to watch Vinnie.

  452. I am not implying that Obama is a racist. He IS a racist.

    Obama through his upbringing as a Muslim sympathizer is blinded by the warm spot in his heart for Muslims. Thus, he is also a religious bigot.

    Hillary is more simple. Her criminal mind is obvious.

  453. James, there’s a lot to unpack in your comment.

    I don’t believe Obama dislikes white people nor do I think he finds blacks superior to whites nor do I think he believes certain character traits unique to whites. That is the definition of racist. I don’t think he’s a racist.

    I think Obama, his wife and many prominent blacks are racialists. They see race as a factor in many if not most situations. I strongly dislike Joy Ann Reid on MSNBC because I think she’s a hyper-racialist, not a racist.

    Louis Farakhan is a racist. He thinks whites are evil and blacks superior. The New Kids on the Block Black Panther Party is racist. They want to kill white people.

    Second, Obama having a warm spot in his heart for Muslims is no different from your having a warm spot in your heart for Christians. One often sympathizes with those they grew up around. I would like to think that it particularly pains him to see a religion with which he has had a benign relationship torn to pieces by these nutjob radicals.

  454. We covered this ground before. I am judging leftists by the same standards they demonstrate for conservatives.

    I don’t have time to discuss anything right now, because I am playing with our grand daughter.

    It is fun to stir the waters a bit.

  455. @R – you’re pretending that for the last 8 years Democrats haven’t been insisting that racism is a thing, and declaring now that racism is not a thing.

    Second, the warm spot fluff is meaningless. Obama’s upbringing doesn’t explain the same “warm spot” that many/most/all leftists have for Islam.

  456. I would call Rutherford a racialist, Obama a politically expedient racist, and buffoons like Obama’s spiritual mentor, Rev. J, a full blown racist.

  457. “Racialist.” LOL.

    This, Tigre is why I accuse you of being anti-intellectual. You don’t even have respect for the fucking dictionary. I looked both words up in Merriam-Webster before commenting. Does that make me an intellectual? No. It makes me minimally competent.

    Your laughing at it makes you a troglodyte.

  458. Muffy, this is what I was responding to:

    Obama through his upbringing as a Muslim sympathizer is blinded by the warm spot in his heart for Muslims.

    James mentioned upbringing with respect to OBAMA, not most leftists. I addressed James’ comment.

    Would you like to broaden the discussion to most lefties?

    Second, yes, most libs scream about racism all the time. I did not address that at all. My comments were about Obama. Again would you like to broaden the discussion?

  459. @R – I know what you were responding to regarding Obama’s “warm spot” by way of his upbringing. It’s hot air. Obama’s views are in line with many/most/all leftists.

    “Second, yes, most libs scream about racism all the time. I did not address that at all.”

    Your argument that Obama & Reid are not racist but Farrakhan & the NBP are is tantamount to an argument that racism is practically non-existent.

  460. “This, Tigre is why I accuse you of being anti-intellectual. You don’t even have respect for the fucking dictionary. I looked both words up in Merriam-Webster before commenting. Does that make me an intellectual? No. It makes me minimally competent.

    Your laughing at it makes you a troglodyte.”

    Says the guy that called me a racist for using the term “black community.”

    You would be impressed with your new word.

    Obama and his wife are racists, not just racialists.

    Respect for the dictionary? LOL. Are you minimally competent or an “incompentalist?”

  461. Sorry Muffy but I found that last comment incomprehensible. That Obama’s views are in line with many leftists doesn’t negate the influence his upbringing had. So it’s not hot air at all – unless you’re just interested in dealing in generalities rather than analyzing one individual.

    Your second comment completely escapes me. I cited two sources of BLACK racism so clearly it exists.

    But if you don’t think racism is more prevalent among whites than blacks in this country, you’re smoking crack. Our American history is grounded in the supposition that the white man is superior to the black man. That’s the text book definition of racism.

  462. Says the guy that called me a racist for using the term “black community.”

    You hold onto these weird grudges about stuff I’ve long since forgotten. Seriously, find me where I called you racist for anything. Or better yet, put Detective Muffy on the case.

    I don’t think any of you are racist, even Tex who loves to push buttons.

  463. R, you’d be better served not trying to tell us who should be considered an