Truth or No Consequences

One of Donald  Trump’s regular talking points is what a lying press we have. Trump may be wrong on many things but this is not one of them. Just in the last seven days I encountered three bald-faced lies that really pissed me off.

Slate’s Trumpcast

I subscribe to a podcast by Slate called the Trumpcast. The entire mission of its host, Jacob Weisberg, is to discredit, mock and basically hate on Donald Trump. With that premise it might be foolish to fact check the show but one guest really irked me because I KNOW MY TV!!

The guest was Virginia Heffernan, a media critic with a good resume and a desire to lie about The Donald. She was on the Trumpcast to educate Weisberg and his listeners about Trump’s hit NBC show The Apprentice. Not only did she fail to accurately describe the show’s modus operandi, she called Trump’s “firing” decisions, more often than not, capricious and arbitrary. Ehhh … LIE, OUTRIGHT LIE! Before he became a birther, I watched Trump’s show religiously. In almost every case Trump eliminated one of the weakest contestants. The exceptions were usually stronger players who self sabotaged in the “board room”.

Of course, Weisberg lapped up the misrepresentation with glee. Ms. Heffernan also neglected to mention the season devoted to those who had been laid off in the bad economy or the fact that every season of Celebrity Apprentice raised gobs of money for charity. That wouldn’t comport with our image of Trump as heartless greedy asshole. (By the way, Weisberg actually hosted an episode dedicated to an “intellectual analysis” of whether Trump is an official asshole.)

The Rachel Maddow Show

In this case MSNBC darling Maddow either didn’t do her homework or simply lied. I suspect the latter.

She showed a video of Trump calling Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, Pochahontas. She then claimed Trump was mocking Native Americans. Noooo, he was mocking fake Native Americans. Now, I don’t claim to know the truth of Warren’s heritage but I do know for years, the right has doubted her claim of being part Cherokee. Maddow knows this too but would rather leave the viewer with the impression Trump is just a bigot.

The Nicole Sandler Show

In this case, the host is not the perpetrator of the lie but the exposer. This lie is simple but pervasive. Almost every time the MSM tells us the delegate counts of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, they include the number of superdelegates (folks wiser than mere mortals to keep us from picking the “wrong” candidate). Nicole points out one simple problem with this. The superdelegates haven’t voted yet!

They don’t vote until the convention. So every superdelegate count we see is an estimate. Of course the estimate is designed to propogate the myth of Hillary’s inevitability. This lie is so vile, even the corrupt DNC has asked the networks to stop doing it, to no avail.

Despite all his foolishness, Trump is owed a debt of gratitude for turning up our scrutiny of the “lyin’ press”.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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656 thoughts on “Truth or No Consequences

  1. I agree with you. My wife and I also watched The Apprentice and reached the same conclusions.

    We don’t have cable so we don’t watch the other two shows. Rachal Maddow, for her intelligence is a partisan.

    Trump is outspoken, and I agree, he deserves credit for exposing the press. His counter attacks on Hillary and Bill are also useful since many voters are too young to know about the Clinton’s early scandals.

    Most of the press is feeding us the party line as it sellectively chooses which stories to report and how. People are too lazy or busy to research news events themselves, and they depend on mainstream news for their information. The press is partly responsible for our current state of affairs, and it deserves to be exposed when it is lying.

    A Cherokee geneologist found no sign of an Indian connection dating back to the Trail of Tears. Warren also admitted that her claim does not meet the legal and cultural standards of claims for native Americanship.

    She says she has high cheek bones. Well so do I and many of my family. She is so fair she would probably sun burn after ten minutes in the sun. So would my family.

    My Warren in laws came from English, Irish, and Norman populations. Normans are descended from Vikings as are both sides of my family.

    Obama said if he had a son, he would look like Travon. If I had an aunt, she would look like Elizabeth. My 14% or so percent Asian genes from the Fins are probably more numerous than Lizzy’s Indian genes. That woman stole a slot from a true minority to enhance her career.

  2. Maddow is more than partisan. She’s a propagandists.

    Exposing the liberal’s effectiveness at rewriting/sweeping away history runs a thrill up my leg, James is right. Trump’s irreverence when it comes to the Clintons is mighty useful.

  3. “Now, I don’t claim to know the truth of Warren’s heritage but I do know for years, the right has doubted her claim of being part Cherokee.” – R

    No, you willfully remain ignorant. This isn’t the right “doubting” her. She is not part of any Cherokee nation and can’t even come up with one ancestor, even going back to the early 19th century. Not one!!!!!!

    Not that it would mean anything even if she could. It doesn’t work that way.

    It’s a particularly disgusting and deplorable lie because she seemed to have profited off it.

    A quick google search would return with documented and irrefutable proof that she is a disgusting liar. Some of it coming from Warren herself: She at first feigned she had no clue why the University listed her a Native American.

    But putting your head in the sand is easier.

    Maddow’s fake outrage isn’t over Trump calling a Native American Pocahontas. She knows Warren is as Indian as Adolf Hitler. It’s that Trump simply used the term of a historic Indian to mock a hero on the left. Gasp!

    The left uses a cry bully tactic to control speech, particularly effective speech. It’s basically a crime for any WASP to even mention anything to do with indigenous peoples. Forbidden speech. The fascist left will come after you.

  4. My sewer line broke. I think I’m out up to 10 grand. Yeah… I really am broke now, Rutherford. Anyone want to buy some flowers? Or a 2005 minivan,?

  5. It amazes me that the same people on the academic left who abhor the cultural appropriation of taco night at the cafeteria look the other way over Warren’s lie. She probably is the only legitimate example of cultural appropriation I can think of.

    All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal then others.

  6. Despite all his foolishness, Trump is owed a debt of gratitude for turning up our scrutiny of the “lyin’ press”.

    Trump has made a name for himself off of that very same ‘lyin’ press’. He works both sides of the victim/victimizer angle to gain advantage.

  7. I don’t know how it works in MI, Rabbit, but in Oklahoma, if it’s the sewer line leading from the house to the main, it’s your responsibility. If it’s the main, it’s the city’s responsibility.

    Was it your line that broke? That sounds terribly expensive to repair a line. A guy like Poolman with a backhoe could do that in a couple of hours, unless the entire line has deteriorated.

  8. I think the media is downright George Washington truthful compared to what is going on in the bastions of indoctrination called college campuses.

    Seen this form of tyranny lately?

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  9. Poolman has more sewer line experience than I like to think about. Cast iron, clay, precast concrete, orangeburg, abs, pvc… Been there, done that.

  10. Tex… It’s my sewer line. I already had the break located. I was able to get that done without charge. Im going to dig it myself the Amish way and fix it. Godspeed.

  11. I had been out of the US for two years before I attended grad school, and I didn’t fully realize the depravity of evil infecting academia.

    At my first departmental orientation party, after I stupidly said I was a veteran paying tuition with a version of the GI Bill, someone told me “You don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you!”

    I did well, but after a job counselor told a Navy friend and I we needed to hide our military service if we wanted good jobs, Ieft to farm. The counselor predicted affirmative action and ethnic thieves like Ward Churchill and Lizzy Warren.
    This tyranny has been with us for years.

  12. “I knew you were like that Ukrainian force I compared you to in that flash mob.”

    LOL.

    I imagine more like this:

  13. Some of those images are just too wrong.
    Older home Rabbit? Is it hub connecting cast iron or do you have some of the green PVC stuff? Its not really one person work but it is within the realm of DIY.

  14. @ the post.
    I think its good that there is someone causing folks to see the hypocrisy and ridiculousness that is the MSM. I’d love to think it could cause a higher level of civic engagement.

  15. Even the little lies are starting to piss me off. This afternoon, Jonathan Alter says Dem primaries are over June 7. Noooooo they are over June 14 with Washington DC. And no one corrected him.

    DC has more delegates at stake than 4 of the six states voting on June 7.

    Alter is not the only one bullshitting on this. I’ve heard others say the same thing.

    I can’t figure out if it’s poor quality control which pervades much of society right now or deliberate misinformation.

  16. Tigre a year or so ago I would have challenged you to a duel over the Maddow propaganda remark. But I’ve seen her lie too often to trust her anymore. Yes I still watch her intro story most nights just for the story telling alone. But I take everything she says now with a grain of salt.

    Her delight in GOP missteps and minimal coverage of Dem screw ups obviously makes her further suspect.

  17. The DNC super delegate thing is crazy shit. I could see “super” delegates up to a low % of the real delegates. I think this would actually help provide some transparency party politics sometimes needs.
    R for me you’d have to go back more than a year or so to escape a lashing for defending Maddow.
    Saw one article today that was a mash up of stories pulped into a “new” article. Anyway the piece took the obligatory hit at the snuffed Trump/Sanders debate but followed up with:

    Clinton has shown no interest in debating Sanders before the California primary

    Yeah there’s a no shit moment huh? She is so undeserving !
    Back to my dumpster. Clean out project as opposed to residence lol.

  18. Alfie, you’re right. Maddow didn’t change in the past year. I started paying better attention.

    Sanders will go down with “dignity” refusing to exploit the IG report. Probably a mistake.

    Hillary’s attitude toward Sanders “I already won, fuck off.”

  19. Rutherford, I told you after Obama’s second election victory that you and we would share more attitudes in common. It is happening.

  20. “In all honesty, Rabbit looks more like the President of Chechnya than Billy Squire.”

    I can’t believe you said that. I shit you not, my nick name at work is “Chechen Dictator”. Or the “Chechen.”

    Did I tell you that?

    My pipe is made of this shit called Orangeburg. I have a fucking cardboard sewer line.

  21. “Sanders will go down with “dignity” refusing to exploit the IG report. Probably a mistake.”

    Dignity? The guy who wants government to bloat immensely is too afraid to call out obvious corruption in government becuase he might look like a meany in front of shallow ass Millennials? Cowardice. Not Dignity. Cowardice.

    I never will get the far left. You would think the lovers of swollen Nanny would lambast examples of corruption much like the religious right throws people like Larry Craig into the political trash heap.

    But they never do.

    Seriously… The same fucks that want to siphon money from the job creaters and risk takers never fight for transparency.

    They will argue like crazy for Joe Biden’s stimulus. The minute it’s passed, they no longer give a shit about how that money is wasted. They deflect until they can find the next opportunity to redistribute wealth and grow Nanny.

  22. Not to beat a dead horse rabbit but I never heard of that stuff. There used to be some old wood mains up this way and everyone was horrified when they broke. Thing is they were at least 70 years old and woefully ignored.
    Anyway I looked at your stuff it doesn’t like being fixed

  23. My pipe is made of this shit called Orangeburg. I have a fucking cardboard sewer line.

    I’m sorry. Cardboard is about right. I am surprised there is still some of that shit out there on working homes that hasn’t been replaced. Stuff flattens out with time under normal conditions. It cannot be repaired. Replace it with PVC.

  24. Yeah… The smart thing to do is to replace the whole line with PVC.

    But that’s also the expensive thing.

    I’m going to dig out the area where the stoppage is and replace that with pvc and some facets and try to forget my sewer line is made out of cardboard due to rupture at anytime.

    If its collapsed… And I will obviously know after I fix it…im going to just have to man up and pay to have a company do it.

    Fucking Hitler. He’s the reason I have Orangeburg.

  25. Is it worth a homeowners insurance claim? Not to take away from any of your fun and exercise program…

  26. I can’t believe you said that. I shit you not, my nick name at work is “Chechen Dictator”. Or the “Chechen.”

    I saw the Chechyan president on John Oliver’s Last Week Tonight and thought “holy shit does he look a lot like the Dead Rabbit”. Kept it to myself but with the Billy Squire vid I just couldn’t resist. 😀

  27. OK I hate to stir up this shit again but I just finished a Frontline doc on the genesis of ISIL.

    Dick Cheney is a fucking war criminal and should be doing hard time. We need to do two things in short order: indict Hillary Clinton and try Dick at The Hague.

  28. “They will argue like crazy for Joe Biden’s stimulus. The minute it’s passed, they no longer give a shit about how that money is wasted. ”

    They don’t care about the money. They don’t care about the law. They don’t care about the policies.

    They only care about beating their enemy. What the wins are about is secondary to the wins, themselves.

  29. “Hillary’s attitude toward Sanders “I already won, fuck off.””

    So she is indeed continuing Obama’s policies.

    Stings a bit when it’s pointed at you, doesn’t it?

  30. And what could possibly inflame your passions and cause you to say Cheney should be tried at the Hague and doing hard time for war crimes?

  31. Dick Cheney is a fucking war criminal and should be doing hard time.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Dick Cheney. He’ll soon get to meet his Rewarder. Besides, he has a lot of company. War is a big, big business and business is booming.

  32. My pipe is made of this shit called Orangeburg. I have a fucking cardboard sewer line.

    😆 😆 Well, look at the bright side. When you get to the point of repair, all you’ll need is some good packaging tape.

  33. Tigre, I’m not gonna try to spell names right.

    The CIA told Cheney there was no connection between Al Qaida and Sadam. Cheney and Scooter (Scooter? Really? We allow anyone called Scooter anywhere near national security?) pressure CIA analysts to change their findings. Cheney wants to link al Qaida to Zakawi and in turn Zakawi to Sadam. Neither links actually exist.

    Powell is given accurate talking points to present to the UN by the CIA. CIA analysts watch Powell’s speech and are dumbfounded by the number of times Zakawi’s name is mentioned. Who interfered with the speech? Cheney.

    Cheney wanted a war with Iraq and tricked America into it. By rights Powell should be in an orange jump suit also but he plays dumb on the whole thing.

    What really burns me is that none of the participants have apologized for getting us into the worst military intervention in US history.

  34. What really burns me is that none of the participants have apologized for getting us into the worst military intervention in US history.

    Sorry, sport. First, the Iraq War was won – and no matter how fragile, there was government and there was peace in Iraq when Obama came into office. Admit it – Obama blew it. Cheney had little to do with the failures in Syria, nothing to do with the fiasco in Libya or Yemen.

    And I think you may have forgotten about a war called Vietnam…led by two Presidents named Kennedy and Johnson. Since when have Dimocrats apologized for that tragedy and when are they to be tried for war crimes at the Hague and take responsibility for the deaths of millions, including almost 60,000 Americans?

  35. The allies and North Vietnam had negotiated a temporary peace which was leading to a Korean style stalemate. Our bombing offensive had frightened the North and the prospect of another made them more cautious, though they planned another offensive in the future.

    General Giap and others credited our leftist anti- war movement for giving them hope for the future. Giap said they won the war on American college campuses.

    Nixon’s resignation and weakened Republicans were not able to stop Democrats’ stopping aid to South Vietnam, and that led to the disintigration of our ally and the deaths of many South Vietnamese who had risked their lives to help us.

    Let the Democrats appologise for expanding the war and then betraying people who had joined us to fight the communists.

  36. Let the Democrats appologize for the Slow Bleed which demonstrated their plan to sacrifice our troops and Iraqi allies on the alter of political expediency.

  37. Let the Democrats appologize for this.

    Let them appologize for inflicting such hateful people on us. People who waged such a stupid war they create even more waves of refugees in the Middle East and helped extremists spread throughout the world.

  38. Rutherford you’re getting bogged down in a partisan spin storm. It is rearing its head again in places like HuffPo and msNBC Chris Mathews and Frontline which has a definite history of assigning blame on Cheney.
    I don’t think Cheney is blameless for how things went south but he totally isn’t to blame for ISIL and he isn’t a war criminal in the sense that he supported combat operations for anything other than US hegemony.
    Critics and haters enjoy a level of honor because “news” seems to offer credible and damning information such as Halliburton profits,shifts in allies attitudes and other stuff.

  39. Back to the post itself….
    One thing that is abundantly clear this cycle is that news entities are reporting on intentionally linking negatives to Trump.
    A good example is a story in CSM that headlines and rolls out as standard GOP climate change denial dunces stuff. Specifically calling out Trump for not saying anything about climate change during his energy speech.
    The saving grace for CSM was that towards the end they further reported on how climate change is not an important issue this cycle. So the truth eventually came out,at least one of the reasons Trump didn’t talk about it is the electorate in America are not focused on it as an important issue. Jobs,general economy and national security are ranking the highest and most pressing. The media lies on these issues and the Peoples mood is a disservice to us and to their trade.

  40. Alexander Rossi, driving for the Andrettis, ran under the same fuel conservation strategy used to win for the late Dan Weldon.

    This was his first Indi 500 race, and he won, with so little fuel, his car ran out of gas before he could drive to victory lane.

  41. James, I respect your service and I regret the way arrogant asshole liberals treated you.

    That said, if your and Tex’s best answer to Cheney is “your side ain’t perfect”, that’s a dismal defense.

    To Alfie, the Frontline doc makes the case that Zakawi filled the void made by killing Sadam (in fact, our trumpeting his name to the UN elevated him from thug to major player) and in turn BagDaddy filled the void when we killed Zakawi. All the while we NEVER looked out for the welfare of the Sunni’s in Iraq leaving them disenfranchised and vulnerable to savage insurgent leaders like BagDaddy. The only exception is the Sunni awakening where we bribed them to cooperate. We filled their pocketbooks short term but never changed hearts and minds long term.

    So yes, our sorry ass state in Iraq and the emergence of ISIL can be traced back to Dick Cheney.

    Post script: Obama further fucks up the world by deposing needed leaders like Mubarek and Qadaffi.

  42. Which brings me back to my assertion from the last thread: Obama’s FP legacy is checkered at best and hard to spin into an overall positive. His domestic record fairs better and this is proven by the fact Hillary thinks she can run on it. Hillary who was SoS isn’t even running on Obama’s FP.

  43. Yes, Rutherford.

    During yellow flags, after accidents, timing is crucial. Vulnerable or slower drivers may stay out when others make pit stops to temporary advantage and improve their overall positions until faster drivers eventually pass them again. If luck and timing hold, they will still finish ahead of their positions had they not gambled.

    Rossi’s car wasn’t especially fast, but he followed instructions, and his pit crew didn’t make any terrible mistakes. Thus, with judicious use of fuel, Rossi stayed out when he was near the front with 36 laps to go. Some of the leaders were earlier taken out by accidents, so the stars were in his favor.

    Other drivers have run out of gas a lap or two before the start of she finish line. AJ Foit recalled it had happened to him.

    The number two driver, a Columbian also works for the Andrettis so it was a good day for them too.

  44. Thanks for the good thoughts, Rutherford. I had rationalized that what I saw was an aboration, but when I came home to what happened here, I felt a larger psychological blow. For the first time, I realized that most people are evil and untrustworthy.

    It was a good lesson. I am now freer and financially more comfortable than most of the leftists I met in college and elsewhere.

  45. @ Rutherford I disagree with your assessment and the whole HuffPo,Mathews,Frontline dream state.

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was not created by Cheney & Co. and was in fact a somebody who was destined for big things no matter what. His genesis precedes 2001 let alone 2003.
    You’re chewing on a leftist propaganda bone and I’m not really in the mood to pull it out of your mouth right now,especially on the weekend marking those that died in places like Fallujah. I will return.

  46. You will never believe me, Rutherford, and no one to my knowledge has made the connection.

    Our troubles began long before Cheney or Obama. Our abandoning Vietnam set off a chain of events which led to our present situation. The earlier blame rests with Ia Sen Tom Harkin and others who cut off aid. You could go back even further, I suppose.

  47. People still living and working in our government helped cause this. People who voted for them are also culpable. You should watch what desperate people did,

  48. I 30% agree about the first Gulf War. I’ve read that Bush 41 privately told Hussein “do what you want in Kuwait” and then kicked his ass when it happened. I also don’t see how it was in our direct national interest. But no country should invade another unprovoked so I give it a 30% approval rating.

    I do agree about the attack on Afghanistan post-9/11. But I wish we had bombed the real fucks, Saudi Arabia.

  49. That video, James (minus the corny music at the end) was a beautiful thing. Those soldiers couldn’t be at all sure of the intent of that helicopter. Courage from everyone involved!

  50. I’ve read that Bush 41 privately told Hussein…

    That’s like saying you’ve read somewhere the Earth is flat. Holy shit you make my head hurt sometimes.

  51. If you believe we should deport 11 million illegal immigrants and build a fence across the border and believe we should kill the families of Muslim terrorists and bring back waterboarding or worse, if you believe free trade is about applying tariffs to incoming goods and services—then I’m not your guy.”
    Libertarian Presidential Nominee Gary Johnson

    And that folks is just some of why the LP is D.O.A

  52. As far as I have discovered, lies got us into our wars and some people involved profited quite well while not getting near the line of fire. Banks financed both sides and made fortunes off of war. Banks are people, my friend. Righteous warriors, but no righteous wars. Brainwashed youth sacrificed in the name of some ideal for the profit of a few. Nothing has changed.

  53. I agree, Rutherford. The wind could have blown some of the sailors off the deck. The wife dropped her eight month old daughter and hoped sailors would catch her.

    The Libertarians have a chance in dream land which matches Danica Patrick’s odds of winning the Sprint cup.

  54. My whole sewer line needs to go.

    I was getting estimates ranging up to 20 thousand dollars. I shit you not.

    My buddy is coming through with his comerical sewer line business and replacing the whole line for 2,500 bucks. But we got to make it until Thursday.

    Between endless social events already on the calendar, weddings, sports, our jobs… my small lawn care business … Bad budgeting… No facilities at home… The stress level in my house is at a 9.

    I just got pinned down by the town parade trying to leave my house to use my brother’s bathroom a mile a way.

    And my wife just started a new project painting the exterior of our house! Why now??????????

  55. @ Rabbit: Only a 9? I’m thinking you’re approaching the Spinal Tap thing of “this one goes to eleven”
    I foresee roofing or tutoring for your buddy per man code because he’s hooking you up huge @ $2500. That’s like materials and maybe a little something for the backhoe guy. I’m happy for you,hang in there.

  56. @ Rutherford Bill Weld is not a Libertarian and a few articles I read from Libertarian sources seem to agree. I’d extend that to Johnson too.
    The LP is actually trying to just get their numbers up to the point of legitimacy and they had to go hawk two GOPers to do it. Johnson is more committed. Weld is a New England Republican with a heavy dose of reality mixed in.
    I always liked Weld his presence on the ticket does not move me though. The LP will never gain legitimacy until they eliminate their nut jobs whom appear to be closer to the majority in the Party.

  57. Materials are actually nothing when you think about it. But yeah… Equipment.

    As always with buddy jobs…. I’m nervous.

  58. If you believe we should deport 11 million illegal immigrants and build a fence across the border
    translation: I don’t want to actually obey the Constitution and use government in one of the manners the LP allegedly believes
    and believe we should kill the families of Muslim terrorists
    translation: I don’t think it right if a terrorist is sitting beside his three kidnapped wives and 6 sons named Mohammed when we send a Hellfire into the dining room
    and bring back waterboarding or worse,
    translation: My false piety & morality over torture makes me special
    if you believe free trade is about applying tariffs to incoming goods and services
    translation: protecting US citizens rights isn’t really something I think a President should do and domestically “buyer beware” is the only financial regulation needed
    —then I’m not your guy.”
    That’s right Johnson….you are not anyones “guy”.

  59. In all seriousness Rabbit other than a neighbor narcing on the main line tie in I think you should be ok. I am being as sincere as anyone on the internet can be when I say “may the force be with you”.
    If he’s a true friend perhaps he looks at this as a kind of investment since he runs a biz that I imagine your entire neighborhood will need someday.

  60. Rabbit, I will tell you something that has served me well. Older brother advice to lower the stress level, minus your wife painting the exterior. I found that funny – her timing in my wife’s timing.

    What’s the absolute worst thing that can happen? Not much if your friend does the trap properly and the sewage doesn’t start seeping into the house. If the problem were inside the house, it would scare me a hell of a lot worse. Unless MI does it a hell of a lot different than OK, this is gravity 101. Nothing mechanical but digging the hole and attaching the ends – maybe back breaking work without the proper equipment.

    I never thought I would say this, but this is one time I’m making the recommendation. Mr. Poolman could probably be a great source of information, as guys in his business have seen it all in the way of pipe.

  61. And my wife just started a new project painting the exterior of our house! Why now??????????

    Sounds like there is a lot of jostling in the den. I’m certain that doesn’t help with the psoriasis.

    Plant a port-a-potty in your driveway for a week. Probably save you a lot of angst.

    Sounds like you are getting a good deal. I don’t know the length or depth of your run and assume a 3 or 4 inch line. Hopefully the tie-in to the main is not in the street where they normally would need to dig through asphalt. The city usually frowns on doing that without involving them. All the newer areas here have utilities run toward the street, but in older areas the runs went through the backyard to an alley or easement. If your city is overstaffed and revenue starved, they will likely have people going around to see who is working without permit. You know your area better that I. We tend to see a lot of projects take place over weekend when these guys are off.

  62. Rabbit has roofing experience, so he should well get the gravity and flow part of it. None of it is under more than static pressure. The tie-ins (transitions) are the most critical and difficult aspect. He will likely be transitioning into concrete pipe on the city end, although possibly clay or cast. But how deep? With a freeze factor and slope, probably puts it down at least 6 feet.

  63. “Not much if your friend does the trap properly and the sewage doesn’t start seeping into the house”

    Yeah… It’s actually not complicated is it. I think what makes me nervous is the crew not showing up at all! Or two weeks later.

  64. “With a freeze factor and slope, probably puts it down at least 6 feet.”

    With slope, 6 feet or more. I simply can’t dig that.

    I have about 100 feet of sewer line. I have since learned the first 20 connected to the main line is newer pvc. So that leaves around 80 feet. Now, a good 30 of that is still flowing, although it’s orangeburg. And I need that gone.

    The 20 grand wasn’t an official bid. Just a tech running his mouth.

  65. I think what makes me nervous is the crew not showing up at all! Or two weeks later.

    Are you paying up front? You should hang onto at least half, if possible. Money usually makes it happen on schedule.

  66. “If he’s a true friend perhaps he looks at this as a kind of investment since he runs a biz that I imagine your entire neighborhood will need someday.”

    He doesn’t even usually do residential.

  67. Sadly you can quote almost anything when someones cellar is filling with waste. Some see a chance and take a shot. Disgusting how much evil one can find in the trades,really screws the good ones.

  68. I have since learned the first 20 connected to the main line is newer pvc.
    You’re all set then. Just make sure the in house lines are supported properly which they most likely are. You don’t want the stack to shift. That would be bad!

  69. It seems bleak, rabbit, but you will succeed in the end with some good stories.

    We have never owned a house in a city, so this is all new to me. The only thing comparable was when water pipes froze in our home in England, and it took repairmen about two weeks to fix the pipes. Running water created a real mess during that time. Locals called them the lighting patrol.

  70. $20K is not really out of line for replacing 100 feet of sewer line. If the 2500 was for 80 feet, I think I would jump on it! Especially if that is what this guy does for a living. You are probably into 4 inch and thankfully sounds like an easy transition down the line.

  71. If I even had old clay pipes or cadt iron, this would be done with. Dig once and fix.

    It’s the Orangeburg. You realky can’t tie into it without putting concrete on top. Do all that work and it breaks 4 feet down the next week. No thanks. Rinse and repeat.

    If I ever buy and old house again, the first thing I’m doing is finding out what the sewer line is made of.

    I never heard if Orangeburg and my whole neighborhood is on it!

    Home inspection never brought it up.

    Hell… My buddy who does this for a living assumed Orangeburg meant clay becuase clay pipes are usually orange in color! He didn’t even know about this shit.

  72. “You are probably into 4 inch and thankfully sounds like an easy transition down the line.”

    Its a straight shot, no concrete on top or anything.

  73. There you go. Why stress? No trees dig cut down or driveway to blow out.
    Now you’re blessed with new knowledge and direction.
    Life is good. Grab a paintbrush and a beer. But first, order up that shitter.

  74. James Rabbit Valley is fucking classic! I’m sending that to my daughter ASAP. She’ll love it.

    I didn’t know civilians could rent porta-potties but Pools got something there Rabbit. A mile to take a dump and you’ve got kids too? Get the outhouse maaaaan, get it!

    On a side note, with everyone here chiming in to help The Rabbit I guess I really do have to surrender my man-card. I know none of this. How embarrassing!

    💩💩💩

  75. Poolman the over population video is compelling but I get the queasy feeling I’m being manipulated by the numbers. Just sounds too good to be true that the entire world population could be comfortably housed in Texas with room to spare.

  76. Rutherford @ NYC density you could fit the worlds population in a space ala Texas. THEY CANNOT TRULY LIVE THOUGH. This is a space/math thing not a reality of geography,economics etc.
    The TRUTH is that without extraordinary measures huge swathes of our planet is incapable of fostering/supporting life as we “know” it. We have the proof in our everyday lives with human interaction,resources and public health

  77. Thanks Alfie. I suspected this was one of those dumb “the numbers add up so it must be so” deals which ignore all sorts of other factors such as habitable land and sufficient resources.

  78. By the way, just for the sake of answering Poolman’s question, yes I’ve been to Texas. People were so damn friendly, my jaded east coast mind was sure they “wanted something”. 😏

  79. So I just found out the Taliban leader we killed was in Pakistan.

    Could someone please tell me again why we call these motherfuckers allies? We like India, they hate India. They harbor assholes like the Taliban leader and Bin Laden. They criticize us at every turn.

    They have nukes. So what? If we wanted we could flatten them in 10 seconds.

    Maybe President Trump will tell these buttholes where to shove it.

  80. What if telling them to shove it gives them even less capabilities to do what little they are doing now?

    What if what seems like acceptance and pacification is their way of trying to keep extremists from making even larger political and influential gains in the country?

    I don’t know that either case is the reality, but when a nuclear power is teetering, do you really want to make decisions that could tip things in the wrong direction?

  81. You should, but you won’t read Betsy’s Page this morning. It applies to this post, and supports what I have already written. The anti war movement helped the North win the war. Madam Nguyen Thi Bhin thanked the anti war movement in a private letter addressed to anti- war protesters holding a reunion on May 3. She said their protests were an integral part of the Communist strategy to win the war. One such traitor is Kerry who took Hillary’s old job.

    At the time, I thought I was too classy to do more than shake Jane Fonda’s hand, but I still think I should have spat in her face as I nearly did.

    My one satisfaction is that by trying to force me out of a college career, they led me in a direction which now would let me buy and sell most of them. I am not bragging. It is about all I have to hold on to from that era.

    The article also quotes a veteran who says a reporter told him she wished she could report all of the good she had seen our troops do, but company policy was to portray the war as negatively as possible.

    As I wrote earlier, our current problems began with Vietnam, not, the Clintons, Cheney or the Bushes. I was right about our press and protesters’ perfidity, and I am right about this.

    I agree with Huck. One should be very careful.

    I have been to Texas too. Parts of the state have wide open spaces for a reason. They won’t support many more people.

  82. The video wasn’t about the ability of the land as it currently is to support the amount of people we currently have in the world on it. That was NOT the drill. It was strictly an exercise in spacial concepts. The world’s population would NOT be cramped ala NYC either. Some of you guys really miss substance when you grasp at those straws like you do…

  83. The sovereign goals of the United States and Pakistan are not in sync.
    Pakistan and Afghanistan have a better feel for the reality that is the Taliban and are in my opinion sincere about the seriousness they view the peace talks. I think the USA is disheartened by the entire concept and nature of peace talks with the Taliban and does not fully understand the probably misplaced trust the AfPak pairing put in negotiating with them.

    The fourth player in the talks is China which has clear investment goals in the area and who are becoming Pakistans new buddy in light of the US/India warming. They clearly care little of the US expenditures of blood and money and gladly tweak us here as it fits their own policy goals globally.

    Pakistan has and always will view US drone strikes (and other operations) as violations of their sovereignty. If for no other reason than domestic consumption Pakistan must take this stand. The US does not trust the Pakistanis secondary to the position the Pakistanis are in domestically and the overall history,past & present of Islamabad and the Taliban.

    Rutherford this issue is painted on a much larger canvass than many folks realize but I’m still going to side with your position.
    Afghanistan and Pakistan have different goals than the USA and I won’t discount those. They will after all have to deal with the Taliban on a daily basis at a level the US will soon no longer need to. The USA will sadly need to accept the failure of our actions and move on. In moving on we should probably reconsider our relations with AfPak. Even if there were not sore spots and friction the Chinese will beat us on deals secondary to scale and pricing. Like other countries the AfPak twins are blind to what it means to get Beijing investment.
    The US should continue to pursue better relations with India. This is no safe bet since the Indians can be pretty schizoid themselves but they do have the same concerns as many of our blossoming fans in the Pacific hence the Pivot. The Chinese are very aware of the Pivot which is why they’re deploying the New Silk Road plans I&II.
    Bottom bottomline is the USA needs to back away from AfPak and the Taliban negotiations with a curtain call of “Do what you want but never,ever,ever give us cause to return”

  84. Just sounds too good to be true that the entire world population could be comfortably housed in Texas with room to spare. Rutherford.

  85. Alfie makes good points, but “never give us cause for return” won’t happen. We have short memories and the same script.

    I’m glad Rutherford liked Rabbit Valley. We need things to lighten the mood.

  86. If it is true that Bill Kristol is drafting David French for POTUS then Kristol has no concern for country or party. He’s being too cute by half to show how clever he can be to make an obscure choice.

    As for French, I feel bad for him – the 2016 Admiral Stockdale drafted into a clusterfuck and clueless. I can see French in the debate already: “who am I?”

  87. God bless Lee Camp.

    But my new hero who helps me with my Hill-hate is internet radio host Nicole Sandler who called Rachel Maddow a “fucking shill”. I’ll probably be listening to Nicole at least until the convention.

  88. Thankfully there were no bodily fluids exchanged in that video..

    Did you see Lee’s ongoing coverage of the exit poll fraud?

  89. I am glad Rutherford is using my logic and applying it to Bill Kristol. He cares more for his ego than the welfare of the United States.

    I don’t need no stinking talk show to help me think, but hooray for Nicole Sandler if she helps you get through the night.

  90. At least he doesn’t sound like David French. Mofo never got past puberty. I have to imagine he stayed silent when confronted with the enemy in Iraq cos the minute he opened his mouth, the enemy would have laughed first and THEN killed him.

    Holy crap. Looks GOP, sounds like pajama boy. 😂😂😂😂

  91. Oh, I do so love MSNBC. The propaganda rich bullshit this morning was like the smell of napalm.

    They were actually touting the confidence and effectiveness of Obama’s garbled stupidity in Indiana. You just can’t stop all that progress he’s made with. . . whatever he thinks you will attribute to him in lieu of the trail disaster in virtually every aspect of his administration.

    “If we turn against each other based on division of race or religion. If-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okie-doke, just because, you know it-it-it. You know, it-it-it-it-it-it sounds funny or the tweets are provocative.”

    Duh.

    Why a lightening bolt doesn’t strike Obama for daring to speak of “progress” in race relations is a total fucking mystery.

  92. “Ehehehehehehehehe… Bunch of hokeydoke. Damn!!!!!!! Obama… Dat was a burrrrnnnnnnn!”

    Yeah you just know Trump got “all wee-wee’d up” over that.

  93. what the hell does “hekeydoke” mean? The interwebs says it’s a racist term for white people like “cracker.” But I’ve never heard it and I hates them hokeydoke — at least if Obama does.

    Seriously. I thought I knew urban slang. I thought he said “okey-doke” as short for “okee-dokey.”

    DR, what are the backwoods brotha’s sayin’ there in MI?

  94. Tigre, are you shitting me????

    Did the three trannies approach the little girl with menace? Not according to the article. So the mother had to answer her kids questions – welcome to fucking parenthood!!!

    Let’s be clear. I have severe scoliosis as well as other “birth defects”. My appearance scares some young children. Should I be banned from using a public restroom because I may frighten a six year old whose mother isn’t equipped to tell the kid “he’s different, nothing to fear.” ?

    Post an article about a trannie making an inappropriate approach toward a child and you’ll have my attention.

  95. LOL Ryan endorsed Trump and picked a weird week to do it with Trump U being TRUMPeted all over the airwaves.

    Speaking of … unless he’s a damn fool, Trump had fine print legal disclaimers all over the Trump U materials. If I’m right, nothingburger.

  96. “Did the three trannies approach the little girl with menace? Not according to the article. So the mother had to answer her kids questions – welcome to fucking parenthood!!!”

    Hahahahahah.

    R, you’re a damn piece of work.

    Momma from the ACLU thought it was wrong. Rutherford, purports to me male and mother to no one, says “it doesn’t matter, suck it up until a cock is shoved in your face.”

    God you’re a fool.

  97. I have severe scoliosis as well as other “birth defects”.

    Igor Rutherford? It’s not your “defects” that would scare my children and my Mrs.. It’s the way you think. You’re an Obamaruber. 🙂

    Should I be banned from using a public restroom because I may frighten a six year old whose mother isn’t equipped to tell the kid “he’s different, nothing to fear.” ?

    LOL. If I weren’t awaiting my new grandchild any day, afraid God would strike me dead right before I got there, you’ve opened yourself up to all kinds of wisecracks here. But I’m on my best behavior, trying to compensate for my multitude of sins. 😈

  98. Rutherford I do not and can’t imagine how I could ever understand your position that pre-op transgenders have a right to a shared restroom/bathing facility.
    I’m sorry but you’re retarded.
    MA has joined the circus via legislation that will likely be signed into law. I don’t look forward to it but I fully envision an assault and battery charge along with the proposed hate crime charge in my future.

  99. The past few days has lead me to believe Trump will inevitably explode at a magnitude that will not wash away. I can’t believe I have to ask Santa,the Easter Bunny and whoever else I can think of to whack Hillary.

  100. I’m gonna laugh my ass off if Bernie wins California and the Dems say the Superdelegates select HRC.
    Folks our country has become a real joke and not a funny one.

  101. Alfie, I’m the first to admit this trannie thing leaves folks uncomfortable. But you keep saying “pre-op”. No one knows pre-op or not until the stall door closes. Your distinction makes no sense in the real world.

    What is visually different between pre-op Caitlyn Jenner (a trannie) and RuPaul, a transvestite? Nothing. So how are you gonna police the difference between a man who dresses like a woman and a man who thinks he IS a woman.

    The biggest fault of the NC law is that it is unenforceable.

  102. “No one knows pre-op or not until the stall door closes. Your distinction makes no sense in the real world.”

    Gotta have cock shoved in your face or it don’t count.

    Even little girls know it’s a fucking guy. But not Rutherford. 😆

  103. Gotta have cock shoved in your face or it don’t count.

    Unfortunately, in the current climate … yes.

    Have you ever seen a trannie who really looked like a woman? I have. So what’s your new metric? If the kids trannie detector goes off, we’ve got a problem, otherwise we don’t?

    You can’t police this unless the person misbehaves and we don’t need new laws for that. It’s already covered.

  104. “The past few days has lead me to believe Trump will inevitably explode at a magnitude that will not wash away.”

    You must have seen something your boy Paul Ryan hasn’t.

  105. I knew Ryan’s endorsement was inevitable but I find his timing very strange. This has not been Trump’s best week.

    Of course Ryan made the endorsement in an op-Ed in an obscure WI paper. No presser. No standing beside Trump with fists raised.

  106. @ Tex is that the Pittsburgh connection? It is indeed. I probably will be the last to see the baby, since we are trying to extend the help for my daughter since her husband only gets a week off, and the order of importance is: (1) Mom, (2) Sis and (3) Me.

    Apparently, my duty will be to take care of the lab. 😆

  107. Rutherford, if it becomes law that a man can use the bathroom, it no longer is about the trannies that apparently fool you. (Yuck).

    You have given a green light…. An opportunity… For a million perverts.

    Yes… I said a million.

    Yes… I said opportunity.

    That’s how they roll. I have attended seminars on this put on by law enforcement when I worked juvenile corrections. You have no idea what’s out there.

    Which makes you part of the problem….. For your own daughter.

  108. In other news…. The sewer lines are back online. 2500 bucks! My neighbor paid ten grand for an easier job (I ended up having two other sewer lines I didn’t know about! ).

    The simple things in life…… Feels so good to be civilized.

  109. “Unfortunately, in the current climate … yes.”

    You’re an idiot.

    I love how you confuse perceived consensus with right.

    And in this instance, you’re wrong in both regards.

    Any idea what percentage of the population is transgendered? Go ahead. Guess.

    Then look it up and let me know why this must be accommodated for any reason other than political manipulation of the weak willed MSNBC type. . . such as yourself.

  110. Congrats on the sewer Rabbit.

    Rabbit and Tigre, all your huffing and puffing amounts to nothing. I can fully accept Rabbit’s stats and repeat what I said before:

    Law or no law, unless a man dressed as a woman engages in lewd behavior in a ladies room, there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. We already have laws that protect patrons of public bathrooms. We don’t need nor can we enforce any more of them.

    The public showers situation is a different kettle of fish. On that, I agree with Alfie: you shower with those who match how the good lord made you (UNLESS you’ve already cut off the evidence).

  111. “We already have laws that protect patrons of public bathrooms. We don’t need nor can we enforce any more of them.”

    Only a cock in your face.

    Brilliant.

  112. Good planning, Rabbit. One thing I was going to warn you about – plan on some settling for a time.

  113. LOL You’re a doofus.

    Tigre I’m guessing the laws vary by locality but please tell me … rewind six months ago before any of this trannie panic set in … what would a person have to do in a public bathroom to get arrested?

    I’ll ask a different way. A man who looks like a woman goes into the ladies room. What does he have to do to get arrested? What new law would change that?

  114. I will make a pass at your questions when you explain why you’re changing the subject.

    We were talking about whether it was right or wrong, not legal or illegal. You said little girls need to “get over it” and have no right to their natural reaction to a grown man in their intimate space. It’s not illegal to smoke cigarettes if you’re pregnant either.

    A member of the ACLU — the fucking ACLU — said that it’s a line too far. That’s how obvious this is. And you scoff because you’re can’t think past your dumb fucking politically motivate MSNBC agitator’s lines.

    Yes. I am saying your mindless. A dissembling, mindless drone.

    Now, I would assume a man entering a women’s room, particularly if occupied by little girls, would be disturbing the peace for starters. Is that not the case? There is a movement to pass legislation to remove gender restrictions on bathrooms in a number of states or require separate bathrooms. Why? I’m guessing you, being so easily lead around work through it by thinking to yourself, “because those big heartless mean hicks are trying to prevent me from sharing my wife and daughter’s bathroom with men because they’re homophobic and I’m “for people” not “against ‘people.” You, of course, can’t balance this cycle of liberal idiot’s logic against another class of people that want to protected in their private spheres: women and children that just “need to get over it” — until it comes to something other agenda that your thought leaders wish to advance through the victim/oppressor play.

    I won’t bother trying to find state specific statutes because (1) you don’t really care and won’t offer anything other than your disagreement with the law or its enforcement thus putting us back we started, as you always do, (2) you know how to use google and there are literally thousands of searchable sites, (3) the fact that you label the law unnecessary cuts both ways (if it wasn’t it is now — so what?) and therefore obviates your point.

    The fact that you “don’t get this” and have a young daughter is really sad. Really, really sad.

  115. Headline: U.S. unemployment rate fell to 4.7%, the lowest since 2007, but economy added only 38,000 jobs in May.

    😆 😆 😆 More Obama bragging points. What utter horseshit we are being fed these days…

  116. “A record 94,708,000 Americans were not in the labor force in May — 664,000 more than in April — and the labor force participation rate dropped two-tenths of a point to 62.6 percent, near its 38-year low.”

    And Obama was just out there praising himself for the awesome economy he created or “saved” depending on whom he;s talking to.

  117. Our lawyer has recent Nordic roots. One of his daughters is staying with a Sami family now. They attended one of Sofia Janok’s concerts. During the political part, she said the US Democrats are a band of criminals.

    The Swedish government is even worse.

  118. Remember 4 years ago when Obama mocked Romney’s knowledge of FP, (I think the navy in particular)?

    Well, Hillary did that on steroids yesterday. If you forget the flawed messenger and just listen, she made Trump look like a first class fool.

    On the flipside, the media keeps giving Trump advice. When has their advice worked up to now?

  119. Ahhhh Tigre.

    Everyone has a right to their feelings, six year old girls and 40 year old trannies.

    I’m not arguing about feelings. My argument is purely practical. I didn’t invent the notion of transsexualism. The medical community did. Now we must find a way to humanely deal with a condition recognized by many doctors. It’s not about perverts no matter how much you protest to the contrary.

    Lewd behavior in a public facility is illegal regardless of your “gender identification”. Enforce the current fucking laws and give the social crusade protecting your sensibilities a rest.

  120. “Remember 4 years ago when Obama mocked Romney’s knowledge of FP, (I think the navy in particular)?”

    I refering to when Obama mocked Romney on Russia or ISIS?

  121. People believe what they want to believe. Hillary may have devastated Trump, but it doesn’t matter. The San Jose riots will bury Hillary’s attacks. Trump supporters and others will focus on the violence, not Trump’s faults.

  122. “Enforce the current fucking laws and give the social crusade protecting your sensibilities a rest.”

    Child’s logic.

    It’s not even my sensibilities you criticize. The girls gotta get over it — whatever insight you claim to have on “it.”

    Are you aware that Obama has threatened to remove federal funding from schools if they don’t comply?

    Please tell us why the discomfort of a trannie outweighs everyone else that now have an invitation for trannie impersonator creeps to go into the girl’s room?

    Is it possible for you to address a point that departs from your MSNBC narratives? Ever?

    Nah. Don’t go changing. Say nothing and just keep playing stupid. Wouldn’t want you to hurt your brain — what ever little bit there is.

  123. James,
    I found that woman being mobbed very very hard to watch. The Trumpeters are not the violent ones. Holy crap do these crazed liberals feed Trump’s narrative. Disgusting.

  124. It’s not even my sensibilities you criticize.

    You’re engaging in mental masturbation. It’s totally about your sensibilities. Public restrooms have never had a “pervert detector” installed on the entrance. Pervs have always been free to go into public restrooms and cause trouble. And we have legal remedies for that if they get caught. That has not changed. Those who are afraid of getting caught, don’t do it. Those that don’t care, do. That has not changed. So all this uproar over trannies is purely based on moral pronouncements. The actual “threat level” has not changed one iota.

    Let me repeat — if a guy who still has an intact dick wants to shower next to girls because he thinks he’s a woman, I have a problem with that. In showering and locker facilities, true privacy is much harder to achieve than in a restroom.

  125. “Public restrooms have never had a “pervert detector” installed on the entrance.”

    Detector? No.

    Deterrent? Big time. Installed right on the door that says Men or Women.

    If you remove the deterrent, many more women will be victimized. I beg of you to learn how 90% of predators operate. They are creatures of convenience and circumstance and

    You don’t understand the reality of the threat. You don’t understand reality as a whole. You don’t understand the consequences. Belkyism.

    Now…. You seemingly are against men who identify as women using showers. Your logic seems to be that regular bathrooms aren’t that sensitive and private of a space. I totally disagree, but even if I did agree, do not understand the precedent you are setting? If we allow men in women’s rest rooms, men will have access to showers and locker rooms. That is a given. There will be no distinction.

  126. “Those who are afraid of getting caught, don’t do it. Those that don’t care, do. That has not changed”

    And right there we have it. Rutherford is talking out of his ass. This is not the truth. This is not how sexual predators operate.

  127. We agree, Rutherford. The Paul Wellstone memorial and the 1968 Chicago riots backfired as surely as anti- Trump riots will if they continue.

  128. Rabbit, I’m not in favor of changing signage on public restrooms. The men’s room stays the men’s room with pants on the icon. Ladies room stays ladies room with skirt on the icon. So to the extent the signage is a deterrent to pervs, I’m all for that.

    That said, if you’re a trannie and you go into the ladies room and mind your business, I have no problem with that.

    You have to understand I don’t like public restrooms PERIOD. I find them uncomfortable under current circumstances. If my bladder weren’t almost 55 years old, I would NEVER use them, trannies or no trannies.

  129. This is not how sexual predators operate.

    Explain. I have a feeling you’re going to logically trap yourself. If they don’t respond to deterrence, then the sign on the door is meaningless from the get-go.

  130. “Did the three trannies approach the little girl with menace? Not according to the article. So the mother had to answer her kids questions – welcome to fucking parenthood!!!” -Rutherford

    “You’re engaging in mental masturbation. It’s totally about your sensibilities.” – Also Rutherford

    God you’re dumb.

  131. “I have a feeling you’re going to logically trap yourself. If they don’t respond to deterrence, then the sign on the door is meaningless from the get-go.”

    Yeah. Logical trap. 😆

    You are now “protected” in the lady’s room if you’re a man and claim you identify as a woman.

    Do you need to be a “convincing woman” Rutherford? What if you’re more of a Rosie O’Donnell type trannie?

    What the fuck is the matter with you?

  132. The two comments you quoted are completely consistent. The fact you’re calling names shows you’re losing.

    Just say it: I think trannies are crazy perverts and I don’t want them anywhere near my kids. I respect your opinion as a parent even if I don’t feel the same way.

  133. By the sign on the door I meant the legal and hitherto social weight it carries.

    You keep saying “trannies”. This is really not about trannies as much as gender identification. You don’t need to dress the part, following the logic of your crazed base.

  134. This is not how sexual predators operate.

    I was taught that most sexual predators will take advantage of circumstances more then anything else.

    Even most people busted for being pedophiles. It’s not that they wake up only wanting children … It’s that childeren are the easiest and the sick fucks will take anything and everything they can get.

  135. “You have to understand I don’t like public restrooms PERIOD. I find them uncomfortable under current circumstances.”

    Why would I have to understand that? What in the fuck does that have to do with anything? And what person enjoys public bathrooms outside the sick fuck demographic?

    You know what… Do tell… What is it you don’t like about public bathrooms?

  136. “The two comments you quoted are completely consistent. The fact you’re calling names shows you’re losing.”

    Sure they are, genius.

    No need to separate genders at all. Never has been. Get over it.

    Duh.

  137. “Why would I have to understand that? What in the fuck does that have to do with anything?”

    Because Rutherford views the world through his experiences and MSNBC. So, he doesn’t know but that is his thought on it.

    Wasted breath.

  138. Seriously how is it people who belong to or otherwise support an organization whose name is The Race are to be taken seriously on their condemnation of xenophobia

  139. DR, did that dude get hit with a bag of rocks or something? Jesus.

    Safe to assume these are those dangerous tea partiers.

  140. “Safe to assume these are those dangerous tea partiers.”

    They don’t have to blame Tea Partiers, anymore. Now they just blame the boogie man, Trump. City executives watch Trump supporters being chased like animals and violently attacked by people waving Mexican flags, but somehow Trump is wrong for pointing out that some Mexicans are violent pieces of shit who we shouldn’t allow to be here. (Evidently Mexicans aren’t into safe spaces and coloring books when they get micro-aggressed.)

    Trump calls the media against him biased pieces of shit while journalists call for people to engage in violence at Trump rallies, and suddenly the so-called intelligentsia decide that publicly speaking out against journalists is a dangerous sign someone might infringe on the 1st amendment. Funny how it went unnoticed for years when Obama was threatening reporters and vilifying news agencies in public and we were screaming that he was setting a bad precedent. Naw…it was all nothingburgers just a few months ago. Just some good ol’ sharpening of elbows and bringing guns to a knife fight.

    We warned you this would happen. And we told you that you would only notice when it happened to you, instead of by you. You didn’t care. It was way too much fun watching your asshole-in-chief bring down some mic-dropping, meme-worthy snark for you to laugh about on Facebook.

    I wondered this evening that if (when) a Trump supporter gets killed at a Trump rally if anyone would have the balls to call it “terrorism”, and if they did, would Trump then be accused of inciting terrorism against his own supporters?

    I don’t recall yet hearing a voice from the left actually telling people to stop being violent. All I remember hearing is that violence is wrong–but it’s all Trump’s fault.

    I am [this close] to pulling the lever for him in Nov., because at this point that thought sickens me much less than the shit we are seeing today.

  141. And we told you that you would only notice when it happened to you, instead of by you.

    Still not happening “to me”. I’m not a Trump supporter. But I do find it damn disgusting. I’m also dumbfounded by it. I honestly don’t expect so-called libs to act this way.

    And you are 100% correct. Today Michael Steele, former RNC chief, said Trump needed to tone down his rhetoric. WTF? It’s not his people acting like animals.

    If any of you think I stand with this current crop of assholes, you’re sorely mistaken. When Rabbit leads the equal and opposite reaction, I will not be among those condemning him.

  142. I only brought up my aversion to public restrooms to say it is awkward to some degree for ALL of us. Trannies have it doubly hard.

    And no, I am NOT talking about a guy in a 3 piece suit walking into the ladies room cos he identifies as a woman. No one besides the nutty radicals are talking about that either. The issue is about people in transition from one gender to another – and cross dressing is the first step in that transition.

    Tigre and Rabbit you know damn well I’m not talking about a man dressed as a man who says he’s a woman.

  143. So I’m watching Chris Matthews and they’re blaming Trump for last night’s unrest in San Jose, citing inflammatory stuff Trump said more than SIX MONTHS AGO.

    We are in such deep shit. A flippant careless GOP nominee, a crooked likely DEM nominee and a dishonest press covering them both.

  144. “When Rabbit leads the equal and opposite reaction, I will not be among those condemning him.”

    Equal? If people like me, God forbid, are forced to lower ourselves to the level of that disgusting display by thousands of leftists in the last month alone, please, please, please understand it won’t be equal.

    You better hope the right doesn’t snap with same number of people that are on today’s violent left.

  145. The Greatest is gone.

    Ali was the only athlete I watched as a kid. His were the only boxing matches I ever watched.

    There will never be another. Now he’s up there talking trash to Cosell.

  146. I’m also dumbfounded by it. I honestly don’t expect so-called libs to act this way.

    There was some good investigative work done proving George Soros has hooligans on payroll. The Ferguson dust up and some Baltimore bs was attributed, along with protests in Ukraine. ‘Liberals’ paid to attend various events and act a certain way.

    Today protests are generally infiltrated with actors and agent provocateurs. All public protests anymore are being infiltrated and their purposes hijacked. The cops have been doing it for decades. If the main stream media frames it, it’s definitely staged and probably twisted.

  147. “The Greatest is gone.”

    Wow. RIP indeed.

    He was a true one of a kind. He could punch through seemingly unbreakable bull shit and just be down right likable…even if on paper you hated him.

  148. It’s funny. I saw this reporter tonight remembering how devastated he was when Ali lost to Spinks. I wasn’t devastated but damn I was disappointed. Until the reporter mentioned it, I forgot I had watched that fight.

  149. Pull the lever? Im [this close] to putting up a sign. I just dont want the busted window.

    Welcome to a fundamentally changed America.

  150. These Bernie goons and young Hillary stooges are comical. Stuuuupid, ugly and hapless. Reminds me of the famous Dean Wormer line, “That’s no way to go through life.”

    Rings through their nose and that filthy, multicolored hair, never a skipped dessert. Latch on to one of those nose rings with a treble hook and reel that multicolored “keeper” in for a fillet.

    It’s stupid to try and reason with these rabid animals. You got to teach them a lesson they’ll never forget. They only will understand one thing – one thing they’ve probably never experienced. Real, physical pain.

  151. Trump has gotten the most press, by far. Hillary is the second in terms of coverage. This entire campaign has been a grand MANpulation™ by the media. If the reporting wasn’t biased and the fix not in, I think we would be seeing Bernie take the oath of office this January. His supporters are the most compassionate and show up in the largest numbers.

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/06/02/tens-of-thousands-show-up-for-bernie-rallies-media-silent-because-the-fix-is-in/

  152. “Latch on to one of those nose rings with a treble hook and reel that multicolored “keeper” in for a fillet.”

    I know fresh water is at a minimum in Oklahoma, but up here in Michigan we don’t eat carp. Coyote bait.

  153. Actually, fresh water is abundant in Oklahoma and Texas is begging for it. You can’t drive 20 miles from where I live without running into a large lake. I once read Oklahoma (the east side where I live) rivals Minnesota in the number of lakes – many of them man made because there’s so damn many rivers, streams and creeks.

    I wouldn’t call that a carp – Minnesotans love carp. Hell, I even ate carp when was up there – tasted pretty good too if you could pick through the multitude of a million tiny bones. Like trout, it’s too much of a hassle.

    You’re right, however. I would call that multi-colored, blood sucking leech. No fillet – just sport fishing. Throw it up on the bank and let it flop around.

  154. Didn’t know that about Oklahoma.

    We actually plan on going to Oklahoma in the next year or so for my kids wrestling.

    I find trout to be the least hassel of all fish becuase you don’t have to filet them. Just gut, grill, pull the meat off the bones. I’m always amazed at those trout filets in the store. How do they do that?

  155. Two climate zones bisect Texas and Oklahoma. The abundance of water depends on which side you are on.

    London bobbies knew how to inflict pain on anti- war protesters. Their billie clubs hitting heads sounded like splitting ripe watermelons. They seemed to expect it.

    I like carp.

  156. Most of Bernies’ supporters are un-American socialists or parasites. They are useful now to slow Hillary, but they have shown their faces with violence toward Trump and his supporters.

  157. Both Tex and James are wrong and not paying attention.

    The California based violence is the fault of Mexican-leaning protesters. I have not seen them pledging allegiance to Sanders or Clinton. They are pro-Mexican and anti-Trump.

    I believe the phenomenon is regional. In other parts of the country agitators have infiltrated Sandernistas but I don’t believe that’s the case in CA.

  158. I think there is way too much stock being put into the obviously pro-Hillary chatter. It’s amazing so much of that chatter is coming from GOP types but that’s a story for another time.

    I found Paul Ryan’s statement to be not an endorsement but more an opening salvo in what the Speaker plans to do. Paul Ryan fully expects to run the country come January and he just believes it’ll be easier with Trump in the Oval.

    The true imperialistic fascist in 2016 is of course HRC. She will not have a mandate,is a status quo whore anyways and she has zero intention of working with the GOP. She is not her husband.

    Trump can easily chisel away at every one of Hillary’s comments but I fear he’s more inclined to go with the bluster.

  159. An interesting (I think) made by Ace of Spades (who is no Trump lover by any stretch) a couple days ago.

    Everyone saying Latinos hate Trump because of what he has said and his proposed policies. Even the ones who can vote.

    Trump points out the judge looking at his case is Mexican (heritage…which translates to…Latino) and as such, is biased against him…and everyone freaks out.

    But isn’t that EXACTLY what everyone else is saying? Latinos hate Trump. A complete generalization.

    People make assertions (which are probably true), Trump takes that assertion to the next logical step, and people lose their shit.

  160. Trump is the very definition of a rabble rouser. His nature is to provoke.

    “I have to be honest… “To be perfectly honest…

    You SHOULD know what to expect when those words proceed a point. Of course, real discernment isn’t the most outstanding characteristic among America’s voting public.

  161. Never thought of it that way Huck but you nailed it. It’s OK to say that Latinos (in general) hate Trump but not OK for Trump to say a particular Latino hates him. Some real logical dissonance there.

  162. The DePaul students in the video and all over campus are Bernie supporters. Thats not a gut feeling. I know that for a fact.

  163. Trump can easily chisel away at every one of Hillary’s comments but I fear he’s more inclined to go with the bluster.

    Unfortunately not, if you listened to Clinton’s “foreign policy speech”. She pulled a Tina Fey against him, using his exact words to mock him. He can’t chisel away at that. He’s a buffoon and so long as HRC maintains the mock, he can’t chisel away at that line of attack.

    What he CAN and must do, is chisel away at HER credibility. I think his most deadly line of attack, if he stays focused, is to repeat over and over again that she endangered national security with that e-mail server. I think that argument is a fucking nuclear bomb.

  164. If the trout is fresh and cooked just right, you can lift the entire skeleton right out of it… mmmmmmm, I love fresh trout. You can keep the carp and the tilapia too.

    When I was a kid we used a bamboo pole with line and hook baited with balled up white bread to pull tilapia out of a swamp. We then put them in the horse watering troughs to keep the algae down.

    Carp will eat anything, especially when competing with each other during a feeding frenzy. At Lake Powell we would watch them gobble up bubble gum and cigarette butts.

  165. Hillary is not formidable at all. Sadly Trump hasnt done his homework. He’ll keep going on just his gut, thinking thats all he needs.

  166. Muffy, I was talking about CA and particularly San Jose protests, not DePaul. Didn’t intend to address the wrong protest.

    But since you went there, Breitbart (for whom Milo writes) attributes the DePaul incident to Black Lives Matter, not Bernie supporters. One BLM dude yelled “feel the bern” … that does not constitute a protest by Bernie supporters. In fact, BLM has not warmed to Bernie at all.

    Also, I don’t fully get the connection between Milo Yiannopoulos and Trump but I’m researching that as we speak.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/24/milo-yiannopoulos-protesters-storm-stage-depaul-university/

  167. I think right and left need to realize that even if the leadership level doesn’t support violence etc they are certainly capable and culpable of holding the leash.

  168. I’m listening to a podcast by Milo Yiannopoulos. At first blush, he’s the reincarnation of Christopher Hitchens. He readily admits he titled a UCLA appearance “Feminism is cancer” to deliberately stir the shit so he could then have a “reasonable” debate about it.

    To the extent Milo is fighting the campus PC radicals, I’m for him. But I need to know his views better before I can say I like him.

  169. Alfie, are you saying all parties (Trump, Clinton, Sanders) are tacitly approving the violence by not speaking out against it sufficiently? I don’t necessarily disagree – just curious if I’m reading you right.

  170. Thing is Rutherford some of Trumps biggest FP points are good and realist in nature. For example all our NATO allies violate the GNP % rule. Non-proliferation is noble but unfair and misguided when extended to its logical ends. For example Japan definitely and Taiwan to a large degree are capable and at current headings possible of initiating the dominoes defense nightmare involving China. The logical extension of Clinton and Obama policy in the Middle East requires those alleged allies to pick it up. Pretty fucked up that two of the three best anti ISIL forces are Russia and Iran not Gulf alliance or Euros or Turkey.
    Trust me Trump could easily chisel,chip and eventually crush Clintons pathetic FP tirade.

  171. I like Milo but don’t follow him with any fervor. He’s kind of a one or two topic gig.

    R what I’m saying is there are degrees to which political folks own crazies and others. Nobody is really taking a stand that they disavow troublemakers and all three of them are clearly ignoring the effects they have on folks.
    They don’t necessarily deserve to be held civilly or criminally accountable but ethically Clinton,Sanders and Trump are guilty.

  172. And here, my friends is the problem in a nutshell:

    I’m looking at a video debate between Milo and a feminist at the University of Michigan. Beneath the video is the following statement:

    If you want to see more debates like this on our otherwise far-left campus, please donate to our independent, student-run paper:

    WTF? Our “otherwise far-left campus”? A college campus isn’t (or shouldn’t be) far left or far right, It should exist for the EDUCATION of the students there – not for some political slant.

    Perhaps, one cause of our jobs problem is we are churning out politically indoctrinated young adults instead of young adults capable of finding a fucking job and caring for themselves.

    I’m all for political discourse, even on a college campus. But when a student thinks his campus swings one way or the other, we’ve got a problem. College is a laboratory for ideas across the spectrum — or it should be.

  173. ” How Bernie Sanders Supporters shut down a Trump rally in Chicago” MSNBC Alex Seitz Wald

    “Outside the venue anti -Trump activists held signs supporting Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders or waved Mexican flags.”
    in San Diego. Los Angeles Times.
    Muffy, Tex, and I are not wrong.

    Not every rioter overtly supports Sanders. Some are anarchists communists or Mexican nationalists, but their agenda matches Sanders’ socialistic ideology.

    They are obviously anti -Trump, and many profess a hatred for Hillary so who is left? Sanders. By working to derail Trump and refusing to work for Hillary, they are defacto Sanders supporters whether they lay claim to the territory or not.

    The La Times reported that some were overtly Sanders boosters.

    Not only do I stand by their support for Sanders, but I maintain that they are unAmerican. Muffy, Tex, and I are right.

  174. Really they just do what they are paid to do. And then they get on the news and it gets spun out all over twitter and facebook and even here at Rutherford’s.

  175. Hillary read a speech which was an effective attack against Trump except for one thing. Her words can be used against her to describe how traits she attributed to Trump match her record.

    Trump is a hypothetical who may or may not inflict serious damage. Hillary has a record which leads from the Middle East to Europe. She is (and the administration) proven to have contributed to thousands of deaths and the dislocation of many more people while echos of her policies de stabilize a continent.

  176. I agree with you Rutherford. You know some of my experiences years ago. Not all colleges are dens of infamy. However, the poison has spread. We told our children to keep their mouths shut, earn good grades while learning and get out.

    None of us has spent a dime on our alma maters after gradation.

  177. James I’ll gladly concede some are Sanders supporters. Some are unaligned anti-Trump and some are pro-Mexican. However you slice it this cannot be summarized as violent Sandernistas. It’s more complicated than that.

    Be careful whom you call “unAmerican”. You know damn well America is a mix of capitalism and socialism. Bernie doesn’t want a socialist country. He wants a different mix which puts more responsibility on government. You’re free to disagree with his view but don’t misrepresent it.

    We have countries with socialized medicine who have capitalist economies.

  178. Adam Davidson, some NPR dweeb just said that by September Bernie will be forgotten like Ted Cruz.

    I pointed out to the asshole via Twitter that Cruz NEVER got Sanders crowds.

    His kind of attitude is why I want to see the Philly convention burn to the ground. Hillary’s supporters are almost universally arrogant pricks. This mofo basically said Hillary’s nomination and election are pre-ordained and he seems HAPPY about it.

    Asshole.

  179. London bobbies knew how to inflict pain on anti- war protesters. Their billie clubs hitting heads sounded like splitting ripe watermelons. They seemed to expect it.

    Exactly. You split that melon on a couple of these Feel the Bern heads with a good solid piece of hickory, and you’ll see a change of attitude real quick. Bust their asses up. A few bullets to the Mexican flag waving beaner chests wouldn’t be a bad idea either.

  180. I didn’t intend to give the impression that Sanders is un American. He is merely a marginal politician who capitalized on some of the anger Trump has mined.

    Many of his supporters are un American. Excluding Mexican racists, communists and other oddities, many of the, rest, according to speeches at their protests and elsewhere, support socialism and want to destroy our capitalistic system. That is contrary to the ideology of our founding fathers. We have softened hard capitalist edges with elements of socialism, but that is different from destroying the extant system.

    As we have
    seen, a minority would deny Trump supporters’ freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. They would negate our constitution without approved legislative changes. That is also unAmerican.

    They are not rioting in favor of Trump or Hillary. They are defacto supporting Sanders.

    The left once judged the entireTea Party by a few bad people or often with manufactured lies. Sarah Palin and talk show hosts were blamed for the Gabby Giffords shooting.

    Progressives taught me well. If they can generalize from a few, so can I.

  181. The mob is fickle, Rutherford. He’s probably not wrong in the greater sense.

    Does the Occupy Movement ever come up in Sanders discussions? Even though the messages (from an outside perspective) seem virtually identical, is the movement remembered?


    “Thing is Rutherford some of Trumps biggest FP points are good and realist in nature.”

    People like Rutherford, and even the dumb-ass Hillary, don’t understand things like foreign policy theories and doctrines

    “Trump could easily chisel,chip and eventually crush Clintons pathetic FP tirade.”

    He just needs to be able to properly articulate it, but at a level that idiots can understand. If he yells and screams it won’t be heard. And if it’s too subtle or complex it won’t be heard. It won’t matter if he’s right if nobody understands or listens. Just ask Mitt Romney.


    “Sadly Trump hasnt done his homework. He’ll keep going on just his gut, thinking thats all he needs.”

    Which goes against his claim that he is “going to bring in all the best people.” That needs to be done now, and he needs to show that he will listen. Because bringing in all of the best people doesn’t mean jack if their talents and opinions are not at least considered.


    “What he CAN and must do, is chisel away at HER credibility. I think his most deadly line of attack, if he stays focused, is to repeat over and over again that she endangered national security with that e-mail server. I think that argument is a fucking nuclear bomb.”

    “You’re going to talk about me and the nuclear codes? You can’t even send an email properly! Remember, Hillary, those codes aren’t activated from a Blackberry and you can’t have Huma push the button for you.”

  182. Huck I assume that last quote was “Huck as Trump”.

    People like Rutherford, and even the dumb-ass Hillary, don’t understand things like foreign policy theories and doctrines.

    I’m not sure that’s fair, at least about me. I’m the first to admit FP ain’t my strength and folks like you and Alfie are better versed in it. BUT I do understand parts of “the Trump Doctrine” if you wanna call it that and I don’t dismiss them.

    I gravitate toward the argument we’re being ripped off both in trade and military defense of our allies. I think we need a careful shakeup in both areas. I can’t swear Trump will be careful and Hillary will just be status quo.

  183. “Huck I assume that last quote was “Huck as Trump”.”

    Yeah, I thought it was pretty good 🙂

    Fair enough on the other part. But my comment stands regarding Hillary.

  184. Is the Occupy Movement remembered? Of course it is. The fake Indian bragged that she inspired it. One can’t forget something for which he/she invested so much psychic energy. They want us to forget.

  185. “Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.”

    It was better than that. It would have completely undid her entire offensive in less than 40 words.

  186. I find it odd that Bernie has become the de facto leader of the Occupy movement, a movement sorely in need of a leader, and yet almost no one connects him to it.

  187. “But since you went there, Breitbart (for whom Milo writes) attributes the DePaul incident to Black Lives Matter, not Bernie supporters.”

    Breibart who? DePaul attributes the incident to Yiannopoulos. DePaul also claims that 69% of the “protesters” were not affiliated with the school.

    No one wants to own this garbage but its Democrat party driven, these people are not “protesters, and of the DePaul student body 90% of the verbalized support for any candidate is for Bernie.

  188. Way too simplistic Alfie. The movement as it was, dead and forgotten and deservedly so … but … the movement’s basic principles are very much alive.

    Perhaps Bernie has deliberately avoided association with it because it failed so miserably?

    I’m right now noodling over a new post that asks can progressives make an organized movement outlast Bernie?

  189. I don’t accept the notion that the basic principles are alive either,or that they’ve been sitting somewhere on life support.
    The inarticulate ramblings of Sanders on the campaign trail are not to be confused with a platform of policies that enjoy feasibility and support hand in hand.

    As for Bernies default wearing of the crown or his choosing not to publicly embrace the movements ethos I think speaks more to the known inability to achieve it and that publicly he has always been a distant second to Lizzie Warren on acting on the alleged points of the OWS unwashed.

    Of note the Swiss just voted down a minimal income law. I think the Finns will follow suit if they actually commit to voting on their version. When you put things like this on paper with full disclosure people have an epiphany and say “Oh hell no”! Hopefully the people of Britain will have a similar moment on the 23rd.

  190. To illustrate a matter on the other side of the election that speaks to feasibility and support walking hand in hand. Trump & the Wall.

    Past precedent shows that Mexico reacts positively to yanqui arm twisting. Mexico is in a better position to resist these days than the past but also face more daunting challenges as well on the international front.
    Is it feasible to build a physical wall? Not really especially with a sitting government that accepts both sequestration and extending spending bills as opposed to an official budget.
    Does it have support? I’d say the government could more successfully attack illegal immigration via some increases in CBP staffing and implementing an E-Verify type of system on remittance payments and I’d say that would enjoy majority support.

    No matter how many times he says it Trump ain’t building a wall,not a physical one anyway. He will however enjoy widespread support that will only be bolstered by the oppositions actions.

  191. “Way too simplistic Alfie. The movement as it was, dead and forgotten and deservedly so … but … the movement’s basic principles are very much alive.”

    That’s not the point I was making by bringing up OWS, nor was it the point brought up about Sanders.

    Yeah, you’re right. The populist ideas both espouse are alive. But nobody remembers OWS today and nobody will remember Bernie Sanders tomorrow.

  192. Personally…. I don’t assume Trump means build a giant physical wall, although certainly walls are part of the solution.

    The executive branch needs to defend our borders and immigration needs to be legal. End of story.

  193. Rabbit, I think you have a shot, especially if you don’t plan on something like an acre or two. .

    . It depends on your average first frost date. Our sweet corn planted in late April should be ready to eat by mid July. Commercial growers make plantings well into June to extend the season to late September frosts.

    One danger would be a dry heat wave before the corn plant has developed roots deep enough to tap sufficient water. Then you would need to water once in a while.

    People grow sweet corn as far north as Winnipeg. Check maturity dates on the back of seed packets, and plant a short season variety. I would take a chance.

  194. I agree with Alfie. Finland is having such economic trouble the governments are laying off maybe five thousand teachers. Sweden, which prides itself on being Europe’s most generous country.is changing because it can’t afford its lavish welfare structure.

    Europeans are also building walls and beginning to restrict the free travel they have enjoyed.

    Its a stretch to say they are becoming more like Trump;, but they becoming a bit more conservative than our progressives.

  195. In the ground the seeds go then. And no… It’s not two acres. More like a 30 foot by 30 foot corn plot…..i.e. Half my front lawn.

  196. Well Rabbit you’re reading Trump’s mind. He has explicitly said repeatedly he will build a physical wall.

    Now the part about Mexico paying for it … he has made his argument on that more subtle. The wall gets paid for by fixing the trade imbalance.

  197. Alfie, Sanders approach may be unrealistic, or not to your liking but it’s hardly inarticulate. I don’t think he’s left any room for doubt on what he wants to do.

    On the other hand, no one can articulate what Hillary wants to do or why. She has no vision statement.

  198. There is one of two things going on. Either the Sanders crowd constitutes a movement OR he’s a touring rock star with an audience who sings along and then goes home to savor the memory.

    Is Bernie Sanders Martin Luther King Jr. or is he Bruce Springsteen?

  199. There are millions of people too young to know about the horrors of socialism. It’s not temporarily going away until a dozen Venezuelas unfold.

    The border issue will resolve itself after a major terrorist attack comes from south of the border.

    Until then, the Democrats will keep recruiting a dependent class.

  200. Bernie is a movement, but social movements are bound by the same types of physics as physical movement.

    They both require energy to keep moving. Once the primary is over, the Bern-mentum will cease, his energy will fade, and he will be forgotten. It’s nothing personal, the same will happen to all of the GOP primary losers, too.

  201. @Rutherford I think you’re missing my point about the whole hand in hand thing.Although I find Sanders rather incoherent I used inarticulate because I see glaring gaps in his policy lines. Sanders has not,and his followers don’t care about presented facts needed to make his shit come forth.
    You yourself probably are tingly about a free education for your daughter completely ignorant that the “rich” that would end up paying for it are found right here in this thread.

    Sanderism is not a movement it’s a rabble.

  202. Huck and Alfie’s arguments are why I compared Sanders to Springsteen. Martin Luther King will be an icon long after Bruce becomes a vague musical memory.

    I agree Sanders’ fans are a movement, but they are also an ignorant emotional rabble as many in the anti-war movement were and OWS proved to be.

  203. I’m not a lawyer, but the state of Iowa’s stealing some of our neighbors’ and our land when I was in college convinces me Trump might be right. That is especially so since one of Iowa’s lawyers told my father to “find a crooked lawyer who is friends with the judge.”

    Judge Curiel supposedly belongs to the La Razza Lawyer’s Association which has ties to the Council of La Raza which translates to “The Race”. One of the goals is to return land won from the Mexicans back to Mexico.
    The organizations have given money to the Clinton campaign.

    Trump may be blowing smoke to win a law suit, or he has a case.

    I think he blundered to make such charges because most of the electorate is too stupid and ignorant to see this as anything but a racist attack on a judge who was born in Indiana.

    Trump needs all of the Hispanics and non- Republicans he can get.

    This article may be the safety net he needs to avoid a crash if he backs away. I think if he has credible evidence to support his claims, he can let his lawyers handle it in court.

  204. Trump is a blowhard. He is using his massive media mouth to persuade people he is right and righteous, when the historical facts prove he is far from either. His for profit endeavors have cost many their livelihoods and left others in debt. He is always saying how principled and honest he is. Real principled and honest people don’t feel the need to tell you that in every conversation.

    But con men do, to so dupe you to their schemes. I guess we’ll all get to hear more lies about what good people these black soul psychopaths are before November when we all proceed off the cliff.

  205. And not much press about the Donald’s multibillion dollar indebtedness to Deutsche Bank, a criminal organisation and definite conflict of interest should he proceed to the wh…

    But then, what difference at this point does it matter?

  206. To be the most fair to the American people, the 2 finalists should battle it out in an arena wrestlemania style.

  207. Does anyone think there is a remote chance the Republican Party will pull the rug out from under Trump at the convention?

    His base loves him but the big shots have got to be very nervous.

  208. I love how minorities who are GOP don’t hesitate to toss “their own kind” down the river. Like a badge of honor “I’m independent from my heritage.”

    I have not decided if Alberto Gonzales is courageous or a complete asshole.

    With that said, Trump isn’t saying Curiel should not be a judge. He’s saying Curiel should not be a judge ON HIS CASE. I think there is a difference.

    P.S. How many times have liberals screamed foul at all white juries convicting blacks? The hypocrisy here abounds.

  209. I agree, Rutherford. Do you remember when Justice Sotameyer sp called herself a wise Latina who could bring a new prospective to the court? The implication was a different heritage would influence court decisions independent of law interpretation.
    Trump could claim equivalency for the judge’s ruling in his lawsuit.

    Maybe Gonzales is a victim of Immigrant Syndrome.

  210. Rabbit, did you really watch all 11 minutes of that nonsense? Life is too short dude.

    On another note, a podcaster with whom The Rabbit is familiar, Dan Carlin (who does Hardcore History and another called Common Sense) put out a podcast yesterday with a simple but frightening premise. What happens to the country when we simply stop liking each other?

    In the 1860’s we were divided over slavery layered on top of states rights. The issues were fairly specific and finite.

    Now, we are divided over a multitude of issues. There are a good number of people in this country who simply don’t like (dare I say hate) other people in this country. No, I’m not talking unidirectional bigotry. I’m talking hate going back and forth. When a couple no longer even likes each other, they divorce. How does this country initiate a divorce? Can it be done peacefully? Can the different factions patch things up?

    The impending election will not improve the situation. For the first time in my life I truly envision the possibility of either presidential victor being assassinated in office. We’ve gone off the rails.

  211. “Now, we are divided over a multitude of issues. There are a good number of people in this country who simply don’t like (dare I say hate) other people in this country. No, I’m not talking unidirectional bigotry. I’m talking hate going back and forth.”

    But Obama doesn’t want you to stop all of the progress.

    His political derives from division and animosity.

    Fuck him.

  212. So Buzzfeed joins the Clinton campaign ,unofficially that is. They have decreed they will not contract with RNC for ads.their reasoning is that they don’t advertise cigarettes because the are harmful and so is Trump. The expansion of their reasoning is shallow and pathetic.
    Misinformation and disinformation are rampant this cycle sadly it is predominantly aimed at an asshole who doesn’t know what to do.

  213. I know I watch too much politics but I think we are in a clusterfuck of grand dimensions.

    Pools posted “the revolution will not be televised”. You know why? Because the MSM hasn’t a clue what is going on in America.

    Nicolle Wallace is saying Trump was nominated in spite of his bigotry. NO NO NO NO NO!!! Whether you call them bigots/racists or the fed up silent majority, they clap when Trump says the “Mexican judge” has it out for him. They love his “bigotry”.

    Trump is saying what millions of Americans say around the kitchen table. The kumbaya version of America is being blown to bits.

    When disgruntled whites like Rabbit and Tex, who are tired of being blamed for everything wrong with this country make Trump the next POTUS, MAYBE then the media will wake the fuck up and see what this country has come to.

  214. Sorry about that shit video. I meant to play a ten second snippet of it. Life is indeed to short for such shit.

  215. Tigre, MOST political power derives from division. Hell, the entire two party system is us against them.

    If making Obama the skapegoat helps you sleep at night, more power to you. This ain’t a partisan thing.

  216. “Tigre, MOST political power derives from division. Hell, the entire two party system is us against them.”

    Sorry. You’re wrong. The level of racial division emanating from the WH is unprecedented. If it makes you feel better to think otherwise. Well, you do anyway. I’ve never known you to not play along. We get it already. You’re just saying what has been said here for years.

    The “you can’t be a racist of your [protected minority]” and “you can’t not be racist if you’re white” has reached its limits.

    We’re talking about deep social divisions. Not parties or clashing ideologies. We’re talking about comeuppance and gimme what you got and. . . shut up. You didn’t earn that.

    It is very much a partisan thing. You’re the biggest sucka out there.

  217. MAYBE then the media will wake the fuck up and see what this country has come to.

    After all they have done to put us to sleep? Not gonna happen. You have them confused with what in another era was known as the fourth estate and considered a check on power. That has since eroded even as media ownership reduced from hundreds to 6 corporates, and they being part of the elite, the globalists that select our leaders.

    That is why we need to quit allowing them to lead us. They are as relevant as you make them. Unfortunately the majority of Americans are screen addicts. Lazy too. It’s also easier if someone else does the thinking.

  218. We’re talking about deep social divisions. Not parties or clashing ideologies. … It is very much a partisan thing.

    As you often do, you just contradicted yourself.

  219. I owe you guys a huge sincere thank you.

    Against the backdrop of listening to you guys for the past 9 years I am laughing my ass off tonight at MSNBC.

    Trump says those who call him racist are themselves racist for calling him racist and the lib pundits heads are exploding. I’ve heard Trumps argument from you guys for 9 years and it falls so naturally on my ears that I now at least partly get it. But the teevee folks don’t get it.

    The Wall Street Journal just about nailed it when they said Trump was falling into the LIBERAL habit of attributing everything to race.

    LOL Best way to attack Trump: say he’s acting like a liberal. 😂😂😂

  220. “LOL Best way to attack Trump: say he’s acting like a liberal.”

    Little Marco already tried that. It didn’t work.

  221. So I tweeted this earlier tonight and then heard Monica Crowley say the same thing on Hannity (yes, I watched Hannity). By Tigre’s assessment that makes me a mindless Fox drone. LOL

  222. I’m off to Montreal via car….road trip!
    Rutherford I just have to say I am happy you are enjoying your lesson on the MSM bias we’ve all tried to tell you about.
    I disagree with your race equivalency retort regard Trump,judges and blacks. Trump U was a scam albeit a legal one. The judge in question clearly has grounds that by law he should have recused himself. It is not so much that the judge has a certain ancestry it is all about a level of questionable conflict of interest and political agenda. A white judge on a black defendant isn’t the same kettle of fish.

  223. “Its the economy, stupid”

    “Its a questionable conflict of interest stupid”.

    Our stupidity is sickening.

  224. “If she gets indicted before the convention we could see a Dewey Defeats Truman repeat.”

    And Obama indict hinself? Never gonna happen.

  225. Morning Joe opened with a 20 minute segment on Trump the bigot and not a peep about Hillary’s historic win called by NBC itself last night.

    I have no idea how to read that editorial decision.

  226. Alfie, if Trump were smart he would talk about EVIDENCE that Curiel has a political axe to grind. Some of Trump’s surrogates are doing it but not Trump.

    My point is much simpler and is an acknowledgment of what has driven Tigre crazy with me the past 9 years. This Trump/judge brouhaha proves one thing: the media believes only whites can be racist. That’s a problem.

    The hypocrisy and double talk is incredible. Only black cops can police a black neighborhood fairly? Well the same logic says only a white judge can judge Trump fairly. You can’t have it both ways.

  227. Real journalism left the building soon after 911. Here is some good investigative journalism by one who has been hard at it since. This is an hour and forty minutes of presentation, so of course most people here at the bar will blow it off. That, and considering the topic and the fact that I am providing the link. But it is fascinating and needs to be broadcast. Actually it’s therapeutic in many ways. Solving 911 ends the war on terror.

  228. The Canadians are giving up on the Keystone Pipeline. Opponents argued that the pipeline would enable oil companies to hurt the environment with more oil.

    The company now plans a pipeline to New Brunswick which will let them send the oil to Europe.

    My wife saw the article and said “Stupid SOB’s”

  229. I have to admit I find it quite satisfying to see the left scream about media bias, rigged elections, and the connections between the two.

    (Yes, I am very well aware of the actual message of this song)

  230. Thanks, Huck. I haven’t heard that song in a long time, and I like it, including the message.

    Here is another with an imoral message.

  231. I don’t know about Tom Cotton but I would not be surprised to see Trump dumped in Cleveland.

    I think behind the scenes, on the down low, tons of pressure will be brought to bear on Paul Ryan. I think he could kill HRC in a face off.

  232. On the one hand, if I was Trump, I wouldn’t want some judge who is part of an organization that has ties to La Raza. And it does, contrary to the MSM lies.

    On the other hand, I really don’t give a shit about Trump’s rip off infomercial classes and the baggage that comes with it.

    God help us.

  233. Us and Them
    And after all we’re only ordinary men
    Me, and you
    God only knows it’s not what we would choose to do
    Forward he cried from the rear
    and the front rank died
    And the General sat, as the lines on the map
    moved from side to side
    Black and Blue
    And who knows which is which and who is who
    Up and Down
    And in the end it’s only round and round and round
    Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words
    the poster bearer cried
    Listen son, said the man with the gun
    There’s room for you inside

  234. Holy shit, Bernie got fucking annihilated in Cali.

    I didn’t expect him to win, but i didn’t expect him to get slaughtered, either.

  235. I really can’t live in a Hillary America. I can medicate through a Trump one but seriously I can’t abide by a country that puts HER in the Oval.

  236. And Obama indict hinself? Never gonna happen.

    I don’t know why you keep saying this. HRC was an “employee” of Obama. The boss doesn’t get punished, The employee does.

    The problem isn’t about his taking blame. The problem is purely political at this point. If he endorses her for POTUS (as is expected later this week or next at the latest) he has now endorsed someone potentially under indictment. If she does get indicted, it makes his endorsement problematic.

    My best guess is Hillary will get some sort of formal reprimand short of actually being indicted for anything.

  237. On the one hand, if I was Trump, I wouldn’t want some judge who is part of an organization that has ties to La Raza. And it does, contrary to the MSM lies.

    Unless you’ve got hard evidence to the contrary there is no lying going on — and there doesn’t need to be. Curiel belongs to a legal organization with La Raza in the title. They are NOT affiliated with the La Raza that we are all familiar with,. The reason the media doesn’t need to lie about it is simple — the legal fraternity that Curiel belongs to is activist all on its own — it doesn’t need ties to La Raza. It’s a problem in and of itself.

    On the flipside, I heard that Curiel has prosecuted Mexican drug cartels at risk to his own personal safety. So he’s no fan of Mexican criminals.

    All that said, as I stated earlier in the thread, I think Donald has grounds to request recusal. His attorneys have not asked Curiel to recuse himself. Until they do, Donald is making a public ass of himself.

  238. Bernie busted his ass for weeks in CA against a fucking liar and lost in double digits. As I said in my Twitter stream, I’m waiting until the July convention and if this travesty comes to pass, I’m formally cutting ties with the Democratic party.

  239. “HRC was an “employee” of Obama. The boss doesn’t get punished, The employee does.”

    I am 100% sure Obama was aware of the server and knowingly emailed her stuff that was classified. Guilty.

  240. Rabbit, I’m talking about a formal relationship. So La Raza Lawyers has a link to La Raza on their web site. That doesn’t mean any organizational connection. One is not an offshoot of the other.

    Hell, I think I have a link to Alfie’s blog on my web site and I don’t even agree with all that Alfie says.

  241. Ok Rabbit, you MAY have a point. If an employer knowingly lets an employee break the law, directly related to their job, the employer is probably liable.

    I wonder what Clarence Tigre Darrow thinks.

    Hey Tigre, are you out there?

  242. No.

    And whatever you say is wrong. Always.

    p.s. truth is, you are wrong and even more so in your analogies that don’t relate to the actual standards governing disqualifications, such as the appearance of partiality or impropriety standards that govern judicial disqualification).

    p.p.s. as for Obama, I think his office’s lack of knowledge is pretty hard to believe, and willful blindness is the tactic most employed to sell “non-involvement” a/k/a nothingburger. BTW, she is not just an “employee;” she’s the fucking secretary of state. Come on.

  243. Obama is the commander in chief. He can’t know everything, but it is all his ultimate responsibility. I would agree with Tigre that he should know about Hillary’s careless failures, but this is the same man who was probably cowering under his bed during the Benghazi attacks.

    He was too busy golfing and planing vacations to pay attention to mundane features of his job. Thus deniability.

  244. If Trump was a Black Lives Matter leader involved in a lawsuit in which the Judge was part of an Soutern Protestant Lawyers organization that had an “affiliates” page with only 5 links, one of them being the KKK, you would be screaming foul….like Trump.

  245. Rabbit, if you’re selling a connect the dots approach, sure, I’m buying. I just differ with your suggestion the two organizations are officially related.

  246. Tigre, try again. Your answer was damn near unintelligible.

    1. Does Trump have any leg to stand on re Curiel?
    2. I know she’s Secretary of State, doofus. The question is what criminal liability does Obama have for the illegal acts of a cabinet member? I thought the employer/employee analogy might apply.

    Maybe in plain English you can take another stab at an opinion.

  247. “Rabbit, if you’re selling a connect the dots approach, sure, I’m buying. I just differ with your suggestion the two organizations are officially related.”

    I actually have no idea if they are. And that’s the thing. Either do you.

  248. When I was in the service, we were taught that we were responsible for everything our subordinates did whether we knew about it or not.

    If those rules apply up the chain of command, they should lead to Obama whether he knew what was happening or not. Obama took credit for almost personally killing Osama bin Ladin, so he shares the blame for mistakes at and leading up to Benghazi.

    Officers were subject to criminal liability. The lofty perch on top of the chain of command offers protection and deniability unavailable to the lower ranks.

    I think Obama is as criminally liable as a young lieutenant, but nothing will happen to him. El Tigre will probably rip my comment to shreds because he knows far more than I do about legality. I am merely extrapulating from what I was taught and what I saw.

  249. My point isn’t that Trump is right.

    Hell, I think he is dumb as hell running his mouth about a lawsuit involving that traveling circus of a business he runs.

    But the MSM knows damn well his comments aren’t outrageous.

    We are witnessing a cold war. Can America stop the fascist left which wants to monopolize and militarize speech?

    The left is at a cross roads because of Trump. Can they completely control the narrative and destroy people’s lives who fight back? Can they defeat Trump.

    If the American peiple reject Trump because of reason, much like Tex… No harm no foul.

    But if the left takes him out with the fascist cry-bully thing… That could be all she wrote.

  250. Rabbit, from Reuters:

    Trump and some of his supporters have pointed to the judge’s membership in La Raza Lawyers of San Diego, a local group for Hispanic lawyers that is affiliated with the Hispanic National Bar Association.

    Some Trump supporters have incorrectly linked La Raza Lawyers to the National Council of La Raza, a 50-year-old civil rights group that has been strongly critical of Trump’s proposals on immigration, as well as his idea to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States.

    Take it or leave it.

  251. I didn’t incorrectly link anything. I showed you THE LINK. THE. LINK.

    Out of the 5 billion websites to link, they link to La Raza. And they only have 5 links. Listed under a titled called “affiliates and links”.

  252. From Coulter’s article:

    Has anyone ever complained about the ethnicity of white judges or white juries? I’ve done some research and it turns out … THAT’S ALL WE’VE HEARD FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS.

    This is precisely what I’ve been saying. The double standard is mind numbing.

  253. Don’t let it numb your mind. Let it electrify it.

    Why do you think this happening? And has been happening????????

  254. Rabbit I repeat, a link doesn’t mean organizational connection.

    Read the Reuters excerpt I posted. The two organizations are not related.

    And as I said before, San Diego La Raza Lawyers doesn’t need the association to still be of great concern to Trump. As Coulter said, they are politically active.

  255. Why do you think this happening? And has been happening????????

    All I can say is, for anyone willing to listen and keep their eyes open, Trump is pulling the blanket off rank hypocrisy. Notice the right is also running around with their hair on fire. It’s not just the left.

  256. “Rabbit I repeat, a link doesn’t mean organizational connection.”

    There doesn’t gave to be be an. organizational connection. We are talking about a state of mind.

    If I come out with a public blog and link 3 or 4 white-power websites… I’m fucking fired! Doesn’t matter if I don’t know one member.

  257. “Trump is pulling the blanket off rank hypocrisy. Notice the right is also running around with their hair on fire. It’s not just the left.”

    What is your interpretation of what the right is doing?

  258. My previous question was for Rutherford.

    Also @R – if Hillary Clinton is nominated you’re formally cutting ties with the Democrat party?

  259. Re: Obama’s Sargent Schultz routine –

    Whenever someone claims they had no knowledge of something – I think its important to take note of what they said or did when they supposedly learned of it.

    Obama covered for Hillary.

    The mountains of dirt these people have on each other is the glue that holds the Dem leadership together.

  260. Rutherford you are prepared for Bernie to fall in line behind Hillary, I hope.

    DWS may not even have to fall on her sword in trade for Bernie’s soul but she would do it if they asked her to. Theyd just promote her after the election (like they dud Susan Rice).

  261. Jesus you insufferable twit. You can’t even follow your own comments or DR’s.

    Curiel? As I fucking said, the standards for disqualifications of a judge can be “the appearance of bias or partiality.” But I repeat myself. Whether it’s sufficient here is something I don’t know because I am not following the “links” or his rulings which might evidence bias (of course neither are you). The rest of my comment would simply mirror what DR and others are saying. Trump was a fool for the comments from a political standpoint. Whether he has a “leg to stand on” would only be known if his lawyers made arguments for disqualification which I don’t think they have. If there is nothing to the La Razza connection as a matter of fact might be irrelevant if it “appears to impact his duty impartiality” because it undermines confidence in the judicial system. Got that? It’s an ethical duty not to do shit that gives the “appearance” of bias or impropriety not that the judge is, in fact, biased or even wrongly accused of bias. Sorry this is so hard for you to follow.

    Obama versus Clinton. “Criminal liability” for the criminal acts of others, generally “no” unless there’s a duty imposed under a criminal statute to monitor or control that wasn’t adhered to. For example, an accountant or corporate officer might have an independent duty to verify information before reporting it to the IRS, SEC or shareholders etc. The fact that they were delivered false info in such a case might not shield them for breaching their duty to verify before reporting, i.e. “willful blindness” of the underlying facts.

    From a “civil” standpoint, which is where you started, there is a doctrine known as “respondeat superior” that could cause an “employer” to be liable for the tortious conduct of an “employee” acting within the scope of their job duties. For example, the driver delivery truck that causes an accident, or a bartender that serves too much to someone before the climb into their car and kill someone (known as dram shop laws), or negligent hiring of someone that poses a risk to others (like a pedophile daycare worker) etc.

    Of course, the reason you have trouble with what I wrote is because you confuse concepts and are too stubborn to consider that before lashing out because no one else is playing along.

    In an effort for this doofus to try address the actual point being made by DR, I assume that if Obama knew or should’ve known that his secretary of state was using an insecure system and nevertheless jeopardizing national security by personally (or through his subordinates) communicating with her on that insecure system he too could be guilty of. . . you got it. . . failing to protect classified information. The difficulty is in proving it, particularly given executive privileges that would prevent disclosure of information that might prove it. But that doesn’t mean it didn’t occur. And, of course, Obama’s direct involvement is the point DR was making — something you evidently are incapable of accepting regardless of its probability.

    I’m sure this is too many words for you instead of too few now so you’ll claim I just confused you on purpose or something, as usual.

  262. So now boys who identify as girls are competing in girls school sports and beating out girls for spots in competition.

    And this is protected by Obama’s new interpretation of Title IX…which was originally meant to give equality to girls who were having to compete with boys in school sports.

  263. Yep. As stated by Ace, “a reminder that we are a dimorphic species and this fact matters in certain areas of life.” Obviously, it’s important that we deny this to suppress bigotry and ensure “fairness.”

  264. Of course, the reason you have trouble with what I wrote is because you confuse concepts and are too stubborn to consider that before lashing out because no one else is playing along.

    Nooooo. I had trouble because the first thing you wrote was incoherent gobbledygook dedicated more to snark than communication.

    Thank you for giving it another try. I read your novella and I think I get it.

    Salient points: Trump’s lawyers are within rights to ask Curiel to recuse himself because he has not avoided the appearance of partiality.

    Obama could be subject to impeachment for knowingly allowing a cabinet member to endanger national security.

    Wow, I got that done in two short paragraphs. 😊

  265. What is your interpretation of what the right is doing?
    Also @R – if Hillary Clinton is nominated you’re formally cutting ties with the Democrat party?

    Paul Ryan saying Trump is expressing “textbook racism” and Mark Kirk of Illinois withdrawing his endorsement are two examples of the right’s reaction. In fact, one conservative pundit said the right is now playing identity politics usually associated with the left.

    Yes, if Hillary is nominated I will self identify henceforth as an independent.

  266. “Nooooo. I had trouble because the first thing you wrote was incoherent gobbledygook dedicated more to snark than communication.”

    Nooooo. The first thing I wrote was dedicated “entirely” to snark ’cause I have a sense of humor.

    Subject to impeachment. Were you talking about something else, Wrongway? DR was talking about what might be exposed, not the penalty. He was also talking about direct (or close enough to count as direct) involvement in Hillary’s malfeasance. You, as always, were claiming nothingburgers and dissembling ala The Great Bathroom debate.

    I see MSNBC is talking about Hillary’s Great Historic Moment. Here we go again.

  267. <

    “Paul Ryan saying Trump is expressing “textbook racism” and Mark Kirk of Illinois withdrawing his endorsement are two examples of the right’s reaction. In fact, one conservative pundit said the right is now playing identity politics usually associated with the left.”

    You said “Trump is pulling the blanket off rank hypocrisy. Notice the right is also running around with their hair on fire. It’s not just the left.”

    How do you connect Ryan’s remarks or anyone withdrawing support for Trump with “rank hypocrisy” or with your subsequent characterization (quoting a pundit) of the right’s reaction as “identity politics?”

  268. The transgender arguement features a man or woman trying to escape the body of the opposite sex.

    I think Rutherford suffers from political dissance. A study in 2012 claimed that conservatives tended to be tough minded and authoritarians while liberals were more tolerant and wanted to get along with others.

    The authors now say the study was miss- reported, and the reverse is actually true.

    I think Rutherford is the political equivalent of psychological transgender. He is a conservative escaping a liberal thought pattern.

  269. As Huck wrote, we told you so. Its a pity the liberals have fled this site so we could gloat in front of them too. Cowards.

  270. “I think Rutherford is the political equivalent of psychological transgender. He is a conservative escaping a liberal thought pattern.”

    LOL.

  271. “Yes, if Hillary is nominated I will self identify henceforth as an independent.”

    That’s all well and good but changing how you see yourself is not “formally cutting ties” any more than a dude who has not formally cut ties with his erectile organ belongs in the ladies’ room. But thanks for clarifying.

  272. Oh, I can’t wait to start calling Rutherford a misogynist. . . and racist as he and his idiot teevee friends did to anyone that didn’t support that Lion African ad nauseum in 2008. Especially now that he has waged a war on women in their restrooms.

  273. Come on rutherford. Where are you while I am playing the cheap game associated with the left of pathologizing my political opponents?

    Has the worm turned you sexist fuck?

  274. About the Clinton U situation, I saw that a few days ago and could have sworn I mentioned it here or on Twitter. Now I can’t find it.

    I think it’s hilarious. Trump U vs Clinton U. Which is the biggest scam?

  275. Hmmmm. Clinton U was about peddling Hillary’s influence as SOS for gajillions.

    Trump was just a regular old infomercial level scam.

  276. How do you connect Ryan’s remarks or anyone withdrawing support for Trump with “rank hypocrisy” or with your subsequent characterization (quoting a pundit) of the right’s reaction as “identity politics?”

    I’m not sure if you want clarity or an argument so I’ll tread lightly.

    Trump has exposed liberal hypocrisy (or double standard) regarding the notion that only whites can be racist.

    The extent to which the Republicans are playing the left’s game is evidenced by Ryan, Kirk, etal.

    Some folks, like Ann Coulter, are being honest about it. Simply put, if whites can be assumed to be biased against minorities then it only follows minorities can be assumed to be biased against whites.

  277. No argument from me on the two U’s Tigre.

    And fwiw, I don’t have tons of sympathy for those scammed by Trump U. If everyone in commerce who over promised and under delivered was a crook, the jails would be way more overcrowded than they currently are.

  278. Oh for fuck’s sake. Your shameless fuck, King Obama, under whom Loretta Lynch works, placing the country’s interests ahead of his own again. 🙄 Who would’ve guessed.

  279. Hey Rutherford, what more evidence do you need to figure out that Obama, your party and your beloved media outlets think you’re a fucking retard?

    I hope you find this galling.

    Enjoy.

  280. Rutherford, the rush is to get Bernie out as fast as possible so that the entire party can focus on Trump and to give his supporters time to get over the butthurt and get re-energized around the person that was once the enemy. By the end of next week the entire party will have fallen into line, including Bernie.

    Obama’s endorsement signals the official end of any hope she will be indicted, regardless of the FBI’s recommendations.

  281. “Obama’s endorsement signals the official end of any hope she will be indicted, regardless of the FBI’s recommendations.”

    It ends any hope there’ll be an FBI referral. It would be suicide at this point.

    Hope & Change!

    Again, I hope you find it galling. Really galling.

  282. “She would never intentionally put America in any kind of jeopardy,” he said. “What I also know is that there’s classified and then there’s classified. There’s stuff that is really top secret top secret, and then there’s stuff that is being presented to the president, the secretary of state, you may not want going out over the wire.” – Obama

    Abd then… On the day the corrupt fuck endorses her, there are leaks that the FBI is investigating emails giving away drone strikes????????

    This might be the start if alot a leaks and eventual resignations.

  283. Remind me again what good or noble purpose is it that government serves?

    Here in America the biggest and most famous of criminals get the greatest of rewards and awarded the highest places of honor and prestige. These are who we protect and uphold. It kind of upends what they’ve told us all along. It was never true, however, and yet now there is no concealing it. They don’t even try anymore.

  284. I just went back and watched as much as I could stomach of Obama’s ’09 inaugural speech. Surreal. A masterful piece of bullshit performed before the world.

  285. All my heroes are folding like a deck of cards.

    Heroes. Idols. Cartoons. What difference does it make? You are looking for a god among men. You need to go over these mere mortals’ heads. You need someone who is timeless yet has stood the test of time. Controversial yes, but unwavering.

    Jesus Christ. The same yesterday, today, forever.

  286. I’ve come to the conclusion that 2016 will be a win for me. I figure HRC can’t survive more than a year into office and Warren will die at Hills funeral and then we’ll have President Paul Ryan. I’m good with that.Serenity Now!

  287. Here is a huge thank you for keeping this blog alive, Rutherford. I like knowing this group. I don’t get much pleasure in watching your dreams and assumptions die, except for the satisfaction that we are right.

    The survey showing 47 % of the people who answered say they would have a problem finding an extra $400.00 to cope with an emergency is satisfying as is the study showing Obama Care is creating more part time workers. I assume many of those people voted for Democrats and will again. They are being punished and are too ignorant to realize it.

    I still think Trump could win, though the chances are slim. That shock might give Hillary a stroke.

  288. Tried to watch that video R. 2 minutes, too painful. Reminds me of the canned MSNBC schtick used by every single fucking host you adore for their profound insights. The smug, sarcastic, observational-humor-style presentation. I guess it never gets tired for you guys.

    I hope whatever he said was profound or insightful if it impacts the left. But it would be first.

  289. I need to get out of the prediction game. We are living in an upside down world.

    I doubt Booker because he’s a Wall Street stooge and HRC needs to pretend to be progressive. (I personally like Booker but that’s irrelevant).

    I used to doubt Warren because I just don’t think the country wants a double shot of estrogen. But now I’m not so sure. Liz may be the Bernie proxy that HRC needs. Plus she’s an off the leash attack dog. Where Hillary says we need bridges not walls, Liz says Donald is an asshole. No political posturing. Just very convincing disgust. I can hear Liz now “I didn’t attend your fucking wedding.” Hillary did.

  290. Brief Twitter rant:

    If I explicitly ask you to retweet my tweet, why would you “like” the tweet and not then retweet it? If you don’t retweet, then you obviously didn’t like the tweet. If you liked the tweet you would have followed the fucking instructions in the tweet.

    These are voters. Sheeeeeeut. 😡😡😡

  291. Trump has lost me (not that he ever really had me). Not because I buy into the false piety of the folks slugging him on the Judge thing but because he is a failure at managing the message properly. He really only has one setting and its bluster. I also believe he has lost the VP guy that was going to get me to vote for him.

  292. Not for nothing but Gordie Howe died and Keith Olbermann is as a rule a dick but he did a piece on Howe and its pretty good. Can I watch it in the USA? NO! But I can’t swing a dead cat without hitting some bullshit on Ali the over rated pos. Hell I even earned another Obama Pail supporting Baracks choice of attending his daughters graduation over Ali’s false funeral.

  293. Hillary met with Lizzie for 4 hours today in private and neither had any comment for reporters afterward.

    Everything about this week regarding Hillary has been rushed, and I have already laid out why. This will be no exception.

    It’s coming soon. Everything needs to be in place before FBI people start resigning and leaking information.

  294. ” I don’t know when these things will all become clear, because I am being overtaken by the fear.” Lilly Allen.

    All of us at some level sense lurking unease or fear.

    I am voting for Trump because Hillary’s mismanagement is a certainty. I may reconsider if searchers find Grandma hidden in the freezer.

  295. California officials say there are still 2.5 million votes to count.

    Did Hillary win the state by more than that?

  296. So this USA Today reporter goes on Bloomberg tv today and says Trump has a business record to judge but Hillary doesn’t. Has he heard of the Clinton Foundation?

  297. Huck I’m not sure but Berners on Twitter are insisting he may have won California. I don’t think we may ever know the truth after the Obama endorsement.

    Meanwhile, on Twitter I’m trying to spark a hashtag campaign to boycott the DC vote next Tuesday. If the vote doesn’t matter, why should they vote? It’s a farce. No one is biting. 😟

    Tigre, the video you couldn’t get through contended that voter fraud abounds in the Dem primary. I get that Lee Camp is not everyone’s cup of tea. Then again, if you can watch the insufferable Bill Whittle, you can watch Lee Camp.

  298. California’s euthanasia law goes into effect tomorrow (I think). I don’t really have a position on this and if I did, it would probably be on the side of in favor of.

    But when thinking about this the other day something crossed my mind…

    How is it that terminally ill people can be given an alternative that allows them a quick, painless death, but death row inmates aren’t being killed because they can’t be given a quick, painless death?

  299. How is it that terminally ill people can be given an alternative that allows them a quick, painless death, but death row inmates aren’t being killed because they can’t be given a quick, painless death?

    Because the Leftist do gooders and the inane imbeciles who believe it inhumane to not preserve a mass murderer have pressured the manufacturers into not supplying the compound to prisons through judicial shenanigans.

    A Veterinarian could surely administer a quick, painless death, though. It’s a screwed up country we live anymore.

  300. Huck the answer is both the terminally ill and the convict share something – basic humanity. In society’s view, both deserve death without suffering.

    For the record, I’m basically against euthanasia and the death penalty.

  301. “In society’s view, both deserve death without suffering.”

    I’m fine with that, but you’re missing the point.

    In California, people sentenced to death are not being executed because we are told the method of execution is not quick and painless.

    But terminally ill people are allowed to terminate their own life with a quick, painless death.

    Why are we able to sanction and deliver 1, but not the other?

    “Because the Leftist do gooders and the inane imbeciles who believe it inhumane to not preserve a mass murderer have pressured the manufacturers into not supplying the compound to prisons through judicial shenanigans.”

    So is it a matter of different substances being used (or not as the case may be) in euthanasia and execution?

  302. Not so much a matter of different substances as a matter of pharma companies taking a political stand that they will no longer allow their drugs to be “misused”.

  303. My father did not want to die yet. He wanted to see our children’s birthdays one more time, and he wanted to see the end of harvest.

    It was June, and he was in the hospital. For an unknown reason, he could no longer swallow well, and he continued to get aspiration pneumonia which progressively damaged his lungs.

    The doctors suggested with holding food and water to let my father slip away. He was 94 and had had a good life. The doctor expected me to understand and accept his point of view.

    One would put down a dog to end its misery, but they were prepared to let my father die of starvation or water deprivation. I told the doctor that our conversation had never happened should he tell the police.

    My plan was to come in with a hidden pistol, say goodbye to my father and blow him away. I think I could have done it without my father’s seeing the weapon. The doctor suddenly decided a feeding tube would work, and it let my father live to see his two grand children’s birthdays.

    Too many supporters of state or medical supported murder are like Pontius Pilot. They don’t want the responsibility. Let someone else do it or let it happen naturally. They wash their hands of it.

  304. “How is it that terminally ill people can be given an alternative that allows them a quick, painless death, but death row inmates aren’t being killed because they can’t be given a quick, painless death?”

    The 8th Amendment.

    One is being imposed by the state, the other is not.

    I assume a terminally ill patent could choose a slow painful death, or at least imperfect death, if they wanted.

  305. So is it a matter of different substances being used (or not as the case may be) in euthanasia and execution?

    Executions of humans are a combination of drugs that stop the heart. That is basically what they do to our pets too – but with the pets, they administer one massive dosage of anesthesia and the animal is generally dead before the syringe empty.

    Frankly, it is stupid the way we execute people – it would be more humane to treat human executions the way we treat our animals.

    In my opinion, we ought to bring back Old Sparky.

  306. I think the biggest thing on the differences between lethal injection choices is based in speed & the false humane schtick. When you whack the terminally ill they are usually “drifted away” secondary to doses of opioids,bento’s & their base state. Inmates are taking the “express bus” and there’s the rub. To be “humane” folks introduce a neuromuscular blocking agent. This is primarily designed to make the injected look calm as the two other drugs go to work. Ironically vets find the neuromuscular things inhumane and most states outlaw the use of them.
    You wanna whack murderers etc you need to get over the speed thing and just dope the fuck out of them before you hit them with the killshot. All of the drugs capable of doing this can be made in USA,I have no idea how we became dependent on European companies.

  307. Maybe I ought to get some capital investments and start pumping out FDA approved agents. All of these drugs are past their protected time and their generics can be made by anyone. I have no qualms about being connected to something that kills. Fuck for a couple of gift cards I’ll travel around and administer them too.

  308. Be nice to see state governments that want to retain capital punishment exercise their powers to screw the pharmaceuticals. This is an area I very much differ from the conservatives here. I don’t mind using state power to regulate,assist or crush private entities. I see no reason why US domestic policy cannot be exercised in the same manner as our foreign policy.

  309. This all reminds of the (troubling) hilarity of Obama’s “you didn’t build that” and now Pelosi’s “the government created the iPhone” bullshit. The government produces almost nothing. PRivate industry produces “for the government” — including all of that military stuff (like GPS) that Obama and the moronic left think was created “by the government.”

    But we’ll give Obama credit and never forget the internet as invented by Gore.

  310. Governments have no problem killing us slowly in oh so many ways, it does seem silly when it comes to convicted killers, lethal injections, and death row.

    Not so much a matter of different substances as a matter of pharma companies taking a political stand that they will no longer allow their drugs to be “misused”.

    That made me laugh out loud. As if they really care more about people than their bottom line. I think all they care is that their products are used and sold at the greatest profit. You do realize that people cannot sue them directly due to government protections put into place, right? Protection like the vaccine court that was established in 1988 that awards families compensation for death and damage due to pharma’s drug cocktail concoctions that have become mandatory for most. It also limits the amount that can be awarded per incident and requires those compensated to keep that information to themselves.

    http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/statisticsreport.pdf

    Our system has been designed to protect elite criminals and murderers, even allowing them to profit from their crimes while punishing the poor for their unfortunate fate.

  311. I don’t mind using state power to regulate,assist or crush private entities.

    Yes, we know. Storm trooper-like. Maybe one of the few things you have actually made clear here. And probably why you are mostly wrong when it comes to finding fault and deriving solutions.

  312. First,foremost and always pools go fuck yourself.
    Government is a fact of societal life since anarchy isn’t an answer and going back in time to the communal village god model is also a no go. Society needs to be very clear on who and how government exists. It is why I get so upset when people vote for the wrong people.
    As for solutions I am always on the lookout for them,have written on them and am real world involved in some so again GO FUCK YOURSELF.
    Society chooses,and always has in America,what private sector entities thrive or die and they have done it through government more often than pure capitalism. I never said they always choose well.

  313. Your government already does such a thorough job of fucking us all. The main difference between us is you like it.

  314. “Society chooses,and always has in America,what private sector entities thrive or die and they have done it through government more often than pure capitalism.”

    No disagreement here.

    “I never said they always choose well.”

    Then what is your point? They almost never do. Solyndra?

  315. ET I was referring to the voters not always choosing well but you make the good point that bureaucracy often fucks up too.

    Let me explain parts of my position.
    The airlines are an especially egregious bunch of fucks. Capitalism has allowed for four airlines to control the industry. THEY HAVE NO MOTIVATION OR DESIRE to look out for the consumer. The consumer wearing their voter hat should push for protections. Those same folks should also keep that hat on and eliminate the TSA.

    Healthcare secondary to capitalism and in no small part secondary to government interference with ObamaCare have allowed 3-4 companies to own a majority of providers and to control a majority share of insurance provision. The voter allowed this to happen and it’s looking like no matter how much they complain as consumers they have no inclination to stop it as voters.
    Choice to a large degree is kind of an illusion. Where there are monopolies it’s an impossibility.

    I’ve written and stood elsewhere for some points that might illustrate my point further. I am a vocal proponent for charter schools. I am also a proponent for the limited privatization of the traditional public school model. I believe society needs to stand up for an educated and prepared populace and they need to be willing to pay for it through taxation.
    I am a huge fan of PPP’s (public private partnerships) and I think they need to be embraced in a big way to solve America’s infrastructure ills. Some examples include:Detroit should’ve taken the free bridge from Canada. In MA the bankrupt public transit entity,the MBTA,should be PPP’ed like London’s rail system. I think chunks of the highway system should face PPP or collective bargaining agreements that set strict terms and time limits regards tolling and/or bonds.

    Bottomline you either believe in a degree of regulation or you don’t. Capitalism without regulation is a proven disaster for consumers. Over regulation is an equally disastrous scenario,the secret is balance.

  316. I’ve always thought the Jacobins were right about the guillotine. If I had to choose my exection I’d go with that.

  317. Alfie, I don’t see how it is that you “very much differ from the conservatives here.”

    Airlines. Since the FAA regulates all manner of supplying the service, it was certainly never a truly capitalistic model nor could it be. Capitalism didn’t led to the quasi monopoly of four airlines, however, it certainly did lead to the transport of us common folks t base fares. The voter has little control of bureaucratic structures. It’s why I rail over the bullshit global warming co2 endangerment finding that versts unreviewable control of emissions in the EPA.

    Healthcare. Same thing. BTW, “the voters” in effect did try to block Obamacare. Brown? But I get your point. We have ignorant masses. Shit. Some are still stupid enough to call it a success. But there again, I understood your prior point to be the exact opposite when you said “I don’t mind using state power to regulate,assist or crush private entities.” With Obamacare we’re talking about literally a government created sub economy. Your statement sure read like a justification for that.

    Charter schools are, of course, a half measure. I am a proponent of them too. But in my ‘hood, it is jihad waged by the public school system against them. It is ultimately a battle over tax dollars. The results sure make the public system look pretty bad here (not hard), but DR says the enclave style in MI is a pitiful example.

    Anyway, I don’t see where you differ from anyone here. No one I’ve read advocates zero regulation.

    However, Rutherford seems to be the only one that will repeat the litany of bullshit that from the power mongers that government is responsible for creating everything and the logical fallacy that to prefer free market capitalism ahead of government sponsored/regulated or exercise of the rule of law to “crush them” approaches, I guess we do depart.

  318. Try that last one again:

    However, Rutherford seems to be the only one that will repeat the litany of bullshit from the power mongers that government is responsible for creating everything, and the logical fallacy that to prefer free market capitalism ahead of government sponsored/regulated or exercise of the rule of law to “crush them” is thes same as advocating “unfettered capitalism” (his term — whatever that means beyond the most simplistic). To the extent that you adopt that rationale, which you don;t seem to, we do depart.

  319. It should be obvious the marriage between corporations and government has been the reason we all find ourselves in such deep shit today. It has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism and everything to do with greed and evil. The vehicle is not the driver.

    http://geke.us/VennDiagrams.html

    It’s who you associate with and how that association affects the rest of creation. No adult human has a right to dominate another adult human. It always goes back to the ageless golden rule. The reason we have problems is because some think they are more deserving than others and they are willing to take what they want by force or deception. That isn’t survival, it is domination. If you tell me that is human nature, I will say that is what we are tasked to overcome if we expect deliverance from ourselves and acceptance into paradise.

  320. I’ve provided topics I feel fall under constructive and generally positive. Let me provide one of the destructive ones.
    In context of the thread I think if a number of states who want to use (meaning the citizenry) FDA approved medications for lethal injection executions and are prohibited secondary to private companies those states should be allowed to enact punitive taxation and blacklisting upon the companies.(again if the citizens say YES)

  321. Why? Why not? Since my caveat is and always will be The People have the right I just don’t accept an organized corporatist front preventing The People from carrying out the rule of law. What the drug companies did is out of line.
    Here’s a present day thing. The phone companies refused to act on the scam callers. The feds held a competition for a private company to come up with a solution. Three companies won and one has been tapped by all the phone companies & this embrace was required. Customers can choose to use the service. The service costs nobody a thing. That’s innovation,good governance and epiphany from the reluctant.

  322. What confuses me about Alfie’s post is where and why he draws a line. Why is it ok for state government to crush private industry if it sees fit to but not the fed? Is this part of the states rights argument?

  323. Regarding Carlin:
    I used to be a big fan but it recent years I’ve soured. Here’s why:

    You see that standing room only audience? That was a free rally right? No. It wasn’t. Each one of them left that concert at least $30.00 poorer while Carlin left the arena with their money. If they paid for a standup comic, I’d say bravo. But they paid to be told how THE MAN is fucking them over by one of the dudes doing the fucking.

    Carlin bitched about the evil government and then went home to his mansion. If he wanted to entertain, he shoulda told jokes, not give lectures. If he wanted to spread the word, he should have done it for free.

    P.S. Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine is in a super group called Prophets of Rage. They’re mission driven. They’re going on tour. They’re deliberately keeping ticket prices affordable.

  324. Since my caveat is and always will be The People have the right I just don’t accept an organized corporatist front preventing The People from carrying out the rule of law.

    To quote your man Romney, “corporations are people”. 😊

  325. Speaking of Tom Morello, one thing I think we can all agree on is anarchists are children.

    Bill Maher basically asked Morello if he was an anarchist and Morello basically said yes. I shook my head in dismay.

  326. I can’t think of an example on the federal level. People and companies that deal with the feds do so under the contract bidding model to a level of near exclusivity.
    Not that bidding doesn’t exist on the state level I just don’t agree that the companies,in this case drug manufacturers, can pick and choose who gets open market items. If the only way Drug Co. A sold thiopental was via a closed market I’d say the government can’t touch them,force them or punish them. The thing is the company will let hospitals kill grannie,he vet and government to kill my dog but won’t let me kill triple murder,rape &sodomy boy with it. Fuck that! On the open market you take my money and I do whatever I want with it,those are the rules.

  327. “corporations are people”
    That’s true BUT when the majority of We the People say corporation A’s voice isn’t going to be louder than ours or more important— guess what?

    Do I really suck so bad at communicating that folks aren’t getting this? I’m not looking for agreement just understanding.

  328. At the risk of getting this off your main point, Alfie, the entire objection to Romney’s comment at the time was the belief that ipso facto Corporation A’s voice is ALWAYS louder than We the People.

  329. You see that standing room only audience? That was a free rally right? No. It wasn’t. Each one of them left that concert at least $30.00 poorer while Carlin left the arena with their money. If they paid for a standup comic, I’d say bravo. But they paid to be told how THE MAN is fucking them over by one of the dudes doing the fucking.

    They paid to see Carlin. They didn’t get fucked by him. They may not have understood the message or taken it in the way it was intended, but they didn’t get fucked. Besides, performers don’t get the entire ticket take. There are plenty of others that get a piece of that pie. Did the hall donate their space? What about the ushers and security, the promoter, stage hands, lighting and sound technicians? A silly notion that it should be free. Hell your next leader will have received tens of thousands for speaking to goldmans sach for pete’s sake.

    Just because Carlin was cynical, doesn’t mean he wasn’t telling the truth. Just because he was labeled a comedian, doesn’t mean whatever he speaks is supposed to be funny. If he can bend your ear, he’s responsible for what he fills it with. You are tasked to sort it out.

    You tell me what platform is available to speak truth from today? We know it ain’t at the presidential level. The teevee and print media doesn’t provide it anymore. You glean truth from Jon Stewart and John Oliver, why not honor one speaking from the past, one they have undoubtedly learned from?

  330. Poolman I get your point. As I said, I was a Carlin fan and his message is 99% on point. He could have solved my issue with one simple disclaimer ”I’m rich because I’m able to play the game fairly well but I know it’s a game and I feel obligated to let you in on the rules.”

    Where Carlin and I part ways is his “we” with no caveats. What’s this we shit? Admit at the outset you’re closer to them than I am and then we can have an honest conversation.

    By the way, this article should appeal to you Poolman. Forget Vermin Supreme and go with Jill Stein.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/green-partys-jill-stein-on-why-bernie-sanders-should-go-third-party-20160531

  331. “Why? Why not?”

    Because you’re talking about command production and it’s not wartime. It’s a seizure. We respect property rights. If the government requires production that the private sector can’t or won’t the solution should be for the “government” to undertake the production rather than seize private industry’s resources to accomplish it’s goals.

    ’cause this isn’t Nazi germany or Fascist Italy.

    ‘Cause we live in fucking ‘Murica.

    Seriously. When the fuck did a forced production become your thing, and unregulated markets as the alternative become “the conservatives around here?” I am truly perplexed.

  332. “The feds held a competition for a private company to come up with a solution. Three companies won and one has been tapped by all the phone companies & this embrace was required. Customers can choose to use the service. The service costs nobody a thing. That’s innovation,good governance and epiphany from the reluctant.”

    That’s an arm’s-length transaction. A bid to develop/purchase with a profit motive is a far cry from “make it or go out of business or to jail.” Indeed, you’ve given an example of the very definition of capitalism.

  333. “Carlin bitched about the evil government and then went home to his mansion. If he wanted to entertain, he shoulda told jokes, not give lectures. If he wanted to spread the word, he should have done it for free.”

    Yeah, like lecturing about a compassionate society and a benevolent government but doing nothing charitable on a personal level, right? 🙄

  334. Seriously. When the fuck did a forced production become your thing, and unregulated markets as the alternative become “the conservatives around here?” I am truly perplexed.

    I’m chuckling at this exchange for two reasons. I was surprised to see Alfie advocating for the state to strong arm private enterprise. And I’m equally amused by “Capitalist uber alles” Tigre on the one hand rejecting Alfie’s premise and on the other hand being offended at being characterized as a regulation hating corporate whore.

    This is just too good. 😂😂

  335. “Do I really suck so bad at communicating that folks aren’t getting this? I’m not looking for agreement just understanding.”

    I hope it’s your communication. I find your rationale absurd.

    Now, it would help, and I’ve asked multiple times, who and what is it that you’re disagreeing with here by way of “resident conservatives?” If you’re not just stroking yourself to appear “above it, an example of some kind would help me immeasurably.

  336. Yeah, like lecturing about a compassionate society and a benevolent government but doing nothing charitable on a personal level, right? 🙄

    If that was intended as a personal jab, I don’t expect you to PAY for my lectures. 😎

  337. “And I’m equally amused by “Capitalist uber alles” Tigre on the one hand rejecting Alfie’s premise and on the other hand being offended at being characterized as a regulation hating corporate whore.”

    Holy fuck. You complete Rutherford You really do.

    If you read what I wrote, you’d see that you just made my point, you beautiful bastard. 😆

    I love you man.

  338. “If that was intended as a personal jab, I don’t expect you to PAY for my lectures.”

    And Carlin didn’t expect the government to PAY for his performance, dimwit.

    Again, you complete me.

  339. Alfie, if I ignore some of your examples, I could agree if the government, through regulation or enforcement of IP rights/territories grants a monopoly (or quasi monopoly) that protects the corporate market, I agree on a theoretical level that there are circumstances where conditions can be imposed to maintain those protections as the quid pro quo.

    Stated differently, if it granteth, it can taketh away.

    However, pharmaceutical protections are not in the act of manufacturing per se, but rather the individual product (patent).

  340. However, pharmaceutical protections are not in the act of manufacturing per se, but rather the individual product (patent).

    Huh? How is Pfizer refusing to sell drugs for the purpose of murder got anything to do with patent or manufacturing for that matter. It’s really a matter of marketing.

    Hey, here’s a fun analogy. Since the flower shop lady can refuse to sell the homo flowers for his gay wedding, Pfizer can refuse to sell its drugs to the government for state sponsored murder. Right?

  341. “The democratic establishment has signed up for a steady drip of acid rain coming down on them for the indefinite future” .

    ABC ran with this story on a weekend. So shocked.

  342. If Trump can stay on message, Rabbit, these headlines can remain front and center. It’s a big if.

    Supposedly he has a big anti-Hillary speech planned for Monday.

  343. “Huh? How is Pfizer refusing to sell drugs for the purpose of murder got anything to do with patent or manufacturing for that matter. It’s really a matter of marketing.”

    That’s my point, dumbass.

    With the phone service where there are limited (and in the old days exclusive) providers, the barrier to the market (for products like robocalls) was established by the monopoly, forced compliance is rational. The quid pro quo.

    With the airlines? Same thing. There are limited providers because of the regulation.

    With Pfizer, there is no barrier to the number of manufacturers, just the product.

    As Alfie said, “All of these drugs are past their protected time and their generics can be made by anyone.” However, if Pfizer was the ONLY one with the ability to manufacture the product because of regulation that’d be different, now wouldn’t it? Otherwise, anyone, including the government or Alfie should go fucking make it or purchase it from those that can and will. Why should the government be allowed to commandeer resources?

    This isn’t hard if you actually read, something you never seem inclined to do.

    “Hey, here’s a fun analogy. Since the flower shop lady can refuse to sell the homo flowers for his gay wedding, Pfizer can refuse to sell its drugs to the government for state sponsored murder. Right?”

    Here’s a better analogy, the florist should not only be required to sell flowers to gay couples for their weddings, she should be required to purchase and stock certain kinds of flowers favored at gay weddings, right? And the jewish caterer should be required to serve pork, right? Shit. Maybe the jewish caterer should be required to deliver special flowers to the gay weddings too since, you know, he’ll have to be there anyway.

    Your inability to follow along. . . completes me. It really does.

  344. It’s official. I joined James and the Poolman today. I’m a Grandpa!!!! 🙂

    Seems hard to believe my wife and have been married long enough to say that. Mother and daughter are doing well.

    Life is good. :mrgreen:

  345. ET you’re extending things in areas.
    First off I’m not suggesting Pfizer is to give things away. I’m saying they shouldn’t be allowed to hold out on entity A for reason B but sell to C to do whatever with it. That’s bullshit especially seeing in many cases entity A &C are the government!

    Airline deregulation lead to first fantastic savings for the consumer and growth for airlines. As it continued to roll along it created the anti-consumer monopoly shit storm we have now and is in fact preventing start-ups from doing the competition thing as well as preventing others from entering the market.

  346. Alfie, forcing production and sale or being crushed is a taking. I don’t get the A,B and C you’re referring to. If C is being sold the murder drugs (something I didn’t devine from the article or what we were discussing), C can in turn sell to D (the government). What am I missing? Is Pfizer (or whomever) selling murder drugs to someone just not a particular state or something? That’s not what I understood. The question arose as to why they needed to be purchased from European suppliers. And hell, you were using the example of the bidding for the phone service/product that led to its production and implementation, not an example where the product is sold to certain purchasers and not others. Produce and supply because you can or be “crushed” is what I understood you were saying.

    I am aware of airline deregulation and its effects on fares. That’s why I said it was an aspect that I liked. The barrier to market entry for competitors in the airline industry that leads to consumer abuses, however, I believe is mighty dependent on securing routes and the panoply of regulatory restriction that ultimately keep those with a desire to enter the market from doing so. At least that’s what I understand based on the difference in budget airline models in Europe compared to the US. So, we are in agreement on your airline point when it comes to abusive consumer practices. A captive consumer will suffer and redress should and usually must come from the government.

  347. Congratulations, Tex! Our grand daughter celebrated her third birthday with the family on Thursday, and the big one with relatives, neighbors and friends today. The other grand parents have been here this week so we have been on vacation. We drove down and back.

    You will be good grand parents.

  348. Tex, did you get a grandson to mix things up, or another girl in the line of quality lineage you and your Old Lady have passed along?

  349. The death blow to Gawker makes Peter Thiel my hero du jour.

    Revenge is a dish best served cold. Good for him.

  350. At first I was thinking “how fragile a company must be for one lawsuit to take it out” but I just read on Bloomberg that the bankruptcy is just a ploy to avoid payment (or at least delay it).

  351. I’ll have to read the Bloomberg article. Although it would delay enforcement of the judgement, a judgment creditor doesn’t “lose” because of a bankruptcy filing. Moreover, collection can’t proceed until a final, binding, non appealable judgment is rendered (i.e. while appeal is pending). The legal term is “supersedeas” — unless a superseadeas bond for the judgment is requested, granted, entered and not posted.

    But I’ll look for the Bloomberg article for the reasoning. It would probably only be delay. Since the liability was for intentional misconduct, I believe the judgment is nondischargeable in bankruptcy. And the big risk is that Gawker loses alot of control of its defense of the claims.

  352. This song reminds me of our current society as a whole, and also our little microcosm of it here. Where, in both cases, we talk past each other and never seem to get what the other is saying. And don’t really display any genuine interest to do so.

    It’s also a badass display of vocal talent by a metal-as-fuck singer.

  353. That guy actually has a really interesting story (I think anyway). He is very Jewish and attended private Jewish schools and did a lot of Torah studies during his primary years in the US and Israel. He is extremely intelligent and has multiple college degrees. He considered becoming a lawyer, but decided he was uncomfortable with making money by essentially lying for people and defending wrongdoings (that isn’t my interpretation of those who practice law, it’s his). He also has professional experience in health care administration, and is married to a WWE wrestling chick. My son says they sound the same live as they do on record. And if you doubt the closing of my previous post, here’s a sample.

    If you pay attention to a lot of their lyrics (which I have), you can hear a lot of Zionist (in the frame of Jewish Nationalism, not religious) themes. He’s a very complex guy in a very complex band.

  354. It grows on you, Huck. I especially like the singer’s history.

    The Swedish reporter and the singer are soul siblings in my opinion. She is a Swedish nationalist who believes unregulated immigration will destroy Europe.

  355. Well, it seems the MSM is willing to report that the shooter in Orlando was probably an islamist. Is that because it was a gay bar? Does the identity of the victim control this? I don’t believe if it was a police station or an army base or a marathon they’d come out and say “islamist” from the outset. Why must it be like this with the left? The truth always tilted to fit their imagery.

  356. Themes of the Day:

    (1) LGBT targeted followed by
    (2) Greater need for Gun Control followed by
    (3) Concerns over Muslim backlash

    Predictable as the sun setting this evening…by tomorrow morning, the discussion will include the improved chance of a Trump Presidency and Mufti Obama offering moral equivalencies of the Crusades.

  357. Actually calling out the islamist factor against gays is out of character for the dummies who try to rationalize PC politics and multiculturalism. This is a real rubber meets the road kind of thing and I think folks will try to spin this towards the alleged intolerance of the right. Its crazy.

  358. @ET thanks but I’m forced to score this as a massive communication failure.

    I support government taking both positive and negative actions against offshoring. I prefer the positive being the reduction of corporate tax rate. A relevant example being that Hospira should’ve been prevented from setting up the dominoes it did. Although I agree some component of the federal government should be pursuing licensing of some other entity to domestically produce Thiopental one cannot allow corporate greed to endanger lives or prevent the voter sanctioned actions of government. Thiopental is internationally recognized as an Essential Drug and because of Hospice/Pfizer US surgical procedures let alone executions are negatively impacted.
    Force shouldn’t be needed but if folks choose that path I have no problem asserting it and in answer to an earlier question that is clearly where I differ from the conservatives here.

  359. “This is a real rubber meets the road kind of thing and I think folks will try to spin this towards the alleged intolerance of the right. Its crazy.”

    As I said, the leftist gimmick of pathologizing their political opponents is as predictable as the sun rising and setting.

    Cue R telling us the right does it too, none founded on the robotic MSM response to virtually every fucking major event.

  360. CBS has been straightforward with the possibility that this was an ISIS inspired attack. Someone interviewed on ABC said several factors imply a terrorist attack. One is the Muslim hatred for gay people. That’s something you don’t hear every day.

    I’d like to think that this is when rubber meets the road, but time will tell. Obama’s speech will be interesting, of course.

  361. Hanna the reporter asked at the end of her story, “Are we raised now not to dare to say obvious facts? If so what does that imply for our society?”

    This, I think, is our new reality.

  362. R, the Bloomberg piece doesn’t really say anything. It’s an effort to sensationalize (in a very minor way) the unremarkable. Other than a dilatory tactic, the only benefit to Gawker that I see is the orderly liquidation of its assets to satisfy the judgment rather than through a fire sale (as would happen if its assets were seized and sold at auction) as for Denton, the article suggests he’s he’s looking for a way to avoid the personal judgment against him by bootstrapping the discharge of debt to the corporate Chapter 11 filing. I don’t know enough about bankruptcy to know what the merits of that effort, but I kind of doubt it will change the result fro Denton or the company if the verdict sticks.

    That is my nearly worthless take on it.

  363. And now this:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/santa-monica-police-arrest-man-901887

    R, since you’re of “that” ilk, do you think that target being gay Americans will change the response from the left and MSM? I say American gays because they are one of the latest vaunted classes. In other words, do you think the response will be nearly identical on the left and the right or will it be the right’s intolerance at play again?

    As a related aside, do you like Tom Petty?

  364. This is obviously an early Xmas present for Donald Trump.

    The press asking if this is a hate crime is absurd. ALL terrorist attacks are hate crimes.

    The motherfucker identified himself as an ISIS sympathizer. It’s terrorist, period.

    Fucking imam takes the mic and never mentions radical Islam. He takes the “mass shooting route”. THAT’s part of the problem. Imams should be screaming “these are nutty Muslims. We don’t condone this.”

    Yes a wild brew for ultra conservatives. They hate the killer but they also hate the fags he killed. What a quandary!!!

    Yes, I’m a big fan of Tom Petty (and the Heartbreakers).

  365. Ha. I guess you answered my question without answering it.

    I’ll check on MSNBC to see how they approach this quandary for and on behalf of the self-subjugating left.

    I wonder if Palin can be blamed. . .

  366. Donald is gloating about being “right”. Wow are we circling the drain.

  367. Tigre, I said ultra-conservative for a reason. I’m talking the far right wing; no one on this blog.

    You know damn well if Jerry Falwell were alive today he’d call this tragedy a message from God about the scourge of homosexuality.

    As for Omar I haven’t the foggiest whether he was targeting gays or picked a random spot.

    Unless imams are going to publicly condemn this as radical Islam, they need to STFU.

  368. I wasn’t asking about Ommar. I was asking about the reaction to the shooting.

    Again, you answered without answering.

  369. It will be interesting to see if the gay community which skews left starts denouncing radical Islam. Up until now I’ve perceived a cognitive dissonance among gays who ignore islam’s piss poor treatment of gays.

  370. LOL. Imams? How about your own fucking charlatan president.

    Trump also said this, and I trust you would agree:

  371. “It will be interesting to see if the gay community which skews left starts denouncing radical Islam.”

    How about the non-gay left skewing community?

    What quandary, huh?

  372. What are they saying, R? I really don’t know. I’m guessing you’ve seen something to suggest that the religious right is cheering gay fags. Do I have to google it or is that your prediction?

    I of course was talking about the left and the MSM (but I repeat myself).

    Will this be another gun control issue?

  373. Yes, I agree Obama needs to name the enemy. The resignation part, oh well that’s typical Donald.

    Watching Meet the Press and when Hugh Hewitt calls out ISIS ultimate destructive goals, Joy Reid counters with white nationalists.

    LOL Tigre turn off the TV and step away. Your head will explode.

  374. R, I haven’t had the teevee on in days. All I heard came from the intertubes.

    I can’t wait for MSNBC’s take. I’m assuming you’re already going for it with the “ultra-conservative” irrelevancy.

  375. “Get off your high horse. Some on the right are as vile as the liberal establishment you despise.”

    There’s a difference here, comrade. I am not a member of the vile right. However, you are a member of the vile left. Hence, my question to you.

  376. “Yes a wild brew for ultra conservatives. They hate the killer but they also hate the fags he killed. What a quandary!!!”

    Dumb fuck, the quandary is on the left. Not ultra left. Just the left.

    Like women, gay people are horribly victimized by Islam the world over. Thrown off of roof tops.

    And the left claims to be defenders of all things queer.

    Yet, people like Obama don’t even dare utter the name of the evil.

    So… There you are talking about the ultra right and quandaries. Clueless about the real quandary. And…. As usual… Off.

  377. “Are we raised now not to say obvious facts? What does that say about our society?” Hanna Lindholm.

    I repeat her quote because she describes what brought us here. The liberal media, entertainment, and education industries are teaching us be believe lies to be the truth. We ignore “obvious facts.”

    Maybe our attitude toward fundamentalist Muslims, illegals, and socialism could not have prevented this and other attacks, but it certainly increased the odds.

    Even now our leader is unable to face the truth. If he could, he would portray the shooting as a domestic attack by Christians against gays and use the bodies as fodder for more gun control laws. Too bad. Even some “obvious facts” were too blatant for him to hide.

    Yes, some right wingers are dispicable too, but they don’t own the pulpit.

    I’m not holding my breath Tigre, but this attack brings us closer to a revolution. Hanna is a Trump like nationalist with more credibility. The Brits may leave the EU, and the reverberation may take it down. Unless our progressive leaders change their ways, I think they will face more trouble than they imagine now. Trump’s debates with Hillary may become even more interesting.

  378. James, I read that Mitt romney referred to to Trump’s stance as “trickle down racism.” I tend to agree.

    However, there is no trickle down without the left’s denial of obvious facts, including this very one.

  379. Ah, no need for MSNBC yet. Here it is from Obama:

    “The shooter was apparently armed with a handgun and a powerful assault rifle,” he said. ” This massacre is therefore a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school, or in a house of worship, or a movie theater, or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that’s the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision as well.”

    We need more reality. What’s France’s version of James Taylor?

  380. Tigre,
    1) I know for a fact what Falwell said after 9/11 and I know for a fact those like him feel that way today. Nothing to Google. It’s a fact. These folks fortunately are in the minority.

    2) You complain much too much about MSNBC to not be watching it. Otherwise you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass.

    3) Here’s my epiphany on gun control. Tom Brokaw asked why AR-15’s and the like can be bought by the average guy. These weapons are made solely to kill many PEOPLE, not animals for hunting.

    The answer is the 2nd Amendment: weapons designed for mass murder are desired by those who want to be ready to kill LOTS of Feds who impinge on their freedom. The capacity of these weapons to do harm is moot. That’s the whole point to those who want to be ready to fight the government.

    To Rabbit: you’re right. The lefts take on radical Islam is mystifying. I don’t defend it. I once worried a lot about Islamophobia but not so much anymore. The religion needs to clean up its act NOW.

    Now, for something completely trivial, anyone wanna take bets on how long it will take Poolman to call this a false flag event?

  381. They say it’s impractical but I have to wonder this:

    If your behavior is so off the chart that the FBI interviews you, why can’t you stay on some sort of surveillance for the rest of your goddam life while you reside here? This dude was on FBI radar in 2014.

    Many of these terrorists are already known to the authorities.

  382. This is adding up to another government staged event. FBI has the record of inciting these and setting them up. It does fit the obvious agenda as our legal ego pointed out.

  383. Falwell’s dead. I was talking about the ones you wanted me to defend from my high horse. Those cheering dead fags you moron. Keep playing dumb. It’s really endearing.
    I didn’t say I don’t watch any television. Over the years, I’ve come to find that whenever I turn it on, you’re repeating it like a dumb blonde moments later. At least half of your posts are drawn directly from it. It is your source of truth and you as well as everyone else here fucking knows it.
    The 2nd is not for hunting. But we’ve been through this every fucking time there’s a shooting. Even the one you blamed on Palin And here you are again repeating your Obama/MSNBC gun control narrative like an idiot again. Clock work.

    You claiming you don’t defend the left’s take on islam is total fucking joke. You’ve done it every damn time.

    Let’s see. . . how could you make more prophetic like you are with Poolman? Hmmmmm. . . .

  384. So no proof then.

    There are some interesting facts that make me suspect it not as being reported:
    The nightclub owner is (or was) president of the Florida Theatrical Association. Many of these events have involved actors and stagecraft. That fits it with how this administration does these. Also the suspect’s politically father could be the next leader of Afghanistan and has been to the white house. This suspect worked for a private global security company and was interviewed by FBI twice since 2013. FBI is dirty and is usually involved in these events.

    So really all you have is what they tell you and that forms the picture in your head.

  385. CAIR’s is a small start, but I believe an Iman interviewed in Orlando felt distress over the shootings. A couple of months ago, he said gays needed to be killed out of compassion. I will believe it means something if they do more. They are allowed to lie to infidels.

    Yes, Romney said Trump is a source of trickle down racism. It may be true, but coming from a man who folded like a chair at a crucial moment during his campaign, the charge carries little weight with me.

    Obama is a racist, and he is fairly popular. Why should I care if Trump is a racist?

    I still plan to vote for Trump.

  386. “So really all you have is what they tell you and that forms the picture in your head.”

    As opposed to a Youtube video produced by a gaggles of high school dropouts.

    Such intellectual rigor.

    Boy you sure got us all with your Sandyhook evidence. Took some of us upwards of 5 minutes to debunk your stupidity.

  387. ”The lefts take on radical Islam is mystifying.

    You might say it’s a quandary.
    “This is a real rubber meets the road kind of thing and I think folks will try to spin this towards the alleged intolerance of the right. Its crazy.”
    Uh huh.

  388. I shit you not liberals are emotionally complaining over gay men being turned away from giving blood.

    If they had their way, they would infect massive swaths of our blood supply with AIDS because… Uh… Reality.

    Stupid reality. The left’s quagmire. It’s albatross. Always Reality!

  389. Of course Tom Petty is. He should be on a watch list.

    A local news story turned my stomach. A minister said our thoughts and prayers are with the victims. Others, including area gays spoke of the strength of love to defeat the violent extremists.

    Weaklings like Obama and Hillary say we must rid streets of guns and deny criminals and terrorists the means to kill other people. Yet, the gutless wonders refuse to tell the truth as Swedish reporter Hanna noted.

    We hear this drivel after each attack and it means nothing except as a balm for weaklings. We need more of early Bush after the 9/11 attacks. They can’t hear us as they did then.

  390. The Sandy Hook elementary school was closed for months before the shooting and the children were being dropped off by complicit parents where the holed up in the basement of a building available by tunnel, obviously. Crisis actors that switched roles from victim to responder abound, and others supposedly killed appeared in nearby schools where no one noticed them. Except for the meddling Poolman, Rosie O’Donnel and a an army of uneducated Yotubers living in the parents’ homes they would’ve gotten away with it too.

  391. Falwell’s dead.

    Why do you want to extend what is clearly tangential to the main discussion?

    Folks like Falwell are NOT dead and they DO view the massacre as a moral lesson from God. It’s a fact but it’s tangential to what we should be discussing.

    To Rabbit: what’s the first thing many (including yourself) want to do in a crisis like this? Give blood. Gays are upset that they can’t help during this tragedy. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

    Why all the talk about Tom Petty? I know he’s originally from Florida. Is there something else I’m missing?

    Many of the dead are Hispanic also. What a perfect brew for social identity politics.

  392. “Did I just read that Tigre believes Trump is a source of trickle down racism?

    I’ll be damned!”

    Yes. Be damned. Trump energizes racists.

    Obama creates, supports and brings the resources of the government to bear on his party of racists. You fall in line and defend it.

    I’ll be damned.

  393. “Folks like Falwell are NOT dead and they DO view the massacre as a moral lesson from God. It’s a fact but it’s tangential to what we should be discussing.”

    No shit? You brought it up. And here you were talking about 9/11.

    Where are all of the Falwell people cheering the dead gays R? That was my question. Again, you brought it up, Mr. Tangential.

  394. Tigre, old man, don’t be a hater. I think relative to this shooting, we have more in common in our reaction than we have apart.

    I’m particularly annoyed at liberals who this late in the game, are still in denial that Omar was religiously motivated. You should see the Twitter stream. It’s wild.

  395. Tigre I brought it up as one of many points and it’s the only one you focused on. YOU made the tangent the main argument. You pick a bit of snark out of a long commrnt and run with it. Give it a rest. It was an ACCURATE albeit minor observation.

  396. Looks like everyone energizes racists.

    Trump represents identity politics coming home to roost. I’ve already stated here several times Trump at once exposes conservative bigotry and liberal hypocrisy.

    FWIW, I truly don’t believe Trump is a racist. I think he’s an idiot from another generation.

  397. On the Political Gabfest podcast, John Dickerson nailed Emily Bazelon to the wall when she suggested the Stanford rape judge might have ruled differently had he not been a privileged white guy. Dickerson asked her how that was any different from Trump. She didn’t have a great answer.

  398. You said something about my “high horse.” having nothing to with my original point — which has since proven true. You then followed with something about 9/11 and the 2nd amendment. Look back at what I said and you’ll see again how it is that you complete me.

    Our reactions are not the same. You went looking for something unrelated to islamists, gays, the MSM and it was. . . .go ahead, you can say it. . . the right. When I have access to a tee vee I’ll go looking for the cheering religious folks out there and when I find them I’ll blame them.

    In the meantime, you may rest assured that Obama will blame those responsible. Gun owners and middle Americans, preferably white.

  399. The second Disturbed song posted by Huck actually sounds like it could be used by Trump.

    My sister independently pointed me to their version of Sounds of Silence. They’re an interesting band.

    I get a kick out of political bands. Chumba Wamba were a bunch of anarchists whose lyrics were so UK specific that I couldn’t relate. My fav was their one US hit which was not at all political.

  400. Rutherford, El Tigre knows more about this than I do.

    During the mid eighties, Petty displayed Confederate flags at his concerts to dramatize a song from the Confederate view point.

    He recently appologized for being so thoughtless. Then, he accused police of murdering blacks.

    That’s all I know about about Petty.

  401. I liked Chumbwamba too.

    Tub thumping is a form of violent political speech. We saw examples at Speakers Corner in London’s Hyde park It was good Sunday afternoon entertainment.

  402. Tub thumping is a form of violent political speech.

    Thanks. Did not know that. As is the destiny of any anarchist endeavor, they eventually disbanded. 😊😊

  403. “Folks like Falwell are NOT dead and they DO view the massacre as a moral lesson from God. It’s a fact but it’s tangential to what we should be discussing.”

    The only “folks” that I personally know who think God works like that – sends some Islamic jihadist fuckshit to slaughter a bunch of gays as some “moral lesson” – are folks like you who don’t believe in God in the first place. And I know quite a few evangelicals, if that’s the group you’re attempting to shame.

  404. The only “folks” that I personally know who think God works like that – sends some Islamic jihadist fuckshit to slaughter a bunch of gays as some “moral lesson” – are folks like you who don’t believe in God in the first place.

    What you just wrote is nonsensical. If they don’t believe in God, they can’t believe “God works like that”.

    I tell you what I told Tigre. Give it a rest. Falwell made an ugly statement back in the day and he was not alone in his philosophy. Are there MANY like him who truly have a sick interpretation of dead gay folks? No. I added the comment as a bit of snark and for some reason you guys can’t let it go.

  405. “Tom Brokaw asked why AR-15’s and the like can be bought by the average guy.”

    This guy was not average, he was on the terrorist watch list.

    This is, however, liable to put a kink the previous argument that people on the terrorist watch list should still be able to buy guns because the government can use such lists to keep guns out of the hands of normal guys.

  406. James, the album covers I posted say waht I was after.

    Petty is a big lib really. He has never been a racist but under Rutherford’s test is one, of course. . . until he’s not. Like when a catch tune comes on. Rutherford became an expert on this after the Charleston shootings. ‘Cause he watches MSNBC and has only lived in bigoted, liberal, xenophobic shitholes.

  407. “If they don’t believe in God, they can’t believe “God works like that”.”

    You’re always moralizing about what you think a God that you don’t believe in is doing. All the time.

    You “added” it in an attempt to deflect the “quandary” in which the left finds itself when your victim-worlds collide.

    Sure. I’ll give it a rest.

  408. ” I added the comment as a bit of snark and for some reason you guys can’t let it go.”

    Yeah… Well…. Your snark sucked, pajama boy.

  409. “To Rabbit: what’s the first thing many (including yourself) want to do in a crisis like this? Give blood. Gays are upset that they can’t help during this tragedy. Why is that so hard for you to understand?”

    Hell… I’m half afraid they will get their way, for one. They aren’t bummed. They want the policy changed. Get it? Changed.

    I was shocked to learn that 20% of all gay men are HIV positive.

    What is so hard to understand about why they can’t?

    Remember, that blood mixes. These people are willing to risk people’s lives because of their feelings. It’s quite disgusting.

    It’s not a civil rights issue. It’s cost benifit analysis…over blood born pathogens.

  410. Snark my ass.

    That was deflection. It became “snark” when you realized where you had gone with it.

  411. What is Obama going to do, what is the left going to do, to protect gays from islamic terrorists? You gonna talk about evil conservatives and gun control while they get slaughtered? I don’t think the modern left is capable of doing anything at all other than exploiting it for political gain.

    I’d say “Americans” but that would include evil white guys, some that even own guns and live in the Midwest that cling to their bibles and other ignorant stuff. We can afford to lose those. But gays?

    WE MUST DO SOMETHING!! Is there a flag we could ban or someone other than islamists we could vilify? Are there bakers, or florists, or pizza shop owners or those dirty Christians we could pursue?

    Tell us what to do Obama. We need a lecture. Time to finger wag and express disappointment. Scold us like children Obama. We need your assessment of our moral failings. We need Michelle’s pouty face hashtag skillz.

    And James Taylor!. Where’s James Taylor? We need a friend.

  412. “Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don’t want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!” Trump

    Appreciate the congrats?

    The way he words things….He is either low IQ or only speaks to people low IQ.

    Just becuase I want a president tha isn’t a coward and doesn’t always lie means the ancient art of rhetoric is dead.

    Trump acts like he is the only one who gets it. Motherfucker needs to knock off the Charlie Sheen act at this point, too.

    I don’t know if I can vote for him.

  413. James Taylor is crying about Obama and Hillary’s “flying machine in pieces on the ground.”

    I agree, Rabbit. I’m still voting for Trump. Hillary will be worse.

  414. Snark my ass.

    I went back to the original comment. I made a total of six statements in that comment, ONE of which was about ultra-conservatives. That’s five statements you ignored just to pick out the most obviously provocative one to bitch about for the remainder of the thread. You’re too much! Muffy who should have better sense jumps on the bandwagon like the Rutherford-hating tool that she is, spouting contradictory nonsense.

    Puhlease!

  415. Rabbit why can’t you hold two ideas in your head at once?

    Is it not possible to say that gays shouldn’t be giving blood AND feel compassion for those who want to? Did I ever say gays should be giving blood? No. I said their desire to doesn’t merit your condemnation.

  416. “I went back to the original comment. . . blah, blah, blah. . .” -R

    Mighty overdeveloped snark:

    “What’s your answer about Falwell types Tigre? Get off your high horse. Some on the right are as vile as the liberal establishment you despise.”

    “I know for a fact what Falwell said after 9/11 and I know for a fact those like him feel that way today. Nothing to Google. It’s a fact. These folks fortunately are in the minority.”

    “Folks like Falwell are NOT dead and they DO view the massacre as a moral lesson from God. It’s a fact but it’s tangential to what we should be discussing.”

    Cut the crap.

  417. Tigre, as for your speech at 10:07 which won the Dead Rabbit Award, what do YOU want to do about Orlando? You’re so good with the Paul Lynde commentary but short on solutions.

    Wanna bomb Afghanistan? I think his parents came from there. Wanna police mosques? Wanna strengthen background checks so motherfuckers who raised the FBI’s eyebrows don’t get guns?

    By the way this guy had a gun permit cos he used to be a security guard. Was he a security guard before or after the 2013/2014 FBI investigation?

    Or do you want to do nothing because shit happens?

  418. “That’s five statements you ignored just to pick out the most obviously provocative one to bitch about for the remainder of the thread.”

    That’s not true at all. I addressed all of the, In fact, the first one you seem to have cut and paste something from the link I posted before it. The rest had follow up, preceded by your demand that I address your Falwell “’cause I know you are but what am I?”

  419. “LOL You posted my RESPONSES to your persistent whining!!! You act like all that was in the original comment.”

    This is not your response to my persistent whining you fucking liar:

    “What’s your answer about Falwell types Tigre? Get off your high horse. Some on the right are as vile as the liberal establishment you despise.”

    That’s your demand that I address your stupid Falwell shit that you are now running away from like your Pailin indictment when Giffords was shot.

    Dumbass. .

  420. “what do YOU want to do about Orlando? You’re so good with the Paul Lynde commentary but short on solutions.”

    I want to be lectured by Obama. Creating division for political gain persoIt is the right thing to do. It’s what we need. Don’t mention radical islamists because you don’t know all the facts, but be sure everyone knows that this is an issue about gun control based on the. . . facts?

    The solution starts with calling it what it is, dumbass.

    And bringing up Falwell so you can cast blame the on the ones responsible.

  421. “I said their desire to doesn’t merit your condemnation.”

    Yeah, infecting the national blood supply and rasing the amount of people sickened by blood transfusions doesn’t merit my condemnation.

  422. In California, people with AIDS can donate organs to other people with AIDS.

    Just kinda throwing that out there….

  423. Sad what a lack of IQ, the need for order and security, too much constant episodic thinking while on THC and access to the Internet can do to a man… an older man, no less.

    Poolman is pathetic and evil. I go months without reading one thing the guy writes.

    Spreading his evil rumors. Dark shit.

  424. Yeah, infecting the national blood supply and rasing the amount of people sickened by blood transfusions doesn’t merit my condemnation.

    OMFG! That’s not what they want to do doofus. That’s why they’re not allowed to do it. But their intent is to help, not to fucking infect you.

    Aren’t you a little old for the macho “I just don’t get fags” routine? If you were gay and your buddy, just shot up in a club, needed blood, you’d be goddam sad that you couldn’t help him. It’s as simple as that. Should the rules be changed to accommodate your feeling of helplessness? NO! But can I relate to how you feel? YES.

  425. Troofers think an owner of a gay nightclub being affiliated with a theatrical entity is out of place? The conspiracy would’ve been if she hadn’t!

  426. Rutherford you might want to cool your jets just a tad. There is a heavy dose of agenda driven indignation behind most of the reporting regards blood donations. It isn’t “emotion” relative to “my friend needs blood” it’s almost exclusively about “I’m discriminated against because I had sex with a man within a year”.
    The rules are the rules and those wishing to change or at least use this episode to alert folks of the screening policy is real and quite frankly inappropriate.

  427. The rapid fire progression of the spin on this story is sickening. The deliberate foisting of homophobia as the primary driver is everywhere and its outrageous. I get people are overall kinda of simple requiring some journalistic craftsmanship but for fucks sake its important to disclose and tie together a story properly.
    Was Omar “homophobic”? No he hated them and he hated them secondary to religious and cultural teachings.

    Rutherford you asked ET about what he wants. I’ll tell you what I want.
    I want mosques and entities like CAIR monitored.
    I want proper registration and ownership of firearms,I want good people who want to own a gun to be allowed to.
    I want US domestic policy to focus on the majority of Americans in a manner consistent with civic unity and harmony.
    There’s more but that’s good for the first cup of coffee.

  428. Rutherford asked for solutions. Links to Drudge tell us over 100 Syrians enter the US each day. 99% of Afghan immigrants support some form of Sharia Law.

    Several areas report more cases of Measles and TB from illness brought here from abroad.

    A simple solution is to build a wall as the Democrats plan to do for their convention and as several European nations are doing. It doesn’t have to be a physical wall as long as it stops mass migration.

    Our national and physical lives depend on whom we vote for this time. Our vote is important from dog catcher on up. Trump is a potentially dangerous side show barker but he is all that stands between us and President Clinton. We know her record and can judge her from her reaction to the terrorist attack in Orlando.

    She and Obama also support unfettered migration to our country.

    Finding and keeping track of potential terrorists is a daunting job as the number of potential killers multiplies. We are guaranteed freedom of speech and the right to own guns. Authorities cannot simply arrest someone without hard evidence.

    The reaction is disgusting and sickening. Progressives use the tragedy to weaken the Second Amendment. We hold vigils which are heartfelt and help people heal, but they are more like the reaction of someone in an abusive relationship. We need an aggressive counter attack, because this is the war that dare not show its name.

  429. Now, you know, Rutherford some of what we must do. I agree with alfie.

    I also don’t see anything wrong with Huck’s comment. Spare organs are scarce, and if AIDS patients may live with organs from other AIDS people, why not?

  430. Troofers think an owner of a gay nightclub being affiliated with a theatrical entity is out of place? The conspiracy would’ve been if she hadn’t!

    Cute. Affiliated is a little different than PRESIDENT of the association. But for peace sake, let’s say it’s equal. Let’s get past that little factoid and on to some obvious conspiracy…

    I posted a video that shows the person pretending to be the mother of a potential victim who just happens to be an actress for hire in middle Florida and the video shows her in an audition tape where she wanted to be on wheel of fortune. But that isn’t the conspiracy, It is just one fraud. Why would there need to be any fraud? That is a real question, but you won’t entertain it.

    Alfie and Nathan are affiliated with smart people, but that doesn’t make them smart. It doesn’t work that way. But then what is obvious to me is not always clear for others. Does that make me crazy?

  431. I know my government lies. It is provable. The lies are reinforced daily by those representing it. It should not be surprising to find out it is all scam, all propaganda, all lie – all the time. Pay attention. We’ve had their agenda spelled out to us:

  432. Some people like to see the same movie over and over to pick up more details from it. Some people reread books in the same way. I like looking back at then current events with today’s perspective. It often reveals a bigger agenda and better explains the path we’ve traveled. I think the 28 pages that were redacted and now being pushed to the forefront is also a diversion. But all needs to be revealed. Those that think this is going to be justification to invade Saudi Arabia may be right, since that is part of the Yinon plan and agenda all along. This has all played out slower, but much like it was planned.

    Either you’re with us, or you are with the terrorists.

  433. Rutherford one last comment for this slow loading and soon to be hijacked by pool mans nonsense thread,oops too late on the latter.

    A lot, perhaps even the majority of stuff that is said or published gets presented as truth and all too often doesn’t face consequences. Pools life story in a big way. 😄 Still many legitimate folks get the same pass as the resident nut case from AZ. It needs to end.
    Anyway a lot of things will be said about this latest incident and all of its possible related pieces but what consequences will there be? I know truth is a casualty in this case. Stressing the gay angle without appreciating the realities is maddening.

  434. Sexually transmitted diseases have killed more Americans than guns ever dreamed of killing.

    WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING!!!!

    Shall we regulate unprotected, premarital sex? Shall we force everyone that engages in that practice to have special liability insurance for when they pass on their deadly disease to unwitting others? Shall we create a national registry and force everyone who engages in unprotected, premarital sex to put their name on it? Or better yet, simply add their name when they get a licence that allows them to have unprotected sex with whoever they want, whenever they want.

    Let’s be clear. Nobody is discussing taking away your precious genitals. But this carnage cannot be allowed to continue just because you have some protected right that the Framers never really intended when they wrote the antiquated notion that people have the right to privacy (even though the Framers never actually wrote that people have the right to privacy).

    If gun owners want liberals to get on board with gun rights, they need to start storing their guns in their bedrooms. Because we all know how important the sanctity of that space is to the left.

  435. Another meme floating around:

    If you keep insulting Muslims you further isolate good decent American Muslims and you risk their radicalization.

    I gave this some thought this morning and decided that should be a get out of jail card for blacks too. “Until you stop insulting us, we will continue to rob, rape and kill you.”

    Imagine the defense in court. “I killed my landlord cos of PTSD caused by being forced to read Huck Finn in high school.”

  436. Not good enough, Rutherford.

    If you want to win an argument right now you need to find a way to turn in back to 2 topics–“sex” and “homosexuality”. If you want to add race, you need to interlace it with 1 of those.

    Try these:

    Until you stop insulting us we will continue to spread disease throughout the country. I gave my unwitting sexual partner AIDS because I was micro-aggressed into using a bathroom I didn’t like.

    Another alternative: I gave my unwitting partner a deadly sexual disease because I wanted him to check his white, male privilege.

    To be very clear, I don’t agree with anything I am saying here. But people only see the absurdity of some of their assertions if things they care about are made part of it. Then it becomes off limits.

  437. Radical Muslim: I hate you.
    Typical lib: No, you really love me.
    RM: No, I hate you.
    TL: No, you just feel isolated. You really love me.
    RM: I hate you and I’m going to kill you.
    TL: Aww, you don’t mean that. You just let Trump get under your skin. You really love me.
    RM: 😡😡😡😡

  438. I think we went beyond that when I was asking if they were copacetic with a transgender owning one.

    On a different note, remember when Obama was waging a very public war against Fox News and the left said it was cool because they lie so much and the rest of us warned that he was setting a bad precedent?

    Yeah….

  439. Poolman doesn’t want an AR-15. We’ve had this discussion before. I don’t like guns. That isn’t the way the rest of my family feels. It is a personal thing. But I will for sure defend myself and my family against an evil government and any of its cronies, to include paid actors and liars.

  440. Check your tone Rutherford.
    Listen America didn’t move left for dead kids it damn well better not do it for gay adults.
    Work on a better society does not start with divvying up Americans by zip code and saying which group can have a gun. It also doesn’t help to disarm the good folk. Address the people. Address the zealous theology,mental disorders and hate and stop taking rights & freedoms for granted and worse taking them away.
    America better get its collective retardation fixed and hunker down for the hard work that’ll need. Shortcuts and half assing it isn’t working.

  441. Listen America didn’t move left for dead kids it damn well better not do it for gay adults.

    Oh on that you are 100% correct. If 20 dead children who never even got a start were slaughtered, there is NO appeal to emotion.

    My motive with the Poolman question was to take us from the abstract to the concrete. Everyone here has to differing degrees questioned Pool’s judgment (if not his sanity) so I wanted to have everyone here defend Pool’s right to have an AR-15.

    If everyone here would sell Poolman an assault rifle, then I commend them on their true devotion to the second amendment. Then, they are TRUE believers.

    I maintain there are people who should not have guns. I think Poolman courts the nutty stuff more as hobby than true pathology but he was an easy test case for my question.

  442. Huck, I kinda thought Nixon set a pretty strong precedent where the press is concerned. His relationship with the press was far more adversarial than Obama’s.

  443. Why would Obama have an adversarial role with the press? Good grief, it’s been one big, slobbering love affair for almost eight insidious years now.

  444. DR that was some fucked up shit. I always wondered why I felt so uncomfortable in public and now I finally realize I’ve been gangstalked. They’re ALL out there trying to trigger me.

    😳😳😳😳😳

  445. Try being a targeted individual for real. Let them become your target if you want to survive. It changes you, and it makes you stronger.

    I agree with Alfie. Moreover, we discussed these issues a few cycles ago.

    Obama and by extension,liberals is unwilling to tell the truth about the threats facing us, and too many moderate Muslims are unable to speak out against the fundamentalists. An unknown number are like the law abiding iman who said homosexuals should be killed out of love for them.

    Our witless press wrings its hands as it grapples over the causes of such evil, while this little blog has more knowledge and sense than they do.

  446. “I agree with Alfie. Moreover, we discussed these issues a few cycles ago.”

    Ya think?

    Turns out Obama and MSNBC are talking about them again though. 🙄

  447. Tex, Rutherford was all over that himself. . . to prove that it’s not all about attempting to gain political advantage from a tragedy but lay blame on the real responsible party here, Jerry Falwell. 🙄

    Let’s talk about gun control and AR 15’s, a gun that wasn’t even used in the shooting because, you know, the ban in the 90’s proved to be such good idea.

    And for God’s sake don’t mention radical islam.

    Fuck the left.

  448. Tigre, not surprised Rutherford was all over that because the charges so ludicrous, there was a chance there might be a carry over to further expose how stupid Obama’s call for gun control might be too.

    I just read it wasn’t an AR-15 – the only gun Leftists know by name. It’s so much easier than saying Sigsauer MCX assault rifle. 😈

  449. I just read it wasn’t an AR-15 – the only gun Leftists know by name. It’s so much easier than saying Sigsauer MCX assault rifle. 😈

    For all practical purposes, what difference does it make besides accuracy in reporting. The two guns are semi’s that kill lots of people at one time, no?

  450. “For all practical purposes, what difference does it make besides accuracy in reporting.”

    the arbitrary scope of the law that bans them and what an aggressor might be carrying them.

    But we’ve already had these discussions and Gorilla in particular made you look the fool. How about moving on to something other than your MSNBC blather, Blondie?

  451. Turns out the supposed jihadist that they claim is the shooter was gay. I don’t think as a real person profile that can actually exist. Maybe they will twist in into a lover’s spat, since men kissing is what supposedly set him off.

    Watch out America, the gay muslim invasion has begun. 😆

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