Campaign Malpractice: Devine and Weaver

As a chronically underemployed individual, I’m always fuming at folks who make healthy salaries doing what, quite frankly, I could do better. The latest pair of gents to get my dander up are Jeff Weaver and Tad Devine, campaign manager and senior advisor respectively of the Bernie Sanders campaign. In trying to mount a “positive” campaign they have conceded the race to Hillary Clinton. There are three clear examples of malpractice. 

The Damn Emails

Bernie famously declared in an early debate that America  was tired of hearing about Hillary’s rogue email server. This was in the name of positive, issues-oriented campaigning. I disagreed with pundits that this was a mistake but I was wrong. Sanders could have said “the Secretary  herself has said this was a mistake in judgment. I’m not the FBI. I’ll let the FBI do their job and I’ll do mine.” This would have left Clinton exposed while taking a perfect passive-aggressive approach. In subsequent interviews, Sanders went in this direction but it was too late. 

When Was a Clinton Vote Ever Influenced by Monied Interests?

Sanders blew this question in debate after debate when the answer should have been well known to him. Then when it was way too late in the game, Jeff Weaver and surrogate, Senator Jeff Merkley finally said “bankruptcy bill” but could not articulate the answer convincingly under the partisan cross examination of Chris Matthews. Why did the Sanders campaign not use this video as an ad and example?

The Transcripts Matter

Jeff Weaver has tried to be the tough guy, referring to Hillary’s deals with the devil. Again, when cross examined by the likes of Chris Matthews, Weaver withers. This is not difficult. Transcripts of Hillary’s paid speeches to Goldmam Sachs et al will show her being sympathetic to the folks who brought the country to its knees in 2007. This is the central theme of the Sanders campaign. Why is it so hard for Sanders’ campaign staff to get this right?

The 2015/2016 Democratic primary will go down in history as the nomination where the populist candidate with the best chance of beating an establishment typical pol was undone by his own advisors. 

In the meantime, I sit here blogging for free. Damn! 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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766 thoughts on “Campaign Malpractice: Devine and Weaver

  1. I felt the same as you do when McCain and Romney became more passive than Sarah Palin.

    One wonders if this was a vanity run for Sanders.

    More than one commentator has found similarities between Sanders and Trump who have harnessed the emotions of people who feel left out and taken for granted by insiders. Removing the florid language reveals similar stated philosophies.

    What if Sanders and Trump joined forces and ran together?

    At worst, we are entering a dark age, but we still have a little time.

  2. They likely followed a script. I don’t think his was a plan to win. I think it was just to give the public the illusion of choice and a working democracy. Bernie’s campaign brought excitement to apathetic democrats while recruiting new young ones. It also served to split independent voters.

  3. I think it’s true that Sanders went further than he expected he would but I take him at his word that this was not purely an issues campaign. I think he entered to win.

    What he didn’t understand is USA ain’t Vermont and being an independent is very different from being a corrupt Democrat.

  4. The megalomedia chose the noms and will choose the the next president.

    Watching Chuck Todd on his Sunday shamefest is something I assiduously avoid, but a chance exposure to 5 minutes of Todd’s interview with Cruz yesterday reaffirmed for me the power of evil and effectiveness of propaganda.

  5. Im not sure I understand why anyone would aspire to be a political strategist. What child dreams of this for themselves?

    I think these people are there for lack of a better idea.

  6. Political strategists are blood suckers. They gain control over candidates and change them into the image of polls and focus groups. They aspire to become rich and convince themselves they are more important than the candidate. The most persistent gain admittance to political talk shows.

  7. I saw Chuck on a Youtube clip. Their confidence is growing. The masks are coming off to reveal the vulpine savages behind pretty faces.

  8. Bernie Sanders is one of literally a handful of national level folks that actually look at things like BLM,OWS and other leftist hippie trash and think that is where America is capable of going.
    The truth is America isn’t invested in the realities it takes to go hard left. Bernie saw the wrong tea leaves and took a shot. I’m more willing to say he actually was in it to effect change win, lose or draw.

    I watched Todd v Cruz and I didn’t see a shill media hump raining on someones parade. I saw a candidate who has in my opinion become clear was a lie all along. Early on I thought Cruz was the guy,said so in one of the threads here. He devolved so thoroughly because I think he is actually a lie incarnate and that never stands the weathering effects of a campaign cycle.

    People who know do,people who don’t _____________. One of the apt fill ins is of course political strategist. I think people with a communications degree and a high sense of competitiveness can easily be drawn to the excitement of tweaking a political campaign. Its kind of like the pundits. Nothing to lose but all the glory for all ones chattering. Fuck it if it’s not good $$$ sometimes too.

  9. @ Rutherford I will say this about Bernie. He really wants to talk at the convention and whether the Sea Hag and her pet monkey,DWS gives it to him will be telling. I personally think the parting advice to Bernie should be that his final speech should call for the youth to fight and that he can’t with a clear conscience endorse Hillary. Anything short of that he assure himself to be a soon to be forgotten footnote in history.

  10. I was a campaign manager for a season because no one else wanted the job. it was occasionally exciting,but mostly tedious. Such people are as parasitic as movie or music critics living on the talent of doers.

  11. The dustbin of history is full of folks who thought they could run their own campaigns. On the flip side you should review McKinley’s campaign. Probably the best example of a campaign superseding a candidate. All in all not an uninteresting presidency either.

  12. We’ve long since entered the bread and circuses phase of nationhood. My daughter still believes Bernie has a chance. She explained to me how he could still take the nomination. She explained how only Bernie could beat Trump. Poor disillusioned child. I expect reality will close in as we get further along this trail.

  13. “I think he is actually a lie incarnate and that never stands the weathering effects of a campaign cycle.”

    Uh…. Never?

  14. “I watched Todd v Cruz and I didn’t see a shill media hump raining on someones parade. I saw a candidate who has in my opinion become clear was a lie all along.”

    Unless you can imagine him doing the same to Hillary, Todd is every bit the shill media hump.

  15. Bernie capped off a lifetime of doing nothing by bellowing the word “revolution” and “free.”

    Bernie is not a leader of a revolution. Bernie’s message is no more substantive than if he stood at the podium and hollered “message!” He lives because the media allows it.

  16. Just put her in Cruz’s seat for a second with Todd doing his 2nd rate Tom Cruise-inspired performance. He practically wailed “I want the truth!”

    You cant.

  17. Revolution is too powerful a notion and abused as a word and concept. Still Bernie saw and reached out to a slice of America that has had its ups and downs in our history.There will always be people that desire the message but will almost always fail to put their shoulders to the wheel.

  18. It’s rich to hear a woman who makes $400,000 a year to teach one class harping about the problems of the middle class. It’s wonderfully easy to wail on about the middle class when you yourself are a multi-millionaire built on a pack of lies from an institute with a $40 billion dollar endowment care of inside scoop ala Goldman Sachs.

    Frankly, I wish somebody would tell me how political strategists are any different from corporate lobbyists. Aren’t they being paid to push an agenda, only an agenda that is not quite as specific?

  19. Isn’t Karl Rove a strategist? His county/district based model was a pretty good thing until it met its match in 2012.
    Manafort has a history some good and bad.
    There must be lines on this matter where some of the strategists and consultants etc. are agenda whores and where some genuinely have a finger on the pulse of a moment.

  20. Frankly, I consider Rove the consummate corporate lobbyist for the true Establishment Wing of the Republican Party. And I have since probably about 2005.

  21. I just searched for Todds recent infommercial with Clinton regarding her extreme position on abortion and I find him to be twice the evil mutherfucker than I had previously stated.

  22. Cruz’s interview on MTP needs to be contrasted with his interview on Face the Nation. John Dickerson let Cruz do a virtually uninterrupted campaign stump speech. Todd on the other hand actually interviewed Cruz and tried to make the slickster answer questions, not give speeches. Sorry, my vote goes to Todd as the better broadcaster.

  23. Took 2 seconds to find this. The only fault I find here is Clinton allowed to give lengthy answers but I sure don’t see any fault with the questions. Hardly softball.

    What does Muffy want, for Todd to punch HRC in the face?

  24. Wow. 7 minutes into it and now I gotta go see the Cruz interview if R thinks that candy-assed platform for talking points was hardball. Come on.

  25. Never said it was hardball. I said it wasn’t softball and I’ve seen softball interviews of Clinton. Compare Todd talking to Clinton vs Chris Matthews. Not even close. Matthews practically drools.

    By the way, if you stopped after 7 mins, you should finish. As I said the only fault I found was the length of her answers. In 7 mins she probably only answered two questions.

  26. Those were the email questions. Total softballs. Ridiculous answers, no follow ups. If it’s going to change, I’ll go back to it.

  27. Those were the email questions. Total softballs. Ridiculous answers, no follow ups. If it’s going to change, I’ll go back to it.

    I don’t agree it was softball — but yes, go back to it where Todd shows Clinton to be poll driven. The viewer is expected to draw conclusions by the way — not Todd’s job to do all the heavy lifting.

  28. I am not tat familiar with DeKalb county but the disparity doesn’t surprise me at all. The obvious is the environment that black neighborhoods tend to have compared to white. There are clearly cultural differences in how neighborhoods are maintained and the financial security of black neighborhoods over white. Was there more to your question?

  29. “The viewer is expected to draw conclusions by the way — not Todd’s job to do all the heavy lifting.”

    Huh?

  30. Rutherford I don’t need you to make my point for me, but thanks I guess. Incidentally that wasn’t the Todd-Clinton interview I was referring to.

    “Cruz’s interview on MTP needs to be contrasted with his interview on Face the Nation. John Dickerson let Cruz do a virtually uninterrupted campaign stump speech. Todd on the other hand actually interviewed Cruz and tried to make the slickster answer questions, not give speeches. Sorry, my vote goes to Todd as the better broadcaster.”

    “The only fault I find here is Clinton allowed to give lengthy answers but I sure don’t see any fault with the questions. Hardly softball.”

    Hello. McFly. Contrast the two interviewees with Todd asking the questions, not two random interviews that Cruz did with and declare Todd the better broadcaster.

    Reminder of the point you’re weighing in on – “Just put her in Cruz’s seat for a second with Todd doing his 2nd rate Tom Cruise-inspired performance. He practically wailed “I want the truth!”

    You Can’t.

  31. Hillary cannot answer the question which incidentally was asked of her by both Dickerson and Toad recently and they both let her slide. Toad wailed and gnashed his teeth trying to pin Cruz to the floor on whether he’ll support Trump, while Toad lets Clinton weasel around the answer to a question about life.

    The question is whether she supports any restrictions on abortion. The same question I have trouble getting Rutherford to answer.

    Never mind the follow ups Toady never gets around to.

    “Your highness, do you support the legal right of women to have abortions in the late third trimester even if their life is not threatened?” – said Chuck Todd never.

    Rand Paul is a better journalist than Toad and Dickerson combined.

    “Why don’t we ask the DNC: Is it OK to kill a 7-pound baby in the uterus? You go back and go ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz if she’s OK with killing a 7-pound baby that’s just not born yet. Ask her when life begins, and ask Debbie when she’s willing to protect life. When you get an answer from Debbie, come back to me.”

    And DWS actually gave an answer – something queen bee could not even do.

    “I support letting women and their doctors make this decision without government getting involved. Period. End of story.”

    To which Paul responded, “Debbie’s position, which I guess is the Democratic Party’s position, that an abortion all the way up until the day of birth would be fine, I really think most pro-choice people would be uncomfortable with that.”

    Paul is even correct in suggesting that most of America would be uncomfortable with that. And that, Alfie, is what makes Clinton’s stand on abortion extreme.

  32. Was there more to your question?

    Well yes. The article at least partly contradicts your assertion that neighborhood upkeep is a problem. In fact the article suggests the only variable at play is race. The homes are built the same as better valued homes and owned by people of means who just happen to be black.

    So, again, lib propaganda or is there some truth to it? How are the home values in your neighborhood? If they are good, and your neighborhood is predominantly black, that would tend to refute the article’s findings.

  33. Muffy posted an article in the prior thread and upon rereading it, I gave her a bit too much credit.

    First of all, the author cites DWS position on abortion which is irrelevant to Hillary’s.

    Second the author castigates Hillary for walking back her own position – fair enough. But the author builds an entire thesis around questions HRC has NOT been asked. That’s like saying Ted Cruz likes underage girls because he’s never answered a question about it that has never been asked.

    So the article was actually pretty weak and hardly supports the notion HRC is a pro-abortion extremist.

    Earlier in this thread Muffy again accused me of taking no stand on abortion. Let me say it again. Unless the life of the mother is at stake, I do not favor abortion.

  34. “The viewer is expected to draw conclusions by the way — not Todd’s job to do all the heavy lifting.”

    Huh?

    Ok let me approach it differently. A softball question does not make the target of the question uncomfortable. A good investigative question does. A hardball question makes the target very uncomfortable. By that standard, Todd did not ask HRC softball questions.

  35. Rutherford a different take on race and communities.
    http://city-journal.org/html/black-residents-matter-14336.html
    Towards the end it points how the southern cities have experienced positives for blacks. The real meat of the article is how “blue” progressive metros like Portland,Seattle,LA,and San Fran are terrible at having the black man around.
    Actually pretty fair article as it wants to look at a lot of angles in new urbanism and contemporary political flips. Give it a gander I think it’ll prove interesting in conjunction to your linked article.

  36. Yeah I think the passions people have on the abortion issue will never allow America to solve the issue. We’re going to be stuck in the sick divide,conquer,attrition thing we have been gearing up of late.

  37. Incidentally that wasn’t the Todd-Clinton interview I was referring to.

    I never said it was. It took two seconds to find an interview that refutes your claim of gross media bias.

    Hello. McFly. Contrast the two interviewees with Todd asking the questions, not two random interviews that Cruz did with and declare Todd the better broadcaster.

    The interviews weren’t random. They were broadcast the same day on roughly the same topic: the viability of the Cruz campaign. So yes the comparison of Dickerson to Todd was relevant. If you thought Todd a shill, you should’ve seen Dickerson.

    As for Hillary being in Cruz’s hot seat, again, watch the video I posted. The one you weren’t talking about because you only want to talk about the videos that make Todd look like a shill.

  38. “Unless the life of the mother is at stake, I do not favor abortion.”

    I don’t “favor” alfredo sauce at Olive Garden. I like a tomato based sauce.

    It’s a fucking life. Either defend the life or man up and say you don’t give a shit about the life.

    Do you not favor slavery ? How about sexual assual? Is that something you don’t favor?

  39. Rutherford one thing I find missing in the article you posted regards the GA realty & blacks. The article is a good read but it seems to ignore that there is another gorilla in the room so to speak. Areas that are predominantly black have a value issue based on the complex variable that others most likely to buy there come from a smaller pool hence values take a hit. That was a pretty glaring omission from a piece packed otherwise with a lot of reflection.

  40. Rutherford your defense of Hillary and Toad is embarrassing. Im guessing youre hoping your pov jibes with Alfies based on his cryptic remarks so you can feel like youre right about something.

    But, sadly, you arent.

  41. “If you thought Todd a shill, you should’ve seen Dickerson.”

    Theyre both shills. You wanna pick a winner go for it.

    They both let Clinton weasel.

  42. Yes. I believe abortion should be restricted to those cases where the mother’s life is at risk.

    And while this might piss you off I’d be much more comfortable with that restriction coming down from the AMA and not the government.

    Aside to Rabbit: thanks for the lecture on choice of words – point taken.

  43. “Unless the life of the mother is at stake, I do not favor abortion.”

    So if the life of the mother is not at stake you support abortion at any time for any reason?

    And you support federal restrictions on abortions in which the mothers life is not at stake?

  44. Muffy, I greatly appreciate your psychoanalysis regarding me and Alfie.

    I’m not defending Hillary. I AM defending Chuck Todd who on a spectrum of Chris Farley on SNL to the late great attack dog Mike Wallace, falls clearly in the middle. Hardly a shill.

  45. “And while this might piss you off I’d be much more comfortable with that restriction coming down from the AMA and not the government.”

    What does that mean?

    What do you think a restriction is?

  46. I’d be more comfortable with the AMA saying “anyone who practices an abortion unrelated to the physical health of the mother will have their license to practice permanently revoked in all states.”

    It won’t stop abortions but it will decrease them. It makes the issue one of medical ethics, not criminality.

  47. Do you support then the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake?

  48. I think the laws should protect life but I have a problem tossing mothers and doctors in jail over this. I think you’ve stated you want the doctor jailed but that ignores the fact that the doctors act was commissioned by the pregnant woman.

    Keep it out of the criminal justice system and regulate it within the medical community.

  49. “I think the laws should protect life but I have a problem tossing mothers and doctors in jail over this. I think you’ve stated you want the doctor jailed but that ignores the fact that the doctors act was commissioned by the pregnant woman.”

    Nothing is being ignored except a perfectly reasonable legal remedy offered time and again by me.

    I said I want the doctor to lose their license.

    Jail for practicing medicine without a license.

  50. This is where Toad fails (but only when he is in agreement with the politics if the interviewee) –

    You didnt answer my question, Rutherford, you gave a speech.

    Do you support the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake?

  51. “The article at least partly contradicts your assertion that neighborhood upkeep is a problem.. . .”

    I still don’t know what you want me to comment on. It’s the perceptions of the purchaser (upkeep, crime etc.) that drives value, not the actuality of it. Buying into a black neighborhood is historically risky when it comes to home values. There are areas that have been stigmatized (crime, lack of municipal services, commerce) as well. General reputation and status. Is that racism?

    Again, I’m not familiar with South DeKalb. I am familiar with South Fulton that experienced its own development boom with what were intended to be enclave, higher-end (professional), two-car garage homes that went to shit overnight. Total shit.

    Atlanta is historically not very diverse. That is changing quickly and rather dramatically in some areas and the has had a positive effect on home values from what I see (which, in many instances, just means maintaining value in the face of the housing downturn). That’s the opposite of your racism thesis.

    Property values hold up where I am, primarily through gentrification. It’s had it’s cycles. I am told they tend to be 30 years.

  52. “Ok let me approach it differently. A softball question does not make the target of the question uncomfortable. A good investigative question does. A hardball question makes the target very uncomfortable. By that standard, Todd did not ask HRC softball questions.”

    Those were fucking softballs. Give it a rest. You’re so used to defending your friends on teevee, you lost your own point.

    I swear. . .

  53. Yes, strategists are necessary in one form or another, Alfie. Carl Rove’s analyzing each local district was as much mathmatical formula as advice. He provided statistical support for his suggestions.

    Too many of them are like baby cow birds before they take over the nest.

    McKinley was murdered, of course. One of his advisors said now they were saddled with that damned cowboy, TR.

    I see a similarity between the aghast elites then and now when they think of Trump.

  54. I thought we could all use a different angle.

    Seriously can’t stop laughing at that.

    We’re so fucked.

  55. If a form of abortion is in the legal system and is against the law, a woman’s seeking an abortion is equivalent to hiring a hit man. Both people are charged.

    If the procedure is part of a civil or medical dispute, both parties are still guilty, even if the punishment is only a fine or letter of repremand in my opinion.

  56. I’m way past the point of conceding the Trump vs. Clinton election, bowing out of the circus, watching the country finally fold like a cheap tent when it comes to economy and the head loppers, and then picking up the pieces when most Americans are cowering in fear. Play my cards right, and I might even be able to cash in on the fear. 🙂

    I may start walking in and pissing in Target’s women’s restrooms and peeing on the lid and the floor. In fact, I would recommend all men do this while in Target. If you’re real polite, just leave the lid up.

    I don’t care whether Trump or Clinton gets the blame. Just that one of them do, following Barack Obama’s massively failed Presidency.

  57. “I think you’ve stated you want the doctor jailed but that ignores the fact that the doctors act was commissioned by the pregnant woman.”

    Just like the drug dealer and the user. Both dealt with differently in most systems.

  58. “Ah I see. You’re the better version of “Toad” and I’m Ted Cruz.”

    Well if the weasel suit fits. But if you were Ted Cruz then Toad would be screaming at you to answer the questions and the blogger Rutherford would be cheering.

    Im guessing the political strategist wannabe in you suggests you should not answer a question that might expose an extremist view on a topic with which lily-livered liberals are more comfortable flogging conservatives.

    Do you support the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake?

  59. @ Alfie –

    “her extreme position on abortion (bold type added to my statement)

    serious?” (your question in reply)

    I think that’s vague and suggests that you disagree without actually doing so.

    “Yeah I think the passions people have on the abortion issue will never allow America to solve the issue. We’re going to be stuck in the sick divide,conquer,attrition thing we have been gearing up of late.”

    This too I find obscure. Suggestive of blame? A tad judgmental? I really don’t know. Ergo, cryptic.

    You are, Alfie, something of a man of mystery.

  60. “Just like the drug dealer and the user. Both dealt with differently in most systems.”

    I hesitated in mentioning this but I’ve heard Matthews bawling the same grievance with the proposed legal remedy that doesn’t seem to go far enough for liberals. I don’t get it. You’re having trouble showing mercy to a women seeking an illegal abortion? So show mercy. You don’t want to throw the doctor in jail for performing illegal abortions then don’t. Take away their license to practice medicine. Without such a license, anyone practicing medicine is breaking the law.

    Maybe the true to life objection is to conservatives showing mercy to the pregnant woman.

  61. Muffy, it’s always a false choice with the left. A favorite method of justification for the harsh consequences of a bad position that they are unwilling to let go of.

  62. @ Muffy thanks for the reply. Let me try to tidy up.
    My question was a genuine one and worded purposefully. I was asking how extreme was the appropriate adjective to HRC abortion views. It was put out as it was also to cover the flavor of the word extreme in the context of the topic (i.e. extremist).
    All that said we’ll just have to go on record as disagreeing that HRC history and position on abortion is far from extreme. She is very much a poll pig not unlike Bill but on the issue of abortion she and her handlers created a position statement and she hasn’t veered from it. (safe,legal,rare)
    Calling HRC an extremist on abortion is laughable in my opinion.

    “Yeah I think the passions people have on the abortion issue will never allow America to solve the issue. We’re going to be stuck in the sick divide,conquer,attrition thing we have been gearing up of late.”
    That people with an opinion on the topic have some passion on the topic is an understatement. There is absolutely no common ground for the far points of abortions spectrum. Period,zero,nada.
    That primarily the right has decided to wage a grinding war against a law they hate is undeniable imo. I personally believe the right is wrong on this issue and their pursuits are counterproductive and ultimately damaging to the GOP.

  63. So Rutherford has some DNA that prevents him from saying it but for the most part he’s anti-abortion/pro-life depending on how feels about the labeling.
    This leaves me as the sole pro-choice voice on the panel methinks.

    I will say to Rutherford that looking at the technocratic solution via the AMA is folly. Their position on abortion is that it is allowable for physicians to perform abortions where legal.
    Ironically their position on capital punishment is longer and that MDs should not participate in it as it…wait for the irony…..A physician, as a member of a profession dedicated to preserving life when there is hope of doing so, should not be a participant in a legally authorized execution emphasis mine.

  64. Calling HRC an extremist on abortion is laughable in my opinion.

    What’s laughable is safe, legal and RARE. 60M and counting. Sorry Alfie, but anyone in favor of the positions Hillary takes about abortion, including up to the birth of the child is extreme in any sense of the definition.

    In fact, about 9% of the America holds the position Hillary Clinton takes with respect to abortion.

  65. Do you support the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake?

    Asked and answered several times now – and apparently (and surprisingly) you agree with me that revoking the license is proper punishment.

  66. Don’t really care to get bogged down on this but @ Tex Gallup begs to differ for one. USA has pretty much been 50/50 since 73.
    I personally don’t care about 60 million and there’s a long list of reasons why with lifer hypocritical positions rocking the top ten.
    Facts not emotions is the only cure. You want end abortion you need something other than current diktats.

  67. Tigre,
    On a couple of topics. First thanks for elaborating on the Atlanta housing situation. That level of detail is more what I was looking for. I also need to read Alfie’s link. I think blaming racism alone for anything tends to be too easy (same for sexism). But it is interesting that some of what makes black neighborhoods “undesirable” does link back to factors steeped in historical racism.

    You said Atlanta was not historically diverse. How far back are you going? For years I’ve been under the impression that Atlanta is THE buppie capital of the country.

    On your comment regarding pushers and users, as you know punishment of users has filled our prisons and there is a new wave of thought (even among conservatives) that abuse should be handled medically, not criminally. As an aside, I find it fascinating that heroin OD’s are now a crisis when white Vermont residents start croaking – millions of dead blacks later. Typical.

  68. “Asked and answered several times now – and apparently (and surprisingly) you agree with me that revoking the license is proper punishment.”

    Presumably your “Keep it out of the criminal justice system and regulate it within the medical community” is a yes.

    Cheers, Rutherford. You hold the same position on abortion as DWS.

    And it’s you who agrees with me on the penalty, dunderhead. I knowingly gave you your answer and this is how you repay me by giving yourself way too much credit for knowing for own mind. You were/are still crafting your position while I’ve maintained mine in thread after thread after thread.

  69. “You said Atlanta was not historically diverse. How far back are you going? For years I’ve been under the impression that Atlanta is THE buppie capital of the country.”

    Atlanta has been “black” for generations. I think you reversed the inference. Buppie is new. But the influx of white urban dwellers (and hispanics and asians and gays) has taken off. We are still politically controlled by blacks at the local level. Remember, I am talking about the city of Atlanta, not the burbs and what is more properly referred to as “metro Atlanta, though still a large black population. In some ways, I am a pioneer in my neighborhood.

    As for users v. pushers, there is a growing trend (and by the way a lot depends on where) for treatment above incarceration. Muffy got my point. Two sides of the same “transaction” so to speak.

  70. p.s. there is however a difference between what you mean by Buppie and traditional poor black urban. There is quite a difference.

  71. “All that said we’ll just have to go on record as disagreeing that HRC history and position on abortion is far from extreme.”

    Understood. Thanks for the elaboration and let the record show that I call a position whereupon the holder supports the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake “extreme.”

    This (abortion) is “settled,” that (the right to arms) is killing the children. This other (speech) falls under do as I say, not as I say I do. Unable to win the debate, like so many issues, the left hides behind cuddly words like “safe” and self-serving, convenient ones like “legal,” and flat out lies like “rare.” Abortion is notably one of if not the only important issue in which the left believes the government should not be involved. Except when it comes time to pay the bill.

  72. Alfie your contrast between the AMA take on abortion vs death penalty kinda proves they’re not the best source of enforcement. My bad.

    Of course the other question is, is there a national licensing body or are doctors licensed state by state? Tex?

  73. Muffy, the only thing you’ve done thread after thread on the abortion issue is be difficult.

    You’ve failed to prove Hillary is an anytime, anywhere, abortion advocate – which would be the extreme. So she’s not an extremist. You’re simply wrong. And what DWS has to say about it has nothing to do with what Hillary has to say about it.

    Abortion is notably one of if not the only important issue in which the left believes the government should not be involved.

    How you wrote that with a straight face is beyond me. You do know the flipside has been argued repeatedly, namely that abortion is the rare issue where Republicans want the government to stick their nose in.

    I think Alfie nailed it. Abortion hypocrites can be found on both sides of the aisle.

  74. Except when it comes time to pay the bill.

    LOL So says the Republican who fights tooth and nail for birth and then tells the baby “pull yourself up by your bootstraps like my grandpappy did!”

    Puhleeeze.

  75. “Muffy, the only thing you’ve done thread after thread on the abortion issue is be difficult.”

    And you’ve been easy. Too easy.

    Sorry you got your nose tweaked over one of your imaginary Toady Twitter friends proving himself to be a rank partisan jackass.

    Your views on abortion match perfectly to the wicked witch’s other flying monkey, DWS, and your spurious grievances about solutions other people offer are straight up MSNBC talking points, all the way up until you adopt those same solutions as your own.

    “You’ve failed to prove Hillary is an anytime, anywhere, abortion advocate – which would be the extreme. So she’s not an extremist. You’re simply wrong. And what DWS has to say about it has nothing to do with what Hillary has to say about it.”

    Have I proven DWS’s views on abortion to be extreme? Yours?

    I think the answer is yes.

    What legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake does Hillary not support?

    I think the answer is none.

    Once more. I call a position whereupon the holder supports the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake “extreme.” That includes Hillary. DWS. And you, dear boy.

  76. USA has pretty much been 50/50 since 73.

    That’s abortion in the first trimester, Alfie. That is not Hillary Clinton’s abortion policy, up and to the end of the 3rd trimester.

  77. “LOL So says the Republican who fights tooth and nail for birth and then tells the baby “pull yourself up by your bootstraps like my grandpappy did!” “

    Says 46 phrases and giggles!

  78. And you, dear boy.

    You’re losing on reading comprehension too. One more time:

    No abortion unless mother’s life is at risk.

    That’s just eight words. Is that too hard for you?

  79. I call a position whereupon the holder supports the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake “extreme.”
    I call that extreme.

  80. You Clintonian weasel.

    Do you or do you not support the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake?

    “Keep it out of the criminal justice system and regulate it within the medical community” is a yes.

    Done.

  81. LOL I’m beginning to really enjoy you Muffy. “Do you or do you not…” and my answer is yes?

    Yup I am giggling like a minion. 😂😂😂😂

  82. “I call that extreme.

    OK. What is “that?”

    “Also by the definitions on the table I’m extreme as well.”

    Well good for you.

    If you support the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake then I agree, your views on abortion are extreme.

  83. @Rutherford – giggling at a truncated pasted quote, minion, or really giggling at Alfie having gifted you with some fresh ideas about what you can think. What a relief that must be for you. Now when your string is pulled we’ll hear, “Also by the definitions on the table I’m extreme as well.”

  84. Trump shows that the idea of the GOP being the party of social conservatives is actually a crock of shit.

    That’s why I’ve been saying social conservatives need to break clear away from the Republican Party. This country is going to hell in a handbasket and there is no denying the decay in every shame, form and facet. Debt, infrastructure, jobs, the military, social mores, public schools, racial relations.

    The writing is on the wall.

    Of course, the author David Frum, was also a big Obama fan masquerading as Republican. I hope Frum’s wisdom isn’t counted upon either. Frum is none too bright.

    Now would be as good a time as any to make a clean break and utterly break the Republican Party this election.

    I am actually looking forward to Clinton as President. It’s exactly what this country now deserves – catastrophe.

  85. If you support the legal right to abort at any time for any reason even when the life of the mother is not at stake then I agree, your views on abortion are extreme.

    Pretty scary, isn’t it? That position is on par with eugenics, Nazism, Khmer Rouge, etc…

    Unfortunately Muffy, I’m finding these opinions pretty common anymore. Just a matter of time…

  86. I’m not a fan of Frum, either. I didn’t even read that piece. I couldn’t care less what he has to say.

    But the points Ace makes in the article I linked make a lot of sense, including his addendum in response to his comments section.

    Ace is always full of snark and that’s why I really enjoy his work. But hidden in his often cynical humor are usually a lot of great points.

  87. The worst part is, Tex..I’m not convinced Trump can’t win.

    At this point my biggest worry is what happens after the election. Regardless of who wins, it won’t be pretty. The winner’s policies won’t be pretty and the loser’s response won’t be pretty.

    Stock up on popcorn, folks.

  88. Trump may win, if you consider that a win. Until Trump plays America for the rubes they are. These people that believe an entertainment mogul that redistributes wealth and preys on the idiocy of people bad at math is going to bring manufacturing back amuses me.

    But it won’t be Trump’s popularity that wins – it will be the corrupt plutocrat he runs against.

    And I don’t disagree this nation is more secular by the day either. But I also notice the more secular it becomes, the worse it is becoming.

  89. I’m telling you guys, Libertarians are the way to go.

    Yeah, they’ll protect the freedoms of people and ideas you don’t like. But they’ll protect your freedoms, too.

    If you try and have it all, you’ll end up with nothing.

  90. @ Muffy I find failing to support abortion as an option at any time extreme. I think perhaps folks here take a very one dimensional morality based position on the subject. I concede that is a very sound position,pretty solid if you overlook all of the similar stuff your type ignores or screams about.

  91. And I don’t disagree this nation is more secular by the day either. But I also notice the more secular it becomes, the worse it is becoming.

    I believe Trump won among evangelicals in IN. Tex I’m not even sure you have your finger on the pulse of RELIGIOUS America anymore. I think you may truly be lost in a time gone by.

  92. “I personally believe the right is wrong on this issue and their pursuits are counterproductive and ultimately damaging to the GOP.”

    Oh no. I am damaging the GOP. How will I sleep tonight?

    There will be a day when pro choice evil will be looked upon the same way as pro slavery evil of yesteryear. Might be a 100 years from now, might be a thousand.

    Killing a baby is evil. And when the heart beats, its a baby. It’s not a cyst. It’s not a tad pole. It’s a defenseless and 100% innocent (sorry Catholic Church, I disagree) human being.

  93. “Stock up on popcorn, folks”

    Stock up on ammo, folks.

    Trump will speed up the inevitable. Vote Trump.

    Tex, you called this almost 8 years ago. It’s starting to happen.

  94. I saw someone in a comments section mention the Constitution Party. Was way too religiously oriented for me, but might appeal to some here looking for a voting alternative.

    I am no way making predictions, and maybe it’s just wishful thinking, but I wouldn’t be shocked at all to start seeing some more alternative parties in Congress relatively sooner than later.

  95. “I find failing to support abortion as an option at any time extreme.”

    And?

    I find supporting abortion all the way up until the day of the birth when the mother’s life is not at stake extreme.

    “I think perhaps folks here take a very one dimensional morality based position on the subject. I concede that is a very sound position,pretty solid if you overlook all of the similar stuff your type ignores or screams about.”

    I don’t know which “folks here” you’re referring too, nor what you think my type is. But I’m beginning to wonder if you’re not just way off base here.

  96. On MSNBC, Steve Schmidt perfectly diagnosed the Trump problem, pointing to, among other things, the demise of conservative intellectuals (e.g. Buckley).

  97. Tex I’m not even sure you have your finger on the pulse of RELIGIOUS America anymore. I think you may truly be lost in a time gone by.

    No doubt. The Bible doesn’t speak about being “religious.” Anybody that calls themselves an Evangelical Christian and votes for Trump is both a fraud and an imbecile.

    It is possible that America has passed me by, Rutherford. But if you believe that has me worried, not for the reasons an atheist like you might think. That’s the part you most definitely don’t understand.

    However, as I’ve told you before, Mr. R. History is not a linear line – it’s a series of concentric circles. Man keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. America is not any different – and it too will fail, perhaps in our lifetime.

    Beginning to look that way to me.

  98. Think about this. With Cruz, Trump had to go fictional with JFK assassination and extramarital affairs. But with Clinton he can go full tabloid and it’s NOT fiction.

    Not since the late 90’s will we have heard Monica Lewinsky’s name so often. This is going to get very nasty.

  99. Not since the late 90’s will we have heard Monica Lewinsky’s name so often. This is going to get very nasty.

    I have been serious when I said I conceded two months ago to not caring now. There are going to be a lot more people joining you R in the stressed line soon.

    Not me, though. 🙂 America will reap what it has sown and your man Obama history will write played no small part. I feel adequately prepared for what awaits us.

  100. “On MSNBC, Steve Schmidt perfectly diagnosed the Trump problem…”

    There is no “Trump problem”. There is a party problem.

    Trump is not the disease, he is the symptom.

  101. Chemo is poison, not medicine. That is a big part of the west’s issue and reinforces why this battle is for our mind. As a culture, we no longer know what real medicine is. Americans are the first to use poisons as cures and preventatives. They are not. That is just another proof we are good at killing and destruction. And we e all suffer for it. Contaminated soil, contaminated water, contaminated air, contaminated life, contaminated creation.

  102. I’m not going to vote for Trump because I believe he is honest or has what it takes to be a good president. He’s a blowhard and a dangerous populist. It’s a huge risk and I don’t blame anyone for not voting for him.

    What he does do is draw the lines very clearly so that everybody will have to pick a side. Yes, even Tex won’t sit this out, although he vehemently disagrees now. Since the day comes when this will take place anyways, why wait?

    He has already done wonders showing what the true colors of the left are and the game hasn’t even started yet.

    America must see the treasonous rump roast of left. It must see their true goals. It wants to destroy everything that I and millions like me deem to be American.

    There will be no pretences. The left must be destroyed just like radical Islam.

    They are violent, want to Balkanize America, pit race vs race, class vs class gender vs gender, mother vs baby in the womb, destroy our culture and take our basic civil rights away.

    Their main motivation to do this is vague bigotry and hatred for America becuase they deem the founding fathers to be the enemy. Self loathing and nihilistic Trotskyites hiding behind the sneaky schemes of Saul Alinsky. Well, Trump negates the Alinsky factor. It forces these fucks to show their cards and play their hand.

    For example it will force rubes like Rutherford to throw his support behind thug Mexican flag waving enemies of America. He unwittingly supports these thugs now. He will be out of the closet.

    I’m voting Trump so that maybe my kids won’t have to 20 years from now.

  103. “For my individual part my mind is made up. I will never more be responsible for him by my direct support—even though the consequence should be the election of Jefferson. If we must have an enemy at the head of the Government, let it be one whom we can oppose & for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures. Under Adams as under Jefferson the government will sink. The party in the hands of whose chief it shall sink will sink with it and the advantage will all be on the side of his adversaries.” — Alexander Hamilton on Adams versus Jefferson

  104. My only concern about this upcoming election, is that to the best of my knowledge, my ballot has never had a place for a “write-in” vote. You color your square and feed the machine. Simple, fast and leaves a paper trail.

    I want to make absolutely sure that if I do such a thing, it doesn’t invalidate the rest of my votes. I’m still going to support the party warts and all, minus Trump.

    That way, we can get to working on impeaching Trump the minute he turns fascist in the event he wins. Democrats may prove useful yet for the first time in my life besides teaching our youth what not to be.

  105. Damn this liberal fascism is a fast disease.

    Both these two prizewinning lie machines will hasten the process.

  106. Hey Alfie Im sorry about my last reply. I was rude to you and youre unfailingly polite to me, and patient. I feel particularly sucky because you were specifically answering a request for clarification.

  107. We knew this was coming. I will vote for Trump, and if he wins I will know that at least Hillary will suffer emotionally for what was denied her twice.

    I think Trump might still win the election.

    Trump and Sanders are symptons of the disease, and I don’t think much will change.

    North Omaha, a black city has a cultural problem. Conditions are so bad it has become a stereotype.

  108. Trump IS the left with an ill fitting elephant suit on. There is no difference. A vote for trump IS the same as a hillary vote. They both give it all up for their global corporation buddies. The ISMs are all slices of the same shit pie we are all being force fed.

  109. @ Muffy no apologies needed. It’s a BIG topic and my writing style can be frustrating enough without the heavy subject matter.

  110. Trump is not the symtom, he is the medicine.

    He’s chemotherapy.

    Rabbit this is exactly what McCain advisor Nicolle Wallace said. I was pretty impressed when she said it months ago and I think you’re onto something.

    As for your subsequent speech, wow are you looking through shades. Trump uncovered the asses of BOTH Republicans and Democrats. The WHOLE machine is broken and all your wailing about evil liberals doesn’t change that.

  111. Trump uncovered how uneducated American voters are. How rank & file is one think but just rank is another. In fact I walk that back a bit. He didn’t uncover this he reinforced the prior knowledge from our lesson on Obama.

  112. I’m surprised you just heard about the porn attack Tigre. Resulted in a bunch of Sanders FB pages being temporarily shut down and apparently the porn included the illegal variety.

    Many many HRC followers are pure scum. I interact with them on Twitter. High levels of anger and resentment even when they’re winning.

  113. Don’t Hamilton’s words scream ”drama queen” some 240 years later?

    Besides, the dude didn’t have sufficient judgment to avoid getting his ass blown away by Aaron Burr.

  114. Don’t Hamilton’s words scream ”drama queen” some 240 years later?

    Personally, I found them incredibly wise – naturally, you wouldn’t. You are consistently empty.

    What it screams is how stupid people have become in America 240 years later.

  115. I apologize for opening the stall door again but for fucks sale the DoJ has written a letter that is absolutely stupid! Although nonbinding it intentionally lies about sex,gender and how it relates to the Civil Rights Act. Uuuuuuuuhgggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!! 😤😱😠😡😳

  116. Poolman I take your video and raise you one John Oliver. Whether you like Oliver or not this 20 mins is worth every second.

    To quote the great and wise El Tigre, we are truly fucked.

  117. Tex let me be more specific. Hamilton predicted the fall of our government. Unless I grossly misunderstand what country I live in, the government didn’t fall and BOTH Adams and Jefferson proved to actually be above average presidents.

    Hence, drama queen.

    P.S. His words actually do apply better to Clinton and Trump than they do to Adams and Jefferson.

  118. Alexander Hamilton opposed slavery, and he envisioned a diverse economy which offered opportunity to a variety of people.He believed in the power of hard work and rising through education and ability. Persons of noble birth in his opinion were not predestined for the top of the heap.

    In that sense, our government may still remain, but it and our society have changed in ways which would have troubled him.

    If the DoJ has written a stupid letter we will see more such letters if Hillary is elected.

  119. Of course no one talks about the dirty secret that Hamilton himself was black just as Warren G. Harding was. Obama was not the first black president (nor was Bill Clinton) 😉

  120. “Hamilton predicted the fall of our government”

    You need to consider the historical context, Rutherford. At that point our government was very, very new. There was no assurance of any kind that this grand experiment was going to succeed. Its fall was something that was a very real possibility.

    So just because Hamilton made a prediction that didn’t come to be, that doesn’t mean he was a drama queen for making it.

    Like Tex, I find that quote to be a wise and prudent position. If someone is going to mess something up, let it be someone from the group you aren’t in. That way when it happens, the group you are in will come out on top. Kind of tough to argue with that logic, wouldn’t you agree?

    You can snark on Alexander Hamilton all you want. I personally have a great deal of respect for his forethought and political genius.

  121. Ok, I guess in his time, that wasn’t a drama queen statement. In fact I guess if you’d told him we’d still be around 240 years later, he would not have believed it. USA incredibly durable.

    So on that note, and in keeping with you, Tex and Alexander, I shall vote for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. I hope you and Tex will join me. 😊

  122. Huck, the DOJ letter is just par for the course. It;s why we can’t have a third Obama term via Felonious Rotten Clinton. It’s just disgusting in its falsity, intent and precedent.

    But based on what I read, I want to say that I am feeling kinda black and discriminated against. Will Obama recognize that?

  123. “Will Obama recognize that?” Hell no,unless it is to celebrate.

    I would love to see Bernie be a first ballot winner.This resembles a NASCAR race, “you take friends where you find them.”

  124. “I hope you and Tex will join me.”

    No, I am voting Bernie in the primary to counter Hillary, and then Libertarian in the general.

  125. Huck Alfie, the DOJ letter is just par for the course. It;s why we can’t have a third Obama term via Felonious Rotten Clinton. It’s just disgusting in its falsity, intent and precedent.”

    Although, I do agree its an over-reach.

  126. The DOJ plainly misrepresenting the law and threatening enforcement based on the misrepresentation is vile.

    Overreach my ass.

    It’s the fucking DOJ. And like the IRS, it’s out of control.

  127. Damn Huck. I would’ve thought your reaction more vociferous given your take on the Obama executive “overreach.”

  128. “No, I am voting Bernie in the primary to counter Hillary, and then Libertarian in the general.”

    Huck, what if Bernie went on to win the general?

  129. Sorry ET. Frankly I really don’t know much about the issue to share in the outrage. I haven’t had much time lately to delve into the national sewer. I’ve got a lot of things going on right now that are taking my attention. Not big deal kind of things, but things, nonetheless. Admittedly, I haven’t really had the interest in making time, either.

    From what little I’ve read (which is very), I took that the DoJ is sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong. That seemed like overreach to me. What you’re talking about seems to me like the method of the overreach. Either way, its Obama being Obama. Get ready for more because either option we have is going to continue his heavy-handed and unconstitutional patterns.

    Muffy, I don’t think Bernie would win the general. To play along with the “what if”, I imagine if he did he would just speed the pace of our decline. We’re just about in free fall mode now, so “what difference at this point does it make?”

    Every vote Bernie gets weakens Hillary before she ever takes the oath.

  130. Every vote Bernie gets weakens Hillary before she ever takes the oath.

    That’s exactly why I want him in until the very end. I want her limping into Philadelphia.

  131. Trump said something interesting. He wants a running mate who can work with Congress so he (Trump) doesn’t have to resort to executive orders.

    Mmm, that commrnt is worth pondering.

  132. Yeah. It does make me ponder. Maybe after Trump the Troll-tyrant, the left will join the right in a new found respect of the Constitution. Becuase, as of right now, liberals don’t give a flying fuck about our Republic.

  133. My logic may be faulty. I’m thinking Donald will destroy Hillary but how do you destroy someone who has no shame? Maybe he can’t destroy her because no one cares what a scumbag she is?

    As for the internecine GOP conflict, this looks to me like more than Trump v establishment. This is THE PEOPLE v the establishment. Trump is a figure head for the angry crowd.

  134. “Maybe he can’t destroy her because no one cares what a scumbag she is?”

    Well of course…. We are talking liberals, here.

  135. The country isn’t composed of only liberals. If she defeats Trump it will be because people like you didn’t fight hard enough … and that she’s Teflon coated.

  136. No! Ryan is looking to shore up his little bit of the world so he can 2020. The concerns of down ticket death are real enough.

  137. Is the down ticket thing really a problem? I know it’s touted to be but I don’t get it. It suggests a Republican would vote for HRC and then straight down the dem “column”. I don’t see how any but the dumbest indiscriminate voter would do that.

  138. Hillary’s succession will be on democrats. The truth is as bad as she is, she isnt as bad as Obama. Also on democrats.

    Liberals cant escape accountability. They shit where they eat.

  139. I don’t know how many/if any are really sweating but there is a complex dynamic.
    1. You have to be careful with supporting or bitching about Trump since either way there’s $$ at stake if nothing else.
    2. The perception versus the reality of Trumps actual policies confuses down ticket campaigning. It’s easier to be ” not the (R)” in that case.
    3. The media will ask every R now and for some time stuff like: do you AGREE on spun policies such as kick out little kids,yell at females etc.

  140. Paul said somewhat recently, naybe 6-8 months ago that they just needed a Republican president to not veto everything.

  141. ” I don’t think Bernie would win the general. To play along with the “what if”, I imagine if he did he would just speed the pace of our decline. We’re just about in free fall mode now, so “what difference at this point does it make?”

    Every vote Bernie gets weakens Hillary before she ever takes the oath.”

    To what end though?

    Say she is sufficiently weakened. What is the desired goal? She is so weakened she loses the general? Or she is less of a tyrant?

  142. A weakened Hillary gets fewer votes even if she wins, and the effect is that she drags fewer other local and national officer holders across the finish line,

  143. Well, Huck. I getcha.

    As an attorney, I am stunned at the unethical behavior of the DOJ. It occupies a special position. For it to deliberately misapply the law to further an unconstitutional exercise of executive authority is a pretty big deal in my book. Abusive. Infuriating.

  144. The down ballot effect that is clear to me is folks simply not voting at all.

    So which contingent will be less motivated to show up, the Pubs or the Dems?

  145. “Say she is sufficiently weakened. What is the desired goal? She is so weakened she loses the general? Or she is less of a tyrant?”

    An overall lack of (or at least a reduction in) confidence.

    Confidence that she can win, and even if she does, confidence that enough people really support her so that she can’t give us the “this election was a referendum for me to do everything I said I would” thing we’ve heard twice from Obama.

    I want her party to think they have to spend tons of money to get her elected and for her to think she has to spend tons of political capital to get things done.

  146. People are kidding themselves if they believe the democrats can’t coalesce behind Hillary better than the GOP is capable behind Trump.
    Even if Trump makes all the right moves and choices he isn’t a banner holder.

  147. @ Muffy 10:27 absolutely why I think the “fall of the Republic” talk is a bit premature.
    IF either of the two mutts heading to 1600 will allow the House to put forth some stuff,the Senate does the right thing and the Oval actually sign it things will return to the old normal level of Beltway dysfunction.

  148. What a boring four years it will be if HRC gets elected. I won’t have anyone to fight with you guys about.

    We may have to resort to talking sports all the time. I shudder at the thought.

  149. Tigre, you’re that sure? Right now I’m leaning 50/50. Just too damn unpredictable. Too early for polls to matter right now. I honestly don’t know if he can pull enough women and Hispanics to get over the top.

    And don’t rule out a third party candidate launched by the conservative wing of the Pubs. If that happens, it’s President Hillary.

  150. I think it is getting a little late for a third party attempt.

    I also don’t think a Hillary presidency would be boring. Too many problems are lurking about.

    Depending on how Trump behaves and speaks, he could still win the general election. Circumstances also depend on Sanders and his followers.

  151. “Tigre, you’re that sure?”

    No. I just think she’s got to be enraged to meet the onslaught — and she’s at her most repulsive when she does the fake outrage routine.

    Plus I think Trump will wind up making a fool of her along the way enough to keep many home.

    I also don’t think the Dem rage machine will work.

  152. “I think Trump is going to smoke her in the general.”

    Do you reallly? Man… I don’t know. By this I really mean I don’t know. At all.

    I’m shocked when I talk to educated elderly and old Reagan democrats. They all say they are holding their nose and voting for Trump.

    Howevet, college educated Gen X slightly leaning left people will come out in droves against Trump.

    My Mrs. Cleaver like mom is voting Trump and she hates the guy. Take in mind my Mom and Dad used to sometimes vote Democrat. They are that disgusted with Obama.

    If I was forced to bet, I’d bet Clinton by a landslide. However this is the kind of election where I think people are going to be off by land slide amounts in the outcome. In fact… I’m calling someone by a landslide. At this minute anyways.

  153. Hillary came to East LA today and was met by a huge protest. Word is she talked to only a small crowd for less than 15 minutes and then left.

  154. That’s what they are being called, but I can’t say I saw any Bernie traces in signs or shirts. I don’t know.

    Has anyone been reading the shit that came out about Ben Rhodes and how he and the Obama administration played the media (and America) for fucking chumps?

    If you haven’t, get your asses over to Ace of Spades HQ immediately. It’s confirmation of what we’ve been saying for years!

  155. Incidentally, I have to point you to that source because the media, for some reason, hasn’t been quick to put it out there that they’ve been played by a failed-fiction-writer-turned-foreign-policy-expert.

    Had this come out in 2012, Hillary would be running against Romney’s 2nd term.

  156. Huck, they dont care. Obama doesn’t. Rutherford doesn’t. The left doesn’t. They don’t care if they get caught, just when they do. Hell….. Sometimes its only a weekend play.

    Let the record show that we called this bull shit out. And, well, Rutherford’s record is here for all to see too.

    They did the same thing with Obamacare. High fiving one another over the lies.

    If I could snap my finger and give the entire MSM leprosy, I’d contemplate it.
    Of course, I’d let our little rube micro-echo chamber here off the hook. But the rest of them…..

    This is exactly why we have Trump.

  157. It’s not even a matter of getting caught. They’re bragging about it. They created “an echo chamber” that included “force multipliers” to create a “narrative”. Those are their words. Some in the press were aware of it all…but most weren’t. They’d just start repeating what others were saying and a story would quickly become “fact”.

    When the only fact was that it was all bullshit.

    All of it.

  158. Here is where the story starts. As the WSJ wrote today, it was meant to be a “puff piece” bragging up Rhodes. But it has created a shit storm. Ace has commentary and links to several other stories that have already spawned from this since it broke yesterday.

  159. Rhodes singled out a key example to me one day, laced with the brutal contempt that is a hallmark of his private utterances. “All these newspapers used to have foreign bureaus,” he said. “Now they don’t. They call us to explain to them what’s happening in Moscow and Cairo. Most of the outlets are reporting on world events from Washington. The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That’s a sea change. They literally know nothing.”

    In this environment, Rhodes has become adept at ventriloquizing many people at once. Ned Price, Rhodes’s assistant, gave me a primer on how it’s done. The easiest way for the White House to shape the news, he explained, is from the briefing podiums, each of which has its own dedicated press corps. “But then there are sort of these force multipliers,” he said, adding, “We have our compadres, I will reach out to a couple people, and you know I wouldn’t want to name them — ”

    “I can name them,” I said, ticking off a few names of prominent Washington reporters and columnists who often tweet in sync with White House messaging.

    Price laughed. “I’ll say, ‘Hey, look, some people are spinning this narrative that this is a sign of American weakness,’ ” he continued, “but — ”

    “In fact it’s a sign of strength!” I said, chuckling.

    “And I’ll give them some color,” Price continued, “and the next thing I know, lots of these guys are in the dot-com publishing space, and have huge Twitter followings, and they’ll be putting this message out on their own.”


    The story goes on to discuss how they used this to sell the Iran nuke deal.


    As Malley and representatives of the State Department, including Wendy Sherman and Secretary of State John Kerry, engaged in formal negotiations with the Iranians, to ratify details of a framework that had already been agreed upon, Rhodes’s war room did its work on Capitol Hill and with reporters. In the spring of last year, legions of arms-control experts began popping up at think tanks and on social media, and then became key sources for hundreds of often-clueless reporters. “We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”


    But now we’re finding out that Rhodes had his hand in creating the Benghazi narrative, too. And they are already calling this “a model for how future administrations explain foreign policy to Congress and the public.”

    Hate him all you want (and there’s plenty of reason to), but Chomsky has been raging about this for decades.

  160. Just in case people think they were seeing things, I trashed my last comment. I hadn’t refreshed my browser and didn’t realize my question was already answered.

  161. Hate him all you want (and there’s plenty of reason to), but Chomsky has been raging about this for decades.

    And that implies what I was going to remind you. This is not new. It did NOT start with Obama and there’s nothing distinctly liberal about it.

    The Bush admin owned Fox News. They told Fox what to report. And with complicity of the entire unquestioning MSM, they led us to believe Sadam had nukes.

    So as long as you aim your outrage at the entire political spin machine, I’m with you.

  162. I’ll take shameful Republicans for $100.00 – This man called Donald Trump a cancer and now says he’s “talented” and is open to being Trump’s VP.

    Who is Rick Perry?

    Ding ding ding ding!

  163. So I’m in Rabbits neck of the woods tonight and tomorrow night for the kids gymnastics regional championship.

    70 fucking mile per hour roads and the accidents that go with them. One car was clear off the highway at an angle in the tall grass. When I snapchatted it, I captioned it “This driver just found out Trump is GOP nominee”. 😀😀😀

  164. James when I said an HRC admin would be boring I simply meant you won’t be getting the usual defenses (and debate) from me. I can’t stand her, even when she spouts policies I like. I swear she may turn me into a “compassionate conservative”.

  165. Chomsky published “Manufacturing Consent” in ’88, so we’re talking well before Bush or Fox News. This isn’t a network thing, it’s media-wide.

    The main difference between Chomsky’s thesis and what we’re seeing today is that today the media is an unwitting and passive ally, rather than a very active one. To hear Rhodes et al say it, they literally played everyone in the press. Bush may have owned Fox News, but Fox News was aware of what they were doing.

  166. And don’t think your usual “this is no big deal because everyone does it” defense of Obama’s lying ass hasn’t gone unnoticed.

  167. I never defend Barack unless I think he’s being singled out. Then I do get pissed.

    But I do have a very legit Barack-bash for you. He actually blamed our opinion of the economy on the skewed media coverage we hear.

    WTF???? My opinion of the economy comes from not earning a steady living for ten years. He’s an arrogant asshole on this one.

  168. Rutherford…. You are not in my neck of the woods, dude. You are on the East Side.

    Come on over for dinner tomorrow.

  169. “I never defend Barack unless I think he’s being singled out. Then I do get pissed.”

    Lol. You funny.

  170. You should meet up, Rutherford. It’s always a memorable experience hooking up with Internet friends. And the opportunities are few.

    Do it

  171. That part of HRC would be boring Rutherford.

    Huck is right. We have met four internet people face to face. One of them gave us a copy of the book she had written about the Gallo family.

  172. Cant we be wrong about these diabolical degenerates just once?

    As bad as we think they are they turn out to be even worse.

  173. I researched Obama before he was elected. These evil people have offered few surprises.

    Voting for the Republican nominee or whomever has a chance of winning is our only way of temporarilly stopping them. A vote for a libertarian, a write in or voting by staying home is a vote for these reptilian shape shifters.

  174. Well again I’m in the minority. I’m the new black lol.
    Rhodes controversy is a manufactured one that is using the same “science” Rhodes used to build it.

  175. “I never defend Barack unless I think he’s being singled out. Then I do get pissed.”

    LOL.

    “But I do have a very legit Barack-bash for you. He actually blamed our opinion of the economy on the skewed media coverage we hear.”

    Literally the first time I’ve seen you contest the bullshit. When it comes to force multipliers, you’re “that guy.”

  176. “Rhodes controversy is a manufactured one that is using the same “science” Rhodes used to build it.”

    I’m not sure we disagree. Huck and I are saying “look, they are bragging about taking advantage of the ignorant rubes”.

    The ego in not being able to stop yourself from laughing with your pinky finger next to your mouth… Wow.

    You are right, that’s been going on for a long time.

    The difference might be the number of Rutherford Rubes.

  177. Rutherford better not stand me up. I have a pot of fava beans simmering that I think will be exquisite.

  178. Tigre, I’ve been griping about the bullshit unemployment rate for ages. You haven’t been listening.

    Rabbit, I wrote you at the only email I have for you. Hopefully you get it.

  179. This week –

    The DOJ letter
    Ben Rhodes’ smug gruber

    What will it be next week?

    That’s the outrage.

  180. Please cut the shit. I have had to correct you on the “bullshit unemployment rate” many times. While you and Thor were applauding the economic boom that never existed, I had to set you straight on labor participation. Hell, you were dancing the Lindy when the “bullshit unemployment rate” was released on the cusp of the 2012 elections.

    Tons of Obama bashing and callin’ him out from Rutherford? My ass.

  181. I love Thor but I never signed on to his back and forth on this. I’m sure Muffy will gladly review the video tape to prove me wrong.

    Long ago, I did defend O’s economic record but by the time Thor jumped on that, I understood the job participation issue, partly due to you, Tex and others.

  182. Obama’s true economic defense depends on a hyothetical. Had he not taken the steps he did, following up on things Bush had initiated, would the economy have gotten worse? OR would it have self-corrected at a faster rate than what we’ve seen?

  183. The hypothetical is wrong. The housing bubble and the conversion of bad mortgages into a world-wide infection, began with the Democrats.Bush and the Republicans warned that the housing market needed better regulation, and Barney Franks told all not to worry.

    The Republicans share blame too, but so do the Democrats. Therefore, Bush did not initiate the crash.

    Read a history of FDR and the Great Depression. It was prolonged in part because of FDR’s policies. One of his men admitted as much shortly before WW11.

    Read what happened in Estonia and Latvia during the past few years and compare them to the US.

  184. Bush did not initiate the crash.

    We’re talking past each other in this thread James. I was saying Bush initiated the solution (TARP) which Obama continued.

  185. It’s been told us by many people in similar ways over numerous generations. Maybe one day we will all figure out these guys on teevee and in the media, many of whom we call politicians and pundits, are just the front men of the control apparatus. The sales staff. The public interface. They do not write their words. They do not plan their moves. They do not initiate policy. They do not freelance. Their job is to sell us and try to pacify our need. They are tasked to raise money while pushing the company line from the get go. The plan is already set and the course predetermined. It is we the people that have to be coaxed into acceptance and submission. It always has been that way.

    If you are told a lie often enough you think it is true.

    Many lies are forged in our psyche. Iron clad. Metal plated. Torqued down.

    I pray for bolt heads twisting off, rivets popping, and heavy metal shedding. Replace our metal with mettle. In that way we won’t be influenced by the world’s magnetic personalities.

  186. “A vote for a libertarian, a write in or voting by staying home is a vote for these reptilian shape shifters.”

    James, when you say this it ignores the basic principle of the electoral college. Do you think Trump will beat Hillary in California? I’m pretty sure that no Republican has taken CA since Reagan, so my vote means jack shit unless it goes for a D. That won’t change until we do away with our current electoral system, or until I move. I see neither happening any time soon.

    I said long ago that the GOP is no longer worthy of my support or my vote. That position came well before Trump or Clinton, and the party has done nothing that prompts me to change it. The Republican party does not represent me, so why should I represent it?

    I’m voting Libertarian because it is the biggest 3rd party going. If a party can get a certain percentage of the vote (I think its 10%), it can start to get public election funds. I’d like to see other parties start to get some congressional seats. I don’t expect that to happen soon, but the process starts by them showing they can get votes.

  187. I think it’s funny that the GOP isn’t also seen as a “reptilian shape shifter.”

    Exactly what has your party done for you since it took full control of Congress? What has it even tried to do?

    They got elected then they told you to fuck off. That’s why we have Trump.

  188. “You are right, that’s been going on for a long time.”

    I said as much.

    And Alfie is wrong. The Rhodes controversy is not using the same “science” because that would require at least a passive MSM involvement. Internet blog media only count as “force multipliers” if there is an initial “force” to actually “multiply”. So far the MSM, which normally serves as that “force” has been pretty quiet on this. Nobody likes to admit they’ve been made someone’s bitch.

  189. Huck I’m not wrong and you haven’t the faintest of what I mean by the science at work. You seem to believe there are still a plethora of qualified,competent and intelligent journalists keeping the Fourth Estate afloat and keeping democracy and the People safe. You’re out of your fucking mind.

  190. I think Alfie and Huck are talking past each other on this one. Clearly competent journalists don’t allow themselves to be someone’s bitch. Seems to me Huck and Alfie agree on this.

  191. Libertarians….I’d love them to get their collective heads out of their asses and stop allowing themselves to be co-opted by others.
    America needs a third party and perhaps even a fourth and fifth. the Libertarians have been trying for some time and their inability to get a seat here and there speaks loudly.

  192. I agree with much of what you wrote, Huck, and I know about California. Our son and daughter in law live there as do other relatives.

    However, it is binary. One of two candidates will win the election presumably with a majority of votes. A vote for one of the two will contribute to his/her taking office. A vote for anyone else will deny one of the two likely contenders a vote. Staying home will too.

    Someone who votes for Sanders or Donald Duck is probably more principled than the norm, and while they take an honest stand, his/her position will not elect a third candidate, but it may defeat Hillary or Trump.

    My principals are in Al Gore’s lock box. Otherwise, I might vote Libertarian too. Trump disgusts me, but I will vote for him so that in the end, I will know I did every thing I did everything legally possible to deny Hillary the presidency.

  193. This issue takes me back to the bad days when I turned in my fellow Airmen for criminal activity. I have flashbacks because I experienced a similar internal struggle. I was the only one who was foolish enough to offer to testify and I think the men who kept quiet were smarter than I. I did change things, but the price was high.

    I don’t condemn them or anyone who refuses to vote for Hillary or Trump. My voting for Trump won’t cost me anything except for the need to take several more showers. I will still be able to look myself in the mirror.

  194. @ Rutherford I gotta go with a NO on that.
    1. I don’t like Rhodes but I don’t think he did anything wrong. So that’s a big one.
    2. I don’t believe the MSM players were as in the dark about their actions. They were not played anymore now than they have in the past. To the degree that “game” has changed is open for debate.
    3. I refer you also to the evolution of the “communications degree”. The basics are this. Just a few years ago this thing was the joke degree,the newest liberal arts nothing burger. Many schools are now looking to it and its adherents to be messengers and crafters. They are looking for this thing to enter every nook and cranny of the economy,politics,healthcare,business and of course policy wonk world.

  195. Poolman, I can’t tell you how much I like to watch Bro. Nathaniel. I wait with bated breath each time to find out what those diabolical Jews have done this time. 😈

  196. “You seem to believe there are still a plethora of qualified,competent and intelligent journalists keeping the Fourth Estate afloat and keeping democracy and the People safe. You’re out of your fucking mind.”

    I’m fairly certain that I don’t believe that and I’m fairly certain that the entire point of what I have been saying and what Rhodes has bragged about is that there isn’t. Why do you think I included the portion about FP journalists are now only based in Washington and call him for content instead of going out and working for it? Pull your head out of your ass, man.

    I’m also fairly certain that the “science” Rhodes used was clearly spelled out, and has been for years. So if you have something else in mind for what that “science is” then make your fucking point.

    It seems you’ve had to be told that far too often lately. You come in here with your bullshit “none of you knows shit” attitude and try and prove that by claiming we are missing points that nobody, including you, is making.

    Make your fucking point or shut the fuck up about others not getting it. There aren’t any freebie here.

  197. “Libertarians….I’d love them to get their collective heads out of their asses and stop allowing themselves to be co-opted by others.”

    I’d love that, too. If you think that’s what I’ve done then you’re the one that doesn’t have the faintest idea about what I mean.

    “the Libertarians have been trying for some time and their inability to get a seat here and there speaks loudly.”

    I think that might be because some of their ideas regarding “liberty” are a bit extreme. Platforms like “all drugs should be legal” just don’t sit well with a lot of people.

  198. “I don’t like Rhodes but I don’t think he did anything wrong. So that’s a big one.”

    You’re not getting it. We aren’t saying he did anything wrong. We’re saying he did what we’ve been saying all along was being done. The big story is that it is being bragged about.

    “I don’t believe the MSM players were as in the dark about their actions. They were not played anymore now than they have in the past. To the degree that “game” has changed is open for debate.”

    Then you either did not read the article or had an issue with comprehending its contents. It could not have been any more clear. And yes, it’s because the game has changed.

    You seem to think you’ve got some nuanced handle on all of this that none of the rest of us share. Think again.

  199. @ Huck YOUR links and their connected links use exactly the same methods of Rhodes ergo my statement. I actually checked your links and the larger view held on the topic. You’re the one playing pretentious prick denying shit and blinking- not me. Go reread your own shit since you offered up a chunk of what I based my response on.

    Your foundation and even more so YOUR off site right wing nut allies foundation is that Rhodes did something wrong. That Rhodes talking points on Iran were a range of untrue,incomplete or even manufactured.That Rhodes and by extension Obama have yet again sinned against the People. I disagree and get a ration of Huck stew spew. Thanks.

    Your repeated position earlier that Rhodes “played” people speaks counter to your most recent protestation against me.

    In the future when you bring up something I’ll be very specific,or at least as much as my personal time allows to point out why I disagree with YOU King Fucking Huck.Either that or I’ll ignore you,but more so the former since I don’t come here for you.

    When I offer an opinion here or anywhere else it is never from a position that “I know best and x doesn’t know shit” That’s your fucking game and now you double down with a weak shout down of another opinions.

  200. Previous posted prior to Hucks latest so here we go again.
    Go reread your linked articles and then go wading in the other sources as well. The theme of the story line isn’t the bragging but since you bring up that word. Yeah,fuck you and sue me I don’t see it as bragging so if bragging is twisting your nuts grow the fuck up.

    The “game” hasn’t changed recently or in the 70’s. Personally I’d take a stab at the 1930’s-40’s. Over that time the game had more players and more movement than todays narrowed media ownership scheme. I personally fail to see how its any big twist.

    Lastly. It isn’t nuance you pompous, cock sucking, petulant douchebag. Pope Huck check your catechism it ain’t a sin for somebody to have an opinion counter to yours.

  201. Yeah I am one who thinks their zealous position on drugs doesn’t work for a lot of reasons. That comes as a bit of shock for me since I’m not a fan of the “war on drugs” as I view it as a corrupter of the police and a burden on society. I just can’t reconcile that with the very personal and studies backed stuff that rampant drugs are also corrupters of society. Some drugs can and should be decriminalized. Others absolutely not.
    I need to go for a walk. I need a fresh air,blood pressure lowering mind clearing walk. I’ll close not with an apology but a repeat of something I’ve typed here before. I HATE THREAD BASED DIALOG.

  202. I forgot to tell you Huck that I doubt Trump will beat Hillary in California just as I believe a third party attempt is as hopeless an endever as a chimera.

  203. So, 3 bro Nate questions:
    1) Tex did you watch the video or make the excellent guess that it was antisemitic? If you guessed, you guessed right.

    2) Pools, Bro Nate doesn’t seem to know the difference between a transvestite and a transsexual. No one is calling for tranvestites to use the bathroom that matches their attire.

    3) I have to wonder who makes a buck off the Brother Nate “Foundation”. 😏

  204. “No one is calling for tranvestites to use the bathroom that matches their attire.”

    Now that is some total bull shit. There are all kinds of people on the left calling for exactly that. Wow. Wake up.

  205. Maybe I’m missing a nuance here but I thought the NC fiasco revolved around transgender folks.

    Let’s get our definitions straight. Transvestites (male) are mostly gay guys who like to dress as women. Even hetero transvestites identify as their birth gender.

    That’s distinctly different from someone believing they were born “in the wrong body” which is some complicated shit that some folks believe need civil rights protection.

    Transvestites do not garner the same sympathies from the medical community as transsexuals.

  206. Br Nate is going to be very conservative when it comes to gender and roles, obviously. He was raised a Jew but converted to orthodox Christianity. He’s been hustling for some time. His style was set about to attract attention, something he has done for decades. If you don’t have a lot of money, get a gimmick. The foundation is there to get the message out and provide support. There’s already a Rutherford foundation, but you should still take note. 🙂 I have the beard part just about down, but I won’t wear silly suits or those enormous crosses. At least I don’t feel so led at this point. I side more with Bill Hicks regarding the cross wearing.

  207. That’s distinctly different from someone believing they were born “in the wrong body” which is some complicated shit that some folks believe need civil rights protection.

    What many call “civil rights protection,” millions of us would define trying to categorize clear mental illness as normal.

  208. “Don’t the mentally ill deserve civil rights protection?”

    There goes my first cup of coffee.

    Seriously, what does that possibly mean in your world Rutherford? If it was in the realm of “protecting” mental illness through accommodation, how did you not stop typing mid sentence?

  209. Well Tigre, let’s look at exactly what most of the medical community has done.

    At the outset of this discussion two threads or so ago, I acknowledged that I believe true cases of transgender are more often than not mental illness. But look at how the medical community has responded. Accommodation. Gender reassignment is accommodating the mental illness, not treating it at its core.

    So should our laws offer the same accommodation that the medical community has offered?

  210. Gender reassignment is accommodating the mental illness, not treating it at its core.
    That doesn’t make sense to me. I’d think reassignment surgery to be THE curative action.

  211. @ Rutherford I think the only component of the medical community that could safely be said to have chosen accommodation over science is the psychiatry folks.

  212. @ Rutherford do you believe there is any boundaries to the the civil rights field? I personally believe the whole thing is quite out of hand. Society needs to accept boundaries in the realm of where the individual and society meet. Currently the onus is always thrust upon society. I think we need to walk it all back a bit to where self segregation is respected not denigrated and where common ground open spaces as it were allow for society to gel.

  213. Alfie I’d think the curative approach is getting the mind aligned with the body, not the other way around. I’m not talking about folks with chromosomal abnormalities. I’m talking about folks physically “normal” in every sexual way but unable to accept their biological reality.

  214. @ R I know most professionals view that if you make it to adulthood convinced you’re not the sex you appear you’re not “fixing” that person.
    I will say that the very early stages is where psych works best but unfortunately as stated earlier that field is more open to accommodation than science. There’s work done by UK’s NHS that makes you go wow on the topic.

  215. “But look at how the medical community has responded. Accommodation. Gender reassignment is accommodating the mental illness, not treating it at its core.”

    Are you aware of how much the “medical community” opposes surgical/chemical reassignment?

    The larger point has nothing to do with consensus anyway (though that is a metric that you approach like a moth to flame far too often). The absurdity of what you refer to as a “civil right” to have society indulge your mental illness is extreme. Pedophilia is a mental illness. Are they entitled to have it accepted?

  216. R, I think you need to first contemplate what a “civil right” is before trying to establish its boundaries.

  217. Intersex is a more accurate term than hermaphrodite, or “morfidite” as we called them in grade school.

    For example, my sister in law has Turners Syndrome. She has x0 Chromosomes which causes health problems and will reduce her life span.

    Transgenderism has become a fad, a leftist attempt to change cultural mores. Proponents don’t talk about the suicide rate or the minority of people who reverse the trip back to their original sex.

    For some possibly with different brain wiring or other unknown medical reason so called sex changes may be the only way to live, but I think many people are victims of medical and psychiatric mal -practice.

  218. Don’t the mentally ill deserve civil rights protection?

    In the care of a psychiatric ward. Not in the women’s shower with penis.

  219. I hate to seem such a hater but Tex’s comment brings Cuckoo’s Nest images to my mind:

    Jack Nicholson: What’s HIS problem? He likes to dress up like a woman?

    Nurse Ratchet: No, he thinks he IS a woman.

    To some extent Tex, you’ve nailed it I think.

  220. What about the ignorant fools who pose as reporters because they self identify as such? An Obama aid, Ken Rhodes bragged that the White House reporters were so young and stupid it was easy for the administration to hood wink them.

    Gruber said the same about Americans and Obamacare.

    These people like transexuals who believe they are the opposite sex, THINK they are intelligent and aware, when in reality they are simpletons playing a role.

    Trump fanatics are also equivalent to transsexuals.

    Idiots who act in an unreal world are as crazy as we portray transexuals, but they are more dangerous.

  221. We are preparing to return to Omaha in a couple of hours. I watched some of the Today Show for the first time in months.

    What I saw was one of the most estrogen befouled pieces of crap inducing vomit to pollute my mind since I buried a maggot infested deer someone hit near our home.

    “I hate to seem like such a hater…” This morning, I am “such a hater.”

    This video is an antidote for me this morning. Elton John has had his own challenges and he survived criticism when he sang at Rush Limbaugh’s wedding.

    Surgeons removed part of Anastasia’s intestine to treat Chrone’s Disease she had to re learn to walk at age 13. She has survived two bouts of cancer, and she was so near sighted before lasic surgery that she had to be careful to avoid falling off a stage.

  222. Trump fanatics are also equivalent to transsexuals.

    Lol I guess the conservative third party can use that for a campaign slogan.

  223. DoJ and Lynch overstep and lies like a bitch. You’d think a black chick with the last name ” lynch” would be clearer on actual civil rights issues.

  224. As an example of my prior comment: Trump rightly calls out Hillary’s despicable treatment of women like Monica and the MSM thinks he’s attacking Bill. They don’t get it. He’s attacking HRC.

  225. You just can’t make this shit up. Who has been a recent thorn in the side of HRC? Sidney Blumenthal. Who is now out pimping his new book? Sidney Blumenthal.

    You’d think Hillary would’ve said “Sid, lay low until after November.” But no, they really don’t give a shit. They don’t fear reminding the public of Hillary’s carelessness cos they know her supporters don’t give a damn.

  226. Civil rights: somehow being undeniably black is equal to someone choosing how to urinate on a given day. The symbolism is clear, folks pissing on the blacks. That’s progress they say.

  227. Based on Alfie’s comment, I may have created a misunderstanding. Blumenthal’s new book has nothing to do with HRC. It’s a Lincoln biography. BUT it gives everyone who interviews him on his book tour an opportunity to grill him on HRC.

    I expected Chris Matthews to let him slide by but to my surprise, Matthews let Sid riff on the book for a bit and then asked him if he’d been interviewed by the FBI. Blumenthal evaded the question.

  228. So let’s see Tigre — first the Georgia parents are upset about something that hasn’t even been confirmed as happening. They might as well protest about the “possibility” of the Subway pedo spokesperson being released from jail and giving lectures at the school. 80% of this whole transgender thing is fear mongering, plain and simple.

    Second, and I acknowledge this is important, the notion of CHILDREN being in intersex bathrooms unattended is a problem — not because 9 year old Joey is a pervert – but because little kids like to experiment and “play doctor” and the last thing a school needs is a designated place where kids can go play doctor whenever they please. AGAIN — this points to a problem in the medical community. The notion that any elementary school kid is transgender (or even gay for that matter) is fucking absurd. They don’t know themselves yet. Their minds are still maturing. The medical community should NOT be promoting the notion that a child has any particular sexual proclivity.

    With that said, this is a fix in search of a non-existent problem. In a community where folks pray before they march, there is less than a 1% chance that some 10 year old boy wants access to the girl’s room because he thinks he’s a girl.

  229. Sister Toldjah cited eight or nine cases of men who either pretended to be transexuals or actually were who assaulted women. I remember reading about a Florida ts who was charged with raping a woman years before this controversy meant something.

    The problem is rare but so is late term abortion when an occasional baby survives and is left to die. Obama supported murdering such babies to protect doctor liability, if I recall.

  230. Oh Rutherford, it figures you blame the parents with “non-existent problem” — that being the threat of cutting off funding for the schools through non-compliance with enforcement of fictitious “civil rights” versus having 10 year old kids sharing facilities with 10 year old girls. What a bunch of dumb, religious, rednecks, right?

    Apparently you are unfamiliar with the cross actions emanating from the other dumb, religious, rednecks in North Carolina.

    Thanks for your heavy thinking on this. The predictable is happening.

    Great stuff from Ruth Buzzy Ginsberg long before she was given her state-issued broom to fly on the the erosion of standards leading to unisex bathrooms. Unthinkable.

    But there again, she’s must be a dumb, religious redneck. \

    A less than 1% chance is an astronomical exaggeration, and not only among 10-year olds.

  231. It is happening fast. I’m even seeing it in the conservative enclave I work in. More and more kids demanding to be called “they”, not “he” or “her”.

    This gender thing is becoming a fad. And it’s often about power.

  232. You’ve muddied the issue Rabbit with the “they” thing. There is nothing new about folks wanting “he or she” or “they” in the language so as not to default to male, thereby insulting females.

    If you’re really telling me a boy wants someone to say “they want another slice of pizza” when referring to him, sorry. I don’t believe that’s a thing.

  233. “If you’re really telling me a boy wants someone to say “they want another slice of pizza” when referring to him, sorry. I don’t believe that’s a thing” .

    Have you ever been right about the real world? Ever?

    It is a thing. Repeat. It is a thing.

  234. I don’t know that the medical community is the biggest mover. The feds enforce the absurdity of mainstreaming little queers and trans. Political power playing is the bigger villian here in my opinion.
    There’s a case in Britain where a pre-teen is allegedly transitioning. The twist is the “parents” are lesbians. Theres the third rail nobody wants or is allowed to speak of.

  235. I’ve not heard of the super duper pronoun avenger thing outside of college but I saw it fursthand when touring schools with my kid.

  236. The Daily Wire has cited five examples of men claiming to be transgender who assaulted or taped women in women’s changing or rest rooms. One victim was a five year old girl.

  237. Indeed, one can argue that women’s constitutional rights to privacy stop applying when the biological male has this self-perception. I set aside these debates here.

    LOL, the author sets aside the main fucking issue at stake here. Ginsburg, to my understanding was not talking about transgender people. She was fighting the ridiculous notion at the time, posited by those opposed to the ERA, that the ERA would give men (not transgender) the right to use the lady’s room since men and women would be legally “equal”.

    Your article proves nothing Tigre. If the NC foolishness goes to the Supremes, Ginsburg will side with the trannies.

  238. You are an idiot of epic proportions.

    AGAIN, DUMMY, WHAT IS A CIVIL RIGHT?

    Obviously, you don’t have a clue yet you prattle on and on and on about it.

    Does everything have to be MSNBC dumb for you? Seriously. Your lack of depth just hurts.

  239. I notice you didn’t address the fact you posted a link to an article that says nothing. Ginsburg will side with the trannies. If you doubt that, you are the idiot of epic proportions. 😊

  240. Touring schools means colleges. I maintain a 10 year old boy saying he wants to be called “they” is not a thing.

    We all acknowledge college kids have gone batshit crazy.

  241. Rutherford, I DON’T CARE WHO GINSBURG SIDES WITH. NOR DO I CARE WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE SAYS. IT’S IRRELEVANT, YOU FOOL.

    Follow. The issue is CIVIL RIGHTS — not personal preferences that may change or unadorned, unmade and unargued responses to a hypothetical.

    Jesus. Look back at the exchange concerning the Georgia parents objections — AND THE FUNDING CHALLENGES INITIATED BY THE DOJ IN NC that you studiously avoid in your search for validation rather than enlightenment (as you do in every, single issue/debate).

    Is it a civil right or isn’t it? The law hasn’t changed since Ginsberg applied her own brand of feminists liberal stink to it when it came the failed and unnecessary ERA movement you probably thought was so “groovy” in the 70s.

    Do the same “civil rights” you so recklessly invoke apply to those that claim a gender related right to privacy in the bathroom and showers or not? If so, how do you balance it against the so-called “civil right” of a tranny to take a dump in the ladies room?

    God, your deliberate ignorance is fucking painful. Engage man!

  242. “Touring schools means colleges. I maintain a 10 year old boy saying he wants to be called “they” is not a thing.”

    Just toured schools with my children.

    Neither of them college age.

    I guess I better check their birth certificates. Obviously Rutherford’s world experience trumps our mistaken experiences.

  243. Rutherford, I DON’T CARE WHO GINSBURG SIDES WITH. NOR DO I CARE WHAT THE AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE SAYS. IT’S IRRELEVANT, YOU FOOL.

    That’s funny. I thought you posted the article for a reason.

    …unnecessary ERA movement you probably thought was so “groovy” in the 70s.

    In 1972 (when state legislatures starting looking at it) I was 11 years old and had no opinion on the matter but I’m guessing you were a little Alex P. Keaton at the time railing against it. 🙂

    As for “civil right”, I’m not ignoring that part of your argument. You asked a very valid question — first define it before you decide how to apply it. I’m still working on that. I have an amateur definition in my head but I’d rather check resources first.

  244. Just toured schools with my children.

    First, I was addressing Alfie’s comment about touring schools with his children and I’m gathering Alfie is talking college — he can correct me if I’m wrong.

    As for you, Tigre, I assume you were looking at parochial or private schools for your kids and you encountered the “they” phenomenon? Please DO elaborate.

  245. “That’s funny. I thought you posted the article for a reason.”

    Yes. As blunted citation to prior comment wherein I referenced Ruth Buzzy. Did you notice that the author of the articles approach to the comment is the same as mine yet?

    “As for you, Tigre, I assume you were looking at parochial or private schools for your kids and you encountered the “they” phenomenon?”

    Yes on the need for touring (although it includes charter schools as I previously told you they were enrolled). No on the “they” part. I did not observe it firsthand but I am aware of the movement/agenda at the grade school level. In fact, it was a topic of much discussion at parent/admin meetings at the charter school.

    Why you are calling DR a liar is beyond me. Well, other than, as usual, you’re just saying shit to fill gaps in your lack of personal experience that don’t jibe with your imagined truths. So, in reality, your comment was not confined to Alfie. The target of your busllshit is DR. The dude that lies all the time around here.

    Now, what I really want to know more about is your experience as a female sharing restrooms with men. That was some insight.

  246. “I maintain a 10 year old boy saying he wants to be called “they” is not a thing”

    I see Rutherford is going through the make shit up phase to save face from being an out of touch moron. Never ultimately works though.

    10 year old boys? Did I ever say 10 year old boys?

  247. FWIW in the discussion I don’t believe LBGTs have a civil tight nor should they be afforded any. My earlier comment was intentional. A black person (or Asian,latino, others) as a rule can’t escape or avoid identification and prejudices. When we speak of rights in their case we’re talking basic human stuff.
    I think the application of prejudices towards lifestyles fails to rise to the same level.

  248. Funny, Alfie that Ann Coulter said that very thing to Dan Savage on HBO Friday night and he actually agreed.

    Yeah the lgbt/black equivalency is a bit insulting not to mention plain inaccurate. With that said, to deliberately make things difficult for folks is not the answer either provided they are causing no real harm.

    That’s the crux of the whole debate. Is the “harm” imagined or exaggerated?

  249. I was speaking of seeing the crazy @ college campuses. Emerson being insane with it.
    That said the district school which my kids did not/do not attend actually had a trans MTF. Everything I’ve heard on that matter was the kid was a pain in the ass antagonist who the school tried to accommodate and to the other kids credit they all tried to just ignore him.
    The kid didn’t play sports. I’ve seen him, he’s out of school and has seriously ramped up his transition. Works at a local supermarket.
    No idea what restroom he uses but to ponder it leads me to reinforce my opinion that a restroom X should be available. I stand by that position both for peoples privacy and the trans safety & comfort. Although I disagree with the trans culture I don’t believe they deserve to doil themselves in public.
    I’ll also quickly clarify my stance on the logical extension of this issue. Restroom X & seperste shower facilities in the pre op phase. Once everything is refurbed as it were I return to position of you go where your packaging dictates.
    As much as the folks fanning this calling it all a myth (the pro trans right folks) I can’t fathom how they fail to accept the common sense approach.

  250. They refuse bathroom X. They fight hard against bathroom X.

    I just read where even letting them have girl locker rooms with a curtain to change got shot down…. By the tranny!

    They want to single themselves out and then go after anyone who even accidentally singles them out.

    My brother is dealing with one right now. Total power play at the office. It goes after any one with a vengeance.

    Liberal power play and a human weapon to achieve their nihilistic dream of destroying anything remotely American.
    Power!

  251. Rabbit, we can settle this easily. I don’t live in your world so I’ll simply accept your answer: how young have you encountered a boy wanting to be called “they”?

  252. Completely off topic but last night I was watching a movie on TCM channel. To fill in time the station often plays old PSA type stuff. Last night was a focus report on the Reading PA Civil Defense operations. It’s just freaking amazing how so many thought nuclear war was doable.

  253. I remember when the government tested nuclear weapons in the western US. No one seemed to worry that radiation clouds drifted over the plains.

    My parents gave me my first camera one year, and radiation ruined most of my early pictures.

  254. I think some attempts to force attitudes on us are born of guilt and shame. Children who suffer from unusual feelings are taught that they are wrong and deviant. Many are teased and learn to keep their feelings secret.

    I think that by trying to assuage inner guilt, more radical pressure groups are not merely trying to win rights of recognition but to force us all to embrace their life modes to destroy the inner guilt.

    Woe be to the people who refuse to bow to the new idols.

  255. I read today where Gen X is now up to about 1/4 of young adults “experimenting” with same sex, sex. You know, just “harmless” experimentation.

    And people don’t think there’s an influence on the culture when we allow things to go astray? Reminds me of the safe, legal and rare argument for abortion, once premised on the idea of assuring all children would be wanted and loved.

    How did that work out for America when you look to the public school systems and its glaring inadequacies, circa 2016?

    I do give Rutherford this. He is correct that I no longer have a good bead on American politics or culture – a true anachronism. I am absolutely convinced most people now calling themselves Republican are certainly not conservative. I don’t know why Republicans blather about Ronald Reagan – in large part, that party no longer exists in this country.

  256. I am absolutely convinced most people now calling themselves Republican are certainly not conservative.
    I agree but I’d also add that any number of those calling themselves “conservatives” have lost the plot as to what that means as well.

  257. I agree. Most people are so stupid their ability to find their ways home is an achievement.

    The “occupying Regime” has rendered the controversy moot. All school children will use restrooms with physical members of the other sex.

  258. I agree but I’d also add that any number of those calling themselves “conservatives” have lost the plot as to what that means as well.

    I know this much, Alfie. If you’re calling yourself ‘Conservative’ and you don’t understand that means first and foremost the first Ten Amendments LIMITED GOVERNMENT and living without debt unless absolutely necessary, somebody owes you a civics refund from middle school.

    That was about the only time I ever remember agreeing with Graychin. He was damn straight that every taxpayer should have had the ante upped when we go to war to pay for it. Two problems, though, with that. The taxes never go down once implemented, and Progs want that bill to be “progressively scaled” too.

  259. I think most self-proclaimed conservatives fail the test when it comes to the subject of the military. Our mic is no way in line with limited government or fiscal responsibility. It is the greatest man made destructive force ever assembled against creation as a whole. It uses the most energy, wastes the most money, contaminates the most land, allocates the most resources, kills and maims the most people, and demolishes the most property. It has also destroyed the hearts and minds of millions among the living and is THE REASON 22 vets take their own lives in America everyday.

    One small proof for the uninitiated: Research why metals forged before 1940 are in such demand.

    Until that huge elephant/gorilla/jackass in the room is addressed by so-called conservatives, I say they are merely blowing smoke out their anal orifices

  260. I can not believe the piece of garbage we have for a president thinks he can just demand all public schools (ironically not private schools) to let boys use girls’ bathrooms if they simply choose to with threat of fed dollars behind it.

    If this isn’t the greatest example for everybody to abhor the strings attatched to Federal money I don’t know what is.

    He will steal tax dollars I pay from my sons’ education over this.

    Even if you are the kind of father like Rutherford who doesn’t see a problem with his daughter being exposed to cocks in the little girls’ room, what if the next President ties some new pet cause to Fed Dollars that R disagrees with?

    Ides of March.

    Tax cheats are heroes.

    Progressives are enemy just like ISIS.

  261. Rutherford should’ve been a trial lawyer. Scathing.

    If cross examination is a search for the truth, Rabbit and I both won. I wasn’t looking for a “win”. I was admitting I don’t work in, nor have children in Rabbit’s school district and since he scoffed at my mention of ten year olds, I asked him what age he was talking about.

    That’s actually the way conversations should be conducted around here.

    And I’ll add, if we have teen boys who want to be called “they” we are fucked in more ways than one.

    And it ain’t Obama’s fault.

  262. what if the next President ties some new pet cause to Fed Dollars that R disagrees with?

    For someone who likes to call me Balki, you sure are immature sometimes.

    Rabbit, that’s the way Fed taxation works. We all get stuff and we all lose stuff. I don’t want the MIC buying weapons that don’t work and the army doesn’t even want. Do you see me refusing to pay my taxes because of it?

    As for my daughter, if urinals were taken out of all the restrooms and replaced with stalls, then I’m not gonna lose any sleep. If a boy shows his wiener to my daughter my bet is she’s gonna die laughing.

  263. That last comment referred to school bathrooms segregated by age. I’m not comfy with adults sharing bathrooms with children of opposite gender.

    But trannies are arguably not of opposite gender. That’s the whole problem.

  264. if urinals were taken out of all the restrooms and replaced with stalls, then I’m not gonna lose any sleep.
    I have a problem with that line of thinking. I think it a terrible thing on many levels to unisex a multi-station public restroom. Society should want better for itself.

  265. “I asked him what age he was talking about.”

    Though it may be true, that’s not what you asked. In any event, apparently starting the conversation by calling him a liar is the way you believe conversations should be conducted around here.

    Thanks Clarence.

  266. But trannies are arguably not of opposite gender.
    You’re being too polite they are ABSOLUTELY NOT OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER and that is the whole problem.
    Pre-op you are how you were born and for public safety reasons single unit facilities available at a first come for first serve basis should be implemented. Post op you are the new you no matter how fucked up in the head you are.

  267. The abolition of Title IX should be a GOP platform plank.

    Don’t you really mean modification, not abolition? Title IX has reasonable protections such as female participation in sports.

  268. It’s a pretty fucked up society where we can’t ban guns because someone MIGHT kill 20 kids but we can ban intersex bathrooms because someone MIGHT take a picture of your daughter’s tits.

  269. Title IX is a lie and a sign and symptom of a disease afflicting America.
    As for your other comment I’m either misreading you or floored.
    Fuck your feelings if you have a penis you’re male. If you feel unsafe dont bitch about your private accommodations pre op.

  270. If you feel unsafe dont bitch about your private accommodations

    Why doesn’t that apply to women? Anyone who feels unsafe has every right to bitch about it.

    Alfie, you’ll have to do better on your Title IX assessment. I for one want my daughter to participate in any school activity for which she is qualified and if a school won’t let her, they better not get any of my tax dollars. (Right Rabbit? 🙂 )

  271. Though it may be true, that’s not what you asked.

    Then it can’t be true. You just contradicted yourself again.

    Thanks Felix (Frankfurter, not the Cat)

    Now tell me something really important – have you sampled The Grinder yet? Better hurry, it didn’t get renewed. (American TV audiences have no taste.)

  272. Hey good news for Poolman – if Hillary is elected she’s gonna release all info on Area 51.

    Lol. Sounds like a gimmick to try to get votes. I don’t think Hillary honest enough to be trusted. If Hillary is the selected, good news would be her spontaneously combusting. I hope for live media coverage.

  273. Learn to read, Clarence. No contradiction. Just your feigned confusion.

    No. Haven’t seen Grinder. Still pissed Saul ended as sion as it started.

  274. @ Rutherford no time or energy to destroy your position right now.
    Title IX was based on a myth. It has had no real benefit on females and in fact has undeniably caused harm to both boys and girls. Nouns intentional. This then translates to issues for men and women.
    Private accommodation is the sound manner to handle pre-ops. It is consistently the trans who deem separate safe accommodation as unacceptable. Too fucking bad!
    One of the reasons that unisex is such a bad idea in group settings is that men and women need and deserve a level of privacy. Damn shame that folks on your side see no connection between the privacy to utilize a restroom,shower room to its full use is far superior to that of the “privacy” encompassed in offing a fetus.

  275. Oh that’s a relief. Hell, you know these cable seasons tend to be shorter than the traditional networks. Just watch the new season of Veep. It’s a hoot.

  276. All I want to know at this point is if Obama or Hillary will send National Guard troops to escort North Carolina trannies to the shitter.

    I so want that governor so issue a Jacksonian statement along the lines of “Barack Obama has made his ruling now let him come down here and enforce it.”

    Let’s see if any president has the balls (or ovaries) to go crack skulls so men can piss with women.

  277. Totally serious question. Has anyone here seen a trans person make the case about having facilities available for their safety and comfort.
    I haven’t seen anyone but the rather extreme pro and con folks. I just imagine it has to be a lot like homosexuals. All my gay friends/coworkers,a grand total of 7 as of now,are really “normal” but all too often when theres a gay rights thing you only see the crazies.

  278. An Omaha talk show had two callers who were transgender that I know of. They said the radical protesters didn’t speak for them. They were also conservatives. It doesn’t answer your question Alfie, but it is an anecdote.

  279. Re Title Nine; A school can comply with the law in one of three ways. Have the number of male and female athletes in proportion to the student body. Show that it is increasing opportunities for women. Numbers two and three aren’t quantifiable and leave schools vulnerable to law suits, most opt for number one.

    Such schools keep more men on major sports and reduce the number of men in minor sports which generate little income. Some male events like swimming or wrestling are discontinued as happened at the University of Nebraska. This discriminates against men.

    Title nine has done some good, but in its present form, it is discriminatory.

  280. “With 100,000 deaths and 2 million injuries each year being caused by legal prescription drugs in the United States, and with 1.5 million Americans contracting cancer each year, the pharmaceutical and biotech industries have become far more of a threat of “terrorism” to Americans than any people or other country could be, or have been, to this day. In fact, just a few years ago, according to a 10-year-long study, accidental overdose deaths in New Mexico caused by prescription drugs increased at a HIGHER RATE than those caused by illegal drugs – heroin and cocaine. That’s disgusting.”

    http://www.naturalnews.com/054002_death_statistics_prescription_overdoses_food_chemicals.html#ixzz48b91TByD

  281. “if urinals were taken out of all the restrooms and replaced with stalls, then I’m not gonna lose any sleep.”

    Go unisex and I will piss on every toilet seat for as long as I am on Earth. And that’s me doing it intentionally. The rest of us dudes do it by accident anyways.

    R, the women in your family will be sitting in hot piss while predators… 80% of which operate on a opportunist platform, will have a field day.

    I can not believe liberals are so depraved, they are ok with giving men access to their own little daughter’s bathrooms.

    Yes, Rutherford… Kids are demanding to be called “they”.

  282. It is really hard to understand how our daily newsfeed can be so consumed with shitters. On the other hand maybe not when you consider the main people talked about are a piece of shit.

  283. What I do wonder about is why all the furor over the possibility of a transgender showing his/her penis in a bathroom. That’s the last thing they want to do. Most of them would like to have reconstruction surgery but surgeons are reluctant to go that far in fear of further ligation. A transgender has to go through many many steps before they are transitioned. A woman transgender can have a prothesis.

    It seems the fear is more related to a predator dressed in women’s attire but that is so obvious. I think Rutherford is right when he says his daughter would laugh if a boy showed his weiner which is devastating to boys.
    I have not read anything about requiring unisex showers.

  284. “And you take your time as you do your crime.”

    Trump may say “when I arrive, I will bring the fire.”

  285. What concerns me more is the atmosphere we are creating. The college scene of pampered helicopter raised children who fear for their “sensitive sensibilities” being upset is crazy! But then any world that puts “He Who Must Not Be Named” on an election ballot is crazy.

  286. You are mostly right, Emily, but predators are real even if they are a small minority. Others are exhibitionists of both sexes. This new rule and fadish attitudes are a risk for an unknown minority, possibly Rutherford’s daughter.

  287. So the transgender bathroom brouhaha is all designed to benefit corporates in the privatization of the school industry. Home schooling is the way to go. This government becomes less significant with each passing day…

    “Today we are looking at a situation where the Department of Justice is threatening to take away federal funding from public schools in states that do not comply with their order to allow young people to use whatever bathroom they happen to identify with.

    Say what you will about the issue of transgender identification, this move is clearly designed for one thing: to frighten and anger a certain segment of the population and therefore give the leadership in certain states the ability to reject even more federal funding for public schools, leaving them even more destabilized and ready for privatization in those states.”

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/05/14/bathroom-brawl-obama-administration-using-transgendered-to-further-their-school-privatization-agenda/

  288. Far more dangerous than a few random transgender or fake transgender predators is a government which makes such wide sweeping declarations without legislation and enforcing them through blackmail.

  289. Go unisex and I will piss on every toilet seat for as long as I am on Earth. And that’s me doing it intentionally. The rest of us dudes do it by accident anyways.

    Well if you wanna move the goal posts and say our women shouldn’t be sharing facilities with nasty sloppy guys, yeah I can agree with that. 😀

    Unisex bathrooms may cause guys to raise their game.

    On the other hand the ladies in my family tell me some public ladies rooms are pretty stank.

  290. It only reinforces what our founders’ wrote as warning to us. The right to bear arms is to keep government in check. Government is our mortal enemy.

  291. I haven’t seen anyone but the rather extreme pro and con folks.

    Alfie, the teevee and forums like this lead one to believe everyone is running around with their hair on fire.

    The TRUTH is most people, white, black, straight, gay, happy with their dick or trans, just want to get through the day having achieved something and not getting punched in the nose by anyone.

    Most folks are just trying to survive.

  292. I think what will happen in the schools is kids will hold off from going to the restroom for fear of public scrutiny and now we develop all other kinds of long term disorders in our youth. The healthiest thing for our kids would be to unplug from this diseased new American culture.

  293. wide sweeping declarations without legislation and enforcing them through blackmail.

    Funny you say that James. As I was reading your words; the LT GOV of TX made this same reference to blackmail, pointing out that pulling fed funds actually won’t punish “bigots”; it will punish children by cutting their school lunches.

  294. Most folks are just trying to survive.

    We are all there. Our biggest enemy and greatest threat has proven to be government.

  295. Great minds, Rutherford. Ha Ha

    The defining part of this video for me is that the men are afraid of retribution from their own government.

    I did what others were afraid to do in the service, and I permanently suffered for it with a bad hand, but this is much worse. Our own government would destroy these men if it knew their identities.

    This and the school directive are only two reasons why this next election is so important.

  296. “Blackmail is not the right term.”

    Extortion is. These are mob tactics we are seeing from the federal government.

    “Do what I say or it’s a shame what might happen to that funding of yours.” You can almost picture Obama pounding his fist into his palm as he says it.

    That it is funding meant to go to the needs of children makes it beyond contempt.

  297. I can only imagine this is a manifestation of Obama and Lynch’s antipathy for the south. The trans community is just not a big enough voting bloc for this to make political sense. Gotta be more to it.

  298. Hey Tigre, after all this time I finally took a good look at your avatar. I see something on fire and a kid in an unidentifiable uniform looking like he wants to murder the photographer. Care to fill in the blanks?

  299. Tomato, tomatoe, extortion, blackmail. It is the same use of raw power no matter what word you use. This regime will send its own people into poverty, let us die or kill us to benefit itself.

    If we don’t vote them out before they pack the courts, we will be forced to accept subjegation or to rebel.

  300. ET’s vacation photo from Ulster or Belfast methinks.
    Yeah I have to agree that there is definite air of thuggery and arrogance regards the Title IX & funding threats over transgendered.
    @ Rutherford I’d be willing to speculate that it is more about the reinforcement of Title IX and fringe identity politics than actually feeling a need to respond to the LGBT brigade.

  301. Here’s a taste of where we’re headed:

    Tape is released of Trump pretending to be his own PR man in convo with People Mag reporter (25 years ago). Reporter now claims she did not leak the tape and says the only one who could have is Trump himself.

    Trump says it’s not him on tape.

    Trump lying? Reporter lying? Both equally possible.

    The Trump candidacy unearthing the underbelly of USA whether it be his associates or those who oppose him.

    Trump presidency could possibly be messier than Hillary.

    The overall decline in public standards is coming home to roost.

  302. @ Rutherford my earlier use of the word “destroy” was inappropriate. With a little time before I don my pizza making hat I’ll chime in what I meant with my earlier Title IX comment.

    Title IX is a myth in that it was a solution to a problem that was either non-existent or well under way to self-correct via the exploding demographic shift the USA was experiencing.

    Title IX is not primarily focused on school athletics although it is an area of great strength and in the mind of its proponents its core success. I personally count myself in the school of thought that says it is here that Title IX has proven to be the self-perpetuating bureaucratic leviathan that all too many government entitlement type programs become. Although The numbers on Title IX in athletics is undeniable I would say they’re kind of a lie. OF COURSE MORE FEMALES will be involved in sports when you make schools offer sports specifically to females. Crying out loud a roomful of water bottles is not a room you find thirsty people!

    In the arena of harm I have read and been persuaded to accept that there are cases where schools cut sports or other programs so as to assure funding girls sports. I also think the overall makeup of female athletics to be negligible in assessing better scholastic experiences for females. Blurring lines under Title IX and forcing issues has had a great part to play in causing a very real twist of the issues people thought existed pre- Title IX. What I mean by that is tons of people felt females were underserved in schooling especially in mixed classrooms. People routinely put forth that girls got less attention than boys. Well that was bullshit then and it’s scientifically proven bullshit now. With females outnumbering males in many degree categories,with the proven fact of girls having better study habits and the grossly malicious efforts to assure females get teachers attention the result has been: Less studious and more discipline issue males. No alteration and to the other myth aka Wage Gap and the infantilization of males in general. That is not good for society.

    There is. Abigail difference between making sure a girl gets quality exercise or release in a non academic school environment. It’s far and away a different thing to mandate the expense of fielding high end sports teams nobody cares about.
    Don’t get me started on the lie of higher tier schools financial benefits and burdens regards athletics.
    Thanks

  303. Was gonna say I really liked the Bluetooth keyboard with the IPad until I saw “there is a big” turn into Abigal somehow. Well that’s Title IX for you.

  304. “I have not read anything about requiring unisex showers.” Pfessor

    Well… Then go read Obama’s threat. De facto unisex.

  305. Interesting call. I was trying to figure it out and thought the dick sucking and incoherence made it more Raji.

  306. She was when she had your and Alfie’s dick in her mouth. She’s often think she was agreeing when she wasn’t and never seemed to know why.

  307. You left out you’re an idiot. The only reason you said Emily is Raji is because I said she isn’t. You contradict like a little girl.

    That about covers it. And use your correct email genius so I don’t have to approve your insults.

  308. Check Raji’s old comments, Wrongway. Any one of ’em.

    It is sporting of you to approve the insults though.

  309. I tend to resist these imposter conspiracy theories but the only folks here who have “posed” have been Pfesser and (interestingly enough) Rabbit himself who posed as a black conservative a couple of years ago. I was real disappointed on that one because black conservatives fascinate me and I was really hoping one had joined the bar.

    Believing PF was Parker (and now Emily) at least plays into his demonstrated colorful nature. Raji, on the other hand was never anything but straightforward.

    Hell, it’s taken a lot of effort to resist the notion that Muffy is Tex. 😀😀😀

  310. Emily is not Raji.
    Muffy is not Tex.
    Parker and Pfesser are/were one in the same.
    Newt and no newt and NOP are/were one in the same.

  311. LOL I forgot about Sensico. It’s been years so I’m guessing she’s out of school by now.

    I wonder if Muffy had been around back then if she would have deferred to Sensico’s youth or would she have savaged her like Tex did.

  312. “I tend to resist these imposter conspiracy theories…”

    You tend to be wrong.

    Even if Emily changing Raji’s gravatar on all her old comments doesnt make an impression on you, Homeschool agreeing with you ought to make you think twice, Wrongway.

  313. I don’t really care but I do know that NOP of Helen and Margaret and Newt or no Newt here were the same vile shape shifter who had nasty arguments with me.

  314. Many times and now is no exception. I think I finally figured out why all we see is a foot in muffy’s avatar. Her head is so huge she can’t get it off the floor. Even with Nathan’s help, all we can see is a heel.

  315. Care to explain to us how Emily changed the gravatar on all of Rajis old commentary at Fat Grannies & Alfie’s too, Underachiever?

  316. When Rutherford agreed with me. Har Har !

    I don’t care who Ragi is. What I care is at the other site when they were beginning to turn on me, I buried Old Jean who tried to convince us that we should not have nuked Japan.

    Ragi agreed with me, and the others slunk away for another fight later.

  317. I don’t understand why people feel they must use multiple identities. If they think they have discredited their original handles, let them repair the damage.

    I don’t see any reason why they can’t use their given names.

  318. I can’t sufficiently research it on my iPhone. Once I get back to the desktop I’ll check. I shouldn’t have challenged Muffy without checking emails first. Same gravatar implies same email.

    If Muffy is right, Raji must be bored. I wish folks would stop this shit cos it makes me look stupid defending them.

    Homeschool agreeing with you ought to make you think twice, Wrongway.

    Even though it’s sorta endearing, Muffy, are you aware the nicknames are making you sound like Trump?

    Tigre, bite me.

  319. While I think Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn has a dinosaur brain, she did make me smile on Face the Nation today. In her best Southern accent she called HRC a “lyin’ cheatin’ stealing type woman”.

  320. R, I will bite, suckle and spoon you if you can cite one example of having been right and Muffy having been wrong on this.

    And who the fuck do you think you’re defending anyway?

  321. Well in this case, Raji, whom I didn’t think silly enough to change identities. While I believed in “Parker” for a long time, knowing PF’s personality, I didn’t think the masquerade was totally unbelievable. I just didn’t think that sort of thing was Raji’s style.

    My track record at spotting posers sucks. But it’s partly due to my resentment that you guys don’t find it possible that the place could attract someone new. It always riles me.

    Then again, Raji is a white woman who uses an Indian man’s name. So maybe I shoulda seen it coming.

  322. DR, you think Rutherford would clean up at a casino or eat his own ass?

    I can’t say I’ve ever encountered someone so lacking in gut, awareness and nuance. He resides in this blog world but has no feel whatsoever.

    Blessing or curse at the card or craps table? I want to say “Cooler” but I’ve watched the oblivious rake it in.

  323. “Then again, Raji is a white woman who uses an Indian man’s name. So maybe I shoulda seen it coming.”

    Or seen that she was smoking Alfie’s pole, breathlessly wanting to agree with him, and virtually quoting HuffPo.

    So desperate to agree. . .

  324. “Tigre you haven’t the foggiest idea what nuance is.”

    Accepting your definition of it, I consider that a compliment.

  325. Oh … and one way in which I’m always right is I don’t gamble. I’ll play slots for fun on a pre-set non-negotiable budget but that’s it.

    Lost my snack money in a bet 45 or so years ago and never repeated the mistake.

  326. Then I take it back.

    rutherford would probably clean up at a casino.

    But alas, he “doesn’t gamble.”

  327. LOL Tigre if being a fanboy were a crime, the entire mutual admiration society of you, Rabbit, Muffy and Tex would be doing life terms. So no, I don’t judge “Emily” for agreeing with Alfie.

  328. I didn’t say “judge.” I was talking about “identifying” you grand wizard of whatever you think “nuance” is.

  329. Oh, and I do judge her for it. I recall the days of her agreeing with your attack on the daughter of the pizza shop owner who was supposed to “shut the fuck up.” A lot of nuance from you two on that one.

  330. Care to explain to us how Emily changed the gravatar on all of Rajis old commentary at Fat Grannies & Alfie’s too, Underachiever?

    Assuming this was for me, I must say I am surprised. Certainly I haven’t done adequate research into such matters and merely ‘spoke off the cuff’. They didn’t read the same to me.

    Chalk up another to wikimuffy.

  331. Well said, Poolman. The styles didn’t seem the same and the whole alternate id thing didn’t fit Raji’s MO.

    The better question is why Muffy has the urge to do such research. Bespeaks a certain obsessiveness. Hey Muffy, ever boil a kids pet rabbit to send a message?

  332. I think Muffy has awareness and can detect nuance and your a stupidity was another easily put-to-rest challenge.

    If you were awake Rutherford, you’d have seen that the Raji theory was posited many, many threads back. But of course, you did what you always do. . .

  333. And by the way, Grand Wizard of Nuance, didn’t you wonder why “Emily” so so broadly and negatively commented on your regulars, without really answering any questions or clarifying, while purporting to just make the scene? While Muffy take the time to track it down, anyone with a sense of nuance would’ve guessed it was a prior regular based on the apparent familiarity alone.

    You know, I think I’m going to have a tee-shirt with your picture on it that says “NUANCE!” right below your image. The hipsters wouldn’t have a clue what it meant but probably still love it.

  334. Poolman, can you do that up with a vid of that drone bug landing on your Ol’ Lady’s ass while she was gardening? The guys at the CIA that are monitoring you and your wife think it would be hilarious.

  335. Besides, you brought Thurmation to the Lawson blog. Don’t believe me? Check with the local wiki. I just want be sure it sticks. 😛

  336. Actually Tigre, a theory about Emily’s identity was floated to me offline many months ago and I did not repeat it here.

    Second I noticed several weeks ago a post by Rabbit that suggested Emily was PF. I ignored it.

    I notice more here than you give me credit for. Since I never bought the Emily imposter theory I never addressed it until today’s discussion.

  337. You know, Tigre, this whole bathroom discussion makes me wonder why you don’t come out of the closet as a true …

    Libertarian.

    You’re clearly for limited government and frugal fiscal policy but you really aren’t a big advocate of the social nosiness stuff.

    For example, I suspect you really don’t give a damn who pees where. You don’t like the idea that Title IX which had NOTHING to do with trannies in the Nixon admin is being twisted to butt the gov’s nose into NC’s business. And FWIW, I think the original intent of laws should be honored and new legislation be drafted if need be.

    I often mistakenly accuse you of taking anti-gay stands, etcetera. But I know why. You pretend to side with conservatives when you’re really a libertarian.

    You do you, man. We’ll still love you. 😘

  338. I have libertarian leanings but I wouldn’t identify as such.

    Can I share a bathroom with your daughter now?

  339. Long as you wait to get in the stall before taking your dick out, sure. Heck my daughter already calls you Uncle Tigre. You’re family, dude. 😀😀😀

  340. They read the same, boneheads. I didn’t even think Raji was trying to fool anyone. It took all of 30 seconds to “research” that one.

    Stop making excuses for your cluelessness and incompetence. You weren’t just wrong. You’re both brain dead and too stupid to fall over.

    You two floaters get your clocks cleaned over and over and over. It wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining if you didn’t talk smack and throw stones at other people. And then more stones when other people turn out to be right – again. I never saw such clueless buffoons in my life. You have no understanding of the world, nor any ability to navigate it.

    Rutherford, your mind is closed, totally made up before the situation even unfolds. That’s why you’re always wrong. You never gauge anything or examine or weigh possibilities. You just open your maw on your gut and let the hot air escape to give your butt a rest.

  341. “He resides in this blog world but has no feel whatsoever”

    Rutherford would probably clean up in anything that requires no inductive or deductive logic.

    Keno and the 3 digit should be his game.

    Rutherford, I never was an imposter here. Everyone was in on the joke, brah. I actually was surprised the day I realised you thought Occupy Narcissism (I had to rack my brain to remember that name) was not me.

  342. “I often mistakenly accuse you of taking anti-gay stands, etcetera. But I know why.”

    We all know why. And it has nothing to do with Tigre.

  343. R, in all seriousness, I don’t think you know what conservatism really is. You just accept the labels supplied by the MSNBC crowd. I really wish you’d read more.

    As for most social issues, I don’t give a damn when it comes to the executive branch because it really doesn’t matter for the most part (beyond SCOTUS picks). However, I do consider myself a strong constitutionalist and firm believer in protecting states rights. In most instances, that means limited government because THAT’S WHAT THE FUCKING COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON.

    So when you use terms like “civil rights” without considering what it really means and without considering the competing rights of those that disfavor your adopted, and politically-motivated, positions, I am usually goading you to dig deeper. Same with the SCOTUS decisions we’ve raised here where no meaningful debate can be had without an appreciation of the countervailing considerations that lead to the opinion. I find that I can never get you “there” because you really don’t care. It’s always about cheerleading.

    The gay marriage debate is a perfect example of where I fully agree with Roberts’ dissent which analyzed the process and scope of federal authority and not the wisdom of the law (other than the existence of hetero application in all cultures for all time). You refused to understand or consider the primary debate and launched into the homophobic labeling as the motivation for opposing the decision. And that’s what always defines for you the label you choose to attach to a political outlook.

    BTW, the Raji theory was floated a long time ago on an open thread. I made veiled response to it and you never touched it. Not enough nuance I guess.

  344. “Rutherford, your mind is closed, totally made up before the situation even unfolds. That’s why you’re always wrong. You never gauge anything or examine or weigh possibilities. You just open your maw on your gut and let the hot air escape to give your butt a rest.”

    And Muffy got it in three sentences as I typed out several paragraphs.

  345. I am not being snarky, but what am I missing? False identities are already a given on a screen with nothing but words.

    I am the only one I am sure of. “You can call me Al” but I am still James. The other certainty is what people write about various topics.
    Please, someone or everyone tell me why this matters. I feel as if I was a color blind observer in an art museum.

  346. @James – netiquette. It’s troll-y. It’s like Trump vouching for himself to get in Marla’s drawers.

    The oft-used argument that all online identities are false is specious.

  347. It amazes me to say that of the three folks to respond recently, Muffy, Rabbit and Tigre I actually respect Tigre’s the most. Sometime 3 paragraphs shows some real effort to get the point across.

    Yeah Rabbit I actually forgot your old screen name Occupy Narcissism. Hate to let you in on this, brah; but unless you were privately communicating with folks to let them know you were duping me, I wasn’t the only one duped. I was the last to realize it. And of course I can’t prove it cos no one here would admit you duped them too. It would ruin the “stupid Rutherford” narrative.

  348. James, I think both you and Muffy are right. On the one hand the anonymity of most here makes it kinda trivial what the screen name and avatar are. They’re just part of the theater: “Dead Rabbit” or Tex’s many imaginative avatars.

    On the other hand, once you’ve chosen a persona here, to change it does seem a peculiar kind of dishonesty. You’re fooling folks you’re someone else – even if your original persona wasn’t honest in the first place.

  349. Thank you Muffy. My past has colored my view of the world and this missed me. Now, I understand.

    Intellectually, I know that saying on line identities are fake is a specious argument because I have met five of those people face to face and others via telephone.

    Emotionally, I assume they are fake. It is a defense mechanism.

  350. Thanks too Rutherford. I am not afraid to ask stupid questions and mine was pretty dumb to those of you who understand how obvious these actions were.

    I assume everyone is fake until considerable time passes.

  351. Not giving your real name is proper netiquette.

    @ Hooter – you seem to be suffering from a terrible case of flame envy.

  352. So Democrats got so unruly a Nevada casino had to kick the whole lot of ’em out, after the party establishment told the Bernie Bros to fuck off (yet again). I watched videos of it and heard the loud cries of vulgarity and saw a man who had been beaten laying on the ground, surrounded by security, and awaiting medical attention.

    Want to know what I didn’t see?

    Donald Trump and his supporters.

  353. Not giving your real name has nothing to do with netiquette and everything to do with protecting your identity, mostly in online spaces where you don’t want your words to bite you in the ass in the “real world”.

    Plenty of folks on the net use their real name, especially when self promotion is desired. Hardly a violation of netiquette.

  354. Huck at this point isn’t that observation kinda moot? Trump is the presumptive nominee.

    If you’re suggesting the pro-Bernie’s are more disruptive than the Trumpeters ever were, I’m not gonna debate that. The arrogance of the HRC crowd is definitely pushing some folks over the edge.

  355. “Huck at this point isn’t that observation kinda moot?”

    I don’t think it’s moot when there is still this propagated bullshit that the rest of the political discussion going on is above the level of Trump, while he and his swim alone in the sewer.

    I’m not saying Trump doesn’t swim in the sewer, I’m saying everyone else is, too.

    This happened last night and I had to wait all day for the CNN web site to post even a link to the story, which was 1/2 way down the page. The headline this morning was about Texas bikers and this evening it’s about Obama politicizing a commencement speech to launch passive-aggressive jabs at Trump.

  356. Obama telling a group of people who shout down opposing views when they can and require coloring books and safe spaces when they can’t that “ignorance is not a virtue” is a fucking joke.

  357. Wouldn’t it be some great fucking irony if after all the talk of Trump threatening riots at the GOP convention, the riots actually break out at the Dem one?

  358. Great irony? That’s a probability.

    Did he really threaten riots or was he being hyperbolic as usual and MSNBC ran with it?

  359. Obama told graduates that ignorance is not a virtue. I nearly gagged. Obama’s ignorance has killed more people in the Middle East and other places than Trump will in a single term.

    Perhaps, Obama has a cape and tights hidden in his closet when he sallys forth at night as Irony Man, a super hero.

    Donald advised Sanders to run as a third party candidate. That would be fun to watch.

  360. My wife and I are getting too old to move kids anymore. 😆 😆 I ate Aleve for about 3 days.

    In 36 hours, we moved baby daughter from a 7th floor loft in KC to a 3rd floor apartment near SMU. Driving 1,100 miles in a U-Haul gave me shin splints. I’ve never seen such a screwed up set up in Dallas. The loading zone was basically an indentation in the curb (we had a 17ft U-Haul that by my estimation got 8mpg), with a locked door that required a key code that we had to open every time, and the apartment (and I kid you not) at least 200 yds away from freight elevator. The only benefit was really wide halls.

    My wife should have been a mechanical engineer. When you’re old like we are, you can come up with some imaginative ways to use dollies and two wheelers. She is the best at packing trucks on earth. We must have used 300ft of bubble wrap.

    Total cost of the move? $1,700 including gas, flights, insurance. Good Lawd, what does it cost to move cross country with a house load of furniture? What a f+ing racket that truck business is.

  361. I dislike moving. The last cross country u-haul experience for me was coming out here in July of 94 with no working ac in the u-haul truck. Mrs poolman was following in her car on 3 days of no sleep. We split up the kids and cats. Her ac was not working, either. That was a long, hot, memorable trip. Since I have always had a truck, I get asked to help people move often. Fortunately the last times my kids moved, they only asked to borrow my pickup. 🙂

    My brother works for SMU. His kids attend tuition free. I guess as part of his benefit package.

  362. @ Rutherford I don’t understand that question.
    I cannot imagine if America was how and where it is today Obama would want to or could run for reelection.
    As the sun sets on the Obama Administration there are many sunlit items that he and the retards at Rutgers seem to want to gloss over.

    The economy is in the shitter. We have not reversed the ills of the early oughts we have only survived them. New graduates are less likely to achieve the level of employment and career trajectory today as any preceding generation. Add to that the oppressive debt load they all are under and its truly amazing the chutzpah he has saying what he did.

    Blacks and Latinos are no better off today than they have been since I’d say the 80’s. In fact black unemployment is sky high and all other levels of black dysfunction is pretty much in status quo land. As for crime stats that is a blended % and fails to critically look deep into predominantly black communities and look at how they are as bad off as they ever were and secondary to Obama inspired policies are actually ticking up. See Baltimore for one example.

    Huge swathes of the “good old days” had their issues;however,the truth is that had America been able to use conservative principles to integrate non-whites into the greater economy America would truly want the good old days. The failures of that does not rest upon the racists of the past but also very heavily on the American Liberal.

    Safer? Well not by any measure I understand. Russia is resurgent and that is solely on Obama’s watch. China is very much a long term threat and almost daily dawns on being an immediate threat both economically and militarily. Islamic extremism is as bad as it has ever been and domestically we’re arguably less safe than we’ve ever been.

    Trade…OMG the balls on this guy. First of all I’ve been closest to a supporter of TPP in these parts. I don’t believe it a great idea but I also don’t think it the harbinger of doom for Americas working class. In a lot of ways I find it dangerous since I truly believe American companies over any others will lead the litigation charges people fear here. Americas reputation will soon be further tarnished as US corporations force small nationals across the Pacific to “play by the rules”. TPP’s primary plus is the potential to extend a common goal against China.
    As for TTIP the Europeans loathe it and we’re no better off for it.
    As for trade in general our trade policies are not FAIR even with our Anglo cousins in Canada. Most if not all of our trade deals as they stand exist as they are for the short cut taking corporate greed bags.

    Yeah I don’t get his address or his beliefs. As for the Trumping stuff I find that pure juvenile politicking.

  363. Not that I’m ready to support him but let’s look at a few of the Trump “classics.”

    In the immediate aftermath of San Bernadino it was not unprecedented to have a public figure say what he said. In general it probably would be a very good idea to have stricter controls & profiling of folks from Muslim hot spots.

    Mexico and the wall. Again hardly unprecedented although I doubt Trump & Co. know it.President Eisenhower and General Swing lead a very effective operation against “wet backs”. In fact it was actually called Operation Wetback. The key to its success was filling the Mexican government with fear that remittances,trade and overall relations would take a hit if the Mexicans didn’t step up on illegal crossings. How times have changed yet stayed the same? Well not really since the Mexicans are in no way in a helpful state of mind. The thinking is they have us by the international trade shorties. I disagree and in fact agree with Trump that ALL remittances everywhere should face an E-Verify protocol and VW,Ford and others should face stiff tariffs on their imports. Seriously who’s economy blinks first in that scenario?

    China. Much like Mitt Romney was right China is a currency manipulator,a their of epic proportions of intellectual property and more worrisome perhaps buying up stuff with invisible funds. China needs to be confronted.

  364. Yeah but Trump had girlfriends! The NYT is all over that shit.

    As for “liberal violence” not making the news thats due in large part to news outlets being mostly liberal secondary to recognizing BLM and OWS and FeeFees The Bern as liberal funded violent movements.

  365. The only thing more gag-worthy about Liebama’s Rutgers address than the multitude of lies were the assholes on the stage with him wearing kneepads under their regalia all the better to worship his majesty with.

  366. I havent attended a graduation ceremony since grade school. Not even high school. I got in big trouble with my parents for that one but I wont have a display of self-aggrandizement and bad advice from an asshole speaker – always liberal – as the final note of the experience.

    I know myself well enough to know that theres a very good chance that I would either walk out midway through it or have to be escorted out.

  367. My brother works for SMU. His kids attend tuition free. I guess as part of his benefit package.

    If so, sweet deal. That truly is the 1%er’s by the campus there. I felt like a real pig driving my filthy U-Haul truck down their streets. 😆 I hadn’t been down to SMU before and found it beautiful around the campus. Reminded me a lot of the Rice campus area in Houston.

  368. havent attended a graduation ceremony since grade school. Not even high school. I got in big trouble with my parents for that one but I wont have a display of self-aggrandizement and bad advice from an asshole speaker – always liberal – as the final note of the experience.

    Maybe if your parents had kicked your ass back then as they should have you’d be more tolerable today. It’s shocking that years later you don’t view this for what it was – a precocious teenager full of arrogance and disrespect. Without that HS education you wouldn’t have attended Brown or done too much else of achievement. Instead of showing them gratitude for educating your stuck-up ass, you give them the bird and deny your parents the joy of seeing their kid graduate.

    Graduations matter, especially to parents. The fact you wear this immature behavior as a badge of pride speaks volumes.

  369. Did he really threaten riots or was he being hyperbolic as usual and MSNBC ran with it?

    All MSM ran with it and of course Trump was being hyperbolic. When is he not hyperbolic?

  370. Alfie, the long analysis misses the point. Trump is explicitly divisive. I say explicitly for a reason – to head off the reply that Obama is divisive. He is implicitly divisive. He doesn’t make headlines with comments about Mexicans, women and Muslims. Trump does.

    It’s also obvious that Trump is clueless; shooting from the hip. He has an EXCELLENT feel for the mood of the electorate. That doesn’t make him White House ready. There was nothing dishonest in Obama’s critique of him.

    And get used to it because the pundits say once HRC is the nominee, Obama will go full force to defeat the Donald.

    With all that said, if you want to say, as a GOP strategist said today, that Obama weighing in on the 2016 election is beneath the dignity of the presidency, I’m willing to consider that.

  371. Obama has been beneath the dignity of the president his entire presidency.

    He’s plastered his face all over popular magazines, gets on ESPN to make his college picks, and mic drops like he’s one of the gang…but god forbid someone speak up and call him a liar out loud.

    You’re wrong about Obama being implicit. He is as explicit as Trump, he just fires at different targets. There is nothing implicit about lighting up the White House in rainbow colors.

    The only games Barack Obama knows are elections and shit talk. And he has talked a truckload of shit from day 1. The man is truly an asshole, and I don’t mean that in the political sense, but in the personal sense.

  372. “All MSM ran with it and of course Trump was being hyperbolic. When is he not hyperbolic?”

    As I thought. You had no point. You were, ironically, being hyperbolic.

    Not explicitly divisive?” Holy shit. Do you smoke crack? That’s all that lecturing, finger-wagging, you didn’t build that, they’re the enemy, he was acting stupidly, you cling to your bibles and guns, fucking douche knows.

    What you mean is that he panders to the minority base that he relies on to mindlessly vote for him without looking at what a fucking disaster he’s been, especially when it comes to those he claims to embrace.

    I really can’t believe you said that.

  373. “Maybe if your parents had kicked your ass back then as they should have you’d be more tolerable today…blah blah blah”

    Wasnt Rutgers the esteemed institution that uninvited the first black female secretary of state to speak at one of their precious graduation ceremonies? I bet you regard the little snowflakes who put up that stink as “tolerable,” dontcha.

    Youre just mad because a woman thinks youre stupid. I was ahead of my time and protested in the most meaningful way possible. I was true to myself. I have no regrets.

    Your reading comprehension is no better than your general comprehension. My parents did kick my ass for that one and I said as much.

    Eventually though my parents forgave me. And years later when graduation time came around again my mom joined me in skipping the pomp and circumstance ceremony and sprang for a charming train ride and a week at an up scale hotel in our nations capitol for my present – just the two of us. No regrets there either.

    And lets not compare how we were raised, respectively. Look how you turned out. Unable to think for yourself or to do for others.

  374. I say explicitly for a reason – to head off the reply that Obama is divisive. He is implicitly divisive.

    Yeah. Like punch back twice and hard and punish your enemies. Or implicit in blaming Christians for the Crusades at a Christian prayer breakfast to make moral comparison in the defense of Allahu Akbar.

  375. What matters is this regime has distracted us in the face of looming economic problems associated with Obamacare for one thing. The VA treatment system still has long waiting lines, for another. One more is national security. Our military has resorted to canibalizing old planes to maintain what they must fly. The middle class is fading in many regions.

    Even worse, this bathroom issue denies locals from deciding because the government says it will be done and repercussions will follow any who refuse.

  376. “Alfie, the long analysis misses the point. Trump is explicitly divisive. I say explicitly for a reason – to head off the reply that Obama is divisive. He is implicitly divisive.”

    LOL. Geez. Looks like today isnt the day you get to know what it feels like to he right either, sport.

    Obama is a craven poser, an utter failure. Divisiveness is his hallmark. Lying his greatest talent.

  377. I am still chuckling hours later.

    Obama’s entire schtick is explicit division. It’s all he knows, and it’s what his idiot supporters want.

    Congrats. THE fucking stupidist comment of the year.

  378. Unexpectedly: When Obama took office he inherited a pacified Iraq, where the terrorists had been defeated both militarily and ideologically. Militarily, thanks to Bush’s surge, coupled with the Sunni Awakening, al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI, now the Islamic State) was driven from the strongholds it had established in Anbar and other Iraqi provinces. It controlled no major territory, and its top leader — Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — had been killed by US Special Operations forces.

    Ideologically, the terrorists had suffered a popular rejection. Iraq was supposed to be a place where al-Qaeda rallied the Sunni masses to drive America out, but instead, the Sunnis joined with Americans to drive al-Qaeda out — a massive ideological defeat.

    Obama took that inheritance and squandered it – withdrawing all US forces from Iraq; taking our boot off of the terrorists’ necks; allowing them to regroup and establish a safe haven in Syria; and then when they prepared their offensive back into Iraq, doing nothing while dismissing them as the “JV squad.”

    As Gen. Jack Keane pointed out on Fox News this morning, in Iraq “Bush won the war. Obama lost the peace.”

    Hope & Change, Obama Style!

  379. Im a little confused about which comment you’re on about Rutherford. The Rutgers root doesn’t strike me as the one. As for the Trump classics one I was just offering my perspective on that which the MSM and the rest of the feelers are always wagging their tongues about. Post Obama a non divisive POTUS might be a rarer bird than a California Condor.

  380. I’m so sick of the trans thing. Story out of VT of a girl who wants to br a boy,has no hormone therapy going, school has 6 gender neutral bathrooms in a school of 300 and has intentionally exploded a shit storm for HER own selfishness. I hate America & hope people start dying at high rates.

  381. And lets not compare how we were raised, respectively. Look how you turned out. Unable to think for yourself or to do for others.

    You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. I’ll leave it at that concerning my ability to do for others. You’re fucking clueless.

    You made a point that it was high school graduation and that is very different from college graduation. I’d argue at 22 your conservative moral outrage (gag) held more muster than when you were an 18 year old snot nose.

    You’re a nasty piece of work now but thanks for filling in the blanks. I now see you’ve been that way for a long time.

  382. Oh…and you made the fucking comparison about how we were raised. I did not. Didn’t mention my parents once. And my response to you was based on my being a parent, not on how I was raised.

  383. What matters is this regime has distracted us in the face of looming economic problems …

    James, lots of reasonable observations but none about language used.

  384. Post Obama a non divisive POTUS might be a rarer bird than a California Condor.

    No argument there. Not sure it’s an Obama thing. America is at war with itself and their rejection of John Kasich shows they have no interest in a peace maker.

  385. I dont imagine you get too many requests from people seeking your advice on anything much less something as important as parenting. Someone very similar to you is the most likely parental influence to the unhappy Vermont child insistent on barging in on young boys who only want to pee in peace.

    This sums up nicely all the wisdom you have to offer on any subject –

  386. I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume Tex and James and Poolman attended their kid’s high school graduations with pride. I know none of them personally so I could be wrong. What you did, Muffy, was not ahead of your time. It was selfish and immature. It was a stunt and you know it. As a middle aged woman by now you should look back on it with slight embarrassment, not some sense that you were some trailblazer.

  387. Rutherford youre wailing about nothing. You dont approve of something I said or did and I dont give a fuck. That about covers it.

    Youve been an ill-tempered toddler ever since I said you were wrong about Raji. This is just overblown revenge theater.

  388. I slap around wimpy liberal emos for fun.

    I have a better idea. Why dont you try ignoring me again? I didnt notice it soon enough to enjoy it for very long.

  389. Yes, Rutherford, we attended our children’s graduations, and we were as proud as any other parents.

    No, Rutherford I don’t like the language used. While we need Demosthenes they give us Donald Duck. Demosthenes practiced oratory with rocks in his mouth, but our modern speakers have rocks in the wrong place.

    Now we face a the choice of a lying whore, an economic imbecile, and a narcissistic clown as our next president.

    “Is this a great country or what?”

  390. Congratulations to the circle jerk crowd! DUH it didn’t take rocket science to figure that out. Muffy you were slow on the draw. Thanks Rutherford for playing along even though you got slammed as usual. My experiment worked. Anyone who comments on this blog who agrees with R gets both barrels.
    You guys need to get a life!

    Emily aka Raji

  391. I had you figured out by your second comment, Lady Lie, checked the gravatars, and always responded to you accordingly.

    Thanks for playing along Rutherford? Raji old girl you have proven much more than you give yourself credit for.

  392. I did attend my kids’ high school graduations. I even attended the graduations of my brother-in-law’s kids. It was out of respect and honor for the kids. I could care less who stands up and delivers those ‘words of wisdom’.

    Today it is all about supporting the grand kids and their endeavors. I certainly am not one that enjoys ceremony or pomp. I’ve also gained the ability to enjoy middle school band performances, mostly without cringing.

  393. Rites of passage are part of all cultures. Ideally my grand kids would get a good homeschooling and learn a trade they were interested in. Graduation would be less of an event and more of a platform from which to launch their own destinies. I get the rebellious attitude, but sometimes it is better to go along for the sake of others. In those times, it isn’t about me.

  394. Playing along?

    LOL.

    Thanks Rutherford. Thanks for letting Raji make you look stupid.

    But at least she agrees with you and not the “circle jerk crowd.”

    Duh.

  395. I’ve got to get me a goat. lol. No place for one now, but some day in the not too distant future. Goats are cool. Tasty, too. Chickens are first. I still need to finish the chicken coop as my spare time has gone into establishing the garden. It is so worth it as we enjoy homegrown tomatoes and now the second wave of yummy strawberries. Blackberries this year, too. The peppers are wonderful. All kind of bell and some green chiles. Mrs poolman loves her jalapenos, she grows 3 kinds!

    Today is misty/rainy and 68 degrees.

  396. If I never attend another graduation, it will be too soon. With a family my wife’s size, it’s every fricking May and sometimes December too. I always contemplate death by lethal injection while putting my nice clothes on.

    Next year, baby daughter is due to graduate from grad school. My wife makes me stay awake because I can whistle loud. I skipped my niece’s grad week before least with my mother’s permission and got to watch the Kentucky Derby for the first time in a dozen years, live.

    It was wonderful. 😈

  397. LOL Tex FWIW I’m not suggesting graduations are the best form of entertainment although I don’t find them as excruciating as you do. But surely seeing your girls mark a milestone moved you a bit?

  398. Tigre, Raji/Emily was being gracious to me. I wasn’t playing along. I was duped plain and simple but I accept her reason for doing it, quite different from Pfesser, and we’re moving on.

  399. Anyone who comments on this blog who agrees with R gets both barrels.

    Tsk tsk…I have been quite polite to “Ms. Emily.” 🙂

  400. But surely seeing your girls mark a milestone moved you a bit?

    Oh sure. The oldest had all kinds of awards, both university and foundation honors and graduated Summa Cum. The youngest graduated Magna Cum and was elected the top student of her graduating class – so they get to wear the medals and ribbons and are singled out to some degree or other while walking across stage, while you think your lucky stars you married a woman smarter than you. 😈

    I guess it makes you proud to take pictures with them out in the lobby with all their stuff wrapped around their neck, hoping the other people think your kids are smart because you were brilliant. 😆 😆

    It’s better to be lucky than good is my motto.

  401. Emily/Ragi/Fred? I don’t care who you are, but I am glad you are still here.

    “Anyone who agrees with Rutherford gets it with both barrels.” Not true for me. Aside from a couple of personal attacks the only major fire I have attracted is associated with some music videos I have posted.

    I like graduation ceremonies, maybe because I missed my college ceremony. My parents attended my brother’s ( a year later) and my college graduation ceremonies but we weren’t there. They walked up to get our diplomas.

    My brother was on his way to Vietnam, and I was field training in the 104 degree heat of a dense forest.

  402. I am bragging. My wife graduated Summa Cum with a 3.96 GPA. I played around and had a 2.8 GPA, though later I did graduate with honors from grad school.

    You deserve to be proud, Tex, not just for the grades, but for the hard work that earned them.

  403. Poolman, we had our last freezes so far on Saturday and Sunday after a nasty hail and wind storm gave our grand daughter nightmares. Hail blocked streets and snow plows removed piles of hail. Some remained late the next morning when we returned to Omaha. Houses and cars were damaged.

    My wife and I went home that night after a meeting because I had a bad feeling about the weather and wanted our car in our garage.

    Our peas, sweetcorn, potatoes zuchini and onions are doing well. Our grand daughter will be at the farm this afternoon to help plant a couple more tomato plants.

    Our iris are in full bloom, and our strawberries are making little berries. Unlike yours, our strawberries won’t be ripe until sometime in June.

    Our grand daughter is doing well, though her soft spot is as big as it was before she could walk.

    Her mind is interesting. She can remember back farther than most, and she makes connections. Her head may have grown a bit.

    Lotta, the young Finish woman I have mentioned says that vocational high school grads enter the work force immediately and do well for themselves. Many have jobs before they graduate.

  404. The social media mob would benefit from entertaining the ideas of others and ingesting anti-anxiety medication, and the entire political process would reap the rewards.

    Apparently the writer of this article interviewed Daryl Hall and asked a question about cultural appropriation. “Objective” readers of the interview magnified a simple question/answer into a major political disagreement. This article is the writer’s reaction to the brouhaha and his assessment that we have devolved from logical discourse to mindless “go to your corners” confrontations.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/17/daryl_hall_did_not_destroy_me_sorry_to_disappoint_the_right_wing_social_media_mob_but_his_cultural_appropriation_comments_didnt_faze_me/.

  405. Lotta, the young Finish woman I have mentioned says that vocational high school grads enter the work force immediately and do well for themselves. Many have jobs before they graduate.

    This is precisely the model we should be shooting for. Not necessarily exclusively vocational school, though that should be in the mix, but the path from school to job needs to be strengthened. Meaningful partnerships between schools and businesses should funnel good students into jobs. The campus career office does not cut it anymore.

  406. “. . . quite different from Pfesser, and we’re moving on.”

    The circle jerk crowd will decide when move on. 😆

    I not gonna indulge damseling from someone that comes on, name-calls, and spews bullshit until called out. Raji/Emily needs Carla to send her a good kick to the cooter.

  407. “Aside from a couple of personal attacks the only major fire I have attracted is associated with some music videos I have posted.”

    Ah, ah, ah. Let’s not forget the flashmob videos. Yeesh.

  408. The author of that Salon piece (of shit) is one thin-skinned motherfucker. Worried that he was made to look like a fool for. . . having an agenda that he clearly has. Who the fruck cares what he thinks of himself or the right? Seriously. He asked the question for a reason. Apparently there was some big reaction he didn’t like — but only because it impugned his liberal superiority. What a pussy.

    The SJW cultural appropriation schtick is, in fact, a call to segregate. The empowerment through division (that Rutherford doesn’t see in Obama LOL) is why the left passively tolerates it if not embraces it.

    So what about that piece made you post it here, R? If you “objectively” read the article you’d see that the dude “is the social media mob.”

  409. I have no interest in attending graduations of any kind. For the most part they are ridiculous donkey show that only serve as a minor footnote of ones life. Graduations,especially the two “big” ones i.e. HS and first college degree are especially insipid. They are big shows trying to be the cherry on the sundae;however,the day is not any type of ending. I hate them! Wanna know how I feel about weddings?

  410. @ Rutherford unfortunately schools,parents,unions and industry don’t have the time or patience to do the thing you speak of. Once upon a time they did but even then they kind of were weak or depended heavily on legacy companies ponying up huge.
    America should be looking at education and employment solutions that do in fact take a more vocational path. It is why compared to Europe our university system is kind of a fucking joke and I include the Ivy’s in that condemnation.
    Our “everyone goes to college” bullshit has killed us. It has helped to burden any attempts to maintain blue collar vocations at appropriate levels and have handcuffed us from being able to deal with new technologies. (ex. wind turbines+no US schools offering technician training=turbines woefully maintained)
    I don’t know about the Finns but the Germans vocational training program is long and arduous but pays off in the end.

  411. Hall & Oates SUCKED
    That they “failed” to gain the critical acclaim the art fag types believe they deserved is an example of the pox that is upon America. Boo-hoo hoo fucking capitalism prevents my niche performer from being great. Same fucking dolts call the artists sell outs when they do click with the general population. Fucking people suck too.
    Salon is an uber liberal douche rag so I imagine that is why wing nuts prowl it and try to jump on its case. The article with Hall was ok I guess. The Reason piece that the Salon writer even gives a nod to is superior.
    The “didn’t destroy” me piece is kind of petty,the Salon guy should’ve declined to enter into that fray. His other work is actually kind of weak but I give him props for being willing to tackle some of the topics and still rely on bad books and Salon to pay his bills.

    Summing up I would agree with YOU Rutherford that Americas “camps” have cemented in their revulsion of one another and have abandoned discourse. We see this everywhere up to and including the halls that are supposed to be the place for discussion if not actual dialog.
    Perhaps we really should just get calling ourselves the Divided States of America.

  412. Daryl Hall does NOT SUCK. If you don’t like his tunes, fine. Most of the old poppy H&O shit was pretty bad. But Hall, as an individual performer (not necessarily songwriter) is soulful as shit in his post-pop shit and frankly a damn fine musician.

    If only he were Finnish. . .

  413. The SJW cultural appropriation schtick is, in fact, a call to segregate.

    So long as blacks are not being financially exploited, I completely agree with you. The entire evolution of music, particularly rock and roll, is about cultural appropriation. And 99% of musicians pay explicit homage to the folks who influenced them.

    I still think the author makes a good point. I didn’t read the original interview but he says he asked Hall a question. Hall answered. The author actually agreed with Hall. And yet the media invented a conflict where none existed. Now you’re suggesting the question was loaded in the first place?

  414. It has helped to burden any attempts to maintain blue collar vocations at appropriate levels

    I’d like to believe you on this but what good is vocational training for a job that was shipped overseas? Corps need to stop offshoring and view vocational schools as a pipeline for potential employees. As long as maximizing profit is their only goal, this will never happen.

  415. You know, Tigre, you’ve really got to stop the SJW shit. There is no better example of a social justice warrior than a florist who won’t make an arrangement for a gay wedding.

  416. I think Poolman suffers from this malady also.

    I’m gonna accuse you of not paying attention too. Anarchy, baby.

  417. Now you’re suggesting the question was loaded in the first place?
    Actually the Salon guy said it kind of was. His more exact phrasing was that good interviewers ask questions expecting or at least hoping for an answer.

    The offshoring thing needs a nap. Automation has killed more jobs and America has failed to capitalize on that shift. When a robot takes your job you learn how to repair/maintain the robot. A good example is either GM or Ford I can’t remember which bought this crazy ass laser spot welder. So human welders are out. Here’s the catch the fucking robot needs new points every 700 welds or so and there isn’t a robot for that. Also the poor robot needs to be kept healthy. Instead of sending welders to community college for exciting careers in IT {lol lol} they should maybe send them to a course that certifies them in working the machine.

  418. “There is no better example of a social justice warrior than a florist who won’t make an arrangement for a gay wedding.”

    How is that? That doesn’t even make sense. The florist isn’t trying the bend society to his will, he is avoiding getting bent by society.

  419. Yes, the flash mob videos…Its too bad the fad has passed its peak.

    Our daughter is training for a new type of post traumatic therapy and needs some experimental subjects. She wants to try me.

    The poor girl will be muttering at the walls and wishing flash mobs were the worst of her troubles.

  420. I agree Daryl Hall does not suck. He also had some bad times during his career. “Out of Touch” was based on the death of a friend and had religious connotations.

    If he was Finish, we probably would never have heard of him.

  421. Admittance to Finish high schools is not automatic. One applies as if to college. High schools specialize in vocational occupations, languages, sports and fine arts, education and the professions.

    Lotta said that one weakness is that at 14 or 15 most students choosing a track still don’t know what they want to do with their lives.

    Nearly half of Finland’s comprehensive upper graduates attend vocational schools. The system adjusts the curriculum to match changing economic circumstances and the type of jobs available. Over half of the course work is on the job training.

    High school graduates may apply to various colleges to further enhance their skills.

    Lotta, for example, entered a general curriculum high school with an emphasis on physics and math. She could have entered an English or other language only school, but she learned several languages on her own.

    I have also read as Alfie wrote that Germany has a good system.

    By the way Alfie, what do you think of weddings?
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  422. “You know, Tigre, you’ve really got to stop the SJW shit. There is no better example of a social justice warrior than a florist who won’t make an arrangement for a gay wedding.”

    Huh?

  423. How is that? That doesn’t even make sense. The florist isn’t trying the bend society to his will, he is avoiding getting bent by society.

    That commrnt shows you have blinders on. Of course the florist is bending society to his will as is the guy requesting the arrangement. It is a war of wills as to what is socially acceptable. The florist is as much a warrior as the gay guy and his advocates.

    Think I’m wrong? Go back and review the victory dance of the marriage license lady and Mike Huckabee. They looked like warriors to me.

  424. Your response to my comment about the Salon piece is a string of non-sequiturs. I honestly don’t get your point.

    So. . . “huh?” Again.

  425. Tigre, our failure to communicate must be a combo of my poor writing skills and your poor reading skills. I’ll try again:

    1) I inferred from your comment that you felt complaints about cultural appropriation are tantamount to calls for segregation, i.e. blacks making “black music” and whites making “white music”. I say rock and roll in particular is all about a mix of influences (appropriation). I THINK we agree on this. Am I wrong?

    2) If the interviewer asks a question, even a loaded one, and is satisfied with the answer then it’s not some huge political contest and there are those in the media (left and right) who will nevertheless try to make a mountain out of a molehill.

  426. Tigre, you know how history is written by the victors? Well, language to a large extent is defined by those manipulating opinion.

    I know that SJW is currently defined as championing left wing causes. But that is totally incorrect because the bible thumping florist wants his own version of social justice. That goes for the marriage license lady too.

    Your use of SJW as a perjorative, as is commonly used today by the right, shows you have a one sided view what fighting for social justice is.

    BTW, according to Wiki, the term was once politically neutral.

  427. Anyone who has used the words “The Clash” and “influential” in the same sentence doesn’t have much room to be a music critic around here.

  428. Rutherford, my comment about appropriation was broader than musical performers/styles that, like other art forms, is expressive. We have armies of college kids demanding that their “culture” not be “appropriated.” From wiggers wearing dreads to the protests over school menus that don’t rigorously replicate ethnic foods. Of course, black lives, not all lives, matter. “Don’t steal my culture;” not “don’t imitate their culture. This shit defined segregation.

    And from that you write, “[s]o long as blacks are not being financially exploited, I completely agree with you. What the hell does one have to do with the other? Does someone need permission? You can imitate but others better not exploit or all bets are off. If that’s not what you;re saying I haven’t got a damn clue what you’re talking about. So long as . . .??? Reverse the races in your mind, try that again, and let me know how it works.

    As for your weird analogy (sounds like you’re repeating a sound bit from some idiot on (MSNBC), the florist is not out there demanding the gays change, they’re objecting to being forced to participate in an event that violates their religious principles. Do you call a jewish caterer that refuses to prepare and serve pork a “social justice warrior?” You analogy is just so silly.

    And the term “social justice warrior” was not supplied by their critics. If you think it sucks that it has a negative connotation, that’s too damn bad. The term liberal is an insult to me. You think it makes you part of a group of smart people you want to be like. You know, like Mika and Donny. 😆

  429. “Anyone who has used the words “The Clash” and “influential” in the same sentence doesn’t have much room to be a music critic around here.”

    LOL.

  430. “Don’t steal my culture.”

    The Brits loved rock and roll. The Liverpool Yanks, sailors who brought records to Britain helped spread the music after Bill Haley and the others went home.

    Rock and roll was virtually dead in the US when Brits took it back to its birth place. Ironically, many Americans didn’t realize the British Invasion had taken the music to its original home.

    What of Nordic rock bands, Lativian hip hop, or Czech country music? What of Chuck Berry?

    One who says “don’t steal my culture” is a fascist.

  431. Humans are natural mimics. It is what we do and there are many who claim it is for survival.

    When it comes to ‘stealing someone’s culture’, it should be noted first of all that there is nothing new under the sun. Everything cultural can be categorized in the human experience as: been there/done that. Our nation, as example, is a blend of many cultures. Our styles and traditions are all borrowed or copied from others. It has been said ‘imitation is the sincerest form of flattery’. I guess that view doesn’t provide the necessary victim/oppressor conflict or promote a branding that marketers seek.

    People ought to be more concerned with losing freedoms rather than fake identity crises. I believe people know they are being stolen from, but are clueless as to what is really being taken from them. If this is what is being learned in campuses across the country, we need to pull our kids out of these poisoned pits.

    America’s new frontier: How low can we really go?

  432. The liberals used to refer to America as a “melting pot” with great reverence. Now it’s “don’t appropriate my culture.”

    So, Rutherford, what aspects of WASP culture should not be “appropriated?” Appropriating WASP culture not only takes away from the WASP’s but it dilutes non-WASP culture, right? Try your hand at identifying the aspects of WASP culture that should not be “appropriated” without sounding like a Klan member.

    I note that you brush on the same idiotic redefinition of racism so that it only applies to whites.

    Yes, it’s all about power.

  433. Texas Gov: JFK Wanted To Send Man To Moon — Obama Wants To Send Man To Ladies Room.

    You are the generation we all waited for!

  434. Morely Safer died. He was a great reporter and story teller who won many awards. Unfortunately, many of his stories from Vietnam were untrue.

    Good riddance.

  435. Homo Democratus says “shame”.
    After the Republican House Majority pushed some vote switchers an over the top amendment was defeated. I say over the top for two reasons. #1 reinforcing an Executive Order of an outgoing President is out of line in my book. #2 there shouldn’t be agenda driven amendments on bills meant to fund veterans and active duty personnel and amendments like that shouldn’t be fought against under religious freedom clauses of the CRA.

    If someone wants to tell me how,why when an openly homosexual contractor needs to make it a point they are a flaming faggot in the process of getting access to a federal contract I’d really like to hear about it.
    Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean that impacts your ability to bid and it shouldn’t be an obvious cause against you.
    This incident is the epitome of what is wrong with the Gay Nazis and their Democrat Party allies.

  436. Tigre, the exploitation I was referring to was old black blues guys not getting any royalties from the songs white acts like the Stones covered. My memory is rusty but I think Muddy Waters is an example. I think Richard Penniman (Little Richard) fought hard to get proper remuneration. Or he may have just bitched about not getting it. I forget.

    As for appropriation of WASP culture, I find a very different dynamic applies. Blacks get dissed for “acting white”. I had a classmate Freshman year from the hood and every time he went home on breaks he’d get abused for selling out and attending Harvard.

    I’m sure entire books have been written about the privileged class emulating parts of minority culture complete with theories why they do it. I’ve always been curious about white’s embrace of rap music, which I, incidentally, consider mostly garbage.

  437. R, we’re having two different conversations now.

    Suffice it to say, wiggers get plenty of grief. Or should I say “dissed.”

    The point remains. The allegations of appropriation you allege are a call to segregate. So if that’s what you want don’t be surprised when you’re obliged.

    Just keep your hands off our white women. 😆

  438. I’m sure entire books have been written about the ALL classes emulating parts of ALL cultures complete with theories why they do it.

    They do it becuase diversity can be awesome. Humanity can be awesome. You probably don’t hear that enough from the right becuase the left has politicized, militarized and monetized the claim.

    Grow a pair and tell your fascist friends on the left to fuck off.

  439. As for your weird analogy (sounds like you’re repeating a sound bit from some idiot on (MSNBC), the florist is not out there demanding the gays change, they’re objecting to being forced to participate in an event that violates their religious principles. Do you call a jewish caterer that refuses to prepare and serve pork a “social justice warrior?” You analogy is just so silly.

    I’ll ignore the persistent accusation that I’m a dumb blond parroting MSNBC.

    If the Jewish caterer doesn’t make it clear up front what his terms of service are, then he is (and should be) in a world of hurt.

    And yes, the implicit message from the florist is “if you conformed to MY social norms I would serve you”. So yes, he does want the gay guy to change.

  440. The florist isn’t a society. He’s a motherfucker. We are all free motherfuckers. Not part of your heavy collective. Fascist.

  441. First of all your analogy is asinine. A Jew who caters makes a decision up front what his limitations (based on religion) are. So, for example he advertises “kosher caterer” so prospects know from the get go what to expect.

    In the current climate it would make sense for all faith-devoted merchants to make clear “traditional Christian florist” or “traditional Christian wedding photographer”. That way, expectations are properly set.

    As long as the sign on the door just says “baker” you’re baking for whomever has the Benjamins.

    And to Rabbits point, yes the florist is just a motherfucker. He’s not “society”. Neither is the gay patron. So some objective intermediary needs to help them resolve their conflicting social constructs.

  442. Rabbit, plain and simple, refusal of service is a slippery slope that needs to be carefully monitored.

    You know full well the Grand Dragon’s widow ain’t going to a black florist. But even so, the analogy fails. The Grand Dragon hates the group the florist belongs to. Gay folks don’t hate Christians. Gay folks aren’t asking the Christian florist to watch them fornicate. They just want fucking flowers. Is that so hard?

  443. Let’s say the answer is yes, that’s really hard.

    Then, advertise yourself as a religious-based merchant. I’m a Jew, I don’t make pork. I’m a devout Christian, I don’t cater same-sex weddings. Be up front about it.

    I don’t look for donuts at the hardware store unless the stupid store owner has a picture of donuts in the window.

  444. So yes, he does want the gay guy to change.
    Actually he doesn’t he just wants the gay guy to go somewhere else.
    Not to risk making this more jumbled here I go….
    A social justice warrior is geared up for society even though they readily assault individuals to accomplish their goals. The florist,baker types are more like individual justice warriors. They’re not telling anyone they can’t have cake or flowers,they’re just standing firm on the degree to which they’re personally willing to offer them.

  445. You need a sign rather than saying “up front” I don’t cater gay weddings? WTF? What does the sign do that the shop owner doesn’t?

  446. Rutherford secondary your latest comments you better be found front and center anywhere someone posts a sign stating exactly who they serve.

    Don’t forget some of the headline cases didn’t have a denial of making a cake BUT the delivery & service aspect ala a level of participation.

  447. Hey R, how about requiring them to wear an armband with the star if David on it so everyone knows? Wouldn’t want to leave ’em guessing whether they’re religious or social justice warriors.

  448. Oh yeah. No shirt, no shoes, no service sign required or you gotta serve ’em.

    You’re the legal eagle. Why do so many establishments have exactly that sign on the door of their place of business? Aren’t they setting expectations?

    Does the dude who runs the kosher deli have an armband on? No. But the fucking deli makes it clear they’re kosher.

    If society is becoming more accepting of gays, why is it such a burden for the florist to make it clear through signage, advertisements, etc. that he does not service events that are nontraditional? Mmm, could he be afraid he’d lose straight business?

  449. Why do so many establishments have exactly that sign on the door of their place of business? Aren’t they setting expectations?

    Not to jump the shark on ET the reason for those signs is to comply with public health law. You could be hippie fucktard tofu shop you have to make them wear shoes,even if the shoes are ratty Birkies.

  450. R, are you inconvenienced by having the shop owner tell you he doesn’t do gay weddings. For real. You need a fucking sign because it’s more convenient to drive by it rather than being told hen you enter?

    p.s. Kosher and handling pork are not one and the same. But you need a sign that says “not pork here, we’re jews.” How fucking retarded

    pps. you obviously don’t need a sign saying you have to wear a shirt to deny service to the shirtless. Or as you call it, social warioring. Fuck man.

  451. I could see a legitimate gripe if you were denied service for not wearing pants. The sign doesn’t cover that.

  452. While I’m not a big fan of the gay/black equivalency, by your logic, Tigre, why can’t a merchant say “I don’t serve blacks”? You are aware that antebellum Southen racists thought God supported their prejudices. Serving blacks violates the religious liberty of those who feel God made blacks inferior. So why can’t they say no blacks?

    To be more generic, at what point is the religious liberty argument a crock of shit?

  453. Different discussion SJW. We’re talking “appropriation.” Usual misdirection. And I’m not going there with you since we’ve been through it ad neuseum and you have an endless supply of white oppression running through the business community that you will fix through SJW violence and attacks. Never black. They’re special and must not be judged ’cause they can’t help it. They’re racists and criminal and declining because of white people and people that are “kinda white.” But not if they wear a dress and pee standing up ’cause when you make the right choices, you’re special too . Ask Dolezal. Or Rutherford.

    You and that mentally challenged Raji think pizza shop owners (that had signs) needed to shut the fuck up, jewish caterers must serve pork, blacks apparently must serve the KKK — oh yea, my bad, liberal or non-white KKK, and provide special facilities for all sexes to interact and enjoy pooping, peeing and doing “whatever” together.

    So which SJW religions ban AA blacks as customers other than Muslims? Can’t say that I’ve ever seen it, ever, anywhere. Got an example? Do they have a sign? It would be really helpful if they had a sign so you and your totalitarian friends can pick them out, you now?

    Up your game, Rutherford. No one here is under the age of 13.

  454. And BTW, we whites don’t need you appropriating our culture. Stay out of our clothing shops, restaurants an concerts. And stop sounding white. White lives matter. The Kangol shop is across the street next to the soul food joint. Our side has what’s called “home cooking” which is really the same thing with better ingredients and served with a sickly southern accent from someone that “can” be bothered. You may Eddie Bower and The Gap when we are done with it.

    Just go back to your own churches and stop appropriating our culture.

  455. And stop missappriating cars and televisions we invented. We will sacrifice peanut butter if we must to keep the cultures pure.

  456. Was just contacted by a member of the Georgia Association for Women Lawyers (GAWL).

    GAWL.

    Perfecto.

    Only interested in the penis challenged.

    And still wouldn’t accept my application.

    GAWL!

  457. I started the local campaign to stop Take Our Daughters to Work Day when the holiday featured Sally Ride in an Omaha program. I called for tickets.

    I also asked if bringing our son was a problem. No boys except parents were allowed. I said I couldn’t leave him alone an hour away at home.

    “Couldn’t he wait in the car?”

    Sexist bitch.

  458. Ha Ha! He would have been a manly girl.

    He scrawled his name on a scholarship application years later when he was ready for college. Someone thought he had written an Hispanic name.

    The committee offered him a lot of money because he was a minority. He told the truth about his true last name, and the money went to someone else.

  459. slang for the 50 Chinese cents they allegedly receive for each social media post

    Dang. I could supplement my income substantially if they would pay for anti-Obama posts and I wouldn’t even have to propagandize. 🙂

  460. Bill Clinton just made Poland and Hungary furious. Of course, Juanetta Broderich has re issued her charge that Bill raped her The field is ready for multiple anti Clinton. posts.

  461. Dang. I could supplement my income substantially if they would pay for anti-Obama posts and I wouldn’t even have to propagandize. 🙂

    Now you know I was thinking of you, Tex, when I posted that article. 😂😂

    BTW, love the new avatar. Showed it to my daughter and it scared the shit out of her.

  462. “Hey Tigre, when does the freedom of religion defense become pure bullshit?”

    I don’t get the question. You mean like Muhammad Ali (conscientious objection), Scientology (tax exempt), Pope Francis extra-religious decrees, natural law (underpinning of our founding/Declaration of Independence)? What exactly?

    Better question: when does calling someone’s convictions pure bullshit constitute pure bullshit?

  463. R, if you like GAWL, are you aware of the (for real) renaming of George Mason law school to honor Scalia?

  464. I had to Google it to refresh my memory but yes, ASSoL is classic.

    Remember my John McCain Female Woman Haters Club from back in 2008? If I had the intellectual fortitude, I’d start a new “living post” called Bullshit Uses of Religious Freedom where I list them as I find them. Scientology probably would make the list. 😊

  465. Freedom of religion must be absolute except for harmful practices such as human sacrifices.

    Scientology may be BS, but we can’t remove it from the list.

    This video is based on fact. A friend and his girlfriend broke up. She either had an abortion or the baby died. A week later, she killed herself.

    Who was responsible? Did everyone share the blame? How many of us share the blame for our current state of affairs? Can we rationalize our voting for people who harm our society by saying it doesn’t matter because one vote doesn’t count? We have the power to vote and change governments, but do we take responsibility for our electorial decisions?

  466. “How many of us share the blame for our current state of affairs? Can we rationalize our voting for people who harm our society by saying it doesn’t matter because one vote doesn’t count?”

    Ask yourself that after making your lesser-of-two-evils vote for Trump. I’ll sleep just fine at night with my decision that neither major party is worthy of my vote.

  467. I agree with Huck. My vote for Dr. Jill Stein may be a throwaway but I’ll go to bed that night knowing I did not contribute to either of two assclowns running our country.

    Each one of you who votes for Trump deserve the consequences.

  468. Freedom of religion must be absolute except for harmful practices such as human sacrifices.

    You know the mind of God? My God wants one baby immolated in the town square every Sunday. That’s why the world is so fucked. My God is not getting satisfaction. 😇😇😇

  469. Since I’ve written in candidates in past elections I can appreciate some folks position on voting. I would only caution that your vote should mean something on Wednesday otherwise you’re wasting your time.
    As of right now I have no intention of voting for Trump but there is a single item that will change that.
    Both James and I will have a right and responsibility on Wednesday will Rutherford & Huck ?

  470. Alfie, I only mentioned Trump because I know no one here is voting for Clinton. But you are right. The #imwither crowd will also reap what they sow.

    I go back and forth almost daily on who is the worse choice.

  471. Biden at West Point: “you’re about to join the greatest fighting force and group of warriors in the history of the world.”

    WTF is he bragging about? It would send a far deeper message if West Point grads dressed in black to mourn the fact that they’re needed in the first place – that the human race can’t fucking get along with each other.

  472. I go back and forth almost daily on who is the worse choice.

    As it stands right now I think they are equal in their negatives as for overall value although each have their own tick marks.
    I think Hillary will experience two years of hellish obstruction with no guarantee the midterms swing her way or otherwise offer a reset. Trump will actually be all about the first year and how Congress decides to behave. His VP choice is paramount. On a stretch I’d say advantage:Trump.
    For effects on the country Hillary will either be status quo or roundly negative. I think either way we have at least 365 days of Warren trying to set an agenda much along the lines of the recent two debacles. (min. wage salaried employees & attacking Uber et al)
    Either of them will be disgusting to watch on a daily basis. My only joy with HRC is I sincerely think the grind will kill her.

  473. I don’t think she’s as crafty as Bill. She is a continuation of Obama only on the obstruction front. She’ll prove that the obstruction of Obama was not entirely race based.

    Care to expand on your Trump comment. I’m interested in how he’ll redefine presidency.

  474. Trump does not fully understand how government runs. Through the “strength” of his personality he will push boundaries. He will attempt to do things a typical pol would never try. He will put RFK’s ask why not instead of why into action.

    I have zero doubt he will try to make nations pay more for their protection. He will attack trade imbalances as no potus has tried before. This is in his wheelhouse.

    He will redefine the president as consummate deal maker.

    Or he won’t. 😊

    That’s the gamble.

  475. I will take responsibility for the small part I played if Trump became president and did something stupid like declared war on Mexico.

    We know what Hillary will do, and we know she will further institutionalize the toxic progressive agenda through Supreme Court appointments and other measures.

    Trump is an unknown. He is a shape shifter who tells crowds what they want to hear. Donald could be better or worse than we expect. I think I know more than he does about world economics and military strategy. My own lack of knowledge would keep me awake at night if I dwelt on it.

    He also has authoritarian tendencies as Obama does. Trump brags about his advisors. They had better be better than some of the people telling him how to win the election.

    Alfie raises a good point. Hillary has health problems, and she is old. She might die or be disabled before the end of her term. That could create another set of problems.

    Only two people have a chance at the presidency. A vote for one is a vote against the other. A vote for someone else is an abstention which will help one or the other candidates.

    Will the millions of people who vote for the only two candidates who have a chance or the millions who vote for other candidates take responsibility? Or will they be like the subject of the video?
    T

  476. “My only joy with HRC is I sincerely think the grind will kill her.”

    Ha ha! Now that is something I can drink to.

  477. Woodrow Wilson had a stroke, and his wife secretly became in effect, our first female president. Grampa Bill could serve his third term if Hillary has an extended coughing spell and falls again.

  478. I subscribe to a podcast called Trumpcast. Today they covered The Apprentice and a so called media writer came on and lied about the show. Out and out lies.

    This is one reason Trump is winning. He calls out the lying press and his followers are with him.

  479. The Washington Post, I think, printed a story about the hundreds of thousands of people in the US training to fight our government. Some are violent nut cases, of course, but others are merely disgusted and frightened of current trends.

    The story didn’t mention the European organizations creating chapters in the United States.

    This attitude is related to support for Trump and a lessor degree to Sanders as Rutherford wrote. We are watching a revolution begun by the Tea Party, and as a local meteorologist said about tomorow’s weather, “we do have stormy conditions ahead.”

  480. This has been the toughest election for me since ’92. I knew Ross Perot would throw the vote to the skunk Clinton. So I voted for Bush Sr, though millions like me knew we had been lied to in the worst way and had lost all respect for Bush.

    I’m still in the boat of a protest vote and the safety of knowing Hillary Clinton will not win Oklahoma. But the thought of a liar and grossly incompetent thug like Hillary Clinton is almost too much to bear. It’s still possible I succumb to human weakness and vote Trump for the sole reasons of keeping Clinton out of the White House and scaring the hell of out of the Left and the feckless media.

    But I still believe Trump has many fascist tendencies which make me quite uncomfortable and the fact Trump is a blowhard and a liar too.

    And it would be easier for me if millions of Trump supporters weren’t as equally vile as Obama supporters.

  481. Seldom do I compliment Dimocrats about much of anything as they deserve condemnation for about everything. But I do give the tip of the cap to Dimocrats of Feel the Bern type for this. 😆 😆

  482. Watch the Clinton Machine put the Screws to Feel the Bern. Utter, complete bullshit…but delicious at the same time.

  483. I think Trump is less a threat in the overall game than Hillary. Fuck from Whitewater to Clinton Foundation or whatever it’s called she’s a proven grafter.

  484. Tex the coronation of Clinton was preordained. They didn’t count on a socialist in his 70’s fucking things up.

    I hope the Sandernistas burn the fucking dnc convention to the ground. Even if it means President Trump, a scary proposition.

  485. Here’s one reason Sandernistas are apoplectic. HRC has a chance to show grace. Instead she’s telling anyone who will listen that “I will be the nominee”. She ain’t yet and she’s so tone deaf that she doesn’t understand her arrogance enrages Bernie supporters.

  486. Gowdy: Nothing new
    Sandernistas: Have nothing to whine about regards Hillary since they live in a reality very much of their own making. Any number of “feel the Bern” types are the same folks who uttered “We won” secondary to the Obamamessiah.
    As for burning the DNC down,well that’s kind of hard to do since they’ll probably be corralled blocks away.

    If Sanders fans want to impress me and more importantly history they need to not give in or up. They are for no matter what folks think its worth,being some of the most honest people in US politics,and I extend that to Sanders himself.

  487. One problem, Alfie. The Democrats expect to take back the Senate. Sanders wants good committee chairmanships.

    Sanders’ followers may be honest. Sanders may be honest, but Senate power is too good to let go.

  488. So you know, that is a satire site.

    Much truth in satire. The tweet will piss off the Hillarywhores and that’s fine with me.

    Never imagined I’d become an internet troll. This is what HRC has driven me to.

  489. Apparently Trump v Clinton has one issue driven difference ala gun control.

    From what I’m hearing, HRC will make gun control a major talking point in the campaign. Given the current mood of the country, Trump will win that battle.

  490. China was arguably the most advanced nation in the world, but an accidental confluence of events created freedom among fractious European nations. First Holland and then Britain followed by other countries recreated the world through the Industrial Revolution.

    Our founding fathers and their foreign enablers created one of the most audacious experiments in history, and even they weren’t sure how long it would survive.

    We grew up believing our society would last forever, but enemies within aided by ignorance, laziness, and authoritarism have begun to destroy our world as surely as the Romanian singer’s world disintegrated.

  491. Ah, who would’ve thunk it. Friend at NYU sent picture of the gender neutral bathrooms.

    They’re generally used for random gay sex.

    You want it, you got it.

  492. Well, things got a bit too close for comfort last night when the complex building next door caught fire.

    Tigre and Rabbit came THIS close to having their fantasy of my BMW fried. It was housed in a garage at the end of the building and the fire was in the center.

    It displaced probably a dozen families and scared the living shit out of the “Lawson’s”.

    It’s trite but be thankful for your good fortune every day.

    http://abc7chicago.com/news/crews-battle-fire-at-naperville-apartment-building/1352714/

  493. Glad you’re safe.

    Now, whatever you read into my comment about NYU will be chalked up to smoke inhalation (and the preexisting brain damage).

  494. Holy sheet. Just saw the news video. Scary shit. Impressive that it was contained.

    Missed a chance to dispose of that bathmat, you know, to smother the fire.

    However, it’s only a matter of time before the Bamer will burst into flames on it’s own.

    Of course, from what I saw, that bathmat could spontaneously combust too.

  495. Of course, from what I saw, that bathmat could spontaneously combust too.

    That’s no joke. Do you know how paranoid an incident like this makes you? Found my daughter sleeping on top of her charging iPhone last night. Really????

    This article is more geared toward EMT nerds like Alfie. Lots of interesting detail on the automation in place that kept it from being far worse.

    http://www.positivelynaperville.com/2016/05/23/naperville-fire-department-american-red-cross-respond-apartment-fire/60220

  496. Tigre, as I remember, Rutherford refused to acknowledge that gay men even do that.

    Either that, or it was the oppresive, anti gay culture of….. Uh…… New York…. that drove these poor men underground.

  497. “Tigre, as I remember, Rutherford refused to acknowledge that gay men even do that.”

    If they don’t identify as men while they’re in there, you’re a bigot and Rutherford wins. See how that works?

  498. Is it safe to say that the left is pretty much allowed to be violent in terms of msm outrage? Talk about privilege: Mass violence.

    What… One guy punched a protester at a Trump rally and that was rehashed in the media over and over and over again. One guy????????

    Meanwhile the left attacks with fire and projectiles. Destroy police cars. Mame people while waving foriegn flags. And they do it every time. Thousands of them.

    Rutherford… Never forget how armed we are. When we are finally forced to check your leftist privilege…. There will be brains splattered everywhere.

    Your not a violent guy. You should warn your violent cohorts that they ultimately don’t want to go the violent route.

    Do your cohorts ultimately want war?