Movie Review: The Walk

Some stories are obvious.  That does not mean that they are predictable.  In fact, far from it.  A story can have twists and turns and take its audience on an unsuspecting and surprising ride.  But the audience still knows what the story is about.  The twists and turns simply fill the void between the beginning at Point A and the inevitable conclusion of Point B.

The Walk is different.

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In The Walk (2015), director Robert Zemeckis (Back to the Future, Forrest Gump, Contact) uses all of the incredible imagery we have long come to expect from his many films to tell the true story of Philippe Petit’s 1974 high wire walk between the 110-story towers of the World Trade Center.

The story begins with Petit, played by Joseph Gordon-Levitt (3rd Rock from the Sun, Inception), speaking with an unconvincing French accent to the audience from atop the Statue of Liberty.  As the narration continues, we are transported to Paris to see a younger Petit making his way as a street performer.  The young Philippe sneaks into a circus and sees his first high-wire act, performed by “Papa Rudy” (Ben Kingsley: Ghandi, Schindler’s List), and shorty after begins his training.  Philippe keeps a short red piece of string with him that he uses to imagine a wire filling the void between two points that he sees at any given time.  The only requirement he has for Point A and Point B is that they both be “beautiful”.

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Petit eventually meets a fellow street performer named Annie, wonderfully played by the stunning Charlotte Le Bon, and the two become inseparable.  All the while, he continues to get lessons and advice from “Papa Rudy” on the art of wire walking and showmanship.  He eventually gets enough training and confidence to walk the void between the towers of Notre Dame.  But this is not enough for Philippe.  In a magazine he sees a picture of the Twin Towers under construction, and he spans his red string to connect the two beautiful points.  The towers call to him, and he must answer.  Knowing his feat will be both incredible and illegal, he begins to enlist “accomplices” to aid him in his “coup”.

As one might imagine if given a moment to think about it, it’s no small task to get a wire across the 140 foot span between the Twin Towers, and much of the story is devoted to the careful planning that is required to get the wire and stabilizers to the top of the towers and then across the void.  At this point, the audience begins to understand that this story is more about getting ready to take the walk than it is about the walk, itself.

Once the wire is in place, Petit begins his walk.  True to the historic facts, he makes several passes back and forth, most of which are prompted by the urge to taunt police waiting on both ends of the wire. Eventually his walk ends, and he, along with one of his multiple accomplices is arrested.  His debt to society is paid by a court-ordered wire walk in Central Park for an audience of children.  A debt he happily pays.  When asked by reporters “Why did you do this?”, he simply replies “There is no why.  When I see a beautiful place to put my wire I cannot resist.”

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The story ends with Philippe still narrating from atop the Statue of Liberty.  By now, the audience is told that he has brought life to the new towers previously compared to “two giant filing cabinets” by New Yorkers, who, from that point on, took pride in being witness to his daring feat.  He tells us that the architect of the towers gave him a pass to go beyond the observation deck atop the towers, with an expiration date that read “forever”.  Then, as the camera pans out and we see the Twin Towers in the background before the screen slowly fades to black, we realize that the story is just as much about the towers as it is about the walk–and we inevitably remember a much different story, and perhaps shed a tear for its conclusion.

The Walk was released on DVD in January, 2016 and should be easy to find for anyone who looks for it.

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225 thoughts on “Movie Review: The Walk

  1. If I have chance to view it, it would be for the visuals and symbolism. The promo poster image itself is quite symbolic.

    You are right about the accent not being convincing. The film’s visuals are its strong points, per the critics. It was also dedicated to the victims of the 911 attacks. Never forget! And we won’t! I suggest we are all victims of those attacks. They have had lasting impact while severing us history into pre 911 and post 911 policy. 911 caused an already too big government and over reaching military to become bigger and moreso over reaching. I believe that was the plan. It certainly hasn’t helped Arabs or Muslims AT ALL. Jews are the only ones that have said it was good and has helped promote their cause.

    The twin tower’s destruction was likely planned BEFORE they were built, as Geoff Byrd explains in this conspiracy theory.

    We know there exist numerous predictions on display for that event contained in both film and the print media.

  2. George Mallory was in the US raising money for an expedition to climb Mt. Everest. A reporter asked why he wanted to do such a thing, and the question so obviously irritated him that he snapped. ‘ Because it’s there.”

    He later said that because Mt Everest was the highest mountain in the world, it was a challenge to people designed to conquer the universe.

    Phippe Petit and his relationship with the towers and other challenges was like Capt. Ahab’s feelings toward Moby Dick. He carried an addiction for adventure and conquering high places similar to but more extreme than a drive to settle new countries into something which because of the later attack turned the towers into more than they were.

    Petit did not bring life to two filing cabinets. His presence changed the perception by attaching the buildings to his feat. The buildings were the same before and after Petit’s adventure.

    I think the central story was about Petit and his obsession to conquer his Mt. Everest.

  3. First, thanks Huck for a great review. Haven’t seen the movie but it appears Petit is more than a thrill seeker. It’s spiritual for him.

    Second was Tigre’s video response an answer to the review, Poolman or random insanity?

  4. Random insanity. Kid cracked me up. Reminded me of when I was coaching my boy’s flag football team. I had a kid that moon walk the line of scrimmage while I was trying to get them to run plays.

    Kids rule.

  5. And I skip over Poolman when I see he’s doing his psycho YouTube conspiracy bullshit. So, if the video was in any way related to what he put out there, it was purely coincidence.

  6. Ha ha. That kid both cracks me up and stresses me as I took a head coaching position this year with the little ones. Little League baseball is the hardest.

    It’s coach pitch. I beam the kids accidentally every time I throw. Hopefully somebody will step up.

    This Spring is nuts for us. Folk style wrestling. Roman Greco Wrestling. Freestyle wrestling. Flag Football. Baseball.

  7. The Oliver clip was funny, Rutherford. You guys are right, though. Teevee is so much realer than anything else one can find on the internet. It’s no wonder we let it lead us.

  8. That was sarcasm on the teevee statement, btw. Mrs poolman says I have to start telling people that, as some who do not know me may not pick up on it.

  9. I think the almost spiritual obsession is in all of us, just less extreme.

    I don’t know if I should congratulate or offer sympathy rabbit. Coaching is stressful. I’m sure you are good at it.

  10. No incidents other then blacks slaughtering blacks.

    The city probably is due to commit amother round of suicide again and blame white people for… Uh… Spending money in Detroit? I don’t even like going down to Tiger games anymore.

    That being said… I’m about in touch with Detroit as Rutherford is Chicago , these days.

    I no longer live in Wayne County and will never live there again. Ever.

    I was surprised Bing was so incendiary.

  11. Jews? Or is just the Mossad that’s responsible? I get so confused in all the paranoia and insect drones crawling across the lawn.

  12. Bloody tide: Terror deaths increased 8-fold since 2010, says study. “The deadly toll of terrorism around the globe has jumped nearly 800 percent in the past five years, according to an exhaustive new report that blames the alarming expansion of Islamist groups across the Middle East and Africa. The nonprofit Investigative Project on Terrorism found that an average of nearly 30,000 people per year have been killed by terrorists since 2010, when terrorism’s death toll was 3,284. The authors of the study, which tabulated the numbers through the end of 2015, say that the exponential increase shows two troubling trends: More attacks are happening, and they tend to be deadlier than ever.”

    Yes We Can!!!

  13. It’s that way with EVERYTHING we declare war on.

    It’s all a lie. It is just to grow and maintain government and their much needed criminal associates.

    But go ahead and vote to keep it all looking legitimate. At least then we can bitch about it.

  14. According to Sputnik News, Lativia is building a wall on the Russian border to keep out illegals. The wall is mostly over six feet high with watch towers. Central and eastern Europeans are beginning to fight the rot. Meanwhile, here…

  15. Just think El Tigre, we haven’t even scratched the surface in terms of the damage left in the wake of leftist fascism on college campuses. Many of them are still at college.

    The scariest part of the video was that the black girl cry-bully grabbed Whitey Selassie and then turned around and blamed him of assualt.

    Of all the environments… This is where Rutherford would like to spend the remainder of his days. A hostile oppressive circle jerk.

    We warned Rutherford that the upshot to “only whites can be racist” was the environment we have now. But, he didn’t have the intellectual courage to question what he had been taught. Probably still doesn’t.

  16. A few weeks ago I told you folks I had a friend who could hack the locked terrorist iPhone. One of you, I think it was Alfie, said no way.

    The government hacked the iPhone. While there is practically no chance my friend was involved, someone just like him was. Now Apple wants to know how the gov got in. Good luck with that.

    Understand. There is no unhackable security. It’s a matter of whether the gov will pay the lowest bidder to do the job. Now maybe they’ll cough up the money to pay someone to decrypt these terrorist messages.

    Where there’s a will paid bill, there’s a way.

  17. It’s not “oppression” when they do it, DR. I, for one, welcome our brutal and oppressive SJW overlords.

    I’ve always been a big fan of damseling, especially by proxy. Guys like Rutherford that know their place when unable to lay claim to the throne of victimhood (e.g. invoking allegations of “rape culture” or “affronts to feminism” or some other dickless cowering), it reminds me how truly fucked we are.

    Colleges must be miserable hell holes these days — but all that liberal smarts will rub off on you if you hang around them. 🙄

  18. Not all colleges are hell holes now. Legal advocacy groups sometimes sue leftist malefactors. We need more of them to hassle school administrators and teachers who move too far left. Someone could sue people who create safe spots for liberals but not for conservatives, etc. for example.

    Denying freedom of speech might be grounds for a law suit. People donating money could pressure states and school boards.

    Maybe none of it would work, but it would at least create a nuisance.

    I was alone, but I bothered people advocating Take Our Daughters to Work day. I called NOW and even the networks with documentation. I don’t think I had much effect but eventually others called and writers published evidence that boys were suffering more than girls.

    We need to make group noise.

  19. Would you look at this puss with nasty looking straggle head. Gawd, no wonder ISIS is on the march. One view of that video, and their mouth will be watering.

    Take that damn backpack, let nappy head climb about six stairs while trailing two steps behind, and lay the pack right to the face with a massive discus throw. While she is laying there blubbering, do a standing broad jump from six feet up to the head upon landing. 😈

    Egyptian… what a shit head.

  20. Well, his point wasn’t entirely off base. Dreds date back to ancient Egypt. The Celts, Germanic tribes, Greeks and the Vikings wore dreadlocks too. Rastafarians didn’t start wearing them until the early 1900s and they became popular in the caribbean black community in the US. So that dumb, hateful, twat was wrong in every respect, just like those whiny Oberlin fuck faces complaining about their menu appropriation of near universally “appropriated” cuisine.

    I’m off to Emory with a box of chalk. Wish me luck. . .

  21. Oh boy. MSNBC time. Fields is full of shit. She exaggerated the shit out of being tugged away by Lewandowski. Well, they’re both full of shit, but Fields is more full of shit.

  22. Anybody here like math tricks? DO NOT cheat. DO YOUR math, THEN compare the results on the list of movies at the bottom.

    You will be AMAZED at how scary true and accurate this test is:

    Pick a number from 1-9.
    Multiply that number by 3.
    Add 3.
    Multiply by 3 again.
    Your total will be a two digit number. Add the first and second digits together to find your favorite movie (of all time) in the list of 17 movies below:

    Movie List:

    Gone With the Wind
    E.T.
    Blazing Saddles
    Star Wars
    Forrest Gump
    The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
    Jaws
    Grease
    The Obama Farewell Speech
    Casablanca
    Jurassic Park
    Shrek
    Pirates of the Caribbean
    Titanic
    Raiders of the Lost Ark
    Home Alone
    Mrs. Doubtfire

  23. Yes Rutherford it was me and I stand by it. I for one don’t believe the government got “in” and their position that they foresee going after Apple in the future is proof of it.
    No disrespect to your buddy but I have far more faith in Apple and the overwhelming majority of tech dweebs who maintain Apples burn technology is credible.

  24. Nice trick. I will remember that one.

    An article from the Daily Beast is “How Title 1x Killed Free Speech on Campus”

  25. I like the iPhone commercial. The whole government iPhone affair was a farce. The profile was supposedly scraped in house before the snews ran with it.

    Anyway, it’s getting difficult to keep up the nonstop lie. If not for the almighty teevee.

    U.K. Labour Party Member in Hot Water After Saying Israel’s Mossad Is Behind ISIS
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.711550

  26. So Tigre answered my question before I asked it … do the patrons think the Fields complaint is a “trumped up” charge, so to speak?

    Hey Tigre, is a Twitter photo of a bruise admissible in court?

  27. I watched Cruz in a CNN town hall tonight and he gave a direct answer to maybe one question. Every other answer was a story that danced around the question.

    Seriously Tex, tell me again why you support him over Kasich? Put religion aside. The dude appears rehearsed, insincere and often evasive.

  28. Sorry gang. I then watched Donald’s town hall appearance and he blew Cruz away.

    Trump was the guy who, if he was a patron on this blog, you would be cheering on, particularly as he destroyed me Tex-style. Cruz on the other hand came off as

    JUST ANOTHER FUCKING POLITICIAN

    I haven’t watched Kasich yet but I’m sure he won’t come off as real as Trump.

    Trump may not have a clue but he makes you feel he’s real, warts and all.

  29. “Hey Tigre, is a Twitter photo of a bruise admissible in court?”

    Sure, so long as it’s authenticated (usually by the person that took it, but not necessarily).

    I wouldn’t use the Twitter photo though. In addition to the photographer, I’d consider putting up an expert with the actual photo from whatever device took it to testify that it wasn’t altered and to substantiate when it was taken (which I understand is at issue).

    Come to think of it, I might question whether she is a hemophiliac. How she developed bruise from have her arm tugged is hard to believe unless he has Popeye forearms. Talk about no big deal.

  30. Thanks. I’m glad you liked it.

    Rutherford, you understand why Trump is so popular with his followers. They want certitude more than truth just as when I captivated a store audience in Omaha when they were afraid of a nearby tornado. They didn’t know me or what I knew or didn’t know. They just wanted someone to tell them they were safe.

    Donald used a Time magazine article to slam Scot Walker after he endorsed Cruz. Trump blamed Time for the lie that Walker had made a $2 billion deficit when he really had created a surplus. Trump blamed Time for the error. Time was using the figures Trump had quoted.

    Trump has hired Paul Manafort to manage his convention efforts. He was once an aid to Bob Dole and later advised Ukrainian prime minister Yanukovich who admitted responsibility for violence against pro-Russian protesters.

    Trump claims a secret meeting in La denied him some delegates and he may sue. The supposed theft took place in the state convention which Trump aids attended.

    I also think the assault charge is less than it seems.

  31. Cokie Roberts asked didn’t the FBI have better things to do than iinvestigate Hillary? Dan Rather said journalists should report honestly.

    The UN says the greatest threat to women’s rights is Israel.

    Several years ago Putin and Paul Anka sang a duet. “I did it My Way.” They could have made it a quintet. Most if not all of our leading candidates are so narcicistic they must also believe the songs’ lyrics apply to them.. Obama , Hillary, and Trump certainly do.

    One of the books found on his night stand when George Burns died was “The Magic of Believing” by Claude Bristol. The majority of Icelandic people believe in the magic of elves. They even have a map showing elves’ likely hangouts. It must be true because they believe.

    Are they any dumber than the fools who buy our candidates’ poison and convert it to the “Magic of Believing?” The result is as Monsters and Men sing “We Sink.” I don’t know if they believe in elves.

    I shouldn’t anger you all with another video, but this morning, I don’t give a damn.

  32. Rutherford, you know I find you only politically motivated and not terribly bright. In fact, you’re blind and hateful. You hear what you want to hear and see what you want to see.

    And the bottom line about you is, you’re a bigot and snake. That’s what motivates you. Had Daniel Webster been up there giving answers and provided even a hint of faith, you could find fault – unless it was your political ally Islam. I didn’t even watch, but the one thing I don’t even need to know is Trump “shooting straight.” Baloney – that’s my biggest problem with the fraud. He never gives specifics.

    Kasich is just more of the same weak Republican we’ve had for 25 years now. Go along to get along, grow government, pay lip service to Conservative principles. Had enough of that.

    Frankly, I really don’t care much about politics these days. I just want people like you to start personally suffering from your personal choices. Or, in a pipe dream of mine, I hope the country splits and I can jettison shit like you from my life. I don’t want to be affiliated with race baiters, parasites, deviants, the Gaystapo, military bashers, man hating bitches, and phony Conservatives. Frankly, the quicker you get to crawl to Mecca, the better in my book. When you’re a conquered people, then and only then will I be personally satisfied.

  33. So much for putting religion aside. Tex, I promise you. I can see past Ted’s supposed piety. The rest of him is fake and rehearsed too. I don’t know why you can’t see it. Maybe it’s your affinity with Texas. Even when Ted defended his wife against Trump, it looked rehearsed.

    Trump is the opposite. He says whatever is floating in his addled brain at the time. I’m not saying it makes him POTUS material. It’s just a breath of fresh air from the canned politicians.

    In fact, brace yourself, I think Trump is finally making me understand the appeal of … wait for it… Sarah Palin.

  34. Rutherford, you’re the dumbest person on earth when it comes to judging people. You demonstrated this seven years ago prostrating to a POS promising to heal the planet, and have only added to the stupidity supporting a red diaper baby. Doesn’t get any dumber than that.

    You lied about Mitt Romney again and again. You’re not to be trusted…

  35. I have that same reaction when I turn on the teevee, Rutherford. I think you have to develop a tolerance for it. Kind of like with fast food or scotch. I can no longer stomach that. My system rejects it immediately. I was one of those that had developed a high level of tolerance to abuse, but have been away from all that now for a long time. I respect my body and it responds favorably.

    We aren’t young anymore. The stupid comes and goes. 🙂

    http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/journalism-not-what-its-cracked-up-to-be.html

  36. Rutherford, Cokie Roberts is only one reason why I may have to start drinking before watching the news. It would be much easier on all of us if instead of believing in unworkable economic theories and political correctness, they believed in elves.

    Bjork and her father are campaigning to create a national park on much of the uninhabited interior of Iceland. The authorities plan to put elves’ possible homes on a map.

  37. James, if I was an elf, I wouldn’t want my home on a map. Unless they are getting into the whole wild west show cultural progression thingie. What’s the old opportunity motto, ‘get it while you can’ or ‘get it while the getting is good’? Something like that. It sniffs of capitalism.

    Rich. The news surfacing of Cruz’s many mistresses along with the hacked ashley madison email connection doesn’t look too good on one claiming a more puritanical lifestyle. I guess those aspirations were indeed merely butt sweat.

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/03/28/ted-cruzs-senate-e-address-was-a-subscriber-of-ashley-madison-adultery-dating-service/

    All the more reason not to believe ANYTHING these people say.

  38. Ok, I know Tex is on shaky ground when every question is answered with an attack instead of an answer.

    Since I keep getting snark I will assume Tex, an intelligent man, knows Cruz is a lightweight at best. You don’t need to admit if you find it too humiliating.

    McCain lost. Romney lost. So, my bad judgement has been validated twice and Tex’s good judgement invalidated twice.

    Kasich has foreign policy, budget and executive experience. I don’t see why he’s not a dream candidate.

  39. Cruz is such a lightweight, uber liberal Alan Dershowitz called Cruz his most brilliant student at your massively overrated alma mater, dumb shit. Yes We Can!

    Barack may have won two elections. All that does is demonstrate why the country is so fucked up and it shows. There’s too many dumb shits and parasites like you hanging around for free stuff, motivated by covet and envy.

    You think I’m wrong your messiah Obama has beclowned himself as President? Bill Clinton and Bernie Sanders have as much come out and said the last eight years have been an abject disaster.

    Why don’t you come to defense of Dear Leader then when Bernie admit the same thing I do?

  40. I went back and looked at the GOP roster of 2000 before I knew Tex. Here’s my bet – Tex supported Alan Keyes. I know sure as hell he wasn’t buying compassionate conservatism from George W. Say what you like about W, he wasn’t an oddball like Cruz.

    For some reason Tex has a violent aversion to “acceptable” GOP candidates. See his immediate rejection of Jon Huntsmann in 2012.

    Look at the GOP candidate most likely to win and you can be sure Tex Taylor won’t like him.

  41. Poolman, elves supposedly live under and near rocks. Their locations are shown so people won’t disturb them. At least it is what I read.
    So far, Cruz’s cheating hasn’t been proven. Even if he was as randy as JFK and Clinton he is a better choice than the Democrats. My standards are pretty low this time.

  42. Why should I defend Obama? He’s yesterday. I don’t recall the name but another of Cruz’s professors hated his guts. Dershowitz probably did too. Cruz’s smarts have won him the enmity of 90% of the GOP caucus. In the words of Charlie Sheen: winning!

  43. Why should you defend Obama? Your personal pride, of which you made worship for seven years. Did you get that? Bernie Sanders and Bill Clinton called the magic Negro a failure.\

    Jon Huntsman. LOL. And you want to take me to task for being out of touch? That POS is as popular as Lindsey Graham and your brother and former future President, cough cough, Carlos Danger.

  44. I don’t recall the name but another of Cruz’s professors hated his guts.

    Amazing how many things “you’ve read” but can’t recall.

  45. “So, my bad judgement has been validated twice”

    This is telling.

    An electoral victory is all that is required for validation of one’s judgement. The quality of the resulting administration means nothing.

    What makes it even more humorous is that it was preceded by this gem:

    “I will assume Tex, an intelligent man, knows Cruz is a lightweight at best.”

    Anyone who supports the likes of Bernie Sanders as President of the United States doesn’t have an inch of room to be tossing out words like “lightweight”.

    Rutherford, since judgments are validated by elections, what will a Sanders loss to Hillary say about yours?

  46. Look. All I’m saying is I bet Huntsmann could have beaten Obama in 2012. We’ll never know. I do know that Tex has a habit of dismissing palatable candidates. I think he likes shit-stirrers and is willing to sacrifice elections for it.

    And of course, HRC winning the nomination says more about others judgement than mine. 😀😀😀😀

  47. By the way Huck. Both you and Tex are right that “lightweight” was a poor choice of words. It implies dumb. I don’t doubt Cruz is smart. He’s just a crazy flaky fake.

  48. He’s just a crazy flaky fake.

    Speaking of flake and fake, coming from the man who bowed to the altar of a Charlatan that was going to usher in world peace with his beautiful dialogue.

    Can you name me one country the phony Obama has mended relationships, speaking of pretentious fool?

    You have no credibility, “R.” None.

  49. The most outspoken person here on abortion is probably Dead Rabbit.

    So DR, how you like The Donald’s assertion (which he walked back) that women should be criminally punished for obtaining an abortion? He later said to only punish the doctor because women are “victims” of abortion just like the baby is.

  50. I voted Obama over McCain. Those were our choices. Bobo was made up to look presidential and was the goldman sachs selected. I knew McCain well enough to know he was more traitor than presidential material. At the time I thought president actually meant something and voting counted, but that notion has changed in my mine. President is a role and you don’t speak your own words. The job’s like a pr man for a corporation. The nation’s primary mascot. Sort of top sales position with mucho benefits.

    Change is gonna come. There is a tide of dissent rising above the kosher din.

  51. Speaking of flake and fake

    We have a senator by that name and fits the description. Talk about fate!
    Oh, and God has one serious sense of humor. 😆

  52. James, do you really think if elves were located on maps that would cause them less disturbance? I think it would act as publicity and would cause some to seek them out in order to exploit them. Less defined and stealthy provides a factor of safety in this consumer driven world. Reverse psychology shows us if you want someone to do something, tell them they aren’t allowed to. Blame it on the woman or the serpent or the nature of the beast.

    It’s akin to the government collecting all our data and keeping tabs on us all the while spending our tax money to stir us up in social media and propagandize us at the same time, invading our lives and calling it all measure in ‘keeping us safe’.

    http://www.newparadigm.ws/articles/cia-agents-to-troll-alternative-media-sites-in-huge-propaganda-program/

  53. Poolman, it has occurred to me that if the President is nothing more than PR man, Trump will make one interesting figurehead. 180 from Obama. American exceptionalism on steroids.

  54. That exceptionalism is getting a little hard to swallow with the rest of creation. But if anyone could sink this mongo poly mofo in style, it would be the Don.

  55. In fairness to Trump his position was that women who got an abortion IF ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL should face some type of punishment.
    Trump is a dump but we need to stop having the Left lie about what has or has not been said regardless of who their lies are aimed at.

  56. Poolman, from the prospective of our culture, I agree with you about revealing elves’ homes, but maybe Ice lander people behave differently than we do. Maybe they are like religious relics.

    I do know that you, Rutherford and many others who voted for Obama were believing in your own version of elves. McCain would have been a better president than Obama if only for the advisors he hired.

    Rutherford wrote that Obama is old news and irrelevant to current discussions, but he is relevant if for no other reason than as a demonstration of past misjudgment. People who miscalculated before are held to a higher standard because of their history of being wrong.

    If Trump’s fans were more discerning and less prone to irrational, emotional belief they would not tollerate Trump’s incoherance as he tries to change his past liberal beliefs to match the bias of his supporters. Standards for Trump’s veracity are in the basement.

    I agree with Alfie’s latest comment.

  57. Monsters and Men guitarist and singer Ragnar Bohallsson said belief in elves “is a way for us to protect nature.” Trump’s, Sanders’ and Hillary’s pernicious ideologies do not have the charm of elves though their fans believe with the same fervor described in George Burns’ favorite book.

  58. Re: Icelandic elves.

    Living there for two years, I understand where the elf thing comes from.

    I was on a ground defense force and it was nearly impossible to figure out if you were looking at boulders or an “enemy” squad. The terrain is sometimes like the moon for as far as the eye can see. Add in a wet chill that you have been struggling with for a week in the field….22 hours of darkness…. You see shit, man. We would be pinned down for 20 minutes becuase of a fucking boulder!

    I bet the percentage of Americans who believe in ghosts is the same as the percentage of Icelandics that believe in elves. High in both cases, with some people passionate about it.

    Interestingly, I’ve read that Iceland is nothing like what it was in the early 90s.

    Tourism rules the day. Cruise ships pull in.

    Back then, it was still isolated. Outside of few other Scandinavians from places like the Faroe Islands (hottest women in the world… Slender… Blonde… Tall… But with huge tits) you rarely saw visitors. Hell.. They didnt even allow black servicemen on base until the 80s.

  59. @Rutherford – what should be “done” in the case of an abortion at 26 weeks in a state in which it’s prohibited?

  60. “McCain lost. Romney lost. So, my bad judgement has been validated twice and Tex’s good judgement invalidated twice.”

    “And of course, HRC winning the nomination says more about others judgement than mine.”

    I didn’t think Rutherford smoked weed.

  61. Somebody open a window pleeze. Rutherford, your judgment stinks secondary to your intellectual honesty. Poolman’s discernment is self-evident.

  62. You forgot one, Muffy:

    “So, my bad judgement has been validated twice”

    “Why should I defend Obama? He’s yesterday.”

    What Rutherford considers both “judgment” and validation is fucking priceless.

    Back to the MSNBC couch. I assume there’s a boing on the coffee table.

  63. “bong” nor “boing” — although there probably is a “boing” with the amount of self-pleasure he engages in hour after hour tuned-in to a fucking liberal propaganda teevee network that constitutes his “judgment” and “validation” all in one.

  64. Well I don’t know about you guys but I was just dying to know President So Yesterday’s reflections on the media’s role in campaigns and not holding candidates accountable for “unworkable plans.”

    “A job well done is about more than just handing someone a microphone,” Obama said at a journalism award dinner in Washington Monday night. “It is to probe and to question and to dig deeper and to demand more. The electorate would be better served if that happened. It would be better served if billions of dollars in free media came with serious accountability. Especially when politicians issue unworkable plans or make promises they can’t keep.”

    http://www.npr.org/2016/03/29/472219989/president-obama-chides-media-for-2016-election-coverage

  65. It would be better served if billions of dollars in free media came with serious accountability. Especially when politicians issue unworkable plans or make promises they can’t keep.”

    Obama doesn’t have a veil over his eyes. He’s got a uranium-depleted wall bolted to his skull with two holes drill for nostrils. What an pompous ass this POS is. 😈

    Can you imagine the unmitigated gall and utter stupidity it took for this grossly incompetent thug to make a statement like that?

    They ought to make a skit out of that statement on SNL, complemented with gigantic Styrofoam columns, prostrating, foaming at the mouth worms like Rutherford laid before the altar, and simply read back that useful idiot speech Obama gave where he stated this generation would begin to heal the planet to kick it off.

  66. “Can you imagine the unmitigated gall and utter stupidity it took for this grossly incompetent thug to make a statement like that?”

    The irony that it will be ignored by the media he’s lecturing is Rutherford-grade.

  67. Since Obama supporters are in agreement witht he rest of us that he is now President-in-name-only and yesterday’s news, I guess that will put to final rest the idea that Congress needs to consider his SCOTUS appointments.

  68. That’s a legitimate point, Huck. If Obama is yesterday’s news, so are his politics, his goals, and his ambitions.

  69. Rutherford was validated. Twice.

    As I like to remind Rutherford when he throws up the big wins as validation, so National Socialist German Workers’ Party by his standards. 😛

  70. Socialist Workers?

    Thrice!

    (I’ve often wondered as R tries to explain why whatever label he applies to socialism is good whether he knows what Nazi stands for — oh, but it’s different this time since you just pick and choose what works.)

  71. It would have been much better if that head case would have broken his neck but to look as un-athletic as he does and even dare just up and do a backflip on the cement like that? That was a nice surprise. 😆

  72. Thanks Rabbit. I thought you might share your thoughts since you had lived in Iceland. I agree, those Nordic women are as good looking as some of my cousins. Eivor of the Faroe Islands is talented with a range from opera to throat singing.

    I met my wife at Heathrow airport after her plane from Iceland landed. The women there were certainly attractive as Rabbit wrote.

    Rutherford has been wrong so many times his conclusions must be held to a higher standard of veracity.

    Nazis were socialists.

    Our daughter knows someone who’s son was born at 23 weeks or so. He has problems, but he is still progressing after almost three years. A former abortion testified before Congress a week or so ago. Others should have also lived.

  73. Ouch.

    That ranting dude looks like he hurt himself with that uncompleted flip, though he didn’t show it.

    Probably adrenaline and pride keeping him upright after that rather than any kind of drugs.

    There’s more of my self evident discernment in play. Free for the taking.

    I think America is become Jackass the reality show. I’ve never watched any jackass movies, but recall seeing a few clips and hearing about it. I’m sure some of the local movie buffs have seen them.

  74. Alfie, to try and analyze Trump’s comment on abortion is a waste of time. He was IMPROVISING.

    I imagine the only time Trump ever had a thought about abortion was when he told Ivanka “please get married before you get pregnant”. That was over 30 years ago. The man does real estate deals. He doesn’t do military strategy nor does he give much thought to social issues.

    He was as prepared for that question from Chris Matthews as any of us would have been. We have no business running for President and neither does Donald. Chris Matthews might as well have been interviewing Cliff Clavin on “Cheers”.

  75. Rutherford – what should be “done” in the case of an abortion at 26 weeks in a state in which it’s prohibited?

    Nope, not gonna be baited. You and Rabbit are adamantly pro-life. You tell me.

    I’ll give you THIS much. The pro-life “community” is full of caveats and exceptions. If killing the baby is immoral, then rape and incest are irrelevant and the mother getting the abortion is commissioning a murder, making her a murderer.

  76. Rutherford you no more have an answer than Trump does. Fact is your frequent preening about how your views on abortion have “evolved” would appear to be quite Trumpy.

  77. “If killing the baby is immoral, then rape and incest are irrelevant and the mother getting the abortion is commissioning a murder, making her a murderer.”

    Is this your position Trumperford?

  78. “If killing the baby is immoral, then rape and incest are irrelevant and the mother getting the abortion is commissioning a murder, making her a murderer.”

    It does make her a murderer.

    If somebody molested my kids…There is a good chance I would become a murderer too.

    Lots of motives for murder, some I empathize with alot more then others.

    Murdering somebody becuase they will be party poopers or interfere with a winter semester at community college? Murdering for money?

    Sickening.

    And that right there sums up 9 out 10 of abortions.

    I don’t believe Trump gives a shit about abortion, but I could be wrong.

    Lastly, as I recall, a big part of Roe vs Wade involved vitality. Well, thanks to modern medicine, vitality out of the womb is being more and more possible earlier in the pregnancy. Of course… You don’t hear much about that from the pro baby killers. I’d like to have that conversation.

  79. “Yeah Tigre. The first Jewish candidate for President is a Nazi. God are you a fucking idiot.”

    Ah the dummy doesn’t understand the comment. Big shock. 🙄

  80. I don’t believe Trump gives a shit about abortion, but I could be wrong.

    You’re not wrong. If you asked him on a Wednesday he’d say jail the mother. If you asked him on a Thursday he’d say woman is victim but jail the doctor. Ask him five years ago he’d say don’t jail anybody.

    He’s a real estate developer who has been winging it for a year. And folks are so sick of rehearsed pols that they love him.

  81. Tigre law school so messed up your mind it would take years to unravel it.

    Nazi’s were socialists. Seems Bernie and I think these theories are salad bars we can pick and choose from. But we’re wrong. If Bernie and I think there are some good things to be extracted from socialism, we must really be … wait for it …

    NAZIS 😈😈😈😈

  82. So Sanders’ name isn’t on the Washington DC ballots because of a “Democratic Party error”?

    If I were him I’d be doubling up on bodyguards, because at this point the DNC can’t do much more to him other than bodily harm.

  83. “You got any questions for Rabbit, Muffy? I didn’t think so.”

    Rabbit answers questions you houseplant. He just did. You dont.

    You dont give answers, you just pass judgment on those who do.

  84. In the hair on fire category, secondary to abortion, Trump raised eyebrows on nukes.

    Pardon me. We’ve got them. If we are NEVER going to use them, why don’t we unilaterally disarm? Mutually assured destruction isn’t a “thing” if there isn’t the implicit suggestion we will use them.

    They are part of our arsenal. Of course they are “on the table”.

  85. The layers of hypocrisy boggle the mind. Pro-life conservatives think nothing of deeply offending pro-choice women but suddenly Michael Steele is afraid of losing the woman vote because Trump said put abortion Barbie in jail.

    Trump, perhaps by accident, has repeatedly exposed how full of shit the establishment is.

  86. He’s a real estate developer who has been winging it for a year. And folks are so sick of rehearsed pols that they love him.

    People are equally sick of mealy-mouthed politicians like Obama, like Trump. Trump has no principles, hence your personal admiration.

  87. Muffy, you have zero interest in my answers other than to give you an opportunity to mock.

    It would actually be refreshing to hear that you agree with Rabbit. At least he takes his sincere outrage to its logical conclusion.

  88. “Muffy, you have zero interest in my answers other than to give you an opportunity to mock.”

    Dont blame your cowardice on me. Lets have some answers, Lil’ Tingles.

    “It would actually be refreshing to hear that you agree with Rabbit. At least he takes his sincere outrage to its logical conclusion.”

    😆 Youre so full of shit.

    Lets hear some of your logic, Evolving Evolver.

    Do you support late term abortion? Just for exceptions or on demand?

  89. First of all, I don’t “support” any abortion. It’s a horrible choice to be faced with. I think late term abortions are justified when the life of the mother is at stake. Period.

    Since you refuse to say whether or not you agree with Rabbit, let me put it to you this way:

    A woman pays a man to kill her husband. She goes to jail. A woman pays a man to kill her baby. She goes where?

  90. @Rutherford – You dont “support” late term abortion but you think it should be legal, is that right?

  91. To anyone who voted for Rutherford or plans to vote for the current Democrats, why do you want to murder young babies? Surely you know that State Senator Obama supported bills letting medics with hold medical care to babies who survived late term abortions.

    One such baby testified before Congress last week. Our daughter knows a family with a toddler who was young enough for a late term abortion.

    My wife knows these late term abortions are not fetuses. They are normal babies. Forty years ago in May, she had a miscarrage for which we got a financial settlement. She saw the baby. We named him John.

    Another aborted baby was thrown into a toilet according to a nurse who testified before some committee. The baby tried to swim.

    So I ask you, with the logic Democrats use against Republicans, your votes imply support for killing babies. Why do you support infaticide?

  92. I meant with not for Rutherford.

    Ben Fold’s girlfriend had an abortion. Ben wanted to keep the baby. Their relationship ended over the abortion.

  93. Someone called me a baby killer after my return to the US. How ironic. That person may have helped elect a real baby killer years later. (Using Democratic logic against Republicans like Sarah Palin)

    We used to mark the milestones our baby missed. We imagined the first day of school, driving lessons and prom. He was no different from babies, especially late term who should have lived. They missed milestones too and were largely unmourned and forgotten.

    We did get a financial statement, the last of which came five years ago. We didn’t need the money, and it only revived the pain.

  94. We never told the children, and relatives who suspected and asked have all died.

    Its one reason we poured all we had into our grand daughter. At one point, doctors had told our daughter an abortion might be the right solution to our flawed grand daughter.

  95. Pardon me. We’ve got them. If we are NEVER going to use them, why don’t we unilaterally disarm? Mutually assured destruction isn’t a “thing” if there isn’t the implicit suggestion we will use them.

    You are truly dangerously dumb.

  96. We are home this week while the other grand parents take over. We all saw each other at Easter. Our son-in law’s mother who hadn’t seen our grand daughter in a month marveled.” She doesn’t talk in sentences. She talks in interlocking paragraphs.

    As an example, she told her other grandmother ” We watched lighting, big booms with hail. I was so excited and happy again (she was sad because her uncle, our son was at the air port leaving for home.) Some thunder scary. Lilly dog needed medicine to be calm. We both afraid, but Opa kept me safe.”

    The next day, she asked me “where is grasshopper?” She remembered a grasshopper sunning itself on the sidewalk last September.

    I showed her the setting crescent moon. She said “eclipse,” because she remembered her mother’s showing her the total eclipse of the moon. Then she began to run in circles. She said “Moon goes around earth like planets go around sun.” She is two and a half years old. Each aborted child could have done what our grand daughter did.

    Abortion is murder. Sometimes murder is necessary, even commendable, but we shouldn’t forget the potential and actual human lives who ended prematurely.

  97. “Lets hear some of your logic, Evolving Evolver.”

    Good luck with that. I’ll fill in:

    He don’t do no Socratic method.

    You don’t know what’s in his head.

    Since I think you’re snarky, he’s not going to answer your questions.

    Prove he’s wrong.

    He already answered your question.

    Somebody on Morning Joe said something different.

    You’re just playing word games.

  98. Our good friends just lost their baby at I think 5 and a half months pregnant. Probably not the kind of stuff Tex needs to hear, right now.

  99. Not a day goes by that I don’t pray for “my baby” and my oldest daughter. We’re down to about 60 days now. This is when you wish you had sons.

  100. Thankfully I have 5 very healthy grandkids. The goal is to empower them with knowledge and purpose, enabling them to thrive and help fix their world. The first order is to stop the downpouring of evil from the very top of our culture. You cannot expect any good to flow out of evil sources.

    Studies have shown that our leaders always have certain traits that make them ideal for these positions of power. It takes a certain personality type that tend to seek positions of power.

    …electing a psychopath to public office is tantamount to national hara-kiri, the ritualized act of self-annihilation, self-destruction and suicide. It signals the demise of democratic government and lays the groundwork for a totalitarian regime that is legalistic, militaristic, inflexible, intolerant and inhuman.

    But we keep on doing the same thing hoping somehow for a positive outcome. Consider how citizens have been lumped into various categories and given to labels. That initial dehumanizing step leads us down some ugly albeit familiar historical paths.

    When our own government no longer sees us as human beings with dignity and worth but as things to be manipulated, maneuvered, mined for data, manhandled by police, conned into believing it has our best interests at heart, mistreated, jailed if we dare step out of line, and then punished unjustly without remorse—all the while refusing to own up to its failings—we are no longer operating under a constitutional republic.

    http://juanmatus.com/democracy-pathocracy-rise-political-psychopath/

  101. Just when some former Obama dolt thinks we ought to send a message to disarm our “nukes” because it sends an implicitly bad message, I read this…

    Russia Doubling Nuclear Warheads – New multiple-warhead missiles to break arms treaty limit

    I think I have figured out why Rutherford admires BO so. They both have the impeccable gift of being 180 degrees wrong at exactly the worst time.

  102. “Its not that Rutherford is so dangerously dumb. 200 million Rutherfords are.”

    Rutherford shouldn’t be left alone sharp objects.

    Still hasn’t figured out the Nazi comment. . . 😆

  103. “The goal is to empower them with knowledge and purpose, enabling them to thrive and help fix their world.”

    With a great patriarch as the poolman, how could that ever go wrong? Kick them that knowledge you have, brah.

  104. Murder is a legal term. Abortion is not illegal. The question is not “is it murder” the question is what is the penalty for breaking the law?

    Liberal and conservative head cases are beside themselves. “If you make abortion a crime, you make women and doctors criminals” they rage.

    Where and how is this unique to abortion? Where not buckling up in the privacy of your own vehicle is illegal, where prostitution is a crime, where weed is still against the law, where the legal limit for driving drunk is 0.8 for Frat Boy and 0.4 for a commercial driver, where littering is illegal, where jaywalking is illegal – there is a penalty for doing it. Only in liberal fantasy land do we make laws and then order “folks” not to obey them. Why have laws at all to begin with?

    Any self-congratulating liberal-logical twatwaffle for whom there is no special place in hell that supports late term abortion – and wanting it to be legal clearly is support – ought to be able to articulate the penalty for breaking the law.

  105. Just when some former Obama dolt thinks we ought to send a message to disarm our “nukes” because it sends an implicitly bad message

    If that’s what you thought I said then you’re the dumb one and that goes for everyone else here.

    Nukes are in our arsenal. Therefore they are “on the table”. Trump spoke truth. Anyone inflamed by it is engaged in some very weird logic.

  106. Muffy you almost had me with your long speech and then you lost me. Perhaps you thought the lengthy rhetoric would help you dodge the question of whether women who request abortions are criminal in a society where abortions are illegal. How bout you answer the fucking question? Is the woman who asks for and received an abortion a murderer in a society where abortion is illegal?

    What is the #1 objection to gun laws? Criminals will break them anyway. But suddenly you’re arguing for more legislation around abortions? Abortions will go on anyway. Why more laws oh conservative Muffy?

  107. “Muffy you almost had me with your long speech and then you lost me.”

    It wasn’t that long and where did I lose you?

    “The second amendment.”

    Bingo.

    He’s trying hard to wiggle around his support for late term abortion.

    What’s the matter Rutherford, don’t you love the wimminz?

  108. “Abortions will go on anyway.”

    Most won’t. Some will.

    And please see Tigre’s “the 2nd amendment” and write it out 500 times.

  109. @ Rutherford a “democratic socialist” ala a feel the Bern type is actually pretty close to a NSDAP aka Nazi since secondary to all available precedents democratic socialism has always arisen hand in hand with fascism. It also can’t be stressed enough that the “ills” of Germany’s Nazis were not the initial selling points and buy ins. The end result however was pretty much a given.

  110. I find it pretty crazy how abortion has been afforded the shot to further destroy the chances of a GOP victory and more importantly set up down ticket implosions.

  111. Trumps platform as it were on nuclear weapons is pretty scattered and vacant. Clearly designed to get specific pockets of people to go “Oh yeah”!
    On one hand he tries to claim that the USA is fucked up for spending money on a nuclear arsenal given the fact so many entities are willing to ignore our will and engage in combat. This is insane since that is an apples to orange kind of thing at best. Our nukes were never meant to make the Vietnamese,Iraqi’s or assorted nut jobs fearful of engaging us. Truth be told Russia’s nukes were never meant to cow the likes of Afghanis,Georgians,Chechnyans or assorted nut jobs within their sphere. To be clear though the Russian nuclear arsenal is absolutely meant for other nations than the US & its Western allies. For example I’d stip that Moscow’s boomers are also meant to give Tehran cause for pause.
    Trumps complaint that some systems are “30 years old” is also kind of fucked up in degrees I’m not going to get into.
    The US nuclear arsenal is a complex myriad of systems that with any given component remains devastatingly deadly.

    On a different note Russia’s rearmament is a lot of bluster. it is true they are trying to field assets that exceed current treaty limits but the reality is this. The new units are replacing older units in true replacement mode as opposed to augmentation mode. One component of their arsenal is way behind schedule and is still dogged by questions of capability. This btw is their new sub launched systems. I’d warn in closing regards Russia. For three years anyway Putin has been threatening the West with nukes. He has revised the definition of when & why the Russians would launch,he’s paraded “new” missiles and he is constantly “announcing” more missiles when in fact Moscow is really only trying to put on line the same 40 or so new replacements to one of their aged ICBMs.
    Sorry for the on and on but I find the topic interesting.

  112. I find the topic interesting too, Alfie. As I read it I thought “no wonder Trump and Putin like each other.”

    Rutherford, I will answer your fking question though your comparison is tangerines to oranges. Sometimes, abortion is a form of self defense when the efficacy of two lives are compared. Shooting a bad guy is also murder for self defense.

    However, if an unborn baby has developed to the point it can feel pain and probably emotions, the standard for abortion had better be very high. Maybe the mother would die without the abortion, for instance.

    If it is the law, and a woman has an abortion under those circumstances, the mother and the medics should be charged with something leading to jail.

  113. The US and several other countries are discussing ending nuclear poliferation. Obama, the Cuban named Negro said the chance of ISIS obtaining the bomb is something we must prevent. He also defended his Iranian agreement which enhances the chances for more bombs.

    Obama is one of the main contributers to the threat, and our possible new president is an accessory. As the Monsters and Men song I posted says “Sinking.”

  114. Trumps complaint that some systems are “30 years old” is also kind of fucked up in degrees I’m not going to get into.

    What it really demonstrates is how light Donald Trump is in knowledge and know how. Today’s nuclear bombs don’t need to be executed via an intercontinental ballistic missile. They’ll ring your doorbell for you with the help of a satellite. 😈

  115. “What is the #1 objection to gun laws? Criminals will break them anyway.”

    This is the same justification used to defend abortion laws and even to defend Planned Parenthood–the back-alley abortions.

  116. I ended up signing my kid up for tackle football this fall. I feel like tackle is pointless at this age and the parents nuts about it in an uncool way. My kid was begging me. I couldn’t refuse him.

  117. By the time that boy gets to high school he will either be completely burned out on sports or he’ll be a friggen beast

  118. And his wrestling skills are absolutely transferable to football. What is a tackle if not a take-down? 🙂

  119. “By the time that boy gets to high school he will either be completely burned out on sports or he’ll be a friggen beast”

    I know. I’m always wondering if I’m over doing it.

    I say this objectively, he’s agreesive as hell in sports. Outside of sports hes not at all.

    Were off to the state championship in wrestling tomorrow.

    Wrestling is a cult.

  120. The pick up driver said he was going at 35 MPH when he hit me in a snowstorm with low visibility after I pushed a car spinning its wheels on a steep hill to get it started again. The pickup driver left 8 feet of rubber when he braked after finally seeing me in the thick, wet snow.

    I was jumping to escape and was a foot off the ground when the right head light hit me. I rolled about 200 feet. I didn’t feel too good the next day when I reported the accident. The Sherrif’s deputy replied “you probably feel like the first day of foot ball practice.” I was grateful I had never played football. We used my experience to discourage our son from playing foot ball in high school.

  121. Rabbit, your little man probably knows how much you idolize football. His drive is probably more about acceptance than anything else. I am sure he strives to please daddy.

    I would hope for his sake that he would get through his football phase quickly as to not have any permanent or progressive brain damage from playing the sport. Full contact sports can be harmful to youth and becomes increasingly detrimental with long term participation. (CTE) is evident in 96 percent of former NFL players. 87 of 91 deceased players have had it based on brain autopsy.

    The most common types of injuries are strains, sprains, bruises, fractures, dislocations, and concussions.[1] According to the NFL Physicians Society, the most common injuries in football are “concussions, blunt injuries to the chest such as cardiac contusions, pulmonary contusions, broken ribs, abdominal injuries, splenic lacerations and kidney injuries.”[2] Orthopedic injuries to the knee, foot, ankle, shoulder, neck and back are also common, as are muscle strains to the hamstrings, quads, calves and the abdomen.[2]

    Concussions are particularly concerning,[3] as repeated concussions may increase a person’s risk in later life for chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) and mental health issues such as dementia, Parkinson’s disease, and depression.[4] Concussions are often caused by helmet-to-helmet collisions, impact against the ground or other players’ knees,[5] and upper-body contact between opposing players. However, helmets have prevented more serious injuries such as skull fractures.[6] Cervical spine injuries can be catastrophic, but have sharply declined since the mid-1970s due to rule changes and improved workout regimes, equipment, and coaching.[1]

    Though most studies are based on data from professional players, there are studies and estimates of the percentage of participants affected outside of any professional group.

    Concussions are also an issue outside of professional football. In a 2010 study by Purdue University and Indiana University, an estimated 43,000 to 67,000 football players suffer a concussion every season. However, because many injuries go unreported, the true number may exceed 100,000. The study, “Functionally-Detected Cognitive Impairment in High School Football Players Without Clinically Diagnosed Concussion”, was published in 2013 in the Journal of Neurotrauma and observed 21 high school players throughout a season; it determined that even players who would not be diagnosed with a concussion based on their symptoms can display notable impairments via MRIs and verbal or cognitive testing, indicating that the current tests used on the sideline to assess concussions may not be adequate.[28][29] A 2013 study by the National Academy of Sciences found that concussion rates in college football exceed those in any other sport, and that high school players have twice the risk of sustaining a concussion as collegiate players. The study found that, as reported by athletic trainers, college football players sustain 6.3 concussions for every 10,000 athletic exposures (meaning an individual practice or game), and the rate for high school football players is 11.2. The high school concussion figure is nearly double that of the next-highest sport, lacrosse. The study, funded by the a $75,000 donation from the NFL to the Centers for Disease Control Foundation, also found that there is no evidence that newer helmet technology decreases the risk for concussions.[17]

    I worked with a pool salesman for a few years that was a lineman in college and had gone on to play pro for a few years until his knees gave out. It became very obvious he had cognitive issues and they were worsening with age. His wife said he had been gradually ‘losing it’ since they got married.

    Just because it’s an American tradition doesn’t mean it’s good at all. I’m finding most of these ‘traditions’ are not good or healthy. I can’t remember the last time I actually ate a hot dog. I don’t think there is anything good in them. Now, apple pie on the other hand…

  122. I have had two concussions that I know of. The one after a drunk driver caused an auto accident knocked me out, and my brain swelled for a bit.

    So far, after 30 years, I see no impairment, or would I know the difference?

    I’m not telling any people but my kids what to do.

  123. People have free will. Kids are trying to fit in and find boundaries. I’ve been known to verbally discipline other people’s children in public when they were out of line. Embarrass them by publicly vocalizing their inappropriate behavior. Amazing what the right words spoken with authority can achieve.

    Really you can’t change people unless they want to be changed. Kids are different in that their minds can be molded. The early years are very important in determining how much they will grow in all respects.

  124. The end result however was pretty much a given.

    Alfie, please don’t tell me universal health care and free public college lead to concentration camps. The Nazi references re Sanders are utterly absurd.

  125. James, this is why I basically like you. You speak plain and don’t fuck around. You said what I’ve been trying to get Muffy to say for a good 3 days now. You’ve got the balls to say it (as does Rabbit). Muffy doesn’t.

    Muffy … loud and clear. Late term abortions should be against the law except when the life of the mother is at risk. Can I say it any plainer than that?

    And that’s where Trump comes in. Who gets punished for breaking the law and how? That’s where I feel sympathy for the narcissist-candidate. Few people want to sign up for the intellectually pure answer to that question. Rabbit and James are comfy with it. I’m not sure I am. And who the hell knows what you think since you refuse to answer the question.

  126. Huck. That’s his shallow excellent point.

    I corrected it for you. Any point I make comes off shallow to you cos your understanding is only 2 inches deep.

    But yes you actually grasped the point. Ok to make more laws restricting abortion (which won’t be followed) but not ok to make more laws around gun usage because the won’t be followed. REAL consistency there.

    Everyone wants a law for their concerns and wants no laws when it inconveniences them.

    And … “the 2nd amendment” is becoming as convincing an argument as “and racism”. It’s shorthand for “I don’t want to use my brain and discuss the subject”.

  127. I watched a Libertarian party debate last night and then looked at the #LibertarianDebate Twitter feed. These libertarians make Sanders supporters look like jaded cynics. The feed was almost 100% positive in tone. No hecklers. Everyone just badly wanting to be heard.

    As I watched the debate it just confirmed how rigged our democracy is. Those 3 guys (Austin Petersen, John McAfee and Gary Johnson) stand less than zero chance of becoming prez. They might as well be Jim Gilmore.

  128. @Rutherford – you are in serious need of megadosages of ginkgo biloba. Among other things.

    I am not now nor have I ever been afraid of answering the question or any such question like it. You lack the courage of your conviction and you’re projecting that onto me. You’re lashing out in anger and frustration because you don’t know what to think and you don’t know who you are.

    “Rutherford in answer to your brass tacks question, no one goes to jail directly for performing or getting an abortion. The doctor loses their license to practice if they operate outside the law. If they continue breaking the law of practicing medicine without a license, then they suffer the consequences same as anyone else who practices medicine without a license.” -muffy , February 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    That includes prison in case you didn’t know.

    Kermit Gosnell sits in one because after nearly 20 years of state officials refusing to do inspections of his lab for fear of what they would find and how it would reflect on the reality of some abortions – a woman died while in his “care.” Along with upwards of an estimated 60,000 lives in the process of becoming. Some, the charges indicate, had already become.

    Was it murder? Is that your idea of a hard question? You bet your sorry ass it was. Go read the grand jury testimony you ostrich and you’ll find out why. Not for killing the mother – he got involuntary manslaughter for that. He was convicted of murdering babies. And was even one of the women who went to his clinic for an abortion charged with a crime? No. The doctor and various employees of his were charged with a variety of crimes and rightly so.

    Stop making up stories about what I am arguing. In response to your taunting us over Tingles v. Trump, I asked you a very simple question –

    “What should be done about late term abortions in which the life of the mother was not at stake?” -muffy , April 1, 2016 at 2:06 am

    You stomp around here like a teenager that doesn’t want to clean his room because you don’t want to answer a question that you find too tough. Well I don’t find it all that tough. But then “too tough” is relative to personal strength, isn’t it.

  129. First, Muffy, my bad on missing your February commrnt. I had basically put you on “ignore” at that point so I hadn’t read it.

    It doesn’t answer the question. It quotes current law and practice. It doesn’t say a thing about how you feel. Why? Because you have as much trouble as I do saying that women who abort should go to jail. Why can’t you just admit that it makes you uncomfortable? Afraid it’ll hurt your pro-life cred?

  130. “The Nazi references re Sanders are utterly absurd.”

    Still doesn’t get it. Reading. Is. Fundamental. Right?

  131. “But yes you actually grasped the point. Ok to make more laws restricting abortion (which won’t be followed) but not ok to make more laws around gun usage because the won’t be followed. REAL consistency there.”

    Heavy. Thanks for exposing the depth of your thoughts. 🙄

    Duh.

    Muffy’s got you so pegged.

  132. “And … “the 2nd amendment” is becoming as convincing an argument as “and racism”. It’s shorthand for “I don’t want to use my brain and discuss the subject”.”

    Do tell, ‘Lil Man. Hang it out there. You got a blog. I’ve read your MSNBC regurges in the past. But since you’ve got an angle on the right to own/posses firearms and the second amendment, show us all that brain power. Tell us why you know better about guns and the constitution.

  133. “First, Muffy, my bad on missing your February commrnt. I had basically put you on “ignore” at that point so I hadn’t read it.”

    Sure thing, Hillary.

    “Most of what Muffy says in her lengthy comment makes sense to me. I still question why, in a world without Roe, we would only punish doctors. Isn’t the true hardcore approach to punish the mother who contracted the murder of her baby? Surely the mother would be prosecuted for ordering a doctor to kill her healthy 3 month old. So what’s the difference pre-birth?

    Just sayin’.”

    Rutherford , February 17, 2013 at 2:31 am

    “It doesn’t answer the question. It quotes current law and practice. It doesn’t say a thing about how you feel. Why? Because you have as much trouble as I do saying that women who abort should go to jail. Why can’t you just admit that it makes you uncomfortable? Afraid it’ll hurt your pro-life cred?”

    You’re projecting again. You are uncomfortable in the mushy middle. I am neither uncomfortable nor in the mushy middle.

    Nor was I was quoting anything. I was answering this, your question then. The same question as now. Not the first time you asked it, and not the first time I answered it, never wavering. How’s that for uncomfortable?

    “So lets get down to brass tacks Rabbit. On abortion, who goes to jail? The doctor? The attending nurses? The mother of course because she ordered the hit.

    C’mon Rabbit, tell me what consequences you’re willing to stomach.”

    Rutherford , February 14, 2013 at 12:36 am

  134. Let’s review.

    “So lets get down to brass tacks Rabbit. On abortion, who goes to jail? The doctor? The attending nurses? The mother of course because she ordered the hit.
    C’mon Rabbit, tell me what consequences you’re willing to stomach.
    -Rutherford , February 14, 2013 at 12:36 am

    “Rutherford in answer to your brass tacks question, no one goes to jail directly for performing or getting an abortion. The doctor loses their license to practice if they operate outside the law. If they continue breaking the law of practicing medicine without a license, then they suffer the consequences same as anyone else who practices medicine without a license.” -muffy , February 14, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “Most of what Muffy says in her lengthy comment makes sense to me. I still question why, in a world without Roe, we would only punish doctors. Isn’t the true hardcore approach to punish the mother who contracted the murder of her baby? Surely the mother would be prosecuted for ordering a doctor to kill her healthy 3 month old. So what’s the difference pre-birth?
    Just sayin’.”
    -Rutherford , February 17, 2013 at 2:31 am

  135. Hate to pile on Rutherford but you really didn’t read me right or connect the historical dots.

    Alfie, please don’t tell me universal health care and free public college lead to concentration camps. The Nazi references re Sanders are utterly absurd.

    I didn’t try to tell you that. I tried and apparently failed to make you understand that democratic socialism always has and always will lead to fascism.
    Whether it is todays Britain or Sweden,FDR’s America,Mussolini & Hitler or any number of people heavily represented in the USA today the fact is when you link programs to a form of nationalism (ideology) target a common “enemy” and empower the government to control capital,production and labor the logical conclusion is FASCISM!!!!!

    Bernie Sanders wants to harness a nationalism rooted in income inequality etc and fan that flame with dicey dreams of college and healthcare. In doing so he targets big business as a common ill and then uses government policy to control private businesses to accomplish things “for the good of the nation”.
    Psst. That’s fascism.

    Rutherford put on your “feel the Bern” tee shirt,your Elizabeth Warren yoga pants,hop in the kilowatt beemer and hit the library. Go to the FDR section and bone up on the truth that your idols are unoriginal and unimaginative.

  136. Only Rutherford could accuse someone of dodging the question by quoting a current law that isn’t even the current law, much less a quote.

  137. Socialism = authoritarianism. It is the very essence of the bargain. And once the government has assumed control of both the means and recipient class, any failings in delivering up the promised bennies has, by necessity, but one solution (other than abandonment): oppression.

  138. Only Rutherford could accuse someone of dodging the question by quoting a current law that isn’t even the current law, much less a quote.

    You’re the one who quoted current law instead of telling me what you favor. I still can’t get you to say “jail the mother”. I’m not interested in current law. I want your answer to the Trump question.

    My Feb comment to Rabbit was in the same vein. I wanted to know what Rabbit’s preferred legal outcome was. It had nothing to do with current law.

    You are so adverse to admitting the squeamishness you accuse me of that you STILL haven’t answered the question.

    P.S. I am surprised I engaged with you in Feb. I guess I took you off “ignore” by then. Don’t know why. You frustrate the living hell out of me.

  139. I need to do some homework on fascism because to my mind any law that restricts behavior or demands behavior can be labeled fascist. Is it fascism to require you to wear a safety belt in the car?

    Alfie I’m not understanding the nationalistic slant on free public college and universal health care. Keeping Mexicans out of the country is nationalistic.

  140. Rutherford, you need to read up and think about what you advocate. I really don’t think you know “why” you believe what you do. It’s always dogma. That you didn’t understand the absurdity of Obam’s “choose what works” when it comes to two completely and philisophically incompaitable doctrines is how I know you don’t really understand what you advocate.

  141. Fascism is a system which favors a dictator and control, not ownership of private business. The value of the state, a race, or class is elevated above the individual.

    Therefore, a law by itself is not fascist. Requiring seat belts is a matter of public safety.

  142. “I need to do some homework on fascism because to my mind any law that restricts behavior or demands behavior can be labeled fascist. Is it fascism to require you to wear a safety belt in the car?”

    Holy fuck.

  143. I wonder why. It’s not like they pose an existential threat.

  144. The value of the state, a race, or class is elevated above the individual.

    Some laws exist “for the greater good” of society. Are such laws ipso facto fascist?

    Is taxation fascist?

    I have noticed a trend in the bar over the years where the patrons want to ignore the notion of “society”. It’s an each man for himself approach where caring for the common good is the purview of (primarily religious) charitable organization. Government’s job is to let everyone get as far as they can in as selfish a manner as possible. The minute government tries to encourage a positive behavior, it has overstepped its bounds.

    Is this libertarianism? Maybe you’re all libertarians.

  145. Tigre, our country engages already in socialist practices. So when you suggest I’m naive to think we can borrow from two diametrically opposed philosophies, I counter that we already do.

    Do you want the privatization and corporatization of the post office, all prisons, all fire departments, all police departments, all public schools, etc?

  146. Rutherford just stop it. Seriously. Elevate the conversation. Go fucking read up, and understand what you’re talking about. You OBVIOUSLY don’t know what he terms mean or what is being said. Alfie tried to correct you. James tried to correct you. As usual you went back to your child’s logic. Frankly, It’s damned embarrassing.

  147. @Rutherford I think this will be it for me on the topic.
    You are too emotionally invested in certain notions to accept the Real Politik of human nature and behavior. You’re also far too optimistic about where the lines are between oppression,benevolence,bureaucracy and liberty. I can’t even begin on the differing views on “society”.
    I for one am not a libertarian. That said I do believe We the People should always be open to evolving ways to conduct the public business.

    I believe in consolidation of police departments,oppose their privatization and insist the people NOT the unions run them. Police departments cannot be allowed to be fiefdoms.
    I also believe and have spent real world time fighting for the consolidation and regionalization of fire services. I fervently believe in having highly trained and professional fire/rescue & EMS units. This can be accomplished through Public/Private Partnerships.

    I believe the public schools should at a minimum experience a rebirth where every school and its staff face the consequence of existing under a charter contract. I support public private partnerships in the education field. Unlike others here I actually support the spirit of Common Core since our kids are competing on a global scale and deserve a united baseline of competency.

    I actually like the USPS and disagree with the budget bashing medical “tax” they face. Likewise I am not blinded by nostalgia and respect that its mission may fade and the agency dissolve. I don’t support tax dollars and precious USPS funds going into a system that foolishly tries to compete with private enterprise or tries to branch out into areas the Service was NEVER meant to be involved (the failed USPS email super server being a great ex.) I also support a draconian system aimed at eliminating junk mail and penny advertising pouring into our mailboxes. This business has become a core element of the USPS and its a loser deal for all but the senders.

    I don’t think “prisons” should be privatized. The legacy is more negative than positive. I do believe the we must rethink correctional services though. Here PPP’s could play a definite cost effective and results positive role. More drug treatment/education programs instead of incarceration. More civic works projects utilizing detainee labor targeting the areas of blight that nurture crime thus improving physical state of neighborhoods. (Broken Windows on steroids baby !)

  148. In short form to Rutherfords running line here.
    There are lines everywhere when it comes to politics. There is a line between libertarianism and anarchy. Between nationalism and federalized two party system dystopia. Between social democracy and fascism. On this last one the line is very very thin and so easily crossed. I also believe it is a line that vanishes fairly quickly thus making the two merged.
    My final suggestion. When one looks up fascism you get served up agenda driven drivel about Hitler and Mussolini with a focus WWII being the outcome. This is off base and basically dishonest. You might get some treatment on Spain,I highly doubt you’ll be offered a view of Singapore and you have to get to the fringes to get people connecting the dots with FDR. The fringes because people like you push it there not because its a crackpot analysis btw.

  149. This video is for you and you alone Rutherford. I have a point.

    I agree with much what el Tigre and Alfie wrote. Rutherford, you see\m trapped in an ideology so internalized you can’t understand the lines and connections.

    I know you are honestly trying, and you realize many of your core assumptions are failing right now, but connecting dots and crossing lines is hard when they oppose everything you assumed.

    Therefore, I will illustrate a point with this video. A Huffington writer likes this band. A strong folk tradition featuring magic and the supernatural is part of Estonia’s history. A new movement travels beyond repeating traditional songs. Its practioners do more than add electronics to folk music. They combine traditions in novel ways.

    Trad Attack borrows traditional music of spells and incantations which are delivered in a hypnotic chant or drone. Some instruments they play are the Jews harp and Estonian bagpipe.They combine rock, folk Indian and other styles to create a unique sound.

    They are a microcosm of the US.

  150. ”Ahhhh. Thank you Muffy.”

    There was a gas leak then? You’re welcome.

    “In a world without Roe” is a hypothetical. Putting aside that you still don’t seem to know that “a world without Roe” does not mean a world without abortion, how can I be quoting current law from a hypothetical world? It’s a hypothetical world…….

    Abortion is legal…….

    I’m telling you what I believe.

    You keep asking who goes to jail. Since abortion is legal AND NO ONE GOES TO JAIL FOR LEGAL ABORTIONS I can only assume you mean who is penalized in the case of an illegal abortion. I’m telling you what I believe!

    I said the doctor 3 years ago and I said it before that in Feb that same year (pasted/repeated in this thread) and I’ve said it since.

    I didn’t say the mother goes to jail and have never said the mother goes to jail because I don’t believe the mother should go to jail.

    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2015/01/23/the-brutal-truth-about-poverty-and-other-thoughts/#comments

    “The graphic below shows that most of us want pregnancies to go to term but we are at best ambivalent about the legal remedy when they don’t.” -Rutherford

    “Yank the doc’s license and when he crosses over into Gosnell territory throw his sorry ass in prison for life. How’s that for a pro-life stance? Too ambivalent a legal remedy? (Assuming him being cornholed in his cel is a given.)” -muffy June 24, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Then, as before, and as now – you don’t like my answer or it isn’t said in a way which will satisfy you.

    “Muffy I kinda thought you wanted the docs license yanked waaay before he got into Gosnell territory. Am I wrong? Or are you a bit ambivalent about where we draw the line?” -Rutherford , June 24, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “…6 weeks is my line, which I’ll gently remind you that I’ve said at least 3 times here…” -muffy , June 24, 2013 at 7:12 pm

  151. continued…

    Maybe you should open a window and go back and read these things in context. You forget what has been said (multiple times!) and you argue with me that I don’t have a right to my opinion. It’s not valid – it isn’t logical – in your mushy skull.

    “Do you support the rape exception, Miss “every life matters”? If so, why? Did the baby do anything to be conceived in rape? Should the baby get a death sentence for the crime of a stranger? If you believe so then you are only pro-life to a point. Why is there something wrong with me because I don’t respect where you draw your line? You obviously don’t respect where pro-choice people draw theirs.
    You’re beyond stupid today. You’re commenting while drunk, a practice I’ve advised you against in the past.” -Rutherford , January 27, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    “First, “my line” is as irrelevant as yours. There’s only one line that matters and that’s the one that puts the percentage of pregnancies in the US (over a million in 2013 according to Guttmacher) ending in abortion at roughly 20%.
    Second, given that you support any and every reason to abort within very liberal guidelines having nothing to do with science or any other matter of truth – I suggest you can your lecture to me about lines. One percent of aborting women reported they were rape survivors. One percent.” -muffy , January 27, 2015 at 9:30 pm

  152. You know what else I think Rutherford? You don’t like my answer because you aren’t able to articulate yours.

    It’s quite possible that you would prefer to be told what to think and for that you need others not to be in conflict (with each other) about what they believe because you can’t resolve that and apply it to yourself. Because it is a second hand opinion.

    This all reminds me of an article I read years ago on an entirely different topic but it’s the same thing. You’re simply The Man With No Feedback.

    http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2007/08/20/too-many-notes-how-not-to-give-feedback-on-creative-work/

    (PS…Re: lower intelligence, incidentally, probably not Palin’s precise communication issue nor is it substance abuse. Most likely she has a thought disorder not entirely unique and unheard of. FWIW.)

    Maybe you should go back to ignoring me.

  153. You forget what has been said (multiple times!) and you argue with me that I don’t have a right to my opinion.

    I plead guilty to the former and innocent to the latter. Everyone here has a right to their opinion and likely one of the biggest exercises in futility is trying to change another’s opinion. That’s why so many of the bars conversations circle the drain.

    As for the first accusation, you’re absolutely right. My memory of what’s been said here over the past nine years stinks and the specifics tend to blend into a general impression.

    I don’t know what you do for a living but if it doesn’t include research, you’ve missed your calling. I’m not being sarcastic.

  154. I guess Alfie is saying that if I don’t consider FDR a fascist then I have an unsophisticated understanding of fascism. To be honest, I haven’t studied the matter deeply enough to refute that. I’ll say this. If FDR was a fascist then Bernie Sanders will be too.

    If the belief that the price of membership in a society is contributing to the betterment of all (particularly the less fortunate), then I am indeed a fascist.

  155. Good article on the man with no feedback. I guess it’s no surprise that I don’t view myself as the Emperor in Amadeus. Or to put it differently, many of us in the bar are Emperors. Everyone here has depth in something but most of us, regarding politics, come here to blow off. One of us, and he knows who he is, doesn’t tend to pipe in unless he’s done a deep dive on it. And his comments reflect it.

    For the rest of us, it’s opinion backed up by life experience, personal prejudices, and sources which confirm our world view.

    Specifically on abortion, Muffy would rather mock that I struggle with it than show any sympathy. I’ve been very honest that this is a topic I find the most philosophically complex of any topic we’ve discussed here.

    But regarding the Emperor, this blog isn’t and never has been the place for expert analysis. I renamed the blog “the bar and grill” for a reason. This ain’t the Rutherford Lawson Politics Institute frequented by thought leaders. It’s a place for back and forth when we’re not doing the important stuff.

  156. It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole…that above all the unity of a nation’s spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual….This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture….The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call — to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness — idealism. By this we understand only the individual’s capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.

  157. @ Rutherford if you see any virtue in the above quote let me know.

    @ Rutherford I am absolutely claiming you have a very limited sense and understanding to what fascism is. I believe you are entrenched in the standard anti-right wing definition. I also know you are too emotionally attached to your own ideology to appreciate the variations to be found in all human forms of governance.

    Bernie Sanders will not be a fascist because he won’t be winning. Bernie Sanders leftist credentials are a lie in that he is given the typical leftie pass regards his comfort level of authoritarian rule.

    Last bit:
    If the belief that the price of membership in a society is contributing to the betterment of all (particularly the less fortunate), then I am indeed a fascist.
    This is complete nonsense and is quite frankly embarrassing and infuriating in equal measure. You speak of ends and fail to have any investment in the means. I also am bothered that folks like you if not you were pretty quick to spew the mantra that “When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”?

  158. One statement in the right context is as frightening as Alfie’s quote is “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

    Alfie was more dedicated to this argument than I. All I did was give you a song with limited back ground information and claim it is a metaphore for the US.

    “Never try to teach a pig. It waste’s your time and irritates the pig.” I’m not comparing anyone here to a pig. It is just an expression which applies to some arguments.

  159. “If the belief that the price of membership in a society is contributing to the betterment of all (particularly the less fortunate), then I am indeed a fascist.”

    Don’t you think Hitler, Stalin, and Mao thought they were creating a society that contributed to the betterment of all?

    Hitler had to remove the Jews from his society because they were fucking things up for everyone else. Stalin and Mao had to remove those not devoted to the state for the same reason.

    The thing is…the betterment of all really means the betterment of some. It ALWAYS means that. And their betterment comes at a cost to others–always. In the extremes, the price some pay is with their lives. in less extreme cases, it comes in the form of wealth and property re-distribution.

    Fascism isn’t about the price of betterment of others, it’s about being forced to pay it.

    Get yourself a copy of Mill’s “On Liberty”. To paraphrase and condense…the price of membership in a society is to not impede the freedom of others. If everyone (and that means everyone) is left free to advance, they will. Government’s only role is to protect that freedom.

  160. “If the belief that the price of membership in a society is contributing to the betterment of all (particularly the less fortunate), then I am indeed a fascist.”

    I for one, am not. Fuck ’em all. That’s what we’ve all been saying all along. 🙄

    Actually, I don’t know what the fuck you’ve said.

    Strike that. You’ve said nothing. Nothing at all. Well, other than “you care.” Of course anyone that doesn’t buy into what your view of government and liberty must therefore “not care.”

    Got it.

    rutherford, you suffer from the worst case of intellectual laziness I’ve ever encountered.

  161. Liberals are cool with contributing to the betterment of others when they think it’s only about paying 50 cents more for a Big Mac. Any more than that and it’s up to others, (read: rich people and corporations) to do their patriotic duty and pay their fair share—massively.

    How many university faculty do you think would be in favor of free higher education for all if it meant a substantial cut in their pay? And if that policy led to a reduction in the amount of university teachers, how many would like being forced to become or remain one–for that reduced pay?

    Rutherford, look at “society” in the microcosm of a company. IBM thought they were contributing to the betterment of others (in the form of shareholders and everyone else who got to keep their job) when they laid off you and your wife. See now how this type of thing requires a purge of some to accomplish?

    And it always does. That’s how it leads to fascism.

  162. I will give Rutherford due credit.

    Discussions here have led me to retrieve dusty books from my shelves more than once, not only to make sure something I allege is in line with my readings, but also just to enjoy re-reading things.

    I dug out Mill earlier and find myself still turning the pages well after pushing the “Post Comment” button. I’ve done the same thing with The Federalist Papers, and other works, too.

  163. The article sailed over your head, Rutherford.

    My sympathy for your “struggle” with abortion is proportional to the respect you show for others who actually possess the ear that you and the emperor lack.

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