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Finding Religion in Campaign 2016

This post is more a rumination than any sort of argument. I’m thinking aloud.

Have you noticed every election night during the primary/caucus season, we are told for whom evangelicals voted? More often the demographic is described as “white evangelicals”. When is the last time you heard Chuck Todd say “and the Jewish vote went to …”? Have you ever heard that? I haven’t. And I might not have even noticed it if it weren’t for the fact my favorite candidate is Bernie Sanders, a Brooklyn born Jewish Senator from Vermont.

The lack of any handle on Jewish preferences was not simply my ignorance. It simply isn’t well researched as documented in the Washington Post.

The reasons that Jews as a whole seem not to be enthusiastic Sanders supporters are multifaceted, and difficult to fully ascertain since most national polling does not report which candidates Jews have voted for in the primaries and caucuses, or who they say they will support. – Washington Post

When Sanders is asked about his Judaism in debates it has a feel of “why don’t you wear your faith on your sleeve?” Of course, with other candidates this is never a problem. They wear their religion in full view. Whether it’s Hillary’s references to “God given abilities” or Ted Cruz’s more ostentatious bible thumping, you never doubt these pols are God fearing.

Sanders answers the God question two ways. The two angles are dissected by Charles Krauthammer but Krauthammer allows one of Sanders’ answers to drown out the other.

Krauthammer looks at three perspectives on Jewish self identification. He speaks of practice – the actual religious practice of synagogue attendance and other types of worship. Then he speaks of Tikkun, basically the Jew’s inner liberal, a “do unto others…” ethos for living a decent life. Finally Krauthammer speaks of the H bomb – a visceral association with the Holocaust and its aftermath.

Bernie never talks about practice. By all accounts, he is a nonobservant Jew. So Bernie’s answer on the God/religion question is usually a mixture of Tikkun and the H bomb. But I think Krauthammer gets the mix wrong. He focuses on Bernie’s acknowledgment that much of his family was wiped out in the Holocaust. Krauthammer then uses this to ruminate on the folly of Jews being Holocaust-centric. However this is not Bernie.

Bernie is all about the Tikkun. “When you hurt, I hurt” has been Sanders consistent answer to his spiritual underpinnings. He only brings up the Holocaust to hone in on what many Jews might believe to be uniquely Jewish.

This gets me back to my query. Where are “Jews for Bernie”? Well, I did find a Facebook page with that title but clearly there seems to be no groundswell of support akin to black support for Obama or his new BFF Hillary Clinton.

Or is there? Maybe the lack of support isn’t so clear? How could we know? This brings me back to my original question about demographic tracking. If we do a bit of syntactical dissection, maybe we’ll find the reason why Chuck Todd never discusses the Jewish  vote.

  • Tracking Jewish voting patterns.
  • Tracking Jewish voting.
  • Tracking Jewish …
  • Tracking Jews

WHOOOOA!!!!! Sounds a bit Hitleresque, doesn’t it? Could it be that Jews are the one minority we don’t track very well because the whole idea subliminally summons notions of Nazi Germany?

Maybe I’m letting my sociological imagination get the best of me but it seems odd to me that in a year of the first potential woman President and the first potential Hispanic President, no one seems remotely interested in the prospect of the first Jewish President.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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598 thoughts on “Finding Religion in Campaign 2016

  1. Well, I can tell you a lot of people calling themselves “Evangelical Christian” aren’t and the mainstream media has no idea what it is, so I think they think it means, “White Protestant Christian.” 😆

    Then I saw one where it Catholic vote, but I know several Catholics that would call themselves ‘Evangelical.’

    So, it’s the usual Vietnamese you know what when it comes to polling…

  2. Your comment takes me even deeper – no discussion of Jews, hence absolutely no discussion of Orthodox Jews, who might be the actual Jewish equivalent of the evangelical.

    LOL Picture this: a reporter asks during an exit poll “would you call yourself an evangelical?” Now can you ever imagine that reporter walking up to someone and asking “would you call yourself Jewish?” Wouldn’t happen.

  3. This was my father’s favorite song before he died. He regarded it to be a conversation with God as he questioned God’s motivations, but grudgingly accepted his faith. Maybe it also describes the relationship some religious communities, including Jews with God.

    Our dog died this week, probably Sunday night before we left for Omaha. She is not around and didn’t eat the last canned food we left her. I searched for the body but didn’t find anything-not a surprise. She was a stray free agent who’s jaw had been broken by an abusive owner. Our dog killed anything smaller than a badger and once tried to destroy a red tailed hawk.

    She was my ski partner after 2004. Though she usually was cautious around strangers she loved our grand daughter.

    Our college comparative religion visited a Jewish synagoge in Sioux City. They were systematic and casual about their faith. For example, no one took up a collection. They sent monthly statements.

    We were also friends with a Polish woman who lost her entire family to the Nazis. She didn’t seem to wear her religious beliefs as some Christians and Muslims do.

  4. Last night, an elderly Trump supporter punched somebody.

    Today, thousands… Fucking thousands!…. Of violent Bernie suppoters attacked the Trump rally and shut it down.

    Do the math, people.

  5. I had a choice tonight:
    Sanders rally in Summit, IL or
    Trump rally in Chicago

    Scheduling conflict prevented me from attending either one but it’s pretty damn clear where I would have been safer.

    I’m really trying to avoid hyperbolic statements but I have to wonder where we’re headed.

    P.S. If you don’t know by age 78 not to punch a total stranger in the face, maybe it’s time for you to move on to the next phase.

  6. I call bullshit Rabbit. They very well may have been Hillary supporters or simple BLM advocates. You pulled the Bernie connection out of your ass. True Bernie supporters had an airtight alibi. They were at a Bernie rally.

  7. You can call bull shit all you want…. Even the Bernie kids on Reddit (practicality the cyber birth place of the Bernie surge) are acknowledging that these were, for the most part…. Bernie people.

    They just aren’t the Bernie people you like to imagine…

  8. “Scheduling conflict prevented me from attending either one but it’s pretty damn clear where I would have been safer.”

    Yup.. The right doesn’t attack Bernie rallies with a horde of thousands. But the left……

  9. You are doing some serious spin. From what I saw, the Trump attendees FAR outnumbered the anti-Trump protesters. Shit got nasty early and fast and Trump cancelled. There was confrontation from both sides.

    Please don’t play victim on this. All those assholes, Trump and anti-Trump deserved each other. Just lucky no one got seriously hurt.

  10. If the assertion is that the goal was to shut down the rally, I fully agree. Is it anti-democratic? Yes. I don’t condone it. But it’s not what Bernie is preaching.

    Assholes are following both candidates.

  11. I’m not saying it was Bernie’s fault. Just like the elderly man isn’t Trump’s fault.

    Muffy was there! Ask her.

  12. Thanks for the good thoughts about our dog. We were pals for many years.

    I would lose sleep over a Trump victory or defeat if I thought about it. We are like suicide bombers.

  13. Go back to your couch. You know nothing of the world outside.

    It was exactly as I said. Mostly Bernouts. I witnessed a handful of very aggressive black men picking fights. Heard the BLM chant and Feel the Bern and Trump is a racist.

    Youll see.

  14. Serves me right for acknowledging her existence.

    Fine. The fearless reporter saw a nasty black guy and heard “feel the Bern” so clearly the Trump crowd were innocent sweethearts.

    Thanks for all the news that’s fit to print. Edward R. Murrow would be proud.

  15. Protest movements in Europe are also getting more violent. This is a trend as factions become more angry and intolerant. I I think someone will die eventually.

    .

  16. I saw a black guy throw a punch and the KID he punched walked away.

    The crowd was BLM secondary to hundreds of Bern feelers cheerfully stamping out free speech.

  17. You have to cop a Judeo-Christian faith to get anywhere close to presidential in America. Even though Judeo-Christian is really an oxymoron. No other recognized faiths or people of no faith stand a chance. You must profess belief in G-D. The Jews believe He is unable to be known whereas the Christians claim to know Him.

    Most politicians wear the proper label, though don’t really walk the walk.

  18. Jews account for less than 1.5% of the U.S. population. They are not a significant voting block in national election (relatively speaking), are they?

  19. Tigre, I’m surprised the percent is that small. 1.5%? That’s a very tiny minority and if true, would hardly register a blip on the electoral radar.

    Do you think that’s the primary reason their political choices aren’t closely tracked?

  20. “The fearless reporter saw a nasty black guy and heard “feel the Bern” so clearly the Trump crowd were innocent sweethearts.”

    Trump supporters attended the rally to pick a fight with SJW’s? I hate ’em all but one group was there to pick a fight and from what I see got what they wanted.

  21. “Do you think that’s the primary reason their political choices aren’t closely tracked?”

    Seems a logical conclusion to me.

  22. I have two honest questions:

    1) Is the MSM ignoring the rallies where Sanders says he’d like to punch a protester in the face?

    2) Putting aside my years-old cross hairs argument against Palin, is it even possible for a person to incite violence? Did the 78 year old think Trump would disapprove of his Tyson move? When a candidate jokes with the crowd “I’ll pay your legal bill” if you rough up a protester is that helpful?

    Please don’t answer it’s not Trump’s fault. No man is responsible for the actions of another but surely he can influence that behavior.

  23. So – forget MSNBC – you’re telling me that if ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, the NYT and WAPO do not report that the first punch was thrown by the protesters then they’re all lying?

    Let’s ask Muffy what time she got there. Let’s ask Muffy if she saw everything that lead up to the BLM and Bernout aggression. Let’s ask Muffy how many different vantage points she had at the rally.

    Seriously. Muffy you know I welcome guest writers. Since you were there and the MSM will no doubt twist what happened, send me your first hand account and I’ll publish it without edits. Did you take photos with your cell? I’ll publish those too.

    Let’s get the truth out.

  24. I disdain Donald Trump. I love free speech more. The fault tonight lies entirely with these anarchists and black militants.

    Still think the country isn’t going to split, R? Not to take you task as none of this is your fault or my fault. You may have a better handle on the voting preference of the majority of this country. But I’ve got a better handle on the anger brewing.

    You can see why I don’t personally think Kent State was a tragedy but a necessity. It needs to happen again to send a message before thousands end up getting maimed..

  25. There are other perspectives to consider.

    I’m watching a recording of Hardball from earlier tonight and the headline is “Awaiting Trump as Tensions Rise”. There was also a high police presence.

    To what extent did the media and police presence exacerbate the problem?

  26. Tex the more I think about tonight the more I see this as a chicken egg first amendment fight.

    Trump has a right to speak. Protesters have a right to protest. Can the two co-exist without violence?

  27. Trump’s public observation of China’s strength during Tianamen Square should send a clear message to protesters that they’re going to get their heads cracked open.

    So the next logical question is do the protesters deserve what they get; knowing Trump’s perspective?

  28. Self reflection is a bitch. I’m sitting here thinking about my visceral reaction when BLM disrupted a Bernie speech. I wanted them to get their ass kicked.

    Too much anger in the system. I think we all need to be assigned our own personal therapist. Paid for by the government of course. 😀😀

  29. Trump has a right to speak. Protesters have a right to protest. Can the two co-exist without violence?

    “Peacefully” protest is a right. Bum rushing a stage is a mob. When has #BLM ever peacefully protested. Screaming in people’s faces and silencing a speaker is not a peaceful protest.

    It’s a prelude to war.

  30. “Let’s ask Muffy what time she got there. Let’s ask Muffy if she saw everything that lead up to the BLM and Bernout aggression. Let’s ask Muffy how many different vantage points she had at the rally.”

    About 7:30. I stayed in one spot for about 45 min. NW corner of Halsted and Harrison. I disputed and stand by it your two remarks below, which you could not possibly know.

    “I call bullshit Rabbit. They very well may have been Hillary supporters or simple BLM advocates. You pulled the Bernie connection out of your ass. True Bernie supporters had an airtight alibi. They were at a Bernie rally.”

    “You are doing some serious spin. From what I saw, the Trump attendees FAR outnumbered the anti-Trump protesters.”

    The second is harder to gauge on the whole but most outside were Bernie youth. I actually thought he would have been offended at the Hitler signs. Not that they werent professional looking. Indeed they were.

    The big pussgut I saw punch the kid across the street smacked him for his Trump sign as he walked by.

    I cant help you blame Trump for the violence or whatever it us youre trying to get at Rutherford.

  31. Well, I guess this is going to make the sell of being a uniter a little more difficult. 😈

    Or it is possible Trump believes tonight is uniting?

    At this point I’m not sure which scares me more…

    A Trump win…or a Trump loss.

    Ironically, about 39 months ago, I used those very exact words on this very blog substituting the word Obama for Trump.

  32. Thanks, Rutherford. Memories of our dog do seem more important than a distant protest mob.

    I have had some experience. I remember the peaceful Tea Party demonstrations and how they cleaned up after themselves. I was there and helped. I also remember how leftists tried to incite violence against them and actually injured some demonstrators, though not while I was around.

    I also remember the anti war movement in the US, Britain, Italy, and France, because I was there in some of the crowds. No one died, but I saw police and protesters get
    hurt.

    I watched Chicago anti war protesters tell British reporters they planed to incite a major riot to put the police and Chicago government and the Democratic convention in a bad light. They didn’t share their plans with the protest ground troops who were expecting something more peaceful.

    This is only anecdotal from my personal experience. From what I have seen, yes, a single person can incite a riot. The left tends to be more violent than the right because they tend to have more urgent concerns and are already angry. Once the right gets mad, Katy bar the door.

    I agree with Tex about Kent State. The authorities were at fault for putting nervous, inexperienced troops in what appeared to be a dangerous situation, and the protesters should have been smart enough not to attack armed men,

  33. People protest in a lot of different ways. I know a lot of passive aggressive types. Boycott is also a non aggressive protest. Mob mentality can cause a protest to escalate into violence and destructive behavior. Many are used to incite violence to justify a tough response. Agent provocateurs can be aware of their role while others are MANipulated™ using mind control methods.

    There is a big difference between protesters today and those during the 60’s. There is now an entire science built around it and military manuals include public MANipulation™ in their scope of dominance.

    When the media puts up a story it is biased and often an intended false narrative. Boots on the ground often describe an entirely different scene. Broadcast power can keep truth in suspension long enough for political plans to proceed. This is the world we MANifest™ and consume daily in the us. That’s why I skip breakfast.

  34. “I have had some experience. I remember the peaceful Tea Party demonstrations and how they cleaned up after themselves. I was there and helped. I also remember how leftists tried to incite violence against them and actually injured some demonstrators, though not while I was around.”

    Uh, sure you did, James.

    What time did you get there? Did you see everything that occurred among these violent racist leading up to their non-vioelnce and non-racism? How many different vantage points did you have at the Klan meeting? Did you take photos with your cell?

    Let’s get the truth out. You can’t seem to handle the TRUTH!!!!!!

  35. This was so contrived looking at it now.

    4 hours into the event. Understand that the person providing the narrative would normally have been sitting in his office on that fateful day. When you realize where his office was and the spaces his company occupied, the coincidence clicker becomes a resounding gong. The fact that he just lost hundreds of colleagues makes it surreal.

  36. ‏@People4Bernie
    Remember the #TrumpRally wasn’t just luck. It took organizers from dozens of organizations and thousands of people to pull off. Great work.

  37. James, I meant to tell you last night I was sorry to hear about your “pup.” Everyone on this board knows my fondness for dogs. I love them more than I do 99.9999% of people. They grab your heartstrings and never let you go. And when they pass, it’s like losing your best friend.

    If this doesn’t make you smile, nothing will. Truly, God’s second best gift to man.

  38. Rutherford, it is becoming obvious that this whole thing was put on by Sanders supporters.

    You’re trying to take a position that even Sanders is not taking. Listen to the Maddow setup for this clip. She states he “did talk about what happened in Chicago tonight” and then it begins with him stating his campaign is about bringing “our people together”. He’s gladly taking ownership for that protest.

    Notice there isn’t even a hint of disassociation with those protesters. No calls for non-violence. No pleading for people not to represent his campaign with negative or inflammatory actions. He’s proud of this, just as those who did it are.

  39. I was reading a story about old Bernie the other day. I wish I had kept the link. Sanders is not nearly the peaceful, avuncular nice guy that people are marketing him to be trying to even the score for the disenfranchised.

    There’s a lot of SDS in “good, old Bernie.” Never forget a lot of these red diaper babies trafficking themselves as of the people and marching for Jim Crow, were first and foremost rabid haters of the Federal government, spitting on returning Vets, and stoking up the rage in conjunction with good, old people like the Black Panthers and the Weather Underground. Bernie was right there with them.

  40. Watching the Bernie Sanders’ video, what is “our people” supposed to mean? I thought it was “America” Bernie was supposed to be representing?

    Back to my point previously. Bernie Sanders is no more a “uniter” than Donald Trump would prove to be a “uniter,” or for that matter, Donald Trump was a “uniter.”

  41. After listening multiple times, Sanders doesn’t actually claim ownership. It’s Maddow who gives him ownership.

    But it is also coming to light that these were his supporters, and if he doesn’t want to own it he needs to disown it.

    So far he hasn’t.

  42. Sanders won’t speak out against this because that will be admitting it was wrong.

    And he isn’t in a political position to tell anyone supporting him that they’ve done something wrong. That’s victim-blaming.

    Maddow points out that nothing like this happens at Sanders rallies, Who will she blame if the right starts forming protests at those rallies and violence ensues?

    Of course that’s a rhetorical question

    Trump’s a jackass, and he has a lot of supporters that are jackasses…and he eggs them on. But let’s not pretend he’s the only one stoking division in this country. This shit has been going on since 2003, Trump’s just more blatant.

  43. Nothing like that happens at Sander’s rallies? Sanders was the first booted off the stage by the thugs. What a short memory Rachel Maddow has. Or is it just a selective memory?

    The same people showing up in droves at Sanders’ large gatherings are the young SJWs bum-rushing the stages on college campuses, young fascists in waiting. They’re the heart and center of all this crap. Sanders core base is the Missou campus and Prof. Melissa Click.

    Rutherford is actually pretty much a rarity being a Bernie supporter, older and black. That’s overwhelmingly Hillary’s base.

  44. Rutherford. {snicker}

    You got a real hangup with Christians, don’t you? Why do you attend church with your wife? Is it just politeness?

    Whose a Bernie Sanders’ endorsement? Sarah Silverman, Michael Moore, Cornel West? :lol; Dynamite!

    I do understand your hatred concerning Cruz, though. Overt religiosity drives you nuts.

  45. I won’t take a candidates side in this shit storm but let’s be clear that the LEFTS preoccupation with crushing free speech cannot be tolerated any longer. I don’t care if its a campus,a political rally or the local park We The People must put an end to this stuff.

    The biggest winners out of the Chicago debacle?
    Trump,white people and the press,pretty much in that order.
    Biggest losers?
    The City of Chicago,niggers**,liberals and as evolving perhaps Bernie.
    Entity that most needs new vigilance?
    Regular folks
    Things most likely seeking medical care this weekend?
    Democracy & pretty much everything First Amendment in nature.

    ** I want to be clear about my intentional use of the word nigger. The symbolism is very real as it is what will be placed upon blacks in heightened fashion. There will be no benefit of the doubt in many circles afforded totally innocent people of color. This event will help foster attitudes one sees after events like the Rodney King verdict and Baltimore,Ferguson etc.

  46. On a related note I find it hilarious that the folks that admired,felt tingles and all in all creamed and or moistened their undergarments over styrofoam columns and grandeur somehow see tyranny in an opposing party candidate – all in the same city.

  47. Why do you attend church with your wife? Is it just politeness?

    I can’t figure out if that’s sarcasm. We don’t go to church except for funerals.

    You are right about overt religiosity. The phrase “thou dost protest too much” always comes to mind. The only one constantly bringing up the lord who I’ve given a pass to is Kasich because I believe his faith is sincere, born of severe personal trauma.

  48. Thanks Tex. I just came home from a meeting and missed our dog’s meeting our car. That was a funny video, especially since elephants arrived in Omaha yesterday.

    I agree with you, Huck except that this has been going on since long before 2003. Post 2003 is merely a new phase of an old division.

  49. Two things:

    1) First a public apology to Muffy. I didn’t want to believe what she saw but she saw what she saw. I don’t believe Sanders had any involvement with that protest/disruption but they were pro-Bernie in part and BLM in the other part. That’s what Muffy reported and it’s backed up by the MSM (even MSNBC).

    2) These protests will only make Trump’s supporters more strident. BLM and the Berns may very well get Trump elected.

  50. These people have been taught for years that they have a right to shut down any ideas they don’t like. Just look at the leftist fascism on campuses all over this country.

    The difference is the Trump mob will retaliate and it will be much worse then a an elderly man.

  51. “First a public apology”

    What a shock. 12 hours later and Rutherford is wrong about the street for thousandth fucking time.

    He’s like a wife abuser….always sorry the next day. But always back at it.

  52. Sanders was not interrupted at his own rally. Sanders was a guest at another rally when he got interrupted. Just setting the record straight.

    The appeal in Trump’s tactic is “you are NOT going to shut me up”. That resonates.

    Rabbit is right. If stuff doesn’t calm down, someone is going to get seriously hurt or killed. Secret Service surrounded Trump on stage today when a protester rushed the stage. I keep thinking Arthur Bremmer and George Wallace. Dangerous times.

  53. He’s like a wife abuser….always sorry the next day. But always back at it.

    I wasn’t apologizing to you. Go fuck yourself.

    Unlike the press, when I’m wrong, I publish a retraction. Take it or leave it.

  54. “I wasn’t apologizing to you. Go fuck yourself.”

    “I call bullshit Rabbit. You pulled the Bernie connection out of your ass.”-R

    In fairness, your nasty snark towards Muffy was much worse. Pretty obvious it was a deeper insecurity at play. Probably stemming from the symbiotic relationship you have with your stinky couch, you always wrong, insulated fuck.

    A love seat-lichen….a child’s brain in a vat….. Hidden in your dumb dumb den with an internet connection.

    For you, the phrase “I told you so” is like a choke chain that is neck-wrenching a stubborn imbred Collie with a MSNBC addiction.

    So sick of you…. You are always fucking wrong and always vile while being wrong.

  55. Glad you went there Rabbit. I STILL say you pulled the Sanders connection out of your ass. You got lucky.

    I should have given Muffy more credit but as you suggest, my mind was clouded by my bias against her.

    You made your Sanders assessment from your couch same way I did. Maybe in your case it was a bar stool, not a couch.

  56. I’m beginning to think voting for Trump in November makes more and more sense. I get a two-fer. I can stick it to Hillary and to all the establishment Republicans who sat silent while the vile huckster insulted our President, almost to the point of extortion.

  57. “I don’t think America is remotely aware of the state of our democracy”
    They soon will. Storm clouds are gathering.

  58. Rutherford, you keep hinting that you might vote for Trump. I hope you are serious. It could be our first suicide pact.

  59. The roosting chickens was your Hope and Change demagoguery and Obama king fantasies.

    What… Did you rhimk you clukd keep bullying this country forever? You whipped up an enemy mob.

    We said this was going to happen.

  60. Ok… The typos there actually make me look unstable….

    ** GUFFAW **

    Tell me, Bro. Rabbit. Don’t you secretly (like me) wish you could stroll into one of these #BLM disruptions and crack some skull with a blunt instrument?

    I mean, like that clown standing behind the podium last night. The thought of swinging an aluminum 34″ at his occipital from behind while he is up there dancing around ripping up signs and sending his brain matter into a stunned crowd while being filmed on MSNBC, is almost orgasmic to think about.

    I guarantee with your swing and a 20 second discussion off an anatomy chart I show you were I will point the place to hit, you could actually send his cranium flying into the audience

    I guarantee you if someone did this to about a dozen of these militants, after the dust settles, so will the urge to rush a stage.

  61. I’m actually softening on Trump secondary to everyones hypocrisy. Clinton telling a predominantly black group He’s a major instigator of violence? lol
    Seriously though America is getting a collective comeuppance that we essentially deserve.

  62. Just brings on more trouble.

    What’s going to bring trouble is not doing anything. If your thug President refuses to do anything about it, maybe it is time to do it ourselves.

    I’ve always been of the belief that you have lent your tacit approval to these fascists, kind of enjoying it, if it were just the right crowd they were shutting down. Liberties mean nothing to your type except your own. For instance, I don’t believe you mind conservative speakers at colleges being bum-rushed. That’s the Soros crowd, the Obama thugs, the Farrakhan goons.

    Here’s what I know. Political correctness and cowardice has empowered these animals. The unteachable mob only understands one thing. Power and death.

    To be fair, give them warning that they will be killed in any violent protest if they show up in mass. They are free to demonstrate all they want outside the arena and within the roped area with signs and such. The minute they enter into arena and do what they did in Chicago, real bullets follow, non negotiable.

    Any SOB carrying a gun or throwing a rock gets one to head, two the chest. Not rubber bullets – hollow points, blowing about a two inch gape through their chest cavity and out the back. They’ll drop like a lead weight.

    And so you know I won’t discriminate on account of race, shoot every brown and white piece of trash stooge rioting with them.

    That is the only thing that will put a stop to the bullshit.

  63. This Clinton Trump team is evil genius. I have to give them that.

    Of course they do dominate the media’s coverage by far.

  64. Super. Tex’s response to my cautionary comment is to triple down on the fantasy violence.

    There was one wise nugget I extracted from your last comment. There should be no problem with the protesters silently holding signs inside the venue. Once they attempt to disrupt, they should be removed. Outside the venue, anything goes other than physicality. They should be able to chant whatever they want, etc.

    Trump’s mistake is constantly acknowledging them. Let security take care of them and get on with your improv routine. I watched a rally in Kansas City today that was 20% rally and 80% Trump berating protesters and yelling “get em out!” Ain’t presidential.

  65. Hillary asks where was Bernie when she was fighting for healthcare in the 90’s. Photo shows him standing right behind her.

    She’s a stone cold liar. I just wish it were her supporters disrupting Trump but alas her supporters are incremental assholes. Bernie’s folks want a revolution.

  66. “I just wish it were her supporters disrupting Trump”

    You should be wishing it were Bernie’s supporters disrupting her.

    I guess there’s only so much a person can do when they’ve spent their limited adult existence hiding in safe spaces and playing with adult coloring books to escape bad feelings.

    “I watched a rally in Kansas City today that was 20% rally and 80% Trump berating protesters and yelling “get em out!” Ain’t presidential.”

    Meanwhile, Hillary’s husband is out telling vets to shut up.

    Maybe that’s who needs to start protesting outside of her rallies.

  67. “Don’t you secretly (like me) wish you could stroll into one of these #BLM disruptions and crack some skull with a blunt instrument?”

    I would not back down one bit to these thugs.

  68. I also think Trump is getting a raw deal on this. He has talked too violently, but so has Obama in the past. The Soros backed protesters have seen an opening, and they have threatened Trump’s freedom of speech by shouting down his minions.

    Cruz and Rubio are circling like vultures as they also see an opening to damage. Obama in his way is as demogaugic as Trump. The stench of hypocracy reeks like an open sewer.

    I also agree that America deserves its comupance, I take strong exception that I’m included. I deserve none of this. I have a lot of company.

  69. Newsbusters commented on an NBC report that the Sanders campaign did not organize the riot, but that they approved of it. There will be more such demonstrations the campaign says. The intent is to stifle freedom of speech and that is fascism.

    How can you vote for anyone other than Trump or maybe Webb, Rutherford? Your chickens are coming home to roost.

  70. After seeing Trump & Webb in the same sentence I thought of how that would be a great way to shock the system,it’d probably guarantee a HRC Oval trip too but I’m all about the blowing shit up thing from here on out.
    Trump/Webb 2016 ?!?

  71. One of the reasons I maintained my page was that it served as a launchpad I felt better than bookmarks for getting diverse stories.
    One such story is how of all the financial regulation dog shit that is Dodd Frank both the GOP & Dems are trying to get over on one of the lines they shouldn’t touch.
    Banks are “straddled” with assuring they posses “easy to sell” assets,this is to help assure a min. of 30 days operations and prevent future bailouts. Well the House has already passed and Chuckie Schemer is working the Senate to pass a bill that allows state and city bonds (muni-bonds) to be deemed “easy to sell”.
    THEY AIN’T
    THIS IS BAD
    NEED PROOF ?
    SEE PEURTO RICO !

  72. I would not back down one bit to these thugs.

    I’ve already got my lines ready should I be asked if “Do Black Lives Matter?” After running my mouth, ram that sugar bottle upside their skull with a fork to the thigh aiming for the femoral artery. 😈

    I’m sure I have bloviated here about being in a late night brawl at a Denny’s spin off on I44 – one that my damn roommate frankly started. Still remember the Bluto looking cook with his chef’s hat on throwing dinner plates and punches, trying to crown someone with a spatula. Makes me laugh 35 years later thinking about it.

    I’ve never slinked so low crawling out the door while the cops with batons in their hands were coming in.

    “Officer! Officer! There’s a brawl going on in the Waffle House!”

    “Somebody has already called it in…”

    “Oh, you guys are the best…”

    Runs to car….
    Drives off with pancake syrup on the front of his shirt. 😛

  73. “I can stick it to Hillary and to all the establishment Republicans who sat silent while the vile huckster insulted our President, almost to the point of extortion.”

    Until such time as black leaders – read equally vile (to Trump) hucksters OBAMA and his personally chosen ambassador to the black community Al Sharpton – denounce violent extremist hate group Black Lives Matter…and until Democrat leaders like Obama, Clinton, Sanders, Reid, and Pelosi denounce Sander’s rabid mob actively trying to stifle free speech…Dem’s criticism of who didn’t speak out against stupid poolman shit that some NY mogul said about “our President” is dismissed on the grounds it is far too hypocritical to be taken seriously.

    “Our President” routinely badmouths us to the rest of the world. He rebukes us for his pets biting us. He lies about his policies and about what he has said and done, and is absent in troubled times that he had a hand in creating be it Libya or racial political unrest here at home. Let the whining fly about the lack of respect for a man who hates half of Americans and never ever lets an opportunity pass to make that abundantly clear. We don’t care anymore.

    You deserve Trump.

  74. Good apology, Rutherford. I wasn’t expecting that. Thank you – go in peace.

    I live 5 blocks from the pavilion and it was a nice night, it wasn’t nothing to take a walk over and check it out. Moreover you should know by now that my veracity is unimpeachable!

    (PS…thanks Rabbit and Tigre.)

  75. I never really knew and still don’t how accurate it is to say that the Arab spring started with that single act of self-immolation but maybe it’s worth reflecting on it as though it had.

  76. I would not back down one bit to these thugs.

    Rabbit that’s not a response to what Tex said. Tex is talking violent proactive behavior. You’re talking self defense. Two totally different things.

  77. James I’m often on the verge of putting my name in nomination for the Pres of the James Fan Club and then you go say something crazy.

    There is zero comparison to Obama’s 2008 and 2012 campaigns and that of Donald Trump. Obama never announced from the stump that he would like to punch a protester in the face. He never said he’d pay the legal bills of any violent Trump fans. You’re in the Twilight Zone on this one.

  78. On Face the Nation, Sanders discouraged his followers from disrupting Trump rallies, indicated he had nothing to do with past disruptions and that he can’t control the behavior of all his supporters.

    Since Sanders’ followers disrupted Friday and Saturday without his sanction, there is no reason to believe they will stop.

  79. @ Rutherford an orange is an orange and an apple is an apple but they’re still both fruits.
    Organizing and supporting “truth squads” and attacking the businesses of citizens who supported the opposition is just as bad as Trumps pot stirring. Add to that the successful Obama Administration supported official sanctions against the People and yo have the common denominator. Imperial Presidency brings forth corruption of government and humanity at a level not seen since the whole late 19th early 20th century civil service debacles.

  80. Webb believes in things you both personally and politically have either zero respect or desire for. From my perspective that speaks volumes on your character as much as his.

  81. Rutherford, Obama is doing the same as Trump. We have given examples. His last comment throwing blame at the anger in this country on Republican anger mongering is as demagogic as Trump’s bluster. Obama is merely more gentile like a college instructor while Trump sounds like a Saturday night brawler.

    You think I write crazy do you? I’ll show you crazy. This flash mob shows what a bunch of Russians can do with two weeks of practice. I picked Russians because Putin likes Trump.

  82. @ Tex @ 1:12
    I can relate to that in a different way. I was part of the butterfly wing theory at a fair that spun out of control into a rolling riot that stretch about a mile.
    I was with a group that was essentially set upon by some thugs. The police separated us and we chose to leave,being a party of four. While making our way out Alfie bumps into some of the more radical elements of his inner circle who took great umbrage to my plight. They went a hunting. While we drove past the fair returning our dates home we saw cars burning and the BPD having a hell of a go chasing folks.

  83. Alfie, you misunderstand. I perceive Webb as anti-interventionist, based on an understanding of the cost of war. I admire that. I seem to recall his being fiscally conservative. I have no issue with that.

    My comment spoke more to his demeanor. He’s the “why don’t I get to talk more” complainer at the debate. He seems peevish, unnecessarily so. He doesn’t convince me he has “statesman” in him. I can easily see him failing at outreach to Congress just as Obama did.

    I don’t think his personality is suited to the job. Crackpot may have been over the top.

  84. Does Bernie denounce MoveOn.org? Not on your life. Does he denounce Black Lives Matter?

    “Other local and national activism groups also got involved, including some local labor organizations, Black Lives Matter and MoveOn.Org, which has endorsed Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders.”

    “Patrisse Cullors, a leading force behind Black Lives Matter, said ‘the protests, the disruptions will continue.’ ”

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-protesters-20160312-story.html

  85. “I never really knew and still don’t how accurate it is to say that the Arab spring started with that single act of self-immolation but maybe it’s worth reflecting on it as though it had.”

    It is probably debatable as far as causation, but the guy setting himself on fire in Tunisia did set off protests, which eventually ended with Ben Ali stepping down after it became clear he had lost the support of the army. And as far as the timeline goes, the Tunisian leader was the first to fall.

  86. “That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

  87. Tex is talking violent proactive behavior.

    Oh baloney. There is proactive defensive posture with intent to kill should the need arise. Big difference.

    Rutherford, you really want a race war? These imbeciles are going to get a guy like you beaten half to death. Doesn’t matter you’re about as “guilty” as Muffy would be.

    When all hell breaks loose, the idiots on either side aren’t going to discriminate because you’re flashing the peace sign or standing with a cane. The people you with here and Harvard aren’t the thugs you’ll be dealing with there.

  88. Speaking of Tunisia, I don’t hear a thing about it anymore. Anybody know the current standing there.

    More or less radicalized? I had almost forgotten how the Arab Spring started.

  89. Bernie Sanders campaign said they were not responsible for the riot, but they praised the group effort of their supporters while blaming Trump. Sanders did not advise his supporters to refrain from a repeat.

    A trip down memory lane shows us people like Sarah Palin were held to such a standard that any hint of malfeasance led to conclusions painting them with violent motives. If that standard is good for one, it is good for all. Thus, by failing to tell his supporters to stay non violent, Sanders is just as guilty of inciting further violence as Palin’s bulls eye was of Gabby Gifford’s being shot.

    Thus, I was not writing crazy. I was applying the same standard liberals imposed on conservatives.

  90. James…. Sara Palin used an online graphic of a metaphorical bullseye and our blog host was absolutely beside himself devoting a rambling blog and numerous comments.

  91. A British tourist site says Tunisia is fairly stable after democratic elections. Mostly peaceful demonstrations are common. The border is tightly controlled to keep terrorists out.

  92. I’m glad Sanders advised his followers not to continue violent demonstrations against Trump. He finally did the right thing.

    I’m also happy I posted a video with a Russians for another reason. As we know, Putin likes Trump. Conversely, at least one member of the Russian punk band Pussy Riot endorsed Sanders. As you know, that band has grieviously suffered after angering Putin’s government. Neverthless their political views are left of Putin’s.

    The singer said her hope had faltered with the decline of Occupy Wall Street, but after watching and meeting Sanders, her hope is revived. He is bringing the concepts of Occupy into main stream politics where it will have an improved chance of gaining acceptance. “Bernie Sanders is an inspiration.”

  93. Weasle alert!

    “And we go now to Bernie Sanders, who is in Saint Louis this morning.

    Good morning, Senator. Donald Trump says he might start sending protesters to your rallies.

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, you know, Donald Trump has been an incredibly divisive figure. Day after day, his rhetoric is inciting violence.

    We have seen videos of some of his supporters responding to that rhetoric by kicking people, by sucker-punching them. We have seen recently charges leveled against his own campaign manager for assaulting a female reporter.

    So, there’s a lot of this feelings about violence coming from Trump’s campaign. And I very much hope that he understands that, in a democracy, people should be allowed to go to anybody’s rally, peacefully demonstrate without fear of being beaten up. So, I really hope he tones it down.

    This is not good for the country.

    DICKERSON: Do you encourage some of your protesters — some of the protesters at the — some of your supporters, I should say, are going to these rallies. Would you encourage them to keep doing that?

    SANDERS: No, not to disrupt rallies. And Trump, look, I don’t — I won’t shock you, John, by telling that you Donald Trump lies a whole lot. He calls me a communist. That’s a lie. To suggest that our campaign is telling people to disrupt his campaign is a lie. We don’t.”

  94. Obviously I don’t agree. Bernie’s initial response was insufficient but on Face the Nation and tonight’s Town Hall he struck the right tone.

    Donald, on the other hand, is considering footing the legal bills of a man who sucker punched a perfect stranger without provocation.

  95. Oh hell. Bernie is SDS. The economic illiterate thrives on protest and envy. It’s all he knows. Of course with a wink and a nod he denies the charges of inciting violence.

    But Sanders is transparently culpable – clearly a disciple of Alinsky. Bernie Sanders is an asshole and thug in drag.

  96. Bernie sold out to thugs and $oros.

    You think MoveOn.org doesnt bail out their hired guns and foot their legal expenses?

  97. That may be the only thing I find appealing about Donald Trump. If Sanders wants to play hardball, Trump is willing to play hardball.

    Other Republican candidates could learn a thing or two about how to confront the Left’s bullying and the media’s propaganda. These demons only understand a fist or a bigger gun – AIMED AT THEM.

    When these media types start with the bullshit, don’t go after Bernie. Go after them, investigate, drag them through the muck, mock them, make it personal as hell. Few of them have lived clean. Ruin their reputations.

  98. Bernie was led by the nose by a complicit CBS and even then only managed to weasel.

    MoveOn tried to get UIC to cancel the event. Fact.

  99. People on the left claim that Trump deserves what happened the other night. And maybe he does, to some extent.

    But actions have reactions. And now the left will deserve what happens next.

    That’s how these cycles always start. And they rarely end well.

  100. The left also needs to remember that even if Trump eventually goes away, those that supported him will not. Nor will the reasons they supported him.

    The anger that people are feeling is bigger than Donald Trump. He is harnessing it, but he didn’t create it, nor can he control it.

    Call it good or call it bad, Trump gives them an outlet and a focus for it. If he is out of the picture, it may get even worse.

    That’s why I said what I said the other day.

  101. “The anger that people are feeling is bigger than Donald Trump. He is harnessing it, but he didn’t create it, nor can he control it.”

    Very well said.

    I don’t think Rutherford understands this.

  102. It is good that Sanders finally said he disapproved of violent protests, but the fact remains that an organized mob denied a large number of people their rights of free speech. The organizers were apparently Muslim student groups with moveon helping later. Most support Bernie Sanders.

    By the standards used against conservatives, this warrants a Justice Department investigation. A man in Norfolk, Nebraska put a joke Obama voter out house in a parade, and Justice Department officials traveled to Norfolk to investigate.This is a little worse. We know the double standard will not give us a comparable investigation. This obvious double standard is just one small source of the growing anger and alienation Huck noted in what used to be our country.

    The Russian singer who calls Sanders an inspiration because he is bringing Occupy Wall Street into mainstream politics correctly identified our society’s evolution into something it once wasn’t.

    Sami singer Sofia Jannok calls our ideologues and Obama’s government a foreign occupying regime. It is good that she is not an American. She is smarter and more vocal than Trump, and she can inflame emotions with her music.. Right wing anger is growing in Europe and threatens politicians like Merkle. The last two elections have shown similar anger in the US..

    I agree with Huck. The storm is already here..

  103. “Donald, on the other hand, is considering footing the legal bills of a man who sucker punched a perfect stranger without provocation.” – R

    A perfect stranger without provocation?

    I have no idea if the guy was perfect and I doubt there was no provocation.

    The important part is “A”. When I turn on the TV and see hundreds of Bernie thugs… HUNDREDS… Maybe thousands….. the complaints about one old man kicking out some asshole disrupting is pretty meaningle.

    The left has been bullying with mass violence for years. They air brush pictures, lie about attempted cop killers, all to whip up a riot. They physically remove journalists from college “safe spaces” and “burn this bitch down”.
    They use the IRS as a weapon, threaten to permanently shut down talk radio.

    I think what scares Rutherford is Trump represents a swath of this country that will fight back against the violent left. He was warned over and over again there will be a breaking point to his fascism.

  104. I’m not saying this guy should have been jabbed, but without provocation? Walking out, after disrupting Trump’s rally, flipping the crowd off? You’re never honest, Rutherford.

    I hope 400 Trump protesters show up and make a Bernie rally a circus. See if Rutherford calls them “perfect”.

  105. “I think what scares Rutherford is Trump represents a swath of this country that will fight back against the violent left.”

    I think what scares Rutherford the most is that the left will be treated in the same way it treated the right since 2008. Lefties believe that they occupy the catbird seat. Every insult hurled and affront taken has been exacted by the left ten-fold up to this point and they scratch their heads in disbelief that they’re unable to contain the reaction with more of what’s causing it.

    Enjoy your beds.

  106. “Walking out, after disrupting Trump’s rally, flipping the crowd off? You’re never honest, Rutherford.”

    Shit. He doesn’t know how to size any of this shit up. MSNBC tells him how to approach it. Rutherford thought the Tea Party rallies were violent and threatening.

    The dude that threw the punch sure looks like a real piece of shit to me. But damn. That guy flipping everyone off, no doubt calling names on the way, ain’t half as tough or beat down as a Yankee fan flipping off the fans at Fenway Park, which I have witnessed. It didn’t end well.

  107. Ha ha. I remember one opening day (which is like New Year’s Eve and St Patty’s Day rolled into one afternoon of debauchery in Detroit) this moron dressed in Cleveland Indian gear taunted the crowd the entire game.

    On the way to my secret parking spot, I found him bloody and crying, his nose obliterated.

    That’s right. The Tea Party rallies were violent and angry. Hanging people, actually.

    CNN has been talking Trump for an hour straight. Interviewing disrupters and asking them if they are afraid.

  108. I think the Poolman jabbed that disrupter. Poolman is part of the conspiracy and it’s time you sheeple wake up.

    The norovirus ripped through my son’s wrestling team and now I am home puking my guts out. However, I think it maybe Rutherford’s brainwashed silliness and not sick belly virus.

  109. “But damn. That guy flipping everyone off, no doubt calling names on the way”

    What? He’s a “perfect” stranger.

  110. Does Ted Cruz ever talk like a normal human? His speech pattern/ rythmn, even in one on one interviews, is as if he’s addressing a jury or giving a speech to 100,000 people.

    A shallow piece of needling…. But damn…. You got to be able to connect with the mob on at least some level, if you want to be president.

  111. “Does Ted Cruz ever talk like a normal human? His speech pattern/ rythmn, even in one on one interviews, is as if he’s addressing a jury or giving a speech to 100,000 people.”

    Uh, no, you don;pt address a jury like that either. The inauthenticity of the cadence and meter is really off-putting.

    But there again, Rutherford will be voting for that bastion of charisma, the puke-worthy Felonious Rotten Clinton:

  112. CNN has been talking Trump for an hour straight. Interviewing disrupters and asking them if they are afraid.
    Interviewing disruptersand asking if they’re afraid??? That is classic whore journalism that implies the disrupters are in the right,engaged in a noble cause. That is fucked up!

  113. Main stream media is all whore journalism. It is there to divide and control. Intended to elevate and promote controversy. Disrupters are an integral part of the political landscape. All sides use this tact. It isn’t new, but used often as it still works quite effectively.

    As for the Hillary clip…

    Satan quotes the scriptures and knows them better than most. That is what comes to mind when these soulless psychopaths start speaking in biblical terms. It’s not easy wielding a double edged sword, when the cut goes both ways. It will eventually be summed and separated.

    “Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit”

  114. Too many of these Sanders’ anarchists think folks on the Right are just blowing smoke. They are counting on Republican wish for civility to cave again – disciples of Alinsky, whether they know it or not. The fascists perceive no reaction as cowardice. They feed off it. So does their media.

    Republican white bread are pussies and pushing them around works. Worked this way for 40 years. The media invoking this chit with their mendacity and propaganda has never really had the force turned on them either, so to speak.

    So how do you deal with predators? You don’t sit around and fret about it. That only empowers these punks. Sooner or later, if you don’t join the fight it is your turn.

    One thing I learned a long time ago. Most bullies don’t react well to being bullied. And if humiliated and punished severely only once, you generally don’t have any more problems because most bullying thugs are cowards at heart. Got to bloody their nose, so to speak.

    People might be surprised who hates these Leftist bastards with every fiber of their being. It’s not just a bunch of old, white, Conservative men in business suits and young Republicans in a button down. Biker gangs, for one; most ex-military for another and National Guard; damn near everybody that hunts that I know. Cops are becoming no friends of these POS either.

    Just saying…

  115. @ Rutherford I couldn’t help but notice on your Twitter feed that you seem a little misinformed regards NYC college history. You swore you learned your lesson on Obama but you’ve apparently only transferred that illness to Sanders.

  116. Wow…. I didn’t realize how in the bag Rutherford is for Bernie until I checked out his twitter.

    Plus… His tweets are getting more attention now too, becuase of it.

    Poor Rutherford… Just wants to be a part of a team.

  117. This political season has been surreal. It’s going to be weird come the fall of a Presidential election season and be completely tuned out in the likely event it comes down to a race between Trump and Clinton. SDS Sanders would be even worse as candidate, but fortunately come about July, Mr. Weather Underground is toast.

    I’m making a plan to make myself so busy, I don’t have time for the internet stink. Probably get my political news here.

    I’ve had FOX off for the better part of two weeks now but skipped by it last night while laying in bed. The repugnant Chris Wallace was interviewing somebody and I never made it to who the interviewee was as I pushed the down channel as fast I do when Obama comes on the screen.

    There is something pretty healthy about turning apolitical and focusing on college basketball. Strange that you can feel more empowered not voting than voting. 😈

  118. I’m not saying this guy should have been jabbed, but without provocation? Walking out, after disrupting Trump’s rally, flipping the crowd off? You’re never honest, Rutherford.
    I hope 400 Trump protesters show up and make a Bernie rally a circus. See if Rutherford calls them “perfect”

    Who’s Balki now? Do you speak English? “Perfect stranger” has nothing to do with being perfect, doofus. It’s a figure of speech equivalent to “total stranger”.

    The dude who flipped the bird was already being escorted out of the venue by security when Grandpa Knockout hit him in the face. Media reports differ on whether the punch landed or whether his elbow made contact.

    No one deputized this codger to do shit. If he wanted to cheer as the guy got ejected, amen to that. But he got up, walked through his row (he wasn’t even in the aisle seat) and hit the guy.

    Some of you just can’t leave well enough alone … gotta justify the unjustifiable.

  119. Alfie, neither of my parents paid for their bachelors in NYC. And they didn’t go on scholarship either. It was the 1950’s and yes there were 4 year schools (I assume public) that did not charge tuition.

  120. Maybe that middle finger made the old guy feel unsafe and he felt the need to defend himself.

    If words can cause people to literally fear violence and require safe zones, then why can’t symbols?

    It all seems very stupid when the tables get turned, doesn’t it?

  121. Trust me when I say the following:
    Your parents and many others especially in the span from 1935-1965 got a great education on the free.
    Those same people absolutely earned their right to be in an institute of higher learning.
    The post WWII era saw a boom in back to schoolers with a number unable to secure entry into the CUNY system. These folks often found their way into the new “community college” system which WAS NOT FREE. It can also be added here that although CUNY had its roots within the noble rite of accepting parties widely discriminated most notably first females then Jews,at its zenith he was overwhelmingly white.
    The worm turned as the 1970’s dawned and open access was implemented. By 1976 free tuition was gone for ALL and the CUNY system had become a greatly diminished institution. The costs incurred secondary to open admissions and quality drop dovetailed with funding chaos and the near bankruptcy of NYC itself. This funding trident is key for understanding TODAYS college costs dilemma.
    So to my greater point that was my earlier comment & observation on your tweets and following.
    NYC is only an example of free college education IF you have high standards with strict admissions policy and you only offer a quality curriculum. One must also work to attract and retain talented academics to work for you but that is far from unique.

  122. LOL Huck you got me there. Maybe Grandpa was in need of a safe zone? Maybe homie used a “trigger word”.

    We are so screwed. Some here think I don’t get it. I fully get it. But some folks here better get a grip. If you can’t control the mass anger then don’t step up to channel it. Trump needs to go but his ego won’t let him.

    I’m actually toying with the idea that in this imperfect world, even Cruz may be a port in the storm.

  123. The truth is, if the protesters were holding peaceful protests outside his venues, there would be no violence.

  124. some corrections secondary to my own not free education lol
    it was overwhelmingly white-not he.
    was by then implemented…
    Really need to review before posting.

  125. The concerns over Trump only really matter if you believe him to be part of a movement that will have a mandate. (hint He Ain’t)
    What it really comes down to is who you would rather see engaged by the next Congress. a) President Trump or b) President Clinton.
    I cry for the country but I gotta go with a)

  126. Thanks Alfie for the clarification. I’m inferring that you are saying what worked in the 50’s cannot work today for a number of reasons.

    Quite frankly that is why I am skeptical of John Kasich. Much of what he takes credit for was over 30 friggin years ago. This ain’t your father’s USA.

    P.S. I doubt most of those dismissing Bernie’s free public college idea have done your research and my Twitter comment to them stands. It happened. Can it happen again? Only Bernie and a willing Congress/citizenry can tell.

  127. We are back with our grand daughter. On the way down we heard Rush say a St Louis paper wrote that Trump canceled his rally because his followers were violent.

    Alf and I have both described Trump as an aboration. His victory wouldn’t institutionalize to the degree that Hillary’s would.

    It is also possible polled voters are lying.

    Yes, Cruz may be a port in the storm.

  128. “I doubt most of those dismissing Bernie’s free public college idea have done your research and my Twitter comment to them stands.”

    Please direct us to your research.

  129. Trump is going to prove to be like Clinton and Obama, assuming Trump even wins.

    While the Clintons have thrived and enriched themselves, those party to them find their reputations irreparably tarnished, many in ruins.

    Every public official, candidate and otherwise choosing to affiliated themselves with Trump, will find themselves ruing the day they decided to join themselves to Trump.

    Breitbart, Drudge, FOX News, Palin, Christie, Sessions, and now Carson. Their days of being respected are numbered, if not already over.

    What short-lived kudos they may have received will end ugly. Real ugly.

  130. Tigre, notwithstanding Alfie’s commrnt, what I tweeted was fact. The research is knowing two goddam flesh and blood people who received said free education sans scholarship or GI Bill. Research done, asshole.

    Alfie’s research on the topic speaks to why it might not be plausible today. It does not refute that there was a time when it was happening.

    Regardless of what you think of our public school system I don’t see it as impossible to extend public education from 12 years to 16. I allow for the possibility I could be wrong.

  131. I don’t what tweet you’re referring to, asshole.

    But I do know this, asshole. You said “I doubt most of those dismissing Bernie’s free public college idea have done your research and my Twitter comment to them stands.”

    No research from you that in any way shows that “Bernie’s free public college idea works,” right asshole?

    I actually thought you had something to refer to, asshole. I should’ve known better. The words “research” and “Rutherford” are completely divorced from one another.

    Of course, you do allow for the possibility you could be wrong, so I guess that makes the asshole right.

    Quite a smackdown. Just like that lesson you gave me in mathematics.

  132. “There is something about Rutherford that is appealing. Rabbit’s favorite is the emo fascist.
    Mine is Rutherford’s complete devotion to subjects he knows nothing about.”

    I think Tex’s favorite is mine too.

  133. “The research is knowing two goddam flesh and blood people who received said free education sans scholarship or GI Bill. Research done, asshole.”

    Lol. His “research” was the anecdotal and ridiculously circumstantial example of his Mommy and Daddy in the 1950s.

    Vetted, bitches.

    Hardcore “research” bro. I don’t blame you for calling us out for not doing our homework when you’ve been hitting the books like that, you hardcore policy wonk.

    I use anecdotal bull shit all the time. I don’t refer to it as “research” .

    Rutherford, you have a face for radi… Err… Twitter. You fit right in with two sentence, banal feel the bern circle jerk over there.

  134. “Quite frankly that is why I am skeptical of John Kasich. Much of what he takes credit for was over 30 friggin years ago. This ain’t your father’s USA.”

    And it’s not your father’s, either. Which means, with that simple comment, you’ve refuted your own research.

    The university system is grossly over-bloated with administration on the 1 hand, and classes filled with students who should not be there on the other. If people want tuition to be affordable again, both hands must be washed clean.

  135. Shouldn’t a voter do as much research of candidates as he/she does before buying a used car? That doesn’t seem to be happening often enough these days.

  136. I don’t what tweet you’re referring to, asshole.

    So you piped in on an exchange between me and Alfie, not knowing WTF we were even talking about. Do your research before piping in.

  137. Yeah Rabbit anecdotal and circumstantial. Tell that to all my parents classmates who also got a free college education. Very very rare and circumstantial.

    Let me make this simple so you and your better educated Center Square can understand. I stated a fact: folks could get a free college education in NYC in the 1950’s. I made this comment to folks on Twitter who seemed to think this idea was science fiction. I said this to folks who didn’t have Alfie’s basis for arguing the matter.

    I stated fact because I knew people who lived that fact. No research needed.

    Huck and Alfie doubt it could happen today and I’m willing to hear them out because they’re also presenting facts. As opposed to you and Center Square who pull insults out of your ass.

    You used to write smart shit here. You’re slipping. Leave the empty snark to Center Square and up your game.

  138. The university system is grossly over-bloated with administration on the 1 hand, and classes filled with students who should not be there on the other. If people want tuition to be affordable again, both hands must be washed clean.”

    You said it!

  139. The problem with research is finding honest sources. Many of these candidates have invested heavily in misinformation. The better they are connected, the less dirt is left open to find. The public doesn’t have the same ability to focus one any one objective like many of these selecteds do.

    I just picked over 2 pounds of strawberries from mrs poolman’s garden. Well, at least I started with over 2 pounds worth. 🙂 She gave away over 50 plants this season, as they were taking over the whole east end of the garden!

    I found this guy’s stuff interesting and funny…

    https://thecontraryfarmer.wordpress.com/

  140. Holy fuck. The emotional child rears his head.

    Let’s reexamine the exchange. . . .

    “I doubt most of those dismissing Bernie’s free public college idea have done your research and my Twitter comment to them stands.” -Rutherford the Emotional Child

    “Please direct us to your research.” -Tigre The Understander of the Term “Research”

    This was your comment. Here, dumbfuck. Alfie’s comments on full display.

    How about this?

    “Alfie, neither of my parents paid for their bachelors in NYC. And they didn’t go on scholarship either. It was the 1950’s and yes there were 4 year schools (I assume public) that did not charge tuition.”

    Let me go dig into your twitter comment to see what was really said now. I wouldn’t want to pipe into a conversation on a blog. It must be something different than what you said. I’ll go “research” it. You wouldn’t spout off about the viability of Bernie’s freebies without doing your “research” so I’ll be sure to examine the source which I now know was something different and well “researched.” No one would be dumb enough to point to a system that coudn’t be afforded as proof that can be.

    Hopefully I’ll get a good vantage point, take photos, and be sure I get the time frame ’cause we’re after the TRUTH!! Wish me luck. . .

  141. This all Center Square could find:

    I see one response. But I know I’m missing something because, you know, “[you] made this comment to folks on Twitter who seemed to think this idea was science fiction. I said this to folks who didn’t have Alfie’s basis for arguing the matter.” There’s got to be more because I don’t see “people” saying anything close to what you claim they have. And it should be there because my question would then be appropriate. But there again, Center Square’s research isn’t as good as yours. Let’s see what I can find. . .

  142. Love Trumps Hate and puppymonkey punks RutherfordL. Woo! Can you get that foot removed from your ass?

    Man Rutherford, speaking of slipping. You just got your ass handed to you in less 140 characters from what appears to be a young girl.

    Give Rutherford another participation trophy and call it a draw. 😈

  143. Well DR, we know Rutherford wouldn’t just accept what Bernie is saying about free college for all without “researching” it. So I’m guessing we need to just concede that his parents’ experience is sufficient proof that what Bernie Sanders said is true because it’s so obvious that if one’s parents got something for free in NY the 1950’s it can be given for free to everyone in the country in 2017.

    Feel the Bern!!!

  144. I’ve done my research on Donald Trump. He has no qualifications that would allow him to be president of any nation. He barely rates human and seriously closer to pig. Anyone that would help land him in the white house is a traitor to what this nation stands for. But Hillary! is not an acceptable excuse.

    The GOP is the party of the blind blonde leading the blind.

  145. If Republicans were smart they’d start calling their political rallies “safe spaces” for their supporters.

    As has long been established, safe spaces aren’t meant to keep someone safe from actual physical violence. They are meant to keep people safe from hearing things they don’t want to hear. Things that might hurt their feelings and make them feel bad.

    The left would be forced the either respect the safe space, or invade it. If they choose the latter, then they would then forfeit any idea that their safe spaces should be respected.

    Play the game by their rules, then force them to either play by their own rules–or change their rules.

    The left forgets that anyone can read and apply Alinsky. Then again, the right forgets that, too.

  146. I agree, Huck, and attack their strong points.

    Betsys Page tells us why Obama also is unfit to be president. Gary Kasparov, who lived under socialism demolishes Sanders. Betsy also links to two men who describe how the Republican convention works, and how Cruz can still win. He better understands than Trump and is already preparing.

    Hillary defended the regime’s Libya policy by noting we didn’t lose a single life. Apparently the wounded and dead at Benghazi were imaginary.

  147. Poolman. Mine is a family of blondes. I was a blond for the first three years of my life.

    I agree, Trump is almost as bad as it gets, but Hillary and Sanders are worse. Is supporting a lessor evil when no alternatives exist treason? What is the alternative? If Hillary is not an acceptable excuse, does it make it all right to support her by denying help to Trump? Wouldn’t that also be an act of treason?

  148. If Hillary is not an acceptable excuse, does it make it all right to support her by denying help to Trump? Wouldn’t that also be an act of treason?

    Interesting question. One I am still mulling around in my mind. I’ve voted with these Trumpettes for years. At least many of them – I think a large contingent frankly are yahoos who don’t know a damn thing about issues or politics. Hope & Change with an ‘R” behind their name. Have said that from the outset.

    Others are a protest vote of some nature. Still others are angry at the Republican Party to send a message. I get the latter. Just not this guy.

    Ted Cruz severely disappointed me last weekend when he didn’t call these anarchists and fascists what they are – fascists. I thought him better than that. But he’s a politician.

    Trump might do a few things that need to be done. We don’t simply need to stop the illegal immigration. We need to severely limit immigration period. Can’t afford it anymore. 99% of Americans are ignoring simple mathematics. This country isn’t just broke. It’s indebted.

    But Trump is a joke. His SCOTUS most likely would be no better than Clinton’s. Trump is unstable, poorly read, shallow, and narcissistic. Like Obama. Trump made his fortune off of trust funds, connections, and taking money from people who are worse at math than he is. This clown has no idea what middle class America is like. He just knows how to exploit them at the slots.

    And many of these Trump devout are equally as vile to my faith as any Media Matters skunk, equally as punkish and cowardly; equally as stupid and dishonest with the propaganda.

    Now why should I support that?

    I may vote writing in my dog’s name for President just to say I voted. Vote for a couple of Republican Senators and Congressman, most of them cowards and worthless, just so they can stop Clinton’s entire gravy train of buying votes. Do not have allegiance to the Rutherford type anymore. None. I don’t care what happens to them anymore. They are not my countrymen. They are assholes who I want to make war with.

    But frankly, I’ve pretty much given up on America and not just its politicians. If it is this collectively stupid, it’s already gone anyway.. Not the idea of what America once represented, but it’s people. Rome is waning.

    I’ll pay my bills and be honest. Try to leave my kids some capital upon my death, feed the dogs, love my wife, take care of my mother and sister.

    Let’s hope our children do it better than we did.

  149. Just letting Hillary run is an act of treason. She has done more to harm Americans than most living persons have opportunity. Sanders is weak and panders. Trump is good friends with the Clintons and has held the same political ideals over the years. They also treat people in the same way. He doesn’t much practice what he preaches.

  150. If Republicans were smart they’d start calling their political rallies “safe spaces” for their supporters.

    You fucked up, Huck. You make sense and in today’s world, that is as liability. You and I know that if Lefties didn’t have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

    It’s like Rutherford’s reasoning that blacks can’t be racist, even when a pack of black animals are beating a former white marine damn near to death while eating his hamburger, because these poor, poor misunderstood young aggrieved don’t have power, or something like that.

    I am guaranteeing that these fascists are not going to stop until some of them are dragged to the morgue. They’re instinct, they’re animals, they think like pack animals, and should be treated like vicious pack animals.

    Unless these cowardly politicians are willing to go to the mats, it’s downhill from here on out.

  151. I will be writing in Vermin Love Supreme on my ballot. I considered not voting at all, but I’ve decided they will get my protest vote. At least that is where I stand now. The landscape could change much before November.

  152. “Is supporting a lessor evil when no alternatives exist treason?”

    It’s tough. This Trump guy has the potential to be more dangerous then Clinton becuase of his mob. At least Obama’s mob was of a hero worshipping sort full of an optimism that was in the territory of gross negligence. Trump has an angry mob and an angry mob that rightfully believes its under a violent attack from the left. Dangerous.

    Hillary is no populist. A disgusting criminal with luke warm support at best.

    There is a chance Tex could be wrong about Trump. There is no chance any of us is wrong about Hillary.

    A Hillary victory is a garunteed erosion of rule of law. A Trump victory a probable one.

    Throw in the fact I will emotionally enjoy Trump’s trolling of Hillary and Obama…. I have to vote Trump.

  153. Rabbit, James, and Alfie are rubbing the Donnads in the faint hope a benevolent genie will emerge from that empty suit. It truly is a sad, sad state of affairs.

  154. There is a chance Tex could be wrong about Trump. There is no chance any of us is wrong about Hillary.

    Very true. But I’m also equally sure that there are a few things can actually be worse than Hillary Clinton.

    A strong man with the power of a mob, for instance. There is something about Trump I do not trust. He’s got the air of a fascist. I think he’s got the capability to be evil. I don’t think he is what he wants you to believe.

    Call it intuition, if you will. I find Trump unstable. I don’t think he understands the role of limited government. I believe Trump would find the Constitution malleable, molding it to fit his whims. And the power of a military can be used for dreadful means as history has demonstrated again and again.

    Even then, if every Trump supporter were as mannerly and rational as you, DR, I would bring myself to vote for the insufferable narcissist just to attempt to stop Hillary. Because we could stop a fascist. I don’t need to prove to y’all how much I detest that entire Clinton family and have before Bill Clinton ever became President. I was Slick’s neighbor while he was Gov. of Arkansas. I know the entire sordid history of the Clinton Klan better than most.

    But I’m even more bothered by the majority of Trump supporters. You’re not representative of the clique, Rabbit. These people don’t reason together. This is a Cult of Personality once again – a blank slate driven by platitudes and cliche, and angry as hell. I think they could be as easily led as these Feel the Bern rubes. And they’re armed to the teeth. That’s a powder keg. That’s Waco on steroids.

    And therein lies the real issue. It’s not just Trump. It’s his misled mob that is giving me the most pause.

  155. Which mob is worse? more dangerous? less reasonable? more powerful? less media-vetted (possibly the gravest concern of all)? more fame-whores? less conscience? more easily and cheaply bought?

    I know what I think.

    I wish I had early voted. Until recently it was a moderate quandary but easy conscience either way toss up between Cruz and Kasich. Initially it was a 3 way option w/ Rubio in there but taking the galactically stupid advice to mock Trump and attempt to rebrand him was much too asinine for me.

    Now? I really have no idea.

  156. Call it intuition, if you will. I find Trump unstable.

    You need intuition for that? The man delivers rambling stream of consciousness stump “speeches” devoid of any content domestic or FP. He changes his mind on a weekly basis. If he’s not unstable, he’s a child which is just as bad.

    I may have to leave James to mount the suicide mission on his own. I don’t think I can vote for Trump. I greatly enjoyed his show and stopped watching it when he came dangerously close to extorting the President of the United States.

    The notion he merits serious discussion on this board is a travesty. He is a carnival barker and huckster. He is Sarah Palin minus the minimal political track record.

    I will likely write-in or vote for some obscure third party candidate.

    I honestly don’t understand Tex’s problem with Trump. Trump channels Tex’s deep seated anger and resentment more than any candidate I’ve ever seen. The two are made for each other. Trump would delight in seeing Tex crack open some liberal heads.

  157. He changes his mind on a weekly basis. If he’s not unstable, he’s a child which is just as bad.

    Weekly basis? Trump is the only man I’ve ever seen that can change his mind in mid sentence. What’s more frightening, he can do it in front of cheering mobs.

    I’ll tell you something else. Poolman is damn straight about Trump and mob connections. This Roger Stone henchman working with Trump? He’s a former Nixon hatchet man, the Sid Blumenthal and David Axelrod of Repubican politic. Stone is dirty as hell. And you don’t operate in the casino business without associating without trolling with the mob.

    But you thinking Trump channels Tex better than any candidate demonstrates how little you really understand of me and why I disdained Obama to begin with. Unlike you, I recognized Obama was an empty suit, bad news, and a megalomaniac phony who was damn serious about radically transforming the country. Obama was raised by red diaper babies.

    There’s a lot of people who loathe Trump and want to crack the skulls of Feel the Bern rubes and brainless Black separatists. Some of them are voting for Hillary. 😈

    Then Obama has the unmitigated gall to tell the nation today he is “deeply stressed” about the violent rhetoric accompanying this campaign. What a sadistic prick. Obama is up to his ass creating division and racial strife. That stinking turd is front and center in today’s political environment, a 60 ft monument to the balkanization.

    Throw in the gross incompetence of the Republican Congress, this war has been brewing predating Obama. But Obama fomented the hatred purposely, even capitalized on it. Obama is a filthy SOB.

  158. Be kind of poetic justice if Slick just happened to succumb to death due to advance syphilitic sepsis, or something. 😈

    Bill’s incredibly healthy libido was about all we share – besides I thought Gennifer Flowers was good looking.

  159. Flowers may have been good looking, but generally Bill liked the ugly ones. Judging by your wife’s good looks, I’m guessing your libido isn’t quite that “healthy.” 😆

  160. Tigre what IS your problem? You want Kasich or Trump? If you say Trump, you’re a fool.

    The only one with a right to be pissed tonight is me. With Ohio lost by a fucking landslide (last time I looked) Sanders is done. Turn him over.

    Clinton will be the fucking Dem nominee.

  161. Every American has a right to be pissed. The cream is not rising to the top, because there never was any cream.

    Our choices are garbage

  162. Clinton will be the fucking Dem nominee.

    Look at the bright side. Hillary Rotten could be indicted.

    Unfortunately, you’ll get screwed twice when Obama puts one of his pets in there. 😈

  163. Here’s another bright side, Rutherford.

    In the event Trump or Clinton should win the Presidency, for the first time in our personal history, we can savage a sitting President together. 😛

  164. As usual Tigre you lost me. Trump looks like he’s gonna win 4 of 5 (5 of 6 if you count Marianis). Did you want Trump to sweep? Thanks to Kasich it will probably be a brokered convention and the party elites will tell Trump to go to hell.

    Here’s an outcome I could live with. In Cleveland they all go for Paul Ryan.

    P.S. On Bloomberg tonight I watched this dude spell out just how many “rules” could be employed to kill Trump at the convention. If Donald doesn’t have a majority going in, he’s toast.

  165. Well, I look at Missouri that appears to be winner takes all (41.7% v 41.1%). Had Kasich and Rubio not been on the ballot, what would’ve happened in your opinion?

    Illinois, also winner takes all (39.1% v. 29.7% with KAsich at 20.2 and Rubio 8.7%)?

    (76 total at stake — all going to Trump)

    Ohio? I dunno what would’ve happened. What doe MSNBC tell you?

  166. At least now I think I understand you. You’re using the logic that Kasich’s votes go to Cruz if he gets out. I’m not so sure.

    Once you have a two person race, it’s between an outsider (Trump) and a fake outsider (Cruz). I suspect our crazed electorate will reject the fake.

  167. Rutherford, can you seriously imagine that a person who would support Rubio or Kasich would support Donald Trump?

    I think it’s more plausible that they would just not vote.

  168. If they don’t vote, that’s still a vote for Trump.

    Isn’t that a lost Trump vote? I’ve got a bunch of people on Facebook accusing me in the vilest of names of being a Hillary lover, a Liberal, an Obamatard, a GOPe because I don’t support Donald Trump.

    I thought the stupid people were only on the Left. I’ve changed my mind.

    I may have to get one of you guys to vouch for me. 😈

  169. I am on board with Huck’s conclusion.

    Are these Trump people really so convinced they can besmirch the character of 65% of Republicans for a year in something comparable to Media Matters, and then magically think all is going to be forgotten and the magic of ‘The Donald’ will somehow unite the party?

    I haven’t heard anything that ludicrous since Obama attempted to pronounce CORPSEMAN and promised to halve the deficit.

    These Trumplodytes better be able to bring in about 20M new votes.

    Make a prediction for what it’s worth.

    If it’s Rotten vs. Chump, there won’t be the high turnout they predict. It’s far more likely voter turnout will be severely depressed, unless there is a 3rd party candidate which would just be a protest vote.

    If the Republican Party truly wanted to make an example of Trump, and if they were smart and they aren’t, they would simply let Trump carry the Republican mantle into the election and watch him get slaughtered by perhaps the lamest candidate ever to hit the national stage.

  170. “If they don’t vote, that’s still a vote for Trump.”

    But that’s not what you’ve been contending.

    Cruz might be outside of the mainstream as far as the insiders in Washington are concerned, but to Joe Voter, he’s still a senator. And anyone who was going to go with Rubio or Kasich will take a sitting senator over a reality show host any day of the week.

  171. R, look at the numbers. They don’t all have to turn out nor necessarily vote Cruz to tip the numbers. Repeating “they don’t all vote for Trump” doesn’t defeat my point no matter how much MSNBC and you repeat it. You’re a math degree from Harvard. Why don’t you play with the numbers with reasonable assumptions about where the votes would land or not occur?

  172. I have no faint hope that a genie will produce something good in Trump. I am choosing the instrument of my suicide, and I will be able to look at my reflection in the mirror after this sordid event evolves.

  173. Rutherford you’re no more or less a victim of the plurality issue. In your case some of those elections were pretty close. I’ll let you be a little more pissed on the mote that blacks screwed your guy but good.
    Obama SCOTUS pick probably the worse out of the 3 seriously considered.
    You want to know the guy with “Im pissed rights” @ gold level? Ted Cruz
    Rubio and Kasich should probably not count on Christmas cards from Texas 😀

  174. I am choosing the instrument of my suicide, and I will be able to look at my reflection in the mirror after this sordid event evolves.

    Well said. I haven’t chosen my method of jihad yet. There are so many to choose from and I only get to do it once.

    I regret that only have one life to give, or something like that. 😈

  175. I’ll let you be a little more pissed on the mote that blacks screwed your guy but good.

    There is a bit of irony to that, I might add. LOL

    No more so than a bunch of so called “Evangelical” Christians hopping on the Trump Train to hell. Rutherford and I have once again by the hand of fate been tossed into the same titty ringer.

  176. Someone on Bloomberg said with the Kasich Ohio win, Trump now has to get 65% of the remaining delegates to hit the magic number which is unlikely to happen.

    That means a brokered convention. So it comes down to this. Will the establishment have the balls to steal it from him?

  177. The assessment of Garland by Bloomberg TV is that he’s a moderate favored by Chief Justice Roberts. I believe he prosecuted McVeigh. I even think I heard him called a Constitutionalist.

    So Alfie, what’s your beef?

  178. A person that has left views and some right leans is not a centrist. This is a misnomer,a misappropriation of the true meaning of the word. Garland is not a centrist and will prove to be a thoughtful but overly agenda driven ideologue on the Court. Personally I view his standing to be decidedly leftist in that he “appreciates” the need for power to be held by the government,not necessarily the governed.. ergo he is by no means a jurist of Scalias standing.

    The two biggest strikes Garland holds in my book is his involvement in the case of Uighurs captured in Afghanistan and imprisoned at Gitmo.The irony of his position on that one shows a level of inconsistency given other supportive positions he held on habeas corpus cases & Gitmo.It is a point progressives shriek about.
    There is also an EPA ruling that he supported which was squashed by the Supremes who saw the truth of the law. Sadly since America is not a land of rule of law,the EPA order is actually still in place even though it is illegal.

    His past credentials kind of mean little since the cases he’s allegedly hard on are not really SCOTUS material and if they were somehow applicable in fact are kind of scary given some of todays headlines. For example could his prosecutorial leanings/zeal actually see him support the freedom crushing crusade against Apple?
    His dissent against Heller is also worrisome.

    Hope that answers your question.

  179. Thanks for the reply. I guess the only thing that still puzzles me is what alternative universe you were living in that you thought Obama would appoint another Scalia or even close.

    By that yardstick, Obama could never have satisfied you.

  180. What I find amusing is Obama saying he appointed someone that would make it tough for Republicans to defend politicizing it–which is, in itself, politicizing it. It suggests his selection was based, at least in part, on politics and not merit. It suggests that even he thinks there might have been someone better, even by liberal standards.

    So again, Obama will disappoint liberals in order to politicize an issue. THAT will be his legacy.

  181. Might not be the deepest thing out, but it’s interesting hearing non conservative foreign policy enthusiasts aghast over Obama’s FP.

  182. Last night, KETV Ch 7 in Omaha ran a story about the new Supreme Court nominee and his Heartland Connections. It enraged me because the story might as well have been dictated from the White House. He is no moderate, as his record shows. For one thing, he abstained when the EPA wanted to sue farmers for creating too much haze during planting and harvest seasons. The news story was a blatant lie.

    I mentioned the illegal who killed a woman while he was drunk and street racing. Bail was set low enough that he got out and is probably back home now. Immigration authorities have changed their stories several times. One is that they couldn’t do anything at first because the injured woman was still alive in the hospital. Neb Senator Ben Sass said at the very least this death and outcome is the result of incompatence. It is also a result of Obama’s executive order.

    Betsy’s page links to documents and asks “why doesn’t Obama like Flint, Mich?”

    Our son is here now, and our grand daughter loves being with him. Otherwise, I might be dreaming the whole lot of them was burning in that truck. That includes Trump.

  183. Hard to believe Obama actually still thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. LOL Utterly deluded and everybody has failed him. Petulant and churlish. This man is not only arrogant. He’s juvenile.

    But I disagree that Obama has severed all his relationships. He’s still tight with ESPN, especially picking the tournament bracket. 😛

    The SOB really screwed me this year. He picked my team to win. Almost guaranteed they lose now, 1st round.

  184. So I won last year. Posted my bracket again this year and by total happenstance chose the same damn team (Duke) to win. That means I’m screwed. Odds are against their winning two years in a row. Glad I don’t have money riding on it.

  185. Where were all of these #DoYourJob hashtags when Obama was ordering his immigration officials to not enforce the law?

  186. I have no doubt that Judge Garland has the training and qualifications necessary to serve. He’s an intelligent man and an accomplished jurist. And there’s no indication he’s not a man of great character.
    There’s been a lot of discussion in the country about how the Senate should approach this confirmation process. There are some who believe that the President, having won the election, should have the complete authority to appoint his nominee, and the Senate should only examine whether or not the Justice is intellectually capable and an all-around nice guy. That once you get beyond intellect and personal character, there should be no further question whether the judge should be confirmed.
    I disagree with this view. I believe firmly that the Constitution calls for the Senate to advise and consent. I believe that it calls for meaningful advice and consent that includes an examination of a judge’s philosophy, ideology, and record. And when I examine the philosophy, ideology, and record of Merrick Garland, I’m deeply troubled.

    Wow the Republican Senator that said that is an asshole huh?
    Oh wait a minute…replace Merrick Garland with Samuel Alito and the quote is actually from Senator Barack Obama circa January 2006.
    The Lefts hypocrisy on every aspect of the current SCOTUS debate is absolutely un-FUCKING- believable !!!!!!!!

  187. Alfie that was a load of shit not worthy of your usual quality.

    OF COURSE the Senate has every right to examine Garland’s record and reject him. There is no disputing that.

    The question at hand is should the Senate ignore the appointment? Huck more rightly states the Senate gets to set its own agenda. If that were your stance I’d agree with you. If you want to quote Biden from yesteryear, I’ll go for that.

    But your Obama quote has NOTHING to do with the current situation.

  188. Rutherford my point is that there is a wall of hypocrisy from your side made of individual bricks and Obamas is just another brick in the wall.
    Transcend a little will ya!?

  189. McConnell called Garland and told him “no-go”, waiting on the new president. He didn’t address Garland’s judicial record nor has any other GOP Senator. When one of them does, you can then throw Obama’s quote in my face. Until then, you’re pointing to the wrong “brick”.

    Orrin Hatch is in a real pickle, having cited Garland by name in the past as a nominee he could vote for.

    Unlike the GOP controlled Senate, you seem willing to judge Garland on the merits. Let me ask you this. Clearly you think he’s no Alito. So would you say he’s more Sotomayor or Kennedy? I get the distinct impression he’s more of a Kennedy.

  190. Heard this notion on my fav bastion of liberal propaganda: If Hillary is elected, will the Senate then jump at the chance to confirm Garland against the prospect of HRC appointing a far left wing judge? And will a bad November for current GOP Senators up the ante on this?

  191. Sotomayor is a fucking moron,shill and agenda whore. Garland is Kagan.
    As for Hillary if the GOP truly cared about the SCOTUS thing they would’ve encouraged the Harriet Myeresque Sandoval chatter.
    As far as me throwing anything into your face I declare foul. I’m not attacking you and to some extent I’m not even attacking Obama. I am wailing at the Wall like some curly sideburn Jew.
    NOTHING about the current SCOTUS brew is as superficial as it is being wrongly presented.
    Rutherford from Obama’s ’06 remarks,Bidens history and don’t EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE BORK THING the Democrats have absolutely zero right and credibility to attack the Republicans current stance. This isn’t about orange to orange my virtual friend. This is about cause and effect,truth and dishonesty and the harsh realities of partisan politics.

  192. I don’t enjoy college sports so sadly the only March Madness I’m getting is the car buying thing. I’m fixing to pull the trigger on a deal $500 under invoice.

  193. Well Alfie I’ll just say every anti-Dem argument can be won if the tit for tat approach is used. Historically everyone lives in an ethical glass house and no one has the right to throw stones.

    While I admit that CNN’s Race for the White House is history-lite, I’m quite enjoying it. In 1960, Kennedy’s people distributed anti-Catholic literature in the hope it would be attributed to Humphrey, which it was. An outraged public rejected Humphrey in Kennedy’s favor.

    Politics has been a sewer for ages.

  194. “AS for November I don’t see any R losing his job except the IL race. If I’m missing a close race somewhere else let me know.”

    The Rs that will lose their job will likely be to other Rs in primaries.

  195. Does anyone here believe in down-ticket impact? Will a Trump candidacy ruin any GOP candidates chances?

    By the way I can tell you in two words why John Kasich will not prevail: Jon Huntsmann. Repubs do not like candidates who sound like Mr. Rogers.

  196. Ohhhh shit. Apparently some dude named Curley Haugland who I think runs the GOP rules committee (or maybe he’s just on it) said that the party chooses the nominee, not the general public. When asked why we have primaries, he responded “good question.”

    Sheeeeut! If Trump reveals the nomination process to be a total scam, there will be war!!!!

  197. “Sheeeeut! If Trump reveals the nomination process to be a total scam, there will be war!!!!”

    I hope he does expose it. We’ve already shed light on how the Democratic party primaries are bullshit, let’s illuminate the GOP’s primary bullshit, too.

    Burn this motherfucker down

  198. “I don’t enjoy college sports”

    Wtf is wrong with you?

    I deserve to be fired every opening tourny Thursday and Friday.

  199. Trump will get hammered in the general. It won’t be close. Best situation in my opinion is to retain the House to stop Clinton in most things, hope to hold the Senate, pray these gutless weasels have learned a lesson over the Trump phenomenon, and over the next four years get rid of the dregs like McConnell.

    Perhaps will get lucky and Clinton gets indicted and throw a “better” schmuck in there like the idiot Biden. He’s so stupid, he wouldn’t know any better.

    The election is over with unless Kasich drops out and even then, it’s probably too late.

    I’m just about to the point where Huck is. Burn it down.

  200. I have watched basketball for nine straight hours, only stopping to eat and pee. I think I strained my right thumb on the remote. I think I’m starting to lose my balance. Get a good night’s sleep and do it all over again tomorrow.

  201. I also don’t watch college sports, and don’t watch basketball of any kind. I went to a couple HS games this year and was completely lost as to what was going on. It was still fun watching the local kids play, though. I think I will stick to that when it comes to basketball.

  202. “He didn’t address Garland’s judicial record nor has any other GOP Senator. When one of them does, you can then throw Obama’s quote in my face. Until then, you’re pointing to the wrong “brick”.”

    Well, of course they have looked at his judicial record. All of them. i assure you, he’s been investigated. A judge’s work is, by its nature on full display. Every member of the senate has multiple memos distilling his background and rulings.

    Kagan and Sotomayor are national embarrassments.

    What do you know about is “record”?

    Why would a conservative embrace it?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  203. Used to love my Celtics. Now, I couldn’t care less about the NBA.

    NCAA tournament with a few bucks on it is terrific. A lot of heart and anything can happen.

  204. Now before we get into word games, I’m not saying conservatives would “embrace” him. They want another Scalia. But I get the impression he is not as far left as Ginsburg or Sotomayor. He’s neither black nor female (Yaaaaay) and he’s too old to be on the court “for a generation”.

    Overall, Obama could have done much “worse”.

  205. I hadn’t thought that Garland was Kagen, but it sounds fine to me. As I wrote yesterday, Garland is not a centrist. (center left at best) His record shows him to be liberal enough to vote with the other liberals. He may have conservative leanings in some areas, but he is liberal where it counts.

    Obama could have done much worse, but he didn’t have to. He wanted someone to call Republicans’ bluff and gain politically by painting Republicans as partisan obstructionists. Obama did this by appointing some one who is not a radical liberal. He expects Republicans to cave as they have done before. Garland looks acceptable by comparison with the other recent leftist appointees. However, he would still vote with the imagined new left majority. Otherwise, Obama would not have appointed him.

  206. I always liked Taurean Prince of Baylor – good kid, great player. This is how every brilliant “sports journalist” should be treated when they ask stupid questions, especially after losing in the NCAA tournament.

  207. Sports journalist as an actual job seems silly. I always crack up at how these interviews always sound the same. We need to try harder, run faster, get serious, work harder, get in shape, etc., etc. How much can you really discuss about sports without repeating the same stupid stuff over and over and over? I’ll waste my time on other things thank you very much.

  208. Michigan got fucked with an offensive foul. Really was a game changer. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
    .. I hatexsports.. Fjfhsjdgjfjejwjwwjwjejdj

  209. So yes, I watched Poolman’s Alex Jones vid.

    1. He mentions this Curly Haugland who I saw quoted on Hardball saying your primary/caucus vote ain’t worth shit. That quote has gone mainstream.
    2. Imagine for a moment that the pushback against Trump has less to do with mysoginy, bigotry and xenophobia and more to do with his dismantling of a global financial cartel designed to keep us poor and powerless while they profit.

    3. I submit to Poolman that if Jones is correct and Trump is a serious threat to the global financial status quo, then Trump is a dead man walking.

    What say you Pools?

  210. From my Facebook feed I’m seeing the Michigan State loss wrecked a lot of brackets. My wife had them winning the whole thing so she’s not happy.

    Three of my Final Four are still alive. I lost Purdue.

    And yes, I’m using the SWAG method of bracket construction just as I did last year.

  211. CLINTON: “It’s such an important question. Thank you for supporting my mom. My mom has very strong feelings that we must push as quickly as possible for comprehensive immigration reform, and this is a real difference between her’s and Senator Sanders’ record, she supported comprehensive immigration reform at every possible chance and she was one of the original supporters and sponsors of the DREAM Act. She does not believe that while we are working towards comprehensive immigration reform we should make people wait, like the families you are talking about. Which is why she thinks it’s so important to extend the Affordable Care Act to people who are living and working here, regardless of immigration status, regardless of citizenship status.”

    Or…in other words…YOU LIE!

    This was always the plan, and it was called out long ago by 1 man who Rutherford thinks disrespected the president.

  212. “Or…in other words…YOU LIE!”

    Yup. And the legions of pathetic fan boys tried to shame us into silence for not kissing dear leader’s ring finger.

    This is why the Trump mob is upon us.

    I fear we will long for the days of Trump fools still invested in democracy.

    Rutherford, Obama, Libs…. They don’t understand the damage they are doing.

    The lies are constant. 100% lies. Always a lie. Some meant to last a weekend. Some a week. Some a presidential term. MSM is never outraged like they used to be when the lie is in the open.

    Enter am radio and the Internet: 30% percent of this country is in a dangerous place and backed in a corner. Soon more will join the mob.

    Tex called this years ago and I dismissed him.

    You can’t treat people this way. They will eventually snap.

    It’s not politics as usual. Obama and the Dems aren’t cute. Nor should it be respected hard ball politics.

    Everything…. And I do mean everything, and it will be ugly, they get in return for the last decade will be deserved.

    The partisan rank and file have turned their collective backs on their fellow Americans becuase expediency rules the day. Pay backs are a bitch.

  213. What say you Pools?

    Since Alex Jones is part of the establishment and Trump is part of the establishment, I don’t see his life as being threatened. If he was truly a threat, he wouldn’t be given the lion share of the media’s air time. If he was a real threat, he would get NO press. At. all. Period.

    You do know who owns the media, right?

    I linked the video to show how silly it is for those that think Trump is somehow legitimate. Alex is disinfo central and ALWAYS protects the zionistas. He AND David Duke are supporting Trump…

  214. Always cracks me up. The inherent built in flaw to Alex Jones. His own dumb followers begin to say he is part of the conspiracy, too.

  215. Bill Cooper exposed Jones as disinfo BEFORE 9/11. Of course Bill Cooper also predicted 9/11 and called out the real perps when it happened. It did cost him his life.

  216. This country is so twisted and unidentifiable, I’m now being called “establishment,” a “Hillary lover” and a “progressive.”

    The guy that has been begging his own countrymen to secede. 😆

  217. Last night, when another of my NCAA teams lost on 50 ft. shot, I flipped the remote on my chest, looked up at the heavens, and said,

    “When does my time get to win on a 50 footer?” I don’t know why I do this to myself every year. Torture.

  218. I don’t give a damn about Trump, but in the last week I have seen a cartoon of Deadpool cutting his head off with a katana, an animated graphic of The Hulk punching him, and just read about Kieth Richards threatening him with a knife. And in all 3 cases, people were laughing and making light of it.

    Violence is cool when it’s being inflicted on people we don’t like.

  219. Fox News says it is concerned for Megan Kelley’s safety now. Even though she has not been threatened.

    Maybe she needs a safe space and a coloring book.

  220. Or…in other words…YOU LIE!

    Noooo. You’re comparing where Clinton wants to take ACA from where it is. You have not demonstrated that ACA applies to illegals. Hence, Obama’s commrnt remains true and Congressman Joe remains a rude asshole.

  221. Tex called this years ago and I dismissed him.

    You did? Not in writing you didn’t. In fact the only one I know with more fanboys than Obama and Trump is Tex Taylor and YOU are among them.

  222. Dozens of protesters blocking traffic from getting to a Trump rally in AZ.

    Hundreds of protesters going through police barricades and throwing projectiles in NYC.

    But some guy got elbowed by a Trump supporter and Trump commented about paying legal fees, so there’s the real instigated violence.

    I am so, so glad that I have not been put into a position where some mofo is blocking my path to getting where I have a free right to go. Because I don’t see me reacting well in that situation.

  223. LOL Leave it to Poolman to identify Trumps source of nefarious support to be THE JEWS!!!

    I also did a double take when I saw Pools call Alex Jones the establishment. I assumed Pools was a Jones fan big time.

    Regarding Trump, we can always debate what constitutes inciting violence. But there is no debate that Trump uses rhetoric not used by any recent serious potus candidate. Is it rhetoric befitting a potus candidate?

    Frankly the protests in AZ and NYC have me puzzled. What is the end game? Do they want Trump to withdraw from the race? That’s not gonna happen.

  224. Yup, wrong boy. In writing.

    If even remotely worthy, I’d search this hilarious legacy of being a fucktard moron, that is your embarrassing blog, and prove it with numerous examples. I was a fool back then. Didn’t understand the righteous anger.

    But, you aren’t remotely in my league.

    So continue self-containing yourself in your modern middle aged man version of a late 1970’s SPED room and continue providing my entertainment as MSNBC stooge, year after year.

    Fucked thing is you are outed here. And while regulars like me would defend you as a friend… You need to get there will be a time when you might need a real safe space.

    There are millions of people who are being pushed to the brink.

    Obamacare is not a tax we were told. Instantly in front of the Supreme Court with its very existence pending on the fact it’s a tax. This lie alone is enough for the bad karma coming your way.

    Entertain me!

  225. “Regarding Trump, we can always debate what constitutes inciting violence. But there is no debate that Trump uses rhetoric not used by any recent serious potus candidate. Is it rhetoric befitting a potus candidate?”

    But that’s not what the debate is. It might be the debate you want people to have, but that is not in line with the reality we are seeing or hearing.

    The debate is that he is inciting violence and making people feel unsafe.

    And in protesting against that, people are committing violence and making people unsafe.

    It’s ironic that Trump has incited more violence by his detractors than he has by his supporters.

  226. LOL It’s pretty bad when I have to Google insults. SPED room? You outdid yourself on that one. And in my world everyone gets a trophy! 😀😀😀😀

    I honestly don’t know how to measure the so called anger out there. I’m tempted to dismiss it as you claim to have done years ago. But the tensions in Chicago a week ago and the confrontations today make me think twice.

    While we may not be allies, I think we are equally powerless to stop whatever is coming. Sit back, watch the show and stay safe.

  227. “Sit back, watch the show and stay safe.”

    That’s good advice.

    Now how would you suggest we stay safe against a mob we are powerless to stop? How many rounds per minute do you think should be allowed?

  228. It confounds me that this cleansing of the American bowel is prompted by a reality show carnival barker.

    Tex, you must be pulling your hair out that a man you disdain is triggering the revolt you’ve longed for. You must be conflicted as hell.

    Imagine how I feel. The perfect liberal rhetoric is being spewed by a conniving manipulative scheming liar. Shit.

  229. Now how would you suggest we stay safe against a mob we are powerless to stop?

    Near total social disengagement until things calm the fuck down. Don’t toss fuel in the fire.

  230. “The perfect liberal rhetoric is being spewed by a conniving manipulative scheming liar.”

    And then there’s Hillary 😀

  231. Trump keeps calling the media dishonest. So why doesn’t the media respond in kind by

    NOT COVERING TRUMP IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM???

    He gets his oxygen from the media. The ratings whores refuse to suffocate him.

  232. I think the mass surveillance/intelligence apparatus would disagree with that statement. Their existence depends on gaining information. But yes, they do use it against us.

    We glean our information much like panning gold in a muddy stream.

  233. So I’m watching Washington Week in Review on PBS, another liberal propaganda machine (right Tigre?) and the following points were made:

    First the Biden 1992 comments have been slightly distorted. There was no vacancy on the court when Biden made his speech. So he wasn’t blocking a particular appointment. Second he was advocating for hearings after November, not saying NEVER NO WAY NO HOW. So those citing the Biden Rule are being too cute by half

    Next, I believe Alfie objected to Garland in part because of Heller. According to Washington Week (and elsewhere), Garland never actually ruled anti-2nd Amendment in Heller. He asked that the circuit court decision be made with a larger panel of judges. I think only 3 ruled and Garland wanted more to hear the case. I have no idea how these circuit courts do their business.

    Again, Garland is known as a law and order judge which should make Repubs at least a bit happy.

    Please note in the foregoing discussion Alfie was specific in his objection and Tigre was full of typical snark and didn’t know wtf he’s talking about. 😀😀😀

  234. Quote of the Day
    “one could see a connection between Trump’s evangelism about money and his unexpected popularity among religious evangelicals, between mega-churches brimming with believers who want to be saved and arenas filled with people who want to be taught how to become rich,” . “Prophets and profits, in this sense speaking the same language.”

  235. Yeah. You sure school me on judges and the law. Lot to be learned around Rutherford.

    So what snark were you referring to? I asked why the right should embrace him? Answer?

  236. Since I heard my name…..
    You’re being just a cute and loose with reality as well R. The Biden comments in their entirety express the same plan. One could easily say Biden was even more bold since he was firing a first shot before the need of it.
    I thought I provided a pretty good primer on why almost anyone should at a minimum be wary of Merrick Garland. I personally feel his Heller position when matched to his “prosecutorial zeal and history” equals anti-2nd. His consistent siding with the BIG party in any given fight is an area where his consistency should strike warning bells regardless of ones partisan leanings. Let me be clarify this one. If you think his taking EPA side is a win you should reconcile his position on police powers. If you like his law and order stuff you totally need to reconcile the extent he does so. His biggest BIG is the government. Nobody of any political stripe needs a SCOTUS pick who consistently sides with Big government. Fuck we get enough sketchy shit from the 8 we got!

  237. “Yeah. You sure school me on judges and the law. Lot to be learned around Rutherford.”

    Maybe he is staying at a Holiday Inn Express

  238. Yes Trump and radio evangelists prey on gullibility, but so do Hillary and Sanders. If you believe Garland is a centrist who won’t usually vote with the liberals, you are gullible enough that you should not buy a used car on your own or buy jewelry or electronics from the trunk of a car.

    if you think Garland’s being a law and order judge makes Republicans happy enough to accept the rest of the package you don’t understand the issues surrounding judicial power. Law and order can also be used to support big government at the expense of the rest of us.

    I told you Sanders’ leftist supporters had more demonstrations planned to silence Trump and they are making noise. It is only a short step from doing the same to Hillary or any other politician. They are fascists.

  239. Wathchu talkin’ ’bout, Willis? ‘Splain. I thought it was some old white dude elbowing a black disrupter.

  240. Huck if that’s the video with the lady walking behind in the KKK hood, this gives Trump a great opportunity for some black pander. “That dude and his girlfriend with the KKK hood were disgusting. As you all know I denounce the KKK and I’m glad my black supporter threw a punch! I’ll pay his legal bills.”

    😀😀

  241. Why is it that when Poolman yells about staged events he gets verbally slaughtered? But anyone else claims an event was staged, then there’s a real conspiracy going on.

    So let’s break it down. Who was in on it? Trump? A guy volunteered to get slugged? Another guy volunteered to get arrested for slugging him? The cop making the arrest was in on it too?

    Please, spell out the staging for me. Or maybe I’ll let the true expert on such things, Poolman, give me the break down.

  242. Cui bono?

    That should always be the first question, Rutherford.

    Everything in politics is staged and scripted today. These people know how to MANipulate™ masses. It is science. They are equipped with the latest tech. Too much is at stake to leave the message to chance.

    Trump dominates the snews. If they didn’t what him to be popular, they wouldn’t give him any time. He’d get the same media treatment occupy got. Obviously he is getting the full press treatment. Why, if not to stir up the masses to cause division? Divide and conquer, repeat. I didn’t see the video in question yet, but it would really surprise me if it wasn’t staged.

  243. “Why is it that when Poolman yells about staged events he gets verbally slaughtered?”

    Uh….let me see…… Because Poolman’s staged events are impossible? Seriously, what a dumb fucking question. Get outside, man.

  244. Rabbit, 3 angles make it staged?

    Staging involves some degree of coordination so again I ask, who coordinated? Was the arrest of the puncher a consequence of the staging or part of it?

    Spell out just how “possible” it was that it was staged.

    I hate to break this to you but it is not IMPOSSIBLE that the Bush admin was involved in 9/11. Do I believe they were? No. Am I a truther (or a birther for that matter)? No. But every conspiracy has a toe dipped in fact.

    You want to talk about impossible? It’s far more likely that Bush was involved in 9/11 than Mick Jagger or even better, Santa Claus.

    Or maybe you agree with Jerry Falwell that 9/11 was a punishment from God for tolerating faggots. Is that “impossible”?

  245. Staging might not be the appropriate term, and it is not one that I used.

    That does not mean the man who was doing the punching and kicking was an actual Trump supporter. He may have gone there with the intention of beating up a protester, if the opportunity to do so presented itself, just to make Trump supporters look bad.

    We also don’t know if the guy getting stomped said something to provoke the action in some way. His friend had a KKK hood on. Did the “victim” say something? Maybe the black man felt threatened by the KKK hood and something that may have been said. This takes us right back to the idea of words and gestures making people feel physically unsafe. What the left seems to have forgotten is that sometimes when people are made to feel unsafe, they don’t run for their coloring books, they throw punches. I’d like very much to hear from the man who was arrested.

    None of that requires coordination. But there’s something that just doesn’t seem right about this. I can’t put my finger on it, but it’s there.

  246. I have no idea if its staged. I was just saying there are three different angles for those who are interested.

  247. The guy who said it was staged remains silent — Tigre?

    Huck if by smells funny, you mean the dude throwing the punch may have had cause, sure, I don’t doubt it.

    Folks won’t like this but a black dude seeing a guy and his KKK hooded friend coming up the aisle has a lot more to be pissed about than some old geezer seeing a middle finger.

    As I said earlier, this is a golden “opportunity” for Trump to defend a black guy and denounce KKK imagery in one fell swoop.

  248. So… I haven’t had time to follow most of this kind of crap… But, leftist Trump protesters are now wearing Klan hoods now at his rallies?

  249. “But, leftist Trump protesters are now wearing Klan hoods now at his rallies?”

    Yeah. Nothing weird there.

  250. “Huck if by smells funny, you mean the dude throwing the punch may have had cause, sure, I don’t doubt it.”

    I don’t really mean anything other than my gut says something isn’t what it seems here.

  251. 3 angles maybe, but not a scratch on the dude. He’s a plant, obvious from the video link I posted interviewing him the same day. Either that black dude was a wimp or he was pulling those punches. I say he was part of the play and pulling punches. This is Trump’s specialty. Remember his wrestling clips?

  252. On a completely unrelated note, does anyone here know anything about setting up and/or running an organized charity?

    I am thinking about setting up a charity that brings music to hospitals and senior centers by utilizing ipods people don’t use anymore. But I have no idea how to get something like that started.

  253. Huck the first thing that popped in my head was kickstarter campaign. Might be a good way to get initial funding.

    As for the video, was homie in his bathroom? Looked like a shower stall behind him. Maybe the best acoustics in his house? 😀

    As time goes on it is appearing more and more like the offended protesters are actually the offensive ones and the media is never going to portray it that way.

  254. Rutherford, I know you’re not one of these feckless Leftists that believe in shutting down free speech and assembly, as evident by this blog. In fact, I would think of all people, you being a clear proponent of free speech and peace would be bothered by these developments. And since I don’t know any of these little punks, I got to bounce this off you.

    So I got a question. Do you think these Feel the Bern supporters have any idea of just how unAmerican and truly fascist it is to stop the right of assembly and free speech? It’s the very 1st Amendment.

    Do these idiots have any idea the danger they are stepping into? Sooner or later, the police will not be able to control these punks. And you got to know what follows.

    Do you think these misfits really want a fight? I mean a real fight where people start going the vigilante route because they’ve had enough of being shut down by punks? Just curious.

  255. Huck, I know a little about starting a food pantry, but that is all.

    Tex, most of the protestors don’t want a fight, but they are clueless. The few leaders do want a fight if it profits them. They will instigate a fight, and they will try to get some of the unsuspecting protesters hurt to make a point at the right time. Large groups of people are weapons as guns are.

    I saw this during the sixties and seventies and have no reason to expect different results now.

  256. “Do you think these Feel the Bern supporters have any idea of just how unAmerican and truly fascist it is to stop the right of assembly and free speech? It’s the very 1st Amendment.”

    Pfffft. It’s the same crowd that believes climate change deniers should be arrested.

    The Constitution is so.. . . like. . . old. . . and stuff.

  257. @ HUck
    I am thinking about setting up a charity that brings music to hospitals and senior centers by utilizing ipods people don’t use anymore. But I have no idea how to get something like that started.
    With apologies in advance if I rehash stuff you’ve all ready thought of.

    First thing is you need to know exactly what you want and how much responsibility you want to own. Getting people to donate older model iPods would require you having the ability to reload,maintain and use them in the first place. That’s no small task. Many of the older models don’t support bluetooth so granny gonna need earbuds being another hurdle.
    If you wanted to organize getting newer devices and then loading the devices with music from a specific era there are a couple of ways I could suggest. Perhaps the “easiest” and sustainable in the sense of creating a niche would be to advertise,perhaps amongst friends or community/church groups a small cost fundraiser to purchase the items. You could further the groups involvement and engage in some civic mindedness by having folks list music or even videos that the target demographic may enjoy. For example a scout unit or Sunday school class “researching” the Beatles,MoTown or Glenn Miller. You could also tap donations of iTunes cards in the same manner which is essentially iStore cash. You as an educator could possibly utilize Apples discount programs to help your funds go a little further as well.
    After a couple of successes you could then hopefully get some feedback from the beneficiaries and then use that feedback to approach a retailer in a target area.

  258. So the woman who lied about her race on a university application is going to begin a rant with the words “Let’s be honest”

    What a joke.

  259. Huck your objection is a joke. I assume you’re referring to Elizabeth Warren. The whole fake Indian thing has gotten and will get no traction. It’s plain silly.

    There is a VERY good reason to be annoyed at Liz Warren. When asked to demand that Clinton release her Wall Street speeches, Warren waffled.

    I’m done with her. She should have endorsed Sanders from day 1. She’s a fucking coward and typical politician.

    I’m slowly learning if you want a hero, go read a comic book.

  260. Yes we know when Democrats lie it gets no traction, Rutherford. That doesn’t mean objecting to it is silly.

    Proven liars forfeit the right to begin arguments with “Let’s be honest” in my book. Maybe you’re reading a different one than I am.

  261. There are lies and then there are damn lies.

    Conservatives glom onto the Indian Warren thing because they say they loathe identity politics and they love having caught Warren hypocritically using identity politics to her advantage.

    But I’m telling you it’s small potatoes. The much bigger sin is to have openly criticized HRC in the past for her own hypocrisy and then go silent now when it really matters. Exaggerating ones Indian roots to gain advantage does not rock the future of our nation. Her cowardice re HRC can indeed rock the nation and the world.

    Now, if you want to tell me her earlier lie foretells her current cowardice, that is a very different argument and one you would likely win.

  262. Her earlier lie doesn’t foretell her current cowardice, but she would currently be irrelevant if her past lie wasn’t seen as silly small potatoes. She wouldn’t even be in the senate right now if her lies were as important to you guys as it is to us.

    She tells people what they want to hear, and it doesn’t matter if it is the populist mob, or her future employer (HRC) or a university. She’s nothing but a lying phony and that’s all she’s ever been. Sorry you’re so late in figuring that out.

    It’s hard to imagine, but its actually getting tiresome to say “we told you so.”

  263. Warren’s lying about her race was a form of theft. She took a slot intended for a real Indian (Native American.) Such long term decete reveals her true character. Thus while her earlier lie makes later lies not surprising. And we did tell you so.

    Bombs have killed people in Belgium. White Europeans are not Obama’s people. Who will Obama send this time so he can stay home? We told you so about that man too.

  264. I see the religion of pieces has struck again…

    Is it time for another lecture about killing abortion doctors from Muslim sympathizer Al Obama?

  265. “The whole fake Indian thing has gotten and will get no traction. It’s plain silly.”

    Maybe not on MSNBC.

    It’s the first thing EVERYONE mentions when her name comes up. It will follow her forever.

    Back to your teevee.

  266. It’s the first thing EVERYONE mentions when her name comes up. It will follow her forever.

    WOW You know everyone? How in the world do you find time to practice law? 🙂

  267. Can you believe I actually heard someone in the news blame Trump for the Belgian bombings.

    And then we wonder why we can’t have reasonable political conversations in this country.

  268. “We’re both wrong.”

    No. She has been stigmatized by her bullshit. EVERYONE associates Warren with the lie. You and your MSNBC babysitters don’t “care.”

  269. C’mon guys, you know the rules. Generalizations need to be made with the term “folks”.

    That made me LOL

  270. Tigre, you’ve got to be one of the least gracious folks I’ve ever encountered. Do you EVER admit you’re wrong?

    Dude there are folks who have heard of Warren who wouldn’t know WTF you’re talking about regarding the Indian thing. It’s a story some folks know about and care about, or don’t care about or have never even heard.

    Stop being silly.

  271. “Dude there are folks who have heard of Warren who wouldn’t know WTF you’re talking about regarding the Indian thing.”

    Nope. Never met one. If you grabbed someone random on the street they would not know who she was at all or say “Fauxcahontis.” If you know Warren, you know the lie. Youy and MSNBC not “caring” is irrelevant.

    Just admit you’re wrong and move on, Belky.

  272. “Can you believe I actually heard someone in the news blame Trump for the Belgian bombings.”

    Sounds like something Obama would do.

  273. Not one of the fucks in power of this country would merely utter the phrase “Islamic terrorism”, today. If I’m wrong show me, somebody.

    Think about the madness of that. Our President won’t dare even utter the name of what is savaging the west. Pathetic.

  274. You know, Rabbit, I have to admit something I’m not proud of. Trump says to kill the families of terrorists. Some of these dudes are making the bombs in their living rooms. It crossed my mind today that if you wanna use your home as a bomb making factory, then you’ve volunteered your home to be targeted for destruction and Grandma better get out of there if she doesn’t want to get killed.

    I’ll probably deny saying this tomorrow but that’s my visceral reaction right now. (And that’s why Trump is getting votes–visceral reaction).

  275. You shouldn’t wait until tomorrow to be ashamed of that bullshit, Rutherford.

    Are we really ready to go back to punishing people for the crimes of their family members?

  276. Piers Morgan said that Trump is the only man he knows who has a plan to fight ISIS and other terrorists. Morgan seems to feel as you do Rutherford. So do more Europeans than yesterday.

    As rabbit wrote, we are suffering from a liberal disease.

  277. Are we really ready to go back to punishing people for the crimes of their family members?

    Can we at least prosecute them?

    Hypothetical: your brother is staying at your house cooking up homemade bombs and you say nothing. Does that not make you an accessory?

    I heard on the news today that cops go into these jihadi infested neighborhoods and mum’s the word. No help. No support. No one saying a word.

    I don’t know what we do.

  278. If people commit crimes, they should be punished. Accessory to a crime is a crime.

    But I’m not sure it warrants a death penalty.

  279. “I heard on the news today that cops go into these jihadi infested neighborhoods and mum’s the word. No help. No support. No one saying a word.”

    What kind of support do cops get in black neighborhoods? Shall we prosecute them all? Maybe punish the black mom for her son’s drive-by? After all, she had to know he had that gun.

    Don’t lower yourself, man.

  280. Yes, an accessory to terrorism should warrent the death penalty. And that’s only American citizens.

    Anyone else is an act of war. Household’s where jihadis live need to be obliterated.

  281. It’s a dangerous slope, DR, because of how loosely people throw out the term “terrorism” these days.

    People called the Planned Parenthood shooter a terrorist. Should his wife and kids get the death penalty if they heard him make threats and did nothing?

    Or are we only going to target Muslims with this?

    People who commit crimes should be punished. But it’s not a crime to be related to a criminal.

  282. We need to think beyond our anger and disgust.

    We know women aren’t treated very well by jihadi men. I don’t think it’s a stretch to call some of them in such a household as a victim. She might be forced to live with the guy. Forced to marry. Maybe at a young age. She might have no place to go if she leaves. She might have violence inflicted on her–by her own family. She might live her life in terror, herself.

    And you want to punish her? Obliterate her home? Because of what her asshole husband did?

    I just can’t go there.

  283. Huck is right that many Muslim women are in an untenable situation.

    On days like this we look for easy answers.

    I swear I looked at my cat Ollie today and told him “be glad you’re not human. We’re a nasty breed.”

  284. Killing people is step too far but Huck don’t go too far in your defensive reactions either. I am very comfortable in not caring about cultural,personal and financial entanglements when it comes to protecting society. I don’t care if your frightened Shara shackled young mother of 6 a single black mom in a project or a white girl in a double wide meth lab. When the police actually,even sometimes finally come to help do the right thing and be part of the solution otherwise you’re part of the problem and deserve every taser zap,baton whack,pepper spray shower bullet you get.

  285. “People called the Planned Parenthood shooter a terrorist. Should his wife and kids get the death penalty if they heard him make threats and did nothing?”

    He is an American citizen. So no.

  286. Col Jeff Endicot said on a KFAB Omaha interview that waterboarding is not torture because it leaves no lasting physical effects or pain. The captured ISIS people should be waterboarded at the very least, he said.

    Anglo Saxon common law provides for committing an evil to prevent a greater evil.

    I was mildly tortured, and it gave me just enough of a problem that I officially have a 2% disability.

    This is not directed so much to here, but more to leftists I encountered earlier. We argued about torture. I can’t speak to them, but I told you so.

  287. “Hypothetical: your brother is staying at your house cooking up homemade bombs and you say nothing. Does that not make you an accessory?”

    No. That’s guilt by association. Accessory requires proof of knowledge and assistance or support. Moreover, spouses and children are generally excluded.

    Accomplice and conspirator are different but related concepts but don’t apply.

    Go ahead Rutherford. Argue with me about this with one of your half-sequiturs. . .

  288. Accomplice and conspirator don’t apply now, but they may in the future. Our high school principal told us how neighbors attacked her family and others who were descended from Germans during WW1. Guilt by association may over ride everything, not as legal doctrine but with behavior and choice of candidates in elections.

  289. Good answer, Muffy. Just expedite them without any assistance other than the plane ride immediately. Like within 24 hours.

  290. “He is an American citizen. So no.”

    Then that is contrary to what you stated.

    “Yes, an accessory to terrorism should warrent the death penalty. And that’s only American citizens.”

  291. Go ahead Rutherford. Argue with me about this with one of your half-sequiturs. . .

    You don’t pay attention do you? When you respond with actual wisdom and sense (and some notion of professional authority) I don’t argue with you. I only argue with you when you do your constant Paul Lynde impersonation.

    And thank you for the clarification on accessory. Good day, Sir! 🙂

  292. If CNN’s numbers are correct, Sanders now has more actual earned delegates than Hillary. She is only beating him because of the super-delegates.

  293. If CNN’s numbers are correct, Sanders now has more actual earned delegates than Hillary. She is only beating him because of the super-delegates.

    😆 😆

    You got to share and admit a certain morbid satisfaction watching the Rutherford type get screwed by the Democratic broker machine. There’s a certain sense of justice in a completely contradictory way. 😈

  294. “Yes, an accessory to terrorism should warrent the death penalty. And that’s only American citizens.”

    By “death penalty” I was infering a constitutional trial.

    By “obliteration I was infering militery strike.

  295. “You got to share and admit a certain morbid satisfaction watching the Rutherford type get screwed by the Democratic broker machine”

    The satisfaction I get is in the Democratic party neutralizing its own argument against voter ID. It’s kind of hard to argue that asking for an ID is meant to marginalize Democrat voters when the Democrat primary system is marginalizing Democrat voters.

    Trump points out that if he isn’t given the nomination he earns, his supporters might riot. Are Sanders supporters going to stand for Hillary and her cronies literally stealing the nomination?

  296. Correction Huck. Sanders won more delegates than HRC LAST NIGHT. In the overall race, Hillary is way ahead in pledged delegates.

    Bernie’s path to the nomination remains as narrow as a middle aged man’s urethra.

  297. “I don’t argue with you. I only argue with you when you do your constant Paul Lynde impersonation.”

    Hmmmm. Let’s see. In this thread alone:

    Tigre says:

    “Well, of course they have looked at [Garland’s] judicial record. All of them. i assure you, he’s been investigated. A judge’s work is, by its nature on full display. Every member of the senate has multiple memos distilling his background and rulings.

    Kagan and Sotomayor are national embarrassments.

    What do you know about is “record”?

    Why would a conservative embrace it?

    Enquiring minds want to know.”

    Aaaaand, Belky says:

    “Again, Garland is known as a law and order judge which should make Repubs at least a bit happy.

    Please note in the foregoing discussion Alfie was specific in his objection and Tigre was full of typical snark and didn’t know wtf he’s talking about.”

    You’re a real joy Wrong Way. Your paraphrased bullshit from an MSNBC twit on the Stand your Ground laws or Trayvon Martin or SCOTUS decisions on Obamacare or gay Marriage. . . always a treat.

  298. Hey everyone, great news!

    ISIL doesn’t pose an existential threat to us. It’s not like they can produce anything. All the JV squad can do is kill dozens at a time and compel us to change our Facebook profile pictures and redecorate the Eiffel Tower.

    And even though Obama has a lot on his plate, he is going to make defeating these guys his top priority.

    Well…after he catches a ball game, anyway. After all, we wouldn’t want them to think they are winning by making people adjust their daily schedules.

    So shut the fuck up you racist haters.

  299. The imagery of Obama doing the wave with the Cuban communists on the day of the Belgian attacks was a new low that I couldn’t script if you gave me Mel Brooks and a bag of magic mushrooms.

    Make no mistake about it. Obama sired Trump.

    They aren’t an existential threat he mumbles.

    On the day the AP is claiming that 400 suicide bombers have been unleashed on Europe.

    On the day we learn the orginal Belgian plan was to hit as many American expats possible.

    He feels now is the time to say they aren’t existential…. The same group he scoffed at as JV… Wrong as fuck back then… But trust him. It’s not like he would approach ISIS with his personal poll numbers over shadowing everything… Including dead Americans. They are so non threatening… He doesn’t even dare refer to them as Islamic Terrorists.

    Somebody tell President Ivory Tower that the towers came down due to 19 stinkbeards with box cutters.

  300. What does it mean to say 400 suicide bombers have been unleashed on Europe? Between Paris and Brussels I count at most a dozen. Are they estimating the number potentially radicalized enough to do harm?

  301. “typical anarchist” Profoundly stupid, using their milk money to buy plastic masks, and desperately in need of a bath and some dental work.

  302. The fact is ISIL is not an existential threat in the USA. We seem to forget San Bernadino was workplace violence with loose ISIL connections.

    Existential is a city being nuked. That’s not happening. Is ISIL the JV team? No. But let’s not pretend they’re some vast invading army taking over strong adversaries. Any regions that have fallen to ISIL weren’t worth a shit to start with.

  303. No, R. You didn’t give me an answer.

    But of course, you set out a compelling case for the right’s rejection of Garland is due to the right’s ignorance rather than your own — which is like finding hay in a haystack.

  304. Of course, a simple attack on a college football game could potentially kill 35,000 in minutes. Or more. Is that not Existential enough for you?

    And… What a day to have the philosophical discussion of what is Existential…

  305. We’re not pretending they are an existential threat, Rutherford. I was mocking our Idiot-in-Chief.

    I’d love to have him go tell the families of ISIS victims about how they are not an existential threat. He said that shit the day after they blew up bombs in an airport.

    Hey, everyone. Next time Obama or Rutherford goes on about gun violence and the need to DO SOMETHING about it, let’s all remind them that gun violence isn’t an existential threat to the US, and that they should just chill out and watch a baseball game.

  306. For chuckles, I tried Google to see if the terrorist groups whose sole purpose is to pose an existential threat to the West was not an existential threat was “fact.”

    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/18/islamic-state-has-become-a-existential-threat-to-the-west/

    http://www.understandingwar.org/report/al-qaeda-and-isis-existential-threats-us-and-europe

    https://www.aei.org/publication/an-existential-threat/

    But of course these are just “opinions” not based on fact.

  307. Somebody tell President Ivory Tower that the towers came down due to 19 stinkbeards with box cutters.

    Maybe that feary tale has surpassed its shelf life.

  308. Wow, so much to answer and so little time.

    Tigre, I answered your question and as I predicted, you rejected the answer. Fact: Obama could have chosen a further left nominee. Fact: he didn’t because he wanted to make Mitch McConnell look like an asshole.

    Rabbit, jihadist ghettos in Belgium don’t constitute a coup de etat. Detroit, Chicago and elsewhere have neighborhoods overrun by gang violence. Are they an existential threat?

    Huck, whenever anyone runs around with hair on fire regarding gun violence, the NRA and others do indeed tell us to calm the fuck down and go buy a gun to protect ourselves. So I’m not sure I get your point.

    Anyone who thinks Obama is laughing at the ISIL threat is either dopey or willfully ignorant. It’s pretty obvious Obama is trying to be a counterweight to the likes of Ted Cruz who wants to patrol Muslim neighborhoods.

    As for all the “existential threat” links posted by Tigre, they sell papers and get clicks. Quite frankly when I think about 9/11 and 3000 dead, not injured, dead, I’m a bit insulted when these countries make the comparison.

  309. “We seem to forget San Bernadino was workplace violence with loose ISIL connections.”

    And racism.

    These folks just want a revolooshyun.

  310. Rutherford, you’re one of the people here who make it a point to look at optics. You point it out, sometimes wrongly and sometimes aptly. You pointed it out when Hillary said the Benghazi mother was wrong, and I think when she stated that no lives were lost when we toppled Qaddafi.

    I used to be a Red Cross volunteer. We were always trained to respond to even a fire that displaces a family–because to that family–that event was a disaster.

    The day of the attacks Obama attended a baseball game and the next day he tells the world ISIS isn’t an existential threat and how they can’t build anything.

    Well they can sure as hell build bombs that are an existential threat to anyone around them.

    Now I don’t agree that he should have rushed home, but I think he maybe should have cancelled the ball game viewing. And how do think it makes a family member feel after they have lost loved ones to hear him say that?

    At the least, it was bad optics and he damn well deserves to be called out for it.

  311. So someone wrote “TRUMP” in chalk at Emory University and now the students are “scared” and “in pain” (those are their words) to the extent that it requires an investigation.

    You know, if all it takes now are words to make a person crumble, then I’m not at all sure that ISIS isn’t an existential threat to the US.

    Seriously.

  312. “Tigre, I answered your question and as I predicted, you rejected the answer.”

    Fact: no you didn’t. Fact: Obama could have chosen his wife as nominee. Fact: he didn’t because wouldn’t because he would look like an asshole. Fact: you make the point — Obama made a political calculation that has nothing to do with the right’s acceptance of Garland who is a politically and judicially leftist judge. Fact: the right should never accept Garland. Fact: your phone is calling YOU an asshole, dummy.

  313. Just nukes? Is poisoning a water system an existential threat? How about sarin gassing mass transit in major metro area?

    Well, so long as Obama tell us it’s not an existential threat to the US we can send along James Taylor or a #Bring Back our something-or-another pouty face tweet to cover things when the shit hits the fan. I feel better.

    Gotta wonder why Trump’s crude approach to a simple truth about our borders and security has appeal. A real mystery.

  314. The Marines need tp be unleashed on ISIS. President Coward knows this, but would rather kick the can and down play.

    For a group that is such a non existential threat, he sure lied enough about how it was neutralized during his last campaign.

  315. America is certainly proof that sick and morally degenerate leaders make for sick and morally degenerate followers. Semper Fi, Sieg Heil. What difference at this point does it matter?.

  316. Is poisoning a water system an existential threat?

    Mmm, good point. So let’s deal with all the gov assholes involved in Flint, Michigan before we sweat ISIL. Seems like we have an existential threat right here at home. 😊😊

  317. “Seems like we have an existential threat right here at home.”

    Of course that’s an existential threat to the people of Flint. Was this somehow in doubt — in the absence of Obama saying otherwise?

    There’s another existential threat. Open borders. Ask the Europeans, how’s that workin’ out for ya?” Frankly I think they’re toast. But there again, I’m just a racist and I am the existential threat that needs to be dealt with, right?

  318. National debt? Existential threat. Virtually ignored by Obama. So, does it really matter what label is applied to the threat when the reaction (non-action) is always the approach?

    Don’t worry about it. Obama doesn’t.

  319. The “I told you so’s” never end and there have beem times I’ve selfishly enjoyed it.

    The “I told you so” over the liberal assisted suicide of Western Europe makes my stomach upset.

    These same psychopath liberals in America want the same thing for us.

    Like Tex says…. It will be their own childeren savaged by the stinkbeards.

    But if there is one thing liberals do not care about, it’s the lives of the next generation. They are the most selfish people in the world. The millions of slaughtered babies in the womb the most obvious testament to this fact.

    Liberals are the vehicle that jihadists travel in to your city.

    It looks like Trump might bring the most vile of the left out from their opiate dens and gaming basements to throw down. I fucking salivate over the thought of these people treading on me.

    TRUMP ’16

  320. Heidi Cruz needs to tell her husbands cronies to knock off the shit. I think Donald has been restrained so far. He should have photoshopped Heidi’s head to a porn star and let Lyin’ Ted spend a few news cycles proving it was fake. 😡

  321. That wasn’t Ted Cruz, you asshole. LOL It was a PAC and if you can prove Cruz had any affiliation, you’ve got big news – because Cruz would have broken the law.

    Hell, Donald Trump took the worst picture he could find Heidi Cruz and juxtaposed it next to some glamour shot of his wife. Both are attractive.

    Trump is petulant as hell. Almost as bad as Obama. At least Trump realizes ISIS isn’t the JV, though.

  322. As a 15 year old in the 1989 factory rat, white, west side suburbs of Detroit, it was impossible not to love rap music .

    We would tune in the radio and record the late night shows. I still have a great one that is being interrupted by thunderstorm static.

    It was at it’s creative apex and not only did our Dads hate it, but the asshole older dudes who formerly ruled us through thuggery did to. Those dudes were the last to get the UAW shift jobs en masse and freshly out of our face. The neighborhood was all ours.

    Pfife Dog from Tribe Called Quest was one of the best.

  323. Here is another version of hip hop and rap. I’m not disrespecting your choice of music, but if they voted, those entertainers probably helped put Obama and other Democrats into office. These Lativians most likely would vote Republican if they were US citizens. They are a pale imitation of the Tribe, but their politics gives them an edge for me.

    Lativians and other Eastern Europeans as a people have endured more than most United States citizens, white, black or any other color. Most of us are clueless. If Europe is saved from itself, Eastern Europeans will be the instrument.

    Poolman’s description of morally degenerate leaders is right.Nebraska State senator Ernie Changers said on the unicameral floor that the debate on a gay rights bill so angered him that he should stay in his office and throw books. If he were a white man, he would have brought a semi automatic and mowed down the legislators. Another of his comments arguable caused the murder of a police officer.

    This man owns a plantation of black slaves who would vote for anything with dark skin. Their North Omaha district has been compared to Baghdad during the war.

  324. “Heidi Cruz needs to tell her husbands cronies to knock off the shit. I think Donald has been restrained so far. He should have photoshopped Heidi’s head to a porn star and let Lyin’ Ted spend a few news cycles proving it was fake.”

    There is so much wrong with this thought process, not the least of which is Rutherfords re-victimization of the women dragged into this dirty little war.

  325. Muffy, if you’re able to decipher it, please let me know what the fuck Rutherford is yammering about. He’s no longer a reliable source of his own commentary when he says something really, really, really stup. . . er. . . when he says something.

  326. “I do love Rutherford adopting Trump’s “Lyin’ Cruz” label.”

    Rutherford speaks fluent Trump.

    Tigre, Liz Mair is a gossip. A poison political operative who superpac’d some pictures of Trump’s wife posing nude in an attempt to pander to Utah uptighties – and the caption read something to the effect of support Cruz or this is your next first lady. Trump responded with an unflattering shot of Cruz’s wife next to Trump’s and some ” ’nuff said” snark, the implication being that Trump’s wife is better than Cruz’s.

    None of that was Cruz’s doing.

  327. The rabbit is really a squirrel. Good Friday they say…

    Truly amazing that a God would become flesh and fit all the written requirements set by men then give Himself in free will to a plan in service of mankind. And then to live life cursed, hunted, and continually challenged. To suffer abuse as to then be physically sacrificed in the prime of life in a most public way for the redemption of creation. In between a couple of takers. Talk about your greater good! Crazy love.

    He existed before all things and in Him all things consist.

    Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess…

    Crucify thy ego. Jesus Christ is Lord!

  328. The sleaze factor has been elevated in the Trump/Cruz race to the top of the dung pile. I think the heap is getting pretty flammable. Any spark might set things ablaze.

    Popcorn’s a poppin’!

  329. We are devolving to a new level with such irrelevant, nasty fights over candidate’s wives.

    It is another small example of what sociologists call the “panic of the middle class.” ( Red State) Americans and Europeans are watching their dreams slip away to be killed by ruling elites. The disconnect between the ruling class’ promises and reality is creating a rage which has little focus. As a result, the bitterness becomes irrational emotionality which not even Sanders or Trump fully understands. They and their European counterparts have grabbed a “tiger by the tail”.

  330. Tigre I know your time is valuable but if you bothered to read the Red State link that I posted when I said Tex was right about Cruz, you wouldn’t have needed Muffy’s explanation. If she bothered to read it, she wouldn’t have needed to give the explanation.

    You folks read selectively so you can paint me into a corner. I already gave you all the goddam detail you needed and I admitted my original assessment was wrong.

    Reading
    Is
    Fundamental.

  331. Sorry, Muffy. I am aware of the tweets/[pictures. I am trying to understand why Rutherford is so animated, attacking Cruz, and what the point of circulating a photoshopped photo of Heidi Cruz to be disproved is supposed to accomplish. In other words, why the fuck is Rutherford breathlessly taking up for Trump?

  332. Muffy, you’re 100% correct that my comment about Heidi Cruz was wrong-headed. Put more simply, two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Interesting that a PAC lead by a woman would attack Melania Trump.

  333. Yeah Rutherford. You again nailed it with your Redstate post. 🙄

    It’s your juvenile blathering that’s confusing. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by the product of your “research” skills.

  334. “We are devolving to a new level with such irrelevant, nasty fights over candidate’s wives.”

    There is nothing new about it. Attacking candidate’s wives has been going on for pretty much the history of the US.

  335. @ Tigre – In that case I’d hazard a guess that nothing scratches Rutherford’s social commentary better than gossip except for judging.

    @Rutherford – it’s your own brush doing that corner thing.

    Your
    Tweets
    Are
    Mental.

  336. To answer your why, Tigre. I’m no big fan of Trump though I find him cathartic now and then. What I don’t like is when someone is raked over the coals for their RESPONSE and the provoking incident gets much less criticism. The ad with Melania was over the top. Liz Mair fired the first volley and has gotten off relatively Scot free. Meanwhile Donald is a beast for suggesting Heidi is ugly – something he would never have done if not provoked.

    I like seeing fairness, even when it comes to the Donald.

    My original wrong headed comment should have had Liz Mair’s head photoshopped to a porn star.

    P.S. I used to like Mair. I think she got fired from Jeb’s team earlier in the race.

  337. “Interesting that a PAC lead by a woman would attack Melania Trump.”

    Not really. Just unusual that it came from the right…

  338. Yes, Huck, that is true. Some even fought duels. I am referring to the past few decades as I should have written. The same thing is happening in Europe. A growing segment of the population is reacting differently than it has in decades but similar to past years..

    Rutherford, if you made a music post we could all learn a lot.

  339. Sorry for the flip, Tigre. I really don’t know the answer. I read R’s response and it strikes me as a massive rationalization of a thought process that is in the end truly inexplicable.

    He thinks Heidi needs to correct Ted for Liz using Melanie to attack Donald.

    Hahaha.

  340. He is being forced into an ideological corner.and is running out of choices.

    I publically support Trump for the same reason. The choices are as stark as the people in Belgium who have suddenly decided to support the so called White Party.

    I expect in the end, Rutherford will vote as irrationally as the sudden converts to the European version of the right.

  341. “Meanwhile Donald is a beast for suggesting Heidi is ugly – something he would never have done if not provoked.”

    Carly Fiorina begs to differ.

    Trump sees mere disagreement as provocation. How anyone could consider putting this man in charge of our military and nuclear arsenal is beyond me.

  342. “P.S. I used to like Mair. I think she got fired from Jeb’s team earlier in the race.”

    Scott Walker.

    Just stop. You haven’t been correct about a single thing regarding this issue.

  343. I have been saying liberals are an existential threat to the West for a long time. It is the only reason I will vote for Trump. My hope is that Trump would enter office without the institutionalized rot which would accompany Hillary, and advisors would curb his instincts which may not be known even to him..

    This whole thing takes me back to simpler times. If an officer or someone like me represented an existential threat some one got rid of them. In Vietnam, it was called fragging.

  344. “The clouds in the sky calmly float over Barcelona..I risk it I measure the steps to your city. ..comes a void. Cancel the urgent trips.

  345. Obama’s not being able to tell the difference between capitalism and communism is not funny. I told Rutherford long ago that Obama was a socialist and documented his past. He replied I was crazy, but he couldn’t find anything contrary to my comment.

    Its not funny because it gives me a chance to say “I told you so.” Its not funny because reporters spent so much time digging through Sarah Palin’s trash that Tom Brokaw told Charlie Rose that they didn’t know much about Obama , even what he liked to read. I knew and they didn’t .Now we are paying.

    Moreover, events evolving from the election make people like Ruthrford look like fools. They also lead me to post songs.
    That singer was born in Uzbekistan.

  346. Its funny how politics so greatly depends on the intelligence,or lack thereof of those that are consuming the product.
    I was following through on some tidbits regards Trumps less than Great FP team and how Shillary is using Panetta as a counter. Leon the Lesser actually used William Bratton of NYPD fame to really pile on.
    Panetta a relative failure has a lot of gall. Bratton has even more since he declares Trumps nationalizing of NYPD practices is out of touch.
    We get the government we deserve.

  347. He thinks Heidi needs to correct Ted for Liz using Melanie to attack Donald.

    Ok Muffy. I know you enjoy razzing me but the thought process wasn’t that tortured.

    I made a mistake in thinking the Melania ad came from a Cruz PAC. That’s the only reason I went after Heidi. As it turns out, Ted had nothing to do with it and Heidi got pulled into the thing unjustly.

    The fault lies entirely with Liz Mair. If Trump wanted retribution, he should have gone after Liz.

  348. It’s pretty obvious those criticizing Obama didn’t actually read the article.

    He’s saying there is no reason why we shouldn’t get beyond labels. Labels limit the imagination and interfere with problem solving.

    We may be able to learn from how Cuba educates its children or provides health care. They may be able to learn better economic practices from us. But as long as we apply artificial labels of capitalism and socialism we get no where.

    Do what works. Obama isn’t saying anything that a good business coach wouldn’t say.

  349. Wait a minute, Rutherford. Health care? Didn’t Fidel get medical treatment in Spain when he was very sick?

    A good business coach would say practice a form of capitailsm even without using either term. Obama’s early care givers brain washed him.

  350. “It’s pretty obvious those criticizing Obama didn’t actually read the article”

    I read the article. All of it. He’s saying that we need to get beyond the lable of a system that murdered more then 60 million, including my Great Uncle, and enslaved everyone else except for the 1% Party Members.

    We need to defy our founding farthers, Adam Smith and John Locke and be open to a diseased, corrupt and negligent government getting bigger. One that has a track record ranging from VA Hospitals to Flint water.

    As a public employee, I assure you, we need no more money. No more bureaucracy. I don’t even need a pay hike.

    Fucm him.

  351. Rutherford does not understand that even if (which isn’t true) but even if… Cuba has some kind of niche perfection on something… They arrived there by stomping millions of people to get there.

    Trains ran on time in Hitler’s Reich.

    Perhaps Rutherford likes to pick some small plates off that menu. The dumb ass doesn’t get that the recipe is always the same. Leviathan has a gun to your fucking head.

  352. “He’s saying there is no reason why we shouldn’t get beyond labels. Labels limit the imagination and interfere with problem solving.”

    That’s pretty funny to those of us who remember the last 7 years.

  353. Huck, 90% of politics is labeling. It’s quick, easy shorthand to avoid difficult discussion of solutions.

    With every successive generation, we get worse and worse at problem solving.

    Obama may not be the right messenger but the message of putting jargon above solutions is not a bad message.

    Rabbit, I still believe man is smart enough to choose the right pieces from a smorgasbord of options to solve problems. If we discarded all elements of socialism that already exist in our society you’d have no social security, no police department, no care of common spaces (like roads).

    Surely we are smarter than to just toss the label “commie” around before thinking things through.

  354. So a recent poll shows 70% of women dislike the Donald but only 43% of GOP women dislike him.

    I wonder why Republican women have so much self-hate? 😉😉

  355. I don’t know whether to think the kid is awfully lucky or unlucky.

    Well they do say Mormons have nine lives. Wups … got that wrong … it’s nine wives. 😂😂😂😂

  356. Man… That sucks. Looks like being a naval officer is out for him now.

    He was only in the country of France for the 2nd attack. He was two hours away. That doesn’t count does it?

    Look it dumb ass foolman…. He thinks this is impossible.

  357. Tom Petty sang this song at Farm Aid in 1985 because it expressed the emotions rural folks were feeling. They were similar to today’s.

    ” I wonder why Republican women have so much self hate.”

    That statement made me mad, Rutherford because you are assuming with inadequate information.

    I have already compared your and my reactions to this campaign and the fast rise of the White Party in Belgium as well as other right wing parties in the rest of Europe.. When people feel trapped with no where to escape, they will grab onto any thing available.

    Today, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump offer their only hope. You have even mused about voting for Trump. This is part of a so far peaceful revolution against the ruling classes. Republican women may discount Trump’s sexism because they see no alternative. Germans voted for Hitler for similar reasons. Russians like Putin because he seems better to them than his predecessors. You may be right and I wrong, but your simple statement proves nothing.

    One of the last times this happened was during the farm recession of the 1970’s and ’80’s. Fear, bitterness and anger led to rural violence and survivialists. I believe rural angst also helped contribute to Timithy McVeigh in a small way.

  358. Our court house lawn also had crosses. A good friend from high school walked to his barn and blew off his head with a shot gun.

    This is a sample of anger and discouragement growing in many parts of the world which our coseted leaders fail to see.

    If you aren’t convinced now, at least support your statements.

  359. “So a recent poll shows 70% of women dislike the Donald but only 43% of GOP women dislike him.

    I wonder why Republican women have so much self-hate?”

    Liberal females dislike all men so the numbers are going to be skewed.

    Id like to see your source, Simpleton. Id also like to hear your daffy rationale for how you come to your common sense conclusion in the first place.

    Because it reads to me like a sad attempt to put your problem with women into the “theres something wrong with those women” compartment.

  360. Liberal females dislike all men so the numbers are going to be skewed.

    LOL. ‘Cept Obama. They love Obama. That right there tells you all you need to know about President Feckless.

  361. Look it dumb ass foolman…. He thinks this is impossible.

    Not much of a gambler, eh? The odds of me getting pregnant are better, fantasy man.

  362. Lots of people go to the Boston Marathon. Lots of people go to Belgium.

    Sure… The odds of anyone getting hurt by an ISIS bomb are low.

    But this is a perfect example of your ignorance. You are essentially saying that the odds of someone at a travel hub in Brussels that had also been to the Boston Marathon that was attacked is impossible. Dude was two hours away from the French attack. So that gets dismissed.

    Even funnier, you are posting this as some kind of “evidence” of your psychotic fantasies. You are a moron.

  363. “Blocks” away from the Boston Marathon finish line and TWO HOURS away from Paris,the entire fucking city not just the area involved and then poor little Belgium.
    This isn’t a nine lives cat. This is a kid who obviously has some family $$$$$$$$$ and finds himself in places that well after the fact can be extrapolated by lunatics as being something it isn’t.

  364. He was only in the country of France for the 2nd attack. He was two hours away. That doesn’t count does it?

    You’re right of course. That Paris attack endangered that kid as much as it endangered you and me. Dumb story. My comment was just to make a lame Mormons joke.

  365. 95% of my motive in posting the GOP self-hating women’s comment was to get a rise out of Muffy and Tigre. Mission 50% accomplished.

    Muffy I think it was an NBC poll that had the stat.

    Look, there are blacks and Hispanics who support Trump. So why shouldn’t women? It’s amazing what we can filter out when we like part of the message.

  366. James, following up on your anger comments, I’m developing a new theory that these mass shootings (I don’t mean terrorist) are a new norm for dealing with rage.

    A few years back there was a Michael Douglas film, I think called “Falling Down”, where this guy had finally had enough and turned violent. I think with the proliferation of guns, an increasing number of people are just saying “enough, I’m gonna go blow some fuckers away, anybody, I don’t care.”

    Candidates who say we need to look at mental health are not blowing smoke. There’s too much stress in the system and folks are breaking.

  367. I agree Rutherford. I don’t know any thing statistically but your theory makes sense to me.

    We have had mass murders for a long time, One occurred near our home about a hundred years ago. Decendents still talk about it. When I was in grade school, a high school freshman brought a rifle to school to shoot the senior class. The superintendent talked him down two hours later and gave him detention. No one called the sheriff.

    We do need to look at mental health.

    I half thought you were joking about the Republican women, but I wasn’t sure I decided to support my statement with music i like. You got the desired effect/

  368. “Dumb story.”

    Yeah dumb story. But imagine the ignorance of the Foolman.

    For him, it was more “proof”. He came running here with it, later dumbing.. I mean doubling down on the fact that there is a better chance he could get pregnant. And you ask why this utter fool, this slandering fucktard, is dismissed by us?

    We all usually ignore him… But each one of us is guilty of wasting time on him. Now for that, we all deserve to be laughed at.

  369. Jeff Jacoby cited a Pew poll “why there are Muslim Ghettos in Belgium but not in the US.” The reason is that in spite of multiculturalists in the US, we are still the melting pot and exceptionalist nation we were in the beginning.The majority of US Muslims are satisfied with their lives and want to be good Americans.
    That tragic story shows how people assimilate when given the chance. The column was painful to read

  370. Only painful to read, James, if we lose sight of successful Muslim assimilation and fuck it up by making THEM feel unsafe.

    It’s one thing to say we need to call out radical Islam for what it is. It’s quite another to suggest patrolling American neighborhoods in search of Jihadis as Ted Cruz proposes.

  371. “Rabbit I’m not sure I’m getting your point on the Guardian article.”

    Ha ha. I knew you wouldn’t get it.

    Not at all. The guy was loved. He was killed by a Muslim stinkbeard for being too nice to Christians. You have to fill in the blanks. I’ve gotten good at it.

  372. I agree. We also need to control our borders to help the process of assimilation along.

    A town in a neighboring county had a meat packing plant Hispanics. moved in. Their leaders pressured newcomers to keep their lawns mowed and maintain their houses. They also watched teenagers to keep them from forming gangs.

  373. @ Rutherford with apologies if its TMI. The Glasgow case is interesting on many levels. First off the Guardian proves itself the leftists butt wipe rag it is by purposely avoiding any journalistic truth to seep into their story regards the shop keepers death.
    He was indeed killed by a Muslim who viewed him as an infidel. It is likely he viewed him as such more for his actually denomination,Ahmadi. Other Muslims view them as a cult. They represent a very small minority of UK Muslims with 3-500 residing in Scotland with a foci in Glasgow.
    Glasgow is in fits currently as every day it seems elements are easily radicalizing and agitating the Muslim population. Scottish Police are now monitoring Muslims in the country.Scotlands Muslims are predominantly Pakistanis and have been experiencing friction rooted in happenings in Pakistan.

  374. Most of heretic and Sufi Muslim sects are cool outside Elijah Muhammad bow tie fuckers… And even they don’t really fuck with you. At least they aren’t going to mug you.

    Assad’s sect is decent, his secular fascist shit aside.

    And the Druz have a religious duty to assimilate. Great people. Let them all come here. I’ve never met one that wasn’t good for this country.

    Most Sufi sects I’m aware of, either love music or twirl around for tourists. I’m sure there are some militants out there. Some ignorance there on my part, obviously.

    Hell…most of the Shi’ah that come to this country are cool, although there is a huge Hezballah presence here that is unbelievably under the radar with the public .

    All of this anecdotal.. But I would (attempt) to ban all Suni until this jihadi shit goes away. (If I was king.).

  375. That is why we need to control our borders and regulate who moves here and in what numbers. Even immigrants who want to become true Americans influence our culture. Some of them gave us the Easter Bunny, Santa’s reindeer and Ground Hog Day.

    Our natural inclination is to bring our attitudes and values with us when we move. A too large concentration of like minded- people lets them form enclaves where they become cultural hybrids. That is especially true in Europe where class lines tend to be stricter.

    Too many immigrants at a time is as old as our country. A hundred years ago Irish in Omaha rioted and attempted to drive Greeks from the city. Even if only a tenth of Muslims sympathize with jihadists, that is a lot of people.

  376. I won’t post it now, but I found a video of a young singer from Uzbekistan who moved to Russia. She sang on national television with a ten year old Ukrainian girl

    It is another anecdote which shows mutual tolerance can work.

  377. Newsbusters: James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal wrote that the New York TImes mocked Trump when he said Brussels was turning into a hell hole because too many unassimilated Muslims were trying to change the society.

    His zinger was “Only Trump said it in January.” No wonder some people like Trump.

  378. I won’t post it now,(thank god) but I found a video of a young singer from Uzbekistan who moved to Russia. She sang on national television with a ten year old Ukrainian girl (the song was called Our Common Ground Putin Screwed Us)

  379. As I watch Face the Nation today I have to once again consider that Trump is on the Clinton payroll to ensure her victory. He has a net 40% unfavorable among women the same year of the first female potus candidate. You just can’t make this stuff up.

  380. I don’t know what the “yes we can” snark is about. Your “team” wanted more intervention in Syria, not less. That in the face of the fact we don’t even know who is who over there.

    Good advice for the future: stay the fuck out of other country’s civil wars, no matter how nasty it gets.

  381. Bla bla bla. The buck never stops anywhere. Got it R.

    By the way…. We were all in for 100% intervention. That red line was crossed So… We went in… At least Obama did. Then instantly ran out. The upshot global anarchy.

    War is inevitable. Kicking the can on war.

    It will fall on someone. And your petulant coward will probably be spouting off, the only one left defending his legacy.

  382. The red line was a massive mistake, clearly showing Obama to be an FP amateur. I don’t argue that.

    Sometimes, strongmen exist for a reason. Because without them, the ignorant masses destroy the country. We should have left Qadaffi alone. We should have left Assad alone. Sometimes a brutal dictatorship is preferable to the alternative.

  383. I’m lost regards what exactly we’ve done against Assad other than talk and balk. Our Libya strategy was a failure and thoroughly misguided.
    The problem with our relationships with “strongmen ” is that we do not look for the correct balance between our interests and our desires.

  384. I am all about a brokered convention this time around. I want Trump engaged outraged and with any hope humiliated. I don’t even care who they pick although I’m pulling for Ryan.
    My second choice is delegate purge/ mutiny for Cruz.
    Any thoughts?
    I’m threading it secondary an absolutely disgusting Easter dinner. I’m so hosting next year so the food will not suck.

  385. Ahhhh the one advantage of not believing in Easter … no food issues.

    Re Syria, my response was based on Rabbit’s linked article and the fact we have zero control of how our weapons are being used in the region. We should not have given aid in the first place.

    I am wondering if a brokered convention will indeed lead to a Cleveland riot and unrest not seen since the 1968 Dems. From reports I’m seeing, the plots to stop Trump in Cleveland are growing exponentially.

  386. I have a question for Alfie based on a Meet the Press segment I watched today.

    Was the agenda in setting up the EU not aggressive enough? Should it have called for a Central European government and the “demotion” of member countries into states, giving up sovereignty to the newly established central gov?

    I ask this because the following simplistic comment was made on MTP today: if the police chase you in NY and you cross the NJ border, they keep chasing you. On the other hand a police car chasing you in France won’t follow you across a national border.

    The premise is that the EU has opened up borders without the corresponding cooperation and coordination between the member countries.

  387. The Muslims attacked a park and slaughtered over 60 women and children becuase some of them were Christian and it was Easter.

    Back home, our betters won’t utter the phrase Islamic Terrorism.

  388. God has nothing to do with it, Alfie. It depends on my level of anger. I like the joke. It was a love song, but your thought is more accurate.

    I also hope for a brokered convention if it is the only way to stop Trump, but given Trump’s personality, it might be a pyrrhic victory. Whatever happens will have to be decisive and appear fair.
    even then, it would enhance the Democrat’s chances, if Trump goes it alone. The convention should fine Trump’s price and come as close as possible to meeting it.
    I still think it is possible to humiliate Trump before the convention.

    I like Ryan too, but Cruz has a better chance of winning today.

    Seven of our family visited a botanicl garden and paid
    490.00 an all you can eat buffet. It was worth the money. Better luck next year with your meal.

  389. I don’t think the EU would exist if its nations were relegated to the status of our states. Unlike here those countries have been soverign nations for over a thousand years. Many of them don’t really like each other.

    Bill Mahr told a Democratic guest that Democrats will lose if they continue to be afraid to use the phrase “Islamic extremism.” The Democrat still wouldn’t say the words.

  390. “Bill Mahr told a Democratic guest that Democrats will lose if they continue to be afraid to use the phrase “Islamic extremism.” The Democrat still wouldn’t say the words.”

    The insanity is something not one of us should ever forget. An American political party that refuses to even utter the name of the savages at war with each and everyone of us.

    Never forget 911. Ha.

  391. “The insanity is something not one of us should ever forget. An American political party that refuses to even utter the name of the savages at war with each and everyone of us.”

    What is even more insane is that they even ignore it is at war with itself. Islamic terrorists have killed many times more Muslims than they have anyone else.

    But then, they do the same when it comes to black people, so why would Muslims be any different.

  392. “We should not have given aid in the first place.”

    The time to have done something in Syria was when Assad was shelling protesters. Once those protesters turned into armed militias, it was too late. At that point we should have just let them all fight it out and deal with the aftermath once the dust settled.

  393. “I’m pulling for Ryan.”

    Sorry, but even the smiling idiot Joe Biden was able to make Paul Ryan his bitch in front of the country.

    Ryan is not presidential material. The VP debate proved that. Maybe one day, but not today.

  394. “We should have left Qadaffi alone. We should have left Assad alone. Sometimes a brutal dictatorship is preferable to the alternative.”

    Maybe we should have left the Ottoman Empire alone (after it was defeated).

  395. My recollection may be fuzzy but I recall the regulars here thinking Ryan kicked Biden’s ass in the VP debates.

    James are you saying Cruz is more likely to get the nom or more likely to beat HRC than Ryan? I think Ryan is a much stronger opponent to Clinton. I know I’m in the minority here (as usual) but Cruz is a creepy loon driven by ambition, who will be roundly rejected by the general electorate. Ryan is a Kemp disciple who has the potential of crossover appeal and the ability to unite the party. I would not think twice about voting for Ryan over Clinton.

    Ryan has even apologized for comments in the 2012 campaign that made him appear unsympathetic to the poor. I basically like the guy.

  396. @ Rutherford the real purpose and extent of the EU was always meant to eliminate sovereignty and ultimately focus ALL power under a single government. If not for a number of sub-treaty hiccups generated in no small measure by the UK it would’ve gotten there. In its present state the enormous pressures caused by sovereignty based ideals causes very much foreseen problems.
    As for borders the truth is far more complicated than the MTP snippet covers. There is actually a lot of cooperation between law enforcement agencies in the EU. Not unlike in the USA the levels of cooperation come at different levels and get called upon depending on offenses.
    In the USA crossing borders neither protects you from getting caught nor does it actually provide permission to the pursuing “agents” to arrest you. In fact depending on your original crime crossing state lines can actually serve you up a FEDERAL charge. This is important in understanding one aspect of the EU system.
    Speeding wouldn’t cut it but a true capital offense easily serves you up to speedy extradition as it were between EU states. Although Brussels won’t send a “commissar” to do it it is in fact carried out under the guidelines of EU law. An example a few years ago of a related issue being in effect is when Britain wanted to extradite a notorious Muslim nut bag out of the UK. The EU Human Rights panel denied the UK’s right to do so and in fact insisted the guy get to stay in the UK on full welfare bennies!

  397. Ryan has even apologized for comments in the 2012 campaign that made him appear unsympathetic to the poor.
    Actually Ryan is taking heat from tea party types because of his work with the CBC to target persistent poverty. Even the CBC folks are shocked and sympathetic at the depth and zeal of Ryans budget desires.

  398. There is actually a lot of cooperation between law enforcement agencies in the EU.

    In the face of this statement, I still sense Belgium getting a lot of heat this week. Seems the eu consensus is that Belgium dropped the ball and basically asked for what transpired.

  399. The most credible criticism of Belgium is that it is a victim of budgetary constraints. The ability to fund covert and general surveillance is a budget buster and is a very real threat to any number of countries. The EU does not have a country that fulfills its NATO Charter mandate of defense spending. You don’t hear much about that because they primarily have no desire to advertise their inability to conduct a military operation.
    The only criticism I believe Belgium deserves is the same for most of the pro-multiculturalist pc pussy states in the EU. To use a tired phrase,the chickens have come home to roost.
    This doesn’t mean I think they deserve it but Belgium,France,Germany,Sweden and the UK played very active roles with shameful smugness that helped create their islamic time bombs .

  400. “My recollection may be fuzzy but I recall the regulars here thinking Ryan kicked Biden’s ass in the VP debates.”

    I was probably a bit over the top with my comment, but the debate and campaign overall showed that Paul Ryan is a great budget and numbers guy, but he was weak on pretty much everything else. When Biden wasn’t marginalizing him with laughter he was outshining him with his political experience. Biden knew his own strong points and weak points, and he used that. Ryan (like Romney) tried to dictate what the election should be about and it didn’t work in debate.

    I don’t think Paul Ryan could even beat Bernie Sanders right now. I just don’t see him as presidential material based on what he has given us so far. What he does he does well. I think he should stick to that.

  401. I think that Cruz has a better chance of winning the nomination now. Ryan may have more cross over value with a better chance of beating a Democrat, but right now, Cruz is better known, and has conservative fans. Changing Ryan into a front runner would be like turning an ocean liner. It could happen but is not realistic now.

    Huck, you may be right about the Ottoman Empire, but I would go farther back to 843 and blame the first Treaty of Verdun for many troubles.

  402. Well Huck he’s the guy in 2020 or it’s four more of Hillary. I cannot believe the depths and speed of the GOP toilet flush. For crying out loud theres a petition with 22k+ signatures calling for the right to bear arms at the Cleveland convention. We have that on one end and on the other the still very bright Vacancy sign on GOP ideas for the country.

  403. I agree with Alfie. I read that three terrorists were captured in three countries, because authorities were sharing information. Interpol is also playing a role.

    Europe has many examples of past resentments and quarrels. One concerns Lithuania that discriminates against a Polish community which has lived in Lithuania since the fifteenth century, I believe. Another example is the current economic stress. Greek needed help, and several countries, especially Finland wanted to deny it. I am writing this from memory and may have forgotten some details. The Germans are unofficial leaders of Europe, and many resent them. Europeans have long memories.

    I think turning Europe into a true nation is as daunting as nominating Paul Ryan as a Republican,

    The motive for creating a continent-wide psudo county as Alfie noted was also intended to end frequent European wars and to make the continent into a world class economic power.

    I also agree especially western Europe brought these immigration problems onto themselves. Belgium was especially derelict. They did have a reason beyond blind political correctness. Many European countries are not producing enough replacements to maintain their welfare systems. Immigrants would fill that need.

    Unfortunately their societies have longer histories than we do and they are less adept or willing to integrate newcomers.

  404. “Well Huck he’s the guy in 2020 or it’s four more of Hillary.”

    And he may get the needed experience in his current role.

    The party has a lot of healing to do. Of course, before healing can begin there must be a halt in the injuries taken. That hasn’t happened yet.

    By the time we get to the other side of this election, Ryan’s political status and experience might work against him more than for him.

    We’re in some crazy times right now.

  405. Don’t speak for me, Rutherford. I wanted intervention only if we invaded and took Syria. Otherwise, we were helping people we didn’t know and who would use our weapons against us and our allies. Obama and his European allies made a mistake so terrible we will pay for generations.

  406. “One concerns Lithuania that discriminates against a Polish community which has lived in Lithuania since the fifteenth century”

    I assume you are talking about the Polish of Vilnius?

    Yeah.. My Mom’s a Pole and I’m Lithuanian on my Dad’s side… I’ve actually seen the Polish snootyness in action with the old folks.

    Yeah… Those Polish get snooty around the Lithuanians. Seen it play out even here with the old folks in the family.

  407. That’s who I mean, Rabbit. Their emotions must have been strong to carry the animosity to the New World. Do you know what started it?

  408. “My recollection may be fuzzy but I recall the regulars here thinking Ryan kicked Biden’s ass in the VP debates.”

    Well, that’s not much to brag about. Most chimps could kick Jolting Joe Biden in a debate.

    Happy Easter, Gang. Sorry I’ve been absent in interesting conversation. I never knew so much work went into a baby shower with a 31 week pregnant doctor still in shrubs upon arrival at midnight, now already gone. I think I spent like 14 hours cleaning the house and the yard. Already looks filthy again and tonight, yours truly spilt about ½ a quart of motor oil all over the driveway because he wasn’t paying attention. And of course, my team choked like a chicken last night. 😡

    I pretty much have turned apolitical with the advent of Trump and Rotten-Clinton. Turned FOX off for good too. Haven’t missed the latter a bit.

  409. Happy Easter Tex…. I actually forgot you have a grandchild on the way.

    James, I don’t know anything other then a few comments I heard as a kid about the Polish always thinking they were more refined. I also think I read before that the Polish of the old Commonwealth were the educated class in Lithuania.

    Interestingly… The Polish side of the fam did kind of act that way here (usually with good reason).

    The old people are dead. Everyone else obviously completely assimilated.

    Food and church remain. The last name. That’s it.

  410. Our family knew a kid from Lithuania. He wrestled with my boys in high school. Real good kid. Respectful and hard worker. He accidentally fell off a hotel balcony in Japan and was killed. We named the annual wrestling Coach’s Award after him.

  411. Why does Cruz say we need to “patrol” Muslim neighborhoods?

    We don’t need to patrol. For one, “Patrol” conjures up images of fascists with arm bands. Secondly, what is another squad car on the corner of Warren and Schaefer road going to do?

    We need to infiltrate. We need to improve our intelligence. Spy. The Muslims laugh at our lame attempts to infiltrate mosques. If this is what he means, he should be explicit. I am getting sick of these Republicans constantly talking in mob speak this late in the game.

    Trump is right. A temporary ban is the way to go. However, he should be talking about some sensible ways to revamp the system to make it 100 times more stringent. There are many common sense things that could be done to keep stink beards out, if Obama PC insanity of the liberals is put to the side.

  412. @ dead rabbit it is sad that there seems to be some great need for political courage and intellectual honesty to produce ideas and policies grounded in very logical common sense.
    Speaking in extremes and inanity just doesn’t work.

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