Movie Review: Black Mass

I genuinely love organized crime stories.  The politics and maneuvering with entities outside of the organization–and within the organization, the planning and forethought that goes in to any long-term organized venture, and, of course, the merciless violence of a good ol’ fashioned mob war.  Whether it is actual history or fiction, books or film, I just love the genre.  So when I saw the trailer for the film Black Mass so many months ago–and what an incredible trailer it is–I immediately added the title to my “must-watch” list.

Based on a true story, the film stars Johnny Depp as the infamous mobster and fugitive, James “Whitey” Bulger, Joel Edgerton (“Exodus: Gods and Kings”, “Warrior”) as FBI agent, John Connelly, and Benedict Cumberpatch (“The Imitation Game”, “War Horse”) as Massachusetts state senator, Billy Bulger.  It takes place on the streets of South Boston, between 1975 and 1985, ten years after now-notorious “Whitey” Bulger is released from federal prison for armed robbery and truck hijacking as part of the Winter Hill Gang.  In the film, Italian mobsters from North Boston are trying to expand into Bulger’s territory, so “Whitey” devises a plan to become an FBI informant and use the feds to, in his words, “fight our war for us”.  From that point on, the film is largely focused the relationship between “Whitey”, his politician brother, Billy, and agent John Connelly–and the ways those relationships affect their individual interpersonal relationships with others.

Johnny Depp gives a stellar performance in this film, and I am no big fan of Johnny Depp.  Probably due, in no small part, to the makeup, hair, and wardrobe department, I honestly found myself at times forgetting I was watching Johnny Depp.  It probably also helps that I don’t really have any idea what a South Boston accent sounds like, but it sure sounded good to me.  I would not be at all surprised if Depp gets a major award nomination for his work on this one.  And I think it will be well-deserved.

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Unfortunately, the acting and makeup are the high points of the film.  With a setting time period that extends 10 years, the movie does not have enough time to properly develop the intricacies of what I enjoy from the organized crime genre.  The war between the Winter Hill Gang and the Italians is portrayed more as character development than as something important to the plot, the consolidation of power over the South Boston rackets and World Jai Alai is almost an afterthought, and the violence is gratuitous, with many of Bulger’s murders seemingly meaningless to the greater story.  This just was not the type of mob movie I was hoping for.

Ultimately, my disappointment with Black Mass is based on my preconceived high hopes for what I thought it could have been.  It is still worth watching, if only for the marvelous acting, but I would advise saving the price for theater admission and popcorn and waiting for the DVD.  This certainly isn’t the type of film that demands a big screen, but you’ll definitely want to wait until the kids are asleep.

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466 thoughts on “Movie Review: Black Mass

  1. On a somewhat related note, I read Mario Puzo’s “The Godfather” for the first time over my summer break, and followed it up with Ed Falco’s “The Family Corleone”, which was based on a prequel script written by Puzo. Both were excellent reads. I also visited the National Mob Museum in Vegas when I was there last month with the wife. Expensive as hell to get in, even with my teacher discount, but a pretty cool place.

    Did I mention I love the mob genre?

  2. Man Huck, even your lack of a postive review made me want to go see Black Mass. That was a great review.

    Plus a South Boston movie without Damon and Aflack for once….that alone is a draw.

    My Father-in-law only read one book in his his life- The Godfather.

  3. I like the review too. We don’t watch movies now because we spend most of our time with our grand daughter. I want to see the movie, at least on DVD.

    Roots of the Mafia reach back to when it began as a collection of families or clans to combat foreign domination of Sicily and southern Italy.

    Some of my cousins sold bootleg whiskey to Al Capone’s organization. One of Al’s brothers was the sheriff of a town across the river from us. He had previously served as a marshal on an Indian reservation. The brothers’ mother wanted the family to be closer, and they began socializing together.

    At least some of the families had a retirement plan. I knew a child of the family in the Air Force. Once a year, Mafioso visited his uncle’s home for a dinner, and they asked his uncle what he needed. They gave it to him.

  4. Love the mob genre too. To this day, two movies from ’72 and ’74 are two of my all-time favorites, with the original Godfather probably being my favorite movie of all-time, closely followed by the Godfather II. The casting in those movies is incredible.

    I heard that in commenting on the movie, Bulger said he never talked like that. His associates said surprisingly, the real Bulger was quite the gentleman and seldom if ever cursed (when he wasn’t mowing down people in cold blood).

    I was thinking about seeing it for no other reason than I live very close to Southern Hills in Tulsa, the site of perhaps the most famous of the Boston mob killings when the mob blew away Roger Wheeler one sunny day at the golf course as Wheeler walked to his car after a round of golf. Wheeler was CEO of a huge company here in town (Telex) when Tulsa was in its heyday.

  5. “when the mob blew away Roger Wheeler one sunny day at the golf course as Wheeler walked to his car after a round of golf”

    That event is portrayed in the film.

  6. So I wake up this morning to another round of tragedy-porn. Russian plane crashes. More than 200 die. I know it’s a tragedy but do I need hours of fucking coverage with aviation experts conjecturing about what happened? What’s the purpose? To scare the rest of us from flying? Makes no goddam sense.

    Enough!

  7. From the previous thread, the Stubble video was incredible. I’ve seen this “facilitated communication” on tv and I thought it was a thing of the past like Ebonics.

    I take umbrage at only one assertion in the video. I have known more disabled people in my life than most of you have ever even met. The majority of PHYSICALLY disabled people are not mentally retarded. The commentator in the video seemed to say otherwise. With cerebral palsy in particular, what may lead to diminished capacity is negligent academic intervention. The same is true of the deaf. The sooner they are aggressively taught language the better.

    Besides that one comment that pissed me off, the vid was funny and true. I especially like the opening segment about waking from a coma and finding the world upside down – Bruce Jenner is a woman and Dolezal is black. That’s indeed some crazy shit AND it is championed by libs.

  8. As a kid I saw the Godfather, The Valachi Papers and a film I think was called the “7-Ups”. I’m not a huge fan of mob films. In fact, in my old fuddy-duddiness, I gravitate toward documentaries lately. As I get older I have trouble suspending disbelief; films (and TV shows) are people pretending to be other people.

    With that wet towel thrown on the whole thing, I tend to love a plot device more than a genre. It’s the plot device of assembling a team of contrasting personalities to get something done. Examples range from The Andromeda Strain (one of my all time favs) to Oceans 11. If a film starts with a bunch of folks being recruited to a team (some of whom don’t like each other) for some common cause, I’m hooked.

  9. ” As I get older I have trouble suspending disbelief”-R

    Lol! Says the guy who not only believed the utter Obama horse shit, but helped peddle it free of charge for most of the last decade……

  10. “I gravitate toward documentaries lately”

    AMC recently ran an 8-part documentary on The Making of the Mob: New York. It mainly covered Lucky Luciano, from his initial rise all the way to the end, to what eventually became the notorious Gambino crime family (think John Gotti). It was really interesting and well-made.

    I was surprised there was a “National” Mob Museum, let alone a teacher discount to get in. The place is housed in what used to be the Las Vegas post office and courthouse. And with the mob history in Vegas, they made it clear that there had been mob trials and/or hearings in the building. The also have the actual wall from the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre and the barber chair that Albert Anastasia was in when he got “whacked”. From a museum and history aspect it was really well-designed and I enjoyed it very much.

  11. Rutherford, any word on Bernie going after Hillary today for supporting Obama’s decision to put boots on the ground in Syria?

    Whoever thought it was a good idea to put US troops with groups that Russians could be targeting should be the first one off the plane there.

  12. Rutherford, there is a reason for dissecting air plane crashes within reason. It is to insert an element of control to show the crashes were not random events. Something caused them, and once the reason is known, it can be corrected. News organizations over due for ratings, however.

    A platoon leader in Vietnam gathered his men together each time one of their fellows was killed or wounded. He told his men that the casualties happened because the victims had made mistakes or were unobservant. His tactics seemed cruel and unfeeling, but the platoon leader gave his men hope that if they avoided mistakes they would make it home.

  13. I agree with Huck. I am still glad I did what I could to persuade our children from joining the military.

    The Mafia and Vikings have some vague similarities, though the Norse invaders were more aggressive while the proto- Mafia organizations were a defense against foreign occupiers. The basic units of both were tribal or family clans. Both operated under strict rules of honor and enforced their codes with death or expulsion. Some of my ancestors were enforcers in the outer Hebredes, and a similar function was available to the Mafia.

    Aside from their brutality, both groups were basically nice, moral people–probably better people than most of our leaders.

  14. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put US troops with groups that Russians could be targeting should be the first one off the plane there.

    Agreed. I haven’t heard anything from Bernie but I haven’t been paying attention today.

    As usual the Obama admin is being opaque about what boots on the ground means.

  15. Lib commentator Emily Brazelon (sp) makes a point most of you won’t like. Marco looked at the camera Wednesday night in the debate and outright lied about his finances. She conjectured what a Rubio admin would be like with him brazenly lying to the American people.

    Yes, yes, I know … Obama, Obama, Obama. So worst case you’ll get a GOP Hispanic Obama.

  16. “As usual the Obama admin is being opaque about what boots on the ground means.”

    It means 1 pair more than whoever many sends someplace.

    He’s sending these guys into a war zone, where they are just as likely to get killed by Russians as they are by Syrians or ISIS.

    And I don’t recall hearing about any congressional debate about it.

  17. AMC recently ran an 8-part documentary on The Making of the Mob: New York. It mainly covered Lucky Luciano, from his initial rise all the way to the end, to what eventually became the notorious Gambino crime family (think John Gotti). It was really interesting and well-made.

    Agreed. I actually took the time to watch those and found them very interesting.

  18. And make no mistake, those rebels are not rebelling against ISIS, they are rebelling against Syria.

    Sending those troops there is the same as declaring war on Assad. I don’t care it it’s 50, 500, or 50,000.

    The numbers always start out small, and they are always called “advisors”

  19. President Peace Prize has declared war on the same number of regimes as President War Criminal, and not once has he asked for or received congressional approval.

    Where is Code Pink?

    Where is Lurker?

  20. Yes, the constitution clearly states that Pentagon approval is required when going to war.

    That wasn’t my point. I was simply suggesting Obama isn’t going rogue.

  21. Does the Pentagon make a habit of stating it is not in favor of military actions ordered by a president?

    I don’t think it does the troops any good to hear that 1 of their bosses doesn’t approve of their mission, and I think the Pentagon knows that. It’s not the Pentagon’s job to 2nd guess orders. It’s their job to make plans for when orders come down.

    Obama is making a bad mistake with this. Way worse than Libya. And I say that because it opens the door for the next administration. Hillary is more hawkish than he is. She’ll double down in order to show her balls are bigger than her ovaries.

  22. “Huck, I thought you figured out by now, liberal wars are righteous. Conservative wars are criminal.”

    I don’t even think it’s that. I don’t think the left thinks its wars are righteous, I think they are afraid to speak against them because of the “optics”. They don’t want their team to look bad. So they remain silent.

    American men will die in Syria and Lurker won’t say jack shit.

  23. I’ll give you credit for 1 thing, Rutherford. You’ve gone on record speaking against things Obama has done. That is more than I can say for ANY (and I mean that quite literally) other lefty that has ever posted here. I cannot remember even 1 that has ever spoken ill of an Obama action or policy.

    I think your right-leaning patrons keep you at least partially honest, because you know we’ll hold you to it later. Muffy’s comment searches have great power.

  24. I hate Halloween and always have.

    In 6th grade, the nicest kid in our school, got almost beat to death for his bag of candy. Fires would still be burning through out Detroit. We even had to be aware of arson in the suburb I lived in…..a few blocks over would sometimes be burning.

    Then you had the over-hyped but anxiety causing threat of people putting shit in the candy.

    Now its my son’s peanut allergy. Makes it all a nervous pain in the ass.

    Halloween is the only community holiday we have, when you think about it. And I hate it. Not sure what that says about me.

  25. My memory may be wrong, but I think I wrote once after Obama was elected that one day, Rutherford and we would agree on more issues than we did at the time because Rutherford was more tolerant and thoughtful than the average leftist. I was right.

    Liberals like Code Pink,much of our press, the Helen and Margaret group, and Lurker are a cancer destroying our society. They are blind, malicious, and bigoted. They are the same type of people who sent some of my generation to Southeast Asia, undercut our effort, and later threw the people we were helping to the wolves. We did not lose the Vietnam War. The left abandoned people we promised to help and left them standing outside of our embassy for rescue which never came.

    Relics of the time still exist in the bodies of Kerry, Clinton, and Obama who learned from his older mentors. Sending a few sacrificial lambs into dangerous places is what they do. They don’t care about our soldiers. They care about what looks good.

    It is easier to make a police action than to declare war. Presidents can bypass Congress if they don’t ask for a declaration of war.

    That is why I would still support Rubio against Hillary or Sanders. He might be another lying politician, but he would not hate our country as those people do, and his administration would not support racists as this administration and its allies do.

  26. The lead singer survived child abuse, and he wrote a song describing the emotions created by the mistreatment and its aftermath. “Shout” described a type of therapy he used to recover. The back up singers are basically props to show the face of abuse. They were all survivors of some sort of violence or abuse.

    I am not trying to equate the two, but there are similarities between parental and national damage and hurt.

  27. It still turns my stomach. I used to post on Moveon.org. They were sure Kerry would win and they were gloating about the pain poor saps who voted for Bush were feeling. Slowly, they became confused, and later suffered real pain as it slowly unwound. How could such things be? Some friends felt the same. I didn’t say anything.

    I couldn’t sleep that night. I was too happy gloating to myself.

  28. Many of the Middle Eastern migrants who actually survived violence are the same as the people in the video. The same people who committed this atrocity are the spiritual bretheran of our current leaders and news sellers.

  29. I have never until this moment listened closely to that Tears for Fears song. Always thought it was a catchy tune, but just mouthed the lyrics and sang the stanza. Interesting.

    James, you had some damn good comments on the last post, by the way.

  30. You know why I think many Leftists don’t defend BO like they used to? Their hearts not in the sting of battle anymore.

    Some of them have moved on to the corrupt bureaucrat Hillary Shrew – next move in the political chess match. More of them I meet like Rutherford seem sickened that Barack’s actions couldn’t match his lofty rhetoric. I think deep down, they feel a little duped and now find perhaps Feel the Bern the way to turn because they’re still idealists of a utopian dream.

    These more honest Leftists won’t admit this, but those like “R” I believe are embarrassed by Obama. They know he’s a sham, not a terribly nice person, and now they see the narcissist many of us saw back in 2008. Throw in BO is half black, considered black, it’s like finding your house was built on sand.

  31. Huck, you revived some old emotions. For those of you too young, you need to see what our leaders did to people who trusted us. You already have seen the carnage in the Middle East. The same people of different generations have committed the same acts, and they have lied as abusive parents lie to their children. And some of you were too ignorant to keep them out of power.

    I am glad I live where I am where Halloween is still celebrated as good fun. The rotting society near rabbit’s home is part of the cancer infecting us.

  32. The White House

    @WhiteHouse

    President Obama: “I will not put American boots on the ground in #Syria. I will not pursue an open-ended action like Iraq or Afghanistan.”
    9:09 PM – 10 Sep 2013

  33. The left doesn’t say jack about Obama’s wars or Obama’s lies or Obama’s stupidity because Obama would get their vote again.

    They still think he doesnt know about all the corruption under his management.

  34. I can take or leave the mobster genre although I find even at its most brutal depiction there is still way too much romanticizing of the reality.
    I read the cry baby deal maker Daily Beast piece and am as unimpressed with it as I am with any of the dealmakers.
    The New England mafia was for all intents run out of Rhode Island on a loose leash from NYC. That covered the Italians. The Italians fucked themselves by targeting a federal judge and that probably had a synergistic action to the FBI + Whitey operation.
    the Winter Hill gang hailed from Somerville and was an odd mix of non made guys. Salemme aka “Cadillac Frank” and Flemme aka “Shotgun” were class A thugs who’s power came from ruthlessness. They had old school connections in the neighborhoods they lived in. Their streets always got plowed and NOBODY fucked around in their neighborhoods or with cars that looked like theirs. This actually was a positive for the law abiding citizens in those neighborhoods.
    I heavily discount Weeks whining in that in very specific corners Bulger had juice via contacts that Frank and Stevie liked more than any occasion Whitey got pissy. Great local lore is how Whitey somehow won the Lottery while on the run. The cops and feds were all over this little corner market that had the winning ticket. It was funny.
    Billy was a tough guy even though he came off really prissy sometimes. I loved watching Bill Weld work him.
    I don’t know the motivation of the Black Mass book,screenplay etc. but I imagine it had more to do with getting a look at the weird little world of what when push came to shove was a powerful but small slice of metro Boston thuggery. Obviously “Frank Costello” from the movie The Departed had some of the Whitey lore strokes to it.
    Another thing from a local perspective is where the Italians actually existed. Much like Capone was actually in Cicero and not Chicago the local Guineas hailed north of Boston in Revere,Everett,Medford,Malden,Lynn and Saugus. Short time they were in Chelsea.

  35. I loathe that Halloween has become the US holiday.I think it speaks volumes to how the tribe desires communal activity and civic happenings but are too wishy washy when it comes to supporting the non-secular and patriotic stuff.I think a tribe so weak is a tribe that is beatable and I think radical islamists,Chinese and perhaps Russians believe it too.

  36. I’m interested in knowing if the next batch of “advisors” are forward observer types. If they are I think its actually sound and not something to be vague about (most transparent administration mmmpph) at all.
    No matter what one thinks is the cause of it our regional “allies” are not to be trusted. If we want to drop ordnance on the right spots we unfortunately need to risk our people. The real question isn’t about boots,it should be about goals and means and interests.

  37. “The real question isn’t about boots,it should be about goals and means and interests.”

    Aren’t those really the same questions? The left blasted Bush because he sent guys to Iraq without clear goals. And now here we are sending guys to Syria, being told what they are supposedly being sent to do, but having no idea as to their goals or what the end-game for them is.

  38. “Obama pulls a move on Assad that will make his Libyan strategy look wise and what do we hear? Rubio lied.”

    -Muffy

    Yeah….this is what bugs the shit out of me about R too.

    He pretty much abandoned Obama out of necessity, will casually concede his corruption and incompetence but never brings the shit up on his own.

    For a guy who supposedly loves politics….a guy so emotional over Obama in 2008, so convinced Obama would fix all the wrongs of Bush, many of them total fucking illusions on Rutherford’s part, you would think he would be full of piss abd viniger.

    But….his main motivation for taking the time to peck out words on the computer or phone are gripes with Republican canidates.

    There is a beta passive aggressiveness about defeated Rutherford that I find almost as nauseating as cult memeber Obamaist R.

  39. Thanks Tex.

    Bush did have clear goals when we invaded Iraq. We would remove Sadam Hussein and transform Iraq into a democratic beacon in the heartland of Muslim territory. Rumsfeld’s light foot print strategy didn’t work so well, nor did our firing the military and local officials. For a time, our soldiers who know little of legality or of the culture were reduced to settling local disputes. Unrealistic goals are as dangerous as no goals.

    To be fair, the administration tried to rectify its mistakes and changed course sufficiently to let Obama claim we had won the war before he threw it away.

    Obama’s strategy is as aimless as LBJ’s lackluster passivity in Viet Nam. He was more interested in being a Democratic president who didn’t lose a war than he was in victory. Compared to the Nixon strategy, LBJ’s was a wimp. Final negotiations didn’t materialize until Nixon bombed the stuffing out of the North. Most of the Northern leaders thought they had lost the war.

    Obama is even weaker and blinder than LBJ. Those of you who put this man and his minions into office owe the rest of us and the people they unwittingly killed or dislocated an apology at least. Shame on you.

    History is repeating itself. Obama has turned us back into a paper tiger as the Chinese called us. Attitudes and perceptions have long-term effects. Victory and defeat create unexpected consequences. I believe our battle with Muslims in its current form was indirectly caused by our creating a defeat in Southeast Asia,

  40. “Bush did have clear goals when we invaded Iraq…”

    Disagree.

    The WMD line and the short-sightedness of leaving arguably the hardest part for the next president expecting that president to finish the job was unclear at best.

  41. Thanks, alfie for your Mafia comments. They could be organized into a soap opera.

    Al Capone claimed he turned to crime because he faced discrimination as an Italian. His anger in school and later as he wanted to find a job parallels the rage Sami singer Mari Boine felt in Norwegian schools when she learned what had been done to her people. She said a volcano was inside of her and it had to get out. Jessie James’ hatred of northerners after northern mistreatment of his family was another volcano, Lord Selkirk was a boy when American sailors took over his parents Scotish home during the War of 1812. They mistreated the family, and Lord Selkirk vowed he would do what he could to keep the United States from taking over Canada.

    Some stayed within the law while others didn’t. I wonder why. Anger is a powerful force for good and evil.

  42. Bush did have clear goals. They were poorly implemented and probably unrealistic, but they were goals. Thomas Friedman supported Bush’s reasoning though he thought people would be sophisticated enough to understand the nuances of a foreign invasion without throwing WMD into the mix. WMD were hardly relevant, but they became so because the majority of voters didn’t understand why we should go to war unless we were directly threatened.

    We attacked Iraq to implement a geopolitical theory. That was the goal, and a military attack from such gauzey motives is a bad idea.

    The WMD was a ploy to frighten people into supporting the war. It was ancillary to the main purpose, but it morphed into a symbol for the war and its failure when few weapons were found.

    I opposed the war at the time because Afghanistan was still dangerous. I only supported it after our family members and others we know were sucked into the malestrom. We will pay for the mistake for years.

  43. Twelve years armchair quarterbacking, here’s my take on the Iraq War. The war was noble, the justification for removing Hussein was there without even the requirement of WMD, though I think some of that went to Syria which the world will learn one day. However, the war after the first 21 days was conducted incredibly poorly. This is what happens when you fight politically correct wars and let the government decide how to conduct a war. Hopefully, we have now learned you go to war to win and you don’t hang around to rebuild nations. This wasn’t WWII.

    But I would remind my critics from the Left who after seven years of massive failure under the guidance of the Nobel Peace Prize winner:

    If Barack Obama is right and we could have simply controlled Saddam Hussein instead of removing Saddam Hussein, then Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton owe the world a huge explanation of why while they have been in charge of the United States gov’t, we have watched them assist one brutal dictator after another being removed without so much as trial, then followed by the country quickly falling apart.

    If Barack Obama believes that removing brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein was a huge mistake, then he should immediately rescind his opinions, admitting he and Hillary Clinton were and are wrong about Bashar al-Assad being removed.

    There are far, far more dissidents and death now occurring under the command of Barack Obama across this world then there ever were under George Bush. This is why I say the American military are only political fodder to the Left to use as ammunition.

    At best, Barack Obama is George Bush’s lackey. The only ones left with any credibility would then be Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul.

  44. “American men will die in Syria and Lurker won’t say jack shit.”

    Jack Shit, Jack Shit and ………JAAACK SHIIIIIT!

    You don’t know jack shit about what I think.

  45. I knew the real goal of the invasion and so did Thomas Freidman. He was one of the few liberals who defended the invasion. Anyone who didn’t understand the real plan wasn’t looking beyond the WMD subtrafuge. Bush didn’t suddenly decide to invade Iraq to get good press or for some other silly reason. He had a plan doomed to fail without a WW11 style invasion and occupation.

    Well well Lurker, you have returned for a moment. What you say about Jack’s crap don’t mean nothing now if you voted for these people. Your comment implies you may have second thoughts.

    It is too late for that. Assuming you voted Democratic, you are in a small way responsible for any future deaths of our soldiers there and for the carnage which drove scores of thousands of people to Europe. I don’t know how you voted or didn’t vote, but if you voted for Obama blood is dripping from your hands, and no amount of water will wash it off.

  46. “The National Security Archive Part One, The US Prepares for Conflict” describes the war and early plans. Decapitation of the government was Bush’s primary goal, and the White House had been planing the invasion as early as two months after we invaded Afghanistan. Only an invasion would accomplish the mission.

    The original plan was to use an Iraqi force as public relations cover and to install an Iraqi government. As I wrote earlier, someone discarded that plan in favor of ruling Iraq directly. 9/11 was less “motivation for the invasion than a distraction.”

    In 1998, Bill Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act and announced regime change as official US policy.

  47. If the American people did not understand the “goal,” then the goal wasn’t clear.

    If the Bush admin didn’t foresee that the next president could undo every gain then the goal wasn’t clear.

  48. Halloween is the only community holiday we have, when you think about it. And I hate it. Not sure what that says about me.

    I have hated Halloween ever since I transitioned from beggar to begged at.

  49. Obama pulls a move on Assad that will make his Libyan strategy look wise and what do we hear? Rubio lied.

    You’re mixing apples and oranges. In a discussion about Obama policies, “Rubio lied” is a stupid response. When discussing who should be the next leader of the free world, “Rubio lied” bears some examination.

  50. Thanks for the research, Rutherford. I knew about primal theropy, but I had forgotten Janov’s name or even if he was still alive.

    I told you about the Finnish woman Lotta whom I have met. She and a friend decided to go trick or treating in their neighborhood when they were ten. They wore masks and costumes and knocked on doors. The first man asked what they were doing. He had no candy, and he didn’t know anything about Halloween.

    They appologised for bothering him and started to leave. He hesitated and asked “can you take money?’ “Yes.” They spent the rest of the evening taking money from the neighbors.

  51. I was responding to Huck’s writing that Bush had no clear goals in Iraq. I showed that he did. Regime change and destroying WMD were clear and well-known. The underlying motives were less clear and as vague as a history department discussion, but they provided a framework for the invasion.

    Clarity has little to do with theoretical predictions of a future administration. No one could have predicted what came after Bush.

    Obama had clear goals too, but he appears to have been ignorant of possible events after the initial deed.

  52. Swedish Foreign Minister claims the country is ‘facing collapse’ because of the mass influx of refugees.

    I don’t get it. Are you saying Bernie’s economic policies mean ipso facto that we would be overrun by refugees? Please connect the dots for me.

    If Sweden has a devastating earthquake, does that mean emulating their economic system will cause us to have a devastating earthquake?

  53. “I was responding to Huck’s writing that Bush had no clear goals in Iraq.”

    I know. And by your definition Obama has clear goals also.

    “Clarity has little to do with theoretical predictions of a future administration. No one could have predicted what came after Bush.”

    It’s not about predictions. It’s about executing on a plan that leaves too much to the next administration. The opposition to the Iraq war was loud and clear.

  54. Tex you have said one true thing. Egypt and Libya are Obama’s Iraq. He went and did the very thing he said Bush was wrong to do.

    I do believe Obama took us from the brink of depression and that Obamacare is an unfinished story. But on foreign policy, O is an amateur. It’s not a good story. And Huck is right; Hillary will make matters ten times worse. (But so will all the GOP Hawks.)

  55. If Sweden has a devastating earthquake, does that mean emulating their economic system will cause us to have a devastating earthquake?

    What? Earthquakes and refugees and you want to accuse someone of mixing apples and oranges? 😆 😆

    No, blockhead. What I’m demonstrating is that Sweden, that bastion of Bernie’s idea of utopia, is facing economic chaos on account of refugees. Yet somehow, Occupy Congress Bernie wants us to believe that illegal refugees are actually beneficial to the American economy (cough cough).

    What I am saying is that if any of the Nordic countries were asked to deal with the multitude of issues America has to address, including protecting the free world, Nordic countries would sink like a rock.

  56. Bush did execute a plan to stabilize Iraq. He intended to leave an occupying force in country for several years. Obama changed the plan. I think Bush was too optimistic and should have maintained a much larger occupying force, but he did have a plan to extend into the next administration.

    Much of the anti -war sentiment resulted from what the public regarded as our entering the war under false pretenses. The rest was politically motivated to win elections. If it weren’t people would be marching in the streets now, and network news stories would list the dead when soldiers were still being killed regularly.

    Anti- war protests were insufficient reason to change policies.

    I did write that Obama had clear goals too, but they seem to have failed to study less immediate implications for their plans.They wanted to depose the Middle Eastern dictators, but then what?

  57. Meddlers. Out of all the people that still suck air, this one sucks the most.

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said that George Soros, an American billionaire and human rights advocate, was responsible for the ongoing refugee crisis. Soros belongs to a group of “activists” that encourages migrants to head to Europe and thus intentionally aggravates the situation, Orban said.

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/10/31/crisis-by-design-hungarian-pm-reveals-social-engineering-role-of-george-soros-in-eu-refugee-run/

  58. Angela Merkle also thinks or did think that the new immigrants would replace the unborn German generation and help keep the social programs running. Like Bernie, she has miscalculated. One German town of about 250 or so has been asked to take in 750 Muslims. Sweden is also suffering from the heavy influx as welfare costs and criminality grow. In the US, a study shows that Georgia has a higher crime rate because of illegal immigrants, many of whom have returned after being deported.

    Obama may or may not have taken us from the brink of depression, but he left the economy sputtering with about a hundred million people out of the job market.

  59. “You don’t know jack shit about what I think.”

    You’re correct. Which I why I did not comment on what you think, I commented on what you will and won’t say. And since you have thus far shown a complete unwillingness to criticize Barack Obama in any way, shape, or form, I think my assessment was spot on.

  60. When I wrote “The left blasted Bush because he sent guys to Iraq without clear goals.” I was speaking to what the left was saying about Bush and goals.

  61. I misunderstood you, Huck. Never mind.

    I wish you had written what I thought you wrote. Arguing would have been more fun,

  62. The decision to do a regime change in Iraq predated the Bush administration. With Bush elected, it became much more feasible. That is what has been shown from the evidence.

    Evidence given at the opening day of the inquiry, chaired by the former top civil servant Sir John Chilcot, painted a picture of a Whitehall slowly realising the significance of George Bush’s election in November 2000 on US policy towards Iraq.

    Even before Bush’s administration came to power an article written by his then national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, warned that “nothing will change” in Iraq until Saddam was gone, Sir Peter Ricketts, a former chairman of the joint intelligence committee (JIC) and now the Foreign Office’s top official, told the inquiry.

    “We were aware of these drumbeats from Washington and internally we discussed it. Our policy was to stay away from that part of the spectrum,” added Sir William Patey, then head of the Middle East department at the Foreign Office.

    Even Hillary’s emails have revealed Blair agreeing to work with the Bush administration to convince Britain to get behind regime change and invade Iraq. That was a year before the invasion. This ‘coincidentally’ followed PNAC’s stated plans which followed the Yinon plan. Iraq was only the first in line for regime change. They began an intense propaganda campaign…

    Moreover, voices in Washington were starting to link the Iraqi leader to al-Qaida. Ricketts said Britain had no evidence showing Iraq was “linked in any way to 9/11”. He added: “We didn’t have any such evidence.”

    Neocons in the Bush administration and the CIA claimed in the run-up to the invasion that Saddam was linked to al-Qaida, a claim dismissed at the time by MI6

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/24/iraq-war-chilcot-inquiry

    So there was a goal and it was achieved. They simply couldn’t state it publicly because of its illegal nature. Since, the laws have changed significantly enough to cover over the tracks.

  63. Well, I hate to admit to a lack of sophistication BUT I lack the sophistication to discern exactly HOW we jigger with the Scandinavian model to make our country a better place to live.

    I think America has a character flaw known as NIH (Not invented here) syndrome. We resist adapting other models because it can be harder work than sticking with the familiar.

    I refuse to believe we have nothing to learn from democratic socialist models.

  64. He intended to leave an occupying force in country for several years.

    James, that’s flat out untrue. Obama executed Bush’s plan. We can argue that he should not have but we cannot argue that Bush put the withdrawal in motion.

  65. Before we go bonkers about Obama getting deeper in Syria without congressional approval, could we remember what happened with the red line? Obama went to Congress for permission to go after Assad and was told no. Then everyone got pissed that he did nothing.

    Congress is complicit in this shit. They LOVE Obama acting unilaterally because they don’t want voters judging them on a decision to escalate or go to war. They would MUCH rather whine “Obama never asked us” than say “we authorized Obama to send your kids to die to take out Assad”.

  66. We can argue that he should not have but we cannot argue that Bush put the withdrawal in motion.

    To be clear, we cannot argue that Bush did NOT put the withdrawal in motion. He did.

  67. Fred Thompson, RIP. I really liked him as a character actor.

    Just finished the first episode of “Narcos” on Netflix – I guess it was a Netflix original. It was actually pretty good. Reminds me a little like The Making of the Mob. Only instead of the mob, this is Pablo Escabar and the Medellin drug cartel.

  68. Rutherford, you know damn good and well that Obama knew damn good and well he wasn’t going to get approval. That’s WHY he asked for approval.

    He wanted cover for a lack of action he never wanted, anyway. Because, as you keep reminding us, the whole red line was off-the-cuff.

    You also know damn good and well that this is all about him trying to save face while Putin is making him look like a punk bitch.

    Obama is going to get men killed so that his ego can save a few points. And Lurker made sure to come here and tell me what I don’t know about her, but couldn’t manage a few more keystrokes to condemn Obama on this issue.

  69. @ Rutherford Obama did not take us from the brink of depression -he gave Big Business a blind to hide behind & continue their hi jinx. PPACA is only an unfinished story in that the damage it has and will continue to do to the patient/consumer is still rolling out.

  70. Huck you’re all over the place on Syria and I just don’t understand it. There isn’t a person on this board willing to offer a thoughtful analysis of Obama’s policies in Syria,Yemen and Iraq and that’s a shame. The Right especially has been preoccupied with lying to itself just to knock O and that is an even bigger shame.

    Let’s be clear…. we should never have gotten involved with Syria’s Civil War. That we helped evolve a proxy war there is a sin no US politician is going public with. That the Congress and Administration took the easy position of refusing heavy involvement and “boots” is more about what the electorate was willing to tolerate and the spinners capable of spinning. That our regional allies are after decades of US blood,sweat,tears and dollars incapable and corrupt is no single Presidents fault. In truth people should applaud Obama for showing that the world should learn to step up instead of waiting for US to solve or take blame for all their problems.
    I concede it is an uncomfortable position but a position of reality is not to be confused with a position of weakness. If Iraq is to stabilize it will be only secondary to the Iraqis themselves putting aside sectarian bullshit and embracing some sort of federalism. If Syria is to survive Assad will need to stay a while and the proxy war of Saudis,Turks and Iranians need to end. Also all the opposition forces,none of which are capable of ruling a Syria nation need to be sidelined. Ultimately Syrians need to move on this and hopefully take all their countrymen back from abroad.

    Alas the international community and specifically #1 leash dropping USA should unite in a allied effort to crush ISIL and that should then conclude our exploits in the region.

  71. Bush put the withdrawal in motion, I think in part because he was under political pressure. However, he planned to leave an occupying force for a longer period.. Giving an enemy specific dates is foolish.

    USA Today 2/25/2003 Army Chief; Force to occupy Iraq to be massive” Maybe several hundred thousand troops. In 2005, the ambassador to Iraq said the US would comply with a UN resolution declaring that the occupation force would leave if requested by the iraqi government.

    In May, 2007, “144 Iraq Parliamentary lawmakers signed onto a legislative provision calling on the US to set a timetable for withdrawal.” In June, the Iraqi parliament voted to require the government to consult with Parliament before requesting additional extensions.(History of Iraq 2003-11) In 2007, they asked the allies to set a time table for withdrawal after the victory against insurgents which secured Iraq.

    The Bush administration had signed the Status of Forces Agreement in the belief that the next administration would be able to renegotiate and extend the agreement. “So the Obama administration (which had originally opposed the war) declared victory.. and said the US was withdrawing. when in reality, all reasonable defense analysts concluded that it made sense for the US to continue to have a substantial presence in Iraq…” (Why did President Obama insist on not leaving an occupying force in Iraq when he was warned that if he did not, a group worse than the one that was there before would take over?”)

    On December 12, 2011 (Detainee in Iraq Poses a Dilemma as US exit Nears” The New York times reported that Obama planned to leverage the three to one American approval of withdrawal from Iraq while blaming Bush for the war. Republicans claimed that Obama was endangering national security by pulling out of Iraq too soon. He should have persuaded the Iraqis to let our forces stay beyond the deadline Bush agreed to. That had been Bush’s unofficial plan. A large minority wanted our occupying force to remain, and some who wanted us to leave secretly hoped we would stay.

    We had the power and the money. We could have bribed and threatened the Iraqis to let our troops stay longer and argued that our departure would put their political and physical lives in danger as it did. The main stopping point was Iraqis’ demand that they could charge our military and security forces with crimes. We could have negotiated beyond that line.

    So now you see that I was not wrong. Obama wanted us out of the “bad war’ and he knew his decision was politically popular at the time.He shrugged his shoulders as he does with bad news and asked “what could I have done. it is beyond me.” Obama had just cleaned the mess Bush created and ironically made an even bigger mess.

  72. We can learn from socialist systems, that they don’t work after as Margaret Thatcher said, they run out of other people’s money.

    Germain Greer has been saying the same thing for years. Richard Dawkins said it right. Such a person as Jenner is not a woman, but courtesy dictates that we recognize her title if she chooses to live as the opposite sex.

    The scale is a little hazier with genetic anomolies such as xxy, xxxyyy, or xy people who can’t process male hormones. Another is xo One of the Cimerelli sisters, singers from Sacramento is a Turner’ Syndrome xo intersex as is one of my in laws.

    After my experience with grad school, I want nothing more to do with such bigoted institutions.

    Huck, you wrote such a good review, I wonder what you think of Dusk til Dawn. Quentin Tarantino wrote the script, and it was filmed with non-union labor. As we know, police unions are boycotting Tarantino after his anti -police protest.

    I agree, we should not have been involved in Syria’s civil war as we should not have been involved in regime change in other Middle East countries. Syria did not fall as the others did because they had powerful Iranian and Russian allies. Destruction of ISIS should be our main goal, and we shouldn’t draw any more red lines we are unwilling to enforce. We should fight as the Russians are doing.

  73. Alfie, I’m not sure how you figure I am all over the board in Syria. I thought I have made myself clear through it all that the time to have done anything about Assad was when I was watching him shell peaceful protesters on live video feeds every night. Once things turned from protest to civil war, it was too late. I didn’t give Obama a hard time because he didn’t enforce his red line. I gave him a hard time because he issued a ultimatum he wasn’t prepared to enforce. The folly was the red line, not the non-enforcement of it.

    And now he is sending in this silly force to “train” rebels (which we have already tried and admitted failure), who are just as likely to be bombed by Russia as they are to be attacked by ISIS. And all for the purpose of trying to save face. The weakness he is showing is his ego, not his balls.

    I was never in favor of us sending a single man into Syria, so I don’t know how echoing that not is any kind of contradiction.

    There isn’t much to analyze in Syria. Keep the hell out of it. It doesn’t require a big bunch of words or thought.

    “Huck, you wrote such a good review, I wonder what you think of Dusk til Dawn. Quentin Tarantino wrote the script”

    I don’t care for Tarantino and it has nothing to do with his politics.

  74. @ Huck so are you now an advocate for non-intervention and perhaps even isolationism?
    See part of the problem of 8 years of thread dialog is that you really don’t get a true picture of anyone.
    I think regards Syria there is a lot more afoot on an overall policy front than people think about.

  75. “That our regional allies are after decades of US blood,sweat,tears and dollars incapable and corrupt is no single Presidents fault.”

    I am in agreement

  76. “I am quite bereft that I lost the emoticons from my latest old new berry. Is there anyway I can add them?” — Hillary Clinton

    That quote brings up a question of the need for tech savvy in a POTUS. In some of HRC’s emails it was noted that she had to rely on her aide, Huma Abedin to show her how to negotiate receiving a secure fax. We are to assume that Abedin had top security clearance ?!?

    Maybe it was too complicated for HRC to have two emails accounts.

  77. The new campaign slogan… a whole new political rhetoric

    A KY hopeful states: “It’s kind of like gun rights,” he said. “Everybody thinks there’s no way they can take their guns away. Then all of a sudden they start seeing some infringement on their gun rights. Now they’re thinking, ‘Oh wow, if they can put her in jail because she doesn’t believe in this morally, then why can’t they take our guns away?’

    Politics never cease to amaze me . I guess this is as good a way to get the hunters out of the hills to vote!!

  78. AA (cough cough) signing those signatures epitomizes why the greater black community is not only hapless but hopeless.

    Who gives a shit if their schools fail? They deserve to fail. Let them live like animals. That’s what they are. Obviously, I am not talking about our blog host and company.

    What was the statistic I recently read. About 19 out of 20 of the public education students in the Detroit inner city can’t read or do math proficiently? Reverting to Africa. It’s their nature, I guess.

    And these a_holes are worried a cop flips a two-bit shithead of her seat when she won’t get off the phone and hits him in the head to boot? I would have pulled her out the door by her nappy hair and kicked her ass right out the door with a steel-toed boot and my pistol pointed at her head.

    It’s a disgrace the cop was fired. They should fire the police chief for gutlessness.

    If the white cops had any sense at all across this country, they would immediately band together and announce (like they have Tarantino) they will no longer patrol black neighborhoods, schools, Freaknik or anything else predominately black. Not lift a f’ing finger to help. If there’s a black involved in any crime, they aren’t going to do shit. Law of the jungle.

  79. Obama is going to get men killed so that his ego can save a few points.

    This is conjecture from an academic and any response I might give is conjecture from a politics hobbyist.

    The problem with FP is that we are lied to for various reasons. Sometimes it’s truly a matter of national security. Other times it IS something as banal as ego.

    We have had boots in Syria before this latest announcement. I honestly don’t know if the spin we are getting is ego driven or something else.

  80. Obama did not take us from the brink of depression -he gave Big Business a blind to hide behind & continue their hi jinx.

    You also are mixing apples and oranges. I’m not addressing means. I’m saying look at objective indicators (jobs lost per quarter) and you cannot deny the fact we are better off then in 2009.

  81. Bravo to Alfie’s comment on Syria and Iraq. In particular:

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    If Iraq is to stabilize it will be only secondary to the Iraqis themselves putting aside sectarian bullshit and embracing some sort of federalism.

    And that was just one gem.

  82. “@ Huck so are you now an advocate for non-intervention and perhaps even isolationism?”

    To some extent, yes. But I prefer to apply those policies on a case-by-case basis, rather than in general.

    I would sing a different tune if we were inserting even a very large force into Iraq, with the goal of driving ISIS northward into Syria in sort of an uncoordinated pincer movement, where the multiple forces helping Assad could meet them. But I am against even 50 men in Syria. There are different dynamics in play between those 2 countries and I think Syria, for the US, is a loser.

    Of course, Obama will never insert a large force into Iraq, because of his history on that topic. To him, adjustments mean he had previously made a mistake. And Obama does not admit mistakes.

  83. “Emily, HRC may indeed be a tech idiot. Her “wipe the server clean with a cloth” joke may have been less joke than we’d like to believe.”

    Bereft of emoticons? Gimme a break. That sounds like it was a planted email.

    And if it weren’t, it ought to disqualify her from office. That was our damn SOS who wants to be president. I’ll bet the left finds it endearing ’cause that’s how fucked up their allegiance is to her.

  84. You also are mixing apples and oranges. I’m not addressing means. I’m saying look at objective indicators (jobs lost per quarter) and you cannot deny the fact we are better off then in 2009

    2008 Debt $10.5 Trillion
    2017 Est Debt $20.3 Trillion

    Food stamps 46% higher
    Record # of families in poverty
    Lowest Workforce Participation Rates in 40 years
    Middle Class Wages down 4.6%

    There was no recovery. The unemployment no.s complete and utter B.S..

    No, we are not better off. Not even remotely close.

  85. And if it weren’t, it ought to disqualify her from office.

    But you do raise an interesting point. We could fill several discussion threads with our opinions of what qualifies a person for POTUS but do we all agree there is a minimum tech literacy that the prez should possess in 2015? I’m leaning toward yes but I’m an old geezer who made an effort to stay technical. I have sympathy for those my age and older who haven’t.

  86. Tex I think the common consensus among those smarter than you and I in economic matters is that we have had a weak recovery but a recovery nevertheless.

    I also think one has to measure it Wall Street vs Main Street.

  87. “Huck just out of curiosity, were you a fan of the old Untouchables series?”

    No, that’s a bit before my time and grandpa was into westerns, not gangsters.

  88. Is this the result of reading multiple years of Poolman?

    No, Rutherford. By his own admission, Tigre doesn’t read my stuff. If you recall he assigned zero value to his posts, but I usually read him – in a thurmish sort of way. 😆 It does amuse me.

    Isn’t it obvious by now that you cannot trust anything told us by the government or its media? In a sane world, liars wouldn’t be boss of us. Based on my investigation, it isn’t proving to be a sane world. Of course there will be snipe hunts, goose chases, and squirrels. Par for the course.

  89. Tex I think the common consensus among those smarter than you and I in economic matters is that we have had a weak recovery but a recovery nevertheless.

    Your economists. Shills like Paul Krugman. Those you favor to tell you what you want to hear. If we had a recovery, why are middle class wages falling? Why is the work force participation rates lower than the day Bush walked out of office? Why are food stamp rolls 50% higher? Want me to go on?

  90. “Your paranoia is beginning to disturb me.”

    Why? She’s a proven corrupt liar.

    I have no idea if the emoticon emails are a plant.

    They are to her advantage in a weird way.

    The MSM loves it because it creates this image of a cute and benign Hillary inbox when the exact opposite is true.

    And the left is full of ignorant or evil fucks. So that kind of thing works.

    The Benghazi cover up was exactly what we said it was as it fucking went down real time! Real. Time. Were we paranoid then too? Where were you back then R? Oh I remember.

    Bergdahl was exactly what we said it was, real time! On and on and on

    All of it. Live and direct!

    All documented at this embaressing swan song at the end of your sheltered life. The Rutherford Lawson Blog!

    What does it feel like to be duped by what amounted to be a cult like sect?

    So mad at you and the millions of your fuck wad friends. The damage you fucks unleashed spans local police stations all the way to middle east anarchy.

    If the earth was a place of justice….you should be flogged, Rutherford. Or guns should be popping off as you people kill yourselves in some bunker, Downfall style.

    You deserve to get your ass kicked. You really do.

    Instead….you still have the audacity to claim the resistance is being paranoid?

    Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

  91. Don’t be hurt Poolman. I read what you write every now and again. I don’t watch your stupid videos or follow your dumb links. They are almost never edifying and usually offered up like an old bastard that compulsively forwards bullshit chain emails without reading them himself. And when I see that you’re offering another variation on the “it’s all an illusion” and “don’t be fooled” crapola, I know your medication is wearing off again (which is almost all the time). I’ll wager everyone here treats your comments the same way.

    Sometimes you say something pithy, funny or insightful by accident. 😆

  92. If we had a recovery, why are middle class wages falling? Why is the work force participation rates lower than the day Bush walked out of office? Why are food stamp rolls 50% higher?

    If we didn’t avoid a Great Depression then why were there no bread lines? Why no run on the banks? Why no Greece? In fact, why have we fared better economically than just about every other country?

    Of course there are loads of negative indicators but a crisis of much greater proportions was averted.

  93. Obama’s record with the economy is not unlike FDR’s record. Life improved, but the economy was still sick. One of FDR’s officials said just before WW11 that they had failed to bring the economy back to where it was before the Depression began.

    As I wrote before, FDR’s scheme to improve the lot of farmers by sending volunteers to Alaska helped give us Sarah Palin.

  94. All documented at this embaressing swan song at the end of your sheltered life.

    You know something I don’t know? I’ve been amazed as I watch “healthier” guys drop dead as I keep limping along. It’s kind of unnerving actually.

    Regarding paranoia, I think it gives HRC waaaay too much credit for treachery to suggest she deliberately wrote emails dumbing herself down and making herself look cute. You’d have to believe she wrote the truth to Chelsea BUT wrote manipulative emails all from the same private server. So did she think we’d see her emails or not?

    Personally I think the private server gives us an honest picture of her: a fucking liar who is also technically incompetent.

  95. If we didn’t avoid a Great Depression then why were there no bread lines? Why no run on the banks? Why no Greece? In fact, why have we fared better economically than just about every other country?

    (1) Because the threat was greatly exaggerated – that much is obvious; (2) There was no run on banks which was the most serious threat (Lehman) because TARP was implemented (which can now be debated fairly was unnecessary too); (3) & (4) I shouldn’t have to answer this. Greece has been in economic trouble for years, and the U.S. economy was and still is the strongest in the world as the dollar the standard currency. As we go, so goes the world. However, with our debt to GDP ratio, where now stand were Greece stood – hence, my concern we are likely headed for a much more severe recession; (4)

  96. Ha Ha Rutherford!

    Huck, you might like Betsys Page this morning. She quotes an article discussing our culture and the choice of popular movies since Watergate.

    We had no bread lines in this recession because we have a better welfare system than we did during the Depression.

    Democrats helped cause the Great Recession.

  97. do we all agree there is a minimum tech literacy that the prez should possess in 2015?”

    Or at least know how to receive a “Secure” Fax

    Bereft of emojis? A grown woman? WTF?”

    I understand she is bereft of emotions

    “Ask Huma. “

    Next to James the best statement ever 😆

  98. The “Great Recession” was brought about by the so called “housing bubble” hedge funds run by greed mongers who had no soul much less a political preference.

  99. The “Great Recession” was brought about by the so called “housing bubble” hedge funds run by greed mongers who had no soul much less a political preference.

    Most who were campaign bundlers for the Democratic Party, accompanied by crooks like Dodd and Franks who pushed for housing loans for people who weren’t qualified to buy a home. Dodd and Franks should be in prison right now.

    The fact that George Bush was blamed for the housing bubble is the clearest indicator way too many people in America are too stupid to function in a Democracy, which requires a modicum of sense and a moral people to operate properly.

  100. I’m getting a kick out of just how stupid, lame and disingenuous Barack Obama has demonstrated himself once again to be with respect to his mocking the “Republican candidates” about their “whining” over CNBC and the ‘rough’ questioning.

    Barack, have we forgotten about the war on FOX News for going on seven years now?

  101. I think an argument could be made there were bread lines. I saw them.

    We were lucky enough to have an old man who hung out with my softball team in the dug out for more then a decade until the year he died at 98.

    I learned a lot from that guy. A true friend.

    He grew up during the The Great Depression and never even knew it existed until much later in life!

    Lastly, the bank runs.

    There should have been bank runs. TARP came too late. The only reason there was no bank runs was sheer ignorance! Blind trust. “This can’t happen to me” mindset was a strange self fullfilling prophecy!

    That trust has been broken. There will be bank runs next time. And there will be a next time.

  102. “Because the threat was greatly exaggerated – that much is obvious” -Tex

    I would argue the opposite was true.

  103. I disagree, Rabbit. But not about the part the next “fall” will be much, much worse.

    And here is why with a couple of simple examples. Straight macro economics using Exxon Mobil to explain.

    I have Exxon Mobil stock and have had for years. Exxon almost dropped in half during the “Great Recession.” Recently, we have watched the price of a barrel of crude oil drop almost 65%. What would be a greater threat to Exxon Mobil’s bottom line? About $1.5 trillion in debt being dumped into the aggregate system as happened in Sep/Oct 2008? Or watching your feed stocks and reserves drop almost in half in value as a company?

    Yet, during this precipitous drop in crude oil prices, Exxon Mobil stock is only down around 20%. See the exaggeration? It’s more than obvious to me the only way that phenomenon can be explained is either a herd mentality took over in the 2008-2010 market crash leading to the 50% correction of which none of Barack Obama’s stimulus even addressed, or the market is now so overblown that the correction of 2008 should have led to a massive correction already.

    Why? Barack Obama dumped another $4 trillion in debt into the “system” in less than three years as President by accumulating record levels of debt. After all, it all goes to the same pot called national debt.

    Like investors, in 2008 companies either panicked or took the opportunity to eliminate a bunch of expense with the excuse of the American economy failing. I suspect it was a bunch of both.

    I contend this market today is not nearly as strong as it was January 21, 2009. And I say that because the aggregate U.S. Market has increased it’s debt ratio since Barack Obama took office by a huge margin.

    Here’s what people miss about accusing Reagan of “running up the deficit too.” It is true while Reagan was President, the America accumulated about $1.8 trillion in additional debt. But the part that always gets left out of the discussion from Democrats is that under Reagan, the American economy also created about $17 trillion dollars worth of new net worth in eight years and every family income category increased appreciably, rich and poor alike.

    For the middle class an below, under Obama just the opposite has happened.

  104. “If we didn’t avoid a Great Depression then why were there no bread lines? Why no run on the banks? Why no Greece?”

    Stating we avoided a Great depression assumes we were positively going to have one AND that the steps taken to avoid it were actually what kept it from happening.

    Neither of those things are provable. We don’t know for a fact the economy was going to devolve all the way to Great Depression levels, nor do we know that it was not a self-correction that arrested the decline that actually was happening.

    This is community college-level critical thinking.

  105. “This is community college-level critical thinking.”

    Like touting that we are doing better now than at the worst of the recession. Every recovery is better than the recession, by definition. So that doesn’t mean much.

    The right measure is not to compare the recovery to the recession, but to compare Obama’s recovery with other recoveries from other recessions since the Great Depression. And by that measure, Obama has produced a recovery worse than what every other President who has faced a recession has achieved.

    BTW, all economists do NOT credit this unbalanced and unstable so-called “recovery as an Obama achievement. That’s Obama bullshit talking again.

  106. I actually meant that it only requires community college-level critical thinking to debunk the so-called logic being used in these claims.

    But yeah

    By this logic, we can credit Bush with saving the US from the inevitable WMD attacks by Iraq. After all, he took steps to stop that from happening, and sure enough…it never happened.

  107. Jobs Saved! 😆 I had almost forgotten that one in addition to Barack “Saving” us from the Great Depression having just completed Recovery Summery 7.

    That was my favorite along with Nancy Pelosi’s clam extending unemployment benefits would ignite the economy. 😈

  108. Old math: 1 job = 40 hours
    Obama math: 1 job = 20 hours, 40 hours = 2 jobs

    Old math: full time = 40 hrs/week — 8 hrs/day
    Obama math: full time = 30 hrs/week — 6 hrs/day

    Old math: Open 24 hrs = 3 full-time shifts —- 3 jobs
    Obama math: Open 24 hrs = 4 full-time shifts —- 4 jobs

    Old math: Min wage = $7.25/hr
    Sanders math: Min wage = $15/hr

    Old math: Full-time min wage = $290/wk
    Obama math: Full-time min wage = $217.50/wk
    Sanders math: Full-time min wage = $450/wk

    Obama math is what causes Sanders math

  109. Is it a fact about Barack Obama sending troops into Syria?

    Your silence on the matter is deafening. But maybe you’re just thinking about it.

  110. Remember when Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton refused to go to a 2007 Fox News debate after Moveon.org called for its boycott after calling Fox a “right-wing mouthpiece”?

    I guess it’s more fun for Democrats to equate a primary election debate to a congressional hearing than to equate it to another primary election debate.

    Is there any truth to that, Lurker?

  111. It depends on the definition of covetous and envy. I’m not 1% and I doubt anyone else is here either. And yet, I have no envy of Donald Trump. I’ll bet he’s no happier than I am. Of course, there’s always an answer to your type of envy, Lurker.

    I answer your question with this question. Can you defy any of this? No truth to this, right?

  112. What I don’t get is how Joe Blow didn’t stampede.

    There essentially were bank runs by financial institutions on one another. Over night trading was non existent. The entire monetary system was siezed.

    TARP never was executed. Toxic shit was never bought by the government and the auctions for said shit never went down.

    So…for Joe Blow to remain calm….to essentially predict that rule of law would be abandoned and private institutions would be given money with no real strings attatched via executive order….thats amazing call by Mainstreet. Or a really dumb one. I can’t tell.

  113. Rutherford Im not going to get into specifics but using your invitation of Wall St v Main St I will make some points.
    Main St is fucked PERIOD!
    The burden of ACA alone has shafted the little guy beyond belief. A great ACA example is facility charges and health care entry availability. You know I’ve been strident that ACA was not socialized medicine but in fact a big gushy wet kiss to big business rump. Although they have their basis in circa 2000 Medicare dealings “facility charges” have reached unprecedented levels in the USA. Also now over 60% of US physicians are salaried employees of an entity directly linked to the AHA lobby. ( American Hospital Assoc)
    As for Wall St if you don’t think they were gifted the ability to continue to screw Main St. I just don’t know what to say.
    Bottom line the Obama Administration has been a boon to capitalists out to screw the country. And neither Warren or Sanders is capable of altering that fact.

  114. Lurker, you’re wasting your time. I’m probably the only one who watched the whole video. The rest at the bar don’t give a shit about income inequality. Everyone on the far left end of the curve are lazy shiftless losers or plain unlucky.

    Shit happens. 😐

  115. Wow. Just wow. Obama sounds like a fucking idiot. The guy that is an international doormat.

    You would love that. It’s directed at idiots.

  116. I saw a pretty solid study once that showed an increase in happyness is tied to an increase in salary up to 70 grand a year. After that, an increase in wealth doesn’t lead to more happyness. Personally, I think my cut off would be around 250 grand. 🙂

    I’m dead serious….if I hit the lotto I would be depressed leaving my little working class neighborhood. I love it here and love my simple life.

  117. We don’t give a shit about income inequality because we don’t have petty jealousies over rich people being rich and having things we don’t have.

    If the arguments were prefaced on poverty, it might be different. Some people do struggle for daily requirements, and I’m not talking about iPhones, and that sucks.

    But the term “income inequality” shows that most of this is really nothing more than a bunch of butthurt over other people making more money than you do.

  118. I’m probably the only one who watched the whole video.

    Actually, I watched the whole thing too. Don’t disagree with a bit of it. The difference between you and Lurker and me is that I understand people are not only not equal, but not equally talented either. That’s the way the capitalistic system works. You’re bitter because affirmative action only carried you so far, and Densi Lurker is bitter because she’s untalented and too stupid to succeed without handout; insanely jealous, lowest caste.

    As Whittle’s video clearly proves, our “poor” are “rich” compared to most of the rest of the world.

    Frankly, I wish Lurker would get the fuck out of America and take a whole bunch of her stupid, parasitical ilk with her and move to Africa if she thinks she’s worthy of the top of the food chain.
    Then she can do something worthy of her talents.

    Carry water on the top of her nappy head back to the men and stretch her neck and ear lobes to size of dishes.

  119. I saw a pretty solid study once that showed an increase in happyness is tied to an increase in salary up to 70 grand a year. After that, an increase in wealth doesn’t lead to more happyness. Personally, I think my cut off would be around 250 grand.

    I can personally attest this is the truth, at least for me. Before I left corporate America, after they’d shit all over me and my department, but before I told them to kiss my ass, they were scared I would leave. So they threw more money.

    They thought another 20K a year would buy my happiness. I looked straight at this maggot CFO I was put under and said, “You really don’t get this, do you?”

  120. The video R finds so enlightening says its “unfair” — even more unfair than we supposedly thought. Un-fucking-fair.

    So the premise is that Rutherford doesn’t have something because others do. I’d like him to demonstrate that with something empirical because I don’t believe that’s true. And the “you guys all think people that are poor “deserve it” is a juvenile cop out.

    But of course, I could be wrong. Maybe Rutherford does have less than he deserves because someone else has more than what he deserves. Perhaps he’ll prove it to us.

  121. What’s particularly funny, Tigre, is Obama is calling the Republican candidates “whiners” and Rutherford is applauding Did the Dolt Obama watch the same debate I did? I understand why Rutherford doesn’t get it. He doesn’t “get” anything.

    Virtually every candidate on that stage took the shitheads from NBC apart. In fact, the candidates demonstrated how you treat bullies.

    Obama could only dream to do that to Vlad, and Putin rolls Obama’s weak ass time after time.

  122. Rutherford, did you watch Wittle?

    Didn’t, probably won’t. Last Wittle video upset my digestion for a week. I truly loathe the guy. Give me the Readers Digest version if you want.

  123. “…stretch her… ear lobes to size of dishes.”

    Heck, you don’t even have to go to Africa to do that.

    And then they wonder why they can’t get hired anywhere that deals with direct contact with others and can’t make a “living wage”.

  124. The guy who declined to participate in a Fox News debate, who refused for 2 years to do Fox News interviews, who used his executive powers to intimidate a Fox News journalist, and who has publically called out Fox News for 7 years is going to call other people whiners because they don’t like how the press treats them.

    As AceofSpades wrote of Obama today, “If Republicans Can’t Handle CNBC, They Can’t Handle Putin The Way I Can’t”

    Yeah Rutherford, that sure was some top-quality, presidential-level smack talk. The prick can’t even recognize his own gross hypocrisy through the bullshit spewing from his mouth.

  125. Obama is a weakling with aspirations of human deity.

    Re Lurker’s link. My wife and I began with little but hard work. At one time our net worth was in negative numbers and our long term debt was $300,000.00. We couldn’t afford to buy our daughter a Cabbage Patch doll when they were in vogue.

    Its nobody’s business where we are on the income food chain now. But we earned it and have no reason to feel guilty in the presence of the less comfortable.

  126. R, serious question. Why is the wealth gap in itself a bad thing? Can you explain specifically?

    It’s way too easy for both sides to oversimplify the discussion.

    Of course there are folks who are motivated by jealousy but that’s hardly a reason to dismiss the discussion.

    Does a CEO really work 300 times harder than his secretary? If not, then why should the compensation be so disproportionate?

    I loved what Paul Ryan said in the 2012 campaign. America should be about equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. Equal outcomes are not deserved. Tex is right. Some are more gifted than others. Some do work harder.

    But I can’t help but think the wealth gap bespeaks an opportunity gap. I also think it morally wrong that a man should starve while another man throws his leftover caviar in the garbage disposal.

    What is appealing about Sanders is the societal aspiration that everyone be afforded a minimum standard of decency because they are a human being – one of God’s children, to put it in words the evangelicals would understand.

    From what’s been said here, Whittle is making the tired argument that our poor are comparatively rich globally. So the misery quotient isn’t high enough for Whittle to give a fuck.

    Rabbits right that money doesn’t buy happiness but it sure as hell alleviates some day to day anxieties that plague the moneyless.

    I would GLADLY have sacrificed 25 to 30% of my salary to keep my job if the greedy bastards had let me. But they had to can me and thousands of others over the years to artificially boost their bottom line and keep themselves cozy.

  127. So it’s that the rich aren’t charitable enough? I don’t see that answers my question.

    Again, do you believe you don’t have something because the rich do? Your moral outrage is duly noted.

  128. Bet Whittle gives more money to charity than Sanders.

    It’s the people who are missing charity in their lives that devise all sorts of re-distribution schemes.

  129. “Does a CEO really work 300 times harder than his secretary? If not, then why should the compensation be so disproportionate?”

    Easy. A privately owned company is willing to pay it.

    The same reason Tom Brady makes more money than me.

  130. “Does a CEO really work 300 times harder than his secretary? If not, then why should the compensation be so disproportionate?”

    Because millions or even billions of people have, or can easily acquire, the skills to be a secretary. The same cannot be said of the CEO. It’s not about who works harder, it’s about who has the skills that are more in demand.

    Labor in a capitalist system is just like everything else in a capitalist system. It is based on supply and demand. Labor supply is greater when more people can do a particular job. And when supply is high, the prices for that supply are low.

    This might be tough for you to hear, Rutherford, but it is the truth. Had you and those thousands of others over the years been providing them with labor that they could not have done without, then they would not have let you go. They either decided your job was redundant, making low demand for the labor you were providing to them, or they found someone to do it cheaper. Sanders-nomics is not going to change either one.

  131. “The guy who declined to participate in a Fox News debate…”

    Who, Wimpy McLimpdick? You don’t say. Well, what’s next? Noodle arm yukking it up over the way Rubio throws a baseball? He’s worse than those butt ugly bitches on the View.

  132. Rutherford….the Whittle video gos more then compare the poor to the rest of the world.

    He compares the poor to the rich. He also compares the poor to the poor over time.

  133. “everyone be afforded a minimum standard of decency because they are a human being”

    And who gets to measure what that is and when it has been reached?

  134. So it’s that the rich aren’t charitable enough?

    I don’t think I said that.

    I believe the system is rigged and the degree to which we are pissed off about it is the degree to which we are inconvenienced by it.

    I’ve tried to answer your question. Now you answer. In a democracy, should a rich man have more influence than a poor one? Rather than play devils advocate which you love to do, tell me if you’re honestly happy with the status quo. What is YOUR utopia?

  135. Those hare brains on ‘The View’ are cowards like Obama. Obama loves to go to NYC and yuck it up with the Four Seasons crowd and who applauds on cue, never recognizing Obama is a putrid ham. All of them are major phonies and the ultimate 1% percenters. Do you hear Rutherford or the insufferable Lurker complain about that. Hell no.

    But that gutless weasel Obama and his wife Chewbacca could no more do or would do that on Fox News than Rutherford could make All Pro cornerback.

    Same way with those Wattle Jean types on ‘The View’, or Bill Maher, or any other of the Prog snakes. Gutless cowards, hiding behind their show. They play to their insignificant idiots.

    Carly Fiorina walks into their den of lies and if she wants to, will humiliate every one of those frauds. Line up for ass kickings. Whoopi Goldberg is an even uglier version of Rosie O’Donnell. If there’s justice, somebody will knock Whoopi back where she belongs – the Color Purple role as Celie Johnson.

    The only complaint I have with Fiorina or any other Republican for that matter is why the hell would they go on something as lowbrow as ‘The View?’ The stench alone would take weeks to get out of your hair.

  136. Huck you’re right about supply and demand. People being “resources” subject to “resource actions” has never felt right to me. LOL, the British are even colder about it. They call layoffs “redundancies”.

    I suppose the answer is what my buddy who just died used to tell me: “you work for yourself, not for the company because when the company is tired of you, you’re gone. Always keep looking out for yourself. No matter who you “work for” always view yourself as an independent contractor.”

  137. “In a democracy, should a rich man have more influence than a poor one?”

    What influence does a rich man have?

    If a rich man is influencing someone already in office, the people can vote that politician out if they do not approve of the actions being influenced. The rich man’s influence would be limited.

    If a rich man is influencing elections, it is because we fall for media hype bought by the rich man. If we stop falling for mass media hype, the rich man’s influence is worthless.

    Either way, the rich man is 1 man. If he is influencing democracy–or, majority rule—then that is the fault of the majority. Because, in reality,that is who is actually being influenced.

  138. “People being “resources” subject to “resource actions” has never felt right to me.”

    It has been like that since the dawn of civilization. It will never change.

    Ever.

  139. Barack Obama’s Department of Education is ordering an Illinois school to allow a boy that identifies as a girl to change and shower in sight of the girls.

    The school had previously allowed the individual to change and shower in the girl’s locker room while behind a curtain.

    But that wasn’t good enough. It was decided that was discrimination. So now the school has to allow the girls to see the Full Monty every day or lose any federal funding it gets.

    Gee….you live in Illinois, don’t you, Rutherford?

  140. “I’ve tried to answer your question. Now you answer . .”

    No. No you haven’t. You haven’t bothered at all. All you’ve done is repeat yourself. The usual.

    Your question is deflection and doesn’t make sense.

    I knew you weren’t capable of supporting what you’ve said. You haven’t even thought about it. 🙄

  141. The Scandinavian utopia. Perhaps since it’s the WAPO instead of me, now you’ll trust that Bernie Sanders is an unkempt loon – dumber and more confused than Hillary, but more honest.

    And did you get what their No. 1 industry is? 🙂 How do you think that’s working since oil is about 40% of what it was a year ago?

    Rutherford, you strike me as the perpetual 21 year old idealist. I talk to these idiot rubes walking around on college campuses, not nearly as with it as we were at the same age because higher ed ain’t what it used to be, the same mold as the Hope & Change crowd, and while I can’t knockthe sentiments about fairness, you’re old enough you should recognize that you’re not going to find a better place to live than America.

  142. I heard that on the Talking Heads last night, Huck.

    Now we’ve got an obviously mentally ill student with the help of the wicked ACLU actually forcing teenage girls to shower and dress with a penis. As the father of two daughters, enough is enough. They can call me homophobe all they want, but I’m going to war with these twisted perverts ramming their stupid shit down our throats.

    And do you notice that the Trannie women seldom if ever request to shower with the men if they haven’t had “gender reassignment,”, a nebulous, made up word if there ever was. Like “gay marriage.” I wonder why is that? 😈

    Anybody remember how self-conscious they were of their bodies in high school? Trust me boys, girls are even more self-conscious of theirs at that age (probably any age for that matter) as I discovered with two daughters. Had some mentally ill boy thinking he’s a girl been allowed to shower with my girls at school, there would have been another murder advertised across the national airwaves. Make that two. The mentally incompetent; the fucking lawyer that forced the issue.

    This characterizes how not only incredibly dumb these Leftists are, but were this sick Progressivism leads.

    You think I’m kidding when I talk about Slouching Toward Gomorrah. Progs – the party of utter depravity.

  143. “The Scandinavian utopia. Perhaps since it’s the WAPO instead of me, now you’ll trust that Bernie Sanders is an unkempt loon – dumber and more confused than Hillary, but more honest.”

    Yeah, I posted articles on the utopia in the past. I should’ve gone to one of the leftist sites since it’s Rutherford’s only truth. Ten minutes with Google and every simplistic and obvious point in that WAPO piece would’ve become apparent to anyone that really gives a shit. But, as we know, no one outside of a fantasy bubble that really gives a shit would take a doofus like Sanders seriously.

  144. Yeah, thank you Huck. I’ve got to admit, I would miss this place while eating my donuts. We need to bait over a few more Libs. Rutherford has been softened up too much and Lurker is a dreg simpleton. I’ll see if I can round up a few of these mouth breathing HRC fans.

  145. If I had daughters….that kid would not be in the loceker room with them.

    I promise you that wouldn’t happen.

    To actually argue that he has a right to flash his penis and have the Obama administration on his side. What. The. Fuck.

    He got his locker room. But that isn’t enough.

    I work with a guy who was given a list of pronouns he is only allowed to use in the classroom with this boy who supposedly identifies both as a female and a male. Or whatever. I don’t even get it.

    Figures Rutherford just LOL’s about it. Some of us tradional men are probably a little more protective of our daughters or in my case my niece. Backwards…I know.

    He can only refer to him as “they” and “them”.

    It doesnt even make sense.

    Talk about a powerplay.

    Changing grammar.

  146. I thought you were a fisherman, Tex. If you truly were, you’d know you were not using the right bait to attract liberals. You’re put out more repellent than bait. Just sayin…

    That Whittle Bill video has been posted here before. I think it was one of the first Laughterburner episodes I ever watched. The one that was posted a few weeks ago I think by Muffy was watchable and I agreed with Bill for the most part. It didn’t come off as hyperbole. I think it was a newer clip and based on that I determined Whittle had softened his approach and refined his points and style as he matured. The presentation was less offensive and the data more accurate making the entire video more appealing. This one, not so much.

    I don’t think we need to view other countries in order to model our society based on their failings or successes. We just need to return to our own founding precepts and rid ourselves of all the excess baggage that has accumulated that encumber the original constitution and its intent. That means removing the cancers that have metastasized over the centuries. Here is a big part of it:

    http://mainerepublicemailalert.com/2015/10/09/the-diabolical-nature-of-what-has-been-done/

    And this voting thing with the endless campaigns is sooooo distracting and totally unproductive.

    http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/11/03/anger-fear-the-way-they-keep-you-pointlessly-voting-for-president-like-anything-will-ever-change/

  147. “….another man throws his leftover caviar in the garbage disposal” – R

    I think that all depends on how he earned that caviar. Yes, I do think many CEO’s earn way more than they should but it’s supply and demand although the salary of the Red Cross CEO was abominable. One gives to charity not taketh away!

    At one time school teachers made more than doctors now look at the ratio. Many of our charities could not exist without the 1%.

    There will always be inequality be it wealth, education or just circumstances. This fact will never change as history has proven.

    Just think if that caviar was thrown in the dumpster rather than the disposal then the homeless could share .

  148. Anybody remember how self-conscious they were of their bodies in high school? “

    OMG do I ever. I remember vividly the incident in high school with a male coach for girls PE. The girls shared the boys locker room (which had communal showers, no curtains) and the Male Coach decided to check or whether or not the girls were showering after PE by observation !!!!!!!

    Government’s answer will probably be build transgender bath and locker rooms

  149. I also think Bernie Sanders is basically an honest man, certainly more honest then the Clintons and some other Democrats. However, one can honestly believe falsehoods as Sander’s training and ideology force him to do. His mind is as closed as Al Gore’s lock box. Therefore his world view is unserious and harmful.

    He should watch this video, but it wouldn’t do the average liberal much good.

    Lotta, the young Finish woman complains about the high cost of living compared the the US. That is also a product of the Scandinavian area welfare state.

  150. I thought you were a fisherman, Tex. If you truly were, you’d know you were not using the right bait to attract liberals.

    You’re confused, as usual. You seem to forget the only “liberal” I ever went looking to bait here for real showed up for quite some time until we beat his graying chin senseless (Graychin). I don’t want the Fat Grannies crowd – that’s Lurker material. Shooing flies off the burger.

    Bait is used for something you want and the victim needs. In this case, with the bottom feeders like catfish, you bait with shit. 🙂

  151. Quanell “X” 😆 The ignorance wafts through my screen. Hey Quanell? How’s that reading proficiency it the inner city, brotha? Or can I can you that, “Quanell?” Can I just call you ‘X’ like your signature?

  152. I just remembered who Quanell “X” was. And that reminded me. Here’s how cracka treats Quanell “X” and the proper way to treat the Black Panthers. A nice Houston suburb city. 😛

  153. Man….I never was a hater until the Bail Outs. I figured if shareholders were cool with it, what do I care.

    But my rage for those CEO’s who got bonuses with tax payer money is on a Hulk level.

    When your house has lost half its value practically over night, wife and family unemployed and the very people behind the damn thing are getting severance packages or bonuses in the millions with money gifted by my sons’ generation….fuck that.

    Angelo Mozilo from Countrywide….man would I love to have tea with him.

  154. So it looks like the JV squad is who is responsible for downing the Russian jetliner in Egypt. The investigation is pointing toward a luggage bomb.

    I would expect Putin to react…aggressively, and his aggression not be limited to inside the Syrian border. He won’t want to show weakness. And not punishing those that kill hundreds of your citizens is weak.

  155. Yes, but Huck? What’s important is that the Republican candidates might not make Putin quake in his boots. If they can’t “handle” the CNBC moderators, they can’t handle Putin and China like Obama (cough cough).

    ISIS may have just signed their own death warrant. Never thought I would live to see the day I was rooting for a Russian thug to secure Americans.

    Gawd, this current President is pathetic.

  156. I knew you weren’t capable of supporting what you’ve said. You haven’t even thought about it. 🙄

    You continue to fail at understanding plain English. Law School truly damaged your brain.

  157. Rutherford, you strike me as the perpetual 21 year old idealist.

    I don’t find cynics uplifting and I dislike it when cynicism creeps into my world view as it does all too often.

    Don Quixote triggers either admiration or ridicule. I think it’s a shame he’s a target of ridicule.

  158. Christie’s good. Republicans need to let whatever they think about Christie embracing the asshole go.

    FWIW, I agree.

    Apparently there is a vid of Christie talking about addiction, making the rounds. I’ve seen it. Pretty compelling.

    If Christie is the GOP nominee, he will get my vote. I’ve always liked the guy.

  159. Of course, before Vladi gets aggressive he’s going to have to actually admit he and his were the victims of terrorism—which he has yet to do.

  160. The coverage of this plane incident is ridiculous. I actually heard the following on the radio today: “we know for a fact it was very likely a bomb.” Really? Likely? So you don’t actually know anything.

    Like I said when it was first reported, STFU until you know what happened and then report it.

  161. Remember the IL cop who some of you got into a tizzy about because he was another victim of cop hate? Turns out, he killed himself.

    So I get the dead census worker from a few years ago and you guys get the IL cop. Easy to jump to conclusions when ideology clouds your judgment.

  162. As I recall, when some Jordanians were killed by ISIL a year or so ago, the King of Jordan not only pledged revenge, he got suited up. Some countries take this stuff seriously.

    You really want ISIL to get its ass kicked? Let them kill a bunch of Jews in one fell swoop. Bibi will get out a can of whuppass. That’s one thing I can say for our only democratic ally in the region. When provoked, Israel can be as savage as the rest of them.

  163. Actually, Christie has been far more impressive than I was originally led to believe. I give Christie double kudos for being the only one addressing the massively serious subject(s):

    Social Security
    Medicare

  164. From this: “Like I said when it was first reported, STFU until you know what happened and then report it.”

    to this: “So I get the dead census worker from a few years ago and you guys get the IL cop. Easy to jump to conclusions when ideology clouds your judgment.”

    Did you read about the cause of Robin’s suicide today or are you offering this up to me as some sort of gift?

    I’d have preferred an answer to my sincere question. Hell, I’ll take an answer from anyone that can at least tell me what the answer might be.

    In the meantime, Rutherford, can you tell us the reason the cop/dude from Ill committed suicide?

  165. In the meantime, Rutherford, can you tell us the reason the cop/dude from Ill committed suicide?

    I heard he had serious financial problems but I haven’t researched it.

  166. Why is the wealth gap in itself a bad thing? Can you explain specifically?

    Since you didn’t like my first answer, I’ll be a good sport and try again. Try to read the answer with human eyes this time and not lawyer eyes.

    The wealth gap, such as it is, is a bad thing because it implies capitalism run amok. Of course there should be some wealth gap. That’s built into the system. But the graph posted by Lurker suggests the gap has gotten out of hand. When wealth is concentrated at the top to such a degree that THE MIDDLE CLASS IS DISAPPEARING, we have a problem.

    Trump strikes the right note with this. We shouldn’t condemn those who play by the rigged rules to gain riches beyond belief. They are doing what any sane person would do and legally. So the rich are not the problem. The rules are the problem.

    Sanders needs to change his tone. Demonizing the rich is simply divisive. He needs to focus on getting the bitches in Congress to man up.

  167. When wealth is concentrated at the top to such a degree that THE MIDDLE CLASS IS DISAPPEARING, we have a problem.

    This is true. But we’ve had seven years of massive government, massive Prog policies including running up about as much debt as all Presidents before Obama, and the middle class has been being squeezed at an even faster rate than it did under Bush, with middle class incomes dropping ever year under Obama who has obviously made the problem appreciably worse.

    See, this is the problem I have with people like Lurker and to a somewhat lesser degree, you. Your current President has failed miserably. And you can’t admit it.

    We did it your way. And it failed. You can’t bring yourself to admit that either. It’s like healthcare. Obamacare is clearly going to fail – Coops are already dropping out and it’s not even fully implemented. And your solution isn’t free market principles. It’s to take a failed program manned by a failed government and then demand that we go completely to a government single payer system – a system not unlike the VA where people are dying waiting to even get in for treatment.

    You then conclude like the other dupes like Paul Krugman, a complete phony and sham like Obama, the reason things have gotten worse is that we didn’t carry those policies far enough because you can’t admit they don’t work. Your solutions are exactly what we shouldn’t be doing.

    This is how Europe got itself into trouble and you want to follow suit. People like you and Lurker would make things even worse if you had your way, perhaps not maliciously, but out of great ignorance.

    Have you noticed that Hillary Clinton doesn’t speak much about creating jobs? She talks about new New Deals. Why? Because Barack Obama’s policies can’t work. Instead of utilizing the greatest system ever created, getting rid of endless, useless regulation and lowering tax rates to competitive levels, you punish the very system that created the greatest wealth on earth even further.

    And I used to think you were simply economically illiterate. But I’ve concluded people like you and Lurker are motivated even more by personal envy and covet. You have to be. Nobody could be this blind without purposely wanting to be.

    What would lend Bernie Sanders, a proponent of basically total government, remotely credible?

  168. “So I get the dead census worker from a few years ago and you guys get the IL cop. Easy to jump to conclusions when ideology clouds your judgment.”

    Huh? I understood this comment to imply that he offed himself because he was racked with guilt and therefore proof of his heinous crimes. If not, what the fuck are you blathering about when you understood the guy killed himself due to financial strain?

    “The wealth gap, such as it is, is a bad thing because it implies capitalism run amok.:

    Arrrgh. Forget it. This is not a matter of approach (i.e. lawyer versus human being). You’re just spouting worthless platitudes as I suspected. Huck was right.

    Don’t get me wrong. I am certain there’s a good answer out there. It just isn’t going to come from you, a member of the thinking man’s party that “feels” rather than thinks.

  169. The Illinois cop killed himself because he was skimming money from a charity he was involved with.

    Also, regarding the prior discussion about using people as resources….

    Rutherford, how do you feel about replacing human resources with machines to perform labor? This has also been going on since the time a pulley was used by 1 man to lift something that used to require 2 men to lift.

    When people get $15/h to take your Big Mac order or to flip the burger that goes into it, those people will be replaced by machines to do that job. The no-skilled labor crew required to operate a fast food place will shrink to 1 person with training to oversee all of the machines and a couple of temporary workers to unload a delivery truck truck twice a week. These machines already exist, so we aren’t talking about a distant and unforeseeable future. And they can put millions of unskilled labor out of work.

    Can you imagine the cost of fully supporting these people with government doles, while also educating them to increase their marketable skills? Does Bernie Hood’s plan to take from the rich and give to the poor have THAT many rich to take from?

  170. “The Illinois cop killed himself because he was skimming money from a charity he was involved with.”

    Oh. I just read about this. I thought rutherford was talking about some white cop shooting black dude event or something.

    And now even more confused about Rutherford’s comment. How did “us guys” get tarred by this? I hadn’t even heard of this. Did some here come out and say this was a black supremacist lynching or something?

  171. I’ll bet honest. I usually pride myself on my memory (though it is starting to wane), but I’ll be damned if I know what Rutherford is talking about either concerning some Illinois cop.

  172. Elmo vs Jet Engine. Perfect bed time fodder for me and my boys!

    This week we’ve watched a cheetah preying on a gator, the world’s largest sink holes, massive sharks, the effects of lava on an iPhone and now, thanks to Tex, we know what a jet egine can do to a tickle me elmo.

    Thankfully, my wife comes in after my low brow youtube asshattery and reads.

  173. Arrrgh. Forget it. This is not a matter of approach (i.e. lawyer versus human being). You’re just spouting worthless platitudes as I suspected.

    Yeah I will forget it. Your genius mind is obviously looking for a level of depth of which I’m incapable.

    I’M NOT WORTHY!!! 😩😩😩😩😩

  174. Does Bernie Hood’s plan to take from the rich and give to the poor have THAT many rich to take from?

    LOL Bernie Hood. Someone needs to Photoshop that image.

    You raise a very good point about automation. Again, I don’t have an answer. As the skills needed to just have a job get harder to attain, things will only get worse. Makes me glad I’m in my twilight years. I won’t live to see the total collapse. Just gotta train my daughter to survive it.

  175. And now even more confused about Rutherford’s comment. How did “us guys” get tarred by this? I hadn’t even heard of this. Did some here come out and say this was a black supremacist lynching or something?

    Yes, a few of you cited this as the war on police for which, of course, Obama was to blame.

    And no I’m not going back to find examples. I get paid to do research from now on. 😐

  176. “Yes, a few of you cited this as the war on police for which, of course, Obama was to blame.

    And no I’m not going back to find examples. I get paid to do research from now on. “

    There are no examples of this for a full week after the incident. Thats probably why you dont remember it, Tigre & Tex.

    I have scripts disabled so I couldnt see any posted videos, but based on a quick read of some 800 comments following the day it happened – theres nothing to the charge. Only one comment even comes close to incorrectly identifying this as one in a series of cop killings that occurred around the same time.

  177. Well, there’s got to be more to make “a few.”

    So, DR, you were blaming the left for the black lynching of a white cope like Rutherford did of the postal worker?

  178. “Yeah I will forget it. Your genius mind is obviously looking for a level of depth of which I’m incapable.”

    Unfortunately, yes. It was a straight up question. “Implying” capitalism run amok is not an answer.

    Fear not. No one believes you actually think about it. It’s an envy thing.

  179. People live by an ancient code which I think plays a role the way religion does in civilizing us. Political correctness tries to destroy it, with rules and passive attitudes, as Obama’s foreign policy illustrates The mob, Russia, and Israel may be unpopular, but they are respected, and potential enemies think twice about tugging on their capes. Republicans are also beginning to learn to counter attack the press.

    A crew member observed that NASCAR has rules to prevent such altercations, but beneath the imposed culture, an old drivers code still prevails.

  180. Only one comment even comes close to incorrectly identifying this as one in a series of cop killings that occurred around the same time.

    So in other words, I’m right. Thank you for doing the research.

  181. “So in other words, I’m right. Thank you for doing the research.”

    The comment I referred to disproves your charge entirely.

    It seems to me the asshole is the one lying

  182. Hot air ” Obama wanted to kill off the pipe line to promote his credibility as a warrior against anthropogenic global warming but seemed very reluctant to stand up to Steven Harper to do so. Harper’s departure as PM of Canada made it easier for Obama to assert himself which is pathetic.”

    Warren Buffet will make money on this decision. He would have profited with the pipe line too.

  183. “R”, not to start a dogpile, but I swear I don’t remember the episode you referenced, much less addressing the charges.

    If I did, I would like to know where so I can quit racking my brain.

  184. “So in other words, I’m right. Thank you for doing the research.”

    My research proved you wrong. So in other words, you’re wrong.

  185. Just got word a personal friend voted most likely to succeed (and he did) of my high school class is braid dead. Scott was an ophthalmologist in the Atlanta area and one of the first I called “friend” when I moved to Tulsa back in 1967.

    Acute respiratory failure some time Monday night/early Tuesday morning that dramatically reduced the flow of oxygen to his brain leaving Scott in a coma. His wife was out of town. All that are left are brain stem functions – clinically dead. They are moving him to hospice to die.

    That’s three childhood friends in about 16 months.

    I am starting to feel very old.

  186. “It’s an envy thing.

    You are and continue to be an asshole.”

    You can direct that to Huck since he’s the one that first said it, you sensitive priss.

  187. Woman: Is there a problem, Officer?

    Officer: Ma’am, do you realize you were going 88mph in 40 mph zone?

    Woman: Oh, I see.

    Officer: Can I see your license please?

    Woman: I’d give it to you but I don’t have one.

    Officer: Don’t have one?

    Woman: Lost it 4 times for drunk driving.

    Officer: I see…Can I see your vehicle registration papers please.

    Woman: I can’t do that.

    Officer: Why not?

    Woman: I stole this car.

    Officer: Stole it?

    Woman: Yes, and I killed and hacked up the owner.

    Officer: You did what?

    Woman: His body parts are in plastic bags in the trunk if you want to see.

    The Officer looks at the woman, slowly backs away to his car, and calls for back up. Within minutes 5 police cars circle the car. A senior officer slowly approaches the car, clasping his half drawn gun.

    Officer 2: Ma’am, could you step out of your vehicle please!

    The woman steps out of her vehicle.

    Woman: Is there a problem sir?

    Officer 2: One of my officers told me that you have stolen this car and murdered the owner.

    Woman: Murdered the owner?

    Officer 2: Yes, could you please open the trunk of your car, please.

    The woman opens the trunk, revealing nothing but an empty trunk.

    Officer 2: Is this your car, ma’am?

    Woman: Yes, here are the registration papers.

    The first officer is stunned.

    Officer 2: One of my officers claims that you do not have a driving license.

    The woman digs into her handbag and pulls out a clutch purse and hands it to the officer. The officer snaps open the clutch purse and examines the license. He looks quite puzzled.

    Officer 2: Thank you ma’am, one of my officers told me you didn’t have a license, that you stole this car, and that you murdered and hacked up the owner.

    Woman: Betcha the lying bastard told you I was speeding too.

  188. As is often the case, I overstated the issue. Yes it was you Rabbit — Alfie set you straight on the facts although you seemed skeptical. And then our dear Muffy got in last licks.


    Submitted on 2015/09/01 at 2:20 pm

    Man…another cop Murdered. Chicago.

    Numerous armed men on the run. Dead Rabbit

    Submitted on 2015/09/01 at 2:32 pm

    The breaking Chicago area shooting is likely a crime related issue not a hunting of cops thing – Alfie

    Submitted on 2015/09/01 at 2:40 pm

    “The breaking Chicago area shooting is likely a crime related issue not a hunting of cops thing”

    Why do you say that? Dead Rabbit

    Submitted on 2015/09/01 at 3:40 pm

    Cop initiated foot pursuit after radioing “suspicious activity” and now it’s reported 2 whites 1 black all males are who the police are searching for. Alfie

    And finally the last word on the subject that I can find from — Muffy

    Submitted on 2015/09/02 at 12:19 pm

    One compash liberal loser wishes she hadn’t been so public with her compassion about the dead cop.

    After she tweeted “I can’t believe so many people care about a dead cop and NO ONE has thought to ask what he did to deserve it. He had creepy perv eyes…” followed shortly thereafter by #BlackLivesMatter – she was arrested on an outstanding warrant for assault for punching some guy in the face several times in 22011. Now the Sam Houston State U where she attends classes – probably paid for by the dead cop and not the perp – is looking at the sitch. Some alumni have been weighing in with strong opinions.

    “SHSU has a strong Student Code of Conduct. The student’s remarks will be evaluated to determine if the code was violated following standardized due process. The university has an ongoing commitment to taking actions that strengthen dialog and understanding between our students and the law enforcement community.”

    Ha. Ha. Ha.

    But hey I’m sure her heart’s in the right place.


    I left out the part where Rabbit accused me of hiding behind my daughter for protection from the cop killers on the loose.

  189. “As is often the case, I overstated the issue. Yes it was you Rabbit — Alfie set you straight on the facts although you seemed skeptical. And then our dear Muffy got in last licks.”

    You didn’t just overstate the case, Pinochio Wrongway.

    ”Remember the IL cop who some of you got into a tizzy about because he was another victim of cop hate? Turns out, he killed himself.
    So I get the dead census worker from a few years ago and you guys get the IL cop. Easy to jump to conclusions when ideology clouds your judgment.” – R

    “Did some here come out and say this was a black supremacist lynching or something?” -ET

    Yes, a few of you cited this as the war on police for which, of course, Obama was to blame.” -R

    Now, besides clearly overstating Alfie “setting a skeptical rabbit straight,” you are 100% incorrect about my “last licks” being related to the IL cop at all. The San Houston State U student posted her putrid insight regarding Texas Deputy Darren Goforth.

    “She released a tweet related to the death of Deputy Darren Goforth, who was shot 15 times at a Cypress gas station on Friday. Her tweet states ” I can’t believe so many people care about a dead cop and NO ONE has thought to ask what he did to deserve it. He had creepy perv eyes…”

    A tweet sent out before that said “#BlackLivesMatter.” ”

    http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Reaction-From-Sam-Houston-State-University-After-Student-Releases-Controversial-Tweets-324027981.html

    You dumbass.

  190. “I left out the part where Rabbit accused me of hiding behind my daughter for protection from the cop killers on the loose.”

    So why leave it out? Instead of posting it you make another “overstatement.” Never did he mention cop killers.

    “Rutherford is probably in his apartment during this manhunt trembling with fear hiding behind his daughter brandishing a large spoon as a weapon.”
    dead rabbit , September 1, 2015 at 2:48 pm

  191. PS…my “last licks” were in response to Pinocchio’s manufactured stink about conservative women lacking in compassion.

    Which is why I wrote, “One compash liberal loser wishes she hadn’t been so public with her compassion about the dead cop.”

  192. “Rutherford is probably in his apartment during this manhunt …”

    Manhunt for whom Muffy? The cop killers. Just can’t quit while you’re ahead can you? Fucking insufferable.

  193. “Manhunt for whom Muffy? The cop killers. Just can’t quit while you’re ahead can you? Fucking insufferable.”

    Correct. An example of an overstatement made by you. What you did before was turn a bigoted honest mistake into a deception and a personal attack when your BS was challenged. Deal with it.

  194. Ah. Okay. I think I posted something about the witch from Sam Houston State too. I had forgotten who that was even referring to, though.

    Pinocchio Wrongway. 😆 😆 Come on, R. You got to admit Ms. Muff is pretty damn funny, even if it is at your expense.

  195. What preceded it, Lurker? Cursing the cops, jumping on barricades, resisting police? You’re going to try and tell me this stemmed from jaywalking?

    Baloney. A couple of black jacks to the skull would do wonders.

  196. What you did before was turn a bigoted honest mistake into a deception

    It would take days to unravel what you’re talking about but let me just say when I blamed the wrong people for the census takers death years ago, it was a “bigoted honest mistake” and I was hung out to dry for it.

    But interestingly I don’t even think you were around back when that happened so I doubt you have the slightest idea what argument you’re weighing in on.

  197. Tonight’s Dem Forum was basically another wet kiss to HRC who was allowed to talk and talk and talk without interruption by Maddow unlike the other two candidates who were interviewed before an audience of 3000 South Carolinians.

  198. “It would take days to unravel what you’re talking about but let me just say when I blamed the wrong people for the census takers death years ago, it was a “bigoted honest mistake” and I was hung out to dry for it.”

    I’ll draw you a picture, Pinocchio. You made the bigoted honest mistake with your stupid charge which I knew to he wrong because it happened two months ago and you have the memory of a gnat.

    Then you tried to twist the truth and call us assholes when I proved you wrong. All because you wanted to project your character flaws onto the rest of us.

    Did I nail it or what?

  199. “It would take days to unravel what you’re talking about but let me just say when I blamed the wrong people for the census takers death years ago, it was a “bigoted honest mistake” and I was hung out to dry for it.”

    Days.

    Rutherford says t’s the rise of the non-existent white supremacists spurred on by the Tea Party.

    You’re referring to the “war on law enforcement” endorsed by our spiritual leader, co opting dems, president and DOJ.

    They’re the same thing.

    Why look at all the white supremacist lynchings.

    Now compare that to BLM.

  200. In my 8 years of following politics I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this. Carson turns the tables on reporters. No low energy here boys and girls. I watched it live as it happened and my jaw dropped. The media totally busted. This is why Carson and Trump are leading.

  201. Rutherford, you truly live in a bubble. Muffy nailed your ass and you don’t have enough sense to take stock. Instead, you double down, totally unashamed of the stupidity of the postal worker bullshit. Next you’ll be working some idiotic agle on your MSNBC-fueled Giffords psycho bullshit.

  202. “The media totally busted.”

    He busted you, too, Rutherford. He busted every American who thought talking about all of that was a waste of time.

  203. Instead, you double down, totally unashamed of the stupidity of the postal worker bullshit.

    Honest to goodness I don’t know how you got out of high school much less law school.

    Amnesia? How many times have I eaten crow about the census guy? Shit, I even wrote a post devoted to a mea culpa on the subject.

  204. He busted every American who thought talking about all of that was a waste of time.

    I beg to differ. The “unreleased transcripts” AND the full ride to West Point are equally ridiculous. Neither speaks to issues of importance. Carson’s message is, or should be, that a media who saw fit to ignore the transcript foolishness should also be ignoring this West Point tempest in a teapot. He’s calling out media hypocrisy.

  205. Hey, that was pretty good Rutherford. If that had been Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, or especially Donald Trump, the first charges out of the media mouth would have been “racism.”

    But my favorite line of the week had to be Chris Tingles Matthews calling Dr. Ben Carson a “simpleton.” 😛 In the MSNBC world, brain surgeons are simpletons when the don’t follow the narrative.

  206. Austin has had an ongoing issue regards jaywalking and people revolting. Back in 2011 Austin experienced a spike in pedestrian deaths. They initiated two traffic oriented policies. One targeting vehicles and the other went after pedestrians. the ticket ranges up to $190 bucks and Austin being Austin resisting against the Man for infringing on your walking freedoms has become a cause celebre.
    YouTube and social media is rife with stories and the latest is no different. Approached,pedestrian gets belligerent,escalates to “failure to comply”,further escalation= physical arrest.

  207. I didn’t know that Alfie, but I suspected that video had more than met the eye. Likewise for the Merced stabber who was just an angry young man. Never mind that he had a Muslim name, wanted to behead someone, had a note reminding him to praise Allah and smiled as he did the deeds as a verse in the Koran advises a jihadist to do.

  208. Lurker, this song is for you. I even linked a version with lyrics so there will be no doubt that you can understand.

    You burst in here with a snide little comment and flee under the bed with little or no chance of interaction from your betters.

    This is essentially a song about a lover’s spat, but the words also fit you. They also apply to Obama. “I want a man by my side, not a boy who runs and hides. Are you gonna fight for me , die for me? Live and breathe for me, ’cause if you don’t then, just leave.”

    And Lurker, “if you don’t have the answer, why are you still standing here? Just walk away”

    I’d rather you stayed and fought instead of behaving like the cowardly Obama and Hillary.

  209. “Huh?”

    The right, and most of us here, started asking Carson’s questions of the media before 2008. And predictably, the liberal media and you labeled such questions racists. All opposition and inquiry into Dear Leader was reflexively twisted into a claim of racism by you and your cult leaders.

    Now? The media is “totally busted.”

    What a shame. Can’t use the usual weapon because Carson is black.

  210. The full Carson presser is worth every one of the twenty minutes it took to watch it this morning. I won’t bother with a link, it’s easy to find the one just over 19 min.

    I also watched Fiorina chat with the harpies on The View yesterday. Hearing those ignorant and inarticulate pathetic excuses for women try and explain to Fiorina why it’s perfectly OK for them to call her face a demented Halloween mask and that there’s actually something wrong with HER for not liking that (so fucking familiar) was plenty satisfying enough. But then she out comedienned the self-described comediennes (none of whom are the least bit talented or witty).

    Big Dummy: “You’re using the feud with The View as part of a fund-raising campaign. There is a video going out. You’re clearly trying to make lemonade out of lemons.”

    Fiorina: “So you’re telling me you’re lemons?”

  211. Ahhh ok Tigre, thanks for the clarification. Apparently Huck understood you from the get go.

    I think the charges of my screaming racism all the time re Obama are a bit exaggerated. In fact, the only one of the current crowd I’ve even vaguely accused is Tex and my heart wasn’t 100% in that either.

    With that said, if you don’t think racism was a factor in the right’s vetting of Obama, you need to move near that river in Egypt, da Nile.

    And the same goes for Carson. Carson’s got at least one “white boy” saying some pretty preposterous shit but Carson is being dismissed far more often. Why do you think that is?

    Your problem, old Tigre, is you think that admitting America has problems with race makes you somehow culpable. It doesn’t.

  212. While I usually regret agreeing with Muffy because I only get slapped about something later, she is absolutely right. The Carson presser is must see TV. Even if we put aside the subject matter, this is a Carson we seldom see. Animated, defiant and on his game. No lack of confidence there at all.

    I’ll go look for the View appearance. I spend 50% of my time enjoying Carly and the other half disdaining her.

    I’ll tell you this much. If we define a feminist goal as getting any reasonably qualified woman in the WH, then Gloria Steinem is no feminist. I saw her diss Carly on tv the other day. So much for the “sisterhood”. 😐

  213. “Hearing those ignorant and inarticulate pathetic excuses for women try and explain to Fiorina why it’s perfectly OK for them to call her face a demented Halloween mask and that there’s actually something wrong with HER for not liking that (so fucking familiar) was plenty satisfying enough.”

    I looked at the official ABC page for The View, and nowhere does it say that it is a comedy show.

    By contrast, Saturday Night Live is (supposed to be) a comedy show.

    So if Trump appears on SNL, does that make him a comedian, then giving him permission to make fun of Fiorina’s face?

    Think about it…..

  214. Poolman the disgusting part is that TED, supposedly for the exchange of ideas, for a long time kept that vid off their website. It only went viral due to YouTube.

    You know I’ve been accused of envy, pure bullshit, but what’s even dumber are folks who are vicariously wealthy. Folks who think defending the rich over the poor somehow makes THEM rich. It’s truly laughable.

  215. Your problem, old Rutherford, is you don’t think that accusing Americans of being racist for asking questions of your cult leader is not a problem. It is.

    Vet Obama. 😆 😆 😆

  216. Well as we know, Trump doesn’t have to be in a comedic setting to make fun of people.

    Carson says he wouldn’t do snl if asked. I believe him. The pundocracy and Trump don’t believe him.

  217. A lawyer such as he claims to be should know that if you open the door, you invite others to walk through it.

    Well, Carson opened the door also with his memoir so I guess they BOTH should get scrutiny and we are right back where we started.

  218. “Well as we know, Trump doesn’t have to be in a comedic setting to make fun of people.”

    That’s really not the point I was making.

    The View harpies told Fiorina her looks are fair game for them because they are comedians, even though the setting in which they attacked her is not billed as a comedy setting. Yet they claim the same topic is off limits to trump, because he is not a comedian.

    I am asking if their rules apply to the SNL comedy setting. And it’s a rhetorical question, because we all know it doesn’t. The fact is they are hateful women toward anyone nor participating in groupthink, and they used a bullshit excuse to justify their hateful comments.

  219. “Carson opened the door also with his memoir so I guess they BOTH should get scrutiny and we are right back where we started.”

    Wrong.

    Ben Carson is not using his claim to justify policy.

    It’s the justification of policies that affect America that makes Obama’s claim an issue for Americans.

  220. Obama and his supporters use his education to appeal to authority. We should all shut up because Barry knows better than we do.

    Is that what Ben Carson did?

  221. you don’t think that accusing Americans of being racist for asking questions of your cult leader is not a problem.

    You have a conveniently simplistic view of cause effect. SOME Americans scrutinized Obama out of racism. That’s a fact. No one told you to extrapolate that to the generic “Americans”. You did that all on your own.

  222. Alfie, I, for one, am not stating it isn’t fair game. I am speaking directly to Rutherford’s “The “unreleased transcripts” AND the full ride to West Point are equally ridiculous. Neither speaks to issues of importance.” as it relates to Obama.

    Obama’s transcripts do speak to issues of importance because his education gets used to justify issues of importance.

    I did not phrase things like I should have when I wrote “Wrong. Ben Carson is not using his claim to justify policy.” His words and deeds should absolutely be scrutinized.

  223. Scrutiny is one thing. Find out what CNN and Politico just did to Carson. They’re twisted.

    And Carson is 100% correct in that the media gave Obama a pass on everything.

    Vetted Obama. The sinking man’s party.

  224. Everything is fair game when it comes to “scrutinizing” a conservative. Race, religion, gender, family, everything they ever did and ever said. Nothing is off limits, nothing is none of your business, nothing is out of bounds. It’s OK to slander them, OK to destroy their lives, OK to ruin their reputations.

  225. “No one told you to extrapolate that to the generic “Americans”. You did that all on your own.”

    Gawd. Anyone that questioned Obama was a racist. This is about the media, dem machine and useful idiots such as yourself. Do you know how to follow a point?

    And FWIW, you have called “America” racist many times.

    A country founded in racism.

    But you and Obama will even the score. . .

  226. Thanks, Rutherford. I hope I make it to 100 so I can see how our grand daughter turns out.

    I don’t know if you saw it the first time, but here is a video for you. “I Lived” seems to fit what I know about you in a good way.

    It also illustrates the turning tide of battle. Atlantic Magazine, I think, has an article claiming that the right is winning the culture wars. The left doesn’t notice until another election. The press and entertainment industries hide the truth between elections.

    In their way, One Republic, like entertainers such as Tim Allen, is part of an insurgency. They are Christians, and so is Ella Henderson the Brit who co wrote “Ghost” with lead singer Ryan Tidder. (sp). An enemy culture and religion is invading the West. We need to counterbalance them with something besides nihilsm.

    At the same time, we need to help what may be a mob psychology growing against the liberal news media. The media and liberal entertainers are also part of the culture war. It is time to call our local radio and television stations or sponsors when something becomes blatant. We need to make them afraid by fighting back when they slander their enemies, and we need to take the offensive.

    I did it once before with Take Our Daughters to Work Day. The numbers are greater now.

  227. Dont get me wrong I think on the double standard thing Carson is spot on. I am left with a dislike for him just the same and I put that squarely on him and not the pathetic media stuff. I find him too animated and dont like his vote ce. Superficial but I think that is linked to his inability to do the job.
    Im pulling for Cruz and 2016 is ugly. I hope America somehow shuns the recent Anglosphere political dreck.

  228. No doubt, some opposition to Obama was racist, but consider the black voting record. The majority voted for Obama’s black skin. If you can point to white racists who undoubtedly voted against Obama, I will show even more racists who voted Obama into office.

    There may be another reason for Obama to hide his college records. It is possible that he entered university as a foreign student. He spent part of his youth in Indonesia with his in effect stepfather. I am sure he was born in the US, but he may have cheated to get special privilages. The theory is far fetched but possible as long as the transcripts are hidden.

  229. Huck you’re comparing a candidate to a sitting president so it’s an odd comparison. Carson is making his background a selling point for his candidacy. So DID Obama. If you want to compare their candidacies I’m with you. Otherwise you’ve lost me.

  230. Vetted Obama.

    Muffy, are you also joining the stupid league? I said Obama was vetted BY THE RIGHT. Fox in no way white washed candidate Obama. I never said he was vetted by the MSM.

  231. Everything is fair game when it comes to “scrutinizing” a conservative. …

    😩😩😩😩 ohhh I’m grabbing my Kleenex. During the 2008 campaign if you wanted to believe Obama was a drug dealing homosexual, you could find some crackpot to support your theory.

    I give Carson major props for standing up for himself AND pointing out the double standard of the MSM. But that does not mean conservatives are singled out for nastiness. Politics is a nasty business.

  232. I am sure he was born in the US, but he may have cheated to get special privilages.

    Compared to the usual nutjob rumors, I find that theory quite credible James.

    The piece I don’t get is the mechanics of it. If you request my Harvard transcript you will not be able to get it. They’re not “sealed”. It’s simply university policy. I doubt any of O’s transcripts are sealed. I think he was asked for them and he said “fuck you” which I might also have done in his position.

  233. Trump is spoofing his own campaign promises on SNL tonight. I don’t get how that’s a winning strategy.

    And PLEEEEEEEEZE, someone explain Sia to me. Perfectly fine voice ruined by looking like a total idiot. I must be getting old. 😟

  234. It’s simple, Rutherford. I’m not speaking to your comparison, I am speaking to your assertion that Obama’s transcripts don’t “speak to issues of importance” and I am telling you when Obama and his supporters started using his education to try and tell us the STFU he knows better than we do that it became an issue of importance.

  235. It was. You deny it?

    Absolutely I deny it.

    The faults of man in no way disparage the principles found in the Declaration of Independence, with the ideas of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Hundreds of thousands lost their lives to assure that liberty for all races.

    Rutherford, I have come to the conclusion over a period of years that for all the stains of slavery of blacks, and they are so egregious it is difficult for me to even imagine the evil that drove me to enslave other men, black slaves played a very, very small role in the machinery of what made this country a superpower.

    Blacks, when taken as a whole, are the most bitter, most unproductive, most hostile, and most confused race on this earth. That’s why their history is one of both little accomplishment, destruction and captivity.

    There is a truth most whites dare not even mention but I am way beyond caring what black racists and their feckless and self-serving activist leaders think of me anymore. The judgments of aggregate black America anymore are so biased and juvenile, full of little but excuse and envy, I easily dismiss them. I don’t care if they like me or what they think of me. Too many blacks are ingrates and jackals, full of envy and hate. It is their undoing.

    That is why Conservative Black Americans are so despised by the rest of Black Americans. They took the opportunity to make something of themselves instead of being eaten up with excuse and hatred, attempting to make a slavery that hasn’t existed for generations to be used as a crutch for their own personal failures. Dr. Ben Carson, a good man and a highly intelligent man, has become the target of the latest round of vile charges. Were Carson a Leftist dreg making excuse for failures and demanding reparations with a ‘D’ behind his name, the media and men like you would marvel at Carson’s strength and his wisdom. And that goes for the white lackeys in the media that you salivate over telling you what you want to hear so they too can be celebrity.

    The truth is, when measured against the cost of what that stain of slavery costs of an extended period of time, America would have been far greater, far quicker had there never been slavery and America predominately white. There is not a race, creed or color that so greatly exaggerates their contribution to the free world as the black race. That is why I believe with all my heart America’s days are numbered.

    In our zeal to be “fair”, we have become amoral and misguided. We have become cowards, abandoning the obvious truths.

    Let’s not pretend are best days are ahead of us. Wars and rumors of wars are on the horizon. Barack Obama has been a plague upon this land making things dramatically worse. Debt is unsustainable. Our children and grandchildren will suffer for our excesses and our stupidity. And without divine intervention which I no longer believe is forthcoming for America, it is imminent America will become Balkanized.

    I believe the best to hope for is for America to fracture – perhaps places can restore the ideals which made this country once great.

    Now today, in this society, the black populace far removed from the bondage have been handed a gift that few if any of their ancestors ever got the chance to experience: freedom and opportunity. And what have they done? The same as most have always done. Blown it and made war.

    Blacks are without excuse. In fact, the excuses are about all that is left with far too many black Americans. We have thrown literally trillions of dollars to rectify any previous sins because we were promised by imbeciles money would make thing right. But the cure is a two way street – one that too many of your brethren have refused to walk.

  236. Hopefully the SNL stunt will start cooling off Trump fever. I certainly didn’t stay up to watch the buffoon perform and I couldn’t find any positive views in the news this morning.

  237. How about that rabbit? Congratulations. Our grand daughter gave me a cold, and I went to bed before the game was over. Nebraska is so bad this season ticket sales are declining. I thought of you when the last score I heard was Michigan 24-Nebraska 20.

  238. Thanks, Rutherford.

    ‘”The Audacity of Myth; How the Media Ignored Obama’s lies about his Own Biography and memoir” 2013 is linked to Newsbusters. A rumor that Bill Ayres wrote or helped Obama write his book has circulated.

    The liberal media did not hector Obama about his biographical discrepancies, and since they didn’t I expect the same consideration for Carson. If he is lying about something relevant to policy, then I will pay attention.

  239. One could say that all countries were founded in racism. The first white settlers who arrived seeking freedom took freedom away from the native American Indians. Africans revolted against Spanish settlers and formed what is now Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Assyrians migrated from Babylon and invaded what is now called Germany. New races mixed their blood with that of the peoples of the Roman Empire and formed the nations of Europe today. We can rightly assume this process was not done peacefully.

    I may be wrong but I don’t see other countries striving to provide reparations to the degree America does. We have apologized in money to the Native Americans, the Japanese now the African American. When does it cease?

  240. Give a man a fish…You feed him for a day.
    Teach a man to fish…you feed him for a lifetime.

    Promise a man somebody else’s fish for a lifetime…you have the makings of a Democrat.

  241. How will Hillary?
    Going deeper much like I thought Romney would run like a Jacksonian I always thought he’d govern like a Hamiltonian. In that same thinking I find Cruz an unabashed Jacksonian and that actually isn’t a bad thing given some of his libertarian leanings.
    Basically Cruz as POTUS would stand for social values but wouldn’t get very far other than leadership which is important. On FP he’s not as hawkish as some think he is and has a record against intervening in Syria over the issue of US national interests and wants to curtail the NSA although not to the degree he wants to hit the IRS.
    He actually has a tax plan which although I don’t think would come to full fruition,I support it fully.
    I think Cruz could govern the Executive branch very well in the post 2016 world.
    Lets explore that world.
    Paul Ryan is the sitting Speaker,the GOP holds both houses of the Legislature and the various caucuses can be somewhat placated by a agenda filled first 100.
    Oil and gas are going to rise and a conservative spin will come to renewables as well as reentry of the Keystone pipeline and perhaps that free Detroit bridge marking the beginning of a North America First Policy that is literally sitting on a number of shelves waiting to being given a crack. These two items of economic reality and mutual symbolism is much desired in both Ottawa and Washington.
    Ryan Cruz will help quell the Freedom folks as they could easily chip away at some bullet points.
    The Democrats would be an issue but I sadly came to the conclusion some time ago that gems are more open to compromise and bidding their time. The only thing facing them with two barrels of STFU is they are increasingly losing at the state level and only holding their own locally in a status quo kind of way.
    So in summary I obviously don’t think HRC is better liked or capable of compromise and governance. Cruz is in my mind now the only electable GOPer and more than capable of governing in the reality of the post ’16 environment.
    Hope that helps as I am pressed for time but wanted to offer a thoughtful response.

  242. “It was. You deny it?”

    Yes.

    Thank for finally admitting your extrapolation. Finally back to the point. Your juvenile debate strategy gets tired. Perhaps you’ve learned that indignation is not argument.

    Oh wait. I see that’s exactly where you’re going to unwittingly make the point for the third time in one thread. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  243. “Hopefully the SNL stunt will start cooling off Trump fever.”

    It didn’t cool off Hillary fever. As long as Trump is around…well, nope, actually the Dems still have the worst human being in politics as their nominee.

    But yeah, these fevered folks need to chill –

    Caution: NSFW, even though no one over about 11 years old appears in this stunt)

  244. “ohhh I’m grabbing my Kleenex…”

    To give to whom? This lady?

    Imagine Barack Obama standing in Ben Carson’s shoes at that presser. You can’t.

    Vetted, no. Petted? Yes.

  245. The truth is, when measured against the cost of what that stain of slavery costs of an extended period of time, America would have been far greater, far quicker had there never been slavery and America predominately white.

    I couldn’t even get through your entire comment it was so wrong headed and bitter. But I will address this:

    Imagine how much further this country would have come if slavery had not consumed the national debate for almost a century before its abolition and well over a century after.

    Imagine if, like TRUE Christians, we had missionaries in Africa telling what you say were savages that there was a free world they could go to.

    Imagine if blacks were brought here to facilitate their salvation and make them part of this beautiful American Dream.

    Think what more this country could have achieved with an entire African immigrant population assimilated, treated equally from the get go, and contributing fully to the nations welfare.

    You view the glass half empty with the blatantly BIGOTED stance that blacks were losers from square one and the country would have been better off without them.

    Your screed is the product of a needlessly bitter mind. You’ve had a great life. You have zero cause to be so emotionally uncharitable. I refuse to believe you stand by what you wrote. You’re better than that.

  246. The liberal media did not hector Obama about his biographical discrepancies, and since they didn’t I expect the same consideration for Carson. If he is lying about something relevant to policy, then I will pay attention.

    I agree. On Face the Nation, John Dickerson asked Carson about “receiving” a scholarship. Carson corrected him. He NEVER said received. He said “offered”. It makes you wonder if the media speaks English or do they flat out lie.

    But I’ve experienced Carson’s problem right here on this blog. I said VERY clearly that Obama was vetted by the RIGHT leaning media and yet a half dozen people misrepresented the comment and mocked me.

    So a couple of things may be afoot. Folks are just plain dumbass stupid OR they are so eager to fight their enemy that they twist words to engage in the fight. Either way, as an American phenomenon, we are royally screwed. When the English language cannot be employed to convey commonly understood meaning (like “received” v “offered” or “vetted by the right” v “vetted by everyone”) we are totally fucked.

  247. I may be wrong but I don’t see other countries striving to provide reparations to the degree America does. We have apologized in money to the Native Americans, the Japanese now the African American. When does it cease?

    You are wrong. Germany’s reparations to Israel were quite formal. And what reparations have blacks received? None. The welfare state? That benefits poor whites as well. There was a time more poor whites were on food stamps than blacks. Native Americans, yes. The Japanese, yes. Blacks, not just no but HELL NO.

    I’m not calling for reparations now. It’s too late. I’ve said consistently its high time blacks stop waiting for whites to love them and start loving themselves.

  248. “I said VERY clearly that Obama was vetted by the RIGHT leaning media”

    There you have it folks…. Obama was vetted by Fox News and am radio….

  249. “It was. You deny it?” – R; Yes. – Tigre

    Then all I can say is you are either:

    1) Ignorant of history
    2) In honest denial and delusion
    3) Just outright lying

    I preferred Emily’s answer to yours. At least her premise is that being an immoral hypocritical scumbag is not uniquely American.

  250. Obama gets voted president and somehow Rutherford only talks about all those mean racists, particularly on the right.

    8 years later and the GOP front runner is black…and Rutherford continues to talk about all those rrrrrrrrracists out there, particularly on the right.

    So boring. The fact Carson is even in the conversation proves Rutherford is full of hot air.

    Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Redistribution. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race. Race.

  251. Rutherford,

    You view the glass half empty with the blatantly BIGOTED stance that blacks were losers from square one and the country would have been better off without them.

    What’s bigoted about realizing Africans aren’t going to be managing the super collider anytime soon, or building hyper velocity planes in the near future? When one of them achieves like Carson, he’s torn down by the herd of dumb clucks lined up to buy Air Jordans they can’t afford.

    That is the definition of stupid and inferior.

    Losers? I said these slaves were backward and victims. But their progeny actually won the lottery. There’s a big difference between losers and backward. Not as advanced and perhaps too many unteachable with attitude now.

    Do you know how many trillions have been spent in this nation to rectify the supposed stain of slavery? And I say that because the phenomenon is that black culture is dragging us down, and worse instead of white America picking them up, far too much white trash is emulating inferior black thug culture. I loathe white trash more than I do black racists – they are even less with viable excuse.

    I’m saying you’re not a victim of slavery but a benefactor of white America. Period. All Africans are. Don’t believe me, take a first class trip to the most advanced nation with black populace in the world – which you would never have to get on the plane if you admitted the truth.

    Did you know about 30 black players from the Missouri football team is boycotting their scholarships because “somebody” heard some racial epithet and saw a fecal swastika painted on the bathroom wall? Who knew that was now racism directed toward blacks? 😆 No, I kid you not and they are demanding the President of the University resign or they won’t play.

    I’d kick their sorry, stupid asses off that campus so fast, their heads would swim with a notice in hand their scholarship revoked. And if they were so much as seen on campus again, they would be headed to the pokey for trespassing.

    And by the way. You know those black churches in St. Louis being burned to the ground by the Klan? Did you see this?

    http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/10/30/splc-wrong-again-black-male-arrested-for-st-louis-church-arsons/

    This kind of shit is going on all the time by blacks and the Left.

  252. Imagine how much further this country would have come if slavery had not consumed the national debate for almost a century before its abolition and well over a century after.

    That’s a pretty stupid comment for someone calling out somebody else’s history knowledge.

  253. Just about the time The Beatles were breaking up, this song became a big hit. Why it popped into my head yesterday, I have no idea. Any of you old farts remember this morbid thing? I can still see this 45 playing on my friend’s phonograph who died this week. Maybe that’s why…

  254. There you have it folks…. Obama was vetted by Fox News and am radio….

    Yes he was … watched and listened to by millions. Never heard you tell Tex he was full of shit when he said Fox News was the ratings leader. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    You started the clusterfuck by not reading what I originally wrote. Then the dopey Tigre and Muffy followed you off the cliff. Typical.

  255. Interesting article, Rutherford.

    As I read it, I watched the last of a Sprint Cup race. Brad Keslouski (SP) is a contender in the last stages of the chase. He really needed a win to assure his viability in the next race which will have four contenders. Brad ran a great race and led for over 300 laps. It looked like his victory with his ticket punched the way Hillary has seemed inevitable.

    Enter Jimmy Johnson in the last laps. He was the first important and consistent challenger this afternoon. Both drivers desperately used all of their skills and knowledge to win. After some close calls, Johnson led in the lap that counted, because he had the faster car. Johnson is not in contention.

    That article and the document Hillary signed may be her Jimmy Johnson. Johnson and the document don’t end Brad’s or Hillary’s chances, but both are approaching must win situations. Like Brad she must win primaries to stay in the chase. In Hillary’s case, the stakes are higher. An electoral victory might be her chance to stay out of prison.

  256. Rabbit, Carson serves the same purpose for white gop’ers as Obama did for Dems. “I love Carson! See, I’m not a racist.”

    Forget white people. Enough about them. Here’s the REAL question. Blacks have a chance to put two brothers in a row in the WH. And this one is a REAL bro, not some half-breed who has no visceral knowledge of black poverty. So why isn’t Carson getting blacks fired up?

    Serious question. And if anyone has polling data proving me wrong, go for it.

  257. I wish you had addressed the meat of my remark Tex. What would have happened if Africans were brought here with noble intention? How different might things have been?

  258. ” So why isn’t Carson getting blacks fired up? Serious question.”

    Serious answer. I don’t don’t give a flying fuck. Blacks vote like total morons. They are a herd of morons, actually. A swarm of locasts have more diversity of thought.

    I should not be the one explainin’….they should be.

  259. I don’t remember hearing that song, Tex. I was out of the country when the Beatles broke up and missed some of our national cultural developments.

    However, I do know the band had an association with Grand Funk Railroad and I think they opened for the band.

    This video tells a true story. Connie was an Arkansas entertainer who was also a card shark. She enjoyed playing cards with the band and others.

    The band did have an encounter with some female fans at an Omaha hotel, and the hotel detective smuggled them to their room. Omaha DJ Jimmy O’Neil who had hosted the national show Shindig found the detective, but he refused to be interviewed.

    The band exaggerated as politicians do. The visit was G rated and no one damaged property. Its version sounded more interesting and fit their stereotype.

    I just gave a hunter permission to hunt on our property and suggested he might also want to try another piece of land he didn’t know we own. Deer are as Bryant Gumbol once said are rats with antlers.

  260. We attended my cousin’s memorial service yesterday. His two daughters told private stories about him for nearly thirty minutes. It was hard for them, but I liked the inclusion in a funeral service. The American Legion was short handed, so I became an impromptu member of the honor guard.

  261. Connie was also a groupy who entertained numerous bands who passed through. She later said Bill Clinton had propositioned her. Clinton said she had propositioned him, and nothing came of it.

  262. I wish you had addressed the meat of my remark Tex. What would have happened if Africans were brought here with noble intention? How different might things have been?

    Isn’t the real question if the intent were “noble”, why would they have brought your ancestors at all and if they hadn’t short of the NBA, NFL, and perhaps the great Motown sound, how much economically better off and literate would America be now?

    Bernie brags about those homogenized Scandinavian countries? Maybe he ought to give better consideration for what he is really addressing. Because just like Iowa and Wisconsin have wonderful SAT scores, so too does suburbia. I wonder why? 🙂

    Now in fairness, it’s not you I am really talking about. You’re anything but typical. But when you interject that black stupidity screed which I’m not even sure you really buy, I gots to call you on it, Superfly.

  263. Rutherford….as an educated, middle aged man…how come you didn’t vet Obama?

    Instead, you started a new hobby……and made yourself an online laughing stock on the way. Why?

    He was your Mao….You were an insane zealot. What does that say about your charecter?

    Passion baby!

    I get voting for him. Dumb…but I get it.

    But you….you were something far different. You were a cult member. Your life revolved around him.

    Why so personally invested?

    Do you think you tried to unconsciously fill the void of a Godless life or was it a jobless life?

    You aren’t really black in the American sense. So…no go there.

    8 years into Obama and you live in an unkept apartment that, by the pictures, I can only assumes stinks. So…personally….his presidency represents an era of personal decline, including even hygene…..

    What gives, homeboy….why the rabid fan boy shit?

    Looking back….are you embarssed?

    When exactly did you switch from spending your time writing about how Obama is the best to spending your time writing gutless, passive aggressive quips about how Obama is not the worst?

    Die Verwandlung! Fascinating!

  264. “Rabbit, Carson serves the same purpose for white gop’ers as Obama did for Dems. “I love Carson! See, I’m not a racist.” “

    That’s quite racist actually.

    I’d like him no matter what color he was. I doubt anyone can say the same about Obama.

  265. “Rabbit, Carson serves the same purpose for white gop’ers as Obama did for Dems. “I love Carson! See, I’m not a racist.””

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Fucking Rutherford. You’re a racist for supporting a black man.

    Gawd, this is priceless.

  266. I like Carson and it has nothing to do with his race. Nothing.

    So sick of rrrrrrrrrrrrrrace by you skin colored obsessed psycopath libs. Do you guys ever ever stop?

    You people are like Iranian Mullahs ranting about Israel.

    I don’t think Carson is President material…how ever. But I wouldn’t mind him proving me wrong.

  267. I am posting this because Macy Kate is similar to how I imagine DR. Ben Carson must have been during some of his early life. Both are Christians, and both are talented. Both have a strong work ethic. Macy sacrificed many of her teen years to achieve her dream of singing.

    Her video, a cover of an Imagine Dragon song became viral and helped make her famous when she was only 14. Imagine Dragons is a Mormon band, so Macy and they are part of the culture wars.

    She may not be as smart as Carson, but she makes up for it with hard work.

    Yes, that is racist, actually.

  268. I can still see this 45 playing on my friend’s phonograph who died this week.

    Sorry for your loss Tex. I lost my closest non-family member two weeks ago. Still hurts.

  269. I’ve noticed that nothing meaningful is ever said beyond calling attention to race and to self.

    I’ve also wondered who Black Lives Matter is trying to convince.

  270. An illegal free alien under San Francisco’s sanctuary status shot Kate Steinle in the back.

    Micheal Brown charged a police officer who killed him.

    These are just two examples of Obama’s different reactions to whites and blacks.

    It is easy to conclude that our president is as racist as many of his supporters.

    He may be practicing a form of reparations by favoring minorities who suffered in the past. Either way, Obama and his supporters are an evil scourge on this country. They are as Sami singer Sofia Jannok has said, foreign occupiers.

  271. In response to Rabbit, your only perspective of me is through this blog. I assure you the past eight years I have been little more obsessed with Obama than you. I’ve been living a life. Yeah, with some hard knocks but that’s life. And I might remind you that when up against it, in my so called decline, I sold my house with honor and paid my debt to the bank. I didn’t deliberately default. I only bring that up since you choose to be so flippant about my hygiene.

    And I’ve got news for you. Millions of people still love Obama and defend him. They’d consider this blog over the past couple of years to be a piss poor defense of him. Your assumption everyone hates him as much as you do is actually pretty sheltered and arrogant.

  272. Oh please don’t think I’m not aware of the ignorant mob.

    Ironically, if Tex and I didnt troll your public Obamagasm, you’d still be popping.
    You were called out.

    The Obamabots you speak of would be pissed your defending him period. They have no better defense then you do outside of Das Racist! Squashing words. So, when we see you going back to the script- “Das Racist”….which you do quite a bit….we call you out.

  273. “Oh please don’t think I’m not aware of the ignorant mob.”

    Thinking. Man’s. Party.

    Get it right. All kinds of thinking there.

  274. I couldn’t believe she actually went there, but apparently she did! This is one crazy world, Tex. I can’t find an area or place where insanity hasn’t been loosed and for the most part embraced. Tick tock. When’s it gonna stop? This has become one wild and crazy ride, for sure. Clowns are popping all over. Quite a distraction really. Amusing diversions all. When Hillary is the best the left can offer and half of this nation deems that acceptable, the end can’t be too distant. Even Bernie gave Hillary a pass, and will pledge his support for her when he isn’t named the nominee and the rubber truly meets the road.

    I’m still waiting for one or two of these role models to spontaneously combust. That would be awesome! That it could be caught on video and broadcast to the world would be my hope. I think if Hillary and/or McCain flame on first it would be stupendous. I could enthusiastically vote for that. What could be more humane?

  275. So the Missouri university folks buckled under the threats of the nigger thugs. They more obviously fretted over the loss of millions in sports related revenue but hey lets tell the fucktards they won something so they can go forth under the delusion that they’ll amount to something secondary to acting like racist niggers.
    Good piece on the theme behind it
    http://www.city-journal.org/2015/eon1109hm.html

  276. They are black this time. I knew them when they were mostly white.

    Skin color doesn’t matter. They are all bigots.

    Their ancestors showed we veterans what they thought of us during the Vietnam War. A job counselor told a Navy friend and me that if we
    wanted to find jobs we should hide our military service. I dropped out to farm and freed myself of such people. I do regret that my taxes pay their welfare checks.

  277. I’ll just leave here what I left at PJ so I don’t repeat myself concerning the farce at Missouri. I can not wait for the day this blows up in the face of everyone of these campus assholes, from the pavement apes, to the feckless administration, to the POS on the football team. And it is a coming. Let’s starve mofos out of existence – fuck ‘um every way possible and they’ll be too stupid to even know it. You know what needs to be done. 😈

    I call everyone of these black racists liars and nothing but a feckless mob. I call every one of the faculty who participated in this travesty both fools and propagandists and believe they should be fired at the end of the semester. I call every regent of the University of Missouri cowards. And I call Gary Pinkel, coach of the Missouri football team, an utter disgrace.

    If Missouri Alumni have an ounce of sense they will immediately rescind their request for season tickets to all athletic events, stop with every penny of donations to the university, and demand Gary Pinkel be fired before the football team plays its next game. In addition, all football players who threatened who participated in this farce should be notified that their scholarships will not be renewed at the end of the year and they are free to transfer to another university without penalty – but they will not play for the Missouri football team again. Let these stupid jocks get a taste what half an undergraduate studies degree is worth. I can virtually guarantee no division 1 football program will offer a scholarship, so these imbeciles can play in front of a dozen fans at community college on Friday night, finishing up their careers as totally irrelevant.

    This is two white individuals, both innocent, that have had their careers ruined through no fault of their own – one a police officer and one a university President. That is straight up racism of the worst sort.

  278. Alfie, pop the popcorn and enjoy bigoted left devouring itself.

    Take solace in the reality that if they ever turn their thuggery on those of us outside the white ivory tower they will be met with violence they can’t imagine.

    The disgusting left will feast on itself and make a mockery of itself.

    The college campus is a doe doe bird. The day draw nears for a complete educational revolution.

    No hard working person of any color should be forced to pay money to be marginalized by this scum….and….soon they will say fuck you! The tuition isn’t worth it.

    Other alternatives will crop up and the free market will save the day.

    Meanwhile these miserable fucking bullies can circle jerk all by their loansome.

    Just think…this is the environment Rutherford dreams of spending his last days…..

    There is no place in America less free then a college campus.

  279. “I joined the union for the sole purpose of getting legal help against students and admins who side with them.”

    I hear you, man.

  280. The American Campus is becoming an extortion zone and thats pathetic. There is clearly a movement aspiring to grow that pits students as the owners of the educational institutions.
    The Left is so blatantly hypocritical as well. If 30 red neck white boys boycotted a sports program there would be blood.
    The Missouri case has all the markings of a contrived bit of extreme activism.

  281. The American campus’ days are numbered as they know it for no other reason than affordability and not delivering as promised. There’s a backlash coming against these College Presidents that will make a bunch of racist bangers look like choir boys.

    Higher education for the most part has become extortion in and of itself.

    The fact it creates these fanatical activists and racists is the Left eating itself. They created these black monsters. Now these assholes can deal with them, before the rest of us close the door in their face in the employment line and they go back to selling crack on the corner.

    There’s a part of me that says don’t interfere when your enemy is eating itself. Rutherford thinks the Republican Party is becoming irrelevant?

    Maybe so. But it would appear to me the facade of the Democratic Wall is breaking at every gate.

  282. I am glad I live on a farm. The white thugs were so violent they shut down universities and smashed businesses. The National Guard was called out.

    The black variety has distance to travel before reaching the level of anti war protesters.

    Yes, I believe the Democratic wall is cracking. So is much of liberal Europe.

    Of more immediate interest, is tomorrow’s storm. Parts of northeast Colorado and northwest Kansas may have a blizzard. Our area should have thunderstorms, some strong to severe with a possible tornado outbreak in northern Missouri and southern Iowa,

    During the afternoon, the temperature may plunge 30 degrees in a couple of hours as wind gusts of about 60MPH become possible. Heavy, cold rain may change to snow before it ends. Cold air is still locked in Canada, so we won’t have the blizzard we might have had.

    We will celebrate Veterans Day in Omaha, but we ought to get out of town after noon.

  283. Last week it came to light that Beijing’s state-run China Radio International secretly owns 60% of a U.S. company, G&E Studio, which leases stations and airtime in Washington, Philadelphia, Boston and San Francisco, among other cities. …” while MSM headlines are full of #BLM events.

  284. Ahhh….Rutherford’s campus life. Bastion of the 1st amendment and flowcof ideas.

    Note the assualt of this student journalist is being led by a Prof.

    Disgusting fascist left….I beg you try this shit off of campus.

    Can you imagine the Tea Party acting this way.

    Fuck Rutherford’s mob.

  285. Rabbit,

    Idiot students acting fascists are one thing. They are profoundly stupid and a disgrace.

    But the professor and the administrators, Ms. Click and Ms. Bassler, are quite another – especially consider this was the commons, off limits to no student.

    I believe we could “resolve” this messy issue concerning the insufferably hideous and thuggish University of Missouri professor and administrator with Concerned Alumni 2015, by simply having a few of the large donors demand that Ms. Click and Bassler join the former Missouri President in tendering their resignations or the spigot will be turned off.

  286. Looks like the bitch professor at Missou is on the ropes. 😈 She should fired, frog marched off the campus, and docked for the letterhead, equipment, and time wasted on extracurricular activities.

  287. The graduate student who went on a hunger strike is from Omaha. A local station interviewed his mother who said she didn’t know if she would have had the courage he did to risk his life to correct a racist situation.

    The reporter was sickenly sympathetic. Parents have helped create this I hope that professor looses her job.

  288. So the Mzzerable hunger striker is the son of a Union Pacific executive who is a 1% and also an ordained minister.
    On the surface one can see where the guy gets the foundation for his Millenial Maoist antics.

  289. This teacher has resigned from her appointment in the communications department and is going to be an assistant professor in a different department.

  290. Well, I do hope our beloved blog owner is doing okay. When I don’t see him around for a few days, I have to admit though it pains me to admit it, I worry about him and his breathing.

    Maybe it’s unexpectedly losing my friends that is making me a softy. A real puss these days.

  291. Melissa Click reportedly “shut herself in her university office on Tuesday afternoon and sobbing could be heard through the door.” (Boo hoo hoo).

    At 5 p.m. Tuesday, Click emerged from her office and released a written statement apologizing for her actions.

    She said she had personally apologized to the journalists involved and expressed regret that she had shifted attention from the “students’ campaign for justice.” “From this experience I have learned about humanity and humility,” Click said.

    Good. Now she can learn about the humility of unemployment and experience job hunting with a communications degree.

  292. Ok….I hope Rutherford is just sick of me or us or politics.

    While the guy is clearly an enemy of sort….I can’t help but care about the dude.

  293. Rutherford is alive, and I am working on a new review.

    And a professor from MU resigned after his students threw a fit because he would not reschedule a mid-term, which they did not want to take because they feel “unsafe”.

    I wonder, at what point does it start to matter that faculty feels “unsafe”?

  294. Liberalism is a disease. It destroys everything it comes in contact with. Since it thrives in vacuums and places where it isn’t challenged….the victims are often fellow liberals. Blacks…college kids…professors…factory workers…union teachers…hell even Bernie Sanders.

  295. I find it ironic that he “minority interest” on the Missouri campus would be scared to come to class after nebulous death threats, but have no problem walking the streets of Ferguson or East St. Louis at night?

    I wonder when these gutless, white wonder breads are going to have enough and somebody finally gets the spine to say “Shakedown.”

  296. I re entered civilian life convinced that what I had seen was a fluke. I fantacized about the community of scholars who cared about finding the truth and telling their students. This song describes how I felt the night I realized what a fool I had been.

    I already know about the leftist fraud. I lived in the sewer for four semesters of grad school before I discovered they were our enemies. Quitting to farm was one of the best decisions of my life.

    There is also evidence that the university race incidents were fraudulent. I hope they burn to the ground.

  297. That video of the MO prof. reminds me of the OWS turds getting all bowed up with their pointless indignation. Safety in numbers. The herd mentality. The manufactured outrage. Intolerance. Righteous victimhood. Manufacturing non-existent threats. The empowerment of people that controlled entirely by emotion.

    It’s just so fucking weird.

  298. “…conservative complaints about academia’s liberalism don’t have an obvious analog on the left: you don’t usually find liberals calling for, say, the military to be less right wing—they just tend to accept it. So why doesn’t the right accept the liberalism of academia as just part of the nature of things?”

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/higher-education-liberal-research-indoctrination

    The above is an interesting article. Campuses have been hot beds of unrest for centuries. The anti-war and black power riots of the 60’s to 80’s were far and away more severe than what was witnessed at MU. Police gassing and beating students was par for the course following upheavals. I did several google searches and really couldn’t find any history of riots at top MBA schools so liberal arts colleges apparently are the bastion of riots so why don’t we accept “liberalism of academia as just part of the nature of things?”

    IMO today’s hatred of all things liberal and all things conservative is a mask by some people who really want to rant against or for racism.

  299. That Mizzou professor and epic dork got caught up in thinking she was part of something really radical, her chance at reestablishing the counter culture, ala Weather Underground and Bill Ayers, and to look enlightened and righteous with the equally self-righteous and stupid snowflakes posing as students.

    Apparently, Carrot Top Click understands nothing of 1st Amendment rights.

    The idiot must have forgot that there are consequences for being “cool” when you got a mortgage and car payment to make – hence the tears. Trust me, the real Melissa Click is the turd on the video. The only reason she is groveling now isn’t lesson learned – it’s unemployment.

    Let’s not let the other two equally self-righteous administrative phonies off the hook either. The “Religious Studies’ professor, cough cough, and the bulbous woman of unknown purpose leading the Greek Association at $67K a year need to join Click in the soup lines.

  300. Man, that Click resume is a howler. 😆 😆 Perfect as a matter of fact. The stand out line:

    One possible benefit of the scandals that have emerged in recent days at Yale and the University of Missouri is that they might lift the lid on the real scandal: the stupidity of much of what passes for a college education.

  301. What do you think about that fraudulent hunger strike fanatic and leading the charge demanding The entire university announce the truth of ‘White Privilege’ when his daddy and “preacher” cough cough pulled down $8.4M last year as railroad exec? 😆 😆

    You can’t make this shit up. Reads like a South Park episode.

  302. I saw it with my own eyes, Emily Bronte. The riots of the sixties and seventies were more violent than what we have seen recently, as you wrote.

    The struggle may be a mask for some people’s racism, but it also creates racists when it is framed in racial terms. The sixties and seventies riots were mostly over less obvious racial disputes.

  303. I’d be willing to say a number of campuses experience spirited if misguided exploration of views and opinions. It is part and parcel to living in the vacuum that is academia. If you turned back time I doubt one would find Socrates,Pluto or Newton to in touch with society of the time.
    The problem today,unlike the 60’s&70’s say is that the challenging and questioning is so thoroughly without merit and that a big part of the fight today is the drive to eliminate the very freedoms that in the past made academia a strength.

  304. Huck. 😆 😆

    Aren’t you glad you’re not teaching at Mizzou? A lot of people are calling these white administrators cowards for leaving. I don’t. I think that was a nice way of departing without saying, “I’m getting the hell out of this Leftist idiocy led by these black hatemongers. You can’t pay me enough.”

    I wasn’t kidding when I said this was a made for TV Southpark script. It doesn’t even need writers. Just follow the story – the .1% wealthy black kid wailing about ‘white privilege’, the crazed professor, the Greek administrator of unknown purpose pushing the journalist, the pathetic football team and coach, and the inane white lackeys playing doormat.

    Matt Damon!!!!

  305. 🙂 I have to admit, I’m kind of enjoying watching these useful idiots that created these entitled monsters now suffering a well deserved fate. What’s the cliche? Hoisted by their own petard?

    Nonetheless, I had some really outstanding professors too who would have marched these rejects out the door for this kind of idiocy. I have been contemplating what the result of this is going to be for them. The two I still know could walk anytime and go right back into medicine if they so chose.

    Now the little shits are demanding “free education,” and their student loans forgiven. I know a lot of Dem College Presidents that are puckering up about right now. 😈

    Cause you just know the Chamber of Commerce is expecting a return on their investment.

  306. Maybe Rutherford through in the towel and retired. He’s moved to campus living out the rest of his days with those open and young minds.

    Livin’ the dream, baby.

  307. Tex, you know you are in metro Detroit when you see 12 sows in burkas swimming in the lake at the beach.

    I couldn’t agree more. I’m also ok with subsidized hearing protection, so they never hear a opinion they find unpalatable.

  308. I’m deeply troubled. I have no love for college admins and students have legitimate gripes that they aren’t even aware of. Students are not, in fact, the priority. Their needs a complete mystery to the admins and most faculty.

    Boomers have done this. Progressed themselves and naturally the kids right out of their fucking minds.

  309. This is not accidental. The anti American left is funding Black Lives Matter and if not doing so already, giving to people fostering the college unrest.

    According to the Washington Times,George Soros is donating millions of dollars to organizations like BLM. Google is helping too.

    At the risk of sounding like Poolman, I believe this is an orchestrated wave of astroturf to energize the dependent, ignorant and gullible masses in the manner of OWS which began during a primary season.

    They need to energize voters disenchanted by Obama and tired of the old candidates like Hillary.

  310. Muffy, isn’t that the case in most misguided and dangerous radical movements?

    Hell….the Germans in 1930….Russians living under the Czar…even Cubans under Batista….all had legitimate gripes.

  311. James this is ABSOLUTELY an organized effort. I’m sorry to sound so harsh but 12% of any population isn’t allowed to be this big a pain in the ass.

  312. I understand while I was out today, Dear Leader Barack Obama announced ISIS was contained on one of the morning shows.

    The man’s timing is truly impeccable. Yes We Can! 😡

  313. Yesterday: “What is true, from the start our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them.”

    Today: “Once again we’ve seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians. This is an attack not just on Paris, it’s an attack not just on the people of France, but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share.”

    “We don’t yet know all the details of what has happened. But rest assured we will find and arrest the maker of this disgusting film.”

    I might have made up that last part….

  314. Some of those worthless little pukes complain that the Paris attacks have stolen their thunder. I already knew they were worthless little bags, but their amorality and self-love is even lower than I thought. We should ship the whole lot of them to Syria.

    The emotionality of this may change several dynamics. Black racism and the college cultural revolution might be weakened under the flame of public emotions, and this may be enough to take down the European progressives. Obama should be discredited even more than he is, because he is partly at fault.

  315. Cavuto was great with her. Didn’t insult her or yell like a lunatic. Just calmly made points that she couldn’t address because they are not within the bounds of reality.

  316. “We must stand side-by-side every step of the way with France and our allies around the world to wage and win the struggle against terrorism and violent extremism.”

    Hillary needs to be asked about this and if it means she would put boots into Syria and/or Iraq.

  317. Rutherford….nobody cares about the college sit in you joined over microaggressions and safe spaces.

    I’m sorry the terrorist attacks ruined fantasy island for you. (Sorry…that might have been a microagression towards little people…or Maori tribesman….or….fuck…just sorry)

    You can come home now.

    Plus the kids are mocking your bourgeoisie tendencies behind your back.

    Also…there is a debate if you should even be in the black group of healing and not in the handicapped group of healing.

    Meanwhile the white group of self flatulence I mean flagellation needs some help guilt torturing themselves and have requested you be the cracker since the linebacker currently whipping them is leaving them fleshless.

    By the way, Sebastian, from the sis gender group, thinks you are misogynist. You have been reported.

    I’m really disgusted with the vile left right now and need my chew toy back here trying to defend them.

    Please come back for your spankings.

  318. “The attacks, described by France’s president as an act of war, were designed to show the country would remain in danger as long as it continued its current policies, Islamic State said in a statement.”

    You have to admit. ISIS is 100% correct on that one.

    Charles Martel stopped the stinkbeards a thousand years ago, only so that the left could invite the stinkbeards in, feed them, house them and get slaughtered by them.

    Liberalism is a psycopathic disease!

  319. More Europeans are aware of the threat now, and this attack should energize them even more than they have been during the past few weeks. The same for this country. Otherwise, we are doomed to fight among ourselves while our enemies plot other attacks.

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