The Syrian Migration Crisis – What’s O Got to do With It?

Here at the Bar and Grill, the conversation often turns to casting blame for domestic and international problems and the fellow who usually gets blamed by my mostly conservative clientele is Barack Obama. The notion that the humanitarian disaster underway in the Mideast and Europe right now sits at Obama’s feet seems preposterous to me. Every now and then, one of my patrons expresses things far better than I could so when I saw a comment by frequent customer Thorsaurus, I jumped at the chance to promote it to a featured blog post.

So, with his permission (and a tiny bit of editing on my part), and without further ado, here are Thor’s thoughts on the migration crisis. You can find more of Thor’s writing at his blog.


What should Obama have done differently? Are you saying we should support dictators and strong men in order to prevent a Caliphate? Then why did we remove Saddam? I see no rising Crescent, just a rebranding of the Sunnis in the same lust-for-power turf war that has gone on for centuries. Yes, ISIS is brutal. The Saudis are brutal. Saddam was brutal. Assad is brutal. Assad’s father was brutal. Bashir is brutal. Mubarak was brutal. Qaddafi was brutal. The Shah was brutal. Idi Amin was brutal. Nasser was brutal. The Tuareg were brutal. Kubla Khan was brutal. They are like cockroaches. One gets smashed, three more emerge. Peter, Paul and Jesus couldn’t tame this region. How are we supposed to do it?

It will have to come from the people that live there, if it is to last. If it happens at all, it will require a long series of bloody revolutions. Authoritarians don’t give up their empires easily. We had to defeat the throne twice, and its men still came back and screwed with us during the civil war.

Blame Obama if you want, but he is just the latest in a long list of Presidents that couldn’t “solve” the Middle East. And our involvement, really only since the end of WWII, only represents a sliver of the time these people have been fighting this battle. The suffering is hard to watch, but I’m coming to the conclusion that intervening in the Middle East is like trying to help an alcoholic. We can be careful to protect ourselves while giving support, but the only way to end the pain is for the addict themselves to embrace a new way of life.


All I can say is BRAVO! What do you think? The bar is open.

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981 thoughts on “The Syrian Migration Crisis – What’s O Got to do With It?

  1. It was the weirdest speech I’ve ever seen.

    The joking, not joking, for real though, just kidding prime time speech Obama gave about going to war with Syria after his red line. Awkward isn’t the right word, becuase this wasn’t a dinner party joke that didn’t go over well. This was the painfully obvious bluff of the President of the United States. And it was called.

    Losing face doesn’t some it up either. This was a President so dumb and naive, he was incapable of understanding the reality of chemical weapons and Assad’s willingness to use them.

    Assad was right of course. Obama wasn’t going to do shit about shit. But far worse was the void that a completely punked President left. Not just in the Middle East…the entire world.

    So we see the Ukraine ripped in half….after a debate where liberals yucked it up over Obama’s clever joke about Russia no longer being a threat like the 80s. Prime time.

    Notice no mention of that here.

    The wrong is glaring. And it’s common.

    ISIS is JV. Now they have a state.

    The one thing I figured I could at least bank on was Obama not removing a regime without a back up plan. Well….Libya is a cluster fuck….and liberals don’t care about it.

    But Yemen? The regime bragged about their role in Yem….aww…man…Mad Max. Fuck. I Obama only on the hook for the good times.

    And the gutless libs, after telling us how important it was for Obama to be President becuase the world would like us again…now say the world is an evil landscape that no President can sway.

    You libs are jokes.

  2. I have already written how I agree and disagree with Thor
    Obama
    is the must immediately culpable because he virtually abandoned the region and he actively worked to destabilize various countries. He was probably well-meaning, but he was so stupid, even I could predict the outcome and did. We all did.

    Bush and Clinton are also part of the folly, but they have been gone a long time. Obama has had time to make the situation worse than it was when he inherited it.

    The Middle East is strategically important if only for its oil. Great powers have battled over the Middle East for generations. We cannot ignore events there because if we do, they will visit us as Middle Easterners have already done.

    Europeans have discovered to their chagrin what happens when they play with fire.

    My reply to BRAVO is Psssssst.

  3. Obama is also a liar. This comment was not directly about the Middle East, but it illustrates the same character failures which are leading us into the unknown.

    “Irony is visiting the Arctic to talk about climate change AFTER APPROVING SHELL’S ARCTIC DRILLING PERMITS.” Sofia Jannok.

  4. From the prior thread, what was most remarkable about the “Guam tip over” comment was the grace with which the congressional witness handled the question. He must have been thinking “what an utter moron” but he showed enormous respect and restraint in his answer.

    Impressive.

  5. The only thing I’ve learned about Obama re Syria that REALLY bothers me is that the red line comment was not planned in advance. It was impromptu at a press conference and O’s own advisors were thinking WTF????

  6.  “It was impromptu at a press conference and O’s own advisors were thinking WTF???”

    You just got your chump card pulled. Bad. The whole world watched. And if you remember, it was a slow motion affair. Disastrous.

    So what would damage control look like after such a blunder?

    I don’t know….would you pretend like you didn’t mean it?

    I would. Big time.

    Turn it into a put my foot in my mouth gaffe.

    Now remember, he went with the redline thing more then once.

    I call bull shit.

    It wasn’t an off the cuff dumb dumb comment. Think a little Rutherford.

    Either the President is so incompetent he makes off the cuff comments about war, like some two bit dictator or he fucked up so bad he wants you to think he did exactly that.

    I noticed in my first comment I used the word “some” like the word “sum”. I’m a fucking moron.

  7. “The only thing I’ve learned about Obama re Syria that REALLY bothers me is that the red line comment was not planned in advance. ”

    The only thing that bothers you……wow.

  8. I amend what I said in the prior thread about Brock being a butthead.

    He’s a hypocritical drama queen prick. After watching an interview of him where the interviewer (John Heilemann) could barely hide his contempt, I did a quick wiki. Brock used to be a flaming conservative who had some strange awakening and became a flaming liberal. While on either side of the fence, he’s been a destructive prick.

    He’s now going after Bernie with the fervor of HRC’s most ardent drag queens.

    I guess you’ve figured out I don’t like the guy.

    I read a book co-authored by him last year on Benghazi which was basically a fail.

  9. Rabbit I’m basing my impromptu comment on a PBS Frontline doc on Obama’s handling of the Middle East which was not a puff piece.

    And Rabbit, YOU DO think Obama is incompetent enough to make an off the cuff comment about war. JV team was off the cuff. Cambridge cops were stupid was off the cuff.

    Most of the dumb shit he has said was either at a presser or an interview.

  10. Rabbit I published Thor’s comment for a reason. To think Obama had a clear winning strategy in Syria that he ignored is ridiculous. Shit, we didn’t even know who in Assad’s opposition we could trust.

  11. “To think Obama had a clear winning strategy in Syria that he ignored is ridiculous. ”

    Syria was a tough one. No doubt. It’s not easy being President. But damn man, if your strategy is to not get involved, could have it been botched up any worse?

    I wouldn’t have fucked up like that. Would you have?

    He had no strategy. Go back and watch that speech. Holy crap was that must see TV.

    Syria ate Obama alive. Russia ate Obama alive. Libya…nobody cares. Thor is the now the mighty neocon over Libya. Damn the results.

    The administration gloated over Yemen. Bragged about it. No, they don’t mention it now. Either do you and Thor.

  12. “Assad was right of course. Obama wasn’t going to do shit about shit. But far worse was the void that a completely punked President left. Not just in the Middle East…the entire world.

    ….after a debate where liberals yucked it up over Obama’s clever joke about Russia no longer being a threat like the 80s. Prime time.”

    And now today we learn that Obama didn’t go after Assad like he said he wanted to because he thought ol’ Bashar would just burn out and fade away on his own. Instead, he held out and is now getting help by the Bear that Obama used as debate humor.

    Can you imagine how hard Mitt Money laughs in private?

  13. “JV team was off the cuff.”

    Bullshit.

    50 intelligence analysts were telling him different and I don’t buy for a second that he wasn’t aware of the whitewash going on in those reports.

    Rutherford, if you found out that people under you were not telling you the truth about something like ISIS, and their lies to you caused you to mis-speak and say “they are a JV team”, making you look like a complete and utter jackass, wouldn’t you be firing their asses in a very loud and public manner? Don’t you think Obama would if that was how it really went down?

    Use your head, man.

  14. “Can you imagine how hard Mitt Money laughs in private?”

    It’s rather amazing. It’s like Rutherford willed the whole debate out of existence.

  15. I hope Alfie stops by because I seem to remember his offering a half-defense of Obama re the JV remark. Trouble is I don’t remember what he said. I think it involved context.

  16. Tigre notice the view was not held by U.S. alone. Britain and France agreed with us.

    The same can be said of the Iran agreement. We are not lone actors.

    As for whether Obama should can those who feed him bad intel, yeah he should. The dudes not good at firing. Kathleen Sibelius should have been canned the day after the ACA web site went live, or didn’t, as the case may be.

  17. “Understanding the intentions and estimating the capabilities of people who don’t share his worldview are not our President’s strong suits.”

    Hell no. He believed his own hype after the apology tour.

  18. “Tigre notice the view was not held by U.S. alone. Britain and France agreed with us.

    The same can be said of the Iran agreement. We are not lone actors.”

    This is your defense of Obama?

    Holy fuck.

  19. I must say this, the “rise of Putin” does indeed make Romney look like a very smart man.

    If we should have learned anything in 2012 it should have been NEVER condescend to your opponent or suggest he’s dumb. When he has the last laugh, it’s gonna sting.

  20. “I must say this, the “rise of Putin” does indeed make Romney look like a very smart man.”

    It also makes Obama look like an idiot.

  21. “As for whether Obama should can those who feed him bad intel, yeah he should.”

    Ha. He was shaping the “intel” being reported you big dummy.

    God you’re naive.

  22. He was shaping the “intel” being reported you big dummy.

    What I’ve heard so far is intel was shaped before it ever got to his desk.

    In fact Obama and Bush may have more in common than either of us would like to admit.

  23. …the company line was Obama defeated the terrorists so vote for him again.

    Benghazi…JV….it was all about winning the election.

    It was obvious while it was going on. And even more obvious now.

  24. For 6 years we have heard that every single thing that went wrong, Obama knew nothing about it. It was always someone else, he always heard about it while reading the paper and eating his waffles, and he was always just as outraged as we were.

  25. It is a no-win explanation Huck. If true, he’s asleep at the wheel. If false, he’s a liar.

    I predict if history is written by liberals, Obama will be admired for his domestic record and his FP record will be underplayed.

  26. Obama will be admired for his domestic record 

    Yup. Shrinking of the middle class. Poverty of blacks. Food stamps. The collapse of the VA. Racial conflict.

  27. No, but I should have noticed that.

    This wimpy psychedelic music, in head phones, seems to my ears to be an impressive feet to pull off live if you stick with the whole song.

    For better or worse (or both) live music is becoming live studio music.

  28. “DR did you notice I said if history is written by liberals?”

    Wait a minute….I thought liberals cared about shrinking of the middle class. Poverty of blacks. Food stamps. The collapse of the VA. Racial conflict. More then anybody????

  29. “For better or worse (or both) live music is becoming live studio music.”

    Lamb of God was awesome on the live stage. Surprisingly, so was Slipknot. But they were great for different reasons. LoG’s greatness was the music. Slipknot’s was the performance.

    I got my hands on a ticket for Black Sabbath’s final tour, which was no easy feat. The ticket site bogged down fast, I had to spend $75 on a not-great seat, and those tickets are already going for $200+ on the secondary market.

    But all that aside, I’m glad I am going. I can’t miss the final tour of one of my all-time favorite bands.

  30. I scored mega cool points when I was subbing when it got out I liked Lamb of God. Kids would come up and quiz me on my favorite songs and were surprised when I could name several.

    My grandma told me decades ago “you’ll outgrow that music”. She was wrong. 🙂

  31. “So, what was Romney’s solution for Syria?”

    “Mr. Romney has said outright “the United States should work with partners to organize and arm Syrian opposition groups,” and campaign advisers assert that a Romney White House would take a more aggressive leadership role in the process.”

    For Russia?

    “Romney wants to “deter Russian ambitions” to its south by enhancing diplomatic ties, increasing military training and assistance, and negotiating trade pacts and educational exchanges with Central Asian states.”

    There was also mention of sanctions, but I don’t know in what forum since Russia could veto any UNSC sanctions.

    For ISIS?

    “Well, first of all, what we should have done by now is have– is have American troops staying by in– in Iraq, that was something that we argued for years ago.”

    For Libya?

    Couldn’t find that one. He said during his campaign he’d have basically done the same thing re: Gaddaffi. But that doesn’t speak to what he’d have done post-Gaddaffi. I’d look more but it’s late and I’m tired.

  32. We have established that Obama has been harmful to our interests for whatever reason. He did have help from the European leadership whether they followed such policies under pressure from Obama or were willing accomplicies, they are paying now.

    Our grand daughter got really sick last night. She spewed everything she had eaten and even water. Her bedding and sleeper were changed four times.

    She saw me and said “Surprise!” Obama’s mess will be harder to clean.

  33. Rutherford says Obama was deceived by senior advisers that coincidentally carried his political message. 🙄

    But Bush, and Cheney and stuff. Nothing burgers and racists.

  34. Thor, that was a well thought out blog post. I wish the commentaries would answer the question you put forth “What should Obama have done differently?”. Instead it provoked the same old rhetoric of blame the Liberals/Obama……yadayada!

    Now back to our regular broadcast…Obama bashing!

    Make no mistake I agree Obama does have a string of misjudgments and it is quite apparent he has no clue regarding FP but back to the question “What should Obama (Bush/Clinton) have done differently? We dropped the ball on the Middle East long ago. Do you think we have any chance of recovery?

  35. “I got my hands on a ticket for Black Sabbath’s final tour”

    I wonder if they will do Planet Caravan live, my favorite song of all time?

  36. Rutherford says Obama was deceived by senior advisers

    Deceived is a loaded term. I don’t know the minds of these people to say they engaged in deception. I’m saying they got it wrong. Why they skewed info the way they did, I don’t know.

    The bad intel that went to Bush and Cheney has ambiguous motive also.

  37. “Why they skewed info the way they did, I don’t know.”

    Oh, come on. Do you know how many of these guys are stating that they were pressured into skewing their assessment to fit the Obama narrative? It’s unprecedented. They din;t come up with it on their own.

    “The bad intel that went to Bush and Cheney has ambiguous motive also.”

    Not if you read the 9/11 commission report.

  38. Ragi, we have already written what Obama should have done. We also predicted the results of his disengagement. Bush sinned when his leaders fired all of Iraq’s military and police, but Obama threw away nanscent stability.

    There is no real debate.

  39. R – “History is written by liberals.”

    Wrong. History is created by liberals. It is written by conservatives after they bail their liberal asses out and clean up the mess.

  40. “I don’t know the minds of these people to say they engaged in deception.”

    That’s very convenient. You can see hearts but not minds. If anything you have that backwards, though I doubt you in particular can know either one.

    Obama should have picked more competent and less shady advisors. Clinton, Jarret, Rice, Clapper, Brennan, Rhodes, etc. Shady mofos. Obama knows them and knows how they operate. That’s why he picked them.

    They didn’t even get nonintervention right. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, hell, they even got Bergdahl wrong. There’s no reason to think they’ll get the refugee question right. The Egyptian and Jordanian leaders were up for fighting ISIS – why has Obama turned his back?

    They aren’t doing nonintervention, they’re doing absenteeism.

    So, if these are thor’s thoughtful “thoughts on the migration crisis,” what are his thoughtful thoughts on taking in refugees?

  41. I take that last comment back, R. Conservative presidents have a lot to answer for, too – to wit, LittleBush’s ill-advised takedown of the Hussein regime in Iraq, which started this whole bloody roll down the hill to perdition.

    Why can’t you Yankee fuckers just mind your own goddamned business? No wonder the whole world hates you. You think you are so goddamned smart and moral (yeah, that’s a good one) that you are justified in forcing your values on the whole world. Yet you are nearly always wrong when you meddle, and 99% of the penalty for your meddling is paid by the ordinary citizens in those countries, not by you, and not by the people in charge there.

  42. Sometimes, we have to meddle from self defense. The first phase of the British Empire was largely built as a defensive measure and before they knew it the Brits had an empire.

    If we meddle we must be sure of several viable exit strategies and be willing to spend far more on the aftermath than original action.

  43. “What should Obama have done differently?”.

    Been answered.

    IMO, once Syria devolved into civil war, there were no good options. However, Obama shouldn’t withdrawn as he did from Iraq. Everything after that was folly and he “shouldn’t have done that.”

    So, since you want to join the discussion, what did he do correctly Raji?

  44. The posts two tenets as I see them are that a long line of US Presidents have failed to solve the Middle East “problem” and what Obama should’ve done differently and as such he is to beheld accountable.
    First off the USA has really not been all that active in solving any problem in the Middle East other than a degree of lip service vis a vis the Israeli/Palestinian issue. Other than that it cannot be overstated that US policy in the Middle East has always been about US interests. #1 shocker to some folks is that peace and tranquility is not necessarily tops on the list of US interests.
    It is true that throughout the “modern” history of the Middle East US policies have caused issues,better put,reactions. Our policies have also been far from consistent over that period.
    US policy has indeed supported despots,we’ve done this the world over. I think it unfair however to declare through our western perspective that all these guys have been true despots. Our dealings with Nasser I think is indicative of the crux of my position here. Our relationship with Jordan also.
    The truth is some of the folks we declare despots were in fact populist leaders of their people.
    I could go far deeper on this but lets move on and if anyone cares they can ask.
    Obama has actually failed on a couple of policy initiatives that he clearly could’ve done better,or in my opinion not entered into at all. Libya and Syria being top o’ the charts.
    Obama’s lack of leadership and decisiveness on Syria is totally linked to the continued strife there and the humanitarian crisis pouring out into the rest of the place.
    He should not have joined the Assad out and nothing else party.
    He shouldn’t have swallowed any of the bullshit that there were stable and capable elements available in Syria to take over.
    The reasons Obama deserves more scorn than his predecessors is because he had the best opportunity to have learned something from them!!!!!! Fucks sake he could’ve should’ve taken a huge lesson from Libya,taught by himself!

  45. So, if these are thor’s thoughtful “thoughts on the migration crisis,” what are his thoughtful thoughts on taking in refugees? – Muffy

    Asked and answered, do your homework.

    Obama didn’t say Russia was no threat, he said it wasn’t our greatest threat. He looked toward terrorism and the middle-east, Syria and Iran. From the way you go after him on those points daily, it appears you agree.

    Romney’s plan for Syria was to NOT get militarily involved. He wanted a “council” to oversee arming rebels to fight Assad that we could later trust to be our friend. You guys are so pissed at Obama, you forget (with the exception of Huck), Mittens was basically parroting his view on Syria. Romney also said he would have cut Mubarak loose, just like Obama.

    Romney vs. Russia? We go to Huck down on the field ….

    “and negotiating trade pacts and educational exchanges with Central Asian states.”

    Not exactly Sherman’s march to the sea. I know Putin likes to invade bordering states and shoot down civilian jets and gas his own people in movie theaters, but hit him in the nose with a rolled up trade pact and he rolls over like a chastised puppy.

  46. “Asked and answered, do your homework.”

    I did it, thoughtful thor. Your answer was thoughtless and insufficient. Just like Obama’s policies.

    But if that all you have for me then how about just confirming that your complete answer is YES – TAKE EM. Nothing on numbers, who and how – correct?

  47. but hit him in the nose with a rolled up trade pact and he rolls over like a chastised puppy.
    Am I the only one that recognizes that as stupid and patently false?

  48. On Syria Romney stood on a significant arming of “friendlies”. It was an equally wrong position but it is a better position on a abad policy than Obama’s.

  49. Fuck it, don’t bother. Here it is again – a perfect example of fucking up nonintervention:

    “I’m willing to take in refugees of any religion or none at all, as long as they understand that we live by the rule of law, not by force.”

  50. Last one… Thor you have the incorrect context of the whole Russia thing. Romeny was right because he knew Russia would take actions counter to US goals and that has proved too true.
    Lets be grown ups as well. THE NUMBER ONE THREAT TO THE USA IS CHINA. Its just they’re not really juicing it up yet so we go with #2,Russia. Islamic nuts are in the top 5 though so good on you.

  51. Raji, thank you for the comment. One thing that does give me hope is that so many here did support Romney, and Mittens was pretty clear throughout the debate that any real change from the middle-east must come from within, with our support, so I guess both sides are in agreement about that.

    “MR. ROMNEY: Well, my strategy’s pretty straightforward, which is to go after the bad guys, to make sure we do our very best to interrupt them, to — to kill them, to take them out of the picture. But my strategy is broader than — than that. That’s — that’s important, of course, but the key that we’re going to have to pursue is a — is a pathway to — to get the Muslim world to be able to reject extremism on its own. We don’t want another Iraq. We don’t want another Afghanistan. That’s not the right course for us. The right course for us is to make sure that we go after the — the people who are leaders of these various anti-American groups and these — these jihadists, but also help the Muslim world.

    And how we do that? A group of Arab scholars came together, organized by the U.N., to look at how we can help the — the world reject these — these terrorists. And the answer they came up was this.

    One, more economic development. We should key our foreign aid, our direct foreign investment and that of our friends — we should coordinate it to make sure that we — we push back and give them more economic development.

    Number two, better education.

    Number three, gender equality.

    Number four, the rule of law. We have to help these nations create civil societies.”

  52. Muffy, please paste the comment you are referring to. You don’t like “rule of law” as a litmus test? The very phrase is in Mittens’ piece above.

    Alfie, did you miss this?

    “Romney wants to “deter Russian ambitions” to its south by enhancing diplomatic ties, increasing military training and assistance, and negotiating trade pacts and educational exchanges with Central Asian states.”

    It’s what he said. Sorry if it’s stupid.

  53. “Muffy, please paste the comment you are referring to. You don’t like “rule of law” as a litmus test? The very phrase is in Mittens’ piece above.”

    Your answer is a debate answer. And don’t talk to me about “MIttens’ ” debate answers either – that’s a debate you’re having with others.

    I’m interested in one thing from you and that is reading your thoughtful thoughts on one policy at play right now and that’s what the US ought to do about the refugees. If you’re satisfied with your answer already given then who am I to argue? My peripheral concern is whether Obama will get this right. You haven’t.

    Obama’s failure as a president is built on a thousand such single decisions and many failures to make the right call. I’m watching this one like I watch everything he does – with minimal to moderate interest and zero confidence. And all I see from him is that he talks out of his ass and doesn’t know what to do about anything. He’s a lousy leader, an even worse teammate, a terrible debater, and a grrrrrreat campaigner.

  54. I think the word “fault” is inappropriate. “Fault” suggests that something would not have have happened but for some other action or inaction that caused it. And I think most of what we have seen in the ME was either on its way to happening when Obama came in, or would have happened anyway.

    I think a more appropriate term is “mishandled”. Obama could not have stopped many of the things we see around the world today. But he could have handled them better.

    For example…we all know that we will eventually be returning to Iraq to root out ISIS. It’s just a matter of time. Romney stated he’d have tried harder to keep us in Iraq and Fiorina says she would be giving Egypt and Jordan the intel and resources they have asked for to combat ISIS. Obama has done neither. Now when we have to go in, we will be facing a force that is more deeply rooted and stronger than they could have otherwise been.

    On Syria….if you look at Romney’s exact words, he says he would have not only armed rebel groups, but acted in council with others to CREATE those groups. I also think it is easy to assume he would have done both much sooner than the token efforts at those things by Obama. I admit this is not a problem-solving answer to the Syrian problem, but I do think it would have been a better effort than Obama gave and might have shown enough US interest in the problem to give Russia a bit more pause to enter it. Obama couldn’t have stopped the Syrian crisis, but he could have effected the way things will be stacked at the end of it. He did the minimum and did it late because he thought that was all he needed to do politically.

    On Russia…”I will have more flexibility after the election.” Does anything more really need to be said? You can mock what Romney said he would have done and ignore Alfie’s analysis and explanation of those policies all you want. But even if we take them as weak and virtually empty, they are STILL more effort to try and weaken the growing Russian influence than anything Obama did…which was nothing. He thought mocking Romney was enough when it came to Russia because that was all he needed to do politically.

    On Yemen…I presented a conference paper 3 years ago that said the conflict in Yemen would stay status quo in the short term and escalate in the long term as soon as any outside factors came in to change the game. 1 factor could have been greater US and other support to help Yemen, another could have been Iranian support to help the Houthis, and another could have been outside support of al Qaeda. We don’t have to guess which ones did and didn’t happen because we already know. I do concede that more support from the US would have mainly meant more monetary and military aid, which would have never made it through congress. But Obama does not get a pass on congressional inaction because he never made those request for them to be denied. He thought droning al Qaeda (as well as the civilian population) was enough because that’s all he needed politically.

    On Libya…that one is all on Obama. It doesn’t matter if Romney said he’d have done the same thing…the fact is he isn’t the one that did it. Obama is. Qaddaffi could have been easily handled but the world (including the other Arab states) saw an opening to remove a long-time hated leader and it went for it. Obama could have thought 2 seconds about what the obvious outcome would be and veto the UNSC action, and come up with alternatives that would have probably worked, namely harsh sanctions that Qaddaffi would have likely wanted to avoid because he was just starting to repair his standing in the world. But Obama didn’t. He needed to show the US electorate he wasn’t the pussy he was being accused of, and used the United Nations and Arab League as political cover.

    And how he has handled things post-Qaddaffi is a joke. Tell me I’m wrong. And “what should he have done post-Qaddaffi?” doesn’t cut it, because what he should have done is not create the term “post-Qaddaffi”.

    Barack Obama does not look at the big picture when it comes to foreign or even domestic policies. He only looks at the immediate political picture. He claims to hate politics, but in reality, that is his only game. That game might be great at winning him elections, but it hasn’t done shit to make the world or America a better place.

  55. Also, Qaddaffi was right. He said he was going into the eastern strongholds and root out the terrorists there “like rats”.

    And who did we end up finding in those eastern strongholds?

    Granted, Assad said the same thing, but he was saying that while also shelling civilians that were merely protesting—which at that time I watched on live feeds night after night.

  56. “He only looks at the immediate political picture. He claims to hate politics, but in reality, that is his only game. That game might be great at winning him elections, but it hasn’t done shit to make the world or America a better place.”

    This makes him a massive scum bag and a piece of shit. His personal power hungry ass will lead to the death of Marines that didn’t need to die.

    Fuck mid term. The guy is all about short term victories. They will lie for the weekend alone, knowing Monday morning will bring truth.

    I don’t blame him as much as I do the ignorant voters of America who could give a shit. I also blame the volunteer operatives like Thor-bro and Rutherford.

  57. So I guess I don’t get Muffy’s beef with Thor. I think he answered the who. So I guess Muffy still wants the “how many”.

    The UN wants us to take in 65,000 in the next year if I’m not mistaken. So my question to Muffy is do you think that is too many or two few? Do you share the security concerns of many, mostly conservatives?

  58. I also blame the volunteer operatives like Thor-bro and Rutherford.

    Wow, I’m an operative. I thought I was just a stone broke bloke eating Cheetos in front of the computer. 😀

  59. “Huck I’d say America in general doesn’t see the big picture.”

    I don’t take much comfort in the claim that the leader of the free world who YOU twice elected is as short-sighted as the average dumb-fuck American.

  60. “Wow, I’m an operative. I thought I was just a stone broke bloke eating Cheetos in front of the computer” -R

    Yet another false dichotomy.

  61. My main disagreement with Huck is minor. “Fault” does suggest that something would or would not have happened due to an action or inaction. The term is appropriate when judging an employee or our leaders. Blame can sometimes be isolated to the immediate action. We need to blame our leaders or employees for specific actions when they fail us.

    I agree with you, Rutherford, Americans don’t often see the big picture. Neither do Europeans or other people. Its why we pay our leaders to see the big picture, and we pay them to be honest. The latest failure is Obama and secondarily, Hillary Clinton who served when our foreign policy was led by incompetants.

    As I wrote earlier, there is no argument. People may quibble about the details, but the truth is undeniable. Fault and blame are valid concepts we must impose on leaders who have cost the world so many lives and resources.

  62. @nrutherford you didn’t ask but….
    65k is waaaaaayyyyyyv too many and any we take should come from the thoroughly persecuted groups. I say we take Christians and Yazids who WANT to come over. If you’re mainstream Syrian with a cell phone 4000 euros and have been living in a turkey or Jordan for more than a fortnight fuck you!
    Ultimately security isn’t the biggest issue for me. Making sure asylum and refugee mean something is.

  63. You became an operative the day you voted and expressed your opinion to others. Everyone who voted for Obama from ignorance or ideology shares some of the blame, for the wreckage they created.

    Voters and only voters gave them power. Ignorant people should do their patriotic duty and stay home. Unfortunately, so many know so little they don’t realize how little they know or understand.

  64. “So I guess I don’t get Muffy’s beef with Thor. I think he answered the who. So I guess Muffy still wants the “how many”. “

    Shush. Thor knows what he thinks and I know what I want to know. What can you add but confusion?

  65. So good to see Muff in a playful mood today. 😀

    Hey just for grins, humor me, is 65k too many?

    Thanks for your input Alfie. I think I agree with you that we have to place sensible limits on this or we will be overwhelmed.

  66. Rutherford for the most part I saw a lot of people of refugee status. We treat many of the. Like shit. I met a lot of Iraqis most were very nice,they placed them in Chelsea,a predominantly Hispanic ghetto community. Somalis. “Mm you’re from Africa? Ok we’ll send you to northern Maine and Minnesota. You like snow?”

  67. “Blame can sometimes be isolated to the immediate action. We need to blame our leaders or employees for specific actions when they fail us.”

    And I’m not saying we don’t do that.

    But Syria would have disintegrated regardless of Obama or anyone else and ISIS was already being created before he took office. It’s not Obama’s “fault” those things happened. But he can certainly be “blamed” for his mishandling of them.

    On Russia, it is certainly debatable how much he is directly culpable, as Putin certainly, and rightfully, judged him as weak and acted accordingly. And on Libya, as I mentioned, that one is all his.

    My overall point is…we (the US) aren’t always in control of the actions of others. Some things are just going to happen essentially on their own. But we are certainly in control of our reactions to those actions. That is where Obama has failed the most. Yeah we are probably quibbling over wording, and we’ve both made our point. 🙂

  68. Huck if we are to believe Obama was a magical part of the Arab Spring though does that alter anything. ?
    I don’t know if I accept Syrias devolution inevitable. Clearly the West was working early on. I don’t think the FSA gets things cooking without it. So then the question is without the spark was the fire of internal and external Islamists inevitable? Again I don’t think so. Sadly we’ll never know.

  69. “if we are to believe Obama was a magical part of the Arab Spring though does that alter anything?”

    Sure. If we are to believe Obama was the cause of the Arab Spring then it follows he would be the cause of the effects that sprang from it.

    I get your point about Syria. But I’m not sure I am ready to give Barry credit for the whole Arab Spring.

    Also, as far as I know and recall, Assad was shelling towns before there was such a thing as the FSA. But it’s been so long now and so much has happened I may be forgetting something(s).

  70. Some points from Round 1 of the big debate.

    –I like Rand’s into the best.

    –I like what Trump said about Russia in Syria. Let Assad and ISIS fight it out and then react to the outcome of that.

    –I liked what Fiorina said about isolating Russia diplomatically, economically, and strategically. But I disagree with her position of not talking to Russia.

    –I agree with Rand’s position that we should talk to everyone. Talking is not agreeing.

    I liked what Kasich had to say on multiple issues, especially taking constructive efforts in Washington and not political theater like shutdowns.

  71. Fiorina is an affront to feminism. 😆

    She’s good. And she can tame Trump.

    And she’s an affront to feminism.

    Look out.

  72. Wtf is this shit. I had to work late and then my muffler fell off my shitty minivan….so I’m playing catch up by watching video snippets…..

    I deeply concerned about what I am seeing.

    This country lost it’s mind in 2008….and has been insane ever since.

    Grow the fuck up, Mob.

    Doesn’t matter that you are angry.

    These Trumo supporters might be worse then the Obama supporters.

    It’s disgusting. And dangerous.

    I’m not the smartest Rabbit, but I’ve read my Plato. This is how democracy fails. And it always does. We are heading towards the necessary control-alt-delete every democracy needs once every two or three hundred years.

    Problem is you can lose alot during a reboot.

  73. I take it back. Carly lost her edge right after she brilliantly answered the “face” question. Now she scowls after every answer.

    Trump, Kasich and Christie look like they are happy to be there. Most of the others look like they’re having root canal.

  74. Rutherford, I don’t know anything more about that weirdness with the State reps then you do. Pretty pathetic. They are both gone, now.

    I guess if you were looking for some tabloid, right wing, Evangelical hypocrisy in politics, you certainly found it. Enjoy!

  75. My TiVo froze near the end of the debate so I haven’t seen the whole thing. Last I saw was Carly’s jaw dropping reference to her dead child.

    I think Trump neither helped nor hurt himself.
    Carson did ok.
    For at least half her time on stage Carly knocked it out of the park.
    By the time Rubio got to speak I had forgotten he was there.
    I don’t think Bush or Walker moved the needle.
    Christie had a good night; probably won’t matter.
    I liked Kasich a lot but in the end he was too sunny and probably forgettable.
    Cruz and Paul were predictable but I liked Paul’s debate style tonight more than in the first debate.
    Huckabee needs to go back to Arkansas or Fox.

  76. I admire what Ben Carson is doing. He seems very nervous and uncomfortable. I saw him picking his fingernails when the debate began and you can hear it in his speaking. But he isn’t giving up and he very clearly means well. I do think he was wrong in assuming us declaring energy independence would have yielded bin Laden on a platter.

    I like how Kasich presents his positions. I like some of the things he has to say.

    I think Trump debates well. His problem is the rest of the time.

    I think Rand messed up when he was explaining “boots on the ground should be Arab boots.” He seemed to focus on “Arab boots” being “Iraqi boots” instead of talking about those boots AND other Arab boots. He should have been talking about building coalitions so that Arabs could solve Arab problems, while we aid them in doing so.

    Final thoughts…there are too many on the stage, but I don’t see a better way of going about it.

  77. And she’s an affront to feminism.
    Look out.

    Hey comedian the reason she is NOT an affront to feminism is she is smart. She’s not on the national stage simply because she has a pair of tits.

    McCain chose Palin for ONE reason: hot chick well liked in her own state, a state no one gave a fuck about – which reduces her back to hot chick. Yes a huuuuge affront to feminism.

    And the fact you can’t get past your own boner makes YOU an affront to feminism. 😐

  78. We are heading towards the necessary control-alt-delete every democracy needs once every two or three hundred years.
    Problem is you can lose alot during a reboot.

    Shit, that was some good nerdy rhetoric. No lie!

  79. Fiorina actually lost some points with me by the end of tonight. I have seen less than 5 interviews with her and after tonight I have learned that I’ve already heard just about everything she has to say. She has moved from someone who has command over what she wants to say to someone whose responses seem canned–because she is saying the same things the exact same way. It starts to sound insincere.

  80. Some more: Rubio’s answer on his voting record was pathetic. Win goes to Trump on that one.

    Walker continues to be a passionless wind up doll. He reminds me of my pull-string GI Joe when I was a kid.

    Paul has principles even if it means begrudgingly agreeing with Trump on one occasion.

    The Carly HP Trump chapter 11 exchange only proves that there are a lot of substandard CEO’s out there. One of them is giving my job to a Filipino next Monday.

    At the kiddie table:
    Pataki strong on the rule of law.
    Santorum getting sucked into the social conservatism that choked him 4 years ago.
    Jindal slightly rehearsed but strong uncompromising pov. I don’t agree with him but I like the stridency.
    Lindsey Graham my fav of the four. Funny as hell and the only one willing to say lots of American boots on the ground to defeat ISIL.

  81. Santorums argument on the SCOTUS is ridiculous. The way to challenge a SCOTUS decision is to pass laws that test the decision and force a reconsideration. You don’t get to defy laws you don’t like.

  82. I find it so odd that after Carly gave a killer answer on the “face” question it seemed to ruin her mood. She seemed confident in all the questions prior to that one. After it, she just looked pissed off. I don’t think she smiled once after getting that question. Maybe she did when she said she wanted Secretariat to be her code name.

    I actually think she would have preferred Jake Tapper not go there. I know I wish he had skipped that question. The face thing just subtracted from the debate.

  83. “Hey comedian the reason she is NOT an affront to feminism is she is smart. She’s not on the national stage simply because she has a pair of tits.”

    Do you think before you type?

    J/K. That’s rhetorical. Of course you don’t

    You’re God Damned affront to feminism. No joke.

  84. Huck most people don’t know anything about Fiorina. She doesn’t lose ground because you’ve seen it before. Very few have. Plus she;s good at containing Trump as much as he can be contained.

  85. amd just like the cock roaches you reference at the beginning of your post here they are on the move now … sweeping across Europe …. 10,000 or them slated for resettlement in the United States ….. and the present administration that you seem to be defending hasn’t done anything at all to stop this onslaught which is not a “Refugee” crisis so much as it is an invasion.

  86. If you understand that feminism is, in part, a leveling mechanism used by less-attractive women against more-attractive women, it will make sense.

    — Glenn Reynolds

    Obviously Rutherford agrees.

  87. I’m hoping there was more substance then the Jerry Springer snippets I’ve heard in last night’s debates.

    Thing that bothers me about Trump is that he gives the impression that being truthful and not spewing PC garbage is equal to being unprofessional. They don’t have to be linked.

  88. Those aren’t moderators, they are hosts. Talk show hosts. Of the Jon Stewart variety without the “jokes.”

    Fiorina gets into specifics. Good for her. She should have said “Ruffian” instead of Secretariat. I actually did like that curve ball question but all of the rest were the three letter word DUMB.

    The question about what Trump said about Fiorina’s looks was out of line and mean spirited of Tapper to bring it up. Tapper should have rolled all of his stupid “Donald likes New York style pizza – Governor Christie can you tell us why he is wrong?” into one or two general questions about Trump’s style and went down the line for responses. Jeb have just stood there with a pissed off look on his face and apologized to his wife on Trump’s behalf. Trump gets under everybody’s skin and no one gets under his.
    Christie took a decent insight and turned it into a stick to beat Fiorina with. I think it’s funny how he bitched about the grandstanding and then proceeded to out-grandstand the rest every time he spoke.

    The first hour was a waste of time.

    Nothing else stands out for me at the moment but I’ll probably watch the highlights over time to see if I missed anything.

    Overall impression is that Rubio’s persona and Kasich’s resume might combine make a good team.

  89. Thor’s “plan” for the refugees is everything anyone needs to know about what is the appropriate weight to give his insights in general and especially on the president.

    Apologies for the harshness of that reality.

  90. If this is the level of insight that Trump has, God help us all.

    “You take this little beautiful baby, and you pump — I mean, it looks just like it is meant for a horse, not for a child, and we had so many instances, people that work for me, just the other day, 2-years-old, beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.”

    Trump was quickly set straight by his fellow candidate Ben Carson, who’s a retired pediatric neurosurgeon:

    “We have extremely well-documented proof that there’s no autism associated with vaccinations.”

    Uh oh. He’s getting a little sciency.

  91. Fiorina is 100 times the woman Hillary is. I did love her moment on Iran/PP. I’d be interested if Huck and/or Alfie have any meaningful closing type remarks in response. Not a loaded question or fight-picker – I just want to know in brief summary where she gets it wrong.

  92. I actually felt badly when the question came up about which woman might go on the currency. I really can’t think of any obvious choices.

  93. Thor’s “plan” for the refugees is everything anyone needs to know about what is the appropriate weight to give his insights in general and especially on the president. – Muffy

    Exactly, I’m brilliant and thoughtful.

    Muffy, It didn’t matter what my number was, you would have said it was wrong. Of course, you offer no number of your own or any reason as to why the way we check out refugees presently is bad. You do realize there are already refugees coming here from those wars, have been for a long time, right?

  94. Thoughtful Thor, you’ve already lost this one all on your own. I expect the president will too. Just one in a long odyssey of misadventures and mishandled moments in his presidency, the aggregate of which is a big red F.

  95. Can’t help you Muffy,I am 0 for 2 on debate watching. I can’t take the format or majority of the players seriously. I have been able to whittle down who I’d like to see break away and actually run and I’ve firmed up my list of those that need to just go away.

  96. @Muffy you are right about currency issue. It’s the wrong conversation on currency and a political joke to boot. To think folks seriously consider whacking the founder of our banking system for a PC female is atrocious.

  97. Since I did end up seeing the items the MSM viewed as highlights I can say that those candidates opposed to speaking to anyone should look for other work.

  98. “I have been able to whittle down who I’d like to see break away and actually run and I’ve firmed up my list of those that need to just go away.”

    Tease!

    PS…good point on the suggestion for Fiorina.

  99. Muffy – Sad that you have nothing to offer. Typical but sad. But you waste my time, and that is something I must rectify.

    @ Thor do I understand you think near a quarter of a million people should be pushed into the refugee asylum system in the continental USA? – Alfie

    I’m not pushing anybody. They can come if they want. The number is right in line with Bhutan (which we had no part in creating). It amounts to about two months of illegal immigration from Mexico. This is America. It is our history, our legacy, our strength.

  100. “I’m not pushing anybody. They can come if they want. The number is right in line with Bhutan (which we had no part in creating). It amounts to about two months of illegal immigration from Mexico. This is America. It is our history, our legacy, our strength.”

    Did you get hit on the head?

  101. “I did love her moment on Iran/PP. I’d be interested if Huck and/or Alfie have any meaningful closing type remarks in response.”

    First, more of a personal issue on my part, but her “I’d make a phone call to my good friend Bibi Netenyahu” sounds fake and I have heard the exact words before. She is trying too hard to convince everyone the 2 of them are casual friends who she sold an HP printer to. It just turns me off. She could say the same thing and not make it sound like as fake as it is seeming to me.

    As for the substance, I do like it better than the unrealistic “I will tear up the agreement on day 1” rhetoric. With that said, I also find the idea that Iran will allow “inspections by our people” to be equally unrealistic. Assuming “our people” means US inspectors, Iran would never, ever agree to such a thing.

    As to the repercussions she mention of not agreeing to it, I’m not sure how well we, alone, could accomplish that, though she claims “we don’t need anyone’s cooperation to do it. I don’t know enough about global banking and finance to speak to the accuracy of that statement. But it seems like cooperation would be required in keeping anyone from moving money around the globe.

    I also wanted to mention, and I don’t recall who said it, that I liked the idea of beefing up the Israeli defenses as a counter to any possible attack by Iran. I don’t think Iran would directly attack Israel (as opposed to using indirect proxies), but I’m never opposed to beefed up defenses and maybe even some offenses, to give someone pause to think.

    Regarding Planned Parenthood, as was mentioned by several last night, there are several other organizations that deal specifically with all of the other women’s health issues that people claim make Planned Parenthood worth keeping. And I am sure there are also others that perform abortions. I think it is time to launch some rigorous investigations into Planed Parenthood, and if they are found to be in violation of the law, which I suspect they are, and shut them down. I don’t see why they, or any other group like them, requires federal funding, especially when everyone is supposed to have insurance now. If states want to supplement shortfalls in that, that is their choice.

    As to what she said about it, specifically…yes, Hillary is going to have to answer for those videos. If she is smart she would do so on her own terms rather than waiting for a debate.

    As to the connection she tried to make between the two, personally, I think she was just stretching in order to get some speaking time and get those 2 positions out there. Which, under the circumstances of that debate format, I can’t blame her for doing.

  102. “I actually felt badly when the question came up about which woman might go on the currency. I really can’t think of any obvious choices.”

    I liked the Abigail Adams answer, and it is who I have said to myself throughout the long discussion about it. Although, that is predicated on the idea that any of the bills need to be changed at all, which I’m not sure they do.

  103. Idiot GOP overplayed its hand again today.

    They tried some political theater (which is all it was meant to be) to get dems to filibuster a resolution with language to have Iran release all its US prisoners.

    Had the resolution stopped at that, it might have actually been some GOOD political theater. Dems would have been forced to answer for why they care more about Obama’s deal than they do for US prisoners. Obama would have been forced to answer the same when he vetoed it.

    But no….they had to also add in some language about recognizing Israel. Because the GOP candidates aren’t doing enough pandering on that topic on their own. That poisoned the well, because all Dems had to do then is say “Iran will never go for it”,, “you can’t tell another country how to enact its foreign policy”, and “that issue is between those 2 countries”…among many other things they could say to oppose that idea.

    I’ve long come to the conclusion that the GOP really doesn’t want to “win” anything but elections.

    Also, they are going to raise the debt limit again.

  104. Thor I can’t get that Tina Turner song out of my head…”What’s Bhutan got to do with it”?
    Seriously though. Do you draw any lines ,red or other ,regards who gets in. See I’m a purist about refugees. Am wiling to give very specific persons refuge and when where they came from gets better I sends them back.

  105. Comment with two caveats:
    Carly told a whopper about PP. She wants BO and HRC to watch the PP vid with the “fully formed fetus on the table”. Problem: there is no such video.

    Caveat 1: Maybe I saw the wrong vid. The vid I saw was of someone in a restaurant or cafeteria talking about procuring body parts. If any baby was shown, I musta not seen the vid that has everyone up in arms.

    Caveat 2: perhaps my original take on Carly’s comment was the right one. I thought she was saying basically to think about that baby as you watch the woman talking about body parts.

    With those caveats, either she spoke inarticulately or she’s a liar.

  106. I don’t understand MoJo’s analysis of the debate. They claim it was the Donald Trump show. I don’t agree. I don’t think THAT many questions were aimed at Trump nor do I feel an overwhelming amount of questions were in reference to Trump.

    Guess I watched a different debate.

    Yes there was Trump v Paul and Trump v Bush and Trump v Fiorina and Trump v Rubio. Maybe that got MoJo upset.

  107. Trump showed great restraint actually. When Bush said his brother “kept us safe”, Trump should have said “no, he was president when we got attacked. He did not keep us safe.” I was actually shocked he didn’t say that.

    And the sad thing about many of you partisan hacks is that if 9/11 happened on Obama’s watch, you’d say he ordered the hit. Poolman would be your hero.

  108. That’s why I deliberately put in the caveats. Have you seen the fetus video Muffy? Is it the video where the damning discussions took place?

    I’ll go look through YouTube.

  109. No fully formed fetus but I’m done looking. Absolutely disgusting. Even if Carly lied about what vids are out there, she could have referenced this and it would have done the trick.

    You have to be one cold clinical motherfucker to watch the end of this video and not be disgusted.

  110. Huck is right. The ambiguity here is baffling. Investigate them, and prosecute them. It should be straightforward. If the pro-choice movement can prop up criminal behavior then we’ve got a huge problem.

  111. I saw the fully formed fetus video. Heart beating and movement. It figures you’d call her liar.

    Oh, with one caveat. . .

  112. From the Oath Keepers article posted by Alfie:

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    blockquote> Conflicts like the one in Grants Pass have become increasingly common in the American West. Old battles over the way public lands are managed in the region have found a mode of expression through the Patriot movement, a loose agglomeration of groups, some armed, some not, that tend to describe themselves as defenders of the Constitution. They have grown mightily since the election of Barack Obama, from around 150 organizations to more than a thousand by 2014 , helping to create a new politics of armed civil disobedience. Mmmm wonder why?

  113. There is no other reason to oppose the federal government or Obama other than racism. Plain and simple. Racism and we are all racists because. . . Oath Keepers.

    Racism!

    Is that your dumb fucking point Rutherford?

  114. If you understand that feminism is, in part, a leveling mechanism used by less-attractive women against more-attractive women, it will make sense.
    — Glenn Reynolds
    Obviously Rutherford agrees.

    Hey Phil Donahue, without knowing the context, Glenn has a point. Attractive women (and men) have an advantage in several venues. The feminist movement definitely involves, to some degree, making sure women are taken seriously and to the extent that ugliness adds to their troubles, the movement advocates for them.

  115. You’re calling me Phil Donahue?

    That’s rich.

    Hillary attacked the women her sleazy assed husband victimized? Now that hideous bag of loose skin is a feminist.

    You and your mommy issues.

  116. and the present administration that you seem to be defending hasn’t done anything at all to stop this onslaught which is not a “Refugee” crisis so much as it is an invasion.

    Since you’re the owner of The John Liming Blog, I’ll call you John. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Welcome and good to see you commenting on my recent essays. A question just so I can contextualize you, are you a liberal in the classic sense of the word as opposed to its current American manifestation?

    Thanks again for visiting. Hope you’ll stick around.

  117. Is that your dumb fucking point Rutherford?

    When certain political activity spikes in the immediate aftermath of the election of the first black president, one wonders.

    If you can tie the rise of Black Lives Matter to Obama I sure as hell can tie the rise of “patriot” groups to him.

  118. I was once a very committed left wing liberal and in recent times I have been trying very hard to move more to the center of things and therefore I now entertain arguments from both the right and the left — sometimes from a totally independent view — I am in transition and have not yet settled completely …. so my responses are subject to change rapidly — very unstable in my political views right now because of the volatility of the world scene … I think I am probasbly more reactive than anything because my opinions are subject to change on a whim and on a dime.

    Hopefully this is honest enough.

    Thanks for your encouraging words.

    Yes, you may definitely call me “John.” In fact you may feel free to call me anything you like because I have a thick skin … just do not call me late for dinner please!

  119. “The feminist movement definitely involves, to some degree, making sure women are taken seriously and to the extent that ugliness adds to their troubles, the movement advocates for them.”

    Not all of them.

  120. Not all of them.

    Depending on your meaning, I guess I’d agree.

    Liberal women, just like liberal blacks, can be awfully hard on their political opposite sisters and brothers.

  121. Much of America is based on Socialism but few wish to talk about it. Americans who do not like Socialism probably should not travel on the Interstate Highway System or send their kids to public schools — or use the Post Office — or ride on public conveyances — or accept their Social Security checks.

    I am not afraid of Socialism, screaming or otherwise.

    There are some great and humanitarian concepts in Socialism.

  122. Muffy don’t “celebrate” yet. From John’s self description this may be a game of intellectual Russian roulette. I have a feeling he has a bullet in the chamber with my name on it. Just a matter of time. 😊

  123. So Donald is taking questions from a New Hampshire crowd. The first questioner called Obama a Muslim and said Muslims were our problem and what was Trump going to do about secret Muslim training camps where the they are being trained to kill us.

    And Trump said we are going to look into it.

    Can’t believe I miss McCain. 😳

    He also got a question from an anti-Bureau of LM guy – an Oath Keeper type.

    I love this. Republicans reaping what they have sown. 😂😂😂

  124. “Well Thor, we were both wrong:”

    FED LEAVES KEY INTEREST RATE UNCHANGED, CITING LOW INFLATION

    Yes…..but the Rrrrrrrrabit was rrrrrrrright!

  125. “The WSJ reports Fiorina lied about video but in that very article they link to a disgusting video that matched Carly’s description.”

    They aren’t reporting that she lied Rutherford. The writer quotes a PP rep saying she’s lying.

    On the Muslim thing if it sinks Trump then good.

    It surprises me how many people think Obama’s a Muslim. It doesn’t surprise me how many people think he’s not a Christian – including you Rutherford.

  126. Obama probably actually was a Muslim at one point. I say who cares. There is no way in hell that dude worships anything else other then himself.

    Training camps? Why wouldn’t you look into reports of training camps?

    There could easily be jihadi training camps in this country right now.

  127. Muffy I beg to differ. The WSJ article headline “At Debate Carly Fiorina Described Scenes not in Abortion Videos” and then the article goes on to say, close to the top:

    But the image she described isn’t in any of the videos released by the antiabortion group. Instead, one video from the group depicts a former employee of a tissue procurement company stating what she says she saw at a Planned Parenthood clinic. There was never any video that depicted, as Ms. Fiorina stated, a live fetus on a table being prepared for organ harvesting.

    So you’re wrong. The main premise of the article is that she lied.

    HOWEVER within the article Carly’s spokespeople point to a video close to Carly’s description.

    So, like I said before, the article is muddled and leaves the reader not knowing what to think – which leads to partisan spin from both sides.

  128. The video linked in the WSJ is the one I remember seeing following the injunction preventing its release was set aside. I don’t get what the article is saying at all. The image described by Fiorina is right there. From what I can tell, it’s that the image was not at a PP facility so that makes her a liar???

    Let me know when you figure out the so-called “lie.”

  129. “I say who cares.”

    Not me.

    “100% true.”

    I don’t see the difference. Both POVs are based on misgivings about who Obama says he is.

  130. “If you can tie the rise of Black Lives Matter to Obama I sure as hell can tie the rise of “patriot” groups to him.”

    BLM = racial agenda.

    Oath Keepers = anti federal agenda

    anti-Obama = racist

    blog visitors = anti-Obama

    Therefore:

    blog visitors = racist

    Logic!

    Remember Ruby Ridge, Timothy McVeigh, David Karesh?

  131. I don’t see the difference. Both POVs are based on misgivings about who Obama says he is.

    You’re being disingenuous. There are folks on this blog whose Christianity I doubt but I don’t believe they subscribe to a religion associated with terrorists. It’s not random that folks don’t think Obama is a secret Jew or Buddhist. They eagerly extrapolate from his biography “Muslim” when he was raised by elderly white Christians.

    I say he’s a Christian by convenience like at least 50% of all American Christians.

  132. I understand what the article says Rutherford. I stand by what I said –

    “They aren’t reporting that she lied Rutherford. The writer quotes a PP rep saying she’s lying.”

    The writer may believe Fiorina lied. That doesn’t mean she did. The writer doesn’t even say that Fiorina lied. She says the footage is not in the video as described by Fiorina.

    There may be an explanation for that or for Fiorina saying what she said that you don’t know about yet.

    So I get that you’re confused. But I’m not wrong.

  133. Remember Ruby Ridge, Timothy McVeigh, David Karesh?

    Did I say anti-gov sentiment was invented in the Obama age? I cited a “sharp increase” since Obama was elected. Remember, we have to take our country back. 🙄

  134. So? That must means it’s racism? There was sharp rise in the expansion of federal abuses since Obama was elected.

    There was a rise in anti-gov groups following Ruby Ridge and the Koresh compound too. Racism?

  135. They aren’t reporting that she lied Rutherford. The writer quotes a PP rep saying she’s lying.”
    The writer may believe Fiorina lied. That doesn’t mean she did.

    Are you taking lessons from Tigre in splitting hairs?

    Muffy if the author writes an article with the premise that she lied then the article says she lied. Did she lie? Possibly not. The article sucks in that it has stuff in it that contradicts its main premise.

    Before you get going on the definition of “lie”, both the headline and lead two paragraphs say she misrepresented the video.

    Goodness gracious.

  136. “She says the footage is not in the video as described by Fiorina.”

    But it is. I would give a time mark but I don’t think anyone wants or needs it.

  137. Oh. I have MSNBC on. Now I see why Rutherford is all worked up over the Trump response. Chrissy Hayes is in his head again. Trump supporters are dangerous. Republicans are dangerous. Never gets old to them.

  138. Ok Tigre let’s try some reverse logic. Ain’t it interesting that the black guy in office didn’t put the “patriots” at ease and cause a reduction in activity? After all, he promised more transparency and stuff right? That should have calmed them down after GWB took their country away from them.

  139. But it is. I would give a time mark but I don’t think anyone wants or needs it.

    Yes, it is in the video that Fiorina’s folks point to.

    Those criticizing Fiorina are limiting themselves to a particular set of videos.

  140. Yeah MSNBC is having a conniption over it but I saw the audience member ask the question live before any editorial comments were made and I was pretty disgusted. I didn’t need to hear Chris Matthews lose his mind. (The rally was covered live on Hardball.)

  141. “Those criticizing Fiorina are limiting themselves to a particular set of videos.”

    The intellectual giant is calling Fiorina a liar for the reason I suspected. They claim the images were embedded from another facility while the PP worker describes what happens.

    Now read a quote of what Fiorina said and what I see is that Hayes is the liar.

    Oh well. Hopefully the MSNBC bullshit will backfire by requiring people to address the substance of the videos.

  142. Obama said what he was going to do. He ran on it

    Yes. Transparency and not letting patriots die in wars born of lies. Yet the “patriots” wanted their country back.

    You and I both know they want the country back from blacks and Mexicans.

  143. Republicans breed this sick subculture?

    The dems fucking support the BLM as a matter of policy. DWS attended rally and pledged support.

    Logic!

  144. “Transparency and not letting patriots die in wars born of lies. Yet the “patriots” wanted their country back.”

    That’s not what they were referring to.

    Logic!

  145. The intellectual giant is calling Fiorina a liar for the reason I suspected.

    I don’t know if you’re referring to me. I deliberately put caveats on my original statement and when I found the wsj article I stated it was ambiguous.

    You’re stuck on Hayes. Get a grip. I watched her live and thought she was exaggerating. My wife then read last night Carly made it up. Then Chris MATTHEWS cited the wsj. I then checked the wsj and amended my caveated earlier statement.

    I haven’t watched any Chris Hayes coverage tonight.

  146. Speaking of face. I’m watching Carly on MoJo and she’s smiling and relatively warm. That’s where I think she missed the boat last night. She looked angry much of the time. Very off-putting.

  147. You know I am stumped why the gang here can’t acknowledge that the racist element in this country would be amplified by a black president.

    So the argument must be that the element is so minuscule that it’s not worth discussing its amplification.

  148. That’s not what I am saying.

    But you are trying to label everyone who says “we want our country back” as racists and that’s BS, when you know damn well who they want it back from are the liberals who, in their view, had taken it.

  149. Trump showed great restraint actually. – R

    He was probably getting some residual off of Jeb’s red-haired buds that just came in from Miami. 😉

    R, Obama spent a significant number of his formative years in Indonesia, a predominately Muslim nation, so he had significant exposure to both Christianity and Islam when he was growing up.

  150. Did you get hit on the head? – ET

    We let 75,000 Bhutanese from Eastern Nepal (a hotbed for Maoist revolutionaries) in, not a peep. If Obama let’s in 75,000 Syrians, it’ll be like he put 666 on his personalized license plates. That’s what Bhutan has to do with it.

  151. R, Obama spent a significant number of his formative years in Indonesia

    Thor I know this and that’s why I said folks extrapolated from his background. But on the other hand, do you think even a handful of these birther shitheads have any idea what religion Indonesians practice?

  152. “There are some great and humanitarian concepts in Socialism.”

    Absolutely true. The problem is that it is impossible to implement them and make it work. All you have to do is open your eyes and look at the result – worldwide – every time it has been tried.

    Like a lot of things: great in concept; a failure in reality

  153. Rutherford, your whole juvenile shtick is that Republicans are dangerous. Racists, misogynists, malevolent dangers. It’s the dem intelligentsia control mechanism and liberal simpleton impulse to accept in order to be controlled. Just think what would happen is the dem controlled government wasn’t there to protect you from these dangerous Republicans.

    Now open the borders because some stupid shit Thor said “our history, our legacy, our strength. . .” and Bhutan.

    p.s. I watched enough MSNBC last night to see where you got your routine on the topics and outrages du jour. The distortion of Trump’s blowing off the most-likely-dem planted moooslim question with a “we’ll look into it” is a real gem. Ooooh, so scary. . . and dangerous. You guys are so easily manipulated.

  154. Thor, do you believe in open borders? If not, why not and what not?

    p.s. Alfie, I gotta head this one off at the pass. Tina Turner’s lyric was ironic.

  155. Not so ironic as sarcastic. Of course, if you take it as a reference to her relationship with Ike-the-sonofabitch, maybe ironic, too.

    One of my favorite New Yorker cartoons:

    It was part of a caption contest. The winner – “I always figured hell would be less ironic.”

  156. Thank you Thor. Here is another discussion.

    The indigenous settler dispute bears a philosophical similarity to the open borders issue. Many deserving people move to improve or save their lives. History is replete with sometimes disruptive migrations. And thousands or millions are moving again.

    The concept of individual land ownership evolved with agriculture and cities. This creates conflicts, of course. One now is beleagered people with little choice but to demand richer and safer nations let them in. It is not much different from the property rights disputes of the Sami, Swedes and others.

    Who owns the land? I believe that we own the land through right of conquest, and foreigners have no right to be here unless we permit it.

    The only solution now is to spend trillions of dollars to improve sick economies and to exterminate cultures which are harmful to a majority of their people. Only then will the migration stop. I don’t believe richer countries have the will or means to accomplish the necessary deeds. More likely, natives and new comers will fight until one side wins.

  157. Here is one for you, Thor.

    A Swede in the other video described the Sami as a cossited minority subject to different rules than his society. One could also make the case for black privilege lip service while they like the Sami still suffer discrimination.

  158. No, Rutherford, I don’t believe you should have been voting in the elections which put Obama into power. Our daughter has never voted, and I am happy she hasn’t.

    Much of her news comes from Facebook. Obama was a good candidate until Obamacare bit her. Now, she thinks Trump is sensible and says what she believes would make our country better.

    And she earned a MA with a 4.00 GPA. Intelligent people can be dangerously ignorant.

  159. Tigre as is often the case, you prove yourself to be an ass.

    Instead of just admitting the GOP attracts SOME haters, you make the ludicrous charge that the guy is a Dem plant. ANY argument to deny that the exchange was NOT cool.

    I know it makes you feel smart to repeat ad nauseam that I parrot MSNBC but I will repeat, I watched live coverage of the event and was not happy long before Matthews’ hair went on fire.

    Your doofiness astounds me. I’m a liberal, dope. MANY of my views are going to coincide with liberal outlets.

  160. That’s a crock of shit. MSNBC tells you what to think. This time it’s that Trump is responsible for some random doofus at a town hall event (probably plant) — a favorite tactic of your thought leaders. You yourself mimic the MSNBC style with your own “if you don’t denounce it you endorse it. You did that with me.

    I NEVER, nowhere, not ever said that there are haters that call themselves Republicans and follow the party. Ever. As usual you deliberately misstate for maximum straw man effect the claim that all Republicans are responsible for them by ” breed[ing] this sick subculture.”

    So cheap. The lengths you’ve gone to here with your lame “we want our country back” and tireless Oath Keepers references makes me embarrassed for you. Really. You;’re such an easily led fool with a bizarre attachment to MSNBC.

    So glad you were unhappy with the Trump town hall that you “claim” to have tuned into all on your own. Harrrumph.

    Any ideas who was behind circulating this during the 2008 campaign?

    Go ahead, guess.

    (hint: not someone who was “bred” by the GOP)

  161. Bring science project to school. Show it to the engineering teacher. Pay heed to what he says, do not show project to classmates. Turn off alarm to not alarm teacher. Do not stop, proceed to jail. Oh and change your name.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/index.html

    http://gawker.com/7-kids-not-named-mohamed-who-brought-homemade-clocks-to-1730999866

    Kudos to Mark Zuckerberg. The kid will now be rich and famous. Good triumphs over evil.

    Why oh why did the engineering teacher not step up to the plate ?!?

  162. Holly O’Donnell (woman in stripe sweater) explicitly applied to StemExpress as a contract procurement technician. She resigned after 34 days of work. The fetus mentioned was a photo of a stillborn that the grieving mother posted on her FB page. Center for Medical Progress lifted it and placed it in their video. Holly never had her hands on this fetus.

    Regarding O’Donnell’s claims that, after removal, the fetus’ heart began to beat, the physician comments that,

    “It’s totally possible that the heart would beat. I understand how someone could see that and that it might be alarming to them, but I can’t stress enough how much these are involuntary movements. The heart is a muscle — and muscles respond even outside of their normal [physiological] context. You can study muscle tissue in a petri dish, and it is going to twitch. It’s totally possible she saw movement — but that has nothing to do with life….I understand how she…didn’t understand what it was, but [seeing the heart beat] doesn’t have any implications for life or pain.”

    http://reverbpress.com/sexes/women/watch-subversive-anti-choice-group-posts-another-bogus-abortion-video/

    CA, OR and WA are the only states where PP can harvest tissue/organs for research. How is it possible they can make 23 Million Dollaaars selling body parts? “Selling body parts to the highest bidder”…sound slike these parts are used for transplant. Is this where Cheney got his new heart.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/24/planned-parenthood-makes-as-much-as-23-million-annually-from-selling-aborted-baby-body-parts/

    If you wish to eliminate abortions then make birth control available to both genders. There are red states that teach abstinence only. Others state Sex Ed information does not have to be medically correct – BC pills will cause breast cancer, uterine cancer or makes you sterile to mention a few falsehoods. How will this reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies?

    People have tried to control their number of children for thousands of years by using natural remedies. They also found plants that induced an abortion. Eating Papaya seeds could reduce a man’s sperm count to ZERO. It returned to normal when he stopped eating the seeds.

    http://listverse.com/2010/11/14/10-ancient-methods-of-birth-control/

    CF made false statements to score political points. I doubt she gives a f**k about abortion.

    i worked for a horse farm in the breeding barn. We shipped horse semen by air to parts of the US. It had to be sent in a special container that kept it cool and viable. There were special handling requirements by the airlines and airports to make sure it arrived in usable condition. In ’97, it cost $50 per shipment. They don’t put these fetus samples in an envelope with a 49 cent stamp.

    By the way Nancy Reagan wanted fetal parts used for research.

  163. No, I’m not for open borders. It’s our country. We can decide who our friends are and who our enemies are.

    Alfie, why you mad bro? You are our Asian pivot expert. You weren’t aware of the Bhutan gambit? I’m surprised I’m having to line this out for you and all our other resident members of the CFR.

    They are dark skinned. They practice a bizarre, mysterious third world religion. Their political ideology wants to take away our freedoms. Why aren’t we up in arms about the Bhutanese invasion? Oh yeah, it wasn’t an Obama decision, it was a Bush decision.

  164. Bhutan was more a true refugee issue. It was also undertaken with at least some lip service paid to the concept of repatriation.
    What is happening with the flow of people into Europe is not a case of refugees. These people are migrants. They are looking for a better way of life and as a rule have zero intention of repatriation.
    Lets be clear I am not up in arms about whatever Oval occupant is doing or did other than the fact that I am absolute in my beliefs that the words are important.So does the UN btw.
    As for Syria I find the only folks or at least the primary folks worthy of UN refugee status are the religious minorities still stuck in Syria or displaced into places like Turkey.
    I do not believe Syrians and others (as the flood of humans include Afghans,Iraqis and Eritreans) who have been sheltered elsewhere as refugees deserve to turn into migrants.
    It is for the best of the entire region to solve the Syrian Civil War and the parallel Jihad and make it that Syrians can return and stabilize Syria.

  165. It is for the best of the entire region to solve the Syrian Civil War and the parallel Jihad and make it that Syrians can return and stabilize Syria. – Alfie

    I agree with this. If you are saying that these people are not refugees, but simply migrants, then they must get in line with everyone else. Perhaps TPS would be an appropriate short-term compromise until we have a new administration. I doubt Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan will be peaceful in 18 months, but it would give us a bridge to the new policy makers. Also, the issue could be weighed during the election with real-world ramifications, not just rhetoric. I do believe that we should be re-vamping our immigration laws. It is ludicrous that a country the size and population of China is only allowed the same total number of immigrants per year as say… Luxembourg. Unfortunately, most people hear “immigration reform” and all they see are Mexicans, legal and otherwise.

  166. I believe in the old quota system. I think it should be revised and that we should only allow the best in. By best I don’t mean white with blonde hair. I mean skilled and with links. Give me that and I don’t care where the folks are from.

  167. Quite frankly we can’t take anymore tired,poor and whatever else that green chick in Jersey says. The USA needs some introspection. Although I know isolationism is impossible it would be great if campaign 2016 actually looked at some domestic issues long and hard.

  168. “CF made false statements to score political points. I doubt she gives a f**k about abortion.”

    And here’s the quote:

    “I dare Hillary Clinton [and] Barack Obama to watch these tapes. Watch a fully-formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says, ‘We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.’ This is about the character of our nation.”

    First, show me the lie you twisted fuck.

    Second, tell me why the authenticity of the footage, representative or actual, makes one God Damned bit of difference to the sickness of harvesting fetuses described by CF.

    I hope this becomes a centerpiece of the left’s dumb attacks so we can all discuss the disgusting practices you advocate.

    Here’s your fucking fucking sickness bred by a political party Rutherford.

  169. Thank you Thor. I like John Denver’s work. He must have been from the rare German Sami people.

    Joanie Mitchel is an American Sami.

    Yes, it is best for the region to make life bearable for Syrians and their neighbors, but those people cannot change much with outside help. No one is willing or able to spend the time and resources to effect a meaningful change.

    If the borders were closed and the migrants felt no hope of escape, they might turn on their oppressors and kill or otherwise remove them. Lakes of blood would result. Easy options if they ever existed are gone.

  170. Topic sentence: “If you wish to eliminate abortions then make birth control available to both genders.”

    Where exactly is birth control unavailable to any gender?

    Answer: Nowhere. This is a straw man as well as a weak way of beginning a paragraph that follows with…

    Supporting sentences: “There are red states that teach abstinence only. Others state Sex Ed information does not have to be medically correct – BC pills will cause breast cancer, uterine cancer or makes you sterile to mention a few falsehoods.”

    What exactly do those sentences have to do with the topic sentence of that paragraph?

    Answer: Nothing. The quality of sex education does not have anything to do with the availability of birth control. While many states may indeed teach abstinence-only, it doesn’t mean those states don’t have multiple forms of readily available birth control.

    You were better off going without that entire paragraph.

  171. CF didn’t lie. A technician described removing the brain of a fully formed aborted baby. As she spoke the video showed another intact baby of similar gestational age which was still alive. While obviously not the same baby the technician was describing the video showed how such a baby would appear.

    To use El Tigre’s words, those God damned monsters are trying to discredit CF on a technicality. Anyone knowing the facts who supports such murders is a ghoul.

    Meanwhile 20 scientists want the government to prosecute people who deny global warming.

    They may or may not be a minority of the progressive movement, but they show we face a disease which will destroy us if we don’t destroy it.

    I have decided this week that when our grand daughter is older, I will teach her how to shoot. Hunting is a good sport.

  172. “We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.’ This is about the character of our nation.”

    “To be clear, Fiorina, like the other Republicans attacking Planned Parenthood, doesn’t have her facts straight. None of the videos have anyone talking about “harvesting” brains. The supposedly macabre video she’s talking about was highly, selectively edited by right-wing activists. Five state investigations of the issue closed without any findings of misdoing. Planned Parenthood, which provides critical medical services to tens of thousands of women across the country, doesn’t profit from fetal tissue donation, as the candidates imply.

    But the video clip of Fiorina’s answer, coming from one of the leading women in the GOP, is going to go a long way supporting this argument in the media. Polls show that the vast majority of voters have not been paying attention to politics more than a year out from the election. That puts extra attention on these debates, as the last Fox debate racked up record viewership and all predictions suggest tonight’s debate will do the same.”

    http://fusion.net/story/198690/gop-debate-carly-fiorina-planned-parenthood/
    http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/17/cnns-debate-fact-check-rates-carly-fiorinas-fal/205627

    ET – tell me how many of these videos and pictures are fake!! Life is not all roses…grow the fuck up!

    http://holywar.org/txt/027.htm

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/depleted-uranium-iraq-wars-legacy-cancer/193338/

    http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/depleted_uranium_iraq_afghanistan_balkans.html

    http://www.alternet.org/world/falluja-babies-and-depleted-uranium-americas-toxic-legacy-iraq

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/30/faulluja-birth-defects-iraq

    http://pubrecord.org/world/5811/depleted-uranium-babies-afghanistan/

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/20/ten_years_later_us_has_left

  173. Well it’s official. Layoff now effective. The good news: I will never again sit and take phone call after phone call. Hell on Earth.

    Firing up the old webinar biz again while I learn professional bookkeeping. Gonna be an interesting few months.

  174. “No force is more powerful than the human force of us Muslims”

    Kiss my ass. You guys can’t build anything, can’t do anything other than kill and destroy. You disfigure, beat and kill your women. How are you going to spread your seed around here? We don’t have that many goats you fucking fuck.

  175. If the borders were closed and the migrants felt no hope of escape, they might turn on their oppressors and kill or otherwise remove them. Lakes of blood would result. – James

    I have actually thought of this same idea more than once. If all the peaceful people leave, how will it ever get fixed? But then I’m torn with guilt when I hear things like Rabbit’s video. How can we condemn these people to live under masogonistic, psychopathic leaders like this dickhead.

  176. James, the lib Forina attack is so confusing because they won’t say the description of what’s going on is inaccurate. And Frankly what CF said is completely accurate regardless of who produced the video or where the imagery came from.

    You will notice that through all of JAL’s word salad she doesn’t dispute it either. To the contrary, she tries to use her 3rd grade logic to justify it.

    The mind of a liberal drone. 🙄

  177. “How can we condemn these people to live under masogonistic, psychopathic leaders like this dickhead.”

    I thought you and Rutherford had determined that “change comes from within.”

  178. It’s the arrogance, the fucking arrogance. As if God, in any form, would condone these actions. Butchers. Arrogant butchers. Trample us underfoot? Take it out of your mouth first, you living-in-the-fifth-century bitch. This shit takes me right back to September 12th 2001 and I hate that. I want to get beyond that and be reasonable but when I hear shit like that it just …errr fuck. I can’t even think of the words and that really, really pisses me off. Arrogant fucker.

  179. One thing I think is being said pretty loudly by most of the Muslim migrants,or at least I’d think it was on their minds.. Islamic nations kind of suck.

  180. James, Joni is Canadian, but today we are all Sami, right? BTW, I’ve seen it spelled Sami and Saami. Do the Sami themselves have a reference?

    Hey ET, that Joni M. song is on one of my playlists (Judy Collins version) Do I lose my chicken dinner along with my man card?

  181. I believe that we own the land through right of conquest, and foreigners have no right to be here unless we permit it.

    At least you’re honest.

    Damn, we’re a brutal race. Not much different from common animals.

  182. “Do I lose my chicken dinner along with my man card?”

    Your man card was permanently revoked long ago.

    Chicken dinner? Eh. . . Rutherford has to serve it to you.

  183. So glad you were unhappy with the Trump town hall that you “claim” to have tuned into all on your own.

    To be very clear, I was watching Hardball and they covered the Trump event live. Are you suggesting that if I’d been watching Fox and they covered it LIVE, I would not have been upset by it? That’s plain stupid.

    I NEVER, nowhere, not ever said that there are haters that call themselves Republicans and follow the party.

    Did you leave out a “not”? What are you bragging about? You SHOULD say there are haters that call themselves GOP. Just as there are haters who call themselves DEM.

    I’m telling you, BLM has been a gift to you because it really exposes the underbelly of lib politics. I’m willing to add PP supporters to that list.

  184. Your denials of the hold MSNBC has on you astound AND amuse me.

    I honestly don’t know if you’re arrogant or dull.

    Do you know how consistent YOUR message is? Who feeds your brain?

  185. I don’t see how Thor’s position inspires anger.

    I don’t have slightest idea how we let hoards of displaced people into our country without some risk. That’s why I would never play Muffy’s game of name a number. But on the principle, Thor is right. We are a generous compassionate people.

  186. Why oh why did the engineering teacher not step up to the plate ?!?

    You’re asking the wrong bunch. These folks figure the kid probably trains at a secret jihadists camp. 😡

  187. “Do you know how consistent YOUR message is? Who feeds your brain?”

    You do, MSNBC Boy. And it ain’t very nourishing.

    Oh the outrage at Trumps dismissive answer. Oh, he was supposed to defend Obama’s honor from the attack of a plant. Oh the humanity.

    Stupid liberal tactic. Make someone attack someone else’s comment of it becomes their tar baby. Jesus. I’m sure Hardball was playing it for you to divine for yourself whether to be outraged. Puuhhhhleeeeeze.

  188. Alfie I’m not sure I understand why you’re celebrating the kid having about four cops man-handle him. I don’t know the background. Why was he approached in the first place?

  189. One of these folks thinks the thing looks like a bomb and the kid was showing it around to provoke a reaction. It’d be like something I knew a lot of kids would do when I was in school.

    If a white Anglo teenager brought that into Columbine he wouldn’t be taken out the same way?

  190. “You’re asking the wrong bunch. These folks figure the kid probably trains at a secret jihadists camp. 😡”

    Still trying too hard. 🙄

  191. JAL here’s my take:
    1) Folks who oppose abortion AND birth control are damn fools and not worthy of a serious hearing.
    2) If tissue donation is available from adult cadavers that should be the main source.
    3) If tissue donation is done using fetal tissue, there should be consent forms signed by one or both parents. This is consistent with a parent donating her dead child’s organs. The tissue should be donated, not “harvested”.
    4) I don’t trust most PP vids as far as I can throw them but I DO believe PP is a suspect organization.
    5) The notion that we can fund PP and not fund abortion is absurd. Money is fungible. I have zero problem with congress cutting off funding to them. They are not the only place women can go to for health services.

  192. Thank you Thor, 9/18 @2.31 pm. That was beautiful.

    Quite frankly we can’t take anymore tired,poor and whatever else that green chick in Jersey says.”-Alfie

    I agree Alfie,we have enough of our own tired,poor and whatever.that we don’t take enough care of.

  193. Although I know isolationism is impossible it would be great if campaign 2016 actually looked at some domestic issues long and hard.

    I lean toward isolationist quite frankly.

  194. Here’s your fucking fucking sickness bred by a political party Rutherford.

    Tigre I’m torn on this one. I wouldn’t mind one bit if Carly launched an anti-abortion crusade. But when you do it, you’ve got to cross your t’s and dot your i’s. Carly gave her ideological opponents an opening by describing a doctored video (if what JAL says is correct).

  195. By the way, one crazy part of ACA is the approach to female contraception. When I can get free condoms I’ll be all for free women’s birth control. Until then, sorry. You’ve come a long way baby. Buy your own damn contraception.

  196. Ew, gross. I just saw Rutherford’s ass again.

    Are you two still whining because I asked you a question? What the fuck is wrong with you? LOL

    I didn’t even care about the number you moron. I said “that’s the end of that conversation” because Alfie gave the right answer. Even then Thor managed to get it wrong – or at least he must think so because he just changed his mealy mouthed answer to a new mealy mouthed answer that is so wormy I think he’s saying take zero but I ain’t sure. What was that you were saying about compassion?

  197. Take it out of your mouth first, you living-in-the-fifth-century bitch.

    I musta missed a comment. I’ve seen two uncharacteristically out there comments from Thor and I don’t know what they refer to.

  198. Hey ET, that Joni M. song is on one of my playlists (Judy Collins version)

    I haven’t watched many of the in thread videos but if we’re talking about Both Sides Now, the Judy Collins version is one of my all time favs. The instrumentation so very 60’s. You’d never hear a sound like that today. Shame.

  199. JAL and Rutherford,

    1) Folks who oppose abortion AND birth control are damn fools and not worthy of a serious hearing.

    Why are you two worrying about what even 80+% of Catholics think is morally acceptable?

    Who is denying anyone access to birth control and where is this taking place?

    IS THAT AN EASIER QUESTION FOR YOU RUTHERFORD YOU VACUOUS VERMIN?

  200. “Carly gave her ideological opponents an opening by describing a doctored video (if what JAL says is correct).”

    No. You idiots gave her an opening by arguing over the authenticity of the image rather than the authenticity of the heinous act portrayed. I saw what a fetus ready to be carved up looks like.

    Think you scored? Go watch Hillary try to deal with it. She’s an evasive bumbling idiot. I hope that video plays over, and over and over as you idiots analyze why it isn’t the actual fetus being described. Great tactic for you butchers.

    Anybody like you and JAL that have an issue with what CF said are unmovable sacks of mud. No need to play your games. I hope you remain unsatisfied. I’d question CF if you didn’t cave to the lame MSNBC narratives. It’s the only that matters to you.

  201. IS THAT AN EASIER QUESTION FOR YOU RUTHERFORD YOU VACUOUS VERMIN?

    Oh cool your irons. The weekend hasn’t even started yet.

    On this point, as I said to Huck, I’m defending JAL on the philosophy of the matter. There are folks who are abstinence only and that’s fine as an ideal but it makes you a moron in the real world.

    Practically speaking, I have no evidence of anyone being denied BC. But I don’t doubt that indoctrination exists and has a deleterious effect.

  202. “But when you do it, you’ve got to cross your t’s and dot your i’s. “

    Is that like lying?

    Is this?

    “Have you seen those very, very controversial videos?” -CNN

    “Well, Wolf, let’s break down what’s happening here. Because I think it’s important. I know that there is a move on by some of the Republicans in Congress to actually shut down the United States government over their demand that we no longer give federal funding to Planned Parenthood to perform the really necessary health services that they do for women. So let’s put aside for a moment here that there is no debate … that Planned Parenthood does cancer screenings, it helps provide family planning and contraceptive advice, it works to provide some of the most difficult kinds of counseling … what this is about is that some of the Planned Parenthood facilities perform abortions. Which is legal, under the laws of the United States.” -Hellacious Hillary

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/17/politics/hillary-clinton-interview-2016-election/index.html

  203. You idiots gave her an opening by arguing over the authenticity of the image rather than the authenticity of the heinous act portrayed.

    What kind of gobbledegook was that? The image documents the act doofus. You know damn well if someone tried to impeach your client based on the doctored evidence of something that really happened, you would exploit the inauthenticity of the evidence.

    CF can change hearts and minds if she sticks to properly documented facts. Until then she leaves her opponents an opening that, of all the folks on this board, YOU would exploit.

  204. Joni is Canadian, but that also makes her American.

    Rene Zellweger also probably has Sami roots. Inquisitr speculated in October that she had had cosmetic surgery to hide ethnic features, especially around her eyes.

    About 30,000 people of Sami ancestry live in the United States. Many came in the 1890’s when the US government attempted to divert Eskimos from hunting to herding reindeer.

    Sami came to teach reindeer husbandry. Problems were immediate. For one thing, reindeer were not adapted to most of the plants growing in Alaska.

    Another obstacle was the Yukon gold rush. Sami people asked themselves why they were teaching herding techniques when they could get rich in the gold fields. Some made a fortune. Others earned wealth in more conventional ways.

    They taught their children to forsake their old culture to become true Americans.

    Later, some began to reconnect with their heritage. A community lives near Seattle, and they communicate with Alaskans.

    I think they prefer Sami, but we have seen both spellings.

  205. I agree with Rutherford’s answer to JAL which I have not yet had time to find or read. The same for Huck’s comments.

    I also think Planned Parenthood should be defunded because their attitude is disrespectful of the babies they have killed. JAL is no more an insider than I am, so I believe she is wrong about the videos being doctored.

    A few breaks were in the tapes, but the commentary is undoctored according to a study requested by Planned Parenthood. The authorities were liberal Democrats. They found no signs of doctoring of the conversations. The charge is merely an attempt by Planned Parenthood to deflect from the awful reality.

    I agree someone who cites videos or other information about Planned Parenthood had better be precise. The sharks will twist anything to discredit an enemy.

  206. Yes, Rutherford, we are brutal. Our ancestors lived the equivalent of an old Vietnam War cry. “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for I am the meanest SOB in the valley.”

  207. You know, Tigre, I’m sitting here watching tonight’s Hardball and your dispute is soooooo misdirected.

    The problem with the MSNBC coverage is that they are missing the point. They are in a stew over Obama being insulted. What should outrage them and you is the paranoid denigration of American Muslims.

    What should outrage you is the Obama idolatry at MSNBC that has totally hijacked the story.

  208. “This is consistent with a parent donating her dead child’s organs. The tissue should be donated, not “harvested”. The patient does sign consent.

    #2 – “V. What are the similarities and differences between embryonic and adult stem cells?
    Human embryonic and adult stem cells each have advantages and disadvantages regarding potential use for cell-based regenerative therapies. One major difference between adult and embryonic stem cells is their different abilities in the number and type of differentiated cell types they can become. Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are thought to be limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin.

    Embryonic stem cells can be grown relatively easily in culture. Adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues, so isolating these cells from an adult tissue is challenging, and methods to expand their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.

    Scientists believe that tissues derived from embryonic and adult stem cells may differ in the likelihood of being rejected after transplantation. We don’t yet know for certain whether tissues derived from embryonic stem cells would cause transplant rejection, since relatively few clinical trials have tested the safety of transplanted cells derived from hESCS.

    Adult stem cells, and tissues derived from them, are currently believed less likely to initiate rejection after transplantation. This is because a patient’s own cells could be expanded in culture, coaxed into assuming a specific cell type (differentiation), and then reintroduced into the patient. The use of adult stem cells and tissues derived from the patient’s own adult stem cells would mean that the cells are less likely to be rejected by the immune system. This represents a significant advantage, as immune rejection can be circumvented only by continuous administration of immunosuppressive drugs, and the drugs themselves may cause deleterious side effects.”

    #3 – If these pro-life ran an honest game it would be worth listening. If they had a valid point/info they would not have to use deceptive methods to make their point. They have been caught a number of times in their videos. There are so many lies and wrong info given as fact. It is a turn off for pro-choice people but a real turn on for pro-life people who accept it as fact written in stone no matter how outrageous it may be!

    #4 – R – Yes you were right…if you oppose abortion and intelligent/accurate bc/sex ed info what are you expecting…….the need for abortions to disappear!

    Huck
    #5 “available” how about affordable. How about reliable affordable/available bc to all those who have need….including 13 year olds without their parents consent? This will reduce a number of abortions. It will require people to have a mature attitude toward SEX!

  209. “The fetus mentioned was a photo of a stillborn that the grieving mother posted on her FB page. Center for Medical Progress lifted it and placed it in their video.”

    This^ isn’t in even close to precision. This^ comes closer to a lie than anything Fiorina said.

    “Others assert that the baby was stillborn, a falsehood that goes back to The Hill, which made this claim in a story in August:

    ‘The anti-abortion-rights group targeting Planned Parenthood is acknowledging that its most recent video used an image of a stillborn baby that was made to look like an aborted fetus. The Center for Medical Progress posted a new link on its video late Thursday, adding that one of the images was actually a baby named Walter Fretz, born prematurely at 19 weeks.’

    This is inaccurate on multiple counts. The video shows two different babies, neither of whom are stillborn. One was an image of Fretz, who was not a stillborn baby, but was born born prematurely at 19 weeks and died in his parents arms. This image of Fretz appeared during the 8:59 minute mark of the video, where he appears to be wrapped in a blanket and have a clip on his umbilical chord to keep it from getting infected.

    Earlier in the video, around the 5:56 mark, there is footage of another baby boy around the same gestational age as Fretz who is not stillborn either, but a baby who survived an abortion and was left in a metal bowl to die. In the footage, he kicks his legs and twitches his arms during the final moments of his life, and a pair of forceps lays beside him. The footage was provided by The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, a pro-life organization headquartered in Lake Forrest, California.

    The Hill’s claim is inaccurate, as neither of these babies were stillborn. Both were born alive and died outside of the womb. One was a survivor of an abortion who was left to die of exposure in a metal bowl at the abortion clinic, while the other was born to a mother who wanted him, and died in her arms.”

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/18/whos-really-lying-about-the-planned-parenthood-videos-carly-fiorina-or-the-factcheckers/

    Earlier in the article –

    “In the video in question, a technician is talking about harvesting the brain of an alive, fully formed fetus. While she tells her story, there is footage of another baby of roughly the same gestational age as the one whose brain she harvested. This baby is seen still kicking and its heart still beating.

    While it is obviously not the same baby as the one she harvested the brain of, the footage helps viewers to understand what a 19-week old baby looks like when hearing the testimony of an ex-employee who harvested brains from babies of the same age. Illustrating stories with appropriate images is a common journalistic technique, one used by all media outlets.”

  210. “The media have consistently failed to cover the Planned Parenthood footage, and now they are covering up the truth. The reality is that babies of the same gestational age are having their organs harvested every day. These videos feature graphic footage of abortionists mangling babies to harvest organs to sell. They feature abortionists admitting that babies often survive those abortions. They show high-level Planned Parenthood officials encouraging this organ-harvesting scheme, acknowledged that it is happening, and attempting to skirt scrutiny from it.

    The videos Carly Fiorina referenced do indeed exist, and they reveal the barbaric realities of the abortion industry.”

    The same article already linked.

  211. Is Rutherford really nailing CF becuase she referenced the wrong video when expressing outrage over Planned Parenthood crimes against humanity?

  212. JAL a couple of things. First what may be a semantic nitpick. Wouldn’t the cells taken from a fully formed fetus be far more differentiated than embryonic cells? If you really mean embryonic, then the obvious reply is, that is irrelevant to 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions.

    Second, as the father of an 11 year old daughter, I cannot sign up for the notion of birth control for minors without parental consent.

  213. Rabbit, yes and no. There are two ways to look at it. Carly distorted the content of a video to prove her point OR she accurately described a video that was not at the center of the debate. If it’s the former, she needs to refine her game. If it’s the latter than she has a leg to stand on … but even then she shouldn’t be relying on doctored videos.

    When this pay for parts scandal erupted, there were no dead babies in the vid. It was a vid of someone being surreptitiously recorded in a restaurant talking about the practice. I need to go find the vid which I believe one of you posted on this very blog a week or two ago.

  214. Just don’t make us party to it.

    If you’re referring to gov subsidy, you get no argument from me. That’s exactly why PP should be defunded – because you can’t say with a straight face the money isn’t used for abortions.

  215. Please you’re being silly. It’s not about nailing her or defending PP. It’s simply holding her to the standard she will have to meet if she’s going to win the debate with pro-PP people.

  216. “#5 “available” how about affordable.”

    Are condoms really that expensive?

    And replacing “available” with “affordable” still doesn’t connect your topic sentence to the supporting sentences.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am all for responsible birth control and responsible (and age appropriate) sex education. I just think this whole Sandra Fluke-ish argument about “affordable” birth control is bullshit and I sense you are, or have, used it as a back door defense for ObamaCare mandates.

    If I am wrong about that, then my apologies.

  217. “CF can change hearts and minds if she sticks to properly documented facts.”

    What facts weren’t documented? That fetuses aborted at 19 weeks were harvested.

    YOU didn’t watch the video, did you? Be honest. Do you know what it was showing. You;re having an entirely different argument. One not based on any facts. Like the ones I can’t believe Muffy had to pul for you as lecture about accuracy.

    Read the fucking Fiorina quote again. Tell us what was inaccurate, specifically. Go on. . . we’ll wait.

  218. “It’s simply holding her to the standard she will have to meet if she’s going to win the debate with pro-PP people.”

    Bullshit. You’re just buying into the incredibly stupid attack like you always do.

  219. “You know, Tigre, I’m sitting here watching tonight’s Hardball and your dispute is soooooo misdirected.”

    Huh? What did I say that was wrong? Trying to hold Trump accountable for (1) not defending Obama or (2) not attacking the guy he blew off or (3) both? It’s all the same.

    You and MSNBC suck Obama’s dick.

    CNN sucks the Clintons’ cocks.

    This is supposed to be a new source of outrage for me?

  220. Rutherford can’t answer your question El Tigre because she told the truth. She may have left a technical opening, but she still told the truth. The video is there for us all to see.

    Our daughter knows someone who had a baby at 22 weeks. He had about 6% survival chance, and he suffered almost everything imaginable, but now, he is a happy toddler. He is not much older than the dismembered babies shown on the video.
    Two women who survived abortions testified before Congress. One has some disabilities due to injuries from the saline solution designed to kill her.

  221. “I need to go find the vid which I believe one of you posted on this very blog a week or two ago.”

    Niiiiice.

    That was me. I posted the very video Fiorina mentioned and we’re discussing. It

    It was released when the injunction was lifted. I saw it post and put it here. Right before the first debates. I said they should reference the videos (there’s many) over, and over, and over.

    CF was dead on. Dead. On.

    It stung and that’s why you MSNBCers a running around looking for a response.

    And it’s lame as shit.

  222. “It’s simply holding her to the standard she will have to meet if she’s going to win the debate with pro-PP people”

    As if winning pro-PP people is a possibility. Or losing anti-PP people, for that matter.

    This really is a nothing burger.

  223. The leader of Planned Parenthood shows how the videos threaten the image of her organization. She accused C F of supporting policies which kill women. If Carli is guilty of a mistaken detail, Terry O’Neil has just written a novel of lies.

    Under her rules, any one of us can say Planned Parenthood has deep roots in eugenics and racism with a proven record of black extermination. They are still killing black babies.

  224. YOU didn’t watch the video, did you?

    I POSTED one vid nitwit which I called disgusting. I also watched the video Carly’s spokesperson said she watched.

    You’re getting desperate. I CLEARLY stated the WSJ piece did not make the case of its headline because the video it linked to supported Carly’s assertion.

    I strongly suggest you go back and review the entire thread again before you open your mouth.

    Next comment will address Carly’s comment but it won’t matter because words don’t matter to you.

  225. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Be sure to cross your t’s and dot your i’s or you won’t win the debate with people that don’t care about words. . . ..

  226. “Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

    Here’s the video the press says most closely resembles Carly’s description. Tigre, please tell me at what minute mark someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.

    This is the video Fiorina’s spokesperson pointed to … no mention of keeping fetus alive to harvest brain.

    I will take the videos down after Tigre defends Fiorina’s case.

  227. “ET – tell me how many of these videos and pictures are fake!! Life is not all roses…grow the fuck up!”

    Just saw this one. Great retort! There are other dead babies.

    You’re right. Fiorina was lying. There are other dead babies. What she said really didn’t resonate with debate watchers.

  228. Right around 6:05.

    the commentary that coincides with this:

    “This newest expose’ video further confirms what Dr. Theresa Deisher, a world-renowned scientist in the field of stem cell research who holds patents after discovering adult stem cells in human hearts, said in a recent interview. Deisher helped the pro-life activists who spent three years recording undercover videos and capturing documents and information showing the Planned Parenthood abortion business selling aborted babies and their body parts.

    She says she has reviewed the information the activists collected and she is making a shocking claim that Planned Parenthood may be keeping some babies alive after the abortion procedure in order to better collect their organs for harvesting — such as their hearts.

    “Biomedical companies prefer gestational ages of greater than 20 weeks for heart muscle,” she adds. “This is from reading their publications; so, I have always suspected that the babies in some of these cases were alive until their hearts were cut out.”

    http://www.lifenews.com/2015/08/19/7th-shocking-video-catches-planned-parenthood-harvesting-brain-of-aborted-baby-who-was-still-alive/

    Citing this:

    http://www.lifenews.com/2015/08/18/planned-parenthood-is-likely-keeping-some-aborted-babies-alive-until-their-hearts-are-cut-out/

    The heart is the last to go, meaning that they keep it beating while they harvest the other parts. . .

    AS DESCRIBED IN THE VIDEO.

  229. Why is that?

    Because they’re disgusting and offensive.

    You think I’m a cheerleader for this shit. I’m not. I am making the purely intellectual argument that without precision, Carly undermines her argument.

    Sometimes saying less is more. “I challenge Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to watch a woman describe cutting through a baby’s face to extract his brain.” DONE BINGO BULLSEYE That was in the damn video!!!! Don’t add extra details at the risk of being wrong.

  230. Are you kidding me? The baby was alive you fuckwad. That was the point. She said absolutely nothing wrong. They cut the brain out and keep the heart beating until the end. That’s what was described by the women. “Wanna see something cool. . . ”

    What the fuck is the matter with you????

    Jesus H.

  231. the commentary that coincides with this:

    NO NO NO NO NO You fucking sleaze. We are talking about the VIDEO and comparing Carly’s statement to the video.

    At 6:05 they show a very late term fetus. There is zero mention, ZERO, of keeping the baby alive to harvest the brain.

    “Coincides” my ass. Talk about moving goalposts!!!

    Again Tigre, where in the VIDEO is what Carly said true? I’m waiting.

    P.S. In the video, which you don’t want to address Ms. O’Donnell expresses UNCERTAINTY about whether the fetus is alive or dead because dead bodies can still exhibit neuron activity.

    I’m sorry to compare babies to animals but if you’ve ever dissected a frog you know that a pithed frog (which is DEAD) has to be pinned down during disection because touching a nerve may make it jump sky high.

  232. After being told “wanna see something cool?” She tells us that the heart was tapped and it “started beating”. Again an electrical response. This freaks O’Donnell out (understandably) and makes her question if the baby is really dead.

  233. Rutherford, you are an absolute dumbfuck. I’m not doing this shit with you. What you just said is so fucking stupid it doesn’t warrant a response. Give it up.

  234. “Because they’re disgusting and offensive”.

    I don’t watch them. I can’t. I’ll become enraged.

    But, taking them down. More people need to post this stuff.

  235. I’m done too. You could not show where in the video Carly’s description was justified and to prove you could not do it you point to 6:05 and then toss in “supporting docs” not in the video.

    I KNEW YOU WOULD DO THIS!!! So the real question is are you stupid or just a sleaze?

    I’m done too. And since Rabbit thinks I’m a fan of abortion, the videos stay up.

    FUCK YOU, RABBIT AND MUFFY. 😡😡😡😡😡

  236. I thought you and Rutherford had determined that “change comes from within.” – ET

    It will have to come from within, if it is to last, yes. But do we condemn those that do not wish to stay or are not strong enough to stay and attempt the change? That’s all I’m saying.

    R – my “uncharacteristic” responses were to Rabbit’s vid. You must not have watched it?

  237. “My point was this whole culture of virtue-signaling where debates are about nothing. Look, Republicans all agree 100 percent that we are pro-Israel, pro-Life, pro-gun. So why do we spend so much time on these issues? It’s just pandering, so who are they pandering to?” – AC

    Is this true?

  238. R – my “uncharacteristic” responses were to Rabbit’s vid. You must not have watched it?

    No Thor I hadn’t. I’ll have to go look at it.

    Despite my written pleas the WP developers refuse to allow vids to appear within the iPhone app. So I have to often copy/paste them into either Safari or the YouTube app. Real pain in the ass.

  239. Thor I must be spent from arguing with ET.

    Who is AC that you’re quoting?

    As for Rabbits video. I just watched enough of it to not want to finish it. Thor, I don’t want to sound like Poolman or an apologist but do you always trust the subtitles on Arabic vids?

    I’ll take it on faith and tell you it’s typical radical rhetoric. The shame is assholes like that make it hard for really put-upon Muslims to get any sympathy.

  240. Thor, I don’t want to sound like Poolman or an apologist but do you always trust the subtitles on Arabic vids? – R

    No, but I do trust Rabbit and his vigilance against propaganda.

    As far as AC, do you think she is right? Repubs are lock step on those three issues? I know it’s blasphemy around here to say that Ann is wrong about anything, but she has to be wrong about this.

  241. The real question is if a lib like me said what Ann said — basically there are three or four areas on which they ALL agree, I’d be strung up my by fingernails. Of course she’s wrong. The far right yells the loudest and gets the most attention. Conservatives run the gamut on issues.

  242. ” Do we condemn those who do not wish to stay or are not strong enough to effect change?” No. We sympathize with them and we do what we can to help, but we do not let waves of people into our country.

    I saw a movie based on a true story. The captain of a ship was in charge of a life boat which was over loaded. They went many miles before rescue. The passengers discarded those they thought were less likely to survive or less likely to be useful to the group. They were cast into the water. Some died so the rest could live.

    I disagree with Ann Coulter. Her logic is also bad. Republicans or Democrats should be pandering and reaching out to any voter they can find. So yes, they should worry about everyone.

    You are arguing over details about Planned Parenthood as if you were worried about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. The truth is undeniable. Planned Parenthood whether or not they did anything illegal shows a cavalier attitude toward the babies and fetuses it kills. They abort some babies so late they are committing infanticide.

    Sometimes they worry less about the comfort of a baby’s last moments than producing an intact specimen, They are killing human beings. The least they can do is honor their victims. The callous attitude is pervasive in the videos. No amount of editing can erase the demonstrated evil in their hearts. Surely other abortionists are less cruel and blood thirsty.

    Planned Parenthood can go to Hell.

  243. Blame Obama if you want, but he is just the latest in a long list of Presidents that couldn’t “solve” the Middle East.

    Well, I remember you lying assholes from the Left singing a far sweeter tune seven years ago about how great Obama was when he was going to usher in world peace and was awarded the Nobel Prize 12 days into office. ** PUKE **

    What makes you Libs credible now, now that you have been proven not only so wrong, but downright moronic in your assessments? Because let me tell you, you fools and cowards have no credibility. None. Zero. Zilch. Obama has been an unmitigated disaster and you can’t even be honest enough to admit how deceitful, how pathetically weak, and how much irreparable damage he’s caused. You know why? Because you’re personally invested in a sham called Obama. Frankly, most of you are just like him.

    Here’s what I say to a rank propagandist like Mr. Thor now. Rutherford is too stupid and unteachable to matter to me anymore. I loathe the worthless, lying, foolish bastard and I wanted to return to his own blog to tell him that.

    There are more dissidents across this world at this moment since anytime since your daddy’s great war, Thor. You same people wanting to excuse Obama as just the latest President being unable to control the Middle East were telling me in 2008 that it was America’s warmongering that had caused all of these deaths of poor innocent Muslims. You propagandized to win an election over it, promised us Obama would heal the rifts and make things so, so much better, even blamed Bush for 9/11. Well guess what, asshole? Obama has made it a hundred times worse – EVERYWHERE. You wait until Russia and China make that known where even you assholes can’t deny it.

    You were way wrong then and you are even more wrong now.

    So let tell you Leftists something since you can’t figure anything worth a thing out. Our inactions have caused far more turmoil and far more death of these innocent Muslims. In the process, thousands of Christians have been slaughtered as you kick that under the rug too. I don’t want to hear a fucking word from any of you about how bad George Bush was. I’m ashamed I share a country with you sorry fucks. You’re not worth two dead flies – not a one of you. I ought to kill a bunch of you myself for endangering our own children with your rank stupidity.

    And if there is justice, you and your families are going to die at the hands of these radicals you and your feckless President have allowed to fester.

    You put that in your scrap books. PRICKS.

  244. Yes, James. Rutherford’s desire to carry the MSNBC idiot message gets him all twisted. He of course did not watch the whole video, which from the outset explains the live birth components then leads up to the sequence discussing what he denies is being discussed.

    There is no context for the little mind when he thinks he’s making a point with those really sharp debate skillz he unloads on us. She was just not describing what she was describing.

    Nailed her!

  245. Nice to see you Tex.

    Rutherford was just convincing us that GOP would win him and his friends over if they just didn’t lie about something or another he saw on MSNBC.

    So it turns out the problems Obama was gonna solve but made worse were unsolvable — so he can’t be blamed or the republicans can be blamed?

  246. “You are arguing over details about Planned Parenthood as if you were worried about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.” -James

    A High Five to James

  247. Republicans all agree 100 percent that we are pro-Israel, pro-Life, pro-gun. So why do we spend so much time on these issues?
    I think whoever said this is actually begging the GOP folks to campaign differently instead of stumping on the tired red meat trio. Its actually good advice because even though you need the base in the early stages you need not to be a caricature of stupidity through the long term.
    The GOP or anyone else is never going to get rid of abortion. This truth lies in a number of beds not the least being eugenics.
    I am not pro-Israel and I know a number of right of center types who absolutely abhor the US zionism fan club. Back in the day folks like Cantor who blatantly put Tel Aviv before Toledo deserve death. Where US and Israel matters gel be all in but don’t ever delude yourself that the special relationship is a two way street.
    Down to the district level republicans are willing to support intelligent gun laws. The emphasis is important since it is the prereq.

  248. As for CF,PP,MsNBC and whatever other initial you want to throw around the facts on the ground are as follows.
    Abortion isn’t going anywhere.
    Pro Abortion people are for the most part sporting some of the sickest people amongst them.
    Planned Parenthood and others like it should have all funding cut. That they lie and cheat to skirt Hyde [?] is obscene. But this is where we get into trouble. Folks that vilify abortion and a few hundred tax dollars going to pay for one are the same people who rail against raising WIC Food stamp SCHIP Head Start public schools welfare and prison babies.

  249. “Folks that vilify abortion and a few hundred tax dollars going to pay for one are the same people who rail against raising WIC Food stamp SCHIP Head Start public schools welfare and prison babies.”

    I don;t miss your point. That’s not incongruent. The view of society’s tolerance and responsibility for the choices of others drives the two.

  250. LOL @ Bernie Sanders@BernieSanders

    “Trump must apologize to the president and American people for continuing the lie that the president is not an American and not a Christian.”

  251. Did ya make the connection between indulging pewlz and the tinfoil hat Trump troofer yet?

    Oopsies. Was that a question? My bad.

    ~

    I rather enjoyed Coulter’s tweets. Thanks for bringing them to our attention. 😆

    ~

    I don’t remember what the other candidates had to say on the abortion issue at the debate but who better than Fiorina to bring it up? (I think she’d be wise to not bring the issue up anymore though – she got her message out.)

    ~

    Good to see you Tex. LOL That was a nice summary of what Tex missed, ET.

  252. I cannot say he is wrong on either count.

    “Am I morally obligated to defend the president every time somebody says something bad or controversial about him? I don’t think so! […] If someone made a nasty or controversial statement about me to the president, do you really think he would come to my rescue? No chance!” – Trump

  253. Huck@1:20pm – all things considered you’re better off. I couldn’t exactly put Ann Coulter on my Twitter feed. If I had one. Know what I mean?

  254. “Trump pointed to Fiorina’s stump speech, in which she regularly refers to calling her friend Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on her first day in the Oval Office.

    “I’ve heard that so many times, and she said it the other night too, the same exact words,” Trump said on the program. “Bah, bah, bah — like a robot.”

    Again, I hate to say it, but he’s right.

  255. Hey what’s up with CA AG Kamala Harris. Won’t investigate PP for potential felony violations but is trying to go after the people who did the videos even though a court told her she was wrong to do so.

  256. GOP is dedicated to pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. Trump is saying the right things he’s just the absolute wrong vessel. How is the other candidates not picking up that a bit of attitude is a good thing.

  257. Republicans or Democrats should be pandering and reaching out to any voter they can find.

    I hope you really mean that. I’m a strong believer that, without compromising their ideals, Republicans should do intensive outreach to the black community. I think it is human nature to be Fatal Attraction Glenn Close – “I will not be ignored”. People are flattered when you talk to them, even if you RESPECTFULLY present ideas they typically don’t like.

    I doubt Bernie will get a large evangelical vote but kudos to him for going to Liberty University!!!

  258. “I doubt Bernie will get a large evangelical vote but kudos to him for going to Liberty University!!!”

    And kudos to Liberty University for inviting him, for its student body not demanding he cancel, and for the lack of need for a “safe space” for anyone who might get sad or feel threatened by a him presenting alternative views.

  259. Re: Planned Parenthood, James I tend to get in trouble here whenever I have an argument about WORDS. Some here really don’t think words matter. So “what she really meant” rules the day. Whenever I argue that HOW you present your position matters, I get shouted down. The latest and probably last time this will happen I posted a video that everyone but the deaf could hear. Alongside it I posted CF’s exact quote. Unless you contort yourself into a pretzel, her words do not match the video. And in return I got “the sky is not blue” obstinacy.

    I say it’s the last time this is going to happen because I’m done with word arguments for good here. I wasted gobs of my time last night that I can’t get back. It’s not going to happen again.

    From now on, differences in how we read and hear things is going to be chalked up by me as “lost in translation”. I am truly done.

  260. I ought to kill a bunch of you myself for endangering our own children with your rank stupidity.

    You won’t and you can’t. Go take a long nap or a walk and come back when you’re in your right mind. Even if that takes another week. I won’t bother you with another email this time. You’re a big boy. I’ll leave you be.

  261. Rutherford’s desire to carry the MSNBC idiot message gets him all twisted. He of course did not watch the whole video

    You’re an unmitigated asshole on this one. Let me repeat, WHAT CARLY SAID IS NOT THERE!!!

    Early in the video there is talk of the use of infanticide to AVOID the ACCUSATION of partial birth abortion. There is no consensus in this video that the fetus outside the womb is ALIVE. The beating heart AGAIN is presented as post-mortem electrical reaction. And yes when the intent is organ DONATION not HARVESTING infanticide cannot be used. So they run the risk of being accused of partial birth abortion and they have to accept that risk. Did you notice they also try to manipulate a breach birth to minimize damage to the scull since women don’t dilate prematurely the way they do at term? Yeah I didn’t watch the video.

    I watched the whole GODDAM VIDEO more than once. It’s all the more reason I’m pissed at you because it’s all fucking disgusting.

    Let’s get this straight. PP come off as callous motherfuckers. There is evidence in the video one mother was coerced. That’s not the argument. The argument is Carly better state her case to the letter or she is going to be challenged.

    Now like I said last night fuck off. We are not having these kind of arguments anymore because you are either dumb or not an honest interlocutor. Either way, it’s a waste of my time.

    We can discuss opinions any time you like. I’m done discussing facts with “the sky is green”-Tigre.

  262. Down to the district level republicans are willing to support intelligent gun laws.

    I don’t argue that. Do you think the NRA does too? And if not, who has the final say?

  263. Tigre can’t let go because I nailed HIM in an earlier comment. The folks arguing the nits and nats of Carly’s statement are doing what Tigre gets paid for.

    Maybe I shouldn’t be so angry with him. We may simply be witnessing an exercise in self-loathing.

  264. Folks that vilify abortion and a few hundred tax dollars going to pay for one are the same people who rail against raising WIC Food stamp SCHIP Head Start public schools welfare and prison babies.

    I’ve been saying this in a different way the past 8 years. Typical pro-life folks don’t give a flying fuck once the umbilical gets cut. And they support the death penalty.

    I’m getting more pro-life the older I get but I also advocate government fostering an environment in which people stand a chance.

  265. The view of society’s tolerance and responsibility for the choices of others drives the two.

    Holy shit. You’re right. It’s not inconsistent. The same folks who say “you got preggers, now DEAL WITH IT” are the same folks who say “you’re poor, now deal with it, you lost your job, now deal with it. You’re not my problem.”

    So wouldn’t it be so much clearer if the pro-life gang stopped the charade about caring for the infant and just said what they really meant – women must bear responsibility for getting pregnant.

  266. LOL …. This is true. Obama would NOT come to Trumps defense.

    As I said before, the meat of this, if there is any meat, is Trump giving lip service to Islamophobia. It should have nothing to do with Obama and the Obama-cock-sucking media have this entirely wrong.

    I might add, I always derided the president getting the Nobel. Now one of the dudes who voted for it is publicly regretting his vote.

  267. Ann Coulter is a look-at-me little girl. Very entertaining. Not much substance. I do enjoy her but she’s a guilty pleasure. One of her assets, she’s a happy warrior. Too many angry folks out there.

  268. R – “There is no consensus in this video that the fetus outside the womb is ALIVE. The beating heart AGAIN is presented as post-mortem electrical reaction.”

    Initiation of heart contractile activity is not a good landmark. Those cells contract automatically, without any organization as a heart at all. You might have five cells total, but they are contracting. It begins about 21 days after fertilization in humans, at which point the fetus looks like this:

    The “baby” at that point looks like a piece of shoeleather. Now where is the soul living in this mass of cells?

  269. “The argument is Carly better state her case to the letter or she is going to be challenged.”

    I stand corrected. I thought your words “If Carly were smart she’d leave the lying to Hillary” meant something.

    Since I seem to have provoked you into screaming FUCK YOU MUFFY with my rather mild “My mind is blown” remark – I’ll take this opportunity to let you know that your histrionics don’t intimidate me any more than JAL’s rambling lies. Especially in the same thread where you whine about me taking lessons from Tigre on splitting hairs.

    OK Rutherford – you win. And not just because you stamped your feet and threw a fit. Well, it is because of that but no matter – you win. You finally win one. Precision it is. Be careful what you wish for.

  270. Oh Huck CF actually did make a change Wednesday night. She usually says “and then I’d call the Supreme leader of Iran and [he might not take my call but if he did] I’d tell him bla bla bla…” On Wednesday night she left out the clause I put in brackets. I was surprised at the change because prior to that she said it verbatim identical every time.

    Of course Trump is no one to talk. He hasn’t changed the content of his ramble in weeks.

  271. Hey what’s up with CA AG Kamala Harris.

    Answer is obvious. She’s a partisan hack. (No sarcasm intended).

    PP needs a thorough investigation once and for all to lay this shit to rest. If they’re defying the law, shut them down and put Tigre leaders in jail.

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 my spellcheck changes their to Tigre. I’m keeping it!!!

  272. “Have your abortions. Just don’t make us party to it.”

    Have your military adventures; just don’t make American taxpayers pay for it.
    Have your money-printing parties; just don’t make American taxpayers pay for it.
    Send all that money to crack-whores in New York; just don’t make taxpayers pay for it.
    Pay for all the homes destroyed in California fires, in places where homes shouldn’t have been built to begin with, and homes in New Orleans, where they fucking KNEW it was going to flood; just don’t make the taxpayers pay for it.
    Build nuclear missilses; but don’t make the taxpayer pay for it.

    yada, yada, yada…

    You people pay for hundreds of things all the time with which you don’t agree; that’s too bad; it’s how a democracy works. You can’t pull out things you disagree with and say, “I don’t want to pay for it.” Everybody pays for everything.

    Didn’t they teach you girls anything at Brown except lesbian sex?

  273. How is the other candidates not picking up that a bit of attitude is a good thing.

    You either have it or you don’t. Bush, Walker and Rubio don’t. Paul, Cruz, Fiorina, Christie do. Maybe Kasich. I won’t address the undercard. They’re toast. Paul’s delivery undercuts his attitude.

  274. And kudos to Liberty University for inviting him, for its student body not demanding he cancel, and for the lack of need for a “safe space” for anyone who might get sad or feel threatened by a him presenting alternative views.

    100% correct.

  275. Now where is the soul living in this mass of cells?

    That is the crux of it Muffy and why it is (or should be) gut wrenching. What does it mean to be human?

    Oliver Sachs, who just died recently was wrestling with that question. What makes you you? Your brain? Or something far less tangible?

  276. I stand corrected. I thought your words “If Carly were smart she’d leave the lying to Hillary” meant something.

    I honestly don’t get this. I’m consistent. When Carly got over specific, she was accused of lying. Best to avoid the accusation since her potential opponent lies whenever she opens her mouth.

  277. As for the “fuck you Muffy” I felt like I was being ganged up on. Typical around here but I was tired. Watching fetuses in this context kinda wears a guy out.

    Oh, one more thing. I have zero illusions about intimidating you. I was just angry, that’s all.

  278. You people pay for hundreds of things all the time with which you don’t agree; that’s too bad; it’s how a democracy works. You can’t pull out things you disagree with and say, “I don’t want to pay for it.” Everybody pays for everything.

    True in part. In a democracy, people, through their representatives decide what to pay for and what not to pay for. Muffy has every right to ask her rep not to fund abortions.

    The problem here in the States, old Aussie, is that our reps don’t listen to us.

    As for Brown, DAMN, I would have applied there if I’d known about the lesbian sex. I have a real weakness for that stuff. 😀

  279. “Men often don’t. Do you agree?”

    I would agree somewhat. On the other hand, making abortion a “woman’s issue”, by definition, makes it NOT a man’s issue. Telling men it’s none of their business and not their choice makes it tough to pin on men.

    I have long said that the issue affects (or should anyway) both people involved. And I have also been told, by women, that if men want a say in the discussion it ends when their zipper comes down (ignoring the fact that women make the choice to lower their zippers, as well).

  280. “True in part. In a democracy, people, through their representatives decide what to pay for and what not to pay for. Muffy has every right to ask her rep not to fund abortions.

    The problem here in the States, old Aussie, is that our reps don’t listen to us.”

    Which is why spending bills are supposed to originate in the House. That way if your Rep pisses you off you don’t have to wait 6 years to vote his ass out.

  281. It’s human. It has a heart that beats. It has finger nails. It has a gender. It even has REM sleep. At only 20 weeks the baby in tge womb sucks it’s thumb. Proof of a soul not required.

  282. Rabbit you’ve provided a very simplistic definition that undercuts your position. As I think Muffy pointed out, heart cells beat independently in a Petri dish. What if at 20 weeks, the gender is ambiguous? What if the fetus is malformed and has no fingers (hence no nails and no thumb to suck)?

    Sorry. Your definition has to go a lot deeper than that if you’re going to define human life. With your definition, very early term abortions are ok.

  283. “We are not having these kind of arguments anymore because you are either dumb or not an honest interlocutor.”

    Good. Then shut the fuck up. Argue a point. Your stupidity is tiring.

  284. Huck has touched upon the male female dynamic that has always hung me up on this abortion thing.

    If I were a woman I’d find it hard to give too much credence to someone who doesn’t have to go nine months, getting bigger and bigger and more and more uncomfortable ending in one of the most physically painful human experiences known to man. THAT is why some women tell men to STFU.

  285. “What if the fetus is malformed and has no fingers (hence no nails and no thumb to suck)?”

    What if someone has to use an artificial tracheotomy?

    Your questions, while 101 philosophical, can be applied to a grown ass man.

  286. “Holy shit. You’re right. It’s not inconsistent. The same folks who say “you got preggers, now DEAL WITH IT” are the same folks who say “you’re poor, now deal with it, you lost your job, now deal with it. You’re not my problem.”

    Why yes. Not inconsistent. The ones that say when I get pregnant either pay for my abortion or pay the costs of raising it. My choice is your obligation. Deal with it.

  287. “So wouldn’t it be so much clearer if the pro-life gang stopped the charade about caring for the infant and just said what they really meant – women must bear responsibility for getting pregnant.”

    The charade of caring about the infant? Yeah. You got your finger on it. 🙄

  288. “So wouldn’t it be so much clearer if the pro-life gang stopped the charade about caring for the infant and just said what they really meant – women must bear responsibility for getting pregnant.”

    You convince yourself you believe this liberal talking point shit becuase, outside of internet debating, you are a very bored and feel like a worthless fuck.

    You bore the shit out of me lately, too.

    Anything demonstrable, and you eat crow.

    That sums this place up from day one. Over and over again.

    That’s why you got so hard over the CF ” lie”. You are dying for something to demonstrate. In that case, it was a huge waste becuase the point remained completely valid. But the trivial energized your depressed ass, making you look like your adulthood is somewhat stunted.

    If I lamented the Holocaust and accidentally cited the wrong footage of Auschwitz, would you spend days talking about how I better cross my T’s and dot my I’s? No…becuase there is no “gotcha” there.

    If those were the only kind of “lies” the Dems made….I’d vote Hillary over Trump or Bush.

    Clinton lies involve the FBI and national secrets. Biden’s lies involve a fabricated resume. Warren’s lies involve stealing the identy of Native Americans so she can enjoy their privalge and gain financially. I could go on forever. On and on and on.

    So, with proof of being wrong at every turn, all of it demonstrable, all you have left is this MSNBC bumper sticker shit.

    Dude…do something cool and write about it.

    Something out of your comfort zone.

    This blog sucks. You are horrible at this political stuff. Change the direction of the blog and let it mirror a man that knows it could all be over soon. One that admits that for most of his life he’s played it so safe that he feels the need to pretend he is a MSNBC talk show guest. Dungeons and Democrats. Fantasy.

  289. Not for nothing but if CF wants to risk getting challenged after taking a shot that most people can relate to what’s the f#$%ing beef?
    It may very well be that Fiorina has provided the highest order of service stimulating a news cycle to roll and have players on both sides show their true colors.

  290. The ones that say when I get pregnant either pay for my abortion or pay the costs of raising it. My choice is your obligation. Deal with it.

    Despite the trade of snark between us, you’ve stumbled upon something.

    When a government is compassionate, how many take unfair advantage of the compassion? I’d guess you’d say too many to make it worth the government’s while. As for me, I’m not sure.

    The world Bernie Sanders envisions appeals to me greatly. A society where everyone has a chance and bare living standards give everyone a foundation from which to prosper on their own.

  291. Yes Tigre…I need to quit the charade about caring for the infant by wanting the infant properly cared for.

    Ahhh you for free school lunch for impoverished kids? How about other programs?

    Giving birth is NOT caring for an infant. It’s giving birth. Period. What comes after is what matters. And you should spend as much time condemning the folks who bale after birth as you do condemning those who want to stop the birth.

  292. Thanks for the speech, and advice, Rabbit. Based on the dumb trach comment you clearly didn’t even get my point.

    When defining when one becomes human, you’re out of your depth. Most of us are.

  293. Not for nothing but if CF wants to risk getting challenged after taking a shot that most people can relate to what’s the f#$%ing beef?

    That is indeed her prerogative. I would’ve played it differently.

  294. There was no risk to CF. You are correct.

    Jesus can’t folks fucking read here. Alfie said she was willing to take the risk so why argue about the choice, especially since it got the issue into the public forum.

    He did not say there was no risk.

  295. What Carly said ties back to Ann Coulter’s comment. It’s preaching to the converted.

    This is what the primary is about. Who is the MOST anti-abortion, anti-immigration, pro-gun, pro-Israel person.

    The primary has not been good so far at truly differentiating candidates.

  296. “And you should spend as much time condemning the folks who bale after birth”

    Really? You want another one of Rabbit’s lectures about the lack of parenting and its relation to welfare and poverty? Becuase I do it all the time.

    Yeah…I’m for free lunch (although, its abused). And probably many other hand outs if we started a tally. A necessary evil for the destroyed liberal landscapes of America.

  297. You won’t and you can’t. Go take a long nap or a walk and come back when you’re in your right mind. Even if that takes another week. I won’t bother you with another email this time. You’re a big boy. I’ll leave you be.

    Don’t bother with the emails, toad. I’ve moved your ass to the ‘Feel the Bern’ spam folder when I received the last one.

    When I want to be amused, I can always observe the Star Wars Bar Scene by clicking on your Facebook page.

  298. Maybe Fiornia said it the way she said it in hopes that someone from the Democrat side would call her on it and inject themselves into the discussion.

  299. R – WTF is with all the personal stuff? Trachs and Star Wars bar scenes and other strikes to the groin … I thought Tex was taking a little time off to chill out, but hell, he’s angrier than he was when he went incommunicado. Is he OK? Tex, are you OK?

    Jesus, boys and girls – show a little appreciation; this little slice of heaven is entirely available for host-bashing only because the host hisownself takes the time to put it up. Maybe SEVERAL of us need to take a little breather.

  300. R – re: lesbian sex @ Brown. Sorry. That was a cheap shot on my part, but if lesbian sex turns you on, it’s all over the ‘tubes. Brown is ultra-liberal, and there is a very high percentage of bi girls (the holy grail for a young man) at Brown, and lotsa gay guys. Reviews online suggest that things have changed in modern US colleges; everybody is too busy for boyfriend-girlfriend stuff, and the friends-with-benefits or casual hookup is the order of the day. In this politically-correct day and time, many young men would rather just stay at home and watch porn instead of navigating the shark-infested waters of saying-the-wrong-thing to some angry bitch, so there is lots of lesbian sex. You should be in heaven there.

  301. R – re: Liberty “University” and Bernie Sanders. “Liberty” is a Christian jihadist training ground entirely built by tax-free compounding. They are intense and focussed; rumour is that they have a full-scale mockup of the US Supreme Court where their “law students” practise challenging Roe v. Wade. Fortunately, their graduates are academically very poor.

    One thing that can be said for Christians and right-wingers, though: the WILL listen to opposing views without shouting them down or trying to pass laws mandating politically-correct speech; something YOUR side of the aisle would do well to emulate.

    re: “soul” Best evidence is that no such thing exists; consciousness and self-awareness are consequences of billions of nerve cells connected in billions of different ways. Of course, an embryo consisting of a couple dozen cells is incapable of self-awareness, so the infusion of “soul” into the fetus is a gradual process, in the same way that multiple strokes or Alzheimer’s gradually take it away.

    Fiorina is right; pro-lifers and pro-choicers need to be willing to sit down and seek common ground. The first process is for the pro-lifers to take a biology class. Until they actually know what they are talking about, they will never abandon their very unproductive no-compromise position, and until they do that, the fight will NEVER end.

  302. This blog sucks. You are horrible at this political stuff. Change the direction of the blog and let it mirror a man that knows it could all be over soon.” – dead rabbit , September 19, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    Rutherford is too stupid and unteachable to matter to me anymore. I loathe the worthless, lying, foolish bastard and I wanted to return to his own blog to tell him that. “-Tex Taylor , September 19, 2015 at 8:20 am

    Rutherford, you are an absolute dumbfuck. I’m not doing this shit with you.” – El Tigre , September 19, 2015 at 12:16 am

    IS THAT AN EASIER QUESTION FOR YOU RUTHERFORD YOU VACUOUS VERMIN?”- muffy , September 18, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    FUCK YOU, RABBIT AND MUFFY” -Rutherford , September 19, 2015 at 12:21 am

    YAY!!!! but YOU forgot to add TEX AND ET

  303. ”R – WTF is with all the personal stuff?” –pfesser buttplug

    I don’t know. You tell me. In your case I’m thinking it’s because you need the attention, otherwise ordinarily Rutherford is the only moron that pays you any.

    If I ask you nicely will you stop taking it out on me that you’re married to a sweaty dimestore-dyed-red cow on whom you place the blame for your inability to get an erection? It’s not her, old man, it’s you. You think she might be a lesbian – I understand. That’s a common reaction when a woman you still want to fuck is always too tired and has to get up early but really she’s just waiting for you to die and leave her all that APPL money.

    Hope Bessie can hold on, she doesn’t have long to wait now. You’re one step from blowfies laying eggs in your mouth because even at home no one pays any attention to you and you’ll probably be dead for a week before they go looking for the source of the horrible smell emanating from the basement where you were last seen restuffing vintage capacitors, you busy guy.

  304. @Raji –
    You forgot “Hands up, don’t shoot.”

    ET calling Rutherford an absolute dumbfuck immediately followed Rutherford calling ET a FUCKING SLEAZE. Different, somehow? NAH.

    You’d have to back up a few more “fuckwads” and “ninny’s” to see who threw the first insult during that exchange, but as often as not around here it is Rutherford, especially in the case of ET and Tex. Tex doesn’t even have to be here for Rutherford to take a shot at him.

    As for me and “vacuous vermin” – try finding something that precedes “FUCK YOU MUFFY” where Rutherford isn’t playing with me. Otherwise your example is bullshit. Search the thread for “So good to see Muff in a playful mood today” and you’ll find the precedent for that “vacuous vermin” level of insult characteristic of Dr. Zachary Smith, case sensitive even.

    Truth is FUCK YOU MUFFY was his response to me pasting links over 2 comments that proved JAL lied about the very thing she was accusing someone else of doing. Other than that I asked him why he was so worried about what amounts to an infinitesimal number of people in this country who are both anti-abortion and anti-birth control and finally one tame remark that described a blown mind – my own.

    So YAY. Good one Rutherford. You really told me. You too Raji. Brilliant contribution.

    Rutherford will have to ask only once for me to leave. Unlike Dead Man Talking up there who doesn’t give a shit what Rutherford requests time and again for him to do or not do.

    One time is all.

  305. ” ‘Liberty’ is a Christian jihadist training ground entirely built by tax-free compounding.”

    Those PP videos represent you, Dr. Mengele. Funded in part by tax payers. You want to make us all party to that to spread your evil around just like that madman in the video that rabbit put up earlier. There’s not a lot of daylight between the two of you from a woman’s perspective. Leaving a 19 week old fetus to die of exposure in a stainless bowl on a table. That’s your jihad. Not Liberty U’s. You want to keep the blackfella population down to save YOUR tax money. Who the fuck are you to lecture anyone about what we must all pay for in a democracy. Yours is a DEMOCRAZY.

  306. R – WTF is with all the personal stuff?

    Par for the course but I am reviewing my Facebook privacy settings.

    That damn Facebook is a hazard. I love using it but they change their privacy setup as often as most change underwear.

  307. YAY!!!! but YOU forgot to add TEX AND ET

    LOL. Naaaah, read it again Raji. The comment was addressed to Tigre so it actually meant “Fuck you (Tigre), Rabbit and Muffy”. 😀

    Damn, Raji seeing those quotes lined up in a row like that kinda hurts a fella’s self esteem. Kinda the opposite of what you see as author endorsements at the beginning of a book.

  308. I don’t know. You tell me. In your case I’m thinking it’s because you need the attention, otherwise ordinarily Rutherford is the only moron that pays you any.

    Mmmm this is certainly not the first time you’ve responded to Parker. Does that make you a moron?

  309. “Does that make you a moron?”

    Everyone who responds to him is a moron for responding to him. He has to go pretty far to get me to respond, OTHERWISE ORDINARILY I don’t.

  310. Rutherford, those quotes lined up shouldn’t hurt your self esteem. I punked a liberal message board with the help of another message board and someone’s blog. When the denisons discovered what I had done, they filled 24 pages with invective in a day and a half.

    The fat ladies tried to vote me and incidently Pfessor and Craig off the site and another tried to expel all of the conservatives and moderates. The last one left after the contributers voted her off.

    Your list is not enough to damage your self esteem.

  311. If I ask you nicely …

    One of the best lead-ins ever to a post anything but “nice”.

    You can string words together quite well. Shame you waste it on stuff that is beneath you.

  312. Rutherford, you hint you might vote for Sanders. Bernie is a socialist. History shows us what that means.

    Tom Blumer wrote that Sanders is also an angry jerk who mis- treats his employees. What redeeming qualities does he have?

  313. “You can string words together quite well. Shame you waste it on stuff that is beneath you.”

    Well we sure can’t say the same for you two about either of those things.

    Be glad I’m still pulling my punches. I just backspaced over one for you that would have made your hemorrhoids feel like they had hemorrhoids.

  314. Well if that’s the case Muffy, the blog has a lot of morons in attendance. Parker’s contributions seldom get completely ignored and I’m not even referring to when I answer them.

    But on the topic of ignoring, it actually takes an amazing amount of will power. Back in the day, I decided rather than ban him, I’d just ignore Noah. I lasted probably about a month and then I just couldn’t resist responding.

    You’re another interesting case. You so pissed me off two weeks ago that I promised myself to put you on ignore. That lasted less than a week with my threatening a “thread full of profanities” just a few days later.

    Ignoring is one of the hardest things to do in this kind of forum.

  315. James I’ll have to google for Blumer’s article. Hell, I get so low sometimes I swear I won’t vote at all. Seems useless.

    Sanders, as I’ve said before is socialist lite. I think he wants to inject just enough socialism to better level the playing field.

    Right now I have only one bone to pick with Bernie. He says he wants to unite people but in the same breath he wants a class war. Those two don’t square. The rich are people too. We need to fix the system without demonizing those who profit from it.

    Trump is right in this. “I pay as few taxes as possible.” Don’t we all? You don’t give a kid candy and then get angry with him for eating it.

  316. Well we sure can’t say the same for you two about either of those things

    Actually, I know I’m a better than average writer so I don’t need your validation on that.

    Why don’t you tell us about your weekend routine? It can’t just be a coincidence that you’re so much more cranky on the weekends than during the week. I’ll take the glass half full approach and figure you really love your job and feel at loose ends on Saturday and Sunday. Am I close?

  317. “Well if that’s the case Muffy, the blog has a lot of morons in attendance. Parker’s contributions seldom get completely ignored and I’m not even referring to when I answer them.”

    No ordinarily just James and pewls.

    “Ignoring is one of the hardest things to do in this kind of forum.”

    Most of us do it frequently and with ease.

    But why promise yourself to be strong only to give in to temptation? You want me gone just say the word. If I had the power to make pharpton and pfools disappear I wouldn’t hesitate for a second.

  318. Sander’s wanting to unite people while hoping for a race war is as you wrote a major contradiction which must be resolved before an election.

    I hope no one leaves. Recruits aren’t flooding the market. If too many leave without replacements, you will be arguing with yourself.

  319. “Why don’t you tell us about your weekend routine? It can’t just be a coincidence that you’re so much more cranky on the weekends than during the week. I’ll take the glass half full approach and figure you really love your job and feel at loose ends on Saturday and Sunday. Am I close?”

    Nope and this is the last time, K? You need to pay attention. By the way, you attributed some remarks to me earlier in the thread which were not mine. Before you yelled at rabbit and Jesus about how folks can’t fucking read here.

    I do like my job but I don’t love it. It’s neither a coincidence nor the truth that I’m “so much more cranky on the weekends than during the week.” Your powers of observation aren’t any keener about my schedule or weekends mood than anything else. In fact no sooner did you make your self-satisfied hypothesis that you began to have to preface every unpleasant exchange with “it’s not even the weekend.” So there’s no correlation aside from what I already told you, and I don’t lie. The only correlation or dependence if you will is about the machine and not the day of the week. The only elaboration I’ll give and it’s a one time deal is that what I do occasionally involves a fair measure of waiting around. It can happen that way on any given day.

    Remember, that’s the last time.

    As for your writing are you referring to your grammar? How are you scoring yourself there?

  320. Both sets of grand parents, the parents, and the daughter son in law and grand daughter spent yesterday at one of Iowa’s largest county fairs near the Minnesota border.

    Our daughter had led her daughter up stairs when our grand daughter suddenly dropped because it was fun. She dislocated her elbow. She said “Ouweee. Call doctor.” She was fine when we saw her.

    Our grand daughter and I spent a lot of time together. She told me she saw many animals in the petting zoo and liked the kittens. I asked what color they were. Blue. She likes blue because she and I both have blue eyes. Were there any more kittens and what color were they? Black.

    Our daughter said there was only one black and white kitten. “She lies.” said our daughter.

    And to think she was almost aborted because doctors recommended it.

  321. On Meet the Press, Ben Carson said he would not want a Muslim President. Ok. But then he said he wouldn’t necessarily oppose a Muslim congressman. Huh? I’m very confused.

  322. You want me gone just say the word.

    This is one of your strangest comments. Even when I don’t agree with you, at least half the time your comments interest me. They’re well written and thought out. You piss me off when you become Tex Taylor. But I’ve not asked him to leave for almost 8 years. Why would I ask you? Of course unlike Tex, you would not adopt new ip addresses and aliases to get back on the board. 😀

    You can stop asking me to ask you to leave. You obviously enjoy the fellowship of some of the folks here so more power to you.

  323. James, just to be clear, I meant class war, not race war regarding Sanders.

    As for arguing with myself, I’ve been prepared for that for years now. I have to pinch myself that this band keeps coming back.

  324. As for your writing are you referring to your grammar? How are you scoring yourself there?

    Grammar and clarity of expressed idea. Not liking someone’s opinion doesn’t make them a bad writer.

    One caveat, I’m referring mostly to the essays I publish. In the comments section I sometimes say stupid incomprehensible shit … although even that shit is pretty grammatically correct. 😀

  325. James I read the Blumer article and it struck me as rather silly. Half the article is devoted to his facial expressions. The other half has (former) employees complaining he’s abusive.

    As I noted in the GOP debate, Carly’s face could have turned a man to stone half the time. No smile. She looked angry. Report that in the press and you look sexist.

    I’ll just say this. I’d rather put up with Bernie’s shit and pay my bills than have Carly tell me and 29,000 others to pack it in because she doesn’t know how to run a company.

  326. Damn, Raji seeing those quotes lined up in a row like that kinda hurts a fella’s self esteem”-R

    Nope, it reflects the “low self esteem” of the authors

  327. A couple of things with one specific follow up for Rutherford.
    1) Ahmed the clock maker is kind of an asshole.
    2. Trump easily defused the faux Muslim/racist card by answering a high school student. People want to snipe him out they better try a lot harder.

    for Rutherford. The black kid was initially stopped for walking in the street,not jaywalking as reported. He ponied up the attitude which led to contempt of cop. He touched the cops baton. The cop touched the kid with the baton. The natives were growing insanely restless. The police followed procedure and got back up. What was seen by many as black jaywalker meeting up with police brutality wasn’t anything of the sort. The video is more a documentary on how f#$%ed up our society is than anything else.

  328. 1) Ahmed the clock maker is kind of an asshole.

    LOL The more I hear about this, the more I agree with you.

    Thanks for the background on the video. There is zero doubt that respect must be mutual and the current climate is breeding disrespect for the police, a very bad turn of events which most likely will result in MORE blacks getting their asses kicked.

  329. And let’s build on that. More neighborhoods will be ostracized and or maligned which means more good people will be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

  330. I ignored the facial expressions, Rutherford. Yes, they were silly. I paid attention to stories of Bernie’s treatment of employees etc.

    If those stories are right, he is a jerk. I could vote for an abusive person if compelling reasons countermanded a nasty personality. However, personality would part of my voting decision.

    Sander’s ideology offers little hope of an economic resurgence. I mentioned the article so you will be suspicious if the press presents Sanders as a lovable irrascable grandfatherly type. He may be as lovable as the Clintons and Obamas are to their help.

    “doesn’t know how to run a company”

    That may well be true, but we won’t know unless we actually do some research. Do you know whether or not industry wide conditions contributed to the failure? Or is a cold blooded former executive now posing as a business success fully to blame for the losses?

    Do you know anything about Sander’s voting record and his past statements? Do his accomplishments match what he now says?

    I am sure you can’t answer questions and others any better than I can. So far, I am not interested enough to do the research.

    I am certain of this, Rutherford. You and I had better study if this couple appears likely to be part of the presidential election. The press won’t tell us. I expect you to expend as much energy as I do. You have the motivation after the past two elections.

  331. So…an officer in the Marines, sick with the fact boys are being raped, shoots off one unsecured email saying that an Afghan Chief of police is raping “tea boys”.

    He is being prosecuted becuase the observation of the boy fucker might be classified.

    Hillary Clinton proves that the laws of the land don’t apply to high ranking Dems.

    I loath her.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=1&referrer=

  332. “I’ll just say this. I’d rather put up with Bernie’s shit and pay my bills than have Carly tell me and 29,000 others to pack it in because she doesn’t know how to run a company.”

    She ran the company just fine. Her decisions bore fruit during her employment and even moreso immediately after her departure.

    Quit your crying over the fall of the bloated 90s computer tech industry and the jobs that went with it, for god’s sake. Jobs come and jobs go. That’s capitalism. In huge companies, they come and go in large numbers. You think Bernie is going to change that?

  333. Rutherford, would you rather companies maintain their oversized personnel numbers until the entire company just goes under?

    At what point do you think a company should do what it needs to do in order to survive?

  334. This is one superwoman!!

    Less than three weeks after getting shot in the back with a hollow point round, she is vibrant and stronger than ever. Why are we sending kids to fight wars when we could send the indestructible one?

    Watch out lurking jihadis. Your days are numbered. 😀

  335. I mentioned the article so you will be suspicious if the press presents Sanders as a lovable irrascable grandfatherly type.

    Valid motive and good for me to know, James. Thank you.

    I have no doubt Carly did not suck on her own. Of course biz conditions contributed to her demise.

  336. You’re welcome, Rutherford.

    I’m glad you realize Carly did not suck on her own. This thought is slightly at variance with your original statement about 29,000 people losing their jobs because Carly couldn’t run a company.

    You have just pulled a Carly. She told the truth, but she may have let a small detail leave her open to attack.

    Your first version may or may not have been the truth, but your second version exposes it to be just as incomplete as Carly’s statement was.

    Therefore, you have pulled a Carly. Ironic isn’t it?

  337. “This thought is slightly at variance with your original statement about 29,000 people losing their jobs because Carly couldn’t run a company”

    That was Rutherford’s dungeon and dragon’s fantasy internet arguing piece.

    He did really think about it much. It was a quick barb he saw on MSNBC and brought over here to troll it.

  338. So, two things Huck. First, I’m surprised because I thought you were pretty down on Fiorina’s track record.

    Secondly, by saying she ran it just fine you mischaracterized the article. It says her strategies resulted in temporary gains after her departure but they were short lived.

    I think the article is simply saying she wasn’t the total disaster she’s been portrayed as but she hardly “ran the company just fine”.

    I’m not gonna argue the merits of layoffs here because clearly I’m too close to the topic to see it clearly.

  339. Poolman did just capture your (and Rabbit’s) Queen with that Memri profile. – R

    How? He attacked the source. He showed nothing that disproved the text of the video. If that’s all he can do after capturing my Queen, then it doesn’t matter. I’ll defeat him with a king a rook and a pawn. 🙂

  340. LOL I didn’t see your second comment before I made the previous declaration.

    Let’s say this: I don’t think the average company uses ANY imagination when they resort to massive layoffs. Pay raise freezes, pay cuts, retraining into other parts of the company. That last one used to be a hallmark of IBM until they got lazy.

    For some companies, layoffs are not a one time solution. They become a way of life, the fastest go-to plan for making the books look better than they are. Delivering cheap “shareholder value” off the backs of out-of-work men and women.

    It wasn’t always this way. This is just another broken social contract as our society circles the drain.

  341. Oh, do dangle that carrot. 🙂 – Poolman

    I meant what I said. What is the true translation of the video? If this was not a true representation, you could only know that by knowing the true words. What are they please.

  342. Thor is right, Rutherford. The man in the video may have said what the interpretation claimed he said. But Memri IS a propaganda outlet. That IS what they do. Their video proposes that pawn is some kind of king. It’s like me translating this guy’s words to Muslims and claiming it represented our side.

  343. Obviously nobody here has a grasp on what propaganda really is. Maybe they can do a little google to see that it is legal for our news media and government to use propaganda against us. Not that it being illegal ever slowed them, but they tend to like their asses covered, even well after the fact.

  344. “First, I’m surprised because I thought you were pretty down on Fiorina’s track record.”

    She is running for president, so the only track record of hers I am down on is the one that speaks to her doing the job she is trying to get. And in that case, I don’t think she has the experience required.

  345. Therefore, you have pulled a Carly. Ironic isn’t it?

    LOL James I probably pull a Carly more often than I care to admit.

    Exaggeration is a tempting debating tool but it usually backfires.

  346. It was a quick barb he saw on MSNBC and brought over here to troll it.

    What I said about the 29,000 came from MY experience losing a six-fucking-figure job you paid-during-the-summer-for-not-doing-shit asshole.

  347. “Brian Whittaker has done a terrific piece of research journalism to explain how MEMRI pulled the wool over the eyes of the international media in its reporting about a Hamas TV show, in which Mickey Mouse allegedly encourages a young Palestinian girl to profess her readiness to become a suicide bomber. Even the AP, CNN, and progressive bloggers like Matt Yglesias (Jihad TV? C’mon Matt, you can do better than that) were suckered into reporting the story pretty much as MEMRI (or in Matt’s case, Palestinian Media Watch) gave it to them. The trouble is–the program transcript as reported by MEMRI was wrongly translated”

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2007/05/16/memris-fabricated-mickey-mouse-hamas-story-and-how-it-suckered-the-msm/

  348. “Obviously nobody here has a grasp on what propaganda really is.”

    I studied sociopolitical messaging, framing, and counter-framing as part of my master’s thesis, so….you’re wrong.

  349. How? He attacked the source

    Only to the degree that you trusted Rabbit not to post propaganda. If Pool’s vid is to be believed, Memri peddles in propaganda. Remember propaganda is not necessarily false, it’s just one-sided.

    The reason I asked you about your trust of English subtitles, is that every time I see one of these vids I think of the Hitler parodies. I don’t speak Arabic and I can’t help but wonder if the translations take advantage of nuance in the Arabic language. I’m not going to say the subtitles are lies but damn do I feel uneasy taking them at face value.

  350. Huck, does that institutional influence help you recognize we’re living in a whirled of it, or did it just help you define it?

  351. Huck, seriously based on your studies, any reason to refute Pool’s assertion about Memri?

    The video that set Thor off rightfully inspires ire against the asshole in the video. The issue of propaganda comes in when we extrapolate from that video to draw wider conclusions.

  352. The issue of propaganda comes in when we extrapolate from that video to draw wider conclusions. – R

    Which is exactly what POOLMAN is doing. Rabbit posted the video without any commentary. My commentary was directed toward the man condoning unwarranted violence in the video, not all Muslims. Nothing in he video says this is the view of all Muslims. However, that did not stop Poolman from trying to to equate it to the this … ” It’s like me translating this guy’s words to Muslims and claiming it represented our side.” He is the one extrapolating to a wider point. In your own words, this makes HIM the propagandist.

  353. “Huck, seriously based on your studies, any reason to refute Pool’s assertion about Memri?”

    I’m not refuting it or supporting it. I don’t know anything about the group. I do know that I wouldn’t use their videos as evidence for anything in my own research. But that is mainly because I have access to enough Arabic speakers (many of whom are non-Arab) that I wouldn’t have to rely on MEMRI’s translations. I was just stating that he was wrong in his assertion that “nobody here has a grasp on what propaganda really is.”

    Poolman, it wasn’t an institutional influence. I didn’t say I took classes in it, I said I studied it. Believe it or not, I do have the ability to read a wide variety of sources and draw my own conclusions from them. And yeah, I recognize we are surrounded by it every day. I’ve never said otherwise. I’m not a Chomsky fan by any stretch, but his Manufacturing Consent has a lot that is tough to argue against.

  354. “She is running for president, so the only track record of hers I am down on is the one that speaks to her doing the job she is trying to get. And in that case, I don’t think she has the experience required.”

    Yes. Very worrisome. Yet she exudes confidence that she can get the job done. In some ways, that’s even more worrisome.

    The dream ticket is Kasich/Rubio, methinks. Or Kasich/Fiorina. Kasich has boatloads of experience in both public and private sector work, and lots of it, and a real track record of real success, none of which is questioned by anybody – unlike Trump or Fiorina. He also refuses to bash anybody across the aisle in a personal way, drawing on his experience that, if elected, he will have to work with those people. Unfortunately, he lacks Trump’s reality-TV appeal to the unwashed masses, and equally unfortunately lacks Fiorina’s gimmick – a puss.

  355. Parker, mark my words. If HRC gets the dem nom, Fiorina will be the VP candidate if she can’t win the primary.

    The GOP MUST answer the appeal of the first woman POTUS. That is why Palin was chosen … match historic candidate with historic candidate.

    As much as i dislike Joe Lieberman, that would have been a better choice for McCain. He was McCain’s first choice but he was talked out of it.

  356. I am going to be looking at Gary Johnson, who will likely get the Libertarian Party nomination. He’s not my perfect candidate, but in reading the above link there’s a lot there I agree with.

    I will not support any (R) or (D) this time. I mean that with every fiber of my being.

  357. God, R – don’t get Clytie Mae riled up, “K?” The next time you do it, she’s going to REALLY threaten to leave this time, or stamp her foot, or something. Reminds me of the last scene in MAS*H. (If you don’t turn them over to the MPs right now, I’m going to resign my commission! Goddammit, Hot Lips, resign your goddamned commission! ((My commission! My commission!))))

    OK, Hot Lips, resign; just don’t bore us to death.

    R – Do you ever wonder if her bouts of anger and depression have anything to do with the shorter days? What do they call that – SADS?

  358. Kasich/Rubio, huh? Damn, Rutherford – you never fail to surprise. I can usually predict everybody else’s response right down to the syllable, but never yours. I guess that’s a good thing.

    You and Huck are up late – shouldn’t you be getting your beauty rest?

    (Huck – re: Libertarians. I think the Libertarians are the future for US – if the Social Democrats don’t destroy your country, like they have Europe, and are trying to do in AU.)

  359. “You and Huck are up late – shouldn’t you be getting your beauty rest?”

    I start back to work Friday after a(n unpaid) summer break that lasted far too long for my tastes.

  360. Huck – I read somewhere that after the customary 3-month summer break, it requires 6 weeks for US students to catch up to where they were at the end of the previous term, meaning a net loss of 18 wks instructional time, if you believe those numbers. What are your thoughts about year-round school?

  361. We all pull a Carly sometimes.

    I don’t think we need year around school. Children need some autonomous, unorganized time to thrive and be creative. Even year around school as tried in Iowa gives students free time. It is just staggered to keep the school building operating.

    Year around school also hurts the tourism and other industries.

    One product of school with summer vacation is Lotta.

    I posted a couple of videos by Lotta whom I have met. She was a foreign exchange high school student in Alabama, and she repeated her last year of high school when she returned to Finland. Her school didn’t think she had learned enough in the United States. Other nations do the same.

    Lotta said she had to study to get A’s and B’s at home, but the same grades here came easy.

    Finish teachers were more respected than in the US, and regarded as professionals. They were more informal than American teachers. Her Finish school had few extracaricular activities compared to the school she attended in Alabama.

    One applied to a high school as in college. Individual schools specialized in the arts, sports, languages etc. One could also attend an English language high school.

    Seniors get a month or so off to study everything they have taken in high school and take a national test. Security is tough. They can’t even go to the bathroom without a teacher present.

    Lotta complained that because she lives in the Finish Sami (Lapland) capital of her country, educational opportunities and schools are inferior to those in the South. Some students board in Helsinki.

    She is now in college. Lotta can speak five languages and she can speak “American” with a Midwest and with a Southern accent.

    On the other hand, Lotta had to skype her mother and speak for 20 minutes so her mother could tell her how to turn on and use her apartment washing machine.

  362. “The occupying regime” has offered to take an unknown number of refugees. They have given an estimate, but it will be wrong because they lie.

    It won’t happen, but I think they should be settled primarily in blue states, because blue states by voting for the Democrats helped create this migratory disaster.

  363. “1) Ahmed the clock maker is kind of an asshole. “

    Oh I don’t refute that statement at all. You could see “attitude” in the pictures. Regardless, I have a problem with the “new” rules that children are taken away by the police in handcuffs and are finger printed for most infractions of the rules. Issues such as this should be handled within the school system. The Engineering teacher knew it wasn’t a bomb but should have informed the principal and removed the clock from the premises. I retract my statement “Good overcomes Evil” as I’m beginning to suspect the “Evil” in this scenario was planned but regardless the kid will now be rich and famous!

  364. “I don’t think we need year around school. Children need some autonomous, unorganized time to thrive and be creative”- James

    At one time I would have agreed with you but today’s children are so wired into electronics the only break they get is in school. There are no Tom Sawyer and Huck times anymore.

  365. It depends on where you live Ragi.

    Our rural culture still needs children and teenagers to help with farming at busy times. Many teenagers display their vegetables and live stock at county fairs. Our nearest neighbor lives two miles away, so one can play without seeing another human being, Teenagers here still have time to hunt and fish.

    Our daughter and son-in law live a quarter mile from a park in Omaha. Pre- teenagers and teenagers walk or ride their bicycles there to hang out or use the playground. It isn’t Tom Sawyer or Huck Finn, but it is still good.

    Research linked to the Drudge Report showed that children exposed to sunlight have a slightly lower risk of near sightedness. Another study showed that toddlers and older children who have some free time have a lower risk of depression and other problems as they age than others do.

    Yes, they do have an over dose of electronics. Our grand daughter is only two, and she can operate almost anything. We got a tablet and are hiding it from her. The first thing she said when she saw her other grand mother was “tablet.”

  366. @ Rutherford fwiw I am rooting for you regards your job hunting and larger picture financial standing. I am sincere in that. On a far less serious side I also hope you line up prospects because lately you’ve been extrapolating too much,or at least using the word too much.
    MEMRI is an agenda entity at best but as seems to be the consensus here we are inundated daily by agenda entities and shame on those who are too ignorant to know this to be true and shame on those who live to pimp others ignorance to stoke whatever sordid joys it is they get (pool man)
    Back to MEMRI though. They do indeed have a history of some questionable translations. In fact the infamous mouse show has a couple as reported by folks like the Guardian and others. The flaws are focused on the girls responses. Folks like the Guardian completely ignore that the mouse,who is on that show all the time,his quotes are undisputed. How fucked up is that? “See MEMRI is a Mossad front that lied about what the little girl said” and they have no rage for the mouse that roars vile shit.

  367. Year round school is a mistake in my opinion but I have long said that the American Public Education System needs to get out of the 19th & early 20th century model it is stuck in. It also needs to dump all of its PC devotion. If you’re a gifted child and are in a public school you shouldn’t be held down by moron peers. If you’re a moron there should be very open programs to isolate the issues and work them out.
    Mimicking others isn’t the solution though.

  368. @ Raji the zero tolerance policies and the the policies put in place to limit litigation in the APES needs to be reviewed for sure. Suspending girls who give a classmate a much needed Midol or cuffing 5th graders who get into a fight is evidence that the grown ups and common sense folks have surrendered. That is indeed unacceptable.

  369. If you got decent parents and above the poverty line, summer vacation is great for kids.

    We went rock bunting, fishing, museums, saw nature, played sports.

    It’s these broken homes where the summer damage takes place.

    Another thing that seems to be a good thing is the “fresh start” of a clearly defined summer break. I’ve seen kids turn it around becuase of the perception of a new year.

    That being said, the dead broke families and the disfunctional ones….summer seems to be a bad thing.

  370. Economics and environment is a big driver of things for sure but….
    Do those kids benefit from school in summer? Also on a not unrelated note. Sadly remedial education is a reality,if you have regular scheduled school over the summer what do you do with the kids who for whatever reason fucked up in one subject and could greatly benefit from traditional US “summer school”.
    And along the lines of breaking away from the early era of APES could summer sessions be made available on a choice basis. Be it extra,remedial or cram curriculum.

  371. “What are your thoughts about year-round school?”

    I’m at a university, so the students have the opportunity to have summer classes if they want. At my school there are 2 summer sessions and then a couple weeks at the end with no classes at all. Unfortunately, they only run my class in 1 of those summer sessions.

  372. Huck I thought you were considering Webb? Maybe I’m confusing you with Alfie.

    Parker the only thing that bothers me about Kasich are the constant references to God. But his religious fervor is far less irritating than a Mike Huckabee. I could see past it.

  373. The little shit gets an invitation to the WH. Obama can’t help but full a controversy. The little Muslim hero that has shown a light on all of that Islamaphobia his activist family has supposedly encountered.

    And it is all total bullshit.

    YAY Obama!!!!!

  374. Above comment about the Muslim kid building the pretend look-alike bomb. This one is no better than the kid that was supposedly swept away on the balloon shaped like a flying saucer his dad had built. A deliberate hoax and Obama and the left go for it.

  375. Thank God for sound insights from engaged parents. It won’t be long before your voices are drowned out by the growing demographic of pfat grannies and boomer-geezers hellbent on robin-hooding your kids of their present day joys and opportunities The boomer-geezers have already stolen the kiddies’ futures.

    In the interests of balance I submit that that rabbit hates kids and rabbit hates the poor but there’s nothing rabbit hates more than poor kids.

  376. Which is exactly what POOLMAN is doing. Rabbit posted the video without any commentary. My commentary was directed toward the man condoning unwarranted violence in the video, not all Muslims. Nothing in he video says this is the view of all Muslims. However, that did not stop Poolman from trying to to equate it to the this … ” It’s like me translating this guy’s words to Muslims and claiming it represented our side.” He is the one extrapolating to a wider point. In your own words, this makes HIM the propagandist.

    Let’s review how propaganda works, shall we?

    1.) A video is posted by dr showing a man speaking probably Arabic with his words translated in English subtitiles. Your reaction after viewing it:

    But then I’m torn with guilt when I hear things like Rabbit’s video. How can we condemn these people to live under masogonistic, psychopathic leaders like this dickhead.” – thor

    2.) A barfly questions your reaction.

    I thought you and Rutherford had determined that “change comes from within.” – the Thurmster

    3.) You extrapolate, using collective and plural terms as follows:

    It’s the arrogance, the fucking arrogance. As if God, in any form, would condone these actions. Butchers. Arrogant butchers. Trample us underfoot? Take it out of your mouth first, you living-in-the-fifth-century bitch. This shit takes me right back to September 12th 2001 and I hate that. I want to get beyond that and be reasonable but when I hear shit like that it just …errr fuck. – thor

    4.) This bit of propaganda has fulfilled its purpose whether the translation is real or distorted. Your emotions manifest and cloud any reason. You have associated this one man and his supposed words with everything Islamophobic in your mind.

    5.) Then came an appeal to logic from the bartender:

    Thor, I don’t want to sound like Poolman or an apologist but do you always trust the subtitles on Arabic vids? – Rutherford

    6.) Followed by your justification for the emotional ride being based on a trust. What he said:

    No, but I do trust Rabbit and his vigilance against propaganda. – thor

    7.) A very broad statement, but based on what? Rabbit eats and breathes propaganda. Hell, he’s a state certified and sponsored indoctrinator. His brain has been washed on a daily basis since youth.

    Then came my interjection with a link and the challenge.

    Oh, do dangle that carrot. – moi

    8.) The link provided proof Memri is a propaganda source. Yet you’d rather accuse me of being the propagandist. Why? Because I provide an imaginary scenario in which Terry Jones is translated with Arabic subtitles and provided to a Muslim audience.

    So, in conclusion, my choice of analogy makes me a propagandist. 😆

  377. Yeah. Fuck poor kids!

    And as everyone here knows, fuck the handicap too!

    I’ve been outed by our blog host for being conservative and against big government. Those things are the same.

  378. To Rutherford’s 180 on Rubio – go back before it’s too late. Biden’s your man. 72 years in government. Or in government since ’72 or something.

    “Well, first, let me say I think God has blessed us. He has blessed the Republican Party with some very good candidates. … And I believe God has blessed our country. This country has been extraordinarily blessed. And we have honored that blessing. And that’s why God has continued to bless us.” -Rubio in the first debate

    Even I cringed and I adore Marky Mark.

    “Well, Jack, look, we’re all — we — I’ve received blessings. Most of us here have been very, very blessed, and when you get that way, you have to figure out what your purpose is in life to make the world a little better place.” -Kasich in NH recently

    A good example of what’s missing from Kasich’s repertoire. Look up from the impressive curriculum vitae and he’s less compelling.

  379. “And along the lines of breaking away from the early era of APES could summer sessions be made available on a choice basis. Be it extra,remedial or cram curriculum.”

    Yes. Excellent idea.

  380. “Huck I thought you were considering Webb?”

    That’s for the primary, and mainly to try and keep Hillary out. Seeing as I haven’t heard his name mentioned since the day he announced, I don’t see much happening there.

    Yeah the clock thing stinks and Obama is an idiot. On the plus side, this one won’t end up in a beer summit.

  381. Rutherford’s a Castro, Che man. Mao, Stalin and Lenin too. The more ungodly and despot like, the better the toad likes them. He rails about the tyranny of Corporate America, never realizing his ruling elite is the plutocracy of America – and many of them are former Jews like Soros.

    Unless it’s a little whitey hatin’ black liberation theology like Rev. J. No mention of a ‘god’ but a lot anti-American screed. Sells with the monkeys who buy Rev. J million dollar homes in white suburbia with their welfare checks, “Father” Pledger dancing a little jib on stage of self-loathing. Perhaps Rutherford donated a little, but probably not. I get the impression Rutherford is a cheap MoFO. LOL. You can’t make this shit up.

    I find it damn humorous the little Jew hater is now relegated to Feelin the Bern for support. Almost poetic justice.

    Throw in John Lennon making fun of the disabled on video, it’s a real Vietnamese CF in Rutherford’s world.

    Did you catch Utopia, Rutherford? 🙂

  382. YAY Putin!!!!!

    Rutherford’s sad face emoji over Obama being depants-ed again will be turned upside down when he sees that Bibi no like either.

  383. A good example of what’s missing from Kasich’s repertoire. Look up from the impressive curriculum vitae and he’s less compelling.

    Not entirely sure where you were going with that. The Rubio quote is a good one — remember I gave a thumbs up for him in the VP slot. We’ve been down this road before but I can’t fathom how a party that bitched and moaned about inexperienced Obama could put forward Rubio as a candidate. Hell, you look at the guy and want to ask “does your mother know you’re not in school right now?”

    In this new era where authenticity matters, Kasich strikes me as authentic. To borrow the title of that popular book, Kasich appears to be living a purpose-driven life, inspired by what he believes good Christians should do. I can’t fault him for that.

    In fact, I think what distinguishes him from Huckabee is Christianity rules Kasich’s life while Huckabee wants Christianity to rule everyone’s life.

    And he’s got one helluva curriculum vitae! (Balanced the budget, worked in the private sector — including at Fox news no less — executive and legislative experience. And he’s a happy warrior — always a plus in my book.)

  384. Above comment about the Muslim kid building the pretend look-alike bomb. This one is no better than the kid that was supposedly swept away on the balloon shaped like a flying saucer his dad had built. A deliberate hoax and Obama and the left go for it.

    The best part of this one is Richard Dawkins, the insufferable militant atheist, got called onto the carpet by the neo-progessives for stating the whole alarm clock thing was a set up and hoax. Now the Progs don’t know which way to turn to blame. 🙂

  385. Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try…

    Not for you John and certainly not anymore…sssssssss…

    YAY!!!!! Dead atheists mimicking people with disabilities!!!!!

  386. Poolman, thanks for the review, but I read it all the first time. Again, I reacted to the man’s words. You have shown no evidence that they are not his words. I did not lump in all Muslims. I have no reason (other than prejudice of the source) to believe the makers of the video meant that either. I have no reason to believe Rabbit was trying to say all Muslims feel this way. Perhaps I give him too much credit, but if we go to the credibility scale between you and him, it’s not even close. (See “personal encounter with gov’t operated insect drone”).

    You yourself admitted that they probably are his words. But instead of joining my outrage, you continue to insinuate that these are the machinations of Israeli spies and that I am foolish for believing them. I ask you for evidence that these words are anything other than what they are, dangerous philosophies from a dangerous man, meant to inspire the very acts he foretells. You have offered nothing in that regard. You are the propagandist.

  387. And Thor steps into the fly trap.

    Look, Poolman don’t need no stinkin’ evidence. The onus is on everyone else to disprove his delusion to his satisfaction. To the intellectually feeble, the starting and ending point will therefore remain unchanged no matter what you bring.

    Don’t be a sucka. Poolman has a personality disorder. He has never proved anything he’s been called out on. Not once. It bothers him not because the very motivation is not rational.

    Now prove his wife was NOT being filmed by a robotic fly in the garden smart guy!

  388. @Thor – Only if there is a hell. 😉

    Now stop trying to trap me with those tricky questions.

    PS…nice rant before. The promises got your goat, did they? I’m listening to something right now between Anjem Choudary and Dr Jasser that’s kind of unsettling in a similar manner. I’ll let you know if it’s any good.

  389. “The world Bernie Sanders envisions appeals to me greatly. A society where everyone has a chance and bare living standards give everyone a foundation from which to prosper on their own.” -R

    Oh it is a wonderful world indeed.

    Reality:

    “In all, he backs at least $18 trillion in new spending over a decade, according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal, a sum that alarms conservatives and gives even many Democrats pause. Mr. Sanders sees the money as going to essential government services at a time of increasing strain on the middle class.

    His agenda includes an estimated $15 trillion for a government-run health-care program that covers every American, plus large sums to rebuild roads and bridges, expand Social Security and make tuition free at public colleges.

    To pay for it, Mr. Sanders, a Vermont independent running for the Democratic nomination, has so far detailed tax increases that could bring in as much as $6.5 trillion over 10 years, according to his staff.”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511

  390. You yourself admitted that they probably are his words.

    I do not know if the translation is accurate. Saying it ‘may’ have been what he said isn’t the same as I admit they are probably his words.

    But instead of joining my outrage, you continue to insinuate that these are the machinations of Israeli spies and that I am foolish for believing them.

    I refuse to join in your outrage. That is the intent of that propaganda.

    You travel off the rails with the attack about Israeli spies and the foolishness of believing they exist. The site was established by an Israeli colonel and a simple review of the associations will reveal a zionist neocon bias.

    But on that thought, it’s not fantastic to believe there are methods in what people do and why they do them. Powerful people have means and methods. Crazy thinking, right? ? ?

    I ask you for evidence that these words are anything other than what they are, dangerous philosophies from a dangerous man, meant to inspire the very acts he foretells. You have offered nothing in that regard. You are the propagandist.

    I don’t care to research whether the interpretation is accurate. I did not take that challenge. It wasn’t my point.

    Here’s how propaganda works:

    You reiterate the man’s interpreted rant you decide a dangerous call to inspire radical acts and not just the video ravings of a madman possible pulled out of context. Conveniently, your government and its media has already primed you by feeding you the identical rant before and told you who you should fear so as to keep you supporting and backing their aggressive wars against these ideological enemies, who happen to be the same enemies of Israel and therefore all of us by association. Never mind statistics or fact. Your outrage is what we need…

    Meanwhile, they continue to spend America’s children’s future away with a growing war machine of mostly subcontractors that continually upgrade their expensive and cumbersome measures of self security. The data collecting advances in means and methodologies rob us of any privacy while churning out information and imagery to be used in their machinations of fear. Why?. Because fear controls your mind.

    Don’t mind that fly on the wallpaper.

  391. “I don’t care to research whether the interpretation is accurate. I did not take that challenge. It wasn’t my point.”

    Hahahahahahahahahahahah.

    Thor, run while you have the chance. You’re gonna have to cross your t’s and dot your i’s if your going to win a debate with Poolman. 😆

  392. So Rabbit posts an article about military whistle blowers being sanctioned for reporting islamo-pedophilia going on in their midst.

    Two things: kudos to the whistle blowers.

    And you wanna bet what is likely an added disincentive for blowing the whistle? A handful of our own men are joining in on the “fun”. Rat out the Afghans and you have to rat out your own. I have zero proof of this but Abu Graib tells us all we need to know about debased behavior under the wrong circumstances.

  393. @Tigre at 2:13pm – like a whole week’s worth of irony there.

    PS…I still laugh when I think of the pic that drone took. You know the one I mean.

  394. re: clock “bomb.” The really sad thing is that the school didn’t have ONE adult with enough science background who could look at the primitive electronics and say, “Shit. This is a fucking clock. Not one thing here that could even remotely be an explosive. Go back to your classroom, little girl, teach these punks some grammar or something, and stop causing trouble….”

    Tex – You sorry fucker. Good to see you back.

  395. “Needless to say, Sanders disputes the WSJ piece saying, among other things, that they don’t take into account current spending.”

    If that’s his only response, enjoy your skittles.

  396. Pfesser, you’re a ham radio enthusiast that likes to rebuild electronics as I recall. As one of the commentors said, just replace the audio device that made the “beep” in the second class with a blasting cap,and presto you have invented a detonator, right?

    As one of the other commentors said, “thank God it wan’t a confederate flag.”

    The kid got the reaction he was aiming for. His own words betray him.

  397. re: year-round school. Much of the world is doing it. With the benefit of not having to do the 6-weeks-to-catch-up thing and the extra 3 months of instruction, the pupils in other countries have many more holidays than Americans and still get more instructional time. It also gets the teachers paid year-round. What’s not to like?

    The 3-month vacation was invented to deal with an agrarian society where most were farmers and needed kids to help with crops (not true any more) and the fact that hardly any schools had air conditioning (also not true now).

    Rutherford re: Kasich. You nailed it. A lot of personal faith doesn’t bother me if that person makes rational decisions and uses his faith to help him to see the moral way forward. When it is used to coerce others, not so good.

  398. ET – blasting caps look like this:

    There is not a single electronic component that looks like that. None.

    A cap might blind someone or take off some fingers, but the damage would be otherwise minimal. You need an explosive for it to detonate to do any real damage.

  399. Point missed. Could’ve completed the device pretty easily had he wanted it to go boom, right?

    It sure as fuck wasn’t coincidence that he put it in that case and said he “tucked in the wires to be sure it didn’t look suspicious.”

  400. Re: clock boy…I think the school did what it should have done. It’s not a school’s job to determine what is and isn’t a bomb.

    I think the police probably over-reacted with an actual arrest and handcuffs.

    And, as usual, Obama should have STFU.

  401. I asked R earlier if a white Anglo carried a fake bomb like this into Columbine HS whether he’d have received the same treatment. I know I’m going out on a limb here, but I think the answer would be “no.” It would’ve been a lot worse — even if every teacher in the school was an electronics and explosives expert.

  402. The thing is blown out or pers five because folks want to play the race and muslim pc shit. We suspend kids for pointing fingers,toy guns and a idol. Ahmed knew.

  403. “I think the police probably over-reacted with an actual arrest and handcuffs.”

    It does seem he committed a crime (or at least there was probable cause that he did), and there is also protocol for taking one into custody. I could be wrong but I think there’s a better chance that the arrest and handcuffs were not unwarranted, even if there were doubts about whether he had done something wrong.

  404. “I can’t get over the image of ET sitting in a leather chair sporting his “Fuck poor kids” tee.”

    I’ll add it to my collection. The one with the handicapped wheelchair symbol in a circle with a line though sets the tone in my office too. 😆

  405. re: “mostly a bomb already.”

    I didn’t look at the electronics picture very carefully, but I didn’t see any timer mechanism.

    Now that I look at it carefully, it’s clear that he didn’t invent SHIT. It looks, frankly, like he just took a commercial clock apart and put the guts in a briefcase. It has a dual power supply: a 120Volt transformer AND a 9V battery. Commercial clocks have that, with the 9V as a backup; people who invent things run them off batteries, not AC (safety), and certainly not both.

    It has ribbon cable, like you would see in a computer. Makers/inventors don’t do that; they run individual wires. The circuit boards are obviously manufactured, not made by some “inventor” – they are commercial boards for a bedside alarm clock or summat.

    Shit. I think the whole thing is a fake, and the question is, why would he fake such an “invention?” The obvious answer is to cause exactly what he caused: a bogus reason to get the Left into an uproar. Didn’t Tex say Dawkins suggested that?

    I think the whole thing is a put-up deal, and the permanently-offended Left did exactly what he (or his stinkbeard father) thought they would do. Fuck them all. And fuck the Grand Muslim, too, who won’t stop fanning the flames of racial hatred.

  406. Jesus fuckin’ Christ, Pfesser. That’s what the whole article I linked to set out out in complete detail. It even showed the very radio shack clock he pieced back together.

    The whole thing was set up. And Obama does what he always does. Imagine all of the children of slain officers weren’t even invited to the WH. Can’t exploit that one for personal gain.

  407. p.s. similar to the guy that showed up at the Trump event with his MSNBC-grade comment about Mooooslums. Real fucking coincidence.

  408. Jesus fuckme Christ. I don’t generally click on the blog links, but that guy lays it all out, doesn’t he? I wondered if anybody would figure out WHICH clock it was. A bloody old Micronta Radio-Shack boat anchor.

    That pretty much exposes the whole deal, doesn’t it? Remember the fucker who faked George Bush’s military get-out-of-jail-free letter? Then somebody figured out that font wasn’t invented until after Bush served. Woopsie!

    They don’t even have the decency to hang themselves. They just slink off and justify their lies somehow.

    It’s no wonder Tex goes a little bananas occasionally. Hell, maybe he’s the only sane one here.

  409. The dumb fuck President invited him for a rootbeer summit!

    What a fucking joke. President Obama knighting an asshole kid who faked he had a bomb. The moron President always jumps in the petty racial story of the week and always gets it wrong.

    Ahhh…liberals. So desperate for their narrative…and always being played like fools.

  410. “Remember the fucker who faked George Bush’s military get-out-of-jail-free letter?”

    Ah yes, the fabricated Killian memos. The subject of just released Redford movie based on Mapes’ bullshit book, ironically called “Truth.”

  411. I haven’t scrolled the comments yet, garuntee Rutherford is finger wagging over bomb boy.

    The minute I heard the story I was pretty sure something wasn’t adding up.

    I don’t have time to scroll….come on Rutherford… Feds up. You got played again.

  412. I don’t care to research whether the interpretation is accurate. – Poolman

    Holy fuck! Are you seven?

    To the intellectually feeble, the starting and ending point will therefore remain unchanged no matter what you bring. – ET

    Intellectually, I understand this, but there is a visceral component as well. I recognized it in my own reaction and then Poolman threw gas on the fire when he called me out. As someone said earlier, some things are hard to ignore. My only consolation is that when the goat fucker comes for me he’ll also be coming for Poolman. I hope I live long enough to hear his last words as they are preparing the baloney slicer. “It’s okay guys. I know you’re just Mossad plants. You can stop the charade now. We’re all friends he…” Slice! Of course, that probably won’t stop the bs, its so engrained. His head will keep spewing his “secret gatekeeper’s” insights from the slaughterhouse floor, just like that robot in Alien.

    And yes, I have gone off the deep end. It’s a plunge most of us have made here at one time or another.

  413. “p.s. similar to the guy that showed up at the Trump event with his MSNBC-grade comment about Mooooslums. Real fucking coincidence.”

    The guy disappeared man. No one’s been able to interview him. Where is Hoax Busters when you need him?

    The clock too? Oh TEH Noes.

    Who you gonna’ call?

  414. “And you wanna bet what is likely an added disincentive for blowing the whistle? A handful of our own men are joining in on the “fun”.

    Fuck you. I don’t blame you for wondering if a Marine or two are pedophiles. But if you think other Marines would let that slide you are dead wrong. Dead fucking wrong. You deserve to have your nose splattered over that slander.

    They are getting orders to ignore this sick shit from high command. Blame your President.

    The point is one unsecured email about a boy being raped has ruined a career officer’s career.

  415. “His head will keep spewing his “secret gatekeeper’s” insights from the slaughterhouse floor, just like that robot in Alien.”

    I try to ignore all things poolman related, but that made me laugh.

  416. Muffy, I wasn’t trying to trap you. I only asked because I do, from time to time, come across radical advocates that come just shy of expressing this very sentiment. I’m glad you don’t share that view. I would prefer such actions be met with education, not punishment, because when they present, they usually indicate ignorance, not animus.

  417. OK I’m using a timestamp because I’m going to piss Rutherford off one way or another with this. So don’t look, R, but I held back my reply, I should at least get to cheerlead.

    @dead rabbit , September 21, 2015 at 4:52 pm –

    YAY!!!! Right fucking on!

    Thank you.

  418. “Why oh why did the engineering teacher not step up to the plate ?!?”

    “You’re asking the wrong bunch. These folks figure the kid probably trains at a secret jihadists camp.”-R

    He never fails! Lol

  419. By 2017, the number would be 100,000, Kerry says. – Muffy

    The refugee level is set by the executive. The level in 2017 should be determined by the winner in 2016. The “plant” should have asked Trump what his level will be. He probably has no idea this will be one of his functions. Donald Dick’s Achilles’ heel is a pertinent follow up question. I would have asked him one about the so-called vaccination/autism connection. You can only tell voters, “We’re looking into it” so long before they start asking, “So what did you find, what conclusions do you draw from this and what actions will you take as President because of this?”

    James, I’m counting on you and your salt-of-the-earth Iowan neighbors to apply the pressure.

  420. MSNBC-grade comment about Mooooslums. Real fucking coincidence.

    So, are you saying all town halls are bogus? What great instinct do you have that enables you to spot “the plants”?

  421. I haven’t scrolled the comments yet, garuntee Rutherford is finger wagging over bomb boy.

    LOL Muffy rightly accuses me of bashing Tex even when he’s not here. You bash me without doing your homework.

    If you scroll up you’ll see me agreeing with Alfie the kid was an asshole. And that was without the benefit of knowing the kid just reassembled a clock.

    And yes, Obama the PC Prez did indeed step in it again and the MSM will never correct its story of the abused Muslim kid.

    Scroll up further and you’ll see me burn your ass for fucking with me on corporate behavior. I wondered why you didn’t respond to it. Never saw it.

  422. as they are preparing the baloney slicer. “It’s okay guys. I know you’re just Mossad plants. You can stop the charade now. We’re all friends he…” Slice!

    If I had been drinking, that line would have caused a spit-take. Hilarious. 😂😂😂

  423. The point is one unsecured email about a boy being raped has ruined a career officer’s career.

    I fully agree that is the point. But unlike you, I think all these folks are doing their job in unspeakably dark places that can twist a man’s soul.

    Let me ask you, if one of ours is involved, does that make it easier or harder to get at the problem? You hate Obama. You don’t think he’d try to avoid that kind of scandal?

  424. OK I’m using a timestamp because I’m going to piss Rutherford off one way or another with this.

    I can’t see time stamps in my crappy app but I’m assuming you’re cheering on having my nose splattered. Hey no biggie. You have a right to your opinion. I knew my comment wouldn’t be popular and it’s hardly a hill I’m willing to die on. Just occurred to me … probably didn’t need to be shared.

  425. “You’re asking the wrong bunch. These folks figure the kid probably trains at a secret jihadists camp.”-R
    He never fails! Lol

    Scroll down further. Unlike some here, I’m capable of learning and changing my mind.

    By the way, that comment you quoted was more about YOU than the kid. 😉

  426. Thor, the MSM has abandoned the fine art of the follow up question. The Face the Nation interview of HRC was pathetic.

    Chris Wallace is an exception. Interviews like a pit bull. HRC will NEVER go on his show.

  427. Clock boy benefited from a double standard. Other children have been suspended from school for less obvious infractions, and the president or national press have not cared about them.

  428. Parker, I still live in an agrarian society. Many local schools do not have air conditioning. When the temperature approaches or exceeds 95 newscasters spend many minutes reading the names of closed schools.

    She is an isolated example, but the Finish lady, Lotta has done pretty well with summer vacation.

  429. The angst over Ben Carson’s “no Muslim president” comment misses the point.

    In the same interview he says, depending on the candidate’s views, he would NOT oppose a Muslim congressman. What SHOULD worry us is the breakdown in logic from this brilliant neurosurgeon. Why yes for a congressman but no for prez? Perhaps he knows we already have a Muslim congressman and he didn’t want to go there?

    In any case, the lack of consistent logic in his answer is far more troubling than any supposed Islamophobia.

  430. Art Garfunkle is performing in the UK. He told a London newspaper that the current migrant invasion is destroying Europe from the inside. Europe will become a Muslim continent.

  431. I disagree to this extent. Europe has a bunch of sovereign nations run by stable governments. For Garfunkel’s prediction to come true, we’d have to see nation after nation fall to Islam. That’s Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, etc etc. I just don’t see that happening. It’s chicken little.

  432. R: “For Garfunkel’s prediction to come true, we’d have to see nation after nation fall to Islam. That’s Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, etc etc. I just don’t see that happening.”

    OK – fair enough. Then let me ask you this: if you get, say, a little salmonella inside your body – no problem, right? But then your body ignores the danger and does not deal with the salmonella and the bug begins to multiply – for a nice round number, let’s say each bug has eight little bugs. And then each of those eight has eight. And those have eight.

    But your body, because it is trying to be tolerant and celebrate buggy diversity, still fails to deal with the salmonella, and it multiplies unmolested.

    Then one day your immune system wakes up, but it’s too late – the salmonella have multiplied to the point that they cannot be dealt with, no matter how alarmed your immunity becomes.

    What happens to you at that point? Maybe you would be “destroyed from the inside…” Hmmm???

  433. If you believe Ben Carson, then all of Europe might already be run by closet Muslims engaging in taqiyya.

    AND WE’RE NEXT!!!!!!!!!!111111oneoneoneeleventy…….

  434. Europe’s problem is a declining birth rate. Germany is especially troubled. To compensate some countries have let immigrants in. Many have not assimilated well, and European society tends to be less accepting of immigrants than ours is.

    I’m not speaking for Art, and I mentioned this because he spoke so starkly.

    This flood of migrants may number in the millions before it slows. They are backed up all the way to Syria and Afghanistan. Cities are already being overwhelmed, but still more come. Some have wondered if the Beerfest in Munich should be canceled. In a few cases, poor Germans are being displaced to accomodate immigrants. I think the same thing is happening in Sweden.

    More importantly, Europe is fracturing as eastern and central Europeans strongly disagree with the West. Rich countries like Germany have poor sections barely making it as it is. A large portion of rural Lithuania still had outdoor plumbing a few years ago and probably still does. Nativist parties are gaining strength because they in part resent interlopers taking scarce resources.

    The immediate problem is less about Muslims supplanting European culture and religion. It is a political and economic problem with the potential for local infrastructures to collapse. Another problem is the viability of the European Union.

    Garfunkle is a singer, not a political or economic analyst. He said he took a walking tour of Europe and based some of his conclusions what he saw.

    If trends continue, Europe will be much different a couple of generations from now.

    Art is 73 and he walked through parts of Europe. He is still well-preserved. That was the certain conclusion I took from his interview.

  435. CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It was a remarkable statement. You rarely hear that. A candidate who bows out says it was my calling, essentially I’ll give a translation, to get out of the race to consolidate the anti-Trump forces. That’s what he was saying. He refers to the ‘frontrunner.’ We all know who that is.

    But I find it interesting he didn’t blame Trump for him dropping out. I think he kind of knows why and it eludes to what you said. He peaked early. And it’s not just a process event. When he peaked early, he was way out ahead and that one great speech he made in Iowa he then played safe. And when he got a difficult issue like subsidies for biofuels in Iowa, he fudged, he said, ‘I’m not going to talk about certain issues.’

    He was sitting on a lead, which was a very early lead in one state and it all hinged on Iowa. He said if he didn’t win Iowa he would reconsider. When he knew that he disappeared in Iowa, it was over. In a way, it’s kind of patriotic. He thought, if I get out — well, he’s dead broke, anyway, [not] like the Clintons after their time at the White House. But, he realized if he gets out it may be the beginning of the winnowing of the field. It’s started early, it’s going to happen eventually, do it now.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/21/krauthammer_scott_walker_peaked_early_patriotic_for_him_to_drop_out_now_to_stop_trump.html

  436. Huck: “Social science isn’t your bag.”

    You are correct. Numbers are my bag, and I’m very good with them. Tell me where the analogy fails.

  437. “What great instinct do you have that enables you to spot “the plants”?”

    Common sense. No wonder it eludes you. You’re the most gullible person on the planet.

    Want examples, or should I leave it there barbecue you know I’m right?

  438. barbecue = because

    love auto correct. so much for crossed t’s and dotted i’s. guess I won’t be winning Rutherford over.

  439. A tipping point into a new paradymn is possible.

    I also think that man is a plant. It is the same feeling I had when Alfie asked what I had against the Iran nuclear deal when I still knew little about it. On the surface it appeared to be of some value, but I had a bad feeling. The same applies to that man.

  440. Good article on Art Garfunkel. I saw an old interview with him back when he was in college, and he was complaining that they wouldn’t let him take 27 hours of classes. Best estimate I’ve found is his I.Q is around 150.

  441. Want examples, or should I leave it there barbecue you know I’m right?

    😂😂😂😂😂😂 Sometimes your autocorrect is funny as hell.

    Yeah maaan, I be pot-roasting everything you saying!!!!

  442. Simon was the talent. Garfunkel was Ringo. He was the Boy Wonder. He was Sonny Bono. He was the Star Trek guy in a red uniform.

    We had to study the lyrics of “Sounds of Silence” in an English class.

    The Sound Of Silence (3:08) MIDI
    P. Simon, 1964
    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I’ve come to talk with you again
    Because a vision softly creeping
    Left its seeds while I was sleeping
    And the vision that was planted in my brain
    Still remains
    Within the sound of silence

    In restless dreams I walked alone
    Narrow streets of cobblestone
    ‘Neath the halo of a street lamp
    I turn my collar to the cold and damp
    When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
    That split the night
    And touched the sound of silence

    And in the naked light I saw
    Ten thousand people maybe more
    People talking without speaking
    People hearing without listening
    People writing songs that voices never shared
    No one dared
    Disturb the sound of silence

    “Fools,” said I, “you do not know
    Silence like a cancer grows
    Hear my words that I might teach you
    Take my arms that I might reach you”
    But my words like silent raindrops fell
    And echoed in the wells of silence

    And the people bowed and prayed
    To the neon god they made
    And the sign flashed out its warning
    In the words that it was forming
    And the sign said “The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
    And tenement halls
    And whispered in the sound of silence

  443. Hey, I just invented a flip phone in a pencil box!

    I’m gonna take it to the courthouse with me to show everyone my terrific invention.

    Wish me luck!

  444. Rutherford Europe has failed in one specific area across all the states.Assimilation. Although assimilation is a two way street when you go through the places like Germany,France,Sweden and England there are constants.
    Also keep in mind that not unlike the USA and issues with its minority classes Europe’s Muslim populations have a focus in the cities.

  445. “For Garfunkel’s prediction to come true, we’d have to see nation after nation fall to Islam.”

    You need to read about the last round of religious in Europe. France was only 10% Huguenots and they had a nasty religious war (War of the Three Henrys).

    Other factors played a role, to be sure…but….for hell unleash itself, it doesn’t take that many to tip the apple cart.

  446. “Just occurred to me … probably didn’t need to be shared.”

    It was as low as it gets. And completely baseless. I’m not one of these perpetual ra ra the troops guys. But if you think the Marine Corp is systematically covering for other Marines to fuck boys…becuase you…well…you just think it true….man…you don’t toss shit like that around.

    That is low, man.

    Even convicts in prison wouldn’t let that fly. To paint the Marine Corps like that. Worse then spitting on the troops.

  447. Why does the dumb fuck President always involve himself in this new cycle bull shit.

    He is POTUS in name only. The guy doesnt get he is President of all Americans. What about the administration and teachers at that school? Don’t they deserve to have a President too?

    If something fits his false narrative, he will jump in it like Oprah.

    Guy is a complete joke.

  448. Rabbit my troops comment was wild and unfounded but honestly, 30 years ago wouldn’t you have made the same defense of the Catholic Church? If 30 years ago, I told you “I bet priests are fucking kids and it’s being hidden”, wouldn’t you have said I should be punched in the face?

    Shit, get more recent. You don’t think I would have gotten a punch in the face in Philadelphia for suggesting Sandusky was fucking kids?

    You’re right that the accusation came from my lurid imagination but you shouldn’t put ANY institution above abusing the weak.

    Did Abu Graib surprise you?

  449. I know you guys get tired of my making excuses for O but I often wonder how much he may just be following someone else’s lead.

    Edith Wilson ran the damn country and we didn’t know it (during Woodrow’s stroke). Nancy Reagan had final say over Ronnie’s schedule with the help of her numerologist.

    Maybe Valerie Jarrett is running the damn country? 😳

  450. Of course. What do you think he’ll do, lecture the kid about not trying to scare the shit out of his teachers?

    On the drive home from the eye doctor, I heard TaNehisi Coates on the radio blaming white folks for black dysfunction and I thought of the gang I hang out with here and I just started to laugh.

    I think he’s got a new article out discussing Moynihan’s 60’s study on race.

    In the meantime, apropos of the title of this post, I’m reading Larry Elder’s “What’s Race Got to do with It?”, a book he published back in 2009. He tears “well meaning liberals” limb from limb.

  451. I’m gonna take it to the courthouse with me to show everyone my terrific invention – ET

    True story. The last time I went to the courthouse, I had my Thor hammer on my keychain. Probably weighs about 4 ounces. A diligent young man in uniform made me hand it over until I left because “hammer” was on their list of posted contraband. 🙂

    I know that it’s likely, the only thing you guys will take from that story is that I have Mjollnir on my keychain, but it was still funny enough to share. My “mime” moment.

  452. “I know that it’s likely, the only thing you guys will take from that story is that I have Mjollnir on my keychain”

    I assure you the word “Mjollnir” wasn’t silently uttered. “Dandy” was. But not Mjollnir.

  453. “What do you think he’ll do, lecture the kid about not trying to scare the shit out of his teachers?”

    Why, yes. I do. Why wouldn’t he? He’s such a fake fuck he can’t navigate a middle school controversy?

    The guy incapable of being on the right side of a middle school suspension.

  454. “How do you address this?”

    Whoops. I forgot. Images of other dead babies. Grow up. There’s plenty of dead babies.

    Boy that’s persuasive. Check and mate.

  455. Amusing. 🙂 When there is no one to argue with, El Tigre argues with himself. 😆

    Once a loyahhh…. Amok A mock defender for the mock trials of life.