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Mental Masturbation Disguised as a Candidacy

For a couple of weeks I’d seen Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig on the tube talking about a potential run for President. The election reformer in me liked what I was hearing. Then I heard a talking head, whose name I don’t remember, on Slate’s Political Gabfest podcast get really irate over Lessig’s proposition. Despite being liberal, she seemed practically insulted by what Lessig had planned. I found her over the top until I gave it more thought. 

Lessig’s idea is to have a referendum presidency. If elected, he would pursue one goal and one goal only, campaign finance reform including the overturning of the Citizens United SCOTUS decision. Once he has achieved his reforms he will resign, handing the presidency over to his VP. 

The idea, of course, is absurd. The world won’t stop while Lessig pursues his single issue agenda. Nations fight amongst each other. Natural disasters occur. Economies go in the toilet. What does Lessig plan to do while these events swirl around him? As far as I can tell, not a damn thing. 

And this is where I understand the Slate panelist’s irritability. As a country we’ve got big problems and we need a President fit to take them on. Lessig represents the bizarro-world polar opposite of Donald Trump. Where Trump has a “just trust me” approach devoid of intellectual rigor, Lessig is an egg head intellectual reinventing the presidency to suit his experimental parameters. 

Lessig has officially declared his candidacy and I, for one, wish he’d just go away. Running for president shouldn’t be some university social lab exercise. Intellectual masturbation should be confined to journal articles and talk shows. It has no place in running to lead a troubled nation. 

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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456 thoughts on “Mental Masturbation Disguised as a Candidacy

  1. I first heard of him outside of politics. As a webinar producer (supposedly my real job) I’m interested in effective presentation styles. Lessig was known for a PowerPoint presentation composed of some 200 slides presented in about 20 minutes tops. It was considered an excellent example of keeping the audience engaged by keeping the images changing rapidly.

    Years later I learned he was an outspoken critic of money in politics. This stunt that I write about here is his latest effort at reform.

  2. Idiots like this, like Trump, like Deez Nutz, who make a mockery of our system irritate me.

    But who irritates me even more are the idiots who support them. I know some of them are meant to be a joke, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to tell who really is joking, these days.

    Trust me, we’ll be long gone by our own doing before those nasty Muslims ever even get a chance to ruin this country.

  3. Very good question Thor. He wouldn’t be the first “populist” this season to wrestle with not playing the game while playing the game.

    Bernie and Donald say they are only accepting small amounts from grassroots supporters. I would guess Larry is playing it the same way. I’d have to check out his web site to be sure.

    Of course then you’ve got HRC who will fight the good fight after her superpac gets her elected. 😐

    P.S. Welcome back.

  4. He always lies. Always. Every miserable word that comes out of his stupid face is a lie. I always assume it’s actually the opposite, now.

  5. In the previous thread, some of us discussed the possible evil of Dick Cheney. This crop of Democrats personifies evil. Not only do they lie, but they often, as the Obamas and Clintons do disrespect the help.

    As I have written before, the liberals were willing to let more American and allied troops die with Iraqis to win an election. If you doubt me, look up Slow Bleed.

  6. I don’t have time to tell how Obama lied about the intelligence or even to read the article. It may be more of a class of “Will no one rid me of this man?” The lies may be the result of a mood created by the leadership. I don’t know. But I do know of other lies.

    Arnold Ahlert “Obama’s Lies about Bush and iraq Sunday August 9, 2015

    “The president’s speech on the Iranian deal delivered at American University was vintage Obama as in a compendium of demagoguery, historical revisionism and outright lying…”

    The Democratic party was willing to faciltate America’s defeat in Iraq if it “accrued to their political advantage.” He declared victory and sent our troops away long before they should have gone. The result was a power vacum Obama ignored. ISIS is one of the results.

    Obama promised in 2012 that any deal with Iran would require them to shut down all of their centrifuges, Iran siill has centrifuges.

    Obama has also told us that there is no moral distinction between members of an American opposition party and an organization of terrorists. He has done little to fight the extremists who’s goal is to place the entire world under Sharia law.

    Iran already has missiles to hit Israel. They are developing ICBM missiles to hit Europe or the US.

    Obama didn’t stop that, nor did he free the American prisoners in Iraq.

    The writer didn’t mention the Slow Bleed, one of the most egregious examples of disregard for our soldiers’ lives of the century. This man and his party have demonstrated that their interests have replaced concern for the welfare of the country they have sworn to protect.

    And you have the gaul to write that we are deranged about Obama? Where have you been for all of these years?

    “Tell me again how Obama lied.” I want you to look up this article and tell me in detail why the writer and those he cites are wrong about Obama’s lies. I don’t expect you will do it, so here is another present for you.

    Anger and rage are weapons to be used as guns, so instead of getting mad, I throw music and nonsense. .

  7. I am waving a red flag at your Palin derangement.

    Obama lied, and people died. Fewer people would have died during Sarah Palin’s administration than during the past seven plus years. She would have also been a better president. Her administration would have given us a first as Obama’s did with the first half black in the White House. Palin would have given the first spouse with part Inuit heritage.

  8. “From your article:

    ““The cancer was within the senior level of the intelligence command,” one defense official said.”

    Tell me again how Obama lied.”

    Are you serious?

    Duh.

  9. “January 2017 can’t come soon enough for me. You folks have been deranged about Obama since day 1 and man is it getting old 6.5 years later.”

    6.5 years later and you;re still an Obama pole smoker.

  10. “Tigre starting to sound like Poolman. Who woulda thunk it?”

    You don’t understand the comment.

    Go back to your Morning Joe reruns.

  11. “Tigre, I’m impressed with how blatantly you ignore the post. At least you’re consistent that you don’t bother to read the posts.”

    Oh. Sorry.

    Brilliant!

  12. C’mon guys. Obama never lies. It’s always the people that are immediately under him and have no motivation to lie who are always doing the lying. Obama just reads about their lies in the paper like we do–and then he shares our outrage.

    Trust us, Rutherford—we can’t wait until January 2017 either.

  13. So my wife and I were awakened last night by our barking dog and pounding on the front door by our neighbor across the street to call the police. My wife was the first to the door, as I am a very heavy sleeper, and she did not open the door, as is our policy.

    The neighbor and his girlfriend had been loudly arguing all day, and by the late afternoon she was removing items from the home, being “guarded” by the neighborhood drunk (and I suspect tweeker) who was armed with a chainsaw (yeah, you read that right). She also took the guy’s pitbull off the property. I later learned why that was an important point.

    In the middle of the night 3 people broke into the guys house and beat him bloody and broken with bats and pipes. I don’t know what made them stop or how he got away, but he ended up dripping blood on my front porch. I got dressed and went out, found him barely able to walk, as he was making his way around my corner to seek help from someone. Even though I could see and hear the tweekers down the street, I had him come onto my property–because I just can’t turn my back on a person in his condition.

    I kept him in my front yard, sat him on a lawn chair, and called the police. It took them a while to arrive, because they had to come from the next town over. Once they got here, they called for EMS, which we do have local. He had multiple head wounds, and what appeared to be multiple broken bones. He went in and out of consciousness a couple of times.

    So far today, I haven’t seen him, as I suspect he is still in the hospital. I have seen people I know are his friends on his property, getting into verbal confrontations with the girlfriend, who is now inside the home. All of this is going on directly across the street from me.

    I am tempted to talk to my wife about us buying a firearm–which is not a conversation we have ever had, and one that I resent even having to consider.

    I am not a happy man right now.

  14. Having a firearm is a huge responsibility but not a complex one. Your family was a great risk last night.

    Plus, going to the range is fun.

    Buy a gun. Lock it up. If a slow burner like last night presents itself, you will be much more secure. I can’t imagine NOT owning one.

  15. James you didn’t actually answer the question. Tigre posts an article saying nothing about Obama lying and declares Obama lied.

    Sorry but the article on intelligence misinformation simply doesn’t say that.

  16. Huck you know the vibe of your neighborhood better than us. Moving is hardly the best choice although if the stars are aligning that your area is going down put it on the list.. Short term a firearm or perhaps non lethal items such as taser,pepper spray or something like that is a good choice. Owning doesn’t forfeit dialing 911 and per your own experience when seconds could matter the PD is only minutes away.

  17. I wouldn’t say “overrun” and it has actually been worse along those lines. For a while, in that same house across the street, there were skinhead meth/oxy dealers who used to regularly shoot my house and cars with paintballs. A couple visits from the police and a conversation with the skinhead honcho informing him that we did not intend to take any more bullshit put an end to that problem. You’d be surprised how fast people can alter their behavior when they know their bottom line is threatened. Plus, around here, a lot of people own guns and most aren’t too anxious to discover if you do or don’t.

    I’ve lived here over 17 years and have no intention of letting anyone scare me from my home.

    “when seconds could matter the PD is only minutes away.”

    In our case, usually 30 or more.

    I hadn’t considered those non-lethal options and the wife and I will be discussing that, as well.

  18. Occasional visits by my patched-up 1%er (and I mean that in the most literal sense) father also helps to make a neighborhood statement. Dad made several visits during that other problem. Might be time for a reminder lol.

  19. Alfie there is zero comparison of Bernie Sanders to Larry Lessig. Sanders has a long legislative history. He is hardly a one-issue candidate. He understands the full job of the presidency and doesn’t PLAN to resign and hand the office over to the VP.

    I assume you were being Sanders-snarky just for the sake of being Sanders-snarky.

  20. Well, Huck do what you have to do. I’m not a fan of fleeing one’s home either. Having a gun is a “huge responsibility” is putting it mildly. I don’t recall if you still have kids at home but if you do that is all the more reason to be cautious.

    Unless you can say without hesitation that you are capable of firing a gun at another human being, there is no sense in injecting that complexity into your life. A gun that you cannot bring yourself to use is just an accident waiting to happen.

  21. Rutherford, I successfully rattled your cage. Palin almost always gets a response from you. You can’t help yourself.

    I told you I hadn’t read the article on intelligence and made a vague Shakespearian speculation about imposed motives. I was concentrating on actual claims of dishonesty cited in the article. The article will be hard to discredit.

  22. “Huck think about moving before you buy a gun.”

    Yeah Huck, get up and move your entire family to the mythological safe spot. But don’t buy a .38. I beg of you…listen to the kluk.

    Don’t buy a gun. Rutherford thinks you can’t handle it. It’s ok to drive a car though, or have a chain saw. But not a gun. Too much. You are all going to die.

    In all seriousness, a little 1%er action via your old man ain’t a bad idea unless your neighbors are Mongols. For some reason I’m picturing a Hells Angels rocker out in Cally. Don’t respond to this, obviously.

  23. R I find the comparison close enough. Bernie wants to drastically alter the course and nature of the country via a single manner,socialism. He is not an active legislator btw. He is more complex but he is ultimately a one trick pony.

  24. Yeah Huck, get up and move your entire family to the mythological safe spot. But don’t buy a .38. I beg of you…listen to the kluk.

    Can’t speak for Huck. The safety of my neighborhood certainly does NOT merit my purchase of a firearm. I do not live in a gated community and the crime here is still near non-existent. I’m not arrogant enough to say there is a 0% chance of my being a victim of domestic crime but the odds here are in my favor.

    You’ve written enough here over the years Rabbit for me to know an element, perhaps a small one, of your gun ownership is macho swagger. I’d take your advice with a grain of salt quite frankly.

  25. Alfie, we already have socialism and Bernie calls for a pinch more of it. Is he suggesting that government own the means of production in this country and the end to private enterprise? Of course not. His calling himself a socialist is a STUNT. Sadly one that will interfere with his being nominated.

    He wants Medicare for all — that involves payment for medical services. He is not suggesting government run hospitals — if he is, I missed it. He wants changes to tax law that reduce the advantages of the rich.

    He is an active legislator — in fact, one of the things that distinguishes his campaign from others is he often talks about the CURRENT legislation that he is either drafting or advocating rather than simply talking about what he will do once in office.

    I have the sneaking suspicion that while you considered me irrationally anti-Mitt in 2012, you may very well be irrationally anti-Bernie. I get that you don’t agree with his politics but I think you are doing a bit of distortion.

  26. Huck – you go fucking around with a taser or pepper spray with meth heads and they’ll kill you. If you are not willing to put a slug into someone, then you need to move. These people ain’t playing, and taser/pepper spray will make them go gunning for you, and at best, the next time they see you, they will mess you and/or your family up. Your only move is when confronted, tell the skinhead quietly that you want peace and quiet and no drama, but if you are not left alone you will kill him. He’ll know if you are bluffing or you mean it, so don’t talk unless you are ready to back it up.

    Now that I think of it, you better move.

  27. Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t a taser involve proximity to the target? In other words, does the taser “shoot” a shock or must there be device contact with the skin? While I am NOT advocating purchasing a gun, it does buy you the ability to not get too up close and personal.

  28. He’ll know if you are bluffing or you mean it, so don’t talk unless you are ready to back it up.

    That’s essentially what I said — if one cannot with certainty say he can shoot someone and possibly kill him, there is no sense having a gun in the house. The mere sight of a gun might scare off some perps but not all. You can’t point a loaded gun at someone and hope that ends the conflict. You have to be prepared to shoot.

    I know Rabbit is big on calling me the wimp but if we don’t divorce the stereotypical male “protector of the family” element from this discussion, we are fooling ourselves. This ain’t a “role” we are playing. We either feel we can protect ourselves successfully with a gun or we don’t. If we have doubts, then we shouldn’t have one. End of story.

  29. I read your whole post, Huck. I don’t know what you do for a living or your background, but these people will hurt you and hurt you bad. If you have no background in using a gun or dealing with confrontations, messing with these folks is a VERY bad idea. If you intend to stay, you need to get some serious gun-shooting time, a serious gun like a Colt or Smith .357 (I don’t like automatics; revolvers never fail, and if you need more than six .357’s, it’s just not your day anyway.)

    I don’t read your posts as your being much familiar with confrontation, and this kind of people don’t respect AT ALL anything but force. If they think they can push you around, or they actually can, you are toast. You have to be able and more importantly willing to kill them. That doesn’t sound like you. My advice is to get your family out of there.

    James, you have experience with violence; what say you?

  30. “If we have doubts, then we shouldn’t have one. End of story”

    Your doubts have nothing to do with a gun. Why don’t you just say you don’t have it in you to protect your family.

  31. Even a gun might not stop an enraged meth head until its too late.

    Contrary to the movies, they don’t fall backwards when shot.

  32. Rutherford, you don’t understand.

    You don’t “point” a gun to scare someone off. You point a gun right before you pull the trigger.

  33. Of course, you think its some macho relic of dominence, becuase the betas at MSNBC taught you that. It’s a tool: to fucking kill someone that is trying to hurt or kill your family.

    Or to hunt with.

    Or have fun at the range with.

    It is not an object to make one more alpha or tough guy.

    Quite the opposite. Carry a gun for a day or two. You become the most agreeable person on the world. Conflict is the last thing on Earth you want. Personally, carrying a gun has taught me just how many potential avenues there are to NOT get into a conflict.

    Are guns for everybody? No. But you spread falsehoods. As usual. You don’t know shit, brah.

  34. I agree Parker. Target practice is obviously different from the real thing. If you use a weapon, you must be mentally prepared. to make the decision without hesitating. Otherwise, your opponent may decide for you with tragic results.

    You may have seconds to decide what to do, and you will have to focus on nothing but stopping the threat. Speed counts. That includes little regard for your survival or safety. You need to project an image of controlled violence and craziness to maybe cast a shade of doubt in your opponents’ minds.You can’t let them know you are terrified. You can’t fake it. They will see it in your eyes. Creating doubt MIGHT be enough to give you the edge to survive. You also need a plan B developed if plan A doesn’t work.

    On the other hand, you have to understand the ramifications of over reacting or miscalculating too soon. Charges might be filed.

    My experiences were with feet, hands, knives and blunt objects, but bullets probably apply too. You know your situation best. I can’t tell you what to do.

  35. Your doubts have nothing to do with a gun. Why don’t you just say you don’t have it in you to protect your family.

    I find your wording imprecise quite honestly. I’m getting the vibe from you that you think I don’t WANT to protect my family. That couldn’t be further from the truth. Given my physical limitations, I have NO business with a gun. Knowing what I am physically capable of makes it all the more important for me to keep my family in as safe a place as possible. Huck has options I don’t have. If I truly felt threatened, I would move — done.

    It’s one reason why my shrinking financial resources are giving me agita right now — I cannot afford to move into a “poor neighborhood”. I can’t do that to my family, much less myself.

  36. And you still don’t understand the comment. God you’re dumb. You’re the guy Gruber was talking about you moron.

    Oh yeah. The Gruber comment was Poolman-like conspiracy too. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  37. Three things Rutherford doesn’t get:

    The Global Warming debate
    Economics
    Housekeeping

    I’d say “add to the list” but WordPress couldn’t handle the volume.

  38. Yeah, you’re right. Obama didn’t lie about that JV team. He was lied to.

    God you’re an idiot.

    Hey, Obama didn’t lie, josh Earnest did.

  39. Then there is one other possibility.

    You and your good neighbor(s) should have an all-night card game. Sometime in the night, (say, 5 a.m., since that is generally when the crackheads go to bed) person or persons unknown seem to have snuck over to the meth/crack house and poured multiple gallons of gasoline in the basement window, poured a trail about 50′ back and lit it.

    If anybody asks, nobody left the card game all night – even to take a piss.

    Just a thought. As they say, if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

  40. R – I grew up in a place where a lot of people didn’t have enough to eat, so I get your “agita” about not being able to pay the bills. And I understand that you were not raised in an atmosphere of conflict and fighting; therefore, the concept of defending yourself with a firearm does not seem the best path, but for those of us who were raised in that way, it is hard to convey the violence that lurks in these people’s minds. If they get you on the ground they will stomp your brains out, and I mean that literally.

    If you can’t stand toe-to-toe with them and mean what you say, they will eat you alive. That’s no shame on you; you were raised better than that. But they have no respect for you at all and will push, push, push until you WILL have to either kill them face to face, ambush them, or move. To my eye those are the choices.

  41. And you still don’t understand the comment.

    Any suggestion that sincere worries about climate change are just a front for a grand redistribution of wealth scheme does not merit my understanding.

    I don’t dismiss differing opinions on whether it’s settled science but unlike you and yours I don’t need to impugn the motives of the other side.

    Moron. 😡

  42. But they have no respect for you at all and will push, push, push until you WILL have to either kill them face to face, ambush them, or move. To my eye those are the choices.

    I completely agree. That’s why I’m thankful the choices have never presented themselves.

  43. “Any suggestion that sincere worries about climate change are just a front for a grand redistribution of wealth scheme does not merit my understanding.”

    If you don’t think there is a motive within many of the climate change people to hurt big business… You…..well…you are Rutherford!

    Dude….you could get climate change people to even admit that. Sure, they believe in it, but they also love hurting big business, oil etc.

  44. All a matter of how you look at it. If they think big oil wants profits at the expense of the planet, then of course they hate big oil.

    I would need to better understand this redistribution of wealth idea before I could say it has any merit. The quote taken in isolation sounds nutty.

    Of course the all-knowing Tigre could set me straight if he chose to.

  45. The government bought a farmer’s flood prone land after the floods of 1993. He moved to our area where property values were lower, and he bought several thousand acres of land. He was a bad dude.

    He threatened to kill a woman who turned him into the government for building a home for his daughter on an old Indian burial site.

    One of his houses burned mysteriously after a thunderstorm. We returned home from a meeting and reported the fire, though it was only a mile or so from the farmer’s home.

    Several weeks later, insurance commissioner reps asked me about the thunderstorm I had reported that day. They had suspicious about the cause of the fire. I said the cloud to ground lightning had been a couple miles south, not north of us where the house was.

    They later put me under oath, and I testified that lightning could not have caused the fire. The farmer knew someone, and charges were later dropped.

    January came. It was 14 degrees with a gusty northeast wind over 30 MPH. A local fire fighter showed up and asked if our tractor would start in the cold. We looked out. A mile and a half fire up to six feet high was racing toward our farmstead.

    My wife and I helped two fire departments fight the fire until the wee hours of the morning. One truck ran out of water and had to get more. The fire died across the road from our house.

    The fire fighters were sure our neighbor had started the fire to burn us out, but the neighbor said he was only burning grass at 10PM.

    My point is someone who wants to get rid of you can use other than weapons and make it look like an accident. He is gone now, but he left us with the memory of an interesting night.

  46. It wasn’t my intent to spark debate. I kind of just wanted to get things off my chest. With that said, I do appreciate everyone’s input and my wife and I are discussing options. Whatever we do decide, I am thankful to live in a country where that choice is ours.

  47. All-knowing Tigre whom you called a nimrod thinks you need to read and think.

    Above my pay grade. 11 bucks an hour gets you your account balance and recent transactions. Otherwise fuck off. 😊

  48. Rutherford Bernie has sponsor 7 bills since he has been in D.C,that includes both his Senate and House time. Only one passed into law and it was a bipartisan no brainer.
    If you think Bernie is a leader that’s good for you. He isn’t by any rational measure and perhaps I’ll dedicate some time to prove it.

  49. What’s with this Nimrod stuff? I’ve only heard it used to refer to people who consider themselves Great White Hunters – in error.

  50. Yeah, guns are a hot topic. We got people shooting at people on our freeways right now. More than one, they’ve decided. I think it’s 11 incidents so far. I don’t think it easy to protect from that. It does help raise the fear factor. A lot of that going around.

  51. @ Huck good for you and not for nothing but the choice really is up to you and needs to be tied to a number of factors. Your & your spouses comfort level & the actual threat level being the two most important.
    FWIW I don’t buy into Parkers analysis since to me what you described is more in line with folks not likely to go tune people up outside of the “business” circles. I have no doubt that location played a role in the tweakers choosing the real estate they occupy. Still in the real world people like them don’t escalate the violence level such as home invasion against those they have no ties to,either positive or negative. If you have been living there for a dozen years and have not experienced property crime I think you’ll be ok.
    After all that,in answer to your question,I have no idea what CA laws are on the matter. Ironically many jurisdictions are more open to you having a firearm than a less lethal weapon. Personally I am a semi guy with a preference for .45ACP rounds. I am actually shopping for a MA compliant carbine. It offers the punch and safety combination for home defense.

  52. Rutherford if you need one primer note on climate change,greens and overall policy let it be this one.
    Greens who disdain and automatically black out nuclear energy are dishonest and driven by unrealistic passions and dumbassery.

  53. Back to Bernie. Bernie is of the loser class that thinks people want to hear him and that HE is the only one with the message. Thing is his record shows him to be a joke just like Ron Paul proved it in the House.
    I don’t think “irrationally anti-Mitt” is something I would ever have accused you of. You were grossly ill informed and perversely ignorant. I also don’t think I am irrational in my disdain for Sanders. He has ideas but if you can’t get them to the show you’re spinning your wheels.
    A good comparison for Sanders would be Newt Gingrich. Newt was a voluminous idea guy and enjoyed primarily having those ideas foster action in diverse corners PLUS actually getting stuff passed based on the ideas. See the diff?

  54. Greens who disdain and automatically black out nuclear energy are dishonest and driven by unrealistic passions and dumbassery.

    I’d need more to get your point. Nuclear energy carries grave safety risks that the average dumbass American institution is ill equipped to handle. When it goes right it goes right. When it goes wrong it goes very wrong.

    Three Mile Island a case in point.

  55. Regarding legislating, it includes voting, not just writing legislation. Surely you’d agree Bernie’s voting record much more extensive than Lessig – of course that would be more than zero.

  56. @ R you’re kind of proving my point albeit unknowingly and unintentionally. Until we evolve to Hydrogen powered Nirvana nukes are actually g-r-e-e-n. The next generation of reactors will use nuclear waste in the form of the current waste rods. The efficiencies and benefits are immense.

  57. Remember this?

    This was all about the energy crisis. Not global cooling. No matter how much anyone says otherwise.

    The narrative that “the science is settled” is absolutely false political propaganda designed to serve one purpose: close off debate and force policy actions.

    Now, Rutherford, if you look at what those policy actions are. . .

  58. I don’t have a huge dog in the climate change debate. Yes, interfering with Mother Nature involves policy changes and I do get the concern from those who don’t want to throw money at a problem that either doesn’t exist or has been misdiagnosed. My only worry is that our descendants will look back on us and say “man, you ignorant fools really fucked us over”.

    I’m not anti nuke energy either but I do get the safety concerns. I remember a 60 Minutes exposé from perhaps a decade ago where you could just cut through the chain link fence around a reactor and walk right onto the campus. Scary shit.

  59. “Yes, interfering with Mother Nature involves policy changes and I do get the concern from those who don’t want to throw money at a problem that either doesn’t exist or has been misdiagnosed.”

    The point is that there is no interfering with Mother Nature involving policy changes.

    Shit. There’s no interfering with Mother Nature.

  60. Tex has several of us on email and I was gonna ask, without divulging anything personal, if anyone had heard from him. I have not. Usually when he takes a leave of absence he does so in a huff. No big recent huff so I am a bit worried.

    I may reach out if another day or two goes by.

  61. P.S. Welcome back. – R

    Thank you R. Went to the coast for week to get away from the smoke and then just real busy after that.

    Huck, consider the fire extinguisher short term, you should already have some in the house anyway. Remember P>A>S>S. Also, if they are cooking meth over there, an explosion could be a bigger threat than a break in.

  62. Yes, a fire extinguisher is short term, though one can kill a person with one. Meth related explosions are a risk requiring fire extinguishers, Meth explosions are something to behold.

    The global warming debate is based on lies. Climategate’s e mails admitted it with “hide the decline.” Natural forces still override human influences. China and India alone will countermand what we do. Socialists like Obama would consign a large part of the world into subsistence living. They don’t care because they have theirs. I think private enterprise and the profit motive will be the best solution for over use of carbon extraction.

    I think Hillary will have a hard time. Her mind seems brittle and sluggish. A debate may mortally wound her before her e mail misdeeds finish her.

    Welcome back, Thor. I hoped you had seen the worst of the fire after our sky cleared.

    I re read an account of the events on Flight 93 to honor the victims and survivors of the attack.

  63. On this anniversary, we need to pay attention to Europe.

    Hungary has now called out the Army to control the waves of migration. Denmark has closed its border with Germany. Train service is suspended. The Danes realize that many of the migrants are there for economic reasons.

    French authorities are searching for a probably dangerous terrorist hiding with migrants near Calais.

    David Cameron wants Britain to stay in the EU, and to change its nature. The poll showing a majority of Brits want to leave the Union weaken his political position. Germany, France, and Poland oppose his efforts and say such policies could signal the end of the EU.

    Al Quiada has declared war on ISIS.

    A British terror expert said their only hope is forming an alliance with Putin and Assad of Syria. Assad is the lessor evil. “one of the biggest mistakes of the second Gulf War was when we took control of the country and sacked every member of the police and army and handed it over to the Shias. All of the commanders and military went back to the desert and plotted.” He thinks an armed invasion may be necessary.

    British are being polled about whether to use the army as border guards.

    Hillary implemented policies which are partly responsible. If her political enemies could stick the chaos to her, she would be finished.

  64. About the time I think I’ve got a grasp on who’s who in the presidential competition you throw out a name I’ve not heard. I think I’ll just wait until the real candidates are on the ballot. Let’s hope Jan. 2017 brings about something to celebrate besides the last of Obama. These days even county clerks are potential presidents.

  65. Rutherford the only advice I’ll add to your pending financial problems is it’s time to look into disability benefits. I know your feeling on the subject but if it were me I would take that path rather than subject your family to a move.
    It takes almost three years to get approved and you’ll have to hire a lawyer. Oh that’s right you already have a lawyer ET 🙂
    Only problem it would have been better if you had applied when your salary was higher as benefits are related to income.

  66. Fuck off Poolman. Rather than wasting your time spewing your usual stupidity, you’ve got a pernicious personality disorder that needs addressing.

  67. “Oh that’s right you already have a lawyer ET.”

    ET don’t know nuttin’ about disability or other programs. That is a legal universe unto itself. But I would ask someone that resides in that universe if needed.

  68. There are some days I can deal with Poolman and his conspiracy theories – even listen to them out of respect, but today was NOT one of them. Not at all. I was in Manhattan this past spring and went to the Fountains. It was just about all I could do to keep it together. Glad to go to sleep and put this day behind me.

    So I think I speak for many if I say that today would be a good day for Pools to bloody zip it.

  69. I am gross and perverted
    I’m obsessed and deranged
    I have existed for years
    But very little has changed
    I’m the tool of the government
    And industry too
    For I am destined to rule
    And regulate you

    I may be vile and pernicious
    But you can’t look away
    I make you think I’m delicious
    With the stuff that I say
    I am the best you can get
    Have you guessed me, yet?
    I’m the slime oozin’ out
    From your TV set

    You will obey me while I lead you
    And eat the garbage that I feed you
    Until the day that we don’t need you
    Don’t go for help; no one will heed you
    Your mind is totally controlled
    It has been stuffed into my mold
    And you will do as you are told
    Until the rights to you are sold

    “That’s right folks
    Don’t touch that dial”

    Well, I am the slime from your video
    Oozin’ along on your livin’ room floor
    I am the slime from your video
    Can’t stop the slime, people, look at me go

  70. Well I’m sorry but I have to be the contrarian again.

    9/11 was 14 fucking years ago. ENOUGH! It now belongs in the same category as Pearl Harbor Day. It should get a one line nod on the news broadcast and then we move on. Maybe at 20 years we do another big commemoration.

    This morning the NBC network feed has an “as it happened” POS going on AGAIN!!! Every goddam year I see this. It’s terror-porn for folks who want to see planes crash into buildings on an endless loop.

    I know it was a tragedy. Waiters who served me 3 months earlier when I visited the towers probably died that day. 100’s of thousands of lives were effected if you extrapolate from the 3000+ lost. I get that.

    But there are countries on this planet that NEVER know peace. They don’t get to rebuild their towers. They go through daily bloodshed. Many many more than 3000 lost.

    We need to put this in its place as a tragic HISTORICAL event and stop reliving it each and every goddam year.

    Enough.

  71. I like it. Trumpery.

    “Showy but worthless finery” That fits Obama, so it is an added bonus.

    Frank Zappa wrote “I may be vile and pernicious.” Did Moon Unit ever hold a grudge?

  72. On 9/11 I put up my flag, stand there for a little while and look at it in tearful remembrance, and then try and do something that day that makes me an active part of (what I think is, anyway) the American society.

    Fire up your grill. Go walk around a mall. Go see a movie. Go by your local high school and catch a football game (what I will be doing). Do something that celebrates life and that celebrates our wonderful way of it. Because, for all our faults, we’re still the best thing going. That can only change if we allow it.

    aaaaand with that said…..

    It will be interesting to see if these idiots turn from loudmouths to actual terrorists who take up arms and actually shoot at government officials who try to enforce them law and court rulings.

    I wonder if videos of them getting their faces blown off will be celebrated here by our “fuck yeah!” armchair warriors. I’m betting not.

  73. Huck from the Oath Keepers founder:

    “[T]he leftists in this country hate this country, they hate it, and they will get in bed with radical Islamists because they have a common enemy, western civilization.”

    We’ve read the same goddam foolish rhetoric from folks on this very blog. I get mocked when I call out the nonsense. I seriously question how many here are rooting for the Oath Keepers to take out McCain and Obama.

    The question here is do we have a board of pontificaters here or truly dangerous people who will follow assholes like Stewart Rhodes?

  74. “We’ve read the same goddam foolish rhetoric from folks on this very blog. I get mocked when I call out the nonsense. I seriously question how many here are rooting for the Oath Keepers to take out McCain and Obama.”

    What the fuck are you blathering about? Is this like the cold fear you had with the violent regulars at your blog spurred on by Palin’s bullseye graphic?

    Yeah. we’re all rooting for Oath Keepers to kill McCain and Obama, whatever the fuck oath keepers is.

    Sometime it’s hard to believe you’re a grown man.

  75. James, I wouldn’t know if Moon Unit held a grudge. I doubt for her dad’s song lyrics but maybe for her name. I suppose her early life was vastly different from the one you or I had. Meanwhile, I took all the psychiatric advice I have received here at the bar and put it toward good use.

    Going backwards to 1968. Some seems trite, but most is beyond happenstance. If Arsenio compiled it, it would be more things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    http://tomatobubble.com/id884.html

  76. “What the fuck are you blathering about?”

    Took the words outa my mouth, Tigre.

    The blathering of a shriveled man-child.

    Never heard of Oath Keepers that I recall. I started to read the link but then I saw the source and moved on. No need to read what zealots are saying about other zealots. Maybe Oath Keepers and BLM could go work their shit out in the trees.

  77. “This morning the NBC network feed has an “as it happened” POS going on AGAIN!!! Every goddam year I see this. It’s terror-porn for folks who want to see planes crash into buildings on an endless loop.”

    Turn off the teevee moron.

  78. “It should get a one line nod on the news broadcast and then we move on. “-R

    You want to know the difference? Despite the gross negligence and psychopathic compartmentalization of the left, the war is’nt over.

    You get that?

    We are in the middle of a war!!!!

    The war with these miserable fucks isn’t over. It’s just begun.

    It’s not a historical footnote.

    I make sure I catch some footage every 9/11, as much as I hate it. I was there on October 11, 2001 helping my buddy move out of his condemend Battery Park apartment building (the one I moved him into on September 9th) and saw workers pull out a fucking foot. They draped a flag over it. My brother, my buddy and I both said we will never forget this shit until the last one of these miserable stinkbeards is dead.

    Fuck stink beards. Never forget.

    When radical Islam is purged like the Nazis, I will then move on. Until then, I am even willing to send my sons to fight the garbage.

  79. I’m sure our media will be all over this one. I haven’t seen it in the yahoo feed yet.

    The FBI arrested a 20-year-old American Jewish man for posing as an Islamic State extremist, calling for terrorist attacks, claiming to be planning attacks in Australia and the United States, and providing information on bomb construction to a second party. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the same man, who it named as Florida resident Joshua Ryne Goldberg, also posed as a respected Australian lawyer in April to maliciously post a racist blog post on The Times of Israel.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-jew-arrested-for-posing-as-online-jihadist-encouraging-terrorism/

  80. Turn off the teevee moron.

    I changed the channel fuck-face.

    Bring your shit this weekend dear like you did last weekend and the thread will be full of expletives. And as blog owner I’m not deleting a goddam thing.

  81. “Bring your shit this weekend dear like you did last weekend and the thread will be full of expletives. And as blog owner I’m not deleting a goddam thing.”

    You mad, bro?

  82. Rabbit I get the trauma believe me. I wasn’t as up close and personal as you were but damn it crossed my mind that I was about 3 months removed from being incinerated along with my visiting FIL.

    The root problem with the war on terror and I’ve said this before is it will NEVER end. We push Al Qaeda off a bit and up sprouts ISIL.

    YOU CANNOT KILL AN IDEOLOGY!! It can only die by change within. Whether we like it or not we are at the whim of Muslim reform. If the reform doesn’t happen, the fight will never end.

  83. “I changed the channel fuck-face.”

    You don’t understand the advice.

    “Bring your shit this weekend dear like you did last weekend and the thread will be full of expletives. And as blog owner I’m not deleting a goddam thing.”

    Sorry, what? I miss something?

  84. “I’m finding the claims of Oath Keeper ignorance hard to swallow. I’m pretty sure they’ve been discussed in prior threads.”

    Is there any reason to think Spaz would be right about this? Unless it was from someone I generally skim or ignore.

  85. I was wrong, I found it in the yahoo feed.

    Oath Keepers have been in the news for quite a few years. I don’t know if they are authentic. Probably like many organizations they contain elements of their opposition. They are supposed to be all about defending the constitution.

  86. Ok I get that Biden is a gaffe factory. I know I can’t prove he has any brains at all. I know he’s played real loose with the truth during his career.

    But if you can watch the Colbert interview of Biden and still feel animosity toward this man, you just don’t have a heart.

    I’m not saying the man should be president. In fact I think his admission of still being pretty unhinged kinda disqualifies him from running. But that was an honest exchange between two men who have suffered terrible losses in their life.

    I wish Biden well.

  87. Apology to the women who visit here: things may get unpleasant here for the time being. I’m basically old fashioned. I employ a double standard. I try not to cuss at women and I try to be a gentleman. I’ve tried to be very civil with Muffy for a long time. In fact I once greatly respected her.

    I’m not banning her but she will get the treatment I give the guys here on steroids. I am truly fed up with the unprovoked ad hominems and other shit.

    So to Raji and Just a Lurker and to any other gals who visit here, if my treatment of Muffy henceforth offends you, I’m sorry. I hope you’ll stick around nevertheless.

  88. Rutherford, their ideology is taking over the world and killing me and you. Not so different then the Nazi’s.

    The “kill me and you” part means we never rest, nor forget.

    Fascism was an ideology. Shinto-militerism a religion. We destroyed it.

    They are actively trying to kill your daughter, man.

  89. Is there any reason to think Spaz would be right about this?

    Spaz is a derogatory applied to disabled people. It’s not appreciated.

    As for whom you skim or ignore, that would be folks whose views you don’t share. And very likely folks who don’t think conservatives walk on water will be skipped by you. Makes it kinda hard for you to be an effective contributor.

  90. They were at the Bundy ranch standoff.

    Yup, that’s them. Either blowhards or truly dangerous.

    As the broken clock remarked earlier the Oath Keepers and BLM deserve each other.

  91. They are actively trying to kill your daughter, man.

    And people accuse me of living in delusion. 🙄 Statistically, it doesn’t even come close to being a threat. Our legal health industry kills over 438 of us daily.

  92. “Statistically, it doesn’t even come close to being a threat”

    You are correct about that. But that’s not my point.

  93. Rabbit I’m not saying we should not fight every last one of them, if for no other reason our protection, but I am saying this defies the traditional rules of war.

    This ideology is not a political tool devised by a madman to enflame a beaten down people (a simplification of what Nazism was). This has its roots in centuries old scripture, misinterpreted on a broad geographic scale. I repeat, if they do not have a reformation we will never stop fighting. Nor should we. I just take issue with “the war hasn’t ended”. This is no classic war. This is a fight against a large criminal syndicate with religion as their playbook.

  94. Rabbit the more time I spend on this blog the more parallels I see between radical Islam and the “urban problem”. Our race problems will never be solved without a philosophical shift in the black community. The culture breeds failure. But cultural change is the HARDEST to bring about. That is why the radical Islam problem is so intractable. It involves a major culture shift.

    By the way, in both cases the sane ones are condemned for calling out the crazies.

  95. Radical neocons are a much bigger threat to humanity’s survival than radical Islam. Who is it doing all the killing from positions of safety? How many millions have been killed in our campaign against this hyped boogey man? Most of these spotlighted radicals aren’t even familiar with the tenets of their supposed faith. Domestically it’s proved 90 percent are provoked and incensed by our own fbi. More people are converting to Islam peacefully than any other faith right now. Maybe the other faiths’ examples don’t appear to merit any devotion, based entirely on their trotted out and known representatives.

  96. I don’t think we are necessarily are in disagreement.

    However, we are in a war no matter how distasteful the realities are to you. Just becuase its awful and might last a century (like many wars in the past) doesn’t change the reality.

  97. I think I’ve figured out why my grammar is so terrible of late. My spell check isn’t working correctly on this new Rom. I have to fix this.

  98. Pools I don’t want to be mistaken as condemning all of Islam any more than I’d condemn all of Christianity. But Islam has a problem no other religion has right now. They have an insanely violent contingent and whether provoked or not, they’ve got to clean up their act.

    Ideas spread faster than bullets. We’ll be shooting at them forever until they change their approach.

  99. Playing the disabled card just gives the race card a rest as far as I’m concerned.

    “Spaz is a derogatory applied to disabled people. It’s not appreciated.”

    Sorry I offended you. Spaz has got a wide range of uses – “inept” being the one applicable to my use of it in this instance. Your physical bag rarely if ever crosses my mind. Actually only when you bring it up.

    “As for whom you skim or ignore, that would be folks whose views you don’t share. And very likely folks who don’t think conservatives walk on water will be skipped by you. Makes it kinda hard for you to be an effective contributor.”

    It ought to be clear who I skim and ignore. More importantly why don’t you back up your passive aggressive charge about “finding the claims of Oath Keeper ignorance hard to swallow” then.

    Why don’t you give us some context for this while you’re at it –

    “We’ve read the same goddam foolish rhetoric from folks on this very blog. I get mocked when I call out the nonsense. I seriously question how many here are rooting for the Oath Keepers to take out McCain and Obama.

    The question here is do we have a board of pontificaters here or truly dangerous people who will follow assholes like Stewart Rhodes?”

    You’re being weird, Rutherford. I don’t care if you cuss at me. I gather your restraint was such an effort but it really is wasted effort. I mean if you cuss at me I’ll just cuss right back. No biggie.

    I swear you get more like poolman every day.

  100. By the way, in both cases the sane ones are condemned for calling out the crazies.

    It’s a modern day social disorder.

    Ideas spread faster than bullets. We’ll be shooting at them forever until they change their approach.

    Or until they match our propaganda power. Remember who controls the media?

  101. Why don’t you give us some context for this while you’re at it

    You don’t need to search long to find Rabbit expressing his hatred for leftists. Check out James’ many references to the slow bleed and the lefts desire for our soldiers to die.

    This blog is FAMOUS not for simple philosophical differences but for impugning the motives of the opposition.

  102. Poolman, Yes, I was thinking of Moon Unit or Dwezle’s child hoods. Moon and E Gordon Liddy debated foreign policy as a comedy routine for awhile in the early 1980’s.

    Not much has changed between left and right.

    This war has not just started. Both sides have been fighting off and on for over a thousand years. Charles Martel’s victory and the Siege of Venna were two notable battles.

  103. We are not impunging the motives of the other side. Rabbit and I are telling the truth.

    Rep Murtha spelled out the strategy. They could stop funding as Democrats did at the end of the Vietnam war, but it would make them look unpatriotic. Better strategy was that they would enforce such tight rules that it would be hard to maintain military strength, and Democrats would describe their restrictions as helping keep soldiers safe. If they opposed the surge, the implication was that more soldiers would die, and it would help Democrats in the next election.

    I watched Nancy Pelosi debate a Republican. She said if Republicans didn’t agree with Democrats they didn’t care about our troops.

    If Democrats really believed the line they were preaching, they were too stupid to be running parts of the government, and they are too stupid to win any votes now.

    Of course, our current foreign and domestic conditions make me wonder if I was giving them too much credit ten years ago.

  104. “You don’t need to search long to find Rabbit expressing his hatred for leftists. Check out James’ many references to the slow bleed and the lefts desire for our soldiers to die.”

    Well that explains why we didn’t know what the fuck you were blathering about. That’s the problem with passive aggressive invective.The other problem with it is, well, it’s passive aggressive. Yuck.

    I await you backing up your charge that “the claims of Oath Keeper ignorance [are] hard to swallow.”

  105. Or until they match our propaganda power. Remember who controls the media?

    You do know that ISIL are masters at social media don’t you? I don’t think lack of propaganda is their problem.

  106. Giuliani, who usually bothers me, well expressed what Rabbit has been saying. I paraphrase: “we can’t treat this like Pearl Harbor. The threat of 9/11 is still with us.”

    While I object to reliving this every year, I get the point that we can’t quite relegate it to history yet. Not until folks stop acting out “death to America”.

  107. You do know that ISIL are masters at social media don’t you? I don’t think lack of propaganda is their problem.

    I see. So household knowledge of them circumvented main stream media? They are masters of self promotion then. Maybe you should take note and self promote. Stage a few kitchen disasters and threaten a few domestic cats. Do you really believe what you wrote?

  108. I do believe folks are being recruited via social media. Now I do wonder about the sanity of someone who flies to Syria on the strength of a tweet or FB post but that’s another story.

  109. Is there anybody that isn’t aware social media platforms like fb are constructs of the information gathering agencies and used extensively in data mining?

  110. Ha! They took in too much money and have to give $50,000,000 back to tax payers.

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/09/08/pot-revenue-is-so-high-in-colorado-state-will-have-to-reimburse-taxpayers/

    What’s especially funny about this situation, is how the money-grubbing politicians in Colorado are reacting to the news. Neither political party wants to give up the money, and lawmakers are currently working on a bipartisan bill that would ask the voters if they can keep their loot. I guess there’s only one issue that is guaranteed to unite Republicans and Democrats, and that is taking more money from the public.

  111. Just bought wife and I tickets to see these guys. Pretty excited. This music hits me in the feels. Last winter I would wake up and run to this concert every morning I didn’t play basketball. Ran so much I broke my foot. I also seem to quaff alot of ale to it. Makes me want to pillage Sami villages.

  112. “The root problem with the war on terror and I’ve said this before is it will NEVER end. We push Al Qaeda off a bit and up sprouts ISIL.

    YOU CANNOT KILL AN IDEOLOGY!! It can only die by change within. Whether we like it or not we are at the whim of Muslim reform. If the reform doesn’t happen, the fight will never end.”

    It will never end because we arent committed to killing it.

    Radical Islam is the global enemy, and it won’t die unless its killed. Reformation wont kill it. The rest of the world wont kill it because some are for it openly and others secretly, and still others are too weakened to stand up to it like the world (most of it) took on the Nazis.

    The parallels to the “urban problem” are really to BLM and the political radicalism fueling it. The “urban problem” has been hijacked by a political ideology that actually could be defeated from within by a reformation (but it isnt going to happen.

  113. Reformation wont kill it.

    I beg to differ. When the silent moderates rise up and say “cut the shit. It ain’t cool to chop off heads and fly planes into buildings. That’s NOT how we honor Allah.” And then they back up the rhetoric by cutting the tumor out of their own leg, we won’t need to drone them anymore.

    Cultural change can’t be forced by outsiders. On the parallel path, a sick and weakened black culture is ripe for hijacking by BLM and it’s dumb white-guilt supporters. And again when more women like that Ferguson YouTube sensation (Pamela something?) speak out and folks WITHIN demand a culture change, that is when things will get better.

    I’m not 100% on board with Dr. Ben Carson but his racial rhetoric is right on the money. (He spoke in Ferguson today and suggested that – GASP – blacks stop killing EACH OTHER.)

  114. “I’m finding the claims of Oath Keeper ignorance hard to swallow. I’m pretty sure they’ve been discussed in prior threads.”

    I don’t recall ever seeing it as a topic. I don’t even know what the fuck it is. Hard to care. But Rutherford as usual has it right I’m in favor of them killing Obama and McCain. 🙄

    Hey, it’s your blog. Why not do a term search and remind us of the evil we embraced?

  115. Oh. Here it is. It was you Rutherford. And of course your MSNBC.

    “Tea Party men guarded her business to prevent any more robberies.” -James

    “If you’re referring to The Oath Keepers, yes MSNBC covered them. But not positively.”

    Rutherford , August 13, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    “No Rutherford, not the Oath Keepers. These people were members of the St Louis Tea Party. Some of them were black.

    They organized a buycot to help businesses damaged by the riots. Some of them or a related group returned to Ferguson after the latest riots and helped one of the women who’s business had been robbed a second time.

    I’m not surprised they slipped out of the news fit to print.”

    James , August 13, 2015 at 6:02 pm

  116. “Sheeeeut, I don’t know who’s more eclectic musically, Rabbit or James. And to think I thought myself the big shot for liking Alice Cooper AND The Gipsy Kings.”

    They just find shit out of Seattle. Nothing of notoriety comes out of Seattle.

  117. Why not do a term search and remind us of the evil we embraced?

    Exactly what I plan to do. Can’t do it from my phone app. When I get some time at the PC I shall search.

  118. Tigre found one instance but I believe there are others.

    By the way you’re putting words in my mouth again. You’re conflating two things. I said you folks have heard of them. I also said they represent a rhetoric expressed by some here. I DID NOT SAY that anyone here explicitly supported them by name.

  119. Actually it was a good find. Tigre proved my point that the Oath Keepers were mentioned here before and so recently that no one here should be claiming they never heard of them.

    Someone (James?) brought up our discussion of the Bundy ranch. That is most likely where I’ll find more goodies.

  120. “Yup 😐”

    Burp.

    Oh. That Oath Keepers. The one you brought up from MSNBC that’s rhetorically proximate to something else on MSNBC.

    Well. You got me. That’s for sure. Been lying all along. I speak of them frequently, as does everyone else here.

  121. Rutherford you mentioning them to James especially having originated with MsNBC – easily as zealous as any other extremist org steeped in vitriolic rhetoric – doesnt mean it registered with the rest of us. I can easily see how I could have missed that exchange. I would have burned rubber getting past that.

    Now in all sincerity did poolman come in your window at night and bite you?

  122. stop reliving it each and every goddam year. – R –

    I don’t relive it, I remember it. I remember the tattered, photocopied pictures of husbands. wives, children, placed on the chicken wire by people asking for information about their loved ones like lost dogs. I remember strangers holding hands as they jumped into oblivion, 100 stories up. I remember walking silent halls, seeing friends with bloodshot eyes and shiny cheeks, giving them their space, knowing they had just spent the last ten minutes in the bathroom sobbing. I don’t watch the tv-news-magazine regurgitations. I look within myself, to the core of what I know it means to be human and attempt to understand the arrogance that makes people think they have the right to slaughter other humans simply for the way they think.

    I don’t relive that day. I don’t EVER want to relive that day. That’s why I remember that day.

  123. Thor well said. I think it’s the media coverage that bothers me. I don’t think we need a reminder because we will never forget.

    Our parents remember where they were when they heard about Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy assassination. I will never forget where I was when the first plane hit.

  124. We should be at full war with ISIS right now. The coward president allows them to grow so that more of our sons die tomorrow. He doesn’t remember 911, that’s for sure. The entire Caliphate should be on fire. Make the hell so bad nobody dare capitulate to these sadistic fucks.

    We are afraid of anarchy? It’s already there!

    They are the ones who took the towers down.

    Enough!

    I haven’t talked to a Marine or Sailor who doesn’t want to put it on the line them to destroy them.

  125. Good explanation, Thor.

    The Bundy case was more nuanced than I originally thought, but it is still representative of what the government and others do to people who get in the way. If he made racist statements, he was no worse than Al Sharpton or other race baiters who get away with it.

    Donald Trump and the government tried to force a woman from her home to accommodate his gambling casino.

    More importantly, the state of Iowa stole over 600 acres of land from our family and neighbors for a conservation project. They later used the precedent to steal more land in the Iowa Great Lakes. The family and neighbors had paid property taxes for over thirty years, and we didn’t even get that back.

    The man in charge came for an inspection, Our neighbor, the only one who lived near the property aimed a loaded shot gun at the man and his crew. He told him if he ever returned, our neighbor would kill him. The officials left and never returned.

    I think the Bureau of Land Management is behaving the same cautious way. Bundy and the locals make them nervous. It is good when the government fears it citizens instead of the other way around.

    This year, Bundy still has his land and his cattle. The Bureau of Land Management has done or said nothing about the dispute and the million or so dollars they say he owes the government.

    So no apology over Bundy.

  126. I agree with rabbit. Obama has mismanaged what he inherited and made it worse as millions of people are killed or dislocated.

    I think the Foo Fighters, Nirvanna, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Pearl Jam, Quincy Jones, and Robert Cray have Seattle connections. I could be wrong about those people.

    The Dandy Warhols come from neighboring Portland, but they have degenerated into a cult band. They may deserve it. Zia said she voted for Obama because he would make the world better.

  127. @James I cannot and will never agree with your take on Cliven “Give me my free shit” Bundy.
    He is not representative of a free and strong America. He is not the polar opposite of the sitting administration and other arrogant bureaucrats. He is their kin. Zipper down,piss on the rule of law and shroud oneself in the cloak of American exceptionalism.
    He is a disgrace.

  128. There is a degree of perspective that the MSM has done a grave disservice to the general public regards ISIL.
    We talk about their land-mass and are shocked. We never really come to grips that most of the maps hold vast areas of wasteland.
    We sadly have no real plan or real will to tackle them,even though we say we do. I will say this though people who hate on the US current position should be ashamed of themselves. The US needs badly to stop trying to be Officer Friendly,global cop. When Turkey,Saudi Arabia and Jordan move sizable assets against them,then I’ll be on board for some kid,including my own,risking their life. Right now the only folks really getting it right are the Kurds,Russians and Iranians.

  129. One angle of the migration thing that isn’t getting the honest play it deserves is that it all is a shocking sign of massive regional destabilization.
    You can’t drain off a chunk of people that are amongst those best suited to help a country and think that country is going to be ok.
    Some hysterics speak of the North African and Middle East/Southwest Asia migration thing as being an organized Muslim invasion. They all want to get their Martel on.
    I think the truth of it is that these people (migrants) recognize the abject failure of their home countries and that if someone somewhere was thinking straight they’d see the great opportunity at hand.
    Oh wait a minute per my earlier comment,the Russians and Iranians and Kurds have……

  130. You are entitled to your opinion. However, the facts are not what you have heard. In 2014, the Oregonian wrote “BLM won’t back up claim rancher owes $1Million,” Bundy said he had not even been billed.

    Oregon cattle ranchers operating on leased land were interviewed, and they said they couldn’t understand how Bundy could accrue such a debt. The BLM diligently collects owed lease payments.

    The Bureau refused to document the basis for charging Bundy so much money. Bundy said the Bureau had said he owed $300,000 before the public attempt to evict him. The, the bill rose. The BLM won a court order in 1998 but did little to evict Bundy. At that time, they charged him $20,000 for counting the cattle. He refused to pay.

    In 2013, the BLM told a federal judge that they were not pursuing any damages if the judge approved of their taking possession of the cattle. Then, they changed their goals.

    The Clark County sherrif initially agreed to round up the cattle, but he changed his mind after he learned the BLM had also lied to him.

    The Oregonian asked the BLM to provide documented basis for their charges, but as of 2014 the agency had refused.

    As long as our elites and elected officials can choose which laws to obey, I claim the same for the rest of us. The Justice Department says Hillary had the right to delete her e mails. They had no reason to believe Hillary was not “honest and forthright” so they can take her word for her decision to delete e mails. Nixion’s two hour tape gap was also an honest mistake, I am sure.

    I don’t like the double standards we see, so imperfect as he is, more power to Bundy,

  131. I agree the migration has economic components. Many of the people fleeing had good jobs and lived in the middle class. Their countries need them.

    However, the West and Islam have been at sporatic war for over a thousand years. Jihadists will use these refugees to destabilize their host countries.

    Women of a sect considered to be almost pagen have been fighting ISIS Husbands and fathers have been murdered, and their homes destroyed. Kurdish women are also fighting. They have an advantage because Muslims believe being killed by a woman is a disgrace lasting into the after life.

    The women complain that they are not receiving much help, especially not from our current bombing attacks.

  132. Bundy is a court case loaded with documentation. The inept aspects of the BLM are not really relevant since the judgements are in good standing.
    Never bemoan a ghetto bird James as long as you even remotely support Cliven Free shit Bundy.

  133. I’ve been pondering the title of your latest blog post. It appears to me that most of us who post on this blog are mental masturbators seeking pleasure from the written word regardless of the effect those words might have on another. Some are just more sadistic than others.

  134. 9/11 will eventually take a back seat in history just like Pearl Harbor. If you were alive in either decade that will determine how much the event is remembered. The main issue with each event was the wake up call that we are and can be vulnerable.

  135. I remember what the state did to us. The territory looks familiar. Documentation can lie or mislead as it did in our case. Afterword someone told my father “find a crooked lawyer who golfs with the judge”.

    Something seems fishy about the Bundy case.

    Until everyone lives by the same rules and the Bureau of Land Management explains itself, hooray for Bundy.

  136. Ragi, I lost my innocence the night I woke with a knife on my throat.I never really felt safe again.

    So many things have happened that as each season ends I assume I will be here for the next, but I live as though it is my last. Anyone could shoot up the next mall I visit. Many people I knew were in Nordstroms in Omaha when so many were killed.

    Or, another train could hit our car.

    I still feel bad for the people who died in the 911 and other attacks. I think about them and their survivors’ pain. I remember where I was, and I know it could be me or someone I know next time.

    But today, I am still alive, and I make the most of it.

  137. It is good when the government fears it citizens instead of the other way around.

    I had to contemplate this one for a bit but I think I agree with you James. It’s the only antidote to tyranny.

    However, there must also be mutual respect. The government is not always wrong.

  138. So many things have happened that as each season ends I assume I will be here for the next, but I live as though it is my last.

    Exactly. I think that is where I am. Make the most of the moment. Don’t fear the reaper. Fight for justice and don’t be afraid to speak truth to power. The Bundy case was used by media to pit civilians against the state. It gave ammo to both sides. The end result fuels the divide issue concocted in the minds of moguls intent on feeding from their masters from our emotionally charged frequencies. The pattern has been established and is their dogma du jour.

    The past is there to examine and learn from. History does not indicate that we learn from our past on a collective level. Instead we continually repeat the same patterns of mistake. Key to understanding the reason these events occur is in the examination of the trails and patterns they present both before and afterward. Every investigator knows money is often motive for crime.

    Always follow the money.

    It is easier to trace than an ideology. It more concretely defines evidence.

  139. Damn do we repeat ourselves. Now I still have to lookup Oath Keepers but I know sure as hell that we’ve been through this Seattle band discussion before.

    It reminds me of two elderly men who sit on the park bench everyday and discuss the same stuff as if it were the first time. 😄

  140. My typos and bad grammar have become embarrassment.

    Eh get over it. We all speak fluent typo. I’ve been trying in vain to get Tex Taylor to stop posting corrections all the time.

    In fact almost every time I type fucking on this iPhone it autocorrects to ducking. I may just say ducking from now on.

  141. BLM won’t back up claim rancher owes $1Million

    I first read that as Black Lives Matter and whaaaat? Then I slapped my head and realized Bureau of Land Management. 😂😂😂😂😂

  142. However, there must also be mutual respect. The government is not always wrong.

    Mutual respect is not a word I would use to define a citizen’s relationship with their government. The governed in our country are supposed to be the governing. We are far from that as it is a corporation operating with other corporations to exploit us for gain. This isn’t the country we have been sold. Our institutions are monuments to corruption whose inhabitants operate with impunity, ostracizing any who question their conduct. We only get glimpses of the rot before the media’s magicians serve fresh tasty bits of emotionally charged controversy, prepared for the fear frenzy fan.

    This government is always wrong, Rutherford. We should all know how wrong before we continue to let it have its way and continue in its present trajectory to destroy us and the entire planet. Right now it is inciting a new world war. Far from defense, we are an empire. Look at our global footprint and deny it. Believe it when your president tells you there are more than 50 states. Believe it when he does not respect any sovereign borders including our own and that his reach is global. Actions certainly tell the story better than words. We have seen change, but it wasn’t what we hoped.

  143. The desire for power sometimes amazes me.

    I’m Assad and I walk into my office and get my daily briefing. “Mr. President, another thousand people fled the country yesterday.”

    And I say “Pfffft”.

    Sorry I don’t get that. How does my lust for power override my loyalty toward my own countrymen?

    It doesn’t even make sense. I’m actually losing the population over which I have power. So as a power play, it’s self defeating.

  144. Never bemoan a ghetto bird James as long as you even remotely support Cliven Free shit Bundy.

    It’s one reason why complaints about welfare queens (almost always targeted toward blacks) fall on deaf ears with me. These complainers almost never talk about corporate welfare or cheats like Cliven.

  145. “9/11 will eventually take a back seat in history just like Pearl Harbor”?

    How can you make that claim when Radical Islam is still at war with America?

  146. Thanks Rutherford and Poolman. I agree we need mutual respect and the government often deserves the benefit of the doubt just as we do.

    BLM. I guess it can also mean Black Lives Matter. Ha Ha!

    We are dog sitting today, but it will be time to return home soon. On Monday, we will be back. Our son and daughter in law bought us a tablet, and we are practicing with it.

    Our toddler grand daughter will not know we have it. When her other grand parents came for their shift nine days ago, our grand daughter said “Grandma Tablet!!!”

  147. I’ve been pondering the title of your latest blog post. …

    LOL Raji I love that comment. Yes we have our share of bloviators. Funny thing is we know we are not going to change anyone’s mind here so, yes, to some extent we’re just writing to marvel at our own supposed profundities. 😀

  148. The desire for power sometimes amazes me.

    I don’t think you or I have the capacity to understand what goes on in the mind of people who are responsible for the well being of a nation, let alone its peoples. I don’t think trivializing it helps. Who is it that shapes our image of these individuals and are they unbiased in their assessments? Western media is not at all impartial or without censorship.

    The world looks much different through a non western lens. How can you stand for democracy and yet not support democratic ideals? Reads like hypocrisy.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/04/bashar-al-assad-winds-reelection-in-landslide-victory

  149. “There is a degree of perspective that the MSM has done a grave disservice to the general public regards ISIL.
    We talk about their land-mass and are shocked. We never really come to grips that most of the maps hold vast areas of wasteland.”

    Not sure what point you’re making. Personally I’m concerned about masses of people being wiped out and a great many of the rest being forced to live under horrifying conditions.

    Are my concerns are unfounded?

    “We sadly have no real plan or real will to tackle them,even though we say we do.”

    We agree.

    “I will say this though people who hate on the US current position should be ashamed of themselves. The US needs badly to stop trying to be Officer Friendly,global cop. When Turkey,Saudi Arabia and Jordan move sizable assets against them,then I’ll be on board for some kid,including my own,risking their life.”

    What IS the US current position?

    I’m not saying the US needs to be world cop. I’m saying that radical Islam doesn’t need change. They won’t stop killing with counceling, or with jobs, or a hug. That’s not a strategy for dealing with radical Islam.

    We have no strategy. We are being lied to about the effort and the effects. If by some chance we’re being told the truth we would have no reason to expect that. We have been lied to and lied to and lied to. This administration is a brood of vipers.

    “Right now the only folks really getting it right are the Kurds,Russians and Iranians.”

    No idea what that means.

  150. . I’m saying that radical Islam doesn’t need change. They won’t stop killing with counceling, or with jobs, or a hug.

    Would you at least agree that moderate Muslims killing radical Muslims is more effective than non-Muslims doing the job? I submit when we kill Muslims we alienate Muslims across the ideological spectrum.

  151. Rutherford, your judgments and opinions are made based on western media’s presentation of fiction and fact. If Karzai is the person you say he is, why then was he the one put where he was and given the authority he was given? I have heard that he has been on our payroll for decades. What would be his motivation to lie at this stage of the game?

  152. Rutherford, the world doesn’t make sense in the way you concoct it. I am solution driven and always have been. I need to know the nuts and bolts, torques and specifications. I cannot help it. It is my nature.

  153. All I know is Karzai bad mouthed our country after we propped him up and lost lives and treasure trying to deliver his country from the Stone Age.

    Under my vanquish the enemy edict several comments ago, we SHOULD have turned Afghanistan into a large parking lot. And when we were through, we should have done the same to Riyadh to thank them for supplying most of the 18 hijackers.

  154. you’re looking through the wrong lens. Assad believes he is the ruler of a nation that has been plunged into civil war by outside forces.
    It is not so much that he is addicted to power,he is trapped by the belief he=Syria and that both must prevail.

  155. So two things:

    Why is there not one legislator willing to go to jail and reveal to us the content of the 28 pages. How they can look in a camera and tell us we are being deceived and then do nothing to rectify it is beyond me. They are cowards and they disgrace the memory of the 3000+ who died 14 years ago.

    Second we are as bad as any junkie who would rob and kill his own grandmother for a fix. We are oil whores.

    I’d like to know why Rabbit and Alfie and some others here are not demanding Saudi Arabia be brought to justice.

  156. Rutherford, the Missouri River undulated like a snake until the river was stabilized. My aunt, for example paid taxes like a Sami who sometimes paid taxes to three different countries. As such, she paid property taxes to Nebraska and Iowa for the same tract of land.

    Our part of the Missouri River gradually shifted west and the extra land accrued to our original holdings. The state recognized it as our family land and took our tax money. The status quo lasted thirty to fifty years.

    A few weeks after my great aunt’s funeral the state sued the landowners with the claim that they had never owned the land, because the state owned everything to the center of the river within the channel. However, the channel had changed location at least forty years earlier. The area the state claimed was the river to mark state ownership was dry most of the time, even in the spring.

    My father hired a photographer to show the actual appearance. It was largely a wilderness area which mushroom hunters sometimes got lost in. My father also hired a surveyor.

    The landowners’ lawyer presented the evidence, and the judge dozed off. He ruled that the evidence was incorrect and invalid or something to that effect. I was in college and heard this second hand.

    The judge ruled that the 600 acres belonged to the state of Iowa and always had. The land owners got nothing, not even a thank you.

    One of the court employees told my father “you just got screwed” and offered his comment about crooked lawyers and judges.

    The state turned it into a wild life preserve.

    Our family and neighbors owned other land in the vicinity. It was virgin forest, but fear of another take over led all of the families to bulldoze it all into farm land.

    We had another 160 acres which was cleared of just enough trees to classify it as grass land, and we grazed cattle there in the summer.

    If this was truely Iowa’s land, the state shouldn’t have collected taxes for several generations. They could have least refunded our property taxes.

    Years later, a similar situation developed when a Nebraska Indian tribe sued to get land on the Iowa side of the river north of us so they could build a casino. The casino is there, but I don’t know if landowners were paid. I assume they were.

    Most of the principals are dead now, but in their day, the best way to start a heated conversation was to mention the land deal.

  157. The state turned it into a wild life preserve.

    Well that may be some small consolation at least. Thanks for the explanation James. Without hearing the opposing narrative it does indeed sound like your family got robbed. Damn shame.

  158. People are loyal, Rutherford, but to whom do they swear loyalty? Our leaders are not loyal to we the people, rather loyal to the corporations they serve. That loyalty often extends beyond the boundaries of our land. To believe they don’t work together for global purpose is in the least naive. To think they do not collectively desire a scapegoat, a common enemy for us to project our mounting suffering, anger, and angst toward is not sound psychological calculation. Deflection is something we all understand. Controlled chaos provides the template. Like this isis crisis…

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/video-shows-man-with-alleged-links-to-canada-spy-agency-help-girls-go-to-syria/article23447143/

    …soon to be isis immigration crisis. The notion is already the potion for this motion.

  159. @ Muffy let me try to hit all the points as it were.

    ISIL is constantly represented as having a land mass akin to Great Britain. This isn’t honest and fails to capture the scale of the true problem. What ISIL does control is a select number of cities and towns. In most cases they have semi allied entities with them usually in the form of Sunni’s. In one case,Mosul Iraq they have managed to keep a majority of the population in the city. It is believed 5-6k ISIL militants are essentially controlling a population of about 100k. Mosul has never been under control by anyone other than militants.
    Does this mean they are not a problem? Of course not but if you want to fight them perhaps you should understand the situation first. This is part of the no plan parcel.

    When I say WE I mean the current administration and every single GOP candidate for President and every single GOP lawmaker and of course every right wing nut moron who thinks we have unlimited options available.
    Obama has selected air strikes and limited logistical support to sporadic elements.
    Most on the right firmly believe ISIL is America’s problem to solve. If not else everyone seems to be raging against Obama’s failure to lead.
    As I said if Saudi Arabia and Turkey,two of the largest militaries in the region want to get some assets deployed I’m all for that. They need to do more than the USA does.
    The next player is of course Iraq. I don’t care which POTUS anyone wants to blame for the destabilization and delegitimization of that country the facts on the ground are clear. Iraq via the Baghdad government is not up to the challenge of attacking an entity they greatly outnumber and out power. Again I don’t accept it is up to the USA to single handedly prop up Baghdad and have Americans die there.
    Enter Iran. Via their own forces and proxies such as Hezbollah and local Shiite militants the Iranians have reversed ISIL gains. They have done this in Iraq and Syria and will easily do the same in Lebanon.
    The Kurds are committed to their lands and if the airstrikes could be ticked up would continue their gains. The flip side of that is knowing the Kurds are in this for the Kurds. Not Iraq. The US wants a unified Iraq.
    The Kurds,Iranians and Russians are involved in Syria as well. Again they stand in opposition to US policy there,specifically the whole Assad issue. Saudi’s and Turks want him gone ergo so does the US. It is a stupid decision. A stupid decision this Administration and again every GOP hamster on the wheel is committed to too.

  160. And appreciating that comment is rather long…. As for a plan to confront radical Islam. The US has had a plan for some time. It did not change with Oval occupant and I see no reason to believe its going to change with the next one.
    By government definition “radical” Islam is a misnomer. The thought of a separation of Islam and government is a non starter outside of those countries that can actually offer some level of secularism secondary to history and population.
    Other than that I am honestly at a loss of what lies we’ve been told. Please feel free to enlighten.

  161. Muslims as well as Christians consider themselves under religious rule first, even when operating in a secular society. Problems arise when learned tenets of their faith negatively affect those secular societies. You may offer a mythical separation, but the mind of a true convert only processes life one way.

  162. Yes, Rutherford, the land’s being a wilderness area is some consolation. Five siblings owned the 160 acre pasture land. No one could agree on how to divide it, so they sold the land to Iowa, and it became part of the preserve.

    Assessing blame for our failures is important to me for the historical record. That is all it will matter, but future generations and our own need to know what happened to maybe avoid similar mistakes.

    Yes, the Kurds want a unified Kurdistan. Several neighbors don’t want it to happen.

    Europe is cracking. Different histories, cultures and wealth are showing. One protester said “The Syrians dress better than we.” ISIS says they are using the migrants to destroy Europe. They probably are sending potential terrorists and will recruit more, but they needn’t do much yet. Europeans may do it to themselves.

  163. How many theocracies do you think exist?

    I’m gathering from your question that you think my question was rhetorical which it wasn’t.

    I may have misunderstood you but I inferred that you were saying a roadblock to defeating radical Islam is its fusion to government. That would suggest Islamist countries are radical. I would think an Islamist country ruled by a moderate Muslim government presents no threat to anyone.

    Maybe I muddied the water by including “theocracy” in my question.

    P.S. I would call Iran, for instance, a theocracy because the dude making the bottom line decisions is their religious leader, not their “elected” political leader.

  164. Thanks for the clarification Alfie.

    I thought it obvious that the US going it alone was undesirable and that other countries should do more than the US. I don’t want to see Obama lead. I want to see him give a fuck. I also see this administration as discouraging to other countries in the fight. I see Obama as fuzzy on the enemy. James Foley gets separated from his head and Obama’s lectures us about about it. Obama’s enemies are Americans, specifically the opposing political party.

    As for the lies… really?

  165. Rutherford many people insist that Islam is not just religion. They believe it is a form of government. That just kind of flies in the face of a lot reason.
    Radical is very much a relevant term. Radical as per government policy is a misnomer. The US clearly looks at other terms when it comes to Islam. Secularists,Modernists,Traditionalists & Fundamentalists are some categories.Also we’ve had two ,perhaps three administrations who stress terms such as jihadists. This is important since some of our potential allies come to this conclusion often. For example over in the M.E. ISIL is called Daesh. This is actually an insulting term as I understand it. Also the Iranians for example stress the Daesh term and refer to them further as Takfiri,this means they hate them so much they have declared them non Muslims. Go figure the Muslim nation that finally denounces kooks is….wait for it….a freaking theocracy.

    Further there is no such thing as a “moderate” Muslim government per se. There are those nations and governments who not as a measure of their Islam bona fides but by their decisions to be in the world govern the way they do.For example Indonesia.
    Iran and Saudi Arabia are theocracies btw.

  166. As for the lies… really?

    Well sadly ….yeah. Mostly because I have a different opinion than others on some and that on the whole score card kind of thing I’ve honestly lost count of what is and isn’t considered one.

  167. “Now I still have to lookup Oath Keepers but I know sure as hell that we’ve been through this Seattle band discussion before.”

    Yeah. Not long ago you said nothing of note musically came out of Seattle. Then we all took turns listing them.

    Now, I’m waiting on your Oath Keepers. It is your lame attempt at guilt by association without an association, MSNBC Boy.

  168. “Go figure the Muslim nation that finally denounces kooks is….wait for it….a freaking theocracy.”

    Actually it figures really easily. The Shi’ite State doesn’t seem to think the Sunni stink beards aren’t on God’s side. I’m not sure I see your point.

  169. @Alfie,

    This was my comment -“We have no strategy. We are being lied to about the effort and the effects. If by some chance we’re being told the truth we would have no reason to expect that. We have been lied to and lied to and lied to.”

    I wasn’t just talking strictly about the lies regarding radical Islamic aggression but just those relevant lies go back to AC having been decimated (without quibbling about what he says he meant and how the qualifiers developed), the Benghazi video lie, ISIS is not Islamic, the beheading and attempted second beheading in OKlahoma charged as a race based hate crime, workplace violence in Fort Hood, Beau Bergdahl served with honor and distinction, the claim that Bush lied people died to justify defecting from Iraq after both Obama admin Sec of State’s with access to the same intel voted to authorize the invasion, blood for oil, if we left Iraq the terrorists would leave too, that fighting terrorists produces them (Rutherford just said something along these lines himself, depending on what he means by “alienate”), the Muslim Brotherhood was secular (which they later corrected)……I mean the reality never matches the narrative and as such nothing they say can be trusted. They can’t discern right from wrong. That’s why they aren’t even embarrassed when they get busted.

    Those are just the lies about radical Islamic aggression that I can think of right now.

  170. Yeah. Not long ago you said nothing of note musically came out of Seattle. Then we all took turns listing them.

    Yeah you remember that one correctly. Actually I cited Heart and Nirvana.

    What I SHOULD have said was, based on a Dave Grohl doc I watched, that the Seattle music scene was isolated and to make it big, you had to leave Seattle.

  171. @Alfie – re: Islam is a form of government. I’m not sure I can unravel what is your point, but religion has delved in governance for a very long time in a variety of religions. That’s nothing new. It’s a waste of time to talk about religious governance, because it’s been tried, and it invariably leads to bloodshed. I N V A R I A B L Y.

    Of all the great insights your Founding Fathers had, that one was the most important. The US govt’s divorcing Church from State has undoubtedly saved hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives, and anybody who wants to experiment with bringing the church back into the govt in any form in any amount is a damn fool.

  172. Pools: “Muslims as well as Christians consider themselves under religious rule first, even when operating in a secular society. Problems arise when learned tenets of their faith negatively affect those secular societies. You may offer a mythical separation, but the mind of a true convert only processes life one way.”

    And that is why God made jail cells. If you don’t believe it, ask the thrice-divorced-but-nonetheless-sanctimonious Kentucky clerk. Make no mistake about it, Caesar will have his renderings FIRST.

  173. The difference is Islam very plainly claims to be a political system.

    Where? I’m not being a wise-ass. In the chicken egg debate I don’t know if Sharia law was a by-product of Islam or an integral feature. If you do, please share.

  174. Rutherford – how do you feel about nuclear weapons as a cure for theocracy?

    You’d have to elaborate. Nukes in the hands of a theocracy seems like a recipe for disaster. Nukes as a method to remove a theocracy (or any other population) seems immoral.

    I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be viewed as the first and last time any country uses nuclear weaponry.

    I’m not being Pollyannish. I get so frustrated with FP that I’d very much like to drop nukes on every country that hasn’t yet emerged from the Stone Age in terms of human rights, etcetera. But just cos I’m tempted doesn’t mean it’s not immoral.

    Shit, I’m a bit tempted to nuke some of our failed cities and start over. 😈

  175. BTW, I wrote to Tex. No answer yet. If he does write any of you privately, just let the rest of us know he’s ok.

    Normally I wouldn’t give it a second thought but his leaves of absence are usually preceded by a BIG blow up and I don’t feel the last exchange qualified.

  176. And may that Being who is supreme over all, the Patron of Order, the Fountain of Justice, and the Protector in all ages of the world of virtuous liberty, continue His blessing upon this nation and its Government and give it all possible success and duration consistent with the ends of His providence. John Adams,2nd President of the USA Innagural Speech

  177. Adams is an odd bird. I seem to recall reading a quote by him that bragged about separation of church and state. I’d have to go find it but it gets referenced by every secular gov lover.

  178. Haven’t even looked yet Tigre but I’m an honest broker. If I find it, I’ll post it. If I don’t, I’ll concede that you found the only instance.

    But I’ll repeat … you already proved my point. It was not only mentioned, it was mentioned recently. I will also repeat that I NEVER said anyone here directly defended the Oath Keepers. Go back and read my response to Huck. I said folks here have used similar verbiage to that of the OK founder.

  179. “But I’ll repeat … you already proved my point. It was not only mentioned, it was mentioned recently. I will also repeat that I NEVER said anyone here directly defended the Oath Keepers. Go back and read my response to Huck. I said folks here have used similar verbiage to that of the OK founder.”

    No. No I haven’t.

    And your point, that we use the same “verbiage” is still one you have yet to prove.

    Go on, honest broker. So far you’r off to a bad start, especially on the “honest” part.

  180. R, you’ve used similar verbiage to that of Louis Farrakhan, did you know that? And the Nation of Islam has been mentioned in the past too.

    I now see how this works.

  181. R, you’ve used similar verbiage to that of Louis Farrakhan,

    I was going to protest that but then I thought “yeah, I probably have.”

    As for Nation of Islam, I’d be shocked if anyone here plead ignorance about its existence.

  182. My typos and bad grammar have become embarrassment. – DR

    Not to be an ass, but your lament about typos has a typo in it. 🙂

    The Seattle music exchange started when I mentioned I was going to see Heart back in July.
    One of my brothers once lived on the same cul-de-sac as a member of Paul Revere and the Raiders.

    I’m glad to hear that Tex is fine.

    Sweden is helping Syrian refugees. Go E.T.! Turkey has been taking in Syrian refugees for years. The majority of Gulf nations, including our “friends” the Saudi’s, are being complete assholes about taking in refugees.

    “QATAR, the UNITED ARAB EMIRATES and SAUDI ARABIA are increasingly criticized by rights organizations, which say the wealthy Persian Gulf countries have not offered to take in even one Syrian refugee. The nations have contributed to humanitarian aid, some generously.”

    http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-migrants-scorecard-20150908-story.html

  183. Not seeing much national coverage of this Jewish guy who posed as an Islamist and encouraged attacks against 9/11 memorials and other western targets. And this isn’t some Poolman-level conspiracy shit. It’s the real deal.

    The arrest report says he called for attacks on the Garland Texas Mohammad Art exhibit before those attacks took place (page 6) and he claims that he had inspired them (page 7). The report says all variations of the names calling for that attack go back to the same individual (page 11). We won’t ever know for sure if this guy did actually inspire that attack because they guys who did it were killed. But I don’t think it is at all out of the realm of possibility after what I just read.

    Anyone heard any comments from Pamela Geller on that? Didn’t think so.

    The report goes on to show that he gave instructions to people on how to build bombs (page 17) and discussed various targets for them—including 9/11 memorials (pages 19-23). He even got into details about shrapnel and rat poison (page 23-24). After he was arrested, he admitted to all of this and claimed he intended for the bomb-maker to blow himself up, or that he would alert authorities and be credited for stopping an attack (page 32-33).

    Be sure to read the entire Aussie news piece. Near the bottom it goes into all of the other “hoaxes” this guy has been involved in.

  184. Huck I’m guessing this is the same story Poolman posted much further up in the thread. You actually gave Poolman some credibility. 🙂

    I’m sure our media will be all over this one. I haven’t seen it in the yahoo feed yet.

    The FBI arrested a 20-year-old American Jewish man for posing as an Islamic State extremist, calling for terrorist attacks, claiming to be planning attacks in Australia and the United States, and providing information on bomb construction to a second party. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the same man, who it named as Florida resident Joshua Ryne Goldberg, also posed as a respected Australian lawyer in April to maliciously post a racist blog post on The Times of Israel.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/florida-jew-arrested-for-posing-as-online-jihadist-encouraging-terrorism/
    poolman , September 11, 2015 at 6:17 pm

  185. OK, research done. Tigre did indeed find the only reference to the Oath Keepers.

    There was an extensive discussion of Bundy at https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2014/03/30/three-liberal-landmines/ with a few references to his militia defenders but never referred to as Oath Keepers.

    Until Bundy used the word “negro”, Tex provided this poetic defense of him:

    Tin soldiers and Obama coming,
    We will handle it on our own.
    This summer I hear the stomping
    Four hundred dead dopers once voted for President ‘O’.

    Gotta get down to it
    Trucks just mowed another down
    Should have been done long ago.
    What if you knew them
    And found them flat on the ground
    Militia done laid the worthless mofos low…

    Interestingly Tigre said the following:

    Bundy is (1) wrong and (2) nuts. He should not be cheered on.

    So, I maintain that some on this blog have advocated violent resistance to the Federal government and that apparently Tigre is not one of them. 🙂

  186. Rutherford, it is only that Bundy the Moocher does not represent the right cause. I assure you that I do believe that the right cause does exist, which is a big difference between guys like me and cud chewers like you.

    p.s. truth is an absolute defense to libel and slander.

  187. Bundy has not been a proven moocher. The BLM has also lied. He is imperfect, but in a case like this it is like a NASCAR race. Friends are where you find them. I have already described what our government can do.

    Newsbusters “Gasp! MSNBC Panelist Says Hillary Should Emulate Palin’s Authenticity” One of the panelists praised Palin, and two agreed with her. This happened on the Melissa Harris-Perry show.

    “…that being a woman was not an attribute that was going to take you into the presidency…” Well Sarah Palin was a part of changing that…Its not that I am generally supportive of Sarah Palins’ policies but in terms of ‘well i’m just gonna run this real differently in my high heels…”

    “She owned herself.”

    They said Hillary should be as authentic as Sarah.

    I told you so.

  188. Went back and looked Rutherford. I see those were your abandoned “introspection” days. That was some funny shit.

    I also see that what you’ve said in this thread was total bullshit too.

    It frightens me that MSNBC has such a hold on you. You really live the shit on a weird level.

  189. I have no clue what Rutherford is talking about with this Bundy stuff.

    There is an American tradition started by the Founding Fathers in which we remind Leviathan what will happen if it over steps it’s bounds.

    Give me liberty or give me death.

    It’s as American as apple pie with a side of the blood of patriots and tyrants.

    If Jefferson apologizes to Rutherford so will I. I’m guessing that will be pretty hard.

    Until then, fuck off you lib pusy.

    Perhaps a Christmas gift from Amazon will be ordered for R. I’m thinking a hard cover from John Locke.

  190. “You really live the shit on a weird level.”

    It’s his church.

    I was checking my cable this morning I just realised I don’t even have Fox News. Kind of pissed me off becuase I want it. I didn’t even realize I didn’t have it for at least a month.

  191. Huck I’m guessing this is the same story Poolman posted much further up in the thread.

    Yes, that is the same Jewish guy posing as Muslim extremist. His ties are to Rita Katz and her S.I.T.E. She is the one that provided us the proven fake bin Laden videos and the fake beheading ones too.

    But I’m sure it’s just coincidence 😈

  192. Give me liberty or give me death Patrick Henry
    @James you’re in denial to the level that you’re lying to yourself. For the last freaking time. The court records show Bundy in violation. If you think it an unjust law there is recourse for that. Standing in open court and claiming you don’t recognize the government isn’t cutting it.
    I understand your passion. I understand the right wing ding a kings passion as well. Bundy is a scumbag.

  193. I don’t get the static on the FBI story. I’ve seen it all over the place. What is Hucks and Poolmans point?
    Pools you know the difference between sites like SITE,MEMRI and Scott Creighton and the others you like? Not much!

  194. Rutherford my point wight he Adams closer is that the Parker types are barking up the wrong tree. You want to talk about mental masturbation? Atheism and government BOOM!

  195. Rabbit Fox is one of the entities notorious for getting into fare issues with carriers. They did a full press shanking of Dish subscribers not too long ago.
    Are they “gone” or were they never there? The former means they’ll be back and your rate will go up,the latter means your provider is kind of a dick.

  196. Alfie, the point is the msm runs with her stuff as factual. That is the big deal. We are planning military exercises based on ‘intel’ she provides.

  197. Good question, Alfie. I don’t know. I want to cancel cable but wife is resisting. I watch all TV outside of sports on my phone.

  198. Yes, Thor, the rich Arab countries are hyprocrites They want to keep their nations pure of foreigners unless they need someone to wait on tables or manage the gardens.

    My wife’s grand mother came from Sweden as a teenager, so I can’t judge them too harshly But the Swedes are also hypocrites. From 1913 to 1920, the Swedish race segregation political movement among other things sterilized Sami women. From 1900 to 1940, Norway tried to destroy Sami culture.

    Finns who Swedish scientists declared were Asian and therefore ineligable for the rights and privilages of true Europeans have relegated the Sami to a tourist attraction. The Finiish government has taken Sami land without offering compensation.

    The UN has criticized the Nordic countries in the past.

    These countries have mistreated for generations people who essentially look like them. They are little different from other European nations or humanity as a whole including rich Arabs.. They are behaving like people.

    Europeans as a group already have limited success at integrating foreign residents. This wave of migrants will also be even more trouble.

  199. Too funny Part II….Denmark has placed ads reminding potential “refugees” of the new laws there. Denmark is now a “no-go” nation with “migrants” going out of their way to get to Scandinavian countries without going the direct route via Denmark.
    Its like Thelma and Louise. “We’re not going through Texas”

  200. Rutherford, meet rock bottom. Pfesser welcomes you. Poolman will be your guide. Your room is wired for cable and wifi, assuring that you’ll always have MsNBC and the comments section of your blog to make you work extra hard to properly twist things so that you don’t always wind up looking like a squashed bug on the windshield of reality.

  201. Alfie, the Bundy case has languished for years. Cloven Bundy and his family claim they can trace their ownership of the land to the 1870″s. This corresponds to the Homestead rights that the Lincoln administration established to entice people to settle western land.
    Bundy now operates the last ranch in that part of Clark County.

    A person who wants to be anonymous and who has lived in Clark County for 35 years told American Thinker that The Federal government and BLM drove out the other ranches The source said that BLM buys land, takes the water rights and resells the land.

    The Bundy troubles began in 1993 when Patricia Mulroy began serving as general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority. The federal government declared the region a habitat for the threatened desert tortose. The BLM began purchasing grazing rights from area ranchers. Bundy refused to sell, and the government charged him for grazing his cattle on protected land. They revolked his permit, and he did not apply for a new one.

    Around this same time counties in other parts of the US began to challenge federal ownership and management of its land.

    Bundy said he would pay the fees to the state of Nevada, but not the federal government. Bundy claims his right to the land based on his Mormon ancestors using the land before the federal government claimed the land. At least one other rancher sued in federal court during the 1990’s .

    This issue may also concern water.

    Bunkersville, Nevada has plentiful ground water which could be auctioned off and sold in Las Vegas or southern California.National Journal reported that Democrats planned to introduce what some called the Cliven Bundy amendment that would block the government from issuing grazing permits to people with unpaid grazing fees. The informant and others think this dispute is over water rights.

    A Republican representative prepared a bill to restrict federal government control of its land.

    Meanwhile wild horse advocates say the cattle are ruining habitat for the horses. Some scientists say horses and cattle are both damaging habitat for other animals.

    Some of Bundy’s neighbors believe he is wrong to flout the federal government. I think he walks on thin ice when he says the federal government has no right to own the land. A court, maybe the Supreme Court should settle the case because this is more important than a grazing dispute.

    An historian and former BLM employee said the standoff and BLM inaction makes it harder for the agency to do its job as it emboldens Bundy and his allies.

    The Justice Department and FBI are investigating.

    Harry Reid said “its not over We cannot have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away. So its not over.” “isn’t it ironic” coming from Reid. This administration has taken flouting the law to a new level. Until our own elites observe inconvenient laws I support the imperfect Bundy, even if he should ultimatly go to jail.

    As you know, I have traveled on this road. The terrain looks familiar.

    We also have a bridge near my home. We have the bridge because we behaved like Bundy without breaking the law. A lawyer told us it was a miricle we ten people got the bridge from the Iowa DOT. We worked for three years and stopped the state’s from stealing seven acres of our land for a new detour road. My wife promised a lawsuit and I promised publicity a demonstration calculated to incite violence which would probably kill or hurt me. The county and state would look bad.

    Supporting what Bundy stands for costs me nothing. I won’t go to jail or be fined if he loses his case.

  202. “Denmark is now a “no-go” nation with “migrants” going out of their way to get to Scandinavian countries without going the direct route via Denmark.”

    I read (or heard on NPR?) that while Denmark is saying that, the reality is that they still offer the best welfare plan as any European country for immigrants.

    I also find it odd that the most “welcoming” country is deemed to be becuase of the most freebies for these people.

  203. That reminds me, yesterday riding down the street and a remote fell from the sky and landed right in front of the car.

    A teevee remote control. Looked like it came straight down.

    There’s something you don’t see everyday.

  204. Alfie in light of recent events and your warning about visiting Europe soon, I’m guessing if your teenage son asked to go to Ireland with his friend’s family (parents and two teenage boys of their own) – you would say No. Is that right?

  205. “Sweden’s Ugly Immigration problem” The Globe and Mail

    Tino Sanandji is a Kurdish-Swedish economist who moved from Iran when he was ten. He said Sweden has done a poor job of integrating immigrants who have arrived in a fairly orderly fashion.

    42% of the immigrants who have been there for fifteen years are not working. 57% of welfare payments go to immigrants. Immigrants earn about 40% of what natives earn. They also commit most of the violent crimes. Immigrant heavy Malmo is a basket case, but the press ignores the problems. Anti immigrant sentiments are getting more popular.

    Sandaji wrote that like Canada Sweden prides itself on a superior morality which dictates generosity toward poor foreigners. Denmark is publishing ads telling migrants not to go their country because they know they cannot afford to be moral paragons.

    A member of a German think tank told the reporter that this isn’t even the beginning. No one knows the extent of dislocation and chaos which is coming.

    You didn’t ask me, Muffy. The kid should visit but fast. Ireland seems safe for now though the IRA is muttering under its breath. Countries like Poland, Estonia or even western Ukraine sound safer this year.

  206. “What is Hucks and Poolmans point?”

    I didn’t really have a point other than I wasn’t seeing any national media coverage of the capture of a guy who may well have sparked an event that DID get national media coverage, who passed on information and encouraged more 9/11 terrorism against the US, and who didn’t have the background one might expect in these situations.

    I hadn’t seen Poolman’s post, so I wasn’t aware it had already been brought up here for discussion.

    “I’ve seen it all over the place.”

    Fair enough. I haven’t. It only came on my radar last night, and trying to find info on it was only yielding international and local sources.

    I was just really surprised over the whole thing, is all.

  207. I think Ireland,Wales and England are still good trips. Expensive but good. Ireland especially is good if there is any ancestral links. Maybe because I grew up an Anglo-Canadian amongst Irish folks in Boston but they do seem to like the roots thing.
    I think Europe is in for a spell of angst and that has components other than the waves of migrants.

  208. Went back and looked Rutherford. I see those were your abandoned “introspection” days. That was some funny shit.
    I also see that what you’ve said in this thread was total bullshit too.
    It frightens me that MSNBC has such a hold on you. You really live the shit on a weird level.

    I’d like to say I know what you’re talking about but most of that comment made zero sense.

    You know what struck ME about that thread? It was my admission I didn’t know much about Bundy and how much time I spent watching the back and forth and not just mouthing off.

    It was also interesting to see the conversation evolve to the point that James was the only holdout. Everyone else including Tex came to the conclusion that Bundy was the wrong test case for gov overreach. Even I compared Clive to Trayvon. Wrong standard bearer.

    I actually think that thread represented one of the best discussions we’ve had at the bar.

  209. Bwhahahahahahahahh. Rutherford “Barney Fife” Lawson.

    That WAS funny. Hey I NEVER said I bought the car to intimidate people.

    I’m not sure I even get the strategy. You have to much more aware of “power” than you do of gas. I think it’s a bad choice for a police car just for practical reasons.

  210. I have no clue what Rutherford is talking about with this Bundy stuff.

    Ehhh Rutherford? Go back and read the old thread. Huck, Alfie and even Tigre: right cause, wrong guy to carry the flag.

  211. Atheism and government BOOM!

    I agree. I don’t deny the Christian underpinnings of our country. I will just reiterate at every opportunity the wisdom of these Christians to know that a theocracy was a bad idea.

  212. They want to keep their nations pure of foreigners unless they need someone to wait on tables or manage the gardens.

    Isn’t that a big part of our immigration problem? How many employers are sobbing over the cheap illegal labor they employ? And how many of these publicly support Trump’s nativist memes?

  213. Hillary has change her shape so often she may no longer know who she really is.

    My wife and I were in Italy when things fell apart. New governments didn’t last long, there were impromtu strikes with some violence. I followed a mile long demonstration out of curiosity and other Italians joined me.

    Police chased the crowd with night sticks.
    I know the riot was a mile long because the train station was advertised to be a mile long. Rioters left one side while the rear guard entered the other side.
    A strike stranded us for six hours, so a several of us bribed a taxi driver to take us to the top of Mt. Vesuvias to kill time. He was furious when we refused to pay all of his fare until he took us back down.

    There was an explosion within hearing distance from our hotel in Naples.

    Authorities stopped and searched a train we were on. We never did learn why.

    We had met a French college student before university riots damaged Paris and other cities. I still wonder if he was part of that. We liked him.

    I suspect Europe will see more of this. At the time, we were so young and stupid, we considered it to be an adventure.

  214. Yes, Rutherford. Cheap labor. Texas is an example of short term gains and long term costs. Mexico encouraged United States immigration to settle the province. Texas was so empty they were afraid another country would take it away.

    Unfortunately, Anglo settlement reached critical mass and the immigrants revolted.

  215. Rutherford, meet rock bottom. Pfesser welcomes you. Poolman will be your guide. Your room is wired for cable and wifi, assuring that you’ll always have MsNBC and the comments section of your blog to make you work extra hard to properly twist things so that you don’t always wind up looking like a squashed bug on the windshield of reality.

    Far better turns of phrase than Tigre’s earlier blather but equally non-sensical.

  216. What struck ME is that you’re the one talking about Oath Keepers because… MSNBC. Again. Never mentioned before. Until… MSNBC. Your window on the world (that you laughably deny).

    So not only was there no connection to Oath Keepers, the prior thread had no connection to the “point” you claim to be making in this one. I’m sure it’ll evolve in your effort to save face as usual. Some of us around here call that the Rutherford Wiggle. It’s got a good beat and you can dance to it.

    Now, the failure of your “claimed” introspection as a carryover? Irony so thick you can cut it with a knife.

  217. I also find it odd that the most “welcoming” country is deemed to be becuase of the most freebies for these people.

    As I commented earlier in the thread I’ve heard talk that some migrants are shopping for the country that will give them the most freebies.

  218. Tigre’s blather makes perfect sense to anyone that isn’t falling for your lame wiggle after looking back at the prior thread.

    Come on dude. Everyone here knows your shtick.

  219. Here’s the bottom line Tigre. Huck pointed to an article about the Oath Keepers and questioned how this band of wave-the-big-dick “I’ve got my rifle ready” bunch of “patriots” here might react to an actual act of violence by these pretend soldiers.

    I told Huck that based on past rhetoric, over and over and over, especially by Tex, Rabbit and to a lesser extent James, there was support here for the Oath Keepers leader.

    The thread I pointed to gave evidence of that. There isn’t enough time in the day to post all the declarations you yahoos have made about defending your “Liberty”.

    My only error was thinking we had talked about this particular group in the past. I was remembering the one instance you found but I did think there were more. I was wrong.

    So celebrate my “wiggle” all you want. The key point is Huck has much of this group pegged and so do I.

  220. “Ireland especially is good if there is any ancestral links”

    I’ve spent some time in Ireland. It’s a giant fake Irish bar catering to American perceptions of what Ireland is. I was in a few towns that were entirely fake. Dublin is about as sterile as Toronto.

    You can go off the beaten track and we did…but at the end of the day…I’d rather go somewhere weird like the Faroe Islands or something.

  221. Rabbit, my parents visited Ireland a few times in their elder years. I’ve never been.

    My only question is what could be more authentically Irish than Ireland itself? Your comment kinda stumps me.

  222. If this situation in Europe doesn’t make someone pause and reflect on Obama’s foriegn policy, there is nothing that will.

    Germany closed its borders. This going to end so terribly.

    Fucking anarchy.

  223. “My only question is what could be more authentically Irish than Ireland itself? Your comment kinda stumps me.”

    I can’t back it up, but I would bet tourism to nostalgic dreamy Americans is the number 1 industry in Ireland.

    So many people go there that Ireland is catering to the hazy fake image of Ireland that Americans have. I was there off season and it was even more evident. Entire towns, built all “touristy” like completely empty. Looked like a movie set.

    Unless you go to Belfast or some of the Gaelic areas on the West coast, most of the places Americans are funneled through are bull shit. Even the famous bar district in Dublin (can’t remember the name)is all foreigners.

    Don’t get me wrong, some of it is cool. However, I bet there are hundreds of thousands of Americans who have gone to Ireland who are completely hoodwinked.

    My favorite part of Ireland? Palm trees. There are palm trees there! I found that fascinating.

  224. If this situation in Europe doesn’t make someone pause and reflect on Obama’s foriegn policy

    Zero reason to believe McCain or Romney could have done any better. Much of this is beyond our control.

    If I recall, we entered both world wars AFTER lots of shit had already hit the fan. I’m not sure we have a strong record of PREVENTING international chaos and it’s actually debatable if we should.

  225. “He lied to me. Now I can’t think of one reason big enough for him to lie about that’s small enough not to matter.” -Gone Baby Gone.

    “I’m finding the claims of Oath Keeper ignorance hard to swallow. I’m pretty sure they’ve been discussed in prior threads.” -RL

    That was in direct response to Tigre, rabbit, and I saying that we didn’t know about oath keepers. You had no reason to doubt us, you’ve since failed to prove otherwise, and are now pretending it didn’t happen and hoping it is too small to matter anyway.

    It doesn’t speak well of you. You should have begged our pardon long before now. Instead you hoped to come up with the goods to rub our noses in something that you’re tired of smelling.

    One’s own bullshit.

  226. “The key point is Huck has much of this group pegged and so do I.”

    You have as much insight into the rest of us as poolman has marbles.

  227. Yes, Rutherford they are. So far it is an isolated indent at a low income development which began as a homeless shelter. Others will follow, because Germany already has a low income housing shortage. The mayor of one city is telling owners of vacant property they must provide housing. Germans complain they are losing their property rights.

    The television station is described as leftist. A Lutheran minister also looks like as liberal as an American minister said that while she sympathizes with the migrants the government is treating its own citizens badly.

    The Germans are obviously resentful as they notice their housing has communal showers and poor heating while the new homes will be much nicer. One man interviewed said authorities told them that maybe some of them might have a chance at the new homes.

    Other families have no idea of where they will go after they are evicted. A Syrian family said they have been looking for living quarters for over a year and have found nothing. They are living in a shelter with one child and another on the way.

    One politician said they were caught by surprise. It is falling apart. Just yesterday enough migrants entered to populate three German cities.

    A commenter wrote that Merkil should be shot. Another praised Trump.

    I didn’t have time to read the article. The writer claims Swedes are also being evicted.

    Mc Cain said we needed occupying troops for at least fifty years. People rolled their eyes. That is my only basis for believing McCain might have stopped this. I don’t have as much confidence in Romney.

    I agree we probably shouldn’t prevent all threats of international chaos, but this is different. Use your imagination and scare yourself with possibilities. My imagination has brought forth many fantasies including a presidential contest featuring Bernie Sanders against Donald Trump.

  228. That was in direct response to Tigre, rabbit, and I saying that we didn’t know about oath keepers.

    Yeah. I was wrong and said so. And I did have reason to doubt you because I knew it had been mentioned. I was just wrong in that it was mentioned only briefly and if you blinked, you missed it. You said that yourself earlier and you were right. I was wrong.

  229. You have as much insight into the rest of us as poolman has marbles.

    Keep believing that. I’m pretty damn sure about the what. I just may be wrong about the why. For that I’d really have to know you.

    This is not the right forum to figure out why people feel the way they do. And most of us here, including me, make armchair psychologist attempts at describing the “why”. That causes most of the conflict here.

  230. Re: Ireland – My question had only to do with a minor with traveling to Ireland albeit chaperoned in the context of the realities of Europe today, and if anything projecting 6 months down the road. With respect to Alfie’s recent travel warning, I was just looking to pick his brain on Ireland. Thanks for the feedback all.

  231. My imagination has brought forth many fantasies including a presidential contest featuring Bernie Sanders against Donald Trump.

    Admittedly a scary scenario. I like Bernie but unlike Obama, whom I accuse of mediocrity, Sanders will either be wildly successful or a total disaster. The same may be true of Trump.

  232. One thing to do in Ireland is to kiss the Blarney Stone at Blarney Castle. Someone used to hold a person’s ankles and lower him or her down to kiss the stone. Now, they hold onto a bar fence as they lean backward to kiss the stone.

    Yes Ireland has palm trees. So does Cornwall.

    The term black Irish is a subject of debate. some say they are descended from Vikings and Normans and so named because of their dark nature. Others claim they were from Spain and had darker skin and eyes than most Irish.

    as rabbit wrote some of these countries are virtual historic theme parks to entertain the tourists. South Dakota’s Black Hills are like that too.

  233. James what’s your opinion of an Arab leader visiting NY and renting an entire hotel building? Not just one floor (as is often done for security) but the whole damn thing?

    I’m also hearing rich folk are buying Manhattan apartments and not using them much of the year and not event renting them out. This going on while we have a homeless problem.

  234. “Yeah. I was wrong and said so. And I did have reason to doubt you because I knew it had been mentioned. I was just wrong in that it was mentioned only briefly and if you blinked, you missed it. You said that yourself earlier and you were right. I was wrong.”

    My apologies. Even as I was typing I checked back for something from you acknowledging your offense and didn’t see it. I still don’t. Not looking for more than you’ve just offered though.

    You had no reason to doubt us not because it had been mentioned but because we’ve never given you reason to doubt that we are truthful in our dealings here.

  235. I paraphrase but one of my favorite sayings is supposedly Irish. “Every Irishman knows someday the world will break your heart.” It came up during the Colbert-Biden interview but I’ve heard it before.

  236. You had no reason to doubt us not because it had been mentioned but because we’ve never given you reason to doubt that we are truthful in our dealings here.

    There you are right. Often deluded but not dishonest.

  237. Some things to see in Ireland are Newgrange, a tomb older than Stonehenge, Ring of Kerry, National Gallery, Trinity College, Guinness, Botanic Gardens in Dublin, and the countryside.

  238. My opinion is as negative as the rich people leaving expensive apartments empty most of the time. They are as arrogant as entertainers and others who water their lawns while their neighbors yards turn brown.

    Such consumption breeds resentment. We havce too much class envy and anger as it is.

  239. Muffy seriously, I’d just google “Irish tourism” and see what the trends are. Is tourism there suffering and if so, why? If it’s still going gangbusters then I think it’s a safe assumption there’s little risk in traveling there.

    My gut tells me to be more weary of mainland Europe.

  240. “And I did have reason to doubt you because I knew it had been mentioned. I was just wrong in that it was mentioned only briefly and if you blinked, you missed it.”

    I swear we’re all being Punk’d.

    It was mentioned by Y-O-U. From MSNBC.

    And that became your basis for questioning whether we were “dangerous” and of course liars for “claiming” we didn’t know about Oath Keepers.

    YOU. MSNBC. Danger. Righteous indignation. Puss out. Where have we seen this play out before?

    I would kill to cross examine you in front of a jury just once in my life. Damn. Just once. You don’t remember what stupid shit you’ve said earlier the same day before doing the put upon beta male huff and puff.

    Among other obvious reasons, I question whether you are a grown man because I can only imagine what the arguments were like with your parents when you were a child. They had to have been the same and yet they didn’t. . . you know. . . choke the life out of you or “accidentally” leave you at the playground before boarding a plane for their third and permanent trip to Ireland.

  241. Rutherford, again….we told you this was going to happen.

    Obama created a power vacuum in the Middle East. He could have nipped ISIS in the bud before they even got out of Iraq. Bush and Cheney would have. Instead they were JV and not a concern. A post 911 terrorist Sunni Caliphate is what we got. The failure is surreal and so obvious.
    The terrorists have a state! My God!

    We removed the regime in Libya. How’s that going? Fucking terrible. (Liberals don’t like talking about THAT regime change, I know).

    Just watch the last election’s debates. Obama mocked Romney over Russia. Mocked him!

    They were bragging about Yemen. Bragging about it!

    Hordes of people fleeing a power vacuum.

    I keep saying this. There is no way an accurate description of the current situation in the form of a 2008 prediction wouldn’t be agreed upon by all as a total failure. No way.

    Was Syria a tough one? Yes. Did Obama handle it horridly? Fuck yes.

    Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Fail.

    I’ll give you Burma. It might improve there.

  242. Femen is a feminist organization which has spread through Europe from Ukraine. Two of them stormed the stage at a Muslim conference in France. The topic of discussion was whether or not wives should be beaten. Har Har! Rabbit’s laugh track video link.

  243. Our banks are shit.
    Our courts are shit.
    Our schools are shit.

    Many of you people work for or in shit. That’s depressing. You might be a shit preserver or a shit distributor or a shit inflator or even a shit deflector. At minimum a shit stomper.

    You have my sympathy. It’s hard to make good from shit.

  244. I would kill to cross examine you in front of a jury just once in my life.

    Keep dreaming Nathan Thurm. As I recall, trial law ain’t your thing and the effectiveness of your arguments here might be a clue why. 😉

    What is the relevance that I brought up the Oath Keepers and that I acknowledged I saw it on MSNBC? The bottom line is I mentioned it. James responded to it. And the rest of you didn’t notice it. I mistakenly thought it had been discussed before that. I was WRONG.

    But if it fuels your courtroom fantasies ET, here’s a fun morsel for you:

    When I was a kid I INSISTED that Paris was the capital of Spain and Madrid was the capital of France. When my parents tried to correct me I’d respond “no you’re wrong. Madrid SOUNDS French and Paris SOUNDS Spanish!”

    Of course if I’d known anything about foreign pronunciation I wouldn’t have even gone there. 😀

  245. “Keep dreaming Nathan Thurm. As I recall, trial law ain’t your thing and the effectiveness of your arguments here might be a clue why.”

    Here to prove my point again dumbass.

    I am a trial lawyer. You’ve said over, and over, and over, and over I am a corporate lawyer for reasons that can only be attributed to your stupidity. I have explained in detail what I do. I did it in an email, in these comments and in response to others. All I do is litigate. And you do what you always do. . .

    I would KILL to have someone as arrogant and dumb as you on cross. It would be a wet dream. Seriously. You really lack self awareness to a staggering degree, Rutherford.

    (now comes your I know you are but what am I variant :roll:)

  246. “What is the relevance that I brought up the Oath Keepers and that I acknowledged I saw it on MSNBC?”

    Then you might try going back and looking at what you wrote.

    You on the stand = wet dream.

  247. Ahhhh I sit corrected (again)! 😳 You don’t do criminal law.

    Oh well I have this one saving grace. MY attorney would say “your honor, I object! The tiger is badgering my client!”

    The judge would of course agree, hold you in contempt and put your ass right in there with Kim Davis.

  248. I am sure the web is buzzing about this in a number of areas but I found it pretty interesting.
    Apparently some Mexican tourists were found in a restricted area of Egyptian desert and killed by Egyptian military/security forces. the area is known for various Islamic jihadists and anti-Cairo entities
    It is very interesting even if it will be chewed and spun by folks from the Spencer to Jones to Horowitz and Poolman spectrum. I dare say a number of other folks will latch onto the theme on a national security angle.
    Seriously though….who the hell in Mexico goes to Egypt and ends up nowhere near the Nile or the Pyramids??

  249. @ Rutherford all things considered….If by some ghastly fluke Bernie were elected…..how long till his brains were blown out???
    I hope the cross Pond cousins offer a primer in sharp left turns being bad thing.

  250. I hope the cross Pond cousins offer a primer in sharp left turns being bad thing.

    You’re referring to the Marxist? I don’t think we learn much from our fellow countries.

    As for blown out brains I’m a bit surprised the establishment hasn’t ordered a hit on Trump.

  251. who the hell in Mexico goes to Egypt and ends up nowhere near the Nile or the Pyramids?? – Alfie

    Maybe they were looking for the “real Egypt” and not the fake one built to entice Mexican tourist dollars. 🙂

    What would you have done differently Rabbit? Are you saying we should support dictators and strong men in order to prevent a Caliphate? Then why did we remove Saddam? I see no rising Crescent, just a rebranding of the Sunnis in the same lust-for-power turf war that has gone on for centuries. Yes, ISIS is brutal. The Saudis are brutal. Saddam was brutal. Assad is brutal. Assad’s father was brutal. Bashir is brutal. Mubarak was brutal. Gaddafi was brutal. The Shah was brutal. Idi Amin was brutal. Nasser was brutal. The Tuareg were brutal. Kubla Khan was brutal. They are like cockroaches. One gets smashed, three more come out of their ass. Peter, Paul and Jesus couldn’t tame this region. How are we supposed to do it?

    It will have to come from the people that live there, if it is to last. If it happens at all, it will require a long series of bloody revolutions. Authoritarians don’t give up their empires easily. We had to defeat the throne twice, and its men still came back and fucked with us during the civil war.

    Blame Obama if you want, but he is just the latest in a long list of Presidents that couldn’t “solve” the Middle East. And our involvement, really only since the end of WWII, only represents a sliver of the time these people have been fighting this battle. The suffering is hard to watch, but I’m coming to the conclusion that intervening in the Middle East is like trying to help an alcoholic. We can be careful to protect ourselves while giving support, but the only way to end the pain is for the addict themselves to embrace a new way of life.

  252. R, if ET was a “corporate” lawyer, he would have long ago asked you to name your price for silence or threatened to set up his own blog across the street and put you out of business, or both. 🙂

  253. Our banks are shit. – Poolman

    I would imagine a significant number of your clients take out loans to pay for your services. Or do you usually take your payments in beaver pelts? How do you reconcile what appears to be a moral dilemma for you?

  254. @ Alfie –

    “…all things considered….If by some ghastly fluke Bernie were elected…..how long till his brains were blown out???”

    Is this a joke?

    If not then by whom?

  255. A crop adjuster told me she and her husband were driving in the desert because most tourists didn’t visit the region. Suddenly a wall of tanks appeared on the horizon and raced toward them. They were caught in the beginning of the 1973 Arab-Isreali war. Maybe the Mexicans and others were merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Assessing blame is important to me for the historical record. I want to be sure people of my grand daughter’s age will know what harm the Democrats did to our country. it applies to the Republicans too, but right now, Democrats are the champions.

    I agree with Thor that the region is like a population of addicts. We care because they have oil.

  256. No ,but it is only as serious as a hypothetical on top of a hypothetical etc. can be. Let’s see what happens but since there is undoubtedly zero way Bernie can win a mandate I see no reason to believe he’d not be a target given his plans. I’d say candidates for a shot include every entity that threatened Obama and on a grander scale folks tied to financial and defense markets.
    Back to you,do you seriously think America will tolerate his platform?

  257. No moral dilemma for me, thor. Beaver pelts are not common currency here in the valley. Would be kind of cool, but I don’t think the beavers would like it. Certainly that would do much to limit frivolous spending. However, I will deal in whatever currency has value at any given time. I will function around and in spite of evil institutions. They are legion. Apparently I have been doing so for decades, though sometimes more successfully than others.

  258. “Are you saying we should support dictators and strong men in order to prevent a Caliphate?”

    Sometimes, sadly, yes. It’s not going to always be black and white, though.

    “Solving” the middle East is for Neo Cons. I want American security. ISIS is a direct threat. See the difference from Kubla Khan?

    Saddam had to go based on globally accepted intel. He also was in violation of the terms of the first Gulf War. It might have been a mistake. Which makes Libya even more of a head scratcher, don’t you think?

    Had Qudaffy (I enjoy spelling that one wrong) also been deemed a threat in the same was as Iraq (he had came clean on WMD) then regime change would have been the right move.

    Rutherford might be high fiving you over your false dichotomy, but it doesn’t mean it’s not a slight of hand.

    The realist paradigm is the only paradigm in this perpetually brutal world.

    I get it. It’s a tough job being POTUS. But even as Jimmy Carter pointed out, the shit is shittier then it was 8 years ago. Is there suddenly no litmus for the Middle East now?

    You are a creative writer. You are telling me that today’s realities in Middle East would not be deemed as an example of a complete failure in the form of a prediction in 08?

    Are we at war with the people hell bent on attacking us or not?

  259. Alfie, I know the question was directed at Muffy but I have to chime in.

    I think you are confusing “America” with the establishment. America WANTS what Bernie and Donald are selling. The country is reaching it’s Howard Beale moment. “Mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore.”

  260. “We can be careful to protect ourselves while giving support, but the only way to end the pain is for the addict themselves to embrace a new way of life.”

    You act as is if the addict is isolated in his basement drooling. Instead he’s pushing the drugs throughout the whole city and even creating anarchy in three fucking Continents.

  261. Thor @ 3:25 am.

    Alleluia.

    Two things:
    1)Everyone in US govt should be required to read, memorise, and recite George Washington’s Farewell Address once per week – the part about foreign entanglements they should recite forward and backward. Thrice.

    2)Remember the definition of insanity. As your govt goes about, over and over, trying to civilise the Middle East, by definition it has insanity in its very blood.

  262. Putting my shot at Tigre aside, the courtroom vid was funny. You have John Oliver to thank for it. He did an exposé on public defenders last night.

    I don’t know why I watch Last Week Tonight. Makes you want to blow your brains out. The world is sooooo fucked.

    So Rabbit c’mon give us the scoop on the state senators love affair.

  263. “James I actually agree with you. Palin could teach HRC a thing or two about authenticity.”

    I see your point, alrighty; an authentic moron is definitely a cut above an inauthentic congenital liar.

  264. “….. in a long list of Presidents that couldn’t “solve” the Middle East.” – Thor

    Once upon a time the US studied the culture of our enemy. During the cold war Soviet era the US trained experts in the field of Soviet lore. Was the McCarthy era much different from the terrorist era of today? Yet we were very slow to recognize the threat of the Middle East. Not only did we not take the time to study their culture we had few trained in the language. One cannot “solve” a problem without studying the reasons behind the problem. Oh I’m sure we now have many Middle East “experts” but they are a little late to the table

  265. @ Alfie – America has proven to be exceedingly tolerant of an America lurching toward authoritarian socialism. The people most likely to react violently in opposition to that are those least likely to suffer in the new landscape. Violent groups like BLM will sell peace to the highest bidder. It’s already happening. Population growth and immigration will favor the false prison of being taken care of while brick and mortar prisons are emptied of criminals violent and non-violent alike, and restocked with those even suspected of insurrection.

    So yeah, I think America would tolerate his platform. Is there any reason to think they wouldn’t?

    That said Biden is winning the 2016 election. Just as I said after 2012 the black vote will be aggressively pandered to in 2016 and with Barack on the stump for Calamity Joe it’s as good as done. The nomination was Hillary’s to lose and if there’s anything Hillary is good at besides lying – it’s losing.

  266. @ Rutherford I couldn’t disagree more regards your what America wants line.
    I know the Trump & Sanders polling is not a true snapshot of the true electorate.

  267. “We can be careful to protect ourselves while giving support, but the only way to end the pain is for the addict themselves to embrace a new way of life.”

    I’m just curious if you’re willing to accept only Christian refugees?

  268. Follow up to Alfie – whether or not America survives that is a different question. To which I would answer no. It will collapse of its own weight.

  269. “Oh I’m sure we now have many Middle East “experts” but they are a little late to the table”

    They were being used for other things–like helping administrations prop up Islamist movements they thought could be easily controlled in order to use them as proxies against those that couldn’t be easily controlled. Neither al Qaeda (vs USSR) nor Hamas (vs PLO) would exist today without the initial financial (and other types of) support from the US and others. I’m sure a review of history would show more in that group.

    Oriental studies for the last 1/2 century have been wasted. That 50 intelligence analysts say their reports have been white washed, combined with this existing notion that “they hate us for our freedoms” shows they continue to be wasted.

  270. ““Are you saying we should support dictators and strong men in order to prevent a Caliphate?”

    Sometimes, sadly, yes. It’s not going to always be black and white, though.”

    I’m not saying that is a right or a wrong position to take, but I am saying when we do that we need to be prepared to deal with the shit that comes with it–which is, it pisses people off. And sometimes, as we’ve seen, those pissed off people do some fucked up shit.

    Which, don’t get me wrong, is on them. I’m not saying things are our fault. Because as those people are seeing, violence against us is not the answer to their problems. You’d think they’d have figured that out by now.

  271. You are telling me that today’s realities in Middle East would not be deemed as an example of a complete failure in the form of a prediction in 08? – DR

    I’m saying it wouldn’t have been a prediction. It was already happening. Just under different names.

    Are we at war with the people hell bent on attacking us or not? – DR

    Yes, but I’m not sure we always identify the correct enemy. How many ISIS members attacked us on 911? How many Saudis? Is Al-Queda joining ISIS or fighting them. I mentioned the Khans because they marched across all of Asia and most of Eastern Europe until they met this group, who stopped pointing swords at each other just long enough to defeat the hoard, then right back to fighting each other. It’s like sticking an angle grinder in a hornets nest. Until they stop fighting amongst themselves, why do it?

  272. It means we give a fuck, thor.

    I understand the US is considering taking in “refugees.” I’m just wondering if you’re willing to be “careful to protect ourselves while giving support” especially concerning Christians fleeing persecution and eradication. Or isn’t that happening?

    Who are the Christians going to “stop fighting amongst themselves” with? They’re running for their lives. Do they hate and want to kill us in our beds? Or are they the very definition of refugee?

  273. I’m only partially being intentionally provocative with the refugee question.

    I just don’t think the answer to this – “So Rutherford, have we learned those lessons?” is YES.

    1) Vanquish your real enemy. <<<without #2 there is no #1
    2) Know your real enemy. <<<an especially resounding NO

  274. I also agree with Alfie on this –

    “I couldn’t disagree more regards your what America wants line.
    I know the Trump & Sanders polling is not a true snapshot of the true electorate.”

    But I would go further to say that Sanders and Trump are a true snapshot of just how mainstream what was once the extreme has become.

  275. “I’m saying it wouldn’t have been a prediction. It was already happening. Just under different names.”

    You have a selective memory then. Ask Europe if things haven’t changed. Ask the Christians. Ask the heretical sects of Iraq.

    Yes, ISIS are the guys who splilled American blood. They were All Queda in Iraq. What do we care if a power struggle exists within their stink beard ranks now? We should fucking annihilate them.

    Sure, it would be great if we could put our head in the sand with the cartoon reasoning that they will just slaughter one another.

    Two minutes ago a former student stopped by my room. He just got out of USMC bootcamp. They are telling all of them war is against ISIS is a given. The only thing holding us back is a lack of vision and leadership. It didn’t have to get to this point. I wonder if he will die becuase of it? Your president let JV gain momentum. Huge fail. Historic fail. One of many.

  276. But I would go further to say that Sanders and Trump are a true snapshot of just how mainstream what was once the extreme has become.

    You just contradicted yourself. Either Sanders and Trump are a snapshot of America (the electorate) or they’re not.

    I don’t think Alfie has a finger on the pulse of America with all due respect. If he did, Romney would be POTUS and a clear leftist (by the estimation of most on this board) would not have won a second term.

    Numbers underlying the base poll numbers show that those polled are favoring anger over ideology. That is why Trump is gaining support despite lacking true conservative bona fides.

  277. Rutherford until you have a grasp of electoral college math I’d advise against belittling my past present and future predictions . Rom eye perks fed an anomaly that doesn’t bode well for Sanders and Trump if it comes to that.

  278. I’d actually very much support that the 10000 we get are Christian,Yazidi,Jewish or anything other than mainstream Muslim. I take that position because out of that area of the world THOSE GROUPS meet the refugee criteria HANDS DOWN!

  279. Huck keep in mind that those changes down Under came three times without the people getting to vote. It’s not unlike Labour in the UK. 15k people have positioned an anti UK nut bag in line for No. 10

  280. “Numbers underlying the base poll numbers show that those polled are favoring anger over ideology.”

    This started with irrational Obama love. Sappy ass emotionalism and/or anger mixed with a stupid population now more politicized then ever thanks to the internet. I’ll never forget the cloying and nauseating fanboyhood at this blog. Sick.

    Obama was the first Dances with the Stars President. He opened the door for more Dances with the Stars Presidents.

  281. Even with the typo correction, I don’t get your point Alfie.

    I get this:
    1) These poll numbers are crap OR
    2) These poll numbers are meaningful but too early to be definitive

    Short of those two conclusions the only other conclusion is right, left or upside down, the electorate wants something different this time around.

    If you’re saying you find the poll numbers highly suspect then you get no argument from me. Even though I like Bernie, I find the poll results very strange….unless they point to an angry population.

    Finally, if America won’t tolerate a leftist, then either Obama wasn’t the leftist everyone here insists he was or we’re not reading America right. Unless by citing the electoral math you’re suggesting the POTUS is elected by NY and CA.

  282. “The lamps are going out one by one. We shall not see them lit in our life time.” British foreign secretary, Sir Edward Grey before WW1.

    Angela Merkle has put Germany in a bind. Russia is building bases in Syria to put us in a bind.

    Ten years ago, our present would have been political fiction.

  283. Sorry Rabbit, he wasn’t the first. Yes it did go to an extreme but it was Clinton who was asked “boxers or briefs” on MTV and dignified the question with an answer. Clinton played sax on Arsenio.

    Reagan also had a lot of “mystique” going for him.

    The only thing Obama was first at was being black and we see how well that has served him.

  284. “The only thing Obama was first at was being black and we see how well that has served him.”

    Obama’s blackness has nothing to do with his failed presidency. Nice try.

    Now his non stop lies, complete mess of foriegn policy, weakened middle class, horrible transparency, poverty of minorities, immigration nightmare…..and siding with thugs becuase they look like his son…..now we are talking.

    Beer summit!

  285. While I see your point, Clinton at least had leadership experience. Obama had nothing. NOTHING. Never did one thing. Never put his neck on the line for anything. Zilch. Even Palin stood up to people before.

  286. DR: Even Palin stood up to people before.

    Absolutely true. Nobody ever said she didn’t have grit, I’ll give her that. She’s hard as balls.

    Goddammit, Rabbit! Now you’ve forced me to agree to something positive about Palin. Shite fucking Christ. What next …

  287. Damn! Trump is knocking it out of the park on teevee. 20,000 people in the audience. Looks like the fucking Pied Piper of Hamlin.

    Maybe now US media and the govt will understand just how much Americans loathe them.

  288. Maybe now US media and the govt will understand just how much Americans loathe them.

    Damn right. And Trump is having the time of his life.

    Question is how does he bow out gracefully? We all know the man has zero interest in actually BEING president.

  289. R – We all know the man has zero interest in actually BEING president.

    Maybe YOU know that, and I’ll grant you that maybe it was true in the beginning, but by God, I don’t know that. And I don’t think “all” know that, either.

    The question is, how do the Rethuglican movers and shakers torpedo him successfully? I’m not sure it can be done. Not now. I think it may be beyond the tipping point. What do you think, R?

    Boys, you may be looking at our next president. It might be good to have one with balls.

    … other than Sarah Palin, that is …

    By the way, what’s ailin’ Tex? He ill?

  290. Rutherford I thought I was pretty clear about polling. I’ll say something to clarify it now.
    Polling this early is BULLSHIT
    Polling this early fails to capture the spirit of the masses,because its BULLSHIT
    The media humping of every insignificant poll is BULLSHIT
    Iowa has a proven track record of failing to select the eventual winner of the general. As one of the ultimate and most vetted polls we have,what we really have is…..say it with me….BULLSHIT.

  291. Parker I can’t imagine Trump giving up his lifestyle to be prez. It’s ghetto life compared to what he’s used to and very confining.

    If he does go the distance, he will transform the presidency. He will demand it fit his specs.

  292. “America won’t tolerate a failure.”

    I call bullshit.

    America re-elected failure, and if it were possible they’d do it again.

  293. Ok Rabbit, we get spectacular leadership from Trump or someone and defeat ISIS. Then what? We stay forever? Or do we leave, creating another power vacuum?

    Muffy, I still don’t get your point. I’m willing to take in refugees of any religion or none at all, as long as they understand that we live by the rule of law, not by force.

  294. Thor, this idea we ever ride off into the sun set is laughable. We are unfortunately the leaders of the free world. Look at the anarchy stemming from Obama’s red line. Can you imagine complete withdrawal?

    So no. The fleet, the threat of power, the use of power, clandestine b.s……alll of it.
    It must go on forever or the world collapses.

    Europe, however, must take a greater role. The day and age of Germany et al doing nothing needs to be over.

  295. “They tell me Bernie Sanders can’t win because (an) American won’t vote for a socialist Jew. I tell them America celebrates one every December 25.” – John Fugelsang

  296. Europe, however, must take a greater role. The day and age of Germany et al doing nothing needs to be over. – DR

    And why would they ever do that as long as we are willing to do the heavy lifting?

  297. “American won’t vote for a socialist Jew. I tell them America celebrates one every December 25.” – John Fugelsang” Lurker

    Yes, we actually begin in September with a four month long tidal wave of consumer capitalism, the likes of which the world has never known. It terminates in late December with clearance sales, end-of-year earnings reports and Christmas bonuses.

    Christians celebrate Christmas as the birth of their savior. But much of America embraces Christmas as an ode to product. So much for socialism.

  298. Post Modern Warefare Re-visited Vodka Pundit

    The writer predicts that Europe may turn into a continent-wide Bosnia as it was in 1993 when bands of men with no uniforms stolen weapons and a desire to kill anyone who looked Muslim or any one who looked European.

    Germans, Russians, or other larger nations may invade to preserve order.

    “I put my money on Europeans winning with mechanized mass slaughter.”

  299. The Christmas season is a battle for economic survival. Many stores have such thin profit margins holiday seasons help them earn enough money to stay in business.

  300. JAL I know you’re trying to have some fun,make a point and all that but even though I know tons of people on the right are in fact retarded I can’t click your link because,well,
    “I m wondering that if we put the Marines there,that many Marines on Guam,couldn’t the island flip over?”

  301. I’m blown away by the audacity of two reports out about how the media should report incidents like FERGUSON! The reports I’m preparing to read look specifically at Ferguson and what I’ve seen so far is appalling. To think the media should not show rioters without some kind of balance strikes me as dystopian.

  302. “I m wondering that if we put the Marines there,that many Marines on Guam,couldn’t the island flip over?” – alfie

    I don’t think it would flip over but it might sink.

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