Has the Dog Whistle Turned into a Bullhorn?

For the past several years, Republicans have been accused of engaging in dog whistle politics. They say messages that to the casual listener sound innocuous but carry a more insidious message only bigots and racists can hear. 

Along comes Donald J. Trump and his message is loud and clear. Illegal immigrants crossing our southern border, predominantly Hispanic, have many murderers and rapists among them. Now, to be fair, Donald has been repeatedly misquoted as applying this statement to ALL Hispanic immigrants. This was never the case. When he first uttered the statement in his announcement speech he was explicit about the target of his slur. 

I’ve long been puzzled about why law abiding Hispanics are not offended by people cutting in line. Why does their ethnic identification with these criminals override their outrage? (And make no mistake, illegal immigrants are by definition criminals. They may be some wonderful people but they’ve committed a crime by evading our normal immigration process.)

Then a famous poem by Martin Niemoller popped into my head:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.


Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.


Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Perhaps Trump’s message announced over his bullhorn has folks worried about the slippery slope? There are already folks on the right who have taken Trump’s message and broadened it to greater restrict legal immigration. There is now talk of ending birthright citizenship. Where does this notion, born of concern over the legitimate problem of illegal immigration, end? How much risk is there that Trump is sparking a toxic mix of nationalism and xenophobia? 

What is refreshing about Trump may also be dangerous. There is no guessing about what he is saying. He speaks clearly. There are no dog whistles. It remains to be seen whether what comes out of his bullhorn is good or bad for America.  

What do you think? The bar is open. 

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821 thoughts on “Has the Dog Whistle Turned into a Bullhorn?

  1. Rutherford, they have a million tricks up their sleeve. They appeal to our sensitivities. Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone but Trump. We all know that at a gut level. Yet he stirs up the pot and acts like he’s a regular guy (whatever that is anymore). He isn’t. He’s just a performer and loves the part he’s been given. It’s a win/win for him, whether he wins anything or not. He may be making a lot of noise, but he isn’t coloring outside the lines. Politics as usual.

  2. Obama and Palin were mirror images of each other in 2008, and now we have Sanders and Trump who also share the same face. All four, in their ways are dangerous to traditional America.

    Unfortunately, Obama has demonstrated the damage he has inflicted, and Sanders has a political record. So does Biden, if he decided to run. Trump is an unknown as Obama was. People can attribute characteristics which have little basis in reality.

    Our politically correct and dishonest political, news and cultural leaders have lied to us, and plain spoken Trump and Sanders are the only politicians who have consistantly told the voters what they “know” is true. They are the only convincing politicians who may actually do what they promise.

    I hope he stumbles and his impassioned followers adopt Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, or someone else.

    Obama and the liberal news media gave us Trump, and Republicans ought to adapt to the new world Trump has opened to us or we could be watching President Trump give the State of the Union speech.

  3. James I heard a theory on a podcast that Trump, who has no real interest in BEING president will bow out when it gets close to nomination time and endorse Cruz.

  4. That well could be, Rutherford. I think Trump’s popularity has surprised him also.

    Concerns Trump is discussing are real in Europe too. The BBC reports the European Union has called an emergency meeting on the bloc’s “escalating migration crisis.” The crisis has reached “unprecedented proportions.”

    Hundreds of people drowned in the Mediterranean Sea and 71 died in a truck in Austria last week. A record 107,500 illegals reached the EU last month.

    , News of Europe’s situation, though different from ours will contribute to more worry and anger here.

    Scott Walker is proposing a wall along the Canadian border. I don’t think he has thought that one through. Hungary’s wall might be more effective for them, though it will also leak like a seive.

    Our Korean daughter- in law and her family are furious at our leaky border. They came here according to the law.

  5.  “Why does their ethnic identification with these criminals override their outrage?”

    Do you want the answer?

    Becuase of DNC and progressive propaganda.

    Becuase of Obama. And Clinton. And LA Rasa. MSNBC.

  6. If Clinton gets the nomination and becomes President, I’m quiting any involvement in American politics outside my city for the rest of my life.

    I’m done.

    I just can’t partake in a system with such blatant selective application of law nor do I have any national kinship with people who are OK with it.

    Done.

    My hope will be a collapse and a Phoenix out of the ashes.

    We are teetering on Republic of Florence type shit here mixed with the stupidity Marc Antony’s Rome .

    The Hillary House of Medici ain’t America.

    It’s one thing for a resentful GOP to be surprised by some populist blow hard reality TV star. Fine, the people are angry.
    Scary as fuck. Stupid. But at least Free.

    But for the DNC to purposefully prop up Hillary’s corrupt crime syndicate?

    Disgusting.

  7. Scott Walker is proposing a wall along the Canadian border.

    I hadn’t heard this but the idea takes the anti-Hispanic angle out of play which may be why he’s going there.

    Our Korean daughter- in law and her family are furious at our leaky border. They came here according to the law.

    I fully get this and I wonder if more Hispanics might secretly pull the lever for Trump even though they feel they can’t go public on their disdain for illegals.

  8. But for the DNC to purposefully prop up Hillary’s corrupt crime syndicate?
    Disgusting.

    I know you don’t like Bernie but I’m with you on the disgust. Read my comment from the previous thread. The DNC doesn’t want to win the election. They want to win WITH HILLARY. A crystal bell could tell them that Bernie wins in November ’16 and they wouldn’t care because Bernie’s shtick threatens them.

    I think we are finally seeing we are ALL being played. GOP=DEM for all intents and purposes. It’s a pure money based power grab and we’re all suckers.

  9. From the previous thread:
    Alfie, are you satisfied with that state of affairs?
    I’m just being a realist that on the Presidential level US elections have always been about as far from the citizens enjoying “democracy”. It was made this way and there are a number of occasions when it was blatantly obvious.
    The People don’t really get the fairest shake at selecting the POTUS.

  10. I don’t really understand this post. It is quite loaded but with what I seriously don’t know for sure.
    On one hand you bash any number of GOP politicians,voters & supporters with the dog whistle line. You also give Trump far more credit than he deserves regards how intellectually honest he is in prattling about the illegal immigration issue. You then do an even greater disservice by disclosing your obvious biases on the myriad of connected issues and the truth other politicians have brought up.
    Currently the top two candidates in the GOP polling are Trump and Carsen. They are also the two least likely to get the nomination.

  11. On the Carly front I get quite the kick out of how people who absolutely hated our first AA president believe we as a nation should somehow get a Title IX one.

  12. I don’t really understand this post. It is quite loaded but with what I seriously don’t know for sure.

    The ambiguity is deliberate Alfie. Trump has me stumped. I can’t write a straight forward condemnation of him because I find him cathartic in many ways. Yet I see real trouble behind his messages. I also wanted to explore why law abiding Hispanics are not themselves offended by illegal aliens.

  13. Currently the top two candidates in the GOP polling are Trump and Carsen. They are also the two least likely to get the nomination.

    Question is are we looking at a summer fling a la Herman Cain or a true final fed-up phenom that will last through Iowa?

  14. “GOP=DEM”

    No. No. No.

    Right now, in terms of presidential politics, the GOP is the exact opposite of DEM.

    On the GOP side the front runner is a populist thumbing his nose at the establishment.

    On the DEM side the front runner is the establishment thumbing her nose at the populists.

    This would be easier to take if the “Establishment” wasn’t so fucking corrupt.
    For shit’s sake the FBI is involved.

    What she did was so wrong for so many reasons. And it’s obviously against at least two laws. But she might be too powerful. Literally above the law.

    Existentially, she is singlehandedly destroying any moral high ground your party can even pretend to have for 50 years.

    We kicked Nixon out. Your friends are knowingly putting Nixon in!

    I noticed that with the Obama administration. Every year they cared less and less about the optics. Lies with a half life of a fucking weekend were worth the political flak becuase it became so cheap.
    People like you would still tiexon the arm bands.

    What is wrong with this nation, man?

  15. How, experientially is Rubio THAT different from Obama?

    Rubio took risks. Made moves his base wouldn’t like. Not even comparable.

    Obama did nothing. NOTHING. No resume.

  16. Quite frankly even with the Obama precedent I don’t find anyone worthy on either side.

    Got anybody in mind you do find worthy, even if you don’t think they would be interested?

  17. The biggest problem I see with illegal immigrants, forgetting the lawlessness, employment and issues of sovereignty, is that I find the analogy of now and then so specious.

    What is happening now is not Ellis Island.

    I can attest on good authority as I have watched it happen in my own hometown, unlike the early 1900s we are not demanding these new arrivals adopt to a shared mindset and shared language. Latinos share a large part of the blame even if they were “legal.” Most would appear to me to have made little or no effort to assimilate into the system. None. Most seem to be comfortable working off the grid or underground.

    And I have a major problem with people that move here who then seek a form of apartheid holding fast to an inferior culture, with additional demands being placed on the greater culture to cater to their needs – bilingual classes for instance. The public school systems are being strained to the point many are on the brink of complete dysfunction in my hometown. I don’t want to hear this crap about in a generation or two, this will all go away.

    No it won’t. Once it was allowed, the bending of rules has escalated. Example – 36% of Oklahoma drivers are estimated to not being carrying insurance – and a predominate percentage of those are found to be illegal aliens. And guess who pays if there is a wreck and the uninsured are at fault?

    Don’t come here if you aren’t seeking a better life playing under the established laws and language.

  18. Rubio took risks. Made moves his base wouldn’t like.

    Bullshit. As soon as the base balked Rubio backed down.

    Obama and Rubio – state gov experience and first term senators. Give me a break.

    On your other comment the GOP establishment wants Trump to win just as badly as the Dems want Sanders. They both threaten the status quo and will be crushed if the power brokers have their way.

    GOP=DEM!!!!

  19. Tex you raise a good point I wanted covered in this discussion.

    One of Jindal’s go to statements is “immigration without assimilation is invasion”. Europe is having a problem with immigrants not assimilating.

    The melting pot has always been a bit of a myth. Manhattan composed of Chinatown, Little Italy, etcetera. How do you measure when a population has assimilated? Language? Participation in diverse groups?

  20. Rabbit, again on the theme of GOP=DEM, one of the reasons folks love Trump is the GOP got control of Congress and nothing changed. It’s the same reason they like Cruz. They feel they were sold a lie by the folks they sent to DC.

  21. “Bullshit. As soon as the base balked Rubio backed down.”

    And took a major hit. Pretty much fucked himself.

    I’m with you that Rubio has not done shit outsdie of politics.

    But he has been in Congress for almost a decade. He was Speaker of the House for Flordia, too.

    He votes.

    It’s just not comparable with the nobody that made you feel emo.

    Are you saying Obama led the way on a polarizing issue that would make enemies within in his own party?

    No. You aren’t.

    Becuase it didn’t happen.

    Do you understand when I say NOTHING….I mean NOTHING

  22. “The melting pot has always been a bit of a myth”

    The melting pot is not a myth. I’m living proof in the flesh.

  23. Hillary is your candidate. Your Dem rebellion will go nowhere unless Michelle Obama runs. Maybe Biden. Maybe. In that case it will be civil war between the bought and paid for delegates.

    Your machine is filthy. And can’t be stopped unless the Clinton’s are frog marched to jail. Which also won’t happen becuase the entire executive is also corrupt.

    The GOP is wide open.

    See the difference?

  24. Clinton is not lying this time. She has it in the bag. Only skin color can be a game changer in your hyper racist party. And there aren’t any blacks running. Gender is 2nd.

    Hell, your cowardly candidates are even allowed to say the skin color of my two little boys matter.

    Will your front runner go to jail? That really is the only question. How pathetic.

  25. Rabbit while it wasn’t a vote, Obama beat HRC in the primary partly because he opposed the war in Iraq when HRC didn’t. A lot of Dems signed onto that war. So he did buck the common wisdom, as did Sanders (who DID vote).

  26. I’ll give you this Rabbit. Bush ain’t a shoo-in (yet). It does appear wide open.

    It is amazing that this early in the game, HRC is already pulling the super delegate shit. She waited until Obama had her against the ropes the last time.

  27. I have suggested multiple books to you, Rutherford, and to my knowledge you have never cracked a single one, but as duty, let me suggest one more: Ayn Rand’s “The Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution.”

    It is written on a little higher plane than most and set in the ‘sixties/’seventies, but describes perfectly the Obama-led attempt to deconstruct America back to the time of horse and buggy. Using his EPA as a cudgel, he is beating American industry – and especially the energy industry – into the dirt – taking you all back to a “better” time.

    I especially like his latest – renaming Mt. McKinley “Denali” – what the natives originally called it. Of course, left to their own devices, the “natives” would still be living in 1830. And he’s singlehandedly blocking drilling for petrol on the North Slope.

    All very romantic, but your car won’t run on piss.

  28. I agree with rabbit. We have assimilated ourselves pretty well, though we are more salad than melting pot. Our relative success results from earlier regulated immigration combined with pauses to give new residents time to adopt our attitudes and values.

    Even so, we preserve our old heritages almost as if we were living in a time capsule. A Norwegian told me people in his country don’t care about the old traditions as much as people who have moved to the US. Local Danes found and bought an old windmill in Denmark and moved it here because the Danes were letting it disintegrate. Few people cared about the old useless artifact.

  29. A bill to change the mountain name has been struggling in Congress. Obama’s renaming it shows once again his low regard for Congress and the separation of powers. He thinks he is our king. Queen Michele wants to be free of the White House to enjoy the glory of ex first lady life.

  30. Merilin had goals which she wrote in detail. She wanted to earn a specific number of hits , and she wanted to be entertaining enough to earn a following. The Estonian wrote of her progress and checked off each item as she achieved it.

    Merilin became a cult hero to thirteen year old boys and girls. She enjoyed the fame until some thought they owned her. After two years of work, Merilin had accomplished what she had set out to do with four videos, and she dropped out of all social media. She has been silent for over six years, but it doesn’t matter. Her silence has made fans and the curious even more eager to learn of her fate.

    The Estonian has become a minor cult figure with over twelve million hits as people speculate on her fate. Some sites have been devoted to finding her. A popular theory is that she killed herself. Another is that she now lives in Texas.

    I am putting her here because the song is good advice about listening to our politicians and news media. She has also hidden herself as well as politicians hide their true natures.

  31. From the other thread…

    Well Poolman, while I still put this in the category of wackjob conspiracy theories, I must say I find the Dad’s demeanor very odd. If my precious daughter had been killed on live TV I’d be in a fetal position for at least a week. The LAST thing I’d be doing is spouting party line politics for the cameras. Very very odd.

    You’re not the only one. I couldn’t imagine doing a teevee interview. Basically, leave me alone while I deal with this. But these guys are right on top of it. Rahm it home. Never let a crisis go to waste, especially a MANufactured™ one.

    These ‘events’ will keep happening until they get all the guns out of Americans’ hands. The current administration has pushed this from the beginning. The ‘clinging to their guns and Bibles’ statement was challenge to pry our collective fingers from them, no matter method or means.

    “By Way of Deception, We Shall do War”

    No loving parents of a recently murdered child are going to spend the time directly after their loss running around getting talking points from various Bloomberg assets about what to say regarding gun-grabbing agendas. It’s just not going to happen folks. It’s inhuman. No one is callus enough, not even a failed wannbe actor, to sell the memory of their dead kid before she’s even in the grave.

    Yes, we are uncivilized if this kind of action passes for normal these days. I contend it doesn’t. At least not for some of us. It’s offensive. There used to be what we all understood as a decent period of mourning in this country, long before the spin doctors, marketing masters and propagandists decided on the optimal shelf-life of emotional currency.

    We should mourn the passing of that decency in America before we honor those who would betray it and their own loved ones for their own personal gratification.

    In short, stop celebrating ghouls who seek to cash in on the emotional currency of the still warm bodies of their fallen loved ones. It is profoundly obscene in a civilized society or at least, it used to be.

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/ghoulish-andy-parker-vows-to-become-the-sleazy-john-walsh-of-michael-bloombergs-war-against-the-2nd-amendment/

    So whether we believe the snews or not, we are still human and understand things in human terms. I am a ‘look me in the eye’ kind of guy. There are more accurate indicators than words to determine whether one is telling the truth or not. That discernment sharpens with use.

  32. First I want to thank Poolman and Alfie for copying comments from the old thread into the new for further discussion. Saves me the trouble of juggling two threads and makes it easier for all to follow.

    Second, Poolman I didn’t click the Willy Loman link but just how much time transpired before John Walsh became an advocate? While Walsh did turn his grief into a cottage industry, the show did result in several arrests. You gotta give him props for that.

    I’m not that familiar with the case of his son but the story of Etan Patz haunts me to this day. Kid begged his parents to let him walk to school and his proud rite of passage got him killed the very first day.

  33. Martin O’Malley speaks at a DNC meeting and accuses the debate process of being rigged for HRC. DWS gives him a dirty look. To borrow a phrase from Tex, she should be frog marched out the door. A bunch of talking heads on MoJo this morning ALL conceded that the debate process is being rigged for HRC.

    Fuuuuuuuuck.

  34. I don’t blame Michelle. It is a good thing.

    So the Democrats are setting up the debates to favor Hilary? Republicans will do the same if Trump survives. As the song I posted says “don’t trust them. Don’t trust me.”

  35. People who don’t want to work, and people that want to work in theory but are too lazy mentally and physically to get off their leather asses and get work – are happy with maximum illegal immigration. They don’t care what effect any of it has on anything except fixing future elections by breeding out the resistance. Teen unemployment? Huh? Who? Teens are the lowest on the priority scale, somewhere between fetus parts and free college for able bodied young adults with no ambition, in no small part as a result of teenage unemployment.

    People who can’t unravel the mystery of being a free society love maximum illegal immigration. Less freedom for everyone.

    Put that in your dog whistle and blow.

  36. Sheriff Clarke is a lesson in denouncing the violence committed in the name of holy black rage.

    He lives what is happening. Ergo, clarity. While media junkies flail around in front of two dimensional screen real estate, crafting their rage by proxy.

  37. @ Tex I’m running on empathy. I liked Walker but he’s lost me on his foreign policy red meat.
    I realize its way early but it a high stakes game and someone other than f#$%ing Donald Trump has to be willing to lay out real ideas with real potential to get me back in the game.

  38. Manhattan composed of Chinatown, Little Italy, etcetera. How do you measure when a population has assimilated? Language? Participation in diverse groups?

    I too have to take exception to this. Diversity can occur even where people hang with their own,that is actually a part of assimilation. Language is huge but that doesn’t mean you don’t teach your kids the parents native tongue.
    The Melting Pot means an assimilation but by no means an elimination of what makes you you. The catch is putting a priority America. The Irish,Italians,Germans etc did that. The Japanese did it and in the mid 20th Century looked how we repaid that,and look at how they dealt with it. Many Latinos did a good job for a long time too. It wasn’t until liberals demanded the hyphenation shit mattered more than America that we went from assimilation with familiar groupings to balkanization.

  39. Hey Lurker? You celebrating your idiot racist ilk talking one of your mindless,cowardly gorillas into shooting the evil white man in the back? You going to rationalize that act with one of your idiot “blacks can’t be racist speeches\?”

    Tell that to Darren Goforth’s two children.

    #BlackLiesMatter Yes We Can!

  40. Here’s the kind of colossal gross Obama incompetence that gets buried in the daily mess of mass Obama incompetence. Can you image if George Bush were President at this minute, the field day these useful idiots like Lurker and the corrupt media would be having?

    Lurker is too busy parroting mindless and irrelevant Lefty websites to notice just how incompetent her Dear Leader and his sycophants really are. Stupidity is thy name and idiocy is her game.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cyber-spy-20150831-story.html

  41. Thumbs down to the cock-eyed shrew who interviewed him. I can’t stand her.

    You’re consistent, Rutherford. Conservative, female, attractive. Hatred. LOL But you forgot to announce she is stupid too with a Palin comment thrown in for good measure. To be honest, I think that’s only the reason you’re so adamant about no Hillary. You got a problem with women. 😛

  42. I rather enjoy the way Donald Trump treats the press. Eeeyyyahhhhhhh siddown. And they’re like a dog at a window with him running around in the yard. They can’t turn away.

    Hillary could run around naked…oh, well, pick somebody else – Sarah Palin could run around naked, Obama could actually do something to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, and Trump could burp – and the press would have to call “Time!” to figure out what to cover.

  43. Tex, putting aside your Obama bashing, the cyber security issues in the LA Times piece are scary as hell. How long before some rogue actor shuts down the power grid?

  44. Conservative, female, attractive.

    Huh???? Judge Jeannine is attractive???

    Sarah Palin is hot as hell. Ann Coulter, a bit too thin but otherwise easy on the eyes. SE Cupp, quite pretty. But Judge Jeannine??? Get your eyes examined buddy.

  45. BTW Thanks for the Hillary gravatar. Much appreciated.

    Oh to answer your sexism charge which doesn’t deserve an answer, I’d be hard pressed not to support Liz Warren although I’d have to wrestle with the clouds of mendacity that hang over her.

    I’ll tell you one thing though. One of the traits I like in women is compassion and conservative women have a hard time showing that. So yes, conservative women tend to turn me off pretty fast.

  46. Putting aside her looks, Jeannine’s delivery is beyond grating. Frequent sarcasm and snide tone. Coulter is similar – makes you want to smack her in the mouth but I enjoy Coulter because I think she’s in on the joke. She’s having a grand time pushing buttons. I’m not doubting the sincerity of her beliefs but she pours it on for effect. I can see Coulter might be fun to have lunch with. Jeannine, not so much.

  47. So yes, conservative women tend to turn me off pretty fast.

    I got some good news. I don’t think you’re going to have to worry about the physical threat from Conservative Women.I think the compassionate Fat Granny types are right up your alley, Daddy O. 😈 Especially those compassionate Lefty females selling baby parts for PP and Co.. That “beauty” acting CEO from Stem Cell Express would wear your little ass out with compassion if she could get hold of you. So would the compassionate Lori of FG fame. 😆

  48. Yeah. No shit. “Compassionate” liberal women on video acting like the SS harvesting baby parts.

    Some of the most scary dead eyes I’ve ever

    Compassion…. Lol

  49. Ok ok. Liberal women clearly have no monopoly on compassion. I ain’t dying on the battlefield fighting that fight.

    Just posted the Carson essay on Facebook. One of the best things I’ve read in some time. Couldn’t find a thing wrong with it.

  50. Rutherford, does MSNBC interview cops and loved ones of the police executed from angry blacks? Did they show BLM celebrating the killing?

    Sickening.

    Hope it was all worth it, libs. The latest has a 5 year old little boy.

  51. “Rutherford, does MSNBC interview cops and loved ones of the police executed from angry blacks?”

    Interview? Not per se but I did see the very eloquent police chief say “cops lives matter, lives matter, let’s drop the qualifier”.

    “Did they show BLM celebrating the killing?”

    You lost me there. I understand BLM rhetoric likely triggered the assault. I understand some “idiots”, as Larry Elder called them, were asking for retribution but no formal BLM reps have called for violence nor have any celebrated the killing.

    I don’t like BLM Rabbit but you overstate the case to say they celebrated this murder.

    Now you can make a very good case (again one I heard on Elder’s show today) that if we can blame Gabby Gifford’s shooting on the right then we can blame the deputy’s death on the left. I can see that point.

  52. Now I don’t know if this makes the woman a real sicko but dude’s mother says he was shopping with her when the shooting went down. If she’s lying, what does that say about her conscience that she’d cover for her killer son?

  53. “that if we can blame Gabby Gifford’s shooting on the right”

    The person who killed Gabby Gifford’s was an insane leftist, you moron.

  54. “Loughner’s high school friend Zach Osler said, “He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn’t listen to political radio; he didn’t take sides; he wasn’t on theLeft; he wasn’t on the Right.”[17] A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as “left wing, quite liberal,”[40] “radical.”[41]

  55. The person who killed Gabby Gifford’s was an insane leftist, you moron.

    You missed the point (again). Putting aside your gaffe about her being killed (she was wounded), many on the left including me famously blamed right ring rhetoric (Palin’s crosshairs) for the shooting. I was referring to the blame game played by the left. If that could happen on the left then, it’s perfectly reasonable for it to happen on the right now. To say otherwise is hypocritical.

    So let’s try one more time. If the left can blame the right for Gabby’s shooting why can’t the right blame the left for the deputy’s shooting?

  56. “So let’s try one more time. If the left can blame the right for Gabby’s shooting why can’t the right blame the left for the deputy’s shooting?”

    The left shouldn’t have blamed the right. At all. As in no correlation what so ever.

    Nothing. Zilch.

  57. Remember when Barack Obama was going to stop the rising tide with the magnificence of his personhood?

    Tonight a new poll was released. 71% of the adults in the United States are dissatisfied with the state of the country. Damn near 3 out of 4 people have deemed Obama’s grand plans a disaster.

    Hope & Change! Meet miserable failure!

  58. You’re becoming Tigre. Let’s try a third shot at it.

    Giffords gets shot. Left blames right and few object. Cop gets shot and crickets come from the same media outlets when they could easily have blamed the left. Double standard.

  59. BLM is Lurker, Rutherford. Lurker is the kind of greasy little shit that would be out there marching with the rest of the dregs with misspelled signs and stuff.

    Remember that imbecile enabling these assholes from the last thread? I don’t mean to disparage all of you Leftists, well yes I do but not to this degree, but Lurker is absolutely reprehensible turd too – a weak-minded and failed black racist with delusions of some importance.

  60. 71% of the adults in the United States are dissatisfied with the state of the country.

    You’re not very good at stat analysis are you? Maybe the 71% are pissed at the GOP congress more than Obama? Unless you’ve got a more detailed breakdown, you’re leaping.

    But more to the point, the stat states the obvious. Would a happy country want to elect Donald Trump?

  61. The left hand no reason to attach Jared Loughner to the right. None. It was one of the most disgusting displays I’ve ever seen and I will never forget it. Never.

    So you shouldn’t even bring it up. At all.

    Now..as Bill O’Reilly rightfully pointed out today.01% of all arrests lead to a shooting. .01%!!

    And….BLM is still chanting Pigs in a Blanket Fry them like Bacon!

    The rhetoric is fucking nuts.

    It IS related.

    Loughner NOT related.

    BLM is.

  62. Tex … Lurker and I disagree on BLM but I don’t question her motives. I think her heart is in the right place.

    If any proverb has hit home with me since I started this blog 8 years ago, it’s “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

    Carson’s USA Today editorial should he mandatory reading for all.

  63. Do you understand the the chant Pigs in a Blanket, Burn them Like Blanket was tweeted out by cop killer before he killed them.

    And after the cop was murdered, BLM chanted this. 100s of them?

    And you compare this to Loughner?

  64. The left hand no reason to attach Jared Loughner to the right. None

    Wrong. It was indeed a natural assumption based on right wing rhetoric aimed directly at Giffords at the time.

    So AGAIN rhetoric was blamed for the shooting. If it can happen left against right, it can happen right against left. Whether the cause is there or not is totally beside the point. We are talking about the blame game.

    If we find out that the killer’s dog Samny told him to shoot the cop, it doesn’t change the point I (and conservative Larry Elder) am making.

  65. Do you understand the the chant Pigs in a Blanket, Burn them Like Blanket was tweeted out by cop killer before he killed them.

    No I didn’t. Last I heard motive was unknown.

  66. Wtf?

    The guy that killed Giffords wasn’t a right ringer.

    In fact. I just learned Dem campaigns were also using bulls-eyes etc. on websites.

    Gifford’s was a politician….being a politician, by definition, entails political conflict.

    You have no right to pretend the two are even remotely comparable.

  67. Do you understand the the chant Pigs in a Blanket, Burn them Like Blanket was tweeted out by cop killer before he killed them.

    I’ve read a half dozen articles including one from Breitbart and I can find nothing about the suspects Twitter account. Can you document this Rabbit?

  68. And after the cop was murdered, BLM chanted this. 100s of them?

    And the article I posted earlier about the chant said nothing about “100’s”. It said a few protesters in the crowd chanted. It’s reprehensible but I also think you’re exaggerating.

    Unless it’s breaking news that I can’t find, the police have found no motive for the killing.

  69. You’re not very good at stat analysis are you? Maybe the 71% are pissed at the GOP congress more than Obama? Unless you’ve got a more detailed breakdown, you’re leaping.

    Even stupider than the usual stupid. The more clever the man tries to become, the dumber he reads.

    Who cares what the reason is, dummy? Maybe 3/4 of the nation is pissed at Kayne West. You dolts promised us utopia seven years ago. Hope & Change! Remember? You even plastered your ugly mug on one those Obama logos which I am so glad Poolman dredged up for a good laugh. LOL Where’s the Yes We Can you promised us Schultz I know nothing?

    Do you have no shame? Obama has been rendered an abysmal failure. There’s no way around it. How’s it feel to throw your heart and soul into a charlatan and failure, brick? 😈 You want to know how positively stupid Barry is? Tomorrow this stooge is flying on a 747 over the arctic circle to denounce global warming. ROFL!

    You need to belong to party affiliated with your talents, Rutherford. Team up with Densi. #BlackLiesMatter

  70. Tex … Lurker and I disagree on BLM but I don’t question her motives. I think her heart is in the right place.

    What do you mean her heart is in the right place? Surely that was a pitiful attempt at parody.

    Lurker is the caricature of everything that is wrong with the black community. I mean everything. Racist, stupid, ill informed, an indoctrinated hatemonger, useful idiot, and unmitigated tool. She’s a fucking racist pig with lipstick trying to mask the clown lips.

    What do you mean you don’t question her motives? That dimwit is enabler to a bunch of jackasses chanting “pigs in a blanket – fry um like bacon.”

    That piece of granite was in here defending those racist assholes last week. Lurker should be summarily rejected, marginalized and scorned by the greater community. She’s a menace.

  71. Who cares what the reason is, dummy? Maybe 3/4 of the nation is pissed at Kayne West.

    You blamed Obama. If they’re pissed at Kanye (or Congress or whatever) what does that have to do with Obama? Again you cite a stat with no support that Obama is the cause of the stat but blame him anyway.

  72. Lol. The guy that says a bulls eye never seen by Loughner, an apolitical psycho, was a reasonable link to the Giffords shooting.

    Hope & Change!

    Enjoy the debate fellas. Fun ain’t it?

  73. You blamed Obama. If they’re pissed at Kanye (or Congress or whatever) what does that have to do with Obama? Again you cite a stat with no support that Obama is the cause of the stat but blame him anyway.

    Who is it that sets the direction of the country? This man is beyond pitiful – not even useful idiot material anymore.

    Does anybody reading here but the insufferably stupid Lurker believe for one second if George Bush were President and a trusted survey came out that said: The Quinnipiac University poll released Monday found that 71 percent of US voters are “dissatisfied” with the country’s direction, including 41 percent who are “very dissatisfied…” this feckless man would be excusing George Bush and blaming it on Congress, the weather, Miley Cyrus, or anything else for that matter?

    We know better. Because that’s exactly what this jackass blog owner and excuse maker did eight years ago. And it’s been that way now for about eight years. Seven years of famine under Obama and things have grown substantially worse, and this shill wants to point in any direction but Obama.

    It’s not just that Progs are simply dishonest. They’re transparent hypocrites as well.

  74. Liberal women clearly have no monopoly on compassion.

    Uh, yeah. You could say that.

    Liberal Compassion is deciding when a child is better off never having been born, judging when a woman is acting in her own self interests, and when a working man has kept to much of his own wages.

    “Parker, even opening her mouth could end well so long as air doesn’t pass through her larynx. 😘 ”

    Sounds real turned off, doesn’t he?

    I dont hear a lot of conservative men openly talking about wanting to fuck the liberal women they hate.

  75. “I guess you weren’t paying attention. I gave up. One Tigre around here is more than enough.”

    The stupid lingers like the smell of a rotting corpse.

  76. “I don’t hear a lot of conservative men openly talking about wanting to fuck the liberal women they hate.”

    It is getting a little rapey in here.

  77. Until I see a quote from the right that said anything resembling “kill Gilffords” then the claim he was acting on rhetoric is ridiculous and any comparison to multiple cops being killed following BLM rhetoric is ridiculous.

  78. About the only thing I’m interested in here when it comes to Rutherford is the following question.

    Is this whole thing just a very poorly played game of debate chess where he throws hail marry passes (like his latest Loughner false comparison) in which he doesn’t really care or believe the shit he says?

  79. “The breaking Chicago area shooting is likely a crime related issue not a hunting of cops thing”

    Why do you say that?

  80. Rutherford is probably in his apartment during this manhunt trembling with fear hiding behind his daughter brandishing a large spoon as a weapon.

  81. That would be wooden spoon, as Rutherford crosses his fingers in the sign of a cross to fight off the Christian theocracy on the march. 😈

    I’ve come to the conclusion DR, that Rutherford actually believes the things he says in retort. I used to just think, “Nah, he can’t be that dumb and Rutherford is just throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks.”

    The last several months have convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt, “Nah, he really is that confused.”

  82. Cop initiated foot pursuit after radioing “suspicious activity” and now it’s reported 2 whites 1 black all males are who the police are searching for.

  83. Who is it that sets the direction of the country?

    Are you kidding me? The potus has complete control? You know better.

    I actually saw some of the numbers under your simplistic 71%. Did you notice the Republicans surveyed ranked dissatisfied in the 90’s and the Dems were in the 40’s? Wonder why that is? Could it be they expected the GOP congress that they elected to DO something?

    Has Boehner even made good yet on the lawsuit he threatened against Obama? Just asking.

  84. Until I see a quote from the right that said anything resembling “kill Gilffords” then the claim he was acting on rhetoric is ridiculous and any comparison to multiple cops being killed following BLM rhetoric is ridiculous.

    OK I’m gonna try this one last time. It’s not about the FACTS of either case. It’s about the media’s reaction when Dems play the blame game vs when Republicans do it. When Dems do it, it has legs. When Republicans do it, it usually doesn’t get the same kind of traction. And that should not be the case.

    Period.

  85. No….it’s worse then that.

    The Dems were full of complete shit and took advantage of Gifford’s. And you were right there with them.

  86. Rutherford is probably in his apartment during this manhunt trembling with fear hiding behind his daughter brandishing a large spoon as a weapon.

    LOL. Until about an hour ago, kid at school, and me saying “thank you for calling customer care, may I have your card number please?”

    I live in a very safe neighborhood far from where the action is. Chicago’s daily murders don’t even register with me much less make me tremble.

    And by the way I’m fucking lethal with a spoon.

  87. “The Dems were full of complete shit and took advantage of Gifford’s. And you were right there with them.”

    The dems took advantage of Rutherford, as they always do.

    A pathetic low.

  88. Huck that sounds like a loaded question. 😊

    With a larger circulation and maybe even some pay I might apply “the media” to what I do.

    As it is, I’m just a bartender at a tiny corner bar. 😊

  89. Are you kidding me? The potus has complete control? You know better.

    According to you assholes, George Bush was completely responsible in 2008 for the fall of Lehman, Citigroup, the Housing Bubble, and the economy. Take your medicine, lightweight. You have failed, as has your President failed.

    Barack 2008 = Hope & Change + Nobel Peace Prize
    Barack 2015 = #BlackLiesMatter + ISIS

  90. According to you assholes, George Bush was completely responsible in 2008 for the fall of Lehman, Citigroup, the Housing Bubble, and the economy.

    Ahhh yes, payback again.

  91. “Huck that sounds like a loaded question.”

    It sort of was. I was just curious how much of what you blame on “the media” you would also attribute to yourself, especially in the context of what we are currently discussing about the media’s role in propagating particular ideas.

  92. I was just curious how much of what you blame on “the media” you would also attribute to yourself

    I’d like to think if I did this for a living or even did it for free with a much wider audience I’d be MUCH more rigorous and less likely to spout party politics.

    When I started this 8 years ago I just wanted a place to mouth off. Over the years I’ve had various degrees of rigor. Lately I’ve been pretty lazy intellectually.

    There is zero doubt I have misfired on a few occasions. Most notably the guy who committed suicide in the woods and I screamed “murder!!” I’ve been more right than wrong about Palin but I overplayed my hand on the Giffords shooting. I probably underestimated the Tea Party and was waaaay too optimistic about OWS.

    So yes, like the media, I’ve been guilty of double standards and jumping the gun.

  93. Is there any worse feeling then attempting to fix something, walking out in failure and telling your wife to call a professional.

    I can’t put my toilet back together without it leaking. Can’t even fix a fucking toilet.

    Disgusted with myself. And the worst part is my son will be just as much as a moron as me.

  94. And the worst part is my son will be just as much as a moron as me.

    No, actually even worse will be the day when he says “Dad, you can’t fix a toilet? Heck, I can do that!”

  95. I was right about what you were wrong, Rutherford. I am not bragging. I am trying to show that I am not entirely stupid.

    Our kitchen had settled enough to prevent our closing the door. I jacked up that part of the house, and still failed to fix the problem. I was afraid to exert too much pressure on that part of the kitchen.

    I used a chain saw to cut down the lower door frame enough to get the door open and closed.
    Nails were a problem. I sanded the frame and we have had no trouble for ten years.

    But rabbit, what I did was much more stupid than you berate yourself for. A nail and a chain saw don’t get along well. I was lucky.

  96. @ dead rabbit if it is any consolation toilets ,especially older ones and more modern “brand name” ones are notorious for not working well with the various universal kits.
    Where is it leaking from?

  97. There is zero doubt I have misfired on a few occasions. Most notably the guy who committed suicide in the woods and I screamed “murder!!” I’ve been more right than wrong about Palin but I overplayed my hand on the Giffords shooting. I probably underestimated the Tea Party and was waaaay too optimistic about OWS.

    Misfired on a few occasions? You misfired in that entire comment and blew your own ass off. But you do have a gift for understatement.

    Let me tell you your colossal misfire – your inherited malady of retinitis Progmentosa.

    It’s the 10,000lbs of bullshit sitting in each and every middle class living room in America tonight. It’s the albatross around every active military man’s neck. It’s the lead weight in the ass of the economy. It’s one ton useful idiot book of feckless regulations added to the roles. It’s the millions of people running for their lives and the entire U.S.police force looking over their shoulders at the gross ineptness and race/class/gender warfare stoked on purpose.

    It’s called Barack Obama. And it’s a plague upon the earth.

  98. Alphie…it’s leaking everywhere now. At the posts….the damn Seal by the flush thing. You name it. Fucking disaster.

  99. Where’s your toilet leaking, DR? In my “retirement” 😯 I’ve become pretty handy with the plumbing. I assume it’s a two piece tank you’re working with? Is it leaking between the seat and the tank? I guarantee you if it is, you would do better to run to Lowes and purchase a new toilet and ring for about $225.00 with a new woven steel flex hose then you would to call a plumber.

    There is absolutely nothing to installing a tank if you can handle the ‘physical part.’ 🙂 And from the looks of those pictures you’ve sent me with the cut off shirts, you could rip the foundation out of your house. I don’t think we need to worry about you not being able to pull up the toilet.

  100. Didn’t see your post, Rabbit. Alfie is right. Those universal kits generally aren’t worth a shit and most are dated three years after you buy them. Plus, one thing I discovered the hard way – you don’t put the screws to most plumbing fixtures. Take a ruler or tape measure and get the measurements for the width of the two bolts. If memory serves, the standard is 11″. You can buy a nice toilet at Home Depot with ring for $225. Unless the toilet near new, the hassle alone is worth just replacing the toilet.

    Drop the old one in some #BlackLivesMatter front yard as a bonus. 😈

    But I will tell you that plumber’s putty is also a lifesaver and it’s as easy to work with as Playdough.

  101. I thoroughly dislike fixing toilets, and I’ve had to fix a few. There was a time it seemed I was the goto guy for that kind of stuff. Not fun, and agree with Tex, sometimes it’s easier to plop a new one down instead of spending the time and frustration fixing an old one. The thought of either one of you two wrestling a commode cracks me up. Between the butt cleavage and the cursing… 😛

  102. That picture is funny as hell, Poolman. 🙂 I wish I could find one of those. But I didn’t curse the toilet. I am cursing the law about right now.

    I will tell you this. It took me about 45 minutes to remove and install the last toilet, not counting the trip to Lowes. And at least 35 minutes of that was neatly chipping the grout away (which I later caulked the new) and scraping the old ring off.

  103. “Unless the toilet near new, the hassle alone is worth just replacing the toilet.”

    Alfie, Tex…

    You guys sre right. These universal kits are impossible on an old toilet.

    Fuck….what a waste of time.

    Plus…it caused a blow out argument with my wife.

    Fuck!

  104. Tex, I had to fix one at my bil’s house that was leaking around the flange. When I pulled it I saw that the flange was not installed correctly and the metal bracket around it that holds the bolts was rusted almost completely through. That meant another trip to home depot for more parts. I ended up having to modify the new flange just to make it work. It took over 4 hours to fix and reset the damned thing. The rightest thing to do would have been jackhammer the floor out and cut the piping below grade and glue on a new flange. Patch the floor and reset tiles. I wasn’t willing or prepared to go there. As it was I only allowed an hour and a half including picking up parts. That was my last experience fixing toilets.

  105. Plus…it caused a blow out argument with my wife.

    Well I thank you for that. In this world of yin and yang your fight probably saved me from a battle with mine. It’s our 15th anniversary tomorrow and the last thing I need is to piss her off.

  106. Rabbit, unless you have to shim, most toilets are pretty easy to replace. Poolman’s story is the exception – and I would call a plumber for that. And if you have to shim, this plumber I like suggested I use lead strips as they are malleable. I didn’t have to, but it made sense as they would not rust either.

    The first fight I ever had with my wife (fortunately we were married by then) was over installing a light fixture above a sink. I said, “Okay, hand me the nut.” “What nut?” “You know, the decorative nut that keeps the fixture attached to the wall.” “I don’t see a nut.” “Dammit, how the hell am I supposed to tighten this hideous thing you and that imbecile decorator picked out if I don’t have the decorative nut.” “What did you say?” 😈

    😈

  107. “It’s our 15th anniversary tomorrow”

    Happy anniversary. It is also my 26th. We had to have known this before and just forgot?

  108. LOL I’m guessing it went something like this:

    Mrs. R: Rabbit call a plumber.
    DR: No I can fix it.
    Mrs. R: Rabbit call a plumber.
    DR: No I can fix it.
    Mrs. R: Rabbit call a plumber.
    DR: No I can fix it.
    Mrs. R: what’s wrong?
    DR: I can’t fix the toilet.
    Mrs. R: I TOLD YOU TO CALL A PLUMBER!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡

  109. One compash liberal loser wishes she hadn’t been so public with her compassion about the dead cop.

    After she tweeted “I can’t believe so many people care about a dead cop and NO ONE has thought to ask what he did to deserve it. He had creepy perv eyes…” followed shortly thereafter by #BlackLivesMatter – she was arrested on an outstanding warrant for assault for punching some guy in the face several times in 22011. Now the Sam Houston State U where she attends classes – probably paid for by the dead cop and not the perp – is looking at the sitch. Some alumni have been weighing in with strong opinions.

    “SHSU has a strong Student Code of Conduct. The student’s remarks will be evaluated to determine if the code was violated following standardized due process. The university has an ongoing commitment to taking actions that strengthen dialog and understanding between our students and the law enforcement community.”

    Ha. Ha. Ha.

    But hey I’m sure her heart’s in the right place.

  110. Keep your eyes on the “air gap” problem about to arise in the HRC email scandal. This should be the nail in her coffin for worthwhile;e defenses to the criminal statutes based on “intent.”

    p.s.air gap means that State Department employees (Huma and others) received the classified on a dedicated system that does not link up to the internet or regular email channels (no forwarding of emails outside of the system) then manually duplicated/summarized the info on a non classified computer and eventually through to Hillary’s personal email.

  111. Man, lets hope the great state of Texas starts leading the way and tossing these treasonous, vile scumbags out to the street. Then they too can join the employed #BlackLiesMatter. We need to do the same with a bunch of these racist professors…

    Brand the Scarlett ‘A’ on their foreheads on the way out. Asshole…

  112. p.p.s. stated differently, she had to have deliberately breached security protocol in bypassing the safeguards — which also means that the “I didn’t send or receive emails marked confidential” an obscene act of dishonesty concerning our national security one can imagine.

    And the dems will still back her, and if nominated Rutherford will vote for her. Guaranteed!

  113. “And the dems will still back her”

    I make it a point to read the comment sections of news stories. I see a lot of “GOP witch hunt”, which is funny seeing as it’s not the GOP that is investigating her. I also see a lot of “everyone does it”, “it wasn’t classified when she sent/received it”, “why aren’t all the repugs being forced to hand over their emails?”

    And my favorite…”let’s take a look at Cheney’s emails then we’ll talk”

  114. Keep your eyes on the “air gap” problem about to arise in the HRC email scandal. This should be the nail in her coffin for worthwhile;e defenses to the criminal statutes based on “intent.”

    Interesting observation. Some yahoo on the tube last week claimed that since there are two separate email systems, one secure one not, that ipso facto HRC could not have received or sent confidential info. They REALLY think we are idiots.

    Of course Bill Maher was so stupid last week that he declared HRC not guilty but couldn’t even accurately articulate what she’s been accused of.

  115. “Some yahoo on the tube last week claimed that since there are two separate email systems, one secure one not, that ipso facto HRC could not have received or sent confidential info.”

    It proves the opposite. She would’ve received confidential information marked as such on the secure system, duplicated or summarized it without the designation on the other (personally or with the help of people that don’t have clearance — or whom she had to know were breaching protocol), then transmitted it to her private server.

    And that would explain the Clinton weasel words, “I did not send or receive material marked ‘classified’ on my [private and unsecured] email server.” the process summarizing/duplicating and transferring from secure to insecure removed the designation.

    Best of all? Much of this landed in Sid Blumenthal’s inbox who was forbidden from receiving it by Obama.

  116. Worst of all? The Chinese or others probably have those emails and, aside from disclosure of their content, could black mail/extort Hillary with proof she committed a crime. How dandy would that be if she were elected?

    And still the majority of dems would support her.

  117. Tigre there’s even an email from Clinton to an underling saying, and I paraphrase, “c’mon, it’s public knowledge. Forward it to me.” And the underling replies “I know you’re frustrated but I can’t forward it to you. It won’t leave the system.”

    So she was actually encouraging subordinates to email her stuff SHE felt should not have been classified.

    This is truly “the Clinton rules” being implemented. The arrogance is staggering.

    And Huck is right. The excuse makers are out in full force. Harold Ford Jr. was giving her some lame defense this morning. “We should not question her patriotism.” Scarborough asked him “do we question the patriotism of Petraeus? Patriotism has nothing to do with this.”

  118. I think she has fucked Sid Blumenthal.

    How depraved do you have to be when even the corrupt thug Obama doesn’t want anything to do with you? I’ll bet the real reason Obama said he didn’t want Blumenthal hanging around was envy. The only people better at graft than the Obamas are the Clintons.

  119. Two more died in America today. One in our own state. But know this…This afternoon, tonight, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year and always, we’ll go back out there and defend you, our citizens, with our lives.

    We didn’t choose this career for the money and we sure don’t do it for the glory! We do it because we are you….We are your brothers, we are your sisters, we are your sons and daughters, we are your moms and dads and we are your neighbors and friends. You are our life blood and we yours. We will protect you! Yes, even with our own lives if necessary.

    These are terrible times in law enforcement. Worse I’ve seen in thirty-five years, but we know there is more good than evil. We know the majority stand beside us and will not accept what is happening in a strange and twisted time.

    I for one am proud to be in Law Enforcement and proud to be one of your cops! Thank you to our citizens that in this year when we have needed you, you have been there in words, cards, letters, the anonymous bought lunches, cookies brought to the station and most importantly the hugs, hand shakes and telling us “thank you for what you do”. Those gestures at so very appreciated, yes even by the calloused, veteran cops who truly have “Seen it all”.

    As for what the Thin Blue Line means to us. It means this. We will always be there to try and stop the wolf at your door.

    We are not perfect, we are not infallible, and sometimes we flat out fail, but 99.9% of us are good of heart and believe in our duties and commitments we have to you. Stay strong Law Enforcement across our great country, as we have no other option but to prevail.

    W. Patrick Swanton
    Waco Police Department

  120. These assholes might want to be careful about pushing their bullshit too awfully far. They might find the blow back wasn’t worth it. Here’s a graffiti answer I saw today addressed to the Pigs in a Blanket Crowd from Texas.

    💩🐵🔫👮

  121. I think she prefers the company of women, Rutherford.

    Yes. I really, really do.

    (plus no man could possibly. . . you know. . . function with that)

  122. Jesus….don’t go to the drudge report. Dead toddler face down in the beach.

    Sound foreign policy under Obama.

    Notice these maggots from the Left who browbeat George Bush over Iraq have suddenly gone silent now that far more people have died in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, etc… because of Barack Obama’s gross incompetence of allowing both ISIS, Al Qaeda and Assad to run wild? This is what happens when a sham and incompetent asshole is elected to the American Presidency.

    But hey, we got Usama!!!! Yes We Can!

  123. “Notice these maggots from the Left who browbeat George Bush over Iraq have suddenly gone silent now that far more people have died in Syria, Libya, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, etc…”

    Oh fuck yeah they have gone silent. Libya doesn’t even exist. They don’t like uttering the name of these countries.

    Europe is dealing with the worst immigration/refugee crisis since the Huns….

    The upheaval and misery is apocalyptic.

    And they don’t dare look….like Planned Parenthood video….. Ignore.  

  124. “Jesus….don’t go to the drudge report. Dead toddler face down in the beach.”

    Fuck that. Make Pfesser take a good long look. This is exactly what he wants to happen, rather than have that little boy or his kind infest the rest of the oh so peaceful world.

  125. Wow. Dead toddler on the beach. Talk about a late-term abortion! Think of how big a cork it took to keep that kid in for two years…

  126. Huck,

    I’m not sure I get your point. I have all the empathy in the world for that little boy and his family (as in I’m heart broken) while also completely aware flooding Europe with Obama’s anarchy refugees isn’t good for Europe. At all.

    I think that’s a cheap shot on Parker.

  127. This is Obama’s and his allies fault.,Everyone of those people and voters who put them in office should be forced to look at the bodies they partly caused. They should also look at the bodies of partially aborted babies just as Germans were forced to visit the Nazi death camps.

    They, in their way are part of the casual evil of progressivism.

  128. I came home this morning to freeze sweetcorn, and its a good thing I did. The Union Pacific cut our power and installed a generator so they could replace the collapsed raid bridge and section of track.

    I arrived to a hot, dark house with water running from the refrigerator.
    I called the power company., The woman had no idea of what I was talking about. it took her twenty five minutes to learn the source of the generator. I called her boss to commend the woman who had helped me.

    No one could reach the Union Pacific rep and while we waited for his call, the Power company workers arrived. They had no idea of what to do with the quiet generator, but noted it was out of fuel. I got some diesal fuel from our tank and they poured it in. The generator started, and my produce was saved.

    They came later and turned off the power again while they hooked our farm to the grid.

  129. James, my corn came in very tasty, sweet with large yellow and white kernels.

    But every cob of corn had no corn on the top 1/3. As in none. It was like each piece was perfect, no bugs or anything but missing the other half.

    Reasons?

  130. Lol. Lib parasite. Can we really blame Obama for the corn? More likely our marketing arm involved in repackaging. More package, less product, same price. 🙂

  131. Did you guys see the video that’s gone viral that shows the side-by-side comparison between a real glock firing live rounds compared to the video of the supposed shooting? Apparently you can rent a ‘non gun’ for theatrical use that looks just like a real one but uses a battery to create the effects. The flame out of the end of the barrel and no apparent casings ejected are probably the the most obvious difference in the side-by-side.

    Some claim the pistol’s recoil is being faked and/or exaggerated, but that isn’t obvious to me. And it is a white hand that is holding the weapon, based on the skin tones of everyone else in the shot (no pun intended).

  132. I normally don’t get into Poolman’s flights of fancy, but I have to ask, and I hope I’m not sorry …

    Are you saying, Pools, that the live-on-the-air shootings of the Roanoke, VA cameraman and reporter are fake? And that the shooter’s own Facebook page – which I saw personally just as they took it down – is fake, too? Are you saying that, or am I confused?

    Unless my understanding of Newton’s third law is also fake, there is no way to create a recoil unless something leaves the gun – like a bullet. You know – action and reaction? The total energy in the gun == energy in the bullet. Which is why it is so easy to spot movie shootings as bogus, because the only thing that leaves the gun is the paper wadding from blank rounds and there is virtually NO RECOIL.

    If I misunderstand, forgive me. If I do not, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

  133. while also completely aware flooding Europe with Obama’s anarchy refugees isn’t good for Europe. At all.
    I think that’s a cheap shot on Parker.

    This is a misunderstanding combined with stupidity.

    The misunderstanding: I think Huck is making reference to Parker’s eugenics tendencies.

    The stupid: the anarchy has not a damn thing to do with Obama. When are you going to get through your head when we try to control the destiny of other countries, we invariably fail?

    I think it was Tex who made a similarly silly comment about Obama helping Assad and ISIL. He ignores that without Assad, ISIL would probably own most of Syria.

    We have a no-win in that region and even our best buddy Saudi Arabia is a state sponsor of terrorism.

  134. “anarchy has not a damn thing to do with Obama.”

    The anarchy is exactly what we told you was going to happen, plus,we went on to say why it will happen.

    You on the other hand were sure it would not. Want to go back in time on this blog?

    He created a power vacuum in the Middle East.

    When he did remove regimes (without going to Congress), he had no plan. (Which is pretty ironic).

    You are also part of the disease.

    Suddenly, geopolitics are not used to asses a President. What a joke to see. What an ignorant joke. How low can we go.

    Wow.

    It’s worse then any Greek Tragedy.

    Actually, it literally is a Greek tragedy. And Hungarian. Czech, Ukranian, Syrian, Egytpian (in fairness they got that one so wrong it came full circle) German, Iraqi etc etc etc.

  135. I would go with incomplete fertilization or a shortage of moisture. Field corn in a drought often is barren. The corn plant is conserving moisture or food.

  136. Rutherford, as usual….you incapable of discerning reality as an adult.
    I don’t think you understand the instability. You must not.

  137. “The corn plant is conserving moisture or food.”

    Yeah…it’s like the heatcof August made it abort kernals and give all its divided attention to the bottom 2/3.

    I think my boy got slack on watering.

  138. Yes, Obama helped create the vacume leading to the disintegration which is flooding Europe and other countries with refugees.

    If we have a no win situation, we have Obama and his allies to thank for it.

    We fail to control the destinies of other countries if we fight with our hands behind our backs.

  139. Are you saying, Pools, that the live-on-the-air shootings of the Roanoke, VA cameraman and reporter are fake?

    Fake bullets, no deaths. Yes.

    Here you go, Parker

    That is what I am saying. And I am no gun expert, but anyone watching the comparison can tell it is not the same. I don’t think blanks, but a ‘non gun’ used in movies/theater.

  140. Another factor influencing corn yields is the timing of moisture. Heavy spring rain provides enough surface moisture to keep corn roots from growing as deep as they might go. If the later summer is dry the corn sufferers more than it might because the roots are too shallow to fully tap moisture just below.

    If spring is dry, corn roots follow the moisture down. They can grow as far as five feet or more.

    Quite a few people irrigate here. Each rotation of a center pivot can cost up to $800 or $1000. A mechanical malfunction can be a desperate time for corn. Hours can make a difference in the potential yield.

    Some corn varieties are more drought and heat resistant than others.

  141. He created a power vacuum in the Middle East.

    And you accuse me of spouting partisan bullshit!!! We, as in Cheney and Bush, created a power vacuum when we took out Saddam. That started the whole damn thing. I agree with those who say our invasion of Iraq was the single worst FP error we have made since Vietnam.

    It’s funny that when Bush fucked up “spreading democracy” you’re fine and dandy. Obama follows the same course with the Arab Spring, and he’s an idiot.

  142. I know you guys don’t like fueling Poolman’s insanity BUT since I know nothing about guns can anyone refute/explain the side by side video Pools posted? The gun behavior does indeed look different and goddam that hand looks like it belongs to a white guy.

    Pools, could it be that the woman was indeed shot but a fake doctored “shooters view” video got posted?

    It’s also interesting that in this 15 mins of fame society, I’ve seen no interviews with the only survivor of the incident.

    Of all Pool’s conspiracy theories, I must admit this smells the fishiest. I still can’t deal with the grieving father’s behavior.

  143. Can you believe Rutherford is trying to pass off the Middle East on fire as Bush & Cheney? 😆 😆 Beyond the pathetic. What a lousy enabler this weasel is.

    Russia reset to the USSR, China sailing warships in our waters, ISIS the JV, Syria on fire where we forgot the red line, meddling in Egypt with the secular Muslim Brotherhood casting out allies, using Yemen as a model to fight terror literally at the same time the government was falling into terrorist’s hands, Afghanistan lost with 80% of American military deaths under the regime of Obama, Libya and unmitigated disaster flying Al Qaeda flags while Barack accused the deaths of four Americans on a poor video and lied in a debate, then keep the shill in jail for over a year who made the video, Nigeria they still can’t find the girls, Somalia running wild, the Sauds have given up, Iran with a nuke, Iraq lost, and Israel shit on.

    And 15% of the active military gives Obama a passing grade.

    Now we’re friends with Cuba while they tell Bozo the President to kiss their ass – they still openly imprison dissidents and kill them at their leisure.

    We haven’t even gotten to the illegal immigration fiasco.

    If Obama had tried purposely to fuck things up, he couldn’t have done a better job.

  144. I hope they put Kim Davis, the KY clerk who won’t issue a gay marriage license and her fat ass in jail for 24 hours and see if she comes to her senses.

    She’s not a fucking baker or photographer or preacher. She’s a government employee who must play by the rules. She can look for a new job if her faith causes so much conflict.

    P.S. Mmm I wonder if Jesse Cruz, one of the gay guys is illegal? 😂😂😂😂😂 (I’m channeling Trump.)

  145. Re: Kim Davis….she is a government official. She doesn’t get to pick and choose which laws she recognizes, any more than Obama does. She needs to either quit, be fired, or be found in contempt.

    With that said, Rand Paul just lost me by supporting her. If he can support a county clerk deciding which laws she will and won’t follow then he, as president, would be picking and choosing which laws he enforced. And I’m not playing that shit.

  146. Rutherford, these things always bring up more questions than they answer. Stuff like this bothers me:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=memorial%20funds%20for%20alison%20parker

    Who is all the money for and why would all these be set up on the day she died?

    Just like my favorite author from snopes points out right after the Charleston church shootings the government fast tracked 29 million bucks to help. Within 2 days.

    http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/01/charleston-victims-payout/

    The snopes angle is the government gave blacks preferential treatment compared to other mass shooting payouts, which I previously had no idea there was so much to made from tragedy until recently.

  147. I don’t know how old this joke is but I got a kick out of it:

    Two hillbillies walk into a restaurant. While having a bite to eat, they talk about their moonshine operation.
    Suddenly, a woman at a nearby table, who is eating a sandwich, begins to cough.
    After a minute or so, it becomes apparent that she is in real distress. One of the hillbillies looks at her and says, ‘Kin ya swallar?’
    The woman shakes her head no. Then he asks, ‘Kin ya breathe?’
    The woman begins to turn blue, and shakes her head no.
    The hillbilly walks over to the woman, lifts up her dress, yanks down her drawers, and quickly gives her right butt cheek a lick with his tongue.
    The woman is so shocked that she has a violent spasm, and the obstruction flies out of her mouth.As she begins to breathe again, the Hillbilly walks slowly back to his table. His partner says, ‘Ya know, I’d heerd of that there ‘Hind Lick Maneuver’ but I ain’t niver seed nobody do it!’

  148. I hope they put Kim Davis, the KY clerk who won’t issue a gay marriage license and her fat ass in jail for 24 hours and see if she comes to her senses.

    I hope she inspires millions of us to get off our apathetic, cowardly butts and finally tell you irreligious Christian bigots and bullies to blow it out your asses – we don’t recognize your new laws anymore, and we will not allow Barack Obama, Rutherford Lawson, a bunch of thug faggots, or five priestly robes to be our moral conscience another minute. That’s the real war that ought to be going on in this country.

    In my lifetime, I’ve watch people who think like you two ruin everything from TV to public schools. It’s a disgrace. I’m not running from you and your legal fiats anymore.

    You want to start broaching the 1st Amendment, do you? Talk about removing the tax exempt status and move to the state power do you? You want to start monitoring sermons while you view from the pew? Fine. Then I want that to shut down every Christian hospital, every Christian charity, every Christian soldier to lay down their guns, every good work halted, every dollar of charity spent, a wall of separation for every tax payment to Caesar immediately until you bastards get a real clear understanding you don’t tell us how to think. If any of you think that Gestapo decision by the Supreme Court has just been kicked under the rug, think again.

    I want to see y’all put about 10 million of us in jail for not recognizing your authority – politically correct dumb asses believing gender is a social construct. I want to see you all start to persecute the church so we can demonstrate what real social turmoil looks like. So little thugs like Rutherford Lawson can gain a personal experience removed from his little comfortable life in turmoil when we start pushing back against him personally and making his own life miserable. Give you Mr. Lawson what a taste of harassment feels like, what it feels like to be looking over his own little shoulder.

    Power to Kim Davis. She’s my new hero. And to the Gaystapo and the rest of you rainbow colored jackboots supporting a government that would allow people to be put out of business because they won’t bake a cake for a bunch of queer bullies or be fired from their jobs because they won’t bend to Caligula – well, you assholes can suck my nob. That government was just deemed illegitimate by a whole bunch of us.

    I’d be real careful about how far you want to push that. Because this country is hanging by a thread as it is. You might just be cutting off your nose to spite your face with your demands.

  149. No, Rutherford, Obama created a power vacume in the Middle East

    .Bush created discord,and I was not fine and dandy with his failures. In fact on another blog, I was so worked up that I wrote the war planners ought to be investigated for incompetcnce and fired or jailed..However, Bush learned, and he approved of the Surge which Democrats opposed because they knew more dead American and allied soldiers could help them in the next election. If you haven’t already done so, look up Slow Bleed.

    Bush kept troops in the region to reestablish order. Even Obama acknowledged that Iraq was becoming relatively peaceful and tried to take credit. He declared the war won and sent our troops elsewhere.

    He encouraged the Arab Spring, and ineffectively led from behind. European allies were also complicate. The assault against ISIS has yielded little, and our government may be lying about the results.

    You voted for the people who implemented these policies, and as a voter, you are partly responsible for the thousands of refugees invading Europe–and for victims like the drowned toddler. Evil people hoodwinked you with their lies.

    Hooray for Kim Davis. KFAB Omaha interviewed her lawyer. He said she is honest and has even agreed to issue licenses if her name is not on the document. With other offices available, no one is being denied the chance to marry. She, her lawyers, and their families are facing death threats and other hostility.

    The lawyer didn’t mention them, but we have many sanctuary cities and even churches scattered about. I think they are violating or at least ignoring our laws. If it is all right for them, it is all right for Davis.

  150. Eric Erickson ” That Dead Boy is Obama’s Fault.” ISIS did not exist when Bush left office or during the first few years of Obama’s term.

    Of course, the direct blame lies with ISIS and their allies and with the people who failed to save the boy and other drowning victims, The article repeats what we have written here.

    “The boy is dead because Obama chose to abdicate American leadership in the world.” Imagine what passed through the toddlers’ mind in his last moments. He was too young to understand what was happening.

    Meanwhile, Obama was probably preparing for an Iranian victory dance.

    Many of the ideologically blind leftists still can’t make the connection. They would suffer as Germans who tried to ignore the carnage in their country if they did.

  151. China cutting military by 300,000. May cut into Trump’s China obsession.

    Sputnik reports that during the ceremony, Chinese President Xi Jinping announced they were going to reduce their standing military by 300,000 troops. “Reduce” by 300,000. To put that into perspective, the United Kingdom has a total of 230,000 which includes active military, reserve military and paramilitary forces. Israel has a total of 649,000.

    According to Wiki (which is certainly under-reporting the numbers) the People’s Republic of China has 2,285,000 active military personnel with another 510,000 in active reserves and 4,100,000 in the paramilitary services for a total of 6.9 million military personnel.

    Looks like 300,000 is a drop in the bucket for them.

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/chinas-v-day-military-parade-in-beijing-video/#more-35381

  152. Kim Davis is just another elected Democrat official getting paid to not do her job. She should be treated the same as elected officials who are forced to not enforce immigration laws.

    Stop expecting that setting a bad precedent means anything to Democrats. It doesn’t.

    I heard Rand Paul expand on this and every time the man talks I have a hard time finding glaring flaws in his reasoning.

    But, and this is the part where I get in a little over my head intellectually and am going on the second brain – my gut, I would say that soon in Obama’s America we’re going to be facing religious beliefs interfering with our freedoms all over the place and in a way that as a woman Davis should be very concerned about.

  153. I also took Huck’s remark to be about Pfesser’s anti-Muslim-immigration ravings. I would assume that applies to refugees.

  154. In no particular order:
    Now starting @quarterback for the NE Patriots TOM BRADY
    VA shooting thoroughly debunked but psychos roll on just like the cheater hater speakers.
    China hosts two international war criminals @70rh commie fest and the minor cut of 300k is reported to impact panda bashing??? Two missiles on display at parade have uniquely anti American nicknames. One is called carrier killer,the other is called Guam killer. I think it safe to say China can safely be seen as an issue for some time.
    The “migrant” crisis is bullshit caused by a number of fail policies held by the euro weenies. Leave the dead on the beach for a few weeks,declare n end to the idiotic asylum policy of the EU ,and get a real policy on Syria and North Africa.

  155. Personally I’d like a little better understanding of what you’re talking about at 11:43 Alfie. Want some direct questions or can you possibly clarify the whole thing except for the Tom Brady starting reference?

  156. Damn Tex. Even I can’t suffer through that unbalanced sanctimonious fuck, Glenn Beck. If it isn’t MSNBC or some validation piece, R won’t bother. He gets winded. 😆

    TOM BRADY!!!

  157. Tigre, you’ve got Rutherford and his Idiot Apprentice Lurker blathering about America allowing the criminally insane to own a gun, yet these flacks have no problem helping Obama to allow the criminally insane to obtain nuclear weapon.

    I used to think the Yes We Can crowd was just unhinged. Now, I just call them as too ignorant to understand how hapless they are. 😈

  158. Alfie do you recognize the Islamic State’s plans for a caliphate?

    (Your answer might be obvious but not to me.)

    “ISIL was coming one way or another and the west including the USA owns it. Keep in mind though that ISIL is not the biggest issue in Syria.”

    I’d like to keep that in mind but I really have no idea what it means.

    Sorry Alfie. I only catch about 50% of what you’re getting at on a good day. Today I’m batting below average.

  159. Hey, you Hope & Change Dupes? You listening up, Rainbows? Remember when you bragged about free rent and gas under Benevolent Barack? Put this in Dear Leader Barack’s bag of marvelous accomplishments!

    Courtesy of your New York Slimes: Low-Income Workers See Biggest Drop in Paychecks

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/business/low-income-workers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0

    I think I’ll forward that to Shelly Antoinette and her cloying at those $35,200 fundraisers about how much she and Obama love the poor. Apparently, they do as they’ve created millions more of them. 🙂

    Yes We Can!

  160. If you can believe what you read on the web today, somebody out there is offering to provide all of Hillary’s personal emails for a price. 😈

    Now that would be justice.

  161. “The misunderstanding: I think Huck is making reference to Parker’s eugenics tendencies.”

    “Is he?” -rabbit

    I don’t believe so. Does it even make sense with regard to eugenics? I read it as a response to Pfesser’s previous statements like “Ban all immigration from muslim countries.” I’m not sure how Huck’s shot was cheap though. The little boy on the beach is symbolic of the refugee crisis in the Mediterranean.

    Alfie was your earlier remark in support of the need for safer legal routes for refugees?

  162. Without even reading back, I am going to go ahead and concede that it was a cheap shot. Kids die trying to cross the border into the US but I am still against illegal immigration. And I admit the line between refugees and illegal immigrants is pretty blurry.

    But I’m not going to apologize for what I said–because I’m not sorry. Instead, I will reflect on my conflicting positions, because self-reflection is always a good thing.

  163. “If it is all right for them, it is all right for Davis.”

    But here’s the thing…do you think it’s alright for them?

    If we are going to condemn Obama, and Holder, sanctuary cities, etc for not following the laws of the land then how can we tolerate someone else doing EXACTLY what they are doing?

    Are we a nation of laws or are we a nation of hypocrites? It’s time to decide.

  164. @ Muffy I’ll try to explain
    The news crew shooting has the conspiracy nuts yammering yet again. I believe the hand,gun,plaid shirt,social media time stamps etc. have all been debunked. The nuts won’t stop or believe so I’m not bothering to point by point it;however,its not a hoax or government operation. Just an unfortunate case of criminal behavior.
    Regards China amongst the fanboys were Putin and the prez of Sudan. As for the missiles I don’t have their official names on hand but they are 2 of the 3 newest variable warhead medium range missiles. They dovetail quite well into Chinas naval policy. I don’t think we should either discount or overstate the 5 ship patrol off of Alaska either. On a theater note Russia now has one of their newest SSBN’s on station in the Pacific. That’s like 90+ warheads in a submarine class that rivals the USN.
    Although I feel for the Syrian people and firmly believe western policies have greatly helped to cause the havoc occurring in Syria (and elsewhere) and I totally think EU “migrant” policy is absurd I am not a proponent of alleviating their plight by surrendering sovereignty. I honestly hold the position that Europe needs to turn out ever non European human that is literally invading them. I also think the Euros need to step up in ending the major issues causing the influx.

  165. @ Muffy
    “ISIL was coming one way or another and the west including the USA owns it. Keep in mind though that ISIL is not the biggest issue in Syria.”
    I understand that the legion of Islamic jihadist organizations is mind numbing in its diversity including intent and abilities.
    ISIL was in my opinion a logical progression of a battered AQ. The whole Caliphate thing is especially logical from a political,combat and recruiting angle.
    Destabilizing any country is a bad thing,destabilizing a predominantly Muslim one? REAL BAD IDEA!

  166. “But here’s the thing…do you think it’s alright for them?

    If we are going to condemn Obama, and Holder, sanctuary cities, etc for not following the laws of the land then how can we tolerate someone else doing EXACTLY what they are doing?

    Are we a nation of laws or are we a nation of hypocrites? It’s time to decide.”

    It doesn’t matter what we decide. The decision has been made for us.

  167. And even though I think you’ve guessed by now…
    Alfie was your earlier remark in support of the need for safer legal routes for refugees?
    No. Europe really can’t handle the influx. I think the world,and sadly this means the UN, needs to address this from the “sending” countries angle and not the “receivers”.

  168. It doesn’t matter what we decide. The decision has been made for us.

    So we don’t get accused of being brother and sister anymore, not for me it hasn’t.

    I find the analogy of sanctuary city and the issue of SSM specious at best. Sanctuary cities are thumbing the nose at the legitimacy of a sovereign nation. SSM is a matter of conscience and a moral issue that wholly infringes on religious liberty.

    The federal government and the power of the state will never under any circumstances become my moral conscience. Following agreed to law is one thing – following a dictate is quite another. This is not over by a long shot.

    Frankly, when a government can trample the 1st Amendment, it no longer legitimate – it is Caesar and it plays by the power of the state and not the people, and it is antithetical to the very Preamble of The Constitution itself. And I hope millions of us will decide to see America burn before we give in.

    Frankly, that is exactly what this country deserves anymore.

    And it may very well happen.

  169. “So we don’t get accused of being brother and sister anymore, not for me it hasn’t…”

    Rutherford just says that out of jealousy – he has admitted that.

    I’m conflicted, that’s very true. And you’re not. You also make a great case for not giving up. It’s hard not to agree. Before I read your comment I would have said that what I see is civil disobedience in the name of secular humanism getting respect (illegal immigration) where civil disobedience in the name of another religion is outrageous. And ALL of it – the disobedience itself, the media frenzy to destroy this Davis woman, the “debate-by-force” – is being manipulated by Democrats. And it’s not like any of this wasn’t predicted.

    So of what consequence is what we decide for ourselves, outside of our own families? The force has been applied already. We ARE a nation of hypocrites and of force and there is no resolution for how one goes about obeying laws one finds personally offensive unless the government agrees and is similarly offended.

    It’s probably only a matter of time before doctors going to be forced to perform abortions. Surely that has crossed your mind. What will your daughters be able to do but quit?

    Another question troubles me greatly, for which I have no answer. Maybe you do.

    How do we go about managing our expectations for a secular nation to abide by God’s laws?

  170. Tex: “…blathering about America allowing the criminally insane to own a gun, yet these flacks have no problem helping Obama to allow the criminally insane to obtain nuclear weapon.”

    Well said. Hear! Hear!

  171. Your entire philosophy is worthy of a chain letter, asshole.

    Touchy, touchy. I was giving you a compliment of sorts.

    I think I heard on a Sam Seder podcast that Glenn’s best days are behind him. You might want to find a new spokesperson.

  172. R – re: hind lick maneuver. That’s the one that got Vanessa Williams disbarred as Miss America, you know.

    Here’s one for you: A Frenchman, an Italian, and an American redneck toss back a few beeros and begin to have a bit of locker-room talk about the ladies:

    The Frenchie says, “When I want to get ma cherie hot, I kiss her all over, I lick her pussy, and I give her a long rubdown with baby oil.”

    The Italian says, “When I want to get my wooman hot, I take her to the most expensive restaurant in town, I give her a ten-course dinner, I take her home and bathe her lovingly, put out candles all over the bedroon, and does that ever make her hot!”

    The American redneck ponders a minute and says, “When I want to get ol’ Josie hot, I just grab her by the tits, throw her on the floor, fuck hell out of her.

    And then I wipe my dick on her new curtains. Man, does THAT ever make her hot!

  173. Muffy, my whole deal is that this woman is a public servant. The moment she steps behind that county clerk’s desk she gives up the rights of a private citizen and is bound—by an oath I would assume—and probably sworn on a Bible—to follow and enforce the law of the land.

    I have stated many times here before that private citizens should be free to deny services to anyone they want for any reason they want, and that anyone else is free to set up shop right next door to them and provide those same services to anyone they want. That’s capitalism.

    But it isn’t government. I have also been consistent in that I expect government officials to adhere to and enforce the law. We have several here that make a big bunch of noise about the selectivity of law enforcement in this country—and the support by some of those same people for this woman shows that is exactly what it is—a bunch of noise.

    If Obama cited scripture to defend his non-enforcement of immigration law, would it suddenly be acceptable and would he be cheered on for free expression of religion?

  174. If it isn’t MSNBC or some validation piece, R won’t bother.

    I do often get winded but I sat through all 8 minutes of Glenn’s Detroit Hiroshima comparison.

    No denying, Detroit, like much of our country has let itself go. We’re not good at getting stuff done anymore. A new health club is being built down the road from me. Supposed to take a year. Ridiculous. It doesn’t take a full year to build a health club. We are an embarrassment.

  175. Compliment? Damn glad you weren’t looking to insult. 😆 Though I don’t listen to Beck anymore as I find him a tad unhinged, I also think most of his conclusions are spot on – especially about Obama and Soros.

    I heard Beck is making more money than ever off his own stuff, but I don’t know that for a fact. I chose that as Beck made a very legitimate point about Proggie politic.

  176. “Sanctuary cities are thumbing the nose at the legitimacy of a sovereign nation. SSM is a matter of conscience and a moral issue that wholly infringes on religious liberty.”

    “If Obama cited scripture to defend his non-enforcement of immigration law, would it suddenly be acceptable and would he be cheered on for free expression of religion?”

    Or do you think that state sovereignty trumps religious expression?

  177. EXCLUSIVE: HILLARY’S EMAIL SERVER HAD A WEBMAIL PORTAL THAT ALLOWED UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO HACKERS

    How many still want to place bets she is the nominee? I say it’s not a matter of if she leaves the race, it’s a matter of when.

    And I’m pulling this idea fresh out of my ass but here’s the exit strategy:

    1) Clinton announces “there are too many partisan distractions for me to be an effective candidate. After extensive discussions with Joe Biden, he has agreed to take my candidacy and run with it. Joe.

    2) Biden: Thank you Hillary. Yes I am announcing my candidacy for President of the United States and I am committing to all of you today that if nominated I will select Elizabeth Warren as my running mate.

    THE CROWD FUCKING ROARS!!!!

  178. Ace of Spades called her a “conscience objector” and posted this:

    “In this case, the court could have ordered one of her non-objecting deputies to sign the license.”

    I would agree with that as a suitable compromise.

  179. Often Alfie leads me to think he’s reasoned – then he further explains himself. 🙂 At that point I find myself at odds with him. Suffice it to say we probably don’t agree on much. Obviously what disagree on what is real and what is fake and what is true. I can’t help but go back to our conversation about his ‘buddy’ Richard Serino, now a part of FEMA. Serino planned the Boston marathon bombing drill years in advance (2008, I believe) and he was right there on the scene directing the responders when it happened. NOT a coincidence, and since I don’t believe in such.

    Am I the only one who doesn’t trust anything the government says?

  180. Included in the definition of sovereignty is “a self governing state”, and listed synonyms are “jurisdiction”.

    The Supreme Court, which is a sovereign body in this country, has ruled on gay marriage and has ruled on this county clerk’s (in)action. It has the jurisdiction to do so, as per the Constitution of the United States–and that wasn’t even an amended afterthought.

    So thumbing your nose at the legitimacy of the Supreme Court is “thumbing the nose at the legitimacy of a sovereign nation”

    Of course others will see that differently, and I respect that. But I think they are wrong in this instance 🙂

  181. If Obama cited scripture to defend his non-enforcement of immigration law, would it suddenly be acceptable and would he be cheered on for free expression of religion?

    Couldn’t happen. Obamas a Muslim. 😂😂😂

  182. The moment she steps behind that county clerk’s desk she gives up the rights of a private citizen and is bound—by an oath I would assume—and probably sworn on a Bible—to follow and enforce the law of the land.

    I agree, if you work for the government, you do the government’s bidding. No question. Otherwise get a job in the private sector.

    The other part I have always found totally ridiculous and proves our collective ignorance. The very Bible itself tells us NOT to take an oath. The act of swearing on the Bible is against the very words that are contained within. 😆

  183. Well Pools, in your defense, I am disappointed that no one answered my request for commentary on that video comparison of gun behavior. Alfie’s blanket dismissal does no good for a firearms ignoramus like me. I’d like to understand why the two gloks behaved differently.

  184. The problem, Rutherford, as I see it, is that once you go there, you can’t come back. It scares the shit out of most folks. We are creatures of comfort. Unfortunately that will be our demise.

  185. If Obama cited scripture to defend his non-enforcement of immigration law, would it suddenly be acceptable and would he be cheered on for free expression of religion?

    What part of We The People did I miss in the Preamble? 30 states plus said ‘No’, including your own home state, Huck. To force by legal fiat against the will of the majority of the people is not a wise move if you ask me.

    I think we’ve reached a crossroads as a country. The time for the end is at hand. I don’t say that in jest or as threat. It’s simply fact. The differences now between guys like you and me are irreconcilable – and as I have said here before much to Rutherford’s wailing and gnashing of teeth, the difference is centered around faith – something I consider far more important than birthright. You and I share no real common bonds anymore. Personally, I think it would be possible to simply revert to 50 separate governments with a lenient business agreement and some alliance like NATO.

    Does a government worker suddenly lose his or her right to conscience when he or she goes to work for the government? There is a precedent in allowing a measure of leeway. American Friends Service Committee (AFSC) as one example.

    You going to have any problem when a Muslim cleric is forced to marry two gay men in the mosque if the rainbows dare? How about the Klan demanding a black small business owner bake him a cake with a cross, or forcing the Muslim grocery stores to carry pork? Seem ridiculous? So did the idea of the euphemistically called ‘gay marriage’ a decade ago.

    I don’t say all of this to be difficult, but perhaps it is time for all Christians to quit government work, including the military. However, since we can’t work for the government which itself would be a form of discrimination, perhaps it is time for all American Christians, Muslims and Orthodox Jews to simply revoke their U.S. citizenship and decide they don’t need to pay federal taxes either, register for the draft, or finance public schools.

    That would leave you secularists the dilemma of what to do with millions of us, including the vast majority of the American military. Hungary seems to be having a heck of time figuring out what to do with that problem as we speak. And though the strength of American Christianity is waned considerably the last two generations, I know there are by a magnitude of 50, more of us in America than there are dissidents wandering into Europe – more so, we are pretty entrenched in the community and would be pretty hard to move.

    Yes, I am to that point. Frankly, the concept of freedom and religious liberty left the dock along time ago and as each day passes, the less I really care about America and the more I care about those of my faith in all countries. If that’s treason in a secularist’s book, so be it.

    To answer your question, if Obama can use scripture to justify his beliefs as he has claimed to be a Christian (cough cough) and thumb his nose at secure borders, I’m all ears. Because every Abrahamic faith certainly will be able to do so with legitimizing marriage between two men.

  186. Tex you’ve really lost me on this county clerk thing. What do we say to a fireman who says “I want to be a fireman but fire scares me so I won’t fight fires”? We say ehhhh maybe you should get a new line of work?

    Her job is to issue marriage certificates to all those legally able to get one. PERIOD. Rabbits question is interesting. If she wasn’t actually elected (I don’t know) then why hasn’t she been fired by now?

  187. I can give you a simple example from my own life. Not for long, but for the time being I work for a company whose policies don’t meet either my quality or ethical standards. I can either work within the system to change it or quit. It’s that simple. If I selectively do what I want, they have valid grounds to fire me.

    Ms. Davis is no different. The ground rules of her job have changed. She can either work within the system to change it or she should quit.

    I actually don’t object to the compromise of having one of her sinner peers issue the sacrilegious certificates while she keeps her job and her cozy relationship with Jesus.

    Sorry about that last part … she pisses me off.

  188. The law of the land. You’re right. Sure you want to go there? So was the immorality of slavery once.

    Though you are correct in it is the law of the land, the only way your analogy works, “R”, is if the woman refused to issue marriage licenses in total.

    I don’t believe the woman is working in fear, by the way. She knew full well that the wrath of the Gaystapo and the corrupted courts would follow. She is quite brave as a matter of fact. I just wish there were 10M more like her.

    Y’all who don’t care for Christians have opened open a real can of worms and you just don’t know it yet. Give you a very small example, though the accompanying video is pure LGBT propaganda courtesy of the failing T-World.

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/religion/tulsa-catholic-diocese-drops-out-of-occj-over-pride-parade/article_7d1e4aac-69db-5d4c-8805-09918677803b.html

  189. Sorry about that last part … she pisses me off.

    Believe me. The feeling is mutual. As I told Huck, time to sever the ties as I hold zero loyalty to your ilk. I leave you to the good hands of ISIS Obama.

  190. I actually don’t object to the compromise of having one of her sinner peers issue the sacrilegious certificates while she keeps her job and her cozy relationship with Jesus.

    And why should you object, as long as the state gets its revenue and the certificate gets issued? This should not have even made news EXCEPT that is causes a split and keeps us fighting among ourselves. That is really what the snews is all about. It is an arm of government. Besides, we are ALL sinners. Sin is an archery term meaning ‘miss the mark’.

    There are jobs that real believers would NEVER choose as career. It is vastly different from being in a career and then becoming a new believer. In that case we should remain, UNLESS it’s a problem of conscience. The best example of the latter is Saul/Paul. His new found enlightenment found him at total odds with past life. It was hard for the believers to accept, too. 🙂

  191. ““If Obama cited scripture to defend his non-enforcement of immigration law, would it suddenly be acceptable and would he be cheered on for free expression of religion?”

    What does Obama cite to defend his contempt for immigration laws?

    And does he not take the same oath as Davis?

    As for Davis, my advice to her would be to stop voting for Democrats.

  192. Muffy,

    Now, now. Rutherford’s heroes, our betters, don’t have to follow the law. Come on.

    The Kentucky Clerk and her Christianity…. Different story.

    Rutherford’s mad. Over a woman who didn’t want her name attached to a gay marriage. In the shadow of so much lawlessness, suddenly he’s a stickler.

    Lol

    Fuck it.

    The country is absolutely swamped with unenforced Federal Law. Maybe it’s time to join Rutherford’s new found love for Federal Law and start making citizens arrests?

    Weed. Illeagal aliens. Fetus sales. Secret emails from the top of our State Department all the way through a Nazi IRS.

    I stand with Rutherford.

    Let’s break some eggs!

  193. I graduated HS in 1960 in Fla. I went to a lunch counter sit in. I wasn’t there to support them. I was on a public bus when a woman decided she was not going to stand if there was a seat to sit in. She sat down in front of the white line. I watched all hell break loose after that. These people were fighting for their rights as human beings in the USA. From what I can see there has not been much change since then. The blacks are still fighting some of the same battles 47 years later.

    I can understand the black’s frustration and anger. If you can not see that blacks have been unfairly targeted in a number of ways then you must be in denial. You can ignore people’s concerns and needs for just so long before they will take a stand. It may not be organized and it may not end well for either side, but it will happen.

    While I understand BLM’s anger and frustrations it does not mean I agree with the behavior or the way they chose fight.

    BLM is responsible for one change. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ferguson-new-judge-is-finally-doing-something-about-abusive-court_55db88a3e4b08cd3359cfa86?kvcommref=mostpopular It is a start.

    What created a Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin? And no don’t give me “no black fathers at home” bull. That may be a part of the problem. But to give that as the reason as a number of you have said is just a way to absolve your selves of any responsibility or to look for solutions. And yes the black community must take control of their youth.

    What created George Zimmerman, George Bush, Cliven Bundy or Kim Davis? All examples of outstanding citizens of this country as well.

    What created a tex taylor? A nasty, hate filled, angry absolutely reprehensible turd – a weak minded and failed man with delusions of some importance.

  194. R – Michael Brown was not a felon.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/us/michael-brown-never-faced-serious-felony-charge-st-louis-officials-lawyer-says.html?_r=0

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/brown.asp

    “JAL I appreciate your empathy. I really do. But you’re not engaged in practical root cause analysis. It’s really not that hard to be law abiding. With the exception of traffic violations, I’ve been doing it all my life.”

    You may be black but I doubt you lived the life many urban blacks live. They join gangs for protection and for a feeling of belonging/family. Acting tough is self defense. They get in trouble; some times with trumped up charges. Now they can not join the service or get a good job. They are screwed before they even start. You wonder why they/families are angry and frustrated? As I said the blacks need to take control of their youth, but that will not solve the whole problem.

    I read an article describing the policing mistakes Darren Wilson made that placed both Brown and Wilson in a dangerous situation. Wilson was poorly trained and vetted. He may have a bully, a racist or just dumb; he should not have been a cop.

    I have heard it said here that you should obey a cop..do what he tells you. Really? Yes we should obey however just who is a cop? He was hired to serve and protect”. A badge is not a license to kill, nor is it an exemption.

    The sheriff’s department around here has these little black SUVs and the light rack looks like a ski rack making them hard to see. What is their reason to become “invisible” . Shouldn’t they be obvious? Are we becoming a police state?

    Too many times cops come out of their cars and start screaming orders. It takes a bit of time to comprehend what a person is screaming at you especially if you have no idea what you have done wrong. If you don’t react immediately he yells louder and shouts more orders faster……then he shoots you for not obeying/resisting. Too many of these cops are out of control. They are afraid. Because of that fear they can be dangerous.

    I don’t understand why people is so comfortable with their behavior.

  195. Weed. Illeagal aliens. Fetus sales. Secret emails from the top of our State Department all the way through a Nazi IRS.

    Well you’ll be glad to know if Christie becomes POTUS he’s gonna say to hell with Colorado and bust the pot dealers and smokers.

  196. JAL, you’re gonna get slaughtered by some others here so I’m only going to deal with one aspect of your comment.

    Michael Brown was videotaped robbing a store right before his meetup with Wilson. What is striking about the video is that as Brown is leaving, he stops, turns back and makes a menacing approach toward the shopkeeper, then stops and leaves. This is the body language of a mean spirited bully. I can’t even categorize him as a prankster just “doing what kids do”. He was a special kind of nasty and I have zero doubt he provoked his own shooting.

    Hands up don’t shoot was a lie. The fact that blacks refuse to control their own neighborhoods proves that BLM is a lie.

    Unlike the others here, “sheltered” though I may be, I understand black rage. I perceive the arrogance of many whites who want to rewrite history. But unlike many Jews who fight adversity and bigotry from a position of strength and a record of success, many blacks fight with neither foot on solid ground.

  197. DR your comment is a non-sequitur vis-a-vis theocracy. But if you’re saying the executive should enforce the laws, you get no argument from me. I think I understand the rationale behind sanctuary cities but that doesn’t make it right.

  198. What created a tex taylor? A nasty, hate filled, angry absolutely reprehensible turd – a weak minded and failed man with delusions of some importance.

    LOL. One moment your working on the Apollo Space Missions, the next moment you’re Densico on steroids.

    What’s wrong, nasty gash? Don’t like it when I call you a liar, a bigot, and a loser? You can kiss my ass, Densi. You’ll never amount to shit and the quicker you’re gone, the better the world will be.

    As to responsibility to the black community, I have none. Zero. Zilch. Time for an affirmative action propagandist like you to start carrying your own weight.

  199. Homegirl was put right in the slammer. Yesssss. This ain’t a fucking theocracy.

    What a scumbag. I wonder why I stay around this shit hole. I hope it’s to write your epitaph as my last comment, bigot . It ain’t going to be flattering like Jim Duggan’s was. You can guarantee count on it will be a real doozy.

    If there’s justice, ISIS will throw you and couch potato off the roof so I can watch and applaud the real theocracy.

  200. Rutherford I can give you loads of video from sources not connected to Virginia,the US government and above all….conspiracy hoaxers.
    Muzzle flash is highly dependent on lighting. I can give you video for that.
    Casings can be seen often but not all the time. Cyclic rate,lighting and angles dictate visibility.
    Vesters one muzzle flash and no real ability to expect to see casing secondary camera movement so I find the comparison invalid.
    As for the girl not going down instantly….I would invite you to revisit the Scot shooting in SC. Classic! Scott was shot with a higher caliber weapon. People can take a few 9mm rounds before dropping.
    YOU and only YOU can ask for a video cascade.

  201. “What’s wrong, nasty gash? Don’t like it when I call you a liar, a bigot, and a loser? You can kiss my ass, Densi. You’ll never amount to shit and the quicker you’re gone, the better the world will be.”

    Do you think you are the first little dick with a big mouth that I have run into. I am quite sure you have amounted a far bigger pile of shit then I could ever produce.

  202. Thanks Alfie. I had you pegged once, but apparently it didn’t hold. I made it more permanent this time, assuring it won’t come out. 🙂

  203. Mrs poolman educated me on the situation with home girl. Apparently she has had some moral issues of her own making way before this latest dust up. I certainly wouldn’t call her a good example of a Christian based on what I just learned. Something about 4 marriages, adultery, and cronyism. I guess her loyahhs are all about stoking the flames of theocracy. Why else is this news?

  204. Well you’ll be glad to know if Christie becomes POTUS he’s gonna say to hell with Colorado and bust the pot dealers and smokers.

    Then I am glad he will NEVER get there. I knew there was a reason I didn’t like the guy. I mean, aside from being a politician. He can’t really be from NJ if that is his attitude. I think Colorado has proved smart by what they did, so much so that other states are following suit.

  205. Do you think you are the first little dick with a big mouth that I have run into. I am quite sure you have amounted a far bigger pile of shit then I could ever produce.

    No, I’m sure you’ve plenty of dicks in your big mouth, HO. Whose your pimp? One of those fry ‘um like Bacon types from #BlackLiesMatter?

    Face it, nasty. Who do you think you’re kidding?

    You’re lowest caste – that’s why got to pretend to be somebody you’re not. You’re too stupid to warrant real debate, Prissy. And you’re so schizophrenic, you can’t even keep your life’s story straight from one month to the next.

    Or maybe that’s just stupidity too. Take your fourth rate education in Pan Afro studies and work the street. That’s the closest you’ll ever get to riches.

  206. I certainly wouldn’t call her a good example of a Christian based on what I just learned. Something about 4 marriages, adultery, and cronyism. I guess her loyahhs are all about stoking the flames of theocracy. Why else is this news?

    I thought Christianity was about forgiveness and starting anew? I would remind you one of the greatest of the apostles was a harlot, as was Rahab from the Hall of Faith. 😐

  207. What a scumbag. … etc

    What an incredible non-response.

    There are two factions easily offended by Ms. Davis. The first are those who think she’s a loony for appealing to an imaginary authority in the sky as her justification. The second faction are those who believe her God to be a tolerant loving God who would happily bless this gay couple.

    Either way she comes up, as Trump would say, a loser. And either way, imaginary or real, God hasn’t a goddam thing to do with this. It’s a county facility carrying out the laws of the land, not a church.

    FWIW, Alfie and I had a back and forth in this on Twitter. Scott Walker said in an interview that the constitution provides “freedom of religion, not freedom from religion” — his very words. Of course he is wrong. The constitution dictates government will not force any particular religion or any at all, upon the people.

    There are reasonable limits to religious liberty and Ms. Davis is learning about those limits in a jail cell.

    BTW, a conservative judge put her there.

  208. And Tex, we both know you saved the flattery for Jim until after he was gone. Then you felt bad about having berated him. You’ve said some nice things about me while I was still breathing so I feel ahead of the game.

    Let your epitaph rip dude. If you really want to insult me post-mortem, just ignore my passing. THAT stings.

  209. I was told she converted 4 years ago. Did she have the job at that time? If so, fine. She should have stepped down if she could no longer perform her duties. If the job came later, I guess she was good with compromise as long as that paycheck and bennies kept coming in.

    You are right, Tex, many Christians came from scum. But they realized their inequities and turned from that scum life It often takes the worse sinner to truly appreciate God’s wonderful gift. Repent means change course, turn toward God. I forgive her, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t responsible for her own inaction. She did take an oath of office. If that was conflicting with her faith, she should have not gone there.

    Do you understand forgiveness, Tex? Forgive us our trespasses, AS WE FORGIVE those who trespass against us. All of them. We aren’t supposed to hold ANY grudges, or we don’t receive forgiveness. Simple as that. What was it Jesus said while people were abusing Him? Forgive them Father…

  210. Alfie, your elaboration on the VA shooting was all I was asking for. Thanks. I feel better educated.

    :facepalm: Really Rutherford? You take Alfie’s non answer and no evidence as some sort of proof. ?!?Okay… stay comfy. 😐

  211. Something about 4 marriages, adultery, and cronyism.

    And has the audacity to be holier than thou.

    LOL we are all being played. Some politico got hold of this woman and told her to do this to challenge case law. Same as Scopes was egged on with the evolution lesson so there’d be a court case.

    This case is probably manufactured to create debate. She has zero conviction. She’s a tool.

  212. I think the loyahhs are to blame. Looks like they are conservatives pushing for a theocracy. You think sharia any different? No. No difference. Read the Old Testament. Religious law sucks to live under. Thank Jesus I am free of that bondage.

  213. And Tex, we both know you saved the flattery for Jim until after he was gone. Then you felt bad about having berated him. You’ve said some nice things about me while I was still breathing so I feel ahead of the game.

    I wouldn’t flatter yourself too awfully much. You don’t want to know what I really think of you and yours.

    Would you like to revisit history, tool, and get to eat your poor memory? You’re too inane to remember why I felt badly. You can’t remember what happened yesterday, much less five years ago this October. And my feelings had nothing to do with “berating” Jim, dummy. You can’t even get that right.

    Jim was likable. You’re not.

    There was a time I defended you because you were nice enough to let me use your poorly constructed, useless blog without censorship. As of a few years ago, that’s as far as it goes.

  214. My assertion to Rutherord was twofold . One its up to him if he wants a video embed onslaught or just links. I have no interest in trying to move a pool full of nonsense since it’s an exercise in futility.
    As far as pegging me I’m really uncomfortable with that micro aggressive in a thread that includes Scandinavian rappers and girl on girl porn. Behave yourself nut nut.

  215. I had a funny thought, Rutherford. Tex is a born again believer, he claims. I do really think he did the conversion thing and really does put himself in that camp. And that is where my funny thought comes in.

    I don’t know how everything will be played out, but one thing that would be really hilarious is if at that day of judgment, when the books are opened and all the believers are having our lifelong works tested by fire to see what stands… I would love to see the words typed into the pages of the RL blog go through the fire test to see what burns and what is left. Sometimes I get so anxious, I just can’t wait!

    Are we there yet?

    How long, Father? How long?

  216. Yes, I can tell you are in a comfort zone. I knew from the beginning you were a tool, but it has taken me a little time to determine what your use and whose box you belong in.

  217. Read the Old Testament. Religious law sucks to live under. Thank Jesus I am free of that bondage.

    Actually Israel was compared to a land of milk and honey in the Old Testament. Where do you think the overused cliche was derived? It certainly wasn’t under Rome.

    Amazing how you can divorce Jesus from most of the Bible. Exactly what books do you think the Rabbi taught from, Poolman, and where did He say it sucked again? 🙄 That’s completely contrary to sound scripture.

    Let me tell you who the Rutherford’s of the world are, though they don’t know it. The Sanhedrin. Self-serving, self-righteous fools believing in their own “good works.” And who was it again that Christ referred to as a brood of vipers?

    I don’t think you’ve been freed from anything, Poolman. I think you throw out the name Jesus to sound religious because somewhere you’ve been taught it makes you sound righteous. It’s a crutch and a tool. Your conclusions and conspiracies are an anathema to Christ.

    Anybody that soils the memory of executed children is bound for a millstone around their neck and little else.

  218. Poolman, I operate from a near complete realm of ignorance as to how guns work. Alfie addressed the trajectory of the shells, the light coming from the gun and even something I didn’t ask about – her not falling immediately. Alfie’s explanations are certainly more sensible than a grand conspiracy theory.

    Now that hand does look damn Caucasian. Thats a puzzle.

  219. I wouldn’t flatter yourself too awfully much. …

    I’ll answer that silliness with more logic.

    Neither you nor Huckabee seem to understand that the Supremes did NOT compel any church, temple or mosque to perform SSM. That is the essence of freedom of religion. They did not dictate religious or “natural” law. They dictated secular law. The county offices are secular and must abide by secular law.

    This is the fundamental separation of church and state. You only like separation when it protects religion. You’re not interested when it protects freedom not to believe. That’s the problem.

  220. If Ms. Davis was indeed born again and found the facilitation of matrimony to be her calling, she should have obtained some authority as minister (I think some religions make it fairly easy to become ordained) and gone about marrying folks in a church. Then, her God’s rule prevails and no one can interfere.

    God bless America. That’s what our country is all about, Charlie Brown. 😊

  221. Actually Israel was compared to a land of milk and honey in the Old Testament. Where do you think the overused cliche was derived? It certainly wasn’t under Rome.
    Actually, that described the promised land. The land that a whole generation did not get to experience, including Moses. The Israelites were told to go in and destroy all the peoples living in the land, which they never did. Israel was constantly disobeying God and turning to Baal. Israel was at odds with Judah for most of the whole Torah. They never kept to the ways of the Lord for long. And they ended up forfeiting that land of milk and honey.
    Amazing how you can divorce Jesus from most of the Bible.
    I don’t know where that came from. He was there in the beginning and all throughout. But He is the Word made flesh. The Bible only contains those things man wrote down, and very little of the OT is the living Word. Now if you want to talk about the prophets, different story.

    Exactly what books do you think the Rabbi taught from, Poolman, and where did He say it sucked again? 🙄 That’s completely contrary to sound scripture.

    The ‘Rabbi’ taught from the scrolls that were housed in the temple. He was commended on His knowledge that they could not attribute to mere reading. The scrolls were more than what we have now, except, of course that which came later in the NT. He also cursed the traditions that were considered sacred. The law brings death and knowledge of sin. Familiarize yourself with Romans chapter 7 about the ‘suck’ part. It’s all there.
    Let me tell you who the Rutherford’s of the world are, though they don’t know it. The Sanhedrin. Self-serving, self-righteous fools believing in their own “good works.”
    Not really. I see the organized church in that role. Those that keep their congregants in bondage and suck the life and wealth from them. Look at Rome. There’s a lot of evil lurking in those cathedrals.
    And who was it again that Christ referred to as a brood of vipers?
    The Jewish leaders. The synagogue of satan. The religious leaders. Not the Romans. Not the unchurched masses.
    I don’t think you’ve been freed from anything, Poolman. I think you throw out the name Jesus to sound religious because somewhere you’ve been taught it makes you sound righteous. It’s a crutch and a tool. Your conclusions and conspiracies are an anathema to Christ.
    I am much freer than you. 😆 I am redeemed, brother. Saved by the blood of the Lamb. Bought and paid in full. Not only that, I do good works. That satisfies James’ definition. Really though, I don’t need validation from any human. My relationship is with the author of life! It isn’t a crutch, it’s a yoke. You ought to try it. Easy. Light. My conclusions are based on first much prayer and a willingness to let go of all that binds me. It’s you that cannot see truth because of your red, white, and blue blinders.
    Anybody that soils the memory of executed children is bound for a millstone around their neck and little else.
    Nobody died at sandy hook. Prove they did. No one can. But the media said it, and and and. 🙄 They surely would not have done such a thing to move an agenda or for the money – over 35 million in donations.

  222. Now that hand does look damn Caucasian. Thats a puzzle.

    We’re going to piece this puzzle Rutherford, I can sense it. 😉 I know you respect Alfie because of your long blog relationship, blah, blah, blah. But he offered no proof. Even if the gal didn’t fall and die and no blood was on the scene. Even after the cameraman lay there on a wood deck for how many hours? There was also NO sign of impact from a bullet. Let’s say Alfie is right [pffftttt] and the woman WAS shot, but still turned and ran with bullets in her. Remember these were supposedly hollow points, the ones that tear the insides apart. There would be a visible impact to her body in the video. There isn’t.

    And the flame part is total bullshit. I have since watched numerous videos of glocks readily available on the web being fired at plenty with all kinds of backgrounds. No flame with real bullets.

    So to recap:

    You are suspicious of Andy, the dad.
    You now believe the hand was white, like I and some others do.

    Here’s an article with an interesting video embedded that paints a somewhat different picture of our man Vester. Interesting twist and adds to the things that make you go hmmmm…

    http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/08/29/was-vester-lee-flanagan-framed/

  223. Thanks, Rutherford. It was Tex’s post entirely, so he will recognize his words from mine. I wonder why they were there right after I posted then gone the next. Oh well. Stuff like that happens all the time…

    Since I did return I will leave you with one more blatant discrepancy to ponder:

  224. I’m more likely to believe the posted video was somehow faked vs that the shooting never happened.

    I imagine it’s hard enough to shoot someone much less do it while holding a cell phone in your other hand capturing the whole thing.

    It’s also hard to believe all three participants in the interview were soooo absorbed that they didn’t notice the only black guy near them was holding a phone AND a gun.

    So to summarize, I do believe the shooting happened. I could however be convinced that the assassin’s eye view video was faked and even the possibility that Flanagan was framed.

  225. More of a meta question: what is it about certain stories that they attract conspiracy theorists while other stories don’t. Maybe I missed it but I haven’t seen false flag stories about Dylannnnn Root.

  226. Sovereignty of natural law over man-made authority is the founding principle of the theory of our constitutional republic, Peter Pan. The forefathers, all white mind you as blather about four generations removed from being baffled how to pick bananas out of tall trees, chose to separate from the British monarchy because they believed they were entitled by the Laws of Nature and of Natures God, and not subservient to the alleged divine right of kings, nor to an imperious Parliament, nor where they subservient to your pygmy relatives and head shrinkers, nor to Lurker’s daddy, Idi Amin.

    Idi’s physically grotesque daughter misunderstood that sucking on the bone isn’t real cannibalism.

  227. “But if you’re saying the executive should enforce the laws, you get no argument from me”

    Ain’t that the truth, you hypocritical coward. We get no argument from you at all.

  228. Muzzle flash doesn’t exist Rutherford,makes it kind of silly that there is a market for flash suppressors and compensators but wtf do i know.
    Other than common sense,science and having actually fired guns both with military grade blanks and live ammo. Rounds I’ve fired include…. 9mm,10mm .40,.45 5.56,7.62 ,5o cal and once 105mm. The last one was firing the main gun on a M60 tank.

  229. Secular v natural don’t mean nothing. Philosophical theories are good unless reality mutes them. Until the favored classes obey the law the rest of us can behave likewise. Once
    more of us figure that out we have trouble. Natural law is instinctive, I think.

    Yesterday, I read two columns speculating on the possibility of civil war if Hillary is elected, or if she is defeated. And what if the White House is connected?

  230. re: muzzle flash doesn’t exist. Nonsense.

    It all has to do with whether the propellant has complete decomposed within the gun barrel and the gases have time to cool. If the gases are still hot enough to glow or part of the unburned powder is ejected from the barrel and burns there, then you have muzzle flash. Most of what you see as muzzle flash is wasted powder.

    Powder for pistols is designed to burn very quickly so that it does its work within a few cm, the length of a pistol barrel. Rifle powder has more time to burn in a long barrel and is a different compounding. If you want some excitement, hand load some pistol powder into a high-powered rifle cartridge. You’d better fire the gun with a long string on the trigger, though.

  231. It’s no coincidence that Rutherford is the only one here who indulges in Poolman’s insanity. We all know why. The guy is stunted.

    By the way (and I’m just as guilty as everybody else) every time we address this vile stupidity we lend these fucks some legitimacy.

    Ignore Rutherford. Ignore Poolman.

    Oh but my mind isn’t open…..yeah…entertaining impossible fantasies in which staged actors put on shows that require hundreds if not thousands of conspirators is ridiculous… The fact that leave “clues” that are akin to a 7th grade reading level mystery novel…..its behind the pale.

    Again. No coincidence Television Lawson dabbles.

    Some shit doesnt deserve a forum.

  232. I had a friend who gave me these novelty 410 shot shells called “dragon’s breath”. Basically a flame thrower with sparks.

    Well…me being a complete dumb ass…they got mixed in with my other 410 rounds for my Smith and Wesson Governor.

    I fired one by accident at an indoor range.

    I thought my gun blew up.

    Scared the shit out of everybody.

    I packed my stuff up and waited for the proprietor of the place to kick me out and ban me for life.

    I couldn’t believe he didn’t.

  233. DR, if R had bothered to google he could find dozens of videos of Glock muzzle flash. There’s a few in the link posted. Googgle time? 10 seconds.

    Don’t blanks still come in a shell that would be ejected?

    Whoops. The big fakey confused hit guys and black guys. If it weren’t for those meddling truthers.

    So fucking stupid.

  234. I agree. Some things aren’t worth debating or worrying about when they are false. I also wonder about Thor. Pacific Northwest smoke is still making our air hazy and giving us pretty sun sets.

  235. Alfie, in the words of Cartman, I do not doubt your “authoritah” in the area of guns which is why I asked you to jump in to begin with.

    Broader question for you. Do you think there’s any way the gun’s eye view vid was faked? I’m not saying she wasn’t shot. I’m limiting my commentary to that video.

  236. I read two columns speculating on the possibility of civil war if Hillary is elected, or if she is defeated.

    That doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room does it?

    Philosophical theories are good unless reality mutes them.

    I like that comment.

  237. Blanks in non revolver weapons are designed to eject just like the real thing. Depending on the “round” you can have a full powder load as well so you get all the effects. My personal experience with blanks are on a 9mm and the 5.56mm of the M16. I found the blanks could tend to jam more. One embarrassing episode was during a funeral detail. We each only needed to get three rounds off but by the end a number of our rifles had jammed. Soldier got probably more like a 17 round salute.

  238. Rutherford I find the world of real time digital media to be worrisome regards authenticity. Still if you break down the parts I think you get that Flanagans view footage is more than plausible.
    Civilian reporters are not know for situational awareness. They are known for being professional enough to ignore passerbys,hecklers and farting interviewees.
    Two hands two different objects and an overall mental state of a non professional gunman.
    If Barack Obama had a son he may very well look like Trayvon,but it is highly unlikely that he and Michelle could make Vester/Bryce. Bathe your hand in various lighting including your cellphone flash and tell me what you see.
    Bottom line I don’t think it a faked. I don’t know if I can judge editing prior to its upload and God knows what has been done to the various versions you can view today.

  239. I fired alot of blanks out of an M16 and, showih my age, the perpetually jammed/too hot M60.

    We even were given M14s!

    It took me two years to be smart and never fire my weapon during the massive drills in Iceland so I don’t have to clean it under the direction of an asshole Marine who hates Sailors.

    Gained alot of respect for USMC though.

    One week in the field feels like 2 months.

  240. But, but. . . But, the video says the imperceptible casing ejection is proof of blanks.

    And how could she not burst with blood when hit??? Miss at that range???

    Duh, yep.

    I suspect Alfie and DR have had their up close and personals, but I can tell you first hand how easy it is even for trained shooters to kis. At very close range. Multiple times. Particularly when moving.

    Why am I engaging this stupidity? Fuck. Should’ve listened to DR.

  241. And why the fuck is Rutherford lending credence to the easily disproved? He has questions, puts it out here, acts like disinterest must mean there’s something to it — all without even trying to look into it himself. Not even a quick Googling out of damn curiosity. WTF?

  242. “And why the fuck is Rutherford lending credence to the easily disproved?”

    Because Send In The Clowns…

    There ought to be clowns….

    Don’t bother, they’re here.

  243. Thanks, Rutherford. I don’t think we are there yet.

    M 14s had a nasty kick compared to M 16s. My best memory of the field was eating the best meat balls and spagetti of my life at a field kitchen. I and no one I know has been able to duplicate it.

  244. A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

    The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.”

    She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.”

    “I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”

    “Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”

    The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Democrat.”

    “I am,” replied the balloonist. “But how did you know?”

    “Well,” said the man, “You don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You’ve made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and now you expect ME to solve your problem. You’re in EXACTLY the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now, it’s MY fault.”

  245. “And why the fuck is Rutherford lending credence to the easily disproved? ”

    Becuase he is mental masturbating to the thought that the gay, black lib who killed people over his gay, black lib issues isn’t a gay, black, lib.

    Fantasies about it being a conspiracy is mildly pleasurable for him. There is a motive.

  246. Lol. True. He sure wasn’t fantasizing when it came to Charleston.

    I really can’t believe how “uncurious” and lazy he is. It can’t be a shortage of time. Maybe he could skip a portion of his daily second viewing of Morning Joe or something.

  247. I have a question. Is the Benghazi discussion sooooo sensitive that it has to be behind closed doors? HRC’s advisors testifying today in private. I believe her October testimony will be closed door.

    I don’t like it. I wanna see what is going on.

  248. It’s no coincidence that Rutherford is the only one here who indulges in Poolman’s insanity. We all know why. The guy is stunted.

    No, it’s because I’m not a closed minded asshole.

    I dismiss 99% of Pool’s crazy talk and you know that full well. But when the guy posts side by side videos that raise questions (like why does the hand appear Caucasian when shooter is not or why do the guns in the side by side behave so differently) it ain’t a sin to ask for answers. Alfie answered and I accepted his answer. I see that Tigre posted answers too and I will read those.

    Rabbit there is a WORLD of difference between saying the shooting never happened (I did NOT SAY THAT) and wondering if the Facebook video is a fake.

    So next time you think about being an asshole, characterize what I said accurately and represent my history on this blog accurately.

  249. Bathe your hand in various lighting including your cellphone flash and tell me what you see.

    Well in my defense that WAS my first reaction to the skin color discrepancy. I felt it was a matter of lighting. If folks like Rabbit bothered to read the thread they’d see that was my initial reaction.

    The sleeve color does appear different from the photo from the fallen cameraman.

    I’m just saying for once I CAN see how Pools gloms on to some of this stuff. If you’re conspiracy prone, there’s loads of stuff out there to feed your neurosis.

  250. I suspect Alfie and DR have had their up close and personals,

    I said up front I didn’t know shit about guns and wanted info from folks who did.

    At least Alfie respectfully answered the question. The rest of you have been royal pricks.

    Kiss my ass.

  251. “The sleeve color does appear different from the photo from the fallen cameraman.”

    Like OMG! Like so creepy! …so..like crazy. The Illuminati forgot to have their actor wear the same shirt. So creepy, girlfriend!

  252. Let me ask you a simple question. Why would it shatter your world to find out that the news woman was killed by Flanagan but the gun-view video was faked? Why does even asking the question turn you into an asshole? This isn’t the same as saying 20 kids were not killed in Newtown. What is your huge problem?

  253. The gun-view video was posted on a Facebook page that was documented as being owned by Flanagan. And I personally saw it, and the page was taken down as I was looking at it, so it’s not third-hand.

    How would somebody else hack into his Facebook page, and more importantly – why? And where did they get the side-view shot of this reporter, the lady she was interviewing – all documented as being the right people, and a separate view of the cameraman AT THE VENUE WHERE THEY SAID THEY WERE? I know a lot about computer technology, and I wouldn’t know where to begin to do that.

    What is it with this crazy conspiracy stuff? Why can’t it just be like they say it is, since 99.99999+ percent probability is that it is exactly as reported.

    Why do you and Pools follow this craziness, anyway?

  254. I apologize, R – I thought you were buying into the craziness; it appears that you are just admitting some of Pool’s points.

    Thin though they are. LOL

  255. “This isn’t the same as saying 20 kids were not killed in Newtown. What is your huge problem?”

    Do you know how many real questions about the actions of this administration you did NOT ask?

    And here you are, the great Gadfly. Entertaining the piece of shit that is Poolman.

    You aren’t inquisitive… Nor is your mind open.

  256. You wrote that it was silly to assume the dead and fleeing people in the Middle East are to a degree Obama’s fault. I cited two articles defending blaming the complicity of Obama. Here is another.

    Michele Gerson of the Washington Post ” The Horrific Results of Obama’s failure in Syria”

  257. “You wrote that it was silly to assume the dead and fleeing people in the Middle East are to a degree Obama’s fault.”

    James. Didn’t you get the memo?

    These things are off limits.

    There will be no questions about the consequences of Obama’s foriegn policy, even in countries where he removed the regime.

    There will be no questions about Obamas track record when it comes to the poor and minorities in terms of employment.

    There will also be no questions about the middle class during the last eight years.

    There will be no questions on Obama’s influence on race relations in this country.

    There will be no questions on anything.

  258. Now that I’ve gotten calling everyone an asshole out of my system:

    Tigre, yes it was lazy of me to ask for opinions instead of doing my own research. Big deal.

    The article Tigre posted was so thorough that I wanted to vomit about the entire “conspiracy” by the time I was finished with it. It was excellent and dealt with every angle posed by the skeptics.

    Poolman, you really should read the article posted by Tigre. It does blow the entire thing out of the water.

  259. “Tigre, yes it was lazy of me to ask for opinions instead of doing my own research. Big deal.”

    You weren’t truely asking questions, liar. You were getting off on spreading ignorance. Your questions were passive aggressive statements. Again. The motive was there.

  260. James. Didn’t you get the memo?

    He didn’t get the memo because it doesn’t exist. I’ve never objected to questions. I object to the simple-minded conclusion that a complex unraveling of the world all lies at Obama’s feet.

    I’ve acknowledged:
    1) Obama pulled “the red line” out of his ass at a press conference.
    2) Obama gave lip service to Mubarek’s overthrow when he should have influenced a better outcome.
    3) We should have done what we could to help Qadaffi stay in power.
    4) We have let down the Ukraine.

    Saying the Obama administration made mistakes does not mean they are responsible for the chaos in every nutjob Muslim country.

    And until you guys acknowledge we had NO business in Iraq in 2003, I don’t want to hear shit from you.

    P.S. Go back even further when OBL was our buddy against the big bad Russians. Another example of a time we should have minded our own business.

  261. You weren’t truely asking questions, liar. You were getting off on spreading ignorance. Your questions were passive aggressive statements. Again. The motive was there.

    I don’t know what bug is up your ass today but you don’t know squat about my motives.

    Seriously, go prepare some lesson plans or fix a fucking toilet and calm yourself down.

  262. “Tigre, yes it was lazy of me to ask for opinions instead of doing my own research. Big deal.”

    Instead of? No. To the exclusion of.

    You’re like a guy stranded on an escalator when the power goes out.

    It’s odd. I just don’t get why you wouldn’t say, “that is odd. I wonder if someone has addressed that. Maybe I’ll do a quick Google to see if this is as stupid as every single Poolman conspiracy.”

  263. 8 years ago, if I described the current insane situation in the Middle East, the hordes of refugees destabilizing central Europe, anarchy in Libya aftercregime change, an actual terrorist Caliphate, Russian occupation of the Ukraine….on and on……and then told you this is what we are going to end up with, you would have said I’m an Obama hating nut job.

    IfvI told you

  264. Oops

    If I then went on to say, “Rutherford, bare with me. Suspend all belief and just imagine that description being real 7 years from now, would you concede that Obama is a failure”?

    Laughing at such an impossibility, you would have agreed…. “Yes….that meets the criteria of a total failure”

    Well guess what…we told you the world was going to unravel like this. We said it over and over.

    Want me to go back in time? Repost our dire warnings?

    So go back to being intrigued by Poolman, while the entire middle East emptys out into Europe.

    You do not understand the gravity of the situation. You didn’t then. You don’t now.

  265. Lol….yeah…the escalator about sums it up.

    “It’s odd. I just don’t get why you wouldn’t say, “that is odd. I wonder if someone has addressed that. Maybe I’ll do a quick Google to see if this is as stupid as every single Poolman conspiracy.”

    Isn’t just strange? Why….I would swear Rutherford had some kind of moti…..aw fuck it.

  266. Here are more people who have suffered because Obama was elected president and other leaders were also in power.

    I am immune to your charges, because I opposed the invasion of Iraq until our niece, her husband, our daughter’s college room mate, and several of our children’s high school class mates were in Iraq. Then, an on line friend and I who also opposed the invasion collected and sent about 40 care packages to the troops.

    Obama is not responsible for every nut job regime in the Middle East, but he is largely responsible for the disintegration of Syria and its neighbors.

    He has also betrayed Ukraine. Had he pursued another policy, thousands of refugees would not be invading Europe now. Their open policy and welfare state have also contributed, but the primary fault lies with Obama and his policies.

  267. This is some weird shit. Has happened twice this week.

    One of you posted a YouTube URL and since part of my app won’t click on URL’s I have to search on it. So once this week the URL pulled both the intended video and another video of dogs doing 69.

    When I searched on Tigre’s escalator vid I got that plus a video of a bird fucking a man’s head.

    Bizarre.

  268. You are all forgetting how hard it was to discern who the good guys were in Syria. Topple Assad and replace him with who? The outcome would likely be worse than it is now.

  269. We have been hearing about the invasion of refugees to Europe, but even more of these people are camped in Middle Eastern nations like Lebanon. They are beginning to feel unsafe and are contemplating fleeing to Europe. This video was made in 2013, and yet, Obama has done little or nothing to help these people.
    A writer theorized that Obama was reluctant to stop the violence in and around Syria because he was more determined to reach a nuclear agreement with Iran than to help save lives. I don’t know if it is true or not, but it could be.

  270. Poolman, you really should read the article posted by Tigre. It does blow the entire thing out of the water.

    I did and it doesn’t. Maybe the muzzle flash question, but none of the examples are the same as the one in the video of the fake shooting. The very last one comes the closest but closer observation looks like it was shopped in. Do a frame by frame. It’s especially obvious at the 15 second spot. Other people have said the shooter’s hand lunges forward instead of back. I can see that and still no casings or moving parts on top of the gun.

    The why they didn’t see the shooter approaching is lame and not believable, especially if you watch the whole shooter’s video. The bad shot reasoning because he was holding a camera and shooting is also lame. The lady being interviewed who turned down medical transport to get herself to the hospital is also quite a silly story, but he didn’t go there.

    The ‘quite probably specks of blood’ he claims is really stretching it. Another debunker has called those specks shell casings. Keelan doesn’t address the lack of blood, rather the lack of ‘spurting’ blood. Then he claims the running has been called to question, which it wasn’t. No one is saying she should have gone down immediately.

    And then he does the same thing he accuses the truthers of doing with his posting of blurry shooting victim videos. And posts a darkened and blurred image of the live shot of the shooter to blur the obvious different shirt. Diversions. In every one of his blurred video examples the victims ARE reacting to being shot. Then he claims maybe the first 3 shots did not hit.

    He has moved the goal posts several times.

    What about the blood that would accumulate from a body lying in one spot with a fatal head shot? It isn’t there. Adam supposedly lay for some 6 hours on a wood deck with floors below.
    And then he shows a picture of the spot where Alison’s body is supposed to have been found. No blood, but the bigger question is how did someone in the UK get a picture of that spot and who told him that is where she was found and when was that picture taken? His whole debunk brings up more questions, yet he calls it conclusive debunking.

    Then his time stamp diversion really does nothing but take up space. Supposedly someone named The Black Child posted some bullshit. For all we know that could be one of his sock puppets. He is known to have more than one when he attacks other’s sites in the comment section.
    Rutherford, I know you aren’t familiar, but Keelan Balderson is the UK’s version of Alex Jones, albeit smarter than Jones and more believable than Mick West. Admittedly, he did put out a huge effort, though most of it diverts from the real questions being posed. Keelan is what one would call controlled opposition. He has been on the ‘inside’ of the truther movement for years.

    He should just stick with covering wrestling, which he also does. I guess they’re getting desperate.

    So, no. A better effort this time by the Thurmster, but NO CIGAR.

  271. I know how hard it was to determine who were good and bad. In fact we gave aid to some who later turned against us. You are right about that.

    Travel back to the beginning, when Obama encouraged the Arab Spring and with the help of German allies took down governments. Some on the left placed the false spring in the same catagory as MWS. Which was an attempt to overshadow the Tea Party with a leftist grass roots movement.

    Syria was stronger with friends like Russia and Iran, so the populist revolution failed and became a multifacited civil war. Obama and Hillary gave birth to the hydra which plagues us now.

  272. These refugees present a complicated problem. Most are like us, but some are jihadists. Others will merely want to become the majority culture and religion.

    Hungary was a source of thousands of refugees, and the CIA took a special interest in them. They provided good information about the KGB and other Soviet organizations. The Soviets also planted intelligence operatives who remained in steal mode as they observed and waited for an operation.

    The European invasion is merely the first wave. Even more are waiting in the Middle East as they have been languishing for the past two years. Obama has devoted more time to fund raising and negotiating the Iranian agreement than he has to the refugee flood.

    An Egyptian billionaire has offered to buy an island off the Greek coast and establish a livable refugee camp. We could do that.

  273. It’s getting difficult to believe dead rabbit is a teacher after reading his dribble here. I call bullshit. Either that, or our education system has truly bottomed out. Maybe I’ll debunk dr the educator next. 😆

  274. So, no. A better effort this time by the Thurmster, but NO CIGAR.

    Well while I can’t sign on to your debunking of the debunking, your punchline was worth waiting for. “The Thurmster” 😂😂😂😂

  275. “Well while I can’t sign on to your debunking of the debunking, your punchline was worth waiting for. “The Thurmster”-R

    Wow….this new poolman conspiracy….I’ve never seen Rutherford yuck it up more with the scum bag. He’s smitten with you.

  276. Actually DR your memory is short tonight. I’ve always been more patient with Poolman than the rest of you and I’ve always given him a large benefit of the doubt.

    I don’t share his man-crush on Brother Nate and I find his trivialization of the death of 20 kids reprehensible. But folks are complex. I think basically Pools is a good egg struggling to deal with a complicated world where we ARE lied to everyday. Two old jokes come to mind:

    “Just cos you’re paranoid doesn’t mean the bastards aren’t out to get you.”

    “The toughest mental patient is the paranoid who does have people out to get him.”

  277. ” I find his trivialization of the death of 20 kids reprehensible. ”

    Then act like it. He should be treated like the scum he is. He disrespects the families. And mocks little 1st graders, slaughtered.

    And don’t come at me with the whole shades grey bull shit.

    If you can’t draw a line on the filth he writes about those kids, you have no spine.

  278. And no, you have never indulged him with a conspiracy more then this one. Sure, you’ve engaged him like we all have….argued against his sick rumors….but this particular conspiracy gets your rocks off. It’s obvious.

    So you feign innocent “questions” that could be answerable in ten seconds if you really cared (which you don’t) just so you can waft his stink around.

    You like his fog on this one.

  279. DR you know why this one got me going? If you scroll up you’ll find it. I found the news woman’s father one of the oddest dudes I’ve ever seen. Like I said earlier, if my daughter got killed on live TV, I’d go fetal for a week. This dude is on TV within 24 hours, composed, almost clinical. And as I wrote in my very first comment on the topic, once I found the dad weird, I saw how one thing leads to another and you can end up going full Poolman.

  280. Poolman, you ever even get close to anything involving my real life and I’ll be spending alot of time in Glendale.

    Rabbit, you are an emotional roller coaster with all kinds of triggers. Proof is in this blog. It’s either that or you have a split personality. Yeah, that’s probably it. You may have even eluded to that.

    I find someone who cannot control their own emotions more dangerous to themselves and others than someone who communicates controversial topics on an adult forum with supposed other adults in a fairly small pond. You said your brother was that way. Maybe it’s you too.

    Words and images are what we share here. YOUR imagination translates it to you.

    I don’t know you other than who you have told us you are. I do question your ability to teach inquisitive minds. The reason: If you can’t see through a sham, how will those disciples get a clue?

    Can you honestly say people, given opportunity, do NOT pull off deceptions for money or political agendas?

    Human history is all about it. I claim to see a pattern of deceptions for both. You say no commonalities, no deception, genuine tragedy. You see those who say otherwise as some kind of dangerous mind.

    Never question the Almighty TV.

    It is legal to propagandize Americans. But let’s compartmentalize that…

    Can you look your boy in the eye and tell him the news is truth on their spoken word?

    That IS what you are saying here. Your proof is you believe in the authority of this government and their newscasters. Or the goodness and honesty of the American people. Or apple pie or some other brain fart you’re cooking.

    It really is pitiful where we’ve come to. I believe the teevee the very best means of mass indoctrination wicked minds ever dreamt up. Now we can be hooked up everywhere we go. I do not trust the government – any of it. They are in cahoots with media. They are proven liars and deceivers that enrich themselves while leaving nothing for our children’s children. It makes me angry. Anger is a serious motivator. Ask James.

  281. Yes, Poolman I can tell you about the power of controlled anger. It will give one the energy to accomplish many things.

    I am angry now. The allies forced Germans to witness the results of their leaders’ handiwork. I would do as Bobby Jindal did when he broadcast the Planned Parenthood murder tapes at the state house for pro- Parenthood demonstrators. They refused to watch. These videos are the best I can do. You will probably abstain from watching this one, but at least I put it out there.

    Yulia Marushevska of the “I am a Ukrainian ” video is describing what superficially resembles the evolution of our United States. Republicans are guilty too. They adopt elitist attitudes and lie to us to impress us with their values.

    Obama’s progressives in and out of politics are truly more evil than the Republican leadership, because they are proactive. They hate this country as it is constituted, and they are destroying it and its history of mutual ethnic tolerance.

    Is there really a memo I didn’t read? No real response to my and others blaming Obama’s policies for the dead and fleeing people has come yet. I’d like an acknowledgement that we are right, or detailed destruction of our positions. This is important to me, and our feckless president and his defenders make me angry.

  282. I flag the play that has nuts claiming a set of scientific fact of gun action to be “Hollywood” in the same breath that they call the lack of theatrical exploding,splattering humanity secondary to their ignorance of real GSW kineticmatics.
    This is why people have to respond to nuts. If you don’t their lies sit their and instead of decomposing and going away they fester and spread disease.

  283. Rutherford I personally say question everything. I only require people do it thoroughly and credibly. If you get more questions than answers keep digging. I can accept ignorance,what I can’t abide is malicious lies meant to denigrate innocents. When you debunk assholes they don’t learn. They scurry away in denial and delusion but can be counted upon to come back with the same tired lies. An asshole that actually learns something is worthy of some leeway,the arrogant resident retarded hole digger….not so much.

  284. Emotions shows one to be human and worthy of grace. The “controlled” sociopathic nature of people who lie and intentionally pursue the buttons of others is a Hell bound loser.

  285. Can you honestly say people, given opportunity, do NOT pull off deceptions for money or political agendas?
    I’d say it is exactly what shit bags like you do. What’s your point?

  286. Here is another flag. A Harvard study, I think showed that Australia’s banning and buying back fire arms in 1996 did not produce the results the left claims.

    The frequency of shootings went down, but the rate also fell in the United States. Crime violence has not changed much over the long term, and Australians are still killing themselves.

  287. “DR you know why this one got me going? If you scroll up you’ll find it”

    Alphey summed my frustrations perfectly.

    I saw the Dad. I did not see anything out of the ordinary. I could tell he was grieving and doing what alot of men do: taking some kind of action in the middle of an all encompassing crisis. It doesn’t matter if it is futile. Sadly R, you are probably the last man to understand this.

    You are talking to 2nd amendment supporter with a safe full of guns. Yet here I am defending the guy on a soap box giving “ammo” for the gun control crowd.

    Not becuase of his politics. Becuase of his humanity.

    I don’t blame you for how insulated you are to the human condition. I do blame you when you engage, and by default encourage, vile Poolman to spread his nasty shit becuase of that fact.

    I

  288. Ewwww! Rutherford, I hope your daughter doesn’t talk about your blog at “Show & Tell”

    parker , September 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm

  289. Between conspiracy theories and porn this blog gets weirder every day. Any photographer will tell you in today’s digital age, photos and videos are not always what they appear to be. Basically one needs to read and view all material and come to their own conclusion. This concept denotes what is wrong with our education system in that students are not taught to analyze. Religious beliefs as well as political beliefs should come from introspection not blind faith.

  290. Raj –

    Welcome to 2015, where we’re all equal. None of that toning it down for the ladies – they are just as rough, tough, profane, horny, and in all other ways as incorrigible as the lads. We know that because they waste no opportunity to tell us so …

    Admit it, Raji – you did find the little joke a bit amusing, no?

  291. Rutherford I have taken a ton of pictures both film and digital. I have had my share of exposure oops and that’s no lie. I took a couple of pictures once on an outing on George’s Island. In the ruins as it were of the fort there I relied entirely on the camera to capture the two images. Lighting issues a bound in both. I get home and the captured images were blackouts. I throw them on photoshop and filter them/compensate them and poof there the real and true image lay. That was my introduction to how images can be captured even if it doesn’t look like it. That is exactly the science behind shooter clothing. It’s not trickery. The “editing” doesn’t create it revealed.
    Hope that helps on that one. Unless we’re to assume Nikon and Apple are in global cahoots to trick billions 😆

  292. I see that the Kentucky clerk, Kim Davis, landed in jail, in support of her beliefs. Well, Thoreau said you could commit civil disobedience, but you should be willing to suffer the State’s punishment – which I guess she is – so good on her.

    Of course the whole thing begs the question: She has been divorced three times. Many religions, including her own, consider remarriage adultery. How did she get around that little sticky wicket? And it’s a sure bet that she remained celibate before her first and between each subsequent marriage.

    Now the Muslim clerks in America will be denying driver’s certificates to women. Should make for interesting conversation…

    And that, Rutherford, is why the Separation of Church and State is one of the most important tenets of American society.

  293. I’d say it is exactly what shit bags like you do. What’s your point?

    I think your reading comprehension matches your communication skills.

    Okay, I’ll bite. What profit have I gained or what political agenda am I pushing by sharing what I have?

  294. If you get more questions than answers keep digging.

    Exactly. That IS why I keep digging. Unrelenting. BTW, what answer did you give for your buddy Richard being where he was when he was? Crickets…

  295. I minored in photography in college. All old school stuff mind you, primarily B&W with physical film and solutions developing in a darkroom. I am assuming you speak of that type of imagery when you say ‘blackout’, since most digital formats will allow you to view what you’ve taken right away.

    Yet, what puzzles me and may require a better explanation if you will offer, is that you mention photo shop, which is an entirely digital process. I don’t understand, please help my understanding.

    When someone says, ‘that’s no lie’, it always raises a red flag for me. I know plenty that use it in their daily vernacular, but between us I only have the experience of your written words.

  296. what I can’t abide is malicious lies meant to denigrate innocents.

    One of the things I noticed in the article posted by Tigre is that there appear to be two kinds of truthers. One kind passively takes ambiguous “evidence” as a sign of something fishy (the light skinned hand). The other kind deliberately manipulates the evidence as in the folks who deliberately posted news coverage that cropped out the proper time stamp in the broadcast.

    The first type seem forgivable to me. The second type are mischievous scum.

  297. Rutherford, I hope your daughter doesn’t talk about your blog at “Show & Tell”

    😂😂😂😂

    Because the name has such a “ring” to it, my daughter knows the name Dead Rabbit and has on occasion asked what he’s up to. LOL

  298. Raji, you and I think Alfie have brought up a very good point. One of the drawbacks of the democratization of the Internet is unreliable photo and video evidence. The opportunity for manipulation is just too great.

  299. ” I could tell he was grieving and doing what alot of men do: taking some kind of action in the middle of an all encompassing crisis. It doesn’t matter if it is futile. Sadly R, you are probably the last man to understand this.”

    He understands it perfectly. Rutherford is nothing if not a “we must do something/anything even if it’s the wrong thing” kind of guy. We’ve accused him of such many times.

  300. LOL Huck is right on that one.

    Rabbit this is an eye of the beholder kind of thing. I saw Newtown fathers call for gun control but they looked shaken up, one literally shaking with rage.

    This VA dad just seemed very very odd to me. A matter of demeanor. If you didn’t see him that way, we just have different perceptions.

  301. The first type seem forgivable to me. The second type are mischievous scum.

    Very true that. This realm is full of both. But again, it is a battlefield out here. One for the mind.

  302. It’s a bit deceiving to claim to have “majored” or “minored” in something without actually having a degree in anything.

  303. “This VA dad just seemed very very odd to me.”

    And so the upshot is 50 posts here on which poolman the scum hold’s court.

  304. Timeline shows the law of the land prevailed in 2004 San Francisco. All illegal marriages were voided and Newsom had to work within the system (via lawsuit) to resist court ruling. He justified his initial action by his liberal interpretation of the state constitution. In other words, by his liberal perception of the law of the land. When ordered to stop, he stopped. Ms. Davis was given the opportunity to stop and did NOT stop.

    The Newsom-Davis false equivalency is ALL OVER the conservative media right now. Not original within this thread. In fact, within this thread, just another conservative lemming.

    http://projects.scpr.org/timelines/prop-8/

  305. Well what do you know – he does know how to spell Google.,

    I of course was speaking about your reaction to the civil disobedience, dunderhead.

  306. All I have seen the last several days from every side imaginable are claims of “false equivalency” to justify simple hypocrisy when there is literally no other defense.

    You either want government officials to abide by the laws they are sworn to uphold or you don’t. It’s really simple and there is no middle ground or room for equivocation.

  307. Huck is right.

    We are slowly ripping apart.

    This is the kind of thing that happens when the Supreme Court legislates becuase it feels good.

    I starting to be OK with not giving a fuck about laws becuase the Republic is not remotely functioning correctly.

    Maybe we should at least start brainstorming what a proper and civil divorce would look like, and I’m not talking marriage.

  308. You either want government officials to abide by the laws they are sworn to uphold or you don’t. It’s really simple and there is no middle ground or room for equivocation.

    I suppose it could be argued the responsibilities of the executive are pretty black/white.

    I only call false equivalency because Newsom defied the law, earned a rebuke from the court and abided by the court’s decision while choosing to seek other legal recourse.

    Ms. Davis defied the law and when rebuked by the court, did NOT comply and did not pursue some sort of legal recourse. Her disobedience got her tossed in jail.

    Newsom’s disobedience got him rebuked and greatly inconvenienced the lives of the many couples whose marriages were nullified.

    This notion that Davis paid a price and Newsom didn’t is BS. And the notion that Newsom and Davis responded the same way to court rebuke is BS.

    On another note, if courts have told the mayors of sanctuary cities to follow the law, and those mayors have not done so, without consequence, THAT is a much more powerful argument than this Newsom business.

  309. I think Tex proposed 50 separate “countries” with some loosely defined alliances. I think that’s far too much granulation.

    Politically the Deep South would make a good bloc for spinoff. It gets trickier in the West where CA is more like MA than it is like Utah. I don’t quite know how you carve up that part of the country. But clearly, the following states should probably go their own way just off the top of my head:

    NC, SC, GA, FL, MS, AL, AR, KY, TX, TN, and OK

  310. You forgot Idaho, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakota’s, Alaska.

    California could split. As could Michigan, Penslavania and Ohio.

  311. West Virginia mirrors the Upper Peninsula…. Old school democratic….but the democrats have foresaken the old mining towns and rural people.

  312. I think you should support the expansion of EO/AA to people of faith.

    Serious question Alfie. Do you believe people of faith are persecuted in this country? As you answer that consider the odds of an avowed atheist getting nominated much less elected POTUS.

  313. “I didn’t stop and think what kind of email system will there be.” – HRC

    Don’t you have to “stop and think” before you pay a State Dept employee off the books to set up your server?

  314. Yes, Iowa would likely split with the West joining Nebraska.

    Until the federal and state governments obey the laws, it is fine for the rest of us to disobey laws we find repugnant or unfair as long as we accept punishment if caught.

    I’m not advocating something I haven’t already done,

  315. If we goaded authorities into violence as the Ukrainian protesters did the right circumstances would turn protests into more than token civil disobedience.

  316. I obviously haven’t paying attention. Why has this refugee crisis hit a boiling point this week?

    I know over a year ago Jordan was dealing with lots of refugees. Seems like things metastasized very quickly. But like I said, I haven’t been following it.

  317. The Daily Mail reports a new poll shows the majority of Brits would quit the EU because of the migrant crisis.

    Angela Merkle berated Cameron for not taking more refugees. He refused. She said it is why “we all hate you” Cameron replied Britain could drop out of the EU

    A commentor wrote “The problem is UK people are NEVER consulted!” Another wrote that the no petition is growing rapidly.

    “They sound like us.

  318. I don’t understand the need for a qualified of atheists

    I know that has a typo in it but I can’t figure out what you’re saying.

    As for the rest of your comment I see no meaningful manifestation of anti-religious sentiment in this country. By meaningful I mean religious folks have no problem voting, no problem getting employment, no unfair treatment by the criminal justice system. If the worst thing they can say is the liberal media mocks them, they’re having a VERY good day.

  319. “I’m watching refugees storm Europe. Curse Obama and Hillary!” -James

    It’s an epic disaster. Historic. History will be very unkind to them both.

    Look at Rutherford. Dude just doesn’t get the seriousness of the situation.

    It’s like a nightmare where every doomsday prediction of Obama naysayers in ’08 is becoming reality.

  320. “As for the rest of your comment I see no meaningful manifestation of anti-religious sentiment in this country”

    Bull shit.

    Mocked on television. College campuses are hostile. Pro lifers are called terrorists by mainstream candidates. Bakers forced to provide the center piece to gay weddings.

    The left is anti-Christian, the only exception being the highjacked and politicized black church.

  321. Rutherford, thousands of refugees are overwhelming parts of Europe. What is disquieting is that even more are waiting in Jordon and other Middle Eastern countries. They are feeling unsafe. Syrians tell stories of homes being bombed and loved ones killed. Others are fleeing ISIS attacks.

    Human traffickers are taking advantage of the situation and shipping people to Europe as fast as they can.

    Hungary is building a wall, and the government tried to stop the movement toward Germany. The president said the calamity threatens the ethnic and religious integrity of Europe. Europeans may be a minority in their own continent.

    One estimate I read is that up to ten million people might ultimately invade Europe. Most seem to be like us, but ISIS says they will infiltrate the hoards much as Soviets did with Hungarian refugees in the 1950’s

  322. “As for the rest of your comment I see no meaningful manifestation of anti-religious sentiment in this country.”

    Says the bigot.

  323. Once again,Rutherford,

    An estimated 17,000 mostly Syrians are held on the Greek island of Lesbos. Some are rioting.

    Checs numbered refugees with felt pens until critics said it was too close to Nazi death camps.

  324. Rabbit admittedly when it comes to this humanitarian crisis, I’ve been asleep at the wheel.

    Why do you think that is?

  325. “One estimate I read is that up to ten million people might ultimately invade Europe.” -James

    I read that too. As of right now Germany is taking 800,000.

    Only one other time has Europe seen movement like this: Atilla the Hun.

  326. no doubt Abrahammics have an easier life in America than elsewhere the truth is people of faith are EXPECTED to DENY their FAITH in America and that is and should be unacceptable

  327. the truth is people of faith are EXPECTED to DENY their FAITH in America

    Sorry I need empirical proof of that. My anecdotal evidence of thousands flocking to their churches, synagogues and temples undisturbed and without harassment tells me otherwise. The fact that EVERY political candidate must express some religious belief tells me otherwise. The fact that objection to religion in public discourse is the exception, not the rule tells me otherwise.

  328. Out of the many passages in the bible, a quick Google reveals homosexuality mentioned a mere 7 times. And from what I read the burden of the act (and the punishment for the act) center around the actor, not the community. In other words, if Adam wants Steve and not Eve it is he who will not be welcomed into the kingdom of God, not his baker or florist or photographer.

    The bigots (Tigre) are those who hide behind religion to discriminate against gays. Prohibitions against homosexuality are NOT a big part of the bible. There are better bigger battles for the religious to fight.

    http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_homosexuality.htm#Bible

  329. “The bigots (Tigre) are those who hide behind religion to discriminate against gays.”

    Rutherford, you’re a bigot, plain and simple.

    Take it up with someone else. The juvenile shit you just wrote proves it.

  330. “I believe I heard today that these are the conditions that preceded WWI.”

    Perhaps in the Balkans?

    But this going to the heart of Central Europe.

  331. DR, if you work around that great source Rutherford found, there’s nothing of significance that contradicts the progressive agenda. Turns out practicing Christians got it all wrong. Nothing is a biggie. They should’ve been counting the number of direct references and listening to Rutherford. 🙄

  332. Rutherford, where’d you get hat sound logic? Comments from other bigots at an MSNBC, HuffPo or Daily Kos site?

    Tenet of faith = discrimination.

    Opposing gay marriage = anti-gay.

    Got it.

    That right there is some genius shit.

  333. Hey, Rutherford. Turns out Christians that don’t want to bake gay wedding cakes or deliver pizzas to a a gay wedding ain’t really a big deal. Others will.

    What was your definition of bigot again? It wouldn’t be an atheist deciding what’s religiously important based on the number of references in the bible in forcing them to do or refrain from doing things based on their faith. We know that.

    Hmmmmm.

  334. Rutherford I don’t imagine it is really worth my time to go through this but I’ll go ahead and give it a shot.
    I say empirically speaking you kind of capture the essence of what I said to be true. You and people like you expect people of faith to deny their faith,hell you even demand it.
    Look deeper into your reply. You see plenty going off to their places of worship. That is code for what you find to be the acceptable location for their silly acts and beliefs. The deeper truth though is that when one of them dares to follow their faith outside of the boxes (churches,temples etc.) ,to do exactly what their faith calls for them to do you take to the ramparts and sound the alarm.

    I’ve typed and retyped a continuation of this comment a number of times and it really is just a total bother. This topic is deeper than you’re capable of wading into and I don’t say that as an insult.
    Humans are the greatest negative to their religions and imo religions are the greatest negative to faith. Faith is a remarkable and wonderful thing and trying to get you to understand that and to appreciate the shackles that exist is just insurmountable for me right now.

  335. I see there is no direct mention in the Bible about pedophilia.

    I believe pederasty is referenced in the bible.

    But fine, you want to take me down on the “number of mentions” argument I launched, you win.

  336. LOL I’m actually amused watching Tigre run with this. If only I knew that a weak argument would provoke a link fest I’d work harder at it.

    Glad you’re having fun Tigre.

  337. Alfie I appreciate the effort.

    Religious folks taking their best traits outside the walls of the church is fantastic. Charity, love of fellow man, tolerance and forgiveness. All taught in the bible. It’s when they bring stoning homos to death (Old Testament) out of the church that I start to holler.

  338. ” It’s when they bring stoning homos to death (Old Testament) out of the church that I start to holler.”

    Actually, you start to holler when a woman conscientiously objects to putting her name on a gay marriage certificate.

    She also was put in a position to break state law.

    This is what happens when the judiciary legislates. Cluster fuck.

    It’s reasonable for someone else to sign the gay marriages.

    Surely if the Amish don’t have to pay social security tax, we can find another Clerk to sign the damn gay marriage certificate. Who the fuck gets out of taxes? The Amish! Why, becuase religious freedom is that important to us.

  339. “In what universe is that equation untrue? Are you stoned?”

    This goes in the pile with the rest of your smug and ill-considered bigotry.

  340. Most of this country allows religious exemptions to vaccinations! That’s how far the line of “reasonableness” goes in the favor of religious freedom (in my opinion too far). But the point remains… You can get out of getting drafted, paying taxes, getting your shots, allowed to trip your balls of on peyote….you can even pluck a feather out of a bald eagle!

  341. “I’m not even religious. It’s the stunning shallowness that irks me.”

    He really is an uneducated moron. He’s neither book smart nor street smart.

    He’s got solid grammar… I’ll give him that…

    Dude peaked at 11th grade.

    Well….he’s makes a damn fine chew toy for the rest of us. I suppose that’s why we come here.

  342. Can’t refuse to hypothetically cater pizza at gay weddings. STFU even if you do serve gays at you parlor without reservation.

  343. “Those late night rap sessions at Harvard must have been real heady.”

    Imagine when he retires and fullfills his fantasy of being the elder on campus, drinking tea and enjoying the company of young but nauseating utopian hipsters.

  344. Surely if the Amish don’t have to pay social security tax, we can find another Clerk to sign the damn gay marriage certificate.

    Didn’t Davis demand that her subordinates not sign certificates?

  345. Tigre you’re the bigot. Is this the equation that resonates with you?

    Gay people = male on male sodomy + female on female whatever

    You see, where I come from, being gay isn’t just about the sex. It’s also about love and TRADITIONALLY folks in love want to get married.

    So yes, being against gay marriage IS anti-gay.

  346. It’s such fun watching you boys virtually fellate each other thinking its at my expense. I’m laughing at you. You’re a bunch of homo-phobes. You’ve proven it time and time again. And you have the cajones to call me a bigot.

    When I’m in a good mood, I enjoy watching you spew your hypocritical bullshit. That’s why I keep the bar open so you can come here and entertain me. 😂

  347. “Didn’t Davis demand that her subordinates not sign certificates?”

    That’s a good point. Are all certificates ultimately in her name?

  348. “Careful Rabbit, you’re making the argument that religious folks are NOT persecuted in this country. In fact you’re arguing quite the opposite.”

    As Alphy pointed out. It’s not Saudi Arabia here.
    I said the left is hostile. And unfortunately, the left reigns supreme in many areas.

  349. “Tigre you’re the bigot. Is this the equation that resonates with you?”

    Uh, yeah. You forgot my position on what you call bigotry again, dumbass.

  350. “You see, where I come from, being gay isn’t just about the sex. It’s also about love and TRADITIONALLY folks in love want to get married.”

    Are you saying that the hundreds of thousands of global polygamous Islamic marriages are not based on love?

    The problem is you got what you wanted the wrong way.

  351. It’s hard enough being such a shallow bigot around here for Rutherford. Now you throw in polygamy and another version of oppressed by white racist America. Sheesh.

  352. That’s a good point. Are all certificates ultimately in her name?

    Right now there are two schools of thought. With Davis in jail, certs are going like hot cakes, signed by subordinates. Judges say the certs are valid. Pro-Davis folks are saying they are not.

  353. The problem is you got what you wanted the wrong way.

    I actually agree that it would have been better for this to go down state by state. Would have taken longer but I can see how judicial fiat pisses purists off.

  354. I’m actually torn on this one. I don’t know enough about what clerks do.

    I know one thing….I hope more people protest. And it has nothing to do with gay marriage and everything to do with the tyranny of the judiciary.

  355. Ok Tigre, seriously explain to me how opposing gay marriage could possibly not be anti-gay.

    If only 1% of gay couples were interested in marriage, I might be able to agree with you but I suspect the percentage is considerably higher than that.

  356. “What kills me is if “five unelected lawyers” struck down Obamacare you guys would be cheering.”

    Crap. You just reminded me of another Obama lie. It’s not a tax, until the miserable fucks stand in front of the SCOTUS.

    You will never know how much I despise Obama and the Dems.

  357. Condell hits another one out of the park. re: US Constitution’s First Amendment.
    Editor’s Note: See next comment for video.
    DR: “You will never know how much I despise Obama and the Dems.”
    You have plenty of company, by God. Clinton was an international embarrassment, with his perpetual erection and his inability to recognize the truth if it walked up and bit him on the ass, but Obama and crew are eating your country from the inside, like a giant cancer.

  358. Shit. Youtube automatically advances to the next video. Here is the correct link:

    Rutherford – can you dump that previous link? Thanks.

  359. ” Right now there are two schools of thought. With Davis in jail, certs are going like hot cakes, signed by subordinates. Judges say the certs are valid. Pro-Davis folks are saying they are not.”

    They are valid if the govt says they are valid. Her opinion macht nichts.

  360. I would be cheering if the unelected lawyers voted down Obamacare.

    One doesn’t have to be pro or anti gay to oppose gay marriage. One doesn’t even have to be religious.Like abortion, the central government forced it upon us when localities could have decided this for themselves over time.

    This issue is less about religion than it is the progressives’ plan to destroy our culture and our identity as a nation. Michele Obama told us so before they took power.

  361. “Ok Tigre, seriously explain to me how opposing gay marriage could possibly not be anti-gay.

    If only 1% of gay couples were interested in marriage, I might be able to agree with you but I suspect the percentage is considerably higher than that.”

    Huh? what difference does it make what percentage want to get “married?”

    Rutherford, this another one of those times that have to say, “grow the fuck up.” We’ve had discussion of this. It has been dealt with in depth. Obviously it was addressed in considerable detail in the recent SCOTUS decision that you can’t be bothered to read.

    Why don’t you try and understand the debate? Seriously. Instead, it’s always the tired repetition your moral preening and vilification of whatever stereotype you chose to apply to those that don’t agree with you. Dumbed-down bigotry.

    Now before I have to go on, you need to recall where I come down on the debate, pull up your big-boy pants, and quit pretending there’s something difficult about the obvious concept that many people have a theological and philosophical opposition to gay marriage. One that doesn’t make them “anti-gay” or homophobic or malicious, or even unfair. One that is founded the simple acceptance of the traditional definition of “marriage” that has existed for centuries in all cultures. One that recognizes that the institution of marriage is irrefutably founded in procreation and exists to further the virtues of family stability in child rearing. One that does not detract from the understanding, tolerance or or affections for gays.

    Does it even occur to you that many traditional marriage proponents have gay children themselves? Children they love very much with lifestyles they accept and even protect?

    How could that be? They don’t believe in “marriage equality” so they must be anti-gay right?

    Oh, yeah. Your brand of bigotry forgets that you’ve it depends on the redefinition of marriage to fit your shallow intolerance:

    “You see, where I come from, being gay isn’t just about the sex. It’s also about love and TRADITIONALLY folks in love want to get married.” -R

    Guess what? Many people of good conscience and character rationally believe that marriage is more than merely the expression of a love people have for each other. They believe that it is a life-long union between two people that recognizes and dignifies the inherent biological reality of procreation between opposite sex couples, even when children do not arrive.

    It’s not “anti-gay” to believe this. It’s not like they plucked pluck the traditional definition of marriage from the sky or that it is simply a piece of religious teaching. It is the meaning of marriage that has emerged from all human cultures. In making your accusation, all you’ve done is remove the sexual specificity from the notion of marriage and made it a matter of sexual choice.

    Simply put. rejecting the change in the definition of marriage so that it ever after stands for sexual choice, severing the link between sex and babies, does not make you “anti-gay.” Claiming otherwise makes you a narrow-minded bigot though.

    Now why don’t you explain why you think gay marriage should be done state-by-state all of a sudden. Are you anti-gay?

  362. Joke, what joke Parker? I scrolled so fast past the picture I didn’t notice. But you do have a point that it’s the new world and this world lacks “RESPECT” for the beliefs and sensitivities of others. Probably why we are headed down the rabbit hole.

  363. I believe one can oppose gay marriage and not be anti-gay. The key word in contention is the word “marriage”. The majority of people think marriage is a contract between God and two people and if those two people believe that God only enters into contract with man and woman then they cannot believe in gay marriage. For those who do not believe that marriage is a contract between them and God, then they can see no reason to not have “gay” marriage.

    If you eliminate the word marriage and replace it with civil union , then there should be no objection to “gay” marriage. Let those who believe marriage is a contract with God have their ceremony in addition to the civil union. I believe that any two people that enter into a life partnership should have equal benefits under federal/state law. There are many heterosexual couples that do not believe in “marriage”. Our government does not allow this couple equal benefits under current laws.

  364. R, I also thought the demeanor of the dad was unusual to say the least. One needs to feel sorry for the daughter if that is an example of his ability to be a father.

  365. I don’t know if I watched the same interview but I do know about how different folks deal with death. The dad seemed to have some emotion going and he seems like someone who can compartmentalize heavy stuff. He wants to be her dad still,protect her. All that is left for him is protecting her memory. Sadly for him most have all ready moved on from caring about his daughter,by Christmas nobody but the inner circle will.

  366. Rutherford you’re just waaaaaaaaayyyyy off base. People of faith have the right to their faith and to be safe from persecution for it. I say that even though scripturally Abrahammics are supposed to expect and wear as a badge of honor persecution. Fact remains you are a dangerous person. Sit back and think on that today.

  367. Case in point Rutherford of how dangerous you are. What the fuck is “anti-gay”?
    Seems to me the constructors of the word built it with great purpose.

  368. Free Speech and Religious Freedom

    When we boycott you because we feel superior to you that’s called “CHRISTIAN LOVE”.

    But when you return the favor and boycott us back that’s called “PERSECUTION”.

  369. I thought the father’s demeanor was odd, but people do compartmentalize. He may have become so focused on gun control that he directed his shock and grief toward it.

    Most of the press would have ignored him if he had been a member of the NRA. He was nothing but a tool to them. Until his usefulness wears out they will discard him as they did Cindy Shehan when she refused to follow the script.

  370. Lurker, that is one of the dumbest things you have written here. I shouldn’t waste my time, but here is is a tip. Your assumptions and logic are wrong. Boycotts on both sides are created out of anger, fear, and frustration, not Christian love or feelings of superiority toward the object.

    I am demonstrably superior to you, but I won’t hold it against you. I won’t persecute you with a boycott here. You can’t help yourself.

  371. It may be the dumbest thing I have written here. However, it is not the dumbest said on this blog as a number of you demonstrate here on a daily basis.

  372. Focus, Lurker.

    I was writing about you and no one else. Yes, this site produces dumber comments, but they have nothing to do with you. Pay attention.

  373. “… institution of marriage is irrefutably founded in procreation and exists to further the virtues of family stability in child rearing.”

    So … a fundie clerk should be allowed to tell a couple in their ‘fifties that she won’t issue them a marriage license, since the “institution of marriage is irrefutably founded in procreation,” and they are biologically too old to have children. (My GAHD – they must just be having sex for FUN! Abomination!)

    Hmmm …

    Raji – re: dirty jokes. The one thing your country has going for it, that has been utterly destroyed by the progressives in other places, is the right to speak your mind – even if it offends others – no matter the reason WHY it offends them. Never give that up. You should put that tool to work every time you can (I do.) so that it never gets rusty, or others will take it from you.

    As for me: I am entirely capable of outrageous utterance – and practice it with great skill – and intend to continue doing so as long as Rutherford allows. When he DOES NOT allow, I will go elsewhere. I’m not holding my breath, though … this may very well be the only liberal blog where the owner is willing to hear opinions with which he does not agree.

  374. Yes I know you made it personal….I was trying to avoid making it personal. I was brought up not to make fun of people with mental illness, especially those suffering from delusions of grandeur/importance and who believes he is a “perfect storm”. Who knows what would happen if “that storm” hit the planet….WWIII?

    And that is as personal I will go.

  375. Now why don’t you explain why you think gay marriage should be done state-by-state all of a sudden. Are you anti-gay?

    First, thanks for including an explanation after your usual insult.

    If I let go of my knee jerk intolerance toward intolerance, I can see your point – roughly that in some people’s minds, marriage holds a special meaning unrelated to sexual preference. Traditional family built around pro-creation even if pro-creation doesn’t occur.

    So my answer about my state by state preference is that people (and Americans in particular) don’t like being forced to do something. If I’m not mistaken, over half the country had already signed on prior to the SCOTUS decision. They could have chosen not to take the case and let the remainder of the country get on board. The acceptance rate was so amazing that it probably would have taken two, three years tops to go nationwide. Then folks could have felt they made the decision.

  376. “People of faith have the right to their faith and to be safe from persecution for it. ”

    They have the right to not be injured, arrested, excluded, pushed around.

    They do NOT have the right to be immune from criticism, verbal attack, parody. See “First Amendment of the US Constitution.” They do not have the right to be safe from getting their feelings hurt or the right to “safe zones,” – the current fad in the liberal college circuit. If they insult you, insult them back. They call you a fuckin’ loony for being religious, call them the same thing back. What you can NOT do is stop them from speaking.

    Note that these principles apply to everybody, not just religious people. Everybody. And this, “You hurt my feelings, and I should be able to shut you up,” is precisely why the First Amendment exists. Revel in it, Mate. You could live somewhere else. In fact, nearly everywhere else.

  377. “So … a fundie clerk should be allowed to tell a couple in their ‘fifties that she won’t issue them a marriage license, since the “institution of marriage is irrefutably founded in procreation,” and they are biologically too old to have children. (My GAHD – they must just be having sex for FUN! Abomination!)”

    I said no such thing. In fact, dimwit, I said the exact opposite. My position on gay marriage hasn’t changed since I started coming here. Rutherford’s malnourished brain has steadily declined to the point of not keeping his caricatures of the visitors here straight though. And you’ve benefited hugely by that.

    As James said, “focus.” These are two different subjects. We’ll let you know when Palin is brought up so you can join Rutherford in lathering your mush with righteous indignation.

  378. “So my answer about my state by state preference is that people (and Americans in particular) don’t like being forced to do something.”

    Ah yes. The position that can’t reconciled with your name-calling and bigotry. So snti-gay isn’t anti-gay — whatever the fuck that means to your bigoted, MSNBC-addled brain.

  379. “If you eliminate the word marriage and replace it with civil union , then there should be no objection to “gay” marriage.”

    Nobody owns a common word like “marriage.” If queers want to call it marriage, then By God, it’s “marriage.” Religious organizations have not and cannot trademark it.

    If churches don’t want to “marry” gay people, fine. They are private institutions and it’s their business. The civil representatives who work for the US govt have no such choice. If the law says they must “marry” queers, then they must marry queers. There’s no reason to call it anything else other than marriage – no matter what religious people want. The Wall of Separation says they don’t get to dictate to to the secular world. Their opinion is just like everybody else’s – worth no more or no less.

    What’s the big deal over a word? Your President is sinking you like the fucking Titanic and you are arguing over a word? Really?

  380. @ Parker you’re having the wrong argument with the wrong person. The fact of the matter is we have turned the First into such a pretzel its sad. but since we have,and since we’ve done so via legislation,litigation and set precedent folks can quite frankly piss off when others choose to use the new and “improved” First.
    Like it or not people of faith specifically the Abrahammics are going to use all the same bullshit ploys that the gays,blacks,illegals and every other protected class anti American piece of shit has embraced and deliver a national comeuppance.
    I don’t welcome it. I don’t think it a good thing. But the goose and gander principle always finds it way into policy.

  381. “What’s the big deal over a word?”

    Which is to you, PFesser? A “word” or a particular type of social status?

    I know what it is to a vast majority of those Rutherford calls “anti-gay” and the SCOTUS.

    It isn’t like a PC debate over “illegal immigrant” versus undocumented something or another.

  382. I note, Ambulance-Chaser, that you did not address my point. Typical “red herring” stuff they teach in ambulance-chaser school, one supposes.

    Now. YOU focus.

    You said, “… one that recognizes that the institution of marriage is irrefutably founded in procreation and exists to further the virtues of family stability in child rearing”

    and I said: ‘So … a fundie clerk should be allowed to tell a couple in their ‘fifties that she won’t issue them a marriage license, since the “institution of marriage is irrefutably founded in procreation,” and they are biologically too old to have children.’

    And then came the red herring and ad hominem, but never a real, intellectually-honest response.

    Now, put on your big-boy pants, focus, and tell us all how that, if the foundation of marriage is procreation – as YOU said it is – why is denying older couples marriage licenses any different from denying queers licenses, since neither can procreate.

    There – I did all the heavy lifting for you and laid it all out. Your turn. I’ll check your response tomorrow. Time for bed.

  383. “Now, put on your big-boy pants, focus, and tell us all how that, if the foundation of marriage is procreation – as YOU said it is – why is denying older couples marriage licenses any different from denying queers licenses, since neither can procreate.”

    Let’s see. . . the one that is doing the denying claims a religious basis, not a biological basis. One that I don’t subscribe to. and that no amount of arguing changes.

    Read my response — the one that was to Rutherford’s “anti-gay” comment. I will not re-type it. If you wish to argue that the definition of marriage should be redefined, be my guest. You, like Rutherford, missed the boat when the folks here had a serious discussion about the SCOTUS ruling and it’s basis: equal protection versus due process which I am sure flew over your head.

    I also reminded you of my position on gay marriage which is different from understanding the arguments from the view point of a shallow bigot, such as yourself. No amount outrage over my observations will change this.

    Now, you can’t let Palin go running here mouth. Get to it!

  384. Nobody gives a shit about your criticism, verbal attacks and parody. It makes you a bigot. Deal with it.

    Let’s lighten up with some bigot-approved funnies from a mere 75 years ago. .

  385. Hey Pfesser Dundee, see I won’t Google it for you, but why don’t you look up the legal concept of the “fertile octogenarian” in the context of descent and distribution that dates back to Blackstone.

  386. “I said no such thing. In fact, dimwit, I said the exact opposite. My position on gay marriage hasn’t changed since I started coming here. Rutherford’s malnourished brain has steadily declined to the point of not keeping his caricatures of the visitors here straight though. And you’ve benefited hugely by that.”

    Yep.

  387. Well Raji, you’ve reminded me of the “solution” that I’ve proposed before. EVERYONE gay and straight should be in civil unions and “marriage” should be left to religion.

    That pretty much resolves the problem.

  388. R, I also thought the demeanor of the dad was unusual to say the least. One needs to feel sorry for the daughter if that is an example of his ability to be a father.

    Definitely an eye of the beholder thing. Glad to see I wasn’t the only one who found him strange.

  389. Lurker, I will make it as personal or impersonal as you want. I have been in a bad mood since seeing that three year old boy lying face down on a beach after he drowned.

    The president you elected and your secretary of state are partly responsible. By extension, so are you. If we fight WW111, you will also share the blame.

    You don’t know how much of a perfect storm I can be. I may have delusions of grandeur while you have delusions of adequacy.

  390. People of faith have the right to their faith and to be safe from persecution for it.

    Did I ever say otherwise? Other than the manner in which they’re treated in the liberal media, you haven’t demonstrated persecution. In fact, your bar mate Rabbit accidentally asserted just the opposite. From taxation to military service we bend over backwards to cater to the religious and their institutions.

  391. Ah yes. The position that can’t reconciled with your name-calling and bigotry. So snti-gay isn’t anti-gay — whatever the fuck that means to your bigoted, MSNBC-addled brain.

    You’re just about the only one I know who keeps insulting after I cede the point to you. 😏

  392. “You’re just about the only one I know who keeps insulting after I cede the point to you.”

    The point you cede is obvious from a helicopter. In fact, it’s all been said before by me and others.

    The point you won’t cede relates to Alfie’s comment about what a dangerous person you are. That part you clearly don’t and probably won’t get.

  393. Like it or not people of faith specifically the Abrahammics are going to use all the same bullshit ploys that the gays,blacks,illegals and every other protected class anti American piece of shit has embraced and deliver a national comeuppance.
    I don’t welcome it. I don’t think it a good thing. But the goose and gander principle always finds it way into policy.

    So Alfie now I’m really confused. You say the religious are persecuted yet you seem to say hollering about this supposed persecution is a “ploy”. Are they legitimately persecuted or not?

  394. The point you won’t cede relates to Alfie’s comment about what a dangerous person you are.

    I’m as dangerous as Tex Taylor – not very.

    Seriously I must have missed it because I have not seen Alfie nor you backup this assertion of persecution.

    Would everyone be a bit calmer if Davis had been fined and not imprisoned? Likely. But as I heard someone say, there was every indication she (or the political group using her as a prop) would have paid the fine and kept defying the law.

    I’m guessing because she is elected even the Governor of Kentucky can’t fire her. The best outcome would have been firing her, not jailing her but that wasn’t an option.

  395. The point you cede is obvious from a helicopter.

    They must teach arrogance in law school. Millions of people have my reaction regarding anti-SSM and anti-gay. The difference is I CAN see the distinction in the way you set it out.

  396. For those dismissing the Condell video simply because Parker posted it, give it a listen. A bit long winded and Bill-Whittle-esque it should still resonate with most of you. Then again, it might trigger you and you’ll have to run to your nearest safe zone.

  397. “They must teach arrogance in law school. Millions of people have my reaction regarding anti-SSM and anti-gay. The difference is I CAN see the distinction in the way you set it out.”

    Let’s look back at how this started on this thread after all I’ve written on the subject from my personal experience as a lawyer which I have chronicled:

    “Tigre you’re the bigot. Is this the equation that resonates with you?

    Gay people = male on male sodomy + female on female whatever

    You see, where I come from, being gay isn’t just about the sex. It’s also about love and TRADITIONALLY folks in love want to get married.

    So yes, being against gay marriage IS anti-gay.”

    I’m so glad you believe in your own compassion and virtue. Too bad it rests on intolerance and spite.

    I’ll let Alfie speak for himself.

  398. LOL Just finished watching my dear Sarah.

    1) We should “speak American”.
    2) She took French and Spanish and gets them confused. Como esta Madame Palin. 😂😂😂😂
    3) Breitbart loved the interview so much they allowed their clip to cut off prematurely. Dag! I so wanted to know what other profound nuggets Sarah had to say.

  399. Biden and Obama can;t even speak English.

    Biden thinks what the middle class really needs is a three letter word: “j-o-b-s.”

    Obama, the nice clean, articulate black, is very proud of our navy “corpse – men.”

  400. Obama’s teleprompter broke and switched his and the Irish president’s speeches. Obama thanked himself for coming.

    Biden honored a Missouri politician with a speech at his celebration. He asked him to stand up and be recognized, but suddenly realized the man was in a wheel chair.

  401. So now you reveal your bigotry toward people from Minnesota. Is it limited to folks in that state or also its neighbors?

    If you mock Wasila are you content to look don on that one town, or do you also harbor bigotry toward rural America?

    We are going to watch you more closely.

  402. Rutherford you’re driving me crazy!
    People of faith are persecuted in the sense that they are asked,told etc. to refrain from expressing their faith in the public sphere. I just don’t get your obstinacy. To say this person votes,does x,or y is somehow representative that there is NOT a level of persecution of peoples faith is juvenile.
    So YES people of faith WILL start to play the “Well I’m black Jewish so you’ll give me that” and “I’m Pacific Islander non caucassian baptist so you will allow me the following”…. and places like Harvard will accelerate their “I’m gender fluid and want to swim on Tuesdays between 5-6” even as the legal,endowment and diversity departments scream “But that’s when the Muslim females in bhurkinis have exclusive pool use”!!!!
    Seriously dude what part of my albeit Alfieease are you not getting?

  403. Your bigotry and intolerance – exemplified once again by your reaction to Davis’ civil disobedience – cannot be changed, nor defended, nor deflected by pretending to be insane.

  404. To appease the blonde blog nod-zzzzzs, I’ll qualify my “minored” in hope of setting aside the accusation of being a bit deceiving:

    4 years of college – 16 credit hours short of a BFA.

    So, as an amateur photographer with some film and print processing experience, Alfie’s claim of image revival intrigued me. Rather than call him a liar, I asked him for clarification.

    Here are his words:

    “Rutherford I have taken a ton of pictures both film and digital. I have had my share of exposure oops and that’s no lie. I took a couple of pictures once on an outing on George’s Island. In the ruins as it were of the fort there I relied entirely on the camera to capture the two images. Lighting issues a bound in both. I get home and the captured images were blackouts. I throw them on photoshop and filter them/compensate them and poof there the real and true image lay.” – Alfie, September 5, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Feel free to jump in, anyone who might have more knowledge on the subject, lettered or not.

    Is that a fair request in this forum? 😐

  405. People of faith are persecuted in the sense that they are asked,told etc. to refrain from expressing their faith in the public sphere.

    I’m really torn on that assertion. I think it’s too blanket. People of faith express their faith in all sorts of ways and some go down easier than others. I submit that folks are discouraged to express faith when it flies in the face of evolving mores. But we are living in a time when all opinions are subject to great scrutiny. That’s what this whole silly “trigger words” thing is about.

    Pope Francis has demonstrated how profession of faith can be VERY welcome.

    It’s not “faith” per se that is the problem. It’s really ideology. When expression of faith is interpreted by a large segment as intolerant, outdated, etc, then yes indeed it is discouraged.

    This brings us to the assertion that free expression means all ideas get a place at the table. For the most part, I agree with that.

  406. When expression of faith is interpreted by a large segment as intolerant, outdated, etc, then yes indeed it is discouraged.
    I disagree with the part I added emphasis to. It is almost always a small segment that gets its back up and somehow prevails.

  407. I thought it self explanatory. It was digital SLR using full auto settings. The resulting image was a near total blackout,only the light at the end of the tunnel was visible. I don’t recall if I used PS or just iPhoto but I hit the auto fix and various auto adjust settings and all of a sudden there was exactly WYSIWYG. You could see the tunnel and everything. So my point was that even though the settings of the camera showed an image that was blacked out essentially the camera did in fact capture exactly what was there.
    I didn’t draw the tunnel,clone it etc. It was there. That’s why I said reveal not create.

  408. It is almost always a small segment that gets its back up and somehow prevails.

    Usually it’s the loudest segment, regardless of size. The media greatly influences who has the loudest voice, or rather, which voice we hear the most.

  409. http://www.occupydemocrats.com/watch-ignorant-palin-says-immigrants-should-learn-to-speak-american-or-get-out/

    “happened to see this interview on TV when it was aired and something this clip doesn’t show is that she was also asked what position she would like to have in a Trump administration, and she said she’d like to be the head of the Dept. of Energy — because she knows energy so well. She also vowed she would dismantle and terminate the entire department too.”

    Putting herself out of office????

  410. I think this was a big mistake on Biden’s part. Points for emotional honesty, maybe. But this fills me with doubt that even when he announces, his heart won’t be in it. He says too much here.

  411. Madonna’s brother is openly gay. He supports Davis. He also said too many gays are not content to win a victory. They have a vendeta against people who’s beliefs are different from theirs.

    “When expression of faith is interpreted by a large segment as outdated, intolerant, then yes indeed it is discouraged.” Trigger words are a weapon of repression.

    You have described the evolution of bigotry and have reached to core of some recent discussion. Mores have as much power as laws. Who judges when a belief becomes obsolete? The Wiccans and Amish are rather strange. Lets go after them next.

  412. Who judges when a belief becomes obsolete?

    Tigre can make fun of late night college rap sessions all he wants but James, you’ve asked a loooong rap session worthy question. There is no easy answer.

  413. I make fun of “your” rap sessions, not rap sessions in general. I seriously doubt your late night rap sessions were any more stimulating than my kids’ sleep overs.

  414. Yes, the loudest segment often gets enough attention from the media that it prevails.

    Sarah Palin is not the only person to offer to work herself out of a job. She represents people who think government work should not be a life-long career. I don’t remember his name, but a would be Secretary of Education wanted to destroy the Department of Education.

  415. “Now JAL, don’t you know that since Obama and Biden make gaffes, that makes Sarah a genius??”

    No, it makes them just a stupid.

    Oh, I forgot, you still think Obama and Biden are real brainiacs. 🙄

  416. I am not a photographer, but I take pictures and videos. I chase storms. Some lightning I captured had double images, and a couple had six or eight foot streaks of electricity a few feet from me. I assumed it was a trick of light interacting with the lense. I showed the pictures to Dr. Elwyn Taylor ISU extension climatologist.

    His eyes got noticeably bigger as he said what I captured was real.

  417. As we know, a storm sends a river of feeder electrons up or down and prepares the track for the main burst. I caught a feeder stream with the main flash traveling down it. I am proud of that picture.

    Bernie Sanders, the other Trump now leads Hillary in one poll.

  418. I thought it self explanatory. It was digital SLR using full auto settings.

    Okay, thanks. No, I thought this was a film oops. Yes, digital generally will always capture an image. I love my digital SLR.

  419. To be completely honest…me in a darkroom equaled someone very much in the dark. It always was something I wanted to get into but I never had the space to make my own,or the patience& $$ really to do it right anyway. I had a friend who would spend hours and $$$$$ doing the whole gel and colorizing thing and basic developing. I think he cried for a week when digital went mainstream. On the flip side I imagine it takes $20 to get someone to process film now a days

  420. When I’m in a good mood, I enjoy watching you spew your hypocritical bullshit. That’s why I keep the bar open so you can come here and entertain me.

    Lol. Isn’t it great? It does entertain. The key then is to stay in that good mood. Mood is choice. 🙂

  421. The darkroom part was not my favorite aspect of photography. I much prefer the outdoors. We had to share the room with a lot of other students, so night was the best time to get work done. I pulled many an all-nighter in that darkroom located in the basement of the art building. Often working on projects that were due for a class the next day.

    The time and effort of creating prints then compared to this digital format is just crazy. Once I went digital, I never went back. I did the same with my drafting when I learned CAD.

  422. This is pure calculated politics R. He has set up his graceful out at the same time he has established the “patriotic” call to duty schtick. He also was talking to a room that has some purses. All in all he painted himself the valiant not the weak.

  423. I took medical x rays for a time in the Air Force. We juiced up the developer to speed the processing, when doctors needed something “now.” but I think the x ray pictures didn’t last very long afterward. There was little skill except for mass production.

  424. Truth be told my heart should go out to Davis. She’s a pawn. Huckabee will try to score points off her misfortune later this week. Once she serves her purpose, she’ll be forgotten.

  425. Ah shit…another thing we have in common.
    I fell in love with drafting in high school,a high school that essentially offered t squares and triangles. It even had us make blue prints even though all the tech was coming on line and that stuff was just awesome. Didn’t stick with it. I liked the skills but ironically found the myriad of employment fields uninteresting.

  426. I don’t know if I watched the same interview but I do know about how different folks deal with death. The dad seemed to have some emotion going and he seems like someone who can compartmentalize heavy stuff. He wants to be her dad still,protect her. All that is left for him is protecting her memory. Sadly for him most have all ready moved on from caring about his daughter,by Christmas nobody but the inner circle will.

    The dad is just so fake and the ‘boyfriend’ is gay as can be. There are a lot more things that have been discovered like the boyfriend’s boyfriend and the real boyfriend, who I now suspect as the trigger man in the video. That is my opinion, I don’t think anyone has gone there yet, but I haven’t checked yet. A lot of times these gut things get confirmed for me.

    But we are moving on to other things, as you note. All that is left are the millions of donations flowing in that will wane and the anti-gun legislation tour that is still ramping up This one is a NATO push, so not just the domestic satanics on parade. The world is gonna shame us into giving up our guns.

  427. I’ll forgive you this time, Lurker. Senior moments can be a pain. Its Palin, Sarah Palin.

    I’d like to see Sanders and Trump run against each other in my darker moments. Enough people are made enough to by pass the old power structure.

  428. I already noted that the father is a pawn and so is Davis. i respect her for standing for her beliefs. Cyndy Shehan is another who thought her supporters cared more for her than they would a hammer to be discarded after it was no longer needed.

  429. Poolman I hate to sound like Tex and Rabbit but there will be civil war here before folks give up their guns. It ain’t gonna happen. 20 dead kids later, it ain’t gonna happen – not to mention all the kids killed every weekend in urban America.

  430. “the bar is all about love and bringing people together.” That did it. Here is Linkin Park in Red Square. It fits what is happening in much of the world and in your blog., Though we are marginal enemies of Russia, the crowd knew the words to the song. I suggest a battle of the bands to settle our disputes.

  431. It’s not “faith” per se that is the problem. It’s really ideology. When expression of faith is interpreted by a large segment as intolerant, outdated, etc, then yes indeed it is discouraged.

    The expressions are often traditions and rituals resulting from gruppendenken.

    The basic tenet of Jesus:

    Love the Creator with all your heart and soul and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself.

    Do these two things and everything else is covered.

    The Word also advocates the golden rule here, but puts the Author of Life, The Ancient of Days first. And why shouldn’t that be? We are only here because of Him. Now show love to everyone else without exception. But today’s world has no understanding of love. Love isn’t what hollywood has told us it is. The Word says love is laying down one’s life for one’s fellow man. That isn’t the same as fighting and dying for corporations or empire.

  432. I liked the skills but ironically found the myriad of employment fields uninteresting.

    That is one of the reasons I didn’t complete my degree. It was advertising and I was developing a sour taste for all of it then.

  433. Poolman I hate to sound like Tex and Rabbit but there will be civil war here before folks give up their guns. It ain’t gonna happen.

    Well the psychological disarming has already in full swing. Everybody says we have to do something. That do something means take away guns or place state armed gunman in every place the public is. They make it sound like laws will fix it, but that isn’t what they’re after. I suppose they can chip us, those that haven’t been, or force an id imbed. Either way it’s an erosion of liberty.

    Freedom is relative. I have free arm and leg movement. Today I can post an opinion.

    These hyped-for-broadcast events are accumulative in the weighing of forced gun confiscation. Laws are already on the books. Laws are only good if adhered to. With such lawless leaders like we have, we are fools to think they can do anything to save us from criminals intent on harming us. They support criminals they call colleagues. They have all proved to be self-serving and liars. The fraud has been revealed making it all a farce. Better take back some responsibility while you still can.

  434. The Word says love is laying down one’s life for one’s fellow man. That isn’t the same as fighting and dying for corporations or empire.

    Yet very often soldiers do end up dying for each other I imagine.

  435. If the camera questions were for me, than I’ll answer, but you’re getting too technical for me. 🙂 My computer knowledge is self taught at a need-to-know and only over the past 20 years. My college training predated the digital.

    My Nikon came with software that I use sometimes. Mostly I just dump them off the memory disk onto the hard drive using windows explorer. I haven’t downloaded any sophisticated software to make any serious adjustments. I have a few that allow fairly basic editing.

    I don’t do photography as a profession nor do I print many prints for framing. My use is more for documenting my work and life.

  436. Yet very often soldiers do end up dying for each other I imagine.

    True, but look at it from a helicopter view. What are they doing in harm’s way to begin with?

  437. Yes, soldiers do die for each other. One reaches a state of mind where fear is locked away and numbness rules.

    That state of consciousness is not restricted to combat. I am watching a NASCAR race and am seeing a variation of such concentration now.

    Their superiors put them in harms way to fulfill the mission.

  438. The Europe “migrant” crisis is a lie and marks the beginning of the end for Europe. If you have a European country you want to visit you better do it soon.

  439. I agree with Alfie.

    I also found another writer who placed much of the blame on Obama and Hillary. European hypocracy, surface political correctness, and inability to understand reality have endangered their identity and culture.

    Some countries will last longer than others.

    ISIS is becoming a functioning country, and it will use the migrants to further subvert Europe and also America.

    I used to live there, as you know, and my wife and I went native. The Big Fat Anniversary Quiz 2015 (New) on YouTube is one of the things we will lose.

  440. James @ 9/6 6:07
    Isn’t that the nature of the beast, James? LGBT/BLM/KKK – doesn’t matter what letters you put together there will always be in any group those who have a vendetta.

  441. That cartoon is right while it is wrong. The little boy and thousands of others who died on their trek to Europe are also victims of terrorism. Had they lived peacefully, they would not have left home in such numbers.

    The Hungarians say many of the migrants were not direct victims of violence but were opportunists using terrorism as an excuse to find a better life. Many of our ancestors lived the same motivation when they moved here.

    Most appear to be good people, just like us, but they must be stopped or they will sink the ship.

  442. The little boy and thousands of others who died on their trek to Europe are also victims of terrorism.

    I read the boy’s parents are Kurds that have been living for 3 years in Turkey while awaiting a regime change in Syria.

    The Kurdi family are Kurdish. That’s the first thing you have to know about this “tragedy” and though they are called Syrian refugees from the “Syrian civil war”, they really aren’t. They’ve been living in Turkey for 3 years in an apartment they pay rent for … and what’s happening in Syria is not a ‘civil war’

    A Kurdi family member in Canada says that the family’s application for refugee status was rejected recently by the Canadian government because they did not fit the requirements as “refugees” That’s because they weren’t. They had been living well in Turkey over the past couple years as their Kurdish brothers did their level best to destabilize part of Syria in pursuit of Greater Kurdistan.

  443. The Kurds have wanted their own country for some time. Iran, Iraq, and Turkey feel threatened by their nationalistic movement. I also think their establishing their own nation might not be a bad thing. They have also some success at fighting ISIS and have also been one of Iraq’s ‘success” stories. I read charges that the Turks secretly helped ISIS out of fear of the Kurds.

    Syrians have had the press, but Afghans and other people are moving too

    . You are wrong, Poolman.

    That Kurdish family is still a victim of terrorism. Why did they move to Turkey? Did they worry about their futures because of bad news or trends in Turkish society? Why did they suddenly decide to travel to Europe in a leaky boat instead of buying air line tickets?
    Why are the numerous refugees in countries like Jordan and Lebanon suddenly feeling the need to leave?

    I already wrote an unknown number of people are migrating for economic reasons. Until you show me evidence to the contrary I submit to you that the Kurdish family and others would have stayed home if the Middle East hadn’t degenerated into terrorism and their economies not suffered..

  444. :Mathew Continetti: ‘Objectively, however, the result of Obama’s foreign policy is to empower our adversaries. This has been in its conduct, and consequence an anti-American White House.” He says the president is not necessarily anti-,American in ideology or intent, but that Obama’s policies strenghthen our enemies.

    Bernie Sanders’ giving Hillary trouble is poetic justice.