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BLM in the Hood

BLM in the hood, yo! Folks be gettin’ in the faces of gang bangers saying “stop the violence!”

Naaaah, I’m just kidding. The BLM (Black Lives Matter) movement doesn’t address blacks killing blacks: the leading cause of violent black death in the country. BLM doesn’t address ghetto crime which puts black bodies in the path of police bullets. BLM doesn’t address the connection between the black incarceration-new-Jim-Crow phenomenon and why blacks get in prison in the first place.

BLM is all about evil white supremacy and nothing about black self improvement. Most sane mothers tell their kids “you can’t control other people. All you can control is yourself.” BLM wants a change in others behavior but never talks about change in poor black neighborhoods.

On Larry Wilmore’s “Nightly Show” two out of three panelists were enthralled by BLM, one even claiming the leaders of BLM deserved a Nobel Peace Prize. One poor lone brother said “why don’t we clean up our own house first?” Of course he got booed.

The next time BLM disrupts a progressive candidate’s event, I hope the candidate pulls a Chris Christie and says “until you hold your own accountable, sit down and shut up.”

Now that we’ve lost Bill Cosby as a credible spokesperson, we need someone new to tell black cats to stop killing other black cats and then maybe the “white problem” will get a bit better.


What do you think? The bar is open.

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983 thoughts on “BLM in the Hood

  1. “Why do you want to visit Fargo? Why don’t you go to St. Louis? It was for the same reason we didn’t visit Ireland when we lived in England. Too much hostility. We might end up seeing the wrong people.

    After we returned from Fargo yesterday, I thought compared to some places it was like breathing fresh air.

    Then, we watched the Omaha news. Two teenagers walked into a Catholic church and stole a 76 year old woman’s purse. One slugged her and she bumped her head as she fell. She wasn’t even a member of the church. She was a visitor from Iowa.

    My first impression was that the two thugs were black and I berated myself for jumping to conclusions.
    We saw the survailance videos on the news. Both young men were black.

    We know they don’t define a people, but something is wrong with some of them. Until people recognize the problem and work as a society to change the culture, little will change.

  2. Poolman, over three inches of rain fell on us while we were gone. Parts of Omaha had over eight inches of rain, and some of northwest Iowa got more than ten inches. The deep low which helped cause the rain is now giving us clouds and 40 MPH wind gusts with the temperature near 50. People are talking September.

  3. R, you have been downright prolific lately. Wife get you some new supplements? 🙂

    Sad that the “lone brother” got booed, but that took courage and that is the voice we must support. All lives matter.

  4. Unfortunately, inciting a mob isn’t as easy as turning on and off a bathroom sink.

    I, for one, love BLM.

    These liberals don’t blink an eye when these black hate groups motivate a voting block or literally burn one down, for that matter.

    But oh the horror when they interupt some old crusty socialist’s little speech.

    I’ve grown up with the real consequences of the hate whitey movement my whole life. Colman Young. Kwame. Detroit City Council. Fire and Violence. Theft.

    But Woody Allen’s pop socialism got interrupted?

    My fist is in the air
    Black Lives Matter!

  5. Drudge links to a story about
    Shaun King one of the organizers of Black Lives Matter. He pretended to be biracial to get an Oprah Scholarship from the noted bigot.

    He may be all white. Shades of Elizabeth Warren and Rachel Dolezal.

    It is funny when people take advantage of racists and hoist them by their own petards. Petards rhymes with retards. Racism so blinds them they become stupid.

  6. Anybody that didn’t see HRC’s routine yesterday ain’t living. Un-be-fucking-leivable.

    $50 says she’s out before her scheduled testimony before the Benghazi committee. Any takers?

    I will also place bets that if anything is learned about why she did this, it was to conceal the Clinton Foundation quid pro quos.

    Pass the popcorn.

  7. #BLACKLIESMATTER! My best black power fist stands with The Rabbit!

    These white pandering demagogues helped to empower these thugs, now they can live with the consequences.

    Can you imagine apologizing for having the ‘temerity’ to say, “All Lives Matter!”? What disingenuous, gutless clowns these white lefty pols have become.

    It’s really hard for me to believe that these wagging mouths could honestly think this is helping Black America. It feeds right into what millions of whites have thought since the late 60s but until only recently, just whispered about. That is, there isn’t a more racist, hateful, lazy, selfish, dishonest, shiftless, predatory demographic than black America. This is exactly why blacks are always suspect and profiled. It’s not fair that Rutherford is included in with these fascists – but it is human nature.

    BLM’s demands are increasing the disdain of Black America exponentially by everyone else, including Asians and Latinos.

  8. James, 64 here and raining. 97 day before yesterday. Love it.

    I just saw that Shaun King article. ** GUFFAW ** Another White Mental scooping Oprah. Doesn’t get any more satisfying than that.

  9. This BLM shit is the end result of what I was scolding Rutherford about with all of the accusations of “racist” from the idiot left. Someday I hope Rutherford and the others that play along realize how much their co-opting and exploitation has damaged the black community. It’s sad and there’s no good outcome. The bucket of fucks is empty.

  10. So we have white actors playing black characters, with all of the bad stereotypes, to a tee. IIRC, that used to be called a minstrel show. ~ Comment at Glenn Reynolds. 🙂

    :

  11. Looking at Clinton, I swear he looks like death. Man, has he aged poorly. There’s a good chance we could lose two Presidents within the next few months – Carter and Bush Sr. I’d put Clinton not too far behind them. 😦

  12. Bill doesn’t look good. Hillary is also aging noticeably. I hope they go to jail. Hillary might be at risk.

    A Planned Parenthood whistle blower said she watched techs cut the face off a baby boy who’s heart was still beating at times to get at the brain.

    Planned Parenthood is working hard to solve the black problem. Why else do they have so many offices in black neighborhoods?

  13. “The next time BLM disrupts a progressive candidate’s event, I hope the candidate pulls a Chris Christie and says ‘until you hold your own accountable, sit down and shut up.’ “

    Nice. I suggest something a little more challenging though. How about the candidate throwing a couple of statistics out there because you know this is going to get coverage, followed by “Talk to me when you’re ready to have that discussion.”

    I don’t know how much I want to defend Bill Cosby because I don’t know any of the facts and what little I’ve heard sounds like a dumb hill to die on. But where are all the celebs who defended a mid-forties Roman Polanski for drugging and sodomizing an unconscious 13 year old right around the time Cosby was allegedly drugging wannabe starlets?

  14. From the last thread –

    “Poolman, pernicious conspiracy theorists such as yourself suffer from personality disorders. You should read up on it. My challenge was to meet your inability to draw conclusions without ignoring all corroborating evidence and favoring anything deemed inexplicable by unreliable/incomplete/ignorant sources. In other words, it’s fucked up logic for your starting point to be the assumption that a broadly viewed event was staged and the belief the burden of proving otherwise rests on the ones that accept it.

    Rational thought is the exact opposite. And you have no rational thought. It ls why you believe a mechanical insect was spying on your wife doing yard work.

    You should read up on your own dysfunction. Perhaps there’ll be an epiphany.”

    First rate response, Tigre.

  15. $50 says she’s out before her scheduled testimony before the Benghazi committee. Any takers?

    Now you’ve lost me. I thought just yesterday you thought she’d get away scot free?

  16. Planned Parenthood is working hard to solve the black problem. Why else do they have so many offices in black neighborhoods?

    I believe Ben Carson has suggested this same thing. The Sanger connection doesn’t help matters.

  17. Interesting point Muffy on Cosby v Polanski. My initial reaction was perhaps Polanski garnered sympathy due to the Manson slaying of his wife. BUT then I remembered Cosby lost his son tragically.

    It may come down to changing times. “Rape” in all its forms is getting a renaissance of outrage that I think could account for Cosby not getting as much support as Polanski.

  18. R, this was what was said:

    “My question is how can you give this excellent blow by blow based on your experience of how law firms work, and in the next breath say this will not blow up in her face?”

    Dems tolerate criminality from their own
    Obama might be invested in an “inconclusive” investigation
    you’ve got no back ups
    the FBI is no more independent than any other federal bureau

    I’d say it has blown up. But I am not convinced she will be treated to the indictment she deserves.”

    Do you want to take the bet?

  19. @Poolman from last thread: I never said I was a “prosecutor.”

    Your response is predictable and, of course, more than seeks to avoid the point — it unwittingly makes the point.

    Read up. The dumb snippets and photos you post don’t prove shit other than you’re gullible and deluded. Since you feel so strongly about these conspiracies, why don’t you do some real homework rather than accepting others’ easily disproved bullshit?

    Hell the stuff that’s manufactured is what you post. Looks like Alfie spent 15-20 minutes refuting claims you never bothered to investigate in the face of your countless hours reading and accepting the easily disproved. How lame of you.

  20. R – Planned Parenthood is working hard to solve the black problem. Why else do they have so many offices in black neighborhoods?

    I believe Ben Carson has suggested this same thing. The Sanger connection doesn’t help matters.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/08/18/carsons-claim-that-planned-parenthood-targets-blacks-to-control-that-population/

    “A 2011 report by Life Dynamics, which opposes abortion, used Census data to determine the African-American and Hispanic population of each zipcode where Planned Parenthood has an office. The report was intended to show that the abortion clinics are placed mostly in areas where black residents exceed the average black population of the state.
    But when you look closely at the data, it turns out that there are only about 110 locations (out of about 800) where the black population exceeds 25 percent of the overall population. That certainly does not support the claim that “most” clinics are in “black neighborhoods.”

    “Separately, in 2011, the Guttmacher Institute surveyed all abortion providers (about 1,700), including Planned Parenthood, and found that 60 percent are in majority-white neighborhoods — and that fewer than one in ten abortion providers are located in neighborhoods where more than half of the residents are black. The statistics did not change when the numbers were adjusted for nearly 600 providers that conduct more than 400 abortions a year.

    Still, there is clear evidence that blacks are more likely to get an abortion than whites. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that the abortion rate for black women is almost four times higher than for white. The reasons for this disparity are not well understood, though some researchers cite economic issues; the location of abortion clinics does not appear to be a factor.”

  21. “Black Lives Matter” should have been named “Black Lives Matter too”. I believe that was what they were saying.

  22. http://reverbpress.com/sexes/women/life-begins-conception-arent-anti-choice-republicans-attacking-fertility-clinics/

    “Let’s also say that the parents are staunchly conservative Christians and consider themselves part of the anti-choice crusade. They believe that their interpretation of the Bible states in no uncertain terms that life begins at conception. That abortion under any circumstance, even rape, incest, the health of the mother or child, is murder. They’ve also recently begun to have doubts about the morality of birth control.

    Here is conundrum in this scenario: How does the couple, given everything they went through to achieve their miracle child from God, rationalize, in essence, the putting to death of all those embryos that did not “take” – the ones that were willingly placed into the “hostile environment”? How about the ones that remain in the suspended animation liquid nitrogen? How can these seemingly loving and rational people judge and claim to know the mind of God when it comes to human life and the choices involved in each individual situation? How can they be so hypocritical as to accuse a woman (or child) who seeks an abortion (which is a legal medical procedure, by the way) of being a murderer, when they, for all intents and purposes, have murdered many, time after time? Why is their predicament any different from that of anyone else making a choice about their reproductive rights? One argument is intent – they really wanted a baby and God provided them with a doctors, means, and a method to obtain one. They chose not to adopt. They chose not to use a surrogate. They gladly took the opportunity to make their own reproductive choice. After all, according to Genesis and the Garden of Eden parable, God is the very author of choice, right?

    According to the results of recent polling, the majority of the U.S. population supports a woman’s right to choose. That majority also realizes that choice doesn’t necessarily result in abortion. I have never heard of anyone who didn’t struggle with the decision. The majority also realize that fertility treatments are a choice. If you take away reproductive freedom of terminating a pregnancy, the opportunity to demonize the fertility treatments and other methods of parenthood isn’t far behind. Make no mistake, the war on women is real Extremists, desperate, pandering politicians, and Dominionist politicians want nothing more to be in control of every American girl and woman’s body. Listen to Mike Huckabee, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and their positions on the subject. Even republicans who were once considered moderate have taken a huge jump to the right when it comes to choice. It has become their favorite distraction, their pet wedge issue. They trot it out every election cycle when they have no platform of substance on which to base their own campaigns. So predictable, so stale, yet so dangerous and threatening. If you are fortunate enough to get the opportunity, as these men about their stance on IVF or providing viable options to abortion.”

  23. “It may come down to changing times. “Rape” in all its forms is getting a renaissance of outrage that I think could account for Cosby not getting as much support as Polanski.”

    Oh yeah. Them old days as a kid. You know, Dad would make you mow the lawn, the teacher would call and you were in deep trouble…..and liberal movie directors would anal rape you.

  24. “How about the ones that remain in the suspended animation liquid nitrogen?”

    My wife’s friend is in a state of terrible depression over that.

    Pretty deep. It’s a medical procedure. So is a modern execution.

  25. “Black Lives Matter” should have been named “Black Lives Matter too”. I believe that was what they were saying.

    Then you’re forced to explain why Martin O’Malley was booed and ultimately forced to apologize for saying “All lives matter” if all lives matter to these obvious black racists. Clearly, either you are deluded or an apologist for black hatred.

  26. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that the abortion rate for black women is almost four times higher than for white. The reasons for this disparity are not well understood

    Oh, I think it is clearly understood for anyone seeking a semblance of honesty. Since the CDC is too gutless to declare the obvious, let me do it for them:

    Sheer ignorance and the fact life is cheap in too much of the black community. Every statistic from out of wedlock birth, to behavioral patterns, to violent crime would signify as much. That used to be called immorality before we entered the “enlightened” age of Clinton and Obama.

    The fact that Bill Cosby has proven to be a scumbag does not detract from the correctness of his message.

    Rutherford and blacks like him are not representative of the greater black community at large.

  27. Protecting Black Life says the 2010 census shows that Planed Parenthood has 79% of its abortion clinics within walking distance of black and Hispanic neighborhoods They also have a map showing black, white or Hispanic only and mixed. Clicking on the map shows each facility’s proportion of abortions.

  28. “Then you’re forced to explain why Martin O’Malley was booed and ultimately forced to apologize for saying “All lives matter” if all lives matter to these obvious black racists.” tt

    Of course all lives matter but from the black perspective it is hard to confirm that their lives are as important as white lives lately.

    By MO saying “all lives matter” their point/lives had been minimized. In other words they were being told to STFU and know your place.

    Their point (black lives matter) was being hi-jacked/having ‘their thunder stolen’.

    If you can not understand their point you are clearly deluded and a racist.

  29. “In other words they were being told to STFU and know your place.”

    I’m a deluded racist then. That’s dumbest shit I have ever read. And Poolman frequents this blog. He thinks mechanical insects spy on his wife in the garden.

  30. Do you want to take the bet?

    So just so I fully get this, you’re saying she drops out of the race before the Benghazi hearings but she’ll never be indicted?

  31. “Black Lives Matter” should have been named “Black Lives Matter too”. I believe that was what they were saying.

    While I appreciate the thought, “All Lives Matter” encompasses “black lives matter too” and the BLM movement rejects that notion.

    Blm’s raisson d’être is to stop WHITE cops from killing black men. Even in the case of Eric Garner which OUTRAGED me, the dude was still committing a crime when he was accidentally killed.

    BLM needs to get blacks to stop committing more crime than whites. Period. Over-incarceration is primarily caused by over-delinquency. Behave like damn law abiding folks and you don’t go to jail. Period.

    BLM is an embarrassment. MLK is spinning so fast in his grave, smoke rises from the gravestone.

  32. “So just so I fully get this, you’re saying she drops out of the race before the Benghazi hearings but she’ll never be indicted?”

    Yes. That is my guess.

    She is scheduled to testify at the end of October, I believe.

  33. Oh yeah. Them old days as a kid. You know, Dad would make you mow the lawn, the teacher would call and you were in deep trouble…..and liberal movie directors would anal rape you.

    While I just love the sarcasm, let’s try again.

    We live in a time where a powerful man is less likely to get away with rape than some 40 years ago. The fact that Cosby’s antics date back 30 to 40 years lends to my point. The political climate now has made it ok for a BUNCH of women to come forward about Cosby. And for entertainers other than Whoopi to condemn him en masse.

  34. Muffy, you must watch the whole thing. It is just incredible.

    It’s cringe worthy … enough so that my wife is now backing away from Hillary.

    The deceit and deflection is stunning.

  35. “If it wasn’t an attempt at dismissive humor, she’s an idiot.”

    She was testing how the “I’m a ludite” defense would play.

  36. Look, here’s the deal. Lurker is right that BLM views “all lives matter” as a distraction from their message.

    The problem is their message is “WE ARE SPECIAL – OUR PROBLEMS ARE UNIQUE – AND ITS THE FAULT OF WHITE PEOPLE.”

    They conveniently ignore that in the majority of cases the men killed were CRIMINALS!!! Either outright felons (like Brown) or petty crooks like Garner.

    JAL I appreciate your empathy. I really do. But you’re not engaged in practical root cause analysis. It’s really not that hard to be law abiding. With the exception of traffic violations, I’ve been doing it all my life.

  37. And Rutherford is a deluded racist too.

    ‘Fraid so. I’m still waiting for the blowback on Facebook where I cross post my essays. I’m hoping I don’t get unfriended over it.

  38. “The question is if HRC does drop out, does it become a free for all – Biden, Warren, Gore, Oprah?”

    Only two on that list can win.

  39. I vote for free for all. Someone will win the right to make the post election concession speech unless Republicans muck it up or Trump dilutes the vote.
    One of those people could still move into the White House.

  40. So I’ve listened to a couple of nights of Larry Elder and I like his style and the way the show is produced.

    My only question is why must critics of Obama dislike him so? I get criticizing policy but why personality? Elder called him arrogant. But at least he took issue with a caller who called Obama an antisemite. Elder said the Iran deal suffers from naïveté and wishful thinking, not antisemitism.

  41. “Coming from someone who can’t separate the Israeli government from all of Judaism. For a smart guy you’re not very … smart.”

    Was that directed at Obama?

  42. Of course all lives matter but from the black perspective it is hard to confirm that their lives are as important as white lives lately.

    Yeah, I know. You young ‘African-Americans’ across every large prog city are so busy killing each other during the weekends, I’ve wondered that myself every Monday morning when you’re leaving dead seven year old black children in the street.

    By MO saying “all lives matter” their point/lives had been minimized. In other words they were being told to STFU and know your place.

    If black lives actually mattered to these disingenuous thugs, they would address the most visible tragedy of why 94% of black murders are committed by black murderers.

    The message shouldn’t be minimized. It should be summarily discarded as nothing but race hustling, bullying, attempted fascism, and transparent hatred towards whites. Frankly, I find it funny to watch these pandering, white Lefties being mauled by the Frankenstein they created by their shameless and lies.

    Their point (black lives matter) was being hi-jacked/having ‘their thunder stolen’. If you can not understand their point you are clearly deluded and a racist.

    Oh, I understand the point all too well. Threatening punks with inflated egos of no worth. I’m calling the #BlackLiesMatter a bunch loud-mouth thugs who should be tossed from the stage by hair into a wood chipper.

    To be called a racist by you? I’m honored. 😈

  43. Anybody that doesn’t understand Obama a lifetime Joooo hatin’ bastard, has to suspend disbelief the roots of Obama, from his filthy, commie mother, to his racist grandmother, to his daddy in abstentia, to his boyhood mentor, old Commie Frank.

    Obama’s spiritual mentor Reverend J is a self-pronounced, Jooo hating turd, as is the entire congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), which the grossly incompetent and epically failed Obama parked his hapless ass in next to the First Wookie, Shelly Antoinette. That’s Bud is for you, Lurker. 😉 Drink up, ugly.

    Jooo hatin’ is a sacrament of black liberation theology.

  44. “We live in a time where a powerful man is less likely to get away with rape than some 40 years ago”. 

    Too bad we weren’t talking about powerful men getting away with rape. We were talking about how people, liberals in particular, respond to said rape.

  45. Rutherford? I wasn’t just dissing Densi. I was also mocking your profane naivety about everything Obama.

    …But If felt the need to be even more grossly insulting than usual and directed that particular insult about Gorilla Ass for the Dense One’s benefit. That’s for calling me a racist. I wanted to give her reason to do so. 😈

  46. You know fellas (and gals) I wish I had been more politically aware 2001-2006 so I could hear all the supposed disrespect tossed at Bush. Cos I’m listening to Elder and some fool calls in and refers to “this guy”. Elder asks him who he is talking about and he says “Obama”.

    “This guy”??? WTF? It’s the goddam president of the United States of America. And this punk ass would piss his pants and ask for an autograph if he was in the same room with “this guy”.

    Big mouth asshole.

  47. Could be very interesting Thor and the common denominator would be citizens fed up with being lied to.

    I’m almost ashamed to say I’m enjoying Trump almost as much as Bernie.

  48. Planned parenthood accepts Medicaid, so their centers might be located in (and cater to) communities according to certain income demographics rather than race demographics.

  49. You didn’t have to be politically aware. You just had to be reasonably aware. They made a movie about murdering Bush, for crap’s sake.

  50. Your fan boy panties are in a tither over “that guy”?

    That guy looked in my face and lied to me several times. Not becuase he put country first and he had to.

    So that he can get a few bumps in the polls.

    He hasn’t served with honor in distinction, a phrase I remember quite well from this administration.

    He’s that guy.

    But don’t worry, if you like that guy, you can keep that guy, except it won’t be a guy, it will be a girl.

    Hillary Clinton will survive all of this. And will be the next President of the United States.

    Dems are diseased. And there are too many of them.

    It will be a good day if I get my balls busted for being wrong.

    But, “that” gal is the next President.

  51. Trump vs. Bernie, FP wonks would likely go bananas.

    Doesn’t the Iran deal have to be accepted by the entire security council? I know Russia has a history of anti-Semitism, but what about England and France and China?

    The disrespect was different for Bush. Where Obama’s dissing centers around him somehow not being a legitimate President or even American for that matter, Bush’s dissing had more to do with characterizing him as stupid. Of course, some hard cores still refer to 2000 as an appointment by the SCOTUS rather than an election by the people.

  52. “So Rabbit, you’re taking half of Tigre’s bet?”

    I’m taking it and raising. I”m saying she will win the election.

  53. We just lost three brave, unselfish souls in the East Cascades. A fourth is fighting for his life at Harborview Burn Center. Mandatory evacs for the towns of Winthrop and Twisp. The sun was blood red this afternoon. Ash is dropping on us from the Hunters fire 50 miles away. Over a million acres are actively burning across the West tonight. Against this backdrop, BLM is just a high-pitched whining noise. Again, this fucking summer can’t end soon enough.

  54. Hey Tigre,

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/20/deceptions-hillary-clinton.html

    Great write up. Notice the last sentence, a question.

    Most of America is ok with their betters being above the law. They either don’t give a shit out of ignorance or lazyness, or are so partisan it doesn’t matter.

    Clinton will come out with an epic campaign promise of a massive distribution of wealth, probably taking her latest comments about student loan debt to the next level.

    She will promise freebies. And she won’t be stopped.

  55. Thor, we lived through that 4-5 years ago all over this state during an extreme drought. About 25 miles west of here, thousands of acres went up like a tinder box one afternoon accompanied by about 30mph winds. I’m used to smelling grass fires in winter which happen frequently in OK, but this one was late summer and different.

    Like you said, a blood red sun, ash and the smell of burnt wood. The cars in the parking lot were covered with soot. This one went up so fast, people were driving for their lives. I can remember walking out and it looked like a massive sand storm approaching. Hopped the highway and burned some people to death trying to escape.

    And it was awful. Pretty terrifying to watch and it overwhelmed these small town volunteers within minutes. This is just a small sampling – you know these storm chasers. 🙂 Got to have something to fill the time in between spring tornadoes.

  56. Can someone explain to me why Obama allowed Clinton to operate the way she did. He obviously knew what was going on. Oh never mind. I know why.

  57. Yeah…she could win. For sure.

    Infotainment addicted mob will elect her.

    We will get a flaming gay President after that. Becuase he’s gay and all. And it’s historic.

    And slowly, as identy politics, entertainment and apathy finish off America with its death grip, Nero will be elected.

  58. DR, I agree. But this one has some complications, not the least of which is the pressure on the FBI and partisan, corrupt DOJ which guys like Rutherford not only condone but ordinarily cheer on. The climate has changed when it comes to indictments. The morons on fucking MSNBC this morning were opining (without resistance) what would’ve happened had a republican done what HRC did. Patreaus and the strings of others are recent enough, and Obama has no love for Hillary.

    The media doesn’t love HRC. In fact, it’s laughing and enjoying the sideshow too. The establishment is not surrounding her. I just don’t see her recovering from this one even with the usual dem strategy promising freebies for everyone to buy votes form the ignorant masses.

    With that said, you’re point is valid. Look what R just wrote: “It’s cringe worthy … enough so that my wife is now backing away from Hillary.” Got that? Just now backing away.

    May God have mercy on our souls.

  59. “The only thing more disgusting than Hillary are her sycophants. I swear I just want to punch Jennifer Palmieri right in the face.”

    Now you know how we feel about you Obama sycophants, Rutherford.

    Yeah, I’m talking to you RUTHERFORD. 😆

  60. Thor I think of you every time I see the headlines. Please, above all else, stay safe.

    I’m telling you folks, these wild fires tell me that the Earth will one day be inhospitable to the human race. One day, perhaps centuries hence, a higher form of being will look at barren Earth and lecture his students about how there once was life there.

    P.S. Do not mistake this for a climate change lecture. I think the Earth is going to hell slowly but surely and there’s not a damn thing arrogant man can do about it.

  61. Got to have something to fill the time in between spring tornadoes.

    Speaking of tornados I saw a picture of a tornado in the midst of a firestorm. It was like something from a sci-fi film.

  62. Can someone explain to me why Obama allowed Clinton to operate the way she did. He obviously knew what was going on. Oh never mind. I know why.

    Putting aside the cutesy rhetoric, as usual you give Obama more credit than he deserves.

    The better question is why her advisors and lawyers didn’t say “not just no but helllll no”. A boss needs people who will help them stay out of trouble. She clearly surrounds herself with yes-men.

    Obama doesn’t lecture department heads on how to do their business. You’re being silly to think otherwise.

    P.S. You want proof: Obamacare website trusted to Kathleen Sibelius and she screws it up.

  63. Tigre, regarding my wife, I think you underestimate the pull of having the first female president. I have zero problem understanding my wife’s conflict. But I’ve been lecturing her for the past six months. I’m happy HRC is so publicly imploding because it will relieve some marital tensions.

  64. Hey R? You pretty pumped about Obama pumping Biden for President? 🙂

    I’m like Tigre. I think Hillary’s days as candidate might be numbered. I’ve been saying that for a while now, mainly because Hillary is such a pathetic campaigner and though she’s got the Christian and white man hatin’ down necessary for Dims to win, the media doesn’t much care for Hillary. They won’t hide her corrupted, craven and grossly incompetent nature like they did Barry’s corrupted, incompetent, thug boy nature.

    Wait until they get Jolting Joe Biden on the campaign circuit. He’ll be good for at least one major gaffe a day. Remember, Joe was such an embarrassment the first several months of Blammo’s Presidency, even the Libbies were ashamed. They’ve hidden Joe for about six years now.

    Man R, your party is a party for losers. {snicker} I mean, damn. A lawless thief, a moron, a socialist, and a faux Indian. That’s your leaders. LOL

    I know you and Thor win with the millions of dregs, flunkies and hapless across this land, but your party is completely incapable of achieving even the most simple of tasks besides winning elections. You win with free stuff. It’s too enticing to the millions of stiffs.

  65. “Tigre, regarding my wife, I think you underestimate the pull of having the first female president.”

    I don’t underestimate it at all. She’s a Dem. Identify politics means more then putting country first. Standard.

  66. “Tigre, regarding my wife, I think you underestimate the pull of having the first female president.”

    If that’s all there is to it, you should have a Fiorina sign in your front yard.

    “Fraid DR has most of it right.

  67. “You don’t think the administration was aware that the Secretary of State was using an insecure server?”

    You’d think when they typed out the email address it might get noticed. You’d think that as they were purporting to comply with subpoenas and FOIA requests they’d have noticed too.

    Of course they fucking knew. Obama knew personally. Hillary is Obama’s Ashley Madison at this point. He might have learned until it was already a problem, but he knew a long, long time ago.

    I am convinced the whole thing was done for the Clinton Foundation quid pro quos that Obama feared (now referred to as “personal emails” by HRC). The scandals subsequently covered up (e.g. Benghazi) were just part of the collateral “benefit.”

  68. Smelling salts is right. Hillary Clinton strikes me as saintly next to that horse’s ass. I mute the Baracka but I can’t find the remote quick enough to hit ‘previous’ when that thing from the deep shows up on the screen.

    Sends tremors through my ‘nads.

    Of all the people in this world, Shelly Antoinette Obama is probably the one I disdain the most. I can’t even skillfully express the contempt I hold for that nag. I guarantee you if the weakling Barack in a moment of desperation had not married it, Antoinette would be one of those #BlackLiesMatter types you see up on the screen screaming at Bernie Sanders – only about 2’ feet taller than Bernie. 🙂

  69. I am convinced the whole thing was done for the Clinton Foundation quid pro quos that Obama feared (now referred to as “personal emails” by HRC). The scandals subsequently covered up (e.g. Benghazi) were just part of the collateral “benefit.

    Bingo.

    Obama = Hillary

    Hilarious how Rutherford compartmentalizes this. Still on da nutz.

  70. She’s a Dem. Identify politics means more then putting country first. Standard.

    If you don’t think moderate and even conservative women salivate at the idea of a woman president, you’re fooling yourself.

    There are a lot of women of conscience in this country across the political spectrum who are very disappointed right now.

    P.S. Identity politics works because identity comes first for most of us. Few are selfless patriots like you Tigre. 🙄

  71. “P.S. Identity politics works because identity comes first for most of us. Few are selfless patriots like you Tigre.”

    Please elaborate, Mr. Obama Sychophant. Seriously. With whom do I “identify?”

  72. If that’s all there is to it, you should have a Fiorina sign in your front yard.

    Until very recently if you wanted a female POTUS HRC was your best bet to get elected.

  73. Yeah, I’m dying to know. Who do I identify with?

    White guys? Lol

    Or maybe I have no niche idenity?

    Or maybe shit bags?

    Angry competitive softball players?

    Kid Rock?

    Oh I know, I desperately want a second generation Polish-Balitic guy like me.

  74. Rutherford, should America navigate the next 50 years with “idenity firsts” being the most important motivation for supporting a candidate.

    This stuff could go forever.

    Hispanic man
    Hispanic woman
    Gay man
    Gay woman.
    Gay black man
    Gay black woman
    Bi man
    Bi black man
    Trans man.
    Chinese man

    Honestly, this obsession of you and your friends is so pervasive, Tigre is correct. You can’t elect a white guy anymore.

    Fucking Twilight Zone with you people.

    I just read the leader of BLM might be a fake black dude.

  75. “Or is she “an affront to feminsim?” 

    Of course she is. You can’t be a real black person or woman if you aren’t progressive.

    “Progressive”. A word that means censorship and blatant racism. Funny using that word.

  76. Funny thing, as blacks are in a demonstrably worse position with Obama, this identity stuff for president only exists to evoke shallow emotion. It means nothing.

    You don’t see black leaders saying anything is possible in this country now. You here them saying nothing is possible.

    A pillar of fascism is an appeal to irratinal emotion.

  77. <

    blockquote>”Identity politics works because identity comes first for most of us. Few are selfless patriots like you Tigre.”

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    blockquote>

    I think that’s a blanket statement with more holes than fabric. It might be a liberal truth but I’m not sure it applies to conservatives.

    Carly Fiorina has a slightly higher favorability rating among Republican men than women. No one comes close to Hillary’s numbers with blacks and with women, but she is losing support among white Democratic women, while holding steady and very high among blacks.

    Ben Carson is the only R with a net positive favorability rating among blacks. He still only has 40% name recognition while Hillary has 88%. Carly has 25%.

  78. @JAL

    By MO saying “all lives matter” their point/lives had been minimized. In other words they were being told to STFU and know your place.

    Their point (black lives matter) was being hi-jacked/having ‘their thunder stolen’.

    I have to add my name to those that are in your eyes racist.The above can only be deemed rational thought after stretching its addends well out of context. For example a candidate trying to express empathy on a number of points who says all lives matter isn’t hiding Klan Klothes in his Kloset.

  79. Thank you R, we are safe. Three routes out and a river to float if need be. The key is to have a “fuel free” zone you can reasonably defend and know when to give up.

    Tex, impressive video. That guy was nuts. If that grove next to him had crowned and jumped to a grove behind him, you would have never seen that vid. The one thing it did not do justice to was the sound. It’s like an eerie locomotive bearing down on you, a ghost train, gobbling the air.

    R, Earth will survive the fires. It’s a natural cycle, nature’s recycling bin, only instead of getting a pick up every week, it’s about every hundred years. 🙂

  80. I am so glad, when falsely accused of supporting Hillary, instead of letting it slide, I openly rebutted all the attempts. Now, if Obama had to know about this, it’s only a matter of time before something on the server reveals that. For Hillary and Obama, this has to be like waiting in a dentist office for a root canal, you know it’s coming, you know it’s going to be painful, you just don’t know when your name will be called.

    If it’s Fiorina vs. Bernie, will identity politics be over, or will the roles have simply reversed?

    Another development to watch is whether or not the banksters continue to back Clinton and force a win or jump ship and invest on the other side. It might depend on how fast the R’s define their horse. If the shift starts to happen soon, it could actually make the next R debate critical in the winnowing process.

  81. Thor, your blood red sun description sounds like a version of Hell.

    Another version of Hell is a Hillary financial supporter’s state of mind. What to do? Events can change but today, no one knows what information is lurking behind the door. There are no real alternatives to Hillary as of today.,

    She could still win. How do we “Stop it now?” I have some ideas, but they are illegal and probably immoral., Someone else other than I will have to bell the cat.

    I agree with Rutherford, Obama may not know or understand what happened in the State Department, and the ObamaCare web site is just one example of his administration’s inability to communicate with itself. But what if the e mails lead to the White House?

    I am not a racist, but Black Lives Matter is, They don’t even care about most blacks who kill each other, Nor do they worry about white and other races killed by police. Most of the examples they use of white police racism are black criminals who weren’t especially good at their jobs. One of the organizers is white.

    It is also possible this is a scam without real racism but which grew faster than its creators intended.

    Yesterday, my wife was home for awhile. A half hour after she waited for a train to pass, the trail road bridge buckled and crashed into the drainage ditch, I came home to freeze sweet corn today. It is a mess and I will have trouble getting to the field.

    A Union Pacific rep just called to ask what we know about it and to discuss future use of the edge of our land to replace the tresstle. This is the same crossing where a train hit us two years ago.

  82.  “If Obama had to know about this, it’s only a matter of time before something on the server reveals that”

    Really?

    Why is that. Things have been wiped. The Justice Department corrupt. I have no faith in the full truth coming out of this. There is way too much at stake.

    Thor, the fox is in the hen house. You expect him to give an impartial investigation on the death of a chicken.

  83. Never mind. Clinton’s articulate campaign spokeswoman cleared this all up. Total nothing burger, guys.

    Man…Clinton doesn’t deserve the nomination just on her choice of spokeswoman, alone.

  84. How do we “Stop it now?” – James

    Progs and Dems have to call her out. They don’t have to pick a candidate yet, just carry the “anyone but Hillary banner”. Repub’s have to get serious. Stop flirting with Trump, get Fiorina on the big stage, remove Walker and Perry from the discussion to truncate any discussion about “equivilant” problems in R candidates. Not that they are actually in the same league, as far as scandals go, but before Billary and Skeletor could make it appear that way to enough voters. I’ve seen it already in regard to Walker.

  85. First the GOP need not heed any advice about dumping Walker. Walker is a vital part of the GOP bench.
    As for ET bet …I’m not touching it with a ten foot pole. As bad as the spokeswoman was she was clearly showing the game plan. The “when she was Secretary of State” over and over. I’ll be shocked if that doesn’t get trotted out by others. It is a multifocal talking point. Look for it folks!

  86. As candy ass as the GOP field is behaving I fail to see how,in the local parlance here,the progressives haven’t gone the way of the Whigs.

  87. As I wrote, the chicken will have to do something immoral or illegal to find justice.

    Here is how it is done. The state decided to remove our bridge, but they didn’t realize the economic impact the missing bridge would have on our economy. Our little band made as much noise as possible, and we repeatedly called the governor when someone got his private phone number. We were on television many times and we appeared at every DOT meeting in and near the county. The governor showed up to celebrate the expansion of a new business, and we were there to talk to the press and the governor.,

    I scared reporters by jumping on the detour bridge and making it shake. The notariety forced the county to close the detour. The county and DOT were at an impass. The county decided to impound our land and make a new road to by pass the bridge. We came home one evening to see men putting flags in our bean field. The County Engineer showed up and said they were closing the road.

    I replied that I had seen violence in the service and I should have died a long time ago. If they bartacaded the road, i would tear obstructions down and keep driving on the road. I would block earth moving equipment. An altercation would be inevitable, and I would be a likely casuality. I advised our engineer to envision the adverse publicity after I had become well-known on the news over the previous two years.

    I was quiet and polite. The County engineer knew I was serious. His expression changed, and he probably thought of the law suit and publicity my wife had just warned would happen. His expression changed and he said “sometimes we have to do something for the greater good instead of for short term gain. ” He agreed to replace the bridge.

    Others told us changing the DOT’s mind was just short of a miracle.

    The chicken is doomed unless people rise up as in the Civil Rights movement and are willing to die or go to jail without inflicting much violence themselves.

    This song is for Thor and his state’s fire travails,.. The Sami have something to teach us about the management of mass protests. Our sitting around and complaining on a blog or two won’t change anything,

  88. Rabbit, ET did a great job of showing all the “non-secure” hands this must have passed through. I have a hard time believing someone, somewhere, didn’t keep a “stained dress”, a screen shot. Nixon kept tapes, for God sake. If the shit goes through enough hands, sooner or later it passes by a pair of eyes attached to a conscious, attached to a beating heart. Like I said, “All the Presidents Men.” Now, in your defense, you’ve openly admitted that reading makes you sleepy and it seems to me that book was about 2000 pages long, but the point being, Cuban ex-pats working for the CIA leave tape on a door jam breaking into a hotel room. Less than three years later, the Attorney General and the WHCOS are going to jail and the President is resigning in disgrace, a President that won in a landslide. The Federal Government is so entwined and so large, it would seem impossible to cover every angle of retreat, no matter how skilled the cover-up artists are.

  89. “Doesn’t the Iran deal have to be accepted by the entire security council?”

    They’ve done that already.

    “<ahref=”http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/20/424631591/un-security-council-votes-unanimously-in-favor-of-iran-deal”>JULY 20, 2015
    The United Nations Security Council has unanimously endorsed the nuclear deal struck between Iran, the United States and five other world powers, the AP and Reuters are reporting.”

  90. James, I agree. Make a point but don’t screech. Rabbit’s video is exactly why I said it has to come from the Dems and Progs. Any Repub attack will come off as partisan. Issa’s shinnanigans have not helped in this regard.

    Alfie, I hope you simply missed my point. I didn’t say Walker’s problems preclude him or that he is not a strong candidate. What I’m saying is that the fact that he was associated with the misuse of govt resources, a hidden server and the investigation of those violations, is all the Clintons need to lower the bar to the “everybody does it level”. Why even leave that back door open for them?

  91. Seriously. With whom do I “identify?”

    I’ll avoid the obvious land mines of race and gender.

    If you have a choice between a pol promoting policy favorable to the legal profession vs not, which pol do you vote for?

    You know the phrase “all politics is local”? Take it a step further: all politics is personal.

  92. I came home to freeze sweet corn today – James

    James, thank you for the song and sorry for your mess. My wife’s grandma on her dad’s side was German, from Southern Illinois, Pinckneyville. She would add sugar, salt and butter to sweet corn, mash it and freeze it. Damn, heated up, that stuff could make mule meat taste good. 🙂

  93. Honestly, this obsession of you and your friends is so pervasive

    So let’s see. After over 200 years we have one non-white guy and it’s a pervasive obsession? If HRC hadn’t come so close in 2008, the drumbeat for a fem prez would not be so loud. It’s hardly obsessive. It’s simply that when you’re close to “making history” it’s compelling.

    And by the way, you ever talk to anyone who was an adult in 1960? Do you know what a BFD the first Catholic prez was?

  94. Tex, Abedin is married to Wiener. Nothing about her would surprise me.

    I’ve concluded HRC is Sarah with brains. Another one who never grew out of being the high school mean girl.

  95. Thanks Thor. I will try it.,

    “sleep with the french fries’ is funny.

    I have to get back to Omaha soon, First I will try to get some more sweet corn. If the highway is closed, I will have to drive 20 miles instead of six miles.

  96. Re: Fall asleep when I read books.

    Thor, I have you I’m searching for truth about much bigger 1970’s mysteries then byzantine Nixonian noir.

    For examole, did Lee Hazelwood ever really open Nancy Sinatra’s gate?

  97. So now the PUBLIC school is hitting me up for an art supplies fee.

    What are my goddam fucking tax dollars paying for??? If it didn’t reflect poorly on my kid I’d REFUSE to give them a goddam penny. It is not a fucking private prep school!!!!

    What if I were truly poor scraping for every last penny?

    I call BULLSHIT big time.

  98. Anyone that has read “All the Presidents Men” knows Hillary is electable. The point is to stop it now.

    Well your last sentence is key and invalidates your first.

    Nixon achieved a cover up that lasted through the election. HRC has no such luck. She’s knee deep in shit 14 months before the election. Her electability is decreasing by the day.

  99. R, you don’t seem to know what the term “identity politics” means.

    Moreover, good for the legal profession might be???? Limiting liabilty for legal malpractice? I’d like to see a candidate run on that.

  100. BLM is the natural consequence of Michael Brown. A race in total denial about one of its own-the fucking evidence right on a store’s web cam. Brown could have whipped out his dick and raped someone on camera and they’d still be crying hands up, don’t shoot.

    Gang I’m pretty much about to give up. The pathology so pervasive buttressed by a centuries history of abuse. I don’t like person-animal comparisons but it’s like a pit bull fed glass for years and now there’s no hope of domestication.

    I don’t know exactly why I’m so depressed today but I find myself agreeing with Tex. Leave the whole community to rot. Get the cops out of there. We stay out of there ourselves and just let them kill each other. Total separation. Ignore the entire community. Just let them implode.

  101. Man…Clinton doesn’t deserve the nomination just on her choice of spokeswoman, alone.

    That’s Palmieri, please refer back to my “punch in the face” comment earlier in the thread.

  102. Walker is a vital part of the GOP bench.

    Vitality and Walker don’t belong in the same sentence. A friggin wind-up doll. Or maybe it’s pull-string? He reminds me of a talking GI Joe I had as a kid.

  103. Nixon achieved a cover up that lasted through the election. HRC has no such luck. She’s knee deep in shit 14 months before the election. Her electability is decreasing by the day.

    Your discounting one thing. The Justice Dept. then and the Justice Dept. now. I have zero confidence in the racist and feckless Justice Dept. to pursue anything with a ‘D’ behind the name.

  104. R, you don’t seem to know what the term “identity politics” means.
    Moreover, good for the legal profession might be????

    First I knew you’d toss that evasive question at me. Yeah limited liability is a fine example.

    Since I don’t want to go down another definition rabbit hole with you, are you confining identity politics to race and gender?

  105. Identity politics are political arguments that focus upon the interest and perspectives of groups with which people identify. Identity politics includes the ways in which people’s politics may be shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. – from wiki

    So yeah, your being a lawyer IS an aspect of identity politics.

    Now you’ll argue law is a professional, not social organization. Don’t bother.

  106. You didn’t say lawyer. You said policy dummy.

    So if I identify with “lawyers” as the criterion, that would include nearly all politicians.

    And yet, the ones you’ve asked me about and I have favored in this and previous elections, none that I recall was a lawyer.

    That’s because it’s not factor for me, you big dummy.

    So you’re wrong with your “I know you are but what am I” retort in every single respect.

  107. Yes Rutherford. Race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, handicaps… Physical characteristics — except for those Uncle Toms as the conservatives have never called them.

  108. Not so easy Darrow. The premise is blacks vote for blacks due to an assumed sharing of priorities. I’m making the very simple point that nearly everyone votes out of self interest, not some “what’s best for the country” patriotism. And self interest revolves around identity.

    If all you’re saying is blacks vote for blacks, lawyers don’t necessarily vote for lawyers, well duh. I get that. Still doesn’t mean, to answer your original question, that candidates don’t appeal to you for very personal reasons AND for reasons they might not appeal to me.

    Tort reform ain’t high on my list.

    P.S. Go back to the definition I posted. It actually does not imply blacks voting for blacks. It implies shared priorities. YOU vote for candidates who prioritize issues that identify you.

  109. That Clinton ummmm spokesma….ummmmm spokesperson kind of…she ummmm kind of reminded me of….well…she reminded me of Barack Obama without his teleprompter.

  110. “I concede it’s an outlier but anyone else think the O Admin could be grinning and helping to tarnish HRC?”

    I put nothing past him, but I would wonder, to what end?

    A Michelle run in 2020?

  111. Lee never opened Nancy Sinatra’s gate. The latch was rusty and he was loyal to his wife and kids. He didn’t do “Something Stupid” as he might have done.

    I returned from a 30 mile round trip to pick over 70 ears of sweet corn, The closed rail line is a prime route for Wyoming coal to a power plant north of us. I’m going to try Thor’s recipee on some of it.

    I wonder the same thing. They have bad blood between them. The defeat of Hillary might be personal or he could think she wouldn’t properly guard his legacy. Michelle in 2012?

  112. I agree with Rutherford, people vote for their interests. Many black voters are suffering from mass delusion if they believe Democrats are looking after their true interests.

  113. “Identity politics works because identity comes first for most of us. Few are selfless patriots like you Tigre.” -R

    Then he moves the goal post to:

    “that candidates don’t appeal to you for very personal reasons AND for reasons they might not appeal to me.”

    Of course he knows what “identity” politics really is.

    Idenity politics are when a “personal” reason is a superficial blue print shared with millions of other morons.

    Oh wait a minute! Idenity politics aren’t personal at all then, are they?

    Why…they are a classic symptom of herd mentality and inane group think.

    Cheering for a common skin tone or reproductive organ or the shared desire to suck one. Yeah…..that’s how we pick the right president. Personal maaaaan.

  114. I concede it’s an outlier but anyone else think the O Admin could be grinning and helping to tarnish HRC?

    I don’t think it’s an outlier at all. I have read Team Obama has hated Team Clinton since 2007 and nothing has really changed.

  115. Many black voters are suffering from mass delusion if they believe Democrats are looking after their true interests.

    This has taken way too long to dawn on me. But then I’m not sure blacks really know what is in their best interest. That sounds patronizing but I really wonder.

  116. “The premise is blacks vote for blacks due to an assumed sharing of priorities.”

    No. The premise that dems vote for black, or women, or handicapped or whatever based on those characteristics above policy. Just like you did and claim to regret.

    After that, what you’ve said is too stupid for response. DR nailed you. You can’t even understand the wiki definition you posted. I can’t take it. I used to think you really didn’t get it. I now know this is a device of yours to avoid reckoning with something dumb you’ve said. In this instance, if you don’t see that race, gender, ethnicity is not a factor among republicans while it may be the single most important factor among dems — again — you’re just a fool.

  117. if you don’t see that race, gender, ethnicity is not a factor among republicans while it may be the single most important factor among dems — again — you’re just a fool.

    To which I say: most Republicans may not be racist but most racists are Republican and you can be damn sure race is a factor in their voting. 😊😊😊😳

  118. On a don’t delete note I saw that the Knight Foundation gave 250k to some group that is going to teach up to 50 barbers in Philly about discussing politics,voting etc. Sebastian and Luigi are not likely to be recruited 😊

  119. n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
    Political attitudes or positions that focus on the concerns of social groups identified mainly on the basis of gender, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation.

    You saved Rabbit the trouble. I posted the first definition I found. You posted one that supports your interpretation.

    As I told Rabbit, it’s a draw.

  120. Hey check it out. It’s the Ferguson cop that held the dying little girl in his arms becuase she was randomly shot while doing homework.

  121. “You posted one that supports your interpretation.”

    He posted the one that we were all using, including you, teeny bopper.

    You can’t be over 50.

  122. “I do not ask this as excuse but is it possible that HRC is truly computer illiterate?”

    Nope. Next question.

  123. “You saved Rabbit the trouble. I posted the first definition I found. You posted one that supports your interpretation.”

    No. That’s what you did. I took the very top one listed on Google.

    If anyone doubts, try it.

    R, I’m done with this. Your debate skills are clownish.

  124. “I do not ask this as excuse but is it possible that HRC is truly computer illiterate?”

    You ask because that’s the pitiful defense she’s trying to establish (as I said).

    Like a mob boss that wears his jammies and robe to court because he’s too mentally unstable to stand trial.

  125. “To which I say: most Republicans may not be racist but most racists are Republican and you can be damn sure race is a factor in their voting.”

    Untrue to a profound degree.

  126. He posted the one that we were all using, including you,

    Read the definition I posted again. It ain’t what Tigre posted on your behalf. You want me to agree to the second definition posted? Fine. Purely relates to gender, race and sexual preference.

  127. Thanks for the link Alfie. Answers my Starbucks question and the answer is no – two different ideas totally.

    I was referring to the short lived Starbucks initiative of talking about race with customers.

  128. Quite a challenge. You really know how to throw down the gauntlet Rutherford. 😆 😆 😆 😆

    I’m surprised you didn’t point out the definition I posted used “ethnicity” whereas your well-crafted challenge didn’t. That’s solid gold in the Rutherford Jedi debate realm.

  129. No it’s not. Proves nothing but your silliness.

    The worst part is your expansion of the definition you yourself posted to mean you never understood any of the prior discussions or comments concerning identity politics on your blog. It must seemed so fuzzy and freakish to you all along. 😆 😆 😆

    Stop digging.

  130. I can’t believe I have to post screenshots from my phone to prove I’m not a liar.

    As a politician once told Chris Matthews, you’re lucky we don’t do duels anymore because you have offended my honor Sir.

  131. You lost the challenge you posed.

    The fact that it was so fucking easy removes any possibility of harm to your honor. You already lost it.

  132. “I accept your apology for calling me a liar.”

    There’s no apology. You were trying to play cute with a definition you hunted for to help it along.

  133. “Do you agree that most folks vote out of what they perceive as their self interest OR is the country full of selfless patriots?”

    That’s too vague. Self-interest is a flexible standard. Purging wrongly assumed white guilt can explain a lot of votes for Obama even though detrimental to a variety of other interests.

  134. You were trying to play cute with a definition you hunted for to help it along.

    Holy fuck. I didn’t hunt. Let me try again … I posted the first thing that appeared in my Google search – and as I said, I didn’t even have to click a link as the definition appeared right at the beginning of the search results. What’s your claim now, that I photoshopped the image I posted?

  135. Blackened Lives Matter.

    Another town, Tonasket, on level 3 evac. For the first time in Washington history, the state is accepting volunteers to fight wildfires. Right now they are looking for heavy equipment operators. I have driven wheel tractors, skid steers, pay loaders and forklifts. However, if my wife catches me peeking at the DNR website, my privileges will be revoked. 🙂

    http://q13fox.com/2015/08/20/entire-town-of-tonasket-ordered-to-evacuate-as-wildfire-danger-increases/

  136. “Was that in response to something or just a declaration?”

    It is a little of both.

    I was thinking about your “selfless patriots” bullshit and what motivates voting. I was thinking about what really constitutes “selfless” and whether it’s a concept you libbies really get or just make believe you do. The whole BLM thing, its causes, methods and objectives, is beginning to disgust me. I’m thinking about how much harm the left has done to race relations and the advancement of minorities with their thoughtless power grabbing and co-opting.

    I am thinking about how directionless you are when on the one-hand you think you’ve got it pegged by accusing conservatives of being selfish bastards and the case you are trying to make now.

    And of course you really think “most racists” are republicans.

    People’s voting is certainly not motivated by the same things. I’m glad I don’t share yours.

  137. Prey on Common Decency? That’s a great way to put it, Tigre. Whatever these punks think they are accomplishing, they couldn’t be more wrong.

    I’m obviously no fan of Bernie Sanders. We couldn’t be more different and I find him as choice for President as silly as I do Donald Trump – perhaps more so.

    But watching that zoo out in Seattle where they shut the old socialist down, then screamed in the face of that equally goofy looking older man trying to talk to them, even offering the microphone, angers me. And it has absolutely nothing to do with race.

    That behavior was thuggish, it was the height of selfishness, it was rude, and it was beyond juvenile. And the crowd that let them get away with was pathetic. It made me loathe these cowardly white Leftists even more. I understand these BLM punks have been doing this in restaurants, at movies, at parks.

    And it needs to be stopped – by force when necessary. And I hope everyone here would agree.

    When you start letting mobs cower people and take over establishments, you are losing control of civilization. And these punks are hiding behind skin color. Race should not matter what it comes to mob control.

  138.  However, if my wife catches me peeking at the DNR website, my privileges will be revoked. 🙂

    Dude. Step up. They must be desperate.

  139. “I listened to Melissa Etheridge and the Indigo Girls and the Corrs.”

    Mother of God!!!!

    That better have been designed to provoke a reaction. If not, your man card goes right in the pile with James’.

  140. “And it needs to be stopped – by force when necessary. And I hope everyone here would agree.”

    Fucking-A right. They are picking a fight they seem to think they can win because of the social climate created by years of pandering and manipulation. They are stroking themselves with the passivity and appeasement. It’s classic-form bullying. And as with all bullies, it will continue until beat down.

    R, do you think JAL expected your edification from her kindergarten analysis and name-calling? I do. Why do you think that is?

    Time for the black community and you liberal pussies to grow the fuck up and man the fuck up. Shit needs fixing. And it ain’t gonna come from rallying around bunch of campaign slogans and hopes of white knight imperial presidents.

  141. There in lies the real problem, Tigre. It’s not just Hillary Rotten that is corrupt. It’s much of the State Dept. as well. This kind of criminality doesn’t happen in a vacuum without a great deal of cooperation. I contend it’s this way throughout every organization in the federal government. I can tell you from personal experience, you won’t work with a bigger bunch of self-important jackboots than these a_hole EPA types – despicable. I’m not kidding when I tell you they belong in SS uniforms.

    These directives may come from the top, but the real problem is up and down the structure. And who makes up the largest part of federal workers? What ideology is predominant in federal government for the lay worker? It’s obvious as hell.

    I’m not sure what the solution is, but if I were elected President, I might be real tempted to just fire them all and start anew.

  142. Anybody see Fiorina/Couric on abortion? It is said that college-educated American women control swing vote in US presidential elections, and her stand will appeal to that group, IMHO.

  143. “I’m not sure what the solution is, but if I were elected President, I might be real tempted to just fire them all and start anew.”

    I wouldn’t be tempted. I’s be committed to it. Purging is an imperative. The DOJ /State Dept. are nothing but Obama/Clinton Brown Shirts.

  144. Parker, that was the first video on abortion you ever posted that was constructive and not inflammatory.

    I do agree, start with common ground. And the left, you, the “war on women crowd”…..all have distorted the reality that most Americans think abortion is an abomination at a certain point.

    I do concede that people like me and other pro lifers sometimes get too emotional about it and its not effective. We’re talking about KILLING humans. Of course it goes both ways.

    I

  145. Couric is conniving POS and Democratic hack as demonstrated time and again – about as phony as they come in media. She is still the same Perky Katie looking to score another Palin. Problem for Katie is that unlike with Palin, she’s now out of her intellectual league in questioning.

    Not only did Fiorina put Couric in her place time and again, but so did Ted Cruz. In fact, Cruz made the insufferable Couric look like a schoolgirl in an hour long interview.

    Great stuff and two of my favorites. As of right now, that would be my “dream team.” But I not only reserve the right to change but still believe 4-6 of the Republican candidates so much better than anything posed the last 20 years for President, it actually gives me a shred of hope maybe America will get out of the stuck on stupid mode.

    This nation has lived a lie for 23 years. And what is happening in the market this week was as predictable as the sun rising. Bad times are a coming. Soon. Only this time unlike 2008, there’s going to be some Dims with a lot of dancing to do.

  146. Pisses me off at myself for still being 30% in equities. That was my hedge and I knew better. I need to get out of stuck on stupid too and start going with my base instincts instead of over thinking things. At 55, you’re supposed to know better.

  147. “Rabbit you’re wrong about hrc becoming prez. This scandal gets worse literally every day.”

    I will put whip cream on that crow pie, brother.

  148. I sold off and moved my money into electric companies. Kind of was a smart and undiversified move for the time being.

    I also bought some gold etfs. I think I timed this one.

  149. I am thinking about how directionless you are when on the one-hand you think you’ve got it pegged by accusing conservatives of being selfish bastards

    WOW is that creative writing! Tigre, when it comes to voting in saying ALL people are selfish bastards. When did I ever say that was a conservative thing?

    As for BLM “beginning” to disgust you, when were you ever a fan? BLM first hit my radar screen when they messed with Bernie and I instantly disliked them. Guess I’ve got you beat there. 😉

    For your sake, I’ll amend one statement. Most vocal bigots are Republicans. Democrat bigots tend to keep their prejudices to themselves.

  150. Rutherford, serious commentary. And I think I can speak for most of us regulars here, who I am absolutely sure befuddle you sometimes with our conclusions.

    You know what many of us have concluded about Barack Obama. You know most of believe not only is Barack Obama an abject disaster, but a despicable human being, completely unqualified to be the leader of the free world and a thug to boot. This isn’t in defense of George Bush or all Republicans, as I’ve concluded men like McConnell and Boehner simply less despicable versions of Barack Obama – equally corrupted and incompetent in a different way.

    I don’t think you can appreciate how much so many of us have completely lost confidence in the greater American public to distinguish good from bad, truth from fiction, reality from platitude. I’ve told you several times I can somewhat appreciate the election of 2008 and the historical significance. I didn’t believe a word about Barack Obama for one moment and thought him a pretentious liar and farce from the start, but I could certainly understand the frustrations with millions of Americans at that point in time. Throw in the absolute weakest Republican candidate perhaps in a century in John McCain, and the Democrats probably deserved to win in 2008.

    However, it took less than two years for it to become completely transparent Barack Obama was a train wreck in the making. His partner Joe Biden is the dumbest white politician in Washington D.C.and is equally less qualified to be President. Both of them are no more qualified to be leaders of the West than Sarah Palin or Al Franken. It’s a disgrace. We have suffered and the rest of the world has also suffered on account of it. The rest of the world is past Obama. It has rejected Obama, realizing he is both incompetent and weak. It’s time all Progressives man up and do likewise and admit he has failed.

    To the point, for more than 30 years those of us who still believe in law and justice have watched the Clintons get away with egregious and totally reckless behavior without any due punishment. What does it say of a nation when scum like this can operate visibly without due process – any number of crimes which would have had guys like you and me thrown in the pen, much less coronated? And still, millions in your party have deemed these reprobates to be the most visible leaders and spokespeople of your party. There is absolutely nothing genuine or redeeming about thi Clinton family. Nothing. Even their own daughter is turning out unsurprisingly to be corrupt and white trash with connections.

    Guys like Rabbit and I have entirely lost faith in the ability of the Democratic Party to operate honestly. I would go so far to say your ideology isn’t just a failure – it is evil. And though I think you’re right that Hillary Clinton will not be the nominee, it’s not because she is a despicably wicked and dishonest person. It’s because the Democratic Party has decided Hillary may not be electable.

    What does that say about the honesty and integrity of those you affiliate with politically? That’s not to slam you personally. I think you try to be objective in a small sense, unlike most you associate with. Look at that insufferable JAL – who in fairness, you also take to task for the stupidity above. But she is typical of the Prog Party, completely void of honesty – the definition of a hoodwink dupe.

    And you’re still so personally vested, you haven’t come to grips with why you are depressed and refuse to let go. I find you better than the conclusions you arrive at. And I believe your conflict is explained between a lifetime of belief and you now starting to realize you’ve been lied to.

  151. Thanks Thor, I especially like the Coors and Irish music.

    Ha Ha El Tigre !

    I like this one too, and they are political conservatives.

  152. “Most vocal bigots are Republicans. Democrat bigots tend to keep their prejudices to themselves.”

    Oh, hell NO!

    Total bullshit. You spread your bigotry with impunity.

  153. “When did I ever say that was a conservative thing?”

    Why it seem to recall very recently. Perhaps I’ll go looking but knowing that it will be to no end, it might not. The “find me a definition” game was sure fun though. 🙄

  154. Fiorina said that exact same thing regarding abortion on The View and left the panel pretty much speechless.

    The left wants desperately to pit her into an argument and she isn’t biting. It’s tough to argue against “let’s find common ground and work from there”.

    She knows exactly what she wants to say ahead of time, and she says it brilliantly, both with her word selection and her tone. I find her very impressive.

  155. “As for BLM “beginning” to disgust you, when were you ever a fan?”

    Never. What of it? Not giving a shit and is different from being disgusted. However, I will admit, with the likes of you and JAL, I’m plum out fucks, remember?

    Thanks for your contributions to race relations. Good job.

    Now I’ll go back to not voting for people because. . . something about your wikipedia definition of something or another that says so. . . I guess. . . or something.

  156. “Why it seem to recall very recently. Perhaps I’ll go looking but knowing that it will be to no end, it might not. The “find me a definition” game was sure fun though.”

    Jesus. It puts lotion on its skin.

    Sorry for the slop.

  157. That better have been designed to provoke a reaction. If not, your man card goes right in the pile with James’. – ET

    Hey, Etheridge is kind of manly. Sounds like R on his radio show. You still do those R?

    I used to sport those pajama pants things in the 80’s and thought it really worked for me. For that alone, they could have taken my man card and put it on that Pluto probe along with that guy’s ashes and sent it on a one-way trip to oblivion.

  158. It’s not current, but damn that is some kind of cojones.

    Man! Cojones is right. To be honest, I didn’t know commercial aircraft could be that mobile. And I damn sure didn’t know he was having to climb out of it that quickly to clear the bluff above the guy filming.

    It’s a wonder more people don’t die flying those massive planes dumping that retardant in those ranges. I know it has happened on occasion.

  159. Parker, the largest commercial jet ever used for drops was a 747. 20,000 ton payload.

    Dude. Step up. They must be desperate – DR

    They say they want volunteers, but I think what they really want is the equipment. If you show up in your Passat with the wife snap-chatting your good deed, they’re going to turn your ass around. If you show up with a neck tattoo in a Bobcat 720 with a brush cage and redundant filtering, you’re going straight to the head of the line. 🙂

  160. “Not only did Fiorina put Couric in her place time and again, but so did Ted Cruz. In fact, Cruz made the insufferable Couric look like a schoolgirl in an hour long interview.” – Tex

    This is exactly what I was talking about. The longer Trump keeps the spotlight, the less chance others have to shine. I would much rather hear these two talk issues than watch Donald Dick host an Amway-Duck-Dynasty-pig roast in Alabama. But guess which one will get the headlines tonight. (Yes, that was leftist bigotry. 🙂 )

  161. Thor – I think Trump is doing a great service in forcing the other candidates to move beyond, “Hey, I’m a nice guy, too and wouldn’t insult ANYBODY.” He is drubbing their candy asses and the public loves him for it. They are being forced move beyond the PC horseshit and to take a stand, and it is a GREAT thing.

    As for Trump stealing the spotlight: it is a very long time until voting day. The cream will rise to the top – if there is any cream.

    The more I watch Fiorina, the more I think that Just Maybe There Is.

  162. As for Trump stealing the spotlight: it is a very long time until voting day. The cream will rise to the top – if there is any cream.

    Agreed.

    I don’t care for Trump, but he is currently performing a valuable service for all of us, especially with respect to illegal immigration. I could be wrong, and though I have no handle on this aggregate country, I do know the Republican Party pretty well, I think.

    I am guessing as the candidates dwindle, you’ll see Trump stay about where he is. At 30%. That doesn’t get you nominated. Smart ones like Cruz realize you don’t win elections by pissing of 30% of your supporters when they give you the proverbial bird for marginalizing them. Many of the other idiots, especially the establishment ones take the bait, and fall right into the trap of demonizing Trump. That’s not going to win them the nomination.

    But I wouldn’t mind seeing a loudmouth like Trump sitting in a cabinet position negotiating with the money people and China. 😈 I don’t know if his ego would allow him to do it, but he’s certainly qualified.

  163. Tex – re: people losing their lives in fire-retardant bombing. You bet they do.

    That’s a military plane – a Lockheed Herc C-130 – the one they fly into hurricanes. There must have been some kind of screwup – maintenance or something.

  164. Redo button would have been huge for me. It’s too late now. You all know there is a whole…I mean hole in my basic education. Emperor has no clothes.

  165. Yeah, I remember that exact incident, Parker. Couple of years, ago? Right? That was on my mind when I wrote that response.

    You think the pilot put more stress forces on the plane than designed, or did they ever determine it was just something like metal fatigue? I don’t think I ever did hear the reason why those wings sheered like that.

    I do remember that laminated aluminum plate actually holding the wings of at least a DC8 was called the “tombstone.” 😯 And it looks just like the old upright tombstones. I do remember that when I was up working on them and the aeronautical engineer was trying to teach something to a particularly stupid rookie – which would be me.

  166. Anybody wonder why it is that NYT originated and used the term “anchor babies” since like 2010 and suddenly overnight when the republican candidates use it is offensive?

  167. Here’s how Texas tests their EZ Tag System. 😛 Got one on my front windshield. Love to take it for a spin. Afraid the Honda doesn’t run like this, but I would give a try.

  168. Pisses me off at myself for still being 30% in equities.

    What little I have invested is just about entirely bonds. I should be ok. I have maybe 60.00 (no typo) invested in a bunch of ETF’s. If that goes south I won’t be too upset.

  169. Now I’ll go back to not voting for people because. . . something about your wikipedia definition of something or another that says so. . . I guess. . . or something.

    What’s sad is that was typical of your typical quality of expression. 😂

  170. Sounds like R on his radio show. You still do those R?

    LOL, Melissa Etheridge and Demi Moore.

    It’s been months since my last “show” but I’m thinking of firing one up soon.

  171. FANBOYS Rutherford and not in the pajama wearing hipster way.
    Saw a BBC article about how a couple of US Marines on a French train beat up a nut bag who was about to AK the train.

  172. Yes Alfie even that military hating communist lesbo Rachel Maddow covered it with pride. 😊

    (The sarcasm was directed at others. Sorry if you got hit with some shrapnel.)

  173. Regarding Tex’s BLM rant (and Tigre’s verbose version of “yeah! What he said!”), let me state two things.

    First I wanted BADLY to knock those two ladies at the Sanders rally on their fat asses.

    BUT

    You and ET are missing something. It’s called freedom to engage in civil disobedience. It has a grand tradition in this country and without it the country might not have changed for the better. I don’t like BLM. I don’t like what they stand for (assuming I understand what they stand for). But for the police to round them up and toss them in jail is far more fascist than what they are doing.

    I wished Bernie told them to “sit down and shut up” but if they didn’t, I’m not sure the alternative might not be worse than the problem.

  174. On another note, some are wondering why BLM doesn’t pull this crap at GOP rallies. The answer is obvious. Republicans don’t suffer from white guilt and can’t be extorted into apology. They will tell the ladies to stfu and sic the cops on them if necessary. BLM, cowards at the core (and bullies) know this.

  175. It’s called freedom to engage in civil disobedience.

    There’s civil disobedience. And then there is thuggery. That BLM exchange robbed thousands of people from hearing the Marxist message. It was an act of selfishness and thuggery – nothing more.

    Under your definition, anything could be construed as civil disobedience.

  176. That BLM exchange robbed thousands of people from hearing the Marxist message.

    I may be laughing at that comment the rest of the weekend. If folks didn’t know you, they’d think we were brothers in arms. 😂😂😂

  177. “That BLM exchange robbed thousands of people from hearing the Marxist message.”

    I am going to disagree with this.

    Bernie made the decision to give up his mic. He wasn’t forced to walk away–he chose to walk away.

    He could have handled the situation in a number of ways. The one he chose was the worst.

    That one is all on Bernie

  178. “You and ET are missing something. It’s called freedom to engage in civil disobedience.”

    Yeah. That totally eluded me. 🙄

    You seem to be missing that Sanders and O’Malley are pandering pussies.

    Thor, I’m coming back for you after hockey practice.

  179. “It’s called freedom to engage in civil disobedience”

    Really? By shutting Americans up?

    Civil Disobedience in my book entails deliberately breaking a law to protest against the government. Not civilians, the freedom to assemble.

    If you can’t see the fascism in what they did (literally….that is EXACTLY what the Brown Shirts would do)…you once again take the side of evil becuase you are a dim witted apologist.

    If I was naive socialist and at that meeting I swear to you I would have clocked that black guy so fucking hard his nose would have splattered over Sanders’ face. The stampede that would have natural ensued would have made those two fat fascist chicks into Christopher Reeves and Stephen Hawking, respectively.

    There are some things worth fighting for.

  180. A gift from Sweden.

    Rabbit is right. They are fascists and racists. Huck too.

    If they wanted discourse and thought the only way to publicize their message was to disrupt a meeting, of civilians they would have asked the speakers to exchange view points with them.

    Sanders and O Mally are pandering, but this time some of the radicals see through their BS and are catching them off guard.

    One of the American men who stopped a French terrorist was a member of the Air Force.

  181. “To which I say: most Republicans may not be racist but most racists are Republican and you can be damn sure race is a factor in their voting. 😊😊😊😳”

    ^This is a lie.

    This is not –

    “How about acknowledging that minorities can be, and often are, racist. Yes, that’s a damn fact, and probably one that makes you uncomfortable. I hear Hispanics badmouthing blacks all the time, and vice versa. And Asians? Shit, if you’re not Chinese or Japanese, then you’re a Chai boy. Bitch, get my slippers…
    You’ve mentioned before this ridiculous notion that blacks specifically, but minorities generally, can’t be racist because of some notion of power. That’s completely and totally absurd. Racism has everything to do with culture and fear. Racism is taught. Racism is learned. There may be tangential connections between power and race, but one does not beget the other.

    I saw a study a few weeks ago that stated that there was zero scientific evidence of racial difference, meaning that at the DNA level, there is no such thing as race. Sure, there are physical characteristics associated with race, but that is the result of probability (if nothing but blondes are procreating, then nothing but blondes will be born, etc). To me, this was obvious, and that when we talk about race, we’re really talking about culture. And I don’t think you could argue this. What happens to a black that likes country music, enjoys hockey, and prefers the cold? We complain about stereotypes, but culturally, we use stereotypes to define our culture. Dolezal was accepted into the black community not because of her fake tan, but because she was all-in culturally. She accepted and emulated all the mandatory “black” identifying characteristics, which is why people like Justice Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, Ben Carson, etc, etc, etc, get the Uncle Tom treatment. “Black” culture right now has absorbed this notion of being a Dem, and if you’re not a Dem, well then, you’re clearly not black enough.

    Let me ask this question: IF whites are guilty by association for the sins of past generations—regardless of their actual involvement—then why is the Dem party given a pass? According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 1.6% of the U.S. population in 1860—the height of slavery in the U.S.—owned slaves. 1.6%. Yet, we’re told that America was built on the back of slavery, that everything that we are stems from slavery and that whites—ALL whites—benefited and were empowered by slavery. So all of America, all whites, are guilty for slavery, regardless of the fact that the first slave owner in the United States was a black man and that blacks were sold into slavery by black men in Africa. Black complicity in slavery never gets mentioned, but that is beside the current point. So whites are branded with this stain, earned or not, just because they’re white. Apparently whites can never erase the collective sins of all minorities that were involved in slavery.

    And then there is the Dem party. The party that succeeded to the South to form the Confederate States of America, the party that carried the Confederate Battle flag on the field of war and placed it on the capital of South Carolina. The same party that formed the KKK and lynched hundreds of blacks throughout the South. The party that wrote, passed, and enforced Jim Crow laws. The party of Bull Connor. The party that opposed every civil rights bill ever passed in the U.S. When blacks reach down into the annuls of history to withdraw grievance after grievance, each and every time those grievances are tied directly to the Dem party. Every single one. Yet, in sheep-like fashion, you pull the lever supporting your historical oppressor. THAT, more than anything, is the action of an Uncle Tom…”
    an800lbgorilla , July 7, 2015 at 7:12 am

  182. Yes the updated news shows that the French Interior Minister misidentified the branch alignments of the Americans involved. In fact one is a student.

    I think the race racist thing has a number of people in the wrong here now and on 7 July. Just saying.
    I do have to add my vote that it is absolutely insane to claim that most racists are Republican. Thats lazy,sloppy and generally insipid thinking.

  183. Fear is a disturbing emotion. Sanders absolutely disgraced himself and forfeited his being able to be seen as Presidential.
    On the flip side the dynamics of our society is such that calculated thought could’ve been at play here as well. If you’re part of an entity so concerned about image and identity you will make calculated decisions in any given situation. The liberal lily whites at the hijacked event have a hard time thinking to the point of confrontation and the potential outcomes of it. They are the type of people who would never ask a black person to pull up their pants and stop yelling obscenities.They are the types of people that when you mug them they cough up their possessions easily. The only believe in addressing confrontation with dialog and although they can be quite ruthless with it if you represent something that scares them….they will flinch and squirm.

  184. Perhaps its because I could live happily in Singapore but….
    You want the freedom to speak,be heard,hold up signs etc etc. you need to expect that others will feel free to stop you. I doubt people who malign the BLM thugs beat down of Bernie felt the same about the NYC bikers trashing the flag burners….in fact I know it!

  185. “I doubt people who malign the BLM thugs beat down of Bernie felt the same about the NYC bikers trashing the flag burners….in fact I know it!”

    Didn’t see it but it’s a false equivalency. One is a direct confrontation of their antagonist. Bernie? O’Malley?

    If BLM went to a cop convention to disrupt it could be understood.

  186. “I think the race racist thing has a number of people in the wrong here now and on 7 July. Just saying.”

    Please ‘splain.

  187. Alfie, what you said does not address what I said. It was a direct confrontation. A “counter protest” is more understandable than just disrupting shit and demanding a mic because it’s a public event involving white people — I guess — IMO. The target, message, and objective.

  188. “You want the freedom to speak,be heard,hold up signs etc etc. you need to expect that others will feel free to stop you”. 

    Then, by definition, you have no freedom to speak, do you.

    But, if the gotcha game is your strategy, I guess you got me with the bikers interrupting the Wesborro Church taunting the family members of a Marine killed in action.

    So, I do rank exercises in speech and assembly.

    Assemblies directly tied to the Democratic process carries more weight then extreme cases of people trying to hurt the father and mother grieving the loss of their son.

    As for flag burning, honestly, I’ve always felt you have the right to do it….

  189. @ dead rabbit I’m not talking about anything connected to Westboro.

    As for:

    Then, by definition, you have no freedom to speak, do you.

    I disagree. One persons right to express themselves just does not prevent another from expressing themselves. A street corner or public place is not a forum guarded by Roberts Rules of Order.Speech is often confrontational and speakers should not be surprised by responses.

  190. My question about BLM and SNCC still stands and stands in answer as well. I don’t have any respect for BLM but they are hardly original in their tactics or goals. They are not simply about disrupting shit hosting white people.

  191. ” US party transitions are very real and 1968 is no myth.”

    Unless and until it’s disputed, I’m going with this –

    “As a result of unrelenting efforts by Democrats to shift their racist past onto the backs of Republicans, using the mantra: “the parties switched sides”, a lot of people have requested an article addressing this issue.

    It does not make sense to believe that racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party, especially after Republicans spent nearly 150 years fighting for black civil rights. In fact, the racist Democrats declared they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.”

    http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html

  192. You seem to be missing that Sanders and O’Malley are pandering pussies.

    So are 99% of all Dem and GOP pols. Your point?

    The issue is whether BLM should be locked in the slammer for their antics.

  193. “I think the race racist thing has a number of people in the wrong here now and on 7 July. Just saying.”

    Fair enough. I didn’t look for a response from you when G posted it in July. Should I have? My perception was that it went unanswered but that may be pertaining just to Rutherford.

    What’s wrong with it?

  194. Remember the Journolist.

    “There is power in the accusation of racism against conservatives, one that liberals understand well. In an April 2008 post on Journolist, a private online community for liberal journalists, academics and activists, one writer proposed a way to distract conservatives from the campaign controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s pastor. “If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us,” Spencer Ackerman wrote. “Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists.” ”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/10/AR2010091002679.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&sid=ST2010091201877

  195. “I do have to add my vote that it is absolutely insane to claim that most racists are Republican. Thats lazy,sloppy and generally insipid thinking.”

    Agreed, but it’s less passive than “lazy, sloppy, and insipid.”

    It’s nefarious. Not far from evil, if at all unlinked.

  196. “One persons right to express themselves just does not prevent another from expressing themselves.”

    I wasn’t talking about expression. And either were you. You were talking about physically taking someone’s microphone away.

  197. “A street corner or public place is not a forum guarded by Roberts Rules of Order”.

    Man…I guess if Berny showed up unannounced on a street corner, you would have a point.

  198. Rabbit I don’t care if its taking the mic or using a bullhorn and shouting someone down. The free speech equation as it were has many variables. The freedom to speak,the freedom to listen or not too,the freedom to speak against what is being said and the freedom to disrupt a speaker within the confines of the law.

  199. They can boo in the crowd. They can yell.

    They can’t get on the stage of a properly sanctioned event and “take” the mic. You don’t see the difference there?

  200. I have a point I apparently am just wasting my time trying to articulate it. Sanders was window dressing for the event. It was a mutually beneficial thing. Lilly white progs stroking their egos in the libbie prog capital celebrating SS 70th birthday and Sanders feeling his oats having a chance to talk in the walls of commie nirvana with like minded souls. Logistically it was a good move for the BLM folks to get some attention. Even though I don’t respect BLM I am seriously thinking I am the only one who can look at them and see something other than niggers.

  201. Take my phone rabbit and I will exercise a multitude of freedoms upon you but now you’re stretching it. The mic or bullhorn or pulpit represent something other than a personal form of communication like a phone.
    Civil disobedience isn’t always legal and it is often far from polite and is universally selfish. None of that negates having the freedom to engage in the activity.
    Is everyone here tea drinkers with their fucking pinkies out ?

  202. “I am the only one who can look at them and see something other than niggers.”

    Oh…I see them as arose then that. Fascists.

    Why is it a stretch?

    Your smart phone is quite the bull horn right now.

    You can’t physically shut someone up taking something.

  203. “ET are you aware of exactly what the Seattle event was about?”

    Yes.

    “Even though I don’t respect BLM I am seriously thinking I am the only one who can look at them and see something other than niggers.”

    And with that, I am through with your imperious bullshit.

  204. I’m not using my phone rabbit but that doesn’t capture the spirit that we are indeed engaged in a dialog where both of us are free to put forth our views and others are free to judge and add to it all.

  205. ET I expressed an opinion based on a reading of everything put forth here,and by here I mean more than just this thread. I have seen nothing from most of you that indicated an iota of viewing the Seattle BLM duo as anything other than thuggy niggas.
    If I missed something,and you’re quite done with your tantrum feel free to point it out.

  206. The stampede that would have natural ensued would have made those two fat fascist chicks into Christopher Reeves and Stephen Hawking, respectively.

    Totally beside the point but why do you have such an affinity for disability related insults.

    Truth be told Christopher Reeve died 10 times richer than you’ll ever be and Hawking is ten times smarter.

    I find your preoccupation with how awful it is to be disabled odd. Take it from me, it ain’t that bad. To use a variation of the advice you’ve given me, maybe you should spend less time on the softball field and more time volunteering with the disabled? You might discover it ain’t the end of the world and maybe even YOU could cope with the loss of a leg or arm.

  207. @rabbit fwiw after rereading your comment I’ve come to a better understanding of your personal views. I don’t see the BLM folks as fascists but I can see given a particular viewpoint on speech etc someone labeling as such.
    I’ll have to ponder whether I believe someone can be a fascist outside of government sanction.
    Seriously…I find your position interesting.

  208. “If I missed something,and you’re quite done with your tantrum feel free to point it out.”

    Tantrum? Blow me. You’re the one pitching a fit.

    My comments have been directed at (1) Sanders and O’Malley’s reaction to bullies, and (2) the origins and objectives of BLM.

    You? Responding to bikers engaging in flag burners turns into that asshole statement. Talk about lazy,sloppy and generally insipid thinking. In fact, you can take your vitriolic statement and stick it up your ass as far as I’m concerned.

    If your point is that there’s freedom of speech and protest and assembly, I think you can safely assume we get that. I said the movement is shit, and its ineffective tactics are more proof of it.

  209. @ Muffy I think your focus was missed by me. Republicans did indeed hold the higher moral ground for decades from the Civil War onwards and the Southern Democrats were indeed holding to their roots circa 1825 [?Andrew Jackson]
    Still it is rather curious how with Nixon southern whites found something to believe in and switched. It is also something that with the biggest gift granted by blacks came from democrat presidents. I say that even though I doubt any nobility within the act. Lastly from a broad historical base the civil rights champions within the GOP were never POTUS. This is important given the reality of how the country works under its cloud of bipartisan racism.
    Side note GOP Presidents nominated both the supporters and dissent judges of Plessey v Ferguson

  210. “Totally beside the point but why do you have such an affinity for disability related insults.”

    In this case, it was just hyperbole. Since its against code for me to punch a woman, the crowd would accidentally give them the ass beating they deserve.

    Didn’t meant to offended Christopher Reeves or you.

  211. Muffy is G paying you to repost his comments? If so, how can I get in on the action?

    There is practical and intellectual. Intellectually you and G are wrong. Racism is prejudice plus power. In practical every day usage your point has merit.

  212. BLM = punishing whites for the sins of their ancestors to keep from being held accountable for their own.

    That pretty much nails it. You have an implicit motive that I don’t necessarily agree with. I don’t think the goal is to avoid accountability. I think BLM has a disconnect between black dysfunction and their problems. They would read your comment and not even know what you’re talking about. That’s just how disconnected they are.

  213. I think most of the BLM protesters have the same underlying motives as the OWS. And It’s shallow and selfish, not altruistic. My “implicit motive” is making that point. A self-indulgent, attention-only, manufactured tantrum unworthy of credence.

    Or, if your astute and in control, perhaps I can only look at them and see niggers. 🙄

  214. SNCC began as a folksingingly amalgam of blacks who openly conspired with whites to change the system peaceably. They indulged in civil disobedience while accepting punishment for their deeds. Several of my college class mates were arrested during the sit ins, and one sent regular letters to our student newspaper.

    The movement later evolved into something more violent. They also had communist connections. Barney Frank and another politician tried to gain control and expel the commie groups. The blacks resented white liberal interference.

    I see similarities including whites’ attempts to usurp control when in their view, the blacks were getting out of hand.

    The BLM movement seems to have bypassed the original evolutionary stages of SNCC. I also don’t believe BLM has the same infrastructure organization as SNCC.

    BLM also focused on the deaths of criminals at the hands of police officers while ignoring whites who suffered the same fate. SNCC operated to change legitement discrimination.

  215. “Muffy is G paying you to repost his comments? If so, how can I get in on the action?”

    I should pay him. Brings back memories of him calling in to your radio thing and me almost driving up the steps into a church I was laughing so hard.

    You can get into the action by posting something of equal brilliance. Adding 4 emoticons to shield a nasty lie from the light doesn’t quite do it for me.

    “There is practical and intellectual. Intellectually you and G are wrong. Racism is prejudice plus power. In practical every day usage your point has merit.”

    No, we aren’t wrong. Racism is racism. Your attempts to RE-define racism to excuse the overwhelming magnitude and prevalence of racism among blacks and other minorities is RE-jected. It comes from the same indoctrination routine that says blacks can’t be racist. Which is nonsense because of the simple fact that they are.

  216. “I don’t think the goal is to avoid accountability. I think BLM has a disconnect between black dysfunction and their problems. They would read your comment and not even know what you’re talking about. That’s just how disconnected they are.

    The disconnect is accountability.

  217. Still it is rather curious how with Nixon southern whites found something to believe in and switched.”

    I guess so. And I appreciate your reply. But considering only 1? 2? southern whites in congress switched parties, where is the data that supports that racist southern white grocery store and gas station owners switched parties in ’68?

    Contrary to proof that more better racism attracted the racist Democrats to the Republican party, from the article to which I linked –

    “Democrats condemn Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called “Southern Strategy.” These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, while deriding Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party.

    The “Southern Strategy” that began in the 1970’s was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.

    As the co-architect of Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”, Pat Buchanan provided a first-hand account of the origin and intent of that strategy in a 2002 article posted on the Internet. Buchanan wrote that Nixon declared that the Republican Party would be built on a foundation of states’ rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense. Nixon said he would leave it to the Democratic Party to squeeze the last ounce of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.”

    Further support that the claim is more convenient than true –

    “The “solid south” Democratic voting pattern began to break down not in the 1960s in response to civil rights but in the 1950s in response to economic development and the Cold War. (Black voters in the north, who had been reliable Republicans, began to abandon the GOP in response to the New Deal, encouraged by activists like Robert Vann to “turn Lincoln’s picture to the wall. That debt has been paid in full.”) In the 1940s, the GOP garnered only about 25 percent of southern votes. The big break came with Eisenhower’s victories. Significant percentages of white southerners voted for Ike even though the Democratic party remained firmly segregationist and even though Eisenhower backed two civil-rights bills and enforced the Brown decision by federalizing the National Guard. They also began to send GOP representatives to the House.

    These Republican gains came not from the most rural and “deep south” regions, but rather from the newer cities and suburbs. If the new southern Republican voters were white racists, one would have expected Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia to be the first to turn. Instead, as Gerard Alexander notes in “The Myth of the Racist Republicans,” the turn toward the GOP began in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, and Florida. Eisenhower did best in the peripheral states. Alexander concludes: “The GOP’s southern electorate was not rural, nativist, less educated, afraid of change, or concentrated in the . . . Deep South. It was disproportionately suburban, middle-class, educated, young, non-native southern, and concentrated in the growth points that were the least ‘Southern’ parts of the south.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386257/myth-republican-racism-mona-charen

  218. “Racism is prejudice plus power.”

    It bugs me so much when you blab this garbage.

    I know you were recently told it and you took the ball running without, as usual, your own thoughts. It’s white ivory tower bull shit. It’s also something you’ve later admitted is garbage. Perhaps in a moment of weakness.

    Power is localized or its not power at all.

    I find it beyond fathomable that my Dad has Frankenstein scars on his head because he was left for dead in a puddle of blood for the crime of being white….and that was…..your favorite word…not “racism”. Or my friend who sucked the end of a 38 special….becuase he was white.

    I hate repeating my 313 takes of woe…but damn man…

    Would you tell it to my Dad’s face that he didn’t suffer from racism? Becuase, personally, I think that one left him pretty fucked up for the rest of his life.

    We live in an era where people fake being black, not the other way around. Black privilege is institutionalized.

  219. “Racism is prejudice plus power.”
    “Power is localized or its not power at all.”

    Rutherford doesn’t understand the concept of potestas (power) vs auctoritas (authority) in its rawest form.

    A judge has the authority to have people arrested and put in jail. But he does not have the power perform those acts, himself. He requires an armed bailiff and/or a police force. Someone with power to help him enforce his authority. The famous quote: “John Marshall has made his ruling, now let him enforce it” displays this difference.

    If that judge, with all of his authority, walked down the wrong street in the wrong neighborhood, and was surrounded by a group of unsavory individuals, who has the real power in that equation? That’s a rhetorical question, because, obviously, it is not the judge.

    So Rutherford’s “racism requires power” argument isn’t necessarily wrong–but his interpretation of it is. Because he doesn’t understand what real “power” is.

  220. “@ Muffy I think looking at the electoral maps from 1948 to 1972 is very interesting.”

    I’m going to do just that. A quick look and I can see it is – very!

    ~

    The ’76 map is interesting too. Low voter turnout? Racists went back to the Democratic party until Reagan wooed them back with promises of lots and lots of racism?

  221. (That last snark wasn’t directed at you, Alfie.)

    As long as I’m back in I’ll do a cheer for Huck’s “who has the real power in that equation?” comment.

  222. Truth be told Christopher Reeve died 10 times richer than you’ll ever be and Hawking is ten times smarter.

    Really? That is rich. 😆 This world is filled with handicapped people. Then we all die. Why do you separate the physical from the mental or spiritually handicapped? How bigoted is that? 😛 You’ve also assigned a quantifying factor to rich and smart, as if to compare watts and lumens. The nod zzzs ought to string you up by your breaches nuts. Suffice it to say riches are not always tangibles and smart is acting positively based on knowledge.

    And then there’s nanny nanny boo boo

  223. “You’ve also assigned a quantifying factor to rich and smart”

    Yeah. Thanks a lot Rutherford. Making fun of my handicaps. Jerk.

  224. Clinton should just hurry up and plea guilty. Get pardoned from Obama (or she could bring him down too) and become President.

  225. I may be laughing at that comment the rest of the weekend. If folks didn’t know you, they’d think we were brothers in arms.

    Glad I can give you a laugh, but this was your guy I was defending there, pussy. I suppose a weak man like you would cower. No wonder you like him. You actually are brothers-in-arms. 🙂

  226. Before too much time elapses, I wanted to address this:

    Looks like Alfie spent 15-20 minutes refuting claims you never bothered to investigate in the face of your countless hours reading and accepting the easily disproved. How lame of you.

    No. How lame of you, Nathan Thurm. You’ve been pegged. Now let me drive that peg home. The source he uses to refute my claim only further proves it and took less than 15-20 minutes of investigation on my part. It seems the site he sourced was the actual site of the school. Until it wasn’t. And then it was again. Explain that mr i’m not a prosecutor.

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://newtown.k12.ct.us/~sh

  227. School closings are usually announced. You know, so the kids know that they gotta go elsewhere and stuff. Got anything reliable along those lines?

  228. ET we got off (I got off) the wrong side of the bed or something and got a little crazy trying to make a point. I think I see something in BLM ergo my SNCC mention. yadda yadda… there it is fwiw on public display

  229. @ James…Yes! That kind of stuff and the parallel found in the huffpo link I gave Rutherford that looks at gay rights/AIDS group ACT UP of the past.

  230. That the parties “switched” in ’68 is also a myth.

    I might agree that there is folklore to “the southern strategy” but there is zero doubt that early 60’s and before Dems were pro-segregation. 70’s and beyond they were not.

    Was there a “switch” in 68? Perhaps not. But as you all remind me on a regular basis, Dems had the most virulent racists back in the day.

  231. Even though I don’t respect BLM I am seriously thinking I am the only one who can look at them and see something other than niggers.

    Well just so I’m real clear. BLM does have a “platform” and it is much clearer than the last progressive movement, OWS. BLM fundamentally wants white cops to stop shooting unarmed black men. My only problem with them is they join the story “already in progress” and ignore key ingredients.

    In almost all the famous cases the dead black man had either just committed a crime (Brown), was committing a crime (Garner) or had a record as long as his arm (the rough ride guy). BLM is focused on the consequence of black dysfunction and not on black dysfunction itself.

    That’s really the crux of my problem. I don’t think they are deliberately creating a distraction from their own misbehavior. I think they are so deluded they don’t see the connection between black CRIME and police shootings and disproportionate incarceration.

  232. “Well just so I’m real clear. BLM does have a “platform” and it is much clearer than the last progressive movement, OWS. BLM fundamentally wants white cops to stop shooting unarmed black men.”

    That platform is not reflected in this exchange and the fact that he presents no real platform or no plan of action leaves him open for what Hillary tells him.

    I don’t like Hillary even 1 iota, but she gave that entire movement some really good advice if they truly are interested in something more than making noise–which I am not yet convinced they are interested in.

    I don’t see BLM as a bunch of black people. I see them as a child throwing a tantrum to get attention.

  233. I know you were recently told it and you took the ball running without, as usual, your own thoughts.

    Yeah if recently was the mid to late 1980’s. I heard it on, of all places, The Morton Downey Show and it stuck with me.

    We’re not talking about a black who is bigoted against whites and acts on it, as was the regrettable case of your dad, for which I’m sorry. But the “white race” has for centuries had nothing to fear from “the black race” because at the snap of a finger they could destroy blacks if they wanted to.

    The racism=prejudice+power speaks to large scale racism, not the acts of lone bigots.

    The reason I stopped using it as a rhetorical device is that it IS losing its strength. We have a black president, attorney general and a good number of black business leaders. The excuse that it’s whitey’s fault is becoming weak.

  234. I’ve heard a couple of warring perspectives on Hillary’s response to the BLM guy. One side says she was tone deaf. Another says she was practical (i.e. You don’t change minds, you change laws). The jury is out with me on this. What bothers me is the opening premise of the BLM guy that Bill Clinton’s 1990’s policies were somehow the fault of Hillary. Makes no damn sense.

    As for the rest of today’s discussion it was pretty exhausting reading it. I think Poolman may win the prize for suggesting Trump is a Hillary plant. It IS almost the most logical read on what’s going on.

  235. Well with most of us badmouthing BLM, it was nice to see one black life that really did matter…the dude who along with the other three guys tackled that terrorist asshole on the French train.

  236. That’s messed up Tex. Who makes that gear box? Did you notice he holds first until about 75mph. Nice!

    How’d you like the last shift at about 225mph? LOL. Those guys are out of Houston. If I thought they would give me a tour of the shop, next time I went to see Mom, I would stop in. They’d run some poor man like me out on a rail most likely.

  237. “it was nice to see one black life that really did matter…the dude who along with the other three guys tackled that terrorist asshole on the French train.” R

    Weird….becuase I didn’t notice. I really didn’t. Just saw them as men. Is one of them black?

  238. “They’d run some poor man like me out on a rail most likely.”

    Have you got an English accent in your tool box? Just tell them you’re the advance man for “Top Gear” 🙂

  239. You he men are going to think I’ve turned into a real old lady and pink pussycat, but I have had great fun this year starting my butterfly garden. 😳 I gave up on tomatoes because the squirrels were smarter than I was and the little plague carrying bastards picked me clean.

    My 80 year old hippie neighbor and greenie (she is a master gardener) shook my hand the other day for being so “environmentally conscience.” LOL

    I like to watch Monarchs and Swallowtails and apparently they’re having a hard go of it. So I bought as many native milkweed plants as I could find and planted them for Mother’s Day earlier this spring. My wife digs those kind of “thoughtful ideas.”

    Perhaps the most gorgeous thing I have ever seen in my life was about 20 years ago, we had an unbelievable Monarch migration. My neighbor has these massive trees in her backyard and one silver maple, at least 60ft tall was so covered in Monarchs, it looked yellow and orange.

    Unbelievably beautiful. Here’s an NG pic.

  240. The air quality is so bad here right now, we’re considering taking off for a few days. Yesterday visibility was down to a half mile. Saw some people wearing masks. Reminds me of St. Helens.

  241. 13% of the population commits 52% of the homicides. I’m only human, dude.

    I judge all men on their own merit.

  242. A strong cold front moved by late yesterday afternoon, and a line of heavy to severe thunderstorms developed over our farm. They interrupted the local town celebration of the return of WW1 veterans. 30 to 40 MPH wind behind the front mixed down clouds of smoke from the Pacific Northwest. A meteorologist described the smoke as miserable.

    On the September day terrorists attacked the US, my brother had taken time off so the two of us could hike in the Loess Hills. We decided to continue because there was nothing we could do. A flock of migrating monarch butterflies had stopped on our farm. The smaller tree limbs sagged from the weight of the butterflies. Our yard looked like Tex’s picture.

    Several weeks later, a lone monarch butterfly flew from the northeast over and beyond our yard.

  243. Nice James. Got a few stragglers in my yard right now too.

    I’d take the family and run a few days, Thor. No sense exposing your lungs to that crap if the kids activities permit. I remember that rancid smoke was pretty rough on my throat.

  244. “….Bill Clinton’s 1990’s policies were somehow the fault of Hillary. Makes no damn sense.”- R

    Rutherford, make no mistake. Hillary’s title may have been FLOTUS versus POTUS but in truth she reigned in the WH. She attended Bill’s morning briefings and had her own morning briefings with her appointed Cabinet. I’m not sure Bill made any decisions especially after Monica without HRC’s okay. In fact IMO that was the compromise she handed down after the Monica debacle. I feel HRC has already had her turn at the WH and doesn’t deserve a “third term”!!!

  245. Good for you Tex. I have two butterfly bushes but this year they seemed to be more attracted to my Tiger lilies.

    Thor I would move out for awhile. I lived through the FL wildfires back in the 90’s and we including the animals coughed for a month.

    Well I’m finally back on line after dealing with a data usage problem. My jetpack was calculating data I was not using. I couldn’t prove it until the day I connected but did not do anything and was told I used 568MB. I now can calculate my own data and compare it to VW data. Amazing after doing a reset on my hotspot it now calculates correctly. That was a $50 error that of course I won’t recoup from VW. Anyone else here use a hotspot?

  246. Meet the Press is a fucking joke. The whole second half of the show, the Hillary part, was nothing on the scandal itself. Instead, its how does Hillary navigate the undeserved bad press.

    Everybody on there talks about how it shouldn’t be a big deal but she should do this or that to win the primary.

    Cliché: Fuck the MSM.

  247. “You he men are going to think I’ve turned into a real old lady and pink pussycat, but I have had great fun this year starting my butterfly garden”

    I’ve never heard of such a thing. My kids would love that.

    Although a Moth bush might be a little more manly. My wife seems to have a real phobia of moths. I brought a big green one in the house last year and she actually started crying while screaming the F word at me.

  248. Hmmm…I’m not familiar with Tiger Lillies, Raji. I looked at their pictures and they look almost identical to what I refer to as ‘Day Lillies’ and have throughout my yard from the previous owner. And they generally peak around here in June and I have never noticed any of the winged insects being particular drawn to them. I will make it a point to observe next Spring.

    What I do have that attracts bees by the hundreds, mostly bumble bees/queen bees are Delaware Azaleas (the large all white azaleas). They are not my favorite azalea by any stretch, but I inherited these things too, a few which are now monstrously big – so much so, I had to relocate them because they had reach the roof of my house.

    Of course, being it’s only now I’m beginning to learn about these things, I’m probably demonstrating my personal ignorance; my ignorance in gardening say being equivalent to Rutherford’s ignorance in politic, economics, religion, and “black people.” 😈 Just kiddin’, R.

    Are these Tigre lillies fragrant?

    How’s your “system” set up, Raji. I’m not only going to demonstrating my gardening ignorance. I’m going to demonstrate how dated I am with respect to Wifi.

    I always thought of Hotspots to the ‘net’ like public access – something like Starbucks, say in comparison to my private router.

    And I will admit, I am starting to be disgusted with the performance of my ISP, my cable provider on my list of things to divorce when the opportunity arises. If I could find a good alternative, I would do it tomorrow. 😡

  249. Raji is also right about the former 1st lady, Shrillary, being our first female President. No less that the Serial Rapist, Slick Clinton, announced her as a twofer when he was running the first time, before the nation groaned and Slick retracted like the worm he is.

    Anybody remember that little diddly? I guess getting old has its advantages. At least you have lived some of history. I remember all too well how feckless Jimmy Carter was, for instance.

    As to Rabbit’s point, yesterday there were large demonstrations in front of most Planned Parenthood clinics? Anybody seen that covered by the limp media? No?

    As someone smarter than me once observed, the biggest crime is not what the corrupt American media chooses to cover. The biggest crime is what the media refuses to cover.

  250. This year, we have had smoke from northern Canada and Alaska. Yesterday, some blew from the Pacific Northwest. If you can get away for a few days, it would be good.

    I rarely watch the Sunday morning talk shows for the reasons Rabbit wrote.

    I think Ragi is right about Hillary in the White House. I met a writer with connections with MS Magazine on a blog, and we saw each other in person.

    She was a liberal who hated Bill Clinton. They attended the same university in England. Bill was serial abuser even then.

    Bill had a long history, possibly as a sometimes rapist. Hillary had so much on him that she could have made him crown her queen had she wanted him to.

    A fantasy is that Trump and Clinton run against each other. Trump wins and as his opening part of the victory speech, he says “You’re fired.”

    We are low tech, so I have no idea about Hot Spot.

  251. What you want in a media system is ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity. –Joseph Goebbels

    Any wonder why Obama, Hill and the useful idiot Progs hate Fox News, so much so they don’t even hide the attempt to try and destroy it? There’s why.

  252. We have no cable or satalite. We use the required digital converter box and an electric antenna in the attack. Since we are mid way between Omaha and Sioux City, we get 40 channels if the antenna is aimed right.

    Our television is eleven years old, and we record with a DVD. We also have one to convert video
    tape to DVD.

    Our son in law has purchased as many fancy toys as are on sale. The system is wonderful when it works. Our daughter has had to call him at work and sometimes he controls the television and computer from his cell phone to get things operating again.

    I prefer the simple life.

  253. Rutherford recently took issue with my writing that Fox, though biased, is a legitimate news source while most of the others are propaganda organs.

    The anti-Planned Parenthood demonstrations and the shortage of news coverage when the videos were released helps prove my point.

    I enjoy being right.

  254. Well it’s encouraging to see that a majority of blacks polled favor “all lives matter” over “black lives matter”.

    But the real headline from Tex’s article should have been:

    Rasmussen asks black people what they think!!!!! 😳😳😳😳😳

  255. When those inane nags from Fat Grannies attempt to explain to everyone next time how much they are empowering younger women with their idiocy and persistent “vagina talk”, throw this article in their face about their new and improved female empowerment. 🙄 Rutherford, I really am starting to understand how Obama won the 2012 Presidency. Even the insufferable Dear Abby knew enough to ask “why buy the cow when the milk is free?”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/08/tinder-hook-up-culture-end-of-dating

    P.S. – My own daughters were taught by their father as I am sure Rutherford’s will be, they are of infinite more worth than this….perhaps that is a Dad’s true responsibility with raising young girls.

  256. “I looked at their pictures and they look almost identical to what I refer to as ‘Day Lillies’”

    The colors are can be very similar, depending on the variety.

    Tiger Lililes have like spots or stripes on every petal or every other petal and grow up to about 6-8 inches or so from the ground. And you get like 1 or 2 flowers per bulb. The flowers last a couple weeks under the proper conditions. When the flowers die the petals whither and fall off.

    Day Lililes don’t tend have that “tiger stripe” or spotted pattern and the stems can get really tall, producing several flowers per stem, which last 1 day. Then they close up and turn to mush while still on the stem.

    Also, the Tiger Lililes have leaves that tend to go all the way up to the flower, while Day Lilly leaves originate closer to the ground, and get so long that they arch and touch the ground again at the ends.

    That’s all just based on the ones we have, anyway. My wife has a nice little flower garden I like to enjoy on mild desert evenings.

  257. Day lillies are tough. Patches of the flowers still grow on empty spots where pioneer homes used to stand. I like them.

  258. Well Huck, had I known we had a gardener here on the premises, I might have come looking for a little advice. You could have saved me hundreds in a wasted effort.

    My “gardening skills” have given my wife more ammunition than she would need in ten lifetimes to humiliate me. I’ve got some absolutely gorgeous burning bushes now about 15′ tall that turn fire engine red at Christmas – prettiest in the neighborhood. I never gave thought where I planted them would require you to walk to my back fence to see them. You can’t view them from one damn window in my house. I have no idea what the hell I was thinking. My neighbor behind me has complimented me numerous times about how pretty they are in winter, though. 😡

    I wouldn’t know what to do with myself if I couldn’t be talked into buying things at the nursery to plant, only to get to dig them up (like I will do this afternoon) two years later and try something else. I’ve actually run out of room transplanting screw ups for the dogs to tear up, and this bush will be transplanted behind the shed. It can die for all I care but I can’t in good conscience throw a perfectly good plant in the garbage can, though I should.

    The tag told me it would be 3-4′ wide with beautiful purple berries. It was 3-4′ wide two months after I planted it and the berries are so small, it looks green to me. 😡 It would have been growing through my daughter’s bedroom wall if I hadn’t gotten out the pruner.

    I have a whole backyard of misfit plants that I have gotten to transplant.

  259. From the Daily Mirror which quoted Fox News, a true news reporter, a massive explosion was at an ammunition depot on a US base.

  260. I can’t speak to bushes and shrubs. We really just do flowers (and weeds). But some of the things to think about when planning stuff is:

    –What area size/shape are you wanting to cover?
    –Height of flowers. You want the tallest stuff in the back (if you are planting more that 1 type in the same area).
    –When during the season–or even which season–they grow. The idea is to have as much constant coverage as possible. So when 1 is dying out for the year something else is starting to come up.
    –Does it require you to actively replant? Some things reproduce under the ground, some drop their own seeds, and some require help from you in the reproduction process.

    Look on Google and Pinterest and things like that to get ideas. Some people like a variety of colors at once for larger areas, others like a solid color at a time for borders. Some things grow better in 1 part of the yard than in others. And experimenting can be part of the enjoyment. There’s always next year.

  261. Tex this is what my Tiger Lilies look like. I didn’t plant them, they just popped up with my Day Lilies.
    They are fragrant, more so than the regular lily.

    I have Version Wireless WiFi. I recently got more 4G towers but sometimes it bounces around to 3G depending on the traffic. I live in the boonies. They are portable I gather but I don’t use it that way. They come password protected for what that’s worth. Yes, it is a similar system to Starbucks and McDonalds. It really wasn’t designed for large amounts of download data and I think that’s when it goes haywire and reports data you didn’t use. Of course VW swears that can’t happen. The plan is reasonable, $50 for 5GB, $80 for 10GB and if you go over it’s $10 per GB. Before this I only had access to Dial-up

  262. The whole second half of the show, the Hillary part, was nothing on the scandal itself.

    Rabbit ain’t an MTP kinda guy so I was skeptical of this comment.

    After watching all of Meet the Press I have to wonder what Rabbit was doing when Amy Walter asked “why did she have her own server?”? What was Rabbit doing when the Hispanic republican Aguilar said that Hillary appears to be dishonest? What was Rabbit doing during part of the “second half of the show” when Chuck Todd interviewed Carly Fiorina and she kicked ass (again)?

    Rabbit, I get the frustration when they talk about the politics and not about the deceit and possible crimes. I get why Howard Dean pisses you off.

    But your “whole second half of the show” remark demonstrates you really were not paying attention.

    And sadly, doofuses like Tigre will back your assessment and not mine when I actually watched the show AND paid attention.

  263. Fuck off MSNBC drone.

    DR, worry not. I didn’t watch the show. I watch MSNBC in the mornings though. And that’s the universe of Rutherford’s view of politics. His denials are pure bullshit. It’s all he knows.

  264. And I will admit, I am starting to be disgusted with the performance of my ISP, my cable provider on my list of things to divorce when the opportunity arises. If I could find a good alternative, I would do it tomorrow. 😡

    I’m calling to make the switch tomorrow. I have cable and I friggin love the 60 MBPS download speed but the sucker knocks me off the net several times a day, often while doing my paid job. I’ve had several visits. It’s never their fault. I’ve had it. I’m done.

    Gonna call for a switch to DSL tomorrow. I’m not happy dropping down to 18 MBPS but it’s kinda like hi-def video … frankly the quality difference escapes me. 18 MBPS is probably pretty damn fast and will meet my needs.

    ATT will try to talk me into switching my tv too. Not doing it. I’m very happy with the TV service. It’s just the damn internet that’s killing me.

    Of course now that it knows I’m fed up, it’s working flawlessly today. 😡😡😡😡

  265. yesterday there were large demonstrations in front of most Planned Parenthood clinics?

    I was curious about the timing. We saw protesters here in Naperville on Friday and Saturday. Sheeeeut I didn’t even know we had a PP here.

    Sorry to sound like a pussy (again) but I drove past a couple of protesters Friday and I actually felt intimidated. And for no good reason. They didn’t shove their sign in my face or yell at me. Still, my fight or flight protocol started to kick in.

  266. ny wonder why Obama, Hill and the useful idiot Progs hate Fox News, so much so they don’t even hide the attempt to try and destroy it? There’s why.

    You’ve confused me Tex. if BO and HRC were playing by Goebbels rules they would welcome Fox as the diversity of opinion that conceals the uniformity. In other words, by Goebbels approach they’d want MSNBC and Fox.

  267. perhaps that is a Dad’s true responsibility with raising young girls.

    And that’s just one of many reasons why runaway dads are reprehensible. No male role model in the home to re enforce the child’s self esteem.

  268. Fuck off MSNBC drone.

    Hey ignoramus: Meet the Press isn’t on MSNBC. If you were looking for it there, of course you didn’t see it.

    And msnbc’s most partisan coverage is at night. Not in the morning.

    What a maroon!!!

    Contribute next time you have something intelligent to say.

  269. Tex your concept of hotspot via Starbucks is just about there. I view a hotspot as simply a wireless access point to the Internet. If you have a wireless router (connected to a DSL or Cable modem), then essentially that’s your hotspot and you’re getting access to the net from your phone/cable provider.

    In Raji’s case the providers don’t give the consumer a DSL or Cable option so instead the phone provider gives them a portable hotspot device which communicates with cell towers (used by cell phones) to get the Internet stream.

    So in my case, let’s say my cable internet goes down. I can turn on my iPhone’s hotspot capability and then get connectivity via my cellular connection. All my other devices would simply find my phone as a wifi access point and then they’re on the net. Voila!

    Most DSL/Cable providers charge by download speed. Internet via cellular charges by data used.

  270. “Hey ignoramus: Meet the Press isn’t on MSNBC. If you were looking for it there, of course you didn’t see it.”

    I didn’t say it was, MSNBC Drone.

    I’d invite you to contribute next time you have something intelligent to say too, but that would shut the blog down.

    Imagine if you turned off MSNBC and read. Wowzers.

  271. Rutherford, I do love it when you get all defensive over your teevee heroes. Really touches a nerve with you. And that speaks for itself.

    Chuck Todd. Gee, where have seen him before?

  272. I really wish you HAD watched Meet the Press so you could make a valuable contribution. At the very least you could’ve seen Carly acquit herself incredibly well.

    I hope she makes it to the CNN main debate. She really deserves to be there.

  273. It’s not defensiveness at all. Rabbit grossly mischaracterized the show. I particularly loved the “whole second half” reference. Giving him the Benny of the doubt, he probably casually turned it on thinking the first 30 mins were the second 30 mins.

    AND if you read my answer to him (really read it) you’d see that I tipped my hat to his frustration. There was a lot of talk about the POLITICS and not about the misdeeds themselves.

    Coverage of politics has become largely inside-baseball stuff and not discussion of right and wrong.

  274. My own liberal mother in law still has no clue why the FBI is investigating Hillary.

    Bill Maher basically tells her its doesn’t matter Hillary is too important. Harecore liberals truely believe she is above the law. And should be.

    Discussion after discussion about how Hillary can politically navigate this.

    Nothing about how Hillary can legally navigate this.

    Isn’t that normal the talk when some one is being investigated by the FBI?

    Are they guilty ofca crime?

    Nothing about the seriousness of it all. Why it was dangerous.

    “It appears Hillary is lying.” I heard her. It was an appearance problem, we are told.

    Hillary has already been caught in the lies. There is no appearance. Remember, she only wanted one smart phone? Lie. I could go on. Appearance?

    The lies are never totaled and sumerized. The possible crime never explained. The incompetence (that’s not even debatable) never broken down.

  275. “Coverage of politics has become largely inside-baseball stuff and not discussion of right and wrong”.

    I’m confused. So you agree with me.

  276. Bill Maher basically tells her its doesn’t matter Hillary is too important.

    Bill Maher massively pissed me off Friday night. Idiot clearly didn’t even know what a server was and called the scandal partisan “nothing to see here”.

    I’m at a point where I only watch Real Time for the guests and panelists. Maher is a first class asshole, hypocrite, and I might add classic lib bigot. Notice how he NEVER lets a black joke about Obama go by. But when he does it, it’s irony, not bigotry.

    Pure asshole.

  277. Rabbit, you need to spend a few minutes listening to Ron Founier, a self professed friend of the Clinton’s. His critiques are scorching going so far as to say she’s not fit for POTUS. Google him. You’ll find it satisfying.

  278. I’m confused. So you agree with me.

    If you go back and read my comment again I fully agree with the basis of your complaint, just not how you painted this particular edition of the show. You correctly called out the inside baseball piece but didn’t mention any contrary views that WERE expressed nor the very good Fiorina interview. I think you overplayed the bias.

  279. Well, I should probably admit right now I didn’t even know Fiorina was on the show.

    I stand by what I said of the entire Clinton part.

  280. but I drove past a couple of protesters Friday and I actually felt intimidated. And for no good reason. They didn’t shove their sign in my face or yell at me. Still, my fight or flight protocol started to kick in.
    Were you driving the battery beemer?

  281. Rutherford if you go down to DSL how do you run all your “neat” stuff?
    I have FiOS and although I never imagined I’d be the guy doing it but damn if I’m not bouncing 9 and soon 10 devices off the router. Inside my house for example all our phones run off wifi not the 4gLTE

  282. So I see BLM has released a 10 point manifesto about what they’re about. Its pretty lame list all things considered and shows a lack of depth. I kind of thought that given the time and fans as it were of the “movement” they might have come up with some credible stuff. FAIL

  283. “AND if you read my answer to him (really read it) you’d see that I tipped my hat to his frustration. There was a lot of talk about the POLITICS and not about the misdeeds themselves.”

    Something, something, Tigre’s a doofus. . .you didn;t watch cosely enough. .. something, something.

    Sorry. I don’t put much into you critiques/reviews of biased teevee. I know your anchor. You are quite sensitive when your “friends” are criticized.

    I assure you, the way you view television and your connection to it bears no resemblance whatsoever to mine, and I’m quite sure DR.

    You should read more. Seriously.

  284. Interestingly Alfie, the only devices in the house pulling 60mbps are the two computers hard wired to the router. All the wireless stuff is getting about 20. I expect the move to DSL will mostly impact my work PC and my Lenovo laptop. My wife’s and daughters laptops are connected wirelessly as of course are the phones and kindles and iPod.

  285. You should read more. Seriously.

    Actually, I don’t really argue with that although heaven knows there’s nothing sacred about the written word that somehow makes it inherently more honest, learned, or unbiased. What’s the difference between my watching a lot of MSNBC and my reading New Republic or The Nation magazine? I’d put MSNBC up against World Nut Daily any day of the week.

    But stay tuned. Next comment will bother you even more.

  286. Hello. My name is Rutherford and I am a podcast addict.

    It started simply enough with Slate Political Gabfest. Then came Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History, then Dan Carlin’s Common Sense, then Marc Maron’s WTF, and now Sam Seder’s Majority Report. That’s not including replays of Larry Elder’s radio show.

    I spend half the night on TV, the other half on podcasts and I don’t get enough sleep.

    Help me!!! 😩😩😩😩😩

  287. Thank you alfie for doing the work I was too lazy to do. I don’t care enough about BLM to worry about what I already suspected. A police officer was shot today, and bystanders captured the bad guy. Those black racists care as much about that police man as i do them.

    So Bill Mayer is an anal sphincter? Rutherford, whether you know it or not, you are evolving in a good way.

    Our son in Silicon Valley has been telling me as Carley did, for months that the drought has been exacerbated because of the liberal policies of the last forty years. A water main broke near their house People grabbed pails to water their lawns. Someone loaded a pickup full of water.

  288. My rooted phone is my computer. Nerd rant:

    Since I hacked it, which took me 24 hours of obsessive work becuase I am an utter moron, my phone has

    No adds in the internet browser. None.

    No adds in YouTube. None. No more of those 5 second add stuff.

    I can theme the phone any way I want.

    My sound is of audiophile quality. I have all new audio software and can fine tune FLAK files for impeccable sound quality.

    I can delete anything I want off my phone. No apps are sacred. Bloatware all gone.

    I can hybernate anything I’m not using, giving me 20% more battery.

    I can go to YouTube, play some thing and navigate away and still listen.

    Phone is supper snappy. Faster then anything in American stores.

    Camera was improved but I don’t understand how.

    I can send fake data to apps that harvest information off my phone. App still runs, info on me no go. (I don’t assume I full privacy but I have a 100 times more then the average person).

    If so inclined, I can run everything through a VPN.

    I can access my files on my PC, delete them, copy them etc without plugging in the USB.

    And bunc of other stuff I don’t get.

    I basically turned my Note 4 into a Note 6 and the shitty Note 5 just now got released (they got rid of battery access and the ability to but an sd-card in- my phone a total of 80 gig)

  289. Now that you’ve “renovated” your phone I hope you can maintain that sucker if something goes south.

    What are you doing for data backup? I’m not familiar with the android approach to it even though my wife has a Note. iPhone makes backup pretty easy.

  290. “What’s the difference between my watching a lot of MSNBC and my reading New Republic or The Nation magazine?”

    Jesus. I guess I needed to say “read to learn not for validation.” 🙄

    How many times have you been challenged to turn of MSNBC for a couple of weeks?

    How have you responded?

  291. I guess I needed to say “read to learn not for validation.”

    If I found your own talking points less aligned with the GOP party line, I might take that advice more seriously. 😊

  292. “If I found your own talking points less aligned with the GOP party line, I might take that advice more seriously.”

    Yes. I am conservative. Therefore, you should not take my advice. That’s perfectly logical. Your reading and my political affiliation are hand-in-glove. 🙄

    How about not trying to validate in response to my comment about validation. Just read more. You want to know more about global warming, go and learn. You want to learn about SCOTUS decisions read the fucking things. You want to know about the Iran deal Obama is proposing — there’s tons.

    So much resistance from you. I swear, all I see is The Cable Guy when you talk about your glutinous teevee viewing habits. You don’t even respond to the MSNBC fasting challenge. Inconceivable, isn’t it?

  293. heaven knows there’s nothing sacred about the written word that somehow makes it inherently more honest, learned, or unbiased – R

    Say what? 🙂

    Although it is possible for the written word and the spoken word to share all these attributes, I find the process of writing to be much more contemplative and speech to be reactive. The written word is also exposed to a higher degree of scrutiny. I would hope this would lend it to a higher degree of honesty as well.

    Bias is present in any human endeavor.

    As for learned, speech was developed nearly 200,000 years ago, the written word only about 5,000 years ago. One could argue that it requires a more developed brain to write than to talk, to read than to listen. The brain actually views spoken words and written words (of the same language) as two different languages.

    Writers and lawyers do a lot of reading. Pundits and politicians like to hear the sound of their own voice. You do the math. 🙂

  294. Thor, your points are well taken but I’m making the very simple point that one can read just as selectively as one can listen.

    How many times have I dismissed an article in World Net Daily after reading only the headline because I know it’s written and edited by nutjobs? How many times have Tex and Tigre dismissed anything from Daily Kos?

    This notion that purity of thought prevails and confirmation bias disappears just because the word is written, not spoken, is absurd.

    I plead guilty that I don’t read nearly enough. Getting any info (in sync or contrary to my beliefs) comes easier to me aurally vs reading.

    By example, I found learning Spanish much easier than German. It had to do with the pedagogy. Spanish was taught to me conversationally first, then writing and reading. German was taught to me the opposite way.

    What I won’t tolerate is a conservative telling me he’s better informed because he reads National Review instead of watching Fox News. Propaganda is propaganda.

  295. Tex perhaps I did. I thought he was saying present a false sense of diversity so folks don’t notice that the status quo is anything but diverse. My bad if I’m not getting it.

  296. Propaganda is propaganda.

    A false assumption that both sources are equally truthful. And since you refuse to admit anything tilting conservative could be truth, the problem isn’t the source. It’s you. And that is Tigre’s point. Sorry, not buying it.

  297. As for learned, speech was developed nearly 200,000 years ago, the written word only about 5,000 years ago

    You know what always amused me about this statement? – not you, Thor. This is just repeating the current theory.

    How in the hell would anybody be able to prove this? The 200,000 years of speech? Evolutionists get bent when I ask them to simply produce a human skeleton that is 20,000 years old. Instead they revert back to a jaw bone 2.8M years old or some other “proof” like that. 😈

    They get really bent when I ask them why do you swallow statements of “fact” like this without question, but question the authenticity of the authors of the Bible, even if you don’t believe the message being that almost half of it is less than 2,000 years old, with written proof within 60 years of the source? Is it because somebody claims they are a scientist that it immediately becomes valid without physical proof?

    Anyone honest would question these conclusions – of these ‘anthropologists’ that is.

    To me, there’s a real disconnect when somebody talks about 35,000 years this, or 200,000 years that, when we know for a pretty well documented fact, the oldest known civilizations are at best sometime around 5,500-3,500 B.C. I think anything before that is subject to real scrutiny, and real scrutiny by the so called scientific community never seems to be forthcoming with answers to my questions.

    But it turns them indignant, followed by invective to point that inconvenient fact out.

  298. Perhaps Spanish is just easier to learn than German. 🙂

    There is so much more than the words going on in conversation. TV can manipulate every aspect of your experience. I propose a different MSNBC experiment for you. Instead of just not watching it at all for a week, try substituting reading the transcripts of your favorite shows instead of watching. I guarantee, even the cast of your favorite, Morning Joe, will be reduced to blathering dumbasses. You probably won’t even make it through a week.

  299. Tex, I think such assumptions are based on carbon degradation and the size and shape of the skulls in question. To say we “know” these things is probably a leap of faith. To say it’s our best guess based on what we currently understand might be more accurate. But your point is well taken.

  300. The problem with carbon dating, Thor, is that is highly susceptible to contamination. While in theory, Carbon 13 is an excellent tool in that the half life is exact and short by testing standards, it is highly unlikely you would ever get to work with perfectly clean samples – and “separating” the samples is in itself inexact.

    To this day, written history and artifacts are still the best way to determine age range for a civilization. And that is what you will see most anthropologists using in these documentaries of theirs. So when they go beyond “civilization” and physical evidence that you can hold, I start getting real suspicious about how these anthropologists and paleontologists arrived at many of their “conclusions.”

    I actually enjoy good science. Find it utterly fascinating. I don’t question it when it follows the rules and follow wherever the results lead. For instance, I buy that the universe is billions of years old. In fact, IMO it is probably easier to date the age of the universe (red blue spectral analysis) than it is to determine the real age of the earth – most of that done by the less precise geological strata and the like. However, I don’t dispute the earth billions of years old. Whether it 2 billion or 6 billion doesn’t invalidate science’s claims and assumptions about most of their findings.

    But too much of what is passing as scholarship these days, especially about the evolutionary path of man, doesn’t hold up to any scrutiny and would appear to me to me driven much more by agenda than real science and forensics. And that pisses me off as a student of science.

  301. This seems plausible to me. 😛

    A gunman who attacked passengers on a high-speed train in France two days ago is “dumbfounded” at having been taken for an Islamist militant and says he only intended to rob people on board because he was hungry, his lawyer said on Sunday.

    As details emerged of the gunman’s early adult life in Spain, lawyer Sophie David said her client — now in detention near Paris — also looked ill and malnourished.

    French and Spanish sources close to the case have identified him as a 26-year-old Moroccan named Ayoub el Khazzani who was known to European authorities as a suspected Islamist militant.

    “(I saw) somebody who was very sick, somebody very weakened physically, as if he suffered from malnutrition, very, very thin and very haggard,” David told BFMTV.

    “He is dumbfounded by the terrorist motives attributed to his action,” she added.

    David said the man was barefoot and wore only a hospital shirt and boxer shorts for the police interrogation in Arras, northern France, where the train stopped after the incident.

    The Moroccan told David he had found the Kalashnikov he had taken onto the train in a park near the Gare du Midi rail station in Brussels where he was in the habit of sleeping.

    “A few days later he decided to get on a train that some other homeless people told him would be full of wealthy people traveling from Amsterdam to Paris and he hoped to feed himself by armed robbery,” David said.

    The lawyer said the Moroccan had untreated wounds on his face when he spoke to her through an interpreter. He also told David he did not think he had fired any shots before his gun jammed.

  302. Of course, the “terrorist claims he was only hungry” thing begs the question: why didn’t he sell some of his many guns to get food? You could eat a long time on the proceeds from an AK-47.

  303. Rutherford, your case against turning off the MSNBC and doing some reading is LAME. I hope you’re not so deluded you think anyone buys it.

  304. Scientists are like the rest of us. Ego and personalities guide them as well as agendas and the search for the truth.

    The Clovis Point, human caused global warming, Fins as Asians , and Neanderthals and our branch of the family sharing no biological commonality are examples of the errors of certitude.

    Another is declaring Fox News to be something other than a new organization while accepting the truth of MSNBC or Jon Stewart.

  305. “Of course, the “terrorist claims he was only hungry” thing begs the question: why didn’t he sell some of his many guns to get food? You could eat a long time on the proceeds from an AK-47.”

    A: Teach a man to fish. 😆

  306. @ Rutherford I find the kos entry to be a red herring. Articles from such sources as the BBC,The Root and HuffPo all identify folks like McKeeson as “BLM” activists and in all cases the sentence structure indicates Mr McKeeson provides the info as such.
    Instead of the journalists and the “journalists” being taken to task I think I’ll say let the activists be taken to task.
    I’ll say one thing this minor issue dustup of who who is indicative of BLM being a shill of higher order puppet masters.

  307. “What are you doing for data backup? ”

    I set up entire OS systems I can flash into recovery If I need to. I can also run a program that restores all system and app settings of a given Rom.

    You can only do this if your carrier is Sprint or Verizon. There is no hack for ATT&T. A bounty exists for it.

  308. “Another is declaring Fox News to be something other than a new organization while accepting the truth of MSNBC or Jon Stewart.”

    Oh Rutherford is full of shit. MSNBC a Stewart are like a warm woobie. They’re like his friends. Always there for him. 😆

    As for reading, Rutherford you sound like a fat man saying there’s no point in changing diet and exercise because it’s just that his metabolism is slow or the doctor has a few extra pounds.

    If this is directed at me, you’ve got it wrong:

    “What I won’t tolerate is a conservative telling me he’s better informed because he reads National Review instead of watching Fox News. Propaganda is propaganda.” -R

    Oh, we wouldn’t you to “tolerate” that? Why that’s intolerable!

    You’re the damnest Ivy Leaguer I ever encountered. You’re unashamed of insisting on feel-good propaganda as your primary source of information — until called on it. Almost no intellectual curiosity or initiative.

    Do you realize how many questions you pose here for a quick spoon feed answer or as some kind of “challenge (e.g. find me a definition of. . . and I’ll admit something or another”) rather than just looking for yourself?

    My all time favorite: I will believe what a liberal tells about the Constitution but never a conservative (to paraphrase). Like reading any portion of this less-than-daunting document and look into it is too much to do on your own. 🙄

  309. Thor’s fake Dow Jones growth he likes to brag about is a satchel full of rhinestones.

    Looks like the Fed won’t be raising rates again. Cough….shocked.

  310. All kind of ‘good’ tidbits this morning. Why does your kid need to go to college again? Remember when Graychin used to use new retirees as the explanation for low work force participation rates? He is still doing so on the T-World, by the way – the same T-World who boots Conservatives from their commenting roles. 😈

    Nearly 7 million Americans have gone at least a year without making a payment on their federal student loans, a high level of default that suggests a widening swath of households are unable or unwilling to pay back their school debt. As of July, 6.9 million Americans with student loans hadn’t sent a payment to the government in at least 360 days, quarterly data from the Education Department showed this past week. That was up 6%, or 400,000 borrowers, from a year earlier.

    That translates into about 17% of all borrowers with federal loans being severely delinquent, a share that would be even higher if borrowers currently in school who aren’t yet required to repay were excluded. Millions of other borrowers are months behind but haven’t hit the 360-day threshold that the government defines as a default.

    Severe delinquencies are rising despite the sharp drop in unemployment over the past year and a big push by the Obama administration to enroll borrowers in programs that lower their monthly payments.

  311. “Wonder when even the Obama bootlickers will agree with me there has been no real recovery.”

    But….but…but…unemployment is down. Oh yeah….and give me $15 to flip burgers or greet Wal-Mart shoppers because I can’t feed my kids AND buy an iPhone on the minimum wage job I got in this recovery.

  312. And since you refuse to admit anything tilting conservative could be truth, the problem isn’t the source.

    That’s actually not true. I think several conservative principles are quite praiseworthy, fiscal moderation and self sufficiency among them.

  313. Tex, as a side note to your evolution comments, my wife and I were discussing a fly infestation in our apartment (shut up Tigre) and my wife’s theory was that it related to the adjacent apartment getting a new paint job.

    Wife: I read that flies like the smell and mistake the glossy finish for water.

    Me: ehhhh who knows what a fly thinks????

    Forget anthropology Tex, I think a bit of CURRENT science is arrogant man thinking he can answer EVERY question there is.

    I’m sorry, it’s a helluva lot easier to know the “mind” of a dog than the “mind” of a fly.

  314. I’ve painted a lot of rooms and never had a fly problem. You sure it’s not the stove top? 🙂

    On a less humorous note, I bought one of those fly catchers that drown the flies because I couldn’t open up the garage door without letting two flies in. It warns you not to hang it in a location without ventilation. I understand why now. The first one, my bigger dog ripped off the fence and all the fluid ran out. His head stinks like s___ now.

    The second one, I hung on the fence were Sarge couldn’t reach it. The trap smells so obnoxious when I open up the side door in the garage, I’m thinking maybe I prefer the flies in the house.

    Just awful on a 100 degree day.

  315. I set up entire OS systems I can flash into recovery If I need to. I can also run a program that restores all system and app settings of a given Rom.

    I can’t decide if you’re my tech hero or a damn fool.

  316. When it comes to Trump I feel like a manic depressive. One minute I completely get why he’s leading and then in the next I’m thinking, this has to be some grand farce.

  317. I would like to think there are a bunch of Peggy Hubbards in the world. But I’m afraid I would find out I am wrong. There is a woman who deserves better than to have her kid in jail.

  318. “What’s YOUR theory on the mind of flies?”

    I think if flies understood just how badly we want them all to fuck off they’d have an existential crisis. -Holden Caulfield maybe? Dead Rabbit?

  319. “I would like to think there are a bunch of Peggy Hubbards in the world. But I’m afraid I would find out I am wrong. There is a woman who deserves better than to have her kid in jail.”

    This woman is representative of most black folks I encounter every day on the bus, in the grocery store.

    She doesn’t fit the narrative.

  320. I take a lot of taxi rides. About once a month or so I wind up sitting there after having arrived at my destination waiting for the cab driver to finish what he’s saying. Oftentimes when the cabbie is a black man it’s a rant similar to Peggy Hubbard’s, and/or a perspective from a working father who keeps track of his children.

    The bus riders of all manner of skin color are always talking about their kids. Only about one in ten says something outrageous like he doesn’t know if he has twelve or thirteen. Otherwise it’s grades and messy rooms and sassing back and winning awards and wanting a dog.

  321. Of course, to know the mind of the fly you have to know the last thing that goes through that mind when he hits a windshield.
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    His ass.

  322. This woman is representative of most black folks I encounter every day on the bus, in the grocery store.

    So am I wrong to throw in the towel? Frankly Muffy I’ve become pretty hopeless that “the community” will ever straighten itself out.

  323. Tex, thank you for your response. Thoughtful. Your point about giving more credence to the written artifacts of history as opposed to the interpretation of human remains seems to support my view that the written word is more valuable, more edifying, more resilient than the spoken word. Before we could read and write, we only had oral histories. Where are they now? What are they worth now? We have to sift through the bones, the silent bones, and attempt to make sense of it.

  324. I’m still waiting for a POTUS candidate to commit to a vp choice NOW. That would be sooo bold. Imagine if Biden said he was running and he’s already gotten commitment from Warren not only to endorse him but be his running mate? Hillary would shit her pants.

  325. Thor’s fake Dow Jones growth he likes to brag about is a satchel full of rhinestones – DR

    Bush Dow – 8,000
    Obama Dow – 17,000 err … 16,000 err … 15,000 err … 16,000.
    Hey, you started it. 😉

    I’ve been with you on not expecting rate hikes in September, ET was the one saying the jury was still out.

    Wish I had a supercomputer. Morgan Stanley was discounted about 25% for about thirty seconds this morning. $$$$$

  326. The Clovis Point – James

    James, have you read up on Glacial Lake Missoula and the floods that shaped this part of the continent? The scientist that proposed the theory in the 20’s was mocked by the “experts”. Now, it’s accepted.

  327. Hey Thor, my son said he hopes your sack of rhinestones was worth it.

    Bush nation debt 9 trillion.
    Obama 12
    Obama 15
    Obama 19…..

  328. Day trading not a gut thing as much as a mind thing. If you don’t mind winning and you don’t mind losing its ok. Some of the folks in it should t be. All in all you have to be smarter than the publics steeeotype of a day trader.
    I did it and I formed alliances with folks in two other countries,UK & China. We worked out our own money sharing scheme and traded by proxy as it were in the actual markets like nationals. Huge trust issue.

  329. This stock market is such a joke anymore. 😯 I got into a debate with some supposedly “rich bastard” from Beverly Hills this morning who got bent when I started discussing Fed manipulation and artificially low interest rates. Mr. Beverly went on a six paragraph rant about how the FED has nothing to do with interest rates, then dissed all of Texas in the process. 😈

    When I started referring to him as Mr. Benjamin B., he got furious and called me a rogue traitor and shit for brains, or something like that.

    Bet money he’s one of the bastards losing his shirt this afternoon.

  330. Bush III – 24 trillion

    What, the sequester isn’t doing it for you? 🙂 Congress controls the purse strings and who controls Congress? Which party is that?

  331. Mr. Beverly went on a six paragraph rant about how the FED has nothing to do with interest rates – Tex

    That’s why there’s no Fed in LA. It would be run by movie producers. 🙂

  332. Wait a minute, THATS the damning Joe lying about his record video? THAT disqualifies him from office? Are you kidding me?

    The dude was talking smack like a white rapper. He wasn’t filling out a job application and the crux of what he had to say was philosophical.

    Please grow the fuck up. If THATS the evidence of his being a scumbag, you’ve gotta do much better.

    The plagiarism charge I take much more seriously. But even that is 40 years ago.

    Fuuuuuck, Trump can’t open his mouth without exaggerating.

  333. See that little sliver, that dip and bump at the left? On our current trajectory, that’s the section historians will refer to as the “Bill who? George who? Barack who?” era. Obama is done, already packing his bags. Congress is already settling in for an election year. This election, above all else, should be about flattening or eliminating that trajectory but will much more likely be about anchor babies, school prayer, good vs. bad Mexicans, terrorists, guns, BLM, global warming, the war on women and freedom fries. I’m sorry we are saddling your children (and mine) with debt. But I’m much more sorry for their children and their children’s children. Now, let’s get started on fixing the problem.

  334. Holy shit. That video has been posted here no less than 4 times, along with the articles that point out every single lie uttered. That’s every single thing he said BTW.

    Shit. I remeber it fromwhen I was a kid. Since you’ve commented on it in the past, why are you pretending you haven’t seen it before and think it signifies nothing?

    Grow up.

  335. Rutherford, I swear. You crack me up. You don’t know anything about Biden or Warren for that matter. Nothing at all. And just like Huntsman, their your peeps. 😂😂😂😂😂😂🙀🙀🙀🙀

  336. Biden’s an orangutan. Every time we’ve presented Biden’s weird lies to you Rutherford, you’ve caved. Then you forget and decide it’s nothing. Then the weird lies are reposted and you cave again. Now that he’s likely going to run you’re all puffed up and decide it’s nothing again. Trump doesn’t change Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a big dummy, a lying sack of a man not of 3 degrees but of low degree.

    Don’t get mentally irregular.

  337. Thor,

    Those federal budget deficits? Have no worries at least to Social Security. Here’s why.

    You know those social security future benefits you get? Great, hey? Take a look at the fine print about “promised” benefits of SS. Two years ago my asterisk had 78%. The last one I received last year had 77%. I’m guessing by the time I can actually draw, it will be 60% (or less). These lying thieves telling you it’s solvent for the long-run already know better. Biggest Ponzi Scheme ever foisted on stupid Americans.

    As to Medicare, matter of time before it’s means tested. Most of us will be using our retirement to pay for health care. Dirty little secret.

    The real problem is Medicaid. Obamacare is going to bankrupt that sooner than planned. That’s why Obamacare is going up dramatically this year about 25-41% across most of the nation. Got to cover the freebie subsidizes. Got news for anyone listening closely.

    The poor are not going to fare well before too long. We’re about of other people’s money. Throw in a tanking stock market, and I got this bad feeling our Obama ride is about up. It’s not all of his fault – he’s had plenty of help hiding the real misery.

  338. “So am I wrong to throw in the towel? Frankly Muffy I’ve become pretty hopeless that “the community” will ever straighten itself out.

    “The community” isn’t any one thing. In any case it’s up to you and Peggy. You’ve both said it – black folks want white people to care. You also say you wish blacks had set themselves free.

    So ask yourself does it really make any difference whether you throw in the towel or not? I mean what’s the towel good for?

  339. I’m with you, Tex. I’m dying to hear from the others.

    If Biden enters, HRC comes out immediately. I can’t get enough of a Clinton getting their due.

  340. “Muffy do you ever use Uber and do you like it?”

    Never used em. I thought the idea sounded smart but I’ve never felt compelled to try them. My cab rides average about 2 miles usually to save on parking downtown for work. Even discounted parking is on par with cab fare.

  341. “Is anybody else tired of Donald Trump being interviewed?”

    Yup. I actually got more excited recently remembering that Harry Reid will be gone with Obama. That’s how boring the campaign has become.

  342. I did it [day trading]

    Alfie you have earned a whole new level of respect from me. I’m truly jealous. You speak past tense. Why did you stop?

    Back when my primary job earned a six figure salary, I was what I call a “week trader”, not to be confused with a weak trader. 😊 I’d buy shares with the intent of keeping them for only a week to a month at most. I used two public sources of info to pick my stocks. I stopped when I got laid off because I decided under the circumstances it was irresponsible.

    I didn’t make a lot of money doing it but I did come out ahead. And it brought me an odd mixture of agony and ecstasy.

  343. CHINA’S MARKETS AREN’T ‘LINKED’ TO REST OF WORLD

    That’s not a total outlier opinion. I’ve heard a couple of financial analysts say China’s troubles are being overly connected to ours. Of course they’re connected but other factors are to blame.

    Fiorina said the fundamentals (including an anemic GDP growth rate) did not support the bubble and it was bound to burst.

  344. Congress controls the purse strings and who controls Congress? Which party is that?

    Thor you have to learn the game. When a D prez has a good economy his GOP congress gets the credit (Clinton); when an R prez has the bottom fall out, it’s the D congress that did it. When the D prez has the bottom fall out, it’s his fault, not the R congress. 😊

  345. Since you’ve commented on it in the past, why are you pretending you haven’t seen it before and think it signifies nothing?

    I never watched the video before. I commented on something Muffy had posted about it and out of context it seemed pretty bad. Now that I’ve seen the video, it just looks silly.

    Don’t lose any sleep. On his own, Biden is a weak candidate. Without Warren (or maybe Klobisher (sp) or McCaskill) as a running mate, the GOP candidate will kill him.

  346. When the best you can do, Tigre, is call Warren a fake Indian, you’re in zero position to judge what I know or don’t know.

    Warren is the female version of Sanders. She just doesn’t call herself a socialist (which by the way Bernie really isn’t).

    As for Biden, supported gay marriage before BO did and supported a three state solution in Iraq which I think makes sense.

    And that’s without Googling, you magnificent condescending bastard. 😊

  347. Rutherford, I have posted at least 3 times. Me. You commented on it. Every word is a downright lie. He had not single accomplishment he recounted. Not one. He graduated something like 180th out of 185. He was charged with academic misconduct. He did not have an academic scholarship, nor did he have 3 degrees. He had a needs based position ad an RA to defray costs, etc., etc., etc. He’s plagerized speeches.

    Worst of all, biden has an IQ of a moldy piece of salami.

    Remember when Obama had to send him away like an embarrassing retarded relative? The guy’s a fucking moron.

    And now he’s the left’s saviour. Your saviour. Feel the Bern! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  348. I’m now watching clips of Sharpton. . . recalling that you didn’t know about his vile history as you defended him. Just like Biden.

  349. Rutherford It wasn’t just classic day trading. A couple of things came to a head.It actually would make a neat short story if I were a better writer.
    One was it was kind of nerve racking since the sharing scheme had its own set of costs for when we moved hard money around.
    The real world brought up some issues for me personally that caused me to pull back the reins a bit and divert money into mutual funds a piece of realty and the banks.
    This led the China connection to get mad. Here is the huge trust issue. I’m pulling out. The China connection is actually the honey of a buddy of mine. (heres the wild story bit) She’s a retiring madame from NYC who was a Chinese national who decided it was a great idea to move all her money to China and retire. Thing is my buddy is still in NYC at the time,she’s over there setting up her life and you just can’t help but to get a serious whiff of fishiness. Meanwhile across the Pond my other guy agreed and was prescient of the pending doomsday. I actually lost more money in my mutual funds between 2007-2009 than anywhere else.

  350. “The community” isn’t any one thing.

    The community in Ferguson seems to be “one thing” despite those who would live it to be another thing. The violent parts of Chicago seem to be “one thing” despite the presence of those who’d like it to be another.

    Do you believe things will change one day?

  351. “When the best you can do, Tigre, is call Warren a fake Indian”

    What she did was disgusting. And a trend by the way.

    White people cashing in on minority privelage should make a true liberal irate.

    It makes a mockery out these programs.

    The fact that faking minority status is a thing is proof this progressive racist shit must end.

    She’s not an Indian. She pretended she was. It’s weird as fuck.

    It reminds me of an enlisted guy walking around the airport as a fake officer.

    Or even worse, claiming to be a Navy Seal.

    Didn’t a Republican get caught doing that? Or was it a Dem. Either way…fuck that guy and fuck Elizabeth Warren.

    It’s not small potatoes in my book.

  352. Well Tigre, if you want perverse try to follow this pretzel logic.

    Hillary has no smoking gun so to speak but her trust rating is in the toilet. And she’s the favorite to win the nomination.

    Joe has all the baggage you’ve listed and he’s FAR more trusted than Hillary yet he is not favored to get the nomination.

    Try unraveling that.

    P.S. I’d put Biden in a battle of wits against W any day of the week.

  353. I “defended” Sharpton? I probably said he’s made an effort to clean up his act since the Tiwana days. I stand by that. He has the ear of folks who wouldn’t touch him 30 years ago.

    Doesn’t mean he isn’t an embarrassment.

  354. P.S. I’d put Biden in a battle of wits against W any day of the week

    You’re so fucking dumb sometimes, you deserve to be mocked. I’d put W in a battle of wits against Obama any day of the week. Corpseman, ISIS the JV, Cinco de Cuatro, not shovel ready, etc. etc. et…

    Obama, the once supposed smartest President isn’t much referred to that now, is he? And we found out that W’s academic record was much higher than Kerry, Gore, and certainly higher than Jolting Joe Biden’s coming in 76 out of 80 students, or something like that.

    Are you that stupid, Rutherford, or that dishonest? I suggest it’s a little of both.

    Tell me how smart Biden is again, dick wad ridden with flies.

  355. Tex, not a jab but an honest question, is your SS percentage going down because you haven’t had a FICA applicable paycheck for a while? I’m sure their projections are based on a model your “career path” doesn’t fit.

    Trump advocates a one-time 14.25% tax on the wealthiest Americans to help pay down the debt. Now that’s what I call some wealth redistribution.

  356. Tex I’m sorry dude but the Biden thing with Couric is a stupid nitpick. “When the stock market crashed” is basically “during the Great Depression”. It doesn’t mean literally October, 1929. As for “got on television”, does it really matter that it was radio? It’s got NOTHING to do with the point he was making.

    Yes, he’s the kind of guy who makes dumb verbal gaffes but that does not make him outright stupid.

    You just might not want him talking to world leaders. 😊

  357. Trump advocates a one-time 14.25% tax on the wealthiest Americans to help pay down the debt. Now that’s what I call some wealth redistribution.

    He once did. Not since he became a Republican. 😊

  358. “I’d put Biden in a battle of wits against W any day of the week”

    W isn’t being mentioned in discussions to be president.

    I saw all I needed to see of Biden’s “wits” in the VP debate when all he could do was launch lies and insults at his opponent. He offered zero substance. Of course, as mentioned in your previous post, America hardly cares about that. We’re all about zingers that can be quoted on Twitter these days.

  359. “She’s not an Indian. She pretended she was. It’s weird as fuck.” – DR

    Nailed it.

    It is weird. Is she that ashamed of her actual heritage? That needy?

    Sherman Alexie tells a story about Clinton. Alexie was on a panel regarding race relations in the early 90’s, hosted by Jim Lehrer and which also included none other than President Bill C. Before the show, Clinton approached Alexie and told him how he was a big fan and how his grandma was half Cherokee.

    Later, near the end of the show, Lehrer turns to Alexie and asks what he thinks about the level of discussion involving Native Americans when we discuss race in this country. He answered that the only time he hears public officials talk about natives is when they want to tell him what percentage Cherokee they are.

    After the show, he was a little nervous when Clinton approached him. Bill leaned over him, kind of weird and tight, so only he could hear and said “Sherman, you’re a fucking funny guy.” 🙂

    I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve heard him tell it more than once and no one has ever called him out on it, that I know of, so it probably is.

  360. Try as I might I can’t find conclusive proof that Warren DIDN’T use her 1/32 Indian blood to her advantage.

    Well fuck me!!!

    Another reason to switch to GOP? At least no one has caught Bernie in a lie yet. (Please save the stuff about his wife. She’s not running for POTUS.)

  361. “Try as I might I can’t find conclusive proof that Warren DIDN’T use her 1/32 Indian blood to her advantage.”

    Harvard used it to its advantage, citing Warren the Indian to document its diversity on staff. At 400 grand a year, do you think its was a feather in her cap or a black eye?

    God knows how much she used to gain.

    When the bosses are bragging about you, it ain’t a bad thing.

    We all know how it works on the left anyways.

    And her excuse…that she only wanted to be invited to lunch with other people who share her Indian culture…what an insult to that culture. Because she has none. None!

    The proof of even her 1/32 slice of Indian is very tenuous. Hell, people started sniffing out her family tree and found that she had kin that ran the fucking Trail of Tears for shits sake.

    My own sons are 1/16 Indian. Do you think on show and tell day my son goes to school and talks about his Indian culture?

    I’m not sure they are even aware of it. It be interesting trivia, so I should probably mention it.

    Should my son get just even one double take on a resume over this?

    He’s also a quarter Polish-Lithuanain and a quarter Lithuanian. And guess what, outside of a few meals here and there….that doesn’t mean shit to him either.

    It’s sickening.

  362. Re The:

    Come to find out, Clinton was our first Indian President. At 1/8 Indian he’s 4 times the Indian Warren is. Lol

  363. What really bugs me, and this is the last I’ll say of this, if us normal people get caught putting whoppers on resumes…your done. No chance for the job.

    But not our betters. Duck off a waters ass.

    These fucking liars like Biden and Warren don’t deserve to be President of the United States for the simple reason they would be disqualified as a bus driver.

  364. Ugh. Water of a ducks ass.

    I think I got that confused with one of Warrens great Cherokee creation myths she likes to tell at the camp fire.

  365. “Warren is the female version of Sanders. She just doesn’t call herself a socialist (which by the way Bernie really isn’t).”

    Have you actually read any of her books? (I have, and that’s not her position at all.) Have you actually listened to what she has to say when she speaks? (I have done that, too, and “socialist” does not describe her politics, nor does “female version of Sanders.”)

    What chaps people’s asses is that she has taken the powerful Wall Streeters to the woodshed like errant schoolboys, exposing them to contempt as congenital liars. In the history of man, many forgave injury, but none ever forgave contempt.

  366. Tex, not a jab but an honest question, is your SS percentage going down because you haven’t had a FICA applicable paycheck for a while? I’m sure their projections are based on a model your “career path” doesn’t fit.

    I think you would find the same on yours if you made a comparison. 🙂

  367. Rutherford,

    I have oodles of proof from as far back as 1988, Joe Biden is an utter moron and phony. And to be frank, you’re so gullible and so taken with a soundbite of what you want the world to be and not what is, you’re not one worthy to be judging someone’s intellectual prowess. You actually bought off on the supposed intellectual brilliance of Obama. 🙄 What a fricking puppet.

    We now know that’s one of the biggest lies every trafficked by the corrupt media and the insidiously dumb American electorate. Yes We Can!

    The Democratic Party hasn’t had an “intellectual” leader in their entire party since Daniel Moynihan died. Bill Clinton would come as close as anyone they’ve got. Congratulations. A sociopath to lead you across the Jordan with Rev. J as your spiritual mentor.

  368. “I’d put Biden in a battle of wits against W any day of the week.”

    I’d take that and give you odds any day. Biden is a stupid fuck and you;d know that if you knew anything about him, which you don’t.

    Palin beat Biden in a battle of wits, you dope.

  369. We’re all about zingers that can be quoted on Twitter these days.

    Mores the pity that neither side has figured out a way to speak some basic truths in 140 characters or less.

  370. “Have you actually read any of her books?”

    Hahahahahahahahhahahaha. . .

    Rutherford’s not a reader. He gets his ” beliefs. . . er. . . info. . . aurally vs reading.” No need for that book shit. That pale mousy phony has the right look for a beta male and is revered at MSNBC. He’ll fill in the rest through Wikipedia later.

  371. I think the recent Presidents rank something like this:
    I think W was strong in his convictions,open to advice smart enough but shockingly low on the articulation scale. Back to convictions…Dubya was a total no shit guy.He made a choice he stuck with it.
    Clinton was intelligent,articulate but shady on conviction although this perversely swayed into part of what made him smart. I’d say he was open to advice. Decisions caused him anxiety.
    GHWB. Very smart,very diplomatic and other than the poorly chosen “read my lips” thing honest in his convictions. I think he was open and very engaged in advice which helped him make choices he could stand by.
    Reagan. Smart in a wiley way and very strong on choosing a battle and fighting it. Firm on his convictions. Open to advice. Strongly driven by ideals.
    Carter Smarter than he ever appeared. Obviously Im biased by his naiveté seems to diminish his actual intellect as he reasoned out a number of decisions that although logical in many minds,intellectually,were epic fails in reality.

  372. “Not even mass corruption — not even a smidgen of corruption.” -Obama

    As Lerner pleads the fifth.

    You just can’t make this shit up.

  373. Parker maybe you’re taking me too literally. Like Sanders, Warren rails against income inequality and the middle class getting screwed. Unlike Sanders her focus has been on consumer protection from banks and credit card companies.

    And let’s get real. Bernie calls himself a “democratic socialist”. Why do you think he modifies it? Sanders is not in favor of the means of production being taken over by the government. He still believes in a free market, albeit carefully regulated.

    He does favor healthcare and education for everyone, private enterprise be damned. That’s as “socialist” as he gets.

  374. What Sanders means is big. . .nay, HUGE government. He should re-label himself “democratic fascist.”

    More Government!! Yay!!!!!

  375. “This reminded me of Obama campaign in ’08”

    LOL.

    I picture Rutherford as the fat bearded guy that drops trou.

  376. Before I go man the phones for another four hours, let me say this. Y’all can call me gullible but I think Joe Biden has a good heart and is in politics for the right reasons.

    I don’t think he’s a genius. I don’t even think he’s a good POTUS candidate. But I like the guy.

  377. Palin beat Biden in a battle of wits, you dope.

    Ehhhh no she didn’t. She exceeded expectations by stringing three words together without a major gaffe. Expectations were VERY low.

  378. By the by, regardless of how anyone feels about it, I’m beginning to wonder about the inevitability of Trump. He would certainly be the President America deserves, and who knows, maybe he’s the President America needs. There is so little trust of any politician that it takes an unpolished outsider to step in. 150 of political dysfunction laid the fuel, but Obama has been the spark to burn this down and start over…

  379. My mother and I were talking the other day and she said we were going to hell in a hand basket. I told her I thought the vessel much larger, better fortified, and equipped with a battering ram. Though she believes the teevee and especially Fox snews, we both agree America is swirling in the crapper. We don’t agree on the reasons or what would be viable solutions. She’s just grateful at her age she won’t have to live through much more of it. Of course she will vote for whatever GOP candidate they pin the tail on next November.

    Just a quick look at what is and isn’t in the spotlight today can hint to the depths of our depravity.

    First look toward our institutes of ‘higher learning’ which are anything but. This is where we churn out our best, supposedly. The climate and output is far from free or healthy. I think we have reached that place wherein a college education is moreso detrimental to real learning and growth. These institutions are becoming stagnant ponds where only pond scum and mosquitoes can thrive.

    The Bias Prevention and Education Committee, according to the university, is a “two-tiered body comprised of the Deans of Students Bias Response Team and the Bias Prevention Education Advisory Panel working in concert to MONITOR, PREVENT, REPORT, RESPOND, and RESTORE environments in the aftermath of BIAS INCIDENTS.”

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/08/24/rutgers-no-such-thing-as-free-speech/

    So we learn to become impotent in our thinking and interactions with others. Of course after we get out of these institutions of indoctrination we are ‘free’ to pursue a career in our field of choice. Like there are jobs out there waiting. 😆 Plenty choose to join our huge industrial war machine in one capacity or another, since it is constantly growing and ALWAYS looking for new blood. We market it as admirable, heroic, and patriotic. But it is really rotted at the core. We still haven’t fully investigated the people Operation Flicker revealed 9 years ago that own and purchased child porn. Over 5,000 people were discovered and many from our own DoD. Supposedly that investigation is still underway after being back burnered eight months in. Though now the statute of limitations has passed for many. Only a handful were disciplined or held accountable. Accountability is a dirty word in America today. Rare is it mentioned that the first evidence of our democracy spreading is the wide availability of porn to the newly ‘liberated’.

    The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) collected the names of indviduals suspected of downloading child pornography for a case expected to bring thousands to justice. However, during the investigation 5,200 of the names on the compiled list were Pentagon employees and often the child pornography was downloaded on government computers by high level employees with top secret clearance.

    Now it appears that ICE has its own scandal yo deal with. On March 2, an FBI agent testifying during a hearing for an ICE employee accused of using a diplomatic passport for personal trips revealed the alleged involvement of a top intelligence officer in the case.

    An ICE spokesman confirmed that James M. Woosley, the deputy director of intelligence at ICE headquarters in Washington was placed on administrative leave on February 4 until an internal investigation into alleged misconduct involving a “small number” of employees is complete.

    James M. Woosley’s suspension came after allegations he assisted a subordinate with filing fraudulent travel expenses reports in exchange for some of the $123,000 in cash reimbursements generated from phony travel expenses.

    In another case involving federal agents, a top CIA officer was sentenced last Thursday to more than five years in prison for sexually abusing a woman in Algeria.

    Serious allegations against Pentagon and Department of Defense employees were discovered during an investigation by ICE is believed to be one of the largest scandals involving federal employees in the nation’s history. One prosecutor that handled several child pornography cases said that ICE’s handling of the case and seriousness of the crimes may be unprecedented, especially when the outcome is considered.

    In July of 2010, the Boston Globe obtained classified documents that revealed that the names of 5,200 Pentagon employees, many with high-level security clearances were among thousands suspected of downloading Internet pornography on a list compiled in a 2006 Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) investigation.

    The Pentagon released the heavily edited “declassified” documents only after the Boston Globe reported on the investigation.

    The results of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s (ICE) Operation Flicker investigation revealed much more than illegal photographs of children. – lifted from the Examiner.

    Now we have a list from the Ashley Madison dump that contains 15,000 names with emails of federal employees. Nothing burgers all. 😈

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/08/24/pentagonfbi-investigate-ashley-madison-hack-in-fear-of-blackmail-of-government-subscribers-to-adultery-site/

    Let’s see how fast we can move on to the next convenient controversy. Why is it again we are not that ‘great satan’ we have been accused of?

  380. Before I go man the phones for another four hours, let me say this. Y’all can call me gullible but I think Joe Biden has a good heart and is in politics for the right reasons.

    😆

    gul·li·ble (gŭl′ə-bəl)
    adj.
    Easily deceived or duped. ie:

    Are you sure he even has a heart? Politics for the right reasons? WTF? Fame, fortune, kiddie porn? I question anyone that has chosen politics as a career. It was NEVER intended to be a career field.

  381. R proves again he doesn’t the first things about Biden. He’s a ruthless, lying, moron. He’s a phony of epic proportions. Always has been and his history shows it but I guess MSNBC didn’t tell you that.

    p.s. Eh. . . Palin kicked Biden’s ass and even your beloved liberal press conceded that. Give it up.

  382. You can’t possibly team up with Obama and have good heart and in it for the people. That’s impossible as the entire administration’s modus operandi is to lie lack transparency, even in situations they no won’t work. Does he envoke an animalistic reaction of hatred out of me? He does not.

    I saw 3 black dudes open carrying in Detroit the other day. Felt safer. I know the Police Chief has been suggesting people do so.

    Of course, I did have a problem with some black street piece of shit. As my family was eating, he was outside the window going on how he wants to fuck my wife.

    My gut reaction was to quietly excuse myself from the table, casually walk outside and break his face. And that’s not bravado, its a self criticism and an honest one.

    But I had my .38 on me.

    Not an option.

    An act of violence didn’t happen. Let him go on his disrespectful charade for 4 minutes as I distracted my 3 and 5 year old.

    Who knows….might be a lot of NRA donations coming out of the black hood.

  383. Oh, I forgot, despite Bubbles Brzezinski “Uncle Joe” gushing on your outlet of choice, Biden is a sexually touchy predator type too. I wouldn’t let that creepy fuck around my family.

    His heart may be in the right place but it’s his head and erection that’s the problem.

  384. Hillary dropping out of the race. “God will not permit this to happen! … Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. …. Mocking Hillary, I love it. … God help me, I do love it so.” – Patton

  385. “His heart may be in the right place but it’s his head and erection that’s the problem.”

    p.s. just kidding. his heart is in the wrong place too.

  386. CNN “Debate poll says Biden won, Palin beat expectations. 51% thought Biden won the debate. That is not a large margin. I thought Palin narrowly won.

    A majority thought Palin was more likable than Biden, and that Biden seemed to be more a typical politician.

    A majority thought Biden would be more likely than Palin to cause change. Nobody asked which sort of change.

    Fools.

  387. Anyone that says Biden didn’t lose to Palin in that debate is just lying.

    Anyone who thinks she won was too preoccupied jerking off to know what they’re talking about.

    Which makes me wonder, if Palin had been butt ugly or even semi-homely like Carly, how much support would she get from the trogs on this blog?

  388. Eh. . . Palin kicked Biden’s ass and even your beloved liberal press conceded that. Give it up.

    You’re a moron. No kickass assessments to be found.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/debate.poll/index.html?eref=onion

    http://www.alternet.org/story/101413/biden_vs.palin–_who_won_6_short_takes_on_the_vp_debate

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/10/champ_vs_doggone.html

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/131455

    I could probably do this all day.

  389. James I watched some more of Josh Earnest’s presser from yesterday and that was as close to a Biden endorsement as we are gonna get.

    The WH DOES NOT LIKE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.

    Let me repeat: The WH DOES NOT LIKE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.

  390. The most impressive thing was that you used Google Rutherford. Good for you. You went and looked rather than making others do it or just saying “prove it.” A real breakthrough has occurred here. You should put your new skillz to use and try learning about Biden and Warren or others you swoon over rather than gorging on pretend liberal media propaganda. Maybe you’ll learn something along the way.

    But of course, baby steps, baby steps.

  391. Palin’s looks weren’t the big deal for the right. It was the big deal for the left and the Rutherfords out there with mommy issues and are easily intimidated by women. Look at Fiorina. She ain’t gonna win any swimsuit competitions but she’s gaining a lot of respect from many conservatives that ordinarily wouldn’t pay attention to anyone that wasn’t a front runner.

    Maybe if Palin looked like Chaz Maddow or Andrea Mitchell (shudder) rather than the hottie that rejected you and your beta friends growing up she’d have gotten your vote. 😆

  392. President Barack Obama, surrounded by his normal retinue of Secret Service agents, walks into the Chicago branch office of a regional bank to cash a check.

    “Good morning, ma’am,” he says to the cashier. “I’d like to cash this check.”

    “Of course, sir,” she replies. “Do you have your drivers license?”

    “Actually, no,” Obama says. “I didn’t drive myself and, honestly, I didn’t think I’d need to show any ID. I mean, I am the president.”

    “Yes, sir, I know who you are. But I’m afraid that, federal banking regulations being what they are, I’ll need to see a photo ID.”

    Obama sighs in consternation.

    “But just ask anyone at the bank,” he says. “They all know who I am. Everybody knows who I am.”

    “I’m sorry, Mr. President, but rules are rules.”

    “Please, there must be something you can do. I need to cash this check so I can buy Michelle a Valentine’s Day present.”

    The cashier thinks for a minute.

    “I’ll tell you what, Mr. President. Two weeks ago, Tiger Woods was here and in the same situation. He proved who he was by making an amazing putt all the way across the bank lobby into a coffee cup.

    “Then, just last week, Andre Agassi had to prove who he was, so he used his tennis racket and lobbed a ball all the way across the bank lobby into that same coffee cup.

    “In both cases, we took that as identification and cashed their checks,” she explained.

    “So, Mr. President, is there something you can do that would prove that you are, indeed, Barrack Hussein Obama, president of the United States?” she asked.

    Obama stands in front of her for a moment, frowning in thought.

    “You know, he says, I can’t think of a thing. My mind is a total blank. I have absolutely no idea what to do in this situation,” he says. “Seriously. No clue at all.”

    The cashier smiles.

    “Will that be large or small bills, Mr. President?” she asks.

  393. Maybe if Palin looked like Chaz Maddow or Andrea Mitchell (shudder) rather than the hottie that rejected you and your beta friends growing up she’d have gotten your vote. 😆

    Ahhhh THAT explains why I’m giving Fiorina a bit of respect. If she were hot, I’d hate her. 😊

  394. “I’m tucking that away and cherishing it. Last time I’ll hear it this year.

    Merry Christmas to me.”

    It must suck for you to be wrong so much.

    p.s. you might want to check that alternet link you posted.

  395. On the topic of hotties, can someone explain to me why female TV financial analysts are so damn hot? Look at the gals on CNBC. I think Fox has a financial sister channel and I bet the women there are hot too.

    What is it about being a “money gal” that ups the sexy quotient so high?

  396. “Ahhhh THAT explains why I’m giving Fiorina a bit of respect. If she were hot, I’d hate her.”

    I am 100% certain that would be the case.

    No joke.

  397. “What is it about being a “money gal” that ups the sexy quotient so high?”

    They’re not anti-capitalist liberals.

  398. Just saw the ejection. It was appropriate. Ramos stepped out of turn and interrupted the press conference. He was not reporting, he was protesting. He needed to be removed like the BLM protesters at the Bernie. . . ummm. . . he needed t be removed.

    He got invited back.

    Ramos unwittingly hands Trump another win.

  399. However, I would like to add that Trump is losing to the smokin’ hot Megyn Kelly.

    See how that works, Rutherford? Rosie loses. Megyn wins.

  400. Side topic: on Thursday I’m scheduled to switch from POTS to digital phone line as part of my ditching my cable internet.

    Anyone here have digital phone service and am I looking for trouble?

  401. Tigre, I’d almost agree, woman for woman, conservatives seem hotter. Too much time looking in the mirror, too little time thinking about the poor. 😊

    You realize this gives 85% odds that Muffy is smokin’. 😘

  402. Rutherford, I agree the White House dose not like Hillary. They will ditch her whenever they think they can get away with it. Hillary had better hope she has something on Obama or Biden.

    Sarah Palin has charisma. I don’t know if it actually happened, but a web site showed a photo of her in Maxim Magazine before she ran for governor.

    A local talk show host was not impressed by Palin, until he met her at the air port and accompanied her to his station for an interview. He said he became tongue tied and his questions were hard to remember. His mind only told him “SHE WAS HOT”

    I left our two year old grand daughter alone for a minute. I returned to watch her throw her crayons across the room. I said ” You aren’t coloring. You are making more work for me.” She smiled sweetly and said “I know.”
    That sounds like Bill Clinton, but not Hillary.

  403. FIOS phone is essentially VoIP and my work is solid VoIP is that what you’re talking about. The work phones go down more than any phone system I’ve ever dealt with. That has more to do with the service provider than the tech I think

  404. You know what they say: most conservative women may not be smokin’ but most smokin’ women are conservative…

  405. Alfie I’ll need to check if it’s FIOS which I thought was a fiber connection. It marketed as “U-Verse” which is meaningless but I was told explicitly that it is NOT DSL. I’m praying I don’t have your experience. Work interruptions are the very reason I’m switching.

  406. most conservative women may not be smokin’ but most smokin’ women are conservative…

    Well played.

    You must have a Google alert on your name cos it’s uncanny how you know when to take a peek here.

  407. I came here to see what you were right about, Rutherford. It’s all over the news.

    “Do you believe things will change one day?”

    I go back and forth. I hope so. More voices are piping up here and there. I think that bodes well.

  408. It doesn’t bother me one bit. She gets paid as much as the POTUS. 🙂 If not her, someone else would be drawing her salary. She isn’t the problem. The institutions are the problem. If we are willing to pay the price, why should the benefactors refuse the pay? Against human nature. Besides, the pay gets much better once you retire.

    Last week, Politico reported that former President George W. Bush makes between $100,000 and $175,000 for every speech he gives and that he has given at least 200 speeches since leaving office in 2009. A bit of simple math translates that activity into more than $30 million for the former president in speech fees alone. Compare that to the relatively paltry $400,000 a president makes a year while in office, and you can see why presidents look forward to their retirement.

    http://fortune.com/2015/06/11/politician-speaking-fees-speeches/

  409. Tuition has increased like 500% in the last 30 years, that’s the point.

    “Must be all that thinking about poor people.”

    Right?

  410. Alfie, apologies. BLM is a shape shifter. Two folks on Crazy Larry’s show are speaking to the 10 point manifesto and allowing themselves to be called BLM.

    Now I’m wondering how formal things are and whether we’re talking an organization or a movement anyone can glom onto.

    The Kos article I posted seems wishful thinking and nit picking. You were right.

  411. Pools is right. The institutions are to blame. Free market baby, professors should get whatever the market will bear.

    If Warren is aiming her gun at college tuition, one must assume she’d willingly take a pay cut.

  412. Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Robert ‘Hunter’ Biden, says he did not open an Ashley Madison account registered in his name to his email address.
    Biden denies creating the account, the details of which were exposed on Monday by Breitbart News, and claims to have been framed by someone trying to ‘discredit’ him.

    ‘I am certain that the account in question is not mine,’ he said in a statement to Breitbart. ‘This account was clearly set up by someone else without my knowledge and I first learned about the account in question from the media.’

    But his statement does not address the other aspect of the Ashley Madison leaked records which show that a credit card registered to ‘Robert Biden’ at his Washington address was used to make a $268.99 payment to the site.

    Hilarious….

  413. “Pools is right. The institutions are to blame. Free market baby, professors should get whatever the market will bear.”

    Free market? Tuition? Are you kidding me. Ever since your Nanny has gotten in the business of subsidising (and then backing) loans, tuition has sky rocketed.

    Free market and college shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence.

  414. Free market and college shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence.

    Hey you’re lecturing the wrong guy. I’m behind free college education.

    All I’m saying is Warren is the wrong one to be angry with.

  415. “Hey you’re lecturing the wrong guy. I’m behind free college education.”

    How about they stay out of it completely and we go back to the days where blue collar stiffs can actually afford tuition without their Mommies (or your Nanny) and they go to school at night after 8 hours on the fork lift?

  416. A Latina on Chris Hayes called Ramos the Walter Cronkite of the Hispanic world

    No more flattering that those gross exaggerations you lemmings used to make about Barry’s brilliance, before needleneck’s profane incompetence and abject stupidity became even too much for you flacks to cover for the community activist.

    Besides, once it became evident thanks to the advent of the internet, Uncle Walter was a true pinko and traitor like so many knew but couldn’t prove until that became transparent t, I’m not sure the claim “Walter Cronkite of…” carries near the sterling message it used to. Many of us now simply say, “Told you he was a lying POS…” Same with George Ramos.

    Like I said:

    Ramos = #LatinoLiesMatter

    P.S. – the greater negro community of ghettoville #BurnThatBitchDown is now referring to Peggy Hubbard as Aunt Jememiah for daring to call B.S. with respect to the animalist tendencies and glaring black racism of BLM.

    I don’t know how an otherwise attractive woman speaking truth is called ‘Uncle Tom’, but they’re calling Ms. Hubbard that too.

    At least they’re not so lazy, they won’t steal and trash the neighborhood.

  417. Rabbit believe me, if IBM had said pay cut or layoff, do you think I would’ve turned down the pay cut?

    There are circumstances that make a pay cut palatable. Hell I would’ve taken a pay cut to save some other motherfucker’s job.

    I believe Warren would agree to smaller professor salaries if it made college more affordable.

  418. I believe Warren would agree to smaller professor salaries if it made college more affordable.

    ** GUFFAW **

    Yeah, if it cuts her a book deal. Are you kidding. This horse’s ass is just like Michelle Obama. Self. Why don’t we propose Mrs. Warren fork over about half her net worth and see how generous she gets? 😈

  419. Administrations and faculties are the problem, government needs to get out of the business of college education.

    Adults dont need free education. Tuition and fees need to be rolled back to the 70s.

    Administrations are bloated and ineffective. Students are the least if their priorities.

    Warren would gain a little respect if she spoke honestly about her ridiculous salary.

  420. The on-air shooting in VA has just fucked up the rest of my day. That video is horrific and needs to come down.

  421. This country is going to hell…quickly. Between this and the StemExpress monster laughing about shipping fetal heads, frankly it deserves to go there.

    I’ve almost become inured to the sickness I’m afraid.

  422. “On the scandalous commie MSNBC this morning Scarborough said basically that Ramos SHOULD have been tossed out on his ass. Truly fair and balanced gang!”

    Have you watched? why shouldn’t he have been tossed? Filibustering a press conference? That ain’t reporting and Trump didn’t say he had a problem with questions just that Ramos was being a jackass.

    Seriously. What’s the beef, R?

  423. I don’t know any different than what is unavoidably splashed all over the internet.

    The video is not gory but it’s horrifying nonetheless.

    Very sad.

  424. If you don’t care for the shock value, I say skip the video.

    I was sipping my coffee looking at news before getting busy at work and clicked the link that displayed the video. My jaw dropped and my heart sank.

  425. LOL Good old Tigre picks a fight when there isn’t much disagreement.

    My comment was about MSNBC you twit, not about Ramos. It was an answer to the constant charge around here that MSNBC is hopelessly biased. Alas, there is hope.

    As for Ramos he came there for a fight and got one.

  426. I don’t know what the fuck your point is. MSNBC isn’t as biased as we say because of what Scarborough said about the Ramos thing? That’s just retarded. And it was Scarborough, you ninny.

    There should be no other reaction to the whole thing. But I’m sure there was a gaggle of the usual Rutherford-grade geniuses bemused and astonishment by it. I’m sure Bubbles and Chrissy Hayes will develop some ethnic victimization bullshit out of it. ‘Cause that’s how that unbiased outlet your directly wired into rolls.

  427. Rutherford, I was thinking about your comment “$15.00 for flipping burgers.” I hadn’t really thought about what is involved in a minimum wage. $7.50 an hour minus state/local taxes/fed taxes/ social security tax/ medicare tax doesn’t leave a whole lot of take home pay. Instead of raising the minimum wage, maybe a better idea would be eliminate all those taxes on people making minimum wage. Just a thought. Welfare recipients don’t pay those taxes.

  428. Lately just for interest I throw out in conversation to people of all walks of life “what do you think about Trump?” So far the common answer is “regardless of what I think about him, he speaks the truth” ?!?!?

  429. Elizabeth Warren would agree to lower professors’ salaries if she was no longer a professor.

    I agree, making welfare pay more than minimum wage is a poor incentive for getting off the dole.

    Trump, Cruz and a few other candidates are counter attacking reporters. Good for them.

  430. Biden neither the best or worse the Dems could do.
    Don’t get why people care if someone was stupid enough to use Ashley Madison.
    VA shooting sad only in that you get a clearer image of someone having THE worst moments of their lives. Reminded me of a number of scenes in my past work. People dead or dying serve up a portrait that your brain an have a hard time dealing with.
    Hate to be so public but ET if you really can’t shake it reflect on it like a funeral kind of thing. Sometimes that’s a way to let your brain process it.

  431. “My comment was about MSNBC you twit, not about Ramos. It was an answer to the constant charge around here that MSNBC is hopelessly biased. Alas, there is hope.”

    Is there? Are they showing signs of growing less partisan in both their coverage and their punditry? I’m not sure what you think your answer answered. I didn’t understand it at all at first.

    Before you huff and puff, we agree that the Fox News channel pundits are also biased. The difference, for the umpteenth time, is in the choices of what to cover.

  432. Joe Scaroborough is not a test of MSNBC’s bias or lack there of. He is a token conservative commentator, not a news reader. The test lies in watching straight news stories and the events chosen or ignored and emphasized or given short shrift.