We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Policy Papers

Like many folks, I’m a bit confused by the rise and persistent success of Donald J. Trump as Presidential candidate. People, supposedly smarter than I in these matters, say that without specific policy positions Trump will soon take a nose dive in the polls.

When I heard this theory on the car radio today, I had an epiphany. How many voters read policy papers? How many voters know the nitty gritty details of their favorite candidate’s positions? I’m not saying there aren’t some well informed voters out there but as I discussed in a recent essay, most American voters can barely find their way to the polling place.

Long before Barack Obama’s cult of personality, presidential candidates appealed to voters for purely emotional, cathartic reasons. We had Reagan’s grandfatherly, sunny optimism. We had Kennedy’s youth and (apparent) vitality. Eisenhower was a war hero. Most of these folks had experience in politics. That’s just the nature of the game. But their voting record as a Senator? Puhleeze. The only change we are seeing in 2015 is this:

THE TRUTH

For once, the populace is saying “we don’t need no stinkin’ policy papers”. Those who like Trump like him because he seems to shoot from the hip. He ignores the “rules of politics”. He doesn’t pretend that you are going to study his ideas. He simply says, “don’t worry, I’ll handle it, and it will be terrific!” Seriously folks, what more does the average American need to know? Want to know how to handle China? Don’t worry about the specifics. We are gonna send Carl Icahn over there to get the job done. DC doesn’t know crap about negotiation. Icahn is a “killer”.

Here we have a candidate who has busted the myth of the functional president. Trump’s an entertainer and he is letting us all in on the truth that the President’s primary job is to be an entertainer … an entertainer who gets the right folks around him to get the job done. Trump is down on Obama (to put it mildly) but what is one of his chief complaints? He complains that Caroline Kennedy is our Ambassador to Japan. He calls it a joke. And of course, it is kind of a joke, isn’t it?

My theory is that Trump is laying bare what fringe elements have been saying for some time, namely that the presidency is largely ceremonial, largely a puppet show with special interests’ hands shoved up the ass of the puppet. And again, how appealing is it to hear a candidate say “I can’t be bought. In fact, I DO the buying.” Trump is defying pundit’s expectations because he’s showing the emperor to be naked in a way no candidate has done. He is changing the rules of the game and none of his opponents nor the media in general know what to do with him.

A Side Note about Bernie Sanders

Because Trump is still seen by many as a side show and spectacle, he is being used to discredit the campaign of Bernie Sanders. Just about no one is making the comparison between the two as a compliment to Bernie. The fact is Bernie and Donald share one key trait. They are telling their audiences a truth that their opponents cannot do convincingly, Hillary Clinton is a phony populist. Martin O’Malley is an old school pol. It’s hard to tell if Jim Webb is even really a liberal. And Lincoln Chafee is … Lincoln Chafee. When it comes to the message of income inequality and that we are all getting the short end of the stick, Bernie is the real deal. And when it comes to exposing the charade that is our presidency and government, Donald is the real deal too.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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522 thoughts on “We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Policy Papers

  1. I hate to start the thread off topic but I promised Muffy I would watch the Bill Whittle video. Muffy, you owe me 16 minutes of my life back. Here’s just three reasons why Whittle is an asshole:

    1. Warning? Are you kidding me? They lived on a fucking island. The bomb had devastating force. Where were they supposed to go and what influence did they have on their government to stop us from bombing them? We dropped leaflets. Hip hip hooray!
    2. There is debate about whether Pearl Harbor was really a surprise.

    3. Stewart didn’t say we should pre-announce the warning bomb in the sea. Whittle made that up and pulled it out of his ass.

    Bill Whittle is a self-righteous pompous asshole. With that “soft voice” of his, he is nearly intolerable to watch. If his only point was that calling Truman a war criminal was stupid, he didn’t need 16 minutes to do it. He could’ve just said “If Truman didn’t do what he did, I might never have been born” and then we could all agree that Whittle loves Truman because he’s a self-centered sonafabitch (Whittle, not Truman).

  2. Muffy, enjoy your can of worms. What were you thinking? Reasoned response?

    Rutherford reads for validation, and validation ONLY.

    The “all hes saying is [insert shallow abstract], so the rest is just noise. . .” is Rutherford’s tried and true “technique.”

    Next up, the “verbiage” game.

    It’s the source, or the sound, or the size of the text, or blah, blah, blah that excuses consideration.

    Enjoy.

  3. Muffy?

    The reason Rutherford hates Bill Whittle is because Whittle is incredibly effective at what he does. The louder Rutherford screeches, the more effective the argument against his heroes. Been this way since I knew the man. The best things I post here always raise the hackles of Rutherford. Always.

    At the end of that 16 minutes for anybody even remotely honest, Bill Whittle shows how incredibly shallow and poorly read Jon Stewart and his cue card laugh crowd really are. You can’t dispute that video because it’s so pure. It’s not just historically detailed, it’s devastating to the rewrite of history.

    I’ve told people Jon Stewart panders to the intellectually challenged, petulant Leftist. Rutherford is a fan of Stewart’s. It follows Peter Pan is going to be emotional. 😛

    I give Stewart credit for capitalizing on the idiocy of the Left. Bernie Sanders will do the same thing before he is through, as did Elizabeth Warren.

  4. I compared the Trump and Sanders support sources a while ago. A minority of people is so angry it will support anyone who resembles an insurgency. Too many of the rest are so ignorant they have to use emotions, greed, and group identity for voting decisions.

    They are like two year olds. Our grand daughter’s favorite color is blue because she and I have the same blue eye color. Yesterday before we came home, our grand daughter saw part of her first NASCAR Race on YouTube. It had occurred on August 2. She liked it so well she wanted to see the ending again.

    She mostly rooted for the blue cars. Several ran out of gas near the finish. She said “Oh no! Car stopped”. I think she enjoyed the race because a Bubble Guppies show featured an auto race and a trip to an amusement park. Mr Grouper the teacher forgot to fill the tank, and his car with his students inside ran out of gas.

    Our grand daughter likes to dance, and she borrows moves she sees. I told my wife as she danced to the toy flute she was playing that I might play the video of her with a sound track of Shut Up and Dance. A few minutes later, she asked to see a video of the song.

    I played a wedding flash mob version. Our grand daughter studied the dancers and copied their moves as precisely as a two year could. She moved her arms in synck with the dancers. Then, she danced. while looking at the computer.

    Our little grand daughter is making connections, but not all as you can see are rational. Too many voters are stranded at ages two or three.

  5. “Clinton’s emoji effort backfires.”

    That’s the only story on Clinton right now on the front page of MSNBC.com.

    To think our blog host gets 90% of his propaganda from this one organization, particularly when you realise our blog host is not educated in any meaningful way and has no street smarts….wow.

    This is why he refused to even look at the PP video. They told him not too. And he believed it.

    This is why he thought the Tea Party was lynching people. They told him. He believed it.

    He defended Bergdhal. Believed them about Benghazi.

    This is why he was wrong about Trayvon. They told him. And he believed it.

    This is why he thought Palin in some way responsible for a shooting. They told him. And he believed it.

    We all could add to these humiliations for days.

    On and on.

    Of course he will come back crying that he has already begged for forgiveness for these sins.

    And then go right back to one source. Controlled by the DNC, completely.

    I allocate 50 to 60% of my news and politics to liberal sources. Admittedly, a small total pie of late.

    Fox news sets up the news from a right wing perspective and then tests these stances against left wing angles, usually espoused by progressive light weights.

    MSNBC is soviet style propaganda.

  6. The left is like a two year old.

    A beautician had purchased her business shortly before the riots last year. The rioters didn’t leave much of her business, and the delayed traffic hurt further.

    The racists posing as demonstrators didn’t care, but a Tea Party affiliated group raised money and helped her restart. The latest riots hurt her again. Some of the good people broke in and robbed her. Tea Party men guarded her business to prevent any more robberies.

    The group posed for pictures. About half, including the owner, are black.

    MSNBC would never carry the story, because as Rabbit wrote, they are Soviet style propagandists.

  7. Tigre you’re increasingly revealing yourself to be of small intellect.

    Let’s take one simple point. Watch the Whittle video again (assuming you did the first time) and listen to what Jon Stewart SAID. He said a warning blast should have been dropped off the shore of Japan. He said NOTHING about contacting Japan in advance to tell them we would fire this warning shot.

    Bill Whittle with his smart-ass attitude makes up out of thin air that we are going to pre-announce the warning shot. Whittle fucking lies to make his point.

    Now ignore everything else in my comment and focus. Did Whittle lie or not?

    You’ll give me a smart-ass answer because I’m right.

  8. Trump and Obama have a ton in common.

    The difference is a wave of utterly ignorant optimism usherd in by Obama. The guy had a resume so weak he couldn’t be an assistant dean at a middle school.

    Trump is riding the same wave, but it stems from cynicism and disappointment.

    Obama’s lies were so massive and had such disregard for Americans….we now have Trump.

    Obama hubris created this Trump stuff.

  9. “He said NOTHING about contacting Japan in advance to tell them we would fire this warning shot.”

    Nah. You’ve misread me again. Accurate or inaccurate on that point doesn’t take away from the rest. You really need to grow up.

  10. The Japanese didn’t surrender after dropping a bomb on a city. A warning shot? For fuck’s sake.

    Do you know what happened to the USS Indianapolis? The logistics?

  11. Tigre,

    Of all of Peter Pan’s fatal flaws, it’s probably his equating snark with intelligence that is most limiting. The entire video was in response to Stewart calling Truman’s bombing a war crime and Truman a war criminal.

    Whittle then goes step-by-step to explain with documented history why even the suggestion is not only wrong, but utterly inane, explaining in great detail how profoundly ignorant Jon Stewart really is about history.

    Peter P. missed the premise of Whittle’s video explaining why not only was it not a “war crime”, but Stewart’s argument was not plausible – logistically, financially, strategically, and most importantly, historically.

    Even after the Hiroshima bombing, apparently Mr. Pan has forgotten Japan kept on fighting. Another in a long list of brain dead moments of Lefty lore. What would make Japan surrender by dropping one in the dink, if dropping one on their military city with 72 hours warning didn’t? 😆 😆

    Lefties are certifiably insane. No wonder their personal lives are a mess.

  12. Yep. Watched the first 2 minutes again, Rutherford.

    You’re a fucking idiot. Whittle accurately said Stewart’s point was that warning should’ve been made by firing dropping one offshore. A warning shot. Not a warning of a warning shot you dumbass. The first blast was of course a warning of the second you dolt — and he makes his case.

  13. “Bill Whittle is a self-righteous pompous asshole. With that “soft voice” of his, he is nearly intolerable to watch. If his only point was that calling Truman a war criminal was stupid, he didn’t need 16 minutes to do it. He could’ve just said “If Truman didn’t do what he did, I might never have been born” and then we could all agree that Whittle loves Truman because he’s a self-centered sonafabitch (Whittle, not Truman).”

    I guess I wanted to know if you learned anything new about the subject because I did. Not a critique of Whittle’s speaking style, which we can agree is anything but 8 second sound bites and teasers.

    If style is at all relevant then some (like me) would look at that exchange between Rubio and Stewart and see Stewart as the self-righteous pompous asshole there. The smiling assassin. I certainly see Stewart being his charming condescending partisan judgmental preachy self. Which you forgive him for because he claims to be a comedian.

    The mark of a great comedian is improvisation. The mark of a great improviser is to make the other person or people sharing the stage look good. Stewart exhibited some talent for that sometimes but always for the leftist guest. When he didn’t do that with Kathleen Gilligan – it was remarkable, was it not?

    So moving beyond style, I thought the content offered a lot and I wish that someone from the left could present a convincing rebuttal. Whenever Stewart was challenged by anyone from Fox he made a ton of hay about it. I guess he never saw Whittle’s withering examination.

    ~

    I would be grateful if before someone comes to chop off my head I get a leaflet.

  14. Thanks for watching it just for me though, R. That was sporting of you.

    Your article will generate its share of commentary despite the momentary distraction.

    I give it a thumbs up with an asterix.

    I agree with large parts of it but not with this –

    <

    blockquote>”Long before Barack Obama’s cult of personality, presidential candidates appealed to voters for purely emotional, cathartic reasons. We had Reagan’s grandfatherly, sunny optimism. We had Kennedy’s youth and (apparent) vitality. Eisenhower was a war hero. Most of these folks had experience in politics. That’s just the nature of the game. But their voting record as a Senator? Puhleeze. The only change we are seeing in 2015 is this: The Truth…

    <

    blockquote>

    I think some presidents heretofore offered more than personality and some not.

    I think term limits and the end of career politicians would be a good fight.

    I think Obama offered nothing but personality. I also think he blew the thing that presidents need to do well to do well and that’s surround themselves with good people. Obama sucked at that. He also fostered an environment where the IRS could feel good about what they’ve been up to in the last decade.

  15. Well shit. I’d give anything for a preview post button.

    I need to correct the characterization that I disagreed with that part anyway so – I didn’t so much as disagree as I felt it important to add some things.

  16. “That’s the only story on Clinton right now on the front page of MSNBC.com.”

    They’re conscientious about assigning the appropriate weight the audience is to give each news item.

    I’ve noticed that they cover unflattering (to the left) stuff like this –

    “The GOP takes issue with Clinton’s private server…”
    “Republicans react to Clinton’s handling of top secret emails…”

    Other than that it’s a lot of Trump. A lot.

    I heard rumor of Joe and Bubbles looking to make a move to CNN, which they deny.

    I also heard Bubbles say this morning, “If she gets the nomination I will vote for her, but…”

    Good grief is life one big parody? This really is taking on the look of a cosmic joke.

  17. I know I am coming in the middle of things, so excuse me if this has been covered, but any discussion regarding the warning of Japan that does not include the words “Potsdam Declaration” is incomplete.

    Hiroshima was bombed August 6. 11 days prior (July 26) to that, the US, UK, and China gave very clear terms of surrender, said that “”We will not deviate from them. There are no alternatives”, and that if Japan did not fully comply, it would face “prompt and utter destruction”.

    3 full days after showing this was no idle threat, Nagasaki was bombed on Aug. 9, after which, a 2nd warning was issued stating that If Japan did not accept the terms of the Potsdam Declaration it should “expect a rain of ruin from the air, the like of which has never been seen on this earth.” The Japanese did not formally surrender until Aug 15–almost a full week after that SECOND warning.

    How much more warning is an enemy warranted?

  18. “I also think he blew the thing that presidents need to do well to do well and that’s surround themselves with good people. Obama sucked at that.”

    That’s because Obama thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

  19. Here are 13 more fake things we [loosely applied] consider real.

    http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/everything-is-fake-top-40-part-2/

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The problem with “They didn’t heed our warning” is that it was never officially announced through diplomatic channels which WERE IN PLACE and used to communicate matters of importance.

    We sent our warning through our regular propaganda channels.

    So here is the reality on the ground:

    Bullshit, Lie, Lie, Lie, Bullshit, Lie, Lie, WARNING, Lie, Lie, Lie, BOOOOOOMMMM!!

    The fact is we had built these 2 bombs and we were going to use them regardless. And as pointed out, they were on an island. Where were they supposed to go after that first blast?

  20. “The problem with “They didn’t heed our warning” is that it was never officially announced through diplomatic channels which WERE IN PLACE and used to communicate matters of importance.”

    While this is true, are you suggesting the Japanese leadership never received the warning or were otherwise unaware of it? Because that is where your logic leads, and I think we all know that is bullshit.

  21. “And as pointed out, they were on an island. Where were they supposed to go after that first blast?”

    You’re talking about warning the people. And perhaps that is what the discussion is about. I am talking about warning the leadership. It took a verbal warning, 2 destroyed cities, and a week after that (a total of 3.5 weeks) to get it through their heads that we were not fucking around.

    Where they were supposed to go during that 17-day period was into conference and decide to agree to the terms given. I assume that island did have meeting rooms.

  22. For targeting purposes, the bombing crew used St. Mary’s Urakami Cathedral, the largest Christian church in East Asia. At 11:02 a.m., on Aug. 9, 1945, when the bomb was dropped over the cathedral, Nagasaki was the most Christian city in Japan.

    While this is true, are you suggesting the Japanese leadership never received the warning or were otherwise unaware of it?

    The leadership DID receive warning. Much like our leadership received multiple warnings before 911. The Japanese leadership WERE ready to surrender, but COULD NOT ideologically under the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration.

  23. I meant to add this link:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/09/the-very-un-christian-nagasaki-bomb/

    When Nagasaki was destroyed, it had been only three days since another U.S. atomic bomb, nicknamed “Little Boy,” had decimated Hiroshima. The Nagasaki bombing on Aug. 9 occurred amid chaos and confusion in Tokyo, where the fascist military government, which had known for months that it had lost the war, was searching for a way to honorably surrender.

    The only obstacle to surrender had been the Allied insistence on unconditional surrender, which meant that the Emperor Hirohito, whom the Japanese regarded as a deity, would be removed from his figurehead position in Japan and possible subjected to war crimes trials. That was a deal-breaker, an intolerable demand for the Japanese that prolonged the war and prevented Japan from giving up months earlier.

  24. “The Japanese leadership WERE ready to surrender, but COULD NOT ideologically under the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration.”

    We did not force that ideology upon them. To adhere to it was their choice.

    The facts are, as you have now admitted, we did warn the Japanese, and they chose not to, for whatever reason, heed that warning. The ideology of their leadership is irrelevant. The structure of their leadership is irrelevant. The decision that the emperor made on August 15th is the exact same decision he could have made on July 27th. Deflections about 9/11 and Christian populations do not change those facts.

  25. Deflections are all you are offering. Neither one of us was THERE. Your account isn’t personal but learned. That you hold to the official narrative is comfortable, but not certain of truth. Do you feel if you were in control of a people you could so willingly offer them to another culture to do with what they will? I think it naive to justify such massive irrevocable damage to humanity with hubris.

  26. I watched The Theory of Everything last night. If you haven’t already seen it, do yourself a favor and do so.

    I will admit, I have always found Stephen Hawking to be a fascinating individual. I’m not even sure I know why. I know nothing of his life. I know nothing about his work. I know nothing about his field, in general. All I have ever known is that he is a sort of rock-star scientist that is in a wheelchair and sounds like a robot. And perhaps that is the reason enough for the fascination.

    I think the film, based on a book written by his first wife, gives people like me a really good introduction to the man. Keep in mind, this was not meant to be a documentary on the life of Stephen Hawking. I suspect there is more than a good chance that some people and events in the movie are mashed together from the actual people and events of Hawking’s life. But I don’t think that takes away anything from the value of the film as a story–or as a form of information.

    I don’t want to give away too much, for those like me that know relatively nothing about Hawking. But being written by his first wife, it is a tale of love, devotion, acceptance of circumstances, and the realities of life. That it was written by her, and his own electronic voice was used in the film, I think it is safe to assume that those themes are true enough to form for the purposes of gaining an understanding as to who Stephen Hawking is–as well as some of the people around him were–and still are.

    One of my very favorite scenes in the film has his wife, Jane, played by Felicity Jones, explaining Hawking’s work to a family friend. Jane and the friend are both Church of England Christians, while Stephen is–not. He explains to the friend that his dissertation was about a single point in time, that marked the creation of the universe, and, as such, the creation of time, itself. This seems to have excited the friend, as it suggests Stephen’s work could be used to prove the existence of God. Hawking then informs him that his latest work is disproving his own theory. When this gets complicated, Jane Hawking steps in and marvelously dumbs things down for those of us that know nothing of quantum physics and general relativity–and how those laws “do not play nicely together”. The sheer elegance of her description is a thing of beauty.

    As the story starts to drawn to an end, things become heartbreaking to watch. Not because we are witnessing the agonizing breakdown of a man’s physical being, but because we are shown the breakdown of other things. The wonder of this story is that, by the end, we are left to question whether or not those things were really heartbreaking at all.

    The film essentially ends with a quote I found to be very inspiring. “There should be no boundaries to human endeavor. We are all different. However bad life may seem, there is always something you can do and succeed at. While there is life, there is hope.” Regardless of what one might think of Stephen Hawking as a scientist or as a man, I think he does exemplify those words to their fullest. He was given 2 years to live after his diagnosis. He has managed to live so much longer than that, and has taken full advantage of that time.

    I cannot see anyone being disappointed by this film. It moved me profoundly.

  27. “Do you feel if you were in control of a people you could so willingly offer them to another culture to do with what they will?”

    The guy thought he was a god and you’re going to accuse me of hubris?

    Surrender to the terms is precisely what he eventually did. Again, the same decision the emperor ultimately made was the one he could have made all along. He was warned and that warning was ignored. He is the one who, through his own inaction, pushed its validity. But it was his people who paid the price for HIS hubris.

    That is not deflection, it is a statement of fact that speak absolutely to the discussion at hand (unlike 9/11 and Christian populations). Brother Nate or Bart Simpson cannot save you on this one. The facts speak for themselves, and you’ve already admitted to them.

  28. “Is it only because it’s August that we find ourselves again discussing the atomic bombings of Japan ?”

    Yes.

  29. Truman correctly decided to bomb Japan. He was under no moral authority to warn the enemy ahead of time. This was war.
    Surprise is part of the weaponry.

    Some of us with limited imaginations judge times by our circumstances and standards. If we think our action was immoral consider the attitude change if a country like Iraq blows up one of our cities.

  30. Yes Alfie, it is an August thing and also a ‘what goes around comes around’ topic.

    What some see as a fair and justified act no matter how far removed from the moment of fact, others see as one of the worse things man has ever done to the whole of creation in his attempt to play god. This world changed from that time going forward and we [loosely applied] changed it. With the help of nazis. For better or worse is history’s call. Call it evolution or progress or whatever comfortably resonates. We’re writing the record for now.

    I prefer to view it more narrowly, on an more organic level.

  31. Premature send…hate it when that happens. I think I can win the challenge that every President that we have had has had occasion to say yes or no when very powerful folks wanted the opposite and the Presidents word stood. It is an excellent point of pride and angst that office at 1600.

  32. nit pick. unjustified then – in terms of greater laws. Worse for humans and life in general, therefore UNJUSTIFIED. :facepalm:

  33. That’s the only story on Clinton right now on the front page of MSNBC.com. Bla bla bla ….

    The entire premise of Rabbits tirade blows up in smoke. Loads of time spent on Morning Joe today discussing Clinton email scandal.

    Hope the stupid venting made you feel better Rabbit. Now enjoy what little is left of your paid summer vacation.

  34. Your fix is flawed. The fix has been in. These people do not make it to the oval without being stamped and approved by the corporate monarchy that employs them.

  35. . You’ve misread me again. Accurate or inaccurate on that point doesn’t take away from the rest. You really need to grow up.

    Wrong. It shows that Whittle is willing to lie to make his point. He’s not an honest broker. And if I hadn’t pointed it out, you wouldn’t even have noticed it.

    You know damned well as a lawyer you’d use a witnesses lie to impeach his entire testimony.

  36. Rutherford you and I both mistook rabbit’s comment to refer to the teevee channel. He was talking about the website.

    Which now has 0 stories on Clinton on the home page.

    The current top ten stories on the spinner are:

    1 Somebody’s suing Obama though.
    2 DNA confirms Pres Harding’s love child.
    3 Trump insults Dems.
    4 Dr Carson defends fetal research though.
    5 Wildfires
    6 Cosby accusers come forward
    7 Activist halt Bush
    8 Biden calling confindantes about 2016
    9 Rand Paul mocks Trump
    10 Caitlyn Jenner

  37. If you’re second-guessing Hiroshima/Nagasaki, consider this: if the US had the B
    omb and had used it on Dec 8, 1941, how many millions of Japanese and hundreds of thousands of American lives would have been saved?

    Now extrapolate that to Aug 6, 1945.

    It’s all a silly exercise, anyway. US made a decision based on the time, place, data they had. You can’t go back. Why there is ANY mental masturbation about it is beyond me.

  38. No Rutherford, not the Oath Keepers. These people were members of the St Louis Tea Party. Some of them were black.

    They organized a buycot to help businesses damaged by the riots. Some of them or a related group returned to Ferguson after the latest riots and helped one of the women who’s business had been robbed a second time.

    I’m not surprised they slipped out of the news fit to print.

  39. Whittle accurately said Stewart’s point was that warning should’ve been made by firing dropping one offshore. A warning shot. Not a warning of a warning shot you dumbass.

    Don’t call idiot when you can’t even correctly call out a video.

    I don’t have the vid handy cos it won’t play on my iPhone so I can only paraphrase.

    Whittle said “So we’re going to tell Japan that a warning shot is coming their way off shore. Of course this would enable Japan to be ready and shoot our warning plane out of the sky.”

    Stewart NEVER said we would warn them verbally about the offshore warning drop. He simply said we should have dropped a warning bomb offshore. WHITTLE LIED ABOUT STEWART’S ASSERTION. (That goes for you too Alfie who claims I’m lying).

    As soon as I can get back to a PC (the vid won’t play on mobile) I will write down word for word what Stewart and Whittle said.

    I can’t believe I hijacked my own post with this argument. Never watching 💩Whittle again. He’s an asshole and so are the people who admire him. 😡

  40. I would be grateful if before someone comes to chop off my head I get a leaflet.

    Leaflet, offshore warning drop? No real difference. Lots of folks were gonna die either way.

    Before I say anymore I’m gonna get through this entire thread because I DO have something to say about war criminals.

  41. As soon as I can get back to a PC (the vid won’t play on mobile) I will write down word for word what Stewart and Whittle said.

    Please do so we can hammer you some more. Stewart is a historical dumbass, Mr. Pan. And like I said. I want to see you refute these “lies” being Japan didn’t surrender after being bombed. Now you want to convince us they would have a small wave hitting the shore. 😆

    I can’t believe I hijacked my own post with this argument. Never watching 💩Whittle again. He’s an asshole and so are the people who admire him.

    One of the highest compliments one can receive on this board. 😈

  42. I think Obama offered nothing but personality. I also think he blew the thing that presidents need to do well to do well and that’s surround themselves with good people. Obama sucked at that.

    Disagree and agree. Obama beat Hillary in part because he opposed the Iraq war and she voted for it. So there was SOME substance there. That said, most of his appeal was on the personal side.

    I agree with you that he surrounded himself with bad counsel. Valerie Jarrett should have been kicked to the curb at the outset.

  43. I have mentioned my grad school cabinet level position paper advising that we should have dropped a surprise demonstration bomb a mile or so off the Japanese coast.

    I can understand why the government might not want to risk losing such a valuable bomb.

    I don’t care about the Whittle-Stewart dispute, but if Stewart said what it sounds like he said, it is what I wrote in grad school.

    However, if you still regard Sanders favorably, you shouldn’t mind a petty lie from Whittle. Bernie said one thing about the need to control immigration in English because large numbers of immigrants hurt wages and make it harder for natives to find work.

    Sanders told Jorge Ramos of a Spanish language network that though we must control the borders immigrants don’t lower wages and hurt job creation. Which is the real Bernie Sanders?

    Newsbusters

  44. “Before I say anymore I’m gonna get through this entire thread because I DO have something to say about war criminals.”

    And have something to say about the movie I reviewed :). I was going to submit that as a blog article and then saw you had a fresh one up.

  45. Nothing but the annilation of Japan would have induced its leaders to surrender. As it was, they were looking for a way out after the first explosion. They thought we had more A bombs than we did.

    I will never vote for Hillary or any other Democrat with the possible exception of Webb.

  46. The decision that the emperor made on August 15th is the exact same decision he could have made on July 27th.

    Which makes one wonder why they changed their mind. To listen to Whittle Bill these were madmen willing to throw explosive-wearing children under tanks. Why the change of mind?

  47. Rutherford, if your post premise was that the POTUS is a punk figurehead, then I agree with your premise.

    LOL I thought you would Pools.

    Trump is making me reevaluate what the POTUS is and what we really want from the POTUS.

  48. Rutherford you and I both mistook rabbit’s comment to refer to the teevee channel.

    Point taken. In which case Rabbit should detach his criticism from me. I don’t habituate any web site. I DO watch too much MSNBC.

  49. these were madmen willing to throw explosive-wearing children under tanks
    As per Okinawa the people were willing to do much to avoid disgrace,and the very real possibilities of what comes when the victor roams one’s streets.

  50. It’s the 70th anniversary Alfie. Not just that it’s August.
    So in five years we have to give it jade or platinum and blabber about it some more?

  51. Rutherford needs to watch the asshole’s video again. Whittle explained in detail just how far the leaders of Japan were willing to go.

    Strike 3, Rutherford. You obviously were too lazy to make it through the video.

  52. Whittle didn’t lie, Rutherford. You did.

    I owe Alfie an apology. I attributed Tigres typical dumbass comment to Alfie earlier. Sorry Alfie, shoulda known better.

    Tigre, because you’re thick as the fucking wall of China, I’ll transcribe the relevant parts before I go to bed.

  53. “To listen to Whittle Bill these were madmen willing to throw explosive-wearing children under tanks.”

    They were dumbass.

  54. “Tigre, because you’re thick as the fucking wall of China, I’ll transcribe the relevant parts before I go to bed.”

    I wait with bated breath, dumbfuck.

  55. Whittle explained in detail just how far the leaders of Japan were willing to go. … You obviously were too lazy to make it through the video.

    Tex I chose my points very deliberately. I watched all painful 16 minutes. He makes my skin crawl. Assuming he knows his history, I don’t argue with his facts. I argue with his lying about Stewart and I argue with some of his logic.

    I made reference to explosive-strapped kids Tex. that didn’t come in the first two minutes of the video. I also made reference to his grandfather not having to die in Japan thanks to Truman. That was at the END of the video.

    You’re not very good at throwing strikes.

  56. “Strike 3, Rutherford. You obviously were too lazy to make it through the video.”

    Of course. Validation and validation ONLY. Not one lick of intellectual curiosity. Too much effort.

  57. They were dumbass.

    The focus is on “madmen” dumbass. Whittle claims they were insane enough to sacrifice their entire country but he never reconciles this with their eventual decision to surrender.

  58. I can’t wait for Rutherford’s proof about being mislead — by something said about the very clip that begins Whittle’s video presentation. 🙄

    This will be good.

    Hey Mr. Pretend Outrage, remember when you lied about something you claimed I said about Coates yesterday? Or was it the day before yesterday? I wouldn’t want to lie which in your little world means you win some argument about something you can’t refute.

  59. “The focus is on “madmen” dumbass. Whittle claims they were insane enough to sacrifice their entire country but he never reconciles this with their eventual decision to surrender.”

    God, you’re fucking stupid.

    Emporer Hirohito surrendered with plenty of “madmen” willing to sacrifice their country and their lives. There were women throwing their babies off cliffs. How do YOU reconcile that?

  60. I pray you don’t really think you’re saying something persuasive. Your flailing around is just embarrassing.

  61. Ok now that I’ve finished the thread, two things:

    1) Stewart’s guest basically issued a verbal ultimatum, a dare of sorts, to call Truman a war criminal. Rather than wilt under the attempted checkmate, Stewart said, basically, yeah fuck you, he WAS a war criminal. It was Stewart’s way of telling the guest “I’m not gonna let you think you’re upping the ante on this. I’ll meet you and raise you if need be. ” More method of argument than actual opinion.

    2) In answer to Whittle Bill, YES YES YES FDR and Lincoln WERE war criminals. War is legitimized crime. The death and destruction of war are illegal, crimes, under any other circumstances. But we toss up the word war and suddenly what would be criminal under any other circumstance is somehow ok. “All is fair in love and war.”

    I guaran-fuckin-tee you the South considered Lincoln a war criminal.

  62. Is it stupidity, or is Peter Pan just in complete denial? Bill Whittle not only covered all these talking points in full, Peter repeats the idiocy from the flack Stewart. All of these questions were answered.

    Rutherford, now you’re lying to yourself. That video utterly destroyed any least semblance of doubt about how wrong both of you are.

    And “R” is forgetting something else about your hero, Jon Jon. Stewart apologized the groveled the next day after making the stupid comments.

  63. I realized in my haste to write the main piece we should be discussing, I left a point out.

    Even when the candidate spells out policy he so often does NOT deliver once elected. Another reason for the public to not care about specific policy. So often it’s just broken promises.

  64. Ok first I didn’t mean to suggest Whittle made up the bit about the kids. Again you missed my point. It’s not Whittle’s facts that I take issue with. It’s the way he employs them.

    His premise is these folks were so batshit crazy that we needed to drop two a-bombs on them. But he doesn’t explain why 2 – not 3 or 4. He credits the bombing with ending the war while at the same time suggesting the enemy was so nutso that the first bomb didn’t even make a difference. There’s a logical problem there.

    To Alfie: are you saying Japan actually feared Stalin more than us and that drove their final decision?

  65. “But we toss up the word war immigration and suddenly what would be criminal under any other circumstance is somehow ok.”

    I am not really comparing the 2 things, but I couldn’t help but hear your “people aren’t illegal” speech in your comment here.

  66. “ET thanks for the link but as I said the vid won’t even play on an iPhone. I’ll transcribe once I’m back at my PC.”

    Oh boy. I can’t wait for the Big Lie!

    Go to 4:40. I wouldn’t want you to suffer up to that point since that’s where the discussion takes place.

  67. “His premise is these folks were so batshit crazy that we needed to drop two a-bombs on them. But he doesn’t explain why 2 – not 3 or 4.”

    Yep. He’s go that covered. It’s the same reason there wasn’t one to waste on the demonstration Stewart said would’ve made the next bomb on civilians “not a war crime.” The “unannounced demonstration” according one has to presume to avoid being called a liar or some such horse shit.

    There’s just no way you watched the video. You haven’t discredited Whittle one bit. And by you rown admission, you don’t dispute his facts.

  68. The “unannounced demonstration” according one has to presume to avoid being called a liar or some such horse shit.

    Wow, you’re actually getting there before I even start transcribing. Stewart spoke of an unannounced demo and Whittle claimed that Stewart said pre-announced demo. So … sounds like after reviewing the video you’re confirming what I said and moving the goal post to call it horseshit. I’ll post the transcript anyway just to rub your nose in it.

    BTW, yeah I did see Whittle Bill say we only dropped 2 bombs cos we were two poor to drop more. We sure were lucky that Nagasaki bomb turned them from insane to sane!!!!

  69. I’m hoping Alfie returns to elaborate on “SOVIET”. Seems he might have a better answer than the Nagasaki bomb had more persuasive magic than the Hiroshima one had.

  70. Show me the lie, R. Quit dissembling. Your entire line of bullshit rests on this.

    Yes, R. The second bomb changed things. They didn’t surrender after one. They did after two. You think scored a point?

    Please rub away.

  71. Rutherford – do you people even STUDY Hiroshima and Nagasaki in your slimy little excuses for schools?

    The first bomb, Fat Man, was a plutonium bomb. It was a spherical shell of plutonium with charges ’round the exterior. No, not a shell of explosives – a series – each charge composed of two, an outer fast-detonating charge and an inner slow one, in order to focus the shockwave. That was the breakthrough: learning how to focus shockwaves, so they could obtain the density of material necessary to trigger explosive fission. They weren’t sure it would detonate, so they detonated a similar device at Trinity first – but also using up a considerable amount of plutonium.

    The second, Little Boy, was a uranium bomb that had been developed in tandem with the first. It was basically a gun barrel that fired a pie-slice of uranium into a matching pie of uranium. They were pretty sure of that technology, and that one they did not test.

    I have never heard whether they had enough nuclide for another bomb of either kind; my impression was that they were out of fissile material, but fortunately never had to belly up to the bar again anyway.

    So, if that is true, doing a “demonstration” would mean they were depleting yet another aliquot of 235-U or 238-Pu that could have been used to kill Japs. And it would have meant more American deaths. Fuck the Japs if it means one more American life lost. This is war; it ain’t play.

    After the first bomb, the Emperor’s cabinet – probably led by Hideki Tojo – not sure about that one – refused to capitulate. After the second bomb, they were evenly split, and the unprecedented step was taken of asking the Emperor hisownself. He voted for surrender.

    James, you have a good head for history. Correct me there where I’m wrong.

  72. Stewart did not speak or announced or unannounced you fucking untrustworthy liar. And that would pathetically stupid anyway. Not even a reasonable inference from what Stewart said.

    But since he didn’t say announced or unannounced, and he suggests he would only be satisfied had their been a demonstration — “presumably we’d send a message to Japanese high command saying we’ve developed this super huge weapon and you need to come see this. . . etc. etc. etc.”

    Of course, there’s no lie whatsoever in that.

    So let’s see your transcript and explanation.

  73. By the way, the Allies stretched Tojo’s neck after the war was over. Jap schoolchildren used to tease his grandkids by going around making strangling noises. Nice people.

  74. R – Take the lead from DR and learn about the USS Indianapolis. We didn’t have a bomb to waste. And we had just seen the slaughter of a ground assault in Berlin four months earlier.

    I have a friend that was born in post-war Japan. She is under 5 feet. She has three younger sisters. Each about two inches taller than one born before. She believes this was due to the food, water and other necessities that were scarce because of the bombing. She remembered burned out buildings, poisoned water, disfigured adults. It was horrific. She never saw Nagasaki or Hiroshima. This was Tokyo she spoke of.

  75. I thimk Alphie is going to say the Japense surrendered after the Soviet declaration of war.

    The Soviets were not even in the ball park when it comes to island hopping and amphibious assualts. Just wasn’t going to happen.

    May it played a role in changing their mind? Perhaps, but very debatable.

    “To listen to Whittle Bill these were madmen willing to throw explosive-wearing children under tanks.”-R

    Holy fuck you are ignorant, dude. Wow.

  76. Thor, let Rutherford focus on proving the “lie” and why Stewart was right that not dropping one unannounced in the ocean first makes Truman a war criminal.

    We don’t want more problems with “verbiage” and moving goal posts.

    And I know you’d like to see him rub my nose in it.

    Then we can move on to the USS Indianapolis or some other “facts” that he’s not disputing.

  77. Rutherford, you are not educated. Not enough. You need to start reading. I’m talking basic stuff.

    I’m not saying I’m perfect. Far from it.

    But, for a guy who jerks himself to the notion of retiring and hanging around college kids as the well read and whimsical intellectual…wtf man.

  78. Dumb question, but were the bombs even capable of being dropped in water?

    I’m sure they were, but would have it necessarily been a shock and awe show of power?

  79. But, for a guy who jerks himself to the notion of retiring and hanging around college kids as the well read and whimsical intellectual…wtf man.

    You’ve always (deliberately) misunderstood that. I find the campus environment of intellectualism stimulating and invigorating. I never said anything about MY being an intellectual. .

  80. So, anyone want to to take a bet that HRC will have some health crisis before her scheduled senate testimony. Maybe it will continue to the point that she’ll need to drop out of the race?

    She can;t possibly testify with a pending investigation of this magnitude at this point.

  81. Hate to give any credence to a ET theory in the same thread that I’m battling him but he has come up with an exit strategy for HRC that never occurred to me. I’ve been trying to figure out how she doesn’t get disgraced out of the race. Tigre may be onto something.

  82. “I find the campus environment of intellectualism stimulating and invigorating.”

    So do I—but not because of the intellectualism.

  83. “Maybe it will continue to the point that she’ll need to drop out of the race?”

    Nope. With all we have heard, there are still far too many who say “If she gets the nomination I will vote for her, but…”

    She could be under investigation for murder and it wouldn’t matter. All she’d have to say is “He’s dead. What difference does it make now?” and be called “presidential” by the left.

  84.  “I’ve been trying to figure out how she doesn’t get disgraced out of the race.”

    When you “figure” that out you will leave the Democratic Party.  

  85. And I know you’d like to see him rub my nose in it. – ET

    I really don’t understand this. I didn’t watch the vid, but I don’t think he has a chance of rubbing your nose in anything on this one.

  86. “She could be under investigation for murder and it wouldn’t matter. All she’d have to say is “He’s dead. What difference does it make now?” and be called “presidential” by the left.”

    This is not an exaggeration.

  87. Dumb question, but were the bombs even capable of being dropped in water? – DR

    They were exploded a thousand or two feet above the ground. That could have been done over the sea as well. But again, they did not have one to waste. And showing the willingness to be ruthless was probably as important as the power of the bomb itself.

  88. This is not an exaggeration. – DR

    Really? Then why doesn’t she just have Bernie whacked? 🙂

    do you people even STUDY Hiroshima and Nagasaki in your slimy little excuses for schools? – The Blunder from Down Under

    If you don’t like our schools then why are you relying on James’ expertise (no offense James, just making a point, blue eyes 🙂 )? Did he study abroad?

    It’s not like we don’t all know you just googled your insight, you fake Australian fuck.

  89. Rabbit, I don’t know about the four initial bombs, but they definitely could a few years later…this is what Obama is willing to risk for our country, by the way. Think the mad mullahs will show any restraint?

  90. Every time I hear the useful idiots from Dimocratic Party mock the Republican candidates this go around, I’m going to remind these useful idiots of their “deep bench” – starting with dredging up Joe Biden and now Al Gore in exploratory committee. 😆 😆 😆

    Yep, Blimpo Gore is exploring the path to the nomination.

  91. Here’s the transcript, painstakingly copied down by me — sheer torture having to listen to Whittle over and over again to get it right.

    Jon Stewart:
    “If you dropped an atom bomb 15 miles offshore and you said “the next one is coming and hitting you” then I would think it’s ok. To drop one on a city and kill 100,000 people … I think that’s criminal.”

    Please notice, Stewart says NOTHING that suggests the bomb offshore would be anything but a surprise. Now let’s hear Whittle’s version of what Jon said. Let’s fast forward to about the 5 minute mark.

    Bill Whittle:
    “Jon Stewart says he would only be satisfied if we had demonstrated the weapon. So presumably we send a message to the Imperial High Command that says “Hey guys, how’s it going? Listen, we’ve got this super weapon that we’ve been working on for two years and even though you’ve killed 100’s of thousands of our sons and fathers ever since you sneak attacked us without warning back at Pearl Harbor, we wanted to show you what it could do. So next Sunday morning set up some lawn chairs looking out over the ocean. We’ll tell you exactly where and right at noon precisely we’ll send one of those bombers out there to drop one of these wonder weapons. But no fair trying to shoot it down just because you know exactly where and when and what to look for cos when you see the kind of splash this thing makes either you’re gonna give up on the spot or you’re going to somehow deserve what’s coming to you when you wouldn’t have deserved it otherwise if we hadn’t dropped one out in the bay.”

    Emphasis added by me. “Presumably” my ass. So let me repeat … Stewart NEVER suggested to tell the “Imperial High Command” that a demo would take place. Whittle with his snarky fucking asshole demeanor takes Stewart’s idea and makes it ludicrous with exaggeration and total bullshit.

    Bill Whittle probably got his ass whupped repeatedly in grades 1 through 12 but is now too old for someone to clean his clock. He’s a snide little fuck — which is exactly why you like him.

    He lied about what Stewart said. Done.

  92. I used Google to try to find a black conservative podcast to add to my podcast lineup and I came up with bupkis. If any of you by any chance know of any black conservatives who host a podcast (that I can subscribe to on iTunes), please let me know.

  93. Whittle mocked Stewart as well he should. Rutherford, you are so fucking slow. Do you think that plane was just going to fly in unimpeded after hundreds had been shot down? You do realize that this lie about Stewart was so harsh, that Stewart apologized for his comments?

    Here’s the question you or Stewart can’t answer. What good would it have done if he had dropped on in the dink without warning? Whittle answered that question, then mocked Stewart. How can you possibly conclude Stewart could possibly being speaking rationally when dropping one on a city didn’t stop the war?

    Everyone is laughing at you. Give it up. The guy that got his ass whipped in K-12 was the smarmy little Stewart – a rank coward if there ever was.

  94. “Whittle with his snarky fucking asshole demeanor takes Stewart’s idea and makes it ludicrous with exaggeration and total bullshit.”

    This is your big argument, Rutherford? Really?

    C’mon man. Exaggerated snark is how Jon Stewart made his living, for Christ’s sake. When he did it, it was called “news”. When others do it to him, it’s called “total bullshit”.

    Imagine that….

  95. “He lied about what Stewart said. Done.” -R

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    cough. . .cough

    You are a fucking LIAR of epic proportions.

    Those are going to be some mighty heavy duty rap sessions in Cambridge. That was a thorough take down. Oh, my nose. . .

    HahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. . . .

    weeze. . . weeze. . .

    Thanks for laughs, Muffy. Please don;t ever invite Rutherford to engage in this level of stupidity again by asking him to watch or read something that doesn’t validate his ignorant unread ass.

  96. Sensico up in dis hizouse. Belkey up in dis bizaaaaatch!

    Just tell yourself, this man is 50 plus years old as you read his “argument” (lol).

    When I see him make a fool out of himself this way I actually get scared. This dolt knows who I am! Fuck!!! Fuuuuuuuck!!!

    Detached as fuck!

    “Really? Then why doesn’t she just have Bernie whacked?” -Thor

    My comment was about the left and their support of a candidate this dirty.

  97. By they way, I think you presumably WOULD have to give some kind of warning.

    As Tex shows, that explosion in the ocean is impressive. But, there is no epic path of destruction. Satellite imagery doesn’t exist yet. Unless you did it next to a large, defended city (and have possible fall out anyways)….it wouldn’t even be effective as a super warning. Does a tree make a sound if it falls in the forest and nobody is there to see it?

    It’s not like Japense social media is going to explode over the explosion….

    I can’t believe I’m even having this discussion. I don’t have the extra IQ points to lose.

  98. re: would the original A-bombs burst in water. They were detonated by altitude. I don’t remember the exact altitude, but I think it was around 300 metres (about 1k feet) above the ground. So to answer the question, yes – they would work anywhere.

    re: Japs surrendered after Soviets got in the war. Actually, the Soviets kept attacking the Japs and taking territory for a week or more AFTER the Japs surrendered. Typical Stalin.

    re: Parker repeats Whittle video. Haven’t seen it. Sorry.

    re: bomb “demonstrations,” Any military strategist – from Sun Tzu to Schwarzkopf (sp?) will tell you that the best way to limit lives lost is to be as vicious and overwhelming as possible, so the enemy will lose the will to fight. Secondly, the Allies were very sure the Japs wouldn’t try to shoot down a lone B-29 – unless, of course, they knew what it was carrying – one of a very limited number of bombs that – if dropped on a city – could make them surrender. (Jesus, I’m sucked into this second-guessing lunacy, too. Look guys, it’s over.)

    re: “Really? Then why doesn’t she just have Bernie whacked?”

    Think that’s not a possibility? Who were the two … Susan and (?) McDougal? She refused to turn State’s evidence against the Clintons and eventually walked. Her husband said he’d talk, and a man with no previous heart disease died from a heart attack in prison. And there was Vince Foster – chilling, actually. How did the old bumper sticker go? “If Vince Foster had owned a gun, he’d be alive today.”

    That was the problem between the FBI and the Clintons – Louie Freeh thought Bill a criminal. He and she are a good match in that way, actually.

  99. “re: Parker repeats Whittle video. Haven’t seen it. Sorry.”

    Verbatim.

    Now lecturing people with information already aired. Geee, you’re so smart and illuminating. 🙄

  100. No offense taken, Thor. I did more than study abroad. I LIVED abroad.

    Besides researching my family history, I talked to people and read a lot. My wife was a substitute teacher and had contact with British schools, so we had some idea of what the Essex schools were teaching.

    Rutherford took umbrage over Whittle’s alleged lie. What about Sander’s speaking with forked tongue? I will take the supposed lie seriously when Rutherford addresses Sander’s saying one thing to an English audience and another to a Spanish speaking network.

    My plan would have been to drop the first bomb in the harbor, close enough to demonstrate its destructive power while vaporizing only the shore line. The Soviets were icing on the cake, but I believe the primary motivation for Japanese surrender was the two big bombs. No one had seen anything like them before. The psychological effect was notable.

    A government report estimated the difficulty and number of casualties needed to defeat the home islands.

    We all know Stewart was a propagandist for the left and he had regular meetings with the White House, probably to coordinate attacks on conservatives.

    Its over. Nothing can change the past except to use the past to help political allies or to hurt enemies now.

    Stewart has done his last show, and I wish he is retired, though like a fungus he probably is not gone.

    “What at this point, does it matter?”

  101. My comment was about the left and their support of a candidate this dirty. – DR

    I was just goofing, but now, according to the whack from outback, she really might be having people offed. A drunk Poolman. Geeez.

  102. “When will the government start respecting us, when we are already gone? I don’t want my children to read about me in a museum.” Sofia Jannok

    I have ranted about the “occupying regime” which is trying to destroy our country and remake it into something else. This morning’s Betsy’s page shows how right I am with links to various stories.

    Much of what we know about Hillary comes from Judicial Watch’s applying the Freedom of Information Act and the actions of a few judges. The Bill Clinton administration used the IRS to attack Judicial Watch during his scandals.

    It remains to be seen if the Justice Department or the FBI actually investigates as they would a Republican. The double standard is blatant as justice becomes politicized. This is only one feature of a foreign ideology which the left is inflicting on us.

    I can’t change anything, but I can irritate some of you with another video.

  103. An Iowa poll shows Sanders ahead of Clinton. Iowa is in some ways, two states. The East is Liberal, and the West conservative with more of a plains culture. Western Iowa also has a climate more like eastern and central Nebraska’s.

    When cities grew on the western border, they took the path of least resistance and built their trade areas westward where few towns were. The resultant cultural mixing makes western Iowa different from the East.

    Obama illustrated the difference during our flood. He visited the East twice and resisted pleas to visit the flood zone because he didn’t have time. It was one of the biggest floods in European settlement history, but Obama didn’t care because most of the people from Montana to Missouri had voted against him.

    Some of our land was under water from June to November. Interstates were destroyed. Acres of farm land are still buried under sand. There is so much sand in places that the Tekamah, Nebraska automated weather reporting station still reports a few degrees high during many days.

    Obama didn’t visit because he knew we weren’t his people.

  104. A drunk Poolman. Geeez.

    No, that’s the scariest part. Poolman is stone cold sober when he posts his shit. If he were flying on ‘ludes, eatin about a pound of the whacky weed, or suffering from meth psychosis, I might be able to better understand how somebody could be that twisted.

    Makes you wonder how many others are driving around out there this whacked out.

    If we really knew, most of us probably would never have the nerve to leave the house without body armor, carrying a minimum of a .45…

  105. Thanks for laughs, Muffy. Please don;t ever invite Rutherford to engage in this level of stupidity again by asking him to watch or read something that doesn’t validate his ignorant unread ass.

    I knew it was a waste of time. You’re wrong Tigre. And the wild part is you have the two quotes in front of you and either you’re too stupid to read OR willingly in denial.

    The excerpt I quoted HINGES on something Stewart did not say. The entire “mockery” lives or dies on the premise that Stewart said the warning blast should be pre-announced, which he did not say. And which he WOULD not say since it’s an incredibly stupid idea.

    But I realized something after a good nights sleep. Some of you love Whittle because he’s an intellectual bully. He does exactly what a couple of you do … put words in your opponents mouth and then go to town on it. In intellectual circles, it’s playing dirty.

    Later I’ll go find this apology Stewart gave. I’m guessing it was mostly about tone.

  106. I recently posted a video of Sofia Jannok’s putting on a Sami costume. Some of her translated lyrics fit the current state of liberalism and political debate.

    “I was here first, not last. Don’t treat me like a legal wrangle between yours, mine, lines on a form of historical inventions and lies. Anti- racist–my ass when you do not see from all whom you have stolen your cash.”

    She could be a Trump or Sanders fan girl.

    My cousin used to drive a truck. He said if one knew the mental states and exhaustion of many drivers, motorists would be afraid to share the roads with truckers.

  107. “The excerpt I quoted HINGES on something Stewart did not say.”

    Just admit you were wrong and move on, Rutherford. This is just getting sad.

    And there’s nothing that Whittle said that’s different from what others before him have said in response to the exact same stupid thing Stewart said and later apologized for.

    Please stop.

  108. The entire “mockery” lives or dies on the premise that Stewart said the warning blast should be pre-announced, which he did not say.

    Are you this deceived or this disingenuous? Perhaps it is truly just Peter Pan naivety and ignorance.

    The premise of the video is based that Jon Stewart calling Harry Truman a war criminal when asked. The secondary issue is Whittle mocking Stewart for thinking a nuclear bomb dropped 15 miles off shore would work – surprise or no surprise. How was Japan suppose to observe if they weren’t warned?

    And Whittle then went into great detail explaining why even the suggestion by Stewart is the mind of a lightweight, with example after example, analogy after analogy. He humiliated Stewart’s suggestion and you cannot deal with it. It makes you angry because you’re running out of heroes.

    Jon Stewart is not the intellectual heavyweight your Lefties wish to make him, Rutherford. You would think you would learn, after seven years ago telling us the brilliance of Obama whose proven a useful idiot and poorly read fool. There is nobody in the Democratic Party a heavyweight these days, perhaps besides George Soros – and his motives pure evil. And there hasn’t been in politic since the death of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, best I can tell either.

    Your party has become little more than the party of platitudes, corrupt courts and manipulation of the idiot mob. It’s why everything your party touches turns to shit. And I do mean everything.

    The irony is that your own life gets appreciably worse under Democratic rule. And you’re too proud to admit it. Your ego won’t let you admit how defeatist your ideology and how bankrupt it’s politic. The perfect lackey for Hope & Change.

  109. James here’s the difference between Stewart and Whittle from my POV. Stewart comes out of the shoot saying “I’m going to try and score political points using humor.” Whittle “presumably” says I’m going to score political points by educating people on the facts of the matter. This gives Stewart license to use all the tools of humor: parody, exaggeration, satire, etc.

    Now if Whittle wants to rebrand himself a humorist or the Mark Twain of our time, then fine. Until then, he’s a serious commentator using very unserious methods to ridicule his opponent.

    And again, he’d fit right in here at the bar because guys like Tex, Tigre and Rabbit thrive on ad hominem, ridicule and abuse of the opponent.

    But you know I’ve learned something. Tex, Tigre and Rabbit are really just comedians so it’s all good.

  110. Here, Rutherford. Perky Katie took her best Palin gotcha shot at the newest Republican female to demonize and got her butt handed back to her. Still think the woman is stupid?

  111. Until then, he’s a serious commentator using very unserious methods to ridicule his opponent.

    It’s getting worse and worse for Peter Pan.

    Unserious methods which effectively so neutralized, then marginalized your hero, that you’re still trying to defend the indefensible three days later. Yes, I’m now laughing at you.

    This must be parody. Jon Stewart is a lot of things. A serious man is not one of them – his methods the most unserious of them all. R buddy, you don’t have a lot of room to criticize about serious. Not after our post-racial President, you don’t.

  112. Makes you wonder how many others are driving around out there this whacked out.

    Imagine it from my perspective. I venture into a world of whacked delusionals daily. They’re on the teevee, on the internet, on the freeway, in the shops, on the sidewalk. My only weapon – the Spirit of truth.

    But then, such is the journey along that narrow path. 🙂

  113. Refraining from jumping in2thefray of Whittle v Stewart I will comment as follows.
    Rutherford history rarely occurs within a vacuum and the events leading up to the close of the war certainly were an open air affair.
    The Japanese and Soviets had a Neutrality treaty. The terms of the treaty were such that it’s renewal was a 12 month deal. It s generally accepted that the Japanese were aware of Stalins Yalta agreement to wage war on Japan once Germany was out. The terms the Soviets had for attacking Japan worked out as it was to be August 9th.
    From April on the Soviets and Japanese were courting diplomacy regards extending the Neutrality Act and seeing if the Soviets would moderate discussions with the Allies.
    Well come August over 1 million Soviets entered Manchuria and took away a number of holdings from the Japanese..
    Keep in mind also that as de attain gas A bombs were the Japanese were no strangers to Dresden like bombing. Bottom line the complete lack of real options and obvious defeat ended the war not two “boys”.

  114. I’ll accept your interpretation Rutherford, but what about Sanders? He was also scoring political points by telling two different stories to two different people.

    Politicians do that. So do news reporters, commentators and Jon Stewart. Do you care? If you don’t, why should you care about Whittle? If you do care, shouldn’t you criticize the others at the same time?

  115. That’s right, Alfie. The Soviet invasion after a neutrality agreement expired was a heavy psychological blow, but so were the two bombs. Both worked in tandem.

    These bombs were worse than the incendiary attacks which probably killed more people than the nukes. After effects such as radiation sickness were a greater potential drain on the society than incinerated people.

    Moreover, the Japanese had no idea how many more such bombs would drop.

    The Japanese and Germans had their own nuclear projects, and they would likely have used bombs against us. A neighbor who had been a German prisoner of war said he had heard strange sounds in captivity. He later learned he had been hearing experimental jet engines.

  116. “Refraining from jumping in2thefray of Whittle v Stewart I will comment as follows…”

    For my part in asking Rutherford if he watched the video, it was not meant to be a Whittle vs Stewart choice. This thread over-delivered in that regard and that’s no one’s fault (nor to my credit) but Rutherford’s. This was not what I expected.

    It was meant to be a choice of consequence insofar as one knowing one’s own mind and heart. I watched Rutherford take exception at the idea that abortion was not a moral dilemma in the previous thread. I thought the bomb was like that. I thought Stewart lost this badly and in doing so sacrificed what little remained of his credibility as an intellectual, even though emotion was on his side here.

    I heard the song “New York Minute” recently and I’ve always liked the lyric – “what the head makes cloudy, the heart makes very clear.” I also read something recently about the “gut” as our second brain. Literally our digestive system.

    Rutherford you have no reason to toss and turn over this. You are wrong but it’s not a gut check failure. Which is much worse than it being a head check failure, IMO, if that makes any sense.

  117. A group of Japanese students of mine turned me on to a stunning anime film called “Grave of the Fireflies.” Graphic novels (manga) and animated films are big in Japan but the biggest difference is that they are intended for and appeal to all ages. I can’t decide who here of anyone would appreciate this but for whatever it’s worth, it’s a heartbreak.

  118. I guess I need to add that I do not tacitly consent to the insults to Tex, Tigre, and rabbit that Rutherford tossed in. Totally outlandish.

  119. “Truly, WTF are you talking about?”

    You LIED about what Whittle said. L-I-E-D.

    LIAR!!!!!

    We have no need to listen to anything out of your lying bitch-ass mouth!!!!!!!!!!

    Fucking LIAR!!!! 😆

  120. Also for what it’s worth I asked a clinical psych Phd why the Trump phenom and the reply – “People are wanting for someone who they think will tell them the truth.”

    Strange days indeed.

  121. Haaretz opinion article claims Stewart contributed to the downfall of journalism.

    He may have had good intentions, but by fusing journalism and comedy, Jon Stewart and The Daily Show elevated the credibility of infotainment to such a high level that they weakened both television journalism and the very political institutions he sought to hold accountable. In doing so, Stewart was a traitor to his own values.

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.670643

    I think though he may have contributed, the weakened credibility was well underway. That was why so many did turn toward his show for news. The main stream wasn’t giving us any. The fix was already in.

  122. I like the “Grave of the Fireflies.” Helmut came to mind. We knew him because he was the boyfriend of my wife’s boss in the Essex library where they worked.

    Helmut was forced into a Nazi youth organization. After peace returned, he returned to his home. His parents were dead and his older brother was lost on the Eastern Front.

    It was winter, and only three sides of his roofless home remained. The sixteen year old found a large tarp and fashioned a shelter. He scrounged for food and fuel and lived many cold days and nights in his home.

    He was rich when we knew him.

  123. Just admit you were wrong and move on, Rutherford.

    This is like the Twilight Zone. What I posted is as true as the sky is blue.

    Sorry, you’re wrong and I very clearly proved it.

  124. War is legitimized crime.

    No, war is the continuation of politics by other means.

    And once again, I suspect that you’re playing “Jack Handy”…reaching into your half-filled thumbleful of knowledge on a topic, and flicking droplets of assertion to the winds.

    Until you demonstrate a knowledge of sine qua non, and the impact of Admiral Canaris’s letter to Admiral Nimitz, your precious pontifications will mean about as much a day old cup of coffee.

  125. <

    blockquote>You’re as stupid as Rabbit. You don’t not notice a fucking NUCLEAR BLAST off your coast.

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    blockquote>

    Oh, I see. Japanese stare out to sea. What? To pass the day?

    Since the water clearly masks the effect, even the vid I provided demonstrates that, and since nobody knew what a nuclear blast looked like but the people who created it, how would the Japanese know it wasn’t 10,000 tons of TNT, Peter? Geiger counters on the shoreline to measure ionizing radiation? 😈

    Listen Peter Pan. I know you know nothing about physics. And I know you know nothing about religion. And I know you know nothing about economics.

    But you know even less about strategic warfare. I find it wonderfully amusing to a man once smitten with the profundity of Yes….We….Can! Pull out the Stewart greatest hits and cheer while I laugh at you some more.

  126. “Sorry, you’re wrong and I very clearly proved it.”

    You’re seriously delusional. Give it the fuck up. You’ve hit bottom. Stop digging. You’ve proved absolutely the opposite.

    Hey maybe they’d happen to have their cell phones available to film an unexpected nuclear explosion. 🙄

    Just cut the shit. I am painfully embarrassed for you. Really.

  127. And there hasn’t been in politic since the death of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, best I can tell either.

    I find it funny you laud the only Dem in 45 years to call out blacks for their sick culture. Coinkydink? I think not.

  128. Jon’s “methods the most unserious of them all.” – Tex

    Yup that’s what I said. We can end the debate easily by you and Tigre telling me I’m wrong about one particular thing. Tell me I’ve misunderstood Whittle and he’s been a humorist/satirist all along. If that’s his gig, then I still think he’s an asshole but I won’t argue with his methods.

  129. My only weapon – the Spirit of truth.
    But then, such is the journey along that narrow path. 🙂

    Don’t worry Pools. You’ve always got Brother Nate to walk that lonely path with you. 😊

  130. Bottom line the complete lack of real options and obvious defeat ended the war not two “boys”.

    Thanks Alfie. That’s where I thought you were headed. Let me ask you this. Do you think the human toll of wearing Japan down would have been too great if we hadn’t dropped the boys?

  131. Uh oh, Tex. Rutherford won’t admit he’s wrong. Duuuuh. . . I guess that means he’s right. He proved Whittle is a liar.

  132. Not for nothing but I find it very interesting that we have a fairly healthy relationship with Japan despite our blowing it to smithereens. A very humble people? Very forgiving?

  133. Rutherford, I never realized you a Stewart apologist and bootlicker until this week. You gotta get over this hang up you have with flacks like Stewie who when asked to put up or shut up, are demonstrated as empty vessels. Stewie had his run. He got out when the opportunity arose, realizing all but this bootlickers had deemed him a hustler. Like Obama.

    If Moynihan did that, all the more reason to admire the intellect. The one thing you cannot deny. Moynihan was clearly a prophet of failed culture. 😉

    P.S. – You’re wrong about “just about” everything. Does that suffice?

  134. what about Sanders? He was also scoring political points by telling two different stories to two different people.

    Could you elaborate? I don’t know to what you’re referring.

  135. A comedian with marching orders directly from the fucking white house. What a joke.

    I’ll insult you in the humblest way imaginable.

    You’re trying desperately to out-stupid my stupidity.

    He met with the fucking prez TWICE – it wasn’t SECRET – and it was a far cry from Fox NEWS getting its talking points straight from the Bush admin.

    Stop making a fool of yourself.

  136. I think though he may have contributed, the weakened credibility was well underway. That was why so many did turn toward his show for news. The main stream wasn’t giving us any. The fix was already in.

    James I didn’t read the article but I think based on your summary, your conclusion is valid.

    The Daily Show didn’t pull people from legit news. Legit news pushed people to the Daily Show by being incompetent.

    It’s one reason why Fox and especially CNN were targets of Stewart.

  137. He met with the fucking prez TWICE – it wasn’t SECRET – and it was a far cry from Fox NEWS getting its talking points straight from the Bush admin.

    The true little fascist comes out. No Faux News? Dissent cannot be tolerated condemning and ridiculing the idiocy of Rutherford’s heroes. Remember, and it seems so long ago, when any disagreement or utterance of the profane against the worship of a Sham could not be tolerated? RACIST! Rutherford, when stripped bare, you’re a wannabee goose stepper. You just don’t got the stones or the brains to pull it off. The reality is you’re a lemming marching to the latest Prog fad – Mothball Bernie.

    Clearly Stewart is a flack for the failed Obama, throwing red meat to the mindless dupes day after day. Some of it was funny. Most of it was brainless innuendo from a cabal of comedy writers. I’m actually a little surprised you were one of the rubes. As little credence as I give you about important ‘stuff’, I can actually say until this week, I thought you better than that. I should have known. 😆

  138. James I didn’t read the article but I think based on your summary, your conclusion is valid.

    Rutherford, not sure if James feels that way. That quote you posted was my comment.

  139. I don’t know why it is so shocking that Stewart met with Bobo. Hell, we know the CIA staffs the media. Fox and the previous administration were obvious bed partners. Besides, our news has long been propaganda. The only difference today is has been made legal for the media to propagandize Americans. To think these mouthpieces think or speak on their own accord is where the real insanity comes in.

  140. “”Fox NEWS getting its talking points straight from the Bush admin.”

    Who and when?

    We’re all aware that Dems voted Stewart as their most trusted news source. So I’m not sure why you upper cased NEWS but are you suggesting Stewart’s visits are less unsavory than anyone from Fox or MSNBC?

    This “he claims he’s a comedian” excuse for lying and irresponsibility is lame. You’re making up support for your conclusions out of thin air and making up the rules for the lame excuses as you go.

  141. @ Rutherford
    Operations Olympic and Coronet would’ve been costly in time,money and lives.
    I don’t think the weapons were in theater but the US had seven more bombs available.

  142. Let’s note the rules here…

    “Comedians” are permitted to say whatever they want—however they want—and it’s all good—because they are comedians just doing what comedians do.

    Anyone who is not a comedian may not use the tactics of a comedian—even when engaging a comedian.

    Presidents may not confer with news outlets to get out their talking points, but they may confer with comedians, who people admit to getting their news from, to get out their talking points.

    Rutherford thinks the message is somehow different because the messenger is different. It doesn’t occur to him that if that were the case, the president would not have conferred with the comedian.

  143. Maybe the entire point of Stewart visiting the white house was to cause consternation with so called conservatives. IT’S WORKING! 😆

  144. Comedians are allowed to say whatever they want. “journalists” are not.

    I also want to say everyone here should be drinking heavily. Drunken stupor at least would explain the energy wasted upon much of this thread.

    I got curious and went-a- digging.
    UPON FINDING OUT THAT STEWARTS ORIGINAL COMMENT was from 2009 and that the convergence of the 70th anniversary of the bombings and the retirement of Stewart is somehow now yet another right wing left wing pissing match I became deeply depressed and headed to the fridge for multiple beers.
    Stewart is representative of folks who have the luxury of ultimate hindsight and heatless morality. Whittle a user of historical facts to continue perpetuating a sterile and overly jingoistic take on real history and using it to lambast someone who was (is) like many at serious odds of being from the country,the only country to unleash the atom on people.

  145. The Wolverine fire in North Central Washington has reached nearly 27,000 acres. For those of you familiar with the area, the fire is burning along the northwest end of Lake Chelan, above Lucerne. There is a Lutheran retreat there, nestled between the rugged ridges and the valley floor and, unfortunately, in the direct path of the fire. The following is a dispatch from one of the keepers that has refused to evacuate and is helping with backfires, burning the place she loves in order to save it.

    “For more than a week, the hotshot crews and our five Holdenites have been preparing the Village for the inevitable: fire coming to the Village, one way or another. The next several days are critical, and though we have been waiting for this time, there is no comfort in its arrival. This fighting-fire-with-fire business has no guarantees.

    And so the complex saga of emotions continues today: confidence in the outcome, sorrow for the forest, worry for the twin fawns and their mother that are still hovering in the Village, gratitude for our community, and admittedly, a-lot-bit scared underneath it all. The tremendous spirit of Holden, its people, the Village, our friends, and our family sustains us in these hours. With much humility, we stand in awe of our staff and the hundreds of you that have sent your prayers and love.

    With good courage,
    Peg”

    This link shows all the large fires in Washington and Oregon currently. If you click on the Wolverine blaze you can zoom to the area mentioned.

    http://gacc.nifc.gov/nwcc/information/firemap.aspx

  146. “Comedians are allowed to say whatever they want. “journalists” are not.”

    Is Bill Whittle a journalist? I don’t know a thing about the guy, and care even less than that. I’m only continuing because Rutherford’s argument is stupid and is clearly a reflection of nothing more than his previous and well-documented hatred for the man.

    A search of the word “journalist” on Whittle’s official site “About” page comes up empty. And remember, according to Rutherford’s previous argument, how the person self-identifies is the key. It doesn’t matter that people went to The Daily Show for their actual news, it only matters that Stewart regarded himself as a comedian (which I agree with, that’s all he is).

    Interestingly enough—the “About” page lists Whittle as, among other things, a writer. And one of the things it says he has written is——wait for it………

    “sketch comedy”

  147. I stocked my beer fridge earlier today, Alfie. Ventured out among the deluded into the 117 degrees. Down to 114 now. Thankful for that. Not as hot as Holden, but on par with Iraq. I love the woods, but am grateful I don’t have a home there.

    It is true comedians often speak truths that other public figures cannot due to censorship. I can see Whittle Bill as a sketchy comedian.

  148. “Huck I wasn’t calling Whittle a journalist I was following up on the theme within your comment,you used the term news outlet”

    Yes I did. But I didn’t use it when I was commenting on who can say what and when and how, but when I commented presidents feeding talking points.

    We will have to consult with Rutherford on this, but I think under the new rules, you’ve just lied about what I said. I’ll wait until the blog host weighs in before I add any vulgarities.

    (I’ll add that that was sarcasm, just so it’s clear)

    It’s also interesting that on Comedy Central’s page for Jon Stewart, it does list him as a comedian, but also brags that “surveys have shown that the overwhelming majority of men and women under the age of 35 list “The Daily Show” as their primary source of television news.” Whittle sure isn’t making any claims that anyone comes to him for news.

    With all of that aside, this film, Rosewater, he was involved in looks interesting. I will see about checking it out and give a review.

  149. Art doesn’t have to be honest but the artist has a responsibility to be honest about being honest. Stewart amassed a large collection of awards for outstanding achievements in news and information. Him shrugging and squeaking “I’m just a comedian” and it’s a fake news show” with a wink and a nod to the left doesn’t excuse him when he has the facts wrong or otherwise doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    Interesting to see that Fox News suddenly IS news. Until it’s not again.

  150. It was Poolman’s quote, but I agree.

    Rutherford, the link was on Newsbusters. Bernie Sanders said we need to close the borders because uncontrolled immigration hurts employment for native Americans.

    Jorge ? a commentator for a Spanish language network, called Sanders on it. He agreed about the need to regulate the border, but he criticized the rest of Sanders’ comment.

    Bernie said well, he was just answering a question and miss spoke. Of course new immigration doesn’t affect the native unemployment rate.

    This incident is a small matter, but if Mr. Whittle is condemned for lying, Sanders deserves at least a frown.

    Politico says Stewart visited the White House at two important policy chapters, and he and his staff often communicated with the White House via phone calls and e mails.

    I am not upset about Jon’s relationship with the Obama people. I merely noted the connection. That Stewart was a propagandist for the left is not worthy of distress. It is just something to be noted.

  151. Stewart is representative of folks who have the luxury of ultimate hindsight and heatless morality. Whittle a user of historical facts to continue perpetuating a sterile and overly jingoistic take on real history and using it to lambast someone who was (is) like many at serious odds of being from the country,the only country to unleash the atom on people.

    All I can say is thank you Alfie.

  152. “Not for nothing but I find it very interesting that we have a fairly healthy relationship with Japan despite our blowing it to smithereens. A very humble people? Very forgiving?”

    My experience with young Japanese generation Z has been that they seem willing to share the deep regret.

  153. Thor, I have been in the area. I can imagine how it must be and I am glad we are far away. Several weeks ago so much smoke blew south from Canada the high temperature was five degrees cooler than forecast, and we had spectacular sunsets.

    The weather service says we may have an historic el nino this winter. Believe it when you see it, but we do have hope for winter storms in the West.

    117 is too hot for me. 90 degrees was bad enough today.

    Yes, the two boys saved lives. The Japanese were so determined many of them who were stranded in Southeast Asia fought and hid for years.

    I like That Marmalade song. It describes my attitude when I came home. I was 27 and felt 50. Now, I am 72 and feel 30.

  154. I dedicate this video to all the other atomic bombs that didn’t get to do their job

    Isn’t the plan NOT to use them, or is that old school? That’s how Americans were sold. Their job therefore IS accomplished.

    Anyway, I thought I’d introduce the use of mini nukes that are common in our modern battle zones. There are some who have claimed these have been used, even if the official account says not.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/25-years-us-special-forces-carried-miniature-nukes-their-backs-180949700/?no-ist

  155. Thor I never knew “fight fire with fire” had a literal meaning. I used to think tornadoes and earthquakes the most horrific of nature’s temper tantrums but I’m beginning to fear fire the most.

  156. And one of the things it says he has written is——wait for it………
    “sketch comedy”

    Huck, interesting to know. And as I said earlier, the only way I lose my “stupid argument” is if I’m holding Whittle to too high a standard. If he fancies himself a satirist whose bread and butter is lampooning the left, then what else should I expect from him?

    But then I submit the worship he gets from Tex etal is on a par with my feelings for Stewart. We’re both admiring the work of a clown.

  157. R, I think I’d rather get squished than burned so I guess I’m with you on this one. 🙂

    Is Hannity a journalist? I never really considered him one, but he did peel this layer off the Donald.

    “On Tuesday night, the Republican presidential front-runner defended the women’s health services provider in an interview on Fox News’ Hannity. Trump noted that abortion was a “fairly small part” of what Planned Parenthood does and that “we have to look at the positives also for Planned Parenthood.”

    “They do good things,” he said, interrupting interviewer Sean Hannity’s question.

    “They do good things.”

    Donald Trump on Planned Parenthood
    While Trump insisted that he’s “totally against the abortion aspect of Planned Parenthood,” he expressed reluctance to eliminate all federal funding for the organization, something that a number of conservative Republicans, including some of his presidential rivals, are demanding after the release of undercover videos showing some Planned Parenthood officials discussing the cost of fetal tissue for medical research.

    “I’ve had many Republican, conservative women come up and say Planned Parenthood serves a good function, other than that one aspect,” Trump said.”

  158. We will have to consult with Rutherford on this, but I think under the new rules, you’ve just lied about what I said. I’ll wait until the blog host weighs in before I add any vulgarities.

    Ok cut the crap.

    So here’s the walk-back Tigre soooo loves from me. Let’s say Whittle didn’t “lie” but he sure as fuck distorted what Stewart said and I consider it dirty pool from a supposedly intelligent commentator. Oh, I forgot. He’s a satirist.

  159. Emergency Broadcast System just came on. Level 3 evac for communities near the North Star fire. This one is in Grand Coulee country, near where Chief Joseph is buried. Wind is picking up. This whole f’ing state is on fire.

  160. Interesting to see that Fox News suddenly IS news. Until it’s not again.

    I can only go on what Fox News claims to be. They say they are news. Stewart says, however disingenuously, that he’s a comedian. So yeah I DO think their getting talking points straight from the Bush Oval is FAR more disturbing than a self-professed comedian visiting the Oval TWICE.

    And as I’ve said before, if Obama needed a comedian to spread his propaganda, that’s pretty damn pathetic.

    But we live in a new age. Obama has been on “Between Two Ferns” and the WTF Podcast.

  161. James, I heard on the radio that Bernie was anti-immigration (from a Sanders critic) so thanks for shedding light on it … I didn’t know what the radio guy was talking about.

  162. My experience with young Japanese generation Z has been that they seem willing to share the deep regret.

    That does not surprise me. A few years ago I compared their ground zero with ours. They treat it as a solemn place. We build another tribute to capitalism on ours. 😏

  163. @R – I’ll ask again. Who and when – specifics. Fox is not a person. CC didnt meet with Obama.

    You might want to check out the MSNBC pundits visits for a more accurate comp.

  164. Wait. Youre dinging Whittle for DISTORTION in defense of Stewart?

    What is that, irony?

    That word sums up Stewart’s show better than any other.

  165. A few years ago I compared their ground zero with ours.

    I never understood at first why we called it ground zero. Now, however, it makes total sense.

    ground ze·ro
    noun
    1. the point on the earth’s surface directly above or below an exploding nuclear bomb.
    2. a starting point or base for some activity.

  166. Entertainment is what best sums up Stewart’s show. Maybe not always, but that seemed to be the purpose. It’s on Comedy Central, after all. If he wasn’t your cup of tea, you could choose to just not watch. We still have some freedom. I suppose his alter would be Dennis Miller.

    Distortion is what Whittle Bill does on laughter burner.

  167. Thor, Trump is putting Republicans in a real bind. He is resonating across age groups and ideologies. He’s calling out the liars and fakes. He is, in short, the Republican party’s worst nightmare.

  168. But then I submit the worship he gets from Tex etal is on a par with my feelings for Stewart. We’re both admiring the work of a clown.

    Being I don’t consider you so much a clown as much as I consider you a bench warmer and rejected cheerleader for failed causes, there is something you can’t do and haven’t made the attempt about that Whittle video.

    You can pettifog about poor Jon Jon being misconstrued trying to distract from the purpose of the video which was done to expose not just Stewart but the entire American hatin’ Left as a bunch of historical imbeciles and fools. And it did so incredibly effectively. That video is three years old and is still making the rounds and lighting Lefty and closet hatin’ American “moderates” cough cough asses on fire.

    And that is why you’re really angry.

    Because Whittle exposes your latest pet fad as an inane flack and comedian emperor with no clothes, catering to millions of Hope & Change rubes also laid naked.

  169. He is, in short, the Republican party’s worst nightmare.

    😆 Clueless wishful thinking. I think you need to start worrying about your failed religion of Prog politic. Even Bernie the Greece is saying the last seven years have been a massive failure. 😆

    Has that not registered that Bernie is calling the Obama Presidency a horrible failure?

    When the best you can pose is a lawless plutocrat and cover to a serial rapist, a coward and traitor, an inane, unkempt curmudgeon identifying as socialist, a bloated climate change scammer, and the stupidest white man in Washington, and all of them are old farts, it ain’t the Republicans that should be worried about anything.

  170. You know Tex, if the late great Christopher Hitchens had laid into Stewart, I might not have agreed but I wouldn’t have been pissed. Whittle doesn’t have one tenth the intellect of Hitchens.

  171. Tex I’ve said from day 1 that this time around the dems have a weak bench. I also said the GOP had a strong one.

    But then … along came Trump. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  172. Trump is serving an incredibly useful purpose to a Republican bench – hogging the feckless media and keeping the rest of the candidates on message. I actually enjoy the short-lived notoriety for another charlatan. This is the nothing burger you wish to speak, try as you might to hide your own personal weaknesses of your religion. Cause célèbre for a mindless public.

    But you desperately want it to be an issue…because your party is in big trouble and you know it. Not only has Obama failed, but he’s damaged the brand considerably too. Poetic justice of sorts.

  173. I don’t think Whittle Bill is lacking in intellect. I just find him obnoxious. The puffed-up self-important arrogant attitude. It makes it difficult to take him seriously or patiently follow him through the distortion to his conclusion. Then to decide if I agree with him or not. Generally not. I choose to not make the effort.

  174. It becomes more obvious daily that Trump is in there for the sake of Helleerie. Now he will need to say he won’t run third party if they are to let him continue in the debates, from what I gather. I think all the other candidates know his intended purpose. Too bad none have the nads to say so.

    Tex, do you think he’s a viable GOP contender? Sounds like you’re buying him as authentic.

  175. Trump is not an honest broker. He always exaggerates big time. I guess honesty isn’t what we really want in a president. Honesty is seen as a vulnerability in today’s world. And that makes sense. It’s an evil world where honest people are at a disadvantage and morality a handicap. 😐

  176. @thor – Nothing. That was satire.

    Trumps responses arent intended to last more than few hours. Kinda like Hillarys.

  177. Those are powerful pics, Tex. I read that they are now having flash flood problems in those areas because of the loss of ground cover.

    I saw that Trump is going to introduce Def Leppard at the Iowa State Fair. Mr. “Hair” is going to introduce a “Hair” band. 🙂

    And yes, I am aware that the science isn’t settled on whether or not DL is actually a hair band.

  178. Made one dumb mistake flashing a custom ROM on my phone. As of right now I have no OS and its not letting flash stock. Fuck. Why do I do this nerdy shit.

  179. “That does not surprise me. A few years ago I compared their ground zero with ours. They treat it as a solemn place. We build another tribute to capitalism on ours. 😏”

    A bit of a “Fuck you!” to the Arabs in that, wot? I LIKE that.

    If I were the architect, I’d have built the WTCs back on the original plans, except a bit more fireproof – and one more thing:

    I’d have built them one foot taller.

  180. “re: Parker repeats Whittle video. Haven’t seen it. Sorry.”

    ‘Verbatim. Now lecturing people with information already aired. Geee, you’re so smart and illuminating.’

    Wish I could return the compliment.

  181. Got a news flash on any wild fires or something that you could share Pfesser? Maybe some trivial blather about combustion or ham radios or flight dynamics of aerial firefighters to throw on top to impress?

  182. “Let’s say Whittle didn’t “lie” but he sure as fuck distorted what Stewart said and I consider it dirty pool from a supposedly intelligent commentator.”

    Yeah. That was a thorough take down you leveled Rutherford. You sure trashed him. 😆 😆 😆

  183. One commentor insulted Fox News by writing it is considered news “this week.” In reality, the Fox news section is often more accurate than the rest of the liberal press.

    Politico reported that another judge said the temporary ban on the release of more Planned Parenthood videos will probably soon end. Stem Express will not be able to see the other videos until we all do.

    Yesterday Stem Express announced they are severing ties with Planned Parenthood. The reporter observed that for them to do that, the company must think the remaining videos are really really bad.

    Virtually no one has reported this development. The Newsbusters writer observed that if we see it on network television, Fox News will probably be the source. I believe it.

    For someone to write that Fox is not a true news organization while it competes with propaganda and public relations organs on the left is living in a world as real as the amine cartoon I posted.

  184. Poolman,

    Tex, do you think he’s a viable GOP contender? Sounds like you’re buying him as authentic.

    Well, I certainly don’t think Trump is authentic for President – maybe one step past Obama in authenticity. 🙂 I think Trump is a shameless and transparent self-promoter and has made billions doing so. Shows how superficial the taste in this country.

    If Trump happens to be the candidate, I don’t believe I would even vote. A country that unserious doesn’t deserve my support.

    As to whether Trump could win? I thought Barack Obama couldn’t win in 2012 he had been so absolutely rotten for four years. I’m still to this day stunned that America had grown that stupid. My gawd, the jackass had run up almost $5 trillion in debt in less than four years with nothing to show for it, Obamacare, two failed wars, a failed stimulus, and half again increase in food stamps. And still Obama won.

    I suppose Trump could win. I certainly don’t understand this country anymore – obviously. But I don’t think the hoodwinked masses of women are as infatuated with the Donald as they were the Bomba. Frankly, this women folk who vote for assholes like Obama are going to get their payback one day. Soon. I’ll have no sympathies either.

  185. I don’t know how prevalent this bizarre behavior is on many college campuses. But apparently on the coasts (figures), it must be pretty damn prevalent. This is great… 😆 Hoisted by their own twisted petard.

    The coming perfect storm on American college campuses — one that feminists and other professional victims will hate it

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/08/13/the-coming-perfect-storm-on-american-college-campuses-one-that-feminists-and-other-professional-victims-will-hate-it/

  186. ABC News “ISIS Leader al-Baghdadi repeatedly raped US hostage Kayla Mueller” She was given to al, and he prayed before he raped and tortured her. What he did was Allah’s will. Many other girls and women still suffer the same fate.

    One of the commenters wrote that he survived one of the most vicious fire fights of his life in 2003. They discovered why. Hundreds of heads were lined up in neat rows for identification purposes. The soldiers had been feeding men, women and children into plastic shredders while they were still alive.

    The remains were in hundreds of coffins lined up in neat rows. Other coffins were outside on the edge of a cemetary which was filled with graves of others who had been shredded alive.

    Their doctor tried to help the screaming children, but all he could do was ease their pain.

    A civil society kills to preserve life. An uncivil society kills and tortures because it wants and needs to.

    The bombing of Japan applies to the issue of motivation and civility. We were trying to preserve life. The Japanese were not.

    Germans were forced to tour death camps after the war. I wish we could force some of the liberals who deny the evil surrounding us and attributing their motives to ours to watch what our enemies do to their victims.

  187. A civil society kills to preserve life. An uncivil society kills and tortures because it wants and needs to.

    The bombing of Japan applies to the issue of motivation and civility. We were trying to preserve life. The Japanese were not.

    There are many double edge swords in this line of thinking.
    I just finished a review of the end of the Pacific War written by Louis Morton. It was excellently sourced and footnoted and provided the contemporary insight of the era leading up to and immediately after the use of the atomic bombs.
    The politics and intensity of moral wrangling within the Truman White House shows that there was high concern for life and treasure for the USA.
    The Japanese civilian leadership (Suzuki and Sato) were in full belief that Japan had been defeated. The only hope to counter the military cliques was focused on maintaining the imperial system. The Japanese did not want to die in as much they were determined to live a certain way.
    There were many American scientists and military personnel they suggested a “warning shot”. It was meant to be a warning to Japan and a hat tip to the rest of the world that the USA didn’t really want to do this thing.
    Further it was very interesting to see so many leaders of the military theater to say the atomic bombs were unnecessary. The naval and air forces felt no boots would be needed to bring about the surrender of Japan by years end (1945) Ironically MacArthur and folks like him who insisted only landings could end the war had to face the reality that this would likely end in surrender in November…of 1946!
    Proponents of the bombs had a valid point in that bombed Japanese could come to accept surrender whereas invaded Japanese would likely become desperate.
    Surrounded and starved Japanese would surrender just as sure as irradiated ones.
    This brings us to another angle that many don’t like. Its one of those “never in a vacuum” things. The Soviets had strung the Allies along for three years and had all ready initiated Red scare shit in Europe. Come August,the earliest the Soviets would start fighting in the Far East the Allies,specifically the Americans felt a quick end and show of extreme force could be two fold. It would beat the Japanese and warn the Soviets. Basically the mushrooms were as much if not more a warning to Stalin than Tojo.

    In the end I stand by my earlier assertion that utter defeat with no options had beaten the Japanese not the bombs. They were gravy that unfortunately ushered in the exact problems many from the start of the Manhattan Project foresaw.

  188. For someone to write that Fox is not a true news organization while it competes with propaganda and public relations organs on the left is living in a world as real as the amine cartoon I posted.

    For someone to believe that Fox is a true news organization while it competes with propaganda and public relations organs on the left is living in a world as unreal as the anime cartoon you posted. Not that they don’t add to their mix a spattering of real news, albeit always with a right lean. Their choice of what they report takes into account first how it fits their conservative ideology. Fox has also been accused of helping splinter the GOP by presenting much of the fringe as mainstream. Some have claimed this helped contribute to losing elections in 2008 and 2012. I can see 2012, but 2008 I don’t think it would have mattered based on the over all opinion of the public. That is only my opinion. There are more liberal propaganda main stream sources than conservative, but with the alternate sources found on the internet, the balance is much more equal.

    Liberal or conservative, msm all run with the same fake stories the globalists provide to move their agenda.

  189. Kayla Mueller is supposedly from Prescott and attended NAU. There doesn’t seem to be much evidence of her existence before her alleged capture last year and death this past February.

    It isn’t the first time make believe has been used to incite the public.

    There is someone offering a $25,000 reward for anyone that can present irrefutable evidence someone died at Sandy Hook Elementary. Americans have such poor investigative skills. It’s really no wonder we are in such a political pickle.

  190. Alfie’s comment seems accurate. Preserving the culture was more important to the Japanese. Did anyone in power want to use these bombs against the Germans? I think not as their culture more in line with the west and many were sympathetic to the Germans in spite of Hitler. I think the decision partially a racial one. I just don’t think we would have built these bombs without the intent of using them.

    They did provide mileage for growing the MIC.

  191. God, Tex – that article about campus was just perfect.

    And timely. A friend’s daughter lives in DC; they spent a large part of last fall fighting the battle to keep little boys-who-feel-like-girls out of the girls’ bathroom at her PRESCHOOL. The parents of these “gender-confused” kids wanted them to be able to choose their restrooms depending upon “how they felt” that day.

    I keep saying: The Taliban is right. When a culture gets as comfortable and life is as easy as it is in the West, they lose all moral anchor. Or as the Christians say, Idle Hands are the Devil’s Workshop.

  192. Last night I watched multiple interviews Fiorina has done recently. I still don’t like her for a president, but damn she is good.

  193. “We build another tribute to capitalism on ours.”

    ‘LIAR!!’

    Good argument.

    Let me guess: you weren’t the top student in your law-school class, were you?

  194. “I still don’t like her for a president, but damn she is good.”

    That’s where I am with her. But I could be brought around for the big office. She is damn good.

  195. “Good argument.”

    Wish I could say the same for you.

    Let me guess: you weren’t the top student in your med-school class, were you?

  196. Poolman, the Sandy Hook statement is beyond disgusting.

    Huck, I look forward to your review. I might not get to see the movie. J. Depp creeps the shit out of my wife.

  197. There is no doubt in my mind that even if the USA had the A-bomb earlier it would not have been used against the Germans.
    The truth about WWII that gets lots in history books of any country is they 1942 pretty much marked the beginning of the undeniable end.

  198. Sorry, thor. Sandy Hook was a fake event. Do your own research if you think otherwise. There are plenty that have sacrificed their own resources and reputations to dig up truth. Wolfgang Halbig probably one of the most serious regarding the SH drill. Or you could remain a comfortably numb state shill. 🙂 Doesn’t make it anymore real.

    There are more disinfo agents within the ‘truth movement’ than there are real ‘truthers’. An awful lot of resources are out there to confuse and derail. I’ve been fooled by many. Most offer truth with a twist. I suppose that effort proves to me that the truth is a real and ongoing threat to power.

  199. I could do this all weekend:

    But I won’t, as to spare everyone the uncomfortable. 😐

    Hello,
    Is there anybody in there?
    Just nod if you can hear me.
    Is there anyone at home?

  200. Poolman…..my brother lives in Arizona. Probabgly going there,soon. Why don’t we meet for a beer. Yeah…that’s the ticket. A beer. You sick fuck.

  201. Here Rutherford, or anybody else for that matter who worked white collar America. This one not only chapped my ass, it sickened me so many have become this hoodwinked.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html?_r=0

    I may be a heck of a lot poorer for it, but articles like this once again remind me of how screwed up corporate America has become and how there are more important things than paychecks.

    If I had ever become a CEO, and I never had the temperament to play cheerleader, fraternity boy, or ass kisser so the chances of that were zero starting at 22, my first rule of thumb for any employee would have been family first and balance.

    That’s no lie. I’ve always been a believer that unless an emergency, 40 hours a week long term is plenty. I even worry about my daughter and son-in-law in residency. Short-term 4-7 years is one thing. But not for a lifetime.

  202. Made one dumb mistake flashing a custom ROM on my phone.

    I rank my tech chops in the 80th percentile compared to the average population and I don’t know WTF a custom ROM is. I guess I’m dating myself but ROM to me is read only memory. When you say “custom” do you mean you were trying to alter the amount of memory allocated on the phone?

    I don’t understand you fucking jailbreakers. Leave the shit alone. If you don’t like the phone as is, buy one you like.

    Do you know I talk to folks who jailbreak the software in their cars? Absolutely amazing. Car warranty down the toilet.

  203. “We build another tribute to capitalism on ours.”
    LIAR!!

    LOL Took me longer than it should have to catch on to your new riff.

    Nice change of pace actually from the constant MSNBC references.

    Death to America.

  204. For someone to write that Fox is not a true news organization while it competes with propaganda and public relations organs on the left is living in a world as real as the amine cartoon I posted.

    James, evening news as exemplified by MSNBC and Fox are nothing but propaganda.

    The dude in charge of MSNBC is putting a stop to it before sundown. I have to think a shakeup after dark may be on the horizon too.

    On a related note, while Ed Schultz was put out to pasture, Michael Eric Dyson is hosting a “news hour” that seems pretty damned close to the Ed Show in tone.

  205. “Tex, are you telling me in a Trump v Hillary standoff, you would not vote? You’d let her win?”

    If it comes to that then it really doesn’t matter—we will all have already lost.

  206. Huck, my brother is in Phoenix

    Rutherford, I just cant help it. I didn’t sleep last night working on this.

    When it works, its cool. But….i can’t really explain why I feel the need to mess with the operating system of a fucking phone. All I know is when it doesn’t work I become obsessed!

  207. That wafflesatnoon site actually opened up a few new sources for investigation, Tigre. Really though, if that is your example of irrefutable evidence, I pity your clients.

    But again I suppose the value of your ‘services’ here are just as you previously indicated – worthless 😆 😆 😆

  208. There is someone offering a $25,000 reward for anyone that can present irrefutable evidence someone died at Sandy Hook Elementary.

    What exactly do they want, a box with a six year olds bullet ridden head in it?

    Pools, you regularly disturb the gang here but the only time you really disgust me is when you do this fantasy shit about Sandy Hook. I’ve never lost a child but I can imagine it is the most devastating of all losses. Truly suicide-depression level devastating. Sandy Hook put ME in one of the deepest depressions I’ve ever experienced and they weren’t my kids. I’d break into tears just thinking about them.

    For you to make it a conspiracy parlor game is truly reprehensible.

  209. For you to make it a conspiracy parlor game is truly reprehensible.

    It’s no game. I am serious. For you to call it a game is somewhat insulting. The game would be playing along like I thought it was real. I wouldn’t say a thing if I did not believe otherwise. And you should know I don’t trust our leaders or our media to give us the truth. That you believe whole-heartily without any personal investigation is the sad part.

    Rutherford, I am all about ripping people apart if they actually do hurt children. I have over-stepped my boundaries in that regard in the past, and I am not at all a violent person. Far from it. I know the emotions that event had and continue to have on all Americans. THAT WAS THE INTENT. I now understand satanists pretty much run this country and actually the world. My Bible told me to expect that, though I was in denial. I know you don’t think that way, so it is more difficult for you to believe the government lies to us and would stage anything to forward their agenda. The thing is, that isn’t the real world. The leaders are CONTINUALLY doing things to play on our emotions. Most in power are pedophiles. Do a little investigating on your own. If the child abuse/satanic part is the most difficult for you to swallow, google Jimmy Saville and see about the entire dust up going on in the UK. That’s the sick part. They abuse and sacrifice children. By day these folks act like moral arbitrators and by night evil incarnate. None of this is a game to me.

    As for SH, there is an investigation going on that will blow the lid off the entire thing, just not soon enough for many of us.

  210. What exactly do they want, a box with a six year olds bullet ridden head in it?

    No. 🙄 Your imagination is getting the better of you. NORMAL things like a birth certificate, a death certificate, an actual school report card or some actual family photos. Standard things, easily obtainable that would prove these were real kids that really died. As it is, we only have the government’s word and the msm news reports to go by.

  211. “Really though, if that is your example of irrefutable evidence, I pity your clients.”

    No. They identify the individuals by name. Perhaps they’re wrong, perhaps right.

    Either way, the ball’s in your court. Bring me irrefutable evidence these individuals don’t exist and/or weren’t depicted you damned weirdo.

  212. p.s. don’t give me the Rutherford standard of proof of “well, that just doesn’t convince me so I am right” bullshit. Make your case. The threshold is low too. How about something that makes the farce more probable than not. NORMAL burdens would be much higher.

  213. I was going to leave this alone but now I can’t. Pools you’re full of it. There has been certificates released,Pozners for example,and sick retards like you denounce them and in some circles point out that Pozner was (is) a Jew. If you ever leave AZ and find yourself anywhere in New England I WILL DEFINIRELY BUY YOU A DRINK 👿

  214. Rutherford, we dont have cable so we dont watch MSNBC or Fox except on Sunday morning or listen on the radio.

    If MSNBC was such a good news source, they would have repeated the Planned Parenthood, Benghazi or other news items hurtful to liberals. A survey on Newsbusters, I think showed that except for Fox those and other stories were only briefly reported.

    Fox is a biased network, but they try harder to report the news than the other networks do. Ignoring stories is the same as miss- reporting them.

    The other networks are propaganda organs of the Democratic party.

  215. Either way, the ball’s in your court. Bring me irrefutable evidence these individuals don’t exist and/or weren’t depicted you damned weirdo.

    Right. 🙄 Prove a crime didn’t exist when the government and Tigre says it did, without offering evidence. Prove a effin negative. What a dolt! These people were paid hundreds of thousands and their community received millions almost immediately after their performances.

    Are you really a lawyer? Prove it.

  216. I have also read Louis Morton’s book. I remember reading that Suzuki, Sato and other civilian leaders believed Japan had been defeated. However, the leadership knew that if they surrendered they were dead. Self preservation is a powerful motivator. The Japanese people were convinced the allies were tortorous demons who would destroy them in unnatural ways. Their almost mass suicides in the outer islands illustrates their determination to be free of us was stronger than their will to live.

    Japanese soldiers held a special disdain for allies who surrendered without dying. Their regarding their prisoners as weaklings further motivated them to indulge in torture and abuse.

    For those reasons, I agree the A Bomb was preferable to a ground invasion. White devil occupiers would have been harder to accept.

    As I wrote before, I wrote in my practice cabinent position paper that we should drop the first bomb in the ocean near the coast to reduce the number of deaths but also to demonstrate the previously unknown power at our disposal.

    Germans are the largest ethic group in the US. They naturally felt sympathy for the home land in WW1 and WW11, but in spite of close cultural ties, I think we and they would have used the bomb. I think the North or South would have used the bomb during the Civil War too.

    I also believe that our side has inflicted terrible
    atrocities but on the whole our meanness has been used in self defense and to ultimately save lives.

  217. Noah also showed up as a kid killed in the school in Peshwar.

    Did you read your link? It explains the most likely reason for Noah’s pic showing up in Pakistan and it wasn’t that he “died twice”.

  218. I’ve been trying to give heads up when I watch something on Netflix worth watching. Got another, though this might not be everybody’s cup of tea. I think some of my in-laws were in this one. 😈

    Y’all will understand after you watch it.

    Nebraska. Bruce Dern is so good in this one, you forget you’re watching an actor. The “mother” is a foul mouthed hoot too.

  219. Watched it. Liked it. Hardly remember a thing about it. This is the movie-Alzheimer’s I’ve referred to in the past. I can’t remember 80% of the movies I’ve seen. I have to ask my wife “did we see X?”

  220. Did you read your link?

    Yes, of course. :facepalm: What’s your point? I chose the snopes link seeing as you and Alfie probably consider snopes a valid source of truth. Would you have checked it on infowars? There are many links that give various reason why the picture showed up there. I read snopes’ explanation of PROBABLY why it showed up there. They were not conclusive. I never claimed he died twice. How crazy is that? I have also read account that the picture was a stock photo. I don’t pretend to know where the picture came from originally or if the child is still a child or a composite or if he is alive or dead. The media provided the picture. I claimed he did NOT die at Sandy Hook school. That is what I have said all along. Talk to me after you check the link I provided proving the event a probable farce.

  221. Pools all I can say is if you REALLY TRULY believe our government would manipulate us by faking the death of 20 kids, how can you possibly live here in good conscience? Why don’t you move to Canada or Lichtenstein or anywhere but here?

    Cos I’ve got news for you. If you live in the Evil Satanist Empire and you enjoy its public schools and public roads and public libraries then YOU are a part of the evil. You’re not one of the good guys if you seek shelter from the evil empire.

  222. Bingo.

    This is what makes the wretch a horrible person.

    Either he spreads the most hurtful lies imaginable inorder to facilitate a perverted fantasy or he is such a Vichi coward he deserves to have his head stomped and man card revoked. One or the other.

    Of course he comes back that he is the canary in the coal mine maaaaan…spreading the word to….uh…us. And his dipshit church of a dozen or two morons.

  223. What’s the point of running? I’m facing this bitch head on. I haven’t been told it’s time to leave, so I’m digging in. You have your choice. If you want to believe administration feary tales after they’ve proved themselves a merry-go-round of liars and sleaze, then so be it. I ain’t got the blinders on any more. Enjoy your numbness. 😐

  224. I’m facing this bitch head on.

    Pools, you’re “facing the bitch” to about the same degree that I’m fighting against urban violence in Chicago.

    I’ll be more impressed when you quit digging pools, buy an RV and hit the road searching for the “truth”.

    Why don’t you start in Newtown, CT? (I used to live about 20 miles from there). Why don’t you seek out the fake families of the fake victims and do some interviews? Assuming you don’t need serious dental work afterwards, you can report here what you found.

    When it comes to helpless kids, now dead, you’re a consumer and purveyor of vile garbage, not a truth seeker.

    Hey, no veiled “have a drink” threats from me. When you get the RV, stop by Naperville simply so I can see you put your money where your mouth is.

  225. Pools, you’re “facing the bitch” to about the same degree that I’m fighting against urban violence in Chicago.

    lol. The bitch I refer is named the great prostitute. One could read about her in Revelations, which puts a Christian bias to it. It certainly applies to us [loosely applied]. There is spiritual war going on. Many cultures realize it. You can see the result in the physical realm, like the violence in your urban areas. I believe there is a battle between good and evil that has yet to rest. What makes us do what we do? Who do you serve? I know whom I serve.

    I’ll be more impressed when you quit digging pools, buy an RV and hit the road searching for the “truth”.

    You sound like mrs poolman 🙂 Truth is, I’m not out to impress. And I am not the one to snoop around. There are plenty that can snoop, if that is what is called for. I think the first place to seek truth is within. You probably think it a cliche, and certainly it has been said many times, but then it is true. Truth begins in one’s inner being and a connection to one’s spirit. Every human for sure has one, I think, unless a clone, which would technically be human. I believe the body a temple to the spirit. The soul in the blood. I learn more truth reading and praying. I have read more in the past 8 years than I have the 50 before. This old brain cannot seem to get enough information. 🙂

    Why don’t you start in Newtown, CT? (I used to live about 20 miles from there).

    20 miles is close. I think if I were that familiar, it would have been tempting. There are people that have gone there and done just what you suggest. The whole thing’s been pretty scrubbed by now. Those involved moved on. You should have better insight going through the data regarding the local protocols.

  226. I keep saying: The Taliban is right. When a culture gets as comfortable and life is as easy as it is in the West, they lose all moral anchor. – Dildo Dundee

    If you have to throw acid on women, blow up Buddhist shrines and massacre school children to retain your moral anchor then cut that chain and let me drift, you fucking ass fuck.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875729/Up-20-dead-500-children-teachers-taken-hostage-Taliban-gunmen-storm-military-run-school-Pakistan.html

  227. Look at them you sick fuck. Every single one. Dwell on their faces. How do you discount the soul behind every one of those pairs of eyes? Why are your pictures real and these ones fake?

    They are very real pictures of what appear to be very real kids. That was never in doubt. Come up with proof these kids lived in that neighborhood in that period of time. Prove they were attending a building that was shut down due to asbestos and used only for storage for several years. These supposed murders didn’t make the state statistics. Why not? Where are their death certificates? Why were laws changed to prevent public access to records? Why were facebook and fundme sites set up before the event? Why would a grieving parent open a bank account on the day their child was gunned down? Inquiring minds want to know.

  228. Thor my friend, Pools and Dundee have proved the world has gone mad. Our Aussie friend thinks eugenics the answer to the worlds ills and Pools thinks real tragedy is a farce orchestrated by Satan.

    No wonder Tex rants like a wild man half the time. He’s seeing the world disintegrate right before his eyes.

  229. She never recovered from Edward Scissorhands, did she? – R

    Thank you R, I needed a laugh. Right now the two P’s are making J Depp look like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

    It was his Wonka that really got to her. She hated it.

    Oompa Loompa Joik.

  230. Parker: ‘I keep saying: The Taliban is right. When a culture gets as comfortable and life is as easy as it is in the West, they lose all moral anchor.’

    Thor: “If you have to throw acid on women, blow up Buddhist shrines and massacre school children to retain your moral anchor then cut that chain and let me drift,”

    I couldn’t agree more. You have to let go of that hardshell right-wing-everything-is-black-and-white thought process, mate. Because Taliban are right in one place doesn’t mean they are right in ANY others.

    There was another part of Parker’s post: “Or as the Christians say, Idle Hands are the Devil’s Workshop.” That’s YOUR god, isn’t it? Or have you thrown him/her over?

  231. P: ‘The Taliban is right.’

    R: “And with that, Parker jumps the shark.”

    How so? Did you read the rest of the post? Nothing prevents even the most evil from occasionally making a true statement. In point of fact, it’s the very nature of religious lunacy to sometimes provide a glimpse of clarity forever denied to infidels. Even you and I, as atheists, must concede that.

  232. Either he spreads the most hurtful lies imaginable inorder to facilitate a perverted fantasy or he is such a Vichi coward he deserves to have his head stomped and man card revoked. One or the other.

    😆 😆 I shouldn’t laugh at the the despicable nature of the debate. But nobody says it better than the Rabbit.

  233. It was his Wonka that really got to her. She hated it.

    Ironic. I just saw the the New Willy Wonka for the first time 36 hours ago. Thor, your wife is right – truly awful.

    I probably read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory ten times as a kid. Charlotte’s Web ten more. My two favorite books from my elementary years. And the modern Hollywood ruined them both. How can you ruin such great stories?

    Gene Wilder was terrific and the kids were cute too in the 71 version. The recent one was an Obama sized abomination.

  234. You have to let go of that hardshell right-wing-everything-is-black-and-white thought process, mate. Because Taliban are right in one place doesn’t mean they are right in ANY others. – Dumbpfark

    God you’re a moron. You chose their take on morality to say they are right. I say I won’t take lessons on morality from a group that sanctions violence against school children. If they say water is wet, I won’t disagree just because they are the Taliban. But that is not the subject you chose. You picked morality, trying to be provocative, or maybe you’ve had a little too much from the bottle, either way, you only succeeded in revealing another dark shade of your own heart.

    And what’s with the third -person? Another morph? Are we about to meet Caitlin Pfarker from Tasmania?

  235. James, thanks for the Eivor. You posted it before but well worth the repeat.

    Alfie, I was going to go down that road and then thought better of it. Pools will just say it’s all photo shopped and edited info because its’ on the web. Of course, all his “insider” info is also from the web, a point he fails to reconcile. When he has the balls to go to Newtown and face these people in person, then I will think he actually believes what he is posting. The reason I even called him out to begin with is that I believe there are a lot of people who come by here and read and never post. I just couldn’t let it slide, for their sake.

  236. @R – I don’t imagine that you’ll watch this film but I’m asking you to read this link (no Whittle, I promise and it’s a different/better link than the one I posted earlier). I want to share the subject matter with you to make a point.

    The Wind Rises is Japan’s Hayao Miyazaki final film. In Japan Miyasaki is known as the Disney of the East, but he’s much more revered. Miyasaki is a master at artistic expression. News should avoid such expression. Art is creation. News is presentation, not representation. I’m posting this because I thought it was apropos to the back and forth between you and I in this thread. Food for thought is where satire sits in the news -or- art realms.

    “The Wind Rises” is a sympathetic biography of a man whose work contributed to Japan’s brutal campaign of imperialist aggression during World War II. The protagonist Jiro Horikoshi designed the Mitsubishi A6M Zero fighter plane that Japan used in Pearl Harbor and countless other assaults.

    http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-wind-rises-hayao-miyazaki-jiro-horikoshi/Content?oid=12535079

    PS…I can’t resist posting a clip of the 1923 Japan earthquake scene, but I’ll do it later to avoid the moderation. It’s only a little over a minute long but it’s trippy.

  237. The reason I even called him out to begin with is that I believe there are a lot of people who come by here and read and never post. I just couldn’t let it slide, for their sake.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about that. Anyone who lurks here and reads Poolman’s more outrageous stuff thinks “Damn! Rutherford lets any old fool comment here.”

  238. I hate to say this but unlike Sarah Palin, the more Trump talks, the better he gets. He’s starting to get a bit more specific and a TINY bit less Quixotic in his pronouncements.

    Example on FP. On MTP he said he would NOT tear up the Iran deal on day 1. Unlike his opponents with their red meat bullshit promises, Trump is a businessman. He says basically, the deal has to be honored but it can be overseen with an iron hand. That to me is a much more realistic take than what his opponents are saying.

    Look, I boycotted his show over the birther shit and I LOVED The Apprentice. It was one of my favs but I stopped watching because I could no longer deal with his birther crap.

    But I cannot deny this guy’s appeal. He is revealing BOTH the political class AND the media for the farce they are.

  239. Here’s something to ponder (from the Wind Rises) –

    “Do you prefer a world with pyramids, or with no pyramids?”

  240. @R – No, in my opinion. But it was a full critique of the problems many people had with the film. I think you would have all of the same problems with it.

    Im interested in the good man whose life’s work it is to shoe the horse that pulls the cart that carries the accused to the hanging tree. And how many deaths it takes for him to know that too many people have died. And is one the same as hundreds of thousands? It is to that one.

    And where he goes from there.

  241. Muffy in all seriousness you’ve raised some truly deep philosophical questions.

    If we try and stay divorced from the whole moral quagmire of slave labor, then the next step is to consider the utility of the pyramids. If memory serves, they were tombs. Because they are so old and more or less intact, we view them as a “wonder”.

    Is the world better for the pyramids? It’s probably a wash.

  242. When it comes to building planes that will be used to kill, every innovation has a potential dark side. The pioneers of the Internet I’m sure did not intend for it to proliferate illegal pornography or facilitate terrorist recruitment.

    Maybe I missed this in your link Muffy but did the engineer design these planes for lethal use or was it an unintended consequence?

  243. This is from an article posted by either Tex or Tigre, I don’t remember who:

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    blockquote> One day, it’s going to happen that a young woman, whether because she’s delusional, an emotional exhibitionist, or simply vindictive, will file a complaint with her university’s sexual harassment squad claiming that, even though she consented for months to have sex with her boyfriend, she’s concluded in retrospect that her erstwhile boyfriend raped her. Being familiar with the Stalin-esque administraition her campus, she rightly assumes that, once she’s filed her complaint, her boyfriend will be summoned before a kangaroo court and run out of campus on a rail, with his entire future destroyed. Ah, sweet revenge! I already saw this on a public forum where a woman asked for advice on consensual sex that she retroactively decided was rape after the bf said he didn’t want to get married. Scary.

  244. “consider the utility of the pyramids. If memory serves, they were tombs.”

    Their practical utility was a tomb. Their religious utility was an elevator to the sun for the pharaoh to take his rightful place as the god he was.

    We view them as a wonder not because of their age. We view them as a wonder because we have no idea how they did it.

    It’s worth mentioning that the “7 Wonders of the World” were listed as wonders over 2,000 years ago. Think about that. By that time, the pyramids had already been around for a longer period of time than the period of Christ walking the earth to today.

    And I dare say, if you ever saw the pyramids, you would stand before them in awe and never again put quotes around the word wonder to describe them. There is not a picture ever taken that can do them justice.

  245. “did the engineer design these planes for lethal use or was it an unintended consequence?”

    A fighter plane is meant to do exactly what the name implies–kill people. It is not an unintended consequence, it is its purpose.

  246. I think you took wonder as more sarcastic than it was intended to be. I’ve been to the Parthenon so I understand how breathtaking these structures can be. Of course the pyramids are in considerably better shape than the Parthenon.

  247. I read that and saw that too, Huck. About the planetary/sun aspect of the pyramids.

    I didn’t realize there actually are small shafts running through the vertical of the pyramids toward certain constellations, if memory serves. They had used robotics to transverse the small spaces. I can’t remember if it was National Geography, NOVA or something on the History Channel some years back.

    But it was incredibly interesting.

    That makes them even more fabulous. Hard to believe those predate Moses by a millennium.

  248. I would not be the slightest surprised if at least one of the Pyramids are destroyed by the stimk beards in my life time.

  249. I would not be the slightest surprised if at least one of the Pyramids are destroyed by the stimk beards in my life time.

    😈 Their ancestors are probably the assholes that cut off the sphinx’s nose.

  250. “I would not be the slightest surprised if at least one of the Pyramids are destroyed by the stimk beards in my life time.”

    I guess I wouldn’t either.

    But I’d be more worried about some of the temples like Luxor or Karnak.

    And I am in no way comparing the 2, but on an interesting (to me anyway) note, when you visit most of those types of temples you can see a lot of the faces chiseled away. Our guide explained that way back when Christianity was relatively new, Christians used many temples as shelter, and they chiseled away the faces of those gods. Why it it is usually just the faces is because, often, the sand was so high and the bodies weren’t exposed. In some temples you can see where the Christians added on or altered construction, and they are all high up because of the past sand level.

    I am so glad I went to Egypt when I did (2006). And even then, our tour group had an armed escort at all times.

  251. “We view them as a wonder because we have no idea how they did it.” -Huck

    Exactly!

    @R – It’s not a matter of whether the world is better for the pyramids but “would you prefer a world with pyramids, or with no pyramids?” And you can’t “stay divorced” from the slave labor aspect. (Quotation marks not for effect but precision.)

    It’s a good question.

  252. re: The Sphinx’s nose. I think I read that it was shot off by a German trooper in WWII. Can’t confirm that.

    R – You HAVE to see today’s John Oliver show. If you don’t have HBO, find someone who does. It’s on Church fundraising in US by televangelist preachers. Must see. Try not to pee your pants.

    Pools – isn’t the working theory that the pyramids’ layout on the desert floor mimics the positions of Orion’s stars?

  253. Sadly both my parents are dead so I can’t ask them why we never visited Egypt. England, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Denmark, West Germany, Turkey, Yugoslavia (I think) and Greece but no Egypt. Kinda odd. I think I once heard my mother say she regretted not going there.

    I’ve never been to Ireland but my parents went there too.

  254. I did a 12-day tour from Alexandria to Aswan, including 3 days on a Nile River boat. It was the most amazing 2 weeks of my life. Each region has a personality of its own. I think Alexandria was my favorite. It breaks my heart to see what has become of it.

    I hope I never get to a point in life where I can no longer remember my Egyptian adventure.

  255. Parker, the scam featured on Last Week Tonight goes all the way back to Reverend Ike at the very least.

    Obviously the Tilton guy belongs behind bars. And while it’s a huge legal stretch, I wouldn’t mind charging him with wrongful death in the case of that woman who bought his shit that a donation to him and a prayer would save her from cancer.

    I called the number John Oliver posted and it’s a hoot. Some boob is going to send him money. I hope Oliver gives it to charity.

  256. Me too, Muffy. I would have liked to have seen the pyramids. I’m fascinated by antiquity. I tried to get my wife to go with me on a tour of Israel and Egypt some years back, but there was no way she was leaving the babies. I couldn’t even get her to go to New York and stay at Times Square for free on the corporate dole, much less go overseas.

    No way in hell I would think about taking my little wife now to the Middle East.

  257. The Tragic and Complete Collapse of Racial Relations

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/racial-relations-tragic-collapse/

    Devastating article about real truth in race relations – and how black race hustlers are to blame along with the Wonka fudge packer Obama.

    Speaking of Obama, I saw that he was golfing with the Presidential serial rapist. Anybody notice how bad Slick is looking? Casper with meemaw arms – think free livin’ caught up with the skirt chaser.

  258. Two of my aunts visited Egypt and they also enjoyed the trip. My wife and I, on the spur of the moment decided to travel. We got to Fargo on a tank of gas. There is no time to reach Winnipeg, so we are visiting sites we missed on most of our trips.

    We saw a restored Bonanaza farm, and the woman in charge said another near by farm may have connections to a large combination farm -ranch which was built near our home.

    Our daughter and son took their daughter to the Mall of America. They took eleven rides on a carnival catering to toddlers. Our grand daughter also met three Bubble Guppies, and she behaved like a One Direction fan girl. Our daughter had to restrain her to keep her from breaking out of line.

    She had wanted to tell her grand parents about it, so we got to hear her tell about it on the phone.

    Al Sharpton asked ministers of black churches to tell their parishoners to call their representatives to vote for the Iran deal. A bigoted extremist is telling ministers to violate separation of church and state restrictions. It wouldn’t be the first time.

    We met an immigrant from Kenya and his four children. He exuded class, and his children were polite and well-behaved. I wish more of our blacks were like true Africans.

  259. No way in hell I would think about taking my little wife now to the Middle East.

    Putting aside the logistical issues that my medical situation demands, I’m really not comfortable even going to Europe right now. World is just too crazy. Which is a shame since my wife has never been overseas and of course neither has my daughter. 😟

  260. think free livin’ caught up with the skirt chaser.

    I think it always does. A life of immorality shows. Like the picture of Dorian Gray except it shows on you, not the picture.

  261. Just approved your funny Tex. don’t know what WordPress is doing lately.

    P.S. I absolutely love the phrase “magnificent bastard”. First heard it from Apu on The Simpsons.

  262. “I absolutely love the phrase “magnificent bastard”. First heard it from Apu on The Simpsons.”

    That’s Patton.

    I seem to recall it Dr. Strangelove too.

  263. I watched Dr. Strangelove for the first time on NetFlix some months back. It was so bad, I couldn’t make it through it. 😛 But like Tigre, I first heard the term “magnificent bastard” in one of my favorite movies of all time:

    Patton describing Rommel.

  264. Putting aside the logistical issues that my medical situation demands, I’m really not comfortable even going to Europe right now. World is just too crazy.

    I’m kind of the same way you are, R. I’m such a worry wart about my wife and kids, I fretted this morning about my wife and youngest making it to the airport and flying from Pittsburgh to Houston, about every 30 minutes hitting “update” to find where the plane was in the air. 🙂 Then I make the wife call me when she is safely in the house. A real mother hen.

    I’d go by myself, though. I figure what the hell? If they cut my head off, the world (and my family) are going to go right on clicking without me. They’d have to pay somebody to cut the grass, though. LOL

  265. “But Jesus, I do all I can and it just isn’t enough and not enough others follow your word. If not enough people are willing to help the poor, what are they to do?”

  266. Rutherford as far as travel to Europe is concerned…
    Other than it possibly being prohibitively expensive and that you should never ever go in the summer a European vacation is a safe venture.
    My last trip to England found me staying in London and in fact I never got around to leaving Zone 2 other than my journey to and from Heathrow. I was amazed by how solidly the central district had become a tourist,commerce and money place. The flip side of this is that the policing is intense. I imagine this would hold true throughout the centers of the other countries. Central Paris would be fine,the outskirts have never been a good tourist destination. Calais is experiencing issues now so Chunnel crossing is sketchy.
    European centers are all dramatically solidifying their nature.
    On other travel plans I have no interest in the Middle East but even if I did could never bring any of the women in my life. When in Rome is ok;however,I could never do the When in Riyadh kind of thing.

  267. Sadly, since the Obama presidency, the world is a lot more dangerous to visit.

    Cardboard Corinthian pillars be damned….

  268. My sister-in-law had the opportunity to go to Kenya on a nursing service trip a few years ago. Everyone was dead set against it. She didn’t go.

  269. Would you let your teenage son go to Ireland today with his friend and his friend’s family?

    That all depends on how you feel about the family.

    My daughter went to gymnastics camp in Kentucky for a week and she went down there with one of the gym parents. I was a nervous wreck but it worked out ok.

    I’m a low-level neurotic. The odds of anything really bad happening is statistically low but when it happens to you, the odds have just shot up to 100%.

    I’m getting worse as I get older not better. Several months ago we were in the far left lane of a highway in a traffic jam and I had a panic attack – felt trapped. Totally fucking irrational. Fortunately I wasn’t driving and I didn’t freak. Undid my seatbelt and did some deep breathing till the attack passed.

    That had never happened to me before.

  270. Kenya would be a no especially if my trip was to be all native like. That’s when travel gets rough. When you go someplace and stand out. Thailand and Jamaica are good examples. Go there and get off the reservation as it were and you’re as likely to have the time of your life as you are to lose it.

  271. My baby daughter and her cousin went to London and Paris for three weeks after graduating from college two years ago – all by their lonesome. I stewed the entire time. And of course, unlike older sister, my youngest never calls dad. Ever. Everything is filtered through “mom.” Unless something is askew.

    Oh, but I did call a call to come pick baby girl up on early arrival. 😐 Every time I do get a call from my youngest daughter, my heart races. Either (1) I know something has happened to the car; (2) Something has happened to mom and daughter can’t find her immediately.

    I swear, that kid has taken about 20 years off my life – and I don’t have much to loan anymore. Oh, and just wait until Princess Di gets married. I don’t have enough money in the family jewels to scratch the surface of what she thinks she deserves. 😡

    If my wife caves again, I swear I’ll terminate myself.

  272. Question for the room: Trump wants to deport the 11 million illegal aliens and their kids, even if born here.

    Good idea, bad idea, even possible?

    I believe he also wants to amend the Constitution to redefine citizenship.

  273. I didn’t watch the entire video but here’s the thing.

    You may recall many comments back I asked for recommendations for a black conservative podcast to add to my rotation. I’ve gone at this for several days but may have finally found the mother lode.

    Sadly it’s not a podcast but a live radio show I have to catch on repeat complete with irritating commercials. But I think this is the dude. You guys would love him. Julian Bond isn’t cold yet and Larry Elder is all over him.

    In the vid that follows Elder (an obvious Reagan fan) discusses the Donald.

  274. Deporting the 11 million or so illegals and their families is a bad idea, and it is impossible.

    Today, we spent time in Moorhead, Minn. We took some tours, and some of the other customers spoke Norwegian words with English. It almost seemed like Oslo with English speakers. Moorehead has more Norwegians than any other American city.

    The tour guide gave us a test. “How do you pronounce hjemkomst?’

  275. I’m confused. How can someone who has so compromised sensitive information be elected POTUS?

    I’m sorry folks this isn’t background shit like you were friends with Bill Ayers. This is how you conducted yourself in a high security government job.

    I heard a former CIA guy tell CNN that what Hillary has already done disqualifies her from the presidency.

    If she even gets nominated you folks have every right to mock and detest my liberal brethren.

    Ten minutes with Larry Elder and I’m already embarrassed.

  276. “If she even gets nominated you folks have every right to mock and detest my liberal brethren.”

    She still leads. No need to wait.

  277. It saddens me that there are people who believe this could happen—because it suggests they think the president can amend the constitution or that a group of people who can barely get a 60% majority can somehow get a 66% majority.

  278. “How can someone who has so compromised sensitive information be elected POTUS?”

    “If she is the nominee I will still vote for her, but….”

    All she needs is a (D) behind her name. Of course, socializing with your pal Obama while she is being “investigated” doesn’t hurt. Her success is a part of his legacy. It’s already a done deal, man.

    We already know how this is going to end.

  279. Trump wants to deport the 11 million illegal aliens and their kids, even if born here.

    Trump wants attention and he’s getting plenty.

    Obama promised the most transparent administration ever. What makes you think Trump can deliver on anything he promises? What makes you think he even cares?

    They just gave free flat screen teevees to the poor people in Mexico, maybe all those here looking for free stuff will go back. 🙂

    Those performing services should be allowed to stay with the ability to become debt slaves citizens.

    They won’t fix immigration because it makes too many people money and gives politicians something to debate about. Their intent is to keep it the way it is. It’s the same with everything. Divide and conquer. Welcome to hell. 👿 We don’t ever solve problems. We only identify or create new ones to manage. We throw huge amounts of resources at them and at the end of the day claim we’re making life better. We have created more things to manage on one hand while on the other we document the extinctions of vast species.

    Life’s been dying off at a monumental rate due to our management style. 😈

  280. “Long time before Iowa.”

    Yeah, I am interested to see how the next set of polls look now that Bernie is openly apologizing to people who hijack his rallies, and effectively, his campaign.

    Sorry, but the leader of the free world has to have the ability to tell people–other than the rich–to fuck off when that is what they need to be told.

    Bernie Sanders is making it clear he lacks that ability.

  281. “Long time before Iowa.”

    I don’t need to wait until Iowa to mock and detest. She leads and that’s fucked.

    And you still defend Obama and that’s fucked.

  282. Obama is going to protect her because you know damn well there is shit about him in some of those emails.

    The only reason anyone even started digging around her emails is because of Benghazi—the big Obama nothingburger that made her look presidential.

  283. These people are all criminals. They protect their own. Every once in a while they’ll throw one of the weakers to the wolves. Vicious.

  284. Lots of ancient structures line up with constellations. Orion is common. The pyramids are also thought to be a power plant or battery and to somehow harness cosmic energy. The Sphinx is way older than the pyramids and there is still a lot of speculation as to who made it and how.

  285. @ Huck specifically. Whether Trump is truly a Trojan Horse designed to damage the GOP or not the truth of the matter is immigration was firming up to be a campaign issue. The recent well publicized bursts of illegals involved in murders was part of the formula. This is all about putting a toe in the water.

  286. Last one for the night @ Rutherford
    “Good idea, bad idea, even possible?”
    It is part of a very good idea and has global peers as it were. It also ties into a subject you allegedly find important i.e. slavery legacy and blacks.
    England and France are burning through millions of Euros and Pounds literally defending a “migrant” onslaught out of Calais. Hungary is building a rather flimsy more symbolism than functionality border fence. Its aim is to keep folks from south eastern Europe and its approaches from entering “better Europe”. Italy is going out of its mind in the Med over “migrants”. Syria and Afghanistan is literally seeing floods of people roaming the south east portion of Europe and the Med trying to get into Europe and use a special EU loophole regards asylum. Australia is gearing up its anti immigration “asylum” seeker operations.
    The common thread is that globally regional economies are coming to a point where “migration” is a negative and illegal immigration is going to be dealt with.
    In the USA it is a complicated issue with many angles but they all need to hit the table. I for one do not believe the Constitution protects people born here of illegal persons. We allow it,and we shouldn’t.

  287. Bernie Sanders is making it clear he lacks that ability.

    Actually that’s not true. I think it was on MTP – Bernie told the host that one of his staffers issued the apology without permission. Bernie said he wasn’t apologizing.

  288. Damn straight there’s Obama emails that he needs to suppress.

    Be that as it may, Obama’s FBI has opened this Pandora’s box and they can’t easily whitewash it now.

    But you and Huck have brought up an idea that’s even a better outcome. Obama comes out smelling sweet while HRC goes down for the count.

  289. Kicking people out of here in the shadow of a broken immigration system is unethical.

    Felons? Good bye.

    Are you here illegally. Line up and become a citizen. And watch Hadrian become jealous. Becuase I have no doubt we can secure a border in 2015 if the Romans stopped those savage blue painted Picts and Celts a century after Jesus.

  290. I’m a bit surprised in this age of outrageous pronouncements that no politician has yet made an explicit reference to the Berlin Wall. That sure as hell kept folks from going East to West.

  291. “truth of the matter is immigration was firming up to be a campaign issue”

    But that doesn’t mean it is an issue that can or will be resolved by the Executive, which is what I was getting at. This is just another presidential candidate making promises he isn’t in a position to fulfill.

    The fact that you wrote about that 8 years ago makes my point more than it makes yours. This is 3rd rail bullshit.

    “I thought a joke was coming …”

    The joke’s already here—we’re the punchline.

    “But you and Huck have brought up an idea that’s even a better outcome. Obama comes out smelling sweet while HRC goes down for the count.”

    What about Hillary Clinton gives you the idea that she will go down by herself? Aint gonna happen. If she goes down the drain, Barry swirls with her. Which is why she won’t go down.

  292. You guys would love him. Julian Bond isn’t cold yet and Larry Elder is all over him.

    Being Bond was clearly a race hustler, whitey hater and imbecile, sounds like my kind of man. 😉

  293. Am I the only Republican that thinks the South Berlin Wall is rotten idea and totally unnecessary? What is it? 2,000 miles of border? We can put a man on the moon, launch the Hubble telescope, fly around Pluto, transplant human hearts and we can’t stop a bunch of slow footed Mexicanos on foot trying to make it across the desert with the pregnant wife and children in tow? Is that some kind of parody?

    I can solve nobody crossing the border tomorrow. It’s a little inhumane for a time, but so’s a dog fence with current. After 24 hours, it will be the last thing on any Central American’s mind to be thinking about making a run for the American tall weeds.

    Give me 5,000 border guards armed with M-60s, night vision, and some grenades, a dozen Black Hawk helicopters, and I figure about half a dozen of these manning the skies:

    There won’t be so much as beetle burrowing under the sand trying to cross in 48 hours, I can almost guarantee it.

    Anybody caught smuggling? We give the passengers a free ride back to Tijuana, maybe a couple of smokes, an Obama 2008 for President T-shirt, and a canteen with a popsicle for the kids, then execute the driver and look out on the spot.

    Anybody we catch landing in a plane illegally, we pull them off on the tarmac and shoot them in the back of the head, then drop the bodies into El Loco’s tomato garden or the Living Room from about 2,000 feet. Bombs away!

    Since when did we need to build the Great Wall of Texas across our Southern Border to keep anybody out?

  294. P.S. You will have to enlarge that video by the way to get the full effect. Thank you Dear Leader Obama!

    I haven’t laughed that hard since the Substitute teacher video…

  295. Note to Parker, donations to John Oliver’s “church” end up going to Doctors Without Borders.

    I watched the segment again, this time with my daughter so she can discern true Christians from fucking criminals who belong in jail but are protected by our constitution.

  296. “I watched the segment again, this time with my daughter so she can discern true Christians from fucking criminals who belong in jail but are protected by our constitution.”

    You should show her the Clintons and Obama for the same reason.

  297. “But you and Huck have brought up an idea that’s even a better outcome. Obama comes out smelling sweet while HRC goes down for the count.”

    Huh? Or they both come out of it together.

  298. R – “Trump wants to deport the 11 million illegal aliens and their kids, even if born here. Good idea, bad idea, even possible? I believe he also wants to amend the Constitution to redefine citizenship.”

    First of all, any children born in US are American Citizens; so, no, neither President Trump nor anybody else can deport them. Secondly, the US Constitution was amended in 1868 (Fourteenth Amendment) to ALLOW “birthright citizenship,” so it can be un-amended, in the same way the prohibition amendment was repealed.

    I think the time has come to do that. The Swiss require that at least one parent be a Swiss citizen; I think that might be enough. Or, you could do an amendment that says BOTH parents must be citizens. That, of course, wouldn’t prevent citizenship by naturalization.

    This paralysis over amending the Constitution has to end. It’s time, and well beyond time. Any surgeon will tell you that in an emergency, the first procedure is to stop the bleeding. If this ain’t an emergency, I don’t know what is. And given the birthrates of muslims, it will take only a couple of generations before US is flooded like Europe is now. If you guys want to stay the “beacon on the hill” for the rest of the world, you need to get over this political correctness lunacy before it destroys you.

  299. You should show her the Clintons and Obama for the same reason.

    😆 😆

    I have a smidgen of hope for Rutherford yet, though the flicker is very ‘Dim.’ I’m actually getting a hoot out of Bernie the Greece calling Obama a miserable failure as President without calling Obama by name Lies about unemployment, lies about war, lies about how bleak the rube’s future. Etc…

    Bernie is only saying what I’ve been saying for almost seven long years now, only Rutherford claps when Wild Bernie says it. Of course, I read yesterday, Bernie’s wife is a duplicitous POS and thief who ran a college into the ground. 😛 Wouldn’t be right if these Dim candidates didn’t have a little theft in them. But then, she’s married to Bernie.

    The fact Rutherford has ‘evolved’ from downright gross incompetence, tyranny and thuggery to simple pinko and Marx gives me hope he’s trending in the right direction. 😈 He’s always going to be a dupe, but at least he’s an empathetic stooge. 😈

  300. You should show her the Clintons and Obama for the same reason.

    Funny you should bring that up. Not five minutes ago I told her Clinton is a liar and I explained to her that you don’t need “TOP SECRET” at the top of an email to know the contents should be top secret.

  301. Any surgeon will tell you that in an emergency, the first procedure is to stop the bleeding. – Marcus Dundee

    Really? So if someone has a heart attack, you grab a tourniquet? If someone is poisoned, you grab gauze? If someone goes into anaphylactic shock, you apply pressure? If I ever have an emergency, please stay very far away, doctor croc-o-shit.

    BTW, anyone reviewed your visa lately?

  302. “This paralysis over amending the Constitution has to end. It’s time, and well beyond time. Any surgeon will tell you that in an emergency, the first procedure is to stop the bleeding. If this ain’t an emergency, I don’t know what is. And given the birthrates of muslims, it will take only a couple of generations before US is flooded like Europe is now.”

    Yes. Muslim anchor babies are clearly our biggest immigration and citizenship problem……

  303. “Huck Operation Wetback was an Executive action”

    If that did not involve a constitutional amendment, like Trump et al.’s redefinition of citizenship, then it really doesn’t have any bearing in what we (or at least I) are discussing.

  304. If there is any family more classless, tactless, and feckless than the Obamas, it has to be these assholes. And P.S. – I’m now convinced Webb Hubbell is Chelsea’s daddy. 😈

    How about $40.00 iPhone Hillary 2016 case to match her $300K speeches, while Pant suit decries the high cost of college for the “beloved” middle class?

  305. Doesn’t this look like your typical Lefty, young male, panting Obama!

    Actually he just looks like a young white guy with a beard. Take off the Hill shirt, give him an OK accent and BANG you’ve got a Ted Cruz supporter. 😊

  306. “Actually he just looks like a young white guy with a beard. Take off the Hill shirt, give him an OK accent and BANG you’ve got a Ted Cruz supporter.”

    Ehhhhhh, no.

  307. “Funny you should bring that up. Not five minutes ago I told her Clinton is a liar and I explained to her that you don’t need “TOP SECRET” at the top of an email to know the contents should be top secret.”

    That’ll make it hard for you to explain why you voted for her next November. 😆

  308. Ehhhhhh, no.

    Ehhhhh, you’re a doofus. If you really think anyone devoid of obvious clues (like clothing, product preferences, etcetera) looks like a lib or conservative then you’re profoundly silly.

  309. Getting out of gym class was effortless for me. 😊

    But you get points for stringing small-dicked-queer-Harvard drop out in one slur. Nobody does it better than you Tex.

  310. I don’t see where Trumps plan isn’t a two part deal. If I missed something forgive me since I’m not following him.
    Bottom Line the POTUS can and has kicked people out and let people stay without Congress or Constution alterations.

  311. “Ehhhhh, you’re a doofus. If you really think anyone devoid of obvious clues (like clothing, product preferences, etcetera) looks like a lib or conservative then you’re profoundly silly.”

    If you think somebody that chooses to look like that wouldn’t give away his beta-maleness through his mannerisms, you’re profoundly silly.

    Pajamaboy could wear a John Deer cap and chew tobacco anyone not like him would know he voted Obama.

    In fact, if you couldn’t pick up on it, you’re that guy.

  312. You know the 14th coverage of illegals is actually granted by the Executive??? It is a misconception and false interpretation that birthright citizenship was ever meant to be granted to the spawn of criminals.
    The cases some view as precedence actually cover an entirely different issue. In fact to my knowledge the cases people cite win because the government via the legislative branch acted illegally not the born and foreign parents.

  313. Re: Clinton emails: Laughing at our prognostication here. When it was shown that HRC’s lawyer, David Kendall, oversaw the production of the emails in hard copy after printing from a thumb drive, it was obvious to me and my colleagues that that necessarily meant that there were backups and that classified info was handled by people without clearance.

    First, the photocopying had to have been done by a vendor. 55,000 pages aren’t going to be printed on an in-house machine. That would take days just to print and destroy a non-commercial machine. And if sent out for copying, that means that the info was scanned into the copier’s internal hard drive for batch printing. So we now have top secret info on a vendor’s hard drive. Maybe pushed to the cloud by Dropbox or something similar. Good job.

    Second, HRC has said she didn’t review the documents before turning them over. That was done by Kendall’s firm. And it sure wouldn’t have been Kendall personally. It would’ve been by his subordinates. Think any of them had security clearance? Great job.

    Third, the litigation management software run by the firm on a key piece of work like this would unquestionably have the data stored on it. That’s how it works. And if so, that means there are copies there too along with classified documents accessible to non-secure personnel.

    Oh boy. This is going to be fun.

  314. It may have been Politico where I read it but someone in Congress wrote Hillary’s lawyer asking what security clearance he had.

    Your more detailed analysis paints an even more troubling picture. National secrets spread all over the place.

    My question is how can you give this excellent blow by blow based on your experience of how law firms work, and in the next breath say this will not blow up in her face?

    IMO once the letters F-B-I got associated with this, the explosion is just a matter of time.

  315. “And P.S. – I’m now convinced Webb Hubbell is Chelsea’s daddy.”

    Where the hell have you been, Boy? Chelsea’s Dad is Janet Reno.

  316. Parker: Any surgeon will tell you that in an emergency, the first procedure is to stop the bleeding.

    Thor: Really? So if someone has a heart attack, you grab a tourniquet? If someone is poisoned, you grab gauze? If someone goes into anaphylactic shock, you apply pressure? If I ever have an emergency, please stay very far away, doctor croc-o-shit.

    Surgeons don’t treat heart attacks, poisoning, anaphylaxis. That is done by fleas – internists. Surgeons treat surgical emergencies. The first procedure is to stop the bleeding.

    Stick with what you know, whatever that is, Dr. American-public-school-trained-crock-o-ignorance. Tourniquet? Did you really say tourniquet? How old are you anyway, and where did you go to school, son?

  317. Huck: Yes. Muslim anchor babies are clearly our biggest immigration and citizenship problem……

    Now you’re learning. I knew you were of at least average intelligence.

    “As of 2011, it is predicted that the world’s Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years. By 2030, Muslims will make up more than a quarter of the global population. By the year 2100, about 1% more of the world’s population would be Muslim (35%) than Christian (34%).”

    That’s from ten seconds of googling. If you don’t know how, Clytie Mae will be glad to teach you.

  318. No reason at all for the gratuitous smack at Muffy. C’mon, knock it off.

    As for your population estimates, I am a bit confused on their basis. Are Christians, Hindis, Buddhists and atheists going to stop fucking?

    The stats sound like anti-Islamic alarmism to me.

  319. You did not state “Muslim population growth”, you stated “the birthrates of muslims”. I notice that nothing you posted here actually mentions “the birthrates of muslims”.

    I point out the difference because the Googling that I did today—which, I think to my credit, involved more than 10 seconds—shows that conversion is factored into figures of “Muslim population growth”. My prior Googling on that subject, which also involved more than 10 seconds, showed that more people convert to Islam than to any other religion. So that “Muslim population growth” is highly misleading in the context of “the birthrates of muslims”.

    I also notice that your 10 seconds of Googling only produced world figures, and not figures for the U.S. I assume you are familiar with the word “our”—right? When an American, like me–and like you–says the word “our” in the context of “immigration and citizenship”, we are clearly discussing “our” “”immigration and citizenship”—not the world’s “immigration and citizenship”.

    So let me do some of your research for you—since you obviously lack skills in that area.

    The U.S. Muslim population is expected to be about 6.2 million by 2030. By contrast the CURRENT US illegal immigrant population is around 11.5 million. To save you some Google time, I will mention that 11.5>6.2…and remember, the alligator always eats the biggest one.

    So tell us again which one is “clearly our biggest immigration and citizenship problem”.

    It’s quite obvious that you’ve only given this 10 seconds worth of attention. Maybe next time, provided you have the abilities and intelligence level, you’ll give it a little more. And maybe even attach some critical thinking and analysis on top. They do teach that in your stellar schools Down Under, don’t they, mate?

  320. “That’s from ten seconds of googling. If you don’t know how, Clytie Mae will be glad to teach you”.

    Drinking?

  321. Alfie are you speaking to the notion that the 14th was contextually about blacks and it’s been broadened beyond original intent?

    I would put forth that the highest order of the 14th was the reaffirming of federal power over the states in the post Civil War era aka Reconstruction. As for citizenship I think the 14th’s most important line in section 1 is

    and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

    This is the line most often ignored or misinterpreted.

  322. I see now why Pfarker didn’t cite his source–because it is Wikipedia.

    Ironically, the paragraph immediately following the one he quoted, which cites Pew research, would have been a stronger argument for him. I guess that’s what 10 seconds gets you.

    Then again, those numbers are mainly generated from Africa. And since he is already confused as to what “our” means, maybe we shouldn’t venture down that path.

    Let’s take a look at what more than 10 seconds will get you.

    His Wiki research claims that “globally” (and that is worth stressing), fave a fertility rate of 3.1 child per woman, But Pew has also found that Muslim growth rate is actually slowing, and is projected to shrink to 1.5%, and that, as mentioned above, most of the overall increase affecting the global numbers will come from Africa.

    It seems odd that an abortion doctor would get hung up on birth rates, anyway. If you are so concerned about those nasty Muslims taking over the world with their wombs, maybe you should reconsider your position on things, mate.

  323. “My question is how can you give this excellent blow by blow based on your experience of how law firms work, and in the next breath say this will not blow up in her face?”

    Dems tolerate criminality from their own
    Obama might be invested in an “inconclusive” investigation
    you’ve got no back ups
    the FBI is no more independent than any other federal bureau

    I’d say it has blown up. But I am not convinced she will be treated to the indictment she deserves.

  324. I’d say it has blown up.

    I define “blown up” as a chorus declares “at long last have you no decency madam, at long last have you no decency?” And she’s pressured to drop her campaign.

  325. I see mass Hillary kept #blacklivesmatter thugs out of her NH date with the Secret Service then met privately with a group and sold the “dumb niggers” a load of jizz. I have no reason to think they didn’t say “Yumm”
    Hillary wins I will change my name to Muhammed and blow this fucking country to smithereens.

  326. Nope Alfie you’re only partly right. Bingo on the SS preventing a Bernie-like confrontation. But you’re wrong after that. As a vid posted in this thread already showed a black man truly got in her face blaming her and Bill for the current incarceration situation. Hillary basically said she wasn’t interested in changing hearts and minds, only laws.

    The two BLM folks then went on Rachel Maddow last night (guest host MHP) and dissed Hillary’s answer.

    BLM should be called BLaMe Whitey. It’s a very bad turn of events for the civil rights movement.

  327. Alfie, you raise an interesting observation and one that is seldom mentioned across this land.

    What does it say of America when the Clintons can for at least 30 years operate above the law in the most transparently hypocritical manner, one twice be elected President, the other a front runner for President – the same party, mind you, that blacks vote overwhelmingly for?

    What does it say of these #BlackLiesMatter bigots when they are asking perhaps the most visible individual in this nation operating under a different set of rules than the rest of us, to solve this supposed prejudice in justice for those who are supposedly oppressed by bigotry?

    If these imbeciles were truly concerned about a miscarriage of justice and believing the scales weighed against them, how inane is it to be asking the very caricature of prejudicial law to solve what ails the legality against the black community? These loud-mouthed zealots should have been pointing fingers at Hillary and saying “YOU ARE THE PROBLEM,” not because Hillary is white or her husband more greatly enforced drug laws, but Hillary the most visible example of how connections allow people like Hillary, Slick and Obama to openly flaunt the inequality of law.

    This is why I have no sympathy for the greater poor black community – they are pointing the fingers at the wrong perpetrators while ignoring the 12,000lbs elephant of their own horrid behavior.

  328. FBI Evidence Proves Innocence of Accused Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

    Dzhokhar was not convicted on the basis of evidence.

    In my questioning of John Remington Graham, I concluded that despite 48 years of active experience with criminal justice, both as a prosecuting attorney and defense attorney, he was shocked to his core by the legal malfeasance of the Tsarnaev case. As Graham is nearing the end of his career, he is willing to speak out, but he could not find a single attorney in the state of Massachusetts who would sponsor his appearance before the Federal District Court in Boston.

    This tells me that fear of retribution has now extended its reach into the justice (sic) system and that the America that we knew where law was a shield of the people no longer exists.

    We don’t need no stinkin’ evidence! 😈

  329. “I define “blown up” as a chorus declares “at long last have you no decency madam, at long last have you no decency?” And she’s pressured to drop her campaign.”

    Hillary is nothing more then a symtom. The disease is a morally bankrupt base.

    She is the perfect reflection of about 60% of this country and an avatar of the Democratic Party.

  330. She is the perfect reflection of about 60% of this country and an avatar of the Democratic Party.

    I was about to challenge you on this but her current poll numbers defy any argument I could launch.

  331. Hey Poolman? You seen that Susanna Hoffs lately? She’s still a doll. She’s got to be around our age. She still looks good too. 🙂

    Always thought she was a little doll. The others weren’t bad looking either.

    But I always kind of preferred this one. Man, we are dating ourselves.

  332. Five years ago today, the rock world lost Michael Been. 70’s rocker who collaborated with the likes of , Garth Hudson (The Band), Bob Mosley (Moby Grape) and Bono. he was one of the few that could make the transition to the MTV era with his band, The Call. This is one of their cooler songs. Cool until Al Gore co-opted it for his ill-fated 2000 presidential campaign. The Call was a California band but Been was a native of Oklahoma.

    Let the day begin.

  333. Now, you clowns got me thinking about all my girl crushes in rock.

    Trashy tough she may be I stood at attention when Joan Jett asked “Do you wanna touch me THERE?”

  334. Tex I think you brainfarted. You posted Belinda Carlisle of the Go-Go’s, not Susanna Hoffs of the Bangles.

    Your crush on Belinda is well documented. She’s a Texan I think.

  335. Joan Jett tried to pick up my wife. 😐

    😆

    My old woman must still have it too. We went to a country and western bar the night of my daughter’s ‘match day’ with her husband and his family down in Houston. I don’t do dance.

    One young guy after another would come up and ask my wife to two step. She didn’t have boots either. 😆 She did have flats. My daughter and son-in-law actually do this for entertainment and I’m too old to care so I nursed a $6.00 beer all night. But I did put my foot down when some older ‘couple’ approached her at the bar. I saw her up there shaking her head no about something. I practically had to drag it out of the old prude what she was so adamant about. WTH? Do we look like swingers, or something? And not the dance floor kind either, I don’t think. She said, “They didn’t mention anything about you. I’m sure they just meant dancing.” LOL “Baloney. You’ve been cruising, haven’t you, you hussy.”

    Like I’ve said before, Poolman. There’s a whole new world out there that I am totally unfamiliar.

  336. You posted Belinda Carlisle of the Go-Go’s, not Susanna Hoffs of the Bangles.

    No, I didn’t – though I wasn’t very clear about it. I just always thought Brenda cute, so I added her to the mix. I know you know who Sixpence is. This was all over the radio several years back.

  337. “Surgeons don’t treat heart attacks, poisoning, anaphylaxis. That is done by fleas – internists. Surgeons treat surgical emergencies. The first procedure is to stop the bleeding.” – Pfarkface

    Hmmm. So people don’t get heart bypass SURGERY unless they are bleeding first?

    “Stick with what you know, whatever that is, Dr. American-public-school-trained-crock-o-ignorance. Tourniquet? Did you really say tourniquet?” – Pfark sniffer

    “Surgical tourniquets prevent blood flow to a limb and enable surgeons to work in a bloodless operative field. This allows surgical procedures to be performed with improved precision, safety and speed. Tourniquets are widely used in orthopedic and plastic surgery, as well as in intravenous regional anesthesia (Bier block anesthesia) where they serve the additional function of preventing local anesthetic in the limb from entering general circulations.” – WIKI

    Your knowledge of modern medicine appears to be at sub-wiki levels, so much so that even your claims of doctor are now suspect. And all exposed by a dandy leftist mate with an American public school education. Imagine that.

  338. Poolman, pernicious conspiracy theorists such as yourself suffer from personality disorders. You should read up on it. My challenge was to meet your inability to draw conclusions without ignoring all corroborating evidence and favoring anything deemed inexplicable by unreliable/incomplete/ignorant sources. In other words, it’s fucked up logic for your starting point to be the assumption that a broadly viewed event was staged and the belief the burden of proving otherwise rests on the ones that accept it.

    Rational thought is the exact opposite. And you have no rational thought. It ls why you believe a mechanical insect was spying on your wife doing yard work.

    You should read up on your own dysfunction. Perhaps there’ll be an epiphany.

  339. Now you’re a psychologist? 🙄 By ‘broadly viewed’ you mean ‘televised’?

    My logic is questionable? Rational thought is what I would expect to find in someone ‘claiming’ to be a prosecutor. So far, you never fail to disappoint.

  340. @ Rutherford I think if you don’t think Hilly played them I guess its a matter of perception. I say they b played.
    @poolman you’re a vile creature. the sign story was debunked as being well into the event. Go to some of your hoaxer sites that have dash cam images. Responding units drove past the fire station and sign wasn’t there. There is other footage that shows when the sign actually finally arrived.
    Again you’re vile. You spout the same lie enough you believe it and think other people who are just tired of listening to the likes of you and Spivey et al believe it secondary to their ceasing to tell you to STFU.

  341. Gut Level America (Down in the streets and on the farm) have never been really great at the complex game of politics, have they? I like the “Deer In The Headlights” looks you get when you ask an ordinary citizen at the shopping mall or on the street even the simplese poltitical question and they look at you like you are some kind of total idiot or something …. when in all reality it is probably them … the great clueless horde!

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