The Folly of Expanding the Franchise 

Before our Constitution was amended, voting rights were basically left to the states and usually defaulted to property owners. Since then, amendments and federal legislation has expanded the right to vote to blacks, women and people between the ages of 18 and 21 with property ownership not a requirement.

After watching a focus group of Donald Trump supporters I’m beginning to think the notion of voting being an exclusive privilege rather than a right is the proper way to go. Bloomberg’s John Heilemann interviewed a focus group of Trump supporters. A few things became clear:

  1. Most had no idea of Trump’s prior, less conservative views on such things as healthcare and abortion rights.
  2. One said Trump was like one of us except for the rich part. That’s like saying a porcupine is like a kitty cat except for the needles.
  3. They liked that he was blunt and “honest” which gave him a pass for characterizing illegal immigrants as killers and rapists (and he “assumes” some good folks too).

In short, the group sounded like a bunch of thirteen year olds. That was their level of sophistication in choosing the next leader of the free world. Mind you, I don’t argue with some of their assessment. I like Trump’s in your face style. I like that he holds over all the other candidates their history of begging HIM for money and endorsement. But does that really qualify him for the biggest job in America?

Now before conservatives get their dander up, I admit this next-to-baseless infatuation is not unprecedented. In 2008, many Americans, including me, became enthralled with a man with near zero meaningful government experience. He had no executive experience. He was articulate, handsome, youthful and most of all black. Besides that, basically a blank slate. And millions, including me, fell in love and put him in the White House. How much CRITICAL thinking went into the decision? And I don’t mean stupid critiques like he was a closet Muslim. I mean serious consideration of his proposed solutions to our problems.

During this go-round I’m on slightly firmer ground but only slightly. I have rejected Hillary Clinton, a political operative and proven liar. But “my guy” has his own major weakness. While Bernie Sanders has a long legislative record and a consistent outlook, as a candidate he’s proven great at defining the problem but not as great at defining the solution. Forget foreign policy. It’s not his thing. I love his straight talk and I share his view of what ails us but how does that make me much different from the members of the Trump focus group?

Now I certainly don’t want to give up my right to vote. But do I work hard enough to make the right decision? Do you? Hasn’t our presidential selection process devolved into American Idol? I don’t know what the proper “test” is for voter eligibility but I have to admit that under the current come one-come all system, our country is probably not in the best of hands.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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690 thoughts on “The Folly of Expanding the Franchise 

  1. Firstly, they’re quills. Grannies have needles; phonographs have needles; porcupines have quills.

    Secondly, as time passes, it becomes more and more apparent how much damage an inexperienced man (read that, “ignorant”) can do from a position of authority. As was said here before, the only truly lethal combination in politics is ignorance combined with arrogance. Your BO has both in spades.

    Doesn’t know anything except “black rage” and entitlement and couldn’t care less about the public at large, as long as his favored group – of which he is a half-member – gets its special treatment at the expense of everybody else.

    Look up “rent-seeking.” Bo and Shelly to a T.

  2. Hasn’t our presidential selection process devolved into American Idol?” – R

    Well said, Rutherford. That is exactly what the process has become. Why?

    Several reasons.: The media has learned in order to attract viewers all news needs to be presented in a format such as American Idol. Politicians have learned to behave like celebrities. Trump is a perfect example. People want to be entertained not educated.

    The general populace are without work or are working three jobs if they are lucky. They really don’t care about foreign policy or the Fed or the behind the scenes workings of our government. They only care about employment and health care or welfare. I have seen this mentality in the aftermath of a disaster such as a hurricane. Love thy neighbors, I don’t think so! Give me mine and the rest of you can go to hell.

    The audible levels are set at high. Music SCREAMS, Bloggers SCREAM, novels fiction and non-fiction SCREAM and Politicians SCREAM. No one can hear at that level so they just scream louder.

    Maybe if someone whispers people will stop and listen

  3. Seems strange to me you would be taking Trump voters to task when those you found distasteful represent about 95% of the Democratic voters in every election. We’ve played the videos about how stupid these people you are bound to again and again.

    I know you soft sold the Barack stuff, but you’re about seven years late to the game. Frankly I find Barack Obama himself pretty stupid, same with Hillary Clinton. They can manipulate a mob but not much else.

    Bernie Sanders is an avowed socialist, and there’s no historical record of that ever working either. Perhaps you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. 😐

  4. I asked those of you who voted for Obama to atone for your sin, and Thor apologized. Now you have written what I consider an apology.

    I don’t know about others, but I have worked hard to make the right decision, and though some turn out to be bad, it is only because one choice is barely worse than the other.

    Most people should not be voting without taking a test.

    I also blame the news media. It is their responsibility to tell people with little time or energy what is happening, but many of the press lie to us through distortion or omission.

    I don’t believe Hillary is stupid though age related senility may be setting in. Obama might be stupid, but his advisers and the press who run defense for him are not.
    I believe they are traitors to the old America. They want to change us into a form of European socialism. Obama may or may not be stupid, but his accomplishments are notable. He has changed the United States to fit his image, and it will be hard to undo the damage he has inflicted.

  5. Post-Obama America is ready for anything. Lots of us have run out of fucks to give as one wise commenter put it before he went AWOL on the lamb of god tour bus.

    Obama was Trump’s warm up act. Talk about celebrity POTUS. Obama thinks he’s a comedian and Al Green rolled into one. I’m only partially convinced he won’t concoct a permanant POTUS thing for him and his posse.

    Trump is getting on my nerves. 16 Republican candidates is getting on my nerves. Hillary is an unthinkable proposition.

    I’m counting on a number of you to keep the laughs up or else there will be blood.

    To the silent watcher that was a movie reference.

  6. The sad thing is, not a single of the qualities being cited as reasons to back Trump has anything to do with being able to do the job. (This also applies to fans of Palin, Obama, Reagan, and a lot of other people.) Talking tough really doesn’t mean that much. Joe, the drunk guy down the street, can talk tough, isn’t a politician, and doesn’t take special interest money.

    I don’t want Joe the Drunk Guy as President.

    A huge part of the problem is press sensationalism. Trump is getting attention he doesn’t deserve because he’s a big name and he sells papers (or generates ads, anyway). Another part is laziness — why are we talking about polls this far out, instead of profiling candidates and informing voters? People are saying Trump because they have no idea who Kasich, Christie, Rubio, Fiorina, Walker, Cruz, Paul, Jindal, Carson, etc. are. People are saying Clinton because they’ve heard of her. They don’t know O’Malley, Chafee, Sanders, or Webb. In this age, why is there not a detailed profile page for every significant candidate, with stories covering their careers, positions on issues, etc.?

    Because the press is trying to sell ad-clicks, not to inform the public.

  7. I really don’t care how much stupid you have to endure regarding Trump., Rutherford. You deserve each and every facepalm.

    You deserve to worry too.

    I did like the post more than usual. I give it a thumb sideways. Shows improvement.

    PS…waiting room at the eye institute, eyes partially dilated and vision blurring fast. Hope this says words right.

  8. Hasn’t our presidential selection process devolved into American Idol?

    Yes. Today it’s American Idol meets The Apprentice. America has become all about celebrity and sound bites. We’ve turned life into a commercial. And rightly stated, it is a selection rather than an election. With the choices left to select, I believe national elections are rigged. Voting provides Americans the placebo effect. It gives us a sense of empowerment without actually giving us any control. Much like a kiddie car seat with a built in steering wheel.

  9. Hey “Winkle.” You just crossed my mind the other day wondering what ever happened to you. Hope life finds you well.

    But I’ll be darned if I know how you got Reagan in the breath with the rest of those fools. Reagan, by the historical record, was America’s most successful 20th century President. Communism fell, the recovery was one of the strongest on record, oversaw the largest creation of net worth in American history, and started an economic growth run of 26 years. All of that is pretty easily proven.

  10. Apparently, I’m a desired voter according the Rutherford scale. I can tell you to a candidate pretty much the 17 strengths and weaknesses from a Republican perspective and believe everyone of them, even Trump, more qualified than Hillary or Bernie the Greek.

    But then that’s not saying much.

    I believe the field is so crowded because many of these people seek cabinet posts, lecturing fees, etc…Cause célèbre.

  11. Poolman, that Shrillary Poster is pretty funny. I had to take a second look at the “ED” part. I’m more convinced by the day the supposed invincible candidate Clinton isn’t even going to make it to the election. And I don’t think a Bush is either.

  12. I don’t know, Tex. I heard on the snews yesterday that Hell is gaining ground and I still think it will boil down to her and Jeb – IF we make it until then. There are a lot of predictions from asteroids and aliens to nuclear annihilation all over the intertubes. The myriad of candidates are a distraction providing enough interest and diversion to keep us all in the game.

    There are fundamental changes coming down the pike. 😐

  13. Could be right, Poolman. I can’t speak for the Dim Party much, because we aren’t living with rational people. The 98% of Dims give the 2% of Dims with an ounce of sense a bad name. 😈

  14. “Hasn’t our presidential selection process devolved into American Idol?”

    You answered your own quedtion. You did this!

  15. El Tigre is not AWOL — I git the kitchen pass. With Lil’ La Tigra at Cedar Point in Ohio.

    This place is hard on the wallet but really fun. Kids paradise. And the rollercoasters are Da Bomb!

    If anyone cares, Google “Top Thrill Dragster” and check this ride out. Zero to 120 mph in 3.5 seconds. Then straight up 427 feet and right back down.

    I’ve done it four times. It was our breakfast eye-opener this morning.

    Yee haw!

  16. The media and the left created Trump — although I repeat myself.

    I do pray he fades before he dies too much damage to the GOP. But not before he influcts enough harm on the idiot left.

  17. We are on our way to the funeral of a man who with his wife were bikers when they were younger. Here is my antidote for the death and for our current government and its allies.

  18. Doesn’t know anything except “black rage” and entitlement and couldn’t care less about the public at large, as long as his favored group – of which he is a half-member – gets its special treatment at the expense of everybody else.

    Sorry Parker, that’s sheer foolishness. Obama has done next to nothing for black people. They support him out of blind racial solidarity. He’s done next to nothing to earn the support.

  19. Post-Obama America is ready for anything.

    The USA tends to go pendulum. Obama was a reaction to Bush. The next president will likely be an (over)reaction to Obama. This does not bode well for Hillary. What she has going for her are millions of militant women who are dying for the first female POTUS. It will be a powerful historical moment, hard to prevent. Kinda like stepping in front of a freight train. Still, the rot that surrounds her may be too hard to overcome.

    18 months out, this is a hard race to call.

  20. In this age, why is there not a detailed profile page for every significant candidate, with stories covering their careers, positions on issues, etc.?

    To some extent there are, provided the candidate can get his damn URL to point to the proper information. 🙂

    http://www.tedcruz.com/

    Good to see you here Ken … I’m pretty sure I know you from an old blog. Glad you stopped by,

  21. PS…waiting room at the eye institute, eyes partially dilated and vision blurring fast. Hope this says words right.

    Ahhh that explains it. You meant to write “WOW I loved this blog entry. You’ve become my favorite blogger” but the eyes got in the way. 😆

  22. “He’s done next to nothing to earn the support.”

    And who has? Al Sharpton? The whole liberal gig is a complete sham for black people. Lucky for you they vote like ignorant children. So it doesn’t matter.

    The left owns black people as vote slaves. And treat them as such. If they behave (or in some cases throw a tactical tantrum) theys get rewarded wit da promise of a good Sunday suppa.

    Shitty phones. A water bill paid here and there. Welfare. But dats it.

  23. Reagan, by the historical record, was America’s most successful 20th century President.

    I think Ken wasn’t addressing Reagan’s record as President so much as what we had to go on when we elected him. Yes he was a governor of a huge state. I will give him that. But he was also a B actor, union activist if I recall (actor’s union) and a former Democrat. “Morning in America” is no more a governing philosophy than “Hope and Change”.

    By the way, one of the Trump focus group members said Trump would bring “hope” back to America. I thought of you Tex, and laughed my ass off.

    P.S. Your memory regarding our old host of an old blog is uncanny. You’ve got a steel trap for a brain Tex.

  24. “Dat wright. Your own quedtion.”

    Hahaha.

    Top Thrill Dragster looks like a blast Tigre but I’m not so sure about the loops coming down. Seems unnecessary. Speed – yes please. Dizzying heights and a big drop – hell yes.. Loops? No. Not like.

  25. I’m more convinced by the day the supposed invincible candidate Clinton isn’t even going to make it to the election.

    Seriously then, who will? While I support (and will work for) Sanders, I’m not confident to say he will be the nominee.

  26. LOL I absolutely loved Lt. Higgins. While the perp gets served through a hole, Higgins will be having a cheeseburger and large fries. LOL He may indeed be a more credible candidate than Trump. 🙂

  27. “You meant to write “WOW I loved this blog entry. You’ve become my favorite blogger” but the eyes got in the way.”

    Eyes are getting back to normal. And I see now that you’ve gone and put Obama in the “nothing new here” set with one of your follow up comments. I disagree. Obama is a special kind of problem. Sorry but that’s the way I see him and I can assure you I started out with hope. He performed worse at his job as president than the captain of the Italian cruise ship that capsized and sank did at his job. And I truly feel that we don’t know half the shit Obama’s done on the QT.

    The best I can say about him is that I’m deeply disappointed in the way Obama handled race from the get go. He doesn’t want to heal the racial divide, we wants to widen it.

    Now THAT he’s good at.

    He wasn’t just an overreaction. And his sucking is not in reaction to anything either like boo hoo they don’t wanna compromise wid me. It’s who he is and it’s how he operates.

  28. He was governor of huge state. End of story. This puts him a universe ahead of the black phantom who voted present.

    Hell…we could watch Ronald’s movies. We don’t get to see anything Obama has done. As in nothing!

    Obama never ran a lemonade stand.

    To think this country is so self destructive and negligent it is capable of voting for such an unknown…….. Well….American Idol you damn right….

    The sky is the limit in what the ignorant mob could vote for, post Obama.

  29. “Obama in the “nothing new here” set with one of your follow up comments”

    Isn’t that Rutherford’s normal shtick?

  30. Rutherford, you agree with me that liberalism has harmed the black community horribly and that the entire Democratic Party uses black people to divide America for the sake of power?

    You’ve come a long way.

  31. Though this is current blasphemy within ranks to say, I find Donald Trump not credible. In fact, if Trump were to get the Republican nomination, I would put that about on par with Hillary or Sanders for President, but not Barack Obama.

    Obama is in a world of massive incompetence and thug behavior all his own. At least Hill has Bill and Sanders appears to be a crazed honest.

    Trump says a few things which pols would all love to say, but the fact Trump is leading the Republican primary even at this point demonstrates just how “not serious” politics has really become. Hell, Trump is a former backer of the Clintons.

    I would hate that a guy like Trump with such a massive ego would choose to run 3rd party and throw an election to Hillary – purposely and with motivation. And no, I don’t put that past a massive ego and blowhard like Trump.

  32. I know. Essentially, I agree with Rutherford (as he pointed out).

    Trump is a symptom of an angry, emotional and ignorant people. The mob.

    I cringed over the fascism of Obama shit-lords in ’08.

    The appeal to raw emotion and “feelings” is now the norm thanks to that disgusting national puke session.

    So it is with Trump, except the other side of the pendulum.

    Social media has empowered the idiot mob since ’08.

    Even if Trump backs down or fizzles, I fear the day draws near when the country elects a Caligula. We already elected a a Hugo Chavez type.

  33. It’s so obvious to me that Hell is playing her trump card. He serves no other purpose than to give her a win.

  34. “I believe the field is so crowded because many of these people seek cabinet posts, lecturing fees, etc…Cause célèbre.”

    Darn. Not only does Tex remember me, he said something I agree with.

  35. you agree with me that liberalism has harmed the black community horribly and that the entire Democratic Party uses black people to divide America for the sake of power?

    I believe liberalism has not helped the black community. The results speak for themselves.

    All politics from the left or right is about dividing people for the sake of power. If you don’t think there are pols on the right who stoke white resentment you’re not paying attention. Just as there are leftists taking advantage of victimhood.

    You know what’s the real bitch? Not getting money out of politics – it’s getting politics out of politics.

  36. Rutherford, you wrote you might support and work for Bernie Sanders. Why?

    What specifically will he do for this country that Obama or Hillary, the other barely stealth socialists can’t ? What do you like about his stated goals? What is his record? Will his apparent barely mild interest in foreign policy hurt or help the US? What in his record of accomplishments makes him worthy of support?

  37. Boot him out of where? Maybe I’m missing it but he’s not an illegal alien, just a dude who wasn’t Native American and didn’t belong to the reservation. If I missed something let me know.

    Regardless, bastard should fry.

  38. The killer is a not an American citizen and was given legal documentation as an immigrant despite a previous burglary.

    I actually thought he was an illegal alien that they refused to deport.

    Fucking asshole high planes drifter comes to our country to kill.

  39. Muff, the two barrel rolls ain’t bad. A little spice. They’re both at the slowest points on either side of the apex.

    The speed is over the top. Sat in the front on car gulping air. At 120 It is about freefall speed at terminal velocity. Your anxiety catches up teo minutes after you exit. The entire ride is around 20 secs. Fantastic.

  40. Oh yeah, T, I forgot about that.

    I proposed to the old lady in Plymouth. In that town square there. You been to the Box Bar?

  41. Just finished the 2 hour and 40 minute “Interstellar” and the games it plays with time are mind blowing. Not sure I’d recommend it even though I’ve greatly enjoyed other Christopher Nolan films.

    One interesting thing is as a minor plot point it plays with the logical destination of our increasing rejection of science.

  42. The killer is a not an American citizen and was given legal documentation as an immigrant despite a previous burglary.

    Ok I missed that in the linked article. LOL I’ll have to go back. Maybe I didn’t read all the way to the end.

  43. I thought Interstellar started great and about half way through, started to drift. The end was pitiful. Actually saw that one in the theater with a “date” of an old high school girl friend. Strictly platonic. And she acted pretty awful, enough to make me glad I am not on the dating scene anymore if that is what become of women in their 50s.

    She’s an MD and I paid for the movie and popcorn and apparently she didn’t like the movie I chose. LOL After about the third snarky comment, I couldn’t get her to her mother’s house fast enough. 🙂 (She’s from Australia now). She got so disgusted with American medicine, she actually moved out of the country and went to work for some insurance place determining procedures that would be accepted.

  44. 120mph is wild. I’ve gone on two that accelerated you to about 60mph in a little over two seconds at Disney and Branson. Man, I’d like to try that.

    Unfortunately, I discovered something else at Branson too. I’m now to the age my daredevil equilibrium and stomach aren’t what they used to be. A couple of the roller coasters actually begin to bother me a bit if I had anything to eat before hand.

    This getting old really sucks.

  45. Hey Tex, how did you like “Interstellar”s dimension of love? LOL That one was hard to swallow. 🙂

    P.S. Regarding your “date”, if heaven forbid I outlive my wife, I shall be alone the rest of my days. Getting to know someone is just too difficult.

  46. It’s funny how people change, “R.” I know I have gotten pretty set in my ways and this gal never married, though she was pretty at one time and obviously very bright. Good Lord, I can’t even imagine spending day in and day out with that act. Probably how my wife feels now. 😈

    I thought dating in high school, college and as a young professional was dysfunctional. This was worse.

    I held my tongue, but I was so sick of her act by the end of the movie, I’m not sure I really care if we ever get together again when she comes into town. If this is what dating is like, then if something happens to my Dear Wife, I’ve already learned celibacy. LOL. I have grown real comfortable with myself the last decade too. Netflix is entertaining. However, I’d be lying if I said I don’t prefer to be married. But Mickey and Sarge are not bad company either. They never complain, love me to death, greet me every morning like they haven’t seen me in months, and all they require is a place to sleep, food, a couple of walks, and somebody to clean up the mess.

    I’ve got a friend who never had children about three times divorced that got so disgusted buying women houses, he found himself one of those younger Chinese brides and seems quite happy. Maybe I’ll buy one of those Russian mail-order brides that looked like they walked out of a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue, get a prenup and have a go for about year before they run off and leave me. By that time, I’ll probably have had a heart attack anyway. 😛

  47. Mr. Deniz is a legal resident from Mexico, because He entered legally in May, 2013. That is why the burglary charge was not enough to send him home. The Washington Times also reported that the Obama administration did not say how he initially earned citizenship.

    That raises a little flag for me. How did he become legal? The administration has let people come here sooner than they would have a few years earlier. Maybe a previous administration would also have let him become a citizen, or maybe not.

  48. You who are worrying about growing old understand I am already old, but without most of the degenerative diseases associated with advanced age. All I take is eye drops for my left eye which has glaucoma. Remember, in late June, I fell six to eight feet while picking cherries, and I am fine. I know people who would have been hospitalized.

    People younger than I are dying or becoming disabled. Yesterday, we attended the funeral of a biker. He and his wife had driven their motorcycles to Alaska in their younger years. They were fixtures at motorcycle rallies like Sturgis, SD.

    About half of the mourners were bikers with expensive Harleys, and they wore biker gear. They also were old. They formed an honor guard on the way to the cemetary.

    The video I posted of the wedding is how they began. The happy couple cannot imagine how their lives will change.Now the biker couple who was as vibrant as they has ended, but my wife and I are still here. As our contemporaries die, our past dies with them. We are becoming stranded in a world without our old roots–like living in another country. It sucks, but it is far better than being dead or frail.

  49. Tex –
    re: celibacy – They say to not give up sex all at once: get married and taper off. Or the old joke about why the bride always smiles: she knows she’s given her last blowjob. Re: buying houses. Rod Stewart is reputed to have said that the next time he got the urge to get married, he was just going to find a woman he didn’t like and buy her a house.

    Most of my clients are older, and my kids are gone now, so I haven’t seen much of today’s youth in action. I’ve recently been to a couple of weddings in Western US, though, and based on what I see, I would never advise a young man there to get married – ever – or to have children. Of course, that line of thinking ends the species in one generation. Maybe another good thing.

    I’m definitely on board with the Oriental and Russian mail-order brides – I have one friend with a Filipina wife whom he met online about fifteen years ago. She is smart, funny, appreciative. He’s a horse farmer and a bit coarse around the edges – and knows it. Never any time for women – works like a horse, himself. She has civilized him in the same way he would a horse – not by nagging, but by gentleness – and HE is appreciative, too. She’s even taught him to play piano somewhat. This “women’s lib” stuff hasn’t been a good thing, and my experience is that these “liberated” types are far less happy than their “unliberated” mothers. Hope they’re all happy together; men with anything on the ball are looking elsewhere.

  50. James – they say the toughest thing about getting old is that your friends are gone. Are you familiar with Oliver Wendell Holmes’ “Last Leaf on the Tree?”

    I saw him once before,
    As he passed by the door,
    And again
    The pavement stones resound,
    As he totters o’er the ground
    With his cane.
    They say that in his prime,
    Ere the pruning-knife of Time
    Cut him down,
    Not a better man was found
    By the Crier on his round
    Through the town.
    But now he walks the streets,
    And he looks at all he meets
    Sad and wan,
    And he shakes his feeble head,
    That it seems as if he said,
    “They are gone!”
    The mossy marbles rest
    On the lips that he has prest
    In their bloom,
    And the names he loved to hear
    Have been carved for many a year
    On the tomb.
    My grandmamma has said–
    Poor old lady, she is dead
    Long ago–
    That he had a Roman nose,
    And his cheek was like a rose
    In the snow;
    But now his nose is thin,
    And it rests upon his chin
    Like a staff,
    And a crook is in his back,
    And a melancholy crack
    In his laugh.
    I know it is a sin
    For me to sit and grin
    At him here;
    But the old three-cornered hat,
    And the breeches, and all that,
    Are so queer!
    And if I should live to be
    The last leaf upon the tree
    In the spring,
    Let them smile, as I do now,
    At the old forsaken bough
    Where I cling.

  51. I liked Interstellar. I get a sick enjoyment watching over ambitious movies collapse under their own weight.

  52. Rutherford I think there are two sides to the equation. One can argue the classic L.I.V.,low information voter,is a negative to the election process.
    I find this to be the easy way out. I equally find railing against campaign finances simplistic in nature.
    Our media is a better area to focus on for real change. I would also say a rethink of our elections is another. I’ve advocated moving election days and pondered compulsory voting. The system needs a shock as much as it needs to come to terms that some of its fundamentals are inescapable,such as the L.I.V.

  53. This is what compulsory voting in America will lead to.

    Can you imagine anything more delegitimizing to a president than to have actually lost to “none of the above”?

  54. I love roller coasters and being in the front is absolutely the best spot. No chance of getting puke on you – unless it’s your own. 😆 I remember doing six flags in Texas in the 70’s when they put in the loop-d-loop coaster. I think that was the first built with a loop. Loved it. But then I’m the guy on the ferris wheel rocking and swinging the chairs while folks are loading and unloading.

  55. I saw Interstellar several weeks ago. Mrs poolman likes redbox. Well produced and some very interesting concepts, but overall a bit tedious. I would probably watch it again to catch stuff I missed if the opportunity presented itself, which is rare for me. I’m one of those that prefers not to watch movies or shows I have previously seen, unless they are educational and I want greater understanding.

  56. “Our media is a better area to focus on for real change.”

    What media? We are the media. Morons like Poolman are the new media. TV is for Old people and newspapers are dead. Any one can be their own NBC or Fox News. There are no excuses, the way I see it. Every moron has their voice and their own crowd.

    These idiots are susceptible to ever viral idiocy that years ago wouldn’t have left a small town.

    Compulsory voting? Why in the hell would such a thing counter dangerous populism?

  57. I am the new media? 😆 I broadcast my message to the world then! Why should the 85 people that own half the world’s wealth and resources be the only ones to have their say? They wouldn’t be so isolated from scrutiny if we did not enable them. I’ve gained strength swimming against the flow.

    Be responsible and choose your words wisely.

  58. Thanks Parker. I like that poem, and haven’t read it in years. Its nice to read it this morning. My wife’s grandmother and her twin sister discussed the same issues when they were about 90. They had it a little worse because no one remained who could speak their native German language.

    Low information voters gave us Obama. Therefore, I oppose mandatory voting without an accompanying civics and current events course. Each jurisdiction would also be required to post the candidate’s history of achievement and ideological record.

    The media is an important part of our problem. They are evolving into political public relations firms.
    Nothing will happen except that I will continue to rely on the internet and, I will continue to feel smugly superior to the LIV who can hardy manage his/her own life.

  59. The Washington Examiner editorializes that the Obama administration may be involved with the Va U rape hoax perpetrated by Rolling Stone. The Department of Education refused Freedom of Information Act requests for phone logs and other records.

    I should be fair and give the administration the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t.

    I am more focused on our grand daughter who as you know is a miracle. She likes Shut up and Dance played in the video as much as she likes the Eurovision flash mob I shared a month or so ago. Our grand daughter copies the moves she sees and dances to the rhythm. She stops when the song ends. Not bad for a two year old.

    Her future is still uncertain, but after we showed our daughter what her daughter can do, she decided to put her in dance class when she is older.

    That is a change from when her parents considered giving her a three letter name so she would remember it.

  60. Rutherford, I asked you what in detail you see in Sanders. A Newsweek article is titled Bernie Sanders on Immigration: Silly, Tribal and Economically Illiterate.”

    Do you disagree?

  61. Newsweek is whose voice? What is their claim to truth? The title itself reeks of opinion and is therefore news weak. Sorry. I have to disagree without even reading the article or even knowing where Bernie stands on immigration. This mental masturbation is too much for me. It’s as if you think the Bern will be considered by the DNC when it comes right down to it. 😆 I think Bernie a decent guy living somewhat modestly with a reasonable history of dealing straight and in the interest of others. He is an oddity whereas he should be among kindred spirits. But we only see what their programs will allow. From my pov I cannot see him rising above the quagmire of dc to conquer the playing field and assume the position we call top.

  62. I directed the question to Rutherford because he claimed he plans to support and work for Bernie Sanders if a miracle makes him the Democratic nominee. I want to know how much he knows about Sanders and why he would support someone like him after he has complained about some of the issues Sanders might reinforce.

    I know some of Sander’s immigration policy record, and I assume the Newsweek reporters do too.

    The article is an opinion piece based on the public record of Sander’s votes and comments. Therefore, it is the basis for a legitimate question for Rutherford to answer.

    Rutherford’s answer would be instructive. It would reveal some of his true feelings about our current state of affairs or if he is as ignorant as he was about Obama and is relying more on emotion than information.

    I would do the same to my wife or children if they left an opening as Rutherford did. This is a blatant attempt to trap him.

  63. James, life is an odd thing. The other day an “able bodied” woman had to be taken out of our exercise class in a wheelchair with oxygen because the session overcame her.

    Had any observer seen the two of us walk into that class, they would’ve placed bets that I would be the one being wheeled out with an oxygen cannula in my nose.

  64. DR, don’t recall going to Box Bar. That doesn’t mean I haven’t but I don’t recall it. I’ll try it next time I’m there. Looks like good bar for beer. And I likes my beer. Michigan, GR in particular, is beer heaven.

    Tex, I think there’s a virtual ride online. I’ll look for it and post if I have a chance. It’s not a puke machine. Just speed really.

  65. Alfie, many here (not you) have a problem with the notion of keeping two contradictory ideas in ones head at one time.

    I also favor compulsory voting even though I say in the same breath that much of the electorate are not up to the task.

    Perhaps the logic is that the more folks that have to show up, the more competent folks will have to vote.

  66. R is for compulsory voting and I’m to the point of saying you don’t pay federal taxes, you don’t get the opportunity to vote. 😈 Pay to play, baby. No more voting without skin in the game.

  67. I’m glad you were fine, Rutherford. You are a tough old bird. Well, not old yet.

    I already gave a plan to correct the ignorance problem. Obama is the latest reason compulsory voting without education is a bad idea.

  68. Here is one bit of information I would expect a person forced to vote should know. Stem Express got a temporary restraining order against Center for Medical Progress to stop more videos.

    David Daleidan who was in charge of the sting operation told CNN “They admitted that they sometimes get fully intact fetuses shipped to their laboratory from the abortion clinics they work with and that could be prima facie evidence of born alive infants. And so that’s why they’re trying to suppress that videotape, and they’re very scared of it,”

    The Stemexpress web site says they financially reward clinics which sell them fetal material.

    This is just one bit of information each voter should know. As long as it is legal, one can believe such abortionists are working to help people, or one can believe the clinics are morally wrong. The voter should know what each politician believes about issues like this so they will know who and what they are voting for. Otherwise, we are better off without their votes.

  69. some very interesting concepts

    SPOILER ALERT!!!!

    Regarding Interstellar, there were a couple of things I liked. They dabbled in politics in the first quarter of the film with an implication that society had so rejected science that science books were now being “corrected” to portray the lunar landings as a hoax designed to make the ussr bankrupt itself. I liked this because there is a small contingent now that believes we never landed on the moon. We always assume societies become more sophisticated. This film shows what happens when the know-nothings become the majority. There’s also a subtle suggestion that the severe weather on Earth is the result of climate change.

    I also liked how the film played with time. When the ship first goes through the wormhole, the female pilot reaches toward “someone” outside the ship and makes contact. We later learn this someone is Cooper who at the same time is sitting next to her.

    Similarly we see that Cooper’s daughter as a young girl is seeing a manifestation of Cooper himself from the future.

    The way time folds in on itself was fascinating and very much in the Christopher Nolan tradition: “Memento” and “Inception”.

  70. dangerous populism

    Odd phrase Rabbit. You oppose trade deals you don’t get to see. You oppose over intrusive government. The Tea Party (which you like) is a populist movement. Care to elaborate?

  71. A Newsweek article is titled Bernie Sanders on Immigration: Silly, Tribal and Economically Illiterate.”
    Do you disagree?

    I read the NW article and it highlights one of Sanders’ weaker stances. I dismiss arguments over unemployment rates. It’s a rigged figure no matter who cites a number.

    I’ve stated before I have mixed feelings about the minimum wage. Workers must be protected but 40 year olds have no business flipping burgers and expecting $30,000.00 per year for it.

    No candidate is perfect. I have said long before Bernie came on the scene that globalization combined with greed has compromised corporate ethics. I find it funny that most of you think corporations are people but you don’t expect the same patriotism from them that you expect from “people”.

    Sanders is right that a revolution is necessary. The oligarchy must be dismantled. With that said, some of his economic ideas are debatable.

    P.S. I’ve got the Vox interview on my to-do reading list.

  72. R, your deliberate ignorance of Citizens United and first amendment rights is just astounding. If that’s the lynchpin of the “patriotism” comment words cannot convey the deep sadness I feel.

  73. Rutherford – I thought over and over your comment that, paraphrasing, you won’t say that liberalism has hurt blacks, but you WILL say that it has not helped them.

    I want you to be honest here: are you REALLY saying that it has been a neutral factor, and neither helped nor hurt? Is it possible that during your lifetime, you have had so much hope tied up in the liberal way of doing business that, despite incontrovertible evidence, you just can’t bear to say that it has been a failure? Obviously, the rest of us here have no doubts, but I wonder if you honestly feel the way you say that you do or are just trying to “support the cause.”

    Can you expand on that comment?

  74. Tex which substitute teacher vid are you referring to? If it’s the one where the teacher is outraged at the normal pronunciation of normal first names, that was posted by me, not Tigre.

  75. I don’t get the “patriotism” bit that you’re referring to. Please elaborate.

    A patriotic corporation hires Americans to make American products and does everything in their power not to layoff said Americans. A patriotic corporation does not search the globe for the cheapest labor possible while millions of Americans are out of work.

    I bet we could cut unemployment down by 10 to 15% if we simply brought all the call center work back. And virtually all these workers could work from their homes, saving the companies cost on building infrastructure.

  76. Tigre I am well aware that citizens united has been conflated with other issues. I’m not per se against corporations being able to express a political belief. That as I understand it is what the CU case is about. It is of concern when the rich can pay for their opinion to drown out the opinion of others.

    I am concerned when elected officials are bought off by monied interests. I am concerned when constituents are ignored while corporations and lobbies call the shots on legislation.

  77. Parker, I hesitate to blame liberals for the plight of blacks for two reasons. First, I see zero outreach from the GOP to blacks. The GOP writes them off.

    Second, I’m not sure politics can solve the black problem anymore. Change must come from within and I’m not sure blacks are ready to embrace solutions.

    The evidence on the street shows that liberal city governments don’t have a handle on the problem. Rahm Emanuel should be ashamed of himself.

  78. Sorry, I posted K&P sub teacher first. You posted later ’cause you have false memories — when you do have them.

  79. Don’t “remember” that but at least we can agree the K&P vid was funny. And I encounter it on the job every damn day. The latest example was a dude named Kenvarious. WTF is that about?

  80. ” It is of concern when the rich can pay for their opinion to drown out the opinion of others.”

    We are connected like a WASP’s nest. Social media makes it possible to broadcast any personal propaganda one wants.

    Untalented morons get milions of views on YouTube alone.

    I don’t buy this buying elections stuff any more. I blame Americans.

  81. Patriotism now means corporate self-sacrafice and fucking shareholders and like Citizens United and stuff.

  82. Since I answered James let’s let him decide what more he wants from me on the topic. I know you need Cliff Notes so I’ll give you a hand:

    1) I don’t completely buy into Bernie’s min wage solution.
    2) All unemployment stats are cooked and should be ignored.
    3) We are rapidly becoming an oligarchy and it needs to stop.
    4) No candidate is perfect.

    James I know your reading comprehension is good so the preceding list was for Tigre, not you.

    Not that James asked you, Tigre, but let’s have your profound insight on Sanders.

  83. Patriotism now means corporate self-sacrafice and fucking shareholders

    We are never going to see eye to eye on this. You believe in unfettered capitalism where the bottom line is all that matters. Interestingly I guess I DO believe that corporations are people in that I believe they should have a social conscience.

  84. In the prior thread I made mention of NATO in the former Soviet states rattling Putins cage. The Raf is the current rotation for Baltic airspace security and had recently sent up some Typhoons to monitor various Russian air force assets.

  85. Ahhhhhh so buying foreign cars makes me a hypocrite? Didn’t Ford just move a plant to Mexico to save money? How does buying a Ford Focus strengthen my argument?

  86. And with that last comment Alfie you point out another Bernie Sanders weakness. I don’t think he knows what that last comment meant any better than I do.

  87. A recent study puts forth that the USA isn’t a democracy but an oligarchy.
    http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FPPS%2FPPS12_03%2FS1537592714001595a.pdf&code=24ec84fc4beed2b72cf84720c13bb8d5
    Anywho the thought of compulsory voting and Tex requiring a federal tax return is actually kind of the whole point.
    If we tax people like we should you’d see higher participation in the civics arena.For the EITC crowd well we should cut that and “tax” benefits. That’ll get peoples attention.
    However if you can slog through the linked paper you’ll find some points that will lead you to question whether the effort is worth it. 😦

  88. Understand ladies and gentlemen the true tragedy that Hillary is for me.

    She lived in the White House for eight years as a politically active First Lady. She served in the Senate for roughly eight years. She was our Secretary of State. If she had a record of accomplishment in those roles she’d be the perfect fucking candidate. Exposure to the executive, experience in the legislative, immersion in foreign policy. You can’t beat that resume. BUT …

    As Carly Fiorina so aptly reminds us, where are the accomplishments? The way she squandered SoS is particularly heart breaking. I’m not even referring to Benghazi. I’m talking about her touring the world on our dime as nothing more than a celebrity. What peace talks did she broker? What improvements in international relations did she commandeer?

    You can hate on Kerry all you want. The dude has been an active Secretary of State. In fact I submit if Benghazi happened on his watch HE would have done the Sunday shows and not Susan Rice.

    Alas we have the perfect candidate, except she isn’t … by a long shot.

  89. Yeah “R.” Tigre posted that Substitute Teacher one first. Didn’t matter when you posted it. I laughed the second time too. 😆 That one was a classic. That fruitcake “lefty” victim with cis-hetero normative crap was funny too that Tigre posted recently from Youtube.

    I’ve become infatuated with this cop from Landry, LA. I even watched his commencement speech – he’s actually pretty damn smart and clever, but much to overtly religious for your taste, R.

    I’ll be interested in a detailed answer from you to Parker’s question. Because the question is a wonderfully relevant one I’d last to ask to all blacks that have moderated their views lately, including you.

  90. Raf is RAF which is Royal Air Force
    Baltics are Estoinia,Lithuania and Latvia and for the purposes of NATO exercises/operations toss in Poland.
    Typhoons are an air superiority fighter which is actually a pretty kick ass plane.
    If you were just digging at Sanders lack of fp chops I apologize for the follow up as it comes off sincere but dorky. :))

  91. Thanks for the answer and the complement, Rutherford. I do think El Tigre has reading comprehension as good or better than any of us, but you played the snark well.

    I would also like his opinion of Sanders . Maybe we as a group could persuade you to think this through a little further.

    You don’t like Sanders’ minimum wage solution, but still could support him. Does this mean the possible effects of his wage policies are too far down the hierarchy to concern you? I agree it is hard to trust unemployment figures, but economic policies do influence job creation. Do you believe his solution is a distraction with little real economic effect or can you accept a sluggish job market if Sanders’ policies lead us to more of the same? Have you extrapolated several years of Sander’s policies, including a multiplier effect?

    You apparently agree that Sanders desire to destroy oligarchies is a good plan and that we need a revolution. I assume you mean a voter or some other non -violent type of uprising. If the oligarchies are destroyed, what will replace them? Other oligarchies?

    Is changing the system as described more important to you than your disagreement over wage policy? What evidence from past performance do you have that Sanders can deliver?

    I had skimmed the article Alfie posted. We all should read it. As a retired farmer with land, I am a small part of the oligarchy. Organized farmers, agribusiness companies, and related industries have a voice.

    “All in all, we believe that the public is a more formitable guardian of its interests than any feasible alternative.” Is it your opinion that Sanders will help the public better guard its interests than others running for office?

  92. Lots to cover James so it will take a few different comment entries.

    Let’s start with oligarchies. Yes I’m talking about a non-violent revolution. It seems to me that we want a candidate who wants to affirm that we are a democratic republic. Now it is a valid question whether such a system can purely exist among humans who naturally make power plays and where money buys power. I don’t know if a true democratic republic is possible. But it seems to me that’s what we should strive for. While I don’t like his style, Ted Cruz gets points for thinking he should represent the people and not special interests. Bernie’s making the same point.

  93. Regarding democratic socialism: I agree with Bernie that a properly functioning society provides for the basic needs of its citizens. This means shelter, food, and health care. You cannot have any of these without a job and most decent jobs require an education. Public education, job opportunities, and a health care system based on health, not profit are all parts of this ideal system.

  94. What evidence from past performance do you have that Sanders can deliver?

    Sanders says something that is both true and troubling. He says he can’t do it alone.

    Obama promised an ongoing online coalition and then did not deliver. He shut the people out of governing and it was business as usual.

    Sanders promises an ongoing partnership with the people. If he does what Obama did, then I’ve been fooled again.

  95. “Then why do you refer to “dangerous populism”. Are you equating it with mob rule?”

    There are millions of utter morons.

  96. I was watching an interview with Sal Khan, the man behind Khan Academy. He almost offhandedly offered an idea so beautiful in its simplicity that it’s amazing it isn’t happening.

    You get free higher education BUT along with that you get job placement and you pay the school 20% of your first year of income.

    You’re educated, you’re employed and you’re debt free. How can anyone argue with that?

  97. Rutherford – If I were you, I’d come about as close to voting for Hillary as I would Carly Fiorina. Ask any investor or CFP what she did to Hewlett Packard. She was given the gem of the tech world and took a crap right in the middle of it. She couldn’t run a popcorn stand.

  98. R – re: outreach. So, as I understand it, the problem is that the Republicans have not “reached out” to blacks and the Democrats have? I guess I don’t see what your argument is.

    I will admit that I think the Republicans have put far too much emphasis on taking care of the well-connected and well-heeled and too little on getting the unsustainable government load off the worker-bees of the middle class. Notice I didn’t say that they needed to “reach out” to them – as you said about black folks. They need to get the government economic load off the the middle class’ backs and let them breathe, and they will take care of themselves. And IMHO that’s what black folks need: an unfettered economy where they can find jobs, have families, and find some meaning in life. Nothing is as destructive to a society as an unemployed young man of ANY color. You seem to be saying that blacks don’t have the chops to make it on a level playing field.

    IMHO, for black folks the problem is too much “outreach.” While the Republicans are not “reaching out to them” in the way the Dems are, the Dems IMHO are doing far more damage with their “programs” than the Republicans are by ignoring them. It’s like reaching out to your neighbor’s kid by giving him heroin – he feels good right now, but the hangover – God the hangover! I used to think the Dems were just naïve, but now I believe they know exactly what they are doing – trying to buy votes, and to hell with the consequences.

    This government “outreach” has been tried over and over and over, in place after place. It robs a people of their souls, making them dependent, angry, incompetent to take care of themselves, and it makes the suppliers of the money for all of that “help” angry and resentful. The author was right: Stop Helping Us!

  99. I don’t have much time. Rutherford, Thanks for the effort.

    I think you wrote that middle aged people working for $5.00 at McDonalds is contrary to good economics. They aren’t working there for fun. The older workers are at McDonalds because they need the work,.Insodoing, they crowd teenagers from the job market. You know our current policies have sent more people from the job market than have been gone for years. Therefore more teenagers, especially blacks are out to work,.

    Sanders wants to implement a national $5.00 minimum wage which will continue to deny entry jobs to teenagers. A so called national living wage will be little incentive for employment stressed people to move on. Moreover living and wage standards are different across the country and will disrupt local economies. As we know, businesses are already cutting corners by hiring more part timers and fast food restaurants are experimenting with automation.

    So, why does your comment conflict with Sanders’ wage policies and you will still work for him? Do you not understand the serious disruption to local economies, or do you think other features of Sander’s policies are more important and we need to sacrifice jobs to achieve them?

    Bernie and Ted do talk about representing the people and as you wrote. Sanders said he cannot do it alone. He will fail because at least half of the country will not accept his socialistic ideology, and the so called ologarchy will not permit the loss of its power. Cruz will also fail for the same reasons. Half of the country cannot stand his Tea Party conservatism.

    Have you considered forsaking eutopian impulses for the next election and voting for the least bad candidate if none are good? If you hitch your wagon to a weak horse like Sanders, or maybe Cruz with high expectations, you will once again be fooled and be nursing another heart ache.

  100. Could it be that progressive policies intended to reduce income inequality actually cause it to increase? Quite likely, yes. The reason has to do with the effect of these policies on the low end of the income distribution. The government doesn’t count the distribution of in-kind benefits as income—and means-tested handouts create incentives for recipients to keep their measured incomes low. Further, where higher minimum wages—another progressive agenda item—cause higher unemployment, we see even more zero-income earners. Having lots of low-earners or zero-earners doesn’t help reduce inequality. Meanwhile, at the high end of the income distribution, taking money from high earners through higher marginal tax rates is not counted in official statistics as a cut in income—which means that income inequality again doesn’t shrink.

    That’s the money shot from here.
    It is an interesting point that a healthy chunk of the lower end of income disparity /inequality spectrum actually have quite a bit of income that doesn’t get counted. It also seems relevant that where progressive policies exist they don’t help the inequality.
    The article tries to make a point using Puerto Rico,I find this a stretch. The point the article loathes to address is that in truly prosperous areas neither conservative or progressive policy positively or negatively impacts the larger economy. Success rolls no matter what and success creates winners and losers.

  101. @ Rutherford serious question connected to some of your expressed thoughts here.
    People have really bought into the whole “you need a college education” lie. In fact I think you can make the case that we’re ratcheting it up with this nonsense about tuition free education and the chatter on debt elimination.
    The majority of the jobs in our economy don’t need a college education. Many jobs that require a college education and all of those that favor college education don’t need</strong that requirement. As such the employees now and in the future don’t need the debt and lost years effect of pursuing an unnecessary and often unworthy sheet of paper.
    Also…
    McDonalds is coming out with and many supermarkets have kiosks that will replace the soon to be $15/hr human. I would stress that by no means does the kiosk repairman need a college education but can look forward to a good job at a good wage.
    In this last bit I think I illustrate a good shot across Bernie’s and deBlasio’s bow as well.

  102. People can reject social conservatism all they want. Morals, parental raising of children, even law in many respects has become a matter of “opinion.” I’ll let the results speak for themselves when people take a good measure.

    But fiscal conservative policies have ruled the day for the better part of at least 60 years now when any measure of success has been observed – even during the tenure of Bill Clinton. The most business friendly environments are the ones that fared best during the recession, even with many of the blue states having all kinds of pent up advantages in location, history and logistics. And the bitter pill for guys like Rutherford, basically flack for Democratic causes without an underlying knowledge or interest, is “trickle down” economics is premised on fiscally conservative principles in the belief private enterprise does it better than nanny government.

    The truth is, there has been little or no economic recovery at all since Obama took over as President. If it weren’t for cheap fuel offsetting the large inflationary aspects of groceries, the misery index would be at the howl level. Obama’s policies have actually worked against cheap fuel – this is pure serendipity for Obama. He may be too stupid to realize it, but many of us aren’t. Most of these jobs “created” are low wage and part-time – filling in the gaps.

    You know how you know this?

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/2417-days-and-counting_1001984.html

    Even with a complicit media lying for Obama, a complicit Fed covering for Obama, the institutional investment crooks on Wall Street propping up the narrow band to make it look like a rising boat, you can’t hide the underlying rot forever. That’s what is happening in Ferguson, Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland first.

    Poor people are getting poorer because prices (real inflation) are going up on basic staples and real family household wages are falling. Millions have given up and moved in with parents or in many cases their children. See it all the time.

    And instead of focusing on growth which Obama has no idea how to create, we focus on redistribution of wealth like Bernie Sanders. That has never worked and won’t work.

  103. James, I don’t much attention to Bernie Sanders because he can’t win. He is the Ron Paul of the left. His supporters are almost universally angry white economically advantaged/Privileged whites. Minorities have no interest in him. He’s like Dean. Rutherford will be viting for HRC, guaranteed.

    So, single payer, global warming, income inequality and artificial minimum wage increases. What a gem. Bombast. Is he the lefty version of Trump?

  104. Obama set the stage for campaigning against things previously said, even in the face of the few who were actually paying attention.
    Trump is actually playing to the base, instead of ignoring or marginalizing it, which is a fairly new development for a candidate who has identified themself as a Republican.
    He isn’t relying on anyone else’s money, so there isn’t anyone to pull on the reins when he goes honey badger and says something impolitic or politicially incorrect.

    The last is what really terrifies the GOP establishment, because what comes out of his mouth is anything by poll-tested and consultant-distilled. It carries a genuineness that they cannot compete with, even if anyone who is aware of his previous positions would be asking follow up questions such as “And when and why did you change your position on this, Mr. Trump?”

    I think he’s a charlatan, but no more than 80% of all other office seekers, and I have to confess that I enjoy the fact that everytime he says something, he casts almost all of the rest of the field in the pale pastels of “Dem-Lite” rather than the bold colors that conservatives want to vote for, which I think should only help the more conservative candidates the longer it goes on, IF they can get enough money to stay in the race that long. But if that can’t happen, I’ll probably still enjoy how he continues to defy the consultants’ predictions about his demise, because they are the ones I hold responsible for the GOP’s culture of failure and the adoption of the “beautiful loser” self-delusion.

  105. I agree Sanders doesn’t have more than a chance than Trump. They are the Palin and Obama of the earlier races, but what if they did run against each other? However, my questions and Rutherford’s answers compared to earlier comments leave him with a sticky wicket.

    I want him to reveal to himself the contradiction between some of his stated beliefs and the socialist ideology Sanders represents.

    He accepts the possibility that yet another liberal will scam him.

    BIC, I agree Trump is a fraud, but if he is running against someone like Hillary or Bernie, I will vote for Trump as many times as a Democrat will vote for a Clinton.

  106. , I’d come about as close to voting for Hillary as I would Carly Fiorina.

    Oh please don’t misunderstand. I’d sooner smack myself in the eye with the claw end of a hammer than vote for Carly. Her two most recent ventures (HP and Senate run) were flops.

    I do believe the HP firing was more complex than simple incompetence and I actually think she does a decent job of defending her time there.

    All that said, no matter what a boob she is, it doesn’t disqualify her from identifying another boob. She’s got HRC nailed to the wall.

  107. I think Tex is right on the money about low fuel costs’ obscuring the real misery that is this American administration. One thing that is NEVER mentioned is the deflationary bias of consumer electronics. They get cheaper and cheaper and do more and more. The prices go DOWN in the face of serious inflation. And there IS inflation – serious inflation. The US gov’t, upon recommendation of Alan Greenspan, has changed the way it calculates inflation, and ignores the things that inflate the most. It’s been calculated that if the current gov’t calculated inflation honestly – the way it was done under, say Carter, the rate would be 9-10% per year. If fuel costs and consumer electronics were taken out of the calculations, who knows what the inflation rate would be? And you know inflation was one of the things that put Carter under.

    People are wising up. The Internet terrifies the US gov’t, largely because it is a place where there is really free exchange of information, and – at least right now – there is nothing they can do about it. All this direct contradiction of the propaganda makes the latter-day American Goebbels in this administration shite their pants.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

  108. James thanks for the response. First I assume your several references to $5.00/hour, you meant to say $15.00/hour which is Bernie’s suggested min wage.

    I think you and I agree that low pay McDonalds jobs are meant for “kids”, not 40 year olds supporting a family of four. So paying McDonalds employees 15.00 an hour is the wrong treatment for the disease. To his credit, Sanders wants to create better jobs than flipping burgers. But enmeshed in this is a deep philosophical question which I will devote an entire essay to, perhaps later today.

    However I am concerned with your apparent rejection of both Sanders and Cruz. Regardless of ideology, the next President must be bold. He must be transformational in ways Obama could only dream of. Our country needs a reset. We need an FDR. I don’t mean ideologically. I mean in terms of boldness.

    Honestly, if a Republican moves into the White House I want to see the tax code thrown out. I want to see all welfare replaced by workfare. I want to see CHANGE.

  109. The point the article loathes to address is that in truly prosperous areas neither conservative or progressive policy positively or negatively impacts the larger economy. Success rolls no matter what and success creates winners and losers.

    That I believe is the real money shot Alfie.

  110. Most of these jobs “created” are low wage and part-time – filling in the gaps.

    And I believe that includes Texas which does a lot of job creation bragging.

  111. Rutherford will be viting for HRC, guaranteed.

    You’re such an ass. That was thrown in just to piss me off. Didn’t even fit with the rest of the comment.

    But it didn’t distract me from the rest of the silliness in the comment. So you ignore Sanders because he can’t win. So if we follow common wisdom you’re only paying attention to Bush and Clinton? How intellectually easy for you.

  112. As a complete aside, I always laugh when I mistype a word so badly that the iPhone tells me “No replacement found”. It’s the phones polite way of saying “I don’t know wtf you’re talking about.”

  113. I couldn’t get through the full Blaze article for fear of vomiting on my cell phone.

    Yeah Price made a “mistake” because he’s surrounded by greedy selfish pricks. That’s news.

    Pffffft. 😏

  114. Trump is actually playing to the base, instead of ignoring or marginalizing it, which is a fairly new development for a candidate who has identified themself as a Republican.
    He isn’t relying on anyone else’s money, …

    I haven’t visited your blog in a while BiC but if this isn’t a post on your blog, it should be. It is a rare thing but I 100% agree with you.

  115. Let me expand. I’m on the record here for saying the media created Trump. That deserves an amendment. The media has without doubt fueled the Trump phenom but that does not contradict the visceral thrill Trump gives every honest viewer. I have personally hated the man for his public treatment of Obama. I stopped watching his show (which was one of my favorites). But I cannot deny the joy in seeing him say “candidate X came to me for money last year”. He is taking the politics game, largely based on money, and throwing it in their faces.

    Americans are ripe for this. We are tired of being pawns in the games of the rich and powerful.

  116. BiC as to your last comment, every vote is a bet, a wager. No one can accuse me of being interested in Sanders because of his Hollywood tested looks and personality.

  117. I’m sure another knock on Sanders from this crowd is that he wants a two state solution. He acknowledges Israel’s right to exist but he also believes the Palestinians deserve a safe country to live in.

  118. People have really bought into the whole “you need a college education” lie.

    Alfie, I would no longer say “college” but I would say education. Precious few decent paying jobs don’t need some sort of training.

    As I mentioned earlier in the thread I’m enthralled with the idea of merging training with placement with some part of that first job salary going towards the training already received.

    I know there are businesses claiming they can’t find trained folks. Merge training and job placement and that weak excuse disappears.

  119. Rutherford, I have been up since 2:30AM taping and reporting a thunderstorm, and I am tired.
    Yes, I should have written $15.00 but I was too lazy to correct my mistake.

    I have no doubt Cruz and Sanders want to change the operation of our economic and political system, but without a national movement which overwhelms the political environment, I don’t know how they can effect meaningful change.

    Its possible they could harness Trump’s fan movement or inspire a Tea Party type of groundswell, but I think if in the alternative universe they become viable candidates, little but verbage or window dressing would change.

    Promises without basis are worthless. One should not vote based on unrealistic expectations as voters who chose Obama did.

    You may have more insights than I. Please enlighten me. As laudable as change might be, I don’t see much coming from these two men or any others. At best some of them might put the brakes on the devolution fostered by our current leaders. They need an enthusiastic mass movement.

    Do you remember the business owner who cut his salary and gave everyone at least $70.000 salary? The process is not all in effect, but already the entrapaneur and his company have fallen on hard times. His brother who owns part of the company is suing because he is also losing money.

    This is only anecdotal, but the business practices represent more of Sander’s and Obama’s ideology than Crux’s.

  120. I couldn’t get through the full Blaze article for fear of vomiting on my cell phone.

    That’s a common malady you when your frequent false narratives blow up and you self-identify as rube, once again being proven as useful idiot. The bile of being wrong over and over is too much for your weak constitution. 😈

  121. Tex I honestly don’t know how you don’t see the virtue in the dude cutting his own salary to make sure his subordinates got paid more.

    And then his brother sues him. No good deed goes unpunished.

  122. Rutherford, quit being a sap, goofus. That was a stupid idea from the start. Consider this:

    Employee X: Senior Programmer $79K a year (10 years experience)
    Employee Y: Jr. Programmer $48K a year (6 months experience)

    Now, how would you feel if some six month employee within a 2 year time frame was making about 85% of what you were making with 12 years experience?

    This is what unions do, Rutherford. Tell you a story I learned as a young man. McDonnell Douglas’s Teamster’s Union went on strike. Six months out of college, I’m moved to the floor to begin to help put engines on DC8s. Don’t worry, I had quality engineer working with me. Basically, I turned torque wrenches and on slow days, bucked rivets. Here’s what else I learned. I learned that the dude sweeping the floor was making about $13.75 an hour. The senior mechanic was making about $18.00 an hour.

    One guy is responsible to make sure the floor is clean, the other to make sure the wings stay on the plane and the engine doesn’t fall off.

    You’re going to tell me guy sweeping the floor is worth 76% of the guy making sure the plane stays in the air? You take away the incentive Rutherford to excel. It’s an absolute complete misunderstanding of human nature.

    That’s just for starters the limitations of what you’re trying to implement.

  123. Regarding NYT front page story on possible Biden run: I hope he doesn’t. Unlike you folks I like the man. I think he’s a decent guy with flaws unlike Bill Clinton who is an indecent guy with flaws.

    I think beating HRC will be an uphill climb and beating the GOP contender will be next to impossible. I want the guy to go out on the high of VP of USA, not election loser. 😟

  124. Yes, Rutherford. Sanders will drop out and you will be voting HRC. I truly belive that. Your identity is tied to the dems, identity politics, and anti conservatives no matter what. I feel nothing about your dislike of my assessment.

    Let me know when you pay attention to Jim Gilmore and tell us all about his policies before claiming enlightenment. Sanders is for laughs.

  125. Employee X: Senior Programmer $79K a year (10 years experience)
    Employee Y: Jr. Programmer $48K a year (6 months experience)

    That’s not unusual. At IBM I saw guys start at 50-75% of my 20 year salary.

    It’s dinner time. I’ll address the rest of your comment later.

  126. Is that Blaze story real? I have a problem with the money handlers and credit card processing companies being considered necessary or ‘for real’ businesses. But hey, what does my opinion matter? They make a killing decent living in spite of what I think. According to certain social engineers, I AM the new media, so I say the story is hype and totally enacted for its political point. Doesn’t matter whether it was or not, that is its current value.

    Socialism = BAD

    It’s a broad brush, but let’s look at what we have that is socialism and works or does not work. We have A LOT of socialistic programs, local and national. Those that paint over the good would prefer private enterprise (capitalism) over socialism. So lets also examine the private capitalist services and see if there’s been improvement or decline over the past 50 years or so.

    Let’s use liberty, comfort, and happiness as scale. Or maybe ownership. Yeah. Let’s bake that American pie and dole out each of our respective shares, metaphysically speaking. Is there enough dough left in her to even form the crust? I probably wouldn’t be able to stomach the ingredient list.

    Ideally, the non profit coops could provide better economy and care than the for profit private industry. The for profit may excel in professional expertise, but its loyalties are to its owners first over community.

  127. But since socialism promises everything to everybody, it buys votes from the uninformed masses.

    I just wish Sanders would reach out to the asian, eastern european, middle eastern, hispanic, native American. . . blah, blah, blah buy votes. . . communities.

  128. Rutherford’s “surrounded by greedy selfish pricks” comment is the most deliciously ironic on the whole interwebs.

  129. I hate to condone vandalism and shouldn’t admit this, but seeing “Hitchbot” in a defiled and destroyed heap cracked me up, big time.

    Of course it would be Philly.

  130. I can imagine how fucking funny it was when “that guy” destroyed Hitchbot as his drunk coherts yelled to stop (while simulateounsly laughing their asses off, hence egging the asshole on).

  131. Let me know when you pay attention to Jim Gilmore and tell us all about his policies before claiming enlightenment.

    You lost me on that one. You just comparing one long shot to another?

  132. When did you change your view on min wage? It wasn’t more than a few months ago paying a few pennies more for a burger so the workers live a dignified lifestyle was your take on it.

  133. What is unfettered capitalism?

    How about I describe an example of fettered capitalism and see if you approve.

    I give tax incentives to your company if you don’t outsource overseas.

  134. It wasn’t the source (the Blaze) that bothered me. It was the content.

    BTW the NYT is slowly but surely becoming a rag. Their piece on Clinton last week was full of holes and their piece today on Biden is pure conjecture bordering on gossip.

  135. On min wage, I have a battle going on in my head but it is common sense that you don’t inflate the salary of one job because you (the government) is a fucking failure at creating better jobs.

  136. But as I said, there’s an essay brewing on the min wage issue. I didn’t have time today to write it.

    Tigre: “That’s code for MSNBC didn’t tell him what to say yet.”

    I thought I’d save you the trouble of typing the comment.

  137. Ok let’s try again from a different angle.

    Unfettered capitalism is letting the market decide everything. No regulations. Whatever practices the market will bear are a-ok.

  138. I’ll look for it on MSNBC first.

    It’s attempt to manufacture interest in Huntsman was a goid one too.

  139. No. If that’s your definition, then no. That would mean antitrust and no child labor laws. Safety regulation? You really think that’s where I’m coming from? Cut the shit.

  140. I don’t know shit about Gilmore. I guess I’m cutting corners there too, right?

    Hey I have zero problem with your saying “I’m not interested in candidate X and don’t care to learn more about him”. That’s your prerogative. But when you say you don’t care cos candidate X doesn’t stand a chance, that bothers me. It’s a cynicism about the process that bugs the shit out of me.

    It’s one reason I want Bernie to kick Hill’s ass.

    In the fifth grade, when I attended a handicapped unit in an otherwise “normal” school, I ran for student government president (of the entire school). My opponent’s friends openly laughed at me. I won the election (the first and last I would win).

    I hate seeing people summarily dismissed and yes you’ll find examples of my doing it in past threads. I’m bending over. Feel free to kick my ass.

  141. Selective incentives are not necessarily good for competition.

    Neither is paying a decent wage or keeping Americans employed.

    My beef with you is given the choice of rooting for the man or the company, you root for the company. The imperative is that they win the competition, social conscience be damned.

  142. The government can create a job friendly environment.

    But only for a few. And that is a plutocracy, my friend. And that is what the government of Barack Obama has created. What you call the 1 percenters, I call the plutocrats. It is real and it is here.

    And that Rutherford will not solve the problems you wish to alleviate and will in fact only make things worse for the masses which is exactly the environment Obama has exacerbated – the record is clear that the gap between the very rich and the millions of working poor has significantly increased during Barack Obama’s tenure – more so than at any time in American history. There may even be a measure of growth – but its allocation is very centralized. Saudi Arabia could make the same claim.

    As to Sanders, I believe he is of different motivation. Sanders truly is a Socialist, under the belief of making things equal. Sanders finds virtue in equality. It even sounds virtuous. But that too leads to the same basic failed results that Barack Obama’s utopia has. Marx sounded good, but in practice it was proven an evil failure.

    The very rich will remain very rich. The very poor may lessen, but so will the achievement and the net effect is America would experience Recession with no means to get out of it. What Sanders’ philosophy works against is the creation of real wealth. So in essence, in a macro effect, the nation will collectively become poorer. It’s a ruse that Greece, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Spain, France, Portugal, Argentina, Russia and numerous others adopted and are experiencing as we speak.

    I am really surprised a guy like you struggles with something that is actually pretty simple to understand. Whatever failure “trickle down” created were not the fault of the concept. It created more net worth than any time in American history. The problem was not with the concept but the dishonesty and greed that have accompanied the last 15 years. During Reagan’s, 1st Bush, and Clinton, all under the philosophy of supply-side economics, poverty was being reduced.

  143. Getting late. Hopefully You’ll have time to construct your strawman with something better than “do you believe in unfettered capitalism” before I respond.

  144. MSNBC probably exposed me to him but I judged him on his own merits as I perceived them.

    WTF are you doing up at 2 in the morning? You taking the week off? I’m going to bed.

  145. I told you I planned to trap Rutherford with my question. No hostility was intended. I would have done the same to my wife or children with such an opening.

    So far, Rutherford you have not told us why you are willing to sacrifice good lives and jobs for many of our people for the changes Sanders advocates. Removing the oligarchy seems to be very important to you, but your own words reveal a similarity to another tilter of windmills.

  146. The guy that likes Weiner, Olberman, Obama, likes Huntsman’s civility. Hardeeharhar.

    You were going on and on about his so-called bona fides as delivered by MSNBC.

    Nobody gave a fuck about Huntsman but MSNBC and through grand coincidence, you.

    Maybe you’ll become a Biden supporter. If he gets in, that’ll be MSNBC’s boy ’cause that’s Obama’s boy and the little minds at MSNBC gotta keep playin’ for their black jesus. It’s all they know.

    More Hope & Change!

  147. I doubt Tigre woke up that late.

    “Unlike you folks I like the man. I think he’s a decent guy with flaws unlike Bill Clinton who is an indecent guy with flaws.”

    You are forgiving Biden a lot here. Decent is not the word for him. Untrustworthy is a word for him. Leaky is another. He requires that you don’t think the truth is that important.

    He didn’t just plagiarize – which by the way indicates a serious deficiency of honor. When he’s busted, he heaps more lies on and chuckles, heh heh I don’t know I don’t remember I don’t recall heh heh.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html

    PS…spare me the “all politicians lie” cop out too. Name the lie and then make the charge. Not like saying Cruz is crazy and having nothing to back up the smear.

  148. FWIW Rutherford I think your thinking has undergone changes (in a good way) more so than anyone else here save for pool.

  149. Wait that didn’t come out quite how I intended.

    Rutherford I think your thinking has undergone changes (yours in a good way) more so than anyone else here save for pool.

  150. I agree with muffy. You, not your inner id, but your outlook has changed. I believe it is placing you in conflict with parts of your self and condradictory views struggle for dominance.

    The thought links me to Gary, a television meteorologist I knew. He was born in New York and he was so bright, he disturbed his parents. The school moved him ahead so far he was almost like Doogy Houser, but he didn’t know how to relate with older students. They bullied him.

    Finally, his parents didn’t want him around, so they shipped him to his grand parents in Georgia. Gary suffered more heart break, and he tried to recreate himself into someone people would like.

    He became a television meteorologist and attracted a following. Gary is one of the few meteorologists cited by a state legislature. In this case Oklahoma proclaimed him a hero for saving lives during a tornado outbreak. He was also a storm chaser, and his videos are probably still on Youtube.

    Gary moved to Sioux City as a born again Christian and a kind man. He died of a heart attack as he prepared the afternoon forecast.

    Then, it unraveled. Gary was not who people had thought he was. Even his name was in doubt. He had nearly wrecked his career with drugs until his rebirth as a Christian. Even his family did not the real Gary.

    He asked that this song be played at his funeral. He had come clean about his inner torment.

    I don’t equate you with Gary, Rutherford, but I think you must wince at times when you see allegedly kindred souls spout ideas you know are wrong.

  151. Din somewhat a defense for Rutherford I’d say his views and likes require an “all in” that neither America or any of the candidates are capable of mustering. I’d also say that Rutherfords experiences of the educational and geographical lends to his having a view Tex and James could never accept.

  152. Thank you Muffy. As for Biden when I called him “flawed” I was thinking of the plagiarism scandal. I honestly don’t see why that should trail him his whole life. Do you have other examples of ethical failure on his part?

    There were rumors that even while HRC was a senator, Bill was fooling around. I don’t think there’s any valid moral comparison between the Biden’s and the Clinton’s and the rumor mill says Beau Biden felt the same way, having told his father another Clinton should not be in the White House.

    I think Biden would get whipped by a Republican but I still think he’s basically a good guy. Presidential material? No.

  153. Fair enough, Alfie.
    I hope so too, Rutherford, but some of us can’t forsake people who’s ideologies are emotionally attached to ours.

    They overlook and rationalize as some pro choice advocates are doing with Planned Parenthood. I rationalize as everyone does, but not if the points are blatant.

    Our long lost grand son called because he needed bail money. My wife hung up on him. I would have had a little more fun.

  154. Our long lost grand son called because he needed bail money. My wife hung up on him. I would have had a little more fun.

    DAMN, that’s stone cold. Tough love baby!!!

  155. Our long lost grand son called because he needed bail money. My wife hung up on him. I would have had a little more fun.

    Ha! I didn’t know you had other grandchildren. Sounds like you’re not proud of that one. He made a poor choice with his one phone call. 🙂

  156. Our long lost grand son called because he needed bail money. My wife hung up on him. I would have had a little more fun.

    LOL James, I shared that with my wife and she told me there’s a bail money scam going on. Is that what happened?

    I first thought your wife was actually hanging up on your grandkid. Is your granddaughter your only grandchild?

  157. Muffy, so long as someone on the internet is wrong, like a Pinkerton, El Tigre does not sleep!

    Come around more.

  158. Looks like even the moronic dems are wondering how Obama and Kerry cut a deal with Iran so bad it looks like surrender.

    R, I asked you some time back what we got out of the bullshut deal with Iran. Remind me what your answer was ’cause I know always offer insight when asked.

    Real question.

  159. so long as someone on the internet is wrong, like a Pinkerton, El Tigre does not sleep!

    That reminds me of a favorite cartoon where the wife (outside the frame) says “come to bed” and the husband sitting at his computer yells back “in a minute dear, someone on the Internet is wrong”.

  160. I understand Kerry’s efforts to sell/defend the deal on the serial teevee lineups was a disaster and all Obama hss done is mock and tough talk opposition while Iran dances and chants.

  161. Despite Netanyahu’s implication the odds of an Iranian nuclear attack on the U.S. Of A was highly unlikely so strictly speaking, there was never anything immediate in it for us.

    We’re trying to save Israel’s ass and prevent an arms race in the region. The deal, as described, does that, for the time being.

    Here are two major caveats. First this so called “side deal” where we are not privy to what is going on between the IAEA and Iran. I don’t like that. Second a couple of days ago, I heard someone (I don’t recall who) say that there are monied interests aside from the Iranian government who benefit from assets being unfrozen. If financial pressure from billionaires played into this, then we are screwed and the plutocracy wins again.

  162. “We’re trying to save Israel’s ass and prevent an arms race in the region. The deal, as described, does that, for the time being.”

    How so?

  163. Rabbit
    1) Nuclear products can only be enriched below the threshold of lethal weapon for 10 years.
    2) Inspections anywhere anytime with 24 days notice. Nuke expert with the Ben Franklin hair-do says traces of nuclear material cannot be concealed within 24 days.
    3) Sanctions lifted gradually as Iran shows good faith.

    I’m tossing this out based on memory.

    Bottom line, the nuclear threat is at least delayed.

  164. I haven’t visited your blog in a while BiC but if this isn’t a post on your blog, it should be. It is a rare thing but I 100% agree with you.

    I’m writing more reviews than political commentary these days, but when it comes to Trump, I’m having more fun challenging people I know on FB who are beside themselves over Trump in ways that have them sounding more like Karl Rove than conservatives….kind of like this one posted on a Trump-bashing thread by a friend who can’t find enough bad to say about him.

    The part I find most annoying is the out and out distain for Trump, who doesn’t hold office, and isn’t likely to, regardless of his current activities, and yet we have people like Miss Lindsey, who really are dispicable and manage to characterize everything that is wrong with the political class in general, and the careerists in the party, and yet not even half the spleen is vented on the likes of them, when they manage to be a parasitic cancer on the system whose integrity everyone is so concerned with when they are talking about Trump.

  165. Bottom line, the nuclear threat is at least delayed.

    Until the mullahs can act upon their murdeous impulses.

    That delay will become a tetch more permanent when the Israelis do what they have to…with the blessing of the Saudis and other arab neighbors.

  166. Yes, Rutherford, it was a bail money scam. We only have one grand child.

    I would have enjoyed stringing the confidence man along with a weird story. I kept one on the line for a half hour once.

    He said we had just won a prize and it was almost at our house. We had to pay the carrying charge. Too bad for him, his knowledge of geography was sketchy.

  167. “Things You Cannot UN-see (and what they say about your brain)” Alex C. Madrigal.

    If something is contrary to your political or other perceptions and it seems accurate, you see two images in one. One cannot unsee the new information, and it becomes super imposed over the original information. Sometimes, the second image becomes primary and the first is no longer visible., Someone points out something and suddenly the secondary interpretation appears A flash of insight reveals a new pattern hiding within the world we thought we knew. “It surprises us That’s a duck. No-its a rabbit.”

    A teacher who changed from liberal to conservative said “once I started to see, I could not go back., I could not un see.”

  168. “If we alter our process and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, then we can make it part of the budget that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different

    shipments is this I mean its all just a matter of line items.”

    This is from PP video number five.

    “I could not un see.” This is turning me to pro life.

  169. Gawker released one of Donald Trump’s cell phone numbers, and Trump recorded a campaign speech answer played to anyone who calls.

    This is war, not much different than infiltration of Palestinian protest movements.

  170. James, I get new revelations almost every day. Sometimes it turns my worldview upside down. The saying, ‘if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck,’ needs to include ‘unless it’s a rabbit.’ 😀 Americans are stubborn and unsee all the time. What they need to see is the full on media effort to convince us that rabbit is a duck.

  171. Hate to break your heart Rutherford but your two caveats are exactly as you see them.
    First the “side deal” that is being prattled about isn’t so much a side deal as a different level of the total deal which the USA is ONLY A PARTY TO.
    As for monied interests playing a role…. Ummm yeah there is global money driving the overall deal. Its one of the reasons the deal on the table no matter what you think it is worth is really the best anyone was going to get.
    Sanctions failed,tougher sanctions were never going to be put in place since at least three of the P5+1 players have big money at play and an additional player,China,is done with sanctions on Iran.

  172. “Do you have other examples of ethical failure on his part?”

    Yeah. I linked to some in the NYT article – which evidently you didn’t read. Same link as three years ago. Tigre put up a link to Joe’s bullshit too, not that long ago.

    Ahem.

    Three years ago, while on a Sarah Palin rant some 4 years after she was VP candidate, Rutherford says,

    “At least old Joe managed to do it at one college, not five.

    I find him to be a pretty humble guy. Find a quote where he bragged about his college record. You can’t can ya? 😉 ”

    -Rutherford , August 1, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/some-measure-of-justice/#comment-70969

    To which Rutherford received the following response:

    “Biden’s story –
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b5_1219507341

    The truth –

    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/22/us/biden-admits-errors-and-criticizes-latest-report.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

    Joe Biden is a cheat, a liar, and an all around phony bastard. Other than that, nice guy.”

    -muffy , August 1, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/some-measure-of-justice/#comment-70974

    Now, I reckon that didn’t quite satisfy me so I continued –

    “Excerpts from the NYT article (linked @ #810) on Joe’s lies.

    Bragging, Lies, and Video Tape:

    “The tape, which was made available by C-SPAN in response to a reporter’s request, showed a testy exchange in response to a question about his law school record from a man identified only as ”Frank.” Mr. Biden looked at his questioner and said: ”I think I have a much higher I.Q. than you do.”

    He then went on to say that he ”went to law school on a full academic scholarship – the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship,” Mr. Biden said. He also said that he ”ended up in the top half” of his class and won a prize in an international moot court competition. In college, Mr. Biden said in the appearance, he was ”the outstanding student in the political science department” and ”graduated with three degrees from college.”

    In his statement today, Mr. Biden, who attended the Syracuse College of Law and graduated 76th in a class of 85, acknowledged: ”I did not graduate in the top half of my class at law school and my recollection of this was inaccurate.”

    As for receiving three degrees, Mr. Biden said: ”I graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major in history and political science. My reference to degrees at the Claremont event was intended to refer to these majors – I said ‘three’ and should have said ‘two.’ ” Mr. Biden received a single B.A. in history and political science.

    ”With regard to my being the outstanding student in the political science department,” the statement went on. ”My name was put up for that award by David Ingersoll, who is still at the University of Delaware.”

    In the Sunday interview, Mr. Biden said of his claim that he went to school on full academic scholarship: ”My recollection is – and I’d have to confirm this – but I don’t recall paying any money to go to law school.” Newsweek said Mr. Biden had gone to Syracuse ”on half scholarship based on financial need.”

    In his statement today, Mr. Biden did not directly dispute this, but said he received a scholarship from the Syracuse University College of Law ”based in part on academics” as well as a grant from the Higher Education Scholarship Fund of the state of Delaware. He said the law school ”arranged for my first year’s room and board by placing me as an assitant resident adviser in the undergraduate school.”

    Mr. Biden acknowledged that in the testy exchange in New Hampshire, he had lost his temper. ”I exaggerate when I’m angry,” Mr. Biden said, ”but I’ve never gone around telling people things that aren’t true about me.” Mr. Biden’s questioner had made the query in a mild tone, but provoked an explosive response from Mr. Biden.”

    muffy , August 1, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/some-measure-of-justice/#comment-70974

    Now, I don’t know about you guys but this is not acceptable discourse from a grown man with even a modicum of integrity.

    Joe’s a liar. It’s his process.

  173. Such a good Joe.

    Lied about receiving full academic scholarship.
    Lied about being the only one in his college to get one (academic scholarship.)
    Lied about “ending up at the top of his class.” (He was 76th out 85)
    Lied about receiving 3 degrees. He received 1.

    Now does anyone really think those were Joe’s only lies? That’s just in response to his college record, which he was being asked about.

    He’s a snake.

  174. Plagiarizing a paper in college once I could forgive.

    Lying about his resume like that is fucked up and weird.

    To think he is Vice President and the subject of a conversation about if he runs for president or not should be shocking.

    But, then I look at Hillary and wonder why she isn’t serving time in a federal prison.

    Weeeeeeeeeeeee! Democrats! The cream sure rises to the top.

  175. Obama is a coward and snake. Like Poolman, he hates Israel and knows that under no circumstances can Israel allow Iran to get a bomb. No way Obama and the equally craven and stupid Kerry were going to take a stand. They know the how ignorant the people supporting them are, just like Gruber knew.

    The useful idiots will let Israel do the dirty work and count on the Poolman types carrying their water when it happens. Been this way for the better part of 40 years.

    This one wasn’t hard to figure out, as the entire a agreement a sham.

    I still remember a Jr. Senator and snake from Delaware lying about Robert Bork about 27 years ago. Everything this schmuck receives is in due penalty. Biden is half the scumbag Obama is and twice as jovial stupid.

  176. I think one of the reasons public school was so much better years ago than now, is that the teachers were more effective in their methods. Want to learn some simple physics about how your transmission in your car works? This is about as understandable as it gets. And it’s almost 80 years old. 🙂

  177. Gawker released one of Donald Trump’s cell phone numbers, and Trump recorded a campaign speech answer played to anyone who calls.

    lolololol 😂😂😂

    This is why Trump is smarter than Lindsey Graham.

  178. Muffy I think you may have gone into moderation because of all the links. I just approved the comment.

    Ok you got me (again). Looks like Joe’s relationship with the truth is strained.

  179. LOL 😂😂😂Debbie who sounds like a female Elmer Fudd, has a bad habit of giving lousy interviews. She’s evasive but not good at being evasive.

    This was NOT a hard question to answer. I don’t know why Debbie WS bumbled through it.

    But I’ll tell you this: there is a difference between Debbie and Reince Priebus. Priebus, as far as I can see is not playing favorites. Trump is pissing him off but Reince doesn’t appear to be in the tank for anyone. I can feel it in my bones that Debbie wants Hillary. Sanders better watch his back.

    It’s not a coincidence that the first GOP debate is this week and no Dem debate has been scheduled. Debbie is gonna delay that as long as possible to save Hillary’s ass.

  180. James – re: Lightfoot, “If you could read my mind.”

    I’ve seen it described over and over as THE example of a perfect song: perfect lyrics, perfect tune, perfect meter.

    It damn sure floats my boat; always has.

  181. Something to consider when blithely talking about attacking Iran:

    The following was floated on a podcast I listen to. Just how much would matters be complicated if an attack on Iran “offended” North Korea or Russia? Will there come a time when global alliances could trigger another world war based on our asserting military control over Iran or any country for that matter?

    WWI was started by an assassination carried out by a two-bit asshole. (Another observation made by this same podcaster). It doesn’t take much to spin shit out of control.

  182. Good luck with that Muffy. I’ve posted the Biden bullshit so many time here without response it has to be deliberate. The guys is a total piece of shit and always has been. Rutherford would prefer to believe otherwise.

  183. Neville Chamberlain agrees.

    And you call me juvenile.

    Thank &diety that none of the Pres contenders are tapping you for Secretary of State or Defense Secretary.

    I’d venture to say of everyone here, the one who has thought the most about FP is Alfie. So I ask Alfie, when we consider military intervention how much do we need to weigh international alliances?

  184. As for Biden all I can say is he’s a puzzle. Muffy presents an effective damning portrait. But I’m sorry. The man presents as Uncle Joe. I can’t believe it’s just an act and my gut says he’s not as vile as HRC (damning by faint praise perhaps).

    Is that reason enough to vote for him? No.

  185. Please illuminate Rutherford. You’re compelling take on the Iran deal sure whets the appetite. I especially love the “it just ain’t fair that we have the bomb and so do others but Iran doesn’t.”

    So shit can happen. You don’t say. . .

  186. Whoops. “Puzzle” solved.

    Oh, it seems like only yesterday Biden was referring to these people he claimed to speak at old neighborhood joints… That hadn’t existed in years. “Uncle Joe” as Bubbles Brzezinski and fawning MSNBCers lovingly refer to the lying sack of shit. 76 out of 85. Saul woukd be like Oliver Wendell Holmes compared to the self-proclaimed MENSA member with the hair plugs.

  187. The European nations had constructed a system of alliances and spheres of influence designed to create peace for generations. The Ottoman Empire sank into decline as it became the sick man of Europe.

    Nations began to jockey for position and intrude in the Balkins and other regions regarded as vulnerable and ripe for the taking. The assassin was merely the spark which started the conflagration.

    The US, while not sick is in retreat and has concluded an agreement which makes several countries nervous. Processes vaguely similar to pre- WW1 evolution are in play now. Obama’s foreign policy is creating a mood of unease and adventurism.

    Several other countries may be more likely to attack Iran than the US has because we are relinquishing control.

  188. I’m glad you like the song, Parker. As the funeral began with “If You Could read My Mind”, the large crowd of mourners was silent, because they didn’t expect such a song.

  189. Years ago, someone joked that Obama is still alive because people know Joe Biden will be president if anything happens Barack. Biden is life insurance according to that fellow.

    Democratic presidential aspirants are all eligeble for Social Security because Obama’s leadership has decimated the party.

  190. So I ask Alfie, when we consider military intervention how much do we need to weigh international alliances?

    Alliances are still important to the USA but they exist on a more complicated plane than historical examples such as brought up with the talk of WWI and WWII.
    One of the reasons I’ve so embraced the “spheres” view regarding foreign policy is it really explains the many how’s and why’s very neatly. Along those lines the USA pursues alliances, both formal and informal ,primarily along the lines of interests within specific spheres. It is secondary to this that we so often find ourselves in complicated or apparently contradictory alliances.
    Our recent history especially with regards to the Middle East we have weighed alliances and have stressed some too.
    When we invaded Iraq we planned on enjoying the benefits of one of our alliances,our NATO relationship with Turkey. They balked and caused the 4th Infantry Division to reroute.
    More recently we have frustrated the Turks (and Saudis) with our focus on ISIL as opposed to really doing anything against Assad other than red lines and talk. We now will be providing air support to the puny Pentagon approved jihadists,less than 100 people, whether they are engaged by ISIL,other jihadists or Assad. I find this a token tip of the hat that pays back the recent decision from Ankara to allow US forces to us Incirlik. So yes in small doses and sometimes large we scrutinize alliances prior to military intervention.

    As for the potentially larger view you have secondary to the podcast comment.
    I don’t find that likely at all. Russia is one of the countries that would’ve backed out of sanctions against Iran if stiffer sanctions were proposed. Still this is as much about Russia’s economy issues as it is Putins desire to frustrate the West. The Russians are huge on the sphere thing and they want very much to reassert their hegemony in their immediate sphere. This is frustrated by oil and gas prices right now.
    Russia doesn’t want a war but they also don’t want to be punked by NATO and the EU on a regular basis. Especially in countries they view as being important to their sphere of influence. The Caspian and Black Sea neighbors are the ones they are more concerned about. I think they accept that the Baltics are not going to be like Crimea. I think the west is making sure of that not only via the exercises in Estonia and Poland but also via back channels seeking peace in Ukraine and green lighting Moscows moves elsewhere. This should prove interesting since the Iranians have eyes on the Caspian as well.
    I don’t want to bore you so I’ll leave it at that for now. If you have a question about it let me know.

  191. Will there come a time when global alliances could trigger another world war based on our asserting military control over Iran or any country for that matter?

    IF there is ever another world war my money is not on it involving Iran. I personally think Iran can only play a role in a regional/sphere conflict. #1 would of course be linked to Israel. #2 they feel froggy and front up on Washington or Moscow.
    I don’t see the conflicts in Africa going global.
    True nightmare scenario involves China and the USA.

  192. it just ain’t fair that we have the bomb and so do others but Iran doesn’t.

    Fairness has nothing to do with it. Arrogance has everything to do with it.

  193. Sovereign nations get to decide on their own offensive and defensive military strategies just as we have. Once the nuclear genie got out of the bottle in the 1940’s all bets were off. The only thing to stop a sovereign nation from obtaining the bomb was tech immaturity or lack of interest. Otherwise nothing can really be done.

    The development of this weapon and our use of it will probably go down as the greatest folly in the history of mankind.

    You, the typical arrogant American don’t recognize the sovereignty of your enemy. You want Iran to not get the bomb? Regime change is the only 100% way to do that. Change to a regime that does not want the bomb.

  194. Fairness has nothing to do with it. Arrogance has everything to do with it.

    What breadth of abject stupidity does it take to make a comment like this? Gawd, you are profanely ignorant, Rutherford. Do you even think before you type?

    You’re so utterly hopeless and void.

  195. I never said Biden was brilliant. Just about everyone is smarter than Palin

    Biden ain’t. It’s possible Biden is the dumbest white person in Congress. Joe is grateful to the Black Congressional Congress is there so he can’t claim the mantle of Washington’s dumbest human being.

    I just read the other day, Palin’s net worth is somewhere north of $30MM. That must burn your ass, IBM. 😛

  196. What is your distinction between “fairness” and “arrogance” and now “sovereignty.” I get your whole self-loathing bullshit. It makes you feel enlightened and. . . yes. . . fair. Is this just for your fee-fees stuff?

    p.s. gotta love I guy that finds Obama’s non-treaty by pass of congress an act of “non arrogance.” Think Israel of Saudis think Obama arrogant?

  197. Palin’s net worth is somewhere north of $30MM.

    Pimps whores and drug kingpins make a lot more than I do too. What of it?

    Palin apparently has her parasitic sucker attached to the Donald’s ass right now. Trump’s made his millions being an above average (not great but above average) businessman. Sarah has made her money being a train wreck.

    Glad she made her money and hope she invests well. She’s employed by whom right now? 😏

  198. “I’m doing something Tigre you seem unable to do. I’m thinking like an Iranian.

    Know your enemy.”

    The guy that didn’t know sunni from shia? Your understanding of Iranians is certainly reliable. 😆

    It’d be interesting f you thought like an American.

    I bet the Cubans would like Russian nukes. Who are we to say they shouldn’t have them?

  199. The guy that didn’t know sunni from shia?

    I’m never showing any vulnerability again here because you can be such an asshole.

    I knew the difference but was afraid I got them mixed up – I was avoiding a brain fart of which I’m capable. Next time I’ll confirm my shit privately since the lawyer genius can’t be gracious about it.

    P.S. Since I find 99% of religion fucking nonsense, pardon me if I have to double check which bunch of delusionals is which. 😐

  200. I bet the Cubans would like Russian nukes. Who are we to say they shouldn’t have them?

    There you raise a very good point. The acquisition of nukes by Cuba would be viewed as an act of aggression by us, appropriately so.

    So this brings up two points. First we negotiate to prevent that – which is what Kennedy did. What’s going on with Iran? Negotiation.

    Second Iran’s acquisition of nukes is rightfully interpreted as an act of aggression against Israel – none of our business. Would I fault them for striking Iran first? Nope. In fact I’ve been calling for Bibi to stop whining and put his army where his mouth is. But he’s too busy oppressing Palestine.

    Would Bibi start talks with Cuba if he saw them “nuking up”? No. Cos Bibi doesn’t give a shit about the USA. He cares only to the extent we’re his bodyguard.

  201. Sovereignty is sovereignty or your premise is worthless.

    You familiar with NATO?

    And quit being a pussy about you sunni v. shia ignorance as you lecture me about your understanding of the Iranian psyche. Fuck.

  202. I do see you agree that Israel is sovereign and free to protect itself from acts of aggression, including Palestinians.

  203. R, did it occur to you how you went from finding WWI analogies persuasive to false distinctions concerning national interest v. “aggression.”

  204. It’s actually not the Iranian psyche as much as the human psyche.

    I own a machine gun and live across the street from you. You have a beef with your next door neighbor which is none of my business. He happens to have a machine gun too, which nobody publicly acknowledges. You decide you wanna buy a machine gun. I tell you that you can’t.

    Now are you gonna stand there and suggest that you wouldn’t tell me to mind my own business?

    Tell me something and since I’m historically ignorant, you should have no trouble educating me.

    We acquired and were the first to use the bomb. How, pray tell was Russia, India, crazy-ass Pakistan and total nutjob North Korea able to get it? Why did we allow all the proliferation that has gone on until now?

    According to Tex, atheists are the most dangerous folks on Earth but we let the USSR acquire the bomb? How did the Cold War even start? Why didn’t we say to the ussr “we will attack you if we see any nuclear weapon development in your country”?

    Our history of stopping folks from getting the bomb seems pretty weak to me. So now we get to be big and bad because Israel is at risk?

    They have their own negotiators and their own army. Let them stop Iran.

    Why don’t WE focus out efforts on that false ally of ours, Pakistan?

  205. “We acquired and were the first to use the bomb. How, pray tell was Russia, India, crazy-ass Pakistan and total nutjob North Korea able to get it? Why did we allow all the proliferation that has gone on until now?”

    Hardly seems fair, does it? Maybe we should’ve tried more stringent economic sanctions on Russia, Pakistan and North Korea. 😆

    You really think if we could’ve prevented Russia from developing the bomb in 1949 that lead to the arms race that we wouldn’t have?

    Why don’t WE focus out efforts on that false ally of ours, Pakistan?

    Okay. Let’s do that. Point?

    Oh yeah: Death to America!

  206. “It’s actually not the Iranian psyche as much as the human psyche.”

    Oh. You said “think like an Iranian” and “know your enemy.” I thought you meant that. 🙄

  207. “You make any money?”

    Overall…no. But also didn’t lose much overall, either. Had fun for 3 days and lost less than $50. The real spending came from all the other junk that goes along with it all.

    I was really just more excited about learning the game. I have been a bystander several times and after the last time I decided that “next time” I was going to give it a try. And this was “next time”.

    “In fact I’ve been calling for Bibi to stop whining and put his army where his mouth is.”

    Israel can’t wipe its own ass without America supplying the paper. If the Arabs want to start ponying up, I say have at it. It’s about time Israel sucked off someone else’s teet.

    I said it before and I will say it again. Right now our main concern needs to be what’s going on at home. The Executive is a bigger threat to America and ANY foreign power or non-state actor. There will always be someone for us to bomb later on. We need to clean up our own shit first.

    “You decide you wanna buy a machine gun. I tell you that you can’t.”

    Rutherford, you have to remember that this is just as much about Iran saying it won’t as it is about others saying it can’t. It has signed an international agreement, and all of the punitive actions against it have been based on the enforcement of that agreement. This is why non-signatories (Israel, India, and Pakistan) never got the same treatment. They never made the promise, so they never got punished for breaking it. Even the most recently-created country, South Sudan, did not sign. And why would it? Any new country would be foolish to not keep options open. I’m sure Ukraine would agree in hindsight.

    Iran could back out of the NPT–the treaty has mechanisms for doing that, which involves a 90-day notice. North Korea started the process in 1993 and then negotiated a pause after 89 days. It then said it only needed a 1-day notice to make it official, but the IAEA and international community reject that claim. In 2003 NK announced it was out. It began making claims of successful weapons tests in 2006, 2009, and 2013. And NK does have UNSC sanctions against it as a result of what is seen as a violation of the NPT.

    Of course, Iran starting that 90-day process would assure an attack before it even passed 30 of them. If/When they tip that hand you can damn well bet they’ve already got an ace up their sleeve.

  208. Huck, it’s the smart game to play. As an assignment one time many, many years ago while obtaining my MBA, we had to do a case study project for the Management Science class – one dealing with statistical odds of holding a winning hand so to speak. So I chose the gambling industry. Why not? 😈

    You’ll be happy to know that you were playing the game with the highest odds of winning in Vegas. It’s been so many years ago, I can’t remember the exact percentages. But it seems like the payout was close to 48-49%.

  209. Rutherford, I don’t believe I ever said atheists were the biggest threat to America. I believe I said “Leftists” were the biggest threat to America.

  210. I don’t know who would decide what constitutes an informed voter. Who would set the standard? Wherever you set the bar, there would not only be voters, but candidates and pundits as well, that could limbo right under that thing without any fear of scratching their forehead.

    Perhaps we should concentrate on educating the electorate, not limiting it.

  211. As our contemporaries die, our past dies with them. We are becoming stranded in a world without our old roots–like living in another country. – James

    The key is to remain rhizophorous, James. 🙂 Nourish those shoots of curiosity in every new encounter, every new relationship. When an old root is severed, two more will replace it. My hunch is, you have already mastered this lesson.

    I enjoyed interstellar as a visual tale, in the tradition of 2001 or Silent Running. But the problem with time tales is always, why didn’t they come back a little earlier and prevent the whole catastrophe? Just give us immortal corn or a planet-sized diaphragm and we won’t need your damn wormhole. I did enjoy the Michael Caine line about physicists not fearing death but fearing time.

  212. Rutherford, I’ve done all the Hardcore History Podcasts. Carlin is great. I’d guess I’d call him a Pop historian.

    Think like an Iranian. Know thy Enemy. It’s a humanity thing. Your shot gun sprays but doesn’t hit shit.

    My boy and I are heading out to do some serious fishing. Salmon are starting to run. Be back in a couple days. Hopefully with a chest full of Walleye, Trout and Salmon that lasts 6 months. He’s pumped up becuase its his first “man” trip. He wants to prove himself. He promised his Mom he’d come back with alot of food.

  213. Thanks, thor. Yes, I’ve already mastered it. Life is fun.

    I hope you catch many fish, rabbit. He and you will remember the trip for a long time.

    We need voters less distracted by bright shinny objects than we have now.
    An informed voter would be someone who knows the candidates and their records. What have they voted for? What have they said? An informed voter would know something about the rest of the world and what drives it. An informed voter would know basic economics and our constitution.

    I think a standardized test combined with some instruction would improve our electorate. A panel represented by various political and social ideologies could determine what basic information is needed to be a good citizen.

    I volunteer for the job of selecting voters. Ha!

    Maybe they could visit this blog.

    People like the folks Jimmy Kimmel and earlier Jay Leno mocked should not be voting.

  214. There is no domestic database kept for people killed by police officers, so foreigners are providing us that service. Our media only reports those they can use to divide and incite outrage that will fit their agenda. The majority are never picked up rather quietly buried. All-in-all, this country is becoming one of the most dangerous places to live. If the food, water, air, or healthcare doesn’t kill you, our ‘peace’ officers just might. We’ve come a long way, baby. 😐 And there’s no turning back 😈

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/08/04/foreign-news-service-keeping-body-count-of-us-citizens-killed-by-police/

    Today is August 4th, 2015, and to date there have been 683 (3 more were added as I wrote this article) people who have been killed, a number on track to reach nearly 1100 before year’s end. Keep in mind, most of these people were never convicted of a crime.

    To add perspective to this, the number of American citizens killed by terrorism is typically between 15 and 25 annually, which means, of course, that statistically you’re more likely to be killed by your own furniture than by terrorism, and that the local P.D. is far more of a danger to you than Al Qaeda or ISIS.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

    A lot of interesting things are found in this data. I didn’t know so many were killed by vehicles. “Struck by vehicle’ seems to be legitimate take down methodology. ‘Death in custody’ is another common theme. [That’ll learn ’em – rehabilitate that, motherf**ker!] Granted, they have a long way to go to catch up to our healthcare system’s mortality rate which is ‘growing’ exponentially.

  215. Pool you’re a freak show. The Guardian is biased but they do journalism better than American outfits. The list doesn’t fit your motives though. The Guardian provides excellent details such as perps being armed. The list has flaws though. There are at least two deaths that are domestic violence. The actions are separate from he people being cops.

  216. A panel represented by various political and social ideologies could determine what basic information is needed to be a good citizen. – James

    Sounds like something from an Orwell novel. If not, it should be. Horrifying.

  217. Pool you’re a freak show.

    Ha! I report, you decide. AMERICA IS THE FREAK SHOW If we survive this decade, history will record the freakiness factor.

    The list has flaws though.

    They encourage and invite updates. If your critiques are legit, tell it to them (where it would do some good) so they can correct it.

  218. Poolman, nuke time-lapse was impressive. I would have guessed 200 and thought that was high. Over 2000? Beyond comprehension. I wonder at what point it ceased being informative and just became dick wagging. Mid 1950’s I would guess.

    If I was up against a pizzly for salmon, I’d fight a lot dirtier, go straight for the Ursa Minor. 🙂

    Have fun fishing, Rabbit. But before you go, rates going up in September? I bet you still doubt it, just like me. I don’t know if ET has changed his mind yet, but commodities are crashing. Job numbers on Friday, but the Fed will just use those to justify whatever choice they’ve already made.

  219. Rutherford, Hammer! Yes We Can, Baby! Welcome to the world you helped create. Hope & Change! ‘Cept for your Children, of course. Spin that Obama!!!! Spin that Booming Stock Market and Employment Rate!!!! YEEHAW!

    Goldman Sachs: Job Market, Student Debt Keep Millennials With Parents

    http://www.newsmax.com/Finance/newswidget/millennials-housing-debt-spending/2015/08/04/id/665380/?Dkt_nbr=6uhxhxdd&nmx_source=Law_Professor_Blog_Network_Finance&nmx_medium=widget&nmx_content=440&nmx_campaign=widgetphase2

  220. “Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian.” ~ Henry Ford

    Yes We Can! Free rent and gas! Obama magic!

  221. “I don’t know if ET has changed his mind yet, but commodities are crashing.”

    Pork bellies are crashing!!!

    ET will wait another 2-3 weeks to see what the Feds deliberately rhetoric sounds like before making a prediction.

  222. Over 2000? Beyond comprehension.

    Oh, it’s much more special than that. 👿 It’s the gift that keeps on giving. Everything on the planet since shares traces of each and every one of them. Radioactive signatures are unique and can be traced back to their origin. This is accumulative. Talk about your half life. 😐

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopic_signature

  223. Ursa minor, thor. That was funny. Where is the major?

    Yes, my plan sounds horrifying. But so is our current situation. Peggy Joseph scares me to death. Maybe we could return to when only property owners could vote.

  224. One of my wife’s former students said her father was mowing on an incline when his mower tipped over and pinned him. His son in law rescued him and offered to take him to the doctor. No, he was fine. Several hours later he said maybe he should go to the hospital.

    The doctor asked how they had gotten him in the car. His hip was broken, and his arm had a serious fracture requiring surgery. Two days passed, and hospital staff did nothing except make their patient as comfortable as possible. His arm was swelling. His daughter raised hell.

    The doctor appologized and told her the fault was with ObamaCare. New rules require treating a younger patient first. They scheduled surgery the next day.

    The father in law said he didn’t want that fool operating on him. The doctor didn’t even know the time, the day of the week, or the name of the president.

    The doctor said it was a revelation. He had never considered orientation questions to determine a patients alertness from the patient’s prospective.

    Another reminder to those who think Sarah Palin is stupid. She called them death panels which is a trifle florid, but she was right, and some of you who mock her were wrong. Our neighbor would never have known if his daughter had not demanded he be treated immediately.

  225. Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian.

    What disingenuous bullshit. The American Indian didn’t “let” government do a goddam thing. Indians were moved around forcibly by the government and told where they could and could not settle. If this was truly a Ford quote, I’m pretty sure it’s not the first or last asshole thing he said.

  226. Rabbit, I can listen to Carlin’s “Common Sense” podcast while doing other stuff — that’s the one I linked to. As for “Hardcore History” — damn, hardcore indeed!!! I cannot do anything else while listening to that one. Dude truly takes you to school and you have to pay attention.

    He did a piece on the start of WWI that was mind blowing. Arch duke Ferdy actually ESCAPED the first assassination attempt and got killed later by “lucky” coincidence.

  227. First, Peggy never said Obama was going to pay her mortgage or buy her gas. She simply said if she helped him her life would get better, care of the government. It was a stupid sound bite that got way too much traction. Just about everyone who votes for any president expects that vote will result in their life being easier, not harder. In addition, she was expressing the joy many of us felt that a (half)black man became President — something most of us wrote off as impossible.

    Her appearance in the documentary only demonstrates that MANY of us were disappointed in Obama. But that was more our fault than his. The Presidency should not be a cult of personality.

    By the way, I watched the full trailer for the Utopia movie and my gut says Joel Gilbert is an asshole. Just the fact that loathsome crackpot Jerome Corsi appears in the film, totally wrecks its credibility.

    Truly, Tex, focus on what’s wrong today and stop rehashing the foolishness from 2007/2008 much of which was — RACIST — there, I said it.

  228. What a classic! What a dumbass!

    Put the comment in context for me Tex. I stand by what I said with the comment in isolation. If it has some other meaning in context, provide the context.

  229. You change avatars, Tex, more often than the average man changes underwear. Who was Obama morphed with in your earlier avatar today and who is he morphed with now?

  230. You guys probably envision me camping in the national forest, but I said fuck it and got a room at the Injin casino up here. Well….you are probably not envisioning the Rabbit at all…

    Wifi, jacuzzi, sauna, dinner buffet for 11 bucks total (he got to eat for free).

    Worked on the boy’s swimming. He’s still only 5, but damn he swims like shit. It’s like he is African American. Work in progress.

    My favorite Hardcore History was the one on the Mongols and the Reformation. WWI was good but most of it I already actually knew alot about becuase of my job.

    Rutherford, If you like Carlin you would love a professor called Rufus Fears (sic?) from the Teaching Company. Carlin is a big fan himself and at times rips him off.

    We’re going to hunt for Petoski stones Friday and then go to my hideout in the miserable swamp and start unabashedly baiting the fuck out of the place for deer.

    I got my kid a rock tumbler polishing machine for his b day this Sept. Hopefully we find some nice ones.

  231. “What disingenuous bullshit.”

    It’s not one bit disingenuous. The fact they were defeated and treated horribly doesn’t negate the harm caused by the teet afterwards.

  232. “Just about everyone who votes for any president expects that vote will result in their life being easier, not harder.”

    The fuck you talking about?

  233. “Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you” “MOST” of you would have not been disappointed had you done some independent research as I did.

  234. I saw it all on teevee, Rutherford. It MUST be real. 😆 I’ve grown up believing it all genuine. But I am open to thinking otherwise. I’ve learned we have been lied to by ‘the authorities’ for a very long time in regard to most everything.

  235. Pools, This guy is giving it a shot (pun intended).

    In fact, prior to the Brown’s shooting, the only person attempting to keep track of the number of police shootings was D. Brian Burghart, the editor and publisher of the 29,000-circulation Reno News & Review, who launched his “Fatal Encounters” project in 2012. – WaPo

  236. I think as a species we peaked some time ago and we are on the way down. I blame our culture. Where are the Henry Fords of today?

  237. About 50% of America’s serial killers come from a 200 mile radius around Seattle: Ted Bundy- 50-80 victims, Gary Ridgway (Green River Killer)- 55, Robert Pickton (Vancouver BC)- 54, Robert Yates-18, Willie Mak-13, Hillside Stranglers-15,.

    Fine Washingtonians, these folks. Any of them related to the Hammer Klan? 😈

  238. Norway was more racist than the US at the time. They harassed and attempted to destroy the Sami culture. Around 1979, they decided to build a dam for power which would destroy a Sami town and disrupt reindeer migratory patterns. The Sami protest was so vigorous that it occupied a tenth of the nation’s police force, and had they not reached an agreement, the government was planning to call up the Army.

    This protest lasted for a year or two, and I don’t think anyone was killed. Maybe a few reindeer turned loose on city streets were injured.

    Odd about the number of killers around Seattle.

  239. “Odd about the number of killers around Seattle.”

    Poolman and Pfesser apparently help keep the number down to 50%.

  240. The Big Bang Theory scene is funny. I think I recorded it when we first saw it. That character further supports my belief that we need to test and educate people before they vote.

  241. No Tigre. That number represents those that have been caught and identified. The real numbers are unknown to the statisticians but likely increases the closer you get to Atlanta dc. 😆

  242. I’m glad Kasich and Christie got in there but I’d rather see Fiorina over Huckabee.

    Trump@23%: NOT LIKE. I don’t think he elevates the process. Mildly interested but more apprehensive about seeing him tonight. No to a Trump presidency. Slight dip in polls in last few days. Poll trajectory-
    Bush@13%: NOT LIKE. From the beginning Bush has not been a good campaigner. Rather slow on his feet. Not a deal breaker but bad for debates. Hillary wants him. I’ve never thought we were looking at Clinton/Bush V2.0. Poll trajectory+
    Walker@11%: LIKE. Probably my top Like still. Poll trajectory+
    Huckabee@7%: NOT LIKE. Stale. Poll trajectory-
    Carson@57%: LIKE> Love actually. Just not for president. I heard someone say he should arrange for someone to go down during the debate a he rushes in to save their life. That would be great. Poll trajectory+
    Cruz@6%: TOSS UP. Not crazy. Not stupid. A little weird, though nothing I can put my finger on. Poll trajectory+
    Rubio@5%: LIKE. Not too sure he’s ready but I might be ready for him. VP material…Poll trajectory-
    Paul@5%: LIKE. I like most of his thinking. I think. Poll trajectory+
    Christie@3%: LIKE. VP material…Poll trajectory+
    Kasich@3%: LIKE. Lots of interest here. Poll trajectory+

    Perry @1.5%
    Santorum @1.3%
    Fiorina @1.3%
    Jindal @0.5%
    Graham @who cares%
    Pataki – not even sure that’s how it’s spelled @0%
    Somebody else, can’t remember his name @<0%

  243. Whoa I have Carson @ 57%? I think that’s supposed to be a 7.
    ~
    Nixon? You mean the guy that was held accountable? His top law guy too?
    ~
    Tigre, especially if “driven to suicide” is among the body count.

  244. Tigre, especially if “driven to suicide” is among the body count.

    😆 😆 Maybe I’ve been mouthing off to the wrong guy. If I come up missing one of these days, Pool is the #1 suspect. And I’ll be buried deep for all of my transgressions.

    As to politics, I think this is actually the strongest field I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. “R” only. I would have it rated differently than Muffy, but I think there is actually 7 or 8 candidates I really like to like. I actually would put Cruz as my top candidate because I think he’s the smartest candidate and perhaps willing to do what he actually says. I think that will show tonight. But I don’t think Cruz is electable. So I would go Cruz, Kasich/Walker, Fiorina, Rubio, Jindal, Carson, Paul, Bush, Christie. Trump demonstrates how unserious politics has become.

    And I don’t think any of them can win because the country is heading to hell-in-a-handbasket. I can virtually guarantee before 2017, there is going to be a national calamity. Set…Up…Beautifully.

    The failed blue states are massive now, loaded with bums, stoners, pinkos, thieves, and demons. A Republican is not going to win those, and I don’t think they should even try. If by grace a Republican should win and they nominated me king for a day, I would make it a #1 priority to put the massive screws to everyone of those blue states, starting with Illinois, NY and California.

    I’d see they were corn holed so deep, their gums bled.

    I’d double down on Obama thuggery and the first people audited by the IRS and visited by the FBI are going to be named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Jarrett, Holder, and the Black Congressional Congress. Then we’re going to do some major ass chopping of federal jobs – and I’m going to put that to a national referendum with the recommendation we put the goal at 50%, minimal package upon departure. Or, if these freeloaders wish to transfer to the military, they become front line fodder, men or women, don’t give a shit. They better learn to shoot straight real quickly.

  245. We have a tendency to drive them nuts up here.

    Hell yeah. Virtually the state is made up of fruits, flakes and nuts. Most of the state resembles something like the Naked and Afraid crowd, 21 days after arrival.

  246. “So I would go Cruz, Kasich/Walker, Fiorina, Rubio, Jindal, Carson, Paul, Bush, Christie. Trump demonstrates how unserious politics has become.”

    I like that order. I just don’t know how to take Cruz.

    “And I don’t think any of them can win because the country is heading to hell-in-a-handbasket.”

    Now there’s a depressing thought. And I think I agree.

    Does anyone here think we’re going to get second chance after blowing 2012?

    “I’d double down on Obama thuggery and the first people audited by the IRS and visited by the FBI are going to be named Clinton, Obama, Biden, Jarrett, Holder, and the Black Congressional Congress. Then we’re going to do some major ass chopping of federal jobs…

    I’m with you. After hearing some real infuriating stuff recently about IRS employees – especially that sumbitch Kostiken and his demon wife Lerner and her whole department – I’d vote for anyone including Trump if he’d promise to cut the IRS employees loose on Day 1 with minimal severance and no retirement. That’d be a nice start.

    I just feel like Obama has quietly inserted his type of people in the law enforcement agencies including the FBI, circuit courts, and also the military top brass.

    Re: the black caucus – should be dissolved. It’s blatantly racist. I’m not sure why that’s OK.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Susan Rice and Al Sharpton come upon some hard times either. No sirree.

  247. Until I hear more from others about shrinking the power of the Executive my top picks are Paul, Webb and Walker, in that order (although Walker doesn’t strike me as a weak Executive, by any means, I like some of the other things he’s said and done). None of those 3 are even close to my perfect candidate, which does not and will never exist.

    With that said, I did re-register as a Democrat so that I can pull for Webb in the primary. The idea being, I can accept multiple names on the GOP side as my potential president, so not getting my say in the GOP primary isn’t that crucial to me. By contrast, I cannot accept Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders as my president, so I am going to do what little I can to see neither of them win.

    Seeing Webb lose to several in the GOP field wouldn’t bother me as much as seeing several in the GOP field lose to Sanders or Clinton. For now I will keep to myself those on the GOP side I would call unacceptable, because I see some are favoring some of them and for once I am not out to start a brawl here.

  248. @ Huck your aggressive stance against the “imperial POTUS” is over 40 years out of touch with reality. No candidate for President is going to alter the Executive branch because the Legislative branch has utterly defaulted on its responsibilities.
    @the room. Although I think 2 or 3 of the GOP candidates could win I don’t think the GOP truly cares. The GOP has solidified its hold at the district level and I don’t see any of them looking to alter it. This is a culmination of party policy since Clinton. It isn’t good for party or country and speaks volumes to how morally bankrupt the republicans and conservatives truly are.

  249. “@ Huck your aggressive stance against the “imperial POTUS” is over 40 years out of touch with reality. No candidate for President is going to alter the Executive branch because the Legislative branch has utterly defaulted on its responsibilities.”

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t contest that one bit. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think it’s what needs to be done. I would gladly settle for 4-8 years of legislative and policy stagnation if it meant we had a president that wasn’t an emperor. This trend set by Obama MUST be halted, at the least, and preferably, reversed.

  250. For now I will keep to myself those on the GOP side I would call unacceptable, because I see some are favoring some of them and for once I am not out to start a brawl here.”

    What are you talking about? (Kidding)

    Here’s my order, since I didn’t really stack like that at first. I was just giving general thumbs up/down. This also doesn’t mean much because my preferences are really more about stopping the dismal tide of aggressive socialism.

    (By the way, what IS the difference between a Democrat and a Socialist?)

    President
    Walker
    Paul
    Kasich – ? dunno yet

    VP
    Rubio or Christie I’m OK with
    Fiorina (girl power!)
    Someone not in the group – Sandoval or some gov…

    Unacceptable
    Trump
    Carson
    Huckabee
    Everyone on the debate cut list except Fiorina. I want her to stay (a long time even) but ultimately not win.

    Cruz – ? dunno. Again, weird vibe.
    Bush – ? dunno. I’m having trouble with him.
    Perry – ? dunno. Can’t like him, though I kind of want to.

  251. Well Huck, if you want to know the absolute truth, though I have my favorites which naturally won’t add up to yours for reasons that are understood by the two of us, my real emphasis of 2016 is not much different than 2012. I have lost interest in large part because I think America too far gone – in fact, I know that it too far gone. A Republican President delays the inevitable. America just not as far down the rabbit hole as most others because of the historical perspective. When America falls, hell will follow.

    However, due to my children, I would like to delay the inevitable downfall as long as possible.

    The 2016 strategy is: Anybody but Clinton, Sanders, and to a much lesser degree, Webb and O’Malley, one whom I consider straight from hell and utterly lawless (which America probably deserves), one from the loony farm apt for the Rutherford types which will quickly put us over the edge. The Democrats might be far better with the other two but the chances slim and none. I wouldn’t be with any of the four.

    And without a Republican Congress, it all a moot point. The way this country structured, it’s almost easy to predict state by state elections these days.

    Senate most likely swings Dim next year, House still Republican – making for a stalemate. Put a lawless tyrant like Shrew Clinton up there or a Commie like Sanders, and it won’t matter. Republicans will suck their thumbs and whine about it, and Clinton or Sanders will continue with stomping the Constitution, using the legal fiat made up of priestly Caesars and laughing about it – frankly because we don’t have the balls to do what needs to be done.

    Maybe if the system collapses, people will be motivated enough to finally act. But I kind of doubt it. Most Americans are much too soft.

    Put a fork in it. It’s entertainment, interesting speculation here and not much else.

  252. “The 2016 strategy is: Anybody but Clinton, Sanders, and to a much lesser degree, Webb and O’Malley”

    I can understand that. My deal is–as it stands this moment, 1 of them is going to get the nomination. And if they get the nomination, that means they have a chance to win it all. And with the way the GOP campaigns these days, their opposition will have a GOOD chance.

    With that in mind, which one of those would you rather have lead us?

    “It’s entertainment, interesting speculation here and not much else.”

    I definitely don’t contest that one, either. The re-election of Obama, combined with what I have seen from the GOP congress since last year, doesn’t bode well.

    Knowing ahead of time that it would never win a presidency, I am seriously all about a 3rd (or more) party right now. Most on any side of the isle are worthy of nothing but disgust and contempt.

  253. “which one of those would you rather have lead us?”

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to put you on the spot, as I re-read and see you pretty much answered that with “to a much lesser degree”.

  254. “I was just giving general thumbs up/down.”

    Fair enough. I misinterpreted your percentages. And while I didn’t have only you in mind, I appreciate the effort to clarify.

  255. It isn’t good for party or country and speaks volumes to how morally bankrupt the republicans and conservatives truly are.

    I disagree about the moral bankruptcy, but I might agree with the recognition of simply holding state power. I suppose that could be construed as cowardly.

    Sorry Alfie, and I’m not incriminating you in this, but any state that simply yawns at the sale of harvesting fetal organ parts playing their role of Mengele, is so far gone, it holds no voice of reason, sanity or scruples. Massachusetts is Gomorrah for all practical purposes. Not all the people naturally. But the state as whole? Gone. Moderates play their role in the allowance, perhaps even the tacit approval.

    One thing for sure. Massachusetts when taken as a whole, has no room to even speak of morality. I can’t think of any state represented by anything more immoral. Not even California.

    Let’s face it. Your own home state has elected for decades now some of the absolute most despicable demons America has ever witnessed. Kennedy, Kerry, Warren, Markey. There’s no rationale or debate with these kinds of assholes.

    What you call moral bankruptcy, I simply call recognition there are two Americas – currently under one umbrella.

  256. “what about Obama has you ratcheted up the most?”

    I don’t like him bypassing Congress on matters of initiating military action. I don’t buy the idea that going after various groups is part of previous Congressional approval.

    I don’t like him ignoring laws, and being selective as to which ones he will and will not enforce. I want the law to be enforced–even the ones I don’t like. If we can’t get congress to change those, so be it.

  257. I also don’t like the idea of spying on Americans or the (I think) illegal Executive/agency targeting of media and political opposition. All of which Obama has done aggressively.

  258. @Huck – the % are current poll results courtesy RCP.

    @Tex – wow that video love note to Stewart and his followers is potent.

  259. “Always tough when your top law guy gets indicted.”

    Indeed it is

    “”In this criminal complaint, Attorney General Kathleen Kane was charged with official oppression; she was charged with obstruction of administration of law; she was charged with perjury. These are the charges and there are other serious charges, and they are troubling,” Wolf said in a statement provided by his office.”

    When you read the article, you can see many of the things she is being charged with are the same types of things we have been seeing from the Obama Administration.

  260. The actions of PP are totally indefensible. It’s a fucking disgrace that any dem would try to explain away or mitigate that immoral, intolerable and downright evil practice at any level. I hope someone on stage tonight goes ape shit over the videos and the need to defund PP since Congress is too spineless to shutdown the government over it. I am disgusted by what I know of it now. Dems and HRC in particular should be crucified for their stance it.

  261. @Tex – wow that video love note to Stewart and his followers is potent.

    That video demonstrates for years what I have been saying about Jon Stewart. Leibowitz is frankly an asshole that caters, traffics, and capitalizes on the weak-minded, sucking their thumbs waiting for the laugh cue. That sells well with the hate Bush crowd, the Obama butt humpers, and the profanely ignorant rubes that believed in Hope & Change.

    Not to the adults in the room.

    I was somewhat taken back that people actually felt Stewart was a news source. Stewart with a cadre of writers had some funny lines, but still. Leibowitz was, is and will forever be a Dimocratic flack with punch lines. Why was anybody surprised Leibowitz was making frequent trips over to the White House and playing toady? I certainly wasn’t.

    I’ve heard from pretty good source, off the set, Leibowitz is a real turd and dickhead. 😆 And that came from a guy I met who was a Rutherford type that had actually worked with the Comedy Channel Execs. He would have no reason to say that. Said Leibowitz was an arrogant and bullying little schmuck, full of himself. Of course, I’m guessing most of these folks in NY and DC are – both parties.

  262. LOL. More like 20%.

    And growing. Advances in DNA closing cold cases and guess who has been getting away with murder?

  263. 20% of killers black, that is.

    “The racial diversity of serial killers generally mirrors that of the overall U.S. population. There are well documented cases of African-American, Latino and Asian-American serial killers. African-Americans comprise the largest racial minority group among serial killers, representing approximately 20 percent of the total. Significantly, however, only white, and normally male, serial killers such as Ted Bundy become popular culture icons.”

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/5-myths-about-serial-killers-and-why-they-persist-excerpt/

    Maybe you meant the percentage of serial killers that are men.

    Boomstick.

    (PS…sorry Tex. I had to do it.)

  264. Man, Martha MacCallum is pretty. Really a stunning natural beauty. And it’s a damn shame that Carly Fiorina is not on that stage tonight. She’s really good, contrary to the serial murderer Rutherford’s estimation, which is always wrong.

  265. Wassup wit dat bro?

    Ah, Rutherford always talks like that when he’s trying to pull the boot out of his ass. 😆 I noticed we double smacked that grin without knowing who was on the other end.

    Now, he’s really going to think you’re my doppelganger, Muffy.

  266. I can understand the presumption that 1% of serial killers are female (in fact, it’s much higher than that) but I can’t fathom why anyone would presume that 1% applies to black men.

  267. but I can’t fathom why anyone would presume that 1% applies to black men.

    Muffy, you know better. 😈 This is a man of Hope & Change, who wept over the promises of Barack Obama healing our land, the post racial President, who with a wave of his mighty hand, would stop the rising tide and fulfill the promises of free rent and gas.

  268. Re Kirstan Powers. More than one percent of the serial killers are women. They don’t use guns, and they kill babies.

    I’m overstating, but it occurred to me that Le Roy Carhart whom I knew in the Air Force, got into trouble for aborting a 33 week baby which resulted in the mother’s death. That’s not far from the age of our son when he was born.

  269. The name you forgot Muffy was Gilmore.

    Christie will NEVER agree to be VP.

    I like Kasich – I’m a bit concerned that he wears his Christianity on his sleeve but it don’t seem holier-than-thou so I think I can live with that.

    I’m watching the cocktails debate as I type this. So far, strongest performer is Graham.

  270. As I watch the undercard debate I have to give the GOP credit. Even the weakest candidate, Gilmore, seems sensible. Not necessarily presidential but not a clown.

  271. If Clinton is not the nominee, the GOP has the best chance they’ve had in years of retaking the White House. Much of the country wants things set straight after 8 years of that damn negro. Too much too soon. Yes sirree!!!

  272. “LOL Muffy I’m sorry but that comment seemed loaded with lust.”

    Ha. I was just about to say that Lindsey Graham touched me. 🙂

  273. I take back previous comment. Graham’s got some swagger that I like but he’s not leading in the debate. Not really answering question asked and too focused on FP. In fact he just clearly twisted the answer to a domestic policy question back to FP. Not good.

    By Perry standards, Rick is doing pretty well. Holding his own. The other Rick (Santorum) said some really stupid shit. Ugh.

  274. “Much of the country wants things set straight after 8 years of that damn negro.”

    Oh stop it.

    I vow never to pull the same bullshit with gender as you do with race.

    In the real world, people WANT to hire women. People WANT to hire blacks.

  275. If somebody watched that debate and decided Lindsey Graham was winning, they tuned to the wrong channel. 🙄 Graham was pathetic, as expected. Grab the hook and get that sham off the stage.

    Fiorina, followed by Jindal who was also quite good. The rest of them were pretty much canned responses. Fiorina is excellent contrary to your ignorance, misogyny, and bias Rutherford. She is light years ahead of any Dim candidate in debate talent.

  276. I think Tigre is onto something. If HRC is the dem candidate then the GOP MUST have a woman on the ticket either as P or VP. I think Carly unlikely to get the pres nod so VP is it. She also did well in today’s debate IMHO.

  277. This trend set by Obama MUST be halted

    Set by Obama? Surely you jest. Do we need to compare once again the executive orders of prior presidents to Obama’s?

    If you wanna talk the start of a trend, at least have the decency to go back to FDR.

  278. Do we need to compare once again the executive orders of prior presidents to Obama’s?

    Yeah Huck. After all, Bush’s President’s Commission on Excellence in Special Education would offset any executive amnesty order.

  279. “Set by Obama? Surely you jest. Do we need to compare once again the executive orders of prior presidents to Obama’s?”

    Did I say anything about executive orders?

    Feel free to read my comments past that statement and then see if you’d still like to have that comparison.

  280. I will make it easy for you, since you’ve kind of pissed me off….

    “I don’t like him bypassing Congress on matters of initiating military action. I don’t buy the idea that going after various groups is part of previous Congressional approval.

    “I don’t like him ignoring laws, and being selective as to which ones he will and will not enforce. I want the law to be enforced–even the ones I don’t like. If we can’t get congress to change those, so be it.

    “I also don’t like the idea of spying on Americans or the (I think) illegal Executive/agency targeting of media and political opposition. All of which Obama has done aggressively.”

    So yes, let’s have a comparison of past presidents to Obama. You start us off.

  281. R, you don’t want to compare executive orders with previous presidents, zipperhead. It’s not number, it’s substance. Quit with retarded count. Fuck. That’s Obamaphone Lady level retort. Use your head. Your folks filled what little bit you’ve got with an Ivy League education, and you just let it drip on the floor.

  282. No one with the slightest but of decency ir humanity can not be disturbed beyond words by the PP videos. I truly hope that is why you’re silent concerning them R.

  283. Why was anybody surprised Leibowitz was making frequent trips over to the White House

    Yeah two is “frequent”. Why haven’t you applied for a job at Fox yet? 😃

  284. What is a flack posing as comedian doing at Whitehouse meetings with Obama in person, Rutherford? And how many phone calls? I’ll bet money this was daily, at the most weekly.

    Let’s see. Nobody has disputed this: At the 2011 visit, for instance, Obama used the meeting as a chance to push his economic plan and “lay the groundwork for his 2012 re-election campaign.”

    Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri was blunt, telling Politico that “Democrats are worried” they’ll lose a key mouthpiece when Stewart retires from The Daily Show in early August.

    Speaking truth to propaganda… 😛

  285. but I can’t fathom why anyone would presume that 1% applies to black men.

    Manson, Dahmer, Speck, Kryzinski, Berkowitz, Gacy, Bundy … wow it’s such a reach to think of serial killers as white.

    I can only think of two notorious black serial killers: the guy in Atlanta who I think was a cannibal and the guy with the young accomplice who shot folks on the highway on the East coast.

    Guess the press is too busy covering common black thugs to get to all the serial killers.

  286. Oh stop it.

    While I firmly believe Obama’s race can’t be completely separated from his reception, I was being a wee bit facetious.

    Racial or not, much of America has had enough with lib ideology. I truly think the pendulum is ready to swing back. Tigre can scream till he turns blue, I find Hillary’s lead in the polls a condemnation of liberals. The woman is being investigated by the FBI. Have we NO standards?

  287. Fiorina is excellent contrary to your ignorance, misogyny, and bias Rutherford.

    You’re wrong. I think she put in a very strong performance. Jindal was strong too (if you’re a conservative). His smile is deadly though.

    Perry said we need a corporate executive to run this country. I guess he’s endorsing Fiorina and Trump. Doh!!! 😳

  288. So yes, let’s have a comparison of past presidents to Obama. You start us off.

    Nixon.

    I don’t argue with your assessment of Obama. I argue with your hyperbole that he started a trend when the dominance of the executive has been growing over the past 40 years (at least).

  289. “Tigre can scream till he turns blue, I find Hillary’s lead in the polls a condemnation of liberals.”

    I find your willingness to toe the “nothing burger” defense of incredible acts of malfeasance and indictment of liberals. . . and you.

  290. Your folks filled what little bit you’ve got with an Ivy League education, and you just let it drip on the floor.

    LOL Now you know full well I completely agree with you. What a fucking wasted investment. 😂

  291. “…wow it’s such a reach to think of serial killers as white.”

    It’s not a reach, just a much repeated myth. Presumptuous and ignorant. But then again it’s quite in keeping with the certain other media-driven perceptions like cops hunting black people.

    I can picture as many black, Latino, and Asian mugshots as white when it comes to serial killers. Shoot Kermit Gosnell is the biggest one but we’ll pretend it’s tissue.

    Black – Coral Eugene Watts, Anthony Sowell – around a dozen each. Chicago thug Andre Something also a double digit threat had sex with the corpses. Some guy in Tacoma convicted of several ax murders and confessed to another 44 killings. One in St Louis. That’s just off the top of my head.

    Google is free you know.

  292. I truly hope that is why you’re silent concerning them R.

    I seem to recall saying here that harvesting body parts from fetuses should be illegal especially if stem cell research can be done with adult volunteers.

  293. “I can only think of two notorious black serial killers”

    That’s the problem. You’re only looking at this through the lens of notoriety. I won’t speculate on any percentages, but we are seeing more and more serial murders being committed by black men. And I am not talking about drug or gang related murders.

  294. “Guess the press is too busy covering common black thugs to get to all the serial killers.

    If by “covering” you mean ignoring…

  295. “dominance of the executive has been growing over the past 40 years (at least)”

    Not as rapidly as in the last 8 years.

    And which unapproved military actions did Nixon get us into? Which laws did he give orders to ignore as a matter of policy?

  296. And the fact that you have to go back more than 4 decades for a single (and I argue, incomplete) case comparison is laughable.

    Quit nitpicking verbiage when you know I am right in my overall point. We have ET for that. wink

  297. I have to admit, in some malicious, devilish way, I find Donald Trump highly entertaining. I hope he stays in the mix just to insult the media. 😆 😆 😆

  298. “I seem to recall saying here that harvesting body parts from fetuses should be illegal especially if stem cell research can be done with adult volunteers.”

    That’s not what I’m talking about. It’s outrageous, and there’s no “especially if we can get the parts elsewhere” is not the point.

    But there again, I must be nitpicking verbiage. wink 😆

  299. Sorry. I shouldn’t try to watch and type.

    I’ll come back to hit up that bumper crop of nits.

    And this Paul/Christie slug-fest is awesome.

  300. That was a cute moment, Tigre.

    This is a tad rowdy. I can’t decide if that’s a good or a bad thing but it is highly watchable, IMO.

  301. Bush is lookin’ good. Sensible, not a religious nut, reasonable answers to difficult questions. Did the good Doctor Cum-Brain-Surgeon really say Americans should “tithe” to the government? Jesus H. Roosevelt Christ.

    Fiorina? Is that also a f’in joke? Do a little research about how she drove Hewlett-Packard into the ground.

  302. Was it Adm Stockdale that had to turn his hearing aid up in the VP debate?

    I’m picturing a visibly agitated Al Gore wiping sweat from his upper lip, a hyper Dan Quayle doing an impression of a jack in the box, and sweet old Adm Stockdale fiddling with his hearing aid.

    This is better.

  303. One complaint I do have about this format is that FOX has done a very poor job of sharing the wealth. My guy (Cruz) had hardly had a chance to speak. Carson is getting the short stick too. Too many people. Knew this would happen.

  304. Shoot Kermit Gosnell is the biggest one but we’ll pretend it’s tissue.

    Now you know full well that’s an intellectually dishonest take on serial killer.

    Yes I named a couple of black serial killers off the top of my head too. Didn’t say they didn’t exist. But the perception that it’s a white phenomenon is not unusual.

    When you’re dealing with poverty driven crime on a regular basis you don’t have time to navel-gaze and do cray-cray.

  305. Fiorina is no joke. Research done.

    You’re religious bigotry has gotten annoying again. Maybe you can you work Palin and Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride into this? How about snuffing those viable fetuses outside of the womb to get good parts to market?

  306. If by “covering” you mean ignoring…

    I watch very little local news cos it depresses the crap out of me but the few times I watch I see virtually nothing but black thugs.

    They get loads of local coverage.

  307. Vietnamese walked into poverty blacks haven’t known for 150 years no more than two generations removed. If poverty drives crime instead of crime driving poverty as I believe, why aren’t we hearing about wave after wave of Vietnamese looting, burning down cities, assaulting whitey, etc… ❓

  308. Huck I’m pretty sure Nixon had an enemies list against whom he used gov agencies to harass.

    FDR wanted to pack the court. Examples of presidents pushing and/or exceeding boundaries abound. To say it “started” with Obama is ridiculous and you know it.

    We’re arguing over a silly point. I don’t challenge your prerogative to be outraged by Obama’s use of the executive.

  309. I loved Dr Carson. I think everyone else did well and either improved their standing or stayed the same except for Trump and Paul.

  310. That’s not what I’m talking about.

    Then what are you talking about? There’s a contingent that never liked PP. Then there are those for whom this selling of tissue was a tipping point. I tend to fall in the latter category.

    But as I’ve said I’m increasingly offended by their name alone. Abortion is what you do in the absence of planning.

  311. Bush is lookin’ good.

    I couldn’t disagree more Parker. In fact this debate was not good for any of the three front runners. Walkers poke at HRC was his only shining moment.

  312. “Does anyone else think Megyn Kelley, who I once liked, getting way too full of herself? She was a distraction in an otherwise entertaining night.”

    Agreed. I was annoyed. She was trying to make it about her.

  313. “Rutherford you were dead wrong about serial killers. Admit it and move on.”

    He’s not dissembling. He didn’t mean what he said again. You’re just nitpicking verbiage. wink 🙄

  314. You’re right, Rutherford. I watched some more. Bush is as bad as the rest.

    You poor bastards. Not a man among them fit to clean shit off a commoner’s boots. Each one falling over himself to make sure everyone knew that HE passed the two litmus tests: “I’m pro-life” (whatever that means), and “I’m a man of ‘faith'” – whatever that means, as well. Jesus fuckme Christ – are you people in a world of shit. Hillary Ramrod Clinton or one of these dudes from off the Clown Car.

    Want to hear from a real man – one with principle? Very dead, but very relevant:

    “I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do
    they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?”

    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”

    Barry’s spinning in his grave like a fucking turbine. Nobody but the hardest of hardshell ReThuglican base is going to vote for one of these idiots. Hillary’s in; god help you all. Nice knowin’ you … You’re right, Tex – it’s SO fucking over.

  315. “Then what are you talking about?”

    What I said.

    R, you’re not familiar with what the videos show or what how HRC, DWS, Pelosi et al responded, are you?

  316. I thought Bush handled himself pretty well. In fact, I thought he was pretty good. The problem for Bush is name and he’s on stage with the best politicians in the business. Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina (who should have been on the stage) are much more polished speakers. Huckabee is a great speaker and likable. I thought Walker was better than advertised. I was actually kind of impressed. Ben Carson did much better than I expected, though I shouldn’t be surprised because he’s an exceptionally smart man with the best life story of them all. Even Christie and Paul were pretty good – better than expected.

    The guy who disappointed me was Kasich, who is actually an effective politician. And Trump was Trump, who I thought looked totally out of place.

  317. Muffy when I watched the 5pm debate I said to my wife “not a Stockdale in the bunch”. All credible. Frankly I think the undercard may have been more substantive than the 9pm.

    I find that when given enough time, Rubio says something dopey. But tonight I thought Rubio was right on the money. He may have given the strongest performance in the main event.

    Any conservative robot could have stood in for Walker. Bush was boring, no passion, and verbally fumbled. Trump was, as expected, celebrity not real candidate. Not a good night at all for the front runners.

  318. “We’re arguing over a silly point.”

    Then why did you start the argument?

    I didn’t ask you about Nixon’s enemy list, I asked you which unapproved military actions he got us into and which laws he ordered to be ignored as a matter of policy. You obviously cannot answer either, which is why the argument is now “silly”. If the only comparison between Nixon and Obama is the enemies list, then you do not get the point as well as you think you do.

    Then to further your point, you are forced to go back even further than Nixon–almost 80 years–to FDR’s court-packing…which was unsuccessful, I might add. Unsuccessful power grabs do not equate to power grabs.

    You still have yet to provide a single comparison that meets the extent of Obama. And you were the one who offered to have a comparison. If and when Alfie comes to your rescue on this, I imagine the comparison will have to go back to 19th century Wilson to even come close to what we’re seeing today.

    I never said Obama started anything. I did say he set a trend, and the trend he has set is GROSS misuse and expansion of Executive power. He makes Nixon and FDR look like amateurs.

  319. I’ve watched that Carly video three times, and each time I’ve watched it, Chris Matthews looks more and more befuddled. And you want to tell me Carly Fiorina is “stupid?” LOL Chris Matthews was so stumped, he was left in silence and drooling. LOL

    And now they’ve got Debbie Dumbass Whatshername on FOX for more laughs. Rutherford, you can win elections by Balkanizing the country and capitalizing on the profound ignorance. But your party couldn’t manage to find their way home. You guys suck donkey dick.

  320. “Here’s how you handle a MSNBC stooge. I really, really like this woman”

    I would never vote for her for president, but I would support her for something like Secretary of State or Ambassador to the UN. She doesn’t seem to get crossed up. She knows how to stay on point and she articulates those points with effectiveness. I don’t think she is coming up with anything original, but she gets out her message quite well, and that I do like.

    She would send Katie Couric home in tears if she tried any of that Palin shit.

  321. Tex I honestly wish I had an airtight explanation for why other minorities have fared better than blacks without resorting to outright racism.

    I do think that coming here and being treated like shit is different from being kidnapped, and forced into slavery and then being treated like shit.

    Blacks and American Indians I believe have a very unique set of grievances against “whitey” that cannot be compared to any other minority here. I know you disagree.

  322. She would send Katie Couric home in tears if she tried any of that Palin shit

    Carly is not my first candidate of choice, but she is definitely in my Top 3 or 4. Ronald was the man, but I sure did like Margaret Thatcher too. 🙂

    I just believe this is the strongest group the Republicans can field. As I learned the hard way in 2012, America is incredibly stupid and shallow. Romney was about one trillion times more capable than the sham we’ve got now. But I also think America grows incredibly desperate. I don’t even think the best Republican candidate can save her now. But…

    If there’s a chance, it will come under Republican leadership. This feckless POS leading the pack now is a Soros stooge – the very bastard trying to bring America down. And Obama is half the criminal and thug the wicked witch currently leading the Democratic Party is. Worse, she is smarter than the idiot Obama. That makes her all the more dangerous.

  323. Tigre, Hillary said the video was disturbing but then returned to her “I support PP” stance. I don’t know what DWS or Pelosi said but of course they support PP.

    WTF are you arguing with me now about? I’m not defending PP nor our funding of them.

  324. Blacks and American Indians I believe have a very unique set of grievances against “whitey” that cannot be compared to any other minority here. I know you disagree.

    I don’t disagree your father had some major legitimate grievances. But hopefully over his last 50 years, he recognized things had gotten significantly better for both he and his son’s future. You have no such grievances, but you don’t necessarily on your better days use it as a crutch. Most blacks do, especially our age. I resent the black racism shown to me when I have done nothing wrong, and in fact have catered to be on my best behavior to your elders in the recognition these people were treated like shit and deserve respect.

    The behavior the last twenty years by greater Black America has been detestable. The double standards are equally detestable. It more than obvious this is being taught in the home, in schools, in churches. It can’t be denied. There are no legitimate excuses for millions of young blacks to act the way they do. None.

  325. Fiorina latched on to Hillary’s biggest vulnerability and it clearly disconcerted Matthews.

    Frankly, Fiorina outperformed Bush and Walker. Shame she wasn’t in the stage with them.

  326. Rutherford youre watching MSNBC arent you. Thats not intended as a gratuitous insult.

    Their coverage is bizarre. It feeds off of itself.

  327. I never said Obama started anything. I did say he set a trend,

    Huck come on. It’s a distinction with no difference. A trend setter starts a trend. And if we are really going to talk semantics, since there have been no presidents since Obama, he couldn’t have set a trend. Once HRC behaves like Obama, as she will, then we can talk trends and call him a trend setter.

    I still maintain the power of the executive has steadily grown over time. What’s dangerous is every precedent makes it easier for the next guy to be more powerful. Obama enjoyed some of the same executive power as his predecessor and built on it.

    If you believe that the average GOP guy will look at Obama’s audacity and willingly give it up is a dream. The average president embraces the power grabs of his predecessor.

  328. The entire MSNBC network is bizarre, I think. It’s an utter train wreck of a broadcast made up of carnies and rejects – some who look like had makeup applied by a road grater.

    You’ve got Matthews whose clearly over the hill and has lost that tingly feeling. You’ve got the racist $haprton, who I believe even most blacks are annoyed and embarrassed by and one that MSNBC can’t figure out how to get rid of, you’ve got Chaz Maddow whose caricature is beside the word hermaphrodite goonie, you’ve got the tampon earring dudette whose a militant pinky hater and imbecile and might have ten viewers including her mother, a couple of insane PP types probably harvesting organs on the side, a sissified dunce cap named Hayes who looks like he smoked one too many totem poles of love, and Crazy Larry Vesuvius, perhaps the biggest asshole in Washington. Hell, PBS found Larry too volcanic.

  329. Yeah Muffy I saw the clip that Tex is all excited about as it happened.

    MSNBC lead with Trump which was self-serving. Anything to distract from some of the others who had substance.

    BTW I think the Megyn Kelly misogyny question would have been 10 times more effective coming from Wallace. Seeing a woman scold a guy over misogyny is just too damn predictable.

  330. The only person in the Republican debates tonight who took a hit besides maybe Trump and the useful idiot, Democratic Lindsey Graham, were sitting at the FOX Debate Desk. Brett Baier was okay, Wallace was off his game and often came across like his old man (the smarmy routine), Megyn Kelly was apparently drunk and absorbing a massive dose of Valium before the questioning started as she did this idiot routine like some giggly sorority girl apparently caught up she had “made it”, first a scold and tight ass thereafter. I thought Trump was mostly a joke and still found the questions insulting. I was ready for the follow up when did you stop beating your wife? Did anybody really not know Trump was a cad with a cadre of trophy wives and eye candy besides Megyn?

    The FOX Debate Team on the afternoon panel was significantly better. They would have been far better off this evening with Martha Maccullum playing the lead female role. She was quite good.

  331. Muffy, since you have done some serial research, what do you think about Tex’s comment about Seattle and region owning 50% of the serial killers? I can’t find a thing to support it. And BTW, Nixon was not held accountable. He was pardoned while his “friends” and co-conspirators were tried, convicted and sent off to jail.

  332. I did find this,

    The U.S. state that has produced the greatest number of serial killers is New York with 137 separate serial killing cases. Falling in second is California with 128, then Florida with 112, Texas with 97 and rounding out the top five, Washington with 95.

    Even if none of the other 45 states had a single serial killer to add to the total, that would put Washington under 20%.

    Rutherford you were dead wrong about serial killers. Admit it and move on.
    Tex you were dead wrong about serial killers. Admit it and move on.

  333. “She would send Katie Couric home in tears if she tried any of that Palin shit”

    Spin, spin, spin. Nonsense. There was no “Palin shit,” except when Palin shit the bed. Couric asked straight questions that clearly revealed Palin’s understanding of the world at large. She didn’t know basic answers to basic questions. That’s not the reporter’s fault.

    Fiorina, OTOH, is informed. She is plugged into the world at large and understands how the pieces all fit together. Palin can’t even name the pieces.

    Having said that, I don’t think US is ready for another experiment.

  334. R – I want you to consider something: Sometimes it’s better to explain a problem wrong and move on than it is to agonize about “what really went wrong” and stand around wringing your hands. Case in point: electricity really moves from negative to positive, but before this was known, Franklin just settled it by saying it was the other way, and research moved on. It is still taught wrong in colleges and engineering schools; they just acknowledge and move on, rather than trying to correct 300 years of error.

    What if, instead of attributing black men’s bad behavior to some historical period ten generations ago, black “leaders” just took the Cosby approach and said, “None of that matters, son – pull yourself together. No more excuses.” EVEN IF SLAVERY IS THE REASON.

    Don’t you think it’s better, sometimes, to just man up, quit whining, making excuses, and get on with it?

  335. I agree, Fionna should be ranked higher, based on her performance last night. She does have more polish than Sarah Palin, but one reason Palin is in such low repute is because Democrats knew she was the anti- Obama and she had future potential. A blogger wrote he overheard two Democrats talking after Sarah’s nomination speech., “We have 72 hours to destroy her.”

    She was right more often than she was wrong. For example, the so called death panels are already here. As I wrote before, the doctor told our neighbor new rules suggest that if two people have a similar problem the younger patient gets treatment first. Our neighbor waited three days before he had surgery on his broken hip and arm.

    I think any one of the Republicans could beat Hillary in a debate. Her possible Democratic opponents probably feel the same way.

    Planned Parenthood is still mostly a Republican issue. A poll showed only a five percent increase in negative feelings. The liberal media has not been reporting the story.

  336. Tex you were dead wrong about serial killers. Admit it and move on.

    No wonder you’re an Obama apologist and waterboy. 😆

    I sent you on a wild goose chase, dummy, by making shit up by listing a handful of murderers? Granted, they were some of the worst.

    That wasn’t the intent but it makes me laugh out. It was to smack your ass by mocking your state, having noticed so many of America’s mass murderers come from that flower power of body funk you call home that you’re so proud. What are you? Paranoid? 😈

    How long did it take you to research that one, Hammer? Okay, I’ll admit I was wrong. 🙂

    And even then, what a massive condemnation of you lotus eaters in utopia. Notice anything else about the states you’re comparing yourselves too, Hammer?

    Okay. So you only make up 20% of the serial killers. You make up about 2% of the U.S. population. No offense, but that reads a lot more more like Charles Manson than the Gandhi state you want to make claim to. 😆 😆 😆

    I think I’ll make some more shit up and push you over the edge.

  337. ”Muffy, since you have done some serial research, what do you think about Tex’s comment about Seattle and region owning 50% of the serial killers? I can’t find a thing to support it. And BTW, Nixon was not held accountable. He was pardoned while his “friends” and co-conspirators were tried, convicted and sent off to jail.”

    What do I think? I’m thinking your research failed when you neglected to include BC as part of the region and instead compared stats on US states. The pig farmer did 56. I’m thinking I found “a thing to support” Tex’s claim within the first 5 seconds of looking. It’s called “Nightmares from the Northeast” by this guy –

    http://mikehammer.tripod.com/
    http://hammernews.blogspot.com/

    I’m also thinking that when I lived in Issaquah then Bellevue for five years that it was beautiful place on Earth, especially the Cascades and the Olympic Penninsula. And though I was not alone, there was a palpable lonliness, something almost eerie, in the air blowing through the tall trees at times.

    I’m not creeped out living in the city. It’s the woods that make me nervous. I always feel I’m being watched. shudder

  338. “WTF are you arguing with me now about? I’m not defending PP nor our funding of them.”

    I already said it. Not doing this again with you. If you really don’t understand, which I doubt, you are just an idiot.

    But loving seeing Huck fall into the Rutherford vortex of “verbiage” hell. wink LOL.

    Enjoy Huck!

  339. “Re: Nixon – resigning is accountability enough.”

    Nixon = disgraced, ruined and runoff.

    Obama = applauded, encouraged, gratified

  340. Based on my research I’m not so sure Tex is wrong.

    For one thing “region” is the same as “US states.”

    Rutherford, let’s go.

  341. NOT the same rather.

    Also something to consider is the number of serial killers vs number of victims angle.

    The pig farmer did 56. There was a liller in the 40’s or 50’s in the Seattle region that did 44.

  342. Something becomes more clear to me by the day. And honest to God, I can’t explain it without invoking something beyond the natural.

    There is now a level of such utter depravity and falsehood within the ranks of the Democratic Party these days, not necessarily those here but within most of the party at large, that I can’t even fathom how these sick souls could be that wicked, amoral and inhumane. The mindset is so twisted, the only thing you can compare some of the worst, is to the head loppers and history’s most brutal murderers. I can’t reason how a human being can reach these conclusions. I mean that. And if anyone thinks these folk don’t have a religion to themselves, think again. They’re zealots for the religion of self, leading to the conclusion of something akin to nihilism.

    I have my disagreements with you Rutherford and you Thor, but I never thought either of you evil. But the party you support is. For the life of me, I don’t understand how either of you can’t see it and summarily reject it.

    You’re either lying to yourselves, or perhaps you two are more twisted than I care to imagine.

  343. “If you believe that the average GOP guy will look at Obama’s audacity and willingly give it up is a dream. The average president embraces the power grabs of his predecessor.”

    I think I have made it sufficiently clear that I am seeking the one that is not average on that. If someone does not at least pay that idea lip service, they will not get my vote. And I am fully prepared to not cast one if that is what it comes down to.

  344. I haven’t stumbled on a candidate this go round that I can actually support. I considered Bernie a decent guy and thought just maybe he was going to bring something to the table that had real substance, but after more research I am not convinced he is any different from the rest of his colleagues.

    Here

    is legitimate criticism from one who would be in his camp if he actually better defined his intended solutions to our monumental woes.

    Meanwhile, we can entertain ourselves as the GOP contenders vie for that brass ring. 😀 America truly has become a carnival and we are all about being entertained.

    I don’t think Helleerie is done with Trump yet, so he will continue to compete. Cruz reminds mrs poolman of a mortician and though I do like much of what he says, he does have an elevated sleaze factor. Rand is too compromised. I don’t trust him. I don’t trust Walker. Not crazy about Jindal. I don’t like Christie. Rubio is too zio. Carson is smart, but I don’t think we are getting the full deal. Huckabee, Santorum – REALLY? Christian decor. Carly has potential, but will not be allowed to advance.

    There’s a way to go, but I still feel Jeb will end up with the nomination. And Helleerie. Unless climate chaos happens next month, as the french foreign minister made mention.

  345. There is now a level of such utter depravity and falsehood within the ranks of the Democratic Party these days, not necessarily those here but within most of the party at large, that I can’t even fathom how these sick souls could be that wicked, amoral and inhumane.

    I agree, but must expand on it:

    There is now a level of such utter depravity and falsehood within the ranks of the Democratic Party America these days, not necessarily those here but within most of the party nation at large, that I can’t even fathom how these sick souls could be that wicked, amoral and inhumane.

  346. C’mon Tex, that was a two second google and you know it. Wild goose chase? I don’t think so. And I was just going to let it go until you and Muffy started blasting R on his percentage.

    Based on my research I’m not so sure Tex is wrong – Muffy

    Looks like you’re sending the wrong person over the edge. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  347. No offense, but that reads a lot more more like Charles Manson than the Gandhi state you want to make claim to. 😆 😆 😆 Tex

    I claimed this was a Ghandi state? Now you’re just flat out lying. Stop it, you’re going to kill Muffy with all those homework assignments. 🙂

  348. Trump should have answered Meghan’s question about disrespecting the ladies with two words –

    Bill Clinton

    😛 Maybe it best to hold water before the debates with America’s smartest woman – who Carly Fiorina would/will utterly decimate and shame. I’m still probably a Cruz/Rubio guy if I had my druthers, and I lean Cruz because I find him a little braver about speaking truth by calling Mitch McDud a bald-faced liar on the Senate floor, but if they don’t find a place for Fiorina in a very high level position should they win, then the candidate is not serious about fixing what ails America.

    I listened to Ms. Fiorina several times last night and thought, “Now that would be an nut cutting Sec. of State.” Unlike Fat Fanny Red Button, Putin wouldn’t be able to pull the wool over that woman. Gawd only knows what Fiorina could do to some Supreme Leaders when she was through with them with the American military standing in the background. What’s the Islamic version of speaking in tongues? Wailing?

    I think I like her so much because Fiorina seems normal and genuine and she kind of reminds me of the really smart lady I wake up with who came out of college with innumerable honors and awards, and started as secretary in a male dominated world. Ten years later, they called her boss. The times I’ve been silenced and left blubbering with cold, calculated logic in a hay seed voice over 28 years have taught me some women have a special gift. 😈

  349. Research is my thang.

    You’re pretty awful at it, thor. But youre wicked with the emoticons.

    I wish my comment would get out if moderation. Rutherford lets go.

  350. I’m not a democrat. See if you can offer a better choice this time. Me and James already apologized to each other for picking what we thought was the lesser of two evils.

  351. I claimed this was a Ghandi state? Now you’re just flat out lying. Stop it, you’re going to kill Muffy with all those homework assignments. 🙂

    You being the pedantic type that in their second comment to me long ago, felt led to correct my spelling of Capitol Hill typed Capital Hill, I feel led to tell you if you’re going to copy my statements as material, please spell Gandhi right in your responses back to me. 😎

    It was the only thing you’ve actually helped me with that was informative.

    Now why would I lie to such a purveyor of Obama falsehoods? You want to diss my states? I will diss yours with my “anecdotal” observations I witnessed in Washington’s finest establishments: baristas of bad, overpriced, burnt coffee. $tarbucks defines you. LOL

  352. Research is my thang.

    You’re pretty awful at it, thor – Muffy

    Not really. Tex even admitted he lied. You’re still out there looking for the “truth”?

  353. Perhaps you’re not a Democrat, Thor. I’m not sure what Democrat means anymore. Perhaps you’re something worse. Like a Progressive – the lowest form of human excrement.

    Explain something to me, Thor. All seriousness now. No body funk jokes.

    How is that you, a man intimately familiar with the harshness of reality of complete dependence and frankly a man I can admire for his love as father, can justify yourself supporting a man you consider the “lesser of two evils” who has actually broached the subject of postpartum abortion and in fact has several times shown a carefree preference of choice at 40 weeks?

    The incongruencies of message vs. conclusions you reach bewilder me. You obviously are not a stupid man by any stretch. How is that you can lend support to a man who has by every definition of decency, demonstrated himself so profane?

  354. I didn’t lie. I captured the essence of the Progressive tactic of exaggeration and determining my own set of facts with hyperbole masquerading as hard data. Actually, I may start adopting more Progressive tactics. It’s so easy.

    To be absolutely honest, I’m almost shocked you bit. 😛

  355. OMG! You’re going for spelling now? I must have really hit a nerve. I only pointed out the capitol/capital thing at the time because I thought it was funny and fitting, like Poolman’s “feary” tale. I later learned how sensitive you were so I stopped doing it, even apologized, I believe.

    I’m having a cup of coffee and walking the dog.

  356. “You’re still out there looking for the ‘truth?’ “

    Im still out here waiting for Rutherford to approve my comment. Rutherford lets go.

    I found what you said you couldnt find, thor.

  357. I must have really hit a nerve.

    I think what has really happened is that I must have hit a nerve with the unrelenting mockery of body parts, ugly women, and the pointing out my “betters” shortcomings.

    Anybody that took the time to pursue disproving what was clearly an exaggerated swipe making fun of unfounded, arrogance, doesn’t strike me as the calm, cool and collected he wishes to portray. You falsely flatter yourself if you think you’re making me angry. An utter scam, traitor and asshole like Barack Obama being reelected made me angry. You? Not so much.

    I actually find you interesting outside of politics. Then I think you the smarmy, dishonest twist worthy of a virtual kick to the teeth. So you’re a dichotomy of sorts here in little backwater Tulsa, OK. 😉

  358. Thats spooky. I typed the name of the essay and the author on serial killers in the pacific northwest and my comment was again gobbled.

  359. I learned awhile ago there are some things wordpress will not let you post. There are some taboo links and subject that are strictly verboten. Just a reminder that we have limited ‘free’ speech in many forums. 😐

    As you have probably figured out, thor, correcting Tex is a no-glory full-time job without benefit or pay. I have noticed that if you can wait around long enough (think years), he tends to do much of the correcting himself. 🙂

    …now back to political piñata.

  360. Reminder –

    “Muffy, since you have done some serial research, what do you think about Tex’s comment about Seattle and region owning 50% of the serial killers? I can’t find a thing to support it.”

  361. “Huck, you’re on board with the secret bombing of Cambodia?”

    Did I say I was on board with that? Did I even say I was on board with Richard Nixon?

    I have made my position quite clear. My comment in reply to Alfie stated that I did not contest that the power of the Executive has been increasing for decades. I also stated in multiple comments that my statement regarding Obama was speaking to the abundance and rapidity in which he has done so. THAT, for the last time, is the “trend set by Obama”.

    I don’t like secret or unapproved military actions
    I don’t like attacks and intimidation of political opponents or press
    I don’t like policy orders to ignore parts or all of laws

    Barack Obama has done all of these things–some of them more than once, and more than twice. For all this talk about the past and comparisons, I have yet to see a name that meet all 3 of the above criteria even once, let alone on multiple occasions.

  362. 😈 English is Hard 😈

    We’ll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes,
    But the plural of ox becomes oxen, not oxes.
    One fowl is a goose and two are called geese,
    Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
    You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice,
    Yet the plural of house is houses, not hice.

    If the plural of man is always called men,
    Why shouldn’t the plural of pan be called pen?
    If I speak of my foot and show you my feet,
    And if I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet?
    If one is called tooth and a whole set are called teeth,
    Why shouldn’t the plural of booth be called beeth?

    Then one may be that, and three would be those,
    Yet hat in the plural would never be hose,
    And the plural of cat, is cats, not cose.
    We speak of a brother and also of brethren,
    But though we say mother, we never say methren,
    Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
    But the plural is not the, this or thim. ~ Author Unknown

    Ah, my mother and Facebook. To honor my father, I felt obliged to pass on these words of wisdom taught at my mother’s knee. I do love her so. ♥♥♥

  363. Rutherford you were dead wrong about serial killers. Admit it and move on.
    Tex you were dead wrong about serial killers. Admit it and move on.

    I think that’s the first time I’ve been sent to the dog house WITH Tex!! 😊

    Tex I’m telling you, we need to do a male Thelma and Louise! Partners in crime dude!

  364. Huck fwiw I respect the list you put forth although I indeed disagree with some of it. I know my perceptions could be seen as stressing nuances but I’d stand by them;however,I have no intention of trying to put them forth via my phone.

  365. Having said that, I don’t think US is ready for another experiment.

    Normally I’d find that obnoxious but in all honesty I don’t think US was ready for the 2008 experiment.

  366. Parker I’m of mixed minds on the “whining”. On one hand I fully get your point. On the other, I don’t understand fully how they let themselves get enslaved in the first place. They should have burned every plantation to the ground and killed as many white folks as they could. They needed Malcolm X in the 1600’s.

  367. “Muffy, since you have done some serial research, what do you think about Tex’s comment about Seattle and region owning 50% of the serial killers? I can’t find a thing to support it.”

    What do I think? I think you’re not very good at finding. I think you’re not so good at helping Rutherford as you think you are. I think if you’re in for a surprise.

    I’m not sure what happened with my earlier attempts but here are the highlights of my experience – starting with a 10 part Seattle PI series on serial killers in and around the Seattle area.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Suspected-or-convicted-serial-killers-in-1107863.php

    “The Northwest has a notorious history of these “prototype” killers — among them are Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer, who are synonymous with the term “serial killer.” Yet other, less infamous killers have claimed scores of lives across the state…”

  368. Not so fast Thelma.

    Hammerschlag’s “Nightmares from the Northwest” essay seems to be linkable only as a cached page so here it is in full. My guess is Tex saw this or something like it or someone discussing it elsewhere and pasted it over here to fuck with thor. Thor couldn’t “find a thing to support it.” Tex admitting to being wrong notwithstanding, there is support for his tease.

    What I want to know now is Rutherford ever going to admit that he was wrong – dead wrong?

    “When it turned out one of the snipers was from the Seattle area, I wasn’t surprised. About 50% of the world’s serial killers seem to come from a 200 mile radius around Seattle: Ted Bundy- 50-80 victims, Gary Ridgway (Green River Killer)- 55, Robert Pickton (Vancouver BC)- 54, Robert Yates-18, Willie Mak-13, Hillside Stranglers-15, Westley Dodd- 3 children, Randy Roth-3 wives, Kevin Coe-raped 42. Most cities have had a serial killer or 2- but Seattle/Washington has had a dozens. When I moved there 16 years ago, women’s bodies were being found in the bushes twice a week and it wasn’t considered news- buried on page C14.

    That was incredible- 100 murdered women a year. I wondered how long it would be before I was affected by a serial killer- 5 years, I thought. 2 ½ years later a friend/landlord’s son’s wife’s mother was chopped to death by an axe murderer that had terrorized the genteel historic district of Queen Anne. My friend had to go over there and clean up the mess. The killer turned out to be a pudgy harmless-looking panhandler that I had probably strolled by in the University (of WA) district dozens of times. My friend’s place, where I had stayed briefly after returning from expeditions, ceased to be a refuge when his traumatized son and wife moved in. They wouldn’t open the door when the doorbell rang and wouldn’t even allow the windows to be opened in 100 degree summer heat. Madness had come calling and it could return anytime. A year later the wife committed suicide. One night in my camper, I slept by the Green River where Gary Ridgeway had tossed his hooker victims in a 20 year reign of terror. It gave me the creeps- he was only caught this year, though 2 women reported him attacking them by ’84, replete with license plate. This rash of serial killers was dealt with by scrupulous denial- the only time I saw the papers really deal with it was when the Seattle Times published an incredible map of 10 uncaught killers in Washington State, each of whom had murdered over 5 people (1990?).

    One theory for the preponderance of monsters in the Northwest is the depressing rain, or drizzle, which used to be fairly constant from Nov. to April (but is less lately). But it is more likely the result of the massive homeless and alcoholic problem. Drawn by the immense beauty, mild weather, lax law enforcement, and great reputation; huge numbers of disparate characters are swept west and north; and wind up on the streets. Per capita Seattle may have the worst homeless population in the country: in 5 blocks of the University district one passes 10-20 panhandling kids; foul alcoholic derelicts sleep on the benches and urinate in public in the entertainment district of Pioneer Square. They are considered historic monuments and go unmolested- “Skid Row” came from Skid Road, where they slid the logs down the hill there into the frigid Puget Sound 110 years ago. But the casual acceptance of the homeless ignores their desperation, mental illness and occasional dangerousness. I was once assaulted twice in 2 weeks by lunatic street people.

    But there is something else: despite the surface friendliness and high intelligence, there is something missing from the character of many Seattlites- they are often shockingly treacherous, and amazingly blithe about it, as if they aren’t even aware they’re doing anything wrong. It’s no accident that Bill Gates and Microsoft, having grown up there, act in the ruthless coercive way they do. This may have something to do with the fact that huge numbers of Western Washingtonians are uprooted immigrants like in LA: in their trek westward they abandoned many of their moral principles. Coupled with the high frequency of mental imbalance, this cold selfishness can have horrifying results- as the disproportionate number of maniacs proves. Seattle maybe the most beautiful major city in the world, sited on a hilly isthmus between salt and fresh water; surrounded by massive mountains (on 3 sides), bays, lakes, islands; but it’s also a breeding ground for psychopaths.

    John Williams Muhammad, who grew up and was stationed in Tacoma (40 mi south of Seattle), showed many of the signs: growing mental imbalance, sometimes great charm and appeal, growing cumulative rage, periods of homelessness, Svengali-like manipulative ability, abusive anger at women; he was a bomb waiting to go off. What did the people he proudly showed his sniper rifle to think he was going to do with it in his random travels? Shoot ducks at county fairs? Had he not gone critical so long in DC, he could have killed people around the country for years with impunity, especially if he had gotten a silencer for the rifle. For the shell-shocked citizens of Va. and Md. trying to make some sense out of the random terror and death; perhaps this provides some answers.”

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ynRDhzFqR2oJ:hammernews.com/seasniper.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  369. Man….I feel so out of it missing the debates here.

    I’m voting Clinton. I need America to hit rock bottom before my kids enter the prime of their life, not during it.

  370. Jon Stewart Finale: 3.5 million
    Fox GOP debate: 24 million

    😈

    You picked a fine time to leave us, Jon Jon
    Hillary the Candidate and your lyin’ ass is gone
    America’s seen sad times, seven years of sham times
    But this time there’s nothing left to steal
    We need Bernie for “R”‘s heart to heal…

  371. James sorry but your friends doctor has zero idea if Obamacare is to blame for the younger patient getting care first. Every doctor, particularly conservative ones are going to blame Obamacare when all else fails. Odds are they either don’t know wtf they’re talking about OR if I remember your story correctly, their facility fucked up and they need a convenient scapegoat.

    Sorry. No death panels. It was and is preposterous and Sarah was and is a total idiot albeit a rich one as Tex points out.

  372. James, the lib media has shown the PP video. The sad truth is MANY people are unmoved by what happens to a fetus that doesn’t belong to them. Cold but true.

  373. Death panels are inevitable. It’s not preposterous at all. It’s common sense. Medical care is a limited resource.

    Good God, what do you think will be the upshot of your beloved 100% socialized medicine? The sugar daddies that you gravitate to, they will have to chose who dies and who doesn’t.

  374. The lib media has not presented the PP video as a scandal. I know, becuase I’ve been watching.

    Framing the video as an out of context anomaly and then showing the video doesn’t count.

    The story didn’t captivate the dead Zombie masses becuase the left leaning media didn’t want it to. End of story.

  375. I haven’t researched if the Human Events article posted by Tex is even factual but assuming it is the Islam connection is complete fear mongering baloney. You’d think after 6.5 years the utter bullshit about Obama being a Muslim sympathizer would stop. God that’s soooo old. Give it a rest.

    We have honored conscientious objection for some time now which is why I doubt if the article has any teeth at all. All this oath change does, if it isn’t some hoax your crazy uncle sends you, is formalize what we already do for ALL religious people.

  376. My answer is stuck in moderation.

    It is? I approved a msg from you yesterday I think. I don’t see another one. Once I find it I’ll approve it but nothing yet.

  377. Re: Nixon – Exactly, El Tigre.
    Nixon – held accountable.
    Obama – held high

    Yeah. Damn right. The outrage that Obama got away with covering up a robbery!!! Let’s listen to those Obama tapes to hear all about the coverup. 🙄

  378. Trump should have answered Meghan’s question about disrespecting the ladies with two words –
    Bill Clinton

    Never thought of that. Brav-fuckin-o!!! No sarcasm intended.

  379. “The outrage that Obama got away with covering up a robbery!!”

    I’m going to pretend you didn’t just sarcastically write the words “coverup” and “Obama” in the same sentence, because I have a feeling you weren’t thinking clearly when you wrote them.

  380. Some folks are more high maintenance than others.

    AND

    Nobody beats the government when it comes to killing.

  381. It is just one doctor, and I know his experience doesn’t prove much. I will ask my doctor the next time I see her.

    “Howard Dean Admits Obamacare Death Panels Exist, IPAB ” Is Essentially a Health Care Rationing Board.” Weasel Zippers.

    Steve Malzberg Show.

    “…and that’s something else on which the president was not fully forthcoming and straightforward. ”

    Malzberg “So you believe there will be rationing , aka death panels?”

    Halperin “Its built into the plan. Its not like a guess or a judgement. That’s part of how costs are controlled.”

    If Sarah Palin is so stupid, why did she know this when some of you didn’t? Yes Poolman, some people are more high maintenance than others. Thank goodness, my high maintenance status is confined to my love of storm chasing and restaurant food.

  382. Just finished “Kingsman: The Secret Service”. Damn! I haven’t had that much fun in ages. And there’s something there for Tex – an overzealous global warming alarmist!!

  383. “Malzberg “So you believe there will be rationing , aka death panels?”

    Halperin “Its built into the plan. Its not like a guess or a judgement. That’s part of how costs are controlled.”

    If Sarah Palin is so stupid, why did she know this when some of you didn’t?”

    James, that’s been known for a long, long time – any time socialized medicine has been discussed. Don’t quote me, but I think it was the head honcho of Singapore (Hong Kong?) who said that, yes, they had socialized medicine there, and you could open the flood gates for “free” medicine for all, but before you start, you absolutely had to have some way to limit access, or the costs would go higher and higher until they became unsustainable.

    I don’t think Sarah is a ‘tard, or anything – she’s average intelligence, and that’s fine. But to be Prez of US, you have to have a broad grasp of the world – and a kind of intellectual curiosity – and she doesn’t have them. As they say, “She don’t get out much.” She’s cute, has a GREAT butt, and is probably just a tiger in the sack, but as a leader, she’s at best a local politician. Unfortunately, the job of being Prez – even vice Prez – takes a kind of general information and well-rounded understanding that a local politician just doesn’t have.

  384. “On the other, I don’t understand fully how they let themselves get enslaved in the first place. They should have burned every plantation to the ground and killed as many white folks as they could.”

    Ah, good point. (I understand, also, that you are indulging yourself in a little venting of personal anger.)

    How a small number of people control a larger one is a huge topic. How do a tiny number of generals control more colonels, who control more majors, who control more captains, who control more lieutenants, who ultimately control a huge number of privates, and make them do horrific things?

    Subjugation can be a slow process – think about it: just off the boat, don’t speak the language, no food, no weapons, and a clear understanding of slavery and what happens to those who rebel, from seeing it at your home in Africa. Each step forward rewarded with a tiny bit of kindness and maybe a little more food; each step backward punished viciously. It’s not too hard to see ….

  385. 2008 wasnt an experiment. Obama was the best candidate the Democrats had since Clinton and McCain was the worst the Republicans had since ever.

    I’m telling you Rutherford people WANT to hire blacks. And women. Its dim not to recognize the power there is in that. You hold more cards than you think you do.

  386. That is absolutely right. I was so sick of cheney’s presidency, Obama looked like a rose. The petals blew away pretty damn quick after inauguration.

  387. You know, Poolman. I really can kind of understand that about 2008. I think McCain was the worst candidate I had witnessed since John Kerry, Al Gore (both dolts and jokes and time has clearly borne that out), then before that Mandatory Mike in ’88.

    But damn you guys, I know you’re better than to not recognize even in 2007, Jeremiah Wright, no record, voting present, shallow prepped speeches read from a teleprompter, the relationship with ACORN, Ayers, Dorhn, the obvious malignant narcissism including penning two autobiographies of himself, the supposed academia brilliance that was a lie and a ruse, the platitudes including the bewildering stopping the rising tide, no economic plan, the clear intent to massively increase government spending. Come on, now. Barack Obama hasn’t just become a charlatan. Barack Obama was clearly a charlatan and radical even before he overtook Hillary. Hell, Obama is clearly a bigot. Question. Did you guys suspend disbelief Obama didn’t hate whitey when he sat in the pews of Rev. J’s sermons for 20 years?

    I grant blame for Republicans not posing a decent candidate in 2008. But even as incompetent and mealy-mouthed as McCain was, you got to know he would have been less worse than this POS. At the very least, we wouldn’t have Obamacare and a failed trillion dollar stimulus.

    Yes, Sarah Palin is a lightweight. But Joe Biden is a buffoon, disgrace and moron. At worst, those two cancel each other out.

  388. Tex, you posted this.
    -About 50% of America’s serial killers come from a 200 mile radius around Seattle: Ted Bundy- 50-80 victims, Gary Ridgway (Green River Killer)- 55, Robert Pickton (Vancouver BC)- 54, Robert Yates-18, Willie Mak-13, Hillside Stranglers-15,.

    I called bullshit on your numbers, so you lied and said you made it up as a ploy to make me chase my tail. (See below)

    “I sent you on a wild goose chase, dummy, by making shit up” – Tex

    But then your girlfriend found the same exact words (see below) written by someone else. Still going to cling to the lie that you made it up? She still hasn’t figured out that you (or the person that you were stealing from) said 50% of serial killers, not 50% of serial killer VICTIMS, so adding 3 or 4 killers from Canada is not going to help your case at all. So much for the queen of research and her hero. What a couple of fucking bozos.

    “About 50% of the world’s serial killers seem to come from a 200 mile radius around Seattle: Ted Bundy- 50-80 victims, Gary Ridgway (Green River Killer)- 55, Robert Pickton (Vancouver BC)- 54, Robert Yates-18, Willie Mak-13, Hillside Stranglers-15” – Hammerschlag

  389. Listening to an old childhood favorite album – “Calypso” by Harry Belafonte. If you subscribe to Amazon Prime you can stream it. You can probably find it on Spotify too. Songs full of beautiful melodies, playful lyrics and lots of fun.

    Forget Harry’s politics and just enjoy the music. This played in my home growing up, all the time. As a kid I’d speed up some of the songs from 33 rpm to 45 or 78 just for fun.

    I was a pretty happy child. 😊

  390. Hard to believe it’s been two years ago today my own father passed away. Where does time go? Not long for many of us, gang. That’s a sobering thought.

    These anniversaries are hard. It’s sobering to realize how brief our stay is in the full span of time.

  391. Thor youre so emotional baby.

    You called bullshit on Tex and said you couldnt find any support for it and invited me to tell you what I thought of his claim.

    Right or wrong?

    (I did make the distinction about the victims tally vs the doers tally.)

    Have some chamomile tea.

  392. I’m voting Clinton. I need America to hit rock bottom before my kids enter the prime of their life, not during it.

    That’s actually one of the smartest things you’ve ever said Rabbit. Our kids can rebuild America and be heroes. 😊

  393. Death panels are inevitable.

    Before Obamacare insurance companies decided who lived and died. THOSE were death panel days.

    It amazes me that you can’t even concede the good parts of ACA.

  394. I found what you said you couldnt find, thor. – Muffy

    No you didn’t. You found the words that Tex made up, err, lifted or whatever.
    Yes, I agree, you moved the goalposts. But you found nothing proving that 50% of SERIAL KILLERS come from the 200 miles radius around Seattle, which was Tex’s errrrr Hamerschlagers errrr Tex’s original shot.

    Just admit you were both wrong and move on.

  395. Thanks R but can you unapprove the earlier comment? I repeated what I wanted to.

    Cleaning up the clutter isn’t worth the effort for me. Sorry you had to work for the extra comment. Usually they just go “pending” and I see them quickly. For some reason WP spammed it.

  396. Still going to cling to the lie that you made it up?

    Is that once or twice, Angel? I lose count. You really are burnt aren’t you that I had you scrambling for a retort? That amuses me. I suspect the reason your apoplectic is that you just got taken playing your game of propaganda. That’s for all the Obama economy malarkey you pass off as fact.

    Let me ask you a question, Bundy? If I’m a congenital liar as you suggest, how in the fuck did I even know to go look up the issue in the first place if I didn’t recognize truth be known, you live the heart of the most despicable mass killers in America? And why are you still pursuing it? Was that just luck on my part? Divine revelation? Random? I just recognized years ago, that hippie commune utopia you live in seemed to have an inordinate amount of women serial killers. So I googled the info and grabbed the first thing that came up, then plastered it in here. I don’t think I even read them. {snicker} That was applied to gig you in response. And apparently, you took this one real personal. One of them your brother, or something? 😈

    No, I didn’t make up the issue – it’s obviously real. You admitted it yourself. Washington State appears to be 10 times as likely to produce a serial murderer as the average state. I just googled the stats and plastered the first thing that came up in the white box. You provided the rest so I did the math for you, you being you’re a libbie.

    You’re accusing me of being angry and you’re still doing your Tower of Babel routine? 😆 You’re even more of a tool than the average Obama rube. Give it up, Lassie. This is no big deal. Lying to get Obama elected is a big deal.

    The clear conclusion is something is inherently fucked up about the greater Seattle area. And you take that personally. Well, maybe as a Lefty you should. It marks your mindset as failed.

  397. At the very least, we wouldn’t have Obamacare and a failed trillion dollar stimulus.

    McCain supports the war mongering that puts us in the red. Bin Laden knew this. As we broke the bank on the War on Terror, OBL laughed his ass off until we shot him in the eye.

  398. Hard to believe it’s been two years ago today my own father passed away. – Tex

    All nitpicky bullshit aside, I hope it is getting easier for you. It’s been a little over a year for me and R. I can’t speak for our host, but it’s still pretty tough for me at certain times. Birthday’s, Father’s Day, quiet times when my thoughts just go there. Heathen and pagan as my prayers might be 🙂 , I’ll say one for you tonight.

  399. @thor – what was I wrong about that I need to admit to now?

    You said you found nothing to support what Tex said and I did. Did you read the Seatttle PI link?

    I’ll remind you once more that you asked me what I thought of Tex’s claim. I guess if you dont want me to answer then you shouldnt ask me.

  400. Anybody that took the time to pursue disproving what was clearly an exaggerated swipe – Tex

    So I googled the info and grabbed the first thing that came up, then plastered it in here. – Tex

    “I sent you on a wild goose chase, dummy, by making shit up” – Tex

    So you exaggerated it, but you cut and pasted it, but you made it up? WTF?

    Your Jenga tower of logic is teetering.

  401. Heathen and pagan as my prayers might be 🙂 , I’ll say one for you tonight.

    Nice personal testament. And thank you. However, I was not close to my father as you were to yours, so I am sure it has not been as difficult for me as it probably has been for you. My concern is for my mom. It’s my mother I am close too, a proud momma’s boy, and tonight my sister, mother and I ate a nice meal, had a thousand laughs and some good natured humor about my father of which he would have enjoyed – all in the hope that my very strong mom stayed in good spirits. And I believe she did.

  402. Hindsight is 20/20, they say. We can speculate all night. The record shows Obama failed to deliver on his campaign promises. In most cases he has done the opposite of what he had promised. He lies, yet we still allow him to occupy the highest office in the land. They all lie. It’s fraud. Now it’s all a farce.

    The election of 2008 was set up entirely by the too big to fail banks and their propaganda sources – the media. They payed for both campaigns to both control and entertain us. Most of us were ready for the wars to end, but that wasn’t the real plan all along.

    Watching McCain suck up to the GOP and then screw the chance to act presidential was plenty convincing for me and most voters. I’d already had enough of him as senator. Then to add Palin to the ticket! Seriously? At that point for me it was never going to fly.

    You may hate Obama and what he has done to contribute to the decay of this nation. For me, it has become a loss of any kind of trust in politics or politicians. There is no integrity in the mix.

  403. As you have probably figured out, thor, correcting Tex is a no-glory full-time job without benefit or pay. – Poolman

    Oh shit. Now you tell me! 🙂

    Perseids next week, baby!

  404. So you exaggerated it, but you cut and pasted it, but you made it up? WTF? Your Jenga tower of logic is teetering.

    Was that before or after the prayer? 😈 I knew it an issue that put your community in a bad light, I googled, I cut and paste the first thing I found, I exaggerated the effect by leaving the 50% which I knew was probably bogus as it sounded a little outrageous, and the exaggeration was far more effective in intent than I ever dreamed.

    Then I took your own admitted 20% number at face value, took the number of people in Washington in proportion to the nation, did the math determining Washington ten times more likely to produce a serial killer than the norm, and used your own research to gig you some more. I should thank you because now we’ve established your utopia anything but with your effort.

    I’m not sure whether that constitutes one lie, two or three, as it doesn’t matter to me. All that is important now is that it has deemed your community witha massive detriment called life and death which can not be explained away by you supposed peaceful, easy livin’, groovy, hip dudes and dudettes with apparently a ginormous problem of ghouls in your midst.

  405. As you have probably figured out, thor, correcting Tex is a no-glory full-time job without benefit or pay. – Poolman

    I knew there was somebody Thor reminded me of with the whining and woefully exaggerated claims of knowledge.

    Poolman, I am going to be a friend and give you some of the best advice anyone has given you in your meaningless existence. Something to contemplate, something to share, something to take to heart.

    I don’t think you should be talking about truth or correcting anyone. 😛

  406. I guess if you dont want me to answer then you shouldnt ask me. – Muffy

    Did I say I didn’t want you to answer? You did nothing to support the 50% comment. It’s bogus. That’s all. Answer all you want.

    But youre wicked with the emoticons. – Muffy

    I’m not sure what you have against smiley faces but whatever. Do you hate puppies too?

  407. “Was that before or after the prayer?……….a ginormous problem of ghouls in your midst.”

    LOL

    Tex I would love to see you in a presidential debate.

  408. Did I say I was on board with that? Did I even say I was on board with Richard Nixon? – Huck

    I was responding to this question –

    “And which unapproved military actions did Nixon get us into?” – Huck

    I assumed that by asking it you were implying that the bombing of Cambodia was approved and thus, you were “on board” with it. If not, then my answer is simply, “The bombing of Cambodia”.

  409. Perseids next week, baby!

    Living in the city, the stars are not easy to see. That and they keep filling our atmosphere with what turns out to be nano particulates of primarily fly ash listed under some 150 registered patents. It clouds our sky before it eventually falls to earth.

    I need to get up to the mountains and spend a few nights under the stars before the end of next month if climate chaos is really real. There’s claim it will be a bit more exiting than the Perseids.

  410. I meant wicked as in super cool.

    “I can’t find a thing to support it.” – thor

    And I found the precise essay from which it was excerpted. Along with a few more damning articles saying pretty much the same thing.

    The Hammerschlag piece offered some interesting theories on the phenomenon.

  411. Was that before or after the prayer?

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    My spirituality was held up in mediation. 🙂

    I think the serial killer thing is actually fairly easy to explain. These people don’t view Washington or any other state as their home. They operate outside of human communities, even despise them. Bundy was no more a Washingtonian than the dentist was African. He simply saw it as a preferred hunting ground. Until he moved on to Idaho, Utah and Colorado. There are lots of places to dump the bodies out here. The winters are long and dark. The residents are fairly mellow. Perfect conditions for a wolf among the sheep.

  412. Thanks for the advice, Tex. Coming from you it really is… special. 🙂

    I’ll have mrs poolman get out her calligraphy pens and put that to parchment while I procure a frame and cut a mat. What color scheme do you suggest would be best for emphasis? 😀

  413. Living in the city, the stars are not easy to see – Pools

    Smoke is our problem, out here in the country. The whole damn state is on fire. About half started by lightning and half started by morons. Fingers crossed for clear skies on the 12th.

  414. R – Atlanta serial killer. I think you are looking for Wayne Williams.

    re: death panels. It’s always been done, but it is usually the family sitting with the doctor and his saying, “She’s suffered enough. It’s time to let Grandma go.”

    The idea, though, of a couple of administrative nurses and the hospital CEO sending the family a US PO certified letter that says, “No dialysis for anyone over 70” just doesn’t sit as well, somehow.

  415. I knew, and you didn’t know about Obama, Poolman because you were like the guests on the Charlie Rose show before the 2008 election. Tom Brokaw said roughly “We really don’t know much about him, even what he reads.”

    Obama hinted at what he was doing, and Michele spelled it out. They both gave subtle hints. One was when Obama told Charlie Gibson he favored raising the capital gains tax in spite of the fact it would hurt job creation. It didn’t matter because it was more fair.

    McCain and Palin for all of their faults would have been immeasurably better than what we have now. Romney could have saved us, but again ignorance and greed took us even farther down into the pit.

    Obama is so bad he helped create Trump, and before him the Tea Party. He indirectly destroyed much of the Democratic party and gave us candidate Hillary who reflects the minimized choices the party has now.

    We basically won the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in spite of the questionable strategy of invading Iraq.

    My niece and her husband served in both places more than once. At first, Obama took credit for successes he tried to prevent. Now, Obama has thrown it away. McCain and Palin would have done no such thing. We are worse off for not having two flawed individuals running the country than what we have now.

  416. Rutherford, you are reminding me of my reactions and feelings regarding Nixon’s demise. I had always supported the Republican party and of course voted for “Tricky Dick”. I think my faith in politicians/politics ended with him. Today I look upon our government with jaded eye.

    You put your faith in Obama as many did thinking there really would be hope and change only to find out he was as tricky, slick and slimy as all the rest. I feel your pain but look at it as growing pains.

    No politician deserves to be put on a pedestal. They are human and put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us. In today’s economy the best job security out there is to be an elected member of our government. Secure salary, health benefits and pension for life- those things are worth investing your time and money and if you are Trump just think of the deductions you get 😉

  417. Lyndon Johnson, not Richard Nixon began bombing Cambodia in 1965. It was done because communists were attacking our troops and fleeing across the border to their sanctuary in Cambodia.

    Nixon enhanced the bombing in 1969. He used B52 carpet bombing for the first time and sent them deeper into Cambodia than the 32 KM limit which was authorized. He kept the operation a secret, but I had hints. We treated B52 pilots in our hospital, and some told cryptic stores after telling us things like. “If you tell, I will have to kill you.” They were joking, I think.

  418. Perhaps its my contrarian streak but as the Obama era begins its final swing I find a lot of the exasperation and blame to be really moldy.

  419. The military operations in Cambodia were hardly a secret. There is something to be said about exactly what comparisons there are between Bush & Obama and their predecessors.
    Historically speaking the policies implemented by Nixon are very much in line with Obamas. Also the history of Vietnam & Cambodia was prescient to both Bush and Obama regards Iraq,Afghanistan,and Yemen.

  420. @ Huck curious if you could expand on your earlier points. As I stated earlier I disagree but that strikes me as too blanketed. Details would help me understand and explain my view if you care.

  421. p.s. to Huck…. People like to predict Rutherfords action in the booth. I got to say I’m pretty sure you’ll not be voting for POTUS ’16

  422. Sofia Jannok has no love for Obama, and that puts her ahead of many Americans who are still deluded.

    Aside from the fact that I share genes with her people, I wonder why they and Native Americans have such a commonality of culture and beliefs. Russian Veps, a related people call themselves white American Indians.

    We now know Indians have a large Eurasian connection with white Europeans, but why would they share a similar culture and beliefs after thousands of years? Were they in contact, or did they evolve independently?

    Andrew Slaton wrote “Transcendentalism, Native American Theology and Sami World view: An Interpretive Analysis of the similarities between three Independent World Views.”

    This and waiting for the meteor shower interests me more than Obama and the Republicans. They make me want to wash my hands frequently.

  423. Alfie, my understanding of the secret part of the Cambodian operation was its scope. The original operation was confined to border areas. Nixon sent B52s deep into Cambodia without telling most of Congress or seeking its approval. Nixon and Kissinger concealed the severity of the operation in part because we were not officially at war with Cambodia.The bombing caused damage of course, but a side effect was that it turned Cambodians against the allies.
    When the anti -war movement found out, there was Hell to pay. My wife and I were looking for an apartment for grad school the next fall. The protesters shut down the university and the Iowa National Guard occupied Iowa City to restore order.

    I agree, Obama was positively Nixonian. So is Hillary.

  424. Careful of what? – Muffy

    Sounding like a liberal. Thought that was pretty obvious.

    Bombings in Cambodia stopped once Congress found out about it. Why would that be if everyone knew about it and endorsed it?

    Ted Bundy was a Republican.

  425. “@ Huck curious if you could expand on your earlier points.”

    The points I listed are well documented, so I’m not sure what you’re looking for.

  426. ““And which unapproved military actions did Nixon get us into?” – Huck”

    Fair enough. That had slipped my mind. Unfortunately, I am a lot better with Medieval history than I am with modern history.

  427. “I find a lot of the exasperation and blame to be really moldy.”

    Of course. Any turd left unattended for long enough is going to grow some shrooms on it.

  428. “Sounding like a liberal. Thought that was pretty obvious.”

    @thor – Mm hmm. I think what’s pretty obvious is that you’re a bit slithery.

    “I think the serial killer thing is actually fairly easy to explain. These people don’t view Washington or any other state as their home. They operate outside of human communities, even despise them. Bundy was no more a Washingtonian than the dentist was African.”

    …….allll righty then.

  429. Ted Bundy moved to Washington when he was 4 years old. He attended college in Washington and lived there off and on (mostly on) until he was 27 years old and had committed multiple murders there.

  430. Bundy was no more a Washingtonian than the dentist was African.

    Painful, isn’t it? 🙂 Those mellow people living next to you tossing women into the river.

    He simply saw it as a preferred hunting ground.

    Finally something we can agree with. The predators always stalk the lame and weak.

    The winters are long and dark.

    Apparently, so are many of the people. 😈

  431. McCain and Palin for all of their faults would have been immeasurably better than what we have now.

    Like I said, we can speculate all night. Personally, I could NEVER vote for John. McCain would have us in more wars, if THAT is possible. Likely we’d be nuked by now. The guy is reckless and has no business being in ANY position of power. You’ve always had a thing for Palin so I don’t expect you can be objective there.

    We basically won the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in spite of the questionable strategy of invading Iraq.

    Does winning mean we killed more of their freedom fighters than they our invading force? Or is it a win because we now have control of their resources therefore our capitalist industries are the winners.

    As far as I can tell, we haven’t won ANY war in my lifetime. However, we ALWAYS spin it a win. We need it for our ego and to support the war machine. War is failure in the most extreme with truth always the first casualty. And they don’t end even when they do. You have been reliving your military battles as does every veteran I have met. People are still dying in Vietnam because of what we left behind. 22 veterans a day decide the battle needs to end and they take their own lives. The VA itself is a maze of managing mostly dead people until their hearts no longer beat.

    There is no honor in killing or destroying other peoples’ homes and lives.

  432. Tigre, I was frankly shocked by the accuracy of that New York Times opinion article. In fact, I think I could have penned that article (less eloquently).

    That is pretty much my impression and opinion of Jon Stewart. Out of his element, Stewart is pretty average off the cuff. I think the man is pretty bright, but not a comic genius by any stretch. Stewart’s show could be pretty clever with a cabal of professional writers, who could spin the mindless rubes justifying in their minds the worst caricature of conservatives (stupid, uneducated, illiterate, hypocrites, anti-science blah blah blah) that they’ve been indoctrinated with in the liberal arts. Stewart actually capitalized on Lefty ignorance, being the smartest Lefty in the room. I give the man credit for making a fortune.

    Stewart’s game is a lot like what the buffoon for cartoonist for the Tulsa World does. This dolt calls himself an equal opportunity disser – a bald-faced lie. He’ll take some relatively meaningless gaffe by Obama and make fun of it about once a month. The other 30 days are spent defending Obama by characterizing conservatives as dolts in the most extreme or exaggerated light, or wild exaggerations of Obama success. Unfortunately for that stooge, his audience is pretty limited as the paper continues to dwindle.

  433. Obama is so bad he helped create Trump, and before him the Tea Party.

    Go lightly there James. Remember “your side” insists the Tea Party started under Bush and was not a reaction to Obama.

  434. James, I can’t fault you. Most here are so blinded by ODS that they make outrageous statements. Had McCain been elected, many more lives would have been lost on the battlefield, the recession would have gotten far worse (since McCain proved in 2008 he was clueless about the economy) and then two years in he would have died from the stress and then …

    President Palin. Holy crap!

  435. Had McCain been elected, many more lives would have been lost on the battlefield, the recession would have gotten far worse (since McCain proved in 2008 he was clueless about the economy) and then two years in he would have died from the stress and then …

    The ODS is more than offset here by the OLF (Obama Love Fest) or OGS (Obama groupie syndrome), being Obama lost Iraq, almost a quarter of million Muslims have lost their lives in Syria alone from Obama’s inaction, 80% of the Afghanistan deaths of American soldiers have come under Obama’s watch, there has never been a real recovery under Obama in the economy going on seven years now, the stock recovery is clearly Fed induced with an influx of over $4 trillion and counting, and there is no empirical prove whatsoever that a failed trillion dollar stimulus which cost more than the entire Eisenhower Interstate highway System (inflation adjusted dollars) did anything but observe unemployment actually go up. 🙂

    I could go on and on and on, but there is no further need as Obama an utterly failed President and certainly America’s most divisive and lawless President in history.

    But Dear Rutherford, there is one thing I need not speculate about under a President McCain. I am absolutely sure the there would be far less racial tension and division had McCain, an admittedly stupid man like Obama, been President. And like I said, say what you will about Palin in conjecture.

    But there is nobody dumber or more inept in Washington with proof short of the Black Congressional Congress than Joe Biden.

  436. Tex, that piece I thought was pretty much a bulls eye, especially since I just returned from Boston and NY. Did you watch the Yoo interview linked in the article? It was like most of the discussions I have with the smug liberals — even the ones I love. Check it out.

    As one of the commenters said, “Stewart is satirist not a journalist.” But for the (ironically) soft intellects that comprise his audience and trained seals, he was their journalist.

    “Satire is a sort of glass wherein beholders do generally discover everybody’s face but their own; which is the chief reason for that kind reception it meets with in the world, and that so very few are offended with it.” — Jonathan Swift

    Liberals will not read or consider the piece, or do a little soul searching for the very reasons stated in it.

    The article appealed to me not just because it captured my thoughts Stewart but others we are familiar with as well. wink wink

  437. “Most here are so blinded by ODS that they make outrageous statements.”

    The source of the comment makes it really funny.

  438. Victory is stopping an enemy from doing what we don’t want the enemy to be doing. Controlling territory is another aspect of victory. For example. Afghanistan was a refuge and training area for al Quaida and its allies. We took the refuge from them.

    We vanquished the Taliban. We stabilized Iraq and even Obama declared a victory so he could throw it away. The Iraqi surge even had some previously hostile tribes working together. Neither war was won in the sense that we defeated Germany or Japan.

    But life was improving. National Public Radio reported the growing peace and the fear among many Iraqis that conditions would deteriorate after our troops left. Both countries represented unfinished victories.

    Complete victories were within our grasp had we committed an occupying force long enough to bring stability and to force the indigeneous governments to be fair to their people. Sometimes, the post war phase except for the dead, is more expensive than the actual fighting. If we aren’t willing to pay the price we shouldn’t bother.

    We did defeat the Soviet Union, in a protracted cold war. That is one victory you have witnessed first hand.

    I don’t have a thing for Palin. I do think she was the victim of politically motivated character asassanation by the same mob mentality which fostered black lives matter. When someone calls her stupid with no basis of support, I call him/her on it when I feel so inclined.

    I knew that Obama and his allies hated the America they knew and did what they could to destroy our country. They also wanted to destroy our position as strongest nation because they thought we didn’t deserve our power. They told us so. Anyone with a little time and patience knew what they were planning.

    McCain and Palin did not want to destroy America. They held traditional American values lacking in the borderline communist fascists who defeated them in the election. The United States would be a better country if McCain had been elected president. Palin was actually little more than a vice presidential appendage.

    I have an imagination and I can extrapolate. McCain Palin would have given us a much better outcome than we have now. Their records tell us so. Now, Obama’s record also tells us so.

  439. We did defeat the Soviet Union, in a protracted cold war. That is one victory you have witnessed first hand.

    Yes, I did witness first hand. I suppose it was our daily bread. The drills at school were fun. Those school desks were more sturdy than the twin towers. Looking back, it was more like an expensive and extended dick measuring contest. Yeah, we’ll be the biggest dick for a time. As for victory, we did balkanize them. That is our forte. Maybe an economic victory for wall street and the neocons and atlanteans. Did socialism die, or is that even what we were fighting against? Did communism not spread, or was that even what we were fighting?

  440. I find a lot of the exasperation and blame to be really moldy.

    I think that is shown in this thread where folks are putting that ooooold secret Muslim crap out there. That’s sooo 2008.

  441. I agree, Obama was positively Nixonian. So is Hillary.

    That’s not what Alfie is saying. He’s saying Nixon was positively Obaman. In other words there are, contrary to Huck’s assertion, precedents for Obama’s behavior.

    I’m probably the biggest fan of Huck on this board. He’s capable of unusual objectivity particularly on FP. I just think he let his disdain for Obama get the better of him and he overstated the case.

  442. So many of the mass killers were Democrats.

    Thor’s joke opened up a Pandora’s box of potential stupidity.

    Serial killers share only one thing in common. They’re all batshit crazy.

  443. James – no question McCain, had he lived, would have done a better job than Obama.

    Had he not lived, had his multiple cancers gone to his brain, or his 70-something year old heart given out, who knows what would have happened with Palin at the helm.

    Too many open questions with potentially lethal answers to have elected McCain.

  444. I will say this Tigre. I’m delighted by the debate surrounding Stewart. Anyone that polarizing clearly had impact. I didn’t see too many naysayers when Letterman retired.

  445. This may have been stated here already but the idea that you can fund PP and guarantee that the money is not used for abortion is preposterous. Money is fungible.

  446. I am absolutely sure the there would be far less racial tension and division

    I fully agree. With another same-old same-old white guy in the Oval, blacks would have continued to be complacent about their place and cops shooting blacks would be de rigueur.

  447. no question McCain, had he lived,

    Completely unsupported conjecture. McCain borders on unstable. One minute a prick, the next a stand up guy. You never know what you’re going to get.

    Parker, if you think “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” is a policy to live by, you ought to think again.

  448. You know what war policy I’ve started to embrace?

    No war unless absolutely necessary and once that threshold has been reached …

    DEVASTATING FORCE!!!!!

    There are only two ways to deal with the Middle East. Either mind our own business OR carpet bomb, colonize, and put in territorial Governors. That’s right, make Iran, Iraq, the whole schmeer, territories of the USA just like Guam and Puerto Rico.

    The Borg baby! Resistance is futile.

  449. blacks would have continued to be complacent about their place and cops shooting blacks would be de rigueur.

    You’re mother must have been aghast when you brought the cracka wife home the first time, hey? Man, I would have loved to have been a bug on the wall when Mrs. Rutherford met future Mrs. Rutherford. 😈 {chuckle} Gits dat gawd dam white bread outta tis houzz.

    So Trayvon™, Chicago weekend gang style murder, Ferguson, and Baltimore good. McCain bad. Okay. Like I said, there’s no denying Obama a massive failure, as you are so apt to be unable to refute even the easiest of proofs the Obama in 2009 was as incompetent and failed as Obama in 2015.

  450. Chit you’re/your.