Is America Serious Enough for Bernie Sanders?

As I consume my daily dose of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”, cohost Mika Brzezinski is, to quote Ed Grimley, “driving me mental”. She seems to want radical change. Get the money out of politics. Raise the minimum wage. Solve income inequality. Improve infrastructure. She seems to see only two alternatives: either Senator Elizabeth Warren enters the presidential race (which she won’t) or Hillary Clinton ups her game. And every morning I sit in front of the TV screaming, “BERNIE SANDERS!”. You see, the only major difference between Sanders and Warren is that he is actually running for president.

So why would Mika, a supposedly intelligent woman and author of two books about finding and growing your power, have such blinders on? I say because she is more caught up in personality than policy. Clinton is, to quote her old boss, “the one we have been waiting for”, the first real chance to put a woman in the White House. Warren would also fit that bill and she comes across as a far more genuine champion of the little guy than Hillary. Bernie, on the other hand is a slightly disheveled old Jew with a hybrid New England/New Yawk accent. An accent one part Kennedy, one part Jackie Mason. Get past the cover of the book and you find a firebrand advocate for the average American. Mika is not seeing it.

As goes Mika, sadly so goes the nation. Sanders, a self proclaimed democratic socialist, has warned us that this election is not a Mets v Cubs game. It’s not a soap opera. But that is what dumbed down America wants. They want sexy. They want sound bites. They want demographic boundaries torn asunder (despite the mixed results of boundary breaker Barack Obama).

Bernie Sanders is clearly the adult in the room calling for radical change and serious discussion. Most of America wants a celebrity. The biggest barrier to Sanders’ success is he wants to seriously lead an unserious nation, a nation so unserious they overwhelmingly endorse a candidate they readily admit is not trustworthy.

I will back Bernie until the end. Then I will bow my head in shame as my fellow liberals sign up for eight years of soap opera.

What do you think? The bar is open.

912 thoughts on “Is America Serious Enough for Bernie Sanders?

  1. Really R? To the end? You’re forcing yourself to defend him even if it is revealed he’s gone Hastert on us. Mull it over a little bit. You don’t have to choose your President during a commercial break. The show is going to be on for another year and a half. We know very little about most of these candidates yet. Let’s hear their ideas. Their plans.

    I watch very little MSNBC and don’t think I’ve ever seen Morning Joe (too early here, and I’m a night owl), but I think I can explain Mika for you. She works for a large media outfit. Sanders wants to break up large media outfits.

  2. You have blown my mind. I’m leaving now to pound my head with a hammer until one of them breaks – James

    Just when you thought you were starting to reel that R marlin in, he goes full commie on you, breaks for the deep water, ripping the pole from your hand.
    If it’s any consolation, I’m wagering the hammer will break first.

  3. A quick nod to the end of the last thread.

    First Tex, YOU are my partner. That was my point. Just because we disagree, doesn’t mean we don’t have more in common than not. Let’s improve this baby, not cut her in half.

    Secondly, G, I’m glad your primal scream helped. Your link to the productivity enigma is a bit alarming. ET doesn’t feel it but DR does, and I’m starting to lean in his direction. I think that’s why you saw the IMF wrist slap Yellen yesterday. I think that’s why you see confusion in equities today even though the 30-year has a pretty clear vector. Conventional wisdom seems to be pointing toward September. I would prefer August, when everyone is at the beach.

    But on a brighter note, unemployment and job hires both went up. Perhaps the job participation rate is starting to turn around.

  4. I’m a night owl.

    Funny Thor, so am I. Much to my wife’s dismay.

    My “commitment” to Bernie may be premature but I can’t imagine a better alternative at the moment. The controversial essay from the 1970’s is much ado about nothing, a very poor attempt at social commentary.

    Sanders will put progressives to the test. Are they willing to commit to the true ideals of progressivism, which are essentially socialist? Or do they just talk a good game and root for bought and sold Hillary?

  5. Sanders is a joke. No prayer.

    Of course we’re dealing with some that typed out the words, “So why would Mika, a supposedly intelligent woman and author of two books about finding and growing your power. . .”

    Yeah, the list or Bubbles’ accomplishments is staggering.

    She’s bright bulb among the retarded MSNBC crowd, I guess.

  6. Socialism fucking sucks.

    There are endless examples of the misery it brings upon a people.

    Re Thor:

    Schools don’t need more funding. Money isn’t the problem.

    Where would King Thor spend other people’s money at school?

  7. You can’t imagine a better alternative? I can.

    Lotta lives in the Finnish capital of Lapland. I have also met her. She is financially conservative, and she doesn’t blindly follow the crowd. She is also basically behaviorally conservative. She is an eighteen- year old foreigner but her qualifications are as good as Bernie Sanders’.

    I understand using Sanders as a foil to draw Hillary out, but otherwise, his candidacy is a joke.

    Your comment about Mika was the last straw. I am inflicting this video on you all because the straw did to my back what my hammer failed to do to my head.

  8. Lol….yes…I watched too. Although, I have no idea why.

    James, do you watch these vids while you shuck Iowa corn?

  9. Ha Ha ! I meant to disturb you as much as Rutherford disturbed me. I know he is a liberal, but that post was in another dimension for me. He briefly made me mad, as if he had betrayed us. This was the best way I knew to shake him up. I wanted a reaction equal to the reaction he made for me.

    Lotta and some friends visited our Historical Society museum and visitor center last summer while I was there . She told us about her vlog, and asked us to watch it. I tried to sell her a $10.00 membership in our historical society. She declined. Hers is the only vlog I watch.

    Would you like to join our Historical Society?

  10. Its Iowa corn, though I can actually see Nebraska from my front porch. Our daughter and her family live in Omaha so I now spend more time in Nebraska than I do in Iowa.

  11. So corrections are immediately in order. Let’s do the easy one first. Is Mika the brightest bulb in the chandelier? No, I don’t think so. Dismiss her as a total idiot, no I don’t think that either. She has opinions just like the rest of us and since she’s chosen to express them in a public forum she’s game for criticism.

    On Bernie, you guys are half wrong. Not a prayer? Absolutely. Did you even read my damn post? I as much as said that.

    But there’s not a prayer NOT because he’s a joke. There is not a prayer because liberals, as many of you have noted, are obsessed with identity politics. They’re also fucking cowards. Bernie’s ideas are the ONLY radical alternative. Everything else is the status quo and libs for all their lip flapping, are afraid of parting from the status quo.

    Rabbit, socialism a failure? Sweden, Norway, Finland and the Netherlands, all of them socialist to some degree and show me how it doesn’t work there.

    Obamacare a clusterfuck. Why? Because your “leftist” president never gave a passing thought to single payer.

    My parents both got free quality COLLEGE educations. Can’t happen today. Fuck that, my kid’s elementary school keeps demanding cash. Registration fee … are you kidding me? It’s a fucking public school.

    Our rails, roads and airports an international embarrassment.

    99% of the nations wealth in the hands of 1% of the people with no tangible benefit to society. I wouldn’t have to tax your ass if some of our richer SOB’s financed some private efforts to improve our infrastructure.

    O’Malley was slick Willie’s bitch. The idea of his running against HRC is a joke. Lincoln Chafee is a joke from head to toe (Iraq and conversion to the metric system). If Jim Webb gets in, it might get interesting.

    But for now Bernie is the only real alternative.

  12. James if you were attempting to inflict pain, you failed. I like Lotta a lotta.

    “Oooo, a bird.”

    Her English is flawless. I wonder if that is typical of Fins. Is English usually their second language?

  13. James, that was brutal, but she seems like a nice kid. I thought “isn’t this thing about over” but when I looked down it was the 1:53 mark. I couldn’t go on.

    What do I get for my $10?

    King Thor is all about smaller class sizes. That might mean building more schools and/or fixing ones that are falling apart. More teachers, more good teachers and far less administrators. I think education is best administered at a local level. I have said here before that I would have no problem doing away with the Dept. of Education. I think the Federal gov’t has a role to play in providing good physical environments for education, but other than that, it is a local issue. Funding, curriculum, those are community issues. If I recall, the Constitution mentions providing a public place or something to that effect.

  14. If I recall, the Constitution mentions providing a public place or something to that effect.

    Careful there, Sparky. Only conservatives get to quote the constitution. 😬

  15. Thor. You need to raise local taxes. Your community probably disagrees.

    Or…..cut a bunch of bull shit out of the educational budget. Trust me, its there. Big time.

    Have you gone to school board meetings?

    Hell…get on the school board.

    Or are you like Rutherford. No civic virture outside of demanding it from someone else.

  16. Federal money is like dropping a Sam’s Club pallet from a helicopter on a starving man below.

  17. Funny Thor, so am I. Much to my wife’s dismay. – R

    I’m rarely asleep before 1 am, my wife is rarely up past 11:00pm. It works for us.

    I hope Bernie pulls Clinton to the left (that ought to produce another James video). But he’ll never raise the money to beat her.

  18. For Ten dollars, you get access to the meetings, and you get a quarterly news letter with historical articles and county economic development information. Readers are encouraged to write their own articles. People who find and defend historic sites like old pumps, bridges or building sites, can be recognized by the society with a plaque and notation in the news letter.

    Sometimes, the director of the visitor center organizes an annual bus day trip to historic sites. One way station was the Templeton Rye distillary. Templeton Rye was one of Al Capone’s favorites. We all took samples. Some of my distant relatives had a business connection to the Capone organization, and his brother was the marshal of a town across the river in Nebraska. He shopped in Iowa.

    The tour director also had the passengers test locally made wine with a lot of chocolate. Another field trip was to the Clay County Fair in Spencer near the Minnesota border.

    I am the president. A new member might eventually be able to become a voting board member and let me retire sometime.

    Last year, three sisters aged 86 to 93, asked if some one could give them a tour of the county one last time. They left for California during the Depression. Since they are Historical Society members, my wife and I gave them a grand tour. It would be harder to do now that our grand daughter is with us so often.

    I liked Lotta, though she was a bit shy. I don’t understand how a foreigner could pass up such a great deal as membership in our historical society.

    My wife has about 36 years of teaching experience, much of it in the same school. She would say what Rabbit wrote. By all means, get on the school board and educate yourself about school issues. Too many school board members don’t know what is happening and tend to defer to the school administration,.

  19. Thor. You need to raise local taxes. Your community probably disagrees.- DR

    First of all, my school district is in good shape. Bond measures pass here without a struggle. The only levy to fail in many, many years was tanked by very heavy last second on air and mailer ads funded by two real estate developers that weren’t even from the area. That was quickly remedied. And the voters of this state authorized funding for smaller class sizes which the state has yet to put into action. Roving teacher walkouts are happening across Washington as a result.

    But there are clearly parts of the country that don’t have the same financial resources.

    Secondly, your comments about involvement are laughable, but since we really don’t know each other, they are also understandable. I would probably assume that about most people too, because frankly, it’s true, they bitch but they don’t get involved. But for the record, we are very involved. They know us by our first names at the district offices. I have probably sat in over 30 meetings with vice-principals, principles, assistant directors, department heads, assistant superintendents, and other blah, blah, blah district officials. My wife is one of the officers of the local special needs PTA. She has spoken more than once on the floor of the State Legislature in Olympia on education issues. We often find ourselves in rooms with a big table and about a dozen people sitting across it.
    What’s sad is you sit in that room and there’s only one other person you truly trust, the one sitting next to you, but that gives you great clarity. And that’s one thing the others don’t have. They know which parts of the conversation are relevant to them at a CYA level, but they have no commitment to their colleagues in the room, or what they are professing. It’s a struggle to even get them to identify their role or who is in charge. But it’s worth it.

    Involved? We own that place.

  20. “I don’t understand how a foreigner could pass up such a great deal as membership in our historical society.”

    I’ll join.

  21. Thor, just to be clear: as the eventual nominee of the Dem party, Sanders is a dead man walking. I know that. I don’t care if he “pulls Hillary to the left”. She shouldn’t need pulling and if she shifts, she’s an opportunistic liar. I’ll root for Bernie because he is who he is.

  22. So why would Mika, a supposedly intelligent woman and author of two books about finding and growing your power, have such blinders on?

    By design. That is the intent. Are you persuaded you know the real Mika? She has a role to play. No one in media wants Sanders thought of as a serious candidate. The serious have been set aside and ridiculed by the media for decades. It is how we do politics in America. Only groomed and comely psychopaths are allowed to play.

  23. Stand on Bernie, Rutherford. Stand firm. We’ll see if you can hold out. I held out for Ron Paul and cast my vote to the wind, but damn it felt good. I don’t think it matters who the front man for either side is, we all get served the same shit sandwich from the system. Culturally, we are too far removed from reality to have any real security in any of our institutions. I think we need to strengthen local community and f**k the fed. National elections are rigged. Hell, everything is rigged.

  24. I had to chuckle just now. Chris Matthews said the bright side to the higher unemployment figure was it meant more people were looking for jobs. LOL 😂

  25. Thank you Pools. I thought of you and Ron Paul earlier today.

    Bernie will never be accused of giving pretty speeches like Obama was. Bernie is a real threat to the PTB. So long as he was just one vote in the Senate from an afterthought state like Vermont no one cared … he was the eccentric socialist they could pat on the head and ignore. Now they have to deal with him and they will marginalize him at every turn. Hell, they’re already doing it.

    He won’t beat Hillary but that won’t stop me. He’s now provided me with a means to vote my conscience November 2016.

  26. “Careful there, Sparky. Only conservatives get to quote the constitution.”

    I think we’re safe.

    What the fuck are you talking about, Thor?

  27. Give us a break. Col. Sanders will drop out and you’ll vote HRC for some made up reason.

    Thor’s already committed to it which is fucking breathtaking. . . not really. Par for the course.

  28. Tigre why are you so desperate to box me in? I am declaring here and now I am not voting for HRC nor that slick SOB John Ellis Bush Bush.

    Furthermore, Sanders will not drop out before the IL primary. That will be the FIRST time I vote for him.

  29. Speaking of Col. Sanders, there is an ad playing in my market with an actor claiming to be Col. Sanders – who has long since been dead. I find the ad offensive and disrespectful.

  30. “Tigre why are you so desperate to box me in? I am declaring here and now I am not voting for HRC nor that slick SOB John Ellis Bush Bush.”

    ‘Cause your allegiance to the party supersedes your conscience. Your identity is tied to it. And I’ve witnessed the election time sophistry in action.

    R, Id also wager a hundy that you’ve never read the constitution all the way through in your life.

    If you have, what was Thor “quoting” (though I think you meant citing)?

  31. Since we need departure, especially after James’ creepy corn husking, I had meeting years ago with a lawyer at AFC (Americas Favorite Chicken). The hold Seattle’s Best Coffeee, CinnaBon, and Popeyes and Churches (and some others, Mrs. Winners). They had all that shit spread out on the conference room table for 4 of us. It was weird. I didn’t eat any of it because it seemed too surreal and I was concerned there was some mind control drug they could activate after I left.

    But anyway, it was only then that I realized their marketing technique, at least with the chicken) is to give the appearance that the stores are competing when they’re really not.

    Down here, Popeye’s and Churches are almost always across the street from each other. Winners is always lurking too.

  32. I looked. It wasn’t Mrs. Winners. But I know there was a third at the time.

    R, you’re black. You should know. Which one was it? 😆

  33. If you have, what was Thor “quoting” (though I think you meant citing)?

    I wavered between quoting and citing.

    You’re right. I’ve never read the ENTIRE constitution. I’ll make that my end of summer goal. Very little excuse not to.

    Allegiance to party had very little to do with my 2008 and 2012 votes. The first was a vote for Obama, the second a vote against Romney.

  34. It wasn’t Mrs. Winners. But I know there was a third at the time.
    R, you’re black. You should know. Which one was it?

    A wise man once told me Google is your friend. 😊

  35. Dang rutherford. Just when I think you might be coming around a bit, you drop this load.

    It’s not you support of Sanders. He is a joke. It’s this single payer garbage.

    Rutherford, the VA is single payer. People are dropping dead from the gross incompetence. Now you want expand that incompetence 100 fold.

    You are utterly insane. Not a bad guy, but so ignorant, to be a danger. Good gawd, you people are lost. And damn you are a dreamer.

    Thor, this is an example of why I am tired of trying to reason with the Left. How could I in good faith? A complete waste of time.

  36. You’re over 50 and you have honestly NEVER read the entire constitution???

    If I did I sure don’t remember. I have to think as a youngin’ I read the Bill of Rights. Back then I have to think I read the Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address but I’ll be damned if I remember exactly when.

    Crap, imagine if I HAD done drugs back then. LOL

  37. In fact when BiC refers to the Federalist Papers I have to remind myself it wasn’t a 1960’s rock band.

    Speaking of 60’s Rock, Bloomberg TV plays Time/Life music collection shows late at night and I was just sitting here marveling at just how much better the music was back then.

  38. So Tex, today at the “gym” they put me on the treadmill, something I warned them not to do. When my heart got up to 140 after 30 seconds somebody on the side of the room by the monitor said “140, stop him”. I swear they’re gonna kill me.

  39. And damn you are a dreamer.

    When you stop dreaming you perish.

    But you know, getting back to that 60’s infomercial for a minute, I watched all those bands singing about love and peace and then reminded myself how high they were – and how so many ended up dead – and I thought, shit the summer of love was just an illusion.

    I guess that’s the way you folks felt when you witnessed Occupy.

  40. Thor’s already committed to it which is fucking breathtaking. . . not really. Par for the course. – ET

    No shit? When did I say I was committed to voting for Hillary?

  41. “calling for radical change and serious discussion”

    Gee, where have we heard this before?

    It’s pathetic that the Democratic bench is so weak these are the best options they can come up with.

    Rutherford, exactly how many rich people does Sanders have to tax to pay for all of his radical change?

  42. She shouldn’t need pulling and if she shifts, she’s an opportunistic liar. – R

    You have heard of the Clintons before, right?

    The difference between Gov. Romney with a pro choice stance and mandated health insurance and Presidential candidate Romney, pro-life and anti-mandate was due in no small part to the dynamics of the Republican primaries. That’s no hit on Romney, it’s just the way politicians operate, to make deals and further their careers. That’s why I see little virtue in most of them. I think the best Sanders can hope for is to sway her on some issues. At least those issues might start to be discussed. Network/cable news and pundits are not the only game in town, just the biggest.

  43. James, I really enjoy the whistle stops on your train of thought.

    I would pay the $10 if I could figure out how to do it and receive the newsletter anonymously. Maybe you should start a PAC.

    Have you ever read the book Dewey? It takes place in Spencer.

  44. No shit? When did I say I was committed to voting for Hillary?

    Thor, you obviously need a reminder of the rules around here.

    1) Only conservatives get to CITE the Constitution.
    2) Anyone who leans even slightly left WILL definitely be voting for Hillary Clinton

  45. Thor, you obviously need a reminder of the rules around here. – R

    LOL. But you forgot number 3, no emoticons! (I so wanted to put a smiley face there)

  46. LOL Huck we tend to be of similar minds on FP but we always part ways domestically. I’m pretty sure Bernie has a complete tax overhaul in mind, not simply a hike on the rich. And I’m not sure you’re grasping the math on this one. Bernie’s got no problem with folks making six figures. Hell, he’s not upset about millionaires. He’s talking about the 1% who have most of the wealth.

    Think about that. Millionaires are not even getting a “fair” piece of the pie. That’s how insane it has become.

  47. Off topic but I’ll toss it out.

    Is anyone a bit put off by the Dennis Hastert coverage? I’m bothered that the dude did this stuff as a private citizen, covered it up with hush money as a private citizen, but is being raked over the coals in public as though this all happened when he was a public servant. Quite frankly, if he wasn’t screwing male interns while in Congress, or paying anyone to shut up about it while he was in Congress, then what business is it of ours? Does it show some hypocrisy while he was busy impeaching Clinton? Sure. So what? Congress is full of hypocrites.

    Don’t get me wrong. If Hastert molested high school kids, he deserves to share a spot in Hades with Sandusky (although I think the latter liked his younger) but I still find the fascination with this 40 year old crime a bit morbid — and I sense some liberals are barely able to hide their glee about it.

  48. If we’re gonna get our bowels in an uproar over Sanders’ take on income inequality, then how do you explain Rick Perry and his new found economic populism? If I’m not mistaken Carson is talking flat tax. Another candidate (maybe Cruz but I don’t remember) is talking “fair tax” (which I think differs from the flat tax).

    My point is, economic populism has finally arrived as a universal concern. So let’s not beat up Sanders as some outlier on the topic.

  49. Regarding the weak democratic bench, Huck, I know you’re no fan of lib pols but if you had to name a democrat, who do you think would be better than the crew we’ve got (assuming Jim Webb enters the race)?

  50. “If you have, what was Thor “quoting” (though I think you meant citing)?”

    Come on R. You snickered and did a fist bump with Thor. You even blew it up at the end. What was he talking about?

  51. R –
    Jim Webb is probably the best man in the whole race. Warren’s not running. You can eliminate the entire Democrat field with a sweep of the hand otherwise. The ReThuglicans can’t get their minds off regulating women’s hinter parts long enough to attack the country’s real problems, so a hand-wave to that whole crew as well – except, maybe, for Scott Walker and Kasich. Kasich did a great job in Ohio, but has no control over his mouth. Walker might be fine. Ron Paul is not electable; he has refused to kiss the appropriate organs on both sides of the aisle.

    That leaves Webb. Of course, he has not been anointed by the DNC, so his chances are nil.

    A pretty dismal race, really. The major question for U.S. is whether it will survive.

  52. if you are serious, rabbit we would love to have you as a member. I would have to check with our treasurer to be sure she didn’t mind if I posted her address here. We had great plans for energizing the historical society, and the news letter is one project which survives. My wife and I just don’t have enough time to do much now that we have devoted most of our current lives to our grand daughter.

    Thanks thor.

    I haven’ t read the book about Dewy the library cat, but Sioux City television stations ran stories almost every year, and they mourned his death. I should read the book.

    You might be interested in reading Mackinlay Kantor’s “The Spirit Lake Massacre”
    People were starving in one of the worst winters since Europeans had moved into the area. incapaduka became the chief of a small band of Sioux Indians after whites murdered his brother. At first, they robbed corn cribs and the whites took offense. Conditions were so bad, the weather and desperate people wiped out the deer and elk herds. None were around again until after 1900. He and his warriors systematically killed most of the settlers in the county. (about 40) after a group of settlers threatened the Indians and ordered them out of their county. Some of the homesteaders fought to the end.

    At first, he had tried to follow the law, but the murderers of his brother had fled to California and were hard to find. The county attorney put Inkapaduka’s brother’s head on a stake outside of his house, and it led the Indian chief to suspect the court system was rigged, just as some blacks think they are getting a raw deal now..

    They kidnapped young Abby Gardener after she watched them kill the rest of her family. For example, they smashed a baby’s head against a tree to kill her. She and three other women were ransomed from South Dakota by the Minn. legislature.

    Years later, she bought the old cabin, put a wall around it and for a fee, she let people in to hear stories of her captivity. Her life was troubled, probably from post traumatic stress syndrome. It was one of Iowa’s first major tourist attractions.

    Inkapaduka became the Osama bin ladin of his time. He was like a ghost who led attacks and faded away before anyone could kill him. One of his greatest exploits was participating in what we know as Custer’s Last Stand. He died of old age in Canada.

  53. i like Lotta too and have kept in touch, Rutherford.

    Most Fins also speak Swedish and have cultural connections,with Sweden though they don’t like each other. Fins still remember when Swedish scientists declared as Al Gore did about climate that the science was settled, Fins were Asian and not European. As foreigners, they didn’t deserve the rights of Europeans.

    Many people also speak Russian. Over half of the Fins speak some English.

    . Lotta took English classes of course, but she taught herself a Midwest accent by watching children’s cartoons and other shows. She was an exchange student in Alabama and also picked up some southern speech patterns. She is a natural blond with red tints, but she dyes her hair dark or red to distinguish herself from a sea of blondes.

    She likes the United States and her first choice was to find a university here. She can’t afford the cost. She would like to attend medical school.

    I think Lotta has a touch of attention deficit disorder. Talking to her was like visiting with a man we met on an old blog when we were in California. . He definately has wandering attention. In the middle of a conversation, he stopped and said “look at that sea gull.”

    The German wife of one of our teachers taught herself as Lotta did to speak better English. She watched kids shows.

  54. “The ReThuglicans can’t get their minds off regulating women’s hinter parts long enough to attack the country’s real problems”

    False. It’s the baby in the womb. Your lies remind me that the cause is just.

    You can disagree with that all you want. But the very essence of the debate is that there is another body in the womb.

    Of course you know this, so that makes your comment boring bigotry.

    Of course I’m just part of the Bible thumping ignorant crowd, aren’t I.

  55. @ Rutherford I said in an earlier thread I could vote for Webb.
    @ Thor you strongly implied you felt HRC was the best thing going ergo you’d be voting for her.
    @ R a good argument presented in your post. I think you miss one possible angle though. Its early still but just because a candidate brings up serious points does not in fact make him a serious candidate. I think that is what best describes Bernie rapidly followed up by #2 his far left socialist platform. It works in many places and contrary to conservatives talking it down could work here. The history of the USA has fired with these populist socialist themes before and will do so in the future.
    @ Anyone As I put forth in my post The New Balance of We the People the USA needs to step up extra large like on PPP’s. Public Private Partnerships is the future for our infrastructure,education and common space developments. It astounds me that such a good idea routinely is pilloried from both sides of the “stuck in the 19th & 20th Century” aisle.
    @ Rutherford again….as I alluded to earlier economic populism is not new to the American scene. The days of us not forgetting our history clearly hasn’t come to pass.

  56. Yes, the Dennis Hastert case is a political attack. My understanding of it is he was paying blackmail money and hiding it.

    In a related development, the New York Times reported that Marco Rubio and his wife had seventeen or so traffic tickets over the past twenty years. His wife earned fourteen of them. A blogger discovered it wasn’t the New York Times reporting at all. The information came from a Democratic group.

    Nebraska is debating voting to recall the recent legislative vote to kill the death penalty. Several organizations perporting to be conservatives opposed to the death penalty are actually funded indirectly by George Soros. Twitchy reports that Soros is funding Democratic voting lawsuits.

    I take issue with only one of Parker’s comments. “Womens hinder parts.” I don’t know exactly what you mean. If you mean restricting abortion after 20 weeks, I support that. Babies of that age can feel pain and a few can survive after birth. It may not be a major problem for the US, but it is a real problem for the baby.

    That Democrats could refuse such restrictions means they are too stupid and ignorant to recognize scientific fact, or their malivolence extends to infanticide for political gain. I tend to believe they feel as little concern for tiny babies as they do the welfare of our troops ala the Slow Bleed.

    I like the latest videos.

    Bernie Sanders says we should be more like Scandinavia. Scandinavia is more of a welfare state than a full blown socialist region, They give businesses more freedom than the US does.The United States is larger and more diverse than Scandinavia is. its true we also have strong socialist features, but for Sanders to say we should become Scandinavia reflects his ignorance. Either his ignorance is showing or he is depending on the ignorance of others.

  57. People are afraid of socialism here just like middle Easterners fear democracy. The term is pejorative in America I’m sure it’s due to ignorance rather than a carpet bombardment introduction.

    Any form of required community participation is poo-pooed in America where profit rules the day. Why should I share my abundance with you if I can sell it and gain more than I can ever expect to use? Greed is the main motivator in this country today. People operate out of a mentality of scarcity that fosters the attitude: “I’m gotta get mine before all the getting is gone!” This attitude by supposed adults in the room leaves little by way of encouragement for the next generation. Dog eat dog. Rat race.

    You can achieve anything* you want in America, home of the free** and the brave***.

    *anything applies to what can be obtained by purchase
    **free is actually a ‘free range’ concept and only applies to tagged and compliant livestock
    ***brave as long as we’re behind the weapons’ sights rather than in the crosshairs

    *

  58. I’m probably more in favor of Sanders than against him. I cannot agree with all of his positions, but as an actionable and outspoken non conformist, I have to give him kudos. Though I do not think he will get the party’s nomination, he will affect the campaign in a positive way. The media is already giving him the Ron Paul treatment, which only means he is a threat to the status quo.

    I cannot get behind any of the other candidates at this point. I don’t trust Rand Paul, but he would be my next choice if I do actually vote this next cycle. This assuming the nation still intact for the 18 months until Nov 2016.

  59. @ Thor you strongly implied you felt HRC was the best thing going ergo you’d be voting for her. – R

    Ok, this has to stop right now. I’m not even through reading the new comments, but I’m going to take the time to respond. Where did I strongly imply this? Produce the line so I can defend it or stop saying I said it. I’m not trying to be “tough” Alfie. This reaction is actually because I respect the fact that your answers, above most everyone here, are not knee jerks.

    Keep this in mind, all of you. A great deal of those of us that supported Obama did so AGAINST HRC, before McCain was even in our crosshairs. Maybe instead of falsely accusing us of supporting her, you’ll call Axelrod and ask him to name his price. He did, after all, defeat the Clintons, which is something you guys have yet to accomplish.

  60. James, your wisdom, at times, actually makes me loose a breath.

    “It may not be a major problem for the US, but it is a real problem for the baby.”

    I don’t think it can be said any better.

    I will seek out your book, I much enjoy history and the reading of it. I regret the fact that it is so often so bloody. The things we do to each other.

    When you talk about the farm crash, I often think of Dewey. She speaks to it multiple times. Dewey is a very Midwest name. This is probably TMI for the outers lurking, but it was my father’s middle name and his father’s too, although Grandpa preferred it over his first name, George.

  61. Upon further review …

    Perhaps rule number one is not so bad. I must have cross pollinated general welfare and postal roads or something. I guess the only thing worse than never having read the constitution is having read it so long ago that you think you know what you’re talking about when you don’t. I defer to the counselors with my apologies to them and the host.

    I do believe there is a place for federal govt in capital improvements for school districts. I do think there should be some base level of standard for all our benefit. Literacy for instance. (And mandated reading of the constitution) ISWTPASFT

    But beyond that, I think it is a local issue. And to say it’s not would fly in the face of We The People.

  62. So the plan is to spend more money.

    In my best Cousin Vinny voice, “That’s it?” 😴

    You sure about that 5 minutes?

    Gonna vote for Hillary the liar and thief, yes or no?

  63. Sucks we can’t be like Norway. Have some super power defend us while sitting on top of enough oil reserves it makes up more then half your GDP all the while having a homogeneous population half the size of New York City. Yeaaaah maaaan….socialism works.

    Public bathrooms suck.

  64. What a nice guy I am! I’m trying to do stuff around Chez Alfie but I did some research. @ Thor I confused you with Ajax from 3 threads ago

  65. You snickered and did a fist bump with Thor.

    You didn’t get my very limited precise point. I was not saying that the Constitution supported any of Thor’s arguments. I was making the very fine point that JUST by citing the constitution, he was violating a time honored rule around here where all you patriots pull your constitutions out of your breast pockets with great self righteousness as though you have some monopoly on worshipping our founding fathers.

  66. Very tongue in cheek post, Rutherford

    We should start taking bets on whether or not R votes for HRC. I bet he doesn’t.

    Actually Thor you did say somewhere back there that you would be voting for HRC even though you didn’t want to. Something along the lines of party loyalty.

    Every party needs a goat. Last time it was Rick Perry, this time it’s Cruz according to the pundits. Must be because Cruz announced before Perry. Now who do you think the Dem’s goat is ?!? 🙂

    ET I noticed you used a emoticon.

    I can’t believe the party lines (lies) have already started for both sides. It should be interesting to watch the switch and baits as the months pass.

  67. Public Private Partnerships is the future for our infrastructure

    Alfie I need to learn more about this as it speaks to my earlier comment about the mega-wealthy not doing a damn thing about some of our toughest problems.

    Imagine if a billionaire in every state with a bridge about to collapse said “I’m gonna get off my fat wallet and in cooperation with local gov I’m going to finance fixing that bridge!”

    We shouldn’t have to depend on government for all that ails us if the most fortunate of us were civic minded.

    And I’m sorry Rabbit and Tigre. I make a fucking $11.00 per hour. I’m NOT rebuilding any bridges.

  68. “Alfie I need to learn more about this”

    Yes you do, because what you went on to write has nothing to do with PPP

  69. Rutherford, the “Private” part of PPP is not some greedy, evil billionaire setting lazily on his wallet, it is private corporations.

    You remember them—it’s those greedy, evil groups who are ruining our democracy.

  70. LOL God help us. Tigre has discovered emoticons and even worse he found scatalogical ones. I’m assuming that was a pile of shit you posted? Don’t think that came with my iPhone. 😄

  71. So Rabbit:
    1) We waste money in our own defense paying for shit we either don’t use or doesn’t work.

    2) While I’m pretty sure our foreign aid including defense of others is a small part of our budget, not a bad place to make some cuts. Lazy blacks drive Republicans crazy but handing out welfare checks and freebies to other countries doesn’t register even a blip on their radar screen.

    3) We use our size and heterogeneity as an excuse to do NOTHING. It’s just an excuse and it needs to stop.

  72. Raji thanks for the compliment but my tongue was not in my cheek. I’m very much behind Sanders and quite sad America is too superficial to pay attention to him.

    Still, he is already exceeding expectations.

  73. Huck private corporations are by and large run by greedy billionaires. Whether the money comes from a personal or corporate bank account matters not to me.

    Stop whistling past the graveyard on your way home to your fucking mansion.

  74. The iPhone keeps autocorrecting my profanity to something not profane. Why can’t there be a “cuss like a sailor” profile that I can choose somewhere? 😈

  75. Didn’t care about Hastert when he was speaker don’t care about him now. Anything that comes his way in the legal system and court of public opinion is of no concern of mine.

  76. Thanks thor and Rutherford. Another book you might like, thor is “Giants in the Earth” by Ole Rolvaag. It is a fictional account of early Norwegian settlers in eastern South Dakota.

    Yes, Rutherford, we live only hours apart. We could visit each other without too much trouble.

    I hope I didn’t strike out with Hastert.

    How do we know billionaires are any more greedy than the rest of us?

    First not all blacks collecting welfare are lazy. Foreign aid unless it was instituted years ago and reasons behind it forgotten serves a purpose. Probably, we don’t always get our money’s worth, but often we do. We can reduce aid, but to imply it is all freebies and handouts is inaccurate.

    Anyone who voted for Obama to keep someone like McCain out of office blundered. I can’t think of many who would have created a poorer record than Obama.

  77. Notice how Rutherford has no problem viewing a private corporation as an individual when it suits him to do so.

    He wants private money in government but not in politics. That’s a pretty blurred line.

  78. He wants private money in government but not in politics.

    If I’m not mistaken we already have a tried and true method for corps to engage in politics. They’re called lobbies.

  79. Why any one who doesn’t trust the Ferguson police department would wax on about making the federal government of the most powerful nation in human history more powerful baffles me.

    Rutherford’s main excuse for Obama is that all politicians are asshole liars, cut him a break. Yet he wants America to be more dependent on these same assholes.

  80. “And I’m sorry Rabbit and Tigre. I make a fucking $11.00 per hour. I’m NOT rebuilding any bridges.”

    Yeah. We noticed.

  81. “Huck private corporations are by and large run by greedy billionaires.”

    So far from the truth the fact that you can say it is why you can’t be taken seriously.

    Sad.

  82. “Tigre has discovered emoticons and even worse he found scatalogical ones. I’m assuming that was a pile of shit you posted?”

    Just found ’em. You like?

    I couldn’t find one with the stink lines and flies but it’ll do for now.

  83. “I was making the very fine point that JUST by citing the constitution, he was violating a time honored rule around here where all you patriots pull your constitutions out of your breast pockets with great self righteousness as though you have some monopoly on worshipping our founding fathers.”

    He wasn’t citing anything. He didn’t know what he was talking about.

    Neither do you.

    Nice try.

  84. He wasn’t citing anything. He didn’t know what he was talking about. – ET

    Yes, and I admitted it. Now, once again, when did I say I was voting for Hillary, or was that just shit you were throwing out there.

    “Thor’s already committed to it which is fucking breathtaking. . . not really. Par for the course.” – ET

    Just admit that you fucked up, assuming that I had said something I didn’t or attributing something to me that someone else said.

    @ Thor I confused you with Ajax from 3 threads ago – Alfie

    Thank you Alfie, thank you very much. I very much appreciate the time you took. Thank you.

    See ET, that’s how it’s done.

    “Actually Thor you did say somewhere back there that you would be voting for HRC even though you didn’t want to.” – Raji

    No, you now face the same challenge that ET does.

  85. “ISWTPASFT”?? I googled this and found nothing. – R
    Its short for – I So Wanted To Put A Smiley Face There. I learned from DR that if you use emoticons it shows that your arguments are lacking. You gotta up your game. Just trying to conform so I can still hang with the cool kids. ISWTPASFT

  86. So far from the truth the fact that you can say it is why you can’t be taken seriously.

    After all these years you don’t know I lean toward hyperbole?

  87. Off topic – I am not a happy camper. BMW, pampering its i3 owners, sent us a $250.00 pair of Bluetooth headphones. Problem is, I’m reading up on Bluetooth transmitters for tv’s and the constant complaint is delayed audio making picture and audio out of sync. I am NOT turning every show I watch into a dubbed Japanese movie.

    Not happy at all. 😡

  88. Anyone who voted for Obama to keep someone like McCain out of office blundered – James

    Really? You’re defending this guy?

    An ancient and beautiful Apache holy site is about to be handed off to a foreign mining company, thanks to Republican Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake. What will be left behind, when the company is through, is a caved-in pit, 1,000 feet deep and two-miles wide.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/opinion/selling-off-apache-holy-land.html?_r=0

    He slipped a rider into the Defense Authorization Act swapping off federal land, that also happens to be an Apache sacred sight, to a foreign mining company. The land had been protected as far back as Eisenhower. Nixon protected it. Every time they tried to take it legitimately, it was voted down. So what does Mr. Maverick-gonna-clean-up-D.C. blah, blah, blah reform blah, blah, blah do? He slips a last minute rider, under the cover of darkness, onto a funding bill for his precious military that he would never exploit, in order to bypass the will of the people, in order to help a foreign mining interest that just so happened to contribute to his campaign.

    I have zero qualms about denying this fuck the oval office.

  89. Thor, McCain is an odd dude. While I suspect him primarily a scumbag, he shows flashes of decency and courage. His campaign against Obama in 2008 was pretty much on the up and up including a famous public appearance where he told a crazy lady that O was not “an Arab”. I don’t quite know what to make of him. His scumbaggery may be the product of sheer stupidity.

  90. McCain is still considered human by most Arizonans, unfortunately. They don’t recognize devil spawn when they see it. He has left a whole mess of stinking piles along his path.

  91. Dude sold out and he’s selling out Arizona. He is a product of DC. None of it worth a plug nickel.

  92. R, maybe the delay is so you can swear at the tv.

    Do you think Sanders would approve selling sacred lands to foreign mining companies? I doubt it. But he’s a socialist, not a patriot like McCain so screw what he thinks. He’s already irrelevant. ISWTPASFT

  93. His scumbaggery may be the product of sheer stupidity. – R

    I don’t think so. He doesn’t seem stupid to me. He did attempt to forward campaign finance reform which was pure suicide in his run against Bush. Made him an outcast among conservatives for many years, until he ran against Romney who they must have hated even more. Maybe he has decided, if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

  94. I think Flake was involved in the rider too. And some other guy before them got put in the slammer for trying to “help” the same company. He must have cut even sharper corners.
    What fucked up Senators you’ve got down there. I can’t believe my niece lives down there. Only place she could find a teaching job after graduating.

    But this Oak Flat place looks beautiful. Would be a great place to watch the Perseid meteor shower. Have you ever been out there?

  95. Thor as I said I have no love for McCain. But one can’t ignore his occasional flashes of decency. It’s very very odd. I suppose you’re saying these flashes don’t ultimately redeem him and you’re probably right.

  96. Yes. There is a campground there, too. We have many beautiful spaces and most have special significance to one tribe or another. But they are getting to be less and less remote and preserved as development moves in. Natural beauty isn’t profitable in and of itself anymore. It has to be refined.

  97. But one can’t ignore his occasional flashes of decency. – R

    Yes, his time as a POW alone is far more sacrifice than most people will ever give for this country, this way of life. Makes the things he does that fly in the face of that way of life even more baffling. He is more an enigma than a maverick. Money does tend to corrupt, he seemed to understand that at one point in his career.

    But this shit really pisses me off. Could you imagine if Sanders, during his tenure, put a rider in to sell mineral rights to a foreign company to drill for oil under the Mormon Tabernacle? There’d be fire ants and piss coming out these guys’ USB ports.

  98. “I was making the very fine point that JUST by citing the constitution” -R

    Lol. Uhhh…yeah. That’s the ticket. You and Thor crack me up.

  99. In my 5 minute google investigation I have no idea what to think of “Occupy Oak Flat”.

    Anything tagged ” Occupy” needs a grain of salt the size of a baseball.

    And I don’t think I’ve ever seen more bull shit on the left then when they think they are fighting the good fight for injins.

    I can just picture the gray haired, white ladies claiming 1/25th Indian blood acting all outraged while beating away in the patchouli drum circle in a writhing orgasm of leftist activism.

    And Thor is full of shit. It even says so in the Constitution.

    The company promises 4000 jobs over 60 years. That is boom town shit for two generations. The kind of things today’s new liberal usually hates. They survive on the existence helpless reservations, whether in the desert it Detroit.

    That being said, why sneak it in? Is it really hollowed ground?

    Who knows.

    Let the people decide.

    For right now I guess I side with the fake Indians and the few dozen real Apaches.

  100. I’m not defending McCain. I recognized a choice.

    Suppose you are skidding on an icy bridge and see a pick up truck with no lights on parked perpendicular to the bridge. You apply the brakes at 35 MPH, but nothing happens. The drunken driver picks that moment to open the door and put a foot on the bridge.

    What do you do? You can swerve to the edge of the bridge and send yourself into cold, icy water. You can plow headlong into the pickup. You can turn at the last minute and hope to mitigate a direct hit which is the same as crashing into a wall,.

    That election was a similar script of bad choices. You have to choose proactively or by doing nothing. Each choice has consequences. I knew what Obama would be like and had a pretty good idea of McCain’s qualities.Stopping Obama was paramount.

    As I wrote, anyone who voted for Obama blundered as I would have blundered had I steered toward the bridge railing which was as strong as a back yard gate. I went to sleep for a while and my brain swelled. People who figuratively slept through the last two presidential elections were as unconscious of reality as I was in the ambulance.

  101. As far as hallowed ground is concerned. The Black Hills are hallowed ground for the Lakota Sioux. Once gold was discovered, our government basically stole if from the Sioux, just as the Sioux stole the land from another tribe generations earlier.

  102. Am I supposed to give a shot about Hastert?

    I guess I’ll have to go look at HuffPo or MSNBC and see if this is important proof that conservatives are pedophiles as they cheer on Clintons.

  103. I think Thors comment about the Oak Flat mining controversy is something that connects to a theme behind the post itself.
    Is America serious enough for democracy in the 21st Century and beyond
    I imagine there were many times throughout US history when the populace felt the issues evolutions,and solutions etc were spinning wildly out of control and perspective. Where emotions not the least being fear and populist comfort zones stuff helped foster an environment of anxiety as well as excitement.
    Anyway before I get too deep I wonder if We the People are serious about our democracy and everything that means. Its not just a political system.

  104. My takeaways on the mining thing:
    I don’t accept the argument about indian holy site.
    I don’t agree with riders as I hate pork etc.
    I don’t believe this deal is without FIFA level of corruption.
    I do think the towns short term (up to 6 decades) gains are better than the tourism impacts they currently enjoy. I’d be interested in the nature aspects (wildlife,watershed,etc) of the 5400 acres that are being given in exchange for the mining site.
    I don’t see how the finished mine is of any great concern since as then private property nobody will be allowed on it.
    I do think the deal is ultimately negative for the USA.
    Never liked John Sydney McCain,dislike him even more now.

  105. So Thor, are you voting for Hillary or not? – ET

    Why do you keep asking? According to you, I already pledged my full devotion.

    Thor’s already committed to it which is fucking breathtaking. . . not really. Par for the course. – ET

    Were those not your exact words? Having problems finding something that isn’t there to back up your bullshit? Just admit you were wrong and move on. Is it really that hard for you?

  106. I agree with your points Alfie. These are the points that were already debated three times in Congress and ultimately voted on and rejected. McCain knew this, so he piggybacked it on essential military spending. This is EXACTLY the kind of inside DC bullshit he was railing against when he ran against Obama. He was going to fight it. He used tactics to circumvent the will of the people. Apparently that only matters around here if your name is followed by a (D).

  107. In my 5 minute google investigation I have no idea what to think of “Occupy Oak Flat”.

    Anything tagged ” Occupy” needs a grain of salt the size of a baseball. – DR

    I didn’t mention occupy or the protestors. I was talking about McCain’s actions and ethics, but you go straight for the imagery, the broad stroke of dirty hippies. And you guys call me the propagandist.

  108. That election was a similar script of bad choices. – James

    We both had the same choice, I just picked the other rail. When McCain does things like this, it makes the ride in the ambulance a little less painful.

    We get the best candidates money can buy. Until money is taken out of the equation, we get what we pay for, even if its in foreign currency.

    On a lighter note, my wife’s annual family reunion is today. Four generations of Sicilians. There’s going to be some rumbling in Thor’s tummy tonight. Especially if I top it off with a little Tequila. You would appreciate the setting, James. It’s an old two-room school house, the one my wife’s grandma went to as a little girl. It’s now a community hall you can rent. It’s on a flat where they still grow Timothy hay. Locals still call the area “Little Italy” because of all the farmers that immigrated their after WWI.

  109. “Were those not your exact words? Having problems finding something that isn’t there to back up your bullshit? Just admit you were wrong and move on. Is it really that hard for you?”

    No. Couldn’t find it and haven’t looked. Don’t care as much as you do about the big slight. Perhaps it was Ajax. Why has this touched a nerve is confusing.

    Not really. You don’t know what the Constitution says — and like Rutherford don’t care. It’s something that gets in the way of your agenda. And I guess you know that your ignorance of a document you should have learned about in grade school is sad. Me misremembering a statement on a blog with thousands of comments is like others here. Of course, that’s the same Dumb and Dumber giving each other “booyahs” for their astute observations. 😆

    So I am REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SORRY!!! I was wrong!!!! You will not be voting for HRC and have made that clear, I guess.

    Oh God. Please forgive me! I was wrong and now know better. I will never be making THAT mistake.

    So, you’ll be voting for HRC, right?

  110. “Apparently that only matters around here if your name is followed by a (D).”

    Did anyone here agree with the pork?

    I said I side with you, going on what little knowledge I have.

  111. Just admit you were wrong and move on. Is it really that hard for you?

    Ahhh yes it is. God love him but he’s addicted to being right. May be the attorney in him.

  112. but you go straight for the imagery, the broad stroke of dirty hippies. And you guys call me the propagandist.

    Once again, Thor is on fire. Thanks dude for coming back to the blog. I’ve needed you, man.

  113. Tigre, seriously I no doubt read the constitution at some point in my education but that doesn’t count in my book as “reading the constitution”. That’s why I committed to reading it through again. I’m hoping you’re not claiming some intellectual superiority for something you did when you were fucking 16 years old. If you’ve read it through a few times since, THEN you’ve got something on me.

  114. I think all of this talk about money in politics, at least as it relates to elections, is missing the greater issue.

    WHY is money in elections so influential? And that is a rhetorical question, because I think we all know the answer if we take even a moment to think about it.

    Money allows a candidate to reach more people, and to reach more people more times, because of advertising and travel.

    But in this Information Age, is any candidate really going unnoticed? And if they are, is that the fault of money—or is it the fault of an electorate who just doesn’t give a shit?

    The way to neutralize money in politics is to get an electorate who gives a fuck enough to inform themselves. An informed voter doesn’t care how many times he sees a commercial telling him about something (or someone) he is already against.

    The money simply allows lazy people to be told what to think. So who really bears the blame there?

    Think about it….

  115. “Did anyone here agree with the pork?”

    I don’t agree with the pork, nor do I agree with what was probably slipped in because people didn’t read something when they voted on it.

    If it was something that was debated and/or senators were at least aware it was there, then it did not circumvent the will of the people.

    If they were not aware then absolutely shame on them.

  116. Yes Rutherford, you dummy. You’ll be stunned to know that all lawyers have had to study the Constitution. Only you comments on it without the foggiest idea. You’re lates, that the general welfare clause creates some problem for you, is just fucking embarrassing. It’s why discussing any SCOTUS decision is a total waste of time with you.

    So, keep reveling in your ignorance. It must be really liberating not to trouble yourself while maitaung strong opinions.

    Gawd.

  117. “But in this Information Age, is any candidate really going unnoticed?” -Hucking

    You make a great point and one I’ve been thinking about a lot.

    We live in an era where the dumbest things (and, sometimes not so dumb things) go viral.

    There is no excuse for money in politics to to weigh like it used too.

    19 year olds smoking weed while doodling on their guitars and running it through software on a lap top become famous musicians. They never left their dorm room.

    Americans are ignorant and/or distracted.

    I fall in both camps of late myself.

    One of the most watched events in human history is a nerdy highschool band kid awkwardly pretending a music stand is an Asiatic weapon. Millions upon millions views on YouTube.

    A 23 year old living in his parents basement figured out the FBI was flying UFOs just last week and reported on it with same effect as Walter Cronkite.

    We common people of America have ran out of excuses, despite Rutherford’s sad sack ass.

    On another note, I’ve never met a multi millionaire I didn’t like on a personal level.
    The one thing they have in common outside of work ethic and ambition? Civic virtue and philanthropy.

    To a man, all of them down to earth dudes who can be yourself around.

    This urge to have the goverent essentially make them pay more in taxes is such a mistake. They do so much already. Let them be.

  118. Let me fix:

    Yes Rutherford, you dummy. You’ll be stunned to know that all lawyers have to study the Constitution. Only you comment on it without the foggiest idea, and in fact claim that referring to it is vice rather than virtue.

    You’re latest, that the general welfare clause creates some problem for you overlooked by the Founding Fathers, is just fucking embarrassing. It is a damn limitation on federal government’s (and most state’s) taxing and spending provisions. Did you (1) even know that or (2) are you referring to the preamble or (3)do you not know? I go with option 3.

    Your lack of even Schoolhouse Rock level understanding is why discussing any SCOTUS decision is a total waste of time with you. We already know you don’t bother reading the opinions. But not even knowing what they’re addressing is head pounding.

    So, keep reveling in your ignorance. It must be really liberating not to trouble yourself while maintaining strong opinions.

    Gawd.

  119. Ooops…

    The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting.

    The prosecution abandoned the case, apparently to avoid embarrassing the intelligence services. The defence argued that going ahead withthe trial would have been an “affront to justice” when there was plenty of evidence the British state was itself providing “extensive support” to the armed Syrian opposition.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

  120. On another note, I’ve never met a multi millionaire I didn’t like on a personal level.

    Well aren’t you the hoi poloi? I’ve never met a multi-millionaire.

  121. I drove home from the grocery store with my smart phone left on my back bumper o after loading groceries. Good three miles with some turns.

    It didn’t fall off!

  122. Instead of screaming about getting the money out of politics, we should be screaming to get the media out of politics.

    They are the kingmakers, not rich people.

  123. I read tonight there has been a great transitional shift the last six years toward “social liberalism” and far more people now are identifying as “liberal” than any time in 50 years.

    Though I am Barack Obama’s biggest critic on this board, I don’t give the man his due concerning one thing. Our country is indeed being radically transformed by choice. Like Osama Bin Laden, Barack Obama has won – but the country will lose. Big time.

    And the thought occurred to me how few are noticing as America quickly degrades to Gomorrah, how quickly the fate of the country is also sinking? I am amazed at quickly this country is disintegrating and even more amazed at how few people are noticing. We’re so busy being entertained, we aren’t noticing the rot.

    I notice it everywhere I go now. As it was in the days of Noah…

  124. LOL Huck we tend to be of similar minds on FP but we always part ways domestically. I’m pretty sure Bernie has a complete tax overhaul in mind, not simply a hike on the rich. And I’m not sure you’re grasping the math on this one. Bernie’s got no problem with folks making six figures. Hell, he’s not upset about millionaires. He’s talking about the 1% who have most of the wealth.” – R

    Sanders has spoken fondly of the highest bracket going back to 90%, but that’s not limited to just the uber-wealthy—Sanders will raise taxes on EVERYONE because that is what his ideology demands.

    I’ll say it now, Thor and R will both ultimately pull the lever for HRC if she gets through the primaries. And really, why would she not get through the primaries at this point? Is O’Malley going to beat her? I seriously doubt it and I doubt Webb enters the race. So, when HRC gets through the primaries, it’ll be fun to read the both talking about why R is going to hold his nose and vote for Clinton… Thor’ll vote for Clinton as well. For some reason, it’s not popular or trendy to be an HRC supporter right now for Dems, and I think it’s mostly about burnishing lib creds. Ooooh, a Draft Fauxohantis bumper-sticker, or a Socialist Sanders sticker—something to demonstrate to the fellow unwashed hippies that you’re anti-establishment (which is exactly how Sanders is going at HRC), but ultimately, you’ll all pull the lever for HRC. I don’t need either of you to tell me that you’ll pull the lever to be confident that you’ll do just that.

    R, your question about the Scandinavian states being socialist was addressed by DR, but you completely skipped his response—by design I’m sure. If your best example of “successful” socialist experiments is Scandinavia, well, that should be very telling for all the reasons DR mentioned. But here’s a serious question for both of you: If the Dems—and inherently bigger government—is the answer, then why do Dem cities almost always fail? If your “way” was “the way” then why doesn’t it work?

  125. We spent most of yesterday and last night celebrating our grand daughter’s un second birthday. The parents had many guests including toddlers. The theme was Bubble Guppies which our grand daughter chose. They even had some tunnels and a water play ground for the toddlers in the back yard. Our grand daughter was happy and had a lot of fun. As our daughter and I agreed, its a pity that at her age, she will not remember it.

    Thor, I do appreciate the atmosphere you described. No Italians live around us though Omaha has a large community. I like Italians. We got on the wrong bus to see Hercilano which was buried under the same ash Pompei was. The bus driver looked at us suspiciously and after six or eight blocks, he asked where we were going. We told him. He said we were on the wrong bus. He turned around and took us back to the bus stop.

    You still chose unwisely to elect Obama. It is a hypothetical. However, extrapulating from the behavior of both men and who they have chosen as advisers, the US would have been a better place under McCain or even Palin. It is a fact that we have problems Obama helped exacerbate.

    One is our space program. We were going to have a space shuttle replacement until Obama killed it. Now, we depend on Russia, a problematic partner. Their space program has its own problems besides any antipathy they might feel for our government. One comes from the software they are no longer getting from Ukraine. Obama has not distinguished himself in that area either.

    Scandinavians run welfare not socialist states. Sanders is a socialistm so their model is irrelevant to his outlook unless he was lying.

    Congratulations rabbit.

  126. re: McCain –

    Three airplane crashes BEFORE he was shot down – one due to inattention, one due to fucking around, one due to undetermined causes. Four dismal years at Annapolis, topped off by graduating in the bottom 1% of his class – yes, ONE percent, able to stay in service only because his father and grandfather were admirals in the American navy. And he’s never met a program for spying on American citizens that he doesn’t like.

    Clearly not that bright to begin with, he took too many blows to the head as a POW. And then he wanted to be US president? Hell, Sarah Palin was a wizard compared to her running mate. As far as the world is concerned, the only thing worse than Hussein Obama’s winning the US presidency would have been if he’d lost.

  127. Oh, and after he left the military and was urged by his superiors to never fly again, he bought himself an ultralight airplane.

    And … you guessed it. He crashed that one, too. Just the kind of judgment you want in the fellow with his thumb on the button that could sterilize the surface of the planet.

  128. Wrong, Parker.
    I’ve read McCain’s story. He also had father problems and was a rebellious jerk. That contributed to his low class rank. Like Obama, he doesn’t fly many planes as a government official. Tax payers hire people for that chore.

    I’ll give you this. McCain hurt his chances for election when he suddenly interrupted his campaign during the crash and went to Congress to save us. All he could do was sputter. Obama did nothing but look cool. The contrast between a light master and a confused old man was striking.

    No president is an independent force. McCain’s advisers would have better than what we have now. McCain is not the socialist that Obama is. Obama mismanaged a recovery so enemic it matches FDR’s attempt to pull us out of a depression. Obama’s foreign policy created more problems for us than McCain’s would have done. Even better, Democrats have lost the last few elections and the party is in such dire straights that it faces years of struggle to regain what it had. Feckless Republicans for the most part owe Obama a Christmas card for his gift to them..

    Obama is not a bright light either. Look at his gazebo to nowhere. If he isn’t a racist, he comes close.

    Democrats aren’t the only party to self immolate.Erdogan had counted on keeping a majority as Obama had known he would, but the Islamist party won only 41% of the votes.

    A commenter wrote “Will Erdogan honor the results, or will he seize power? Also, in the list of those “bummed” by the results, they missed Obama.”

    Is McCain’s poor record as a pilot and low class rating the best you can do? It is hard to admit, but Americans were asleep when they voted for Obama by voting against McCain, Romney or other opposition candidates. If you voted for Obama, your ignorance hurt our country.

  129. Instead of screaming about getting the money out of politics, we should be screaming to get the media out of politics.

    Money vs media? What’s the difference? You do realize who owns the media AND controls the money? It is the same ‘who’ every one of our potential ‘leaders’ MUST suck up to.

  130. When Huck & I aren’t fighting, we actually do agree on several things. The only thing I find money useful for in politics is if the candidates are unknowns. Hillary Clinton wouldn’t need to spend another dime…

    Hillary can spend billions upon billions and it will change little. All she needs is the media to play lapdog once again. And the minute it looks like Hillary is sinking, all the talk about the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, no record of accomplishment, a career of graft and failure will all go bye bye.

    You’re damn straight, Gorilla. As example: when a guy banties about “single payer” in medicine, they are of muddled and unsound mind. That’s as big government as it gets and goes hand-in-hand with having no problems about ignoring The Constitution either.

    Classic reflex.

    Tell you a story I heard this weekend. This is how government works in Obama’s genius. At my daughter’s wedding, I talked to a neurosurgeon and a bone marrow specialist (oncologist). The neurosurgeon told me he’s close to walking, though he loves the job. Seems our government finds things like carpal tunnel surgery equivalent to treating an aneurysm in one’s brain – both reimbursed at $1,500. 45 minute surgery, 12 hour surgery, makes no difference. So now a neurosurgeon is making less per hour than your plumber drilling holes in your head and performing the most delicate surgery on the most complicated organ in your body.

    Think about that if you have some traumatic brain injury and your push for single payer. Or perhaps you’ll want Jim Bob opening up your head in the future.

    But the oncologist can top that. I’ll hold water…

  131. Here you go Rutherford. Apparently you weren’t tongue in cheek, my apologies.

    View at Medium.com

    Thor, I retract my statement regarding HRC. Since Alfie did the research I’ll hang my hat on his words. 😉

    I truly believe many people voted for Obama because of Palin the first time and to say YEAH we voted for a Black man! The second time I just don’t get except laziness. I think we can do better than HRC to represent women but that person isn’t on the horizon.

    DR is right about laziness in the voters and their source for info is social networks which is FREE so seriously all the money for so called commercials on cable networks is not necessary and most of it goes into their pockets.

    Yep it’s fun to watch Thor sling hash 😆

  132. For some reason the link disappeared again. You’ll have to google:
    Dear America
    Please Get Your Head Out of Your Ass About Bernie Sanders”
    A Medium Corporation

  133. For some reason, it’s not popular or trendy to be an HRC supporter right now for Dems

    Your implication I’m a mindless dweeb following trends is insulting. Why don’t you and Tigre go have a drink and joke about fucking JAL while Muffy stands on the sidelines cheering on her boys?

    Believe what you like. I never much cared for Hillary and I’m less impressed with each passing day. If I have to write Rutherford Lawson on the ballot, that is what I will do. I’m NOT voting for Hillary.

  134. James I love you man but any claim Palin could have been a competent president on any level kills your credibility. I think you know that. You just bring up Palin to get a reaction and I fall for it almost every time.

  135. James, you’re a piece of work. I would surely like to meet you in person. I had not heard that song before, but it is a catchy little tune.

    I have a question for the Bernie Sanders’ fans? Why would you believe Bernie Sanders as President would work out any better for the U.S. than this?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_Rodr%C3%ADguez_Zapatero

    I can remember the throngs of Spaniards that cheered and cried and wet their pants when this man was elected as the anti George Bush. Seven years later, Spain’s unemployment rate topped 25%, the nation was in virtual civil war, and to this day Spain is still teetering on filing national bankruptcy, right behind Greece in financial standing. If not for the EU, 3rd world.

    Tell me that you Sanders fans are just teasing and you’re not really this stupid?

  136. Oooo, look, another anti-Semitic rant by a fringe retard…

    Unoriginal ✓
    Knee jerk ✓
    Unsubstantiated ✓
    Typical ✓
    Childish ✓

    Of course you would go there since you cannot defeat the validity of his claims. Does truth take sides? Actually it is its own side regardless of persons. Semantically, anti-semitic at its core is the same as racist and has been your most common accusation against ANYONE opposing your views. Not original and an obvious Pavlovian response at this point. Anti-semitism (racism) is a tried and true shut-down-the-conversation phrase. If you want to accuse ME of being anti simianic, then you may or may not have a valid point based on what has transpired within this format over the past several years.

    Fortunately you do have job security…

  137. And another thing, Rutherford as you chastise James. Tell me you would find Joe Biden competent as a President – the only thing keeping me from praying they impeach Obama and frog march him to the curb?

  138. You can put all the money in the world into politics or out of it for that matter and it will not matter if the electorate is ignorant simpletons.

  139. “Why don’t you and Tigre go have a drink and joke about fucking JAL while Muffy stands on the sidelines cheering on her boys?”

    I’m always available. Thanks for your suggestion mindless Pajamaboy dweeb.

  140. The elections in Turkey are far more complicated than some of the reporting is allowing people to run with.
    People who look at election maps of the USA and wonder how we have a (D) POTUS can view the Turk map and think there was an AKP “beat down”….kind of wild.
    I do applaud that the Turkish people exerted democratic efforts to fight back against the de-secularization and power grabbing Erdogan & Co. was moving on.
    What comes next is important to the region and the USA. Whether AKP goes minority,forms a coalition or calls for new elections it bears watching.

  141. First it was 1% chance of voting HRC, now it’s never.

    Thor won’t say.

    The answer is both will vote HRC because the thought of losing the WH is too much for them to bear.

  142. Something or someone will eventually cause the US Economy to address the health care issue. Our previous attempts, all uniquely American, are far from successful. We are making it worse and thinking one can simply set the way back machine to some time that was better isn’t the answer either.

  143. You can put all the money in the world into politics or out of it for that matter and it will not matter if the electorate is ignorant simpletons.

    Damn straight as the 2012 election demonstrated. I don’t give a damn what Rutherford, Thor, and the rest of the mindless shills blather about. Anybody that can’t see Obama clueless now is either a congenital liar vested in the program, mentally ill and detached, or mindless twit.

    There has never been a wider gulf in talent, intellect, gifts, and vision than there was in the 2012 election. And America chose poorly.

    She is in the process of suffering the consequences as we speak. If there is justice, millions of these Obama supporters are going to suffer the dire consequences with Obama still holding office. Though they will blame anyone and everyone but Obama and themselves, I will get the personal satisfaction of them joining in the pain this time. And I hope it stings them so badly, they don’t soon forget.

  144. Believe what you like. I never much cared for Hillary and I’m less impressed with each passing day. If I have to write Rutherford Lawson on the ballot, that is what I will do. I’m NOT voting for Hillary.” – R

    We’ll see. I’ve not much confidence in your intellectual integrity. Ideologically? You’re like a rock (pun intended), and regardless of who the Dem on the ticket is, you’ll vote for her…

  145. Clint Eastwood is courting controversy again, this time with a Caitlyn Jenner joke at the Spike TV Guys’ Choice 2015 awards on Saturday night.

    USA TODAY has learned that Spike TV will cut an Eastwood joke about Jenner when the show airs Saturday, June 18.

    The website Hollywood Life reported that Eastwood made the crack when introducing Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson for an award during the program shot at Sony Pictures Studio in Culver City, CA.

    Eastwood, 85, compared the San Andreas star to former athletes who have become actors, like “Jim Brown and Caitlyn Somebody…”

    David Schwarz, Spike TV senior vice president of communications, confirmed the quote.

    “We will remove the reference in the version that will air,” Schwarz wrote in an email.

    Caitlyn Jenner, the Olympic athlete formerly known as Bruce, made her debut as a transgender woman, posing on the cover of Vanity Fair released June 1.

    Actually a pretty good line, really quite tame. This just goes to show how insane the PC Police are. Congrats R in turning society into a bunch a whiney, sensitive, little bitches…

  146. You want to know something ironic I learned the other day, Gorilla?

    About 40 years ago when all this PC crap started, psychiatrists (APA) under duress declared all this gender bending was simply a choice, nothing to be feared, though over 70% of them when interviewed said it was clearly a “mental illness,” much if not most of it treatable.

    In 40 years, we’ve moved from tolerance to demands for acceptance. From something to be pitied to something to be celebrated.

    And now many psychiatrists, under breath of course fearing for their own careers, personal liability and the gaystapo, are recognizing the Pandora’s Box they played a part in opening – a few close to retirement (or they will be retired shortly be force) are even coming out and saying openly they made an egregious mistake bending to the tyranny of political correctness.

    I promise you America will rue the day it did as well. To me, the breakdown, the cornerstones of liberty and freedom crumbling, the election of feckless men like Obama, the weak ass Republicans in bed with the Chamber of Commerce selling out the country, the charges of American imperialism, and the celebration of decadence and perversion are all part of the same game, stemming from the same bad behaviors.

    A country cannot operate without moral absolutes. And the more free the society, the harder the fall when structure breaks down.

    I predict this chaos is going to get so bad in large parts of this country, too many Americans will grow so desperate just to enforce law and civility, they will throw open their arms to the first man or woman that can bring order, even if it means giving up all individual rights. They won’t fear martial law. They’ll beg for it.

  147. Does this essentially make this post worthless?

    Bernie Sanders scored 41 percent in a straw poll vote at the Wisconsin Democratic Party convention this weekend — finishing a close second to Hillary Clinton, who won 49 percent.

    The Vermont senator received 208 of 511 delegate votes at the state convention in Milwaukee on Saturday, while Clinton won votes from 252 of the delegates, leaving her just short of a majority. Both Vice President Joe Biden and former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, who announced his candidacy late last month, received 3 percent of the vote. Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, who is considering a bid, won 2 percent of the vote, while former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee, who announced his long-shot candidacy last week, received 1 percent.

    The result is another encouraging sign for Sanders, who is drawing large crowds in early nominating states such as Iowa and New Hampshire. In the two weeks since he announced his candidacy, the Vermont senator has seen an uptick in the polls against Clinton — who remains the heavy favorite — and Sanders is showing signs he could pick up some supporters of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, the progressive icon who has said repeatedly that she will not run for president in 2016.

  148. You are right, Rutherford. I do the same thing to my wife when I want a reaction. She used to chase me around the house, but she is older now.

    Yes, Tex, I am a piece of work. The jury is still out on whether or not it is good or bad. That song was a satire of “Leader of the Pack” in the mid sixties. I’d like to meet you too some time. Getting the whole group together in the same room would also be fun.

    I agree alfie, the Turkish election could have as many unexpected consequences as the British election. I think the Kurdish party gained some strength too, though not as much as The Scots in the UK. It does show people have had enough in several countries.

  149. Like there’s this huge distinction between the character or the competence of Hillary Clinton and that of Barack Obama.

  150. ELMAU, Germany — President Barack Obama says Russian President Vladimir Putin must decide whether he wants to wreck Russia’s economy in pursuit of what Obama calls a “wrongheaded desire to recreate the glories of the Soviet empire.”

    Obama says U.S. and European leaders are in agreement about maintaining sanctions on Russia until it abides by its side of a cease-fire. But he says political leaders aren’t yet discussing additional sanctions to ramp up pressure on Putin.

    Obama says the first step is for the EU to extend the current sanctions in an upcoming meeting. But he says lower-level discussions about additional sanctions have taken place.

    Obama says Russia’s aggression in Ukraine is inflicting suffering on Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine — precisely the people Putin says he’s trying to protect.

    Obama today. Of course, this was Obama a couple years ago

  151. “USA TODAY has learned that Spike TV will cut an Eastwood joke about Jenner when the show airs Saturday, June 18.”

    I kept wondering what the joke was until I realized I had read it already. Eastwood referred to Jenner as “Caitlyn Somebody.” That was the joke that must be censored when the show airs. That was the offensive joke.

    I badly need an emoticon right about now.

    Jerry Seinfeld Says Colleges Are Too Politically Correct, Kids Don’t Understand Racism Or Sexism

    “I hear that all the time,” Seinfeld said. “I don’t play colleges, but I hear a lot of people tell me, ‘Don’t go near colleges. They’re so PC.’ I’ll give you an example: My daughter’s 14. My wife says to her, ‘Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.’ You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’ They just want to use these words: ‘That’s racist;’ ‘That’s sexist;’ ‘That’s prejudice.’ They don’t know what the f–k they’re talking about.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/jerry-seinfeld-college-politically-correct-racism-sexism_n_7534978.html

  152. “Why don’t you and Tigre go have a drink and joke about fucking JAL while Muffy stands on the sidelines cheering on her boys?”

    Sounds like somebody needs a baba and a nappy.

    You can’t seem to make up your mind whether I am supposed to monitor these guys’ speech or whether the one time I do in 4 years suddenly I have the presumptuous gall to speak for a grown man to which I must think I am attached at the hip. Make up your mind.

    It’s your blog. You monitor it. At least you can’t get fired for doing a shitty job.

    The depraved pfesser calls me the name of a female sex organ upwards of 20 times and continues to do so every time he gets angry at me, Tex, Christians, Republicans, women or his own miserable life. And you think it compares to a single politically incorrect joke about how indiscriminate men are when it comes to sex. G getting all rapey and shit.

    No nap, no teevee tonight.

  153. Your implication I’m a mindless dweeb following trends is insulting.” – R

    I was just perusing your Obama re-election comments and posts. Nothing could have reinforced this comment more…

    Be insulted, you earned it…

  154. The “rapey shit” comes out when Pajamboy Rutherford feels his masculinity is being challenged. It makes him feel chivalrous.

  155. Obama, Sanders, Hillary and the rest are not the problem. They basically followed the rules and lied like any other politician. I repeat what I wrote before. You, who now have regrets were blinded by sympathetic news people, the entertainment culture and other political allies. You were as gullible as someone buying electronics from the trunk of a car in a Wal -Mart parking lot.

    You squandered your votes on minor issues associated with imperfect opponents. Parker offered a feeble defense which further supports my view that you should feel shame for what you did. No one else has come close to defending such ignorant votes.

    I like you, but I consider your votes to be the product of gullibility. Imagine Christine to be Hillary, Obama, Sanders, or anyone like them. You, Rutherford, Thor, Poolman and anyone else who progressives misled are Patrick Duffy.

  156. Tex there is zero doubt Biden for all his eccentricity is more fit for potus than Palin. Biden has visited countries Sarah Palin does not know exist.

  157. You can put all the money in the world into politics or out of it for that matter and it will not matter if the electorate is ignorant simpletons.

    You want more evidence of our lack of seriousness?

    Fox News is limiting its August debate to the ten candidates with the best cumulative polling. If today’s numbers don’t change, Rick Santorum sits in the audience while Donald Trump (if he actually announces) gets behind a podium.

    I wonder if a country dumb enough to even consider Trump for potus is worth saving.

  158. Just for you Rutherford and Thor. . .

    Well, and Tex and Muffy and G and DR and James and everyone else too.

  159. The answer is both will vote HRC because the thought of losing the WH is too much for them to bear.

    You don’t get it. HRC in the WH is equivalent to losing the WH. A vote for HRC is the same as a vote for 4 if not 8 years of scandal.

    If she is elected and proves me wrong by 2020, then we’ll cross that bridge when we get there.

  160. FWIW, I don’t see the big deal with Eastwood’s comment. In fact, barring some chromosomal abnormality, I tend to agree with Ann Coulter that Jenner is mentally ill. I don’t mean that as insult. I mean it as accurate description.

  161. A country cannot operate without moral absolutes.

    At first blush, this sounds real good. But … who sets those moral absolutes? And please don’t tell me God because I ain’t signing up for a theocracy any time soon.

  162. You can’t seem to make up your mind whether I am supposed to monitor these guys’ speech or whether the one time I do in 4 years suddenly I have the presumptuous gall to speak for a grown man to which I must think I am attached at the hip. Make up your mind.

    That defense of Tex was not monitoring speech at all. Tex was not under attack.

    “No nap, no teevee tonight.”

    You have indeed found my weak spot.

  163. “You don’t get it. HRC in the WH is equivalent to losing the WH.”

    Suuuuure.

    Thor?? Same for you?

  164. Tex there is zero doubt Biden for all his eccentricity is more fit for potus than Palin. Biden has visited countries Sarah Palin does not know exist.

    I don’t know why I should be fooled into believing your own competency in judging capability would be any better than your capability in prediction, President, and policy. Tell me how competent this buffoon is again?

  165. That video was funny as hell – especially the last 60 seconds and the profile. That was almost as good as the substitute teacher one, Tigre. ** GUFFAW ** That’s about what many of these “elite” colleges and their students have become.

    How long do you figure it will take us to determine it’s better just to shoot these bastards and man haters and be done with it?

  166. I don’t know, Rutherford. The theocracy of Hope & Change under Obama isn’t fairing so well. Why don’t we give “the Christian” God a shot and see how it works out?

    🙄 🙄

  167. Burp! that was good. James, one of my wife’s cousins who I adore, like the little sis I never had, lost her father this year to a routine surgery gone bad. She barely had time to say goodbye. He came over after WWII and later joined the Army and after that became a citizen. He was a butcher in NY for years. Nicest guy in the world, but if you wanted a picture of him with his cutlery, he’d give this crazy eyed mug for the camera. Looked like something straight out of a poorly made mob movie. She was clearly missing him yesterday.

    ET, Thanks for the Wanda. Always liked that movie. Thank you also Raji for your retraction.
    I simply wanted it clear that I hadn’t said I was voting one way or the other. Call me old fashioned, but I’d like to go through the process. For God’s sake, not all the candidates have even declared yet. But you asked enough times that I owe you this much, I plot my chances of voting for Hillary somewhere beyond two standard deviations on the bell curve.
    I will make my decision on the primary sometime next spring and my decision in the general sometime after the last debates. Then and only then, you might get me to tell you who I’m voting for. And even then, it won’t matter, because if I say it wasn’t Hillary, you’ll just say I’m lying.

    Poolman, your guy is a moron. The only candidate he didn’t name as part of the Jewish plot was the Jewish guy, Sanders. It’s too bad he didn’t listen to Rubio. No matter what you think of the different religions, Israel is our best ally and strongest democracy/free market proponent in the whole M.E.

    I think the Pres. race is an anomaly when discussing money in politics, particularly what happens after the primaries. There is so much news coverage that they could probably get away with out any ads. Most of the ads at that point become negative anyway. It’s not about exposure, it’s about tearing the other gal down. Where the impact would be greatest would be in Congress, the House most dramatically, because of the two year cycle. They never stop raising money. But of course, any change now will effect all elections because it will take a Constitutional Amendment. (I know, dangerous waters. I’m climbing into my rhetorical bomb shelter as we speak)

  168. “It’s not up to me to minimize the rage of the ghetto.

    Ghetto? Motherfucker, I am from Connecticut.

    Greenwich. . . Bitch.”

    😆

  169. El Tigre. Thanks for the video. It is so “funny because its true.”

    He sounds like a good man , Thor. I hope your wife’s cousin can recover soon. Mourning is hard. Our neighbor who climbed the cliffs at Omaha Beach was kind and gentle, but when he had a few drinks, he also had a look.

    I agree it is too early to commit or even predict what will happen to our candidates now.

    What are you wondering, Rutherford? Do you mean Lotta who is an aquaintance? Or do you mean Christine Laken of Lovin Laken? She is about thirty years old. Laken made a series of videos mocking her relative lack of success after her role as Al in a situation comedy. I think they are funny.

    Sarah Palin has been right about the Obamacare death panels, though her description was over the top but catchy.
    Howard Dean “after initially dismissing Palin’s credibililty and assailing her for her remarks, the fist pumping firebrand is coming out forcefully against the IPAB ” Paul Krugman also agreed according to the comments section of RB Pundit in July, 2013.

    Forbes and the Daily Telegraph said in 2014 that though she couldn’t see Alaska from her house, she was right about Russia and Ukraine.

    In case you didn’t know, you can see Russia from Alaska. Big and Little Dionomede Islands are only a couple of miles apart.

    Trib Talk (Why Drill Baby Drill was right Feb 11 2015). Other sources also said she was right.

    How many times has Biden been proven right lately?

  170. I don’t know if BC Jenner is crazy or not, but three songs come to mind. Dude Looks Like a Lady, Lola, and Get Back.

    I’m sorry for posting so many videos today, but some of the comments today angered me so I blew off steam.

  171. Biden deserves props for having his priorities straight with his family.

    He’s still an embarrassment.

  172. James, the dude found doctors to treat a mental disorder through gender surgery. It’s fucked up and the medical community knows it.

  173. James I was referring to Laken and I’m shocked she’s that old. After Lotta I thought you were “inflicting” another teen Internet personality on us. 😊

  174. Rutherford – have you seen this?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/didnt-the-mckinney-tex-police-officer-know-he-was-being-recorded/2015/06/08/504033e6-0df7-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html

    This is precisely what happens when you allow the people with the lowest IQ, the least experience, and the least self-control to carry firearms with authorization to use them. I think every teen in US should have a dashcam in their car, and their cell phones always at the ready.

    And when did US police officers begin talking like that? You think he gets respect from these kids after telling some girl to “get (her) ass over there?” and a dozen other profanities?

    You kiss your momma with that dirty mouth, boy?

  175. Another case of a judge with thin skin with a penchant for playing thought police. I guarantee you this will ratchet up the criticism…not curtail it.

  176. Oh bullshit Try this one on for size, drunk, and pull your head of your ass to get some much needed air:

    Police were called to the scene and attempted to get some of the trespassers to sit down while they investigated. Many of the teens fled and police chased some of them down. This is when the video of the incident with police began. There does not appear to be any video of the initial police contact with the teens.

    One resident, Benet Embry, a black man, posted on Facebook about the events leading up to the police call. “Look, I LIVE in this community and this ENTIRE incident is NOT racial at all,” Embry wrote. “A few THUGS spoiled a COMMUNITY event by fighting, jumping over fences into a PRIVATE pool, harassing and damaging property. Not EVERYTHING is about RACE. WE have other issues that NEED our attention other flights of made up make believe causes.”

    In another post he is critical of media coverage of the incident. “I’ve never seen such irresponsible reporting and miss management of media resources in my life,” he said.

    Another McKinney resident, Bryan Gestner, posted on Facebook, “This was a Twitter party that turned into a mob event. Jumping pool fence. Assaulting 2 security guards, attacking a mother with three little girls. The video doesn’t show everything.” He continued saying the kids were drinking and “smoking weed” and they would not listen to any of the adults around the pool.

    “This isn’t about race,” he continued. “This is about outside kids invading our neighborhood and had no respect for authority or the residents here. I have a target on my back now and I have been threatened by these punks that they are gonna shoot up my house when all I did was try to control the mob and actually tended to the girl and the boy that had a bloody lip.”

    “Yall don’t know the whole story,” Gestner continued. “I commend the officer for handling this situation.”

    Gestner wrapped up his post alleging that these same kids came back into the neighborhood Saturday night. They were “kicking in people’s front door, stole a truck and crashed it into many vehicles. They vandalized dozens of cars and were stealing things.”

    Get your story straight, dickhead. Try feral fucking animals…

  177. re: Palin vs Biden. Good comment on “visiting countries she doesn’t know exist.” Hear! Hear!

    Defending Palin’s intelligence is like standing in the middle of a shitstorm and declaring it a sunny day – it is such obvious sunshine-blowing that it convinces no one of anything except that you are dishonest. Or, perhaps, a little unbalanced.

    As that Aussie girl (No, not Julie Andrews; the writer, Travers!) said, “Just a spoon full of sugar makes the lithium go down.”

  178. Bullshit, drunk. You’re trying to stir trouble, swinger, and the phoniest SOB I’ve ever read. As always, you don’t know a damn thing that transpired, running that stupid mouth of yours. How many toddies you had tonight, drunk, in your great happiness?

    And I didn’t even mention race, did I dickhead?

  179. website whose clever writing is eclipsed only by the blowhard stupidity of its commenting peanut gallery.

    That line from Hucks article cracked me up. Sounded soooo familiar.

    Hey Huck your avatar looks a lot like Croaker from the article. Should I be worried?

    A more serious comment on this later.

  180. Biden deserves props for having his priorities straight with his family.

    What cuts to the bone is the amount of tragedy visited upon this guy. To lose a child is unthinkable and he’s lost two at the bookends of his adult life. Hard not to shed a tear for him.

  181. Agreed. And he put his kids ahead of all else after they lost their mother. And it’s the only good thing I can say about the guy, But it is huge. Decent and respectable when it comes to the fam.

    After that, fuck him. He’s an idiot that represents the absolute worst of American politics. None of his admirable qualities translate into his public life.

  182. Regarding Huck’s article on the Reason.com subpoena:

    1) If a side effect is folks growing the fuck up online, that might be a good thing. There’s a certain pathology to saying whatever you want under the cloak of anonymity.

    2) I’m not overly concerned because the only thing about my presence here that embarrasses me is my profanity. Otherwise, I can attach my real name to anything I’ve written here. Yeah I guess it would be a bit awkward if I ran into Sarah Palin after she read my stuff but that doesn’t keep me up at night.

    3) is anyone here so naive as to believe if push comes to shove, we can’t all be traced somehow, proxy server and fake emails be damned?

    4) Finally, with the exception of G who claims a truly sensitive job, I think it’s a shame that folks like Huck, Tigre and Rabbit feel their careers would truly be compromised if their identities were known. Someone’s free expression of political belief should be off limits to ones employer. Now if you go talking smack ABOUT your employer, then yeah you’re playing Russian roulette. That’s why I never mentioned IBM by name until after my wife got laid off. I didn’t want my comments to come back on her. But that sure as hell wasn’t going to stop me from talking about corporations in general.

    If a job will punish you for your politics, then ideally FUCK THEM.

  183. I agree, Rutherford, Laken looks younger than her age. Besides her self mockery and being a child star, i know nothing about her. I know Lotta

    . Her two step sisters are so much older than she with so little contact they are more like aunts to her. She is essentially an only child, and she considers herself so,. Our grand daughter may be an only child too, so we may be able to discern what works for Lotta which we could apply to our grand daughter.

    A line from Steven King’s “The Stand” comes to mind re Palin-Biden. “Country don’t mean stupid.” I also suggest Gretchen Wilson’s .”Red Neck Woman”Sarah Palin is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them.

    Biden and his family have suffered a lot of pain they don’t deserve, and they seem to be good family people, but he should never be within reach of the presidency.

    I agree, El Tigre, B C Jenner has some emotional problems, and HShe will have even more. Moving from one gender to another is like moving to another country. An LA sports writer became a woman without the final surgery but after nearly two years became a male sports writer again.

  184. While we’re debating the ownership of Iraq and ISIL (was it Bush? Is it Obama?), what there is no doubt to, is that Obama owns in its entirety the Libya situation. That is, of course, until he designates the official goat (HRC?) for the debacle. This is becoming as bad, and has the potential to be worse, than Iraq.

    As Islamic State tightens its grip on Libya, 86 Eritrean Christians have reportedly been kidnapped in the country.

    Human rights activist Meron Estefanos said that the Christians were migrants, the majority of them from city of Adi Keih, and were trying to make their way to Europe. Of the 86, a number were children and at least 12 were women. They were taken in a dawn raid on June 3 while travelling in a truck to Libyan capital, Tripoli.

    According to Estefanos, who co-founded the International Commission on Eritrean Refugees, eyewitnesses said those travelling in the vehicle were divided by their religion, and six Muslims were released by the jihadists. “IS militants asked everyone who is Muslim or not and everybody started saying they are Muslims,” she told IBTimesUK. “But you have to know the Koran, and they didn’t.”

    Three Christians allegedly managed to escape, though it is not clear if their whereabouts are known. Estafanos told The Times: “We are trying to get them to a safe place, but there is no safe place in Libya.”

    In an interview with the Libya Herald, Estafanos added that many migrants are now trying to avoid Libya en route to Europe because of ISIS’ growing influence. She also said that a video released by the jihadist group in April purporting to show the beheading of 28 Ethiopian Christians had been edited. A number of Eritrean Christians were also killed at the same time, she said.

    It is now feared that Islamic State’s latest abductees are facing the same fate.

    But hey, clearly these ISIL folks are Islamic…

  185. “Someone’s free expression of political belief should be off limits to ones employer.”

    Unless of course you’re against gay marriage, in which case the rule is STFU. 🙄

  186. Unless of course you’re against gay “marriage, in which case the rule is STFU”

    Ha ha. And STFU is the easy punishment. Rutherford’s friends make threats to burn your shit down.

    People jobs mean more to R then people who create jobs. Doesn’t matter if its a Lil’ pizza pie shop. Shut the fuck up.

  187. Those are Christians, Gorilla. No big deal.

    In fact, in Rutherford and Pisser’s mind, that’s a good thing they’re being executed because Christians are part of the world theocracy.

  188. Unless of course you’re against gay marriage, in which case the rule is STFU.

    Sometimes I wonder if you think before you type. If you’re referring to the pizza lady, she talked about how her view of gay marriage would effect the conduct of her business. She directly tied her political/moral beliefs to her business conduct and therefore destroyed the separation between the two.

    If Rabbit says “I refuse to teach faggots” in a comment on this blog, then he has connected his beliefs to the conduct of his business. If he simply says “I find homosexuality immoral”, that says nothing explicit about how he would do his job and that ideally should be off limits to his employer.

  189. OAK BROOK, IL (Marketwired via COMTEX) — McDonald’s Corporation today announced the appointments of Robert Gibbs as Executive Vice President, Global Chief Communications Officer and Silvia Lagnado as Executive Vice President, Global Chief Marketing Officer. Both will report to McDonald’s President and CEO Steve Easterbrook.

    “Robert and Silvia are both highly-respected, talented leaders who will bring a wealth of experience and outside perspective to McDonald’s as we build a more modern, progressive burger company,” said Easterbrook. “Returning excitement to our business proposition and brand is foundational to our turnaround plan, and Robert and Silvia — with their respective teams — will play critical roles in bringing this strategy to life.”

    Now, I’ve been under the impression that the ads for McDonalds have been catered towards the black community for some time now, especially the radio ads. I must admit that it’s ironic that McDonalds would think this is the right direction to go. Ray Kroc must be spinning in his grave…

  190. “She directly tied her political/moral beliefs to her business conduct and therefore destroyed the separation between the two.”

    Hahahahahah.

    Stooooooopid.

    She was asked her opinion by a reporter. She didn’t even volunteer it on a blog.

    Explain the distinction for us please. I can’t speak out without repercussions because my profession IS political to a large extent. The context follows.

    I am curious to know why you think she has to STFU because the owner’s daughter was asked about hypothetical pizza reception — something they don’t even do. And let’s not forget that she also said they have no problem serving gays, something they do do, Pajama Dweeb.

    Since your argument style is to create a distinction and claim it makes a difference, this should be good.

    I’ll wait. . .

  191. The comments about Christianity are mindless.

    Mindful. It’s why I never miss an opportunity to call your bluff about the ‘indiscretions’ of black youth following your lead to give you a taste of your own foul mindset. The days of playing Christian doormat at least from this position have come to a close.

    Have no inhibitions, though. I don’t discriminate against any stupidity anymore and am very open to anyone willing to engage on terms of their choosing as long as I am equally armed and the game is fair. If it is not fair, it will become that way. They think me the racist, hateful or politically incorrect? Tough luck. I’m not concerned what most of them may think of me as I have little use for them as well. I try to “civilly” let them know that.

    I find it’s a bitter pill for Lefty bullies and thugs when they discover their words have no effect, and in fact I am perfectly willing to ratchet up the “debate” with a smile on my face, with the demands I’ve got my world and they have got theirs – and the two shall not ever meet. I don’t expect their assistance and they will receive none from me.

    Liberating… 🙂 Yes We Can! Hope & Change!

  192. Rutherford your naïveté is scary. The fact is people are held responsible for their online/social media personas every day. Whether you’re a stewardess who poses for a pic laying across a row of seats or a job applicant hoping to land that first job out of college. Companies have departments that surf the net just to vette and protect imagery tied to the company no matter how loose the connection may be.
    Not for nothing but as an outed individual you may have been denied a job secondary to you “bar”. I don’t know the scope of places you’ve applied but the potential reality is there.

  193. Our daughter is a therapist who manages two offices. Many of her clients are teenaged bad people already in the justice system. Two of her clients were free on the condition that they not drink or take drugs.

    Our daughter explored social media and found their face book photos of a drunken party. She told the authorities and the two kids moved into detention.

    Ten years ago, I called the Weather Service to tell them that though I reported only a trace of snow left on the ground, a two mile wide band of an inch or two was slightly north of us. I said I wished the snow was on our farm so I could ski. The meteorologist who was fifty miles away asked “Are you sure? Check your south lane.” I did, and about 1/3 of the lane was still under snow.

  194. Hahahahahah.
    Stooooooopid.

    This is why I tire of arguing with you. You’re either thick or willfully ignorant.

    As I recall the person in question said the pizzeria would not cater a gay wedding if asked to do so. She did not express a personal political opinion unrelated to the job. On the contrary she spoke on behalf of the firms policies.

    Why do you think most larger companies don’t authorize every employee to speak on behalf of the company either to the press or social media? They want to separate the employees private belief from the company’s public policy.

    Pizza girl expressed company policy, not personal preference.

  195. If you are questioning the pizzeria in Indiana, it was a family owned business, numbnutz…

    How many family owned businesses do you know who have a spokesperson? My gawd, you’re thick.

  196. Among the first things I do in most cases is subpoena the adverse party’s social media pages. They are often treasure troves. People that think that what they broadcast on the interwebs will not be used against them in business or legal disputes are completely deluded. Look at that dickhead now calling himself “Parker” trying to conceal his identity after-the-fact with the dumb Australian bit. We all know who he is. In fact, I’d wager a significant sum that there are folks here that could identify him by name.

  197. “This is why I tire of arguing with you. You’re either thick or willfully ignorant.”

    And his is why I tire of your bullshit avoidance. You can’t explain the difference, you just claim one exists and hope somebody thinks it matters or you can concoct some reason you claim it is. You do it all the time.

    Your point was that people should be able to speak express their political views without fear of reprisal — well unless they need to STFU. Since Alfie stole my thunder, why don’t explain why there is should be or is some kind of exception if you can connect to one’s occupation.

    “Pizza girl expressed company policy, not personal preference.”

    It’s a family run business dumbass. They were one and the same, and the question was put to her because of the IN legislation — a political point.

    I still await this grand distinction. No one would ever claim that you were a spokesperson for IBM or any large company. Of that, I am sure. In fact, the smaller the company, the more likely political comments will be deemed “policy.” And if they are, so what.

  198. “On the contrary she spoke on behalf of the firms policies.”

    The firm’s policies?

    Firm? It’s a fucking pizza shop her dad owned that doesn’t and has never catered a wedding gay or straight.

    I think YOU should stop digging and STFU.

    Talk about not thinking before typing.

  199. Alfie I’m not naive. I used the word “ideally” very deliberately. I know that Rabbit and Huck’s fears are well founded. I’m just saying it SHOULD not be so.

  200. My gawd, you’re thick.

    No you’re thick. She made a statement about the pizzeria’s operating policy. Therefore it was no longer a “personal opinion”.

    You guys argue pure bullshit. You try “gotchas” when you know damn well what I am saying. If you can’t tell the difference between expression of personal belief and statement of business policy then both you and Tigre are fucking idiots.

  201. It’s a family run business dumbass. They were one and the same,

    Wrong lame brain. She didn’t say “I think being gay is immoral”. She said “our business will not cater a gay wedding”. One is s statement of personal opinion, the other a statement of business practice.

    Do you speak fucking English????

  202. No one would ever claim that you were a spokesperson for IBM

    Wrong again. IBM and every company I’ve worked for said explicitly “make sure you do not suggest you are speaking for COMPANY X when you are on social media or talking to the press”. They would not tell employees this if “No one would ever claim that you were a spokesperson for IBM”.

  203. It’s a fucking pizza shop her dad owned that doesn’t and has never catered a wedding gay or straight.

    That the catering was hypothetical is entirely beside the point.

  204. Rutherford, you’re just stupid.

    Go work on your debate skills. Obviously you’re covering for the fact that you don’t have a point.

  205. “They would not tell employees this if “No one would ever claim that you were a spokesperson for IBM””

    Yes they would.

    No one ever considered you a spokesperson for IBM. You were one of the herd and you know it.

  206. They were telling you not to say something that reflects badly on the company — because whom they hire. In your case, a cheerleader for the gay mafia to attack small business at will ’cause you like that message.

    STFU cried Rutherford!

  207. “One is s statement of personal opinion, the other a statement of business practice.”

    Oh. They were different?

    It must be those English skills?

    Duh.

  208. No you’re thick. She made a statement about the pizzeria’s operating policy. Therefore it was no longer a “personal opinion”

    You’re either one of the dumbest men on earth, or are not aware of the “real story” and still too dumb to get it, jackboot.

    The young gal was “ambushed” by a reporter who asked the question and went looking for ammunition on her personal quest. The backlash towards the reporter shut her up butt quick. Your about two months behind the times, as usual.

    It was not even the same town of the original fight – it was a family owned business that advertised with Christian dogma. Hate to tell you this, Rutherford, but you and Pisser represent why most REAL CHRISTIANS know persecution is coming and why there is no turning back and we better get our own heads in the game.

    As I once heard Jerry Lewis say and I believe he was talking about you, “Being handicapped doesn’t keep you from being an asshole.”

    Got news for you my little man. When it comes to that and the facade of your real intent is wiped clean, if you think all of us are going to lay down for your demands of political correctness and kiss the ass of your Gestapo judges, you’re in for the biggest surprise of your life.

  209. R, since you will undoubtedly begin to see how ridiculous your effort of avoidance sounds, is it time to talk about how “rapey” the fellas around here are?

    Gotta love that old chestnut.

    Let me know when you realize that you, Rutherford, are the enemy you claim to oppose.

    We can’t have families discussing their family business when it conflicts with your militant stances on social issues, now can we?

  210. Rutherford, you’re just stupid.
    Go work on your debate skills. Obviously you’re covering for the fact that you don’t have a point.

    Honest to god I don’t know how you got out of college much less law school.

    No wonder you love Cousin Vinny and Saul. They make you look like Clarence Darrow.

  211. No one ever considered you a spokesperson for IBM. You were one of the herd and you know it.

    I swear I would choke you if you were here. You’re driving me crazy.

    MY BEING ONE OF THE HERD IS NOT THE GODDAM MOTHERFUCKING POINT!!!!!!

    People can say things on social media or the press that can be misinterpreted as speaking for their company.

    Example, Joe posts “As an IBM’er I can safely say the folks at HP are crooks.” That comment is more likely to get Joe in trouble with HR than if he simply said “the folks at HP are crooks”.

    Here is your pattern. You know damn well what I’m saying. You don’t want to concede the point so then you resort to calling me dumb or claiming I’m on an ego trip. You’re just so dang obsessed with winning the argument.

    How many times has your wife hit you over the fucking head with a frying pan? If the answer is zero, the woman should be made a saint.

  212. Own a pizza place and you are fucked. Can’t remotely speak your mind. The mob will threaten to burn your shit down. Harvard grads follow up and say shut the fuck up.

    So….if someone asks the pizza family a question in the public sphere, here is all the things even kin of the owner can’t talk about:

    The right bear arms.

    A pro life stance.

    Religious views on marriage and sin

    I guess the list could go on.

    Yup…not even the owner, but the daughter of the owner, better shut the fuck up.

    Mind you, this is after threats by a school teacher to blow the place up as if the Pizza Parlor didn’t pay protection money to the fucking Purple Gang.

    Can you imagine Rutherford telling Shamika the Hair Stylist she should shut the fuck up after threats from the white community to fire bomb the place. All because she simply was called by some right wing rag and, upon a few questions about Ferguson, said “Black lives matter”?

  213. “You’re just so dang obsessed with winning the argument.”

    That ain’t the problem. It’s you being the biggest fucking douchebag on the net with your stance on the pizza shop. You can’t reconcile it with your stance now. So the STFU guy plays games.

    “Example, Joe posts “As an IBM’er I can safely say the folks at HP are crooks.” That comment is more likely to get Joe in trouble with HR than if he simply said “the folks at HP are crooks”.”

    This has something to do with STFU bullshit with the pizza shop or what you refer to as a “firm.” That’s the same as political speech? How do you think the HR department at the pizza shop will react? Are you fucking kidding?

    People should be allowed to speak their minds without adverse job consequences, unless they are a family member of a pizza shop owner and you don’t like what they say, then it’s STFU.

    Guess what R. The pizza shop agreed. It was her dad. They broadcast their religiosity.

    You sound like a fool because you’re trying to have it both ways and nobody’s buying it. You should just STFU.

  214. The right bear arms.
    A pro life stance.
    Religious views on marriage and sin
    I guess the list could go on.

    None of these fall in the category of “we won’t cater a gay wedding”.

    You’re all stoned tonight. Tell me what you’re smoking. I might enjoy it.

    P.S. I’m not saying the anti-gay company stance deserves violent retaliation. But I am saying that a public statement about policy will get your business scrutinized. A PERSONAL statement will also but shouldn’t.

    That was where the entire discussion started – by my saying that you guys ought to be able to express your PERSONAL beliefs without repercussions. But as I told Alfie, the “ought” doesn’t represent reality and I get that.

  215. People should be allowed to speak their minds without adverse job consequences, unless they are a family member of a pizza shop owner and you don’t like what they say, then it’s STFU.

    No no no no no. She wasn’t just speaking her mind. For the 110th time, she was commenting on her businesses policy. There is a difference. Refusing to cater a gay wedding says something about your business. Her expression of PERSONAL belief does not. If she hadn’t answered the STUPID hypothetical about the gay wedding that she would never be asked to cater in the first place and she limited her comments to her personal beliefs, her business would not (or at least should not) have been targeted.

  216. “No wonder you love Cousin Vinny and Saul. They make you look like Clarence Darrow.”

    That’s your insult?

    Okaaaaay. . .

    😆 😆 😆

  217. Hey dumbass. The only statement about their business practices what that they served gays and had no problem with it.

    They don’t cater gay weddings. It was a statement of personal beliefs.

    You really don’t know what she said, do you. She needs to STFU.

  218. And Rutherford believes that a pizza shop family member that just said Muslims are filthy animals that don’t belong in our country is different and ought to let lie whereas the PERSONAL statement about being forced to participate in gay weddings which the law does not require needs to STFU because. . . policy or something.

    She was giving her opinion of the law dumbass. Their, the family’s religious beliefs, would not permit them to participate in a gay wedding. That’s what you were condemning you moron. Her and her family’s PERSONAL beliefs.

    Fuck.

  219. Obama’a dismal failure is a bitter pill to swallow. Even Rutherford knows Obama a grossly incompetent farce and low level grievance hustler. The words just won’t come out. So Rutherford has moved on to “social issues and the Iraq War casualty list.”

    Tigre, the bottom line is Rutherford is a parrot for lost causes. When MSNBC has petered out, there’s always Bill Maher to lift the spirits on Friday night. Maybe a skank joke directed toward Sarah Palin to ease the pain.

    It’s even made it hard for Rutherford to pull out his Maddow DVR recordings to formulate a narrative, the pain so intense, the massive failure so large, the once indefensible, now too obvious to defend. You can only lie to yourself for so long before the emptiness of Hope & Change sinks in.

  220. If you want to boil it all down, it comes to this. Approximately 52% of the country thinks Juan Williams is a genius and George Will and Charles Krauthammer are idiots. ~ Dennis Miller

    😈

  221. They don’t cater gay weddings.

    Oh puhleeeze playa. Are you now saying she made a statement of fact that they don’t cater gay weddings vs they don’t because they wouldn’t if asked to?

  222. On a side note, and God do I want one; you guys have driven me bananas tonight … in the infamous pool party crackdown video, have you guys seen the gun toting cop roll across the ground in pursuit for no apparent reason? Methinks he’s watched one too many episodes of Starsky and Hutch.

    I think I saw a headline that he resigned. Ya think?

  223. “Are you now saying she made a statement of fact that they don’t cater gay weddings vs they don’t because they wouldn’t if asked to?”

    Huh?

    Do you even know what she was asked or what said? Come on. Be honest. You can’t be this dumb. It’s not possible.

    She was expressing a PERSONAL opinion — the very thing you keep saying she wasn’t doing for some fucking reason. They are a pizza joint. They don’t cater weddings you fucking fool.

    I honestly don’t know what’s the matter with you.

    It’s just incredible.

  224. As I recall, she was asked by a reporter if they would cater a gay wedding and she said no BECAUSE OF THE GAYNESS and everyone who observed the exchange laughed “as if a pizza joint would cater a wedding anyway”. It was absurd to begin with but that wasn’t the point. She didn’t tell the interviewer “stupid question, we don’t cater weddings”. She said they wouldn’t cater a gay wedding.

    You’re running away from her point and why it made matters worse for her.

  225. “She didn’t tell the interviewer “stupid question, we don’t cater weddings”.”

    Because of the “gayness?” Huh?

    That’s not what I said she said for fuck’s sake. They could’ve asked whether they felt that they should offer gay couples a cavity search, the answer would be “no.” The point is they don’t offer cavity searches, it is not a “policy” to offer cavity searches to gay or straight couples or even creepy single guys. They serve gay couples that enjoyed cavity searches pizza but performing cavity searches would be against their beliefs. So “if we were asked to perform them we would say no.”

    You are so caught in defending your blindingly stupid STFU comment you don’t even know what you’re saying anymore. THEY SERVE GAYS PIZZA AND SAID THAT WAS NOT A PROBLEM. They were asked about gay marriage and were told what was obviously their opinions based on their openly displayed religious beliefs — beliefs that are not acceptable to the PC gestapo you are trying to defend. They were asked and provided a personal opinion. You know it. Just stop. You’re enough of a fool for your bigotry and STFU routine.

    It is clear you don’t really believe that to express their beliefs and opinions that affect no one publicly without fear of retaliation. And you consider yourself open minded and tolerant. Pathetic.

  226. KFAB Omaha interviewed a rep of a personal defense company which advises private citizens, police departments and other agencies.

    This was not a party gone bad,. It was an invasion of a bi- racial community.. Many of the teenagers attempted to flee, and the police had to stop them if they were going to understand what was happening and to press possible charges. He said the police officer was distracted by a teenaged girl he had on the ground,with two girls interfering, and two large teenaged boys approaching him in a threatening manner. One took off his cap as if he was preparing for a fight. One put his hand in his waist band.

    The rep said he might have pulled his gun under the circumstances. What ever happened, it was less racial and more a bunch of teenagers acting like jerks. The police officer, who has been commended in the past resigned.

    So “what at this point, does it matter? until next time? The police officer is gone as punishment for possibly over reacting.

    What about the federal judge who threw out a qualifying test for teachers because racial minorities got lower scores on the test? (Betsy’s Page)

    The pizza restaurant owners who suffered for their religious beliefs are old news until the next time.Jerry Seinfeld”s saying he has talked to Larry the Cable Guy and Chris Rock, and .none wants to do college campuses any more. We now know liberal fascists will destroy anyone who stands in their way. That is old news.

    When will some of you take responsibility for giving us what you also don’t like? Obama is a good example. Noemie Emery wrote that Obama’s lack of experience is not the problem. He “makes mistakes over and over again with the same result, and learns nothing from them. He disses friends, placates aggressors and seems surprised that aggressors advance and whole regions catch fire.

    I am disgusted, so here is another video. Toni Tone, a Romanian singer unwittingly shows how we are letting liberal fascists change our shining city on a hill into something shabby. We watch it happen and do little more than mutter “shut up and deal.”

  227. Good post, James. Unlike someone who has not had dealings with these feral animals, you can’t appreciate the position these cops are being put in – and I’m not a particularly big fan of many cops. Too many of them are ignorant and bullies with a badge.

    But police are also a necessity unless we are going to have the national guard patrolling our neighborhoods or you are going to let armed neighborhoods cut loose. I don’t relish the thought of killing a man, but if he’s tearing up my property or threatening my family, I’ll blow his head off. I’ll blow his mother’s head off. No hesitation.

    When police tell you to do something, you do it. For every bad cop I meet, I can show you a thousand punks, thugs, bangers, and white trash. The females are bad or worse than the males.

    To be honest, I think a message needs to be sent before this gets completely out of control. These kids have not been raised at all, or are raised to be taught they are special snowflakes, no discipline, no expectation, believing there is no authority, no law they can’t break without punishment, the egg layers and sperm donors who made them also pieces of trash. There is no repairing them. Send ‘um to libbie land and let those assholes deal with them. They made them. But the barricade needs to be set.

    I’m going to say what too many are too cowardly to say but know it in their hearts.

    Going to have to plant a few of these young assholes to send a loud and clear message, and then we might have to plant a few more of their loudest defenders and a few local media types too. The press will howl, the Rutherford’s will gnash, the Pissers will excuse to create strife, thinking they can hide behind their sanctimony. Fuck ‘um. Happens again, rinse and repeat.

  228. Has the left taken control of pool party incident and turned into something useful for their idiots yet? Has Obama weighed in? Has Sharpton been consulted? Is it safe to assume this was caused by Republicans? What are the giant intellects at MSNBC saying?

    Oh boy, I can’t wait.

    If only someone had been shot.

  229. That was a zoo at the pool.

    I’m not sure I saw enough to blame the cop. Did he get fired?

    I am sure I don’t give a flying fuck about it.

    Teens acting out of control in a large group. I’ve been a member of a crazy lemur pack myself back in the day. I’ve also had cops draw guns on us. I guess nobody cares when a dirty white boy gets a gun pulled on him, by thug or cop alike.

    Dangerous situation.

    Are the out of control teens now screaming victim and is MSNBC running with this latest one? Has one become the spokesman of the month for thug rights? You see those bitches fighting? Lol.

  230. Rutherford, as of a couple of days ago, an unknown number of Republicans have not read the so called Obama trade bill, and they support keeping its contents secret. I have read disturbing rumors of the contents, and they may or may not be false. This could be the best thing since sliced bread but we have to take the word of people who want to hide the bill and who have not bothered to read it.

    This is no different from Nancy Pelosi’s saying we needed to pass the ObamaCare bill to learn its contents. We are becoming as shabby as the house in the Romanian video I posted.

  231. “Is America serious enough for Bernie Sanders?” you ask. We aren’t even serious enough for Miley Cyrus.

  232. Requiem for a dream that was the US, but more immediately for a dying friend.

    We don’t have much time she has left, but not much. My wife spent the afternoon with her . Her son’s said she was unresponsive, but not with my wife. She likes music. i may try to get her a copy of this song.

  233. James, you have teed up the easiest crack on your musical taste. I will bite my tongue but do know that I embrace gallows humor.

  234. I do too, El Tigre.

    Our Nordic friend likes Sami music, or she did when she was able to speak in more than several words at a time. I think she might like the song, but my wife believes she is too far gone to appreciate any music.

    For the past two years, she was a big help with my weather reports when I was in Omaha. It is harder to guess now. Most are not as reliable as she was.

  235. I’m not sure I saw enough to blame the cop.

    Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? This wasn’t the ghetto. This was middle class kids. Was the girl hiding a pistol in her bikini bottom? Were the teenagers who came over to see why she GOT THROWN TO THE GROUND packing heat?

    And why 12 cops to handle a pool party disturbance?

    Again, I ask what the fuck is wrong with you? Damn I wish you had a daughter so we could see your reaction when her scantily clad body was thrown to the ground.

    Fuuuuck!

  236. I swear to God this blog may be history in a month or two cos it just steams me too much to look in here and see folks sooo dead set on some “enough of black people” philosophy that they lose sight of human decency.

    And NO, this was not about race IMO but it is about overzealous policing. Now, it’s cool to call everyone a thug and give cops the immediate benefit of the doubt.

    The head of police down there put it perfectly: “11 cops followed procedure, 1 did not.” Case fucking closed!!!

    Next question for police chief, why 12 cops in the first place?

  237. “Now, it’s cool to call everyone a thug and give cops the immediate benefit of the doubt.”

    They were acting like animals. Did you see those two fat pigs fighting. And they were running all over the place acting like morons. Sorry, R….you maybe correct that the cop or cops went over board….who cares? Should I be outraged someone didn’t handle himself correct in a crowd of people not handling them self? Fire him…I don’t give a fuck.

    I’m guessing even good cops screw up in situations like this one out of every 50 calls.

  238. Alfie doesn’t know shit about this trade agreement or other like it that are brewing.

    The secrecy is bull shit.

  239. Themselves……man I’m a moron.

    Why is this pool story even national news?

    A cop probably miss handles himself like this once a night.

    You know how many weird calls they get full of weirdness like that pool party?

    Fuck, man. No one got hurt. Cop fired. Non story.

  240. It seems to me SOME cops have forgotten the distinction between calming a situation and stirring it up.

    I think we need a new video series “Cops Gone Wild”. With all the cams recording this stuff, I could easily make a bundle with near zero production costs.

    Tex, you could surely use a bit of discretionary income. Why don’t you co-produce with me? 😃

  241. What did she do or say to set him off? Whatever it was looked like it had something to it before the camera was rolling.

    The cop looks like he waaay overreacted. But I think the belief is that when he was being flanked by her friends he was concerned about keeping control of his own gun and making sure he wasn’t going to be charged. What does the cop say?

    R, for someone that always gets these wrong, it’s pretty amazing that you take issue with someone wanting to know more. MSNBC got you whipped up?

    Hannity has the young boy that caused the cope to draw his gun on for an interview. Hannity’s being a total chump. MSNBC-style chump.

    My take on it so far: cop panicked, fucked up and was wrong. Without the media, it wouldn’t amount to shit and probably shouldn’t.

  242. Why is this pool story even national news?

    I actually feel the same way about these escaped cons from the upstate NY high security prison. There are violent offenders around us all the time. These two guys are just back among those about to commit heinous crimes and go to jail.

    Other than the Hollywood plot line of their escape, who cares? The media has the surrounding neighborhoods afraid for their lives. Ridiculous.

    By the way I felt the lockdown of Cambridge and surrounding towns right after the Boston bombing equally ridiculous.

  243. “Next question for police chief, why 12 cops in the first place?”

    I heard the real criticism is the opposite. The cop got going at the situation rather than waiting for all of them to arrive and handle it calmly.

  244. I know the TPP is still in the negotiation stage and that there are very sound reasons behind the TPA.
    Don’t be a hysterical loon. It prevents you from being what you’ll need to be later. There will be ample opportunity for Congress and the People to know what is in the finished product and to make intelligent decisions THEN.

  245. “I heard the real criticism is the opposite”

    No man….Rutherford knows all about the pool party, why they were called, what was going on upon arrival and how many police should be back up in a given situation like that in general.

    I bet some MSNBC hack was posing the “why 12 cops question” not even realize the problem went down because of a lack of police in the beginning.

    Mindless Rutherford. Clueless Rutherford.

  246. Hannity has the young boy that caused the cope to draw his gun on for an interview. Hannity’s being a total chump. MSNBC-style chump.

    I googled and couldn’t find that interview. If you can find it without breaking a sweat, please post it. I’d like to see it. The only Hannity stuff I could find was predictably pro-cop.

  247. Something being missed or at least big time obfuscated regards the Texas pool story.
    People are focused on what they perceive as a “disturbance” at a public pool. The truth is the pool is actually a private community pool which was essentially invaded by kids that had no right to be there. Now I believe Casebolt was out of line but there is more than meets the eye here.
    There is enough out there to credibly speculate that community activists were involved in getting black kids to literally risk their lives for more of this “black lives matter” bullshit.
    If you watch the video it is pretty clear a number of kids figured out pretty quick some crazy shit was evolving. My concern is unknown to those kids the call for the party to happen was initiated by folks (adults) connected to the “inclusive communities” group that has been involved in lawsuits against McKinney and has a sort of speciality of defining and finding racism in housing arrangements and community planning.
    This story is huge not for the reason of an over adrenaline officer pushing a girl down to the ground. It is huge because all across America there are folks seeking to ratchet up tension literally in other folks living rooms.

  248. The NYT Rubio speeding tickets and “luxury speedboat” crapola is mana from heaven for anybody with a sense of humor. What tools. Hillary doesn’t drive a car, the fishing boat could be moored in Hillary’s backyard swimming pool (really, someone did a satellite image and placed it in there to scale for yuks), what was spent on the boat is like three days property tax on the condo given to Chelsea. . .

    Fucking NYT. 😆

  249. “Fucking NYT” Get used to it. I thought there might be a slower roll out of the Clinton Cleanse stuff but nope. I saw an article about how Bill will give up paid speaking gigs if wifey gets the 1600 gig. I was beside myself how people will gobble that up and ignore the actual depths of the Clinton Foundation State Department stuff.

  250. Oh it’s pro-cop. Stupid pro-cop. He’s doing that shouting down and interrupting crap with a young kid that’s trying to be respectful and explain what was going on. Plus Hannity keeps accusing the boy of doing some kind of weird “dance” that was disconcerting when it is plain as day that the kid got excited, ran up to see what was happening to the little girl, slipped and backed off.

    I just saw it. I think it’s broadcast live. Or is it a repeat at this time? I’ll look. . .

  251. I bet some MSNBC hack was posing the “why 12 cops question”

    Not unless the MSNBC hack was my wife.

    Two cops? Three? Hell, even four or five. But 12?

    But yes I do get it that Dirty Harry should have gone in with his partners and not rushed in like a lunatic. I believe the police chief said the cop went into the scene “out of control”.

  252. Alfie what’s odd about your assessment is that a black resident said the neighborhood in question was integrated and peaceful. So why would race hustlers target THAT neighborhood?

  253. 130 feral, bikini clad breeders and butt humping bulls and Rutherford, you want what? Two cops? Four cops? 130 punks who won’t follow directions and you think a dozen cops too much?

    What they really needed was about 130 cops armed with batons to snap dat neck followed by rock salt inserted in both cheeks courtesy of a 12 gauge. Throw them in the pool and then taze the pool. You can get a whole lot of them in one shot. They won’t need sheen for the rest of their natural lives.

    Rutherford, these are same kind of animals that assaulted your father. Who gives a damn what color they are? They are uncivilized, ill mannered, brainless thugs and stooges, both sexes, looking for trouble. Throw that fat white punk kid in with them for all I care.

    The HOA needs to brush up on the Castle Doctrine. You wouldn’t need to call the cops except for pick up.

  254. I don’t get the criticism of having 12 cops. How many kids were there? I gotta believe they don’t know what might be required before arriving. I wish I could get a dozen cops to arrive around here when shit goes down. Seems to me that 24 or 50 would be fine if they’re available. What’s the problem with 12?

  255. Not buying it R. Everything I’ve read speaks to McKinney being east & west with the west having the newer developments. The pool is found within a development called Craig Ranch. The east part of McKinney is 50% white,west comes in at 80+. The east is where section 8 housing and related development on a socio-economics side has been focused. That focus is how McKinney “lost” its earlier lawsuit.
    The re-segregation of America based on $$$ and by default then race is what you’re seeing here.
    The thing is this is a normal response to societal stimuli. Crime,schools etc. The solution is more toxin than cure though.

  256. Even MSNBC is laughing at the NYT Tigre. But you want to know the best part? Whenever Rubio is questioned on camera about the stuff he just smiles and treats it like the nothing burger it is.

    What’s your guess? Was this Hillary oppo research or Bush oppo research that got leaked to the Times?

    That’s what I love about primary season. ALL the knives are out!!!

  257. Well Thor, I may be deluded but I don’t think liberal viewpoints are a problem. It’s the libs that try to punish and silence conservative speech.

  258. 130 punks who won’t follow directions and you think a dozen cops too much?

    Wrong again. Witness SYMPATHETIC to the cops said about SEVEN bad kids fucked up the party.

  259. I thought it was already uncovered as Hillary opposition research.

    Maybe so. I hadn’t seen that. I’ve heard Rubio is the one Team Clinton is most afraid of.

  260. “Ok Tigre, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying Hannity gave a sympathetic interview to one of the kids.”

    No. He was attacking the kid who in the brief moments he was allowed to speak seemed okay. Almost chastened.

    It could be a put on. But Hannity being a dick was no put on.

  261. Witness SYMPATHETIC to the cops said about SEVEN bad kids fucked up the party.

    Yeah, well math never was a strong African-American suit. I don’t buy that for a minute.

  262. Seven? There were more than seven in the video.

    The residents were trying to fuck up the party.

    I ain’t buying the seven figure either.

  263. Benét Embry, the host of an Internet-radio talk show, lives in the neighborhood and said he had seen the party grow out of control. Mr. Embry said as many as 130 young people had attended the party.

    He said some of them scaled the pool’s fence after being turned away from the entrance by a security guard, who eventually called the police.

    In a phone interview on Monday, Mr. Embry expressed concerns, as an African-American man, about seeing a 15-year-old black girl in a swimsuit on the ground. “Of course I had concerns when I saw the officer pulling a gun,” he said. “That’s when I started thanking God that nobody got hurt. But I don’t believe that the officer was coming out to pick on black kids.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/us/mckinney-tex-pool-party-dispute-leads-to-police-officer-suspension.html?_r=0

  264. Seven doesn’t fuck up a party of 130. And I was at parties that were shut down when I was a teenager. It’s herd mentality. Can turn into a mini riot in a split second.

  265. What would you consider an effective rate of “planting” Tex? 5 a day? These are human beings, after all. 99% of the time, the police have done what they had to, but when someone gets killed, except in the most extreme circumstances, society in some measure has failed.

    WASHINGTON, May 30 (Reuters) – U.S. police have shot and killed 385 people during the first five months of this year, a rate of more than two a day, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.

    Some more of the numbers.

    “The Post’s analysis showed that about half the victims were white, half minority. Among unarmed victims, two-thirds were black or Hispanic.

    Based on census numbers for the areas where the killings took place, blacks were killed at three times the rate of whites or other minorities.

    The victims ranged in age from 16 to 83. More than 80 percent were armed with potential lethal objects, mostly guns. Ninety-two victims were identified as mentally ill.

    Police are authorized to use deadly force when they fear for their lives or the lives of others. Three of the 385 fatal shootings have resulted in an officer being charged with a crime.”

    I think the headline should have been that everyone walked away. Like Rabbit said, these guys and gals deal with so much bullshit we never hear about, we mostly only hear when it goes bad, or better yet, when someone in the media “perceives” something has gone bad and then they go searching for “facts” to back up their perception.

  266. Well Thor, I may be deluded but I don’t think liberal viewpoints are a problem. It’s the libs that try to punish and silence conservative speech. – ET

    I understand that’s how you view it, I was just poking fun at your Jason-and-the-Argonauts-scale epic journey of logic over the last two days with R and the pizza story. That’s the problem with clay-mation skeletons, you hack ’em up and they just keep going. Like Zombies on meth.

  267. Oh, please Thor. This is a country of 330,000,000 people. And you think 385 thugs in 5 months is excessive? Let’s do a little math.

    Since I know math isn’t your strong suit either, 924 people a year extrapolated killed by police. That amounts to 0.00028% of the U.S. population.

    Well, try this one on for size. 126 officers were killed in 2014. That’s a 24 percent increase from 2013. There are 765,000 actively serving police officers in the U.S. last year That is 0.01647% of the active police officers killed.

    Looks to me like like cops are 5882% more likely to be killed by a deranged thug, than a citizen killed by a cop.

    But here’s your biggest screw up.

    blacks were killed at three times the rate of whites or other minorities.

    Yeah, and blacks are 6-8 times more likely to commit violent crime than whites or other minorities. So it looks like whites and other minorities got a real beef with blacks getting special treatment.

    But here’s a little fun fact you ought to put to memory. Whites are 200 times more likely to be assaulted by the black community than blacks are to be assaulted by the white community.

    Do you happen to see a common them running through the equation here? Or are you as blind as bat about this too?

  268. I don’t understand why you limp-wristed lefties are determined to undermine the police. You pussies are the most vulnerable people on earth – completely helpless and hapless. 😛

    You Obama flacks help me to understand why you loons are dying to watch the crime rate skyrocket. You want Spokane to look like Baltimore, do you Thor? I promise you that you take the cops out of the equation and it will.

    If I were a cop, I’d either retire or I would let the worthless bastards have at the neighborhood. And that is exactly what you are starting to see in Baltimore.

    I still hope the military lays down its weapons and tells Barack Obama to go fuck himself.

  269. ” and to make intelligent decisions THEN.” Want to bet Alfie? Past behavior gives me little reason to trust them. An unknown number of Congress people haven’t even read the legislation. That in itself is disgusting.

    “so why would race hustlers target That neighborhood?” Maybe they just wanted to party after social media advertised the party. The race baiting came later.

  270. And you think 385 thugs in 5 months is excessive? Let’s do a little math.

    I never knew there was a thug statistic. 😆 I wonder if any of those thugs were human beings at any given point? I think militarization of the police force has made them more dangerous to the average citizen that can get caught in the fray.

    You’re 55 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/youre-55-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html

    Don’t go telling that to the folks orchestrating ISIS. They got a whole lotta investment in that feary tale. 😈

  271. Wonder how that math works too, Poolman? Do you remember any one time where police killed 3,000 people in one day? Or how about a year? Or how about even 168 people in one day?

    I don’t remember that.

    You and the Washington blog explain it to me. I’m too lazy to read your link.

  272. Oh, I knew you would immediately try to marginalize it when it busts your little ass for lying and hyperbole.

    Problem is, these are locals who have pictures, brochures, rules, and the front gate. You and MSNBC got something better?

  273. HMM. Interesting. Why did you bring race up?

    You said this-
    “Going to have to plant a few of these young assholes to send a loud and clear message, and then we might have to plant a few more of their loudest defenders and a few local media types too.”

    So I asked what an effective rate of killing would be, in your opinion, to bring about the behavior you desire. You, of course, did not answer that question. I wasn’t condemning the police at all. I threw the 99% out as a figure of speech, but the numbers actually are extremely close to that. Lets see, 382/385 = .9922077.

    So, setting the race card aside, what increase in kill levels would bring about the behavior you desire? Keep in mind that about a fourth of the dead “thugs” were mentally ill. What level of killing will it require to teach mentally ill people what proper behavior is?

  274. The article was TMI and I’m damn sure not going to waste my time with the videos.

    First, from what I read, folks outside the neighborhood caused the trouble.

    Second Tex, if I’m not making this about race, why are you? FWIW, the girl “Grace” in the article looks white to me.

    This was teens out of control, not blacks out of control.

  275. Thor, the HONEST truth is Tex is a corporate/med school wonk who talks big on the Internet and builds decks in the backyard. He needs police protection as much as you and I do. I shouldn’t speak for you Thor but I suspect if the three of us were confronted by a real gun wielding thug, we’d all piss our pants. Correct that: I’d crap mine.

    No disrespect to the gang here but if I had to hire “protection” I’d have Rabbit, Gorilla and Alfie on my security team. (Maybe James who’s probably got the gusto of a much younger man).

  276. feary tale – Poolman

    Intended? I love that.

    On average, police have to kill about 400 people a year in this country (this year’s numbers are obviously trending much higher). So that means it took about eight years for the police to catch up to the terrorists. Or, in other words, the terrorists would have to succeed on a 9/11 scale once every 7 or 8 years in order to keep up with the police. Slow and steady wins the race.

  277. Oh, come now Rutherford. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man only once. ISWTPAGRT. You’re going to have to unzip that slightly damaged cocoon some time and fly out into eternity with the rest of us. And if Tex is the band leader, I’m going to be really pissed. Tulsa hayseed bluegrass bullshit for all of eternity. That would truly be my hell, unless it included some Don Williams.

    or my favorite

  278. “Slow and steady wins the race.”-Thor

    To compare people the police had to kill to the victims of 911, an attack where hundreds of police died in as well, is pretty disgusting. I hope that was lame attempt at humor.

  279. “It’s herd mentality. Can turn into a mini riot in a split second.”

    You got that right.

    That’s what looked like was starting to happen.

    That cop was being flanked by lemurs.

    He pulled his gun out, maybe to secure his weapon or maybe not. Straight to MSNBC. And now we are talking about it.

    I’ve never seen morale of police so low.

    I garuntee a national crime wave.

    If that video is supposed to be adding to the narrative of police brutality, my yawn is massive.

    Rutherford, I will donate a dollar to a charity of your choice for every day you don’t watch cable television shows that tell you how to think.

    Watch that video sans Hannity or pathetic MSNBC and you will see it for what it is. An incomplete snippet of a teen party completely out of control and a cop that may or may not have fucked up. End of story. So no story.

  280. “Not according to this interview.”

    You made me watch that?

    The residents called the cops. There were too many kids there. They started jumping the fence and shoving their way in. There were 130 of them.

    What’s your point?

  281. DR, I’ll double that. Another dollar a day if we can see what Rutherford thinks rather than MSNBC.

    Thor, I’m glad Rutherford has a friend around here. I don’t think you help him as much as you think, but at least you’re a shoulder to cry on. So. . . .

    Rutherford’s weird-assed take on the pizza shop incident was totally asinine and proved that he didn’t even know what had happened or was said. The fact that you applaud his pretzel logic is predictable and frankly more proof of how fucked up it is. Logic just ain’t your bag baby.

    But at least he’s got a friend. Ajax was all he got before your return. Ajax basically called him a pussy and an idiot, shouted at everyone else then left at the beginning of every post. Though the depth of his commentary was not much different than yours, you do return later in the thread as Rutherford runs around like the cop at the Texas pool party.

  282. “No disrespect to the gang here but if I had to hire “protection” I’d have Rabbit, Gorilla and Alfie.”

    That would make the list of suspects in your murder 3.

    After the pizza shop stupidity, I’d like them to be your “protection” too.

    Uh oh. Was that a threat or a micro-aggression, or both. Thor, got any “safe zones” to escort your helpless friend too?

  283. Gawd the media wants this pool party nothing to be a racial incident so bad. They just can’t get it there with the neighbors and witnesses. If only they could bring their liberal sensibilities to destroy and divide another neighborhood. No justice no peace. Hands up, don’t shoot. We are 14 year old bikini-clad black girls!

    Rutherford as you try to reduce Tex to your level, I have to offer one observation. If I were going to break into a house and want to make it out, I would pick yours over Tex’s. And something tells me he’s got way better shit to steal than you.

    Shit, I could probably complete your 4 hour daily MSNBC regimen on TiVo and walk out the door at your place. Well so long as I didn’t stop to make a snack in that filthy kitchen of yours. I’d probably get salmonella. Have you cleaned that shit yet?

  284. I like Don Williams’ music too.

    The Miami Herald reported according to radio KFAB that the police officer had two suicide calls before went to sort out the thug invasion of the pool party. A high school principal offered support for the police officer in the comments section, and now he has been fired.

    It is possible school rules forbid any political discussion, but then again, the natural suspicion is that the principal was on the wrong side of liberal orthodoxy.

    Where were the parents during this?

    Another story quoted Chicago blacks who are so discouraged they may not vote next time. Good. Some of them who viewed a vote for Obama as akin to a religious experience shouldn’t be with in ten miles of a polling station. They got what they deserved as do the young thugs who kill each other nightly in our big cities.

    I scared my wife last night when I fell out of bed. The man who had attacked me over forty years ago grabbed me and I twisted quickly enough to get my arm around his neck. I pressed against his throat and jugular with my fist. His face began to change color. I didn’t get to feel his muscles relax because, “thud” I was on the floor.

    That dream is a lot better than the man and his daughter frying in a wrecked truck. I have learned to change such dreams in my sleep. Playing songs like “Ghost” in my mind alters the dreams.

    Ella Henderson, who co- wrote “Ghost” with Brian Tether of One Republic are Christians, and the lyrics allude to the power of prayer. The image of going to the river may hint at the cleansing power of baptism. ” I had to go through Hell to prove I’m not insane.” says the song. The jury is still out for me, but I have more fun than a human should have. .

    Something evil has a hold on our country right now. We see one facet in the racial attacks on our police and the lying politicians who claim to represent us. We need to “give up the ghost,” soon. I agree with rabbit. The crime wave is already starting, but those criminals are not where I am. Those people did it to themselves. Let them suffer the consequences. Maybe after “going through hell” they will see the light.

  285. Do you remember any one time where police killed 3,000 people in one day? Or how about a year? Or how about even 168 people in one day?

    If they did, our media wouldn’t report it.

    Or they did have to report on it, it would say they all were thugs and essentially plant guns on them like our soldiers were documented doing to those they blew away in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Everyone is a thug or a terrorist after they have been killed and can’t speak for their actions.

    Like I’ve said here in the past: Terrorist or freedom fighter depends on what side you are on. We own the news and write the history books we read so we are the good guys. We even have the white hats and the right theology to prove it.

    Imagine if history was written by the Japanese…

    Little Boy immediately killed 80,000 in one day and Fat Boy immediately killed another 40,000 three days later. That’s 26 911s and 13 911s. Tens of thousands more died slowly from radiation (BTW many died/are dying from cancers due to radiation exposure ‘officially’ from ‘jet fuel’ from 911). Were these people enemy combatants? Whatever you label them, most were just like you and me trying to live life as best as they could – raising their families and minding their own business.

    Of course our history books don’t label that a terror event, though I’d bet some of those folks felt a little more than terrorized.

  286. I hope that was lame attempt at humor.-dr

    It was not a judgment or attempt at humor. It was math. Someone challenged Poolman’s math. I showed that he was right, it just goes unnoticed because it happens over a long period of time instead of a single day. TV prefers crisis over long, protracted struggles.

  287. “Those people did it to themselves. Let them suffer the consequences. Maybe after “going through hell” they will see the light.”

    The liberals and the liberal media had a lot to do with it too. They will not suffer the consequences.

    Funny thing about dependents and cowards. They are attracted to power. It’s why the dependent and cowardly sometimes go with the mob and other times go with the police/state. It is always situational and universally one more step towards captivity.

  288. The fact that you applaud his pretzel logic is predictable and frankly more proof of how fucked up it is – ET

    I didn’t applaud his logic, I was giving you props for trying so hard. I don’t know the pizza story and something tells me I don’t want to know it. Probably zero calorie just like the pool party.

    “Thor, I’m glad Rutherford has a friend around here. I don’t think you help him as much as you think, but at least you’re a shoulder to cry on.” ET

    This cracks me up. I doubt I’ve ever “helped” R. I make him laugh every once in a while, and he me. But we’re just two beer cans on the same fence, getting the same holes punched in us by your .22’s. Perhaps I’ve taken a few of the shots that would have otherwise been directed at him, but that’s about it.

    R, in case I haven’t said it recently, I appreciate you hosting this nut house.

  289. “It was not a judgment or attempt at humor. It was math.”

    Now was that a lame attempt at humor?

    If not, why didn’t you use the number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants, or the number of abortions, or whites killed by blacks or something?

  290. “This cracks me up. I doubt I’ve ever “helped” R. I make him laugh every once in a while, and he me. But we’re just two beer cans on the same fence, getting the same holes punched in us by your .22’s. Perhaps I’ve taken a few of the shots that would have otherwise been directed at him, but that’s about it.”

    True and well put.

  291. “I didn’t applaud his logic, I was giving you props for trying so hard. I don’t know the pizza story and something tells me I don’t want to know it. Probably zero calorie just like the pool party.”

    I wouldn’t say zero calorie. Certainly symptomatic signal of the absurdity of the left’s flawed approach to those that don’t carry the very beliefs,and efforts to silence through threats, a/k/a hate described as diversity and tolerance.

    Rutherford claims that these unsophisticated small town proprietors that expressed no malice whatsoever but rather strong moral/religious conviction concerning traditional marriage when asked about it (they did not seek out the microphone), one that has existed from the very inception of the concept of marriage in all cultures by the way, need to just STFU. The moral clarity in his STFU approach while discussing what people should be allowed to express without fear of retaliation from those that don’t agree is pitifully lacking. His horseshit fiction to justify it is laughable even though I think in his heart-of-hearts he knows it.

  292. Thor, got an answer for me on this?

    “[W]hy didn’t you use the number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants, or the number of abortions, or whites killed by blacks or something?”

  293. A textbook application of the “Rutherford Rule” of restricted social and political commentary:

    “He did nothing wrong,” Iber wrote in a comment that showed his Facebook picture, name, school and title. “He was afraid for his life. I commend him for his actions.”

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article23616994.html#storylink=cpy

    Think he would’ve been removed if he had said the “correct thing” Rutherford?

    Oh well. He included his position in his description therefore possibly school policy or racism or some such shit could be inferred. He said “the wrong thing” it at his own risk. If an incident occurred at his school it might be its “policy” or code of conduct to side with the racist cops.

    He needed to STFU cried Rutherford!

  294. On another note, on the job today I was setting up a customer for mobile alerts. After I got his phone number, I asked for the carrier. Without skipping a beat he told me it was a “free Obama phone”. I nearly hit the floor. Always thought those were an urban legend. Sadly my company doesn’t support alerts to Obama phones. 😐

  295. “Little Boy immediately killed 80,000 in one day and Fat Boy immediately killed another 40,000 three days later. That’s 26 911s and 13 911s. Tens of thousands more died slowly from radiation (BTW many died/are dying from cancers due to radiation exposure ‘officially’ from ‘jet fuel’ from 911). ” etc., etc..

    Do yourself a favor and read a complete account of the battle for Okinawa. That kind of fighting was what the American GIs were facing in the upcoming (next, actually) fight for the Japanese homeland. Battle-weary veterans, fresh from years – YEARS – of fighting in Europe are facing redeployment to Japan, where best estimates are 1million American casualties and maybe ten times that many Japs.

    It’s just too damn bad they didn’t have the Bomb on December 8, 1941.

  296. thor said: “So, setting the race card aside, what increase in kill levels would bring about the behavior you desire? Keep in mind that about a fourth of the dead “thugs” were mentally ill. What level of killing will it require to teach mentally ill people what proper behavior is?”

    Damn. Knocked that one out of the park.

    (But keep in mind that Clytie/Slack would be the first to go.)

  297. Pools I haven’t studied it but I haven’t heard the actual case for what we did to Japan. Why couldn’t we defeat them with conventional weapons?

    The best part is we self righteously oppose nuclear proliferation when we are the only country in history to have nuked another country. Not once, but twice.

    Gotta love America!

  298. “The best part is we self righteously oppose nuclear proliferation when we are the only country in history to have nuked another country. Not once, but twice.”

    Yeah imagine that. We trust our own use and not others. Seems so “unfair.” 🙄

  299. The guy that writes this:

    “It’s just too damn bad they didn’t have the Bomb on December 8, 1941.”

    Writes this moments later:

    “. . .What level of killing will it require to teach mentally ill people what proper behavior is?”

    Damn. Knocked that one out of the park.”

    Yeah. Grand slam. 🙄

    I say 100% kill rate when it comes to defending against death or great bodily harm. . even the mentally ill. Too high?

  300. “Probably the best comment on this topic so far. Mental children raising actual children.”

    Methinks the teenagers were being teenagers, and like all flash mob-like events, it got out of hand fast. Like 12 cops out of hand. 😆

    So you expect mom and/or dad to accompany their teenagers to fucking pool party with other teenagers? You definitely grew up in a different universe my friend.

  301. I didn’t applaud his logic, I was giving you props for trying so hard.

    Damn don’t I get props for trying just as hard arguing with a man who couldn’t follow a logical narrative if his life depended on it?

  302. “Always thought those were an urban legend.”

    You obviously never went on a Sunday drive in Detroit in the 2010. The free Obama phone signs were every where.

  303. You might not like my splitting hairs Tigre but tough shit.

    The Miami principal, according to your own quote from the article, tacitly tied the school to his personal opinion and therefore exposed himself to disciplinary action.

    Had he made the same post without his school title attached to it, and THEN got fired, I’d scream bloody murder.

    That’s what got this entire conversation started — my statement that its a shame that you, Rabbit etal can’t express yourselves as private citizens without fear of reprisal.

    Did Iber actually have his affiliation in the FB post or was it just in his profile? Makes a difference in my book.

  304. “Did Iber actually have his affiliation in the FB post or was it just in his profile? Makes a difference in my book.”

    Hahahahahahahaha.

    I can’t breathe.

    I know you’re real name, where you live, and what you do. ‘Cause you told us. Which I thought was the point: no need for anonymity.

    It’s amazing what you’ll say with a straight face to salvage a ridiculous point.

    p.s. it wasn’t the identification of his position on the tweet that resulted in the termination. It was his position and his opinion. Period.

  305. Jean and I argued about using nuclear weapons on Japan at the other site. I won the argument and she was so angry she wouldn’t argue with me again. As Parker wrote, an invasion would have been a blood bath. Civilians were armed and trained to do whatever means possible to slow or stop our advance. Thousands would have fought to the death.

    The Japanese in Okinawa often fought to the death. Civilians jumped from cliffs to avoid capture.

    The Germans were working on an Atomic bomb and a missile system. They were also experimenting with jet air craft. They would have used the bomb on us had they had the time. I agree we should have nuked them too. Our fire bombs killed a lot people too.

    I agree, kill them all if need be. The best alternative is the funny farm where they can weave baskets and smile at the mentally enhancing drugs in their systems.

    I expect Mom and Dad to teach their children not to sass police officers and not to invade other people’s parties. I expect Mom and Dad to at least make an effort to know what their offspring are doing. The kids may do the opposite, but their parents’ responsibility is to at least make the effort.
    We trust our use of nukes and not others because we are better than other countries. American exceptionalism is tattered, but it exists. At least it is what we tell ourselves. Another possibility is what I learned in the service. “Better you than me.”

    Yes, Rutherford, there is an Obama phone. They could be called Bush phones. I think the program began under his administration.

  306. “That’s what got this entire conversation started — my statement that its a shame that you, Rabbit etal can’t express yourselves as private citizens without fear of reprisal.”

    Still laughing, R.

    What was his “official position?” That the cop was right? Oh the horror. The school thinks the cop didn’t do anything wrong. The kids lives have been jeopardized with the “official position.”

    Come on Rutherford. Stop clinging.

  307. “The kids may do the opposite, but their parents’ responsibility is to at least make the effort.”

    But where were they James. Where were they. . .

  308. On a more serious note, I could understand the termination if he were asked and said he would to cater an event involving black teenagers in swimwear. That could be viewed as an official position, unlike the actual “official position” of the family owned pizza joint where there was no confusion. . . wait a minute. . .

  309. So you expect mom and/or dad to accompany their teenagers to fucking pool party with other teenagers?

    I expect my kid to be aware of the company they’re keeping and get the hell out when things go south.

  310. it wasn’t the identification of his position on the tweet that resulted in the termination. It was his position and his opinion. Period

    IF that is true, it’s a damn shame.

    By the way hipster, Facebook posts are not called “tweets”. That word is reserved for Twitter. Or would you like to argue that point too?

  311. “I expect my kid to be aware of the company they’re keeping and get the hell out when things go south.”

    That wasn’t the comment or the question that was so on target.

  312. “By the way hipster, Facebook posts are not called “tweets”. That word is reserved for Twitter. Or would you like to argue that point too?”

    Oh nooooo. I bow to the guy that calls a pizza joint a “firm.” 😆

    Does it make difference somehow?

  313. “IF that is true, it’s a damn shame.”

    What about the “tacit” part?

    If ones job/profession is well known, isn’t everything “tacitly tied?”

  314. I bow to the guy that calls a pizza joint a “firm.”

    That was funny. But what would you call the “joint” in a legal brief? Don’t you figure they were a DBA, LLC or some such thing? I call that a firm.

    “Eh yo honor, I’d like to file a suit against da joint.” 😂

  315. I think it was called Memories Pizza. But depending on whom I represented it might very well call it the “Walkerton Pizza Joint” or alternatively “O’Connor’s pizza shop.”

    I don’t think I would use firm for a sole proprietorship unless it was professional. Can’t say as I recall having heard it use in any context that was professional.

    But if you think “Eh yo honor, I’d like to file a suit against da pizza firm” sounds right, that would be consistent with your off-kilter view of all corporations which, like O’Conner’s pizza joint, are made up of greedy millionaires that don’t pay their fair share or some such bullshit.

  316. “any other context”

    p.s. in terms of a lawsuit, you have to name the proper party in interest which would be the legal corporate name or in the case of a sole proprietorship the owner himself. General partnerships you generally name the individual partners. In a brief, I would identify the formal name, then choose same descriptive name to color or simplify. In keeping with what I said, if I wanted to highlight that it was a family owned business, I would introduce the legal name, then I might define it as O’Conner’s Pizza because of the connotation. If I wanted the opposite inference, I might define it as “MPS” for Memories Pizza Shop to sanitize the personal connection. When someone is a good guy I will usually refer to them by their first name, and when bad I will usually refer to them by their last name only unless I am trying to degrade from a title of reverence. The infamous are usually referred to by last names way, e.g. Hitler, Stalin, Dillinger. . . .Obama. Barbara Boxer would never be referred to as Senator or Boxer. The bitch would be called Barbara.

    Pizza “firm” is a new one to me.

  317. The fruits of my unanticipated freed up day are vast. Almost time for a new thread. I have really enjoyed myself today. I do love me.

  318. R, since I kind of trashed the joint, or “firm” if you will, you’re welcomed to delete my comments today with the exception of my question to Thor. The parallel he drew to 9/11 was pretty out there and revealing of a mindset — in a bad way.

  319. Thor, got an answer for me on this?

    “[W]hy didn’t you use the number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants, or the number of abortions, or whites killed by blacks or something?” – ET

    Because Pools’ original comparison was between the odds of a terrorist killing you and a police officer killing you. Having such action taken by an immigrant or an abortion doctor or a black person against a white person was not part of his statement.

    “You’re 55 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.” – Poolman

    To which Tex queried, “Wonder how that math works too, Poolman? Do you remember any one time where police killed 3,000 people in one day?”

    I simply explained it to him, a small number of people being killed on a daily basis for years on end adds up to more deaths than one big attack every decade. Therefore, the odds are greater that you will be killed by an officer of the law than a terrorist. It’s not that complex.

    I’m sorry I missed your snow day.

  320. Therefore, the odds are greater that you will be killed by an officer of the law than a terrorist. It’s not that complex.

    Welcome to my world Thor. Now he’ll argue you to the death about it. 😏

  321. The official banquet is over. Now the kids dance for two friggin hours. And my kid can dance all night long.

    The adults drink and yell at each other over the din of the music. This is my third year of this and the torture gets worse every year. I’m too old for this shit. I shoulda had kids in my early 20’s not 40’s.

  322. R – Crazy begets crazy. The cops have the ability to cool things down or they can come bustin’ ass in (like these guys did) and escalate the situation until they end up killing some kid.

    By definition, teens don’t have the experience or school’in to react appropriately, BUT THE COPS DO, and IN POINT OF FACT, THAT’S THEIR JOB. They are supposed to defuse situations, not escalate them. Defuse is precisely what this cop did not do.

    Here’s how he should have handled it. He should have driven up at a normal speed, parked his car across the street, and he and his partner should have strolled across and said to the closest kid, “Hey, we got a call that there was a fight going on here. So what happened?” And talked to the kids sensibly, asked to talk to the two fighters after saying, “We just want to talk to the guys involved to make sure everything is over; don’t worry; nobody is going to jail.” Then you hang around a little while, make sure everything is back to normal, wave goodby.

    None of which these cowboys with a license to kill, did. Rutherford is very right about “welcome to my world.” And it’s a fucked-up one.

  323. Indeed you did Thor. I didn’t connect the terrorist comments from Tex and Poolman to what you said. I thought you were making a fucked up comparison, especially after your response to DR.

    R, you’re still an idiot. STFU. 😆

  324. Yeah, that’s how they should’ve handled Parker.

    Then the cops could’ve suggested they have a break dance competition to settle their differences.

    And the end it wouldn’t have mattered who won. The kids all would’ve know “that cop is cool.”

  325. Pools, we were already killing the Japanese civilians. This is how war was waged during WWII, on both sides. Tokyo lost over 100,000 people just weeks earlier in conventional fire bombing. It seems absurd, but killing tens of thousands actually saved millions. The Japanese would not have surrendered. Read about the last mission of the battleship Yamato. Fanaticism mixed with honor and pride. The people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were sentenced to death by the arrogance of their own leaders a decade earlier when they decided the Pacific Rim was their candy store.

  326. “Then the cops could’ve suggested they have a break dance competition to settle their differences.” – ET

    I don’t know. It could have ended up like this.

  327. Fanaticism mixed with honor and pride.

    Sounds like us, except maybe the kamikaze aspect. Kamikaze is more the suicide bomber type. Some are bred to be ‘the bomb’. 😯 In the west we do have our mind-controlled along with our martyrs. History recalls them. We recall the stories we’ve been told. We’ve also taken out our own when deemed necessary. Who does the deeming? What’s good for the whole, blah, blah, blah. Every kingdom does have its pawns. The king with entourage is pretty well-guarded in the shadow.

    Meanwhile, the media sets the stage: “Serve them racism for breakfast, racism for lunch, and racism for dinner! Serve it at midnight as snack!! A triple dose from a mindless host until it oozes from their every pore!!

    It’s all black and white. And you were watching technicolor. HA! :smiley:

  328. Last September the Obama administration produced an FBI report that said mass shooting attacks and deaths were up sharply — by an average annual rate of about 16% between 2000 and 2013. Moreover, the problem was worsening. “The findings establish an increasing frequency of incidents,” said the authors. “During the first 7 years included in the study, an average of 6.4 incidents occurred annually. In the last 7 years of the study, that average increased to 16.4 incidents annually.”

    The White House could not possibly have been more pleased with the media reaction to these findings, which were prominently featured by the New York Times, USA Today, CNN, the Washington Post and other major outlets. The FBI report landed six weeks before the midterm elections, and the administration was hoping that the gun-control issue would help drive Democratic turnout.

    But late last week, J. Pete Blair and M. Hunter Martaindale, two academics at Texas State University who co-authored the FBI report, acknowledged that “our data is imperfect.” They said that the news media “got it wrong” last year when they “mistakenly reported mass shootings were on the rise.”

    Mind you, the authors did not issue this mea culpa in the major news outlets that supposedly misreported the original findings. Instead, the authors published it in ACJS Today, an academic journal published by the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences. “Because official data did not contain the information we needed, we had to develop our own,” wrote Messrs. Blair and Martaindale. “This required choices between various options with various strengths and weaknesses.” You don’t say.

    John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center—who has studied FBI crime data for three decades—told me in an interview that the FBI report is better understood as a political document than as a work of serious social science. For example, the authors chose the year 2000 as their starting point “even though anyone who has studied these trends knows that 2000 and 2001 were unusually quiet and had few mass shootings.” Data going back to the mid-1970s is readily available but was ignored. How come? Over the past 40 years, there has been no statistically significant increase in mass shootings in the U.S.

    Another problem with the study: The data used seemed selectively chosen to achieve certain results. The researchers somehow “missed 20 mass-shooting cases,” Mr. Lott said. “There’s one case where nine people were murdered. You just don’t miss that.” Also, the omissions helped create an “upward trend, because they were primarily missed at the beginning of the period.” This, he said, “is disturbing.”

  329. More likely to be killed by a cop then a terrorist.

    More likely to be killed by a pet then a terrorist too.

    Bee stings. Let’s villify bees.

    Car accident.

    Food poisoning.

    Of course, it’s a weak man’s argument because death by cop is not in any way comparable to a death by terrorist attack.
    Yet, in a passive aggressive way, this device puts police in the same group as terrorists. And don’t tell me in a thread about police brutality that inst the aim.

    You both go around comparing pets to terrorists? Why not?

    So a guy like Thor and Pfessor Google odds of death by terrorist in America and read about the likely hood of death by cop being 9 times greater then death by terrorist.

    The next paragraph says this:

    “The 2011 Report on Terrorism from the National Counter Terrorism Center notes that Americans arejust as likely to be “crushed to death by their televisions or furniture each year” as they are to be killed by terrorists.”

  330. The odds are also greater that you will be killed by lightning or a flood instead of a tornado.

    Human caused climate change believers do the same thing with numbers.

    When Obama and his henchmen open their mouths, they are more likely to be lying than not.

    When I was in college, a snowball fight took a threatening turn toward a near riot. The president of the college walked through the crowd and called students by name as he asked how their studies for finals were progressing and if they were having fun.,

  331. Dolezal, 37, avoided answering questions directly about her race and ethnicity Thursday, saying, “I feel like I owe my executive committee a conversation” before engaging in a broader discussion with the community about what she described as a “multi-layered” issue.

    “That question is not as easy as it seems,” she said after being contacted at Eastern Washington University, where she’s a part-time professor in the Africana Studies Program. “There’s a lot of complexities … and I don’t know that everyone would understand that.”

    Later, in an apparent reference to studies tracing the scientific origins of human life to Africa, Dolezal added: “We’re all from the African continent.”

    So this chick is white and claims to be black, with a fake parent and siblings all. DELUSIONAL, but hey, not surprising.

    Question: If you can claim to be any sex based on personal identity, why can’t you claim race based on the same?

    “Inside, I just know that I’m a black man, yo…”

  332. Gee, why with all of their white privilege would folks like Elizabeth Warren and this weirdo fake their ethnicity, especially to claim status as an oppressed minority? The fake rape victims?

    Like Jenner, they are very, very courageous.

    Check your privilege, Brah.

  333. OMG It continually amazes me how every incident becomes a “liberal thingy” on this blog.

    So I am to understand that the “pool party gone bad” is being blamed on the liberals and the liberal media. AARGH!!!!!!!

    Like James said “Where were the parents?” James they probably hired the security guard and got the hell out of there.

    As DR said “130 teenagers at a pool party was a disaster in the first place. Cops were smart, when they got the call the upped their numbers. Teenagers today have potty mouths and no respect for authority

    The only reason this event became racist is because it happened in an integrated neighborhood. Get used to it people. If blacks and whites live in the same neighborhood then they are going to party together.

    Now I could be wrong and the whole neighborhood might be liberal and therefore it was a “liberal thingy”

  334. “Sounds like us.” – Poolman

    Are you kidding me? They were going to beach the world’s largest battleship to create a giant gun position, a purely INDEFENSIBLE position. I don’t recall us beaching the USS New Jersey in Lebanon when we used her guns.

    Rabbit, why are you bitching at me? Tex is the one that introduced the 9/11 aspect, and he was reacting to Poolman who set the premise. I simply did the math.
    And BTW, we haven’t lost thousands of lives attacking tv factories, the WRONG tv factories. And me and Pfessor didn’t go looking for the numbers, Poolman dropped the link, goof.

    “Because official data did not contain the information we needed, we had to develop our own,”

    Absolutely pathetic.

    “and this weirdo fake their ethnicity, especially to claim status as an oppressed minority?” – ET

    Careful Sven, her parents say she’s actually Swedish. ISWTPASFT

  335. “So I am to understand that the “pool party gone bad” is being blamed on the liberals and the liberal media. AARGH!!!!!!!”

    Wrong.

    The spin being placed on it as racially motivated (at least initially) is.

    “The only reason this event became racist is because it happened in an integrated neighborhood. Get used to it people. If blacks and whites live in the same neighborhood then they are going to party together.”

    No. The reason the racist spin os being backed away from is because it’s a racially integrated neighborhood and the residents have told the media to cut the shit.

    Really off base today Raji. HuffPo get you worked up?

  336. “Careful Sven, her parents say she’s actually Swedish. ISWTPASFT”

    You know what they say: once you go black. . .

  337. Raji, are you unaware of the media excitement of a white cop taking down a black teenage girl? You can’t be this naive.

  338. One cannot claim Craig Ranch as truly integrated. And some of the more intellectually honest liberal media is indeed taking an objective view. The pool incident was always about racism. It was planned to be and it was a plan going head to head with plans that are tacitly racist in themselves.
    Aneroid not looking for its kumbaya moment. It is watching itself go over a cliff it hasn’t visited since the 1960s.

  339. My mother’s maiden name was a derivation of Sven, but it does me no good.

    Those people want to be oppressed minorities because they get free stuff, especially job promotions. And they are brave. I want to be brave with free stuff too.

    My genetic test reveals problems. I am 13% Asian mostly via the Fins and Sami, but I can’t profitably declare myself Asian though I could more legitimately do so than most of these pretenders can call themselves black or Indian.

    Asians are a privileged race with few affirmative benefits, so that is out. I am one percent European Jew, but Jews are a target group now. I have no black Native American or Hispanic genes which could do me some good. Thanks to my non-forward thinking ancestors, I face a lifetime of the onerous yolk of white privilege and vilification.

    As a last resort, I could declare myself to be a woman, but try as I might, I can’t find my feminine side.

    Where were my parents and grand parents?

  340. College admissions penalize Asians, whereas blacks and hispanics get huge boosts.

    Last I saw, blacks received a nearly 350 point boost, Hispanics somewhere around 250, and Asaians -50.

    So I guess, make sure your granddaughter sticks with what she’s got, James.

    When you favor one, you necessarily disfavor another. It’s the reality of social preference.

  341. LOL G, you had me going back and forth on that long excerpt.

    At first I thought you were going for “Obamas a failure at controlling home grown terrorism” but then the article zigged when I thought it would zag and the punchline appears to be “Obama skews numbers to attract gun control sympathy”.

    LOL, either way — Obama stinks. 😊

  342. I’m going on the universally reported demographics of the two sides of McKinney. I pointed that out earlier. Whether people of color own in the subdivision is a stretched testament to integration.

  343. One cannot claim Craig Ranch as truly integrated.

    Alfie, I’m still not sure where you’re coming from when at least one BLACK resident described it as integrated.

  344. Whether people of color own in the subdivision is a stretched testament to integration.

    The resident to whom Tigre and I are referring, described a neighborhood with whites, blacks, Indians. Reminds me of my neighborhood which I would definitely call integrated.

    This particular community may defy the city demographics to which you refer Alfie. Or not.

  345. More than one. Several.

    Craig Ranch resident Caseye Thompson said,”First & foremost, Craig Ranch in NOT an all white neighborhood. It is the most diverse place I have ever lived. The situation & issue was not racial at all. Many black families live in CR along with Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics, Indians & more. The claim that it is some elitist neighborhood with “white privilege” is beyond ridiculous.”

    I still can’t locate the Craig’s ranch demographic. There aplenty of accounts as to ethnic diversity from residents though.

    Let me know when someone finds it.

  346. “One cannot claim Craig Ranch as truly integrated.”

    “I’m going on the universally reported demographics of the two sides of McKinney. I pointed that out earlier. Whether people of color own in the subdivision is a stretched testament to integration.”

    No comprendo. You were first referring to the subdivision, as was I.

  347. “But I also see discrimination lawsuits in McKinney around housing.”

    Those will be everywhere to some extent no matter what.

  348. “All this time I thought I was a self-loathing Jew, when all along I was just a plain old antisemite.” — Krusty the Clown (Herschel Shmoikel Pinkus Yerucham Krustofsky) after locating his real father:

  349. Parker this is old news but very disturbing. As I said in a previous comment I sincerely hope the prosecutor presses charges now that the judge has determined probable cause.

  350. BTW Parker, the police apologists on this board claimed it was a good shoot. If memory serves, only Alfie questioned the speed with which the cops got out of their vehicle and started shooting.

    Really sick bastards at the bar when it comes to these shootings. Trayvon and Brown poisoned the well and now these guys are rooting against the black guy every time.

    One reason why the Trayvon/Brown hype pisses me off. They provided a model that folks want to apply to every shooting.

  351. Your memory is wrong R. Unlike you, we questioned what had happened rather than locking into outrage over the clip, which wss offered as a racist act by your thought leaders.

    You are the worst. Always jumping on the outrage bandwagon.

    So is it still racist?

  352. And look at you and your friend Pfesser go now. Feeling sanctimoneous? Good shoot? You didn’t even know what an airsift gun replicates. MSNBC didn’t tell you. Remember?

    Of course not.

  353. After reviewing my comments on the subject I think I’m having a different discussion.
    Yes I pointed out the demographics of the community and pointed that Craig Ranch is on the side that is predominantly white. I also brought up how I thought what we were seeing was a) tied to the actions of an activist organization and b) that the subdivision represents an ongoing stratification happening in the USA.
    The history of communities getting tagged for housing violations is not something to sneeze at.

  354. I said it before regards the Rice shooting and I’ll say it again. When a suspect isn’t holding the weapon you don’t yell at the suspect to touch it! (drop it!)
    People getting outraged anew over the incident are as wrong now as they ever were. The judge should probably face some kind of review since he admittedly violates the spirit of Ohio law.
    Rice shooting, the most tragic of the three (Rice,Gardner,Brown) for sure but not rising to the standard for criminal prosecution imo. I’m no esq. however so my opinion on that front is what it is 🙂

  355. Yes, El Tigre, our grand daughter will have to stick with what she’s got. Both of our children earned full tuition scholarships, and they worked very hard. Our grand daughter will also have to do it the old fashioned way.

    Our friend died. she took doses of morphine every two hours and was listening to music. The cd player suddenly got louder. They went over to see what was happening. Their mother took two more breaths and she was gone.

    Its been a long day.

    Obama says he wants to change neighborhoods into a mix of people and income levels. HUD may be looking for housing and other violations to make changes.

  356. Actually, R – your blog has done some good. I think you have a good understanding of what things look like from white folks’ side, and have been willing to concede points well-made. We don’t have many blackfellas where I live, but I have certainly begun to see – at least a little – what it looks like from your side, too. Appreciate that.

    But don’t hold your breath for some to ever concede anything – they want validation, not understanding. And we all know you cain’t talk to a man when he don’t wanna understand…

  357. Parker wants you to acknowledge he is your friend, blackfella.

    Hey Blackfella, ever meet a whitefella? Parker’s here to be your whitefella. He’ll teach all kinds of whitefella stuff with his fake Australian personae.

    Please acknowledge the drunk creep so it will stop.

  358. Alfie, I am totally lost. I thought you were referring to what Raji said about Craig Creek being integrated, and (wrongly stating) that is why it was blown into a racial incident. What discussion are you referring to?

  359. That James Taylor weirdness (complemented by Kerry’s own over exaggerated weirdness on stage) is one of the most cringe worthy moments in American diplomatic history.

  360. Hey Blackfella, ever meet a whitefella? Parker’s here to be your whitefella. He’ll teach all kinds of whitefella stuff…”

    I can’t put my finger on why, but that cracked me up.

  361. So is it still racist?

    No, it’s kiddist or childist; take your pick.

    In their enthusiastic response they killed a fucking kid who was of zero harm to anyone.

  362. When a suspect isn’t holding the weapon you don’t yell at the suspect to touch it! (drop it!)

    You’ve lost me. If that is what happened, then by your own assessment the cops should be off the force at a minimum.

    The video shows the car pull up, cops jump out and start shooting. That CANNOT be SOP. That’s fucking Wild West.

    The whole gang here is against gun control when it comes to real guns. So you wanna ban air guns? How bout realistic toy guns? Kid can’t play LIKE A KID cos cops will ride up and kill you.

  363. That James Taylor weirdness (complemented by Kerry’s own over exaggerated weirdness on stage) is one of the most cringe worthy moments in American diplomatic history.

    Even I have to agree with that. Very very strange.

  364. No….completely independent.

    Did season 2 start already?

    Season 1 was awesome. One of my favorite shows. Season 2 looks awkward and has big shoes to fill.

  365. R – how about some sensitivity training for cops? The shooter(s) have to go live with the kid’s parents and turn over their entire paycheck to them for five years. After looking those people in the eye every day for five years, bet’cha they would be different men when they were done.

    re: James Taylor. In keeping with James’ many videos, here’s one done by the best Dobro player in the world and the best fiddle player and singer in American Bluegrass – <em<Carolina in My Mind – written, of course, by JT himself.

  366. I don’t really have the time or energy to expend on rehashing the Tamir Rice shooting. I will open a can of ET though and say I find the renewed outrage to be dishonest,disgraceful and distressing.
    Many threads ago I commented in some depths what I felt I saw transpire in the video. I’ll cut and paste an excerpt from my post of 13 December 2014 Everyone has an Opinion:Black Lives Matter comply or die:
    When I look at the video some of the things I see that raised my eyebrows and dismay are as follows:
    1. The police contrary to some spin made it a point to take a potentially dangerous call from another unit since they were clearing and the location was in fact in their patrol sector. Anybody that has had any connection to 911 work knows this to be admirable for its professionalism.
    2. The police rolled up pretty hot. In my opinion too hot. It is pretty clear that one or up to the reported three commands to drop the weapon came from inside the vehicle. I have not heard or seen anything that leads me to believe this was over the cars PA system,just a shouting cop.
    3. The officers exited the vehicle after firing and rolled out. One towards the rear of the cruiser one towards the front thus acquiring a cross fire angle.Two points here. Contrary to the new spin that Loehmer [sp?] is some wussy weeping turd he showed a coherent display of training.

    Many departments in the USA would not have the officers respond hot like they did. On the walkway and coming so close to the suspect.The CPD has publicly stated that questioning this was in fact a good question. I believe it would’ve been best practice to have stopped somewhat farther,drawn weapons and sighted the kid and preferably over the PA command Rice to put his hands up. When a weapon is in the hands of a suspect you tell them to drop it. When it is not in their hands YOU DO NOT TELL THEM TO TOUCH IT !!!

    It may be obvious here that the end result in my world may very well have been the same. Rice dead. That said the Rice case begs for actions other than sizing the cops up for orange jumpers.

    So although I may read “pro cop extremis” I think a detached viewing of the cases shows lapses in judgement and practice do not necessarily equal malice or felonious behavior.

    The fact is that in a violent society people get hurt and indeed killed. At times this occurs at the hands of those sworn to protect and serve and that has a very disturbing impact.

    What is equally true however is that whether the police are high on adrenaline or just assholes compliance defuses the problem that is splashing the headlines today. In cases when something goes further the compliant suspect is better positioned to become a credible victim and winning plaintiff. This is Real Politik on the streets of the USA. I don’t ask for people to like it nor do I think it shouldn’t be changed. Right here,Right now though it is what it is.

  367. I wonder how many more blacks will be dead becuase of leftist driven war on police.

    I wonder how many smart potential cops will pick another career.

    Eat your own urban America. And let the leftist Mullahs tell you to hate Israel…well in this case police.

    Fools.

    Detroit Rock City, bitches. Get some.

  368. As if the culture that impacts police officers state of mind needed it… Dallas Police station assaulted.

  369. I apologize for not presenting myself clearer earlier regards the McKinney incident. Let me recap it and put it to bed now.
    The incident was in my opinion initiated by an outside entity and not a simple party that got out of hand.
    America has a serious problem with institutionalized racism and social disharmony and is not prepared to deal with it. The United States is solidifying its caste system across racial lines.
    The incident in McKinney was/is dripping with racism. It is not singular to the Texas community the press is so eagerly trying to pillory.

  370. Really off base today Raji. HuffPo get you worked up? – ET

    Really ET HuffPo Who ???? Do you seriously think I’m defending any action by the cops or the teens. If so then you need to reread what I wrote. ET you are so quick to jump you don’t take the time to try to comprehend what someone is saying.
    Yes, I’m aware of all the details even the details of what the cop in question was doing prior to the pool incident which apparently had him over stressed. If you send in 12 cops to calm down an integrated teen party you are bound to have a white cop tangle with a black teen. Are you inferring that the cop shouldn’t have confronted a black female teen in a bikini more than likely with a potty mouth?

    According to you the media excitement is liberal media excitement. Do I have that right ET?

    Alfie do I understand that you think the whole pool deal was planned to get media attention as a racist issue.? Why do you think that?

    ET wrote: “Alfie, I am totally lost. I thought you were referring to what Raji said about Craig Creek being integrated, and (wrongly stating) that is why it was blown into a racial incident.”

    THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID1 I capitulate

  371. “No, it’s kiddist or childist; take your pick.”

    Those weren’t my options when you started your rage after after the incident.

    Here’s what I hate most when you allow yourself to get all wee-wee’d up:

    Absolutely no one, here or on that police force, is glad that kid died. NO ONE. Your emotional and sanctimonious allusions to that effect are what’s childish, not those that question whether the cop did or did not react understandably.

    Then you spew your MSNBC bullshit. “The whole gang here is against gun control when it comes to real guns. So you wanna ban air guns? How bout realistic toy guns? Kid can’t play LIKE A KID cos cops will ride up and kill you.”

    This was never a “gun control” issue because it wasn’t a gun. It was replica the kid was playing with. But your shithead, emotional, agenda-driven narrative always comes first, all while you secondarily wail about the death of the kid. It’s girly irrationality and bitch-slap worthy.

    All of this is why these incidents draw out the ragging on your sheltered existence. As with the Texas pool party and others, you say “there’s nothing more than what I’ve seen or what I’ve been told that could change things, case closed.” Others of us here are don’t assume that cops are racist assassins and therefore we try to understand what brought it to a head without that assumption. You don’t. It’s ’cause you’ve apparently never been in an adrenaline fueled situation like these, which is fine. But It’s that you indict from your armchair without caring that it might be important to understand that makes you such an ignoramus.

    Those that try to understand are not “police apologists.” And coming from someone that allows the people on the teevee to create and exploit the emotional reaction to score cheap points is again bitch-slap worthy.

    Rutherford, it’s a weakness of yours to always go at these tragedies as you do. You know it. You’ve said it. You’ve been wrong so many times and pleyed the fool it’s incredible. But then you go ahead and do it again every fucking time.

    There’s no validation for you here. Cool it.

  372. Buh-by fast track. Obama was already a lame duck, but this makes it official. He went up to the Hill to spend his political sand dollars and came back with them ground into white powder. Very fine white powder. 302-126.

  373. “Do you seriously think I’m defending any action by the cops or the teens.”

    And you’ve done it again.

    The irony is incredible.

    Raji, you’ve misstated what was said here WHILE COMMENTING ON IT. Before and again now. Actually beginning with referring to this post as “tongue-in-cheek” to Thor’s prior statements, to what you claim “caused the pool party incident” when the comment was about what the reaction to it was.

    THAT’S THE FUCKING PROBLEM.

    If anyone needs to go back and re-read, it’ you.

    Seriously. Go look. I even linked to the protests from the hate mongers which is juxtaposed against the residents that are pleading to get off the allegations of racism. And guess what: it’s not Fox news that’s fueling it. Google the racist angle and you’ll go back to the liberal media outlets you frequent and cite here.

  374. Here. To make it easier for you:

    “The only reason this event became racist is because it happened in an integrated neighborhood. Get used to it people. If blacks and whites live in the same neighborhood then they are going to party together.”

    No. The reason the racist spin os being backed away from is because it’s a racially integrated neighborhood and the residents have told the media to cut the shit.”

    The point was that had it not been an integrated neighborhood with minority residents saying “not here,” you’d have Sharpton down there and Chrissy Hayes with a broadcast booth whipping it into a frenzy because of the imagery. Why the fuck do you think you’re even seeing or hearing about this non-event?

  375. I used to be close to a true believer. I used to worry about life in poor sections of cities. I contributed money.

    In fact, I was a campaign coordinator for two candidates. Now, that they have revealed themselves to us, I don’t care. “Thank you so much, but you’re not enough. Won’t be in touch ’cause you’re out of luck.”

    Carina’s father, makes a cameo appearance used to be the spokesman for Norway’s Hells Angels. Does that group franchise itself like Burger King?

    I like Allison Krause.

    I also like the results of the vote and liberal news media’s disappointment that Obama would have failed so miserably, sort of like when they tried to get the Olympics to set up in Chicago.

    I also think there will be a “hot time” in the cities this summer. It doesn’t matter much to me, since I’m not in one of those cities, and I don’t know the people killed or arrested.

  376. Mea Culpa ET I never should have commented since my comprehension doesn’t align with yours and I certainly do not have your expertise in expressing myself . I did not intend to create a “Fucking problem”.

  377. “Did season 2 start already?”

    I think it starts in the next couple weeks.

    “Season 1 was awesome. One of my favorite shows. Season 2 looks awkward and has big shoes to fill.”

    I may go back and watch season 1 anyway, based solely on this comment. You’ve spoken highly of other shows that I ended up enjoying a lot. I just really don’t care for Woody Harrelson OR Matthew McConaughey.

    Thanks DR

  378. @ Raji yes I do not believe the pool party was a 100% planned school related event. The overall history,demographics and previous actions of Inclusive Communities Inc. keeps me from accepting the story as portrayed.
    @ Thor ignorance is bliss whether it is right or left in origin. The democrats are most likely moving to get a larger and specific piece of pie,I would not buy in totally that TPA,TPP et all are DOA.

  379. Alfie etal am I incorrect that lack of intent does not give a free pass. I am IN NO WAY saying these cops woke up that morning and said “let’s kill a young boy today”. I also have zero doubt that these cops will be haunted the rest of their lives.

    But that is not what justice is about. The cops going to jail might not be justice either. But we CANNOT shrug our shoulders and say “shit happens”. 😡

  380. Eat your own urban America. And let the leftist Mullahs tell you to hate Israel…well in this case police.
    Fools.
    Detroit Rock City, bitches. Get some.

    Whooooa that was deep maaaaan!

  381. Alfie my sister lives in Flower Mound, a burb of Dallas. They had their own “racial incident” late last year or earlier this year (I forget the timing). My sister said the media blew the whole thing out of proportion.

    This may sound odd and I’m only going on anecdotal evidence, but I tend to believe black Texans don’t get as worked up vis-a-vis civil rights as outsiders do. What I might call a racist, they tend to call an asshole. The McKinney resident I watched reminded me of my sister. He basically called out media distortion.

  382. Raji reminds me of something. I will likely append this comment to “an official post” but it is worth noting the McKinney cop dealt with not one but TWO suicides that morning. I believe he talked one person out of killing himself but he was too late for the other.

    WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS SACRED AND HOLY did the cops supervisor not say “you’ve had a lousy morning. Take the rest of the day with pay, go home and kiss your wife and start fresh tomorrow”?

    While we give conservative lectures about how the public disrespects cops, how about we examine how COPS DISRESPECT COPS! That cop had NO business working that party. Of course he showed up fucked up. I can hear his brain churning:

    “Two people had so much trouble coping with life that they tried to kill themselves today, and you young punks are now gonna push my buttons? I DON’T THINK SO!”

    If that was his mind set, I get it. And I blame the department for keeping him on the street that day.

  383. It was replica the kid was playing with.

    Bullshit. When I argued months ago that it was a fucking toy I got a lecture about it being an “air gun” along with the implication it could be harmful. Again, an attempt to skew the facts in the cops favor. Now, months later you toss around the word replica, which you didn’t accept months ago.

    Tigre, there was a time kids could play “cops and robbers” with toy guns. They didn’t get killed doing it. Rice is the second person I’ve heard of in the past year killed by a cop who mistook a toy gun for real. What are we going to do about THAT besides saying “shit happens”?

  384. It’s girly irrationality

    Yes yes always go for the assault on masculinity to make the point. I’m surprised Muffy isn’t deeply offended by your association of gender to irrationality but then Muffy is famous for being selectively offended. 😐

  385. Thor, between TPA, TAA and TPP I am completely lost at this point. “Chrissie” Hayes covered it last night and I’m gonna pay close attention watching it.

  386. TPP and TAP are zombies who will once again stalk the earth as did the creatures in Night of the Living Dead. Someone wrote that these trade agreements are meant to be the centerpieces of Obama’s reign, even more important than ObamaCare. If so, I would keep trying until after the last dog had died. We should be pruning Republicans next time.

    I agree Rutherford. I saw one suicide in the service, and it was enough to spoil my whole day. Two could push someone over the edge. Maybe there weren’t enough people to give the officer other duty. I don’t know any more than you do, but clearly the officer was near the edge.

    I assure you, such events will haunt the police officers for years if not for the rest of their lives.

    I also believe outsiders have created businesses which earn them money and influence. Like migrant workers they go where the crop is when it is ready for harvest.

    It sucks to be the innocent victims. Maybe if they vote for liberal policies and leaders, they ought first to be sure they are rich enough to live in gated communities with armed guards.

    That link says the two organizers were from Chicago. They must have exported Chicago values to Texas as Californicators do to neighboring western states.

  387. Air rifles are toys, but they are also weapons. A metalic BB can put out an eye or do other damage. These guns can kill chickens and birds. My brother and I shot scores of pigeons because BBS didn’t put holes in the barn roof as larger shells did. We dressed and ate what we shot.

    Plastic pellets are another matter. They are relatively harmless, but I could kill with a well aimed BB.

  388. Dammit Rutherford, you have the memory of a goldfish. Go back and look. And you’ll see I explained to you what an airsoft gun was. They are replicas. In fact, the closer they are to the original in every aspect, weight size, grip, every little detail the more desiresble they are.

    Airsift guns are licesees of the original manufaturers. That’s how close they are. I know. I represented a maker. I think G posted a pic for you.

    Anyway, the point was that the guns are not eadily confused for originals, they are intended to be. They’re not Hello Kitty or Suprsoakers. And I do think that some states require them to have colored barrels or something.

    And that was the point. You kept condemning the cop out of hand, and who had been dispstched to the scene from a call claiming the kid had a real gun.

    See, what you refer to ad “apologists” were trying to get the facts right. As usual, it is a wated effort with you.

  389. If you’re suggesting that I am saying an airsoft gun is the same as a real gun in terms of being a lethal, then you got your head up your ass. I never said that nor have I even alluded to it. It was intended to address your ignorant comments about a plastic toy gun and the unreasonableness of the cops’ bef the boy posed a threat.

    You would also see the I said it looked pretty bad from the video.

    The only one I recall rendering a murder verdict was you, and in the context of the MSNBC hype that it was racially motivated.

    And intent doesn’t mean it wasn’t wrong, but it dies mean it wasn’t “murder.” So quit with the false logic that not labeling it murder is the same as “oh well.”

  390. The only one I recall rendering a murder verdict was you, and in the context of the MSNBC hype that it was racially motivated.

    If you can find an instance of my tying the Rice case to race, my hats off to you. My problem was always the speed of the police action which on video, at least, appeared reckless.

  391. So quit with the false logic that not labeling it murder is the same as “oh well.”

    Its not false logic. If you can tell me what the consequences should be, besides a dead kid, then fine. Otherwise you are saying “oh well”.

  392. When it comes to cases of who goes home at the end of the shift and who dies secondary to over thinking shit I’m in the going home camp.

  393. Lol sorry ET I’m still waiting for Muffy to show her “girly” side. She’s about as “girly” as you and we all know what a man’s man you are. 😏

    LOL That last comment had so many insults packed into it, it proves I’ve been around Tex way too long.

  394. No. I don’t determine consequences before facts, something you don’t bother with.

    And that’s your false logic, Rutherford.

  395. I’m not sure Alfie. Would you rather be the widow who was told her husband thought a kid had a toy gun and withheld fire, or the wife of a cop who killed a kid who had a toy gun? Again, I’m not so sure.

    A cops job is not primarily to survive his shift. Such a thought process leads to mistakes. A cops job first and foremost is to protect and serve. If he’s not willing to put his life on the line (and I don’t blame him) then he should not be a cop.

  396. Bull Tigre. You know the facts now (supposedly) and STILL haven’t identified one single consequence.

    BTW, what facts did I not know? Cops pulled up, jumped out and shot someone in the space of 5 seconds. What other “facts” do I need? It looked like a fucking mob hit.

  397. Losing touch with emotion is a dangerous thing. Makes you stop seeing the humanity in people. And yes, now that I know more FACTS about the McKinney cop, my EMOTIONS tell me the guy got a bum rap. Shoulda been suspended and reinstated, at worst.

  398. Rutherford, you’re going full retard.

    I know none of the facts other than video and what was said about an airsoft gun. The cop was just indicted.

    The initial accusation was that it was racially motivated. Was it?

    Was he told something in his communications with he dispatcher he got there that made his actions more or less reasonable.

    Was he in fear of his own safety, or did he shoot for fear of others.

    Don;t give me this “bull” stuff little man. You don’t know shit. A consequence could be losing his job to life in prison and everything in between.

    Your point is maddeningly retarded and proves my point.

  399. “Losing touch with emotion is a dangerous thing. Makes you stop seeing the humanity in people. And yes, now that I know more FACTS about the McKinney cop, my EMOTIONS tell me the guy got a bum rap. Shoulda been suspended and reinstated, at worst.”

    Said in the very same thread:

    I’m not sure I saw enough to blame the cop. Did he get fired? -DR

    “Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? This wasn’t the ghetto. This was middle class kids. Was the girl hiding a pistol in her bikini bottom? Were the teenagers who came over to see why she GOT THROWN TO THE GROUND packing heat?

    And why 12 cops to handle a pool party disturbance?

    Again, I ask what the fuck is wrong with you? Damn I wish you had a daughter so we could see your reaction when her scantily clad body was thrown to the ground.

    Fuuuuck!” -R

    “The head of police down there put it perfectly: “11 cops followed procedure, 1 did not.” Case fucking closed!!!” -R

    Quit being an idiot Rutherford. You ALWAYS think you know when you don’t. ALWAYS.

  400. “Losing touch with emotion is a dangerous thing. Makes you stop seeing the humanity in people.”

    Funny how letting them guide your conclusions has the same effect with you my easily manipulated friend.

    Oh yeah. Cops aren’t people.

    Hands up, don’t shoot.

    The girly irrational guy that blamed Palin for Giffords’ shooting ought to stop and reflect.

  401. Emotions are inappropriate sometimes. One needs to put them away until later. A cop’s job IS to survive his/her shift and to protect and serve. If the police officer dies or is wounded, he/she is not protecting anyone.

    If a child pulls a toy gun or someone makes a gesture that the police officer may in a split second interpret to be danger, the person should expect to be knocked down, or even shot. In most of these cases, wrongfully hurt or killed civilians share some of the blame through their recklessness. They should know cops in unusual or threatening situations will do anything within the blink of an eye.

    The cop should be punished if he/she over reacts, but the kid or someone else is still dead or injured.

    Of course the current lynch mob mentality is an overuse of emotions.

  402. “If you can find an instance of my tying the Rice case to race, my hats off to you.”

    Does this have a search function? I’ll look. That was the whole point of the story. It was on the heels of the other whole cop black victim stories. It was offered as more proof of black lives don’t matter bullshit. I recall you said you’d withhold judgment — but that was the context.

    There’s a clip I recall posting, and I’ll look for it. I want to know what the consequences should be from you since all you never need to know anything more than a few second clip or the race of those involved.

  403. A consequence could be losing his job to life in prison and everything in between.

    Not what I asked. What SHOULD the consequence be? Try being jury or judge instead of lawyer for a change.

  404. Rutherford, are this dumb. A consequence depends on the action. Are you really this dumb? DO you think you;re making a valid point.

    So. . . he should be put to death. Point?

    Now answer my question about a parent that’s responsible for the death of their child.

  405. I love a guy that argues punishment (consequence) fitting the crime is does not require a command of the facts.

  406. “At least I revise opinion upon learning more info. Can you say the same?”

    I haven;t jumped to judgment, so “no.”

  407. I love it. You haven’t even told us what the consequences of the Rice cop’s actions should be. Haven;t even heard from the cop himself. But anyway. . .

    Tell us about it, R. What should the consequences be?

    That’s 3. Parent, cop in video, and the subject of your demands, the Rice cop.

  408. Come on Rutherford. A judge and jury usually determine determine guilt first, but Rutherford bizarro world that just mete out “consequences.”

    What about the consequences in my 2 examples and your 1.

  409. As for the Rice cops while I applauded the probable cause finding, that’s in the absence of anything else. Again, I’d probably be satisfied with the cops losing their jobs.

  410. “Child left in hot car.

    Deliberately with intent to kill: parent should go to jail.”

    Let’s say the child be left in car was caught on video.

    What is it?

  411. “As for the Rice cops while I applauded the probable cause finding, that’s in the absence of anything else. Again, I’d probably be satisfied with the cops losing their jobs.”

    That’s not a “consequence” either. It’s an indictment. For “murder.” Losing the job is not the punishment for murder.

    Try again. We both saw the same video.

  412. “Now, let’s add a fourth case. The bastards who joy rided that dude to death in Baltimore. Throw those fuckers UNDER the jail.”

    To my knowledge, there was only one driver.

  413. Rutherford, I would like to revise my response since your “in the absence of anything else” means other facts are important now, or I guess only when you want so far as you care to consider them, to incredible sorrow and remorse, or no dessert following dinner, in the absence of anything else of course.

  414. This haten’ on the Po Po shit is a fake ass hobby for Rutherford.

    He thinks he’s playing for the team.

    He doesn’t know jack shit about cops or robbers. Just spouts off at the mouth with half facts. Guy has been played for a punk so many times I actually treat him like poolman on these matters. I skim and skip.

    So sick of little Miss Cleaver following the lead of people who deem a rift between blacks and cops desirable.

    You think it’s bad now?

    Wait 5 years. Nobody in their right mind is going to police America’s lemurs. The job will be even more of a fly trap for weirdos.

    Wait until you live under the dark cloud of crime. There could be a day.

    If I didn’t pity you so much, I’d enjoy you living in fear every day.

    For shits sakes, you are a minimum wage phone blabber….your wife is unemployed….you wasted most of Daddy’s money on a fagget BMW.

    You really could end up in the bad side of town. White ass Rutherford, little Miss Cleaver….trapped amongst the thugs for the remainder of his days. Pissed there is no police presence. Ahhh…Justice. But still no peace.

  415. “Bottom line, cop loses job.”
    That’s not a “consequence.”

    Are you stoned or do you not know what the word consequence means?

    Again, as far as you can tell is that the cop we hear crying near the end of the clip?

  416. As I said, “All of this is why these incidents draw out the ragging on your sheltered existence. . . It’s that you indict from your armchair without caring that it might be important to understand that makes you such an ignoramus.”

    How do you not go there?

    DR, you’re one of the guys that Rutherford wants as his bodyguard. How do you feel about taking on that job, Whitefella?

  417. For shits sakes, you are a minimum wage phone blabber….your wife is unemployed….you wasted most of Daddy’s money on a fagget BMW.

    I’m assuming you’re having a bad day and that’s why you’re being an asshole. Or “commenting while drunk”. Take your pick.

    Oh and fuck you.

  418. DR, you’re one of the guys that Rutherford wants as his bodyguard.

    Naaah, I retract the comment upon further reflection. On a bad day Rabbit would as soon cut me as protect me. Fuck him.

  419. I meant real consequences. I gave you a range, that were dependent on facts. You said that doesnt count. Did you miss that part? There is no range for, only you who revises.

    Try and follow. You were making the case that you and I have seen all that needs to be seen to determine the proper consequences.

    Yes, R. He was crying. But why are you asking? It’s self contained. The video speaks for itself when it comes to consequences.

    Now, there’s more to the story but it don’t matter. We can both see that it’s a black officer and an unarmed white guy getting shot. As we now know, the consequence for that is job loss.

  420. “Naaah, I retract the comment upon further reflection. On a bad day Rabbit would as soon cut me as protect me. Fuck him.”

    Yeah. See how that works?

    Well, there’s only two more. Let’s hope they want the job. Or aren’t disqualified by a video showing them using the force you assume they would for you.

  421. I got a feeling Gorilla would look the other way as I reached in for your well-deserved bitch slaps.

    I think you should go with Alfie, the cop apologist.

  422. Cop apologists is what Rutherford labeled us earlier in the thread. That’s how he views anyone that doesn’t join the lynchmob.

    That includes me too.

    So, keep on keepin’ on. I think “confused” is just about right. 😆

  423. re: parker wants you to acknowledge that you are his friend, blackfella.

    Wrong, Big Puss. Parker wants Rutherford to know that he appreciates the fact that R is not a bigot – (Just so you know, Ambulance Chaser, a bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions), which puts him in the vast minority ’round this Bar and Grill. Faced with new information, R is willing to change his mind – a good thing, and a rarity – especially among ReThuglicans..

    That puts him in the league of James and Parker, and that is about it. Pretty good company, I reckon.

  424. Tigre if you’re making the simple point that judgment shouldn’t be made based on 7 minutes of video: guilty as charged. It’s America’s most popular game right now and yes I’m guilty of playing it.

    BTW I swear on all that is dear to me, I didn’t notice the races in the cane shooting video.

  425. What did we finally do with dad that was caught on video leaving his infant in the car to bake?

    Go back and read. I think I was pretty clear on it. Although I assumed it was Mom who did the deed. 😄

  426. Yup. I’m a cop appologist becuase I don’t join the same mob that has made Rutherford look like a complete idiot time and time again.

    His crazy reaction to my simple statement that I didn’t see enough context in what looks to be a world star vine clip says it all.

    It’s like he assumes I watch cable news all day and I just have to be all amped up, fascist-emotional and on the march.

  427. “Go back and read. I think I was pretty clear on it. Although I assumed it was Mom who did the deed.”

    You said it depended on intent. How would you know? It’s a video. You don’t know whether dad was mad and thought he’d teach the infant lesson by making him sweat it out. You don’t know if he recognized the risk but it seemed worth taking because he didn’t feel like hassling with the car seat. You don’t know if he was there to buy drugs and didn’t really give a fuck. You don’t know if he just forgot.

    All of that is required before you can know someone’s “intent” and you said it doesn’t matter. I was required to tell you the “consequences.” Remember? When I said it that was “Bull?” Precisely what I was saying about Rice.

    I generally don’t like cops but I fucking hate your lynch mob mentality. And that makes me an “apologist.”

    Suppose the video didn’t capture the cop sobbing. Now imagine that the races were reversed. Finally, picture it being played over, and over, and over on MSNBC. I already know what conclusions you would draw. You always do.

  428. “I’m pretty sure I identified Alfie as one of the few who found some fault with the police action.”

    I did too. You still labeled me an apologist.

    Alfie sure seems to be taking up for the racist executioner in this thread. You backing away from the label since you may need him as your bodyguard?

    Why don’t you point us to what you are referring?

  429. “Big Puss. Parker wants Rutherford to know that he appreciates the fact that R is not a bigot – (Just so you know, Ambulance Chaser, a bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions), which puts him in the vast minority ’round this Bar and Grill.”

    Sure thing, Big Drunkard.

    Rutherford expresses all kinds of tolerance for people that hold different views, unless their Christians or conservatives, especially female ones.

    Keep stroking. Surely he’ll pay you some of the attention you crave.

    Since you think so highly of him, why aren’t you honest with Rutherford concerning who you really are?

  430. “That puts him in the league of James and Parker. . .”

    Was that line of total bullshit a slip?

    Oh yeah, I forgot. You want to be taken seriously as you stroke yourself and do the dumb Australian impersonation routine.

    Got any more of those American cliches that you tweak by substituting them with something you think represents an Australian colloquialism? That’s some mighty smart stuff, right there, eh mate?

  431. So a couple of things. Folks just stood by and let the following transpire with little attempt at intervention. The child instructed to “punch in the fucking face” by his mother also talks back to strangers who tell him to stop kicking the woman (that’s in the longer form of the video that I didn’t post). And the video got almost 7 million views — that’s 7 million.

    Daytime TV is now consumed with Jerry Springer knockoffs and “court” shows – it was game shows when I was a kid.

    It is indeed the fall of the empire folks but it ain’t just the “feral blacks” contributing to it. 😟

  432. Poolman have you ever watched The Blacklist on TV? The Bilderberg group reminds me of the international conspirators who want Raymond Remington dead.

    As preposterous as some of your vids seem, it seems possible there ARE forces about whom we know very little who have a say in how our lives go. And what if the folks we trust the most are party to it?

    Seems better not to contemplate it.

  433. First, how the hell did that go on without a couple of guys stepping up to intervene. In my experience, women usually don’t fight to win. They fight long enough for someone to break it up. Sheesh.

    Second, what gives with the mobility scooter? She stood right up like she had left a a Benny Hinn revival and started slugging away.

    That little boy is fucked.

  434. You backing away from the label since you may need him as your bodyguard?
    Why don’t you point us to what you are referring?

    This is what I said earlier in the thread regarding Alfie:

    “BTW Parker, the police apologists on this board claimed it was a good shoot. If memory serves, only Alfie questioned the speed with which the cops got out of their vehicle and started shooting”

  435. LOL about the mobility scooter. Some folks (not me) just use them cos they’re lazy fucks.

    You’re right. The boy is probably already a lost cause and I didn’t even post the longer vid where he tells adults they have no right to talk to him. And yes the longer vid shows this went on even longer.

    In the longer version where the boy is kicking the woman, a bystander says “he’s just watching his mama’s back, that’s all”.

    Like I said, the end of the empire.

  436. “the police apologists on this board claimed it was a good shoot.”

    Am I the police apologist that claimed it was a “good shoot?”

    What hell is a “good shoot” exactly?

    Who the hell claimed it was a “good shoot?”

    Alfie problems with the shoot, just nothing criminal? Like he could’ve gotten closer to the vital organs with the first round?

    I don’t recall anyone doing that but I sure think Alfie fits your definition of a “police apologist” now. Not being criminal just the speed with which it was accomplished? Nuanced? Justified though, right? It was a “bad shoot” but not criminal?

    In fact, I think I said something similarly critical when it first came up. I only recall saying there was nothing to show that it was racially motivated which was what the whole thing was being pitched as.

    “Good shoot” sounds like a turkey hunt.

    I am fascinated by this. Please elaborate on good shoot versus bad shoot and what others said that was different from Alfie that makes them “apologists.”

  437. “Oh and by the way Alfie’s argument in this thread is nuanced. He does find problems with the shoot, just nothing criminal.”

    For the record, I find “problems with the shoot” when an unarmed boy is killed and shouldn’t have been. That’s a problem. Dead boy that was not a risk, just perceived as one = bad shoot.

    I wondered whether the cop was reasonably perceived a threat even though wrong. That’s an apologist. Same result, same considerations but Alfie is “nuanced.” Something about covering another cops zone made it a “nuanced shoot?”

  438. “LOL about the mobility scooter. Some folks (not me) just use them cos they’re lazy fucks.”

    I’m lazy as shit and just thought I was being discriminated against.

    You mean I could’ve been ridin’ all that time?

    You know of any way I could work the sweet parking spots out front?

  439. Tigre if I mischaracterized your position on the Rice shooting, my bad.

    I think we all came to accept the Ferguson Brown “shoot” was a “good shoot” as in justified. The dude shot in the back a few weeks ago, not good.

    And shoot was simply a lazy way to say shooting. What are you now, the word police? I better be careful about any micro-aggressions.

    P.S. It’s my perception that you and some others on this board watch the same videos I do and first seek to find reasons the cop was not at fault. I suppose you find the opposite response in me.

  440. LOL well I paid full price for my scooter. Wasn’t gonna beg my doc for a scrip and then suck up to insurance for help with the payment. So you can do the same.

    I’ll tell you, when I have to go to big venues for my daughters gymnastics meets, it’s a sweet ride. My only gripe is its too heavy for me to lift out of the car so I don’t have the complete independence I want.

  441. Not for nuthin’ Rabbit but the loss of my Dad, whose birthday was two days ago, put me in a very dark place for much of last year.

    You shouldn’t have gone there.

  442. @ Thor ignorance is bliss whether it is right or left in origin. – Alfie

    I prefer my trade agreements bathed in sunlight. Perhaps parts of the deal will still pass in some other form, but at least they’ll have tan lines, not be smothered in SPF 50 smoke … err … sun screen of take-it-or-leave-it extortion. I can’t help but feel we just avoided seeing an Air Barry shoe factory pop up in Indonesia on Jan. 21st, 2017, all the while the former president claiming he didn’t know a thing about it because it was in a blind trust.

    This is still the most lucrative consumer market in the world. I don’t think we use that leverage effectively.

    R, the way I understand it, the fast track actually passed, but it was only a symbolic vote and not binding because the aid for retraining piece had already been shot down, brutally so.

  443. Fuck the bodyguard shit. When they cuff me up on propaganda charges, I’m totally using my one phone call on ET. You cut through the fog like a gamma knife.

    Thank you so much for taking my case, Mr. E.T. Can I call you E?

  444. I’m right there with you R. My Dad’s b-day was at the end of this month. This will be my first Father’s Day without him. My parent’s anniversary was this month too. Strange how me and you and Tex, three internet “entities” bound by politics and other things, all managed to lose our pops in the same year. Probably doesn’t mean anything, but it could mean everything. I know he was more than just a dad to you, he was your best friend. My heart goes out to you, buddy.

  445. One story behind this song is it is based on a note a sick man wrote to his wife at night before he died.

    I wish my parents could see how their grand children turned out. I was executor of their complex estates. Our lawyer, a family friend told me. “You occupy a lonely position. You have now stepped to the head of the line.” My parents’ anniversary is June 21. My mothers is on June 12.

    On her last birthday, the children said she needed to make a wish before she blew out the candles on her cake. She said ” I want to be here for another birthday.” “Oh no!” said our son and our daughter chimed in too.” If you tell, it won’t come true.”

    My mother died in February. Our children still remember.

    My father worked on the farm through his nineties. When he was 92, he field cultivated for four hours without stopping. He really wanted to see how the harvest turned out, and he wanted to live to see our children’s 16 and 14th birthdays. He died two hours after our son’s birthday.

    One fall evening, my wife and children were still at school because she had to work late. I was hooking the bean head to the combine. A man stepped from the shadows of a grove of brush and made hand signals to help me align the bean head with the combine.
    When I got out, to visit with whomever had stopped by, I realized I was alone. No one was within miles of me.

  446. I wish I could have told my mother more. This song describes everything including my sitting up with her on her last night at home and of life. She died in Feb on our wedding anniversary.

  447. Doctors only gave good news about our grand daughter for two weeks in May before she was born. They had even seriously considered an abortion. Our daughter called and told us this was the first good news since May, 2013 just before her daughter was born.

    They said our grand daughter’s change since the last appointment is “astonishing” She is “awesome, “. and they still don’t know why.It shouldn’t be happening. They still don’t know why she had two seizures, and they can’t explain why her skull isn’t fusing,. Nothing fits.She now weighs 23 pounds and is in the 17th growth percentile. She is still microencephalic. They want her to have a richer diet. No one mentioned MRI scans this time.

    I agree with Thor. The second bill approved was largely symbolic. However, I don’t think this is finished yet.

    We have a lot of problems now. However I read an article I wish I had saved. The writer said hegemony evolves with ebbs and flows much more slowly than economic or other cycles. The United States occupies a position similar to when Rome and neighboring Italian cities were independent of each other but were still in effect, one country. The English speaking nations of the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are almost like one country. We with Europe all control the economic and cultural evolution of the world. For these reasons, American hegemony has a long future.

    This is another of Obama’s failures. He wants to destroy our position in the world.

    A CNN announcer said the man who shot up a police office was on one level brave. She is an extreme example of how attitudes of the press influence the rest of us.

  448. “You shouldn’t have gone there.”

    I’m sorry R. I didnt mean to mock your loss, just your car. Hell….sometimes the year anniversary of the death of a loved one is harder then then when that person passed.

  449. So as not to disappoint the orange striped one…

    No, Rutherford, I’ve never seen “The Blacklist” on TV. I don’t watch TV much anymore and it has been years since I was a loyal watcher of any program. My wife watches the snews and the history channel when she isn’t streaming yahoo news. Every once in a while we will sit through Big Bang Theory together.

    I choose to not be subject to the commercials and the constant propaganda. I often mock the snews when it’s on. 😀 The spin on current events amuses me. Once you know they are lying and you can see the glitches in their blue screen worlds, it changes how you interpret their words and stories.

    Seems better not to contemplate it.

    Ya. Ignorance is bliss. If we don’t think about it, it doesn’t exist… :facepalm:

  450. Wow Rutherford, was it painful removing the barbs last night. It appears to me that the bartender didn’t cut the patrons off soon enough. One of the patrons put Tex to shame.

  451. @ Thor & James
    I think you share the faux outrage of many regards treaty negotiation. Historically the details of treaties have not been public knowledge until the ratification process begins. The United States has a history of either vetoing or failing to act on accession regards international treaties as well. Last but by no means least the TPA was always meant to shield international agreements from singular sovereign interference AND to shield sovereign representatives from the pressures of lobbyists and other forms of corruption.
    TPA isn’t a new phenomenon, Obama is just trying to get it back after it expired. Ironically he wants something that helps negotiate something he was up until recently against,FTA’s, and going big.
    The myths of the TPP and TPIP that are afforded so much fuel by the “secrecy” of their negotiations is a prime example of the ignorance of the masses. Under no circumstances is it reality that the fruits of the technocrats are not subject to eventual and FINAL scrutiny by the people and their representatives. That’s the thing that bothers me the most about the opposition to TPP and TPIP. Nobody “knows” the contents,are ignorant to the history of negotiations and although the use the internet to stoke their ire about the negotiations they seem to forget the internet will be there to allow maximum and instantaneous scrutiny of the final product. Its laughable really.

  452. @ James what you described about hegemony in your last is based in what folks call the Anglosphere and in broader terms spheric politics. Specifically the TPP and the Pacific Pivot is in fact a sphere vs sphere hegemony game. The Sinosphere lead by China is exerting its muscle physically and economically. The other Asian states are being offered an opportunity to identify on an international scale as at a minimum independent of Beijing’s influence.This as China strong hand is shagging other nations ships and “building” islands in the South China Sea and China soft hand pursues ASEAN based trade agreements.
    India is a wild card which in its zeal to be a great nation will ultimately play a kind of spheric king maker. Recognizing this reality China is pursuing what is termed Silk Road I & II. A westward thrust of trade and infrastructure pacts across the “‘Stan’s” and into Africa.
    TPP in combination with the Pacific Pivot is truly a confrontational action against China and an all out “rescue” mission of sorts for ANZAC,Japan,the Philippines and Vietnam. It is a very real first shot in the hegemony war between the US and China.

  453. Rutherford – Have you seen the last report in the Rice saga? It appears that Rice was a special-needs student and that the gun was given to him by a friend who’d dismantled it but “couldn’t get the orange tip back on.” Yeah, right. Clearly he just wanted to make it look real. Guess he did; now his mate is dead.
    Don’t know much about gun regs in US – they are all but illegal in AU – but what would be the harm in saying that ALL toy guns must be cast from bright orange plastic in their entirety? Not just a coating, but the plastic itself must be International orange? Yeah, the teens would piss and moan, but at least one teen would still be alive.
    Thoughts?
    Raji – don’t worry about the barbs. Bigot barbs are trivial since they have no point, they don’t penetrate. Worry about criticism from those whom you respect. I usually read R’s comments, James’, and yours. Others at random, but only when I want to have a little fun at their expense.

  454. “Nobody “knows” the contents,are ignorant to the history of negotiations and although the use the internet to stoke their ire about the negotiations they seem to forget the internet will be there to allow maximum and instantaneous scrutiny of the final product. Its laughable really.” -Alphie

    Laughable? You think its laughable that Americans are suspicious that we will get a trade treaty without the propper time to vet its potential consequences.

    By a president who lied about the last major piece of legislation? The one we had to pass before we could find out what’s in it?

    Mark my words these trade deals will be full of horrific surprises.

    The only thing that should be secret is military intelligence and tech. End of story. I don’t give a shit if we don’t know what’s good for us and our betters do…..fuck that.

    What if the majority of Americans don’t want the deal?

    Hell…the British found out that fox hunting is illegal in a similar vein.

  455. @ dead rabbit I don’t know which direction to go with your comment so I’ll just throw a couple of things out there.
    Treaties get negotiated and hell yes the result often holds many negatives. Still the review and voting process should be more than enough time for representatives and the People to pass judgement upon it. If 90-120 days isn’t time enough to either enact important legislation or kill an abomination I don’t hold out much hope for our Republic.

  456. By a president who lied about the last major piece of legislation? The one we had to pass before we could find out what’s in it?

    Your point here is good and well taken but is equally discounted by the fact that Congress and the People had access to it all along and chose to be ignorant,pliant bitches and then reelected Obama.
    Does that bode well for proper scrutiny of TPP & TPIP? There I again share your pessimism and restate my thoughts that our Republic is f@#$ed in many ways.

  457. I’m so disappointed. Here, R has a 600+ comment thread on the cynical Bernie “Give it all away, it’s just other people’s money” Sanders, and the news is still saturated with a transracial woman in eastern Washington appropriating black privilege.

    Isn’t your sense of “social justice” just screaming to hold forth on this, R? Or are you willing to give her a pass too, just like your fellow travelers, because she has been fighting the power and promugating goodpolitithoughtspeech for years now?

  458. @ Rutherford I have watched extended video of the Tamir Rice shooting and have more information that impacts my previous analysis.
    The cops came in on average at speeds of 6-15 mph so “hot” doesn’t really apply. They did indeed see Rice though and rolled right up on him though.Whether that was impacted by topography alone is debatable.
    The reason they were on the grass was that the street they came from dead ends at the park. They “jumped” the curb to enter the park and weaved through some trees to get to the gazebo/pavillion.
    Other responding units included a car that had an FBI agent in it. He is the guy who initiated first aid to Rice and who has offered testimony that screams at CPD more than officers Loehman and Garmback. Essentially CPD is an undertrained police force tasked to police a city in need of very high levels of professionalism.

  459. “Your point here is good and well taken but is equally discounted by the fact that Congress and the People had access to it all along and chose to be ignorant,pliant bitches and then reelected Obama.”

    Dismantling after the fact?

    I think speaks against your point.

  460. There I again share your pessimism and restate my thoughts that our Republic is f@#$ed in many ways.

    The Republic is DEAD. If I was more cynical, I’d be working on a way to profit from what comes next. The problem is that when the chaos comes, there won’t be a place that remains untouched by it. That said, I’d be looking into a remote place that will be sufficiently far from a central government that will become so bloated that it will no longer have the ability to enforce its arbitrary and caprecious will, if I had the cabbage to do so.

    Asimov had some good insights about the rise and fall of governments and empires, and what replaces them.

  461. @ Alfie –

    ”When a weapon is in the hands of a suspect you tell them to drop it. When it is not in their hands YOU DO NOT TELL THEM TO TOUCH IT !!!”

    What’s your source for this? I looked but found nothing to support this, only that police sources said the officer ordered Rice to put his hands in the air. Instead he reached for his airsoft and was shot on the torso.

    PS…I just edited this comment to exclude the question as to whether or not the sheriff’s report changed your opinion of “too hot.” Got it.

  462. Tigre, entertaining reading. There’s only so much you can do to render a topic worthwhile that was beat to death here twice before, but you managed to make it interesting. Cheers~

  463. I love how rather than argue about what the “victim” finds offensive, rabbit just apologizes. Classy.

    Unlike Rutherford who when Tex tells him for the umpteenth time what offends him – Rutherford assails his priorities. And me? Well I’m just selectively offended.

  464. Again @ Alfie – Re: “What’s your source for this?”

    In case I wasn’t clear, by “this” I mean where did you read or see/hear that the officer told Rice to drop it (ie: to touch it when the weapon was not in his hands)?

  465. I thought some of you might want to know Fakename2, a former visitor to the bar passed away from pancreatic cancer Friday night. I just learned of it today.

    She was 66 years old.

  466. Your view sounds reasonable to me Alfie. As we know, China was en route to being a world power until their sailors were the first to circle the world. I think they began to withdraw around 1455, but I would have to look it up.

    Russia may also have reason to feel guarded about China. They have a lot of open spaces, and China has many people near by.

    Yes, I remember reading some of Isaac Asimov’s insights when I was in grade school. He taught me a lot with his science fiction. Modern science fiction is inferior to the old model.

    Whatever happens, I am certain Obama and his allies want to diminish our position in the world. Some of what has happened during his reign is a combination of mistakes and malevolence.
    My wife and I live in a rural back water two miles from the nearest neighbor. It is not a wilderness, but we will be fine unless hordes or refugees flee from Omaha or Sioux City.

  467. Tigre I remembered her “official” tag here being Fakename2 although folks lopped off the 2 when addressing her. In short the answer to your question is yes.

  468. Fuck the bodyguard shit. …

    LOL That was some funny shit Thor. Forget the bodyguard. When in trouble, call a lawyer. Or as Tigre would say “better call Saul”.

  469. James I find it so sad when loved ones die on days that are significant for other reasons.

    My daughter and my nephew have birthdays two days apart and my Dad died just after midnight therefore technically on my nephews birthday. I was thankful he didn’t pass on my daughters birthday but I felt bad he died on my nephews. That child’s birthday will always be bittersweet for my sister henceforth.

  470. There was something bittersweet. It was a happy time of year with the family together. Not a bad way to spend your last days. So in a way, it was not entirely tragic.

  471. Obama scolding the SCOTUS is undignified and total bullshit.

    I know he’s trying to provoke a reaction as part of an a strategy. Still bullshit. Trying to diminish a co-equal branch to enhance his own, particularly when you are targeting/preached to those that care nothing about separation of powers, is cheap as hell. The FF are spinning.

    Another reason to hate this lightweight.

    Happy Flag Day bitches!

    (R, got anything “rhetorically proximate” to” take away from an event that connects sickening patriotism to you political adversaries?)

  472. “Or as Tigre would say “better call Saul”.”

    Better call Tigre. Just make sure you got $$ for a big retainer. ET ain’t playing bingo at the nursing home.

  473. I think you share the faux outrage of many regards treaty negotiation.

    Perhaps you chose your words carelessly but I find nothing “faux” in the concerns of Thor, James and Rabbit for that matter. Their concern is genuine.

    I’m behind the curve on this topic but I know there are folks who felt shafted by NAFTA and carry that POV with them into this debate.

  474. Pfkakeass got me wondering: R, are you really a transblackfella? How do you “identify?”

    I am starting to question my whitefella privilege. The microaggressions around here have me so confused.

  475. Obama scolding the SCOTUS is undignified and total bullshit.

    I said so when he had his little falsehood spewing tantrum at the SOTU back in his first term.

    If he was still licensed to practice then, which he wasn’t, he likely wouldn’t have been for long.

    It’s what I’ve come to expect from the “constitutional scholar” who isn’t.

  476. I am starting to question my whitefella privilege. The microaggressions around here have me so confused.

    Toss out your brain, so you can say all the “right” things to avoid any consequences when you parlay a spray tan and perm into a professorship and leadership of your local NAACP chapter, Tigre. Problem solved.