The Real Problems with the Tuskegee Speech

First Lady Michelle Obama delivered a now infamous commencement address at Tuskegee University a couple of weeks ago. I read the speech transcript and for the most part it was boiler plate graduation speech. It was when Michelle decided to empathize with the audience that things went off the rails. It was a mistake but not for the reasons primarily cited by Fox and its conservative friends. 

The two gripes I heard were that Michelle recited a litany of black victimization and that she exaggerated. I heard stuff like “puhleeze, Obama went to prep school. Nobody was dissing Obama on racial grounds.” There were also accusations of not being “grateful” for the assumed affirmative action that Michelle was no doubt the beneficiary of. 

This all misses the point. The otherwise ordinary speech became a travesty for two reasons. First, Michelle chose a joyous event to tell these students essentially “no matter what you do, to whitey you’ll always just be a n—–.” This is what the predominantly black class will need to overcome. Is that really what Martin Luther King Jr. died for? After all the struggle and suffering culminating in the election of the first black president, Michelle’s message was that they should ignore  all the whites who voted for her husband and assume whites will give them the shaft. How inspirational!

The second problem is the “they” in Michelle’s attempt at empathy. “They” who cross the street when “they” see you coming. “They” who follow you around the store assuming you’re a thief. The “they” of course is white people. This reminds me of Obama at a San Francisco fundraiser talking about “clinging to guns and religion” or Romney and his 47% comment. Did it not occur to Michelle that her not-secretly-recorded speech would be seen by lots and lots of WHITE PEOPLE? Did she think she was having a private rap session? Does she not understand she is the First Lady of these white folks? Do they not have feelings? Do they deserve gratuitous offense from the best known woman in the country?

Six years ago I was seething with anger about the way some white folks were treating Barack Obama. I wrote then,

Well guess what folks! He is our President! Barack Obama is our President. He is your President if you voted for him. He is your President if you did not. He is your President if you are black. He is your President if you are white. He is your President if you are progressive and dammit, he is your President if you are conservative. He is OUR President.

Now I find myself needing to remind our First Lady that blacks are your people and whites are YOUR PEOPLE. ALL AMERICANS ARE YOUR PEOPLE! 
A hat tip goes to one of my readers who pointed me to a video by the YouTube host of “ZoNation” who touches on a couple of these themes. 

Michelle Obama owes the deservedly proud graduates of Tuskegee an apology for putting their accomplishments against a backdrop of racial discord. She owes America an apology for highlighting what divides us. It was beneath the dignity of a First Lady of the UNITED States of America.  

What do you think? The bar is open. 

An aside: I DO believe the government should  heavily subsidize the education of everyone. I do NOT agree with some of the points made in the video by Alfonzo Rachel. But that’s for another post. 

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823 thoughts on “The Real Problems with the Tuskegee Speech

  1. “This all misses the point.”

    It does no such thing.

    It begs the response.

    The big question for me is, “you’re just noticing this now?”

    Obama and the entitled whiny bitch have never been “ours.” Where have you been?

  2. Thomas Sewell rules.

    Michele has had a problem for years. She said Obama’s election was the first time she had been proud of our country.
    She is enanblematic of the progressive strategy of splintering our society for political gain. Real and imaginary victimization are effective weapons. We are not their people because the progressives haven’t yet decided how to use us.

    I like what you wrote, and you describe a serious problem largely created by progressives.

  3. I thought the best part of the entire video, R, was the point Michelle Obama was the very caricature of what Booker T. Washington, general founder of Tuskegee, warned against. Apparently, you have some agreement or you wouldn’t have penned this. I’ll repeat it for the crowd:

    “There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs – partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” ~ BTW

    So tell me truthfully. Does Booker T. Washington sound more like Dr. Ben Carson? Or more like Barack and Michelle Obama? And if you’re honest, then you tell me how you can conclude the way you do about what ails black America?

  4. James,

    I believe Michelle Obama is the female version of Barack Obama; or Barack Obama is the male version of Michelle Obama. Each of them have complementary talents.

    I’ve been saying for quite some time, Michelle Obama is far and away the more wicked and nasty of the two. And I believe actually the better spoken of the two off the cuff. But Barack is the far more effective and smooth closet racist. They make a formidable pair, because their People Magazine/Vogue routine plays well to the mentally ill, a requisite to white liberalism and Leftist academia. The appeal to black America is self evident – full of hate for America.

    Most of us long ago or at least by now, realize Barack Obama is a lightweight puppet of average intelligence with a gift for delivery. His ego is fed by those who he bids for. He is still the best spoken member of Jeremiah Wright’s church, but a member nonetheless and most comfortable in the pews with his own kind. Look for Barack Obama to become a far more radical and effective agitator after he leaves office. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

    The name of Barack Obama will become as much a stain on America to whites as the name Jim Crow is to blacks. Believe me when I tell you these two demons will settle for nothing less than your white face bowing at their black feet.

    Michelle Obama is little more than an entitled, angry black female racist who hates America and always has with an inferiority complex as wide as the Grand Canyon. No matter what gifts are laid at Michelle’s feet, she looks in the mirror and is angry, always believing herself victim and lowest caste – an unattractive black female trying to convince herself she can be Queen of Sheba, a beautiful black nubian.

  5. That sounds right to me Tex.

    We also know how progressives use race to attack whites and the police. Yesterday Omaha police found a black thug who had a long record and who was accused of shooting a man last September.

    The resulting gun battle killed the man. A police officer also died. Some professional victims muttered again about white privilege as Michele did and it might have gone further except for the police officer’s history.

    She was a step mother, and her baby was born so early she could have been late term aborted. Her baby was in the hospital for three months. The baby was to be released today and the mother planned to take maternity leave.

    Who knows what she was thinking on her last day? The police officer probably had her daughter in the back of her mind yesterday.

    So far, the police woman’s death has shocked too many people for victim-based politics. Dramas like this play out every day. No one outside of local areas notice or care.

    Thank goodness, the bad guy is as dead as the gentle giant and the other recently famous criminals. At least their deaths will save the taxpayers money.

    Victims like Michele and progressives who use and exaggerate wrongs don’t deserve to live in this country, but we are stuck with them.

  6. Booker T. Washington is an absolute villian on college campuses.

    In class, he only comes up so that the professor can point out evil during a rare break from the W.E.B. Du Bois circle jerk.

  7. 😈 Topless Women Shut Down Traffic in San Francisco for Black Women/Trans Lives Matter Protest 😈

    I’ll forewarn you now, this one will burn your retinas if you scroll down too far. Like somebody there said. Looks like a National Geographic special of sub-Saharan Africa if they had a McDonalds and Popeyes Chicken on every corner. LOL

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/video-topless-women-shut-down-traffic-in-san-francisco-for-black-womentrans-lives-matter-protest/

  8. Thanks for making my soul puke. Here is my antidote. These people battled back from adversity without complaining,just prayers.

  9. Off topic but related to job hunt topic in prior thread. I mentioned in prior thread how evaluating job applications is the only “power” any of these assholes have ever had. Brings some importance to their otherwise insignificant lives.

    Case in point: the job my wife just got rejected for. I wanted to mention it in prior thread but held off from fear the idiots might find the comment. The employer was the local fucking LIBRARY; the job a pure tech job (no library science needed). They treated the application process like it was for a fucking CIA job. Demanded EVIDENCE of college graduation (any tech savvy HS kid could do it) so my wife wasted 3 bucks getting an official transcript. Then a phone screening and then an official interview with I think two different people.

    In the background I’m saying “tell them you’re not the fucking Library of Congress. Either give me the job or don’t!” Of course she plays their little chase the cheese through the maze game – she has no choice.

    Got the rejection today. I say good- fuck them and the horse they rode in on – self important assholes. Not even a 9-5 job. 20 hours a week with a terrible schedule and entry level pay. She was way over qualified. It’s like being forced to interview with Ray Croc just to flip burgers.

    They’ll probably go with some kid fresh from college who just discovered his major in “exotic flowers” isn’t going to do shit for him.

    This job hunting thing is TOTAL BULLSHIT. You go through all this shit and humiliation for a job you don’t even want but you have to make money to survive.

    We now return to your previously scheduled programming.

    P.S. Tex, Archie Bunker though you may be, you’re still my hero on this score. I soooo want to have the freedom to tell all these folks to go fuck themselves.

  10. Thor, from the prior thread I hear you. Sometimes relationships feel like a no-win. Either you die (which you don’t want to do) or you watch all the folks you love die. It’s the one part of marriage that I loathe.

    Doesn’t even matter if it’s the natural order of events. My parents were, naturally, supposed to predecease me. Didn’t make it one bit easier.

  11. It’s like being forced to interview with Ray Croc just to flip burgers.

    😆 😆 That was actually pretty damn funny, Rutherford. I shall add that to my personal repertoire.

    I probably don’t need to do this, but tell your Mrs. to ignore these profanely ignorant twits and consider herself lucky that as a bright woman, she doesn’t have to lower herself to work with a pack of braying dumb asses. By the 3rd day, your wife would be so damn bored, she might come home and tear your head off before pulling her hair out. That ain’t worth a part-time minimum wage job.

    Can you imagine your perception of self worth if this is your idea of power?

    If that’s the kind of crap your wife is now being subjected to, I would clean toilets before I would subject myself to that kind of B.S..

    P.S. – that picture is the Mona Lisa compared to that S.F. crowd I posted a link to.

  12. On the other hand, if you are lucky, you outlive your enemies.

    How do you feel about self employment? The odds would be against you unless you had a grand idea to fill a demand and you were psychologically right for the task.

  13. “This job hunting thing is TOTAL BULLSHIT”

    Man…I’ve been rejected so many times.

    Same kind of shit.

    And….I assure you both your wife and you handle it better then the Rabbit.

    I woke up so enraged being unemployed I started punching myself in the face as hard as I could at 3 AM. Woke up out of a dead sleep with the Wrath of Achilles.

    It woke up my wife and she witnessed it all. She started screaming at me to stop.

    I was fucking bonkers.

    That’s how I ended up working in corrections. Either I move out of state and work in high security juvenile prison or I end up in prison myself, going the 1%er path. They were the only people that would hire me with my college degree.

    My wife knew we had to move or else.

    Roofing wouldn’t work anymore because I needed to insurance to get my patella reattached.

  14. How do you feel about self employment?

    James I’ve had my own company since 2007. I suck at marketing and if you can’t market you can’t get customers. I made money at it but so little money I’d be embarrassed to quote it here.

    BTW, in the course of the past 8 years I fired myself and then rehired myself. 😊 Interestingly around late 2009 – 2010 I gained mindshare in the field but still no paying customers.

  15. Plus Rabbit, and I know this sounds like whining, but I swear there is age discrimination out there. My wife is in her late 40’s, I’m in my mid 50’s. We have a friend who was told by an interviewer outright that they wanted someone fresh from college. My question: why put her through the torture of an interview when her resume clearly identified her as a no-go? Are these people sadistic, stupid or both?

  16. I don’t understand your need to deny the reality of racism and discrimination.

    Well, perhaps it is that occasionally, unlike you, Rutherford is trying to be honest and not play shill with Democratic bylines. Perhaps Rutherford is granting recognition, unlike you, there are a significant number of racist blacks and this speech was not only distasteful but pandered to the victim mentality.

    Or perhaps, it is just that Rutherford is not only more honest than you, but more intelligent than you. Then again, that is not much to brag about.

  17. I agree with you, Rutherford. It costs nothing for a corporation to simply admit up front that a person is not qualified, or in your wife’s case vastly overqualified and the chances are poor that she would be offered a position. And part of that qualification is they know fully well that some desperate college graduate with a nice liberal arts degree serving at the barista will tolerate about anything when the market is tight.

  18. Are these people sadistic, stupid or both?

    Clearly stupid. Probably not sadistic but self-absorbed and lacking a combination of professionalism, manners, and compassion.

  19. Ajax, there is a place and a time. You don’t feed racial apprehension at a graduation ceremony! And whether she likes it or not, she occupies a position that demands she be VERY careful about messaging.

    Imagine Laura Bush delivering a commencement address where she said “and yes I know you’re afraid to work in the inner city because you’re afraid they will mug you. We’ve all felt that way about THEM. But don’t let that deter you from working in the inner city.” All of us would have our hair on fire!

    It’s also similar to Barack lecturing on the past evils of Christianity AT A PRAYER BREAKFAST! I completely agreed with what Barack said but time and place! Completely tone deaf.

    We are reaching a tipping point where whites (especially conservative ones) who work hard at fairness are getting sick and tired of being broad brushed with the racist label.

    Let me ask you a simple question. Should Michelle Obama be as concerned about not offending white folks as she is about not offending black folks? The title of the video covers it. Is she First Lady of black America?

  20. Also, Ajax, it’s possible to sink a good speech with even just one lousy passage. I have no problem with much of what the CSM article quotes. But CSM omitted the bits about what “they” do when they see you coming down the street. Hence they missed the most offensive part of the speech.

  21. Tex sometimes the process is downright deceptive. She interviewed once for a project manager job and after the phone pre-screen she said to me “I’m not sure they know what a PM is.” Sure enough at the face to face they described a sales job. Their fingers didn’t trip over the keys and accidentally type “project manager”.

    The only question is how was it in their best interest to mis-advertise a job and interview the wrong people for it?

  22. I suck at marketing and if you can’t market you can’t get customers.

    Not true. I do no marketing and I’m swamped with work. Do something well and word gets around.

    So why isn’t your business spreading by word of mouth? Your clients don’t have lips? Don’t you have any clients happy enough with your services to talk you up to their associates? If you offer something of value, there is likely a demand and that means you can sell more than one. Market yourself. Build on your past successes. You do have successes, right?

  23. Michelle Obama owes the deservedly proud graduates of Tuskegee an apology for putting their accomplishments against a backdrop of racial discord. She owes America an apology for highlighting what divides us. It was beneath the dignity of a First Lady of the UNITED States of America.

    If everything was on the up and up, you’d have a valid point. I think it naive to consider what was said spontaneous and not contrived. Anything that gets out there via media is well versed and censored. These folks have plenty invested in this game, nothing is happenstance.

    Hindsight affording what it does, it is now obvious the puppets in black face were intended to incite more divisiveness under the guise of tearing down those racial barriers. The banksters have played us well.

    It should be no surprise that we are more divided now than we were 6 years ago. Everything the media can it does to stoke controversy. Look to what level it has elevated gossip? Even when it isn’t about racism, they make it about racism. We often blame the individual spokesperson for their words, when really it’s the media that puts together the script and slants it to establish the narrative. These people are just performing their role.

  24. Poolman I’ll spare the details so as not to bore the patrons but I’m in a niche business and that is putting it mildly. Word of mouth can go just so far.

    I’m determined to resurrect it in some shape or form. I just have to time it where I can balance the inherent risks.

  25. My wife has a side business that has been more successful than mine but her product is far less esoteric – fancy bags! Unfortunately all the money goes back into the biz so no actual income from it.

  26. Rutherford, in my business a niche holds a light. And with today’s LED technology you get a lot of brilliance for a little energy. 🙂

  27. Imagine Laura Bush delivering a commencement address where she said “and yes I know you’re afraid to work in the inner city because you’re afraid they will mug you. We’ve all felt that way about THEM. But don’t let that deter you from working in the inner city.”

    That’s a damn good analogy. But I can’t let you get away with this:

    It’s also similar to Barack lecturing on the past evils of Christianity AT A PRAYER BREAKFAST! I completely agreed with what Barack said but time and place! Completely tone deaf.

    No way. That’s moral equivocation at its worst and a blatant lie, forgetting the venue. That would be like Charles Martel apologizing for defeating the Muslim invasion of 732 at the gates of his home. Had that been at a Jewish breakfast, that might have made sense.

    But that analogy is like one Slate made recently:

    Hitler – “Germany declares war on Poland”
    Churchill – “Hitler has declared war on Poland”
    Rutherford – “Churchill sounds just like Hitler”

  28. Rutherford, how did you break the news to yourself that you were firing yourself?

    I agree, marketing is as important as the product. Shark Tank illustrates what self promotion can for do sales. I wish you knew someone like my father in law. He quit farming because of asthma and within three years had a thriving feed and live stock supply company. You and a sales person could become partners.

  29. I’m sure age discrimination exists. Often it is good business. Why should a company hire an older person with fewer working years than one fresh out of school? The company has to go through the motions to avoid discrimination charges. My brother suspected it was happening to him before he got his current job over twenty years ago.

  30. So you really believe the words that come out of her mouth are her own?

    ok let me rephrase. She had a chance to say “hell no” and tell her speechwriter to edit.

  31. Rutherford, it has been wonderful to watch your political transition over the past year, although it has happened so slowly that maybe you don’t see it. It would appear that, in the face of contrary facts, you are educable. Damned fine fault to have – and a rare one.

    On another topic: Photoshopped pictures of Obama’s wife with a big ass do exactly the same thing as do pictures of blacks looting shoe stores: prove to the bigots that their stereotypes about how others see them are correct. Maybe a little funny – damn little – but not helpful.

  32. Hey “R”? Got a question. Is health care an issue concerning employment? I thought you said you purchased Bammy care.

    If not and your wife has a talent with the arts and crafts and fashion , why doesn’t she go apply in some high end shopping mall, take a measly job for time decorating the mannequins or something, and bide her time? She’ll be running the dept. full time before you know it. Anybody with a work ethic anymore is pretty much a rarity.

    I’ve got a friend who owns a Heating & Air place and he told me, though he doesn’t advertise, he won’t hire anybody younger than 40. 🙂 How’s that for age discrimination? Said he finds the youngin’s not worth a shit – his words, not mine.

  33. I agree Parker. I’m not a fan of the pic – even tempted to take it down – very gross. I’m sticking to my free expression principles for the time being. It’s certainly a blot on the comments section.

    I may enclose it in a comment just so I don’t have to look at it when I visit the blog on my PC.

  34. One more thing, Ajax bigotry is inborn to all of us. Mistrust of strangers helped our species survive. It is our duty to fight the impulses and to teach our children to be better than we were.

    Michele Obama has exaggerated experiences with discrimination as Oprah has done. She represents us all. She is not the first lady of black people. If she and her husband considered blacks to be their folks to the exclusion of other races, why should other races vote for such politicians?

    She has also benefited from reverse discrimination as when she worked for a hospital when Obama was a congressman. Their records and Obama’s hidden grades suggest affirmative action helped make them successful.

    Logic followed to its conclusion suggests the Obamas stole positions from others who were equally qualified but who belonged to the wrong race or social group. Elizabeth Warren is another social thief who was more overt.

    Michele should have noted the progress we have made. But no, it was part of the progressive theme of divide and conquer. As noted, it was the wrong time and place.

  35. On another topic: Photoshopped pictures of Obama’s wife with a big ass do exactly the same thing as do pictures of blacks looting shoe stores: prove to the bigots that their stereotypes about how others see them are correct. Maybe a little funny – damn little – but not helpful.

    They didn’t have to photoshop the big ass. It’s already there.

    I don’t you think have much credibility “preaching” about bigots being offensive, being that is 99% of what you traffic in of a different form, dink. I’ll pretend you’re still coming off the evening drunk and not realizing what a massive hypocrite you read.

  36. You have my ‘permission’ to delete that, Rutherford. 🙂 I only put it out there because (1) I loathe the fucking woman and I hope she loathes me; (2) It was attached to the link I provided the breast baring.

  37. Sorry, R. I’m still chuckling to myself about a “blot” on the comments section. If that were the hard and fast rule around this zoo, there would be very few comments. 😆

  38. Ha Ha Rutherford!

    Since race is part of the discussion, here is what happened last night. My wife and I will be home for five days. Before we left we ate at Texas Road House. Our grand daughter is gregarious and says “hi” to almost anyone.

    A black family sat behind us. Our grand daughter said “baby” than “hi” to the four or so year old year girl behind us. At first the girl was standoffish, but our grand daughter is hard to ignore. She is focused with a long attention span. They began making silly faces at each other and both clapped when line dancers went by.

    Our grand daughter grabbed the girl’s hand and they held hands for fifteen minutes. Her mother said “don’t bother that child.” The girl replied “look. I’m not bothering her.” She raised her hand to show that our grand daughter had a death grip on her finger. The girl also got extra points because our grand daughter’s hand was greasy from eating a salad.

    Both said “bye bye” when we left, and we and the parents wished each other a good night.

  39. I still think the NASCAR story I posted is more inspirational than anything from the current Democratic and some Republican leaders’ actions. Certainly not the Obamas or Clintons.

  40. I’ll meet you halfway Tex and hyperlink it to text. You certainly have not cornered the market on offensive around here.

    Rabbit’s right. I probably shouldn’t have outed myself here, search engines being what they are. 🙂

  41. The biggest problem with Michele Obama’s speech was that it changes the purpose of commencement addresses. She wasn’t congratulating or advising or even addressing the graduates. Her predatory speech was a heavy dose of propaganda, the purpose if which was (is) to break down the self esteem of white people.

  42. “You certainly have not cornered the market on offensive around here.”

    Pffffft.

    Ghetto booty is all in the eye of the beholder.

  43. I’ll meet you halfway Tex and hyperlink it to text. You certainly have not cornered the market on offensive around here.

    Nah, get rid of it. I would if it were my board. I’d have snatched into the dust bin pronto, though I admire your openness, Mr. R – Thor is right, you’re too agreeable sometimes. I apologize for the pictorial vulgarity.

    I did it just for shock value to amuse my friends because at first glance it is pretty funny, and make you roll your eyes. I let my dislike of the witch get the better of me. If I went by the rule don’t post something your mother wouldn’t approve, I’d be getting my mouth washed out with LifeBuoy soap about right now. And my wife the prude wouldn’t have approved of the Sub-Saharan Popeye’s Chicken crowd either as she removed her pointed shoe broken off.

    I don’t want my name affiliated with clearly sexist crap like that being that having two daughters has changed me, but I dislike Michelle Obama’s disingenuous act so much, I frankly do consider her fallen and a demon from hell. Shelly sends a shudder up my back just listening to her because I know she hates me and wouldn’t mind seeing my type dusted. I think she is truly evil. I think not only is she bitter and angry, but such an ingrate and hateful, I have zero respect for the woman and really do consider her the enemy.

  44. My imagination visited ridiculous places, Rutherford, but it was better than where rabbit’s link took me. At least most people were hostile to the murderer.

    One thing you never do at Texas Road House is tell the wait staff it is your birthday.

    Michele should reflect on the lives her husband wasted when he threw away after what even Obama and Biden admitted was a victory in the Middle East.

  45. Sami singer Sofia Jannok’s description applies, Tex….alien occupying regime. I have used the term before because it is true.

  46. Maybe James, but in that racist hatemonger’s nature, I think Lucifer’s general would be a better descriptor of Shelly Antoinette.

    There are certain people I find wicked and of foul wind from the start. Eva Peron Obama is one, George Soros is another. While I have always found Barack onion skinned and narcissistic, I believe Michelle so angry,unfulfilled, ungrateful, egotistical, and bitter to be sociopathic – even more so than Hillary Clinton. She’s got the same set of sycophants following her around while she preens.

    And that is no exaggeration.

    Like Dennis Miller said the other night which I thought pretty funny, “The name SOROS has replaced the name SPECTRE in James Bond movies.” 😆 😆

  47. Rutherford your work seems to bring the contrarian out in me.
    MO was at a HBCU one of the big ones too and you found her speech crossed a line?.
    I don’t see it and I definitely don’t see where she owes the graduates any type of apology.

  48. Rutherford, you scolded me about this the other day. But apparently, I share pretty smart company. Sure you don’t want to rethink this, or does that hit a little too close to home concerning the real magnitude of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton’s failures?

    The current collapse was not predetermined in 2003 but in 2011. Isn’t that what should be asked of Hillary Clinton? We know you think the invasion of 2003 was a mistake. But what about the abandonment of 2011? Was that not a mistake? . . .

    And the damage was self-inflicted. The current situation in Iraq, says David Petraeus, “is tragic foremost because it didn’t have to turn out this way. The hard-earned progress of the surge was sustained for over three years.”

    Do the math. That’s 2009 through 2011, the first three Obama years. And then came the unraveling. When? The last U.S. troops left Iraq on Dec. 18, 2011.

    Want to do retrospective hypotheticals? Start there. ~ Charles Krauthammer

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/you-want-hypotheticals-heres-one/2015/05/21/909713d6-ffe9-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html

  49. That was no blot, it was a solar flare! My eyes still fucking hurt. 🙂

    She was speaking on a heritage site that was once a plantation. I imagine she was invited by the students, but even if it was the faculty, they knew what she would bring. She owes no apology for speaking her mind.

    Having said that, she could have easily made this argument in a much more civil, helpful and less bigoted way. The point lost by most in this was that she went on to tell these kids not to use such slights as an excuse not to achieve. If she had simply prefaced her statement with something like – I hope you never encounter such situations, we should ALL hope you never encounter such situations, but IF you do …

    That’s how you build bridges. Sadly, I must agree with most members here (which in itself is tough 🙂 ), but she doesn’t seem interested in building bridges. She’d rather burn them down. I say sad because her and her husband had a chance to be different. Their whole message could have been, look, it has been this way, but it doesn’t have to be this way.

    Not that it’s surprising. They are politicians after all. Politicians never fail to disappoint.

    “While I have always found Barack onion skinned and narcissistic, I believe Michelle so angry,unfulfilled, ungrateful, egotistical, and bitter to be sociopathic” – Tex

    Well duh, he’s only half black. She has twice the right he has to be pissed. 😉
    I wonder if she’s mad at him half the time.

  50. You know what, Rutherford. I think Thor is right in the attempt to break the “white people.”

    What this mindless dimwit doesn’t understand is even at her position, she is incapable of doing but one of three things at the presentation; in my opinion position #2 the correct one. Either smoothing things over, a generic speech of simply uplifting their achievement, or inflaming. And Ms. Obama always chooses to attempt the latter because she hates white people and that is her agenda.

    That’s the misconception and the biggest error. The more Shelly tries to stick it to “the man,” the more damage she is causing “her own people” and nobody but her people. Michelle Obama is wholly selfish. She’s been granted luxury very few are afforded, and yet she is still bitter, resentful, hateful, and uninspiring. She’s the definition of ingrate and provoking evil. And while amongst the mindless sheep she’s inspiring because they are stupid and reading People Magazine, she is black, she is Obama’s wife. Period. There is nothing particular magnificent about that woman and she is a fixture of the media because they share a like mind and use her as a prop – hatred of white men, the perceived white privilege, and our accomplishment.

    The reality is, black America has taken a major backwards step under the leadership of Barack and Michelle. Net worth, reputation, you name it – backwards.

    Frankly, Shelly has blown it worse that Barack.

  51. Tigre,

    We do live in very interesting times.

    More proof this has nothing to do with tolerance, actually has leap-frogged right past the attempt at forced acceptance by fiat, and now is into the first stages of real fascism – Western totalitarianism. I believe the intent is to destroy any and all vestiges of the traditional church and traditional values held specifically by the Christian church by means of intimidation, harassment and threat. The reasons are still not entirely clear to me but I would hope even to my secular friends of clear mind and still open to suggestion, you might give some thought and introspection as to why the mere stance and creed of Christianity sends these malcontents into a state of apoplexy, and why so many of them have this irrational hatred of Israel.

    The social justice warrior using the Gospel message was a ruse. I am actually grateful to some extent. I have been saying this for quite some time, well over a decade. In a profane way, I feel somewhat vindicated. As I got older, I didn’t believe I would be an active part of it. Now I am not so sure. The speed at which things are changing is utterly breathtaking and transparent to me. How it plays out I don’t know, but I do know it is the ultimate dangerous game.

    Most enemies of the Judeo-Christian tenets are still scared to death of Islam of whom they have formed a loose, unholy alliance to ally in the battle. I assume they ignorantly believe they can control Islam when the common enemy is removed, because surely they can’t be so naive to believe Islam will ultimately let them live of free will. If so, I don’t believe those types will never even make it to the grand finale.

    A war of culture, of will, of civilizations is clearly underway.

    However, I will tell you crazy as it may sound to some of you, my entire prediction was not my own but one I chose to believe. One made long, long ago on a simple premise of faith. I know I am in the minority and yet I have no fear. I have been giving a great deal of thought in how to prepare myself, quizzing myself, “Do you have what it takes to see this to the end?”

    And I profess truthfully I’m not entirely sure I am there yet.

  52. I agree it is an attempt to break and segment white people, so progressives can set each race and social population against the others. Their attempt to weaken Christianity is easy to explain if their motive is to become god.

    Maybe God will tire of this and send a solar flare, or He will let one of the nastiest races on earth get angry enough to sweep the progressives away through Islam or native racial anger. I think an attempt to destroy white self esteem will end badly.

  53. I wonder if she’s mad at him half the time.

    LOL That was classic Thor.

    Your comment captures what I would have said to Alfie. The speech, which could have been a glorious celebration of generational progress, instilling the desire to go even further, instead trotted out the well worn grievance of being hassled by the man. The speech could have soared in keeping with the metaphor she used in talking about the airmen. Instead it delved into the mundane.

    It was almost like Roseann Rosannadanna at a commencement speech trying to be inspirational and then careening off into “dontcha just hate it when you gotta take a shit and you just can’t push it out or you get a big hard booger in your nose and you don’t have a Kleenex?” Thanks Roseanne (and Michelle) for the mundane reality check.

  54. Rutherford if you don’t like my comment or FLOTUS speech you need to up your game and outlaw HBCUs. The culture that is those schools are simpatico with what you rail against on Obama.

  55. Alfie, self segregation does nothing to improve this country. Honestly, I’m not a fan of HBCU’s. I consider them vestiges of a racist past when blacks could not get a good education alongside whites.

    I remarked on Twitter the other day how self segregation follows us from cradle to grave. The retirement community Sun City in AZ, is almost 99% white. I wondered, where do blacks retire to? I’m not accusing Sun City of discrimination. Folks want to be with “their own kind”. But that kind of behavior on the part of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etcetera will doom any hopes for reconciliation.

    Only immersive familiarity conquers bigotry.

  56. Yup. And, while its in Canada, it is the natural progression of your fascist friends.

    One day we may have to slaughter you people in civil war.

  57. Oh and Alfie, the great tragedy is that the Tuskegee audience, for the most part, doesn’t even know Michelle owes them an apology. But I guarantee there was a family or two in that audience who heard the “follows you around the store” anecdote and said “shit, I came here for THIS? I can get this any night on my TV.”

  58. My great aunt taught at Tuskegee.
    An example of preferring to be with one’s own kind:

    My father in law, as I mentioned, was a brilliant salesman. He expanded his territory to cover much of northwest Iowa, in less than three years, but when he hit the Dutch region, it was like smashing into a stone wall. My father in law could not find customers there because he was German, not Dutch.

    He solved his problem by making his Dutch son-in law a figurehead partner. He then made so many sales his son-in law’s farm became a branch office as his territory spread to South Dakota.

  59. Well, the Senate Republicans have gifted King Obama that chance to knock the middle class down another notch.

    Oh..its all kept secret from us plebeians, but don’t worry, the masses will get to buy more quasi slave labor shit that doesn’t last 6 months for 10% cheaper.

    Awesome…we all get to buy a new winter coat every year.

    I guess its better that way because more food stamps will be going out.

    Fucking morons. As if these chink and wetback countries won’t be secretly protectionist assholes themselves.

    Sold. Out.

    You hear that?

    That’s more jobs pissing out of America.

  60. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    I don’t care what nation it comes from. Buy built to last. Outside of cars, that will be American made shit.

    I’m done with Wallmart.

    I will not walk in another one in my life unless…uh….I really need a case of beer.

    Even the right fucking sucks. Globalist assholes who forgot what it means to have a proud country that builds shit.

    I’m depressed today boys.

    Tell me why I shouldn’t be.

  61. I told my father in law, dead less then a year, Obama will fuck the Teamsters and fuck labor over. No pipeline. And now we are giving more jobs to prepubescent Asians.

    Liberals don’t want a middle class. They are prone to be swing voters. Beat them down and get them on the .gov nipple.

  62. Well Reagan Democrats, the Democratic Party might have finally got its revenge on you.

    Only the radical odd balls in the House stand for you now.

  63. Fucking Congressman Ryan. TARP corporate welfare whore, now this.

    I’m about done with the GOP.

    As if a diverse country of nearly 400 million can exist as a service first economy akin the fucking Netherlands.

  64. Right wingers, think long and hard about essentially including foreign hordes into your social contract.

  65. I don’t know. The days of the middle class might be coming to a close. Between selling out and B1s, don’t think the white collars aren’t taking it in the shorts too, Brother Rabbit.

    I feared this day long ago when I realized there was no way that American productivity could possibly offset the marginal wage expense – sooner or later those Chinese sweat shops were going to catch us. That was going on 30 years ago.

    Ironically, the one industry that is still predominantly white or black in the field and on the floor is the oil industry. Even there, the Mexicans are now doing the grunt work. And they don’t mind having red hot crude oil splashing them either for about $12.00 an hour. That’s a far cry from $60K a year.

    If I had a son and he wasn’t a damn good student with his mind set on professional office, I would direct his butt right out to trade school and either learn plumbing or heating and air. Something that can’t easily be duplicated with two weeks training. I’ve got a brother-in-law right now three years older than me that lost his job back in 2000, chased a dream in NYC while living a 400sq ft. apartment paying a small fortune a month for that rat hole, and came back to Oklahoma beaten and broke. We wired him so money to get home. Drives a truck now and makes pretty good money doing it – but it’s a bitch on his health.

    When I hear Mark Zuckerberg, that Apple shit CEO whose name escapes me, Gates, and Larry Page talk about how they can’ find enough qualified help, I want to puke. I know STEM grads right now that are good students that are struggling to find quality work.

    What those maggots really mean is they can find equally qualified help from China, India, Pakistan and the like who will work for 50% of the salary on a two year contract.

    Problem is, the greater that wage gap grows, the larger the mob gets. If I had money, I would live very inconspicuously these days. Zuckerberg’s security force is going to run for the tall weeds when the food runs out.

    I’ve got a few fairly wealthy friends who have given serious thought to moving to Central America. Frankly, I find that foolish too.

    I don’t know what the answer is but the one thing I know that it isn’t is big government.

  66. Tex….you dam right white collar workers are getting pimped too.

    And your so right…the mob grows…just as Rutherford’s idols need it too.

  67. Mmm methinks Rabbit gonna start a Run Liz Run movement (or at least join the one already in progress).

    If it makes you feel any better Rabbit, Republican ex-Sec of Defense Bob Gates is for the trade agreement.

  68. DR I find it depressing but the phrase du jour lately is “those jobs are never coming back”.

    Be angry at the pols all you want. They are just pandering to an outsource addicted business community. If it gets in the way of profits, fuck made-in-America.

    I know how to make you feel better. Really I do. Do you wear a belt? Buy an Anson belt. Made in America. Very high quality stuff with a clever no-holes design.

    http://ansonbelt.com

    Buy one for your country dude. I stand by the product!

  69. You guys aren’t sounding very patriotic tonight. What gives?

    Hey! You guys are doing my shtick. 😯

    A bit cruder maybe, but sounding true. DC has sold us out boys and girls. To the corporations that have no allegiance. To the too big to fail debt collector club. It’s just like this…

  70. But Tex there is another interesting phenom that I saw at IBM and I’m sure it exists elsewhere. The folks doing the cheap labor start to wise up and demand higher wages. We’ve seen a migration from India to Brazil and I hear even African nations now. Why? Because the Indians said enough of this shit. We wanna get paid.

    The corps will scour the globe for cheap labor. If any country gets too “uppity” they’ll lose the labor war to a country more “humble”.

  71. The only difference between this Congress and the last one was that the House used to make (token) efforts to stop Obama.

  72. Like I said, politicians rarely fail to disappoint. I wonder if the 50,000 plus guys and gals that fell in the rice and mud ever thought their sacrifice would be forgotten because of something as trivial as cheap tennis shoes. Shameful.

    And it doesn’t end there. Wait ’til they get a whiff of the cheap labor in Cuba. Cubans get $40 a month. Assuming a 40 hour work week (and that’s a big assumption) that equates to about 25 cents per hour. Say hello to Cuban made Duck Dynasty graphic tees.

    And while we’re all stewing about this, they’re going to slip another blade between the vertebrae with the Patriot Act renewal. It goes without saying, I’ve always despised Mitch the Bitch. You guys, at the very least, must be disappointed with him on this Patriot Act debacle. He wants a 5 year extension without any reforms. I say let it sunset.

    My only hope is the fact that a holiday is coming up. Those silly Senators sure love their vacations.

  73. Say hello to Cuban made Duck Dynasty graphic tees.

    😆 😆 You and Rutherford, I usually slam for incessant ‘Libism’ and Obama love. Yesterday, you both were damn funny. I’m still laughing about Ray Croc interviewing Rutherford’s wife to flip hamburgers. It’s a mad, mad, mad world.

    Don’t you commies misunderstand me, though. I said this was inevitable. I actually like my cheap WalMart goods. I like my Honda Accord – which is 85% built in America. And I still think we can win this thing, too. There’s a couple of things we’re forgetting, one is a lot of these countries we compete with are still incompetent and corrupt.

    But it will take you two and a whole lot more Leftists getting their head in the game and agreeing “freebies” and the welfare state are out of control, we have to dramatically cut federal government and get rid of the fraud, and we’ve got to make American corporations more competitive by rethinking the tax and regulation base.

    We need to dramatically slow immigration.

    And we need to start stringing up bank executives and putting them in the general prison population. This banking scam demonstrates your Democratic Party is up to its eyeballs in Crony Capitalism. A $5 billion dollar fine and nobody is going to prison?

    Let’s not forget that my own former Senator, Dr. Tom “No” Coburn each year identified $250 billion in federal fraud, waste, theft that neither Congress ever acted upon to any degree. Why don’t we start there?

  74. Thor you forgot to mention the boat people and the people sent to re education camps. I met a young man who was in a boat which sank. He had to choose between saving his mother or his cousin.

    This was not a big surprise or enough to cause more anger than I already have. I didn’t think I would be rooting for liberal Democrats so soon.

    Juxtipose “Ruby” with Congress and other leaders. They are the same whores as Ruby. One difference is my legs are not “bent and paralyzed.” I don’t plan to use my gun. To Congress “for God’s sake turn around” or we will sweep you out of office as we did many Democrats.

    Mary Arnold Miller lived so close to me that I knew people who knew her. She married Roger Miller, later performed with him, and she manages his estate. She has done a lot of charitable work and is in the Iowa Music Hall of Fame.

    Country music singer Mel Tillis wrote the song about a Korean War veteran. It illustrates that people follow the same script.

    I am so grateful I chose to farm after liberals said they didn’t want people like me in their polite academic society. To hell with them all.

  75. Liberal Democrats sent us to war and betrayed the countries we were supposed to defend. When we returned, they called us baby killers and worse.

    Recently, they and Republicans sent us to war again and this time Democrats betrayed us by throwing away hard-won gains.

    That to me is worse than politicians and big business selling out their own citizens for economic gain. Some of the people voted for the politicians who may now exchange their jobs for foreign workers, some who already live here.

    I read an article about the migration of economic sectors as host countries became richer. Textiles moved from the US to Japan and later Korea until they occupied poorer countries like India. Other industries followed textiles. Each was more financially intensive and required more technology than the business before it.

  76. That is interesting, Thor, though not sure how simple to implement with our city planners. The wife actually has grander designs for our gray water with her gardening addiction. All our soaps are homemade and organic, which makes the gray water more acceptable for plant or yard watering.

    My grandparents used to save the water they used in the sink and washer and carry it out of the basement to water plants in the yard. They lived through the depression and were extremely frugal. Everything that could be would be reused. Disposable meant nothing to them.

  77. I have a hard time accepting the outrage over the TPP and other FTA’s.

    Im not saying corporate greed isn’t harmful to people and the US economy but I also don’t believe the FTA’s are the sole cause of it.
    Some products can be manufactured in the USA and defeat the losses caused by energy,wages,taxes and other regulatory costs. For example Walmart is signing contracts across the USA with new mills that are producing hosiery. Basically labor and regulatory markets in the South (Carolinas specifically) plus energy costs plus new machinery is allowing for the USA to be an attractive option. Ford has also had an on / off success with certain models specifically the popular Fusion. Ford has been able to manufacture them in the USA at a rate that falls within an acceptable margin compared to its primary birthplace,Mexico.
    Canada has maintained its manufacturing segment in no small part due to its corporate tax rate being less and their Medicare program.

    On a side note TPP does not include China and is often seen as a weapon of sorts against China and a means to strengthen ties with countries in the Pacific.
    All that has passed is fast track which is all about negotiations. The US Senate can still vote against the treaty in the end. Constitutionally speaking fast track should apply to every type of treaty.

  78. “So Tigre, do I understand this correctly? The Canadian gay couple got the rings they wanted but are upset by the jewelers beliefs?”

    Yes, R. Like the pizza shop that never turned down serving gays that you think need to STFU when asked about there gay marriage beliefs.

    In shorthand:

    “Lesbian Couple Seeks Engagement Rings from Christian Jeweler.
    Jeweler, Being Canadian and Hence Nonconfrontational, Complies.
    Lesbian Couple Later Finds Out About His Horrid Views And Demands Their Money Back.

    And the mobs demanded that the Christian jeweler eat that loss, because Gross, and the jeweler was so threatened he ultimately complied.”

    And the lesbian coupe were pleased with the product and service and said they were treated respectfully.

    But there again, STFU. And “banned book requests” or “anti-Disney, gay bike bar Glenn Beck or whatever this guy is. . . ”

    And STFU, right R?

  79. @ Rutherford it is my understanding that the jeweler (jeweller in CA) has a history of posting signs in his shop based in his religious/personal beliefs. He readily accepted the custom ring order and took a deposit. People related to the lesbians saw the specific sign later on,before the lesbians picked up their rings and made final payments.
    They want a refund and release from the order. The jeweler has no intention of complying as of now and has been threatened and harassed by the tolerant class.
    This is a better case to be angered about since there was no denial of service. I guess being an intolerable douche one could give him a bad Yelp review and be done with it but the agenda will not allow for that.
    An even better case comes from England where a guy went to a bakery and was refused a cake order. The decidedly leftist media and the PC politicos painted this incident in every shade of bigotry they could and won £500. for the injured victim. The thing is though that the gay guy wasn’t getting married and therefore was not denied a gay wedding cake per se. He is just a piece of shit upset that he couldn’t get a political agenda cake. It fell under the bakery terms like you can’t readily get a “Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler” cake anywhere. The guy got his politics cake elsewhere and it was actually cut by a local pol who fanned the flames,a flamer himself btw.
    Its not an area unworthy of injecting common sense and protections on both sides!

  80. Jewelry store to refund engagement ring deposit to same-sex couple.

    http://news.yahoo.com/jewelry-store-refund-engagement-ring-083651446.html

    He said he was worried giving a refund, or taking the posters down, would send a message that it’s possible to bully people in Canada for expressing their beliefs. But Monday afternoon he sent an email to The Telegram saying they have decided to give the refund after all.

    http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2015-05-18/article-4150483/Jeweller-says-he-has-been-bullied,-threatened/1

  81. I have also read that higher wages and other expenses in other countries is making the US more competitive.

    The trade bill may benefit our economy, but if so, why can we not read the legislation? Elizabeth Warren, Joe Manchin, praised Bush for his transparency with passage of his free trade bill in 2001, as they spoke in favor of legislation favoring revealing contents of the bill.

    Orrin Hatch opposed their attempted legislation and he admitted that he also doesn’t know what is in the bill either. Unnecessary secrecy can’t be good. I suspect a dead rat.

    The gay fascists are merely one side of an ugly face meant to fragment opposition to progressivism.

    My parents also survived the dust bowl and Depression. We were also taught to recycle and to not to throw anything away. Thus, we still have our 1949 RCA Victor television in the basement and our Comodor 64 computer somewhere in the attic. My transister radio fell three stories when I was shingling eight years ago. Pieces were lying around. I put them back together and patched them with duct tape. It still runs, and our grand daughter sometimes plays with it.

  82. I get how people get caught up in the transparency stuff and it would be an ideal but what we’re getting away from is that the negotiation of ANY treaty is not an exercise in American Democracy.The fast track legislation specifically addresses two points of concern. One being the keeping congress critters free from district pressure and $$$ cats from points that are not even agreed upon. The second keeps the critters from seeking headlines via inserting themselves in the negotiations.
    Congress will have a set period of time to read,share and vote on the final product of the negotiations.

  83. I have already considered your points, Alfie. This time, I don’t even trust the legislators to read what they are voting on.

  84. Tigre your parallel is a bit off. The pizzeria owner did not have a gay patron come back and demand money back for a pizza they enjoyed.

    If the jeweler caught some public heat for his views, so be it. That’s the price of opening your mouth. But to catch heat from a satisfied customer – totally different and downright irrational.

    In fact the way it should have gone down was this:

    1) Jeweler makes rings for gay couple and they love it
    2) Jeweler expresses public distaste for gay marriage
    3) Jeweler catches holy hell from public
    4) Satisfied gay couple comes to jeweler’s DEFENSE.

  85. Attended a HS graduation today and heard a quote (attributed to Ben Franklin) that made me say DAAAMN!

    “Some people die at 25 and are buried at 75”.

  86. Not me, Rutherford. I heard quite a few of them had to cancel or did cancel. Had they been next door, I wouldn’t have wasted my time. Anybody but Hillary or Lizzie once again.

    Nah, I took my mom and sister out of town today to decorate the graves, ate lunch, had some good laughs. My sister is a good kid and a hot and the mother is a hoot.

    Today was my daughter’s bachelorette party hosted by her sister down in Houston. I didn’t realize these had become weekend affairs. One of the adventures was learning how to Pole Dance. 🙂 Hope to get some pictures (clothes on, I presume).

    Twice a year, I run Mom up the road about a 100 miles to check on my father’s grave and to upkeep the family plot of my grandparents. My fingers smell RoundUP. 😆 I’ve decided the way Round Up works is really to stink the green stuff to death.

  87. Rutherford, the you you fired must be stealing from you. Maybe he secretly knows Tex’s hoot sister.

  88. @ Rutherford TPP is a USA backed plan of a plan that the USA has blocked when it has been a Chinese plan and now the Chinese have a plan that is meant to block the USA….
    Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership with ties to AEAN and APEC involves most of the TPP nations. All in all this really is a pissing match in the Pacific Rim. Essentially what really needs to shake out of this is some type of spheric push. Something will break on this.

  89. “Tigre your parallel is a bit off. The pizzeria owner did not have a gay patron come back and demand money back for a pizza they enjoyed.”

    Irrelevant. Totally irrelevant distinction without a difference..

    They never refused service. Ever.

    There were no pizza receptions, accepted or refused.

    In their daily operations, any discrimination? Nope.

    They were punished for their thoughts. They opposed gay marriage.

    Apropos.

    Sad you refuse to see it.

  90. Actually they weren’t punished for their thought. They were “punished” for what they said.

    If you and are talking and I THINK about calling you an asshole, I must then weigh the risk of saying this out loud knowing you may punch me in the nose.

    Actually there is no valor in speaking ones mind if there is no risk in doing so. The first amendment protects free speech from gov punishment. It does not protect you from public reaction.

  91. “Actually they weren’t punished for their thought. They were “punished” for what they said.”

    Are you kidding me?

    Holy fuck.

  92. Hey Rutherford, I’m not calling for the government to ban the speech.

    Other than trying to defend and opinion you agree with, what are you talking about?

    Did someone here say there was no right to speak ones mind?

  93. Since 1986, more than 2,800 labor leaders and union members have been killed in Colombia. In recent years this South American nation has led the world in this grim statistic. And more than 9 out of 10 of these cases remain unsolved.
    Colombia’s failure to protect workers was a key reason for the five-year delay in U.S. congressional approval of a free trade agreement with it. It was finally approved in 2011. U.S. officials said Colombia had taken steps to protect workers.

    [But…]

    Unions, human rights activists and others say the abuses and dangers persist, and in some case have grown. As a result of attacks on unions and other pressures, the percentage of unionized workers in Colombia has dropped from 15 percent 20 years ago to about 4 percent today.Teachers have suffered along with others largely because they were seen as social activists and community organizers.

    http://pulitzercenter.org/projects/south-america-colombia-labor-union-human-rights-judicial-government-corruption-paramilitary-drug-violence-education

    Is there some reason we should believe Vietnam is a Shangri la of labor laws and worker suffrage? Because our government tells us so? The same government that told us everything was cool in Columbia?

    I don’t trust legislation that is written like a mad-lib. Sign here and fill in the blanks later. Like Obamacare, a giant cluster fuck storm.

  94. ET, your Hawks are in trouble. Looks like Cleveland vs. Oakland. The network execs have to be pulling their hair out. I kind of hate the NBA anyway, ever since the Oklahoma carpetbaggers kidnapped my Sonics. 🙂

    I don’t think “happy” Memorial Day sounds right. How about reverent Memorial Day to all.

  95. Dang…I just woke up from my recliner to find my town is washing away. How about 5″ inches of rain in a little over 3 hours? And another 3-4″ is expected today.

    Gulp. Wished I would have mowed the lawn yesterday instead of dicking around, around here. That’s on top of 9″ inches the last 15 days, helping to explain why I have been even more shiftless wasting time here than usual. 😈

  96. Good luck, Tex. The last time I checked the weather service extended outlook our area down to Texas should be wetter than normal. We had .30 this morning and last night which is you probably got in five minutes.

    I agree, thor.

    Shakira is one of Columbia’s best exports–a bomb shell who is nice.

    A somber Memorial Day to you all too.

  97. I’m a bit late to the party but here’s my two cents
    I think you have just seen the beginnings of Michelle’s loose tongue. I’m not sure Obama will be able to contain her.

  98. R your wife was over qualified for the job. Employers are wary of hiring over qualified people as they know they are always looking to move on. It also makes employers nervous to have someone superior underneath them. They have to put everyone through the wringer to avoid “discrimination”. How is your wife in the field of marketing? BTW Fancy bags are the latest rage.

  99. Rutherford were they “punished” appropriately,properly and proportionately????
    I for one think your answer to that could offer the fodder for ET and I coming to Naperville.

  100. @thor it really isn’t the domain of FTA’s to dictate domestic policy. Most of the opposition of the Colombia agreement were (D)’s thinking they were helping their union friends and paying lip service to international labor.
    The TPP is nothing like ACA or more so Dodd-Frank. It will be precise and complete upon being tendered for signatures and ascension.
    As for your question about Vietnam which could easily be applied to other parties of the TPP….No there is no reason to believe there will be any significant changes to their domestic policies. Vietnam will have low wages,Brunei will have Sharia and ANZAC will have their right left swings every 3-4 years.

  101. et tu Raji?
    I guess I need to find the transcript you all read because the one I read just doesn’t rise to the level of being worthy of the comments here or the posts thesis.

  102. In Colombia it’s safer to form a guerrilla group or a criminal band than a labor union.

    That sums up Colombia pre and post FTA’s

  103. Two years ago, I based a short Memorial Day speech on this song. Then we fired our rifles in salute. Several men told me later
    “I never thought of it before. Will anyone remember me?” No.

  104. Did someone here say there was no right to speak ones mind?

    That’s funny. I thought you were very upset over the liberal population’s reaction to the pizzeria comments.

  105. As to Shakira, I second that emotion. I’ve got a major crush there. Not only a knockout and nice but smart. English as a second language and her vocabulary is arguably better than mine.

  106. I think you have just seen the beginnings of Michelle’s loose tongue. I’m not sure Obama will be able to contain her.

    They both have a lame duck “fuck this” attitude which much of the time delights me but on occasion (like this time) backfires.

  107. They both have a lame duck “fuck this” attitude which much of the time delights me but on occasion (like this time) backfires.

    Ironically, you and I enjoy the same attitude for different reasons, delighting us both. Both of are rooting they actually increase the volume and the spectacle.

    Like 95% of blacks, there is still a large part of you that believes in mass white racism and white privilege – this is the remaining remnant of your “blackness” as you were clearly taught as excuse and victim. 🙂

    Me? I love it when both the Obamas demonstrate how utterly classless, tactless, clueless, and racist they really are. I love to stick to phony white Lefties about how wrong they were about Obama and his nasty, angry wife most definitely not being “we are not the ones we had all waited for” but among history’s most notorious lightweight charlatans.

    That will be this miserable couple’s legacy. 😈 YELL A LITTLE, SHELLY!

  108. Raji, my wife is an IT wonk with a side interest in project management. The bag business was the result of her teaming up with a friend who also got laid off. By Shark Tank standards the business has not yet left the realm of hobby.

  109. I for one think your answer to that could offer the fodder for ET and I coming to Naperville.

    LOL. No, of course the outcry, particularly death threats which I believe the pizza owners got, was disproportionate.

    We live in very sick times with decreasing inhibitions.

    Btw, feel free to drop by anytime. Just give me time to clean up. Wouldn’t want to gross out Tigre. 😊

  110. Alfie, to be clear, the speech for the most part was inoffensive boilerplate. This is the specific passage with which I have a problem. I probably should have quoted it within the essay itself.

    Instead they will make assumptions about who they think you are based on their limited notion of the world. And my husband and I know how frustrating that experience can be. We’ve both felt the sting of those daily slights throughout our entire lives — the folks who crossed the street in fear of their safety; the clerks who kept a close eye on us in all those department stores; the people at formal events who assumed we were the “help” — and those who have questioned our intelligence, our honesty, even our love of this country.

    Who are all these bad people? White people. Not cool. And it would not be tolerated, as I said before, had Laura Bush recounted her problems with blacks.

  111. Now Alfie, with that said, I do think as usual that Tex goes off the deep end. I neither hate Michelle Obama nor consider her evil.

    I don’t think she understands that her current position DEMANDS that she transcend race. Her husband understands this better Although he has slipped from time to time.

  112. “I never thought of it before. Will anyone remember me?” No.

    Few will remember any of us. It’s called being ordinary.

    I am a co-inventor on a U.S. Patent. So long as the USA and the patent office stay intact, I have achieved immortality. 😊

  113. “That’s funny. I thought you were very upset over the liberal population’s reaction to the pizzeria comments.”

    I was.

    Focus.

  114. I think I was pretty clear in prior threads that there must be some proper legal resolution that deters/prevents refusal to serve with proportionate punishment. My understanding of Canada was there was no refusal to serve. Case closed. Who gives a damn what they think OR say? If folks want to argue with their stance, that’s the public square not the legal system. When that argument crosses the law (I.e. death threats) it’s gone too far.

  115. I neither hate Michelle Obama nor consider her evil. Tex there is a difference between saying that racism is no excuse for failure and saying it does not exist.

    I don’t think I implied you ever said you hated or thought evil Michelle Obama. In fact, I came a lot closer to calling you a Shelly lemming. Focus. And I don’t think I insinuated there wasn’t racism in all forms either.

    It’s just that you and I have a Pacific Ocean wide gulf in the suggestion of who is “most” racist. 😛

    Burn this bitch down! Oops…

    By the way, no comment on the Democratic Party’s idea of Memorial Day? Happy and Ice Cream? Cult like. Hopefully, you’re not so shallow (don’t think you are) to understand why America’s bravest and finest for the most part would hold your beholden party in contempt, though.

  116. For the most part YES. FTAs don’t level the playing field they primarily let everyone play by a set of rules. These rules don’t require say Vietnam to have US wages.

  117. Re: Memorial Day: I’m guessing most folks find this interchangeable with Veteran’s Day which of course it isn’t.

    I think Memorial Day should spend less time mourning the dead and more time mourning the human condition that makes countries resort to violence. As some have said here, war is ALWAYS failure. It is a failure in our finding appropriate means to resolve our differences.

  118. Tex I hate to break it to you but for the VAST majority of Conservatives and Democrats, Memorial Day is the unofficial start of summer and folks CELEBRATE. Most folks across the political spectrum give only a side thought to the war dead.

    How to combat that? I don’t know.

  119. “My understanding of Canada was there was no refusal to serve. Case closed.”

    Since there were no pizza receptions, just a hypothetical question to the owner’s daughter, it looks like you’ve finally caught on. There is no fucking difference. Both punished for their views, not their actions.

    As for “what they say and what they think” being some kind of distinction (in fact both “said” something and paid he price), a dumb distinction without a difference. Case closed.

    I honestly don’t understand why you are arguing against what I said — other than the realization that your take on the IN pizza shop was jackassian.

  120. Tex I hate to break it to you but for the VAST majority of Conservatives and Democrats, Memorial Day is the unofficial start of summer and folks CELEBRATE

    Now exactly how would you know that, wise sage? I venture you personally know three Conservatives in your entire realm. 😈

  121. “Tex I hate to break it to you but for the VAST majority of Conservatives and Democrats, Memorial Day is the unofficial start of summer and folks CELEBRATE.”

    R, I hate to break it to you, Obama is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. All the other ice cream eating mother fuckers are not.

    Dignity in office for fuck’s sake.

  122. Once again, Rutherford, I agree with your enterpretation of the first lady.

    Part of me will live on in the Smithsonian Institute, the University of Northern Florida, and the Duram Museum in Omaha.

    I believe Shakira dropped off the Voice to spend more time with her baby.

    I was taught Memorial Day is for the dead and Veterans Day is for the living.

  123. Already do my friend.

    It may appear in a reported case someday to be enshrined in the SCOTUS library.

  124. I was taught Memorial Day is for the dead and Veterans Day is for the living.

    Exactly. I bet you $100 the average American can’t tell you the difference. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard folks mourning the war dead on Veteran’s Day.

  125. Yes Shakira left the Voice to do childcare. I hope she returns. I adore her. Of the female judges my favs in order have been Shakira, Gwen Stefani and Christina.

    I wish that old dog Cee Lo would come back but his drug-fuck allegations made him toxic.

  126. Ok so would you agree the gays in most if not all the cases cited here responded intolerably and disproportionately- Alfie

    Oh I definitely agree, Alfie. Your statement could also exchange the word “black” instead of “gay” or any minority members that want to aggravate a situation.

    Re: Et tu Raji. It is so apparent that Michelle has a chip on her shoulder regarding race. She did not embrace the opportunity to rise above the race issue nor should she if she has strong feelings about the black community but her behavior as FLOTUS doesn’t sit well with the general populace.
    Rutherford I think she understands her position quite well just doesn’t accept the demands.

  127. A picture of adoring media people taking pictures of the narcissistic fuck eating ice cream.

    I can’t let it go. I fucking hate this shit and all that it represents.

  128. You DO realize Tex already posted that? I guess you’re rubbing it in?

    As someone else suggested earlier in the thread, his position as CiC makes the pic less appropriate.

    But again, let me repeat, our culture DOES send a mixed message about Memorial Day. If you or Tex are really trying to tell me your neighbors are indoors tomorrow weeping with flags at half mast and NOT outside firing up the grill then you really do think me the fool.

  129. Yes. I was the one that said he was CiC too.

    “If you or Tex are really trying to tell me your neighbors are indoors tomorrow weeping with flags at half mast and NOT outside firing up the grill then you really do think me the fool.”

    Is that what we’re saying Rutherford? Really.

  130. The only thing more douchie than the picture itself is the douchieness of trying to claim it’s not douchie.

  131. It seems to me you’re contesting the dual nature of the holiday and the benefit of the doubt that the Obama photo simply reflects this ambiguity. Why must everything Obama have ill intent?

    Don’t need to watch all 15 mins but Obama does this too:

  132. “It seems to me you’re contesting the dual nature of the holiday and the benefit of the doubt that the Obama photo simply reflects this ambiguity.”

    Jesus fuck.

    No. No, I’m doing nothing of the sort.

    Do have any idea how childish your defense of this and style of debate are?

    This is not a “benefit of the doubt” problem. The self-aggrandizing unaware narcissistic fuckwad has a picture of adoring media TAKING FUKING PICTURES OF HIM GOBBLING ICE CREAM. This is simple imagery.

    Since you can’t handle criticism of your black Jesus from someone on the right, go Google yourself some of the reaction on the left. I won’t do it for you because when you’re locked into the kiddie debate mode the source itself becomes the next object of your “clever” retort. I know this will be really, really hard, but see if you can skim past whatever dumbfuck confirms your Obama dick-sucking views to see if maybe this unbelievably OBVIOUS issue might have been reluctantly spotted by other Obama dick-suckers.

    This is typical Obama and your reaction typical drone.

  133. Our country does have a dual vision of Memorial Day. I’m sure the people who conceived the ice cream celebration thought it resonated with most people. They meant no harm. Obama’s ice cream cone and his audience illustrates that many people are too ignorant, stupid, and self absorbed to understand much of substance.

    Its why I posted the two videos earlier as an antidote to the vacant souls the ice cream message was intended for..

  134. To fully understand this next piece of King Obama worship, on must consider the dual nature of man, the competing aspects of the subject’s psyche, the fragile nature of society, what it means to celebrate rather than “observe” as a method of association, and anti-Disney gay biker bars . . . 🙄

  135. The Right Wing Nuts are off the rails this weekend!
    Of course it will be said that the tweets at @democrats that followed the ice cream pic are ass coverings but the timeline is credible that there was a planned message set over the weekend.They include more traditional honoring themed tweets most recently as well as a pic of President Johnson doing the BBQ weekend thang.
    @GOP has no Memorial Day weekend tweets and I saw only one tweet regards the Day itself ,a solemn pic of a Reagan quote.
    The POTUS schedule for the weekend had him involved in no “public events” on Saturday and Sunday but today he is fully booked officially recognizing the Day with items such as a private breakfast with Gold Star parents and the wreath laying at Arlington.
    The evolution of reality once again displays how totally ignorant right wing nuts are and how little they think of the intelligence of those who follow them.
    The GOP twitter timeline btw is actually very good maintaining its focus of HRC and 2016 in the 140 character max set. Social media and sound bite blogging is not official policy of anyone. The sheeple would do well to think beyond blurbs and bytes in an effort to transcend the ignorance and truly better this nation.

  136. Alfie, You’re still believing you can pick the turd up at the clean end?

    What must you think of me if I tell you without doubt or hesitation that what has become of the Democratic Party is 100 times more dangerous to the well being of the nation than any militant jihadi types? 🙂

  137. Crime is rising in Baltimore, and some law enforcement experts suspect an anti-cop climate stemming from the racially charged case of Freddie Gray is at least partly responsible.

    “It’s extremely frustrating,” Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Thursday. “It is disheartening, but I am still resolved to continue to reduce violent crime in our city.”

    Clearly that’s going swimmingly…

  138. Ah!! Segregation! Forced segregation at that. For $43K a year too. I know how to do it cheaper.

    So the 40 year experiment has finally come full circle. Now Leftists will never admit to all, and I do mean all, social experiments have always been unmitigated disasters. That no matter how much money you push against human nature, nature always wins.

    Like Baltimore and the cops with the predictable crime rising, here’s another spot on prediction that’s really no prediction at all. There’s one group that will substantially benefit from the segregation and one who will precipitously drop. 😈

    Wonder if there will ever be any personal reflection or admittance that dropping the word racist at every nuance was self-defeating? I’m guessing like the social experiments and their failures, probably not.

  139. “The evolution of reality once again displays how totally ignorant right wing nuts are and how little they think of the intelligence of those who follow them.”

    Why should people assume intelligence where none is displayed?

    Obama is indeed a narcissistic fuck. But a picture showing him enjoying the same freedoms we all enjoy this weekend does not display it. Its called Memorial DAY, for fuck’s sake–not Memorial WEEKEND.

    Get a grip, folks. You’re outrage is becoming as reactionary as the left you claim to hate.

  140. The third grade segregation is indeed fucked up.

    BUT … are you telling me the 4th grader who saluted Jackie Robinson in blackface didn’t get help from his parents who should have known better? Believe me I find this micro-aggression pure foolishness especially when applied to children too young to navigate social subtleties. But any parent who lets his kid do a presentation in blackface is either an outright asshole or astonishingly tone deaf.

    Also age matters. If the kid were 6, not ten, I’d be more sympathetic.

  141. G, regarding Baltimore, don’t you think as I do that the cops are deliberately sitting on their hands? Basically saying fuck this, let them kill each other.

  142. You don’t like cops, fine, good luck with that.

    LOL That is certainly one way to look at it but surely you agree it doesn’t achieve the best outcome.

  143. Contain the city and drop off ammo. Let the problems “fix” themselves, then go in and ask if they’d like to respoect the law once again and see the response. Repeat until someone gets a clue…or they’re all dead… I’m fine, either way…

  144. “But a picture showing him enjoying the same freedoms we all enjoy this weekend does not display it.”

    Preening in front of a swooning media as CiC to create a self-serving propaganda pic is not a freedom that I enjoy.

    However, criticizing the imagery and purpose is.

  145. Let it be know though that I do intend to exercise another freedom we all enjoy: drinking beer.

    I think the dem party broadcasting a pic of Obama with a beer in hand might capture the spirit.

  146. Huck, I would be curious to ask what makes you believe you’re at the top of the pyramid when it comes to intellect, and what on this green earth would make you believe you talented enough to determine?

    To the best of my knowledge, the best posts you have left here have been links and cut and pastes, ‘cept one where I found much the same language from an article you had obviously modified.

    You don’t seem particularly insightful or gifted. What exactly is this profound gift you bring to the board? Is it you acting as apologist for the failures of Islam and the U.N.?

    One small example. In the more difficult and complex subjects I’ve never seen your gifts demonstrated.

    Your mathematical skills are nil, your economic skills null and void, your political insights ordinary. Poolman can make the same claims.

    Exactly what is it that has earned you this profound arrogance since you got a degree? Are you so naive to believe higher education is the highest calling. Or do I need to remind you about half of the college graduates today can’t find employment in the profession of choice.

    Let me be the first to burst that balloon head of yours….

    http://diverseeducation.com/article/73116/

    😛

  147. Obama said this Memorial Day is special because it is the first time in 13 years that we are not fighting a major war. He should have stuck with the ice cream picture.

    I am not outraged. I am disdainful. Outrage is a waste of time and energy. I figured these people out years ago. They don’t like our military.

    We just returned from visiting dead people and eating out. My brother and his wife were with us. Our leaders will be gone some day. I hope their replacements are better people.

  148. Better to be an ignorant right wing nut than what the left provides.
    Salon has an article “National Security Means less Money More for Education and Health Care” We can win hearts and minds by being a good example and by improving our infrastructure and
    living standards. They have never heard of fruit right for the picking.

    I’m so ignorant and nutty I scare myself.

    We are now in a thunderstorm watch. Time to spray and mow weeds before rain developes here.

  149. “Huck, I would be curious to ask what makes you believe you’re at the top of the pyramid when it comes to intellect, and what on this green earth would make you believe you talented enough to determine?”

    I would be curious to ask when I ever claimed to be. Like ET said, we calls em like we sees em, and criticizing your dumbassery is a right I thoroughly enjoy. I’d say sorry if that hurts your feelings—but I’m not.

    “To the best of my knowledge, the best posts you have left here have been links and cut and pastes, ‘cept one where I found much the same language from an article you had obviously modified.”

    Then the best of your knowledge is severely lacking. Big shocker.

    “You don’t seem particularly insightful or gifted. What exactly is this profound gift you bring to the board? Is it you acting as apologist for the failures of Islam and the U.N.?”

    I bring my opinion and experience, same as you and everyone else here. Anyone can choose to take them or leave them, and I don’t particularly care which option is chosen.

    I notice you don’t have jack shit to say about what I posted other than trying to elevate yourself by knocking me down. All those words and not a single one actually addressing the topic. Boy, you sure brought a lot to the party, didn’t you?

    The fact is, Obama was at Arlington today, doing what he was supposed to do. Getting outraged over a fucking ice cream, while the RNC is tweeting out #memday sales on shirts and mugs is stupid.

  150. Yeah. Time to celebrate. That should’ve called it a “Happy Memorial Day Weekend Sale!”

    Happy.

    If that’s all the GOP offered, fuck them too.

    Since that was the selected contrived piece of shit propaganda image put out by the dems, it might make one wonder what it was designed to suggest. What a regular guy Obama is? The focus being the hero-worshipping media standing like adoring teenage girls catching a glimpse of Justin Bieber really brings it home. He staged it, they selected it and broadcast it with their message.

    Maybe a little Michelle with a little duck face #bringbackourdeadsoldiers would’ve been a nice touch.

    That’s stupid image is embarrassing and deserves the scorn it is receiving, especially those that aren’t “ignorant right wing nuts” and thought it was tasteless.

    But Johnson had a photo of loading his plate with barbecue. Apprently it too was tweeted out with the message “Happy Memorial Day Weekend.”

  151. Memorial Day…
    A day that should be far more important than it is but one that is undeniably degraded by friend and foe alike.
    I spent the weekend reflecting on the friends and family members I know that earned the flag by their headstone but readily concede it was not the majority of how I spent the weekend.I also reviewed some personal photos of Arlington and the Korean War Memorial. I did not head to Bourne where three plots are occupied by folks I know and I readily confess that was due in no small part to the traffic that flows to and around the Cape beginning Memorial Day Weekend.
    The primary focus of my weekend was the yard and an Eagle Scout ceremony.
    I don’t understand the wrath visited upon the President who is the de facto head of his party being photographed by the press while enjoying an ice cream and having that Party releasing it as a Memorial Day Weekend (aka start of summer) thing. I don’t get the vibe it was meant as look at me,love me moment. I find the vitriol irrational.
    I find politicians and pundits alike on both the Left and the Right to be vile in their faux solemnness. I sincerely doubt any of them truly care about the men who died in places whether it was Argonne, Bastogne, Bataan,Chosin,Hue,Fallujah or Kandahar. I find all these people equally guilty of enjoying the freedoms and security others provided all while either outright demeaning the sacrifices or highlighting them as something they contributed to.
    I know one thing for sure and that is that Memorial Day is only going to get worse in the future. Whether it is how people lie to serve their agendas,commercialism floods it further into impurity or apathy, the gardens of stone will ultimately be as silent and ignored in May as they are in February,March,August…

  152. Alfie,

    We’re no longer a nation that knows or appreciates sacrifice. Our poor eat out, have flat screen TVs and buy designer shoes and handbags. Hard work is something reminisced by old folks. No one is accountable, and everyone is a victim. Our society can not truly appreciate or relate to real sacrifice anymore.

    Does Obama’s cheapening of the day bother me? Of course, but I expect no less from him or his party. Commercialism overwhelmed the weekend years ago-no surprise that EVERYONE looks at it from a money perspective anymore. It’s like Thanksgiving, a lot less thanks and a whole lot more sell, sell, sell…

    We could use some leadership from the Administration on changing the culture of how we, as a nation, appreciate the sacrifice of our fallen. The problem is Obama neither appreciates the dead or the living forces we have. To expect otherwise is foolish. 2017 cannot come soon enough.

  153. All I can say is Huck and Alfie haven’t won anything other than your affections.

    Yeah Obama.

    Ignorant right wing nuts put in their places by Alfie and Huck.

    I’ll pass that along to people that count and get the vibe it was meant as look at me, love me moment because it quite obviously was.

  154. To expect otherwise is foolish. 2017 cannot come soon enough.

    It is you who’s foolish on this. 2017 will change nothing. This weekend has been “the unofficial start of summer” as long as I can remember through GOP and DEM admins. It will always be thus. You picked the wrong high horse to jump on this time. For once, just admit it and move on.

  155. Tigre, you don’t like Obama as a person. We get it. He’s an egotistical asshole. Huck feels the same way. I’m pretty sure Alfie doesn’t want a beer with him either. That doesn’t change the fact that we’ve got photos of him doing what’s expected this weekend: having a bit of light hearted fun AND honoring the dead. It’s in keeping (I say AGAIN) with the dual nature of the holiday.

    You picked the wrong horse. You’re better off sticking to the story that his ego got us in this Iraq mess, has us at a disadvantage with Russia, hurt our relationship with Israel. Those resonate with loads of people.

    He ate an ice cream cone during a photo op? Not so much.

  156. I’m sorry, what high horse did I pick?

    I think you have a selective memory, but my point wasn’t about the past, it was about the future. 2017 brings an opportunity to recapture an appreciation for sacrifice, regardless of party. While I have zero faith that a Dem will bring about that appreciation, I’m likewise less than expecting for the GOP, though I do believe that IF it were to happen, it’ll come from the GOP before it ever comes from a Dem.

  157. I would be curious to ask when I ever claimed to be. Like ET said, we calls em like we sees em, and criticizing your dumbassery is a right I thoroughly enjoy. I’d say sorry if that hurts your feelings—but I’m not.

    You need to try harder, Starbuck. The only thing you hurt is my eyes trying to decipher the shit you type because you’re too elementary to make it legible. You want to convince me you’re anything but a fat flea? Here’s a challenge. Learn something about indentation.

    Then the best of your knowledge is severely lacking. Big shocker.

    I don’t think it’s my knowledge but your severe delusions that are in question here.

    Let’s review. You said, “Why should people assume intelligence where none is displayed?”

    Your answer insinuates that you have some intelligence the room (or me) doesn’t have. Where? What? When? I mean, you just graduated from college in your what, 40s? With what? Most would consider that the stuff of barista, libbie arts stuff ranking with Womyn’s Studies or African-American studies qualifying you to be substitute, substitute teacher. Worse, you mastered in it doubling up on the waste. I figure at that rate, you’ll be ready when you’re reincarnated for Beginning Algebra next go around. And I would be curious to how you believe this makes you anything but about 20 years behind the curve?

    Are you familiar with the statistical term standard deviation, giant? Would appear from here unless there is something I’m missing from you, that would place you about placed about 2 standard deviations to the Left. And if memory serves, with 95% confidence I can safely state that makes you an utter moron. On top of that, you’re as humorous as the Bubonic plague.

    So I ask again. What particular talent to bring to the board that would make you so cocky? As a curiosity, did you reevaluate or explain how you concluded to Rutherford that Muslims don’t like Obama when 92% of them voted for him?

    I notice you don’t have jack shit to say about what I posted other than trying to elevate yourself by knocking me down.

    What do you want me to say? That I think you’re the apogee of deep thought? Top of the food chain? Par excellence? That your school mascot Rutherford, the anvil headed weevil, is rooting you on thereby evidence to your talents?

    I’ll ask you again. What is your particular field of expertise that allows you such insight? Is it that your a Mussie? A Dhimmi? A U.N. lackey? What?

    I’ve got an idea for you for a job. You need to apply at BU, where they just hired that ignorant black female sociology racist. You’d fit right in as apologist talking about the evils of right-wing, white male privilege. 😀

  158. As a curiosity, did you reevaluate or explain how you concluded to Rutherford that Muslims don’t like Obama when 92% of them voted for him?

    I didn’t know the Sunni and Shia of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Egypt voted in our elections. 😊

  159. Maybe you should reflect a bit more on why your party won’t. Unlike you, at least I hold my politicians accountable. You might call it feeble, but I don’t make excuses or carry their water. You do both. If I was you, I’d spend a lot more time looking at the mirror and try to figure out who and what you are. You’ve been lost for a while now. My father always told me that it takes three things to be lost: don’t know where you’ve been, don’t know where you are, and you don’t know where you’re going. Do you think you could honestly answer those questions?

  160. He ate an ice cream cone during a photo op? Not so much.

    Refresh my memory? Weren’t you the guy that told us the IRS, ISIS and Benghazi were big nothin’ burgers too? Or we need single payer and not Obamacare about time veterans receiving VA care were dropping like flies?

    If you’re right, why are the Soros hatemongers on the prowl trying to explain it away then? I guess you geniuses aren’t aware of the backlash, hey? 🙂

  161. I didn’t know the Sunni and Shia of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Egypt voted in our elections.

    I have found you such a prevaricator plus neutronium dense in the past, that answer might actually be in real seriousness. One never knows from you. Just when I think your level of detachment has peaked, you reach back and find new lows.

    I take it that is your sense of humor?

  162. I’m not sure what you’re seeking there, Alfie. I saw the changing of the guard at Floral Havens to honor the Vets which we do every year, and took my mother to this, which we had tickets but couldn’t get on the course itself because of the flooding:

    https://www.foldsofhonor.org/get-involved/patriot-cup-invitational

    Now I’m not a Vet mind you. But isn’t Memorial Day in remembrance of those who have fallen?

    Oh! And said hi to Bob Stoops in the parking lot, in the spirit of the day not telling him I thought he was an overrated football coach. 🙂

  163. I suppose this one will be excused away by the brilliant Starbuck Huck too:

    At today’s Arlington National Cemetery Memorial Day observance, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said “troops of such caliber demand great leaders, and there’s no doubt they have one in our commander in chief.”

    “I see that every day,” continued Carter, who assumed his post in February. “He knows well the challenges we must face, the obligations we must meet, and the opportunities we must seize in order to keep our nation safe and to make a better world for our children. And I see that he cares deeply about the safety, welfare, and dignity of our men and women in uniform and their families.”

    “For all that, and so much more, I am tremendously proud to serve as his secretary of Defense,” he added.

    Carter named Fallujah among the battles that left “a legacy that has made our military the finest fighting force the world has ever known.”

    A decade ago in the first and second battles of Fallujah, 134 coalition soldiers lost their lives. The city fell to ISIS in February 2014, and nearby Ramadi fell this month.

    “On a day set aside for Americans to honor and remember those who perished while serving our country, our obligation and our opportunity are one and the same. Our obligation is to give voice to the fallen, honor them, and share their stories of sacrifice and heroism,” Carter said. “Our opportunity is to use this day to inspire new generations to understand the freedom they have been given, to grasp how and why it is theirs, and to dedicate themselves to pass it on to generations unborn.”

  164. No high horse at all you Obama pole smoker.

    The picture speaks for itself. It’s not even just a picture of him with an ice cream. Claiming it not to be self-aggrandizing is ludicrous.

    Like the “shout outs” after Fort Hood, taking credit for the military successes like the surge he opposed in Iraq, skipping funerals of the high-ranking officers to play golf, denying veterans access to the WWII Memorial in Washington over a staged government shutdown, posing for selfies at Nelson Mandela’s service. . . .it’s typical Obama, and you are his typical defender. There are plenty of folks that consider the photo tasteless that aren’t “ignorant right wing nuts” and filled with “vitriol.” Some from the left that actually support Obama. People that see it for what it is.

    You on the other hand care nothing of presidential dignity and of course will find no fault. You don’t care.

    I wish for better and know we can have it.

    And that’s what separates us.

    I shall go back to giving less of a fuck than you think because I’ve come to expect no better from this administration.

  165. My father served in the navy in WWII. He was a democrat. My best friend growing up had two older brothers in Vietnam. One lost his faith there. The other lost his life (although it took another 20 years of heavy drinking to physically kill him). Their family was mostly Republicans. A friend of mine lost her first and only son in November 2003 in Iraq. I don’t think she even votes. She certainly is not a member of either party. All of these people are remembered by their friends, families and peers in different ways. Neither “side” has a monopoly on honoring or dishonoring sacrifice.

    I try to thank and honor the folks that have served without patronizing them, knowing always that only they can understand the true depth of their sacrifices.

    Hemingway’s take – “I was always embarrassed by the words sacred, glorious and sacrifice and the expression in vain. … I had seen nothing sacred, and the things that were glorious had no glory and the sacrifices were like the stockyards at Chicago if nothing was done with the meat except to bury it. There were many words that you could not stand to hear and finally only the names of places had dignity. Certain numbers were the same way and certain dates and these with the names of the places were all you could say and have them mean anything. Abstract words such as glory, honor courage or hallow were obscene beside the concrete names of villages, the numbers of roads, the names of rivers, the numbers of regiments and the dates.

    from A Farewell to Arms

  166. Tex, I can tell you’re pissed tonight, but some of your comments have really made me laugh on an evening when I didn’t think I had that in me. I especially liked “neutronium dense” (Sorry R, but that was funny) Reminds me of a time when I was told I possessed the depth of a singularity. 🙂

  167. Neither “side” has a monopoly on honoring or dishonoring sacrifice.

    Obama’s 15% approval rating with the actively serving military doesn’t say much for a CiC, does it?

    A competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops, while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops. – John J. Pershing

  168. Pissed? For what? From the insecure Huck? The barista is so empty and dull, it’s hard to pick apart something or sharpen my knife. It’s like debating with navel lent.

    And if it is Rutherford the Anvil headed weevil mascot, I’m used to the declaration of victories. Like life, Rutherford needs the support. 🙂

    The only time I have ever left this board pissed was in 2012 – during the election.

  169. .” Its called Memorial DAY, for fuck’s sake–not Memorial WEEKEND.”

    ‘Well said, Huck.

    “Preening in front of a swooning media as CiC to create a self-serving propaganda pic is not a freedom that I enjoy”-ET

    No but Kim Kardashi does.

    What Alfie said 5/25 @11:57

    R you should be applauded for giving Tex a forum to exercise his eloquence

  170. “Its called Memorial DAY, for fuck’s sake–not Memorial WEEKEND.”

    The caption says “Happy Memorial Day Weekend.” Which is it?

    Curiosity Raji since you are of a prior generation. Do you recall prior presidents self-aggrandizing photo blasts like Obama on Memorial Day Weekend? I can’t find any (other than the less than equivalent Johnson pick), and suspect there’s a reason. Not Fourth of July. Memorial Day. Got any clues?

    “No but Kim Kardashi does.”

    Yes. So does Justin Bieber. And they exercise that right with the same decorum as Obama.

    And that’s sad.

  171. Thanks El Tigre.

    I’ve mentioned the event before because it did it for me. I was on my way to home and to civilian life after being out of the country for two years. A flight attendant who knew someone I knew and who’s uncle worked in the jewelry store where my wife and I bought our wedding rings, spent hours visiting. She moved me up to first class so we could talk in her down time. Our voices carried farther than we knew.

    As I stood to leave the plane, she wished me luck and gave me a Disneyland balloon, Then, all of the passengers gave me a standing ovation. I was so overwhelmed, I don’t remember what happened later. I hope I acknowledged them.

    I still see her face and her shoulder length hair. Her eyes sparkled when she described her job and the places she had seen during her six months of employment. Years later, I hatched the irrational scheme to find her and to thank her for her kindness. I did find her around 2005. She had died of cancer in 1977. Her friend said her ambition was to see the world, and she did.

    I had the best parade imaginable. it isn’t fair. Soldiers who did much more than I were treated like manure. I’m still glad they gave me my own parade.

  172. Well I’m done with the silliness. ET you’re an angry little man who sees what he wants to see. You’re disingenuous and snippy.
    Bush I bagged 3 out of 4 of his Memorial Day duties because he was doing the summer vacay thing in K-Port. Reagan missed four but two of those were for seriously legit reasons.Clinton missed zero and Obama 1 but catching an ice cream OMFG that is a great sin.
    You keep harping on it so yeah….ignorant lying right wing nuts have latched onto the ice cream photo op with the energy and tenacity of a rabid dog and all they’ve done is shown how silly they are.The RNC twitter feed was just as pathetic in regards to “honoring” the fallen with falling prices on merchandise.

  173. I saw one of those fields of honor thing and thought “Wow that is an awesome and powerful display,why don’t more cities and towns do it”?
    Well sadly the reason is that the thing is freaking trademarked by a private company and when a community buys in there is a 50 mile radius exclusion from where other displays can be put up using that company.
    Now beside the fact that its pretty fucked up that municipalities/Americans have had to source out the act of civic duty of getting flags and placing them in a field I find it disgusting that those same municipalities so throughly agree that remembrance should exist in a limited franchise manner.

  174. Weren’t you the guy that told us the IRS, ISIS and Benghazi were big nothin’ burgers too?

    Yup, Benghazi, IRS, ISIL and ice cream cone. Yeah you’ve got me Tex.

  175. I have found you such a prevaricator plus neutronium dense in the past, that answer might actually be in real seriousness.

    It was an attempt to remind you that Huck wasn’t talking about American Muslims when he said Muslims don’t support Obama. But you knew that already, didn’t you?

  176. “Well I’m done with the silliness. ET you’re an angry little man who sees what he wants to see. You’re disingenuous and snippy.”

    Well, at least you addressed me directly this time.

    Snippy, sure. “Disingenuous” and “lying,” no.

    I see what many others see. My impressions are what they are. It is you that has expanded the scale of the observation far beyond an Obama eye roll to smug lectures and accusations of “ignorance, disingenuousness, lying, nut job, blah, blah, and blah.”

    Suffice it to say that I too am done with the silliness — and your lecturing arrogance. Perhaps one day you will understand why so few of your points are engaged by anyone here or on your own blog.

  177. R you should be applauded for giving Tex a forum to exercise his eloquence.

    Thanks Raji. I have no illusions. Without me Tex would just go to Tulsa World and attack Graychin. Tex will always find a venue for “expression”.

  178. Hope everyone had a good weekend, no matter how you spent it. None of our holidays are holy. They have all become photo ops and marketing opportunities. This is America after all, and consumerism is our national religion. Capitalism über alles, comrades!

    It is silly at best for the GOP to debate a picture of the president eating ice cream when at the same time most republicans voted to extend the unpatriotic Patriot Act. It was democrats and Rand Paul that voted the right way here. Heck, we’d have pictures of the president taking a dump if the press were allowed to follow him into the head. That is what the press does, moving from photo op to photo op.

    Reflection can be good, but more often we sugarcoat the past. That is one reason we are unable to lift ourselves out of the trap of repeating our mistakes.

    War is primarily used to promote capitalist interests, though you will never officially be told that.

    Most of the death and destruction resulting from war are not sacrifices for freedom, rather for business.

  179. ET my earlier comments about wing nuts were not aimed at you but at the wider base of chatteratti like iowahawk,powerline,breitbert and malkin. I named you specifically later only to address your delusions that you were flogging. Conservatives will not win armed with delusions buddy.
    As for why I comment here and what I get out of it. I always felt for the most part that I engaged Rutherford mostly with the occasional detour to pool man. I deal with Rutherford since we’ve “known” each other since 2007. I recognize there are distinct differences between the thread regulars. That is something that always made me wonder how the liberal drive by’s failed to see in calling us all some kind of right wing circle jerk.
    I’m worried that truth & reality is somehow arrogant lecturing to you though. That reaches the realm of schizophrenia man,you might want to get that checked out. Later!

  180. “I’m worried that truth & reality is somehow arrogant lecturing to you though.”

    You don’t say.

    See ya.

  181. What kind of world do you live in Alfie? We have no outsourcing of patriotic acts here. Volunteers decorate the cemeteries and put up flags stars, etc. The American Legion and other organizations donate their time for programs and fire their weapons in salute at these programs and at funerals.

    As I write an Omaha radio station is broadcasting the funeral of the police officer who a man killed last week. Her premature daughter had been in the hospital for three months and the police officer was to take maternity leave the day after she died. Most of the black community is mourning her death too.

    I like my world better than yours.

  182. Heck, we’d have pictures of the president taking a dump if the press were allowed to follow him into the head.

    Legend has it that LBJ gave interviews from the WC.

    Most of the death and destruction resulting from war are not sacrifices for freedom, rather for business.

    In a word: oil.

  183. Oil=energy. Energy=economics. Economics=Prosperity. Prosperity=you sitting on your fat ass, dumb and happy, while stuffing your face with dogs and washing them down with beer, and chatting about the significance of a picture of Obama stuffing his face with ice cream.

    Further, these “sacrifices for business” predominantly aren’t directly for us, but rather for our allies in Europe and Asia, and the world in general. Do we get something out of it? Of course. Global stability and economic prosperity benefit us too, but these are not wars for business, they’re wars for stability, which Obama just happens to suck at.

    So, take your oil comment, and blow it out your ass. Everything is interconnected.

  184. R you should be applauded for giving Tex a forum to exercise his eloquence

    Believe I have said just that on numerous occasions. Now, why don’t you applaud a country that rescued your feckless ass from a 3rd world shit hole? 🙂

    Uh huh. Didn’t think you had it in you.

  185. Gorilla, you’re trying to educate the profoundly ignorant. I wonder what Tool™ thinks his backhoe runs on? Grass? We’ve seen Rutherford’s demonstrated expertise about macro economics time and again. This is a man that probably is convinced the Chicago electrical grid runs on solar power.

    As to Rutherford, he reminds me very much of my 80 year old hippie neighbor I just asked to pick up my mail not 30 minutes ago. She literally reminds me of a textbook hag. Greasy gray stringy hair, filthy looking, well read in all the propaganda, a devout NPR listener like Graychin. We get along fine as long as I measure every word so that it doesn’t intrude on to her self-avowed socialism and leftism. Today I discovered that:

    (1) Oklahoma schools suck because we don’t pay the teachers enough and I should direct my own daughters to the “Teach for America Program.”
    (2) Our flooding rains are more proof of anthropogenic “global climate change”
    (3) Her son was a mathematical genius because of Michigan’s fabulous public school system.

    To keep the peace unlike here because I actually have to live next to the woman, my mind still races toward thoughts of putting a knife in the back of her skull to remove her surgeries from the Medicare burden. Here were my mental follow up questions:

    (1) Then explain Baltimore and my daughter, who actually was hired by ‘Teach for America’, rejected the on account of personal experience of incorrigible, unteachable kids and idiots parents.
    (2) What man made event led to the last Ice Age?
    (3) What is the brilliant mofo driving a 9 year old Ford compact with a massive dent in the truck? 😈

    But I do admire your patience.

  186. So, take your oil comment, and blow it out your ass. Everything is interconnected.

    Interconnected? Can you connect “they hate us for our freedom” to “they poke their nose in our business and put their grubby western hands on our oil fields”?

    What Poolman is getting at is too often we claim great altruistic motives for our overseas ventures and don’t discuss our ulterior motives.

    When you run for office, do me a favor. Announce your war strategy with all those “=” signs. At least then you’ll be an honest politician.

  187. Aflie, you’re a hard man to read. Am I to understand you now have problems with the Folds of Honor Program? The man that heads that up I have actually met is in a retired F-16 pilot. I’m not sure who or what that was directed towards.

    Fill me in.

  188. they poke their nose in our business and put their grubby western hands on our oil fields”?

    You don’t have any idea how ignorant you are, do you? You mean like Kuwait? 😆 😆

    Rutherford, you speak about so much magnificently that isn’t so. Have we come full circle now on the Halliburton scheme again?

    When you Leftists make these statements you believe to be profound that couldn’t be more stupid, do you have any idea that firms like Halliburton, Schlumberger, and Baker Hughes have actually been ASKED by the representative governments of these countries we money grub to provide an expertise only they are capable of producing? 🙂

  189. Maybe I misread Alfie but what I thought he was saying is there is something slightly off about outsourcing tributes.

    I think James described more grassroots involvement in honoring soldiers.

    I think it just might be distasteful to say “we’ll help you honor your war dead for a fee.”

    Alfie, correct me if I’ve misunderstood you.

  190. Ah, I come back into town to more good news.

    The Obama Administration’s unilateral executive order is probably illegal, so the 5th Circuit slams her shut. 😆 😆 😆 Doesn’t even get out of the starting blocks. You know when the corrupted Leftist courts are slapping the face of ‘The One’, he has overstepped his bounds for 4,368th time.

  191. Tex I find it a bit unseemly to call for a war somehow connected to a firm whose profits matter to you.

    You’re right. I’m no expert on the Halliburton connection but I’ve heard enough to think it smells bad. Tastes bad too, not like an ice cream cone.

  192. Interconnected? Can you connect “they hate us for our freedom” to “they poke their nose in our business and put their grubby western hands on our oil fields”?

    Yeah, but they seem to spend our money just fine now, don’t they.

    Are we the cause of their misery? Do we hold their children back from education? Do we abuse their wives, or undermine 50% of their population? Of course not, we dump trillions of dollars into their countries and their own people corrupt their own system undermining their own socioeconomic we’ll being. It is easy to say we should find an alternate source, which we have in the US already, but because of Europe and especially Asia’s dependence on Middle Eastern oil, we still have to get involved in the free flow of global energy. That iPhone you’re always bitching about won’t make itself in the Chinese sweat shop with Ahab the Arab’s oil. Period.

    As for hating us, at this point, I really don’t give a damn. There is so much hypocrisy that comes out of the ME that frankly, I don’t fucking care what they like or don’t like. I don’t know if Sam Huntington was right, or if we’re just making him right, either way, this is turning more and more into a clash of civilizations. Does modern Western Democracy win against archaic Islamist ideology? At some point, there will be a clash, and it will likely be the start of something very, very nasty.

  193. Tex I find it a bit unseemly to call for a war somehow connected to a firm whose profits matter to you.

    You always assume the worst…I wonder why? Do you know something the ordinary soldier doesn’t Rutherford? Are you and Tool™ suggesting these men are too stupid to have your comprehensive understanding and being played for saps?

    I find it more than unseemly that several of you on this board continually find fault with a country that you are not required to risk life or limb, nor have never done a damn thing nor risked a thing to earn your soft life, yet are constant critics and harsh judges of the very people who do risk their very lives to provide you those freedoms.

    And you yourself are so fundamentally flawed, so utterly depraved, you have bargained this makes you honorable and brave in doing so.

  194. Thanks for the link, Alfie.

    The police officer’s funeral was also broadcast on television and the program lasted for hours. As the coffin was lowered, and bag pipes played, heavy rain blew by in waves. Everyone appeared stoic.

    We are on the northern part of the storm which has caused so much damage in Oklahoma, Texas etc. Some thunderstorms gave us photogenic scenes for my role at Artists in the Park next week.

    Our grand daughter has a nasty cold and fever, so I stayed home to stay healthy for Artists in the Park. A surprise small heavy thunderstorm dumped on us after noon as the cold front passed by.

    She and I actually had a telephone conversation a few minutes ago. Her verbal skills are improving.

    I agree with gorilla. Everything is interconnected, and the coming final battle with Islam has been inevitable since Mohamed’s revelations.

    Right now, I don’t care. As I wrote, I have more important things to think about.

  195. Leave it to MSNBC to crap its own pants. Live coverage of Bernie Sanders announcement and I’m thinking “too good to be true”. Sure enough before speech was done they cut away for more Al Sharpton race baiting.

    Sheeeeeut.

  196. Child’s play. Nobody has broken out the real serious shit in formation kind of thing. When you’re no longer trying to kill individuals, and are trying to kill divisions and brigades, that’s when shit gets real. We are holding ourselves back, and this is what the world looks like when we do.

  197. So let me flip the question on you Tex. Is your unquestioning acceptance of America’s virtue a byproduct of sitting on your ass just as much as I have? Guilty conscience?

  198. @Tex I don’t like the exclusion clause. I have no problem with the company and I don’t really have a problem with communities availing themselves of the service. I just don’t like the 50 mile thing. Having seen one and having seen the Poppy display being set up last year in London I find the things moving and powerful. I don’t think that they should be limited.

  199. G I totally get you might not want to answer for reasons we can’t put on the web but I thought I’d ask. In academic circles there are differing schools regards negotiations with Iran,the GCC security desires and the weapons technology clause that favors Israel. Are there variations in your field?

  200. The ice cream pic would be a nothing burger without the totality of Obama’s asshole moves.

    Work place violence, Bergdahl’s a hero, even this memorial speech where he says it’s extra special because the war in Afghanistan is over…wtf?

    If I was tone deaf the last 8 years, I’d probably think the ice cream pic is no big deal too…just like Rutherford.

    Lastly, we need to be real and hate the game as much as the player.

    Obama fans are fucking morons.

    To a man (or woman), they have the street smarts of Rutherford, the ignorance of sensico and the lunacy of poolman.

    Rutherford wagged his finger at us for judging Bergdhal… That fucking coward treasonous fuck that caused good men to die!

    What enlisted man’s honor, in the last 8 years, was defended more then Bergdhal’s? That says it all, my friends.

    That’s why the fuck head commander and chief should not take ice cream selfies on a day reserved for fallen warriors. A “corppppesman” should knock it right into his face.

    Put icecream in context, and Obama is an asshole!

  201. That’s why the fuck head commander and chief should not take ice cream selfies on a day reserved for fallen warriors.

    Once again, pic was not taken on “the day”.

    Put icecream in context, and Obama is an asshole!

    For you Obama is an asshole in any context and that’s the really stupid part of where this thread has gone.

    You’re exploiting your pumped up patriotism to make the same old mundane argument you make 365 days a year. It cheapens any real notion that you really give a fuck about Mem day. It’s just another trivial excuse to slap his ass. He didn’t need the cone. If he had just smiled at the camera, you would have said “what are YOU smiling at, asshole?”

    The discussion has made Tigre and Tex look enormously silly and you didn’t have the common sense to let them sink alone. Now you’re the silly one too.

  202. Is your unquestioning acceptance of America’s virtue a byproduct of sitting on your ass just as much as I have? Guilty conscience?

    It’s not unquestioning acceptance. It’s simple observation. No country has ever done more great things, enriched more people, changed the world for the better, been a beacon of hope to the world, been less Imperialistic than the United States of America. Don’t believe me? Why are millions if not billions wanting to immigrate here? That is basically every nation, creed, color. Are we perfect? No. But we are better than anybody else by a long shot. That slowly but surely is dissolving.

    Do I have a guilty conscience? No. Possible regret for not being wise enough to engage in a camaraderie of brothers. I can only imagine the relationship formed when you put your life in another’s hands, and they do the same with you. And I didn’t even give a thought to that as a young man. That is a unique opportunity afforded to few, to be a part of something far greater than yourself.

    But not to serve under an incompetent asshole and American hatin’ rat like Obama? The narcissistic coward doesn’t deserve respect and the man will get none from me. To be honest, I don’t know why anybody would want to be a soldier under Obama, just as I don’t know why anybody would want to be a policeman under the useless bastard DeBlasio and that stupid, racist, incompetent imbecile of a mayor in Baltimore with her limp dip of a DA. What a disgrace. They reek of stupidity.

    Had the timing been right and I had known then what I know now…yeah, if I had it to do all over again, I believe I would have at least taken a couple of years of my life to serve. Would have made me better. I would still like to have met the one I’m married to, though.

    I know I have been blessed. I know I have been lucky. Though I never served, I have provided once upon a time a degree of financial support when money was no issue. Figured that was the least I could do. But am I grateful to these soldiers that truly put their ass on the line for freedom? You’re damn right I am. You would be too if you had any sense.

    But I still think I am far more engaged that you, at the very least I know I have a hell of a lot more gratitude for the sacrifice. I know when in doubt, I am always going to side with America, even if Obama won’t.

    Let me ask you a question. Why should I hold any allegiance to you? We have no common traits other then some birthright. We don’t think alike, we are opposed in every sense of the word, you’re an adversary to my faith, though my faith unlike Islam has never threatened you in any way. I find you terribly dishonest and unfair. Why would or should I think you’re not my enemy?

    I appreciate you allowing me the exchange and I make an honest attempt to thank you for the exchange. However, I think a large part of your problem is the innateness – a shit attitude and massive sense of entitlement which includes a lifetime of victim indoctrination. Now I don’t put you in the same category as Poolman, who I basically consider a lackey and stooge for America’s enemies. But I do find you an ingrate.

  203. The discussion has made Tigre and Tex look enormously silly and you didn’t have the common sense to let them sink alone.

    Actually, I think it’s been a wonderful pictorial representation and demarcation of world view. What clearer, more simple demonstration to point out our differences of how we see the world? I learned something about Alfie. He and I are world’s apart, though I don’t put Alfie in the same category I put you and Huck – amazingly stunted and completely out of touch; Useless, basically.

    Had we not had seven years of abject failure and apology for America, perhaps I would have just thought it in poor taste as I did the stuff Huck posted in contrast. That was equally profane.

    But in fact, I found it telling you couldn’t differentiate the vulgarity. I honestly think that pic is a beautiful representation of how you and Obama view America. Red diaper babies through and through, with a chip on the shoulder.

  204. The administration celebrated Bergdhal.

    Honor and distinction.

    Celebratory speeches.

    No solider left behind.

    Another guy carries on a relationship with the upper echelon of Al Queda and executes soldiers in the name of jihad and your adminstration calls it work place violence. He was stressed about his mortgage like I used to be.

    Do you have any idea how much that shit sickens me? “Pumped up patriotism”? You kidding me?

    Dude….your president celebrated the lowest form of coward. A guy who abandoned his fellow soldiers and joins the enemy. Good men died.

    How can you expect me to get over that? Or, treat it as an isolated event?

    Yeah….you are right. I despise the president. So when I see the commander in chief eating a fucking ice cream cone and tweeting Happy Memorial Day….it pisses me off.

    Hell…the president should repsect the fact a lot of us are pissed for valid reasons and be a serious on Memorial Day…the whole day. Yeah…we’re being petty at this point. He deserves it.

    He’s not you and me. He’s leader of the armed forces.

    Who is the ultimate punk when political expediency calls for it.

    You defended Bergdhal you miserable dip shit. I’d should throw a banana split at you.

  205. So Tex, a few things:

    1) I’m about as removed from the military as a man can be. Both my father and grandfather served non-combat duty in the Korean War and WWII respectively. I never talked to my grandfather about it. My dad never made it sound at all glamorous. Quite the contrary. The most vivid stories revolved around soldier bathroom humor and a brutal regimen of chores.

    I have an intellectual, conceptual appreciation for our men in uniform. But it’s not visceral with me. I’d be lying to say otherwise.

    2) it must be very hard to serve under a commander who really doesn’t want to fight. Ash Carter recently remarked that the Iraqis don’t have the fight in them. He neglected to mention that our boys do but their commander does not. I think I get that.

    3) Would I prefer to serve under the command of a reluctant warrior or under the command of someone who lied to me about the nature of the mission? You know my answer. What is yours?

  206. I don’t put Alfie in the same category I put you and Huck

    I won’t speak for Huck but Alfie and I differ in two ways that I readily admit. First of course, our basic politics differ. Second he is more learned. He does his homework which is why my arguments with him tend to be confined to matters of opinion. When it comes to facts, he works harder than I do.

    But I’ll also say this. What I really appreciate about Alfie is that he is not cookie cutter. He’s not in it for the soap opera. He has even described himself as borderline sociopath in his ability to analyze without emotion (except when it comes to Mitt Romney 😊). That was on display in this thread big time.

  207. “someone who lied to me about the nature of the mission?”

    Oh….the Bush lied and people died ignorance.

    Remember when Cheney was a war criminal? Lol…that talk sure went bye bye.

    He didn’t lie. And you know that.

    By the way, not only are you removed from the armed forces…you have never put your ass on the line for one second to help your community.

    And don’t use your handicap as an excuse. You could have been a wonderful inspiration for others like you.

    And the black community?

    Nothing. Zilch.

    The elderly?

    Nothing.

    While you are constantly on your soap box to make people less free and redistribute other people’s wealth…if there is one constant…one…it is that Rutherford Lawson has never lived a minute in which he took part of anything bigger then himself.

    Well, except for a very, very creepy 2008. You got all cult like back then….but we know why. Sadly, in a way, that was about yourself too.

    Go back to MSNBC and pretend you’re in it for the “folks”, ingrate.

    I bet you tip like shit too. You all do.

  208. command of someone who lied to me about the nature of the mission?

    That alone should condemn you as dishonest shill and stooge because what you just stated is not based on any set of facts but propaganda. Exactly what was lied about in the nature of the mission?

    If memory serves, I believe the Iraq mission was two fold: (1) Remove Saddam Hussein from power for 12 years of continually breaching 16 U.N. resolutions – nobody disputed this; (2) Eliminate Saddam’s capacity to wage war which the entire world believed included WMD. That world included Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Colin Powell, Madeline Albright, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, Robert Byrd, Henry Waxman, virtually every foreign leader, all American intelligence agencies, over half of Democrats who were then serving in Congress; a Congress that authorized the use of military force.

    Anybody of fair mind, which eliminates a hack like you, understood there were no lies about the nature of the mission. Like I have told you many times. It is a fair argument to debate how the war was conducted and to criticize the accuracy of our intelligence. Perhaps we were sold a bill of goods.

    It is rank bullshit to state the nature of the war was based on lies.

  209. Rabbit, Houston and the surrounding area were inundated – the Galleria, a world class mall and a thing of almost picturesque beauty if a mall can be called hat had three feet of water in the bottom floor. I can only hope the church my daughter will be married next week is still dry. If not, Houston, we have a problem. I told my wife to call tomorrow morning and make damn sure. Virtually everyone is from out of town.

    But the Austin area was devastated. There are entire families still missing in San Marcos, a beautiful part of Texas. However, like a hurricane, with the tragedy come some good things too. Much of Texas like Oklahoma had been under severe drought for the last five years. Those conditions are virtually eliminated.

    I guess you take the bad with the good.

  210. You defended Bergdhal you miserable dip shit. I’d should throw a banana split at you.

    I wouldn’t say I defended him. I believe he was a traitor because he was disturbed and had a fucked up daddy to boot. The man I saw being turned over to us looked damaged. To me this was no Jane Fonda giving well thought out sympathy to the enemy. If I’m not mistaken there were “cries for help” before he went awol. He had no business being there.

    That’s not defending him. Thats simply looking at the whole situation. Obama selling him as “worthy” – that’s a whole different kettle of fish.

  211. Today’s military outsources a whole lot to private enterprise. Ask Magilla why he didn’t re-up. The war businesses have been making HUGE profits and pretty much have their way at running things since 911. There’s a revolving door, just like capitol hill. I guess to capitalists, that means war is good. And to the rest of the rah rah brigade, ignorance is strength.

  212. Bernie Sanders wife – current Rutherford Lawson favorite and avowed socialist (cough cough):

    Jane Sanders was the president of tiny Burlington College in Burlington, Vermont for seven years, from 2004 until 2011. During her tenure, Sanders masterminded an ambitious expansion plan that would have more than doubled the size of the school.

    To do so, she had the college take on $10 million in debt to finance the purchase of a new, far more expansive campus. The move backfired massively, leading to Sanders’ departure from the college and the near-collapse of the institution.

    According to Jonna Spilbor, an attorney who reviewed the documents for TheDCNF, “the college APPEARS to have committed a pretty sophisticated crime” by exaggerating donor commitments in order to secure financing for the deal.

    Yes We Can!!! “incur more graft.”

  213. You could have been a wonderful inspiration for others like you.

    Well you’ve put me in an awkward position trying to defend my inspirational nature. There are those like you, no sarcasm intended, who go above and beyond. I like to think I inspire by staying off the dole, and doing my thang. Folks can choose to observe me and stop whining about their troubles or they can choose to ignore me. Example can sometimes be inspiration.

    Besides that, there is another way to look at it. Who the fuck am I to inspire anyone? Do you have the slightest idea how many lucky breaks I’ve had, starting with the randomness of parents who weren’t interested in raising a “cripple” but expected me to achieve on par with everyone else?

    My lung doctor asked me a few years ago if I’d be willing to meet with one of his patients who had just been trached and was depressed. I said “sure”. He never followed up. And I was glad because the other dude might not have had my circumstances. What an arrogant fuck “look at ME. If I can do it, so can you.” Hey, maybe, maybe not.

    Deep down Rabbit you’re a hopeless romantic and that’s the main reason I tolerate your shit. It’s not my place to inspire people on a lecture tour. Just watch me work and if that’s not enough for you, I don’t know what to tell you.

    P.S. A few weeks ago I returned some supplies to my wife’s friend. I left the stuff outside their garage. It was kinda hard for me to lift the stuff. Did it anyway. The friend’s husband asked my wife “he didn’t return that himself did he? You helped him?” My wife responded “no, I was at home.” That’s where I get my jollies. Defying expectation. Always have.

  214. G I totally get you might not want to answer for reasons we can’t put on the web but I thought I’d ask. In academic circles there are differing schools regards negotiations with Iran,the GCC security desires and the weapons technology clause that favors Israel. Are there variations in your field? – Alfie

    No worries. Yeah, but mostly along those same lines. Obviously, the details become bigger issues, which can be concerning because I don’t think there is enough discussion on the macro-implications. The problem with bureaucracy is that you rarely see the forest for the trees.

    I will say that there is conflict between State and DoD, for obvious reasons. I’ll admit, I’m biased in this, mostly because it is rare that State has to deal with the repercussions, and their mantra that talking is success is more than a little naive to us in the DoD. A question I see asked a lot, and one that rarely or never gets an attempt at answering, is what is the objective? What’s the end game? State doesn’t have an answer for that, likely for two reasons: 1) State doesn’t believe in “ends”. For them, everything is enduring: dialogue, debate, relations, etc. 2) I honestly don’t think they’ve thought it through that far. The consensus in the community for years has been that if Iran gets close to becoming a nuclear power, then Saudi Arabia would leverage its relationship with Pakistan to go nuclear as well. I submit that Turkey would be very close to following, along with Egypt. Those four states constitute the real powerhouses in the region, and all are vying for hegemonic roles vis a vis the GGC specifically, but more broadly the greater Middle East. I’d like to think that the Administration would see the recent actions by Saudi Arabia as a serious wake up call, and they would pause (at the very least) what they are doing, but I suspect that this Administration is not willing to admit that it grossly miscalculated the reaction of the Saudi’s.

    Even if someone was willing to suspend disbelief for a moment on the sincerity and intentions of the Iranians in general, the timing of this could not have been worse. This is a major security change in the region –HUGE –and with the instability in the region at such high levels, why try and introduce this kind of change now?

    Yemen is a sectarian disaster, and Saudi Arabia and Iran are on the verge military confrontation.

    Syria is a sectarian disaster, Iran is stepping up its role and involvement and it is only a matter of time before the other Sunni states get involved.

    Bahrain is sitting on a sectarian powder keg, and is scrambling to keep the fuse from lighting, again with Saudi Arabia and Iran facing off over the state. Oh, and did I mention that this is where the U.S. 5th fleet is HQ’d at…

    Iraq is a sectarian disaster, and this could go sideways any number of ways.

    I haven’t even mentioned Libya, which is devolving, the Sinai, and Israel, which has zero faith in this Administration to do anything, WRT the Middle East or foreign policy in general, correctly.

    Not sure if I answered your question or not, but the bottom line is, there’s no consensus on how to deal with Iran, at least between State and DoD.

  215. NPT showed a Frontline documentary on the origin of ISIS and similar groups.
    In simple terms, they traced ISIS to Obama’s extemporaneous Syrian red line and his inability to back up his words. The result was similar to drawing a red line for a teenager or three year old and backing down.

    Someone used Michele Malkin’s name in vain here and not in a good way. Her column today tells us that Bernie Sanders said in an interview with financial journalist John Harvard that “you don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country. I don’t think the media appreciates the kind of stress that ordinary Americans are working on.”

    I didn’t hear this on the ABC network news. I read it in Michele’s column. Her function is commentary one can take or leave but also information. Twitchy which Malkin created discusses “New York Times piece on Obamacare ‘drafting error’ omits any mention of architect Jonathan Gruber.”

    Gruber said twice on tape that states which didn’t establish exchanges wouldn’t get subsidies. Once again, an organization Malkin made and sold provided information the mainline press ignored.

    Michele Obama made what I considered to be a good speech at Oberlin. Twitchy also refers to it. Panti-waist fascists had tried to stop Christina Hoff Summers from speaking and announced that an alternative designated safe space was available during Sommer’s speech for the faint hearted who might be “triggered” by Summer’s speech.

    MIchele told her listeners to leave their comfort zones and learn about every candidate from dog catcher on up. Get involved and work for your candidates. Once they are elected make sure they keep their promises. Her intent of course supported by her lies about the administration was to preserve the failures of her ideology, but it is still good advice. If we followed it we might rid our selves of the liberal plague infesting our country.

    All of these issues are tied to two things, information and action. Malkin, who’s political views are debatable provides information.

  216. The ice cream scoop captures in one shot the depths to which the press and the office of the presidency has sunk. It reminded me of one day as a Microsoftie when the head of the department rode up to the front of the room on a prototype Segway to address the troops at a time when morale had never been lower.

    It just ain’t right. And that’s all anyone is saying. This dual purpose holiday foolishness and “Alfie for the win” is worse than silly – it’s stinky.

  217. Secretary Carter’s remarks were offensive but not quite as loathsome as President Zero’s odd speech. Both proved to me they haven’t the first clue about valor.

  218. It reminded me of one day as a Microsoftie when the head of the department rode up to the front of the room on a prototype Segway to address the troops at a time when morale had never been lower.

    Something akin to teeing off after the journalist was beheaded. Yeah, I can understand how the troops might have rolled their eyes at the dept. head. There’s tone deaf and then there is totally deaf.

    I might be able to top that one. Sometime in the late 80s, we got a memo saying because of the squeeze in refinery margins in the 3rd quarter, chances good we wouldn’t be receiving a Christmas bonus that year – the bonus even then usually amounting to several thousands dollars and one that since my first year employed, I had always received.

    The same afternoon, the President of the company whose parking space was right next to the entrance door was rewarded with a custom, two seat, convertible Cadillac with aluminum mag wheels that were so bright, they almost looked like diamonds. We all got to walk by and take a look on the way to the parking garage.

    Fate has a funny way of dealing with things, though. President Big Head backed into a pole not long thereafter. They took the custom Cadillac in to get it repaired. I happened to be friends with the guy responsible for doing the head lackey work – including getting the car repaired. Seems Mr. Ron’s time was far too important to mess with such trivial pursuits. Anyone of us adoring smurfs would do as we bowed at his altar.

    A week went by – no car; two weeks went by – the Cadillac dealership promised the vehicle repair just around the corner; three weeks quickly approached and my buddy got my bosses’ approval to drive him down the pike and demand the car back. Of course, my sycophant for a boss would have sucked the toes of the President and happily obliged. So off we went down the Turner Turnpike, easy day of work.

    When we got there, there was Mr. Ron’s $100K auto, beautifully repaired and buffed.

    Without wheels. ON blocks. 😆 Somebody had stolen the fancy mag tires. We laughed until we about puked.

  219. Thank you for your clarity, Muffy.

    The validation-fueled evolution of the whole damn subject is incredible.

  220. Tigre,

    The validation-fueled evolution of the whole damn subject is incredible.

    I’ll tell you the part that has surprised me since I started this whole mess with that Twitter pic. That anyone, even Rutherford, wouldn’t have been somewhat mortified at that picture signifying “HAPPY” Memorial Day.

    Muffy said it demonstrates how low the press and office has sunk and I would agree. But this argument on this board validates something else.

    How low the expectations of the citizens of this country have sunk. Maybe for the Christmas Season, excuse me, Happy Holidays, they’ll tweet a pic with Shelly’s mouth gaped to stuff in some more turkey with Obama having a bottle of whiskey in one hand, and a lampshade on his head.

    Put a fork in it gang. This Republic is toast. I’m not sure I think it a country worth saving anymore.

  221. G – What is the cleft of opinion between State and DOD on letting Iraq split in three? My armchair guess is that DOD would like it, defined defensive positions. State would hate it because Turkey would have a shit fit over a sovereign Kurdistan.

  222. I say save it for a Good Friday for a “Happy Crucifixion Day Weekend!” tweet.

    Gotta include the adoring press in the photo since he basically represents. . . well, Jesus.

  223. “To be honest, I don’t know why anybody would want to be a soldier under Obama” – Tex

    You don’t go to war with the President you want, you go to war with the President you have. 🙂

    And that included Colonel Codpiece holding up liberty for an entire aircraft carrier just so he could flash his mug in front of “Mission Accomplished”.

    In all seriousness Tex, hope your family is safe. That dad who was separated from his family, ended up in a hospital only to find out he had lost his wife and two children. I don’t think I could go on, just pull out all the tubes when no one was looking.

    Little girl getting married in a week? Congrats. Daddy nervous?

  224. I say save it for a Good Friday for a “Happy Crucifixion Day Weekend!” tweet.

    😆 😆 😆

    I shouldn’t laugh at the sacrilege of that, but I couldn’t help it. Maybe with Obama biting off the head of a Peep, or something. 😈

  225. “And that included Colonel Codpiece holding up liberty for an entire aircraft carrier just so he could flash his mug in front of “Mission Accomplished”.”

    How do you think the troops felt about Col. Codpiece?

    As importantly, how do you think Col. Codpiece felt about them?

  226. “I’m LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game.” — Barack Obama on his political skills in 2004

    You were saying about making a spectacle? I”ll say it again:

    A competent leader can get efficient service from poor troops (ISIS JV), while on the contrary an incapable leader can demoralize the best of troops (Pres. Barack Obama). – John J. Pershing

  227. Out of curiosity, Thor, what do you think of Barack Obama’s astute foreign policy skills about now? Still convinced the power of his persuasion is going to usher in a new age of peace? 😈

    In fact, what I Barack Obama’s foreign policy. Now, I’m no huge fan of Bill O’Reilly. But I happened to have the TV on last night, and I thought O’Reilly’s talking points were spot on. Tell me where I am wrong?

    Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

  228. R – of course this war is about oil. It might be ignited by ideology, but it needs oil to keep going (most notably for ISIS). That’s why the pundits speak about Ramadi but the forces are fighting over Beiji. And BTW, some of the religion of peace’s plunder is ending up on the market in Turkey, our supposed ally. What a cluster fuck.

  229. How do you think the troops felt about Col. Codpiece? – DR

    They overwhelmingly supported him, even the ones that would soon be dead due to his bumbling.

    As importantly, how do you think Col. Codpiece felt about them? – DR

    I don’t know the man, but by his actions, I would say he didn’t give a flying fuck. Otherwise, he would have been more concerned with securing the country rather than looking for evidence to support his own political position.

  230. Otherwise, he would have been more concerned with securing the country

    I had almost forgotten what a poor propagandist and apologist for failure you were – never seeking truth but a narrative. I guess that must be the “writer” in you?

    I suppose it wouldn’t help to remind you during Barack Obama’s first three years, Iraq was stable. In fact, that is the very reason that Joe Biden once remarked while mugging for the cameras that “Iraq would be one of Barack Obama’s greatest accomplishments.”

    Remember?

  231. They overwhelmingly supported him, even the ones that would soon be dead due to his bumbling.

    Did you father think the soldiers were such saps like you do?

  232. Did you father think the soldiers were such saps like you do? – Tex

    I don’t know what this means.

    ET, I can’t get your vid to play either. I assume it shows him crying. Too late by then. What does Obama not saluting have to do with Bush not securing weapons dumps?

  233. If this doesn’t encapsulate the Peter Pan World of Rutherford, Thor, and Dear Leader Barack, I really don’t know what will:

    😈 LA’s labor unions want an exemption from the city’s new $15-an-hour minimum wage 😈

    The Los Angeles City Council recently passed a bill to hike its minimum wage to $15 an hour, a change strongly supported by Southern California labor unions. Except now the unions want a last-minute change in the bill — an exemption for unionized firms, which would be allowed to pay less than $15 an hour if a collective bargaining agreement calls for it.

    That’s what I love most about hypocrites Leftists. They’re always for the little guy in principle.

    Until they have to pay for it.

  234. I don’t know what this means.

    You should. “Even the ones that would soon be dead due to his [e.d] Bush’s bumbling.”

    Either the soldiers were either too stupid to know any better then, or they are too stupid to know any better now.

    Which is it?

  235. ‘I had almost forgotten what a poor propagandist and apologist for failure you were – never seeking truth but a narrative. I guess that must be the “writer” in you?’ – Tex

    “But he couldn’t “get it translated – all the assets were focused on WMD.” Thousands of weapons experts, translators and other specialists, along with all their support personnel, were working to find unconventional weapons that didn’t exist, and soon were being attacked with conventional weapons that did but that had been ignored by U.S. officials.”

    Written by a Pulitzer prize winning author that has covered the U.S. military and its operations in no less than ten different countries including Iraq. So much for propaganda, truth seeker.

  236. Either the soldiers were either too stupid to know any better then, or they are too stupid to know any better now. – Tex

    Why are you saying I called them stupid? That’s not very nice. I was saying they trusted him, that’s not stupidity, that’s having faith in the CIC, the guy that has all the intelligence at his fingertips, all the power. He should have been the devil’s advocate when it came to an invasion, not the cheerleader. He failed them all miserably.

  237. “What does Obama not saluting have to do with Bush not securing weapons dumps?”

    Nothing.

    Do you remember the original comments?

  238. In the spirit of Thor’s return and are new love of camaraderie at the bar, let’s play a game. See if you can guess the demographic by the caption of the story?

    Woman Gets Fork in Eye in Dispute Over Last Rib …

  239. Written by a Pulitzer prize winning author that has covered the U.S. military and its operations in no less than ten different countries including Iraq. So much for propaganda, truth seeker.

    An anonymous Pulitzer Prize Winner with an anonymous quote? Like I said. A narrative.

    Look Thor, even an apologist stooge for Obama cannot deny this simple fact. Those videos don’t lie. Come on now. Rise above the Hope & Change altar and consider:

    Seven years after the man left office, overwhelmingly these saps that our serving in our military, knowing everything they know now reading all the Pulitzer Prize winning Obama authors about George Bush’s lies and lack leadership, many of these sap sucking soldiers having been horrifically injured in the battle under the leadership of George Bush, give Barack Obama an approval rating of 15% as Commander in Chief.

    Saps and stupid, or just confused without your insight? Did you happen to catch those mothers of the soldiers that lost their lives in the battle of Ramadi the other night? It wasn’t George Bush they were being critical of on account of losing their sons over nothing.

  240. Do you remember the original comments? ET

    Sorry. Guess I was caught up in the sequence. Yes, why would anyone want to serve under Obama? Good point. I ask the same thing about Bush. I guess because it’s our country, not just Bush’s or Obama’s. And if you are in for the long haul, you’ll go through more than one commander anyway.

  241. I asked this at the end of the last thread, no one answered, probably no one saw it.

    Did Obama get us out of Iraq or did Bush? I have been scolded more than once here for saying Obama did. I have been repeatedly reminded that it was actually all Bush’s doing, a plan he had already set in motion. Still feel that way now that it’s going to shit?

  242. I was referring to the Pershing quote. . . but okee dokee.

    As Tex points, Bush still engenders respect from the troops and Obama doesn’t.

    I accept your premise. It must be chance or stupidity. There’s no other explanation. 😆

  243. Thomas Ricks, “Fiasco”. Find the page yourself, but first, please explain why passing huge ammo dumps without blowing them, in order to frantically search for imaginary WMD’s was a tactical move by a savvy CIC and not a political move by a politician?

  244. G – What is the cleft of opinion between State and DOD on letting Iraq split in three? My armchair guess is that DOD would like it, defined defensive positions. State would hate it because Turkey would have a shit fit over a sovereign Kurdistan.” – Thor

    The fracturing of Iraq is a bad idea. Period. The fact that Biden suggested it is enough for all to know how bad an idea it is. A fractured Iraq destabilizes that entire region. There are Kurds in Iraq, Turkey, Syria, and Iran–none of which actually like the Kurds. Unless you’re going to redraw maps throughout the region–and enforce those new lines–the best course for security and stability is a unified Iraq that learns how to live with each other.

  245. Thor, you wrote ” I don’t know the man but by observation I would say he didn’t give a flying f Otherwise, he would be more concerned about securing the country than looking for evidence (about WMD) (I may have mis- written some of this because it is from memory).for his own political position.”

    I am surprised at you, thor. I think you intended the second half of your sentence to be antecedent to the first, but they have no relationship to each other.,Because of that you provide no supporting logic from one half of the sentence to the other.

    His concern for improving his political position vis a vi Iraq has nothing to do with his attitude toward our soldiers. He could have loved or hated them, and it wouldn’t have influenced his attitudes toward policy or the ;price of water in Jordan.

    As we know, Bush arguably holds soldiers in higher regard than Obama does, just as he was nicer to the White House staff than the Obamas are. Bush has visited soldiers in hospitals without turning his appearances into public events.

    Bush was flexible enough to change a policy which had failed. The Surge which Democrats opposed for political reasons was a relative success and as has been mentioned gave Obama and Biden bragging rights they didn’t deserve.

  246. Ignoring ammo dumps might have merely been an act of stupidity.

    I think Iran would also have a fit over a sovereign Kurdistan.

  247. So Pershing … good leader makes bad good,
    bad leader makes good bad,
    Obama no salute makes good troops bad.
    Still doesn’t work for me. I don’t think I left any room for chance so it must be stupidity. 🙂

    Tex, on your rib thing, I guess Idaho. If I hear the rest of the story I can tell you if it was southern or northern Idaho. 🙂

  248. I don’t think your author carries a great deal of respect amongst his peers, though that is not what really interests me. Because I know he doesn’t carry any respect among the only people who count: those putting it on the line. Countless examples…here is but one. There is no magic in finding someone on the internet to justify your position. Once again, this is all opinion and narrative. Why should Mr. Ricks opinion count more than the people actually doing the fighting?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/09/26/tom-ricks-doesnt-know-what-hes-talking-about/

    I’m not moved by Pulitzers – that’s about like a Hollywood Starlett Cher giving an award to Hollywood Starlett Lena Dunham.

    Now more to your point…I have said at least a hundred times on this very blog, it is far to criticize how the war conducted. I wouldn’t have conducted it that way either. Cheney was wrong. We were not seen as liberators to any large degree. We all admit the animals are like Obama – incapable of managing a fruit stand, much less a country.

    I would blown the shit of Iraq, kicked Saddam into hell by our hands, and left with the promise you keep it up and will blow you even further into hell. I was one of the few which I still stand by that said we should have pulled all of our troops out of harms way in Afghanistan and nuked Tora Bora without consent, with the promise next time we come back, there will be two biggins’ dropped.

    I’m a big believer in the Dresden methodology. You go to war to win. You go to war not to build nations but to destroy them.

    I have been repeatedly reminded that it was actually all Bush’s doing, a plan he had already set in motion. Still feel that way now that it’s going to shit?

    But that’s an untruth or a dreadful misunderstanding. It was never Bush’s plan to remove all the American troops. Ever. All of our generals say so. We built a billion dollar complex just to house American troops, just as we moderate a Demarcation line in Korea.

    You’re throwing out anything and everything to see what sticks in the attempt to alleviate what a useful idiot Obama has been. And that doesn’t explain away Yemen, Libya, Syria – all the doings of Obama. And you still haven’t made the attempt to explain why George Bush remains popular with Vets, both retired and actively serving, while Obama couldn’t get a service dog to play with him if he wore a porkchop around his neck.

    Are you not even willing to admit Obama is a useful idiot and disappointment? That Obama’s foreign policy is no foreign policy at all? That 80% of American deaths in Afghanistan have been under the command of Obama? That the so called coalition to fight ISIS is a ruse?

  249. Yes, Bush sighed the Status of Forces Agreement for our troops to leave by 2011. However, Sen, Lindsey Graham and others said many Iraqi leaders hoped we would maintain a military presence for some time.

    Obama took credit for a functional Iraq and for leaving on Bush’s time table.It was a foolish move because he should have known the potential for a bad outcome. He could have given Bush some of the credit so the mud would stick to both of them.

    We could and should have bribed and threatened Iraq for permission to let our troops stay awhile.

  250. “His concern for improving his political position vis a vi Iraq has nothing to do with his attitude toward our soldiers.” – James

    No, I’m not letting it go. To me, if you are CIC and you trade tactical goals for political goals when you know lives are on the line, that means you don’t give a fuck about those lives. I’ve wasted a whole fucking day at this so why give up now. Artillary shell IUDs blowing up HV’s all over Iraq were a direct result of not securing ammo dumps. Not securing ammo dumps was a direct result of a political decision to pursue evidence of WMD’s over securing said dumps. It was not an error, it was a choice.

    Like I said, I don’t know the man. He’s never admitted it was a mistake, so I have to assume he has no regrets. Maybe that’s just a political decision. Perhaps in private, it haunts him. I hope it does.

  251. The WMD was the tactical goal. Remember? 911? The entire world feared Iraq’s stock pile getting into the wrong hands.

    Horrible Intel as most of Sodom’s shit was dilapidated.

    It’s almost like you are pretending Sodom never used the stuff before. Kind of his MO, actually. Iran. Kurdistan.

    Fucking guy was ISIS savage. Except he murdered millions. Attacked 4 countries and the PLO. Nuts.

  252. No, I’m not letting it go. To me, if you are CIC and you trade tactical goals for political goals when you know lives are on the line, that means you don’t give a fuck about those lives.

    Like we all said, you keep coaching yourself into holding tight to your delusions.

    But the only people that matter and the ones you’re supposedly attempting to defend, the soldiers themselves, would find you as patently offensive and mealy-mouthed as their current Commander in Chief – a narcissist they know well a coward, liar and fool. You lend your support exclusively to the defense of Obama and not the men who fought and died on the field of battle.

    These soldiers know a cheap politician when they see one. That may have sold in 2008, Thor. Doesn’t sell now.

  253. There’s tone deaf and then there is totally deaf.

    How about something as simple as announcing layoffs the same day you announce record profits?

    I don’t remember if I wrote an internal memo to the division head or the CEO but I told him politely his timing sucked. His administrative assistant called me, explained how difficult timing these announcements was in a big company and then ended the conversation with “can we consider this matter closed?” That was his way of telling me “drop this or else.”

  254. It was my experience, “R”, that if there is one thing Conservative companies truly, truly hate, it’s political Leftists in their midst always voicing their opinion. I never met an Exec that would have liked you. 🙂 Not to disrespect or anything, but with your mouth and your mindset, I’m surprised you lasted 24 hours, much less 24 years at Big Blue. Must have been HR quota. 😈

    They would shit canned you so fast, your head would have swam at my old Fortune 50. I’m guessing your wife probably carried a burden on account of your “openness.” They were going to get you one way or another. No matter how unfair, that’s just the way it is.

  255. ET: I have a problem with the entire informal format that the Obama’s have portrayed throughout his presidency. Maybe that is a generation thing and the younger generation prefer this image. For me it shows disrespect for the office. Therefore I don’t see why everyone got their panties in a wad over Obama eating ice cream since that image is what his PR team wants to portray. On the other hand I think Michelle flaunts protocol. You are up in arms over ice cream. Me, I was up in arms over Michelle’s “sleeveless” dress when meeting the Queen of England. I look back at the various presidencies and realize the only one IMO with class was Barbara Bush.
    So in other words “Much ado about nothing” regarding ice cream.

    Lets move on to more important matters such as the information that Gorilla posted 5/27 @6:48

  256. Lets move on to more important matters such as the information that Gorilla posted 5/27 @6:48

    Fill us in soothsayer. That’s 35 minutes away at this minute. What did Gorilla say, future tense? 😈

  257. Seriously Raji, it doesn’t surprise me you would find the ice cream cone much ado about nothing. I find you particularly vacuous when it comes to the true spirit of this nation.

    You strike me as a user, a taker, amoral, an ingrate with a superficial knowledge of your pocketbook, but a 3rd world mentality of morality like Obama.

    I’m afraid I would have to classify you as real liability.

  258. Tex, your rebuttal of Ricks is a link to an op-ed by an academic that got a bad review of a journal piece by him that has nothing to do with his book? If that is the level of “shoot the messenger” we are at, then I’m not going to waste my time sourcing anything any more or reading anyone else’s sources. It’s just going to be opinion, rhetoric and weather reports.

    I voted for Obama because he wasn’t HRC (she had Bill) or McCain (he had Sarah Palin and a defibrillator) or Romney (he had an Obama-sized ego with even more yes men surrounding him). Politicians are mostly whores. I don’t adore him, he was just a choice. I don’t adore any of them. I kind of liked Reagan. History can decide their triumphs and failures.

    George Bush was a satan worshipper and fucked goats. (Holy fuck, spellcheck tries to make you capitalize satan?) My source? Fuck you, my middle finger is my source. And don’t try to rebut it with some other lackey rube bullshit source because I’ll link you to poolsinc.com so you can see footage from my insect drone of your source in a minaret worshipping nude with tofu and a carrot sticking out his ass.

    Yes, I feel better now. 🙂

  259. Thor, some sources are more reliable than others.

    My sources tell me Bush was a secret joiker. He took magic mushrooms while planing the Iraqi invasion and thought he was Rudolph.

  260. The entire world feared Iraq’s stock pile getting into the wrong hands. – DR

    Then why did we sell it to him?

    It’s almost like you are pretending Sodom never used the stuff before. Kind of his MO, actually. Iran. Kurdistan.

    So again, why did we sell it to him?

    Fucking guy was ISIS savage. Except he murdered millions. Attacked 4 countries and the PLO. Nuts. – DR

    Yeah, but he kept his boot on the neck of all the other fuckfaces you guys are complaining about now. Fair trade?

  261. Your source changes nothing, Thor. That contradictory source I threw out was just a matter of interest because I had never heard of the dolt. It doesn’t matter who you throw out there, or who I throw out there. There is only one person that counts concerning the matter of lies concerning Iraq.

    This isn’t a debate. There is only one group that has the moral authority concerning the issue of Iraq on to whether they were lied to or not, used or not, misled – the people doing the fighting, the people who bled, the families who lost loved ones, the people who made the sacrifice.

    There is the only real opinion that counts. Politicians, Pulitzer Prize winners, you, me, Rutherford, the insufferable Raji. Doesn’t matter. Yours is a narrative. Mine too. But the soldiers lived it. And they have spoken.

    The fact is, the vast majority of the military believes Obama is sham, a coward, a fink, a Muslim apologist, an epic failure, a poor leader, a malignant narcissist, a phony, and a useful idiot. The results say likewise. Teh world is burning under Obama. The world impeached this fool three years ago. Nobody trusts this shill or admires him outside the Leftists. The military overwhelmingly loathes the mofo Obama.

    Watch the Tigre videos again. You can lie about that Thor, you can propagandize, you can act as apologist – but not without looking and reading the fool or saying these soldiers are saps.

    I know why you voted for Obama. You don’t have to explain it. You’re a Leftist, probably pseudo socialist, a believer in big government. I find the vast majority of Leftists manic – mentally ill without the ability to reason. Maybe you aren’t – most are. Completely irrational, generally stupid, in it for self.

    I don’t feel better or worse. 🙂

  262. Yeah, but he kept his boot on the neck of all the other fuckfaces you guys are complaining about now. Fair trade?

    Agree. So why did you geniuses double down after being the whining critics of Bush and Cheney for eight years and do the same to Qaddafi and Assad with their boots on the neck?

    Doesn’t that make Obama and Hillary “quadruply” stupid. 2-1 and you already knew better?

  263. “Why did we sell it to him?” -Thor

    Because America sucks? What are you looking for? Fuck her right in the pussy? What does that have to do with the point I made?

    The goal of finding WMD that now apparently isn’t mythically to you was a tactical one. A strategy most of the world was on board with.

    Fuck….it was wrong as hell. So many mistakes. The pep rally for the Navy shouldn’t have been prime time TV.

    We should have gone after weapons. Worked with Ba’athists (sic). Etc. Etc.

    Hell…Bush Sr probably should have invaded and not left the Shi’a hanging to get slaughtered.

    What would the world look like if we didn’t invade Iraq in 03? Would I be more stable?

    Choose your own adventure. Pg 89 Qusay and Uday cause a regional war.

    Pg 97 Obama never gets elected. World way better off.

  264. Why did we sell it? Simple. Life is a compendium of unintended consequences. We could travel back to WW1 or earlier to find connections to violence now.

    We fought a cold war with the Soviets and their allies. The Soviet Union was trying to control the Middle East to disrupt our oil supply. Hussein was our our ally against the Iranians. We were helping Saddam fight a war against Iraq. What ever aid we gave was not from perversity of a desire to kill people. We did the same as we helped freedom fighters in Afghanistan some of whom became Al Quiada or their relatives. It was a good decision to save us from an immediate threat.

  265. I say save it for a Good Friday

    Funny you should say that. A girl at college of whom I was quite fond would go into a depression every Good Friday, so moved was she by the death of Christ.

  266. And BTW, some of the religion of peace’s plunder is ending up on the market in Turkey, our supposed ally. What a cluster fuck.

    I’m skeptical we have any true allies in the region. And the one “clear” ally, Israel does zip for us. They love us because we stand between them and annihilation. At the slightest hint that we might not find them to be a fellow shining city on a hill, they attempt to undermine our political system.

    The only true ally’s we have left are the European countries so far as I can see. And even they are too weak to fight their own battles.

  267. Either the soldiers were either too stupid to know any better then

    We’ve been down this road before. SOLDIERS ARE PAID TO BE STUPID!!! What do you think blindly following orders is? If Bush said outright “troops, you’re gonna attack Iraq because Saddam hurt my daddy’s feefees” the troops would salute and let the killing begin.

    This is why I NEVER blame troops for bad wars. Theirs is not to reason why. It is to do or die.

  268. As Tex points, Bush still engenders respect from the troops and Obama doesn’t.

    Could either you or Tex back that up? I smell ass-odor on that factoid.

  269. The fracturing of Iraq is a bad idea. Period. The fact that Biden suggested it is enough for all to know how bad an idea it is. A fractured Iraq destabilizes that entire region.

    I know it’s dangerous not to defer to you on these matters but …

    WTF are you taking about? The region is already destabilized. Why stick to ignorantly established borders from the early 20th century (borders established by white guys if I understand correctly) that disregard the hatred these folks have for each other. Based on history Sunni and Shia will not learn to live with each other any time soon.

    And men far wiser than Biden believe a 3 way split the best solution.

  270. . Bush has visited soldiers in hospitals without turning his appearances into public events.

    If he did it privately, how do YOU know about it? And if Obama does the same, how would YOU know about it?

    Pure speculative poppycock.

  271. Like I said, I don’t know the man. He’s never admitted it was a mistake, Thor I think you have Bush confused with Cheney. I believe Bush is on the record saying he’s haunted by acting on faulty intel. Cheney is an unrepentant SOB. That fucker sold W a lot of the bullshit that he bought.

  272. I smell ass-odor on that factoid.

    Hey bartender? You are as clueless and ignorant as that DA in Baltimore – Rev $harpton’s abandoned child. Damn, the thing is stupid. 😆 😆 Where do you folks dredge up these idiots to represent the thugs? She even has the cadence down. I almost expect her to yell out CAN YOU FEEL ME? YES WE CAN!!!!

    I guess your irritable bowel has returned. Remind me never to sit on your couch unless it’s made of impenetrable wood and I can bring industrial strength Lysol to wipe it down with a flame thrower. Maybe I’ll hit the kitchen stove too.

    Why don’t you watch Tigre’s video and decide for yourself just how popular your black messiah really, really is with the troops? I don’t think debate could do it justice.

    Then get back with us.

  273. Like who?

    Where do you stop? So we fracture Iraq according to ethnosectarian lines, why stop there? Could you stop there? What about Iran or Turkey or Syria? How do you handle the Kurdish population in four different countries that now see a single Kurdish state in Iraq and how could they not want to be a part of that. Would have the inherent conflict that will exist, or at least be exacerbated, between the Sunni and Shi’a as the Shi’a factions of Iraq fall even more under the Iranian umbrella. Yes the area is destabilized, what you propose would completely fracture and shatter it and that would lead to a cadre of failed states that would have no means of projecting force and controlling the territorial integrity of these new factions. And if you want to see blood for oil this would be the ultimate way to get there because now all of these factions would be desperately fighting for control over the oil wells and the oil fields in general because they would have no other means of economic production that could sustain this new set of states.

    I agree the British did us no favors in how the region was parceled out after World War one, but at this point I’m not convinced that fracturing these existing states is going to lead to any type of new found peace or stability. In fact, I think you would do quite the opposite. Either they work together or we pick a side and make one of them win; that’s the only way this gets resolved, but for that to work we have to be all in and we can’t stick our finger in the air trying to get a feeling for which way the wind is going to blow. Right now it is our inaction that is getting people killed and allowing ISIL to grow.

  274. It was my experience, “R”, that if there is one thing Conservative companies truly, truly hate, it’s political Leftists in their midst always voicing their opinion. I never met an Exec that would have liked you.

    Naaah you couldn’t be more wrong. For most of my time there I was true company bitch. Totally bought their credo and evangelized like hell. Managers loved me except for those who were insecure and felt threatened.

    That’s probably why I wrote that internal memo. I felt confident I was “one of them”. I was very wrong.

  275. You don’t have to say anything Rabbit. I was just being a dick.

    But my question about Saddam was serious. Our country is based on noble ideals, but at times it seems our best intentions fly in the face of our best interests. Leaving a toothless Saddam in power, although repugnant, might have been our best choice.

    Tex, he DID interview the guys and gals fighting in the war. Why they love him, I don’t know. People love sushi, I can’t stand the shit.

  276. George Bush was a satan worshipper and fucked goats. (Holy fuck, spellcheck tries to make you capitalize satan?) My source? Fuck you, my middle finger is my source. And don’t try to rebut it with some other lackey rube bullshit source because I’ll link you to poolsinc.com so you can see footage from my insect drone of your source in a minaret worshipping nude with tofu and a carrot sticking out his ass.

    LOLOL Hot damn, you’re on fire tonight Thor. Welcome back my brother!

  277. Thor the boys want to have their cake and eat it too. Saddam was the best thing going in Iraq and somehow it’s Obamas fault that he’s gone.

    The Arab Spring taught us something. Democracy ain’t for everybody and sometimes you need a strong arm asshole to keep shit together.

  278. @ the room I apologize for going here but…..If the photo-op was put out on Monday as the pic for that day I’d have had a different position.
    @ Rutherford yeah it seems weird but even at its dysfunctional peak Iraq staying intact is indeed in the international and especially regional best interest.
    @ G thanks for the answer it backed up a lot of stuff I’ve seen,read,heard.

  279. Leaving a toothless Saddam in power, although repugnant, might have been our best choice.
    I don’t think so but I do agree with those that say “de-Baathification” was a mistake.

  280. We’ve been down this road before. SOLDIERS ARE PAID TO BE STUPID!!! What do you think blindly following orders is.

    Man, what an ungracious asshole and gutter insult. The proverbial parent murdering child claiming to be orphan. And you’re so stupid, uninformed, sheltered, and backward, you don’t know better. That statement needs to be advertised. And I do believe that captures the essence of the Left. I don’t think even Thor would agree with statement. Or I hope not.

    You know, you were too cowardly to answer my question to you posed twice why I should hold a damn bit of allegiance to you and not look at you as the enemy.

    You don’t need to answer that now.

  281. @ James I think you make as good a case as anyone that perhaps we need to think things through before we do some of the things we do.
    About a year ago I’d say I came across a collection of US backed propaganda that was used to bolster morale and encourage resistance to the Soviets in Afghanistan. Literally my jaw dropped way low as it became pretty clear that we more than a little bit encouraged Afghanistan to get back to its 7th century theocracy psych state.

  282. For most of my time there I was true company bitch. Totally bought their credo and evangelized like hell. Managers loved me except for those who were insecure and felt threatened.

    Nah, I don’t believe that. Not unless it was a fellow Leftist and you played lackey. Those IBM types used to pander to me with lunches and gifts and I got to know the culture pretty well – enough they offered me employment. You don’t fit that culture. You were a quota.

    I was a manager and I pegged you pretty quickly years ago as self-absorbed punk, hiding behind all the affirmative action shit and black victim. Like the man haters. But it would take a substantial file to be able to justify to the EOC – probably years in the making.

    When they had the affirmative, they couldn’t walk you out fast enough. 😈

  283. Yeah a video produced with an agenda will prove your point. 👌

    Well, yeah. I can understand you doubting “the agenda.” After all, these people are paid to be stupid. You ought to sign up.

    But exactly how do two videos juxtaposed demonstrating the enthusiasm for Bush vs. Obama lie? Better yet, why does Obama rate this if he is so popular? Can you find me something demonstrating Bush is unpopular with the troops? Not some dweeb like Bowe Bergdahl. Some room.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/395212/obama-support-among-military-plummets-15-percent-john-fund

    I know math wasn’t your thing, that’s why you chose to major in it to exceed all expectations, but 15% used to be pretty low. 👌

  284. Man, what an ungracious asshole and gutter insult.

    Oh get over yourself. You might not like the blunt choice of words but the military is command and control. Not following orders in the middle of battle is grounds to be shot by your commander. Grunts don’t call the shots. Those that got drafted had ZERO choice. Our volunteers go to war on the “facts” they’re fed by the leadership.

    W with Cheney as his mouthpiece told these young volunteers that Saddam had NUKES, not just WMD. The CIA told the admin there was no evidence of it and the admin lied to everyone including the young men and women who volunteered to fight a fiction.

    If you were a real patriot and not a GOP pole smoker, you’d be enraged by all the lives snuffed out by Cheneys shenanigans born of paranoid delusion because 9/11 made him shit his pants.

  285. Soldiers paid to be stupid is right as far as it goes, but we were trained to follow only lawful orders. Disputing the lawfulness of an order with the high command gets sticky. Life on one base was stressful. A MSGT snapped and was going to kill our commander. We subdued him until he calmed down. Technically we were disobeyed an order to leave him alone and to physically confront him.

    I’m not speculating. I have read accounts of Bush’s kindness to the troops. Regardless of whether Obama uses them more as photo props
    , he compared to Bush is a cold sushi fish. Remember the poll which showed more people would like to share a drink in a bar with Bush instead of Kerry, even if they were voting for Kerry.

    Getting rid of the Baathists was a horrible mistake. The local infrastructure was decimated. Our soldiers were reduced to settling domestic and minor legal disputes.

    I already told you why leaving a toothless Saddam would have been a bad thing. We didn’t have to deal with that problem when we invaded Iraq. Hussein was still toothy then.

    The Arab Spring didn’t surprise me Kimosabe. I don’t remember if I argued it here or at the grannies, but I wrote that our not squelching it with brutality and bribes would end badly.

    Thanks gorilla.

    I like when thor goes crazy.

    I disobeyed an order when I was tasked to make coffee every morning. The hospital was full of able bodied men who drank coffee. I didn’t so why should I make coffee for them when they could do it themselves?

    I made the coffee but used the previous days grounds. It must have been lethal, because I soon heard about it.

  286. Those IBM types used to pander to me with lunches and gifts and I got to know the culture pretty well – enough they offered me employment.

    You know the culture better than a 24 year veteran. Too much Viagra Tex. lower the dosage.

  287. “SOLDIERS ARE PAID TO BE STUPID!!! What do you think blindly following orders is.”

    And here you do it for free. 🙄

  288. I’m still home because our grand daughter is still sick, I have been teaching her about maps and shown her where we live relative to their home. She now likes maps.

    My wife told me she announced she was drawing a map today.

    I have also taught her basics of our monetary system. She says “money’ when her parents go to work. She will be 2 on June 9,

  289. Also motherfucker I was a manager too. They’re a dime a dozen. You don’t know fucking shit. And beyond that, I wasn’t a quitter.

    Get back on your meds asshole. I’m in NO mood tonight.

  290. I didn’t volunteer because I knew the issues surrounding the war. In fact I suspected mismanagement would make it end badly and many lives, possibly mine would be wasted. I volunteered for one reason, because I was drafted and I wanted to be a medic more than I wanted to be in the artillery. The Army and Air Force fought over me for fifteen days until the Air Force got me. Lifers called men like me civilians in uniform, though I was also a sharp troop with the efficiency reports to prove it, and I was promoted to SSGT E 5 in under four years.

    Maybe I am an exception to your comment, Rutherford.

  291. I don’t think even Thor would agree with statement – Tex

    I don’t, that’s what makes this supposed adoration of Bush so baffling. My SIL has a masters in geology. Could be an oil guy some day, if he gives up on the military. Imagine that.

  292. Thanks, Alfie. We also gave them weapons and training.

    After we defeated the Soviet Union, we forgot about Afghanistan.

    Two of my college professors were from Afghanistan. The Omaha area has a sizable Afghani community. I think a restaurant serves Afghan food. They seem to be nice people.

  293. James, my dad picked the Navy because he said they had the best food. I’m not sure if that is still true. Also, he wanted to fly (there was no Air Force yet). I hope your grand daughter feels better.
    Any spittle make it in that coffee?

    I like when thor goes crazy.

    🙂

    Maybe I need some Sami music to soothe the savage beast. Shall I go searching or will you do the honors?

  294. James as is often the case some of the folks here can’t read the meaning behind a comment. It’s either true stupidity or deliberate obtuseness.

    I’m not saying soldiers are stupid people. I’m saying that the lower in the echelon you are the less independent thought is required (or even desired) from you. Troop cohesion and commitment to the mission rule out lots of second guessing. I’ve already conceded I have very little exposure to troops but to me this is just common sense.

    Mundane but true story. My dad got some sort of inoculation while in the service and his arm was sore as hell. His superior made him wash windows with that hurting arm. There was no refusing. Now shit, if you have to follow orders on trivial stuff like that, am I wrong to assume the grunt doesn’t question commands on the battle field?

  295. I don’t, that’s what makes this supposed adoration of Bush so baffling.

    Again, of course you don’t “agree” that soldiers are stupid people because that is not what I said.

  296. My dad enlisted in the navy and served aboard a carrier. After several years he switched to the army. He liked the army and for the most part enjoyed his job. He worked his way up to CWO3 and gave uncle sam 24 years of his life.

    Bush made jokes about not finding the WMDs at a black tie dinner for journalists in 2004.

    Kerry ran with it, but it gained him little traction in his campaign against Bush. Bush was the 911 president, and many were still shocked and awed.

    You guys have been busy today.

    George Bush was a satan worshipper and fucked goats. (Holy fuck, spellcheck tries to make you capitalize satan?)

    😆 For a moment there, thor, I thought we were going to get some REAL ‘truther’ shit. 😀

  297. If you were a real patriot and not a GOP pole smoker, you’d be enraged by all the lives snuffed out by Cheneys shenanigans born of paranoid delusion because 9/11 made him shit his pants.

    You can’t even be consistent in your demands, you Lilliputian hypocritical bastard. I’m a GOP pole smoker who quotes the statements of the soldiers, yet you know better than they do. 🙂

    Rutherford, there’s a hard lesson to learn. You wouldn’t know a real patriot if they slugged you in the mouth. You think the Bammy is a patriot. That’s how fucked up you and Thor are – you actually think Obama is not only patriotic, but intelligent.

    Like IBM, we know better. 😈

  298. I don’t, that’s what makes this supposed adoration of Bush so baffling.

    I could say the same of your groveling Obama love. What more does that dolt have to do to prove he’s clueless and out of touch? He’s an abject failure as President. As to your constant Romney criticism, today I read hackers who broke into the IRS system and stole information about 100,000 taxpayers are Russian.

    As your black messiah famously said in the 2012 Presidential debates while you wet your pants and Rutherford shit the couch, “The Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” What incredible insight your prophet Obama has. Where is the Big Reset Button? 🙂

    Bush’s degrees are from Harvard and Yale, but you keep telling us how stupid the man is. At the very least, he’s equal in academic intellect to the black messiah and a heck of a lot more likable, tactful, fun, and class.

    My SIL has a masters in geology. Could be an oil guy some day, if he gives up on the military. Imagine that.

    😈 It would be the height of irony if the man goes to work on one of those EVIL PIPELINES, and his father-in-law is forced to watch never muttering a word. God does have a great sense of humor.

  299. Also motherfucker I was a manager too. They’re a dime a dozen. You don’t know fucking shit. And beyond that, I wasn’t a quitter.

    Get back on your meds asshole. I’m in NO mood tonight.

    Ahhhhh….almost orgasmic. Where’s my Viagra?

    Careful there chief. You’ll soil the carpeting with the IBS. Do you have any idea how much that is music to my ears with I blow your blood pressure up about 50 points, top and bottom? 🙂 Must be some of that ass-odor smell on that factoid.

  300. Do you patrons of the bar know why I am up at such an ungodly hour?

    Because I fell asleep in my recliner, went out to put my hounds to bed on the walled in patio at 1:30AM, the big one goes in a massive kennel (Sarge), the other on his big pillow (Mickey). About 200lbs between these two stuffed piggies. The new one a bruiser deluxe – incredibly powerful hound. You don’t put Sarge in the kennel. You throw a bunch of crunchies in the kennel and shut the door before he knocks you through the wall.

    And I bent down to go empty the water bowl and fill it up, started to pick up one of their toys behind the water bowl to throw it back in the toy box, and damned if it isn’t a small possum (I didn’t have the light on). I thought it was one of their furry stuffed toys. Speaking of soiling yourself. Right what I need before I start traveling – a series of rabies shots.

    Mickey, the part lab part border collie, does the sphinx act and just stares at the possum, and I can’t get his fat butt out of the way either. Finally, I coax Mick to go into the house.

    So I go out to get a shovel out of the shed, start to scoop the little bastard up, only to discover Jr. possum is playing “possum.” Now the little thing is hiding behind the pole and I’m trying to scoot his butt out the door without it running to the other side behind all my power tools. Problem is, Sarge in his kennel is having no part of this creature crawling around in his domain and I know the minute that kennel door swings open, Jr. Possum is a dead duck. I have no idea how to get this thing to swing past Sarge without charging right back at me. Took me a damn hour to finally push this thing out the back door with a snow shovel – every foot or so, it plays dead. What a nightmare.

    And the thing I can’t figure out, is both of my hounds have some of the best noses in the world. Nothing gets in that yard without both of them noticing. How this damn thing snuck past both of them on the way to the water bowl, then hid behind it all night without them seeing and smelling it is beyond me.

  301. “W with Cheney as his mouthpiece told these young volunteers that Saddam had NUKES, not just WMD. The CIA told the admin there was no evidence of it and the admin lied to everyone including the young men and women who volunteered to fight a fiction.” – R

    Someone is going full MSDNC…

    The intelligence community in general failed, mostly because the believed a German source called ‘Curveball’ about Saddam’s WMD program. Charles Dulfer wrote a report on the WMD search, as well as a book, and I’d suggest you read it. But your 20/20 hindsighted condemnation really paints you poorly. The arguments for the conflict before the war were pretty strong. Did Cheney put pressure on the CIA? Yeah, but he didn’t dictate what they wrote, he just pushed them to make a call, which they did. Now, maybe we could argue that the pressure to make a call in those circumstances and in a post-9/11 environment forced the issue (and I’d probably agree with that assessment). But let us also remember that even Saddam thought he had a WMD program, which he was actively protecting from UN inspectors. See, he didn’t know how degraded his own program was (his own people would not tell him for fear of being tortured and executed), so he was actively defying UN Sanctions and inspections to protect a program that had ceased to exist, and we were reacting to Saddam’s efforts to evade and hide a WMD program that ultimately didn’t exist anymore. There’s sad irony in this story, but no malicious intent by the Bush Administration to lie about a conflict.

    Two things led to Iraq collapsing after the initial invasion: 1) disbanding the army, 2) debaathification. Paul Bremmer was responsible for both. If you really want to throw stones at anyone, there’s your target.

    Oh, and we did find WMD, most of which was the remaining bits that Saddam was constantly trying to hide from UN inspectors.

  302. Time magazine reported that as allies approached Baghdad, some of Husein’s generals recommended using the weapons. Only then, did they realize the weapons no longer exist ed.

    One of Husein’s sons-in law defected and said Husein had dismantled or moved the weapons of mass destruction to be rebuilt later.

    Some of our troops were injured by gas. The Washington Post reported from a New York Times article that soldiers found deteriorating shells and bombs which were more dangerous than their superiors told them. Iraq bought the technology in the West, sometimes with the knowledge of western nations, some times not.

    “The Times story suggests the Pentagon suppressed information about the chemical weapons because of the injuries, because it would have highlighted the massive intelligence failure surrounding the war, and because the weapons were built in close ‘collaboration with the West.'”

    One reason firing the army and debaathiication was a mistake was thousands of people lost their pay checks. They were as angry as Rutherford probably was when he was unjustly fired.

    Some of you need to get out more and read right wing sources so their bias will counter balance the lefts’ bias,

  303. Wow Tex! I feel for you. We have had lots of experience with oppossums. Sometimes they ate cat food on the patio. I took a card board box and threw it on top of the little beasts. In days when my wife was teaching and the children were in school, I waited until they got home. Then, I slid card board under the box, and we carried it to the car.

    I don’t know if it is true that one should deposit an oppossum on the other side of a stream to keep it away, but we did it.

    Our rottweiler lab cross was a stray who had learned to eat off the land. She killed anything from racoons on down, and at first, she ate what she killed. The only animal to nearly kill her was a badger,.Two years ago, while skiing, I watched a red tailed hawk attack our dog. She grabbed it out of the air during a second pass and it clawed her nose. The two sparred for at least two hours before they gave up on each other.

    We also had a skunk which ate from the cats’ pan at night. it gradually became tame and ate with the cats when we fed it. Albert moved into our garage and ate more mice than the cats did. I visited with a neighbor when Albert strolled by. His eyes were as big as saucers. My wife told people at school to defer trick or treators. Our dog either drove Albert away or ate him.

  304. The Iraq War is a ruse as argument for Leftists to mask their massive failings and inadequacies. Soldier’s lives are political fodder for Leftists. That’s all. Like everything else for them, soldiers can be consumed without personal pain or responsibility. And don’t think thousands of these soldiers don’t know the Obama/Rutherford type believe like that. Soldiers are expendable, stupid people, too ignorant to do anything but what they are told. Bush and Cheney is code to mask that contempt. It’s insulting that they find many of us too ignorant to recognize the deceit. If I were a soldier, that would be intolerable.

    Leftists have no answers. Everything they touch is shit. Public schools, higher education, nanny government, even their entitlement programs are dens of corruption, thievery, manned by America’s lamest people – all on the backs of about 20% of the taxpayers. There isn’t a more hapless, shiftless, dishonest group of reprobates on earth than what the Democratic Party has become.

    Not a damn one of them can answer a very easy question. What do you do with a dictator who surrendered without condition in a war he started and lost, and then won’t follow those conditions for 12 years – in association with a feckless and corrupt U.N. that has no business being anything of influence and was powerless to enforce? That League of Nations depravity should be condemned, defunded, and it’s management booted to Babylon or blown from the face of the earth.

    The pat Leftist answer? In their best fag voices, “Well, we could have controlled Saddam.” ** VOMIT **

    You phony, fucking hypocrites. You don’t even know what the fuck that means or what it entails. You damn sure couldn’t do it while you philosophize. Yeah, I am sure our military could have controlled Saddam taking pot shots at our jets while Saddam housed aging terrorists.

    But what message does that send to our mortal enemies who are slowly bleeding us all over this globe? It’s the same message Obama sends now. Weakness, impotence and incompetence. Russia is capitalizing on it, China is capitalizing on it. Islam is capitalizing on it. Europe is useless. Third world rejects run lose, then demand we pay their way.

    Then there are millions like my hippie neighbor. She’s so utterly pathetic out there muttering the leftist NPR lines as her religion, sounding just like Rutherford, her own loser kids are wannabee, new age hippies while she talks them up as geniuses if I’m too stupid to comprehend what my eyes see. Don’t tell me how to parent, witch, or preach to me what ails America. You’re it. Raised a substandard family – no wonder your husband left you. He was a complete moron for marrying you to begin with. He was an even bigger moron for impregnating you. I’m tired of hearing that stupid shit from aging, filthy dirt bags housing lowlifes or the cowards like my neighbor and the insufferable Graychin. Go drown yourself in your Koi pond, gramps.

    We need to separate. America will collapse and it turns into a free for all where too many good people die. This isn’t a country worth saving anymore. We are so far from Declaration and Constitution, I’ll bet out founders would find this nation completely foreign. We are 20 years past hearing “When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…”

    Let’s quit lying to ourselves and admit we loathe each other. Let the bleeding begin, if necessary. But damn, let’s stop this stupid game of political comeuppance we are playing, running up the bill for our kids and grand kids, and admit we are mortal enemies. You Leftists team up with Islam or something.

    But your mouths and your excuses have run their course. Time to put up or shut up.

  305. Iraq’s invasion was planned before 911. The neocons were looking for an excuse and 911 provided it. There were no WMDs. That was cooked intel and a campaign to get the public behind war. Historically, ALL leaders have lied to get us to go to war. Saddam defied the world bank and IMF, and that couldn’t be tolerated. He raised his middle finger at the petrodollar. Anyone with an ability to see beyond their own nose will note ALL our ‘enemies’ are defiers of the WB and IMF.

    Even wiki can reveal truth, though careful not to implicate officialdom. David Kelly’s findings and convenient death/suicide help piece the puzzle.

  306. Poolman, you’re a really poor student of history. Or perhaps you simply don’t understand the nature of man. Maybe a combination of both.

    There is a middle ground between isolationism vs. hyper-interventionism.

    For instance, one of the weaknesses of the argument Leftists make about Bush creating ISIS, is that ISIS rose to power in Syria fighting Assad before returning to Iraq. That can’t be explained away simply by pointing fingers at George Bush. Obama now finds himself between a rock and a hard place as he is forced to back Iran in the fight against ISIS, the only force actually fighting ISIS while negotiating with Iran to stop their step toward nuclear armament. All the rest of this 60 nation coalition is a Leftist tripe.

    There are at least two such occasions where America actually practiced what you preach – isolationism. The early 1900s; and during the Depression. Isolationism preceded both world wars.

    Our isolationism helped assist about 80,000,000 deaths during the second, and we were still drawn into the war at a time not of our choosing, leading us to lose many battles and many lives before finally having the capability to properly engage the enemy and win.

    Anybody that believes America can isolate herself simply has no concept of world politic or man’s real nature. That is not to excuse the mistakes that have been made, including in Iraq as Gorilla previously mentioned, but to point out knowing the nature of evil. When good men do nothing, evil wins.

    I think these Leftists conveniently forget that Saddam Hussein wanted his own version of a caliphate. He was quite prepared to cynically use Islam as a justification in doing so – much like Iran is doing now. America can’t escape that. As far back as 35 years ago, Saddam had nuclear reactors provided by our supposed ally France.

    Knowing what we know now, do you think it would have been okay for Saddam Hussein to hold fissile material?

    You have been drawn into a false sense of security by two oceans. This is now a global world and economy, even if you choose to believe otherwise.

  307. Tex, there is a problem with history. The texts we read and the account we are given officially is not accurate. I have spend years discovering what we were taught is slanted and mostly bogus. The fact that most people believe something does not make it true. Popular was never my motive, nor does it play a part in my search for truth.

    I feel I have a good grasp at understanding man’s nature. I can forgive most due to their ignorance. I have difficulty tolerating stupid among those that are believers. The longer I live, it has become much easier to recognize evil and identify lies.

    As for worldly, I have traveled a great deal across the US and have lived in Europe and do still have people in Germany I communicate with. I lived in Fulda at the height of the cold war. Google the significance if it evades you. I know the entire world is interconnected and nothing is done in isolation. I know each individual can affect the whole. I work from that perspective.

    Yes, Saddam was evil and his 2 sons probably worse. That is what power does to some people. But we set him up and gave him an arsenal. He was our guy until he wasn’t. That’s how we operate.

  308. Do you have any idea how much that is music to my ears with I blow your blood pressure up about 50 points

    Yup soon as I clicked reply I said to myself “he got me again”. Hope you enjoyed the satisfaction of pissing me off.

  309. “Soldier’s lives are political fodder for Leftists. That’s all. Like everything else for them, soldiers can be consumed without personal pain or responsibility. And don’t think thousands of these soldiers don’t know the Obama/Rutherford type believe like that. Soldiers are expendable, stupid people, too ignorant to do anything but what they are told. Bush and Cheney is code to mask that contempt. It’s insulting that they find many of us too ignorant to recognize the deceit. If I were a soldier, that would be intolerable.”

    In Rutherford speak, “Tex for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  310. “I don’t, that’s what makes this supposed adoration of Bush so baffling.”

    Yep. They like Bush and hate Obama for no apparent reason.

    That’s a real head scratcher.

    Well, maybe HRC has a shot with these idiots. 🙄

  311. Don’t you find it odd that once network news shows ran lists of soldiers killed that week? A small anti -war protest movement personified by Cindy Shehan won prominent displays on the news. Some liberals said our soldiers came mostly from poor red states and Bush and Republicans were exploiting poor folks with few choices.

    Ironically they disappeared after Obama the peace maker took over. Homeless people and the unemployed vanished too.

    Why do you think that is? I’ll tell you, The left as a rule doesn’t care about poor people or soldiers unless they can gain politically from their

    Thomas Sewell explained that leftists believe humans are perfect and with the right conditions can live in Eutopia. Conservatives believe people are flawed and imperfect. They need freedom as protection from inevitable tyrants seeking to make a perfect world.

    Now, the latest idiot and her husband may have connections with the soccer scandal.

  312. “Why do you think that is? I’ll tell you, The left as a rule doesn’t care about poor people or soldiers unless they can gain politically. . . ”

    But of course.

    Which leads us to their stance on immigration, urban police protection, the VA . . .

  313. WARNING: The following diatribe may contain run on sentences.This is actually very liberating. Just throw the shit out there, follow it up with a story about a baby kangaroo being saved from two Dingos and you’re good to go.

    What you fools don’t get and never have is that I don’t adore Obama. He was just a better choice, light years better than the bus full of red noses and clown shoes you guys thought were viable candidates. You keep trying to prove to me that the troops like Bush better than Obama, first of all duh and second of all, so what? And your 15% is bullshit, taken from those who offered a response, not an unbiased sampling. True numbers are closer to 30% which still sucks but it doesn’t fucking matter because I don’t care anyway but I just wanted to show that for someone that throws around charges of propagandist like a flower girl dropping sweet peas you can wield it well enough to have a cubicle waiting for you at Pravda anytime you decide you want it.

    Bush was God, Obama an utter failure. Scorecard please.
    Bush, 3000 dead in Manhattan, 1000 dead in N.O.
    Obama not so much.
    Bush recession.
    Obama not so much.
    Bush lets Osama run free.
    Obama not so much.
    Bush leaves office losing 700,000 jobs a month, unemployment moving up rapidly.
    Obama leaves office gaining jobs, unemployment heading downward, trending toward the low fives (all in the face of his job killing regulations job killing tax hikes and job killing obamacare)
    And then there is the oldie but goldie that just keeps getting better because, well, it does just keep getting better.
    Bush Dow 8,000
    Obama Dow 18,000

    But that’s ok. Just keep harping on whatever the scandal of the day is. Just keep regurgitating whatever is blowing out Limbaugh’s ass and landing in Hannity’s mouth because I’m sure that’s what the historians will be comparing these two on in twenty or thirty years, not these tedious “statistics”.

  314. Maybe there were less casualties under Obama. If you really are interested in casualties and not doing what you are accusing the left of doing, I believe the DOD still posts that information. You can print it here every day.

  315. “You keep trying to prove to me that the troops like Bush better than Obama. . .”

    You’ve confused yourself with Rutherford. Something about a stinky butt and factoids or hemorrhoids or something. I typed three words into Google and hit “I’m Feeling Lucky,” posted the link, and Rutherford fell silent.

    As for the balance, you’ve confused yourself with someone that really doesn’t enjoy Obama’s manhood in your mouth. You’re reaction to Obama criticism reads like a hurt girlfriend. “Is that what turns you on? Not me. I like to be held and loved for who I am.”

    History with Judge the Black Jesus harshly.

  316. Thor, are you more of an inner spoon or outer spoon?

    I think you’re more inner spoon unless you’ve been drinking.

  317. That’s the same line you always used, Thor. Weak. Get some new lines. The bottom line is Obama has been so bad, your super majority Senate and Congress are now in Republican hands, and in state offices, Republicans haven’t been this strong since Reconstruction. 2 in 3 American, including a majority of those registered Democrat say America is on the wrong path.

    That’s really the only scorecard necessary. However:

    Let me show you I can play your game:

    FDR 3,000 dead. Nigeria, Yemen, Libya, Russia reset to USSR, China, Syria, Iran, Iraq, ISIS, Boko Harem, blah blah blah.

    BP Oil spill, Sandy, Lost a stable Iraq, lost the war in Afghanistan (the good war)

    Obama financial scorecard:

    Record low work force participation rates
    Failed $1,000,000,000,000 stimulus for infrastructure
    Twice the incurred debt of predecessor
    Six years of falling middle class wages
    Obamacare Failure
    Slowest Recovery on Record, more likely no recovery
    One in two college graduates unable to find work in major
    50% increase in SNAP allocation
    Largest discrepancy between rich and poor in U.S. history
    $1.4 trillion in student debt

    Here are the real facts, much as you like to spin: The percentage of working age Americans with a job has fallen from 60.6% to 58.4% while Barack Obama has been president, 40 percent of all American workers are making $20,000 a year or less, median household income has declined for six years in a row, and poverty in the United States is absolutely exploding. One in five families in poverty; one in two at or near poverty; record unemployment among young black males.

    Riots in Seattle, Oakland, New York, Philadelphia, Ferguson, Baltimore, race relations worst since slavery Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton Timothy Geitner, Czars booted, blah blah blah. The country hopelessly polarized.

    Look. If you really, really, really think Barack Obama is a more capable leader than Mitt Romney, you’re stupid. You’re a lemming. If you really think George Bush was responsible two trillion dollars in bad housing debt accrual being dumped into the U.S. economy, you’re an imbecile, an unserious man, a useful idiot, a weak propagandist, and profoundly ignorant. Why you take this personally and can’t admit to abject failure is beyond me.

    I suspect what you’re really trying to do is legitimize your personal investment twice in a sham. It’s not working anymore, Thor. Give it up.

    And the one thing you invariably fall back on is the stock market – the most ludicrous of all claims.

    82 percent of all individually held stocks are owned by the wealthiest 5 percent of all Americans. It’s me that should be thanking you for Barack Obama’s quantitative easing and the $4.5 trillion Fed investment. You “SAPS” just paid for my daughter’s wedding. This is a game that is rigged to benefit the elite. I happen to be lower than the elite but a holder of quite a few individual stocks.

    Surely even an economic illiterate like you has to understand this is unstable, unsustainable, and does not serve the majority of working people. Fed policy is to give banks hundreds of billions in gambling money which does nothing for the real economy and further enriches the already rich. Meanwhile, 18 million American children live in poverty, and 1.6 million school children are homeless.

    Last week, the five biggest banks in the world were fined $5 billion. Number of people punished: Zero.

    I leave you with this – from the New York Times – a haven of Rush Limbaugh fanatics:

    The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.

    In essence, the poor economy has replaced good jobs with bad ones. That is the conclusion of a new report from the National Employment Law Project, a research and advocacy group, analyzing employment trends four years into the recovery.

    Not even the Paul Krugmans of the world I cheerleading your shit anymore, Thor.

    But here is a prediction. When this market absolutely craters, and all the experts are warning of it, and should it happen in 2017, and should a Republican be President, I guarantee you will be in here condemning the new Republican President in his policies.

    You haven’t changed a bit. Still as obtuse and deluded as ever…

  318. Thor, may I ask you a personal question? Do you have some personal investment or work for or with the local Democratic Party?

    Here is why I ask. You’re a Democratic operative with by lines. It’s like listening to a James Carville Jr. It’s pure spin. And in the event the spin won’t work, that is followed by some historical listing of some grievance to excuse the failure.

    Even Rutherford, a black man, doesn’t take personally the insults cast toward Barack Obama as hard as you do. The President is an asshole. A grossly incompetent, malignant narcissist – few people across this world are supporting him anymore, and Obama is continually rolled by our enemies. The only people who fear him are Americans watching him step all over the Bill of Rights. Even most of the media finds this turd unlikable and unapproachable.

    There is something you haven’t shared with us. Something that makes this very personal for you. I suspect somewhere along the lines, you got a little Red Diaper baby in you. I used to see while up in Washington and out in California. You’ve been steeped in dogma.

  319. “You keep trying to prove to me that the troops like Bush better than Obama. . .”

    You’ve confused yourself with Rutherford. – ET

    “I don’t, that’s what makes this supposed adoration of Bush so baffling.”

    Yep. They like Bush and hate Obama for no apparent reason. ET

    I think you have me confused with Rutherford. I know the troops don’t like Obama. Why should they? You responded to my statement about Bush with a statement about Obama. The point is moot, uncontested, never contested. Why do I feel like I’m giving a deposition?

  320. By the way, Thor. Consider it a left-handed compliment of sorts. Unlike most Leftists, I consider you smart enough to figure it out one day. My underhanded tactics (cough cough) aren’t met to infringe upon you and you do have a good sense of humor.

    You seem the good daddy and stuff. 🙂 I’m glad you’re back.

    But let me ask you a question. Forget Feckless Barack Obama for a minute. He’s old news. Are you personally comfortable being party to a woman like Hillary Rodham Clinton? And looters? And race baiters?

    Don’t you find Hillary the least bit shady? The woman has no known accomplishment, is now approximately as rich as the man you criticized last go around, and without question has had scandal follow her throughout her career. At least a large part of it in undeniable.

    Now I know by default all the Republicans are awful. I get that. They’re politicians after all.

    But I mean, are you comfortable voting for a woman who mass deleted emails that were never supposed to be on her personal server to begin with? And that’s just one of hundreds of questionable calls about this woman.

    Your personal life seems out of sort with your politics is why I ask.

  321. Just like I thought, a few tangents, no real rebuttal, insults. And now I’m some kind of Dem operative. I can’t believe I’m saying this for the 100 billionth time. I don’t adore Obama, I don’t belong to the Dem party and the only thing that makes Obama look good at all is the dismal record you guys put up against him. I didn’t realize you were such a fan of unemployment and financial crashes. Did you hear Fuld speak today? Talking about how he loved his company and the people working there, all the while watching it burn down around him. He took a company that used to invest in actual ideas, startups American business, places that actually built shit, and he turned it into a junk bond saloon. Why, because he could. You think that guy is voting for Sanders? Warren? Not on your life. Probably got his own PAC started for Hillary or Bush as we speak. Sandy? What did he fuck up with Sandy? Too bi-partisan? Didn’t get the body count high enough? Too much planning ahead?

    You can’t get beyond your Obama hate long enough to view reality. You say I’m stupid, and maybe you think I am. But there is another possibility. Perhaps I’m not that stupid. Perhaps we’re quite alike. We’re about the same age. Going through the same chapter in life, losing family, watching our kids go through college, marriage. We both were smart enough or lucky enough to put some money away early, diversify, ride the balloon instead of crashing with it. We both are spiritual, although you think me a fool for not joining your club and my club doesn’t have a guest list so I have to take you whether you are a fool or not. We both love our wives and our countries, probably almost for the same reasons. They have their flaws, but they are by far the best thing going. And frankly, the only ones that will have us. Perhaps when you look at what connects us and beyond what divides us, it scares you a little. How can this guy with such similar life experience see the world so differently? Can there actually be something to what he says?

    You speak of splitting this country. I don’t want to split this country. It wouldn’t be my country if Tex and James and ET and even the long gone Noah weren’t in it. Yes Rabbit, your government job and Michigan residence means you have to stay with us. You too G. Just like children of divorce, having to go to the less-favored parent’s house, you two will have to come stay with Uncle Rutherford and Auntie Thor now. It’s like Kramer vs. Kramer. I think I’m going to cry.

  322. Benito Mussolini was a school teacher.

    As for Michigan, I’m guessing you have little understanding of the dynamics here.

    Hell, the Oklahoma City Bombing came from Michigan. Not that I’m condoning or making light of that.

  323. I do get wordy with you, Thor. I apologize for the tome. But there is so much we could discuss. If I am ever in Spokane, I will look you up and buy dinner. I’m not as crazy or mean as you might think.

    Sandy? What did he fuck up with Sandy? Too bi-partisan?

    Obama claims they left nobody behind after Hurricane Sandy? Really? Wall Street Journal too biased for you? It’s a cluster almost two years after the fact. You want to throw New Orleans in Bush’s face – a farce if there ever was in Chocolate City. I am going to throw Sandy in yours and blame Obama.

    Many Displaced by Superstorm Sandy Still Wait for Housing Help Rules, Including Some Tracing to Fraud Seen After Katrina, Slow Delivery of Billions in Federal Aid

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/many-displaced-by-superstorm-sandy-still-wait-for-housing-help-1403060886

    Eighteen months after the fact. Oh, and guess who is doling out the monies? An Obama campaign bundler.

    Tonight I will fly to Houston, Thor. Look at what our federal government has done to that. Complete and utter chaos which has done nothing. Nothing. And I ask myself, how can a reasonably smart man like you want more of it?

    I don’t know what “spiritual” is, Thor? Heaven’s Gate was spiritual. Barack Obama says Jeremiah Wright is spiritual, the insufferable Oprah says she is spiritual. You do realize that is new age nonsense and navel lent, don’t you? I’m a Christian. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and believe Him to be the one and only true God. That’s specific and it is exclusive. I don’t call myself spiritual. I call myself a too often failed disciple of Christ.

    I don’t hate Barack Obama – but I do loathe Obama, what he is attempting to do which I find radical, and his equally horrid wife. And they have been to large degree successful at the transformation. I most certainly do not find it better. I believe they both hate America and carry a list of grievances because they’re both racists and fools and have been since they could be held accountable. I think they have surrounded themselves with haters and fools. I think they have been abject failures every step of the way for virtue and rights. Say want you want about the entire Bush family. You can’t doubt for one second they are all patriots. I don’t think Barack Obama is. I know Michelle Obama is not.

    I believe Barack Obama is an utter fraud with a multitude of genuflecting lemmings at his feet. I told you if he won reelection, he would not be inhibited in the least. You ain’t seen nothing yet. As this thin-skinned demagogue begins to watch his rule unravel and it is, as the tide of public opinion for anyone that matters is turning against him, when even the corrupt media is beginning to question Obama’s wisdom and vision – especially foreign, Obama will get more angry and more detached and more reactive. It is his nature – it is who he is – a megalomaniac who thrives on adulation.

    I in my heart of hearts believe Barack Obama is a despicable human being and evil man. If you want to call that hate, I won’t argue. I just know Barack Obama to be not much more than thug with a gift of delivery. I don’t find him the least bit intelligent. Apparently he is damn good at manipulation. More so, I think he’s a puppet on a string working for perhaps without knowledge, for some truly high level demons. You think I’m nuts? Fine, I can live with that. But I know George Soros to be a wicked man.

    But I don’t think you are. I do think you’re incredibly unfair in judgement, biased for reasons unknown, even deluded on occasion. This country is disintegrating. You got to know that. Look around – hopelessly polarized, the culture falling apart. I know you were close to your father and I find it hard to believe he would approve of Barack Obama, unless he was one of those from an early age that thought FDR was god, and he can’t like what he sees happening in culture.

    Since Rutherford won’t answer, maybe you will. I don’t dislike you, Thor. I actually might like you in real life at a very superficial level. You have some admirable traits, you appear to read good father and husband – qualities I put at the top of the list. You’re funny and well read. But we are not alike. Our world view is adversarial and opposed.

    So, answer me this if you get a chance. What is so magic about this birthright that I should hold allegiance to you, when you are opposed to virtually everything I stand for and even some of my basic tenets? When I find you a world-class purveyor of falsehoods and you probably so of me? Why would it not be better for us to go our separate ways with freedom of association and thought of like mind and be done with this charade, peacefully if possible?

    You and I will never see eye-to-eye. 9/11 was the demarcation point. Soon after that day, I begin to see much of America, specifically the Democratic Party, in a far different light. And it’s not coming back for me.

  324. Ultimately, what does Uncle Rutherford have to offer?

    Tex and James know why you want them in the fold, but what do you offer them in return?

    You speak for the takers, for the destroyers of black culture, American work ethic and, brick by brick, big city America.

    Yet, you don’t offer much blood or money. What do you bring to the table? Whether inner city welfare recipient or trendy college educated hipster, y’all can’t even change a tire.

    They don’t have a need for Uncle Rutherford’s dilapidated house in a soon to be burning city.

    Maybe I do. But James?

  325. What do you bring to the table? – DR

    Microsoft, Boeing, Google, Costco, Amazon, salmon, Starbucks, wheat, deepwater port with refineries, timber, trident submarine base, Jimi Hendrix, Bruce Lee, Soundgarden, Heart, Mt. Rainier, Grand Coulee Dam, Damn! Jess Walters, uranium and bald eagles. And that’s just my state goofball. I don’t know anything about Michigan, just figured Detroit would be north of the Tex-Rutherford line.

    Tex, I think we would do fine as neighbors or friends. I live in Eastern Washington, it’s Tex central around here. Never had a problem making friends and keeping them. We just don’t talk a lot of politics, and when we do it’s local school board stuff, for the most part.

    I think of someone as spiritual if they think they are more than the carbon factory they walk around in. Divisions after that are not that important to me, unless they try to cut my head off.

    Given my mistake in including Michigan on my side, what would your line be? And be careful, a lot of those you might think of as kin are real takers. And you can’t have the Dakotas, there’s lots of oil there and I want to see that Crazy Horse thing if it ever gets finished. 🙂

    Have fun in Houston, and congrats to your daughter once again. I hope they have more than one airport in Houston. The last time I was there, there was a chemical leak that shut down half the freeways, jets had to have a certain amount of thrust or they were grounded because it was so fucking hot and that trolley you ride around in to get to your terminal felt like a simulator on the Titanic. I thought I was going to die right there on the Texas tarmac which wouldn’t have been all bad because the alternative was to spend endless hours inside waiting for my flight while listening to a continuous loop of Fox News Barbie Dolls and Black haired dildos try to sound smart because it was July and there was no news so they were filling dead air. To be fair, the CNN in Atlanta wasn’t much better so I walked the halls looking at pictures of MLK and cotton. 🙂

    Seriously, I hope you have a great time. This is the stuff that really matters in life. Not the online persona chatter but the people you love, the ones you can reach out and touch. The ones you can hold, because they are the ones you’ll have to let go of some day.

  326. “I don’t understand. Are you talking about how I sleep with my wife?”

    Not unless she tries to get between you and the Obama mannequin.

  327. “I think you have me confused with Rutherford. I know the troops don’t like Obama. Why should they? You responded to my statement about Bush with a statement about Obama. The point is moot, uncontested, never contested. Why do I feel like I’m giving a deposition?”

    I think you restated my point then placed it in a high speed centrifuge of circular logic — extracting what I don’t know. But it radiates pain.

    Mind. Blown.

  328. Thor,

    I have been near your part of the woods. That’s not exactly what I would call the Garden of Eden there. 🙂 In fact, I found it pretty backwards – like rural Oklahoma. Now granted Seattle is very pretty – and very expensive. Every town has good people, Seattle to a far lesser degree per capita. In addition, the food pretty much sucked except for Dungeness crab. They wouldn’t know a piece of beef if it were sitting in front of them and I didn’t know you could ruin a hamburger or pancakes. Seattle can.

    I can live in three times the home for about half the price of Seattle. Mt. Rainier is pretty. So are the Rocky Mountains and I can stay there for free. 😐

    Seattle, one day sitting on the Pacific rim of fire, probably will not be an issue. If I can get BIC out, I might find a small chuckle watching the Tsunami. 😈

    I found Seattle kind of like Hawaii without the nice weather, unless you like being damp while sitting in traffic. Picturesque and totally plastic. But the world is small enough, I can hop on a plane and be there in hours and let someone else clean up after me.

    Actually a worldly sort like you should love Houston. I understand it just past NYC as the most international city in the nation. It’s actually a cool town and unlike Seattle the food is dynamite – as long as you stay away from Africa and don’t mind 5 million people driving with you.

    It does have more than one airport.

  329. Not unless she tries to get between you and the Obama mannequin.

    😈 I wonder if it is bony? 🙂 I can understand Thor not having the Michelle Mannequin. The king size wasn’t big enough to house the hump in the middle.

  330. History with Judge the Black Jesus harshly.

    I don’t think that is remotely true. The future will spin things with an emphasis on the Pacific Pivot and FP being backed militarily only via coalitions .

  331. Gorilla I know you don’t like MSNBC or Chris Matthews but I need you to watch this interview with ex-Deputy Director of the CIA, Michael Morell and then explain to me how we can’t come to the conclusion that Cheney lied and people died.

  332. I’m tired of hearing that stupid shit from aging, filthy dirt bags housing lowlifes or the cowards like my neighbor and the insufferable Graychin.

    Tex it’s one thing to, without inhibition, go after me, Graychin, Thor, etcetera on the Internet. You don’t really know us and such behavior is old hat on the net nowadays. Your brand of character attack at anonymous targets while you remain anonymous is practiced by thousands.

    But when you smile at your neighbor and behave like a gentleman and then get on your computer and berate her in the most vicious way, you need to check yourself.

    Anonymous attacks on anonymous people doesn’t speak well of you but it’s so rampant nowadays I can’t call it a character flaw. But when you smile at her tomorrow and pretend you like her – that’s a lapse of character. I don’t give a flying fuck if I sound like I’m lecturing. At 54/55 you need some soul searching dude. You’re not right with yourself. You need to do some work.

  333. He was our guy until he wasn’t. That’s how we operate.

    I think a similar thing can be said about Qadaffi and in a different way, Ukraine. We promised both, no nukes and you’re ok with us. Then when the chips were down we let both swing in the wind.

  334. Just keep regurgitating whatever is blowing out Limbaugh’s ass and landing in Hannity’s mouth.

    Holy crap, that’s some intense imagery!!! LOL 😂

  335. I typed three words into Google and hit “I’m Feeling Lucky,”

    Doesn’t that usually pull up porn?

    At least that’s what I tell my wife: “but honey, all I did was type Bush, popularity and troops and clicked ‘I’m Feeling Lucky'”.

  336. Tried to watch Matthews vid. Couldn’t make it through. I wanted to hear what this guy had to say and the limitations of his knowledge but all I got was Matthews shouting at the guy and berating him for the sins of others.

    I can’t say whether Cheney lied or not. All I can say there’s something wrong with you if that form of discourse is found enlightening or entertaining.

    I’d suggest you read the book. Hahahahahah.

    What’s the source of the intelligence committee’s info? Are they briefed differently? I typed in “intelligence committee” and “briefing” and hit “I’m feeling Lucky” and got naughty librarians taking a break from their library duties. . . and I got distracted.

  337. So are the Rocky Mountains and I can stay there for free. – Tex

    Tex, I think I live a little farther east than you realize. I live on the western reaches of the Rockies. Google the Selkirk Range if you are so inclined. We live about 4 hours from the continental divide. I can visit there and be home for dinner. 🙂

  338. “But when you smile at your neighbor and behave like a gentleman and then get on your computer and berate her in the most vicious way, you need to check yourself.”

    Why?

  339. But I mean, are you comfortable voting for a woman who mass deleted emails that were never supposed to be on her personal server to begin with? And that’s just one of hundreds of questionable calls about this woman.
    Your personal life seems out of sort with your politics is why I ask.

    With all due respect to Thor you don’t really know a damn thing about his PERSONAL life, nor mine nor anyone else here. Have you MET ANY of us? If so, please let me know.

    For all you know Thor and I are bible thumping far right ultra-conservatives who’ve been playing you for 7 years while Rabbit is a homosexual theater director.

    You talk such nonsense. You truly believe there are no liberals with decent personal lives — lives so staid and stodgy they make your life look like a 3 ring circus.

    What does it matter if Thor or I don’t like HRC? I offer up Bernie Sanders and the first thing you do is dig up dirt on his wife. They’re ALL HRC to you. Just a matter of degree.

  340. I call myself a too often failed disciple of Christ.

    Just for shits and giggles, how often can you fail before you stop being considered a disciple?

  341. Thor I honestly want to commend you on your sweet tone with Tex. This being a special week for him, seeing his daughter become a bride I shouldn’t be so abrasive but I’m real short tempered this week and Tex’s personal insults and my mood have made for the perfect storm.

    No matter how much he pisses me off, I bear his family no ill will and I hope his daughter has a wonderful wedding day.

  342. I can’t say whether Cheney lied or not. All I can say there’s something wrong with you if that form of discourse is found enlightening or entertaining.

    HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED FOX???? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    I knew you’d use Matthews abrasive style as excuse for not watching. Matters not because I really want to hear from G if Morell is himself a liar. He and Cheney cannot be both yelling the truth.

  343. “But when you smile at your neighbor and behave like a gentleman and then get on your computer and berate her in the most vicious way, you need to check yourself.”
    Why?

    Was that rhetorical?

  344. Thanks R. I don’t think you’re being too tough on Tex. He admits that at times he just wants to get your blood pressure up. I don’t think you’re playing any rougher than most of us would, considering what you’ve endured this week. And as far as what you bring to the table, you seem like a nice guy who speaks his mind and allows others to speak theirs. That’s good enough at my table anytime.

    Anything on the job front yet?

  345. For all you know Thor and I are bible thumping far right ultra-conservatives who’ve been playing you for 7 years while Rabbit is a homosexual theater director. – R

    🙂 🙂

    From the director of “Rent” and “The Birdcage” comes the latest “Tales of the Tattooed Teacher”. Not only will he blow the roof off, he’ll put it back on when he’s done. Come one, come all to this extravaganza in yoga pants. 🙂

  346. That’s little greenie McCain. No tellin’ where that face has been. Well, actually he has told us multiple times. The yoga pants add a new twist.

  347. Well, that interview is hard to watch, because Matthews is trying to direct it to his conclusions at every step. I don’t think he ever lets Morell actually finish a sentence. But more importantly, Matthews is, in my opinion, intentionally being dishonest. This took me two minutes to find on google:

    MR. RUSSERT: There’s real debate about those labs. But I want to talk about something very specific. And that was the president’s State of the Union message when he said that the British had learned that Saddam was acquiring uranium from Africa. That was in January. In March the head of the International Energy Atomic Agency, ElBaradei, issued this statement: “A key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program appears to have been fabricated, the United Nations’ chief nuclear inspector said in a report…Documents that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for uranium in Africa two years ago were deemed ‘not authentic’ after carefully scrutiny by U.N. and independent experts, Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the U.N. Security Council. Also, ElBaradei reported finding no evidence of banned weapons or nuclear material in an extensive sweep of Iraq using advanced radiation detectors. ‘There is no indication of resumed nuclear activities,’ ElBaradei said.”

    Eight days after that, you were on MEET THE PRESS, and we…

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.

    MR. RUSSERT: …talked about that specifically. Let’s watch:

    (Videotape, March 16, 2003):

    MR. RUSSERT: And even though the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we disagree.

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree, yes. And you’ll find the CIA, for example, and other key parts of our intelligence community, disagree.

    And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei, frankly, is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq is concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don’t have any reason to believe they’re any more valid this time than they’ve been in the past.

    (End videotape)

    MR. RUSSERT: Reconstituted nuclear weapons. You misspoke.

    VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. I did misspeak. I said repeatedly during the show weapons capability. We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon.

    First, this was from the September 14, 2003 Meet the Press interview Cheney did with Russert. Your Matthews piece is from May 19th, 2015. Twelve years. I don’t believe for an instant that Matthews’ production staff did not know about the September interview, and thus I think they saw that he had corrected himself. The most insidious bias of the press is what they do not chose to report on.

    Secondly, when I initially heard Cheney in your Matthews clip, I thought capability, not a weapon. Morell very clearly tells Matthews that he doesn’t watch policy maker’s interviews, so not only did he not see this, he didn’t see Cheney correct the record with Russert in September. Matthews pushes him on the spot, out of context and without an ability to research, to call Cheney a liar on TV.

    It was actually my lack of trust in Matthews and MSDNC that I even searched for the transcript of the Cheney interview with Russert, and that is when I found the September transcript in which Cheney corrects the record. So, a couple things comes out of this little exercise. 1) this just further reinforces the bias and dishonesty of MSNBC, and especially of Chrissy ‘Tingles’ Matthews. They knew about the correction—I guaranty it—and chose to exclude it because it changed the light they wanted to paint with. 2) Morell attempted to explain the context of the time and Matthews absolutely would not allow him to do so. Cheney, in the transcript linked and in the March interview, lays out the context of the time as well. To ignore, or in Matthews case suppress, the context in which policy decisions are made, it is impossible to get an honest assessment of what drove the decision, or what were the real influencers to the decision. That is the entire point behind the 20/20 hindsight criticism. Sure, if they knew it then, they would have acted differently, but they didn’t know it then, which is why they made the decision they made.

    That’s ultimately the difference between analysts and historians: analysts have to assess current and future actions based on partial information through various prisms, whereas historians can look back at something with the benefit of time and results to see how or why a decision was made, and how it turned out.

    So no, I don’t think Cheney lied.

  348. “HAVE YOU EVER WATCHED FOX???? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?”

    Sure. So? I don’t like it there or anywhere else.

    I love when you get all defensive about MSNBC? It’s like your family to you, isn’t it?

    I saw enough of the yelling to get the point. My questions pertain.

    Take an Imodium and quit being a spaz.

  349. “Was that rhetorical?”

    No.

    What’s the problem if Tex smiles and acts like a gentlemen. The alternative is preferable to you?

    Conversely, what difference does it make if he “anonymously” speaks his mind among all these “anonymous” internet freaks?

    Or is not supposed to have those thoughts?

  350. Well that was a persuasive debunking.

    G, I did ask a serious question. How does the senate intel committee get briefed? Would they have had the same info from Morell?

  351. Yes and no. They have access to a significant amount of information and they get briefed by the intelligence community regularly, but they don’t have access to the PDB unless POTUS gives them access, and that’ll only be for a specific brief, never in general.

    With regards to the Iraq War, and the decision to invade, yes, they had been briefed with all the same information that POTUS had been briefed. They also had the NIE, which was a large influencer in the decision to invade.

    The Executive Branch has requirements to brief Congress on certain actions, and so there are a handful of individuals who are cleared very, very high. War, covert ops, etc, are some of the things that POTUS is obligated by law to brief Congress on.

  352. Thanks.

    I’m trying to get at the MSDNC motive in all of this. I assume it is to (1) discredit Morell because he was involved in the altered Benghazi memos (his book??), and/or (2) shield HRC from the blowback questions of the not-so-clever “would you have done what Bush did” posed to the conservative candidates.

    Good job on the response. I was looking for actual info about the conflicting accounts and all I got was the wailing KOS and HuffPo blather.

    You know, looking back, it is easy to see that Matthews was deliberately trying to suppress any context from Morell that didn’t further the narrative. If you’ve summed it up right, that’s some pretty cheap shit. Big shock.

    Matthews lied, Rutherford cried!

  353. I’m glad you like it Thor. I hadn’t thought about it, but I guess it is a little like older Monsters and Men. Eivor did receive some voice training in Iceland, and the Faroe Island people identify somewhat with Iceland.

    I read that as their economy improved, the Faroe Islands fostered an independence movement. The Denmark government told them that if they voted to be free, the subsidy checks would stop within four years. Suddenly being with Denmark looked better.

    I see a similar mind set with California labor unions who campaigned for a $15. per hour minimum wage. Now, they want to be exempted. Reality sucks.

    When the war was progressing, liberals muted their Cheney lied rhetoric. Now that they have made a mess of it the lie charges grow louder, I think liberals are trying to shift the blame for current defeats on to Bush to absolve themselves of our latest disaster. Thus, the ultimate blame rests on the Bush administration, and he, not Obama bears responsibility for ISIS and other terrorists. Bush is history. Obama is the owner now, and he won’t admit it. Reality sucks.

    Rabbit is right. I am self contained. and fine.

  354. We used to visit my mother’s relatives in Idaho. and we often traveled to Edmonton. The Selkirk mountains look more like the Alps than many mountains in the US Rockies because so many of the Rocky Mountains have foot hills. The Selkirk area also reminds me of mountains in the Scottish Highlands. Many of them rise abruptly from the plains, though they aren’t very high. My wife and I once climbed part way up Ben Nevis. It was one of our dumber moves.

  355. Soul searching, hey? Rich coming from a gnome like you. Would you prefer me to punch you in the mouth, or shake your hand when we meet? Your demands for honesty and all?

  356. Thor. I could live in Boise city, ok, and be at the continental divide in 4 hours too. But I don’t want to live there. Just saying.

  357. Congrats Tex.

    Shouldn’t you be scowling at the family members and other guests you don’t think highly of rather than checking in on Mr. Poopy Pants’ blog?

  358. Yeah, what he said. 🙂 So is today the day you gain a son, or is today just practice day? Either way, congratulations!

  359. Anything on the job front yet?

    For the time being I’m off furlough back on the phones in a thankless job but it pays for the groceries. The rent is another story.

    Searching for greener pastures as we speak.

  360. Not only will he blow the roof off, he’ll put it back on when he’s done. Come one, come all to this extravaganza in yoga pants. 🙂

    Hilarious. I’ll be chuckling on that one all day. 😂

  361. “Conversely, what difference does it make if he “anonymously” speaks his mind among all these “anonymous” internet freaks?”

    The tirade rings hollow. Especially coming from a guy used to carp anonymously about paying customers that he was being compensated for assisting when they got stranded at the side of the road. Calling them assholes, complaining about them not speaking English well and being stupid and all. Posed an unlikely punch to the asshole’s face if he ever had to hear about another dead battery. From people paying for a service that basically consists of having somebody to call when your battery is dead. The nerve.

  362. Debunked it was.

    Bernie Sanders fantasized about women fantasizing about being raped. He was 31 at the time. If Romney had written something like that, he would not have been able to run against Obama. It was bad enough for him with word he may have bullied a classmate when he was 18.

    The economy has contracted, and because Obama is in office, it is no big deal. President Bush would have caused another reaction.

    The Washington Post as of Sept. 2014, says it is getting harder for new businesses to establish themselves, New firms getting profitable are not creating as many jobs.

    I suspect some of the people you voted for indirectly caused some of your woes, Rutherford,

  363. My wife put me in a Marriott. Lol. I got more time now than I do at home. Wedding is next weekend. This is just graduation. But I do have a doctor in the family. I will try to be angelic to match Rutherford ‘ high standards.

  364. Sorry R, but I’m with ET on this one. I couldn’t get through it. I kept wanting him to shut up so I could learn something. But you are right, Hannity does the same thing. That’s part of why I prefer reading. Books don’t shout back at you.

    Tex, enjoy. For my part, I will try not to write anything that demands response. I do look forward to your return and tales of that wayward drunken uncle that shows up at every wedding. You know the guy, when the toasts begin, all he has to do is stand up and gasps can be heard all around the room because you know something really bad is coming.

    Back to Mathews, I could have used that dogged aggressive whining during the run up to the war, not 12 years later. I think a great deal of the press is attempting to assuage guilt over their blatant lack of journalism at the time. And yes, I was right there with them. Go kill bad guys. The only thing that gave me any pause was Powell in front of the UN, and the world, with sketches. Of course, I quickly disposed of that thought. It was time to kill people for their own good. I think I’ll go digging for some Mathews footage from the time. I bet I’ll either find him prostate at Giuliani’s feet or in a helmet and goggles talking about how cool it is to stand next to a tank.

    Back to Tex, hope no one is coming down from Dallas. Looks like they got hit pretty bad last night.

    Number 9 in the clown car. Pataki is in. Something is surfacing about Sanders and a rape parody, whatever that is. I’m sure this won’t end well.

    James, the Selkirks rise like a dinosaur spine, lower down here, higher to the north. They get the mountain goats, we get the cougars, moose and wolves. It’s pure Palin country. Girls here shoot fuzzy things in the morning and help you torque engine bearings in the afternoon. Unfortunately, it’s also the home of the Aryan Nations and Ruby Ridge. The only black people they ever see are diesel mechanics, before they shower. For the most part very nice people.

  365. Chuckie has been stepping out on Obama.

    Not a full blown journalistic erection, but quite the gush nonetheless.

    “”He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. … He looks for real. … [H]e didn’t fight in a war, but he looks like he does. … We’re proud of our president. … Women like a guy who’s president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president.”

    Must have been the codpiece. Puke.

    Muffy, you’re a woman, right? Did you like the war? Do you like the war?

  366. And you guys wonder why I down play what my current job is.

    The profession is a disgrace. Even if the pervert ratio is only just slightly higher then the normal pervert ratio, say 1%, that could be 1 predator per large school.

  367. G, I truly appreciate your watching the video which I know was hard for you.

    Based on your subsequent quote from Cheney, Matthews did play with the history. It was already clear that Matthews was badgering the witness. That said, I’d expect a professional spook to be able to handle ANY interview with aplomb. Morell seemed rattled.

    So, a follow up question for you. Is it SOP for the CIA to brief the POTUS and not give a damn how he uses the intel? Morell repeatedly said “not my job”. I can see how that could be true. CIA is fact finding, not enforcement. What’s your take?

    P.S. G, I really do appreciate your taking the time. Tingles is like water torture for you. 😊

  368. Or is not supposed to have those thoughts?

    No no no you’re not trapping me in that thought police BS. And I’m not debating with you what your mother already taught you.

  369. Matthews lied, Rutherford cried!

    That was fairly clever. I don’t see why you think Matthews wanted to discredit Morell. Granted he was treating Morell as hostile witness, but he also quoted Morell’s book to further his theory.

    Seriously Tigre, maybe you can infer Matthews motive if you actually watch the damn video. It’s only about 13 minutes.

  370. When the war was progressing, liberals muted their Cheney lied rhetoric. Now that they have made a mess of it the lie charges grow louder.

    I don’t completely agree James. During Obamas inauguration Bush and Cheney (in wheelchair if I recall) were hated men. To my own shame members of the crowd chanted “na na hey hey goodbye”. Much of the public felt Bush had already screwed the pooch. They didn’t need to wait for O to screw it up further.

  371. Would you prefer me to punch you in the mouth, or shake your hand when we meet?

    While I don’t relish a punch in the mouth it’s preferable to your smiling and nodding while I spout what you consider total nonsense, especially if you plan to encounter me on numerous occasions socially.

    So I’ll spell it out since Tigre is confused and so must you be. I assume this neighbor is more than a wave in the street. I’m guessing you’ve helped her in neighborly ways and surely she feels comfortable telling you her business. I can also see why debating her might not be worth your time.

    My problem is with the animosity you expressed here. If it was just Tex drama, you writing with your usual flair, then it hardly matters. But if you truly find this woman so detestable you should studiously avoid contact.

    I’m sure if she read what you thought of her, IN THE MANNER YOU EXPRESSED IT, she’d be very hurt.

    Of course we tolerate people we see casually and we don’t pick fights but the contrast I see between the way you treat the woman and the way you write about her seems, to use your turn of phrase, unchristian.

  372. The tirade rings hollow.

    I almost ended my tirade with P.S. Muffy mind your own damn business. Your boyfriend can defend himself. Seriously I did because I smelled your Tex worship a mile away.

    I was not leading my AAA customers to believe that I was their friend. I treated them politely which was my JOB and later called them assholes which was my right.

    You’re a very stupid woman Muffy. Now that I’ve answered your asinine comparison, you may now go straight to hell, don’t pass go and don’t collect $200.00.

    P.S. You wanna get in the middle of a food fight? Expect to get some ketchup on your blouse.

  373. Bernie Sanders fantasized about women fantasizing about being raped. He was 31 at the time. If Romney had written something like that, he would not have been able to run against Obama. It was bad enough for him with word he may have bullied a classmate when he was 18.

    If I didn’t already know James doesn’t have cable, I’d accuse him of lifting this from Morning Joe. They had this very conversation this morning complete with the Romney observation. 😊

  374. I find these conniptions of Rutherford’s entertaining and awkward at the same time. They’re so random.

  375. Really Rutherford. You made me proud. I might have watched the Morning Joe if we had cable, but we don’t. I feel flattered that we were thinking the same things.

    I am home again after driving through a heavy thunderstorm along a strong windy cold front.
    Yes, the blood lust of victory and frustration did make Cheney and Bush hated men. This is just from memory, and I could be wrong, but I don’t believe the chorus of Bush lies was as loud for years after the election, Now, we are hearing about the lies almost as often as we did before Obama was elected.

    If I were in the administration or a sympathizer and faced the deterioration Obama faces, I would do everything I could to place ultimate blame on Bush. Because I ascribe my motives and actions to them, I stand by what I wrote. I don’t have time to document my hypothesis if I was writing a term paper.

    “Heard it in a Love Song’ is also my favorite Marshall Tucker song.

  376. James I think you’ve missed the true reason behind the reemergence of the “Bush lied” meme. It is less a deflection from Obama than it is an attempt to preemptively discredit Jeb. Also, if the admin allowed the public to believe they’ve dropped the ball, that tarnishes Hillary.

    Obama may still care about his “legacy” but I bet you many around him are thinking about 2016.

  377. Leave it to Bernie to write some misogynistic shit and then 40 years later run against a woman.

    How much you wanna bet someone on Team Clinton dug up that shit?

  378. “Seriously Tigre, maybe you can infer Matthews motive if you actually watch the damn video. It’s only about 13 minutes.”

    I said I couldn’t watch it all the way through. Would 11 minutes of it be okay? That’s about where I had to locate a bucket to puke.

    Jesus, R. It’s redundant and not heavy. It’s cheap, misleading, theatrical, and frankly intellectually offensive. Sorry to burst your bubble. This was not stimulating. It was misleading. You having found it so gratifying without having questioned what Matthews was so obviously trying to circumvent is kind of humorous.

    Go back and look at the points where Matthews interrupts than demands acquiescence. There’s a pattern. Can you see it? It’s always context and who was responsible for “intervening” to correct the record. Now we know it was Cheney himself after the fact.

    G’s google find makes clear what was going on.

    MSNBC knows all it takes for you to unquestioningly get riled up and self-righteous. Even Thor said he wanted to hear the answers. It was head pounding because it is so obvious Matthews didn’t want them. Not “didn’t care.” He didn’t want them. What is it with you and the damn MSNBC raging. You’re almost always made the fool and keep going for it.

    As for attacking Morell, I believe he has been unkind to HRC on Benghazi and critical of Obama. I suspect this was a much to tear him down as dredge up the Cheney is evil manipulator bullshit. Is there some question that he was trying to discredit him on the one hand while presuming credibility on the other when it suited his purpose?

  379. Regarding Tex’s neighbor, I haven’t a clue what the fuck you’re yammering about. There is no “thought police” trap. Jesus. Your comment doesn’t make sense and my Momma never told me not to be friendly to neighbors I didn’t like.

    But I do know this: whatever your issue is with it isn’t worth discussing. I wish I hadn’t jumped into it even though you put it out there for everyone.

  380. The intelligence community (IC) is sensitive to how the assessments the IC develops are used, but ultimately, POTUS is the customer and how they use it is up to them. One of the greatest concerns the IC has is the loss of relevance. If POTUS, or senior executive policymakers in general, stop using the intelligence, then things can get really bad, really quick. Two examples: JFK minimize the use of intelligent reporting and relied on a small group of close advisors to guide him on foreign policy and military matters. That for the most part resulted in bad decisions which led to consequences that were unacceptable to US foreign policy. Secondly President Obama uses his daily intelligent brief less than 50 percent of the time. That led to poor foreign policy decisions in Libya. Poor foreign policy decisions in Syria. Poor foreign policy decisions in Iraq. And poor foreign policy decisions in the Ukraine. To answer your original question, you have seen the intelligence community push back against President Obama more than any other president in recent memory, predominately because he is consistently trying to blame the intelligence community for his poor foreign policy decisions, even though the intelligence community has accurately and timely warned him on the decisions that he has made.

    So yes, the IC will push back against POTUS, or any policy maker, who abuses intelligence and clearly misrepresents what the intelligence community has assessed. But that is rare and not something that the intelligence community is quick to do because of their concerns about access to the White House in general and their ability to influence policymakers, as is their responsibility.

  381. “Obama may still care about his “legacy” but I bet you many around him are thinking about 2016.”

    That’s all MSNBC cares about. It is a propaganda channel. Everything has an end game. Of course it’s about 2016. Obama’s legacy isn’t the concern. It’s what’s next for the dems that MSNBC cares about. The narrative will emerge in due course and Matthews’ objective in treating Morell as he did will be clear. Then, like the stupid soldiers you described, you’ll know what to do.

  382. “I don’t see why you think Matthews wanted to discredit Morell.”

    Wait. You don’t think he did?

    I see you didn’t watch the vid.

    Verbatim:

    Q: “why didn’t you raise your hand and call Cheney was misrepresenting what he was told?”

    A: “that’s not my job”

    Q: “so you could’ve stopped it but you didn’t?”

    A: “that’s not my job.”

    Q: “Not you’re job. I had friends (or some shit) that wouldn’t have agreed to go to war if Cheney hadn’t said that. You could’ve stopped it but you didn’t? You new he was a evil manipulating liar that wanted to see dead babies and you like Nazi soldier you just went with it? I see.”

    A: “are you done yelling at me? There’s a chick sitting to my left that is saying what you want and you don’t interrupt and shout at her so I’ll just sip my coffee and wait for this to end.”

    Q; “I’m not done shouting at you and distorting the facts until I know Rutherford is so worked up he starts losing bowel control.”

    Or something like that.

  383. LOL That was good Tigre. Seriously I knew Matthews was brow beating him. It was obvious. But Morell’s acquiescence was surprising. Again, wouldn’t you have expected him to handle Matthews a bit better?

  384. Well, he is trying to sell a book. Doesn’t want to scare off all the other talking heads on the circuit.

    James and R, Heard it in a Love Song is pretty good but Can’t You See is my favorite MTB song. If you like that stuff then you might like Amie and Early Morning Riser from Pure Prairie League.

    James, we had a pretty good one blow in here tonight. Kind of stuff we don’t usually see until July. Seems like our weather has been about a month ahead all year.

    I think the intelligence community doesn’t want to be the whipping boy again for a long time. They probably will be quick, if necessary, to push back against the next president as well, whoever she is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, if FP actually becomes the bigger issue in 2016. Although HRC will be dogged by Libya and Iraq, she at least knows the machinations of State and the other players on the world stage. Graham and to a lesser degree, Paul are the only ones with any FP chops in the clown car, so far.

    R, since my release, I’ve noticed that the R-Muffy intersection on the Venn diagram of this modestly contentious blog has become quite bitter. No judgment, just an observation.

    “I think you restated my point then placed it in a high speed centrifuge of circular logic — extracting what I don’t know. But it radiates pain.” – ET

    🙂 🙂
    I know that was a ways back but still, very funny. Reminds me of Big Bang when Sheldon tries to ask AFF to be his girlfriend without really asking her to be his girlfriend and she replies, ok but now try it without the quadruple negative. 🙂

  385. Yes, Thor, I like “Amy” by the Pure Prairie League and some of their other songs. It is funny to see old tapes of Vince Gill with shoulder length hair. I don’t think Vince had joined the band yet when they sang “Amy”, but he has sung the song.

    It interested me that Vince Gill and Amy Grant eventually married. Amy began as a contemporary gospel singer, I watched her sing “Angels” on the 1985 Grammy Awards show and thought “My God!”

    It was just a song, but it featured angels more than my Methodist training did. Later, I read how some Europeans, especially in the North, still at one level resent the imposition of a Middle Eastern desert religion i on dwellers of the dark forests They kept some of their pagan ways and for generations worshiped old gods with God just to be sure.

    Kerli from Estonia believes angels and fairies guide her. Jesus doesn’t seem as important to her. She would approve of “Angels”.

    Now you know how driving a tractor or combine back and forth across the same fields for 10 or 15 hours a day to the beat of AM/FM radio during busy seasons warped my mind,

  386. R, I agree Tex is on another roll. I bet it’s because he’s going to be the Father of the Bride and rather than let the tears fall because he is losing his baby girl he is lashing out the only way he knows. It’s better that he comes and kicks someone in the bar because we know he doesn’t kick the dog.

    Thor I commend your efforts. Normally I stop reading when Tex goes on his rampage because I can just change the name from Thor to Rutherford, Poolman, Raji, Pfessor/Parker.

    Just for “shits and giggles” I took one of Tex’s lashings to me and just changed the name to read:
    “Seriously TEX you strike me as a user, a taker, amoral, an ingrate with a superficial knowledge of your pocketbook, but a 3rd world mentality of morality like Obama.I’m afraid I would have to classify you as real liability.”

  387. All roads lead to the Clintons, thor. I wouldn’t be surprised.

    Thanks for the weather report, Thor.

    I came home as a strong cold front crossed the interstate. Temperatures fell from the low 80’s to 50’s with the wind shifting to north west at about 35 MPH.A broken line of thunderstorms erupted in less than an hour and entertained me with brief rain so heavy some cars pulled over to the side of the road.

    My wife was still there after I left. As the thunderstorm hit, our grand daughter wasn’t satisfied until my wife drew the blinds so our grand daughter could watch the storm from her high chair as she ate. I have corrupted her.

    It was irrational, but I never really liked Dennis Hastert.

    Rutherford, I agree Jeb Bush was one of the targets, logically the main one, Republicans being asked what they would do in 2003 is another part of the attack. However, If I were the Obamaites, I would be painting every potential rival with the lie meme, because regardless of the political damage it would remove some of the stain of failure attaching itself to Obamas’ legacy. I would also be using the media and the government to hide my economic failures.

    Sometimes personalities influence how defiant someone is in the face of attack from someone like Chris Mathews or Bill O’ Riley.. Remember how Romney wilted as Obama gleefully used Candy Crowley to contradict Romney on Obama’s terrorist comments. Crowly later admitted that Romney was more right than advertised.

  388. Rutherford – greetings from NYC. Spent yesterday in meetings, but did get down to the Ground Zero Park and had a wonderful steak in a hole-in-the-wall restaurant in Hell’s Kitchen last night. Great town, full of happy people. Feels safe, too. Folks out after dark just strolling in Times Square last night. Maybe the best town on the planet.

    The US Market is not looking good; time to get in your holes and pull them after you. Soros and all the hedge-fund managers are buying S&P 500 puts out the yin-yang. And of course those at the bottom will suffer the most. Nice system. Send your thanks to Hussein and Paul Whats-is-name at the NY Times.

    Raji – don’t worry too much about Clytie/Slack – he’s just in his manic phase – if they can get him back on meds, he’ll be fine. Just a spoon full of sugar makes the lithium go down. It’s good to see the US no-fail policy for doctors in training doesn’t include psychos; at least he/she is out of THAT system.

    Cheers,

  389. “That’s all MSNBC cares about. It is a propaganda channel. Everything has an end game.”-ET

    Seriously ET doesn’t that statement apply to all MSM?

  390. Seriously ET doesn’t that statement apply to all MSM?

    Yes it does. The CIA and MSM are pretty much the same group nowadays. Of course if you pronounce them ALL propaganda outlets, it renders Tigre’s statement toothless. 😀

  391. I was watching one of the propaganda outlets for a few minutes last night. The wife likes to catch the snews and weather and from my office I heard the lead in that caught my interest. They aired a ‘protest’ downtown for some Mohammad drawing contest. There was maybe a hundred people between ‘both sides’. holding signs with a police line of probably 25 officers in swat gear between them. What a staged piece of shit AND getting national coverage! Makes me sick people actually believe this crap is real. This current campaign throughout the southwest timed as it is and in conjunction with the Geller bullshit is so superficial it is easy to spot. I wonder who is paying these protesters? Ultimately we are all paying the price.

    There are times when I wonder why the ground just doesn’t open up and swallow some of these folks, but then I remember we are under grace. Patience is a virtue frustratingly obtained.

  392. What else are you going to do with all that outrage over Cheney lied?

    I am sure there is a special eternal place reserved for the Cheney – Halliburton types, once their plastic hearts give out. I don’t hold any animosity toward them. It’s better to forgive, bless, and move on. I don’t like carrying a lot of weight around, and hate can get pretty heavy.

  393. 103 yesterday, James. Expecting 106 today and 107 tomorrow. But the humidity was 6 percent yesterday, so it felt like 95. 🙂

    We started with clear skies, then they put some clouds up in the east and some in the west that drifted in. They fill our skies almost daily with so many nano particulates that we have silvery blue hues to look through anymore. I have been documenting it for a year and a half. The sizes of the particulates are smaller than the EPA has equipment to measure. It’s like trying to use a large mesh fish net to scoop up guppies, they slip right through. It no longer angers me that they do it and we all breathe and absorb such. Some claim it to be mostly fly ash from coal plants. They have to get rid of it somehow, right?

    Anyway, I refuse to give into the fear/anger frenzy that demons feed on. Starve them out of existence is my present plan. 🙂

  394. Frankly Raji, you’re the biggest coward on this board. You got a problem with me, old woman? Tough shit. I don’t like you and your little smarmy act. And I think you’re phony as hell.

  395. “Seriously ET doesn’t that statement apply to all MSM?” Raji

    You could. And that would seem pretty on target. Until you actually watch MSNBC and realize it’s on an unparalleled level. It’s an infomercial. Makes Fox seem impartial and sports radio seem smart.

    It ranges from pathetic, to funny to chilling.

  396. Raji – don’t worry too much about Clytie/Slack – he’s just in his manic phase – if they can get him back on meds, he’ll be fine. Just a spoon full of sugar makes the lithium go down.

    You’re another coward, Pfisser. I don’t think your charges hold much water in making a diagnosis.

    You got the unmitigated gall to call me manic with fucked up brigade you’re latched on to? Let’s see? You’re a failure as a doctor so they ran you out, you’re married to the proverbial loose hussy, how many times has she been rode hard I reckon?, and your kids are a bunch of dysfunctional weasels that your dropping a load trying to find something for a career.

    Yeah, I think that about covers it. There’s a swinging granny you and the poor queen can hitch a ride with on the board with a big red bulls eye smelling of curry, assuming you can get it up.

    That manic enough for you, Pistol Pete?

  397. Anybody that believes all of the MSM is the same is a moron. Let’s see. We’ve got Charles Krauthammer and General Jack Keane on one side (the guy that actually created the surge battle plan), and we’ve got Larry O’Donnell and Al Sharpton on the other.

    Now to giants like Raji and her genius, all one and the same. You can’t carry on a rational discussion with stooges like that.

  398. All the pieces on a chessboard don’t look or act the same. That doesn’t mean they aren’t all part of the same game. Now get back to your real life and quit working yourself up. Try to enjoy life for a change. 😛

  399. R, since my release, I’ve noticed that the R-Muffy intersection on the Venn diagram of this modestly contentious blog has become quite bitter. No judgment, just an observation.

    “Since my release” LOL, didn’t know you just returned from the Big House. That explains your long absence. 😊

    Muffy and I have a tense acquaintanceship. She had a revelation a couple of years ago that I’m a no-good hypocrite and religious bigot and it’s been a wild ride ever since.

    I’d love to have an improved association with Muffy in this tiny corner of the Net but as long as her tone remains as it is, she’ll get a similar response.

  400. But if you truly find this woman so detestable you should studiously avoid contact. I’m sure if she read what you thought of her, IN THE MANNER YOU EXPRESSED IT, she’d be very hurt.

    Serious question, fully admitting I have very little patience with stupidity and one hell of a temper when the time calls.

    If Beverly Raji came to my door in tears, explained there is water running out on her floor, lived by herself, explained she can’t get the water turned off at the meter, and said the plumber couldn’t be there for hours…Now telling you that, understanding my neighbor doesn’t have the strength to do that.

    Would you prefer I close the door in Beverly’s face, debate the nuances of how she is wrong about Dick Cheney, tell her I don’t like her, her act, her politics?

    Or should I simply grab a wrench and turn off the water? That just happened this spring. I even put a damn plug on the line under the sink so she could get on with her life and have water until the plumber got there. Beverly Raji didn’t ask me to do that – I volunteered.

    I guess if I was a liberal like you, I would have charged her for it. Honesty and all, since I got better things to do with my time.

    However, I always thought the sign of real decency was doing right by someone in spite of not liking the person? What am I missing? Do you think ‘Beverly’ is coming over to me to continually ask for help because I act like a bully, an asshole, act insane, and I am manic? 😈

    I suppose you could in fairness call me a back stabbing skunk, but it’s not like y’all know this woman.

    I said one harsh word to the woman in 12 years and that was one day when I couldn’t avoid her mowing the lawn and she wouldn’t get her foot off the gas about the evils of the Iraq War. I use Raji as example because I suspect Raji ain’t much different than Beverly – a doctorate in ungracious hypocrisy and is one of these passive aggressive, cowardly types that has absolutely no understanding of personal relationships, never realizing how truly offensive she is.

    I ask in all honesty. You really think I should be absolutely honest with ‘Beverly’ while doing my soul searching? Or should I just smile like I do, say hello when I see her, cut her stupidity off nicely while changing the subject, mutter under my breath and help an old woman out? Frankly, I think a couple of her kids have even grown tired of her act. I don’t see them over here doing the lifting – and I know her own daughter-in-law feels the same way I do. She volunteered it one day out of frustration with her mother-in-law in the driveway.

    Good grief, no wonder my patience wears thin with some of you imbeciles. Stupidity = temper = big mouth.

    I’m going to be absolutely honest with you, Rutherford. You must be one awkward SOB to be around – and I ain’t talking about your scooter. And I suspect you can be a bully in your own right. Tell you one thing I don’t do that I bet you do.

    Take advantage…

  401. Is this the part where I should broach the subject of Raji having to be your sock puppet, Huck your brother, Poolman your pal, and Pfesser Parker your lover?

    Or do you think it’s the intersection of two groups of people with two different world views that have paired off?

    You’re always whining about you being piled upon. But if you give real consideration, I fight tooth and nail with as many people on this board as you do.

    Can I start whining about Poolman being vicious now? 🙂

  402. Try to enjoy life for a change.

    Is there an emoticon where I can signify putting my hands on my belly while I laugh out loud? Poolman, I get psychoanalyzed around here more than you do.

    Here’s some advice. Consider this one for free. Don’t use Raji as your shrink. 😉

  403. Candy Crowley nitpicked Romney and thereby damaged the credibility of journalist debate moderators. I cheered at the time but in retrospect it wasn’t cool.

  404. Thor, have you ever seen the short Romney documentary? If not, you should. More than an anyone, it would be good for you to see more accurate side of the guy and his family. Your cartoonish view is really off kilter.

  405. Until you actually watch MSNBC and realize it’s on an unparalleled level. It’s an infomercial.

    Sorry, I’ve watched both and you’re full of crap. They’re about equal in their bias. I doubt you’ve really watched either to any degree. You don’t strike me as the couch potato type.

    You’re just parroting El Tigre who watches more MSNBC than I do.

  406. @ Thor given her resume perhaps HRC should pass on POTUS and go to work @ FIFA.
    Seriously, I can’t comprehend how anyone can support her. Polishing that particular turd before the folks in the “clown car” are formally vetted by We the People seems premature.
    For crying out loud the LAST POTUS with true FP chops was George HW Bush. Prior to that you have to dial it back to Ike.
    Its all OJT folks and that’s not the worse thing on the planet as the office is ultimately more about making informed decisions than being a know it all.

  407. Tell you one thing I don’t do that I bet you do.
    Take advantage…

    Not sure what that means but you’re sure as hell taking advantage of your wife’s good will and generosity. Now I don’t doubt that she is a fully willing participant in the arrangement. That doesn’t mean you’re not taking advantage. I spent a few years trying to make a dime under my own auspices while my wife kept us whole. I finally woke up and realized it just didn’t feel right. Even if these crap jobs I’m doing only earn grocery money, they’ve restored some self respect that I lost while waiting for customers for my own gig.

    You don’t want to hear this but you need a job. Not financially like me, but for your own dignity. 20 hours a week. I swear Tex you’ll feel better and your wife will get a kick out of it – particularly if you take a weird ass job like AAA dispatcher.

    Of course you should help your neighbor and where my analysis was wrong is that you probably like her. For some reason, you’re addicted to vitriol on the net. The nastier the better. You get off on it somehow. And you do go in phases. You get off the ad hominem drug for a bit and then you relapse. I’ve witnessed it for 7 years now.

    I’m dead serious. You’re an old fashioned guy like I am. You believe in men earning a living. You don’t really like the current arrangement. Get a job dude. Even a tiny one. You’ll feel better.

    I should probably have written this to you privately so perhaps you might believe I’m sincere.

  408. I’ve watched them both. Neither are fair. But MSNBC abysmal in it’s coordination with the DNC and WH. Morning Bubbles used to have direct texts and tweets from the WH as they broadcast to control the messaging.

    And when it comes to the Matthews shouting, Hannity’s wretched but Fox is nowhere near as bad. Fox will at least try to let guest’s opposing viewpoints be heard, even though they will ultimately get drowned out.

    I challenge R to find me a clip like O’Donnell challenging Mitts son to a fist fight. Putrid, yet safely delivered to its adherents like R.

    MSNBC has Sharpton on for fuck’s sake.

  409. Alfie MSNBC technically has both. The entire evening is punditry. Probably too much of the daytime is too but Andrea Mitchell and Thomas Roberts do news blocks. Morning Joe does a mix of reporting and pontificating. Scarborough is the only card carrying conservative on the network and he reminds viewers of that constantly.

    I don’t doubt most here consider Scarborough a RINO.

  410. For once I agree with Tigre. The Romney doc made me ashamed for some of the venom I threw his way. Of course the doc is a manipulation as all docs are, but you still get a sense of the man’s core decency … and maybe that he really is not cut out for politics.

  411. R, with the same sincerity as the advice you’ve offered Tex, go volunteer your time and do something good for others. I mean something tangible and that will give you some real connection and satisfaction. You have too many excuses and proxies. You often say you lack the resources or capabilities and that’s pure hokum.

    I work with a guy that reads for the blind — legal text for cryin’ out loud. He’s been doing it for years and I just learned about it. 5-6 hrs per week. I said it had to be exhausting and he said, “no, not really. It’s good exercise for courtroom oration.”

  412. Alfie, if HRC had made the SoS job more than a celebrity tour she’d be a better candidate. Fiorina is right. Carly has probably ACHIEVED more with foreign leaders than HRC has.

    If HRC wins the nomination I may have to do a write-in candidate thing in November ’16 and let the chips fall where they may.

  413. “Of course the doc is a manipulation as all docs are, but you still get a sense of the man’s core decency … and maybe that he really is not cut out for politics.”

    This confounded me.

    At first I wanted to respond that “his core decency is why he’s cut out for politics.”

    Then I caught myself on the obvious retort.

    Oh I do wish we had some decent people in leadership positions. It seems to be self-excluding.

  414. “You’re just parroting El Tigre”

    I don’t parrot El Tigre. I violently scoop him up like Martín Gramática and make him be my human ventriloquist doll.

  415. Neither are fair. But MSNBC abysmal in it’s coordination with the DNC and WH.

    OMFG!!!! It was documented that the W WH was feeding talking points to Fox.

    Come on man! I’ll give you msnbc’s shortcomings but you gotta stop the distortion.

    And I’ve actually witnessed Mika say on the air “just got a message from [fill in the blank] saying our reporting is wrong”. She’s TRANSPARENT about folks trying to influence the show!

    Have you noticed how Mika, the supposed DNC shill has been talking about Hillary? She barely contains her contempt.

    BTW, I have a theory about that. Mika is Zbigniev’s daughter. Zbig worked for Carter who according to legend hates Clinton. I bet Mika heard a lot of Clinton-smack growing up.

  416. Tigre on the volunteer thing, how can I argue with you? Of course it’s time well spent. I’ve become reclusive in my middle age. Would take a lot to get me out there. But your suggestion is right on and I don’t dismiss it.

  417. Tigre it’s hard for a decent man to withstand the shit that comes with politics. I always considered Ann Romney a very angry woman but the doc helped me understand why. She couldn’t bear to see the man she loved torn apart. She also was not cut out for politics.

  418. “Have you noticed how Mika, the supposed DNC shill has been talking about Hillary?”

    Mika is an idiot that acts like a teenager waiting outside the hotel when the Beatles arrive.

    Hey, I don’t watch much Fox because I get sick of the bullshit, and fast. (though Megan Kelly has captured my attention some — and I’ve seen her go off on right-wing bullshit blather). Hannity more than any other is just grating.

    Seen and dislike both. MSNBC is still way worse.

  419. When a station refers to Rachel Maddow as their “quarterback” – doesn’t that tell you everything you need to know? There’s bias and then there’s right wing bias and then there’s MSNBC. MSNBC is to leftist loons what the food channel is to foodies if the food channel were owned by Pepsi. No Coke.

    Unsurprisingly they’ve recently announced that the Olbermann era is over but the deeper truth is that along with CC (Jon Stewart) they’ve realized that left wing propaganda programming isn’t as appealing with a Democrat in office.

  420. R, there’s a lot of shit you can do even at home. My point on the reading that I forgot to mention was that the recording was done at home. We use electronic Dictaphones now that really kind of cool.

    But I digress.

    You’ve got a Harvard degree in mathematics. A few hours volunteer tutoring? I’ve done that. Doesn’t require much and it’s amazing gratifying.

    I coached a H.S. mock trial team. It was a big commitment but was fun. I was a hero to the kids. They thought I walked on water — and that feels good too.

  421. As of two years ago, even MSNBC didn’t try and pretend they did both (news and punditry). It was only earlier this year that they pledged to cut back on the leftist propaganda programming, starting with canning Reid and somebody else whose name escapes me at the moment. So I don’t know when they did both, technically or otherwise.

    Andrea Mitchell = journalist? No. Shepherd Smith? Brett Baier? Absolutely.

    “Unlike CNN and Fox, MSNBC does not have a full roster of its own correspondents, still relying largely on reporters from NBC News like Chuck Todd and Pete Williams. It does not even have a White House correspondent.”

    http://www.tvweek.com/broadcast/2013/06/msnbc-has-big-ratings-drop-as/

    “At a time of intensely high interest in news, MSNBC’s ratings declined from the same period a year ago by about 20 percent. The explanation, in the network’s own analysis, comes down to this: breaking news is not really what MSNBC does.

    “We’re not the place for that,” said Phil Griffin, the channel’s president, in reference to covering breaking events as CNN does. “Our brand is not that.”

    The brand, one MSNBC has cultivated with success, is defined by its tagline, “The Place for Politics,” and a skew toward left-wing, progressive political talk, the opposite of the conservative-based approach that has worked well for Fox News.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/business/media/devoted-to-politics-msnbc-slips-on-breaking-news.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&src=twr&

  422. Believe it or not, I like Megan Kelly too.

    But you really dodged the Mika question by simply trashing her. Watch her reactions when HRC comes up as a topic.

    You also need to watch her when Joe is not there. It’s like night and day. She really allows him to dominate and it makes her look like a glorified news reader.

  423. Unsurprisingly they’ve recently announced that the Olbermann era is over

    But notice how slow they’ve been to really change anything. They essentially fired Ronan Farrow (was that his name?) and put Joy Reid out to pasture (hallelujah) but the nighttime line up hasn’t budged.

    Look I used to be a huge Maddow fan. Then I caught her manipulating facts and I became disillusioned. She’s still my bedtime ritual partly because her pedantic intros help me fall asleep.

    I did read a piece about her that said she’s unapologetically biased and makes no attempt at objectivity.

    Olbermann’s bombast was entertaining. Those were the glory days.

  424. I happen to like Shepherd Smith but he’s certainly no more a journalist than Andrea Mitchell nor, to my knowledge, does he have her resume.

    The “Fox TV network” does not have a news division nor a nightly newscast the way NBC does. Fox News Channel is their news outlet and therefore has “correspondents”. Why should MSNBC duplicate the resources that already exist at NBC? CNN is its own entity. So the MSNBC/Fox/CNN comparison on a correspondent level is nonsensical.

  425. Not sure what that means but you’re sure as hell taking advantage of your wife’s good will and generosity.

    I can’t make up my mind if you and Huck are just this thick, or just this inane. You throw this up in my face at least three times a week it seems.

    Rutherford, I know you don’t recognize this because you’re the most sheltered person on this board, but in the very worst case scenario, what I did for the first half of this “loafing” would be no different than any home maker in America who stayed home with her kids. Think of a mom that is handy with an air compressor and can occasionally help with AP Chemistry. 🙂 Is the stay at home mom taking advantage of her husband? Is it written in concrete somewhere that men can’t fulfill that role?

    If you want to condemn me now, I suppose I’ll submit. I’m taking advantage of my wife’s generosity to take care of an elderly mother and a sick father whose now dead. My wife and mother have grown quite close after my wife’s mom tragically died too young. Guess who it is that is kicking me in the ass to attend to my mom?

    Before that, I hardly find it taking advantage of generosity two keep my two kids, get them to school, attend the activities, take classes, and attempt to matriculate to medical school while doing so. My wife not being here frankly kept me from having the title of doctor at this minute. You don’t believe me, I’ll send you her email and you can ask her yourself. She says so. Not purposely, but that is what happened.

    So? How many times do I have to say this? If I can’t walk into a professional job immediately, the tax implications alone would dictate I was working for free – certainly at some place like AAA. The only reason I would ever do that is if I would happen to lose my health insurance.

    You could look me with a straight face and say if the situation for you and your wife were comparable, you wouldn’t be doing the same thing?

    Here’s what I think. I think the world changed and you’re still left in the stone age. This isn’t your daddy’s world. Somehow, you’ve got it in your head that a man is defined by his career. That is Pfesser – that’s his one claim to fame. Otherwise, he ain’t much: AWOL father, missing husband, self-absorbed, unhappy drunk.

    You say I don’t get it? I say y’all don’t get it. I say your priorities are backward.

  426. The “Fox TV network” does not have a news division nor a nightly newscast the way NBC does. Fox News Channel is their news outlet and therefore has “correspondents”. Why should MSNBC duplicate the resources that already exist at NBC? CNN is its own entity. So the MSNBC/Fox/CNN comparison on a correspondent level is nonsensical.

    Cut the jive. I’m not going to play word games with you while your point becomes smaller and smaller until it’s no longer recognizable as a point.

  427. Slack/Clytie said:

    “That manic enough for you?”

    Interestingly, one of my oldest clients is in the Freud Squad; I showed it to him, and he just laughed: “You could cut that paragraph out and post it verbatim to ANY psychiatric text as the classic ranting of a patient in manic phase.” (Known to the hoi-polloi as maniacs…)

    Buusssssssstted! Now we really do know how Slack/Clytie got the boot from medical school.

    Rutherford – I didn’t know your degree was in mathematics. Is that true?

  428. Of course you should help your neighbor and where my analysis was wrong is that you probably like her. For some reason, you’re addicted to vitriol on the net. The nastier the better. You get off on it somehow. And you do go in phases. You get off the ad hominem drug for a bit and then you relapse. I’ve witnessed it for 7 years now.

    No, I honestly loathe her and everything she stands for. I help her because my conscience wouldn’t allow me to do otherwise.

    As to the vitriol? Well, of course it is exaggerated to a degree – but it isn’t phases – it is subjects.

    There are a few issues I have no patience. None. I don’t like my faith bashed unfairly, I don’t like the people who defend this country bashed, I don’t like lying propagandists. I don’t like the way George Bush was treated and disrespected, and I didn’t like the Mitt Romney was lied about during the campaign. I may not entirely respect them as politicians and the things I do, but I do respect them as good men and patriots.

    I learned shortly after 9/11, many people in America, hate America. I have no stomach for that either.

    I have given you nothing more than you did for 8 years to George Bush. That last one is political payback for being a traitorous asshole and fink, and you’re obviously not alone. And I haven’t forgottent that.

    And this narcissist is incompetent enough and corrupt enough, I don’t even have to exaggerate the weaknesses like you do. All I got to do is every day, throw the failure in your faces.

  429. Interestingly, one of my oldest clients is in the Freud Squad; I showed it to him, and he just laughed: “You could cut that paragraph out and post it verbatim to ANY psychiatric text as the classic ranting of a patient in manic phase.” (Known to the hoi-polloi as maniacs…)

    Busted? What was one of Freud’s most well known conclusion of his base theories? Projection?

    Well, pass this on to your old client.

    Sigmund Freud was a well known sexual deviant and believed the three branches of humanity’s family tree lay in incest, patricide and cannibalism. In your case, your clients not only define themselves, they define you.

    Who do you really think you’re fooling, old tool? Your depravity is more transparent than Barack Obama’s narcissism. I need not be a trained psychiatrist to figure you out. You’re an open book.

    The reason you hate me is I can play the game you bragged yourself a pro better than you can, proved it to you one Sunday afternoon when you went into your incestuous rage, and you imploded. Your massive ego can’t tolerate that.

    If you want to play again, I’m game. But perhaps you better call the FBI first in case you get wasted again?

  430. “Muffy and I have a tense acquaintanceship. She had a revelation a couple of years ago that I’m a no-good hypocrite and religious bigot and it’s been a wild ride ever since.

    I’d love to have an improved association with Muffy in this tiny corner of the Net but as long as her tone remains as it is, she’ll get a similar response.”

    We don’t have a tense anything and I’ve had no such revelation about you. You are indeed a judgmental religious bigot and a world class hypocrite, to which your own words testify almost daily. But that’s not why I don’t like you. I have a few liberal friends remaining after the 2012 purge of the most objectionable of them, and quite a few acquaintances. Call it an occupational hazard. We get along fine as long as I let them do all the talking and nod and smile and then go home and talk in private about what morons they are. I could do the same with you but I choose not to. I’m not asking you to change either.

    I don’t like you because there is no friend of mine who is also a friend to the depraved Pfesser. It’s that simple.

  431. I don’t like you because there is no friend of mine who is also a friend to the depraved Pfesser. It’s that simple.

    It’s interesting that Pfesser just can’t let go of you, “Clytie”, even when the attempt at wrath is originally directed toward me.

    It was bad enough that another man one day hammered that mountainous but fragile ego. I would wager the fact you’re just “a little woman” who slices and dices that megalomania even better than I do, makes it all the more intolerable.

    Something else interesting is I can predict with a fair degree of accuracy when Pfesser reappears. If there is some heated discussion between me and ABC, Pfesser will more often than not appear soon thereafter. He needs help. 🙂 If there is some news of Christian transgression or what he believes is bad news to Christianity. Bingo, there he is. Pfesser Parker has been outcast to drive by troll, resigned to the same puerile insults. Whatever the man’s talents, it sure isn’t originality or surprise. He was, is and probably always will be an utter bore.

    Raji is proverbial light the dog shit in a bag, ring the doorbell, run – hardly worth pursuing; lame and mostly uninformed.

    But the ironic thing this time, is the “vitriol” this time started with a conversation I had with Thor which was actually pretty civil if someone were to reread it. It really was a debate without real personal insult, and when there was, it was obviously said in jest.

    Remember when the doctor used to demand Queensbury rules? How it was ruining this board? Completely deluded from years of strong drink without purpose. He can put on the bright face all he wants in his world travels, but he can’t run far enough from the most obvious.

    Pfesser’s a miserable old man without purpose and hope. He’s out of time.

  432. Actually Tex I bring up your living arrangements very seldom because I consider it very intrusive. But you triggered it by saying I “take advantage”. Oh God, if I do, I’m not very good at it.

    I’m not referring to your stint as “Mr. Mom”. I do believe that has value and if my wife could pull down 80k a year I’d consider it. Very little around the house I can’t do beyond my own laziness. I’m referring to your current situation.

    Finally I’m not buying your wife’s culpability in your med school experience. You told us all here yourself you felt it was a young man’s game.

    Look you’ll obviously do what floats your boat and I fully understand it’s none of my goddam business. But of all the people you have encountered, I’m the wrong person to accuse of taking advantage.

    In fact, the comment should have made me smile because my mother used to RAGE at people taking advantage. When I was a kid I threw pencils at a kid weaker than I was. When my mom found out, she sat me in the middle of the living room and threw pencils at my head for five minutes to see how I liked it.

  433. Cut the jive.

    If you thought that was word games you, again, aren’t terribly bright.

    But I’m a nice guy and I’m willing to tutor you per Tigre’s suggestion.

    Do you know what a TV network is? Used to be only three major ones, CBS, ABC and NBC. Each had its own news division including nightly broadcasts. CNN debuted as an all news network with no interest in pure entertainment programs (e.g. The Andy Griffith Show) and it was only available on cable.

    I believe it was the 80’s that Fox launched a network to rival the big 3 but they didn’t establish a news division unlike their competitors. In the cable sphere, Fox launches FCN which essentially becomes Fox’s sole news presence with correspondents. Also we get MSNBC in the cable sphere but they’ve already got sister network NBC to pull correspondents from.

    So let’s summarize:
    CNN dedicated to news. Obviously has correspondents.
    FCN dedicated to news and its sister network has no correspondents to contribute to it.
    MSNBC doesn’t need correspondents because it has a sister network it can rely on.

    Anyone who compares MSNBC vis-a-vis correspondents to Fox and CNN doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

    That’s not word games it’s fact.

  434. “I don’t watch either channel block but does msnbc even have news or is at all punditry? I know Fox technically has both. -Alfie”

    Like I said, Rutherford, word games. Jive talking. Late night rap session rhetorically proximate to bullshit in the real world.

    You’d better hope I continue to pull my punches in the face of your lippy talk of your supposed intellectual superiority. There are plenty of chinks in your armor regarding wisdom, productivity, independence, life choices, and whatnot.

  435. I didn’t know your degree was in mathematics. Is that true?

    Yes but don’t put a lot of stock in it. Sunk my gpa like the titanic. I should have changed majors but didn’t for odd reasons.

  436. I have given you nothing more than you did for 8 years to George Bush.

    If that “you” is me, your math is off. I opened the saloon in 2007 near the end of Bush’s “regime” (LOL). You must have been reading another Rutherford for 6.5 years.

  437. Raji is proverbial light the dog shit in a bag, ring the doorbell, run – hardly worth pursuing; lame and mostly uninformed.”-Tex

    Then why do you spend so much time pursuing ?!?
    Not so lame any more but thanks for asking.
    I’d be a lot more informed if you would share more nuggets of information than wasting your time on vitriol.

  438. I don’t like you because there is no friend of mine who is also a friend to the depraved Pfesser. It’s that simple.

    Every now and then the absurdity of the net reveals itself.

    A true friend of mine posted maybe three comments here over the years. My wife has posted maybe twice and once I believe was to tell you all I was in the hospital but not dying. My brother in law has posted a few times (to the delight of many – he’s anti-gun-control). My long time friend Ajax has posted here to a much smaller welcome.

    My point is these are my friends. They really KNOW me. It’s an overstatement to call anyone else here friend or foe. Only two people presented themselves with such relentless insult that I could honestly say “I don’t like them”, Elric and Noah.

    So Pfesser is neither friend nor foe. 90% of the time we discuss politics and I agree with roughly 50% of PF’s politics. He’s a social liberal and so am I. He’s a fiscal conservative which I am not.

    Frankly Muffy you’d make more sense disliking me for being a hypocrite and religious bigot than any presumed affinity with PF.

    BTW, you purged most of your lib friends in 2012? That’s a sweeping move. I think the main reason we don’t get along is that you’re a puzzle. So I am being attacked by a puzzle and I attack back. I have a sense of Tigre, Tex, Huck, Alfie, Rabbit, Poolman, Thor, James and PF/Parker but I haven’t the foggiest idea who you are.

  439. Finally I’m not buying your wife’s culpability in your med school experience. You told us all here yourself you felt it was a young man’s game.

    Yes, it is a young man’s game. A young man whose life is not complicated by life’s other complexes and dedicated to nothing but med school. However, I think you misunderstood my wife’s culpability.

    Rutherford, I hadn’t volunteered that before because my wife felt a tremendous amount of guilt. And frankly, it’s not a damn bit of your business or anyone else here for that matter. But since I keep having this thrown up in my face, I’ll explain – the most boring comment I have ever posted. Everyone but you should stop reading right here. Nothing I have told you is untrue. But it is incomplete.

    It became readily apparent by the end of the first block that I couldn’t attend med school properly. So medical school always came last – which was alright with me because I grew to where I hated it. There were times I collapsed into bed at 1:00AM, only to get up at 5:00AM and begin cramming for the quiz given virtually every day. That was four days a week, test quizzes premised on not allowing students to fall behind. One class, nothing more than a 4 hour course was particularly eating my lunch. I was passing, but it was interfering with everything else. I had not had the benefit of taking Histology like most students and was immediately a million miles behind the curve from the start. The class which is generally considered the easiest of 1st year, 1st semester medical school classes most places was an absolutely bitch were I attended. Half the class flunks the first test. I did not. But the preparation was putting me in an early grave. What I could do as a 22 year old, I was really struggling as a 47 year old. The only other person anywhere near my age in that class flunked out.

    Med school was easy to postpone. More importantly and selfishly to me, the subject matter tests were always on a Monday morning. At least at my med school, Tuesday-Thursday was basically 8-4/5 lecture, Monday afternoons and after hours, dissection of a cadaver. Friday was half a day. We generally spent Friday afternoons and even evenings dissecting. You don’t complete the dissection, the pressure is on because in that class, the practical covers every cadaver – you also fail your classmates and our professors warned us, you screw that up and don’t complete the dissection, we’ll make the exams so difficult, nobody will pass. They weren’t joking. Some of those PHDs were total assholes – with a real chip on their shoulder about medical students, some of those students whom would be making four or fives times as much as their instructors within 7-10 years. The only instructors I actually liked were the doctors themselves. I particularly had a problem with the Professor Emeritus of the entire damn college who treated me like I was about 16; literally called me at home one evening because I had the audacity to skip his class to pick a sick child up. I just about told him to shove it up his ass. To be honest, I found med school about as close to a hazing basic training as anything I ever experienced.

    That left late evenings, Saturday and Sunday for rote memorization and the like to prepare for the actual exams. And medical school is like drinking out of a fire house. You can cover an entire book in four weeks. And there is no time for review and going back.

    My wife was only home on weekends. For four months, I stiffed our only time together. We sometimes took a Friday night date. By about November, I was already burnt out. I walked in one Saturday night and said, “Screw it. I’m done.” Flushed five years, reasonably high paying career, and a whole lot of money down the drain. When I walked out, I knew my career was over.

    My wife knew if she had been there, I would have continued. She felt terrible, even started to cry. And I think you conveniently forget she was in Tulsa when I first started this pursuit. I was passing the classes – not top, not bottom. But I hated every last minute of it because I never had time to enjoy some time together with my wife. Yes, I was naive.

    Now in retrospect, this year I would have been a licensed physician. A licensed physician in need to two knee replacements, my net worth reduced to the tune of at least a couple of hundred thousands dollars, in an occupation not nearly as altruistic as I imagined. And doctors do not make what you think.

    Do I regret the decision? Like nothing else I have ever done. This was me buying the mansion we couldn’t afford. I learned a tremendous amount of science. That’s kind of cool. But you’re damn right I have huge regrets. My wife could have easily retired by now, probably five years ago, and money would be no issue – probably forever.

    SO…

    I have learned to put my ego in check. I’m not seeking your approval. My joy comes from my children’s successes. But I have had a great deal of time to think and to reflect.

    There you have it. I’m not talking about this anymore. If you want to call me a dumb ass for pursuing this fool’s errand, I might agree with you. But I can think of a lot more egregious mistakes that many people make and you excuse.

  440. You’d better hope I continue to pull my punches in the face of your lippy talk of your supposed intellectual superiority.

    Don’t threaten me dear. I can take whatever you can dish out. Try as you might you’re actually not Tex. Damn, that man has built me a pair of Kevlar underpants.

  441. Tex, I found your pursuit of a med degree at that age unusual but not dumbassery. And I’ve said repeatedly that financially you are my hero. Financial insecurity is one of the heaviest burdens a man can bear.

    I’m just saying bringing home some bacon, even if it’s just bacon bits, does something for a man’s soul even in post-feminist America of 2015. Take it or leave it.

  442. Then why do you spend so much time pursuing ?!?

    This blog has become my 2 pack day smoking habit. A bad one, sometimes readily admitting to using it to pass the time from boredom, or as on most days, a stop while eating my breakfast and lunch and bed time.

    I don’t pursue you if that was your suggestion. Or no more so if I caught the juvenile doing it, grounding their face in the dirt and letting them up to go home to momma. I’m not sure you believe half of what you post. You choose sides and throw spit balls out from left field while navel gazing to gain a reaction. So, I react. Isn’t that what you want me to do?

    Every once in a while, you still post something of interest and can be clever. But most of the time, it’s to needle. And though I understand now as I’ve given you ample reason and don’t particularly care for your style, that wasn’t always the case.

  443. I’m not raging Rutherstilskin. I am multi-tasking however so I tried to be brief. A tirade is not brief, Hogwarts.

    Alfie the chink comment in the second paragraph was unrelated to your question. The answer is no, btw.

  444. “Frankly Muffy you’d make more sense disliking me for being a hypocrite and religious bigot than any presumed affinity with PF.”

    Well I expect the fact that you’re both invidious bigots does have something to do with it. But I liked you at one time and you didn’t just become a bigot when Pfessssser came slithering in here. Yes, I swept the friend house clean of “the most objectionable” of the intolerant left after the last election, but you were never in the house nor part of the cleansing.

    I use the term “friend” loosely with regard to this place but we both know what I mean. You and Pfesser are like-minded. You have an affinity, and attraction for one another, a kinship. You’re two of a kind. He pulling the wings off of flies and you giggling at his grotesque antics.

    “90% of the time we discuss politics and I agree with roughly 50% of PF’s politics.”

    90% eh, math major? Because the inverse is more like it. Which of his positions on social issues don’t you agree with, I wonder. Eugenics I hope.

    ”Don’t threaten me dear. I can take whatever you can dish out. Try as you might you’re actually not Tex. Damn, that man has built me a pair of Kevlar underpants.”

    Even Tex pulls his punches with you. But thanks for the green light. I’ll remember it next time you forget boundaries in criticizing others.

    “I have a sense of Tigre, Tex, Huck, Alfie, Rabbit, Poolman, Thor, James and PF/Parker but I haven’t the foggiest idea who you are.”

    You have a sense of PF/Parker, eh? Which one, or both? Enlighten me.

  445. Damn….I feel for Biden. That man has dealt with far too much in terms of personal loss. Too much.

  446. I know most people here couldn’t care less but geographically there are 2 who can pretend and me who just love 5 of the original 6 NHL teams….GO BLACKHAWKS!!!!

  447. Why I love the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony: the woman who sang “Do you wanna touch me there” gives a speech on the political importance of rock!

    Green Day got in this year. They played along with Ringo who also got inducted. Do you really think Billie Joe Armstrong thought 25 years ago he’d be playing lead guitar for Ringo?

    Damn, I love rock ‘n’ roll!

  448. I’m sorry but the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is continuing to make itself a joke.

    What has Green Day ever done to warrant being in a “Hall of Fame”? They are no more innovative than they are influential. When’s the last time you ever heard a musician cite Green Day as an influence?

    This has nothing to do with me not liking their music. I don’t particularly like Nirvana, either. But they deserve to be there.

    Green Day doesn’t.

  449. Well of course Huck, I disagree. First, the band has to have recorded their first music 25 years ago. So it has to be artists who have stood the test of time.

    Second after the Who and maybe Pink Floyd, the rock opera died until Green Day brought it back with American Idiot. That album and 21st Century Breakdown proved these guys aspired to be more than just a rock band. Idiot ended up going to Broadway. So I disagree. Perhaps if they stopped at Dookie I could see your point.

    This year I’m not that familiar with the music of some of the inductees. I’ve heard of both Stevie Ray Vaughn and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band but I don’t really know their music. But I wouldn’t discount any of this years inductees. Green Day might be controversial cos they’re so relatively young but I still stand by them.

  450. “I can’t make up my mind if you and Huck are just this thick, or just this inane. You throw this up in my face at least three times a week it seems.”

    Tex, I only bring that up when you insult others over what they do for a living. And you do so often, which makes this comment quite surprising:

    “you’ve got it in your head that a man is defined by his career”

    You’re right. None of that is our business and you certainly did not owe us the explanation. But you have the tendency to use every personal thing you know about a person as an insult against them. And insulting someone about their job, especially when you don’t have one, is almost as low as insulting their spouse and their children.

    You would never throw DR’s son crying over a loss back into his face. But had I been the one to have divulged that personal information, you would have used it against me a dozen times by now. You essentially called another man’s wife a whore on here and nobody said a fucking word about it because they don’t like they guy, either. Even our resident Troll Patrol was silent.

    I’m no fan of PF’s…but damn, man. That’s some low shit right there. You need to set some personal boundaries. Imagine how you’d react to us questioning what you wife was out doing all those nights away from home (which, make no mistake, is not what I am doing). You know damn well if your story were ours you’d be slinging that back at us.

  451. Rutherford, allow me to introduce you to the late Stevie Ray Vaughan. One of the greatest guitar players of all time.

    He died in a helicopter accident in 1990. A tragic loss.

  452. I was surprised and disappointed that Charlie Watts was not one of the drummers that paid tribute to Ringo. Maybe they didn’t ask him. I hope he wasn’t a petty prick about it.

  453. “You essentially called another man’s wife a whore on here”

    I think you forget the things Pfessor would say about Tex’s wife. Constantly infering that his wife is cheating while away on business.

    Plus the dude turned him in to the FBI and then made attempts to contact us in order to set up some sort of bizarre dual.

  454. To think Lou Reed and by default the Velvet Underground got in at the same time as Green Day, a faux punk rock band for teenage chicks….I don’t know…pretty bad.

    No Lou Reed, no Green Day.

    No Green Day….who cares?

    The Clash was a leftist punk band with pop cross over appeal I could get on board with. I hope they are at least in.

  455. The Hall is a joke because it inducts non rock acts. @dead rabbit The Clash were first round inductees in 2003.