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Two More Thoughts on Baltimore

Now that the riots in Baltimore have died down, there isn’t sufficient drama for the media to stick around so it has faded into the woodwork like most of our problems. When it stops being sexy, we lose interest. Before the Baltimore phenomenon gets too stale, I wanted to throw two ideas out on the table for opinions and debate.

Mandatory High School Graduation

The minimum age at which a child can drop out of school varies state to state. We say as a society that we want our youth to be prepared for life yet we give them the option to not even finish high school (or secondary school as it is sometimes called). I suggest getting rid of the age based limits and make the mandatory requirement grade based. This means every student in the United States must complete grade 12 and receive a high school diploma. Until that time, they will be considered truant if they don’t attend and their parents will be liable. This encourages kids to stay off the street and guarantees a minimum level of preparedness for employment if college is not pursued.

Since the notion of a free college education is no more (both my parents had one), I can’t suggest a mandatory 16 years of education. It is just not practical. Still, better subsidization of college and vocational programs must be pursued.

In Baltimore we’ve got kids with no prospects and nothing to keep them engaged. Education is the antidote to the idle mind.

If Cops Are in a War Zone, Treat Them Like the Military

There has been great disturbance around the militarization of the police in several urban areas. While I understand this, I think the problem is more subtle than the ostentatious armored vehicles. In your most troubled urban areas, police are operating in a domestic war zone. They don’t know from suspect to suspect if they will be fired upon. The stress of this kind of service must be profound.

While we are far from perfect at it, we try to limit the length of time of a single deployment of a soldier in the field. I suggest we start doing the same thing with police in high crime areas. They should be rotated in and out. Perhaps assign them to different neighborhoods every six months. One argument against this would be that it prevents a particular cop from bonding with the community he protects, but let’s be honest. That bonding is not happening now. What we have are burned out cops facing a daily challenge few of us would sign up for. Are there bad cops? Sure there are. However, I suspect there are many well-intentioned cops who have lost their way from sustained exposure to a sick environment. Perhaps if we find a way to give them a break, we can also preserve their sense of humanity and see more humane treatment of suspects as a result?

What do you think? The bar is open.

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733 thoughts on “Two More Thoughts on Baltimore

  1. Fund schools better and kids will stay in them without making it a requirement. Right now inner city schools are often a disgrace.

    On the police angle, I think rotation is interesting but even thinking of there role in military terms is dangerous. The citizens are not the enemy.

  2. We briefly discussed the over use of rules in our society. This may be another case. While mandatory high school is something I have thought would be a good idea, the rule has problems. How would mandatory high school be enforced? Would we need an ominisient police force to enforce order and to catch truants?

    We attended the funeral of an accomplished woman yesterday. She was from California and met her husband at a USO function. After he left the service following WW11, they moved back to our town. Circumstances didn’t let her graduate from high school, so when she was about thirty, she enrolled in our school for two years and graduated. One of her three children was a year behind me.

    This lady died at age 88. She lived in another culture. I don’t even know it would be possible for her to return to high school as she did.

    The stated theory of enforcement around here is that keeping police officers in the same location lets them get to know their communities and allows people to know them. They attend public functions and organize basketball and other games for the local children. It is a way to humanize both sides. I don’t know how the strategy works.
    I agree, burn out can be a problem, but I’m not sure rotating police officers in and out with replacements not understanding or knowing the people will solve many problems.

    We had a similar situation during the Vietnam War. Instead of sending units, many soldiers were deployed singly. They came and left alone and were often transferred out by the time they learned how to survive and to fight the enemy.Too many FNGs hampered our war effort, though we still won most of the battles.How would we prevent it from happening in a big city?

    Maybe your plan would work, but as I wrote I have questions.

    Thanks for the information, Poolman. It is a wonder I don’t have skin cancer. I worked on a river to help put myself through college. Like a fool, I like the others didn’t wear a shirt because the weather was so hot. They tanned. My skin, including the backs of my ears, burned and sometimes blistered. A brown crust which looked a tan formed, but it peeled off and burned again. I always wear long sleeves,long pants, and a hat. Our children and grand daughter have the same problem.

    Your cool weather is associated with a big storm which is causing a blizzard around western Nebraska. I think Denver is or was supposed to have snow. A small area around and including us has a high risk for a tornado.We had drought conditions during the winter and it was dry this spring. Our heavy soil was so hard that as I spaded the ground, I broke our shovel. Last week, around 2 inches of rain fell, so we are all right now.

    I still have beans and a few onions to plant. My wife got many tomato plants for 5 cents a piece, and we are debating about whether to plant them today or to wait for next week. We might have frost while we are in Omaha. The cherries are growing on our trees, and some onions are up. The strawberries are blossoming. I haven’t checked the apples and pears yet, but I am sure they are doing as well as the cherries. Part of our black raspberry patch died, but I have two other smaller ones to compensate.

  3. Worked in rough schools. Can assure everybody the problem isn’t funding. You could spray 100 dollar bills from a fire hose for a week straight and it wouldn’t fix anything.

    Rutherford doesn’t dare ask why the communities are so sick.

    Why weren’t they sick when the KKK had millions of members?

    How didn’t it get sick during slavery?

    I know it’s mothers day, but liberals desperately need to take responsibility for what they did to the black family. So we must talk Fathers.

    Identifying the problem is easy. There are no Dads and the institution of marriage has been replaced by vote harvesting yet socially crippling government.

    Somehow, some way, the family must return to the hood.

  4. Truancy is very hard to enforce. Even worse, when it is enforced, often times the kids who are in the classroom suffer horribly because they now are sitting next to murderous gangsters gone wild.

  5. Poor Rutherford…his socialist idols killed the family and half century later he’s still scratching his head trying to replace the father.

    And they are still going in the wrong direction! Patriarchy is a curse word in intellectual circles.

    Sad thing is his idols destroyed one of the most admirable, creative, resilient and tenacious cultures on Earth.

  6. DR’s right. It’s not about funding at all. It’s about the family.

    Atlanta, Exhibit “A.” More money thrown at our failing schools than damn near anywhere in the country and they are a disgrace.

    R, mandatory completion of HS in the hood is why. . . I rag on you for being out of touch. I find the thought of it laughable and counterproductive.

    Frankly, “forced” anything is not the solution (nor lack of it a cause) for urban blight.

  7. As usual, the listless, reflexive mind of Ajax has it wrong. Baaaahhhh

    If funding were the issue, Baltimore’s 3rd highest per capita expenditure ratio should make Baltimore some of the best schools in America. In actuality, they are some of the worst.

  8. R, as this thread progresses, you are going to see a pattern. I’m referring to comments about the role of government in fixing these types of social problems. My shorthand is you’ll be looking for the usual liberal redistributive shortcuts that are more the cause than the solution.

    There’s a painful truth about your ideology in this that I predict you and guys like Ajax are unwilling to accept.

  9. I don’t have much comment on the police and would defer to somebody like Alfie for expertise, other than to say I wouldn’t want my son (if I had one) to be a policeman for all the tea in China. Like our soldiers, I’m afraid our hustlers, feckless Leftists and politicians (but I repeat myself) have put too much of law enforcement in a no win situation. Paradoxically, I expect police restraint will lead to a further erosion in the inner city where the jungle will become the law, if it isn’t already.

    But an interesting supposition by Rutherford.

    Rabbit is right about truancy. You can fine parents for poor attendance but invariably it’s the very parent who can’t afford school lunches much less fines that receive the fines. We know that doesn’t work. I suppose you could punish the parents, but there’s the matter of money, incarceration rates, and only making a bad situation worse with troubled kids and supervision.

    I’m afraid until you deal with the moral issues of the family and the greater society, public schools will continue to struggle with legions of unteachable, disinterested, incorrigible children, bad parents, crappy administrators, and hell holes of good intent.

    I’ve often wondered if at about the 8th grade, we shouldn’t be offering more alternatives in trade, military training, and the like instead of force feeding our kids a high school curriculum of which too much of it is unnecessary. Much of higher education has become a ruse and the Left never wants to talk about one glaring error in their logic – a college education defers income and expects a payoff in return. That makes the assumption there are jobs to be had at the end of the deferment. And that is something the Barack Obama Presidency has been transparently failed. The unemployment rate doesn’t focus on the quality of jobs – but Barack Obama’s speeches only talk about ‘jobs created.’

    Let’s face facts. Corporations exist to make money. In order to do so, there are two ways to maximize returns: increase revenue or hold expenses to a bare minimum. In many companies, salary and wages are the largest expense. With the advent of cheaper, immigrant labor, corporations are going to drift to the same expertise at a lower cost in professional positions.

    One solution might be to offer corporations a lower tax structure (already the highest in the industrialized world) based on a sliding scale of American citizen/naturalized citizen hires.

    I am not buying this crap about tech companies cannot find enough qualified people. I believe what they really mean is qualified people willing to do the work at far lower salaries.

  10. Your and Ajax’s hearts are in the right place, Rutherford. I’m sure you are awakening to the reality of the toxic sewer politicians you supported have changed a major part of our society into.

    Here is another dose of reality ” Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty had a great fall. All the kings horses and all the kings couldn’t put Humpty together again.”

    It is the culture “stupid.” You voted for the socialist architects of disaster and now you are stuck with it. Mind control is impossible. The flood demonstrated that our Missouri River basin society is superior to what passes for a culture in liberal society and the slums they have helped preserve.

    Two more police officers, one white and one black, were murdered yesterday. Obama sent representatives to speak to the families of thugs who stupidly let themselves be killed by police officers. Do you think Obama will follow suit with the police men who were just doing their duty? Don’t hold your breath.

    As I wrote earlier search for a solution is merely an academic excercise for me. You can’t put Humpty back together without changing the culture.

    Like rabbit, I would never encourage anyone to be a police officer now, nor would I want someone close to me to be a soldier.

    This thread has already run its course because there is no short term solution, and because “I picked it up and I put it back. This time around its gonna be easy ’cause I don’t care.” Carina Dahl.

    “Burn baby burn.”

  11. This might surprise you Rutherford but I am against the militarization of law enforcement. Don’t get me wrong I believe in special response teams and SWAT I just don’t think they should be found in every department. As it is the abundance of SWAT teams has lead to an unfortunate :”if you have it you might as well use it” scenario that has backfired many times.
    In the spirit of your larger proposal on the police I think there is an area regards urban settings you miss. Forget the community policing bonding stuff. Good cops with good contacts and instincts and drive are very important. Not unlike the experienced and squared away NCO in the military you really can’t waffle on fostering the professionalism exemplified by what I’ve mentioned.
    I think something that could be looked at and is something I firmly believe in for both police and fire departments. We need to depart from the 19th and 20th century model of every community having them with the whole hierarchy in place etc. I also don’t like the fiefdom set up of town,city ,county and state law enforcement. I think it all needs a rethink & shakeup.

  12. On the schools I think there are many things that can be done to improve them. Again the 19th and 20 th century model we have isn’t cutting it any longer. Again towns need to not be districts upon themselves. There needs to be more choice and paradigm shifts such as more independent charter schools and I think we could either “privatize” or charter standing public schools. We also have to fund schools of excellence. In the Boston system there were three schools that you needed to test into via the SSAT. (Boston Latin,Boston Latin Academy and Boston Tech). Kids could come from all over the city providing the tested in. The BPS also had magnet schools which were sadly overlooked when the city went through its desegregation follies.
    These are tools I think a new model and new perspective on schooling could use.
    I agree with rabbits Benjamins spraying firehose comment. I also add my voice to the position that you can’t put schools into the position of being prisons where the kids are forced to do the time. Its counterproductive to what you want actually. Get the good kids regardless of race,creed or $$$ background safe schools where they can learn,dump the others onto the streets and within a generation the chaff will be eliminated.

  13. Tex….there is so much of that unchecked bigotry on the left.

    Sure, it exists on the right….but there is a land side, including an arsenal of lawyers, to rightfully shut it down. Hell…a cottage industry exists for manufacturing false examplels of it.

    But on the left?

    Fascism on the loose.

    And just like fascism, history is their excuse. They believe they are entitled to hate. Scary stuff.

    I had to take a few classes like that myself.

    I think academia’s take on it is that the white male needs to experience hatred in order to be educated.

  14. DR, you’re too generous. It’s about comeuppance, not education. There is no awakening that will change things in a meaningful way.

  15. I had to google “comeuppance”.

    If we were in a real bar, I would have faked like I knew what you were saying kind of like I do when I get sucked into conversations about professional hockey.

  16. Get the good kids regardless of race,creed or $$$ background safe schools where they can learn,dump the others onto the streets and within a generation the chaff will be eliminated.

    I need to digest your entire comment Alfie but the conclusion really baffles me. Aren’t we already dumping the chaff out on the street and they don’t go away. They reproduce more chaff as they perpetuate the culture of non-achievement. The approach can’t be passive (they will go away in a generation). There must be intervention.

  17. Frankly I’m pleasantly surprised at the comparatively intelligent response to this essay. I don’t have a huge dog in this one. Really just wanted to toss out a couple of notions. I’ll respond to some specific comments later.

  18. Ajax I’m usually with you but I can’t agree funding is the overriding issue. To the extent that some school district funding derives from the tax base, schools in poor neighborhoods are at a distinct disadvantage. However if I’m not mistaken, the Baltimore school system has been funded up the wazoo over the years to no avail.

    This is why I didn’t mention throwing money at the problem in my piece.

    Mandatory attendance through grade 12 may not be the answer but surely we need to find ways to keep kids in school and get them educated.

  19. Alfie, I partly disagree with your support of dismantling town school fiefdoms and similar small law enforcement districts. It is probably a good idea for populated areas, but thinly settled states would face problems, including required boarding schools like those in Valentine, Nebraska. Cherry County is about as large as Rhode Island and 20,000 or 25,000 people live there. I am guessing about the population, but I am close to the mark.

    Law enforcement divorced from small towns would also hurt public safety.

    Three blacks shot the two police officers I mentioned. When liberals become as upset as they are when a police officer shoots a black maybe, I will harbor hope for change. Nothing is going to change .

  20. Another thought along the lines I think Tex was headed: is the notion of a liberal arts education grade 9 and up out of step with the times?

    For those of you in “good” school districts I’m sure you’ve seen the rise of STEM based instruction. In my school district there is a STEM track and a waiting list to get into it.

    Is teaching 9th grade European history the best way to prepare kids for survival?

  21. Rejecting your liberal solutions is not hopeless cynicism. You’ve got deeper social problems that have created this beast and liberals refuse to see it. DR hit a huge one and Ajax proves the point.

  22. Good mother of God. My comment directly followed yours and I still need to quote you?

    Rejecting your liberal solutions is not hopeless cynicism.

    If you stop at rejection of liberal solutions without any positive agenda all you’ve contributed is hopeless cynicism. Comprende?

    Even the GOP is realizing this in the current cycle. Obama/Clinton bashing is not enough.

  23. What’s wrong with parents cleaning up their act? That’s not a solution? That’s THE solution.

    Your mandatory graduation sounds a little too Plato for me.

  24. Well….a rejection of the cause of the problem is a very important step.

    Next should come a massive governmental propaganda program on the importance of marriage. It should be comparable to the stop smoking campaign or AIDS awareness.

    In tandem with this should be the black church calling for a reformation of urban culture. Marriage should be promoted at all levels.

    Tax breaks for married couples should be substantial. The family is the most important basic structure in this country.

    It’s hard to stay married sometimes. This should be disccused in the open. The magazine cover bull shit needs to end.

    Entitlements need to be rolled back. Go back to actual food, not bridge cards, even if its more expensive.

    It will take decades to fix the scourge of progressivism. There are no short cuts.

  25. Tigre and I are not being cynics, Rutherford. We and the rest are facing realty. Nothing will work until the people change. They will have to decide to alter their beliefs and behavior So far, they have few incentives to alter course.

    You want positive solutions? Here is a baby step.
    One starting point is to make it pay financially for fathers to stay with their families and to encourage marriage, even if it requires tax and financial incentives for cohabiting.

    For example, a town in Iowa had an influx of Hispanic families. The first arrivals had middle class values and they maintained their homes and property. As new families moved in welcoming committees visited and told them how it would be. They also kept track of teenagers to discourage gang behavior.

    I can share several models for better schools, but it is a waste of time. Until the people want to change, there is no hope. That is as certain as the blue color of our sky on sunny days.

  26. You’re absolutely right Muffy. Parents, fathers in particular, need to clean up their act.

    BUT irresponsible father’s don’t become irresponsible when they turn 18 or 21. The damage is done at an earlier age. Is there any way the community (not necessarily the government) can intervene in youngsters lives to prevent the next generation from being dead beat dads?

  27. Next should come a massive governmental propaganda program on the importance of marriage. …

    Ok now we’re getting somewhere. Incentives for cohabitation sounds very interesting. The push for “marriage” seems rife with conservative social engineering.

    “Stay together and raise a kid”. Wow would that be a revolutionary campaign slogan!

  28. Yes, we need conservative social engineering to fix the culture. We associate the decay with poor blacks, but the same process is degrading white culture too. Liberal social engineering did this, and “stay together to raise a kid” is a good start.

    However, human nature needs more than a catchy slogan. For this to work, financial and other incentives are paramont. In addition, fathers would need to be encouraged through pride or money to organize something like North Omaha’s Mad Dads or the Hispanic fathers I wrote about. They would walk the streets at night and visit with teenagers standing around. They wouldn’t harass them, because most would be their neighbors. They would merely let the kids know they were being watched.

    Something like this would be a first start which would take generations to fix. Will it happen? No.

  29. James, I have seen a campaign much like that, although with a smaller goal.

    Devil’s Night.

    It’s hard to convey what Devil’s Night was like around here. The Purge every year. Fucked up.

    The community finally came together and walked the streets.

    Everybody stopped referring to it as Devils Night on the news. They called it Angel’s Night.

    At first everyone laughed. But it worked.

    Sure, you will see some fires still.

    But, an annual event akin to the London Blitz?

    Over.

  30. “Ok now we’re getting somewhere. Incentives for cohabitation sounds very interesting. The push for “marriage” seems rife with conservative social engineering.” -R

    I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding you…but if you think a push for “cohabitation” would work, you still don’t get it.

    Marriage is key.

    If I was merely “coahibitating”, I’d be getting strange at every opportunity I could. I’m a fucked up individual all on my own. My weak spot is women. They are so fucking hot! I want to bang a lot of women I see. I almost get in car wrecks over it. My first thought when I see a fuckabke woman isn’t even having sex. Sit. On. My. Face.

    I need something bigger then me. Most people do. I stood up in front of a lot of people and promised to God I wouldn’t cheat. Honor is a bitch. So I’m stuck with one. (Editor’s note…a terrible thing to say on mother’s day, a bad joke and nothing more) .

    While there are a ton of lemur types who just impregnate Discovery Channel style, many of the broken homes are tied to cohabitation with the best intentions gone wrong.

    Do marriages fail? All the time. Exactly why ” cohabitation ” is even more lame.

  31. Tax breaks, yes. Good idea. Not sure what other “incentives” we’re talking about but paying people to live together? No.

  32. Actually Rutherford, I think there is more of a real war on men than women…though I would agree I have zero respect for a man that makes kids and walks from them. Too many of them too.

    These men come in all colors, but it it primarily white men getting the brunt of “persecution” from the popular culture and academia as that ignorant, racist beyotch I linked to above proves. I could post one of those a day and not run out of material.

    Tell me there is a white man in the country that would have gotten away with that purely racist, sexist bullshit? But the blowback is coming…it is still kept mostly under wraps for the moment, but you see the steam before the volcano and the vents are seeping.

    I talk to my friends all the time that have had it with the man haters – black or white and the corrupt courts.

  33. Cohabitation is not as good as marriage, but it is better than nothing. We know some couples who have lived together for years. Common law kicks in eventually. Tax incentives or anything else which works to keep the parents together in a committed relationship would be worth the cost. I’m not thinking of direct payments. One incentive could be celebratory pictures and news stories of the happy couples. Other families could appear in promotional commercials. Maybe some companies could give people an extra day of vacation or a complementary night out in a family restaurant or a fast food spot. Each of these incentives would have little effect on most, but they would help marriage look cool.

    The Finish girl’s language lesson who’s video I posted weeks ago was spotted and became a guest on Ellen Degenerious’ show. Why not give some newly married poor people a chance to be on her show?

    I’m just throwing stuff at the wall to see if anything sticks the same as FDR’s people did when they decided homesteading in Alaska would help solve the farm problem.

    I remember hearing about Devil’s Night. Now I know what happened.

    Rutherford, if you really want to change the disfunctional society, you had better select a Republican who seems likely to support healing of the broken culture and can win, you had better vote for him/her. At the least, vote Republican anyway. Weakening current trends isn’t much, but it is better than what we have.

    Otherwise, we are wasting our time.

  34. R, as this thread progresses, you are going to see a pattern. I’m referring to comments about the role of government in fixing these types of social problems. My shorthand is you’ll be looking for the usual liberal redistributive shortcuts that are more the cause than the solution. -T
    I see that James and El Tigre are leading the hopeless cynicism side of the argument today. -R
    Rejecting your liberal solutions is not hopeless cynicism. You’ve got deeper social problems that have created this beast and liberals refuse to see it. DR hit a huge one and Ajax proves the point. -T

    4.Tigre, rejection alone is no solution. -R

    If you stop at rejection of liberal solutions without any positive agenda all you’ve contributed is hopeless cynicism. Comprende? -R

    Yeah. Comprendo. You’re retarded.

    I have to have a thesis to show what a failure your politics are? They speak for themselves. More of it is the solution?

    God, I really wonder if you were dropped on your head as a newborn.

    Let’s go with Ajax. I live the shit. What empirical evidence do you have that forcing worthless sociopaths into classrooms works? Any at all. Does it occur to you that making a prison of classrooms for those that have to “do their time” is more damaging than remedial?

    My “solution” to the symptoms of social breakdown isn’t “forced” anything. Did you read that?

  35. I’m going to help my some prepare for a test tomorrow. Really. I’ll be back.

    What a coincidence. See if you can make sense of it before I return.

  36. I’m going to help my some prepare for a test tomorrow.

    If more dads did that we might get somewhere. See Tigre you actually came up with a positive agenda.

    Shit, if you talked the way you live we might actually get some good ideas out of you. 🙂

  37. I think there’s a Master Po there somewhere. Like, “one cannot talk before one has lived.” Or, “one cannot talk the way one lives until one learns to type.”

    Some/son; tomato/ zucchini.

    We were diagramming sentences. Sweet Jesus. It’s been over three decades since I did that — and with the same results. I now think I suffer from PTSD from 7th grade English. I am worthless. . . well unless boosting my son’s self-esteem ’cause at least he ain’t retarded like his Old Man.

    Does diagraming sentences have any value beyond the SATs?

  38. Crap I don’t think I know how to diagram a sentence. Well I’ve got two years to learn.

    I’ve been blessed that my kid is unusually independent on homework. What little help she gets comes from Mom because Dad spends more time lecturing on proper pedagogy to actually offer any help. “That’s a STUPID way to teach that!”

  39. If diagraming at this level is required to practice law, just take my license. What I was working on was closer to gardening than any damn readin’ and writin’ I have ever done.

    There were 16 different types of diagrams he had to master. 16 types. This was no circling and labeling subject, object, prepositions, clauses yadda yadda. That’s kindergarten. This was descending tiers of grammar going all the way to hell.

    And the sentences? Amanda McKittrick Ros got nothing on these. I’m beginning to wonder if I just got Punk’d.

  40. “That’s a STUPID way to teach that!”

    😆 I remember my youngest saying, “I don’t like the way you teach it…” “You mean I make you learn it instead of doing for you?” The memories.

    I couldn’t diagram a sentence to save my life. I think I remember noun and verb. 😈

  41. In two weeks, life is going to be a blur. Graduation, wedding, move including driving from Houston to Pittsburgh (with a puppy). I can hardly wait.

    Puppy chewed up a french door today and crapped in the lariope (tall grass) where actively searching for it, I stepped in it . 😡

    Nothing like picking up a kid at 1:00 AM at the airport. I guess that is how you know you’re time as a guardian parent is nearing its end.

  42. BUT irresponsible father’s don’t become irresponsible when they turn 18 or 21. The damage is done at an earlier age. Is there any way the community (not necessarily the government) can intervene in youngsters lives to prevent the next generation from being dead beat dads?” – R

    Sure, put value in fatherhood. Put value on marriage. Celebrate and champion family.

    But this is only the beginning. Stop objectifying women AND men as things to fuck and/or beat. Music is a reflection of culture – and if the Hip-Hop/Rap scene is a reflection of the Black Community, well then, is there any surprise it is in the state it is in? –

    About 40 people have been shot since April 28, the day after Baltimore’s most intense day of rioting.

    Police said 82 people have been killed this year, 20 more than at the same time last year. Nonfatal shootings also have surged 47 percent, to 134 this year from 91 last year at this time.

    How about a moment of reflection? Examine the area’s most overwhelmingly under Dem control, and then look at their poverty rate, their crime rate, their education rate, their economy. This should speak for itself WHY your ideology is so wrong, and so dangerous, because when it has been implemented – and it has all over the nation – it has failed, and more importantly, it has hurt the most disadvantaged citizens under its terror.

  43. I agree with gorilla. The first step toward change is to elect Republicans where Democrats have proven themselves so toxic.

    People in poor areas are told bigots are holding them down. The police enforce white privilege and kill blacks for sport. The welfare system encourages single female led families and displaces men into a position of canine stud hood. They can’t find good jobs so they turn to crime which is already a demonstrable path to money and status. They mostly prey on others in their communities and the neighbors through fear of the thugs or animosity toward the police refuse to testify.

    Schools are bad in part because parents don’t care enough to enforce good study habits and attitudes. Instead, students who try to learn are derided as being too white.

    This environment fosters bigotry and racism. The riots in which blacks protected black owned businesses and burned Asian and Hispanic businesses was the work of racist thugs. The people who forced blacks into economic and political slavery blame the Republicans and conservatives and create racial connotations to words like thug to demonstrate the endemic racism of the dominant conservative elites.

    Nothing will change until we remove the people who foster this rot. If you refuse to do that, just fell grateful that you are better than them. You have values and a work ethic You have something they don’t have and you will keep it.

    My mother was a teacher, and she loved diagiaming sentences. I learned the torture device in grade school and had hoped the pernicious classes had long since dissappeared.

  44. This was descending tiers of grammar going all the way to hell.

    😆 That cracked me up. I recall grammar hell in grade school and agree the depths seem to have deepened since I darkened those halls. I recently had my grandson dealing with the same and the memories all came back. It’s still nonsensical and unless one is going on to teach grammar, what’s the point? It certainly has not helped us as a society to better communicate one with another. If anything, all our modern means and methods have hindered real communication.

  45. G, I could not agree more about rap music, the worst cultural development of the past 40 years. Possibly more damaging than pornography in its lasting effects.

    I always used to laugh at people who blamed entertainment for society’s woes. Maybe I’m becoming an old fart.

    Sadly, there’s no putting the rap genie back in the bottle. Hopefully we’ll see another evolution in musical tastes that will deliver us from it.

  46. Its amusing to read resident republican postings claiming they are the remedy to the problems of community supposedly caused entirely by democrats and liberal policy. 🙂 It’s as if this nation hasn’t been exposed to their flavor of fix before 🙄

    Agreed, the traditional family is what holds the best hope for the future of humanity. Republicans have a less than stellar reputation when it comes to fidelity we’ve discovered over the past few decades. The best fix, if you will, to our diseased culture is strong traditional marriages and family. It is also that primary institution that has been intentionally undermined by those who have taken over our republic. The feminist movement and gay marriage agenda were designed and promoted to tear down traditional moral ideals. These have been successes when we consider the things we discuss daily.

    Moreover, two common goals of those secret societies is world domination and population control.

    The means to this end have been purposefully erected throughout our communities with our permissions and overall compliance.

    These things have been marketed to us as necessary, safe, and good. Truth is, they are not those things but do provide authorities a means to tag and target individuals.

  47. Sentence diagramming is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about earlier. Absolutely useless subject taught simply because of the we have always done this mantra.

  48. Rutherford I support expulsion from a school district let alone a single school. I don’t support mainstreaming the incapable. Society can only achieve greatness if we unshackle our best.

  49. I appreciate the complement , and I hope this link doesn’t bore you. Eyes may roll over another Nordic link, but Finland does have one of the world’s best educational systems. Perhaps we can learn something. The Finns educate their people without spending a lot of money. They achieve their goals through mutual respect, hard work, and academic freedom.

  50. James, that’s it. You need some kind of suspension for all of the damn Finn/Sammi bullshit. Your obsessiveness is getting downright scary. Please get help.

    And take Poolman with you.

  51. James you DO realize this is the Finnish model championed by … wait for it … Bernie Sanders. 🙂

    By the way IMHO Randi Weingarten cares about teachers, not kids. I’m not a fan of hers.

  52. Alfie your supposition lives or dies on the ability to identify the “incapable”. I see some dangerous Darwinian shit down the road if one is not careful.

  53. Rutherford, I didn’t know Bernie Sanders supported the Finish model. Good for him.

    Randi Weingarten may be a damaged advocate but the Finish model stands by itself. I think we could borrow some features.

    I understand what Alfie is saying and partly agree, but like you, Rutherford, I wonder who decides to jetison the incapable. What happens to them next?

    El Tigre, I may appear to be obscessive about northern Europe, but I’m not. I just know the region better than a place like New Jersey. Most links as this one are at least marginally related to the discussion.

    I was a guest on Science Friday, Talk of the Nation on National Public Radio to contribute my part of a discussion about helping returning veterans adjust. A panelist called me a perfect storm. In 1980, I spent four sessions with a Vet Center counselor. He, not I needed the help when we finished.

    A day after fire cremated a girl and her father alive, I promised her I would live a good life to give meaning to hers. I’ve done that. I do what makes me happy, and being a little insane is fine.

  54. Yeah James, Tigre hates us for our freedom the Sami people senior citizens friends of liberal bloggers Finnish folks people west of the Mississippi a lot of shit. 😀

  55. I don’t remember the exact date, Rutherford. It probably was around 2004 to 2006. We bought an e machine after the Linux computer died in 2005, but I don’t remember which computer we had when the show was on.

    I wasn’t actually in a studio. I had called the show ahead of time and they asked me to stay on the line. I was the token veteran and was part of the conversation.

    The psychologists were discussing a new program to help soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan adjust. I told my story which included some violence and little human connection during and after it.

    One of the men said I was the type of individual they were trying to help. Their calling me a perfect storm surprised me, because I didn’t feel that bad. Not much bothers me now. I always thrive. They thought my being alone to deal with the trauma was the most troubling to them.

    I had given the University of Northern Florida an oral history, and the woman in charge of the program e mailed me to say she had heard me on the radio. Some one I know in our county also e mailed me. She heard me as she drove home from work.

    It was a good day for me. Two people had heard my voice on the radio.

  56. One thing about the Sami people is that I use them as a foil for black people. Their treatment parallels blacks, Native Americans, and other minorities.

    I have cited them a few times to compare their coping skills to blacks. I use them because I am more familiar with their culture than I am with some others . Blacks could learn from the Sami if they knew Sami existed

    Hatred is a waste of time. Goading is more fun.

  57. James, even though you are OCD when it comes to Finns, I was just gigging you. Anyway, I’ve got Swedish blood which makes me superior to the humorless Finns. So, as far as I’m concerned, they deserved it — whatever “it” was, and however “it” resulted in horrible music videos. 😆

    Poolman’s inability to discern expected unknowns and doubt from conspiracy fantasies, supported by studiously applied confirmation bias from unreliable sources, is an organic disorder. All it takes is a YouTube video with some sinister music and selective imagery and he’s convinced the obvious didn’t occur because. . . well. . . evil deception and stuff from government officials that can’t keep a blowjob secret but manage to orchestrate elaborate hoaxes in plain view.

  58. Rutherford my youngest will be going for a STEM diploma track which is new to the school my kids go to. It is a good example of thinking ahead and matching the resources and needs.
    I have thought for a long time that where the schools have backed of the “shop class” offerings over the years if America should in fact revisit them with a bump. Many other countries find their teens done with school at 16. The kids who continue are as a rule the university bound folks.The folks out @ sixteen get herded into apprenticeships and trade schooling.Others go from the graduation line to the dole line. I wonder if that kind of system would meet the test of what you’re looking for.
    Some kids are never ever going to college but that doesn’t mean they can’t get a good education that allows them to function highly in society.

  59. Ha Ha El Tigre. I agree, the Finns are weird people. Smart, but weird. And now you… Swedes surround me. I can’t escape them.

    My wife’s maternal grand mother came from Sweden when she was 16. My supervising meteorologist is a second generation Swede. He and his wife visited relatives in Sweden and took a side trip to Finland. Fins in general still don’t like Swedes though they marry each other. They call them a female body part. At least the meteorologist heard the term several times.

    School was easy for me, and I got bored. I picked subjects which interested me and became as expert as I could. Sometimes, I see connections between my interests and current events because people are alike.

    So far, I can’t do much with Neanderthals, but I can use the Clovis points. Like Al Gores’ weather, the science was settled, but it wasn’t. For a time paleontologists who questioned the Clovis orthodoxy were shunned.

    Maybe my two head injuries account for my musical taste. I like to poke at my wife and others, so another video is probably in our future. Maybe the Children of ABBA…

  60. Other nations do what Finland does but I know more about Finland. That nation has high school trade schools. Students are prepared to take jobs immediately after graduation. Other schools concentrate on the arts or sports and still others feature foreign languages.

    I believe we have become too focused on college educations to the neglect of the trades which can produce better incomes than some college degrees.

  61. Short answer, Hersh is crazy. There’s a lot he gets wrong. I can’t get into details but there are some very specific things that conflict with not only his account of facts, but his logic in general.

    Pakistan didn’t know UBL was in Abbottabad, and they certainly didn’t give the U.S. permission to go in. Just think about this from the perception of the Indian government and Pakistan’s view of that threat. How would this have been in their favor?

  62. I heard the Left went crazy day before yesterday about the loon “CONSERVATIVE” Sy Hersh, writer for the CONSERVATIVE magazine The New Yorker and most famous for Abu Ghraib accusations against the LIBERAL Darth Cheney. {snicker}

  63. Look at that woman’s picture. She isn’t black, and she isn’t Asian. She doesn’t look like a Native American, a South Sea Islander or an Australian Aborigine. Her skin is white. That stupid bitch should ban herself from any diversity gathering because she is WHITE!

    Surely, the president wouldn’t lie.

  64. No charges will be filed against the police officer who shot black man in Wisconsin. The family asks for peace. We shall see.

    I agree with Alfie’s link. It is another argument for voting Republicans into office to change the urban culture, because they tend to support charter schools. I don’t have time to check, but I believe many Democrats oppose charter schools.

  65. Ha Ha El Tigre. I agree, the Finns are weird people. Smart, but weird. And now you… Swedes surround me. I can’t escape them. – James

    Take heart James. It’s easy to get rid of Swedes. My extremely nice little Norwegian Grandma would often say “A thousand Swedes ran through the weeds … chased by one Norwegian.” Then she’d laugh and knit something. 🙂

    Adopting individual techniques from the Finnish model might be useful, but your video seems to show their system as synergistic, which would not allow for successful cherry picking. On the other hand, if we adopt their ideas wholesale, the factor of scale is overwhelming. As of 2012, the entire Finnish education system, general studies and vocational, serviced 1.2 million students. In New York City alone, there are 1.1 million students.

    In this country, education is a local responsibility. Unfortunately, a bad education system is a liability for our entire nation, in terms of the economy and national security. We have to each do our part to improve schools in our own communities. Participate. Respect teachers but challenge them as well. And for God’s sake, support their autonomy. Teachers should be given textbooks to teach out of, not rule books.

  66. I guess the Norwegian and the Finn still have issues with their ancestors having been cheated out of all the good looking Scandanavian pu**y by the Swedes.

    Porn, Aquavit, and Smorgasbords, bitches!

    (you can have ABBA except for the blonde. . . female).

  67. Ah yes, the Norwegians. A friend worked for a Norwegian farmer after high school. He did a special job for the farmer, and his son paid my friend. The farmer later tried to give the money to my friend who refused it because he already had payment. The farmer was mad.
    His son had no right to pay my friend. It was not his son’s responsibility.

    My friend never took the money. However, after the farmer died, he bequeathed in his will the money he thought he owed my friend.

    We were in a Norwegian museum, and my wife and another woman saw what they thought was Swedish style needle point. The woman saw something in Swedish. “Should we tell them?” she asked. She answered her question with “No, they would probably throw us out.

    I agree, the Finnish system couldn’t be imported en mass to the United States. However, we could borrow some of its features. Teacher autonomy and respect would fit many systems. They would have to earn their freedom as they do in Finland. Parents need to participate in schools’ policies and schools, as you wrote. Schools could provide more training for trades as they used to here.

    Finish schools also provide five semesters with different courses in each semester. We could do that here. Our local school tried a version of the system for several years.

    I like your grand mother’s attitude.

  68. Will Madison burn tonight? Another lib town on fire? Burn that MOFO down!

    I’ll bet Walker handles it better than these goon Dims have done.

    Any bets?

  69. Parker the 23% of non-affiliated people is an underestimate in practice. Lots of folks call themselves Christian or religious because it’s the easy polite answer. They don’t go to church, they don’t pray to anybody and they scratch their heads at fundamentalists. But they come from Christian background and atheism doesn’t really appeal to them either.

    At this point I get no strength from statistics. As long as folks don’t force rules upon me based on the supernatural I couldn’t care less what they believe. In fact if their beliefs, which I might find wacky, lead them to do righteous shit that I haven’t done, more power to them. When they go from wacky to cutting off my head, I say not just no but HELLLL NO!

  70. Democrats as a voting bloc are against charter schools even though many of them especially teachers send their kids to charters or privates.
    I want to add out of respect to rabbit that I want to give teachers good schools too.

  71. Thor adds a great point. 2 or 3 states dictate to 3 or 4 publishers the books that exist,and often those are flawed.

    That may be but please don’t let states like Texas control text book content.

    The day they try to teach my kid creationism is the day I start home schooling.

  72. Hey Tigre, I was watching The Nightly Show yesterday and apparently you’ve got some school principals/teachers sinking their ships with loose lips. One made a comment about “all the black people” at a commencement. But she was actually mild compared to the teacher who told the students that if their parents voted for Muslim Obama, they were evil.

    LOL WTF?

  73. {snicker} I find you so incredibly vile and venal, that I have to continually work up a sweat not to enjoy watching you shrivel and pucker up, “R”. You are a smorgasbord of rotted fruit. But you got all the bases covered. Whatever hackneyed clique fits, you are. 🙂

    The part that does confuse me is what keeps you going, Brother R? It doesn’t take a prophet to see how this ends – badly. Bet you think I’m kidding. {snicker}

    You’re an utterly unedifying human being – no redeeming qualities whatsoever besides you keep me entertained. I don’t meet many like you. Maher, Dawkins, Lawson. 😈

    Is that mean of me to state the obvious?

  74. For those who may be confused, our friend Parker posted a comment on an old thread and Tex answered him and I answered Tex and he now answers me on this thread.

    With that cleared up, Tex does God have any hand in Nepal? Yes or no? Is it the devils work? Did the people of Nepal displease Him in some way? Jerry Falwell, a man you admire more than you admire me, said that immorality, including homosexuality brought 9/11 upon us. How much of Nepal is gay Tex? Is that the measuring stick?

    You think I’m being a disrespectful wise-ass. Did you read my conclusion to Parker? To the extent your belief system inspires good deeds more power to you. But when you pull out your holy book and lecture me on end of times, you better be prepared to school me on Gods logic.

    Let me repeat. Your faith reconciles everything. I have no faith. I have only logic and if God is responsible for the tragedy we see everywhere around us then he’s one nasty SOB. Makes more sense for me not to believe at all than to believe in and rationalize random cruelty on a grand scale by an omnipotent force.

  75. Don’t watch the show and don’t know what you’re talking about. I hope you’re not asking for me to answer for it … particularly to a guy from Illinois — the national headquarters of the White Supremacy movement.

    Always been a fan of the Obama grade school indoctrination chants and Obama hymns of praise of Chicago.

  76. — the national headquarters of the White Supremacy movement.

    Is it really? I shit you not – I was unaware.

    Hell I lived in Southbury CT for a time, once the home of a grand wizard.

  77. “I have only logic and if God is responsible for the tragedy we see everywhere around us then he’s one nasty SOB.”

    He’s got you there, Tex. No God could be responsible for Rutherford’s tragic logic.

  78. You just told me there is no such thing. We’re all cosmic accidents and its all attributable to random events – as is life.

    Tex, aside from the fact you don’t believe it, why does that possibility trouble you so? What if it is a cosmic accident? Why does that diminish our lives?

    Why do I have to know WHY I’m here? Why can’t I just make the best of a total mystery and be content that the mystery will never be solved?

  79. Were the principals any worse than Michele Obama whiny-ass-bitch commencement speech in Tuskegee? I wish she’d just STFU already.

  80. Charter schools in urban areas are a Godsend. Anyone who is against them borders on being sadistic.

    In the area I work now, public schools crush charter schools. Not even a blip on the radar. They suck.

    Charter schools pay shit money and only saints, the desperate or the stupid choose to work there. I could make more at Costco. The turn over is akin to a fast food restaurant. You get treated like dog shit too.

    These days, at least in my state, the union is neutered. There are no horrible teachers hiding behind unions. Myth. Honestly, there really never were that many. It was always exaggerated by the right wing due to a very valid hatred of the political activism of the NEA etc. I don’t blame the right one bit.

    There might be a few shit birds hiding behind horrible administration and idiotic evaluations that change like the wind from year to year. But, bad employees manage to hide quite a bit in the private sector as well. My wife’s story blow me away.

    Fact. According to standerized testing, I went from being on of those failing teachers supposedly hiding behind a union to one of the best teachers in the country. Same subject. Same class.

    How did I pull off this feat? I moved 20 miles.

  81. No God could be responsible for Rutherford’s tragic logic.

    Tigre I assure you if God made me (or you for that matter) he is one imperfect architect. 🙂

  82. R, if you could catch one on CSPAN, you’d love to an Atlanta City Council meeting where terms such as “whitey” are used to describe the “enemy” and sources of revenue.

  83. Believe it or not Tigre I’m troubled by Michelle’s comments. I’ve only heard them in isolation. Haven’t heard the full speech. But damn, what I heard was beneath the dignity of the First Lady of the United States.

    Instead of telling them they could achieve like she did, instead she told them “whitey will always see you as just another ni**er.”

    It saddens me just to type that.

  84. “Why can’t I just make the best of a total mystery and be content that the mystery will never be solved?”-R

    Let me throw the question back at you. Why should I give a flying fuck about anything? Why can’t I just make the worst of a total mystery and be content that the mystery will never be solved?

    Fuck bitches and make money.

  85. Let me repeat. Your faith reconciles everything.

    How does it reconcile everything? Your ignorance is showing. My faith reconciles me with my Creator. Don’t you mean explanation instead of reconciliation?

    Ever read the Book of Job? Now that’s a rhetorical question, of course, because you haven’t read Genesis 1:1. You’re much too lazy scholarly to take a couple of hours of that incredibly important schedule of yours – there’s giants like Hayes to listen too.

    But if you need help, I suppose you could read two chapters, skip to Chapter 38 (if memory serves) and read through Chapter 42.

    How exactly do you want me to school you on God’s logic when you don’t even acknowledge His very existence?

    You believe man a cosmic accident by definition. That should reconcile everything to your satisfaction. Random events of meaninglessness. Consume and enjoy, thanking your lucky stars it wasn’t you.

    Buys you a few more days. 😉

  86. Tex, aside from the fact you don’t believe it, why does that possibility trouble you so? What if it is a cosmic accident? Why does that diminish our lives?

    It doesn’t trouble me in the least because I am as sure you’re wrong as I’m sure your finite.

    What is the purpose to our lives according your “religion”, Rutherford?

  87. Why can’t I just make the worst of a total mystery and be content that the mystery will never be solved?
    Fuck bitches and make money.

    I wonder that often. Sure is harder trying to “live right” and I will probably wonder on my death bed why I didn’t have more fun.

  88. “Instead of telling them they could achieve like she did, instead she told them “whitey will always see you as just another ni**er.””

    I guess she forgot about the special treatment affirmative action afforded to attend Princeton, and all that the racist electorate has bestowed on her and her children.

    But divisiveness and stoking anger is what the left is all about since it is from that that it derives its power.

  89. Consume and enjoy, thanking your lucky stars it wasn’t you.

    Don’t you do that? Don’t we all do that? You wanna be in the stone rubble underneath Mount Everest right now? Damn straight I thank LUCK that it wasn’t me. I throw a bit at the Red Cross hoping it will make a small difference.

  90. What is the purpose to our lives according your “religion”, Rutherford?

    To make the best of our circumstances and try not to fuck anybody over in the process.

  91. Rutherford I hate to break it to you [not really but…] Texas and California get top billing at the dinner table with Pearson,Houghton/Mifflin and McGraw Hill

  92. “I wonder that often. Sure is harder trying to “live right” and I will probably wonder on my death bed why I didn’t have more fun.”-R

    Well…look on the bright side….a self important athiest like you surely won’t be on your death bed wondering why you didn’t do more for other people. You will have nothing to ask for forgiveness for because you have no one to ask forgiveness from.

    Must be nice.

  93. But divisiveness and stoking anger is what the left is all about since it is from that that it derives its power.

    If defending the “left” is defending Michelle then you have me at a loss for words.

    But the right stokes too. It’s all about the Sneetches. More satisfaction gained by emphasizing what separates us.

  94. “To make the best of our circumstances and try not to fuck anybody over in the process”

    Why is that? Why does that have to be my purpose?

    If its all meaningless randomness, you can give me no reason why I can’t live to fuck bitches and fuck people over.

    Even if its “good for society” to be law abiding…who gives a shit about society. Who gives a shit about anything?

    Who cares.

  95. To make the best of our circumstances and try not to fuck anybody over in the process.

    That reads like childish gibberish – a consummate platitude. I now better understand why you were so moved by “Yes We Can!”

    Can’t you provide any better definition to give meaning and reason than not trying to fuck somebody over? I have no problem telling you exactly my reason which I would happily share when I feel led to.

    Since we’re all glorified apes with opposable thumbs who have lost our hair, shouldn’t we be attempting to increase our share and our herd? But this is why your answer to every problem, Rutherford, is more education and if that fails, more governance. You have nothing else.

    And this is why I point out to you that atheism has done little or nothing to improve or beautify the world. What does it inspire besides the law of the jungle?

    Nothing.

  96. Even if its “good for society” to be law abiding…who gives a shit about society. Who gives a shit about anything?
    Who cares.

    Again. Damn good question. All I can say is I feel better living by a certain personal code of conduct. It’s ultimately selfish. When I know I’ve screwed someone over I feel bad about myself.

    Now if belief in God keeps Joe Shmoe from screwing me over, I’m all for it. My Mom used to say “if you see the way people behave with religion can you just imagine how they’d behave without it?”

  97. “If defending the “left” is defending Michelle then you have me at a loss for words.”

    Yep. Victimhood. It’s a leftist tactic.

  98. I find your mindset so defeatist and empty, Rutherford. You’re so personally unappealing. 😆

    Remember Noah, “R”? He said something one time that pretty much nailed me to a wall. I am Jonah. You won’t get that either, but Noah was right. I probably should avoid the water.

  99. “And over the years, folks have used plenty of interesting words to describe me. One said I exhibited ‘a little bit of uppity-ism.’ Another noted that I was one of my husband’s ‘cronies of color.’ Cable news once charmingly referred to me as ‘Obama’s Baby Mama.’ ” -Michelle Antoinette

    Poor, poor thing. She’s had it really rough.

    And for her own words to be quoted on cable news:

    “KING: He’s made it. I think he’s coming.

    WATSON: He’s coming up.

    BLITZER: We can take a look. Maybe he will and maybe he won’t but she looks like she’s about to introduce him. Let’s listen in.

    MICHELLE OBAMA: My baby’s daddy Barack Obama. Yeah!

    BARACK OBAMA, SENATOR-ELECT, ILLINOIS: Thank you, Illinois. Thank you. Thank you”

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/02/se.06.html

    So cruel.

  100. You have good taste, El Tigre. Agnetha is still hot as a pensioner. Did you know Sweden was rated the third strongest influence on American music last year? Does that make you proud of guilt ridden?

    Fins say they are true blonds. Swedes have rabbit hair.

    “What should I wear in Helsinki?” “Visit Stockholm and wait three years.”

    We know teachers unions tend to oppose charter schools and Democrats pander to them, so you are probably right that opposition to charter schools is indirect.

    Its not too late Rutherford. Have some fun.

    I don’t think God controls everything. He has set the universe in motion and it runs with rules He set up. Two continents are colliding as one pushes under the other. The result is tall mountains and earth quakes.

  101. Come on, the man is clearly of, for, and by the people…

    CNN’s Jim Acosta quizzed White House spokesman Josh Earnest after President Barack Obama told a crowd at Georgetown Tuesday that he doesn’t know any poor people or those who have trouble paying their monthly bills.

    During Tuesday’s briefing, Acosta asked Earnest if Obama’s point shows that he’s “out of touch,” an assertion which Earnest roundly rejected.

    “I mean, there’s some communities where I don’t know — not only do I not know poor people, I don’t even know people who have trouble paying the bills at the end of the month,” Obama said during the Tuesday morning event. “I just don’t know those people.”

  102. Tigre. ** GUFFAW ** Truth be known, Shelly Antoinette Obama is two steps from uneducated Ho. She’s a gussied up pig. Unlike Obama, I still think that ignorant twit believes the world highly admires her. The only reason she escapes the brutal truth is she is mostly irrelevant.

    It has become apparent to me that Obama is growing more dangerous by the day because he is becoming more unstable by the day. The man is imploding – his narcissism is eating him alive as he observes massive failure on a global scale. Today, the pitiful hack was back to blaming FOX News in a room of puppets.

    Good riddance when it happens as Obama a true weasel and scumbag, but even the flunkies of Obama are losing control of the ability to mask the stench of their gross incompetency and mendacity.

    Does anybody but the truly stupid and uninformed care for this coward anymore? If Obama weren’t so arrogant and unlikable, you might be able to work up a measure of compassion. Watching a blowhard implode is ugly – like a train wreck.

  103. LOL. Obama the sexist. LOL

    Hoisted by his own petard of politically correct speech. This Sherrod “Clown” Brown was offended by the Magic Negro calling the equally wafting stink called Warren, “Elizabeth.” Haw Haw Haw Haw!

    Hey “R”? What trumps? The black messiah or the Lefty man hater? 😛

    I’m still going with the historical slavery over suffrage, you pathetic bastards. 😈 It’s delicious to watch you feckless toads eat your own.

  104. I’m confused….if you’re neither agnostic or atheist what the hell are you?

    I’m not a fan of either label. Agnostics are fence sitters. Atheists are for the most part arrogant assholes claiming to know the unknowable.

    Did God create the heavens and the earth? As good an explanation as any. I don’t believe we will ever really know. Do I believe a supernatural force intervenes in our daily lives? No I don’t.

    I used to call myself a nullifidean because it captures the notion of someone without faith. Tex called me childish. I consider faith childish.

  105. It has become apparent to me that Obama is growing more dangerous by the day because he is becoming more unstable by the day.

    You sound like Ben Carson who called O a psychopath.

  106. Yeah I saw Brown call Obamas comments inappropriate. O said Warren is playing politics. He implied she’s lying.

    When it comes to TPP O has been a bit of a prick and Warren seems to be winning the argument.

  107. Rutherford is near making me retch in the level of denial.

    You’re not just an atheist, Rutherford. You’re a zealot, a militant, looking to offend by provocation every chance you get. You rival the most zealous jihadi I know and you’re more of an ingrate. The only reason your not out picketing in front of a church yelling “Feed them to the Lions” is you’re smart enough to know we’re about the only thing preventing you from getting your wretched head cut off.

    That’s why I love to shove the incredible failure of your savior Obama in your face. You were ululating over that scam seven years ago. Obama! ulullululululululullululluluul Hope & Change!

  108. Obama’s speaking in code, Rutherford. Remember when saying ‘Chicago” was code for “ni**er?” I think Obama is calling our progressive Sacagawea a worthless c*nt. We all know what he means.

    I love it when you guys start turning it on yourselves. The stupidity of it starts to burn, doesn’t it? 😆

  109. I know Tuskegee is predominantly black but weren’t there ANY white graduates at that commencement? How were MO’s comments supposed to make THEM feel?

  110. You’re a zealot, a militant, looking to offend by provocation every chance you get.

    Come on Tex. Did I start this conversation? No, Parker did. I seldom bring up religion here other than to respond to other comments.

    Your talk of end of times and some implication that the GOP is on the side of God bothered me and I reacted.

    I don’t gratuitously insult you on religion.

    By the way, I was way more militant in my younger days. I’ve mellowed.

  111. Porn, Aquavit, and Smorgasbords, bitches! – ET

    You can keep your cruise ship cuisine. We’ve got Sif. That’s one fine looking Ass-guardian. 🙂

  112. “Holy crap! I didn’t mean to drop the whole damn movie on there! Sorry R. Feel free to delete.”

    😆 😆 😆

    I always knew it was hereditary with you.

  113. Ben Carson was right to call Obama a psychopath.

    Our banker visited with me during the 1980’s farm depression. The bank had encouraged farmers to borrow money for land and machinery when times were good. As the foreclosures multiplied, farmers sued the bank. “They are like cornered rats”, he lamented.

  114. I shouldn’t do this, but I can, so I did. This is just for you El Tigre. The song is a “tune within a tune”. A little joik is at the end. The lyrics are from a poem by Don Andersson. He died in a hotel after a bed bug treatment went bad.

  115. Yes, Obama is a psychopath. But he isn’t alone. Most of those we call leaders are psychopaths or sociopaths. That is what rises to the top in our western culture.

  116. Well…I know people who also live by their own code, just like Rutherford.

    And they nihilistic fuckers out only for a good time.

    Sad thing is, Rutherford doesn’t have a leg to stand on in condemning their asshole behavior.

  117. Nope. Can’t do it. Shitty halcyon folk is the same no matter the source.

    Now I have to get that sound out of my head.

    Well, at least it’s not that bizarre screamin’-Cookie-Monster Norwegian death metal noise. WTF is with that Thor? Too much fish soup and diesel fumes in your Motherland?

  118. Your talk of end of times and some implication that the GOP is on the side of God bothered me and I reacted.

    I didn’t talk of end times. Jesus did. I’m just the little messenger boy. The GOP? You’re a liar. I threw it out there just as a topic of interest as you and Parker yucked it up. Why should that offend you? I thought you so confident, Angela Davis?

    You ignored the premise because you’re generally ignorant and poorly read, and always dishonest in religious debate. Try again. I said, “The further we drift, the worse it is getting.” You didn’t deny that – because you can’t deny that.

    I suspect what troubles you, is that you can’t explain it either. I can. History is not a linear line. It’s a circle.

    I don’t gratuitously insult you on religion.

    Good grief. I don’t even need to throw this back in your face. If Muffy gets hold of this one, you may indeed lose your small dink. You’re a hater of God, Rutherford. What do you care if I say that? He doesn’t exist. Remember? Trust me, you aren’t the first and won’t be the last. No skin off my dazzling rump. Your zealotry defines you.

    Ulululululululululululululluluul “We Are the Generation We Have Waited For!”

    You don’t know how positively prescient that may have indeed been. 😐

  119. Sad thing is, Rutherford doesn’t have a leg to stand on in condemning their asshole behavior.

    That’s an interesting assertion and maybe not so bad. Why should any of us sit in judgement of assholes who are not breaking the law or bothering us? I don’t have to associate with the nihilistic fuckers. I certainly retain the option to try and make sure my daughter doesn’t become one. But the whole “condemnation” thing is often just an exercise in ego. I’m probably better off not having a leg to stand on.

  120. Rutherford, is this how you would pray to God, like these Germans?

    I was here while our grand daughter was sick, and my wife spent the night here. We are about to leave for Omaha again.

    Maybe its an over dose of lutefisk, El Tigre. You could pave your driveway with that stuff.

  121. Your dazzling rump? Who the hell are you, Liberace?

    Nah. Shining my ass on the Rutherford Lawson Blog. 😉 You think I stand while typing these masterpieces?

  122. Why should any of us sit in judgement of assholes who are not breaking the law or bothering us?

    I never have grown comfortable with Rutherford’s countenance to the liars on the Left. It says something of the man, IMO.

  123. “Maybe its an over dose of lutefisk, El Tigre. You could pave your driveway with that stuff.”

    No driveway ever did anything bad enough to deserve that.

    I honestly have no idea what sick mind invented this creation from the bowels of hell. I’ve had it shoved in my face, taken one whiff, wretched a few times, and pleaded for mercy. I understand that there are Swedish daredevils that actually consume the shit.

    Just disgusting.

  124. Well, at least it’s not that bizarre screamin’-Cookie-Monster Norwegian death metal noise. WTF is with that Thor? – ET

    🙂 🙂 You know, when you’re sequestered for six months in a snowbank with nothing but lutefisk for consolation, bad things can happen. Envision “The Shining”, only with horned helmets and battle axes.

    BTW, you’re f’ing killing me today. 🙂

  125. Sorry to pile on the lutefisk theme, hadn’t read all the way through the comments when I posted that. It smells bad, but the texture is the worst part, that gelatinous sludge, geeyaaaack! (full body shiver). 🙂

  126. I’ve been doing a little personal research lately on the biographical manifestations of Leftists, both in America and Europe. What is it exactly that is driving these demons to such irrational positions?

    For instance, I am completely serious when I call Barack Obama a malignant narcissist. I do indeed think the man, though inherently evil, is also mentally unstable and have thought that for quite some time.

    It’s utterly fascinating how many of these Progressives have been diagnosed as mentally ill: manic, bipolar, borderline personality disorder the most common maladies. Many of them are in positions of academic and political leadership for the Progressive Wing of politics and are completely open about the mental illness. I knew nuts like David Brock of Media Matters had been diagnosed as crazy. What I didn’t recognize is the ubiquity of such circumstances in the Left Wing of America.

    This once again confirms to me for the most part, Liberalism is not only based on the demonic but the mentally ill. Many of these people make Rutherford read downright reasonable. 🙂

  127. There is no doubt in my mind those that are mentally ill are drawn to the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party, perhaps as a cry for help – similar to how the Manson girls were drawn to Charlie Manson’s twisted charisma.

    This is why I think once the Progressive Party is fully exposed as a lie as is happening now, the reaction will be one of violence similar to what is happening in Ferguson and Baltimore – only more of a mix of white anarchists than brothers, the brothers simply disenfranchised, hoodwinked, indoctrinated, ignorant, and angry.

    The question that needs to be answered is how far people can go to defend themselves? For me personally, do I try to offer a helping hand to the irrational when they become violent? Or do I aim for the torso of as many of them as possible?

  128. Many of these people make Rutherford read downright reasonable.

    While I appreciate the “compliment”, the notion that leftists have cornered the market on mental illness is pure poppycock.

  129. If you have 3 of these 7 traits you may have antisocial personality disorder (common to psychopath and sociopath):

    1) Regularly breaks or flaunts the law
    2) Constantly lies and deceives others
    3) Is impulsive and doesn’t plan ahead
    4) Can be prone to fighting and aggressiveness
    5) Has little regard for the safety of others
    6) Irresponsible, can’t meet financial obligations
    7) Doesn’t feel remorse or guilt

    Dag! Obama IS a sociopath! Anyone wanna guess which 3 I attribute to him?

  130. For me personally, do I try to offer a helping hand to the irrational when they become violent? Or do I aim for the torso of as many of them as possible?

    Unless you live a far more exciting life than you’ve portrayed you’ll never have to make the choice. Progressives aren’t thinking about you.

  131. But the whole “condemnation” thing is often just an exercise in ego. – R

    R, you ignorant slut! 🙂

    That’s the point. Everything we do is ego driven. Unless you are some sort of undercover Dzogchen master, all that you know as the “truth” arises from the thoughts and experiences of the thing you call “me”. What you are reading now isn’t even what I wrote, it’s what you “think” I wrote. Your reaction, your interpretation, its all part of what you think is you.

    But you are not your thoughts. They come, they go, quite quickly actually. And this thing you call yourself remains. Tex might call it your soul. Others, your spirit, the ghost in the machine. Still others would say it’s simply neurons firing in a way we haven’t learned to measure yet. The point is, there is this “something” beyond what we know as reality. But we are so mechanically driven by our thoughts, our hopes, our fears, our egocentric experience-based view of reality, that we can’t quiet our self-importance long enough to experience it. Many religions chase this “grail” through doctrine and dogma. Douglas Harding said it was as simple as viewing the world as if you had no head. Some Islamists, ironically, think they must remove your head. I think Jesus was saying, look, you’re never going to figure it out on your own. I’m God and I still have to occasionally ask my Dad for help with my homework. But if you believe in me and the lessons I’m teaching, then I promise to get you through.

    One thing is for sure, there are followers of Jesus and Buddha and Mohammad and Ra and Coyote and The Great Nothing and perhaps even a Dzogchen master, all crumpled together under the same rubble in Nepal. To blame it on God seems like a castrated way of exploring the subject.

    But I’m just an ego-driven monkey. What do I know? 🙂

  132. The Breitbart article misses a key point. We have an embarrassing infrastructure. Anyone who travels outside the country is mortified by our transportation. So the answer is more infrastructure projects, not less. We have millions of able bodied men out of work. Put them to work rebuilding America.

    Won’t happen because we’d rather piss on each other than achieve something.

  133. Oh and by the way Amtrak would be used by more people if we expanded the infrastructure.

    Like I said. The Left is mentally ill and deficient. So what you are really saying is more welfare is needed to improve America? Hope & Change!

  134. To blame it on God seems like a castrated way of exploring the subject.

    Focusing on the word “blame” I’d have to agree with you. But surely any thinking person of faith must wonder about Gods role in tragedy.

  135. Progressives aren’t thinking about you

    With this, we can agree. Progressives “think” only of themselves. Like flies drawn to a pile of fresh dog shit, or locusts drawn to the green fields they didn’t plant.

  136. Oh David is quite the wit, isn’t he? The answer isn’t to expand train lines for antiquated trains. The answer is to replace the goddam trains and then expand the infrastructure.

  137. The answer is to replace the goddam trains and then expand the infrastructure.

    So your saving plan to invest more money in a losing proposition, Obama Jr.? I can see why you gravitated to Spanish. 😉

  138. I find the breitbart article to be a little devious and one sided. Amtrak is essentially a flawed entity but not unlike the USPS We the People and the govt hacks won’t allow it to be what it needs to be.
    U.S. infrastructure is terrible and U.S. DOT is an epic fail and I’d toss the states into that too.
    Where it can serve Amtrak should be supported. Air travel in the U.S. is now 80% controlled by 3 airlines. We the Sheeple are getting screwed on a level pundits haven’t begun to appreciate

  139. Moving us beyond third world status is not a losing proposition. Do I need to embarrass your ass by pulling up a list of where we stand in the world on infrastructure?

  140. We SHOULD have high speed rail cris-crossing the country. Lincoln expanded rails while fighting a civil war. We can’t do shit while doing nothing else worth a shit.

  141. “The answer isn’t to expand train lines for antiquated trains. The answer is to replace the goddam trains and then expand the infrastructure.”

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    Straight from Idiocracy.

    “‘Cause it’s got electrolytes.”

  142. We SHOULD have high speed rail cris-crossing the country.

    😆 😆 Obama can’t even build a website or a half finished pipeline and you want to cross the country in a high speed rail during the days of wine and roses? Rutherford, this ain’t Japan where we are living on each other like you dupes in the Northeast corner, trying to still explain to us how much smarter you are than the rest of us while you pay three times for the same house.

    Lincoln expanded rails while fighting a civil war.

    Lincoln would have been driving a Buick and flying United if he coulda. 😉

  143. a benefit reserved for a potential base of about 6% of the United States population – Tex

    You ever ride on Amtrak? That ain’t no benefit. 🙂 Penn Station is like an angry bear’s cave, but with doughnuts.

  144. You want to drive a sweet road without tolls and chug holes, gang? Drive I-45 from South Dallas to Houston proper. You get past Ennis, TX, and it’s three hours at 85mph of wide open spaces and the finest road stops and convenience stores in the world – complete with nature trails that are actually kind of pretty.

    But then again, that’s Texas. 🙂 Sam Houston lives!

  145. You ever ride on Amtrak? That ain’t no benefit.

    😆 True enough.

    You want to know the difference between liberal Philadelphia, PA, and conservative Oklahoma City, OK? Let me give one glaring example.

    Immediately after the Murrah Federal Building Bombing, pedestrians were running into the building to rescue their fellow Oklahomans. Nobody had any idea if that building was going to collapse before the first responders got there.

    In Philadelphia last night I read it was every man for himself and those fine, brave liberals were walking on the broken bodies of the mortality wounded to get out.

    And Rutherford wants me to believe there is no difference in character between the two groups? Hah.

  146. In Philadelphia last night I read it was every man for himself and those fine, brave liberals were walking on the broken bodies of the mortality wounded to get out.

    Wow do I call bullshit on that. What conservative rag did you pull that crap out of? World Nut Daily? Every tragedy has its share of heroes and this one was no exception.

    It’s amazing how you talk such shit. Fortunately you’re among friends.

  147. You get past Ennis, TX, and it’s three hours at 85mph of wide open spaces and the finest road stops and convenience stores in the world – complete with nature trails that are actually kind of pretty.

    Enjoy while you can, before Obama declares martial law when he invades TX this summer. 🙄

  148. What conservative rag did you pull that crap out of?

    I’ve had to watch you eat crow so many times, I lose count. But I never grow tired of it. LOL

    Read ‘um and weep, scum bag, straight from a Dim Congressman’s mouth:

    “People didn’t care about anyone else, so stepping over people and stuff,” he said. “So I pushed out the emergency window. I had to lift myself up because it was kind of on the ceiling and then lifted people up.” ~ Dem Congressman Patrick Murphy

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/05/13/former-congressman-patrick-murphy-on-board-derailed-train-shares-photos-from-inside-wreckage/

  149. Ha. Liberals don’t believe in men being men. The disgusting display of cowardice is no surprise.

    They tip like shit. Talk shit only when its safe, give less to charity, serve in the armed forces way less and more likely then not think sharing a shitter with a woman in a unisex bathroom a good thing.

    They fucking suck, man.

  150. I watched an interview with Patrick Murphy and he said nothing about selfish behavior during the tragedy. What’s more, another passenger talked about cooperation.

    You and anyone else who says there were no acts of heroism in this tragedy is a total joke not to be taken seriously.

  151. Honestly, I don’t know anything about the train ride.

    But…I stereotype liberal men with full confidence.

    Hell….I know liberals that agree with me.

  152. Fox is crapping its pants because Obama said they distort our perception of the poor. Then Jon Stewart, bless his heart, proved with clip after clip how Fox disrespects the poor.

    This is why I’ll be sad to see Stewart go. Man busts Fox like Rabbit slams a softball out of the field.

  153. Rutherford, I just gave you the direct quote. You can’t handle reality. You can’t handle the truth. Philadelphia is a shit hole like the shit hole you came from – a jungle of New Black Panthers and self-serving libs, grievance hustlers and con artists – in other words, the Land of Lefty.

    It’s no wonder they were stepping on broken bodies and certainly no surprise.

    Andrew Cheng, visiting from Singapore, was traveling with 14 relatives when he was thrown to the ground like a rag doll, along with other passengers, he told KYW.

    “Some were piling on top of the others.”

    Rutherford, you are Baltimore.

  154. This is why I’ll be sad to see Stewart go. Man busts Fox like Rabbit slams a softball out of the field.

    What a crock. Stewart caters to the weak-minded and uses buffoons like you as a laugh line. That coward is leaving because he’s observant enough to recognize the cracks growing and doesn’t have the guts to sink with the ship of fools. So is Harry Reid – he knows in the next election, he’s beat.

  155. Who knew Rutherford was one of the ones standing on the dead bodies? Jon Stewart just shit his tiny britches.

    “While first responders were still trying to get crash victims off the smoking trains, partisans took to Twitter to explain why all this had happened: those awful Republicans were starving Amtrak of cash. . . . Amtrak lost nearly $1.3 billion in 2013. Since its creation, Amtrak has racked up over $31 billion in accumulated losses. And every penny of those losses has been covered by federal taxpayers. Amtrak has a lot of problems. A lack of taxpayer generosity is not one of them, not even close. . . . Given that the bulk of its rail traffic occurs in the well-heeled Northeast corridor, the company primarily serves as a means of transferring wealth from middle America to D.C., New York, and Boston. In its current form, Amtrak is less a for-profit passenger rail corporation and more a union jobs program (its ridiculous labor contracts are a major reason why the company is perpetually swimming in red ink). Despite all the disingenuous chatter about a lack of infrastructure funding for Amtrak, the company’s salary costs absolutely dwarf its infrastructure depreciation expenses. In 2013, for example, Amtrak spent $2.1 billion on salaries, while it recorded $687 million in annual depreciation costs. Amtrak’s pension losses alone in 2013 totaled $425 million.”

    Another rat hole for massive Lib failure.

  156. Obama’s statements about Boehner, McConnell and Fox were embarrassingly arrogant and stupid, Rutherford. Stewart couldn’t have fixed that.

    Sorry your black Jesus is such a joke. But you trying to take up for stupidity is. . . well. . .equally stupid.

    Now, where do I send a check to Amtrack. MSNBC has me convinced. “Infrastructure.” And, of course, electrolytes.

  157. Rutherford, is that what you were referring to?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jon-stewart-fox-news-poverty_n_7281446.html

    Since Stewart wants to play a game, I would like to ask you to play a game. And I don’t know the answer. But Stewart does all of your thinking. . . er. . . heavy lifting for you (gotta relax those lobes), so it shouldn’t be hard:

    Can you find me any of the clips that he played in full context and show me that they substantiate Obama’s statement that:

    “And I think the effort to suggest that the poor are sponges, leeches, don’t want to work, are lazy, are undeserving, got traction.”

    Remember, you can splice together sound bites to make Brian Williams sound like he’s rapping like Snoop Dog.

    I would like to see if what Obama said Fox said concerning character of the poor generally was correct or if Stewart spliced together sound bites.

    Go!

  158. p.s. I know you won’t do it R. The truth is that Tex is absolutely right: Stewart caters to the weak-minded.

  159. I find the general population of the US weak-minded. Therefore, if Stewart caters to such, he knows his prime audience. I find much of his material funny and smart, but he’s a gatekeeper so I don’t expect any real revelations.

    It seems no one is safe from ISIS. I wonder if the weak-minded can figure out who these ‘extremists’ are working for? It seems they are doing the Zionist’s dirty work…

    http://rt.com/news/256941-isis-attack-gaza-hamas/

  160. Of course the general population is weak minded. So weak in fact, many look to Stewart as a legitimate source of news and commentary — something he himself does not endorse. Like someone that finds Fiore cartoons clever, it’s a sad commentary on the weakness of intellect from large segments of the political spectator class.

  161. Tex, believe what you want. I heard a passenger say there was cooperation. Even if I didn’t hear it, human nature dictates that some folks rise to the challenge and go above and beyond regardless of political leanings.

    Just as there were those in the OK City bombing who crapped their pants and ran away, probably over dead children’s bodies.

    Sometimes you’re just a very silly man.

  162. Here you go, Rutherford. Those “reparations” you seek. Stunning. Perhaps it is time for you “black folk” and the feckless Jew hater and welfare fraud Poolman to admit a harsh truth – you’ve blown it. 🙂

    Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $19.8 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2011 dollars) on means-tested welfare.

    In comparison, the cost of ALL military wars in U.S. history from the Revolutionary War through the current war in Afghanistan has been $6.98 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2011 dollars).

    The War on Poverty has cost three times as much as all other wars combined. ~ Stephen Daggett, Costs of Major U.S. Wars, Congressional Research Service, June 29, 2010.

  163. And, of course, electrolytes.

    I’m not hip. Can you clue me into the nature of this joke you’ve made at least twice now?

    As for Stewart, watch the piece. He nails Fox beyond a reasonable doubt.

  164. Rutherford, your party and its leader are overwhelmingly rank cowards. It is in large part why the military disdains an ingrate like you and loathes your black jesus.

    You know why President Platitude is big on the drone war, even bragging of his killing prowess? There is little risk to his reputation – Obama is a coward.

    You are a self-absorbed coward and a liar. You are quick to insult and assassinate the character of Christianity and Judaism, but you give Islam a pass. But you’ll milk the security that we provide you.

  165. Stewart doesn’t nail anybody but in the deluded mind. 🙄 Stewart is a coward who enriches himself on the backs of low information, no information voters. Stewart is to entertainment what the black sociologist professor is to academia.

    A fraud making a nice living on the abject stupidity and naivety of the audience.

  166. All I remember about the North Shore of all of Long Island on my many trips there, was that you could walk across the water.

    Filth – like the bottom half of New York.

  167. “As for Stewart, watch the piece. He nails Fox beyond a reasonable doubt.”

    Did I link to the wrong one? I even went to HuffPo for it since that’s geared for the lukewarm dem intellect that would look to Stewart as the harbinger of a conservative thrashing. 😆

  168. R, as I said, it’s from Idiocracy, which is just like your adopting the stupid “Infrastructure” mantra from your liberal media that can’t even wait for the bodies to cool before going for a totally bullshit political angle. Seriously R. Just stop reflexing adopting the leftist manipulative.

    The movie has many scenes that go something like this:

  169. I would like to see if what Obama said Fox said concerning character of the poor generally was correct or if Stewart spliced together sound bites.

    LOL This reminds me of the scene in Better Call Saul where Jimmy and Chuck request a 20 million dollar settlement or “we’ll see you in court” and the opposing firm buries them in paper work as an obfuscation technique.

    No, I’m not playing that game. If you are really trying to suggest that “the leeches vote for Obama” was an edited sound bite of “I don’t think that the leeches vote for Obama” then you think me far more stupid than I ever imagined.

  170. Rutherford. Singular question. Very simple.

    In 2009, Congress and a super majority Congress passed a $862,000,000,000 stimulus package for shovel ready jobs intended to “fix” America’s infrastructure and stop the bleeding. I hope you remembered that.

    That $862,000,000,000 billion dollars with interest accruing putting it well over $1,000,000,000,000 dollars eventually, exceeded the entire cost of the Eisenhower Interstate System adjusted for inflation based dollars.

    Why didn’t your Progressive Party mandate speed controls form Amtrak then?

  171. but you give Islam a pass.

    Wrong again. I consider all religions deeply steeped in foolishness. What I DON’T like are self righteous Christians such as yourself crapping on another man’s belief system that boasts a billion followers and has stood the test of time, almost as much time as Christianity. What I don’t like is your extrapolating the radical behavior of a segment of the religion to the entire religion. What I don’t like is your refusal to seek understanding (as a true Christian would do) and your preference for stoking conflict.

    If you were willing to have a chuckle about the resurrection, I’d gladly join you in a chuckle about the 37 virgins. Unfortunately, your myth is the truth while Hamid’s myth is false prophecy.

  172. Why didn’t your Progressive Party mandate speed controls form Amtrak then?

    First, you and Tigre REFLEXIVELY think I blame conservatives for the Amtrak disaster. Where have I actually ever said that in this thread? I said we need infrastructure improvement badly. Did I say it was GOP fault we didn’t’ have it? Tex, you’re absolutely right. While I happen to believe the stimulus probably wasn’t big enough, it most likely was poorly spent in the first place. Dem’s are as much to blame for our sorry third world country condition as Republicans, regardless of what they or MSNBC says.

  173. As for Jon Stewart, he is not a journalist. But satire often sheds light on subjects that a straight forward news story does not. Jon Stewart deserves your ridicule for not lampooning MSNBC as much as he goes after Fox and CNN. (And by the way, he goes after CNN all the time.) That doesn’t mean that he didn’t nail Fox to the wall in the piece highlighted by HuffPo.

  174. Your moral equivocation is noted, Rutherford.

    Now, I not only call you a coward and ingrate, but an utterly dishonest man and fool. It’s not surprising you can’t differentiate good from evil and right from wrong, because frankly you are party to evil – a mendacious man, proud and unedifying, steeped in the formative years of older fools whose profound ignorance defines the generational gap.

    You have no enlightenment, Rutherford. And that’s the most ironic part. You curse me now. But soon, you will curse those you once greatly admired. Guaranteed…

  175. First, you and Tigre REFLEXIVELY think I blame conservatives for the Amtrak disaster. Where have I actually ever said that in this thread? I said we need infrastructure improvement badly. Did I say it was GOP fault we didn’t’ have it? Tex, you’re absolutely right. While I happen to believe the stimulus probably wasn’t big enough, it most likely was poorly spent in the first place. Dem’s are as much to blame for our sorry third world country condition as Republicans, regardless of what they or MSNBC says.

    This whole statement, once again steeped in lies, deflection and the disingenuous. You traffic in lies and misinformation, Rutherford – weak propagandist.
    First, I said nothing about you blaming conservatives. I asked a simple question which you didn’t answer other than the inanity of it wasn’t large enough. You didn’t even address the very premise of the question (are you that stupid or just obtuse?). You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
    Second, you are indeed as ignorant as I believe if you can’t recognize not only did Obama lie about the stimulus which was nothing but a slush fund to his contributors, but you then want to double down with more money to the same people to waste yet again. No wonder you can’t manage your own money wisely and your cities are falling apart. What true imbecile you are – you don’t even capitalize on the theft and waste.
    You accuse me of not understanding your home base? Is that a joke? You know nothing of America but that little bubble you live in. Not every place in America has crumbling infrastructure. Some of it is outstanding. But you wouldn’t know that, though you frequently engage in subjects you know nothing about, either hoping the rest of don’t notice or so used to the fact the other imbeciles you parrot don’t know either.
    I grade your knowledge with F U.

  176. Rutherford defined:

    It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong. ~ Thomas Sowell

    Rutherford once again defined:

    The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. ~ Thomas Sowell

  177. What I don’t like is your refusal to seek understanding (as a true Christian would do) and your preference for stoking conflict.

    You’re demanding I follow your lead of relativism and untruthfulness for the sake of political expediency.

    How Obama like you really are. 😉

  178. “No, I’m not playing that game. If you are really trying to suggest that “the leeches vote for Obama” was an edited sound bite of “I don’t think that the leeches vote for Obama” then you think me far more stupid than I ever imagined.”

    Of course you’re not playing that or any game because it’s too taxing for the weak-minded. You know Stewart spliced sound bites if you watched the very clip I linked to (that I’m guessing isn’t the one you saw???). You know, a commentator’s banner statement for a debate on a particular viewpoint held by the guest as opposed to Fox “sponsoring” that viewpoint.

    Ever seen that done?

    Oh yeah, Michelle Antoinette just did it at Tuskegee when she complained about the “baby momma” comment SHE HERSELF MADE THAT WAS REPORTED ON “CABLE NEWS.”

    I DEFINATELY think someone that considered that a Stewart thrashing you far more stupid than you ever imagined.

  179. I stopped in for a sec and haven’t gone through all the comments, but I HAD to refute this…

    In comparison, the cost of ALL military wars in U.S. history from the Revolutionary War through the current war in Afghanistan has been $6.98 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2011 dollars).

    I call bullshit. The Pentagon couldn’t account for more than 3 trillion before 911 and now they can’t account for another 2 trillion that they spent since. That’s 5 trillion from the their ‘public accountability budget’ and doesn’t include and black budgets.

    They are by far the most wasteful, unaccountable, planet-trashing, people-trashing force this of hell.

  180. “First, you and Tigre REFLEXIVELY think I blame conservatives for the Amtrak disaster.”

    I think your reflexively regurgitate whatever line you are fed by the leftist propagandists, primarily MSNBC.

    Electrolytes!

  181. @ Rutherford I think trans-continental rail is not a good idea but otherwise I think we’re on the same page on this one. US infrastructure is the step child nobody wants to love properly and as such we get what the shaft.

  182. I call bullshit. The Pentagon couldn’t account for more than 3 trillion before 911 and now they can’t account for another 2 trillion that they spent since. That’s 5 trillion from the their ‘public accountability budget’ and doesn’t include and black budgets.

    This man is such an utter farce that masks the stench of what he really is making even Rutherford look profound in thought, I hesitate to even answer the Tool™. Not only does he traffic in nothing but lies, conspiracies and wild innuendo, his math skills are even more abysmal. But I don’t want to miss another in a long line of opportunities to point out this man’s virtually unlimited capacity to market in stupidity.

    Tool™:

    Even if your own bullshit claim was true, dummy, and we added your $5 trillion that can’t be accounted for (laughing and pointing fingers at you), and we took all that inflation into account, it still would not exceed the $19.8 trillion to lift the “unliftable” dregs like you out of poverty.

    Why are you still incapable of comparing two numbers, brick? You are now a middle aged adult. With a business (cough cough).

    I sometimes marvel that you can will the mind power to lift the spoon to your mouth, Poolman.

  183. No, I’m not instructing you. Jesus is instructing you, through me. Besides, Archie was a fictional character, dock worker and union man – who in real life was you while in blackface. 😉

    And yes, though you’re not entirely inane and conspiratorial like Tool™man, due to a lifetime of failed influences, MSNBC overdose, Obama lag, and penchant for racialism…

    …I think the conclusions you draw rival Toolman’s in their depth and idiocy. Truly, I do.

  184. Stewart is the Rank Minister of Propaganda.

    You sure you went to Harvard and not Hogwarts, Rutherford?

    Who’s Parker?

  185. “Oh yeah, Michelle Antoinette just did it at Tuskegee when she complained about the “baby momma” comment SHE HERSELF MADE THAT WAS REPORTED ON “CABLE NEWS.” “

    Figures.

    Defence by offence.

  186. It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.

    Yup after W we should never elect another Republican.

  187. You know, a commentator’s banner statement for a debate on a particular viewpoint held by the guest as opposed to Fox “sponsoring” that viewpoint.

    Ahhh I forgot “fair and balanced”. Despite its love and compassion for the poor, Fox puts that British asshole on the air in honor of the First Amendment.

    The sound bites were representative not out of context. You’re embarrassing yourself by defending them.

  188. Prove me wrong, R.

    Or should I say, “embarrass me.”

    The quotes themselves don’t make the statement about “the poor” as Obama stated and I know you’re not discerning enough to pick up on because. . . well Comedy Central is enlightening to you. And in any event, they are little blurbs.

    This is the very challenge Stewart made in his piece that you are so fond of.

    Is this too taxing for you?

  189. Yup after W we should never elect another Republican.

    Well clearly after Obama, we should never elect a Dimocrat either. Right? Has there been a bigger failure in all of American history than Obama, the man who single-handedly reset Russia to the USSR?

    Or after criticizing George Bush for accumulating so much debt, then proceeded to double the rate of debt accumulation? How about Obama increasing the poverty rolls by 50%, or as we discussed this morning, wasted over a trillion dollars with no perceivable benefit? Oversaw the lowest work force participation rates in American history, or presided over middle class wages declining every year of his Presidency?

    A man who promised to restore America’s reputation, then not only to further degrade the reputation, but the blog owner has never managed to name even on country that Obama has appreciable restored the relationship?

  190. “Wrong again. I consider all religions deeply steeped in foolishness.”

    I understand your “logic” tells you that the New testament is a massive conspiracy and that Christ Himself was not involved in the plot, and further would be none to happy about it if He were walking the earth today.

    And you’re quite serious about that.

    You eschew labels that are perfectly reasonable descriptions of your beliefs. Your outrage over Geller is a farce. You arrogate the fairness of your own bigotry with gibberish about Falwell and teh gay. You would rather laugh at the Fox Noos than confront your own apathy for the poor. You go on about infrastructure and climate change and you don’t even recycle. It all reads so callow to me, your system of beliefs. Callow and aloof, hiding out in your dorm room waiting for the next late night rap session to commence.

    Wrong again?

  191. You go on about infrastructure and climate change and you don’t even recycle. <

    Ouch, Rutherford. 😆 Butt slapped again by the most talented disser on the board. Ridem’ pony!

    It’s a damn shame that charlatan Jon Steward cannot slither over to get his head stomped with his cabal of untalented hack writers. But then, Stewart like so many cowardly Leftists is too busy crawling over the bodies too. Pure presentation, no substance. Reads like Obama. 🙂

  192. Muffy I honestly don’t understand how you can watch Stewart roll out clip after clip of Fox “personalities” coming off callous re the poor and call it propaganda.

    See this is when I find the blog the most disheartening. When we can all watch the same damn video and see different things.

    The ONLY valid argument against Stewart’s approach is to say the clips were accurate but represent only a small portion of the 24/7 news channel. I’d say it’s typical of their coverage. You’d say it isn’t. That’s a reasonable disagreement. But to claim the clips don’t say what they clearly say. I don’t get that.

  193. Well clearly after Obama, we should never elect a Dimocrat either.

    We should probably

    1) throw ALL the bums out
    2) get money out of politics
    3) then dust off our constitution and start from scratch

    I’m not sure there is any fixing the current clusterfuck.

  194. BTW my world view is limited, as you know, but I don’t think Russia’s play for Ukraine makes it the old USSR which was composed of several now independent states.

    If you’re saying the Kremlin is getting a bit of its old mojo back, I can’t argue. But hardly the old USSR.

  195. Muffy I just got another damn job rejection email, damning me to several more months of a miserable phone job so I’m not up to answering your psycho-analysis right now. Maybe later.

  196. You go on about infrastructure and climate change and you don’t even recycle.

    I wasn’t going to address this but I’ll go for the low hanging fruit. What does recycling have to do with infrastructure?

  197. I never understood how people could wearxsun glasses. Dark horrible vision, annoying plastic crap.

    My brother talked me into to buying a 100 dollar plus pair of polarized Ray Bans….

    I can not believe how awesome these things are. I’m pissed I played a thousand games on the diamond battling the sun as some wirey short stop is firing a canon at me. Stupid.

    Best hundred bucks I’ve spent in a long time. Redefines going outside in the sun.

  198. “Muffy I honestly don’t understand how you can watch Stewart roll out clip after clip of Fox “personalities” coming off callous re the poor and call it propaganda.

    See this is when I find the blog the most disheartening. When we can all watch the same damn video and see different things.

    The ONLY valid argument against Stewart’s approach is to say the clips were accurate but represent only a small portion of the 24/7 news channel. I’d say it’s typical of their coverage. You’d say it isn’t. That’s a reasonable disagreement. But to claim the clips don’t say what they clearly say. I don’t get that.”

    I didn’t watch the clip. There’s no reason to. I also didn’t write any of the rest of that stuff you’re griping about.

    Jon Stewart is a propagandist.

  199. That’s how they reject people now? By email? Isn’t that convenient? You don’t even have to have the courtesy to made the disappointing call – just mass mail. Did they place your name right, or was it one of those “To Whom It May Concern…” abominations.

    Rutherford, if it is any consolation, and it is not, why would you want to work for people so classless and unprofessional and subject yourself to that kind of idiocy, stress, and stupidity? That’s an indictment of a shit company by itself.

    And Huck wonders why I haven’t made the attempt to reengage Corporate America? There is no amount of potential money that could coax me to go through the horse shit Rutherford finds himself now.

  200. “Rutherford, if it is any consolation, and it is not, why would you want to work for people so classless and unprofessional and subject yourself to that kind of idiocy, stress, and stupidity?”

    Amen.

    I always take the time write something that expresses the fact that I give a shit and if they (a candidate) wants to discuss the decision they can give me a call. Obviously some of the verbiage is cut and paste, but a generic email is a kind of “fuck you” — one that deserves no more than “well, fuck you too.”

  201. I’m having a hard time getting too wee-wee’d up over the Stephanopoulos donation. Was there some question about him being on the Clinton team?

  202. And Huck wonders why I haven’t made the attempt to reengage Corporate America? There is no amount of potential money that could coax me to go through the horse shit Rutherford finds himself now.

    Its all done electronically now, from application to rejection, if you’re lucky enough to hear back at all.

    Stay home dude. The constant humiliation isn’t worth it.

  203. Fuck R. You really lack the willingness or ability to look at something critically.

    I do love your Abderian laughter. The Stewart bit was fucking stupid.

  204. For the record, today’s email was generic with an opportunity to follow up on “why”. So I followed up. See if I get an answer. The email came from “no-reply@” so I’m not holding my breath.

    My old PITA job resumes on Monday and I’m hoping I get hit by a bus first. 😦

  205. I’m having a hard time getting too wee-wee’d up over the Stephanopoulos donation. Was there some question about him being on the Clinton team?

    He interviewed the Clinton Cash author without disclosing his own donation to the very subject of the book.

  206. “He interviewed the Clinton Cash author without disclosing his own donation to the very subject of the book.”

    I know. Doesn’t change what I said.

    He also said ABC had scrupulously examined the issue and found no evidence of impropriety and that was not true (they had two journalists that came to opposite conclusions).

  207. “I’m too damned lazy to separate shit. If it’s garbage, it’s garbage.”

    Judging by your stovetop, I’m surprised it isn’t considered decoration. 😆

  208. LOL I was going to say that just getting the garbage out of here is challenge enough, never mind separating it.

    My wife got annoyed cos I published a pic of our cluttered couch to Facebook. I told her it was a plea for help. 🙂

  209. My last job was all electronic. An online abyss of a thousand cyber applicants.

    I said fuck it and FedExed a hard copy of my resume requiring the big boss man to sign.

    I either wanted to get the job or piss him off. Win-win.

    I got the job.

  210. I love that story Rabbit. Unless you’re set like Tex dude, don’t ever lose that job. My life hasn’t been the same since 2007. It sucks to know your best earning years are behind you. American Dream man – six figures for mindless conference calls and pushing paper.

  211. Unless you’re set like Tex dude, don’t ever lose that job.

    Tex has no idea if he is set or not. I just know I’m not desperate enough to subject myself to the kind of crap you’re being forced to go through. If that makes me lazy, shiftless, or wasting my life, so be it. I know I don’t like being miserable.

    But Rutherford. You’re 13 years from Social Security. You might have a pension. You still got a 401k. Perhaps if you chose like I have to live small, you could do it without a high paying job. In your case, I would consider health care far more important than a salary.

  212. blog owner has never managed to name even on country that Obama has appreciable restored the relationship? – Tex

    I’ll say it for you R … Cuba! 🙂

    Hope that gives you a smile before you open your next rejection e-mail.
    Remember what Mittens said, “Corporations are people my friend.” And some people can be real assholes. Hang in there.

  213. I’ll say it for you R … Cuba! 🙂

    Yes, we discussed this before. On the very day Obama opened up new relations, Cuba murdered ten dissidents for good measure. 😐

    A question for Thor. Mitt Romney has made multi-millions from these corporations, led corporations, rebuilt corporations, carved up corporations, and his firm was rated the #1 best place to work in America his last year as head.

    Do you believe you and Barack Obama understand the make up of a corporation better than Mitt Romney would, and what do I call myself as a stockholder? A thing or a place?

    “Yes, but, David, I think the analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant.” ~ Before ISIS took over the city of Fallujah

    Yes We Can!

  214. I haven’t done anything with a computer except file my weather report since yesterday. We are home again. A lot happened during my short vacation.

    We have recycled for years. We separate cans, plastics, etc and drive them sixteen miles to where we buy our groceries. Recycling helps the infrastructure by lessening the demand for metal ore and the raw materials for items like plastic. Recycling also creates a few jobs.

    My wife and I have never ridden on Amtrack trains, but we liked Eurorail. What do they do that we don’t ? The Democrats have once again demonstrated their ghoulishness as they did with episodes like the Slow Bleed. They accused Republican’s spending policies of causing the wreck.

    I read this morning that after speed caused the wreck, Democrats will have to use something else. We can use their tactics against them The engineer is, according to the blog, an active campaigner for gay marriage. He says he doesn’t remember events prior to the crash.

    The blog writer cited research which shows that gay men are more likely to suffer from depression and to engage in risky activities. One behavior is drugs. Another is suicide attempts. Its unfair to cast such aspersions, but Democrats do it all of the time.

    George should be fired. I think his sin was greater than Brian Williams’, but both should go.

    Cuba is a poor example of a nation with better relations now than before Obama.

    I’m sad that BB King died. I am still a fan.

    Hang in Rutherford. We are rooting for you.

  215. Yeah, I didn’t even see B.B. died until an hour ago. 89. When music was still music. Now there is one brother that will be missed. 😈

    Can somebody sensible here, which rules out Rutherford, Thor, Ajax, and Poolman, please explain to me why it took the discovery of Clinton hack Stephanopoulos to be discovered giving money to the Clinton Foundation to rule this Hillary toe sucker out of consideration to MODERATE debates? Is this a joke?

    Why on this green earth is the Republican Establishment of Washington D.C. so stupid to even give consideration to Stephanopoulos as moderator? This weasel and perjurer, predator apologist is in his position because of the Clintons.

    And I can only surmise the reason these Republican assholes keep doing this is, is the fact the brokers are far more interested in remaining relevant at D.C. dinner parties than they are winning elections to fix America.

    I am just about to give up and let these criminal, dishonest Democrats take the country down with them. It’s not long off.

  216. “please explain to me why it took the discovery of Clinton hack Stephanopoulos to be discovered giving money to the Clinton Foundation to rule this Hillary toe sucker out of consideration to MODERATE debates? Is this a joke?”

    No shit.

    Priebus says there was never any plans to let him moderate a debate. So, the big “concession” was not a concession.

    Fuck, after Crowley, any GOP debates submitted to any of these liberal media fuckers should disqualify the whole party.

    Now, if someone could explain to me why the “corporations are people” line is so funny to our giggling teenage girls of business and economics, please enlighten. It kills me that they find the statement so funny. I guess their conditioned to accept the dumb MSNBC-grade laugh lines. Is it as funny when they say, “unions are people?”

    Fucking dumb.

  217. Tigre,

    I know I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. I’m not even baiting Rutherford or Thor when they read it. I mean this honestly.

    But if you look at dead bodies in Philadelphia train wreck and your first impulse is to figure out how to blame Republicans and call for more government, you are evil. And you are ignorant and unteachable if you have already forgotten not six years ago, our current President and his minions passed the biggest stimulus package in the history of the Republic passed on the promise of upgrading infrastructure.

    I would love to have an honest discussion with the other side. I really would. For a very brief time, I thought Rutherford might be that guy. Maybe Thor, a better behaved version of Rutherford. It’s become almost instinct just to mock because the Left never engages in real discussion. Doesn’t even make the attempt anymore. And that gets old. I can mock these duplicitous tools without thinking. But my real nature isn’t to mock. It’s to learn.

    I don’t know if deep down, guys like Rutherford realize his quasi religion has failed. Or if his instinct is to cower because guys like you and me have slammed their failures down upon them and they’ve grown allergic to math and numbers. I admit part of it is payback for the way they treated George Bush & Co. It actually goes far further back for me to the days of Robert Bork. The facts are in and the statistics don’t lie. Barack Obama and his party haven’t been mediocre. They have been a disaster in every which way. These guys if they are being truthful to what they type here are not lying to us – they are lying to themselves.

    If you look at the worst school systems in the nation and realize they’re all in big cities run by Democrats and have been for decades, when you observe cities burning and yet see no pattern of failure, I cannot believe you really have in interest in improving lives. #BlackLivesMatter is a hashtag and that passes for piety amongst the navel gazing narcissists. It is putrid.

    You know, I really wasn’t teasing the other day when I said I believe most Democrats are manic and too many of them are sociopaths.

    I know you’re not a particularly religious man, but I am telling you there is a pattern to these people that becomes more clear to me by the day. And the biblical word for it is chaff and tares.

  218. Tigre I watched a snippet of George Stephanopolus’ interview with the author of Clinton Cash and it was far from objective. He pretty aggressively defended team Clinton. That may be one reason the non disclosed donations are now biting him in the ass.

  219. Tex after 7 years I’ve finally got your number. You’re a charmer with the ladies. I thought it was just Muffy but I learned my lesson today.

    My daughter and I were discussing cyber bullying and I read her some of your best work. Her reply:

    “That’s not cyber bullying. That’s an intelligent response using specific examples.”

    Well fuck me!!!!

  220. I posted Prayer in C because I imagined how an agnostic or atheist would pray to God. ” God you never said a word. You never sent me no letters. Don’t think I could forgive you.”

    Progressives seem to be creating a false heaven on earth with their partisans as the source of all that is good. Like Lilly Wood’s god, they never send letters unless they want something or they when want to further restrict our freedoms. “Prick” as one of the artists fits progressives.

  221. That’s funny. I’ve never ever ever heard the phrase “unions are people”.

    Tigre I know subtlety is not your strongpoint but “corporations are made up of people” is different from “corporations are people”.

  222. “He pretty aggressively defended team Clinton. That may be one reason the non disclosed donations are now biting him in the ass.”

    Yeah. I know that too.

  223. “Tigre I know subtlety is not your strongpoint but “corporations are made up of people” is different from “corporations are people”.”

    Please fucking stop. You and everyone knew what he was saying. You’re a grown man. Jesus. You and Thor really sound like idiots when you get to giggling over this.

  224. “I’ve never ever ever heard the phrase “unions are people”.”

    Well, now you have.

    Is it funny to you?

  225. James the lyrics to Prayer in C were interesting. Tex makes a decent point that there is something nonsensical about railing against a God that “doesn’t exist”.

  226. Tigre the distinction is important as it relates to Citizens United which as I (mis)understand it gave free speech rights to corporations. That is not what the founders intended by the First Amendment.

  227. R, the childish corporations aren’t people bit is right in line with Obama’s dumb attack on Fox and your awe of Stewart’s brilliance in tearing down his critics. 🙄

    I assure you that probably all of the clips on Fox were some intro, summation of arguments, or sound bites related to policy or ideological disagreements over entitlements.
    Yet the reflexive brain-dead liberal must look, and ultimately distort to further the message that conservatives are always motivated in part by evil. It is standard operating procedure for the left. There is never such thing as a policy/ideological disagreement just improper motives and malevolence. Obama plays you for a fool with this routine.

    Those Fox clips in no way show that Fox news (and conservatives by association) disdain “the poor.” That the vultures could finally feast if only the weak were starved into submission. That “being poor” as opposed to criticism of bloated entitlements is what’s being mocked rather than glaring example of the existence and tolerance of entitlement abuse with no discernible outcome envisioned by those want to expand it even further.

    Quit being so easily manipulated for fuck’s sake. The left’s rush to demonize conservatives on the bodies of dead Amtrak passengers is SOP for your thought leaders and ought to be recognized as such by you — then motivate some reassessment.

    But I won’t hold my breath.

  228. I’m having a hard time getting too wee-wee’d up over the Stephanopoulos donation. Was there some question about him being on the Clinton team?

    Ok Casablanca and bimbo movie clips aside, this comment by Tigre confused me. The first sentence totally made me miss the sarcasm of the second sentence.

    My bad.

  229. I assure you that probably all of the clips on Fox were some intro, summation of arguments, or sound bites related to policy or ideological disagreements over entitlements.

    No shit. Now you’re the one needing a Casablanca video.

    The “Fox right” objects to entitlements going out to “leeches”. Much of the anti-entitlement fervor comes down to the belief that most of the poor are shiftless lazy leeches. That is the ENTIRE point.

    And pleeeeeeze don’t lecture me on impugning the motives of conservatives until you lecture your boys Tex and Rabbit, as they call libs evil and infer the most vile motives behind their beliefs.

  230. Tex I have a question for you. Since you’re a big Mitt fan, how do you feel about Carly? Does her biz background qualify her for POTUS?

    Actually, I am not a big Mitt fan. He is far too milquetoast and a bit to moderate for my persuasion. You will remember he was not my choice. The guy leading the pack right now was my choice going by the name Rubio.

    But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, there has never been a wider gulf in talent between two individuals running for President when America chose poorly in 2012. Romney is a smart cat who has proven quite prescient in his predictions since then. Obama was and is a ruse, a charlatan. Russia ring any Dear Leader bells?

    There must be something about Carly, Rutherford. She did after all, rise from secretary to CEO. You don’t do that without talent. You like to point to her failure, but I would remind you Steve Jobs was once considered a pushed out failure after overseeing a drop in stock price and revenue. Carly took over an already damaged brand that has never recovered. I can list several old horses like that. Eastman Kodak and IBM come to mind. 🙂 IBM’s stock price, however…

    IMO, Carly has actually been the most well spoken of all candidates, either party. But I reserve judgment until I know everything she stands for. I think Ron Paul sounded reasonable once upon a time too and he was – about social mores and the debt.

    I have no horse in the race yet.

  231. I absolutely hate to say this but Carly gave one of the best interviews on Meet the Press last week that I’ve ever seen. Her response to being fired by HP seemed straightforward. Her knowledge of the vagaries of the stock market were dead on.

    In another interview she schooled a reporter on the definition of outsourcing. Again she was correct.

    Her resemblance to Lady Fairchild on Mr. Rogers neighborhood is damn hard on the eyes. Who knows? Put her brains in Sarah Palin’s body and I might be in a pickle.

    But hell, I’m even wondering if that gaunt wicked witch face might be a by product of her cancer treatments. I saw a pic of her from years ago and she looked a lot better. Or maybe she just ain’t aging well.

    I will say this. I have zero doubt that her international interactions were more productive than Hillary’s. Thats a sad statement for a Sec of State.

  232. Now, if someone could explain to me why the “corporations are people” line is so funny to our giggling teenage girls of business and economics, – ET

    It’s not funny. What’s funny is the way you guys wet your pants every time you hear it. 🙂
    You are spot on. He actually goes on to explain that corporations are made up of people, blah, blah, blah. But where is the fun in that? I actually think “Binders full of women” was funnier, but it’s a lot harder to work into a conversation.

    Yes, I know nothing about corporations. I don’t know that they are an abstract concept, developed as a shield against litigation. I don’t know that their board rooms are cushy landing zones for beltway rejects. I don’t know that they are a place for good people to change the lives of millions and psychopaths to ruin the lives of millions. I don’t know that large corporations with their 736-levels-of-management flow charts completely divide the people making the products from the people making the money (and the decisions). But I do know they are infiltrating our political system, and that’s why the idiocy of “corporations are people” must remain a joke, and not be allowed to become a really bad nightmare.

    R, you keep asking why Jeb hasn’t announced yet. It’s because he won’t be able to raise money for his PAC once he does. Yes, there are still some rules on money in this thunder dome of a political process. But I think they are waning. At the risk of sounding like Pools, maybe people will finally realize who is running the show in July 2016 when the coronations of Bush and Clinton, two of the more despised names in politics, are presented to us as our “choice”.

    Not running, but I’ll be out ’til tonight. This is exactly what I was talking about, Tex, when I said I just don’t like investing the time any more in the back and forth. It gives me great pleasure, but there are other things I should be doing. You guys and gals are seductive. 🙂

  233. “Much of the anti-entitlement fervor comes down to the belief that most of the poor are shiftless lazy leeches. That is the ENTIRE point.”

    The idea that “the right hates” the while “the left loves” is a nasty lie to tell people.

    What other president has talked like this?

    If you honestly believe that you and the rest of your party and especially fucking Hollywood have greater love for humanity than the rest of us then you’re hopelessly brainwashed

  234. So upon further review I find the the use of the crash of Amtrak 188 to be somewhat overhyped and on the other hand missing the mark. Basically I find both sides guilty of partisanship on this one.
    The vote that did indeed cut funding to Amtrak came less than 24 hours from the crash but the vote was coming no matter what. It was not a punitive action for Amtraks failures or Brandon Bastion being a lying sack of shit.
    On the flip side however a retreat from actual governance is not an answer America needs. Our infrastructure is in trouble. Our infrastructure funding is a mess. Both are only going to get worse.
    The prattle about the technological marvel of speed control is dead to me as the ACS Cities Sprinter 64 by Seimens (the engine involved in crash) is equipped with a speedometer and an alarm system that requires the engineer to actively engage a control otherwise the train stops itself.
    There just has to be a huge human error with this one and Brandon Bastion should be forcibly brought in for immediate questioning. This system is ridiculous

  235. Romney and Ivander Holyfield will box for charity on Friday night. Holyfield will pull his punches as Romney did during the least presidential election.

  236. Hey Alfie, I’m hearing the train ACCELERATED right before the crash. I’m wondering if this was a suicide attempt akin to the plane crash a couple of months ago.

  237. And Thor, this is why your absence has been noted. Though most of what you type in the political realm is nonsense, elementary and superficial, for some odd reason I enjoy your company. 😉 Though I think your hopelessly lost, I enjoy your attempts at humor. You strike me as a good natured lib and a good father – that alone deserves some accommodation. You remind me sometimes of another good natured lefty Rutherford and I would frequent who passed too soon.

    But your response does beg a question. For all the faults of corporations, and they are many, what is your suggestion for means of employment? Do you buy the Barack Obama share the wealth mantra, more governance and the social justice warrior theme?

    Or more specifically, being that corporations have existed for well over a century now, is there a place on earth you find appreciating the wealth of more people? This meme of small business stuff is mostly garbage. And I’ll tell you why.

    One, many of the highest paying small businesses are completely dependent on success or failure of large businesses – automotive, manufacturing and airlines being three obvious feeders. Second, many if not most of small businesses not dependent on large businesses would not pay a middle class wage to the whole of their employees and in fact, frequently the only real benefactor of great wealth in a small business is the owner.

  238. Actually you’ve been leading up to that Fiorina jive with some real condescending schlock, Rutherford. It’d be worth discussing if it weren’t so laughable. Besides, I know why you’re doing it and it’s easy to shrug that debris off.

  239. I saw a comment today that I wished I had seen earlier about Thor’s claim to establishing relationship with Cuba being superb. This retort would have been priceless.

    Good news! All those lefties will soon be able to stop problematically burdening our flawed American health care system, and instead take a short trip to the socialist miracle that is the Cuban healthcare system!

    Here’s a bottle of rum and a can of Roach-Be-Gone. You’ll need them both.

    Hoisted by their own petard. 😈

  240. Muffy, it certainly doesn’t take a fine mind like yours to determine why Rutherford seems entirely infatuated with Ms. Carly, who along with Rubio, perhaps Walker and Cruz, has been the most impressive of the Republican possibilities so far in my estimation.

    One slip of the tongue, one misstatement of fact, will demote Ms. Fiorina quicker to the bowels of Palin hell quicker than gossip spreads in proggie land. I honestly do believe Rutherford has a hang up with women, but an immense one with women who don’t share his “religion.”

    I have many grievances with Hillary Clinton. Clinton being a woman is the least of the my concerns, other than the fact she plays poor, little woman all too well and runs interference for a cad. But I’m not sure Rutherford could say the same of his female political adversaries.

  241. Truly OCD. We all know that you know the difference between to and too (and two for that matter).

    That I am, made all the more prevalent by Thor’s returning to the board. I remember once upon a time spelling Capitol Hill as Capital Hill and being unmercifully hounded until I started correcting Thor in return. 😛

  242. I reckon I’m not quote finished yet.

    “Her resemblance to Lady Fairchild on Mr. Rogers neighborhood is damn hard on the eyes. Who knows? Put her brains in Sarah Palin’s body and I might be in a pickle.

    But hell, I’m even wondering if that gaunt wicked witch face might be a by product of her cancer treatments. I saw a pic of her from years ago and she looked a lot better. Or maybe she just ain’t aging well.”

    Shame on you, Rutherford.

  243. For all the faults of corporations, and they are many, what is your suggestion for means of employment?

    LOL Damn good question. I think the bottom line is check out the articles on “good places to work”. There are corporations (Ben and Jerry’s perhaps) that behave well. There are those that used to behave well and succumbed to pressure (IBM).

    Anyone who condemns corporations summarily is foolish.

    That said, the meat market nature of the job hunt is degrading and depressing. Funny thing is the hiring process is the only way some small companies can exercise their ego and power.

    I applied to one firm whose ENTIRE fucking staff was individually photographed on their web site but they were too important to give job applicants a solid yes or no in their application. You get an auto-responder email telling you “we’ve received your application” and then nothing.

    I was damned tempted to write them and say “you’re a two bit firm with 40 damn employees and you don’t have the time to treat me like a human being? It’s not like you’re getting thousands of applicants. No one knows who the fuck you are.”

  244. “Tigre the distinction is important as it relates to Citizens United which as I (mis)understand it gave free speech rights to corporations. That is not what the founders intended by the First Amendment.”

    This is gibberish.

    And it has nothing to do with snickers following “corporations are people.”

    But I’ve done all I can with you on Citizens United. I’m just going to have to tune you out on it. The combination of not understanding and stubbornly not wanting to understand is more than I can bare.

  245. Besides, I know why you’re doing it and it’s easy to shrug that debris off.

    You know why? Please Dr. Hartley, tell me why.

    I know you dislike me Muffy but you don’t know me at all if you think I REALLY believe that anyone should be judged by the way they look.

  246. “LOL Damn good question. I think the bottom line is check out the articles on “good places to work”.”

    You of course rely on Thor-grade cartoon imagery of what that term “really means” because you know nothing different than the giant Fortune 100 for some the usual reasons.

    In any event, there’ve been some pieces written (one in particular I would have to go looking for) that point out that the “corporations” that provide the working environment you think all of them should generally require a de facto anti-competitive monopoly. One that crushes competitors, controls the pricing, and limits employment by limiting competition.

  247. “One that crushes competitors, controls the pricing, and limits employment by limiting competition.” a/k/a a Rutherford’s employment nirvana — so long as he gets his.

  248. “The idea that “the right hates” the while “the left loves” is a nasty lie to tell people.”

    It is.

    But Obama and Stewart proved it. 🙄

  249. “Tigre, maybe I misunderstood you but I thought you were puzzled by why George’s donations were a big deal. Did I get that wrong?”

    No. I am puzzled why anyone is surprised or that anyone is dumb enough to think that it’s some kind revelation concerning his ethics/bias.

    He’s a mouse, duh.

  250. Shame on you, Rutherford.

    Oh goodness gracious. You don’t think I know that what I wrote was superficial and juvenile. Get over yourself

    P.S. Sorry for the HUGE Dr. Hartley photo – pasted it in on my cell phone and had no idea how big it was. .

  251. I was damned tempted to write them and say “you’re a two bit firm with 40 damn employees and you don’t have the time to treat me like a human being? It’s not like you’re getting thousands of applicants. No one knows who the fuck you are.”

    😆 Well, it’s not like you don’t have the time to write them. Put it on some real professional letterhead. Why didn’t you? Just like that. I think it’s time people started fighting back – publish their name across the globe. You think some small business wants their name dragged through the galaxy labeled as ASSHOLES? At least you will get a response. 😆

    I’ve actually done crap like that before. 😈 May not have gotten a job, but I smoked some asses in the process. They can take their bridges burned and shove that up their hole.

    Rutherford, you’re at a huge disadvantage besides being a lib. You’re outdated, old like me, cynical as hell, perceived to be expensive, know how the game is played, and most importantly you’re living in a town I will assume where you have few contacts. And we all know how you get your foot in the door once you get out of college as introduction – networking. I never did. I either was hired away, or quit in haste one time (huge mistake in retrospect) and spent seven months seeking work in this town.

    I personally think you should spare yourself the misery, learn to adapt like I did, do right by your kid, live a little smaller, and hang on. You’re still probably worth more than 80% of the nation. Scary, huh?

    You can live on far less than you think you can and still be comfortable.

  252. “Oh goodness gracious. You don’t think I know that what I wrote was superficial and juvenile. Get over yourself”

    I don’t care if you do know it. I’m holding you to a higher standard because your religion preaches against it and your congregation viciously condemns decent men on lesser offenses. And racism.

  253. Tiger be interested in seeing the article. It seems it may be a counter to ones I’ve read recently about industrial democracies

  254. I’m holding you to a higher standard because your religion preaches against it and your congregation viciously condemns decent men on lesser offenses

    Maybe I should switch “sides”. LOL

  255. “Tiger be interested in seeing the article. It seems it may be a counter to ones I’ve read recently about industrial democracies.”

    I’ll look. I don’t recall it being terribly lengthy and subject to (predictable) criticisms, but it did make a point concerning what is required of market conditions and capital to make employment benefits R and others like him believe should be standard fare.

    If you hit it with a Google search before I do, I think you’ll know it.

  256. But I’ve done all I can with you on Citizens United.

    Hey I think I’ve come a long way on the topic. I used to think it green lighted unlimited contributions. That’s what MSNBC keeps telling me. But it’s really only about free speech, correct?

    C’mon. Give a brotha credit for trying! 🙂

  257. One that crushes competitors, controls the pricing, and limits employment by limiting competition.

    I don’t think that describes Ben and Jerry’s.

  258. “Maybe I should switch “sides”. LOL”

    I just don’t see you holding up under the pressure of Jon Stewart “not liking” you. Plus where you going to get a core at this late stage of your life?

  259. Ahhhh Muffy. You clearly have no faith in “tomorrow”. I prescribe either “Annie” (never saw it but know the song) or “Rudolph” where Clarice sings to the red nosed reindeer.

    My conversion to your side could be “only a day away”. 🙂

  260. “I don’t think that describes Ben and Jerry’s.”

    Ben & Jerry no longer own the company.

    And I’m not talking about what you probably equate with an eco-conscience.

    A happy pappy hacky-sack workday?

    I can give personal examples of large companies with no (de facto) monopoly that provide extremely generous employee benefits and comfortable work environments. However, they are either closely held, ones that are possessed of the demon religion you so loathe, or privately held with no desire to expand their markets.

    BTW, who really competes with B&J in the super-premium ice cream market nationally other than say Haagen-Dazs (which we all know is owned by General Mills)?

  261. And make no mistake, B&J is the bomb.

    I consider a pint a single-serving.

    Alfie probably remembers Steve’s, which I remember hitting the shelves in Boston before B&J’s. I wonder if it’s still around.

    Sam Adams I believe directly responsible for igniting the craft beer craze. It’s now a giant.

  262. Re climate debate. Al Gore, Obama and other warmists are the fundamentalists they accuse conservative Christians of being. Like evangelistic ministers they seek control over their followers.

    Scientific theories are not settled. They change with new research. No European and Asian genetic connections with Neanderthals, the Clovis point, and that some Europeans are really mixed Asians are several of the shiboleths which passed for unassalable truth.

    I wait for your conversion with breath. It will be baited when I feel more confident of your evolutionary path, Rutherford.

  263. I just saw a commercial on the network news with back ground music which sounded like the Dandy Warhols’ “Bohemian Like You.” Another drum beat in a second commercial is like one in Katy Perry’s video “Last Friday Night.” I hate when I can’t be sure what I am hearing.

  264. 26 more days. And outside of little league games for my boy and my own softball games…..i get to once again dispensary into the summer haze. 12 weeks. Will be fishing, working on my hide out.

    Remember how much you liked when school was out for summer.

    Times it by 100 as a grown ass man.

  265. “Sam Adams I believe directly responsible for igniting the craft beer craze. It’s now a giant.”

    Agreed. And still pretty damn good.

    I wonder how many Michigan jobs Sam Adams is responsible for?

    I now buy beer completely locally. As in I walk up to the neighborhood brewery and get a growler.

    Soon…a second brewer is coming too…..specializing in Belgians.

    We are king of Beer, by the way.

  266. I hate when I can’t be sure what I am hearing.

    Install Shazam on your mobile phone. It “listens” to music and identifies it for you. Works for me about 80% of the time.

  267. Tex – I don’t bare ill will toward corporations. I just don’t want them getting their slimy influence all over elections. How about this. All individuals in this country can contribute $1 to any campaign and any corporation can contribute half that. They can still exercise their free speech, they just can’t use it to drown out everyone else’s voice. Of course, the media corporations wouldn’t like that one bit. And please don’t worry about my pedantic pencil. I put it away long ago when it comes to the regulars here.

  268. Alfie, I meant to ask you something relating to your remarks on gentrification. First of all, if it happens in the suburbs, is it still gentrification? And secondly, if some of these corporations build entirely self-contained communities for their workers, won’t that stifle creativity? There is one community in particular near where I grew up that now houses about 30,000 Microsoft workers and their families. It has its own theater, grocery store, Starbucks and hospital. Their kids all go to the same schools. With their employees living such similar life experiences, it seems there would be a danger of group-think, stunting innovation. Thoughts?

  269. “Their kids all go to the same schools. With their employees living such similar life experiences, it seems there would be a danger of group-think, stunting innovation. Thoughts?”

    You might be right about that. I find it odd people want to live with the people they work with.

    The suburb I grew up in was almost entirely made up of line workers for the Big 3. Obviously, innovation wasn’t key here, but there was definitely a down side living in a community completely built around the lifestyle and schedules of only auto workers.

    Fast food and bars open at 7 am. That sumed up the entire town.

  270. I just don’t want them getting their slimy influence all over elections. How about this. All individuals in this country can contribute $1 to any campaign and any corporation can contribute half that.

    I wish I thought your motives were pure. Since I never give a dime to political campaigns, I could certainly abide but I don’t trust Leftists any further than I can throw them believing most are liars, bipolar, self-absorbed, and dishonest brokers. Dims would find a way to funding to maximize their advantage. They appear to have no problem selling out the country for everything else.

    You and millions like you seem obsessed with Citizens United and the like, and I’m not sure why being Barack Obama unfortunately for America and history won in 2012. The irrationality that Libs have hating corporations makes even less sense for you and Rutherford. What Rutherford still has is mainly due to 24 years of working in a corporation. And if you’re honest, you will admit this social justice experiment of behemoth government has been an abysmal failure in every facet but enriching D.C..

    I never hear you complain about Shelly Antoinette dredging on about helping the working poor and middle class while feeding her ugly face at $35,800 fundraisers. The gas is so thick (like that victim speech she gave last week at Negro college), you strike a match and the place would explode. That woman is beyond awful.

    Plus, you Leftists didn’t have any problem with Barack’s nebulous contribution scheme in 2008 – thousands and thousands of contributors nobody could account for and the foreign influence the media seemed disinterested in. Then we’ve got shell game of the Clinton Foundation, clearly a front group to enrich the criminal Clintons. You have to be a moron to not understand Dims have these kinds of organizations all over the country, being I am convinced the Democratic Party not much different than a criminal racketeering enterprise.

    I don’t see any of you Leftists having a leg to stand on complaining about the influence of money in politics. Fact, I could make a good case you created the game to begin with.

  271. Just went outside and tapped my minivan.

    LOL! What I don’t like about making love to my truck is that it limits the positions more than my wife.

  272. @ dead rabbit your recent string of comments makes me thinks dispensary wasn’t a mistake…you got the Michigan marijuana thing going on or what ?

  273. I wish I loved marijuana because I have access to some “medicine” that will melt your face.

    As a man with stunted maturity, I do enjoy fondeling and smelling it secretly in my basement. Actually smoking it, not so much.

  274. @ Thor I think gentrification can happen in the suburban setting but that it is more noticeable,purposeful and impacting in the urban.
    As for the self contained community model and stifling creativity. The self contained model as you know isn’t a new concept in America so the tech giants who look to replicate it now are not totally original. The purpose behind doing it probably produces more positives for the class involved than negatives.
    I’ve been diving deeper and deeper into the topic lately and one thing that I think best answers your question is this. There is a school of thought that one of the things America had going for it in the 1940-1970 run was that although there were class and race divisions there was also a solid base of “commons”. The classic example goes something like this. The bankers daughter and the janitors son lived in different parts of town but likely went to the same school. The banker and janitor likely shopped at the same hardware store and supermarket. The parks department had programs for the daughter and sports league for the son. Come sunday they might even have been in the same pew row.
    Bottomline “commons” provide a stability and communal blending that supports community. I don’t think the tech sector would be too harmed living in that. As it is the giants tend to create a campus life work environment for the employees when they are on the clock to promote creativity and interaction. I don’t see where expanding it is beyond the pale.
    I will say this though the “commons” concept is huge in explaining how America has experienced its new era of divisiveness. Its one of those wonky areas I explore that is truly interesting and thought provoking.

  275. “I don’t see any of you Leftists having a leg to stand on complaining about the influence of money in politics.”

    Man, you got that right.

    Just look at how they behave over the few right wing mediums that exist. They cry about shutting down AM radio for shit’s sake. AM radio!!!

    The left is all about word control, speech control. Their gut instinct is to shut people up. Make things impossible to discuss. Look at college campuses… The most unfree places in America. Oh the irony!

    Nope, I don’t trust libs for a second. Getting money out of politics means getting money out of politics they don’t like.

  276. Seeing that guy pound the exhaust tells me all I need to know about Rutherford’s electric car purchase.

  277. I picture Rutherford opening his butt cheaks and taking the exhuast pipe of a 1997 Ford Asspire Hatchback.

  278. Tigre, being I loathe that Tamara Holder thing, I happened to see that the other night and laughed my ass off. Tamara Holder is not only insufferably Leftist, she’s stupid to boot. But then, I repeat myself.

    I don’t want to start a gender war, as my five favorite people are all female. But by gawd, I’ve had it with these man hatin’ dregs and their double standards and their hateful routine with the media and courts backing them up. And I know a whole bunch of men far crazier and meaner than me that have too. Obviously, this guy was stringing her on because he could. Still it was damn funny and good TV.

    .

  279. I’m still laughing to myself.

    “You don’t have to go home with me, go home with a hunk.”

    The self-righteous feminist is sooo easy to bait for sport. That was going like a Howard Stern bit. She was actually looking to be rescued from the blasphemy.

  280. “And please don’t worry about my pedantic pencil. I put it away long ago when it comes to the regulars here.”

    You have one?

    Pedantic you are not.

  281. Thanks for the musical tip, Rutherford.

    I agree, Alfie, Although there were race and class divisions, a sold base of “commons” helped unite us. One important cultural influence was also the relative uniformity of entertainment which enhanced the common community identification. What you described still exists here in our rural county..

    Although some people have mixed heritage including blacks and Indians, the main ethnic differences are between various northern European families, some with hard to spell last names and a few Hispanics.

    Everyone attends the same schools, reads the same local news papers and shops in the same stores..Thus, people know gossip and where the bodies are buried. Half of us are related, or at least are relatives of relatives.

    I don’t especially like living in a city, Compared to our having the closest neighbor two miles away from home, our daughter and son-in law’s subdivision has more people than our county seat.Our 23 month old grand daughter is already taking inventory. She knows who has pick ups and who doesn’t . She keeps track of who is mowing a lawn and when the garbage truck is due. She is not even two yet, and she wants to watch people come home from work. She knows it is time when the first car drives by.

    It is disquieting to know that though we don’t know each other, the neighbors are watching us as well.

    Omaha still has small town roots. I visit with people when our grand daughter and we walk to the park. We also find odd connections. I have now met three families who know and are friends with the television meteorologist I report the weather to. One was my wife’s high school student.

    We are still egalitarian though economic and social class separate us. Our grand daughter has made friends with the daughter of a television executive. Her nanny is a nice young woman and fun to talk to.. She opposes gentrification as it relates to Aspen, Colorado. She likes to ski there with her daughter’s parents but complains that rich people like them have recreated the area to fit their image of what a ski resort should be like. The locals are being crowded out as gentrification prices them out of the area they grew up in. Some who work in Aspen musts commute many miles to afford their jobs.

    She, like I wonders where the poor people who formerly lived in gentrified parts of Omaha now live.

    I see a dichotomy in our society. It may resemble the last vestiges of the dying Roman Empire where enclaves maintained the old society for generations. Urbanites mock the empty flyover country, and the rural people notice. A conflict between rural and urban culture is another potential form of divisiveness.

  282. In all seriousness, Thor, I’m glad you’ve decided to drop in from time to time. R, needs an ally. And even though you are a limp-wristed liberal propagandist, Tex is right: you’re good natured and have a sense of humor. Those are two things in short supply in the political blogosphere when it comes to you libbies.

    Let’s see if you can stick around when it gets nasty.

  283. DR, I was just up in Grand Rapids. You Michiganders definitely have access to the mother’s milk. Craft brew Disney World.

  284. I will say this though the “commons” concept is huge in explaining how America has experienced its new era of divisiveness.

    There is some truth to what you posted, Alfie. You want to know what has changed? At least the last 40 years? Around here?

    When I was a kid, I went to the best elementary school in Tulsa and it was a public school that catered to rich and lower middle class alike – some even lived in apartments which back then, most around here lived in homes. I was lucky enough to live in the district. Back then, parents felt confident that the public school provided a quality education and most parents, whether rich or poor, were of like mind or at least kept quiet if they were troubled by something.

    There was one black kid in the entire school I remember and that was a teacher’s kid. Nice kid. I’m sure it was awkward for him but he blended right in for six years and was there at my birthday parties when I was young. Stuck out like a sore thumb in the pictures. 😆 Did have a handful of Jewish kids, two of them to this day my friends. Had some inkling of Asian and obviously Indian (American Indian 🙂 ). None of this stupidity in diversity and integration crap was forced, principal ran the score, parents enforced the principal. Overtly religious even if it was public and we had a very nice Christmas pageant the nobody complained when they sang Holy songs. We said the Lord’s prayer in my 3rd and 6th grade homerooms. We said the pledge of allegiance every morning.

    In 1971, everything changed. Some useless do gooder from the school board at the behest of the federal gov’t said no more religion, fired the principal who had been teaching us Trig in 4th grade for some dimwit lackey and her “new” methods because he refused and preferred the old school method. He retired or was retired. I was never sure. The old horn-rimmed disciplinarian – and he scared the hell out of me. But what I know today until college, was taught by Mr. Kubiak.

    Our test scores to that point were off the charts – one of the very best in the nation. They almost immediately dropped during facilitation of the new rules. My sixth grade teacher walked in one morning and said, “Children. I have been instructed we can’t say the Lord’s prayer anymore. They told me I would be fired if we do. We are going to say it any way.” And we did. All year. Not one parent or kid complained. Mrs. Miller was still there the next year.

    Parents raised so much hell about the clear deterioration of the school performance, they removed that new principal, only to replace her with another dimwit, liberal lackey. I graduated by then but my sister remained. People begin to take their kids elsewhere and you started hearing for the first time “private education.”

    And that is what changed.

    Very, very obvious to what happened around here. Those that could afford it took their kids elsewhere (well heeled living with well heeled). The rest of us adjusted to get away from the overreach. My parents couldn’t afford to do anything and for all intents and purposed, my education until college was over with. Me and many others rebelled, becoming worthless ourselves. Until that time, I was considered “an achiever.”

    Like mind is what motivated the change.

    Of course we are divided anymore. This is what happens when freedom of association is breached, integration is forced, and when the success of the school is the racial make up of the classroom and not the test scores.

    IMO, that is what started the downfall of America. And now that is accelerating and it should be no surprise. Our children will never see the America we saw. I myself have changed dramatically. A country I once loved until at least the age of 40, I now don’t give a damn about much of it.

  285. Eleven students were in my high school graduating class. Seven of us earned advanced degrees and or became business owners and professionals. One man, a lawyer was a major player in a Pioneer seed law suit. Another was a lawyer for the Department of Agriculture.

    Our school system and culture did something right.

    I am now greatfull to the liberal anti- war bigots who persuaded me to farm. As I get older, and hear other stories, I realize how fortunate I am.

    Some Omaha people disliked what was happening, so they pooled their money and bought land in our county. They created an un- incorporated housing development which they maintain with good jobs in Omaha.

  286. People in our culture are planting seeds as we send the next generation away. They are scattered all over the world, and they take the attitudes and values they grew up with onto alien ground. They, in a small way reinforce some of the old ethics in new neighborhoods. My cousin’s boss in Florida and our son’s boss in California say they like Midwest employees because they are smart and they have a good work ethic.
    Without such people to re energize a crumbling culture, it would be worse than it is.

  287. The coach of the JV team will more likely kill Obama first, metaphorically speaking. History will bury Obama.

  288. Thor creativity isn’t the only risk. “Company towns” thrive on the existence of the company. When a company takes a dip and lays off, like IBM, the town suffers. If memory serves, Endicott NY exemplified this.

  289. I will say this though the “commons” concept is huge in explaining how America has experienced its new era of divisiveness. Its one of those wonky areas I explore that is truly interesting and thought provoking.

    Obama spoke on this commons idea this week and got roundly criticized for sending his daughters to private school. But he made the same divisiveness observation that you did, Alfie.

  290. I usually balk at the stupid lib generalities spewed around here but I must admit, and DAMN I find it counterintuitive, that conservatives nowadays defend free speech more than libs do.

    Shit, libs judge not just what you say but what you think. And if what you say doesn’t align with how they think you think, then the dog whistle accusations come out.

    Nope, I can’t defend libs in the free expression arena.

  291. Actually Tigre the only reason my car has an exhaust pipe is for when the range extender motor kicks in when the battery is near empty. I’m guessing folks who own the fully electric i3 (without the REX) don’t have an exhaust pipe.

  292. So Tigre, ARE women happier at home?

    I actually don’t think that McInnes should be summarily dismissed. In fact I’ll go so far as to say the feminist movement has done more to destroy the American family than any welfare program.

  293. @ Rutherford I think the next generation of “company towns” will have much more going for them than the classic manufacturing / single industry model of the past.

  294. @ Rutherford again. Yes the O did put that forth but it is hardly original or solely based @ 1600 Penn. His remarks at Georgetown was actually the kind of stuff he should’ve been bringing to the table from day one. Even if history is exceedingly kind to Obama at a minimum he has to go into the books as having failed to meet expectations

  295. @tex and it’s only going to get worse. One of the press bites that have people chatting up is the decrease in religiosity in America. From what I’ve seen of it the fans discount way too much how faithful our new immigrants are. Still we’re clearly entering a period where people a least are disinclined to identify religion.

  296. So Tex, from your lecture I gather you support “separate but equal”?

    I’ll have to ask my daughter if they say the pledge everyday. I honestly don’t know. I support it for one reason only, to encourage kids to care about something bigger than themselves.

  297. Not for nothing but I am loving that Chicago is looking like a$$holes over the potential sites public lands snag for the BHO POTUS Library. That’s a serious civics lesson there folks.

  298. The Giffords shooting was the moment I realized just how dangerous the left can be in terms of speech.

    A deranged semi leftist kills people and the entire left leaning media, including our humble host, goes on this Orwellian word which hunt. That was one of the strangest couple days I’ve seen in America.

    What was horrifying about it was that the shooting had nothing to do with the national debate while the word hunt was directed at one political side.

    I couldn’t believe it.

    Fucking weird maaaaaaaan.

  299. Hey back then it was throw whatever you could at Palin. I was fully bought in that the cross hairs contributed to a “climate of violence”. Not one of my proudest moments in retrospect. Right up there when I called what turned out to be a suicide, a lynching and blamed it on the right.

    You try writing upward of 100 posts per year and see how many you rethink later.

  300. My anecdotal observation shows that many women would stay home to raise the children if they could.

    The mob tells us that groups of people morph into an irrational organism capable of almost anything. When a group of people becomes too rash and emotional, remember the Tulip Bubble.

    You are evolving, Rutherford. Maybe you will become a conservative someday.

  301. You are evolving, Rutherford. Maybe you will become a conservative someday.

    Naaah James, Muffy says I can’t find my core or my center or my chakra or something. There’s no hope for me. 😆

  302. Just as a matter of perspective I would like to share that the two income household is kind of a bad joke. We went the “blended” income route so that the kids would have a maximum home/parent time kind of thing. We missed out on maximizing our income but we also saved a boatload on child care and our kids proved to be healthier than the day care center peers. I also think the time spent with the kids amounts to a mutually priceless kind of thing.

  303. True, Alfie, but I like YouTube better.

    We think we have saved our daughter and son- in law about $14,000 in day care and an additional several thousand dollars in food and supplies.

    Courtney Donahue is a Bloomberg reporter based in Washington DC. She also sends some stories to KFAB Omaha. Her baby was born a year ago October. She said new parents should pray the grand parents are nearby.

    Rutherford, I still have hope in you. When that day comes I will be “Walking on Sunshine.” I still like YouTube better.

  304. “So Tigre, ARE women happier at home?”

    Some are, some aren’t.

    I will say this: female lawyers I worked with that claimed to be steadfastly against it changed completely when they had kids. Only a fraction remain full time in the profession after 45. There’s a reason for it. And there’s a reason why the division among households has been what has been for centuries.

    I frankly don’t give a shit so long as they don’t expect special treatment from others for their choices. Pandering liberal pussies don’t help because they’re. . . well. . . pandering liberal pussies. And they pander because they want approval and acceptance like all pandering liberal pussies..

    I also hate the allegation of “sexism” when they’re inability to function effectively derives from personality traits.

    You think women like Fiorina has a problem in a male dominated setting? Hardly.

    You think most women have a hard time in a female dominated professional setting? Absolutely.

  305. “In fact I’ll go so far as to say the feminist movement has done more to destroy the American family than any welfare program.”

    I think nutless pandering liberal pussies share the credit.

  306. “I’m guessing folks who own the fully electric i3 (without the REX) don’t have an exhaust pipe.”

    I thought that’s what you had.

    ‘Cause you just like to spoon.

  307. You think most women have a hard time in a female dominated professional setting? Absolutely.

    Oh on this I totally agree both from personal observation and accounts from my wife.

  308. “Not one of my proudest moments in retrospect.”

    I should have left you out of it, as I’ve already skewered you enough on it and that wasn’t my point.

    I still can’t believe how fast the mob went after free speech and how irrational it was about it. Really woke me up.

    CNN and MSNBC (temporarily) came up with a list of banned words. Remember that shit? Thought police were going after a long list of metaphors and, for a few days, were serious about it.

    All because of an utterly uncorrelated and relatively obscure Palin website graphic?

    It blew my mind.

  309. Question for the board: am I wrong to be skeptical about zero injuries on our seal team that killed the ISIL “accountant”? Supposedly a serious ground battle to get this guy and not a scratch on any of our guys? I find that hard to believe.

  310. Remember all of the false claims of the rise of white hate groups after Obama’s nomination? The fabricated stories about the Tea Party events? The depths of the MSNBC-fueled Giffords libel was an inevitability. I have little doubt that history will judge these times harshly. And I pray that it does.

  311. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. If you really believe the nomination and election of the first black president didn’t stir hate groups then I’ve got some nice beach front property to sell you in Jersey.

  312. Hey Tigre my wife’s reading a novel that takes place in MA and part of the plot is arrests (maybe just murder) go to trial. Plea bargains not allowed. Is that fiction or fact?

    Alfie, I forgot you’re there now so feel free to chip in.

  313. You and millions like you seem obsessed with Citizens United and the like – Tex

    Cit U is just the latest round. I’ve been against money in politics as long as I can remember. But I’m not proposing unilateral disarmament by either side. In fact, I think it will take a constitutional amendment and even that is likely a pipe dream. But if I’m right about it being Bush vs. Clinton … that might just be a big enough canary to get the ball rolling.

  314. You might be right about that. I find it odd people want to live with the people they work with. – DR

    Doesn’t seem natural. 🙂 The other one I don’t get are the people that come by work on their day off, some even on vacation. I think those are some of the loneliest people in the world, the kind that die six months after they retire because their job was their identity.

  315. Alfie, thank you for your response. The Microsoft example I gave was actually built on an old gravel pit, a place where we used to ride dirt bikes and shoot clay pigeons. They reclaimed a sort of suburban wasteland. I look forward to more of your “wonk” ethic.

  316. The left is all about word control, speech control. Their gut instinct is to shut people up. -DR
    Shut the fuck up. 🙂

    Look at the current list of most banned and challenged books. The left does not have a corner on the censorship market. I think the left goes after radio because it is perceived as a right wing stronghold. I think the right goes after publications because they are perceived as leftist strongholds. Thank God for R’s bar, where we can all say whatever we want. (Unless the FBI is still watching this place.) 🙂

  317. Pedantic you are not. – ET

    Thank you, but Tex was correct in calling me out on that one. I try not to be like that anymore. It is one way in which you guys and gals have helped “sharpen” me. 🙂

  318. In all seriousness, Thor, I’m glad you’ve decided to drop in from time to time.Let’s see if you can stick around when it gets nasty. – ET

    Thank you. Even when I do disappear, don’t think of it as running. It’s just time restraints. I don’t have a smart phone, (I wouldn’t have a phone at all if my wife didn’t insist I did.) so any time I’m talking to you guys and gals it’s from my lap top, which means I’m not doing other things I probably should be doing, either on or off line. But, of course, sometimes I’m just not in the mood.

  319. Thor creativity isn’t the only risk. “Company towns” thrive on the existence of the company. – R

    I agree, but only in part. I don’t know if BIWC has been in Seattle long enough to remember this, but when Boeing was on its downward slide, someone hung a sign at the end of the tunnel leading out of the city that said, “last one leaving Seattle, please turn out the lights”. Somehow, out of that downfall grew behemoths like Costco, Amazon, Microsoft and Starbucks. And, ironically, a resurgence of Boeing itself. Cities can rebound and become even stronger. We have to learn from that model, figure out how to do that in places like Detroit and Baltimore.

  320. Wow, sorry to clog the thread, but those were mostly responses to direct or indirect queries. Now, for my own brilliant contributions.

    First … hey James, today is Norway’s 201st birthday. Can I get some Norse love? Perhaps a Sami Yurt band (I don’t believe they have garages) playing a cover of “Birthday” by the Beatles. That ought to split Tigre’s forehead wide open. 🙂

    Second … R, I think Jeb has been crashing the party here. Reading highlights from the Lincoln Dinner tonight, check out what he said

    -“Name a country where the relationship is better than the day that Barack Obama came into office?” Bush asked. “Iran. Cuba. I rest my case.” –

    That is nearly verbatim what Tex asked and I answered … two days ago! You better check the heater vents for insect drones. 🙂

  321. Look at the current list of most banned and challenged books. The left does not have a corner on the censorship market.

    Banned books? Where? Challenged? How? You mean the crap they are passing off as “history” books anymore that parents are aghast at? Or books of science on global warming? Not only have we pulled our kids out of public schools, but it is beginning to look like we’re going to have to start writing our own books too.

    And every time we do, your public schools suffer on account of it.

    It’s not the Right that is bum rushing stages and shouting down commencement speakers, pressuring schools to remove any semblance of Conservative thought. It’s the SPLC that recently labeled Ben Carson as ‘hate groups’, then had to backtrack. I could name hundreds of very recent attempts to silence voices from the right.

    Kirsten Powers, a hardcore lefty and feminist, disagrees with you, Thor. And so do I.

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Silencing-Left-Killing-Speech/dp/1621573702

  322. Mari Boine is a Norwegian Sami. She started a musical career after she found out “what had been done to my people.” “it was like a volcano that had to get out.” Instead of burning things as minorities have done in the United States, she put her anger to a productive career.

    I hope you enjoy it thor. As you noticed, both songs have joik.

  323. Certainly some racists were vocal after Obama was elected. One might have been Bill Clinton, but the majority of racist bigots were of the left. They tried to present the right as racists but had to manufacture incidents as they tried to do with the Tea Party.

    Twitchy provides an example of liberal anti white bigotry Some argued that the Marathon bomber would not have been sent to death if he was white. Of course he is white.

    I wonder if that attack on an ISIS leader had no casualities, too Rutherford, but it is possible. Those men our good.

  324. I also agree with Kirsten Powers and El Tigre. Citing bigotry where little exists is a means of control. LIberals as a group don’t like opposing view points because their arguments are too weak to withstand the onslaught.

  325. “Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. If you really believe the nomination and election of the first black president didn’t stir hate groups then I’ve got some nice beach front property to sell you in Jersey.”

    Oh no you don’t.

    Tell me what you’re referring to, then I will see what I can do to locate a few MSNBC clips and find some of the shit posted right here to put some perspective what I’m talking about and your dismissive bullshit.

    I’m talking cross burnings and lynching. Planes and neighborhoods bombed. The list if code words for “nigger” included “black community” right here. Armed rednecks surrounding inner city neighborhoods wearing hoods and masks.

    G-chin and his dumb fuck sidekick were legend with this.

    The Giffords shit you fervently participated in was part of a continuum.

    On that you bought into and made you and all deluded Obama cultists feel relevant.

    Now it’s “burn down the rural IN pizza shop” like Do the Right Thing styles but by people having no connection whatever to the community — well other than the fear of the spread of a pizza-free gay wedding receptions.

    I truly pray you guys feel like dumbasses when your kids ask you years from now what you were thinking.

    But I digress. You were saying?

    Oh yeah, something about how it really was a time of conservative hate groups that required the Freedom Marching pajamaboy brigade to protect us from the “scary code.”

    Gimme a break.

  326. James, when I was stationed in Iceland I had a Norwegian girlfriend I’m now pretty sure was Sami. In fact, I’ve been digging through my basement trying to find pictures. She had sharp Asian features and was from the North. I forget why she was in Iceland.

    She left me for one of the dudes in the Strongest Man Contest troupe.

    We got in a funny altercation with them in the bar. My buddy said to a guy who can pull a buss with a chain, “If you are scared say your scared”. We started laughing our asses off as the bouncers quickly ushered us out for our own safety.

    I saw those same guys on TV for about ten years.

    Read it and weap. James. I’ve had raw steamy Sami sex. No joik.

  327. “Some argued that the Marathon bomber would not have been sent to death if he was white. Of course he is white.” James

    That’s funny. The dude us literally Caucasian from the Caucuses.

  328. R – What in hell’s name is going on with the Republicans? Can’t they find anybody to run for president? Kasich looks pretty good; so does Walker. Ben Carson? Is that a joke? No question the Brain Surgeon is smart, but his pathetic general information base shows what twelve or so years cloistered in a hospital building will do to you.

    Speaking of Pres. candidates, I see Jeb Bush crawled on his hands and knees to Jerry Falwell’s stomping ground, as if that’s obligatory to secure the superstition vote. It must take some real cojones (Jeb speaks Spanish, so at least HE will know what that means) for a well-educated man to put on a traditional professor’s gown at a place that teaches “Creation Science” with a straight face. Here’s what Goldwater had to say about these people fifty years ago:

    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”

    And here’s what Maher has to say about Liberty “University.”

    As I always say, R, you’re a man ahead of his time. And his audience.

  329. An interesting field of development is the PPP. In the USA these are not utilized nearly as much as they should and there is partisan reasons on both sides for that. They should be encouraged.
    I readily concede some PPP’s have been real cock ups,the Chicago parking meter thing is often held up as a great example.
    In Boston New Balance has kept their HQ and to their credit have elided to expand it. The development will include their building as well as a hotel and retail stuff. The biggie is NB is building a T stop.

  330. As I always say, R, you’re a man ahead of his time. And his audience.

    😆 😆 What more needs to be said? Rutherford was way ahead in his predictions of the Republicans going the way of the Whigs and Barack Obama’s gifts.

    But not nearly as prescient when you announced Wendy “Abortion Barbie” Davis would be Texas’ next governor. But even Rutherford admits when he’s so out of touch to be parody.

  331. Oooooh…another passive aggressive drive by by Phaker.

    He wants to talk about Christians again and how they are big stupid heads!

    Hey Phaker, that son of yours move out of the basement yet? Or is the bitcoin mining enough to pay for the cat you “allowed” the grown man to have.

    __ .__ .__ __ .. ____ __ __ _____ _____/ | | | || | __ ____ _____ < | |/ _ | | \ __ \ / ___\ __\ | | | | |/ // __ \ _ \ _ ( ) | / / __ \ ___| | | || | <\ / / __ _ / ____|_/|____/ (____ /___ >| |____/||_ \ > (____ / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ __ ____ __ __ _____/ |_ _/ ___| | \/ \ \ \ _| | / | \ | ___ >____/|___| /__| \/ \/

  332. She left me for one of the dudes in the Strongest Man Contest troupe.

    😆 Well, perhaps it is because you bathed more than once every three or four days. 😈

  333. Ah, Parker does it to get a reaction. Pretty harmless, really, being his opinions have predictably demonstrated no credibility. If Parker were aware of who it is he sides with in his quest to hate Christ, he might find it hard to swallow who he’s allied with. I’ve met many of these “enlightened” militants – some of the angriest, most manic, most desperate people on earth, screaming out for help.

    Or navel gazing narcissists with a penchant for being Barack Obama and Che apologists – Yes We Can! Bill Maher as expert about anything? 🙂 Maybe the gift of being offensive.

  334. “Well, perhaps it is because you bathed more than once every three or four days.”

    You give me too much credit….

  335. You give me too much credit….

    😈 That’s right. I forgot what period of commune life we were talking here. 😈

    You must either be married to a dynamite woman that straightened your big ass up, or had some Road to Damascus conversion.

  336. More ideas so good they must me made mandatory, Comrade R?

    There are so many unworkable and wrongheaded ideas wrapped up in your schooling idea that it really would be a post all by itself to address them all, but I will start with 2.

    How do you make it a nationwide requirement? Seriously? Are you going to drop the mask and the incrementalism of the strings tied to money and just out and out FEDERALIZE the public schools? Does this mean localities will no longer have any responsibility for them? Do you think that such a scheme increases or decreases accountability for the people actually teaching the kiddies?
    How do you enforce liability for a 16,17, 18 yr old’s attendance with parents? I would be willing to bet that at least some of the parents there in Baltimore are single parents. Now you want them to take a day off work, to go to court and what? Be fined? Set a further demand on their time with community service? And how are you paying for an even further demand on the already strained court system? Unicorn poop? Or just even more wealth redistribution?

    What you still haven’t understood is that no amount of law will improve the lot of a society that increasingly refuses to govern itself. You can pass every law imaginable. You can enforce those laws with lead-pipe cruelty, and if people will not govern themselves, it WILL NOT MATTER. And you can tax their eyeballs out to pay for that control regime, but you will only encourage evasion of one form or another.

  337. @ Rutherford the skill & luck combination that gels with a successful SF op is what it is. It is not unprecedented that a team op goes so well. The SEAL and Delta Force Ops that struck at Al Shabab went off without casualties.
    Bottom line the focus these operations have are so narrow and precise that I think that what helps them succeed.

  338. @ BIC an excellent comment but I just have to say that the majority of Americans are in the “fail to govern themselves” camp. That is very sad indeed.

  339. Who’s Parker?

    https://disqus.com/by/pfesser/

    “Jeb Bush touts faith at Christian college

    pfesser • 7 days ago

    Yes, I know about this “University;” it’s about 40 miles from where I live. It’s basically a training base for christian jihadists, making untold profits by catering to the ignorant products of public schools and feckless “christian” high schools. And where do those profits come from? Tax-free money from the government, of course – which is to say, all of us.

    Credentials without information. If you ever get a few minutes, talk to one Falwell University’s biology “graduates” about the fundamental basis of life – evolution. It’s an eye-opener. All you’ll get for your trouble is a thousand-yard stare.

    So Bush-the-Lesser decided that he, too, needed some knee-time before the ghost of Jerry Falwell, huh? And I really wanted to vote Republican this election ….”

    The lamest part? The Maher video and the Goldwater quote he laid down here – check the thread….

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/mtmpph/jeb_bush_touts_faith_at_christian_college/#comment-2016484729

    Go ahead, “Parker,” you were saying?…

  340. Hillary Clinton wiped e-mail server clean, deleted all e-mails: US Republican

    My god – talk about blatant disregard for the law. If this is not a felony and a jail offense, then what is? ~ pfesser 2 months ago

    Guess he’s going to vote for the felon over the ReBiblican and Christian jihadi type then? :

    Muffy, you’re too much. 😆

  341. Is anybody else amazed that there are still people arguing things have never been better in America?

    Last night, an old work acquaintance of mine was found dead from a prescription drug overdose. Pretty normal, fairly straight-laced bloke, or so I thought. In Oklahoma, more people are dying from hydrocodone than from meth and the synthetics combined.

    We have an epidemic of drug & alcohol abuse in this country that is only growing worse. Obviously, people are needing to escape for whatever reason, a clear indication of mental stress and fatigue.

    If that isn’t an indicator of a society in decay, I don’t know what is.

  342. Rabbit, do you write a diary? The right person could make a movie of your life. I’d drive fifty miles to see that movie.

    Your friend may well have been a Sami. Its hard to know. They have scattered across the world. Many live in Alaska. The government brought them there to teach Eskimos how to herd reindeer. The Yukon gold rush began and many asked themselves “why am I herding reindeer when I can get rich in the gold fields?”

    An estimated 30,000 live in the United States.

    Joni Mitchel claims to be part Norwegian Sami. Rene Zelweiger has ties to the Finish Sami.

    Iceland has been considered to be genetically homogenous, but a national genetic study showed a significant percentage of them to have an Irish heritage, and a few have Native American genes.

    I would rather the fundamentalist Christians captured control of the Republican party than socialists took over the Democrats. The former is highly unlikely. The latter is already in progress.

  343. Just watched Scott Walker on Face the Nation. Verdict: not terribly bright.

    I’m beginning to think when you see “decisive” to describe a candidate, it really means too dumb to carefully weigh alternatives.

  344. The other one I don’t get are the people that come by work on their day off, some even on vacation.

    I’m not one of those people BUT I think you oversimplify. There are folks who simply love their job. It’s not a job to them. I often wish I were one of those people.

  345. I felt like a fraud on the farm. In spite of sometimes 15 hour or more days during busy times, it didn’t feel any more like work than mowing the lawn. I really liked my job.

    Yes soon after the USSR fell could work.

  346. That is nearly verbatim what Tex asked and I answered … two days ago! You better check the heater vents for insect drones. 🙂

    Ahhh Thor you don’t understand. Whenever anyone in the media says something identical to what’s stated here, the person here is just a mindless parrot.

    Just ask Tigre. Because my ideas and opinions more often than not align with MSNBC, I’m just an MSNBC parrot.

    Rutherford wants a cracker.
    Rutherford wants a cracker.

    Mmm that doesn’t sound quite right does it?

  347. Nonsense from Thor doesn’t sound any better coming out of his mouth than it does yours, Rutherford.

    I guess you got that going for you. 😉 Shared puppets on a string. Maybe you can duel.

  348. Marathon bomber would not have been sent to death if he was white. Of course he is white.

    Anyone who says that is a fool. Two words: Timothy McVeigh

  349. LIberals as a group don’t like opposing view points because their arguments are too weak to withstand the onslaught.

    No it’s beyond that. They believe their views are morally superior and that the opponent IS offensive and should be silenced. It’s an arrogant sense of the moral high ground.

  350. I don’t tell anybody what my job is unless I have to. Not remotely part of my identity.

    I like my job. And I like it even more when I’m home with my family.

  351. Rutherford, you have consistently run off the proverbial cliff because of MSNBC.

    It’s not that you share the same ideology, its that you are outraged only when they are outraged.

    What ever scam they got going, you fall hook line and sinker. We desperately scream that you are being played.

    Yet time and time again you fall for bull shit facts and look like a fool.

    This place is the living proof. Just walk back in time, find the latest MSNBC outrage based on kaa-kaa facts…and find Rutherford walking it back 3 or 4 days later with egg all over his face.

    Its why I come here, honestly. The train wreck.

  352. “I felt like a fraud on the farm. In spite of sometimes 15 hour or more days during busy times, it didn’t feel any more like work than mowing the lawn. I really liked my job.”

    That is either the most free a man can live or the most tied down a man can be. Whatever it is, I can’t imagine how awesome it must feel.

    Farmers are my Sami.

    I have this romantic love affair from afar of living the life of a farmer.

    I love the wide open and flat land. The grid of rotating crops. The fertile earth.

    I feel like it makes God happy because we are using the Earth the way he intended.

    Fucking cornucopia forged out blood, sweat and tears.

  353. Alfie, reading through most of the legalese you posted I gather plea bargains are allowed in MA and the novel my wife is reading is indeed fiction.

    I’ll have to find out more about the plot of the book to see why the author would play so loose with reality.

  354. “Just ask Tigre. Because my ideas and opinions more often than not align with MSNBC, I’m just an MSNBC parrot.”

    Hahahhahahah.

    Sure thing, Blondie.

  355. Rabbit WTF is right. I thought you were drawing something but on my cell phone it looks like an illuminati secret message.

    Or shit, maybe it’s a secret message to the FBI? You an informant?

  356. BiC this is one of those rare posts where I’m not being an advocate. I was truly floating a couple of ideas and I have zero argument with your objections.

    Honestly I’m just pulling at straws for a solution. I want this country to DO something and not just bicker. We are bickering while Rome burns, literally.

  357. Muffy while I do admire your thoroughness, it’s also a bit creepy. Unless you follow Disqus on a daily basis, you had to research that Pfesser entry. Borders on obsessive.

    Then again perhaps you are justifiably motivated by the way PF insulted you.

  358. Tex you’re falling into the trap of “good ole days” nostalgia. 30 years ago IBM was the bastion of functional alcoholics. I didn’t recognize some of my colleagues outside the office.

    This country has had a serious booze problem for ages. The only reason I oppose prohibition is it doesn’t work. That goes for the “war on drugs” as well.

  359. Joni Mitchel claims to be part Norwegian Sami. Rene Zelweiger has ties to the Finish Sami.

    And let’s not forget Sami Davis Jr. The very rare Jewish Sami.

  360. “Muffy while I do admire your thoroughness, it’s also a bit creepy. Unless you follow Disqus on a daily basis, you had to research that Pfesser entry. Borders on obsessive.

    Then again perhaps you are justifiably motivated by the way PF insulted you.”

    You like the way that fossilized Jurassic “Parker” blows you, don’t you Rutherford? You’re “man ahead of your time, oh you are.” Falwell’s only been dead almost 10 years and Goldwater twice that but you – oh you’re onto those sneaky Christians aren’t you? How’s that takeover going, Stooges?

    What you call “research” took all of about 10 seconds, genius. It probably does impress morons who consider google “research.”

    “That” pfesser doesn’t claim to be a woman, dummy. But tell us more about none-too-bright Walker, Mr. Accomplishment.

  361. That” pfesser doesn’t claim to be a woman, dummy.

    Before you go calling folks dummy, the avatar associated with the name looks a whole lot like a woman to me. Granted the comments are from our Virginian pilot Pfesser but I was simply commenting on the avatar.

    So, Miss ten seconds, you simply googled Pfesser to find the comment? Tell me how you did it in 10 seconds.

    Again, if it weren’t for the fact you have a legit bone to pick with him, I’d call it creepy.

  362. So Tex, as Pfarker posted a few days ago, the Pew poll shows an increase in folks claiming no religious affiliation, driven primarily by young people.

    Putting aside if this is a good or bad thing, what do you think is causing the shift? And do you think the “church” (pick your denomination) can do anything about it?

    Is the Pope’s more inclusive approach the answer?

  363. “Before you go calling folks dummy, the avatar associated with the name looks a whole lot like a woman to me. Granted the comments are from our Virginian pilot Pfesser but I was simply commenting on the avatar.”

    No you weren’t. You said, “Oh to make matters more bizarre, that Pfesser claims to be a woman.” There’ no way I can know based on your own words – that “Pfesser claims” – you aren’t that stupid.

    Especially since he does claim to be an Australian entrepreneur over here and you seem to believe that. Or am I wrong? You’re not a dunce about that?

    “Quoting his views make just as much sense as quoting dead Ronald Reagan.”

    How’s that takeover going, Stooge?

    “Tell me how you did it in 10 seconds.”

    Are you asking me for search terms?

    “Furthermore, dummy, I can easily find Falwell disciples alive today spouting his same old nonsense.”

    First, what is a Falwell disciple?

    Second, will what you “easily find” be anything near the % to the whole of Christianity or even close to the nature of torture, rape, crucifixion, and beheading innocent people that you would easily find with Islam?

    You know, that other religion that you and pfesser pretend to dislike as much as you despise Christianity because you believe that somehow makes you less of a vile bigot than Geller.

    Because Falwell accusing abortionists and gays among others for the chickens coming home to roost – (remind you of anyone?) – on a religious teevee program is the one thing you keep dragging out every time you feel the need to bash Christians or Christians.

    OK then, find it if it can be so easily done.

    Right after you find all the evidence of hate groups stirred up by the 2008 election.

  364. Rutherford, there are times you vacillate from simple tool to downright stupid.

    What are the chances that there’s a Pfesser that lives exactly the same distance from Liberty University, hates the memory of Falwell with a passion, uses the words Rebiblicans, drones about fundies, makes reference to Alaskan Dominionists, goes by the name of Pfesser, says she would love to vote Republican this time and can’t, and is female? It’s a fucking miracle! No wonder you’re hoodwinked by dumbasses like Maddow, Obama, and Maher.

    Tex you’re falling into the trap of “good ole days” nostalgia. 30 years ago IBM was the bastion of functional alcoholics. I didn’t recognize some of my colleagues outside the office.

    Yeah. I remember the time a coworker of mine in the 80s, flying high on flakka while naked flung himself through a police windshield and attempted to cannibalize the passengers with a machete. 🙄

    http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

    Why don’t you call Chris Hayes and see if you can get confirmation?

  365. “Hey Muffy, Tex’s female doppelgänger, why don’t you take a swing at that last question too.”

    Ask your daughter.

  366. There is an undeniable epidemic in this country involving opiates.

    Considering how bad it is, it’s suspiciously not a major news story.

    Perhaps the fact that Medicaid is unleashing millions of pills on the streets is uncomfortable to some?

    The hydrocodone heads are switching to heroin en masse as I type this. No, they don’t shoot it anymore. The snort it. But its worse then the 70s.

    Massive amount of the masses on opiates.

  367. Putting aside if this is a good or bad thing, what do you think is causing the shift? And do you think the “church” (pick your denomination) can do anything about it?

    I wrote a tome on your question the other day on the previous thread. And I told you and Parker celebrate the victory, because I actually believer the results are far worse for “christianity” with a small ‘c’ than those recently published. A 70% Christian nation would not consider Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama for dog catcher much less President, to put it in terms you would understand. Do you really think that bothers me? Not in the least. It was completely predictable. As Christianity goes, so goes America.

    I estimate half the people calling themselves Christian today in America are no more Christian than you are, Rutherford. And I’ll make a prediction that is no prediction at all – that event is going to accelerate from here on out. Get ready for the ride, Rutherford. For a short time, you will delight with glee like a child on a roller coaster.

    Let me ask you a question. Why would God Almighty (Jesus) need a majority to carry out His plan? That has never been God’s method. Not once. A fledgling Christianity of perhaps thousands begin a movement that took Rome from persecutor to the Home of Christianity without slinging an arrow. Took the greatest power of it’s time in Egypt and laid waste. Persia, check. Medes. Check. Greece. Check. All the superpowers of their day brought low. What makes you think America isn’t going to follow? God took His own people and dispersed them for 1,900 years for disobedience just as America is doing now. The end is already written. All that remains is sequence of events. I have known this for quite some time. Didn’t know when – just that it was imminent. I have been stunned by the speed of the development, though.

    I know, I know. We’re all nuts. All of us. Imbeciles of The Book and not steeped in “reason” like you and the reasonable crowd. 😈 There can be nothing more. There are no moral absolutes. There is nothing beyond what you can understand. And Jesus was a vegan with delusions of grandeur. And science will figure it all out eventually (cough cough).

    I’ll say it once again. History is not a line. It’s a circle. In those last days, men wishing for their ears to be tickled….many will fall away from the faith, etcetera

    Is the Pope’s more inclusive approach the answer?

    Where I had a great love for John Paul and grew to respect Benedict, I believe Francis is of questionable character and the reason you like him. 🙂 Tells you what your lying ears want to hear. The last thing Christianity needs is to be inclusive. That is what is has been doing. Francis is exactly the wrong man at exactly the wrong time, a tool.

    But if you knew anything of Christian epistemology, you would see this is all going to plan. Soon Rutherford, I don’t believe you are going to have to concern yourself with Christianity. You will have to concern yourself in other ways, though. Very concerned.

  368. There is an undeniable epidemic in this country involving opiates.

    On this, I fully confess being “sheltered”. But we have an addictive society and I don’t think that measure of our society’s character has changed much. Maybe the source of the “high” has changed.

  369. I just hate that Rutherford never wants to talk about religion. It’s like pulling teeth to get him to talk about religion. We could learn so much from him on the subject of religion if only he would talk about religion once in a while. Is that too much to ask? That Rutherford talk about religion once in a while?

  370. Ok Tex I honestly had trouble discerning meaning from your comment. I’ll summarize and you tell me if I understand you.

    It doesn’t matter how many devotees there are. Christianity has always been a minority religion. The church need do nothing in response to this demographic shift because God is going to set things straight in the end.

    Are you saying that? Are you also saying that you don’t view conversion and salvation of non-believers to be a task the church need concern itself with?

  371. LOL Muffy my question to Tex was prompted by seeing Pfarker’s stats on Meet the Press. It occurred to me that we spend a lot of time here discussing religious bigotry but little time discussing what if anything organized religion can do to make itself more relevant.

  372. R, your Falwell routine is a giant “fail.”

    Hey, maybe you got some Tammy Faye?

    It figures you equate televangelists with Christianity generally.

  373. Oh, I get it. You mean the immigrants that are flooding the country are largely Catholic?

    What does “relevant” me to you in a religious context (a/k/a non-MSNBC context)?

  374. You mean like Protestantism?

    Sorry I’m slow. You’re saying Protestantism is more inclusive than Catholicism? I’m not refuting you. Trying to find what you’re saying behind the sarcasm.

  375. “R, the Pope only represents the Catholic Church, a minority of Christians, you know that right?”

    Isn’t Catholicism the majority of Christians?

  376. “You’re saying Protestantism is more inclusive than Catholicism?”

    Yes. What do you mean by “more inclusive?”

  377. Tigre, relevant means how does the religion realistically fit into the normal lives of adherents. If folks feel they can do without, then perhaps they don’t see how religion relates to their daily lives?

  378. “Tigre, relevant means how does the religion realistically fit into the normal lives of adherents. If folks feel they can do without, then perhaps they don’t see how religion relates to their daily lives?”

    Say what? Adherents by definition mean it fits into their normal lives.

  379. Just a thought Muffy. Why don’t you venture a guess at why evangelical Christians aren’t declining at the same rate as other groups? Or are you just here to throw f-bombs?

  380. “Folks opting in are opting into the extremes.”

    I’m bowing out. This is getting stupid, even for Blondie.

  381. Stop playing word games with me Tigre. You know damn well what I’m trying to say.

    As for “inclusive” I mean a less judgmental approach that welcomes and persuades fence sitters.

  382. Rabbit, I couldn’t have described farming better than you did. I had other options, but I chose to return to the land. I was on track to earn a PHD, but after a job counselor told me to hide my veteran status if I wanted a good job, I promised myself that insofar as it was possible I would never let another human determine my destiny. I am one of the freest men I know.

    I learned from substitute teaching and that school’s asking me to come back that I was a pretty good teacher. I research so many subjects that people occasionally tell me “you should have been a teacher.”

    Farming was never part of my identity. It was something I did. My wife had a little more trouble retiring from teaching.

    I gave our children their first driving lessons on our field so they couldn’t do any damage. I hope I am alive and fit enough to teach our grand daughter the rudiments of driving in the same place.

    We live in the flat Missouri River valley. I can see some of the Loess Hills on the horizon twenty miles away. A grain elevator nine miles north of us is visible. The flat open land gives us a lot of wind and it is easy to see approaching storms. I like that because weather is one of my favorite subjects, and I am an observer for the weather service and also a storm spotter.

    Rutherford, I never knew. I was a fan and knew Sami Davis was a member of the Rat Pack. That spelling escaped me until you mentioned it. I see the light. Sami’s name was code for his ancestry.

    An arrogant sense of moral superiority sounds more accurate. I knew you weren’t one of them.

  383. I’m not playing word games. You don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s clear to everyone.

    Quit bluffing. Your ignorance is apparent.

  384. the Pew poll shows an increase in folks claiming no religious affiliation, driven primarily by young people.

    The word Pew – says it all. I rarely believe polls. I see a trend in young people finding Truth, aka God. Sometimes it means leaving their parents’ religion. True, many more are lost to idols. That is what our culture has been bathed in since birth. Americanism is a mind meld. Even many of those who will find Him are shackled with generations of garbage that takes much time and prayer to break off.

    Young people have lost faith in the world they were sold along with the salesmen that sold them. There are many more sources for information today than there were a generation ago.

  385. The United States and Canada have never been completely divorced from Europe. In some ways as communication improves, we are almost the same country. If the poll is correct, it reflects a trend which has evolved in Europe for a long time.

    Some parts of Europe were forced to abandon their pagan religions and they resented the Middle Eastern religion which was imposed on them. In other cases, religion is becoming less relevant to their lives. The future of Christianity may lie in Africa and parts of Asia. Religious revivals are cyclical. Twenty years from now the story may be different.

  386. You don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s clear to everyone.

    You’re so eager for a fight you can’t tell the difference between thinking aloud and making an assertion.

    The stats show evangelicals aren’t declining so drastically (and in raw numbers, are gaining). I’m curious why. I offered a possible explanation. You and Muffy have offered nothing but obnoxious heckling.

  387. Just because one claims no religious affiliation doesn’t mean someone is not religious.

    The Estonian singer Kerli may represent the evolution of spiritual beliefs in Europe and America. Her spiritual connection is with fairies and angels. She is not an agnostic.

  388. I think a religious instinct requires rigorous spiritual challenge and commitment. I also think a sense of separation from the world is also important. Established moral verities such as no gay marriage and no cheating on one’s spouse are important though parishiners constantly break the rules. They exist for guidance to explain our existence and relationship with our selves and the universe.

    Joining most of our main line denominations is not far from joining a country club or historical society. I think a flacid spiritual and moral code encourages more people to wonder why they should bother.

  389. You want me dead, don’t you, Rutherford. I knew my insufferable videos would take you across the line.

    This is just my opinion and not necessarily how I feel. Religious doctrine evolved to explain capricious nature when people were more attuned and dependent on the vageries of storms, earth quakes, wars and other disasters. People tried to control events through religion and occasional sacrifices dictated by religious leaders. Through most of our history, we have lived near the edge of extinction. Genetic tests show how close some ethnic populations came.

    Sometimes, belonging to a religious organization is an act of rebellion. More people commit to a religion under such circumstances.

    Now, most of us are well-fed and housed. We have electronic toys, and we are detached from the agricultural lives which sustained us. God is no longer relevant. When a plane crashes or a storm wipes out towns God’s vengence or grace seems less relevant than random luck. People no longer fear God as they once did, so why not golf instead of attending church on Sunday or whatever day the Sabbath is chosen.

    That doesn’t mean God isn’t getting mad and considering sending a huge solar flare in our direction.

  390. Rutherford,

    Should Jeb Bush have refused the invitation to speak at the commencement ceremony at Liberty University? (Assuming he didn’t blow off a prior commitment to speak to the graduates at Howard.)

    If evangelicals stayed home for Mitt, what wrong is there is reaching out to that community? (Please do not start your response with “If” or “As long as.” (I understand that bribes, coercion, or propaganda are never used to sway votes.)

    Can you provide evidence of a radical Christian counterpart to radical Islam, similar in scope and comparable in the nature of the atrocities committed against people of any other religion, against their own religion, or against people of no religion at all?

    Can you provide evidence of any faith or religion other than Islam to which there is this radical element to the same degree as there is with Islam?

    Also, I was just wondering…

    What is a Falwell disciple?
    How is that Christian takeover going?
    Are Parker and Pfesser the same person?
    Can you provide evidence of hate groups stirred up by the 2008 election?

    Please write back soon.
    Muffy

  391. “The stats show evangelicals aren’t declining so drastically (and in raw numbers, are gaining). I’m curious why. I offered a possible explanation. You and Muffy have offered nothing but obnoxious heckling.”

    OK but do you know what an evangelical Christian is? Your “possible explanation” indicates that you regard them to be “extreme.” Encountering such narrow-mindedness felt like I had just been hit in the head with a ballpeen hammer.

    Extreme what?

    To provide as much of an answer as I’m willing to go with you at the minute, I’d offer that when Christ is the center – people are not falling away. When the religion or church or the denomination or the preacher or the fellowship or the music or any number of other ties are the center of one’s faith – it’s easier to fall away.

    Evangelicals are centered on the Bible as spiritual truth, believe that salvation is a conscious choice, that Christ atoned for our sins, and that the good news is to be shared. Denominations on down to individual churches vary in how much of any and all of that is the focus of their fellowship. That’s not to say some evangelical Christians aren’t shysters and some churches aren’t cult-like as opposed to Christ-like.

  392. For real though R…you don’t really know why you are so bothered by the religious right.

    You’re an uncool kid, desperately wanting to sit at lunch with the quarterback, picking on the nerds with the hope of getting his approval.

    With all the fucked up people in this country, motorcycle gangsters, junkies, molesters, Harry Reid, liars, thieves…. Ned Flanders is what you talk about more then anybody. Ned Flanders?

    What harm do these people cause?

    I work with them. They are good families who wear ugly sweaters. Respectful kids.
    Well kept lawns. They give to charity and believe in hard work. They respect their parents.

    So…they differ with you on gay marriage. And believe babies in the womb shouldn’t be killed.

    Even you have to admit they have pretty good case for both.

    So why the glee when pfessor slams them for the thousandth time.

    I don’t get it.

  393. There are evangelical Catholics.

    People who spread the word.

    I’ve always felt honored they cared about me enough to worry if I’m saved or not. And they really do worry.

    Hell…I loved the attention.

  394. I don’t get it either. Religion civilizes us and gives us a code of behavior. Devout Christians are just as narrow minded and perfidious as the rest of us, but they have standards and spiritual authorities to encourage them to do better. They tend not to riot or murder people for religious doctrine, at least in the United States.
    I think they catch hostility because they represent a religion different from the secular church of socialism and atheism.

  395. Arguing religion is non- productive beyond a certain point. We know as little about the truth of our religious and non beliefs as we know about the chances of life on Mars now or in the past. We are arguing on faith.

    God or you will get me for this, but here it is anyway. One of Helene Fischer’s favorite songs.

  396. Stupid grammar. They (Christians) catch hostility because they (the world) hated Christ first, James.

  397. “For real though R…you don’t really know why you are so bothered by the religious right.

    I don’t get it.”

    That was well-put Rabbit.

  398. Yes, they hated Christ first because He was a threat to the old religions. “They” still hate Christ for the same reasons. Christianity offers what the others cannot provide, salvation and forgiveness through the grace of God.

  399. Muffy, DR, and James. . . amen.

    Rutherford can’t separate faith from political ideology. The stat is read by him like an election polling result for the GOP. “What are you guys going to do to win more over? Can’t you see that the poll shows your religion s shedding members because it’s flawed. People would like you more if you abandoned doctrine and got with the progressive agenda. . . the Crusades and Jerry Falwell. . . blah, blah, blah.”

    Rutherford, calling Obama and progressivism your “religion” is barely metaphor and certainly not hyperbole.

    DR’s right. You being threatened by American Christians is irrational bigotry fueled by your political thought leaders that really ARE threatened by their political adversaries. Focus on shutting them up. 🙄

  400. Today’s sermon was on learning contentedness, and what Paul had to say about it. We started in 1 Timothy 6.

    I got distracted because I was thinking about how people who have basic reading comprehension, but no sense of epistomolgical understanding (like, I dunno, noted anti-bullying bully Dan Savage) could read passages like that and fail to understand that by choosing to spread the gospel FIRST, early Christians like Paul were actually changing the attitudes that accepted slavery…but then if people who repeated that Savage’s brand of nonsense actually understood what Paul meant when he called himself a bondservant of Christ, the nature of Christ’s relationship to Christians would probably cause their three functioning brain cells to burn out.

    I only wish more people who fancied themselves to be Christians actually fully understood it.

    The biggest challenge I ever got philosophically was when I heard “Do you believe that what you believe is really real? And if so, what does it demand of you?”

  401. Not for nothing but sucking up to the hacks at Liberty is no more in the interest of the American People as the semi annual gobble fest at AIPAC. I would stipulate that the folks at and standing in support of Liberty or Regent are actually fatally flawed in their faith.

  402. It is rather amusing to return from an evening of praise and worship to find you guys discussing religious faith. 🙂

    Humans are sick and tired of the hard work it actually takes to be faithful.

    I think humans in the west have become a bunch of lazy naval gazers period. The ‘hard work it actually takes to be faithful’ is merely a choice and one that gets easier the more you make that choice. Soon you find you can’t live any other way but by faith. That’s when all the temporal stuff fades to the unimportant distraction it is.

  403. It doesn’t matter how many devotees there are. Christianity has always been a minority religion. The church need do nothing in response to this demographic shift because God is going to set things straight in the end.

    As to the minority? No, I am simply saying God doesn’t need a one of us by definition. God needs nothing. His will, his ultimate destiny will be done with or without our help. What I am really saying about churches is they need to revert back to the 1st Century Church as guide, stand strong immune to the criticism of their adversaries, and take a stand in the Word of God even if that cost us dearly. You can’t do that without knowing the word of God. Our responsibility as Christians is not to covert but lay witness. The conversion of the heart is beyond mortal man. That is reserved entirely for and by God. Spreading the word is the responsibility of a Christian. But the change of heart is by God’s work alone.

    This demographic shift? To the best of my knowledge there is no demographic that now hasn’t been introduced to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There may be individual people, but I can’t imagine there are entire demographics. By trying to be “inclusive” to the demands of our detractors worried about numbers, we Christians have watered down the source to be virtually meaningless. Worse, we have been cowardly. As to too many calling themselves Christian who are clearly not? They like the love of Jesus Christ and the cooing baby. But apparently, they fail not only to recognize His authority but who Jesus really was.

    The Bible makes clear that each one of us, and you and Pfesser are not excluded, that we are provided with a need for a personal relationship with God. It’s that burning question that all men and women sooner or later ponder. Who am I and why am I here? We both have pondered as much or you wouldn’t be asking these questions. Yet you and I have reached very different conclusions. Your reasons sound like nonsense to me; my reasons sound like make believe to you. You say “I see no evidence of God.” I say, “You can’t get away from seeing the works of God. You live in His world.” And that simple fact separates every difference we have I believe.

    Make an example, Rutherford. Our experts are busy trying to figure out what has made many young men and some women want to join ISIS. These experts are befuddled. What could possibly be appealing to live in a hellhole when so many of these lost souls live in creature comforts? I don’t believe you are capable of answering that question. But I can. In fact, the reason for membership is so obvious a blind man can see the reasons why if only has just an inkling of faith.

    These dupes are looking for meaning, looking to belong. The world has left them dry and material possessions are not enough. The feel alone and abandoned. When someone is that lost, they become very vulnerable to suggestion. The suggestion of not just belonging, but hero status and eternal life is most appealing. These zealots, demonic zealots, have been given an opportunity to not just belong, but to fight for a cause. To stand for something more than themselves. This is what makes these fanatics so dangerous. They believe they are righteous in what they are doing. They believe they are the remnant of the faithful.

    Now you don’t have to be a Christian to understand we all have the ability to discern – in The Bible it talks about “you shall know them by their fruits.” My God tells us to choose life. Their God tells them to choose death and martyr themselves for Allah.

    I don’t know whether we are so far down the rabbit hole that there is even a conversion of the heart possible for these fanatics.

    But I do know this. Your attempts are rationalizing with them without something other than fine living will prove futile.

  404. Tex I agree they turn to ISIL primarily to fill empty lives. But why isn’t their local church enough? Why the conversion to Islam and then the radicalization? Seems to me the Christian Faith is somehow failing to show them the light. (For that matter, the Muslim faith, Dearborn version, is failing to keep them from radicalization.)

  405. Thank you James. Those vids were very cool. I think the first one might be going on my I-Tunes. One of my playlists is all instrumentals. I use it (with headphones) to drown out background noise when I’m reading or working in a public venue. There are vocals on your track, but since I don’t know what the hell they’re saying, it’ll do just fine. 🙂 Thanks again.

    On farms and farmers – Where I grew up, there weren’t a lot of crops. Mostly hay and hops. The bigger farms were dairies. You could always tell the city kids from the country kids at keggers. If a breeze happened to blow the scent of cowpies past the bonfire, the city kids would mostly freak out, the country boys would mostly smile.

    Sami seduction? DR you are either a world class b.s’er or one of the most interesting people I’ve ever “met” on the internet. 🙂 Hey, I just thought of a great idea for bumper music on Scandinavian Viagra commercials … “ohh, isn’t it good, Norwegian wood.” Uff da! 🙂

    Tex, I honestly don’t understand your puppet comment, if it was aimed at me. I was simply giving you props for being two days ahead of Jeb Bush. I’m not sure how that makes me anyone’s puppet. I’ll post a link to the banned books before I hit the sack.

  406. My comment wasn’t aimed at anyone it was offered as an opinion I think is truth.
    That the 2016 Republicans have felt the need to go to Liberty and that the school is trying to assert itself as a kingmaker is troublesome to me. I find the institution severely flawed and if it is seen as some kind of staple for American Christianity then I think thats yet another problem. I also dislike the proven notion that primary red meat lying is somehow a good thing. Ted Cruz pandering to the school audience in a primary mode isn’t the stuff that is going to win the general.
    In Rutherfords defense I have to say as a registered Republican the party cannot depend on the mythical Evangelical voter nor can its candidates go and lie to them and expect a victory.

  407. Thor, what is that list? It looks like it’s just books that have been identified as requested for removal from schools libraries. Are those actually banned books? I’m familiar with nearly all of them. In fact a large number of those books are in my kids libraries of their schools. What gives?

  408. You’re welcome, thor. I’m glad you liked the songs.Most people don’t know such music exists.

    You probably already know this but maybe some don’t. The Sami music illustrates one of the short comings of organized religion. Denominations may be inspired by God, but they are human institutions subject to human failings.

    Christians banned Sami music because it was of the devil,.The joik is essentially a popularized version of a shamanistic chant which probably dates back to the Ice Age. Unlike Christians and like Native Americans, Sami used the music to become the community. They were more than a song. They were the song and the song preserved the community. Each singer was his/her ancestors, family and everyone he/she knew,. it was the church’s duty to destroy a competing religion and they did their best. They burned shaman at the stake and killed Sami who refused to convert.

    Christians were charged to convert the heathen, but they did it with compulsion and violence.

    As official opposition sometimes energizes a religion as it has for Christians in China, so Christian mistreatment energized the Sami. They were forced to accept baptism, but they created unbaptism ceremonies in secret. The governments destroyed their sacred rocks and trees, but they worshiped at the old sites.

    The Sami also illustrate the failings of our own minority communities. They are just as bigoted and sinful as the rest of us, and they like many Scandinavians have a problem with alcohol. Unlike blacks they maintained their old culture and they feel a sense of solidarity lacking here. They are beseiged in a way blacks are not. Blacks have become culturally soft and flacid as many of our Christian denominations are. They care more for their status as victims than they do for community union.

    Norway proposed a new dam and power plant. The resulting lake would destroy valuable reindeer habitat.

    The Sami did not protest by burning or assault. Theirs was a multifacited protest. They set reindeer herds loose in cities, they chained themselves to the gates of parliament and started hunger strikes. They protested in cities, and they sued the government. The Sami also told their story to the media. The widespread civil disobedience occupied over a tenth of the Norwegian police force and the government contemplated calling up the military before a negotiated peace.

    Main line Christian denominations and blacks could learn from these people. Sami have won concessions and they feel a community solidarity which is hard to find in the West. The younger generation is adopting the old ways to preserve their culture.

    They are almost like Muslims with peaceful intentions.

    I wish more people could experience life on a farm, at least for a month or two. i believe some farms offer such vacations as dude ranches do. I learned something in Europe. Local farmers and i had more in common than with many other Americans. Farmers, no matter where they live share the same concerns and like to complain.

    Norwegian Wood. I like that. Off da!

    I agree with rabbit. While I oppose censorship, I believe children are too young to be exposed to some topics. It is for the same reason we don’t let them drink, drive or vote before a certain age.

  409. Finns are joyless alcoholics with a high murder rate, just like the Norwegians.

    No wonder the music sucks.

  410. Seems to me the Christian Faith is somehow failing to show them the light.

    It is, Rutherford. You’re absolutely right. You think we’re doing ourselves any favors with stupid looking men and women with pompadour hair speaking in gibberish? Priests molesting children, worse going unpunished? The Joel Osteens of the world with his health and wealth message? It’s disgraceful. It humiliates me.

    You think I don’t understand why Pfesser looks at these charlatans and mocks? Why shouldn’t he? It reinforces the stereotype. Let me tell you, wearing priestly robes and then sounding a used car salesman is an abomination. I went to a Mass the other day with my wife. I listened to the homily and it was so dry and empty and meaningless, I looked around and wondered why anyone was still awake. I’m convinced 98% of the people are there to take Communion.

    When you turn churches into parties and worry about the size of your membership and the size of the tithe giving far less concern to worship, you never demonstrate the Christian Faith and you turn worshiping Jesus into a mockery. It very much reminds me of the money changers at the temple.

    Don’t know why that would be appealing to someone looking for something more. Leaves me cold. I would find something else if I thought that was all there is. Guessing it leaves the head loppers cold too.

  411. A blogger wrote that the most popular Finish recreation is drowning. They endure hot sauna temperatures, beat each other with birch branches and then jump into ice cold water.

    A teacher who has taught Finish exchange students said they are not like other nationalities. They are brighter than most but are otherwise strange.

    Sami music is its own genre, barely related to Finland or Scandinavia.

  412. I don’t know what this list is supposed to represent. Banned? It’s been a while since my kids in K-12, but I know for a fact this was in the Catholic School Library. I saw the movie with my kids, my kids were assigned to read the book, it sits on our shelves.

    7) The Kite Runner, by Khaled Hosseini

    Why would a blatantly homosexual agenda book need to be in a school library, other than to indoctrinate, by the way? We don’t allow porn on the school networks, do we?

  413. In Rutherfords defense I have to say as a registered Republican the party cannot depend on the mythical Evangelical voter nor can its candidates go and lie to them and expect a victory.

    Liberty is no king maker. It’s pandering. It is what politicians do.

    But Liberty is also a fine college. Don’t believe me? The ACLJ frequently destroys the ACLU and its bevy of Lefty Harvard lawyers in front of the Supreme Court. Some of those guys graduated from Liberty. Of course, when the Left makes the “ratings scale” on capability, it’s easy to be head of the list.

    But you’re as wrong about mythical Evangelical as you are about Texas, Alfie. I’m beginning to believe, you live in as much of a NE bubble as Rutherford does. What gives all you heavily blue state dudes left in a lifetime of stale masses and believe the name Kennedy mythical, some heads up about Evangelicals that we Red State dudes who actually live here don’t know? Mythical? 50MM votes is mythical? Why do you think our states so red? Guns? {snicker} No. We’re are visibly religious. It’s a life most of you Yankees have no concept, whether Republican or Democrat.

    Half of you believe Jerry Falwell was leader of the Evangelical Church. That’s a myth. You’re media driven. It’s like Rutherford getting his worldly view from MSNBC. You guys are making the same mistake. The real church leaders do their work without benefit of CNN.

    Let me tell you what is mythical. Catholic Conservative you hear about in the media. Half of them voted Barack Obama. No wonder the old Catholic Church is dying a slow death. It should.

    These Catholics look to Pope Francis as some man of God, the guy in priestly robes I was talking about. There’s a guy in NY named Timothy Dolan who is about 1,000 times more qualified.

  414. Thor, the list surprised me. I was expecting stuff like “Catcher in the Rye”. Frankly no one below high school age should be reading anything by Toni Morrison. She’s an adult author writing for adults. In fact she has no business in a HS curriculum either. College, yes.

  415. The ACLJ is based out of Regent.
    I don’t get where you think I have a thing about Texas.
    The “mythical” Evangelical voter is a reality in that the EV is actually just a component in an individual who has multiple issues they feel strongly about and vote accordingly. Pursuing the EV is folly as the social issue planks are either dead ends or just prattle.
    For clarification perhaps I should stress that I believe there are important differences and distinctions between an Evangelical Voter and a Conservative Voter. Where people deny the distinctions you will find a person who is either not truly evangelical or not conservative.

  416. Unlike blacks they maintained their old culture and they feel a sense of solidarity lacking here.

    James I’m not looking for a fight but what do you mean by this? Blacks didn’t maintain African culture? Weren’t allowed to – they were slaves.

    How do you define black culture?

  417. Tex, it’s funny you bring up Dolan. Hard not to like the man and interesting to watch him defend Pope Francis. You can tell he’s WORKING at it. You get the sense he’d be more comfortable with a more conservative Pope. Still, Dolan strikes a conciliatory note.

  418. The ACLJ is based out of Regent.

    That’s a distinction without much difference now, isn’t it?

    Pursuing the EV is folly as the social issue planks are either dead ends or just prattle.

    A nice secular answer and in fact is the message of the Republican Establishment. At best, the Establishment pays lip service to social issues. But your voting bloc doesn’t. Hence, the reelection of Barack Obama.

    Where people deny the distinctions you will find a person who is either not truly evangelical or not conservative.

    Exactly the point I was making. I offer myself as proof. Hopefully, my evangelization is self evident. Now you can explain to me how I’m not Conservative.

  419. I don’t expect the Cardinals to condemn Pope Francis, Rutherford. Of course Dolan was more comfortable with Benedict. He’s also a gentleman. I was praying Dolan would be “elected” Pope.

    I don’t even contest that Pope Francis is sincere in his belief he does God’s work. I’m not attributing evil directly to Francis. But I do believe this Pope’s world view assists true evil, thereby rendering Francis to be unqualified to be figurehead of the Catholic Church.

    And I can confirm that with a simple test. Who is it that is singing the Pope’s praises? The U.S. media? Hollywood? Raul Castro? You?

    What do all of you have in common?

  420. The problem with banning books is it often makes them more attractive to some. Anytime you tell someone they cannot have something or do something, human nature serves to elevate the desire to have and do those now taboos. Getting back to religion, that was the stated purpose for giving humans ‘the law’. Before the law, humans were supposedly unaware of right and wrong. Once they were given rules, there became a desire within us to do what was now labeled wrong.

    Book bans today, much like book burnings of yesterday are forced censorship. Though I do not believe children should be exposed to much of what is contained in many publications, access to the internet and teevee have been a way around these bans. The best solution is and always has been involved parenting.

  421. Now you can explain to me how I’m not Conservative.

    Your views regarding our military and how we should be controlling other peoples and nations in the world through it are far from conservative. It is that way with much of your right wing allies.

  422. I have much against the Catholic faith in terms of its means and methods both now and historically. True, there are believers within the Catholic bloc, but most are disillusioned and worship idols. Jesus is represented, but is generally still hanging on that cross crucified. Most prayers and rituals are devoted to dead saints, mere mortals elevated to a level of deity.

    Though this pope is described as a peacemaker, and he may well be, he will end up leading many down a path of destruction. The most dangerous evil is that clothed in good. A study of the life of one Judas Iscariot might help one’s understanding.

  423. What exactly do you think are points that make up an Evangelical Voter?
    Abortion,criminal justice,health care,housing,fuel assistance programs and education are examples that come to mind.

  424. Your views regarding our military and how we should be controlling other peoples and nations in the world through it are far from conservative.

    You’re just not an embarrassment to Christianity. You’re an embarrassment to call American. A strong military and the duty to support them is the very essence of Conservatism, fool. It was to our founders, it is to me. You don’t even like your country, much less love it. And I believe my beliefs are as far from America Imperialism as it can possibly get.

    You don’t identify with an party, but are next of kin to David Duke I’ve decided. You’re a poor anarchist and traitor hiding behind the very people you condemn and lie about – you’re an ingrate and will be residing in Dante’s night layer of hell.

    Frankly, I am glad you don’t find me Conservative. Because I damn sure don’t want to be lumped in with the likes of you.

  425. Abortion,criminal justice,health care,housing,fuel assistance programs and education are examples that come to mind.

    More specifically restrictions on abortion, a fair criminal justice system that treats rich and poor alike, school choice, no restrictions on the practice of religion or the lack thereof, the right to bear arms.

    But equally important are personal responsibility, love of country, just capitalism, smaller government, only paying for the things we can afford, and a strong military backed fully by its citizens.

    I don’t know what you mean by housing. And I would be against fuel assistance programs except in emergency.

  426. Here you go, Rutherford. Written by a secularist answering all the charges you like to throw out as proof – these failures of Christianity don’t serve the poor. It’s an utter lie. And note, this is not a “religious” person who penned this.

    Here’s the most important excerpt in relevance to you…

    There’s a common trope among liberals, that many Christians are abdicating Christ’s message by focusing on stupid issues like sexual morality and abortion rather than his true message about serving the poor. This shows ignorance about how conservative religious denominations actually operate. Why do so many people hold such a distorted view? It’s a product of availability bias: If you don’t actually interact much with those churches, then your understanding is shaped by the politically controversial stories about abortion and gay marriage. These are readily called to mind because they are perennially discussed, while the vast work that churches do to help struggling people, day in and day out, goes unremarked.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-15/verily-i-say-unto-you-christians-care-about-the-poor

  427. “This shows ignorance about how conservative religious denominations actually operate”

    Exactly. It’s isolated liberal syndrome. Rutherford is practically dying from it.

    Get out! Work the world a bit!

  428. Abortion,criminal justice,health care,housing,fuel assistance programs and education.

    You left out gay marriage. And I think you are too kind. I would say the top three issues are gay marriage, abortion and education-particularly the right to introduce religious concepts into the curriculum. I think your inclusion of the others gives the religious right credit for a much bigger platform than they really have.

    Question-is it fair to say “religious right” and evangelical voter are synonymous?

  429. I don’t know where Tex and Rabbit get the idea that I don’t think the church devotes considerable time to charitable works.

    Wouldn’t it be nice to see the patron saint of evangelicals, Mike Huckabee focus on the poor (particularly inner city poor) instead of threatening to leave the Republican Party over gay marriage?

    I think it was on either Face the Nation or Meet the Press yesterday where someone said “wouldn’t it be refreshing to see a GOP candidate do more than a speech to the NAACP and actually go into the neighborhoods and talk to people? There’s an entirely untapped pool of voters there.”

  430. Thank you for providing this, Rutherford. It so aptly demonstrates how much of a product of misinformation you really are because of availability bias as the story demonstrated. Tigre scolds you daily for your lack of breadth and being a wooden dummy on the lap of MSNBC.

    I don’t think Tigre really does it justice accusation justice. I find you even far worse and more biased.

    I would say the top three issues are gay marriage, abortion and education-particularly the right to introduce religious concepts into the curriculum. I think your inclusion of the others gives the religious right credit for a much bigger platform than they really have.

  431. I don’t know where Tex and Rabbit get the idea that I don’t think the church devotes considerable time to charitable works.

    This is what happens when you know nothing but how to repeat what you hear on biased and bigoted media that’s as clueless and biased as you are. Perpetual indulgence of the inane forming a sphere of stupidity. Why, why, why I can’t imagine how Tex and Rabbit could arrive at such a conclusion.

    Why should any Republican pander to a bunch of black racists and hustlers that are not only purposely hostile, indoctrinated with anger and the most insidious of lies, but too stupid, racist and blind to know anything else and never have one intention of doing anything different either?

    That voting bloc has already been afforded more respect than it ever deserved. They deserve none.

    Here’s what I would tell NAACP and the inner city if I were candidate when they started up with the propaganda, probably explaining why I would make such a poor politician but great war time consigliere and general.

    “I’m not pandering to you racist bastards. If you’re not smart enough to know you’re being used as lemmings, I have no use for you. Look around you imbeciles. You live in a shit hole because you think like shit and you act like shit. Now you don’t like that straight talk? You want to riot? Well go right ahead. Because the first house that is going to burn when we catch you is going to be your own. And I’ll make you this promise. After we’ve brought the riots to a stop, I’m going to personally order up 1,000 massive front end loaders and line them up side and by side. And we’re going to bulldoze your entire neighborhood into dust. You won’t have to worry about burning it down. There will be nothing left to burn. And there won’t be a crack you can crawl into either when we start substituting real bullets this time. You so much as lift a pebble to throw, we’re going to blow your head off. And you want to loot? Good luck. Because I’m going to bring the roof down on top of you. “

  432. And Tex just proved why we won’t see another GOP prez anytime soon. 🙂

    P.S. Did it ever occur to you, Mr. Straight Talk that a lot of blacks are tired of being taken for granted by the Dem party and would welcome an alternative voice that made an EFFORT?

  433. Rutherford, I would pander the hell out of blacks, and I would mingle. I wouldn’t make promises I couldn’t keep but I would make myself personally known to them The Rolling
    Stones used that strategy during their first US tour. They appeared in cities like Omaha to lackluster reviews. They later explained it was little ,more than an attempt to get themselves “known.”

    I read that Republicans are considering a similar sacrificial lamb strategy They would run candidates in districts nearly impossible to win with the intent of getting themselves known and of drawing some votes toward the Republican party. Eventually Republicans might win a few races. As it is, Republicans are almost aliens from Mars in some districts.

  434. My list of Evangelical issues was not presented in any order or other form. I was painting with a broad brush trying to capture the spirit of some political issues and points I personally believe embody the spirit of Christian evangelism.
    FWIW Tex I enjoyed seeing your response on justice.

  435. I’m not an expert. I just observe. I define any culture by its attitudes and values toward families, religion, violence, honesty, achievement, thrift and similar traits.

    it is hard to eradicate an ingrained culture from any society. Vestiges remain. Most blacks were yanked from their world and placed in strange places with little frame of reference to connect them to their previous lives. Europeans and Asians faced the same problem, but of course, they came volunterily and they were free. They tended to live with their own kind and helped each other adjust.

    Those people still retain at least traces of their old lives. Some of the indigenous identities show themselves on times as simple as inoccuous as this blog when good natured teasing about Nordic tribes shows itself.

    I believe blacks preserved as much of their culture as they could. Like other settlers, they associated with members of their own races. However, they were as diverse as Europeans and there was little certainty that they would know many people from their home regions.

    I think their contribution to American music was in part a cultural trait that some blacks carried to the western hemisphere. As I wrote in my term paper, the Stockholm Syndrome made blacks adopt white attitudes and values to combine with their own.

    Blacks were down- trodden during and after the Depression, but they rarely rioted and they held strong family ties. They were religious and they worked hard to succeed. Harlem in the 1920’s through the 1950’s was the place to go to see the latest entertainment and cultural developments. More followed Booker T. Washington than WEB Debois. Thomas Sewell wrote that the disfunctional black culture has white origins traceable to an area northeast of London. Some blacks adopted this white racial memory and it grew with the class destruction of the Great Society policies.

    That’s what I meant. A large minority of Blacks is discarding the fragment of a past barely remembered culture and what they adopted from others. Some whites are following their path. I blame the social welfare policies and race baiting of the last couple of generations.

  436. Tex as far as I’m concerned evangelicals are social conservatives.
    I think that captures the spirit of my position about there being differences.
    I don’t think its fair to call a true evangelical voter a social conservative and this is some of the reasons why.
    Although the gay marriage and general homosexuality thing is a given I think an evangelical is open to criminal justice reforms. My bit about heating assistance? I think evangelicals would as a rule outside of their charity works support “Caesar” helping to make sure people stayed warm. I think an area evangelicals get a bum deal is that their similarities with Libertarians or Tea Party types over government size isn’t based in the same reasons. Lastly evangelicals under the banners of discipleship and stewardship could be expected to vote for the environment in a way that is neither like a Green or a Conservative.

  437. Did it ever occur to you, Mr. Straight Talk that a lot of blacks are tired of being taken for granted by the Dem party and would welcome an alternative voice that made an EFFORT?

    I call bullshit. That would require critical thinking – were talking about reflex and instinct. They don’t know better.

    Did it ever occur to you that these “disenfranchised blacks” are playing a game of lying and seeking even more favor? That they can throw in another opportunity for celebrity and to play bully constituting about 90+% of the black population? That they believe they are sticking it to the man while they cut off their noses to spite their face? The fact I am absolutely right that a majority of blacks not only hate White America but they’ve been taught to hate White America,even profit on the hate?

    Did it ever occur to you that well over 2/3 of whites are fed up with blacks complaining about slavery, white privilege, victimization? That whites are quietly and quickly reaching the point of not giving a damn what most blacks think and will happily segregate without complaint and without permission? That the other 1/3 are mentally ill or capitalize on keeping blacks disenfranchised in a multitude of ways? That the ball is now in your court and the pandering should stop to a bunch of belligerent racists and liars?

    Here’s a word I don’t give one shit if somebody calls me. Racist. And here are a few more. Homophobic, Islamophobic, LGBTphobic.

    You can elect all the Obama’s you want. I don’t think you should be nearly as confident about not having another Republican President either. The magic of platitudes has peaked. Sooner or later, the freebies run out. One tip of the market, one collapse and your kingdom is bye bye and I think you know it. The shit is about to hit the fan and I’ll have absolutely no sympathies for you Obama voters. Because your beloved party has made a complete mess of things, spent trillions doing so, endangered even Americans on our shores, couldn’t pull their thumbs out of their collective asses if they tried, and chances real good what you counted on for “entitlements” aren’t going to be anywhere near what you’ve promised. Period. It’s palpable and imminent. Those that don’t understand that are ignorant and backward.

  438. Here’s some more medical dung marketed by the Obama, dope smoking, Millennial crowd + the Toolman™. The safe nature and modern miracles of weed.

    What a bunch of brain dead dumb shits. I only wish I could live long enough to see the zombies crawl around as adults. I can’t even imagine what unfiltered reefer is doing to your aveoli and changing the biochemistry of the brain to boot. What the hell, they can’t get anymore stupid? Yes We Can!

    Anything that prohibits the functionality of growth is not good with the CNS hormones being inhibited. So smoke up, young Lilliputian Libs. 😆 😆 Make my doctor daughter and son-in-law’s jobs all the more profitable. They’ll never run out of patients. Cash only, mofos. 😈

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11613107/Boys-who-smoke-cannabis-are-four-inches-shorter.html

  439. Tex there is only one way the GOP can afford to ignore minorities in a general election: if blacks only turned out to vote for the black guy. Minority apathy or indifference at the polls will help you. You better pray for it.

    P.S. If HRC is the nominee you’re gonna have to fight off the women, a sizable chunk of the voting population.

  440. As I get ready to pop out a new thread, I’ve got some wild shit for you folks.

    I got furloughed from my seasonal call center job end of March and got called back in. Today was my first day back and what do I discover? By end of 2015 they’re outsourcing my entire department. That’s right folks. I come back from furlough to find out I’m being laid off.

    Ain’t that a fucking bitch!!!

  441. By end of 2015 they’re outsourcing my entire department. That’s right folks. I come back from furlough to find out I’m being laid off.

    That’s the standard model of Obama’s trickle-up-poverty program working as projected. 😛 Can you hit that food stamp line and grab a $18,000 deductible for Big O care still when furloughed?

    I’m sorry, Rutherford. I can’t help but laugh because I can’t help but feel you probably did too. Call center jobs and Dems go together peanut butter and jelly.

  442. By the way, Rutherford. If blacks, Hispanics, and liberal man haters want to stay in poverty and unhappiness and remain on the path to ruin, let them. I’m not going to pander to stop them. I’m going to help them get there quicker, if possible. And this time, I’ll short the market and make a fortune on their ruin, poor judgment and misfortune. While they work in thankless, low paying jobs, I’ll capitalize while I sit on my ass. I’ll stand on their broken bodies and beat my chest like King Kong. This shared birthright is now null and void.

    I for one am tired of being threatened by a bunch of parasites living off other people’s money and other people’s protection while insinuating I’m racist, as if some how that would make me beg for their vote. They can lick the brownie. My only duty is to make their lives so miserable, they move to your part of town. You like the way things are going under Obama? You think this is all fine and good? Don’t walk to the booth for these criminals called Clinton. Run.

    Because frankly, your Progressive future is bleak no matter how the vote goes. It’s just a matter of time. I may not have a handle on the political make up of the country. But I understand the trend line. Potemkin villages all the way down.

  443. Tex, I could barely tell my wife through the laughter. Seriously, I was cracking up at the perverse nature of it. The best part is it was part of the re-boarding class I was taking where we were being taught how to “break the news” to our customers. LOL I read it and I thought — wait a minute, fuck the customers — how bout breaking the news to me.

    Thor, the news was bittersweet. I honestly loathe the job although it’s better than the call center job I had before it. Sadly, I’m not the nice guy I thought I was. I am the wrong dude to call if you want to just complain about shit. I DON’T CARE. I’m actively looking for an exit door as we speak so the news didn’t upset me nearly as much as it amused me. The timing was just incredible — welcome back — oh and see ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya.

  444. I’m actually quite surprised. I come here to the bastion of self proclaimed libertarians and instead find a recruitment ad for firemen in Fahrenheit 451. You guys really want elected officials and government employees deciding what books your children have access to? And that’s assuming we are only talking about access for children, which we are not (the list includes public libraries, colleges and high schools) But even if that were true, Pools would still be the only one that got it right. It’s up to the parents. Amazing.

    ET, a challenged book is one that has been formally requested to be removed. A banned book is one that has been successfully removed. Fortunately, books are rarely actually removed. This is America after all. I was simply refuting the notion that it’s mostly the left that “attempts” to censor. I doubt it was liberals who were challenging books based on their references to the occult, masturbation, homosexual agenda, homosexuality or anti-family viewpoints. (all actual reasons stated for challenges). Didn’t see, “fucking a car” on their, but I’m sure it’s just a matter of time. 🙂

    R, you mentioned “The Catcher in the Rye”. It actually was on the list a couple years back. Others mentioned “The Kite Runner.” Listed multiple years. Some other notables that have made the top ten since 2000:

    “Adventures of Huckleberry Finn”
    “Of Mice and Men”
    “To Kill a Mockingbird”
    “The Color Purple”
    “The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian”
    “Bridge to Terabithia”
    “The Hunger Games”
    “The Golden Compass”
    “Harry Potter”
    “Summer of My German Soldier”
    “I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings”
    “Brave New World”

  445. Dear Parents,

    We are proud to inform you that, due to their inherent use of language referring to human trafficking, radical political viewpoints and the Creator, all printed forms of the Declaration of Independence and U.S Constitution have been removed from the library.

                                                                                Best regards, Your local school board.
    

    P.S. If you insist on trying to read about your rights and silly stuff like that, check with your kids. They know how to find anything they want on-line.

  446. “I was simply refuting the notion that it’s mostly the left that “attempts” to censor. I doubt it was liberals who were challenging books based on their references to the occult, masturbation, homosexual agenda, homosexuality or anti-family viewpoints. (all actual reasons stated for challenges).”

    Lame extrapolation there, Thor.

    Maybe Falwell will help your point. 🙄

  447. I’m sorry, Rutherford. I hope you find something better as our son did.

    Our son’s first job in California was as a temp. He worked there for a year and his boss promised that he would be the first temp made permanent. This was at the beginning of the Clinton recession which reached full force in the early years of Bush first administration. Computer related jobs were hard to find.

    The branch office was training people from India and Pakistan. The boss was laid off without a replacement, and I regarded it as a bad sign. Eventually, the Asians were transferred to Michigan or their home countries and the branch office where our son worked was disbanded.

    His next job was as a temp at Radio Shack during the Christmas holiday. He was supposed to program cell phones but in the two weeks he worked there only one person wanted to buy a cell phone and even he walked out after our son told him the friends and family rate break did not include residents of Venus.

  448. I only wish I could live long enough to see the zombies crawl around as adults.

    You forget what you look like when you stand in front of a mirror every morning?. The brain may as well be dead, as it has been taken over by stoopid. But sounds like you have company as Rutherford chimes in repeating the dumb.. This is just one more reason this nation is falling way behind the rest of the world in everything except dumbness..

    I believe when the Monsanto Lord made all these things (plants) and said they were good, I believe He meant it. But then, I don’t live at odds with my faith.

    Here’s a current sampling of your ignorance…

    http://www.leafscience.com/2013/12/22/biggest-medical-marijuana-breakthroughs-2013/

    http://www.healthline.com/health-news/latest-science-of-medical-marijuana-022115#1

  449. I come back from furlough to find out I’m being laid off.

    That is pretty amusing, Rutherford. I would take that as an opportunity to better yourself. Think long and hard about what you have passion and turn it into a business you can profit from. You can probably kick around ideas here, though the feedback may or may not be helpful. 🙂

  450. Tigre are you aware of the order in which you have placed your priorities? Jerry Falwell has hurt the feelings of the gays. Jeb has pandered to a bloc that is not black. Michele was looked at with mean eyes one time in Talbots. The biggest problem we face is white masculinity.

  451. Lame extrapolation there, Thor.
    Maybe Falwell will help your point. 🙄

    Once again, sarcasm substituting for intellect. Thor successfully refuted the assertion that only libs censor.

    Now I am noticing a distinction. Conservatives seem to focus on the written word while liberals get more up in arms over what a person says.

    I maintain my original assertion that when it comes to free SPEECH, liberals have been far more restrictive of late than conservatives.

  452. Poolman I’m not saying marihuana might not have medicinal uses. There is a difference between a post-surgical use of codeine and a codeine junkie.

    My comment to Tex was limited to recreational use of pot which I submit is being underplayed in terms of its ill effects.

  453. “Once again, sarcasm substituting for intellect. Thor successfully refuted the assertion that only libs censor.”

    How so?

    He extrapolates the makes a false comparison, and you call that “successfully refuting the assertions that ‘only libs’ censor?

    What thread are you reading from?

    What assertions has he refuted specifically?

    You think that this list “evens the score” with what we were talking about?

    Are you really this dumb?

    Really?

  454. “Joe Scarborough asserts that Iraq NEVER really had a military worth a damn.”

    I’m wondering if they’re really French.

  455. Muffy to my surprise you’re still lurking. Usually you pop in and run.

    I will answer one of your questions. I don’t have the same reaction to Liberty U that Alfie does. I’m guessing they’re not top tier in terms of getting an education but that’s fine. If they invite Jeb to speak, it’s perfectly natural and fine for him to accept the invitation.

    But I repeat to you what I said to Tex. GOP ignores minorities at their own peril in a national election. It’s fine in congressional districts and even state wide but for POTUS you have to recognize the demographics. Even Reince Priebus said this in his 2012 GOP post-mortem. Liberty U ain’t gonna get you elected POTUS.

  456. “Now I am noticing a distinction. Conservatives seem to focus on the written word while liberals get more up in arms over what a person says.”

    God Bless It!!!

    This is seriously the stoooooooopidist shit I have ever read. Ever.

    Ever, ever, ever, ever.

  457. This is seriously the stoooooooopidist shit I have ever read. Ever.
    Ever, ever, ever, ever.

    That’s saying a lot. Do you ever read your own shit? 🙂

  458. “That’s saying a lot. Do you ever read your own shit?”

    Judging by the endless stream of typos that infect my comments, obviously not.

    Seriously Rutherford. That was the most brain dead bullshit EVER.

    It hurts.

    Anyone reading it is worse off because of it.

  459. My comment to Tex was limited to recreational use of pot which I submit is being underplayed in terms of its ill effects.

    Underplayed? How about jacked out of proportion for decades? That’s more like it. Sugar is more harmful than pot long term, recreational or not. Sugar is subsidized and in ALL our food. Try buying a package of croutons without any in it, or anything put out there by these state-sanctioned multinational corps. You wonder why cancer is prevalent in western culture? Sugar is probably the first reason.

  460. The Shiite militias seem to be doing fine and they are now heading to Ramadi. I think the Iraqi military has lost a generational level of operational ability which has negatives increased by trying to operate in Sunni areas. They’re seriously handicapped to say the least

  461. Thor,

    Which one of us have said parents shouldn’t be the ultimate authority? The parents spoke. Some of that stuff listed isn’t young adult material and you know it. You seem a responsible enough parent you don’t want cupcake reading soft porn at 16.

    I’ll bet my kids who read all the time have read at least half of those banned books – and that was in a Catholic Christian school.

    And I’ll guarantee you at least two on the list you provided there weren’t a bunch of Bible thumping Republicans demanding the ban.

    You honestly think Huckleberry Finn was removed on account of us? Or the Color Purple? 🙂

  462. In 20 years since it was published has anyone successfully refuted Sowell,’s “Hogwash is Happening” article on banned books?

  463. Sugar is more harmful than pot long term, recreational or not.

    Yeah, Rutherford. You know that Dr. Gluteus “Poolman” Head, lead medical authority and brave war correspondent, has discovered a piece of ‘Juicy Fruit’ far more dangerous than a bowl of hash for your kid. Peer reviewed by The High Time, of course. 😉

    Think of the long term health benefits of filling your lungs with noxious weed instead of rotting those teeth. Instead of bouncing off the wall with energy, our little gymnast can become the wall with her mouth gaped over a bong, staring with far away eyes. Wow, man. That’s real progress. Nothing fits the bill of Hope & Change better.

    You know, there was day not too many years ago when a lot of people were telling my grandparents about the benefits unfiltered Camels. And a lot later than that, how dangerous eggs and milk were for us.

    Like I told this Woodstock Doper the other day much to his chagrin, of all the losers I have met in my life, there is nothing more pathetic than some 60ish, stringy haired, reefer stinkin’, half balding, long-term weed wannabee trying to emulate Cheech Martin and thinking he’s cool.

  464. In 20 years since it was published has anyone successfully refuted Sowell,’s “Hogwash is Happening” article on banned books?

    No.

    Now Muffy. Let’s not rain down on Leftist mythology. After all, you and I know The Bible is the most dangerous of all books for young and old eyes alike. I’m sure it was the Christians that got that one banned too.

  465. GOP ignores minorities at their own peril in a national election. It’s fine in congressional districts and even state wide but for POTUS you have to recognize the demographics. Even Reince Priebus said this in his 2012 GOP post-mortem. Liberty U ain’t gonna get you elected POTUS.

    Rutherford. I will say this again. Nicer.

    It doesn’t matter what the GOP does or says with respect to most minorities. These people you want stroked don’t have one ounce of desire to change. They don’t even know what the word change means. They just want an opportunity to vent and bully and disparage. They practically crucify any black that doesn’t walk lockstep with that, Ben Carson being only the latest example.

    How many of these “minorities” do you see trying to pattern themselves after Dr. Carson? 99% of them are trying to pattern themselves after Beyonce’ and Jay Z.

    If you are correct about national elections and you could be considering each succeeding generation appears to be growing more apathetic and stupid than the last (we’re a long ways from the Greatest Generation), what Republicans should really be working on is instead of catering to hatemongers, is concede the failure to the blue states, preparing themselves for battle and separation when the mob forms. Your blue states aren’t going to make it once the collapse comes. Look at where you live – it’s in dire straits, my friend: financially, civility. The only things propping most of these big cities up these days is a 100 year head start. And where the money still flows, the Leftist 1%ers are forcing the serfs out. There is a huge resentment growing in places like Seattle and San Fran.

    This experiment called the United States probably lasted longer than our Framers ever thought possible. In reading some of the most brilliant of the Founders, Franklin and Henry, each of them warned, “We give you a Republic for as long as you can keep it.”

    That train left the station 50 years ago.

  466. Michele was looked at with mean eyes one time in Talbots. The biggest problem we face is white masculinity.

    ** GUFFAW ** Classic!

    Oh My! The oppression this poor woman has endured!

  467. Rutherford, I hope this comes as no surprise to you. I believe several of us warned you this would happen.

    Take a look at the future of predominantly Black America under the leadership of Black America. Do you really think us white bread want any a part of this, win or lose? This is $1.8 billion dollars of Obama funny stimulus money for free ultimately gets you:

    Alarming Surge In Murders And Shootings In Baltimore

  468. Hogwash is Happening?

    Sowell didn’t read Thor’s takedown under Rutherford’s rigorous standards.

    Ruuuuuuuufffffuuuuted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  469. I idley mused about what would happen if we deputized the waring motorcycle gangs to stop the murders in Baltimore. It didn’t work out so well when promoters recruited Hells Angels to be security guards at a Rolling Stones concert. Still….

    It doesn’t matter to me. Baltimore is there and I am here.

    I still believe a good Republican strategy would be to run sacrificial lambs as candidates in black districts. They would lose, but they would siphon some votes to the Republicans. The dead voters would probably be unmoved, but some of the others would.vote for Republicans.

  470. This is a true shocka! The entitled descendants of the entitled. I guess $5 million dollar weddings didn’t make her pleasant either.

    Chelsea Clinton is so unpleasant to colleagues, she’s causing high turnover at the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, sources say.

    Several top staffers have left the foundation since Chelsea came on Board as vice chairman in 2011.

    “A lot of people left because she was there. A lot of people left because she didn’t want them there,” an insider told me. “She is very difficult.”

    Onetime CEO Bruce Lindsey was pushed upstairs to the position of chairman of the board two years ago, so that Chelsea could bring in her McKinsey colleague Eric Braverman.

    “He [Braverman] was her boy, but he tried to hire his own communications professional and actually tried to run the place. He didn’t understand that wasn’t what he was supposed to be doing,” said my source. “He was pushed out.”

    Matt McKenna was Chelsea’s spokesman, and then he wasn’t. Now he works for Uber. Ginny Ehrlich, the founding CEO of the Clinton Health Matters Initiative, now works for the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

    Chelsea has embraced all the trappings of a corporate CEO, with a personal staff almost as big as her father’s. “He has six. She has five,” said my source.

    None of this would surprise her former co-workers at McKinsey and NBC News. At both the management consulting firm and the network, co-workers allegedly were told they couldn’t approach Chelsea.

    A source at NBC, where Chelsea was paid $600,000 a year, said, “If someone wanted to talk to Chelsea about something, they had to go through a producer.”