Murder by Drone and the Legacy of a Myth

Murder by Drone

As I watched Barack Obama “take responsibility” for the death of Warren Weinstein, I momentarily left my body and inhabited that of his widow. I thought, what does it mean that you’re taking responsibility? How can you possibly compensate me for my loss? Will you go to jail for my husbands murder? If not, who will?

Weinstein, a USAID worker died in what can only be honestly called a Keystone Kops operation. What’s more shocking is that it is Keystone Kops by design. This was not a botched attempt to rescue Weinstein. It was not even an attempt to take out specific Al Qaeda personnel. This was a “signature strike”. A signature strike, as I understand it, is a drone attack on a target that shows terrorist activity, comings and goings. However the folks who are coming and going are not identified. The target simply meets the signature of bad guy activity. They didn’t know Weinstein was there. Two terrorists killed in this attack were killed entirely by accident. Again, not knowing was a feature of the operation, not a bug.

There is already controversy about the collateral damage done by drone attacks against known human targets. To expand this carnage to operations where we don’t know who we are killing seems a step too far. How did we get here? It’s the impersonal nature of the technology. It’s high stakes video gaming.

At the White House Correspondents Dinner, Saturday night, Obama promised to bring jailed Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian home from Iran. All I could think was, “if we don’t kill him first.”

The Legacy of a Myth

Michael Brown did not deserve to spark a movement. He was a juvenile delinquent destined to be a blight on society barring unlikely effective intervention. Yet the myth of Brown’s demise in Ferguson, Missouri (hands up, don’t shoot) has indeed been a game changer.

No matter how much the true facts of Ferguson were twisted, the Ferguson incident has laid down a new marker. There is a “mad as hell and we’re not gonna take it anymore” mood on the streets of many urban neighborhoods right now. The war zone behavior of some police (justified or not) will no longer be tolerated.

Bottom line, “fair” or not, a white cop better have a good reason for killing a black suspect or there will be marches and in the cases of Ferguson and Baltimore, cities will burn. That is the new reality brought about by the undeserving standard-bearer, Michael Brown.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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861 thoughts on “Murder by Drone and the Legacy of a Myth

  1. I wonder why the facts of Ferguson were twisted so much.

    Trayvon was twisted too.

    Head scratcher.

    I wonder if it is 98 or 96%? The percentage of black victims killed by black thugs as opposed to cops or white people.

  2. New realities?

    Blacks are pointing out businesses owned by other races for rioters to loot and destroy. Blacks are putting “Black Owned Business” signs up to protect their shops from looters.

    New realities.

    Baltimore’s leadership is overwhelmingly Black, entirely Dem, and consists of a police force that is at least 50% black, but this is about the city oppressing Blacks?

    New realities.

    Black rioters are cutting the fire hoses of firefighters attempting to put out fires caused by the looters.

    New realities.

    Blacks are assaulting people, unprovoked, specifically targeting other races.

    New realities.

    Perpetual disgust – that’s the new reality.

  3. There’s more to this, and drone strikes in general, than you’ll ever know, but I’ll just say that this was not Keystone Cops. If you actually appreciated everything that goes into these types of operations, you’d have a very different take.

    It was unfortunate that Weinstein and Lo Porto were killed, and there was really no way to know that they would be there.

  4. “No matter how much the true facts of Ferguson were twisted, the Ferguson incident has laid down a new marker. . .”

    . . . in twisting facts.”

  5. I agree with the others, including the article Ajax submitted.

    Freddy Gray was not an innocent waif. He had at least 24 encounters and charges with the law which cost the legal system and victims a lot of money. He, like the other so called victims of racist brutality like Brown showed no signs of changing.

    The police are responsible for the welfare and safety of people in their custody, so if they caused Freddy to die, they should be punished. However, he is another person who has contributed to society by dying. Maybe sending drones to spy on criminals and stop rioters would save lives in the long run.

    This sort of thing was much worse in the sixties than it is now, but maybe not for long. Time will tell.

  6. What will the script read this time in Baltimore, being the police force majority black? Got to be Crackas fault somehow as the city burns.

    Whites abandoning city, whites gentrifying Baltimore since a few whites begin moving back in, George Bush, Jim Crow, Republicans, Willie Horton, Palestinians, racism toward Barack Obama?

    I’m taking bets this morning.

  7. Twitchy has a story with pictures. A thousand people black and white are cleaning damage from last night’s riots.

  8. There is no justification for so called ‘signature strikes’. Murder by any other name is still murder. Our drones with their strikes are terrorizing sovereign lands, leaving our signature of death and destruction. We are the very source of their terror. If we held to truth in advertising, we would accurately label our military as the largest global terror organization. But we are living Orwellian style…

    It was unfortunate that Weinstein and Lo Porto were killed, and there was really no way to know that they would be there.

    That statement is absurd. They didn’t have cell phones? Nobody knew their agenda? How were they able to get there undetected? What then is the point of the massive resources we allocate toward intelligence?

    On the terror home front, it appears there’s an upset in that good ole boy network down in your neck of the woods, Tex. I’m really surprised this was not just buried like these thing usually do. Sounds like you have vigilantes reigning in your vigilantes over there. 😀

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/undersheriff-tim-albin-resigns-following-release-of-report-on-reserve/article_46b8733a-6c0f-5313-a4f2-f49839d37e5b.html

  9. There really are parents in Baltimore who aren’t gonna stand by while their thug kid acts out.

    This brother lost serious street cred when his momma beat his ass on video that has gone viral.

  10. You’re far more interested in Tulsa’s business than I am, Tool™man. You and the Leftist rag are the only ones still keeping it alive. Unlike Baltimore, they dealt with it here immediately – plus the victim was a thug. The paper is still trying to stoke the racial angle to sell papers, but we’ve got a little history in Tulsa of knowing how to deal with undesirables if they start burning down neighbors. We burn their neighborhood down first. 😈

    To be honest, when I see this level of gross incompetence and ignorance, the first two people that come into the theater of my mind are Baltimore Barack Obama and you. I’m not even following it. I’ve dealt with too many stupid cops to know better than to run. I’m sweet as sugar while being ticketed and then humiliate them in court in front of a room full of people like I did Barney Fife down in the pike in front of other dangerous people like me. Best $249 dollars I’ve ever spent to turn wannabee Dirty Harry’s face plum colored while sitting on his hands – it actually turned out pretty humorous in retrospect. But I drive rrrreal slow now through their shit hole of a town now too when I’m going to Houston.

    However, the one thing I’m absolutely sure the Insurance Exec wasn’t was a vigilante. Vigilante’s don’t confuse their Taser with a pistol and don’t apologize thereafter for the shootin’. McVeigh was a vigilante.

    You’re going to have to work harder to offend me, Tool. You been hanging with your only “friends” the hags, nags, and shrews at Chatty Kitchen too long. Boy, you are suck up, you pussy. LOL Does Bertha browbeat you into submission too?

  11. OH, and on a further note Brother “R” and Tool$trade;man, the war criminals Bush & Cheney have struck again. OH WAIT!

    Obama launches 2,800 strikes on ISIS despite no authorization for conflict

    It’s damn delicious if you ask me. Where’s the outcry for crimes against humanity and why aren’t we frogmarching Baltimore Obama to the Hague? It’s a damn shame Graychin tucked tail and ran. I’m in the mood for some doughboy face slappin’ today.

  12. There’s more to this, and drone strikes in general, than you’ll ever know,

    Since the operation is run by the CIA, I have no doubt you are right. Supposedly significant time (months?) is invested in researching a site before droning it. It still seems to boil down to indiscriminate killing.

  13. What’s Maddow saying?

    Dunno. Pissed me off too much to keep watching. Last straw was when she suggested Wilson didn’t know that a convenience store had been robbed – which was proven false. He did know and it contributed to his approaching Brown.

    I may not always know when I’m being lied to but if I do know, it royally pisses me off.

  14. Now would be a perfect time for the Obama Administration to trot out James Taylor and have him soothe all that racial violence by crooning “You’ve Got A Friend.” ~ Sisyphus Redux

    ** GUFFAW **

    It’s raining here today. I’ve got time to pile on.

  15. 4 things on the drone part and 2 on the riots.
    I think Weinstein was a former USAID worker and that at the time of his capture he was freelance.
    Obama was stand up to offer some kind of condolence. The policy is wrought with issues.
    I think it should be said that hostages are being used as human shields and propaganda pawns. The various groups sell and trade hostages like baseball cards and benefit moving them around. Seriously look at how long the jihadists kept a Jew alive?! Ransom ripoff and all.
    The pros and cons of the drone strike collateral damage/losses is a good debate point but not proper stock for loosing sleep over folks like Weinstein.
    The logical progression of the events in Baltimore is the killing of some of the feral types. R I know you hate that word when rabbit puts it out there but it sadly speaks truth.
    Lastly I encountered a number of angry black moms back in my 911 days. They are a sight. I had one call where we basically ended up having to save the youth from mom😀 Anyway on a social commentary front that video could be used to tell how an urban mom was trying to teach her kid a lesson and keep him alive. That’s Real shit there folks. Many an urban mom knows that either a cop or civilian is destined to kill one of the “protesters ” sooner or later. I watched that vid and had more sympathy for the mom than laughs.

  16. Rutherford, if you answered already, my apologies. Why do you think Maddow is lying? At such a sensitive time, no less. Baltimore is burning and here she is stoking Ferguson. Why?

    Why is this exaggerated narrative so important to “progressives?

    These are people who love to ignore dead blacks more then anyone, mind you.

    So why?

    Why lie about Ferguson while Baltimore burns? Who would do such a thing?

  17. They so need a leader. They so need their dads.

    They so don’t need to be lied to.

    How about absent fathers better have a good reason for abandoning their kids or else “cities will burn.”

  18. And Obama’s new friends board an Marshall Islands-flagged cargo ship in the Gulf. I understand that the US has an obligation/pact that requires us to treat an attack on Marshall Islands like an attack on the US.

    So, will the Ayatollah be receiving a sternly worded letter, an Obama look of chagrin, or perhaps a #bringbackourship WH photo for the whole Islamic world to see?

  19. “How about absent fathers better have a good reason for abandoning their kids or else “cities will burn.”

    Since we can’t give them fathers, how about Obama & Co. stay the flying fuck away? They don’t need to be exploited by the pretend-social-justice-crusading-race-baiter phonies from MSNBC. . . er. . . DC.

  20. “But, but, but GITMO! But waterboarding! Waterboarding is so much more evil than hitting somebody with a Hellfire Missile!”

    No shit. Policies of expediency from the party of expediency.

  21. Obama Press Conference: “We As a Country Need to do Some Soul-Searching;” Some Police “Aren’t Doing The Right Thing”

    Phew! I was worried he might not step up to validate the rioters and looters. Thank God. We all needed that. Especially Baltimore.

  22. He also said “They’re stealing. When they burn down a building they’re committing arson.”

    I don’t think he was referring to the police.

    I hate Obama as much as anyone else, but willfully spreading lies by omission only feeds his supporters.

  23. Are you telling me these “protesters” don’t know they are stealing and committing arson?

    Obama is failing them as a leader. He’s in the perfect position, his own father split, and he’s by all accounts a great dad himself. Tell it like it is.

  24. I wish I could stick around a couple hundred years until everyone is almond-chocolate-milk skinned. I guess then it will be the people with big noses killing the people with small noses. Or else it will be class warfare, the rulers vs. the ruled, as it always has been.

    In FLA justice was served by a jury. In MO justice was served by a grand jury. In Baltimore, justice will be served by an investigation and, if needed, another jury. But these processes are built on centuries of law and understandably take time. In the era of smart phones and pizza delivery, we want everything now, even justice. It just doesn’t work that way. What we require are leaders that can convey calm and trust while solving problems within the system. Unfortunately, when money replaces these skills as the means to win office, then we are left with few politicians who actually know how to lead and are willing to sacrifice their own political future to do what is right in times of crisis. And yes, I place Obama in this new crop of leaderless leaders.

    Has Al Sharpton (case in point) parachuted in yet?

    On the drone strikes – one word, Dresden. It is the nature of war that these things happen. That is why the effort must be to keep the wars from starting in the first place (see above) but if they do, I will not arm-chair officiate what happens in operations. That is the job of historians, because it generally takes decades for the “truth” in these matters to be fully disclosed.

    BTW, my son-in-law just returned from the “Stan”. We are overjoyed, for now. Don’t know if he’ll be going back.

  25. Were the police ordered to stand down by the mayor?

    Not a bad idea. Even better – take the day off. If they want to burn this bitch down then the police and firemen should let this bitch burn

  26. I have to admit, I’ve missed the Spokane Dandy.

    Glad your son in law is back. That must have been hell on your daughter.

  27. The ship entered Iranian waters, was boarded, escorted to port, inspected, and released.

    You can see how it veered north and you can see when it realized the error and attempted to correct its course.

    Iran is going to protect and enforce its sovereign rights—on land and on sea. Had an Iranian cargo ship entered US waters without permission, there would be screams for it to be immediately sunk.

    Ship captains need to be extremely careful during this volatile time.

  28. I wish I could stick around a couple hundred years until everyone is almond-chocolate-milk skinned.

    Only partially, being it trending that no matter how much Lefties ponder, pander and dream, people are beginning to self-segregate with like kind, though I admit there’s a large contingent of mixed marriages. The days of “diversity is our strength” and multiculturalism “our creed” have been proven an abysmal failure and utter disaster. Believing all cultures equally valued and efficient is as profoundly ignorant as believing all opinions hold equal value.

    However, I could be wrong about America’s days are numbered and something cataclysmic could wake up the slight majority about how ineffective and destructive the social experiment called Barack Hussein Obama has been. Obama’s glaring deficiency is not his black half but his immoral whole.

    But that was a damn reasonable letter there, Thor. You must be getting soft since you left my presence. 😛 Hope all is well.

    P.S. – Obama’s drone strikes are about the only thing I can’t find much fault with. A shame that Leftists can’t understand why enhanced interrogation techniques also were necessary and saved countless thousands, just as the bombing of Dresden, just as the bombing of Hiroshima.

  29. I’m having an interesting Father/Daughter experience.

    My youngest, “Princess Di”, was rear ended by an attorney about my age. The damage was minimal but did crease the bumper. The problem is that there was already superficial damage on the rear quarter of the bumper which obviously wasn’t part of the wreck. I told Di to take it to Hyundai as she is out of town and I knew those vultures would find any damage they could possibly dream up. I have since taken it to a body shop which surprisingly was an even higher estimate.

    I’ve been letting my baby negotiate with the man who admitted guilt but didn’t want her to turn it into his insurance until he had a chance to decide how to proceed. Now all of the sudden, he is going soft and very slow to respond – all us old farts know the game – though I have his admission of guilt in an email. He’s low balling her (we’re probably talking about no more than $400.00 difference). She wants the whole damn bumper fixed. LOL I told her half and the use of rental car while its fixed. He wants very minimal charges as he says the bumper was already slightly damaged.

    My question is how far I let her proceed with the run around – it’s been a valuable teaching experience but I’m getting to the point of having difficulty deciding of how far to let her frustration run before I intervene.

    I’m actually kind of proud of her for her professionalism to this point. Parenting isn’t for the faint of heart.

  30. If we kill ’em with drones, we can’t interrogate ’em, Tex. While I am all in favor of whackin’ and stackin’ the stink beards, I know Obama’s self-limiting drone option is his only option.

    “Has Al Sharpton (case in point) parachuted in yet?” -Thor

    Incredibly, he saw that young kid getting slapped by his Momma and said the only semi-intelligent thing I’ve heard him say when it comes to race relations (which means someone else told him to say it). It was something to the effect of, “we shouldn’t be speaking to the looters and rioters to stop, we should be speaking to their parents and family to get them to intervene. These are mostly young teenagers. Look at that boy. He could throw a brick at a cop but he knows to lower his head when his momma starts slapping him.”

    Now it’s time for Sharpton to whip things into a frenzy and join his similarly motivated colleagues at MSNBC.

  31. Tex, your daughter should consider making an offer she is comfortable with and set a deadline after which she’ll be submitting her claim.

  32. Why it all sounds so innocent and civil since you put it like that Huck. Looks like a sternly worded letter did the trick with our new friends.

    Why did Obama dispatch a destroyer?

  33. If we kill ’em with drones, we can’t interrogate ’em, Tex. While I am all in favor of whackin’ and stackin’ the stink beards, I know Obama’s self-limiting drone option is his only option.

    Oh, don’t misunderstand I thought it the best option, Tigre. It’s the only option palatable after the hypocrites and assholes have accused our interrogators of being executioners like the Left. In fact as you point out, it demonstrates the absolute stupidity of the Left’s mindset – we all know they hated George Bush and the military more than they did the jihadists. The only people they truly care about are themselves. Rutherford and Thor may not have been rooting for American military deaths – but a lot of their band of Obama brothers at Slate, Rolling Stone, Mother Jones, KKKOS, Media Matters, and MSNBC damn sure were.

    Waterboarding KSM = evil
    Blowing the shit out of some children in proximity with a Hellfire missile from a drone? Excellent

    These mofos are sick – even psychotic; their hatred like the gay activists is growing more irrational by the day. But it beats the hell out of letting the religion of pieces type back into the theater of operation to kill more soldiers in trade for a couple of traitors or deserters as is Obama’s preference.

    Can you see why I think much of the Left is as evil as any head lopper? It’s the same demon without the balls and scimitar, one a religious zealot, the other a militant anti-religious zealot allied in an unholy alliance of the hatred of Christians and Jews. Both will persecute and both will destroy.

    I’m not kidding when I tell you I just because someone calls themselves American, that makes them my ally. They aren’t. For me personally, the Left aggregate is to be far more loathed than the jihadists. Jihadists aren’t capable of destroying this country. The Left is destroying this country.

  34. Doesn’t change tings, Huck. One is motive, the other effect.

    Please don’t use the word effect in a sentence since our Nixon exchange in the last thread proved beyond doubt you haven’t a clue about cause and effect.

  35. Rabbit, in answer to your question — I had a National Review binge afternoon a few days ago and one of the articles I read about the slow demise of MSNBC identified Rachel Maddow as the most ideological of the evening hosts. It went as far as to say that she will say anything to further her ideology. I’m just about done with Maddow. For starters she’s too damn pedantic and too interested in being the smartest gal in the room. I tweeted her a few weeks ago with a scold because her introduction of Liz Warren lasted almost as long as the interview with Warren herself. So she’s been wearing on my nerves lately anyway. But when she tossed out the whopper on Brown last night, I had to turn it off.

    I don’t know if most of the lib hosts are deliberately lying to further their own agendas or if they truly believe their own shit. You still can’t get a straight story about Trayvon Martin all this time later. (It didn’t help that Zimmerman WAS a loser scumbag.)

    You guys get off on besmirching the motives of liberals and “progressives” and calling them evil. I think that is nonsense. I think the lens through which they see the world shows them stuff you don’t see through your lens. The reverse is true also. That’s the average lib. The motives of libs in power – both the media and politicians – is up for grabs. I prefer not to be cynical. I prefer to think they believe their shit.

  36. which means someone else told him to say it

    Jeesh, you can be such a condescending ass. If Sharpton knows anything, he knows what strong mothers in the hood are like.

  37. I’m sure many of the leftists do believe their manure. So do we, and we are ours smells better. As I wrote, the record shows we are better than they are.
    Chris Baker a KFAB Omaha talk show host said he listened to the Baltimore police scanner last night. Most of the messages were for police officers to disengage and either stay in their cars or leave the area.

    I posted a Finish comedy showing party officials debating various positions. Near the end, they decided their policy would be to bomb enemies if they remained intransagent, but as good diplomats they would tell them they wouldn’t bomb them if they were diplomatic. If all else failed they would bomb the countries sooner or later, and maybe a little bit. If they did bomb the countries Obama should get another Nobel Peace Prize.

    The comedy routine describes the situation in Baltimore and our foreign policy.
    I’m glad your son is ok

    Good luck to your daughter.

  38. Tex FWIW for me accident=call insurance company, I trust no one to do individual bargaining. I’m sorry the lawyer told your daughter not to call insurance cos it put her in an awkward position. Whether at fault or not, always report the incident to the insurance company.

    A bicyclist came out of no where in front of my Mom’s car long long time ago. I don’t think my Mom even touched the kid (17 or 18) but she was so scared she fell off her bike. She got up, told my Mom she was ok and that she shouldn’t have ridden into the street without looking first. Just in case there was any damage to the bike, my Mom gave her the insurance info and then later she reported it to the insurance company.

    Fast forward, kid’s father sues my Mom. Mofo lost suit when he was caught in a lie in court. My mom never regretted having called her insurance. (Sad part was the kid was ok — she just had a scumbag for a father who figured he could get a dime or two when he found out my Mom was driving a Mercedes.) It’s sad to say but strangers in traffic accidents are not to be trusted.

  39. Thor, good to see you. Hope your son-in-law stays home for good.
    The problem with justice being served in a particular case is it doesn’t always have lasting effect. The City of Baltimore has settled over a million dollars of lawsuits involving police brutality over the past few years. One could say that with each settlement, “justice was served” but sadly pervasive abuse persisted. Folks want more lasting justice than just that.

  40. Muffy, I know you dislike my online persona (I won’t say you dislike me because you don’t know me) but I must say that every now and then you make a comment that runs deep with empathy and compassion. I sense you feel a bit of sympathy for these rudderless kids.

  41. Baltimore is an odd case because the looters/rioters really are NOT the protesters. In Ferguson it was hard to tell one from another. In this case, most of these hooligans were high school students, using this incident as an excuse to act out a “purge” (emulating a film of the same name). This is not to excuse their actions — but perhaps lends some insight into why some adults were quicker to condemn the behavior than what we saw in Ferguson.

  42. I am not defending anyone Rutherford. I did not hear the apology so can’t comment. I think drones suck but land invasions and smart bombs suck more. I would have preferred a drone finding Sadam Hussein to killing 10s of thousands of Iraqis. Although we are no longer in the business of taking out heads of state.

    The geniuses who are fans of water boarding and simplistic assessments of leftist motivations are not amusing. Their ignorance shines brightly in all of your comments sections.

  43. The geniuses who are fans of water boarding and simplistic assessments of leftist motivations are not amusing. Their ignorance shines brightly in all of your comments sections.

    You’re the kind of Lib I was talking about enjoying a little warfare in the not too distant future for accusing our own soldiers of mass murdering Iraqis, when our own soldiers were losing their own lives in the attempt to not kill innocent Iraqis. You fucking traitor and lying, gutless coward who should be hanged by the neck. What a total piece-of-shit you are, Ajax.

    Being I think you’re just dumb as hell, let me once again demonstrate your own simplicity with another Zero comparison.

    I would have preferred a drone finding “Sadam” Hussein to killing 10s of thousands of Iraqis. It’s Saddam, dumb fuck. But you got zero problem with a fink and associate coward letting 300,000 Syrians, Libyans, Egyptians, and more Iraqis go to their deaths as long as Baltimore Barack is President. ISIS is the JV after all.

  44. “Please don’t use the word effect in a sentence since our Nixon exchange in the last thread proved beyond doubt you haven’t a clue about cause and effect.”

    Nice try.

    Had Nixon the scruples and protection of the party and media as Clinton, he would’ve remained in office. Instead he was “deterred” from such an effort (go look it up wizard). And the Clintons are “emboldened” (look that one up too, you need the practice), thus a different type of monster. One that will engage in “shockingly flagrantly corruption” (I gave you the definition but you could use the refresher as with most of your asinine word/grammar/sentence construction deflection). Even you agree on the last effect — one that apparently can’t be deterred.

    Our exchange in the last thread what has already been proven: you really ain’t the bright. Hard to believe you went to college let alone an Ivy League.

  45. “Jeesh, you can be such a condescending ass. If Sharpton knows anything, he knows what strong mothers in the hood are like.”

    Holy fuck. You are a study in lack of self awareness and inability to see irony.

    I know what a strong mother in the hood is like, you naïve tool. That wasn’t the point. I was commenting on the fact that he said something constructive rather than destructive. Can you follow that?

    You want to point me to all of his other wins on the inner city rioting front? Let’s hear it. Thor seemed to have the same reaction I did. You?

  46. “The geniuses who are fans of water boarding and simplistic assessments of leftist motivations are not amusing.”

    You and Rutherford have the same inability to detect irony.

    I would’ve preferred waterboarding an evil murderer than the death of 10,000 troops.

    The geniuses that are fans of dead innocents and simplistic assessments of conservative sensibilities is not amusing.

    Great points.

  47. “WHAT is she wearing?”

    I think Hayes was wearing something sensible for a rap session at Starbucks without being too dressy for a riot.

  48. The geniuses who are fans of water boarding and simplistic assessments of leftist motivations are not amusing. Their ignorance shines brightly in all of your comments sections.

    Sometimes bright enough to be seen in satellite imagery. 😆

  49. accusing our own soldiers of mass murdering Iraqis, when our own soldiers were losing their own lives in the attempt to not kill innocent Iraqis.

    We had no business there in the first place and I doubt many Iraqis viewed us as protectors.

    And Tex, you gotta do better than insult someone over typos, particularly with your history.

  50. To be clear, my question to Ajax was based on the fact I know him and I know he’s no hawk. I was trying to gauge how much his admiration for Obama was factoring into his drone opinion.

  51. Well Ajax, why don’t you elaborate the drone plan for Hussein followed by the drone plan for Iraq since you seem to think the war was really an assassination mission? Would hitting him with a manned plan or long range missile have been acceptable? If so, do you have some reason to think the Bush administration wasn’t willing to exercise that option for some reason?

    I’d have liked for Iraq to surrender. I also wish Belgian ales flowed from kitchen tap. But that doesn’t tell you much other than I don’t “want” war and I like beer. So what?

    Show us that giant brain you’re carrying around functions. So far you’ve said nothing.

  52. “I was trying to gauge how much his admiration for Obama was factoring into his drone opinion.”

    What did you learn?

  53. Tigre sadly your cause effect argument limited itself to post-Watergate pre-resignation which was asinine. The issue is what deterrence did GOP potential disapproval give Nixon before Watergate? None, zilch, nada.

  54. I learned that he’s moved by the stats presented in the article he posted regardless of which administration they applied to.

    By the way I’m assuming the numbers quoted covered Bush and Obama drones (although Obama drones far outnumber Bush).

  55. Tigre funny that you mention it. WASN’T the war really an assassination plan? We didn’t like Saddam. We had no reason to dislike Iraq as a country. In fact, their enemy held us hostage for over a year.

    Although it has always sounded sophomoric, a part of me still thinks Bush 43 wanted to avenge Saddams plan to kill Bush 41.

    Maybe another reason not to have a Bush 45.

  56. I prefer not to be cynical. I prefer to think they believe their shit.

    In the end they’re only actors and just as honest as their sponsors.

  57. “Tigre sadly your cause effect argument limited itself to post-Watergate pre-resignation which was asinine. The issue is what deterrence did GOP potential disapproval give Nixon before Watergate? None, zilch, nada.”

    Sadly, it did no such thing. You were just doing your deliberate obviousness thinking it clever.

    Those is so simple your circular bullshit is beyond ridiculous. The Clintons don’t think rule of law applies to them and they behave accordingly. The left’s protects and rewards them regardless of their conduct. Political expediency.

    Quit being such a dummy. Whatever you’re blathering about doesn’t change a universal truth that you’ll get the worst behavior you’re willing to tolerate from elected officials. Fuck.

  58. Rutherford, I must apologize. Traitorous cowards, those who aid and abet the enemy with vicious lies, libelous scum like Tool™man and Ajax bring out bad Tex. I know I shouldn’t as virtually all of the civilized world loathes them as much as I do. But I just cannot help myself. Obviously, Ajax is a parrot for some of your same pet lost causes. So like Pavlov’s dog, your mouth waters in a moment of like MSNBC lip service. That defines you – reactionary buffoon on cue as assist man. I expect that – the Chihuahua biting at my heels in the dog fight.

    Now that we’ve got the technicalities out of the way, I’m willing to be a little more patient with you because you’re the blog owner. In between your stupendous feats of quoting Chris Hayes as philosopher and profound religious bigotry you are so proud courtesy of Mercedes Maya Angela Davis Rutherford, I am willing to turn the other cheek on occasion, realizing you are indeed generous to a fault with your time.

    But this Ajax? It’s not only stupid and cowardly – it is dishonest, an enabling apologist, unedifying, unteachable, but worst of all – a marionette with an Obama stick up its quivering arse waved to the latest MSNBC Maddow tripe. Grating and tedious. It has no redeeming qualities, a wooden puppet without critical thought. That’s typical of Leftism and typical of weasels.

    Having said that…that is not what really irritates me.

    Anybody that spits in the face of our military and makes accusation of them as murderers? Like you, Ajax is incapable of understanding the USA could have sent Iraq to the Stone Age and never set foot on a piece of sand – a charred landscape of rubble- and that’s before we sent in the nuclear mounted, laser guided warheads to ring the doorbell and irradiate the remaining rotting flesh.

    I just don’t care for reading accusation about soldiers and intelligence folks who put their butts on the line for scum like Ajax to then allow the same weasels and cowards to libel them. That makes Ajax a more unique and malodorous brand of bleeding, Leftist hemorrhoid and boil on the anal sphincter of humanity.

    Frankly, if there was justice in this world, Ajax would be dead tonight and the world would be a far better, brighter place. I only wish I could expedite that finality to gain a measure of personal satisfaction in the process – a sense of poetic justice I would bequeath as gift to warriors who deserve better that defending this Ajax phlegm.

    That’s bad Tex. And for that, I am sorry. The devil made me do it.

    P.S. – If you personally really want to pair off in a spelling contest without help of your browser, look me up and meet me in St. Louis. You can bring your inheritance too to place a bet. I’ve never gotten a chance to step on the toes of a man in a scooter upon exit, laughing uncontrollably while fiddling with his lost money. Because in addition to you being a bigot and dishonest hack who I don’t much care for anymore, nothing would delight me more to take the only thing from you with real meaning for you – your money. 😈

  59. “Tigre funny that you mention it. WASN’T the war really an assassination plan? We didn’t like Saddam. We had no reason to dislike Iraq as a country. In fact, their enemy held us hostage for over a year.”

    Not in and of itself.

    Hell, we didn’t even try him.

    Now how about some responses from Ajax. He still hasn’t said anything.

  60. “I learned that he’s moved by the stats presented in the article he posted regardless of which administration they applied to.”

    What he fuck is the matter with you, Rutherford?

  61. Whether at fault or not, always report the incident to the insurance company.

    🙄 No wonder you’re having difficulty accepting our country run by psychopaths. You like paying monster premiums and jumbo copays? Insurance rates go up based on reports filed which incur cost or assess greater risk. Plus profit. You DO NOT always report things to the insurance company unless you like giving your money away. There are times NOT to file a report and pay out of pocket.

    About 3 weeks ago a lady in a Honda rear-ended me when I stopped suddenly to avoid hitting a car that swerved in front of me to take a right turn. We pulled over to the side and I got out and looked over the damage. Looking at the back of my truck, you couldn’t even tell she hit me. But her car wasn’t so pretty. Fortunately the radiator was okay and it was still driveable. Her hood had the impression of my bumper and her bumper had the impression of tow hitch. Poor gal was new to the country and didn’t speak very good English.

    A witness had stopped to see if we needed help. She was wanting to call the cops, and we both advised her to not call the police, as they could cite her for hitting me. We also tried to advise her regarding her insurance, trying to explain that sometimes it is better to go outside of them to pay for repairs so as not to have your rates increase.

    She didn’t get it. I had given her my business card and her insurance agent called me the next day to inquire whether I would not be making a claim. I assured her I was not harmed by the incident and had no reason to file.

    Bottom line, if this lady had gone to the auto body shop on her own and not gone to her agent, she would probably would’t have to pay for that accident from here on out.

  62. That’s bad Tex. And for that, I am sorry. The devil made me do it.

    😛 Getting kinda hard to mask that schizophrenia, eh Textile?

  63. Getting kinda hard to mask that schizophrenia, eh Textile?

    Mask? I thought I was readily apparent I disdained your worthless ass, hapless freeloader? 😛 That’s not schizophrenic. That’s absolute.

    But like Ajax, you’re not worth the bullet or the gas for my chainsaw – unless I am allowed by law to mount your Sponge Bob Square pants head for a hood ornament on my old truck.

  64. unless I am allowed by law to mount your Sponge Bob Square pants head for a hood ornament on my old truck.

    Sure, why not? I got your schizoid head mounted in my bath…

  65. The flip side of the video of the mom whuppin her rioting sons ass was a joke I heard a black comedienne tell tonight. She said “what we need are more cop’s mamas whuppin their ass while they yell ‘STOP KILLING YOUNG BLACK MEN'”.

    To see some police behavior, you do have to wonder how they were raised.

  66. Ahhh yet again Tex giving the worst apology evah. I’ll not come to the defense of Ajax again as it just gives you excuse to pile on some more. I DON’T know you but I give you the benefit of the enormous doubt. I DO know Ajax … have for many years, long predating this blog, and he’s good people. Been there for me when it counted. Nothing else to say on that.

    As for your typos, oh please do remove the stick from your ass and look in the mirror. What’s grand about your typos is NOT that you make them, we all do. It is that you obsessively CORRECT them in a subsequent comment.

    After all these years you still think Sadam vs Saddam with a huge dose of ad hominem thrown in is effective argument. You’ll never learn. Chenzhen tried to teach you that back in the day with his silly gravatar substitutions. It didn’t take.

  67. Poolman let me revise my statement. If I hit a pole with my car and the repair isn’t going to kill me, of course I’m not gonna call the insurance company. Particularly if you’re at fault, your rates will increase.

    BUT when dealing with strangers it’s just too dicey. What Tex advises his daughter is no business of mine but she wouldn’t be dealing with that waffling lawyer if she had exchanged insurance info and gotten the hell out of there.

  68. Alfie I think Obama is in a no win situation. If he acknowledges inequities, he’s anti-cop. If he condemns the rioters, which he also did, he’s a sellout for “the man”.

    Some pundits are saying he should take the 45 minute drive north and hit the streets of Baltimore. I’m sure if he suggested such a trip his SS detail would say “Negro are you crazy?”

  69. Glad your son in law is back. That must have been hell on your daughter. – DR

    Thank you. It was hard on her. Days were filled with her job and grad studies, but night and the quiet times, hell on earth. At least they have no kids (yet) to explain it to.

    You must be getting soft since you left my presence. – Tex

    I think I was soft long before we “met”. 🙂 The truth is, I just don’t want to devote the time to the back-and-forth anymore. And it wouldn’t be fair to start a bar fight and not stick around to take a few punches. But do know this, I still read you guys and gals quite often. And I must say, you and ET are certainly in the mood today. Hope all is well with you too, Tex.

    Thor, good to see you. Hope your son-in-law stays home for good.
    The problem with justice being served in a particular case is it doesn’t always have lasting effect. – R

    Thank you, R. We hope he stays too.
    I believe the other Baltimore incidents were ended with civil settlements for prisoners that were brutally injured during transport, the so-called “rough ride”. I would imagine the fact that this prisoner actually died from his injuries, combined (for better or worse) with the public outcry, will produce a criminal investigation. Although civil actions can change behavior, I think an indictment and/or conviction, if the facts warrant it, would certainly have a better chance of producing change within the Baltimore P.D.

  70. So it has been confirmed that Freddie Gray was receiving a structured settlement from Allstate for a car accident previously, and apparently, Gray had neck and spine surgery a week before the incident with the police. So it is entirely possible that his death is related to the surgery and injury, not from the police.

    So, lets play a little game: IF it is confirmed that Gray died as a result of this surgery, and not from police abuse – as alleged – what’s the left gonna do then? Is it gonna be Dan Rather all over again – ‘well, if the letter was real, this is what it would say…’

    Who pays for this?

    Who’s accountable?

  71. The truth doesn’t matter anymore G. Lying about racial incidents is now part of the prog “ideology” as Rutherford points out with Maddow. If you don’t have the incidents to support your narrative, run with the made up ones.

    There’s a term for that: expediency.

    But don’t get me wrong. Rutherford says it’s not part of the prog “platform” or “planks” or whatever means it is but it isn’t.

    Thank God the dems are here to protect us all and take control of manufactured events.

    And thank God someone called out the real cause of all of this: veterans.

    Hope & Change!

  72. “Alfie I think Obama is in a no win situation. If he acknowledges inequities, he’s anti-cop. If he condemns the rioters, which he also did, he’s a sellout for “the man”.”

    Or he could just shut the fuck up and stick with his initial response that this is a local issue and make a call for calm. Nobody gives a shit about his credential (privileged and sheltered black). Those with the real cred have been in control of Baltimore since the 30s and look what a wonderful dem society they’ve created for themselves.

  73. I agree with Ajax about using drones. As far as torture, I know more than he does. US style water boarding is psychological, not physical torture as implied by the critics. It doesn’t leave permanent marks.

    Water boarding was a device to discredit Bush through making the US appear have an army of torturers and abusers. Democrats did not care if they harmed the world’s preception of the US or the war effort as long as it hurt Bush and helped Democrats.

    The Finish comedy routine still describes the situation in Baltimore and our foreign policy.

  74. “Is it gonna be Dan Rather all over again – ‘well, if the letter was real, this is what it would say…’

    Yes. The Dan Rather prog narrative of “fake but accurate” from the federal civil suit that was dismissed.

    You’re going to love the movie “Truth” that works its heavily-financed, twisted bullshit to prop up the liberal hate narratives (not platforms or planks mind you) accepting Mary Mapes completely destroyed version of events. It’s got Robert Redford.

    I can’t imagine why anybody would care about Rather after all this time — but there again, I can’t understand why the feels justified in outright lies about fake social injustices to be sure they have their ideology’s requisite villain.

  75. “I agree with Ajax about using drones.”

    What aspect? The false choice behind 10,000 troops or drone strikes?

    p.s. I like the drone strikes but not when the use is guided by Obama’s politically motivated limitations to the exclusion of all else.

  76. What Tex advises his daughter is no business of mine but she wouldn’t be dealing with that waffling lawyer if she had exchanged insurance info and gotten the hell out of there.

    I don’t agree. The shifting of responsibility is what got us into this whole beastly mess to begin with. Dealing with that ‘waffling lawyer’ will give his daughter good practical life experience, whereas turning it over to the insurance companies would not. She’s in the right, so she WILL win if she pushes it. Besides, dad is there to lower the boom stick if need be. 🙂 There was a time when insurance companies didn’t exist and people had to negotiate their own settlements.

  77. The Finish comedy routine still describes the situation in Baltimore and our foreign policy.

    I did enjoy that video, James. There are many kernels of truth in it. It often takes comedy such as that to reveal many of the inconvenient truths in our pc society. Much of the time we should be taking the comedians seriously and ignore the serious liars in charge.

  78. . So it is entirely possible that his death is related to the surgery and injury, not from the police.

    Yeah a crushed larynx is a well known side effect of neck and spine surgery.

    Why are you so FUCKING eager to find excuses for the police? G your stint as the beleaguered oppressed white guy is getting REAL goddam old. You had a good education and you have a good paying job and I assume your family is healthy and safe. As a human being, white black or yellow YOU have nothing to whine about.

    That doesn’t mean you owe blacks or anyone else an apology or anything else. You worked for what you have. But the resentment makes you look petty. Compassion is a good thing bro. It’ll help you work out a lot of that anger.

  79. Tigre I agree Obama could just STFU but that’s also a no-win — he’s already being accused of not talking ENOUGH about it — letting a “teaching moment” slip by.

  80. Nothing is as it seems. NOTHING the media presents is honest.

    The people of Baltimore and all of us across the country are angry. They, we, have reason to be. They, we, want a better world for ourselves and our kids and that is simply human nature. Don’t be distracted by the work of agents of another agenda. There is a real protest taking place in Baltimore which they fear will strike a cord with the rest of us if we were to see what it’s all about and who they really are. As local leaders call on the media to stop focusing on nothing but the work of the provocateurs and instead tell the story of the real protest taking place in the city, I ask you to do the same.

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/04/29/let-me-show-you-the-real-face-of-the-baltimore-protest/

  81. “Is it gonna be Dan Rather all over again – ‘well, if the letter was real, this is what it would say…’

    To G and Tigre I get this. One of my recent essays was about how the media did a whole “what if” when the cop was caught on video shooting the perp in the back and planting a Taser. Justice was done and the cop was fired and arrested but that wasn’t good enough. Media then had to argue but but but what if no video?

    We thrive on conflict.

  82. “Tigre I agree Obama could just STFU but that’s also a no-win — he’s already being accused of not talking ENOUGH about it — letting a “teaching moment” slip by.”

    He can take it. He and his DOJ look like jackasses. He ain’t our fucking teacher and even if he were he it wouldn’t extend beyond kindergarten. It’s time for adults, not politically motivated and divisive lectures. This idea that we need his opinions and lectures on matters is ridiculous.

  83. Crushed larynx? News to me…

    I’m not defending the police, and if they’re wrong, they should be held accountable. However, I’ll be damned if I take the protesters word for it considering their track record on Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, etc, etc, etc. The gist of the Baltimore protest is that this is another example of anti-black everything, and Freddie Gray is but a pawn in that message. But what if his death is not the result of that? You don’t think that matters?

    Did you just accuse me of white privilege?

  84. Extrajudicial killing by pilotless air strikes is just something our government does now. Weaponized drones are sent out to eliminate enemies of the United States, supposedly under the guidance of the Dept. of Justice and some presidential policy directives. But the rules aren’t rules. They appear to be set in stone when the legal authority behind these drone strikes is questioned. But they’re much more fluid when they “need” to be… like, say, after a drone strike takes out more than its intended target.

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150427/16430130816/cia-will-keep-killing-civilians-with-drone-strikes-because-rules-drone-strikes-arent-actually-rules.shtml

  85. “We thrive on conflict.”

    The left thrives on validating false narratives in order to vilify its political opponents.

    Why in his speech, the republicans are indirectly responsible for Baltimore by (probably) blocking all of his (maybe) proposed spending there. Not dem controlled Baltimore itself. Republican controlled Congress.

  86. I forgot my, “what do you mean WE, Kemosabe?”

    The right isn’t thriving on these conflicts. The left and leftist media is.

  87. I think the crushed larynx was offered by the family, disputed by the cops, and not referenced in the Autopsy (according to LA Times).

    So, crushed larynx like all other facts are uncertain.

    Now if it was a white cop that did it, crushed larynx = case closed. Ask Maddow.

  88. After all these years you still think Sadam vs Saddam with a huge dose of ad hominem thrown in is effective argument. You’ll never learn. Chenzhen tried to teach you that back in the day with his silly gravatar substitutions. It didn’t take.

    Maybe it’s because I wasn’t really making an argument? To have an effective argument requires two sentient, self-aware beings. I don’t waste my time trying to reason with purposely stupid lemmings like Ajax. You demand I rationalize with a wooden puppet. And I damn sure don’t waste my time with that worst form of ingrate.

    But to appease your insensibilities…I most certainly will try:

    Where’s the Hope & Change, Rutherford? Where’s the restoration of America’s good name across the globe and the peace, Thor? Ajax, can you name me one country where America’s reputation has been appreciably improved under Dear Leader Obama? Rutherford never makes the attempt but seems quite smitten with your genius.

    Is that better? Think I’ll get an answer, Rutherford? Wonder if Thor realizes about 80% of American soldiers deaths in ‘Stan have been under the fantastic & fabulous leadership of Dear Leader’s surge? Thor has a right to be worried as the military has all but abandoned the failed CiC. But you won’t hear that out of his mouth. 😐

    And you really want me to pose an effective argument and carry on a debate? With whom of these Leftists do you speak, blog owner? Thor is the only one even willing to respond first person.

    “R”, I noticed ChenZhen didn’t hang around too long thereafter when things went south in a big hurry under the radical transformation. The blog is still there. Would you like to compare and contrast which one of us have been proven right? I think you’ve apparently forgotten both of you intellectual stalwarts have been demonstrated quite stupid and quite wrong in the seven years hence. But by all means, let’s invoke Chenzhen.

    I think you’re buddy Ajax is loathsome and an ingrate – nothing redeemable there. It’s you that obviously doesn’t get it. Your ‘religion’ is dissolving, chaos has predictably ensued, and you have resigned yourself to heading for the tall cotton hoping we won’t remember all those boasts. Squirrel!

  89. Gorilla, that stupid bitch? I wouldn’t let that imbecile bother me for one second. The Clown Car Network is history as she soon will be – that stupidity is recorded for all of history. The more these Leftists talk, the worse they look. SHOUT A LITTLE LOUDER, CNN!

    Yesterday, the racist pimp ‘Congressman’ Cummings was met with mega decibel “Fuck You” by the Baltimore crowd. Scream it a little louder, brothers and sisters. These self-serving Black Caucus assholes have played no small part in creating this jungle and living on your ignorance. See your real enemy! #HandsUPDon’tShoot!

    I’m going to enjoy observing the mob turn on these fallen kings and queens like they’re turning on $harpton.

  90. Ah, the Rose Law Firm Billing Records to Sandy Berger to Benghazi film maker scapegoat to. . . Clinton Foundation!

    All of it tolerated if not condoned by the left.

    You made them. They’re yours.

  91. “Alfie I think Obama is in a no win situation. If he acknowledges inequities, he’s anti-cop. If he condemns the rioters, which he also did, he’s a sellout for “the man”.

    Some pundits are saying he should take the 45 minute drive north and hit the streets of Baltimore. I’m sure if he suggested such a trip his SS detail would say “Negro are you crazy?” “

    “Tigre I agree Obama could just STFU but that’s also a no-win — he’s already being accused of not talking ENOUGH about it — letting a “teaching moment” slip by.”

    You’re both correct that Obama can’t win and wrongheaded to suggest that the reason for that rests with anyone but himself.

    First, a “win” for Obama would not include peace. An Obama win would be quantified by the number of future votes secured for the Democrats, local and national. To that end he’ll never win enough to end the constant campaign for souls.

    Second, it’s not because there’s something wrong with us that Obama can’t win with his remarks. Rather it’s because he’s a smoother Al Sharpton when it comes to race relations in America. Another man could win here. A man with clean hands could win here.

    Third, a decent president could win here. Obama may not be any more or less evil than many or most other men, be his tenure as president is marked by discord sown by him and his handpicked associates. That’s not decent.

    You’re making excuses for the man who will not, we now know, rise to the opportunity he asked for and was given. And that’s his own fault.

  92. Some of the commentators are really quick to assess who I am and condemn me to death based on a few statements. Truly admirable behavior.

    BTW there were fewer drones during Bush’s time because the technology was still developing.

  93. But what if his death is not the result of that? You don’t think that matters?
    Did you just accuse me of white privilege?

    I infer that you’re going out of your way to find the alternative story that lets a police force with a spotty record off the hook. But to answer your question, if this is a trumped up rush to judgment then dammit, we’ve been fooled again and NO that’s not ok. Every time that happens it makes it harder for real abuse to be snuffed out.

    I accused you of human privilege. Through hard work AND some good luck you’re in a comparatively comfortable place. Compassion for those less fortunate should be your first go-to place, not resentment.

    Trumped charges and riots are distractions from the every day reality that these people’s lives are shit.

    My next research project is going to be on gentrification because I’m beginning to suspect this is just the 21st century version of the pilgrims taking over the Indian’s land. If I discover my theory is bull I’ll report that too.

  94. The right isn’t thriving on these conflicts.

    Like John Lennon, you’re a dreamer. First conflict ALWAYS by definition involves more than one party (I don’t mean political party).

    Second, the right picks its fights too. Otherwise the Supremes would not have been hearing oral arguments on gay marriage yesterday.

  95. “Yeah a crushed larynx is a well known side effect of neck and spine surgery.

    Why are you so FUCKING eager to find excuses for the police? G your stint as the beleaguered oppressed white guy is getting REAL goddam old. You had a good education and you have a good paying job and I assume your family is healthy and safe. As a human being, white black or yellow YOU have nothing to whine about.

    That doesn’t mean you owe blacks or anyone else an apology or anything else. You worked for what you have. But the resentment makes you look petty. Compassion is a good thing bro. It’ll help you work out a lot of that anger.”

    Woah. Hold on a second there. You follow your passive aggressive indictment of the cops based on unconfirmed reports on the cause of death, and rebuke G for being so FUCKING eager to find excuses for the police? You don’t find neck and spine surgery a week before the incident relevant?”

    “Beleaguered oppressed white guy?…You have nothing to whine about?”

    That ain’t right.

  96. Now if it was a white cop that did it, crushed larynx = case closed.

    FWIW, despite Baltimore’s mixed force, I don’t recall seeing black cops tossing Freddy in the van as he cried out in pain.

    Remember when Oklahoma Barney Fife accidentally shot that dude? The cop with him told the dying suspect “fuck your breath”. I suspect the same with Freddy … “Fuck your pain”.

    But it goes beyond race. There seems to simply be an epidemic of cops not viewing the folks in their neighborhoods as human beings. When you don’t give even a small bit of respect bad things happen. They did not mean to kill Eric Garner on Staten Island but they did not respect him. His cries for help weren’t heard because he was nothing but a low down perp, not a human being.

    I’ll tell you. One reason I want no encounters with the police has nothing to do with race. I’m afraid they’ll ignore my obvious disability and man-handle me and I’ll get hurt. Some of these cops are soldiers now with a war zone mentality. It’s scary.

  97. Ah, the Rose Law Firm Billing Records to Sandy Berger to Benghazi film maker scapegoat to. . . Clinton Foundation!
    All of it tolerated if not condoned by the left.
    You made them. They’re yours.

    Well you’ve gone back further than I’ve been following politics but I see many on the left very concerned about the Foundation donations – and the mail server.

    Be that as it may I will grant you this one shred of outrage. The overwhelming favorite for the Dem nomination “enjoys” a 60% mistrust rating. No matter how you slice it, that’s fucked up.

  98. Some of the commentators are really quick to assess who I am and condemn me to death based on a few statements.

    Welcome to Internet bizarro world. I insist there is a 1% chance that I will vote for HRC. I may not vote at all. But El Tigre knows me so well that he guarantees 99% I will vote for Clinton.

    This place is a nuthouse but it’s my nuthouse. 🙂

  99. Gorilla, what’s wrong with you? You full of hate, bro? Why would you question the protesters’ narrative? Hands up don’t shoot bro. Guilty.

    “This idea that we need his opinions and lectures on matters is ridiculous.” -T

    Big time. Nobody told him he’s president of the United States of America.

    His college campus grievances shouldn’t mean shit. Lead the fucking country.

    His “classroom” err…I mean country is out of fucking control.

    This notion of being entitled to instant justice is horrifying. Mob rule. Mob violence. Fucked up.

    This presidency is such a disaster, man. It will take decades, if ever, to get this country on track.

    I honestly believe Obama could demand another 4 years as president and millions of fascists would be willing to street fight to make it happen.

    And the big eared fuck had the audacity to blame the riots on the GOP?

    Can’t make this shit up.

  100. BTW there were fewer drones during Bush’s time because the technology was still developing.

    True, to a degree. But I see it more like a test balloon.

    Hellfire missiles have been a staple in our arsenal for quite some time.

    Over time we’ve adjusted delivery and increased frequency. Killing is less personal and more businesslike. It’s just a job, like pest control. Since we began terrorizing locals in the stans, our public has become more apathetic and self absorbed rendering us less human redeemable among the createds.

  101. “but I see many on the left very concerned about the Foundation donations – and the mail server.” -R

    I forget. Do most of them say they are concerned after they admit they will still vote for her or before? What ever the case, it seems every “concerned” liberal feels the need to point out that at the end of the day, they are voting for Hillary Clinton.

    Ooooh….concerned.

  102. You don’t find neck and spine surgery a week before the incident relevant?”

    Yes Muffy, relevant and all the more damning. Dude was crying out in pain, was ignored, and then transported without seat belt. His basic human needs (perhaps based on that recent surgery) were ignored.

    It’s the same lame excuse made with Eric Garner “his health risks made his early death an inevitability”.

    I will give you and G this much. I’ll say no more until we get a coroners report. G COULD be right. Could all be trumped up.

  103.  “The overwhelming favorite for the Dem nomination “enjoys” a 60% mistrust rating. No matter how you slice it, that’s fucked up.”

    What a principled lot the rank and file of the Democratic Party must be.

    Awesome.

    Fucking replace her!

  104. They all cry out in pain when taken down. They all scream they can’t breath when taken down. All of them. Hell, watch Cops for an episode.

  105. El Tigre, I support the use of drones for one reason. They”kill people and break things” They let us fight wars with fewer troops and make our enemies, at least the smart ones, look over their shoulders. There is no moral equivalency in my mind. We have the drones and they kill people. Obama’s involvement is disturbing, but how much attention does he really pay such matters?

    I’m glad you liked the video Poolman. Those Fins certainly describe many of our political leaders. That Baltimore mayor should be fired.She is just the beginning. We already know that Freddy had a long rap sheet and he was still a young man. Now that other parts of the story are coming out, the police might not be as culpable as charged. These riots are not protests as much as a nanscent revolutionary movement wittingly and unwittingly abetted by the Democrats to win votes.

    I agree with Tex. A mob is unpredictable and can turn on its former supposed benefactors.

    I also agree with Muffy.

    Its horrible to think this, but I do. Good riddance to Freddy and to the other thugs of any color who sang “I fought the Law and the Law Won.”. I also feel the same about victims of drones.

    Rutherford, I think you are right about gentrification.

    Ajax. i have no personal feelings for you one way or the other. I do think if you are lurking you owe Rutherford some help. He needs all he can get. I like conflict because I usually win, not because I am so smart, but because I am on the right side.,

  106. Some of the commentators are really quick to assess who I am and condemn me to death based on a few statements. Truly admirable behavior.

    Judas, I can only speak for myself but I do not find you the least bit credible to talk about admirable behavior. You are the proverbial one trick pony accusing the very people protecting you of being guilty of mass murder. It does not get lower. These you condemn are the ones risking their own lives to allow gutless cowards like you to speak freely, even when you are too ignorant to recognize that obvious fact.

    Your own responses are the consistent behavioral model of being the antithesis of admirable. You do make a textbook case of moron and ingrate.

    As to the accusation of quick to assess? The accusation of ‘quick to assess’ is based on the same insipid meme you post time after time while dumping and running. Repetition indicates truth of the hypothetical, or are you not cognizant of method and observation either?

  107. State of Maryland Court Records

    Freddie Grey

    • 3-20-15 – dealing cocaine

    • 8-28-08 – possession of narcotics

    • 10-5-12 – illegal gambling

    • 1-25-14 – possession of narcotics over 10 grams

    • 8-24-07 – manufacturing and distribution of narcotics

    • 8-29-07 – distribution of narcotics

    • 9-16-08 – distribution of narcotics

    • 4-16-08 – distribution of narcotics

    • 5-9-12 – distribution of narcotics

    • 1-4-15 – distribution of narcotics

    • 12-31-14 – distribution of narcotics

    • 3-13-15 – stolen property

    • 3-16-15 – distribution of narcotics

    • 3-28-08 – possession of narcotics

    • 2-12-08 – distribution of narcotics

    • 9-29-13 distribution of narcotics

    • 12-4-14 – distribution of narcotics

    • 12-4-14 – possession of narcotics

    • 3-20-08 – Burglary

    • 3-20-08 – possession of narcotics

    • 9-21-07 – distribution of narcotics

    • 4-30-08 – unlawful possession (TWO COUNTS)

  108. Tex the notion that the military’s role in protecting us makes them exempt from examination is intellectually bankrupt and you know it.

    Our soldiers in Iraq weren’t protecting us from shit. So-damn Insane was no threat to us. Now that ain’t the soldiers fault. That lies plainly on chicken-hawk Dick Cheney.

  109. Did I say Freddy was a choir boy? Dude that got shot running away from cop was a scumbag too.

    Truth be told Rabbit, if we knew how most people live, we could make excuses for everybody to be “roughed up”. Precious few choir boys out there.

  110. “But El Tigre knows me so well that he guarantees 99% I will vote for Clinton.”

    Fuckin’ liar!!!!

    100%.

  111. “Like John Lennon, you’re a dreamer. First conflict ALWAYS by definition involves more than one party (I don’t mean political party).”

    Huh?

    Ferguson was conflict between whom and whom? The dems statists take on the po po? Anyone that was disgusted and opposed the riots (including many of the black eye witnesses) were republicans? Who knew?

    The left, its messiah Obama, consigliere Holder and minister of propaganda Sharpton along with their media allies to stir shit up.

    Give me a break with this shit. As Saul would say, “you’re better than that.”

    Now, scurry along and get back to all of your raical judgments and accusations directed at G in the Baltimore matter. Git now. MSNBC needs you. . .

  112. What do you meant Rutherford? “They weren’t protecting us from shit?” I served for years, and during that time, not one Viet Cong soldier captured Wriggly field nor in the Iraqi war did Saddam Hussien’s brother- in law storm the doors of WLS? Its borrowed from a George Gobbel joke about his service in WW11.,

  113. “There is no moral equivalency in my mind. We have the drones and they kill people. Obama’s involvement is disturbing, but how much attention does he really pay such matters?”

    James you miss the point of my question to you. What if capturing them is a better alternative that isn’t exercised based on Obama’s drone policy (i.e. killing ’em is more humane than capturing or interrogating them). He’s effectively prevented from doing that — and in fact has substituted the idiotic Bergdahl trade for similar reasons.

  114. Rutherford, I didn’t post his rap sheet because I think he is deserving of being roughed up. I posted it to show what level of a criminal the cops are dealing with. Expecting they somehow know a guy like that had neck surgery a week earlier and they should risk their lives by going light is silly.

    I don’t know the details. At all. Cops may very well be guilty.

    One thing is for sure, the left will lie about this. DTA.

  115. Our soldiers in Iraq weren’t protecting us from shit.

    Gorilla, can you believe how stupid this man really is? 🙂

    This is the end result of a lifetime of racism, progressivism and MSNBCism. Pitiful, isn’t it? I’m not even sure the head loppers from ISIS born on the fields of Iraq will bother with this one. There’s no need as the head doesn’t function.

  116. “The overwhelming favorite for the Dem nomination “enjoys” a 60% mistrust rating. No matter how you slice it, that’s fucked up.”

    Yeah, I wonder what Nixon would’ve enjoyed if had stayed in office. . .

    but I digress.

  117. Fuckin’ liar!!!! 100%.

    I’d say 110%. 🙂 The only thing keeping our brainless host from pulling the Sir Hillary lever is if Fauxcahontas is at the head of the ticket. There’s a lot of people believing Hillary is already toast.

    It will be interesting to see if a Lefty misogynist can work up the minister of culture energy for a woman. I’m guessing mid ’16 will bring in a much more subdued MSNBC puppet, but a puppet nonetheless – but as the becomes tighter, instinct will take over and we’ll move to charges against us from racist to sexist. It’s as predictable as higher taxes and charges of white privilege.

  118. “I DO know Ajax … have for many years, long predating this blog, and he’s good people. Been there for me when it counted. Nothing else to say on that.”

    Yet he leaves you to snuggle with the turd he dropped here before running off. 😆

  119. In my opinion, capturing prisoners is better than killing soldiers for the information and hostage value they provide. Capturing and holding territory is better than hit and miss assinations. It is also more humane, but such actions require more soldiers and casualties than we are willing to endure. Killing enemy soldiers is not more humane than capturing them unless the soldiers are suicidal.They all have families and plans.

    . I’m not even sure we could now afford a proper war with invasions, held territory and thousands of prisoners.

    Our policy is encouraged by Obama and others because it cheapens warfare to scattered murder which stays out of the news more easily than large scale battles and scores of American deaths. Our policy of relying on drones is immoral , in my opinion. So is sending our soldiers into marginal wars without the proper support.

    However, with our limited number of soldiers,and our finances, we cannot capture as many as we can kill. Therefore, killing them is better than letting them kill us or our allies. Its immoral, but I support it for lack of a better choice. In a way, it makes me as immoral as Obama without the Nobel Peace Prize.

  120. Rabbit the rap sheet speaks to our current criminal justice problem. Most of those were drug offenses, all but one if I remember, non violent.

    The war on drugs ain’t working. I’m not for making street heroin legal but our way of dealing with it has to change. We have more folks in prison than any other 1st world nation.

    But I digress-I don’t call that the rap sheet of a dangerous criminal.

  121. LOL You guys are such simpletons.

    Ahhh Tigre let me give you even more fodder cos I’m just that kind of guy.

    Nixon was a petty crook politician but Kennedy was a … wait for it … MURDERER and the morally rudderless left forgave him!!!

    You should really let me make your arguments for you. I’m much better at it than you are. 🙂

  122. Do you guys actually have a debate or discussion here or do you just rant about your baseless agendas. I see very little supporting logic to your arguments, just insults, tirades and assumptions to back up your unchangeable views. What is your purpose other than to dominate a comments section and abuse the blogger and anyone that you disagree with.

    Perhaps Tex you should have taught your daughter to be like her father and verbally abuse the guy who ran into her and threaten to have him hung. You are fucking ridiculous and need to grow up.

  123. DAMN! Just read the wiki on Sanders. But for opposition to both Iraq wars and a demand that Saudi Arabia defend ITSELF against ISIL (yessss!), Bernie doesn’t focus much on FP. For the sake of intellectual consistency I can’t go all in for Sanders if I’m not for Warren based on lack of FP experience. 😦

  124. Do you guys actually have a debate or discussion here or do you just rant about your baseless agendas.

    LOL Mostly the latter.

    What is your purpose other than to dominate a comments section …

    Domination is water under the bridge. At this point they’re an occupying army with blog host suffering from Stockholm syndrome. 🙂 I should change my name to Patty Hearst – or maybe “Tanya” (wasn’t that her alias?)

  125. Yeah Rutherford, if this discussion had been happening at a real bar some these gentlemen would have been shown the door or taken out back. You are too tolerant of stupidity. If the guys need a dose of abuse, I am happy to provide it. Talk about inanity and self obsession.

  126. Nancy Pelosi also voted against the Iraq war and would make a fine president. But at this point anyone but the jokes at CPAC would be sufficient.

  127. Perhaps Tex you should have taught your daughter to be like her father and verbally abuse the guy who ran into her and threaten to have him hung. You are fucking ridiculous and need to grow up.

    That would be hanged. You might have hung a picture. Does anyone else get the sneaking suspicion this Ajax reads very similar in nature to Densico?

    Whiny √
    Ignorant √
    Pretentious √
    Turd √
    Disingenuous √
    Hypocrite √
    Traitor √
    Coward √
    Puppet √
    Rube √
    Dupe √
    Poorly Read √
    Weasel √
    Asshole √
    Mildly Retarded √
    Slug √

  128. Nancy Pelosi also voted against the Iraq war and would make a fine president.

    Yeah, it’s Prissy Densico. 😈 There can’t be two people on earth that stupid.

    Not even Rutherford, Curator, Graychin, or Flake was this nutty and ignorant.

  129. That is sad. 90% of that money does not go to charity.

    I can’t believe liberals are going to nominate her.

  130. Ajaxico, Pelosi? Look bring the argument or bring the abuse. You still haven’t said a damn thing and I assure you, Rutherford needs help here. He reads like Walter Russell Mead compared to you.

  131. Ah yes. Kennedy was cannonized. I knew you had it in you Rutherford.

    I am a pretty big fan of Marion Bary.

  132. The internet entity called Ajax is not Sensico.

    You guys forget the teen age stupidity of that one. I can tell just by the writing.

  133. A bit of RL history: “Densico” was actually Sensico, a college student who had her own blog and frequently commented here. A fav punching bag of many here, she was a tried and true liberal with the refreshing idealism that only the young can have. As a result she was considered “dense” by the resident know-it-alls. If Tex is going to insult a new patron he ought to at least explain the insult.

    BTW, Tex I’ve seen Ajax’s reading list. You’d be well warned not to challenge him on that front.

  134. Rabbit’s Freddie rap sheet got me thinking. If criminality is a common thread through a neighborhood and therefore a “new normal”, should it be any wonder that the rap sheet is irrelevant to the people there?

  135. BTW I’m watching Hardball and Chris Matthews is deliberately stoking discord because there will be no findings this week in the death of Freddie Gray. Matthews is “predicting” more riots.

    Gotta admit this is pretty disgusting.

  136. “BTW I’m watching Hardball and Chris Matthews is deliberately stoking discord because there will be no findings this week in the death of Freddie Gray. Matthews is “predicting” more riots.

    Gotta admit this is pretty disgusting.”

    2016 depends on it.

  137. “Yes Muffy, relevant and all the more damning. Dude was crying out in pain, was ignored, and then transported without seat belt. His basic human needs (perhaps based on that recent surgery) were ignored.

    It’s the same lame excuse made with Eric Garner “his health risks made his early death an inevitability”.”

    Damning of what? That they injured him and caused his death?

    He was trying to outrun the cops. If he has neck surgery a week prior to trying to outrun the cops then it’s not outside the realm of possibility that he caused his own death. He looks pretty wrecked in the little bit of video there is to see.

    “Domination is water under the bridge. At this point they’re an occupying army with blog host suffering from Stockholm syndrome.”

    Having just reread both G’s comment and your direct reply, I don’t know how anyone can come to the conclusion that you’re the put upon party and we’re the oh so rude crashers.

  138. we’re the oh so rude crashers.

    Naaah I’d never call you crashers. This is your party. You can’t crash your own party. I’m just the unlikely host.

    Every now and then I do feel put upon.

  139. Just as G was unaware of a crushed larynx I was not aware he tried to outrun the cops. Doing so right after neck and back surgery would be pretty stupid. Then again based on his rap sheet he probably was a stoner lacking any good judgment.

  140. “There is something profoundly wrong when African-American men are still far more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms than are meted out to their white counterparts,” Mrs. Clinton said in a forceful address Wednesday at Columbia University.

    Is that because they are black?

    “When we talk about one and a half million missing African-American men, we’re talking about missing husbands, missing fathers, missing brothers,” Mrs. Clinton said

    She wouldn’t be suggesting that the men would be home raising their kids otherwise, would she?

    I’m in favor of more leniency regarding youthful drug offenders, but if these “missing men” were missing on account of doing time for repeated drug offenses then they were “missing” before they were locked up.

  141. Rutherford, you have no clue about the realities of crack distrubtion.

    Do you think homeboy was an independent business man peacefully slinging marijuana to college kids? (trust me, it was crack or horse).

    Not how it works.

    But then again, that would take some interest in why young black men really die. And you ain’t interested and never have been.

  142. “Then again based on his rap sheet he probably was a stoner lacking any good judgment.”

    A stoner?

    *******Face palm.

  143. LOL Ahhh yes. I’ll have to ask Tex what HIS source is.

    You are getting to be a pretty poor fibber, Rutherford. You have told me on several occasions you read every word of every post. If so, I can add illiterate to your list of inadequacies.

    I just provided perhaps the most detailed report on record containing a breakdown of the Clinton Charity Tax returns. Look up, homie. 🙄

  144. I find myself reflecting tonight on Bush and Obama Derangement Syndrome. When you don’t trust someone EVERYTHING they say, including “the sky is blue” strains credibility. It’s why Obama can do no right by most of you.

    I had this epiphany while watching HRC deliver a speech on criminal justice. She was pushing all the right liberal buttons. Normally I would be cheering. But I just wasn’t getting that Matthews tingle. It’s not that I don’t buy what she’s selling. I just don’t buy the salesperson.

    And for the first time I think I got a real sense of how most of you view Obama. It’s all bullshit to you. And there’s no changing that. It’s visceral. I couldn’t pay you to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

  145. I’m in favor of more leniency regarding youthful drug offenders, but if these “missing men” were missing on account of doing time for repeated drug offenses then they were “missing” before they were locked up.

    Agreed.

  146. I just provided perhaps the most detailed report on record containing a breakdown of the Clinton Charity Tax returns. Look up, homie. 🙄 Missed it. I’ll go back and look again.

  147. Well….the distinction is pretty big.

    But, I think gang member selling crack is more accurate.

    You don’t have free reign to set up shop on a Baltimore street corner. And many have died to earn that corner.

  148. You guys forget the teen age stupidity of that one. I can tell just by the writing.

    Maybe, Bro. Rabbit. They’re all so dumb, they all “look” the same to me. 😈

    The quality of the writing of this one reads “poorly”…not only a self-identifying rube, but a poorly written rube. Hard to distinguish between youth and rank idiocy, I suppose.

    P.S. – Now being reported once again by the prisoner in route with Freddy Gray that Gray was trying to intentionally injure himself – * not the police, Rutherford. The prisoner in route with Gray.

    Just thought i necessary to repeat myself again, and again, and again to make sure there is no any disconnect.

  149. She was pushing all the right liberal buttons.

    Yeah. It’s called pandering, platitudes, and lying. And in a moment of introspection, you might reflect back to how obvious Barack Hussein Obama was pandering while making the most obnoxious of promises in about the Spring of 2008.

  150. “I need to read more on this guy. He was a gang member?”

    I haven’t read that anywhere. But I’m guessing he has to be. At least he is working for one.

    And it doesn’t have to be some nationally recognized gang, either.

    I’m willing to bet their influence in a city like Baltimore is minimal, though exaggerated.

    Smaller, local gangs. The ones that control the corners and kill to do so….

    When you see drug distribution charges in an urban area and then start to wax on about victimless crime, you make me sick.

  151. Real picture, Rabbit. While in medical school, I once saw large individual atoms in large graphic form and was amazed but nothing like this. I had no idea we’d come far enough to actually magnify to this degree.

    According to the source, the whole thing is smaller than the wavelength of visible light. Pretty cool, hey?

  152. I do have a problem with this:

    <

    blockquote> According to 2013 tax forms filed by the Clinton Foundation, a mere 80 percent of the organization’s expenditures were characterized as functional programmatic expenses. That’s a far cry from the 88 percent claimed by the organization just last week. 88% is not a “far cry” from 80%. Come on. One of the oddest sentences I’ve ever read.

    The other question I have which I didn’t see addressed in the article is how did the CGI compare to other foundations?

  153. The clumps of blue atoms are in the shape of a star and have symmetry. Weird.

    In fact, the yellow ones are symetrical too.

    Is that whole ball a molecule?

  154. Not a big baseball fan but anyone else see the images from the Orioles game with zero attendance? It serves as a surreal testimony

    Sad, isn’t it? Surreal is a good word.

  155. Not for nothing but one of the positions for when the police dog pile on a suspect one position is knee to between shoulder blades or base of neck. I’m not a fan of the placement. The bottom line is it is a trained method kind of thing. The cops will get dinged for the negligence but not the likely causative manoeuvre imo

  156. Is that whole ball a molecule?

    I usually think of a molecule as the smallest chemical bond in a compound. Say, like H20. This is actually a 3-D representation of the entire virus – a host of many, many molecules held together by chemical bonds.

    You can tell I’m already forgetting my basic chemistry, or at least the ability to explain it well. Getting old is getting rough.

  157. Alfie, we are placing our police (just we are placing our military) in an impossible position. In the long run, that may prove to be the most damaging aspect of all of this. The inner city is going to find themselves in the unenviable environment of the jungle if they keep making false accusation. Already happening in certain precincts of Chicago.

  158. I should have known it wasn’t a molecule.

    H2O. One atom of H, two of O.

    That ball has thousands of atoms.

  159. “Kennedy is an outlier. Hard to match the Kennedy family on immorality with any other political family, Dem or GOP.”

    The Clinton counterpart?

  160. Don’t be a martyr, Ajax. Instead of complaining, return fire. These people are pussy cats compared to some I’ve seen on other sites..

    For example, I waged war on a now defunct liberal message board with the help of another message board and a blog to circumvent the rules forbidding direct confrontation. . When they learned what I was doing, I collected 24 pages of condemnation in one day.

    i won’t attack you unless you attack me, but I’m sending a direct challenge for you to show us what you have. Rutherford needs your help.

  161. I’m a moron.

    {snicker} Far from it. You’re just not a chemist yet. Neither am I for that matter – but I do remember why the water molecule is bent at 104.5 degrees – the summation of 30 hours of chemistry learned.

    What a payback! LOL

  162. I infer that you’re going out of your way to find the alternative story that lets a police force with a spotty record off the hook. But to answer your question, if this is a trumped up rush to judgment then dammit, we’ve been fooled again and NO that’s not ok. Every time that happens it makes it harder for real abuse to be snuffed out.” – R

    “Just as G was unaware of a crushed larynx I was not aware he tried to outrun the cops. Doing so right after neck and back surgery would be pretty stupid. Then again based on his rap sheet he probably was a stoner lacking any good judgment.” – R

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

    The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

    Hmmmmmm, why would a black man in the back of a police van try to hurt himself? Could it be that we’ve conditioned a certain reaction? At this point, I’m beginning to believe that Gray, after witnessing the reactions to Brown, Martin, Gardner, etc, that he thought that his best course of action was to exploit that to his benefit. Plan failed when he experienced catastrophic success in hurting himself after recently having spinal and neck surgery.

    I just saw this:

    The Baltimore Police Department said Wednesday the results of its investigation into the Freddie Gray’s death will go directly to the State’s Attorney’s Office, not to the public.

    “We cannot release all of this information to the public because if there is a decision to charge in any event by the State’s Attorney’s Office, the integrity of that investigation has to be protected,” said Police Captain Eric Kowalczyk.

    I read this as, ‘the fucking moron killed himself and there was no evidence of police brutality, but if we say this, then the race baiting animals out there will try to burn down more of the city.

    I’m sorry R. I’m done. I have no reason to believe anything said by groups like #BlackLivesMatter, or Al Sharpton, etc, etc, etc. Credibility is gone.

    “The toughest thing about the power of trust is that it’s very difficult to build and very easy to destroy. The essence of trust building is to emphasize the similarities between you and [others].” – Thomas J. Watson

  163. I only took six hours of college freshman chemistry and many of my fellow students were home ec majors. I’d have to study hard to reach up to the moron level.

    I do know some water is heavier than other water, and some water is wetter than other water at 99% relative humidity V 45% at a certain temperature. It shows up on the windshield. A “dry” raindrop has air pockets as it partly evaporates. A wet one of equal size does not.

    Thanks Huck. Her charge and apology supports the fact that liberals tend not to like soldiers and veterans. Her criticism was especially stupid because most rioters and future rioters don’t join the Army. Most of these people have barely met soidiers. They are alien to them. it is politically correct to say good thing about soldiers and veterans and this woman apologized only because she got caught.

    Nancy Pelosi doesn’t especially like troops either. At least she didn’t during the debate over the Iraqi surge. She didn’t name it on the interview I watched, , but she argued in favor of the Slow Bleed and said Republicans who disagreed with her wanted to keep our troops in danger. Of course, she was the one who wanted the status quo to maintain the body count.

  164. Yes James. The imputed contempt from the right to soldiers is standard prog protocol. It’s the same contempt for the Baltimore police, which has them conflicted because the race issues are confused in the minority run city/department, that caused the dumb fucking CNN bitch to say what she did. It rolled right off her tongue. It’s a mindset.

  165. Poolman? You’re usually such a goober, I usually skip the videos. But not this one.

    That video you provided was wonderfully fascinating, and may have actually helped me answer a question I was contemplating the other day mowing my yard. I always do my deepest thinking mowing my yard. 🙂

    And that was how it didn’t make sense to me that our heart could generate the types of sustained pressure to push blood flow through every capillary in our body, and that my medical school physiologist had not answered that question to my satisfaction – probably because he didn’t know either.

    Truly neat video. Thanks for that.

  166. Glad you enjoyed it, Tex. I was concerned no one would view it as it is over 10 minutes. Probably good I didn’t post the other one as it’s an hour and a half but proves water quantum coherent.

  167. You know, Huck. I wish I could sincerely believe that woman’s apology. I cannot and will not. And the reason I am reasonably sure she is now backtracking is the fact that the thought had even entered the woman’s head. She had contemplated that conclusion long and hard before she opened her mouth.

    I predict any soldier worth his or her salt will summarily reject that apology as groveling. I know the woman is sorry. But I believe the real reason she is sorry she is having to go on national TV to make a fool of herself and apologize, just like that ESPN Barbie who had to apologize for mocking the attendant at the tow service as trash. Anybody not think ESPN Barbie thought she was a higher level of being?

    I am not saying the CNN gal may not have a measure of respect for our military. She may. I think guys like Rutherford have a degree of respect for the military. But the CNN bubblehead obviously believes she is a more intellectual, more capable deep thinker than these “rubes” coming back from the field who have seen war.

    Tigre is absolutely right. This is an arrogance that too many on the Left hold. That people willing to believe in God and country, or perhaps just the idea of liberty and freedom is something greater than themselves, and that they are a bunch of saps. Tell you something else. It’s the same opinion that most Leftists hold of Christians. We’re all uneducated dupes and pigeons to believe in a higher power.

    Did any of us here give one second of thought to these riots are in part because of angry military returning from action? Even a nanosecond? Simple mathematics tells you that could not be possible. What is the currently acting service of the aggregate U.S. population at this minute? 1%? 2% of the adult population of the United States?

    If every soldier who ever returned from Iraq or Afghanistan went stark raving mad simultaneously, it wouldn’t begin to explain the number of American cities that are blowing up into chaos.

    And I can only come to one conclusion. The vast majority of the people working at CNN and MSNBC, the NYTimes and WAPO, and everything in between are simply imbeciles – the real morons of our society. Not just confused, misguided or corrupt. Stupid.

  168. Honestly G, no racial agenda here, I find it hard to believe dude thrashed himself around the van to cause himself injury. Now granted, a drug addict doesn’t use my reasoning but still. Police admit he was not properly restrained. No eyewitness to self-thrashing, just testimony of equally incredible perp separated from Gray by a metal divider going on what he heard.

    Police already have a record of giving perps “rough rides”. Now that too may be manufactured bullshit but I can see jaded officers getting their kicks by giving perps a rough ride (rough him up without touching him).

    Your theory could be right about the delay in public disclosure. We will see. Too soon for me to toss Gray in the Brown category just yet.

  169. R, I’m with you that I find it improbable – but it is possible.

    You ever seen somebody so frustrated, they begin to bang their head on the floor or weird crap like that? I put my hand right through my youngest daughter’s bedroom closet one night and I was 38 years old, because it seemed the better alternative than to put my fist through her mouth which is what I really wanted to hit.

    People do crazy things when pushed to the point of ultimate frustration. And if this guy ran because he couldn’t take another day in jail, he could have snapped his neck. If that is true, then you can’t expect cops to be medical practitioners. They probably thought he was faking it to be difficult.

    I really think society has got to provide a measure of flexibility to these officers – without that, they basically become useless automatons.

  170. The key word in the CNN reporter is “dumb”. Nothing to do with some prog mindset. For every dumbass thing Brooke says I can find 3 things said on “Fox and Friends”.

  171. “The key word in the CNN reporter is “dumb”. Nothing to do with some prog mindset. For every dumbass thing Brooke says I can find 3 things said on “Fox and Friends”.”

    Well, let’s have an example. Veterans responsible for Baltimore is a narrative the left would LIKE to make. They need the right o be villainous and dangerous. It is a mindset.

    Anyway, I ain’t doubting you — well, actually I am — but what is the Fox and Friends blame-casting corollary you’re thinking about?

  172. p.s. where’s the crushed larynx info you keep referring to? I said all I could find was the family saying that. Is there something more to it?

  173. I always do my deepest thinking mowing my yard.

    The mower noise drowns out the noise in your head? Try buying a riding mower so you can blog while mowing. Might improve comment quality. 🙂

    Personally I prefer the quiet of the commode. My concentration is only interrupted by the occasional fart.

  174. Her apology doesn’t change anything except that she got caught, I once had the opportunity to spit in Jane Fonda’s face as we spoke, but I shook her hand instead.. If I met that broad, i would feel the same impulse.

  175. Tex, this is old news. You commented on a feminist earlier. Kyle Busch a NASCAR driver had his own problems. His girl friend charged him with domestic abuse and Kyle who already has a reputation for unfettered anger was suspended. As the trial progressed, he faced the possibility he would never race again.NASCAR is a big business, and they and sponsors didn’t want to be tainted with damaged goods. His brother Kurt was already out after a serious racing injury.

    Kyle’s ex allegedly said she would destroy him. She enlisted the help of a California representative to press the matter. Kyle won the case and was vindicated with a race victory on Sunday.

    This is a close race between brother Kurt and Ricky Craven. Kurt’s race injuries are still preventing him from racing.

  176. Rutherford, is this some of your family at the Green Acres Mall on Long Island? 😛

    Greeeeen Acres is the place to brawl
    Looooove some fightin’ at that shoppin’ mall
    Spaces close are so dam hard to find
    Beat tat ho if she tries to take what’s mine! *

    Seen on internet. LOL

  177. <‘blockquote>”The key word in the CNN reporter is “dumb”. Nothing to do with some prog mindset. For every dumbass thing Brooke says I can find 3 things said on “Fox and Friends”.”

    And the Todays Show, Good Morning America, and Spongebob Squarepants.

    You don’t seem to know the difference between a pundit – whose function it is to offer commentary and opinion – and a news anchor, which is what Ms Baldwin is supposed to be.

    Now if you think you can find an equivalent “dumbass thing”, much less 3 of them, said by Shepard Smith or Bret Baier or one of Fox’s other news anchors –

    Do it.

    Matter of fact, let’s make a slightly more appropriate comparison between one of Fox’s news anchors handling the pundits on Fox’s other newsertainment show – The Five, and CNN’s Chris Cuomo coddling his colleague. Poor baby girl we all make mistakes now there there dear.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/04/28/shepard-smith-the-racial-conscience-of-fox-news/

    Left wing blogger Wemple managed to indict Fox anyway by referring to Shepard as the “racial conscience” at Fox, but even low rent commentary such as this can’t deny the facts.

    “Folks took note, for example, when he brushed back “The Five’s” Eric Bolling, who wondered, Where are the civil rights leaders? Why aren’t they calling for calm? “I’m confident they’re all watching and will, on your instruction, do exactly that,” responded Smith. Greg Gutfeld asked where the parents were. “Well, you know, I’ve not been on the phone with them. But if we want to sit here and indict the civil rights community and indict the parents for what we’re watching right now, instead of for now, just covering what happens and then later talk about whose fault it is, because we don’t know whose fault it is,” responded Smith.”

    But this goes back to your inability to recognize the role the media and the party at large play in keeping politicians honest, to whatever degree that is possible.

  178. Two things to add. Prisoners do indeed attempt to injure themselves so as to cry “police brutality”,I’ve done the call,hell I’ve watched on cell tv the idiots doing it. I could go deeper about how cuffing techniques are meant to control folks from trying to bang themselves and others up.
    The second thing is that NYC is preparing to pretty much end its Broken Window policing secondary liberal guilt and black whining. The two richly deserve what they’re going to get.

  179. I can hear you (Rutherford) now pulling the same back handed indictment of Fox by calling Smith out as unique or doesn’t fit the Fox mold but the fact is your Fox mold is whacked if you think Fox’s right wing bias cancels out MSNBC. Fox barely cancels out the left wing bias at CNN considering the obvious mindsets of the various anchors. MSNBC is in a different league. Pure propaganda.

    I have noticed the protesters seem to watch as much Fox as you do. They’ve been putting on quite a show for the cameras. “Fox News Lies” has been replaced by the more eloquent roll off the tongue “Fuck Fox News.”

  180. Wagner deserves to be fired. Not because she might have hurt the feelings of veterans, but because her analysis is so fucking stupid.

    The left is like North Korea propaganda sometimes. They are so used to lying, they don’t have the capacity to put a check on it. Thus , Kim Jung Ill announces that he scored 19 on a 18 hole golf course and the world belly laughs.

    Military veterans burning Baltimore to the ground. Lol.

  181. I just watched the video of the beast beating the other woman in front of her kids over a parking spot. I am truly sickened.

    I’m reminded of the time a 13 year old Shanita Bryant smacked the hell out of an 11 year old me over and over again for…smiling. That’s right, seems I was laughing at her and was too shocked by her sudden appearance and accusation to respond that I hadn’t even noticed her until she walked up to me and started hitting me in the face.

    My littler friends were kept back by her bigger friends, just like the animal’s mate in the video was doing, though my girlfriends were too frightened to attempt much of a rescue anyway. Afterwards my friends insisted that had Shanita gotten me on the ground they would have risked a beating and stepped in. I remember not really knowing if I could trust in that promise or not, but mostly just not wanting to talk about it afterwards. I didn’t even tell my mom and haven’t to this day.

    Bet ole Huck likes that story.

    Years later when I was in my twenties and home from college for the summer I was reading the newspaper and saw Shanita’s obituary. I read maybe a dozen editions of the hometown newspaper all year and happened to catch ole Shanita’s obit.

    I gave the ugly mug in the picture one last smile.

  182. LOLOLOL “Obama “cant force pllice forces to retrain” nigga is u the president or nah?? ”

    I’m going to be laughing all afternoon. I had to stop reading the tweets before I laughed up my lunch.

    Damn how can you not love ignorant people if only for the entertainment value?

    But see? What I told Alfie is true. The brotha cannot win! Obama should never have been elected precisely because he is black. You’ll have to wait until December 2016 for my full post on the subject.

  183. Prove it…

    Not gonna waste my time finding clips. If you don’t think Steve Doofy er Doocey, Liz Hasselbeck (a dimwit if there ever was one – imported from the View) and Brian Kilmeade don’t have a history of whoppers behind them, you’re as stupid as they are.

  184. It was awful, Muffy. And by the way, I hope you’re feeling better. Your absence has been noticed, though I wouldn’t blame you for staying gone with Rutherford’s detail in bowel movements. Classy.

    And I actually didn’t laugh when I watched it. But I did laugh at the song. I mourned for the small child yelling, “Stop Mommy.”

    Would anybody in this room have ever see their mother conducting themselves like that? Even your father acting like some soulless, feral animal? Those kids should be yanked from that bitch of a breeder and every adult involved in that abomination not in a mini dress with their vulva hanging out, should be caned until they can’t walk for the worst form of child abuse. You damn right I mean it. 😡 I can virtually guarantee not a one of those black thugs was the father either – live in boyfriend, smokin’ weed, booty banging, lazy and shiftless, and not taking responsibility for a damn thing, but making excuses for everything. They disgust me. And sadly, those small children are tomorrow’s hoods.

    I’ve actually seen things like this go on in Tulsa on the wrong side of the tracks – the bangers smokin dope and the women, if you can call them that, walking around with their fat ass cheeks hanging out for view to entice the animals with their butt cracks exposed – all out in the parking lots they’ve trashed. And they’re all so brave when their in a mob. I’d rather watch dogs copulate.

    Would I have intervened? Doubtful unless instinct took over. Because the minute I did, four of those black bastards would have been jumping me and wouldn’t have stopped until they had beat me to death. Add to the fact, I would have had to knock that bitch into next week because she would attacked me like she did hussy – then I’d be labeled racist or misogynist.

    Believe me, I know the score with these sick assholes. They aren’t just idiots – their demons from hell. And if society had a lick of sense no matter the color of your skin, we’d start treating them as such.

  185. “Obama should never have been elected precisely because he is black.”

    Obama should never have been elected because he’s not qualified to be president. A black that was qualified to lead and not just qualified to be black was what was needed.

    You got what you voted for.

    Yes We Can!

  186. then I’d be labeled racist or misogynist.

    I might sympathize if you hadn’t actually used “black” to describe the folks in the video. Their race should be irrelevant. The behavior should be condemned regardless of race.

  187. Their race should be irrelevant.

    Your denial of the obvious is noted, common denominator notwithstanding. Sometimes you remind me of Tavis Smiley – so close to the truth, and yet so far. A shame, because the two of you could be peacemaker – if it weren’t for your own weakness in denial.

    Rutherford, I’ve dealt virtually every race, creed, color on earth in some capacity. Native Americans, Mexicans, South Americans, Haitians, Nigerians, Latinos, Asians of all persuasions, Jews, Eastern bloc Europeans – even Muslims probably to more of a degree than you have. Black faces, white face, red faces, yellow faces.

    And there’s only one demographic on earth I’ve ever feuded with to any degree and mistrust to a great degree other than worthless white Libs – good, old Black Americans with the racist chip on their shoulder. And white Libs have never physically threatened me.

    In this discussion, race means just about everything.

  188. “Their race should be irrelevant.”

    Yeah, but it isn’t.

    The behavior should be condemned regardless of race.

    Yeah, but it isn’t.

  189. Rutherford and I first met on a blog about six years at a place called Chenzhen. He was more arrogant and more proud then – but still a mindless dupe. For kicks, I went there a few minutes ago to reminisce and perhaps to see him holding his small penis between his thumb and pinky.

    More enduring prescient of ‘The Rutherford’:

    I often noticed a common characteristic of libs is the inability to differentiate style from substance.

    I grant Obama, with the aid of speechwriters and teleprompters is very good in delivery. George Bush during his addresses to the nation was also good in this capacity, and personally thought his speech immediately after 9/11 was one of the best ever written and delivered. He was never given proper credit for that.

    Bush, unlike Obama, was not good when trying to make nice and ad lib and it was painful to listen and watch. For the camera, Obama does share some of the same characteristic of Reagan in projecting ability to be in control. No doubt, Obama is cool to those I perceive as weak-minded.

    Time will tell if Obama can deliver on his promises. I predict the future will show that Obama not near the “intellect” some here dream him to be (if he was, he would release his academic records and closely guarded secrets); he is a fixture of the politically correct and that ruse will wear thin; that while self-confident, Obama is also incredibly arrogant and opportunistic for self, and that he will prove to be a weak and ineffective leader with his cabinet necessary to make the difficult decisions.

    This brouhaha of being Lincoln is retching and disgusting. While Lincoln one of our greatest Presidents, Obama’s only real accomplishment is to get elected – his record in Illinois as Jr. Senator a blank piece of paper. If I could make a few predictions, with the assistance of our corrupted media America will feel good about itself for the man of “hope and change” for a time and many will be fooled. Things will seem to get better with the stock marketing making a small recovery of which Obama will take credit, but Obama policies will have little or nothing to do with it and in fact, will hurt the economy long-term with burdensome regulation and draconian taxes.

    But in the end, Obama will prove disastrous for our country, libs will fail to understand that nor ever admit to that because it would force them to face they are inadequate in the own personal missions, and we will be weakened to the point of becoming no longer the world’s only superpower very shortly.

    Europe will cheer at our new “kindness”, but behind close doors recognize that we are no longer capable which in turn will cost Europe dearly. They will have earned their beat down and this time I hope most Americans say no when asked for our sacrifices. by Tex Taylor January 18, 2009 at 11:04 am

    What a pleasure it will be to look back a few years from now and watch Tex etal. eat their words. The beautiful thing about the Obama administration is that they cannot do worse than Bush. It is a physical, scientific impossibility.

    And now I shall shamelessly blog-pimp. My assessment of our 43rd President. by Rutherford January 18, 2009 at 10:34 pm

  190. “Bet ole Huck likes that story.”

    What the fuck?…..

    You’ve got some serious narcissism going on if you think I give 2 shits about your childhood ass-beating. You think I’ve never taken an ass-beating? You think everyone here hasn’t?

    Get the fuck over yourself, sweetie

  191. Sorry Huck. I know you like to be the one taking the potshots out of the blue. Don’t know what came over me.

  192. Ahhh Tex the memories of our ChenZhen days when you called me Rutherturd and wished me dead. Good times.

    Just a clarification. You were hoping to find Chen holding his small penis? I assumed he abandoned that place long ago.

    While I owe him for giving me more exposure and welcoming me into the WPPBA, quite frankly I always found his blog favored style over substance. That gravatar substitution routine being exhibit A. I also found his love for warring blogs and blog-hacking to be a bit juvenile. (Of course he was a good 20 years younger). But worst of all when Obama got elected he ran for the hills as did every lib blogger in the WPPBA except me.

  193. That’s the Obama logo being pulled away, not the stars and stripes.

    😆 😆 He’s not my most observant comrade. Rutherford, you blockhead. Ajax probably will be disappointed, though.

  194. I do give you one thing, Rutherford. You’re right about sticking through thick and thin – and it’s been virtually all thin except the big win and Bin Laden. I would tell you, “Told you So” about right now, but there is no need.

    However, kudos for at least having the guts to hang with the louse. You’ve never gone absent except in sickness. General Chenzhen proved a real wimp, as have most of the gutless Left.

  195. If the Baltimore Orgy could get anymore voyeuristic and vulgar, apparently this clown is now interrupting all the cable broadcast women with this – the first dolt is just the lead in. The man himself is gross, but some of the anchor women expressions behind the desk are priceless.

  196. Don’t know about you guys and gal(s), but I’m Baltimored out. Can’t turn on the TV without hearing some illiterate thug bellowing Black ‘Lies’ Matter, or some Geraldo type turning the event into his own spectacle, or some screaming debate between New Black Panther and too white to be black type. I turned it on four different talking head shows tonight, and it was the same song, different tune.

    Boring as hell.

  197. I don’t “take potshots out of the blue”. What I do is just have my say and walk away. But my say is relevant to the discussion at hand and is usually instigated.

    I don’t know what your problem is, but I’m starting to get the idea that you probably had that ass-beating coming. (see, that’s how its done, sweetie)

    And I’m outta here…..

  198. Rutherford, feel free to add “sweetie” to your filter. We wouldn’t want anyone to get offended by the way I choose to express myself.

  199. BALTIMORE, Md. (WJLA) – An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

    The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report tuned over to prosecutors on Thursday as well as preliminary findings made by the medical examiner’s office.

    Sources said the medical examiner found Gray’s catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

    Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was result of some other action.

    So ultimately, Gray deserves a Darwin Award…

  200. I was bored when the story broke it sounded familiar. Yes, Gray like the others deserves a Darwin Award. He was as stupid as the two race drivers would have been had they been texting before the race.

    Killing a man with your bare hands is a thrill much better than with a fire arm, I’m told.

  201. Rutherford, your good friend Ajaxico sure proved his worth. He came her, called us assholes, you an idiot, then disappeared. Must be the life of the party.

    Figured out any Republican counterparts to the Clintons yet?

  202. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was result of some other action.

    The definition of inconclusive just like the WAPO article I posted yesterday.

  203. I thought he had a crushed larynx, R.

    There was another prisoner on the van, so whether the speed up and slam the breaks on routine could have caused has a witness (I suppose).

    So too with a paddy wagon beat down.

    Under civil law, there is a doctrine known as res ipsa loquitur, the principal of which I belive in large part should apply to prisoners in custody. It’s Latin for “the thing speaks for itself,” a doctrine of law that one is presumed to be negligent if he (it) had exclusive control of whatever caused the injury even though there is no specific evidence of an act of negligence, and without negligence the accident would not have happened. In other words, when you take someone into custody, the absence of evidence as to how the injuries occurred ain’t a defense to liability (a presumption of liability).

    NOTE: I am making a point, not arguing the doctrine applies — because it doesn’t. We are talking about a criminal matter at this point not a negligence suit against the city. I’m just saying the cops’ story needs to be good, and I am beginning to suspect that it is better than it appears at first blush.

    Unless. . . there’s a crushed larynx caused by something other than snapping your own neck . 😆

  204. Man, that Bruce Jenner story is strange. LOL. It’s almost hard to believe that I watched this guy 40 years ago win the decathlon and appear on Wheatie’s boxes. Now he looks like a shrew librarian on a tabloid. Not the way to go out.

    This world is hopeless screwed up – but while circling the toilet, it does provide a few laughs.

  205. The entire damn city of Baltimore deserves A Darwin Award. I hope its extinction can come quickly while $harpton is there – the earth open up and swallow the whole lot of them, then close like a Stephen Spielberg movie.

    Rutherford? Question? Why do any members of the black community not associated with the jungle (those that are profoundly ignorant and racist) still associate with the dregs like $harpton? I got the impression recently even Black America had figured out $harpton is a POS.

    Doesn’t this moron for Baltimore mayor realize that $harpto is like a flashing red light of guilt and neglect hiding behind hustler and that makes her look not only incompetent (she is) but a coward?

  206. I’ve been told through the grapevine Rutherford in a younger day was once a pygmy cannibal that was damn accurate with a dart, and enjoyed collecting shrunken heads while he chowed rump roast. 😀

  207. Muffy, first thanks for sharing a personal moment. You don’t tend to do that.

    Forasmuch as you put it out there, why did two grown women fighting remind you of a 13 year old beating up an 11 year old? Shanita was black and you were white? Simple as that?

    Everyone here really should watch American Crime on ABC. John Ridley has created 3 dimensional characters and hasn’t oversimplified the tensions that surround crime in this country. Felicity Huffman plays a woman whose son was murdered. She really considers herself fair minded but her experiences with blacks have not been positive and it colors her outlook.

    Muffy, your anecdote reminded me of the Huffman character. I’m truly sorry that at an impressionable age, you had such a nasty encounter with a girl who happened to be black (and ignorant). Honest question, since you still remember it to this day, do you think it effects your view of blacks?

    P.S. I’m talking to Muffy. The rest of you STFU and let her answer the question if she chooses to.

  208. Did kill a man in with my bare hands but I never got my ass beat.

    More Ebonics. WTF? You killed a man with your bare hands? I don’t think you type on your phone with your bare hands. 🙂

  209. I think the break your own neck deliberately notion is patently ridiculous. Could he have been trying to escape a moving vehicle and slammed himself accidentally? That sounds more plausible. Either way, would never have happened if he were properly restrained which the cops themselves admitted he was not.

    The other guy in the van was not in the same compartment as Freddie. In fact, Donta (pronounced Dontay 🙄 ) is already backing away from his original story.

    News reports today say the van made an extra, so far unexplained, stop that the cops did not divulge. The stop was caught on supermarket video tape.

    Gang, we NEED a surveillance state cos too many folks be lyin’.

  210. This just in from WAPO:

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    blockquote> BREAKING NEWS: Freddie Gray’s death has been ruled a homicide and there is probable cause to file criminal charges, Baltimore prosecutor Marilyn Mosby said. Take it for what it’s worth. I’m sure many of you think it’s a political move to avoid weekend riots.

  211. Scott Creighton has a post with updates that detail the goings on with Gray and Baltimore. There is no reason to believe ANYTHING the msm reports, since they exist to provoke and misinform. The whole enchilada is suspect and being played out to further divide and inflame the races. On purpose. Same familiar pattern. Why change what works?

    https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/freddie-grey-updates-secret-witness-says-i-didnt-hear-nothing-internet-trolls-feeding-racial-divide/

    Events like these things seem to be contributing in a preliminary way to bring us to the next phase of government takeover action scheduled this summer and called Jade Helm 15. Of course those who still think these mobsters have our best interest in mind will continue to aid and abet them.

    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/turning_america_into_a_battlefield_a_blueprint_for_locking_down_the_na

    I have read the both extremes and many falling in between regarding the event. Of course the government says it is basically tame and meaningless. Nothing to see here…

  212. “More Ebonics. WTF? You killed a man with your bare hands? I don’t think you type on your phone with your bare hands.”

    I no longer do. I use the dictation function and it’s a hassle to correct so you get what you get. I’m not Tex, and you said you can sort these things. Just like the fact that you said something about CNN and Fox being the same in the weird reporter blame politically-driven blame department, was called out, had nothing to offer, was called out again — then pretended you couldn’t make out my “Ebonics.”

    So, got any proof of what you said of any kind or are you gonna be a punk? No video required. Something anecdotal will suffice.

    As for killing, it’s my business. And business is good.

    p.s. not going to STFU. Your confusion over what Muffy said looks a lot like your oft-used lame deliberate ignorance. Even someone like yourself should be able to understand the situation of being selected, unprepared, encircled, beat down, with onlookers prevented from helping by the rabid pack of cheerleaders. If you go on the one of your misplaced racial analyses, I’ll kill you with my bare hands for the sake of humaity too.

  213. Tex besides being a religious bigot, the only other thing I have trouble getting my arms around is transsexuals. I would never discriminate against one but DAMN I really don’t get it.

    I remember about 30 years ago I read a letter to MAD Magazine from a guy who said he was a horse born in a human body and he sent in a picture of a horse.

  214. More Ebonics. WTF? You killed a man with your bare hands? I don’t think you type on your phone with your bare hands. 🙂

    You’ve officially moved from blockhead to dummy. You used to be able to pick up on humor. I think you’re suffering from acute Baltimore Barack fatigue. My prognosis would be to vote Republican from here on out and get your mojo back.

  215. “I’m sure many of you think it’s a political move to avoid weekend riots.”

    I’m sure many of us think it means no more and no less than other charges brought in recent times.

  216. Tigre: serious question. Can a cop arrest me for simply running away from him if he hadn’t already approached me? In other words, I see a cop who does not see me. I get scared (for whatever reason) and I start running. Cop sees me start running. Is that enough for him to pursue me?

  217. But I do retract my prior statement that, “I’m just saying the cops’ story needs to be good, and I am beginning to suspect that it is better than it appears at first blush.”

    I am going to see what MSNBC is saying and count on the opposite being the truth.

  218. That’s not what happened here though. Gray made eye contact, and then ran, which seems suspicious as hell.

    This boils down to, it seems based on her press conference, they didn’t buckle him up, and so they’re liable based on that. If he didn’t intentionally hurt himself, then it sounds like the damage was caused by him sliding on the floor into compartment wall? Regardless, she’s pressing every charge she can so if one fails to convict, there’s a dozen others that likely will.

  219. “Can a cop arrest me for simply running away from him if he hadn’t already approached me?”

    Well yeas and no.

    No, he can’t “arrest you” without probable cause.

    Yes, unprovoked running away could provide the “reasonable suspicion” that would authorize a cop briefly detain for investigatory purposes.

  220. I’m sure many of us think it means no more and no less than other charges brought in recent times.

    That’s a passive aggressive comment if there ever was one.

  221. It will be real interesting to see what substances are found in Gray’s pathology profile. I’ll bet a donut Gray was flying high on Flakka or some other synthetic substance that makes the savages run around naked and bay at the moon carrying machetes and stuff.

  222. “. . . they didn’t buckle him up, and so they’re liable based on that.”

    Back to my earlier point. Perhaps “liable” (civil), but not “guilty” (criminal) of murder or manslaughter. They’re different things.

  223. “Tigre I asked to let Muffy speak for herself because I could see your chivalric self coming from a mile away.”

    Yet you never see when I am just pointing out the clash between life experience meets the brick wall of Rutherford’s lack thereof. Strange.

  224. Perhaps “liable” (civil), but not “guilty” (criminal) of murder or manslaughter. They’re different things.

    Tigre you lost me. Isn’t negligent homicide, homicide without intent but through negligence? Thats still criminal.

  225. Damn Tex you ARE hip. I only just heard “sis-gender” for the first time this week.

    I think Facebook has about fifty orientation identifications.

  226. “No, he can’t “arrest you” without probable cause.”

    I can’t confirm this, but I would bet money the guy was on probation or even parole.

    If that’s the case, pretty sure no probable cause is needed.

    Cops already knew who he was.

  227. If there is any proof that they purposely gave him a rough ride, maybe in response to his banging around in the back, the driver is fucked.

  228. “If that’s the case, pretty sure no probable cause is needed.”

    Stated more accurately, that could itself be probable cause (it doesn’t need to be probable cause of the crime charged, just probable cause of a crime, such as probation violation).

  229. Mmm so Tigre let’s see. A pudgy redheaded guy bullied me all through junior high (true story) so now I see all pudgy redheads as bullies?

    My question to Muffy involves what does our life experience teach us. How does it effect our prejudices? And does it JUSTIFY our prejudices? Since Muffy is as much a drop in as Huck is accused of being, she probably will never see this discussion anyway.

  230. “If there is any proof that they purposely gave him a rough ride, maybe in response to his banging around in the back, the driver is fucked.”

    That’s what I was wondering. I thought the other passenger/detainee would be the key to that, and I thought he said the dude was pounding into the sides on purpose.

  231. “A pudgy redheaded guy bullied me all through junior high (true story) so now I see all pudgy redheads as bullies?”

    Huh?

  232. “My question to Muffy involves what does our life experience teach us.”

    As with nearly everyone lese, my life experience told me you’re using your feigned obviousness to go in the very direction you just proved you are.

    Look out for those Gingers. I believe whatever that pudgy fuck did was similar to Tex’s video in that it. . . well. . . oh look, a squirrel. 🙄

  233. Donta 🙄 said when he got in the van it was quiet. Then he heard a light banging sound during his part of the ride. At the next stop Gray was unresponsive. Remember Donta was not in the van for the entire Gray ride so he can’t testify to anything prior to his getting on board.

    Again, this boils down to believing what you want to believe. If the citizen stories of a history of rough rides is bullshit then maybe the officers stand a chance of acquittal.

    Tigre the Baltimore force reminds me of the fictional Philly force on Better Call Saul where Mike says corruption was just a way of life. You didn’t question it.

  234. In the case of parole, I thought that they. can search you anytime they feel like it.

    In fact, I thought probation was the same (if they already identified you).

  235. Huh?

    I gotta draw another picture. I asked Muffy if Shanita being black (I assume) reminded her of the ignorant parking lot lady … because SHE also was black whupping a white woman’s ass.

    P.S. Not for nothing but the video starts in the middle of the fight. Do we KNOW the other woman didn’t have an ass whupping coming to her?

  236. “Tigre you lost me. Isn’t negligent homicide, homicide without intent but through negligence? Thats still criminal.”

    No. Different burdens of proof, different elements, different standards of negligence. Civil standard for “liability” (paying $$), generally requires 4 elements: duty, breach, causation, damages. Criminal statutes provide what is required, but the negligence has usually got to rise to a level of reckless disregard of the very consequences suffered.

    This doesn’t meet that it isn’t both.

    And I hate that I’m typing through this again. I gave you a lot of good shot on this with Zimmerman and you’re essentially asking the same questions again.

  237. Look out for those Gingers. I believe whatever that pudgy fuck did was similar to Tex’s video in that it. . . well. . . oh look, a squirrel. 🙄

    LOL I must be in a good mood today because your stupidity is really cracking me up.

  238. “Tigre the Baltimore force reminds me of the fictional Philly force on Better Call Saul where Mike says corruption was just a way of life. You didn’t question it.”

    Remember where I grew up? I’m no fool.

    And I believe no one on what happened.

    If it makes you feel better, just assume I agree with whatever you WANT to believe. My take on the circus and the left’s culpability for the looting and rioting and damage to race relations etc. will remain unchanged.

  239. Zimmerman a crazy ass vigilante compared to cops? I’m supposed to draw conclusions from one to another? Zimmerman was not “doing his duty”.

    Anyway, IF the cops are guilty I hope they get jail time and a healthy lawsuit.

    Body cams goddammit!!!!

    P.S. Sanders 2016!
    P.P.S. Better yet- Cory Booker 2016!

  240. My take on the circus and the left’s culpability for the looting and rioting and damage to race relations etc. will remain unchanged.

    Change “the left” to “the media” and I agree completely.

  241. You’re shadow boxing on the Muffy experience. Everybody gets your obvious direction. I might be dumb but I’m not stupid.

    Oh, and sorry for the trauma you must face everyday when encountering pudgy redheads. Seems like they’re everywhere and with all of the other societal factors you’re leading into, a great analogy! 🙄

    Carry on with Muffy. I’ve already called you out.

  242. “Zimmerman a crazy ass vigilante compared to cops?”

    Duh, yeah. We went through the differences between murder, manslaughter, civil, criminal etc. etc. etc. Remember the charges?

  243. That lady in the parking lot was also black, if you’re talking about the Green Acres brawl: A lighter shad of pale black.

    “sis-gender”

    Are you correcting me, Peter Pan? If so, it’s “cis” goonbah.

    cis-gender: denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity conforms with the gender that corresponds to their biological sex; not transgender.

    I’m going to have to get you out on the town more. 🙂

  244. Twana Morel and Latoya Friday . Does that read like a couple of blond surfer girls?

    How did your mother, Angela Davis, ever come up with your CHRISTIAN name, Rutherford? Your name is 1,000,000 times more CHRISTIAN than my name. LOL. We thought that was pretty funny, didn’t we?

  245. LOL Tex I really wasn’t correcting you although I thought my spelling was right. Clearly as I said, I’m not hip. 🙂

    Beat chick looked white to me but you could be right. We come in all colors of the rainbow. I’m living proof.

  246. Here’s a couple of the new cadre of young, Obama rube, dimwits from the Left, warning their classmates of the dangers of an “anti-feminist” feminist Christina Hoff Summers – seems Christina doesn’t hate men. I can’t even keep up with the political correctness now, trigger warnings and decompressing and stuff. See if you can figure out what language they are speaking: 😆

    Wonder how much their parents are paying at Oberlin for this experience.

  247. Why the FUCK is Trayvon Martin’s family landing in Baltimore later today?

    :lol; The farce is now complete. 😆

    Probably because they’ve got nothing better to do and the plane ride was free. 😀

  248. ”Tigre I asked to let Muffy speak for herself because I could see your chivalric self coming from a mile away.”

    And here I thought you could see the rabid cheerleaders Poolman, Huck, et al coming from a mile away.

    ”I gotta draw another picture. I asked Muffy if Shanita being black (I assume) reminded her of the ignorant parking lot lady … because SHE also was black whupping a white woman’s ass.

    P.S. Not for nothing but the video starts in the middle of the fight. Do we KNOW the other woman didn’t have an ass whupping coming to her?”

    That last remark says more about you than me or the woman being beaten in the video.

    The fatass preventing onlookers from helping the woman being beaten was what struck the chord with me more so than the fatass beating the woman. I’m sure that’s why ole Huck popped into my head as I wrote about Shanita.

  249. Mmm Muffy are you suggesting Huck lets folks get attacked? I’m honestly confused by your comment. Do you have Huck confused with Parker? I don’t recall gratuitous attacks from Huck against you.

    My comment about the video was NOT a suggestion that you deserved an ass whupping back in the day. I take your account at face value … you were minding your own business and an older bully attacked you. It doesn’t change my questions to you. I didn’t ask them for a fight. I’m curious where your head is at.

  250. Muffy I don’t like bullies and I’m honestly sad no one came to your defense. My daughter is 11 and I’d be livid if I discovered she was bullied.

  251. “Mmm Muffy are you suggesting Huck lets folks get attacked?”

    Mmm no I’m suggesting Huck reminds me of the fatass baby daddy in the video.

    I think black women must own the parking spots because of slavery. I’ve had two black women aggressively claim a parking spot I was waiting for. I kid you not.

  252. “It doesn’t change my questions to you. I didn’t ask them for a fight. I’m curious where your head is at.”

    And initially I took your response at face value too. Now I’m not so sure, hence the above flippancy.

    “Honest question, since you still remember it to this day, do you think it effects your view of blacks?”

    I think idiosyncratic events such as that shape an individual’s views as much as environment, biology, family, and social situation.

    I can tell you that my positive experiences and observations with black individuals far outweigh the negatives. It’s when they mob up that I get defensive, and no that’s not strictly a black thing. I can only tell you that I deliberately go into black neighborhood grocery stores and pharmacies and I think I do that to shore up the positive experiences. I can tell you that most black folks are just trying to live their lives and smiling at them always brings a bigger smile in return.

    I can also tell you that of the few white women I know who’ve taken a punch from another woman, that other woman was black. Huck’s wrong that everyone has taken a beating. You haven’t. Most women over 40 haven’t. More girls in today’s world unfortunately have.

    I can tell you that the beating I took rarely comes to mind and it’s always something of a surprise to learn that it still stings.

  253. Thanks for the answer. I don’t know you but I get the sense you’ve got a lot of compassion and you’ve thought deeply about the world in which you find yourself.

    This is not a good forum for that to come through on a regular basis. It’s not a good forum for any of us. We’re all cartoon characters.

  254. Regarding the Oberlin video — I went to college over 30 years ago and I don’t remember that kind of crazy talk going on back then. “Place to decompress after the event”. If this doesn’t go back to normal in 7 years I’m sending my kid to a Canadian college.

  255. My experience was that my one child at Texas A&M (great school, by the way) had a far more normal college experience than my youngest at TU – a small, somewhat prestigious, private university. Perhaps it’s a private school “thang.”

    By the way, if you were to ask me to rate the two, I thought A&M the far better school too. Something to “thank” about when you send buttercup to college, old friend. Might save yourself thousands – no exaggeration.

  256. “I do feel post-riot that Baltimore has behaved with more dignity than Ferguson. Maybe that’s a low bar.”

    I’m inclined to take this further and say the charges are the best thing that could have happened for the country.

    And you laugh when I refer to myself as an idealist.

    Of course I’ll lose you again when I continue with wondering if there may be forces greater than ourselves at work here. And I don’t mean government.

  257. Pudgy redheads?” I take exception el Tigre to your micro aggression against members of my family. Moreover, my family is not pudgy.

    We cannot know if the police officers blamed the other, but from my experience they probably didn’t shift blame. College security and the police questioned about ten others and me for our part in an elaborate panty raid and for malicious mischief against the police when I was a college freshman. We all had our coordinated our stories and alibies ahead of time, and no one talked. The only man who suffered was the one who crashed into the dorm mother after she escaped from her apartment. The girls had wired and taped her door shut.

    That and other experiences taught me a lot about behavior with the law and convinced me the Clintons and others also knew the power of silence and hidden evidence..

  258. Charges may be the best thing for our country, but apparent conflicts of interest need to be addressed. Otherwise, any verdict will not be accepted by many as with OJ Simpson’s.

  259. My ass beating, and it was bad…real bad…required surgery…was the best thing that ever happened to me and I deserved it.

    Its top five most influential and important things that I’ve ever experienced.

    Thank you lumber jack in Northern California. I needed that.

  260. As we know, the effects of bullying can remain at some level until we die.
    Kerli was a survivor of bullying and abuse. She nearly killed herself and retreated into an imaginary world to survive. Later, she moved from Estonia to Los Angeles.

    “I’m really grateful for all of these experiences because I believe that until you are absorbed by darkness you can’t overcome it and face the light.”

  261. “Charges may be the best thing for our country, but apparent conflicts of interest need to be addressed.”

    Well I was speaking prematurely anyway but on the conflicts of interest talk be careful what you wish for. Change of venue seems like a good idea but maybe Mosby’s the one we want prosecuting this.

  262. “What I think the people of Baltimore want more than anything else is the truth,”-President Barack H Obama
    I sincerely doubt that to be true.

    Marilyn Mosby is firing the next round in the turmoil that will see Baltimore burn some more. I find the sureness she has projected outwards to the public,most specifically the thugs of the Baltimore metro,is specious and dangerous. I also question much like with Slager in SC whether the officers are at risk of their due process rights being trampled.
    And last but by no means least….gingers suck!

  263. “What I think the people of Baltimore want more than anything else is the truth,”-President Barack H Obama
    I sincerely doubt that to be true.” –

    Does it count as a lie if everybody in the country knows its a lie including the liar?

  264. Of course I’ll lose you again when I continue with wondering if there may be forces greater than ourselves at work here. And I don’t mean government.

    I’m curious which forces?

  265. Alfie, in this day and age everyone’s due process rights are at risk. Everything is tried in the court of public opinion before a jury ever sees it. I think you overemphasize this both here and in SC.

    As for future riots, they want the cops in jail. The arrests will satiate them but a not guilty verdict from a jury will anger them all over again.

  266. The mayor basically called the cops racist today. Sheeeut!!! That might not be smart.

    As for the FOP, they should support their guys behind the scenes and otherwise keep their mouths shut. There needs to be healing between the cops and the community.

  267. Its still a lie, rabbit.

    i also think a change in venue is necessary, though I am not a lawyer.

    I also agree with Alfie and his joke amuses me.

    The mayor of Ankara and a State department official, Marie Harf have been arguing about the harsh treatment of protesters in Ankara. He wrote “You were saying the Turkish police is using disproportionate force. Where are you now, dumb blonde?”

    John Bass, the US Ambassador to Turkey posted a picture of himself with his hair digitally altered to look reddish blonde and wrote #American diplomats;We’re all blonde” in English and Turkish. CNN US News.

    Its interesting that many foreigners know more of events in the US than many of us do, but with the exchange, WHAT…?

  268. “I’m curious which forces?”

    Actually I’m not sure what to call it but I think we need to see how this looks going through the American justice system today. I’m hoping the jury is all black. I’m hoping the defense attorneys are black. Of course the judge. And Ms Mosby herself to try it.

  269. “Does it count as a lie if everybody in the country knows its a lie including the liar?”

    I don’t think so. I think they think it’s fair play to lie and anyone disturbed by the lie doesn’t count.

  270. “Alfie, in this day and age everyone’s due process rights are at risk”. 

    Because of you, Rutherford. And your ignorant mob that your favorite politicians rile up while attempting to tap into their energy.

    Instant justice is by definition a lynch mob.

    I’m not being bombastic here, mark my words, one day your ignorant mob will go too far and awaken a sleeping giant that could be your neighbor, your blog buddy or your kid’s teacher.

    You think the brainless lemurs are scary?

  271. Man, I just saw the replays of the Baltimore charges. Is it justice if it clearly caters to the mob with the racist tinge? I thought that is what blacks had tried so hard to escape? What a travesty. Like To Kill a Mockingbird with the roles reversed.

    And many people are under the illusion violence doesn’t work? Worse, blacks are looking at this as payback? Are you kidding me? They’re cutting off their nose to spite their face.

    I often wonder if most blacks realized how much the last 20 years, they have swung opinions by indulging in their own insidious racism – even denying they can be racist. So many of their leaders have become so ludicrous to invite nothing but scorn and contempt.

    The verdict in the O.J. trial is when I first begin to notice opinions move from a measure of sincere regret to indifference. During the reign of Obama, the opinions have in large part changed from indifference to disgust. The only change in belief that really remains is from disgust to disdain – and days like today move it quickly in that direction. When it gets to disdain, we will have come full circle as a nation in probably less than 60 years.

    I don’t think it will ever be like Jim Crow. I think it will be more like complete abandonment and isolation, where whites have simply had enough of blacks, the historical grievances ring hollow, and whites will no longer will be willing to even engage, working to quietly insure a wall of separation that even the federal government cannot breach.

    Do blacks not understand their only direction is down if they don’t radically change their morality? They’re not empowering themselves – they are destroying themselves. Our first black President was an experiment. Obama has done more in seven years to destroy trust than a thousand Al Sharptons have done in 40 years.

    I see a very dark day for Black America coming. And there will be no sympathies on my part. There comes a time to cut the apron strings – we are 30 years past that.

  272. In less then 24 hours, the prosecutor was able to sift through it all and charge 5 officers. All of this in the middle of local insanity.

    A pathetic lynching.

  273. TMZ is the libs fault too
    What kind of cheap deflection is that? I don’t know if you meant it to be so but R I have to tell you that comment reeks of EXACTLY what Rabbit is on about.
    The incidents in Baltimore ARE NOT SOMETHING to be passed aside as over with, any more than they are to be framed as a mere pop phenomenon . Thats one of the things that pissed me off about Mosbys press announcement. “This is your moment…”
    Thats related to something that has been bugging me and that I’ve been trying to post on @ my place. This new era of faux neo romantics who view Ferguson and Baltimore as akin to Selma or Birmingham. There is a line between noble & justified defiance and the fucking “give me mines” gang.

    Tex is spot on about violence which is very much related to a conversation others are trying to have about the Lefts intolerance. Violence gets results and the Left accepts and embraces this truth of human nature. It works especially well where the Left is not only the cause of the violence but the controller of concession as well. Threaten,Scream, pout and whine and just like a bad toddler/parent relation baby gets what he wants.
    There have been a few encouraging points where the lefties stood their ground for common sense in the end but those fights are only to return I’m sure. (NYU some years ago and UC recently) Still the paradigm shifting micro-aggression culture on campuses has trumped the culture behind the victories of common sense and law.

    On a lesser note don’t even get me started on the thugs thing. Derived from the Indian (India folks) thuggees . The rioters of the inner city environment are totally in sync and worthy the of the tag. I won’t get into how the US black culture is the one that embraced the word for themselves first….whoops guess I did.

  274. This has happened before. CNN reported that blacks singled Asian businesses for destruction and spared black businesses. Those blacks have proven themselves to be racists again. All of this IS the left’s fault, not the right’s. Soon, Hispanics will become the favored minority, and they tend to have better values than the urban blacks.

    Democrats and Republicans will be fighting for their votes while we will see#Black Lives Don’t Matter. Its too bad the politically correct want to ban the apt description of thuggee or foist micro aggression on us. I mocked it with ginger allusions, but progressives and race baiters are playing with fire.

    The last two elections have shown a revolution of sorts has already begun.

    Europeans, who are still the majority,here, are some of the most irritable and nastiest people in the world. Moreover, armed. Koreans and other Asians have also proven their mettle. Residents of Europe are also getting restive. The left had better be careful or it will have more problems than it has already created.

  275. David Clark, a black sheriff in Wisconsin said the charges are a “miscarriage of justice. This neophyte prosecutor stood up there and made a political statement, Neil, and I say that because she’s chanting or voicing some of the chants from this angry mob. Her job is to tune that out. She said ‘I hear the voices. She’s not supposed to hear anything as she reviews the case that is not consistent with the rule of law and our system of justice. …There is no way I have ever gotten a criminal charge within 24 hours after taking over all of the reports and evidence to a prosecutor. A prosecutor who is thorough needs several days to sift through hundreds of pages of reports.

    ….She’ll never prove this beyond a reasonable doubt, and I’m not going to silently stand by and watch my brother officers, offered up as human sacrifices, thrown like red meat to an angry mob, just to appease this angry mob…She rushed this thing through.” Clark also said the prosecutor should recuse herself and name a special prosecutor.

    It won’t happen without outside pressure because progressives taste blood. Now, they have a chance to hang someone after their previous failures from the Duke LaCross team to Trevon Martin on down,

  276. Earlier, I posted a Sarajevo Romeo and Juliet story which illustrated an extreme version of the fragmentation taking place in the US.

    This Finnish video also discusses fragmentation and our tendency to believe our own groups are the norm. No matter who we are, we look “normal” and the others are outside of the pale.We refuse to acknowledge the faults in our culture.

  277. Rutherford, do our eyes deceive us? Still think Progressive Politic is the correct path to follow? Consider this excerpt:

    A few weeks ago, there was an election in Ferguson, Mo., the result of which was to treble the number of African Americans on that unhappy suburb’s city council. This was greeted in some corners with optimism — now, at last, the city’s black residents would have a chance to see to securing their own interests. This optimism flies in the face of evidence near — St. Louis — and far — Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco . . .

    St. Louis has not had a Republican mayor since the 1940s, and in its most recent elections for the board of aldermen there was no Republican in the majority of the contests; the city is overwhelmingly Democratic, effectively a single-party political monopoly from its schools to its police department. Baltimore has seen two Republicans sit in the mayor’s office since the 1920s — and none since the 1960s. Like St. Louis, it is effectively a single-party political monopoly from its schools to its police department. Philadelphia has not elected a Republican mayor since 1948. The last Republican to be elected mayor of Detroit was congratulated on his victory by President Eisenhower. Atlanta, a city so corrupt that its public schools are organized as a criminal conspiracy against its children, last had a Republican mayor in the 19th century. Its municipal elections are officially nonpartisan, but the last Republican to run in Atlanta’s 13th congressional district did not manage to secure even 30 percent of the vote; Atlanta is effectively a single-party political monopoly from its schools to its police department.

    American cities are by and large Democratic-party monopolies, monopolies generally dominated by the so-called progressive wing of the party. The results have been catastrophic, and not only in poor black cities such as Baltimore and Detroit. Money can paper over some of the defects of progressivism in rich, white cities such as Portland and San Francisco, but those are pretty awful places to be non-white and non-rich, too: Blacks make up barely 9 percent of the population in San Francisco, but they represent 40 percent of those arrested for murder, and they are arrested for drug offenses at ten times their share of the population. Criminals make their own choices, sure, but you want to take a look at the racial disparity in educational outcomes and tell me that those low-income nine-year-olds in Wisconsin just need to buck up and bootstrap it? Black urban communities face institutional failure across the board every day. There are people who should be made to answer for that: What has Martin O’Malley to say for himself? What can Ed Rendell say for himself other than that he secured a great deal of investment for the richest square mile in Philadelphia? What has Nancy Pelosi done about the radical racial divide in San Francisco? ~ Kevin Williamson

  278. Looks like the driver of the van is the most heavily charged.

    He’s black.

    The narrative developed on both sides will be interesting. Shitty democrat minority neighborhoods v. institutionalized racist and abusive police forces.

    The ones cheering the big “victory” will regret it over time.

  279. Tex you’re way overboard. We all know the self injury explanation is absolutely ludicrous. The prosecutor may have overcharged but I’m not losing sleep. Dollars to donuts these particular cops were scum.

  280. DR you’re stupid and ill informed. The prosecutor was doing an independent investigation alongside the police. She had over a week’s stuff to sift through including a coroners report.

    Just fucking stop it. I’m with you on Ferguson but SOMETIMES the cops ARE wrong.

    Now let the trial take its course.

    P.S. Only BLACKS get lynched in this country. Choose your words wisely. You’re the pathetic one.

    The only thing more sickening than constant black whining about the system is white whining. Stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself.

  281. Mosby’s trip to the political is a blunder. David Clark and also the police union have touched on this political mistake. It might be grounds for appeal Surely the lawyers are noticing too.

    It seems to me that a separate issue beyond guilt or innocence is prosecutorial motivation. Are they just interested in the facts or are they like the Salem inquisitors and juries following the dictates of a mob? If so, , what happens if they lose the case?

  282. Twitchy had a video of protests in St. Louis and other cities. They blocked traffic in St. Louis until a bus load of black and white passengers forceably removed the protesters from the street. Some people are beginning to fight back.

  283. Mosby’s “this is your moment” is ambiguous. It could mean “you got your arrest, now go home, stop protesting and STFU” or it could mean “we have triumphed over whitey”. Either way she should never have said it.

    Understand though, I’m pretty sure she ran for the job on the promise she would clean up the police force. This should surprise no one.

    She also has a family full of cops. I don’t think she’s that easy to pigeon hole.

    The mayor on the other hand said we will not tolerate racism in the police force. She essentially called the cops racist. Very very bad idea.

  284. a bus load of black and white passengers forceably removed the protesters from the street

    Notice that law abiding blacks are getting tired of this too. I think most of the folks in Baltimore were mortified by the riots.

    I almost cried when I saw a little black boy say he just wanted the CVS to be rebuilt.

    There are textures, levels and complexities in Baltimore that make it incomparable to Ferguson IMO.

  285. Dollars to donuts these particular cops were scum.

    You’re missing my point, Rutherford. All six cops may be scum – but so is the city, all managed by blacks. Too many of them acted like animals, and then the hustlers try to convince us it was only a “few” and we can pay or it or they’ll do it again. Bullshit. Our eyes don’t lie. This mayor and attorney are already grossly incompetent and the trial hasn’t started.

    It takes some real gall to do what these political dimwits did yesterday on TV – jury nullification before the trial starts, courtesy of the grossly stupid ‘leaders’ pandering for votes.

    Urban blacks are not garnering any sympathies from whitey while throwing bricks at law enforcement, burning down the only pharmacy in the neighborhood, and stealing vehicles to drive through the bonfires while they yell Fuck Fox News and blame slavery.

    Because the day is soon coming when good people are no longer going to tolerate this crap, the excuse tank has run dry, and if the police are incapable of doing something about putting a severe stop to it, they will.

    This won’t go on forever. Blacks are damaging themselves more than their neighborhoods and their cries as victims ring more and more hollow. You gotta know that. It should be you taking the Michael Eric Dyson assholes to task.

  286. Michigan had an earthquake. Did anyone notice?

    Fracking, James. Had to be waste water wells. LOL. This is how I know God has a great sense of humor.

  287. ” SOMETIMES the cops ARE wrong.”

    So what? I never defended the cops.

    Even the prosecution originally said the investigation would take some time.

    Only blacks get lynched?

    Anyone can get lynched. Black people don’t own the word lynched. Fuck off. I’ll give you niger. I’m not giving you any other words.

    But…as sure as this blog will serve as a testament of you being a wrong dumb ass far beyond your encroaching death, you will have a hard time defending the botched prosecution. One I’m willing to bet was rushed.

  288. DR are you aware they promised the public “findings” by Friday? They created their own pressure.

    But seriously does it take 3 weeks to determine if the dude was seat belted? He wasn’t. Even with “best intentions” they fucked up.

  289. God does indeed have a sense of humor. He invented it. But He also has reserved a time in the not-too-distant future to destroy those who are destroying the earth. Frackin’ A. I’m ready to see real justice reign on the planet. Monsanto be damned.

  290. ”I believe two of the six charged are black. That’s a good thing.”

    I thought 3 but either way the heavy charges signal the hope that some of the cops charged turn on others. I’m not sure how they’ll be able to convict any of them otherwise. It will suck if that divides along racial lines but that’s the most likely scenario.
    I’m wondering what justice looks like when black Americans have the all the edges to all the angles to their advantage.
    I’m also wondering what the worst is that could happen here. White cops get reamed? Who’s gonna cry over that?
    I like Sheriff Clarke a lot. I think he’s an honest man and takes his oath to protect and serve very seriously. If he can be marginalized then I don’t know where we can go from there.

  291. I think 5 of 6 “cooperated” with the investigation. I think the driver (charged with 2nd degree murder) did not. My bet, 5 take a plea to lesser charges leaving the driver out to dry.

    Why would anyone WANT to be a cop in this country nowadays? At least not in the inner city.

  292. Alfie what do you mean by this – ?

    “The incidents in Baltimore ARE NOT SOMETHING to be passed aside as over with, any more than they are to be framed as a mere pop phenomenon.”

  293. Why would anyone WANT to be a cop in this country nowadays? At least not in the inner city.

    Very true and I have said the same. I could also say the same of soldiers serving under Barack Obama.

  294. Notice she is stacking charges. The driver has both a manslaughter and a depraved heart murder.

    She’s going to need quite a bit of proof for all this.

    How can so many be guilty of manslaughter?

    • Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr., 45, faces one count of second-degree depraved-heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, manslaughter by vehicle (gross negligence), manslaughter by vehicle (criminal negligence) and misconduct in office.

    • Lt. Brian W. Rice, 41, faces one count of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and one count of false imprisonment.

    • Sgt. Alicia D. White, 30, faces one count of involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

    • Officer William G. Porter, 25, faces one count of involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

    • Officer Garrett E. Miller, 26, faces two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and one count of false imprisonment.

    • Officer Edward M. Nero, 29, faces two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and one count of false imprisonment.

  295. Why would anyone WANT to be a cop in this country nowadays? At least not in the inner city.

    With assholes that assume they are scum that deserve even trumped up charges?

  296. “I think 5 of 6 “cooperated” with the investigation. I think the driver (charged with 2nd degree murder) did not. My bet, 5 take a plea to lesser charges leaving the driver out to dry.”

    My instincts tell me that’s not going to be enough. Opening myself up to the cynical label here but I think the driver is the main one the prosecution wants to turn. Just a hunch.

  297. Thanks for the list rabbit. Good question. Bet Tigre could tell us a lot about the charges. Hint hint.

  298. “The prosecutor may have overcharged but I’m not losing sleep. Dollars to donuts these particular cops were scum.”

    Sure as the sun rises, R feels some vicarious validation and spirals into the drain.

    As always. Here we go.

    The prosecutor’s and mayor’s comments yesterday after declaring the charges were grotesque — an affront to fairness and justice. The language of lynching.

    BTW, that prosecutor sounds like a fucking idiot. I hope this is an easy case. She sure doesn’t come off like she’s got the intellectual fortitude to anything other than pander to what is now the mob.

  299. “Bet Tigre could tell us a lot about the charges. Hint hint.”

    Obviously overcharging and inconsistent. After that, I don’t know what to offer.

    Or are you being facetious ’cause that’s how I was charged in my little “event?” 😉

  300. I found Rutherford to be exhibiting the sad symptoms others have in declaring a victory with the announcement of charges. Mosby has solved nothing,the mob is no satiated only secondary to crowd dynamics put on hold for a bit.
    Also as Tex has spoken on Baltimore is sick and that sickness isn’t going away even if all six cops get 20 years a piece.
    Many cities are sick. Where I differ with some is that I don’t think “Chocolate” is the problem….it’s BLUE.

  301. More to your point Muffy I am awash with the feeling that the social media generation of Americans is especially stupid,nah R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D! and this doesn’t bode well for the realities that are coming no matter what.
    America is changing and in many ways in a good way. These changes are unavoidable,inevitable and for many f#$&ing unbelievably uncomfortable.

  302. @ Rutherford just to keep you honest Mosby is quoted as saying she made the bulk of her decision on information she held for less than 24 hours.
    To her credit [snicker] that jewel came out of the same presser she warned it wouldn’t be a quick road and the cops may not even get jail time.

  303. People should be ready to pay much higher taxes in Baltimore. I think more communities should accept this too. I personally HATE the Paddy Wagon (stop being offended Irish) and it exists as a budget item for most municipalities as it allows a greater number of persons to be transported via the least amount of police. It also is used in this manner to keep officers on area thereby maintaining patrol presence. Well its kind of a shitty system. In the past diabetics have died in the back of the wagons after being arrested as drunks.There is case law and policy in place in many municipalities specifically to address that. I only mention it to go back to the first point….pay more taxes,hire more cops,change policy rinse and repeat.

  304. Tigre, no not being cheeky. Just wanted to hear it from you. (How so many be guilty of manslaughter.)

    Thanks Alfie.

  305. I’ve delved into the Maryland statutes albeit with no Esq. to my name and…
    Depraved heart for Maryland means the driver showed grave indifference towards Gray as a human when consciously making the choice not to buckle or listen.
    The misconduct in office is apparently a popular charge in Maryland. In the case of the officers it exists due to their refusing to buckle up the guy which is policy ergo the violation of policy can earn ya the misconduct hit.
    False imprisonment is based on the finding that the knife was a legal pocket knife .

  306. “Depraved heart…grave indifference.” That sounds like what Rutherford has been talking about since Gardner.

  307. I read on the internet somewhere, so take it with a grain of salt, that paddy wagon policy changed only 9 days before the death. 9 days earlier, seat belts weren’t even required.

    Couldn’t the arrest be valid from the running alone, if there was cause for a Terry Stop? Why would they get him for a legal pocket knife? Stupid.

  308. Where I differ with some is that I don’t think “Chocolate” is the problem….it’s BLUE.

    Actually Alfie, there’s some pretty good empirical evidence, it’s both. So I can’t disagree with you. But it’s hard to differentiate causation as the two seem to run hand-in-hand.

    San Francisco and Seattle are doing fine on the surface and that is as blue as it gets – reasonably low unemployment. But they also benefit from the new tech bubble and there are a lot of underlying problems that the new tech money masks. And we all know that can’t go on forever and won’t.

  309. I don’t have much reason to doubt Alfie’s theories of American change. Our rural area is looking better with each killing and race-based riot. Our taxes will continue to be lower, and we will look even more attractive for business.

    Already Google and other companies are slowly changing the Omaha metro area into a minor Silicone Valley. The continued degeneration of coastal cities and worsening long-term drought in the West presage more development in the previously disdained Heartland.

    I expect that if the police are not convicted, riots will rival the sixties. That will add still more luster to our region.

    Life in a county with only five electric traffic lights is pretty good now.

  310. DR I fully agree…it does appear she overcharged. Someone here, either Tigre or Alfie suggested she threw everything at the wall in the hope something would stick. Goodson’s charges are quite puzzling. How can he be guilty of depraved heart murder and involuntary manslaughter at the same time?

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it’s a perfect prosecution. I’m just saying these are NOT choir boys and they need to be held to account.

  311. “Depraved heart…grave indifference.” That sounds like what Rutherford has been talking about since Gardner.

    BINGO Muffy.

    Maybe this is the wrong metric but if you saw a man on the street in obvious distress wouldn’t you help him (at least on a good day)? Does the concept of the criminal/perp dynamic wipe this basic decent human response off the table?

    Black lives matter – bullshit. ALL LIVES MATTER. This is a backlash against cops not valuing basic human needs. The racial part should be secondary but has been amplified.

  312. San Francisco and Seattle are doing fine on the surface and that is as blue as it gets – reasonably low unemployment.

    Exactly Tex, jobs jobs jobs. The idle mind is the devils workshop. Neighborhoods like the one in West Baltimore have been forsaken.

    The mayor has been castigated for how she handled the riots. Fuck that. How about castigating her for letting parts of her city rot?

    Perhaps, the mayor is really only the mayor of the monied interests? In every city. 😦

  313. “Maybe this is the wrong metric but if you saw a man on the street in obvious distress wouldn’t you help him”

    Do you realize they all scream in distress when taken down?

    Most yell they can’t breath?

    As in almost every time?

  314. The mayor has been castigated for how she handled the riots. Fuck that. How about castigating the Democratic Party for letting parts of her city rot?

  315. “I’m just saying these are NOT choir boys and they need to be held to account.”

    I see your backtracking off “scum”.

    You have no clue about who those particular officers are. None.

  316. Money Mayweather going to make me some money. All that dumb money raining down on Manny the last week.

    At -190?

    All day, boy$.

  317. So you think Mayweather takes it, Rabbit? I’ve been saying for a while now (long before the fight signed) that I thought Mayweather would win on points as I thought him the better fighter.

    But I still hope Manny wins because he’s the better person. 🙂

  318. I know, Rutherford. We may become an enclave as in the western Roman Empire after it fell. Parts of France and maybe King Arthur’s court maintained small patches of Roman society for many generations. Eventually, the so called barbarians did take over. They will likely Californiaicate us as the Romans were Germanicated.

    If I saw a man in obvious distress, I would help him as soon as I decided it wasn’t a trap.

    We don’t know if those police officers are scum bags or not. We do know the responsible officials appear to be playing to the mob. It is a terrible mistake.

    Imagine how those people will react after the forgone conclusion of un- jailed police officers will play. We have already seen how they behaved after the police were arrested. It is important to leave doubt in the outcome.

  319. Do you realize they all scream in distress when taken down?
    Most yell they can’t breath?
    As in almost every time?

    You said this before Rabbit and I don’t totally buy it. Big bad gangsta suddenly dissolves into a crying bitch upon arrest? Sorry. That doesn’t pass the smell test.

  320. How about castigating the Democratic Party for letting parts of her city rot?

    This coming from a guy who decries the politicization of everything. The party doesn’t have the job. She does.

  321. You have no clue about who those particular officers are. None.

    As much clue as you – who would sooner buy some cockamamie story about self injury than entertain for one minute that the cops could be negligent — or worse, scum.

  322. I don’t want to put words into the guys mouth because I sincerely like the guy as much as two anonymous dudes can on the net but….
    When it comes to experiencing the Blue Machine taking down a city dead rabbit has had a front row seat so there it is.

  323. I haven’t bought any story. Don’t k ow why you are saying that.

    Yes…they almost all scream.

  324. @ rabbit my comment was in support of
    How about castigating the Democratic Party for letting parts of her city rot?

    The hyped fight goes to points and boxing wonders why nobody cares anymore

  325. How about castigating the Democratic Party for letting parts of her city rot?”-DR

    Enough all ready about putting blame on the DP. Not every thing can be blamed on the Left or the Right. Even earthquakes on now blamed on the Left (i.e. fracking). I promise you those doing the fracking could care less whether or not they are L/R.

    Yes I agree that cities ROT because of POLITICS but ALL politicians are rotten! There are skeletons in all of their closets and when you open the door no one can tell if the skeleton is L/R

    I’m not one to spout the Bible but do believe in the proverb “idleness is the devil’s work shop”. If statistics were taken I don’t think rioters would equate with workers who had a daily job. I don’t see employers giving “ a mental health day” to an employee who wanted to participate in riots. regardless of their politics.

    To me it’s a copout to blame Left/Right or Black/White. There are deep seated issues that need to be dealt with.

    The Media is a perfect example. The Media lately as been in a “eat your own” frenzy regardless of L/R. Just think Brian Williams and Bill O’Reilly. When Buzzfeed sent it’s viral-politics editor, Benny Johnson, packing for plagiarism he was picked up by National Review Online as it’s digital director (L/R issue?)

    It really is all about the Money!

  326. “The party doesn’t have the job. She does.” You are wrong, Rutherford.

    The party has had the job for at least fifty years. The mayor is only the latest tenant to occupy the administrative office. She works with scores of party workers who are as liberal as she is. The institutional culture lives on as mayors and other officials come and go.

    Democrats blamed Republicans for the Rodney King riots, so by their standards it is appropriate to blame the party in power for these many years.

    Democrats own Baltimore and many other troubled cities. This is their fault. “They built this city.”

  327. Big bad gangsta suddenly dissolves into a crying bitch upon arrest? “-R

    Oh I buy it. Smells like a Bully to me. The big bad gangsta that doesn’t is probably the leader of the pack and like most pack leaders lets the others take the fall because he rarely gets caught.

  328. Hello from Seattle –

    Nice little place you got here, Rutherford. Had dinner in the Space Needle last night, going to see Mt. Ranier today. A bit higher than what we have, should be good.

    Brown is, indeed, a bad vanguard for change in American law enforcement, but that isn’t the point, is it? The background of an individual who’s being arrested should not matter – whether it be a hulking black man with a long “rap sheet” or a blue-haired granny, the officers must use no more force than is necessary. He is being detained, not punished. The constabulary cannot beat somebody up just because they pissed you off. That’s why HE is the accused and YOU are the professional. With great authority (authorization to use force – up to and including deadly force) comes great responsibility – and great punishment if you are irresponsible. Good enough.

    A good observation seen on the Web yesterday, made by some American pol: with cameras, EVERYBODY behaves better. They are cheap, available, and serve notice to EVERYONE that they are on public display, so they need to be wearing clean underwear. It sounds like American law enforcement could use some of that.

  329. FWIW I think taking aim @ party ideology is fully acceptable and proper. I don’t want to beat the proverbial dead horse here but America’s cities are at the forefront of dealing with American decline and much of that decline as it pertains to cities is wrapped up in what can be called The Blue Model.
    Many cities have overcome the thumping of the private sector blue model decline but are lined up like ducks for the death shots regards the public sector drop.(Boston,NYC,LA & Chicago for ex.) Other cities have never recovered from the private sector fall.(Cleveland,Baltimore,Buffalo,Stockton,Harrisburg etc….)
    Doing the same thing over and over again & expecting different results is not the way to go folks.

  330. So the latest out of NYC is interesting and relative. The police rolled up on a guy and decided that the way he was fiddling with his waistband was suspicious. When questioned Demetrius Blackwell produced a hand gun and fired at the officers striking one of them in the head. Blackwell was apprehended with the help of residents of the neighborhood within 90 minutes of the incident.
    So I get where people feel the suspicious waist band adjustment is far from just cause. In fact the NYC City Council is working on castrating NYPD/NYTPD “Broken Windows” policy and curbing the “gut notion” stops by officers.
    Blackwell has priors and was illegally holding a gun in a city with some of the toughest gun control laws. He used it obviously to avoid arrest. When potentially killing others is logical to a person that person is dangerous.

  331. Big bad gangsta suddenly dissolves into a crying bitch upon arrest? “-R
    I don’t know why this surprises you Rutherford. How sheltered are you exactly?
    The cuffs come out and there are basically three personalities that come out.
    1. “Fuck you I’m a tough guy”!
    2. “Alright officer you got me it’s all good I’m peaceful”.
    3. “What me? No not me man! Please please please don’t arrest me man”>
    #s 1 &3 have a variant that then goes the “These cuffs are too tight man,this is police brutality,this is some shit man,I’m suing you motherfuckers for sure”.
    My experience is that these personalities cross gender,income and racial lines.

  332. Alfie, for what it’s worth thanks for the debate. I guess I keep thinking taking aim at party ideology is beating the proverbial dead horse and we have got to move on to survive . Survival may depend on letting those cities die of rot and moving inward.

    Sorry James, your and mine country style of living is going to be a thing of the past. Rather than try to clean up the cities that exist Corporations can with today’s technology establish themselves anywhere. I already see it happening in VA.

  333. Blaming Party Ideology reminds me of the phrase “the Devil made me do it”

    Moral equivocation coupled with moral relativism reminds me of “Diversity is our Strength,” “Blacks can’t be racists…,” and ” Yes We Can!!!!” 😉

    Not only not smart, but profoundly stupid.

  334. The Dem/GOP blame game is a joke and the lazy man’s method of analysis.

    28 of the past 54 years (my lifetime) this country has been lead by a Republican president yet poverty is worse than ever.

    Neither party has advanced the ball because we haven’t found a way to reduce poverty while keeping monied interests happy.

    IF that is impossible then the problem will never be solved by either party.

  335. @ Raji there is a school of thought based in New Urbanism that cities are the future but not necessarily to the death of rural areas.
    That said many places are showing signs that their suburbs are in fact the new face of poverty in the USA. This will prove to be the next area of Blue Model decline as smaller communities fall under the weight of 20th century model pensions and services schemes. Suburbs are also going broke as select urban areas further gentrify causing the push out of lower socio-economic types and the transfer of wealthier folks back into the cities.It really is an interesting area of study if more than a bit Wonkish.
    Regionalization may be embraced more readily in the States such as “Charlanta” and the other presumed megapolitans. Clearly there are folks pulling for that to be true. It would serve economies well but will require serious paradigm shifts. The Blue Model will poison this particular innovation. Outside of the 21st century “city state” of which in America only NYC could potentially pull it off the megapolitan is the way to go.
    You bring up an interesting point when you tell James about corporations. The thing there though is that many corporations are stuck in the 20th century model as well striking deals where Blue Model politicians scramble to attract the “jobs” that never really materialize. A worrisome variation of the corporations thing in the USA is how some especially in the tech sector are intent on creating their own communities with infrastructure up to and including private mass transit. This is like a return to the mining town of Fords paternalism but with the twist that they recognize their people need to be separate and above the rabble for the good of the company. Just for kicks three of the companies most likely to pull this off,as they are all implementing it in some way or other, Apple,Amazon and Google. Apple and Google will likely succeed in having something in place within a decade. Think large college campus on steroids stuff here.

  336. Rutherford there are a number of things wrong with your analysis but I only jump in on a few.
    The federal government via one of the staples of the Great Society food stamps is and has always lived a lie. It conveniently counts or fails to count the people and $$$ in the program as the bureaucracy deems fit. Its third rail status and being tied to the farm bill is another angle.
    US poverty is overstated and guarded and thats being polite.
    I’m confident I can prove that in the USA poverty is linked to the failures of the predominantly Democrat set of policies based in education,entitlements and general governance. Where you find poverty in “red” areas you still find Great Society fingerprints and regardless of officials having (R) after their names a more than nostalgic embrace of the Blue Model.

  337. I know, Ragi. The US News and World Report projected a city corridor from Omaha to Sioux Falls, so we know it is coming. I am enjoying what we have while we have it.

    No Blade of Grass had a nice solution to the big cities. The authorities nuked the cities.

    Cousins had a fruit farm outside of San Jose and held on as long as they could against the encroaching city. They were finally forced to sell and became rich. One of our cousins works at the same company our son does. To this day, she can’t bear to drive by the farm’s previous location.

    The “Devil made me do it” is more accurately, “I am the Devil” when it comes to party ideology and political power.

    I think when we were detained on an Italian air base and told they nearly shot us down, I showed a combination of one and two, but I kept one hidden. I never was really frightened in college, when the police brought us in for questioning. We were committing pranks.

    The Italian incident was different. The Italians assured us we had committed a greivious international incident and for about six hours they told us we were going to prison. I didn’t let anyone notice, but I was worried.

  338. “How sheltered are you exactly?” -A

    Alfie, it makes it really hard for me to have any kind of give or take with him.

    His take on reality is television based.

  339. Raja, you realize you are essentially telling me not to hold my local leaders accountable?

    I’ve seen nothing but Dems in Wayne County…. I’ve seen their politcal race wars on the suburbs. I’ve seen their blame game. I’ve seen corruption that makes Boardwalk Empire look boring. I’ve seen a third world murder rate. And I’ve seen money spraying on all of these things only making it worse, like putting water on a Delta class fire.

  340. @ R historically you have @ 54 yrs of age experienced:
    The greatest decrease in poverty rate from 22%-11%
    Three increases of 2-3% two of those occurring during very positive times for the overall economy one directly connected to a major recession.
    You/all of us are living with a rate of about 14.5% today. As I stated earlier however the bulk of this 14+% are a statistical lie.

  341. I’d love to not have had some of my life experiences even though they helped make me who I am today. That said I think some combination of things has had an adverse effect on our host.He has clearly dodged (probably through no fault of his own imo) some potentially informative/formative incidents.

  342. His take on reality is television based.

    Do please fuck off. Your “reality” is cynical and full of generalizations. Everyone cries in pain so ignore it. That’s what you defend.

    You know, Alfie’s EMT background makes me pay a bit more attention. You dealt with juvies in prison and currently deal with them out of prison and suddenly you’re an expert on adult criminal behavior.

    The way you portray “reality”, I want no part of it.

  343. He has clearly dodged (probably through no fault of his own imo) some potentially informative/formative incidents.

    So here’s the thing. After traveling through Europe as a child with my parents, I clearly learned first hand (not from teevee) that America is the best thing going.

    My four years at Harvard exposed me to a diverse bunch but not much exposure to the poor.

    After graduation I lived and still live a very conservative life. For most of my life, I commuted to work. Walked from my car to the office. Spent 8-12 hours a day there. Drove back home. Shopped on the weekends. Married and had kids relatively late in life. But for the last part, I don’t think I was that unusual. Most college educated professionals are “sheltered” from the harshness of the world. Some professions, like being an EMT or a teacher in a poor neighborhood (like my dad was) expose you to more harsh realities.

    Bottom line, Rabbits dismissive TV comments anger me because my life experience is NOT that unusual. It is typical of someone raised upper middle class who went straight to college and then straight into a white collar job. What makes me unusual is that I have travelled more than the average American and I’ve gone to an institution that attracted folks from all over the world with different perspectives and backgrounds.

  344. sigh

    As much as I hate to do this, I have to speak in Rutherford’s defense. We all have different life experiences. He’s struggled in ways Rabbit, and Alfie, and Tex, and James, and Muffy and I will never have to in order to live a regular existence. Rutherford deserves a break. Yes, he’s a liberal dumb fuck with a broken remote control. But it ain’t fair ignoring that he knows more about aspects of the human condition than any of us.

    With that said, Rutherford you gotta know that it can be mighty frustrating at times to debate some of this shit that you self-righteously proclaim strong opinion while totally lacking the experience to really understand the behavior you empathize with. It’s the hallmark of bleeding hearts. Sometimes you do have to be cynical because it’s closer to reality. People do suck. The victim/oppressor paradigm does not explain it all, or much of it really. Self-interest does.

  345. “You dealt with juvies in prison and currently deal with them out of prison and suddenly you’re an expert on adult criminal behavior.”

    There is another aspect to my current job that you might not be aware of. You can email me if interested (not that it’s a big deal or cool but its unique enough I wouldn’t want it public)

  346. How well did you do on Mayweather last night Rabbit and how are you spending it? How about paying for my planned garage renovation that my wife is staying eerily silent about?

  347. I have a bone to pick with the Mayweather hoopla as it kept us out of Buffalo Wild Wings yesterday. That’s our traditional celebration spot after gymnastics meets.

    By the way, kid is Illinois state vault champ in her age group 2nd year in a row. 3rd year in a row for a first place finish (the first year she was first all around).

  348. Actually Rutherford, I think part of your detachment is the fact you are traveled and went to Harvard, in the belief that provides a shared experience. Perhaps with Wives of Atlanta or Beverly Hills, Mark Zuckerberg, maybe.

    But that’s not a microcosm of the real world – that’s my youngest daughter in a nutshell. European travel and private schools K through college. This is a kid that once asked her father “Are we poor?” At the time, her mother and father will probably pulling down well over 2 bills, closer to 3. That may not be large in NYC, but it is “rich” in Tulsa, OK.

    But her friends at this most private of private K-12 schools had wine cellars in their mansions and a couple of houses in Aspen and Hawaii/Costa Rica.

    Now I am not going to tell you I am worldly either. But let’s face it – Harvard is a facade and Europe doesn’t prepare you for working with Texans in the oil patch or soldiers coming back from the sands.

    I would say of all the people on this board I would consider more worldly, Rabbit probably comes the closest because of military exposure, the job, and the system he has been exposed.

  349. P.S. = Congratulations on the gymnastics. Exciting. Perhaps she’ll sojourn to OU to study under Nadia and Bart? That might completely ruin her mother and father.

  350. LOL Tex if she lands a full ride gymnastics scholarship my dreams of a Harvard daughter will be shattered but my wallet will feel mighty fine. What a dilemma!

  351. Yes, congratulations to your daughter. She sounds like a talented, hard worker.

    Visiting Europe is different than living there. At his wedding some of my brother’s in laws felt worldly because they had money and spent a few weeks in Europe.

    Which was your favorite European country?

  352. Man…state champ. That’s impressive. Really impressive. Congrats.

    Believe or not, my boy is starting gymnastics this summer. More of an auxiliary for his other sports but if he wants to go to a competition, I’m game.

    My take on the Mayweather fight:

    There have been two occasions in my life where betting on sports was somewhat rational.

    The first was a little harness racing track that existed for two years in the U.P.

    The yoopers knew nothing about horse racing. They would bet names they liked or the color of the horses, completely skewing the odds. Making things better, they would run the exact race twice in the same evening. And the people would bet the same losing horses!

    My Dad is an awesome handicapper from Detroit. It was free money.

    Last night.

    The odds on Mayweather went down from near -290 to -180 or lower all in the last week.

    Boxing went from fringe sport to mainstream celebration over night with entire generation of people knowing nothing about the sport. They bet on the nice guy en masse. I went with the undefeated asshole with the best defense in history with friendly odds that favored him to do emotional betting.

    Dumb money.

    Rabbit family ate filits on the grill today.

  353. Funny story about a girl who did gymnastics. She’s probably around your daughter’s age (although she is the daughter of a well known athlete).

    She showed up to our wrestling practice once and beat the boy’s asses.

    Several wrestlers on our team do gymnastics ever since that day.

  354. The dad of a girl on the team who has given my daughter a run for her money confessed to my wife “I really don’t get this”. My wife had to school him – strength, balance, coordination. Hell, I’m a sports-moron and even I get it.

    The only event she blew was beam, an 8.55. Had she been a boy the whole meet might have ended. She slipped and hit the beam crotch first, then did a backward roll landing on all fours on the mat. One second later, got up back on the beam and did the dismount properly. Then went on to do the next three events. I was so worried the beam slip would shake her but she shed a tear or two (embarrassment) and then rocked the next three events.

  355. That’s really neat, Rutherford. Quite and achievement and you tell her Tex said, “Congratulations and keep up the good work!” I once had a daughter that was state runner up in high school athletics (track and field) and was very proud of her accomplishment, even when she vomited after the event. LOL. First place is even better. 🙂

    Glad your daughter was a hen – now you can fully appreciate why even the bravest of males don’t do flips on a 4″ beam – roosters don’t crow after one slip on the board.

  356. “Two dead flies true but a contest for the best cartoon mocking Mohammed? Really?”

    Didn’t the jihadis prove their point?

  357. First off, half of the charges will likely get dismissed.

    Secondly, this may put a wrinkle in Mosby’s plan:

    Further, I think the likelihood of more rioting is pretty great. Once the courts start dismissing some of these ridiculous charges, the mob is going to go bat-shit crazy again. The manslaughter charges sound appropriate, because once the cops handcuff you and stick you in the van, they own your wellbeing, but the impression given by a clearly under-experienced AG who likely got the gig because she’s far prettier than the last SOB, is that these officers set out to intentionally undermine this guys freedom. I’m undecided on that to say the least.

    Finally, I would not be surprised-and would wholly support such-if a large portion of the Baltimore PD just walked off the job in protest. In fact, if I was a cop in any of the blue cities, I’d seriously be rethinking my career and/or location.

  358. So our dead man choir boy was a heroin dealer, hey? Kind of like our hero mom has six kids with sperm donors for fathers.

    Can you see why police might get a little jaded working day in and day out in this kind of environment? I understand Baltimore has one of the highest per pupil expenditures for K-12 education and half the little urchins can’t read by about the eight grade. That’s what our tax dollars buy us – when weren’t not spending hundreds of millions to keep the animals from burning down their own neighborhoods.

    I’m frankly fed up with these rat holes we poor money into. Perhaps the best possible situation is for the cops to set the place on fire themselves, then stand down.

  359. Another complaint I have today. PTSD – it used to be reserved for people who had witnessed or experienced real traumatic instances – prisoners of war, soldiers on the battle field, firemen and police officers, EMTs watching people ripped in half and the like.

    Now we have women and to a lesser degree men suffering PTSD on account of seeing themselves on the internet naked due to revenge porn. Read that today. 🙄

    I’m sorry, but that just doesn’t rise to the level of me having profound sympathies like looking at children’s broken bodies or seeing your best friend with his head blown off.

  360. Dershowitz is absolutely correct – but won’t just postpone the riots; it will enhance the riots based on trumped up charges and they will grow exponentially worse.

  361. Of course Dershowitz is right. It should be obvious and bother everyone — but it won’t. Look at the validation of blog host feels for some damn reason.

    Tex, I heard someone claiming that Gray may have ingested a bunch of the heroine at the time his arrest with the resulting overdose possibly resulting in what occurred in the back of the van. Who knows really? But the point is that this whole “feed the rioters” process is puke worthy. It has already set a precedent that will ensure more of the same mob justice and lynching.

    A victory has been declared with the promise of a conviction absent any examination of the facts. What’s important now is to give the rioters and looters what they want so the rest can be rewarded with good behavior — well, until they don’t like something else or get bored and decided to burn down their neighbors homes and businesses for kicks.

    (oh sorry, “lynching” is a forbidden term because. . . changes the language is a solution in itself for the left. . . or it might diminish the accurate imagery. . . or we own that brand of injustice. . . or some new stupid made up bullshit PC lefty self-dick-suck distraction. . .)

  362. Tigre, Perhaps the worst part is because this young dummy for attorney, and she was a joke, has way overcharged and the chances good the cops will not be found guilty, it will lend street cred to the horseshit, “Black Lives Matter,” accompanied by a bunch of OWS anarchists. We’re not talking about of rocket scientists out there on the protest line.

  363. Tex, no matter the outcome, the Mayor and AG have already granted street cred to horse shit. No matter what happens. It’s why Obama’s and Holder’s involvement in the other matters was such a fucking problem, and a lasting problem at that. It’s an Idiot’s Delight that is so destructive it pisses me off that we have come to this point. We are watching the Idiocracy at work.

  364. In fact, if I was a cop in any of the blue cities, I’d seriously be rethinking my career and/or location.

    In fact, if I was a cop in any of high crime impoverished cities, I’d seriously be rethinking my career and/or location. That’s what you should have said and I agree with that 100%.

  365. Of course, the difference between the US and Russia is 1) this could be filmed in the first place, and 2) we use pepper spray whereas the Russians would have simply shot him in the face.

    Conveniently, there’s a lot of context lost in this video, which is exactly what one would expect from the propaganda channel RT.

    Pisspot continues to prove his tool-like status…

  366. G, first — the cop on Fox news is a fucking coward. Come out of the shadows and tell your story if it is the truth. Second — more bullshit — if Gray was pursued after having been observed in a drug sales transaction, it would have been one of the first details released to the public. Why would officers risk this Mosby takedown when all they had to do was indicate why Gray was pursued in the first place? That would have prevented the entire false arrest charge. Third, it doesn’t matter why they arrested him. They didn’t properly secure him. Or is that story going to change too?

  367. Conveniently, there’s a lot of context lost in this video, which is exactly what one would expect from the propaganda channel RT.

    🙄 Right. Because people can’t see anything for themselves and require the synthesized version of events. 😆 You’re a bigger tool than AC, magilla.

    There. That ought to make you feel useful. 😛

  368. You don’t have to be an EMT to know that they all say they’re in pain, can’t breathe, etc. We argued this into the ground during Gardner and there was an uncomfortable level of dismissiveness on your part then, Rutherford. Your recent remarks about trusting Alfie more that rabbit indicate more than a hint of hypocrisy in how you weigh information based on what you know or believe about someone else’s life experiences.

    “Bottom line, Rabbits dismissive TV comments anger me because my life experience is NOT that unusual. It is typical of someone raised upper middle class who went straight to college and then straight into a white collar job. What makes me unusual is that I have travelled more than the average American and I’ve gone to an institution that attracted folks from all over the world with different perspectives and backgrounds.”

    Well you’re probably going to be angry at me for saying this but when I read this I hear Hillary saying “we were dead broke.” I also hear Hillary touting her 1,000,000 miles. Worldly isn’t simply a matter of geography. To what degree did you live among the people?

    And while I can appreciate the diversity of people that you encountered at Harvard, that was a long time ago and ivy league is a fairly narrow college experience.

    The question is do you relate or do you abstract what you see around you?

  369. “G, first — the cop on Fox news is a fucking coward. Come out of the shadows and tell your story if it is the truth….”

    That says it all, frankly.

  370. That says it all, frankly.

    Yes, yes it does. From the party of loudmouths too scared to go on….Faux News with or without disguise.

    And this shill wants to call the cop coward? True parody.

  371. ” … There is the Clinton who adores her husband but—according to the book Game Change—believes she ‘cannot control’ him. It was assumed at the time that she was talking about sex and keeping his occasionally impolitic opinions to himself. As it has played out, the real control issue was about money. ”

    “The charges leveled against the Clintons by Peter Schweizer in his book ‘Clinton Cash,’ and confirmed by a raft of mainstream publications in recent weeks, cannot be dismissed as a right-wing hack attack.”

    “One of the most damning charges, if it turns out to be true—and I’ve not seen it disputed—is that since he left the presidency, Bill Clinton gave 13 speeches for $500,000 or more. He gave 11 of them while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State. One would would have to assume a high-mindedness that surpasses all understanding to argue that these speeches, and the generosity of their funders, had not even a subliminal impact on the mind of the Secretary. ”

    “I believe that the Obama Administration’s ‘reset’ with Russia was more than a shell game to enrich the Clintons, but you have to ask: What on earth was Bill Clinton thinking when he took the $500,000 from the friends of Vladimir Putin? What was he thinking when he accepted the ‘honorary’ chancellorship and untold amounts of money from Laureate International Universities, whose affiliate was receiving ever increasing millions of dollars in aid from the State Department while Hillary Clinton was Secretary?”

    “In recent days, I’ve spoken with a bunch of Democrats about the Clinton mess. Inevitably, their first reaction is political. The Clintons were ‘sloppy’ but probably didn’t do anything illegal. Then I ask them: Let’s leave the politics aside; how do you feel about the way the Clintons ran their foundation? ‘Nauseated,’said one. ‘Atrocious,’ said another. ‘It’s no surprise,’said a third.”

    “Their behavior nudges up against the precise reason Americans, in both parties, have grown sick of politicians. It’s near impossible for Hillary Clinton to go around saying, with a straight face, much less a sense of outrage, that the ‘deck is stacked against’ everyday Americans when Bill is partying with the deck stackers. Even if the appearances of impropriety were for good causes, shouldn’t the arrant naiveté of it all disqualify her from the presidency?”

    ” … because of their sloppiness and carelessness and tendency to lawyer the truth—the very best-case scenario for Hillary Clinton is that she might be elected President as the lesser of two evils.” ~ Joel Kline, Time Magazine

    And I can guarantee that is the excuse Rutherford and millions like him will use as excuse: Hillary Clinton should be elected President because she is the lesser of two evils.

  372. The Geller interview is hilarious. The righteous indignation of the deer-in-the-headlights CNN bimbo is great. Once you concede the right to be offensive, there is really no worthwhile defense of the so-called offended.

  373. Hey I know it’s blasphemy around here to call any cop a coward but this has nothing to do with cops. I don’t like ANY of these shadow voice-disguised interviews. They always seem shady and slimy to me.

  374. Kind of like our hero mom has six kids with sperm donors for fathers.

    And this fact overshadows that she took proper action to control her son?

  375. The question is do you relate or do you abstract what you see around you?

    Those things with which I have no experience I suppose I abstract. Those areas where I have even tangential experience I suppose I relate. Not entirely sure what you’re asking.

  376. What a dumb debate and typical of people who can’t hold two ideas in their head at one time.

    You don’t kill people because they offend you AND you don’t go out of your way to offend people. There are NO heroes in this Texas story except maybe the cop who took the nutjobs down.

  377. “You don’t kill people because they offend you AND you don’t go out of your way to offend people.”

    Well, unless going out of your way to offend people that want to kill you IS THE FUCKING POINT.

    I applaud those that stand on principal. The ones offended can go fuck themselves. The others. . . well, they’re not offended.

    I don’t have a problem with those that refuse to cower.

  378. According to Rutherford, its in bad form to offend people who use violence and murder to stop free speech.

    So much so that he finger wags the killers and the cartoonists in the same sentence.

    I bet Rutherford would have been outraged when Bugs Bunny mocked Hitler in ’42

    Fuck that!

  379. Piss Christ fans and artists were lame. Took no guts. Nor did it make any sense.

    Dare I say the Texans involved are heroes?

    I don’t have the balls, that’s for sure.

  380. I hate to tell you this, “R”, but not only can Geller hold two ideas in her head at the same time, she would shred you like a little boy in a debate and shove your manhood in your mouth with a smile. 🙂

  381. And this fact overshadows that she took proper action to control her son?

    So much control, the son was at a riot leading the mob with a mask on. If she had control, the controlled some wouldn’t have felt it necessary to be there at all, would he? 😐

  382. Well for once I have to come to the defense of Fox News. WAPO blames them for premature reporting but I was watching MSNBC at the time and they got it wrong too with “unconfirmed” reports. From no less then Joy Reid. I turned the channel.

    http://wapo.st/1IHlskr

  383. Well, unless going out of your way to offend people that want to kill you IS THE FUCKING POINT.

    Seems chicken egg to me. Do they want to kill you because you’re mocking them (admittedly irrational) or are you mocking them because they already want to kill you?

  384. I bet Rutherford would have been outraged when Bugs Bunny mocked Hitler in ’42
    Fuck that!

    Really, you can’t see the difference between mocking ISIL (modern day Hitler) and mocking Mohammed?

    Come on. I’m not defending these basket cases but I am questioning the wisdom and worth of gratuitously attacking their religion.

    I may know the least about the nature of the event. I’m going on headlines. If this was something “deeper” than some juvenile display of irreverence I retract my comments.

    By the way, if the artist responsible for Christ Pis asked Tex to look at it, while I would not condone it, I’d fully understand Tex punching him in the nose.

  385. Tex you do the best with what you got. Toya Graham has said her son was a mischief maker. She has to spend everyday trying to keep that kid in check under the worst of circumstances. She should trigger sadness in you, not derision.

  386. Wow.

    We live in times when supposed liberals frame an event in which two gunmen show up to slaughter a crowd as a “chicken or the egg” quandary.

    Did the free speech cause the gunman to kill or did the gunman cause the free speech?

    What a pathetic question from a pathetic American.

    While Voltaire rolls in his grave (someone who should be an athiest legend to you) let me take the time to disrespectfully fart in your face.

    Ooooooooooh. They drew a picture of a historical figure. Gasp.

    Let’s make comments on MSNBC.com and wonder if they brought it upon themselves.

    Pathetic.

    Good bye America..former bastion of free speech and refuge to those with unpopular opinions….

    They slaughtered 300 Christians this weekend. Not a word on MSNBC.

  387. I agree, worldly is more than geography. For example, many coastal residents are insular compared to farmers who keep track of world political events, weather, crop consumption and production trends.

  388. Rutherford, the only forms of speech and expression worth protecting are the ones we don’t like.

    The ones we do like don’t need protection.

  389. Did the free speech cause the gunman to kill or did the gunman cause the free speech?

    Once again my comment was taken in isolation. It was a RESPONSE to Tigre suggesting Gellers group ridicules those who want to kill us. I simply asked whether he had his cause and effect straight.

    Rabbit you’re being deliberately thick and hiding it behind the first amendment.

    Let’s get down to a real case. You and I are hanging on the corner and Hamid is standing a few feet away. I decide to whip out my poster of Mo getting it up the ass by Osama bin Laden. Are you telling me you’re not gonna tell me “R, asshole, put that thing away. You’re gonna get us both killed.” Either that or you run like crazy and leave me to my own defenses.

    OR Do you say “Hey Hamid, look over here stinkbeard. If you don’t like what my buddy R is doing, DO something about it and I’ll kick your ass.”

    Play out the scene for me Rabbit, you free speech lover you!

  390. Rutherford, the only forms of speech and expression worth protecting are the ones we don’t like.

    Ok, ok. Gellers gang have the right to be assholes. Everybody happy?

  391. “Play out the scene for me Rabbit, you free speech lover you!”

    No. I’m not going to play that dumb ass scene out for you.

    They were in a school. In Texas.

    They weren’t harassing an individual on a corner. Wtf, man.

    “Ok, ok. Gellers gang have the right to be assholes. Everybody happy?”

    Unfortunately, I made the mistake of reading the comment section at MSNBC.com on this one.

    Chilling.

  392. No. I’m not going to play that dumb ass scene out for you.
    They were in a school. In Texas.

    Dude that dumb ass scene was played out on steroids in TX. There was no noble attempt to express unpopular ideas with that contest. It was a deliberate attempt to provoke a response no different from my pulling out my poster in front of Hamid.

    But here you go … that outspoken Dutchman spoke at the gathering. You know what? I’ll defend to the death his right to express his political views, expressed for what he believes a noble cause before I’ll defend gratuitously offensive cartoons with no redeeming value.

  393. Think about this. Why wasn’t Geller content to have speakers like the Dutchman warn of radical Islam and Sharia? Why did she have to take it to the next level and disrespect their prophet?

  394. I see now that Ferguson and Baltimore are just chicken and egg arguments.

    I love that you can’t see the deeper point in pushing back by exercising the right to keep from losing it.

    Time to see what the cowards at MSNBC are saying. I’m sure it’s heavy.

  395. Because she feels like it?

    Because she is saying I’m not afraid of the violent bullying? A noble statement.

    Becuase she doesn’t like the polical system called for within Islam?

    Because she doesn’t like the cultural norms found within even moderate Muslim culture?

    Because the religion is so effed up they repeatedly kill people over cartoons?

    Because she’s angry?

    Because who fucking cares, its America…end of story.

    I see your “right to be an asshole” lasted 20 minutes top.

  396. Rutherford, want to try your hand at the dismissive “chicken and egg” routine when it comes to rape victims?

  397. If you guys would simply concede there is zero nobility in sophomoric portrayals of the prophet but that it should be protected, you’ve got me.

    What bugs me is your elevation of a cartoon to a phd dissertation on the evils of radical Islam.

    So I’m back to where I was 20 minutes ago. Geller has a right to be an asshole. When they come for her, lesser assholes like Rabbit and Tigre are next. 🙂

    Eventually, they’ll come for non-assholes like me. 😯

  398. Maybe we could fix that problem with a video of a gang rape like the videos of the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

    Cut the crap.

  399. Geller proved her point and it can’t be denied – there is no free speech or humor under Sharia Law and the two dead martyrs living it down in hell prove it. One of the thugs had previously been identified as a jihadi and Rutherford’s political correct courts said there was no evidence (cough cough). Evidence enough now, assholes?

    Geller schooled you stupid fucking Leftists and Jooo haters like Poolman, not that the latter is anything to brag about.

    But frankly, the analogy between Piss Christ and drawing Mohammad cartoons is a poor analogy. Rutherford’s fascist federal government isn’t demanding Muslims pay for the privilege of watching Mo get parodied and Muslim tax dollars pay for it.

  400. I’ve heard of the Dutchman before. I was (and am) too lazy to look up his name. He’s been outspoken about the dangers of Islam. I’m pretty sure he is for strict immigration policies where Muslims are concerned. And of course that is why he was chosen as a speaker.

  401. LOL Speaking of TX Jon Stewart did a bit tonight that amused me. The same state that wants Obama to protect the border, is worried that his troops will enforce martial law there.

    The USA, apple pie, knuckleheads and Chevrolet. 🙂

  402. “The future does not belong to those that slander the prophet of Islam.” ~ Dear Leader Obama, Oct ’12, U.N.

    Like I said – you don’t know shit about ‘The Dutchman’. Read past the title and you might learn something.

  403. The cold hard reality is that we don’t know how many more radicalized Muslims might be living among us – waiting to wage jihad.

    Ahhh a throwback to the “commies among us” 50’s.

  404. Why does Stewart never make it down to Texas and Oklahoma to tell us how smart and brave he is, I wonder? I think Stewart the Pussy has conflated two ideas – the national guard on the border who also loathes pussies and yellow bellies like Stewart and Obama that Obama promised to provide and then didn’t.

    Not that truth ever mattered to Stewart. Could it be he’s another submitter of the crawl to Mecca fraternity? I think Stewart is just bitter than Dear Leader lost two votes.

  405. Ahhh a throwback to the “commies among us” 50’s.

    Please God. Make the next Boston Marathon Bombing Massacre in Rutherford’s apartment complex. That’s almost orgasmic to think about.

  406. Rutherford, aside from Tefillin Tex’s allegiance to the synagogue of satan, I wouldn’t worry unless there is a drill planned for your community. If so, then I’d be totally concerned. None of these events have been spontaneous terror nor originate from any Muslim nation. Every one of these has been a planned drill gone live and every one of these would be terrorists have had a relationship with our federal bureau of instigation. This one is no different.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/05/04/uk-usa-shooting-texas-idUKKBN0NP01I20150504

    As many have noted, Gladio has finally made it to Amerika. 😈

  407. Yeah Rutherford, you better take Poolman’s worldly advice. It has served him personally so well as leader and father. 😛

    Rutherford. You are so twisted, you don’t recognize just how twisted you really are. And I think your malady is getting worse in the time I’ve known you toward the point you’re tipping toward real evil.

    You are subject to abject failure, waste and fraud but too proud to admit it, and in fact celebrate it. And though predominately Christians formed this nation and freed your people through abolition including a devout Christian by the name of Lincoln, your most intense loathing is toward us while you ally with the very people that still enslave you through low expectation and appeasement for a vote. Worse, you have allowed yourself to form alliance with people that would willingly kill you and view you as an infidel and would subject your own daughter to a nightmare.

    You’re sick. You really are. I didn’t recognize so much six years ago. I do now. You think your physical limitations are your weakness, but I find your real weakness is of spirit and mind.

    Poolman is probably mentally ill – a pitiful man in desperate need and apparently nobody loving him enough to seek help. I’m not sure Poolman has the capacity to be cured. However, I think yours is a personal choice because you have the capacity to be intelligent.

    But I’m not sure you have the capacity to be wise.

  408. What you said about Wilders is superficial. You have no background…because you’re as poorly read as Obama. But if you need a heads up to start you on the long road to mediocrity, you can start by googling Theo van Gogh.

    Look at this, Rutherford. The name is not coincidental. The impending and immutable disaster for you and your ilk has already begun. Fool. You walk into destruction eyes wide open. It won’t be most us as that will suffer for this stupidity – it will be dupes like you.

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/05/04/aclu-black-spring-has-begun/

  409. Hey I know it’s blasphemy around here to call any cop a coward but this has nothing to do with cops. I don’t like ANY of these shadow voice-disguised interviews. They always seem shady and slimy to me.” – R

    So Nixon should have finished his term and he should be regarded as a successful President?

    Dude that dumb ass scene was played out on steroids in TX. There was no noble attempt to express unpopular ideas with that contest. It was a deliberate attempt to provoke a response no different from my pulling out my poster in front of Hamid.” – R

    R, are you saying that defiance to something unjust – like intolerance to free speech – is not noble? Hmmm, I wonder what MLK would say to that…

    If you guys would simply concede there is zero nobility in sophomoric portrayals of the prophet but that it should be protected, you’ve got me.

    What bugs me is your elevation of a cartoon to a phd dissertation on the evils of radical Islam.

    So I’m back to where I was 20 minutes ago. Geller has a right to be an asshole. When they come for her, lesser assholes like Rabbit and Tigre are next.” – R
    So, she had it coming. She was asking for it, just look at what she was doing. She deserved it.

  410. Mirroring a shared communal understanding of their clerical leadership with regard to “blasphemy/apostasy,” the results of polling data collected by Wenzel Strategies during October 22 to 26, 2012, from 600 U.S. Muslims, indicate widespread support among American votaries of Islam for this fundamental rejection of the basic freedoms of expression and conscience, as guaranteed under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. When asked, “Do you believe that criticism of Islam or Muhammad should be permitted under the Constitution’s First Amendment?, 58% replied “no,” 45% of respondents agreed “…that those who criticize or parody Islam in the U.S. should face criminal charges,” and fully 12% of this Muslim sample even admitted they believed in application of the draconian, Sharia-based punishment for the non-existent crime of “blasphemy” in the U.S. code, answering affirmatively, “…that Americans who criticize or parody Islam should be put to death.”

    For those whose reading comprehension is challenged:

    58% say criticism of Islam or Muhammad should not be protected under the 1st Amendment

    45% of those say it should be a criminal offense

    12% (of the 58%) say it should be a capital offense

    I am wholly convinced that the Left’s love affair with Islam is centered purely on the Left’s anti-Christian agenda. It is as simple as the enemy-of-my-enemy thinking, never mind that Islam is literally the antithesis of several core liberal tenets. Islam and the Left share one core similarity—an Animal Farm like distribution of resources. There are some pretty creepy similarities between Baltimore/Detroit/DC/etc… and the Palestinian Territories/etc… in how they are managed, how the powerful act, what the powerful say, and the corruption permeating those power structures.

  411. Geller isn’t in it for rights so that part of the discussion is a false path. Whether she should do what she did in TX or whether she should be running the ads she is on the NYC transit system isn’t about exercising free speech it is about purposely exercising hate speech and hoping for a negative result which she can then declare is the norm.

  412. BARACK OBAMA: “That’s why we’ve invested in ideas from support for new moms to summer jobs for young people, to helping more young people afford a college education. That’s why over a year ago we launched something we call My Brother’s Keeper. An initiative to address those persistent opportunity gaps and ensure all of our young people but particularly young men of color have a chance to go as far as their dreams will take them. It’s an idea we pursued in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s death because we wanted the message sent from the White House in a sustained way that his life mattered, that the lives of the young men here today matter, that we care about your future. Not just sometimes but all the time. In every community in America there are young people with incredible drive and talent. And they just don’t have the same kinds of chances that somebody like me had. They are just as talented as me. Just as smart. They don’t get a chance.”

    Translation: Trayvon Martin is just as talented as Barack Obama.

    Agree completely…

  413. Using speech to provoke a reaction and “being in it for the rights” are not inconsistent or exclusive.

  414. Geller isn’t in it for rights so that part of the discussion is a false path

    Of course Geller met to provoke a reaction – so did Patrick Henry and our Founding Fathers. And I believe Geller did just that in spades.

    Actually, Geller goes even further to prove a point that Islam has a problem called Islam, it is a danger and itself is premised upon hatred and domination, and is incompatible with the U.S. set of laws called The Constitution, and that the hatred and deceit of the norm is clearly represented by its leaders, CAIR being the most visible example.

    You better wake the fuck up, Alfie. You’re losing your country and you’re smart enough you ought to recognize the unholy alliance between the Left and Islam – the SPLC an CAIR. There is a reason you don’t understand.

    Consider:

    These Charlie Hebdo types were celebrated for their courage. And noticed how Charlie Hebdo was “We Are Charlie” with a march of millions. Ever wonder why would Charlie Hebdo be celebrated as courageous, but what Pam Geller is deemed hateful? There’s a common denominator and Gorilla has now figured it out like the rest of you secularists must.

    Whether you agree with Geller’s means is irrelevant. I love the fact she’s a loud voice even if I don’t necessarily agree with her methods. I certainly understand her motive.

    Frankly, I wish we had a million men with the guts Geller demonstrates. We wouldn’t have Baltimores of the world but once.

  415. “Geller isn’t in it for rights so that part of the discussion is a false path.,”

    Why, because you say it is?

    What is so hateful about defying people who kill for a cartoon, by drawing said cartoon? Makes perfect sense to me?

    What is so hateful about quoting Hamas to show how insane they are?

  416. I certainly understand her motive.

    Of course you do, she’s a shill for Israel – JUST LIKE YOU! Her ONLY purpose is to demonize Muslims and their faith.

  417. The difference between Geller and Tex is Geller greatly profits from her Islamophobia and Tex is an asshole for free.

  418. It’s a service I offer pro bono to the mentally ill like you, Poolman – especially being you have nothing of worth to offer for my services. 😉 Look at as me taking pity on your pitiful existence.

    And actually, since Geller is already flush with wealth, to the best of my knowledge, she receives nothing for her services, nor needs nothing. I would care to wager she helped with the financing of the “pageant” in Dallas, where they caricatured your friend.

    I am greatly disappointed in your children, however. What must it be like to be trapped in your world where nobody cares enough about you to seek help – the obvious paranoia, the manic, the lack of faculties?

    Perhaps you were abusive or so vile as to be rejected – that’s the best case scenario. Or maybe more tragically, they could be as dysfunctional as you? 😈

  419. I couldn’t help but think of the broken Tool™man and Rutherford when I read these words this morning:

    ‘People must understand that political correctness works like a conspiracy theory. The more vigorously you argue against it, the more its proponents see the need to affirm it. That’s because, under their rules, logic and free speech are tools of oppression, at least when used by non-favored groups.

  420. Pam Geller may be a nasty person, and she may be a bigot, or not. She still provided a service. Geller reinforced our freedom of speech rights. She also showed that Islam, not other religions are the real danger to us.
    A study showed that only 12% of eighth graders are proficient in American history. That pool statistic dovetails with historical misconceptions we see every day.

    For example, blacks blame slavery for their backward inner city culture, when as Tom Sewell wrote, the fault lies in the Great Society and other welfare. The problem is class, not racial. Johnson announced the plan for The Great Society in West Virginia where the majority of people is white.

    White recipients of welfare aren’t faring much better than blacks. Black riots have been more frequent after the sixties, and the crime rate which was falling before rose after the welfare checks poured in.

    Its dangerous that we know so much which isn’t true and even more dangerous that so many of us vote.

  421. “You see, I learned something today. Throughout this whole ordeal, we all wanted to show things that we weren’t allowed to show. But it wasn’t because of some magic goo. It was because of the magical power of threatening people with violence. That’s obviously the only true power. If there’s anything we’ve all learned, it’s that terrorizing people works.

    That’s right. Don’t you see, gingers: If you don’t want to be made fun of any more, all you need are guns and bombs to get people to stop.”

  422. That’s right. Gingers and dumb blonds could unite with bombs and knives. It works for Islam. Let them mock people with brown hair.

    Legal Insurrection tells us that Mosby has already made some mistakes. For one, thing, she declared the arrest to be illegal because Fred’s knife was legal under Maryland law. However, it was illegal under Baltimore’s ordinance.

    A stupid stick hit the mayor and Mosby pretty hard.

  423. I wonder if this discussion on free speech and expression will be remembered the next time someone here tells Poolman what would happen were they to ever meet in the real world.

  424. I’ve always begged poolman to take the next step and be active in his insane war against America. That way I could stomp him.

    But he just blows hot air. Insane hot air, but hot air nonetheless.

    I would disrespect him horribly….if that counts for anything.

    Honestly, I only read 5% of what he writes. He’s a virus.

  425. it is about purposely exercising hate speech and hoping for a negative result which she can then declare is the norm.

    Thank you — yes indeed.

  426. Ever wonder why would Charlie Hebdo be celebrated as courageous, but what Pam Geller is deemed hateful?

    It can be debated whether or not Hebdo was being offensive for the sake of being offensive. That debate does NOT exist with Geller.

  427. Muffy’s comment (in quotes — don’t know why) does raise a major debate about human nature. Are appeals to kindness and compassion as effective as appeals to greed and fear? Is not the fastest path to resolution either to pay someone off or threaten to hurt them? I’m not ready to come down either way yet. It would shatter me to truly believe the latter.

  428. Ehhh no, David — just like you Tigre — can’t discern the difference between acknowledging the protections of the first amendment and using it as a defense for hateful speech.

    Let’s try this again — Geller and her band of ignorant goons can say whatever they want and – God Bless America — they are protected. There is no arguing that. That doesn’t mean that what they say isn’t ignorant and inflammatory.

  429. For all you folks who wax on about your love of the troops, let me ask you a question — in particular Gorilla. How much will you just love Geller and call her a hero if ISIL uses her remarks as excuse to kill a couple dozen of our troops abroad? Yes, I know — they would find any excuse to kill us — but why supply them with a ready-made one?

  430. Further, based on the past actions of the Defense Secretary and CIA director (Petraeus at the time I believe) regarding the Koran burning “minister”, do you think our government is a big fan of Geller? You think they believe her first amendment right is best serving the interests of our country?

  431. “It can be debated whether or not Hebdo was being offensive for the sake of being offensive.”

    Explain to me the deeper meaning of the fucking cartoon Poolman posted in the thread in which you were afraid to post the Hedbo cartoon.

  432. Lol….Rutherford thinks ISIS is on the fence about killing Americans.

    Rutherford, have you seen the winner of the cartoon contest?

  433. I just had the disturbing sequence of thoughts.

    I was going to link the winner of the contest. However, I remembered the Rutherford is public here. Thought about his family and then thought better of posting it.

    It’s a healthy debate. Analyze a cartoon and discuss its merits or lack of.

    And we can’t have it!!!!!

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    At least Charlie Hedbo or whatever the fuck they are called are cool kids in class for liberals and are getting award in New York tonight.

  434. Rutherford, we ALL get you simplistic point. She’s deliberately offending and she has a right but. . . she offends. Got it. You wanting to stand with “bitch deserves whatever she gets ’cause it’s deliberately offensive” crowd is no surprise. You were the STFU Guy when the pizza shop owner’s daughter had the temerity to answer a hypothetical question in a way that hurt no one but you didn’t approve of. The fact that you saw it that is all the proof I needed to see what a cowering pussy you are.

    You’d have no problems at all if it was a draw a pornographic picture of Jesus or tape soiled tampons to a statute of the Virgin Mary get together because one (1) you hate Christianity so you’re not vicariously offended and (2) you know you won’t get you head lopped off for participating. I read somebody that reminded me of the critically acclaimed Book of Mormon production that openly mock Mormonism and had lyrics to song that included “fuck you, God.” None of you liberal media thought leaders seemed to have a problem with it but cower at the consequences of mocking Islam because they’re populist pussies too. And ironically with as much if not more to lose from allowing themselves and others to be censored and silenced.

  435. Alfie was the one that posted the Danish MO on his website as a rebellious “fuck you.” Now he complains about Geller’s motives. That’s bullshit.

  436. “Alfie was the one that posted the Danish MO on his website as a rebellious “fuck you.” Now he complains about Geller’s motives. That’s bullshit. ”

    Indeed it is.

  437. Where you guys get this idea I hate Christianity is beyond me. I consider ALL religions to be drowning in preposterous superstition. That includes Islam. I get no vicarious insult from seeing Mohammed defaced nor do I get a tingle down my leg seeing Jesus defaced.

    FWIW, my memory may be faulty but I think in my comments section of the Charlie Hebdo essay I did link to some of their work. I recall Alfie posting a cross-denominational set of links back then.

    Rabbit, I haven’t seen the winner of the contest. I’ll go look for it. But honestly I doubt my family would be at risk by my linking to it. I don’t exactly have Hebdo’s circulation. 🙂

  438. 1) Alfie’s motives were pretty clear.
    2) Alfie did not habitually post the work of nutjob Robert Spencer.

    I wouldn’t put Alfie and Geller in the same boat.

  439. “1) Alfie’s motives were pretty clear.
    2) Alfie did not habitually post the work of nutjob Robert Spencer.”

    So?

  440. Muffy the archivist keepin’ it real. . . again. 😆 😆 😆

    (that’s when MSNBC was singing a different tune)

  441. I wonder if this discussion on free speech and expression will be remembered the next time someone here tells Poolman what would happen were they to ever meet in the real world.

    Were you referring to me, Huck? 😆 If so, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I just told Tool™man how delighted I would be to show what a 20lbs sledge hammer would do to his skull if I treated it like a tent stake. But, and this is important – remember the context of the discussion.

    You need to remember that was in MY BACKYARD when the Tool insinuated I was old and weak when building my deck. I just want to demonstrate to Tool and YOU, if interested, you underestimate me. 🙂

    I knew the closet Muslim would be in mourning over two of his brothers. You “moderates” need to find another state to fuck with.

  442. It can be debated whether or not Hebdo was being offensive for the sake of being offensive.

    I can’t believe you just typed that. What a fucking stooge you are. The weakest excuse for an apologist I’ve ever met.

    What the fuck do you think Charlie Hebdo was doing that needs debate, dumb ass? 😆 😆

    Tell me you’re not that stupid and that was supposed to be parody.

  443. Muslims derive some of their power through intimidation. If they kill a few blasphemers, they cow the rest of us. I think moderate Muslims hesitate from loud denunciations to avoid being killed.

    The same process works in poor inner cities when thugs frighten witnesses from speaking to the police.

    For that reason, we need more Pam Gellers and Charlie Hebdos. We must assert our resistance to intimidation. We all must be willing to risk our lives to keep our freedoms safe from goat herders who worship a dead man with illusions of divinity. We are at war. If a stupid comment or stunt gets some of our troops killed, we use drones or other soldiers and blow several of them apart.

  444. “It can be debated whether or not Hebdo was being offensive for the sake of being offensive.”

    Rutherford, you are a punk, man. A punk.

    It I find your doppelgänger will you fist fight him?

  445. Muslims derive some of their power through intimidation. If they kill a few blasphemers, they cow the rest of us. I think moderate Muslims hesitate from loud denunciations to avoid being killed. The same process works in poor inner cities when thugs frighten witnesses from speaking to the police.

    For that reason, we need more Pam Gellers and Charlie Hebdos.

    Excellent point, James. The chances of Rutherford, Huck the Apologist, and Tool™man understanding that salient point are nil.

    But I think I would go even farther. With respect to Islam, it is not just some of their power – their entire power structure is based on intimidation and has been since its inception. Mohammad the false prophet had nothing else to offer but war.

  446. Muffy I wrote it and I meant it but I was referring to folks like cartoonists whose mission is also their livelihood. I wasn’t referring to folks who do “stunts” like contests or Koran burning. I just don’t look at Hebdo and Geller the same way. And I PARTLY agree with Trudeau that even Hebdo may have been offensive at times without making a redeeming point.

  447. a dead man with illusions of divinity

    James I’m really surprised at you. Coming from Tex sure but you? Don’t you understand that describes Jesus to many people?

  448. Mohammad the false prophet had nothing else to offer but war.

    Even the most ignorant about Islam (me, for example) know it had a peaceful phase and a bellicose phase. Your distortion of the religion adds nothing to the conversation.

    P.S. I’m referring to Mecca vs Medina and yes I’d have to Google to remember which was which.

  449. Of course, some people regard Jesus in the same way as Muslims think of Mohammed. I was purposely insulting the prophet to express my freedom of speech. If Christians were killing people, I would have written the same thing about Jesus, not because I believed it, but to make a stand.

    God doesn’t give a crap about cartoons or other disrespect. The sensitivity is largely a human, not divine creation.

  450. You need to remember that was in MY BACKYARD when the Tool insinuated I was old and weak when building my deck. I just want to demonstrate to Tool and YOU, if interested, you underestimate me. 🙂

    Your backyard? I thought we had a conversation here at the bar and grill. I do recall giggling about you working on your deck with your “20” pounder and you telling of being worn out and feeling old. I told you to protect your knees, dimwit. You never did much sledging if never experienced a shattered piece of concrete catching your knee or shin. Yeah, you got bad knees and hefting a sledge impacts the knees big time. What a goober 😛

  451. “Muffy I wrote it and I meant it but I was referring to folks like cartoonists whose mission is also their livelihood.”

    You WEASLE. That’s weaseliest, weasel-mouthed, weasel salad ever typed.

    Do you have a center?

  452. There are some good cartoons there…really legitimate commentar

    It’s the most offensive thing you cant print to the people who crucify children, burn people alive on reality TV shows and make mass head lopping vids.

    Its basically the most offensive thing to those people.

    People who actually control a huge swath of land.

    People who killed a bunch of little boys because they were watching soccer.

    Many of those cartoons are directly related to freedom of speech (or lack of).

    It’s bad enough we won’t fight ISIS. Now we can’t even rip on them.

    The Charlie Hedbo drawing was different how?

  453. I’m going to walk back my comments slightly. I’ve been judging this by its ringleader, a truly vile bigot. Some of these cartoons, like the winning one aim to express, not to offend.

  454. Even the most ignorant about Islam (me, for example) know it had a peaceful phase and a bellicose phase

    Can you tell me about that peaceful phase? Or is this another one you’re too lazy to look? 😐

    You’re full of shit demagoguing about shit you know nothing about (as usual).

  455. Is Detroit Islam’s #1,427 holiest site? I forget – there are so many.

    I’ll give you one thing, Rutherford. You share a great many things with Islam. No wonder you have such a close allegiance.

    But the closest association I can find as example is your outrage is directed at Pam Geller while actively covering for two jihadists. You are serious one of the most screwed up people I’ve ever conversed with – in many ways, a complete imbecile. No wonder you’re wrong about practically everything.

    We ought to be celebrating the death of two jihadists. But since political ideology is your religion, somehow you think siding with radicals is pious and will score you points with the demagogues at MSNBC.

    Seriously, seriously screwed up.

  456. “Were you referring to me, Huck? 😆 If so, you’re barking up the wrong tree.”

    I didn’t mention any names, and yours wasn’t even one I had in mind. If you think it applies to you then there’s probably a reason why. That’s your problem.

    “I knew the closet Muslim would be in mourning over two of his brothers.”

    Yeah, because I specifically defended those actions in my comment.

    If this is the quality of your deductive reasoning then I think we’re all glad you dropped out of med school.

  457. You never did much sledging if never experienced a shattered piece of concrete catching your knee or shin.

    Or maybe I’ve never shattered a piece of concrete into my knee because (1) Mine don’t shatter like some little girl – the concrete splits; (2) Unlike you, I’m smart to distance myself from the sledge and not hit myself in the back of the head or ass with the back swing.

    Damn, I’ll bet you’re dangerous to work beside. The thought of you on heavy equipment is too terrifying to contemplate. Tell me you’re really the guy leaning on the shovel staring at the dark hole and not the operator?

  458. I’m so amazed Tex that you equate questioning Geller’s motives and wisdom with defending two jihadists. You TRULY cannot hold two ideas in your head at once.

  459. If this is the quality of your deductive reasoning then I think we’re all glad you dropped out of med school

    Well Huck, there is one thing we don’t need to speculate about. I made into med school, second career.

    That would include a spin through physics, chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemistry, all facets of biology and then a reasonably intense interview process with people about several million times more intelligent than you.

    Naturally with your unfamiliarity of any of these, I doubt you haven’t the foggiest of what deductive reasoning actually means or how it might apply, thereby at least in part explaining your profound ignorance of anything that might require a smidgen of critical thinking.

    Do you really want to argue educational credentials yet again and storm away spanked, red assed and angry? If so, line up for ass kickings.

    Sorry Huck, I don’t find your personal history credible or particularly valid to be a judge of much of anything – lest it be your lust for admittance to the U.N. Human Rights Council of Iran. But the one thing that has become rather obvious from the start is your talent most certainly doesn’t lie in deductive reasoning, inductive reasoning or statistical syllogism.

    ‘Sall Allhu ʿAlay-Hi Wa-sallam,’ sport. 😉

  460. See this: You TRULY cannot hold two ideas in your head at once.

    Apparently, this is the only idea you can hold in your head. We must be nearing at least half a dozen times you using that same line in one thread alone. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  461. I keep using the line because it applies. You jumping from my thinking that Geller is a world class asshole to the conclusion that jihadists are cool shows at the very least that your world boils down to good vs evil. You can’t seem to get evil and more evil. The violence of the jihadists doesn’t make Geller virtuous. She’s scum and so are they.

    I’m a bit surprised you didn’t come more to the defense of Elric back in the day. The only thing that separates you is you don’t have a penchant for dropping constant anti-Islamic link-bombs (usually featuring the fine work of Spencer).

  462. Rutherford here is an albeit cherry picked line from the contests entry rules.
    …in criticism of and mockery of Muhammad and the belief system and ideology that underlies global jihad terrorism.
    I didn’t do the picking btw.

  463. As for Alfie and his motives etc.
    I’ll do my best to explain my position on this. First and foremost I have absolutely no respect for Geller or Spencer. Wilders is a guy running the razors edge in my opinion as he always falls back on the law at least and that is something I truly appreciate. Europes assimilation woes are real and need to be addressed.
    I think there is a line,and a pretty clear one between sharp editorial and talking shit. Even the crudest “omg it looks like it was drawn by a two year old” offering can have symbolism and context that moves you. A poster that simply shouts “Fuck You”! not so much.

    The events ad that copied Norman Rockwell’s famous self portrait is the one I liked the best. The spirit behind Bosch Fawstins winning entry is strong and speaks well to the premise of free speech and the mocking of silly taboo’s. If I were a judge I’d have given it the #2 spot.
    Fawstins body of work otherwise though is all about islamophobia and that context takes something away for me.

    The Charlie Hebod publication was always seen as a joke and essentially trash until the attack. Then it became a symbol that fit France’s secularist francophile national policy agenda. CH also excoriated the other Abrahammics. I found the cartoon @ CH of the Prophet being beheaded by ISIL a very worthy satirical and political statement. It was that spirit and context I supported with my post back then.
    As for the infamous Danish Mo toon I have posted that as well since I’ve always felt the spirit of that cartoon focused on islamist violence. I get how fools can be offended that their “prophet” is lampooned but I always believed they should’ve been more offended by how the nuts made the toon represent a truth.

    So back to Garland TX. I simply don’t believe Geller when she speaks about free speech. She is all about hate and I find her vile because she strikes me as the type of person that brings an air horn to a mountain top and blames everyone else for the resulting avalanche.
    The other facts on the ground in Texas are that a pro-Islam event at the same site had better attendance by 600-800 people.The previous event is possibly the reason Geller chose it. Muslims in TX ignored Gellers event and for the most part so didn’t everyone else. Texas recognizes they have some issues regards their newest demographic block,some of those issues are positive or neutral and yes some are negative. Overwhelmingly Texas is asserting the rule of law as it should.

    Should cartoonists be at risk for loss of life? Of course not. I also posted on how Trudeau is a douche so I don’t subscribe to only “punching up” or avoiding subjects. I do recognize though that we live in a world where a black guy walking down the street gets called nigger,a girl in a mini skirt gets called a slut and a gay guy gets rocks and epithets thrown at him. So I say to everyone…keep walking down that street because you have a right to. As a society we all will deal with the consequences. To that end….
    I have a blog acquaintance who voted for the truly best drawing from the event. He chose the chalk outline of the two nut bags. I find the symbolism of that one to be powerful as well. As crude as some may find it there is a degree of testimonial to it.

  464. The right to critique the work or its creator is an a fortiori to the rights to make the statement in the first place, offensive or not. There really is no murkiness. Whether you hate the speakers, their motives, what they stand for, or the message conveyed when it doesn’t appeal to your sensibilities is a different discussion. If Geller wants to poke Islamists rather than cower, than I say “good.” Fuck ’em. It’s her right, this is America damn it, it’s a simple as that.

    Now let’s get back to some real speech from real people with real grievances and burn, loot and riot.