I’m on Vacation – Talk Amongst Yourselves

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589 thoughts on “I’m on Vacation – Talk Amongst Yourselves

  1. What’s with the egg? Using the word “dally” doesn’t bother me but watching the social media spend time on “is it yellow/white or blue/black” really bothers me.

  2. Ah. The on-your-honor system while you’re Old Lady drags you to the Opera.

    Thanks.

    Now turn your damned phone off and have fun. You’re in Miami. Go have some Cuban and Mojito. The people watching is great.

  3. I like Miami but hate the summer mosquitoes. We saw five water spouts which came on land near Key West. People watching is great, but so are the summer water spouts.

  4. Rutherford, you’re a good egg. Scrambled, but good. Anybody that would make a new post for us turds while on vacation, I’m going to give a 24 reprieve from badmouthing. 😛

  5. It’d be good for Rutherford to kick off his orthopedics and sink his toes in the sand. He should experience pounding surf and wheeze salty air. He’s probably never done it. Take my advice, Rutherford, if you’re still checking in. Put the devices down and live a real day at the beach. Better wear sunscreen though, since you’re a shade below albino. 😛

    Is somebody gonna eat that last egg?

  6. About the egg: carton had one left and sat too close to the cooling element of the fridge. When I opened the lid, the top of the shell came right off leaving a frozen yolk and albumen sitting in the bottom half of shell. I found it so odd looking that I took a pic and posted it to Facebook.

    Yes, that is why some people abhor Facebook: because oddballs like me post weird trivial shit like that.

  7. I think someone else sat too close to the cooling element. 😛 Here, I’ll show you how to crack some eggs.

  8. You’re in Miami. Go have some Cuban and Mojito. The people watching is great.

    Well thanks for the advice but we’re waaay north of Miami. We spent Saturday in Saint Petersburg, near Tampa. We’re spending Sunday at Disneyworld and then driving home Monday. Will probably stay in Nashville Monday night.

    I’ll be sure to give El Tigre’s cousin Tigger my regards if I see him.

  9. Damn. I thought you were stopping in St. Petersburg on your way to Miami. That ain’t warm enough. But St. Petersburg is good too. I probably get down that way annually on my way further south.

    My advice is the same. 😆

    At least your daughter gets to the head of lines at Disney if you’ve got the mobility chair. She’ll love it. Hell, I love Disney. Never went as a kid and sure wish I had. Boy oh boy do they know how to separate you from your money though.

  10. Rutherford, didn’t you go to St Petersburg for a gymnastic tournament? Was this a regional or national tournament and how did your daughter do?

    I love Disney. Did you get a MagicBand?

  11. Never went as a kid either. But then, my father wasn’t a big believer in “vacations.” 😆

    Been five times as an adult. And the best time I ever had was with a buddy on a business trip just about this time of the year, off season, where it was so empty (is there is such a thing at Disney) that we rode Space Mountain (it seemed it was fairly new at the time), got off and walked around to ride it again without waiting but a minute or two.

    I can tell you Christmas of 2012, the last time I was there, is their busiest time of year and the only thing I enjoyed was ogling Cinderella, the food, the Christmas lights especially on the castle, and petting a massive male giraffe at Animal Kingdom – though I’m not sure I was supposed to be doing that.

  12. Your trip reminds me of my life before I left home.

    My father was like George Baily He wanted to do great things and to see the world. Our family believed in education and they sent my father’s sisters to college. They needed my father on the farm and kept asking him to put off his education for just one year, just like George Baily.. Unlike George, my dad saved his money and announced that he was off to college. He and his friend drove a Model T to Ames. He worked odd jobs including a stint at an international fair in Minneapolis to pay his way.

    Later, he bought an early Harley Davidson motorcycle and commuted from college to home. My father graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering and while his lab partner looked for a building in Wisconsin for them to start their business, a car hit and killed his father My grandmother contemplated selling the farm. My great aunt was horrified. One of my father’s sisters was still in high school, and one had graduated from college. The other two were still in college.

    Like George who stayed home, my father abandoned his dreams and farmed to take care of his mother and sisters. The Dust Bowl and Great Depression nearly took the land. My father’s sisters like the towns people who saved George rescued the farm by sending half of their pay checks to keep the farm running and to make the refinanced mortgage payments.

    The farm was my father’s prison, his own personal hell .He hated his life, but as he told my brother,” sometimes things don’t work out .” He didn’t talk much, and I only heard him swear once. Unlike my mother, he never struck me. My father served in local offices and developed a reputation as a brilliant man. When he did talk, people listened. After his death, a neighbor told me “Your dad was a special man. If he told you something, you knew it was the truth.” He was one of the toughest men I ever met. I did some of the dangerous things in the service because I was afraid I might disappoint him though he had no clue of what was happening.

    When August came, it didn’t matter if all of the work was done or not. It was time for my father to escape the prison he had made for himself. The first day of each trip was the longest. It was as if my father feared something around home would pull him back into its snare. We left before daybreak. It was normal for us to drive 700 to 900 miles in a day. We stopped to eat once and didn’t eat again until late at night when we had found a motel. We carried and cooked our own food.

    We visited all but five of the fifty states and all of the southern Canadian provinces. We visited multiple times and managed to traverse most major highways of each state and province. MY dad was exuberant and radiated happiness. Traveling with my parents was pure joy. Even at 89, my father drove most of the way to Winnipeg in one long day.

    I envy you Rutherford as I read your excitement from our self- imposed prison. Our grand daughter is worth it, though. Don’t waste it.

  13. Raji it wasn’t a national tournament per se. It was just hosted by the Tampa Bay club and Naperville Gymnastics chose to compete. There were some other clubs outside the region too.

    Kid did well. Came in second all around in her age group. Her best score for the day was a 9.6 on beam which shocked us because it’s her worst event usually.

    And yes I’m wearing my magic band as I write this. 🙂

  14. This speech, one of the better political ones I’ve heard in a long time from perhaps the straightest shooter in the Conservative Party, is going to smoke many an ass – including a whole bunch of establishment Republicans. If you’re interested and don’t need the pomp, skip to the 6:00 minute mark. It will be a good 20 minutes.

    While the harshest words are for King Obama, perhaps the best words are for the Jeb Bush types; they aren’t going to like it any better than the Obama lackeys.

    I’m getting to the point, I listen to Bolton, Levin and Krauthammer almost exclusively anymore for politic. I don’t know if that is good or bad, but they seem to hold my world view closer than the rest of the shills.

  15. Congrats to your daughter, bartender. You’re a good dad for doing that – and your daughter’s memories of the trip will stay with her for a lifetime.

  16. Congratulations to your daughter. A 9.6 is fabulous and aren’t you a proud daddy that she can do so well so far from home.

  17. Wow….thats awesome.

    She really tries at this gymnastics stuff.

    My 5 year old says he’s interested in doing it just to be better at wrestling and sports as a whole. I know that gymnastics taught young translates great in coordination later on in different sports.

    Rutherford, is it all girls?

  18. What an exclamation point on the disastrous Obama presidency: A nuclear Iran and a Sunni-Shiite nuclear arms race in the middle east.

    Drudge is linking to a story that claims Obama threatened Israeli aircraft.

    Now keep in mind, not letting Iran become a nuclear power was Obama’s objective at the start. Even NPR is shocked at just how much the administration has collapsed on this.

  19. @ dead rabbit,
    Threats against the Israelis have not been limited to the USA. The Saudis have issued a warning although there are those who believe that warning is tied to the USA as well.
    Back in 2006 the French were seconds away from launching ADA missiles at an IAF F15 over southern Lebanon.
    The Israelis are free to engage in their versions of self defense and other nations are free to do the same.
    People who support Israels “right” to attack Iran are idiots since the war it invariably unleashes won’t be limited to between Tehran and Tel Aviv. They are also blatant hypocrites regards who can and who can’t violate other nations airspace.
    The Drudge link story and its Pavlovian response is something that should concern Americans. Not for whether Obama is a secret Shiite agent of doom but more so that American policy must always be decided by and for the best interests of Americans.

  20. Alfie,

    I think it worth pointing out Iran has already violated “Israeli” air space and has been doing so for almost 70 years now by proxy and precedent, by way of Hamas and Hezbollah, amongst other thug groups.

    What is the more egregious sin?

    To fly over an independent country’s declared territory, such as Russia has been apt to do of late with respect to U.S. declaration? Or to shoot thousands of missiles into sovereign country’s territory in the hope to cause as much mass carnage as possible? Don’t you believe if Vlad suddenly decided launch an ICBM into Anchorage, that we might think we would then be validated to fly into Russian airspace?

    Interesting that you would use France to justify your argument. 32 years ago, Israel under widespread global condemnation, eliminated Saddam Hussein’s nuclear reactors without warning. Of course, 32 years later, you don’t hear much in the way of Israel being condemned about blowing a megalomaniac’s reactors to hell.

    And who was it that provided the “peace loving” Saddam Hussein with the ability to produce weapons grade produce?

    France…

  21. Many of the threats against Israelis are made from actual Israelis.

    This has proved true time and again. There are dozens of incidents in the news where the perpetrator was actually found to be Jewish. The gain power and political points by maintaining victim status. If they are not being threatened, they will create a threat to gain public sympathy and political capital. Many expertly practice deflection and misdirection. Once you are aware of that, your world view will need to change.

    The present ISIS lightning war in Iraq is the creation of an illusion to initiate the fulfillment of a pre-planned agenda of the West in close alliance with Israel to redraw the map of the entire region as the “New Middle East.” This is the Yinon Plan at work, which aims at the balkanisation of the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) Region into smaller and weaker entities or states in order to ensure the dominant position of Israel in the region and the control of its oil, gas and water resources by the US-Israel nexus. In the process of balkanisation, the facets of ethnicity, religion and race from within the region are engaged for destruction, causing alarm for the UN and international military intervention to “protect innocent civilians,” thus paving the way for the ultimate achievement of the designed goals of creating the “New Middle East.”

    The chaos, destruction and devastation caused by the ISIS in its process of establishing the Sunni Islamic Caliphate in Iraqi and Syrian territories is the realisation of the intended policy of the US and the West to change public perception that the “War on Terror” was never a war waged by the West against Islam but a “war within Islam” along religious, ethnic and sectarian lines in the Islamic world. The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham’s Sunni Caliphate project coincides with a longstanding US agenda to carve up both Iraq and Syria into three separate territories: A Sunni Islamist Caliphate, an Arab Shiia Republic, and a Republic of Kurdistan.

    http://www.thedailystar.net/the-yinon-plan-and-the-role-of-the-isis-31469

  22. Serious question. How many Israeli victims have been killed or injured from the alleged ‘thousands of missiles’ coming into Israel? I don’t even think there exists a dozen picture proofs that these supposed ‘missiles’ even exist. Israeli Iron dome is a smoke and mirrors device with no proof it does anything except simulate defense. Smoke and mirrors is all it takes to convince the peeps.

  23. Lebanon to Israel rocketry does not compare to overflights by manned aircraft.
    The recent Russian “Bear” flights have not at any time violated what is viewed as airspace. They have on occasion near Alaska and the UK entered the air defense zones (ADIZ) that the “host” countries expect flights to identify themselves.The law only applies to commercial flights however and the US military does not recognize any other countries ADIZ variants.
    As for an attack with ICBM the comparison is absurd for the most part since it marks a hostile act of war. Using your logic though Saudi Arabia and Jordan were well within their rights to attack Israel in response.
    As for me using France in my “defense” I din’t I stated a fact that UN peacekeepers in Lebanon were threatened by Israeli assets and almost launched against them.
    France did indeed supply Iraq with the nuclear reactor technology. In some corners people think Sadaam learned this from the Israelis. The far more important line is whether the attack truly benefitted the world. I think the contemporaries of the time believed it was a bad thing because it ultimately helped Iran. I think that plays as well today.
    I’m not trying to get on some anti-Zionist nut case horse here. All I’m about is that just because something is connected to Israel in some way that doesn’t mean its kosher!

  24. How many Israeli victims have been killed or injured from the alleged ‘thousands of missiles’ coming into Israel?

    Don’t know. But why would it matter if only one person had been killed? Does that somehow justify missile attacks? By proportion? If I did look it up, it wouldn’t convince you. You would call it J Street propaganda.

    All I know is in your book, if it’s bad, it’s Israel. And if it is Israel, it is accompanied by the patsies in the U.S. acting for Israel. That conclusion is as predictable as the sun rising.

    What I haven’t quite figured out yet is what motivates your Jew hating. Whatever it is, I wish you called yourself something other than Christian. The motivated lies, conspiracy and distortions of history are disturbing. But the fact you say these things in the same sentence as my faith is frankly an embarrassment and disgrace. You’re no more Christian than Judas and no more peacemaker than Goebbels.

    I have debated here with all types: Atheists, agnostics, secular Leftists, even those I believe Muslim appeasers and sympathizers. However, you’re the only one I find truly of the devil. Ironic that my instincts tell me there is far more to the motivation behind your contempt than simple ignorance.

  25. “Lebanon to Israel rocketry does not compare to overflights by manned aircraft”.

    Well Alfie, I suppose that’s what puts me in the ” idiot” camp.

    Can you imagine the collective, trembling shit your beloved New England would leak all over itself on the horrible sound of the alarms alone? Forget the rockets!

  26. rabbit the comparison is about international law and sovereign rights.Let me know when Iran is directly responsible for as much as a pebble falling on Israel and we can have that discussion then.
    I have not written anywhere where I think Israel is outside its rights to attack Hezbollah/Hamas sites that target Israelis.
    As for my beloved New England we hosted Nike sites during the Cold War and bravely existed in a known ground zero locale…ya know as opposed to having a shack in the woods where we could go and yell “Wolverines”!

  27. Lol…Yeah….let’s just say “stoic” isn’t a word I would use to describe Boston after the Marathon bombing.

  28. I have nothing against Jews or any tribe or creed. You have a huge blind spot in that regard, Tex, and I cannot remove it. Plenty of the links I include are Jewish origin or authored. I respect them as I do any people. Their contribution and talent have shaped our collective in tremendous ways.

    What I do dislike are liars, war makers, terror instigators, and bullies of any flavor. I hate those who think others are only here to serve their need. They cheapen all of life. The ones who think they deserve the very best regardless of any consequence to others. That is how I see Bibi and his Zionist state of Israel with its ongoing land grab and historical bad treatment of the Palestinians. Born of terror. Refuses to define its borders and intent, while not playing by the same rules all other nations are expected to. How is it you define pariah state?

    That is why I am obviously not a fan and will continually speak out against policy that supports that behavior and agenda. You can label it whatever you want, but that is how I see it.

  29. Frankly, my “blind spot” tells me you’re one of the most contemptible people I’ve ever read and an incredibly transparent liar to boot.

    Your passive form of sheer evil is still evil.

  30. Sofia and Kristian, a Finish singer. Sofia is wearing a sun ring to ward off evil spirits. Bibi should be wearing one when he makes his speech. The last of the song is a commercialized version of a shamanistic chant called a joik. That might help him too.

    “What I do dislike are liars, war makers, terror instigators, and bullies of any flavor. I hate those who think others are only here to serve their need. They cheapen all of life.” Poolman.

    “When will the government start respecting us? When we are already gone? I don’t want my children to read about me in a museum…I’d like to see a change before I leave this earth. and I’m not the only one.” Sofia Jannok.

    You, Poolman, and Sofia Jannok appear to agree about the dangers we face. So does Ben Domenech linked in Betsy’s Page.

    Practically speaking, today’s left finally has the situation it wants: a sufficiently progressive president in his second term, is in effect an unchecked dictator. The only checks and balances the constitution provides are money, nominations, and impeachment. The political and media climate have removed impeachment as a viable option, nomination disruption is a pathetic response to a president committed to Caesarism.”

    Our aspiring dictator has meddled in Israel’s affairs for years. Obama wants an accommodation with Israel’s enemies as he does with ours. He thinks an apology and friendly words will fix our problems. Netanyahu feels differently. He is coming to Washington because Obama has left him no choice. Therefore, he is meddling in our political affairs as Obama has meddled in Israel’s

    I’m not sure he should have come to embroil his version of politics with our duel parties’ but he did.

    Our greatest danger is not Bibi’s speech, it is Obama, and the “passive form of sheer evil which gave him power when people like you, Rutherford, grannies and others voted for him..

  31. You are correct James. In 2008 I did help put Obama in office. If you remember, McCain was the alternative. I assume you voted for him and Palin. We have McCain on record pandering to ‘terrorists’, even pictured with current heads of IS.

    According to Rand Paul, the CIA funded ISIS creating the situation we find ourselves in today.

    I am not always in agreement with Rand and don’t fully trust him, but he makes better sense than the bulk of our so called legislators.

    I truly believe we would no longer exist as a nation had we put McCain in power 6 years ago with his amateurish ‘bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran’ rant and warmonger attitude. Of course we will never know. But there are few people presently sucking air on this planet I detest more than McCain.

  32. Your passive form of sheer evil is still evil.

    :facepalm: Bliss Tex, unawares, displaying

    the devil sign.

    He can’t kabbalah and thinks it introduced via the holy media to bless. Still under the spell of disney…

  33. You did see the light, Poolman You didn’t make the same mistake twice. Kudos to you. Your perspicacity was superior to most by the next election.

    However, McCain for all of his bad qualities would have been a better president than Obama. He was not a socialist, He would not have torn down this country to rebuild it into a foreign inspired edifice He may have had hateful qualities, but had you read what I read before the 2008 election you would have voted for Donald Duck before Obama.

    We shouldn’t vote for against people because of their personalities unless their emotional traits are relevant to the quality of work they can do.

  34. I think McCain a suck up and weak. I won’t go beyond that and spoil my day.

    It’s raining here, James. 51 on the back patio, but the humidity makes it feel warmer. We’re getting a lot of snow in the high country. It’s been a wet season for us desert dwellers. Since they are

    engineering the weather,

    we are going to be more tropical as so cal is systematically drought out.

  35. Thanks Poolman. It is 23 and cloudy here. Our deep winter may soon be ending as the pattern changes.

    Your rain is part of our next storm which is coming together. We should have freezing rain and sleet tonight with a quick change to an inch or so of snow with near blizzard conditions and 45 MPH wind. Temperatures will plunge during the day. It will be similar to the small storm which hit us last Wednesday.

    The first spring-like weather should be here by the end of the week and we may see forties and fifties for the next two weeks at least.

    ISU extension climatologists Elywnn Taylor said the Southwest is entering a period of long-term dry weather. Paleontologists discovered that it the southern plains were so dry five thousand years ago that Indians and buffalo vacated. They also learned that during the past ten thousand years, 40% of the time was too harsh for prehistoric technology to support people in the southern plains. They believe the southern plains will also get dryer. As one man said “this is as good as it gets.”

    You are right, A change is coming for a lot of thirsty people in your neighborhood.

  36. He can’t kabbalah and thinks it introduced via the holy media to bless. Still under the spell of disney…

    Still under the spell of utterly stupid and totally depraved – and apparently content to die that way. Got anything else, Joooo hater and whacko? Get back to your engineered weather, dip.

  37. Hey Tigre, geography question. When we were going from TN to GA through a mountain range we went briefly from TN to GA and back to TN again. What’s up with that? I looked at a map and it doesn’t explain it to me.

  38. Those bastards are trying to steal our land again. Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be back in a few days. . . .

  39. Actually, your map may not be detailed enough. Route 24 dips back into Georgia before turning back North and West. It’s a short stretch after you pass through Chattanooga. It fooled me the first time too.

    Good place to pick up a couple of spoons for your collection, and a “Free Moustache Rides” t-shirt.

    Three-Fingered Lou’s has the best fireworks in the State. Ask for the stuff under the counter. 😉

  40. And I’d put her to the curb if I found out from someone that passes through the kitchen that it looked like that.

  41. Hey, I’ve got a tip on stove tops – something that actually works you can find on the internet. It’s a miracle!

    Our stove top is approaching 20 years old. Between kids bubbling over the mac & cheese and mom bubbling over the lasagna, then running the burner, the stove grates were a wreck – looked like something at the Waffle House I told my mean wife. And since I’m pestering mom to simply gut this kitchen and start over, I guess she got desperate to stop my bitching, complaining, smart ass mouth, and general whining.

    I’ve tried cleaning these grates with everything short of industrial strength nasty stuff. Didn’t work.

    So Mom puts our stove grates into a Ziploc Bag with ammonia and let’s them sit in the garage for 24 hours – not to soak; just to let the fumes work their magic. I thought the suggestion was full of chit like other things I’ve tried off the internet.

    Damn if the things didn’t come out looking darn near new. Maybe I’ll stick the house in a giant ammonia bag. 😈

  42. Like Chatty Kitchen II for Poolman. 😛 And since the Libbies here aren’t smart enough to know better, don’t try this with your electric burners. LOL

    But if you decide not to take Tex’s good advice, make sure to leave the plug in while cleaning. 😈

  43. 😆 This is like hints from Heloise.

    I can’t stand the smell of ammonia. That is certainly one effective way to repel poolman. When I clean the kitchen it’s a full on effort. It’s actually therapeutic for me. I love a clean kitchen. But then I can trash it pretty fast when I get to preparing a meal.

    The fridge, stove, cabinets, walls, and floor are taken into account. I don’t ever use the dishwasher, preferring to soak and scrub by hand with hot soapy water. We have one of those glass top electric stoves that I am not crazy about. I know there are better ones than the one we have, but this was in the rent house already when we moved in. It took some practice with better pots and pans to achieve good result.

    I remember working a summer at Burger King in the 70’s where we would disassemble the ‘grill’ every night and drop it in a tank of lye till the morning crew came in to set up. That generally did a good job of stripping any nasty off of it.

  44. “Oh wait, I make my wife do that.” I don’t MAKE my wife do anything. If I did, I would attend my funeral.

    My won’t MAKE me do anything either. We are both first borns. A television psychologist once observed that two oldest childrens’ marrying is like putting two cats in a gunny sack.

    I read on line that children who grow up in a house with out a dishwasher have fewer alergies.

    Dogs don’t remember what happened yesterday.

  45. I like BiBi’s speech. Someone on Twitchy posted two pictures- one of Obama smoking a joint and one of a younger bibi in combat gear.

  46. James, I don’t make my wife do anything either. I have learned how to keep the peace. We are also both first borns. It has been an interesting ride.

  47. “Your joke left an opening for me.”

    So long as you don’t post a Sofia What’s-Her-Bucket video, that’s cool.

  48. “Hillary is toast. She exclusively used her PERSONAL email for state dept business.”

    This is a nothing-burger unless one already dislikes her.

    You folks don’t care about accountability and how there are laws set up to enforce it. It took a guy 2 weeks to find find IRS emails that you all said didn’t exist after sending a blind man to find them. This entire administration has circumvented accountability since day 1. And you’ve called it a nothing-burger for the last 6 years.

    Who is toast is your pal Chris Christie. He polled 51% unfavorable rating in his own state.

  49. Maybe I’ll stick the house in a giant ammonia bag. 😈

    Oh God I hear you there brother. My apartment is a breeding ground for every germ known to man. Between my wife, my kid and me, one of us is sick about once every 4 to 6 weeks and then the remaining two drop like a couple of dominoes.

    I need a fucking hazmat crew to come in and do cleanup. Sometimes a couple gets lucky and one actually likes housework. No such luck with me. I clean up after myself and that’s about it. The kid thinks the default place for everything is the floor. And my wife just doesn’t have the energy.

    Things finally get cleaned up when my wife reaches her limit and can’t stand the mess anymore.

    When I could afford it, I had maid service once a month. Holy shit how the mighty have fallen!

  50. Fuck the GOP. The pandering sell-outs may as well call themselves what they are—Republocrats.

    The party no longer represents me or the things that are important to me. I’m done defending them and I’m done voting for them. From here on out I am more than just an Independent in name only.

  51. Ha Ha El Tigre. Music is one way I have of blowing off steam when our rulers do something which angers me. I post what I like, and I assume someone will be retching over my lack of musical taste. Then, I know whomever will share my disgust if only for another reason. Its fun for me, and I like your comments.

    I got much of my 10 to 13% Asian genes from the Fins and the Sami like Sofia, so I am partial to those people. Detractors call her a Mongoloid Mongrel, sort of like calling Obama half- breed.

    She hates Obama and progressives, so I like her.

  52. I agree Huck, with these exceptions. A conservative wing of the Republican party wants to do the right thing, but the leadership and other trash constrain them so far.

    Voting for independents without a chance of winning is throwing your vote away. Our choice is between socialist fascists who want to install a dictator or clueless mental midgets who are so afraid of Democrats they will roll over like dogs.
    Until the voters clean house, we will be stuck with awful choices, but the neutered Republicans are still better than what Sofia Jannok has called “rapacious dictators.” I’m not telling you what to do.

  53. “Voting for independents without a chance of winning is throwing your vote away.”

    I live in California. Need I say more?

  54. Two thirds of the House Republicans voted against the bill. Democrats made it pass.

    Our son and daughter in law also live in California. You don’t need to say any more, Huck.

  55. I live in California. Need I say more?

    Unfortunately for me and unfortunately for the nation, some of the best Conservatives in the nation are in California about 30 miles off that coast line. Problem is, they are outnumbered 3-2.

  56. “This is a nothing-burger unless one already dislikes her.”

    As I was saying….

    Long story, short. Obama WH says this is a nothing-burger.

  57. Remember when Barack Obama was deemed the man to usher in world peace with the magnetism of his personal greatness?

    We’re a long ways down the road from Mr. Hope & Change. 😈

    “I will conclude by saying the following: Since Obama is the godfather of the prefabricated revolutions in the Arab world, and since he is the ally of political Islam, which is the caring mother of all the terrorist organizations, and since he is working to sign an agreement with Iran that will come at the expense of the U.S.’s longtime allies in the Gulf, I am very glad of Netanyahu’s firm stance and his decision to speak against the nuclear agreement at the American Congress despite the Obama administration’s anger and fury. I believe that Netanyahu’s conduct will serve our interests, the people of the Gulf, much more than the foolish behavior of one of the worst American presidents.” – The Saudi daily Al-Jazerah

  58. I’ve been super busy of late.

    Am I reading this right?

    Did Hillary use unsecured email for classified information over and over again? Like fucking Yahoo?

    Face palm

    Rutherford might be right.

    And holy crap….why? Wtf?

  59. The Saudi daily Al-Jazerah extolling the virtues of the Jewish Prime Minister….

    Obama’s dystopia is too much….

  60. DR, Hilary had her own server

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A congressional committee investigating the terror attacks on a U.S. mission in Libya was expected as early as Wednesday to subpoena the emails of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who used a private account exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — and used a computer email server now traced back to her family’s New York home.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails

  61. one of Obama smoking a joint and one of a younger bibi in combat gear.

    I’ll take the pot smoker any day.

    Pot smoker is into peace maaaan.
    Dude in combat gear isn’t sufficiently into keeping others out of war. He views war as solution cos that’s all he knows.

    Toke a joint, plant a flower, maaaan.

  62. Rutherford might be right.
    And holy crap….why? Wtf?

    I am now in the minority opinion that she will not run. She makes her own rules and oppo research will uncover so much shit that she will decide it’s not worth it.

    I’m hearing the Clinton non-profit received foreign gov money while she was SoS. Not supposed to happen.

    The one factoid that I’ve heard that confuses me is “John Kerry is the first SoS with a state dept email account”. If so, how widespread was use of personal accounts prior to HRC?

    But get a load of this horseshit…the excuse being used by HRC handlers is that email sent to foreign leaders got saved on THEIR servers.

    WTF???? That’s like my saying I don’t backup my local email cos I assume everyone I write to will save the notes I send them.

    Rabbit initially threw some sarcasm my way on this but I’m dead serious. This boggles the mind. And if the motive was to give her plausible deniability by not being able to trace her correspondence, it’s unethical up the wazoo.

    One last thing … wasn’t Drudge or Fox that aired this. It was the NYT. If liberal papers are going after her already, like I said, she’s toast.

  63. DR, Hilary had her own server

    OMFG. Even worse. We’ve got classified data on her “server” in her basement? The more it gets “explained” the worse it sounds.

    Be happy boys and girls. The Dems have no bench. If HRC implodes, the next President will be a Republican.

  64. It’s because there is no bench that this will be overlooked. The defense has already started.

    I’m telling you, nobody is going to give a shit about this. They didn’t care when it was the IRS doing it to hide its suppression of voices from the right, they sure as hell aren’t going to care about the Sec. of State doing it.

    This won’t convince anyone who hasn’t already made up their mind.

    Now what might convince people is this jackass Ben Carson, who says prison sex is proof that homosexuality is a choice. While there is certainly a worthy debate on that topic, it sure as hell isn’t decided by citing prison sex.

  65. I agree. As much as it should piss people off, it won’t.

    If there was an ounce of decency on the left, the IRS scandal would have caused bipartisan outrage. The stonewalling was laughable.

    There is no way the media and the left will truly go after Clinton.

    Besides, ultimately, this is just as much about Obama as it is Clinton. As if the administration didn’t know virtually all traffic, including classified shit, was going through Clinton’s rogue home brew.

    Hell….wouldn’t surprise me if Obama wanted it that way. He’s a huge fucking liar.

    The only thing that could bring Clinton down is if we find out what the sneak was attempting to hide. And, I doubt that is possible, since she was off the grid.

    Rutherford, this very well might be the least transparent presidency ever. Ever!

  66. Rutherford, when Bamby was smoking weed, Bibi was smoking terrorist ass. It’s revealing you would choose a useful idiot and rank coward, who has proven so lawless that it has made a mockery of civil, criminal, Constitutional law and that would be your preference. I forget what a tool, propagandist and useful idiot you really are relieved of the resignation of colossal failure.

  67. Actually Rabbit WH already threw Hillary under the bus saying she was in contradiction of administration policy.

    I think you and Huck are missing something. HRC is a polarizing figure. Folks in and out of the media hate her guts. NYT, WAPO and USA Today all with front page stories.

    And it’s refueled the whole Benghazi thing. Even on our beloved MSNBC you get a range of reaction from Chris Matthews playing dumb to Crazy Larry with his hair on fire.

    I’m a big fan of “With All Due Respect” on Bloomberg and their analysis is this ain’t going away soon. They’re not saying it will take her down but it’s no nothing-burger.

    I still say she ain’t running. To run with all those skeletons behind the closet door would be arrogance big time – and she can’t count on the sycophantic press that benefitted Obama.

  68. LOL I just heard the Ben Carson quote Huck. One odd mofo. Soft voice – can say real sensible stuff – and then come up with some whoppers!

    Is it just abject stupidity or unworldly arrogance that RLAWSON’s bar would have two proponents, the intellectual giant, Jooo hating bookends, who apparently understand biology, biochemistry and genetics better than a brain surgeon? 😈

  69. There is so much one could speculate on the SoS email story. For me I think you have to assume she used private email for a number of advantages it afforded. I would say some of those line items would be access via Bill and their global charity & financial efforts,straight out global Whitewater shit too. I think he story should be a big deal but agree it will serve up ultimately as a double nothing burger with large fries.

  70. Actually Rabbit WH already threw Hillary under the bus saying she was in contradiction of administration policy.

    Ah no. In fact, three times today at the media news gathering, one shill Mr. Josh Earnest said that it appears HIllary Clinton was in compliance. (cough cough)

    Try again?

  71. @Raji thanks. When I read it one thing that occurred to me was that on a purely detached historical angle I felt “Iranian” and “Quds” could be replaced with American or British and CIA & MI 6

  72. “Is it just abject stupidity or unworldly arrogance that RLAWSON’s bar would have two proponents, the intellectual giant, Jooo hating bookends, who apparently understand biology, biochemistry and genetics better than a brain surgeon?”

    What do Jews have to do with what Carson said, Rabbi Tex?

    Appeal to authority is a bullshit form of rhetoric. I already said it’s a worthy debate, but his example was stupid. And he knows it. That’s why he has already walked it back and apologized for it. If you want to join him in his moment of stupidity, then by all means have at it. It sure as hell won’t be your first or last trip into that realm.

    You’re defending him after he’s already conceded, dumbass.

  73. Since when, Tex, did a brain surgeon have to be an expert on genetics?

    Let’s get real. You took med school courses. Can you tell me with a straight face that you were equally expert in every course you took? Or did you excel at some and sorta suck at others? Ben Carson is no different.

    We also had Dr. Rand Paul spouting vaccine nonsense. The title don’t mean shit. (BTW Paul got into med school without graduating from college – that’s a doctor I wouldn’t let anywhere near my eyeballs.)

  74. Since when, Tex, did a brain surgeon have to be an expert on genetics?

    Let’s get real. You took med school courses. Can you tell me with a straight face that you were equally expert in every course you took? Or did you excel at some and sorta suck at others? Ben Carson is no different.

    I don’t claim to be an expert on any of them. What I do know for absolute fact is I’ve forgotten more than the Twin Towers of Intellect of the Rutherford Lawson Bar have ever learned, or will ever learn concerning this subject. If the U.N. Councilor wants to put that to the test, we can a little virtual face off right here on the board – I’m in the mood to virtually bitch slap two ignoramuses – being jailed in a house for several days does that to me.

    I know Huckhead doesn’t have the sense to answer this as he’s recently been noted as quoting the Supreme Leader of Iran as factual and explaining to us lessers an appeal to authority is an invalid form of bullshit, even if the man’s entire career perspicacity of the subject truly at hand – truly Obama like. And I doubt you do either, Dwarf Himmler.

    But just out of curiosity, do you have any idea what the medical curriculum consists, Rutherford? That’s the rhetorical Huckhead is still looking for. 😈

    Do you have any idea what “organ” choices are formed and stored, geniuses? 😆 Hint: It’s not your balls.

    I mean this without insult. You two rival Poolman for the most clueless buffoon on this board.

  75. (BTW Paul got into med school without graduating from college – that’s a doctor I wouldn’t let anywhere near my eyeballs.)

    You probably already have, dummy. Perhaps about 50% of the other doctors until recently didn’t get a degree either. It has only been perhaps the last 10-20 years that schools even required a bachelor’s degree to apply. Money is what drove that.

    Many medical school requirements, and believe me these people are way, way, way, way beyond you and your pal Huckhead’s abilities, consists of 60 hours of prerequisites consisting biology/biochemistry, chemistry, physics, english, and calculus with about 30 hours of electives in any subject of their choice – the wider the choices, the better. If you can grab the prerequisites and have a good enough MCAT score, currently about 30 and up, you will probably be admitted. That eliminates about 90% of the people that start down that path who never make it through the basics.

    What fucking difference would it have made if Rand Paul had obtained 30 hours of pud liberal arts classes to get a piece of paper with a bunch of Leftist losers anyway? You think that would make him a better ophthalmologist? LOL LOL LOL!

  76. do you have any idea what the medical curriculum consists, Rutherford?

    I have enough common sense to know Ben Carson didn’t need an “A” in every course to become a brain surgeon.

    You’ve missed the point (again). It’s not a question of nature vs nurture. That can be debated. The problem is when your example is that prison turns straight guys into homo’s. Carson could have defended his “nurture” bias with a far more intelligent analysis.

  77. 60 hours of prerequisites consisting biology/biochemistry, chemistry, physics, english, and calculus with about 30 hours of electives in any subject of their choice

    Hell, if you’re gonna get all those prereqs you might as well get the damn BA or BS.

    Be that as it may, Paul being skeptical about vaccines should concern you. And don’t defend him too fiercely because, like Carson, he walked his statement back.

    I find it funny that whenever I cite expertise in someone you ridicule it but when a conservative brain surgeon says stupid shit you give him a free pass.

  78. Honestly, the prison homo thing has always baffled me.

    Why do you think aids is so much more prevelant in the black community, a community that in general abhors homo shit?

    Lot of people go gay in prison and never go gay on the outside.

    Other then the repulsiveness of the subject as a whole, I don’t get why it can’t possibly be noted as a possibility that some people chose to suck a dick?

  79. Call me naïve, Rutherford. I had the same question as DR. Why is on/off prison homo behavior a laughable observation?

  80. I have enough common sense to know Ben Carson didn’t need an “A” in every course to become a brain surgeon.

    As I have enough sense to know Ben Carson far, far, far, far, far more intelligent than Barack Obama, a man that at one time you thought of unearthly brilliance. 😉

    But just like Tigre and DR, Mr. R, I question how you cannot understand Carson’s very valid point unless your own biases prevent you from understanding.

    Carson’s point is indisputable with anyone for a half a brain – no pun intended. If humans are genetically pre-wired for sexual preference, why is it in prison systems perfectly straight people who have never engaged in homosexual acts, suddenly engage in homosexual acts?

    This is a question that your politically correct folks don’t want to broach. Because it demonstrates two immutable points: (1) The act of sex for humans is far more complicated than the sum of our instinctive parts; (2) there is a measure of choice in the matter.

  81. Be that as it may, Paul being skeptical about vaccines should concern you. And don’t defend him too fiercely because, like Carson, he walked his statement back.

    I don’t defend Paul because we’ve got 200 years of proof that Paul is wrong – vaccines are a modern miracle that capitalize on the body’s immune defenses. I’m guessing that was more political correctness and pandering than actual belief, by the way. Bet you Paul’s kid(s) are vaccinated.

    You’ll be glad to know I never gave Rand Paul a moment’s thought as serious candidate; neither do I consider Ben Carson serious, the latter a man I both greatly respect and admire – an intelligent man with virtue. Who has a better life story than Dr. Ben Carson? But that doesn’t make Carson qualified to be President.

    IMO, Republicans are committing the same mistake that Democrats made with Barack Obama, though the comparison not quite fair because Carson is infinitely better, brighter and more talented than Obama. But the attraction is the same, the game is the same. In fact, Carson is infinitely more qualified than Herman Cain too.

    Why is Ben Carson so attractive? Really? Because he is a minority, professionally credentialed candidate who both looks and sounds good. These cowardly Republican establishment types are so gun shy about being labeled “racist” or “exclusive”, they pander which only plays into the demons of your party who then take advantage.

    Ben Carson would make the best Surgeon General America has had since C. Everett Koop. He would make a dynamite Sec. of Health. But not President.

    I was sick when Carson announced he was pursuing the office. Dr. Carson is walking into being savaged by America’s traitorous, vicious, and corrupt media. Do you know what I heard the other day, Rutherford? There is pretty substantial information than the demons from your party paid “women” to lie about dalliances with Herman Cain.

    As a black man, that should infuriate you, if true – I don’t care what side of the political aisle you fall.

  82. “Why do you think aids is so much more prevelant in the black community, a community that in general abhors homo shit?”-DR

    Heterosexuality also spreads AIDS and heterosexuality is very prevalent in the black community.

    “Lot of people go gay in prison and never go gay on the outside.”-DR

    I would not use the statement “….people go gay in prison…”. Men and women get raped in prison not by choice. They find hooking up with a “butch” is more about survival than sex. To my way of thinking being raped by one is better than being gang raped time after time.

  83. Prison rape isn’t quite as common as it’s portrayed in the movies, but it is still substantial. Even rape still begs the question, doesn’t it? There are many other ways to display power, don’t you think?

    HIV can spread heterosexually, no doubt, but it is much less likely. But its a good point. Black people fuck a lot. Monogamy is pretty rare in the community.

    Hell, if it makes you more comfortable, why did the Ancient Spartans corn hole one another so much? Are those of Greek stock more likely to have a gay gene?

    The point is, I’m not sure we all have to accept nature over nurture on this one. And the prison example is a reasonable entry point into the discussion.

  84. Heterosexuality also spreads AIDS and heterosexuality is very prevalent in the black community.

    True, but the odds of contracting AIDS in America by a heterosexual that does not participate in intravenous drug use is approximately 100 times less likely to lead to HIV contraction with an infected partner – unless something has dramatically changed in the statistics the last five years. And that makes sense if you understand how AIDS contracted, the virulence of a very fragile virus, and why male homosexuality would lead to substantially higher rate of incident per capita.

    However, that is not true in sub-Saharan Africa, a variant form of the HIV virus, leading me to believe amongst other things, multi-partner homosexuality is not nearly as prevalent or “popular” in Africa vis-a-vis America…

    Let’s not forget where the AIDS virus started its insidious spread: the bath houses of NYC and San Francisco. It wasn’t prison.

    Your point is a valid one, Raji – except it still doesn’t explain the heterosexual ‘Bull’ manifesting homosexuality when isolated.

  85. More racial con games by the Progressive Party. Will minorities ever learn?

    After 25 years of blue policies, the wealth gap between whites on the one hand and African Americans and Hispanics on the other has barely budged. . . .

    The St. Louis Fed researchers said it’s not differences in age or education levels that explain the racial and ethnic wealth disparities; these persist even if you’re looking at older and better-educated blacks, Hispanics and whites.

    Part of the story here is the disproportionate effect the foreclosure crisis had on African Americans. Black families were in some cases stuck with riskier loans than whites, and when the crisis hit a lot of their wealth was wiped out. Since then, many blue cities with large minority populations have been hit particularly hard by financial problems. When Detroit, a majority African-American city long ruled by blue politicians, needed to raise money recently it foreclosed on tens of thousands of homes. Then there is the overall decline in clerical and some government jobs, which have long been a staple of African-American middle-class employment—a decline likely to continue, given the sorry finances of state and local governments across the nation.

  86. Your point is a valid one, Raji – except it still doesn’t explain the heterosexual ‘Bull’ manifesting homosexuality when isolated.

    Thanks Tex. I had a brain fart trying to come up with the male form of “butch”. Bull will do 😉

    Rape = power! I assume that the ultimate degradation to a heterosexual male would be penetration of his anus by another male!

    Regarding AIDS a lot has changed in our perceptions of the disease. AIDS has been prevalent in the animal kingdom long before the disease was discovered in humans. Infectious anemia is termed EIA in the horse and termed FIA in cats. They are all related. The World Congress for Infectious Diseases has know about the relationship but was careful not to compare the animal version to the human version except for the monkey.
    Mandatory testing in the equine has been required since the 70’s and any equine testing positive was euthanized or isolated.

  87. Why is on/off prison homo behavior a laughable observation?

    I think you’re getting there with the words “homo behavior”. Homo behavior does not a homo make.

    I define a homosexual as someone who prefers sexual relations with someone of the same gender. I may be wrong – and rabbit who has worked in prisons can correct me – but my impression is most inmates would prefer pussy and it is the unavailability of it that makes them resort to homo behavior. I also believe there is an intimidation/power dynamic at play.

    Carson’s error is in singling out an example that has nothing to do with “lifestyle homosexuals”. Are they choosing to be gay? Perhaps. But the choice is an ENTIRELY different one from that made by otherwise straight prison inmates.

  88. I like the article alfie.

    One reason Spartans were into gay sex was to create solidarity within the ranks. It supposedly made them fiercer fighters with a strong sense of loyalty to the regiment.

    Many blacks did not contract AIDS through prison sex. They were drug users who shared needles.

    The average black urban voter is an ignorant fool. He/she believes the Democratic line with a religious-like fervor while Progressives replace them with a new pet–Hispanic illegals.

    They also don’t realize the Democrats made it possible for them to buy homes they couldn’t afford with mortguages too risky to sustain. Republicans at least gave lip service to the danger, but Democrats were willing to risk the blacks’ welfare for political gain, just as they were willing to let American and allied soldiers die to win an election.

    And some of you still vote for these people.

  89. Why do you think aids is so much more prevelant in the black community, a community that in general abhors homo shit?

    Aids is not purely gay. It probably spreads through the black community through simple hetero promiscuity – where ground zero may have been a gay encounter or a bad blood transfusion — then it spread hetero from there.

  90. I don’t usually laugh at racist jokes but one of the Ferguson PD emails cracked me up. I’m paraphrasing. “Obama won’t be president long because what black man can hold a steady job for four years?”

    I’m sorry but that is funny.

  91. there is a measure of choice in the matter.

    To buttfuck or not to buttfuck, that is the question.

    OF COURSE there is choice. That is not disputed by anyone. No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to sodomize.

    What IS in dispute is the compelling factor for the preference. Are we born more likely to be attracted to one gender or another? THAT is the question.

    And again, the choice made by a straight man in prison is NOT equivalent to the choice made due to ATTRACTION to the same gender.

  92. Rutherford, you are talking out of your ass. One that I now suppose you may offer poolman if you were stranded on an island while telling one another how hetro you both are.

    Seriously….you are just bloviating.

    Admit it. Carson’s comments were “laughable” becuase you were told they were laughable.

  93. Tex I was always skeptical about the allegations against Cain. But then I feel the same way about Cosby.

    I fully agree that Carson is super qualified to be Surgeon General. I don’t dislike the man by any stretch. I just find him a bit wacky.

    I have a question for you. Why does the GOP pull its blacks from the citizenry? Why don’t we see conservative black politicians pursuing POTUS? I don’t have an answer. I’m asking.

  94. “I may be wrong – and rabbit who has worked in prisons can correct me – but my impression is most inmates would prefer pussy and it is the unavailability of it that makes them resort to homo behavior.”

    Through all of your years of “unavailability” was that some kind of option for you?

    Cut the crap. If you can get past the repulsiveness of the act, it’s a choice.

  95. “No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to sodomize.”

    Actually….wasn’t that your point about prison homosexuality?

  96. You know Rabbit, you’ve been pretty caustic of late and frankly I’m getting tired of it.

    I presented the case as clearly as I could. If you think Liberace made an equivalent “choice” to that made by inmate Bubba then you’re a fucking idiot. I’m done.

  97. Actually….wasn’t that your point about prison homosexuality?

    No, it wasn’t. Sodomy is an act we can do or not do. Therefore it is a choice for everyone. What is being debated are the motivating factors for the choice. Adam thinking he is in love with Steve is making his “choice” based on different factors than Bubba needing to get his rocks off any way he can (while making someone subordinate to him).

    I think the underlying problem here – and maybe it’s why I’m having trouble making myself heard – is that you guys view homosexuality as perversion, end of story. You don’t believe a man can feel romantic love for another man. I do believe that. So my question is, does that romantic preference start very early in life or not? I don’t have the answer.

  98. “think the underlying problem here – and maybe it’s why I’m having trouble making myself heard – is that you guys view homosexuality as perversion, end of story.”

    It’s repulsive to a hetero Bubba or no Bubba. Jesus.

  99. It’s repulsive to a hetero Bubba or no Bubba. Jesus.

    Killing someone is repulsive to the average person. So Bubba is fine by murder but he draws the line at buttfucking when he’s horny and trapped in a concrete jungle surrounded by other reprobates?

    And by the way, anal sex is not limited to homos. The repulsion just magically disappears if there’s a pair of boobs facing the other way?

    So let me ask you. If it’s soooo repulsive, why is Bubba doing it? Ben Carson was right that there is homo behavior in prison. He’s just wrong about why. The boys don’t turn gay.

  100. You lost me on that one DR. Carson can say what he wants and gays can be offended. Where’s the assault?

    No one is saying the good doctor didn’t have the right to speak his mind. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a jackass.

    FWIW I just found Carson’s statement silly, not offensive. I found Falwell’s statements offensive and I ponder the look on his face when he was greeted by Beelzebub for his intolerance. 👿

  101. Truly Shakespearean, Rutherford. Glad Raji and Muffy are tough women. LOL My wife would wash your mouth out with soap.

    Mrs. Taylor came unglued at me one night in bed for what I thought romantically using the ‘P’ word in the attempt to score. I asked her if I changed it to the ‘V’ word, would it make a difference? It did not. 😆 What’s strange is that I’ve always found the correct anatomical terms to sound more vulgar than most of terms of endearment euphemisms.

    What IS in dispute is the compelling factor for the preference. Are we born more likely to be attracted to one gender or another? THAT is the question.

    I’ll ask again. There are hundreds of cases studied of identical twins who turn out one straight, one gay. If the compelling factor for preference is simple biology, why is this? That’s really all you need to know about innate genetics.

    However, and this doesn’t dispute my conclusions and actually confirms it, there is a reasonably new field of genetics called epigenetics. As example, why would an identical twin be 1/2″ shorter than his brother? But that only lends evidence choices have consequences with the physical too as genes express themselves.

    So why are we trying to legitimize, even normalize, abnormalcy again?

  102. Heeeey Tigre are you some kinda Felix Unger? I just took another gander at my egg photo and that stovetop looks pretty damn clean to me. You should see it when it’s dirty.

  103. I don’t think gay people found it laughable. I think they found it offensive and myopic.

    The Gaystapo finds everything offensive – they’re more precious snowflakes in their hypersensitivities that the black grievance hustlers. Screw ‘um. On second thought, you screw ‘um. 🙂

  104. Tex I’ve got no dog in the nature/nurture fight on gaydome. Indeed the likely motivating force behind the nature argument is to, as you say, legitimize the lifestyle.

    My bottom line is there are loads of them and as long as they don’t wanna date me (and they don’t I’m sure – I’ve had enough trouble catching a girl) I say live and let live. Get married, adopt, pay your fucking taxes and let’s move on.

    The existence of a “gay gene” doesn’t change how I feel about them. They’re fellow travelers. More power to them.

  105. So here is the problem.

    The Iranian foreign minister may be a fucking liar BUT I am amazed at how he says one thing and we hear another.

    Anne Curry of NBC asks him to respond to the supreme leader’s call for the annihilation of the Israeli “regime”.

    He responds basically that Iran DOES want the annihilation of the Netanyahu regime but that is not to be confused with the annihilation of Jews. He charges Netanyahu with the murder of innocent children.

    After airing the segment, the Mojo panel talks about what they heard, NOT what the man actually said.

    Of course calling him a liar ends the discussion. But if he means what he says, why can’t we actually discuss what he said and not what we wanted to hear?

    By the way, this is the major problem of having a Jewish state (or a Muslim state or a Christian state): government gets conflated with religion. No one can oppose Netanyahu without being called an anti-Semite.

  106. Not for nothing but it seems to me this country needs a doctor.
    ”My only point was that the Carson comment wasn’t so laughable.”
    It wasn’t. They can’t argue that he’s incorrect so they have to work with politically incorrect.
    I’m not sure why just disagreeing with the man isn’t enough for the “tolerant” crowd.

  107. “So let me ask you. If it’s soooo repulsive, why is Bubba doing it?”

    For the reason you said before: vagina substitute — a choice.

  108. “I’m not sure why just disagreeing with the man isn’t enough for the “tolerant” crowd.”

    Seriously. It’s amazing sometimes. Rutherford starts to act offended himself.

  109. I’m not sure why just disagreeing with the man isn’t enough for the “tolerant” crowd.

    I haven’t heard calls for a public flogging. All I’ve heard is folks “disagreeing with the man”.

  110. Tigre as I said, I wasn’t offended. I just thought it was silly. I DO understand how some gay folks might be offended.

    I found the “ACA worse thing since slavery” silly too. The brotha says wacky stuff. Perhaps pandering to the base? I’m not sure.

    And it’s a damn shame cos he’s a damn sight more credible than 9/9/9 Herman Cain who frankly was a laughing stock. I don’t think anyone is laughing at Carson.

  111. “All I’ve heard is folks “disagreeing with the man”.”

    Was your point of contention over the fact that he said it or the accuracy of his remark?

  112. Muffy if you’re drawing a parallel to “no one can oppose Obama without being called a racist” you ALMOST have a point.

    Folks are unfairly called racist when criticizing Obama. But it’s not because Obama presides over a “black state”. It’s a consequence of a racist history in this country.

    Because Israel is a Jewish state, it is almost impossible to separate toppling Israel from eliminating Jews. It further means that the government being a bad actor can smear an entire religion. That is unfortunate.

    Government and religion should NEVER be combined. It is a noxious cocktail.

  113. “ACA worse thing since slavery”

    The rest of Dr Carson’s remark (quoted above in part) – “…the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery, and it is, in a way, it is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.”
    I’ll ask you again what I asked you the last time you brought this up. Simply, what has been worse?
    What you can do is come up with what you determine to have been worse, in the same context. That would be disagreeing with the man. Merely calling a statement whacky or questioning his motive doesn’t constitute disagreeing with the man.

  114. My point was that the accuracy of his remark looked myopic in context.

    Had he been making a simple comment about prison sex practices there’d be no argument at all. He was extrapolating from the “choice” prisoners make to the one an “average” gay person makes. That was his error. In fact, by my definition the folks in jail who he is calling gay aren’t even gay.

    “Sometimes people choose to engage in homosexual behavior, for example, in prison.”

    That would have been airtight and unarguable. He didn’t say that.

  115. “Heeeey Tigre are you some kinda Felix Unger?”

    No. That’s kinda gross looking and salmonella-y .

    To each his own.

  116. “That would have been airtight and unarguable. He didn’t say that.”

    Jesus liberals are a one-trick pony.

    You need to focus on the clown car the dems are riding around in. A gaggle of incompetent boobs.

    The offended, dumb, racist blah, blah, blah shit coming from the group of corrupt morons you adore is even getting tired to the former teenage intellects that watched MSNBC.

  117. Merely calling a statement whacky or questioning his motive doesn’t constitute disagreeing with the man.

    Ok I get your point there.

    I think it’s rhetorically lazy and dangerous in this country to compare stuff to slavery just as its a mistake to call someone Hitler.

    He didn’t need to go there. He just needed to say it makes the citizenry dependent and it’s controlling. Slavery is a hot button word he used for effect. He didn’t have to.

  118. Carson needs to get his shit together. IMO that apology doesn’t fly

    “I am not a politician and I answered a question without really thinking about it thoroughly. No excuses,” he said. “I deeply regret my statement and I promise you, on this journey, I may err again, but unlike politicians when I make an error I will take full responsibility and never hide or parse words.”

  119. You need to focus on the clown car the dems are riding around in.

    If that were the topic currently under discussion in the thread, I’d focus on it. Would you like to change the topic?

  120. Raji, if getting one’s shit together were a prerequisite for holding political office, there would be no Democratic politicians.

    I dare anyone right now to me on the national stage, currently employed as politician, that has a “D’ behind their name to be held up as example of having his or her “shit together.” Just one. And I’ll virtually guarantee you I can find examples of abject stupidity, distortions, outright lying, broken campaign promises, and cloying/pandering that exceed anything Dr. Ben has said.

    That’s one of the things that has always infuriated me about Leftists. You pick apart somebody that without doubt is highly intelligent (you don’t get to be a brain and spine surgeon and Professor Emeritus at perhaps America’s premier medical school without a fine brain). And I hear nary a peep about grossly inept and ignorant imbeciles like the Black Caucus, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Lizzie Warren, Groping Joe Biden, Al Gore, etc… etc.. etc… Those aren’t the fringe. They’re the damn leaders of the entire Democratic Party.

    There isn’t a Leftist on earth that should be pointing fingers about anyone’s foot-in-mouth – especially after this farce for President we’ve got now.

  121. Exactly Tex, the man appears to be highly intelligent unlike Reid, Pelosi, Biden, etc. etc. therefore he should not cover an apparent gaff by saying his excuse is he is not a politician. He needs to get his shit together by not apologizing. I really don’t think he “deeply regrets his statement”

    Were you accusing me of being a leftist 😉

  122. “Folks are unfairly called racist when criticizing Obama. But it’s not because Obama presides over a “black state”. It’s a consequence of a racist history in this country.”

    As opposed to a history of anti-Semitism in the Middle East?

  123. Yeah I saw that retort coming and knew I was stepping into it. Damn, you’re good.

    I’m not entirely convinced the establishment of Israel was really the best response to rampant anti-semitism.

  124. “He needs to get his shit together by not apologizing. I really don’t think he “deeply regrets his statement” “

    Personally I see no reason to doubt his sincerity.

    In his own words, the entire apology –

    “In a recent interview on CNN, I realized that my choice of language does not reflect fully my heart on gay issues.

    I do not pretend to know how every individual came to their sexual orientation. I regret that my words to express that concept were hurtful and divisive. For that I apologize unreservedly to all that were offended.

    I’m a doctor trained in multiple fields of medicine, who was blessed to work at perhaps the finest institution of medical knowledge in the world. Some of our brightest minds have looked at this debate, and up until this point there have been no definitive studies that people are born into a specific sexuality. We do know, however, that we are always born male and female. And I know that we are all made in God’s image, which means we are all deserving of respect and dignity.

    I support human rights and Constitutional protections for gay people, and I have done so for many years. I support civil unions for gay couples, and I have done so for many years. I support the right of individual states to sanction gay marriage, and I support the right of individual states to deny gay marriage in their respective jurisdictions.

    I also think that marriage is a religious institution. Religious marriage is an oath before God and congregation. Religious marriage must only be governed by the church. Judges and government must not be allowed to restrict religious beliefs.

    I am not a politician and I answered a question without really thinking about it thoroughly. No excuses. I deeply regret my statement and I promise you, on this journey, I may err again, but unlike politicians when I make an error I will take full responsibility and never hide or parse words. As a human being my obligation is to learn from my mistakes and to treat all people with respect and dignity.”

  125. I’m not sure I agree with Raji. Carson’s statement is not the usual one sentence “if I offended anybody” bullshit we usually get. First of all there’s no “if”. He did offend and he acknowledges it.

    It’s also the most thorough explanation I’ve seen in a while.

    I’m satisfied for whatever that’s worth.

  126. ”I think it’s rhetorically lazy and dangerous in this country to compare stuff to slavery just as its a mistake to call someone Hitler.

    He didn’t need to go there. He just needed to say it makes the citizenry dependent and it’s controlling. Slavery is a hot button word he used for effect. He didn’t have to.”

    I think he just forgot about the draft, that’s all.

    He made it a point – not afterward but as he was making the “slavery” remark – that his comments were in reference to subservience to government. He plainly said the ACA was never about health care but control.

    Another word for subservient is slavish.

    Moreover, if a similar sentiment had been expressed by a prominent black public figure – say even the president himself – you’d have no problem with it. But since Dr. Carson is a Republican, it isn’t his prerogative to push that button.

    Biden called the issue of slavery to mind in a much more divisive and mordant manner than Dr. Carson and his perquisite wasn’t under fire from the left.

  127. It probably spreads through the black community through simple hetero promiscuity – where ground zero may have been a gay encounter or a bad blood transfusion — then it spread hetero from there.

    Actually, it spread through the black community first by intravenous drug use, then by heterosexual contact.

  128. “I’m satisfied for whatever that’s worth.”

    I just think we all need to get over this homophobia phobia.

  129. “If that were the topic currently under discussion in the thread, I’d focus on it. Would you like to change the topic?”

    Why, no. Let’s get back to Palin. 🙄

    One. Trick. Pony.

  130. I wonder if Rutherford could look at me, keep a straight face, and tell me Sarah Palin was dumber than the members of the Black Caucus, Nancy Pelosi or Groping Joe Biden?

    I honestly think not only is Nancy Pelosi evil, I think she is insane. I don’t mean that rhetorically. I mean would be diagnosed as clinically insane.

  131. Biden called the issue of slavery to mind in a much more divisive and mordant manner than Dr. Carson and his perquisite wasn’t under fire from the left.

    Funny that’s not how I remember it. I recall the media going batshit crazy when Biden made the remark.

  132. ”I think it’s rhetorically lazy and dangerous in this country to compare stuff to slavery just as its a mistake to call someone Hitler.

    He didn’t need to go there. He just needed to say it makes the citizenry dependent and it’s controlling. Slavery is a hot button word he used for effect. He didn’t have to.”

    What’s the difference between that and this – ?

    “How do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities — the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?

    “Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.” –Barack Obama

  133. “You need to focus on the clown car the dems are riding around in.”

    And Republicans need to focus on getting rid of the Aikens in the party instead of deflecting and making excuses. Defending the indefensible isn’t going to win elections. He didn’t make a mistake. He said exactly what he meant to say. He isn’t sorry he thought it, he’s only sorry he said it.

    That this guy has enough support to even consider running for president should be cause for worry.

    Unless, of course, you like the way “Madam President” sounds.

  134. Actually, it spread through the black community first by intravenous drug use, then by heterosexual contact.

    Yes, you’re right. Blood transfusion was an error on my part although it is one way to contract the disease. I believe that’s the excuse Magic Johnson used.

  135. Huge difference Muffy. Carson compared a social program designed to help people (regardless of what he thinks the real motive) to an institution that deliberately subjugated people.

    Obama cited historical examples to suggest Islam is not the only misused religion.

    Apples and oranges.

    What is interesting about Carson is his gaffes usually involve a sweeping statement that connects two things that should not be connected. In the slavery example, it actually was rhetorically effective, especially for the base. In the homo example, it just fell flat.

  136. “I recall the media going batshit crazy when Biden made the remark.”

    Right, it was brutal.

    “GOP feigns outrage over Biden’s ‘chains’ remark.” -MSNBC

    “The ‘chains’ comment was, to put it mildly, not ideal. Biden has been targeted by the GOP for his gaffes for months, but this one is a more loaded comment”. -Politico

    “GOP slams Joe Biden ‘chains’ remark.” -Politico

    “Some Republicans also objected to Biden’s use of the word “chains.” -USA Today

    “Joe Biden ‘Chains’ Remark Seized Upon By Mitt Romney’s Campaign.” Huffington Post

    And in tonight’s big finish, Republicans must be desperate. They’re now accusing Vice President Joe Biden of using racist code to attack Mitt Romney today. – Ed Schultz

  137. “Huge difference Muffy. Carson compared a social program designed to help people (regardless of what he thinks the real motive) to an institution that deliberately subjugated people.

    Obama cited historical examples to suggest Islam is not the only misused religion.

    Apples and oranges..”

    Not only is that motive highly debatable, you’ve proved that you don’t think I think “it’s rhetorically lazy and dangerous in this country to compare stuff to slavery just as its a mistake to call someone Hitler.”

  138. I disagree. Obama compared two misuses of religion. Entirely appropriate. Carson compared two things that are only similar at the most conceptual level. Obama compared two clear evils while Carson compared something conceived as a benefit to a clear evil.

    I repeat apples and oranges.

  139. “Like I said Muffy, you’re good. Ok maybe batshit crazy was an overstatement but you have to concede his remarks got coverage.”

    Rutherford I appreciate the back and forth but you seem to be having trouble following the conversation. You been drinking one for every one you pour?

  140. “And Republicans need to focus on getting rid of the Aikens in the party instead of deflecting and making excuses.”

    He’s running again?

  141. but you seem to be having trouble following the conversation.

    Maybe I have been drinking cos I don’t know what you’re talking about. Where am I not following?

    You proved that the lib media discussed conservative outrage at Biden’s chains remark but didn’t seem too outraged themselves. I’ll grant you that. I’m just saying they didn’t gloss over it. In fact, Biden’s gaffe probably got more coverage than Carson’s slavery comment.

  142. “I disagree. Obama compared two misuses of religion. Entirely appropriate. Carson compared two things that are only similar at the most conceptual level. Obama compared two clear evils while Carson compared something conceived as a benefit to a clear evil.”

    You have claimed victory on battles you never won. I think you forget that Obama’s historical reconstructs are in dispute and remain that way even here. The comparability of slavery in America to radical Islam is not a premise we agree upon, nor slavery in America consequent of a misuse of religion.

    You can attach as many riders as you want to the use of slavery as metaphor but you apply the criticism unevenly, as is your prerogative I suppose.

  143. “Where am I not following?”

    1) M: Biden called the issue of slavery to mind in a much more divisive and mordant manner than Dr. Carson and his perquisite wasn’t under fire from the left.

    2) R: Funny that’s not how I remember it. I recall the media going batshit crazy when Biden made the remark.

    3) M: [proved #2 not to be true]

    4) R: Ok maybe batshit crazy was an overstatement but you have to concede his remarks got coverage. <<<<<<<<<<<THERE<<<<<<<<<<

    You keep moving the goalposts.

  144. I disagree. Obama compared two misuses of religion. Entirely appropriate.

    No, it was not. It was absolutely inappropriate and the venue made it even more so – in addition to being utter relativist bullshit. Obama had finally revealed his true nature for all the world to see and this time, there was no denying it.

    Barack Obama is not only stupid and racist – he’s a coward and sick. His day is coming.

    A cheap shot at a religion right now where in many parts of the world, genocide is ongoing upon its people a peaceful people to boot, of which I believe you’re not only indifferent to the death but I believe so cold and so spiteful, so angry that your ideology has failed not only the country but you, you enjoy it holding Christians in contempt.

    Rutherford, it’s comments like this that convince me, deep down, you’re an asshole. And why for all our conversations, some of which have been in friendship of a sort, frankly I don’t really much care for you anymore. I wasn’t always that way, but I realized during the 2012 Presidential campaign, what a truly dishonest and despicable man you are.

  145. Tex, I swear you missed your calling. You should have been a soap opera actor for all the damn melodrama you spew. Let’s try this one more time:

    1) Obama made his remarks at the wrong place and the wrong time.
    2) Obama was commenting on how deviants use religion to justify their deviant behavior. I don’t really give a crap about the Crusades. His comment on slavery was dead on – as documented by TaNehisi Coates.
    3) Obama is going too far in his effort to not seem the Islamaphobe.
    4) Folks committing evil in the name of Christianity TODAY is a gnat on an elephant’s ass compared to Islam.
    5) I don’t hold people of any religion in “contempt”. I find organized religion as a whole spun from wishful thinking, very grounded in a fear of death and the need to comfort ourselves about what comes next. There is also no doubt that organized religion can do great good but can also be corrupt. Just today I saw the author of a book called “God’s Bank” (or something like that) which chronicled the history of the Vatican bank. It ain’t a pretty picture (including money laundering for Nazi’s and helping Nazi’s get a safe haven in South America after the war).

    The funniest part of your drama Tex is that deep down YOU are not a fan of organized religion. When is the last time you went to church? Your faith is personal and believe it or not I respect that.

  146. Huck @ 9:52
    . “He didn’t make a mistake. He said exactly what he meant to say. He isn’t sorry he thought it, he’s only sorry he said it.”

    That’s what I was trying to say but Huck did a better job. However Carson did achieve one thing….everyone now knows his name.

  147. Muffy wrote some think that slavery was a consequent of a miss- use of religion.It was one of the best sentences I saw because she is right. I haven’t had time to read much here since Wednesday when I was in Omaha with my wife. We are back home for the weekend, and as the weather improves we have work to do at home.

    But that part of Muffy’s sentence grabbed my attention because it is a blatant lie. Slavery is an old economic and social system which operates independently of religion. In fact, Muslim nations still utilize slavery more frequently than the enlightened Christians. Slavery operates independently of religion. Theologists may support the practice and use religion to rationalize an economic system, but such thought is an adjunct to rationalize what already exists.

    The South practiced slavery because labor saving machinery had not yet been invented. Many churches defended or rationalized the practice, but without churches slaves would still have done the work.

    Anyone who says differently is a liar or ignorant.

    I like most of Rutherford’s five points. However, Obama is not trying too hard not to appear to be an Islamophobe. His heart has a soft spot for Islam. He uses old Christian grievances to defend Islam.Obama is a liar.

  148. Carson deliberately compared a program originally designed to help people to slavery. He should have known better, but as Ragi noted it got him noticed. More outrageous but true is the Progressive strategy to ensnare blacks and poor people in a system of dependency. Maybe someday they will wake up.

    “Yeah you never said a word You didn’t send me no letter. Don’t think I could forgive you. Our world is slowly dying I’m not wasting no more time. Don’t think I could believe you.”

    Prayer in C. Lilly Wood and the Prick and Robin schultz written by Ben Mier, Gimard, Pierre, etc.

  149. Speaking of Ferguson, I’m not certain if everyone saw this:

    Liberal billionaire George Soros donated $33million to social justice organizations which helped turn events in Ferguson from a local protest into a national flashpoint.

    The handouts, revealed in tax filings from Soros’s private foundation, were given to dozens of different groups which weighed in on the crisis.

    Organizers from professional groups in Washington, D.C., and New York were bussed into the Missouri town to co-ordinate messaging and lobby to news media to cover events using the billionaire’s funding.

    The flood of donations were uncovered in an analysis of the latest tax return by Soros’s Open Society Foundations by the Washington Times.

    The cash was reportedly funneled into keeping up numbers of protesters in the community over a period of months by bringing in outside activists.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913625/Billionaire-George-Soros-spent-33MILLION-bankrolling-Ferguson-demonstrators-create-echo-chamber-drive-national-protests.html

    Of course this happens all the time. The snews is total propaganda, bought, paid, and sold to us.

  150. Folks committing evil in the name of Christianity TODAY is a gnat on an elephant’s ass compared to Islam.

    That parroted rot you always throw out about melodrama is tedious and tiresome – find another lame excuse. Get some new lines, Mr. Mendacious.

    It’s a gnat on the elephant’s ass of atheism and agnosticism too, that is unless you thoroughly enjoy Communist China or Cuba. TaNehisi Coates is a grievance hustler, racist, and stupid who makes his living off of reeling in mindless lackeys believing real tidbits like blacks aren’t in a position of power to oppress whites. Tell that to Darren Wilson or Reginald Denny, Nicole Simpson’s family, or all the businesses that lost their livelihood in Ferguson, MO.

    Reminds me of someone else I know. Like I said, America has a real case of “negro fatigue.” And that spans across a multitude of races.

  151. Couple of points from my POV.
    The Ferguson news doesnt bother me. Id sadly concede a number of LEOs have a racist streak that cuts across all demographics of the forces involved. The story will never get too old especially since there are those professionally crafting the narrative. The conversations we will never have center on the very real decline of all too many of our communities. Sometimes the police breeds the city and sometimes the opposite is truer.
    Sex choice is a choice but that doesn’t mean “curing” the choice is somehow anyones duty outside of criminal acts.
    @ Rutherford the 2k + text of the prayer breakfast is something you should look into

  152. The Ferguson news does bother me but doesn’t surprise me. I don’t know if Ferguson is any worse than other cities, but racism does exist because the law is made of humans.
    I partly disagree with alfie’s “sex choice is a choice”. I agree with the rest of the sentence.

    I believe sex and gender choice lives on a Bell Curve. Some people on the extremes can make choices one way or the other, but ,most of us are wired to be who we are. An extreme example occurred in Winnipeg. A circumsion gone bad cost a baby his penis.,He was an identical twin. Dr. Money and others who believed we are blank slates with the capacity to chose multiple outcomes saw the twins as an opportunity test their hypotheses. Obviously the best option was to raise the boy as a girl.

    She would have a normal life and the scientists bask in the praise of their contemporaries… Everyone won. After more surgery, the toddler came home a girl. Scientists studied the siblings regularly through their lives. When she was old enough she took estrogens and developed into an attractive girl,

    But it was all a lie. The glowing reports hid a bitter truth. From the beginning, the girl felt something was wrong. She felt like an alien in her own body. The family had to force the estrogen pills down her throat. it was so bad that the father confessed to his daughter what they had done to her. He said he feared that she would kill the family in their sleep because her rage was frightening.

    After a while the girl transitioned back to a boy. He eventually married and was a stepfather. However, the past was too much to overcome and he killed himself. His brother who had developed as part of his identity a twin sister also had a break down and killed himself. I believe the parents divorced.

    Another boy suffered the same fate. She elected to stay female, but her occupation and hobbies are masculine. She has mostly masculine friends and she is a bi- sexual with a girl friend.

    All of this happened because some doctors and mental health professionals tried to fool mother nature.

  153. Well, well, well. Isn’t it amazing? A Sen. Dem, a man I’m not terribly fond of but a critic of the Obama’s Adm. stances on both Cuba and Iran like me, suddenly finds himself in the cross hairs of the twin thugs Obama and Holder. Har har har…

    What an utter coincidence that the week Menendez becomes a vocal critic of Bozo for his petulance about Netanyahu’s speech, out of the blue Menendez is hit with federal corruption charges. 🙂

    I think the Obama Administration is losing their grip. I hope that megalomaniac is under such stress, it’s breaking him down big time. Don’t think the other Democrats in Congress aren’t observing, you march to the thug’s tune or you too will be targeted.

  154. I share your suspicions,Tex. Here is something better than rotten political operatives.

    This video is a crowd of French line dancers a toddler, and a Swedish country band,

  155. But that part of Muffy’s sentence grabbed my attention because it is a blatant lie.

    This should not be so hard.

    No one is saying there is a Bible verse that says “put a bunch of Africans in a boat, send them to the US and subjugate them”.

    But there WERE Christians (more than two or three) who said that slavery was compatible with the natural order of things and that these blacks were inferior beings in the eyes of their Christian God.

    Dammit. This is not rocket science. Stop being in fucking denial. Southern Christians felt religiously justified in holding slaves. It’s not a lie and it WAS a perversion of Christianity.

    NOW STOP IT!!

  156. “I don’t hold people of any religion in “contempt”.” -R
    Liar.

    It doesn’t get much dumber than this. Look up the word “contempt”. To the extent that it involves hatred or strong dislike, do you really think, Tigre, that I hate Christians?

    If so, you’re as big a soap opera actor as your friend Tex.

    As the blog turns – cue the organ music.

  157. Obama and his racist DOJ trying to save face. This shit gets tired.

    So, two questions:

    1) Were the DOJ findings in Ferguson manufactured?
    2) If not, do you believe the Ferguson PD unique in these practices?

    I’m a bit surprised you’re not applauding the fact that the DOJ left Wilson alone instead of trumping something up.

  158. Its really hard to stop unfair police profiling of blacks because so many blacks are feral compared to any other group.
    It’s a shitty situation for all parties involved. Sucks.

  159. The problem wasn’t limited to profiling which non-racist cops have every right to do.

    The problem was THEY HAD RACIST COPS.

    You get stopped because of “Manner of walking along roadway.”

    Really? You’re gonna justify that shit? Let some cop stop you based on your “manner of walking”. What? Brother had too much swagger?

    Roofa please.

  160. I’ve said REPEATEDLY that much good has been done by Christianity.

    1) Local churches do charitable work on a daily basis.
    2) Some of our finest educational institutions arose from religious leaders: Harvard, Yale, etc.
    3) If I’m not mistaken, Jesuits are known for their educational leadership.
    4) On an individual basis, non-proselytizing Christians have been enormously kind to me.
    5) Some of Christianity’s basic tenets are indisputably good to live by – the most obvious example, the golden rule. Matthew 7:12

  161. Your problem Tigre is that with the exception of the previous comment, anything positive I’ve said about Christianity is usually followed by a “but”.

  162. “But there WERE Christians (more than two or three) who said that slavery was compatible with the natural order of things and that these blacks were inferior beings in the eyes of their Christian God.

    Dammit. This is not rocket science. Stop being in fucking denial. Southern Christians felt religiously justified in holding slaves. It’s not a lie and it WAS a perversion of Christianity.

    NOW STOP IT!!”

    I think the accuracy of your remarks look myopic in context.

    The “more than two or three” that you ordain representative of Christian doctrine that either ministered compatibility and/or practiced accommodation of the institution of slavery did so in rebellion against what had by that time become a maturing message against slavery.

    Disobedience is a far cry from “in the name of.”

  163. You know, the more I think about it the more I find that not only was Dr. Carson right to apologize, but Obama ought to as well.

    But only one of them is a peacemaker.

  164. Christians were irrelevant . Christians interpreted scripture to support their culture and economic structure, though some had second thoughts.

    Southerners could have been Wiccans or worshiped Thor, They would still have justified, trafficked in and used slaves. To say as some of our leaders did that Christianity is at fault is a blatant lie. “Its the economy, stupid.”

    Most cultures use and justify actions with religion.That is different from saying Christianity fostered slavery. it was a tool to make the medicine go down less painfully. As you know, a number of Southerners were morally conflicted, especially in later years. I would expect the confusion from a fool and manipulator like Obama, but you are smarter than that.

  165. I too stand by the contention that slavery in America was not consequent of a misuse of religion.

    If that’s what radical Islam is – and you haven’t even proven that but for the sake of argument – if radical Islam is a misuse of religion it still doesn’t equate to slavery in America.

  166. “That is PRECISELY what moderate Muslims are saying.”

    Hardly. You yourself have been the loudest and most persistent here in demanding just that for quite some time now – why if that is precisely what moderate Muslims are saying?

  167. To say as some of our leaders did that Christianity is at fault is a blatant lie.

    Ohhhh mother of God!!! Arrrrgh!!!!

    No no no. Christianity was NOT at fault. We are talking about faulty interpretation. Which is EXACTLY what moderate Muslims are saying is happening with Islam.

  168. Actually the reformers are saying that, but you have to look hard and listen closely to find and hear them. They’re a minority even smaller than the militants.

  169. What I’ve been demanding is that moderate Muslims go beyond saying the extremism does not represent Islam. I want them to tell the nutjobs to stop it.

    IMO, they defend their religion but don’t go far enough to condemn the true infidels. Asisi is a recent exception.

  170. el-Sisi is a bright spot.

    Rutherford aren’t you the one that pointed out that it took revenge as motive to provoke King Abdullah into striking back?

    I’m not putting the King down I’m just saying that the numbers don’t lie. They’ve been posted here no one argued their accuracy or what they represent.

    What’s the moderate line on the treatment of women?

  171. Rutherford I feel I’ve said something like this before but no matter the faith people do what they do for other reasons yet present the faith thing as a primary factor.

  172. “I’m a bit surprised you’re not applauding the fact that the DOJ left Wilson alone instead of trumping something up.”

    I suppose you have a point. Which is really quite tragic.

  173. What I’ve been demanding is that moderate Muslims [pick one] Christians/Jews/Republicans/Democrats/Gays go beyond saying the extremism does not represent Islam [pick one] Christianity/Judaism/theGOP/theLEFT/homosexuality. I want them to tell the nutjobs to stop it.

    When you write ‘go beyond saying’, exactly what are you advocating? Is that the ‘tell the nutjobs to stop it’ part? Because telling people what to do always works so very well. 🙄 And what makes you think those conversations are not happening? You are not privy to any real conversations in these communities. They do not have the media might of Murdock nor the pr funds of Soros. How would you know what they say or think? Who is informing you???

  174. But there WERE Christians (more than two or three) who said that slavery was compatible with the natural order of things and that these blacks were inferior beings in the eyes of their Christian God.

    You seem to ignore a most inconvenient point in your world view of history, because it doesn’t fit your racialist narrative of Christian bigotry.

    Abolitionists, mostly Christian, went to their deaths by the thousands free your ancestors, at least in large part explaining even to this day, most American blacks influenced by the deeds of Protestant Christians including a Black Baptist minister going by the name of Martin Luther King. Because your ancestors understood who were their emancipators – including the President at the time named Abraham Lincoln, a wholly religious Christian.

    When and if you and your abhorrent President can say the same of the Muslim faith with regard to those who supposedly pervert their religion, and they take it upon themselves to destroy those who have co opted their faith bringing death and destruction, I’ll stand up and applaud them. Until that time, I tell you that you’re not only misinformed, but your opinions diametrically opposed to the real truth.

    But it is not going to happen.

    And the reason it is not going to happen is that these militants are carrying out the wishes of their founder, just as the Abolitionists put it on the line and carried out the wishes of their founder.

    It amazes me in your relativism, you can’t understand the difference – in message and deed.

    If you’re not a party to evil, you’re certainly a willing participant to propagate the continuing lies.

  175. “I’m a bit surprised you’re not applauding the fact that the DOJ left Wilson alone instead of trumping something up.”

    Oh yeah. Yay.

    golf clap

    Great job not bringing a case you can’t win.

  176. “Your problem Tigre is that with the exception of the previous comment, anything positive I’ve said about Christianity is usually followed by a “but”.”

    Your problem is that none of what you just said was said previously.

    You hold Christianity in contempt. I’ve been around here long enough.

  177. “1) Were the DOJ findings in Ferguson manufactured?”

    I don’t know.

    I also don’t know what “findings” you a referring to.

    Is this like the alleged racial bias with speeders in NJ pursued by the DOJ until it was revealed that blacks actually speed more? Do you know?

    Please enlighten.

    “2) If not, do you believe the Ferguson PD unique in these practices?”

    Again. What practices? I’m not up on them.

    But for the sake of argument let’s say they are. It doesn’t change what I said, unless you’re referring to the DOJ’s practice of persecuting white police for political gain.

    The Rutherford tingle-toggle.

  178. How would you know what they say or think?

    True Pools. In fact you’ve caught me in an inconsistency. I’ve accused the assembled of talking out of their ass about Islam but since I’m not privy to talk among Muslims, I too am talking out of mine.

    Touché.

  179. Tex I think you are doing what James is doing … getting the cart and horse backwards. I’m not saying Christianity was responsible for slavery. I’m saying evil men cloaked their evil in Gods approval and endorsement. And again moderate Muslims are trying to tell you the same thing.

    Let me ask you a simple question. Do you not acknowledge that throughout history, religion (and lack thereof-atheism) have been used as excuse for evil deeds? Can you even go that far?

  180. I’ve been around here long enough.

    An amnesiac could be here for years and not be able to testify to shit.

    I’ve never done the itemization I did in the earlier comment but I have again and again and again acknowledged that Christianity has been a force for good. But I don’t ignore where it hasn’t.

    It’s funny. You’re guilty of the very thing you always accuse me. Whatever I say that doesn’t fit into your profile of me gets buried.

    And yes I think Christianity and other religions are so full of fantasy that I wonder how grown men and women can “believe”. Maybe that’s the “disrespect” part of the contempt definition that you’re latching onto? But I don’t hate Christians.

  181. Tigre I think you’re being deliberately obtuse. A man sitting/napping in his car accused of pedophilia. Men stopped for walking in the wrong “manner”. Man arrested cos his girlfriend wouldn’t shut up.

    And before you go there, no I haven’t read the full DOJ report. This is stuff I’ve seen in the papers and on TV. It paints a picture of a police force that treated its black constituents consistently with disrespect.

    Of course this is justified because as Rabbit says, they are feral.

  182. Is this like the alleged racial bias with speeders in NJ pursued by the DOJ until it was revealed that blacks actually speed more?

    Damn I sure would like to see what scientific study proved blacks speed more.

    Of all the infractions I would expect to be equal among whites and blacks, speeding is one. Men behind the wheel are transformed. I don’t buy any racial component.

  183. “We’re talking about faulty interpretation.” At last you understand. The Christian religion did not cause slavery as Obama and some others implied. It rationalized the practice.

    A wide gulf exists between slavery and Jihadism. Slave owners tended to protect and house their slaves out of economic necessity.Some owners even taught their slaves to read and write as well as the Christian religion to save their souls even when it was illegal to do so. Slave owners cared for their people as if they were cattle because to do otherwise was economically stupid.

    Jihadism is a cult of death and Muslim intolerance. Even moderate Muslims sometimes discriminate against other religions. If we honestly cite our bigoted past it needs to be an object lesson to cite our adoption of a superior culture and religion with an attitude of tolerance.

    More importantly, our slaves and slave holders are all dead. Muslims have practiced their culture and religion for over a thousand years. As I wrote, to blame Christianity for causing instead of rationalizing slavery without citing our modern relatively enlightened nature compared to modern Islam is a blatant lie.

  184. I’m surprised blacks speed more too. I know they drive like shit in general, but it seems its always 10 under. So I would have thought the oppoisite!

    Terry stops….everybody cries foul until the black guy walking with “swagger” at 3 am is in your apartment parking lot. Then he becomes suspicious worthy of a question and a quick pat down for weapons.

    Racism is a problem on police forces that work in the feral wastelands of shit. It grinds a weaker man down day after day. The ignorance, the depedence, violence.

    Rutherford is correct. Racism in police forces in the worst ghettos are an issue.
    Even black cops have issues with being racist.

  185. I don’t know about more blacks speeding. You might be right about it. However, I do know that blacks shooting out of car windows are more numerous than whites or Asians in Omaha.

  186. “Damn I sure would like to see what scientific study proved blacks speed more.”

    It was a particular stretch in NJ. I didn’t say “all blacks” speed more.

    I have already given you the fucking link, which you ignored. Go Google it if you really “want to see” it. Jesus.

    “And before you go there, no I haven’t read the full DOJ report. This is stuff I’ve seen in the papers and on TV. It paints a picture of a police force that treated its black constituents consistently with disrespect.”

    Well I haven’t read any of it. But it’s the DOJ. The ones the motive I referred to. The ones that insisted on the Zimmerman prosecution. TTHE ONES SAVING FACE. So why don’t you spell it out for me if you think it refutes my point?

  187. “It’s funny. You’re guilty of the very thing you always accuse me. Whatever I say that doesn’t fit into your profile of me gets buried.”

    No I’m not.

    R, you are one of the most intellectually dishonest on the board and willing to change things as you go along (e.g. your exchange with Muffy about Biden). Here’s another.

    You view Christianity as a conservative thing and it conflicts with YOUR religion. You view it as a child and attack it similarly without hesitation. You act as though it’s your job. I’ve watched you get all excited when someone like Pfuckface joins you to mock, ridicule, and denounce. Never an informed discussion.

    Again, you hold Christianity in contempt. Yes, I “really” believe that — you’ve offered ample proof. I don’t care really. It’s your after-the-fact bullshit that’s irritating.

    So, deny it all you want, you are bigoted as fuck.

  188. “Even black cops have issues with being racist.”

    Yep. And it ain’t just cops. Years ago I used to work at a music venue that had different stuff on different nights. Might be hard rock one night, funk another, then rap. The brothas I worked with hated working the black events. They had no problem saying it.

  189. “I’m surprised blacks speed more too. I know they drive like shit in general, but it seems its always 10 under. So I would have thought the oppoisite!”

    Lol. Same shit here.

    The NJ accusation was based on a false correlation. Maybe that’s the same in MO, maybe it’s not. But what is the same is the motive and desire to make accusations or racism.

    I gotta say, I don’t know why all the racists seem to want to work in urban black neighborhoods.

  190. I’m saying evil men cloaked their evil in Gods approval and endorsement. And again moderate Muslims are trying to tell you the same thing.

    Then I’ll assume you would have approved of those Christians who freed your ancestors as equals to history (if you approve at all, ingrate) by being pacifists instead of liberators and saying nice things about slaves, while condemning the slave masters with cliche and harshly worded letters to the editor? Kind of a historical precedent to The Cowardly Lion President’s policy of leading from behind?

    Deeds, not words. Get it?

  191. @ the bar just in case anyone wants to peruse it:
    http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf
    Thats the pdf of the 105 page DoJ report on Ferguson.
    I think the report could be applied to a number of communities in America and not along the racial lines. Way too many municipalities have resorted to using their police departments and other code enforcement entities as revenue producers.
    I think the 85% of vehicle stops, 90% of citations, and 93% of arrests compared to 67% of the population thing is actually a red herring. It is an uncomfortable truth that socio-demographics easily explains policing impacts just as they explain housing issues,jobs,education woes too.
    The disparities as it were of policies throughout the country is quite remarkable.The practices in place for municipal and county courts and the police found in many parts of the country are alien concepts here in the land of Cod& Beans.
    As for the spin on the report by the left leaners of the media sphere I say shame. Focusing on the albeit trumped up happenings of the post basketball game cooling brother in the park ultimately he was operating a vehicle illegally and for some time yet still collecting a federal paycheck.
    Should’ve he been approached? I say no but I can appreciate the profile potential. The ramp up from there on seems like something that could easily be viewed in either pro cop mode or pro citizen mode.The charges other than the license issue are bogus.

  192. Plenty of Muslims die daily fighting the Muslim nutters. The ones getting killed are not necessarily “moderate”. That is a false term that given the political slant is embraced. Over and over again westerners view things through their lens,its understandable but it puts one at a disadvantage.
    For example the ISIL shits have bulldozed ancient Assyrian statues in the name of Islam and this is heralded by many as proof of Islam. Thing is the Muslims of Iraq gladly hosted the statues as part of their heritage and have protected them for centuries. Some would say this is proof of Islam as well.
    Perhaps ISIL is just fuck heads and the Iraqis like tourism dollars

  193. Perused but not read Alfie. It has all of the signals of an agenda driven report — some are what I refer to as “lawyerly.” Subtle terminology designed to color cold stats/info. The anecdotal shit is just that.

    The DOJ is focused on Ferguson and building its case there for a reason. It pisses me off in its intent. The very same intent in jumping into the fray in Ferguson to begin with and with profound consequences for the peeps in Ferguson.

  194. Nobody claims Islam equals ISIS.

    I say Islam exists on a continuum of suckatude ranging from a rather benign not-for-me to Nazi. At its softest, its still not very compatible with American notions of freedom.

    The best Muslims are half assed Muslims.

  195. Could Disinfo Jones be right in calling Ferguson a trial balloon? That’s what he was saying last August. Boston was another. There has been a full on media press to keep it part of our daily bread. All these controlled distractions to chew on…

  196. There is one universal truth regards government,academic etc entities formed for dog whistle (blue ribbon) issues. They are meant to only find fault.
    Still though I think Ferguson representative of too many communities and departments. Red necks + revenue issues = bad things for blacks and whites alike.
    In my neck of the woods we have a variation on a theme thing going for us. The smaller communities have steadfastly gripped onto their individual fiefdoms and the turf battles thereof. As bad as Beacon Hill can be they kind of pale in comparison to the city and especially town boards laden with intransigent townie thugs.
    We have a number of communities who should be pooling their police,fire and DPW workforces but that is blasphemy amongst the unions and hacks. Property taxes and regulatory fees are the answer du jour here though as opposed to police and courts.

  197. @ rabbit I think the biggest defining issue with Islam in the west is the wests misguided bending over backwards via multiculturalism and political correctness.
    If democracies would only stay true to democracy they would suffer nothing from Muslims,Jews,secular humanists,Celtic/Norse pagan worshippers or Christians.
    Religious people who want to dictate the public sphere are like toddlers. The answer to their whines must often times be a firm NO!

  198. The best Muslims are half assed Muslims.

    😆 The burqa’s intent now becomes clearly evident. American notions of freedom may not be compatible with the Father of creation. Who you gonna call?

  199. Alfie, I see nothing contradictory in my post. Please clarify your accusation.

    Anyone with media privilege is part of the system or is excommunicated. Because truth is always used as bait, much of what they report can be true. Truth controlled and meted out in doses sometimes laced with little lies can persuade a entire collective to react a certain way. This isn’t a new phenomenon. Organized religion has used the same tact for eons. There are textbooks on this, even our military manuals.

  200. “I find organized religion as a whole spun from wishful thinking, very grounded in a fear of death and the need to comfort ourselves about what comes next.”

    I’m just curious on what are you basing your theory that man’s search for meaning is grounded in the fear of death?

  201. “are you” should be “you are.” I think.

    “Religious people who want to dictate the public sphere are like toddlers. The answer to their whines must often times be a firm NO!”

    Not for nothing but that is some vivid prose. Also fine is your “slip is showing” remark.

  202. It has all of the signals of an agenda driven report.

    So fucking what? Did the report document fact or fiction? Who gives a flying fig what the “intent” was? If it reports facts then Ferguson is fucked up and needs reform.

    And oh my God-such terrible intent-to go witch-hunting for racists in a position of authority. Oh what terrible intent!!

    Tigre, if it were up to you blacks would still be in chains cos the abolitionists had “an agenda”.

    God you can talk such horseshit.

  203. @ Poolman I took your entire history into account when I made my comment and you doubled down with your follow up.
    I don’t know about the others here but perhaps I’m just confused about you.
    Alex Jones is either super troofer who you and yours fervently support or he’s a CIA operative on a mission to promote disinformation.
    Either way you spin on that there is your history embracing Jones stance on Sandy Hook,the Boston Marathon and FEMA.
    As for Ferguson you confuse me as to the context of the discussion in regards to George Soros. Perhaps more of an assumption on my part that you like Soros,or at least believe the causes he drops dollars on are good ones but it seems to me you would be a Soros-phile.Hell even your precious RT ties him to Adbusters/aka OWS.
    His indirect support of Ferguson,Staten Island and Cleveland story lines is very much in line with a long term agenda item for Georgie boy. He rails against the police especially in its most militant forms. You have echoed his positions in these very threads and you are absolutely a Radley Balko fanboy. Put that all together and you’re all over the place as far as Ferguson is concerned.
    Basically I’m having a hard time taking you serious and non-contradictory whence you claim everything is a false flag,that the loudest claimants of false flags is an ally to the flaggers and that the initial flag wasn’t the real fallacy but the new one is…

  204. I’m just curious on what are you basing your theory that man’s search for meaning is grounded in the fear of death?

    You’ve substituted religion with the words “man’s search for meaning”. Secular philosophers search for meaning. This search is by no means exclusively religious.

    Off the top of my head, I’d break every religion into 3 parts:

    1) The Creation Myth – how did it all get started?
    2) How to live.
    3) What comes next (after death).

    Some religions, like Christianity tie part 2 to part 3, i.e. if you don’t live right you go to hell.

    All you need to do is listen to post-mortem condolences to see religions role in making death more palatable.

    “She’s in a better place.”
    “He’s looking down at you right now and he’s so proud.”

    Hell, Muffy, I’m not religious and I’m guilty of it. My mom wanted to go to the theater a lot but my dad resisted until AFTER she died. I’d always say when dad dies mom’s gonna kick his ass for suddenly being interested in the theater.

    Religion serves many needs but making death palatable is right up at the top of the list.

  205. “So fucking what? Did the report document fact or fiction?”

    Fiction.

    “Who gives a flying fig what the “intent” was? If it reports facts then Ferguson is fucked up and needs reform.”

    I do. This is our DOJ. It’s God Damned important you fucking moron.

  206. What about “justice” in the department’s name escapes you?

    You wanted them to take an “objective” stroll around town and then say “nothing to see here”?

    Michael Brown was an assclown who sadly had a bullet coming to him. What you want to ignore is the backdrop against which his shooting occurred.

    But even if you don’t like the race angle, are you cool with the police being revenue generators for the city?

    How do you feel about civil forfeiture where the police can randomly take your shit without any accusation of crime?

  207. And where’s the fiction Tigre? In 2015 being stopped for your manner of walking should be fiction. Maybe you think the report is fictitious because you don’t believe we’re talking about this 50 years after Selma.

  208. R, I substituted man’s search for meaning because I assumed you were talking about faith (mind and heart) and not the body (the church).

    Bill Nye attributes faith to pretty much the same thing – man’s fear of death. He attributes evolution to the same.

    Thanks for answering. These are rhetorical responses –

    1) The Creation Myth – how do you explain the origin of the universe and its components?

    2) Not living right (assume you’re referring to sin) means you go to hell – that’s news to me.

    I wonder though if the rejection of God is about being uncomfortable with the idea that God is watching us, at least in part.

    3) That’s not faith. At least it’s not a mature call to faith. What you’ve described sounds like a child’s way of thinking.

  209. Rutherford, you’re a little slow on the uptake so let’s try it using your logic.

    Rutherford, The Village Idiot, Salem, MA, 1692: “And oh my God-such terrible intent-to go witch-hunting for witches in a position of witch craft.

    Troubled Citizen: Uh, seems like a flawed endeavor. “Did you read the report? Pretty incredible. Done by a bunch of young, untrustworthy girls, with an axe to grind.”

    Rutherford: “What? Look at how many witches we’ve already caught. Oh what terrible intent!!”

    Troubled Citizen: “What if they’re not witches?”

    Rutherford the Village Idiot: “Such horseshit. What part of “justice” in DOJ don’t you understand. hahahahahah.”

    I’d hit you with a rolled up newspaper if I could.

  210. “In 2015 being stopped for your manner of walking should be fiction. Maybe you think the report is fictitious because you don’t believe we’re talking about this 50 years after Selma.”

    face palm

    Too stupid for words.

  211. Rutherford, “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow was justified in the name of Christ “. Obama did not directly say Christians caused slavery or the Crusades. I am reading between the lines and watching subtext.

    On the face of it, Obama’s inclusion of slavery and the Crusades at the prayer breakfast was as irrelevant to the subject as was the video of the French line dancers I posted. It had absolutely nothing to do with ISIS.

    For one thing, the people he mentioned are all dead and cannot contribute to anything except to serve as props. So why would he include such irrelevancies in a prayer breakfast talk? He had a reason.

    I’ll tell you why. Obama was defending Muslims by telling us that we are no better than they are. We have killed and tortured as many people, though not last week. The Muslim god sanctions their blood lust as our God does ours.

    God, through His representatives, justified slavery etc ( to demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid. To demonstrate sufficient legal reason for an action taken.) Justify, Obama’s word, tells us that God and his representatives knew slavery and the Inquisition were just and good. Obama didn’t say God inspired slavery, but he might as well have. Had God’s representatives intervened, slavery would never existed because God would have forbidden it. Thus, Christians through God permitted and encouraged slavery and bigotry.

    Obama’s feat of time travel made long dead people equivalent to violent Muslims. Any day now, Southern Baptists will start crucifying Methodists.

    He also conveniently omitted the Christians who fought to end slavery because he wanted Christians to share the blame imposed on Muslims. Repentance was one of the most important concepts Obama could have cited. It is central to our war with Muslimism

    Had he been honest, Obama would have cited our society’s redemption and Muslims’ need to sanctify themselves. He didn’t do that because he wanted to blame Christians for bloody deeds and make Muslims appear to be not so bad because we would have done the same.

    Aside from the possibility that Obama was too obtuse and unaware to understand what he was saying, a real possibility, I think Obama’s obfuscation is the only logical explanation for his words.

    If you have a better hypothesis please present it.

  212. I’ve already told you that some of my ancestors were on both sides of the witchcraft trials. One girl accused a woman of bewitching her, and her parents served on the jury which convicted the woman. Her husband who was also charged, escaped. One of John Alden and Prisilla’s sons who had married into the family was also charged with witchcraft.

    From what I have read about my family, religion had little to do with motivation for the awful deeds. Grievances and mob behavior akin to One Direction crowds of fans were the main players for my ancestors at least.

    They didn’t become religious until after they applogised and the jury reversed its verdict three years later.

    The witch killing fervor faded after prominent people were being charged. The Salem witch craft trials were not an isolated event. They were the last gasp of a European tradition hundreds or thousands of years old.

  213. James, that is dead on, except for the “Obama was unaware” part. He was blowing the dog whistle for the bigoted Rutherford-types.

  214. Had he been honest, Obama would have cited our society’s redemption and Muslims’ need to sanctify themselves.

    On that we agree. Obama chose the glass half empty when he could have gone half full.

    It reminds me of what Bill Maher said last night (paraphrase) “The civil rights act, women’s sufferage, gay rights are all things we should applaud. Just a shame they all fixed things that we fucked up in the first place.”

  215. Dang it! I took almost an hour to craft a reply to Alfie and hit one wrong key and POOF! – Gone!

    Oh well, it’s probably best. Let me just say if you were taking my ‘entire history into account’ you would have caught my saying you and Alex are on the same page regarding Je suis Charlie. Oh, and for the record, I despise George Soros.

  216. That Ferguson report about racist police forces was not only misleading, it was meaningless. So what blacks are stopped more frequently? They’re a damn site more lawless in every capacity – riots, theft, behavior, vulgarity.

    Why is it too far fetched to believe a populace that represents approximately 1/8 of the population that commits 1/2 of the violent crimes doesn’t also live the rest of their life accordingly? If I had a dollar for every time some banger had blown me at 95mph on the expressway, I’d be a millionaire from the observation alone.

    That Ferguson shit was nothing but an end run to save face – anybody that partook in that sordid Ferguson, MO incident, owes office Darren Wilson an apology – especially Mssrs. Asshole Obama and Holder.

  217. Thanks El Tigre and Rutherford .

    Songs are mostly poetry put to music, and one can read intended or unintended messages in them. I used a Sofia Jannok joik to illustrate a more constructive reaction to racism than the methods some of our minorities employ.

    The Sami were burned at the stake and their shamen were murdered. They were forbidden even to sing or to live in houses larger than a certain size. They were sent to America as slaves, first for New Sweden and later for the British colonies.Their children were sent to Christian schools to educate the culture from them.

    Even now others call them mongoloid mongrels and other derogatory names. In Russia, they still face job discrimination. Large companies still steal their land.

    They basically take a positive route and use the media and courts to redress modern grieviences, not the sins of previous generations.

    Ella Henderson is a British singer critics compare to Adele. People who fall for black and other race baiting ought to take her song “Ghost” to heart.

    ” I keep going to the river to pray “Cause I need something that an wash all of the pain And at most I am sleeping all those demons away But your ghost, the ghost of you It keeps me awake. Give up the ghost. Stop the haunting baby.” Obama, Al Sharpton, and Eric Holder know better, but like vampires they refuse to let the past die. Another verse describes them.

    “My friends had you figured out (we here) Yeah, they saw what’s inside of you. You tried hiding another you, but your evil was coming through.”

  218. I’d suggest a far more measured response to the DoJ Ferguson report so as not to get too much egg on ones face.
    The municipal court system and budget component to the findings are pretty clear cut that regardless of the civil rights/race aspect the city is out of control.
    @Tex I think your stop sign experience illustrates what really is afoot in Ferguson and there it’s on steroids.

  219. @ Rutherford you’re not alone in the bridge name change camp. I’m with those that were there who say the name should stay. I also find the story to be illustrative of the devolution of our society.
    Keeping the name which really has no meaning outside the history is all about a symbolism that questionable is beyond most people. A bridge,civil rights march,racism you just can’t make up better stuff. If you change the name I think you lessen the impact of the history which contrary to the rah rah of the 50th instills is diminishing.
    The organization,will and intent of the Marchers speaks a lot louder than a handful of social media using e-petition types. My god can you imagine if MLK & Co. depended on hashtags instead of keeping it real?
    Not for nothing in a confessional kind of way…Big on history,story taught to me countless times,either never knew or forgotten the name of the bridge

  220. Your point? Is it buried within those broad generalities and false equivalences? It may need sharpening. Your purpose was to discredit. Is that your point? If so, you can stick it. 😛

  221. Pool I don’t think anyone here needs ME to discredit YOU since you do a more than adequate job of it yourself. I do not like you though and I find your existence intolerable so when you show how ridiculous you are I do like to highlight it just in case anyone is paying attention to either of us.

  222. Alfie I think I get your point about not changing the name of the bridge but the fact the name remains is just another example of the South’s lack of repentance.

    On our quick drive through the south over the weekend my wife spotted more confederate flags than I care to count. The symbol of an outlaw state, of no greater value than a swastika.

    Tell me how many streets and bridges in Germany bear the name of Adolf Hitler?

    The honest truth is for all the dialog about race, this country really maintains a matter of fact “get over it” attitude exemplified by Tigre and Tex. There is no real regret or sorrow. The enslaved niggers are now “free” niggers but they’re still niggers.

    High crime rate my ass. The more I think about how just unrepentant this country is – fuck, the South EMBRACES its racist history – the more I want the brothers to burn the whole mofo down.

    The civil war should have been a race war instead of north vs south. Whites won the war on behalf of blacks (yeah I know there were black troops – big deal) and have been handing out crumbs ever since – current Democrat party.

    Blacks should have won the war for themselves and then TAKEN what was due them.

    Incredible how white folks fuck over minorities throughout history blameless. Blacks and native Americans. It was your country but fuck you – enjoy the reservation asshole. Then we wonder why they are suicidal alcoholics.

    Maybe it’s Darwinian? Maybe blacks and American Indians deserve to be subjugated? What self respecting group allows interlopers to take over the joint? What self respecting group allows itself to be enslaved? Why didn’t we say “we’d sooner die than pick your cotton” and then commit mass suicide? Can’t run a slave economy with dead slaves.

    You wanna see contempt Tigre? I hold the folks who thought they could own other people in contempt. And I also hold those who celebrate their heritage of bigotry in contempt.

  223. Blacks should have won the war for themselves and then TAKEN what was due them.

    Why don’t you do it now? I can’t speak for Tigre, but I’m not telling you to get over it. I’m telling you that there is nothing to “get over.” 150 years, going on eight generations, is more than enough time to get over it.

    I find it interesting that a black man could make a drive thru one part of the country and immediately deem it racist. But that’s not what the data says. In fact, blacks are immigrating to the south.

    However, he never makes mention or gives little consideration that in his adopted city, blacks are killing blacks at a rate that makes war zones look tame. Why?

    Cannot blame that on the white man.

  224. @Tex I think your stop sign experience illustrates what really is afoot in Ferguson and there it’s on steroids.

    Agreed, Alfie. On steroids is right – as the need for revenue grows in the expanding behemoth, people have put a stop to taxation without representation (minus the bloodletting of property taxes, which they at least capped around here). So these political shills look for other forms of coercion to steal.

    I think there’s far more disdain of police forces over the chickenshit policing of fines than abuse. I knew that when I got that ticket a few years back and told the judge, prosecutor and lying cop so to their faces. You could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom with heads shaking in unison.

  225. Tex, when the junior high school my dad worked at discovered it was named after a slave holder they renamed the school.

    I say we’ve made lots of progress legally but changing hearts and minds is different.

    I’m beginning to wonder if you really deep down think there was anything wrong with slavery. As you say, the heathen savages were saved from Africa.

  226. Powerful and passionate comment Rutherford I offer that with true sincerity .
    That said I am not sure your call for repentance is as fully valid as you think it is.
    Germany doesn’t live a life of reflective repentance but one of imposed shame,there’s a difference and you should be careful about what exactly you try to have happen. In fact one could say that Reconstruction was strewn with the imposed shame stuff and actually caused the very backlash that Jim Crow etc represented.

    Ignorance is a big nut to crack and its in no small part a factor in the prevalence of the Confederate flag. I grew up experiencing a different kind of thing. Being British surrounded by Irish heritage Bostonians who thought nothing of flying the Irish flag and scribbling IRA on something let alone a certain wall in Southie that looked like something off the Falls Rd. was actually steeped in an ignorance that the IRA was killing innocent people left and right.

    Racism and ignorance skip down the lane hand in hand but sometimes they’re separate things. I’ve found the South to hold a very mixed bag of folks. Some have been fervent Confederates who would gladly resurrect the glory days. Others were honestly proud of the past from the independence angle with zero positivity for slavery,Jim Crow etc. Still in my experience most were “this is the South” and whether they were black,white or other I didn’t get a feel they really knew what they meant.

  227. @ Tex I can’t recall the title but I read a book a couple of years ago that was all about how the South is now better than the North regards race relations. It included Texas in the South but it spoke about jobs and social gains etc. and it was very damning for the liberal blue cities.

  228. Some have been fervent Confederates who would gladly resurrect the glory days. Others were honestly proud of the past from the independence angle with zero positivity for slavery,Jim Crow etc. Still in my experience most were “this is the South” and whether they were black,white or other I didn’t get a feel they really knew what they meant.

    Alfie, I think that’s a very fair assessment. It also answers Tex’s supposition that I paint the entire South as racist. I fully see and accept the breakdown that you offered. It’s the fervent Confederates that get my dander up.

    I’m amazed that instead of hearing “thank God the war saved us from ourselves”, we get “we LOST the war”. Noooo, you lost a deeply immoral way of life. Try embracing your civility, even if it was forced on you.

    Alfie, you’re more the student of history than I. Do you think had Lincoln lived, reconstruction would have gone differently?

  229. I think Abe a great man and President and that his assassination only helped the pro-punitive factions cause.
    That said I think even with Lincoln Reconstruction would have been an uncomfortable time for the South and open for some of the issues like carpetbaggers and scalawags etc. Obviously the reflex that came well after a Lincoln Administration would’ve been gone might have still occurred.
    keep in mind for all his noble airs Lincoln did take the leash off Grant and Sherman.

  230. Race relations are way better in the South than the North.

    Rutherford, what is it you want from me? The atonement I said you were after, and you denied? What is it you think you are owed from Southerners?

    Those are serious questions, and will be followed with questions about how it helps the people you claim to represent (but really don’t).

    p.s. I am dead serious about your bigotry too. You are extraordinarily ignorant yet locked into a moral superiority snit.

  231. One of my law partners is Southern history/nostalgia types that just bores the shot out of you with all of his wind-swept tales of Southern culture. Consumed and reverent.

    He is also the biggest bleeding heart liberal panzy democrat I know. He would offer Rutherford an apology on behalf of all white people if shot a wounded look.

    There’s more to the Southern regional pride, Rutherford. It’s awesome to see you retire to the fainting couch with your Warner’s Bros., rest stop experiences.

    Your calls for shame are entirely selfish. Don’t count on it from me. I owe you nothing. My ancestors are from Sweden. I have a closer tie to the black community than probably anyone here, certainly you. Simply put, I will not feed the monster.

    You can go clean your countertops now. That rage will help with the stuck on stuff from Sunday morning breakfast. . . last month.

  232. I’m beginning to wonder if you really deep down think there was anything wrong with slavery. As you say, the heathen savages were saved from Africa.

    Trust me. There’s no one that wishes slavery never happened more than I do, but perhaps not for the reasons you do.

    The very idea of slavery is foreign to me. I can’t even imagine how anyone could ever condone it, much less practice it. The thought of a man working slave labor, especially at the end of a lash, is hateful to me. I am absolutely sure I would have never practiced, even given the chance without punishment. I am sure I would have done something to put an end to it if the opportunity arose out of simple human decency.

    But do you know how tired I get of defending Christianity from bigots like you that use slavery to denigrate Christianity? Doesn’t matter you are historically inaccurate. Your message has resonated with a large populace, once valid, now mostly an excuse for lawlessness and thuggery. It has so divided America, it’s not coming back – now to the point I have decided the races should be segregated. In a decade, I’ve gone from a historical sympathizer to resentment. I’ve come to view Black America of one of respect to viewing most of you as ingrates and thugs. And I have to work very hard to separate the decent blacks who don’t think like you from the rest of the majority pack.

    If you think that’s my nature to approve of bigotry, you’re sadly mistaken. As to your trip?

    I think you went looking for confirmation of your biases and found it in your small mind. I think it makes a man at one time I had a measure of respect, look small and guilty of the very thing he condemns.

  233. No.

    But I know some die hard liberal democrats that carry the white guilt you demand that do.

    As I said, there’s more to it than your little mind can wrap around. The flag issue is not, in and of itself, equal racism.

    I for one didn’t and in many ways still don’t get the regional pride of the South. It doesn’t exist to the same extent anywhere else I’ve been.

    But you know what Rutherford The Bigot, many, nay most, of my black friends from the South take great pride in their culture. You don’t speak for them. And I assure you, they don’t want you speaking for them. They’d be embarrassed by your ignorance.

  234. “I think you went looking for confirmation of your biases and found it in your small mind.”

    You think? 😆

  235. LOL Tex I am so pathetically unobservant that I wouldn’t have seen a confederate flag if it were right in front of me. I am truly Mr. Magoo.

    My wife spotted the flags. The only thing I saw (in Georgia) was a plantation billboard that pissed me off. Don’t know what it is about GA that they can’t give up the plantation thing. They were bragging about them 20 years ago when I visited Atlanta.

    On the contrary Tex, everyone I encountered during my weekend was friendly and gracious. I did not spend the weekend seething.

    It’s only when I think about the arrogance of plantation adverts and landmarks named after racists that I seethe.

  236. So your ancestors are from Sweden el Tigre? My wife’s grand mother moved from Sweden when she was sixteen. I wrote how the Swedes enslaved some of my ancestors and tried to destroy their culture. Members of my own family and yours showed as little humanity as American slave owners showed to others of my family. Imagine the angst I feel to be related to Swedes. What are you going to do about it to restore my hurt feelings?

    You saw the video of Sofia Jannok. Does she deserve the oppobruim some Swedes still dump on her people? We need an Al Sharpton to blackmail you Scandinavians into giving us our just due. If blacks can do it, so can Sami/Fins. Maybe I should fly a Sami flag from my home.

    Does anyone realize how stupid this debate is becoming? Just dumb as my comment. This is irritating me, and it is making me ashamed to be part of modern American culture.

  237. It’s only when I think about the arrogance of plantation adverts and landmarks named after racists that I seethe.

    Those plantation owners are long dead and their worldview has long been rejected. Their just due was received the day of their death and their legacy one of contempt – a punishment you cannot begin to comprehend and neither can I.

    I suspect, though I admit it is conjecture Rutherford, that your wife holds no small part of wanting to see the world as she wants to see it too. It’s a form of moral indignation that many White Leftists prefer to practice like the Pharisees of long ago, believing it makes them somehow “more righteous” and more liberated. And I’m guessing your wife is just as ignorant about the South as you are, spoon fed that unholy liberal claptrap about how intellectually superior and pious those Corridor Libs are in their pursuit of social justice – a justice they wish to facilitate but not partake, by the way. We’ve seen the superior intellects on display on both coasts the last couple of decades, as their towns and states crumble into disrepair and their towns explode into gang warfare. Make no mistake, St. Louis is far more North than South – really a smaller version of Chicago. They very much remind me of each other.

    If I am wrong about your wife, I apologize. But I hold no more resentment than I do toward those disingenuous white libs preaching to me about their moral righteousness in their putrid sanctimony and complete phoniness. I hold them in much greater contempt than I do any black man.

  238. @Rutherford interesting that you bring up plantations. I almost ended up relocating to South Carolina in 2007. I pretty much had my choice of where in the state so I ended up looking into two areas,the “Upstate” specifically the Greenville /Spartanburg area and the Charleston region. Anyway I actually had occasion to visit an old plantation and found it was presented in a manner consistent with historical and pure capitalism designs.
    It depicted the life of the slaves honestly from their housing to how two types of jobs specifically were favored. (domestic work in the Big house and barge duty**)
    The place was in mixed hands including the descendants of the original plantation owners who were pursuing tourism as a way to keep the land and house. Other draw to the place were the antique collections which I skipped and the natural environment of the walking trails which I found most interesting. This is the same way aristocrats in the UK maintain their ancestral homes and in some ways how the Newport RI mansions of the legacy rich are kept up.

    ** interesting note on the barge work. Sure you busted your ass loading and unloading it but in a rather ingenious way the barges depended on tidal surge to get up and down the river so there was serious laying out time.

  239. “And Tigre tell a Jew the swastika doesn’t represent anti-semitism.”

    Why should I? I never spoke to the symbolism of the Southern flag.

    First, that’s a terrible analogy. You realize that much of the Southern democrat movement was intended to provide voting rights to blacks for political gain, don’t you?

    Secondly, I am aware of the history of the flag and don’t support its official use. What makes you think I do? Kidding: it’s your ignorance again.

    Third, you’re arrogant, selfish agenda does not belong to me. The smelly vagina thing is for little bigoted minds.

    I live in the black mecca. I also just remembered one of my best friends down here is black and from Chicago. I really think he’d tell you to shut up. Really. You don’t understand the black urban northern culture nor do you understand black or white Southern culture.

    Pull your lever all you want. I am not affected by your charges.

  240. Give up the ghost. It is a metaphor about someone or something which so strongly holds a person that he/she is imprisoned.

  241. “Does anyone realize how stupid this debate is becoming? Just dumb as my comment. This is irritating me, and it is making me ashamed to be part of modern American culture.”

    The problem for the left is that I think they do.

  242. I never spoke to the symbolism of the Southern flag.

    Did I misunderstand this:

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    blockquote> The flag issue is not, in and of itself, equal racism. If that wasn’t a statement on the symbolism of the flag, what was it?

  243. So I’ve got a discussion with a guy at my place which led to a conclusion on my part of:

    Brown was likely everything negative attributed to him but clearly after more facts are known the city failed him and officer Wilson as well.

    Essentially I’m thinking the citizens of Ferguson are living in a f@#$ed up situation,the police officers are more or less placed in an unenviable and untenable position all along the city is dependent for over 10% of its budget from the code actions.
    Curious if folks think Ferguson created its problems or did the problems create Ferguson?

  244. “everyone I encountered during my weekend was friendly and gracious”

    They were just being bad southerners. Everyone knows that you can define an entire culture by the deeds of a relative few and by cherry-picking its ideological past.

  245. “Did I misunderstand this.”

    Yes. I am not sponsoring the flag, as you seem to think I am. And I am not saying that can be offensive to some. In fact, because it does not represent all, I don’t think it is a appropriate to state sponsor. But, unlike you, I also know that it represents more than racism to many — the whole fucking point of this waste of time discussion. There is a cultural pride here that is not centered on your one-dimensional simplicity.

    What the fuck did you think I was saying? Why am I supposed to tell Jews to accept a Nazi flag? This reads like a five-year old.

  246. Everyone knows that you can define an entire culture by the deeds of a relative few and by cherry-picking its ideological past.

    Huck thy name is sarcasm. 🙂

  247. Why am I supposed to tell Jews to accept a Nazi flag?

    Because you’d tell blacks to accept the confederate flag due to its cultural complexity and subtlety. You don’t think there are Germans who look back on “the old days” with nostalgia and nationalistic pride? Jews should understand the rich cultural meaning of the swastika right?

  248. Not to take anything away from my earlier compliment but R you’re going down a twisty road now re Germany.
    First and foremost todays Germans are not without positives from their 20th century past. Industry,the Autobahn and excellent adaptations/innovations of sectors such as the post office system.
    I’d also say the Nazi/Confederacy comparison differs in that the Germans were ripe for NSDAP after the crushing double blows of WWI and the Depression. Some Americans find it a distasteful comparison but the Germans,Italians and Americans got out of the Depression in the same manner.
    And not for nothing but isn’t it a shame the Hindus can’t get their symbol back?

  249. “Race relations are way better in the South than the North.”

    Like 100 times better then the north.

    I see Rutherford is back from his highway ride to the South. He saw Confederate flags, used the handicap shitter in the rest stop off of I75 twice and slept on top of a motel comforter. Frick and Frack’s commentary poisoning his daughter the whole trip down.

    Now he’s Mark Twain, of course.

    Void of any real connection to anything societal or cultural, the dumb ass segregates himself to the same retard classroom he wrongly was shoved into as a child.

    MSNBC and superficial shit rules his world. Abstract Matt…I can’t stand him anymore. Even his genes were spread by a fucking turkey baster.

    If I can’t say anything nice maybe I should say anything at all.

    Suck me….I’m going fishing for a few months until I can play nice with the fucktard.

    Rutherford the know nothing cluck

  250. If I can’t say anything nice maybe I should say anything at all.

    A bit late for that notion huh? Go fish. Maybe you’ll catch something …

    contagious.

  251. “Because you’d tell blacks to accept the confederate flag due to its cultural complexity and subtlety.”

    What? No I didn’t. I said the exact opposite you fuck wad.

  252. Hang in there Rutherford. The gang is just giving you grief because you left them to their own devices and went on vacation! I must say though for whatever reason you came home with a “don’t mess with me” attitude which I like. Some of that Southern “bless your heart” must have rubbed off on you 😉

  253. The funny thing Raji was the weekend away was great. Everyone friendly. Got a particular kick out of a pizzeria waitress in Kentucky with a lilting southern accent. Pizza with a southern accent.

    What got me going was watching the Selma coverage and folks crossing the Edmund Pettus bridge. I had heard someone on the tube wonder why the bridge hadn’t been renamed and the more I pondered it, the angrier I got. So I tweeted about it prompting Alfie’s initial comment.

    If it were just up to my recent visit south minus the Selma coverage, I’d be quite mellow.

  254. I just got through busting up a porch and sidewalk with a 20lbs sledgehammer and have decided I’m really glad I don’t have to do that every day. A man can do some serious damage with a 20lbs sledge.

    The sidewalk wasn’t too bad, but the damn steps weren’t much fun. I think I busted a gut carrying around larger pieces than I should have, too damn lazy to smash them into smaller pieces. I wonder what the hell one does with a couple of tons of concrete? Maybe I will unload it late one night in some asshole’s front yard. 😈

    My wife wanted to hire a small dozer and pay somebody to do it Hell no, I’m going to be a man about this stuff. Pass me the Aleve.

  255. Why are you sledging sidewalk? Ain’t that the job of the city?

    One of the few advantages of disability is not troubling myself with physical labor that will injure me as I get older.

  256. Gave into a moment of pettiness today, with which maybe only Tex could sympathize.

    Several months ago I tweeted race-baiter Joy Reid about Trayvon being a thug. She responded with some inanity and told me to “be gone”.

    Just found out Joy’s show got cancelled. So I made sure she knew I was glad MSNBC was telling her to “be gone”. I felt small doing it but I also felt satisfied.

    Shame she didn’t get fired altogether.

  257. I’m glad you had a good time.

    alfie is right about the Germans. My wife is half German, and 2/3 of the people living around here are Germans with some still exchanging visits with relatives in the old country. They are different from some, but they are as nice as any other ethnic groups. But for the grace of God we would have behaved as the Germans did.

    Icing on the cake would have been if Joy had remembered you and read your message.

    I think the problems created Ferguson, not the other way around.

  258. Raji, what are you on? Rutherford was treated like I expected, and he comes back worked up over Obama’s Selma exploitation. Kinda sad. Glad you like it. 🙄

  259. James, to jog her memory I attached my congrats on her cancellation to her tweet telling me to “be gone”. Even if she doesn’t remember, I got the last laugh.

  260. No Tigre I came back a week ago a happy camper. And interestingly I haven’t been moved too much by the Selma coverage. It’s just that damn bridge that got me stewing.

  261. Then what s Raji saying? You come back bad-mouthing the South and then say you weren’t treated poorly by the ignorant racists. I tell you there’s a cultural component that you don’t get and you argue with me, someone that doesn’t share it but observes it. They’re not contrite? Fuck you.

  262. He came back talking about the stars and bars and making ignorant attacks like he always does. You applaud this?

    Oh, bless your heart. 🙄

  263. Tigre you act like you haven’t been on the blog in days. I got home last Tuesday. So I didn’t come back the least bit vitriolic. I tweeted about the bridge today.

    For a transplanted northerner you sure are one defensive motherfucker.

  264. “I got home last Tuesday. So I didn’t come back the least bit vitriolic. I tweeted about the bridge today.”

    You posted comments about the South and the flag TODAY.

  265. I’m glad you got the last laugh, Rutherford.

    A decorated police officer shot an unarmed back teenager in Madison, Wisconsin. He then gave the teenager CPR. The police chief is meeting with the family. Its too early to know, but he appears to have had problems with the law. Its also too early to know, but it seems the police department is making a more effective outreach effort than the police in Ferguson.

    However, the racists will be gathering if they operate true to form.

  266. Why are you sledging sidewalk? Ain’t that the job of the city?

    Not in the backyard, it ain’t. I decided to build a ground level deck leading onto the back porch. My damn dogs, or I should say horses, have literally turned my once beautiful backyard into a mud hole, not to mention the new one decided to chew my Japanese Maple down to the ground and the other took a sampling of the french doors. Their bedroom is the windowed in back patio and their ruining it. If I let the big one into the house, in minutes, it would be razed. Ever tried to get mud out of brick? It took a pressure washer last time to make a dent, which then mildewed. 😡

    I am an animal lover – but I swear these hounds are purposely a pain in the ass to me for being a softy. They use me. Like my daughters. 😛

  267. You posted comments about the South and the flag TODAY.

    Oh good God. I responded to Alfie who I assume read my tweet. That’s why I posted comments TODAY — not right after I got back from my trip.

  268. ET, WTF?

    A garbage collector outside Atlanta has been sentence to 30 days in prison for start his work too early.

    Kevin McGill, 48, who works for Waste Management Inc, took a guilty plea deal after violating an ordinance in Sandy Springs, north of Atlanta, that bans collections before 7am.

    He turned 48 on Friday, but reported to a local jail at 6pm after being allowed to serve his time on the weekends so he can still work collecting wealthy residents’ trash so he can support his wife and two children.

    The bin collector didn’t have a lawyer when he was sentenced and has filed a motion to withdraw his plea, McGill’s new attorney Kimberly Bandoh told Daily Mail Online.

    However, the Court Chief Solicitor Bill Riley asked for a 30 day sentence for the offense of picking up trash around 5am in the suburb and the judge granted the stiff penalty.

    He was sentenced on February 20th at the local courthouse, the running of which has been handed over to private contractors by the city.

    There were no real negotiations between her client and Mr Riley when he was sentenced, Ms Bandoh told Daily Mail Online, adding that the solicitor had claimed the offense meant ‘automatic jail time’.

    Mr Riley has stood by the request for jail and says that ‘fines don’t seem to work’ and ‘The only thing that seems to stop the activity is actually going to jail.’

    The solicitor said that residents of Sandy Springs, which include professional athletes and executives for Delta Air Lines, begin calling 9-1-1 when they hear early garbage men, according to WSPA.[…]

    A representative for the company went to the courthouse with McGill, who expected to be ordered to pay up to a $1000 fine, Ms Bandoh said.

    Marla Prince, a spokesperson for for the company, told DailyMail Online that ‘The incident with WM employee Kevin McGill is very unfortunate and we are currently working with WM Legal Counsel to resolve the situation’.

    She said she had not heard of a driver going to jail for a similar incident in the firm’s South Atlantic area of Georgia and the Carolinas.[…]

    McGill had never been to jail or even appeared in the court system, and no other charges factored into the judge’s decision to give him jail time.

    He began serving his sentence last weekend for the February 5th citation and will continue losing his free time into the summer.

    Ms Bandoh said that the sentence was originally for 30 straight days before someone in the court spoke up and said that McGill should continue working and collecting the suburb’s trash.

    ‘I just want this to be over with,’ McGill said, adding that he finds it hard to sleep in his hot jail cell.

    The worker was also sentenced to six months of probation, when he will pay fees to Sandy Springs, according to Vice.

  269. You do the crime, you do the time. Bastard’s gotta pay, Gorilla. 😆

    Hell if I know.

    Unrelated aside, I once had a mailman that would come around on Sunday afternoons because he’d sometimes not deliver on a day or two during the week. I wanted to kill him.

  270. “One of the few advantages of disability is not troubling myself with physical labor that will injure me as I get older.”

    Good point Rutherford, unlike Tex who is going to reap the rewards in old age 😉

  271. Tigre you are way too Northern to understand “Bless your heart” but in simple terms it means “F*@k you” in the polite way only Southerners can do 😉

  272. I remember ordinances like that when I lived in the South but never knew one to be prosecuted. Maybe Sandy Springs needed to supplement the budget like Ferguson.

  273. unlike Tex who is going to reap the rewards in old age

    LOL. Perhaps. I think Tex is already is reaping a few of those rewards. There’s a line between sedentary lifestyle and in over your head. Throw in the aggravation of working around these hounds who feel they need to supervise over my shoulder, my blood pressure went up about 30 points yesterday. 😛

    There is one saving grace. At least you hope to get a little smarter as you get older. Every two or three swings, I asked myself, “Do you want your back to match your knees, Bluto?” So I would fiddle around and fight dogs.

  274. It should amuse everyone to know that my attempt to calm down an abusive customer of color completely failed.

    “I don’t care if you’re black. You’re still a cracka.”

    He then repeated “cracka” ten times before I hung up on him.

    I’m having a fun day. 😐

  275. “I don’t care if you’re black. You’re still a cracka.” He then repeated “cracka” ten times before I hung up on him.

    LOL. Sounds like an ongoing debate I’m having with one of the brothas. So far, he’s called me honkey, cracka, Massa, racist – in no particular order. I keep correcting his spelling after he bragged his IQ at least 20 points higher than mine. That really burns his rubber. 🙂

    Alfie, I’m scared if I hooked up a rig to these hounds, they might take the stem wall with them.

  276. “Vice President Joe Biden slammed 47 Republican Senators who signed a letter urging Iran to reject any nuclear deal with President Obama on Monday, calling it “beneath the dignity of an institution I revere.” The letter, organized by Sen. Tom Cotton, threatened that any deal reached between U.S. and Iran would need congressional approval or it could be undone after Obama left office in two years.”The decision to undercut our president and circumvent our constitutional system offends me as a matter of principle,” Biden said.”

    Has this country truly lost respect for the office of POTUS or is it only because of President Obama ?

  277. Here’s what has Raji up in arms in concern for Dear Leader Obama:

    “It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress,” the letter states. “First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.”

    “Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then — perhaps decades.”

    What that means, they wrote, “is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei.”

    “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time,” the letter concludes. “We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.”

    Traitorous… 🙄

  278. Part ll: Iran responds to GOP Letter

    http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2015/mar/09/part-ii-iran-responds-gop-letter

    Foreign Minister Zarif added that “I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfil the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations.”

  279. I will have to catch up on comments. For now:

    Pool I don’t think anyone here needs ME to discredit YOU since you do a more than adequate job of it yourself.

    Alfie, I recall the wall-eyed hissy you threw when I began commenting here and how you tried to have me banned – my freedom of speech usurped. I recall a post in2the fray dedicated to me and why I should not be allowed to have my virtual voice. When you did not get your way, you vowed to not return as long as I was permitted a format herein to express my views. You did that TWICE, if my memory serves.

    When it comes to credible, you can probably spell it. And all I ever promised was I would always spell your name correctly. I have kept up my end these 4 plus years.

  280. Tex, take off your GOP hat! Everyone should be up in arms. I could give a flying piece of shit what Obama thinks or doesn’t think or how this effects him. I do care about the office of The President of the United States The action taken undermines the USA role in world politics. What is a sad state of affairs is this is nothing but a slap in the face to Obama regardless of the international consequences.

    I would like to hear Gorilla’s take on the matter.

  281. What really bothers me regarding recent events promoted by GOP members of Congress is if such events continue we may well be looking at our first woman POTUS and her name is Hilary and that is not what I want to have happen in 2016

  282. Tex the letter was bullshit. The Iranian Foreign Minister got a graduate degree in … wait for it … the U.S. of A. Some of these Iranians know our constitution better than Tom Cotton does.

    Puhleeze this was a blatant attempt to undercut the POTUS. It was the second punch after the Bibi stunt.

    Let’s hope history does not show that these yahoos CONTRIBUTED to Iran getting the bomb.

    You should be ashamed to even challenge Raji on this unless you really are a profound doofus.

  283. LOL Raji, Zarif’s response was equivalent to “Tom Cotton, you ignorant slut”. 😆

    We look like amateurs and yokels on the international stage. How embarrassing.

  284. “I would like to hear Gorilla’s take on the matter.”

    That’s an interesting question. My gut response was “what did the president think would happen” when he began abusing his authority so blatantly? The pitiful man even trash talks like Washington is his own private court.

    There’s no question the president is intolerant of ideologies and representatives unlike his own. The man is corrosive and poisonous.

    Then I wondered whether the oath congress takes prohibits this kind of thing, but moreover what does the military do if they are pushed to the limits? (Cotton is former military I think). It isn’t like their honor is as disposable as the president’s or congress.

    Bad times. Bad idea to follow the pied piper down this road.

    Rutherford your commentary is typically narrow and assy. Many people are concerned about the big picture and acting recklessly, not just congress. We’ve watched this president be wrong about world events over and over and over.

    And it’s one thing to lay the blame for Obama’s election on people who did not vote for the man either time but it’s another for you to start lying the ground work for spreading the blame on an Iran deal gone bad. There’s plenty of damn blame to go around. We are NOT living without the burden thousands of yesterdays.

    Maybe someone here knows more about the opaqueness of this Iran deal and can tell me that it’s my imagination that the president can fuck things up even worse than they are now.

  285. For some perspective…

    The Left is all in a collective tizzy over Sen. Tom Cotten’s open letter to Iran which advised that any agreement with President Obama is not binding on future administrations unless it had approval by Congress.

    Screams of “treason!’ and claims that it violates the Logan Act which states:

    “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

    Problem with this? The Logan Act specifically refers to ‘private correspondence’. An open letter on social media advising of the nature of the Constitution hardly seems to qualify.

    Unlike Nancy Pelosi’s private meeting with Bashir Assad, as we have previously noted. Or Ted Kennedy asking the Soviet Union to interfere in the 1984 election against Reagan.

    Or Jimmy Carter and Jesse Jackson.
    Jimmy Carter actually sent private correspondence to the UN, lobbying against the U.S. resolution from the first Bush administrationbefore the UN Security Council, trying to demand Iraq get out of Kuwait.

    Listen to Brent Scowcroft:

    In the midst of this careful diplomacy, former President Jimmy Carter wrote the members of the [UN] Security Council asking them not to support the resolution. He argued that the costs in huiman life and the economic consequences, not to mention the permanent destabilization oif the Middle East, were too high and unnecessary,”unless all peaceful resolution efforts are first exhausted.” He called for the UN to mandate a”good faith” negotiation with the Iraqi leaders to consider their concerns, and to ask the Arabs to try to work out a peaceful solution,”without any restraint on their agenda.” It was an unbelieveable letter, asking the other members of the council to vote against his own country. We found out about it only when one of the recipients sent us a copy. Carter later acknowledged he had sent the letter, but claimed he had told President Bush what he was doing. He did send the President a similar one, but without mentioning he had also lobbied the President’s foreign colleagues. It seemed to me that if there was ever a violation of the Logan Act prohibiting diplomacy by private citizens, this was it. President Bush was furious at this interference in the conduct of his foreign policy and the deliberate attempt to undermine it, but told me just to let it drop. –

    During the Reagan Administration, Jesse Jackson almost made seeming violations of the Logan Act a cottage industry, visiting Syria, Cuba and the Sandinistas, with purpose, as Dr. Karin Stanford, professor at Cal-State Northridge noted, at least in part, of promoting their positions in the face of U.S. administration.

    At that time, folks on the Left like Stanford argued against the Logan Act. Stanford said it “constrained the citizen diplomat” like Jackson and it was unconstitutional, in her book, “Beyond Boundaries, Reverend Jesse Jackson In International Affairs”. Of course, the fact that she was his mistress might have influenced her opinion.

    But once again, just another instance where rules will be over-applied to Republicans, but should be done away with completely when it comes to the Left…

    Ted Kennedy you say? Well, yes, I do…

    If these progressives want to know what actual treason looks like, they should consult liberal lion Ted Kennedy, who not only allegedly sent secret messages to the Soviets in the midst of the cold war, he also begged them to intervene in a U.S. presidential election in order to unseat President Ronald Reagan. That’s no exaggeration.

    According to Soviet documents unearthed in the early 1990′s, Kennedy literally asked the Soviets, avowed enemies of the U.S., to intervene on behalf of the Democratic party in the 1984 elections. Kennedy’s communist communique was so secret that it was not discovered until 1991, eight years after Kennedy had initiated his Soviet gambit:

    Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

    “On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

    Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

    Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

    First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

    Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

    Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

    You can read the full KGB memo detailing Kennedy’s secret letter and request for electoral intervention here.

  286. “I would like to hear Gorilla’s take on the matter.”

    Hmmmmm, what is my take on this…

    Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 states: ” [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur…

    So, do Senators have a right to have an opinion on foreign policy? Absolutely, because they have a Constitutional role in U.S. foreign policy. Is it constrained? Absolutely, but theoretically, so is the President…

    There’s two things happening here, one is obfuscation and the other telegraphing. The second first, and that is the Senate is telling Iran that any deal they strike has to meet the Senates muster too, not just Obama. Is that interfering? No, it is a fact of Constitutional law and standing.

    The obfuscation is attempting to mask this fact with hyperbole and distortions. The Dems have done far worse than simply writing an open letter. As I point out, what Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, and Nancy Pelosi did clearly violates the law, but also goes well beyond what Sen. Cotton did.

    Admittedly, I don’t like the fact that U.S. foreign policy is being conducted this way, by either the GOP or Obama, but I’m admittedly sympathetic to the GOP only because this Regime repeatedly violates the law and does whatever it wants, whatever the consequences. Sometimes you have no choice I guess, so I commend the Sen. GOP in their actions, if at least it slows down, if not sabotages this ridiculous premise…

  287. I think Rutherford deserves better than you pools and your lies and vileness have indeed driven me to the timeout box. That matters not since you are a liar and evil.
    Hows your sides “little green men” story holding out since Vlad confessed?
    Rutherford permits rhe digital presence of all o us but especially you at his peril and pleasure.

  288. <

    blockquote>Tex, take off your GOP hat! Everyone should be up in arms. I could give a flying piece of shit what Obama thinks or doesn’t think or how this effects him. I do care about the office of The President of the United States and; Puhleeze this was a blatant attempt to undercut the POTUS. It was the second punch after the Bibi stunt.

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    blockquote>

    Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Barack Obama have all met and worked with foreign enemies without consent of Congress as required by Constitutional law, including: Syria, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela.

    Hillary Clinton operated her own private network to conduct state business – clearly against the law. She is the leading Presidential candidate.

    You two can now shut up about following protocol. I don’t want to hear another word from you duplicitous hacks.

  289. So G’s reply is “nanny nanny noo noo YOU did it first”.

    I can see G now as a kid in the backseat of the family car next to his sibling: “But he started it!!!”

  290. Thank you G. And I wouldn’t mind hearing more about that (@12:51 & 12:54) Alfie. No sirree.

    Half the country if not more think George Washington presided over that battle (WWI) and JFK penned the Declaration of Independence.

  291. Thanks Gorilla. Apparently today’s form of communication allows the general public to be more aware than in previous decades.

  292. “So G’s reply is “nanny nanny noo noo YOU did it first”.”

    It’s clear that’s what you hear, yes.

  293. The Senate lead by Henry Cabot Lodge crushed Woodrew Wilson on the Treaty of Versailles and the whole League of Nations thing. I find that a great example of how Prez can wheel and deal and make international promises but the Senate can stop it with no wiggle room unlike Kyoto for example (EPA by proxy)

  294. Explain please why you referred to me as a duplicitous (deceitful, treacherous) hack (a person who does dull routine work)

    Go for it!

  295. I like gorrilla’s comment. The Democrats have proven themselves more interested in their political success than our country’s welfare.

  296. Raji, duplicity as in selective outrage….

    Where was your loud voice of criticism after Barack Obama 22 times announced publicly that he didn’t have the authority to invoke amnesty for five million illegal aliens, only then to find authority to do so without explanation and over the will of 2/3 of America?

    And you want to feign outrage about political protocol? ** VOMIT ** I expect that from a disingenuous fool and Obama lackey like Rutherford. But you ought to know better.

  297. Is that what I said? The Dem claims are hyperbole and are completely inaccurate. Then I gave you several examples of instances that actually reflect what the Dems are claiming, all of which happen to be Dems. My challenge to you R would be to identify something of parity that the GOP has some that matches the examples I provided. The letter to Iran doesn’t come close.

  298. G, you forgot John Kerry and Tom Harkin negotiating with Ortega behind Raegan, and, hell, Kerry’s North Vietnamese pow wows.

    I side with you on this.

    Raji, explain why the Powell letter traitorous please. Is there some reason for delusion the Iranian response so aptly points out?

  299. Raji, explain why the Powell letter traitorous please. Is there some reason for delusion the Iranian response so aptly points out?

    Tigre you’ve lost me…? Tex was the only one using the the word “traitorous” as in sarcasm. Can you refer to the post in question,please?

  300. I was paraphrasing.

    Explain why it’s such an outrage.

    Points of reference:

    “Has this country truly lost respect for the office of POTUS or is it only because of President Obama?”

    ands

    “Everyone should be up in arms. I could give a flying piece of shit what Obama thinks or doesn’t think or how this effects him. I do care about the office of The President of the United States The action taken undermines the USA role in world politics. What is a sad state of affairs is this is nothing but a slap in the face to Obama regardless of the international consequences.”

    Since you often ask for explanations, some of which I have spent time providing (e.g. net neutrality) only to have it drop, I would like to get your rationale on this rather than having you kick it back.

  301. p.s. the the word “traitorous” is the term used by the shrill liberal media machines, including those that look to the Daily Beast from which you quoted.

  302. My rationale is just what I thought I was saying that I thought it an outrage that members of Congress (not even a majority) approached a foreign country (Iran) with demands outside of the office of POTUS.

    I have since been informed by Gorilla that this incident is not a precedent and has occurred many times in the past by other members of Congress and Presidents

    I guess my outrage is more of embarrassment when it appears that Congress is airing it’s dirty laundry in public and what is really behind the action of the 47 is an attack on Obama not on the presidency.

    I feel that Congress and the American people have lost respect for the OFFICE of POTUS. Maybe what bothers me most is this lack of respect period!

    As Tex said where was my outrage when Obama broke the law…… I guess my outrage should have started with Nixon. I’m just late to the party!

  303. No outrage over the lack of respect for the separation of powers and Congressional authority to enter into binding agreements with foreign nations? All that was stated to Iran was a truism. If Obama cuts a deal, it will not bind the next administration without appropriate Congressional approval. Now, after reading that response from Iran, don’t you agree that Powell’s announcement might come in handy if Obama’s secret deal isn’t ratified after his departure?

    And, as though you couldn’t tell, I find Obama’s contempt for the constitutional restrictions on his authority brazen, unprecedented and an affront to the role of the presidency itself. Following the last elections with Obama carrying on as though they never happened, I find little fault in using whatever means are necessary to reign him in. Simply put, it is Obama that has no respect for the office.

  304. “No outrage over the lack of respect for the separation of powers and Congressional authority to enter into binding agreements with foreign nations?”

    ET, I have outrage about almost everything our government does and yes I think it boils down to lack of respect for all branches. The republicans are no better than the democrats as it’s all about power.

  305. Strictly speaking the GOP Senators have overstepped their authority via exerting inappropriate efforts into the equation not to mention showing they have no alternative diplomacy to offer

  306. I think pretty much no matter how you sli e rhe Senators are kind of out of line. The negotiations are technically not bilateral they are part of the P5+1 thing which means they exist under Congressional sanction secondary to the UN. The Senate have the ultimate control over a final agreement but only to the extent that they can release the USA

  307. The IAEA referred the issue of Iran’s nuclear program to the UNSC in 2006, after finding that Iran was in non-compliance with some of its NPT agreements. The NPT is the basis for all of this. The IAEA are the eyes of the NPT and the UNSC are its teeth.

    So, unless I am mistaken, the nuclear deal with Iran is actually a deal between Iran and the P5+1 (essentially, the power bloc of the United Nations Security Council) and not actually with the United States of America.

    If so, I’m pretty sure that cuts the Senate out of it. I don’t think the Executive requires advice and consent of the Senate in order to act as the country’s representative in the UNSC. There have been interim deals made between the UNSC and Iran, and I think the Senate only had the power to (or not to) add on additional, sort of “US only”, sanctions against Iran.

    The United Nations Participation Act of December 20, 1945 states that the president can negotiate with the UNSC agreements that are subject to approval by Congress. But, in this case, is the president negotiating with the UNSC, or is he acting as our representative within that body? According to the link above, “The Constitution recognizes a distinction between ”treaties” and ”agreements” or ”compacts” but does not indicate what the difference is.” It’s perhaps a subtle difference–but a quite meaningful one.

    So, if this particular agreement is all just about US sanctions on Iran, then I’d agree that the Senate has the constitutional authority to be involved. If this is about UNSC sanctions against Iran, which the US can either take part in, or not, then I don’t think so.

    Of course, we can always just pull out of that nasty UN and remove ourselves from the discussion, as many here have argued in favor of so many times.

    On a secondary, but related note–Israel isn’t a signatory of the NPT. It’s nuclear program has never been scrutinized. Yet it wants to have a say in deals involving the enforcement of a treaty it isn’t even a part of. The fucking nerve…..

  308. “The Senate have the ultimate control over a final agreement but only to the extent that they can release the USA”

    Which would immediately remove any US sanctions against Iran that are based on previous UNSC actions regarding the NPT. New sanctions would require a new sanction process, beginning with the Executive, and requiring 2/3 Senate ratification. Anyone think 2/3 of the Senate is going to agree to anything?

    If you boys want to play the game, you first need to learn the rules.

  309. Rules are passe. Nobody plays by rules anymore. Rule followers are preyed upon. We are a predatory society. Eat or be eaten.

    Speaking of eating… Rutherford,

    WHEN ARE YOU GONNA CLEAN THAT NASTY STOVE??!!!
    😆

  310. This could also be rendered moot if Iran were to back out of the NPT–which it can, under Article X of the agreement. All it would have to do is give 90 days notice, claim that the treaty jeopardizes its national interests, and tell the world to fuck off.

    Maybe Iran should send an open letter to Tom Cotton explaining how that system works.

  311. What rule says a presidential agreement or compact isn’t subject to change under a different president?

    What rule says Senators can’t write a letter?

  312. “What rule says a presidential agreement or compact isn’t subject to change under a different president?”

    I’m sure Iran would welcome that. Because we really aren’t making a deal with Iran. We are making a deal with the UNSC, who is really the one making the deal with Iran. So instead of asking why can’t a president back out of that agreement–which they can–you should be asking what happens if they do.

    Once that happens, it would possibly end any and all UNSC sanctions against Iran until new agreements were made.You think Iran is going to agree to anything after the US proves it won’t honor its agreements? You think some veto power on the SC won’t veto any new agreement after the US shows bad faith on agreements? You guys aren’t really thinking this through.

    Once you understand that this really isn’t an agreement between the US and Iran, the whole argument falls apart.

    I’m not the one speaking to the legality of the letter, so I’ll let those who are answer that. I’m not saying it was illegal or treasonous. I just think it was stupid. In this condescending “lesson” on the US system of government, all these Senators have proven is that they lack an understanding of the international system in which this whole thing is taking place. Which is why the GOP is constantly being made someone’s bitch—they don’t understand the systems.

  313. I think we’ve turned the corner off Tragic Ln, now we’re cruisin’ Comic Cr. 🙄

    Belhadj, a Libyan national and former head of the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, was considered by President Barack Obama’s administration and some members of Congress as a “willing partner” in the overthrow of Gaddafi in 2011.

    “Now, it’s alleged he is firmly aligned with ISIS and supports the training camps in eastern Libya,” Catherine Herridge, chief intelligence correspondent for Fox News, said Tuesday on “America’s Newsroom.”

    Also on Tuesday, Sara Carter of The Blaze tweeted: “Abdelhakim Belhadj is now the leader of #IslamicState in #Libya. At CIA rendition camp — let go, later participated overthrow #Qaddafi.”

    http://sputniknews.com/news/20150305/1019074958.html#ixzz3TrVmTDBx

    Now about those pesky Arabs… “Off with their heads!”

  314. I am glad to engage in a discussion that doesn’t include an appeal to authority.

    Do you have any comment on ANY of the other things I have raised? There’s a lot there, so please—take your time. Time the GOP clearly didn’t take with this idiotic letter.

    Perhaps this will help:

    “”It is a multilateral negotiation, but we want to make sure that our positions are aired,” said Fabius, who stressed several times the need for a “solid agreement”.

    U.S. officials privately bristle at what they sometimes see as France’s effort to insert itself into the diplomacy on Iran and other issues. Some other diplomats close to the talks say Washington is rushing into a deal with Iran.

    From the outside, it appears as if the negotiations are fundamentally a U.S.-Iranian bilateral discussion, with the other nations briefed and brought in periodically.

    As well as the United States and France, the other world powers involved in the Iran negotiations are Britain, China, Germany and Russia.”

    Did you get that? “A multilateral negotiation”. If Cotton doesn’t understand that, then no, he doesn’t understand the system.

  315. I am trying to figure who the fuck you’re talking about angry man:

    “Which is why the GOP is constantly being made someone’s bitch—they don’t understand the systems.”

    So why does a “multilateral negotiation” change the purpose of the letter?

  316. Also, my assumption is you approve of the deal, whatever it is, and the propriety of Obama’s commitments outside of congress.

  317. Actually, your idiocy does appeal to the ultimate authority…the authority of the fecklessness of the consummate uselessness known as international law and the U.N. – a stupid cliche if there every was, by the way in the attempt to sound scholarly – ;the l.f. commonly known at 3rd rate, liberal art institutions as “bandwagoning.” 😈

    all these Senators have proven is that they lack an understanding of the international system in which this whole thing is taking place.

    Much to “scholarly” chagrin, this is still a sovereign nation even with President Abdul at the helm. And since Iran announced a proxy war on the U.S. in 1979, I for one and damn glad 47 Senators wrote this letter and disgusted that seven gutless shitbirds didn’t sign it – next on the list for movement to retirement. We don’t need anybody’s permission to protect our own interests – and it the apogee of stupidity to believe we do. Truly Obamaesque.

  318. I’m over 30 comments behind so this has probably been already covered.

    OMFG I have access to FIVE email accounts on one device. How stupid does HRC think we are? She had one email account to avoid carrying two devices?

    I’m sorry ladies and gentlemen. The chick ain’t running for dog catcher. She’s not just toast, she’s burnt toast.

  319. The negotiations are technically not bilateral they are part of the P5+1 thing which means they exist under Congressional sanction secondary to the UN.

    This is essentially what the Iranian foreign minister said when he took ignorant and arrogant Tom Cotton to school.

    As I said earlier how friggin embarrassing. I’m not outraged. I’m not angry. I’m embarrassed.

    And yes, Cotton presented no opinion about alternatives. But you must understand that when the only motive is to exact revenge on Obama for the immigration move, you don’t need an alternative. You don’t need a long game. Just the short term ejaculation that comes from trying to humiliate the POTUS. Yup, a GOP full of horny boys in need of instant gratification.

    And about the word arrogant that I used earlier. “Let me teach you about American government”. How fucking condescending! Like Cottons talking to little boys. I guarantee you the Iranians understand our gov better than we understand theirs.

    What fools. The talks will fail, the progress toward a bomb will continue and everyone will get the war with Iran they so desperately want.

    Or why don’t we just have John McCain sing it for us.

  320. On a secondary, but related note–Israel isn’t a signatory of the NPT. It’s nuclear program has never been scrutinized. Yet it wants to have a say in deals involving the enforcement of a treaty it isn’t even a part of. The fucking nerve…..

    Music to my ears. Preach brother preach!

  321. So why does a “multilateral negotiation” change the purpose of the letter?

    Tigre please enlighten me. What was the purpose of the letter other than to humiliate the POTUS and make him look impotent?

  322. A) I agree with Huck and Alfie that as a UNSC thing, this pushes the envelope on what the Senate can do, but…

    B) I don’t think the Senates’s letter was stupid. I think it just reflects where this Administration is in its policies, which…

    C) Considering what is proposed, taking in some of the points made of pundits and Bibi’s speech to Congress, how is this agreement with Iran a good thing?

    D) What does Israel’s signature-or lack thereof-on the NPT have to do with Iran pursuing a nuclear weapon while they ARE a signatory to the NPT? I get you don’t like Israel, you’ve made that clear many, many times, but it has no bearing on Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons, unless you’re claiming that Iran is somehow developing a weapon in response to Israeli WMD aggression, in which case I just laugh at you. Hmmmm, who consistently threatens to wipe a race of people off of the map….. THAT’s some nerve….

    E) And I’m sorry, but a lecture on systems, laws and rules is a joke when talking about this Administration. Period.

  323. R@12:23 am
    HRC thinks she is above the law and if you guys think Obama is bad just wait until Hillary takes over. In her opinion she has done no wrong and people can just get over it. Accordingly she has turned over all emails pertaining to government but retaining all personal emails.

  324. “Accordingly she has turned over all emails pertaining to government but retaining all personal emails.”

    No she hasn’t. This is a “come clone and search my hard drive” response if there’s nothing there.

    The answers lie with the Clinton Foundation. . .

  325. “She’s not just toast, she’s burnt toast.”

    What’s the over/under on her not running?

    I thought it was 50/50, one of partners who has a picture of himself with Reagan from years gone by thinks I’m full retard for thinking there’s any possibility she won’t.

  326. It’s obvious to me that it more important to Rutherford that Obama followed, that Obama allowed to play King, shred the Constitution, and that the Obama policies never questioned. Whether Iran develops a nuclear weapon is a game; not serious. Rutherford when it comes down to it, is still the same Pavlov’s dog salivating at the name of Obama in 2008. I only take the man as genuine for one reason – Rutherford’s vote cancels mine.

    It’s nuclear program has never been scrutinized.

    Neither has Communist China, or the USSR, or even ours. Only traitorous shit heads like Obama give away trade secrets for free, especially those under existential threat like Israel.

    How fucking dumb does an individual have to be to not understand Israel and Iran are not one and the same players on the world stage? If you were foreign to this earth and landed on the Rutherford Lawson blog page, to read the relativist Pavlov’s dog, you would find at least some are of the opinion that Israel and Iran equally culpable bad players and world threat.

    People like Rutherford are what is wrong with this country, gang. Matter of fact, they are the real threat to civilization. It’s not Obama or Hillary. It is the millions of imbeciles that Jonathan Gruber spoke of and got busted for, not for deceit but for admitting the truth, that put these dishonest, immoral, self-serving morons in office – whether for special interests, or ideology, or race, or for being bought.

    Rutherford is both ignorant enough and arrogant enough to believe his pathetic little world will never be real under threat. And that might be true in conventional warfare. I mean, they are way over there and he is way over here. Rutherford is a thankless bastard and ingrate that knows better people got his front and back. But I got bad news for the Leftist imbecile.

    Fissile material changes everything even if Rutherford is too unintelligent to understand the power and the consequences. Just one in a major U.S. city will make 9/11 look like a pinprick – and there won’t be any rebuilding it.

    By then the genie is out of the bottle and there ain’t no putting him back. A lot of arrogant libs are going to turn to mush in a fraction of a second if it happens.

  327. “Oh God I’m loving this!”

    Your forked tongue is showing. Either you believe that this action could CONTRIBUTE (upper case yours) to war with Iran or you don’t.

    So Huck thinks the letter was stupid. And evidently he’s angry at somebody over that, most likely Tex. Does that about cover it?

  328. Tigre@8:57

    Wrong wording-I should have said “delete” not retain. Of course with today’s technology there is no such thing as delete!

    “In going through the emails, there were over 60,000 in total, sent and received,” Clinton said. “About half were work-related and went to the State Department, and about half were personal that were not in any way related to my work. I had no reason to save them.”

  329. What’s the over/under on her not running?

    I think in the long run people will just plain get tired of HRC just like they did with Bill during the Monica saga and she’s kidding herself if she thinks that subject won’t be brought up again. She’s been around for a long long time.

  330. Well, the dem establishment looks like it’s split on throwing her under the bus and looking for a new candidate. If so, the message for her might be to say that he health or some other non-relevant excuse is a reason no to run.

    But the Clintons are slimy and shameless. Perhaps I am full retard.

  331. Gorilla and others cited previous incidents that involved prominent members of our legislative branches singularly approaching foreign countries with regard to foreign policy. Looking over the roster of senators who signed the “letter” no one stands out in my mind as a prominent person except for John McCain in foreign affairs. People like Kennedy, Carter, etc. are known names to foreign dignitaries and are more apt to be listened to than 47 “unknown” (sarcasm intended) Senators

    I agree with Rutherford that the purpose of the letter was to humiliate the POTUS

  332. No time to do more than skim. Poolman wrote laws are passe. Democrats have demonstrated a willingness to break laws or skirt to the edge with little regard for the welfare of our country. They even have little concern for each other.

    Ted Kennedy asked SD senator Abourezk to negotiate a release of our hostages in Iran because Kennedy hoped that Abourezk an Arab-American could negotiate a release so Carter would be embarrassed and Kennedy would win an advantage in his fight for the presidential nomination.

    In 1986, congressional candidate Joseph, son of RFK refused a $100 contribution from Abourezk because of his extreme hatred for Israel. Abouresk felt betrayed and made the sordid affair public in a book and in interviews.

    The Democrats’ demonstrated disregard for the spirit of the law is more important to me than whether Republicans motives for the letter were misguided. Unless the letter was illegal, I’m glad they wrote it.

    I wrote after Benghazi that Hillary should be fired and Obama impeached. Several others agreed.

  333. And Obama should be humiliated time after time. The letter won’t mean much more than some newspaper headlines, but if it makes Obama look bad as he is, it and others like it should be written.

  334. John Kerry admitted at a Senate Foreign relations hearing that the Republicans and BiBi are right. “We are not negotiating a legally binding plan with Iran.”

  335. I think the international community wants a resolution to the Iranian nuclear saga and that it will be brought to be with or without Uncle Sam.
    The sanctions have been effective but I think the players are about to dump them for a number of reasons.
    Nukes in Iran are inevitable the US interest lies in establishing international controls

  336. FINALLY got fed up with my crappy cheap wireless router. Best Buy made an exception (or claimed to) and let us make a trade for a more expensive model. Keeping my fingers crossed that my long national internet nightmare is over.

  337. So, Kerry is saying that they are not negotiating a not legally binding deal with Iran. Which begs to question, if it is not legally binding, then what’s the point? And if it is not legally binding, then is this really a P5+1 deal, or something bilateral between the US and Iran?

  338. Its totally a P5+1 deal and I’ve seen it said by the UK representative that ideally the end result is a “legally binding” agreement which would really need to be an actual treaty. I don’t think after the rounds that have gone past that a treaty is in the cards.
    I seriously think what the sides are really pushing for now is basically a very public agreement on a laundry list of terms.
    Terms include:
    Inspections
    No weapon
    Nuclear fuel purchase arrangements most likely Russia
    Centrifuges downgraded
    Sanctions lifted

  339. Sanctions death kneel exist for the following reasons.
    China is looking for New Silk Rd 1&2 and will gladly buy Irans oil.
    Russia best candidate for fuel and infrastructure components. Also benefit from aligning with Tehran more strongly regards oil production as both Tehran & Moscow need oil over $100/barrel
    France is the European/UNSC outlier. Only other candidate for infrastructure contracts.
    UK & US lose no matter what

  340. I’m beginning to think you can’t be with a man of such mendacity as Bill Clinton for decades and not be a liar yourself.

    I am going out on a limb. I am elevating Benghazi above the level of nothingburger. Based on these email shenanigans I don’t trust HRC at all. I can no longer rule out that a smoking gun lies somewhere.

  341. “And if it is not legally binding, then is this really a P5+1 deal, or something bilateral between the US and Iran?”

    I gave all of this some more thought today.

    The proposed deal, which would be with the P5+1, would include an easing of sanctions by..well..everyone that is sanctioning Iran over their nuke program. But each country is sovereign and is permitted to act in accordance with their laws. It’s not legally binding for the US, because we have a process for making something legally binding, and Obama will be bypassing that on our end.

    So, technically, the US could keep its sanctions in place, even if everyone else chose not to, as part of a new deal. That would be going against what’s on the books in the UNSC, but it would not be going against what is on the books here in the US—because it requires Senate ratification to change what’s on the books.

    Obama will lift the sanctions basically by Executive authority, as he’s prone to do. It would be another in his long list of not following a current law as written. But, as the Senators pointed out, a new president could come in and say “i’m going to follow the law we have on the books” and put the sanctions back on.

    This isn’t something I recommend. When it’s returning to the laws on the books as they relate to domestic issues, that’s something between us and….us.

    But if the US breaks its word on the deal, regardless of it being binding to us or not, it would basically allow Iran to break its word in return. They would simply say “The US is going against the UNSC council deal, so the whole thing is off” and they would fire up the spinners again, as well as make more. The last time Iran walked away from talks it went from 2,000 centrifuges to 30,000.

    Plus, just because we put our sanctions back on, that doesn’t mean the rest of the world will. In fact, they likely won’t.

    So I admit I had failed to think through some things I wrote yesterday. However, there are others here who did the same. And I think the Senators are included in that, as well.

  342. “So Huck thinks the letter was stupid. And evidently he’s angry at somebody over that, most likely Tex. Does that about cover it?”

    Nope. I draw the line at it being stupid. I’m not mad about it. I’m passionate about the topic of international relations, that’s why the flurry of posts. But none of this has me angered.

    And I don’t even read most of the Rabbi’s comments anymore. After 8 years of reading the same thing, there is little point in continuing. It’s more fun to just snipe him with some mocking and move on. He’s incapable of meaningful discussion, anyway, so it’s not like I’m missing anything.

    “Neither has Communist China, or the USSR, or even ours”

    Wrong again, shithead.

    “In early 1981, the IAEA made its initial selection of facilities in which the full regime of safeguards, including inspections, was applied….”

    As usual, you didn’t read the words I wrote, you read the words floating around in your empty head. Nowhere did I say “nuclear weapons program”.

  343. “What does Israel’s signature-or lack thereof-on the NPT have to do with Iran pursuing a nuclear weapon while they ARE a signatory to the NPT?”

    You did catch where I wrote “side note” right?

  344. “I am elevating Benghazi above the level of nothingburger.”

    It’s never been a nothingburger and the mail business was practice to shield the Clinton Foundation shenanigans. Of course Obama never gave a fuck.

    Oh, and “multilateral negotiations.” 😆

  345. if you guys think Obama is bad just wait until Hillary takes over.

    Raji you took the words right out of my mouth. I didn’t say it cos I didn’t want to hear another “evil Obama” lecture.

  346. What’s the over/under on her not running?

    I may be underestimating her arrogance or her desire for punishment.

    She hasn’t even announced yet and she’s neck deep in scandal. If she’s not thinking “I’m too old for this shit” then she needs a shrink.

  347. Gorilla, I don’t get something. You and I face each other and you talk smack to me. I’m holding an Uzi while I tell you that you can’t have a gun cos you talk smack to me. Does that actually make sense?

    That’s Israel and Iran. “I have nukes and you can’t have them because you’re always talking smack to me. Oh and by the way I never threaten you but I clearly hate you.”

    Yeah I do think Israel has some serious chutzpah.

    How bout this for a deal? Iran, if you agree to halt all nuclear military development we (the international community) will force Israel to disarm also.

  348. Tigre I think it goes beyond Clinton Foundation. HRC wanted complete control of her communication and any audit trail associated with it, giving her plausible deniability for any number of potential fuck-ups.

    I’d like to see the server seized. Trey Gowdy says his committee doesn’t have legal authority to demand turnover of the server. But he said Congress as a whole might.

  349. By the time HRC’s server is seized due to legalities the 2016 election will have come and gone. HRC’s campaign will not be able to side skirt the issue just like John Kerry and the “swift boat”campaign.

    HRC was the driving source behind Clinton so was Clinton a man of mendacity or was it HRC all along?

  350. R, in the system of international relations we have, national interests–security first and foremost–rule the day. Israel did not sign the NPT, therefore they are not constrained by the restrictions within the NPT. Now, because they didn’t sign the NPT, everyone else who did cannot help them with nuclear issues, so the burden of R&D, etc, is all Israels. Iran signed it, and it is Iran that is clearly in direct violation of the constraints of the NPT. Further, if the UNSC–and the world in general–allow Iran to develop a weapon and just pull out of the NPT, like the DPRK did, then the NPT is worthless, and we’re going to see a massive proliferation of nuclear programs, especially in the ME. KSA is not going to sit by and allow iran, and/or Israel be the only nuclear powers in the region.

    Secondly, Iran does more than talk smack. Iran is the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. Iran has gone out of its way to target both Israel and US interests the world over. On top of that, there is a strain within Iranian politics that holds an apocalyptic version of the future similar to ISIL, meaning they believe they can usher in the second coming by certain actions. Do we really want to arm them with nukes when they have openly stated that they would destroy Israel given the chance, and considering that Israel is really only 1 nuclear explosion from ceasing to exist. Iran can absorb a shot or two, Israel can’t.

    So really, your analogy is crap. This isn’t about whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons, and attempting to tie Iran’s access to the weapons to Israels is foolish. The issue is Iran and the issue is the security of the region. I’d invite you to read the article ET posted a thread or two ago on Obama’s Iran strategy, and then I’d like to hear your thoughts…

  351. And I don’t even read most of the Rabbi’s comments anymore. After 8 years of reading the same thing, there is little point in continuing. It’s more fun to just snipe him with some mocking and move on. He’s incapable of meaningful discussion, anyway, so it’s not like I’m missing anything.

    You’re a more transparent liar than Hillary, schmuck – the flashing red light of dishonesty. You not only read my comments, you scrutinize them. You’re the most tedious fat bastard I’ve ever read.

    How many times to cover your non sequitur ass have you not noted “I chose my words carefully?” You must really take this place seriously. I don’t even need to generally give a great deal of thought to your worthless screed about international relations and history – results say everything that needs to be said about the worth of the U.N. U. and your knowledge of international affairs.

    You read like somebody’s village idiot assistant at U.N. U – just naive as hell about a great many things. Reminds me of somebody else I know here, Mullah.

  352. On top of that, there is a strain within Iranian politics that holds an apocalyptic version of the future similar to ISIL,

    There is a strain within Christendom that holds an apocalyptic version of the future too. The big difference is they already possess plenty of nukes. Israel has been using the same tired talking points against Iran for DECADES. None has proved credible. For as long as I recall, they have claimed and held up victim status to justify their MANY acts of aggression. They also have designs on world domination.

  353. Iran Israel is the greatest state sponsor of terrorism in the world.- FIFY

    That’s the historical record. They’ve had us to do all their heavy lifting. That is why war is our primary industry today. Even in a collapsing economy, the war industry has made record profits. These demons keep up the managed level of fear among our citizenry as key. This effort is

    ushering in WWIII.

  354. Elevating Benghazi beyond nothing burger is not going out on a limb.
    Even if Israel was the greatest sponsor of terrorism I would still support them over Iran. Iranians officially want to destroy us. Israel does not,

    Bush bears some blame and so do his predacessors, but Iranians should really thank Obama for helping recreate the Persian Empire.

    Its not the same, but I see similarities with the down fall of the Ottoman Empire, the “sick man of Europe”. Its weakened condition combined with imperialistic motivations of outsiders led to entanglements and alliances which ended with WW1 The Grand Game insidiously created opposing alliances ripe for battle. Something like it could happen again, maybe not in a shooting war but in economic confrontation, Or maybe shooting.

    I am beginning to think Hands up don’t shoot needs to be hands up shoot first.

  355. If Iran gets nuclear weapons or its neighbors think they will, everyone in the region will make or buy them as insurance. As foreign entanglements in the Ottoman Empire, created a risk for war, so will these, only the WW1 era nations did not have nuclear weapons.

  356. IF Iran were to develop a nuclear weapon it would enter their arsenal for reasons/countries that does not include Israel.
    I doubt Tehrans sincerity but I also doubt they desire a nuclear weapon.
    Israel has the science to do it themselves Rutherford just like the old South Africa did.
    In closing no disrespect to G but the echoes of Iran and terror is so very West. One nations terror plot is another nations fake revolution and installation of a friendly government. Western hypocrisy rubs the world raw.

  357. HRC email story is something to scratch your head about. I wonder if this is truly an anti Hillary shot or a case of clearing the closet early

  358. If we talk pure money, who has been the bigger purveyor of terrorism, Iran or Saudi Arabia?

    I think we forget that technically, Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9/11.

    As for Iran WANTING the bomb, could it be possible that THEY don’t want to start an arms race in the region? Such an arms race makes ALL players less safe, including Iran.

  359. Alfie the little I know about Webb tells me if he declares, the race becomes more interesting (vs O’Malley who makes drying paint look exciting). Webb is no-nonsense. A serious man and likely to be the adult in the room, challenging HRC to up her game. He’s an anti-war military man, a potent combination. Plus, as far as I know, he’s moderate, no liberal shmiberal.

    I think Webb, Sanders and Warren will force HRC to perform. They probably can’t beat her but they will stop it from being a cake walk.

    Biden, whom I like more than you guys do, poses no serious threat. He lacks what Warren, Webb and Sanders possess in large quantities: gravitas. Even HRC lacks their gravitas.

  360. To borrow a phrase from Obama, Scott Walker seems “likable enough” but I’m puzzled by his meteoric rise.

    Can he beat HRC? I’m not so sure. Bush and Christie could definitely beat her. Rubio’s a maybe. Paul and Cruz, probably not. But I can’t wrap my head around Walker.

    Any thoughts out there? He’s a union buster. I get that. Survived 3 elections I get that. Reaganesque?

  361. Step out of the box and look at Irans foreign policy actions as equal to western actions. Iran has mo qualms sbout an arms race since Tehrans goals are tied to a Shia hegemony

  362. Walker is be efitting from hype right now which speaks as much to the lackluster fields performances than his qualities. Outsider and good executive presence I think are Walkers selling points. I imagine his handlers ae salivating at the chance to paint him a middle class Joe.

  363. Ok Alfie, how do you square “Iran has mo qualms sbout an arms race since Tehrans goals are tied to a Shia hegemony.” with “I doubt Tehrans sincerity but I also doubt they desire a nuclear weapon.”

    If an arms race doesn’t bother them, then why do you think they don’t really want the bomb?

  364. IF Iran were to develop a nuclear weapon it would enter their arsenal for reasons/countries that does not include Israel.
    I doubt Tehrans sincerity but I also doubt they desire a nuclear weapon.
    Israel has the science to do it themselves Rutherford just like the old South Africa did.
    In closing no disrespect to G but the echoes of Iran and terror is so very West. One nations terror plot is another nations fake revolution and installation of a friendly government. Western hypocrisy rubs the world raw.
    ” – Alfie

    We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this. Tehran absolutely wants a nuclear weapon. First, it gives them leverage against the international community in that there will never be the threat of kinetic action because of that. Second, they have every desire to be the hegemon in the ME, and in modern times, they’ve been second to Saudi Arabia, but historically have held that role-they want it back and being a nuclear power goes a long way towards that.

    As for echoes, well, I’m not sure what you’re basing this comment off of, but I think it is crazy talk (which is rare from Alfie). Iran absolutely is involved in terrorism, and not just “freedom fighter” Palestine/Lebanon stuff, but no shit, text-book definition terrorism. We could potentially split hairs in places like Yemen or Bahrain, but there are plenty of places on different continents where they are interested in nothing other than creating terror. I obviously can’t go into details, but the history books are great indicators of the future. Tehran is no different now than it was 30 years ago…

  365. Gorilla, serious question: you don’t think Israel got help from us in their nuclear militarization? I’m pretty sure we financed their shield.” – R

    We helped pay for the Iran Dome, which is designed to defeat rockets and mortars, not nuclear missiles.

    First, do I think they have nukes? Yes. Do I think we helped them develop them? Absolutely not. It violates the NPT and we wouldn’t do that no matter how much we like Israel. Second, we don’t want nukes in the region because it is second only to Africa in its lack of stability, and that’s not a good place to have WMD. I don’t think we make an issue out of it mostly because Israel is a rational actor we trust and can influence, it’s probably not that large of a cache of weapons, and they’re not going to use the weapons for anything other than defensive purposes.

  366. HRC email story is something to scratch your head about. I wonder if this is truly an anti Hillary shot or a case of clearing the closet early” – Alfie

    If it is the latter and not the former, then they’re quickly losing control of the story line and its turning into the former despite their efforts. If they can’t find an OF-109, then she’s fucked…

  367. Step out of the box and look at Irans foreign policy actions as equal to western actions. Iran has [no] qualms [about] an arms race since Tehrans goals are tied to a Shia hegemony.” – Alfie

    Ok Alfie, how do you square “Iran has [no] qualms [about] an arms race since Tehrans goals are tied to a Shia hegemony.” with “I doubt Tehrans sincerity but I also doubt they desire a nuclear weapon.”
    If an arms race doesn’t bother them, then why do you think they don’t really want the bomb?
    ” – R

    Yeah, I’d be interested in this answer too…

    I’ll say this, Iran—as in the Islamic Republic of Iran—needs a boogey man, and always has. The U.S. and Israel have always filled this role, with Saudi Arabia being their primary competitor, but it is beginning to shift to the more immediate threat of Sunni Jihadists. Do the first three go away? No, but it is hard to harp on the Great Satan when Shi’a are being summarily shot in the streets of Iraq.

    Regardless, I agree with Alfie vis a vis an arms race because it allows Iran to divert $$$ to arms and maintain popular sentiments. Iran’s military is largely outdated and falling apart. Yeah, there are some bright spots, but mostly they sanctions the US has placed on them have kept them down. They’d like to change that…

  368. Saudi Arabia is talking to South Korea about building two nuclear reactors. No matter Iran’s motives, it is in their interest to possess nuclear weapons. They know we and other countries treat nuclear powers differently than those who are armed with only conventional weapons. Obama said it well in another context. “If they bring a knife to the fight, bring a gun.” Iran is behaving as we would in their situation.
    If our situations were reversed, Iran would fight to keep nukes out of our hands. The world is a giant school play ground without teachers. Lord of the Flies

  369. That boogey man is a universal tool used by ALL government regimes. The US has been using that same tact for over a century…

    So, 30 years ago the shah was disposed because he proved to be a puppet of the west and since we haven’t had ‘our man’ in power there. If they aren’t under the authority of the IMF and World Bank, they are our ‘enemies’ and the ‘axis of evil’. And you were told slavery was abolished. Ha!

    Make Gaza your next vacation destination 🙂

  370. Most things are more complex than they appear. For example, the Shaw used oil wealth to modernize Iran. Government money built libraries, electrical installations, and dams for irrigation. The Shaw established college and universities and used his own money to set up an education foundation.

    He was a pro -western ally we used to block Soviet expansion into the Middle East. Iran had a large army and its air force was one of the best in the world.

    The Shaw protected minorities and let non-Muslims practice their faiths. His government also gave women equal rights.The Shaw thought he had friends in Washington.

    A book written by one of the Shaw’s ministers claimed that Henry Kissinger wanted to depose the Iranian leadership as early as 1974.

    Carter acted on the sentiment inherited from the Republicans. Ted Kennedy and his family financed a committee for the defense of civil rights and they helped publicize the Shaw as a despot. Conservatives in Iraq resented the Shaw’s relative liberalism and they presented the government the embodiment despotism with the help of the news media.

    The writer blamed motivation of influential oil companies and Zionists because the Shaw kept more control of oil profits than they wanted and that he had helped Egypt during the Yon Kipper War.

    I do know that the Shaw had angered conservatives but I don’t know if the Iranian writer interpreted later events without much bias.

    This does show that our history with Iran is more complex than it appears on the surface. If the Shaw was a puppet, he was a valuable puppet whom we may have discarded when he was no longer useful.

  371. *disposed of or deposed

    James, it’s all pretty convoluted. We don’t get told the truth from authority, rather those things they want us to accept as truths. It has been that way long before you and I graced the stage. 🙂 “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.”

  372. James I don’t usually pick on spelling but your repeated use of “Shaw” had me envisioning some Jewish guy in Florida named Buddy Shaw, calling the shots in Iran. LOL

  373. G, you don’t seem to think much of Iran’s army but, other than the Peshmerga (Kurds) isn’t the Iranian army the only ones presenting a credible threat to ISIL?

    Whether we want to admit it or not, Iran is our ally in the fight against ISIL.

  374. “Bush and Christie could definitely beat her. Rubio’s a maybe. Paul and Cruz, probably not. But I can’t wrap my head around Walker.”

    No, no, no and no. And no.

    The ground game is in full swing and it doesn’t matter who runs or what they’ve done or not done. Soros, Sharpton, Holder and Obama are doing great and have even managed to arrange some holes in a few cops for the effort. The only possible candidate that is a concern to them is Paul, and they’re not going be caught by surprise if he surges at any point.

    Dems don’t care what Hillary did or if she runs. Their #1 goal is to get the black vote out no matter who the candidate is. Five million new voters for said candidate isn’t going to hurt either. No sirree.

    G – I think it’s going to take a herculean effort to take Hillary down with or without the OF109 and no one but a spineless sellout is in the position to do it. If it isn’t the AG then I think State has to go after her if there are problems with the OF109. Even if she did sign one she should go to jail for defying it, but she won’t.

    People can browbeat all they like that Hillary being the next president has something to do with this insignificant blog if it brings them joy, but the fact is that without a massive stroke of luck or something like it the next president will be a Dem and they will have been put there by the same D-machinations that foisted Obama on us and the world twice.

    Not the least of which is a complicit and compliant media, abiding racially and politically motivated protests under the guise of the 100% fabricated “hands up don’t shoot” salute, and the trashing of whichever decent men are willing to endure the onslaught of false accusation and innuendo.

    American police forces should become 100% non-interventionist and stay the hell out of the race fray. Let the protests play out. Why are we still policing this shit? CALL THEM NO-GO ZONES AND STAY THE FUCK AWAY.

  375. LOLOLOLOLOL I google OF109 and the first 3 sources are Breitbart, National Review and IBD. No wonder I never heard of it. The angle is being floated by the conservative press. I LOVE IT. This is one reason why I’ve said she’s not running. Her enemies are going to dig up so much dirt she’ll have no time left to campaign. All time spent getting out of scandals.

    The OF109 thing further proves why it was such a fucking bad idea to keep those emails on a private server. Had all biz been done on State DePt servers, she could safely say “you’ve got everything already”.

    How much you folks wanna wager they will not find a signed OF109?

  376. Sorry Rutherford. Oh pshaw. No impatience intended.

    We are in Omaha for an extra day, and our grand daughter likes operating the computer when I do. I have a hard time making coherent thoughts including spelling.

    She has also learned to remove and replace the cover of a tv remote control. She is now working on removing the batteries. She has figured out how, but she doesn’t have the strength. I’m not helping her. Only heartache and frustration can come from that.

    She is fixated on doing laundry. She wants to watch the washing machine and is learning which numbers to look for when the wash is almost finished. Our grand daughter wants to help insert and remove clothes. She was beginning to doze for her nap when the jingle began upstairs. It was off to the races. It took me over two hours to get her to sleep.

    The doctors still are clueless about her head, but our year of hard work and her brain must be kicking in. She could speak 8 words in the first week of January, 20 in early Feb. and over 70 now. She also speaks in short sentences like “I want milk” and once, “I have sharp teeth.”

    Our grand daughter is now 21 months old and could be doing better, but the short term change is encouraging.

    Leaving protest regions NO Go zones would be a nifty idea. We saw some of that in Watts and during the Rodney King riots. Korean immigrants and others protected their stores with pistols. Let the people who live in the riot zones be armed. Then the protesters can demonstrate their bravery.

    I still think Hillary could lose if she runs. These e mails may be thrown out now so people will forget before the election, I have the emotional equipment to bring Hillary down, but I never would because it would be illegal, immoral, and earn me a ticket to Hell.

  377. Whether we want to admit it or not, Iran is our ally in the fight against ISIL.” – R

    A more naieve comment was never made.

    They are not our ally and will kill us the first moment they can. Period.

    As for their effectiveness, their force is a decent infantry element, ferver making up for capability, but they have little in the way of combined arms and their Air Force sucks Donkey dick. Navy is capable in ssmall boat swarm tactics and some baseline naval maneuvers, but I’m not losing sleep over it. ASM’s make me nervous, suicide go-fasts, but that’s it.

    Both ISIL, Shia militia, and any conventional force dreads facing us one on one, which is why they don’t do it.

  378. It sounds like a good bet.

    A blogger noted that many people treat Hillary and Bill as if they were the same people. Bill is a good politician. Hillary is a technocrat modeled after Strenelkoff (?) the well-meaning revolutionary who ended his days traveling across Russia in a train as he tried and convicted traitors until he was executed. Hillary lost against Obama. Someone like Ted Cruse might also beat her.

    The NAACP is campaigning against two Spanish speaking schools for probable illegals because many blacks are forced into bad schools. The Democrats figure they don’t need reliable blacks. They are concentrating on Hispanics, the new number one minority. Ted Cruse is Hispanic. He might dilute the vote.

  379. The ground game is in full swing and it doesn’t matter who runs or what they’ve done or not done. Soros, Sharpton, Holder and Obama are doing great and have even managed to arrange some holes in a few cops for the effort. The only possible candidate that is a concern to them is Paul, and they’re not going be caught by surprise if he surges at any point.
    Dems don’t care what Hillary did or if she runs. Their #1 goal is to get the black vote out no matter who the candidate is. Five million new voters for said candidate isn’t going to hurt either. No sirree.

    I’m having trouble following other than to view this as racial paranoia.

    Even if she did sign one she should go to jail for defying it, but she won’t.

    This makes no sense. What do you mean “even if”. If she signed it THAT would be why she goes to jail for perjury. She’s hoping they don’t find it.

    People can browbeat all they like that Hillary being the next president has something to do with this insignificant blog

    WTF? Who here said my blog has ANYTHING to do with anything? You just couldn’t resist an insult?

    the next president will be a Dem and they will have been put there by the same D-machinations that foisted Obama on us and the world twice.

    Is this manic depression? W got elected twice starting only 15 years ago. What has changed so drastically since then that we would rule out a GOP prez in 2016?

    Seriously your rant is so off the wall I wonder if someone slipped something in your coffee.

  380. Your writing Iran and the West are allies in the fight against ISIS is the view of a NASCAR driver. Circumstances create strange bedfellows. As the race evolves, drivers form temporary alliances to help each other.

    Carl Edwards and another driver drafted each other so that they surged to the front near the end of a race. Edwards looked like the certain winner, but his erstwhile partner, Zeronski(?) tried to win moments before the race ended. He spun out Edwards who’s car crashed into the wall and injured several people. Edwards had come so close, that he was determined to cross the start finish line. He left his car and jogged across the line.

    Nations joining forces are just as destructive when their interests diverge.

  381. Both ISIL, Shia militia, and any conventional force dreads facing us one on one, which is why they don’t do it.

    You lost me. They don’t do it because we have no combat boots in the ground. The reason we don’t have combat boots on the ground is partly because Americans don’t want them slaughtered by ISIL.

  382. And whenever that contact has occurred, they’ve lost.

    The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were a stalemate at best. I really don’t understand your confidence. We haven’t outright won a war since 1945.

  383. It is so clear why we are fucked as a country. We live in two different worlds.

    I just watched “With All Due Respect” on Bloomberg. It’s a moderate program. Not super liberal. When Reince Priebus brought up HRC’s exit documents (i.e. OF109) the hosts both seemed to not know what he was talking about.

    IF one only watched Fox, you’d know exactly what the OF109 was.

    There is something very wrong when Americans don’t have access to all relevant facts depending on what stations they watch.

    Fox omits info that doesn’t progress its agenda and the liberal media does the same. An ignorant populace cannot advance a country.

    We are truly screwed.

  384. Rutherford, I couldn’t care less if you replied to me or not but you made no argument so why bother replying? Spend your time on the worthwhile commentary then.

    There was no insult, but feigning insult makes you feel good about pulling out the stops on your own predilection for insulting commentary, doesn’t it?

    To your non-response – you’re either ignorant and a liar, or just ignorant. That’s payback for your pretense that I’m off my rocker.

    To your only legitimate question (even though you rarely take up questions yourself) – “what has changed so drastically since then that we would rule out a GOP prez in 2016?” – your bosses Obama, Sharpton, Soros and Holder know the answer. Nothing has “changed drastically” but rather incrementally – though decidedly faster than they or anyone else even hoped for.

    The answer is racial demographics. Romney actually did better than he should have, and that was the last shot to turn the beast. At this point – just in time for the Dems to stay in power without a single decent candidate – racial politics is the winning strategy. The herd is and will continue to be brainwashed, bought, and paid for.

    If you have any other questions for me I’m happy to answer them if I can. You should try it sometime by the way. But if you just want to throw sand in my face then you can pound it.

  385. “The Democrats figure they don’t need reliable blacks. They are concentrating on Hispanics, the new number one minority. Ted Cruse is Hispanic. He might dilute the vote.”

    I don’t think this is sound, James. They are not taking the black voter for granted. They’d be fools if they did and they aren’t fools. They are evil.

    The ARE concentrating on the latino voter, and they are busy little bees arranging just that under the guise of “immigration reform.”

    Ted Cruz has been neutralized and if he shows any signs of life at all they’ll inhume him further.

  386. Hillary’s presser the other day has had the same effect on Dems as Obama’s first debate with Romney. And in the end it will mean just about as much.

  387. But if you just want to throw sand in my face then you can pound it.

    You deserve sand in your face when you make unprovoked senseless references to “this insignificant blog”.

    Sometimes you come here interested in an exchange. Other times you’ve just got a bug up your ass and you go on some nutty rant. I’ve picked apart your comment to show today it was the latter.

    I actually didn’t throw sand in your face. I tried to slap you out of your fit.

  388. As for racial demographics Muffy, two things:

    No white candidate is going to get 90+% of the black vote. That happened because Obama is black. You already know that so your hysteria over demographics is odd.

    Second, Bush then McCain then Romney did progressively worse with Hispanics. Gop’s fault on message, no Dem conspiracy.

  389. Oh also Muffy, no white candidate will get the black turnout that Obama got. Let’s not forget Rabbits perspective. Feral folks are too busy robbing, raping and killing to have time to vote. 😛

  390. When I speak of the Wests hypocrisy and suggest people to try to look at things through non-western lenses I do so with sincerity and not necessarily from a point that I personally embrace.
    That said:
    G I would stipulate that before you call Iran a sponsor or perpetrator of terrorism you reexamine the history of the USA in places that include but by no means limited to:
    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Iran
    Yemen
    Egypt
    Somalia
    Guatemala
    Nicaragua
    El Salvador
    Honduras
    Haiti
    Dominican Republic
    Granada
    Chile
    Greece
    Germany
    and China

  391. “You deserve sand in your face when you make unprovoked senseless references to “this insignificant blog”.

    This blog is absolutely insignificant in the context I said it and if you’re missing the referent or context then you should ask for it. Is that so hard?

    “Sometimes you come here interested in an exchange. Other times you’ve just got a bug up your ass and you go on some nutty rant. I’ve picked apart your comment to show today it was the latter.

    I actually didn’t throw sand in your face. I tried to slap you out of your fit.”

    In your dreams, tough guy. I did nothing of the sort, and you did nothing of the sort.

    Sometimes events have an effect on me and it carries over to here. You have little or nothing to do with it usually, and certainly not in this case. And I’m not so nutty to know that if it turns out I’m right and you’re wrong I won’t hear and apology and you won’t remember it in the least. I’ll wager there are a few here who know what I mean by that.

    “Oh also Muffy, no white candidate will get the black turnout that Obama got.”

    “No white candidate is going to get 90+% of the black vote. That happened because Obama is black. You already know that so your hysteria over demographics is odd.”

    You’re talking out of your ass again. You don’t know if it will or not or if I even think it’s necessary. The point I was driving at in the first place is that the Obama regime and its henchmen (e.g. Soros) will do whatever they can to see that it does. And that is evil. But the worst part is you don’t even know what I’m talking about and you’re jumping at me like a flipping jack in the box.

    I’m listening to Obama’s campaign speeches. Are you? I’m listening to the Ferguson protesters, are you? I’m reading articles and now a book on the subject I’m speaking about, are you?

    “Second, Bush then McCain then Romney did progressively worse with Hispanics. Gop’s fault on message, no Dem conspiracy.”

    It’s not necessarily one or the other, slick.

  392. @ Rutherford I don’t think Iran cares one way or another about an arms race of either nuclear or conventional weapons.
    I also think they appreciate they get what they want just pretending to pursue an atomic weapon without needing to enter the club.
    The Iranians are not and cannot be our allies in the traditional sense of the word. Our respective world views are in opposition.
    That said they are not to be labelled an Axis of Evil entity just because they believe in things we do not. The regional politics easily finds Tehran and Washington on the same page on a number of issues.
    I have more but am tired

  393. “I just watched “With All Due Respect” on Bloomberg. It’s a moderate program.”

    Now that’s what I call crazy talk. Not surprising though – didn’t you once try to argue that Obama was moderate because he didn’t get single payer? Laughable.

    You have some chutzpa, yo.

  394. This blog is absolutely insignificant in the context I said it and if you’re missing the referent or context then you should ask for it. Is that so hard?

    Of course the blog is relatively insignificant (except to me, hence relatively) so what context am I missing? What were you responding to? I don’t recall me or anyone else here suggesting the blog has any sway with anyone. In fact the few that frequent here never change their minds about anything.

    So please, what context promoted what appeared to be a gratuitous insult against the blog (and therefore me)?

    As for events having an effect on you. Yeah I get that. So rather than coming in with guns blazing, why can’t you say “saw this article and it pissed me off” or some other context to explain why you’ve gone ballistic without having been here in several days.

  395. “I’m having trouble following other than to view this as racial paranoia.”

    You know, I originally sailed past this because I wasn’t quite certain what you meant by “racial paranoia.” Now I’d like you to tell me exactly what you do mean by this.

  396. And what’s all this talk about Soros? The GOP candidates are currently sucking serious donor dick. That’s the way the game is played by everyone, dem and Repubs alike.

  397. Now that’s what I call crazy talk.

    I think it’s fair to say John Heilemann is a card carrying liberal. But Mark Halperin goes more middle of the road. He famously got in trouble on MSNBC for referring to Obama as a “dick”.

    And I’m right about Obama Muffy. You’ll be longing for his left wing ideology after President Bernie Sanders gets a hold of you.

    P.S. Yes I know President Sanders = snow balls chance in hell.

  398. Muffy I’ll elaborate on racial paranoia.

    Soros, Sharpton, Holder and Obama are doing great and have even managed to arrange some holes in a few cops for the effort. The only possible candidate that is a concern to them is Paul, and they’re not going be caught by surprise if he surges at any point.
    Dems don’t care what Hillary did or if she runs. Their #1 goal is to get the black vote out no matter who the candidate is. Five million new voters for said candidate isn’t going to hurt either. No sirree.

    Putting aside Soros (I need to do some research to see what recent news references have him on your mind), you’re suggesting Sharpton Holder and Obama want cops shot. Ok I won’t put much past Sharpton but I assure you Holder and Obama do not want cops shot. That you could even fathom that shows a degree of paranoia.

    As for this get out the black vote, I tend to agree with James that Hispanics will be the focus. Dems always assume they’ve got the black vote. They don’t work for it.

    Just the fact you’ve analyzed the election along racial lines tells me your head is in the wrong place.

    This election will be about class with HRC doing her best Warren impersonation.

  399. OK, I reread the comment I made that you consider hysterical, odd, insulting, nutty, racially paranoiad, senseless, indicative of manic depression, off the wall, guns blazing, and ballistic.

    Well. I can think of no other response to all of that than one of the few ugly responses at which I draw the line.

    Re: 9:16 pm) TRUE: A grantmaking network founded by George Soros provided funding to some groups that engaged in Ferguson-related protest activities.
    Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sorosferguson.asp#EAjI8eyz7a9gibG7.99

    Re: 9:22 pm) Good grief calling Obama a dick does NOT make Mark Halperin a moderate!

    Re: 9:34 pm) Most of what you have said @ 9:34 is opinion – to which I vehemently disagree. I also reject the “racially paranoid” lip as loose and uncalled for.

    Some of my disagreement I can back up with fact, and can provide compelling support for much of the rest. I wonder can you do the same?

  400. “Just the fact you’ve analyzed the election along racial lines tells me your head is in the wrong place.

    This election will be about class with HRC doing her best Warren impersonation.”

    This statement concerning what this election will be about doesn’t seem to jibe with your repeated contention that Hillary ain’t running. Both can’t be true, but even if one or the other is true – that doesn’t connote what I’ve presented as false or wrongheaded. In other words, either one but not both of your statement can be true without disproving the influence racial demographics will have on the outcome.

    I’m on record here as having written this analysis at least twice that I can recall since the election, not counting this thread.

    You can start with this and the previous link I put up earlier in this thread from the Brookings Institute written in 2013.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/10-maps-that-explain-the-next-election-113002.html#.VQOYN02BEeE

  401. And I’m dead serious that I support the police giving these riot domains over to the “protesters” as no-go zones. Clear out your desks and move the police and fire stationhouses out, and don’t protect and serve the area. And don’t put the fires out.

    Containment. That’s it.

  402. I actually agree with Alfie’s last 2 posts. 😯 What does that mean? 😆 I don’t think Magilla has an unbiased view of all things decidedly military – just the opposite, as it they who shape his current worldview. Not that it is entirely wrong, just mostly predictable. Alfie sometimes surprises me with his moments of clarity. 🙂 For some reason I got this notion in my head Alfie an only child. Purely speculation on my part, as I seek to understand. He may have stated otherwise, but memory isn’t serving.

    This must truly be a political blog, as we do always discuss those celebrity psychos. I personally think the next potus will be a republican and specifically bush. Just a hunch after studying the way things are done. It matters not how much chest pounding occurs within the camps. Humanity’s attention spans have shortened as disruptive influences have increased. It will be another close race, of course. The balance has to be kept. I’m used to the seesaw.

    James, the weather has been gorgeous here! You guys got any relief from cold and nasty? I haven’t kept up with the national snews. This year is starting out very busy for pool construction.

  403. This year is starting out very busy for pool construction.

    I’m glad to hear it Pools. I wish my biz had taken off. I’m real tired of working for the man. 🙂

  404. I’m not doing any advertising, Rutherford. It’s all referral. I don’t have time for much else. My weekends are full too with my other job. It is a problem I can live with. 😀

  405. My weekend job started as volunteer at my church. They kept having me do more and finally asked me to fill a position that became vacant. 20 hours a week, they said. Ten bucks an hour 😀 I got it down to 12 action packed hours. It’s a labor of love. 🙂

  406. TRUE: A grantmaking network founded by George Soros provided funding to some groups that engaged in Ferguson-related protest activities.

    Muffy you left out the false side of the equation, namely that George Soros knowingly funded VIOLENT protests to the tune of 33 million.

    That’s what the Snopes article debunks.

  407. Poolman, I skied for the last time on Sunday in a 61 degree temperature. It was sodden and part of my trip was spent balancing on previous ski tracks which because of compaction had not yet melted. Since then our temperature has been as high as 76, with low relative humidity, wind, and red flag warnings on some day. After such cold weather, people are swarming to parks and lakes.

    I’m glad you’re busy. It sounds like the start of a good year.

    Tom Cotton who wrote the letter was once Elizabeth Warren’s student in college.

    I compared our working with Iran to a NASCAR race–cooperating for short term gain. The comparison would be more realistic if the drivers had guns.

  408. Rutherford :The race relations and elections thing is an interesting post idea.
    For what its worth I think the (D)’s take the black vote as a given and the (R)’s see no reason to spend time and dollars on chasing it.
    I think Soros and others actions regards Ferguson (and NYC etc) has less to do with blacks and more a version of what a bloc of people,predominantly white and Ivory Towered no less want to have happening. The thing is a lower strata and probably far more energetic part of that bloc is comprised of a mix of idealists and anarchists.
    Soros and others have a disgusting habit of lighting matches knowing deep down the fires will never burn him. He does this with flagrant disregard of those and that which the very real fires do consume

  409. For what its worth I think the (D)’s take the black vote as a given and the (R)’s see no reason to spend time and dollars on chasing it.

    Bingo!

    Soros and others have a disgusting habit of lighting matches knowing deep down the fires will never burn him. He does this with flagrant disregard of those and that which the very real fires do consume.

    I haven’t seen “Selma” but from what I’ve heard the film actually portrays MLK similarly, i.e. putting people in harms way to galvanize public opinion.

  410. “Muffy you left out the false side of the equation, namely that George Soros knowingly funded VIOLENT protests to the tune of 33 million.

    That’s what the Snopes article debunks.”

    One of us can’t read. I put up the Snopes link so you could see that the $33 mil to Ferguson-related activism was not debunked by a source YOU trust.

    Fine. I left out the rest of the article. Here are the highlights from the DEBUNKING part – which is much in line with the kind of word games the left is fond of playing.

    “FALSE: George Soros gave money to various groups for the express purpose of promoting Ferguson-related protests and riots.

    “[He gave] $1.4 billion to promote reform in the United States on issues such as criminal justice, drugs, palliative care, education, immigration, equal rights, and democratic governance.”

    “In all, Mr. Soros gave at least $33 million in one year to support already-established groups that emboldened the grass-roots, on-the-ground activists in Ferguson, according to the most recent tax filings of his nonprofit Open Society Foundations.”

    “But taking that information and converting it into the assertion Soros himself funded Ferguson-related protests and riots is problematic for a number of reasons. Although George Soros is the founder and chairman of OSF, he quite obviously does not personally oversee and approve every single grant made by the OSF network to the multitude of organizations and programs that the network helps to fund.

    As well, the $33 million figure includes just about every organization with any connection to Ferguson-related activism that received monies from the OSF network, even if their involvement was tangential (such as publishing, writing, or promoting hashtags about the issue). And that such groups may have received part of their funding from the OSF network doesn’t mean those funds were given for the specific purpose of organizing Ferguson-related protests, or with the knowledge or intent they would be used thusly.”

    Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/sorosferguson.asp#6JEcSXjrTVtjhrHv.99

  411. My goal to stave off dementia is to learn a new word of the day. Rutherford has provided today’s word “fungible” I look forward to your use of the word in your next “itty bitty” blog post 😉

  412. I agree with most of what you said @ 10:20 am Alfie. And I hold to everything I’ve written here as well.

    The Dems don’t need to spend too much of their time and money with Soros and Holder handling the Ferguson angle and Obama on the sales floor selling it. They can afford to lose some disgusted voters (black), and I believe they will. But they’ve done well in poisoning the populace and they do need decent turnout.

    2004 voting stats applied to 2012 and 2016 have the R’s winning in 2012 and the D’s winning in 2016. That’s without Obama on the ticket. That’s regardless of who runs. And that’s 2004 numbers – not 2008 and not 2012.

    The black voter is being manipulated and the latino vote is being arranged. That is the strategy.

  413. @muffy in follow up. From where I sit I think the Left Machine is looking solidly at two blocs for their near and middle electoral futures.
    They will continue to work the Hispanic bloc. They need this as that demographic grows and will have an undeniable future impact. They also have to work this bloc due to it not being monolithic and it being very receptive to planks a thinking GOPer can offer.
    The more immediate bloc is the “progressives”. This is a collective of Warrenesqe dreamers,anarchists,and folks tied together by threads such as the NSA and the # “pseudo revolutions. They are supported by technocrats,elitists and academics who champion climate,energy and New Urbaism movements so they have some punch. It is here and how they are papaw said more than players IMO.

  414. 😆 @ “papaw said.” You do have the best autocorrect mishaps.

    Thanks for the back and forth. Just so I understand you correctly – who are pawns more than players?

  415. @Muffy I think some of the young idealists are the pawns. Their naivety and energy used by folks like Soros and AdBuster folks. I guess it can be said of youth throughout time but it seems to have a real foci in the Left

  416. As for key strokes and autocorrect etc. Yeah I get the iPad clicking pretty good. I’ll be done and the thing is clicking catching up and making its own decisions of what “I” mean. 😄

  417. Someone called to tell us a high school friend had died. He will be buried this afternoon. Our being gone so often takes us out of the news chain so we miss things. . We last saw each other last month at a funeral.In his youth, he was a waiter who knew Warren Buffet well. He liked him but said Buffet was a poor tipper. Our friend made his money buying and selling antiques.

    They are all dying one by one as they are supposed to.. It won’t be long before we are all gone.,Most of the recent ones are younger than I, and that is a shame for them.

    I agree with alfie, most of the young idealists are pawns. They were pawns during the sixties anti-war protests and probably during the Civil War New York draft riots. They were “born to be wasted.”.

  418. I guess it can be said of youth throughout time but it seems to have a real foci in the Left.

    That’s because conservatives are pessimistic old farts and young folks are optimistic and … well … young.

    Most folks get more conservative as they get older. Paying taxes will do that to you.

  419. 2004 voting stats applied to 2012 and 2016 have the R’s winning in 2012 and the D’s winning in 2016.

    And your point is? Obviously extrapolation of the stats didn’t work in 2012 so what makes you think it will ring true in 2016?

    A Republican has the race virtually locked up if neither HRC nor Warren run.

  420. The black voter is being manipulated and the latino vote is being arranged. That is the strategy.

    All voters are manipulated. It’s called politics. You talk some serious nonsense.

  421. “And your point is? Obviously extrapolation of the stats didn’t work in 2012 so what makes you think it will ring true in 2016?”

    Racial demographics. (I answered this already).

    Not a big reader are you?

  422. Yes and as you noted 2012 defied the prediction cos there was a BLACK candidate, as I said before.

    No black candidate, back to “normal” black turnout.

  423. The stupid is strong with this one.

    You have to read the material. You just can’t wing it on this with that fragile “logic” of yours.

  424. “A Republican has the race virtually locked up if neither HRC nor Warren run.”

    😆

    And don’t forget that “Bush and Christie could definitely beat her. Rubio’s a maybe. Paul and Cruz, probably not. But I can’t wrap my head around Walker.”

    I’m tapping out. I can’t take the beating anymore. I’m just outmatched.

  425. If you’re suggesting a contradiction. I said “could beat her”. If it’s O’Malley, the proper phrase would be “WILL beat him”.

    If HRC or Warren run I don’t think they have a lock on it but they’re the best bet. Anyone else will get his ass whupped.

  426. “That’s because conservatives are pessimistic old farts and young folks are optimistic and … well … young.”

    Are you at all interested in a reality-based back and forth? This isn’t even from a different link.

    ‘In one example of this divide, a 2011 Pew Research Center survey found that seven in 10 millennial minorities favored a larger government with more services over a smaller government with fewer. The same was true of only four in 10 white baby boomers.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/10-maps-that-explain-the-next-election-113002.html#ixzz3UO9kDT5l

  427. No I wasn’t suggesting a contradiction I was suggesting something less substantive. Never mind. You’ve obviously thought this through.

    Yes, you missed the reading material provided earlier in the thread that puts the 2004 stats in the context of the census bureau’s election survey, which was offerred as at least one step up from pulling predictions out of your ass. But an important step.

  428. Rutherford you’re killing me. Webb could possibly get my vote even! Hell he definitely represents the democrats getting “centered”

  429. I could also almost vote for Webb. The centered Democrats used to be close to Webb. Now, many of them regard him as an extremist compared to the Warren center. If Webb won, he would carry the power to appoint judges etc, and they would be to his left. I wish he would change parties. Until then, Hell will freeze over before I vote for a Democratic president.

    I think Webb was the man who criticized the design of the Wall in colorful terms. He said it reminded him of a black urinal. He was wrong, but I liked the way he said it,

  430. James you wouldn’t have liked my take on the wall my term was extremely nasty and I found the makeup add on lousy too. I dont like the WW2 monument either. The Korea one is the best ,the field of soldiers very powerful . It is what the black gash could’ve been.

  431. Alfie, as I wrote, I liked Webb’s comment, but when I first saw the wall and the name of a man I was looking for, our children aged seven and five looked at me. I was re-visiting another world as I stared ahead. Our son then began to sing the Star Spangled Banner while our daughter patted my hand.

    The second time, I visited the soldier, another man was looking for someone too, and it turned out we were looking for the same person. We exchanged stories for nearly an hour.

    While I agree about the Korean War monument and that the Vietnam monument add on is hardly worth mentioning, the Wall is emotionally significant to me with those stark names and the realization of what good kids we raised.

  432. I like the Stewart link.

    Yesterday at the funeral, my brother and I talked to someone who thought he knew me, but who’s gave face gave me no clue of his identity. He was a big man with a cane. Gout.

    We three chatted about our dead friend, and then he started to speak of the numerous men he watched die when he was a medical lab technician in Thailand during the war.Ten died in one day.

    “The VA says I have post traumatic stress disorder, but I don’t. I just watched a lot of people die.” Right.

    I made no secret to the Helen and Margaret blog that they had turned themselves into a metaphor for my past time of troubles and that they would evolve the same way as real enemies did. I also knew history would repeat because the grannies were as innately weak as were my past enemies and the members of two previously vibrant web forums and blogs which I watched die. It was a matter of time and circumstance. They all did it to themselves.

    We have also seen the senario play out here as your liberal allies wilt and drift away. You won, Rutherford. The grannies last blogged in November and since then have provoked only about 111 responses . They are dispirited and ripe for a take over. If you wanted, you could turn the grannies into a satelite as Pfessor, a few others and I did for awhile.

    They are the Democratic party in microcosim–a party of old reactionaries facing a band of young guns. Their only viable choices are Hillary and Warren because the progs are too far gone to contemplate someone like Webb. It doesn’t mean they still aren’t dangerous.

  433. G I would stipulate that before you call Iran a sponsor or perpetrator of terrorism you reexamine the history of the USA in places that include but by no means limited to:…” – Alfie

    I’m sorry, WTF are you talking about? I mean, I don’t know, are you aware of U.S. forces driving a truck bomb into a barracks building in, say Beiruit, and killing a couple hundred? How about a synogauge in South America?

    Are you really comparing U.S. support for the Contras to Iran’s proxy relationship with Hezbollah? Are you fucking mad?

  434. No I’m not mad. Do you really need me to itemize the list I included?
    I assumed out of some of the folks here you’d appreciate the realities behind the entries.
    I will say this though,you’re clearly incapable of seeing the topic from any perspective other than Uncle Sams.

  435. If we’re going to start counting bombing military installations (barracks) as “terrorism”, then people had better be prepared to add the King David Hotel bombing to the list of terrorist acts.

    The allegations of rape, murder, and kidnapping by the Contras are many.

    And that’s not even beginning to look at our support of al Qaeda and yeah, even Hamas, when both were in their infancy.

    We support those who are opposed to our enemy the same as anyone else does. This is truly a high horse worthy of mention.

  436. G I am surprised by your reaction. Seems to me Alfie and Huck are being quite reasonable. Maybe their detachment from current military actions gives them an objectivity you are incapable of?

  437. And while we’re at it….

    You gotta love it when we team up with Israel to sell weapons to these evil, terrorist-supporting Iranian mullahs, and we team up with drug dealers to sell crack cocaine to Americans, so we can illegally fund some Central American rebels who commit atrocities.

    And then later (and simultaneously) condemn the mullahs and the dealers…because they’re bad.

    The Reagan knowledge and culpability in all of that may well be disputable, but that the US took these actions is not.

  438. FWIW I’ll toss in that although I easily cite this that and the other thing and have the opinions and worldview I do that is not to be confused with support ,forgiveness or sympathy.
    So with that clarification offered I will say that I see the death of the Marines and French paratroopers in ’83 as not a terrorist act but an act of war far more legitimate than say the planned assassination of the Guatemalan president and installation of a puppet.

  439. “We team up with Israel to sell weapons to those evil, terrorist supporting Iranian mullahs, and we team up with drug dealers to sell crack cocaine to Americans so we can illegally fund some Central American rebels who commit atrocities.” And then we condemn the drug dealers and terrorists because they are bad.

    Huck’s description may be a little dramatic, but I believe he is basically right. However, all is fair in love and war. What he described were war measures to countermand Soviet attacks on us. Democrats through actions bordering on treason blocked our legally sanctioned aid to leftists allied with Moscow who were trying to outflank us. They also tortured and murdered people. Ollie North and the gang broke the law to save the Contras who were fighting our enemies. The Bolton Amendment caused our illegal act.

    I don’t think we did anything wrong, except maybe get caught and embarrassed. This isn’t tiddlywinks.

    I agree the murders of our Marines and French paratroopers was an act of war. Most terrorism is war fought by organizations too weak to field a conventional army.

    I need to look it up to be sure, but I think the Truman administration first planned to get rid of the Guatemalan president because he was behaving too independently for our tastes and was sympathetic to communism. Ike’s administration approved the coup, to prevent a possible Soviet outpost in America.

    I believe Dulles of the CIA lied about the number of people who were killed. Later violence dispatched scores of thousands of people. Again, I need to look it up to be sure my memory is right. I don’t have time now.

  440. No I’m not mad. Do you really need me to itemize the list I included?
    I assumed out of some of the folks here you’d appreciate the realities behind the entries.
    I will say this though,you’re clearly incapable of seeing the topic from any perspective other than Uncle Sams.
    ” – Alfie

    Wrong. I’m very clear on our support of those that fit our bill for the moment, regardless of how undesirable they may be, but that does not equate state sponsorship of terrorism, unless you have a very loose definition of what terrorism actually is. This isn’t about sleeping with the Devil, its about bathing in the blood of innocents killed indiscriminantly to serve a political purpose. If you’ve got something that qualifies on your magical Chomsky list, by all means, lets hear it.

    If you want to call Beiruit an act of war, I’ll accept that, though any state-sponsored proxy conducting an attack is and act of war.

    And no, we did not support al-Qaida, ever, in any stage. To say such is ignorant and on par with Piss Pot lunacy. As for Hamas, well, if you’re giving money to the Palestinian Authority–or even more generally for that matter–that’s basically unavoidable…

  441. G I am surprised by your reaction. Seems to me Alfie and Huck are being quite reasonable. Maybe their detachment from current military actions gives them an objectivity you are incapable of?” – R

    R, terrorism is a very specific thing. Accusations of such are serious and I take exception to just tossing them about.

    I know we’ve supported bad folks. Here’s a news flash, we’re doing so today. You think Obama is any better? Fuck no. In fact, he’s far, far worse because he’s doing it for his own political purposes rather than for the interests of the United States. Shit, Obama has started wars for domestic politics-what do you think Libya was?

    So if this was their point, then I agree, we have and do sleep with the Devil to serve our national interests. Do we sponsor terrorism? Fuck no and one would be insane to suggest such.

  442. G your word choices in your question are telling.
    Are you really comparing U.S. support for the Contras to Iran’s proxy relationship with Hezbollah?
    The US didn’t “support” the Contras we helped create them out of a stew that oozed out of a corrupt semi-puppet dictatorship we essentially created.
    As for Iran’s “proxy” relationship lets just say I think that misses the mark as well and is telling when one goes deeper.
    The US “exports” an ideology and its deemed awesome. Another country does the same thing and we throw a fit and declare it something evil. Again stressing I don’t agree with the practice and policies I appreciate the logic that is present. Iran hates Israel. Iran in 1982 needed to bolster the Shia-sphere. Lebanon has Shia,a civil war and two countries invading/occupying it (Israel & Syria) its kind of a no brainer.
    At best the two are the same but since we’re supposed to be better than those we ostracize I’m gonna say the Contra thing was worse.

    As for my insanity in suggesting that the USA sponsors terrorism…We do! Ask a Chilean about Pinochet or a Yemeni wedding guest about a Predator or a Haitian about Papa Docs secret police,or reevaluate the history of the SoA. My magical Chomsky list? Read a fucking history book not redacted by the DIA for Christ’s sake!

  443. And while we’re discussing the definition of terror let me just say I was the Bush Doctrine before there was a Bush.
    There is a line between terrorist activities and the asymmetric acts of war carried out by state and stateless players.Part of that line depends on the actions of the opposition.

  444. Speaking of the US sponsoring terrorism, what about the former School of the Americas in Ft Benning? We’ve since

    relabeled it

    , I suppose to try to create distance it from its reputation. We’ve trained many a terrorist there over the decades. As to defining terrorism, the military supplants its own definitions to you. They tear down and rebuild all your processes. One thing they establish early on is that there is always us and them. There is ALWAYS an enemy. Everything else you are and do is also defined for you.

  445. I read plenty of history books, thanks.

    Based on your definition, there is no state sponsorship of terrorism because every state is a state sponsor of “terrorism”. Predators and Reapers are terrorists? Ok. Those “terrorist” Contras were opposed to a corrupt semi-puppet dictatorship we were opposed to in a Sandinista regime propped up by the Soviets, and were guilty of mass executions and oppression to boot. Well, at least that was the foreign policy of the Reagan Administration, despite the efforts of the Dems in Congress who consistently provided support and comfort to the Sandinistas. But hey, Cotton’s a traitor, and apparently a terrorist too…

    When there are no left and right limits, well, there’s no structure. Was Pinochet an asshole? Sure. Was he a terrorist? No. Is Khameni an asshole? Absolutely. Is he different than Pinochet?

    Fine, you win. Don’t mind me, I’ll just stroll down to the local tattoo parlor so I can get my 666 tat, because clearly, EVERYONE associated with the DoD is the devil. Better let those State Department and CIA folks know too, I’m sure they’d be eager to get the mark of the beast as well since they’re part of the eeevvviiiiillllllllllll U.S. foreign policy. In fact, let’s stop teaching international relations, foreign policy, and strategy, because all we’re doing is spawning devils the world over. The U.N., I guess we finally found purgatory…

    Hear ye, hear ye, all CONPLANS hence forth shall bear the mark of 666, just so we REALLY know what we’re doing to the world…

    Ooooo, better yet, let me get an ISIS tattoo, because I forgot, since I work with foreign policy, I’m not the devil, I’M A TERRORIST

    But hey, what do I know, clearly I’m the biased one.

  446. But hey, Cotton’s a traitor, and apparently a terrorist too…

    Naah, Cotton is neither traitor nor terrorist. He’s an idiot. Hopefully he enjoys being the new Ted Cruz, eager to make his mark, no matter how foolish he looks in the process.

  447. If you think the Sandinistas were more corrupt and more puppet than the Somazas we’ll need to call it quits for sure.
    I came to this topic solely to counter what I find to be a hypocritical set of values and beliefs embraced by the majority in the West and especially present in Americans.
    Was Pinochet an asshole? That doesn’t begin to describe him but the point I’m trying to make is that you can’t install and support a Pinochet and play the “my hands are clean” card…uh uh no way! You also can’t look at others and piss and moan and act superior about their Pinochets.
    As for you being a “terrorist” I won’t accept that smear. I am not calling you one and if you seriously think I have implied it you are incorrect.
    In a world like we have I appreciate you pick your fights,friends and foes. I just have the added beliefs that we can’t logically deny others will have an opinion on that as well as having their own mixed bag. Our policies can be better than they are and hopefully some day soon they will be.
    FWIW I thank you for the discussion and your time.

  448. Alfie, said that way, I don’t disagree. Again, I recognize that we sleep with the devil, and in some instances, we’ve made them. I just have issue with the notion that we somehow support terrorism. I absolutely expect other states to attempt to install their own puppets, hell, we backed ourselves into a corner in being forced to support Iran’s puppet in Iraq for years (to date no less). We’ve failed to follow our national interest or principles in Iraq, and its pretty frustrating to deal with, as well serves as a key cog in the current situation.

    FWIW, I agree with you about the notion of hypocrisy. I think we should always strive to be the city on the hill, but I also firmly embrace the notion that interests trump everything else. The trick is making our values match our interests, but I recognize that that can’t always happen and that yes, sometimes you’re going to have to rely on bad people. This applies to every state and non-state actor in the international arena.

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