“Mitt” the Movie and Obama the Juror

“Mitt” the Movie

At long last I watched the Netflix film “Mitt” a documentary about Mitt Romney’s 2008 and 2012 runs for President.

If more folks had seen this side of Mitt, he might be President today. When the film ended even I felt bad for how severely I had judged him. Any suspicions that Romney is Fred MacMurray’s Steve Douglas from “My Three Sons” are confirmed in this documentary. Mitt is truly from a different age. He is wholesome to the core. Very devoted to family and to his religion.

In a telling moment Mitt complains about his lot as the “flipping Mormon”. He remarks that he can’t change the Mormon part and then quickly corrects himself that he WON’T change the Mormon part.

Other notable moments are his intense admiration for his father George Romney and his brutal honesty in the wake of his 2012 defeat where he refuses to say in his concession speech that all will go well with Obama. “I’m not going to be soothing” says Romney.

I have a problem with the way the film was edited. Seeing Romney go through the 2008 primary process humanizes him. We don’t get to see him go through the 2012 primary process and how hard he had to fight in an anyone-but-Romney lead up to his nomination. So the Mitt we see in 2012 is a hardened Mitt missing the softer edges that made him sympathetic in the film’s first half.

Still what stands out is Mitt obsessively picking trash off the floor when he’s nervous, his decent self deprecating humor, and the degree to which his family adores him – and how hurt they are by the process of running for POTUS. If nothing else, this film is a cautionary tale for the families of Presidential hopefuls.

Obama the Juror

It started on July 20, 2009 when Lynn Sweet asked Obama to weigh in on the arrest of Professor Skip Gates (a question she would never have asked a white president). Obama, self important bloviator that he is, fell right into her trap:

I don’t know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That’s just a fact.

While I felt at the time (and still do) that both Gates and the cop were stupid, Obama would have been wiser to say “no comment”. Or better, “Lynn would you be asking me this if I were white?”

Then on March 23, 2012, he did it again:

My main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. All of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves.

This comment became more absurd the more we learned what a thug Trayvon was. Again, refusing to comment on an ongoing investigation would have been smarter.

But wait, there’s more. This past Friday Obama felt compelled to comment on the murder of three young North Carolina Muslims:

No one in the United States of America should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.

Only one problem. We do not know with certainty that the victims’ religion played a role in their deaths. Again, Obama plays juror and renders verdict before all the evidence is in.

Obama may feel some special pressure as the first black President but this series of public pronouncements just comes off unpresidential at best and negligent at worst. Sometimes the best thing to do Mr. President is just shut up.

Just shut up.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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617 thoughts on ““Mitt” the Movie and Obama the Juror

  1. Obama is not a juror. A juror seeks truth (verdict). Obama keeps stepping in it because he does not. The latest is proof of his purpose.

    Funny that you claimed to vote “against” Romney in 2012 because of what you deemed important character attributes.

  2. At long last I watched the Netflix film “Mitt” a documentary about Mitt Romney’s 2008 and 2012 runs for President.

    What else is on your bucket list?

    I sat through Cowboys and Aliens. The things that pass for entertainment these days. 🙄 So are you saying if you knew then what you know now you’d vote differently? Come on. I’m not buying it.

  3. Obama can’t help himself. He shouldn’t weigh in, but even when he doesn’t, he gets flak. Face it, he’s in that unenviable position of DIYD, DIYD. With today’s plethora of recording devices, it’s damn near impossible to get away with saying anything naive, stupid, or controversial, and NOT have it come back to bite you on the ass. We grew up on America’s funniest videos, after all.

  4. Obama isn’t disappointing. He is frightening.

    Obama is the man I knew when I researched his past while the news media was going through Sarah Palin’s trash cans. Communists and socialists raised Obama, and they filled him with hatred for western colonialism which had exploited non- white people. His caretakers placed him in a Muslim society.

    Obama spent formative years in Indonesia, not the United States where some of our special value might have rubbed off on him.

    He is a good speaker, but his extemporanious comments reveal another, darker side. Like Muslims and Progressives Obama has no compunction against lying if it advances the agenda.

    I am being fair to him by using what is public knowledge. I have reached other conclusions which I will keep to myself since I can’t prove them.

    Since you voted for the man twice when this information and your current observation confirmed he was a bad choice for the United States we have only one conclusion.

    You were “Blinded by the Light.” Manfred Mann

  5. “Like Muslims and Progressives anyone else, Obama has no compunction against lying if it advances the agenda.”

    Edited for accuracy.

  6. “In a telling moment Mitt complains about his lot as the “flipping Mormon”. He remarks that he can’t change the Mormon part and then quickly corrects himself that he WON’T change the Mormon part.”

    What did you find telling about this? That’s exactly what I would’ve expected him to say.

  7. I don’t want to get up on my high horse, 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians were beheaded in Libya today.

    I heard (but did not read) that the video had some commentary stating that it was an act to avenge the crusades.

  8. Yup….Tigre…..sureal.

    Here’s Obama’s likely response:

    “While it is true that the Christian Crusaders created a legacy where social justice must be dished out I want to point out and make it very clear the Jim Crow in Richmond VA has left deep scars and that America is a divided land internally scarred and not remotely unified. We plainly don’t have the clean slate to address current evil.”

    Parades with cages…..

    Mad Max…..

    I couldn’t script Obamas dystopia in a creative writing class back in 09.

    Sad.

    He was warned, too.

  9. These IS guys get all the press nowadays. They got the bestest pr. Better than Mitt. That’s important in today’s preoccupied world for any campaign to be a success.
    Kudos to the savviness of the savages. 🙄

  10. I sat through Cowboys and Aliens. The things that pass for entertainment these days.

    😆 Well, that will save me the morbid curiosity factor. Pretty bad, hey? Chit, tonight I was looking to watch a movie for free like Huck does – only this wasn’t the new type. It was the 2005 version of War of the Worlds. Damn thing loaded a virus on my machine. 😡 First time I’ve had to deal with one of those in a long time.

    That’s what entertainment gets you…

  11. Speaking of Obama warning us about high horses, I assume all here have read about the Copenhagen killings?

    Read this today: “Before the Danes get on their high horse let’s recall the many Viking atrocities.”

    ** Guffaw **

  12. I like that version, Tex. But then I tend to like Tom Cruise films.

    Sorry about the virus. You definitely need a virus detector if you’re going to watch movies like that. AVG is a good free one.

  13. What did you find telling about this?

    “Telling” may have been a poor choice of words. I found it interesting that the camera captured him self editing and his self awareness, separating what he wanted to change (the flip flop thing) from what he didn’t.

    The film did a good job of getting into his head, particularly in the first half.

    We really don’t get an opportunity to see who candidates are as human beings. Makes me think we are actually very lucky when we get it right.

  14. From the prior thread:

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    blockquote>The question is, why in holy hell is this story on the tip of Rutherford’s tongue? Or anybody’s? Well…we know the answer. You must not have read the prior thread Rabbit. TEX BROUGHT IT UP NOT ME.

    And yes, HE brought it up BECAUSE THE KIDS WERE BLACK.

    So it wasn’t on the tip of my tongue. If Tex hadn’t brought it up to take another shot at blacks, I would NEVER have heard about it.

  15. From prior thread

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    blockquote> You’re right DR. Of course it’s a “story” because of race. Yes that’s why it was a story. As I said in the prior thread, the fact they got all this hoopla in the first place for being black was NOT a good thing. But again, I didn’t bring up the story. Tex did. I just responded.

    FWIW, I am surprised that 11 and 12 year old baseball players are as aware as Rabbit says but then I probably shouldn’t be. My daughter knows which gymnasts on her team are good and which ones suck.

    And I guess she’d also know if a star was brought in from another club to beef things up.

    So while I still believe the kids were manipulated by adults, I guess I have to face they weren’t as innocent as I envisioned.

  16. That’s what entertainment gets you…

    No that’s what stealing movies gets you. I don’t watch pirated movies out of any sense of morality. I just don’t wanna get infected.

  17. I didn’t bring it up solely because the kids were black, Rutherford. I brought it up because the parents of the kids were blaming whitey for their cheating. You should learn the whole story before you make false accusation. 🙂

  18. Huck, I actually run McAfee (for free) as it part of my premium package for cable. I haven’t it found McAfee to be all that swift and occasionally have had to run malware removers to catch everything.

    Get this.

    Though it informed me of the virus and said it was quarantined, it said it didn’t have authority to remove the virus which begin directing me to other sites, including some nice porn offers. Grrr…I went through the registry in safe mode and deleted all references. So far, so good.

  19. “So it wasn’t on the tip of my tongue. If Tex hadn’t brought it up to take another shot at blacks, I would NEVER have heard about it”

    My bad on that.

    Taking a shot at blacks? You mean holding black people to a standard, ultimately treating them with dignity?

  20. Thanks for the corrections last night.Ha Ha!

    Blacks are Democratic serfs. They are one of the Democrats’ most reliable supporters.
    Democrats take them for granted and throw them a few scraps to keep them in line.
    They are fenced in with the equivalent of invisible fences used to keep pets on the lawn., One trick is to convince blacks the other side is racist and wants to keep them marginalized.

    Liberals have conditioned them to react the way many did after the police shootings and in situations like the cheating ball players. The parents’ reaction is not surprising.

    I’d like to see the movie when I have time, whenever that is.

  21. Copenhagen was a false flag predicted before it happened. It became suspect a month ago based on the drills that were taking place there. The next ‘event’ is likely to happen in Italy, according to those keeping up with these things. From VT’s Kevin Barrett:

    So when I read the mainstream news articles on Copenhagen, I almost felt like I could have written them myself…before it happened. But if you think I was uncanny in my Copenhagen predictions, get a load of Ole Dammegard. On Friday’s Truth Jihad Radio, Ole predicted a likely false flag in Copenhagen. Then on Saturday, BOOM! “Muslims in black ski masks shoot Jews and blasphemers! Bibi urges Jews to flee to Israel!”

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/15/copenhagen/

    Of course its all just coincidence if that makes you sleep better at night.

  22. “All crusaders: safety for you will be only wishes especially if you are fighting us all together. Therefore we will fight you all together. The sea you have hidden Sheikh Osama bin Laden’s body in, we swear to Allah we will mix it with your blood.” -ISIS upon cutting off dozens if christian heads as they face Rome.

    Sheikh Osama bin Laden? Rutherford?

  23. Speaking of witch….its shocking how little self reflection from the Obama administration and his media troubadors over the utter anarchy in Libya.

  24. Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, people remember that just last week in our own country Christian crusaders tolerated an atheist executing 3 Muslims over a parking spot.

  25. “If more folks had seen this side of Mitt, he might be President today. When the film ended even I felt bad for how severely I had judged him. Any suspicions that Romney is Fred MacMurray’s Steve Douglas from “My Three Sons” are confirmed in this documentary. Mitt is truly from a different age. He is wholesome to the core. Very devoted to family and to his religion.”

    Well why didn’t you see this side of him, Rutherford? It was there, we all saw the decent man. Well who knows what the usual clowns saw but the rest of us just saw a decent man who loved people, and watched him lose to a celebrity dream date who wanted only to fundamentally change her and make her into his own image.

    I’m not the slightest but interested in watching this. It’ll just make me freshly furious and sorrowful.

  26. “It’ll just make me freshly furious and sorrowful.”

    Yeah, that’s what it did to me. And yes, this “side” of Mitt was available to anyone that cared to look. There were a variety of reports I recall about his “decency” that were barely mentioned, all done with complete humility and without attribution (e.g. sparing no resources to locate the missing daughter of a lower level employee, stopping to help a man struggling to remove a tree stump from his front yard, etc.)

    But before you climb up your high horse, let’s not forget the car elevator, dog on the car roof, and his wife’s therapeutic riding of them “dancey horsies.” He ain’t like us, remember? Obama is. He’s black and cool, and everything.

    Damn. I’m “going there” again just thinking about the MSNBC attacks while covering over the abject failure we’re stuck with for another 2 years.

    Something that always shocks me about Rutherford is that he’s shocked that a conservative demonstrates compassion, decency or maternal/paternal instincts (Bachman, Palin, now Romney).

    Actually no I’m not. He’s programming is voluntary.

  27. I’m placing bets now. On what day will Rutherford suddenly find the Republican Candidate an elitist, incompetent, crooked, trust fun baby and/or in the case of Scott Walker, anti-science and stupid – no matter who the Dim candidate is? 🙂

    I’ll set the date about Jan 2, 2016. Rutherford will hold off as long as possible to save face before the Sarah Palin comparisons begin, knowing fully well we will be retrieving his “faux disgust” entries of Leftist thought. That will give us ten full months of rank, 47%, pure MSNBC propaganda.

  28. I wouldn’t take that bet. I remember the faux consideration of the candidates in 2012. There never was any consideration. Yes We Can!

  29. Well why didn’t you see this side of him, Rutherford?

    Muffy, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, influenced by all sorts of input.

    I’m a NYC metro guy, unfamiliar with Mitt’s “type”. When I said he’s from another age, I think I’m saying he’s not the urban rude type I’m used to.

    I wrote off his singing the national anthem at stump stops as corny. When I looked at him I saw the guy who could fire me without blinking an eye.

    But what’s funny is that the Mitt I saw in the film reminded me of my college roommate. A bit socially awkward, but a very very “good” man.

    As I told Poolman, I wouldn’t have voted differently but I sure would have been more fair in my writing about him.

  30. Tigre, honest question, putting aside MSNBC, wouldn’t you agree the “rich prick” was the far more visible image pushed by the media?

    I submit to find the “Netflix Mitt” would have taken a little digging.

    P.S. I did hear about him looking for the missing daughter. I’m not familiar with the tree stump story.

  31. I think rich by riding on the backs of others, out-of-touch, and for the MSNBC crowd in particular, and deluded Mormon. Frankly, the left requires their political opponents to be evil in order to feed their belief in, nay need to feel moral superiority. The shallow stuff you zeroed in to feed that was unbelievably lame.

    Rutherford, you didn’t do much to understand Romney. I remember generally how it went. You were going to vote for Obama not matter what and claiming otherwise was complete and total bullshit.

    I don’t think, me, Tex or anyone else pretended to consider a vote for Obama or any other Dem no matter what. You on the other hand tried unsuccessfully to convince us you were disappointed in Obama and would. After seeing what turd he is, you voted for him a second time — and would vote for him again if you could.

  32. “As I told Poolman, I wouldn’t have voted differently but I sure would have been more fair in my writing about him.” -R

    Wtf? Go Team!!!

    You would vote for Obama over Rmeny knowing what you know now?????

    Romeny’s foreign policy debate against Obama is one of the most prophetic things I’ve ever seen in stumping. That alone should be the deal breaker.

    I’ve never seen a second term President so fundamentally wrong about the globe.

    Dude…..Belky…..

  33. I had Romeny wrong until the ’12 campaign.

    Only the MSNBC haters and biggots didn’t know that, at the very least, Romney was a caring, decent man.

  34. You on the other hand tried unsuccessfully to convince us you were disappointed in Obama and would. After seeing what turd he is, you voted for him a second time

    You forgot to mention I had no other Democrat to root for and I vociferously called for a primary challenge.

    Believe what you like. In 2016 I’m caught in a huge bind. HRC is not to my liking so I need to pray the GOP presents an alternative that won’t make me swallow too hard or hold my nose too tight.

  35. “wouldn’t you agree the “rich prick” was the far more visible image pushed by the media?” -R

    Noooooo! You’re not saying the MSM slants left are you? But but but….we were trying to tell you Romwny didn’t give that woman cancer.

    Lol….fucking dolt of dolts.

  36. Putting aside Poolman’s false flag foolishness, this nutjob was on the Danish authorities radar.

    So the real question is do we wait until it is too late or do we go Minority Report and detain folks before they commit crime?

  37. Hey Pot, are you suggesting you’d vote for a Democrat under ANY circumstances?

    Hey Rumpelstiltskin, did you forget I voted for my Dim district representative as recently as November? When is the last time you pulled anything but the ‘D’ lever, Pavlov?

    In a national election? Hell no. But unlike you after they’ve failed miserably, I don’t start the weasel wormed, mealy mouthed, disingenuous, personal horseshit about ‘mediocre.’

  38. So the real question is do we wait until it is too late or do we go Minority Report and detain folks before they commit crime?

    I say we do better then the Minority Report. Don’t let them in the country. until they clean their act up.

    Any Musilm moving to America needs to be vetted 15 times and then better have an engineering degree.

  39. Instead of sending troops to fight ISIL, Bibi urges Jews to flee to Israel. If he cared about Jews he’d do something to help them where they are. He cares more about Israel and his own power than he does about Jews.

    Any idea where those Jewish immigrants would wind up? Probably in Jewish settlements in Palestine.

    Finally he fears Israel will be wiped off the face of the Earth and in his next breath he urges Jews globally to migrate to Ground Zero?

    Pffft.

  40. Dude….Go back to your comments and blogs during the ’12 campaign.

    You’re the blog historian. You go back and find where I ever blamed Romney for giving a woman cancer. I attacked him as a predatory capitalist and to my discredit, I did not give him his due as a caring human being.

  41. Instead of sending troops to fight ISIL, Bibi urges Jews to flee to Israel. If he cared about Jews he’d do something to help them where they are. He cares more about Israel and his own power than he does about Jews.

    Uh, Rumple Rutherford. Exactly what do you want Bibi to do to protect Jews in Europe, Pavlov, as anti-Semitism once again rears its ugly head across Europe? Unleash hell from Israel? 🙄

    Damn Rutherford. No wonder you sound like Sponge Bob Squarepants – to many years of sheltered living, learning from the Gospel of Rev. Jeremiah has squared your sponge head.

  42. Predatory capitalist? What does that mean?

    You rolled with laughter the idiot’s delight, “the 80s called and want their foreign policy back.” Hahahahahahaha. Hehehehehehehehe.

    Binders filled with women. Hahahahahahah.

    Corporations are people. Hahahahahaha.

    I think I recall all kinds of delight at the MSNBC shots at Anne Romney and that awful son of his that said how angry he was at his Dad’s critics. Remember that phony, O’Donnell, your silver spoon “friend” at MSNBC, that put on his fake accent and tough guy routine to challenge Mitt’s son to a fist fight?

  43. Hold on there. You are venturing close to the Twilight Zone of logic.

    Bibi can do little or nothing to help European Jews where they are because they are in Europe, not Israel. Muslim enclaves are growing and they, combined with some native anti semeticism create a growing danger for the Jews. Its not that every one of them will be killed, but the statistical odds favoring continued small-scale attacks are growing. Israel cannot protect them in Europe.

    An orderly migration to Israel would strengthen the country and postpone the day when Jews were a minority in their own nation. Of course, Bibi cares more about the power of Israel and his own. He is a politician.

    He cannot send troops to fight ISIS. They would create a distraction to the detriment of the war effort. I’ll bet some of the Muslim soldiers would start shooting at Jewish troops. Israel may be at ground zero, but Jews have weapons, and they can fight.

    I don’t think all European Jews should migrate to Israel, but the reality of their predicament makes “Pffft” inappropriate. Its almost Obamaesque.

  44. So Tigre let’s take em one at a time:

    1) Yes I laughed at the 80’s remark. I was wrong.

    2) Binders full of women was one of the most poorly worded defenses of pro-diversity imaginable. He coulda done better on that one.

    3) Corporations are NOT people. Unless you are more wealthy than I know, the growing plutocracy will screw you over too.

    4) I never defended Crazy Larry’s rant against Tagg. In fact based on your Boston background I got a kick out of your nailing Larry. Maybe I never said so.

    5) I don’t recall any MSNBC hate directed at Anne Romney. I did say at the time I found her to be a very angry woman. The Netflix doc even put that in perspective a bit. She never knows when the MS is going to come back and kick her in the ass. I might come off angry under such circumstances too.

  45. An orderly migration to Israel would strengthen the country and postpone the day when Jews were a minority in their own nation.

    You lost me there. The whole point of Israel is a Jewish state and with that a Jewish majority. For that to change the entire definition of Israel would change. Is there truly any remote danger of Israel becoming minority Jewish?

    He cannot send troops to fight ISIS. They would create a distraction to the detriment of the war effort. I’ll bet some of the Muslim soldiers would start shooting at Jewish troops. Israel may be at ground zero, but Jews have weapons, and they can fight.

    I’m lost again. If they can fight close to home they can fight abroad. Of course Muslims will try to kill them. It’s called war. Besides I’m not talking ground troops. I’m talking bombing raids. I’m talking helping America for once instead of always asking for our help.

    Frankly I’m surprised. I thought the minute Jews started dying Israel would react like Jordan and Egypt and kick some ass. I truly thought that was their tradition – You don’t fuck with Israel. Instead Bibi does a twist on the old Jamaica tourist commercial:

    Make it Israel and make it your home.

  46. “Corporations are NOT people.”

    Corporations ARE people, just as unions ARE people (as you would agree) and particularly under the statutory definition hat applied to Citizens Untied. The fact that you lack the intellectual fortitude to understand (1) the issue, and (2) the comment proves my point. Idiot’s delight.

    MSNBC spent plenty of time trashing Anne Romney. The “she’s angry” or unpleasant or whatever observations you made of her were pathetic as I recall.

    It’s what you tuned into or claim to tune into is my gripe. I’m surprised you don’t refer to The View more. Looks, imagery and vague notions of who’s a meanie and who cares more for the little guy seem to really drive your interests in the candidates.

    I’m no big Romney fan but I never questioned his ethics and motivations. Where you got that he was an economic predator and all the other negative bullshit was straight from MSNBC and you fucking know it. We know it too.

    How do I search your blog to look at the Tagg stuff you found so out of line?

  47. MSNBC again? Tigre at least 50% of the oppo research against Romney focused on Bain. You couldn’t turn on a TV and avoid it.

    As for Tagg, I probably was offended at the time by his saying he wanted to punch the POTUS in the nose. But I also saw Crazy Larry’s rant for the silliness that it was.

    I seem to remember your saying you knew tough guys (in Southie?) who could break Lawrence O’Donnell in two. I found it funny at the time even if I didn’t say so.

  48. Both corporations and unions are (obviously) composed of people. That does not mean, to my mind, that either should enjoy equal standing with individual American citizens.

  49. I don’t think Tagg said he wanted to punch Obama. I thought it was his dad’s critics. But I would LOVE to punch Obama, right after I beat the ever-loving shit out of that pussy O’Donnel.

    R, you prove my point again with the corporations comment. You don’t even try to understand the comment yet think your giggling well-placed. I think I we should all chip in for some front row seats to The View for you.

  50. Yes, there is a remote chance Jews could become a minority in their own country. Arab citizens are multiplying faster than Jews. I think Israel did not send soldiers to fight in the Gulf War or in Iraq though they would have. They were asked not to end troops because they would have been a complicating distraction.

    I don’t know why Israel isn’t bombing ISIS from a distance. It is possible some of our allies might not want to fight beside Jews. It is also possible Israel wants to use its resources against more threatening neighbors at home.

    Citizens of Egypt and Jordan were killed on video. I could be wrong, but I don’t think ISIS has murdered any Israelies. The Jews have been killed in Europe and the US. If ISIS murders Jews on YouTube we will be able to test your thesis.

  51. Unfortunately Rutherford you seem to have a very one sided audience. The comments to your blog seem to come primarily from a right wing fringe. IT appears that you are trying to reconcile with this ignorant lot.

    On Mitt you are being too generous. The guy couldn’t run as the governor of liberal Massachusetts so he constantly reinvented his image for the primaries and general election. As a result he looked like a fake because he was a fake. Then he commissioned this softball documentary to retell his story yet again. His problem was not that he was robotic but that he was ready to throw anyone under the bus to win.

    I also don’t think that he holds the 47% in disdain, he just doesn’t think about them unless they vote for him. Remember this is the guy with the $100M IRA and the elevator for his car. BTW I liked Fred McMurray

    As far as Obama is concerned he is the President and is a black man. He absolutely should express his opinion on race related and controversial topics just as he does on other things like the Newtown shooting or ISIL attacks.

    After 8 years of Republican and neo-con hell we as a country are finally recovering and doing well. The immoral and illegal war in Iraq is over but wee are suffering from the consequences that include ISIL. As a country it is our responsibility to ensure the safety and well being of all of our citizens, not just the ones that look like Mitt.

  52. After 8 years of Republican and neo-con hell we as a country are finally recovering and doing well.

    Yeah. Especially on the foreign diplomatic as the Middle East burns courtesy of the JV, racial reconciliation, national debt, and work force participation fronts. Yeah Ajax! Are you by chance any relation to someone going by the name of JAL?

  53. “Is there truly any remote danger of Israel becoming minority Jewish?”

    No. This is nothing but fear-mongering. 75% of the country is Jewish. And, while the current population growth of Israeli Arabs is about 2.2%, that is down from 3% over the last 10 years. Similarly, the Jewish population growth rate has increased from 1.4% to 1.7% over that same period.

    This is why there will never be a “1 State Solution”. Because if that were to happen, Jews would be a minority. Last year there was buzz from some in the Palestinian camp that they might start pushing for a 1 State Solution, knowing that, if it happened, they could gain a majority control of the Israeli legislature. And that is why, last year, the Knesset passed a law defining Israel as a “Jewish state”.

    But with all that said, there’s nothing wrong with what Bibi said, and he was right to say it. “You don’t fuck with Israel” means exactly that–you don’t fuck with Israel. And right now, IS isn’t fucking with Israel. Israeli jets getting into the mix will just screw up the dynamics, because, as mentioned, the Arabs won’t fight with them.

  54. Guys if you think that the foreign policy mess in the middle east is Obama’s fault then you should let Jeb Bush know. He is busy trying not to relitigate the past and ddeny his support from his brother’s wars and foreign policy. There was no ISIS or AlQueda in the region until George and company destabilized the region.

    I may stick around just to bring some reality to the collective delusion going on here.

  55. OMFG The first guest on Hardball is state dept spokesperson Marie Harf. She looks and sounds like she’s 4 months out of high school.

    Worst part – the cure to Islamist terrorism is to improve the economic circumstances so they won’t want to join jihad. Are you kidding me????

    Even Matthews ain’t buying it. Can we please go back to employing adults at Foggy Bottom?

  56. “Harsh bra. Religious test for entry into the country. Harsh.”

    Is “harsh” just a feeling? I know “feelings” is what its all about with the left.

  57. This is a minor disagreement with Huck. A one state solution would as he wrote create an Arab majority under present population ratios. If present population growth patterns continue, Jews WILL be a minority in their own country. It might take a hundred years, but the current trend takes us there.

    Ajax, I hope you stay around. Rutherford needs more help than he is getting. So far, you reveal your ignorance and blindness. First, you wouldn’t know an extremist if it bit you on the foot if. If you support Obama’s goals, you are the extremist. Words matter, and I will not let you get away with faulty categorisation. Picture a bell curve the norm is in the middle, and extremes are at the low edges. A recent Gallop poll shows more people identify as conservatives than liberals. Do you understand now?

    Jeb Bush is a nonsequatar, which you used as a smoke screen. Jeb has nothing to do with your hypothesis that Bush caused our problems.

    The only sentence with any relevance tells us that until Bush destabilized the region there was no Al Quiada or ISIS. But is it true? Sort of where Al Quiada is concerned. Hussein and they had contacts but AQ didn’t enter Iraq in large numbers until the Bush-caused chaos began. I don’t think we should have invaded Iraq before Afghanistan was subdued, but members of both parties supported the war.

    The Surge changed everything, though Democrats opposed it because they thought winning an election was better than winning the war. Iraq became relatively stable until Obama withdrew too soon.

    ISIS didn’t exist until Obama led from behind and let much of the Middle East disintegrate. Bush created a mess, he partly corrected his mistake, and Obama created an even bigger mess.

    And that, Ajax is the way it is.

  58. The Surge changed everything, though Democrats opposed it because they thought winning an election was better than winning the war. Iraq became relatively stable until Obama withdrew too soon.

    This popular talking point contains an oxymoron. A country propped up by another country is by definition unstable.

    Before Obama withdrew our troops, war correspondents such as NBC’s Richard Engel called Iraq, as a country, a joke, a farce. Malaki was clearly interested in avenging on behalf of Shia, much to the consternation of Sunni’s.

    The surge did next to nothing to fix the clusterfuck. It simply established the American dominance without which the country couldn’t and didn’t survive.

  59. Muffy might it be a bit more complicated? Might Iraq have been the first domino? Can you say with any degree of certainty that had Iraq not been broken by Bush, other things might have gone down differently?

  60. “You know what Tigre? Just for you I’m gonna take a deeper dive into Citizens United so I can see just how much I don’t get it.”

    Better late than never.

  61. “Worst part – the cure to Islamist terrorism is to improve the economic circumstances so they won’t want to join jihad. Are you kidding me????”

    Good grief is that parody? (Stolen from Tex)

    The remedy for genocide is what now? Cuddle therapy?

  62. “Muffy might it be a bit more complicated? Might Iraq have been the first domino? Can you say with any degree of certainty that had Iraq not been broken by Bush, other things might have gone down differently?”

    Of course it is more complicated, just as it’s more complicated than Obama walking away from Iraq like he didn’t give a fuck. Which might be an overwhelming factor as well.

    Jive talking.

  63. Muffy, Ms. Harf might as well have been parody. When we get down to brass tacks her message was “we can’t fix this ISIL problem”.

    The fact that she sounded 16 years old didn’t help matters.

  64. No, a country propped up by another country is still stable. Examples abound. Three of the most recent are Germany, Japan, and Italy. Our occupation forces kept those countries together and reshaped their political cultures.

    We would have better served Iraq to force the politicians to treat the opposing parties equally and to include them all in the government. We had the strength to impose our will on Iraq. Instead, we mostly watched and hoped.
    Our surge set the stage for a relatively stable and loosely defined free country.

    The Surge DID fix the cluster. Our attacks persuaded tribes who had fought against us to join the fight against Al Quiada. Our mistake was as I wrote, we let the leadership dissipate our gains. Our next step was to occupy Iraq for at least a generation or two and to force or bribe the government to treat its citizens equally.

    The most important part of your comment was that Iraq couldn’t survive without our imposed leadership. It couldn’t. Hence our need for generations of occupying troops. The aftermath of a war is often the hardest and most expensive.

    Obama’s premature evacuation created a vacume which, given the rotten government and mistrust, let things fall apart.

    No, Iraq was not the first domino. Had we not occupied on the cheap and left too soon, Iraq would be a better place than it is, and its military might have stopped ISIS in their country.

    As I wrote, Bush created a problem, and Obama made it worse. Bush has been gone for awhile–time for Obama to make the region better. He failed.

  65. Ms. Harf. Lol.

    Buffy the tri delt. I love how she imitates Obama’s demeaning tone and speech patterns. She’s a shoe in for MSNBC and already has the requisite eye ware.

  66. I mistypes and got sent to purgatory (moderation).

    “Ms. Harf” a/k/a Buffy the Tri Delt is all yours. Total twit with the requisite MSNBC eye ware. The State Dept.’s Pajamagirl.

  67. The Surge DID fix the cluster. Our attacks persuaded tribes who had fought against us to join the fight against Al Quiada.

    I believe our money persuaded them, not our attacks. A key part of the surge was buying some factions off.

  68. Tigre, a gift for you:

    It didn’t take much time for me to discover one of my misconceptions about Citizens United. I did not know it was limited to COMMUNICATION. I thought it allowed unlimited political donations.

    I’ll return to this sometime tomorrow after I get a good night’s sleep.

  69. Anybody seen a massive American Christian prayer gathering for the 21 Coptic Christians who were beheaded?

    I can’t get over what an apologist for Islam, the absolute duplicity in judgment, and how poorly you are read. I used to think event though you not terribly bright, at least you had a dose of common sense. I don’t even think that anymore. Last week, we had thousands of Muslims gather for the deaths of three young Muslims that apparently weren’t even on account of being Muslim, but by some man that pretty much thinks like you. And not one fucking peep by the perpetrator of peace here in America.

    Go fuck yourself, coward. Do they have to fucking cut your wife’s head off, dumb shit, before even you get it, substitute and thief?

    Let me set the record straight. Have you ever heard of the Billy Graham Association? 🙄

  70. Guys if you think that the foreign policy mess in the middle east is Obama’s fault then you should let Jeb Bush know. He is busy trying not to relitigate the past and ddeny his support from his brother’s wars and foreign policy. There was no ISIS or AlQueda in the region until George and company destabilized the region.

    Hey Ajax? Asshole apologists for Obama’s massive foreign policy failures (like you and to a lesser degree Muslim asswipes like Huck) were blaming GITMO and Abu Ghraib for spreading jihadism. There was no GITMO on 9/11, dumbass. There was no Bush for President when the embassies in Syria, Libya, and Yemen fell – pure fucking, unadulterated Barack Hussein Obama gross negligence – an imbecile who once called the ISIS the JV? Remember that No? It’s because you’re one of the dumb clucks genuflecting in front of Styrofoam columns of Obama’s greatness in 2008, shitting your pants over Obama’s Nobel, and how Obama was going to usher in world peace and “repair” America’s global reputation. People like you are pathetic.

    How’s that repairing our reputation working for you, nitwit? How’s the Useful Idiot Obama’s 15% military approval rating grab you, virtually universally loathed by the men that protect your worthless ass? Russia reset to the USSR, China rolling our ass, Africa fragmenting into Boko Harem, Eastern blocs abandoned, 23 Middle Eastern countries on fire, insulting our allies, and Iran with a bomb while Europe plays dead. Obama couldn’t have performed better for radical Islam if he had been leader of Al Qaeda.

    If you’re going to come in here and excuse a depraved, American hating, epically failed POS like Obama while blaming Bush for the last miserable seven years, and I’m sure you will because you’re too stupid to recognize how bad you’ve failed in your own personal judgment, licking the balls of a man so crass he went golfing after a journalist beheaded, or gave a shout out while 13 soldiers lay dead at Ft. Hood, you’re obviously just another MSNBC puppet. You’re not going to last.

    Wake up, stupid. The rest of the world already impeached your man of hope and change. The only thing that throbbing hemorrhoid for President inspires is a punch line in a joke and you’re his groupie.

    That makes you Rosie O’Donnell.

  71. Citizens dealt with application of statutory electioneering restrictions applied to independent corporate expenditures (from the general treasury), not political contributions.

    At least you see this has to do with the First Amendment.

    Of course corporations aren’t people, so they have no First Amendment Rights, right? 🙄

    You get extra credit if you can figure out why your constitutional scholar Obama was met with Roberts shaking his head at the SOTU. (Hint: the dumb-fuck-in-chief misrepresented the holding as he lectured the SCOTUS).

  72. “Just cos I love ya Tigre I approved your comment and let you state it two different ways. Twice the profound wisdom!”

    Seriously, what is it with the MSNBC left and the thick-rimmed glasses? It’s like members only sissy gang attire. Is there a secret handshake or does it end with the douchie Muppet look?

  73. Just so it is clear for people with difficulty in understanding what has happened. Saddam Hussein had held Iraq together before the invasion, but his grip was slipping. The CIA worried about what would happen if Hussein was gone. We found out after the invasion. Bushe’s occupation plans were inadequate in my opinion, but we did plan to keep an occupying force in Iraq.

    Bush left office, though it seems hard for Obama allies to realize he has been gone these any years. Obama, for political reasons told us the war was over because among other things, he had killed Ossama bin Ladin. He lied to us and or himself when he said Al Quiada was on the run and that ISIS was nothing to worry about. It was the second string. His meddling in the Arab Spring was an event separate from the Iraqi situation.

    ISIS surprised the administration and the Iraqi army melted like spring snow before the invading ISIS troops because our soldiers who could have held Iraq together were no longer there. They were gone, and Obama ignored the danger.

    Now, ISIS earns money from Iraqi oil fields and they continue to spread like a cancer. Bush had nothing to do with that, because he was gone, and he didn’t destabilize Mideastern countries as Obama did. I am over simplifying, but ISIS was born of Obama’s incompetance and inattention.

    AJax, carefully read Tex’ s latest missive to you.

    I am writing so early because I am home while my wife is in Omaha with our grand daughter. I am sick, and a coughing spell woke me.

  74. ISIS surprised the administration

    No. Not really. What is surprising though is how people will believe anything they see and hear if it’s on teevee. It is the great validator in our time, bringing fantasy to life. “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” – 2 Timothy 4:3

    The CIA and the U.S. Military Industrial Complex have now invested over 6 months of ISIS branding, promotion, and public relations. It was revealed by early January of 2015 that the U.S. had already dumped over one billion dollars to fight ISIS. All supposedly invested in failed air strikes and un-televised secret battles against ISIS where the U.S. ends up attacking Syrian targets instead.

    The ISIS psyop has been worked on so hard by the architects of the plan that now we are seeing the final desired political goals of the entire operation – an operation which has become more of a global theater. The ISIS psyop theater is now coming to fruition and the globalists are speaking loud and clear about what they want, which is really an admission to why they concocted the ISIS psyop to begin with.

    They want the authorization to use “unlimited” military “force” wherever they want, whenever they want and (of course) on WHO-ever they want to use it on. Isn’t this a tyrannical empire’s dream come true? And with this revelation the romance between ISIS and CIA/US/Israel and the other NATO ISIS partners is now fully exposed to anyone willing to see it for what it is.

    For over 6 months Americans and people all over the world who still retain their normal critical thinking skills have been subjected to painfully sloppy fake ISIS videos, heavily scripted news reports verbally dictating to us accounts of supposed battles against ISIS. All along, as the months go by, ISIS has not been affected at all by anything the U.S. and its pro-ISIS allies have done. If anything, they keep telling us that ISIS continues to grow.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2015/02/unlimited-war-isis-psyop-theater-comes.html

    Stupid humans. We could not have survived this long without supernatural intervention.

  75. Rutherfords, do you wear glasses? If so, be honest now. Are they esthetically proximate to Hayes/Maddow/Capehart/Harf/Heilman/Carney/Pajamaboy/Carney/MHP/O’Donnel glasses?

  76. “Tex in Huck’s defense, even you have to admit 98% of American Christians don’t know WTF a Coptic Christian is and another 50% don’t care.”

    Is that supposed to explain your damnable lack of concern for the victims of the most savage beasts the world has seen since the Nazis? Are you that faint?

    They were human beings, they were marched to the sea, and they had their heads sawed off. Someday the sea might turn red with the blood leaving your body while you scream for God to help you.

    100% of American Christians know what an Islamic terrorist is. Which is more than I can say for you, Huck, and the occasional WH occupant.

  77. Yes, Rutherford, kids are little petre dishes aren’t they? Our grand daughter keeps on giving.

    I’m feeling better, though I’m staying home at least another day. My being home let me watch a tiny low pressure develop along an Arctic cold front. It gave us almost an inch of fluffy snow in snow showers and at least four inches 150 miles southwest. Our visibility fell to a half mile with blowing snow for about three minutes That gives us about 21 inches of snow for the winter and Omaha still less than a foot. It has been a dry winter. Our inch of old snow may stay with us until March with little prospect of much more. The new snow will have long since evaporated by then.

    A neighbor who lives in Nebraska couldn’t get to the farm across the road because the weather turned bad too early in November. He is combining corn today.

    Poolman, I prefer the think ISIS surprised Obamaites.The alternative is too horrible to contemplate. If Obama knew this would happen, he is complicate in horrible murders and doesn’t deserve to be walking free. I’m not there yet.

    Ignorance or lack of concern for Coptic Christians or others is irrelevant. They were people with friends, families and ambitions. Now they are dead before their time, and many more people will also die. That is all that matters.

  78. I missed Huck’s gem.

    FWIW, my son asked me to take him to church Sunday evening (I am not a church goer but he, his sister and my wife are practicing Catholics), and I learned of the beheadings then. A special prayer was lead for the victims. Does that count Huck?

  79. p.s. my understanding of the structure of the Catholic church causes me to think it was probably something that happened in thousands of Catholic churches not just the one I attended.

    Rutherford, what are you defending exactly?

  80. These onesie toddlers are just trying to frame the non-existent grand plan to degradeandultimatelydestroyoyoy by refashioning what the grownups have been saying about the need for a multi-pronged approach to beating back the spread and growing strength of radical Islam.

    It gets complicated because they’re not supposed to say the radical Islam part and that is paramount and it makes them stilted and awkward. Plus they don’t get how jobs will…um…help and stuff…….so they get all…you know…..lost in the stupid.

  81. They have jobs. Sites under Islamic State control are being looted on a massive scale. WSJ has the story.

    Trading in stolen antiquities has become the Islamic State’s second-largest source of financing, according to the UN Security Council.

    We are all losing our cultural heritage and knowledge of history through the looting.

  82. Mrs Harf is shockingly ignorant. Scary times when we have an administration this wrong and out of touch.

    Their main concern with ISIS and Al Queda is lying to Americans about them.

  83. If Obama and his crew had been running the US during the Pearl Harbor attack we all would understand the lyrics of Helene Fischer’s song “Atemios durch…”

  84. 100% of American Christians know what an Islamic terrorist is. Which is more than I can say for you, Huck, and the occasional WH occupant.

    Oh give it a rest Betsy Ross.

  85. Rutherford, what are you defending exactly?

    I’ll start you with Tex’s comment and then you can follow the bouncing ball on your own:

    “Anybody seen a massive American Muslim prayer gathering for the 21 Coptic Christians who were beheaded?”

  86. Who didn’t know Rutherfrau was going to avoid an answer he doesn’t have by reciting the order of comments instead.

    Learn a new dance, Marie.

  87. Ahhhh Donny so good to see you giving Tigre backup. Reciprocation is honorable.

    Nah I thought I’d let Tigre do some homework instead of spelling out the answer to his latest “Huh?”

    But since you came late to the party and are likely to flitter away soon as is your habit, let me spell it out.

    1) Tex asks with typical snark how many Muslims have gathered in prayer for the dead Coptic Christians, somehow implying that if they gather in prayer for 3 of their own, they should do this for the Christians.

    2) Huck asks a reasonable follow up about the (nonexistent) mass prayers held by Christians for these same Coptics.

    3) I then chimed in (on the side of reason aka Huck) that we might not be seeing these Christian mass prayers in America because most American Christians don’t know what a Coptic Christian even is. In fact most Americans were more interested in talking about the 40th anniversary of SNL.

    As a fitting epilogue, Tex went on to predictably attack Huck and Tigre, using his excellent legal mind extrapolated anecdotal data to declare a world of Christian hurt within the USA.

    Oh and then you chimed in with the usual snark.

    I hope the Cliff Notes to the thread did you and Tigre some good.

  88. I almost added that the other dance you know how to do is the one where you offer repetition in lieu of answers you don’t have.

    You don’t even know what you were “defending” do you?

    Your remark doesn’t make sense no matter how much context you try and put it in.

    That victim envy of yours is showing, Rutherfrau. Not a pretty sight.

  89. “If present population growth patterns continue, Jews WILL be a minority in their own country.”

    The pattern shows Israeli Arab population growth shrinking and its Jewish population growth rising.

    “100% of American Christians know what an Islamic terrorist is. Which is more than I can say for you, Huck”

    Since you don’t know anything about me that I don’t choose to share, I don’t fault you for not being able to speak to what I do and don’t know. But I do find it awfully presumptuous that you think you can speak to what 100% of American Christians know.

    76%-80% people in the country say they are Christian. That means there’s probably a whole lot of them who voted for, and share the same ideology as, the manin the White House — the guy you say doesn’t know what an Islamic terrorist is.

    So does that mean 100% of American Christians don’t know what an Islamic terrorist is, and that you’re just talking out of your ass, or does it mean you’re also qualified to decide who is and isn’t a Christian?

    “Does that count Huck?”

    Ask Tex. He’s the one who set the parameter of “massive”

    “my understanding of the structure of the Catholic church causes me to think it was probably something that happened in thousands of Catholic churches not just the one I attended.”

    Are you assuming it hasn’t happened in any mosques?

  90. @ R – Radical Islamlic genicide and mass murder. You might even be blithe about their special treatment for women and little girls.

  91. Muffy, serious question. Whatever lead you to believe I’m “oh whatever” about mass murder? I really think you invent your own little Rutherford. Do you have a voodoo doll of me? Might explain this persistent cough and pain in my left leg. 🙂

  92. @ Huck – are you addressing me or Rutherford with the “awfully presumptuous” drill about what Christians know or care about?

    Are you feeling talkative now? Could you possibly educate us all on radical Islam? Its not Islam, right? How is it different exactly? The talking points are confusing. Can you cut through the rebop and give it to us straight, Fairplay?

    And about the false equivalences – do you dispute the information made available in the last thread regarding the crusades that the Obama administration equates with radical Islam today?

    And is there any chance you could explain the prevailing anti-Semitism in the Democratic party?

    I know I have some more questions I’m dying to ask you but thats all for now. Write back soon. TTYL. Bye!

  93. By the way, I don’t believe that very many people Christian or otherwise that voted for Obama know his particular ideology much less share it.

  94. “Are you assuming it hasn’t happened in any mosques?”

    I made no assumptions when I wrote that. I was sharing an observation. Sorry it was inconsistent with your point.

    But since you ask, “yes.” I assume it hasn’t happened in any mosques.

    Please correct me. We don’t have a large Muslim population here so if there’s a vocal/conspicuous response among it I haven’t and probably wouldn’t see it.

    Is the structure of prayer and preaching as centralized in mosques as it is with Catholics? Other than asking my Muslim friends and Google, is there a place I can find out? I assume you’re Muslim. What say you, Huck?

  95. R, nice dodge. Recounting the exchange didn’t answer the question. But please don’t bother with more of it. I’m familiar with the drill when you don’t have a good answer. It’s like trying to give your cat a bath.

  96. Rutherford it’s too bad you’re so satisfied with your own ignorance of how the Catholic church or any other church functions. It’s kinda embarrassing really.

  97. Huck, the Jerusalem Post says “The new study published on Sunday, just a day after the Muslem Eid al-Adha holiday showing Muslim growth rate is slowing down;having dropped from 3.8 percent in 2000 to just 2.4% in 2013.

    The bureau’s study shows the Muslim population growth is still higher than the growth rates of Christian and Jewish populations in Israel. During 2013, the Jewish birth rate was just 1.7% and the Christian was 1.6%.”

    I wrote there is a remote chance the Jews might become minorities in their own countries. The numbers still support me and not you.Given enough time, and if trends continue Muslims will eventually outnumber Jews. Moreover, given the earlier population gap favoring Muslims, Jews would have to increase their birth rate even more to compensate for the earlier head start.

    You cannot defend your hypothetical because the numbers are on my side. Maybe the Muslim decline is the beginning of a long term trend favoring Jews or maybe it is a temporary phase. We won’t know until we understand why the birth rate changed and whether immigration patterns will remain stable.

  98. Radio station KFAB interviewed a local Muslim who is angry at the radicals. He said they have subverted the original teachings which were meant to advocate self defense from the violence early Muslims suffered. Muslims let the concept of self defense get out of hand.

  99. “Are you assuming it hasn’t happened in any mosques?”

    Its not.

    For starters, it takes only the slightest catalyst to set any practicing Muslim off on a hate Jew tangent. Kind of hard to discuss ISIS when the focus is on Jews.

    I lived in Dearborn. Went to college in Dearborn. I’ve known hundreds of Muslims. Many, personally. I’ve never met one, not one, who didn’t express hatred for Jews in the most vile of ways. Not one!

    Secondly, it takes two minutes of discussion for practicing Muslims to start making excuses for radical Islam.

    Bush’s fault. Conspiracy shit, America’s fault. We deserve it. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    Find me a staunch Muslim and at the very least his core values are completely at odds with America and the West. And that’s a fact Jack!

  100. I’m familiar with the drill when you don’t have a good answer.

    Answer to what? You asked me how I was defending Huck. The exchange answers your question. Is there some other question I missed?

  101. I asked WHAT you are defending? If the answer is “Huck,” forget it and move on like I said. It gets really tired.

    If you know something about prayer groups for Christians or Muslims (for some reason my observations don’t count — but there’s plenty if you bother to Google which you never do), let’s hear it.

    Now how’s you Citizens Untied analysis going?

  102. You know Rutherford, this is like déjà vu with your throw down challenge on southern churches and slavery. Challenge accepted, answer provided, and you go silent. Tex must be clairvoyant. You ignored his challenge. Who’d have guessed it.

  103. Rutherford, a video I posted a few weeks ago amused you. She was ridiculing the Finish language.

    Here is the rest of the story. Sara Forsberg made another video which attracted over a million and a half hits in a week and a half. She mimicked over 20 languages with nonsense words. The video earned her an appearance on Ellen.

    She also signed a record contract in LA.

    “Holding out for a Hero”. is getting old If we hold out much longer, there won’t be much to save.

    You owe us penance for voting this men and his henchmen into office twice. Thus, I am cluttering your blog with another video.

  104. If you know something about prayer groups for Christians or Muslims (for some reason my observations don’t count — but there’s plenty if you bother to Google which you never do), let’s hear it.

    I know the American people. They are some dumbass short attention span people. You think it was hard for Leno to find idiots for his man on the street interviews? The average American can’t spell Coptic Christian. For that reason alone I very safely wager there ain’t a huge chorus of prayer going on regarding the beheadings of the Coptics.

    Now how’s you Citizens Untied analysis going?

    Funny you should ask. I’ve gleaned 3 fundamentals.

    1) CU had to do with spending money on communications, not campaign contributions. (I’m not alone in getting this wrong. Common misunderstanding).

    2) Does more money buy more “free speech” and therefore allow the voices of the rich to drown out the voices of the not rich?

    3) Is CU the beginning of a slippery slope toward allowing the wealthy to wield disproportionate political influence and power?

  105. @ Huck – are you addressing me or Rutherford with the “awfully presumptuous” drill about what Christians know or care about?

    LOL Old Muffy can’t fathom that someone here besides me might disagree with her.

    Muffy I’m still waiting to find out why you think I’m cool with beheadings and mass immolations.

  106. Speaking of mass immolations, I can see why Pools sometimes shakes his head. The ISIL terrorism is becoming almost cartoonish. 45 folks burned alive on video? It just gets more and more outrageous.

  107. Oh if only the denizens of the Bar and Grill worked for the State Department! You all predicted ISIL?

    An holistic view goes all the way back to the artificial lines drawn to create these “countries” in the first place.

    America’s intervention in Arab countries has been one mistake after another going back a good 100 years.

    Obama has opted for the losing side of a lose/lose choice. The overriding philosophy has been to let the Arabs fight their own fight and not distract by introducing western hate into the mix.

    I think it was James who said Israel joining the fight would be a distraction. The same goes for us.

    If we go in there then we stay there for decades.

    President Rabbit would sign us up for permanent occupation of Iraq, Libya, Jordan, Egypt Yemen and Iran and Afghanistan. Good luck with that.

  108. Yes, Rutherford,
    We told you so. We may not have predicted ISIS specifically, but projecting general events was child’s play for us. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of history and human nature knew a disaster was at hand. And, yes, we told you so.

    You are right, if all of the denizens of the the bar and grill, even you, had been working for the State Department the outcome would have been better.

    Yes, our intervention has been one mistake after another for over a century, and that includes mistakes by Europeans and Middle Easterners. We can’t fix the past. All we have is the present, and it is what we must cope with.

    Yes, I wrote Israel would be a distraction, and so would we, but there is a difference. The United States is the only nation willing and able to destroy this enemy. We in concert with our allies can, if we are determined, destroy ISIS, take and hold ground.

    I think your decades estimate is optimistic. I think we might be occupying the region for at least 70 or 80 years. President Rabbit would be right to sign us up for the long haul.If we don’t have the will to destroy this scourge it will grow like a cancer for the next century.

    Those people don’t think like us. ISIS is a death cult with a strategy of psychological terror similar to Gengis Khan’s.; It is as effective. They are warriors for the end times..

    Bin Ladin used Al Quiada to create a caliphate he did not expect to see in his lifetime.ISIS is now creating the Islamic state. Their ultimate goal is the appocolypse.

    “I know I know its (ISIS) Obama’s fault. ” Hell Yes, its Obama’s fault.

  109. ISIS is Al Queda.

    Yes….we predicted this.

    I predicted this.

    Many did.

    The instability due to Obama’s foreign policy is staggering. Chilling.

    You are a fool if you think the world right now won’t be Obamas legacy.

  110. Look at Atlantic Magazine’s article “ISIS is ‘very Islamic’ apocalypitic’ and avowedly “genocidal.” “What ISIS really wants.”

  111. They are warriors for the end times … Their ultimate goal is the appocolypse.

    LOL Careful, when Tigre finds out this very sentiment was expressed on MSNBC, you’ll be in big trouble! 🙂

  112. So were you in favor of Mubarek, Kadaffi, and ultimately Hussein staying in power? Cos above all else, that’s why we’re screwed. They kept the lid on the crazies.

    I seem to recall your lectures on our not giving the Iranian uprising enough support. Yeah … that would have been another country overrun by suicidal nutjobs. You know who’s keeping Iraq from going completely under? Iran.

  113. Yeah James I think I saw the Atlantic author on MSNBC. That was his main theme. We don’t really understand ISIL.

    Of course this should make all the Christians on the board sympathetic to these nutjobs. After all, the end of times is part of your belief system too. You know, that Apocolypse where the Jews who don’t convert get left behind? LOL supporters of Israel my ass.

    I’m sorry, I digressed. (James, that rant wasn’t directed at you.)

  114. “I seem to recall your lectures on our not giving the Iranian uprising enough support.”

    False. I backed Obama on that one at that time. Did it numerous times.

    Years later, I might have doubted myself. But it was myself I was calling out.

    Iran was a tough call.

    But issuing bull shit red lines? Dismissing ISIS as javee?

    Dude….giant swaths of Iraq are part of an Jihadist Caliphate….after Obama basically made the 2012 campaign about Al Queda on the run. (Lying at every turn to make this seem the case).

    2008 Obama takes over war on terror.
    2014 The terrorists have their own country and a cult following through out the world.

    No, I don’t think you understand the gravity of the situation nor is it possible for you to cone to terms with this massive failure.

    We told you so. Its all right here.

  115. “After all, the end of times is part of your belief system too. You know, that Apocolypse where the Jews who don’t convert get left behind? LOL supporters of Israel my ass.”

    I can always tell when Rutherford is getting antsy and nervous.

  116. “The average American can’t spell Coptic Christian. For that reason alone I very safely wager there ain’t a huge chorus of prayer going on regarding the beheadings of the Coptics.”

    Cop out.

    The Pope you are so fond of called for prayer and led one. That’s a damn lot of Christians worldwide. It’s sad you falsely assign your own apathy to others and never bothered to look.

    Arguing with deliberate ignorance is a waste of time. Suffice it to say, you made no defense whatsoever. Just intellectually lazy ad hom. We all get it.

  117. Just intellectually lazy ad hom.

    The day I see you use those words with Tex I might respect your opinion.

    You’re the Butthead to his Beavis (or maybe it’s the other way around).

  118. I’m glad a made a minute effort to learn about Citizens. Obviously you haven’t read the opinion. Your questions are answered and I implore you to understand the reason for the limited holding (statutory construction). I want to know why you don’t question your thought leader’s take on the case and Obama’s asinine lectures at the SOTU address.

    Rather than asking imponderables or selectively applied truisms, you ought to wonder why you huffed and puffed all while never understanding the most basic premise of the debate. Have you wondered why the largest PACS are controlled by dems and Unions exercise a powerful force when it comes to political speech? Access to a microphone and a tv camera allows for the largest audience. If that is itself unfair, you might question why Obama spends so much time “unfairly” enlisting celebrities to spread his message particularly when he uses tax funded government resources to do so. But of course, these are just generalities and don’t address the heart of the Citizens ruling.

    So, you get an “F” but can improve it with some extra credit.

  119. Whether or not I attack Tex doesn’t fix your ignorance or dissembling. If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise it’s just. . .

    WHITE NOISE. 😆

  120. “LOL Careful, when Tigre finds out this very sentiment was expressed on MSNBC, you’ll be in big trouble!”

    So you agree?

  121. You worry about understanding Citizens first. Your 2 and 3 are besides the point. But you’re welcomed to answer my questions if you’d like.

  122. Tigre, I haven’t read the Atlantic piece (surprise) but the author seemed credible and unbiased. I would not argue with the notion that these folks are trying to accelerate the apocolypse.

  123. So … more money buys more “free speech” – dangerous and it opens the door to other allowances to organizations as “people”. Clearly these notions, presented in the dissent did not rule the day.

    If Ginsburg dies after 1/20/17 we’ve got a problem Houston (assuming we are under President Jeb Bush).

    But that’s not Ruth’s problem. I fully support her doing the job as long as she’s able.

  124. R, just focus on the opinion. One thing is clear: you don’t understand the role of the Supreme Court in addressing the issues resented. They do not simply decree vague notions of fairness. If you’d like to make the case, that’s fine. But the SCOTUS has a particular role in its analysis and it rests on the Constitution and precedent.

    Serious question. Did you ignore social studies in grade school?

  125. So first your question- it was my least favorite subject.

    Now, I understand the documented role of the Supreme Court but you and I both know when folks don’t like their opinion, they get accused of legislating from the bench.

    Further, if interpreting the constitution were so cut and dry, we wouldn’t have dissenting opinions.

    If I were a betting man, I’d wager you’re more critical of the Courts liberal opinions than their conservative ones, constitution be damned.

  126. By more free speech I mean the ability to produce a film and distribute it to millions vs standing on your porch and talking to a crowd of 50 people with no camera crew present.

  127. The concept of liberal and conservative opinions is conceptually different in the context of jurisprudence. So not necessarily, but either way it’s still besides the point.

    I think the outcome of Citizens was required based on the statutory language invoked.

    Since you misunderstood the scope and holding from the outset, you’d do better by abandoning your predispositions and think through the actual issues first.

  128. “By more free speech I mean the ability to produce a film and distribute it to millions vs standing on your porch and talking to a crowd of 50 people with no camera crew present.”

    So, you mean effectiveness of the messaging as I thought.

    Perhaps Michael Moore should not be permitted more free speech than me? (that’s rhetorical).

  129. Why do I feel like I’m talking with Professor Kingsfield? LOL

    Seriously, I appreciate the perspective. It is better to read and understand these opinions as law and not human interest stories.

    I’m sorry I didn’t go to law school. Would have forced me to focus my mind better.

    In college, I took one law class and was chided by Professor Goldfarb for being too tough on Felix Frankfurter. 🙂

  130. “Further, if interpreting the constitution were so cut and dry, we wouldn’t have dissenting opinions.”

    I never said it was cut and dried. Quite the opposite. It’s why you need to address the actual issues and not manufactured ones.

  131. Well, as you know Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 played a role in CU. I may misremember what I read but I believe one argument was “why can Moore put out his movie on the eve of Bush’s reelection but we can’t put out “Hillary” during her campaign?”

  132. R, I don’t mean to whip saw. I have an unfair advantage in debating these things. I know that and it doesn’t mean I’m right. But not understanding the issues before speaking to them is truly pointless. It’s why the discussion of the ACA challenge was so aggravating. Roberts fucked that one up big time and saying you think he got it right without knowing why he did or didn’t is just cheerleading.

  133. Well, Roberts will have an opportunity to “redeem” himself soon. Shame to see ACA fall on the wording of one sentence.

    ACA and gay marriage. There will be a lot of SCOTUS talk this year.

    There’s an entire blog devoted to discussing SCOTUS decisions in laymen’s language. I don’t remember the name of it. LOL Might be the SCOTUS BLOG. I should read it. Might expand my view.

  134. You know, a TX district court enjoined Obama’s immigration policy advanced through executive order. I understand the opinion is lengthy, well-written and reasoned. I want to find the time to read it. My belief is that Obama’s pronouncement that he has the legal authority to do what he did is flat wrong and totally disingenuous. But I haven’t read the analysis not has it been fully disclosed. It’s important stuff and ought to be interesting under any circumstance.

  135. Well maybe it’s a refutation of the King Obama myth that he didn’t tell the federal court “fuck you”. He’s obeying and appealing. Maybe O does know that he’s not above the law?

  136. Now if only Boehner had waited for that TX opinion before playing the child and inviting Bibi behind the presidents back.

    You know they say the invitation was payback for Obama’s EO.

  137. “Well maybe it’s a refutation of the King Obama myth that he didn’t tell the federal court “fuck you”. He’s obeying and appealing. Maybe O does know that he’s not above the law?”

    I don’t follow. It’s not like he can just “fuck you” a court ruling. Without appealing the ruling stays in place and the agencies are not free to ignore it. If it weren’t for his belief in an imperial presidency (and yours as well) it wouldn’t be in the courts at all. It’s for congress to debate.

    This is that problem with having slept through your social studies classes. You ought to be appalled at the overreach and its motivations — which are entirely about creating new voters at he expense of all else. Instead you’re unaffected, unconcerned with the precedent, and care nothing about the practical consequences.

    I wonder if Axelrod’s exposing Obama’s lies about gay marriage to win an election trouble you at all.

    Not really, I know you don’t. You’re so invested in the guy you don’t care that he lies. The ends always justify the means.

    BiBi’s visit ain’t shit. Boehner’s a pussy and as Obama appears more and more feckless and incompetent in foreign affairs look for the usual tactic: stir domestic racial/social divisions.

  138. Rutherford, you asked some good questions. I don’t have time to look at the actual comment because I feel well enough to spend the day in Omaha with out grand daughter and my wife.

    Should we have left the dictators in place? Yes and yes as I wrote here or someplace else at the time. Blackmail, threats and blandishments would have influenced their governments without destroying the power structure. That in itself demonstrates the bar and grill’s superiority to the clowns running our State department.

    Iran was different. Polls during the Iraq war showed Iranians to be more pro Bush and pro West than even some American surveys, I think. Part, but not all of that was because we were fighting Iran’s enemy. Iran already has a repressive theocracy. The protesters were not trying to install the Muslim Brotherhood or any organization Obama likes. They wanted more freedom and fair elections. Very roughly speaking their revolution was closer to the Ukrainian protest movement than to the Syrian or Egyptian rebels. Iranians are not Arabs.

    That is one reason I think Obama didn’t support their protest. They weren’t Muslim enough.I may be unfair and I am not entirely serious, but the record supports me. Obama has an affinity for Muslims, and his chosen branch of Christianity is an extreme version of White and America hating venem..You may be right that he is an atheist. Another reason Obama didn’t support them may have been his naive notion that if we were nice to the Iranians they would stop trying to build nuclear weapons.

    The Kurds are some of the region’s most effective fighters against ISIS. Why isn’t our regime helping them with more weaponry than it is? IS if for the same reason we have been niggardly toward Ukraine?

    Christians are often wishy washy. Most don’t believe the Bible is inerrant. Many hardly know all of the doctrine. The end times are different for Christians than for Muslims. They will be more observers than participants They certainly aren’t enjoined to kill their enemies on the big day, nor are they trying to influence the time table by killing Jews or gentiles. A major prophetic sign is Israel which means that the end is near. The end has been near since Israel was founded.Some Christians also believe the Rapture will snatch up chosen believers on a special day. Again, no violence is implied or preached.

    Our Judeao-Christian culture, while deficient in many areas is superior to the Muslim faith when freedom, economic and social progress are considered. Obama and the liberals don’t want to recognize this fact.

  139. Radio station KFAB said Obama himself has said he doesn’t have the constitutional authority to over ride Congress with an amnesty executive order. A guest said some of the judge’s wording makes reference to earlier Obama statements. I don’t know if that is true or not.

    Obama may know he isn’t above the law, but he wants to be.

    “More effective messaging with pooled resources.” is an old tradition. Labor unions, teachers, farmers and even movie actors do it. Many lobbyists represent average Americans who join organizations to make their arguments more forceable and noticeable.

  140. Obama: “No religion is responsible for terrorism,” he said. “People are responsible for violence and terrorism.”

    Response from Rudy Giuliani:
    “I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America.” The former mayor of New York City added, “He doesn’t love you. And he doesn’t love me. He wasn’t brought up the way you were brought up and I was brought up through love of this country.”

    I’m throwing the above statements out to Rutherford’s bar and grill. What is your hypothesis?

    Rutherford, I find your post interesting in that you recognize Romney was misaligned in the election. However due to the social media that exists today, someone like Romney will never be elected POTUS.

    Obama is not or ever has been a “juror” in that as he has shown in his second term it is “his way or the highway”. A juror indicates one of twelve.

    My biggest fear for our future is that the Obamas’ of this world will be our future POTUS’.

  141. “Obama has an affinity for Muslims, and his chosen branch of Christianity is an extreme version of White and America hating venem..You may be right that he is an atheist.”

    I truly believe that Obama is Muslim or so closely aligned through his relationships there’s no distinction in terms of sympathies and loyalties. I know this will make Rutherford’s eyes bug out, but given Obama’s shameless propensity to lie about deeply held beliefs, what comes out of his mouth is worthless. His actions speak loudly.

  142. “Labor unions, teachers, farmers and even movie actors do it. Many lobbyists represent average Americans who join organizations to make their arguments more forceable and noticeable.”

    You mean “more free speech?” 😆

    Rutherford’s comments completely miss the concept of the First Amendment and free speech. Regulating /leveling the volume of the speech (particularly when based on content and more particularly when it is political speech) is itself an infringement on “free speech.”

    Obama was a total ass for his STOU rant. It’s hard to believe that he is considered a “constitutional scholar” when his positions and commentary so clearly prove he is not. BTW, his guest lectures were more in the nature of racial social policy/theory than constitutional law. I consider him a total phony.

  143. Giuliani’s right. Obama views America as deeply flawed and unjust. He deems himself the force to correct this. He, after all, is what he has been waiting for.

    I saw blurb from Krauthammer concerning the president’s address at the White House’s violent extremism summit [:lol: what a joke]:

    “[Y]ou would think that we are responding to the execution, the beheading of 21 Muslims on behalf of 21 extreme Christians somewhere in the world.”

    “[President Obama] sounds like a community organizer talking about outreach to communities. If you listen to the president today, and his emphasis on Islamic grievances, on reaching out, on making Muslims feel comfortable and not excluded, you would think that we are responding to the execution, the beheading of 21 Muslims on behalf of 21 extreme Christians somewhere in the world. It is so divorced from reality, as if the problem is the lack of understanding of the Muslim grievances, particularly in the Middle East. We talk about root causes as if that’s going to make any difference whatsoever. There are rich people in ISIS, there are poor, there are educated, there [are] uneducated. The idea that if somehow you can attack — you can eradicate poverty, which, in and of itself is an absurdity, it’s going to make any difference is sort of a fantasy, and it’s a way to avoid the issue, as is the president’s language. He said I don’t want to legitimize these people by using the word ‘Islamist.’ It’s as if you refused to call Nazis ‘Nazis,’ because they were not authentic Socialists and they had a perverted idea of nationalism. You simply have to say, of course they are a branch of Islam, a very important one, they are all over the world, and unless you address the Islamic roots of it, you will get absolutely nowhere in trying to stop the recruiting and to stop their advances.”

    Krauthammer is right too.

  144. Raji, you’re right. The premise is flawed. Obama is not a juror; he is a race advocate. Very un-presidential and so far always wrong.

  145. “I do not believe, and I know this is a horrible thing to say, but I do not believe that the president loves America.” Rudy

    So true.

    There are now about 4 of us at work who are veterans. All of them war vets but me. Two of them recipients of purple hearts. All of them Democrats except me. One of the guys can’t believe that ISIS now lives in his old ” room”, as is barracks are now in the hands of the jihadists.

    They can’t believe how much Obama has hurt this country. I’m the angry one. They are severely depressed about it (I think a couple voted for Obama).

    On a separate note, one of my brothers called me, technically a war veteran himself (although he would never call himself that) absolutely exasperated with the harm Obama is doing to America.

    Like Tigre says, you would think Christians are slaughtering Muslims.

    Another unfortunate upshot of Obama’s treason (I really do think its close to treason at this point) are people like Rutherford: Ignorant, sheltered and insololated, they do not have the capacity to graps just how bad things are right now.

    It’s no coincidence that Rutherford feels a slight connection to Poolman of all people when he learns of the high production slaughter shows put on by ISIS.

  146. James read the article on ISIS. Pretty good piece.

    They now have a country the size of the UK.

    We need to destroy them .

    They are “the base”. They are Al Queda.

    Like any social entity, they never stay static. OBL never thought he’d see a Caliphate because even he, in his wildest imagination, couldn’t imagine Obama’s power vacuum.

    So…this new Al Queda, is the populist version.

    Obama started his presidency smack dab on the middle east apologizing to the rank and file of Islamic World. I guess we can’t be surprised when a percentage of these rank and file stink beards storm out and swell Al Queda.

    Al Queda in Iraq was always meaner and more radical.

    Thanks to Obama blunders, cowardice or treason, they took over.

  147. I am leaving for Omaha
    now. As I feel better I realize just how sick I was this

    week. Oddly, I didn’t feel alone. It was as if someone or something was here with me.

    This is the song that played on the radio the morning I watched the flood take our farm and a neighbor’s house. I stayed to take pictures and had to drive through water to escape. A couple of entire towns had evacuated and most of our neighbors were gone. We were alone, and it felt like the end of the world.

    I am having the same feeling now, but if there is any providence, it will be the end of Obama and the progressive’s world, not ours.

  148. “Muffy I’m still waiting to find out why you think I’m cool with beheadings and mass immolations.”

    I didn’t quite put it that way but to answer your question I suppose it’s because the particulars don’t fit your worldview.

  149. ” The colonizer “”…yet he’s set on robbing this land/his greed is a bottomless need fueled by a wish to destroy.”

    “Why are you so political?” ” I am the one with a microphone and we’re silenced everywhere else, so I figure ,now its my time to tell people my side. If they don’t like it I don’t care.”

    Sami singer Sofia Jannok would right in here.

  150. We subscribe to Atlantic Magazine, rabbit. It came in the mail today while I was in Omaha. Everyone, especially Obama, should read it.

  151. Raji, Giuliani is a first class ass. Don’t believe me? Just go back to 2008 when he predicated his entire run for president on winning the Florida primary. He’s a fool.

    During 9/11 he stayed visible and didn’t say anything too stupid. That made him “America’s Mayor”. Pffft.

  152. Raji, as for my hypothesis, as I’ve said before, Obama is an atheist who errs on the side of religious “tolerance” for the minority religions of this country. As a black man, he also errs on the side of defending minorities in general.

    I’ve grown tired of the WH rhetorical strategy but that is only because hearing “radical Islamist” is cathartic. Otherwise it doesn’t really matter. We all know what we are dealing with.

    If it were truly a war against the religion of Islam, then we should be systematically destroying every mosque all over the globe.

  153. Obama is not or ever has been a “juror” in that as he has shown in his second term it is “his way or the highway”. A juror indicates one of twelve.

    Very clever take on my word “juror”. 🙂

  154. @ Rutherford I find myself at odds with most of the commentary from the patrons on this one.
    Nothing lives in a vacuum yet it is safe to say that not everything that looks related is. I also think something can be said along the lines of,we don’t have all the information about exactly all that is going on.
    Mmmm,what?
    ISIL is fulfilling a destiny created by politicians and policies from long before Obama entered the Oval. It’s genesis and growth benefitted from many things including the Shiite/Sunni issues in Iraq. Times when people focused on the “Sunni Awakening” with a focus on protecting US assets and at least allegedly stabilizing the federal nature of the Baghdad government we weren’t admitting to seeing the potentials of how the divide was actually being galvanized as opposed to salved.
    A lot of talk has filled the room about the State Dept. comment, and Islam as the root cause/issue. Hipster Girl is actually not alone in her “analysis”. The people that accept poverty & social ills defining ghetto behavior elsewhere on the globe are pretty vacant when in the M.E. it is just the religion that is a root issue.That comes off a little weird to me.
    As for Islam being root cause I’d ask whether people would stipulate that if it is the root ill is it also the root cure. The Peshmerga,Jordanians,Iranians and now the Turks are all Muslims and very much vested in confronting ISIL. The ink is drying today on an agreement between Ankara and D.C. that will see the US and Turkey train and arm Syrian rebels. The US has a publicly declared focus that these forces will fight ISIL,the Turks are quite adamant they will also fight Assads forces. Either way you have a bunch of folks who go to their knees after hearing the muezzin engaging in combat against each other.
    I think Obama has been very ham fisted in this all and that his latest was out of bounds. Still I think there is something to be said that there is evidence enough to conjecture that there are bigger things afoot here. Specifically in the area of Turkey and Iran.

  155. James, you do raise an interesting point when you note that many organizations give voice to the voiceless, thereby providing them the free speech that they cannot buy.

    Tigre, question, if leveling the volume of speech bothers you, what’s your opinion of equal time laws on broadcast TV that require each party to get equal time on TV?

  156. unless you address the Islamic roots of it, you will get absolutely nowhere in trying to stop the recruiting and to stop their advances.

    I would need to ask Krauthammer what he means.

    I don’t recall any great need to understand the “beliefs” of the Manson family. We needed to wipe them out. I don’t recall any deep dive on the philosophy of the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) when we went after them or Jim Jones or any other political/religious zealots.

    Seriously, ISIL is a group of sadistic sick fucks. We don’t need to understand them. We don’t need to “correctly label” them. We need to kill them.

  157. Not for the government to control — so long as no government/beruarcratic barriers to access WITH REVIEWABILITY OF DECISIONS AND CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT (unlike the unchecked regulatory controls resulting from the EPA Co2 endangerment finding).

    Leveling requires quieting or amplifying speech. Controlling the impact of the message is tantamount to controlling the message (First Amend.).

  158. While I appreciate Raji’s 1 of 12 interpretation, I simply meant one who declares innocence or guilt, which is what a juror does. In that sense I didn’t misuse the term.

  159. Somebody finally “touches” on the truth. I will have to look for Krauthammer’s article. Thinking alike, obviously. Well written, however it did not go far enough in my opinion so I left my comment copied here. You’re wrong, Rutherford. To combat the enemy, you desperately need to understand what motivates the recruitment – hence me copying my comment about the article. You won’t like it because it is not for the politically correct. No matter.

    The Hate Whose Name They Dare Not Speak

    Excellent summation. But there is an even deeper point that needs to be made and one that far too few either realize, or are afraid to admit to for fear of being called a bigot or various category of ‘phobe.’ Something that cannot be published in a paper without considerable blow back, or deemed as acceptable dialogue by politician playing peace broker.

    Barack Obama is a useful idiot for the Islamic cause, and I don’t believe it out of malice as much as profound theological ignorance from a pathetic excuse for President, malignant narcissist and even weaker man. And though unlike Barack Obama I found George Bush a patriot, Bush was also culpable in playing loose with the truth for political expediency.

    The root problem of Islam is not Al Qaeda or ISIL – that is the predictable end result. The root problem of Islam is its founding roots – its basic tenets and principles. For any real student of comparative religion, one that they don’t want to teach at most American universities as it not palatable, it is all too obvious that the Koran is a inferior stab at the amalgamation of a Torah without mercy, accompanied by both a cheap copy of Christian messianic and apostolic theology to fit the objective.

    The Muslim founder 1,400 years ago wasn’t seeking to make brothers of Christians and Jews. Muhammad was attempting to create converts to inspire spiritual warfare facilitated through physical warfare with the descendants of Isaac. That’s why these messages from the Imams and Mullahs truth be told are first and foremost to foment hate directed at Jew, then Christian. To a true believer of Islam, this is a battle of spiritual warfare with Allah’s real enemies – and dominance is the only acceptable result in submission to Allah.

    Our politicians and theologians can attempt to spin Islam as a religion of peace in the feeble attempt to appease. But with the real believers of Muhammad, appeasement is never going to work and in fact inspires more converts, only postponing the inevitable. War is coming to the West. In the eyes of the true believer of Islam, we are the infidels, first Jew and Christian, then the unbelievers. ~ Tex Taylor

  160. ”I don’t recall any great need to understand the “beliefs” of the Manson family. We needed to wipe them out. I don’t recall any deep dive on the philosophy of the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) when we went after them or Jim Jones or any other political/religious zealots.

    Seriously, ISIL is a group of sadistic sick fucks. We don’t need to understand them. We don’t need to “correctly label” them. We need to kill them.”

    This remark consists of 3 false equivalences followed by a false choice. There’s nothing else there. Moreover, the pushback campaign to the press for an agreeable terminology for the enemy sounds like a Shakespearean “methinks” moment to me.

    Which political ideology or religion did the Manson family take to the extreme? Manson was/is insane, and a cult leader. His followers followed him. He didn’t preach any organized religious doctrine – literal, extreme, or otherwise. He believed the Beatles prophets and their prophecy revealed only to him consisted of a race war in which “blackie” would emerge victorious but prove to too stupid to run things. Then Manson and his followers would come in from the dessert and in the power vacuum, in the disorder and chaos, they would assume the mantle of leadership. Manson was contained, captured fairly quickly, tried, and but for California abolishing the death penalty early on in his incarceration – he would be dead along with the followers who had gotten actual blood on their own hands. So, to the extent that the leader of the Manson cult was mentally ill and his followers mentally under his spell – a psychological understanding of him AND them was in fact accepted as a challenge.

    Similarly, Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple was a cult with a clear messianic leader. Jones too was mentally ill, his condition aggravated by drug abuse. Isolation and concealment key to the survival of the group. To sum up, there are as many and more differences that connote a disconnect between the groups as opposed to tentacles suggesting a common bond. I’m fuzzier on the SLA though I once knew a little. Enough to win a game of Trivial Pursuit (that was, in truth, the last question) but that’s about it. In any case with the aforementioned misses by a long shot I suspect you don’t either, Rutherford.

    Ultimately the fight to stop them did not necessitate even small scale war. Radical Islam is as you say “a group of sadistic fucks.” You may think we don’t need to understand or identify them – others with a wider world view disagree. No doubt some people at least agree with you. But to begin and end your remarks with “we need to wipe them out” and “we need to kill them” suggests that there is an alternate viewpoint to that end being pushed. And I don’t know of any such thing.

    We may not, in your opinion, need to do more than kill the individuals that are caught holding the knives or the matches. You’re entitled to disagree with Krauthammer or anyone else. But no one is advocating understanding or identifying the enemy in lieu of killing them. Except perhaps for the idiot spokespeople flubbing the messaging at the microphone.

  161. Muffy….

    Well said.

    Rutherford doesn’t care about his lack of logic, though. You should probably not waste your time on him. Dude is burnt. An Obama apologist that throws mud against the wall with the false hope it sticks.

    I don’t spell check anymore here. Type on my phone and blindly push post.

  162. Thx rabbit. Frozen pipes and shoveling. Best defense for condo living I can think of at the moment. And indoor heated garage. Yessss!

    I haven’t had to wear long silkies for a few years but this cold is brutal. I have to go out though so if you don’t hear from me again I died in it. I’m not James you know.

    The NR article is as you say, Tigre. Clear and to the point. And short. I didn’t make it all the way through the Atlantic one, I’m sorry to say. I have it bookmarked with the best of intentions though.

  163. That was well-said, Muffy.

    I hate to admit that I didn’t get Rutherford’s direction until I read your response. I thought he was just trying to play tough talkin’ bad ass.

  164. For those of you with enough sense to stay away from it, I would like to report that MSNBC this morning was deliciously craptastic. They were frothing over Giuliani’s comments about Obama. Frothing. HOW DARE HE? Obama the Messiah doesn’t love America? That’s just Raaaacist!

    The wonderful part is know that the reaction is because it’s true. The vain sissy boy Donny Douche with the $500 haircut was red faced and apoplectic. I truly love this shit.

    So here comes the usual Obama dick-sucking liberal media routine. They will challenge/demand other conservative politicians to adopt or refute the statement they didn’t make to spread their rage. Of course the response doesn’t matter. Hell, no immediate condemnation by anyone they can name made them guilty of Obama blaspheme too. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    God these people play to morons.

  165. I wonder if Rutherford the tireless apologist gets the irony of his “no need to understand them” bit.

    Kidding. Of course he doesn’t.

  166. “So your pipes weren’t insololated?”

    Tuco stares with a serious grin. Then, breaking the tension in the room, starts laughing hysterically.

    Well played.

  167. It’s a miner point but supportive nonetheless that we didn’t “wipe out” the Manson family or the Peoples Temple either. It wasn’t necessary.

    If we don’t understand them then we don’t understand why killing Bin Laden didn’t end things there.

  168. I had “Citizens Untied” above. I decided I liked it and hoped someone thought I was clever rather than one more uncorrected typo for the pile.

  169. That wailing and gnashing of Libbie teeth is that the Rudy thermobaric bomb hit awfully close to the Throne of The One. 🙂 It fact, so close those busy wiping the sweat off Obama’s MSNBC balls find their collective asses on fire once they realized half the country agreed with Rudy.

    If Obama loves America so, why did Massa Obama felt like it needed radical transformation – which Obama has by the way? D’Sousa was and is right. Obama is clearly an anti-Colonialist like his daddy, a little commie like his greasy mother, a Muzzie Sympathizer like his spiritual adviser Rev. Jeremiah. Oh, it was none other than Obama himself who called Bush unpatriotic for adding (at the time) $4 trillion to the deficit – Obama’s words; not mine.

    Obama has created more poor people and and widened the income gap more effectively than any other President. He doubled down on the unpatriotic debt, now approaching $8 trillion on his watch alone.

    Oh, and kudos to Obama and Hillary for resetting Russia.

    To the USSR.

    Fuck ‘um if the skanks and worms don’t like the truth. It’s needs to be frequented more often about this petulant, thin skinned juvenile for President and his equally despicable skunk for a bed mate, when Bibama is not bedding down with Reggie.

  170. Let me tell you something. For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.

  171. This remark consists of 3 false equivalences followed by a false choice.

    First Muffy I appreciate the lengthy comment. Beats the crap out of your usual 3 line snark.

    Re Manson, Jim Jones, etal, you repeatedly used the word insane.

    You don’t think ISIL is a band of insane men and women? They are nuttier than a fruitcake. And this is one reason among several why there is resistance in some quarters to call them Islamic.

    Putting aside belief in the supernatural, there is general agreement that followers of the five or six major religions are not insane. No one sane burns 45 people alive.

    When we emphasize the connection of AQ, ISIL, BokoHaram and others to Islam, we end up with the following conclusion:

    Christianity sane
    Judaism sane
    Buddhism sane
    Hinduism sane
    Islam insane

    Tex and people like him would like to settle on that conclusion. I find that troubling. I suspect you don’t.

  172. God these people play to morons.

    I think root cause analysis would lead you back to moron #1 Rudy. Surely you agree that “it’s horrible to say this but …” probably prefaces a sentence you shouldn’t say.

    “The President doesn’t love America. He doesn’t love you and he doesn’t love me,”. Sounds like Rabbit.

    And what does it mean to love America? You and most here claim to despise liberals. Do you know how much of America that is?

    Obama loves himself. It’s not about you or Rabbit or America. It’s about him.

    And frankly I don’t need the POTUS to “love” America. That’s high school. I need him first and foremost to keep me safe and guess what folks? No 9/11 on his watch yet.

  173. If we don’t understand them then we don’t understand why killing Bin Laden didn’t end things there.

    Killing bin Laden had symbolic value. Just like Hitlers assumed suicide did not end ant-semitism but certainly was greatly satisfying to those who denounce evil.

    No one with half a brain thought bin Laden’s death was the end of religious extremism. On the contrary I think many of us realized post-mortem that Osama wasn’t even running the show anymore.

    And yes I was a big cheerleader when O announced the take down but I didn’t think that meant the “war” was over.

  174. Obama is clearly an anti-Colonialist like his daddy.

    So are you and every American, doofus. Does the American Revolution ring a bell?

    It is our very origin that makes our occupation of other countries so hypocritical.

  175. No 9/11 on his watch yet.

    True, but only a few were killed in the 1st World Trade Center Bombings too – the plan for 9/11 set long before Bush came to the Presidency.

    I wonder. If ISIS shows up on our shores 30 days after Obama’s left the position, or should Iran God forbid sell fissile material that ends up in Chicago unannounced, will you excuse the negligence like you have Bill Clinton?

    So are you and every American, doofus. Does the American Revolution ring a bell?

    Let me get this straight. Britain got rich by looting America during the Revolution, and British plutocrats and their corporate elites continue to exploit America now? Really? The things I learn here. Kind of like blacks can’t be racist because they have no power – I wonder what Reginald Denny and Darren Wilson would have thought of that decree.

    Your history is utterly amazing.

  176. Mr. Rahe pulled his nuts out of the fire when he acknowledged whites ain’t doing too well nowadays either.

    He has two main problems typical of conservatives. He has ZERO solutions. And he self righteously assumes some people (blacks) enjoy dependency. The welfare state makes it attractive to have a broken family. Really? There is something in the black woman that makes her happy when her man runs out on her?

    “Oooo I’m glad Jimmy ran out on me so now I can collect welfare.”

    What utter nonsense.

    Americans, as a people, have failed to figure out a way to make this great democracy work for all of us. Each and everyone of us bears some responsibility for society’s failures. We can do better but I’m not sure we have the will to do so.

  177. Let me get this straight. Britain got rich by looting America during the Revolution, and British plutocrats and their corporate elites continue to exploit America now?

    Huh? What are you talking about? Your forefathers got tired of British exploitation (otherwise known as colonialism where we were the colonies) and we said fuck you. If it weren’t for our aversion to colonialism you would still be a British subject.

    Agreeing with D’Souza is what dumb people do to feel smart.

  178. Red State has an article about the left’s anger that the Right has noticed the ambivalence Obama and the left feels about the United States. One of the commenters noted as I have done that in 2008 Sarah Palin told a West Virginia audience it was great to be with real Americans. She was right then, though most of us didn’t understand.

    I am watching the Saturday Night Live fortieth anniversary special. One of the performers is Sarah Palin.

  179. Pakistan, at least loosely speaking is a nominal pretend ally. Iran is an avowed enemy which supports terrorists and has advocated bombing Israel out of existence.

    The American Revolution and colonists’ relationship with the mother country was move complex than you advertised. We wouldn’t still be Brits by now. We would have been part of the Commonwealth as Australia, Canada, and other countries are. The royals would have visited us more often than they do.

    The Revolution was part of a larger war. Were it not for the Germans, Poles, and especially the French we would have been like Canada. Our revolution indirectly led to the French Revolution.

    One of the main contributers to our freedom was Ben Franklin. He was an international star after his electricity experiments and his other achievements. Franklin was also a hit with the ladies and used them to influence their husbands.

    Old Ben also frequented the Hell Fire Club which featured all sorts of perverted and licentious acts.

  180. Sarah Palin certainly gets around doesn’t she? Loren Micheals and Tina Fey said she had enough talent to carry a show by herself. Imagine how different history would have been had she become one of the SNL cast ?

  181. If G is out there, why in Gods name would we announce an offensive in Mosul six weeks in advance?

    I just don’t understand how we wage war anymore. The enemy creates slick snuff films and we talk openly about how we will stop them with no element of surprise.

    I don’t get it.

  182. Me either. Ted Striker gave away his squadron’s mission secret with ‘we attack the storage depots at Diaquin.” Are we in a new version of Air Plane?

  183. ”Re Manson, Jim Jones, etal, you repeatedly used the word insane.”

    I debated doing that for the very reason the argument then becomes that of everyone who commits unspeakable acts against humanity is similarly afflicted, it’s only a matter of degrees.

    ”You don’t think ISIL is a band of insane men and women? They are nuttier than a fruitcake. And this is one reason among several why there is resistance in some quarters to call them Islamic. ”

    No I do not. That’s too easy. It’s intellectually lazy. It’s a bit cowardly. And I think it’s untrue.

    I also get “why there is resistance in some quarters to call them Islamic,” so you don’t need to convince me that there are reasons for the resistance. It’s not that I don’t understand the reasons. I reject them. So far.

    You think it would be easy to divorce radical Islam from Islam if it was so clearly the case, but it seems to require suspending acknowledgement of its uniqueness in that regard.

    ”No one with half a brain thought bin Laden’s death was the end of religious extremism.”

    I said, “If we don’t understand them then we don’t understand why killing Bin Laden didn’t end things there.” I get that you understand THAT his death was largely symbolic more so than strategic.

    Why is hard.

    In any case I’m not insisting that we understand the enemy in order to defeat them. I was arguing that you presented understanding as a false choice.

  184. In the case of ‘Islamic State’ there is a marked contrast between the emotions necessary to commit the atrocities for which they are known and the emotions necessary to create those staged videos of the deaths of their captives.

    Islamic State is a swirling vortex of disgust, contempt, anger and hate which cuts a swath wherever it goes. What connects these emotions is a negative evaluation of their victims that is driven by the ideology that has captivated these young men and women.

    Anger is typically directed at a person’s actions rather than his or her fundamental characteristics. Hate is typically directed at those whom we believe to possess fundamentally evil qualities. They are hated not because of what they have done but for who they are. We want those we are angry with to suffer because they have hurt us. We want those we hate to die because their continued existence poses a threat to us and the intrinsic nature of their evil traits makes it impossible change the object of our hatred. To cause such suffering and death these Islamic Statists must be in the grip of anger and hatred and be devoid of compassion for their victims. This vortex of emotions spreads by contagion. Like a forest fire it can leap improbable distances.

    So it is not quite true to say that Islamic violence is ‘senseless’. There is a certain logic to it, albeit of the emotional kind.

    Contrast these ‘hot’ emotions with the cool calculations evident in the series of videos in which captured hostages are seemingly executed, beginning with James Foley (last August), up to the video purporting to show the killing of 21 kidnapped Egyptian Coptic Christians. No anger or hatred here.

    These videos are clearly staged. There is no camera in the crowd capturing a real execution. Victims are arranged for the benefit of the camera, as if on a film set or in a studio. Jihadi John holds a knife in his left hand, not because he is left-handed, but because protagonists are always positioned to the right of a movie screen. Evidence of digital manipulation connecting events at different times in different places abounds. As in a Hollywood movie, there is no ‘where’ or ‘when’ in these Islamic State videos.

    There is a common pattern of events surrounding these videos. First there is the warning, i.e., the appearance of the hostage and a statement of the conditions that must be met for his release. Then a letter from the hostage to his family will be disclosed, or a desperate, pleading letter or video tape from one or both of the hostage’s parents, or we will be told of a rescue attempt that almost succeeded, but didn’t. Almost immediately, it is headline news that the hostage has been executed after all and we are presented with the pained face of a grieving parent or sibling. The sequence of events is cunningly diabolical. Hopes are raised only to be dashed. The emotional knife is twisted bit by bit, ever deeper.

    As in a Hollywood movie, the director’s intent is to stimulate certain emotions in the Western viewing public—to shock, disgust and horrify; above all to use these emotions to elicit a particular course of action from us and our governments. To this end, these IS videos have been remarkably successful.

    Consider: The execution, if that is what it was, of two British and two American hostages is all it took to disarm critics of the return of Anglo-American forces to Iraq (unthinkable but six months ago). The execution of the downed Jordanian pilot, lieutenant Muadh al-Kasasbeh, simultaneously gave renewed intent to Jordan’s air strikes against IS while undermining public support for them. The execution of 21 Egyptians in Libya brought Egypt and Libya into the war against IS. Finally, the realization that IS is on the shores of the Mediterranean has caused panic in Rome.

    Let us note that these are reactions to highly choreographed videos, not to any direct communications from an IS leader or to strategic actions of forces on the ground. In each case our rulers have responded exactly as the director of these IS movies intended. One would hope for a little more emotional intelligence, but Islamic State is running this show.

    Whoever is behind these IS videos, and my views on that are in past posts, they have a good understanding of Western emotions, and they are divorced from the emotions of those acting in the name of this ‘Islamic State’. It is almost as if they were separate groups of people.

    Indeed. Fame and acclaim with sinister smarts. Emmanuel Goldstein to our Big Brother.

  185. “I think root cause analysis would lead you back to moron #1 Rudy. Surely you agree that “it’s horrible to say this but …” probably prefaces a sentence you shouldn’t say.”

    Sorry Rudy was right. Obama believes America should resemble European socialism, as do you.

    Obama believes that we create our enemies. He apologizes to other nations for that and lectures us.

    He himself stated that he wants to transform the country.

    He, as you, dispute American exceptionalism.

    He is what we’ve been waiting for.

    I think should’ve said it’s horrible to see that. . .

    “Obama loves himself. It’s not about you or Rabbit or America. It’s about him.”

    ‘Nuff said. America needs him.

    Sad.

  186. I think Guiliani should’ve said “it’s horrible to see that” to be more precise.

    I am white and conservative. I am the only enemy he is willing to call out.

  187. “There is something in the black woman that makes her happy when her man runs out on her?”

    No. There is something that makes that the norm you dipshit. If it were it were so likely and unpalatable it wouldn’t occur because they wouldn’t be having children our of wedlock at the rates you see. How do you explain the numbers? Chance and unfortunate circumstance that only applies to one segment of society that didn’t exist before the rise of the welfare state?

    I guess they “just found themselves pregnant [and single], right?

  188. “Americans, as a people, have failed to figure out a way to make this great democracy work for all of us. Each and everyone of us bears some responsibility for society’s failures. We can do better but I’m not sure we have the will to do so.”

    Then we should continue and escalate the policies that has led to failure. Which one of your successful social policies should we double down on for more failure?

  189. “I just don’t understand how we wage war anymore. The enemy creates slick snuff films and we talk openly about how we will stop them with no element of surprise.”

    Because everything this administration does is political—EVERYTHING.

    Obama needs to float that message now in order to give the public time to react, and then give himself time to react to the public reaction.

  190. “If G is out there, why in Gods name would we announce an offensive in Mosul six weeks in advance?”

    I am going to go out on limb here and say that it is more important to Obama to announce a strategy to appear as though he has a plan rather than to actually succeed at it. Just a guess. 🙄

  191. “But I’m not hearing the workable effective alternative.”

    You’re not listening. The government needs to stop the social engineering. It IS the problem.

    If dependence is the problem, then the solution is to stop fostering it. Sheesh.

    “We have an unbelievable debt problem, but I haven’t heard a solution for getting rid of it.”

    Uhh, one solution would be to stop incurring more debt.

  192. “Oh could you remind me again why Iran has you crapping your pants when batshit crazy Pakistan has the bomb NOW?”

    This is a logical response to you?

    Iran has stated that it would use the bomb offensively.

    Iran is an avowed enemy of America and Israel.

    What’s the big deal if our enemies have nuclear arms guys? Other countries have nuclear weapons. 🙄

  193. I know folks get pissed when I humor Poolman but serious question:

    Whose blog is this? Let’s put everyone’s fee fees aside for now and focus on your serious question.

    Are killing the hostages AND staging the videos mutually exclusive?

    In theory, no. However, the inconsistency should raise a flag. But are there actually victims, and if so, have we seen actual physical evidence thereof? You understand the difference between hearsay and evidence, right? Serious question.

  194. Oh shit. I see now that I got on my high horse. We mustn’t forget that America used the bomb on Japan. Who are we to judge a nuclear Iran, right Rutherford?

  195. “You understand the difference between hearsay and evidence, right?”

    Isn’t that a question you need to answer first?

  196. Oh shit. I see now that I got on my high horse. We mustn’t forget that America used the bomb on Japan. Who are we to judge a nuclear Iran, right Rutherford?

    LOLOLOLOLOL Tigre is so impatient for my response he argues with himself.

    A coupla thoughts. Pakistan is our ally in the loosest way possible. They don’t like us much more than our declared enemies do. And they’ve got enough nutjobs over there, that if they ever get their hands on the nukes, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. Pakistan should keep you up at night.

    Iran is a sovereign nation. I honestly don’t know where we get off telling them how they can and cannot weaponize themselves. Especially when the country they supposedly want to destroy HAS nukes!

    Kadaffi said ok America, we’ll abandon our nuclear ambitions and we thanked him by helping him get killed and his country get ruined.

    Finally, right now the enemy of our enemy is our friend. It’s Iran giving major support to Iraqi troops to fight ISIL.

  197. We mustn’t forget that America used the bomb on Japan.

    Twice. And no, you can’t trust us to do the right or humane thing.

  198. “Iran has stated that it would use the bomb offensively.”

    Who stated this and what exactly did they say?

    To my knowledge, Iran has never admitted it is seeking to build “the bomb”. It claims the exact opposite. To state it would use it offensively is a tacit admission that it is building it.

    The public position of the Supreme Leader is: ““Iran is not seeking to have the atomic bomb, possession of which is pointless, dangerous and is a great sin from an intellectual and a religious point of view,””

    Has someone who even remotely matters contradicted that?

  199. The public position of the Supreme Leader is: ““Iran is not seeking to have the atomic bomb, possession of which is pointless, dangerous and is a great sin from an intellectual and a religious point of view,””

    And you believe the Supreme Leader, hey? 🙄 The biggest danger I’ve decided in America isn’t Iran with a bomb, the debt, or even a useful idiot and grossly incompetent leader like Barack Obama. It’s the imbeciles still thinking Islam is a religion of peace.

    Good gawd…

  200. “Iran is a sovereign nation. I honestly don’t know where we get off telling them how they can and cannot weaponize themselves. Especially when the country they supposedly want to destroy HAS nukes!”

    And the Harvard grad thinks a Sunni-Shitte nuclear arms race is acceptable.

  201. Talk of our nuking Japan brings flashbacks to my experience with the grannies. Jean and I argued the case, and she strongly opined that dropping the bomb on Japan was immoral and wrong.

    She didn’t know that one grad school assignment had been to write a cabinet position paper and discuss the pros and cons of how to attack Japan and to recommend a prudent course of action. I recommended dropping a demonstration bomb on the harbor and giving the government 24 hours to surrender, after which time, we would incinerate one of their cities. I got an A.

    Jean knew none of this, and I incinerated her arguments. Then, Ragi wrote I was right, and Jean fell silent. It was the beginning of her unsuccessful plan to get me banned. When that didn’t work, they decided to by pass the management and vote me off the site.As an afterthought, they added Pfessor and Craig. Their plan was as stupid and naive as Obama’s foreign and domestic policy. My response filled them with impotent rage just as Obama’s critics do to leftists when they hit a nerve.

    MY adventure is relevant because it illustrates the leftist world view. They are intolerant of any opinions or evidence but their own. Their ideology has blinded them to the threat an unknown segment of the Muslim religion poses to us. Their love of what Obama represents has blinded them to realty and their warped view of events is leading us down a dangerous road.

    A diplomat said on the eve of WW1 something like the lights are going out one by one. We shall not see them again in our time.

  202. @ Rutherford : Actually we kind of do need to understand and properly label ISIL. The level to which they are sick is also open for debate. They clearly would rate on a number of bullet points in the DSM but what they believe and what they preach as it were is what gives the “it is Islam” crowd their ammo. What is constantly being missed is that the Islam thing swings both ways. You will not and can not defeat radical Islam without the majority of Islam helping you. Americans are overly arrogant in their assumptions that our worldview and dictionaries are the one and only way to go.

  203. Th murders and videos are part of the same strategy to make jihadists look invincible and to place fear in the hearts of enemies. Gengis Khan used the same strategy. Today, he would also have been producing videos and using Facebook.

    I agree with Huck about Iran’s admitting they are developing a nuclear bomb, but that doesn’t tell us their true intentions. Russia denies they have invaded Ukaraine, but we all know it is a lie. I could be wrong, but I think I remember an Iranian leader saying if they did have nuclear weapons they should be used to destroy Israel. Israel may have the bomb and if they do, they don’t admit it. IF they do, and Iran makes one and decides to use it, life could get complicated.

    Iran is sovereign and has the right to fulfill its destiny. Her enemies have the same right to stop her if they feel they are in potential danger. Countries pressure other countries to make them alter their plans.Its called diplomacy. Therefore, we have the right to persuade Iran to refrain from making nuclear weapons just as we have the right to discourage Russia from re taking her former satalites..

    Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not dangerous because they like Iran may have plans to use them. Pakistan’s weapons are dangerous because terrorists might be able to steal some in a time of unrest.

  204. Iran is only an avowed enemy of the USA to the extent that Iran is a sovereign nation with a litany of policies that are meant to serve its needs and goals as opposed to those of the USA.
    On a foreign policy,covert/overt operations and economic juggling & meddling kind of thing when Tehran looks in the mirror they see Washington and vice versa…

  205. I agree with alfie. I had planned to write something like it in the next few minutes. One must know one’s enemies and what makes them operate the way they do. Otherwise, if we should destroy ISIS, another organization would replace them. You can either repeatedly cut down the trunk or a tree or you can kill the tree by destroying the roots. We need to know the causes and change them.

  206. @ R re the Mosul tip off…
    As others have said the announcement is politically motivated but actually for the consumption of all parties involved. It is also not the biggest lose lips sinks ships moment. Pretty much everyone with a rooster in the ring knows: 1. The Iraqis are not quite ready for a major operation. 2. Spring temperatures offer a better fighting environment and 3. Poking the bear is not a bad military/political idea at this time.

    It does kind of suck to allow ISIL the time to stoke Sunni resentment which could possibly fortify the city but then again if the city is liberated and the majority of Sunnis experience a positive from the government it would be greatly beneficial to a continued counter op against ISIL.

  207. Of course you know ‘enemies’ is often just political posture. When it comes to business, we know from history political ideology always takes the back seat. Do we need to revisit how many American companies were doing business with Nazi Germany while they were considered the enemy?

    Israel and Iran have had oil deals for decades. For some time Iran has been trying through legal means to collect revenues due and never paid. Of course, Bibi prefers this stuff out of the public since it jeopardizes his anti-Iran meme.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.637649

  208. R…who gets pissed when you engage with Pools? I for one wouldn’t mind seeing a lengthy exchange between you too. Just give us fair warning so I can make sure I have good snacks for it.

    Film conventions are not closely guarded secrets. What has the conspiracy cavalry hoisting red flags all over the internet are docudramas, not necessarily fictional. That which is offered as proof is light on the fact-finding and heavy on the critique. Hardly worthy even of a keynote address at a SciFiCon, much less investigative journalism or critical analysis of film.

    Anyone with a working knowledge of videography at the hobbyist level understands that the production quality of the videos in question is hardly even a B – IF THE MURDERS ARE REAL. In actual fact it’s hardly even a D. Flipping through a DIY video production book, a camera – even a phone capable of taking HD will do just fine, standalones of the Adobe suite of software or similar, and a strong stomach – that’s all you’d need to make a fairly polished and effective recruitment video for ISIS.

    Most importantly, the videos are not clear incontrovertible proof of the murders themselves. But that’s the only approach that the foil hats take.

    On a side note, a new show debuted on Animal Planet this week. You have to laugh at the title –

  209. “[1] What is constantly being missed is that the Islam thing swings both ways. You will not and can not defeat radical Islam without the majority of Islam helping you. [2] Americans are overly arrogant in their assumptions that our worldview and dictionaries are the one and only way to go.”

    [1] “Missed” how?

    [2] “It is Islam” and “it is not Islam” all depends on how you define Islam?

  210. “And you believe the Supreme Leader, hey?”

    Did I say I believed him? I said what his “public position” is. I chose my words deliberately. And, as usual, you chose to interpret rather than read.

    I personally believe Iran does seek a nuclear weapon. And since they are signatories to the NPT (unlike Israel), they are subject to everything that goes along with that, including inspections and scrutiny of their nuclear program.

    But none of that changes that any claim that “Iran has stated that it would use the bomb offensively” is horseshit–and deserves to be called out when uttered. To date, there is not a shred of proof that has been made public that Iran is intending to use its nuclear program for weapons purposes. And Iran certainly has not admitted to such.

    “I remember an Iranian leader saying if they did have nuclear weapons they should be used to destroy Israel. ”

    What you are remembering is is this. But look at the entirety of what he has to say. He does not say Iran will “use the bomb offensively” against Israel. He says they will use it against Israel–or any other country. He goes on to say that Iran wants the bomb as ““insurance” to guarantee its survival.” That suggests defense against invasion, or at the least MAD. “As a matter of fact, the leading way of thinking in Iran is [devoted to] protecting their own security, and nobody else’s,” You don’t protect your own security by attacking nuclear countries with your nukes.

    When was the last time North Korea or Pakistan got invaded? If the countries to the east and to the west of you are being invaded, how difficult is it to see what you need to do if you don’t want to be next?

    ““It is Islam” and “it is not Islam” all depends on how you define Islam?”

    It’s not up to non-Muslims to define Islam. It isn’t even up to Muslims to define it. It’s up to the the individual Muslim to define it only as it relates to him/herself.

    Go back and read the Atlantic article you were all raving about (it is indeed a great article). Deciding who is and isn’t a “real” Muslim is what ISIS does. When Obama or Muslims or anyone else says that ISIS is not Islamic, they are contributing to this ongoing judgement of how others interpret and practice their faith, which is a large part of the problem.

  211. “ongoing judgement of how others interpret and practice their faith, which is a large part of the problem.”

    A large part of the problem is the fact that Muslims are slaughtering people as an expression of their religion.

    So I judge that religion as shit. Obama pretends its not religious at all or that its a common fringe found in all religions. He normalizes this shit.

    The rest of Islam has the worst inferiority complex in world history and just can’t get over the fact their civilization sucks in the modern era.

    Any Muslim who thinks Sharia law is ideal should be dealt with as potential enemy. And…there are millions upon millions of them. Much more then all the Brown Shirts, Black Shirts and Green Shirts combined during the age of Facsism.

    Are there Muslims who don’t believe in Sharia law? Yeah….I argue they are not Muslim but I’m cool with calling them that if it makes them happy.

    What defines a pig and what attributes are necessary for “pighood”?

    Do they disagree over what Sharia should look like. Yeah…it goes from fucking shitty to Mad Max worlds where little boys are crucified. But its all shit.

    Free people of the West should all have crescent moon urnial cakes in every bathroom. Becuase Islam = Sharia Law.

  212. Muffy I don’t know what to tell you. I know you can’t put an ideology up against firing squad wall and think you’ll snuff it. I know the majority of Muslims don’t give a rat’s ass about much outside of their personal spheres. I know you can’t have a dialog with folks that have no interest in listening to you yet hope when you do say something they can use it to their advantage.
    These points speak well to the how things are missed and fits under the umbrella of arrogance.
    Islam is merely a faith,an inanimate object that only lives through the actions of its adherents. It is not unique in its makeup regards how it can be used & abused.
    As Huck alluded to non-Muslims don’t get to credibly define Islam and are unwise to try. Quite honestly the non-Muslim world is better off keeping away from questions of faith and should stay focused on the issues found there instead.

  213. Thanks Huck for finding the quotation and for unintentionally showing that I remembered it correctly. We all know from other statements that Israel would be one of the first countries they would use it against.

    I agree, that from Iran’s view, nuclear weapons are good insurance. They see examples of how countries like North Korea are treated. Nukes give potential enemies pause lest someone uses the bomb. Ukraine probably regrets that we tricked them into relinquishing their nuclear arsenal.
    I agree with more of what Huck wrote than I disagree but it is rubbish. I have written that everything I needed to know I learned during four months in the Air Force. Theory and the real world are different.

    Enemies have legitimate interests just as valid as ours. So did the men who tried to put me away. The difference was their interests were not my interests. Like some Muslims and others who say ISIS is not Muslim, they didn’t consider themselves to be criminals. I was the threat to their freedom. They had a valid complaint and had the right to self preservation. However, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…They were my enemy and I correctly knew knew they were criminals.

    Unfortunately for them, nothing mattered except MY interests and MY destiny. The same principle applies to national affairs. Little matters except the survival of the United States and its allies. Someone wins and someone loses. Brute force in one form or another determines the winner. I don’t care about our enemies cultural and national aspirations any more than I cared about the legitimate concerns of the men who tried to kill me.

    We are acting in a play which began long before the Neanderthals and Cro- Magnons competed for scarce resources. Someone wins and someone loses. Our side may not be the more deserving or it may be. All that matters is our side wins.

  214. An earlier comment that we cannot defeat Islam without the help of part of Islam. We need to understand their motivations and identities to persuade them it is in their interest to join us. Part of the strategy of the Surge was to peel off some factions to our side. It worked too.

  215. Yes Huck. Iran hasn’t threatened Israel. 🙄 In fact, Khamenei claims to have issued a fatwa preventing the development of nuclear weapons. Even you know that’s bullshit. Khamenei is still moving toward acquiring the bomb that Khamenei is alleged to have forbidden which happens to be the very basis for the nuclear discussions with Kerry occurring right now.

    So, the so-called “official position” from Khamenei is no such thing. It is disinformation.

    Brig.- Gen. Gholamreza Jalali, who heads Iran’s Passive Civil Defense Organization and is a former commander of the Revolutionary Guards, said there was “no other option but to destroy Israel.”

    The Iranian state-sponsored celebration of its annihilation policy towards Israel, which occurs on the fourth and last Friday of Ramadan every year. The event is called “Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day,” and involves mass rallies, speeches by Iranian leaders, chants of “Death to Israel,” and placards bearing the same intent.

    Death to Israel. Israel must be annihilated, wiped form the map, destroyed etc. etc. etc.. . . but Khamenei said they’re not pursuing nuclear weapons? Iran is responsible for the bombings of the Israeli Embassy and the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I trust there is no dispute that Its leaders have repeatedly called for Israel’s demise.

    Khomeini declaring a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons coupled with recent statements that Israel will soon reach a point where it won’t be able to defend itself is as much a threat as the Mafia boss that tells the suspected rat that “I wouldn’t want anything to happen to your family.” Claiming there is no threat because Khomeini was not literal and explicit is horseshit that needs to be called out. 😆

  216. “Quite honestly the non-Muslim world is better off keeping away from questions of faith and should stay focused on the issues found there instead.”

    Agreed. But I didn’t realize “we” (the royal we) were trying to define their faith for them and were in fact trying to stay focused on the “issues found there.”

  217. “Yes Huck. Iran hasn’t threatened Israel. 🙄 ”

    I didn’t say they haven’t threatened Israel. And that’s not what you said. You wrote, quite specifically, that Iran has said they will use the bomb offensively. You didn’t write that they have “implied” it. You didn’t write that Israel has reason to infer it. You wrote that they “said” it. I’ve asked you who said it, and you have yet to answer. Because you cannot answer. Because it was never said.

    “It is disinformation.”

    I’m fairly certain that if you take even a moment to read over my previous comment that you’ll find I agree with that.

    “A large part of the problem is the fact that Muslims are slaughtering people as an expression of their religion.”

    And they are doing that because they are judging how those people interpret and practice their beliefs. Take away the judgement and you take away the actions based on those judgements.

    “We all know from other statements that Israel would be one of the first countries they would use it against.”

    We don’t know that. As I said, you don’t assure your own survival by nuking a nuclear power. You assure your own destruction. Do you disagree?

  218. ET, I cannot imagine that you would allow a prosecutor the luxury of presenting a case against a client of yours based on this type of evidence. You’d eat his ass for breakfast and be done in time to want lunch.

  219. “And they are doing that because they are judging how those people interpret and practice their beliefs. Take away the judgement and you take away the actions based on those judgements.,” Hucking

    I have no clue wtf that means….

  220. Huck you’re shadow boxing. I am not presenting a case to you. You’re too much of weirdo when it comes to anything involving the Islamic world. I still don’t get your religious war and parking spot shooter nonsense. And frankly, you haven’t presented a case at all here. I was responding to Rutherford about Iran posing a threat different from Pakistan. They are a threat to Israel. They have threatened Israel. Those threats aren’t to the exclusion of nukes. In fact, the statements concerning their desires and aggression concerning Israel are so loud and consistent, denying the threat of offensive action in reliance on what Khomeini says or doesn’t say to the exclusion of all else is laughable. You haven’t refuted that with your “deliberately chosen words” nor their “official word” on anything concerning nukes.

  221. But I didn’t realize “we” (the royal we) were trying to define their faith for them ….

    I think there are degrees of this and like it or not we get a bum rap all too often.I also can’t stress enough that perception is the sharp edge of the sword here.
    First when “we” assume or worse assert secular themes on their soil there is an issue. Across cultures this kind of thing happens and more often than not theres only the minor speed bump kind of fallout. In Muslim countries an example on the diplomatic side could be sitting beside each other and the Westerner crosses his leg so that the foot/sole of shoe faces the Muslim. Believe it or not this is not a good thing but when it has happened its a diplomatic faux pas. Another thing would be teaching or working with kids,you get a class mascot,perhaps a teddy bear…DON’T NAME THE F@#%ING THING MOHAMMED! Of course there is something to be said about calling for common sense and humanity to prevail when this kind of thing happens.
    The flip side is you can base troops and ships there and 90+% don’t care anymore than say your average Okinawan.
    Another thing someone mentioned earlier. In the case of AQ & ISIL you have entities who try to dictate a definition of Islam,a definition that they say fails to apply to the likes of citizens and leaders of a place officially known as the Islamic Republic of Iran. I personally want to be very careful about our relations with Iran but you got to think AQ/ISIL are pitching wood hoping folks denounce their view for the simple reason that they can further the Sunni/Shiite divide. Hell that is the single biggest issue in Iraq right now.
    And that plays into my last but by no means the last variant I’ll bring up. Acts get tied to Islam by many for less than noble and intellectually honest reasons. This kind of sucks because it detracts from the times when the tie is truly direct. An example of this would be the 2005 and 2007 riots in France. People were intense in their efforts to stress the demographics of the rioters as if they were a case of jihad. This simply wasn’t true.The damage the representation caused is something that perhaps in some small way helped the Charlie Hebod/Hyper Cacher events.

  222. And the Harvard grad thinks a Sunni-Shitte nuclear arms race is acceptable.

    It isn’t about what is “acceptable”. Oppenheimer etal opened this Pandora’s box back in the 40’s. Do you know just how lucky we’ve been to have had no nuclear assaults since Nagasaki?

    To think we can put the genie back in the bottle is ridiculous. To think that Iran is the only state we should worry about is ridiculous.

    And who knows, Rabbit? Maybe the “answer” is for the Sunni and Shia to nuke each other out of existence?

    Bottom line, who died and made US the moral arbiter of who can have nukes and who can’t? If Iranian nukes scare the shit out of Israel, then let Israel bomb the crap out of them and leave us out of it.

  223. A diplomat said on the eve of WW1 something like the lights are going out one by one. We shall not see them again in our time.

    Turned out to be melodrama. War lasted a bit over 4 years. We were in Iraq 3 times as long.

  224. Poking the bear is not a bad military/political idea at this time.

    I heard this rationale this morning. Basically “I’m not gonna tell you how, but I AM gonna kick your ass. You’ve been warned.”

  225. LOL Muffy on the animal planet title.

    BTW you’ve spoken with authority on videography before. Slowly but surely we will construct a bio of you, the most private and cryptic of the regulars. 🙂

    So far all I’ve got is Brown grad with experience in film. I’m building my dossier. 😉

  226. Are there Muslims who don’t believe in Sharia law? Yeah….I argue they are not Muslim but I’m cool with calling them that if it makes them happy.

    Damn, you don’t get it. What you think ain’t worth shit. You don’t get to define a Muslim. Some folks might not consider you a Christian.

    Our religious identity revolves around our relationship with the religion.

  227. I agree, that from Iran’s view, nuclear weapons are good insurance.

    This is true of EVERY nuclear armed state. The entire Cold War was predicated on MAD. Pakistan and India are bitter enemies and they’re both nuke-able.

    We have two things to fear from any country having nukes (including America):

    1) The country might one day be lead by a madman with no one to put him in check.

    2) As James said, unsavory characters get unauthorized access to the nukes.

  228. Part of the strategy of the Surge was to peel off some factions to our side. It worked too.

    Again we peeled them off by peeling off some Benjamin’s.

    Maybe some part of ISIL can be bought too? I kinda doubt it.

  229. There strategic reasons not to permit countries to have a nuke. It can control the balance of power. The fact that you don’t perceive it as a direct threat (of use) on the US doesn’t mean there’s nothing “to fear.”

    I assume you’d agree a nuclear Cuba would be a problem for the US.

    I also assume you have a problem with any country stockpiling of chemical/biological weapons.

  230. Looks like Wesleyan Open House wins the acronym war.

    LOL What I want to know is what is “genderfuck”? And when has any minority had a cuss word as part of their description?

  231. Rumsfeld put unknowns and knows beautifully. Of course we don’t KNOW for certain that Iran would bomb Israel but we don’t really know much of anything. We extrapolate to feed our suspicions. Evidence suggests Iran would like to obliderate Israel.

    Europe does bear a little blame. Countries like France tended to marginalize the immigrants and let them segregate themselves when Europeans should have made them integrate into the culture.

    The US and its allies made themselves the moral arbiter deciding who has nuclear weapons and doesn’t because we can.

    WW1 was a big deal. It permanently changed the world’s political configuration. It created the “lost generation.” The war also resulted in the Ottoman Empire’s dissolution in a way which helped give us the terrorism problem.

  232. If money and goods don’t convince ISIS it will persuade other Muslims who don’t want to travel the ISIS road. Some liberated Muslims are opposed to ISIS since they have lived under their rule. I think it would work. If not, we kill as many ISIS warriors as we can.

  233. ISIS controls about as much land as is in Great Britain. The land is their justification for saying they are creating a caliphate. Take the land back and ISIS loses some of its legitimacy.

  234. Ah yes….the Harvard grad has deemed World War I melodrama.

    “Damn, you don’t get it. What you think ain’t worth shit. You don’t get to define a Muslim.”

    I can define anything I want anyway I want to.
    Did you read what I wrote? If Muslims go against the Quran and distance themselves from Sharia Law, I’m cool with calling them Muslims if it makes them happy.
    As for the other 100 million, (maybe 500 million? More? ) who practice a religion in which I am supposed to be a second class citizen if I’m lucky, in the cases of ISIS crucified, I’ll judge away.

  235. Muffy, once Rutherford has built his dossier, you will be forever correcting him. I know.

    Au contraire mon frère. Notice how conservative the current dossier is. I shall build it slowly but SURELY. 🙂

  236. Rabbit you CAN do what you want but it ain’t worth shit. Same as you laughing at my judging who is a true Christian and who isn’t. It’s absurd. I’m in no position to define a Christian (other than by my prejudices). The same goes for you and our resident comparative religion scholar, Tex when it comes to defining “true Muslims”.

    I didn’t say WW I was melodrama doofus. I quoted what I quoted deliberately. The “lights” turned back on in a bit more than 4 years. Not the “never in our lifetime” of the speaker.

  237. I don’t buy what you are saying, by the way.

    For example, I think it reasonable to require a Muslim to believe Mohammad to be the Seal of the Prophets. Muslims are monotheistic. Etc. Etc.

    Following your logic, a theological discussion is impossible.

  238. Alfie, your question is mighty broad. I assume you are not referring to mean nonmilitary fields (e.g. humanitarian, commercial, and scientific)?.

    Since the Korean war, Israel backed America’s military engagements, and it has maintained support against radical Islam. In times of danger, Israel has jumped in (Nixon’s request to intervene to save Jordan from Syrian invasion and in spite of missile attacks from Iraq, Israel honored H.W. Bush’s request not to retaliate).

    It’s geographically important. Its nexus of North Africa and Southwest Asia has enabled the United States to minimize military deployments (unlike the Persian Gulf). Haig’s once said “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.”

    We have worked with Israel to develop the most advanced anti-ballistic missiles.

    With respect to intelligence, US and Israeli cooperation is exceedingly vast.

    The Dept of Homeland Security and Israel share technical know defending ports and terminals from terrorist attacks, countering unconventional weapons and cyberthreats, and combating the drug trade.

    Israeli-made drones and reconnaissance devices scope out hostile territory.

    as I type I wonder if this is what you were after. There are of course economic, scientific and other interests.

  239. “Au contraire mon frère. Notice how conservative the current dossier is. I shall build it slowly but SURELY.”

    I’m glad you learned from your mistakes with mine — even though I delivered it to you!

  240. The lights did not come back on after WW1. Different lights were lit. Pre- WW1 Europe enjoyed an almost mechanical balance of power. Its leaders were sure they had found the route to permanent peace because it had worked for a generation. The system was rotting like an over ripe pear as checks and balances failed. The party was over.

  241. “Following your logic, a theological discussion is impossible.”

    There go the Rutherford late night dorm room rap sessions.

    I’m lost on what is supposed to be off limits while accommodating the grand “discussion” called for by the same folks trying to shut down conversation by disqualifying all opinion concerning Islam.

  242. Something is happening here. Have you noticed;?

    Giuliani has attracted the usual calumy with his remarks about Obama, but unlike most times several Republican politicians have defended him and counter attacked the press who ignore Democratic miss steps. Angry commenters are cheering them on.

    I wonder if there is a connection with our president’s recent comments and inability to fashion a realistic defense policy. Something feels different.

  243. “Damn, you don’t get it. What you think ain’t worth shit. You don’t get to define a Muslim. Some folks might not consider you a Christian.”

    Cut the crap you guys. Obama stood up in full pompous professor mode and dressed down American Christians with a sketchy history lesson in direct response to self-described Islamic militants sawing the heads off of 21 Christians in Egypt. All Obama had to say was “Yo, Egypt, we got you.”

    Y’all can’t seem to make up your minds on whether you get to define Christians, Jews, AND Muslims, but you’re pretty sure what we think ain’t worth shit. Tell you what, let’s all shut the fuck up then.

  244. “Something feels different.”

    I think it’s fatigue. The left collapsing onto the feinting couch when anyone calls it straight is reached its limits. And frankly, I think most people believe what Giuliani said . . . and the GOP knows it. 6 years without straight talk on any subject and failure to act at every turn unless it provides and opportunity to criticize the country he leads, the midterms, the decline in MSM confidence, WTF is going on the middle east, the prayer breakfast bullshit-a-thon all make Guilian’s comments safe to support IMO.

  245. I retract the “you guys” as I just meant Rutherford. I don’t recall Alfie and Huck being too hypocritical on the matters at hand.

  246. I do too DR.

    Muffy, you have. As I said, he’ll get it wrong. Once he develops a simplistic image, you could invite him into your home to prove how wrong he is and he’d still return to it. He’s already got a bit of yours wrong and I ain’t gonna correct him.

  247. I retract the “you guys” as I just meant Rutherford. I don’t recall Alfie and Huck being too hypocritical on the matters at hand.

    I knew it was too good to be true.

  248. I’ll say this about Rudy’s remarks. Juxtaposed with Rutherford’s response to them, I think Rudy’s are more on target.

    “And frankly I don’t need the POTUS to “love” America. That’s high school. I need him first and foremost to keep me safe and guess what folks? No 9/11 on his watch yet.”

  249. “Following your logic, a theological discussion is impossible.”

    Whatever gave you the idea that anyone wanted a theological discussion……..

    ………ahem……about Islam.

  250. So give me a clue. I said three things all of which there is evidence in the comments section:

    1) Chicago
    2) Brown
    3) Some experience with film

    Now 3 is a logical leap BUT Muffy has talked about videography on more than one occasion that implied some experience.

    So yeah … ha ha.

  251. Quite frankly our having a deep conversation about Islam is like a bunch of guys debating the best brand of tampon.

    For the most part, rank bigotry substitutes here for theological expertise.

  252. I almost hate to do this, but….

    “Video of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians being marched along a Libyan beach before being beheaded by black-clad members of ISIS is hard for any civilized person to watch, but experts who made it through the sickening, five-minute clip told FoxNews.com Friday they came to the same conclusion: The footage was faked.”

  253. “Quite frankly our having a deep conversation about Islam is like a bunch of guys debating the best brand of tampon.

    For the most part, rank bigotry substitutes here for theological expertise.” -Rutherford

    This is worthy of a Fat Granny tweet. That is not a compliment.

    The premise is puerile, the impetus shifty, but it’s the hypocrisy that’s truly breathtaking.

  254. “So give me a clue.”

    “Once, Turner had himself lashed to the mast of a ship for several hours, during a furious storm, so that he could later paint the storm. Obviously, it was not the storm itself that Turner intended to paint. What he intended to paint was a representation of the storm. One’s language is frequently imprecise in that manner, I have discovered.” ― David Markson, Wittgenstein’s Mistress

  255. “Quite frankly our having a deep conversation about Islam is like a bunch of guys debating the best brand of tampon.”

    Now I know what people mean when they say they spurted coffee all over their keyboard. 😆

  256. “Bottom line, who died and made US the moral arbiter of who can have nukes and who can’t?”

    Good point, R. Not only in the matter of nukes but in other fields of interest.

  257. Judging these people by the standards they judge us tells us a few things. Obama and his allies are bigoted socialists or communists. They are not of this country. The bigotry is inborn and as American as apple pie, but progressives bring a foreign ideology which fails the majority of people. ISIS and the other jihadists consider themselves to be and ARE a variant of Islam. To say otherwise is to deny the nature of an unknown number of Muslims.

    Moderates say the violence against infidels and other Muslims which was practiced at the beginning onward was part of doctrine which preached self defense They were persecuted in the beginning, but was creating empires self defense? Jihadists may rationalize their current violence, honor murders and subjegation of women as self defense when in reality, it is cultural and religious aggression.

    No disrespect intended, but that tampon comment is gross, disgusting and wrong. “By their fruits you will know them.” They tell us who they are, and their doctrine and beliefs are not hidden. What are they if not Muslims? Unitarians? Lutherans? So we have not had another 9/11 yet. What about the other terrorist attacks which are on the increase? What about the other 9/11s across the world? Any self-aware person knows we are not safer than we were. To ask such a question and not know the answer is folly.

    And who made the US the moral arbiter of the world? We did because we could and because we and our allies are morally better people than the alternative. Who would be a better arbiter? The Chinese, Russians, Saudi Arabians, or maybe the UN? The world is better because exceptional people like us took the power to police other countries less enlightened than we. Certainly we are guilty of awful deeds, but most actions benefit us, so it isn’t so bad. If Muslims can credit their sins to self defense, so can we.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  258. “Now the party’s over, I’m so tired
    Then, I see you coming out of nowhere
    Much communication in a motion
    without conversation or a notion…
    And the background’s fading out of focus
    Yes the picture’s changing every moment
    And your destination, you don’t know it.”

    That is us today.

  259. Cue Poolman!!!

    😀 No need. I’ve already been there done that. I don’t post near the inconvenient truths I once did, since you guys mostly choke on them. I’m doing some flat earth research right now after a lifetime of global indoctrination. There might be something to share from it. Or not. I don’t know what the future holds.

  260. What are they if not Muslims? Unitarians? Lutherans?

    Fellow human beings. Ideological weaknesses aside, we all breathe the same atmosphere and bleed red.

  261. @ Muffy and now to a degree James…
    For my part my comments about defining faith is based entirely in the pursuit of what I’ll term intellectual disengagement. I don’t want to afford entities like AQ,ISIL & Boko Haram the wiggle room to declare I’m attacking Islam when I blow them up. I admit my disengagement flows over to other faiths as well.
    For example I try to be consistent in hating the attacks on people as people as opposed to culture. I personally think it should be enough to react to people being displaced or slaughtered. To me the notion that they being Coptic or Yazidi makes intervention more important is unimportant and an unfortunate choice.

  262. “For the most part, rank bigotry substitutes here for theological expertise.”

    😆 😆 😆

    That is the most hypocritical statement ever typed.

  263. Although I think there were a number of high points along the timeline that can be called Pax Americana the whole moral arbiter thing bothers me to no end.
    I hate to say it but the notion is a classic chickens have come home to roost kind of thing.

  264. “To me the notion that they being Coptic or Yazidi makes intervention more important is unimportant and an unfortunate choice.”

    Ignoring the reason they were selected as victims is ignoring the reality of the act. Important or unimportant requires an understanding of the threat regardless of the response.

  265. @ ET I want to say I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to offer an answer. I was solely coming from the military/strategic angle.
    The simple answer for me is that Israel is of zero strategic value to the USA and is indeed a source of much concern. The deeper answer is far more controversial and I’m doing a post on it. Basically I’ve decided the USA is far from moral in the matter of the region and that the strategic value of Israel is tied to a very warped view by American policy makers. I disagree with the pool men of the world however that this warped view was fomented by zionists. I think it is pure WASP & neo Con in nature.

  266. Alfie, as I said, I realized that as I typed. I don’t know if I have a strong opinion of it — though I wouldn’t say “zero” strategic value though a strong case for its value vastly outweighed by its drawbacks. But I do know the subject requires far more than a casual answer to a to your question. I’ll look for your post.

  267. Yes, Poolman, they are fellow human beings,but if they try to kill us, we have the right to kill them first with no guilt.We don’t need to understand them except to better divide and destroy them so we can find allies among our enemies. . Its fine academically, but in the end all that matters is who wins.

    . One of my attackers ended with half of his face sliced off. It hung down like a curtain with part of his cheek bone and teeth peering through. Blood was running like a faucet. As a Christian, I should have felt bad for him. I should have felt forgiveness, I could only gloat and feel pleasure. I still regret not being able to kill the men who tortured me. As I wrote, I learned a lot in the service.

  268. National Review “It Doesn’t Matter One Bit What Obama Thinks ‘True Islam” Is

    “President Abdel Fattah al Sisi of Egypt is a pious Muslim says Islam needs a religious revolution. “While Sisi sees a dangerous flaw in Islam, Obama believes America needs to be ‘fundamentally transformed’ but Islam is fine as it is.”

    The summit on terrorism was really about “advancing the social justice agenda of progressive politics.” “To the extent the summit dealt with Islam, it was to play the counterproductive game of defining the ‘true’ Islam in order to discredit the Islamic State and Al Qaeda as perveyers of a ‘false or ‘perverted’ Islam.”

    Obama quoted from the Koran in Sura 5;32 “Whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all of mankind’ But he did not quote , Sura 5;33 which says “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter. ”

    For the Islamist, justice equals sharia and injustice is the absence of trangression of sharia.” Sisi said ” that terrorists in the Middle East were relying on a corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the years to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible even though it is antagonizing the entire world.”

    Sisi is right of course. How refreshing how urgently necessary for him to face the problem honestly. Nevertheless our challenge is different one from Sisi’s and Islam”s It is preserving our own national security, not avoiding antagonism. ”

    Were it not for terrorism most of use would care as much about Islam as we would a topic in a comparative religion class. . We must protect the United States regardless of whether they are right and regardless of how Islam’s internal strife is resolved-if it ever is.”

    The Japanese commander of the attack on Pearl Harbor worried that his people had awakened a sleeping giant, and he was right. We can be exceptionally brutal when angered. The Jihadists may yet meet the same metiphorical fate as my enemy did years ago. Brian Williams is another to taste the wrath of angered Americans.

  269. Islam…the religion that has millions following a version where crucifying little little boys and putting planes into the World Trade Center is deemed never to be spoken of by the Harvard Grad because it is impossible to understand them so we can’t speak about the people chopping our heads of and…stuff…like that and stuff.

  270. @ James when you present:

    Sura 5;33 which says “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter. ”

    what is your intent?

  271. My intent is to support Egyptian president Sisi’s argument that Islam needs to change. The religion has accepted such concepts as gospel truth for so long that they have become internalized the way Old Testament verses once were for the majority of Christians.

    The Jihadists are a legitimate form of Islam, and to say otherwise is to lie. Islam like Christianity wears many faces. The Indonesian version in which Obama lived until he was ten was modified by animism, Buddhism and other indigenous religions, but if it is more “moderate” it is still Islam.

    Mostly Middle Eastern sects are not pretenders as Obama and others want us to believe. They are true Muslims as Sisi said.

    My intent is to argue that we only need to understand their motivations and culture to better defeat them and to gain allies within Islam. We can destroy ISIS but until we kill or change the root cause, another organization will replace them.

    The state of long term trends gives Islam an edge over the West unless we convince more tolerant sects to join us.

  272. “I wouldn’t say “zero” strategic value though a strong case for its value vastly outweighed by its drawbacks.”

    Tread with caution, man. You’re about 1 step away from being an anti-Semitic Jew-hater. You wouldn’t want to become someone’s “enemy”, now, would you?….

  273. Huh? Is this more of your weird hypersensitive shit?

    Let me put something to rest for you Huck so you can move on without your cardiologist ordering you to.

    I am not invested in the Muslim/middle east dynamics and “Islamaphobia” and “anti-Zionism” or the plight of terrorists as you are. In fact, it is obvious you are consumed by it.

    Provoking a troubling reaction from you (tantrum) requires only the mention of Islam or Semitism or some perceived slight to the Muslim condition. It’s odd when balanced against the same hypersensitivities/victimhood bullshit pulled off by the black community here.

    In any event, I am generally apathetic. I think the Muslim community knows how to play the grievance game like many other groups. It’s why I asked about the stats for violence against the Muslim community. Something objective about their being picked on is what I was looking for. I roll my eyes when Jews play the same game.

    Huck, I think you’d be better served by trying to persuade than frothing and freaking out and acting wounded and storming off. It’s just weird and ineffective or as Rutherford says, “white noise.” We fucking get it already. Up your game.

  274. What he intended to paint was a representation of the storm.

    Whether the biographical details are inferred by me or offered by you, all it will ever be is a “representation” of you.

    In fact our public personas are always representations. And on the Net, they are often wildly false representations.

  275. @ James okie dokie. I was wondering why you chose the verse and what you thought it represented.
    As for Sisi I think after the initial afterglow wears off people will see the pitfalls of following his lead too closely.
    I believe Sisi to be a little disingenuous on the matter. I know people hated on the Harf Barf but there is something to be said about the conditions that help with radicalization. In Egypt the continued high unemployment,government repression and potential isolation doesn’t make Cairo safe or the warm and fuzzy friend we think we need. We need to be careful in this fight that in our pursuit of victory we don’t take steps that only perpetuate the problem.

  276. No disrespect intended, but that tampon comment is gross, disgusting and wrong.

    It was the most stark way for me to make the point.

    Unless I really misunderstand the expertise on this board there is a lot of empty talk about Islam going on here. Menstruation may be gross to you James but the fact is MEN don’t know shit about tampons (with the possible exception of gynecologists) and a bunch of Christians and a couple of religious skeptics cannot speak with authority on what it is to be a practicing Muslim and have a relationship with Allah on a daily basis.

    And Muffy, your accusation of hypocrisy is dead on. I have opined in this forum countless times on Christianity when I know little more about it than I do about Islam.

    My main gripe with all organized religion is its center around supernatural events that are scientifically impossible and preposterous.

  277. Rutherford not for nothing but loving America really should be a prereq for a POTUS.

    But surely Alfie you agree this definition of love can be pretty sophomoric.

    We all agree that when our parents punish us for doing wrong, they love us. When they keep our ego in check, they love us.

    We must decide what we want. A president who shows his love through constant cheer leading or one who shows his love by demanding we improve our future by being honest about our past.

    I maintain both men “love” America.

  278. I agree alfie. Sisi is no Sam Houston or Jefferson Davis. I believe he told the truth, whether or not he believes it, and I don’t imply we should involve ourselves in Egypt any more than we have. Islam needs more people sharing his stated sentiment. Acknowledging Islam needs change is a small start and nothing more.

    I think our main goal now is to retake the land ISIS has conquered. As long as they possess it, the seed of the caliphate grows. Doing much more meddling risks expensive mistakes as you wrote. Yes, poor economic and social conditions are something we need to address, but for now we need to evict ISIS.

    Richard Engle said on Meet the Press that Obama’s strategy is failing, so I don’t hold much hope that our prospects will change in the short term.

    In place of a victory, my only satisfaction is trashing Obama and his liberal allies.

  279. “My main gripe with all organized religion is its center around supernatural events that are scientifically impossible and preposterous.” Rutherford

    Your “main gripe” with religion needs to be jihad and Shari’a Law.

    Just because you are ignorant as fuck doesn’t mean we all have to be.

    Let’s take it slow.

    Am I wrong to say Islam is monotheistic? Or is this “analysis” already above my pay grade.

    I’m serious.

  280. We need to be careful in this fight that in our pursuit of victory we don’t take steps that only perpetuate the problem.

    And DAMN, I think you’ve nailed why this is such a tough problem for us to solve. It’s why I cannot summarily condemn our failure to intervene early in Syria. Who were we going to back? How sure were we that the moderates were moderate?

  281. Am I wrong to say Islam is monotheistic? Or is this “analysis” already above my pay grade.

    Rabbit of course we can site “facts” about Islam. But what so many are doing is looking into the hearts of other men and quoting the Koran to suggest evil in the hearts of these men.

    I don’t remember whether it was Huck or Alfie that suggested it, but you cannot speak with authority on another man’s relationship with his God. Only he can.

    When I say Obama is an atheist I’m going on my gut but clearly I don’t know who if anyone Obama prays to.

  282. James I don’t think America’s wrath did in Brian Williams. Either journalistic integrity prevailed or it was simple office politics. Most Americans chuckled and moved on.

  283. I don’t believe I’ve read a single criticism of yours against Bibi or Israel more generally. Nor have you given me an iota of support when I suggest that both blacks AND Jews need to move the fuck on. You reserve that suggestion for blacks only.

  284. “My main gripe with all organized religion is its center around supernatural events that are scientifically impossible and preposterous.”

    Oh, well then Albert Rutherford Einstein, please do fill us in on your theories of the physical constructs which produced all the matter in the universe. Or maybe you can theorize how epigenetics came into being if we waited around long enough. RNA? DNA? The Cell Cycle? Error checking during mitotic cell division? Cell signaling? LOL I can hardly wait for these scientific answers.

    My man gripe with the militant unbelievers is the fact that they arrogantly announce how ludicrous the ideas of ‘religion’, without generally even understanding basic chemistry, physics, and biology, or acknowledging the brilliance that preceded them that did believe in the supernatural, and in fact, couldn’t understand without it.. Many of the arrogant are Spanish majors. Bueno. 😈

    Hey, speaking of that Albert. I’ve asked you three times now and you still haven’t answered this very simple question. Is man a cosmic accident? Must be, if I read your incredibly deep conclusions.

  285. Yes, TR adopted a foreign progressive ideology and altered it to fit the United States. Since we are mostly transplanted Europeans cross pollination has been common since the beginning.

    Progressivism was a reaction to extreme capitalism which built our industrial base. It helped change our country for the better by smoothing rough edges and strengthening the safety net. However, it is a spin off from European socialism.

    Teddy Roosevelt was not a socialist, and his cousin, FDR while evolving in that direction was argueably closer. His socialistic schemes failed and one of his advisers admitted that they had failed. FDR proposed that some income levels be taxed at 100% Holland of France almost duplicated FDR’s plan until he lost political support.

    Obama and the progressives have evolved even further into socialism. That makes him as Sami singer Sofia Jannok observed in another context the leader of an occupying regime.

    Obama may love this country, but his words and actions show he does not love the US as much as he loves the US created in the image of European socialism.

    Suppose your daughter is a fine dancer with the ability to win awards, but you think she should be an ice skater. You force her to take skating lessons and don’t take her to another dance event even as a spectator. That is Obama.

  286. Rutherford asked earlier something to the effect of why we should be the “moral arbiter” of who gets nukes and who doesn’t. Though I take issue with the term “moral arbiter,” James answered and correctly IMO.

    Now, in the wake of Obama’s prayer breakfast bullshit, I ask the same question of you Rutherford. You say it again with, “We must decide what we want. A president who shows his love through constant cheer leading or one who shows his love by demanding we improve our future by being honest about our past.”

    Who said we need either. More importantly, Obama’s demand that white Christians repent for sins of others (crusades, slavery) I would like to know what credential permits Obama to be the moral arbiter of race, religion and wealth? His color?

    What, Rutherford, permits Obama to assume the position of moral arbiter on any questions of faith? Do you think the people he chooses to lecture respect his opinions? I sure as fuck don’t. I don’t want any president to lecture me on questions of faith or the history of the church. Why do you?

  287. The last poll I read says over 60% of Americans want Brian Williams fired. It goes along party lines. More Democrats think he should stay while they also think Obama should disregard court orders.

    Social media has denounced Williams, and mocked him. Since the majority of Americans are independents and Republicans I think I can safely say Americans want to be rid of him.

    Remember you were late to the party. Days passed before you heard the news, and I think you read it first here. Williams’ bosses and others warned him about his exagerations for years, but they didn’t tell the rest of us, and that includes the liberal news organs.

    As time passes, people find other things to worry about, but in beginning anger against Williams was widespread.

  288. “I don’t believe I’ve read a single criticism of yours against Bibi or Israel more generally. Nor have you given me an iota of support when I suggest that both blacks AND Jews need to move the fuck on. You reserve that suggestion for blacks only.”

    Care to show me what you’re referring to? You’re confusing two different things now, but in any event I’m calling bullshit. In fact, I recall a very specific instance where I described my “eye rolling” many moons ago. For now though, I need a real point of reference not a generalized statement that I didn’t agree with you.

    I will give you a head start with this: I don’t find that I demands for Jewish atonement placed upon me as I do from you and a large segment of the black community. I also don’t think it’s my job to “even things up” in terms of negative observations of any groups — certainly with you who I can’t recall ever applying the label Anti-sematic but certainly has no hesitation with label “racist.” (I’ve forgotten whether you did so with Poolman, but if you did, I don’t recall it).

  289. “And Muffy, your accusation of hypocrisy is dead on. I have opined in this forum countless times on Christianity when I know little more about it than I do about Islam.

    My main gripe with all organized religion is its center around supernatural events that are scientifically impossible and preposterous.”

    Yup.

    We responded to the president haranguing Christians in response to one of the horrifying recent acts of Islamic jihad. The victims of which are largely uncounted. Are we talking about dozens? Unlikely. Hundreds? Keep going. Thousands? Tens of thousands? Dead, enslaved, living in hell on earth.

    You’ve named your main gripe – maybe. You failed to mention that you also bellyache often about the behavior of Christians and the Catholic Church, but largely spare “all organized religions” besides Christianity your judgment and criticism. Certainly that was your m.o. up until James Foley was liberated from his head. Which we’re also supposed to believe never happened because of jump cuts?? (I know you haven’t been the main contributor of that madness but you must admit we’ve been dealing with it with some patience.)

    You set forth false equivalences one after another. You’re fine with calling this genocide “religious extremism” while you now want to remain noncommittal about which religion to the exclusion of ALL OTHERS owns these unspeakable acts. After caterwauling for months/years about the failure of moderate Muslims to step up and handle their own, now all of a sudden it’s never mind. It’s not a Muslim thing.

    You claim that all religions are (present tense yours) “vulnerable” (your word) to religious fanaticism. Even though you have been asked repeatedly to provide examples of religious extremism outside of Islam, which you fail to do. You call radical Islam a cult, which it is not. You insist we don’t need to understand them just weeks after badgering rabbit about his refusal to highlight the specific variances between the one faction and another.

    And now, now we’re supposed to keep quiet and accept that radical Islam is not Islam because the president says so? Because Christians are murderers too? And racism.

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that shit.

  290. As a Christian, I should have felt bad for him. I should have felt forgiveness, I could only gloat and feel pleasure. I still regret not being able to kill the men who tortured me. As I wrote, I learned a lot in the service.

    You still suffer turmoil in your soul over this, James. You have brought it up before. The Lord said forgive them, they know not what they do to his torturers and killers. Stephen said the same and the saints put up with much physical abuse without fighting back. It is definitely the harder row to hoe. Christianity is foremost about forgiveness and new beginnings. It is a pass from your past. The only drawback is you got to renew it every morning to get the full benefit. 🙂

    Nonetheless it is never too late as long as it is day.

    In theory Jews, Muslims, and Christians all serve the same God. That order is also considered by some to be the progression of the faith. Some take it further into more modern faiths, like Mormonism. The splits are often generated by lawyers and such. 😀

    People are lazy and would rather follow than lead, so good leaders are key. Just like your political faiths, identity is important. That is why people tend to identify with a certain sect or specific key person. We always label, categorize, and organize. It’s what we do. Gives a sense of control. Over generations opinions are indelibly bound and we bind ourselves to those opinions. We stumble, fall, and even kill over them. That is why G-d didn’t even want to give the law in the first place. It’s a burden.

    Within all these faiths there are true servants with contrite hearts and there are those who are themselves gods with an agenda while the vast majority claiming to ascribe fall somewhere in between.

    Aside from that, everyone is unique and our plugin to our creator source is unique. The goal is for one to seek and find it. Again. It is a rebirth. Father provides plenty of breadcrumbs along the path.

  291. I didn’t even read that Bloomberg article, but if it concluded Republicans are bent about Giuliani saying what he said about Hussein Obama not loving America, I’m laughing at it. I know hundreds of Republicans in the reddest state in the Union, and I haven’t heard one complaint and in fact, have heard ‘About Fricking Time’ throughout my mail box.

    Bloomberg readership generally caters to the Lib and the moderates who want to call themselves Republican. These moderate Republicans are so popular, they don’t exist in any national political office, best I can tell. But they do run things like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and much of the mainstream media. Yawn.

    I’ll go one step further than Giuliani, and I know I am right about this. All of Hussein’s actions have spoken as he is at the very least, a Muslim sympathizer, a Christian bigot, and a moral relativist. Hussein’s most endearing hatred is toward Conservative Christians. Good – we’re doing something right.

    Hussein’s campaign promises about ‘radical transformation’ would indicate he definitely thinks America is flawed – you don’t radically change something that works; you might tinker. That’s the man’s own words.

    But I have concluded it’s not just that Hussein finds America flawed. I think Hussein finds all but a few people flawed – only those not flawed are the ones that see Hussein’s own greatness and carry the academic credential of University horse dung. Like I’ve said many times, the man is an obvious megalomaniac and narcissist. More than that, I find Barack Hussein Obama clearly a misanthrope – and a malcontent at that.

  292. Tex, I believe there is the Spirit of God in every spec of humanity. Jesus being the gate, I’ll ask Him next time I pass. 😀

  293. “But surely Alfie you agree this definition of love can be pretty sophomoric.”

    What definition are you talking about? The only dippy definition I can see being applied here is yours. You think we’re all talking about puppy love.

    We’re talking about unconditional love. You’ve heard the phrase. Do you know what it means? Do you really?

    “We all agree that when our parents punish us for doing wrong, they love us. When they keep our ego in check, they love us.

    Whoa whoa whoa. Back up. You cannot be seriously telling me that Obama speaks as he does to us for our own good?

    He loves his voters. He punishes his political foes. He lectures because of HIS ego, not ours.

    “We must decide what we want. A president who shows his love through constant cheer leading or one who shows his love by demanding we improve our future by being honest about our past.

    I maintain both men “love” America.”

    We have. So take your newest false choice and put it away with all the others.

    What you call “honesty” about our past I call unforgiveness on the part of our current “father.” On behalf of his favorite sons I might add.

    You decide for yourself if that’s unconditional love or not. I know what I think.

    PS…Rudy can STFU anytime now too. All he did was confuse poor DWS and RL.

  294. Tex, I believe there is the Spirit of God in every spec of humanity. Jesus being the gate, I’ll ask Him next time I pass.

    That’s nice but that is not what Muslims believe. But putting Jesus aside for the moment, do you believe Jews and Muslims worship the same God?

  295. “We must decide what we want. A president who shows his love through constant cheer leading or one who shows his love by demanding we improve our future by being honest about our past.

    This is typical Leftist thought, which I believe in large part leads to their moral relativism. Interesting that Rutherford asked, “Who are we to tell other nations they can’t have a nuclear weapon? Anyone realize that is the same basic argument Nazi Germany made at the Nuremberg trials about killing German Jews and gypsies? Who was the world to tell them how to govern?

    The Left’s emphasis is always reliving past grievances, never giving credit to the positive. I’ve asked Rutherford on numerous occasions if America so bad, pray tell where ‘African-Americans’ live better. It’s met with derision, avoidance, indignation. But never a stab at answering the question.

    Is it not America’s past what has shaped our present? So I ask again, who has done it better than America? Who does more for the rest of the world than America? Mogadishu? Tehran? Moscow? Beijing? London?

    If America is not exceptional, who is and what does the Left propose we do to make it better?

    And their answer will be something akin to ‘social justice.’ But we’ve done that for going on about fifteen years now, and really about 50 years if you include ‘The Great Society, and we find our country significantly weakened. How does the Left explain that away?

  296. “Anyone realize that is the same basic argument Nazi Germany made at the Nuremberg trials about killing German Jews and gypsies? Who was the world to tell them how to govern?”

    I had that exact same thought but didn’t express it because I already know the response. It was not an examination of religious beliefs (of the Nazis). This is a forbidden topic because. . . well. . . because SHUT UP. Who are we to define the Nazi’s faith in atheism and Hitler. It’s a relationship we cannot know. 🙄

  297. Tex I don’t stand firmly on the Earth’s origin. Heck I don’t even stand 100% firm on evolution although I’m figuring it’s the best explanation going.

    But I stand with 99.99999% certainty that EVERY woman throughout history has conceived through sexual intercourse with a man or with the advances of science, artificial insemination. I stand with 99.9999% certainty that no boat ever held 2 of every species on the Earth.

    So when I talk of the ridiculous and preposterous that is what I’m referring to.

    In fact I’ll go so far as to surmise (in answer to your cosmic accident question) that God put in place the very physical laws that so many biblical accounts contradict.

    Wouldn’t it be at all interesting if God was on the side of the scientists and he shakes his head at those who take biblical accounts literally?

  298. What, Rutherford, permits Obama to assume the position of moral arbiter on any questions of faith? Do you think the people he chooses to lecture respect his opinions? I sure as fuck don’t. I don’t want any president to lecture me on questions of faith or the history of the church. Why do you?

    Did you happen to catch the opening of Meet the Press today? It showed two clips of Bush saying “this is not about Islam, a religion of peace”. They even had a clip of Darth Cheney saying the same thing.

    Were they lecturing you?

    It isn’t the lecture that bothers you. It’s the lecture from someone you profoundly dislike that bothers you.

  299. James I’ll grant you that Williams’ tall tale did not poll well. I’m still thinking his demise was more influenced by NBC internal considerations than public outrage. I could be wrong.

  300. Concerning the peace ring hoax:

    “In even worse news, it appears as if the organizer of the Muslim “peace ring” is a virulent anti-Semite, 9/11 truther, a gay-basher, and an Israel-hater.

    Ali Chishti, who organized the event, said bluntly in 2008, “I hate Jews and how they operate,” reports Daniel Greenfield. Chishti added in his conspiracy-laden rant about the Jewish people, “It is a fact that during the attacks on the Twin Towers [World Trade Center] 1600 Jews were absent from work. OK, OK, what’s even more suspicious, is how unusually many Jews there were present in Mumbai on the day that Pakistani terrorists struck. How come?”

    At a March, 2008 meeting in Oslo promoting his 9/11 conspiracy theory that the Jews were responsible for the World Trade Center attacks, Chishti read his speech titled, “Therefore I Hate Jews And Gays,” Haaretz reports.”

  301. “Were they lecturing you?”

    No. And not even close to what I’m talking about.

    “It isn’t the lecture that bothers you. It’s the lecture from someone you profoundly dislike that bothers you.”

    Not at all. I don’t want to hear it from anyone.

    Try again. You haven’t bothered with an answer. . . again.

  302. (I’ve forgotten whether you did so with Poolman, but if you did, I don’t recall it).

    I’ve done plenty of eye rolling on Brother Nathaniel, Pool’s favorite anti-Semite … ahem … anti-Zionist.

    I haven’t outright called Poolman an anti-Semite because I think he obsesses on the Zionist thing but I don’t believe he hates Jews. I find Poolman to be the living example of “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

    BUT and let me be clear, I fully support Poolman’s refusal to give Israel a free pass.

    As for your other point, YOU are unfairly smeared by the actions of whites 50 years ago. You are also unfairly smeared by the actions of current white bigots. Just as my dark skinned mother was smeared by the actions or status of other blacks who had nothing in common with her but skin color.

    To this day, Germans who never hurt a single Jew are the butts of Nazi jokes. But again, Germans have been profoundly contrite about their transgressions. Southern whites have not. Instead of saying WE WERE WRONG AND WE’RE SORRY, they say “we lost the war” or “it was economics” or “you don’t get the historical context”.

    Damn let ANY man talk about the historical context of the holocaust and watch all hell break loose!

  303. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that shit.

    LOL Muffy I think you’re the only one who can offer a pretty thorough critique of me and then close, sounding like Rabbit in drag. 🙂

  304. I didn’t even read that Bloomberg article, but …

    Tex, DON’T be like me. Read the shit before commenting. You’re wrong about the article. Completely wrong. It’s about why Republicans are NOT upset by Rudy and why they are tired of the liberal media feeding frenzy.

  305. Muffy I hate to break this to you but I don’t believe in unconditional love.

    My mother used to say to me “if you wind up in prison, don’t expect any visits from me.” LOL she’d temper that with “maybe your Dad will visit you.” 😆

  306. Tex once again I’ll quote my late mother. “This is the greatest country on the face of the Earth. I would not have wanted to be born anywhere else.” And as late as the 70’s she refused to drive to Florida out of fear. Fly yes, drive, hell no.

    Reality is complex my friend. So is “love of country”.

  307. Tigre serious question, how do you suppose the peace ring story went so far from reality, coming from reputable sources like Reuters?

    I mean, shit, a thousand was 20 and the ringleader had a virulent antisemitic past. If the news gets it THAT wrong, no wonder we have to watch Jon Stewart and Jon Oliver.

  308. Wait … Bush was not lecturing you when his words were identical to the dude who was lecturing you?

    Ok maybe I get it. Bush didn’t bash Christians during his lecture while Obama did. Is that it?

  309. But putting Jesus aside for the moment, do you believe Jews and Muslims worship the same God?

    🙄 Like that’s even possible… but here you go. Jews and Muslims believe they worship the same God, that being the God of Abraham. In theory, as I said, even Christians worship that same God. The God of the Old Testament. They all share a common origin.

  310. Rutherford,

    So monothiesm is a “fact” that you give permission to be acknowledged as a part of orthodox Islamic theology?

    Good, we are in agreement. (Although I swear Muslims treat Muhammed like God).

    You do know that the Allowite Muslims (Assad from Syria) believe in the divination of Ali, right?

    Yet…despite this, we both can agree Muslims are monotheistic.

    I need to know what else you give permission for us to awknowledge as Islamic orthodoxy. Don’t leave me hanging, man.

  311. So you believe in God or a Creator, but don’t believe in Jesus? Is that what I am now getting from you, Rutherford? You just told me you find the supernatural bunk and then contradict yourself in the retort.

    Why don’t you simply say Jesus is a fraud? Are you too gutless? Too timid? Too mealy-mouthed to do just that? I’ll say right now I think Mohammad is charlatan. Uneducated and too ignorant to even pen his own book, Mohammad was nothing but a head lopping maniac and pedophile, who wanted to lead the equally backward nomadic goat licks into some vision of utopia (sounds like modern day liberalism). If he can still see us from hell, I’ll bet he’s shocked his baloney actually started a massive movement.

    Frankly, I don’t begrudge you your stupidity. I begrudge your phoniness, your disingenuous nature, your cowardice. You told me once when we first met, while when I was making sport of you, that you didn’t really understand why because most people like you. You still believe that? You sure you haven’t become a bitter old, tiresome man whose out of hope and out of time?

    There’s nothing complex at all about love of country. That’s the problem I have with so many Lefts – besides their nihilistic nature. They’re and you are bunch of ingrates.

  312. Jews and Muslims believe they worship the same God, that being the God of Abraham.

    Huuuuh? The religious idiot (me) now asks you, if they believe they worship the same God then they DO. it’s all about BELIEF.

    You imply they believe it but it ain’t really true … “like that’s even possible” maybe Tex understands this.

  313. What’s the big deal I didn’t read the Bloomberg article and guessed wrong? LOL. It doesn’t change one damn thing I said about Barack Hussein Obama and only reinforces what I said about real Republicans.

    Barack is a misanthrope. Don’t you agree, Rutherford? I think his wife is too. They’ve got their little circle jerk of friends and don’t give a shit about anyone else.

    Don’t you get the idea when the curtain drawn, Obama is an asshole that very few would like? Come on, be honest like you used to be.

    Make you a bet. George Bush has already surprised in his reputation recover because (1) He’s a patriot; (2) He’s a nice guy who people like.

    I’ll bet a decade from now, Barack will be Jimmy Carter. A bitter old man and almost irrelevant.

  314. I need to know what else you give permission for us to awknowledge as Islamic orthodoxy. Don’t leave me hanging, man.

    To do that with any authority is have to be a scholar of Islam. Even if I were a scholar I could not tell you what lies in the heart of a Muslim nor his individual relationship with scripture or Allah.

    By the way and correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the trinity keep Christianity monotheistic? In other words, there is Jesus and there is God but their being one and the same avoids worshipping two gods. Correct?

  315. I know this much. These militant Muslims agree with me about one thing.

    The God I worship isn’t the god they worship. And neither is the God the Jews worship. And I can’t for the life of me explain why anyone would be denying that.

    However, I am curious about what Poolman believes. Yes, I know that seems contradictory to my usual nature. 😆 But Poolman calls himself a Christian, I’ll take him at his word, and I want to see what Pool’s thinks of the statement the Christian God of the Most High is just Allah by another name.

  316. “Ok maybe I get it. Bush didn’t bash Christians during his lecture while Obama did. Is that it?”

    Picture a horrible attack on a mosque by the KKK in Chicago and Obama, the day after, reminds all of the Midwest about who was behind the September 11th attacks. Except…picture the Spetember 11th attacks somehow taking place in the year 1001 instead of 2001.

    Now, picture the harm this would do on numerous levels.

  317. “Wait … Bush was not lecturing you when his words were identical to the dude who was lecturing you?”

    Sure. Do you have any equivalent examples? Obama is engaged in relativism and, as I said (fuck you tune out half of everything), seeking like you atonement of sins committed by others at a different time. Fuck him.

    Doesn’t the “before you get on your high horse. . . ” mean anything to you? Why are you drawn to this?

    More importantly, you seem to think it is the role of a president to lecture. WTF is that all about? And how do you reconcile that with your statements about not defining one’s faith? To coin a phrase, from whence does his authority to a play moral arbiter of his constituency’s religion stem? His race?

    Moreover, why can’t you just admit the selfish political agenda behind it? Whatever the context, do you really think the statements from Bush et al were the same? If so, I say you’re lying to yourself.

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  318. BTW, DR makes he point in asking for reversed roles. You ought to try the thought experiments of reversing roles in relation to what Obama has given himself permission to speak about. It’s what Tex did with the Nazis.

  319. if they believe they worship the same God then they DO. it’s all about BELIEF.

    :facepalm: There’s a lot you don’t get when it comes to faith. Did you ever hear of the blind men and the elephant story?

  320. “To do that with any authority is have to be a scholar of Islam.” -R

    So you are telling me, that you, a Harvard grad, can only safely say Islam is monotheistic and nothing more?

    Yet you find it cool to nonchalantly jump right into a discussion of the Holy Trinity, one of the most challenging theological concepts in all of Christianity?

    I actually knew you would do that. Lol!

    So..back to Islam…montothiestic…. That’s all you or anyone else should describe Islam that isn’t a “scholar” (what ever the fuck that means).

    Holy shit this stupid.

  321. “Tigre serious question, how do you suppose the peace ring story went so far from reality, coming from reputable sources like Reuters?”

    Hell if I know. I just learned about from you. But I don’t consider Reuters any more reputable than the other MSM outlets. In fact, you might remember that I’ve been involved in a widely reported case and can say that reporting the truth was nothing close to what was going on. I used to tell my wife when I got home that it seemed I was in the wrong courtroom again because the news (which was actually in the courtroom) reported complete fiction. Much of it was the fact that the so-called legal experts (or those speaking as though they were) didn’t have a clue what they were talking about. Reuters repeated the same bogus info.

  322. You know, Poolman. Frankly you deserve to be bitch slapped time and again.

    You help alleviate my guilt for pounding your head like a tent stake when you get flippant and smart aleck. I just asked you a legitimate question, respectfully, and you’ve got to be some drip in response. Why should I ever show you an ounce of respect when it obvious you’re such a punk? You kind of remind me of Muslims, Poolman. The only thing they understand is to be bloodied. You ought to ruminate on that. It’s your worst quality, perhaps explaining why trouble follows you. The last thing you need is to be known as a blowhard too. 😉

    Like that’s even possible… but here you go. Jews and Muslims believe they worship the same God, that being the God of Abraham. In theory, as I said, even Christians worship that same God.

    I don’t know where you got Jews or Muslims believe that. I know several Jews and I’ve never heard one of them who believed that allah was the Jewish God. And I can only assume Muslims must not believe that either or they wouldn’t be calling Jews to be born of pigs and monkeys. I think that’s the politically correct line of phony peacemakers pablum. Jews would consider Mohammad in line with Baal worship. That’s just a line of hooey.

    But the reason as Christian I know they aren’t one and the same, directly from the Old Testament, is the Jewish God is a personal God. Can you give me one example where Allah has ever directed some initiative to a man? Not even Mohammad to the best of my knowledge claimed to have spoken to allah.

    Where are you guys getting this garbage. That’s MSM idiocy – like Rutherford trying to talk Christian theology. It doesn’t work.

  323. Rutherford, where did you get this new anti intellectual take on all things Muslim?

    Is this the new MSNBC joint?

    How convenient.

    The entire globe is being savaged by people professing to be Muslim and a lot of people are starting to question the left’s moral relativism as well as Islam as a whole and rrrrrrrrrrrabbit drum roll…..you say don’t even look at Islam….you…we…..me….can’t understand it maaaaaan.

    You aren’t being a huge coward, are you?

    According to Rutherford…Islam is so esoteric maaaaan. Its like the numbers of Kabbalah. Or the 9th stage of Scientology where Tom Cruise tells his darkest secrets on a tape recorder and then gets the secret pass word.

  324. Having spent some time with European women, bathing every day is unfortunately pretty much only an American thing.

    I remember I would go spend 96 hours with this girl in Iceland and I was shocked she would never shower. Disgusted actually. She thought I was crazy. But she would reluctantly go shower if I bugged her enough.

    I have dry heaved performing cunnilingus on more then one occasion.

    British are also not as clean as we are. The bo that permeates any mass transit system is unmistakable arm pit funk of plain old not showering.

    Now the lack of brushing teeth…gross.

  325. Tex, the pocket full of liberty piece is of course dead on. I know you and I have said the same thing for years. Here’s a primo example of it — and if you have a single brain cell you have got to silently mouth answers to the questions that put right back on the twit that’s fishing:

  326. Rutherford always thinks we’re talking code when we speak of Christ. I guess in some ways it is that way. Like losing your virginity, it has to be experienced. Of course I mean in the proper setting and between husband and wife. 🙂 I forget how dense you are, Tex. My ‘Like that’s even possible’ refers to your ‘putting Jesus aside for a moment’, seeing as that isn’t possible to someone who is true to the faith. As for the God worshiped, Let I Am be Judge. He goes by many names. He created ALL for His purpose and His glory. Some for noble purpose and others for destruction. But I have found good fruit within all 3 ‘religions’ we mention. And plenty of rotten too. That is what we are tasked to judge. Tares and wheat. Hydrogen bombs fuck the entire crop.

  327. Rutherford, my questions about your “calling bullshit” were no rhetorical.

    Hate to disappoint but I’m not delving into the archives to prove my point. I stand by my original impression. You’re more than welcome to provide past quotes of your eye rolling at cries of Jewish victimization. I will gladly retract my comment if you provide such examples.

  328. “I stand by my original impression. You’re more than welcome to provide past quotes of your eye rolling at cries of Jewish victimization. I will gladly retract my comment if you provide such examples.”

    Then fuck you. You’re not only wrong, you’re a fucking liar.

    Muffy, again, enjoy Rutherford’s dossier. Held in the mental archives of a child.

  329. You’re not only wrong, you’re a fucking liar.

    How can an impression be a lie? I may be mistaken but I’m hardly lying. If I were lying, I’d remember your rolling your eyes at Jewish victimization and claim I didn’t.

    I’m not lying. I don’t recall you EVER rolling your eyes at cries of Jewish victimization on this blog. Obviously I don’t know what you say outside of this blog.

  330. I especially love the part where Imam Tex educates the bar on what Muslims do and don’t believe–because he’s so knowledgeable about the topic of Islam and stuff

    DR, the only reason the Holy Trinity is complicated is because it has to try so hard to get people to believe it isn’t the polytheism it is. Homoousia, puullllease….. Let’s have Rabbi Tex teach us all about what Jews think of that horseshit.

  331. Rutherford, I am sticking by my initial impressions. All I asked was for context and you can’t do that. I suspect your strange belief that not denouncing BiBi is the same thing. Again, the thinking of a child. If you’re saying, as I think you are, my comments about my approval of Israel defending itself in response to rocket attacks, mean that I cannot hold Jews to the same standards as blacks, your as big of an idiot as I think you are.

    Now the context of my negative comments was in the context of special treatment in the employment context and a stubbornness to pursue measures designed for lasting peace (which is not a Jewish thing as little mind like yours conflates), it is an Israel/Palestinian/Hamas thing. You can’t even distinguish domestic social ills as being different for blacks than Jews. Instead, you demand that they both be denounced for the same reasons to disprove with a false claim of inconsistency. And of course, this all to prove how racist we are when in fact it is your anti-Semitism that motivates claim that we must join you in your bigoted rhetoric. That’s my impression and if you can dig through the archives to disprove it, I will continue to hold it.

    See how that works?

  332. We stood in a crowd in late June to celebrate the Queen’s birthday. The odor was pungent. I could tell you gross stories about teeth, but I won’t. The French and Italians also had an odor in crowds. The Dutch, Swiss and Germans, not so much.

    An ongoing experiment is studying Fins, Estonians, and northwest Russians because they are genetically the same uralik people. Fins have more alergies than Estonians, and Estonians are more allerglic than Russians. The allergies are inversely proportional to the living standards. Estonians are getting richer and they have more allergies. The richer folk keep their houses cleaner, and fewer of them own farm animals.

  333. Its possible Brian Williams was a jerk with co- workers waiting to knife him at the first sign of weakness. Or maybe not. As it was, he was a cash cow in a competitive business, and his bosses overlooked things.

    My guess is management got scared when the public began to react, because they were afraid of losing their investment. Tom Brokaw is rumored to have recommended that Williams be suspended

  334. I especially love the part where Imam Tex educates the bar on what Muslims do and don’t believe–because he’s so knowledgeable about the topic of Islam and stuff

    Anybody that quotes the hand picked successor of the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as reliable, is not credible and should be summarily mocked for abject stupidity. Here’s your moment to shine, sweet thing. Why don’t you tell me where I’m wrong? I guarantee the blue helmet, part-time substitute teacher well into the mid career can’t and won’t.

    DR, the only reason the Holy Trinity is complicated is because it has to try so hard to get people to believe it isn’t the polytheism it is. Homoousia, puullllease….. Let’s have Rabbi Tex teach us all about what Jews think of that horseshit.

    If there’s anything you know less about than science, math and economics, it’s Judaism and Christianity. As village idiot assistant of the U.N. Human Rights Council, Rutherford makes you look incompetent when broaching the subject. Here’s your fun fact for the day, scholar. The word Elohim is plural…now you figure it out, Einstein. I’ll save you the trouble. It’s Old Testament, Book 1, Chapter 1; it’s singular form says “let us make man” plural.

    You won’t have a clue to what I’m talking about, but ask a Jew who is Melchizedek and they too are going to have a real difficult time explaining monotheism by your idiot standards. You won’t get that either. Go back to 4th Tier U. and have them explain it to you from the other unemployable scholars you frequent.

    Allahu Snackbar…

  335. I forget how dense you are, Tex. My ‘Like that’s even possible’ refers to your ‘putting Jesus aside for a moment’, seeing as that isn’t possible to someone who is true to the faith.

    LOL. Unbelievable. Honestly, Mickey the Mutt is more intelligent than you. It’s a wonder you can find you way back to the computer from the church pantry. You’re no more a Christian than Obama. 😈 His is for political expediency. Yours is for the handout.

    It is a well established fact here Poolman, you and Blue Helmet Huck are the intellectual puppets of the galactic blog universe. Real deep thinkers. And you never did answer my question, Schmuck. You know why?

    Because you’re stupid.

  336. Rutherford, how can you be so easily misled by Poolman of all people? Is it because he spoons feeds another dummy what he wants to read? That article is utter pablum. It’s rank propaganda, it’s puppetry for the imbeciles. Like this…

    Adolph Hitler professed to be a Christian, and churches in Nazi Germany mainly supported the Nazis.

    How could you be so historically illiterate? One of the very first things Adolph Hitler did when he came to power was to persecute the churches. The “Christian” imprisoned and persecuted nuns. Does that read like somebody that’s Christian? Good gawd, man. Have you ever heard of this guy? Why don’t you read up so you won’t be so incredibly illiterate.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=dietrich+bonhoeffer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Let me tell you about Poolman, the “Christian.” Have you noticed Poolman mouths all the “fundamentalist” lines, then not two posts later condemns Christian fundamentalists – whatever you think that means? How many times do I have to explain Poolman’s psychosis to you before you’ll finally recognize it?

    We all know Poolman is a nut and a turd. But Poolman is a fraud; Poolman is oikophobic; Poolman is a leech. Poolman’s entire sustenance is based upon that which he professes to hate. This man doesn’t love the church. He hates it. He’s no different than these negroes who hate America and yet would be dead of starvation with government assistance.

    Come on, I know you can do better than that.

  337. People are corrupted in all kinds of ways. For Hucking…give him a “cultural experience”, Chicken Shawrma with Tahini Sauce and some fake ass acceptance….and Hucking:s all yours. He will make an utter fool of himself defending your honor.

    I knew Hucking was a sobbing emotional crank over this Islam stuff the day he was desperately sticking to the argument that a Christian equivalent to modern Islamic terror exists. He came up with some cannibals deep in the jungles of Uganda. I researched Lord’s Resistance Army and hilariously found out at one point they converted to Islam. So, even this anomaly didn’t work!

    He was told of all those great times during the Umayyad Caliphate and sees himself as some great dhimmi scribe jizzzing while paying the jizra tax.

    Lawrance of California….inmuk shatamuta!

  338. Thanks Poolman. I think I have forgiven them. I just gloat and use past encounters as a guide. Most people like that are flawed and they carry the seeds of their own downfall. All one has to do is watch,.

    I contributed to the destruction of two heavily moderated liberal message boards with private message features while re-fighting an old battle in my head. I warned them, because I knew they wouldn’t understand and they would be irritated.. I got people banned and found allies to go after the rest. Removing the leading lights is like beheading a chicken.

    Pfessor, Craig, someone else (maybe one of Tex’s characters?), and I defeated the grannies. We drove them from the field and dominated the discussion until we tired of it. The last time I checked several months ago, the site was virtually empty. They did it to themselves. They must be demoralized by current events.

    Betsy’s Page links to vox.com with 38 maps that explain Europe. It would be good for a high school history of government class–or here.

    Joey Logano won at Daytona yesterday. Two years ago, Joe Gibb Racing fired him. Another owner rebuilt his confidence and gave him another chance. There you go.

  339. Tigre, that cartoon made me laugh out loud. You sure that wasn’t a real conversation? When I think of how positively low the Democratic Party has sunk these days, besides Obama I look at Biden, Kerry and this Barf girl as spokesperson of all things.

    This is how I know most Democrats are simply stupid and juvenile – the utter depravity of the mindset.

  340. I knew Hucking was a sobbing emotional crank over this Islam stuff the day he was desperately sticking to the argument that a Christian equivalent to modern Islamic terror exists.

    Yeah, besides being a “questionable” Islamic scholar, the one thing “the crank” and that is a bullseye description desperately needs to leave elsewhere, is explaining Christianity. 🙄 Small example – the polytheist faith. I guess Huck knows something Jesus didn’t when The Christ said this…amongst at least 50 other similarities:

    “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Al-Huckhad doesn’t even grasp the most basic pronouncement of the New Testament and the Four Gospels.

    Graduating with a Masters degree with honors from the University of Taqiyya and Kitman may fly high down at Hamas City, CA, and Hollywood – the other side of America, not so much.

  341. More because the thread is too long in my viewer…
    1.Monotheism and the Trinity are not contradictory.
    2.All the Abrahammics are monotheistic.
    3.Obamas failure as a leader is what rubs people the wrong way about his “lecturing”. R the POTUS is supposed to be the #1 cheerleader. That doesn’t mean the POTUS can’t tell us things we may find unpleasant but there are ways and times to do it. Obama consistently fails at this.
    4. Technically the Abrahammics are “rooted” in the same “God” its just with each progression there are very solid tweaks. Hebrew God of Genesis & OT, Christians buy into that but believe in the Messiah,Christ and further believe other prophets to come are likely false,Jews don’t buy into Christ. Muslims buy into God and believe and revere Christ as a prophet but don’t buy the Resurrection and that it took another Prophet…Mo to show the final truth. Muslims do not view Christians as polytheists secondary to the Trinity.
    5. My times in England I did not find them to be unhygienic. I’ve always heard the teeth thing was at least partly rooted in the NHS not covering dental. I always found the Tube to be as good or better in the olfactory sense to NYC or the T in Boston.

  342. “Great article Poolman. I wish the others would read it. Just confirms what I already felt.”

    That article was so full of holes I can only describe the article as a pack of lies. Want me to be more specific Rutherford?

    First though, how about you put a little effort into this and tell us what you found so “great? about it? What confirms what you already “felt.”

    PS…it’s pretty easy to talk about your fees. People get pais lots of money to listen. They’re called therapists. What exactly did you find so affirming?

  343. It’s a good thing we have Tex to decide who is and isn’t righteous in their particular brand of worship. 🙄 He’s presented opportunity to sample his piousness. 😆 Obviously his god too small and can’t get out of that box he keeps him in. 🙂 “Back in my church days… ahh, yes. Ignorance is bliss, I dub thee:
    Bliss Tex – the Chappy Crusader

    What say you Bliss? Can a Baptist convert to Catholicism?

    http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do

  344. @ Rutherford try this one:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788
    The points offered by Waleed El-Ansary are quite good. I think Jenkins is too invested in something else. I don’t know what exactly. I personally don’t care much for scholarly review of faith outside a pure historical approach. Even though Jenkins is a history professor perhaps that is what bothers me about him.I find some of his history to be quite off,very religion nostalgia stuff that way too many Christians of all denominations are into. Blah!

  345. Poolman, it takes a great deal of my energy to work up even insulting you anymore. It’s too easy and you’re too transparently pathetic, perhaps even beyond Margaret and Helen pathetic.

    I can’t even work up the energy to swat you away anymore like the vectored parasite you are. I wish this were our last conversation or you would fly into the cosmos somewhere back to Chatty Kitchen.

    Even my detractors here, I can work up some interest to do battle – you bore the hell out of me. You ooze discontent all the time, then lecture me with gospel. And that too all too obvious – you make for a poor TV evangelist in leisure suit, you fricking bumpkin and thief.

    I used to believe you a simpleton playing Pharisaical; then I realized your not sane nor even rational, and even more alarming, proud of it. You belong in asylum.

    What’s more, unbeknownst to a dimwit like you, that belief is virtually universal – that is, that you’re a borderline moron that likes to hear himself “talk” and truth be known an angry man blaming his many failures on everybody else – whether it the “system”, or “subliminal Simpson messages”, or “insect drones”, or Jews hiding in your yard to torment you. What I didn’t realize until last night which removed the last bastion of hope I had for you, is your also a relativist incapable of deciphering right from wrong. No wonder you hate Israel – you’re not much different than the inbred enemies of Israel. All you lack is the brass ones to kill.

    The only thing left to determine is how far your delusions, and how deep the psychosis. All I know is, you’re a very sick man whose wife is doing her spouse no favors by not seeking professional help, telling me she’s probably either helpless or hapless too. If I am wrong about her seeking help for your psychological maladies, I apologize in advance. If I’m not, she’s as sick as you are and probably between the dysfunctional nature of both spouses, creates a synergistic influence leading to a now multi-generational train wreck of a failed home.

    You don’t like that kind of talk, bite me.

  346. Imagine Barack Obama as American President in 1939.

    (excerpt)

    “Here let me just say that we must never fall into the trap of blaming the German people abroad, but especially our German community here at home. National Socialism by no means has anything to do with socialism. These terrorists are desperate for legitimacy, and all of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups like the SS somehow represent socialism because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist narrative. It is true that America and Germany have a complicated history, but there is no clash of civilizations. The notion that the America would be at war with Germany is an ugly lie.

    “So make no mistake about it: National Socialism has nothing to do with Germany or the German people but is rather a violent extremist organization that has perverted the culture of Germany. It is an extremist ideology that thrives on the joblessness of Germany and can be best opposed by the international community going to the root of German unemployment and economic hard times. Let us not confuse Nazism with legitimate expressions of German nationalism. Stiff-arm saluting and jack boots are legitimate tenets of Germanism, and the German Brotherhood, for example, is a largely peaceful organization.

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/fdr-as-bho/

  347. “The points offered by Waleed El-Ansary are quite good. I think Jenkins is too invested in something else. I don’t know what exactly. I personally don’t care much for scholarly review of faith outside a pure historical approach. Even though Jenkins is a history professor perhaps that is what bothers me about him.I find some of his history to be quite off,very religion nostalgia stuff that way too many Christians of all denominations are into. Blah!”

    Much more balanced, much less absurd than Jenkins unchecked. El-Ansary’s points are well taken. Jenkins should be fired, which means we’ll be seeing professor emeritus in his byline eventually. Unfortunately the article is also long. I’ll bump finishing it up above the Atlantic one but the bills need to be paid first.

    And FWIW Rutherford owes you.

    R – no need to answer my charge from earlier today. Alfie saved you the trouble.

    I’m not going to deal with Jenkins too much. I can work with El-Ansary somewhat.

    So Obama’s prayer breakfast remarks are pure Jenkins. And it further illustrates why the smuggest of them all warning US not to be smug is so much gall and not much else. How can he even see my high horse from up there? Mofo’s on a giraffe.

    What I want to know now is why the hell Obama would be channeling Jenkins at a prayer breakfast? Maybe Obama should just stay home if that’s the way he feels about it.

    I’ll ask this now also – why are we talking about the violence written about in the Bible? Because we’re done talking about black history?

  348. Alfie, we never had any problems with the tubes, buses or trains in the UK either. We rode them in all seasons. However, as I wrote the crowd standing on the street to wish the Queen a happy birthday smelled like something besides roses. Those summer crowds were the only time we noticed the odor.

    Maybe the National Health Service had something to do with it. I don’t know, but we saw some teeth bad enough to gag a maggot.

    I’m not casting aspersions on the Brits because even with the transplanted Scandinavians in my genes who had moved to the UK I am mostly Brit.

    I don’t trust many of our history professors to think themselves out of a plastic bag. Too many are leftist ideologues.

    Black history is so February. We’ve punched that ticket. Onward!

  349. Poolman, it takes a great deal of my energy to work up even insulting you anymore.

    Then save it. It’s all a bunch of hooey anyway. I wouldn’t want to be your excuse for not being productive, whatever that looks like. 🙄

  350. The article I posted linked the same article Alfie posted with much of the content and without the ridiculous intro. I see why it got instant credibility. 🙄

    Drive. That. Lie. Home.

  351. What I want to know now is why the hell Obama would be channeling Jenkins at a prayer breakfast? Maybe Obama should just stay home if that’s the way he feels about it.

    What I want to know is why you haven’t noticed I said early in this discussion “wrong place wrong time” about the prayer breakfast. I also floated a theory I heard that Obama dislikes the prayer breakfast and uses it to poke people in the eye.

    Tradition dictates he can’t just blow it off. Maybe a good time for that old “separation of church and state” eh Muffy?

  352. Poolman I too noticed the overlapping content but Alfie’s article was a bit more balanced. I don’t think his refutes yours at all and unless I missed something ALL of the experts were academics.

    I love college grads who become enlightened and declare academia a grand fraud. Shame to think all the money Muffy’s parents wasted on her education.

  353. And then you spend all of your time defending it. . . well trying to.

    No trouble working you into a lather.

    You’re too much Rutherford.

  354. Rutherford I see you MSNBC going to town on Walker for not answering whether he thinks Obama is Christian. What do you think about that?

  355. Tigre two things. The question (Christian or not) is getting old and is simply designed to make the recipient of the question look like an idiot. It’s lazy “journalism”.

    Second, politically, Walker would have been better served to just say “yeah he’s Christian” but I LOVE Walker throwing the question back in the reporters face and saying “I don’t know if you guys are Christian”. LOL

    He got flack for it but I liked the answer. He didn’t handle the love of country one nearly as well.

    For that one Rubio won the prize.

    Even you have to admit questioning the pres’s religion or patriotism is gratuitously self destructive. Rudy has nothing to lose. The others need to be more careful.

  356. “I love college grads who become enlightened and declare academia a grand fraud. Shame to think all the money Muffy’s parents wasted on her education.”

    Um, what? Is this in response to something I wrote?

    What makes you think my education is wasted?

    Is your education wasted?

    “What I want to know is why you haven’t noticed I said early in this discussion “wrong place wrong time” about the prayer breakfast. I also floated a theory I heard that Obama dislikes the prayer breakfast and uses it to poke people in the eye.

    Tradition dictates he can’t just blow it off. Maybe a good time for that old “separation of church and state” eh Muffy?”

    Well something sure crawled up Rutherford’s butt and died.

    I noticed. So what?

    What is it that you think you know about me and the issue of separation of church and state?

  357. “Second, politically, Walker would have been better served to just say “yeah he’s Christian””

    What if, like you, he doesn’t think so. He’s better served by a press that insists he lie? That’s fucking Orwellian.

    Here comes the press. Serving its self-appointed role.

  358. “I also floated a theory I heard that Obama dislikes the prayer breakfast and uses it to poke people in the eye.

    Tradition dictates he can’t just blow it off.”

    I agree that he was probably just being an asshole.

  359. He’s better served by a press that insists he lie? That’s fucking Orwellian.

    Who is talking about how the press serves Walker? What serves Walker is political survival and “Donald Trump talk” is the opposite of political survival.

    Now, you might ask are WE served better by a press that demands a lie from the candidate. No, we are not. Ideally the press should ask the question and WE should evaluate the answer. But I think you’ve noticed there ain’t much distance between reporting and the OP-ED page lately.

  360. Jenkins should be fired, which means we’ll be seeing professor emeritus in his byline eventually.

    Muffy I smelled anti-academia there. Perhaps it was my upper lip.

    What is it that you think you know about me and the issue of separation of church and state?

    Guilt by association I guess. You belong to the cabal inhabited by Tex, Tigre, DR etal who like to lecture me on the Christian origins of our country and how the founders never intended to separate church and state to the degree that I (and many atheists) would like it. Notice that I separated myself syntactically from “many atheists” since I am not one. 😉

  361. Oh and to the question of whether my parents wasted their money on my education, the resounding answer is yes. It shall be a source of shame till my demise how I resided at one of the greatest educational institutions in the world and took advantage of 1% of the available resources, if that much.

  362. Apparently there is some rumbling to try to bring down O’Reilly ala Williams, instigated by “Mother Jones”. One problem … Williams claimed to be a journalist. Bill makes no such claim.

  363. One last thought before I call it a day.

    Back in 2008 if you had asked “who will be a host on The View, Sarah Palin or her handler Nicole Wallace?” I think the answer would have been obvious. At least this time, Sarah has the last laugh.

  364. “Who is talking about how the press serves Walker? What serves Walker is political survival and “Donald Trump talk” is the opposite of political survival.”

    Stop it. Whatever the contortion, the point obtains. The “right answer” (for the press, you, we, whomever) will always be to fall in line and support the “Image of Obama” or suffer the wrath. It’s a sickness.

    This isn’t about “Donald Trump talk.” Even you don’t think Obama is a Christian yet you acknowledge his “political survival” requires that he say otherwise. Playing along with the thought police is just part of the game is something that no one should casually accept.

    This manipulative media shit is insanity. Incredibly fucked up.

    And the Obama machinery just laughs at how easy it is to release the mindless hounds.

  365. “One problem … Williams claimed to be a journalist. Bill makes no such claim.”

    The other problem is the accusations are demonstrably and irrefutably false. Really pathetic.

    BTW, O’Reilly was a “journalist” at the time of his report 30 years ago.

  366. “You belong to the cabal inhabited by Tex, Tigre, DR etal who like to lecture me on the Christian origins of our country and how the founders never intended to separate church and state to the degree that I (and many atheists) would like it.”

    Rutherford, you don’t even understand what the term means.

    I guess everything sounds like lecture when you don’t care.

  367. David Corn and Mother Jones tried tit for tat with an accusation that Bill O’Reilly was lying about the violence he saw in Buenos Aires during the Falklands War. Dan Rather’s 1982 news report appears to support Bill’s story. The major news organizations have not paid much more attention to this story than they did about the NAAC’s false charge that their headquarters was bombed by white racists in Colorado.

    This video shows what really happened. Ostriches and a crowd possessed by birds attacked O’Reilly and his cameraman.

  368. So, I’ve gone back aways and stopped right about here:

    “A large part of the problem is the fact that Muslims are slaughtering people as an expression of their religion.”

    And they [Muslims] are doing that because they [Muslims] are judging how those people [everyone else] interpret and practice their [Muslims?] beliefs. Take away the judgement and you take away the actions based on those judgements.” – Huck

    Huck, I need your help on this. What do you mean by judgment and could you give me an example of Muslim reciprocity based on this said judgment? I’m not following…

  369. O’Reilly had video dragged out of archives that proved what was said about him was an outright lie.

    The fucking left.

  370. [What if, like you, he doesn’t think so. He’s better served by a press that insists he lie? That’s fucking Orwellian.]

    It’s only Obamaian…that’s the guy’s M.O. – platitudes.

  371. And then you write a lengthy comment insulting him. LOL Tex you are too much

    Well, it did take some wasted energy to do that. 🙂 Come on, Rutherford. I know you well enough that if you spoke real truth here instead of measuring your words so you can keep the bar open to everyone and not have a bunch of noisy hooligans like me, Tigre, DR, and Muffy as your only patrons, your opinions of the secular nature of that “lengthy” insult wouldn’t be much different.

    You could have chosen the same path that the delusional, paranoid pantry generational thief did, would have had even better cover as minority to do so, and chose not to. Why? Because most decent people have a sense of shame, a sense of personal responsibility, and a bit of pride.

    He doesn’t.

  372. “Tigre, on the “press serves”, read the second half of my comment which you conveniently ignored.”

    I rad your comment thoroughly. You kinda get it and mostly you don’t. The press is beholden to Obama. The article Tex linked said it as simply as possible. I’m sure you didn’t read it (frankly you’re one of them anyway).

    Look. The majority of the population doesn’t think that Obama is a Christian. The majority of people in this country that think he’s Muslim are democrats or independents. I suspect that most people don’t really give a flying fuck. It’s beyond dispute that he lies about his deeply held beliefs (e.g. gay marriage, his upbringing and influences etc. — if you don’t know what I’m talking about, read his own bullshit biography).

    So what exactly is the press driving at do you think? Go on. You know. They’re carrying out their marching orders. An incredible distraction from all of Obama’s public failings of late no less. Walker didn’t raise the issue, the press did. And now I’ve heard the typical claims of racism from your beloved MSNBC based on his failure to do you want you think was the right move politically. Gawd.

    You can read what I said again or forget it. Your efforts to correct the point are, as you say, white noise. I think the others understand the point precisely.

  373. Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Robert McDonald admitted that he falsely claimed to be an Army Special Forces soldier when he wasn’t. Will we see another outcry? Not unless conservatives make it an issue.

    Tehran may get the bomb in a phased plan.

    We may be facing Obamanet.

    The Department of Homeland Security says it doesn’t know of any immediate plans to bomb shopping malls. This appears to be another Democratic plot to scare citizens as they stonewall to let an impasse over funding Obama’s amnesty lead to diminished funding for our security agency.

    The democrats care so little for us that they would risk placing us in danger in the same manner that they wanted our soldiers and Iraqis to die for political advantage. They showed the same disregard for us when the refused to let WW!! veterans visit their monument.

    Another polio outbreak is possible as more foreigners come from countries where the disease still exists.

    I believe, Rutherford, Poolman, and Pfessor either voted for Obama or threw their votes away. Why did you so dislike your own country that you would help such awful people into power? If you were fooled, the least you could do would be to read more of what the rest of us recommend since we were right and you were wrong. I’m waiting for a little redemption.

  374. I offered the link for context and credibility, original direct sourcing. Pools you have a lot of gall criticizing my comment since your history is what it is. You link to what you link to due to your delusions and agenda. Providing people a free & clear shot at information is not your mo. You make them wade into sites like Creighton and Stromfront lite VT. which is pretty shitty way to get to a real link original source item.
    As for my displeasure of Jenkins it is most deeply rooted in his book on WW1 although his entire body of work is a waste of time in my opinion. The WW1 one is demonstrably fictitious and revisionist in its positions

  375. I thought this a good read – a fair read, about Islam, Islamists/ISIS, moderate Muslims like most of those living in America. Something for everyone. I found it thought proving and informational. Some of this I didn’t know, though I am vaguely aware of many of the players mentioned.

    It helped make sense of much of what I see happening.

    I would be interested in Gorilla’s take if he gets the chance. It is a rather long read for a periodical.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

  376. @Tex

    Sir, before the guardians of the separation of church and state call for your resignation as captain of the cabal against said separation I feel I should mention that the Atlantic article has indeed resonated here.

    Sincerely,
    2nd Lieutenant Muffy

  377. Did I say I believed him? I said what his “public position” is. I chose my words deliberately. And, as usual, you chose to interpret rather than read.

    PRECEDED BY:

    Who stated this and what exactly did they say?

    To my knowledge, Iran has never admitted it is seeking to build “the bomb”. It claims the exact opposite. To state it would use it offensively is a tacit admission that it is building it.

    Because in reading that for the fourth time now, you appear quite the apologist as you jump up to take the proxy of ‘Supreme’s Leader’s’ position. Perhaps you need to state your own personal positions much clearer then, AlHuckerster – as I find you frequently doing exactly what you accuse Rutherford of doing.

    Speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    So I’ll ask you one time very clearly where than can be no misinterpretation of your position. You need not do nuance – a simple yes or no will suffice. Do you think Iran, proxy to global terrorism, declared destroyer of Jews, on an abundantly clear path to hegemony, should be allowed to produce and house fissile material (weapons grade uranium and plutonium)?

  378. Sorry Lieutenant Ms. Muffy,

    I was gone for three days and did not see that reference above. I find as Christian that article most enlightening – especially the apocalyptic part and how Muhammad took both the Books of Daniel and The Revelation to twist it to his liking. 🙂 Whether they choose to believe Jesus or not, I wish our unbelieving brothers and sister at least understood the origins of Muhammad’s ‘holy’ book. It would help them along the way.

    For the Christian, this age is interesting to live as I watch the prophetic nature of Christianity pass before my eyes.

    I wonder if our secular friends here would be interested to know just how closely what is happening ties to a predicted book of ‘myths’ of Judeo-Christian eschatology from 2,000-2,500 years ago – including the very countries that will come against Israel in climax.

  379. “Sorry Lieutenant Ms. Muffy,”

    I had hoped to rob Rutherford of the opportunity to pounce. There’s been little discussion of the article due to its length (hence “been there, done that” hardly applies). I myself stopped right at the passages leading to the apocalypse. Too heavy for me at the minute.

    As always your thoughts are appreciated.

  380. I see the same thing Raji.

    A Pew survey shows that liberals do not love their country in the same way as conservatives. They love more what the US could be instead of what it is. They tend not to believe we are an exceptional nation. That fits what Guilanni said about Obama. We told you so.

    We also know liberals don’t especially like or care about the military. We have proven it here on this blog. We also know progs don’t care much about Americans except when it is time to harvest votes or money from them. Holman Jenkins wrote that by vetoing the Keystone Pipeline as greenies coordinate (Energy Monitor Sept 2014) efforts to ban other pipelines show a disregard fo the welfare of Americans.

    Jobs denied is one issue, but more importantly is the risk oil trains pose to anyone living near a railroad track.The oil train accident which killed 47 in Canada was just a more spectacular example of what is happening regularly.If all of the rail cars carrying crude oil were on on train it would be 17 miles long each day.

    Kevin Williamson wrote that the left is trying to block every major piece of energy infrastructure in the country to weaken the oil and gas industries so that the price of energy will rise high enough to make solar and wind energy affordable. They don’t care about the poverty and economic dislocations such efforts would impose on US citizens just as they actually hoped more people would die in Iraq so they could win an election. Slow Bleed was aptly named..

    We see the same thing in Obama’s lack of a coherent strategy or recognition that we are fighting a religious war.

    As Sofia Jannok noted, we are being ruled by an occupying regime which is imposing a foreign ideology and economic theory imported from Europe.

    I am judging them as simplistically and as harshly as the Democrats, including Obama judge their political enemies. I might have to look for an old copy of “None Dare Call it Treason.”

  381. James, what we would call treason and theft, in Democratic circles is referred to as radical transformation and redistribution or fairness; of course, the latter never applies to Leftist Plutocrats.

    I still contend that when I used to debate with the insufferable hypocrite Graychin, with Graychin a big proponent of Europe’s healthcare and such at the very time Europe has been so severely weakened for all to see, Obama is still pushing the European model of entitlement and appeasement as the righteous path to milk and honey.

    If that’s not treason and/or abject stupidity, I don’t know what is.

  382. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone along with James and Tex. It’s hard to believe no one else has posted since yesterday. That has to be a first.

  383. Yeah things slowed down a bit. No worries all I need to do is throw a Molotov cocktail and we should get a comment or two.

    How is Israel not a Jewish version of a caliphate?

  384. How is Israel not a Jewish version of a caliphate?

    I admit many times finding many of your conclusions so inane, there is the 45/55 chance that question was asked in all seriousness even preceded by the Molotov cocktail.

    I suppose you think I’ll take your bait, don’t you? 🙂

  385. I’ll bite or at least nibble. Israel has no intent or real ability to spread externally. I’d also say that Zionism is more about the state and Jews instead of Judaism. A Caliphate is expansionist and is more strongly grounded in theocracy.
    Going deeper just in case you care. Islam is very specific about what it takes for there to be a legit caliph and caliphate and it actually supports Muslims supporting a nation in non theocratic form.

  386. Anybody a little more than concerned about a man that will determine what constitutes ‘net neutrality’ being bankrolled by Soros, believing he has the authority to refuse to appear before Congress, and was a large Obama campaign bundler nominated by President Feckless himself? The travesty kind of writes itself.

    America going to just stand around with our collective thumbs in our arses letting these jackboots get away with it? I keep hoping one step further and it will enthuse the masses to break out the tar and pitchforks, followed by a first class public hanging of a couple of Obama officials.

    Truly Orwellian what America has become as I’ve reached middle age.

  387. Alfie, I’m sorry to be thick but you’ve lost me:

    <

    blockquote> A Caliphate is expansionist and is more strongly grounded in theocracy. but then you say:

    <

    blockquote>
    Islam is very specific about what it takes for there to be a legit caliph and caliphate and it actually supports Muslims supporting a nation in non theocratic form. Aren’t these two statements contradictory?

  388. @Rutherford no. The first part is my opinion based on some study and juggling in my mind of historic precedents. The second chunk is based in Islamic scholar stuff aimed specifically at how ISIL isn’t a legit caliphate

  389. “Are you shittin’ me Tigre?”

    And announced that she’s pregnant too. Said she wants better America for her child.

  390. Get the damn snow under control please. The Lawson’s are taking a six day vacation driving down to Florida for a gymnastics meet. I WAS looking forward to warmer weather.

    Don’t fuck with me Mother Nature!

  391. LOL No the i3 could never make the trip. Not enough fast charging infrastructure to get from here to there. We’ll be taking the super-polluting Toyota Sienna, Al Gore be damned.

  392. Since your US Geography ain’t so good, I wonder if you know that the distance from Atlanta to Miami is not too different from the distance between Atlanta and New York.

    Aren’t you scared about driving in the deep south, Hoke? If you gotta make water, you better not stop on the side of the road. And if they ask, be sure your Old Lady doesn’t tell ’em she’s a Jew. We don’t care for your type much down here. 😆

  393. Shit, the Sienna has a pretty damn efficient engine actually. Those are good vehicles.

    Does it have a video player so your daughter can watch Michael Moore movies to pass the time?

  394. Does it have a video player so your daughter can watch Michael Moore movies to pass the time?

    ** GUFFAW ** Deep father daughter discussions of Farenheit 9/11. Damn, I wish I could go along.

    Speaking of the Obama Economy, the first picture of article is funny enough. For all you young dupes who thought Obama was cool and college where it’s at…like you JAL Densico:

    What Happens to You Immediately After You Graduate from College 😈

    http://www.vice.com/read/heres-what-happens-to-you-immediately-after-you-graduate-university-303?utm_source=vicetwitterus

    The first picture blurb for Hulk is funny enough.

  395. Then you’ll See Rock City.

    Shit. You’d practically have to try and avoid the ATL if you’re hitting Chattanooga.

    Better cover those Obama 2016 and PFLAG stickers. I suggest you go incognito with a “These Colors Don’t Run” and “I [heart] Waterboarding.”

  396. I spent Christmas vacations in St Petersburg during my teens. Treasure Island, actually. Good times. I love seafood, one drawback of living landlocked. You can get fresh seafood here, but it costs and sometimes ‘fresh’ is debatable. Of course we got much better Mexican food here. I recently discovered I like Shwarma too. Now, it must be dinner time cos my stomach’s rumbling.

    73 on the back patio James 5:11pm 🙂

  397. Then you’ll See Rock City.

    Yeah my wife corrected me. We will be going thru the Hotlanta area. I know states pretty well with respect to one another (pretty well) but I don’t know shit about the internals. I thought mistakenly that Atlanta would be too far East for us to hit it.

  398. For real, if you need any suggestions for pit stops, shoot me an email.

    Thanks. Hell I mentioned just getting a picture of the Grand Ole Opry as we go through Nashville and I got a dirty look. My wife is more interested in making good time than being touristy. LOL

    The real kicker will be packing clothes for two different seasons. 70’s in FL this weekend. In the teens here when we head out.

    I’ve already decided this trip will either cure me or kill me vis-a-vis my sad-ass lungs.

  399. Have some fun on your trip, Rutherford. I’m jealous. Nashville is actually an interesting town. You ought to drive through and sneak a peek at Dollyville…

    Rule #1…

    Rule #1 for my kids is be safe. 😉

  400. By the way, Dollyville is my cute little euphemism for ‘Dollywood.’ Massive complex. Haven’t been there in years, but had a fun weekend there on a business trip a few times. The Southern Belles will keep you wanting for more.

  401. “I wonder if you know that the distance from Atlanta to Miami is not too different from the distance between Atlanta and New York.”

  402. Ah Tigre, thanks for bringing back memories of the deep South. Apparently nothing has changed since I’ve left especially statements like “If you gotta make water, you better not stop on the side of the road” 😆

    Way back when, I needed a ride home to Tennessee from college which was in Atlanta. I asked a friend who was a lab tech if he could give me a ride home. The problem was he was a young black male and driving through the back roads in the South. I had a choice which was either ride in the back seat or dive down to the floor board when we went through small towns. I’m not so sure times have changed so watch your step R!!!

  403. David 1, Goliath 0

    WASHINGTON — Senior Republicans conceded on Tuesday that the grueling fight with President Obama over the regulation of Internet service appears over, with the president and an army of Internet activists victorious.

    The Federal Communications Commission is expected on Thursday to approve regulating Internet service like a public utility, prohibiting companies from paying for faster lanes on the Internet. While the two Democratic commissioners are negotiating over technical details, they are widely expected to side with the Democratic chairman, Tom Wheeler, against the two Republican commissioners.

  404. George Soros/Obama Campaign Bundler/Barack Obama 1, American public 0

    You’re fucked in the head if you think that net neutrality is anything other than more government control, which can easily be used to suppress expression.

    Scary there are people who believe themselves ‘highly intelligent’ after seven years of Obama as President, that still haven’t figured out the man is a fascist at heart and a control freak, or perhaps they themselves would like to see America knocked down a few notches. 😐 When even the sympathetic White House press is telling you this is the most controlling, manipulative administration since Richard Nixon – and gets away with things Nixon red with envy, you would like to believe the general public would take note.

  405. Raji, I was just goofing with Rutherford. He’s got nothing to worry about driving through the South. His stereotypes are pure bullshit. I’m a Yankee, a damned Yankee. Rutherford’s cartoon imagery is the height of ignorance and naiveté.

    I love her to death, but my highly educated sister-in-law from Long Island refuses to come down here for the same reasons. She lives in a bubble too.

    Shit. Growing up in Boston I was exposed to the racial and ethnic intolerance of any place I’ve ever been. No joke. Nothing like it. And of course Atlanta is as tolerant as they get. Rutherford probably doesn’t know we’ve got the second largest gay population after SF and a huge immigrant Hispanic and Asian population to boot. I he stopped in town he could go visit his communist friends at CNN.

    Most places in GA are more Mayberry than Hazzard. And the places that are more Hazzard aren’t too different than the towns in Western Massachusetts and upstate NY. A redneck is a redneck.

    Rutherford, you know how to reach your Cousin Vinney if something comes up. Just don’t admit we ever “met” before I got there. Not only would I die of embarrassment, they might cut off the best comfort food and BBQ you ever had before I ruined the party.

  406. Raji, you’re in favor of net neutrality? Really? FCC taking over the net? Wow. I’m really surprised you see it as a Davy Goliath victory. A total disaster in my opinion.

  407. Tigre, apparently these pro net neutrality people have far more faith in those who are determining what is “neutral” than you and I do. More government intervention is a good thing – always; and George Soros and Obama campaign bundlers? The purest of hearts with the purest of motives.

    If you like your healthcare, you can keep your healthcare true believers.

  408. Raji, you’re in favor of net neutrality? Really?

    Let’s just say I’m stirring up the pot. Instead of attacking what I do or not believe, let’s hear why you are not in favor of net neutrality or why you may be in favor. I think there are many levels involved in the decision and the FCC snuck in with the concept of “prohibiting companies from paying for faster lanes…” which makes them look like the good guys whereas it is just the beginning of regulation. Is the alternative the only answer?

  409. Raji, you consider yourself a critical thinker? Right?

    Riddle me this. Why is The Obama administration NOT LETTING the public see its 332 page net neutrality plan until after the FCC voted on its implementation?

  410. You know, Raji. Perhaps one of the reasons that you and I clash so frequently and you find me hostile, is I frequently find your suggestions of “stirring the pot” not so much conversation starters, but invidious and leading in nature. 😐 i.e, David 1, Goliath 0.

    And though there is a very fine line frequently in the two vantage points, there is a world of difference in the motivation that precedes each.

  411. Raji, I am not attacking you. I am truly surprised.

    I don’t have time for a tome. So you get bullets.

    -The FCC is not independent. It is an extension of the administration and will act accordingly.

    -While, as a consumer, I do hate the large quasi monopoly broadband providers. But as it stands, there doesn’t seem to be a problem with people accessing any content they want.

    -These large providers have the right incentives and resources to continue technological advances in service development. Remove those incentives, and we’ll come to a stand still. The small guys aren’t going to string lines and develop hardware because they can’t. The government sure as hell won’t.

    The regulatory labyrinth and controls, as they do in every industry, will crush the smaller providers. The cost of compliance is astronomical and, again, deter investment in broadband networks making things worse.

    Regulatory system has no appropriate oversight for abuse. Look at the EPA and DHS with Obamacare. This equals abuse and unchecked advancement of political agendas that unquestionably jeopardize freedom of content. Conversely, Congress writing rules concerning internet technology is absurd.

    -It will put in place mechanisms for cronyism and favoritism in regulatory structures.

    -There is no “it’s just a start” with a scheme like this. Once in place you have an eternal piece of shit because the systems are built around it.

    -Here comes new mislabeled tax.

    -Did I mention the hardly independent FFC government control over media?

    Raji, gotta turn my attention to something else. Your turn.

  412. suggestions of “stirring the pot” not so much conversation starters, but invidious and leading in nature. 😐 i.e, David 1, Goliath 0 – Tex

    I can see why you think that. However what I threw out there was information received from family members and I was curious what all of you would think. I actually had not paid a whole lot of attention to the pros and cons of net neutrality. Not sure I consider myself a “critical thinker” just an inquisitive thinker.

    Thanks Tigre for your reply. I agree with your basic premise but am not sure what the answer is. Eventually someone is going to get control. Should I even dare to compare the WWW with big PHARM?

  413. The net represents a jumble of thought that doesn’t fit together. No matter how this plays out the net is not free by any definition. It is controlled thoroughly. Whether more regulations and fees come to it I’d say is inevitable.

  414. I’m too busy to more than scan the posts. Thanks Poolman. Two inches of heavy wet snow fall in an hour and a half yesterday and the 32 degree temperature became 10 at sunset with blowing snow and wind gusts to 40MPH.

    It is 5 degrees now with a 20 to 30 MPH wind. Our low tonight may be as low as -15. I am still home to be sure our pipes don’t freeze tonight.

    I oppose Net Neutrality because it sounds like the Affordable Health Care Act. Vote for it to see its contents. The creators have earned a reputation as liars. I wouldn’t buy a used car from those people.

  415. Alfie, I’m not all that well informed (nor is Congress apparently), but I think the net neutrality/FCC control is a fix to problem that don’t exist yet. I am nevr in favor of more government intrusion unless it’s truly necessary and I don’t see that it is.

    As my friend Iowahawk says, “if it ain’t broke, break it.”

    Talk to me Raji. Don’t just “throw it out there.” I tried to give you my shorthand response. You David and Goliathed us. If Goliath is the big providers, why aren’t the feds?

  416. “Oh, he flap around some but he’ll be alright.”

    😆 😆 😆

    In case anyone here didn’t know it, My Cousin Vinny is the greatest movie ever made. Ever. He got that “mud in his tires” too.

    Rural South can be a real trip. I wish R was driving that electric Beemer and deviate from his highways though. The looks he’d get wheeling through a small town square in that Incredible Mr. Been mobile would be fucking priceless.

  417. Anytime the government wants to get involved we lose. This isn’t the ‘protector’ we put in place. This is the ‘force’ that took over. There is no ‘good for the people’, only ‘control of the herd’.

    Get a grip!

  418. 5 degrees! Brrr. That’s pretty chilly, James. We are going to go through a ‘cooling trend’ of our own, they say. But they are talking sixties for daytime highs. Right now we are a cool 76 on the back patio. Mrs poolman has the house open and is puttering in the front yard with plants and patio stones. I’m supposed to be working on some designs and invoicing. Just taking a break. Found out I’m gonna be a grandpa again. Maybe I’ll get a grand daughter this time around. We’ll see. Stay warm and healthy!

    I hear it’s pretty chilly right now in Atlanta. You couldn’t pay me enough to live anywhere frigid like Michigan or Illinois.

  419. Yesterday, about 55 and slight breeze. Today, 25 and wind gusting out of the North. You guys and gals remember a large part of the AGW’s argument for reasoning the world is getting warmer is the seasons were getting shorter.

    Granted, the azaleas were blooming in late February in 2012 when it is generally the first week in April. But last year, it was the first week in April, right on typical schedule.

    So my question to the existential threat of global warming is, what gives? Did the ArchAngel Obama intervene and wave his magic wand to cool the earth like he did lower the gas prices to $2.00?

  420. ET yeah I’m not a fan of the govt regulations gig either. I do think we’re walking into a storm though regards content and service providers creators etc

  421. There are those that think the recent ruling on net neutrality is a win for “We the people” therefore the reference to David with Goliath representing the conglomerates like Time Warner et al. The FCC is the slingshot and the rock is the legislation .

    There is no win. As Alfie said it is inevitable that regulations and fees will follow regardless of who is in control.

  422. Okay, so you’re spinach then? I gotta get that booger image out of my mind. I see you as a frozen spinach leaf with pop eyes. 1,2,3, image set. Got it.

  423. So Rutherford how’d you like it if the GOP majority Senate “nuclear options” the DHS funding thing?
    It’s good to see the suck bucket Harry “these tourists smell” Reid is all cool now with filibusters.

  424. -20 this morning.

    I wrote that a major reason I opposed the Net Neutrality decision was that those in the administration favoring it are liars, and we don’t know the content of the regulations. Well, Sec. of State John Kerry said we are at a long time low for terrorism. Then, Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper said 2014 was the most dangerous year in the 45 years since records started. Director of the FBI James Comey said the FBI is investigating suspected ISIS supporters in all 50 states.

    Is Kerry lying about the JV team or does he actually believe the manure he shoveled. What aren’t they telling us about the Net Neutrality scheme which will surface later as with Obama Care?

  425. This video by Lexi a Romanian singer shows better than words what our band of fascistic socialists is doing to our country., No one who watches this video can deny the truth of what I wrote.

    The Department of Health and Human Services with the cooperation of the Treasury Department paid three billion dollars to health insurers without permission or authorization of Congress,.

    Judicial Watch reports that “From the very first moments of the terrorist attack on the US compound in Benghazi on September 11, 2012, then secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her top aides were advised that the compound was under a terrorist attack. In fact, less than two hours into the attack, they were told that the al-Qaeda affiliate in Libya, Ansar al Sharia had claimed responsibility.” Hillary and Obama lied about the video.

    You rolled your eyes when I wrote that Obama should be impeached and Hillary driven from office. Of course, the attempts would have failed because most Americans are dumber and more ignorant than the people who frequent here. At least we have that as we watch our country morph in front of us.

  426. Rough translation: “The calendar pages are turning, but I am going no where. You have locked me in a prison which shrinks with the melting spring snow. What comes around goes around, but nothing comes around for me. I don’t hate you today, but maybe tomorrow when i retake what is mine.”

    They are singing from an indigenious perspective, but it can be applied to the “Slow Bleed” this regime is imposing on our country.

  427. “The Department of Health and Human Services with the cooperation of the Treasury Department paid three billion dollars to health insurers without permission or authorization of Congress,.”-James

    Doesn’t surprise me. Our insurance premiums can not begin to cover the cost of health care. My recent sojourn getting a hip replacement cost $71,416.00 for a two day stay and that did not include the orthopedic surgeon or the anesthesiologist’s bills.

  428. @ James I would take away something else from DNI Clapper,FBI Comey and Gen.Dempseys words.
    The state wants We the People to be afraid and pliant. 2014 saw sensationalism try to railroad reality.

  429. My recent sojourn getting a hip replacement cost $71,416.00 for a two day stay and that did not include the orthopedic surgeon or the anesthesiologist’s bills.

    Paid, or billed? Good Lord, I wonder what they’ll bill for these two knee replacements I am supposed to get?

  430. Have fun, Rutherford.
    You make sense, alfie its how we tame cattle.

    I’m not bragging when I write I have only spent four days in a hospital since the service. The last time was in 1986. My medical bills are too small to mention. I am not bragging, I am appreciating what most of you endure and how tough you sound. My aunt said growing old isn’t for sissies.

    Sometimes, I realize what a fool I am for taking my wife’s and my health for granted.

    I’m late because I talked on the phone for two hours. I need to get to Omaha.

  431. James, until this visit my last time in a hospital was early 1980’s and I have had no medical bills to speak of. Once you pass 70 it’s seems all down hill from there. I probably should have had the replacement 3 or 4 years ago. The current medical world is quite a shocker especially in the CYA department. I will say though I have never experienced such courtesy and kindness from the hospital and it’s staff. It’s like a whole new PR world.

  432. Y’all come back now.

    We will on the way back home. 🙂

    Tigre, the only white member of my entourage is the most paranoid. My wife told our kid not to dally in getting from our Tennessee hotel to the car. LOL I chuckled.

  433. I must misunderstand net neutrality. I thought the whole idea was that folks had equal access to all web sites and that the owners of web sites would never have to pay extra to be accessible to the public.

    I thought net neutrality aligned with freedom of speech. What am I getting wrong?

  434. Well for starters you’re thinking like a 20th century or relier kind of guy.. The internets claim to free speech and ergo 1st amendment is clouded in how it is a product accessed via a contractual arrangement.
    We think about the net in the wrong century terms. it is one of the reasons treating it like a utility is actually a ham fisted approach.

  435. So far the biggest surprise was Louisville Kentucky which we didn’t stop in but drove through. Looked like friggin Stamford, CT. I honestly didn’t picture any city in Kentucky looking that “cityfied”.

  436. “So far the biggest surprise was Louisville Kentucky which we didn’t stop in but drove through. Looked like friggin Stamford, CT. I honestly didn’t picture any city in Kentucky looking that “cityfied”.”

    Yeah, it might look like that. But they don’t use beautiful language like “rhetorically proximate.” That only comes from intellectual powerhouses like Stamford Connecticut. 🙄

  437. So we have in excess of 600 comments and you go on vacation?

    While you’re avoiding the KKK (rooted in IL by the way), any chance a new thread could be created?

  438. I really like this guy…one of the best going IMO. (excerpt)

    Regarding Islamic violence — the greatest world evil since Nazism and Communism — the president of the United States, his administration, and the left generally live in a make-believe world, a world of denial. In their world, Islam is today, and has always been, a religion of peace; Muslims are threatened by Islamophobia; Christians are wiped out by “violent extremists;” European cartoonists incite radical Muslims to murder them; fundamentalists of all religions are equally problematic; the hundreds of millions of Muslims who support violent Islamists have nothing to do with Islam, but the Inquisition was conducted by normative Christians; and slavery was defended in the name of Christ, but no mention is made of the far more ubiquitous (and ongoing) slavery in the name of Allah or of the fact that the movement to abolish slavery in the West was due entirely to Christians. Nothing better reflects those Orwellian beliefs than President Barack Obama’s speech last week at the conclusion of the absurdly named Summit on Countering Violent Extremism.

    http://www.dennisprager.com/the-president-and-violent-extremism/

  439. Now we know why all those Lois Lerner emails were so hard to locate in a timely fashion. How convenient. The investigator was blind – not figuratively; literally. 😈 They don’t even try to hide the corruption anymore.

  440. “My wife told our kid not to dally in getting from our Tennessee hotel to the car.”

    Funny thing is the Rutherford types play off rural America as the ignorant ones. Sheer fucking ignorance. And to think Rutherford’s daughter is being taught this crap (we know why).

    Man…. Instilling her with irrational fear….that actually bothers me.

    Mean while the Rutherford’s are coming from the Chicago…where black people ARE being murdered almost every day!

    Dumb fucking liberals.

  441. DR, like with Tex, I’d laugh if it weren’t so pathetic. Satisfied with their arrogance and ignorance thinking themselves worldly because. . . that’s what they tell themselves.

    Rutherford Vespucci will return to Chicago, the black Auschwitz, thinking he narrowly escaped a lynching too.

  442. You guys need a life. Damn you’re stupid. If you really think I don’t know that parts of Chicago are ten times more dangerous than Chattanooga then you’re profoundly stupid OR you’re just having the usual fun at my expense.

    P.S. I thought my wife’s reaction was amusing.

  443. Rutherford the context of the “dally” comment reads a little weird. Not for nothing im more concerned someone under 70 uses dally 😃
    Mosul op on hold btw reports say.
    Enjoy your trip and shut the phone off

  444. Then what were you trying to communicate?

    Rutherford, you haven’t accurately described anything about the South, ever. And you have claimed backwards, racist, ignorant and intolerant. Like my peeps from back home, you have done so in a backwards, racist, ignorant and intolerant manner and you are gonna be ragged for it.

  445. “And you have declared it backwards, racist, ignorant and intolerant.”

    Alfie’s right. Turn off your phone (after you create an open thread), and enjoy and explore your surroundings.

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