Blunt Talk About Vaccinations

Just when we thought worrying about diseases such as smallpox, measles and polio were behind us, measles has made a comeback in the USA. The primary reason is the superstition among some very concerned parents that vaccines cause autism.

The doctor most responsible for “documenting” the link between vaccines and autism is no longer a doctor and his study has been completely discredited.

Diseases for which there is no known conclusive cause such as autism and Alzheimer’s leave people desperately clinging to any explanation that can make them feel in control. “Professionals” who exploit this feeling of uncertainty and helplessness with bogus explanations are reprehensible.

With that said, there are those who simply will not accept the difference between correlation and causality. For those people, magicians (and debunkers) Penn and Teller assume the worst about the vaccine/autism connection and still make a strong (and graphic) argument for getting your kids vaccinated.

Warning: the following video may seem insensitive to sincere parents who only want the best for their children but sometimes it takes bluntness to get us out of our dream world.

 

What do you think? The bar is open.

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588 thoughts on “Blunt Talk About Vaccinations

  1. Remember the big seat belt controversy? “But what if my car goes into the water, and my seat belt holds me in and I drown? If I’m not belted in, I have a chance of being ‘thrown clear.'” I’ve seen some of those “thrown clear” lying on the thoroughfares. A mess, really.

    The real question is, “What are your child’s chances with vaccination, and without?,” and “What are your rights to make your own decisions, and those of your unemancipated minor children, and how do those rights balance against those of others your kids will expose?”

  2. I love it. The Jordanian king cut his trip the US to attend to the execution of his pilot. Nice to see a world leader react in such a strong way. If you cut the head off an American citizen our king barely makes it off the golf course for a five minute press conference, let alone cancel his entire vacation. But on the up side, you never know if you might get a shout-out at the memorial.

    Just kidding. You have to be a black victim to bask in the king’s celebrity.

  3. You can see above why many public schools were forced to make vaccinations mandatory for children to attend – one of the very few things public schools engage in that I agree with and find absolutely necessary.

  4. “Tigre any reason why you couldn’t just praise the Jordanian King and leave it at that? You’re such a hater dude.”

    Oh. So sorry to disparage your messiah. I guess it isn’t striking then. . .

  5. The remarkable thing about you Rutherford is that you can’t see Obama for the arrogant divider and shallow faux celebrity he is even after 7 years. You hold him to zero standards — all while the middle east burns and you applaud Jordon’s response never questioning what the fuck is wrong with Obama. Seriously, you are as stubborn and blind about the piece of shit as Poolman is about his conspiracies.

  6. Hey. Through Axelrod, Obama claims Romney’s acquiescence call in 2012 was racist. Does this shit ever end with you guys?

  7. “So here’s a way to put Gitmo to use. Next time ISIL kills an American we kill a Gitmo detainee.”

    Nope. We don’t do that. Keep Gitmo open and throw the fuckers in there.

    Alas, that is a pipe dream. We open the doors, exchange deserters for dangerous fucks that return to fight/terrorize, so Obama can claim a political victory before leaving office.

    Honestly, why do you throw this out there. You think they all deserve habeas rights. Now you talk tough about summarily executing them? How many ISIL detainees are at Gitmo?

  8. How many ISIL detainees are at Gitmo?

    Yeah that’s the gaping hole in the idea. We’d be executing folks having nothing to do with ISIL.

    Oh well, I’d like to see us get tougher in some exotic ways we haven’t tried before. Some way of fighting fire with fire.

    Despite Rabbits assessment of Japan, I’m still waiting for them to do some diabolical shit on ISIL.

  9. G, you’re right.

    Tex my apologies. It seems to be an odd bug in my iPhone WP app that has G’s web site attached to some of your posts. But when I look at the actual site or go into site admin without the app everything is normal.

    I tell you this WP app leaves a lot to be desired.

  10. You know how I feel, R.

    I’m thankful for the Jordanian king beginning to come to his senses, but I wish about 60MM Americans and their feckless President would come to theirs.

    I don’t even believe in an eye-for-an-eye with these sick bastards because I don’t think it works – it inspires them. I don’t mean to sound like a sadistic bastard or some John Wayne wannabee, but I’m for making the promise you kill one of ours, I’ll kill 10,000 of you – your kids, your wife, your mother, your father, your neighbor, your homosexual boyfriend, your goats – no matter. I’ll kill them all. And be prepared to DO IT! I’ll make videos on YouTube of your screams in agony with us yelling USA in the background wearing #1 big fingers.

    I don’t know how much more it takes for Americans to realize that you’re not dealing with rational individuals, those who understand only one thing. FORCE. This isn’t Nazi Germany – this is the Shinto religion on steroids – these mofos believe their righteous and doing Allah’s will. Nothing is more dangerous. We’re going to lose by a thousand cuts if we aren’t prepared to kill by the thousands. No more of this door-to-door chit. Neighborhoods. They’re slowly bleeding us to death – and they got all the time in the world.

    We got to get mean; we got to get nasty – brutal in a sense most people dare not even contemplate. My way would not meet with the approval of the bleeding heart crowd and all the cosmopolitan politicians, as the political correctness would get me a life sentence. I’d hear talk of I’m no better and stupid chit like that.

    We sanitize WWII for our history books – but this is exactly what America did. We killed them and showed no mercy until they crawled out of the hole begging to surrender. We fire bombed every city. We burned them down with flamethrowers. We didn’t bring most of them back for trial – we shot them in the field.

    Until we’re prepared to fight like this, I fully expect this to go on until they bankrupt us and break our will. Frankly, America is so soft, I don’t know if she can do it until something cataclysmic befalls us. Then you watch what happens when Americans finally grow tired of the dimwits. But thousands will have lost their lives and millions will live in fear until it comes to this.

  11. “You’re such a hater dude.” -R

    Yeah dude. You’re such a hater dude. Hatin on the president’s absolute failure in the world, dude.

  12. Got to love Obama’s world.

    8 years ago Rutherford was squealing about how America is a country ran by rule of law. Darth Cheney’s Gitmo must be closed and the terrorists must be given the Constitutional rights of an American.

    Now he calls for tit for tat executions.

  13. “We open the doors, exchange deserters for dangerous fucks that return to fight/terrorize, so Obama can claim a political victory before leaving office.”-T

    No dude. You didn’t hear the administration? Bergdahl (sic?) served with honor and distinction!

    Low life cunts in office tried to pass that load of shit on us! Can you believe how low Obama will go? How low?????

    I do disagree with one thing. I don’t think we should discriminate between Al Queda and ISIS, outside of tactics. One in the same.

  14. “Frankly, America is so soft, I don’t know if she can do it until something cataclysmic befalls us. Then you watch what happens when Americans finally grow tired of the dimwits. But thousands will have lost their lives and millions will live in fear until it comes to this.”

    Damn skippy. That’s really the refrain from the short piece I linked to that America no longer has what it takes to win a war. We’re a country of Rutherfords, applying pussifed sensibilities to the stink beards; concerned we might offend the “good ones.”

    I must add too that when Rutherford starts talking tough it sounds so. . . so. . . well. . .kinda. . . gay. He’s the one that was calling snipers cold-blooded murderers for cryin’ out loud. Rutherford’s instincts are always wrong. We need to rethink this. Ruthrford tough talk is like your drunk girlfriend picking a fight with the biggest dude at the bar for you to handle.

    Violence should only be used against the real enemy: white male conservative Americans. The ones that are responsible for Giffords, Sandy Hook, dead postal workers, Ferguson, MSNBC. . .MSNBC. . . MSNBC. . . blah, blah, blah. Lets get our priorities in order. And for God’s sake, don’t be hatin’ on Obama.

  15. “Yeah that’s the gaping hole in the idea. We’d be executing folks having nothing to do with ISIL.”

    I don’t care if we execute the mofos. I just think it would be a reward for ISIL to see AQ get whacked.

  16. “Low life cunts in office tried to pass that load of shit on us! Can you believe how low Obama will go? How low?????”

    It has no limits. The fucking guy lies about everything all the time because the media does not require him to account for any of it. Look, Pajamaboy is worried that my comments are rhetorically proximate to hatin’ on his Black Jesus.

  17. ISIS is Al Queda in Iraq. Same group.

    Jordan killed two Al Queda stink beards today, actually.

    Like all groups, there will always be internal factions and squabbles. When we’re talking about stink beards, that means they will kill one another at times becuase, well, they are barbaric stink beards of course.

    But…they are one in the same. The woman ISIS wanted released (the stink beard bitch the Jordanians killed today) was Al Queda.

    There will be other internal fueds in the future. Keep your eye on the ball. Kill ‘um all.

  18. “I must add too that when Rutherford starts talking tough it sounds so. . . so. . . well. . .kinda. . . gay. ”

    Lol….

  19. Got to love Obama’s world.

    8 years ago Rutherford was squealing about how America is a country ran by rule of law. Darth Cheney’s Gitmo must be closed and the terrorists must be given the Constitutional rights of an American.

    First of all, how is that Obamas world? That’s me you’re talking about, not Obama.

    Second, as usual, you exaggerate. I’ve never given much of a fig about Gitmo. I’ve said two things primarily.

    1) If a detainee is a criminal then he should be treated like one – charged, tried, convicted and punished.
    2) If a detainee is a POW then what is the war, who was it declared on and what are the terms of surrender that govern the disposition of the POWs?

    That doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. And it doesn’t make me a close-Gitmo fanatic.

    Hell I don’t even care about the “it gives them reason to hate us” anymore. They’ll find any excuse to hate us.

  20. Gee, I wonder what happens when congress says “no.” Oh yeah. They’re mean old white guys keeping you from prosperity and goodies ’cause they’re. . .well. . . mean.

    Tigre your comments are becoming rhetorically proximate to Muffy’s. LOL

  21. Rabbit I’m curious why are you so obsessed on this theme of “a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist”? I’d be interested to know if G thinks the differences matter in how we defeat them.

  22. While we’re on the topic of my gayness, seriously could any of you tough guys explain this to me:

    What kind of pussification is going on where guys have their wife/girlfriend call to do their business while they stand right there?

    Me: May I have your name please?
    Caller: I’m Cindy. I’m calling for my boyfriend John.
    Me: Is John there with you?
    Caller: Yes.
    Me: Could you put him on the phone please?

    WTF??? I understand telling your wife to call a business while you’re at work cos you’re too busy. But I don’t get having her do it while you’re standing right there.

    I know it’s sexist but I get it when a guy gets on the phone because he thinks his wife won’t be taken seriously. But I’ll be goddammed if I understand these guys having their women speak for them. I wanna tell the guys when they get on the phone, “hey fella, get some BALLS!!”

  23. Tex I haven’t seen the whole segment yet but Jon Stewart apparently ran a pro-inoculation sketch last night, oblivious to the RFK interview he did years ago.

    Hypocrisy or amnesia?

  24. Hey. Through Axelrod, Obama claims Romney’s acquiescence call in 2012 was racist.

    Mitt’s body man (gofer) says he was with Romney when the call was made and Axelrod is outright lying.

  25. “Rabbit I’m curious why are you so obsessed on this theme of “a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist”?”

    Obsessed is a little strong of a word.

    That being said, a few things bug me. For one, I’m sick of the “ISIS is worse then Al Queda” garbage. No, Al Queda put planes in the Twin Towers. Doesn’t get more fucked up then that. What makes ISIS seem worse is the fact Obama allowed Al Queda to get their own state. Repeat…..ISIS is Al Queda with land. So….yeah….look how bad that is. Exactly how we all would have predicted September 12th, 2001.

    Secondly, we are not at war with specific factions. Sure, we have to awknowledge that their are factions when we fight them on a tactical level.

    But, ultimately a stink beard is a stink beard is a stink beard.

    America needs to wake up and realize we are in a clash of civilizations and in outright war with 20% of Islam. We are at war with Sunni jihadists. All of them. All. Of. Them.

    Differentiating their petty little factions has the potential for us to lose sight of an important reality.

    And yes…just like Jordan, we should deal with Al Queda and ISIS as one entity.

  26. You guys aren’t taking that obvious fake burning person video as real? Oh, who am I kidding? 🙄 You guys BELEEEVE the teevee. 😆 Such bad commercials yet you’re still buying the goods. :facepalm: As Tom Hanks famously said, stupid is as stupid does 🙂

  27. Rutherford, been reading your classics from 2009.

    Blogs….comments.

    How you were sure Obama and the moderate Muslims were going team up and stop terrorism becuase…well….Obama is awesome and stuff.

    One a scale of 1 to 10…ten being the worst…..how wrong do you think you were about the nature of the world in 2009?

  28. Awwww…..poolman is having a hard time with the burning video.

    Poor widdle pooman…..he’s going to just tell himself it isn’t real. He always makes the bad people go in the time out room.

    So cute when the 50 something makes all the bad people go bye bye.

    Poolman…its OK little fellah. Your brain never developed the right way. You go ahead and make your safe place.

  29. The special effects aren’t very professionally done. Curious thing is I think that is left that way on purpose. But it really reveals how gullible muricans are… But then I guess students can’t expect to be any brighter than their teachers. 😛

  30. “Tigre your comments are becoming rhetorically proximate to Muffy’s. LOL”

    I consider that a compliment. Though you don’t see it because you’re the object of her scorn, Muffy’s comments are sharp. If you had any sense you wouldn’t dismiss them so readily.

    DR, apparently you weren’t listening. Obama has AQ on the run. 🙄

    Imagine that. Axelrod and Obama lying about Romney’s being racist. Big shock. A man of character attacked by two inscrutable lying douche bags. Do you ever get tired of being played?

  31. I remember just a few weeks ago we were at war with 1% of the Muslim population, and I showed then how mathematically ridiculous that claim was. 20% of the Muslim population is about 320 million people. If we were up against an enemy that large we’d get our asses kicked. We can’t even bring Afghanistan to heel and it has a population less than 1/10 that size.

    “But it really reveals how gullible muricans are”

    King Adbullah seems to think it’s pretty real, too.

    Dude is fixing to personally pilot a bombing mission against ISIS, after having quoting Clint Eastwood.

    Our people get killed and Obama holds up a fucking #hashtag then hits the links.

  32. So I’m thinking Brian “my helicopter was fired on” Williams might just be a suitable running mate for Hillary “I had to dodge sniper fire” Clinton.

  33. ISIS is Al Queda in Iraq. Same group.

    Jordan killed two Al Queda stink beards today, actually.

    Like all groups, there will always be internal factions and squabbles. When we’re talking about stink beards, that means they will kill one another at times becuase, well, they are barbaric stink beards of course.

    But…they are one in the same. The woman ISIS wanted released (the stink beard bitch the Jordanians killed today) was Al Queda.

    There will be other internal fueds in the future. Keep your eye on the ball. Kill ‘um all.” — DR

    Yes.

    “Rabbit I’m curious why are you so obsessed on this theme of “a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist”? I’d be interested to know if G thinks the differences matter in how we defeat them.” — R

    Are there differences between terrorists? Yes. Is ISIL and al-Qaida the same? Mostly. It is the same ideology but a different strategy. Zawahiri has been impacted by a couple major events, which largely influence the way he looks at jihad. A couple years ago he issued ,a href=”https://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/dr-ayman-al-e1ba93awc481hirc4ab-22general-guidelines-for-the-work-of-a-jihc481dc4ab22-en.pdf”>general guidelines for the conduct of jihad that spelled out how jihadists should act. The guidelines reflect two things: increase non-kinetic proselytization and restrict kinetic action. This is driven by the lessons learned from the Sahawa (Awakening) Movement in Iraq 2007-2010, and the Arab Spring. These two events have had a tremendous impact on Zawahiri and how he views the global jihadist movement.

    Abu Bakr Baghdadi follows the line of thinking that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi initiated in Iraq circa 2004. Zawahiri is against the sectarian violence now, and was against it then. In fact, Zawahiri wrote a letter critical of Zarqawi’s sectarian strategy in June 2005, and al-Qaida’s eventual #2 (post- UBL), but at the time al-Qaida rep to Zarqawi, Atiyah abd al-Rahamn, also wrote a letter critical of the strategy.

    So they’re both going to the same place, its just that one is taking a more bloody, violent road.

    As to your second question about differences in defeat, I believe the answer is yes. The guest post I wrote is a reflection of this belief. Listen, if Zawahiri—a hard core, lifelong jihadist bent on the death and destruction of anything not Islamic—is concerned about actions costing support and good will, there’s probably a good reason for it. Zawahiri saw al-Qaida in Iraq literally push the Sunni populace into fighting al-Qaida, which is unfathomable to someone like Zawahiri. You don’t alienate your base—that’s 101 stuff—so Zawahiri doesn’t want needless violence that could piss off the Sunni population.

    I think acknowledging that ISIL (previously al-Qaida in Iraq) IS a representative of Islam, Sunni Islam in particular, forces Muslims who do not agree with or accept ISIL’s tactics to stand up and push back to separate themselves from ISIL. By claiming that ISIL is not a representative of Islam, we give them a pass to push back by absolving them of responsibility.

    Listen, I understand what Obama is trying to do. He wants to remove “religious legitimacy” from ISIL, he’s also acting in a very PC manner in an attempt to mitigate the Islamist propaganda point that the West is at war with Islam. However, he is failing for a few reasons:

    1) He isn’t Muslim (or at least claims as much 😉 ), so he has no standing to opinionate on the tenets of Islamic jurisprudence. His opinion doesn’t matter.
    2) He looks the fool. It is obvious that ISIL is following Islam, they go out of their way to tie their actions to shuras (Quranic verses) and hadith (traditions and teachings of Muhammad). They’re applying an extreme and literal interpretation of Islam, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t Islam.
    3) It is natural for people to be repulsed by the actions of ISIL, but we’re not pushing that line. Instead, we’re allowing them to take the images and tie it to their interpretation of Islam. We don’t have to beat the Islam drum, all we have to do is point out the inhuman nature of this violence.

    When we fought the Soviets, we emphasized the failure of Communist ideology. We didn’t shy away from it, quite the opposite. So why do that now? Does the left, Obama in particular, really think that the rest of the non-Muslim world is not coming to their own conclusions to what Islam is, or isn’t?

  34. To continue from our previous discussion…

    The Browns are the latest team to face the possibility of losing a draft choice this offseason over in-game rules violations. Cleveland team executives, including GM Ray Farmer, are accused of texting then-OC Kyle Shanahan during games with suggestions of play calls. This meddling is apparently part of what prompted Mini Shanny to ask out of Cleveland.

    Atlanta is also facing punishment over allegations they pumped crowd noise into the Georgia Dome during opponents’ possessions. Interestingly, these two examples are being cited as reasons to minimize the Patriots’ latest scandal, since, you know, everyone’s cheating.

    And yet, nobody seems to be pointing out that Atlanta’s GM is former Bill Belichick protege Thomas Dimitroff, while Farmer spent four seasons working under Scott Pioli immediately prior to his move to Cleveland. Pioli, of course, worked under Belichick in Cleveland, New Jersey, and New England, and reunited with Dimitroff in Atlanta last year.

  35. Now you’re going after Atlanta? Geez. It’s starting to feel a little personal.

    Funny thing, I’ve known for years Atlanta did that. It’s obvious when you’re in the dome. Everybody I know knew it too. Frankly never occurred to me that was improper. I thought it was more of an enthusiasm builder. So now it’s a GM “cheating?”

    Now we know through guilt by association it was Belichick that brought this on.

    Gorilla please. Whoever you root for just sucks and probably cheats all the time. Quit being a hater. 😆

    BTW, you might want to be careful about your conclusions. I think you’re going to hear more about the deflategate story that don’t jive with what you think.

    In the meantime, WE are the champions and that makes me a better person than you. Suck it!

  36. G, I don’t know what to tell you other than I can’t think of any sport for you to follow that will jibe with your apparent idealism. Perhaps curling but I think even that is rife with the Machiavellian spirit that you seemingly object to.

  37. On a far more serious and perhaps critical note… G do you really believe anything the West says or does will cause a Reformation moment in Islam? Do you seriously believe publicly demeaning and bastardizing a faith is the best course of action to address global jihadists?

  38. @ Rutherford I enjoyed your topic choice and will just chime in with a few quickies that gel with it at least to some degree.
    1. Vaccines are safe and are important. Individual rights are very important but societies rights are more so and individuals have a responsibility to that.
    2. Many of the studies that applaud vaccines indeed enjoy support in one form or other from the pharmaceuticals. On the other hand the doctor who has been found to have falsified his research material and that nobody has been able to duplicate was financed by lawyers looking to sue the pharmaceuticals. No offense to the thread resident esquires but lawyers that play that way are not the founts of nobility you want in your society.
    3. Christie has chosen not to get a single GOP primary victory. In state tuition to illegals and faux populist libertarian drivel over vaccinations isn’t a strong resume. Sure he can be the first (R) to carry NJ since 1988 lol. Seriously he can’t think his positions are workable in base world.

  39. Yeah, Randy Quaid here. lol. Admit it, you’re really Orly Taitz. 😆

    Let’s review: A video showing a pilot taking a stroll in and orange jump suit to his supposed fate, surrounded by his fellow Jordanian army fellows wearing ski masks and somehow entering a cage with no door built by spot welding conduit and spray painted black. I love the placed ‘X marks the spot’. Don’t look at the camera, just hit your mark. 🙂 Then to watch a face melt like a wax. Sorry. Not buying it. One could easily bend that emt conduit and escape if one wanted. Or simply lift it, like I’m sure they did to get him inside. And then there’s that hole digging backhoe… Priceless.

  40. LOL, Culture of Corruption. Secretly, deep inside, Tigre is a liberal…

    Never dreamed I’d read that. But then G with all your football “grievances” doesn’t that make you a liberal too? 🙂

  41. I haven’t seen the video but I would think if the media wanted to galvanize public opinion they would issue a warning to viewers and then show the videos on the nightly news.

    Two things might happen. Either the public becomes hardened to it or they become so enraged that they demand action from our government.

    You can’t expect an involved populace if you don’t show them reality (or fantasy according to Pools).

  42. Alfie, I think it is Christie’s trail of minor league corruption that will do him in. Romney vetted him for VP in 2012 and he didn’t make the cut. Too much dirty laundry.

  43. Thems fightin’ words, G.

    “No offense to the thread resident esquires but lawyers that play that way are not the founts of nobility you want in your society.”

    I like the cheap crack at lawyers but not doctors. 😆 Shock. Corruption and deceit resides in all professions, including whatever the fuck it is that you do.

  44. So I’m thinking Brian “my helicopter was fired on” Williams might just be a suitable running mate for Hillary “I had to dodge sniper fire” Clinton.

    😈

    What is it with all these national “progs” making up wild stories of personal heroism and adventure? Do they honestly think soldiers, the actual real inspirational heroes, aren’t going to call them out on the lying and distorting? Have the “proggies” been inspired to do so because of the wild exaggerations of Obama’s greatness and excellent academic achievement?

    RatherGate still lives on!

    These aren’t the lies of shrewd adult thieves and charlatans. These are like juvenile lies of middle school kids. I have always thought 99% of progs were sociopaths, narcissists and pathological liars.

  45. “We need a Blue Ribbon Senate panel to look into Brian Williams’ war fibs. I nominate Hillary, John Kerry, Richard Blumenthal & Tom Harkin.” -IH

    Now I’m starting wonder whether Obama single-handedly took out bin Laden or he just “misremembered” it.

  46. Couldn’t see video from your link Poolman (probably my phone’s fault) but matters not.

    Don’t want to feed Poolman’s sickness BUT when a man is on fire doesn’t he run around like a chicken with no head? The still photos make it appear he just stood there and burned. That makes no sense to me.

    Hey Poolman, maybe the videos don’t get wide release not because of gore but because too many people would watch them and cry bullshit.

  47. Interesting, Gorilla. I’ll have to give that synopsis some thought.

    One of the difficulties of trying to delegitimize radical Islam, say unlike the Shinto religion, is that legend of Mohammad and his life is more difficult to disprove. The Japanese Emperor was alive. That’s why I believe you can’t delegitimize radical Islam without bringing in to question the legitimacy of the entire faith and its history, though that’s the 12,000lbs pink elephant everybody is trying to avoid.

    I hear it on the news every night – some “converted” terrorist has moderated his position to the religion of peace. I find the entire concept of Islam from its history of being peaceful and forward thinking to be bogus.

    On a side note, I have always thought Ayman al-Zawahiri should have been designated public Enemy #1 after 9/11. And the reason I always believed that from what read, determined al-Zawahiri was the real leader behind Al Qaeda, with UBL the financial backer – UBL the figurehead and poster boy; Ayman al-Zawahiri pulling the real strings perfectly happy to let UBL act as figurehead.

    Where UBL struck me as a borderline moron, Ayman al-Zawahiri is a lethal combination – charismatic, ruthless, and well read.

  48. I watched some months back a man claiming Christ beheaded on film, courtesy of ISIS, followed by rabid chants of Allahu Akbar. It was as sickening as it sounds.

    It was something that stuck in my mind and I determined after that I would not subject myself to viewing that kind of subhuman cruelty again. It seemed the most twisted form of voyeurism.

    Therefore, even if the video of the torched Jordanian pilot is available, I will not watch it. It’s enough to know that demons who conduct such acts must be terminated and the entire movement utterly destroyed.

    Our civilized world has become so inept, I find it almost a miracle we can keep lights on anymore. I’m completely convinced, America could not defeat Nazi Germany today. How our military and intelligence people stay sane and motivated in this environment is itself almost miraculous.

  49. ET you thoroughly misread me. Wakefield (MD) compromised his integrity by doing what he did BUT the law firm that engaged him in the hopes of lassoing a juicy class action are suspect at a minimum. I have no problems with attorneys who catch legit cases and get credible evidence to back them. “Shopping” for evidence and grooming it knowing it is questionable should disgust an attorney as much as a layman if not more.
    As for the rest of your comment I have indeed made a lot of money benefitting from folks arrogance and their ignorance of regulations,laws etc. in the area of compliance and risk management. Some would question my integrity especially given some of the rates my colleagues and I enjoyed but I can honestly say we saved people far more money.

  50. @ Rutherford he moved around a little in the “cage” and then went down to his knees gripping the bars before keeling over and assuming a very typical massive burn posture.
    Flight is indeed an innate response to being on fire but there is something to be said about how ones body resigns to the autonomic nervous system pretty quickly in cases of massive multi system trauma.
    As for distribution the web is policed and scrubbed to a degree you’d otherwise shutter to think about.

  51. “20% of the Muslim population is about 320 million people” -Hucking

    Nobody said all 20% are fighters. That’s silly talk.

    20% of Islam support stink beard killers either financially or morally. So…it is that “nation” we are at war with.

    The question is if 20% too small of s number?

  52. I don’t know what to say anymore.

    R, you didn’t see the video, you saw stills. Nonetheless you greenlight yourself to comment on what the stills “appear” to show – which you conjecture is a man remaining stoic while he burns alive.

    Have a listen to Shepard Smith describe the video –

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/03/shep-smith-jordanian-pilot-isis_n_6608124.html

    Then read the recent UN report and TRY not to politicize it and pretend that the last 7 years has not factored into the madness. I can hear you now – “would you not agree Muffy that had Bush not blah blah blah.”

    Excerpt –

    “The U.N. body, which reviewed Iraq’s record for the first time since 1998, denounced “the systematic killing of children belonging to religious and ethnic minorities by the so-called ISIL, including several cases of mass executions of boys, as well as reports of beheadings, crucifixions of children and burying children alive.”

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/02/04/mideast-crisis-children-idINKBN0L828E20150204

    ALL THE WHILE we are still playing with the insanity of not naming the enemy while masses bleed out at the hands of radical Islam. Do you even wonder how many people in Jordan were on the fence about ISIS until the pilot was burned alive?

    Shoddy FX indeed. That man is DEAD.

  53. I read you correctly Alfie. I guess I should’ve put a smiley or something because I agree. I always think it’s funny when the profession accused of dishonesty is the one cast with rooting it out and correcting it, not the one offering false testimony for payola. I love beating bullshit “experts.” But at the end of the day, they walk away with a pocket full if cash no matter the result. Medical/psychiatric professionals and valuation experts are the worst. Fortunately there’s plenty of good ones that are willing to stand up to the bad ones … For a pocket full of cash of course.

    Working from a phone. I don’t know if what i wrote is coherent.

    Oh, i watched the video. Looked like man that had accepted his fate. I didn’t see anything that made it look fake.

  54. Rabbit I’m curious why are you so obsessed on this theme of “a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist”? I’d be interested to know if G thinks the differences matter in how we defeat them.”

    I’d be interested to know why you yourself seem obsessed with the differences between factions of radical Islam.

  55. “G do you really believe anything the West says or does will cause a Reformation moment in Islam? Do you seriously believe publicly demeaning and bastardizing a faith is the best course of action to address global jihadists?” – Alfie

    No, not in the sense of what Islam is or does. However, I do think that absolving Muslims from Islamic terrorism in general prevents them from saying or doing something to reform Islam, as much as Islam can be reformed. Islam is taken as direct from God. Therefore, you cannot reinterpret the Quran, or what the agreed meaning of the shuras are. Same with hadith. The concept of ijtihad, is predominantly a Shi’a thing, and certainly is not accepted in Salafistism, let alone Hanbali or Hanafi Islam.

  56. The question is if 20% too small of s number?

    Agreed, Brother Rabbit. We’re turning a blind eye to the obvious truth. I wouldn’t doubt the number of true believers closer to 1/3 to 1/2 – though most of those are not willing to die for the cause (yet).

    Consider this headline:

    800,000 Muslims Rally Against Charlie Hebdo in Chechnya – A Country of 1.3 Million People

  57. Chit! LOL

    If we ever catch the ISIS thug who burned the heroic pilot alive, let’s pray we don’t pour a cup of water in his face. That would be cruel. ~ Actor James Woods

  58. This is the first time I have seen the blog since Sunday. Brian Williams has joined Diane Sawyer with banishment from our television set.

    Liberals, not conservatives seem to be the most fervent supporters of no vaccinations. Illegal immigrants are not helping our health care system protect us from hostile germs.

    Our economy is not thriving as it should because of current liberal policies. Progressives want us to be dependent on the government, and therefore a healthy economy defeats their purpose.

    Their policies which helped birth ISIS and other groups is also detrimental to our interests. Their record shows progressives to be our intentional or unintentional enemies. Measles are Obamaites in viral form.

  59. “One could easily bend that emt conduit and escape if one wanted. Or simply lift it, like I’m sure they did to get him inside.”

    “Escape if one wanted?” Where’s he gonna go? Fly away?

  60. “Tigre your comments are becoming rhetorically proximate to Muffy’s. LOL” Rutherford

    Yes. “LOL” indeed. Funny little man.

    I take no offense either Tigre. The derisory remark merely a stab at driving a little wedge, but failing to do so. Whoopsies.

    But the most appropriate retort that leaps to mind lately is – would you like to know to whom YOUR comments are becoming rhetorically proximate Rutherford? :smiley: :winky: :winky:

  61. The derisory remark merely a stab at driving a little wedge, but failing to do so

    Oh do please get a grip. Drive a wedge? 🙄 The comment was inspired by your and Tigre’s common love of sarcasm. I think if we ranked bar regulars on their use of sarcasm, you and Tigre would be right at the top. If anything, the comment lumps you together, not drives you apart.

    Now if I said Tigre’s comments were rhetorically proximate to Poolman’s — THAT would be driving a wedge. 😆

  62. I’d be interested to know why you yourself seem obsessed with the differences between factions of radical Islam.

    Because I think when we lump all together we lose opportunities for leverage. The enemy of my enemy can become at least temporarily my friend. Let’s say (pure conjecture) that AQ gets sufficiently pissed off at ISIL to start killing THEM. Wouldn’t it then suit us best to sit back and let the bloodbath go forward without too many losses on our side — and then attack AQ when they’re finished killing off ISIL?

    That’s my only point — differences between parts of the overall enemy might be able to be played to our advantage.

  63. I think you would be falsely assuming Rutherford that AQ and ISIS don’t have ultimately the same goals – they do, best I can tell. Kill infidels and establish a 21st century Caliphate – with a real preference to killing Christians and Jews.

    Now, the Kurds on the other hand, the group Obama has given only a token of support, are another matter. We’ve got Muslims willing to kill bad Muslims and have. We aren’t we falling over ourselves to get the Kurds weaponry and funding?

  64. Liberals, not conservatives seem to be the most fervent supporters of no vaccinations.

    James, what do you call a Libertarian? More liberal or conservative? Libertarians are big on the “government can’t tell me to inoculate my kid”. (It’s exactly what got Rand Paul in hot water before he said he didn’t say what he said.) And they are the most dangerous because the medical argument is irrelevant to them. They are arguing on anti-government principle.

  65. We aren’t we falling over ourselves to get the Kurds weaponry and funding?

    Damn good question. I think no matter how you slice it our approach to this is half-assed. We either don’t have enough skin in the game or enough money. But I am hearing a sanitized version of what I was hoping to hear about Jordan, namely “ISIL has finally fucked with the wrong country and the wrong King”.

  66. Cute, Muffy…very cute. My wife has surgery tomorrow so I won’t be around much (probably) – the female type of surgery; I guess childbirth isn’t the end of a woman’s pain and suffering. Makes me feel even more guilty – all I had to do was get a couple of wings clipped and itch a little while my “wings” healed. 🙂

    What’s ironic is I’m the one that is nervous about this surgery – anesthesia always makes me nervous when administered. This is our first surgery between either of us in almost 28 yrs of marriage – my wife worked all day and never got out of her PJs, excited the kids are coming home.

    I’ve stewed around trying to stay busy.

  67. Their policies which helped birth ISIS and other groups is also detrimental to our interests.

    James. I will tell you, Muffy’s objections be damned, that George W and his Iraq intervention are largely responsible for where we are now. I say he and Barack should split the humble pie. Obama’s “red line” is a blunder that will “live in infamy”.

  68. Tex – I’d sit with you in the waiting room if I could. As preoccupied as you are I bet we’d still get in some kind of trouble.

    Mrs Taylor will do great.

  69. Tex, my wife is seven weeks recovering from her “female surgery”. I was ten times more nervous than she was, having just lost my father last year and literally terrified I would suffer another loss to end the year. Yes I’m just that neurotic. They attempted laproscopy but had to ditch that approach when they found a mess inside — by product of busted appendix almost 8 years ago.

    She’s almost back to normal now and not in the intense pain that she was in prior to the operation. Post-op lab work revealed she had an odd variation on endometriosis that occurs BETWEEN layers of the uterine wall instead of on the outside. Causes intense pain. We were told, similar to Alzheimer’s, this malady can only be definitively diagnosed post-hysterectomy.

  70. “Unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

    Frailty, thy name is Obama.

  71. “That’s my only point — differences between parts of the overall enemy might be able to be played to our advantage.”

    Perhaps if this conflict could be fought with rhetoric.

    We’re holding in a state of utmost suspense because we have a weasel for a leader.

  72. Obama can suck my dick. The Crusades? Jim Crowe? Slavery? How about MLK? WTF is the matter with this guy and his false equivalencies? The slaughter is occurring today and he won’t call it what it is. He tries to mitigate and rationalize. The same guy that sat in the pew with Fuckface Rev. Wright. It’s breathtaking.

  73. Well, now that I’m home I see Obama’s getting plenty for his stupid lecture. But fuck. Who is this guy. A man was jut burned alive and he tells us to get off our high horse. What a fucking douche.

  74. Islam is taken as direct from God. Therefore, you cannot reinterpret the Quran, or what the agreed meaning of the shuras are.

    You lost me here G. The Bible is viewed as the word of God but civilized Christians reject anything that in 21st century seems uncivilized. Why can’t Muslims do the same?

  75. Who is this guy.

    Whether YOU like it or not he’s President of the United States (and you’re not).

    I think his RHETORIC is aimed at avoiding a religious war.

    Do you recall the efforts made by that much more deserving POTUS, George W Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 to not attack Islam, radical or otherwise?

    We can scream RADICAL, RADICAL, ISLAM, ISLAM until the cows come home. If we don’t step up the fight “what difference does it make”?

  76. Get your head out of your ass. Its because he is the fucking President that he can go fuck a post with this juvenile lecture. You needed this lecture? Really? How old are you? You actually need to be spoken to like this to keep your bearings? Fucking insulting pathetic fuckwad.

    Guess what. He needs to lecturing US about something being done ELSEWHERE and figure out how he intends to address it in a meaningful way. Jesus. Slavery and civil rights? What role did Christianity have in rectifying these injustices you dipshit. Just about everything. And he talks about not climbing on a horse.

    I think his RHETORIC is designed to do exactly what I said was. So damned offensive. You should be slapped in trying to stick up for it. Poking his finger in my chest as his response to these atrocities. THAT’S HIS RESEPONSE?????

    The role you think a president should play is just ridiculous, especially when you’re talking about an eye for an eye. I’d hit you with a rolled up newspaper if you were within reach.

  77. I read what you wrote again and just forget you wrote it. So stupid. Yeah, I remember when Bush decided it was time to engage in self-loathing to prevent a religious war. Duh. Is this what’s being spewed on MSNBC tonight?

    I’m just gong to pretend you’re not this much of a dolt.

  78. Yeah, I remember when Bush decided it was time to engage in self-loathing to prevent a religious war.

    Granted Bush didn’t give lectures on the faults of Christianity but he was damn careful what he said about Islam.

  79. Ok I’m watching TV gossip show The Insider and I FINALLY see this Brian Williams story you guys have been talking about.

    Where the hell do you find these stories? I don’t watch any of the 3 broadcast network news shows but I’ve always liked Brian Williams. Some are calling for him to be canned. I hope he survives.

  80. You lost me here G. The Bible is viewed as the word of God but civilized Christians reject anything that in 21st century seems uncivilized. Why can’t Muslims do the same?” – R

    The bible is a collection of gospels written by folks over a period of several hundred, if not a couple thousand, years. The Quran is considered the direct word of God, from God, as revealed to Muhammad. So, in Christianity you can have things like the Nicene Council debate and establish Canon law, accept and reject those gospels that would eventually make up the Bible as we know it, and debate certain philosophical and theological issues like the Arian controversy.

    Further, the Bible is used as reference in the establishment of Canon law, but the church (in this case the Roman Catholic Church) establishes the canon doctrine. So the Greek Orthodox can be different, and of course the various Protestant churches will all be different. If you don’t like what your church is teaching, you can go to another church and find something different. They all follow the teachings of Christ, and are considered Christian, but some can be very different from others (i.e. Latter Day Saints…)

    In Islam, you cannot have these things. The revelations to Muhammad are considered the direct words of God, and therefore there is nothing to consider. Reinterpreting hadith or the shuras is considered innovation, which is a heresy and is punishable by death. Salafists, which means “followers of the ancestors”, base their beliefs on the Hanbali school of Islam, and the Athari movement in particular, which rejects theology (the study of religion, Islam in this case) and follows a strict literal interpretation of Islam. Salafism can be embodied by the hadith, “The people of my own generation are the best, then those who come after them, and then those of the next generation.” (Bukhari vol.8, book 76, 437). So Salafists seek to embody and replicate the way of life of the first three generations of Islam.

    The point of all this is that those that are the source of violence in Islamic extremism predominantly come out of the Hanbali school of Islam, and it is that school of Islam that strictly rejects ijtihad (which isn’t a purely Shi’a thing, but they use it the most), which is what you would need in order to have a “reformation” in Islam. Islam is not going to reject Hanbali Islam—it is one of the four orthodox schools of jurisprudence for sharia (religious law)—so how you re-examine the tenets by which ISIL and AQ operate is going to be hard. But here’s the rub: not all Islamic radicals and terrorists are Salafists. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Lashgar-e-Jhangvi and the Taliban are Deobandis, which hail predominantly out of the Hanafi school of Islam. And I haven’t even discussed Shi’ism, or Sufism.

    I have no confidence that a “reformation” ever occurs in Islam, because Islam specifically rejects the notion. So it has to be a social movement–not a religious one–and we’re loosing that fight.

  81. Where do we find these stories?

    Everywhere but MSNBC.

    Throw him on the pile with that fake-but-accurate douche, Dan Rather.

    p.s. a movie about Rathergate called “Truth” based on Mary Mapes 100% fictionalized accounts has been shot. Guaranteed steaming pile of Hollywood liberal Pravda-quality b.s. that Rutherford will eat like a pint of Ben & Jerry’s.

  82. I agree, Rutherford, Bush also played a role in creating ISIS, but he is gone now. Obama is still in office. Bush’s contribution to the problem, in my opinion was invading Iraq when we were still fighting in Afghanistan.

    However, the surge ( I have told you before that Democrats with the Slow Bleed strategy demonstrated their desire to destroy Republican political power outweighed their patriotism and concern for our troops.) gave us a chance to create a democracy in name only but still contrasting with the neighbors. A key to our success would have been keeping troops in Iraq for at least a generation or two as we forced and cajoled a cultural change the way we did in other countries after WW11.

    It might not have worked, but we will never know. Obama forfeited after he declared the war was over and done when it wasn’t His feckless red line and otherwise failed policy in Syria even included our helping elements of ISIS before they turned on us.

    Bush at least tried to do the right thing, and I cannot imagine his reaction to a Jordanian pilot’s being burned alive would have matched Obama’s

    Ukraine is another issue Obama has ignored. We give Ukrainians food and blankets when they need tanks and air planes. Now, thanks to the Republican Congressional majority, that may change Obama may support new aid now too.

    I don’t think Obama likes our country as it is constituted. I think he still harbors hostility toward European colonialism, and he wants to destroy the middle class because his foreign socialist ideology is different from our traditional native view of the United States and the world. Therefore, Obama and his people are our enemies.

    It is possible he is dumber than a post. A test of his wit would be his reading Gorilla’s fine snort essay. It might be over his head.
    I posted a video by a Finish young woman describing the Finnish language. Rutherford liked it. A little research shows a similarity between her development and Obama’s, only she has obvious charm and talent while Obama does not.

  83. Best wishes to you and your family, Tex. I think your wife will be fine too, but it is hard now.

    Brian Williams should go, but then should a lot of other people including Hillary who dodged sniper fire in Bosnia while a girl read a poem to her on the tarmac.

    I don’t know what Williams had to do with the story, but he read it. After one of our recent mass shootings, some one found the shooter’s name with a Tea Party list. Williams read on the network that the Tea Party might be linked to the shooting when in fact it was not. If anything, the deranged man had liberal leanings.

    Williams should go, but shouldn’t the others who have committed similar sins? We are watching a double standard.

  84. Sara Maria Forsberg aka Smokahantis is just an average girl of humble origins. Before her instant fame, she worked as a store clerk. She had so little money she couldn’t afford a tripod for her camera. She used books and even a tea cup to hold the camera she used for her videos. One showing her speak gibberish in twenty or so languages went viral and attracted over 100 million hits in a couple of weeks.

    Forsberg, the lower middle class girl had achieved world wide- fame sufficient to earn her a guest spot on Ellen. Ellen took pity on Sara and gave her a tripod for her camera. It is a touching story of an unknown who made an impression on a world audience.

    Only, all is not what it seems. Foresberg’s grand father founded a retail business which now includes a chain of 43 stores. The family has money and connections. They hired a manager to help Forsberg navigate the entertainment industry. Though she is only 19, Forsberg has been a fashion model and actress. Her true love is music and she is so good a record producer compared her to Adele.

    A committee seems to have used the story of a poor girl accidently striking it rich on the internet as part of a strategy to place Sara in a position thousands of YouTube hopefuls dream of. But they have little hope of big time success because the deck is stacked to favor a few like Sara.

    She seems like a sweet girl who is grateful for all of the attention she has been getting, including a lucrative record contract. Things are falling into place for her. She is also multi talented and intelegen One the surface it looks like a coincidence, but it also looks like Obama. He also came from now where like Sarah.

  85. Computer problem. Obama also came from nowhere, and the source of his early money and support is still mysterious. Sara is talented and a search shows some of the money supporting her. Both people are creations of the media and in Obama’s case the political industry, while entertainment is creating Sara. Obama’s attitudes and hints of sympathy for Islam compared to Sara’s Baptist religious beliefs are another feature where she wins the comparison.

    Another politician did it by force of personality instead of the relative passivity of Obama and Sara.

  86. G thanks for the explanation. What would you say is the most philosophically peaceful sect of Islam and if it exists, do you still rule out their gaining more influence? Let’s face it, the Quran is not a bloodbath cover to cover. Surely there is a “branch” of Islam that cherry picks more of the “good stuff”.

    If not, then all hope is truly lost.

  87. Brian Williams has more problems. Now, it appears he lied about seeing a floating body outside of his hotel in the French Quarter after Hurricane Katrina. Tom Brokaw and other biggies doubted Williams Iraq story, and urged him not to tell it. Now Brokaw allegedly wants Williams fired. Ace of Spades predicts Williams has until next Monday or Tuesday.

    Betsys Page shows that in his way Obama is as dumb as Williams.

    Meanwhile, Drudge links to stories about the revival of Baghdad. New restaurants and night clubs are opening, and people are partying at night. One reason is the so many fundamentalists have left the city to fight for ISIS. Bombings still occur but the mood has changed. Some people think life will become more dangerous after ISIS is defeated and the fundamentalists return.

    I don’t hate Obama the way Muffy does, though I agree he is hateful. I feel more hostility for the people who put him in power. Hating such loathsome creatures is a waste of time. Making noise to expose them is time well spent.

  88. Rutherford, read the lead link to Drudge which I just quoted. Those people are surely Muslims and they are behaving as we would behave. They don’t want trouble. They want to live their lives as we do.

  89. Oh Tigre Tigre Tigre – I finally saw Obama make his religious equivalency remarks as Joe Scarborough went ballistic.

    Let me help you and Joe.

    Obama is an atheist.

    What SHOULD offend you is his speaking at a prayer breakfast in the first place. When it comes to religion the dude is a charlatan.

  90. Hillary isn’t a journalist or a news anchor. She’s a choice.

    Williams apology was a lie about a lie. Obama has helped create an environment where lies are not merely to be expected but accepted. Rutherford “hopes Williams survives.” I do not. I wouldn’t care if it was Shepherd Smith or anyone else I like.

  91. Holy crap is King Abdullah making Obama look bad. Dude got suited up for battle. Apparently he’s a former military pilot.

    I can see it now … King flies a combat mission over Syria and the bar denizens here fill the intertubes with cries of “Obama is a pussy”.

  92. Unfortunately Muffy there are military folks involved in the Williams incident who differ on what happened.

    I find this less offensive than Hillary’s tall tale because from what I’m seeing his primary motive was not self aggrandizement.

    While I still want him to survive because I basically like the guy, I must confess his credibility is damaged and that ain’t good for a journalist.

  93. “Oh Tigre Tigre Tigre – I finally saw Obama make his religious equivalency remarks as Joe Scarborough went ballistic.”

    So you were commenting without even having heard it? For the Love of God. All Hail Obama!

    I don’t know and don’t care what Joe Scarborough or anyone at the joke MSNBC says. However, I do know that you really incapable of understanding how pathetic this is. You’re comments about him “being President” while I am not says it all. You really live in strange bubble my friend.

  94. Don’t preach to me about hate. I was very angry last night over Obama’s remarks. I’m not alone in that. I’ve had it with these false equivalances.

  95. “I must confess his credibility is damaged and that ain’t good for a journalist.”

    Yeah, journalistic integrity is mighty important to the last MSNBC viewer on the planet.

  96. Muffy, Obama’s bullshit touched a nerve with me too. Rutherford’s incoherent gibberish on the other hand is angers me only to the extent that it reminds me he and others like him are allowed to vote.

  97. Incoherent? You must not speak English.

    When you’re lying about being an atheist you overcompensate by finding fault with all religions.

    But it’s also interesting that most folks are focused on the “crusades” part of his remarks. Not too much talk about his reference to Jim Crow. The deeply Christian south fucked over blacks without blinking an eye for years and years.

    Once again, I repeat. Jim Crow was around long after the Holocaust was here and gone yet Jews get to toss the holocaust in your face every other day of the week. Mention Jim Crow and you’re told “get over it”.

    If Obama had said “this savagery is not unique to Islam. We have seen evil ideology before in the form of Nazi Germany” no one would have batted an eye. Pffffft

  98. Rutherford stop digging. His remarks about slavery were astonishingly ignorant.

    Nazi Germany is the closest thing in nature and time to which we can compare radical Islam.

  99. Your comments are infuriating Rutherford. Truly.

    That Obama would be lecturing US about high horses at a prayer breakfast the day (2 days?) after a horrifying event that is clearly representative of a current genocide is beyond incompetence. It’s monstrous, preternatural.

    Obama can’t avoid a religious war with rhetoric. Who or what do you think he is?

    Has it even occurred to you that Jordan’s King Abdullah is Muslim? Yet he knows what he will do and he does it. Obama’s acting more like a woman wanting to be liked than a man leading a country.

  100. Christians were one of the most important groups to fight and end slavery. Religion was incidental to the southern slave holding culture. It was a matter of economics. Slave labor supported the plantation economic system, and the Civil War resulted from the battle of two economic and political systems after the drier climate of the plains westward blocked the advance of the traditional southern economic system.

    Southern white and also black slave holders and their slaves had a complex relationship. Some slaves held considerable power. At its root, slave holders treated their people at least as well as cattle or other livestock, because to do otherwise was to damage their investments.

    Therefore comparing Jim Crow Nazi death camps is wrong. Rational southerners were not trying to kill blacks through genocide as Nazis tried to murder Jews and others.

    Obama’s reaction makes me wish I could transfer my memory of death by fire onto him. Let him listen to the screams, gurgling and sizzling and let him make such remarks.

    First, Putin and now King Abdula make Obama look like the wimp and bully he is.

    He is as passive as the YouTube hopeful Sara.

    I like Brian Williams, and we watched him to keep that witch Diane Sawyer out of our house. However, he has lied before about a Tea Party connection to a shooting, and maybe about seeing a body outside of his hotel after Hurricane Katrina.

    He should go. His self-aggrandizement is habitual. If Williams is fired, Republicans might be able to use his lies to draw attention to Hillary’s which are largely forgotten and ignored.

  101. Muffy, as I said, Rutherford TRULY doesn’t get it. Yes. Hard to believe that a grown educated man is incapable of grappling with what’s really going on here. It just goes to show why Obama said it. Guys like Rutherford will mindlessly go for it like cats to an open can of tuna.

  102. “If Obama had said “this savagery is not unique to Islam. We have seen evil ideology before in the form of Nazi Germany” no one would have batted an eye. Pffft.”

    Yeah. Remember when Lincoln stood at the podium and lectured Americans about savagery worse than slavery to be sure they didn’t get on their high horses? Remember that important RHETORIC (we put that in all caps now because Obama’s words are so significant they can change the course of history) about how important it was to remember Romans enslavement before seeking to condemn it.

    You remember when MLK referred to the crusades to be sure the bible thumpers didn’t lose sight of their place in seeking civil rights reform.

    I was just thinking about how Obama would’ve really scored points if only had said, “unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that we have seen evil ideology before in the form of Nazi Germany.” Nobody would’ve batted an eye. 🙄

  103. You are right about one thing Rutherford. I should refer to you as “Bubble Boy” rather than “Blondie.” Referring to you as “Blondie” is an insult to dumb blondes.

  104. Hey guys. ISIS is bad. But there have been other bad people in the past who were Christian. A thousand years ago there were the Crusades and stuff. Plus Jim Crow and stuff. Lots of stuff. So…yeah…that’s a big part of what I want you to know about the sickening reality TV show ISIS made which millions have watched. OK…I’m leader of the free world and I single handedly allowed global anarchy thanks to my policies. OK. Bye now.

  105. Is the “Cure” Worse Than the Disease?

    By James F. Tracy

    As the “debate” ensues throughout the US concerning the recent measles outbreak among vaccinated children, some journalists and commentators are even suggesting that children be vaccinated against their parents’ will, or that parents reluctant to vaccinate their children be imprisoned.

    A careful look at the research pharmaceutical companies are legally compelled to provide with vaccines may give parents pause. According to the insert accompanying the 2014 version of Merck Inc.’s Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR II) vaccine, the live viruses are “propagated in chick embryo cell culture” and “WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts.” (See full listing of vaccine inserts.)

    Seldom do medical practitioners explain in sufficient detail the potential side effects of vaccines to parents, thus violating the simple and straightforward policy of informed consent. Nor do they remind parents that vaccine manufacturers have immunity from civil action in the event their infant or child is injured or killed from the vaccine.

    Merck’s own research states that its MMR vaccine can cause the following: diabetes, vasculitis, pancreatitis, thrombocytopenia (inability for blood to clot), angioneurotic edema (non-inflammatory swelling of the skin), pneumonia, bronchial spasm, arthritis, optic neuritis (inflammation of the optic nerve), Guillain-Barré Syndrome, and death.

    Merck’s MMR vaccine may also cancer and impact the child’s fertility in later years. “M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility,” the vaccine’s insert reads. Limited research exists for most vaccines because longitudinal studies of vaccine recipients are difficult and costly to carry out.

    Like most Americans conditioned for several decades now to distrust their own reasoning, those who become parents are similarly inclined to defer to scientific and institutional authority to make the decision to vaccinate their children. However, if mom and dad were thoroughly apprised of the potential for such side effects most would likely be far more tentative toward the administration of such foreign substances.

    In fact, as is the case with many pharmaceutical products, in the broader scheme of things the symptoms of the illness may be preferable to the alleged “cure.” [emphasis mine]

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, measles begins with high fever, cough, runny nose (coryza), and red, watery eyes (conjunctivitis). “Two or three days after symptoms begin,” the CDC notes, “tiny white spots (Koplik spots) may appear inside the mouth.” A few days after symptoms are observed

    a rash breaks out. It usually begins as flat red spots that appear on the face at the hairline and spread downward to the neck, trunk, arms, legs, and feet. Small raised bumps may also appear on top of the flat red spots. The spots may become joined together as they spread from the head to the rest of the body. When the rash appears, a person’s fever may spike to more than 104° Fahrenheit.

    After a few days, the fever subsides and the rash fades.

    Following this ordeal the individual’s fully operational immune system will have had the opportunity to produce a formidable lifelong measles defense.

    For comparative purposes below is a full description of the Merck’s MMR II vaccine’s potential side effects and consequences as described on its insert.

    ADVERSE REACTIONS TO MMR II VACCINE

    The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:

    Body as a Whole
    Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.

    Cardiovascular System
    Vasculitis.

    Digestive System
    Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.

    Endocrine System
    Diabetes mellitus.

    Hemic and Lymphatic System
    Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy; leukocytosis.

    Immune System
    Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or without an allergic history.

    Musculoskeletal System
    Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia. Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of infection with wild-type rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in adult females and least in prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and paresthesia, have also been reported following administration of MERUVAX II.
    Chronic arthritis has been associated with wild-type rubella infection and has been related to persistent virus and/or viral antigen isolated from body tissues. Only rarely have vaccine recipients developed chronic joint symptoms.
    Following vaccination in children, reactions in join ts are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children (children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%), {17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent girls, the reactions appear to be intermediate in
    incidence between those seen in children and in adult women. Even in women older than 35 years, these reactions are generally well tolerated and rarelyinterfere with normal activities.

    Nervous System
    Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacutesclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS); acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia. Experience from more than 80 million doses of all live measles vaccines given in the U.S. through 1975 indicates that significant central nervous system reactions such as encephalitis and encephalopathy, occurring within 30 days after vaccination, have been temporally associated with measles vaccine very rarely.{58} In no case has it been shown that reactions were actually caused by vaccine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has pointed out that “a certain number of cases of encephalitis may be expected to occur in a large childhood population in a defined period of time even when no vaccines are administered”. However, the data suggest the possibility that some of these cases may have been caused by measles vaccines. The risk of such serious neurological disorders following live measles virus vaccine administration remains far less than that for encephalitis and encephalopathy with wild-type measles (one per two thousand reported cases).
    Post-marketing surveillance of the more than 200 million doses of M-M-R and M-M-R II that have been distributed worldwide over 25 years (1971 to 1996) indicates that serious adverse events such as encephalitis and encephalopathy continue to be rarely reported.{17} There have been reports of subacute sclerosing panenc ephalitis (SSPE) in children who did not have a history of infection with wild-type measles but did receive measles vaccine. Some of these cases may have resulted from unrecognized measles in the first year of life or possibly from the measles vaccination.
    Based on estimated nationwide measles vaccine distribution, the association of SSPE cases to measles vaccination is about one case per million vaccine doses distributed. This is far less than the association with infection with wild-type measles, 6-22 cases of SSPE per million cases of measles. The results of a retrospective case-controlled study conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest that the overall effect of measles vaccine has been to protect against SSPE by preventing measles with its inherent higher risk of SSPE.{59}
    Cases of aseptic meningitis have been reported to VAERS following measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. Although a causal relationship between the Urabe strain of mumps vaccine and aseptic meningitis has been shown, there is no evidence to link Jeryl Lynn™ mumps vaccine to aseptic meningitis.

    Respiratory System
    Pneumonia; pneumonitis (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); sore throat; cough; rhinitis.

    Skin
    Stevens-Johnson syndrome; erythema multiforme; urticaria; rash; measles-like rash; pruritis. Local reactions including burning/stinging at injection site; wheal and flare; redness (erythema); swelling; induration; tenderness;
    vesiculation at injection site.

    Special Senses — Ear Nerve
    deafness; otitis media.

    Special Senses — Eye
    Retinitis; optic neuritis; papillitis; retrobulbar neuritis; conjunctivitis.

    Urogenital System
    Epididymitis; orchitis.

    Other
    Death from various, and in some cases unknown, causes has been reported rarely following vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines; however, a causal relationship has not been established in healthy individuals (see CONTRAINDICATIONS)

    http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/02/05/measlesmmr-vaccine-can-cause-diabetes-arthritis-death/

  106. An Omaha talk show host interviewed a professor who has correctly predicted many events since 2000. Obama’s speech appauled him., He used the same thought as rabbit in dressed up language. He says people need to tighten security around schools and places of worship at the local level on up.He expects attacks on our schools because they create greater horror than even 911.
    Those people will not negotiate. The only thing they understand is the grave.
    Those blinking eyes are creepy.

  107. I remember Measles. My temperature went to 104, and my brother’s was even higher. He almost went to the hospital. I got sick first and recovered by the time we bought our first television a ten inch RCA Victor.Our doctor wouldn’t let my brother watch television for the first two weeks we had the television to protect his eyes. He didn’t like that.

    I contracted German three day measles when I was in high school My father’s back hurt, so I fed and cared for the cattle in snow. My complication was strep throat which kept me out fo school for two weeks.

  108. Obama’s acting more like a woman wanting to be liked than a man leading a country.

    Beyond the surprising sexism coming from you, I can’t really argue with that. King Abdullah is definitely emerging as the better leader.

  109. James, Obama is wimp AND bully? That’s quite a trick.

    As for Christianity and slavery I hope you’re not suggesting that Southern preachers were castigating the flock every Sunday on the evils of slavery and they were trumped by economics? Shit, the churches themselves were segregated.

    The church did with slavery then what they did with child molestation a century later – look the other way.

  110. Ah. The Rutherford Lawson Blog.

    A place where I find out daily a new essential knowledge chunk that the Harvard educated writer has either been sheltered from or is just plain old ignorant about.

    Today it is the most basic background of the American Abolition movement!

    Fascinating yet disturbing.

    To see the long term effects of a man intellectually stunted by a world hell bent on coddling him because they pity him.

    Well….he gets no pity from me. No excuses. He’s just a dumb fuck!
    Harvard… Lol!!!!!!

  111. Yes, Rutherford, it is quite a trick, but we are talking about Obama. He is a wimp in foreign affairs. He is afraid or unwilling to fight our enemies or even accurately describe them.

    Domestically, Obama attacks reporters and has tried to discredit Fox News. He has harassed military and other advisers. He also is mean to the help.

    Southern preachers were part of the culture they occupied. They and their neighbors were increasingly appologetic about their pernicious society, but they justified the practice with the economic necessity of holding slaves before mechanization made them unnecessary. Slavery was important in maintaining southern political and economic power.

    Religious and political leaders also supported slavery by believing it was best for the blacks. They had been snatched from their native lands and were ill- equipped to survive in an alien culture without help. Slavery was best for the blacks and good for the South. Everyone won.

    After about 1835 the South began to behave like a teenaged girl who’s parents tell her to break up with her wild boy friend. The British Empire banned slavery, and Christian abolitionist organizations became stronger. Abolitionists also operated in the South, but they were increasingly repressed as southerners, like a teenaged girl became ever more defensive.

    Church leaders did NOT look the other way. They supported slavery with eyes wide open. Child molestation would have horrified most of them, but slavery was different. It was part of the natural order. Child molestation is a different issue for modern times.

    Southern preachers were part of the system. They accepted the attitudes and values which had nurtured them from childhood. Northern Christians came from another place which was not dependent on slave labor. They concluded slavery was immoral and fought to stop it.

    Such racists while supporting inhumane practices can not be compared to Muslims who want to kill us or to Nazis. Even the most rabid anti-Jew, anti-Catholic and pro- slave holding preachers did not with their followers as a group kill competing sects or torture them. They did not stone their own followers who had lost their way. While life was no bed of roses for women, they fared better than if they were Islamic.

  112. Rutherford, Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that race and ethnicity are an important factor in identified sexual abuse. African American children have almost twice the risk of sexual abuse than white children. Children of Hispanic ethnicity have a slightly greater risk than non-Hispanic white children.

    Children who live with a single parent that has a live-in partner are at the highest risk: they are 20 times more likely to be victims of child sexual abuse than children living with both biological parents.

    The risk for sexual abuse is tripled for children whose parent(s) are not in the labor force.

    Family structure is the most important risk factor in child sexual abuse. Children who live with two married biological parents are at low risk for abuse.

    67% of African American children live in single-parent families.

    http://www.d2l.org/site/c.4dICIJOkGcISE/b.6143427/k.38C5/Child_Sexual_Abuse_Statistics.htm

  113. ”Beyond the surprising sexism coming from you, I can’t really argue with that. “

    Laws chile. Let’s put aside the interesting note that you agree with something that you think is “sexism.”

    Which sex am I supposed to be belittling?

  114. Case in point….I give you all a prime example of a mind not fully developed correctly. These are the musings of a hollow man….:

    Rutherford Lawson:

    “Couldn’t see video from your link Poolman (probably my phone’s fault) but matters not. *YES, IT MATTERS

    Don’t want to feed Poolman’s sickness BUT when a man is on fire doesn’t he run around like a chicken with no head? *FEEDS SICKNESS

    The still photos make it appear he just stood there and burned. That makes no sense to me. *CITES STILL PICTURES COMPLAINS THEY ARE STILL.

    Hey Poolman, maybe the videos don’t get wide release not because of gore but because too many people would watch them and cry bullshit.” *VIDEOES GET WIDE RELEASE

    How do we approach a dunce like this?

    Obviously, questioning the video’s authenticity is no big deal. We all should. But notice how comfortable Rutherford is with bumping his gums about something he did not experience. Actual investigation means nothing to him. Dogma of a dunce.

    This sums up Rutherford perfectly.

    It’s obvious how malleable his blank and immature mind is. And that’s what is scary, as this stunted and uncritical mind has been highjacked by rank propaganda.

    Only this blog offers him some diversity.

  115. Not much of a trick. The biggest bullies are often the biggest wimps. Especially when it comes to world leaders past and present.

  116. To see the long term effects of a man intellectually stunted by a world hell bent on coddling him because they pity him.

    No one pities me. If you think I got this far on pity you’re a dumber fuck than I imagined.

    Try addressing the fucking point asshole. The abolitionists were Christian. Big fucking deal. What would you expect? It was and is a predominantly Christian country.

    And a lot of those Christians were fully on board with slavery. You lecture me on the religiosity of our founders. Did those God fearing men outlaw slavery in the country at the outset as they could have!

    So save the bullshit. You’re the last person on this board to be mouthing off in defense of Christianity when you’re probably the biggest doubting Thomas in the room – always “struggling with your faith”.

    Seriously, go fuck yourself.

  117. Muffy but for the clever opening turn of phrase, thanks for the stats. They are interesting.

    On Wednesday’s “Nightly Show” the topic was out of wedlock births. Larry Wilmore had four black men as guests. Four out of four had drunks/junkies for dads. I found that disturbing not to mention a U.S. black “illegitimacy” rate of 72%. Boggles the mind.

  118. The bunny with the huge stick up his rectum did make one valid point. I DO like this place for diversity. I don’t have many friends, least of all conservative ones. I learn stuff here I wouldn’t know otherwise, even trivial stuff like lying Brian Williams, which I heard here first.

  119. “Surely saying O leads like a woman is no compliment to women.”

    I would think not but I didn’t say that. I said he’s acting like a particular type of woman. I’ve not met many men who act in the way to which I’m referring. (Can’t even think of one at the moment.)

    Now cut the rebop.

  120. “I learn stuff here I wouldn’t know otherwise, even trivial stuff like lying Brian Williams, which I heard here first.”

    Oh man is he an ASS.

    Rutherford to your earlier question I get a lot of my entertainment news from Imus. I have for years, a holdover from a long commute I had in the morning years ago. I also watch local news almost nightly but usually just the top stories. For extended hard news I’ll catch some Shepherd Smith or Bret Baier, and sometimes I’ll watch the BBC later at night.

  121. Rutherford we’re just providing color commentary to your otherwise bleak liberal landscape.

    “It was nice of the President to give us a history lesson at the Prayer Breakfast.

    Today, however, the issue right in front of his nose, in the here and now, is the terrorism of radical Islam, the assassination of journalists, the beheading and burning alive of captives.

    We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President. Please deal with the radical Islamic threat today.”

    😆 Who knew Bobby Jindal was funny?

  122. A couple of reporters whom I quite like, Halperin and Heilemann, say Bobby Jindal is truly brilliant and his handlers won’t “let Bobby be Bobby”. I think he’s a Rhodes Scholar.

    I agree that Jindal’s comment is funny and well expresses the main gripe against Obama’s comment.

  123. “If only blacks hadn’t been lynched. If only they had been gassed or beheaded. Then it might matter.”

    Rutherford I’m about ready to let it drop but I did want to say that it matters. But it doesn’t apply. That was the point of my stats comment.

    If Obama was not being a divisive jerk then he’s completely tone deaf and his instincts are exceptionally bad.

  124. I love when Rutherford gets flustered. Just swinging his arms around hoping he hits something. We’re commenting on beheadings and forced immolation and he directs his outraged at American Christians.

    Thank God Obama is here to teach us all. What would we do without him. 😆

  125. I think tone deafness and bad instincts are likely. I heard someone say his comments were post-presidential/professorial and not fitting for a current world leader. Fair assessment I think.

  126. Hey, I was scouring the net and found an obscure piece about Brian Williams. I can’t find it now but I am sure I saw that someone said he wasn’t being truthful about something.

  127. I found this interesting! Stats that are both more AND less than what I expected.

    “One pattern we’ve seen in different parts of the world is that the more people are exposed to terrorist violence, the more they reject it. Jordan is a good example. Early in the last decade, Jordanians expressed relatively high levels of support for suicide bombing and confidence in Osama bin Laden, but this changed after the November 2005 suicide attacks on three hotels in Amman, Jordan’s capital.

    A few months later, a Pew Research survey found the percentage of Jordanian Muslims saying suicide attacks can often or sometimes be justified had fallen from 57% to 29%. Today, it stands at 15%. Similarly, confidence in bin Laden plummeted from 61% to 24% after the bombings, and by the time of his death just 13% of Jordanians had confidence in the terrorist leader.”

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/05/extremism-in-muslim-nations/

  128. Disclaimer to Pew poll: The writer paints a rosy picture and what he describes as “low” I find uncomfortably high. But the main thing is the numbers seem to be moving in the right direction and not at a glacial pace.

  129. “I heard someone say his comments were post-presidential/professorial and not fitting for a current world leader. Fair assessment I think.”

    Yeah the lecture thing he does. Makes me want to thrown a lamp at him.

    I went to Lincoln’s letters today – ones he sent to various people intending to offer comfort and/or guidance. They were so clear-headed and kind they erased the years between and delivered the same today that I’m sure they rendered then.

  130. I agree, Rutherford, owning another is perversion. It can’t really be done. In reality, it is holding another person prisoner but the practice has existed through most of human history because it serves a social and economic purpose. If a human is a possession like a sheep or dog, the owner tends to care for that person if for no reason than to protect his/her investment.

    As Sofia Jannok said, “You can’t own another person. You can’t own land. You can’t possess it. You merely borrow it for the short time you are here.

    It is how Americans operated. Its true parts of the West Indies had to import slaves to replace the number who died because the hot climate and overwork took the death toll higher than the birth rate, but slave owners were not practicing genocide. They would have kept their slaves alive if they could because a dead slave was a lost investment. In most places, including the United States, slaves produced enough children to maintain the population after the importation of more slaves was banned. This was true in many other places too.

    For example, Iceland has been considered an homogenous nation because of its long isolation. When geneticists tested the population, they considered them to be representative of the old Viking population. Guess what. About 40% of Icelanders’ genes come from Ireland. A few families also have Native American genes. They were descended from slaves.

  131. As I have written, Sofia Jannok is highly political. A critic called her a woman of steel. She expanded Rush Limbaugh’s “Regime” term to “occupying Regime” which fits the current Obama and radical progressive movement. Their ideology is not native to our country. It comes from Europe.

    Twice, I heard a news report this morning which stated that the Measles outbreak comes from foreign workers and from people who have refused to inoculate themselves or their children. I am jumping to conclusions in the way conservative- hating progressives do, but fair is fair. The children’s invasion and others have brought diseases into our country, and one of them was probably measles.

    Obama has opened the borders as we know. Bush didn’t do much to stop illegals either, but Obama and the liberals have done even more.

  132. Coast to Coast interviewed a terrorism expert. He said what we have heard elsewhere. The source of ISIS is complicated and obscure. However, Obama was unwilling to use our troops to destabilize the Middle East. He called it leading from behind. We sent military aid to chosen people to help them overthrow the Libyan government.

    Our ambassador was running guns to Libyan rebels from his post near Benghazi. Later we sent aid to Syrian rebels, some of whom turned against us and became ISIS. Obama’s leading from behind strategy failed as did Rumsfeld’s light foot print strategy.

  133. James, unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that we have seen plagues spread white Europeans before. 🙄

  134. “I heard someone say his comments were post-presidential/professorial and not fitting for a current world leader. Fair assessment I think.”

    Yes. We’re all students in need of idiotic statements from a banal arrogant douche. So professorial.

    Thank you for teaching us Dear Leader.

  135. @ Rutherford partly to shorten things on my Reader and partly to comment:

    I think tone deafness and bad instincts are likely. I heard someone say his comments were post-presidential/professorial and not fitting for a current world leader. Fair assessment I think.

    I thoroughly disagree and will be publishing a post later today supporting my dissent.

  136. Getting back to the topic of the post, here’s more proof of the double standard (or double mindedness) when it comes to our collective health as a nation…

    Since direct-to-consumer drug advertising debuted in 1997, pharma’s credo has been When The Medication Is Ready, The Disease (and Patients) Will Appear. Who knew so many people suffered from restless legs? Now pharma is back to creating new diseases, patients, risks and “awareness campaigns.” Check out these eight new diseases they’ve invented.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/here-are-8-invented-diseases-big-pharma-is-banking-on/

    One of the reasons I dislike watching network snews are the commercials and pharma ads are some of the most offensive. An excert from wikipedia’s page regarding advertising of alcohol states: The World Health Organization (WHO) has specified that the advertising and promotion of alcohol needs to be controlled. In September 2005, the WHO Euro Region adopted a Framework for Alcohol Policy for the Region. This has 5 ethical principles which includes “All children and adolescents have the right to grow up in an environment protected from the negative consequences of alcohol consumption and, to the extent possible, from the promotion of alcoholic beverages”.[4]

    Yet they (WHO) ignore the problems associated with advertising pharmaceuticals. There is a massive campaign designed to promote MANufactured drugs to our public. It is a far-reaching campaign promoting addiction and hypochondria. Indeed it correlates with the vast percentage of the American population that take medications daily.

    Again, from the all-knowing wiki regarding pharma marketing (emphasis mine): Pharmaceutical company spending on marketing far exceeds that of its research budget.[1][2] In Canada, $1.7 billion was spent in 2004 to market drugs to physicians; in the United States, $21 billion was spent in 2002.[3] In 2005, money spent on pharmaceutical marketing in the United States was estimated at $29.9 billion with one estimate as high as $57 billion.[2] When the U.S. numbers are broken down, 56% was free samples, 25% was pharmaceutical sales representative “detailing” (promoting drugs directly to) physicians, 12.5% was direct to user advertising, 4% on detailing to hospitals, and 2% on journal ads.[3] There is some evidence that marketing practices can negatively affect both patients and the health care profession.[4]

    These companies are fined for false claims occasionally. Even when proven claims are false, fines assessed may be 1,2, or 3 billion (in the most extreme case), and this payout is considered part of the cost of doing business. The fines are small in comparison to gross sales and the overall marketing budget.

    It is absurd how the snews media promotes a fake immolation or reports on staged beheadings (that they infer occurred but never show us or provide admissible proof thereof) and yet never mentions the 110 people killed daily in America’s medical institutions due to mistakes by supposed professional health care providers. Bad medicine. That number doesn’t take into account those dying from the actual prescription drugs used or abused.

  137. After attending university intent on gaining a career in advertising, I have since come to share Bill Hicks’ view regarding marketing and those in the biz:

  138. The near quackery of pharmaceutical giants and the idiocy of human kind is not evidence of anything that supports a failure to vaccinate against damaging and deadly diseases.
    You raw story link is absolute dishonesty incarnate as well. That some pathologies warrant an intervention based on either the subjective or objective history of the patient doesn’t make something fictional.If your physician or ANY physician fails to engage you intelligently regards ANY medical intervention (pharmaceutical,osteopathy or surgical) then you should leave that physician and that physician should leave the field of medicine.

  139. We’re commenting on beheadings and forced immolation and he directs his outraged at American Christians.

    I think you have trouble following the twists and turns of a thread.

    1) We started with the crusades part of his comment. That clearly has NOTHING to do with what’s going on today. He was being academic at an inappropriate time AND trying to take the heat off Islam as a whole which is typical of him.

    2) I then remarked (as is my prerogative) that many were focused on the crusades part of his comment and glossed over the slavery/Jim Crow part. That part was quite frankly far more relevant in that it is a modern example of Christianity not doing all it could to advocate for blacks. 99% of Klansmen were God fearing Christians and they were not excised from their church. Hell the Catholic Church would excommunicate you for divorce but not for lynching a black man.

    3) With that said, again, I concede Obamas timing sucked.

    My outrage against ISIL has already been well documented. All I was doing was defending O’s point that Islam has no monopoly on religion being twisted for evil ends.

  140. One pattern we’ve seen in different parts of the world is that the more people are exposed to terrorist violence, the more they reject it.

    Muffy the excerpt you quoted gives me the sense it isn’t quantity of terrorism but rather proximity of terrorism that changes minds. Your excerpt says Jordanian opinion started to change after THEY were victims.

    Sadly that’s human nature.

  141. Muffy, I amend the previous comment. It appears the pew polls have proximity built into exposure. When I first read it I thought they simply meant that the more they see terrorism going on around the world, the less they like it. I was wrong. They’re talking about terrorism in “my back yard”.

    Again why should such a stat surprise us? Sane people don’t want to die.

  142. I went to Lincoln’s letters today – ones he sent to various people intending to offer comfort …

    Not for nuthin’ but letter writing was a real art form back then, currently lost amidst e-mail and blogs.

  143. James, while leading from behind might not be an optimal strategy as measured by results, it was and is a popular strategy among Americans of all stripes. We have no appetite for “boots on the ground”.

  144. Yes. We’re all students in need of idiotic statements from a banal arrogant douche. So professorial.

    Tigre, you are the rare well educated person (objectively better educated than I) who seems to hate any sort of intellectual discourse.

    I don’t deny there is a time and a place. You don’t deliver a Reverend Wright speech at the Prayer Breakfast. But in another setting, his ideas are worth consideration.

  145. Poolman, on at least one thing we agree. I DETEST PHARMA ADS!!!

    I think they should be prohibited. It has turned healthcare into big business. And the theme of most of them is “it will cure you if it doesn’t kill you”.

    Sadly I doubt this genie will ever be put back in the bottle. Culturally we are dying by a thousand cuts and we won’t know it’s too late until it is too late.

  146. No it makes me a wise ass. I should’ve put a picture of Mr. T but went shorthand.

    R, in all seriousness, your frequent misdirection when cornered is irritating. You knee jerked your usual Obama praise before realizing even his MSNBC supporters were scratching their heads. You did that without even having heard what he said. That’s mighty pathetic and you know it.

    So we got you proclaiming his masterful attempts to “avoid a religious war. Remember that bulkshit? Yeah. That’s where it started.

    The only twist was your slavery/civil rights angered sanctimony to try to somehow makes sense out his senseless comments. It’s obvious you sre no student of history snd you failed at your own dimb talking point because of it.

    Again what Obama said was idiotic becase he’s the president. It’s timing. It’s not becase he’s professorial. It’s because he’s a racist pandering shithead with an agenda. He’s totally unequiped to deal with the Middle East crises and the results speak for themselves.

    Ruhtherford you created this inept monster. He doesn’t like me, my family, and most Americans particularly white non celebrities. He’s speaks to you and he’s all yours. But for the love of God quit pretending said or meant something than he did and own it for fuck’s sake.

  147. So good to hear, Tex. Did she stay overnight? If not, they must have done laparoscopy.

    Shit, some of this surgery is robotic nowadays.

    Tex, from what you’ve shared about your wife, she will want to accelerate recovery. Tell her to take her time.

  148. “We have no appetite for “boots on the ground”.”

    Yeah, well get ready, because they are coming.

    This is supported by the increased “BOOM” activity I can hear almost daily from the bases relatively near where I live.

    And of course, this will, again, be all Bush’s fault. Because ISIS, who gained its original strength in Syria (as opposed to Iraq), would have certainly been crushed by Saddam before it took over 33%+ of the country. Because Iraqi troops are so much better and braver under his command. And, of course, he’d have been able to use his usual weapon against such an enemy—gas and chemicals. Oh wait, that’s right–he didn’t have that stuff anymore….

    Yep. Iraq would be so much better off today if only we’d have kept Saddam in place.

  149. Tigre if I’m not mistaken what you guys said he said is what he said. I went on what you folks posted and then heard it for myself later. Hearing it didn’t change my opinion. His comment was completely consistent with everything he has said before.

    Almost everyone, even me, is getting tired of him not saying “radical Islam” but in the end it’s a minor peeve. What we call them doesn’t make their victims any less dead. What we SAY has no impact on them.

    Let me pose another hypothesis. Could it be that being black he is so sensitive to X-ism that he goes out of his way not to offend any members of X? (X=minority du jour).

  150. Rutherford, I agree, leading from behind is more popular and cheaper than sending our sons and daughters back into a dangerous area. However, we do not live in a Democracy. We have a constitutional republic which lets us vote for representatives to make decisions for us.

    If leading from behind is detrimental to our long-term interests it is our president’s and legislators’ duty to sell the strategy which will be best for us. Obama, by declaring a war over before it was and by withdrawing our troops when they should have stayed risks even more expense and blood shed if circumstances force us to redeploy our soldiers.

  151. My wife stayed 3 nights and the robots couldn’t do it. Whole thing left a doozie of a scar. Your wife is lucky. When the robots do it you only end up with about five or six one inch scars.

    But medical advances are amazing. No dressings to change. Just bandages that fall off with time.

  152. I’m happy for you and your wife, Tex.

    I agree with Rutherford on taking time.

    I also agree with Rutherford about the fanciful leap into an Iraqi alternate universe. We can guess, but it won’t change anything. Besides, an army without effective direction or trust in its leaders will fight less effectively than the same army who trusts and respects its leaders.

    One example is South Vietnam after Congress pulled the plug on their country.; The military panicked and soldiers’ main concern was escaping with their families.

  153. “You did that without even having heard what he said. That’s mighty pathetic and you know it.” Tigre

    Yup. Classic Rutherford.

  154. That’s true.

    Our being hit by a train sliced up my wife’s head pretty badly Blood was spewing so fast we couldn’t tell where it was coming from. A rescuer thought some was coming out of her ear. All the doctor did was to staple her head without anesthesia and later remove the staples.

  155. elTigre100 says Obama doesn’t like him and other white people. He probably doesn’t like you either. Rutherford.. If you give him a check, he will like you until the money runs out.

  156. “Huck I think you’ve taken a fanciful leap. Who’s to say the army under Saddam might not have run like little chickenshits the way they did under Malaki?”

  157. Besides, an army without effective direction or trust in its leaders will fight less effectively than the same army who trusts and respects its leaders.

    That’s what I was thinking. Unless I’ve got my facts backwards the soldiers who ran from ISIL were not loyal to Malaki in the first place and were in the sect favored by Saddam.

  158. James I don’t recall the title but there is a documentary (I think an Oscar nominee this year) about our exit from Vietnam. It focuses on what we do when we exit a war and leave our allies behind to fend for themselves – particularly in those cases where we “lose” the war.

    What is our ongoing obligation to a country whose civil war we have intervened in? This of course applies to Iraq even though WE arguably started their civil war.

  159. He probably doesn’t like you either. Rutherford.. If you give him a check, he will like you until the money runs out.

    Well this could be said about a good number of pols.

    But digging deeper, Obama may not like anyone but himself. I fully acknowledge a strong narcissistic streak there. It’s another reason for the breakfast comments. He can’t resist showing how smart he is.

    I used to mock you O-haters on this topic BUT the dude does say “I” a lot.

  160. “You did that without even having heard what he said. That’s mighty pathetic and you know it.” Tigre

    Yup. Classic Rutherford.

    Scroll up and read my last comment to you. That’s all I’ve got to say to you for the moment.

  161. Huck I knew it was sarcasm. My comment to you with “might not have” was confusing. I’m saying there is good reason to think Saddam’s army would have indeed taken the fight to ISIL. (Damned subjunctive mood.)

    But thanks for the BBT vid. They never get old.

  162. “What we SAY has no impact on them.”

    It has an impact on us. An frankly, he’s a laughing stock. He couldn’t have said anything more gratifying to AQ/ISIL than he did. You applauded it. He can avoid religious a war with his words. Remember? You knew that at along. 🙄

    Obama cares about blacks and Muslims. He mouths other shit for political gain. What other x-ism are you referring to?

    I think you and Obama need to get off your high horses and check your privilege. He and you speak to people that have made immeasurable sacrifices with condescension and disdain having offered none yourselves. I know it sounds good to you. You’re a cheerleader. So don’t tell me about intellectual discourse. You’re incapable of it, this latest a prime example.

    Like Obama, at your core you believe America and most Americans fundamentally flawed, unfair, unjust and oftentimes evil. Through that you give yourself license degrade, insult, take, and exploit. Hollow crap like the heavy duty intellectual Obama (who is anything but) just offered isn’t worthy of any deference even if you capitalize RHETORIC or label it “nuanced” rather than plain stupid.

  163. “He can’t resist showing how smart he is.”

    Obama ain’t that smart. What makes you think he is? He’s got nothing to show academically. Nothing as a lawyer or senator. Nothing as president. What so you find so impressive? His fictitious biography?

  164. He can avoid religious a war with his words.

    No. He THINKS he can avoid a religious war with words. It speaks to his motive for making the statement. Other than enjoying hearing himself talk.

    You really ought not make any references to nuance, sarcastic or otherwise. You’re incapable of understanding it.

  165. I didn’t know about the documentary, Rutherford. I’d like to see it. Here are pilots ditching their helicopters in the South China Sea.

    Brian Williams is taking a vacation.

  166. You’re right. I don’t understand why you think that throw-away word validates stupid.

    Obama made a thoughtful, valuable comment. Everyone offended just doesn’t get nuance and how smart he is. He is to be applauded fir his nuance and RHETORIC. You’ve made quite a case. Blaming Christianity for slavery and Jim Crowe in retrospect was so appropriate. And you’ve added so much to the intellectual discourse.

  167. “It speaks to his motive for making the statement. Other than enjoying hearing himself talk.”

    And here I thought it was an equivalency. You know, because that’s what he said it was. Who knew it was laden with nuance.

    The comment about high horses and the holocaust really made the point. Very . . . nuanced of you. That was heady and dead on.

  168. Validating ISIL after burning a man to death was nuanced, Muffy.

    Geeeze. Even they don’t get it!

    Obama is so misunderstood.

  169. Rabbit’s right Rutherford. About talking before really knowing enough about the subject. Like the stills of the Jordanian pilot – I think we all did a double take at that one.

  170. I’m right there with you Tigre. I can’t even put into words how troubling I find Obama’s prayer breakfast remarks.

  171. Great to hear yesterday is in the rear view, Tex. Are you making dinner? If you are would you post a picture of you in an apron for us? We could use a laugh.

  172. “Rabbit’s right Rutherford. About talking before really knowing enough about the subject.”

    Like the Kosher deli massacre that wasn’t evidence of anti-Semitism.

  173. I didn’t need to see a picture of a pilot being incinerated alive. People who brandish misconceptions about the Crusades should stop before doing some research. Obama is not only ignorant, but his comments prove it.

    Another troubling development is the European reaction to Russia’s latest attack on Ukraine. Over 5,000 people have died. What do you think we would say if that many people were killed here? The Obama administration is more hawkish than the Europeans. Could this all be a dream?

    Chef Tex has a nice ring.

  174. “I’m saying there is good reason to think Saddam’s army would have indeed taken the fight to ISIL.”

    Like they took it to the US?

    Saddam’s army wouldn’t have done shit against ISIL, and I don’t think there is “good reason” to think otherwise.

  175. “ISIL called us crusaders back a few months.”

    Bush called us Crusaders long before anyone ever heard of ISIL

    It was stupid to say then, and it’s still stupid when people say it now.

    If you all want to make this a religious war—then I hope you’re ready to lose.

  176. “Validating ISIL after burning a man to death was nuanced, Muffy.”

    Yes….as Rutherford said….it just wasn’t the time for Obama to be so deep and heady.

    He basically made the exact argument ISIS would make for burning the man alive on a reality TV episode.

    Fucking puke worthy.

    JV Team’s evil is put in proper context by President Hide My Grades because he is so scholarly he can’t help it.

    Bull shit.

    This guy is what every extreme right winger said he was back in 09. For all practical purposes, Obama is not an American.

    You get that Rutherford?

    Obama represents his own over inflated ego and then, a close second, the Weather Underground.

    Anti colonialism and the Thug Rights movement. And the Democratic Machine.

    That’s it.

    Obama hates me.

  177. “This crusade. . . this war on terrorism.”

    “If you want a religious war. . . ”

    What did I miss Huck? What you just dropped is a big non sequitur.

  178. “What we SAY has no impact on them.”

    Obama needs to shut up and be the commander in chief. This is worse than them going on about an “awful internet video that we had nothing to do with.”

    The article I put up @ 6:31 is very short and serves as a reminder that Adnan urged followers to attack U.S., French, Canadian, Australia and other nationals. Adnani addresses Obama directly and it stands to reason that Obama expects his remarks to reach Adnani.

    October – Canada
    December – Australia
    January – France

    What’s next? Hollywood? Put Clint Eastwood in one of their death videos?

  179. Great to hear yesterday is in the rear view, Tex. Are you making dinner? If you are would you post a picture of you in an apron for us? We could use a laugh.

    Hell no! That’s what I made kids for – they went and got pizza and I watched basketball; Mom was so tired of me bellyaching about my team choking, she went with them and told me to quit scaring the hounds. 😆

    I was really sweet for a day and a half. Times up! 😈 I needed Rutherford to kick around this afternoon.

  180. “Bush used the term in a different context.”

    No he didn’t. It was deliberate, and foolish. A crusade means something specific. He wouldn’t have used that term were we going against any other enemy.

    “Huh??”

    I think I made my point quite clearly. If people (whether on this board or elsewhere in the West [which is what I really meant by “you all”]) want to make this a religious war, then they’d better be prepared to lose. History doesn’t support a strong Christian resolve against religious enemies that can actually fight back. If that offends anyone, then tough.

  181. Blaming Christianity for slavery and Jim Crowe in retrospect was so appropriate.

    The analogy is dead on. Christianity as a whole is no more responsible for slavery and Jim Crow then Islam as a whole is responsible for the current crisis. But in both cases the good guys didn’t scream loud enough to stop it.

    If you can’t see the parallel then frankly you’re an idiot.

  182. Obama hates me.

    Wow, after 6 years it’s finally beginning to gel.

    “I don’t like Obama because he hurts my fee-fees.”

    Hat tip to Muffy for borrowing her “fee-fees”.

  183. @ Huck although every Western leader has taken great pangs to emphasize this isn’t a religious war the West isn’t actually the ones that control the framing of the particular angle.
    In fact I think one could make the case that many in the Muslim world totally buy into this all being very much a religious war. You read the translations of what the Jordanian Air Force has written on their bombs,look at the Peshmerga and count in the positions the Iranians have staked out for example and its pretty clear that AQ/ISIL & to a degree the Taliban have opponents very much involved in a religious war.

  184. There is some deliberate thickness going on here.

    Why don’t you folks understand that a tightrope has to be walked here? We cannot let this devolve into opposition to the entire religion of Islam. Obama is avoiding that to a fault.

    We cannot reach out to moderate Muslims and gain their support in shutting this thing down if we tell them their religion sucks.

    And the ONLY ones who can shut this down are the moderates unless we carpet bomb the whole region.

    P.S. If you can’t deal with the Neville Chamberlain role Christianity played in slavery and Jim Crow then you don’t know YOUR history. Or you’re in denial.

  185. I also think Bush meant what he said when he told us we were fighting a crusade. Emotions supported vengance and blood letting when he said Crusade. It was also an accurate if simplistic term.

    The Crusades were like most wars, more complex than religious struggles. Simply put, Muslims attempted to expand into Europe, and Europeans over generations stopped them and regained lost territory. 1492 is of course notable for Columbus’ expedition to America. It was also the year Christians conquered the last two Muslim states in Spain.

    History does support a strong Christian resolve against an enemy who can fight back. Our celebrating Christmas and Easter is proof. We are not fighting a religious war. Purely religious wars are rare. One side will ultimately destroy the other, and since both sides are Caucasans, some of the most violent people on earth, a true war will get nasty as soon as the West wakes up.

    I am not offended. You have raised some interesting points, wrong but interesting.

  186. Rutherford, reality bites. This is our religious war, at least in name because the other side says it is whether we agree or not. If we don’t kill them, they will kill us.

    I agree with alfie.

  187. “I don’t like Obama because he hurts my fee-fees”

    Lol…well played.

    I’m sticking to my story though…. I think he hates me.

  188. “The analogy is dead on.”

    It’s not at all.

    Slave trade was economic and then later was given a Christian defense by some.
    Ultimatly the Christain reasons to get rid of it won the day (After 500 thousand died in battle).

    Slave trade transcended race, cutlure and religion. Arabs, Muslims, Black Africans, Native Americans, Brazilians.. Christians, Musllims…you name it. All of them had a hand in the “peculiar institution.” All of them profited from it.

    Jihad is the foundation of radical Islam. Jihad is the pillar of Islam. You pull the chair of jihad/Shari’a-theocracy and it ceases to exist. Jihad is the ultimate expression of Islam for these people. So is gender slavery.

    Lastly, who fucking cares if bad shit existed in the Western World?

    Jim Crow was horrible…. But does it compare to the crucifixion of little boys?

    Apples and oranges on so many levels.

    Lastly…even if…EVEN IF.. Jim Crow America is comparable to ISIS terror….do we respond to ISIS by telling them don’t worry we are bad like you are?

    Fucking kidding me?

  189. The analogy is dead on. Christianity as a whole is no more responsible for slavery and Jim Crow then Islam as a whole is responsible for the current crisis. But in both cases the good guys didn’t scream loud enough to stop it.

    If you can’t see the parallel then frankly you’re an idiot.

    You’re deliberate obtuseness, or perhaps just plain old stupidity, justifies what whites was taught long ago.

    What’s long and hard on a black man?
    ….
    ….
    ….
    ….

    3rd Grade.

  190. How were slavery or Jim Crowe inspired by Christianity again? 😆 😆 😆 You’re not only wrong, you’ve got the inspiration of what mainly ended both ass backwards. Damn, you’re ignorant of history.

    You should learn what inspired perhaps the most often sung Christian Hymnal of our day, Rutherford. It would do you some good to learn what influenced the gospel Amazing Grace to be written. And I’ll bet you’re too intellectually lazy to even look it up because it wouldn’t fit you’re and Obola Eboma’s narrative of dastardly Christian deeds.

    But I’ll give you a hint – the words are penned by a one-time slave trader if you’re really interested in getting your facts straight.

  191. Jihad is the foundation of radical Islam. Jihad is the pillar of Islam. You pull the chair of jihad/Shari’a-theocracy and it ceases to exist.

    So is it your position that American Muslims perfectly happy to live under our law and not Sharia, are not “real” Muslims?

    I think you’ve said you encountered Muslims when you worked in prison. Were they Sharia enthusiasts? Serious question.

  192. How were slavery or Jim Crowe inspired by Christianity again?

    Didn’t say that did I? Putting words in my mouth doesn’t win the argument. I said slavery and Jim Crow were tolerated by Christianity.

    Like every powerful institution, Christianity has on occasion been careful about rocking the boat, whether it’s the profitable slave trade or turning in pedophile priests.

    When the economic driver of the region is threatened, it’s easy to look the other way, even when it contradicts the best parts of scripture.

    Again Tex, this is very simple to disprove. List for me the documented times in 19th and 20th century history where American churches tossed slave holders out on their ass or ostracized them or publicly shamed them.

  193. the words are penned by a one-time slave trader if you’re really interested in getting your facts straight.

    Do you suggest he represents all of Christianity?

    Bin Laden represents all of Islam and the former slave trader represents all of Christianity. Talk about cherry picking.

  194. Most of the black thugs I worked with converted to the Nation of Islam, a racist, 100% heretical cult that deems Elijah Muhammad of the U.S. to be the last prophet and Louis Farrakhan to be inspirational.

    Or they converted to the 5 Percenters…an even more outrageous racist cult in which black people are superior and soon to rule the world like they did back in Ancient Greece and that every individual black thug who joins this cult is Allah.

  195. We subscribe to Atlantic Magazine, so I will read it again.

    My comment to you about Christianity and slavery is closer to the truth. I already explained to you why Southern Christians gave tacit support to slavery while others did not. If this inattention continues as it did with Sarah, I will post another video. Maybe I will anyway.

    . African and Muslim countries were already capturing and trading slaves before Europeans began to buy slaves from them. They did not do so out of bigotry but from economic necessity and to destroy their enemies.. Slavery was the norm for thousands of years. Native Americans also practiced slavery. Do you remember that I told you genetic tests show up to 40% Irish and tiny amounts of Native American in Iceland’s Viking gene pool? The Christian religion was incidental, not the cause of slave trading.

    The Bible and Koran mention slavery without condemning the practice, though one can interpret passages to show it is ungodly and wrong.

    Obama was wrong, and he deserves all of the criticism he got. Had he said Christians have a history of awful behavior but over time, they have repented and no longer commit violence against their neighbors, he would have occupied solid ground. He might have said it was time for Muslims to clean up their act and shun or expel the large minority who refuses to tolerate different beliefs. Obama didn’t do that. He equated past behavior which no longer is practiced with current behavior. which kills people in horrible ways.

    He might have advised Muslim immigrants to do as most other immigrants do,-assimilate into their new countries. Granted, its hard and goes against human nature, but it can be done. San Jose, California, for example has a large Korean community. A visit there is almost like traveling to Seoul. As in 1900, with Germans, Scandinavians in the upper Midwest and probably Italians by the East coast business signs are in Korean. When Korea played in the World Cup crowds gathered in television sales areas to watch.

    Koreans and others do not practice Jihad., . A Norwegian law enforcement official said Norway’s high rate of rape is attributited to the Muslim population. A commenter to the article said years ago, Muslims took sex tours to Scandinavia. Political correctness prevented the Brits from stopping rapes and sexual slavery committed by Muslims near London. Some areas operate as virtual Middle Eastern enclaves with little European law enforcement.

    Jim Crow and other autrocities are irrelevant. What is relevant is why they have been gone for so long while Muslims still enslave people and burn Christian churches in their own land.

    That appologist with Atlantic magazine is as full of manure as is Obama. I don’t know if he is a race baiter, but the president surely is, and he has an unhealthy affinity for Muslims.

    You want a point by point refutation. So do I,.

  196. “I said slavery and Jim Crow were tolerated by Christianity.”

    Yes Rutherford, Christians are capable of bad things.

    Deep.

    I’m glad Obama deems that the terrorist group he earlier dismissed rampaging an anarchy that he caused isn’t priority number one. Solving the Crusades, American slavery and Jim Crow is. Rkndjng white people how evil they were in the past is.

    Can’t even call out the most surreal and vivid evil without the self loathing and devisive speeches that inspire petty internet arguments. This country is fucked. A man can be burned to death on a slick reality TV show and we, as a country, are incapable coming together and calling out the evil in way that makes it clear that we are worlds apart from that kind of cruelty.

    Yeah…..ISiS is another one of dumb fuck Obama’s teachable moments.

  197. @Rutherford Iam having trouble writing my post on the subject since its thesis is being complicated by evolving story lines. The core is still holding true though,in fact it is getting vindication by the minute.
    Culture is what everyone is missing in my opinion. Obama, Coates, Geller, Malkin, YOU!
    You authoritatively opine about churches in the colonial and antebellum eras yet fail to exhibit a basic appreciation for the context of culture at the time. The peoples cultural intellect to be precise.
    I think this also plays out when you float a balloon question like you did to dead rabbit:
    So is it your position that American Muslims perfectly happy to live under our law and not Sharia, are not “real” Muslims?
    You (and you’re not alone in this) are coming from an ignorant position with such a question. You fail to appreciate how varied Sharia is across the Ummah. The answer isn’t whether the people are real or not,the answer is that realistically many Muslims in the USA,perhaps even a majority,would answer a conditional YES to Sharia. THAT speaks to culture again. Across the ummah folks cherry pick Sharia just as readily as global Christianity experiences drug use,adultery and murder.

    James makes a respectable assault upon the Muslim transgressions of today . I think his European ticks demonstrate what many people believe. I accept it but would add that the real crime of all the situations there rests within the hosts abdication of clearly defined cultural obligations. Secular multiculturalism is as guilty if not more so of the crimes in European nations than Islam is.

  198. Do you suggest he represents all of Christianity?

    Bin Laden represents all of Islam and the former slave trader represents all of Christianity. Talk about cherry picking.

    Scolding about cherry picking and your source of retort is America’s #1 race baiter, black propagandist, and cracka hata, Coates? 😈 And you wonder why I find you so pathetically inept and debate and incredibly poorly read? Maybe you should read up on who initially founded the abolitionist movement?

    Rutherford, you’re a product of your environment – a shame, because you got some talent. A product of a failed culture trying to enable and excuse a failed black President’s abject stupidity, distortion and incompetence. Barack Obama isn’t just a sham – he’s a dangerous and malevolent joke, political fodder for savages who would behead your very child. Apparently, your politic so engrained, you’re perfectly willing to accept that risk for the sake of a broken ideology in its last gasps.

    I’m now completely convinced Barack Obama is as I suspected seven years ago, – not entirely stupid but fully malevolent. This is one of the world’s real jackbooted thugs, the only thing keeping him at bay the power of the institution he is supposed to represent as leader – and his minority position.

    And you know what is driving this?

    Barack Obama’s psychosis from a young age which has occasionally manifested itself but now on full display – a hatred of White America, and more specifically White Christians who won’t bow to his majesty or provide him the adulation he seeks. The malignant narcissism of a communist raised fraud is now on display front and center. An irreligious man with an empathy for Islam and a hatred of Christianity – just like Rev. Jeremiah and his unholy alliance with men like Louie Farrakhan. Just like I told all of you in this very room once Barack Obama was no longer inhibited by the power of a vote, the real Barack Obama would be revealed – a malignant cancer and megalomaniac who is incapable of accepting his own glaring failures.

    Before I correct you this time, and you wouldn’t believe it anyway as you’ll revert back to some grievance hustler like Coates for ammunition telling you what you want to hear instead of what is the obvious truth, pray tell where all you poor, poor enslaved blacks have it better this very moment in this world than America? Just one place? Just one? Can you do that for me, Rev. Al Rutherford? Can you ask Mr. Coates, the man you wanting me to take deathly serious while he demanding of reparations?

    Here’s what I think. America would have become the world’s only superpower with or without one black face picking cotton in a field – and would be substantially better off as a country this very minute had it not attempted in its greed and sloth, adapting a vastly inferior culture into its making for the benefit of being too lazy to pick its own.

  199. The charge cushioned with “if” that people (never mind who) want to make this a religious war and the crystal-gazing that “then they’d” better be prepared to lose got me thinking that likely as not there’s an additional side to Obama’s remarks in that he believes that this is indeed a religious war and he and all the innocent atheists are caught in the middle. That might further explain the bizarre strategy Susan Rice laid out the other day.

    I’ve noticed too from whom the most persistent demands that “moderate Muslims” denounce and sacrifice their lives fighting to put an end to the “not-Islamic” hijackers has emanated.

    Why should they if it has nothing to do with them?

  200. The only people chopping off heads, burning people alive, raping and slaughtering children in the name of religion in this century are doing it in the name of Allah. Yet America lacks the moral authority to judge it. MLK weeps.

  201. How pathetic are Obama cabinet lackeys like Susan Rice? Two days ago, she outlined a “strategy” to combat America’s Wars which included during the discussion of ISIS, a plan to combat the EXISTENTIAL threat of Global Warming. Yes, that existential global warming.

    Today’s headlines: PAPER: ‘GLOBAL WARMING’ BIGGEST SCIENCE SCANDAL EVER

    I wonder how the racist and grievance hustlers Coates and Lawson would answer this question?

    The most egregious sin measured by loss of life that the media likes to throw in the face of Christianity? About 125,000 persons were investigated by the Spanish Inquisition over a span of 450 years, of which an estimated 1.8% were executed (2,250 people).

    A little proportionality as interest. One 9/11 morning, murder committed in the name of ‘Allahu Akbar’ executed 3,000 without so much as differentiation, race, religion, or trial. And if we want to add simply race to the sin equation, the Rwandan Genocide was a genocidal mass slaughter of Tutsi and moderate Hutu in Rwanda by members of the Hutu majority. During the approximate 100-day period from April 7, 1994, to mid-July, an estimated 500,000–1,000,000 Rwandans were killed. Lovely “African” people.

    Tu nesi? Tu nesi? Where are you, Tu Nesi?

  202. Had he said Christians have a history of awful behavior but over time, they have repented and no longer commit violence against their neighbors, he would have occupied solid ground. He might have said it was time for Muslims to clean up their act and shun or expel the large minority who refuses to tolerate different beliefs.

    That would have been better. I agree.

    Once again James, I did NOT say Christianity caused slavery. When you guys lose the argument, you twist what I said so you can win the argument.

    The church in the American south tolerated slavery. I don’t care why. They did it. And racists DID justify their acts biblically. That’s a fact. Period.

  203. An interesting aside — I forget who it was but a lib sympathetic talking head this morning said Obama dislikes attending the National Prayer Breakfast and is therefore likely to try and poke them in the eye.

    One thing I have learned over 6 years is that often one has to defend Obama’s words without actually defending Obama because at his core he’s a spoiled brat.

  204. Why should they if it has nothing to do with them?

    You’re absolutely right Muffy and THAT is the huge logical abyss in Obamas rhetoric.

    ISIL and AQAP.are Muslim. They don’t represent all of Islam but they are Muslim. While I’m not sure it changes the course of history, Obama should call this what it is.

  205. Could Coates care a bit more about his African brothers? Maybe. But that’s not his gig. His gig is America.

    Now Tex you’ve tossed around grievance hustler etc., but you haven’t answered my two challenges:

    1) Refute Coates article with specifics.

    2) Provide six examples over 100 years that a southern church has tossed its slave holding racists out on the street.

    If you boys and girls want to understand black rage, read to yourselves out loud over and over again the words of the Vice President of the Confederacy.

    I have only one regret. I’m sad blacks let the anger pent up so long. They should have burned those plantations down back in the day and killed the racists running them. No wonder we as a race have such low self esteem. We waited for the white man to “free” us instead of freeing ourselves.

  206. Alfie if I understand your argument, you are saying religious institutions to some degree reflect the culture and times that they live in. That is the excuse for Christianity tolerating slavery.

    So, why does that reasoning not excuse Islam? ISIL and AQ are not without cultural context. Why does their context not “explain away” their atrocious behavior?

  207. @ Rutherford I don’t think the American church is the dictator of culture it is the sum of its addends. Keep in mind throughout most of US history & definitely the period we are speaking of, the religion of record was Protestant. The democracy inherent of the denominations under the Protestant umbrella allows for the congregants to dictate the culture of the church. Where as the Catholic Church for example has its dogma and doctrines that dictate to the parishioners.
    The extent to which US/global Christianity “tolerated” slavery wasn’t based in Church teachings or dictates,it was based in individuals basing life choices on the contextual understanding and interpretation of Scripture. Just like justifying the death penalty and taking oaths in court and contracts. This is the same reason the Abolitionists had what they had going for them on the other end of the issue.
    As for Islam you got nothing on me personally given my history. I will say that its innate inability to protect itself from the abusive actions is a problem.It’s this area that leads for the calls of a Reformation of some type to come to Islam. Islam is far more dogmatic which affords people like the Taliban,AQ and ISIL to establish apparent legitimacies. The line is very much blurred. For example the “trio” will kill people based on a passage in the Quran and will have fans as it were due to that. Likewise though Saudi Arabia will behead a woman for adultery,Iran will hang a drug dealer and Indonesia will cane someone based on the very same passages. Of course you also have cases where a Jewish hospital in Tehran has official funding and many non-Jewish patients and staff,and there is a town in Jordan that has a history of standing up for ISIL yet is known for its crime and drug use,things an ISIL Sharia court would kill you for. Just a few simple examples of the depths as it were.

  208. Tex, you can’t come up 6 examples of a slave holder that defiantly belonged to a church that denounced slave holding. Check and mate. 🙄

  209. Tex, you can’t come up 6 examples of a slave holder that defiantly belonged to a church that denounced slave holding. Check and mate. 🙄

    Once again maybe your ability to read English suffers. That’s not what I asked for. I won’t repeat it again. Go back and read it. The practice will do you good. 🙂

  210. You want a point by point refutation. So do I,.

    James I don’t know if this is the “challenge” Tigre was referring to but I don’t disagree with much of what you had to say.

    You on the other hand haven’t proven Coates wrong in his defense of the facts.

    When it comes to Obamas comments we can debate time and place. As I’ve said before he likely failed on that score. But factually he did not and I continue to find it interesting that most of the media focuses on the crusades part of the comment (which was a bit absurd) but avoids the Jim Crow part cos it hits way too close to home.

  211. “Playing word games? What does that even mean?”

    Word games?

    Which church are you talking about? Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Quaker? What?

  212. The church in the American south tolerated slavery. I don’t care why. They did it. And racists DID justify their acts biblically. That’s a fact. Period.

    Biblically. LOL. Gawd, you are a hypocrite, Rutherford. Only you got to stretch back 150 years to find it. If you held blacks or Muslims to the same standards you demand to hold whites, you couldn’t get out of bed.

    You did not answer one of my questions, Rutherford. Not one. I already refuted Coates and you missed it – not once, but twice. Africa has nothing to do with it. I’m simply demonstrating what an utter moron and hypocrite this imbecile Coates is.

    And frankly, I don’t know why whites are tolerating blatant black racism now, nor do I expect any of us to answer for bullshit slavery excuses for your massive modern negro cultural failures. Millions of whites are currently experiencing “negro” fatigue. It’s gone on for far too long. Thank you, Barack Obama – you’ve managed to do what 20 pandering white Presidents could have never done. Finally wake most of White America up.

    If you boys and girls want to understand black rage, read to yourselves out loud over and over again the words of the Vice President of the Confederacy.

    No need for whites to revert to mid 19th century to hold a grudge. Whites can talk about the 21st century – like now. If you want to understand the utter disgust and disdain by the vast majority of White America toward worthless black trash including the asshole Obama, read to yourselves this black racist piece of shit that is posing as a current Nebraska Congressmen. And then Rutherford, you show me the current equivalent white Congressman saying the same.

    State senator says all white people are racist and ‘polluted’ his blood

  213. Read it again. Slave holder thrown on the street. I guess by a church he didn’t belong to. Okay. Makes sense.

    I assume you didn’t even glance at the article I linked to. Big shock.

  214. Rutherford are you suggesting that slave holders belonged to a church that denounced slavery? Why is this so difficult for you.

    There again, I guess you believe there’s something called the Southern Church.

  215. Rutherford, since your so historically inept and motivated solely by rank black propaganda, let me bring the discussion down to your level where we can “share” discussion.

    Why would an Islamist like Obama sully himself at University started by Christian missionaries, then turn around and brag about his degree? Wouldn’t have been more worthy to attend one of those prestigious colleges of black heritage? Grambling? Howard? Tuskegee? Morehouse?

    And do you browbeat your wife because of her white guilt and privilege? 🙂

  216. I think my article refutes Coates central premise because he was selectively citing his authority. If you’re talking about direct attribution, I suspect that George Wallace espoused the beliefs stated. So?

    And you agree with James.

  217. “If you boys and girls want to understand black rage, read to yourselves out loud over and over again the words of the Vice President of the Confederacy.

    I have only one regret. I’m sad blacks let the anger pent up so long. They should have burned those plantations down back in the day and killed the racists running them. No wonder we as a race have such low self esteem. We waited for the white man to “free” us instead of freeing ourselves.”

    Why are we talking about black rage? Really.

    I suppose “black rage” does serve as something of an explanation for Obama’s lack of compassion for victims of radical Islam.

  218. We’re talking about black rage because Rutherford answers to Obama’s dog whistles.

    I noticed Rutherford skipped over the inquisition and India’s religious repression (Hindus??) mentioned by Obama.

    I’m guessing we won’t hear about the millions slaughtered by atheistic/communist regimes either.

    Thankfully he knocked out Nazis by saying that no one would bat an eye if told to get off their high horses by denouncing the holocaust or something.

  219. Tigre,

    Dog whistle is exactly the right description of how Obama manipulates the millions of Rutherford Lawson types. They roll over and sit, piss themselves in his holiness’s defense because Obama is one of “them.” cough cough All of those criticisms that Rutherford poses about Obama? Lies…he’s still the hoodwinked genuflecting rube and racialist we all knew back in 2008.

    And that will never change. Ever.

  220. I guess the first episode of “Better Call Saul” is on tonight. I really hope it’s funny. That character was my favorite part of Breaking Bad.

  221. I assume you didn’t even glance at the article I linked to. Big shock.

    London? Are you fucking kidding me?

    You should be sorry you urged me to read it. What about the virulently racist south of THE USA do you not understand?

  222. Rutherford are you suggesting that slave holders belonged to a church that denounced slavery? Why is this so difficult for you.

    Ok I’m really starting to worry about you.

    Let’s try again … read it slow … six documented cases of ANY brand of a congregation in the south having a pastor who railed against slavery and put his money where his mouth is and told his racist congregants “come back when you free your slaves”.

    A pastor with a congregation of slave holders (and no blacks I might add) isn’t doing jack shit to fight slavery.

    Neither you nor Tex can do it because CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE SOUTH TOLERATED SLAVERY.

  223. Tex I don’t browbeat my wife although I am very hard to live with.

    Any hypocrisy on Obama’s part isn’t the topic of discussion. We’re discussing the accuracy of his statement.

  224. “I have only one regret. I’m sad blacks let the anger pent up so long. They should have burned those plantations down back in the day and killed the racists running them. No wonder we as a race have such low self esteem. We waited for the white man to “free” us instead of freeing ourselves.”

    I meant to respond to this too.

    I won’t make the same mistake R. Black ragers would like for me to kneel on broken glass perhaps but I choose not to disregard that already has been laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom. (Lincoln, in part)

    The debt has been paid.

  225. I don’t recall any reference to London in Coates article. Did I miss it?

    I might add that in general Europe has been ahead of USA on progressive principles. This of course bothers you cos it’s sooooo socialist.

  226. “You should be sorry you urged me to read it. What about the virulently racist south of THE USA do you not understand?”

    Holy fuck you’re dumb. 😆 😆

    Couldn’t have consumed too much time for you.

  227. Why are we talking about black rage? Really.

    You’re right. I went off on a tangent. It’s just that reading the Confederate VP’s words really set me off. What fucking gall.

  228. I noticed Rutherford skipped over the inquisition and India’s religious repression (Hindus??) mentioned by Obama.

    Read again and again. I said the media is focusing on the crusades because that WAS the more absurd element of his comment. Bobby Jindal’s retort was clever and pretty much a bullseye.

  229. Muffy there is a difference between being angry and knowing what to do about it. Our history is no longer the white man’s problem. Blacks need to step up.

    To paraphrase Chris Rock, blacks shouldn’t be burning shit up, but sometimes I understand.

  230. Rutherford are you familiar at all with abolition? Ever heard the term “manumission” or how it was applied to Quakers and Methodists? I’ll et you look it up since you need the practice.

  231. Yes, as would the article I posted but you OBVIOUSLY didn’t read. Either that or you are so devoid of any understanding of the church in America you need to just shut the fuck up.

    Honestly. Do you anything, anything at all about abolition and the church? Are really this ignorant?

  232. <blockquote?You’re right. I went off on a tangent. It’s just that reading the Confederate VP’s words really set me off. What fucking gall.

    Hey Rutherford? No comment on the Nebraska Congressman? Since that’s 150 years more current than the insult Confederate Soldier’s insult, I assume that you’ll be the first to apologize for black racism?

    If instead of giving you six churches, I give you an entire Southern Abolitionist movement found by the American Baptists, will you kiss my lily white ass and admit to Tigre he’s about 1,000 times more intelligent than you?

    How about we place a bet? I prove you wrong beyond a reasonable doubt about all Southern Churches turning a blind eye to slavery, and if you’re wrong, you pen a long winded letter of apology about:

    (1) How Evil and Incompetent Barack Obama is
    (2) How Dishonest this racist Coates is
    (3) How utterly stupid and void you are?

    Do we have a gentlemen’s bet? All it costs you is some shame if that’s possible and a little black skin off your Angela Davis genetic ass? What you say?

  233. The Nebraska congressman if not taken out of context is an embarrassment.

    Oh well, if that’s the Congressman’s racist rant is, is an embarrassment, then I’m historically embarrassed by the Confederate Soldier’s statement. 🙄

    So you ready to pen an article of Rutherford shame, or are you going to conveniently miss that challenge to you too?

    Here’s the real question for the moral relativists Obama, Coates and Rutherford that needs to be answered so that they may prove their mettle.

    If forced to choose, would the Obama relativists choose to spend a weekend with ISIS or with Missouri-Synod Lutherans? Hmmm….

  234. “I said the media is focusing on the crusades because that WAS the more absurd element of his comment. Bobby Jindal’s retort was clever and pretty much a bullseye.”

    Just wanted to be sure you covered all the bases in your defense of Obama’s grand insight. So we’ve got it all covered and Christianity and slavery and Jim Crowe — at least the special types of “Christianity in the South, the ones not originating in England I guess (whichever ones those are) — covers that high horse we might climb up on.

    Just want to be clear on the deep and wise commentary from our nation’s, nay The World’s great professor. 😆

    Heavy man. Beheadings, immolation, rape, mass murder and slavery, and Jim Crowe and fair share. . . and meanwiches. So deep and insightful. I shall dismount my high horse and not judge.

  235. “A pastor with a congregation of slave holders (and no blacks I might add) isn’t doing jack shit to fight slavery.”

    You think so. Duh Gee, you got the point. 🙄

  236. Jim Crow was a Democrat. Southern Democrats supported slavery. The KKK was founded to stop the growth of black political power after Republicans made it possible for them to vote.The logic of making old white Christian sins equivalent to Muslims’ modern transgressions dictate that Democrats are unfit to hold office because they are a racist political party. Democrats tried to stop the Civil Rights Act and Republicans saved it. This illustrates their racism extended to modern memory.

    Its true some Democrats supported the legislation, and not all Democrats supported Jim Crow or the KKK, but Obama and his supporters were judging American attitudes and values of a segment, not the entire population of white Christians, many of whom are now dead. Obama and his allies want us to believe ISIS, Boko Haram, and other groups are not representative of Islam while they cite old Christian and white misdeeds which were much less violent on the whole as equivalent to what is happening today.

    Obama and his handmaidens have just told us that through their racism Democrats are not fit to hold political office. Brian Williams and Hillary’sr lies show they are definitely unfit for jobs influencing the public, but until now, I didn’t apply this to an entire political party.
    Logic tells me that if you defend Obama you are a racist who dislikes blacks. I have now seen the light.

    Rutherford, you wrote I had lost the argument. So far, I am winning. Which Republican candidate do you want to vote for ?

  237. Kiev estimates at least 5,000 people have died in Ukraine. German intelligence says as many as 50,000 people have died. Russia is also threatening the Baltic nations. The possibility of a war in Europe makes arguments of the misdeeds of dead southern Christians seem silly.

  238. James, your comments yesterday and today are thoughtful and germane. It’s s shame that Rutherford ran away from them believing he’s landed on some style or argument that’s persuasive but really just exposes his ignorance. Incredibly, even if you were to concede his points, it doesn’t address the arguments. Always misdirection. Watch MSNBC and you’ll see where it comes from. There’s a drum beat of the old “we need to have a discussion on race and now’s the time” bullshit.

    Of course no one explains why, why the president should instigate/antagonize to have it, why offering shallow offensive false equivalencies that mitigate the horrors we learn of every day, and why Obama time and again demonstrates no interest in dealing with any crisis outside of the domestic racial issues he is obsessed with and that the left exploits for political power. All of this terrorism is a distraction to Obama.

    Anyway, your comments are generally good ones. Perhaps Rutherford will try his had at the “intellectual discourse” he claims to want but so far has studiously avoided.

  239. “The possibility of a war in Europe makes arguments of the misdeeds of dead southern Christians seem silly.”

    Indeed. And it shows the world and our enemies Obama’s (and the left’s) priorities.

  240. Thanks el Tigre. We are about to leave for Omaha again, so I don’t know how much time I will have to check in.

    You don’t like most of my music videos, but this one is to illustrate a point. A few of my minimal Asian genes come from the Sami people. If anyone deserves to feel racial animosity, they do. Swedes enslaved some Sami and sent them to America.

    After New Sweden failed the British took Sami slaves. They were forced to become Christians after their shamen and rebels were burned alive. Their ceremonial drums were destroyed, and they were banned from singing upon pain of death. Their children were sent to boarding schools to educate the culture from them.Some countries even regulated the size of their houses.

    The Sami, through determination and positive behavior have won back many of their rights. Norway now recognizes their pagan religion. The joik was banned because it was of the devil. When someone joiks, he/she doesn’t sing about a subject, He/she becomes the subject. One cannot shame the community while singing because the singer is the community. The solidarity the joik represented is why it was considered so dangerous to the dominant society.

    Instead of burning buildings or attacking Swedes, Sofia channels Rush Limbaugh and flaunts her previously banned music.

    Sofia is singing about processing her Aunt Irene’s reindeer herd, but most of the song is a repetitive shamanistic chant.

    Any number of white, black, brown and mixed groups could tell similar stories of bigotry and oppression. American blacks suffered horribly and they still bear the legacy of those times, but why are they more special than others?

  241. Yes James, they were fitting. When Rutherford starts claiming “game, set and match,”, that simply means he’s out of bullets and heading for the tall weeds to hide. Notice Rutherford didn’t even attempt to address my question of where in the world blacks have it better than American – in all of history for that matter. Why? Because that would force Rutherford to confront the lies, distortions and answer with truth.

    Think about this. Rutherford has mentioned several times he’s tired about Jews whining about the Holocaust. But blacks can whine in perpetuity about slavery though there’s not a one living who experienced slavery like thousands of living Jews experienced the Holocaust first hand, and Rutherford applauds that dredging up slavery minute-after-minute appeals to better angels. “R” is blind as a bat about his double standards. This is what the Leftist black has come to expect – different standards because they’re ‘victims.’ It’s why they hate men like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell and Ben Carson – insane jealousy and it forces them to address the failure.

    It’s pretty obvious the Coates and Obama types need the slavery issue, now going on eight generations ago, to remain front and center as they need Jim Crow as excuse for their multitude of black failures – as if addressing slavery for the 3,234,512 time the highest calling of the universe. It’s their livelihood. Zzzz – slavery has become a bore and MLK wasn’t all that heroic. Don’t give a shit about the the history of pickin cotton anymore; there are far more important things. I’m tickled Selma is a box office failure. I hope Oprah Winfrey drops dead on TV.

    Like I said, “negro fatigue.” Whites owe blacks nothing. NOTHING. Barack Obama is not worthy of anything but contempt – he’s been an awful President and a worse person. Obama is clearly a racist and bigot. Fuck him.

  242. James, you’re right. I don’t care for your music or the flash mob stuff. Different strokes.

    But I am of Swedish descent. I am glad you aren’t asking for atonement like Rutherford seems to think is owed (especially since my ancestors had nothing to do with black slavery in America at all).

    Tex, I saw Selma. Meh. Some aspects were very good, some just the usual cartoonish imagery Rutherford deems historical comprehension. The actor that played MLK had a good look but this really awkward cadence that got so annoying. LBJ was well done but I don’t know enough about him to wade into the criticisms of his portrayal. MLK was off base as always.

    One thing I do know with absolute certainty: Obama’s slavery and Jim Crowe comments were intended to coincide with the movie. It’s no coincidence.

  243. I won’t watch Selma for free – not because of ubiquitous “negro fatigue” of which millions upon millions of law abiding whites citizens are now suffering, but anything affiliated with the physically grotesque, black racist Fat Harpo, I immediately dive for the remote. 😈

  244. G, I’m glad you landed here again. I wanted to get your thoughts on the Obama I ran strategy (I think you know what I am referring to — if not I’ll direct you) and whether our paper tiger president may be setting up a nightmare scenario in the middle east with an apparent secret strategy to establish a nuclear Iranian hegemony. Seems to me that the template of destabilize then control is being set by Putin and it was one that Iran could duplicate once ISIS is tamed.

    Alfie, Tex or anyone else with a thought would be of interest to me. And so there’s no mistake, I am extremely ignorant of the Middle East dynamics at play.

  245. Which Republican candidate do you want to vote for ?

    Chris Christie but it will never come to pass.

    James your analysis fails. Obama compared the PAST of one group to the present of another. He did not suggest that no change had occurred.

    Read Coates article. The last line is the only one that really matters:

    “If you are truly appalled by the brutality of ISIS, then a wise and essential step is understanding the lure of brutality, and recalling how easily your own society can be, and how often it has been, pulled over the brink.”

  246. Watch MSNBC and you’ll see where it comes from.

    Once again, fuck you please. You have zero idea how your MSNBC mindless blonde accusations outnumber the times I actually watch the network.

    Virtually EVERY political show on the TV covered the “controversy” and came down on different sides of the argument.

    Did I see Coates on MSNBC? Fuck no. I googled Christianity and slavery and it was near the top. I didn’t know Coates wrote it until I clicked on the article.

    You have got to be one of the dumbest folks I have encountered on the Net. A liberal man’s opinion matches what liberal outlets say and you assume some blind allegiance.

    I take it back. I honestly don’t think you’re THAT stupid. You just do it to piss me off and goddammed if it doesn’t work every time.

  247. Any number of white, black, brown and mixed groups could tell similar stories of bigotry and oppression. American blacks suffered horribly and they still bear the legacy of those times, but why are they more special than others?

    Absolutely James. Could you answer that question vis-a-vis the Holocaust which has elevated the Jewish people to permanent victims about whom no criticism can be made without being labeled an ant-Semite?

  248. Notice Rutherford didn’t even attempt to address my question of where in the world blacks have it better than American

    I ignored it because it was profoundly ignorant and racist. “Oooo thank you massa for saving me from my primitive origins.”

    What’s sad Tex is I don’t think you are racist … just too thoughtless to realize how arrogant and wrong your statement was.

  249. I ignored it because it was profoundly ignorant and racist. “Oooo thank you massa for saving me from my primitive origins.”

    Profoundly true is what you meant to say Don’t have an answer, do you ingrate? Because there isn’t one. Nothing is remotely close. Your primitive origins were Long Island…that’s what is such a joke – the “slave” that went to Christian Harvard.

    You’re truly confused and about every subject.

  250. Tex your history is soooo faulty. The Holocaust ended 70 years ago. Virtually every holocaust survivor is now dead. Yet their credo is “never forget”. And I’m down with that. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

    George Wallace blocked blacks from going to school IN OUR LIFETIME. This is recent history. And I say NEVER FORGET.

    Want more recent? Augusta country club banning blacks from membership until 1990.

    If blacks need to “give it a rest” then so do Jews.

    Blacks ALSO need to get their act together. Jews speak from a history of success which no doubt adds more credibility to their “whining”.

  251. One thing I do know with absolute certainty: Obama’s slavery and Jim Crowe comments were intended to coincide with the movie. It’s no coincidence.

    Ooo you’re sounding like Poolman.

  252. R, first, I love you man. But I don’t do it just to piss you off. I believe it and your endless references to all things MSNBC support my belief as does your hypersensitivity. It is your original source for “truth.”

    Second, I am that stupid.

    Now being the objective truth seeker that you are, why do you ignore so much of what’s discussed and asked of you here? I mean, you claim to want a late-night, cigarette smoking, dorm room, “intellectual discussion,” then disappear as soon as your challenges are met or assertions disproved.

    So, lets start with Coates since I linked what you strangely call the “London” article (London?? anyway) because of it. You have repeatedly asked anyone to refute a piece by piece “single fact” asserted in it (the conclusions and opinions you’ve said are different matter and you said you agree with James anyway). I have read the little Coates bit several times and I can’t not figure out what “facts” specifically you are talking about, and if conceded or refuted make one fucking bit of difference to the conclusion. There aren’t a lot of them. Please list the “facts” that if admitted as true mean that his conclusion is irrefutable. then explain what fucking difference it makes to this discussion. Can you at least do that?
    Seriously.

    I am still trying to figure out why you get all excited about the “slavery” and Jim Crowe” bit when the bigger problem with what Obama said. Yes. Most pre civil war Southern churches tolerated slavery, and yes we did in fact have Jim Crowe, and yes many Christians didn’t speak up about it (although many did too). Nobody disputes that. So what is the Gad damned point of this? What is your objective? I gave you the names of 6 southern Methodist preachers that you asked for. Why and what difference does it ultimately make? You sais he was trying to head off a holy war when the holy war already exists. A Jihad IS a holy war by definition. No one, no one at all is calling for some Christian jihad. WTF??

    Obama made a series of blindingly ignorant statements and from what I can tell you think if you salvage one by screaming about southern racial injustice you validated the whole mess. Straighten this out for me. Link it up man. At this point all I know for certain is that we share an interest in Better Call Saul, (which looks like it’ll be good to me).

    Just do it.

  253. Tex I dare you to walk up to ten random people, even ten random white people and say “slavery was a gift to the black man”.

    I’m not saying you’ll get a bloody lip but you’ll get a nasty look.

    LOL say it to ten random black people and I guarantee you’ll get a bloody lip.

  254. Oh and Tex I don’t have Massa to thank at all. I have my paternal grandparents to thank for immigrating from the West Indies and my maternal grandparents to thank for leaving the racist south for opportunity up here.

  255. Tigre this one is easy. There is only one fact which several on the board seem to want to deny… that southern racists (probably most but not all) used Christianity to justify their behavior. It was fundamental to the forming of the confederacy if the VP is to be believed.

    All Obama was saying is that every religion can be co opted by its crazies.

    If the argument was simply time and place of Obama’s statement the argument would have ended 60 comments ago. Dude doesn’t know when to STFU. The only problem is when people try to make his comment some sort of fiction. That’s when I get defensive.

  256. LOLOLOLOLOL Women angry at men who pretend to be women.

    Almost makes me embarrassed about my black/Jew comments. I must confess the aggrieved competition is funny.

  257. Tex your history is soooo faulty. The Holocaust ended 70 years ago. Virtually every holocaust survivor is now dead

    The oppressed black math student flunky from Harvard. The Registry of Holocaust Survivors currently contains the names of over 215,000 survivors and more are being added each year. How many negroes who were slaves are still living again?

    And I’m down with that. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

    Total baloney. You never miss the chance to criticize Jews and their mentioning the Holocaust and playing “victim.” But you believe like you’re dragging around a 90lbs cotton sack. 😈

    I’m not saying you’ll get a bloody lip but you’ll get a nasty look.

    I can say with complete confidence the vast majority of Whites in America agree with me to some degree and those numbers are growing exponentially as we speak. Period. Like I said – “victim fatigue” and fed up with excuses for failure, double standards, bad behavior, debased culture. Blacks are by ten fold the most racist demographic in America.

  258. Tex I didn’t compare the timing of the holocaust to slavery. What did George Wallace and Augusta country club have to do with slavery? You’re playing dodgeball – poorly.

    I stand corrected on the number of current holocaust survivors although I will fact check you. 215,000 tells me we’re talking about a lot who were children then.

  259. Total baloney. You never miss the chance to criticize Jews and their mentioning the Holocaust and playing “victim.” But you believe like you’re dragging around a 90lbs cotton sack. 😈

    Think what you like. If you guys showed one tenth the sympathy for the plight of blacks in YOUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY as you do for Jews an ocean away you’d never hear a peep out of me.

  260. Half of me wants to counter Rutherford’s outrage over the 1990 golf club that didn’t allow blacks with all the white victims of black crime but then I relised that this crap is a conversation about ISIS and the dude lit on fire.

    I stop dead in my tracks.

    WTF.

    Nah….

    I can’t help it.

    You fucking blacks owe me a mule, motherfucker. You burnt down the neighborhood around my family’s business, stuck up my Dad’s store twice, pointed a gun at me, put one to my brother’s head, gang raped my aunt, busted my Dad’ head open and left him for dead and mugged me at Cobo Hall for 60 bucks.

    Lol….I’m the victim. I want what’s mine. 40 acres and mule.

    Got that Rutherford? Your savage, feral people have victimized me and my kin countless times, many times race being the number one motivating factor. You….YOU….owe me.

    Worst president ever.

    This is the direction he leads in

  261. “All Obama was saying is that every religion can be co opted by its crazies.”

    That’s heavy. 🙄

    And undisputed.

  262. “The only problem is when people try to make his comment some sort of fiction. That’s when I get defensive.”

    What fiction?

  263. WTF are you talking about? I don’t have “sympathy” for Jews in another country any more or less than I have “sympathy” for any other group foreign or domestic. But I am keenly aware of what’s being demanded and taken from me from me, the pretexts offered for it, and the effects. Fuck man.

    Okay Jews. Get out there and pull yourselves up and stop looking for handouts and. . . oh yeah. Never mind.

    Damn, do you see your own co opting on issues of race, Mr. Privileged?

  264. “Want more recent? Augusta country club banning blacks from membership until 1990.”

    Aren’t Jews banned from certain country clubs too?

    “If blacks need to “give it a rest” then so do Jews.”

    Deal. Both groups can shut the fuck up. Let’s start with you then that incompetent President of yours.

    Our strategic relations with Israel are important. You stereotyping and hatred of Jews, domestic and foreign, is something different.

    Quit the smelly vagina debate.

  265. “Obama I ran strategy” — ET

    I’m not tracking, can you help me on this?

    “All Obama was saying is that every religion can be co opted by its crazies.” – R

    IF that is what Obama is saying, then why does he refuse to connect Islam to ISIL? Despite the fact that his Crusades history is wrong, whatever, if he is saying that the crusades were bad Christians, then why not say that ISIL are bad Muslims?

  266. “Think what you like. If you guys showed one tenth the sympathy for the plight of blacks in YOUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY as you do for Jews an ocean away you’d never hear a peep out of me.” — R

    I find this statement to be incredibly insulting. Sympathy? Most of us have empathy with many of the issues that the black community experiences. This is ultimately the major issue I have—the black community lives behind the façade that they alone are the only ones who have faced prejudice and challenges. That’s not only arrogant—you’re really the only “victim”—but incredibly ignorant.

    Explain to me, based on the actions of the black community over the last seven or eight years, why I should sympathize with them? Think about this before you answer it…

    Martin Luther King, Jr.:
    “Life’s most persistent and urgent question is, ‘What are you doing for others?’”

    “The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character – that is the goal of true education.”

    “Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable… Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.”

    “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

    “Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.”

    “Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him.”

    “Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality.”

    Frederick Douglass:
    “Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.”

    “People might not get all they work for in this world, but they must certainly work for all they get.”

    “A little learning, indeed, may be a dangerous thing, but the want of learning is a calamity to any people.”

    George Washington Carver:
    “Education is the key to unlock the golden door of freedom.”

    “How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these.”

    “Ninety-nine percent of the failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses.”

    “There is no short cut to achievement. Life requires thorough preparation – veneer isn’t worth anything.”

    “When you can do the common things of life in an uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.”

  267. First off, that was a very, very interesting article. I couldn’t really find fault with the logic or the structure of his argument and the facts certainly bear out his conclusions. It’d be worth it for all to read this.

    There were some things that especially jumped out to me, that warrant highlighting.

    When Obama strode into office and announced his desire to kiss the snake, the Saudis lost no time in making their displeasure felt. Three months later, the king responded gruffly to an extensive presentation on Obama’s outreach program by Dennis Ross, then a senior official in the State Department with responsibility for Iran. “I am a man of action,” Abdullah said according to a New York Times report. “Unlike you, I prefer not to talk a lot.” He then posed a series of pointed questions that Ross could not answer. “What is your goal? What will you do if this does not work? What will you do if the Chinese and the Russians are not with you? How will you deal with Iran’s nuclear program if there is not a united response?” The questions added up to a simple point: your Iran policy is based on wishful thinking.

    Of course these questions should have been asked before Obama came up with this strategy.

    By the summer of 2012, one problem overshadowed all others: Syria—and behind Syria, Iran. Erdoğan watched in horror as the Iranians together with their proxies, Hizballah and Iraqi Shiite militias, intervened in the Syrian civil war. Iranian-directed units were not only training and equipping Bashar Assad’s forces in his battle for survival, but also engaging in direct combat. At the same time, within the Syrian opposition to Assad, a radical Sunni jihadi element was growing at an alarming rate. In short order, the Turks were adding their voice to a powerful chorus—including Saudi Arabia, the Gulf sheikhdoms, and the Jordanians—urgently requesting that Washington take action to build up the moderate Sunni opposition to both Assad and Iran.
    The director of the CIA, David Petraeus, responded to this request by America’s regional allies with a plan to train and equip Syrian rebels in Jordan and to assist them once back in Syria. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all supported the Petraeus plan. But Obama rejected it.
    Why? Undoubtedly the president had a mix of reasons and possible motives, which were the objects of extensive speculation in the media. But one motive was never included in the list: namely, his fear of antagonizing Iran.

    This will go down as Obama’s greatest foreign policy failing. The threat posed to the West by the Syrian crisis has mushroomed, and Obama will be largely blamed for the situation—as he should be. The notion that Islamic extremists would not heed the immortal words of Rahm Emmanuel, and not allow the Syria crisis “go to waste”, is beyond naive, because Obama was warned many, many times about the emergence of the Islamic terrorist groups exploiting the situation.

    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov offered the president a way to regain his balance. Russia and the United States, Lavrov proposed, would cooperate to strip Assad of his sarin gas. From the sidelines, the Iranians publicly applauded the proposal, and Obama jumped to accept it.
    But the deal was a quid pro quo. In return for a minor (though highly visible) concession from Assad, Obama tacitly agreed not to enter the Syrian battlefield. In effect, the Russians, Assad, and the Iranians were offering him, and he was accepting, surrender with honor, enabling him to say later, with a straight face, that the episode was a successful example of his coercive diplomacy. “Let’s be very clear about what happened,” he bragged in his March 2014 interview. “I threatened [sic] kinetic strikes on Syria unless they got rid of their chemical weapons.” In reality, Assad only gained—and gained big. Obama immediately muted his calls for Assad to step down from power, and his behavior thoroughly demoralized the Syrian opposition. Nor did the deal stop Assad from launching further chemical attacks. Once deprived of his sarin stockpiles, he simply switched to chlorine.

    That red line…

    Instead, he [Obama] envisioned, in Remnick’s words, “a new geostrategic equilibrium, one less turbulent than the current landscape of civil war, terror, and sectarian battle.” Who would help him develop the strategy to achieve this equilibrium? “I don’t really even need George Kennan right now,” the president responded, alluding to the acknowledged godfather of the cold-war strategy of containment. What he truly needed instead were strategic partners, and a prime candidate for that role was—he explained—Iran.

    Obama was here revealing his main rationale in 2012 for rejecting the Petraeus plan to arm the Syrian opposition that we examined earlier. Clearly, the president viewed the anti-Assad movement in Syria just as he had viewed the Green Movement in Iran three years earlier: as an impediment to realizing the strategic priority of guiding Iran to the path of success. Was the Middle East in fact polarized between the Iranian-led alliance and just about everyone else? Yes. Were all traditional allies of the United States calling for him to stand up to Iran? Yes. Did the principal members of his National Security Council recommend as one that the United States heed the call of the allies? Again, yes. But Obama’s eyes were still locked on the main prize: the grand bargain with Tehran.

    This is the epitome of hubris and naiveté. Essentially, Obama in this move is shifting from supporting the hegemony of Saudi Arabia in the Middle East to supporting the idea of a new hegemony of Iran. This becomes a significant issue when you consider the sectarian make-up of Iran and the rest of the Muslim Middle East—and yes, that really matters—and the history of Iran’s theocracy. This premise throws all of our Arab allies in the region under the bus—worse, it makes them our enemy as they fight to push off Iranian subversion. Don’t believe it? Look at Yemen, as the Iranian backed Shi’a Houthis just overthrew the majority Sunni government in Sana’a. Saudi Arabia is loving that I’m sure, not to mention the fact that now groups like AQAP will be able to engender massive popular support against what will be viewed as a puppet, apostate regime from Iran.

    Well done…

    Last June, when Islamic State warriors captured Mosul in northern Iraq, the foreign-policy approval ratings of the president plummeted, and Obama’s critics claimed, not for the first time, that he had no strategy at all. Ben Rhodes sprang to his defense, suggesting that despite appearances to the contrary, the administration actually had a plan, if a hitherto unannounced one. “We have longer-run plays that we’re running,” he said. “Part of this is keeping your eye on the long game even as you go through tumultuous periods.”
    The administration has subtly exploited the rise of the Islamic State to elevate Obama’s outreach to Iran. Behind the scenes, coordination and consultation have reached new heights.
    Rhodes offered no details, and subsequent events seemed to confirm the impression that Obama actually had no long game. In addition to being caught flat-footed by Islamic State, moreover, he was reversing himself on other major issues: sending troops back to Iraq after having celebrated their homecoming, ordering military operations in Syria that he had opposed for years. How could such reversals be consistent with a long game?
    The answer is that the reversals, although real, involved much less than met the eye, and the long game remained in place. In August, it seemed as if the American military was preparing to mount a sustained intervention in both Iraq and Syria; today, however, it is increasingly apparent that Obama has at best a semi-coherent containment plan for Iraq and no plan at all for Syria—a deficiency that was obvious from the start. At a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, Senator Marco Rubio pointed to the obvious weaknesses in the administration’s approach, and asked John Kerry how to fix them. Kerry stunningly suggested that the gaps would be filled by . . . Iran and Assad. “[Y]ou’re presuming that Iran and Syria don’t have any capacity to take on” Islamic State, Kerry said. “If we are failing and failing miserably, who knows what choice they might make.”
    Here, giving the game away, Kerry provided a glimpse at the mental map of the president and his top advisers. The administration has indeed subtly exploited the rise of terrorist enclaves to elevate Obama’s outreach to Iran. Behind the scenes, coordination and consultation have reached new heights.

    This, if true (and I’ve not any reason to doubt his argument), is breathtaking. If Obama’s response to the crisis of ISIL was not one of incompetence, but rather was a deliberate ploy, allowing the groups and the Islamic extremist factions to gather strength so as to draw Iran and Syria into a stronger position. I mean wow…

    In November 2013, when Obama purchased the participation of Iran in the Joint Plan of Action, he established a basic asymmetry that has remained a key feature of the negotiations ever since. He traded permanent American concessions for Iranian gestures of temporary restraint.

    Yup. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that Iran would not pursue nuclear weapons. None. This will haunt the West for decades, or longer, if/when this occurs.

    Khamenei’s hard line no doubt came as a surprise to Obama. When the president first approved the JPOA, he failed to recognize a key fact: his twin goals of liberating Iran from its international isolation and stripping the Islamic Republic of its nuclear capabilities were completely at odds with each other. From Obama’s perspective, he was offering Khamenei an irresistible deal: a strategic accommodation with the United States. Iran analysts had led the president to believe that Khamenei was desperate for just such an accommodation, and to achieve that prize he was searching only for a “face-saving” nuclear program—one that would give him a symbolic enrichment capability, nothing more. What soon became clear, however, was that Khamenei was betting that Obama would accommodate Iran even if it insisted on, and aggressively pursued, an industrial-scale program.

    Again, to be so naïve, and yet so arrogant, to not see what is obvious.

    Again, great article ET. I agree 100%. This, however, changes my perception from one of stupidity to one of malice. Unbelievable…

  268. “Yup. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that Iran would not pursue nuclear weapons. None. This will haunt the West for decades, or longer, if/when this occurs.”

    Seems obvious to me that that a deliberately permitted nuclear Iran is precisely what Obama is negotiating. Iranian hegemony. Aye Chihuahua.

    Even if this strategy worked in the short run, a destabilizing and realignment of major military powers (not just possible but probable) we could have a crises of epic proportions.

    From what I’ve been reading (and hearing) this is the prevailing theory of what’s going on.

    Glad you liked the piece. I had frankly assumed you had read or were aware of it already.

    And Rutherford dismisses Israel’s reaction.

  269. You have a point, Rutherford. One difference is that Jews are still being singled out for death or persecution. Systematically killing millions of Jews was worse than what was done to blacks through years of slavery. Gypsies and others were also murdered, but they have become after thoughts. That is because Jews are more numerous and have louder voices.

    Obama’s and his allies’ sin was to say in effect we were persecuted years ago, so that makes what Muslims are doing not so bad.

    Marie Boine, a Sami said in effect “After the demonstrations against the power plant and my education at teachers college, a volcano erupted inside of me. I was filled with anger and rage that had to get out, because I had learned what was done to my people. So, I started writing songs about this.” She became a famous and rich singer instead of burning buildings.

  270. R – “Think what you like. If you guys showed one tenth the sympathy for the plight of blacks in YOUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY as you do for Jews an ocean away you’d never hear a peep out of me.”

    But there is a very big difference between US Jews and US blacks, isn’t there? Can you tell me what it is?

  271. “Neither you nor Tex can do it because CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE SOUTH TOLERATED SLAVERY.”

    The first rule of anthropology is that you do not judge historical people and events by modern standards.

  272. Lol….I’m the victim. I want what’s mine. 40 acres and mule.

    Sorry to sound like a prick Rabbit but it’s about time they burnt down a neighborhood other than their own. Shit, I didn’t even know they did that.

    The only mistake they made is that you and your kin ain’t “the man”. They should’ve gone further uptown and burnt down some rich neighborhoods. 🙂

  273. “215,000 tells me we’re talking about a lot who were children then.”

    Your point being? Wtf?

    Jeesh I knew someone would call that out but I thought it would be Tigre. I was just thinking out loud. Wasn’t making a point.

    When I asserted that most holocaust survivors were dead by now I was thinking about the adults who were liberated.

  274. And undisputed.

    Tigre I think you greatly underestimate the degree to which it is disputed.

    Just look at the video that G posted asserting that jihad is a permanent omnipresent piece of Islam. The implication being that Islam is unique in its crazies.

  275. Okay Jews. Get out there and pull yourselves up and stop looking for handouts and. . . oh yeah. Never mind.

    I actually think I said that. Go back and read the transcript … not selectively this time.

  276. IF that is what Obama is saying, then why does he refuse to connect Islam to ISIL?

    Actually G, I heard something yesterday from a Daily Beast reporter that was new to me. Arab nation leaders have actually asked Obama not to refer to the terrorists as Islamic because THEY don’t want to legitimize ISIL with the Muslim stamp.

  277. G thanks for the quotes. Look I have fully acknowledged the “black community” has a terrible culture problem including but not limited to an aversion to self sufficiency.

    One of the things you guys don’t understand is that 80% of my statements, particularly on race, are a REACTION to the climate I sense here. I’m not gonna throw the brothas on the pyre as long as I’ve got someone here telling me slavery was a blessing.

  278. Pools Oliver’s piece on pharma was brilliant. I swear, I’ve seen pharma salesmen enter my doctors waiting room with a stack of pizzas. Until I saw Oliver’s piece I didn’t know what the hell was going on.

  279. “One difference is that Jews are still being singled out for death or persecution.”

    Another difference is I am not being blamed for the sins of others with demands of atonement.

  280. Another difference is I am not being blamed for the sins of others with demands of atonement.

    Didn’t Germans who had nothing to do with Jewish oppression pay reparations?

    My hats off to Germany for properly acknowledging the shame they SHOULD feel as a country for this dark chapter. Nothing comparable in USA where virulent bigots had to be dragged kicking and screaming into civil rights for all.

    The south has never exhibited shame comparable to Germany. Shit, plantations, the very symbol of black oppression are TOURIST attractions.

  281. “Oh please stop, will ya?”

    No. What fucking fiction. Again, show me.

    Gorilla’s piece educates you fucking bone head. “The implication being that Islam is unique in its crazies.”

    The implication is that Obama’s and YOUR understanding of the crusades is way off base. I swear. I’ve never known anyone so damn scared of knowledge. Everything is a narrative and confirmation bias for you. It’s why I said you’re wasted cause. You’re late night dorm room meetings of the brain trust must have been fucking hoot.

    And for fuck’s sake, the “climate” around here and elsewhere is the one YOU and your liberal co opting grievance monsters create with your chest poking shit. This whole thread is a testament to it.

  282. And for fuck’s sake, the “climate” around here and elsewhere is the one YOU and your liberal co opting grievance monsters create with your chest poking shit. This whole thread is a testament to it.

    Sounds like a variation on Alphonse and Gaston.

    “You offended me.”
    “No you offended me first my dear Gaston.”
    “No you offended me first, my dear Alphonse.”

  283. You know Rutherford, your ignorance is so extensive you really haven’t got anything to say amounting an “intellectual discussion.” Though you’d never admit it, I know you know that.

  284. I watched the second episode of Better Call Saul last night and had an epiphany. Saul is Joe Biden. For real. The off base cheese ball folksy cliché’s could all be mouthed by Joe Biden. His law school performance (bottom 3 from a third tier school after being booted) is right on par with Saul too.

  285. Oh, to quote my Australian friend Parker, oh bloody hell.

    1) Tigre Obama said Muslims aren’t the only ones with crazies.

    2) I said some are portraying that as fiction.

    3) You said “not so much”.

    4) I said G’s video factual though it may be on the events it portrays, is meant to suggest Islam is overrun by its crazies, had a crazy as its prophet, and is every bit a crazy religion – the very conclusion Obama is trying to steer away from.

    I’m not sure it helps us defeat the enemy when we deny our common humanity and the dark impulses that we ALL share.

  286. THEY don’t want to legitimize ISIL with the Muslim stamp.

    Exactly. Because most if not all are not. And those supporting them are certainly not. Muslims in those areas know where the weapons, training, and funding have come from. It is nothing new. Many have joined the fight against the imperialist invaders. But ISIL is pitting them against each other helping the very imperialist invaders divide and conquer. It’s textbook. Who benefits by splitting up and terrorizing the populations in these areas? Unfortunately your western media feeds you fear rather than facts. There is no longer separation between Hollywood and the snews.

  287. LOL The Joe Biden Saul equivalency does have a shred of merit.

    Tigre, even though it’s an outrageous portrayal, did you/do you know any lawyers like Jimmy? Just how fictional is he?

  288. No. I really, really don’t know any lawyers like that. I do know some bottom feeders but not in that vain. I just find the character extremely humorous.

  289. “1) Tigre Obama said Muslims aren’t the only ones with crazies.”

    Undisputed.

    2) I said some are portraying that as fiction.

    “You said that, no one else did though. They are not mutually exclusive.”

    3) You said “not so much”.

    I don’t what this means. I term searched and the only hit for “not so much is” is you No. 3.

    “4) I said G’s video factual though it may be on the events it portrays, is meant to suggest Islam is overrun by its crazies, had a crazy as its prophet, and is every bit a crazy religion – the very conclusion Obama is trying to steer away from.”

    Islam is overrun by crazies and Obama is trying to steer away from that. So, undisputed.

    Next.

  290. “I’m not sure it helps us defeat the enemy when we deny our common humanity and the dark impulses that we ALL share.”

    To presume that’s a lesson we need to learn is arrogance beyond compare.

    I keep waiting for you or one of the other scholars here or anywhere to educate us all how radical Islam is not Islam. Having failed to do so now the narrative is changing to sweep us all up in how ALL people have bad in them.

    Oh, that’s what the great orator is saying.

    blink blink

    Radical Islamists light a man on fire and film him burn and the president of the United States thinks that the problem he needs to address ISLAMAPHOBIA??

  291. “Radical Islamists light a man on fire and film him burn and the president of the United States thinks that the problem he needs to address ISLAMAPHOBIA??”

    And the problem our blog hosts thinks he needs to address is white atonement to the blacks.

    “If anything Obama is justifying Muslims tolerating radical Islam.”

    Yes that’s the ONLY point. Ain’t Obama fucking brilliant. . . and all “nuancy?” What would we do without him?

    Now ISIL is on a tear and the middle east is in flames. Can we please get back to slavery and Jim Crowe? There’s a climate around here that doesn’t seem accommodating enough to black rage.

  292. BTW, that first scene with Saul giving his closing for the teenage boys had me in stitches. “Come on. You’re bigger than that.”

    Then you learn what they’d done when the prosecutor plays the video without a single word and sits down.

    Fucking great.

  293. The question is why should whites, none of who had a damn thing to do with slavery, very few who had a damn thing to do with Jim Crow, whose ancestors not only freed the black slaves an an enormous cost, but have in large part provided black progeny the best place to live on earth, feel obligated to help blacks at all after the vast majority of blacks practice blatant racism towards whites day, after day, after day.

    I condemn most whites for tolerating the outrageous black bullshit, black thuggery, and black demands.

  294. 3) You said “not so much”.

    I don’t what this means. I term searched and the only hit for “not so much is” is you No. 3.

    Why do I write stuff that I know you will nitpick?

    No you didn’t say “not so much”. But you said Obamas commentary that Islam is not alone in being co opted was a fact that is not disputed, to which I replied YES it is disputed by some.

    I’ll go back and paste the actual words that were used. 🙄

    “All Obama was saying is that every religion can be co opted by its crazies.”

    That’s heavy. 🙄

    And undisputed.

    El Tigre , February 9, 2015 at 11:11 pm “

  295. BTW, that first scene with Saul giving his closing for the teenage boys had me in stitches. “Come on. You’re bigger than that.”

    I get a kick out of his practicing in the men’s room. 🙂

  296. Recent Italian Court Decisions on Vaccines and Autism

    ,i>On September 23, 2014, an Italian court in Milan award compensation to a boy for vaccine-induced autism. (See the Italian document here.) A childhood vaccine against six childhood diseases caused the boy’s permanent autism and brain damage. While the Italian press has devoted considerable attention to this decision and its public health implications, the U.S. press has been silent.

    Unlike American victims of vaccine injury, the Italian plaintiffs didn’t have to sue GSK; they sued the Ministry of Health. In both the Milan and Rimini decisions, the plaintiffs won compensation based on findings that vaccines caused autism. One might say that these cases achieved nothing more than a small payout for injured children. But arguably the families, lawyers and medical experts behind these cases achieved far more. They took the issue of vaccine-induced autism to impartial courts, and they got clear a clear judicial answer based on the evidence: vaccines cause autism.

    I’m guessing big pharma doesn’t own Italy yet like it does us.

  297. Just like Rutherford, Obama and all of his spokespeople spend the day denying the kosher deli attack was anti-Semitic. 🙄

  298. Just like Rutherford, Obama and all of his spokespeople spend the day denying the kosher deli attack was anti-Semitic.

    Was that a joke or did you read that somewhere?

    Hey even i admitted that was bonehead of me.

  299. No. They really did. Obama said it was a random attack. Then. . . well. . . Earnest. . . then. . .Jesus. If Obama told the truth no one would believe him.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-shooting-kosher-market-paris-random/story?id=28871389

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/state-dept-doubles-down-defending-obama-claim-that-kosher-deli-attack-was-random/

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/02/10/white-house-defends-obamas-remark-on-kosher-deli-attack-in-paris/

    One of the attackers called an outlet and said he was there to shoot Jews for fuck’s sake.

  300. Thanks Poolman. I liked it. Ukrainian women tend to be intelligent well-educated and outspoken with traditional attitudes toward families. And don’t mess with their tomatoes.

    However, these women appear to be Russian immigrants. They mentioned not being able to speak Russian. Ukraine has been part of Russian culture for generations. The Soviets reinforced the connection by sending thousands of its people to settle Ukraine and other subject nations.

    This is in a way the future western Europe faces with un- integrated immigrants.

  301. While we compare grievances, consider this. Stalin’s policy of forced starvation killed at least seven million Ukrainians as he tried to crush an independence movement which long predated the Soviet Union. With the collapse of the Czars, Ukrainians declared independence and re-established their ancient capital of Kiev as the national capital.

    Kulaks were wealthy farmers who Stalin believed would be the back bone of future revolutions. To destroy them, he collectivised the land and made them homeless. The law forbade helping the Kulaks. The hard times coincided with a drought which made matters worse.

    Many were deported to cold places like Siberia, and the rest became virtual factory employees in the collective farms.

    I’m wildly overstating the similarity but Operation Choke Point comes to mind.

  302. A Neanderthal man was wounded by an arrow about 30,000 years ago. He survived and the wound healed, though the arrow stayed between his ribs. Based on the style of arrow, the perp was one of our direct ancestors. Shouldn’t we be paying penance?

  303. They mentioned not being able to speak Russian.

    Going by the translation, she says that they all speak Russian at the 1:30 mark and at the 1:40 mark claims their government has made doing so illegal and if they support the Russians they are made out to be traitors. She is definitely anti Poroshenko and anti Nato.

    We have established our puppet Poroshenko with his nazi regime there in Ukraine. The woman’s rant reinforces that and she isn’t very happy about it. Sounds like the Ukrainian people are more aware than most Americans. This article also confirms what boots on the ground have been reporting, all of which proves western media liars.

    The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”

    In other words: He is explicitly and clearly denying the very basis for the EU’s sanctions against Russia, and for the U.S.’s sanctions against Russia: all of the sanctions against Russia are based on the falsehood that Ukraine is fighting against “the regular units of the Russian army” — i.e., against the Russian-Government-controlled-and-trained fighting forces.

    The allegation to the effect that Ukraine is instead fighting against “regular units of the Russian army” is the allegation that Vladimir Putin’s Russia has invaded Ukraine, and it is the entire basis for the economic sanctions that are in force against Russia.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrainian-government-no-russian-troops-are-fighting-against-us-sanctions-against-russia-based-on-falshoods/5428523

  304. “I think David is mixing up my personal feelings with my position on the issue,” Obama said in an interview with BuzzFeed News published Tuesday.

    The president said that while he “always felt” that same-sex couples should be afforded the same legal rights as heterosexual couples, he acknowledged that it was “frustrating to me not to, I think, be able to square that with what were a whole bunch of religious sensitivities out there.”

    Just shut up you damn phony. I thought I couldn’t hate a lying sack of shit in office more than Bill Clinton until Obama.

    God I wish he’d just shut up.

  305. Last night I’m watching the talking heads waiting for the basketball game, and they interrupt the show for several minutes ruminating how life changing it is that Brian “Rambo” Williams is being suspended for six months. ❓

    WTH? What average Joe gives a chit about Brian Williams. Hell yes, he’s a liar but half the country already knew that. Our media is worthless and self-important. It’s as if the American public is stunned that a TV anchor could be a mentally unbalanced narcissist. LOL

    Chit, every alphabet network anchor I can think of in my lifetime has been a hardcore Lefty, megalomaniac and faux intellectual – all of them, starting with Uncle Walty. Dan Rather once announced the famous line, “Fake, But Accurate.” You don’t get more stilted than that. It’s a prerequisite to be a Lefty, you’ve got to be: (1) immoral; (2) debased; (3) pathological liar; (4) a useful idiot; (5) a hypocrite.

    These are the cornerstones, along with envy and greed, of the American Democratic Party – and the alphabet anchors are the mouthpiece.

    The only surprise is the MSM isn’t trying to cover up – looks like envy and greed outweighed useful idiocy and hypocrisy this go around.

  306. Had to laugh yesterday. The media made this huge deal about the first “African-American” little league American baseball team winning the championship last year. Gushed on and on. From the greater Chicago area (Rutherford/Obama country) if memory serves. That area seems to be a haven for debauchery.

    Now, it seems the title has been taken away. 😈

    The first “African-American” little league champion cheated like hell, recruiting and such outside the district. But the real reason is racisss – white devils. 😛

  307. I was in a hurry and entertaining our grand daughter. I should have written they were forbidden to speak Russian. This is war, and Ukrainian is fighting for its existence while Russia tries to expand its old empire to Soviet borders. If these people support the Russian invasion which is what it is, they are technically traitors to Ukraine. If as I suspect many are Russian transplants from several generations back they can as easily be described as Russian patriots.

    I think Russian troops have joined the battle, and even if they haven’t, Russia is giving them substantial help. If they were an indigenous grass roots uprising as claimed they wouldn’t have such sophisticated weaponry, and they wouldn’t have shot down an air liner.

    We should be strengthening Ukraine’s military and let them fight on more even ground.

  308. Young Oakland Girls Called ‘Radical Brownies’ Learn Social Justice Instead Of Selling Cookies

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/02/10/radical-brownies-girl-scouts-social-justice-oakland-black-lives-matter-protests/

    It is utterly amazing how many black parents, or should I say parent, manipulate their children into mindless hatred like Hamas – fodder for the cause, I suppose. If I didn’t know better, cough cough, I would swear large parts of Africa America have an unholy alliance with radical Islam.

  309. Frustrating that social media works the way it does. 300k + tweets on the chapel hill NC shooting. All looking to declare it anti Muslim when all signs point parking spot rage.

  310. Better yet, the usual lefty agitators started with their Giffords-style pin it on the evil racist right bullshit. By all accounts, the guy was a libby that spent a lot of time watching Maddow and reading Huffpo.

  311. Tex since I assume you’re a big fan of Joe McCarthy (just your kind of witch hunter dude) it follows you hate Edward R. Murrow, the standard bearer of TV journalism.

    The Vietnam war, like Iraq, became an increasingly foolish war no fault of the young men sent there to die. That Cronkite finally spoke out against it is to his credit.

    Iraq is as much the fault of a complacent media as it is Bush and Cheney.

  312. Circa 1970, Norman Lear introduced to America an ignorant bigot named Archie Bunker. Over several years as we got to know Archie better, we discovered his humanity. We understood he had a big heart. Fear of change drove him, not hatred.

    Tex, I think you’d bust your ass for a neighbor in need, white or black. I think you’ve got a huge heart. And after seven years of “knowing” you I can honestly say I’ve met the closest real life Archie I am ever likely to meet.

    Lear’s point was that we all have a bit of Archie in us. Tex, your Archie is strong.

    And yes I am a meathead.

  313. Tex since I assume you’re a big fan of Joe McCarthy (just your kind of witch hunter dude) it follows you hate Edward R. Murrow, the standard bearer of TV journalism.

    You do know the evil McCarthy was later proven right, don’t you? That’s always ignored by the MSNBC hacks and their idiot audience of dozens, who love to throw up McCarthy but turn the blind eye to Leftist trait of aiding and abetting the enemy – including currently Islamists.

    I can’t speak for Murrow as that before my time, and you may love Cronkite, Rutherford. And it figures you would since like Obama, you find America imperialist, racist and evil. But the majority of those serving in Vietnam didn’t and believed Cronkite about two steps up from Jane Fonda in serving the rank propaganda, especially during the turning point of the Vietnam War, the Tet offensive, when Cronkite announced “the war lost” – which was a blunder of epic proportions. That’s a myth that Walter Cronkite is beloved by all of America.

    By the way, you pretending to speak for the military? Exactly what lends you credibility, coward, to speak for those who fought in Iraq and believed it a just and necessary war – believed in the mission enough to serve multiple deployments? Have you seen thousands of Vets criticizing George W. Bush recently? If so, please explain to me how men like Chris Kyle and Marcus Littrell, heroes that your completely unfamiliar with, still sing the praises of George Bush? Have you ever witnessed the applause George Bush receives in comparison to the coward Obama by those currently serving? They line the brothas and the man haters up behind Obama for the cameras just so he isn’t booed off the stage.

    You conveniently ignored some weeks back a poll showing 15% of the American military approves of their current CiC’s leadership and wisdom.

    I’d be real curious. Why don’t you step up to the plate for once and explain that little inconvenient fact, Rutherford, if Obama so wise and wonderful? His own men loathe the POS. Eat that shit sandwich.

  314. I just posted this to Facebook but I thought it might amuse a few of you.

    So my kid comes home from school yesterday from her first ever “sex education” class and I can’t wait to tease her.

    “Hey I have a question. Does the stork have to be bigger to deliver the bigger babies?”

    The kid knows the name of every anatomical part down under but says to me:

    “What’s a stork?”

  315. Tex I’ve heard more than a few soldiers say they’re not at war “on principle” they are there to protect their brothers. From what I understand the average soldier knows little about the military strategy afoot. He understands he is a pawn on the chessboard and he just wants to make sure his fellow pawns don’t get killed.

    My bet is the average GI doesn’t give a rats ass about Bush or Obama. He wants to get the job done. Worrying about “the big picture” will distract him from the small one and get him killed.

  316. I’m just saying I have seen actual fighting soldiers on the teevee, not generals, say that strategy is not why they are there.

    Many are very job oriented, very tactical and very interested in survival.

    Now are you objecting because you want me to say every soldier is out there thinking about truth, justice and the American Way? Why do you find practicality offensive? Why must it be romanticized?

  317. Because their disdain for Obama is not based on ignorance or irrationality. Your love of him is.

    You so-called reasons for dismissiveness is insulting.

  318. From what I understand the average soldier knows little about the military strategy afoot. He understands he is a pawn on the chessboard and he just wants to make sure his fellow pawns don’t get killed.

    Oh, I see. So the American military, specifically the American soldier, has moved from drafted baby killer in ’73, to volunteer mercenary circa 2003, to witless meat head and imbecile in 2015 from the Leftist vantage point.

    Okay. Well, I’m not sure that isn’t right in line with Emperor Obama’s world view too.

    😈 Thank for clearing that up. 😈 I give you major kudos for answering that question.

  319. Tigre do enjoy contact with my saliva so much that you just can’t stop putting words in my mouth?

    I’m quite sure those soldiers who DO dislike Obama are completely rational and have their own reasons to feel the way they do. But I’m guessing most soldiers on the field don’t give a fuck about politics. They’ve got bigger fish to fry.

  320. witless meat head and imbecile

    Huh? I didn’t call them witless or dumb. I suggested they have practical tactical concerns that trump your image of what true patriotism is.

    Take your lazy ass out to the battlefield and see how fast your survival instincts kick in. See how fast you develop a sense of duty to keep the guy next to you alive and see how fast you forget about Obama.

    That’s all I’m saying.

  321. Huh? I didn’t call them witless or dumb. I suggested they have practical tactical concerns that trump your image of what true patriotism is.

    How can they have tactical concerns if their clueless dimwits that and I quote, “From what I understand the average soldier knows little about the military strategy afoot.”

    Can I remind you in part what makes the American military so lethal are these are all volunteers that want to be a part of something greater and have no “brothers” unless it’s the physical kind the day they show up? You make it sound like the average soldier is wanting to join a college fraternity.

  322. You’ve got your head up your ass Rutherford. Soldiers understand leadership and purpose. I haven’t a clue what knowing about “politics” means to you other than watching MSNBC and chatting about watching MSNBC. Most of the people that voted for Obama probably couldn’t tell you who the VP was.

  323. No, speaking out about the Vietnam war was not to Cronkite’s credit. It either showed he was scared or that he had planned such an announcement when the war seemed hopeless. The Tet Offensive frightened many people, because enemy fighters took the war to relatively peaceful places not used to shooting. Cooks and embassy guards became sudden combat soldiers.

    It looked bad, but we ultimately degraded the North’s forces so badly, they had to use more regulars than they had. North Vietnam lost big time during the offensive which failed militarily, but they ultimately won the public relations battle as the world watched the battles on television.

    LBJ said “If I have lost Walter Cronkite, I have lost the nation.” The military regained control, but frightened reporters and television watching Americans lost their heads.

  324. Here is another side of the Dhubi (sp) at their air port.

    Soldiers don’t all understand everything about the geopolitical forces at work, but they do distinguish between good and poor leadership. They also watch to see if the country is behind them or if it opposes their mission.

  325. First Tex it seems to me you must not know the difference between strategic and tactical.

    Second

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    blockquote> You make it sound like the average soldier is wanting to join a college fraternity. Yup SOME, not most but some want exactly that. There are probably as many reasons for joining the military as there are soldiers. Shit, by his own admission Rabbit joined so he could stop living out of his car.

    Tex you impress me as the type who feels VERY guilty that you didn’t serve. As a 4F, I have no such qualms. You need to get over it. You served your country by working hard at your job and fueling the economy. That’s good citizenship in my book.

  326. “All looking to declare it anti Muslim when all signs point parking spot rage.”

    By “all signs” do you mean the claim of such by his wife and her lawyer as they lay the foundation for his defense?

    “At a news conference Wednesday afternoon, his wife said she was “shocked” by the killings and offered condolences to the victims’ families.

    “This incident had nothing to do with religion or the victims’ faith, but in fact was related to the longstanding parking disputes that my husband had with the neighbors,” Karen Hicks said.

    Rob Maitland, her attorney, said the shooting “highlights the importance of access to mental health care services.”

    He declined to provide any details about the suspect’s mental health history, but said, “obviously it’s not within the range of normal behavior for someone to shoot three people over parking issues.””

    A family member from the other side has a different story to tell….

    “The father of the female victims, however, told CNN he was sure that wasn’t true.

    “We have no doubt that the way they looked and the way they believed had something to do with this,” Mohammad Abu-Salha said.

    When his son-in-law lived alone in the condominium complex, the family never had any problems. But once his daughter moved in, wearing a headscarf that clearly identified her as Muslim, trouble started, he said.

    “My daughter, Yusor, honest to God, told us on more than two occasions that this man came knocking at the door and fighting about everything with a gun on his belt, more than twice,” her father said. “She told us, ‘Daddy, I think he hates us for who we are and how we look.'”

    Learning from the police how his two daughters and son-in-law were killed has only made him more convinced.

    “Now that we know from the police that they were shot in the head, very quickly, the three of them, one bullet each, in a very small space inside in the apartment. That’s execution-style. I don’t know, if that is not hate, what that would be.”

    Are there some other signs pointing to parking spot rage?

  327. Soldiers don’t all understand everything about the geopolitical forces at work, but they do distinguish between good and poor leadership. They also watch to see if the country is behind them or if it opposes their mission.

    That makes sense James. Thank you.

    Honest question cos you served and I didn’t. Do you think we lost Vietnam because we lost our nerve at home?

  328. @ Rutherford re soldiers. I think you’re more right than you’re able to back up but there is something we can expand on.
    Servicemen do have a big picture perspective on matters with a logical angle.
    They don’t want themselves and comrades to be wasted.
    They do get something out of the hands on aspect of the mission such as training,building etc. I know a number of guys that lived the whole spectrum of getting an absolute blast out of giving kids candy or balls but on the other end being frustrated to a point of rage over the “allies” not learning what they’ve been taught let alone the episodes of the green on blue attacks.
    The other biggie and kind of related to the first one is “don’t jerk us around”. The average grunt has a grasp on the “big picture” especially in terms of objectives and it really pisses them off when those objectives are changed,shorted or the RoE are fucked up to the point of no return.

  329. “Well Parker maybe that’s the crux of the problem? Radical Muslims are rejecting “modern standards”.

    Oh, no question about it. Their whole thought processes are out of the sixth century. And they are DANGEROUS – in the same way a mad dog is dangerous. They are unpredictable; you can’t deal with them in any way; you can’t reason with them. That would be fine if they were not violent – but they are, so the only solution is to KILL them.

    But that was not the point. The point was entirely different – that you cannot judge historical figures by anything other than the standards of the times. While those standards may seem odd or even crazy to you NOW, if you LIVED then, you would likely be very comfortable with them.

  330. @ Huck I based my statements on the releases by the Chapel Hill Police Dept as opposed to gobbling up prattle offered by the biased father. You smack of the social media based lunacy that has tried to paint an overly pro Muslim “see Charlie we’re victims too” schtick.

  331. “Soldiers understand leadership and purpose.” -Tigre

    “A complete non sequitur.”

    Then what is your fucking hypothesis Plato? Are you trying to discount (1) the view of soldiers as Patriotic, (2) the validity of their disdain for Obama, or (3) something else.

    Let me get you started. Soldiers in the field don’t think about “the big picture” and that means that Tex or Tigre is wrong because [Rutherford inserts point here].

    I think you’re just trying to say that the military’s low opinion of Obama doesn’t count. Please straighten me out. I wouldn’t want a non sequitur by referring to “leadership and purpose” particularly since it is now echoed by James and Alfie.

  332. While those standards may seem odd or even crazy to you NOW, if you LIVED then, you would likely be very comfortable with them.

    Ehhh not if I were black at “that time” and getting my back lashed. 😦

  333. I read this dirt digging WAPO article on Scott Walker not having a “college education.” That’s it? That’s the best the Leftist dregs can come up with to criticize the man? The man barely passed French class out of boredom, hated college (so did I for the most part), and came up 34 credits short of a sheet of meaningless paper? Neither did the richest men in the world.

    LOL OH, WHAT WEAKNESS!

    You know what the Democratic Party’s real problem is, Rutherford? And I mean this. You got nobody credible in a single position of authority best I can tell, and the leading candidates of the party are two female liars who couldn’t find their butt cheeks with both hands, surrounded by a hoard of hit men and ministry of culture types, whose only tactic is to destroy the opposing candidate with propaganda. Your entire party is based on fear, loathing, grievance hustling, character assassination, spreading immorality, and public freebies. It’s the party of the malcontent.

    That may motivate the majority in a national election when you take these huge dysfunctional cities that vote only in self-interest.

    But you can’t run a country that way and succeed. It’s why suburbs succeed and big cities for the most part are holes.

  334. Parker: “While those standards may seem odd or even crazy to you NOW, if you LIVED then, you would likely be very comfortable with them.”

    R: ‘Ehhh not if I were black at “that time” and getting my back lashed. :-(‘

    C’mon, Rutherford. Be honest. You know precisely what was meant. Slavery was the standard of the time, and those who ran the place simply accepted it as fact.

    You can’t stand at a different place and time and criticize individuals who lived then, just because the standards are now something else, but you DO try to learn from things in the past that didn’t work. I wonder how humans will look back on the grand socialist experiment from the perspective of another 500 years’ experience.

    “What the hell were they thinking?” would be a good guess.

  335. You’re welcome Rutherford. Your question is complicated but simply put, yes. General Giap and others said they won the war on our college campuses. I think a Vietnam war museum also gives credit to the western anti-war movement.

    The most realistic outcome, given our management of the war would have been a Korean style stalemate with our troops still stationed there.

  336. Somehow, if he had liked Sean Hannity and the Southern Baptist Convention instead of Rachel Maddow and the Freedom from Religion Foundation, I don’t think we would witness the media restraint we’re seeing when it comes to connecting this killer’s politics to his terrible deeds. ~ The Weekly Standard (excerpt)

    Man, the MSM is corrupt and duplicitous. 🙄 Rutherford, any mention of the “Muslim” killer there in North Carolina on Moonbat Media, and did Rachel Maddow take her share of the blame for three dead?

    Isn’t that how it works in Libbie Land? Guilt by association?

  337. This is purely conjecture on my part. I believe our forfeiture of the war in South East Asia led indirectly to our current phase of the long war with Jihadist Muslims.

    The Cambodian, Thia, and South Vietnamese troops I met were tough and worthy people. I don’t know the number, but thousands of people fled south from the North to escape its brutal regime. For all of its faults, the South was a place to flee to not from.

  338. My grand parents lived in North Carolina for ten years. They were considered strange Yankees because of their liberal attitudes. Black friends usually entered homes through the back door. My grand parents black guests entered through the front door.

    My aunt knew some former slaves who worked for the family. One said she had a good life, but lived in constant fear that she would do something wrong. Teenaged boys were most apt to cause trouble because they were teenaged boys.

    Each month the traveling whipping man showed up and tied the miscreants to a post. Then, he whipped them the prescribed number of times associated with their offense. It was horrible, my aunt agreed to do that to fellow humans. Muslims still do it.

  339. Anybody got a stat on recent anti-muslim violence in the US? I Googled and can’t locate anything other than conclusory assertions to that effect by extremely biased pro-muslim bloggers and writers. Huck’s hypersensitivities have surfaced again (e.g. you want a religious war, bring it; latest was anti-muslim slaying, not parking spot rage etc.) and Obama is on his “Islamaphobia” labeling in the wake of Charlie Hebdo/Jordanian/Boko Haram/ ISIL murder, torture, rape, beheadings etc.

    The alleged claim of a rise in racially motivated killing by whites is starting to all sound all too familiar but I can’t find any stats. The liberal media is not honest about these things. . . er, I mean it’s all too nuanced for doubters. . . and something objective and substantiated would be useful for someone that doesn’t know one way or the other.

  340. Gorilla, Rutherford says combat soldiers are too focused on self-preservation to know or care about the “big picture.” Any thoughts on that?

  341. Tigre two things. First I checked the SPLC and they currently don’t have any incidents listed as hate crimes for 2015. They highlighted 55 for 2014 and some of those were white supremacists attacking former associates.
    Abed Ayoub is the guy that started the Chapel Hill # he is an activist who has admitted to jumping the gun to push an agenda.
    I do want to be clear on a related note. Hicks is proof yet again that there are plenty of folks who should be prohibited un ownership. Further details out appear to show the Hicks have a history of parking space anger.
    I’d be interested to know if the victims head shots are truly consistent with the pushed “execution style” reporting or more confined space & nut job centered

  342. Also the FBI reports only 800 incidents of anti Muslim since 9/11 so the false perception is what it is. Keep in mind the Islam agenda crowd counts things like NC “anti sharia” law as evidence.

  343. 300 hundred years from now, some future version of Rutherford will be reminding everyone of Christianity’s role in the long past “abortion era” while putting the cruelty of the Caliphate of Europestan in “perspective”.

  344. I have a question for the FP enthusiasts here: Putin says he’s not involved in the unrest in the Ukraine yet he just signed a cease fire agreement.

    How can you sign a cease fire if you’re not firing in the first place?

  345. Man, the MSM is corrupt and duplicitous. 🙄 Rutherford, any mention of the “Muslim” killer there in North Carolina on Moonbat Media, and did Rachel Maddow take her share of the blame for three dead?

    I can’t speak for Rachel but Joe Scarborough pointed out the shooter appeared to be a religion hating atheist.

    Glad to make your day. 🙂

  346. “Gorilla, Rutherford says combat soldiers are too focused on self-preservation to know or care about the “big picture.” Any thoughts on that?”

    Yeah, not true…

    G, I hope you weren’t so stupid as to go on dumbass Tigre’s comment. Please read EVERY comment that I made on the matter in this thread before you opine.

    Tigre loves playing the ass.

  347. Someone on MoJo remarked that parking space rage and anti-Muslim bigotry are not mutually exclusive.

    This is actually a good case for the absurdity of hate crimes. These three young people with positive profiles were killed by a crazy man who had no business owning a gun. They wouldn’t be any less dead if the killers best friends were Muslims.

    It’s an appeal to our need to understand senselessness that we pin a “motive” on the nutcase. Truth is whether he hated them for their religion or for where they parked, he needs to go to the loony bin for a long long time.

  348. LOL….

    Alfie was closest to the mark. Listen, enlisted members in this military are far better educated, trained, and clued into world events than past generations. 83% of officers have degrees, versus only 30% of the U.S. population. Further, 94% of the enlisted have a high school diploma, against only 60% of the general population with the same. Twenty years ago, if an enlisted member had a degree, he was a rarity, and would probably be pushed towards commissioning, now, it is not uncommon at all for enlisted members to have bachelors degrees, and senior enlisted are more or less required to have graduate degrees.

    All that said, they recognize their role and their mission in the bigger picture, and focus on their mission. Is there self-preservation involved? Of course. When you are in harms way daily, you tunnel in on those conditions and actions that protect you. Also, when you’re in those kinds of extremely stressful environments, you have to find ways to disconnect and destress. Pontification on geopolitics and socio-economics conditions of third world minorities isn’t how you do that. Most of the time, they release the societal inhibitions and just vent. The best quote I’ve ever heard on how soldiers cope, was:

    We keep it light till its time to go dark, then we go pitch black.

    Our force is different. Can the same be said of the Chinese or the Russians? I don’t think so since they still use conscripts. Most of the Western armies are all-volunteer, and those forces tend to be the most professional and educated.

  349. “G, I hope you weren’t so stupid as to go on dumbass Tigre’s comment. ”

    WTF?? That is EXACTLY what you said.

    Gawd, So explain yourself so we don’t all miss you deep nuanced point as I asked. 🙄

  350. “83% of officers have degrees, versus only 30% of the U.S. population. ”

    I would have thought 99% of officers had degrees. Maybe Warrent officers bring it down?

  351. I’m getting irritated. This video illustrates why our soldiers won on the battle field in spite of their leaders strategic errors.

    Most if not all of our officers had degrees. A few warrant officers remained after the ranks were discarded in the Air Force. Quite a few enlisted men and women also had degrees. We couldn’t be as brave fighters as Marines or soldiers, but we could be smarter. It was part of the inter service friendly rivalry.

    And to think brave men like these were derided as baby killers and considered unfit for polite society. And to think some people equate Chris Kyle with serial murderers. I hated them when I returned to the United States, and I hated them years later.

    One reason I visited the fat grannies for so long was I thought my anger was irrational and I should get to meet some of those people. Some were nice folks, but sadly, I realized my anger and hatred were not misplaced.

    I can be polite and nice to them, and I don’t dwell on hostile emotions, but I believe most of those progressives are unfit to be US citizens, Sarah Palin was right when in West Virginia, she said it was good to be among real Americans. Liberals are smothering us with a foreign ideology,

  352. Gorilla, I have one question. Isn’t the average fighting soldier more invested in the tactical (that day’s exercise) than the strategic (what this will mean 6 weeks or months from now)? In fact wouldn’t a soldier who questioned a tactical move based on his opinion of the mission or strategy be told to shut up and do what he was told? Isn’t the hierarchy still paramount?

    Everyone here is suggesting that I think every soldier is a selfish dumb prick who just wants to save his own ass. My point was way bigger than that. He’s there for himself. He’s there to keep his brothers alive and he’s PAID to get that days exercise done, not to obsess over strategy and mission.

    Where am I wrong?

    P.S. To the extent that Hurt Locker was at all realistic, the protagonist was addicted to war, not patriotism. Keeping his brothers alive was a big piece of that. And it was cultural … something he couldn’t find in civilian life.

  353. “latest was anti-muslim slaying, not parking spot rage etc”

    I said no such thing. I pointed out what was said on each side and specifically asked if there were other things to support the parking rage angle. It was a genuine question. Some of us who don’t know it all still ask those from time to time.

    It’s pretty sad that you come here so eager for a daily fight that when you aren’t presented with one you have to invent it by misrepresenting what people say.

  354. I mention Vietnam again because I am familiar with it and because it was different from later wars. My observations might not apply to recent conflicts, though they probably do.

    Gorillia is more knowledgeable, and can give a better answer, but the video I posted answers some of your questions, if you pay attention, Rutherford. The narrators described the misgivings of troops who could see no real goals in their part of the war. They didn’t even take and hold much territory as their fathers and uncles did in WW11. WW11 had well-defined objectives Hamburger Hill was part of a battle to stop traffic down the Ho Chi Ming Trail. Instead of possessing the territory, the allies bombed and temporarily took land before they left again. Laos and Cambodia were sanctuaries where besieged NVA solders could flee. The soldiers noticed.

    Yes, they were told to follow orders if they questioned something. The rescued platoon was angry because they had been ordered to resume the battle. If they felt their lives were at risk, soldiers might kill their leaders.

    The man who continued to fire his machine gun as his leg spurted blood from a broken artery did so not for any geopolitical strategy but because his commander had told him to shoot at the enemy machine gunners. He continued because he knew that they had to take the hill or die. He was so focused he might not have realized he had been seriously wounded.

    Yes, some soldiers become addicted to war. Read the Esquire article I mentioned before. “Why Men Love War.” It is an old problem. One reason the Crusaders invaded Lithuania was the need to occupy veterans of the war in the Middle East. Jesse James and his gang were notorious criminals in part because they never got over their part of the Civil War. They ran their operations like military missions.

    Our young men and women are sent to a place where they must learn to live by different rules until they come back to the old rules. Most adjust, but a few don’t.

    They did watch and think. A soldier wrote under a sign identifying “Hamburger Hill” “Was it worth it?”

  355. He’s there to complete a mission. If it is a tactical mission – as most are – then it’s a tactical mission. But soldiers conduct strategic missions too. I see your point, but there is more to it.

  356. That was funny, Lurker. I would never tell another car owner when to shift gears etc unless I thought we were in danger.

    My uncle owned a gas station and repair shop. He took pride in his ability to align wheels. He took us on a road at over 90 MPH and took his hand off the steering wheel to demonstrate his quality work. He raised his hands for what seemed line ten minutes, though it wasn’t and our eyes were about to pop out of our heads.

    I learned to drive Air Force ambulances on a track covered with water and oil. We students did what the woman did in our boxy MASH style ambulances which were more unstable than a car. One could put the vehicle on two wheels with a sharp turn, and that was fun.

  357. “Everyone here is suggesting that I think every soldier is a selfish dumb prick who just wants to save his own ass.”

    Nope. I said what I think you are “suggesting.” They do not know/care about “big picture” and “politics” so their dislike of Obama and support of Bush don’t count.

    You were responding to Tex.

  358. SO I read where the old lush Ginsburg was drunk at the State of the Union, falling asleep with her chin on her chest, front row. 😆 What an utter disgrace…

    The country is in the best of hands!

  359. As much as I am no fan of Ruth Buzzy G, I can’t blame her. Sitting through that shit might have me searching for hemlock.

  360. As much as I am no fan of Ruth Buzzy G, I can’t blame her. Sitting through that shit might have me searching for hemlock.

    ** GUFFAW ** Or a rope to hang myself in front of the foyer out of platitude fatigue and white privilege…

  361. Rutherford you’re confusing the point methinks. First off patriotism is a tricky fish. People join for reasons that definitely have a patriotic component to it,and they’ll continue to serve with that going for them too. I personally think patriotism has a lot of angles to it though and is especially subject to context. For example Dec 8th 1941 or Sept. 12th 2001 holds more stereotypical “patriotism”. My time was more about a tradition of just serving patriotism. There are others here that could possibly add their personal feelings on that.
    I’d like to tell you to not get so hung up on the tactical v strategic words. Even an E2 appreciates strategy. For example many folks were very much attune to Afghanistans issues of drugs,education and infrastructure. They could easily connect the dots of how a mission was tied to a strategic and political goal.
    Hope that kind of helps.

  362. Nope. I said what I think you are “suggesting.” They do not know/care about “big picture” and “politics” so their dislike of Obama and support of Bush don’t count.

    Last time. Soldiers risking their lives spend less time thinking about Bush and Obama than armchair generals like you do.

  363. Tex stop hating on the notorious RBG!

    It’s a shame Scalia can’t use alcohol as an excuse for half the crap he says.

    And at least Ginsburg shows up unlike that rude Luddite Alito.

  364. “Last time. Soldiers risking their lives spend less time thinking about Bush and Obama than armchair generals like you do.”

    Huh? Says who? You? MSNBC?

    What a meaningless comment.

    Something negative about Obama is what motivated your throw-away.

    And of course your label of armchair real applies to me. 🙄

  365. Ok gang, I got this threads topic from a comment made by Parker.

    Any suggestions for the next thread? I’ve got a 3 day weekend ahead of me and will probably find time to write. For the time being I got nuthin’ so any ideas would be considered.

    P.S. Almost wrote on police brutality in Washington state based on a clip I saw on Bill Maher but further investigation lead to too much ambiguity to make a good case.

  366. Sure…how about the murders of the three Muslims being blamed on American Sniper? 🙄

    Last year, a Christian woman had her head sawed off by a crazed Muslim in my state. Though it was later decided it was just black hatred of whitey at work and not religious zealotry (cough cough), not a frickin’ word from that vile POS Chris Hayes about outrage. That guy is not only a man boy of the worst sort, but perhaps the biggest phony I’ve ever seen on TV. It’s no wonder his ratings are in the toilet. Even some Leftists have certain boundaries they won’t allow to be broached.

    The topic could be just disingenuous and hypocritical the American Left, more specifically, the Leftist Media is in America with respect to religion.

  367. Patriotism for me is very simple. A love of country, accompanied by a great degree of gratitude for the sacrifices that have been made granting us the liberties we’ve been bestowed – I don’t care the sins that preceded it. America is still the greatest country on earth and has been for quite some time. But anyone who doesn’t realize how fragile it is and how it’s beginning to decay, is a fool.

  368. America is still the greatest country on earth and has been for quite some time.

    Well it’s good to hear the leftists haven’t ruined it yet. 😉

    Tex, think the country will survive long enough for Jeb to save it?

  369. Alfie mentioned others’ personal feelings about their military service. I didn’t fell patriotic I believed the war would turn out as it did, and I noticed the favoritism, often unintended, to find people to enter the service. I believed people like me were being used to little good purpose. Worse, I believed the anti- war movement would grow and squelch whatever good the war was accomplishing. :Lifers called people like me “civilians in uniform.”

    I worked my head off. Every efficiency rating I had was at the top. A B52 pilot who had his regular exam after his return from bombing told the commander that my bearing and intelligence made me a good candidate for Officers’ Training School,and every effort should be made to retain me. Our commander entered his comment in my efficiency report.

    I made Ssgt (E 5) in under four years, a major accomplishment at the time. I helped save a life, and did some other things. I had two good years and two bad years. One time, I was standing at the end of the flight line when a B 52 took off. It was awesome as the big machine flew a hundred feet or so over my head. I felt awe and pride. That was my only foray into full-blown patriotism.

    Intellectually, I think the US is a unique nation of immigrants who has saved the world a number of times. I always have believed that..

  370. The leftists are on their way to ruining us. They are in the minority as the last election showed, but they don’t act like it. They aspire to petty dictatorship. We may have also have to save the country from Jeb Bush.

    You could write something about the climate change dispute since Obama wants to make policies addressing the issue. Changes could affect how we live or at least make life more expensive. The East is suffering from cold and snow, while the West is warm and dry. A report states that our area west ward will suffer decades long mega droughts by the end of this century. The report blames global warming. However, it has been dry before. Five thousand years ago, Native Americans and buffalo abandoned to southern plains because it was too dry. How will we adjust when extreme drought returns?

  371. @ Rutherford steering you towards your dream of pure social commentary I’ll offer a few topics.
    I haven’t watched it but theres a show that has some critics interested, The Slap. That plus another show I’ve not watched about psycho parent coaches carry a theme you may have some personal experience with given your daughters gymnastics. Theres a couple of avenues there.
    Another would be the net neutrality vote coming up. It is a concept that I figured you’d be steeped in anyways.
    Last one would be slightly connected to Tex’s. I am solidly in the camp that finds “social media” as showing how stupid society is and how dangerous it can be. Of the three this last one could be a blog of its own with posts ad infinitum.

  372. I can’t get over how utterly disingenuous the greater Muslim community in America, and the phoney lackeys and idiocy that support their propaganda.

    Three young people, two women wearing the hajib and one man are murdered over a parking dispute by a hate filled thug whose most vocal hatred on the net had been targeted not at Muslims but Christians. That should have been the end of it and the SOB should be fried in the electric chair for murder. American jurisprudence.

    But NOOOO….this has turned into a civil war on Muslims with thousands silently protested the hateful Americans that have made Muslims quake in their sandals. America Sniper is at fault. Talk radio is at fault. FOX News is at fault.

    Just to demonstrate how fatuous and political many of these Muslims and their charges really are, 19 Muslims screaming Allahu Akbar killed 3,000 Americans one Tuesday morning some years back. In any other country on earth, there most likely would have real ass kickings placed on entire religious communities for that very visible a mass murderer done in the name of religion.

    Across a nation of 320MM, there was one incident that followed that I am aware of, of backlash against a Muslim. And some dumb ass confused a Sikh with a Muslim and pounded him. ONE.

    You Muslim apologists are the dumbest people on earth, too stupid to even recognize when you’re being played.

  373. From the looks of his Facebook page, Hicks is hardly the right-wing, anti-Muslim Islamophobic redneck of their hysterical fantasies; instead, he is a hardcore leftist and fan of the Huffington Post and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Those two are among his huge and revealing list of “Likes,” which shows him much more preoccupied with Christianity than with Islam. He likes the atheists Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Bill Maher, all of whom have criticized Islam, but his page includes none of their statements about Islam. He likes many anti-Christian groups but no groups that are critical of Islam, and he even likes a group called “Obama Backs Mosque Near Ground Zero: ‘This is America,’” praising Obama for supporting the Ground Zero Mosque.

    Other “Likes” from Hicks’ Facebook page include Bill Nye The Science Guy; Sarah Silverman; Penn & Teller: Bullshit!; Stop the World, the Teabaggers Want Off; LGBT / Atheist Alliance; Scary Bible Quote of the Day; World Atheists: Lets Kick Islam and Christianity out of Africa; Merry christmyth; Pass The 28th Amendment – Complete Removal Of The Church From The State; The Rachel Maddow Fan Page; Pissing Off The Religious Right; Keep your Bible out of our Vaginas; Mitt Romney Sucks; Separation of Church and State; Still here? Silly Christians; Jesus McChrist; Denying Evolution Won’t Make Your God Any More Real; Dogs Against Romney; The Atheist’s Bible Commentary; Organization for Educating Misinformed Tea Party Patriots; GOPHypocrisy; Liberals Against Conservative Propaganda; Arrest the Pope and Tax Religion; Not wasting my Sundays at church; Network for Church Monitoring; Dominionism is destroying America; Christians vs. Atheists; Americans United for Separation of Church and State; Stop The Westboro Baptist Church!; and many, many more. Oh, and Gun Toting Liberal. ~ Robert Spencer

  374. But anyone who doesn’t realize how fragile it is and how it’s beginning to decay, is a fool.

    Beginning to decay? This sucka is rotten at the core! We are mystery Babylon, baby, and prophecy doesn’t treat us well.

  375. Rutherford, you might ought to write about Islamophobia, because we always get there no matter the topic. 🙂 You’d think the scriptures would warn us of this impending doom.

  376. In the spirit of having nothing to say…

    “My good friend unless I’m overlooking a key part of your biography, when it comes to military you’re as armchair as I am.”

    What has your grand point about the mind of a military man been whittled down to now? “Soldiers risking their lives spend less time thinking about Bush and Obama than armchair generals like you do?”

    Ouch. He got you there Tigre. Go back to your racism of Obama and Colonel Armchair here will educate us all on what goes on in the mind of a giraffe courtesy of Animal Planet.

  377. Yeah. That stung. I forgot about “nuance” and R’s street cred on military matters. 🙄

    And he still won’t admit what his real point was.

  378. The leftists are on their way to ruining us. They are in the minority as the last election showed, but they don’t act like it. … We may have also have to save the country from Jeb Bush.

    Ok you lost me twice.

    First how did the last election prove a liberal minority? The House went GOP due to gerrymandering. More libs voted for Representatives than conservatives did. And we got a Dem POTUS. So your lib minority isn’t a slam dunk.

    Second, what do you have against Jeb?

  379. ET teaching you how to read English is over my pay grade.

    Why don’t you write me a guest post on the mind and motivation of the average soldier since you’re SUCH a fucking expert? Have Muffy ghost write it for you. It’ll help with the English language challenges.

  380. Tex, I can’t find it on my app but I recall your making a snarky comment about an all black little league team.

    “Chrissie” Hayes covered it last night and I have one question for you. Did those kids who did nothing wrong deserve to lose their title because adults cheated?

  381. Rutherford, I wasn’t entirely referring to the election. A Gallop article titled “US Liberals at 24%, but Still Trail Conservatives” 38 percent of those surveyed identify themselves as conservatives. They have been a majority for awhile.

    Republicans won the election because they garnered more votes. The gerimandering of which you write played a role, but the districts were drawn after other elections gave more power to Republicans. Local elections also reveal a Republican majority.

    You wouldn’t know this by watching the news. The news readers and reporters behave as if they were part of the majority.

    I don’t really have much against Jeb Bush except for some of his Common Core and immigration views. Mainly, I don’t think he can win today. Tomorrow is another day. We’ll see then.

  382. “Did those kids who did nothing wrong deserve to lose their title because adults cheated?”

    Yes. They do deserve to lose. Losing is better lesson then winning anyways.

    So yeah. The team cheated. The team loses. Can’t even believe its up for debate.

  383. Tex,

    Rutherford’s friends always lie to make it look like a white conservative Christian killed or raped a minority.

    Democrats will change anything to create this narrative. Hispanic to white. Athiest to Christian.

    They have been doing it for a 150 years. I wrote my history thesis on the Democratic party changing the race of a wrongly accused man (rape) to black and sparking a riot in Detroit in 1863. Ironically, dude was a bar tender in a copperhead bar.

    The fact that they do this is why I hate their fucking guts instead of merely disagree with them.

  384. A, you would think it would be a non story but the team was black and libs feel sorry for blacks and want to give them things they didn’t earn or deserve.

    They also don’t understand sports and competition.

    Winning is an entitlement to them and they are too stupid and soft to understand how valuable that lesson of a loss could be.

    Pathetic people on so many levels.

  385. “Why don’t you write me a guest post on the mind and motivation of the average soldier since you’re SUCH a fucking expert?”

    Witty. Never said I was. Quite the opposite. I asked for G’s opinion after you delivered your lecture:

    “Take your lazy ass out to the battlefield and see how fast your survival instincts kick in. See how fast you develop a sense of duty to keep the guy next to you alive and see how fast you forget about Obama.”

    Yes General. Too bad you won’t be honest about your point which is just as lame as your after-the-fact pretend curiosity about the tactical/strategic irrelevancy.

    The military doesn’t like Obama because he’s a douche, shitty leader, and frankly he doesn’t like them either. Remember shutting the vets out of the memorials? The VA crisis? Good times.

    But thanks for the MSNBC take on things, Blondie. I think we can all safely say that you don’t know or have never talked with vet outside of this blog.

  386. I think we can all safely say that you don’t know or have never talked with vet outside of this blog.

    I think I can safely say you can’t read. I already shared that I knew vets at IBM. I did not feel comfortable discussing their service with them as I felt it was a pain point for them. I appreciate James’ willingness to share.

    I’ve listened to G, James and Alfie on this subject. You I basically have on ignore since you’re only looking to pick a fight and don’t really know what the fuck you’re talking about.

    I do have a completely unrelated LEGAL question for you later.

  387. Rabbit save your rage. Your favorite pajama boy, Chris Hayes covered the response of atheists to the NC killing.

    In this particular case I’ve heard several in the media acknowledge that Hicks hated Christianity.

  388. The fact that they do this is why I hate their fucking guts instead of merely disagree with them.

    Bullshit. The “hate” gives you an endorphin rush. Hating libs as a group is just about as stupid as hating Koreans or Puerto Ricans or blacks as a group.

  389. No. I know how to read. So does everyone else here. It didn’t disappear. And I asked you over and over to correct the point. Nope. Your interest in tactics, strategy, ignorance of politics and “the big picture” materialized from nowhere.

    Just looking for you to be honest about your comments, especially since you were the one lashing out. Obviously a futile endeavor.

    I doubt your vets from IBM would’ve told you what you seem to have divined from thin air.

  390. I’m not going to debate the merits of teaching kids the value of an award honestly won.

    I was just struck by the petty adult shit that lead to it. The only reason the inclusion of out-of-district team members got discovered is because a rival coach turned them in.

    My sadness for the kids has nothing to do with race. I see petty adults interfering in children athletic programs all the time and it’s sad the kids suffer for it.

    Why wasn’t the coach of the team simply fired?

  391. If I had to “guess” I think my old vet colleagues would have told me how much it hurt to be treated like shit after they did the JOB the U.S. forced them to do.

    Of course comparing Vietnam to today’s wars is unwise. Vietnam didn’t occur in the backdrop of 9/11.

  392. On a related note, should the kids have received such hoopla in the first place? What message did these kids get, “we’re special because we won” or “we’re special because we are black”? If it’s the latter – wrong message.

  393. Did those kids who did nothing wrong deserve to lose their title because adults cheated?

    Let me ask you a question and you answer it honestly, “R.”

    If this were say a basketball team, an all white team, picked to play from various parts of a state which was clearly against the rules of district/league restriction, and they went out and blistered every all black basketball team on the planet; only then to find out the all white team had cheated and recruited to form an all-star team breaking every rule, how long would it be before charges of racism and white privilege were being discussed by you, black inner city hustlers, 90% of black America, and MSNBC?

    Are you telling me a sixth grader wouldn’t recognize that he was being driven across town to play for a different team instead of the one he played for in the league?

    And you want me to believe it would be better for these kids to be taught to win at all costs, even if they had to cheat to do it?

  394. Its my understanding the coach and an administrator were fired. R the other side of the coin on this one is :how is it you build fair teams,representative of community and geared towards fun & exercise if you go shopping outside the community you’re trying to serve. This actually touches on one of my suggestions earlier. How freaking dare the adults insert their egos and manias ingot the life of pre-teens who just want to play ball.

  395. “I’m not going to debate the merits of teaching kids the value of an award honestly won.”

    Of course you won’t debate that.

    Boo ooh…the kids lost the little league game. The one they cheated to win. I can’t believe this shit is even fodder for discussion from you libs.

  396. “How freaking dare the adults insert their egos and manias ingot the life of pre-teens who just want to play ball.”

    It is truly sad. Both mine play and I can say that I have seen some awful shit. In fact, I coached my son’s flag football team, not because I knew what I was doing, but because no one else would. They wouldn’t have been able to play so I bit the bullet.

    I was lucky. All of the kids were good natured and all but a handful were from Da Hood. Serious ghetto Bad News Bears.

    What I saw was damn embarrassment. There were dads/coaches instructing the kids to cheat and jack other players when possible. Serious unrepentant thug shit. And they didn’t care so long as they won. Most of those kids were miserable and beat down.

    My players loved me. I gave them the Full Metal Jacket drill sergeant comedy routine. I got to bark and it made them laugh. And they all played. No preferences. Kids seemed to work together and compensate for the weaker players. Left to their own devices, I don’t think it would’ve changed any. The parents saying “look at that skinny little white kid run” always cracked me up when they saw that I had overheard them.

    I digress. But it was a lesson in how shitty adults can be when it comes to competition involving their kids. Anything to win. I’ve seen plenty more of it since then too.

  397. Yes, Rutherford, comparing Vietnam and recent wars is unwise on many levels. For one thing, I came home alone as the five men going in my general direction slowly peeled off. My return to the US was strange.

    A flight attendant and I discovered we knew someone in common, and we chatted so often she put me in first class so we could talk during her breaks. I was loopy, from lack of sleep, and our voices carried. I told about some of my adventures and when it was time to leave the plane, the flight attendant gave me a Disneyland balloon and wished me luck. The passengers then gave me a standing ovation. I didn’t know what to think.

    Later, my parents paraded me around to show the neighbors and relatives as if I was a prize horse when I wanted to be alone. I overheard some of the family comparing notes about my cousin’s behavior after his return from Vietnam several months earlier. I felt as if I was still away, and my old base was more real than these strangers posing as my family and friends. I didn’t want them comparing my before and after behavior so I kept quiet.

    A year or so later, my mother told me the Air Force had ruined me and I should have fled to Canada.

    After I learned that northern universities didn’t want my kind, I promised myself that insofar as it was possible I would never let another human determine my destiny. I farmed, and became the freest man I know. I could have been a good teacher, but it is their loss, not mine.

    My brother dodged tomatoes, so I also have that ovation no one else I know got.

  398. I coached at the highschool level for a couple years.

    I can’t believe the vein of mental illness running through kids’ sports.

    I could go on all night.

  399. “Years before, in the mid-2000s, the United States recruited and paid Sunnis like members of al-Gaoud’s Albu Mimr tribe to join its fight against al Qaeda. Those efforts helped turn the tide in the war.

    But now, al-Gaoud says, ISIS — which consists of Sunni extremists — is making his tribe pay the price.

    “There are people who will be killed in cold blood, and there will be more massacres,” al-Gaoud told CNN in November. “We are getting killed because of our friendship with the Americans. Does a friend abandon his friend like this?” -CNN

    ISIS is Al Queda.

    Does anyone else sometimes get goose bumps over how much of a foreign policy failure Obama is? It sometimes just hits me. Like a Chris Matthews anti tingle.

  400. My kid is kicking ass in wrestling this year, boys.

    He looks the part. 5 years old with a big shinner on his left eye. Brusied up. Put pinning motherfuckers!

    Love wrestling. Rooster fighting with your kids!

  401. James: “Intellectually, I think the US is a unique nation of immigrants who has saved the world a number of times. I always have believed that..”

    James, you are a real man’s man and patriot. Don’t ever let this cynical cadre of ne’er-do-wells and twat, whose accomplishments in toto would scarcely fill a thimble, ever turn you from your path.

  402. “Don’t ever let this cynical cadre of ne’er-do-wells and twat, whose accomplishments in toto would scarcely fill a thimble, ever turn you from your path.”

    James and I are on the same path, sycophant.

  403. Are you telling me a sixth grader wouldn’t recognize that he was being driven across town to play for a different team instead of the one he played for in the league?

    What’s a sixth grader to do about it Tex? He’s 11 years old, 12 tops. That’s my point. The kids PLAYED fair and square. The “roster” was manipulated by adults.

    And you want me to believe it would be better for these kids to be taught to win at all costs, even if they had to cheat to do it?

    Of course not. And I’m glad to hear from Alfie that the coach got fired. I just think it’s sad that adult shenanigans is what got the kids punished.

  404. DR I may have misread Parker but I thought he was referring to people who made/make it hard for James vis-a-vis his Vietnam vet status. He wasn’t referring to anyone here.

    If he was then I don’t understand his comment. Everyone here respects James.

  405. “ne’er-do-wells and twat”

    Lay off the pipe R. That’s Pfesser referring to everyone here after his evening fifth of Dewers.

    Ever wonder why the old drunk expects his belligerence to meet with your approval?

    (hint: no one he personally knows thinks much of him either)

    Don’t let us derail your journey, James. 🙄

  406. Rutherford,

    Sometimes, I am forced to roll my eyes at your naivety. Did the twat reference from Parker not give you a hint? 😆

    I’m not sure why the angry response, though. Not only do I both respect and like James, I give my highest kudos to anybody that serves honorably, especially in combat or combat support. Damn, I hope I have made that clear around here – so much so, that I’ve been accused of jingoism on many occasion – including by you.

  407. Well Tigre and Tex it isn’t so much naïveté as it is just trying to make sense of what people write.

    NO ONE here with the exception of Lurker has ever shown James disrespect. The “twat” thing did confuse me though.

    Goddamit! Now do I have to ban twat too?

    Parker, let me help you. Do NOT refer to Muffy as:

    Clit
    Cunt
    Twat
    Pussy
    or any other slang word for vagina. Are we clear?

  408. Thanks Parker, and the rest of you. I’m not likely to change now. I respect you all too.

    No one with the exception of Lurker and I think Newt or no Newt (NOP of the other blog) who is probably Lurker has been nasty to me here.

    One person why has changed is “Anthony Weiner’s special friend Sydney Leathers” (Twitchy) She wrote “Its amazing when people are surprised I’m no longer a passionate liberal. Liberals hung me out to dry. I’m not buying what they are selling.” “Who wants to help me shop for health insurance?”

    Two random acts of violence occured in Copenhagen and without Brian Williams we have no one to connect them to the Tea Party. Lutherans probably did the deed to whom they suspected were Methodists.

    Roger Simon wrote “More random violence according to our reactionary pro-Islamofascist president.”

  409. “Two random acts of violence occured in Copenhagen and without Brian Williams we have no one to connect them to the Tea Party.”

    Ain’t that the truth.

    Could you imagine if the Chapel Hill shooter’s online presence involved conservative news/blogs/opinion or was a devout Christian? Does anyone doubt the left’s guilt by association would dominate the story?

    Gotta go check in at MSNBC and find out how they’re blaming the right for Copenhagen. They’ve had a string of bad luck with no Tea Party or right wing “Islamaphobes” to blame for all these killings.

  410. “I just think it’s sad that adult shenanigans is what got the kids punished.”

    How did they get punished? Because they lost? So what? Why all of sudden, do we care about a little league team losing a baseball championship. Because they are black? Wtf?

  411. I have to say the Little League story was never on my radar until it was mentioned here and now the more I look into it the more disgusted I get.
    This team,and yeah the kids are fully aware of what transpired,is a disgrace to LLI (little League Intl.) which as an 80+ million dollar enterprise is a disgrace to youth sports and American culture.
    It turns out the coach was not fired only suspended. The administrator of the team/district was “removed” from his position.

    The parents of the ineligible players are remorseless of their actions. In fact they are adamant in stressing that the cheating was in the best interest of the kids and not wrong in spirit at all.
    The parents and the team itself is so bent on the sickness of black victimhood its amazing. They chose to reside in the suburbs so their kids could go to better schools but so hated the burbs LL teams history of playing to just have fun they couldn’t bear it. They logically crossed boundaries to groom and develop their kids in a cloud of ego and baseball versions of the dreaded “hoop dreams” syndrome that stagnates the black community so badly.That Jackie Robinson West has always been a segregated team via its real geography only helped the parents feel more attached and attracted to breaking the rules.
    This case is nothing but a gross slander to the nostalgia and purpose of the summer classic sport of American youth. The blatant affirmative action,racist, give the brothers a pass bullshit of it all is a disgrace.
    Large swathes if not all of American society is morally bankrupt,I am truly sickened.

  412. Everyone knew and it happens all the time in kids sports. It’s considered racist to question the 6 foot fifth graders on the court or field. Good for the parents who stood up to the cheaters.

    The coach got off light, he should be banned for life. The administrator too.

  413. ”I think I can safely say you can’t read.”

    We can all read.

    ”Maybe I ought to know a real soldier. I never have. I never discussed things with the Vietnam vets I knew at IBM. Always felt the topic was too painful for them to discuss their experience.” R, last month

    While I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “real soldier” – I assumed you meant a vet in your life outside of this blog. Perhaps you meant war veteran? Combat vet? Active military? Honorably discharged vet?

    It’s a fair criticism if you’re going to administer intelligent guesses as to the mindset of an “average soldier,” whatever that means.

  414. How did they get punished? Because they lost? So what? Why all of sudden, do we care about a little league team losing a baseball championship. Because they are black? Wtf?

    WTF is exactly wrong with you? Your 11 year old kids team wins a championship and then it gets taken away. How do you not call that punishment? Is it the end of the world? No. But it’s a punishment. And if it weren’t a punishment then why was it done?

    Black has nothing to do with it asshole. The kids had something and it was taken away.

    Let’s talk about the ADULT behavior. Had you been a parent on that team and knew what was going on would you have spoken up? If your kid was being bussed in to spice up the team would you have put a stop to it?

    I assume yes and I assume you agree ADULTS messed this up. If so, stop arguing with me about it.

  415. The coach got off light, he should be banned for life. The administrator too.

    I agree 100%. Muffy why do you refer to parents? I thought it was a losing coach who turned them in.

  416. It’s a fair criticism if you’re going to administer intelligent guesses as to the mindset of an “average soldier,” whatever that means.

    Muffy my original comments were based on what I’ve heard veterans say on TV broadcasts. It wasn’t a pure guess on my part.

    Tigre made some remark about what I imagined my old IBM colleagues felt and I answered him with my “guess”.

    A few here (not you Muffy) in their effort to prove how much they love the troops have made a big deal out of this. James, G and Alfie have added real food for thought to the discussion. The rest has been white noise (no pun intended).

  417. I like Muffy’s comment. While an average describes the group, exceptions are all over the place. You cannot extrapolate all veterans from a few, just as you can’t describe blacks or whites after meeting one or two.

    The administrators and whomever else cheated and they inflicted punishment on the players who deserved much better. The same thing happened when Enron failed without fault from the investors. They didn’t deserve the loses. Welcome to the real world.

  418. The video is funny, and German makes it even more so. There is something about the German language. My wife’s fraternal grand mother and great aunt spoke German when they had private conversations. My wife’s maternal grand mother spoke Swedish. German just fits a dictator better.

  419. White noise in Rutherford vernacular means I didn’t like hearing the truth that exposes my idiocy, and I’ll deflect to another subject to attempt to hide my colossal ignorance about the subject I first mentioned.

  420. Thanks Rutherford. I meant paternal.
    This vaguely applies to our robbing children and adults of the chance to succeed or fail on their own.

    A mother was in tears after her three year old cried “Mommy, I can’t see you any more” after surgeons removed his eyes to cure him of cancer. She told him he could still see her, but in different ways. She forced him to behave as if he had eyes.

    At some point, he learned to click his tongue and use the echos to detect buildings and other objects as a bat does. He is 18 now and people he meets don’t realize he is blind. The young man can ride a bicycle, and he is a true video game wizard, just like in the Who song.

  421. The administrators and whomever else cheated and they inflicted punishment on the players who deserved much better. The same thing happened when Enron failed without fault from the investors. They didn’t deserve the loses. Welcome to the real world.

    Yes the players deserved better and yes they are getting a taste of the real world.

  422. James you can be cussed out in French and think you’ve received the most romantic compliment. You can be adored in German and swear you’ve just been insulted. LOL

  423. James, as you may remember I walk with a cane. Back at IBM one day I walked into the men’s room and a blind colleague said “Hi Rutherford”. Surprised, I asked him how he knew it was me. He said he heard my two feet AND my cane tip hit the floor as I walked in. The other senses and a little logic really do compensate.

  424. Lol………Belky thinks a team getting busted for illegal ringers is a man bites dog news story.

    Suddenly, Belky is such a rabid sports fan that he’s even following the politics and drama of local little leagues. Well……one team. One black team.

  425. I surmise by skimming the comments…

    Rutherford was caned by a blind man in an IBM restroom, which easily equates to James’ entire tour of duty, except, of course, for umping the little league battles between disproportionate French and German parents disassociated from their commonly named sexual parts. And jingoism. Oh, and racism also too.

  426. Rabbit, your page is not found on Internet genius.

    Rabbit I’m beginning to think you’re being a hardass BECAUSE the kids are black.

    I ask again. WTF is wrong with you? They weren’t college kids. They were little kids being run by corrupt adults. You dodged my question. Now I think you would let your kid be a “ringer”.

    And no … ultimately I don’t give a fuck about it. I have near zero interest in baseball, little league or otherwise. I voiced an opinion that the kids got a raw deal cos the adults sucked and you wanna pick a fight about it.

    Drink a beer and shoot a deer.

  427. They didn’t earn it, Rutherford. No one will ever know how the season would have turned out had there been no cheating. There is no next year. It’s sad but it wasn’t fair to any of the kids on any of the teams and this way is justice for all. There are no winners, all because of dishonesty.

  428. ”Kids seemed to work together and compensate for the weaker players. Left to their own devices, I don’t think it would’ve changed any.” -Tigre

    Isn’t that the truth? I’ve seen kids do things on the field that caused parents of both teams to well up when it became clear that no one told them to do that.

    PS to R – It wouldn’t surprise me if the kids that didn’t know there was cheating going on don’t want the damn title anymore.

  429. The kids knew the team was bull shit.

    You think the actual kids playing the game aren’t aware of stuff like that? At the age of 11 and 12?

    Yeah. Billy bad ass with the 80 mile per hour fast ball who lives 30 miles away magically appears on the team but the kids are oblivious. Tell that to Doc Mediocre who now rides pine.

    This kind of stuff happens all the time. All the time.

    The question is, why in holy hell is this story on the tip of Rutherford’s tongue? Or anybody’s? Well…we know the answer.

    As for stripping the “title”… Ooooooooh!
    The ” title” don’t mean shit. The kids already celebrated the win.

    The “title” is fucking ether….scentless, formless and from last summer.

    Maybe Arnold is good go back as Terminater to ump the games and make sure they don’t win?

    Because the title don’t mean shit. Kids won the games. Damage done.

  430. At the age of 11 and 12….you are so hyper aware of the ballers….

    Its like the Who’s Who of little league exists in their minds at all times.

    We are talking baseball, here.

    It’s far from an anonymous sport.

    You don’t forget bad ass pitching and you damn well know it doesn’t just appear out of nowhere on your own team.

    You also are keenly aware of the kids who can go yard. Aware of that one catcher you can’t steel on and thrilled when he ends up on your team.

    I can’t name more then 5 of my teachers from highschool, but I still can name the aces from 11-12 year old baseball.

  431. You’re right DR. Of course it’s a “story” because of race.

    Jesus. Rutherford The Dissembler.

    Ooooh, oooh, white noise. . . white noise. . . 😆

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