Charlie Hebdo Mourn Your Dead and Keep Cartooning

I was hoping to start the year with a light hearted post but today’s event in Paris makes that impossible.

Charlie Hebdo, a French satirical magazine has been poking at radical Islam for over a decade. They were once fire bombed for their efforts but they kept on going. After a tweet “offensive” to Islam (oddly not depicting Muhammad, but ISIL leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi), about a dozen of their staff were massacred today.

In the 1980’s a photo of questionable taste, Piss Christ, was exhibited in public. The picture portrayed the crucified Christ submerged in urine. While the photographer received death threats, not a drop of blood was spilled. The same cannot be said when the image of Muhammad is “disrespected”.

The difference is, unlike fundamentalist Christians, radical Muslims are psychopaths. Anyone moved to violence by a picture or cartoon is clinically insane. Besides hunting these nutjobs down and killing them before they kill us, there is one other thing we must do …

KEEP ON PUBLISHING! Being offended has become a cottage industry in today’s society. That’s fine and dandy. Be offended and protest. But when protest turns to violence, violence should be met with more cartoons. The more violent the action, the more offensive the cartoons should be. Lunatics don’t get to make the rules.

What do you think? The bar is open for the new year.

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293 thoughts on “Charlie Hebdo Mourn Your Dead and Keep Cartooning

  1. I couldn’t have written it any better. One good thing to come of it is a sign Europeans are beginning to fight back. Germans, Swedes, French, and others are protesting the easy access foreigners have to Europe. They are also gaining political power.

    The video expresses my feelings tonight.

  2. Well, R….you go first. Where’s the cartoon?

    Its sad to see liberal multiculturalism destroy Europe.

    Those morons now find themselves in the same position they were on the eve of the 30 Years War.

    Take France. I think it was only 10% Huguenot (sic) when the country decided to slaughter themselves over religion in the War of the 3 Henries. Its 10% Muslim.

    Fools were liberated only to let liberals give their nations to a new breed of Nazis.

    We need to take heed.

  3. Where’s the cartoon?

    I almost used an illustration symbolic of Islam but thought the “I am Charlie” banner was more appropriate under the circumstances.

    Besides, I’m not a satirist. I’m an opinion writer. My “cartoon” is to call them the psychopaths they are.

  4. So other than suggesting I’m a punk do you have a point?

    I’m actually curious. As I wrote this I thought about the fact that Charlie Hebdo mocks all religions and I wondered if you and Tex kinda think they had it coming as far as their mocking Christianity is concerned.

    I’m sure Tex wouldn’t mind seeing Bill Maher hit by a truck and “Charlie” was Maher on steroids from what I understand.

  5. Agreed, Tigre.

    And has bull about Robert Mapplethorp receiving “death threats” was crap too.

    In fact, those rabid “fundamentalist” Christians, no telling what Rutherford thinks they are, were indeed pissed off. Those “fundies” had a REAL right to be.

    After all, unlike the Muslims, Christians got to finance having their religion mocked. Somehow, that’s always forgotten – that the NEA sponsored “Piss Christ.” Not nearly as ‘creative’ as Mary covered in elephant dung, though. Those are only two of hundreds of events in public financed “art” mocking Christianity. And to the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever lost their life over any of them.

    Actually, I find Bill Maher far less offensive than I do a real phony like Stephen Colbert – Maher is an equal opportunistic bigot. Maher is going to die just like me. I’ll let God handle it – vengeance is his.

  6. And has bull about Robert Mapplethorp receiving “death threats” was crap too.

    Read the link. Piss Christ wasn’t Maplethorp and the “artist” did receive death threats if the wiki is to be believed.

    And to the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever lost their life over any of them.

    Did you bother to read what I wrote or did you just jump to the comments section? I already said “not a drop of blood was spilled”.

  7. Maplethorp was known for homoerotic photography that also was very controversial. I’m not aware of his being sacrilegious except to the degree devouts find homosexuality offensive.

  8. Ramp up that fear level. That’s what it’s about. I can smell it in this thread. This terrorist attack was well planned in advance and calmly executed by trained professionals. Even the crowd response with a theme and professional posters at the ready – practiced and choreographed. The media is focused, the images, dramatic, posed, well thought out. How better to rally railroad the masses?

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the new boogeyman bin Laden. How many times can we kill this one? I think one was killed in an air strike in November.

  9. Oh, you made it sound like there was some fatwa placed on these “artists” – and I call B.S… It’s a tacit attempt to once again minimize Christianity as some reformed Islam, because in truth you despise Christianity a whole lot more than you do Islam – it interferes with your religion.

    But you’re right – now that you mention it, Mapplethorpe was famous for the publicly funded bullwhip up the arse…while Serrano was the “Piss Christ” character. These NEA homoerotics all run together for me.

  10. Tex my good man, when have you ever heard me say modern day Christianity even remotely approaches the insanity of radical Islam where violence is concerned?

    Yes, I’ve brought up the crusades to demonstrate that Christianity is not immune to savagery but I’ve never argued with your distinctions in the modern day. That’s why I clearly said so in this post. (To omit that Serrano got death threats would have left me open to correction but what is important is the dude wasn’t killed.)

  11. I don’t despise Christianity. I find much of it fantasy. I find much of it illogical. I find many of its followers hypocrites.

    I don’t despise Islam but can repeat the above paragraph verbatim except to add its radical followers are beyond batshit crazy. They’re dangerous.

  12. Let me give you a recent news story that befuddled me re religion. A small plane crashed a few days ago leaving a lone survivor, a little girl who walked three quarters of a mile in the dark to find help. She lost her parents, a sibling, and a cousin I think.

    Folks called it a miracle and thanked God. Please Tex or anyone else PLEASE help me understand why God got credit for the girls survival but none of the blame for her family being wiped out?

    Yes Tex, that kind of talk angers me. I have two choices. Either believe as I do that God had not a fucking thing to do with it OR that God makes orphans of little innocent kids.

  13. Checking out at the store, the young cashier suggested to the much older lady that she should bring her own grocery bags, because plastic bags are not good for the environment.

    The woman apologized to the young girl and explained, “We didn’t have this ‘green thing’ back in my earlier days.”

    The young clerk responded, “That’s our problem today. Your generation didn’t care enough to save our environment for future generations.”

    The older lady said that she was right — our generation didn’t have the “green thing” in its day. She went on to explain:

    Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant to be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. But we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day.

    Grocery stores bagged our groceries in brown paper bags that we reused for numerous things. Most memorable besides household garbage bags was the use of brown paper bags as book covers for our school books. This was to ensure that public property (the books provided for our use by the school) was not defaced by our scribblings. Then we were able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags. But, too bad we didn’t do the “green thing” back then.

    We walked up stairs because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to go two blocks.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” in our day.

    Back then we washed the baby’s diapers because we didn’t have the throw away kind. We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machine burning up 220volts. Wind and solar power really did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or sisters, not always brand-new clothing.

    But that young lady is right; we didn’t have the “green thing” back in our day. Back then we had one TV, or radio, in the house — not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small screen the size of a handkerchief(remember them?), not a screen the size of the state of Montana. In the kitchen we blended and stirred by hand because we didn’t have electric machines to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we used wadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not styrofoam or plastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine and burn gasoline just to cut the lawn. We used a push mower that ran on human power. We exercised by working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to run on treadmills that operate on electricity.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    We drank from a fountain when we were thirsty instead of using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink of water. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the razor blade in a razor instead of throwing away the whole razor just because the blade got dull.

    But we didn’t have the “green thing” back then.

    Back then, people took the streetcar or a bus and kids rode their bikes to school or walked instead of turning their moms into a 24-hour taxi service in the family’s $45,000 SUV or van, which cost what a whole house did before the “green thing.” We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances. And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to receive a signal beamed from satellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find the nearest burger joint.

    But isn’t it sad the current generation laments how wasteful we old folks were just because we didn’t have the “green thing” back then – the current generation who can’t make change without the cash register telling them the amount?

  14. You know what pisses me off about you, Rutherford?

    Talking about things you don’t know the first thing about like some mindless drone, being corrected which you grudgingly acknowledge, then being so thick a year or two later you mouth the same bad history probably because you heard from some bubblehead on the Morning Joe show.

    Yes, I’ve brought up the crusades to demonstrate that Christianity is not immune to savagery but I’ve never argued with your distinctions in the modern day.

    For at least the seventh time – You ought to be glad for Christian “savagery.” You’d be living under Sharia without those blood thirsty Crusaders. If you were Jewish living in Jerusalem, I would ask for your forgiveness. But since your more Stalin than Jew, I’ll tell you to brush up on your history and maybe learn something and set it to memory.

  15. R – Yes, you should be glad for christian savagery – because it saved you from islamic savagery.

    But what if the world held none of the savagery of either? Then you wouldn’t need one savage to save you from the other, would you?


    re: not liking to fund “sacrilege.” Things are tough all over, Bub. a) Nobody gets to decide how their taxes are spent, and b) Money is fungible – which means you can’t say which of one’s dollars went to fund Interstate highways and which funded “Piss Christ.”

    Humans need to learn to prioritize. Yes, piss is a tragedy, but I’m sure the Poolman, for example, is not too keen on having more than half of his income taken away by force and much of it used to kill people he doesn’t even know. Let’s see here – a lump of metal in a jar of piss, vs. a lump of metal speeding through a human skull…hmmm…yep, a little piss is a real tragedy, all right.

  16. Folks called it a miracle and thanked God. Please Tex or anyone else PLEASE help me understand why God got credit for the girls survival but none of the blame for her family being wiped out?

    Who is your anger directed? God? Or His flock?

    Why would somebody as emotionally immature as you have a problem with people overcome with emotion and not being able to explain it, in the height of their grief perhaps mistakenly give credit to an Almighty God for a miracle? Is that now the most egregious of charges that will stoke your own emotions? Does that somehow detract from an Almighty God and weaken Him or make Him less likely?

    I don’t know that God did intervene in the crash – as His ways not my ways. Or perhaps God intervened in a way that I don’t understand? Like having a man at the right place at the right time who by his own admission had no business being there at night to care for this surviving child? Like maybe providing the real miracle that the other four are already taken care of and if we only knew, there no need to mourn but for ourselves. Maybe this child still has something God wants accomplished through her in future tense?

    This is what limits you Rutherford when you won’t give consideration the chance there is something far greater at play.

    But let me ask you a question. Assuming God didn’t intervene, that’s the standard you’re now going to apply to fallible Christians that allow you to become so angry?

    Well, it’s a damn shame you can’t get REALLY, REALLY PISSED OFF when your former beloved superstar misapplies his lack of judgment and calls the Islamic State of Sharia the JV. Or when he calls the former President unpatriotic for racking up $5.1 trillion in debt, only to double down and have increased the debt $10 trillion before he leaves office. Or when he grovels to Russia and promises to “reset” the situation, only to reset Russia to the USSR. Or campaigns on working for the poor and middle class only to ignore that his own policies have made millions upon millions of his constituents more impoverished.

    Why can’t you work up your self-righteous anger over that, Rutherford? Why do I not have the same right to be REALLY, REALLY ANGRY at profoundly ignorant people like you that wouldn’t listen in 2008 and voted for this charlatan?

    Yes Tex, that kind of talk angers me. I have two choices. Either believe as I do that God had not a fucking thing to do with it OR that God makes orphans of little innocent kids.

    No, there’s actually a third choice. It’s the one you won’t make the time or effort to learn about. And it’s a lethal combination of arrogance and laziness.


    You know, it’s a shame you won’t attempt to really debate without flippancy and fairness about origins. And I think the reason you won’t is you are incapable. It would be a very interesting exercise where your own conclusions lead. I really would have liken you to take a stab at explaining to me how you believe man should be so pious and moral, righteous and objective when you yourself claim that man is some cosmic accident and glorified ape.

    Here’s what I’ve concluded over six years. That kind of thinking by you doesn’t allow you to see the least bit clearly and invariably leads you to the poorest of personal decisions and respective – your adoration of Barack Obama being only the most obvious here.

  17. But what if the world held none of the savagery of either? Then you wouldn’t need one savage to save you from the other, would you?

    I think it worth reminding you that the world has tried it your way, Parker – you believing your own mindset capable of ushering in peace.

    And it was left with 120,000,000 people dead at the hands of those who called the state God in the 20th century alone.

  18. Well written Rutherford and Bravo for sticking your neck out. I’m sure some government agency has surveillance out there that zeros in on any related word pertaining to the cartoon and the massacre.

    I hope this thread doesn’t deteriorate into a discussion of Christianity versus Muslims. The issue in this post as I understand it is what a radical group in the name of religion has done to retaliate against a cartoon mocking their religion.

    Is President Hollande correct in stating “We are threatened because we are a country of liberty”? or does it boil down to three psychopaths?

    Rutherford picked the right cartoon as Hebdo’s website is showing the single image “Je sues Charlie” on a black banner.

  19. Perhaps we are both right – or wrong – Tex. Perhaps the real answer is that it is human nature to organize to kill other humans, and whether the excuse is an insult to one’s god or a manufactured slight about some territorial boundary, humans are simply going to kill and kill and kill.

    The Damned Human Race ~ Twain

  20. To post the cartoon would be a risk. Bummed he missed the real import of my comment. It was not a slight. Major media outlets will show graphic pictures and videos of the slain yet pixelate and image of the cartoon on the magazine’s cover.

    MSNBC engages its usual gears, spends its airtime making sure guys like R know they’re sticking up for the real victims here, Muslims. How are we at fault for this asks MSNBC? 🙄

    The economic and social problems bearing down on France (including the Islamic problem) is the result of the very policies our left strives to attain.

  21. The Damned Human Race ~ Twain

    For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God ~ Romans 3:23

    For the first time in a long time, Parker, I agree with you. Some are just a little “less” bad. And that’s the reason for the season. 🙂

  22. Raji,

    With the players here, it would be almost impossible to discuss this issue without it becoming a “religious” issue. Because religion is exactly what motivates these maniacs in their perverted minds, and “MY RELIGION” will invariably be thrown up as excuse for the enablers.

    A false religion that motivates men to do great evil believing themselves instructed by God is more dangerous than no religion at all. But that kind of mindset cannot be fully understood or even discussed by the carnal.

    “A moderated religion is as good for us as no religion at all—and more amusing.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

  23. The economic and social problems bearing down on France (including the Islamic problem) is the result of the very policies our left strives to attain.

    Excellent observation, my smart friend.

  24. “you made it sound like there was some fatwa placed on these “artists””

    That’s not what I took from the phrase ” the photographer received death threats”. To me it makes it sound like the photographer received death threats.

  25. “I hope this thread doesn’t deteriorate into a discussion of Christianity versus Muslims.”

    Too late. It’s already ruined. May as well come back in a month for a new post.

  26. “You’d be living under Sharia without those blood thirsty Crusaders”

    Wrong? Tell me how…in detail. Then I will feel obligated to take the time to prove you wrong…

  27. I want to see proof of these “death threats” from fundamentalist Christians. That is the insinuation, is it not?

    The difference is, unlike fundamentalist Christians, radical Muslims are psychopaths.

  28. We are Newtown
    Boston Strong
    Bring Back Our Girls
    I am Charlie

    There are obvious efforts with these events that point to foreknowledge. Every successful campaign needs a good slogan and a lot of publicity. Knowing the amount of time and coordination of resources involved for planning and executing these makes all of these suspect.

    I went through pictures of this ‘event’ and have decided it was staged. The lack of blood and the ‘hidden hand’ gestures found in many pictures give it away.

    The fear is real if you embrace it.

  29. Christian or other religious equivalency is a load of crap. Those religions can be mean and bigoted, but they aren’t habitually blowing up or beheading their enemies. The Muslim religion is the only major belief system which tries to destroy unbelievers including apostates of their own religion. The Muslim religion is a religion of peace? Give me a break. Their definition of peace is the grave.

    I don’t think they are psychopaths. They are focused and know what god tells them they must do. It has been so since their first wars of conquest over a thousand years ago.We and Europeans have judged them by our standards. We have offered them refuge, and assumed they would be grateful. Instead, they bide their time until their numbers grow to let them impose their will on their neighbors.

    About a tenth of France’s population is Muslim. Many have not integrated into French society. That is partly the French’s fault. Europeans talk a good game of tolerance when they want to let the United States know they are morally superior to us, but a wide road of bigotry runs through Europe.

    Muslims have created their own communities which are virtually immune to outside influence. They impose Sharia law, exploit women, and like a virus, they spread to other neighborhoods as their numbers grow. Outsiders through fear, guilt, and political correctness. In the UK for example, locals call parts of London Londanstan., Muslims exploited and enslaved girls for years, but the authorities ignored the evil doers even after parents complained.

    We are at war and we are as clueless as when bin ladin declared war on us.A minority of Europeans is waking up. Germans have been demonstrating for weeks. Several mosques have been burned in Norway and Sweden. Swedes are protesting the immigration of more foreigners, especially Muslims. Their leaders call them bigots and more or less say they are better than that. “Its not who we are.”

    European newspapers are publishing the offending cartoons, and I believe a Danish paper will do so regularly. Europeans are some of the most irritable and savage people in the world. Most Muslims are appauled that representatives of their own religion subverts it into something so. I feel sorry for them, but “better you than me.”

    I hope this terrorist attack goads the European minority to further action and that they win enough converts to have some influence. We all need to fight with mockery, scorn, lawsuits, expulsion, closed borders, and if need be bullets.

    I don’t care if people insult Christian artifacts as long as they don’t burn down churches. God created the universe. He can handle what is less than a mosquito bite.

    I posted two war videos from WW1 to Vietnam. Except tor the technology the soldiers are interchangeable. This is a war we may lose.

  30. Rutherford the most recent cartoon was not the cause of the attack. That being said I doubt you need to fear anything if you posted copies of the assorted images that are the cause. You get more traffic than I do but I’ve posted the origin mohamed toon as well as a photoshop of mr Hankey as mo

  31. He’s urgly

    Shame, Raji. Shame. 😈 How dare you call one of Huck’s most respected heroes, the Grand Mufti of Greater Paris, ugly.

    You’ll step on profound hypersensitivities around here like I do all the time if you’re not careful.

  32. Barry Mguire’s song “Eve of Destruction” was written around fifty years ago. If you watch the video tell me why it couldn’t have been written last week. Obama’s two tiered economy is as many of his progressive policies a lie. Obama has led us not to green pastures but what has been deposited on them. Progressives are also unwittingly (I think) helping the jihadist Muslim enemy.

  33. For at least the seventh time – You ought to be glad for Christian “savagery.” You’d be living under Sharia without those blood thirsty Crusaders.

    So the ends justify the means. You realize Jihadists feel the same way?

  34. So the ends justify the means. You realize Jihadists feel the same way?

    The Nazis and Japanese were the aggressors during WWII. In the end, we pulverized them both into dust and with the Japanese, we did exactly what we must do to Islam. We forced the Japanese to renounced Shintoism in a formal agreement.

    You betcha in both cases the ends certainly did justify the means – the latter, we roasted about 150,000 almond eyes to drive our point home so that we were not misunderstood. Of course, back then we were led by real men and most Democrats were not Nazi sympathizers believing Christians were the root cause of what ails the free world – not some knock-kneed, jug-earred, mendacious charlatan and coward who is apparently pretty much ‘Shinto’ sympathizer by his demonstrated actions.

    Every day that goes by Rutherford, I’m convinced before America commences to defending freedom, we need to kill several thousand traitors in our own backyard – about 98% of them with a ‘D’ behind their name.

  35. re: not liking to fund “sacrilege.” Things are tough all over, Bub. a) Nobody gets to decide how their taxes are spent, and b) Money is fungible – which means you can’t say which of one’s dollars went to fund Interstate highways and which funded “Piss Christ.”

    OMFG Thank you thank you thank you!!!! I’ve been saying this for years now.

  36. Is President Hollande correct in stating “We are threatened because we are a country of liberty”? or does it boil down to three psychopaths?

    First, I’m glad you liked the piece Raji.

    I’m not a big fan of “they hate us for our freedom”. It ignores history and paints the west as totally innocent and benign in its dealings with the Islamic world.

    That said, these “three psychopaths” are not alone. They are part of a not insignificant subset of Islam. We should cease calling that subset Muslim. They should be regarded as a cult and they should be dealt with as a criminal syndicate, PC talk be damned.

    And I’ll go a step further. If sane Muslims don’t get this in check, the distinction between religion and cult will disappear and the war will be on Islam as a whole, and rightfully so.

  37. Raji, if Hollande meant that being a free society makes it more vulnerable, yes I do agree with that. Freedom carries risk. We can no longer drive right up to the White House. The price of increased security.

  38. MSNBC engages its usual gears, spends its airtime making sure guys like R know they’re sticking up for the real victims here, Muslims. How are we at fault for this asks MSNBC?

    I won’t put words in your mouth. You’re not suggesting that is what I said in this post are you?

  39. Now, Tigre, as I listen to MoJo on MSNBC I can at least partly agree with you. Someone just said and I paraphrase, some nice kid was radicalized by Abu Graib. In other words it’s our fault that 10% of Muslims (ballpark figure) are clinically insane.

    Yes, there’s a LOT of excuse making going on. This is one common thread between Muslims and blacks …

    ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY!

  40. No. I had just turned on the conga-line of idiots on MSNBC and the usual routine has commenced. I am always gob smacked by the concerns of MSNBC crowd being focused on some weird notions of political correctness rather than truth and substance. Of course, that’s is how libs claim moral superiority for themselves so I really shouldn’t be surprised.

  41. A false religion that motivates men to do great evil believing themselves instructed by God is more dangerous than no religion at all. But that kind of mindset cannot be fully understood or even discussed by the carnal.

    Agreed minus the phrase “false religion”. You’re a big fan of demographics. Aren’t there more Muslims than Christians globally? You’re all worshipping in your way and should accept each other. But when followers take a violent interpretation then you’re right. Worse than no religion at all.

    “A moderated religion is as good for us as no religion at all—and more amusing.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

    Out of context I don’t get what Lewis is saying. It is the lack of moderation that has part of Islam criminally dangerous.

  42. Don’t forget the “we haven’t given enough economic help” to these goat fuckers to keep them from turning violent.

  43. Tex I’ve researched it some more, not extensively, and it appears that museum officials received death threats over Piss Christ, not the artist himself.

    If others find something else, please post.

  44. I went through pictures of this ‘event’ and have decided it was staged. The lack of blood and the ‘hidden hand’ gestures found in many pictures give it away.

    Pools, you live in a fantasy world. Thank God you’re not dangerous.

  45. Rutherford the most recent cartoon was not the cause of the attack.

    Ok I read that it was but many early reports of the incident have proven false.

    I’ve posted the origin mohamed toon as well as a photoshop of mr Hankey as mo

    Holy shit!

  46. “I went through pictures of this ‘event’ and have decided it was staged. The lack of blood and the ‘hidden hand’ gestures found in many pictures give it away.”

    The fool doesn’t deserve a response. He is one guy I’m convinced should be completely ignored here.

  47. Shame, Raji. Shame. 😈 How dare you call one of Huck’s most respected heroes, the Grand Mufti of Greater Paris, ugly.

    Tex you’re changing gravatars faster than I change underwear. Who was the one you posted before the grand mufti?

  48. Rutherford I need clarification.

    “We should cease calling that subset Muslim. They should be regarded as a cult and they should be dealt with as a criminal syndicate, PC talk be damned.”

    You accept that they are Muslim, correct?
    “Islamic Extremism” is acceptable to you, correct?

    “And I’ll go a step further. If sane Muslims don’t get this in check, the distinction between religion and cult will disappear and the war will be on Islam as a whole, and rightfully so.”

    Who is the center of this cult? Who do they worship?

  49. We (well, progressives) don’t have the backs of Muslims that DO speak out against the atrocities. I really don’t think we (well, progressives) can keep demanding that they do.

  50. You accept that they are Muslim, correct?
    “Islamic Extremism” is acceptable to you, correct?

    I accept they call themselves Muslim. I would still like to believe they have perverted their religion much as Falwell’s hate speech perverted his. I’m not saying hate speech is equivalent to murder. But neither should be considered representative of the religion at its best. Of course Islamic extremism is NOT acceptable to me. I don’t see how you reached that conclusion.

    Who is the center of this cult? Who do they worship?

    We don’t have a Charlie Manson to point to. That is why Islam risks wholesale condemnation as there is no one rogue leader to whom Muslims can point and say it’s his fault.

    Many folks are saying the news media is at fault for not showing us the Muslims who condemn this. Be that as it may, decent Islam needs to do more than lip service. They need to get their own in check. Perhaps that begins with reforming Sharia law?

  51. I think you are right, Rutherford. I remember some death threats. However, no one followed through. Muslims would have. They are not psychopaths, Their values are just different from ours. They don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we are not them. God charged them kill or convert us. Yes, free people pay a price for their freedom, but if they are armed, they can protect themselves. Accidental or angry gun deaths could be considered the price of freedom. I think as Tex wrote, the time may come when we have to kill them through laws, mockery, and bullets.

  52. They are not a cult. They are Muslims They worship the same God Christians do. As Jerry Falwell did they interpreted some parts of scripture differently than others of their faith. That didn’t make Falwell a member of a cult any more than these jihadists are a cult separate from their religious faith. They are Muslims.

  53. “Of course Islamic extremism is NOT acceptable to me. I don’t see how you reached that conclusion.”

    Hahaha. I meant the term.

  54. Muffy I’ve heard of Ali and seen her in Bill Maher among other places. I don’t remember her story in detail. Only that her life experience informs her criticism of Islam.

    I think her article was right on the money. As she said, our laws should protect satirists from jihadists, not the other way around.

    I’m also becoming concerned about another phenomena that she alluded to. This notion that we have to tread lightly lest we set them off. What are they, wild animals?

  55. “I’m also becoming concerned about another phenomena that she alluded to. This notion that we have to tread lightly lest we set them off. What are they, wild animals?”

    Holy shit. I would never have thought you, Rutherford, were capable of writing that. Do you think you might find some similarities in other contexts?

  56. OMFG Thank you thank you thank you!!!! I’ve been saying this for years now.

    Figures you would think that brilliant – your ignorance of finance and accounting are only surpassed by your knowledge of world history and religion.

    I thought comparing publicly funded “arts” to a necessity like national security and military one of the dumbest analogies I’ve ever read. One is done for pleasure; one for your life. That’s not fungible in a rational world when people are cutting your children’s head off.

    which means you can’t say which of one’s dollars went to fund Interstate highways and which funded “Piss Christ.”

    Sure I can. I can tell you exactly how many of my dollars allocated to each.

  57. “I went through pictures of this ‘event’ and have decided it was staged. The lack of blood and the ‘hidden hand’ gestures found in many pictures give it away.”

    I’ll give Poolman one thing. He’s consistent.

  58. Out of context I don’t get what Lewis is saying. It is the lack of moderation that has part of Islam criminally dangerous.

    That’s because The Screwtape Letters are a work of fiction, Rutherford. A demon said that – not C.S. Lewis per se. 😆

    Damn, I forget who I am addressing here.

  59. The most influential Muslim leaders are determined to annihilate every Jew in Israel and, because the United States is Israel’s strongest ally, America has been branded “The Great Satan.” The one exception might be the President of Egypt – kudos for his recent speech.

    That is why they hate us…However, it’s naive to think they would stop at Israel as events in Europe are proving once again.

  60. I’ve never met an Arab who didn’t either mock the Holocaust or deny it. And I’ve lived in the heart of Dearborn. Not. One.

  61. You betcha in both cases the ends certainly did justify the means – the latter, we roasted about 150,000 almond eyes to drive our point home so that we were not misunderstood.

    You do realize Nagasaki was the largest Catholic community in Japan at the time.

    “On August 9, 1945, God’s inscrutable providence allowed an atomic bomb named “Fat Man” to be dropped from a B-29 into the heavily populated city of Nagasaki. The epicenter of the blast was the Urakami district, the heart and soul of Catholicism in Japan since the sixteenth century.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=9388

  62. Pools, you live in a fantasy world. Thank God you’re not dangerous.

    Really? I find the world through your eyes pretty fantastic. Let’s start with what you define as dangerous.

  63. Its too bad for the Japanese Catholics The end did justify the means. I had this argument with Jean at the other site, and cited a government document which demolished her thesis. Ragi helped finish her off. The bombs killed thousands but saved even more thousands of lives.

  64. I’ve never met an Arab who didn’t either mock the Holocaust or deny it.

    I don’t think that is illegal yet in this country.

  65. “Of course Islamic extremism is NOT acceptable to me. I don’t see how you reached that conclusion.”

    Hahaha. I meant the term.

    Ahhh ok. I misunderstood you.

    I have to rethink this. By calling the extremists a cult instead of card carrying Muslims, am I letting Islam off the hook? Needs more thought.

  66. The end did justify the means.

    From what I understand, Nagasaki was not the intended target. There are a lot of things we were told in school that is simply not factual. It is a testament of how victors are the very ones that write history Accuracy isn’t as important as image. Just about everything we were taught is lies. But it isn’t easy to convince most. I suppose a good analogy is you don’t put new wine in old wine skins.

  67. “I have to rethink this. By calling the extremists a cult instead of card carrying Muslims, am I letting Islam off the hook? Needs more thought.”

    I think you’re probably overly concerned about a backlash against moderate Muslims.

  68. Not just blacks. Many social tangents pursued by your liberal brothers and sisters. Look at the mess at UVA. Shit, look at the IRS targeting you defend. I can think of many. You?

  69. Nagasaki was a back up target and of the targeted cities had the lowest population & least promising damage analysis. I don’t understand the catholic play

  70. To continue down the non post tangent…. There is a worldview that does not agree that the A-bombs were the war Enders they are heralded as.
    I’ve read a couple of things that look at timing,military plans of all parties and the generally accepted samurai ish attitude of the Japanese and basically the Soviets pending invasion was seen as a big deal.
    Personally I think there was a combination of factors that lead to Tokyo accepting unconditional surrender

  71. “We should cease calling that subset Muslim. They should be regarded as a cult and they should be dealt with as a criminal syndicate, PC talk be damned.” -R

    Muffy, this is MSNBC speak. If you’re looking for an explanation, Howard Dean was spouting this b.s. this morning.

  72. An assignment in a grad school class was to assume the role of a government adviser and recommend the use or none use of an A bomb on Japan.

    I advised exploding a demonstration bomb in the harbor first and saving the second in case the first bomb failed to persuade the Japanese. The record of Japanese behavior and plans for the home land defense convinced me that the allies would face a blood bath. Japanese, as we know, fought to the death and felt disdain when the enemy did not. Hundreds of Japanese civilians jumped from cliffs in the islands to escape capture and what the government had told the would be a brutal end.

    That convinced me the civilians would sacrifice themselves with the military. After the first bomb some military leaders still refused to consider surrendering. I agree with alfie that the bombs were not the sole reasons for Japan’s surrender, but I am convinced they sealed the deal. Such total destruction was hard to ignore, and for all the Japanese knew we had enough bombs to wipe out the country city by city. For those reasons, I believe we had to nuke Japan, and thousands of people lived because of our decision.

  73. A European joke I read: A Pakistani, a Syrian, and a Saudi Arabian are in a car in Germany. Who is driving? A police officer.

    A hundred goats are gathered near a road. What is happening? A Muslim wedding.

    How many Muslims does it take to change a roll of toilet paper? None, because they don’t know what toilet paper is.

    What is foreplay when Muslims have sex? The man tickles the goat’s chin.

    The jokes are bad, but the trend is encouraging. I hope Europeans use more jokes to mock the Muslims.

  74. I don’t understand the catholic play

    Catholics consider themselves Christian, as do most labelists. You don’t find it somewhat ironic that the American made bomb “Fat Man” devastated the center of what was the most Christian part of Japan? This is a place where Japanese rulers had for centuries tried to eradicate Christianity. During WWII we were considered a Christian nation by most.

  75. Well that was sloppy.

    James, you really think mocking Muslims is the answer? I think the media has done a fine job of demonizing them. Do you think this latest ‘terror attack’ was done by Muslims, or is that the narrative? I don’t believe anything the media tells us, no many how many parrots they train.

    I like the way everyone gets a public trial before any evidence is examined or any investigation is done. [sarcasm] It seems to be the trend. These are intentional divide and conquer tactics.

  76. I find it bewildering that Rutherford wants to use ‘Cult’ to describe perhaps a 1/3 of the entire Muslim population, but the goon who killed Tiller the Baby Killer is “fundamentalist” Christian. Christian is a theocracy in waiting. Sharia is fringe. Orwellian…

    Serious question. How do you rationalize with somebody so prejudiced, superficial and blind?

    P.S. to Poolman – innocent people die in war. That’s the nature of the business…

  77. Muffy, this is MSNBC speak. If you’re looking for an explanation, Howard Dean was spouting this b.s. this morning.

    Sorry Tigre. Coincidence. Nevet saw Dean say this. But I’m not surprised. Some of us are trying to separate this from mainstream Islam.

  78. Some of us are trying to separate this from mainstream Islam.

    According to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a woman who would know far, far more about Islam than you, what you are witnessing is mainstream Islam.

  79. Sorry Tigre. Coincidence. Nevet saw Dean say this. But I’m not surprised. Some of us are trying to separate this from mainstream Islam.” – R

    Why?

    Listen, as I’ve said before, there is a difference between radical Islam and “mainstream” Islam, but that difference is not Islam, it is the implementation of Islam. So when a “mainstream” Muslim talks about dar al-Islam vs. dar al-Harb, there is at least the perception and belief (on the part of the non-Muslim) that they are speaking metaphorically. However, when a radical Muslim speaks of dar al-Islam vs. dar al-Harb, there is the absolute assertion that they are speaking literally. The only difference between the “mainstream” and radical view on dar al-Islam vs. dar al-Harb is YOUR perception of the interpretation taken by the either the “mainstream” and radical Muslim. The point is, it means the same for both.

    I think the comments and actions made by al-Sisi is interesting, and certainly a positive, but I’m cautious in clinging to an iota of hope in a sea of doubt. I personally see a fundamentalist transition to Islam occurring right now. Muslim states are becoming more fundamentalist—not less—and that does not bode well for collaboration, cooperation, and integration with Western Civilization. That should concern us all.

    I always found Sam Huntington’s premise on the war of civilizations to be interesting. It concerns me though that buying into his premise could make civilizational conflict a self-fulfilling prophecy, all the same, it is hard to watch what is happening in the greater ummah and not be concerned. Whether you believe it or not, Islam puts stock in the literal notion of dar al-Islam vs. dar al-Harb.

    The left has put a lot of effort—an effort not made by Muslims themselves—into separating Islam from Islamic extremists. The only reason, as far as I can tell, is PC and a short-sighted effort to demonstrate that they are more nuanced and understanding than anyone else, apparently to include Muslims. I think this is a mistake. The intent of radical Islam is to push the ummah towards fundamentalist premises within the faith. These aren’t foreign ideas, but rather are strict interpretations of notions ALL Muslims already believe. Absolving Muslims of radical or violent actions made in Islam’s name by other Muslims removes pressure from the Muslim community to self-regulate the actions and rhetoric of their own—and this is a critically important premise that you must understand. What you or I, or any other non-Muslim, says matters not. Islam is a way of life:

    ”All actions, including how we go to the toilet [and] clean ourselves [and] even in which direction we relieve ourselves, must be based on revelation.” – Anjem Choudary

    Until Islam pressures Islam to cease these types of actions, non-Muslims and Muslims will continue to talk past one another, and at some point, this is going to boil over, proving Huntington correct. Germany, renowned for their cultural and secular tolerance, is seeing more and more agitation towards Islam and Muslims in general. Following the Paris attacks, I’ll not be surprised to see France move in the same direction. The EDL in Great Britain is another example. Many will call these movements racist, and admittedly I’ve not followed them close enough to really say if they are or aren’t, but I do know that the lack of cultural and national assimilation made by the Muslim community strengthens the argument made by these movements. Dearborn is another example.

    The notion that free speech applies differently to Muslims and non-Muslims should send shivers up your spine. Muslims are free to criticize and ridicule any other religion they want, but heaven forbid that action is reciprocated because elements within that faith might go bat-shit crazy and kill someone. How long before major areas of the world conclude it is easier to simply remove Muslims than to live with them?

  80. No matter which side you are on in the matter of renaming the Washington Redskins, this is funny. This guy is hilarious. Here is an e-mail sent to Clarence Page of the Chicago Tribune after an article he published concerning a name change for the Washington Redskins.

    Dear Mr. Page:
    I agree with our Native American population. I am highly insulted by the racially charged name of the Washington Redskins. One might argue that to name a professional
    football team after Native Americans would exalt them as fine warriors, but nay, nay. We must be careful not to offend, and in the spirit of political correctness and courtesy, we must move forward.

    Let’s ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta
    Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are
    in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

    The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant Blacks from the 60’s alive. Gone. It’s offensive to us white folk.

    The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic war that cost this country so many young men’s lives.

    I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic
    religion among our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

    Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who
    raped and pillaged. We are talking about the horrible
    Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay
    Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

    Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong
    message to our children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

    The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote
    obesity, a growing childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our
    children.

    The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates. Wrong
    message to our children.

    The Milwaukee Brewers. Well that goes without saying. Wrong message to our children.

    So, there you go. We need to support any legislation
    that comes out to rectify this travesty, because the
    government will likely become involved with this issue, as
    they should. Just the kind of thing the do-nothing Congress loves.

    As a diehard Oregon State fan, my wife and I, with all of
    this in mind, suggest it might also make some sense to
    change the name of the Oregon State women’s athletic
    teams to something other than “the Beavers”
    (especially when they play Southern California. Do we really
    want the Trojans sticking it to the Beavers???)

    I always love your articles and I generally agree with
    them. As for the Redskins name, I would suggest they
    change the name to the “Foreskins” to better represent
    their community, paying tribute to the dickheads in
    Congress.

  81. Poolman and anyone else, read gorilla’s comment. Our news media and Obama should read it.

    A Saudi man was sentenced to ten years in jail and public flogging with a thousand lashes after this morning’s prayers. Saudi Arabia is our friend. They help us stop terrorist extremists. And yet, women who drive risk punishment. Even our liberal empowered female reporters must wear head scarves because they as inferiors need protection from males’ prying eyes. Aren’t these people Muslims in good standing, or are they radicals separate from the true religion of peace?

  82. The man was punished for creating a liberal blog. Rutherford, do you think the Muslims would let you get away with what you do here?

  83. Because they don’t WANT IT TO BE TRUE.

    That’s why this ‘story’ is ALL OVER the media today 🙄

    Anyone else have a clue how to interpret masonic gestures? Devil’s claw. Hidden hand. Secret societies communicate with symbolism. Symbols rule our world.

  84. Saudi Arabia is our friend. They help us stop terrorist extremists.

    😆 😆 😀 🙂 😐 That’s some funny stuff, James. That country is run by terrorist extremists.

  85. It’s possible the El-Sisi speech was from the heart but as they say….’The proof is in the pudding.’ Muslims have a really bad habit of practicing in al-Taqiyya when it suits their purposes. The American CAIR association, basically a bundler and front group for Hezbollah and Hamas, practices this each and every day on cable TV.

    But El-Sisi wouldn’t be the first Egyptian President to condemn Islamists. Anwar El Sadat was assassinated for doing much the same about 40 years ago by the Muslim Brotherhood fanatics – predecessor to Al Qaeda, and making peace with Israel – after Egypt getting their asses handed to them in war for the fourth time.

    Peace with the West is impossible for Islam and the Koran incompatible with the U.S. Constitution.

    Some around here are either so profoundly ignorant they don’t understand the origins of Islam and its warmongering founder, indoctrinated in the halls of Leftist academia by pointy heads with an axe to grind, or are good standing members of the Left’s unholy alliance to protect the name of Islam. God only knows why as these American dupes won’t escape Sharia anymore than I will as professed Christian. Perhaps I go first but that changes nothing that all will submit or else.

    However, it was a privilege to see someone of prominence and persuasion in a predominately Muslim country make the attempt. Now perhaps El Sisi can address why genocide is being committed against Christians in the country he oversees, being they predate Islam by 700 years in Egypt.

  86. Parker, I read that proposed name change some months back and thought it funny too.

    But these politically correct hacks will have twisted themselves in knots with that Redskin name change demand. As I like to remind the do gooders, my home state Oklahoma will need to be deemed even more offensive as the name loosely means….

    “Land of the Red Men.”

  87. Yes, it is Poolman.

    By Muslin standards, Saudi Arabians are not so extreme, though they finance extremists.They may be our friends because we buy their oil, but they are still considered alllies.

    As part of the bargain, extremists let the royals keep their jobs. Western countries have cordial relations with Saudi Arabia, and I don’t think they are on a terrorist watch list as some other countries are. They haven’t created any new doctrine as far as I know. They interpret scripture from a conservative viewpoint. If Saudis are extremists, you by the same definition are an extremist Christian.

  88. Speaking of extremists, Obama said he will veto a bill permitting the Keystone pipeline because the Nebraska Supreme Court has not ruled on its legality. The court just ruled that the people bringing suit have no legal standing. Obama will not be able to use Nebraska as an excuse to veto the bill. He will manufacture another excuse.

    This tangent applies because Obama and others of his ilk are also extremists. Extreme people share some psychological traits. The progressives don’t bomb or murder their opponents, but they live by the same religious fervor as Muslims, snake handling Christians, and committed atheists.

  89. “Some of us are trying to separate this from mainstream Islam.”

    Cult? Why?

    How about militant Muslims? Seems fitting.

    Until the huge Muslim population acknowledges and does SOMETHING addresses other than deny its existence in their community, your PC driven efforts are counter productive.

    Since you’re a guilt by association man, the knee jerk fear that some group you’ve deemed for yourselves in need of your “protection” (ingratiated/owned) should seem inconsistent. But that would only be to a rational person.

  90. Since you’re a guilt by association man, the knee jerk fear that some group you’ve deemed for yourselves in need of your “protection” (ingratiated/owned) should seem inconsistent. But that would only be to a rational person.

    Could you take another crack at that? You’ve lost me.

  91. “Wrong”

    I apologize to Tex for how dickish this sure appeared. It was not my intention. I was in a hurry and realized later that I should have just let it go until I had time to address it properly.

    Anyway, if memory serves me, there was nothing that went on during the Crusades that either directly or indirectly affected Muslim incursions into Europe.

    Charles Martel won the Battle of Tours in 732, driving the Umayyad army back into the Iberian Peninsula. But that was more than 350 years before Urban II sent Crusaders to the Holy Land in 1096.

    And in the mid-15th Century, the Ottoman sultan, Mehmed II, took Constantinople, captured a bunch of land in the Baltic region, and drove all the way to Italy, before his death and the Papal States sent his troops back to Albania. But that was a defensive action, and was probably secondary to the death of the Muslim leader. There were some feeble “Crusades” against the Ottomans in the 14th and 15th Centuries to retake those Batlic areas, But in all of those attempts, the Ottomans were victorious.

    Between those periods there were several “Crusades” that did result in short periods of Christian rule over Muslim cities. But the Crusaders always left after a relatively brief period, or signed treaties that were usually broken by 1 side or the other pretty quickly.

    I just don’t recall anything about the Crusades influencing Muslim expansion into Europe.

  92. The media attention and general state of reporting on the goings on in France is pathetic . The arrogance and ignorance of the media is immense.
    I am seriously disenchanted with how bad this saga is being played for public consumption when the reality is obvious. Don’t get excited pools I’m not talking your type of “truth ” I’m talking reality

  93. The next chapter falls right into Pool’s wheelhouse. The suspects are dead.

    Alfie, could you elaborate? The one thing that bothers me about the reporting is the refusal to get facts straight before reporting. ANYTHING to feed the 24/7 news cycle.

  94. “As part of the bargain, extremists let the royals keep their jobs…”

    Saudi Arabia doesn’t finance every extremist group and has been the victim of more than 1 successful and planned attack. What keeps the royals in power is oil-financed brute force.

    “Peace with the West is impossible for Islam…”

    No more impossible than peace with the West has been impossible for the West, or that peace with Islam is impossible for Islam. If history teaches us anything, it’s that eventually neighbors are going to fight.

    “perhaps El Sisi can address why genocide is being committed against Christians in the country he oversees”

    That is absolutely something he needs to address, and I sincerely hope he does so sooner than later.

    “How long before major areas of the world conclude it is easier to simply remove Muslims than to live with them?”

    Probably not as long as would be good for the world. Because the action won’t be pretty, nor will the reaction.

  95. So this is…interesting….

    Evidently, the 2 attackers did a carjacking today. The driver of that vehicle says the guys told him the attacks were in response to the killing of AQAP leader Anwar Al-Awlaki.

    Now obviously there have been enough killings and fatwas in history to support that there are some Muslims are fully prepared to kill if they think they’ve been…dissed. And i am sure that had at least something to do with this attack, as well.

    But why put this motivation out there if there isn’t at least something to it?

  96. John Oats said he had the inspiration for the duo’s last number one hit, “Out of Touch.” He wrote the chorus of the semi- religious song. The theme is the importance of the human soul which separates us from wall paper and other creations. Our souls define our identity, and we are lost when we lose touch with the essence of self which is our god-given soul.

    “I’m waking up to fantasy.
    The shades all around
    Aren’t the colors we used to see
    Reaching out for something to hold
    Looking for a love
    Where the climate is cold
    Manic moves and drowsy dreams
    Or living in the middle
    Between two extremes
    We’re soul alone
    And soul really matters to me
    You’re out of touch
    I’m out of time.”

    We are all running out of time.

  97. I just don’t recall anything about the Crusades influencing Muslim expansion into Europe.

    I hope to prevent myself being a “dick” too, but this is what concerns me with those educated in the very liberal public square of higher education. I don’t think these so-called hallowed halls teach good history – and I think there’s a very specific objective as to why they don’t. That’s for another day.

    As specifically written in the Koran, the holy war is a religious duty – the immutable belief of the Muslim mission with the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. And Huck, I will make a gentleman’s bet that not taught in your classrooms.

    The Christian world and much of Europe was reduced to about one-third under the auspices of jihad – in what is now referred to as ‘The Islamic Crusades’, starting two years after the death of Muhammad. The idea was the belief that if Islam does not control a society, then injustice dominates it. Sound familiar?

    The European Crusades were launched in retaliation with the objective of saving Europe and Western civilization from Sharia. That was the main purpose of the Crusades. Granted the Crusades may have been clumsy even murderous in their passions (ask the Jews of Jerusalem) and the way they were carried out far from perfect, but I didn’t even know this much was in dispute.

    I honestly thought that common knowledge.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html

  98. More Outstanding Science from the LEFT!!!! Hooray for Global Warming!

    Time to move to Mars! Temperatures on the red planet were warmer on Thursday than fourteen states from Washington to Maine

  99. So this is…interesting….

    Evidently, the 2 attackers did a carjacking today. The driver of that vehicle says the guys told him the attacks were in response to the killing of AQAP leader Anwar Al-Awlaki.

    Now obviously there have been enough killings and fatwas in history to support that there are some Muslims are fully prepared to kill if they think they’ve been…dissed. And i am sure that had at least something to do with this attack, as well.

    But why put this motivation out there if there isn’t at least something to it?” – Huck

    Well….

    One of two brothers suspected of carrying out the deadly shooting at a French satirical weekly met leading al Qaeda preacher Anwar al Awlaki during a stay in Yemen in 2011, a senior Yemeni intelligence source told Reuters on Friday.

    U.S.-born Awlaki was prominent in spreading al Qaeda’s militant message to European and English-speaking audiences and was an influential leader of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the group’s most active affiliate. He was killed in September 2011 in a drone strike widely attributed to the CIA.

    U.S. and European sources close to the investigation said on Thursday that one of the suspects in the French attack, Said Kouachi, was in Yemen for several months training with AQAP.

    The Yemeni source said Kouachi, 34, was among a number of foreigners who entered the country for religious studies.

  100. I overstated Saudi Arabia’s relationship with extremists but not by much. Middle East Eye has an article “Saudi Arabia’s U-turn on Islamic Radicalism-Political Irony or Greek Tragedy?”

    The Saudi ruling class has indeed supported Wahhabi clerics. “But if Saudi Arabia was willing to tolerate radicalism in the Middle East in order to rid itself of a few enemies and assert its hegymony over the region by creating a buffer to Iran’s political and ideological traction, it did not intend to for IS to become the monster we have learned to fear.”

  101. Tex, perhaps we are just not on the same page with our discussion, and I offer another apology if I simply misinterpreted the foundation for your original statement.

    Pretty much all of the timeline offered in the link you posted, with the obvious exception of Iberia, is discussing Muslim conquests of MENA lands. (Yes, at the time they were largely Christian lands.) And it was the 700+ year Reconquista, that began pretty much after the Battle of Tours, that eventually drove the Muslims out of Iberia—not anything historically called the “Crusades”.

    I was approaching it from Muslim expansion outside of the Middle East and into Europe. I began on that footing because discovery, exploration, and colonization of the New World came from Europe, not the Middle East. I believed that to be an important distinction, since you claimed Rutherford would be “living under Sharia without those blood thirsty Crusaders”, suggesting to me that you were asserting that those who discovered and colonized the New World would have been Muslims from Europe if not for the Crusades.

    My final point is—there are indeed multiple examples of Muslim attempts at expansion into Europe. And those attempts were ultimately put down, voiding the possibility that Rutherford would be living under Sharia law. But it wasn’t the Crusades that influenced any of it.

    “The European Crusades were launched in retaliation with the objective of saving Europe and Western civilization from Sharia. That was the main purpose of the Crusades.”

    The varying texts of Urban’s speech (all written after the fact) do not support this claim. The primary source documents show he sent the Crusaders in order to reclaim the Holy Land for Christianity, to offer remission of sins to a very violent Europe, and to give European knights, many of whom were landless, a place to go for land so they wouldn’t have to kill fellow Europeans for it.

  102. Gorilla…I am wondering if the primary motivation for the attack was the Awlaki killing, with the primary motivation for the target being the cartoons.

  103. Actually, it’s not my “final point”, sorry.

    The Ottomans pushed pretty far into what we’d call “Europe”. So if anything should be credited for keeping Rutherford from living under Sharia law it should be whatever kept the Ottomans at bay. And even then, part of their expansion deeper into Europe came after 1492.

    And that one will be my final point. Thanks for the discussion, Tex. I look forward to reading whatever responses you offer but I think I’ve made my own points well enough that I don’t need to continue.

  104. “There were some feeble “Crusades” against the Ottomans in the 14th and 15th Centuries to retake those Batlic areas, But in all of those attempts, the Ottomans were victorious.” Hucking

    Do you mean the Balkans? Or do you mean the Crusades into pagan Lithuania?

    You lost me there.

  105. The Muslims seiged Vienna in 1529 and 1683. Neither time was within the periods known as the Crusades, and both times were by Ottomans, which I already acknowledged.

    The Muslims captured Palermo in 831. 250 years before the 1st Crusade. The weakened Emirate of Sicily was driven out in 1087, which is still before Urban’s call for Crusade.

    Again, I’m not disputing that they tried, I’m only disputing why they failed.

  106. “Simple question, Huck. Was Islam born of war or peace?”

    Annoying student who answers all the teacher’s questions, even ones not intended for him: “Ooh! Oooh! War!!!!

  107. “Simple question, Huck. Was Islam born of war or peace?”

    It’s a simple question that I don’t think has a simple answer, and one that I’m afraid I don’t have time to explore at this moment. I have already distracted myself too much this morning with our fun discussion on expansion.

    I look forward to giving your link a look later tonight, Tex.

    “Do you mean the Balkans?”

    Yes, I used the wrong term.

  108. “Annoying student who answers all the teacher’s questions, even ones not intended for him: “Ooh! Oooh! War!!!!”

    Or changing the subject, which it most certainly is. 🙂

  109. The Muslims seiged Vienna in 1529 and 1683. Neither time was within the periods known as the Crusades, and both times were by Ottomans, which I already acknowledged.

    Then we have our confusion answered. Because as the link I provided explains, the “Crusades” did not end until well into the 17th century, as the Ottoman empire still Muslim. Perhaps they were minor; but they’ll still referred to in European history as Crusades. But that’s a minor distraction from the real point which I believe you have you not only insufficiently answered, I don’t see that you’ve even really addressed where you claimed I was wrong and you have proven me wrong.

    So I’ll rephrase it and spare the time lines or Euphemisms for religious wars this time. My point to Rutherford, and I’ll readily admit I used the term Crusades loosely as I consider that simply the Christian West preventing Islam from establishing a world Caliphate…

    I originally stated: You ought to be glad for Christian “savagery.” You’d be living under Sharia without those blood thirsty Crusaders.

    So let me ask it this way? Did Christendom prevent Rutherford from living under Sharia Law?

  110. Huck, they didn’t need Aulaqi’s death to justify the attack. That they did point to Aulaqi tells me this was more than likely AQAP than ISIL, which is more important than some might think. That reason revolves around the global jihad and who’s the vanguard of it. Specifically pointing towards AQ demonstrates their relevance in an environment saturated with ISIL.

  111. “Did Christendom prevent Rutherford from living under Sharia Law?”

    No. The Ottomans were not wiped out by a religious army.

    G..that supports what I have been reading from others.

  112. Also, the New World was already being colonized by Christians by “well into the 17th century”. If Rutherford lived in Europe, then specific points on the timeline might not matter as much. But he doesn’t, so they do.

    As a side note, I think it an interesting and pertinent point that the Ottomans were wiped out due to an alliance with elements of what was once…the Holy Roman Empire.

  113. Jerry Falwell was guilty of exercising free speech so il est plus comme Charlie than jihadist. The crusades as compared to jihad is logically erroneous unless the Quran forbids jihad, because the New Testament forbids it.

  114. I’m not going to argue with you, Huck. As Poolman fond of saying, the truth is out there.

    I don’t mean to be offensive – you make some very good domestic political points and those are valuable.

    But your insights here are as superficial as Rutherford’s when it comes to understanding of Abrahamic faiths – they couldn’t be more different. In fact, they are diametrically opposed.

    I find you an appeaser and enabler, a multiculturalist and relativist if you will, and if I were to guess, perhaps Muslim, perhaps Muslim sympathizer. Ironically, though you fail to understand this, Christendom for whatever its foibles established what we now know as Western Culture – and you are a benefactor. I doubt they taught you that at Lib U. either.

    I don’t care to discuss these issues with you anymore if I am to keep my promise of 2015. Please refrain from discussing these with me if you would future tense. I find these discussions with you unedifying and nothing to be gained. Nothing personal.

  115. Does it really matter what anyone’s book says?

    Words on a page have no power. It’s the action of people reacting to them that has power. Those who can harness that action are dangerous.

  116. “But your insights here are as superficial as Rutherford’s when it comes to understanding of Abrahamic faiths – they couldn’t be more different. In fact, they are diametrically opposed.”

    And this has nothing to do with anything we’ve discussed today.

    “Please refrain from discussing these with me if you would future tense.”

    That’s unfortunate. I thought we were having fun. Sorry to hear you didn’t.

    But with that said, I’m going to say what I want to say. If you don’t wish to discuss something with me then it’s up to you to avoid the discussion, If I think you’re wrong about something, I’m going to speak up and make my case. Nothing personal.

  117. A comment on a news story describing the mass exodus of Jews from Paris.

    “I’m now ashamed to be British, both last night and today, the BBC on its news and curent affairs programs like Newsnight and News 24 is trotting out Muslim spokesman after Muslim spokesman all trying to defend or defuse the terrible events of the last few days. But I have yet to see a member of the Jewish community get chance to speak about how the Jewish community of France has been attacked time after time in France over the last year or so.”

    “The peoples fleeing not because that they are a religious minority. But because of the governments failure to protect the public. The present European and Western world have become so liberally minded and driven that they cannot see the difference between right and wrong.”

    “A bad bunch of applies in Europe is spoiling for the rewst. Just to clarify these rotten apples are the anti-semites, not the Europeans by origin. Please governments of Europe time to face facts and bring in some radical resolutions of our own to eradicate this rot.”

    “Any immigrants who does not respects the country’s laws should be kicked out. Period. If the EU wants them, let them have them.”

    The anti immigrant movement is getting stronger in Europe. The ruling governments had better take heed or they will be eventually voted out of office.

  118. The Hollywood only ballistics specialists will never cease to amaze and disgust me.
    @ James that comment reminded me of the alleged writing on the wall about jews in the Ripper case.

  119. Well Rutherford it looks like it depends on the time of day as to whether or not Romney will run again if you take any credence from the following two statements. Makes you wonder though what is going on behind the scene doesn’t it?

    “I want to be president,” Romney told about 30 donors in New York. He said that his wife, Ann — who last fall said she was emphatically against a run — had changed her mind and was now “very encouraging,” although their five sons remain split, according to multiple attendees.”

    “Advisers said Romney discussed the race with his family over the holidays, when they spent time skiing in Park City, Utah, but he insisted that he has not made up his mind whether to run.”

  120. I think there is a lack of appreciation for a LOT OF CONTEXT regards the Crusades and the Ottoman Empire.
    Christendom however is not the reason Rutherford and the rest of us live free of Sharia. Keeping with the entirely shortfall of thread communication the reason for that is GREED

  121. “Simple question, Huck. Was Islam born of war or peace?”

    Not for nothing but Huck is correct in his response. Truth be told all religions were born of CONTROL.
    I think for clarity sake folks should embrace the truth the religion and faith are not synonyms.

  122. I had a post some time ago that looked at the relationships of ISIL and “core” AQ. I think the thinking that the Paris situation is a result of AQ ops is correct.

  123. @ Rutherford I have been focusing on European media for news and of course have had my fill of US media on the events in France. My outrage is almost entirely focused on the US versions and yeah I guess its tied to our overly commercialized “we’ll need to fill space” regardless of its validity,credibility or intelligence level.
    Some examples include:
    The fumbling manner the French security services makeup and capabilities were being represented.
    The presentation of the brothers involved as having been given an education and subsidized housing,arrogantly unaware of what that really means.
    Trying to stress the Algerian slant as if it really connects to the Franco-Algerian experiences of the 20th century.

  124. @ Rutherford as I replied before I think Mitt will look for a “draft Mitt” kind of thing and the other possibles inability to muster cash. I never gave it much thought that he may actual move secretly to make sure funding is difficult for others to get their hands on but that could be afoot. For example Jeb,Christie and Cruz can’t dream of elbowing it with the really deep pockets like Romney is proven to be able to and to some degree presently doing.
    I think by Summer 2015 you’ll see a firmer field of “credibles” consisting of Rand Paul,Ted Cruz,Rick Perry & Jeb Bush. Late 2015 will see a reset with folks reconciling finances,opposition and viability. This is where the Walker,Ryan,[gulp]Carsen or others will appear.

  125. Sorry I missed this earlier, but it’s been a busy week.

    I made a comment on FaceChimp last night that sums up my feelings on this, AND responds to R’s idiot question about Charlie’s equal opportunity mockery and whether as a Christian, I thought they “had it coming”.

    I am seeing a lot of the “Je suis Charlie” popping up in my feed and in other places on the web.
    I understand the sentiment, but how is this any less pathetic than the State Department and the First Lady posing with hashtag signs saying “Bring back our girls” to protest the kidnapping and impressment into slavery of school girls by Boko Haram?
    How about “I am a member of civilization, which means that when a deeply self-deluded knucklehead who is deeply impressed by his or her remarkably absent intellect insults my religion, I DON’T kill him. But I’m not above killing people who think that killing over such insults is wrong, especially when they think that they can and should threaten my family, my friends, and my fellow citizens who “insult” their religion. Because civilization doesn’t require the toleration of murderous savages who think that they can kill over an insult.”?

  126. I hadn’t thought about the Whitechapel writings or the Jew who was arrested and later released. I can see the reasoning.

    As far as I am concerned, you are on a roll. I can’t find anything substantial to disagree with your last wave of comments. I add “resources” to “control”. or maybe “control of resources.”

  127. “Truth be told all religions were born of CONTROL”

    Don’t get that statement. Christianity grew with absolutely no connections to sources of power.

    The theology of Christianity praised the weak and was apolitical.

    Despite the obvious long odds, the religion grew to a point that the Roman Empire decided to high jack the church.

  128. Rabbit in biblical times what did people really want from Jesus? From the Resurrection on what did any number of players use people’s faith and understanding and embrace of the teachings of Christ to do? There are questions that can be applied to Judaism as well. The whole perception of Law emanating from the Torah and every temple invokes control. The premise of Zionism?
    Keep in mind I made it a point to make the synonym thing.

  129. I think for clarity sake folks should embrace the truth the religion and faith are not synonyms.

    True. I’d go further and say everyone is religious and everyone has faith. We all put on a mantel of sorts during our day often referred to as routine. Some place faith in the physical while others in the metaphysical. Most persons employ a mix.

  130. ”Does it really matter what anyone’s book says?”

    When the actions of a group are justified by the group as to be on behalf of or by the authority of the object of their faith, as in “We have avenged the Prophet Muhammad”, I think it matters what someone’s book says. And whether the group is acting in obedience, if only taken to the extreme – or disobedience.

  131. “Rabbit in biblical times what did people really want from Jesus? From the Resurrection on what did any number of players use people’s faith and understanding and embrace of the teachings of Christ to do? There are questions that can be applied to Judaism as well. The whole perception of Law emanating from the Torah and every temple invokes control. The premise of Zionism?
    Keep in mind I made it a point to make the synonym thing.” Alphie

    I honestly don’t know what you are getting at.

  132. Rabbit, I’m sure Alfie’s point is way more sophisticated than this but simplistically when a religion sets forth rules for living, it exerts control and the interpreters of the religion exert control through their interpretation.

    Again I think Alfie’s point goes deeper but that is what I get from it.

  133. As much as I admit Trayvon a terrible torch carrier for civil rights, you boys sure picked a winner in George Zimmerman.

    All the Trayvon protesters could have just saved their breath and waited. Eventually old George is going to jail for SOMETHING.

  134. The first couple centuries saw Christians getting slaughtered. People joined of their own free will. There was no control. Paul had to write letters just get people remotely on the same page…and then got his head cut off.

  135. Early persecution of Christians isn’t something I said anything about. There are studies on it though that make a very good case that the 4th Century reporting on the persecution is overstated. For example when some of the more noted attacks occurred they happened against folks that were well established with land and positions. Since the land,jobs and churches didn’t happen overnight its seems obvious that Christians were at worse tolerated by the Empire.

    The only other expansion I’m up for now is this. The Church and by that I mean the man made physical entity (speaking on Christianity only here) has a loooooonnnnnnggggggg history of being as far from Christ as possible,manipulating people,contriving history,waging war,rape and pillaging.

  136. Thanks Poolman. I was being slightly sarcastic when I called Saudi Arabia an ally. I earlier cited an article which stated that the Saudis are beginning to think they made an unholy bargain with extremists.

    Zimmerman’s later troubles are irrelevant to the trial over Martin.

    The church while inspired by God is a human creation, a business and a means for political control as alfie wrote.

  137. “Truth be told all religions were born of CONTROL”

    That is what you said. I don’t feel you have done a good job of telling us how Christianity was “born of CONTROL”. Either that or I don’t understand you.

  138. Zimmerman’s later troubles are irrelevant to the trial over Martin.

    Well yes and no. It’s not irrelevant to the kind of man he was when he shot Trayvon, i.e. a really f’d up individual. But I agree it doesn’t change the facts of the case — don’t try to beat the head in of a really f’d up individual cos he may shoot your ass. LOL

    To answer Tigre, there was a time in the back and forth over this that some of you painted Z as an innocent victim — in the hero/villain distinction some of you made Z a hero.

  139. Funny how time distorts memory, R. My recollection of that discussion is that there were basically two POVs: the first, that Zimmerman was a racial hater, on the prowl, and just itching for a chance to shoot somebody; the second that Z was a good guy who was stepping up to the plate to do what authorities encourage – participating in a “neighborhood watch.” He was maybe a little sloppy, got jumped, and in desperation shot the man who was sitting astride him beating his brains out.

    Anybody remember it differently?

  140. “Rabbit in biblical times what did people really want from Jesus?”

    The very same thing they want now – a sense of meaning in their lives – a means of transcending what seems on the surface to be a purely existential existence, if you will.

    Someone once said that religion is what man does not know; as he knows more and more, it becomes less and less. People want way to understand external forces which they cannot fathom, that seem to drive their lives.

    I think we have solved many of the great questions through science, with clear indications about what the answers will be to most of the remaining questions. Me, personally – I’m pretty happy with all that, except for the question of self: why is there only one reality, and that is the one through my eyes? There is only one view of the world; I am incapable of any other; and why am I, me? This points to some unknown thing – maybe some odd, galactic consciousness of which we are all a part – call it god or some multidimensional concept we do not understand, who knows …

    But religion? – the organised evangelism, the coercion, the violence, the misuse of power – I find it all disgusting, and no “religion” above it.

  141. What Zimmerman did or didn’t do after his trial is irrelevant unless it was something which allowed for a new trial. It would have had to be something big to countermand double jepordy. Parker might be right, but it is still irrelevant.

    If you habitually drink while driving and you fight a ticket in traffic court because you didn’t run a stop light as charged, it doesn’t matter if impairment makes you crash into a convenience store a week later.

    Consider the liberal sentiment of “some of you made Z a hero.” That supports my belief that underneath it all, liberals are fascists. I’m not accusing Rutherford of being a fascist, but that statement illustrates how such a mind set can invade our public consciousness

  142. World leaders descend on Paris today. Merkel, Netanyahu, literally dozens of others. Maybe Hussein should be there too, unless, of course, he has an early tee time.

    OK, goddammit – enough of the bloody posturing. You people in Europe get together and actually DO something about these muslim nuts. Start by banning all immigration from islamic countries. Ban burquas in public. Stop the bleeding.

  143. Rutherford do you consider it possible that Zimmerman’s life was altered by the Martin affair or that at least potential inevitables were accelerated?

  144. @ Parker France actually has held a very hard line on Muslims. Secondary to their devotion to the francophile secularism the French have banned the burqa and has always supported an immigration system that isolates. The latter is actually what helped make them a target.

  145. SCI-TECH TODAY “Scientists Seek Religious Experience in the Brain” They are scanning brains of people as they pray and practice other religious behavior. to see what physical and chemical changes religion causes.

    “Other animals have hierarchies, organized behaviors, even a semblance of norms. Only humans have religion and science. And the two have seldom been on civil terms.”

    Until now, Korenberg and Anderson have studied the neurochemical and genetic roots of Williams Syndrome which is in some ways the opposite of autism. They have scanned Zen Buddhist monks, Franciscan nuns, and now they are scanning Mormons. Andrew Newburg who has also researched brains and religion has written a book, “Why God Won’t Go Away.”

  146. Far from my desire to be the one that flogs this particular horse but here it is.
    In fairness to dead rabbit he puts a more stringent application of time on “born” than I do. Perhaps that is all there is to be said but…
    Jesus offered peace and a place in His kingdom all along many thought he was the way to get a piece of the kingdom.
    This simple truth is the very foundation of a lot of human & geopolitical reality that in my opinion supports the credibility of the Bible. It is why there was persecution. It is why the Letters had to be written.
    It is this reality that I feel explains my position on Christianity being born out of control. The control issues only magnified as time went on and numbers grew.
    I will close stressing that I also believe Christianity a greatly beneficial faith that at its core has fostered mostly good on the Earth. I will also gladly go on the record that I find it not only the superior Abrahammic but quite frankly the best and truest faith for a person to follow.

  147. @ Parker Europe faces more issues from those who are all ready there.
    UK,France and Germany are moving on stripping rights from folks who leave those countries and go to certain countries like Iraq,Syria,Yemen etc. This riles the PC & Snowden crowds equally.

  148. Denmark’s Integration minister, Soren Pind said in 2011 “… when people come to Denmark there is a natural expectation from the Danish side that if they of course come in order to become Danish, and not in order to change Denmark.”

    FOUSESQUAWK wrote “Yes, its true that Muslims in Holland and most other European countries are not well-liked. The sad fact is that many Muslims, not all, but many refuse to assimilate into European society, have no respect for the values and traditions of the countries they have chosen to immigrate to and practice intolerance towards those who do not share their faith. In addition, many simply live on welfare while cursing the hand that feeds them. then, there is the threat of terror. The sad result is that innocent Muslims have to live under this suspicion s well. The fact is that the everyday Europeans don’t want to see Muslims kicked out of their countries,: not because they are racists, rather because their hospitality has been badly abused. Their political leaders refuse to support them. They are too afraid”

    “Yes, Europeans share part of the blame for not insisting that immigrants assimilate. Now they are paying the price. We in the US should heed that lesson.

  149. @Alfie – it is very, very tough to maintain civility and civilized response in a time like this one, but OTOH, when you are under attack – and I mean demographic attack primarily – like Europe is now, you have to be able to respond decisively, PC and leftists be damned. It’s a matter, literally, of survival.

    My first impulse is to raze every mosque in Europe and block every Website that has any islamic message, but that makes you just like them.

    So, even though you can’t do that, Europe has to be willing to do what has to be done, and do it without apology – a measured response, but firm and unyielding. To my mind, that first procedure is to stop the infiltration of Europe (fertility rate under 1.0) by people from muslim countries (fertility at least 4X that), because that threat is real, immediate, and absolutely devastating. (Take a financial calculator and do some compounding experiments – it will make you very alarmed.)

    US has a little more time, but damned little. Those of us who do math for a living see the implications very well – and what the future will bring. Act now. Don’t wait until the viper is at your door, like you did in WWII.

  150. Parker I have no doubts Europe is going down the demographics slide as you note but I don’t think that applies to the USA, In the USA the demographics would be more along the Latino line.
    If your comment captures your true feelings I doubt you will be entirely let down by what is coming to Europe in response to this event. Europes Right is gaining gravy points with this and along with the troubles of the € change is coming to Europe.

  151. Whoa there, BIW. Are you saying that the statement that religion and science have rarely been on civil terms is incorrect? My prejudice is that it is VERY correct: Galileo, Copernicus among the hardest hit.


    Just got a message from an old friend in NYC: best estimate for French rally about 1.5M. Did a quick survey of European blogs and news outlets: they are raking US over the coals, especially the Hussein-aligned leftist press, for failing to report what’s going on over there. They are calling out the US press as Hussein’s lapdogs.

    And that’s why I get all my US news from the “Internets.”

  152. @ Parker I think your friend and reliance on who knows what EU sources you are talking about have done you a disservice.
    @ 12:38 EST the headlines of: The Boston Globe,NYT,NY Daily News,WSJ,LA Times and WaPo headline the march in Paris.
    Im curious what are your sources of POTUS and by extension the US being punks?

  153. Question for the bar but with a focus on Parker and PoolMan:
    Anonymous has declared they are going to go after jihadists on the web. Do you think this a good idea?

  154. “US has a little more time, but damned little.”

    According to the latest census reports, Muslims make up 0.6% of the US population, while they make up 2.2% of the Australian population.

    Seems rather odd a resident of Australia wouldn’t mention that.

  155. Me, personally – I’m pretty happy with all that, except for the question of self: why is there only one reality, and that is the one through my eyes? There is only one view of the world; I am incapable of any other; and why am I, me?

    Parker this question has haunted me for years now and I’ve never expressed it publicly perhaps for fear of being misunderstood.

    You put it very well. Being “trapped” within our own perpective, our eyes the only window through which we see the world … and the troubling suspicion that at the end the window goes black and then there is nothing.

  156. Rutherford do you consider it possible that Zimmerman’s life was altered by the Martin affair or that at least potential inevitables were accelerated?

    Good (and compassionate) question. Of course if I chose not to be a judgmental prick, I’d have to entertain the notion that the Trayvon shooting exacerbated any problems Z might already have had.

  157. My answer may be irresponsible but I hope Anonymous brings every jihadi web site to its knees. The radicals have added social media to their arsenal and we need to fight them in this new arena.

  158. Anonymous has declared they are going to go after jihadists on the web. Do you think this a good idea?

    Anonymous is almost entirely CIA anymore. They are the face behind most jihadists on the web, too. Here is an interesting video if you give it the time to listen. Be forewarned, it’s well over 10 minutes…

  159. I want to make the following observation.

    It crossed my mind regarding Paris, 12 dead at magazine – really not that many in the grand scheme of things. Yet Parisians compare this to 9/11.

    And then it hit me. We live in such a violent society in the US that we could only HOPE for 12 murders in one day. This kind of violence in Paris is unusual.

    This should give us a wake up call.

  160. Pools are you suggesting the CIA produces jihadi web sites? To what end?

    Yes I am.

    To what end?

    Control. Problem, reaction, solution.

  161. I’m a big fan of Reza Aslan. He always seems to be the grownup in the room.

    But …

    He says if you don’t hear Muslims calling for moderation then you’re not listening. Am I not listening?

    Huck’s report on al-Sisi decrying extremism was the first I heard of it.

  162. Re the window going black. We don’t realize it, but we are born alone, we live alone, and we die alone. If the window goes black we won’t care because we will no longer exist. Or as Peter or someone in the New Testament said we know nothing until Jesus returns and we rise from the grave. So enjoy yourself. Its later than you think. I cross country skied twice today. Our dog had a good time too.

  163. Ha Ha! That’s right, Rutherford, few Hispanic Muslims, but lots of Catholics. Hispanics like conservative Americans also have a relatively high birth rate.

  164. I didn’t see that Brooks said much of anything. It read like a string of false equivalencies that requires little imagination to continue In perpetuity.

    R, what did you find enlightening/refreshing about the Brooks piece? Serious question. Time to asses different forms of controlling speech by those that claim offense?

  165. Tigre I was focused on the very first paragraph. The same college liberals screaming je suis Charlie would go batshit crazy if the college satirical magazine printed cartoons like that of Charlie Hebdo. I just thought he nailed that hypocrisy, that’s all.

  166. Americans are so full of shit — especially many liberals.

    I know you’ve lived a sheltered existence, Rutherford, so I don’t want to just assume you know certain things that I know because we are of the same generation. Have you ever heard the old saying, you are what you eat? There is much truth in that. It doesn’t strictly apply to food for “man does not live on bread alone…

    What we eat, or better yet – what we take in, forms us or makes us what we are. This applies to what we hear and listen to and what we watch and see. We know this and it certainly affects the way we parent. There is a spiritual side to this, but I won’t focus on that part knowing your sensibilities. So, from a strictly physical need, let’s discuss the ‘problem > reaction > solution’ way we are all being moved into a controllable global mass by a group of elite carnivores that benefit from our ignorance and effort.

    The Salon piece is another squirrel. Maybe somewhat entertaining, but it’s junk food. Garbage in, garbage out. The media machine takes its story lines from the CIA. Can we examine their record? Much of those ‘journalists’ are CIA. It has been public knowledge for a long time now. You accept their version of things and gorge yourself daily from their elaborate smorgasbord. Occasionally you complaint of indigestion and purge yourself. The next day you’re back in the buffet line. This is groundhog day, Rutherford. Why hasn’t that sunk in?

    Let’s look at what those parrots aren’t focusing on:

    Shooters were radicalized in Europe, sent to Syria, returned, have been previously arrested by Western security agencies for terrorism and long on the watch-list of French and other Western intelligence agencies. Yet “somehow” they still managed to execute a highly organized attack in the heart of Europe.

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2015/01/paris-shooters-just-returned-from-natos.html

    This isn’t new, it’s been the trend. They are trying to make it look like a grass roots radical Islamic movement. That’s the tail wagging the dog.

  167. Over forty world leaders attended a pro -French march. A British newspaper called Obama the invisible man. Even Eric Holder who was in Paris missed the main event.We know the uproar had President Bush blown off the gathering. Why did Obama?

  168. Poolman what I got from you this morning is that David Brooks works for the CIA and you don’t seem to believe there is such a thing as an “intelligence failure”.

    Do I have that right?

  169. Normally James I’d say much ado about nothing but it did look horrible that no high ranking US official was at the rally.

    You folks need to stop calling Obama some sinister malignant pestilence. He’s amateur hour, pure and simple. What a fucking embarrassment. 😦

  170. Jack Tapper also wrote that he was embarrassed by Obama’s absence. It just looked bad. Obama may be incompetent, but he is still a malignant presence. Thank God he isn’t another Lenin, Churchill or Lincoln.

  171. But with that said, I’m going to say what I want to say. If you don’t wish to discuss something with me then it’s up to you to avoid the discussion, If I think you’re wrong about something, I’m going to speak up and make my case. Nothing personal.

    No, it is not fun. I get tired of the lies and the propaganda. I asked you nicely to try and improve the decorum. You wouldn’t listen. Remember that when you go to whining next time.

  172. You folks need to stop calling Obama some sinister malignant pestilence. He’s amateur hour, pure and simple. What a fucking embarrassment.

    No more so than the stupid people who voted for him and still call him a mediocre President because they don’t have the courage to admit how utterly clueless and vacuous they really are.

  173. This Paris demonstration was a useless dog and pony show of absolutely no historical importance and soon will be made visible just how flaccid the West has really become. Unity? Unit of what? They can all die together like sheep, I guess. It’s like all these Leftists do gooders upon which some tragedy at a school takes place, they rush down to the halls to provide ‘counseling.’ ** VOMIT ** What a crock of shit.

    The fact that the U.S. wasn’t there as representation may be politically disgraceful, but no more so than the belief that gathering at the flag pole somehow demonstrates strength. It does nothing of the sort. It makes the West look even more flaccid.

    If the West had any balls left and the demonstrators were truly sincere in their declarations, a real gathering would have including marching right through these radicalized Muslim neighborhoods in a show of force that would have included tar, pitchforks, and ICBMs and perhaps burned a couple of mosques down for good measure.

    What a joke Europe has become. And it’s coming here sooner than you think. The only reason were not already Europe is our military and an ocean.

  174. Do I have that right?

    No, not quite. Brooks isn’t necessarily CIA but he can only color within the lines they demark. They’ve been blaming acts of terrorism for ‘intelligence failure’ since before 911. Are you aware of the budget allocated to intelligence? These ‘terrorists’ were on their radar.

    It comes back to the question: Who benefits? Is all this benefiting Islam or?

  175. Pools, as far as I’m concerned Bibi attended because Jews were killed.

    Then you are more naive than I thought. Bibi is a bully and ALL those in attendance kowtow to him.

  176. Why is the American media and these Europeans so bewildered that Obama didn’t appear in Paris? Is there some reason what they think Obama’s meaningless appearance would be so important? LOL. I’m sorry. I’m laughing at Europe and laughing at America’s Left and the Muslim sympathizers and enablers. My dog’s piles are more useful in a battle than you cowards and dupes.

    May I remind everyone with memory (that excludes you Rutherford), these same shills were so taken with one Barack Hussein Obama, that they anointed History’s Greatest Sham with a Nobel Peace Prize after doing absolutely nothing 12 days into his first administration ? The school girl groupies Germany and France were two of the absolute worst offenders of celebrating in Obama’s greatness.

    I now am expected to have faith in the judgments of these same useful idiots? Is that parody? That’s comedy gold. Fucking Rutherford and the rest of the Muslim enabling loons may lap it up, but that ain’t going to save your scrawny necks or your kids 🙂

    These Eurowienies filled football stadiums and public squares and spoke great things of Barackl Obama’s America now that the evil George Bush and Darth Cheney were never to be heard from again. How’s that shit sandwich taste now, Frenchies? I give you the big FU.

    I’ll make a prediction. Soon, these same worthless European countries are going to be demanding an American War Time President and Consigliere with an enemy they dare not call by name.

    I hope the American President tells its NATO allies to go fuck themselves and take the lead.

  177. Then you are more naive than I thought. Bibi is a bully and ALL those in attendance kowtow to him.

    I know you’re Jew hatin’ has no bounds, Pool. But exactly how is Europe kowtowing to Netanyahu when the President of France asked him not to be there? Not only did Europe try to exterminate the Jews, but they haven’t done much to help Israel in 70 years. We’re the Great Satan, remember? Ask an Israeli, and they will tell you Europe is more foe than friend.

    A guy like you ought to be singing Europe’s praises. There’s millions of Poolmans in every country over there. Pacifists who believe in multiculturalism and rabid Jew hatin’.

  178. Bibi has done more harm than good for Jews worldwide. They have no problem sacrificing their own along with others for the greater Israel, which is satanic if you know anything about cabala.

  179. Is that what you think Bibi practices, Pool? Madonna’s chosen flavor of faith for the month? 🙂

    How has Bibi harmed Jews worldwide? By not demanding they walk into the gas chambers without resistance? I just saw a headline this weekend taking a break from this place away from the Mussie sympathizers and enablers that there isn’t a Jew left in Paris. That’s good news for you Jew haters, isn’t it?

  180. This isn’t worthy of using to support Tex;s writing about European Jew haters, but here it is anyway.

    Mila Kunis co -star of That Seventies Show, current actress, and wife of Ashton Kutcher another co-star of the show, was born in Ukraine. She said the family moved to the United States to escape anti-semitic discrimination in Ukraine. She now has Iowa ties because Kutcher is Iowan and makes regular visits home.

  181. I’m not using absolutes or quoting statistic, Poolman. I’m sure there’s Jews still around in Paris – that was just the lead headline on Drudge. I know thousands of Jews did partake in aliyah to Israel last year from Paris.

    I just figured a multiculturalist, American hater and Mussie sympathizer like you would find that good news. Gather them all up so you can blast them into eternity and all.

  182. And they tell me Holder didn’t attend the parade because the Jew killer Islamist was a black man who was murdered by the gendarmes. Hands up, don’t shoot! 😯

  183. You realize Charlie Hebdo was censored from publishing anything considered anti-semitic. Just about the entirety of Europe has been castrated in that way. There is also research showing the supposed ‘gas chambers’ were not really able to be used as such without gassing guards. However even discussing physics PROVING a false narrative can be labeled anti-semitism.

  184. Poolman, every breath these wicked Jews take is anti Semitic. I would think a guy like you right now would have a profound case of blue balls just thinking of the possibilities at this moment – universal Armageddon, Ezekiel 38 style.

    But no, I wasn’t aware that Charlie Hebdo had been “censored” at all. They seemed to be an equal opportunity religion basher and were pretty free post about anything. I think they had been “asked” to self-censor and didn’t take the advice.

  185. Mila said not many of her family survived the Holocaust in Russia. “When I was in school over there, up until I was seven, you would still see anti-semitic signs . One of my friends who grew up in Russia…she was in second grade.. .and she came home one day crying. Her mother asked why she was crying, and she said on the back of her seat there was a swasticka. Now this is a country that obviously does not want you. So my parents raised me Jewish as much as they could, and they came to America.”

  186. Jews control money and the press. That is how they gained control over us and the EU. History is full of persecution of Jews and non Jews. The former have perfected victim status and have used it for political gain. Since they provide you with all your information, it should be obvious the truth slanted in their favor. The fact that you were not aware of any censorship supports that.

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/news/152585/charlie-hebdo-fired-cartoonist-for-anti-semitism-in-2009

  187. Jews control money and the press. That is how they gained control over us and the EU.

    Sacré bleu!

    I guess I want to be on the side of perhaps 500,000 people smart enough to control 66MM rubes, dupes, and assorted pool cleaners. If these Jews in control as you insist, Poolman, why are leaving Europe in droves then? 🙂

  188. The USA puts a lot more stock in its leaders security than other countries. The USA does not accept being the secondary security fiddle to anyone.
    What it would’ve taken to put Obama in Paris would’ve ruined what the French were trying to do.

  189. Though I ain’t buying it, then how about a alternate senior (Biden, Kerry?) or a statement explaining the absence but pledging solidarity?

  190. The USA puts a lot more stock in its leaders security than other countries. The USA does not accept being the secondary security fiddle to anyone.

    You seriously think the USA puts more stock in security than Israel and that a terrorist enabler and Muslim Cairo groveling apologist like Obama under greater threat of assassination than Binjamin Netanyahu? 🙂 And it would have ruined what France trying to do, whatever the fuck that is. Really? I ain’t buying it. Hussein is gutless – always inferior to a man’s man. This weakling can’t even throw a baseball, much less stand up to a bunch of Muslim marauders. Netanyahu’s seen action – Obama’s still gazing at his asshole while straddling a mirror.

    There’s three possible reasons that the insufferable Hussein Obama didn’t go to Paris.

    (1) He’s a coward – this much obvious. Why do you think Obama has no problem frying women and children with drones but won’t put boots on the ground? Less risk and its politically expedient with lapdog media in tow to cover double standards and behavior.

    (2) Obama being the malignant narcissist felt it wasn’t about him – therefore, not worthy of making a showing if there were no special adoration for him.

    (3) There’s better TV in the West Wing to watch NFL Conference Playoffs than AF1, he’s lazy and apathetic, and he’s got better things to do with him own time.

    I think it’s safe to assume it’s a combination of the three I listed.

  191. While I think Alfie makes a point, this is one instance where Obama could and should have done more. That said, security aside, from an optics perspective, this is going horribly wrong for the Regime. I could seriously see Josh Ernest fired in…3…2…1…

  192. Seen on a sign at a gun range in Texas:

    Guns are Cheaper than Obamacare and have better Coverage
    Does one of Obama’s family member have to be beheaded for Change to Happen?
    I like my guns like Obama likes his voters: Undocumented

    😆

  193. Hey Alfie. You got a problem with Mr. Duke’s history? Why don’t you correct him then? I dare you to find one thing wrong with that information. Seriously. Let’s see what you got besides taking a dump from living in the police state of Camelot Warrenville calling yourself expert moderate.

    Exactly what is your field of expertise again? 🙂 Sure ain’t history.

  194. And they tell me Holder didn’t attend the parade because the Jew killer Islamist was a black man who was murdered by the gendarmes. Hands up, don’t shoot! 😯

    Whoever “they” are, they’re full of shit. I think you pulled that out of your ass.

    Holder, as the highest ranking official in the region should have attended. Why he didn’t had nothing to do with the perps skin color.

  195. then how about a alternate senior (Biden, Kerry?) or a statement explaining the absence but pledging solidarity?

    Solidarity was already pledged. Obama spoke on this more than once in the aftermath of the tragedy. So that’s beside the point.

    Someone should have been there and the most logical choice logistically would have been Holder. Holder would not have needed the security detail that Obama or Biden would.

  196. WTF? I said “explaining the absence” but pledging solidarity. Jesus.

    The WH itself has finally said it was a mistake. That’s gotta tell you something.

    So, why do you think it made this “mistake?”

  197. “I get tired of the lies and the propaganda.”

    Where did I lie? Was it a lie that the Ottomans were not wiped out by a Christian army? Was it a lie that your grand 17th Century Crusade came after Christian Europe started colonizing the New World?

    The only thing that was lying propaganda was your claim that the bloodthirsty Crusaders kept Rutherford from living under Sharia law.

    “Remember that when you go to whining next time.”

    It looked like, to me, that you were the one whining.

    Look Tex, if you’re the one with the problem, it isn’t up to me to baby you. If you don’t want to talk about something with me…fine. Then don’t talk about it with me. But asking me to self censor is laughable and I refuse to do it.

    Maybe you can get Rutherford to put something in the filter for you.

  198. Selwyn Duke isn’t a historian, either, Tex.

    Just because someone tells you what you want to hear on a subject, it doesn’t make them an expert in that subject.

    Selwyn Duke is also on record as writing that the US should dissolve because of its gay rights. The guy is 1 step away from Westboro territory.

    And even with that, in his article you linked, he admits the Crusades that went into the 17th Century were “minor ones” and that the meat of the Crusades dated ” from 1096 through 1270.”

    That looks strangely similar to EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. So where was the lie?

  199. Look Huck. I liked the article. Not once have I ever said Mr. Duke a historian. Being a historian is meaningless.

    I know a few things about you. First, you’re incapable of understanding more difficult subjects. You’re the consummate lib arts major – kind of a psycho babble aficionado diving deeply into hypothetical – U.N. material. Your politics is parrot – at least you’re on the right side. The first piece I ever read from you was textbook like Jr. High economics which you thought pretty steeped. It was laughably elementary. Since when does a Masters in religious studies or whatever that community shit make you an intellectual wonder? It’s one step above Womyn’s Studies.

    I get this. I really do. You’re a moderate guy, illiberal and irreligious – easily led astray. Not a bad sort but most definitely not a deep thinker either. Critical thinking ain’t your bag. I never said the Crusades destroyed the Muslims – that’s what they should have done in hindsight. It’s what we ought to be doing now.

    America is Western Culture – more specifically European culture. That’s what it is grounded in and has been since long before Islam.

    The Crusades drove the stink beards back to the shit hole from whence they came. Unfortunately, mob rule won out and the “Crusaders” crusaded thousands who were completely innocent. But it a well know established fact until apparently ten years ago, that in the entire period of 622 AD (you know Anno Domini) until about the end of the 17th century, the stink beards tried time and again to establish world dominance. It’s still their dream and the very word Islam means submission. Had they won, your forefathers would be submitting to the Moon God Allah and doing a Hajj or two.

    The fact that you don’t know that and can’t even admit the illiterate fraud Muhammad was a man of war who killed thousands. tells me your education and information skewed, prejudiced, and incomplete.

    But I would like to think you’re at least intellectually honest enough to see the news and not believing your lying eyes.

  200. Whoever “they” are, they’re full of shit. I think you pulled that out of your ass.

    Damn, your deductive powers are incredibly amazing. :shocked: I did indeed pull that out of my ass. Even Densi JAL probably would have understood that. LOL

  201. Tex, what prompted the insult to Alfie? Honestly I’m lost

    I didn’t think it was an insult. I think his info bad. But If so, no more than he’s been dishing me for about three or four months now. All’s fair in love and war.

  202. “The WH itself has finally said it was a mistake. That’s gotta tell you something.

    So, why do you think it made this “mistake?”

    I don’t think they really care.

    They didn’t think that not attending would be a bigger distraction than attending.

  203. Can we say Muhammad was a false prophet when you can say the same for Joseph Smith?

    I’ll say that right now. 🙂 Can you admit that Mitt Romney is not quite the treat to your family that Huck and Alfie’s favorite clan of head loppers might pose?

  204. Can you admit that Mitt Romney is not quite the treat to your family that Huck and Alfie’s favorite clan of head loppers might pose?

    LOL Tex that was one of your better typos. Yes indeed, radical Muslims are a bigger TREAT than Mitt Romney.

    I think that needs to be Jebs campaign slogan.

  205. “Can you admit that Mitt Romney is not quite the treat to your family that Huck and Alfie’s favorite clan of head loppers might pose?”

    Muslims aren’t a threat to Rutherford, remember? All thanks to those bloodthirsty Crusaders.

    “Critical thinking ain’t your bag. I never said the Crusades destroyed the Muslims”

    Did I say anything about anyone destroying the Muslims?

    “The Crusades drove the stink beards back to the shit hole from whence they came.”

    Which Crusade? The Crusade that your own source calls “minor”? Which shithole? The one that was once the seat of Eastern Christendom? Be specific, oh great critical thinker.

    “But it a well know established fact until apparently ten years ago, that in the entire period of 622 AD (you know Anno Domini) until about the end of the 17th century, the stink beards tried time and again to establish world dominance.”

    And I mentioned the times they got pushed back, as well as how those times did not square with your claim as it relates to the timeline. Are you going to allege now that timelines are meaningless to history?

    “The fact that you don’t know that and can’t even admit the illiterate fraud Muhammad was a man of war who killed thousands”

    He did do that. But you never asked me that. You did ask some other type of crap in a juvenile and failed attempt to draw us away from me destroying your revisionist history. Which I have quite obviously done to the standards of everyone here, except you.

    “America is Western Culture – more specifically European culture. That’s what it is grounded in and has been since long before Islam.”

    Well, Islam began in 613. America—didn’t. Then again, maybe you can Google something to link us that says different.

  206. have you read the message or Iran’s supreme leader to Europen and American youngs. I think it’s very useful to understand better about today’s happening in world. It’s nice… taste it!
    http://farsi.khamenei.ir/ndata/news/28731/index.html#en

    Editor’s note: I have not verified the authenticity of the web link provided by the commenter but I am posting it in the spirit of free exchange of ideas.

  207. Rank propaganda, “R” – whether purposely or a joke to be determined. The science and literary aspect the dead give away.

    But if Reza is not a troll and is serious in his questioning, I would like to talk to him about the dissatisfaction of Iran’s youth with it’s Supreme Leader – more specifically the Green Party of Iran. 🙂

    And then we can move to the false prophet, Mohammad – the man of war.

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