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Time For the Coming Out Party to be Over

When the CEO of Apple, Tim Cook, announced he is gay last week my immediate reaction was

SO WHAT?

More than half the States recognize gay marriage. I predict within the next 5 years all 50 states will do so. More than ever before gay-bashers are viewed as Neanderthals.

All civil rights movements evolve. When they don’t, they actually set themselves back. When blacks continue to talk like we still live in Jim Crow America, we distract “the cause” from more productive actions that could improve our lot.

The gay community, by embracing marriage, has torn asunder the age old reputation of perverts and predators. Essentially many gays want what heterosexuals want – stability and long lasting commitment. Who in their right mind can argue with that?

Now it’s time for gays to embrace something else – decorum, the rules of polite society. A heterosexual who announces “I like women to play with my penis” is considered crude in polite society.

TMI – Too Much Information!!!

It’s time the same discretion extended to gays. You don’t want to hide your preference or “pass”? Here are some ideas:

1. If you’re famous, mention your partner in interviews.
2. Show up in public with your partner at events.
3. Get married and make sure to get your wedding announcement in the papers.

These and other methods are how heterosexuals make their preference clear. No reason why these same natural, polite methods can’t apply to gays.

Cook’s announcement struck me as superfluous and gratuitous. Tim, come to my home for dinner with your partner and I’ll figure out you’re gay. Otherwise I just want you to get iOS 8 to work on my iPhone 4S.

Coming out has become silly. The coming out party is over.

You just be you. I’m ok with that.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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767 thoughts on “Time For the Coming Out Party to be Over

  1. I think that it’s the courts, not state citizens or legislatures that have gone off the rails here, by promulgating an “equal protection” argument that is specious and carries no logical or coherent connection to other landmark marriage cases.

    I think that the Prop 8 case was a travesty, that Judge Walker deliberately avoided revealing his conflict of interest which clearly affected his hearing of the matter, in which he had to be dialed back by the Ninth Circus…when the Ninth Freaking Circus has to get you back on the reservation, you’re clearly out of control.

    I think Kennedy’s decision in the DOMA case included clear judicial overreach which completely disregarded the Legislative Branch’s prerogative and went completely over the top in the dubious assertion that any law HAD to be rooted in nothing but an evil, invidious discrimination, without any legitimate purpose. Scalia was correct to call him out for it, and Kennedy owes his brethren, Congress, and an assload of American citizens an apology.

    I think that we have further divorced logic from the process when we decided that people who provide artistic services should be compelled to provide services and participate in events that may be in complete contravention of beliefs that are unquestionably protected by the First and the Ninth Amendment, and by judicial dictat, we have created a conflict between a license given by courts and rights guaranteed to men (and women). I think that when we not only set up this repugnant conflict, we also did further violence to the First and the Ninth Amendments when we added mandatory “Sensitivity” training for these “offenders”, and that this rash of abberant law has given the green light to state judges and courts to further usurp the authority of citizens and legislatures.

    It isn’t the people who are off the rails here. It’s the courts…and frankly, they don’t really have the credibility to burn.

  2. I agree with you both. The people coming out have stayed too long at the party. The party is over, and nobody cares. They are no longer special.

  3. That’s a different issue rabbit. In my opinion, being gay is not worth much fuss. Ruining rest stops or parks is bad manners and selfishness. It is a form of theft.

  4. I knew this post might invite some homophobia. Not sure if it was worth the risk.

    I think in the 21st century the whole parks and rest stops thing is verging in urban legend.

    As for libraries … huh?

  5. Speaking of which, man walks into a library and announces “I want a cheeseburger, fries and a coke”. Librarian scolds him “sir this is a library”. Man apologetically whispers “oh I’m sorry. I want a cheeseburger, fries and a coke.”

  6. Dull as a Rutherford Lawson radio blog. This post is a nothing burger…empty and void.

    YAWN. There’s a million things we could talk about and you choose something that frankly is not on anybody’s radar and one that just bores the shit out of the public. Might as well talk about The View. Aren’t you going to make some excuse for the entire Democratic Party treating your failed savior like a pariah?

    Remember when you were bowing and wetting your pants over this charlatan, rube? 😈 Oh, it seems like only yesterday when you were bragging about the days of Republicans were over with. LOL.

    Bubble Head, because the bobble head won’t stand up.

  7. Tim Cook coming out made the news. Sorry if it bores you pal. Like I told you on the last thread — get off the net until your party has their big day on Tuesday. Maybe that will put you in a better mood. Right now you’re just a vicious rabid dog. Not the least bit appealing.

  8. Rabbit, from the last thread, I think you’re right. The bold lines appear below my comments and not below anyone else’s. I guess it is WP’s way of noting that I am replying to the comments that have appeared above mine up to that point.

  9. There’s a million things we could talk about and you choose something that frankly is not on anybody’s radar

    Oh and as I’ve said before Tex — you got a topic? Write a post. Otherwise either comment on mine in an intelligent way or change the subject or even better STFU.

  10. Homosexuality, while a minority condition has little shock value now. Transgender occupies the position homosexuality occupied a generation ago. Now, it is becoming less shocking as more people come forward and lawmakers pass laws to protect them.

    What about intersex? Those people are really exotic. Rumors circulate that Jamie Lee Curtis is an intersex person. The condition is multifacited. Unlike the more numerous conditions, this group of people is usually not physically normal.

    For example, Cimerelli is six home schooled sisters from Sacramento. They are One Direction fans and they made a YouTube cover of one of their songs. Their parents have trained them to be singers, and the video was so good it made them international You Tube stars. They were nominated three times and won once a Teen Choice award. Our sixteen month old grand daughter loves the two videos I show her.

    One of the girls is an intersex person. She has x0 chromosomes. People with this condition need growth hormones to achieve a still short height which is more normal. They have emotional problems, and are subject to any condition such as arthritis which is in the chromosome. With only one, they don’t have the protection afforded by two chromosomes. They are infertile, and have a shorter life span than they should,.

    The Cimerelli girl with this condition said if the music thing doesn’t work out, she wants to be a kindergarten teacher so that at least then, she would be taller than someone.

  11. James intersex is our new hip phrase for hermaphroditism. It is indeed a biological condition unlike homosexuality and bisexuality which are behavioral but theorized to be predisposed at a very early age. Transgender people feel they were born with the wrong sex assignment “man in woman’s body” but they are not hermaphrodites in that they are biologically unambiguous at birth.

    As I alluded to on the essay, I think the reduced shock value is due to so many gays embracing traditional lifestyles. I think there has been a small culture change where it’s not in your face anymore.

    Yes there is still flamboyance but I think the culture has evolved.

  12. BiC I won’t touch your legal analysis. I’m not qualified so I’ll leave that to you and Tigre.
    But I did want to hit this:

    I think that we have further divorced logic from the process when we decided that people who provide artistic services should be compelled to provide services and participate in events that may be in complete contravention of beliefs that are unquestionably protected …

    I have mixed feelings about this. We cannot have pizzerias and clothing stores and hardware stores refusing to serve gay couples. A baker making a wedding cake or a wedding photographer is in a gray area for me. I believe that since these “people of conscience” are in the minority, discriminated couples can easily find alternative accommodations.
    BUT if I apply this litmus test to merchants who refuse to cater to interracial couples we’ve got a big problem.
    Every red blooded capitalist knows that conscience has nothing to do with commerce. So long as the money is green you do the transaction, assuming the transaction is legal.

  13. Yes there is still flamboyance but I think the culture has evolved.

    All evolution isn’t necessarily good. If by evolve you mean more main stream acceptability, then I feel that isn’t necessarily a healthy indicator for the whole of society. Tolerance is one thing – acceptance is another. When alternate family models are validated they serve to weaken the very foundation of the culture and of humanity as a whole. Though I do not condone unfair treatment of those that practice alternate lifestyles that are non traditional, I do not agree with giving them equal standing or merit.

    Homosexuality may be considered normal, in that it does have representation within many life forms, but that doesn’t mean we should embrace it as charming or good. I think the rise of acceptance and popularity in society is indicative of a decaying culture. History repeats and cultures generally die out when they abandon their core moral values. Should we still love and respect these people? Absolutely! But don’t let them infect the whole!

    If one charts the progression of promoting alternate lifestyles through US history, one can see the intent and purpose has been/is to weaken the traditional family and our society’s moral core. The campaign has been long and successful. Accepting homosexual lifestyles as normal will generally crack open a door that leads to the accepting of paedophilia as normal.

    True, coming out does not have the shock value it did in years past. That isn’t necessarily a good thing, however. It just means we have become accustomed to it. Regardless, it should be treated like alcoholism. That probably won’t win me many brownie points, but there you have it.

  14. I have mixed feelings about this. We cannot have pizzerias and clothing stores and hardware stores refusing to serve gay couples. A baker making a wedding cake or a wedding photographer is in a gray area for me. I believe that since these “people of conscience” are in the minority, discriminated couples can easily find alternative accommodations.

    One of these things is not like the other…

    Seriously, R. A pizza is a fungible item. I expect that if I go into a Pizza Hut or Little Caesar’s or a Papa John’s and I order a cheese pizza, its going to be exactly the same as the one I get in any other one of their stores. And when it’s a mom and pop shop, I expect that the cheese pie I order is going to be substantially the same as the ones that Bobby Robert and Billy William order.

    But when I go to hire a wedding photographer, or cake maker, I do so because I don’t want it to be like everyone else’s…I expect those people to use their talents to create something that is not only aesthetically pleasing but entirely unique. That’s the point. And no one who is in their right mind would think that the finished product is going to be anything like that if we FORCE the person to participate, when they are opposed on the most basic level, and those bringing the actions don’t think so either, which is why this is all about waging lawfare against people who do not think or believe in the approved manner.

    BUT if I apply this litmus test to merchants who refuse to cater to interracial couples we’ve got a big problem.

    Again, you are not making like comparisons, only sloppy ones. Race is undeniably an objective and immutable condition. We cannot say the same for homosexuality, which is why the current jurisprudence is so unabashedly wrong, and why the comparisons to Loving v. Virginia miss the mark by a mile.

    Every red blooded capitalist knows that conscience has nothing to do with commerce. So long as the money is green you do the transaction, assuming the transaction is legal.

    “For-Profit” changes nothing, and in this context fails to comprehend that a personal service…the creation of something with a unique and pleasing artistic component…is the true essence of the transaction. It’s why they aren’t going to Safeway to buy the cake, or hiring the guy at Walgreens who takes the passport photos to take pictures of the “wedding”, or going to Costco to get the flowers.

  15. BiC your answer further complicates things as I suggested gay couples can find an alternative merchant. Now, according to you, the merchant of first choice has a unique product which CANNOT be supplied by an alternative. This makes it MORE necessary that the merchant serve the gay couple, not less. If this provider of unique service refuses, the gay couple is completely SOL. That ain’t so cool.

  16. Poolman, if heteros spent as much time taking care of their own marriages as they do fretting over gays we might not have a 50% failure rate. “Traditional” marriage is hardly a healthy institution and gays have no blame there.

    It will be interesting when we have 10 years of data to collect to compare the longevity of gay marriages to straight ones.

  17. BiC your answer further complicates things as I suggested gay couples can find an alternative merchant. Now, according to you, the merchant of first choice has a unique product which CANNOT be supplied by an alternative. This makes it MORE necessary that the merchant serve the gay couple, not less. If this provider of unique service refuses, the gay couple is completely SOL. That ain’t so cool.

    It does nothing of the sort.

    We have a long legal tradition which recognizes that art cannot be compelled. Employing simple logic should tell you this, but we have reached the point where logic is anathema.

    However, let’s simply use other real life examples.

    Do you get to hire the architect of your choice, simply because you want to? No.

    Do you get to hire the actor or entertainer of your choice, simply because you want to? No.

    Do you get to hire the craftsman of your choice, simply because you want to? No.

    It’s also why artistic services are not subject to rulings requiring specific performance if the service provider can’t or won’t perform when they have already entered into contracts, and will instead be facing a money judgment.

    But seriously, R. Do you want someone who doesn’t want to participate in your special day making your cake, taking your pictures, or arranging your flowers? Why would you expect a good result? It’s like insulting your barber before he cuts your hair.

  18. Traditional marriage is the healthiest institution we got. Everyone loves citing the failure rate but ignores the reality of the other options.

    There is even data that suggest the bigger the wedding the higher the chance of the coulple staying together (obviously the reasons for this could be other factors that play a part in those who have big weddings in the first place.).

    Nobody shoukd be forced to make a unique contract with someone they don’t want to. Period.

    Should a black entertainer be forced to sing at a Klan wedding?

  19. It will be interesting when we have 10 years of data to collect to compare the longevity of gay marriages to straight ones.

    We already have the data. I know marriage fails are the norm today, and especially high among gay couples. That isn’t a reason to blame the individual when my point is that the movers and shapers of our society have been intentionally producing this salivation in their pet populations.

    Do give credit where credit is due! I say the teevee, hollywood, print media, government bureaucracies (including state indoctrination facilities) in marriage with capitalism über alles, have been the real disseminators of moral decay. I further say it is due to a gradual takeover by self-serving sociopaths and psychopaths padding their own bed and pandering to their own sick passions while thumbing their noses at eternity and the Eternal. It follows the communist agenda set to breakdown our society, one that was set in motion and has almost entirely played itself out.

  20. Why should your comfort level or personal interest deny a gay person the experience of coming out and accepting one’s sexual orientation, Rutherford?

    By the same token, the gay community should stop bullying people to come out.

    No one should be forced to participate. Of course that’s the natural result of demanding ownership over the word marriage. Just like some folks said would happen.

  21. “I knew this post might invite some homophobia. Not sure if it was worth the risk.”

    Most gays I know would find your original article homophobic. Labelers gotta label.

  22. “if heteros spent as much time taking care of their own marriages as they do fretting over gays we might not have a 50% failure rate. “Traditional” marriage is hardly a healthy institution and gays have no blame there.”

    This is lame.

    “the endgame isn’t tolerance. It isn’t even acceptance, because that won’t be enough. It is participation. That’s why it is imperative for them to engage in their punitive legal actions.”

    Right.

    “Should a black entertainer be forced to sing at a Klan wedding?”

    Excellent.

  23. This is lame, right, excellent. Another example of Muffy’s keen analytical skills. I’m gonna start posting my ideas under other folks names and watch Muffy agree with them. It doesn’t really matter what I write. Muffy comes prepared to disagree.

    Muffy … marriage success rate at about 50%. So what’s lame? The institution is limping along and hardly deserves to be an exclusive club. Just about anyone joining the club would improve it. It can’t get much worse.

    I’ll address BiC’s “participate” comment later since on its face it makes no sense so who the hell knows where your ra-ra “right” comes from.

    But I will give you this. Rabbits comment was excellent although slightly flawed.

  24. I’ll address BiC’s “participate” comment later since on its face it makes no sense so who the hell knows where your ra-ra “right” comes from.

    it makes perfect sense, as it is the progression which has taken place.

    “We want the same legal rights that straights have!”

    “Civil Unions/Registered Domestic Partnerships will do that.”

    “Yay!”

    Two years later:

    “CUs/RDPs aren’t good enough. We DEMAND that you redefine a specific legal term to include a definition of what it isn’t!”


    “We just want to be accepted!”

    “Ok, fine ya drama queens. We don’t care what you do in your homes or behind closed doors.”

    time passes

    marching in “pride” parades, frenching each other and prancing around in gold lame’ speedos and feather boas “What? Inappropriate? You are a HATER!”

    “Fine. We’ll “tolerate” this bullshit.”

    time passes

    “Its my special day and you simply MUST employ all your skill and artistic talent in making it even MORE special for me, even if you believe that it is a perversion of a sacrament that you hold dear, and if you don’t, THEN I WILL DO MY BEST TO BRING THE ENTIRE FORCE OF LAW DOWN ON YOU, TO NOT ONLY COMPELL YOUR PARTICIPATION, BUT TO PUNISH YOU FOR HAVING THOUGHTS AND BELIEFS THAT DO NOT COMPORT WITH MINE. BECAUSE “TOLERANCE!”

    Sorry, R, this is an argument you can’t win. Save your ego the bruising.

  25. “the endgame isn’t tolerance. It isn’t even acceptance, because that won’t be enough. It is participation. That’s why it is imperative for them to engage in their punitive legal actions.”

    This at first reads like you think gays want to go ménage a trois and include you in the mix. So I must take a logical leap to interpret “participate”.

    BiC there is this thing known as SOCIETY. It involves such things as paying taxes for things that might not benefit you directly. Men and women not interested in being an island unto themselves agree to enter into social contracts.

    Part of gays gaining acceptance does indeed carry the expectation that they will be accepted into society. They will therefore benefit from the social contracts in which we all PARTICIPATE. So yes, it involves participation because SOCIETY involves participation. Your tax dollars will be spent educating kids raised in gay homes. Your money will fill the coffers of merchants who ARE willing to serve gay patrons.

    It’s called living in a society with people. Acceptance means participation in society with the people you are accepting.

    I get the impression over the years of reading your writing that you’re really not a fan of society. You see it as the enemy of self-determination.

  26. I have encountered different results along my journey. I know plenty who went full bore with a wedding ceremony and now they’re no longer coupled, whereas I did a five dollar justice of the peace late morning ‘ceremony’ and it is still holding together 37 plus years.

    Mother life, hold firmly on to me
    Catch my knowledge higher than the day
    Lose as much as only you can show
    Though you’ve seen me, please don’t say a word
    What I don’t know, I have never shared

    Loneliness is a power that we possess to give or take away forever
    All I know can be shown by your acceptance of the facts there shown before you
    Take what I say in a different way and it’s easy to say that this is all confusion
    As I see a new day in me, I can also show it to you and you may follow

  27. “Should a black entertainer be forced to sing at a Klan wedding?”

    When I first read this I was very impressed. There is only one flaw logically. The black man is being forced to perform for an audience that hates him and would in fact like to kill him.

    Gays present no hatred, no threat to heterosexuals. So the artist refusing to perform for them is exercising prejudices completely detached from any personal offense offered by the customer.

    The better notion is BiC’s question of why you would force someone to serve you and then expect the best service. You won’t get it.

    But again this supports the idea that the black man shouldn’t WANT to sit at the lunch counter of a bigot. That logic would have preserved Jim Crow.

  28. Why should your comfort level or personal interest deny a gay person the experience of coming out and accepting one’s sexual orientation, Rutherford?

    It should be noted that Tim Cook was not in the closet. His friends and close colleagues knew he was gay. The coming out was, as I said, superfluous and gratuitous.

    I fully understand the need for folks to be honest about who they are. I even get telling people “I’m gay” if one thinks a particular person has the wrong perception.

    It’s the public announcement that I think has worn out its welcome. To be very direct Muffy, “I suck dick” is TMI in 95% of polite conversation. It’s also irrelevant in 95% of conversations.

  29. Most gays I know would find your original article homophobic.

    Yes I’m afraid you’re right even though I’d like to think the overall message is “just be who you are”.

  30. Maybe you should read Cook’s statement then to get a better understanding of why HE says he came out. (Watch out though – he mentions God. You might turn into a pumpkin or something).

    You didn’t answer my question. You just repeated yourself and added that Cook wasn’t closeted. It was a serious question but my prepared dissonance and cheerleading distracted you from answering it I think.

    PS…Calm down Rutherford. Remember you have thick skin. (Besides I followed Pfester’s “your idea is dumb = good. you are dumb = bad” rule.)

    PPS…Pfester’s gonna be so hurt the next time you rip into him for cheerleading yer precious comments, yo.

  31. “I’m gonna start posting my ideas under other folks names and watch Muffy agree with them.”

    😆 I’m pretty sure I could pass the Pepsi challenge but give it a shot. I rarely agree with you and I don’t have a problem with that.

  32. “Muffy … marriage success rate at about 50%. So what’s lame? The institution is limping along and hardly deserves to be an exclusive club. Just about anyone joining the club would improve it. It can’t get much worse.”

    So what’s lame? Allow me to retort AND to answer your question at the same time. (Watch and learn).

    1) You tying the divorce rate to those people who you mischaracterize in the first place as “fretting” over gays. 2) That you infer those people are the ones getting divorces. 3) That “traditional marriage” is an unhealthy institution.

    Plus 4) what you added about practically anyone joining in matrimony would improve it.

    And 5) that it can’t get much worse.

    It can get much, much worse.

    Hope that helps.

  33. 3) That “traditional marriage” is an unhealthy institution.

    That deserves clarification. I’m not saying its unhealthy by definition. Perhaps it would be better put to say our society is unhealthy and the marriage failure rate is a symptom.

    It could be argued that gay couples who have stayed together for decades in the face of societal scorn may have something to teach heteros about true devotion.

  34. I rarely agree with you and I don’t have a problem with that

    Normally I wouldn’t have too much trouble with that either. I may need a session or two on the couch to figure out why your predictable disagreement disappoints me so.

    The obvious answer is “mommy issues”. 🙂

  35. My answer Pools will be in Muffy’s words, lame, but decade long same sex couples have been front and center on the news throughout this marriage debate.

    I’m pretty sure my college roommate has been with his partner for 20 years. They have two children. And I’m pretty sure a relative of my wife has been with her partner for over 20 years.

  36. Pools while you’re entitled to your belief, your equivalency of alcoholism to homosexuality is wildly offensive and prehistoric in terms of medical science.

    You’re right, but not for the reason you think.

    Alcoholics have a genetic predisposition. Gays can’t make the same claim. In fact, if there was sold proof to the contrary, the argument would have been much, much different, and even been legitimate. (Again, that nagging immutable condition that differentiates “sexual orientation” from race, or gender.)

  37. Gays present no hatred, no threat to heterosexuals. So the artist refusing to perform for them is exercising prejudices completely detached from any personal offense offered by the customer.

    Except that this isn’t true. Hatred was the reason for the complaint against the couple with the wedding chapel in Coeur d’Alene…by a lesbian…who never actually asked to be married there…and was already married.

    And the complaint against the New Mexico photographer….and the California restaurant owner who made a contribution to the pro-Prop 8 campaign, and the owner of Arlene’s flowers.

    Again, R. You don’t FORCE someone to create something for you when they don’t want to, unless you want to “punish” them.

  38. “The black man is being forced to perform for an audience that hates him and would in fact like to kill him.”

    There is a decent dose of hate in the gay community for the evangelical right.

    And…last I checked hating someone and even having a desire to kill someone isn’t against the law.

    Shitty logic.

    You basically said the black guy doesn’t have to sing at the Klan wedding becuase …..well….I’m not sure. Becuase it is super duper yucky to you?

    United Daughters of the Confederacy never killed anyone. I happen to think that a black barber shop quartet should be allowed to politely decline their request to sing amongst the Rebel regalia at the Genral Lee birthday bash. You don’t.

  39. Gotta correct something.

    Tee 2009 stat put by the CDC does not support the much-professed 50% divorce rate. In fact, there were only 3.4 divorces per 1000 people in 2009.
    Because there were 5.3 marriages per 1000 that same year, the dumb assumption is that, because the number of divorces is about half the number of marriages, that the 50 percent divorce rate holds, and that if you marry there’s a 50 percent chance you’ll divorce. That’s wrong because, among other things, it doesn’t take into account how many people were already married or how many were on second, third or fifth divorces.

    Another thing, age at time of marriage makes a big difference. If you eliminate the divorce and marriage stats for those who’ve wed and/or divorced under the age of 25, for example, the number goes down to something like 20%. Also, couples who have kids out of wedlock are more likely to divorce than those who don’t. Education matters too.

    The highest divorce rates are in the poor black communities (closer to 60%).

    Anyway, the 50% figure is an exaggeration.

  40. I get the impression over the years of reading your writing that you’re really not a fan of society. You see it as the enemy of self-determination.

    R, society is a necessary evil. That would be one the major things Thomas Paine was correct about (among a great deal of things he was wrong about).

    What makes society tolerable is law, which dictates not only what is acceptable conduct for the citizens, but also government. And when government does violence to those restrictions by not following the procedures set forth, it does violence to those who must live under it.

    Your idea of society, whether you realize it or not, is a mob. It is 50%+1, and it has no respect for the rights of the individual. It also means that the law ceases to be based on an understandable logic, and it loses its consistency and predictability…a state of affairs that creates uncertainty in human endeavor, and generally stifles ambition and achievement.

    As for the taxes I pay, they are increasingly directed in ways that the Federal government has no authority to tax or spend for, as it continually eschews allocating and spending it on the duties that do fall under its ambit.

  41. And…last I checked hating someone and even having a desire to kill someone isn’t against the law.

    Check harder, Rabbit. The essence of “hate crimes” is that depending on the identity of a victim, a crime is more criminal because of hate that is imputed to the perpetrator.

    But the imputation doesn’t really matter. The perp could be screaming any insult when they are perpetrating…all that matters is wrong thinking will be a sentencing enhancement.

  42. True BIC….hate crime…so weird…..but a simple desire to kill is just a thought, right?

    For now. And as long as you don’t express it in any fashion.

    Remember…we have “responsible” adults who have gotten the vapors from kids playing “Hangman” and eating Pop Tarts into the shape of a gun. If these are treated as a serious “threat” by the guardians of “society”…

  43. Okay Rutherford. I’ll take your challenge. Right here. One proviso. You publish, unedited, no matter the content and no matter how offended you are by the facts on your very own blog.

    You had to go and be an asshole about a generalized statement not even directed at anyone or even offensive that was correct, and you went and made it personal trying to make sport. You do that often now – you must be miffed about something.

    You whine like Pucker and then blame me for busting your balls and sticking it up your puny ass when it was you that was the punk who started it.

    That’s pathetic. You must be projecting again – bummed about an election that hasn’t taken place and reverting back to shattered dreams.

    Obama is a failure. Get over it.

  44. and you went and made it personal

    Tex, if you paid attention to the back and forth between me and Rabbit you would have noticed that he called me out for being “angry” and I replied that I was honestly surprised it came across that way.

    I DID find your initial premise to be ridiculous (I was mistaken) and I used my “tobacco chewing dumbfuck” to be equally ridiculous and have some fun with it. I was mocking you but I really didn’t consider it below the belt. And if you think about your own business background, if the joke was on you personally (which it wasn’t meant to be) you’d be gay, not a tobacco chewing dumbfuck.

    After almost 7 years I still don’t always know what will set you off.

    I’ve been a wise-ass before and I’ve insulted the South before so I didn’t consider this latest comment all that unusual.

    P.S. If you want to know my editing habits you can ask Huck who has published, I think, two guest posts here.

  45. They adopted two children. They had nothing.

    When it comes to providing a loving nurturing home, it’s a distinction without a difference. Yes I do know basic biology.

  46. One proviso. You publish, unedited, no matter the content and no matter how offended you are by the facts on your very own blog.

    Just to be clear I’ll publish anything that shows thought, no matter who it offends. But you know I won’t publish anything that is offensive for the sake of being offensive. I’m not publishing Andrew Dice Clay.

  47. You whine like Pucker and then blame me for busting your balls and sticking it up your puny ass when it was you that was the punk who started it.

    Oh one more thing. I did overreact to your overreaction.

  48. Muffy ok apparently Cook said gayness was one of the greatest gifts God gave him. Stephen Colbert replied that of course God gave him gayness. Cook already had an iPad. 🙂

  49. re: queers. Once again, the knuckle-draggers come out of their particular closet. As a female impersonator, redacted more than anyone should know that a real man can take it up the tradesman’s entrance and not have his masculinity threatened.


    But seriously, R: Cook is ‘way ahead of you and your gay entourage. (gay, as in lighthearted, not gay, as in queer) He’s a businessman – possibly the best on the planet. The continuous din of, “Come out of the closet, Tim!” is a distraction to the business of Apple – making money.

    So he just said, “Fine, I’m gay. Now let’s get back to what we do.”

  50. Oh, by the way. Think carefully when you vote today, Yanks. The USD is down 45% against the Aussie dollar since 2003.

    For the mathematically challenged, it means your government stole your money – again – by printing it by the truckload. The Aussie debt/GDP ratio is about 10% – yours is around 100%. GFL to you.

    Seattle looks good this time of year – think I’ll take myself a little vacation – money goes soooooo much farther in US.

  51. R: “I’m gonna start posting my ideas under other folks names and watch redacted agree with them.”

    Try doing it as Slack. Just be prepared to be embarrassed by the groveling.

  52. Muffy ok apparently Cook said gayness was one of the greatest gifts God gave him.

    Obviously, the euphemism “gayness” or homosexuality is a mental illness. There’s nothing normal or natural about it, and requires no religious affiliation to come to that conclusion. When America was better, we weren’t afraid to say that and neither was our medical profession. We weren’t afraid to differentiate between genders either. It is not hate to simply speak the obvious truth and not accept the immoral as moral.

    Like everything in America, we have become an emotionally immature, shallow society where everything is based on “feelings” and “pleasure” – perhaps the accumulation of things. Been there, done that. It’s empty.

    Just Rome repeating itself at a far more accelerated rate and I’ve concluded there is little I can do about it. Our society has pretty much everything ass backwards and they nation can no longer can differentiate from right or wrong, healthy from unhealthy. As our society is in the midst of breaking down, everything from vulgarity and everything goes, to electing somebody “cool” but unqualified for President, time is about up. The election today will change nothing because it is not our elected officials the only ones sick and depraved. It’s the people who put them there.

    If it weren’t for having my own children, I scarcely would mention this particular illness unless it was to taunt men like Pucker, The Drunk and hasbeen. But with my own children, I will continue to refuse to normalize the abnormal. If that means I’m scorned by the cool crowd, so what? I don’t require your company, your approval, nor your friendship – in fact, don’t seek it nor want it. I’m perfectly happy in my own circle of friends, living my own life as I see fit. You take care of yours and I’ll take care of mine. Just don’t force your fascism on me and there will be no problems.

    Understand, as these I speak of have no use for me, I have no use for them either and truly feel that way. There’s half the people in this shared birthright, a farce actually and simply random chance, that I don’t care about as long as we don’t have to cross paths.

    Hate? No. It’s actualization. It’s the realization this nation has crossed the Rubicon. What will come, had to.

  53. I’m conflicted. I believe a person who has created a business and sells a service has the right to accept or refuse to sell to a customer if that customer violates the business owner’s religious and moral beliefs.

    However, refusing service to someone because of a personal trait is considered wrong because that person’s money is as good as anyone else’s, and to do so is discrimination of the sort which flourished in the Jim Crow era.

    I’d rather not see another law. We have too many already.

    The western Roman Empire did not disintegrate in one stage. Enclaves maintained the civilization for generations. The King Arthur legends may describe a holding action against the barbarians.

    Most of the barbarians were not any more savage than the civilized Romans, That may not be true today.

    In any event, I suspect if the worst happens, enclaves like our Heartland, Texas and Oklahoma will survive awhile.

  54. Where do intersex people fit into this national evolution of acceptance? Some of them violate our dual concept of gender because they are physically anomalious. Some are neither gay nor transgendered. I read that maybe 50 people in the world could theoretically impregnate themselves, Telling such a person to get fked gives a new meaning to the insult.

  55. Seattle looks good this time of year – think I’ll take myself a little vacation – money goes soooooo much farther in US.

    I’ll alert the folks I know in the TSA.

    On the other hand, it would just be one more voice in a choir of dischordant notes. Make sure you lay in a good supply of munchies before partaking of the recreational pot.

  56. Official Tigre Entrance Poll:

    District: Communist China in lovely Downtown Atlanta. 8:30 a.m.

    Voter check in 15 minute wait.

    26 in line.

    8 blacks in overwhelmingly black district.

    The rest were all Caucasian.

    10 were obvious hipsters or angry lesbian types.

    8 mommies/men with non-trendy shoes with laces.

    Last Presidential Race: 90-95% black/hipster at polling facility.

    2014 Midterm Prediction based on Tigre’s reliable polling sample?

    David Perdue takes it with more than 50% (no runoff).

  57. ” Oh, by the way. Think carefully when you vote today, Yanks.”

    Great advice. “Think carefully.” Got it.

    Just about as useful than your last admonition –

    ”Now, thanks to your zealot one-issue Boys in Texas, Wendy Whatchamacallit is a folk hero. Come next election,the Left will hoist her up on their shoulders as the little-girl conquerer who faced down those mean old white men bent on putting their nasty hands down women’s pants and taking away their hard-fought freedoms. All it takes to foresee that, too, is pulling off the blinders. Stay tuned; you’ll see what happens.”
    PFesser , June 27, 2013 at 7:54 am

  58. Interesting, Tigre. In my precinct, it’s generally lily white, little wait, and for some reason few if any of the minorities show up ever. I’m guessing it’s because Oklahoma so red and the only real issue is state school superintendent and my Klan hood I wear at the polling place. (That’s a joke, Rutherford)

    I’ve got a real dilemma, though. It’s my city councilwo(man). Two women. The one (registered Republican) is frankly useless and doesn’t return my call if I need something – like a problem I was having with trash pickup about the new service. I had to rip some new assholes myself down at City Hall – a hassle I don’t need, though whatever I did, they corrected immediately. 😈 I’ve heard her interviewed and she sounds like a useless, clueless moron.

    On the other hand, we’ve got Ms. America – Democratic activist around town and lackey to failed mayoral candidate that used millions of her own money to lose the election. Does my heart good.

    However, I am confident Ms. America does do the bidding of her constituency as she’s a panderer, and she’s not a moron. But she’s one of these hustlers for failed public education and an Obama sycophant. That weighs heavily against her. 😛

    Seven years ago, I would have voted for Ms. America and not thought much more about it – all elections are local, or something.

    But Rutherford, Obama, the Left, and Black America’ s hate of White America and excuses for failure have changed me to a great degree.

    I like to vote to spite them, their party, their philosophy, their grievances, anything that causes them consternation, even if in this case, it probably works against my own interests should the need ever arise.

    Obama wanted to divide. Speaking only for myself, he accomplished that much.

  59. ”Now, thanks to your zealot one-issue Boys in Texas, Wendy Whatchamacallit is a folk hero. Come next election,the Left will hoist her up on their shoulders as the little-girl conquerer who faced down those mean old white men bent on putting their nasty hands down women’s pants and taking away their hard-fought freedoms. All it takes to foresee that, too, is pulling off the blinders. Stay tuned; you’ll see what happens.”
    PFesser , June 27, 2013 at 7:54 am

    ** GUFFAW ** Great catch, Muffy!

    Hey, PUCKER? Nice call, concerning Abortion Barbie. Right on, GIANT!

  60. Muffy ok apparently Cook said gayness was one of the greatest gifts God gave him. Stephen Colbert replied that of course God gave him gayness. Cook already had an iPad.

    Did you read the statement or are you just sharing some second hand comedic “genius?” Cook is very clear on why he came out. (I meant only to warn you not to go apeshit over his reference to God like you did the doctor on teevee who survived ebola.)

    Or don’t read the man’s own words and stick with your own precious insights. It don’t make no nevermind. The only reply I’m interested in is an answer to my question.

    I give your essay a D, sonny.

    ” So he just said, “Fine, I’m gay. Now let’s get back to what we do.”

    Not quite, pops. Just about as good a call as Seattle in November. Do you ever know what you’re talking about? Ever?

  61. Wendy Davis’ concession speech leaked early. Excerpt –

    “I am proud of the fact that we ran a positive, issues-oriented campaign, and avoided the very obvious temptation to repeatedly make fun of the fact that my opponent literally can’t walk. I reject the contention raised by literally everyone in the media of all political stripes that many of my ads, speeches, and tweets indicated at least a subconscious bias against handicapped people. I am glad we were able to put that to rest when I dragged those crippled people out on stage with me to prove that some of my best friends are gimps. I am also disappointed that the people of Texas saw fit to elect a man who is opposed to interracial marriage, presumably even his own.”

  62. Congratulations Obama toe suckers! Things are looking up! Yes We Can! Take a good look at the graph and think back long and hard when you were bowing to the altar of ‘The One”s greatness in front of Styrofoam Greek columns, dupes. You were the generation to slow the rising tide! Hope & Change…

    Pravda on the Potomac unbiased enough for you, “R”?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/03/six-years-later-its-obama-who-voters-hope-will-change/

  63. You know, Muffy, I wanted to laugh until I realize that excerpt might very well be factual from Wicked Wendy. I’d expect nothing less from Pucker either. Whips, swing chairs, and paddling stuff up on stage.

  64. Tex I still don’t know for sure that Wendy playing the dildo card toward the end there wasn’t parody.

    (Or maybe she did get some advice from Pucker.)

  65. Regarding the Official Tigre Entrance Poll, I wish we could get these reports from all of you. We’ve got a pretty geographically diverse crowd here.

    I’m watching tonight’s results with zero expectations. So many tight races. If Purdue wins Dems are really screwed because most pundits say Nunn ran a really good campaign.

    For some reason I’m much more excited about this midterm than 2010.

  66. No wait but still brisk turnout which is pretty good for a midterm here. Gov. and ballot questions the big draw,state and county offices benefiting from that.
    It being MA the few (R)’s on ballot are sacrificial except for the Gubernatorial candidate Baker who most folks agree will be the next Governor of the Commonwealth

  67. Now, thanks to your zealot one-issue Boys in Texas, Wendy Whatchamacallit is a folk hero. Come next election,the Left will hoist her up on their shoulders as the little-girl conquerer

    Muffy this is an odd quote for you to mock. PF was actually prescient. If it weren’t for TX aggressive anti-abortion stance Wendy would have remained a nobody.

    I’m expecting her to lose today and that does not bother me one bit.

  68. I like to vote to spite them, their party, their philosophy, their grievances, anything that causes them consternation, even if in this case, it probably works against my own interests should the need ever arise.

    The sequel to “What’s the Matter with Kansas” – “What’s the Matter with Tex”.

  69. My wife and I voted early at the court house on Saturday. She said 1,500 people had voted to date. Last year, 1700 voters had visited the recorder’s office.
    I had read a news article that Democrats enjoyed some success at getting blacks and young women to the polls. The number of such voters who had not voted last time was greater than expected.

    I don’t know if our county was an anomoly or if it is because no black people live here.

  70. Since Obama is already the butt of global jokes, I could pretty much care less about this vote after 2012, except SCOTUS and the fact I think Harry Reid is not only bad for America, but bad for the world. Little else will change, as government the problem along with the mass of stupid sheep who bleat to government to solve problems, mostly Dim. You want a start? Trim have the federal government in one fell swoop, completely eliminate many of the agencies. Quit looking at failure as your path to success.

    For most purposes, government is your enemy.

    Nothing is the matter with Tex, Rutherford. You are a constant reminder of why I neither trust your type, like your type, respect your type, or care for or about your type. You’ve completely convinced me by adding to the tally. Last weekend was the final nail.

    You’re a petty, small minded, and an asshole and punk. Like Obama. 🙂

  71. Poor Tex — a man without a party. Even if the GOP is victorious tonight as expected he will still be hopeless.

    The very definition of petty is taking a bad JOKE too much to heart and nursing your wound for days on end.

  72. I didnt see one female voting. All dudes who were wearing shitty wrinkled work khakies. In other words middle class working stiffs.

  73. I’m not without a party. I voted as a lot of blood has been shed for my luxury of doing it. And I’m certainly not hopeless. That’s reserved for you and Pucker. 🙂 You’re just too myopic to know it yet. I just think you, Lena ‘The Molester’ Dunham and Ferguson, MO, best represent your party. Throw in your plantation masters and feckless academia, and voila! The Dimocratic Party. How’s that 90lbs cotton sack Obama threw you goons wearing today?

    Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, I voted with the walkers. Not the tennis shoe kind – the slumped over kind. The Obama loathing kind. All white. My kind of people. 😈

  74. Shame that all your votes were nullified by Graychin. LOL

    A shame Graychin is as relevant in Oklahoma as you are to pro football. I understand there’s quite a bit of angst in the ‘superior intellect’ Obama cabinet at the moment – not about this vote. The fact nobody is paying attention to your messiah – in fact, your messiah is a pariah. 🙂 That’s what happens to a malignant, pampered narcissist raised by radicals when reality sits in of just how incompetent he really is. If you had any sense, you’d simply admit what a fool you were for cackling about an even larger fool. Mediocre, my ass. He’s a disaster with nothing but a massive ground game of dependent, misfit toys.

    Let me tell you how relevant Graychin is Oklahoma. Oklahoma has 77 counties. Twice, Obama was nominated for President. The final Oklahoma county tally?

    Obama’s opponents 154
    Barack ‘Hussein’ Obama Zilch

    That’s witty. About as relevant as Graychin calling me a racist after declaring there are exactly zero black faces in Gray’s entire zip code.

  75. Why should your comfort level or personal interest deny a gay person the experience of coming out and accepting one’s sexual orientation, Rutherford?

    Was this the question I supposedly didn’t answer Muffy?

    I thought I did but you labeled it regurgitation. If BiC’s comfort level and personal interest can deny gays the right to marry (a very oppressive position) why can’t I offer them advice that will actually make their assimilation into polite society more viable?

    It might help to know that I don’t believe in gay pride, black pride, Italian pride. Nothing to be proud about. Pure accidents of birth devoid of accomplishment. Nor should shame be attached to these either.

  76. If BiC’s comfort level and personal interest can deny gays the right to marry (a very oppressive position) why can’t I offer them advice that will actually make their assimilation into polite society more viable?

    thumps Rutherford on the front of his noggin

    If that’s what you got from that, we REALLY need to work on your reading comprehension.

    What I said is that if we are going to give them license to marry, then it should be done the correct way, by means of the voters, and NOT by means of Courts, who are blatantly making this shit up as they go along. I’m not comfortable with law by Judicial Decree, and if you had any sense you shouldn’t be either.

  77. Pure accidents of birth devoid of accomplishment.

    Lady Gaga’s nonsensical stylings aside, there is no objective proof that gays are “born that way”, unlike race, gender, or nationality….damn old immutable conditions anyway…always bringing logic to the most faaaaaaaabbbbbulous parties.

  78. There is no objective proof that gays are “born that way”, unlike race, gender, or nationality.

    We know they aren’t born that way as thousands of identical twin examples prove, one gay and one straight.

    That issue is virtually dead.

  79. Sadly I was rooting for Mitch on this one and I got it right. Grimes was liar and hypocrite. Justice prevails.

    LOL. What a fraud. You would have lost yourself had McConnell gone down. You’re still fully vested in the failure of Hope & Change, even if the women dissed your messiah by not admitting she voted for this sham. Anybody with sense would be ashamed to have voted for this clod.

  80. It makes no sense that given their historic place in most societies that anyone would FREELY choose to be gay. It must run deeper than that. It is not a flippant behavioral choice.

  81. My 5 year old just asked me a string of questions about deer mating that left me cornered. Basically he asked me how animals mate and was’t buying my ambiguous responses. I told him ultimately the buck sticks his penis in the doe. He accepted the answer and changed the subject. Hope that was the right thing to do. Seemed fine.

  82. “But I believe anecdotal data shows gender preference develops at a very early age. I don’t think any sane person believes gays are BIOLOGICALLY born that way.”

    You believe homosexuality is a choice? At what point in your life did you decide between being heterosexual or homosexual?

  83. JAL you need to read my other comments. I never said gays CHOOSE to be gay. I’m just saying I don’t believe there is a genetic component. How the preference develops I am too dumb to know but I’m quite sure it is not free choice.

  84. So BiC am I to understand you favor gay marriage but simply have a bone to pick with judicial vs legislative action?

    Of course not. But I live in one of the few states that actually voted for it.

    The fact that the “pro” side lied their asses off in the election notwithstanding, it was done the correct way here.

  85. You believe homosexuality is a choice? At what point in your life did you decide between being heterosexual or homosexual?

    I’m pretty sure that aside from voting for Democrats, while believing they’re the party of “freedom”, mental conditions aren’t chosen.

  86. You want to talk about phonies, Rutherford? Scumbag and greaser Charlie Crist. Now there is somebody you should have been rooting against if you’re truly sick of phonies. I understand that grease line lost.

    If Republicans are smart, they’ll start governing for lopping the federal government – and learn something from the Republican governors on how to manage things.

  87. Oh, and Rutherford? You know that greasy, mendacious scumbag Graychin and his nullifying my vote? His nullification gained him about 29% of the vote here in Oklahoma tonight. Damn near 3-1. 😈 I guess Greasey Gray will need to pull a Massachusetts Kennedy and start digging up dead bodies, because he’s going to have to nullify my wife and kid’s vote too.

    Put that next to your skid marked skivvies.

    Buwahahahhahahahahha

  88. Rutherford,

    They’re shittin’ their drawers on MSNBC. 😛 I do hope you’re watching these Moonbats. They’re vacillating between shock, tears, and rage. Rachel is making every excuse she can make while snarking. LOL Good Grief. How can you stand to watch this. ROFL

    Nothing is more fun that watching you loons squirm and lose your religion.

  89. No wonder nobody watches this crap. It’s like a dysfunctional fraternity with a dike or two thrown in for good measure.

    Truly Caligula like. LOL Why are they so upset over the Illinois governor’s race? Is there some great significance?

  90. It’s a bad night when Mitch McConnell’s victory speech is ten times more gracious than Grimes’ concession speech which wasn’t even a concession.

    Just saw Nunn’s concession speech – no congrats to victor. WTF? Have we lost all decorum?

  91. OMFG I’m watching Joni Ernst give her victory speech and that laugh is irritating as hell!! She literally laughs “huhuhuhu”. Hopefully she’ll take her new job seriously enough that she stops laughing.

  92. That’s Hagan. 🙂 Maybe this is why your party of misfits lost Colorado. Listen to this dumbass, former Senator Uterus. HA HA HA! I actually like his introduction better – it’s more truthful.

  93. Hey Pucker! That’s was a hell of a call on Texas, Numb Nutz. Abortion Barbie didn’t even win the women vote, much less win.

    Way to go, Pucker! The story of your life. 😉

  94. Obama isn’t going to work with Congress. He’s going to lash out, pander and divide. I’ve told you this megalomaniac has enemy lists – he’ll punish America for his rejection – probably encourage more Ferguson, MO, episodes.

    Have no fear, Rutherford. Nobody pull defeat from the jaws of victory like the Republican establishment. They’ll probably put Obama on trial in January, or something, when they ought to be shoving things like the Keystone Pipeline down his puny throat.

  95. Can you read? Barbie raising to prominence is like John Wayne Gacy rising to prominence. If infamy is what you seek, power to you, rube.

    I know math isn’t your thing, but try this. Brownback showed a deficit of $20MM. Now divide that by $100 billion and remember the word fraction.

  96. “Obama isn’t going to work with Congress. He’s going to lash out, pander and divide. I’ve told you this megalomaniac has enemy lists – he’ll punish America for his rejection – probably encourage more Ferguson, MO, episodes.”

    Yep. That’s exactly what will happen.

    R’s MSNBC will get a boost. The libs will need their outlet to whine and sneer and play victim.

  97. “I’m not sure PF predicted a Davis win, just that she would rise to prominence which she did.”

    Oh, come on R. She’s a damn laughing stock and poster child for liberal failure. A boost to conservatives. . . and dominionsists worldwide. An SNL skit that writes itself. Good Gawd. That ain’t the prominence Pfuckhead was talking about.

  98. I just visited the other site for the first time since January. It has become a decaying old mansion with the smell of abandoned heirlooms in the basement.

  99. I left links to two songs without comment. Here is my celebratory song. It is supposed to convey optimism, but I have to take the Lativians’ word for it.

  100. The people I voted against got elected anyway. This state is politically predictable. Well, now everyone can shut up and get to work. Right?
    Right?? 😐 🙂 😀 😆 :mrgreen:

  101. It has become a decaying old mansion with the smell of abandoned heirlooms in the basement.

    😆 😆

    Yeah, I found that last night. Real disappointment. I was personally hoping to “engage” the hags and harpies on their home turf and personally put my pink steel toed boot up their nasty collective arse. It’s the first time in a long time I actually felt like engaging and fired up for some reason. Probably because I disdain Harry Reid and that Abortion Witch in Texas.

    Obama is a pariah. His fate will end ugly. Good riddance. Old News. Irrelevant.

    On a funnier note, I was reading my hometown, Leftist, failing, Uncle Warren Buffett rag this morning who can’t figure out why their Lib paper is faltering 🙄 to see the Oklahoma results – a sure thing if there ever was.

    And I had forgotten about my own District #1 in OK.

    Score:

    Jim Bridenstine (R) ❓
    No Democratic Candidate

    My Congressman didn’t even have a Dimocratic opponent. ** GUFFAW ** I still can’t figure out why the billionaire Leftists in this town like George Kaiser (Solyndra) live here. I’m not kidding when I tell you Barack Obama and Harry Reid might as well be members of ISIS around the suburbs of Tulsa.

  102. Interesting bit of shit from Coakley the failed MA Gov D candidate. In her concession speech pointing out the female dems the voters ponied up she talked about how democrats are so inclusive. She specifically spoke to fighting DOMA. Ironically MA GOP had Tissi running for Congress 6th district. Real quality candidate who happens to be gay. The democrats really piss me off with how shallow and stupid they think citizens are

  103. Got my flu shot today and my shoulder hurts like a motherfucker. I hate getting old.

    Why didn’t your drop your drawers? Don’t they still manufacture the inhalant kind too? I refuse to take a tetanus shot in the arm anymore. One time, my damn arm became inflamed and I couldn’t raise my right arm for about three days. Try working on a assembly line manufacturing heat exchangers with one arm. Those blue collar types (who also hate Obama and Hillary) rode my ass for an entire week about “pussy” college boy. 🙂 Those guys were a heck of a lot more fun than an office.

    As to my incumbent Congressman running unopposed, I actually considered it a wise move for Dims – one of the few. A waste of money. They’ve thrown their very best trial lawyers backed by the richest of the rich at this town and all have gone down in flames. You don’t sell around here, Rutherford. Just as I wouldn’t sell in South Chicago.

  104. Alfie,

    The democrats really piss me off with how shallow and stupid they think citizens are

    I was reading an interesting article this morning about how the races were conceived two years ago. This time, it read like the Republicans actually got their act together.

    But what I found interesting in the article is the established Democrat strategy. They depend on firing up the illiterate, the unemployed/underemployed, Hispanic, Black, young college type, and single college educated women. No surprise there. Remember that next time some of these Dims tell you they’re the party of ‘intellect.’

    However, the thought occurred to me. Do these David Axelrod types ever give consideration (minus the college educated women) that there may come a day when these poor/disenfranchised folks figure out the Democrats have helped in no large part put them in that position? I thought I saw a few chinks in the armor this last election about people starting to understand they’re being used as fodder.

  105. Rutherford she won a full field primary as opposed to Liz Warren who was anointed she is yet to deal with a primary race. There’s another dirty bit about our democracy.

  106. Tex you’d hope so. Don’t like Obama but how his own treated him up to asking him to go on black radio to speak to blacks. WTF was that?

    I’m won over to the 51% election win thing,anyone have an opinion on that?

  107. This is actually a good article, though Rutherford won’t accept the reality and will be miffed over the insults – he’s pure. LOL. The real battle for America has yet to be fought. These next two years will establish its outcome.

    But this excerpt left my laughing. And it begs the question for Rutherford. Rutherford? Are you embarrassed by these folks? These are not your typical hack politicians. These are the leaders of your party. I defy you to find me two current Republicans that are like Reid and Pelosi.

    And voters also rejected the loony-toon delusions of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi. Honestly, the woman should be running a hat and wig shop in Haight-Ashbury, selling weed and prescription pills on the side. How it is that Democrats in Congress have taken her so seriously for so long will baffle historians for decades.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/5/hurt-america-faces-most-dangerous-two-years-150-ye/

  108. I will say this, Rutherford, without the flippancy or cynicism.

    The Republican Party I grew up with under Reagan? It’s not the party today. I often hold my nose. Last night, time after time, I heard Republicans going on about ‘finding solutions’, job creating policies, yada yada yada. That’s Democratic light speak.

    Disappointing. The fact of the matter is, the Reagan mantra that government is the problem seems to be lost on too many Republicans too.

    And until both Republicans and those that vote lockstep with your party learn this, I don’t believe much will appreciably change in our country. I would like to have heard things like “smaller government”, “less intrusion”, respect of privacy, simplify the tax code, nullify much of regulation – not buzzwords like flat taxes or balanced budgets. Simply government and these problems would take care of themselves.

    And I didn’t hear much of that last night.

  109. “If BiC’s comfort level and personal interest can deny gays the right to marry (a very oppressive position) why can’t I offer them advice that will actually make their assimilation into polite society more viable?”

    You’re getting warm. Still trying to squeak out an “If, Then” statement though. And BIC hasn’t a thing to do with the question I asked you.

    Let me help you out. The correct answer is “It should not.”

  110. “What of the lame stream media now? They’ve got egg on their faces too.”

    The local news taking heads here are downright surly.

    “Obama punishing the country seems very real and very troubling to me.”

    I’m counting on it.

    A roomful of twenty or so 18-14 years olds, multicultural, both genders well represented – did not know what I was talking about when I asked if any of them still needed to get to the polls yesterday.

  111. “Good Gawd. That ain’t the prominence Pfuckhead was talking about.”

    Of course not. He also predicted “an electoral bloodbath” and gave the Republican party a “40% chance of survival at this point.”

    But the biggest laugh I got was this:

    “I don’t think he [Jefferson] was an atheist, but he was certainly not a believer in a Hairy Thunderer who looks like Barry Gibb.”

    “As science advances, your superstition must retreat. And it is. A delight to watch, yes it is…
    PFesser , June 27, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    https://rutherfordl.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/abortion/

  112. 18-24 year olds, that is.

    Many of the others weren’t able to answer when one of them asked “how old do you have to be to vote anyway?”

    I did find it a little surprising.

  113. “We’re not interest in dividing American based on race, gender, or social status. We are more interested in the integrity and honesty of a candidate, who will return power back to the people and away from Washington”

  114. @ Rutherford of all the chatter about Obama in the immediate future one consistent scenario is the potential of an Executive Order extending immediate amnesty to up to 5 million illegal aliens
    Seriously if that were to occur is there really anything open but impeachment?

  115. I’ve thought impeachment was feasible after Benghazi, but it would be a Pyrrhic victory unless the press stopped defending Obama.

    “How old do you have to be to vote?” is another reason firing Obama would be a problem. Too many people are ignorant. That doesn’t mean Republicans shouldn’t try.

  116. However, the thought occurred to me. Do these David Axelrod types ever give consideration (minus the college educated women) that there may come a day when these poor/disenfranchised folks figure out the Democrats have helped in no large part put them in that position?

    Tavis Smiley almost went there. On Face the Nation he suggested blacks are tired of being ignored right up until it’s get out the vote time. More and more the response is what have you done for me lately?

    As for Obama being asked to reach out to the brothers, in America no matter how high you get, when the chips are down you’re just another useful negro. Obama can be pres-o-dent until the cows come home. He’s still a black man in America.

    If it weren’t for the SS protection he will get for the rest of his life, homeboy ex pres-o-dent would still get pulled over and frisked for minor traffic infractions.

  117. If it weren’t for the SS protection he will get for the rest of his life, homeboy ex pres-o-dent would still get pulled over and frisked for minor traffic infractions.

    Bitch, please.

    They’d take one look at the mom jeans and the bike, and figure he’s got enough trouble.

  118. Tavis Smiley almost went there. On Face the Nation he suggested blacks are tired of being ignored right up until it’s get out the vote time. More and more the response is what have you done for me lately?

    He also talked about the highway into poverty and the sidewalk out.

    Republicans don’t own that, Dems do, R.

  119. Yeah Alfie I just had this conversation about SS protection with my wife a few weeks ago and the lifetime protection was changed but has since been restored. The VP does not get lifetime protection.

  120. I believe Obama won’t touch immigration IF Congress beats him to it. The Senate had a bipartisan bill but the House sat on it.

    My advice to Mitch – get something on Obama’s desk and avoid a constitutional crisis.

  121. LOL Obama punishing the country? Vote for Dems or I’ll send you to bed without supper!

    You boys and girls can be so warped sometimes.

    First of all if Obama paddled Muffy he’d get in big trouble with feminist contingent of his base. 😆

  122. So there are at least two schools of thought out there.

    1. Open season on Obama – block anything that might add to his legacy and the cherry on the sundae, impeach impeach impeach.
    2. Prove GOPers can competently run government thereby greasing the wheels for the 2016 candidate.

    What say you bar patrons?

  123. Don’t know what you’re talking about BiC but I thought the whole point of reservations was giving the “Indian nation” some degree of autonomy.

    I’m talking about the recreational marijuana vote in D.C. The good news is that the Democrats don’t have to hide it anymore, but on the other hand, anyone with a functioning brain has known that the Dems have been acting high for years.

    I’d even dedicate this song to them, but frankly, the band is too good for them. All they deserve is a sad trombone.

  124. Open season on Obama – block anything that might add to his legacy and the cherry on the sundae, impeach impeach impeach.

    His legacy is being one of the most arrogant and lawless POSes to ever put his feet on our furniture, surpassing even LBJ and Nixon. Whether or not he does something to put the twilight of his presidency in a favorable light is up to him. After listening to some of his remarks today, I think he’s going to go for executive amnesty, and if the GOP doesn’t find it’s collective balls and finally bring his lawlessness to an end with impeachment, then they’re all looking for new careers after the next election cycle.

    Prove GOPers can competently run government thereby greasing the wheels for the 2016 candidate.

    One issue bills. Plain language. Funding for Agency X. Spending for Project Y. No omnibus. No Amendments. No Earmarks. No “comprehensive” anything.

    Make the Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers show the American people exactly what he is against, when he pitches his fits and vetos, and that way, if there is a shutdown, not even your favorite talking points dispensers on MSNDNC will be able to make it about Congress instead of President Choom, and his desire to utter a bit of wishcasting here and there between tee times, and “not resting” until he’s ready to rest again rather than actually addressing the problem that he said he would not rest until it had been resolved.

    If you hadn’t figured it out yet R, his legacy is being the guy who let Warren G. Harding Jimmy Carter off the hook as some of the worst people to ever sit in the Big Chair…which was to be expected when you elected the Emptiest of Suits.

  125. LOL Obama punishing the country? Vote for Dems or I’ll send you to bed without supper!

    You boys and girls can be so warped sometimes. -Rutherford

    Rutherford’s 1000th plate of crow just got put in the oven. Will be ready to eat in a couple of months.

  126. “LOL Obama punishing the country? Vote for Dems or I’ll send you to bed without supper!”

    WTF?? Are you this dense? Pen, phone, executive orders, regulatory edicts, veto, more grievance hustling. . . and more veto and more executive order. You know. The stuff he was threatening the very night his “policies were being voted on.” Such a mystery what we’re talking about. 🙄

    Hey, did you know that 65k worth of F&F documents were dumped on Tuesday? The stuff that was withheld and led to his AG receiving a contempt of Congress? Probably not.

    But of course 2/3 of the citizenry didn’t vote, so the wave was not a wave. It was an aberration. 2/3 just “forgot” to vote for him.

    The unfulfilled “introspection” you referred to in your prior posts. Remember that line of shit? There is but one enemy. Republicans. Oh, and those that just voted for them.

    Time to offer amnesty to millions by executive order. By God. That’ll learn ’em!

  127. Here’s the problem with your logic Tigre. Use of the pen and the phone will “punish”, let’s be charitable, 60% of the country. 40% still like the guy.

    So one man’s punishment is another’s reward.

    Of course your other bit of absurdity is your insistence that “Obama wants to hurt America”. Damn after six years you still sound loony.

  128. The power of social media:

    A friend of the family posts “Good bye” to Facebook – nothing more, just good bye.

    It so unnerves people that someone calls the police to check on him. He later posts that he should have said “good night” or something less final.

    I’m trying to decide if this is a good thing or a bad thing. His initial post WAS creepy. I’ll be damn careful what I post to FB from now on.

  129. Rutherford, do you not see Obama’s post election reaction as defiant. Even your liberal pundits/outlets see it.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_DAY_AFTER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-05-19-25-36

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/house-democrats-election-results-2014-112619.html

    Your inability to see how petty and divisive Obama is defies comprehension sometimes. I seriously can’t tell whether you are this oblivious or willfully blind.

    If you can’t contextualize this and what brought it on, you are beyond help.

  130. Of course, Obama going to war with Congress is a reward for you and the three other guys that still like him. How rewarding. That should pay off.

  131. Tigre,

    No matter the trash Rutherford peddles here in ‘moderation’ and introspection, Rutherford is always going to be an MSNBC parrot and Obama toe sucker. It’s his base nature and immutable – this Obama slap is personal to Rutherford. He’s part of the bloc vote, Travon crowd, though he poses himself otherwise here.

    Rutherford’s racialized rant up above indicates to me that the reality of the evening set in this morning, and Rutherford, while sharing nothing with the ghetto, still believes like the ghetto. It’s about all the defiance he can muster.

    The system is rigged, white privilege, the man is against him – perhaps even a war on women. It’s pitiful and pathetic – especially from someone who benefited in college for the sole reason he’s not white. But to be expected.

  132. Damn Tex, even MSNBC is more attached to the reality of this than Rutherford. I won’t bother posting the links since they’re breathtakingly redundant but even Ed fucking Shultz called Tuesday a “complete rejection of Obama.” Chris tingly leg Matthews can’t hold back his incredulity for his own circle feigning denial over Obama’s weird post election defiance. Digging in is not an option but by God that’s what Obama is signaling he intends to do under the pretense of a so-called mandate that was permanently revoked.

    A reward for 40%? Gimme a break. That’s even too delusional for MSNBC.

  133. I’ve been calling Obama a malignant narcissist for at least five years now. And that much is true – obviously.

    After listening to that insufferable presser today, I would add a new prognosis. Obama appears to have real sociopathic tendencies. There is real anger in that man. Not an ounce of humility or even an admission of fault for that complete beat down. I’m beginning to wonder if Obama doesn’t have some real underlying issues besides incompetency and delusions of grandeur.

    You wonder if that won’t push this man over the edge and strike out. Since it would read to me from his continual braggadocio and published autobiographies (which are strange in themselves), Obama has never had to face rejection and always coddled, it leads me to believe Obama is capable of about anything. If he does this executive order on immigration, then it’s settled.

    Obama will become an enemy that needs to be not just mocked, but publicly destroyed, humiliated, removed from office, and scorned. And we will have a race war.

  134. Perhaps the proverbial cherry on the sundae, I read Sandra “Abortion Tubby” Fluke, Pucker’s favorite filly next to Abortion Barbie, lost by a 2-1 margin after MSNBC gave her virtually 24 hour free advertisement.

    Way to go, Rachel! Yes We Can!

  135. It’s pitiful and pathetic – especially from someone who benefited in college for the sole reason he’s not white. But to be expected.

    God are you good at writing garbage. Putting aside the comment’s complete mischaracterization of me, your biggest flaw is the suggestion I was a black affirmative action admission. First, I was among the best from my high school so I was no charity case. But tipping my hat to your suggestion, it was my DISABILITY that satisfied Harvard’s thirst for diversity.

    You can be so dumb. To most I look white. The first thing people think when they see me other than incredibly handsome and debonair is DISABLED.

  136. If he does this executive order on immigration, then it’s settled.

    Oh yes that would qualify as “just about anything”!

    Do you guys read what you write? You sound like raving madmen. So Obama was not contrite today. The next step is he will try to burn the whole country down?

    There is only one RATIONAL narrative going on right now. Who will be more pig headed, the GOP led congress or Obama? But everyone sane agrees the country will survive the next two years and welcome HRC into the Oval Office. 🙂

  137. Tigre I hate to let you in on this but that 40% want immigration reform, a raise in the minimum wage and other things that define them as progressives.

    That’s the reward nitwit, not racial strife.

  138. Gawd, R. You’re like a damn child sometimes.

    I know what you were saying. I’d wager 100% want “immigration reform,” not 40%. Don’t you read what that means to both sides? Are you aware of what Obama said he’d do and when and why? Geeze. I know you watch MSNBC. Even those dumbfucks wouldn’t adopt your perverse view of what’s acceptable or will work.

    We’re taking about executive amnesty in the face the new Congress, not the generic “immigration reform” embraced by both sides. I know you consider the executive some kind of dictator or monarch and congress an obstacle to decree, but that’s because you operate at the basest level of understanding of executive authority.

    If you think picking a fight with Congress is the path, again, your fucking clueless. The “progressive” agenda, whatever the fuck that is other than “unfettered big government,” was rejected. Get your head out of your arse.

  139. And to make it clear as you dodge the obvious point, I’m talking about provoking a crisis. Your/His own damn party abandoned him R. Ran away from him. Ran AGAINST him and his policies. Did you see any republicans lose their seats? He’s been slapped, and slapped hard. And look at his anger, defiance and denial the day after. It’s predictable; it’s telling.

    I believe his ego, arrogance, narcissism, lack of awareness/bubble-existence, tells him to create turmoil and havoc as the response. Divide and fan the flames is all he knows. Pretend all you want. He wears no clothes.

    I believe he is incapable accepting the UNIVERSAL rejection.

    Tell me what he does next with the message he pretends he hasn’t received. Seriously. The election strategies and imagery employed by the left leading up to this says it all.

    Now, if he signs an executive amnesty order, what do you think happens next. Serious question. The GOP says, “awe shucks.” What does the left do? Enquiring minds want to know.

  140. Remember way back when Rutherford and Obama used to preach to us about what was and wasn’t the discussion around America’s dinner tables?

    Now it’s our turn….

    Rutherford, Americans aren’t sitting around the dinner table giving a rat’s ass about Barack Obama’s legacy. They want to know they have a job to go to tomorrow that might pay them more than minimum wage. They want to know they are going to be safe. They want to know that they can afford that next tank of gas. Or that next electricity bill.

    After 6 years, Barack Obama has failed to deliver those things.

    If America wanted congress to cooperate more with Barack Obama, they’d have elected Democrats, not Republicans. They didn’t.

    We won, get over it.

  141. First, I was among the best from my high school so I was no charity case. But tipping my hat to your suggestion, it was my DISABILITY that satisfied Harvard’s thirst for diversity.

    There’s a lot of disabled whites a lot smarter than you are that aren’t attending Harvard, Chief, who I am absolutely sure have applied to Hawvard – which is basically a school for the rich. You’re the two edged sword that Harvard needed to masquerade as morally charitable for the 4-year degree while they sit on about a $50 billion endowment reserved for the trust fund babies. You’re the prop in the window.

    I was one of the better students at my high school. So what? I attended a nice, state school. The honor roll doesn’t mean shiite.

    Today, I read that you Progressives will choose to allow Reid and Pelosi to remain on as your leaders. Really?

    That’s excellent news. Do you remember when I told you modern day liberalism is a mental disease? I wasn’t teasing. I think you people are not only helpless and clueless, but hapless and juvenile. Your party needs adult supervision.

    Reid and Pelosi. Think about that.

  142. This minimum wage issue is such a farce. That’s what mindless dolts like Nancy Pelosi from her government funded mansion peddle to solve the poor people’s woes. Unfortunately is sells to the illiterate and Lib Art that make up the great majority of the Dim Party.

    Hey! If I could just get up to $19K a year from $14K a year, “Man, I’ll be flying high!!!! and everything will be great!”

    On top of that, about 33% of them don’t realize at the time they’re going to go from making $14K a year to $0.00 a year.

    Math has never been a strong suit of the Left and neither has critical thinking.

    And people wonder why the country is in trouble? Millions of mindless sheep that are waiting for Hope & Change – free rent and gas.

  143. They want to know that they can afford that next tank of gas.

    Oooo and you were doing so well and then you had to blow it. Don’t know about Californy but in most of the country gas is at a low.

    Big chunk taken out of deficit too. But your point has merit. This is the invisible recovery. The good economic numbers don’t match what is going on on the ground.

  144. Hawvard – which is basically a school for the rich.

    And that’s why you attended a state school, Chief. Your ambition was probably no further ahead of you than the tip of your nose.

    I don’t know where you grew up but I’m guessing we both thought back then that Harvard was for rich geniuses. Fortunately I got to go there and learn nothing could be further from the truth. The rich crowd to which I had no access comprised a small portion of the student body. I attended 1979 to 1983, not 1929-1933. The Harvard of today is not the elite Harvard of yesterday.

    I was there. You were not. Yet you have the gall to lecture me. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

  145. Big chunk taken out of deficit too

    Really? Last I looked the deficit was $600,000,000,000 in the red this year. Big Chunk! Good math! Did I add the Fed has stroked the market with $4 trillion in cash to prop it up? Wait until that stops one day. You haven’t seen deficits yet under Obola math. You want to talk about income redistribution? Your party just made the rich, richer, the poor more indebted. But thanks. 😉

    Gas is at a low in spite of your feckless party. That and the fact that Saudi Arabia and Russia are in panic mode over hydraulic fracking and horizontal drilling and have purposely cut supply to try and prop up the price – two more innovations your party was, is, and will still try to kill. Smart!

  146. Rutherford I had no real intention of piling on the election result saga but I am moved to say something to your glib reply to Huck.
    Oooo and you were doing so well and then you had to blow it. Don’t know about Californy but in most of the country gas is at a low.

    Having suffered through what seems like eons of “Halliburton,Bu$h& Cheney reaming the country on fuel prices” I really can’t stand for this hypocrisy. Our prices except for the federal and state taxes that we find on fuels has absolutely nothing to do with policies Obama has pushed or even loosely supported. In reality domestic production,the Saudis actions in their ongoing proxy war with Iran are the reasons and they are reasons that won’t last too long.

    Big chunk taken out of deficit too. But your point has merit. This is the invisible recovery. The good economic numbers don’t match what is going on on the ground.
    Didn’t know Illinois passed free cannabis laws but theres the proof. We are not in a recovery we are in fact in an ongoing economic adjustment that is responding to organic systemic inputs as well as government actions. The result is not one that progressives especially should be happy about. The rich will be much richer. The poor will be more isolated physically and fiscally. The middle will be shredded or nipped depending on location on a map and the point on the middle spectrum they sit at.
    Suburban poverty and inequality is about to skyrocket. Debt backed by the government is the next bubble to burst. Urbanism will have positive and negative impacts especially in the area of gentrification.
    Anyone who thinks Tuesday solved anything is just wrong. I think the only real 2016 issue resolved this past Tuesday is that two or three solid issues have had a course charted,whether anyone pays attention to them is another matter.

  147. And that’s why you attended a state school, Chief. Your ambition was probably no further ahead of you than the tip of your nose.

    I attended a State School because it was what I could afford, with a little help from the folks. That and the fact I’m well aware even at a young age of just how overrated private universities really are. That opinion hasn’t changed in 35 years either – especially since I just paid $3,100 a month for four years to prove it.

    I don’t mean to be cruel man…But.

    What was your ambition? Big house tilting toward foreclosure kept afloat by the 401k or inheritance?

  148. Your party just made the rich, richer, the poor more indebted. But thanks.

    You’re absolutely right. The gains we’ve made are off the backs of the working middle class while the rich get richer.

    That’s why HRC is (unsuccessfully) trying to sound like Liz Warren.

  149. Mine (though I’m not rich, just comfortably numb) has not come off anybody’s back. They’ve come off a vastly overblown stock market return, thanks to the Fed trying like hell to make Obama’s miserable management of the economy and billions in unnecessary regulation look solvent.

    Which is of course another kick in the teeth of the working stiffs, who can’t get a return on any investment but equities and can’t take the risk of letting hang in the market. Strike #2 for Obola.

    So if you agree with me, why are you calling President Obola mediocre? What exactly has he accomplished that is average? You going to revert to ‘jobs saved?’

    Liz Warren is a disaster in the making and you still don’t get it. Liz Warren believes academia has the answers. Good Lord, what advice do you think the Sham for President has been following for six years? At last count, 92% of his cabinet has no practical experience in the private sector.

    And you want more of it.

  150. Alfie if gas prices soared for reasons totally unrelated to Obama policy, Obama would be blamed. The fact is Huck cited a non-problem. Folks are NOT worried about the next gas tank right now.

  151. If any party has a mandate, the Republicans have one now. Democrats claimed Obama’s victory and the pre- Tea Party wave was a generational mandate. The same reality applies now.

    All of the winning Senators promised to end ObamaCare. This was a mandate to end the liberal Democratic policies and to stop the Reid Senate obfuscation to protect the party and Obama.

    Democrats will be hoist by their own petard because unless the new majority changes Reid’s rules, Democrats will suffer what they inflicted on Republicans.

    This mandate goes deeper than the national offices down to the state and local levels. Obama had best accept reality, though his perception of himself and reality may lead him to declare war on the Republicans and hope that the press and ignorant voters will bail him out.

    He may be like Sampson who pulled down the walls to destroy the Philistines and himself with them.

  152. Rutherford, let’s stop the bickering for a moment. Serious question. Make that two. Try to answer these seriously without flippancy and restore my faith you’re a serious man on occasion – albeit wounded from years of abuse. 😈

    What would it take for me to convince you that government is the problem and more government doesn’t work?

    I’ve tried noting that we’ve spent well over $20 trillion with a ‘T’ dollars under the euphemism of ‘The Great Society’ as a nation during a period of 50 years, redistributing monies to poor to combat poverty.

    And at last count, the poverty rate is virtually unchanged in 50 years with 1 in 2 families in or near the poverty line in America. Worse, the working middle class is disappearing and situation is growing worse.

    I agree with you in this sense. That is unsustainable and frankly breaks my heart. I don’t want children growing up like that. I’m not without conscience, nor without wisdom to realize that a severely weakens our country which will break apart. Unlike many of the truly rich, I’m neither inclined to run nor to hide. Neither do I want my children faced with the dilemma of a mob which will surely ensue if the trend continues.

  153. Alfie if gas prices soared for reasons totally unrelated to Obama policy, Obama would be blamed.

    Perhaps true. But how is that any different than what you hacks did in 2008 to George Bush when gas prices rose to their historically highest levels and you blamed him for everything including sour milk in your refrigerator? Bush may have been President that oversaw the deep recession, but he certainly wasn’t the cause of it.

    I think and I emphasize think, you know that in your heart now.

  154. Oooo and you were doing so well and then you had to blow it. Don’t know about Californy but in most of the country gas is at a low.

    In spite of Obama and Dem policies, not because of them.

    Big chunk taken out of deficit too.

    See above…not that it matters, since interest rates cannot be kept artificially low forever, and at some point, MUCH more money will go to service the debt.

  155. What was your ambition? Big house tilting toward foreclosure kept afloat by the 401k or inheritance?

    That wasn’t mean. That was just stupid. What did my ambition at 18 have anything to do with my predicaments in my 40’s? LOL I think you read your insults back to yourself and you get hard not realizing they make zero sense.

    Let me try a civil approach. For the sake of argument I’m gonna assume we came from similar economic backgrounds and didn’t know LOTS of Ivy Leaguers. I was inspired by a kid two grades ahead of me in HS and realized if he could go to Yale, why couldn’t I go to Harvard? He wasn’t rich. He wasn’t a genius. And no he wasn’t black.

    For the record I got no scholarships and no financial aid. My parents went into debt up to their eyeballs. When I graduated I took over my fed student loan. Took years for my parents to pay off the rest of the debt.

    Despite your claim to the contrary I’ll go out on a limb and conjecture NEITHER YOU NOR I imagined an Ivy League school in our future. The difference, I was inspired by another ordinary kid and I’m guessing you saw no such role model. I’m definitely not buying your 18 year old wisdom about private schools being overrated. That is 20/20 hindsight my friend.

  156. I’ll say this Tex. Institutions have degraded over the years and government is no exception. As clear as day Dem policies have not helped blacks.

    The problem we have is not that we necessarily disagree on the overall performance of government. We disagree on the role of government. I say they’re doing their job poorly. You say they’re doing things that should not be their job in the first place.

  157. I’m definitely not buying your 18 year old wisdom about private schools being overrated. That is 20/20 hindsight my friend.

    You would be wrong. You forget we have a highly rated private school right here in town that I was accepted to. Not Harvard. But still well thought of in academia, ironically 35 years later giving them a small fortune.

    I’m not going to say I didn’t have the advice of counseling – from believe it or not, the only man in my personal life I truly respected who had no college education. But he was smart enough to own a steel fabrication shop and far wiser than 99.99% of the professionally educated. When I explained the situation with me and my parents, he told me that private education wasn’t worth it in his opinion (of which he donated and thought overrated). And I took his suggestion to get my degree and not spend my life assembling heat exchangers. He told me one day, “Tex, you don’t want to do this the rest of your life. It will put you in an early grave and frankly my boy, you’re smarter than this. Why don’t you do something with your life? Be an engineer.” I took half his advice. Wished I’d taken the other half.

    Rutherford, you should be proud you made it into Harvard. Whether overrated or not, that’s quite an accomplishment for an average kid from an average home. Even if I don’t put a great deal of stock in what university someone attends, it is a well deserved matter of pride.

    Which by the way. My smart kid? She’s interviewing as we speak at Vanderbilt. And she’ll interview at Johns Hopkins, Duke, Stanford, and other names – none of which are her first choice.

    She received one rejection. Guess where? And I’ll guarantee you there was no deficiency. She’s well above their board scores on both Step 1 & 2. She laughed. I shook my head – mainly at why she would waste her money. She told me she wanted to see the campus. I told her to take a vacation. 🙂

  158. We disagree on the role of government. I say they’re doing their job poorly. You say they’re doing things that should not be their job in the first place.

    Thus demonstrating that a Haaaaaavvvvaaaad eduminication isn’t all that and a bag of chips.

    We disagree because you are wrong. And I’ve been telling you for years now that if you feel that passionately about it, there is a LEGAL means of changing that…all you have to do is convince the rest of us that AMENDING the bylaws, rather than pretending they say something that they don’t is the correct and lawful way to achieve your aims.

  159. What did my ambition at 18 have anything to do with my predicaments in my 40’s? LOL I think you read your insults back to yourself and you get hard not realizing they make zero sense.

    Your “ambition” is exactly what put you in your predicament in your 40s in large part. That’s why.

    Let me ask you another question then. If you think government is just doing their job “poorly” but is still the answer, can you recollect at any time in our history that government has been able to do their job well in specifically creating an economy and building a middle class?

    And I sure hope you don’t go all Keynesian and FDR on me. Because the history won’t back you up. If there’s one thing I’ve learned over the last decade without debate, FDR may have this outstanding legacy – but the details sure don’t support it.

    I suspect what FDR really had was what Barack Obama had some years back: a gifted tongue, a stacked deck, and a media machine doing his bidding. People forget not long after FDR died, America couldn’t amend the Constitution fast enough to limit a President to two terms. There’s a reason for that which never gets addressed.

  160. Tex, I revisited the grannies. They are slightly less moribund than they were. I gave them a red flag with manure, bilge and ignorant voters while being polite. I also told them my proven credibility is better than theirs. I don’t know if I want to waste my time, but I have set them up for your vast talent if you are inclined.

  161. One reason FDR stayed in power so long was voters didn’t want to change horses in mid stream of a war. He and the party lied about his declining heath which had voters known,might have denied him his last term.

    FDR knowingly risked the nation’s welfare with his lies, because his death thrust Harry Truman into the presidency. The timing was good, and Truman became effective, but at first the administration had kept Truman in the dark about many policies including developing the A bomb.

  162. I didn’t cast my vote for Washington to – as the once thought of as gifted orator puts it – “get stuff done.” My vote was cast to stop Obama from getting anymore “stuff” done.

    “People forget not long after FDR died, America couldn’t amend the Constitution fast enough to limit a President to two terms.”

    Congress might ought to begin with enacting legislation designed to do what Obama has failed to do, and today lies about having done. Show Obama up for the economic changeling that he is.

    Really help Americans. Obama just helps himself to Americans.

    While on the side, start serious grass roots ops now and don’t worry at all about who the next candidate is. Focus on electing the next president and fill in the blank later.

    As far as the amnesty plot – Obama has used black Americans up for the one thing he’s after. Evidently that suits Democrats. The psychopartisan-in-chief has moved on to his next conquest while Rutherford giggles at Obama’s dishonorable display yesterday.

    Be glad Obama’s pen-dick doesn’t just open the border and order border patrol to stand down. Then we can argue about whether an order to stand down is the same as a stand down order.

    Can congress block Perez or did head henchman Reid take care of that for Obama?

  163. Regarding any amnesty I’m guessing O’s lawyers will carefully advise him on what his limits are.

    Don’t forget he’s already pissed off Hispanics with his first punt on this. Red lines don’t mean much to him. His stated intent to go unilateral may just be bluster.

  164. “Regarding any amnesty I’m guessing O’s lawyers will carefully advise him on what his limits are.”

    Were you thinking when you wrote that?

    That’s the fucking problem, R.

    Gaaaaawd!!!!!!!!!!!! It hurts. It huuuuuurts!!!!!

  165. Gaaaaawd!!!!!!!!!!!! It hurts. It huuuuuurts!!!!!

    I’m not a sadist but damn that cracked me up.

    Hey Tigre, Executive Orders wouldn’t exist at all unless at least some of them were legal. I’m making the bold assertion that the WH counsel doesn’t want to see his man impeached. Obama will find the line and if he does anything at all, he’ll go right up to the line but not cross it.

  166. R, you’re just talking right past me. Legality is not the issue. Manufactured crisis is (a/k/a the punishment).

    Like I said, even you liberal outlets know what we’re talking about. Ultimatums? Are you for real? Can you see past the tip of your nose?

    [In an Archie Bunker voice used to address Meathead], “Geeeze Ruth-a-fad, you’re killing me.” 😆

  167. “Regarding any amnesty I’m guessing O’s lawyers will carefully advise him on what his limits are.”

    Hey Tigre, Executive Orders wouldn’t exist at all unless at least some of them were legal. I’m making the bold assertion that the WH counsel doesn’t want to see his man impeached. Obama will find the line and if he does anything at all, he’ll go right up to the line but not cross it.

    Just like his lawyers “advised” him that it was ok for him to decide when houses of Congress were in recess so he could make “recess appointments” that weren’t?

    Rutherford…the executive doesn’t get to write law on his lonesome. And they aren’t called “executive orders” because any President can use his pen and phone to make an end run around Congress. They are called executive orders because they are orders effecting the operations of government that fall under executive control. Immigration is under Article I, NOT Article II.

    Your high school civics instructor clearly failed to teach you the basics.

  168. I don’t like FDR but people should keep full historical context in perspective. FDR was a fit for the time and the nation at hand.The country wasn’t as red and the blue was a more appealing shade than you’d find today.

  169. @ BIC to play a card for Rutherford,
    Isn’t it pretty much thought that any amnesty like EO is going to be one aimed at the departments sworn to enforcement activities up to and including the detention and screening facilities?

  170. Also I buy some of the chatter that immigration bluster from the WH is actually designed to divide the congressional Republicans on the issue and help the (D)’s in 2016.
    The next Congress can’t wait to react to the White House,they must act and they must act on topics outside of their district comfort zones.

  171. Alfie, he’s already set, or in this case, ordered a stand down on enforcement activities. It is a “de facto” amnesty, since no one will go get those who simply fail to show up at their immigration hearings, but it isn’t the same thing as actual amnesty, and could be undone by a subsequent President who takes the oath of office seriously, rather than using it for toilet paper.

    If he’s going to wave his pen and his phone and grant actual amnesty, then he has to do something that confers an official status that will survive his term. That would be a change to the law, even if he doesn’t phrase it as such, and that is where he once again assumes authority specifically vested in the legislative branch.

  172. I had a synapse or two fire when I wrote “red” in that comment.
    Truth is though that deep into main stream Joe Lunch Pail America people liked the ideas of TVA,rural electrification,farm subsidy and jobs across the economic spectrum. Its an old play book that both the Carter and Obama Administrations literally dusted off. (think broadband instead of electricity for ex. and that Food Stamps are somehow the controversial part of any given farm bill)
    Nostalgia aside some of the context I think people lose sight of regard the USA & FDR was that many folks took a real beating and liked the idea of Uncle Sam standing in/up for them.
    Now to be clear I’m not fully trying to help Rutherford here since I think he misses the reality that any good snare is baited and that is exactly how many government programs work.

  173. Now to be clear I’m not fully trying to help Rutherford here since I think he misses the reality that any good snare is baited and that is exactly how many government programs work.

    “Just surrender to us the fruits of your labor, your freedom, and all of the power and authority you unwisely reserved to yourself, and we’ll relieve you of the burden of being responsible for yourself and achieving in a manner commensurate with your ambition and ability. [Just remember that when we run out of other people’s money, our first priority is us, and you’ll all be relegated to the crumbs we allow you to retain.]”

  174. The country wasn’t as red and the blue was a more appealing shade than you’d find today.

    No doubt the blue more appealing. They weren’t burning down their own towns for starters. Of course, Dems were burning down a few black towns back then. Right Rutherford? How’s it taste to be a party to Bull Connor? 😈

    Good news I read today. Nancy Pelosi intends to stay as leader of the House Minority and few are opposing her. Great move, Dems! That’s the kind of intellectual leadership you need to guide USS Obama.

    What’s that big white thing in front of you, Captain Nancy? Full speed ahead and crack out another bottle of Biden 08!

  175. Harry Reid is getting a lot of heat now that the post-election circular firing squad has started. Anyone here think he’ll be booted from minority lead in the Senate?

  176. I’m always tickled when folks throw the pre-1965 Dem party in my face as racist. It’s like reminding me that 90’s era cell phones were a brick. Things change.

  177. I’m always tickled when folks throw the pre-1965 Dem party in my face as racist. It’s like reminding me that 90’s era cell phones were a brick. Things change.

    Tell it to Tim Scott…who has come under attack for not being black enough, not by evil Rethugggiiiiikkkkans, who elected the guy. What nerve they had, huh?

  178. BiC I don’t argue with you. Perhaps I should have said “traditionally racist”. The Uncle Tomming that Scott gets is deplorable.

    There is also a strong racist streak among liberals evident in their patronizing attitude towards blacks. It’s a different flavor of racism from the lynching kind, but racism nonetheless.

  179. I think George Jefferson would have thought the same thing of this fine Obama voter I do, “R”? Doesn’t make you proud to share a clear heritage with this clear thinking sister-in-arms?

    Movein’ on up!

  180. “I’m always tickled that LBJ said in about ’64, “I’ll Have Those Niggers Voting Democratic For The Next 200 Years.”

    Your source?

  181. “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One

    These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ

    Ronald Kessler’s “Inside The White House”

    http://www.amazon.com/Inside-White-House-Kessler/dp/1433244985

    I thought you’d probably stroked out on us after the big Wendy Davis ‘War on Women’ victory party.

    Congratulations!

  182. You’re mother was a fine woman, Rutherford. 😛 Smart too! A shame you didn’t pick up on her prescience. LBJ was a known racist. Take a look at LBJ’s record in the 40s and 50s. Texas was much different back then. I’m surprised JAL tried to nail me on it. That’s common knowledge.

  183. Well of course the best quote from Johnson was the one where he told his tailor how he wanted his pants situated around his “nutsack” and “bunghole”. 🙂

  184. I love this bit of irony. Everyday I watch a show on Bloomberg hosted by the two left leaning authors of “Game Change”, John Heilemann and Mark Halperin. The show is partly sponsored by … wait for it … Koch Industries. 😆

  185. You guys have been busy and I haven’t caught up yet…

    Regarding the sitting around the dinner table scenario Huck mentioned, it seems everyone is looking to government to help or for answers. I find that the key problem for both sides. Government doesn’t fix things. It cannot fix anything. It never has done more than grow and protect itself. It is self-serving. We were told at the onset of this republic that we had to keep vigilant and beat it down. But we got lazy. Some went out from us and took advantage of us letting our guard down. Soon the republic was taken over by those set on profiting from the sweat and good nature of the rest. Later they took over our money and indebted us beyond anything we can fathom much less repay.

    It’s fucked. There is no fix. All the safeties have been pulled. The escape routes sabotaged. It’s time to quit participating in the madness and to rebuild our communities and strengthen our families. It’s time to invest in the future generation and divorce this blood sucking treasonous beast.

  186. Incidentally, R, why is Obama saying something must be done before the new Congress is sworn in? Why do you think he is talking smack? Is he going to veto any bill introduced by the new congress that runs contrary to his decree? Why wouldn’t he?

  187. He may be like Sampson who pulled down the walls to destroy the Philistines and himself with them.

    James, your statement reminded of the Sampson option. I can’t see Bobo taking himself out in the process, though I think he can do plenty of damage if he so chose. I guess we will find out.

  188. “Don’t know about Californy but in most of the country gas is at a low”

    Compared to what, Rutherford? Compared to what?

    When prices were a national average of $2.50 per gallon, Obama called it a failure of Bush’s leadership.

    When Barack Obama took office, the national average was $1.89 a gallon. The current national average is $2.99 per gallon.

    You’re still not even trying……

  189. “Regarding any amnesty I’m guessing O’s lawyers will carefully advise him on what his limits are.”

    And if they don’t give him an answer he likes, he will get new lawyers. It wouldn’t be the first time.

  190. As alfie wrote, FDR was a good fit for the time. Survivors of the Dust Bowl credited his make work and conservation policies with keeping them alive.

    As I have written before FDR argueably made Sarah Palin possible. His administration didn’t know what would work and would fail. They threw stuff at the wall to see what would stick. One bright idea was to send Scandinavians and Germans to homestead Alaska. They were used to dark, cold winters and would have a good chance of success.

    The homesteaders created a community and some survived to prosper. Other people, including the Palin family moved to the region. Jewel, the singer, might have been another creation.

  191. Harry Reid changed Senate rules to control the Republican minority and to stack the courts with liberal judges. I think justice dictates that the rules stand for a year or so so Democrats will suffer under the same restrictions they imposed on Republicans.

  192. “I’m hearing on Bloomberg channel that Hispanics rejected Wendy Davis on the abortion thing.”

    Uh huh.

    “I don’t know. Something tells me that the approaching influx of probable Democrats into TX may not revere the lax abortion laws up here as much as progressives do. Personally I foresee a surge of Mary statues in bathtubs on front lawns.” -muffy , June 26, 2013 at 9:12 pm

  193. I figured out Tigre’s problem. He’s watching too much MSNBC. Hardball made a big deal tonight over the coming war over immigration.

    Would I be surprised if he issues an EO? No. Would I be surprised if he exercises the veto over the next two years? No.

    So to be clear I don’t see him “punishing” the country per se, but yeah I can see him punishing the GOP.

    But here’s another wrinkle. I think he is so pissed off at his own party he just might strike deals to screw them over. He’s got nothing to lose now.

  194. “Bravo Muffy. The only thing better than mocking old quotes of others is celebrating old quotes of your own.”

    OR – “Nicely done Muffy. Rather prescient of you. Not exactly the conventional wisdom the day after the Wendy Davis filibuster. While some of us were getting the drizzles over the idea of turning Texas blue and making what turned out to be real dumbass predictions of a bloodbath for Republicans in 2014, you wisely saw that the Hispanic vote might tip the scales in some way. And in the opposite direction of what we expect! What else can I say but well done Muffy. I tip my hat to you.”

  195. Actually, it’s Hispanic men that voted against Wendy Davis and turned the Hispanic vote. Naturally, blacks went 93-7 for Pink Shoes – Paalov’s dogs over there.

    I would like somebody to explain how is it that white privileged men are racist when they vote about 65-35 for the Republican candidate, but blacks both male and female are a guaranteed 93-95% for anybody with a ‘D’ behind their name and aren’t questioned about their biases?

    That’s one thing I hope comes to national debate after the failed ‘War on Women.’ Any blacks want to discuss who is really racist, look me up. We can compare statistics. We can do math. 😈

    A thought occurred to me tonight, Rutherford. I was thinking about intelligent sounding, accomplished blacks in America outside of sports and entertainment. And I couldn’t think of five that are Dimocrat.

    But I can list off a number of blacks that are well spoken and are Republican. And being these Black Conservatives are outnumbered about 18/20 to 1 in the demographic, what do you think the statistical odds of that are?

    I mean, who do you find Rutherford more accomplished and better spoken? Condi Rice? Or Shelia Jackson Lee?

  196. No Rutherford, it ain’t MSNBC nor have you taxed yourself to fairly summarize. I won’t bother. We’re talking about character. You’re dissembling. He’s Obama, hear him roar. Nobody’s more upset at his party’s failure than he is.

    You just keep believing whatever the fuck it is you see in him and your party’s results, and I see you won’t bother with my questions. That’s deliberate. Sorry the pendulum swung and your emperor disrobed.

  197. One can’t necessarily call blacks racists because they voted for Obama in such numbers. They vote for white Democrats with similar enthusiasm. They think they are voting for their own interests, though they are as racist as any other ethnic group. They are fools.

  198. James, personal observation: they’re awakening. The buffoonery just witnessed was sobering. As the black Jesus falls the manipulation/exploitation becomes more and more apparent.

  199. I don’t think gas prices are tied to supply and demand, like we were led to believe. I think it one of the more MANipulated™ figures in our society. I had predicted gas prices would rise 10 cents a month for this entire year. Obviously, I was wrong. It started out that way, but by May it began to stabilize and by July it started to drop. We’re averaging $2.75 for regular. Of course, our government has been ramping up their latest war offensives and low gas prices tend to calm the public like nothing else. It is amazing the reaction a few pennies per gallon will get and how many folks will travel out of their way to save a few of those pennies.

  200. Pool, I worked in the petroleum industry for 20 years and I can guarantee you that gas prices are manipulated – but not for the reasons you might think. Actually, there is no industry in America more efficient at bring finished product to the market than America’s Petroleum Industry. They make huge money because they supply close to 400MM gallons of gasoline a day, every day. That adds up to billions of dollars rather quickly. But their profit margins are just a few cents on the dollar. That’s the truth.

    The manipulation starts with you’re dealing with 3rd world nations as suppliers whose economy is virtually dependent upon the exploration and supply of one product. And until recently, they were providing about 60% of the feedstock to the U.S.. If it weren’t for fracking and horizontal drilling, our economy would truly be in the dink with whats going on in the Middle East, and Dear Leader’s gross incompetence and profoundly ignorant ideas about green energy fraud.

    Then you’ve got numerous EPA regulations amongst which the sham ozone horseshit regulation that requires seasonal adjustments that can amount to 30 to 40¢ a gallon. Throw in an oligarchy like OPEC, it’s a treasure trove of corruption and graft setting prices.

    And there’s no doubt around the heavy traveling schedule, distributors jack their prices – but that is free enterprise and the only affiliation with most suppliers is the supply itself.

  201. I think they are awakening too El Tigre, so are Hispanics, many of whom fit better with Republicans than Democrats. Ben Sass the new Republican senator learned Spanish and visited areas which had never seen a Republican politician in person. it gave him a good night.

    My uncle was a smart man and one of the best mechanics in the area. He also owned a service station. One of his quirks during the fifties to eighties when he was active was that the oil companies and our government were fixing gas prices. They and the Soviets were cooperating as part of a world-wide oligopoly.

    We privately laughed about it, but maybe he was right..

  202. I’m not sure, Tigre or James. It will take more than a crack in the facade to change a national election I’m afraid. I wasn’t teasing earlier this week when I said I believe about 15 years ago, we crossed the Rubicon as a nation. The writing was on the wall. Think about it. Who in the hell in their right mind would vote for a golddigging, traitorous POS like John Kerry? And he damn near won.

    I once tempted thought that we had an awakening in 2010 – only to be proven wrong two years later not realizing how grossly irresponsible this aggregate nation had become The more I listen to Mitt Romney, the more nauseous I become about what happened in 2012. Romney, though not my candidate of choice, would appear to be the gift we threw away, contrary to Rutherford’s idiot propaganda and 47% garbage. What Romney said was gospel truth.

    There is also a shred of truth about the 2/3 that didn’t vote. though Obama too clueless to know why. He’s still convinced he’s the most intelligent guy in the world and his policies work – megalomaniacs never learn until dead what imbeciles they really were.

    You drag these completely uninformed voters out of the abyss with promises of free stuff, and in 2016, they’ll be pandered to and bussed in, pulling the straight ‘D’ ticket. Throw in the thug precincts stuffing the ballot boxes and the voting dead, that leaves very little room for error for a national Republican candidate. Yes, these dupes are bleeding themselves – but they don’t look at life like most of us do. They’re not thinking about tomorrow – they live in the moment of what’s in it for them, never giving a moment’s thought to the consequences.

    What you saw in 2010 and 2014 was an election of the informed and involved. On a level playing field, anyone with a room temperature IQ and a degree of critical thinking understands how pathetic Obama and the ill-named ‘progressive politics’ really are. Leftist policies don’t work and have never worked.

    But that doesn’t hold sway for the dependent in a national election. Their vote is up to the highest bidder and most threatening soundbite. I have zero confidence most of them can make an informed decision.

    I really look at 2014 as only a reprieve. Our country’s outlook is bleak and there’s no way around that. Something catastrophic is going to have to happen to give the low information voters an epiphany.

    Something complex like Obamacare or Obama’s dismal policy? Greek. They understand the price of gas, or the address of the Social Security office.

    I don’t mean this as arrogant. It’s a condemnation of the indoctrination and low expectations that have overcome this country and that would take years to resolve – and years we don’t have.

  203. I agree, we must avoid the opinion of liberals after Obama won his first election. However, the early signs could be like our mild day today before the start of what could be an historically cold November for us. Or they may signal a change.

    The Daily Signal tells us that conservatives should stop regarding the 46 million Hispanics in our country as a minority. Democrats put them in that catagory to separate them from the rest of us. A survey shows that Hispanics support school choice,, oppose ObamaCare, and are pro life. Immigration is fourth on a list of five issues important to them. The Daily Signal.

  204. “One can’t necessarily call blacks racists because they voted for Obama in such numbers. They vote for white Democrats with similar enthusiasm.”

    Black voter turnout was the most important factor in both Obama wins. This was especially evident in the 2012 election.

  205. That’s true, muffy, Certainly many black people voted for Obama from racial pride as well as racism, but as Michele Obama exorted an audience a few days before the election to vote Democratic they should disregard what the candidate said or believed in. Just vote for the Democrat. Many blacks have voted that way for years.

  206. Tex, I am working purely from personal interactions and observations, not the results of the elections. Among my crowd, Obama is deemed a fraud and the prominent Dems manipulators. My sense is that the pendulum on the Dems sleazy, exploitative identity politics has reversed. I sure hope I’m right.

  207. I should have added Younger Friend, I hope I’m wrong. I saw cracks in the facade like you – the thrill of a “black President” has worn off, especially in rube white America – phonies and panderers to feel superior – Leftist/elitist pretentious at its dead level worst. But the hate is greater – Obama has created a mob, the tacit hatred always bubbling below the surface as clowns and buffoons like Obama’s spiritual adviser Jeremiah Wright have aptly demonstrated. This isn’t some anomaly – it’s half of Black America. And frankly, white America is responsible for much of it because we’ve become a bunch of programed pussies, either too scared to fight back, or too afraid we might be labeled racist. Or the worst of the worst, liberal elites using it to their advantage to stoke the hate. We ought to drag their sorry asses to Ferguson, MO, when the shit hits the fan and leave them unarmed in the streets.

    Rutherford, old friend. I want you to know before saying this that I believe you’re as far removed from this scum as I am. In no way am I tying this to you or anybody you affiliate. But enough is enough.

    The racial hatred this corrupt President has stoked is far greater now than when he came into office. Ferguson, MO, will be the test. If Obama and his band of race hustlers fan the flames and do nothing, and assuming the grand jury finds that they are railroading a white cop doing his job and defending himself, and the town burns, and white people are attacked like Reginald Denny, then IMO white America has tried long enough to correct to apologize and grovel. The gloves must come off and there must be blood in the streets. A lesson must be taught so severe that it won’t be forgotten for a generation, high powered weaponry and tanks the instrument. Head shots. Kill anybody that brings a torch, a gun, a rock.

    Yesterday, these thugs beat up one of their white guilt rubes for streaming their conference at a church no less. Good. I hope they beat the stupidity and white guilt out of him. On top of that, this supposed, likeable dead “boy’s” mother was involved in armed robbery apparently for selling Michael Brown merchandise and she wasn’t getting a cut. Any wonder where Big Mike learned to act the way he did?

    These are savages and rabid dogs – they’re not rational, they’re of the devil, and they are liars. And they should be treated as such – brutally, if required. I hope it doesn’t come to that, but I’ve seen it too often, experienced it a time or two. I fought back – but thank God they didn’t have a weapon then. I doubt I’d be so lucky now.

    This is not the emancipation King spoke of – it’s Boko Haram. The biggest danger is to Black America. They better wake up. And the mob needs to be put down. And someplace with or without the government, it will.

    I hope Obama is smart enough to know that before lots of people get hurt.

  208. I really hate to put high expectations on a guy who does this for free. But I don’t think I have ever been more excited to read a Rutherford post as I am to see his next one.

  209. Know? It’s all part of the plan.

    Unfortunately, I believe you’re right. People who voted for the man should have believed him when he said he intended to radically transform America. Either they weren’t listening closely, or they must approve of the animus Obama now represents. Combine that hatred with malignant narcissism including the inability to admit wrong, and an apparent penchant with tacit white hatred as we act stupidly, and we might have a lethal combination brewing.

  210. To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling conventions. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. ~ Barack Obama

    Sounds a little like Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis all rolled into one.

  211. It’s hilarious that Tex thinks the only intelligent vote is for a Republican but this quote really tickled me

    Throw in the thug precincts stuffing the ballot boxes and the voting dead, that leaves very little room for error for a national Republican candidate.

    Worry not Tex. Any ballot box stuffing is counteracted by deliberate GOP voter suppression efforts. It all evens out in the end. 🙂

  212. This may be hard for you to understand Tex but Obama has not stoked violence. When blacks hear Clinton say “I feel your pain” it doesn’t settle in the same part of the brain as when Obama says essentially the same thing.

    Unless the president NEVER addresses race, the dynamic with a black president is bound to be different from a white one.

  213. I believe what Tigre is saying. The dem “sympathy” with blacks is starting to look like a hustle. The more black GOPers come to the table the more blacks will see an alternative. I believe Utah just elected its first black female Republican house member.

  214. I hate to suggest something quaint but you know who I think Obama needs now? Either his mama or his granddad. I sense they both told him “you ain’t all that”. He is surrounded by yes-men. He needs someone to humble him. Some folks have an ego that needs constant moderation from a skeptical spouse or close family member. Eleanor Roosevelt tried to do that with FDR with varying degrees of success.

  215. Joanie Ernst lives fairly close to us, and I like her laugh. Yes, Utah just elected its first black member. West Virginia elected an eighteen year old college freshman. She was one of the youngest elected representatives.

  216. Joni’s laugh is from a sitcom — arrrrgh.

    Just for clarification James the 18 year old is going to WV state government not the US congress.

    However NY is sending the youngest person ever to the US Congress. She’s a 30 year old pro-life Republican.

  217. Obama showed us what he’s made of when he locked veterans out of the memorials. and used the sequester/budget as a weapon.

  218. R, I don’t think it’s confined to race. The dumb gender “war” is now a laugh line. The class warfare. All of it. And I think Obama will do his best to resurrect the tensions, and God willing, fail.

  219. Alfie, I don’t see any difference in the appointment. Frankly, I don’t know why anyone would want the job at this point.

    Holder is a fucking disgrace.

  220. Worry not Tex. Any ballot box stuffing is counteracted by deliberate GOP voter suppression efforts. It all evens out in the end. 🙂

    Except I’ve got statistical proof that you’re lying, which you do more frequently these days. 🙂 That, or your profoundly ignorant and gullible – the proverbial MSNBC lemming. Which is it?

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/02/06/the-myth-about-democrat-voter-suppression-in-the-2012-elections/

    As to Obama has not stoked violence, try to answer just one question then. You ignored my previous twenty as usual.

    If Obama doesn’t like to stoke black hatred when cornered, why was Al Sharpton the first person Obama met with in the White House after the ass kicking Obama received Tuesday night? Not Boehner or McConnell. Sharpton. What is that criminal piece of shit doing in our White House?

    I suppose Al Sharpton doesn’t stoke white hatred either? Right?

  221. Yes, Rutherford, the college freshman was elected to the state legislature. Elizabeth Holtman (SP) was previously the youngest woman elected to congress in the early 1970’s. She said she was happy the young Republican won and congratulated her, though she wished she had been a Democrat.

  222. Rutherford – I truly don’t get it. How is asking for picture identification tantamount to “voter suppression?”

    It would seem to me that the reverse is true: allowing people to vote without ID is equivalent to abetting voter fraud by facilitating voting by people who are not eligible.

    What am I missing? Where is the logical mistake there? The whole world demands ID for things as trivial as flying, driving, using a credit card. What could be more world-changing than electing a leader? The whole voter-ID dustup seems disingenuous – your Democrats know precisely why they want illegals to vote – they think they’ll vote Democrat.

  223. https://twitter.com/hashtag/pointergate?src=hash

    A television station reported that the mayor of Minneapolis flashed a gang sign while posing with a felon, Twitchy had a lot of fun with it. Someone posted a picture of Snoop Dog flashing a sign with a known felon, Martha Stewart, and Bill Clinton doing the same with another felon, Nelson Mandela. Our grand daughter makes the same sign, but not with felons so far as we know,

  224. Another missed first is had Sarah Palin become president, she would have been the first chief executive with Eskimo (Inuit) genes in her family.

  225. The Washington Post reported that more than 14% of non- citizens in 2008 and 2010 samples said they were registered to vote. Some of them did vote. The reporters’ guess based on extrapolation from the sample and the verified vote that 6.4% of non- citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2% voted in 2010. “We find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections,”

    The data came from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study. More than 80% of the non- citizens voted Democratic. They could have elected Al Frankin who won with 312 votes. Votes by .65% of the non- citizens could have been enough to let him win,

    More than 75% of the illegal voters said they had been asked to provide photo ID and still voted. Many of them thought they could legally vote,

  226. James your last establishes an interesting point. That a number of illegal aliens honestly believed they were somehow eligible to vote is something to see in both a positive and negative light.

  227. An imposition but one I hope not too far out of line.
    As a matter of some real world work I’ve been trying to get a man on the street opinion on the who is what in the Middle East.
    Israel,Saudi Arabia,Qatar,Iran,Bahrain,Lebanon and Jordan are the players. On an ally/enemy good for us /bad for us scale of 1 to 7 how do you rate these countries?
    I appreciate anyone’s response and take no offence if nobody wishes to offer an opinion.

  228. James,

    Rutherford’s voting base is so ignorant, so utterly helpless and child like they can’t be expected to meet the same standard it takes to buy a forty ounce of Mickey’s.

    That being said, for obvious reasons, Rutherford wants these lemurs’ votes to count and doesn’t care if the cost is your vote being cheated. So he’d rather sacrifice the integrity of our democracy because people who vote Democrat are idiots on a level that is hard to fathom.

  229. Hate to let you in on this Tex but Sharpton’s visit to the WH along with other civil rights leaders had been scheduled prior to the election.

    Obama didn’t see the election results and then jump on the phone to call his favorite race baiter to plan a riot.

    You’ve become as paranoid racially as any black man.

    In fact one fascinating aspect of this board is how many whites here, all relatively comfortable in their lives, feel put upon by the black man. It’s almost odder than black victim pathology.

  230. Rutherford – I truly don’t get it. How is asking for picture identification tantamount to “voter suppression?”

    You know full well the legislation doesn’t stop at id. It includes reduction/elimination of early voting and elimination of same day registration.

    Here’s the deal. I FAVOR identification. But that means it must be made as easy as farting to get your id. You dismiss claims of hardship but you’re lying, perhaps to yourself. TX allows a gun permit to be valid id but a student school id with picture is not? That’s absurd.

    The other measures (no same day registration) actually hurt EVERYBODY. And all for a voter fraud problem so minuscule as to be nonexistent.

    I’m for voter id. EVERYONE upon their 18th birthday is issued an ID card. Problem solved. Every legal resident is mailed a ballot (like in CO and WA). Better yet, perfect (verb not adjective) computer based voting so 90% of the populace can vote from the comfort of home.

  231. I don’t have time for any more comments, but this is for you, Rutherford, whites as you have never before seen them, and I share some genes with them.

  232. Alfie, you left out Turkey. I’d put Saudi Arabia and Israel as the worse in long term harm to the republic’s denizen, yet are the most cozy in bed with our so called leaders.

  233. Alfie assuming 7 is good and 1 is bad:
    Israel 6
    Saudi Arabia 4
    Qatar don’t know enough for an opinion
    Iran 3.5
    Bahrain don’t know enough for an opinion
    Lebanon don’t know enough for an opinion
    Jordan 6

  234. I have suggested computerized voting before but it didn’t receive any votes of confidence. It could be done easily and like one big cooperative video game. I think it would be more transparent and accurate than what we have going on now.

  235. Russian veps who are genetically and physically almost identical to Ice age “Cro magnon” people. They call themselves “white American Indians.” They like their cousins the Sami and similar enclaves are fighting extinction in positive ways. Blacks could learn from them. Sorry for the clutter, but your white comment touched a nerve and these videos are the result.

  236. Dead Rabbit sometimes your stupidity is boundless. Voting seems to me to be a lot like the criminal justice system. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent man be imprisoned. Better an ineligible man be allowed to vote than any man be denied the birthright we have all fought so hard for.

    I also think it’s an utter farce that what little fraud there is is limited to Dems. Pure fucking nonsense.

    Finally I think it should bother you tens times more how few people participate in our democracy. Fuck fraud Rabbit. How bout the fact that only 33% helped decide the 2015 make up of Congress. You call that a democracy?

    But no, once again you’d rather spend your time worrying about black people gettin’ over. What a fool.

  237. Every legal resident is mailed a ballot (like in CO and WA).

    Um, WRONG. They are mailed to registered voters…including a LOT of dead ones, many of whom seem to be exercising the franchise just fine. ESPECIALLY in King County.

    Fuck your “miniscule” fraud. The Dems stole two gubanatorial elections since we went to mail in ballots, and now we have Jay “The Earth Has a Fever” Inslee following Christine Gregoire in the governor’s mansion in Olympia, instead of someone reasonably competent and plugged in to issues that the people who actually pay the freight give a shit about.

  238. Asking a black man to have ID is beyond his capability but Rutherford calls me the fool.

    Every fraudulent vote disenfranchises somebody.

    I’d rather see the dumb ass that can’t conjure up an ID be blocked si that maybe another Obama disaster doesn’t happen.

    Are you saying a gun registration is ID in Texas or a conceal weapons ID card issued by the state government with picture?

    I had a massive doe right in front of me but didn’t nab him because I was playing on my phone lastt night. I’m pathetic.

  239. I had a massive doe right in front of me but didn’t nab him because I was playing on my phone lastt night. I’m pathetic.

    I’m sure the doe was laughing her ass off at you too. She then told her girlfriend that you’re an example of the war on women. I read somewhere that Wendy Davis got 96% of the doe vote.

    Rabbit … Voting should be easy, not hard. It’s as simple as that.

    Aside to BiC how come fraud never plays a role when your guy wins? Democracy ain’t a good system for sore losers.

  240. Newsbusters commented on Johnathan Gruber one of the architects of ObamaCare. His latest embarrassing video surfaced last week.

    He said about passing ObamaCare. “You can’t do it politically. You just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing…I mean. This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay so it was written to do that…Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever but what was really critical was to get this thing to pass…”

    I would rather see a few legitimate people lose their votes than have frauds vote, especially if they voted for liberals like Johathan. According the the article I quoted, only a few fake votes can change the results of an election. Both sides steal votes, but most violations seem to come from liberals.

  241. Rutherford, it bothers me how MANY people vote. Many of them know little of whom and what they are voting . Rutherford and I agreed about that.

  242. Cross posted from my comment at Alfie’s:

    Alfie, admittedly I’m a dumbass. My response to you assumed your wanted a rating on a 1 to 7 scale, not an ordered list of 1 to 7. So here goes my two cents again in the manner you were intending (from best ally to worst):

    Israel
    Jordan
    Saudi Arabia
    Iran
    For Qatar, Bahrain and Lebanon, I’m not up to speed enough to have even a slightly educated opinion.

    I think Israel’s belligerence puts us in a slightly sticky place as their BFF but I also believe their attitude toward democracy puts them at the head of the pack in terms of countries we should support and who support us.

    I am sorely tempted to put Saudi Arabia below Iran but reality dictates we NEED them more than Iran. Get us energy independence and I swap SA and Iran in a heartbeat. Despite the Ayatollah, I’m pretty sure Iran is actually more progressive than SA and a damn better place for women to live.

  243. “Better a guilty man go free than an innocent man be imprisoned. Better an ineligible man be allowed to vote than any man be denied the birthright we have all fought so hard for.”

    Rutherford, please tell me that you don’t really believe that.

    The idea that folks who haven’t contributed a penny to the pool be allowed to vote and in effect decide how other people’s money is spent reminds me of Dr. Franklin’s quote about majority rule: “two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.”

  244. I agree with Rutherford’s top four, but I include the old Lebanon just below Jordan. Next would come Quatar and Beharan for a shallow reason. Some relatives were there and liked the people. I think one of those countries has a mall with an ice skating rink,

    I would put Saudi Arabia ahead of Iran only because we need their oil and other help. Iran is obviously our enemy, but during the Iraqi war, a poll showed Iranians liked the US better than some European countries and more than some Democrats liked us. Iranians have solved the homosexual problem. They give them sex changes. Saudi Arabia still won’t let women drive. I think they are more enemy than friend. We just need them now.

    As you can tell, I am as ignorant as Rutherford about the Middle East.

  245. “Better an ineligible man be allowed to vote than any man be denied the birthright we have all fought so hard for.”

    Huh? That makes no sense at all. Did you think about this before you typed it or are you just parroting again? If one’s validly cast vote is cancelled out by a fraudulent vote, he IS denied his birth right we all fought for that his vote count.

    And then. . .

    “Aside to BiC how come fraud never plays a role when your guy wins? Democracy ain’t a good system for sore losers.”

    Uh, you lost. We’ve asked for voter ID. Ass hurt much?


    “In fact one fascinating aspect of this board is how many whites here, all relatively comfortable in their lives, feel put upon by the black man. It’s almost odder than black victim pathology.”

    No odder than when the victim pathology is exercised and exploited by you white Dems, relatively comfortable in their lives.

    That was really dumb.

  246. DR you’re being willfully ignorant. Even if you’re not interested in blacks, what about the elderly, many of whom have lost or misplaced the docs necessary to obtain a picture id and who don’t drive in the first place?

  247. The current state of affairs:


    Now that we’ve had our little laugh, lets hope the knuckle-draggers on the Right don’t do what they did in 1994 – squander a massive victory by using it to consolidate their power – instead of doing the People’s Business.

    Somehow these idiots believe that Tuesday’s election victory translates into a national endorsement of their whole “conservative” (yeah, right) agenda.

    News flash, sports – it was a repudiation of this administration’s policies, not a love note to YOU.

    Do a good job and the electorate might – just might – let you stay. You fuck this up and you’ll be where they are – and where you were after you pissed away 1994. And since most of you don’t read much, here it is, spelt out:

    Do something substantive about the US runaway government and cut its size by at least half. Dump the ludicrous tax code and start over. Dump obamacare and start over. Stop being policeman for the world. Do something about your goddamned schools.

    Leave social issues to the states and individual conscience. Give it up about gay marriage – you just look churlish. Relax about pot – maybe even have a toke yourselves. Let people make up their own minds about abortion.

    Simple, isn’t it? Even the Right can understand it. But like most free things, free advice is worth what you pay for it. There’s not a chance in hell they will learn anything, any more than the other side did when they were in power. Things just weren’t bad enough this time around. Maybe next time.

  248. At least in Texas, the bane of “voter suppression” (chuckle), voting by mail allows people to evade the photo-ID regulation as long as they can prove they are either disabled, aged 65 or older, travelling or confined in jail.

    DR, this is about your interest in blacks. Get it together you racist.

  249. Rutherford, you made me mad enough to clutter your blog with three videos which I hope you watched. Those people are in some ways as bad off as blacks, but they react more positively and use their anger without drawing the victim card so often. Unlike Native Americans, they have managed to preserve much of their culture and religion which resembles Indian and Inuit attitudes and values. They could teach Democratic reservation blacks a thing or two.

    Newsbusters “Pelosi and Salon Writer agree: Voter Suppression Explains Dems’ Midterms debacle.” Voter suppression “in leftists minds encompasses far more than proactively stopping someone from registering to vote or voting. Its a condition that will exist until they get what they consider to be an acceptable level of (leftist) voter turnout. Adams probably isn’t far off when he writes that ‘in the end they’d probably want people to be able to vote sitting at home using their television remote controls over the course of two months'”.

    Voter suppression is the new issue to replace a war against women etc. which ran their course. The landscape looks familiar. it resembles voting in the Soviet Union. If Democrats can’t win office on the merits of their ideology, they will take the elections.

    Rutherford, you are sleeping with socialists and fascists.

    We already established that Obama is a socialist who joined forces with an official party. The dictionary defines what his administration has done as fascist. People who vote for those people must support their views or they are too ignorant to vote .After a night with them, you must have to shower as often as Lady MacBeth washed her hands.

  250. Two things Rutherford. My survey thing is obviously languishing in the WordPress world but is doing ok elsewhere. I wanted to give you some info though as to why the countries that were picked were. This will also apply to pool man. Turkey was not chosen for a couple of reasons. First Erdogan has somewhat squandered Turkeys previously burgeoning importance in the region. Second if you look at Turkey on the ally category they have not altered course in the past two decades. Basically Turkey is Turkey.
    Rutherford for your “don’t know enough for an opinion” nations I offer the following.

    Bahrain is home of the US Fifth Fleet PERIOD. Although the country was a headliner regards domestic protests causing some humiliation for the USA the bottom line is what it is.FIFTH FLEET

    Qatar has been implicated in financing various entities that many deem terror groups. They have also made moves to be engaged diplomatically in the region. They offer a bizarre pivot for the regions traditional parties of Israel,Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    Lebanon is much like Jordan but with a distinct twist. A fragile nation in an important location with outside forces very much in control of its destiny.

  251. Rutherford I wanted to put forth something rooted in your past posts. Many times the demise of the GOP,the return of the Whigs and such were mainstays here. After Tuesday’s midterms there are articles in all the obvious and some of the very unexpected places pondering that the future of the Democrats is very much in question.
    One of the most surprising ones was found at the WaPo written by Dan Balz.
    He puts forth the argument that the midterm elections during the Obama era have gutted the party of the next generation candidates for many offices from the Presidency down to House districts and Governorships.
    I share that piece with you and yours and would love to hear what you as a progressive think. I think it is a credible notion that the youth vote,by definition typically progressive in nature, has been stymied in the (D) plank due to the generational losses handed to the party. I would stipulate that for 2016 races if the GOP types embraced more libertarian leanings it would be very beneficial to them in attracting quality youthful support that the (D)’s would have a hard time countering with Keynesian wet dreams up to and including such crank issues like student loan forgiveness.

  252. Rutherford,

    You make a poor proxy for the black community IMO. Sadly from observation, I have noted Tiger and Rabbit have a better handle on Black America. You’re too sheltered.

    About 90% of the time, your responses to me don’t even address my questions to you. Therefore, I have decided you’re crazy. 😈

    Input from a phone sucks.

  253. DR, this is about your interest in blacks. Get it together you racist.

    RIF It was Rabbit who asked me why pic id’s are so hard for “you people”. Oh I’m sorry, he meant liberals not blacks. My bad. 🙄

  254. James don’t get me wrong. I think some of the recent state legislation makes it harder to vote but I don’t blame the midterm loss on that.

    We lost because liberals are stupid and lazy. They like Hollywood and the Prez election is Hollywood. The midterms are just boring governance.

    If Obamacare goes down and the pres-o-dent gets impeached, I don’t want to hear a goddam thing from liberals. They could have stopped it but they flapped their lips and stayed on their asses.

    Libs confuse talking with action.

  255. Lebanon is much like Jordan but with a distinct twist. A fragile nation in an important location with outside forces very much in control of its destiny.

    Alfie hasn’t Lebanon been a state sponsor of terrorism? I don’t believe that can be said of Jordan. I’m thinking Hezbollah but maybe I’m confused.

  256. Rutherford I wanted to put forth something rooted in your past posts.

    Alfie I’ll read the piece later but suffice it to say I think Rand Paul may be the very threat you speak of vis-a-vis the Dem youth vote.

  257. Therefore, I have decided you’re crazy.

    LOL You may have stumbled upon something there.

    I don’t speak FOR blacks. Never have. You’re the one making me a proxy. And yes Tigre and Rabbit are better hooked up.

    Lately I’ve had little but criticism for “my community” so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

  258. I like your comment about liberals and the election, Rutherford.

    I have noticed your criticism of your “community, but you are not really a part of that culture. You should deservedly be proud of your heritage, but you are mostly one of us. My parents taught me to disregard race.

    alfie knows more that I, but I think Lebanon faced outside influence and aid from Syria. If I remember correctly, the Bush administration pushed democracy and one result was that Hezbollah won the election and became part of the Lebanon government.

  259. “Alfie hasn’t Lebanon been a state sponsor of terrorism? I don’t believe that can be said of Jordan. I’m thinking Hezbollah but maybe I’m confused.”

    Hezbollah has a faction within the government, but they don’t have the numbers inside (or outside) of the system to control it. So, no.

  260. James I come from an odd family where race is concerned. We never lived in black neighborhoods. We rolled the windows up when driving through Harlem. Motown was the “blackest” the music got in our home. I was not allowed to buy James Brown records. I’m actually surprised I got to watch Soul Train.

    My mother grew up in a Harlem where you could sleep under the stars on your fire escape. She was painfully aware of how the area deteriorated.

    My dad worked in Bed-Stuy for 30 years and witnessed its decline culminating in when he was mugged walking from the school to his car. I would’ve quit but he swallowed his fear and kept going back.

    My neighborhood is seeing some “white flight”. More blacks live here than ever before with Indians probably the other big demographic. My daughter and her friends were minding their own business near someone’s apartment and the owner came out and said “what are you black kids up to?” I was angry but conflicted because a part of me thought “shit, this is what comes from hanging with black kids, no matter how nice they might be.” I told my kid to stay away from the lady’s apartment.

    To make a long story short James, my experience with blacks has been a mixture of sympathy, fear, disgust and disappointment. I will never lose sight of what has been done to blacks in this country. But as an excuse for much of what is going on today, it’s getting old. The fuck who mugged my dad didn’t do it cos his great great great grand pappy was a slave. He did it cos he was a bastard.

  261. R, you definitely ain’t a “you people.” 🙄

    Now, why wouldn’t answer any of my questions? I answer yours.

  262. That’s okay, R. I know you’ll answer all of questions with your well-reasoned next post. So much to digest and abandon the reflexive Obama defenses. This was a Doozy. I’ll wait. We’ll wait. . . for that introspection we were promised. 😆

  263. My ritual is failure. Some how, some way, I get outsmarted.

    I get in the tree stand at 4 in the morning. I freeze my ass off in the dark as coyotes laugh at me 20 feet below. Last morning, and I’m not exaggerating, a Buck fucked right next to my stand. Rutherford, they now fuck next to me. That’s how pathetic it has gotten.

  264. Pasties are Finnish food from the Upper Peninsula but enjoyed all through out Michigan. They taste like dry pot pies with hamburger or venison and either potatoes or rutabagas. No peas.

    They stay hot for a long time wrapped in tin foil and can only be enjoyed doused with gravy. They stick to your ribs. Fine hunting food.

    My brother gets an Arabic version of them made with lamb off a Maronite. They put the Finns’ Pasties to shame. We cook them in my camper in a toaster oven. Delicious washed down with some brown ale home brew. We eat them everytime we go out.

  265. Rutherford, they now fuck next to me. That’s how pathetic it has gotten.

    LOL I wasn’t so far off when I imagined your boy asking you if you ever shot a deer while they were making whoopie.

    Well since your kid has been curious, take him hunting. Sounds like he won’t see any shooting, just a lot of fucking.

  266. Aside to BiC how come fraud never plays a role when your guy wins? Democracy ain’t a good system for sore losers.

    Because Republican auditors don’t “find” boxes of ballots and don’t resist taking dead people and people who have moved off voter rolls.

    In King, Snohomish, and Thurston counties? Notsomuch.

  267. Rutherford, “i’ll never forget what has been done to the blacks in this country. But as an excuse for what is going on today, its getting old.” Lets hope the trend changes for more people.

    Perhaps they could adopt some attitudes and values of Native Americans, Sami, and other people. The Sami joik and some Indian chants have religious significance, but another important part is that when they sing, they become the song. Therefore, they represent the community and it is important not to disgrace their brothers and sisters.

    Imagine what such an attitude would do a disfunctional culture of any race. When I was young, we were taught not to do anything which would make our family look bad. The family name and reputation were as valuable as gold.

    Parker, now those are pasties!.

    Good luck with the hunting, rabbit. Stay as warm as possible.

  268. James I think you struck upon something. The family unit is broken in so many black households so there is NO family honor to uphold. It’s starts with daddies not running out on their families. That has to be the first step.

  269. @ Rutherford you make a good point regards fathers running out of their obligations and creating a cycle that all too often repeats itself.
    That cycle has complexities to it though. I am essentially a real life manifestation of Everclears song Father of Mine and it was indeed formative for me. I adopted chivalry over misogyny and a devotion to my kids well being as opposed to indifference.
    There is something to be said that the “my dad wasn’t around” thing can’t be accepted as a blank check for bad behavior.

  270. There is something to be said that the “my dad wasn’t around” thing can’t be accepted as a blank check for bad behavior.

    Ultimately Alfie we all make choices and while there may be reasons and influencing factors there are no excuses. We can always choose right over wrong.

  271. Muffy, learn the rules.

    It’s ok to call Americans stupid. Just don’t suggest they are lazy, or it will cost you an election.

  272. Big doings at the Taylor household. I’ve got a new title – or soon will have. Father-in-law. 🙂

    Got a good looking son-in-law too. If I could have picked a “kid” for my “kid”, he probably would have been it. Only problem is, assuming my daughter gets an offer at the medical school where he works as resident, I might get to see her once or twice a year. 😦 She’s the apple of daddy’s eye.

    Pretty neat the way young people are doing it these days. My daughter’s girlfriends set her up at the Houston arboretum, somehow had music piped in at a secluded area, the boyfriends and husbands hid in the weeds and then appeared while he proposed amongst a square of rose petals after a dance. My future son was a Texas Wrangler at A&M and man can he dance. All the women swoon – even the old ones like my wife. All the klutzes like me sit around and try to pretend we’re not jealous. Makes guys from my generation feel like inferior scumbags for being so unromantic.

    Mom and Dad were invited to dinner. Mom had to drive 15 miles. Dad had to drive 1,000 miles to eat a hamburger and see a wedding ring.

    My back is sore from sitting.

  273. So the rudder finally fell off after beating bent on Obamacare, hey? I’m actually glad this Gruber goon admitted on camera to America what Libbie brokers think of Americans – we’re stupid. 😆 😆

    Why are people so shocked? Virtually all of us have been telling our blog host for years what Lefty elitists think of us. Hillary Clinton is no different. She knows what is best for all of us.

    Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage – right, “R”?

  274. Thanks, “R”. I’m having a good time at my youngest daughter’s expense. I told my baby that my sister would be “Matron of Honor”, that baby’s big sis thought it a great idea and had accepted the idea, and that ‘baby’ would make a beautiful guest book host. Maybe even get a new dress.

    The youngest one was more excited than the one marrying – until Dad rained on the parade. 😈 My wife’s shoe is still inserted in my small intestine.

    “KNOCK IT OFF!”

    I’ve bet I’ve heard that about a million times in my parental life.

    Fortunately, baby is a joker like her daddy and pays no heed. “It’s going to be a really expensive dress then!!!!!”

  275. Congratulations Tex! I have gained great ‘sons’ through both my girls. It really sinks home when/if they come to you for fatherly advice. The potential is now there to obtain the greater title of grandfather! It will be interesting to see how that title will change your over all world view if/when that happens. Grand kids are awesome!

  276. Grand children are awesome aren’t they Poolman. We just returned from a free veterans breakfast at a local store. A band and grade school kids entertained us. They also gave us colored pictures and notes. Our grand daughter enjoyed waving the flag they gave me.
    Yesterday at this time, my wife and I were home doing outside work. It was 55. This morning, it is 18 with wind earlier gusting to 45 MPH. An inch of snow fell and it caused numerous traffic accidents because the first part melted and refroze on highways.

  277. Miserable day for Veteran’s Day. Got up and put my flag out crack of dawn and the wind is blowing so hard, I could hear wood cracking on the decorative cedar pole it’s attached. {sigh}

    I can handle the cold – even thrive in it on occasion. But I loathe the wind. Why I raked leaves yesterday was a fool’s errand. My front porch is like a cave and holds about half the neighborhood’s leaves, I think. And I’ve never witnessed such a bumper crop of acorns off the oaks. Sounds like hail hitting my neighbor’s roof.

    Hopefully, my wife and I will be blessed with grandchildren – mainly for my incredibly sweet wife. She was such an awesome mother, it brings a smile to my face thinking of her as grandmother, gentle, sweet soul that she is.

  278. I must have been stewing last night because I had a dream that I had to go grocery shopping with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and they made me walk behind them the pushing the cart. He wouldn’t even look at me and she just kept brushing me back with her hand. Bet if I hadn’t awakened I’d have had to pull out the checkbook too.

    It’s emotionally unsatisfying to be impacted by their actions and not understand why these people are doing as they are. At least the Clinton years saw Democrats pretending and trying to hide their nasty, and they knew to stop at going too far. The Obama machine flaunts their contempt for us plebs and for the law, and they will not stop at anything. The closest I can come to understanding them is to peg their motives as credit. They want the credit. And they want to stay in power. So the ends justifies the means I guess.

  279. What a nightmare. You’ve got to learn to adapt your dreams like I have, Muffy. That dream would have created a cattle prod in my hands like magic – the first shot on Reid’s testicles, then I would have melted the wicked witch.

    I think the Left has gotten lazy and arrogant. They don’t even attempt to mask the contempt. I honestly think Progs were convinced their ideology had won the day. And for a short time, it had. But they forgot about the second part of the equation. At some time, you’ve got to back up the boasts and perform. And Progs were doomed from that point forward. Prog politics is the essence of failed behavioral traits – that ideology takes away from wo(man’s) most basic desire to achieve and accomplish.

    Progs were always thuggish and immoral. But it takes effort to lie and sustain the propaganda while not gloating about it. Since they thought the war won, they got openly decadent and haughty. Clinton was good at hiding the real lack of achievement and passing off normal business cycles as his achievement. Low information voters still believe him – Hillary rides his coattails. Obama doesn’t know how to do that, frankly because Barack is a low information voter himself – a sham and buffoon, only with a talent to manipulate from a prepared speech.

    I still have not forgotten the Left serenading George Bush as the man walked to the helicopter pad upon exit, seranding, “Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye.”

    I believe Barack Obama deserves his own chorus upon exit – assuming he’s not frogmarched away in cuffs before his time, with Shelly Antoinette thrown threw the doors by the nape of her hairy neck. Orgasmic to dream about. At that time, perhaps I’ll call off the dogs. But not until I am absolutely sure I have evened the score.

    This is not a matter of forgiveness. It’s a matter of justice. And a how did Barack put it?

    A teachable moment. 😈

  280. Muffy if you’re having nightmares about Reid and Pelosi then you need a vacation. Maybe a nice tropical location?

    The Obama machine flaunts their contempt for us plebs and for the law, and they will not stop at anything.

    Oh come on! Isn’t this a bit over the top? You sound like Ted Cruz and his “Obama lawlessness”.

    Rand Paul apparently has a piece in the Daily Beast about GOP selective outrage. Ready to impeach over immigration EO’s but nary a whisper about our unauthorized war on ISIL. What say you Muffy about that?

  281. Tex you can’t have it both ways. Either government influences business cycles or it doesn’t. You can’t blame Obama for his economy and not credit Clinton for his.

  282. Sure I can, Rutherford. Because how many times have I stated right here the only thing the federal government capable in the way of increasing productivity, therefore helping to create wealth through employment, is to either enhance or assist in repairing the business environment, or in the case of Clinton, to leave it alone: less regulation, addressing inflation through the power of the Fed, providing the infrastructure, etc…

    The only one in my lifetime to do that was Reagan and Volcker.

    If you want me to give Clinton credit for not monkeying with free enterprise, okay. Clinton played a part in helping to minimize government influence.

    But that’s a long way off from giving Clinton credit for a surplus. I defy you to tell me one piece of Clinton legislation that did so.

    Leave the economy alone, and it will repair itself assuming the environment conducive to repair.

  283. Should the gov intervene when the environment is not “conducive to repair”?

    Well I’ll give you points for integrity Tex. At least you’re not giving the Clinton GOP congress credit for the surplus.

  284. Sorry to be an Ebenezer but why does the Christmas season have to begin right after Halloween? I can accept the day after Thanksgiving but “Jingle Bells” the day after Halloween? Give me a break.

  285. Should the gov intervene when the environment is not “conducive to repair”?

    Only when the government caused the “poor environment” to begin with, assisted by their banker cronies on Wall Street ’93/14′ – like millions of bad loans driven by the selling of bundled bad paper. I would like to have seen banks eat more of it to be honest. Still would.

    Clinton and the Republican Congress did a pretty good job of controlling gov’t costs…the bane of George Bush Jr.. But I still think George a patriot and good guy – which I believe he has proven since 2008.

    Obama just sucks donkey kong all the way around. He has no redeeming qualities.

  286. “You can’t blame Obama for his economy and not credit Clinton for his.”

    Likewise, you can’t blame Bush Jr. for Obama’s economy and not credit Bush Sr. for Clinton’s.

    What would Clinton’s economy have been without the opening up of the Internet to the masses and the idea of a PC in every home with which to access it? I think it is arguable that these things, done during the Bush Sr. presidency, were factors in Clinton’s economic success.

  287. Parker this is the first time I’ve heard of Silk Road. I’m not a fan of selling illegal drugs though I am in favor of changes in drug laws.

    The most interesting point in the article was that any alternative commerce venue will attract drug sales. Just as the free internet provides all the porn anyone could want.

    DPR is obviously a philosopher, not just a businessman. Ultimately, he will fail. We humans are two weak to create the society he envisions. Just the fact that the gov fabricated charges (murder) against him shows how the power structure will crush him and everyone like him.

  288. I’m about to explode. Back in September my kid loses her ipod charging cable. We’ve got other cables but they are 30 pin and don’t work with the newer iPods and iPhones. I order a set of 3 30 pin to lightening adapters from China for 13.00. They never arrive. Company gives me my money back and I cave and tell my wife to buy the adapter at the Apple store.

    Big mistake. 40 fucking dollars for one adapter. Worst part – kid left original cable at friends house and friend claims it’s not there. Yeah right. I can’t prove she’s pulling a “finders keepers” routine but my gut is 100% sure. I wanted to march to the kids apartment and demand my cable back but my kid begged me not to.

    I’ve been stewing for 2 months and today’s 40 dollar expenditure just raised my blood pressure again.

    Thanks for listening to my venting.

  289. What would Clinton’s economy have been without the opening up of the Internet to the masses and the idea of a PC in every home with which to access it? I think it is arguable that these things, done during the Bush Sr. presidency, were factors in Clinton’s economic success.

    I thought Gore invented the internet? 🙂

  290. …you have no idea how many times I have to tell parents that their kids smart phone and any accessories are not my problem.

    I don’t give a shit if Johnny lost his adapter in my room.

    I have a kid who refuses to do any work and won’t pay attention.

    The parents solution: Put Johnny on mind altering drugs for ADHD and buy him a massive Iphone that distracts him even more.

    I take his smart phone away from him (he was playing video games on it while texting his buddies) and tell him his parents can pick it up in the office if he wants it back. He’s failing out of high-school, mind you. Who do you think the parents are really upset at?

  291. Yeah I hear you Rabbit. Fortunately my kid’s use of the device hasn’t become a problem. What’s troubling though is how young these kids are to be using these sophisticated devices.

    It was WWIII around here until I finally resuscitated my old iPhone 3 and let her use that. Funny thing is the kid still prefers text to talking on the phone.

    So now at almost 11 she has her own laptop, an iPhone 3GS and a fifth generation iPod. When I was her age I had a rotary phone in my bedroom.

  292. Tigre I watched the Attkisson interview. Not Chris Hayes finest moment. Had the Bush admin gotten the same accusation Hayes would have been all over it with zero skepticism.

    I know for a fact that what happened to Attkisson was no stuck backspace key and for any techie to claim otherwise is disgusting. Computers CAN be taken over remotely.

  293. “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure the CBO did not score the mandate as taxes,” said Gruber. “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. Call it the stupidity of the America voter, or whatever.”

    Most of us with brains screamed this to anyone who would listen.

    Never forget the lying lib. Never.

    Never despised an administration like I do this one and hope I never will again.

  294. Congrats to Tex.

    I don’t know anything about daughters or sisters. I’m guessing there are some major mixed emotions with something like that.

    I would tell that perfect motherfucker he better stay perfect.

  295. Sorry to be an Ebenezer but why does the Christmas season have to begin right after Halloween?

    Where have you been? That’s marketing my friend. The drum beat of capitalism über alles.

  296. Fortunately my kid’s use of the device hasn’t become a problem.

    Yet. Or is this the my kid is different logic loop? 🙄 These devices disrupt on many levels. Marketing makes them essential.

  297. Pools I honestly don’t think I have a huge blind spot where my daughter is concerned. I can be a real hard ass.

    I don’t worry too much about what she watches. She’s good at discerning fantasy from reality. She’s more naturally prudish than either of her parents. As I’ve suggested she’s the Alex P. Keaton of the family – a natural conservative.

  298. Attkisson sure comes off as credible. Hayes looked like the hack that he is. Kind of reminded me of when he did all that sneering and fake nervous laughter when Weiner got caught a second time and he was saying it was made up by the right.

    I don’t get what you see in that weird little Muppet.

    Don’t the allegations made by Attkisson bother you?

  299. Don’t the allegations made by Attkisson bother you?

    Of course they do.

    Whatever one thinks of Obama the man, his admin has been a grave disappointment to those of us who truly believed in change.

    While I think Muffy went overboard earlier there is no doubt that claiming the Obama admin is no worse than predecessors is damning by faint praise.

    Chuck Todd has a new book about Obama called “The Stranger” and it is a most depressing look at the Obama WH.

  300. Don’t know if this got mentioned here yet, but….

    IRS Admits to Court it Hasn’t Searched for Missing Lerner Emails

    “IRS attorneys conceded that they had failed to search the agency’s servers for missing emails because they decided that “the servers would not result in the recovery of any information.” They admitted they had failed to search the agency’s disaster recovery tapes because they had “no reason to believe that the tapes are a potential source of recovering” the missing emails. And they conceded that they had not searched the government-wide back-up system because they had “no reason to believe such a system … even exists.””

  301. I thought that special on FOX, ‘The man who killed UBL’ was pretty riveting. I guess being a dad, the ‘dad part’ hit home. Good stuff. FOX did a nice job.

    The rest of the sorry media is trying to marginalize it, of course.

  302. R, it’s a perverse bias. Not just a strange approach.

    She made him look like a total idiot.

    Not that he needed help.

  303. “Whatever one thinks of Obama the man, his admin has been a grave disappointment to those of us who truly believed in change.”

    They are one and the same.

    It’s no wonder the cult of personality takes hold in the left when its concept of leadership allows it to separate the man from the entities he leads.


    Tex, I saw some of that FOX special last night and hated it. I didn’t catch the explanation for his going to the media (if he made one), but the background music and sappy dramatization were too much for me.

    Plus we all know it was Obama that took out Bin Laden. 🙄

  304. The rest of the sorry media is trying to marginalize it, of course.

    I’m a bit surprised you’re not offended that the SEAL broke the convention of not bragging on the record. Some of his own teammates are quite pissed off about it.

  305. It’s no wonder the cult of personality takes hold in the left when its concept of leadership allows it to separate the man from the entities he leads.

    To be fair I apply the same standard to Bush. I think he got very bad advice while in office. In retrospect I find him a decent guy.

  306. Plus we all know it was Obama that took out Bin Laden. 🙄

    You can roll your eyes all you want but I assure you the subtext of the Fox special was “Obama didn’t do shit”. I’m sure on a subliminal level that’s one reason Tex loved it.

  307. “To be fair I apply the same standard to Bush. I think he got very bad advice while in office. In retrospect I find him a decent guy.”

    You ought to consider holding Bush and all of our leaders accountable.

  308. “You can roll your eyes all you want but I assure you the subtext of the Fox special was “Obama didn’t do shit”.”

    Agreed.

    And the subtext of Obama’s MSNBC-amplified self-aggrandizement afterword was designed to make it sound like that pussy killed Bin Laden with his bare hands. It needed a second eye roll.

  309. Well I’ll give you this much Tigre, if Obama refers to himself as CIC one more time I’m gonna pop. “I know who the fuck you are!”

    I’m surprised you haven’t commented yet on gum-gate. LOL

  310. You can roll your eyes all you want but I assure you the subtext of the Fox special was “Obama didn’t do shit”. I’m sure on a subliminal level that’s one reason Tex loved it.

    To the best of my knowledge, the Failed One wasn’t even mentioned last night. Not that I remember anyway.

    Osama dying under Obama’s tutelage was serendipity – and that’s the Failed One’s greatest achievement. SEALS loathe the POS – don’t believe me, read ‘Lone Survivor.’ Everyone not intellectually dishonest and a political hack realizes Obama, like every other President and that would have included even Jimmy Carter, gave the order. Big deal. Bidenesque.

  311. Babies can communicate with means other than words. From the beginning, we learn how to understand what they are telling us.

    Even a baby could understand that Obama did about as much to get bin ladin as he did in the Illinois legislature.

    Our administration thinks we are all stupid. Gruber just said it in an unguarded moment. Consider how Obama expects us to believe his scandals and failures are such a surprise his rage rattles White House walls. Up until now, it has worked.

    A writer for Huffington said the liberals lost because Republicans are traitors who should be branded by the term. A lot of scary people are trying to run our lives, and stupid people put them in power.

  312. I have a side to me that likes those personal interest stories, Tigre. Matter of taste. I can see how good men would have not liked it. I thought the best part was the father – the SEAL didn’t come off to me as anything but straight shooter and pretty ordinary doing something extraordinary.

    As to Rutherford’s point, this SEAL is like Snowden to me. I have mixed feelings about what he is doing. On one hand, there is ‘the code of silence.’ On the other, our government was secretive and cowardly about not sharing with the American public how it went down – and we deserve to know. We’re paying for this, and there’s not a damn thing going to be breached about national security.

  313. A lot of scary people are trying to run our lives, and stupid people put them in power.

    Agree 100% – true words, Mr. James. Stupid, uninformed people is what ails this country.

  314. James Morning Joe cracked me up today. Along with Gruber’s revealing comment we had Haley Barbour calling Obama’s policies a “tar baby” and then Charlie Rangel referring to Republicans as “white crackers”. Rangel said he thought it was a term of endearment.

    I fell over laughing. Everybody putting foot in mouth lately.

    In related news, recent survey says increasing number of blacks using the N word. Makes me not wanna get out of bed in the morning. World has gone mad. 😦

  315. However, unlike your assessment of Bush, I don’t find Obama a decent guy. He is a little man of extraordinarily weak character. He diminishes the office that he holds and therefore the people that he leads. Though you’d never know it, that includes you, me, Tex, DR, Huck. James and all the other “white guys” he hates except Pfuckface who tells us he’s Australian. Muffy is of course a “white chick” that doesn’t hate us “white guys” and is therefore equally loathed by the CIC, a/k/a The Big Boss Man that’d spit in our faces while he embraces the Ayatollah.

    R, serious question: did you watch any part of the FOX special or are you relying on the MSNBC narrative on it? As with Tex, I can say that the portion I watched made no mention of Obama at all — and frankly I didn’t see even inferentially the subtext that you claim. I retract my sarcastic “agreed” and replace it with a “it is?”

    Tex, I just don’t like the Olympic-athlete “human interest” format. Get rid of the music and the dramatic shit and I would find more tolerable.

    Time to find out what the “gum gate” is all about.

  316. Tar baby, hey? LOL Well, better than Little Black Sambo, I suppose. And white cracker a term of endearment? ** GUFFAW ** Like Oreo.

    Rangel has always been a profoundly ignorant likeable scumbag and crook, unlike Rev Je$$e and $harpton. Charlie even looks like a greaser from the Roaring 30s. He reminds me of the black version of James Traficant – and should have been in the pen 40 years ago.

    Anybody with the audacity to oversee the Committee writing tax law while being a tax cheat has some brass ones. Now that’s a tried and true Dim, mafia style. I kind of admire visible crooks that wear a smile. Biggest shame is Charlie probably has done more to help turn Harlem into a stifling shit hole than anybody of the last century.

  317. “Rand Paul apparently has a piece in the Daily Beast about GOP selective outrage. Ready to impeach over immigration EO’s but nary a whisper about our unauthorized war on ISIL. What say you Muffy about that?”

    I say Obama’s unauthorized war is another example of his invariable unwillingness to do anything on the up and up. I commented here about similar behavior during the Arab spring (specifically Libya.)

    “While I think Muffy went overboard earlier there is no doubt that claiming the Obama admin is no worse than predecessors is damning by faint praise.”

    R, your under-reactions to the reckless and malicious behavior on the part of this administration are easily as vexing as are said “overboard” responses to getting fucked over by a laughing goon. It’s that flippancy that makes me think that you care less about injustice and fairness, though you speak of it often enough, and more about “winning,” whatever you think that means.

    The conduct of these people doesn’t displease me. My reaction to Gruber’s remarks are nothing short of an appeal to a standard of behavior that I expect grown men and women of good character to know about.

  318. Gum gate. Took me a while to find it. Awesome. Putin chivalrous with his coat, Obama chewing gum offends Chinese.

    Business as usual.

    I assume you’re outraged by the outrage. Again, business as usual.

    I wonder if you understand how little Obama is respected internationally.

  319. “Rand Paul apparently has a piece in the Daily Beast about GOP selective outrage.”

    Rutherford I just got around to reading this. Who told you the piece was “about GOP selective outrage??” I knew when you used the word “apparently” that you hadn’t read it yourself but characterizing it as a piece “about GOP selective outrage” is making me want to use the word “parrot” in a sentence.

    But I won’t. It WAS a good read.

    “It’s time for conservatives to say enough is enough. Obama’s commandeering of Congress’s powers—from making war, to remaking our health-care system—has to stop. There needs to be an across-the-board, consistent defense of the constitutional separation of powers. Nothing less will win the day. That should include this current battle in the Middle East. Taking military action against ISIS is justified. The president acting without Congress is not.”

    What say me? AMEN!

  320. I have a problem with violating a code of silence. Our superiors told us never to reveal what we had seen on a training base. It was no big deal, certainly not now, but mentioning it still makes me feel uncomfortable.

    Yes several people have put their feet in their mouths. The stress must be lowering their inhibitions. Mary Landreau is also feeling uncomfortable as she becomes more vocal with her defense of the Keystone Pipeline.

    A song describes the stupid people we have elected and why they are under stress now. “He can’t even run his own life. I’ll be damned if he will run mine.”

    Why is Little Black Sambo a racist story ? Sambo tricked a group of tigers and used their remains to butter his pancakes. He was a clever boy with no derogatory references in the story I remember.

    Ironically Black Sambo probably had no Negroid genes. He was likely a Caucasian mix. Two waves of Caucasians settled India. The first had darker skin than the more recent settlers in Punjab, but they were still Caucasians. Most Indians are made up of three races…Caucasian, Mongol, and Austro-Asian. Besides the skin color, even southern Indians more closely physically resemble Caucasians or Asians. They might be their own sub race. Asia Finest Discussion Forum

    Any whites who used Sambo as a racist screed were disrespecting their own cousins, not Africans.

  321. I wonder if you understand how little Obama is respected internationally.

    I can assure you that “R” is completely oblivious to the fact that the opinions of Obama run the gamut from loathed to laughed at across this globe. Off hand, I cannot think of one country the U.S. has better relations than it did during Jan 2009. Another mission Obama failed dramatically – and the low information voters unaware. The world impeached Obama 3-4 years ago.

    You’re not going to get that news on ‘Morning with Mika’ and Chaz Maddow.

  322. Muffy you didn’t cherry pick the excerpt that speaks to selective outrage:

    But conservatives can’t simply be angry at the president’s lawlessness when they disagree with his policies. They should end their conspicuous silence about the president’s usurpation of Congress’ sole authority to declare war—even if (especially if) they support going after ISIS, as I do.

    You’re welcome.

  323. Nice dodge. I gave you an out and of course you had to get cute. It’s getting old, Rutherford.

    You said yourself you hadn’t read the article. Yet you knew somehow that it was ” a piece about GOP selective outrage.” Which it was not. Not even a little. Not even the excerpt you posted can be considered “a single excerpt about GOP selective outrage,” much less the whole piece.

    You’re either wrong and original or you’re wrong and a parrot.

    None of which had anything to do with my comment about Gruber’s remarks in the first place.

    You’re about to explode because Apple charged you forty bones to replace a forgotten ipod charger that you’re convinced was stolen from you by your neighbor. You want to stay in bed because blacks use the N-word and you think that’s news. What is that, a joke?

    You’re welcome.

  324. Ooooo Muffy getting snippy.

    Sorry dear, the excerpt I posted was PRECISELY about selective outrage. Paul said you can’t just rail against Obama on matters you disagree. If his behavior is illegal, then he must be called on it across the board. Either the GOP is against “Obama lawlessness” or it isn’t.

    Now, you are right. I had not read the article which is why I said “apparently”. The excerpt I posted was shown on MSNBC and of course they pulled that quote out cos it shows Paul dressing down his own.

    Had you been gracious you would have conceded that the excerpt WAS about selective outrage but didn’t fairly represent the thrust of the piece. Instead you say:

    Not even the excerpt you posted can be considered “a single excerpt about GOP selective outrage,” much less the whole piece.

    If you truly believe this, you need a remedial reading class and a drink to improve your mood.

    My anecdote about the charging cable was simply unloading among friends. If you don’t consider me a friend then ignore future such comments.

    As for the N word, the story was not about blacks using the word. The story was about the use INCREASING. That is what I found depressing.

    Next time you’re tempted to get snippy, get back in bed and get out on the other side. Your bad mood is not my problem.

    P.S. The reason I mentioned the Rand article in the first place was that you were railing against lawlessness and I was pointing out to you that your own party isn’t even consistent on this issue.

  325. R, for a houseplant you do a pretty good weasel impersonation. I’m not the problem. I’m not the hypocrite on the illegal war either. You might be though. Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?

    While you’re of the mind to defend the indefensible, if you have a meaningful response to my clearly stated opinion on the sham that your party is and the hustle you pulled off with the ACA – I’m listening. Otherwise, just say Hi to the teevee people for me won’t ya.

  326. “You do realize Tigre that Putin’s chivalry was also viewed as offensive. The Chinese thought Putin was hitting on her.” -R

    “Putin chivalrous with his coat, Obama chewing gum offends Chinese.” -Tigre

    ??????

    Uh, yeah. I think they edited out the coat maneuver on their state broadcast.


    Did you see the FOX Bin Laden death piece Rutherford?

    Watching tonight. I still don’t see the Obama connection you claimed.

  327. Rutherford, you’re “selective outrage” shtick is really, really lame.

    LOL Tigre you’ve got me between a rock and a hard place. I sooooo want to dis your reading comprehension but …

    “Putin chivalrous with his coat, Obama chewing gum offends Chinese.” -Tigre

    I completely misread that comment and didn’t realize you were saying the part before the comma and after offended the Chinese. I thought you were drawing a contrast.

    When we’re all so busy trying to prove a point it’s easy to not read accurately.

    Which brings me back to Muffy. Just admit when you read the piece you didn’t pay attention to that paragraph. I’m giving it to you. The paragraph doesn’t represent Paul’s core message. But he IS saying his party is selective when they should not be.

  328. Tigre Fox loves to bring on soldiers to either discredit Obama (the Benghazi book) or to minimize him. I haven’t watched the special. Save me the time and tell me if anyone asked “you glad Obama green lighted your mission?” Or did the SEAL say “this was a good call by Obama”. Or was Obama never mentioned? You can draw your own conclusion from the answer.

  329. I read the whole thing. Of course I paid attention to the passage you claim as some sort of cockamamie victory. I read it free from the MSNBC disease of which you are afflicted.

    Your take on the passages is less wayward than your total mischaracterization of the piece. Nonetheless, so adulterated is your secondhand misread that even out of context the passage doesn’t sting like you wish it did. If it did you probably wouldn’t be walking your touché back to “But he IS saying his party is selective when they should not be.” So keep going, very soon you’ll arrive at the right balance.

    Paul makes a good point. This president must be stopped – especially from sending our young people “as commander in chief” (barf) into war with no plans to win. He can’t do that without congress. Think he cares? Nope.

    Do you? Are you hoping your own party’s conspicuous silence and rank hypocrisy concerning illegal warmongering is overlooked? What Say You, Rutherford?

  330. Are you hoping your own party’s conspicuous silence and rank hypocrisy concerning illegal warmongering is overlooked? What Say You, Rutherford?

    I’m actually on record for wondering aloud why in hell we have lost so many lives yet haven’t actually declared war on anyone since WW II.

    Even the Bush Doctrine, which I support, doesn’t involve declaration of war.

    ISIL presents a challenge in that they are a rogue group not supported or willingly harbored by any sovereign nation. In this case we have no formal state to declare war on. So authorization for military force is the best we can do.

    To make a long story short, the Prez cannot make war on anyone he pleases. Congress must authorize it. That’s the constitution.

  331. “I’m actually on record for wondering aloud why in hell we have lost so many lives yet haven’t actually declared war on anyone since WW II.”

    We declared war on Iraq with the approval of Congress.

    R, the only references to Obama that I saw in the FOX killing of Bin Laden piece were at the end when the SEAL talked of standing next to Bin Laden’s body while Obama announced the killing to America. I didn’t watch all of it though. Where are you hearing otherwise? None of what you said appeared anywhere in what I saw.

  332. I missed the part where I was supposed to “draw my own conclusion” from the answer.

    My conclusion: You need to turn off MSNBC and don’t know what you’re talking about again.

  333. After reading the comments this morning, I am convinced more than ever that we should have impeached Obama and several others after Benghazi while realizing that the press would have crucified the impeachers.

    One Democrat stated that the Republicans who won the election are traitors for opposing the president’s policy. Liberal Democrats have a body of work and statements which prove they are serial liars and border on criminality with their stated purpose to change the United States into something our founders didn’t intend.

    The latest event is the American-Chinese global warming agreement. It has nothing to do with global warming. The agreement gives Obama cover to dismantle parts of our society which he opposes, and it gives China a talking point when its citizens complain about smog. The Chinese will not do anything to hurt their economy because the hope for prosperity gives their regime legitimacy.

    The discussion topics here have a common thread. Obama and his allies have usurped their legal authority or misused it and covered their misdeeds with lies.

    Sami singer Sofia Jannok may have been channeling Rush Limbaugh but as I have written, she goes him one better. We are living under
    “an occupying regime.” It still has the capacity to do us harm before the next presidential election.

    Republicans are no angels, but they are better than the people we have now.

  334. We declared war on Iraq with the approval of Congress.

    Did we? I thought that was an authorization to use force. Not the same thing but perhaps a distinction without a difference.

    As for the Fox special, now you’re the one beating a dead horse. I’m simply saying I have little doubt that Fox in their subtle snide way presented the SEAL in such a way as to diminish Obama.

    If it gets repeated again I’ll watch it and see.

  335. “As for the Fox special, now you’re the one beating a dead horse. I’m simply saying I have little doubt that Fox in their subtle snide way presented the SEAL in such a way as to diminish Obama.”

    I know what you’re saying and you’re wrong.

    Seriously. I saw nothing of the sort. I would think others on the mission would have a complaint that he was grabbing the spotlight, breaching a code of SEAL ethics or something, and not being truthful about his role in it all. But there’s no basis for you to go running to Obama’s defense again. You’re not good at it anyway.

    Like I said. I think it’s overly dramatic — sappy really — and Steve Doocey’s son is the reporter that got it and he’s just cutting his teeth so his style is choppy. But I find no fault in Doocey’s son other than that and I think it was engaging. They’re really pimping it out and I’m certain they’ll rebroadcast.

    You should watch for yourself and form your own opinions rather than listen to that brain-rotting propaganda bullshit at MSNBC. It’s making a fool of you.

  336. I don’t believe we have officially declared war since WW11. Korea was a UN police action, and we didn’t declare war in Vietnam. I don’t think we declared war on Iraq or in Bosnia. We did everything but with efforts to get approval and support from domestic politicians and the UN, Police actions have replaced official wars.

  337. How could Fox diminish Obama, except for showing he did not actually kill Osama as was implied by some of his more energetic supporters. Do you remember Obama’s courageous decision against great odds? Do you remember how he uncharacteristically watched the action hour by hour for weeks and months?

  338. No shit James. What is there to attack or defend when it comes to Obama other than his own credit grabbing bullshit?

    Anyway, you said what I was thinking. It’s disappointing that Rutherford not only sees nothing wrong Obama, he’s worried that FOX might say something unflattering.

  339. You should watch for yourself and form your own opinions rather than listen to that brain-rotting propaganda bullshit at MSNBC. It’s making a fool of you.

    Once again you mischaracterize. I haven’t heard a peep about this special on MSNBC. The only reason I even know the special exists is that Tex said he watched it. I’m basing my opinion on knowing Fox’s MO but I could be wrong.

    I haven’t even heard the SEAL discussed on MSNBC. I read about the flack the SEAL is getting, I think, in the Washington Post.

  340. “thought that was an authorization to use force.”

    Well shit, I guess you’re right. It’s referred to officially as The Iraq War. I don’t know what the difference is but at least he went to Congress which is what I understood your gripe to be. Obama doesn’t want to act with Congressional approval. And apparently you want him to go it alone too for reasons that reveal what your motivations in these debates. I’ll let you guess what those might be. “:lol:

  341. Anyway, you said what I was thinking. It’s disappointing that Rutherford not only sees nothing wrong Obama, he’s worried that FOX might say something unflattering.

    Wow, now you’re just being silly. I’ve criticized Obama. I’m “worried”? I don’t need to worry. Fox is anti-Obama 24 7. It’s as dependable as the sun rising.

  342. Rutherford, you shallow, uninformed buffoon. I watched and listened very carefully last night. The only thing said about Obama other than showing him standing at the podium making the announcement, was a compliment.

    The SEAL said, “The man made the call. That took guts.”

    You’re so shell shocked at how much the country has turned on a fraud hiding behind his supposed minority status, one that you’re still personally vested though you won’t admit it, you’re looking for excuse. You should hear the whining and the excuses now being written in the national media about what happened last week. Ever read this Leonard Pitts, cracka hatin’ fellow – appropriately named? What a hoodwinked servant to racialism. He’s begging for the Republicans to impeach Obama because “they can taste it.” A true lackey for Obama failure – it’s personal with you black folk. Just admit it.

    You’re going to have to live with the fact the first black President, whose been held to the lowest of standards for the sole reason he’s half black and lefty, coddled by a corrupt media, has been an abject disaster – especially for your party.

    You know this Gruber clown who called Americans too stupid to understand Obamacare while he manipulated the language; unnecessary since no one but a few Republicans read it? Do you know how much that has been covered outside of FOX News? Zero. The media is corrupt. And still you can’t mask the stink of the Obamas.

    Like I said. You can manipulate a mob and win national elections. But you can’t run a country. You can’t run anything effectively. You’re a party of lowlifes, racialists, failures, megalomaniacs, pervs, and dimwits. And it shows.

  343. but at least he went to Congress which is what I understood your gripe to be. Obama doesn’t want to act with Congressional approval. And apparently you want him to go it alone …

    I’ve read that three times and I’ll be damned if I can decipher it. When it comes to war, I don’t want Obama to go it alone.

    It’s called The Iraq War? Yup we participated in The Vietnam War and the Korean War and the Gulf War. No declarations on our part.

    I think it was on Bloomberg that I heard someone call this ISIL offensive of ours a “Vietnamization” as “advisors” evolve into boots on the ground.

    I think it may have been Alfie who said a few threads ago that declaring war is passé.

  344. The SEAL said, “The man made the call. That took guts.”

    Thank you Tex for saving me the trouble of watching it.

    I stand corrected and I retract my accusation against Fox.

  345. R the POTUS has always enjoyed the ability to protect US interests. Undeclared war is not a modern phenomenon. Congress has a history of shirking its duties. At least once they refused to declare and left the president to do a major operation by executive action alone

  346. Rand Paul’s article was a good read and presents a position Paul has tried to be consistent with. Let me give folks another way to read in2it.
    The next Congress is likely to be an environment hostile to the jr KY senator. He can strike a pose against Obama and the D’s but folks like McCain will be his bigger foes

  347. I haven’t seen the SEAL special but I did hear a segment of him talking to some of the 9/11 victims’ families and I saw him exchanging salutes and hugs accompanied by a voiceover of him talking about why he stepped out from the shadows.

    Closure. I accept his premise that when he donated the shirt he was wearing that night to the memorial he realized then that he could provide some closure by putting a face on the last image Bin Laden saw before he was killed. Juxtaposing this SEAL’s face with Bin Laden’s is something I can appreciate. That the SEAL and his teammates were prepared to die to get it done is a powerful and compelling concept.

  348. I don’t know about Paul, Alfie, as I reserve judgment. I like some of the things Paul says, cringe at others. Kind of like his old man. But I do know this.

    If John McCain is seriously giving consideration to running for President again, then there is at least one Republican Senator dumb enough that he should have a ‘D’ beside his title.

  349. “I’ve read that three times and I’ll be damned if I can decipher it. When it comes to war, I don’t want Obama to go it alone.”

    I’ve read that three times and can’t decipher it.

    I thought you were all for executive orders. You are when it comes damn near everything else. You didn’t think he needed congressional approval when “the red line” was crossed in Syria. So. . . . whatevs.

    When you’re an Obama drone, I guess anything unflattering is an unfair portrayal. No need to watch the FOX piece. Just comment on it. 🙄

  350. I would love for Rutherford to go over to his nearest VFW and explain to all the guys sitting at the bar how we haven’t been in a “war” since the 1940s.

  351. “Thank you Tex for saving me the trouble of watching it.”

    That totally cracks me up. That’s all he needed to know. 😆


    It’s called The Iraq War? Yup we participated in The Vietnam War and the Korean War and the Gulf War. No declarations on our part.

    I recall them being accurately referred to in school as the Vietnam and Korea were called conflicts. I understood the 1991 excursion was called an “invasion.”

    Oh well.

    I would like to know what your gripe is. At what point do you think Obama needs to go to Congress, why, and when? Or are you just riffing off what claimed of the Paul piece?

  352. Try that again:

    “Thank you Tex for saving me the trouble of watching it.”

    That totally cracks me up. That’s all he needed to know. What I said don’t count. Only that there was Obama flattery. 😆


    “It’s called The Iraq War? Yup we participated in The Vietnam War and the Korean War and the Gulf War. No declarations on our part.”

    I recall them being accurately referred to in school as the Vietnam and Korea conflicts. I understood the 1991 excursion was called an “invasion.”

    Oh well.

    I would like to know what your gripe is. At what point do you think Obama needs to go to Congress, why, and when? Or are you just riffing off what claimed of the Paul piece?

  353. I would love for Rutherford to go over to his nearest VFW and explain to all the guys sitting at the bar how we haven’t been in a “war” since the 1940s.

    Huh? I said we haven’t declared war. The guys at the VFW oughta be pissed that in many cases they were part of mission creep.

    I know it’s fiction but one of the overriding themes of MAS*H was “why the hell are we here?” That was Korea. I don’t think too many soldiers asked that question about WW II.

  354. I see that Nancy Pelosi, proud minority leader of Rutherford’s beloved party, was caught in another bald faced lie this morning. In 2009, meeting with Gruber repeatedly and quoting his study about small business – which was later proven fallacious once implemented – and on video.

    In 2014, Pelosi denying she either knew or had met the man. 😈

    Like George Will said, “Roger Ailes should give Gruber his own FOX show. His is the essence of Progressive Politic. Massive government overseen and directed by arrogant academia, believing the bovine masses too stupid to manage their own lives.”

    Yes We Can!

  355. “Of course, the headlines aren’t about Gruber’s remarks. They’re about how “Republicans Seize” on Gruber’s remarks.” -IH

    Ain’t that the truth.

    Pelosi never heard of the guy.

  356. Regards my comment about McCain. Its not a presidential aspiration thing from Sydney that is an issue. Its that the chicken hawk pos will likely chair the foreign relations comm. that will give Rand a headache and a half.

  357. At what point do you think Obama needs to go to Congress, why, and when?

    It’s actually a difficult question. Ideally any act of aggression against the citizens of another country on their soil should require a declaration of war authorized by Congress.

    With ISIL we have Iraq REQUESTING our presence to help them battle insurgents. We can’t very well declare war on Iraq. But aggression there and in Syria should still get a vote by Congress.

    Obama’s red line in Syria in 2013 was a mistake from the get-go. He needed to get congressional backing first.

    The major problem with this “war on terror” is it doesn’t involve sovereign nations. That’s why I’ve always been tempted to call it a militarized police action and not a war.

  358. Gruber was talking about how he and the administration scammed America. Nothing comparable to the reality Romney pointed out that 47% of Americans have a vested interest in a swollen government.

    Gruber gonna get his. Somebody is going to cave his face in.

    Fucking lying liberals. Curses to you fucks. Curses to you.

  359. I can’t tell whether you’re serious about the Gruber – Romney comparison. If not, may God have mercy on your soul.

    You do realize you are one of those stupid voters, don’t you?

  360. No…he’s that fucking stupid, T. He’s serious with that dumb analogy.

    As for Obama usurping Congress on amnesty….. Impeach the tyrant cunt. This is bigger then amenesty.

    There has to be some Dems out there who realise this opens the door to tyrannical decisions that will horrify them in the future, no?

    Obamaists must be stopped. They are no longer even liberals.

    Can’t wait to see who steps up like Brutus on each and everyone of theses anti Rupublic assholes.

    Watch your back R. You are entering new territory, friendo.

    Have you guys seen Pelosi getting caught lying today? Holy shit.

  361. Yeah…Obama administration lied to us all again…they lied about Gruber too.

    Ugh….it us so pointless to even engage these Obamaists. They are fascist.

  362. So Russia is now threatening to start running bomber patrols in the Gulf of Mexico as it continues to pour armor into Ukraine.

    “The Cold War’s been over for 20 years…”

    Oh…and they are talking about revamping their nuke program, too

    “You said that we shouldn’t be passing nuclear deals with Russia…”

    Oh…and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is about millimeters away from recommending US ground troops in Iraq to help the Iraqis retake Mosul and restore the Iraqi border with Syria.

    “You said you think we should have more troops in Iraq right now…”

    Oh…and in case you missed the news that is months old, the US State Dept admitted in June that ISIS has captured ONE OF Saddam’s chemical weapon stockpiles.

    “You said that we should have gone into Iraq, despite the fact that there were no weapons of mass destruction…”

    Did anyone hear the Commander-in-Chief say the words “Islamic State” while Romney was mentioning “the rising tide” of terrorism going on in the Middle East at that time?

    In that clip, which is less than 3 minutes long, Barack Obama has been PROVEN to have been completely wrong on multiple foreign policy issues. And the saddest part about that, is that the millions of Rutherford’s in the country thought Obama’s snarky bullshit in that piece was the knockout blow of the debate.

    “Obama’s red line in Syria in 2013 was a mistake from the get-go.”

    Fixed it for ya.

  363. “There has to be some Dems out there who realise this opens the door to tyrannical decisions that will horrify them in the future, no?”

    There’s been talk of taking him to court over amnesty and if they (GOP) lose the decision then threatening to use the precedent to enact their own agendas when (and yes it will eventually happen at some point) they ever retake the White House.

    That might not scare enough voters, but it might scare enough senators.

  364. Nancy Pelosi’s lie is par for the course. The progs hardly try to compose good lies because they think we are ignorant and stupid as Gruber noted.

    As singer Sofia Jannok said, we are subjected to an occupying regime. Progressives are infecting us with a European ideology.

    The nomenclature describing some of our recent wars may have little to do with it, but maybe it does. A friend returned from Vietnam etc and decided to join the American Legion. The local branch refused him because he had not served in a real war. That discrimination ended long ago, but my friend is still bitter about it after all of these years. He wouldn’t walk across the street to help an Legionaire in trouble.

    We just got home. The temperature is on its way to zero or lower. Several inches of snow may fall on Saturday, and we still have just enough snow to ski on. I feel good about that. In another week autumn and the snow will likely be gone,

  365. Curses to you fucks. Curses to you.

    When I read this I heard Kelsey Grammer yelling it in full Shakespearean emoting.

    DR the reason I aligned Gruber with Romney is they both said something demeaning of a vast number of people. You say Romney told the truth. So did Gruber.

  366. You do realize you are one of those stupid voters, don’t you?

    And according to Romney I want things given to me. I’m in it for the freebies. I don’t want to work for it.

    Both Gruber and Romney insulted me.

  367. The failure in that one debate clip alone is enough to make Obama one of the worst presidents of all time. I’m talking Neville Chamberlain like mockery that rings out forever.

  368. “And according to Romney I want things given to me. I’m in it for the freebies. I don’t want to work for it.” R

    Wrong. Unless you are on the dole or employed by the government. Nice try.

    He was talking about the Dead Rabbit. Not you. And I wasn’t offended at all.

  369. I’d like someone to tell me what is wrong with this Obama logic. Give me a real answer and not a lot of sturm und drang.

    He signs EO. EO has no staying power after his admin. Any legislation passed and signed by Obama overrides EO. So what’s the big fucking deal? He either signs EO and then legislation or he signs legislation without the EO.

    Truth is, the ball is in Congress’s court.

  370. Gruber and Romney both told the truth.

    Gruber told the truth about lying. Hitler did the same kind of “shooting it streight” in Mein Kamph.

    Gruber helped victimize Americans.

    Romeny merely made the same point that Jefferson once made about how subsidies can effect voting.

    Again. Nice try.

  371. Cool. Next GOP Presidency signs a bunch of EOs that last eight years then go away.

    Yeah. That’s how America works.

    Who the fuck were your social studies teachers? I want to Gruber their heads in.

  372. Wrong. Unless you are on the dole or employed by the government. Nice try.

    You’ve lost me. The man said that the 47% predisposed to Obama (and therefore unreachable) are the “takers”. Since when is 47% of the country on the dole? Or employed by gov for that matter?

  373. 47% of the country relies on a government pay check of some kind for survival or have no skin in the game what so ever. It’s crazy but true.

  374. Just to refresh your memory:

    There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. And he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

  375. Cool. Next GOP Presidency signs a bunch of EOs that last eight years then go away.

    Now you’re just being silly. Demand that Congress do their fucking job and write legislation.

  376. Yup. 47% of the country can’t be convicned of a classical liberal message because they are already on the dole.

    Cynical? A little. (Not much).

    Its true.

  377. How is that silly?

    There are many issues conservatives can’t get Congress to pass. What’s your point.

    We demand Congress to do things at the polls. Period.

  378. You don’t even understand the 47% comment. You just know MSNBC says it was mean.

    Harvard at its best, folks.

    Your worse than an asshole. You can’t fucking read.

    With teachers line DR, public education at its best, folks.

  379. Seriously R in all its context I fail to see a problem with the logic behind Romneys statement.
    As for EO’s if one [an order] does something that is irreversible it really doesn’t matter if the action is short lived. In the case of a variant of an amnesty scenario its not like those folks can be re-criminalized at a latter date. In the case of amnesty-lite with an executive department slow down or the like which shatters the rule of law the repercussions caused by realigning that action is really messy.
    With that said I don’t think your [Rutherfords] case stands.

  380. There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.
    Thats pretty close to a political reality in our non true majority election make up.
    who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them,.
    This is classic US Liberal/socialist mantra. A blog that has a host that likes single payer health care can’t possibly think this statement is untrue.
    Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect.
    Again a truth. I’d add that the GOP should look at connecting the dots though. The same 47% is heavily burdened by sales tax and the like and the right should win that argument.
    And so my job is not to worry about those people—I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
    A harshness is present in this one no doubt but that doesn’t take away the truth in it. When you truly believe “you didn’t build that” it is very easy to believe “you can’t build that without government help” and that is not what America,its People or even its government was ever meant to be believing.

  381. “So what’s the big fucking deal?”

    Either the opposition party, fairly elected by the people of the United States, does what Obama wants, or he will illegally override them and do what he wants anyway.

    And you ask what’s the big fucking deal?

    “Demand that Congress do their fucking job and write legislation.”

    That’s only half of congress’s fucking job. The other half is to represent the people. And there is a mechanism in place to judge how well they do that. It’s called an election.

    So, shall we discuss who the American people think did a better fucking job representing them?

  382. “Startling how stupid my fellow Americans are.”

    It’s not startling to everyone, Alfie. Hell, congress drafts legislation to purposely exploit how stupid they are.

    And then laughs about it after the fact….

  383. I wonder if Rutherford realizes the fault in his logic. Let’s assume that Gruber and Romney both insulted the general public as Rutherford insists and ignore what Romney said was both true and did not contain the patronizing remarks of being stupid and economically illiterate.

    Do you realize the dangers Obama sets by doing this now, Rutherford – especially considering he can’t even wait six weeks until sitting a new Congress? But more than that, that Romney clip was run over and over again in every established alphabet media. Gruber’s commentS have been completely ignored by the MSM – once again proving what all of us but you and the occasional dimwits who appear you that are your accomplices have said time and again. The media in America is corrupt, bought and paid for by your party of choice. There is no denial from anybody honest.

    First, we have little security on the southern border. What Obama will accomplish is essentially giving notice that America is no longer a sovereign country – a country without borders. Second, this is entirely unconstitutional – you can always find some “constitutional” hack from Harvard to disagree, but anyone with half a brain and one hour of civics knows Congress makes law. Third, it starts a dangerous precedent. That will mean from here on out, America has declared herself a monarchy – with a winner take all. Frankly, if we allow Obama to get away with this, I see no need for a Congress and we can dismiss with a Constitution.

    Finally, I truly think you Leftists are not thinking this through. This is one issue that I believe will be charged enough that some states may give real consideration to secession – IMO with the perfect right to do so. You can sit comfortably in your apartment in Naperville and not be affected. Millions can’t. And even you would have to admit this is all gamesmanship and politics from a man who can’t deal with defeat and is now going to punish us.

    Is that the legacy you want America’s only black President to be left with? That he tore a country apart? You do realize after that, I can guarantee that there will never be again a chance at harmony for 200 years. And I hope you do realize it will blacks with the most to lose.

  384. Were I the governor of Texas or Arizona, I would be readying a state militia right now, and on the very day Obama grants his executive action, I would send them out to start enforcing the law. Those rounded up would live in tent cities until they went through a process that resembled what Obama would be failing to do, and at the end of that process they would be on a bus headed south.

    And I would dare Barack Obama to do something about it.

    It would be tough to assert executive authority over an issue when his executive action is to ignore that executive authority.

    He’d have to send troops to stop me.

  385. Huck, excellent idea and if the Governor of MO had any sense (he’s a Dim, he doesn’t), he’d be doing much the same in and around Ferguson, MO, with a state militia armed to the teeth. Watch this thing explode while Obama mouths a few platitudes with a wink, and welcomes the instigators to dinner at the White House to talk about race relations. {cough cough} Brother Al, how many lumps of sugar do you need.

    I actually look forward to Jan 2017 even if Hillary Clinton wins just to get this prick out of the White House and off the news. I can’t stand to even look at him anymore. Let Obama go back to the only thing he knows how to do: campaign and hustle.

  386. Rutherford is a carbon copy of a Roman plebeian calling for Caesar. Caesar gets things done after all.

    Chilling.

    How many Rutherfords are there?

  387. Millions, Rabbit. It’s a sickness that our country unfortunately let fester for 50 years – from public policy to public school indoctrination.

    But there might be a little hope, though I doubt it. I think we’ve ventured too far down ‘Yellow Brick Road.’ We’re well on our way to ignoring the Wizard behind the curtain.

    Read this excerpt from a black radio host admitting to truth, then read the article. It nails this Emperor Obama to the wall…

    Ordained minister and radio host Mychal Massie, who is himself black, has memorably written, “I demand respect for the Office of President and a love of our country and her citizenry from the leader entrusted with the governance of same.” Obama, however, is an “elitist Leninist” who displays “disrespect for the sanctity of the office he holds.” Obama (and his wife) “have taken lies, dishonesty, deceit, mendacity, subterfuge, and obfuscation to new depths.” As Massie wrote in a syndicated column titled “Nero in the White House,” “Jimmy Carter will no longer be looked upon as the worst president in American history; Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton will no longer be recognized as the greatest liars in presidential history.” For Obama “has been a failure on every measurable level. His lying is congenital and compounded by socio-psychological factors of his life.” He continues, “Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader.” Under Obama’s debased administration, there can be little doubt that the White House has become a whited sepulcher.

    How to Pick a President

  388. It’s true. I can’t think of one challenge this president has faced in which his course of action wasn’t standing up in front of the American people and lying to us. At every difficult juncture he goes with lying. Everyone one! Even if only makes his job easier for a couple of days.

    They now are bragging about it.

    I’m trying out a new keyboard on the phone. I trying to find a way to decrease the typos. It’s getting to the point that I’m not making any sense due to my poor typing.

  389. Gruber and Romney both told the truth. A large part of the United States is dependent on the government in one form or another.,Many are also too stupid and ignorant to understand what is happening. An unknown number of people are in both groups. The difference is that Romney was making an observation about political reality. Gruber and the Democrats were implementing policy as they lied to fool the stupid people. Then Gruber bragged about it.

  390. This describes the current battle between liberals and conservatives. Obama and his allies through their blindness and hubris found themselves walking on a wire. They over reached and lost it all, or at least most of it for awhile until people forget,.

  391. Gruber and the Democrats were implementing policy as they lied to fool the stupid people. Then Gruber bragged about it.

    Well put, James. The sense of irony is that Gruber was patronizing the very people Rutherford pals around with. It wasn’t most Republicans who were fooled.

  392. Good grief. How profoundly ignorant is John Kerry? No, not ignorant. Stupid. To think this man was 80,000 Ohio votes shy of the Presidency should have given us pause about the state of our country, long before Obama took the seat.

    Kerry said he hopes Iran cooperates in negotiations “not as a matter of coercion but out of mutual respect and out of the interests that we all have for living in a world that is free of nuclear weapons.”

  393. I seem to recall congressional Republicans reaping a terrible result by shutting down the government, but for the life of me I can’t remember what it was.

  394. Either the opposition party, fairly elected by the people of the United States, does what Obama wants, or he will illegally override them and do what he wants anyway.

    Since when are you a constitutional lawyer? Last time I looked EO’s were not illegal and Obama has made fewer than his predecessors.

    If it is “illegal” he can and should be impeached. No one but nutjobs are talking impeachment right now.

    BTW I’m hearing the EO includes increased border security. The EO likely will resemble any legislation that a RESPONSIBLE congress might draft.

  395. “Since when are you a constitutional lawyer? Last time I looked EO’s were not illegal and Obama has made fewer than his predecessors.”

    Last time I looked appeal to authority was a bullshit fallacy worthy of those with no argument.

  396. Rutherford…should a responsible congressman draft or support legislation he knows is contrary to the wants of the people he represents?

  397. Read this excerpt from a black radio host admitting to truth, …

    OMFG. Why can’t you ever pull this stuff from legit media? PJ is propagandist with hair on fire.

    That’s the problem with almost all sources today (including MSNBC). It’s all about confirmation bias. There’s just about no where to go for balanced coverage and everyone imbibes what pleases them and rejects what doesn’t, truth be damned. Lately I watch Maddow as performance art. I would never quote was she says without doing a fact check first.

    But I notice no one here took notice of George Will calling the Iraq war the worst blunder in American history. When he says something you don’t like, suddenly he becomes a liberal. Please I’m ready for my lecture on how George Will isn’t really a conservative.

  398. Last time I looked appeal to authority was a bullshit fallacy worthy of those with no argument.

    Sorry Huck but that’s a dodge. It has nothing to do with appeals to authority. You used the word illegal. Is it? Or is it one of the legit tools in Obama’s tool bag?

    And aren’t you making an appeal to authority in your implicit claim that only congress has the authority to do immigration reform?

  399. Rutherford…should a responsible congressman draft or support legislation he knows is contrary to the wants of the people he represents?

    Glad you asked. Most surveys show SUPPORT for immigration reform with support directly proportional to the number of hurdles the immigrant has to jump through. Congress doing NOTHING is pure politics. A minority oppose it and the majority that support it don’t rank it high priority.

    It’s easier for our cowards in Washington to sit on their hands than to fix the problem. And lately these fools always take the easy way. That should piss you off.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/02/immigration-reform-is-super-popular-heres-why-congress-isnt-listening/

  400. @ Rutherford the opinion polls are dicey at best and even WaPo alludes to it in their respectable reporting.
    We’re talking in bullet points and agenda headlines here. The EO’s Obama is hinting at would be eunuchs with eventual Congressional funding appropriations. That is one of the things that piss me off about it so much. Basically Obama is pushing a bluff across the card table and he’s got nothing in his hand other than tension created by dishonest reporting on the immigration issue.
    Increasing border security is a lark.
    The numbers hailing the skilled labor pool absolutely circumvents the largest bloc of “dreamers”.
    If Obamas actions are not illegal it is undeniable they are unethical and inconsistent with the duties of the President of the United States of America.

  401. Rutherford, in your world, is there anything a president theoretically can’t do via EO?

    Is it kosher for a president to lower or eliminate taxes by publically declaring an end to IRS enforcement?

    Full legalization of marijuana by presidential fiat?

    I don’t care about the number of EOs others have gone with. Pardoning the Thanksgiving turkey ain’t close to usurping Congress on this level. You seriously believe this no big deal?

    Could the president pardon every single illeagal alien or for that matter every federal tax dodger?

    Where does it end. If the American people are so enthusiastic why didn’t they vote that wat las week?

    Allowing 5 million law breakers to break the law is….well…lawless. It’s a big deal. You will regret this one day. We all will.

  402. “Most surveys show SUPPORT for immigration reform with support directly proportional to the number of hurdles the immigrant has to jump through.”

    That doesn’t answer the question. Such surveys don’t account for geography.

    If my state and/or congressional district has a majority of voters that are against something, it is the responsibility of our senator and congressman to support it anyway?

    This is basically a yes/no answer. I noticed that you didn’t give either. Talk about dodging….

    And while it’s easy to assume, considering the current discussion, I am limiting my question to that of immigration reform, you’ll notice my question doesn’t mention that issue.


    “Sorry Huck but that’s a dodge.”

    There was nothing to dodge. You didn’t ask me a question other than the one to disqualify my OPINION, which is really about all of us around here really spout, wouldn’t you agree? It’s gonna get really quiet around here if credentials are needed in a certain area before we can discuss it.

    My OPINION is that it is illegal in this case, because it is not an EO that helps the Executive perform his sworn duties, but, rather, one that helps him skirt his sworn duties. This is not a case of absence of law. There are laws on the books. It’s a case of absence of what the president WANTS to be law. Which is why he won’t wait for the next session. He knows congress can pass a law he won’t like, and then he’ll look bad by vetoing it.

    So save this “congress is all irresponsible politics” horseshit as if Obama is above it all.

  403. It’s worth noting that while congressional behavior is purely political having nothing to do with right and wrong, the same can be said for Obama.

    The truth is with all that ails us, no one really gives a fuck about illegal immigrants, with the possible exception of TX and AZ. So this is low hanging fruit that Obama can use as a notch on his belt … add to his legacy.

    We’re witnessing a power struggle. All the players are selfish in their motives and as usual the American people come last.

  404. His legacy?

    Just wait until the next Republican president dismantles the EPA.

    Yup boys. Rutherford just figured out that checks and balances can be a power struggle.

    No shit sherlock.

    It’s supposed to remain a struggle!

    Your social studies teachers are a disgrace. And I don’t give a shit if MSNBC defends tyranny, Harvard University is a joke too. You are a very immature and short sighted man. Tex says there are millions of you. Fuck this ain’t good.

    You are a short sighted fool. And…as always, you are being played.

    This is going to come back to bite you so bad.

    You know the difference between you and me? When it does I will be on your side.

  405. Oh yeah… Add to his legacy? Add?

    Lol… His legacy is so fucked.

    There we have it. Here is something I can agree with Rutherford. yes…this will add to his legacy.

  406. OH hell, Rutherford. That wasn’t for you. You’re so predictable and pathetic, we all know you’re still standing around with your cock in your hand in front of an Obama poster, no matter how criminal he is. Your time is coming. You’d sell your wife into sex slavery if it would get you an MSNBC groupie job. You’re neither objective or credible. In this particular case, who cares what you think? That was intended for my side.

    Frankly, most of us figured out you were not too perceptive and certainly not fair about five years ago. About much of anything.

  407. We’re witnessing a power struggle.

    No, even Jonathan Turley, a Lib, said tonight what we are witnessing the shredding of the Constitution.

    Be careful what you wish for. 😉

  408. If Obama tries to do Amnesty via executive action, it would not surprise me to see the rallies we saw in 2009-10 come back, calling for his impeachment.

    The majority of the nation want the Republicans–NOT Obama–to set the national agenda. Polls and the recent election confirm this.

    As for legacy, his legacy is set: worst president in the history of the nation. Every statistic confirms this. Gruber has destroyed the one thing Obama has tried to hang his hat on. How you can’t be so thoroughly disgusted with Obama and the Dems, I don’t get. We knew he was lying, but you believed his bullshit. You should feel so duped right now….

  409. No, even Jonathan Turley, a Lib, said tonight what we are witnessing the shredding of the Constitution.

    Citizens United shred the constitution long before Obama did.

    You, Rabbit etal. have your cocks in your hand staring at the corporate logos. It doesn’t matter what Obama does. They are all bought and sold and giving you the illusion they are representing you. They don’t give a flying fuck about you.

    You know who doesn’t need immigration reform? Business. Low wages paid under the table to folks who can’t afford to complain lest they get deported.

    You have the audacity to say I’m being played. Thanks to the Supremes you lost your government.

  410. The sad truth is the folks with their fingers on the pulse of our country’s problems are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, neither of whom can change the system.

  411. Rutherford, nobody is on tape these days laughing and calling our side stupid. We told you things were what they were the entire time. Multiple times….

    It doesn’t have anything to do with 5 old men in the Supreme Court, or the Koch Brothers, or any other Lizzy Warren populist bullshit you’re going to toss out here. When our elected representatives no longer represent us, we replace them. Did you learn nothing 11 days ago?

    You don’t need to answer my simple question—we already know the answer–which is: Not if they want to keep their job.

  412. The sad truth is the folks with their fingers on the pulse of our country’s problems are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, neither of whom can change the system.

    Man, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. I really do. Elizabeth Warren lied about who she is to milk benefits and promotions to become multimillionaire in academia – a pompous ass masquerading as populist – that’s the female Jon Gruber. And Bernie Sanders is an avowed, self-admitted socialist.

    Rutherford? In 2008, I thought you just one of millions of minority and young caught up in a facade. I even told you congratulations thinking finally these vicious lies could be put to rest and America could move forward, myself never realizing how thuggish and incompetent Obama really was. I thought he was going to be Jimmy Carter. I really did.

    By 2012, I realized you were either Peter Pan like naive or simply dishonest – almost the entitled, angry black man. I had lost all respect for you politically because you went from hyperbole to carrying the water for blatant lies – but I never lost respect for you as a person.

    If you’re going to defend a Thug that is now clearly making every effort to tear this country apart and racialize it while ruining it not giving one damn who gets hurt, pitting political foe to the point of civil war; a sociopath and narcissist that uses millions for his own glory and walks over the basic precepts of this country’s foundations; a President that clearly now hates America….

    …then you leave me no choice but to look at you not as political adversary but as the enemy. Do you really want that after these six years?

    It is time for someone in the Democratic Party to stand up and recognize publicly what Obama is doing. I thought at one time you could be a man like that. Did I misjudge you? Or are you simply so hurt and so disappointed that you really are willing to become a supporter of real evil for the sole reason of defending a half black man?

    I thought better of you…I want to still. 😦

  413. ” You, Rabbit etal. have your cocks in your hand staring at the corporate logos. It doesn’t matter what Obama does. They are all bought and sold and giving you the illusion they are representing you.” -R

    Yeah maaaaaaaan….. Corporate logos maaaaaan.

    Text book reaction from a monarchist fan boy: Nihilism.

    Fascists always turn to nihilism when cornered. Always.

    After all, democracy is messy and slow. While the Dear Leader can act fast.

    Rutherford…I’m warning you….all of you arm band Obamaists will pay dearly for this.

  414. Yes, Rutherford, a majority of people want a solution to our immigration problem, but you wrongly imply that they want the liberal solution. That is another liberal lie. If not, please explain why Proposition 88, I think would have granted drivers licenses to illegals in Oregon was defeated with a wide margin.

    Newsbusters has an article, “Who LIed? Jonathan Gruber Linked to Getting Obamacare to Illegal Aliens.”

    “The sad truth is that the folks with their fingers with their pulse of our country’s problems are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders,neither of whom can change the system.” SAY WHAT!!?

    Elizabeth is a thief who stole an affirmative action position in university to enhance her own career. She certainly had her pulse on our problems when she declared that she was the inspiration for Occupy Wall Street. She may have shared their views, but she was lying then too. Liz tried to attach herself to a movement she thought would succeed.

  415. Lizzie claimed to be part Indian to steal a position from a real minority. Ancestory.com says I am up to 6% Finnish and Sami. Its true the Sami share a gene with Native Americans, so does that also make me an Indian?. Some of my small percentage of Asian genes come from those people too. Maybe I harbor enough genes to let me lay claim to a reindeer herd, eh?

    Sami culture and music so resemble Native Americans that some have stolen Sami music and claimed it is Indian–just as Elizabeth has stolen from domestic minorities.

    Rutherford, look at this video of Sofia and a picture of Elizabeth and tell me without laughing that Elizabeth has enough Native American blood to count.

    Sofia is wearing a Sun Ring to ward off evil spirits. After that comment, you need one. The dark side is possessing you. We all need protection from what Sofia calls the occupying regime. She refers to Sweden but it applies here too.

    You owe us an apology.

  416. A rough translation is: “You have locked me in a prison which shrinks like the melting snow. The clock ticks but I am getting nowhere. What goes around comes around. I won’t hate you today, maybe tomorrow.”

    They are singing about the Finnish policy toward Sami people. It also describes our current administration which also wants to lock us in a prison as real as what the Sami describe.

  417. @ Rutherford as a follow up of sorts of my earlier comment.I think you exemplify the typical pro-immigration reform citizen. Sadly that isn’t really a compliment.
    Both the Right and Left are having internal angst over the issue and neither of them are facing reality.
    For example the Right has a spectrum that ranges from the ardent nativists to the folks who believe immigration built the nation.
    To be sure the nativists as a rule are historically incorrect in their position and all too often just racist,ignorant and arrogant in espousing it.
    The conservatives who spout their immigration built the nation schtick in the 21st century parlance of tech jobs green cards are also slightly delusional or outright liars.
    The Lefts spectrum has the open borders crowd flowing to the other end of a different take on the immigration built the nation model. The open border crowd need to be executed quite simply as SOVEREIGNTY MATTERS! The IBTN end for the Left is a stew in my opinion. They seem to have their own range of vote envy,fallacies of working class folks and other feelings based stuff motivating them.
    The Right is wrong because the USA will fail to move forward in relation to other nations with or without importing their citizens due to a number of reasons.
    The Left is wrong because they are failing to recognize that the least desirable level of immigration impacts,hell shreds, key constituencies of theirs.
    Although the bullet points that Obama and others talk about are superficially sound we as a nation are failing to have the immigration and domestic policies discussion we really need to have.

  418. …and to follow up my last let me clear how I see the immigration reform/Executive Order headlines.
    This is textbook diversion politics. You take a worthy topic. Present it as important. Charge it with all the drippings a two party bicameral body could ever dream of or fear and BOOM.
    Right out of the gate the discussion is focused on the wrong points. The citizen sheep are getting into their partisan pens and starting to bleat completely unaware of the fleecing they’re in for.
    C-R-A-Z-Y!!

  419. Mark Steyn wrote “America Alone” in which he argued that immigration will save us from an ossified society which threatens countries like Russia, Japan, and Italy. We need immigrants.

    However “sovereignty matters.” Our past history shows the danger of letting too many immigrants into this country before they can assimilate with the prevailing culture. Other countries have learned the same lesson. Mexico encouraged immigration from the United States to develop Texas and other territories. Western Europe is also beginning to realize the harm done now.

    We need immigrants, but we can afford to pick and choose. Our Korean daughter-in law and her family followed the rules, and they are angry that others step to the head of the line.

    The left cares less about the welfare of new residents than the creation of a new voting constituency. Some business people want immigrants to hold down wages with a surplus of labor.

  420. Dang! Bill Cosby accused of rape and sexual misconduct. Are there any true role models left in this nation? Has corruption fully infiltrated the whole of society? Is that what happens when the top is rotten? Is that the real trickle down effect?

    I’ve long lost confidence in humanity ever righting itself. It just doesn’t happen without spiritual renewal, a tapping into the eternal source of our being. It’s more important for people to be right than righteous. We’re become a nation of naval gazers and no good deed goes unpunished.

  421. James, our weather has finally cooled. I think it was 51 degrees on the patio at sunrise today. Brrrrrr. It’s still in the mid to upper 70’s during the day. Dry with no chance of rain… or any snow of course Just cool enough to put up the shorts and short sleeves for a little while. Clear skies today, they haven’t sent up the cloud making aircraft as of yet.

    A couple days ago they were laying out some ‘clouds’ in the upper atmosphere as our weather person was reporting high level clouds moving into the area. I think all their predictive models and scripts are produced by Raytheon and Northrop Grumman nowadays.

    It seemed like only yesterday clouds were really clouds all forming naturally. But then it seems like only yesterday we were a noble society. Whitewash can no longer cover the decaying structures supporting US.

  422. Poolman, when I was just a kid, maybe a young teenager, I had a friend that went to charity event where Bill Cosby was playing tennis. My friend asked Cosby if he would autograph his tennis ball and Bill Cosby was a complete, bully – and wouldn’t sign it. And it’s not like my friend was being a nuisance. He was just a kid standing in a doorway with a tennis ball and Sharpy in his hand who said, “Mr. Cosby…” I guess Cosby had signed enough and brushed my friend away with ‘Take A Hike’ or something to that regard. I guess the kid’s mother was fit to be tied, because she confirmed it and said worse about Cosby.

    Though Cosby was quite funny in his day, I would bet in real life he’s an arrogant prick and scumbag.

    Tell you another comedian that is a major league dick. Jerry Lewis. Lewis and his second wife (I think), were the guest speakers at a meeting my company paid for – what a pair. Lewis bitched about everything, though he was in the Master Suite at the Palm Springs Desert Motel. No telling what this room cost per night, but guys like you and me would never sniff it. In fairness, Lewis was blown up like a balloon due to medical treatment, but still. And his wife made my Corporation provide her with her choice of toilet paper – she acted like Queen Diva – about like I perceive Michelle Obama acts on a trip. I loathe those kind of people.

    Seems the ply of the toilet paper in the hotel wasn’t to her satisfaction. I’m not kidding. A couple of employees in my Dept. made a trip in a Stretch Limo to go buy toilet paper for her prized organs. 😆

  423. Bob called home one afternoon to see what his wife was making for dinner. “Hello?” said a little girl’s voice.

    “Hi, honey, it’s Daddy,” said Bob. “Is mommy near the phone?”

    “No, Daddy. She’s upstairs in the bedroom with uncle Frank.”

    After a brief pause, Bob said, “But you don’t have an Uncle Frank, honey!”

    “Yes I do. He’s upstairs in the bedroom with Mommy!”

    “Okay, then. Here’s what I want you to do. Put down the phone, run upstairs, knock on the bedroom door and shout in to Mommy and Uncle Frank that my car just pulled up outside the house.”

    “Okay, Daddy!”

    A few minutes later, the little girl came back to the phone.

    “Well, I did what you said, Daddy.”

    “And what happened?”

    “Well, Mommy jumped out of bed with no clothes on and ran around screaming, then she tripped over the rug and went out the front window and now she’s all dead.”

    “Oh my god! What about Uncle Frank?”

    “He jumped out of bed with no clothes on too and he was all scared and he jumped out the back window into the swimming pool, but he must have forgot that you took out all the water last week to clean it, so he hit the bottom of the swimming pool, and now he’s dead too.”

    There was a long pause, then Bob said, “Swimming pool? Is this 555-7039?”

  424. Tex, I had heard differing stories about Jerry Lewis, along with the other well knowns of his time. Celebrity affects people differently, that’s for sure. I did stagehand work for many years and got to see how various known personalities acted behind the curtain. Their interaction with ‘the help’ and their entourage was revealing. From my experience, Reba McEntire was probably most genuine down-to-earth and Gino Vannelli most obnoxious, though a slew of others vie for that prize.

    Regarding the toilet paper that doesn’t surprise me. Local would always provide a runner to do necessary errands and sometimes the litany of oddities celebrity demanded resembled a scavenger hunt. I’ve seen some crazy stuff listed on some of their riders. Sometimes the ‘all’ of Lubbock didn’t contain suitable accommodations.

    I have always found it interesting how many of these huge stars are very short in stature. Napoleon complex is a common syndrome.

  425. When our elected representatives no longer represent us, we replace them.

    What we learned 11 days ago is the exact opposite of what you state. Congressional Republicans have NEVER polled so low yet they increased their presence in the House and Senate. Read this again. Congress at all time low, lower than POTUS, GOP LOWER THAN DEMS, yet GOP dominated the election.

    On a local level a HUGE number of candidates ran unopposed (Google brilliant piece by John Oliver on this).

    So I get two lessons from 11 days ago. Gerrymandering sucks and everybody’s rep is bad except mine.

  426. After all, democracy is messy and slow. While the Dear Leader can act fast.

    Well if you’re gonna go there, that is one reason China gets shit done while we play with ourselves. Now I’m not suggesting we should trade our system for theirs but goddam do we need some fine tuning.

    Eisenhower built the interstate within his 8 years and we can’t do simple maintenance.

  427. James I’d favor Bernie over Liz. Jon Stewart caught Liz in a weasel moment so I’m not a 100% fan. Sanders is unelectable but Tex should admire that the man is honest about his socialism.

  428. I think you exemplify the typical pro-immigration reform citizen. Sadly that isn’t really a compliment.

    Alfie I appreciate your compare and contrast but I couldn’t glean YOUR solution to the problem.

  429. While we’re dissing celebs, you know who is a first class asshole? Dionne Warwick. I saw her in the Catskills back in the day and she insulted the audience. We expect that from Don Rickles, not Dionne Warwick.

    As for Cosby, a man very full of himself harboring a lot of anger. But his message to the black community should not be thrown out with the bathwater.

  430. 1) Rutherford some of my opinions will only exist in my own posts on my own blog. Such is the case of “my solution” to immigration.
    2) Your highway comment is funny on two levels (more really but I’ll hit on 2). First the Interstate Highway System has its roots long before Ike and there are many things one can say about the system both good and bad. For a progressive who would choose to be brutally honest the final analysis would be negative. Second, I will only say that US unions and politicians and voters too being what they are we have seen the dawn of our infrastructure [sf bay bridge] bearing the Made in China tag. Our monuments too but whatever.[MLK as Mao]

  431. For a progressive who would choose to be brutally honest the final analysis would be negative.

    I’d love some elaboration on that. I have no idea where you’re coming from.

  432. “In fact Rabbit, since we landed a man on the moon, what great NATIONAL achievement have we had?” R

    The information revoluton. For better or worse it dwarfs putting a man on the moon 10 fold.

  433. So Poolman, to use your own parlance, has the Devil won?

    He has made numerous gains over humanity as well as many in our generation, but he’s a defeated foe. Though the battle may still be raging, victory has been declared by God and His Christ. The devil only comes to steal, kill, and destroy. He often comes in the form of something good but never leaves without causing pain and sorrow. Many welcome him into their empty lives without understanding the eternal price that will be due.

    Fortunately, my God prepares a feast for me in the midst of my enemies. A FEAST! Life is here to enjoy! Taste and see that the Lord is good.

  434. Rabbit I beg to differ. Although the internet has its roots in gov military communication systems, the info revolution was primarily supported by private enterprise and not by any American national push. Please tell me which POTUS said

    In the next decade there will be a smart phone in every hand. We will do this not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

    LOL

  435. Rutherford, I would prefer Bernie over Liz too. He is at least honest about his socialism, and I haven’t heard of any serious scandals with his name on them.

    I’ll tell you what major achievements we have made since the moon landing. Our grand daughter, the girl who wasn’t supposed to exist or to be born. You don’t know her yet, but you will someday.

    True, her existence and progress are not government related, but there she is.

    Evil has not won the day yet. Moderate to heavy snow is falling, and we should have several inches. I have been skiing. I found a small sled in the wreckage of our garage last summer. We will take it to Omaha and our grand daughter will have her first sled ride before the snow melts in a week or so.

  436. Thanks for the weather report, Poolman. Our first subzero low was -2 yesterday, and we had barely enough snow for skiing. Ice crystals sparkled in the sun. Today, it is 27 with the snow I mentioned. Another cold front will bring blowing and drifting snow later tonight as the snow ends. Monday’s high may not reach 15, and it will be below zero again at night with gusty wind. We all plan to have free meal for me because I am a veteran and for the rest of us to enjoy the food at Golden Coral on Monday evening. If veterans line up into the parking lot as they did last time, we will freeze our appendages.

    Omaha’s average high and low are about 50 and 30.

  437. James and others as I stated before Warren dodged a good question in an interview with Jon Stewart which called into question her voting record vis-a-vis her populist rhetoric. This gives me pause. THIS should be the focus of your attack. Is she a poser?

    But no, you guys seize on this stupid Native American foolishness. That’s one reason why reasonable people don’t take the far right seriously. It’s cos you elevate stupid shit.

    I’ll start with Snopes and post more research if need be. There is ZERO evidence she ever used Native American heritage for advancement.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/warren.asp

  438. That Snopes shit is about the most bogus crap I’ve read in a long time. Look who these hacks use as proof to verify Lizzie is pure – the very people this race whore worked for and with – a bunch of academia hacks.. Good grief, Rutherford. Read that shit again. Why don’t we get on record from Snopes Lois Lerner proving Barack Obama had nothing to do with the IRS thugs.

    This is why I never take you seriously, Peter Pan. 🙄

  439. So we now know the full extent of the WH fence jumper fiasco. I want to know why none of these accounts end with “X people have been fired”.

    A society of zero accountability.

  440. Tex do you know how little sense you just made? We have only two sources of truth. The folks who made the hiring decisions (dreaded academia) and Warren herself. So your position is those with direct knowledge are all lying and those with no knowledge are all telling the truth.

    I’ll say this for you. THAT is a can’t lose debate strategy. Everyone who contradicts you is lying. I might as well throw in the towel right now.

  441. @ Rutherford you actually are not the progressive in question. I offered my words for the broad based stereotypical progressive who collectively is having fits.
    For example elaborations would include:
    The Interstate State Highway system was heavily funded and finally passed into law as a nugget to the MIC,something Ike would rail against in his parting shot.
    The IHS can be seen as part of the destabilization of the US urban centers. In this way The IHS was part of a program that:
    ** Isolated and further segregated minorities
    ** Initiated the bane of our society in some eyes,suburban sprawl
    ** Prompted unbridled development which although prompting much economic
    expansion was still rife with issues.
    The IHS was obsolete the day it opened in many places and not much more so down the road. It chained the states to budget line item forever after.
    Credibly set in cement a transportation infrastructure which is woefully inadequate,disjointed and not likely to adapt to the nations needs.

  442. Elizabeth Warren’s other lies are a given. They don’t really upset me. Her claim to be an inspiration for Occupy Wall Street, is a good example.

    Her native American identity is too blatant to ignore. Schools set up affirmative action to improve the occupational futures of minorities and to make their faculties more diverse.

    Elizabeth Warren Wiki tells us Warren initially denied knowing why Harvard touted her as Native American.

    The Harvard Crimson reported in 1998 that “Harvard Law School currently has only one tenured minority woman, Gottlieb Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren. Prior to the Boston Herald Report, Warren did not mention her being a Native American,

    An internet search showed that George Mason University Law School Professor David Bernstein said that starting in the mid-1980’s when she was at U Penn Law School, Warren had put herself on the MInority Law Teacher list in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools but dropped from the list after she gained tenure at Harvard in 1995.

    Warren refused to tell why she stopped listing herself, though Harvard still boasted that she was their first minority female professor.

    Warren said “I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that it might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something that might happen with people who are like Im. Nothing like that ever happened, that was clearly not the use for it, so I stopped checking it off.”

    “Being Native American has been part of my story, I guess since the day I was born, Said Warren, who never mentioned her Native American heritage on the campaign even as she detailed much of her personal history to voters in speeches, statements and a video. “These are my family stories, I have lived in a family that has talked Native American and talked about tribes since I was a little girl.”

    I;ll tell you why this is a big deal. Universities changed the rules to make some applicants, students and employees more equal than others. I earned a MA with thesis and nine hours toward a PHD in four semesters My grade point average was over 3.70. Two job counselors told me that I was not wanted because I was a Vietnam Era veteran. If I wanted a good teaching position I would have to create a new past and lie about my service.

    My professors had high hopes for me and had already begun to groom me for a slot in the club, but others thought that my background made me unacceptable. I wasn’t the only one. Vietnam Era veterans were later listed as a protected minority in some universities and businesses.

    My aunt was blonde with Asian eyes as are some of my cousins. Does that make me a Sami or Native American? No, Elizabeth Warren’s appearance shows she is not Native American either unless she is from the missing tribe of Blonde Sioux. She looks more like Sofia Jannok than like the lead singer of Brule I posted earlier.

    Liz stole a slot reserved for another.