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Jihadi Cool, Really?

I had a WTF moment this morning while watching Face the Nation. Journalist Clarissa Ward was discussing the ISIL crisis and she said that bored young girls read about Jihadists and are caught up in the romance and adventure of joining their cause. I’m sitting here thinking how did we get from Justin Bieber crushes to crushes on Jihadists?

Then, a guest on Meet the Press used the phrase “jihadi cool”. Are you kidding me? Lopping off heads and enslaving women is the new cool?

You know, I get the “everybody’s doing it” nonsense that leads to smoking, drinking and to a lesser extent drugs. I get the pressures that lead young folk to have reckless sex too young to handle the consequences. As parents, we struggle to navigate our kids through these land mines.

But are you really telling me that now we have to worry that our kids will mistake religious extremist psychopaths for romantic swashbucklers and buy tickets to Syria? Really? Has our society become this bored and stupid?

I can’t believe I’m saying this but I guess the next step is a PSA campaign telling kids it’s not cool to be a Jihadist. Maybe the first one can star Justin Bieber.

What do you think? The bar is open.

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272 thoughts on “Jihadi Cool, Really?

  1. Yup. ISIS has used social media pretty effectively.

    They are edgy cool to many.

    Which makes it so important we turn them extra crispy.

  2. I agree with rabbit.

    We also need to watch what we teach children and teenagers. Many are idealists still beginning to understand who they are. They may not be able to distinguish between realty and fantasy, especially when video worlds compete with their dwindling education fostering national identity. By joining ISIS young women become something larger than themselves.

  3. The perfect Halloween story. ISIS/ISIL/IS has run one of the best pr campaigns of any group to date. They became a household name virtually overnight. We have our government, media, and their owners sponsors to thank for validating and promoting them. Today they hold the lion’s share of msm coverage. That gives them popularity and clout which equates to celebrity with a magnetism attractive to souls without a cause like moths to light. I’m certain much of the hype is meant to keep up the fear level. After all, what provokes outrage more than knowing your society’s young female population wants to join a ‘terror’ movement? I remember when biker gangs were the attraction. lol Now bikers are everyday capitalists and so don’t seem threatening.

    The total degradation of western society is almost completed. This government is doing all it can to get us there.

  4. Their sign in the video says in part, “we love them because they have gotten us through tough times. We love them because they make us feel beautiful. We love them because they make us happy. We love them because they are unique.’

  5. Keep in mind that “jihadi cool” is not limited to females. It is in fact an issue that many countries have alerted to. Many of the folks enamored by the alleged adventurous nature of jihad have been sold a false meme. I saw where a former higher up for CAIR said the cultural aspect of jihadi cool was due to “lazy muslims”. People who think some great road trip of discovery through Syria or Iraq is a reality,no actual work on faith.
    I’d also point out the number of stories that look at the disillusioned folks who fell for the glitz of the ISIL /AQ campaign and were left having a serious “WTF did I do moment.”

  6. Pools, funny that you mention biker gangs since biker gangs have joined the fight against ISIL. I’m just waiting for us to fly a battalion of Hell’s Angels over there.

  7. Kids have been wearing pants with their asses hanging out for near 2 decades now. It no longer has shock value whereas ‘jihadi’ does.

  8. Tell you what these rejects joining ISIS/ISIL reminds me of, gang. Vietnam, SDS/Weather Underground, & Charles Manson – the country was without heroes then, and established norms were falling apart as it is now. That too was driven by a ‘religious’ zeal, a cult of sorts led by mad men, with the lackeys convinced they were on a mission to establish utopia, obtaining control by violence followed by anarchy.

    Remember when our parents would question, “what girl in their right mind would commune with a psychopath? 40 years later, history repeats itself. The methods are somewhat different. But the intent is the same. Create chaos and fear, disrupt “the system” with the psychopaths filling the power vacuum.

    And these losers, both men and women, are drawn into believing they’re a part of a movement that will usher in a new dawn of order.

  9. Islamic State by Alexandra Hudson on Reuters says much the same thing. The problem is worse in Germany because it has a large population of people who moved from Turkey when Germany had a worker shortage. Cultures lasts for generations, and the Muslim culture in Germany feels disconnected from the majority. “…a new political-religious movement has grown out of nothing and taken all of us completely by surprise.”

    At least 450 people have traveled from Germany to Syria to join the jihad.”One big issue for young people is feeling unaccepted as a Muslim society.” Extremists are capitalizing on the illusion of a movement “that will usher in a new dawn of order.” This also affects adults.
    I believe our educational system and culture create a vacume to be filled.

  10. Romantic notions about lusty pirates and tortured revolutionaries have sold many a bodice-ripper and made many a publishing house wealthy. Hell, which Hemingway book was it? …hmmm …….. I read it in secondary school ….. about the Spanish Civil war …… I think it was For Whom the Bell Tolls …. ah, here it is ….yes, that one … made that old boy rich long before he offed himself.

    Reality has a way of intruding on fantasy, though. Dirt and grime and chunks of meat that used to be your lover lying about on the ground tend to bring one around. After all, jihadis are why god created Hellfire missiles.

    BTW, R – thanks for shifting my comments to the right thread.

  11. Rutherford – I’m seeing a lot of buzz on local TV about Jeb Bush. As a member of the Loyal Opposition, what do you think of him? He seems pretty reasonable on the surface. Do you think that he would be acceptable to the Left, as opposed to Hillary or some of the others?

    James – what are your thoughts about Jeb?

    BTW, Lurker – congrats on your success with lung cancer. Tough opponent.

  12. I tend to agree with those who say Jeb was the Bush son who should have been President. Just this morning Joe Scarborough was saying America has had enough Bush (and Clinton). I’m not so sure.

    Dude speaks fluent Spanish and may do well with the Hispanic vote. If Hillary is the candidate, I may vote for any Republican who does not appear too extreme.

    I can already predict if HRC is the next President, it will be one of the most scandal torn presidencies in American history.

  13. re: HRC – we used to get Gordon Liddy here and I listened to him occasionally. He referred to her as “Hillary Ramrod Clinton.”

    Rumours were that the White House rattled all night long with the sounds of screaming and breaking objects as the Clintons battled. When GWB took office, it was said that the White House staff referred to it as, “the return of adults to the White house.” I’m not so sure about that – Laura, maybe …

  14. Parker made a couple of posts on the wrong thread but I thought the exchange might be enjoyed here for all to see. First from Parker:

    Dogshit on the couch. Perfect analogy. And the response? “There’s the door.” I love it.

    You know, FN, the highest form of human endeavor is when people with very different fun philosophies can sit together and argue their differences out while never crossing the line of personal attack. You know, for a professed liberal, you ain’t too bad! LOL. Be careful, though, moderation and civility will get you mugged.

    I think you make a very valid point: It’s very easy for a man in authority to hide behind “I’m an even-handed fella, so there are no rules,” when the real problem is, “When it comes to responsibility, I have an even number of balls.” Zero.

    And that odour of dogshit, of course, is why nobody ever gets past looking in his door.

  15. My response:

    I think you make a very valid point: It’s very easy for a man in authority to hide behind “I’m an even-handed fella, so there are no rules,” when the real problem is, “When it comes to responsibility, I have an even number of balls.” Zero.

    Be careful calling me “a man in authority” it might go to my head.

  16. Parker’s second volley:
    “You pull that shit, I’ll out you too. And I won’t stop at your name. I’ll post your credit history. I’ll post your criminal record. I’ll post your kid’s names. I’ll fight fire with fire. I know virtually every person on this board – including two that don’t like. I won’t “out” them EVER unless they pull the same stunt. You got a problem with that, too bad.

    As far as insulting someone’s family? You insult my Master – in the most insidious ways possible. That is the most sacrosanct thing in my entire life – far more than even my wife and kids. As far as I’m concerned, when I warn you to stop and you don’t do it, there are no rules and everything is on the table.

    That bothers you, stop the insults. You want a war? I’ll give you one.”

    Rutherford – this guy has some serious problems. I was not kidding about Bipolar Disorder and being off his meds.

    Given the litigation climate in your country, if you allow this kind of manure on your blog and don’t do something to tone it down, IANAL, but at least in my country you would be partially held responsible.

    Get a grip, dude.

  17. My reply to second volley:
    Parker, let me put it this way. We’ve got teenage girls on the net trading their Justin Bieber crush for a romantic vision of Jihadists. Compared to that, Tex Taylor mouthing off on a blog is small potatoes.

    If Tex’s brand of extremism is a legal risk to me, I’m pretty sure WordPress will knock me off the airwaves before any lawyers come calling.

    And I’m equally sure despite our political differences I’d have two attorneys (ET and BiC) willing to give me a strong defense. 🙂

  18. Rutherford,

    You are aware Pfesser Parker found little wrong with me until I toasted him one night for being a baiting prick and continually mocking my faith, aren’t you? Then to accentuate his weakness, this coward tried to turn the group against me (remind you of anyone) off the board, without my knowledge, and found no quarter there either. Bitter.

    This continual haranguing, 3rd party, is simple. Pfesser Parker is a poor loser who can’t stand he found someone his equal after announcing he had no equal, and met someone who can go toe-to-toe with the personal, if called. This sappy cry for civility to the audience at this point is beyond parody – it’s retching. You can’t be civil when some megalomaniac and critic is still continually looking to score points and draw attention to himself.

    But I would ask you to consider this so I can ignore this fool’s inanity and false charges without explanation from this day forward. And if it weren’t for you and perhaps your occasional Leftist friends that show up in rare moments, I wouldn’t even bother.

    It’s not me that’s got the swinging marriage, or dysfunctional kids, or a life littered with failed marriages, or has an obvious drinking problem accompanied by wild mood swings. This is a man that once bragged he cut the penis off a cadaver and nailed it to some classmates door. I wonder? Did our Doctor ever give consideration that cadaver was likely also someone’s husband, father, son? I treated my cadavers with the utmost respect, though I realized it just a shell. And I actually love my in-laws – extended family and has been for years. Other than my wife’s situation, my life is pretty solid and the freedom it lends might be considered envious in some circles.

    To end this, I believe this manic prognosis is classic projection on behalf of one whose nose was tweaked at a vulnerable moment, and whose life now holds no purpose – here and elsewhere.

    Hopefully you understand all this or choose to ignore these tedious accusations as a nothing burger. One question for you and your friends to ponder, if interested. If I carry all these maladies, why is my life so stable? Does that read like someone suffering from severe depression? 😐 The only real problem I’ve ever had is nonconformity. If that’s a crime, consider me guilty.

    I suspect what we’ve got here is an insecure narcissist, whose job once defined him. I grant the man has intellect – even expertise in a field I admire with a few hobbies I envy. Unfortunately, like so many professionals I meet, he also has a severe deficiency of the one quality most required to be content in life – wisdom.

    And I suspect Pfesser Parker not that much different that those old corporate executive ass kissers you and I knew too well, who once they left the limelight after rolling people to get there, their life for all intents and purposes was over. They got money. But they got no real friends, no respect, and no real purpose.

    I won’t bother you and anyone else further. But these criticisms have become so tedious and redundant by two people who don’t like me, they needed to be addressed with explanation and defense one time.

  19. No they don’t, Tex. The dumbshit is so desperate for attention/validation that, like a child throwing a tantrum, he has actually started attacking Rutherford for not joining him. Nobody listens to the old drunk bastard. You give him to much credit. It’s just sad at this point.

  20. Awesome. Thanks for making that drivel easier to access. It’s real interesting.


    “But are you really telling me that now we have to worry that our kids will mistake religious extremist psychopaths for romantic swashbucklers and buy tickets to Syria? Really? Has our society become this bored and stupid?

    I can’t believe I’m saying this but I guess the next step is a PSA campaign telling kids it’s not cool to be a Jihadist. Maybe the first one can star Justin Bieber.”

    I knew a girl in high school who wrote to Manson in prison. You could tell after even a short conversation with her that she was off. Debbie held an allure for some of the tragically hip rebels among the rest of us, but underneath her “cool” cultural currency was a deprived child. We learned that she had come from a broken family and that her mother and stepfather were extreme left wingers, real easy-to-be-hard hipsters involved with every social injustice cause that didn’t cost them anything except for their own child. Of course they had likely chosen our school in hopes that the other villagers would raise their kids for them. But no matter how accepted Debbie was by her peers, her folks’ societal discontent rubbed off on Debbie. She rejected everyone and eschewed the quaint socials our community had to offer.

    Debbie’s enchantment with Manson was not something other parents worried about in particular. They for the most part had not waited for the dark invitation to arrive for their kids, so when it did come and come back again their kids had a foundation in place that didn’t shift with every new enticement.

    The Manson family girls all had troubles at home and in many ways despite their physical surroundings were most deprived. A lot is made of the middle and upper middle class backgrounds of the girls who took up and killed for Charlie. But the family dynamics – beginning with fathers who abused or deserted them and mothers too weak or drunk to stand up straight – are far more telling than income brackets and immeasurably more corrosive than anything else the girls encountered in the world.

    Justin Beiber isn’t going to help you prepare your kids for what’s coming. You can’t even see what’s coming. Not if you can’t even identify it. What’s that quote from one of my favorite writers again?….Ah yes…here it is –

    “It’s the tide. It’s the dismal tide. It’s not the one thing.”
    ― Cormac McCarthy

  21. Back on topic, the joiners are longing to belong. That is key.

    Bingo Muffy! And my reference up above was with the Squeaky Fromme, the Leslie Van Houten in mind. These girls might even be pretty or popular. But I bet these young gals lack the one thing that is absolutely necessary – to feel truly loved; to feel needed; to belong.

    And this is what happens to a society when the cornerstones are chipped away, until all that remains is the facade. Young people have little to fall back on – no moral bearings which all of us need.

    One thing I learned helping to raise two girls – and it surprised me to the degree. How much small girls, prepubescent, need their father’s adoration and approval. I never miss a chance, sincerely, to tell my daughters how proud I am of them and how much I love them.

    Mom is the heart of our family – I’m like the coffee table now, replaced by boyfriends with everything delivered 3rd party from Mom. But I still remember those conversations in the truck coming home from grade school that were shared; my daugther’s inhibitions, their fears, their wants. And I felt privileged that they would share those with me.

    Tell you a story of me being the Good Samaritan with ulterior motive and I think it might have been one of the smartest things I ever did by accident.


    One day after school, I took my daughters probably 10 & 9 as I think I remember the year, to a Subway to eat, which I hate – but my youngest was finicky and liked it.

    There was a little, cherub faced young black woman there, clean and neat, well clothed in a dress and business coat, but without anything to eat. She asked if I could put her up for the night in a hotel, as she had no transportation and no money for food. I told her, “No, but I will buy you dinner.”

    We went through the line, I bought ‘Jackie’ a sandwich/chips/drink, and sat down to eat with my kids to talk about the day. My youngest started crying and I have to admit I wasn’t much enjoying my sandwich either. “What is she going to do, Dad?”

    So I went over to Jackie, invited her to join us, and we started talking. Weird story. She spoke well and even smelled nice. 🙂 Jackie said she had little family but that her sister was wiring her money so that she could at least live somewhere as she has lost her apartment.

    Anyway, I put Jackie in the front seat, took her by my house to get her something for her headache, leave the children with my mom as I wasn’t entirely comfortable with a stranger and small children, my wife took care of a few women’s issues for Jackie, and I took her to the hotel she requested which was not expensive. I paid cash for the room, and told the man at the desk, “Here is my business card. If Jackie happened to come back in the next night without room, to call me.” I left Jackie my number. Never heard another word.

    Now, it is very possible I was simply hustled. I know that probably likely. But as I told my sweet wife, even if I was, it gave me the opportunity to look sympathetic and large in my two daughter’s eyes. And they have not forgotten that either.

    But I will tell you this. I’m pretty good at spotting a fraud, or at least I think I am. Jackie just didn’t fit the bill, almost like she had no background, no history. She didn’t look the part or act the part. She was this very timid little thing.

    And I have often wondered queer as this may sound to many of you, do ‘angels’ walk this earth, thrown into our paths, to simply test us? I have wondered about that since that day….

  22. And I have often wondered queer as this may sound to many of you, do ‘angels’ walk this earth, thrown into our paths, to simply test us? I have wondered about that since that day…

    Not queer. Hebrews 13:2 I know I have met some. And yes, ALL of ‘life’ is a test.

  23. I thought you would be familiar with that verse from Hebrews, Poolman, which I only recently just read and meant something to me. Somehow, I passed over it. But I was only trying to be covertly religious here, though you caught it.

    Though ‘my angel’ and I spoke for well over two hours, I realized when I carried her suitcase to her room and left, I really knew nothing about her but her first name. The really strange part that I didn’t include in that conversation was what she shared about my own daughters…what I should do, how I should act. I just figured she was speaking from her own history, though she never mentioned it as personal.

    It wasn’t until some time later, perhaps years, I actually even gave thought to what Jackie had said. But it stuck with me.

  24. Awesome. Thanks for making that drivel easier to access. It’s real interesting.

    Muffy I confess I published it back on this thread out of sheer ego. I thought my South Park comeback was hilarious. I’m a sucker for Cartman.

  25. Tex my belief in the honesty of the average person shifts from day to day. You did a mighty kind thing for that lady and I doubt you were hustled. If you were it was actually her loss. Her deception, if that was the case, further degraded her while your nobility elevated you.

  26. You can’t even see what’s coming.

    Muffy that’s a terrifying thought for a parent.

    We’ve also got this homecoming prince from CA who shot up the caf cos a girl rejected him. He doesn’t fit the messed up kid profile but I bet when all is said and done we’ll find out his parents are fucked up in some way. I still wanna know where he got the gun.

  27. We’ve also got this homecoming prince from CA who shot up the caf cos a girl rejected him. He doesn’t fit the messed up kid profile but I bet when all is said and done we’ll find out his parents are fucked up in some way. I still wanna know where he got the gun.

    If you’re talking about the kid here, R, it’s WA, not CA, although on this side of the state, it’s an easy error to make.

    As for where he got the gun, it’s almost certainly a family member, and although those trying to get this year’s anti-gun ballot measure approved next week wasted no time waving these bloody shirts around, the fact is it would have done NOTHING to stop what happened.

    The kid already broke a state law by possessing a handgun outside of a very narrow list of places that someone under 18 may possess one, he broke a strict school policy by having it on campus, and then of course, the violations of the laws against assault and murder. And while the very poorly written ballot initiative might make the family member a felon due to an “unlawful transfer”, the fact is that the kid was a tribal member and lived on the res, so that particular proposal, if passed by the voters, still wouldn’t have applied to him.

  28. I’m sorry Rabbit, it’s not fair I know. Sometimes I wonder how interested I would be in what you or others have to say if I didn’t know the outline of your surroundings. I still don’t know how I feel about that. What do you think? About giving out personals online. Say if you were a girl bunny.

  29. “Muffy that’s a terrifying thought for a parent.”

    What that you never see it coming?

    You give your kids the tools regardless.

  30. I’m sorry Rabbit, it’s not fair I know.

    Ok this wasn’t addressed to me but that never stopped me before.

    Fairness has nothing to do with it. It’s all about comfort level. This is a tough place to be vulnerable because quite frankly sometimes the knives come out.

    I’ve been pretty up front about my personals because a) I’m under the illusion it humanizes me (illusion because I’m still treated like a cardboard cookie cutter lib) and b) I’m lousy at fiction. I could never keep my fictional story straight.

    I’ve been asked why I resist believing that Pfesser is Parker. One reason is I can’t see how he keeps the charade going nor why he would want to beyond a week or two.

    One quick anecdote. Only once in my life did I go out in public as Rutherford. I was having lunch in NYC with some liberal bloggers. Before I went, I joked with my wife that I would have to remember to turn around if I heard someone say “hey Rutherford”. “Oh yeah, that’s me!”

  31. LOL this is true. I’ve written to Poolman and although I know his name I always address him as Poolman 🙂

    BTW BiC pardon the brain fart on the shooting. I knew it was WA but for some odd reason I wrote CA. I even thought of you when I heard the story, hoping you were not in any way effected.

  32. Muffy, I don’t blame you for being impersonal and private. Being a woman, I think you’ve got to be more careful, even with your buds here. I’ve shared way more than I should have on this blog.

    My cardboard cookie cutter Lib buddy Rutherford is also an open book. I’ve got to say that I would have no problem sharing personals with Alfie, James, perhaps even Poolman. My concern is not the regulars here, but the people lurking. I don’t want my wife and kids endangered because of something I’ve said.

    What’s ironic is that I’m usually pretty close to the cuff. But here, over half the people not only know my name, but what my wife and kids look like – including you.

  33. “Fairness has nothing to do with it. It’s all about comfort level. This is a tough place to be vulnerable because quite frankly sometimes the knives come out.”

    That’s not it. If by “knives” you mean words. Words can’t hurt you.

    “I’ve been pretty up front about my personals because a) I’m under the illusion it humanizes me (illusion because I’m still treated like a cardboard cookie cutter lib) and b) I’m lousy at fiction. I could never keep my fictional story straight.”

    It does humanize you and you’re not treated like a cookie cutter. You say some pretty outrageous stuff sometimes that provokes equally outrageous reactions. There’s nothing more to it than that.

    Anyway your name should be the only fictional thing you or anyone else writes here.Rabbit’s occasional goofing aside. There shouldn’t be anything to keep straight.

    But drawing a clear line on what gets put out there is something I do to keep my mind at ease about what is out there.

    “I’ve been asked why I resist believing that Pfesser is Parker. One reason is I can’t see how he keeps the charade going nor why he would want to beyond a week or two.”

    I’m so thrilled to still be talking about this moron.

    Pfarker is Pfesser. .

    Believe as you will. No one is asking you why you resist. You’re a goob. But your logic is puzzling. What do you mean you can’t see “how?” How what?

    As for the “why” – that’s a good question. And just because you can’t think of a good answer doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

    All I know is I’m damn glad the guy doesn’t know where to find me. I would not be at peace if I thought otherwise.

    I want to be as mouthy as I want to be without fear. I’ve been on other boards, primarily one that is no holds barred and when guys get mad it’s Katie bar the door. I trust everyone here except the ones I don’t. It should be clear by now who they are.

    But the overriding reason I keep the info stream at a trickle is that once it’s out there there’s no getting it back. I’m old enough to understand that.

  34. Hey! Want to hear something cool? That lava flow running over the road toward Pohoa Village on the Big Island? I drove on that three years ago.

    http://news.yahoo.com/lava-flow-hawaii-volcano-just-100-yards-nearest-185441506.html

    Not cool if you’re living in Pohoa. But cool enough to recognize the scenery with the filming from the helicopter. Ate one of the worst meals I ever had in my life there too before viewing the caldera at the Volcano Park. People on the Big Island should be skinny – the food sucked. Hummus on chips was the best meal I had. 😆

    Worth the visit if you’ve never been there. Really, really pretty.

  35. But the overriding reason I keep the info stream at a trickle is that once it’s out there there’s no getting it back. I’m old enough to understand that.

    And that, in a word, is the internet baby!

  36. Parker, I think his father said Jeb was the son who should have been president. He and I share parts of the same ideology, but not all. I could vote for him, but he has a problem. As of now, the “tide” Muffy quoted is against him. His brother is like an anchor around his neck. Conservatives might have to choke on voting for him, but Hillary or Liz might be sufficient to encourage a vote. There is still time to change the “tide” because I expect the administration to continue its stupidity.

    A Civil Rights Commissioner said yesterday that Obama’s planned amnesty will devastate the black economy. Rutherford says he has a better job now, but it leads to another dead end. Yet, he voted for all Democrats. The poorest recovery in generations which might have contributed to forcing him to take a job with little future made little impression on him. He also knows about the coming amnesty.

    I think Rutherford is one of the smartest people here, and he is evolving because he has a relatively open mind, but even he is blind to the implications of our current power structure. Ignorant voters will keep the “tide” surging.

    Sherel Atkins’ new book illustrates the liberal media’s power of the “tide.” It can still sway voters to support Liz or Hil.

    I like sharing personal information within limits.It provides context. The first two liberal sites I visited had private message service. As a result four of those people gave our daughter and son-in law wedding gifts. Three of us met and had lunch. A number of us were face book friends, and two had a short-term romance which I instigated as a matchmaker. I like to be alone. I haven’t checked Facebook in over a year.

  37. “The joiners are longing to belong” sometimes for good causes. Military service, the Peace Corps and other worthy endeavors attract a certain percentage of young idealists.

    Much of my information stream is on a recording in the Smithsonian Institute. I contributed to several oral histories and the University of Northern Florida sent copies to the museum. I shared that information with a character on the other blog, after he threatened me with malicious use of what I had written. He answered that he had lost respect for the Smithsonian.

  38. Thank you for your kind thoughts.

    Just want to say – Early detection makes a world of difference in the outcome.
    and FWIW a correction – it was NON small cell cancer…not small cell cancer

    Happy Halloween to all.

  39. Words can’t hurt you.

    And these four simple words utterly destroy the strongest weapon in the Left’s arsenal…the state of being “offended” and its talismanic power to avoid difficult conversations, difficult facts, and inconvenient truth. Using their victimhood as a sword as well as shield allows them to avoid saying “Shut up!” when confronted with any of these things, even if that’s the loudest phrase rattling around the interior of their skulls.

  40. “I like sharing personal information within limits.It provides context.”

    “Absolutely James.”

    James, Fat Grannies outed Rutherford and were allegedly working behind closed doors on outing Tex. Someone here said they themselves were exiled for speaking out against it. That is disturbing.

    I was also troubled by you seemingly sending the authorities over to one of the Fat Granny regulars after she ticked you off concerning a rather unobjectionable story about olive seeds. The invasion of privacy story seemed to change over time but initially you were cagey about having done it. I like you and I think the harpies treated you badly but such sharing reaffirms my caution.

    Not to mention the lurkers, which Tex alluded to.

    I welcome others weighing in on Rabbit’s query but providing context takes a back seat to putting information out there that can lead to exposing oneself to unwelcome intrusion.

  41. I didn’t just “seemingly” turn one of the grannies in. I met someone who worked for US customs at a wedding. He told me whom to call, and I did. I reported how the woman smuggled the seeds into the US, and though I had a pretty good idea of where she lived, I didn’t give any other identifying information. They were interested enough to consider changing search procedures.

    No one was going to do anything to a little old lady, though it would have been fun to give her a scare and tell her to expect a visit. I almost did that. At the worst, I mocked her stupidity at admitting she had smuggled in contraband on a site accessible to the world.

    So, I completely agree with your reluctance to divulge much private information. Most of what I tell is already public knowledge somewhere.

  42. Oh, the Harpies of Fat Grannies did out me. Of course, me using a name of a neighbor about a 100 years ago, they also outed my ‘wife.’ Gawd only knows they probably called the poor man and his wife too and blasted them. LOL We don’t even live in the same city.

    And of course, Poolman was lending his assistance to their schemes. That’s the very reason I never shared with Poolman what I shared with some of you. While Poolman seems a decent enough fellow most of the time, I’ve never forgotten that one betrayal that could and would be used against me. 😈

    Frankly, I think Muffy is smart to stay private.

  43. As I wrote, I like peoples’ sharing some personal information for context, but I understand the perils of going too far. Another risk is people often unwittingly tell more than they think they are telling. If one pays attention, one can understand elements of pride. One can attack those elements and hurt feelings on a minor level. Someone on the other site told me in an e mail that she could almost like me, but she was still angry at the feelings I had hurt.

  44. Tex, your memory is a bit foggy regarding the attempt to out you at M&H. I told them the person they claimed was you wasn’t, even though you were using that person’s name at the time. Many were all about trying to find out who you were. I didn’t agree or participate, which ended up breaking some friendships there. It matters not as I had to stick to my principles.

  45. As for the comment, “words can’t hurt you”, that is simply ignorant. There is awesome power in words and especially the spoken word. My Father spoke this whole reality into being. (Review Genesis chapter 1). Jesus says we can move mountains by speaking in faith. James the Just has an awful lot to say about the power of words in his letter.

    It is true that most are ignorant of the power of words, and our culture is very naive when it comes to the subject, but that doesn’t change fact.

  46. Many were all about trying to find out who you were. I didn’t agree or participate, which ended up breaking some friendships there. It matters not as I had to stick to my principles.

    Poolman, you were the very first one every time when I entered under a new alias at any of those honeypots you frequent to point out who I was. You did the same thing at Stone Kettle. Don’t tell me you didn’t, snake. You’re full of shit, as usual.

    You’re up to your ass in Fat Granny friends, including being a good standing member that godforsaken Chatty Kitchen crap. And you have no principles best I can tell.

    If that bothers you to be called on it, you should have thought about it when you were doing it. I don’t trust you far as I can throw you.

  47. I pointed out your internet assholery far and wide, but that isn’t the same as putting your real identity up. If you had a problem with what you wrote on line, tough shit. I always felt you were rather proud of your vulgarities.

  48. I agree with Poolman that words do have power. Anyone who chants the “sticks and stones” rule is either hiding how hurt they really are or is giving themselves license to be verbally vicious to others — or both.

  49. I risk coming off like an ignorant racist with this question but humor me a second.

    Could the mourning of the Washington high school shooter, along with his victims have some native American cultural component? Let’s face it- it was awfully unusual for the killer to get as reverent a send off as his victims. It creeped out Muffy quite understandably. So I’m thinking “what’s different about this case from most others?” First, the shooter was popular. But 2nd, the shooter was from a reservation as I believe were at least two of his victims.

    Anybody here know more about Native American culture than I do?

  50. For the most part, we have obliterated Native American culture. The original peoples were very tied to the land. They lost in the ownership respect of things. Reservations aren’t very healthy environments and often suffer from many of the same things poor urban areas do. There is extreme corruption, addiction, prejudice, and poverty.

  51. Point taken Poolman and I know reservations are hotbeds for alcoholism. I was just wondering if there might be some Native American thing going on that framed the shooters actions as some sort of friendly fire? I’m just shooting in the dark because I share Muffy’s disbelief at this reaction and I’m trying to find a rationale for it. Forgiveness is one thing but this is a horse of another color.

  52. R: “Ok this wasn’t addressed to me but that never stopped me before.

    Fairness has nothing to do with it. It’s all about comfort level. This is a tough place to be vulnerable because quite frankly sometimes the knives come out.”

    M: “That’s not it. If by “knives” you mean words. Words can’t hurt you.”

    R: “Anyone who chants the “sticks and stones” rule is either hiding how hurt they really are or is giving themselves license to be verbally vicious to others — or both.”

    With all remarks being taken in the context in which they were offered, it sounds like you’re trying to tell me what I think.

  53. That social justice warrior article was good, BIC. Troubling, but good.

    I need to go watch a Biden clip now.

    Hillary appeared intoxicated in that latest clip where she tries to channel Liz Warren. Maybe she popped an Ambien instead of a Tic Tac.

  54. With all remarks being taken in the context in which they were offered, it sounds like you’re trying to tell me what I think.

    I believe that you believe what you said but I think you are fooling yourself. Now maybe we are hung up on the word “hurt”? Clearly words don’t cause direct physical pain — no drop of blood was ever shed directly by a word. Indirectly — many. Muslims justify atrocious violence over words. But I don’t mean physical hurt and I don’t think you did either.

    This blog is, if nothing else, an example of the power of words. Just about everyone here has taken a turn at trying to level a lethal blow at someone else while making a point. Hell, about once every 12 to 18 months Rabbit swears he’s leaving here and never coming back because something I said pissed him off. You were recently at the center of a major dust-up over what? Words. Nasty words. So if you are truly saying words can’t hurt then I really don’t understand you. If you prefer “evoke strong emotions” over the word “hurt” then maybe that settles it.

  55. Hillary appeared intoxicated in that latest clip where she tries to channel Liz Warren. Maybe she popped an Ambien instead of a Tic Tac.

    My tweet earlier this evening is apropos of your comment.

  56. re: words and effect. The issue you raise, Rutherford, has been discussed and settled long ago. Somehow, about 1994-5 or so, the Right decided that any attack on the Democrats in America, no matter how vicious, untrue, half-true, was justified. They needed to “take off the kid gloves” and get down to business. Hence you had Limbaugh, Falwell, et al, and the masses loved them.

    But it’s a testament to American education – or lack of same – that nobody said, “Hey, wait a minute; the rules of polite argument have been around for hundreds of years. All that this kind of stuff leads to is gridlock, because the fact is, we have to work together, like it or not.”

    Now the anonymity of the Internets makes it possible to completely take off the gloves, but the effect is the same as it always has been: you get NOWHERE. Your blog is the perfect example of that, Rutherford – the same group of four or five posters, all expressing ad infinitum ad nauseum the same tired litany of inbred opinions – a tiny local circle-jerk of ideas born of the lack of any fresh air around here – ideas that vary from one millimetre to the right of Atilla to one millimetre to the left.

    Is that REALLY what you want? A total of four or five posters, the same opinions, the air of abusive language that keeps away anyone who might add some new, fresh point of view? Was that your vision when you started this blog?

  57. Grinning at Slack’s whining about being “outed” as someone he was NOT. Don’t take it so hard, [redacted] – it can be risible to sit back and watch the antics. Especially if you help them.

    Happy Halloween – especially to you, Lurker – and James – and Rutherford. Have to go now and, lets see … get ready to burn a bonfire and celebrate Samhain.

    LOL

  58. Happy Halloween – especially to you, Lurker – and James – and Rutherford. Have to go now and, lets see … get ready to burn a bonfire and celebrate Samhain.

    LOL

    Right where you belong – with the losers.

    Grinning at The Drunkard’s dropping by to leave a load.. Didn’t like that last message, did you Drunk? And by the way, Mr. Manners. Seen anyone come to your defense here with your clever, “risible” observations?

    No, I didn’t think so, [redacted].

  59. I pointed out your internet assholery far and wide, but that isn’t the same as putting your real identity up. If you had a problem with what you wrote on line, tough shit.

    Did you parrot that from Chatty Kitchen too, Pantry Snatcher? You even threatened me here with posting my real identity two separate times. Remember, Fat Momma was going to get me at the Medical School? 😛

  60. Is that REALLY what you want? A total of four or five posters, the same opinions, the air of abusive language that keeps away anyone who might add some new, fresh point of view? Was that your vision when you started this blog?

    Rutherford?

    Does this alcoholic clown’s tedious whining ever get on your nerves? Perhaps you should end the charade and give The Twisted Drunk a decision.

    What’s risible is to here “Parker” call somebody a whiner. What’s even more risible is The Drunk’s charges of inbred, being he’s as much as called his own family inbred. Now that’s risible.

    No worries. I expect since it’s around Christmas, we’ll be getting another story of rough time from the Coal Mines and Christmas trees from his inbred childhood.

  61. Native Americans have a problem with alchohol for social reasons. We virtually destroyed their culture. The problem is also genetic. Sami people and I assume Fins are distinctive in that they share a gene with American Indians. They also are heavy drinkers. During the 1800s alchololism was so debilitating that a Lutheran revival saved the culture. They share a loosely similar past, so maybe that caused their problems.Alchohol abuse may have filled a void. I don’t know”.

    I still believe the core liberals departed because they were honest enough to realize their views were getting hard to defend, Ragi rightly wrote that my hypothesis was merely speculation but I still think I am right. Our brief “takeover” of the other blog may have been a similar reaction, combined with how the Obama administration described his friend “Bibi.”

    Words can hurt, though I don’t really understand how much real pain can come from a computer screen. When someone personally attacks me, I try to make my words hurt, or at least create a little anger. Usually, nothing happens. Sometimes we get lucky.

    Thanks for the halloween wishes,

  62. Ok here’s the deal. My stupid iPhone app is not letting me edit comments (the edits don’t stick). So, if I see something from the iPhone that needs editing, I’m putting the comment in moderation until I can get to my PC to edit it.

    Case in point, some outing talk got out of hand AGAIN. Comment put in moderation until I can redact the name.

    Gimme a break here gang. I like to be a participant, not an administrator.

  63. Our brief “takeover” of the other blog

    Just for clarity’s sake, this blog was never taken over. While I’ve had more libs here in the past, this place has always been overwhelmingly conservative. I couldn’t begin to figure out why a bunch of conservatives would flock to a lib blog. Perhaps I’m too nice? 🙂

  64. Tex, you’re delusional. I remember you writing nasty things about my wife that she read and took personal. My skin is a lot thicker than hers. She stewed in it, prompting her to find out who you really are. That was some time back. We had a discussion and she settled down and left it at that. “Hell hath no fury…

  65. “Just for clarity’s sake, this blog was never taken over. While I’ve had more libs here in the past, this place has always been overwhelmingly conservative. I couldn’t begin to figure out why a bunch of conservatives would flock to a lib blog. Perhaps I’m too nice?”

    That’s probably it. And the articles. And racism.

  66. You calling somebody delusional, Tool™, is like Pfesser calling somebody a raging alcoholic and pervert. No need to write things about your “truly lovely” wife. Being married to a pantry snatcher like you is carnal punishment enough.

  67. Everybody is innocent is prison, Rutherford. We’re a cabal of racists here, planned from the inception of your blog and only noticed in subliminal The Simpsons shows, facilitated via bug drones in Tool’s™ side yard.

    It’s a conspiracy!

  68. No, Rutherford, this blog was never “taken over” The other one was “taken over.”. Posters complained about it, and Juneau Joe posted regular links to keep the liberal voice alive.

    Yes, you are “too nice.” From “The Sound of Music” “You’re not one of them.”

    Suppose Republicans sweep the table and win the White House. What if our sluggish economy surges, and our foreign prospects improve? Will you make a connection between a better world and a change of administrators, or will you attribute the change to a fluke or a process which the Democrats had already started and only became evident after they left office?

  69. “Suppose Republicans sweep the table and win the White House. What if our sluggish economy surges, and our foreign prospects improve? Will you make a connection between a better world and a change of administrators, or will you attribute the change to a fluke or a process which the Democrats had already started and only became evident after they left office?”

    I can answer that.

    First, the GOP are no where sweeping out the trash.

    Second, the GOP sucks anyway.

    Third, there is no way the GOP chuckleheads that would take over for the slimy Dims will have anything to do with making it a better world other than slowing down the rapid decline into the abyss.

    Fourth, assuming the republicans took over and things looked all happy-pappy and rosy, Rutherford would fall silent. His raison d’être is liberal cheerleading and theatre.

  70. But it’s a testament to American education – or lack of same – that nobody said, “Hey, wait a minute; the rules of polite argument have been around for hundreds of years.

    John Adams and Thomas Jefferson would like to educate you on “polite argument” during Jefferson’s first campaign for President. John Quincy Adams would like to talk to you about the reaction to his polite introduction of anti-slavery petitions signed by US Citizens. Preston Brooks would like to talk to you “polite argument”, just as soon as he finishes beating Charles Sumner with his cane on the floor of the Senate, and Andy Jackson and LBJ are arguing over which one gets to tell you what a dumbass you are.

    I don’t think someone paid attention in his American History class.

    All that this kind of stuff leads to is gridlock, because the fact is, we have to work together, like it or not.”

    Madison, Hamilton, and Jay are on the phone….they all say “About that “gridlock” thing? Yeah, it’s a feature, not a bug…dumbass.”

  71. BIC,

    Mr. Manners Parker likes to pretend everything went downhill after the advent of Rush Limbaugh. LOL This blog is just a continuation of bad behavior

    Of course, in my own lifetime, I remember LBJ and Cambodia, Watergate, Iran Contra, Robert Bork (a real doozy), Gary Hart and Monkey Business, Teddy Kennedy and the bridge, etc….

    All of which preceded Rush Limbaugh.

    I wonder if Mr. Manners Parker remembers the time Richard Reeves opined in the New York Slimes with an article calling titled Ronald Reagan is STUPID?

  72. “Somehow, about 1994-5 or so, the Right decided that any attack on the Democrats in America, no matter how vicious, untrue, half-true, was justified. They needed to “take off the kid gloves” and get down to business. Hence you had Limbaugh, Falwell, et al, and the masses loved them.”

    Limbaugh was broadcasting nationally in the mid-late 80’s. Falwell was going at it in the late 70’s. Weren’t you getting the broadcasts in Australia then, mate?

  73. Suppose Republicans sweep the table and win the White House.

    First things first James. Let’s see a 2014 sweep and then see how congress and POTUS get along. Romney predicts lots of useful legislation from an undivided congress if the prez plays ball.

    If post January, Congress DOES something and Obama does not obstruct then I’ll talk to you about my future outlook. 🙂

  74. Cool. Checked in and got my daily dose from Pharker about how much he hates it here, how rude it is here and how he wants Rutherford to do this or that.

    Can’t wait for tomorrow’s dose. And the next day.

    The old fellow is celebrating the pagan Fall whatever with the young edgy pierced hipsters tonight….I hope he can blow off a little steam. It seems to be killing him that he can’t control a tiny blog frequented by 4 or 5 strangers. Yet he just can’t stay away. Even a move down under didn’t stop him. Here’s to hoping he can find a little stress relief and purpose building the heathen fire and choreographing the Halloween dance of the dead. Monster mash, you whining motherfucker!

  75. Obama administration calls Israel chicken shit because they backed down to..wait for it……Obama…..and that they now can’t do shit about Iran getting a nuke.

    Spike the football assholes! Hell yeah. Love them priorities!

    Obama’s legacy will also be a nuclear armed middle eastern powder keg.

  76. The only reason “admin officials” should be fired is for talking smack to the press on the down low knowing it will hit the media. Even if Obama and Co are not impressed with Bibi, it doesn’t need to be public knowledge. Having that out there makes our admin look like amateur hour – the exact opposite of diplomacy.

    I want Bibi given the same scrutiny as other world leaders but we don’t need juvenile gossipy leaks.

  77. It’s hilarious that someone from the “Red Line” administration is calling ANY world leader a politicking coward.

  78. I remember when Bibi showed us his red line. 😆

    How about this silliness? Jihadis unite!

    We the People of the United States are good and we are right. And we need the spirit of an American jihad to properly invite, intensify and focus our intentions to preserve, protect and defend our Constitution here at home, and to seek to spread its principles abroad.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/28/its-time-for-american-jihad/

    We are good and we are right? By whose standard?

  79. Why should anyone be fired and any apology rendered?
    After reading the Atlantic piece along with some other material I believe Netanyahu is correctly portrayed as being more concerned with his political base than his nation and its international relations.
    I don’t discount Obama’s treatment and political stance towards Israel at all and believe it clearly helps to foster the opinions out of Tel Aviv & Jerusalem. That said Israel may be finding itself setting its course too far to its right and soon to experience the political hiccups and humblings Obamas own “red line” follies has.

  80. Off topic but regards the headlines and Ebola. 29 October finds WHO releasing info that infections are slowing with the increased numbers being better tallies of existing cases as opposed to new ones popping up. ?29 days till Thanksgiving right?

  81. That said Israel may be finding itself setting its course too far to its right and soon to experience the political hiccups and humblings Obamas own “red line” follies has.

    So I need a translation. Are you saying the world may be getting tired of Israel’s belligerence always contextualized as defense against obliteration?

  82. Alfie since you brought up Ebola, do you think Christie crossed a line with the nurse?

    I’m the first to admit Obama’s distinction between abridgment of civilian freedom and military freedom doesn’t really make sense. Especially when you consider the soldiers are at less risk than the health workers.

    He also managed to remind us he’s CIC during his statement. I’m sitting there thinking “we know, Barack, we know who you are.”

  83. I told my wife tonight that my worst nightmare may be coming true – within the next two years Obama may fulfill every nasty thing you guys have said about him – particularly the part about his not being particularly bright. 😦

  84. I told my wife tonight that my worst nightmare may be coming true – within the next two years Obama may fulfill every nasty thing you guys have said about him – particularly the part about his not being particularly bright.

    “MAY”???

    I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he crossed that river a LOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGG time ago, R.

  85. Benjamin Netanyahu makes Barack Obama look like amateur hour…and even our Congress knows it. The Jewish leader has fired and taken bullets, is the equivalent to our Navy Seals, and is well spoken off the cuff.

    Barack Obama fired up ganja, is the equivalent of the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz but can’t dance even for a black man, and is a moron off the cuff.

    But what makes that anonymous comment so ironic, as Iowahawk so wonderfully put the definition of chicken shit being anonymous, is I’ll bet it is Jane Hanoi Kerry with his 8 millimeter camera and boo boo Purple Hearts who said it. The irony is lost on the Left.

  86. I’m surprised Rutherford you still hold on to the belief Barack Obama is bright. How much more incompetent can the man prove to be, before even Leftist shills like you have to admit you were hoodwinked by a charlatan? His terms have been a disaster.

    I just read today BO’s signature legislation has been accompanied by 215,000 doctors opting out of Obamacare before it has even been fully implemented. To give you and an idea of that impact, there are approximately 893,000 practicing physicians in the United States. Do the math. And there are many in America still under the illusion this is a great deal, having no idea what’s coming down the pike – large deductibles, less choice and coverage. It will get worse.

    I’d expect that kind of rationale from some useless tool like Poolman. But I thought for sure by now you would recognize the travesty that is Barack Obama, Rutherford. Obama may by his lonesome turn the tide against your philosophical politic like Jimmy Carter did for an entire generation. I thought that in 2012, but was caught off guard how pathetic America had really become. We’ve become a nation of illiterate, puerile children, as it now demonstrates.

    By the way. Rabbit & I told you so six years ago… 🙂

  87. You know what bothered me today Tex? I said it already but let me hit it again.

    Regarding military quarantine, he said something like “this is the judgement of our military leaders who ultimately report to me as commander in chief”. I don’t have the quote exactly right but the bottom line, he HAD to remind us he was CIC. I felt like “who are you trying to convince, me or you?” It was like he was playing a role – not BEING CIC but play acting.

    I’ve never viewed him that way but today’s self identification as CIC was sooo gratuitous that it really rubbed me the wrong way.

  88. Rutherford,

    Since Jan 2009, Barack Obama has been a continuation of I, me, my, mine. Every speech includes references to his authority – there’s not an ounce of humility. Remember early on when it was whispered Barack Obama felt like he could do any job better than anyone?

    I tell you now as I told you years ago, the man is a megalomaniac and malignant narcissist, so full of himself that he will never be convinced he’s not incredibly special or ever wrong. It’s his nature.

    We’ll go through the motions the next 26 months with Beefcake as President, but the fact of the matter is that Barack Obama is a grossly incompetent fool to the rest of the world and half of America. The parts that hate America have taken full advantage, and the parts that need us hold their breath hoping to hold one. Barack Obama no longer carries any weight or respect except for the low information types and his sycophants.

    It’s been a failed experiment and one that I believe will hurt blacks in America for a very long time.

    I give your party credit for your cleverness and your ground game, the way you can manipulate the masses with a soundbite. You can win national elections, as it leaves the opposing party very little room for error.

    But I guarantee you the one thing your political philosophy cannot do, as history has proven time and again.

    Run an efficient, well oiled machine.

  89. Fair enough about your future outlook, Rutherford.

    I won’t believe the Republicans will win a Senate majority until I see it. For one thing, given La Raza’s campaigning, other loose procedures in Colorado and in other states, Democrats could still steal some close elections.

    I’m only speculating, but I think Obama will be sending many vetoes to a Republican controlled Congress.

    I hope Democrats suffer Republican derangement syndrome and some follow through with threats they made to leave the US if Bush won. It won’t happen because only extremists still believe what these people are telling them. As Sofia Jannok said we live under an “occupying regime.”

    I read a survey showing the US to be the second least informed country behind Italy. I hope I remembered it correctly.

  90. parker: Is that REALLY what you want? A total of four or five posters, the same opinions, the air of abusive language that keeps away anyone who might add some new, fresh point of view? Was that your vision when you started this blog?


    Slack: “Does this alcoholic clown’s tedious whining ever get on your nerves? Perhaps you should end the charade and give The Twisted Drunk a decision….What’s even more risible is The Drunk’s charges of inbred, being he’s as much as called his own family inbred.”

    Bunny: “Here’s to hoping he can find a little stress relief and purpose building the heathen fire and choreographing the Halloween dance of the dead. Monster mash, you whining motherfucker!” (God, Bunny, you don’t even recognize when you’re being played with, do you?)


    R: “Case in point, some outing talk got out of hand AGAIN. Comment put in moderation until I can redact the name. … Gimme a break here gang. I like to be a participant, not an administrator.”


    But you ARE the administrator. And the owner. And if this kind of chaos and dogshit on the couch is what you want, more power to you.

  91. Pucker, Parker…

    …forever sniveling about being treated like he treats others. You missed others insulting you too in your list. :twist: What do you want? Rutherford to banish virtually the entire room?

    “Bunny” twists your wrinkled, impotent balls into braids and stretches them around your bulbous, balding head. You apparently are the only one who doesn’t notice. Maybe you better give up before what’s left of your small manhood recoils and you’re turned into a Fat Granny hen. You’re almost there with your incessant whining.

  92. “I told my wife tonight that my worst nightmare may be coming true – within the next two years Obama may fulfill every nasty thing you guys have said about him – particularly the part about his not being particularly bright.”

    Just saw this.

    7 years later? WTF???

    (I know you held that belief long before the election)

    Why this might also mean that all the fawning thick-rimmed-glasses-wearing-agitators on MSNBC, whom you also admire and they in turn consider him their intellectual superior, are maybe not that bright.

    Do you think “really bright” people consider Obama “really bright?” I don’t. And remember, he considers himself really bright.

    Do you wonder why so much accomplishment was projected onto him (cough, cough. . . Nobel) and those that actually have accomplished something are demonized and dismissed out of hand (cough, cough. . . Romney)?

    And you’d for Obama again today if you could, and we all know it. 🙄

    p.s. the CIC shtick was just another one of his devices to have it both ways again. He’d be consistent, but alas he has no choice and therefore can’t be blamed. He’s the CIC and stuff. 🙄

  93. “You’re almost there with your incessant whining.”

    Fuck. “Whiny” is the understatement of the century. The broken record went full retard Fat Granny hen long ago. If he’s going to get his wish, R should start by deleting his comments for the sake of civility.

  94. What happened to the Bergdahl bullshit?

    Where’s the new Ebola czar?

    Immigrant kids on the border?

    Attacks on ISIS?

    The VA?

    NSA reforms?

    Holder replacement?

    What the fuck is he doing? Hiding on the golf course like a chicken shit?

    As Levin asks, are all the dems criticizing Obama racists since that is the test?

    R, I have never seen you so quiet on the eve of an election. Midterms are next week. Maybe yuk it up Chaz Maddow and live blog the returns with Sandy?

  95. Obama is to the United States what Mary Burk is to Wisconsin. By liberal standards, critics of Obama are racists, so Mary Burk’s detractors, including her family who fired her are sexists.

  96. R on Israel the world is done with them for good and bad reasons but I was more about the policy pursuit of Bibi. They have a right left spectrum like other democracies and one could say he is speaking more to his right than to what is in Israel best interest.
    On Christie yes I think he was both out of line and plain foolish and transparently political.
    Obama has consistently framed his FP with the CiC line,I don’t understand the frothing now. As for the DoD CDC Ebola schism there is something to be said about the nature of military personnel en masse compared to handfuls of clinical professionals. Training,diligence and out of Ebola land accommodation justify the Army being on the side of higher caution.

  97. I read a survey showing the US to be the second least informed country behind Italy. I hope I remembered it correctly.

    I’m sorry but there was something funny about the juxtaposition of those two sentences. 🙂

  98. “Why should anyone be fired and any apology rendered?”

    Because everyone heard it. Especially our friend’s enemies. Because nothing this administration does inspires trust or shows integrity or solidifies working relations or promotes peace. Because it would humanize the Obama WH in a way that the preening and incompetence and arrogance does not. Because they send Susan Rice out afterwards to rub salt in the wound like everyone has forgotten who she is. Because the thought of Iran getting nukes wipes the smile off my face no matter what happy thought I might have in my head at the time.

  99. This tedious display is repeat of everything Crocodile Dunderhead endlessly moaned about at Fat Grannies concerning the commenters there. He’s a haunt. Shuffling down the hall dragging his chains, smelling of must and decay. Bellowing “boo!” at us every chance he gets and then crying “boo hoo” when Rutherford doesn’t jump. That is the extent of his contribution.

    It’s about control. If anyone should get the “then start your own blog” boot it’s old Redeyes.

  100. @ Muffy I have to say I disagree with almost every reason you listed. There is something I find interesting on the whole chicken shit gate thing.
    Sadly the Obama Administration has not been honest and forthcoming so when they say the source wasn’t from the White House but perhaps State you have a hard time chewing on that. When State denies it you also almost have to scream that that pill doesn’t go down smoothly either.
    I have to say though that although I find it credible that the sentiment/statement is easily found in either building I’m having a harder time with the journalist reporting it.
    1) I absolutely loathe anonymous sources
    2) The guy has served in the IDF even used his experience there as a source for two of his books,one directly linked to his job as a prison guard.
    3) 1+2=3 which not to get all poolie equals suspicion. No other nation on Earth enjoys such effective influence within the halls of power in the USA as Israel does.

  101. But you ARE the administrator. And the owner. And if this kind of chaos and dogshit on the couch is what you want, more power to you.

    I’m also a father and I prefer friendship to disciplinarian. I do the latter when I have to. I’m also a bank call agent and I prefer solving callers problems to giving them lame bank-supplied excuses for why I can’t. You take the good with the bad.

  102. And you’d for Obama again today if you could, and we all know it.

    We can conjecture till the cows come home. If you boys had offered me Jon Huntsman in 2012 my vote might have been different.

    You CANNOT have a president who can’t even feign understanding the common man. Romney, no matter how competent, had not one ounce of populism in him. I just couldn’t pull the trigger for him. We are not a corporation. We are a country goddamit!

  103. Maybe yuk it up Chaz Maddow and live blog the returns with Sandy?

    Ahh good to see you remember the old days.

    Go to my blogtalkradio link on this blog on the PC and you’ll hear the election special I taped last Thursday.

    And yes I still sound like a Jewish grandmother, only more so with age. 🙂

  104. which not to get all poolie equals suspicion. No other nation on Earth enjoys such effective influence within the halls of power in the USA as Israel does.

    You suggesting that author might be fomenting discontent at Israel’s bidding?

  105. No other nation on Earth enjoys such effective influence within the halls of power in the USA as Israel does.

    • Alfie

    I’d say influence is too mild a word. Persuasive, for sure, but always a threat of recourse. The word is coercion.

  106. “You CANNOT have a president who can’t even feign understanding the common man. Romney, no matter how competent, had not one ounce of populism in him. I just couldn’t pull the trigger for him. We are not a corporation. We are a country goddamit!”

    So it must be run by a dishonest idiot?

  107. R, your logic is lost on me. I know imagery and your perceptions of who “feels” more. But for the love of God man, Obama hasn’t a clue about the common man, other than what use he can make of them to advance his political standing. As for experience and record of success? He couldn’t run a lemonade stand let alone a country. And the results don’t feel so good.

    “George Washington? We’re running a country, not an army. Find me a divisive dolt that says he feels our pain!” -No one.

  108. Holy shit. I thought your days as an internet radio show celebrity were over.

    I’ll have to give it a listen — well, after the Jewish guys leave so they don’t have flashbacks of their overbearing mommas’ disapproving tone.

  109. There is no doubt that some of what Romney said turned prescient, particularly about Russia. If Romney ran an “I told you so” campaign in 2016 he just might beat HRC. If it comes down to Mitt vs Hill, Mitt may get my vote.

    Sadly American politics often comes down to the lesser of two evils. Obama has ruined any notion I had that anyone truly heroic could run for office. First of all, too much money and as Cindi Lauper sang, money changes everything.

  110. Whatever the merits of the insult real diplomats don’t say such things publicaly. It is merely another aspect of amateur hour.

    Rutherford, if you sound like a Jewish grandmother, we may have something else in common besides glaucoma. The ancestory.com genetics test showed though I am mostly British and Scandinavian, I also have genes of European Jews.
    Does 1 to 3% let me celebrate Hanukkah? I suspect I am more Jewish and Kazakhsstani than Elizabeth Warren is Indian.

  111. There was no real contest between Obama and Romney to people who paid attention without emotions. Their records showed it all. Romney helped save the winter Olympics in Utah. Obama was snookered by the Gazabo to Nowhere.

  112. I suspect I am more Jewish and Kazakhsstani than Elizabeth Warren is Indian.

    Poor Lizzie. She just can’t catch a break with you. I bet you still haven’t forgiven her for giving her abusive mother 40 wacks.

    Oh wait … that was Lizzie Borden. 🙂

  113. Ha Ha Rutherford! Here is a video view of life on your blog, and why I like it. Look at the signs and listen to the words. This is your blog,

  114. Thanks Rutherford. It is an interesting and sad story. One of the links shows Richard Ashcroft singing his song with Cold Play.

    I agree with rabbit.

  115. “If Romney ran an “I told you so” campaign in 2016 he just might beat HRC. ”

    Fuck Romney. What about our “I told you so” outlet?

    Rutherford, sometimes I want to smack the shit out of you with a rolled copy of the New York Times screaming I TOLD YOU SO!!!. My favorite strikes would be the ones that were half blocked by your trembling hands as you utter high pitched apologies.

    Seriously….at every turn of this blog you were played.

    After beating you with the newspaper I would rock you to sleep. Petting your odd shaped head….you duped poor soul.

  116. As if the Stones don’t owe a hundred black dudes the same thing.

    Actually Rabbit the video says just that. Bittersweet Symphony borrowed from “The Last Time” by the Stones which it turns out was a ripoff of The Staples Singers.

  117. Rutherford every politician,or other public figure has a multitude of sides. I never liked the guy and as his terms tallied up I disliked him even more so.
    Routinely known as the neighborhood mayor with a legacy of development in the city it’s tragic that the very legacy folks applaud so thoroughly screwed the blue collar class. One great example is how he helped the colleges literally take over the Mission Hill neighborhood. Other development policies greatly energized gentrification in many corners of the city.
    Bostons three legacy mayors,Menino,Flynn and White, so thoroughly exemplified the system mayor,the machine politics seen in many cities. White dealt with the desegregation forced busing nightmare. Flynn found a million ways to help South Boston disproportionately than any other neighborhood and then Mumbles Menino courted everyone else.
    These things plus quite simply being in the right place at the right time is what history will tell of him.

  118. Rabbit I thought your preferred weapon would be a rolled up copy of Guns and Ammo. Oh wait, that’s G. Or is it BiC?

    The Constitution, if only so I could hear you pitifully parrot Erza “I’m Dumber Than A Bag Of Hammers” Klein’s inane talking points about it being antiquated and hard to understand.

  119. Mary Landrieu was elected 3 times by the sexists/racists of Louisiana. Charles Rangel tells us that a lot of white folks are under the impression slavery is over. Spike ‘Irrelevant Midget’ Lee is calling post-racial America bullshit (wait until his ilk burn Ferguson to the ground). They’re running KKK lynching advertisements in North Carolina governor’s race. And we’ve got Abortion Barbie playing in Texas.

    As it gets near the election, I remember why loathe these divisive assholes so much.

    You’ll note I haven’t said much about the elections this midterm. I gave up on America in 2012. But I would like to see Harry Reid kicked to the sidelines.

  120. The bigger question is why don’t blacks find this incredibly offensive? To parallel the political destruction of a flawed president to the most heinous crime committed against blacks is reprehensible.

    For some libs blacks are nothing but tools to be manipulated. It is truly disgusting.

  121. You can lead a horse to water, but sometimes you have to pry its mouth open and pour the water down. Obama,through his incompetence and over reach is providing the pry bar. We really need a massive Republican victory and legislators who will actually accomplish something good. If not, the old Democrats will return.

  122. We really need a massive Republican victory and legislators who will actually accomplish something good.

    With a focus on accomplish. The only consolation I will get out of a GOP sweep is the potential for gridlock to end.

  123. With a focus on accomplish. The only consolation I will get out of a GOP sweep is the potential for gridlock to end.

    1. I prefer no law to bad law.

    2. I can’t wait for legislation to pass both houses with impressive majorities, only to have President Petulant say no, and them demagogue them for thwarting the “will of the people” and have the message repeated ad nauseum by the loyal media foot soldiers.

  124. “Accomplish” to me means approving judges and bureauocrats who are not radical leftists, removing some regulations which are harming our economy, and removing the effects where possible of Obama’s worst executive actions. Investigating this administration’s misdeeds is another “accomplishment.”.Republicans, if they win should be very careful, lest they lose it again.

    The Guardian has an article “Foreign jihadists flocking to Iraq and Syria on unprecedented scale–UN. The UN lists over 80 countries with citizens fighting with ISIS.Obama’s bombing strategy is not succeeding. We are the weak horse.

    Our increased oil and natural gas production is helping hold down oil prices, no thanks to Obama.

  125. That’s exactly right, BIC. Good to have you back.

    I can’t wait for legislation to pass both houses with impressive majorities, only to have President Petulant say no, and them demagogue them for thwarting the “will of the people” and have the message repeated ad nauseum by the loyal media foot soldiers.

    I want to see this flimflam for President forced to pull out his veto pen, pass executive orders, etc…It’s time Barack Obama pushed out into the light and forced to fight his own battles. But even more importantly, I want the Lame Stream Media forced to explain the vetoes.

    If you can stomach it sometime, pull any New York Times article included with comments, and read the comments to determine just how stupid the supposed highly intelligent, Ivy League gentry really are.

  126. The UN lists over 80 countries with citizens fighting with ISIS.

    Now that can’t be right, James. Remember, the Left has been telling us the problem isn’t Islam but the war criminal George Bush. Bush is the one that created all these saintly jhadi types. 😉

  127. That’s true, Tex, but the UN is sacrosanct to liberals. Some even wish the UN was running the world. How can they dispute the UN without having a Star Trek computer logic melt down?

    According the Drudge Report links, Democrats are suddenly panicking They are grasping for the life boats and revealing their true racism and misogany.

    How can they be so stupid and arrogant that they haven’t seen this coming before now?

    I will wait until after the election to celebrate, because the worm could still turn, but watching liberal discomfature is still fun.

  128. “2012.” Great answer.

    I just got back from canceling out Rutherford’s vote. If I get a chance later on I’ll go vote again but parking in Chinatown is a bear.

  129. I think I found a group of low information voters with way too much influence and money even more unpopular than Obama. 😈

    Seems Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Justin Beiber, Katy Perry, and a few other Obama carrot cuffers have paid handsomely on a down payment to fly the initial public flight on Richard Branson’s Virgin Galactic. The same craft that blew up today.

    And the overwhelming opinion seems to be what a shame these Hollywood souls weren’t on today’s flight. 😛

    To infinity and beyond!

  130. The UN says those 80 countries are providing 15,000 fighters. Shall we introduce some basic math into this discussion?

    15,000 divided by 1.6 billion (estimated number of Muslims in the world) equals 0.000009375

    Take that 0.00001 and multiply that by 319 million (rough estimate of US population) and you get 2991.

    Raise your hand if you think a sample size of 2991 people accurately reflects the totality of the US population.

    James, who wishes the UN ruled the world? Be specific. Otherwise you’re just beating on a straw man.

  131. Yeah I flubbed some of the numbers above when I was originally working from the generalized assumption that there are 1.5 bil Muslims instead of 1.6 bil, and then didn’t adjust all of the numbers accordingly.

  132. I just got back from canceling out Rutherford’s vote. If I get a chance later on I’ll go vote again but parking in Chinatown is a bear.

    LOL you’ll go vote again. Don’t forget that I voted for all the unopposed Republicans on the ballot so in some cases you voted with me.

    How could you vote for Rauner? He kills old women and babies? 😉

  133. Huck, you are right. The number that leave all the western comforts of home to fight a barbaric, savage war thousands of miles away is kind of small.

    But not that small when you think that these people are leaving all the western comforts of home to fight a barbaric, savage war thousands of miles away!

    That is fucked up shit of the highest order.

    Remember, 19 brought upon 911.

  134. Remember, 19 brought upon 911.

    Technically you’re wrong. The 19 got very “lucky”. It took two administrations with a lack of focus (Clinton and Bush) and flight instructors too stupid to wonder why a bunch of foreigners wanted to learn how to fly but weren’t that interested in learning how to land. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Those 19 got a lot of “help” and I’m not talking Poolman truther nonsense.

  135. Huck,I was joking based on the fact that a small minority of Americans thinks a world government would nearly end wars, and would make other governmental functions more efficient.

    . A robotic space probe was lost in space for generations and it changed to interpret its directive to be extermination of all life. Captain Kirk made it melt down with conflicting logic.

    My private joke was that since some Americans favor a world government, and accept the UN’s image of the world, the UN charge that so many countries are losing citizens to support ISIS runs counter to what one would expect from the UN.. Hence conflicting information.

    It was so arcane, I was the only one who got it, so i was writing it for myself.

    New American “The United Nations:on the Brink of Becoming a World Government” tells us that some Republican and Democratic globalists advocate openly and indirectly transforming the UN into a world government. The blog’s bias is conservative, but items like the Law of the Sea Treaty would lead to greater UN control.

    The Durban Platform which would replace the Kyoto Protocol would call for “legal force” to enforce it instead of “legally binding” actions for Koyoto. (Council on Foreign Relations)

    The Brookings Institution sponsors a variety of programs, including one which favors establishing a UN dominated world government.

    The Global center for the Responsibility to Protect believes that when a state is unable or unwilling to protect civilians from autrocities the international community must intervene.

    The Institute for Policy studies wants to bring American foreign policy under UN control.

    Two of my government college professors supported a world government.

  136. I’ve gotten to where I really hate Halloween. Until a couple of years ago, I used to pass out candy. My wife still does. Then I had a bad episode with some teenagers and washed my hands of it.

    I miss the cute little kids, though. Bought a couple of sheet cakes for the cuties across the street, “my girlfriends Victoria and Lauren and called that Halloween. Been cheaper to pass out candy.

    Now I have to turn off all the lights, lock myself in the family room with the Louvre doors shut, unplug the Malibu lights, and watch a movie in low light.

    Godzilla 2014. Used to love to see Godzilla movies when I was a kid. The 2014 version worth about $1.46 too. 🙂 But this Bryan Cranston is a good actor. Damn shame he died off early in the flick.

  137. Tex back in the day I’d deliberately work late so trick-or-treat was over by the time I got home.

    LOL. It’s a bitch to be nice anymore, ain’t it? I’m trying really hard not to become the old neighborhood fart so I’m sweet to the children. The adults can kiss my grits. Give me the Rutherford Lawson Blog, a TV, small kids and good dogs. The rest of them can lump it. 🙂

  138. We’re usually reading or watching movies in the back of the house with all the front lights off. That’s been my family tradition. We don’t participate. I bought candy plenty in the past, but it was for me. My kids got into the whole thing when they had kids. The costumes are cute and everything they do is well-supervised.

    As a kid growing up it was totally different than today. We always had a blast and went out unsupervised. It wasn’t until I was an adult that I had a problem with the whole celebration and significance. Today it is one more beautiful day and I choose to rejoice and be glad in it. This year we helped with the ‘Family Fun Fest’ at church which made it quite different and interesting.

  139. I’m not talking Poolman truther nonsense.

    Nonsense? Whatchu talkin’ ’bout, Willis? 15 were Saudis and we let 2 dozen bin Laden’s fly out of the states right after 911 when all other flights were grounded! Why was it we didn’t bomb Saudi Arabia again? Rutherford, a truther questions the official story. Mostly he says the government is lying and covering something up with their pre-written story line complete with animations.

    Remember, NO ONE went to jail or got fired for incompetence. It was judged a case of the keystone cops all around.

    So do you think our government lies to us or keeps secrets from us, or are you still so attached to the teat that your bigger vision is obscured?

  140. Yeah, 19 pulled off 9/11.

    My comment was speaking to the generalization put forth that people leaving from 80 countries to go join ISIS was somehow proof that the problem is Islam, rather than the fucked up interpretation of it by a relatively (and I stress that word) small group of people.

    I am not, however, saying that the group of people can’t bring about a lot of misery or that they don’t need to wiped out.

    James, While I’m an advocate for the general idea of the UN as a forum for discussion, and I think the US is better off being a part of that discussion than outside of it, even I can’t buy into any kind of world government nonsense. I appreciate your reply.

  141. “As a kid growing up it was totally different than today. ” Poolman

    Ha ha….yeah. You were on the receiving end of candy and now you have to give it.

    Yeah…its a pain in the ass. But the kids love it. What’s wrong with you Scrooges?

    Practically every kid that came to my house said “thank you”. You guys would have cracked up at my two year old dressed up as Thor. He usually doesn’t participate in shit. He said “Trick or Treat” and “Thank You” at every house. Apart from walking right into a few living rooms oblivious to social norms, it was quite the break through for him.

    My early memories of Halloween are of anarchy, fires and anxiety.

    Now its soccer Moms walking little kids to the house to get candy.

    Devils Night has turned into Angels Night.

    Not everything was better back in the day.

  142. You’re welcome, Huck. I also think the UN has its place.

    Liberals used to say “Bush lied. People died.” Some of us have already used a variant of the saying to Obama.Now, we may be able to say “Obama lied and children got sick.” The Briefing Room and other sources report that Obama’s letting thousands of children and teen agers into the US probably let three strains of the EV-D68 virus move with them. It has killed nine children so far.

    Nora Chapman of the University of Nebraska said scientists need to do a genetic test to prove or disprove the link, though statistical evidence supports the connection between the epidemic and the children’s invasion,.

    A series of government researchers refused to comment. Lone Simonsen, a professor at George Washington University said “I would just stay away from it. It is not helpful,, so why bring it up?” As Hillary said “What at this point does it matter?”

    Jihadists wouldn’t need to bring Ebola here. They could use something like this virus or a strain of the flu to disable parts of the country. It wouldn’t even have to be fatal if enough people got sick, I have already told you what I witnessed when 40 to 60% of the local population in Essex got the flu.

  143. Thisislotta, a Finish vlooger described Halloween in Finland. When she was ten, she and a friend put on costumes and walked through the neighborhood to trick or treat because they wanted to be cool like American kids. A man answered the door, and the girls said “Trick or treat!” He was astonished. “What are you doing?” We are going trick or treating like American kids.” “I don’t know anything about this, and we don’t have any candy.” “Never mind. That’s all right.” the girls said.

    “Wait. Would you like some money” “Ok.” The girls went through the neighborhood and knocked on other doors. They didn’t get any candy, but residents felt so sorry for them, they gave them money. “We were little scam artists.”

  144. Huck –
    It’s been said here before: the percentages don’t really matter, because the silent majority doesn’t get involved. Weapons make it possible for the lunatic minority, no matter how small, to enforce their wills upon the majority, no matter how large.

    Yes, the vast majority of Islamists are peace-loving good guys, but they don’t matter, and you can just leave them in peace. But, just like the christians or any other superstition, it’s the violent minority whose actions set the agenda, and for the sane secular world there is no choice – they must be dealt with – by force, if necessary.

  145. James: “There was no real contest between Obama and Romney to people who paid attention without emotions. Their records showed it all. Romney helped save the winter Olympics in Utah. Obama was snookered by the Gazabo to Nowhere.”

    In the end, the people get the government they deserve. Nowhere more apparent than in US, where voter turnout is abysmal. And no better example on the planet than the contest between Romney and Obama.

  146. Huck,

    Without getting into a pissing contest with you, I simply provide you with statistics that bust this myth about the religion of peace being about peace. You act as if ISIL is an anomaly. They’re the most visible I’ll grant you that on account of the brutality, but they are hardly alone in their radicalism.

    Of course the problem is Islam. It’s very founder and false prophet was a man of violence. Mohammad was a mass murderer who killed thousands. Does this mean all Muslims have traits of psychopaths? Of course not. But neither does it add to some small number of radicals.


    Here’s the most current statistics I can find:

    France. A new, widely-covered poll shows that a full 16% of French people have positive attitudes toward ISIS. That includes 27% of French between the ages of 18-24. Anne-Elizabeth Moutet of Newsweek wrote, “This is the ideology of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds…these are the same people who torch synagogues.”

    Britain. In 2006, a poll for the Sunday Telegraph found that 40% of British Muslims wanted shariah law in the United Kingdom, and that 20% backed the 7/7 bombers. Another poll from that year showed that 45% of British Muslims said that 9/11 was an American/Israeli conspiracy; that poll showed that one-quarter of British Muslims believed that the 7/7 bombings were justified.

    Palestinian Areas. A poll in 2011 showed that 32% of Palestinians supported the brutal murder of five Israeli family members, including a three-month-old baby. In 2009, a poll showed that 78% of Palestinians had positive or mixed feelings about Osama Bin Laden. A 2013 poll showed 40% of Palestinians supporting suicide bombings and attacks against civilians. 89% favored sharia law. Currently, 89% of Palestinians support terror attacks on Israel.

    Pakistan. After the killing of Osama Bin Laden, the Gilani Foundation did a poll of Pakistanis and found that 51% of them grieved for the terrorist mastermind, with 44% of them stating that he was a martyr. In 2009, 26% of Pakistanis approved of attacks on US troops in Iraq. That number was 29% for troops in Afghanistan. Overall, 76% of Pakistanis wanted strict shariah law in every Islamic country.

    Morocco. A 2009 poll showed that 68% of Moroccans approved of terrorist attacks on US troops in Iraq; 61% backed attacks on American troops in Afghanistan as of 2006. 76% said they wanted strict sharia law in every Islamic country.

    Jordan. 72% of Jordanians backed terror attacks against US troops in Iraq as of 2009. In 2010, the terrorist group Hezbollah had a 55% approval rating; Hamas had a 60% approval rating.

    Indonesia: In 2009, a poll demonstrated that 26% of Indonesians approved of attacks on US troops in Iraq; 22% backed attacks on American troops in Afghanistan. 65% said they agreed with Al Qaeda on pushing US troops out of the Middle East. 49% said they supported strict sharia law in every Islamic country. 70% of Indonesians blamed 9/11 on the United States, Israel, someone else, or didn’t know. Just 30% said Al Qaeda was responsible.

    Egypt. As of 2009, 87% of Egyptians said they agreed with the goals of Al Qaeda in forcing the US to withdraw forces from the Middle East. 65% said they wanted strict sharia law in every Islamic country. As of that same date, 69% of Egyptians said they had either positive or mixed feelings about Osama Bin Laden. In 2010, 95% of Egyptians said it was good that Islam is playing a major role in politics.

    United States. A 2013 poll from Pew showed that 13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam. A 2011 poll from Pew showed that 21 percent of Muslims are concerned about extremism among Muslim Americans. 19 percent of American Muslims as of 2011 said they were either favorable toward Al Qaeda or didn’t know.


    This adds to tens of millions – not a small number. The further these nations removed from the West, the more radicalized they have become.

  147. Apart from walking right into a few living rooms oblivious to social norms, it was quite the break through for him.

    LOL that image cracked me up.

    On a side note, an old lady encouraged the kids to come inside and when my daughter relayed the story to us later she said “yeah you guys can go in and get murdered, I’m staying outside.” LOL a truly 21st century kid.

  148. Tex, Nick Kristof cites your stats but presents a more balanced view.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/opinion/nicholas-kristof-the-diversity-of-islam.html

    Not only that but we both know polls are crap. The majority of Americans like the Affordable Care Act and dislike Obamacare. Then you add the fact the polls are given in a foreign language where translation to English can be dicey and you have more crap.

    I saw author Reza Aslan discuss this and he made several good points:

    1. Many Muslims who tell a pollster they want Sharia don’t even know WTF they are talking about. They don’t know the full extent of Sharia.
    2. Religion is lived – experienced. It’s not public declarations. Islam, as lived by the vast majority of its adherents is normal and everyday.

    I think we need a balancing act of vociferously opposing Muslim violence while not condemning the entire religion.

  149. On a thoroughly different plane…
    Does anyone here actually find Apple CEO coming out is noteworthy? Personally I can’t believe the pompous nature of it. Making a contribution to LGBT community? Helping diversity? Taking a stand?
    You’re a fucking businessman get over yourself and please let the gay community get over themselves.

  150. Ironic Rutherford how you give the religion of pieces every leniency, yet a few real anomalies of Christianity liking murdering Tiller the Baby Killer are etched in stone upon your memory. You certainly have no problem condemning virtually all of Christianity. What an utter duplicitous, confused man you are, Rutherford. This year, Samaritan’s Purse will give out it’s one-hundred millionth Christmas package to the poorest children of the world, and the package completely secular. You can find fault with people like that.

    But not nearly as ironic as using a Leftist shill like Kristof as legitimate source to speak about religion. {snicker}

    Kristof, as you will recall, no more than six weeks ago was scolding White America for not understanding the black dilemma and taking Southern white men to task.

    As if a West side Manhattan Lib speaks can speak confidently of inner city Black America. 😈 Truly, you clowns from the Left don’t

  151. “First, historically, Islam was not particularly intolerant, and it initially elevated the status of women. Anybody looking at the history even of the 20th century would not single out Islam as the bloodthirsty religion; it was Christian/Nazi/Communist Europe and Buddhist/Taoist/Hindu/atheist Asia that set records for mass slaughter.”

    I don’t know if that’s true. Seems like some of it could be but mostly it sounds like fast talk.

    I don’t know what to do with his other two “points of nuance” either. Islam has a bad side and there are a ton of Muslims.

  152. Tex you exaggerate about my beliefs but your point is valid. It is just as wrong to condemn all of Christianity because of Tiller’s killer as it is to denounce every Muslim as a jihadist.

  153. I don’t know if that’s true. Seems like some of it could be but mostly it sounds like fast talk.

    That very fast talk is echoed by you and Tex whenever convenient. How many times have you guys reminded me of how savage atheists are?

  154. Nah. The Christian/Nazi/Communism fast talk seems to present 20th century Christians visiting mass slaughter on a people. He packages it as a bundle to slip it by the reader.

    The example he might ought to use that fits is 20th century progressives and the mass slaughter of fetuses. Most progressives haven’t had abortions.

  155. Rutherford you must know what he’s talking about regarding Islam initially elevating the status of women then. What’s that about?

  156. Honestly don’t know Muffy but it’s certainly worth investigation. I claim no expertise on Islam but I definitely gravitate toward balanced presentations vs blanket condemnation.

    One of Tex’s defenses of Christianity is its longevity. Islam has longevity too. Over the arc of history evil ideologies never survive. This tells me Islam has seen its good days and it’s bad ones.

  157. Vague references to Islam “initially elevating the status of women” only sounds like balance but its a feint. The author dodges an uncomfortable truth. What does that even mean? Islam is going through a phase? Women dont have it so good now but it wasn’t always so bad?

  158. Islam is going through a phase? Women dont have it so good now but it wasn’t always so bad?

    What I get out of this is any religion is only as “good” as the people practicing it at any given time. The reason Kristof or anyone else cites a more peaceful Islamic history is to say that the problem lies not with the religion but with the folks practicing it. Others here have said, and it makes sense to me, that what plagues Islam is a combination of dogma found in the scripture COMBINED with political/power issues. It is fair to say ISIL is as much a political force as it is a religious one.

    I know you hate the parallel but Tiller’s killer felt God was on his side and I’m quite sure he could support his position with a twisted interpretation of scripture. The same goes for folks who beat up gays — how many times have we heard that the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination?

  159. “You’re a fucking businessman get over yourself”

    Precisely what he did. Calls for him to “come out” were distracting Apple from its main business. Now. There. It’s done. We can get back to making money.

    “please let the gay community get over themselves”

    Everybody who feels persecuted has a hard time doing that. How much time has been wasted here admonishing Rutherford to do exactly the same thing, and get on with life?

  160. re: Islam vs christianity. There is no difference whatsoever between the irrationality of one vs the other. Whether you believe in a fellow who looks like Barry Gibb or a Blessed Camel Jockey, once one steps across the line of superstition vs rational thought, any behavior can be justified by some perverse interpretation of “scripture,” and, of course, has been.

    The biggest danger to human freedom is in looking at the atrocities of groups like ISIS and saying to oneself, “That sort of thing could never happen here.”

  161. Over the arc of history evil ideologies never survive.

    I suppose if you grow up in Disneyland you can espouse this belief. It doesn’t mesh with the real world, however. Since evil is generally not socially acceptable, most operate covertly and/or exist under the guise of other seemingly benevolent institutions. They are just as old and steeped in tradition as those mainstream ‘faiths’ we all are familiar with.

  162. The biggest danger to human freedom is in looking at the atrocities of groups like ISIS and saying to oneself, “That sort of thing could never happen here.”

    The 20th century documented the biggest danger to human freedom came under the banner:

    “You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about God is sheer nonsense.” ~ Josef Stalin

    Or

    “Religious leaders are enemies of the people.” ~ Mao Zedong

    You read just like they sound, Pucker.

  163. “Everybody who feels persecuted has a hard time doing that. How much time has been wasted here admonishing Rutherford to do exactly the same thing, and get on with life?” Pfaker

    What are you talking about? We all supported Rutherford when he came out of the closet.

  164. What are you talking about? We all supported Rutherford when he came out of the closet.

    😆 😆

    I always thought the most enduring and an admired quality I found in Rutherford is his libido. Like Slick Clinton. Well, Rutherford appears to have a little more self-control, mind you. And as far as I know, he’s not a rumored serial rapist.

  165. Apples earnings and their long time progressive benefits and business programs would seem to indicate that any distractions were fallacies shrouding an agenda that refuses to recognize reality

  166. Agreed, Alfie. There’s this recent phenomenon building in all walks of life – seeking adulation that requires no courage. Something heroic about announcing your sexuality. It’s a form of narcissism I believe.

  167. Being it’s a pretty well known fact that the Computer Engineering/IT profession lends itself for whatever reason to attracting a large gay community, I received my introduction to the gay lifestyle (not as a participant mind you) one night when I was invited to a party by my gay boss all the way back in 1985. It was also the first time I was introduced to the devastation of HIV in the gay community. I remember I washed my hands about ten times that evening. Not a great deal was known about AIDS back then and I wasn’t taking any chances.

    It wasn’t the kind of Roman orgy I had in my mind before attending, and in fact, I found the women in attendance far stranger than the men. It was only the second time I had ever seen cocaine. I assume these folks knew I was straight. They partied in high style. Though the booze flowed, I nursed one drink for what seemed an entire evening and called it an early night.

    Nonetheless, I only attended one and that was enough. Ronald Reagan was demonized throughout the event – and I could only giggle thinking Reagan had just swept almost the entire country in a national election the year before. I held my tongue and smiled, being a newbie at work.

    Mark, my boss, was incredibly talented and creative individual who taught me a lot about good programming – but perhaps the moodiest, most unstable person I ever met. That may have been the drugs.

    He had the most beautiful exotic flowering plants I’ve ever seen. Mark would have fit in well at Apple most likely. He left our company for Microsoft and I never heard what happened to him after that.

  168. ”I know you hate the parallel but Tiller’s killer felt God was on his side and I’m quite sure he could support his position with a twisted interpretation of scripture.”

    On the contrary, I appreciate that you know the victim’s name for your lonely sample of the Christian parallel to the last words heard by MANY THIS VERY DAY of “allahu akbar.” Tiller’s killer offered as representative of the exception to the rule bothers me none. Nor the witch trials of the late 17th century. It underscores the weakness of the proof.

    ”The same goes for folks who beat up gays — how many times have we heard that the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination?”

    So someone who beats up gays could use a twisted interpretation of scripture to support his position. Let’s try some substance. Examples of this event actually occurring? Have you any evidentiary support at all for the meaning you attach to the nebulous “points of nuance” in the article?

    The town drunk here conveniently dismisses Gosnell as an “exception” and warns us not to judge him as representative. Rutherford you substitute meaning for content that the religious followers are perverted, not the religion. And that all religions are alike in that way or something. Yet neither the author or the town drunk or you, Rutherford, offers anything of substance to that end.

  169. What are you talking about? We all supported Rutherford when he came out of the closet.

    LOL With my respiratory problems I had no choice but to come out of the closet. It gets real musty in there.

  170. Being it’s a pretty well known fact that the Computer Engineering/IT profession lends itself for whatever reason to attracting a large gay community,

    LOL WTF are you talking about? Programmers are gay? Interior designers, hair stylists, fashion experts – yeah well known gay enclaves. But Computer Engineering and IT??

    Maybe it’s a Southern thing – the only way you can avoid being a tobacco chewing dumb fuck is to swing the other way?

  171. Muffy I think it’s safe to say every anti-abortion crime committed in this country (bombings, arson, vandalism, many many threats) have been committed in the name of Jesus. The Tiller killer is just one of the most famous.

  172. Tex, both you and Poolman missed the point. Of course evil is omnipresent and takes different forms but I maintain that over the arc of history good overtakes each INSTANCE of evil every time. The debasement of Caligula did not prevail. Communism (if one defines that as evil) has all but disappeared (with China trying to have its communist cake and eat it too). Slavery was abolished.

    Over the long term good prevails. Does that mean evil, overall, is defeated? Of course not. There are always new manifestations. But each variety of evil eventually meets its demise.

  173. LOL WTF are you talking about? Programmers are gay? Interior designers, hair stylists, fashion experts – yeah well known gay enclaves. But Computer Engineering and IT??

    I didn’t say all programmers are gay. I said the occupation lends itself to a higher than average gay populace, dipshit. I forget you’re not a real technical guy. You’re a data entry processor and a Math Spanish major . Go back to parroting MSNBC talking points and Obama fawning. It’s all you do really well to be honest.

    And no, Poolman and I didn’t miss the point. You don’t know WTF you’re talking about, as usual.

  174. The Tiller killer is just one of the most famous.

    That and the fact the crime so rare. But then in fairness, since McVeigh thought like you did Rutherford that there is no ‘god’, then I suppose I could conclude atheists represent the vast majority of federal bombings. 🙄

  175. I didn’t say all programmers are gay. I said the occupation lends itself to a higher than average gay populace, dipshit. I forget you’re not a real technical guy. …

    Another one of your abusive non-answers. Yawn.

  176. then I suppose I could conclude atheists represent the vast majority of federal bombings.

    You roll your eyes now but YOU are the primary proponent of the theory that atheists have been the most savage. If I had a dime for every time you’ve mentioned Pol Pot I wouldn’t be taking calls for a living.

  177. “Maybe it’s a Southern thing – the only way you can avoid being a tobacco chewing dumb fuck is to swing the other way?” -Rutherford

    Fuck yeah dude. Same with the niger thing, brah. The only way you can avoid being a Grape Koolaid swilling niger thug is to swing the other way. Fucken A dude. You and me are pretty smart dude. Great minds think alike dude.

  178. Cute Rabbit. My absurd answer was in direct reply to Tex’s equally asinine conclusion that IT attracts gays. Dumbest goddam thing I’ve heard in ages.

    Now the fact that you couldn’t recognize that I was answering Tex’s stupidity with parody makes me wonder if you’re a tobacco chewing dumbfuck.

  179. The IT community is indeed known for being progressive, nerd hipster and more inclined to be gay. Social progressive with a libertarian bent.

  180. Rabbit the Daily Show did a great satire on that gay dude who was hoping to be picked up by some pro team. They said he didn’t get picked up cos his locker room behavior was totally inappropriate. Not enough ass grabbing and snapping towels at his teammates genitals. 🙂

  181. He didnt say they are “gay”. Just more accepting of gays and more prone to be gay then say…. I dont know…. the mechanical egineering field. Particularly in the 80’s.

    Don’t get was so controversial about that. Damn liberals get possessive about certain narratives.

  182. Being it’s a pretty well known fact that the Computer Engineering/IT profession lends itself for whatever reason to attracting a large gay community,

    Just posting the quote for you again Rabbit. “Pretty well known fact”. “Attracting a large gay community“. Time for me to Google whatever stats might exist for “gay occupations”. If I find IT among them I shall eat crow without any condiments.

  183. I’ve always hated the ass slapping thing. Although I probably snapped a few towels.

    I used to have this boss….First Class in the Navy…dude was always telling us what we had to do for the day while ass naked. Didn’t give a fuck about being naked….and used it as a bizarre weapon. Dead pan conversations stark naked. Every morning.

    We would always be laughing and telling him what the hell…fine…we will strip and wax the floors for the fourth time, just get the hell away from us!

  184. Even if you find he is wrong nationally…or currently…which I dont think you will….I still find your reaction kind of odd.

  185. Antecol 2008 offers figures that are the easiest to understand. Gay males are overrepresented in jobs where less than half the employees are male, while lesbians are overrepresented in jobs where more than 60% of employees are male. “Specifically, gay men were less likely to be in the following occupations: Protective, transportation, architecture/engineering, installation/repair, and construction/extraction…. Interestingly, lesbian women were less likely to be in certain ‘pink-collar’ occupations, including office administration and sales.”
    For readers concerned with the fact the computer industry is overrun with antisocial male geeks, gay males and lesbians were in fact overrepresented in “computer/math” occupations in this study.

    .

    From http://joeclark.org/gaymoney/findings/

    I lied. I’m putting mustard on my crow.

  186. I bought a new Galaxy Note 4 Phone and rooted that bitch. Took out all the bloatware and gained control of when every app sleeps or awakes. I’m telling you…thing is better then a lap top.

    Huge screen. Long lasting battery (after root) and blazing fast. With a sd card it is 190 gig or more?

    Plus I can use the stylus thingy for work stuff etc.

    I think I might even start typing coherent sentences soon.

  187. Rutherford….again…its not that you were wrong…(I would have bet money you were)…but it was the tone…really weird. Angry Belky is not very likeable.

  188. I’m impressed Rabbit. The minute I see “voids warranty” I become a complete pussy. I’d never root or jailbreak a device.

    Hell, I consider myself bold installing pure android apps on my Kindle Fire.

  189. I didn’t think my tone was angry. I found Tex’s assertion ridiculous (but apparently not) and I tossed in an anti-south bash for the fun of it. Musta gotten lost in blog-translation.

  190. Its super easy. Ten step directions. One fuck up though and you could be screwed. After that its knowing what 3rd party apps to put on the phone so that you can make sense of having administrative control of your own damn phone. (Strange to me that is a act of rebellion).

    It’s kind of a secret nerd hobby of mine. I get this computer that people call a phone and have the potential to make it 30 percent better if I just pay attention to detail for a night.

    At least your are impressed. My wife rolls her eyes at me.

    Tech is the one area where socialism sometimes rings true. People will bust their ass to come up with a hack so that the rest of us can get a better product.

    These third party apps needed to run the phone are free. And…they are diligently vetted by other nerds so that we know they are not nefarious.

  191. Rutherford, why do you get to have a dramatic blue line ending your comment and us scoundrels have some faint grey one?

  192. These third party apps needed to run the phone are free. And…they are diligently vetted by other nerds so that we know they are not nefarious.

    You have to be very careful to vet the vetting and find trusted software. Open source and freeware are the Wild West of tech. An ounce of prevention …

  193. Rutherford, why do you get to have a dramatic blue line ending your comment and us scoundrels have some faint grey one?

    I’ve wondered about the different colored lines and I haven’t figured it out. I thought perhaps WP was grouping comments with replies but I don’t think that’s it.

  194. R, the funny thing…is there is only one app not offered by the google market that I use, one that blocks all adds online.

    The other three must haves are from the google market place and have been around for years. But you are correct.

    However- I say the same to you. You have no idea what is crawling all over your data. You know how many thrid party apps are on a bloated phone? I’ve already taken off 30 or 40 (I freeze them and pay attention to stability and then eliminate them after a couple days). On my last phone I took off 80 or 90 processes. Think about that. They aint all google. Google and Apple whore these phones out.

  195. You’re absolutely right Rabbit. The same thing goes for preloaded PCs. Yet it’s funny that folks are much more comfortable formatting a hard drive and starting from scratch than they are rooting a phone and taking control.

    It’s also interesting folks have been building their PC environments for years now. Hard core dudes opting for Linux so they don’t even get the bells and whistles that come with Windows. Yet the smartphone environment has always been locked down. Android less so than iOS. Come to think of it the Mac OS was always more locked down than Windows.

  196. In fact I’d wager there are more gay football players than programmers.

    Sorry Rutherford. I not only find you fickle and blind, I often find you entirely stupid. Religion, women, foreign policy, you’re no better than Densico. Real stupid. In fact, on a number of subjects like this one, you’re abjectly stupid.

    You’re not really a tech guy. You’re a Spanish Major. But if you don’t know something that is rather common knowledge, especially the graphic arts, you’re profoundly ignorant. Disney ring any bells, dumbass? Gawd Lord, it’s no wonder you make the decisions in life you make.

    FAILURE…

  197. You’re not really a tech guy. You’re a Spanish Major. But if you don’t know something that is rather common knowledge, especially the graphic arts, you’re profoundly ignorant. Disney ring any bells, dumbass? Gawd Lord, it’s no wonder you make the decisions in life you make.

    If you’d stop being an asshole long enough to finish reading the thread you’d see I conceded your point. Graphic arts? Are you fucking kidding me? That’s your definition of computer engineering and IT? Quit while you’re ahead. You made the point. The point turned out to be valid. Don’t ruin it by being an idiot.

    That’s the problem with you Tex. You can’t stop at being right — you’ve got to go for total annihilation complete with insults. Maybe you should stay off the net until Tuesday’s GOP landslide puts you in a better mood?

  198. No, that’s the problem with you, Rutherford. You run your stupid mouth about subjects you know nothing about trying to be cutesy and clever, generally parroting somebody equally as ignorant with bigger profile, then magnify the problem with your flippant attitude and personal insults. And you can dish it but you can’t take it.

    When push comes to shove, you’re an asshole and punk. In real life, I guarantee it. And I need to quit dropping my guard in general conversation and remember that. You and Pucker are the kind of cowardly punks people can’t stand after a brief stint.

    Graphic arts is most definitely part of Computer Engineering, unless you’re going to try and tell me video gaming, mapping and animation don’t count – guess we can just ignore Disney, a large part of Google and Sony, hey?

    Believe it or not, not everything in IT is a relational database or C++ program.

    And maybe you ought to get off your high horse, educate yourself, and get out of the house on occasion. Better to appear stupid, then open your Leftist mouth and remove all doubt.

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