Please Blacks, Beware of What Rand Paul is Selling

In business there is a practice known as root cause analysis. The notion is you can’t solve a problem if you don’t get to the root of it. Eliminating symptoms and side effects (often millions of project dollars later) leaves you with the original problem rearing its ugly head again.

Recently GOP Senator Rand Paul and Dem Senator Cory Booker made headlines advocating criminal justice reform. The REDEEM act calls for expunging non-violent juvenile records and other measures to help young criminals get out from under the label of “criminal”. Paul has also spoken to black audiences about the unfairness of sentencing laws, stating that blacks get tougher sentences for crack cocaine than whites get for the powdered variety.

There is no doubt that sentencing should be fair and color blind but is this really the best Paul can offer black folk? He’s stealing from the tired old liberal playbook of addressing everything EXCEPT the root cause. The root cause is that blacks are committing crime in the first place.

It’s almost as though Paul were saying “now we know, because of the MAN, that you just can’t stop doing drugs and committing crime so let’s reduce the consequences of your behavior.” How about CHANGING the behavior? How about no new drug legislation until black communities make a serious effort to rebuild? How about we wait for black “culture” to stop embracing rap singers who celebrate criminal behavior?

Rand Paul, a doctor by the way, is addressing the black man’s toothache by performing a colonoscopy. He is attacking the wrong end of the problem. It should not be the goal of blacks to get away with as much crime as their white counterparts. The goal should be no crime and that is fueled by increased opportunity, staying in school and developing a self-sufficient spirit.

I just hope my fellow blacks don’t believe that Paul’s efforts are helping them. If you buy what Paul is selling, no matter how well-intentioned, you are still left with high crime and poverty. What we need now are leaders with the courage to do some root cause analysis.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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454 thoughts on “Please Blacks, Beware of What Rand Paul is Selling

  1. I agree with you Rutherford.

    If some of these youths, no matter the color wanted to have shorter prison sentences authorities could put smart ankle bracelets on them. If they did something not prescribed, unimaginable pain would course through them. A science fiction solution like that will never happen. Cruel and unusual punishment.

  2. I agree with expunging non-violent juvenile records, and under certain circumstances extending the practice into the 18th and 19th year of life as “youthful” offenses, though not legally juvenile.

    Kids don’t know that problems/troubles aren’t the end of the world at that age.

  3. From the last thread – “Muffy, would it put you any more at ease if you found out all the post-attack subterfuge was to protect a confidential CIA exercise?”

    No. Tigre answered well enough and I would add that the video is entirely unnecessary to this end.

  4. I know this idea may be foreign to you, R, but did it ever occur to you that IF there really is a disparity in the way that blacks and whites are treated by the justice system, that there might be a “root cause” for that too, that isn’t “inherent” or “institutional” racism?

    Seriously, before you start sounding off or nodding in agreement with cherry picked apples to oranges comparisons, you should probably spend a few days in your local criminal court that hears felony cases. Don’t run your mouth. Just observe. It might just be that there is something about their approach to the proceedings that affect the outcome.

  5. Muffy I agree that the expunging and even the correction of sentencing are good ideas but I think the priority is wrong.

    Addressing the problem post-crime is not where the emphasis should be.

  6. Sorry BiC I don’t get your outrage and you clearly don’t get WTF I’m talking about or you wouldn’t be outraged in the first place. Smoke a cigar and reread the piece. What I wrote IN CONTEXT is something I would expect you to agree with.

    If you need the Cliff Notes version let me know.

  7. Rutherford I get where you might have read the Politico article you linked to but have you actually read up on the bill?
    The name is an acronym that focuses on allowing nonviolent offenders and most importantly no convicted folks the ability to seal records that potentially harm employment education and overall economic opportunity.
    It’s focus on substance abusing folks should not necessarily be read as BLACK FOLK.
    WOW!
    Not for nothing but if you look around the country and at the federal level what you’ll see is a backtracking on tough on crime and a conversion of sorts to what some call smart on crime.

  8. Alfie my link was an editorial decision, perhaps a poor one. Articles on Rand’s sentencing reforms were not as current as the recent partnership with Booker so I chose to link to more current news but still focus my piece on his broader statements. I admit, not the best choice and perhaps adding confusion to the piece.

  9. But …

    It’s focus on substance abusing folks should not necessarily be read as BLACK FOLK.

    Do you really think Booker got involved to help young white junkies and do you think Rand is not trying to curry favor with blacks? After all he wants to widen the tent for the Republican Party.

  10. Debate this, Rutherford if food amuses you.

    Of Monsters and Men has a trumpet player who plays other instruments. She has been instrumental in their success, yet the last time I checked she was not officially part of the group. She was still a session player. I think that should change.

    One of their latest songs has a religious theme describing a Viking burial. Religion has crept into pop music as it has before. The band Imagine Dragons are practicing Mormons with a hit which alludes to New Testament teachings.

    Last night, we watched the Miss America contest because my wife likes it. The women paraded on the cat walk to One Republic’s “Counting Stars” a slightly religious song with hints of gospel, The band are practicing Christians who have written songs for Adel, Beyonce, and kelly Clarkson.

    Katy Perry is another conservative Christian. The Killers are Mormons too.

    What if black culture reflected itself with better themes as in the music I mentioned? Replacing thug bragging with more wholesome subjects might have an effect on black teenagers.

    Our daughter counsels miscreants, black and white though now most of her duties are now as a manager. Therapy should be an important part of incarcerated young people, though its success rate is limited. It does work sometimes.

    I’m bored. This is all I have right now.,

  11. After all he wants to widen the tent for the Republican Party.

    Does Black America have any idea how much damage they do to themselves when they hold these facetious, cloying funerals – right after forming the mob? What a pathetic display – like that Paul Wellstone orgy of a funeral procession; so phony and pretentious, it should be summarily mocked. There weren’t a dozen blacks at that funeral that gave a shit about some dead black kid; it was a chance to relevant and make a spectacle.

    Not that you probably would know much more than me about those issues but I was just curious, Rutherford.

    ————

    Black America makes accusation that the Republican Party ignores the plight of the black man. Then some Republican white politician makes the attempt to address the issues blacks have been bitching about for 50 years, and because he’s not from the ‘right party’, blacks make accusation the guy is hoodwinking you for political expediency. LOL

    If so, why would this be any different than any white Democrat? Bill Clinton, Black President; Al Gore, Black Vice President. 😛 Frankly, the Republican Party should quit with the pandering to Black America and call you out on your blatant racialism. That I would respect.

    Face it, Rutherford. The vast majority of Black America is insanely jealous and covetous of white America’s successes, Europe’s successes. Of course, some of it greater opportunity – not on your black backs but because our culture is superior. Compare Europe to Africa for the last 2,000 years and you get a clear picture of what works and what doesn’t.

    The smart black guy wants to get on the train and works to earn a ticket. Some do – Ben Carson being the current most obvious. But then the jealousy really seeps in, and Carson is branded an Uncle Tom and traitor and he’s treated worse than most white folk; insane jealousy and abject stupidity.

    Anyone wants to call me a racist for stating the obvious, you can kiss my lily-white ass. 😈 If you had more sense, Rutherford, you ought to be highly offended at the clearly phony White Lib and at the very least, break off to form a new Black Party, or something.

  12. I’ve got some root cause analysis for you right here: There are always going to be problems unless and until we restore the family unit. Trying to fix moral issues through legislation has never and will never work. More government involvement is never the answer.

    I should have described Katy Perry as a practicing Christian, I’m not sure she is especially conservative.

    Sorry, James. This statement tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to real Christianity. Katy Perry is to practicing Christians as ISIS is to practicing Muslims. Coincidentally, they have plenty in common.

  13. Only one criticism: you suggest that a root cause is committing crime itself. I would say that you could dig even deeper than that. An even deeper “root cause” would be, why do they commit the crimes in the first place? The tired old liberal answer is, “because they are poor,” but that doesn’t hold water: many other peoples are unbelievably poor, but their pride and their upbringing prevents their being thieves, looters, rapists, drug dealers.

    Many say the government should not be in the morality business, but one wonders if that’s really true – the government has a vested interest in having honest, productive citizens. Fortunately, if the US decides that is right, your government has a built-in wall to keep your religious zealots from creating a theocracy of moral police.

  14. OK Rutrherford post your clarification what you’re talking about is the Leahy/Paul bill.

    First let me just say that the Paul/Booker REDEEM bill is America’s libertarian moment,not anything coming out of Ferguson MO.
    Second Rand Pauls libertarian credentials are extremely transparent so I disagree with you feeling the need to warn blacks from your lighthouse. I just don’t see it.

    Lets take a hypothetical and if you want to see the person as black,white,latino or purple I don’t mind….
    17 year old living in a shitty hood,no male figures of any significance in his life,single parent home with 3 other siblings. A bevy of socio-economic factors swirling about and lo’ and behold he still finds himself holding an ounce and a half of weed while walking past the shitty high school he is routinely truant from. No weapons no history of physical violence in fact this arrest is the only real encounter the police have ever had with him.
    THIS KID IS SCREWED! Does he really deserve 10-25 in state pen?
    ratchet his offense down a couple of ticks. Less weed no school zone. Perhaps gets probation or a short term plus. Everywhere he goes to get a job and play it straight now that he is say 22 plus he has to disclose a record. He can’t vote. Where’s this guy feeling like a connected citizen,where is he breaking the cycle which seems to be something you’re hot on.

  15. @ Rutherford keep in mind that liberal nut case judges and public outrage created mandatory sentencing.
    Mandatory sentencing has now caused fiscal burdens on society that are starting to cause fractures and folks want to do something about it.
    Some of the “dressing” on that salad is just for show. The real ingredients that the sentencing does not benefit society secondary to human and monetary costs is what you want to chew on.

  16. the government has a vested interest in having honest, productive citizens.

    Thats an as tired cliche as there ever was. The truth is that any nations government only desires a pacified populace and that all governments first and foremost strive for that. Where pacifism can’t be readily accomplished they go for distracted.

    It is undeniable on an international scale that poverty weighs heavy in crime metrics.

  17. Poolman, Katy Perry believes in God, she prays, and in the past she was touted as a role model for Christian girls. At one time, she said she wanted to be the next Amy Grant.

    She has said she is a Christian, but late last year, she said she is questioning her Christianity. My definition of Christianity is pretty broad. As she said, she is not a Hindu, Muslim or atheist.

    No one spells out the definitions, so mine is as good as yours. Katy Perry may be a lapsing Christian the same as Obama may be a lapsed Muslim.

  18. For the record I would place listening to pools and James debate Christianity very low on the treasure scale. Perry to her religion (whatever that is) as comparable to ISIS or the current designation given to radical Islam now is just a crazy train making a stop where it isn’t scheduled, particularly times being what they are.

  19. The Wall Street Journal reports a study shows humans engage in group behavior as a flock of birds does. The inferior culture which causes much of our crime is not confined to black communities. Being part of a crowd reinforces attitudes and values leading to criminal behavior. Nothing really changes until behavior changes.

    I agree with most of the comments, but they don’t apply to the cause, only the results.

  20. Entertainers are part of the problem as the study I mentioned implies. A few people can influence the behavior of many. A culture will not change until it wants to change. Until people respected by the crowd speak of higher values and concepts at the expense of victimization and entitlement nothing will change.

    We can reduce sentences, use probation and counseling more frequently, and encourage economic development but these solutions are merely treating the symptoms, not the disease.

    I believe Katy Perry and her antics, 50 cent, Dr.Dray, and New Republic are higher on the list for concern than one might think. Each entertainer has followers who as the study shows, behave like birds.

  21. I am kinder to Mika Brzezinski than you guys but damn. She actually called domestic violence a “side effect” of football. SMH. Beyond dumb. And not a single panelist on the show stopped her to say “are you kidding me?”

  22. “Second Rand Pauls libertarian credentials are extremely transparent” -A

    Well put. According to Rutherford, that dirty Rand is taking advantage of the stupid people. Remember, politically, R isn’t black. He’s elitist lib. So, what we have here is a classic.

    For R, the threat from Rand Paul has nothing to do with prison time. The threat is individualism and self reliance. The other side of the Rand Paul coin is what scares the shit out of a lib.

  23. James as you know blacks have a rich tradition of spiritual music. There’s no excuse for them to resort to rap. Rap is a relatively recent blight on the urban scene. There was nothing unwholesome about Motown.

  24. No one spells out the definitions

    The interpretations may vary, but the defining character is Jesus Christ. If it doesn’t look like Jesus in that human suit, it isn’t authentic. Spend some time in the NT, it will spell out many of those undefines. People reflect either good or evil when lit. It is our free will that decides whose light we shine. I know, it’s radical crazy…

  25. Yeah. Let’s agree to give the video imbeds a rest. We can look them up if need be. The majority are not hard to locate and they slow down the loading of the pages immeasurably.

  26. Mika is a fucking idiot.

    And all of the NFL discussion consuming the liberal media is designed to distract from the bigger problems.

    Seriously R. How much of your daily MSNBC was dedicated to talking about the NFL brutes and treating the commissioner/league as failing the public in some undefined investigatory duties that requires public debate? Compare that with the discussion it’s having on the conduct of the IRS investigation — something of real significance.

    Of course they’re loving the change of topic from the IRS, beheadings, whether we’re going to “war” or Hillary’s cringe worthy appearances in IA.

  27. T@#39 – notice the circumstances with which libtards have no trouble whatsoever using the term “war” though. #standingwithwendymyass

    Mika is par. She’s parroting what some ex-football and ex-boxing wives are saying about the violence of the sport being a hard switch to kill.

    Marrying the knockout king wasn’t exactly the “root cause” either but it’s what they want.

    [Go look up one of the many music videos on yooToob that speak to the love of money for they are plentiful and illustrative. I recommend the O’Jays and Pink Floyd]

  28. And to your larger point about the distraction factor – hell yes.

    [Recommend Beck video “Hell Yes” or one of the many music videos that…..]

  29. “Notice the circumstances with which libtards have no trouble whatsoever using the term “war” though.”

    Ah yes. Like Scott Walker, winning the war on giving “women the back of our hands” is paramount.

    Funny how Bill, or Ted, or Carlos Danger never come up. I guess it’s just limited strikes.

  30. “THIS KID IS SCREWED! Does he really deserve 10-25 in state pen?
    ratchet his offense down a couple of ticks. Less weed no school zone. Perhaps gets probation or a short term plus. Everywhere he goes to get a job and play it straight now that he is say 22 plus he has to disclose a record. He can’t vote. Where’s this guy feeling like a connected citizen,where is he breaking the cycle which seems to be something you’re hot on.”

    This is so righteous. I’m even feeling slightly awkward for gushing so much but the last sentence blows me away.

    Beyond mercy in sentencing Alfie speaks to redemption as the record itself is a compound punishment that will haunt and possibly doom our purple youth and make conditions infinitely more difficult to overcome. Which is all everyone wants for him I would hope.

  31. Poolman you’re an inconsiderate show-off with your video diarrhea. You do realize your compulsion affects us all in a number of ways not the least of which is load time.

    For all your pseudo curiosity you’re remarkably unaware.

  32. For all your pseudo curiosity you’re remarkably unaware.

    ** GUFFAW **

    I don’t call the Tool™ Brick, Bat, and Pet Rock ad infinitum for nuttin’.

    Remarkably unaware. LOL LOL LOL That struck me as so damn funny, I spilt my tea down my T-shirt.

  33. I agree about the spiritual music Rutherford, and I love Mo Town. “Love Child ” by Dianna Ross and the Supremes is just one of the songs with a great message. Many of these songs were popular during the civil rights and anti- war movements as the situation deteriorated. I don’t know if they preserved traditional values or not At least they reflected what many people felt. I do agree with you that conventional rap music does not have many redeeming qualities..

    The rap and real cultures probably feed on themselves and create a kind of synergy. We need something to change the culture. It is also not strictly a black problem.

    Redemption is a pile of manure. There is no redemption for most, even if given the chance. The best we can hope for is their staying out of big trouble through close supervision and encouragement.

    I agree, sentences are often too long and harsh. They become criminal college. But redemption? The parole board decided a young man had paid his debt and was ready to re- integrate into society.

    A petty criminal was released on parole and a few weeks later he with the help of his family became a mass murderer in Omaha. Other less extreme cases are legion. A young man who was given the chance to re- integrate into society by attending a community college, burned down one of the offices of the counseling company which employs our daughter. Another murdered two of my wife’s clients and still another nearly killed my wife and another therapist. An hour of fast talking saved them.

    They were all black, but whites are just as broken. Several years ago, another young man with connections to my wife’s company killed about twelve people in a mall.

    Poolman, I have read some of the New Testament and I don’t need a minister or priest to interpret it for me. It is not my place to judge who is or isn’t a Christian. If someone prays and recognizes Jesus as his/her savior, and doesn’t kill people for fun and profit or doesn’t steal, I accept that rightly call themselves Christians. I am not the judge, because I don’t want to be judged.

  34. Most prefer the ‘catch all’ theory, as you refer. I don’t think that can be pulled from the compiled scripture. What I do read from there is warning to avoid the ‘wide’ path and all the short cuts. I agree, we don’t need a minister or priest. That’s who Jesus is for us.

    Discernment is judgment. As you say, some of these self-proclaimed Christians influence a great deal of people and children are the most vulnerable. The children of this country are propagandized 24/7/365. Our pre-k generation has porn at their fingertips. Most of it is so subtle we won’t see it unless we hone discerning skills.

    These gifts are given to the curious and persistent.

  35. Just like Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers, Cli* and Slack, the Tap It Nutters, can be both entertaining and helpful.

    I often feel like I’m not making a difference here, in spite of all my effort. But, every now and again, a small glimmer of hope shines me on shines on me and it’s just enough to keep me optimistic. 😀

    You’re right. I was remarkably unaware I had such impact.

    * rhymes with twit

  36. I often feel like I’m not making a difference here, in spite of all my effort.

    ❓ 😦 😐 🙂 😛 😎 HA HA HA HA! HA!!

    Poolman, your not likeable, admirable or respectable.

    But you are despicable, reprehensible, forgettable, and disposable.

    I doubt anybody is going to shed many tears if you shuffle your feckless ass back to Chatty Kitchen, Wattle Jeans and Kettlehead Jim’s. 😈

  37. Lots of comments to get through but some misconceptions that need to be cleared up.

    This post was not a criticism of Paul but a criticism of what blacks will settle for. Contrary to what folks may be inferring, I don’t doubt Paul’s sincerity and indeed the consistency of his position with libertarian thought.

    My problem is that I am increasingly seeing blacks as some low-expectation motherfuckers. The political capital they are eager to eat up does not nourish them. If every Paul idea vis-a-vis drug laws were enacted it would do little to help the plight of blacks. Prison terms would decrease and records would be expunged but recidivism would still be high because of a rough environment and poisonous culture.

    I don’t know much about Jack Kemp’s enterprise zones but what little I do know tells me THAT should be the focus.

    Less forgiving criminals and more eradicating crime. Reducing the consequences of criminal behavior does not move the needle.

  38. Muffy I could say the sky is blue and you’d say politics as usual. The only slack I will give you is that several folks misread this post which tells me I miswrote it. When one antagonist (you) has a problem with it, I could give a shit, but Tex Alfie and BiC didn’t get where I was coming from either so clearly I failed in the communication department.

  39. Regarding vid embeds it works better to hyperlink the YouTube vid to words much as you might with a txt article. It would be even better for me since I can’t watch embeds in this stupid iPhone app. (But I can click on hyperlinks)

  40. I understand what you wrote, Rutherford. I don’t remember much about Jack Kemp’s enterprise zones, but I remember thinking they were a good idea.

    Come on, Tex, exiling Poolman to that charnel house is inhumane.

  41. “Just like Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers, Cli* and Slack, the Tap It Nutters”

    Which nutters are those? There are so many to choose from.

    Is one the female-impersonator-cum-intellectual powerhouse who doesn’t know one lady-part from another? Got that one, I think; who’s Slack? – Half-doctor, the permanent slacker?

    Enquiring minds want to know …

  42. Which nutters are those? There are so many to choose from.

    You’re too easy a target, Wild Bill. You should leave well enough alone when you pick a fight. Like Tool™.

    Well, Cli* would be white trash swinging wife, the former halfling romance internet novelist with the two axe handle ass that won’t fit on standard bicycle seat you dug up after your first wife left you, Tappet would be the BBW Bi swinger club, Slack would be your dysfunctional doper kids, and Tap it Nutters would be you, the closet queer and toddyholic. I’ll bet some serious money they fired your sorry ass for gross negligence at the rural hospital, Doctor Obama.

    Aren’t you going to call the FBI on me for hurting your feelings, Cialis?

    And don’t give your queer talk about good you are. You couldn’t handle me in an argument without going off the deep end. I’ll throw that up in your fat face until they day you finally do the world a huge favor and CVA during one of your rages.

  43. I think there are legitimate issues that still remain with the judicial system and black people.

    Terry stop pat downs happen to black people too much. Picture the harm these stops do when the black dude isn’t doing shit wrong.

    I’ve experienced stuff like that before because I looked shady (rusty van littered with 100’s of home addresses on yellow sticky paper while cruising bad neighborhoods in the early dawn- I was a roofer, God knows what the cops thought I was). It can be humiliating: Spread eagle on the side of the van.

    At the end of the day, its all about black dads marrying their baby’s momma. This IS the fix.

    We must be honest about what caused this relatively new phenomenon. And as long as liberals hold sway over this nation it will NEVER happen.

    Liberalism was well meaning at first. It isn’t anymore.

    Now days, you will be hard pressed to find a liberal who actually defends the traditional family structure, not alone critically asses the devastation in the black community.

    I know one thing, in my current job, some of the brightest, most respectful and all around cool kids are black kids who live with their Dad.

    Maybe this is a dumb blanket statement, but I swear that black dudes make great fathers when they chose to be all in on the matter. The are often street smart and not pussies. Plus they are either hardworking or educated. It makes for a great combo. You know….kind of like me as a Dad. 🙂

    The only hope is the black church. I’ve heard there is a new guard forming of younger ministers who know the real deal.

    Sometimes I wish I was black. Not so that fat white girls would want to fuck me, although that would be cool (insert perverted laugh).

    So that I could help fix things.

  44. “Is one the female-impersonator-cum-intellectual powerhouse who doesn’t know one lady-part from another?”

    Rutherford?

    LOL. You know, Tigre. Parker was in here earlier this morning with the tedious bigot bout he goes through, while he’s accusing me of manic depression. You can always tell when life has dealt Pfesser another low blow. {snicker}.

    Now I ask you, an educated man. Who in this room has the symptoms of manic depression? Psychosis, grandiose delusions, and paranoid rage? 😛

    Projecting Pfesser Parker?

  45. Black churches used to be, Rabbit. Not anymore. These black churches are generally bastions of grievance hustling and theft – mosques really.

    Where they once produced people like MLK, now they are far more likely to be like the hypocrite Rev. Jeremiah, Je$$e, and Ugly Al.

    In fact, I’ll go so far to say a large part if not most of the black problem in America is spiritual. Race hustling and Rev. go hand-in-hand anymore.

  46. It’s going to take more than that (functioning family), DR. But it is essential and would go a long way.

    You can’t plead for respect and receive it.

  47. Tex, I’ve heard there are younger ministers rebelling against that old guard. I have no idea if that’s true.

    The old guard running these churches are a disgrace. Urban brown shirts of the left.

  48. Tigre,

    I honestly believe that is all it would take. Unfortunately, we are still heading in the opposite direction. Seems impossible.

  49. 72% of black babies born to unwed mothers is a giant fucking problem. A patriarch has to hand down some values too though. There’s plenty that hand down low expectations and antisocial traits.

  50. Manic depression is now bi polar disorder. Katy Perry wrote a song about it. Katy Perry illustrates why I think this generation is lost, no matter what we do. They have imprinted the attitudes and values they live. Katy internalized conservative Christianity. She was so devout.

    She is rebelling against her parents’ teaching, but she cannot totally forsake her religion because it is part of her. The same applies to children of broken homes and a lawless culture of victimization. Intensive supervision and therapy can partailly remove previous imprinting, but with some exceptions, the old attitudes remain under the surface.

    This makes it especially important to stop talking and change the culture so we can help its victims, We could adopt out the vulnerable children as we did to the Plains Indians, but it would never work. Parents have rights as they should. Nothing will change.

  51. Muddy I don’t know why you scolded Pools after he did exactly what I requested — bury the YouTube link in a txt hyperlink. That way it will not load and should not slow down the page one bit.

  52. What did I misread Rutherford?

    As I said the fault is mine. Most of you thought this was an attack job on Rand Paul and as I look at my title it’s pretty clear why. On the contrary I was attacking a community that has such modest, to be polite, goals for itself.

  53. I doubt anybody is going to shed many tears if you shuffle your feckless ass back to Chatty Kitchen, Wattle Jeans and Kettlehead Jim’s. 😈

    Just remember who it was that did the first trolling, o feck led one.

    There I was, sharing pie on the porch, casting my bread on the water, unawares of the jerks circling the Rutherford B log :O ops here. Then who was it that happened in to throw dog turds in the punch?? Colorful was there. Ask James, he has a steel memory. The rest is RLBlog history. 😛

  54. So that I could help fix things.

    You can be such a prick that sometimes I really dislike giving you your due … but I think you help fix things far more than you give yourself credit for. A truly good caring teacher is priceless.

  55. Rutherford is getting kinda stalky.

    You missed the two moronic videos assmunch posted before I bitched about it – all which occurred before you piped up.

    Now what I dont understand is you scolding me for bitching about what someone else posts when that practice describes every other comment Pfatass Pfesser puts up around here.

    I also dont understand your obsession. Do you want to talk about it?

  56. You missed the two moronic videos assmunch posted before I bitched about it – all which occurred before you piped up.

    Indeed I did. My bad.

    I’m neither “stalky” nor obsessive, at least not obsessive about you. I’d hardly be a good host if I ignored you. Besides when you’re in a roll you’re almost as entertaining as Tex.

  57. Just remember who it was that did the first trolling, o feck led one.

    Is that what you think I was doing, Tool™, at Fat Grannies? Trolling? {chuckle} I considered it more like “flaming.” You and I have a different definition of trolling. I prefer to look at my short time at Grannies as using my magnifying glass on the red ant pile to set it on fire. Trolling suggests trivial issues. Leftist propaganda is not trivial when it screws up the country and gives us Barack Obama.

    I don’t think you troll here. That’s a misused, overused word like racist.

    I just think that Wattle, Stoned, and Granny are more your “talent” level. 😈

  58. You’re right, Poolman. So much fun. And so easy. What’s next?

    By the way, R. I did get that book on “Stop Helping Us.” It’s a #1 bestseller on Amazon. Work’s a bit heavy right now in tax season, but I’ll start reading it when I roll back early tomorrow morning. Gotta support the Clits and Slacks here, too.

    Clit and Slack. That’s just too much, Pools. You’d better explain to Clit exactly what the clit is, though…

    Heh-heh… too easy. just too easy.

  59. Poolman hasn’t threatened to call the FBI yet, Pffpussy, when he gets slapped. Of course, I never heard Poolman brag about how he never gets beat either right before threatening with his friends in “high places.” Buwahahahahaahahahah

    You do realize that makes him more of a man than you? 🙂

  60. I just think that Wattle, Stoned, and Granny are more your “talent” level.

    I think I know wattle and granny but who is Stoned?

    BTW have you noticed how little the “author” of that blog actually interacts with her guests? And you guys think I’m bad.

  61. Poolman, and Tex. I am trying to forget that other place with some success, so my history is not as complete as it should have been. Gerhard was a Canadian who exchanged e mails with me. He thought the site needed someone like me present alternate views.. He wanted us to all unite for some sort of charitable cause, but of course for them, lip service was stronger,.

    I met a disk jockey from Mass. who might be a relative. People were nice at first.

    As soon as I won arguments, i was a dark force. I defeated Jean who argued we should not have used the A bomb against Japan, and Ragi supported me.

    I don’t believe Poolman ever attacked me.

    Pfessor and a couple of others showed up, and we became allies. Then, Tex in all of his incarnations appeared. Poolman, I don’t remember his putting anything in the punch bowl. He kicked it off the porch.

    No one was like Tex. At his best, he was an unstoppable force. He was such a flamer, he nearly burned down the porch. I admired his abilities.

    Like Pooman, I hadn’t heard of Rutherford. NOP who later was here as Newt or No Newt, referred to it as a blog she sometimes visited, but that it was a rough site.

  62. I was considering leaving this blog which I do from time to time. It is the only one I have visited frequently since leaving the others. I found another which I rarely visit, but it might interest you. Political Forum.com is a big site with places for inserting music and other videos.

    One can get a response within minutes, and though it is moderated, the language can get harsh. For example, I visited for the first time in over a month and found a thread about the Palin brawl. Someone wrote that they were white trash. I explained the difference, and it became part of the argument. I checked a few minutes ago to see that moderators had closed the thread because it had become as large a virtual fight as the Palins’.

  63. Tex the one thing Maher is consistent about is his disdain for all religions and he does not engage in false equivalency. He’s the first to point out Muslims have gone off the deep end.

  64. Tex may have appeared before Pfessor did, but I think if he did, it was with another name. I’m waiting for after the next election to offer a final word there, if it goes as expected. I have also picked two or three songs. They won’t care. I will feel good.

    So, what are our conclusions about the broken culture problem?

  65. So, what are our conclusions about the broken culture problem?

    Well I think one thing we have agreed on is the solution must be executed from within the dysfunctional communities. It’s a bit like Iraq. If Iraq does not have the will to save herself we can’t do it for her. The same can be said of Compton.

  66. BTW have you noticed how little the “author” of that blog actually interacts with her guests? And you guys think I’m bad.

    Muffy knows those shills better than I do, but the author of that blog must have had delusions of grandeur.

    Hard to believe that closet abortionist actually thought she was going to make a profit from that orgy. 😆 I don’t think her plan was to ever lower herself to the serfs and correspond back and forth.

    Now if you ever go trying to sell calendars or cookbooks for profit here from your writing, I’ll know you’ve gone bad. 😈

    I just figured this site was kind of your hobby, you enjoy the writing, sometimes the debate, and occasionally it gave you a dash of much needed laughter – therefore, you’ve stayed with it. We all have this form of twisted friendship of sorts, when we’re not threatening to cut the other’s head off.

    I would consider the difference between this site vs. Wattle or Grannies, the equivalent of trying to compare Hindu to the Taliban.

    And I haven’t thanked you for providing the forum for a while – so to not be remiss, thank you.

    P.S. Stoned was in reference to that insufferable coward Jim WhatsHisName, (Stone Kettle or something like that) who claims to be a war hero that hates America. He’s the blog equivalent of Ward Churchill – a perfect place for Tool™. LOL

  67. Rutherford, if you refer to the fat ones in 96, their nephew Richard wrote when the group was calling me a troll that under the accepted definition, they, not I were the trolls. Pfessor and Craig quoted that post several times over the months.

    Yes, Iraq and our broken culture could be compared to stage three cancer.

  68. ”So much fun. And so easy. What’s next?”

    Well Grampa Munster it’s good to see you’re finally having some fun around here. Ordinarily you’re kind of scary and grumpy like there’s a poppy seed stuck under your dentures or you need some more fiber in your diet. Also good to start with the easy stuff too – ease into the funny with pooty jokes – you’re not so dumb after all are you?

    What’s next? Hard to say with you you’re so unpredictable and interesting – but you could always repeat your performance as “Heather” and the Pfesser with the amazing matching IP addresses over at Fat Grannies.

    You hate that I’m onto you, don’t you Mr. Hyde?

  69. The Corner tells us that up to 60 million new legal immigrants will move here in the next ten years according to a Congressional report. The census bureau says the average income of non citizens has risen 15 times faster than citizen’s incomes.

    This applies to the latest thread. Black people have doomed themselves to more of the same.

  70. If some of you would have taken my investing advice several years ago, you could be sitting pretty by now. I couldn’t do it in good conscience, but many of you don’t have that handicap. You’ve been told the economy was making it tough for business to squeeze out any real profit,

    “But the world’s biggest arms producers are doing well, with shares of the top 12 publicly listed firms – based on a list by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute – rising by almost 30 per cent on average in the last year.

    Stock price data on the 12 companies reveal most have benefitted in a year in which the number of conflict zones in Europe, the Middle East and Africa has risen.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/growing-global-conflict-a-bonanza-for-arms-makers-20140915-10h19u.html#ixzz3DXzKsTsm

  71. R, you watching you MSNBC? Loving hour after hour dedicated to the NFL Rice story. Masturbating to a new victim topic. Oh, Mika’s outrage at that male dominated NFL. It is to blame for this. We must “have a discussion.”

    Lol.

    Oh yeah. We’re at war with ISIL and Ebola is devouring Africa.

    I wonder how the left’s efforts to address the racially motivated execution of a young, unarmed, aspiring black child in Ferguson is doing.

    The minds of liberals. A sight to behold.

  72. If some of you would have taken my investing advice several years ago, you could be sitting pretty by now. I couldn’t do it in good conscience, but many of you don’t have that handicap.

    LOL! I could have invested in mutual fund and done as well. There’s no magic in your investment strategy, dupe.

    Why would your conscience bother you about buying any corporate stock? You never had a problem stealing out of the church pantry.

    Spare us the pretentiousness…you’re still the same twit seeing subliminal government overreach in bad animation.

  73. Rutherford,

    Like Tigre, out of boredom from the comfort of my bed last night before falling asleep, I too watched that MSNBC orgy of ignorance – more specifically, Chaz Maddow.

    Chaz spent approximately 10 minutes trying to convince her dozens of viewers that there is no “scandal” in Imam Baracka Obama overruling all of his general’s suggestions in waging war a very significant counter-terrorism operation.

    Has anybody called that a scandal? 😈 We called it abject stupidity, bad strategy, a pipe dream, sheer ignorance, profound arrogance, and a defeatist strategy. I don’t know a soul who called it “a scandal.”

    The desperation in his-her voice, replete with apologies to hisher mom for yelling, to save face for the Regressive Party and Mullah Al Baracka was quite humorous. On second thought, it was a pathetic display of a failed ideology.

    You may have won the election battle, but you’ve lost the war and are in the process of losing the country. Perhaps some of you might lose your head on account of it.

  74. Tigre I don’t know why you keep tossing ISIL into the mix of stories MSNBC is overdoing. ISIL is a very serious story and YES it is more important than your fucking IRS scandal.

  75. The Vietnam war began with a handful of advisers sent by Harry Truman and later Ike. We know what happened later. Democrats did it and they will do it again. Planners are already equivocating. They have no choice if they don’t secretly hope ISIS and its allies win.

    We don’t have cable, so I am spared the pleasure of watching. I also chose not to watch Ken Burns’ latest documentary. He is a self described yellow dog Democrat and progressive. This is an ideal subject for him to express his political bias.

    The IRS scandal is as important as ISIS in a different way. ISIS is an external threat. The IRS political manipulation is a domestic threat.Our government conspired to harass other citizens to deprive them of their freedom of speech. They wanted to restrict the financial contributions of conservatives and may have succeeded.

    New information shows Democrats, while still underdogs, have a slightly better chance than they did of keeping the Senate. One reason is greater liberal spending by George Soros and many other liberals.Democrats are demonizing the Kock brothers not out of concern for extravagent political spending but to silence them and their allies. Their goal is to restrict freedom of speech. We are watching it in Iowa now.

    Democrats want to destroy their political adversaries. and build a security wall around themselves.. Most parties want to beat their opponents. Democrats want to destroy theirs.

    “If I’m somewhere else, it doesn’t mean that I don’t see. That you don’t trust yourself. That’s why you don’t trust me…If you keep building these walls,, brick by brick tower so tall, soon I won’t see you at all, till the concrete angel falls” And it will.

    The toxic mix Obama helped revive is building racial, political and religious walls in this country. . ” Its just in your mind. I’m not getting through, cause I don’t see it like you do. There’s nothing to fight. you’ve got no excuse. I’m over….you, because I don’t see things like you do… Soon there’l be nothing at all.”

  76. “Tigre I don’t know why you keep tossing ISIL into the mix of stories MSNBC is overdoing. ISIL is a very serious story and YES it is more important than your fucking IRS scandal.”

    Hahahahahah.

    Read what I wrote again, Zipperhead. I was being sarcastic.

    We finally agree on something!

    Now how do you feel about Mika ringing her own doorbell for hours this morning?

    p.s. “My IRS scandal” is giant fucking deal — you’re just too stupid to understand why.

  77. Poolman –

    Nice article on defense stocks. Actually, Lockheed-Martin is my top holding. Don’t be so down on them. Remember, every Hellfire missile has some Islamic nut-case’s name on it. It’s a variation on the old theme: So many Christians; so few lions.

  78. Yeah, Tool™.

    “Parker” thinks he’s doing you a big favor investing in lions. Lose your head to a lopper; or lose your head to a big cat. Reads like a win, win!

    Frankly, I might buy into your argument if it meant “Pfarker” living under purified Islam. 😈

  79. p.s. “My IRS scandal” is giant fucking deal — you’re just too stupid to understand why.

    You’re gonna really hate this answer but let’s fulfill your wildest fantasy and say the IRS scandal goes all the way to the top. Let’s say Obama ORDERED greater scrutiny of conservative groups. Not cool. But tell me how many Presidents in our history have used the IRS, FBI, CIA and other means to achieve their political ends? Probably just about every recent POTUS.

    I’ve already come to the conclusion that Obama is far more political than idealistic. His involvement would disappoint me but it wouldn’t shatter my world.

    There, I’ve provided you more fodder to throw at me in the years to come. Have at it.

  80. “But tell me how many Presidents in our history have used the IRS, FBI, CIA and other means to achieve their political ends? Probably just about every recent POTUS.”

    So?

  81. Rutherford, Presidents Coolidge, FDR, Nixon, JFK, Clinton;and W Bush have been tied to misuse of the IRS.

    Several cases are subject to interpretation as when Bush called for an investigation of a church for violating its tax exempt status by being political. Other presidents didn’t actually give orders. it was in the order of will “no one rid me of this priest?”

    That may be the case now, but this scandal is one of the most egregious violations of our freedoms in the history of the IRS. Obama is knowingly or unknowingly playing dangerous political games. Besides harming his political opponents as his policy did on a larger scale than most of the other presidents who mainly went after individuals.the policy violates the trust we have in our government.

    Ukraine is so corrupt no one really knows how much the average person earns. They operate a thriving underground economy. We could be Ukraine if a majority loses trust in our government.. We already have an underground economy.

    Your reasoning is immoral. Should Obama get a tsk tsk simply because others have done it? What’s wrong is wrong. The others are beyond sanction. Obama and his people are still working for us.

    Consider this. I often visited a well-moderated message board with private message facilities. I befriended a thirty five year old woman and at one point, we sent her a care package when she had hard times.

    The witch betrayed me and tried to get me banned through the moderators’ rules because she got tired of my non- liberal views.. I was smarter and meaner than she and I got her permanently banished. She started another site which I visited to heap more scorn upon her. I did the same on another blog which people, on the other two sites knew about and read.

    Six months later, she dived into the Pacific Ocean. Her mother and some friends blamed me for driving her to suicide. The charge is false, of course, but what if I really caused her to kill herself?

    What if you had the knowledge and blog strength to do the same to Muffy or Tex? Your reasoning tells us that though it wouldn’t be cool, you would do it. Welcome to the dark side.

    “I knew who you are from the start.But now I don’t know who you are.” Croncrete Angel

  82. Twitchy cites Jonah Goldberg’s report that Democrats are trying to combine another attempt to silence Rush Limbaugh with fund raising. Violating the right of free speech through the IRS is only one of several methods to attempt to silence opponents.

    Michele Malkin also discusses the growing number of homegrown jihadists in states like Colorado.One woman, Janet Paulin-Rodriguez was sentenced to eight years in prison for terrorism. She conspired with others to murder Sweedish cartoonist Lars Vilks.

    The islamists are already here and living in a town near you, maybe down the street. Their numbers are growing through the internet. And Obama thinks we can conquer this scourge with some bombs while the pear rots from the inside?

  83. Watched a little bit of Kerry getting pummeled.

    Administration has no answers.

    It can’t answer how its going to team up with moderate groups in Syria.

    It can’t answer how they are going to stay neutral with regards to Assad when the very groups we have teamed up with are in a fight for their lives against Assad.

    Can’t answer how on the one hand they are telling allies we are in it to win it and on the other saying we will not under any circumstances use ground troops.

    This is sad.

    I could go on.

    I’ve never seen a foreign policy so jacked up.

  84. They’re deliberative DR. 🙄

    Tigre’s theory: say “everything” so on the back end you can pick the narrative you want to avoid responsibility or take credit.

  85. But tell me how many Presidents in our history have used the IRS, FBI, CIA and other means to achieve their political ends? Probably just about every recent POTUS.

    Did you get that, gang? Rutherford’s party is flawed in one of two ways. Either Rutherford just admitted that Watergate was a big nothing burger and Nixon was sandbagged, or Rutherford just demanded a double standard be established (which already exists in practice), depending upon ideology and narrative.

    And Watergate was nothing but a 3rd rate burglary. Sandy Berger did that.

    Using the IRS to intimidate your political adversaries? As egregious as governmental intimidation gets and exactly what our Founding Fathers feared when they penned the Constitution.

    This is how fundamentally flawed the ‘Liberal’ Party really. It should be summarily destroyed, if the opportunity is to arise.

    All I can say Rutherford, is if the Republicans should win Congress, then the Presidency, I don’t want to hear one damn word from you about corruption, fear and intimidation. Not one.

  86. Yeah….I saw that. Rutherford’s political blogging is like a Greek Tragedy.

    He started off so idealistic and naive it was cloying.

    6 years into this presidency, his morphed demagoguery is now completely devoid of morality. Gross abuse of power and an assault on the most basic and important of Constitutional Rights is a “who cares, Nixon did it too nothing-burger.”

    Watergate is a nothing-burger now. Our rights are nothing-burgers. Free thought is a nothing burger.

    Impossible to respect Rutherford.

    His social studies teachers of the past should be beheaded ISIS style.

    Seriously, when a man says that he doesn’t give a flying fuck if his Dear Leader used the power of government to hurt people with a different political bent, there is nothing more to talk about.

  87. By the way…its not the first time Rutherford has showed his cards in this matter.

    I’ve said it before…..deep down….he is a fascist.

  88. “I’ve never seen a foreign policy so jacked up.”

    This whole Radical Islam matter is surreal. What a mess. And if it ain’t it’ll do til the mess gets here.

    Wonder of I should be envious of Rutherford’s ability to perceive so many botched jobs as unbungled.

    The audience responses at Obama’s speech today seemed scripted – rehearsed.

  89. As bad as it was I’m not sure watching Kerry’s performance today moved anyone to missing Hillary. So code pink should care about ISIS because they’re women? Maybe it’s pecking but genocide and even raping and enslaving women a people thing?

  90. …but isn’t genocide and even raping and enslaving women a people thing…

    ~

    Ummmmm…I’ve read #113 two or three times now and I still don’t know what to do with it. (@_@)

  91. James – re: your musings about Clit and Slack’s possibly offing themselves.

    Never happen. One must simultaneously have the insight of how thoroughly screwed-up one is and the integrity to do something about it.

    Nice try, but zealots and nuts only off others – ne’er themselves, but then, that’s why god created Lockheed-Martin.

    Once again–good call, Pools.

  92. 113 simply put is that I told Rutherford the IRS scandal is a big deal. Besides illegally subverting the rights and protections and fair treatment of a group of people, such actions make the people mistrust the government and in time, they will conduct as much business as they can under the table, Ukraine is a good example of such a country.

    Rutherford implied the IRS scandal was no big thing because other presidents had done it too. I took a leap into something darker and barely related. If I was able to drive someone from a blog, he could too by his reasoning, because I and others had done it. I used the comparison because any of us would be more likely to be able to drive someone from a blog than to alter tax policy.

  93. I’ve never seen a foreign policy so jacked up.

    Surely you can agree this is a very complex situation. The admin would almost be better off to just STFU and get on with it because anything they SAY right now is likely to sound confused.

  94. Seriously, when a man says that he doesn’t give a flying fuck if his Dear Leader used the power of government to hurt people with a different political bent, there is nothing more to talk about.

    LOL I knew you guys would have a field day with my response to Tigre. The moral indignation is almost funny considering the total lack of empathy most of you have for life’s underdogs.

    Let’s put this differently. The IRS scandal actually has some pretty unsympathetic victims. Folks pretending to be what they’re not so they can get tax exempt status. Yeah I stay up at night mourning the abuse they got.

    When Obama sics his IRS on Tigre I’ll start to worry. And yes I’ll repeat what I said earlier:

    ISIL- major shit sandwich
    IRS scandal- comparatively speaking – nothingburger.

  95. I’ve said it before…..deep down….he is a fascist.

    Oh you don’t know the start of it. I’m a:
    Fascist
    Communist
    Socialist
    Black liberationist
    and don’t forget …
    Closet radical Islamist 😯

  96. Pfesser, the man about town, except raising children, getting along with the in-laws and marriage. Nothing important. Tell me that sad story of the Christmas trees again. It gets more tragic each time.

    Speaking of slacking, you know what I did today? I made shutters. Why did I make shutters? Because I wanted to make shutters and surprise my wife when she gets back in town. Now if that’s your idea of misery and slacking, well I won’t argue with you. Tomorrow I’ll paint the shutters. Sheer torture.

    You and Graychin need to get together. That useless idiot and loner thought I was a candidate to murder someone and a sociopath. Apparently, you think I’ve given serious thought to going toward both ends.

  97. James, your story of potentially causing a suicide reminded me of Tex’s potent rhetoric. In the early days of this blog, before you, Tigre or Muffy came, we had a “regular” who got so upset with Tex that he totally lost it. I forget his name but I bet Tex remembers it. His blowing his top showed me the power of the written word, even from an anonymous party.

    Tex, what was that guys name?

  98. Tex your only risk with the shutters is your wife’s response when she sees them. Hopefully you know what you’re doing.

    On a side note, while I have busted Tex’s chops in fits of anger, I am actually quite jealous. To do WTF you want with few financial worries is a beautiful thing. It is the retirement I will never live to see AND Tex is enjoying this retirement at a young age.

  99. The moral indignation is almost funny considering the total lack of empathy most of you have for life’s underdogs.

    I’m wondering how you know that? Look what Rabbit did? Have you done something equivalent in gift to that? I considered that above and beyond.

    And I’ve volunteered to build houses for Habitat, attempted to teach people to read, was a Big Brother to a black kid for a time. My wife “volunteers” my “skills” in the neighborhood to the point of me demanding my sweetie knock it off. Hell, last weekend she had me trimming bushes and mowing the lawn when I would rather have been watching football for an old woman down the block. What pissed me off most is I hadn’t seen my wife in 10 days! I’m married to a saint.

    I’m not trying to claim I’m a nun or something, mind you. I’m sure there are others here who have done the same. I’m just saying you don’t know people here nearly as well as you might think you do.

    Here’s what I’ve found, Rutherford. There are some people who have been dealt a lousy hand of cards. Some have physical and mental disabilities. For them, I feel empathy/sympathy, of course.

    But what I discovered while volunteering is that in most cases, the ‘underdogs’ are in trouble through their own doing. Why should I be concerned about people who are either too lazy, drug addicts, alcoholics, Obama voters (ha ha), or too proud to help themselves?

  100. Tex, what was that guys name?

    I don’t know. There’s been a a few of them here. Graychin? Ugly Kay? LOL

    You do know that harpie Laurie at Grannies who tried to out you, threatened me with FBI before Dr. Kervorkian did here, don’t you? Like the witch doctor, I laughed at her too and mocked her some more. She parted in a huff to converse with Poolman in privacy. ROFL

    The guy’s name? The repugnant dolt, or something like that. {snicker} What a POS he was. I’d like to find that bald headed mouth and rub Obama in his face now. He closed shop over that I noticed.

  101. Completely off topic: in this now month-old job I am yet again “meeting” people who make me think voting rights should be tightened.

    The big shocker are how many folks are computer illiterate. And understand 99% of my clientele are attending college right now. Some can’t navigate web browsers. I have to preface the request to copy/paste with “if you know how to … then”.

    This would be forgivable back in 1979 when I was a freshman but today all students are expected to be comfortable with computers. Hell, my 10 year old is expected to use them.

    We truly are witnessing the fall of the Roman Empire.

  102. Tex your only risk with the shutters is your wife’s response when she sees them. Hopefully you know what you’re doing.

    Oh, you have no idea how right you are. LOL. I was too chicken to send Momma Angel a picture for fear she would give me a big thumbs down and start demanding to know how much of her money I just wasted again.

    You know the best part? I can’t tell you how many tools I’ve “snuck in” while purchasing wood. Got me two massive clamps today. 🙂

  103. The guy’s name? The repugnant dolt

    LOL Yeah it was something like that. His chosen moniker was actually kinda insulting to HIM. I may go back in the archives to find the name.

    Regarding charity, I was referring to the rhetoric around here. Truth is many of you are likely blowhards with hearts of mush.

    Habitat Tex? Ain’t that a Jimmy Carter thing? I figured you’d reject that out of hand.

  104. Funny Tex your last comment reminded me of my neighbor. Real handy and would help you without a second thought. He and I were discussing amperage a couple of weeks ago as I fiddle with charging my EV. He’s a car nut and he loves my new car.

  105. Based on what most here write, I’d wager Rutherford is the least charitable of anyone in the house or completely uncharitable. He exempts himself. And yes, charity includes money, time, mentorship etc. It does not include donating to your alma mater in hopes of giving your child a better chance at admission.

    You’ve got some former underdogs right here, R.

    You have again proved my statement about the IRS. Dumb. Too bad there’s more Rutherfords out there that exist in the cheerleading bubble. Without guys like you, dictators, tyrants and despots wouldn’t exist. Just sad.

  106. Yes, Rutherford, we sometimes forget ourselves on the internet and react as if people are talking face to face. For those reasons, that particular site and one I helped moderate had strict rules including;
    No personal insults
    No fights
    Stick to the topic or start a new thread
    Don’t respond to a personal attack File a complaint. Otherwise, both will be suspended.
    After people have been nasty to each other they may not respond to each other and are better not to write in the same thread.
    Insulting or threatening private messages if subject to complaint are grounds for banishment.
    No questioning moderators

    The fat grannies was the first site I visited which had few if any rules. It was free.

  107. R – have you seen this?

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/17/air-force-removes-so-help-me-god-requirement-from-/

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties. ~ Thos. Jefferson
    Jan. 1. 1802

    You are a fortunate people to stand on the shoulders of such giants.
    Don’t fuck it up.

  108. Tigre I have no idea where my charitable giving stacks up against yours or anyone else’s here. That’s probably because I’ve already divulged who I give to and you have not.

    In addition to Harvard, the American Cancer Society usually gets a donation. Red Cross usually gets something during a major disaster. Godaddy has a “round up to charity” option on every purchase, which I take advantage of (just did it this week).

    So no, I’m not uncharitable. With that said, I probably give less than some others here. I do what I can.

  109. Jefferson laid his hand on a bible when he was sworn into office.

    Silly observation. Parker didn’t say Jeff was an atheist. The whole point is that he didn’t feel his relationship with God should be enforced on everyone.

    Parker, bravo to the air force for getting this right.

  110. ”The moral indignation is almost funny considering the total lack of empathy most of you have for life’s underdogs.”

    What is that, irony?

    And in the very same thread…!

    Hopefully Rutherford’s immunity from ethical and practical concerns over the current IRS abuse of power because the victims are unsympathetic in his eyes is rigorous compartmentalization.

    ”…in this now month-old job I am yet again “meeting” people who make me think voting rights should be tightened.”

    WHAT IS THAT, IRONY???

    Seriously though Rutherford, illiteracy – even and most notably among college graduates is on the decline. Now I axe ya – how can you use a computer if you can’t read?

  111. “That’s probably because I’ve already divulged who I give to and you have not.”

    Yes I have. We’ve been through this. Among other things, I have given thousands of hours over my career doing pro bono work, participated as a mentor in high school mock trial events as a coach and judge, headed fund raising for medical related charities — and other things that help the underdog you root for and I don’t.

    You can do more than rounding up and rooting for the underdog/voting democrat don’t cut it for the moral judgment you cast.. You have time and an education that your parents blessed you with. You have a cosmic duty to use them for an underdog before patting yourself on the back for your pretend virtues.

  112. Awesome story James.

    If Rutherford wants me to leave all he has to do is ask. All he has to do is ask.

    ~

    I am actually quite jealous. To do WTF you want with few financial worries is a beautiful thing. It is the retirement I will never live to see AND Tex is enjoying this retirement at a young age.

    We know…

  113. Seriously though Rutherford, illiteracy – even and most notably among college graduates is on the decline. Now I axe ya – how can you use a computer if you can’t read?

    I was commenting on computer literacy. I am just amazed at the number of people who have such difficulty working the damn thing.

    Regarding voting rights, of course I’d never favor steps to limit voting BUT damn it does take you aback when you think about how many outright stupid people vote.

    But then you’d consider the election of Obama proof of that, wouldn’t you? 🙂

  114. Wow. Muffy your last comment really puzzled me. No, don’t want you to leave and don’t recall ever implying I did.

    As for my comment about Tex “we know …” Was that sarcasm? What exactly was that about?

  115. “Silly observation. Parker didn’t say Jeff was an atheist. The whole point is that he didn’t feel his relationship with God should be enforced on everyone.”

    You are a silly little man.

    Jefferson didn’t find taking the oath offensive to the concept of separation of church and state since it was on display in connection with his office. That was Pfucker’s authority. You’ll see he quoted it and everything. 🙄

    But Bravo for being as historically illiterate as Pfuckface. Jefferson was neither the author of nor a coauthor of the First Amendment. He cannot be considered as a source of legal authority on this subject.

    Justice Rehnquist made an extensive study of the history of the First Amendment, and said In his dissent in Wallace v. Jaffree that “There is simply no historical foundation for the proposition that the Framers intended to build the `wall of separation’ that was constitutionalized in Everson. . . . But the greatest injury of the `wall’ notion is its mischievous diversion of judges from the actual intentions of the drafters of the Bill of Rights. . . . [N]o amount of repetition of historical errors in judicial opinions can make the errors true. The `wall of separation between church and state’ is a metaphor based on bad history. . . . It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned. . . . Our perception has been clouded not by the Constitution but by the mists of an unnecessary metaphor. It would come as much of a shock to those who drafted the Bill of Rights, as it will to a large number of thoughtful Americans today, to learn that the Constitution, as construed by the majority, prohibits the Alabama Legislature from endorsing prayer. George Washington himself, at the request of the very Congress which passed the Bill of Rights, proclaimed a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God. History must judge whether it was the Father of his Country in 1789, or a majority of the Court today, which has strayed from the meaning of the Establishment Clause.”

    If Jefferson is your source, perhaps you will find for me where Jefferson had a problem with public declarations of things such as In God We Trust” by the Will of God, or banning the requisite “so help me God” in military oaths and courtrooms everywhere including those established under Article Three.

    The point is that Jefferson’s interpretation of church and state is not the same as the one supplied by Little Man Pfesser.

    In the meantime, Bravo Rutherford. Bravo with nor trifling with any depth in dismissing things that don’t affirm your political affiliation. It really clutters.

  116. “But then you’d consider the election of Obama proof of that, wouldn’t you?”

    Haha. Yes!

    “As for my comment about Tex “we know …” Was that sarcasm? What exactly was that about?”

    I forgot to italicize the quote too. No, not sarcasm. We know every word contained in your admission. Some lines we know because we know you, some lines we know because we can relate, and some lines we know because it’s the nonsubjective truth.

  117. “As I said earlier the RHETORIC around here can be uncharitable. Actions in your private lives may contradict that.”

    That RHETORIC applies to you by implication, Chowda Head. Including your prior comments about how liberals care more about people than conservatives etc. etc.

    Now go walk the walk big boy Mr. Empathy. Do something for someone else. Show us who roots for the underdog and who just assign themselves the moral standing by claiming they do.

  118. ”I must have missed Pool’s comment cos this whole Clit and Slack thing is going right over my head.”

    Slack is his wife and Clit is his homeschooled grandkid trying to spell Cletus.

  119. “I was commenting on computer literacy. I am just amazed at the number of people who have such difficulty working the damn thing.”

    I know. Also I said illiteracy was on the decline by mistake (I meant literacy). In any case I got your drift.

  120. I know. Also I said illiteracy was on the decline by mistake (I meant literacy). In any case I got your drift.

    Sorry usually I speak fluent typo but that time I took you literally. We are in agreement.

  121. I wonder if our militant atheist resident remembers, with no debate, about the historical accuracy of a Jefferson “quote?” One that would not be in dispute. What do we know for sure that Jefferson did sign his name too about the spiritual and for sure penned, even signing his name to it?

    Rutherford is simply a historical imbecile, strange in the fact he’s apparently interested in history. However, I generally find little malevolence in Rutherford. Not so with you, Pfesser. So I’ll call your stupidity this one time.

    Obviously, Pfesser is different, the proverbial one trick pony outside of his obsession with Sarah Palin. And even the casual, nascent observer without profession training would recognize Pfesser is dysfunctional – his family history, current and past, demonstrates how dysfunctional. Like Pfesser’s personal stories he can’t keep square – obviously, a pathological liar.

    Jefferson is one who been so twisted by militants, demons and scumbags like Pfesser, that I don’t believe a word that comes out of their mouths anymore about Jefferson. Even their ‘separation of church and state’ meme was Jefferson’s promise in defense of the church – not the state.

    Because the only thing we knew for sure about Jefferson and his religion is that he signed a document lending credence to Creator who granted us those very rights Pfesser now attempt to hide behind in debate.

    So Rutherford, you believe Jefferson would have excluded God from anything, do you? Do we need to revisit the preamble of our Declaration of Independence?

    Pfesser, you’re a fraud in so many ways. I’m not totally convinced you’re a doctor, because frankly, much of medical advice you provide here is pretty much bullshit or so dated, to be useless.

  122. Slack is his wife and Clit is his homeschooled grandkid trying to spell Cletus.

    LOL! LOL!

    Contrast that to Pfarker’s wife Slit and and Clit, Parker’s Dominionist Disciple.

  123. Here Rutherford. You really need to read this. This is the first Constitutional Prayer requested by our Founding Fathers, including the “atheists” Jefferson, Franklin and Paine.

    I think this might say something about the mindset of our Founders while they were debating issues risking their lifes, their fortunes, and their families in the face of peril. They opened with this.

    See if you can find militant atheism in this prayer as we attempt to exclude God from the public sector:

    O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

    Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

    Amen.

    Reverend Jacob Duché
    Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.

    http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html

  124. Thanks Muffy. You can’t leave. Your departure would ruin the ambiance.

    I agree, El Tigre. We all seem to be survivors of some type of adversity. That is different from being a victim.

    I agree, Rutherford. We have discussed it before. Some people are so ignorant they should not be allowed to to vote without taking a refresher course of current events and our system of government.

    Yesterday, a man shot a popular 72 year old jewelry store owner in Omaha. He is still at large. His race doesn’t matter.

    What matters is his story is related to Rutherford’s post. A local talk show host said the man would still be alive if he had had a weapon. He also challenged anyone to provide a solution besides incarceration or killing the criminal. People disagreed with his stark assessment, but no one had any better solutions than we have suggested.

  125. Insulting wives, children, and grandchildren now.

    And its not even met with condemnation, but with laughter.

    Nobody has any insults for James’s grandchild?
    What, no insults for DR’s wife?
    No chops on ET’s kids?

    The big concern any of you has when someone gets outed around here is “was it me?”

    Tex is 1 step away from wishing people’s wives and kids are raped by sex offenders.

    Can you imagine the shitstorm if any of the “wrong” people around here were met with any of the above?

    I don’t know what disgusts me more…the people doing it or the people laughing about it.

  126. Huck if you’re suggesting that Poolman christening me with and Pfesser adopting the term CLIT as applied to me for what – two three days now – is over the line, I quite agree.

    I’m not about to sit quietly. No one has ever spoken to me like that. Not that I’m aware of and these two fuckshits can say whatever they like in private. But to my face, figuratively speaking, then yeah – I’m firing it right back.

    You have a problem with that?

  127. Tex is 1 step away from wishing people’s wives and kids are raped by sex offenders.

    Actually, I was wishing upon a star it was your mushy ass that was King Kong raped by a sex offender. 😈

    Maybe it’s because I respect them and they are not in the habit of mocking and lying through their teeth about my faith like a shit stirred, militant blowhard and ill-equipped, Joooo hatin’ jackass like you.

    What I don’t understand about self-announced piety like you Huckhead, is why after picking a fight and getting it handed back to you, you then seek allegiance of a sort, trying to gain something? Sympathy? Understanding? A Pfesser blowjob?

    Is it your ISIS/Pali sympathizer background and never winning?

  128. “Tex is 1 step away from wishing people’s wives and kids are raped by sex offenders.”

    No he’s not.

    There might be some legitimate criticism in there but your lathered up rant is equally over the top and hard to take seriously.

    Go chew an aspirin and calm the fuck down before you ‘splode.

  129. Muffy, I’m sure Huck was concerned about the comments directed at you. 🙄

    I love that you can handle your own. The full-of-shit little man, Pfesser, threatened to call the FBI. Pussy.

  130. Even their ‘separation of church and state’ meme was Jefferson’s promise in defense of the church – not the state.

    But you don’t take it to the next step. To protect religion you cannot mandate a pledge to any God since it starts the slippery slope of mandating a pledge to a particular God. Keeping gov separate from religion prevents Iran and Afghanistan.

  131. Come to think of it, no there’s not. Histrionic bullshit.

    Nah, you’re wrong.

    1. Every now and then words get exchanged that are a bit much for some and they have every right to object. No harm in that. I still need to go back and find Pool’s comment because I honestly don’t know WTF all this clit/slack talk is about.

    2. Huck makes another valid point about the schoolyard nature of this place. There is an unspoken alliance that protects Tex, Rabbit, Tigre, BiC, Gorilla and Muffy and James from any real abuse from each other. While not part of the alliance, Alfie is also immune from abuse even when dissenting.

    Then there’s Huck, Pfarker, Poolman and yours truly who get savaged when coloring outside the lines. I consider it the price of doing business but I fully get it when one of the others gets fed up.

    So Tigre, as is often the case, you’re wrong. 🙂

  132. @Huck –

    What’s the matter with you, anyway? How dare you suggest that it’s inappropriate to threaten or wish violence upon others! Or in poor taste to engage in the most vile of name-calling, or reveling in the thoughts of burying someone a hundred feet deep.

    — Or, the classiest manoeuvre of all, making sport of the physical disabilities of the innkeeper who maintains this little slice of heaven, comparing him to Tolkien’s Gollum. Now THERE’s class for you!

    You probably deserve to be anal-raped by King Kong, or some equally sophomoric fantasy. Clit and Slack are Such Kidders, aren’t they?!

    But, as you see, the most effective response is not to respond in kind; it’s mirth. And there’s a tuckerbag full of mirth waiting in the wings, too, I wager. I had no idea Poolman was so witty.

    C’mon, Mate, join in the fun! For sure, there’s plenty of comedy material.

  133. “So Tigre, as is often the case, you’re wrong.”

    Nah. Histrionics. Go back and look at the Clit and Slack routine which led to Huck’s bullshit. I didn’t pay attention to it until Muffy spoke up and I looked back. Why don’t you see what you’re backing. It doesn’t lead to Tex wishing someone’s famile would be sexually assaulted.”

    Name calling goes both ways between you and me. Pfuckface never hesitates to make a personal attack. You’re just thin skinned and, of course, say unbelievably stupid shit. 😆

    And you just align with anybody that says what you want to hear, this just being another one of them.

    I don’t feel the need to step in and defend anyone here from a personal attack. No one is incapable of holding their own, except for “Lil Pfesser that calls to your for help and threatens calls to the FBI.

  134. Gosh, R – I’ll lay it out for you: Clit is, once again, the female impersonator around these parts. I say impersonator, because no woman does NOT know the difference between various girl parts in this modern day and age, unless “she” has been living in some outback shack. (hmmm…actually, maybe that IS the problem.)

    I think Slack was Pool’s term for the ONLY perpetually unemployed slacker on your blog. That one should be pretty easy to figure out. Think bipolar disorder.

    Best I can do. Gotta get to the office.

  135. Gee, I notice ‘Lil Pfesser is holding true to form. I also I notice you’re shielded from any real abuse from the local drunkard.

  136. Ok I rewound the video tape and realize I did read Pool’s comment and it so befuddled me at the time, I cast it aside. Hence subsequent references to Clit and Slack went over my head.

    Putting aside a simple ad hominem attack, Muffy can you enlighten me with why Pfarker thinks you don’t understand lady parts? Is this some holdover from Fat Grannies?

    Shit I still need to Google Click and Clack … Pools lost me right there.

  137. I believe the brothers the second floor office of a corner building facing Harvard Square with windows painted to read “Dewey, Cheatum & Howe, Attorneys at Law.”

    They’re on NPR. Pretty entertaining.

  138. ”Putting aside a simple ad hominem attack, Muffy can you enlighten me with why Pfarker thinks you don’t understand lady parts? Is this some holdover from Fat Grannies?”

    Which “simple ad hominem attack” are you referring to exactly?

    Nope, I haven’t got a clue what he’s talking about. This is the first I’ve ever heard both the female impersonator and the anatomy jive. Does anyone know?

    Also no, I never commented at fat grannies.

    ”Never listened to it so I was clueless.”

    Now you know. Still clueless?

  139. To protect religion you cannot mandate a pledge to any God since it starts the slippery slope of mandating a pledge to a particular God. Keeping gov separate from religion prevents Iran and Afghanistan.

    Absolutely true – that’s what the establishment clause is for and it was done for the protection of the public who had suffered under a real theocracy of a crazed loon. Have you ever heard me state here any differently? This is why I laugh at your charges of theocracy. If Christianity isn’t free will, I don’t know what is. King George was not.

    But you demand it be carried it a step further because you too are a militant bigot out of mostly ignorance, it’s gets in the way of your narrative and your desires, you’re foolish and not terribly deep, and most importantly, you were indoctrinated from the crib. I get it.

    You want to banish any form of public worship in any public square because you’re the rudder at the back of the ship of fools.

    It’s never been this way in our entire history from its inception – an example is Congress still opens with a prayer, now worthlessly secular – but the precedent remains. And you’re so historically inept and poorly read, you don’t even know that. And if you really were up to real debate anymore, I would happily challenge your assertions. But you run off because your attention span is the length of a puppy.

    ——-

    I spare those you listed because, one I respect them as people and more importantly I like them even when I disagree with them. I spare you much of the time(you wouldn’t notice) because you’re nice enough to provide a blog, and I grudgingly respect you for providing an open forum. I don’t particularly find you an edifying person, though on occasion in something secular, it’s okay.

    As far as Pfesser goes, nobody likes or respects him here or anywhere else for that matter. The man is pathetic and I thought that even when I was civil with the drunk – a complete fraud, coward and blowhard of little significance. We’ve all worked with pompous asses like Pfesser – one who is so insecure, he demands admiration and attention. You don’t think his daily irreligious dump isn’t seeking attention?

    Pfesser has a chip on his shoulder – someone like the SDS crowd of Ward Churchill or Bill Ayers out the ‘Nam generation. They’re an absolutely disgrace to the beauty of this country; completely feckless, only interesting to the totally dysfunctional and lost. Yawn.

    Huck and Poolman – well, that’s self-explanatory, though Huck used to provide some really good stuff. But it’s been a long time. Now he’s “educated.” LOL

  140. Which “simple ad hominem attack” are you referring to exactly?

    Once again I didn’t phrase that well. What I meant was, was the lady parts quip pure ad hominem and nothing more or was there some history behind it?

    Apparently you don’t know either. As for cluelessness, LOL yes I’m clueless on a good number of things but now I at least “get” the Click and Clack/Clit and Slack “joke”. Not funny but at least I understand the reference now.

  141. Yes Tex I know Congress opens with a prayer.

    You and Huck are pretty much on the same page domestically. You part ways on FP because quite frankly Huck is less chauvinistic than you are.

  142. “Apparently you don’t know either. As for cluelessness, LOL yes I’m clueless on a good number of things but now I at least “get” the Click and Clack/Clit and Slack “joke”. Not funny but at least I understand the reference now.

    Is there any more you have to say?

  143. Is there any more you have to say?

    Why yes. It is not cool to sexualize a debate with a woman. While Pfarker talks about Tex’s lack of “class” he should also acknowledge how totally classless it was for Pools to insult you that way. Slack at least throws a dig at Tex’s enviable employment status. But the attack on you was pure mysogyny.

    I apologize for not spelling that out until you prompted me to.

  144. You part ways on FP because quite frankly Huck is less chauvinistic than you are.

    Is that why my wife told me I should have been a girl? 😛 Because I’m secretly self-loathing?

    Why, yes. I now how those Muzzies ‘love’ their women that Huckhead gives his undying adulation. Was that the FP you speak? Jews and Christians = wife beaters; Muzzies & atheists = Teddy Bears?

    You’re clueless, Rutherford. But occasionally your naivety about the most simple things in life gives me a chuckle. It’s a wonder you were ever potty trained.

  145. “I apologize for not spelling that out until you prompted me to.”

    It’s not that. Your responses and non-responses baffled me. But it’s more or less cleared up. As much as it’s going to be.

  146. The Art of War is a good book to read when exploring the internet.

    Thank goodness Scotland decided to remain with the union. Most of the people we met at bed and breakfasts resented the British and said they suffered discrimination when applying for universities, etc. A number of Quebec separatists visited Scotland to get pointers on conducting their own project.

    A survey linked to Drudge says a quarter of people in the US would consider leaving our union.

    Radio station KFAB said this is the anniversary of John Wayne’s first movie western. He befriended a 79 year old man as a consultant to teach him how to portray a man of the old west. Wayne attended his funeral when he died. He was Wyatt Earp.

  147. My wet dream is to be free of Leftists, the dregs of America, and Christian bigots, the dregs of the entire earth; no influence in my life or my family’s life whatsoever.

    I guess that rules you, Fat Grannies and Barack Obama out, Rutherford. 😎 A little piece of heaven on earth. Free, at last!

    Actually, I think the better idea might just be federalism.

    http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa45.htm

    Interesting story, James. Ever seen Stagecoach when Wayne was much younger? Really good movie.

  148. A Yes, I have seen Stagecoach a couple of times on television. I agree it is a good movie.

    Some of those old movies and television westerns were still close enough to the frontier to let writers visualize life of the time. A show called Arizona Rangers featured a few old veterans of the time with comments. Another Old West movie star was Hoot Gibson who was born about 15 miles from us. Besides being a movie star, I think he was in the US and Canadian Cowboy Halls of fame,.

    My grand father was a surveyor in Arizona around that time. A gun fight began in a bar, and he dived under a table just as characters in some of those old movies

    Its like listening to Pancho and Lefty by Merle Haggard and Willie Nelson,.

  149. I told you about a jewelry store robbery and how I suspected it fit Rutherford’s blog. It did. The captured the 18 year old who is suspected of robbing a bank last weekend. The family is well-known to police. This time, the mother did the right thing and turned her son in.

  150. So I’m sitting here at the brace maker getting a broken rivet replaced. There’s so much torque in the braces when I walk that I bust a rivet at least 3 times a year.

    Tex you’re handy AND medically trained. Could you tell me why there have been no major innovations in orthotics in the past 20 years? The last big one was the transition from metal to plastic.

    Actually there is one innovation that I need to investigate but I suspect it won’t work with my particular pathology.

  151. Tex you’re handy AND medically trained. Could you tell me why there have been no major innovations in orthotics in the past 20 years? The last big one was the transition from metal to plastic.

    Obamacare. 😈 I can make you some wood stilts to make you taller. Maybe even platform shoes. Maybe they need to can the idea of plastic rivets and put a few Grade A bolts in the thing.

    I suspect old friend it’s the root cause of almost everything driving the world today where there is no innovation.

    There’s no money in it.

  152. There’s no money in it.

    Dunno why I didn’t think of that.

    The frame of the brace is plastic. The rivets are metal. They just can’t take the torque.

    If you compare the innovations in prosthetics to those of orthotics you’re almost better off with no legs at all.

  153. James I don’t get the connection to the blog.
    R for what it’s worth my experience has left me thinking the no money it line covers it. Part of the problem is a lot of other clinicians got involved in “prescribing” them yet insurers and regulators and manufacturers never got on the same page.
    You’re right about prosthetics though. You’re gonna start seeing 3d printing in the limb game.

  154. It’s not so much torque I expect as shear, Rutherford. I’m guessing the manufacturer is using some cheap ass alloy to cut weight and probably to cut costs too. I know little about orthotics and such. Do things like that come with a warranty and you buy them outright, or do they just bill the insurance company for their repair time?

    Like so many things manufactured anymore, water tanks come to mind, they are purposely making things crappier to be replaced more frequently. And no, I’m not being cynical.

    I had an engineer at Rheem admit to me as much before I changed out my hot water system – less glass lining and cheap ass anodes. Engineer said they couldn’t compete when hot water tanks were lasting 20 years or more.

    I can make your hot water tank last twice as long by changing the anode to magnesium. And I’m guessing somebody out there could do the same thing with orthotics.

    About the only thing I see built to last longer anymore are cars.

  155. Tex if torque is twist then the problem is torque. Has to do with my gait and pressure on the shin rivets particularly if I pivot while standing.

    The rivets are really the Achilles heel of the brace. The molded plastic around the leg is durable and quite light weight. The knee joints and locks have never failed — almost ten years — probably longest I’ve ever owned a pair.

    Even though this brace maker didn’t make this pair I get repairs for free. I’m thinking of buying a new pair. This is the same company that designed Roger Ebert’s prosthetic jaw.

    Now, rewind to about 1966. An old German guy lays you out on a table with a huge sheet of paper under you. He traces your legs with a pencil and a few weeks later you get a pair of all metal braces that hook into orthopedic shoes. And my first pair had no locking knee joints. Legs stayed straight for hours at a time. Truly prehistoric torture. While I gripe about the lack of innovation, they really have come a long way from then.

  156. Rutherford – exactly how do your rivets hold the parts together? Rivets are designed to carry a shear load; they can’t be loaded in torque because they would just spin. They also are never loaded in tension or compression. They CAN be used to hold together parts that are themselves under torque, but the force on the rivet is always shear. Likely your rivets are too small to handle the shear force when you pivot. You can buy bigger rivets, drill the holes out to size, and put them in with a hammer and small anvil or piece of steel to act as a “bucking bar.” If you have room, additional rivets will add strength and service life.

    The majority of rivet strength doesn’t come from the rivet itself; when they are “upset” – shortened – they squeeze the parts together and the friction between the two parts transfers the load between them. That is why a loose rivet must be replaced immediately, once the parts begin to “work,” the system fails in short order. You can get some additional service life by tightening them up with a small ball-peen hammer. You ever do that?

    BTW, I’m about halfway through the “Stop Helping Us” book. This guy is really on the money, in my opinion.

    Where’s Pools? Life is getting dull around here … LOL

  157. re: classlessness and sex

    Let’s get realistic, R. There’s no real class in this little slice of heaven, and certainly not among the Right Wingnuts. The real class in the conservative world belonged to WFB Jr.. Firing Line was wonderful: lively debates between men who respected each other and never crossed the ad hominem line (except when Gore Vidal famously kept calling Buckley a Nazi and Buckley threatened to whip his ass on national TV).

    This is modern time, R. When you behave like an aggressive turd, you can’t hide behind a skirt and say, “Don’t hit me! I’m a girl!” because somebody will just backhand you to the ground onto your ample arse.

    Even Poolman has a limit. Frankly, Pool’s little excursions into giving-as-good-as-he-gets are quite mild, especially when compared with the tedious rantings of the manic-depressive Slacker. My suspicion is that when the ad hominem directed at him stops, he’ll go back to his usual affable self; otherwise, expect more anatomy lessons.

  158. Even Poolman has a limit. Frankly, Pool’s little excursions into giving-as-good-as-he-gets are quite mild, especially when compared with the tedious rantings of the manic-depressive Slacker.

    Still burnt. Give it up, drunken witch doctor still nursing the “toddy.” You’ve become a repetitious, tedious bore and you were a world class bore to begin with.

    You’re used to the harpies being a doormat and you met your match of the ad hominem got your virtual ass kicked in front of an audience, blew up to the point of apoplexy, and lost it to the point of making an ass of yourself.

    And you’ll never live that episode down around here, Pfussy. I would have thought somebody as “brilliant” as you would have figured that out by now. But you never did strike me as reading people very well.

    Live with it.

  159. “Let’s get realistic, R.” – Pfesser – Pfarker

    Anytime, Zed.

    ”When you behave like an aggressive turd, you can’t hide behind a skirt and say, “Don’t hit me! I’m a girl!” because somebody will just backhand you to the ground onto your ample arse.”

    There’s something missing from your lesson, Magoo. Reality. Read the transcript.

    Coincidentally that’s also the missing component in your commentary, which is why you aren’t generally regarded around here as terribly witty or insightful. Usually we just ignore you until you make a big enough scene to remind us that you haven’t shot yourself in the face with your fabulous aim yet.

    Yes, let’s get realistic shall we – you’re a churlish boor and a crashing bore, “Mate.” No one misses you when you disappear for any length of time and no one cares if you ever come around again. We don’t even care enough to wish you’d stay gone. You could say you’re the Milli Vanilli of the RL Blog.

    Yes, even Poolman has a limit. Evidently that limit is being called an “inconsiderate show-off” and “remarkably unaware” by someone who generally ignores him and endures his bandwidth-hogging and unedifying, unenlightening, and uninteresting commentary without protesting too frequently.

    ”…otherwise, expect more anatomy lessons.”

    No one’s whining or crying here, Smalls. No one knows what you’re talking about either, but don’t let that stop you.

    Poolman can feel free to call me a CLIT and you can repeat it four or five times just in case anyone’s ignoring it or carrying on – don’t let your hypocrisy regarding class, respect, or crossing a line stop you either.

    We don’t care. Nobody does.

    PS…But this does have me concerned… another young woman goes missing from the UVA/VA Tech area – that’s the fifth in about as many years. That’s your locale isn’t it, Henry Lee?

  160. Rutherford, can you please consider starting a new “open thread” after about the 300-400th comment? Other bloggers do it and it really doesn’t require a new article. You could call it “Sit Down I’ll Be Right With You” or something different each time, or just Open Thread with the date.

    Not an ongoing separate thread, especially an old one. Think stale beer.

  161. I haven’t had time to read many of the comments in the past few days, so alfie I’m not sure of what you wrote. I assume you meant my writing the Omaha jewelry store robber fit Rutherford’s latest musing. It does for these reasons. Rutherford commented on the need to determine and fix the root causes of poverty and especially crime in some black communities.

    It was racist of me to guess the robber-murderer was black, but our daughter the therapist proved my assumption correct. Her office has dealt with the robber’s girl friend, and several other friends, but not him. He is a product of a single parent home, and he has been in trouble several times in spite of his age of 18. He was shot a year or so ago, probably in a gang-related incident, our daughter guesses. The family has is a regular with law enforcement, though they are not the crime wave another family was.

    The mother tried to control her son, but she failed. In the end, she turned him in.

    This is exactly what Rutherford was writing about. He couldn’t have done better if he had invented an example to prove his point.

    If I am wrong, never mind.

    Rutherford, I and others have written some people are too ignorant to vote. The news tells us what happens when they are in the majority.

  162. @James: My confusion stems from regardless of what I know Rutherford to believe I never ever read this post as anything but a slam on Paul. You are the only one that saw its “soul” somehow.

    I sometimes don’t get a full bead or correct one on you so I tend to ask follow ups. I was wondering if your earlier comment was somehow taking a further position on the redemption angle which Muffy and I felt the legislation was aiming for and you seemed to stand against.
    Everything I read on this story jives with something I know Tex could speak to for OK and others in Red places can as well. Quite simply the USA has an underclass and it is a huge problem and it needs to be addressed with a multi-prong attack.

  163. Rutherford, can you please consider starting a new “open thread” after about the 300-400th comment?

    Muffy I’ll take it under consideration. When I was self employed with near zero business I had way too much time on my hands and could be counted on for about a post a week.

    On the other hand resorting to “open threads” too often stops this from being a blog and turns it into a pure discussion forum.

    I know load time is an issue. I’ll try to make the place more technologically hospitable. Because I interact with you guys 99% through an iPhone app, I’m frankly oblivious to how many comments have actually been posted.

  164. alfie, I based my conclusion of Ruterford’s intent on his last sentence, “no matter how well-intentioned, you are still left with crime and poverty. What we need now are leaders with the courage to do some root cause analysis.”

    Nothing Paul or Corker proposes will attack the root cause of a disfunctional culture. I think the REDEEM ACT is a good thing. It will save some people from long sentences and records which make it harder to integrate within our society. The legislation would help specific individuals take the chance to change their lives. However, that won’t change the culture. I support the redemption effort. I just think that like other attempts to restore proper attitudes for living, it won’t change the population.

    I assume Rutherford thinks the effort is laudable ( I do) but it doesn’t “get to the root of it.” I agree a multi -pronged attack is needed as you and muffy do, but again, it will only save individuals and won’t change the culture. I believe attitudes and values are imprinted within us at an early age. It is next to impossible to change dramatically without divine intervention or medical mind- laundering. This, in my opinion is a lost generation with more generations to come.

    Poverty is less a problem than one’s view of the world.

    I base my conclusion on observation, including our daughter’s experiences. Katy Perry is an example of one who reacts like an indoctrinated inner city person. She doesn’t want to be a Christian right now, but she cannot forsake its trappings because she has internalized them.

    Sami people, Lithuanians and others were forceably Christianized, and the process seemed relatively smooth but it wasn’t Sami went home and held secret baptism nullification ceremonies and continued to joik when others weren’t watching. Baltic people dutifully worshiped their old God, but when they were alone, they worshiped the old gods as insurance.

    Note how hard it is for Rutherford to see the light. It almost takes a political disaster for him to consider a change, and even then, he isn’t sure. We are the same. Its true, we have people like neoconservatives and others with immigrant syndrome, but they are not.

    If we can understand why Katy still prays we will understand why some people steal even when they don’t have to. I hope I am wrong and that people prove me so, but I think it won’t happen.

    I don’t mind followup questions. My view of the world is often slightly askew.

  165. I was out of state visiting my mom for her birthday. I thought I’d catch up on the thread and, well…

    First, what a dust up! In retrospect, I should have gone with Slick. Lord knows I’ve grown to greatly respect the clitoris. It’s very female and even its nickname isn’t derogatory like c**t, a word Slack has used on this blog NUMEROUS times. You folks must have missed it. I was apparently too mean. I apologize. I do sometimes bite when provoked.

    ** rhymes with blunt

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Another thing is that fraud of a vote in Scotland. I think I read Alfie was happy they remain under the crown. Did you see this video? That was not a vote. The die was cast. George Galloway even disappointed me. I see some others with a new perspective. The divide is widening and fence straddlers are wobbling. I foresee an uprising. There’s some serious anarchy underfoot, I sense.

    I surely don’t want to discuss the isis crisis. At least not with folks who call them authentic or muslim. The emperor has no clothes, and more people are seeing that. There are way too many distractions to keep track.

  166. Which is it, liar, you bite when provoked or you didn’t mean CLIT in a derogatory way? As if these two entirely contradictory excuses arent lame enough – i never called anyone a cunt either you inbred jackass.

    You’re nothing more than the guy that watches the locker room door for Pfesser Sandusky.

  167. Methinks the emperor needs to get “her”self a little mirror. Name-calling after name-calling after name-calling, but gets her vulva in a twist when someone makes a little sport of “her” in turn. Oh the outrage! Oh the insult! Oh the humanity! Like all wannabe bullies, it seems Clit can dish it out but can’t take it.

    FYI, Clit, the vulva is what you play with, the vagina is what’s inside. You’ve been a little confused about that sometimes, haven’t you, old “girl.”

    This is gonna be fun. Welcome back, Pools.

  168. MY point is you NEVER say a thing when Slack – your buddy – DID. NUMEROUS times. Why don’t you go back and find ONE incident where I started the exchange. You can’t. That’s the record.

  169. Pfussy, you’re lying through your teeth about Ms. Muffy and this supposed confusion. She’s another that often makes sport of your personal inadequacies, and you’re down to the last gasps of the beaten foe. Mendacity. Welcome to the world of Progressive politik.

    If you’re going to attempt to “debate”, you need to quit lying. There’s likely to be Dominionists in waiting…

  170. “FYI, Clit, the vulva is what you play with, the vagina is what’s inside. You’ve been a little confused about that sometimes, haven’t you, old “girl.””

    What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About?

  171. According the Witch Doctor, Muffy confused the female anatomy – it seems the discussion was in the last, long-winded threat if memory serves.

    The charge is as ludicrous as it sounds, but the material is right up Pfussy’s expertise – sordid, sexualized and perverted.

    But since Witch is struggling to formulate a “crusher” since Muffy routinely humiliates his highness with one witticism after another when he drives in drunk, it has become necessary to make some type of false charge to cover the inadequacy.

    Pfussy is down to mendacity and making pals with Tool™man as ally, claiming great wisdom of the Tool™man – it’s gotten that desperate.

  172. Yea, I’m still not following the anatomy lesson either, Pfandusky. Why being so cagey about it?

    Poolscum calling anyone else a ne’er do well is like Rosie calling Elizabeth a fat pig. You going to be able to put your kids through college much less medical school, Lookout? Not like that’ll ever come up.

  173. Point us to it Pfaker. I’m guessing you’re making shit up because of badly CLIT humiliates your arrogant ass around here. You lie so damn much, why don’t you show us what you’re talking about this time?

  174. ”MY point is you NEVER say a thing when Slack – your buddy – DID. NUMEROUS times.”

    Repost links to these “NUMEROUS” times, Fluffer, and be sure to highlight where I or anyone else tittered and drizzled in their undies and made sure that the cunt heard it the first time, like Pfesser Sandusky here did. And the second time. And on and on. Repost that, Lookout.

    You’re grasping at straws. No one cared then and no one cares now. It’s not some great deathblow and you don’t get bonus points for rhyming, Junior. I’m not kvetching – I’m responding and wiping the floor with your ass as tedium takes over. I can take it just fine. Unlike Pfesser Sandusky’s victims, I can take care of myself.

    This is an unmonitored blog, Cletus. Know what that means? IT’S UNMONITORED! Go visit a couple more unmonitored blogs or discussion forums before you try and educate anyone on forum etiquette, you fucking midway carny.

  175. Alfie you know this would have been over almost as soon as it began but for one guy who didn’t want it to be over. Pfesser Pfarker Sandusky.

    You gonna scold me now for being called a CLIT and handling it my way?

  176. You’re right Rutherford but the difference in this case isn’t anything more than hasty word choice. This thread and a few past threads are evidence of that.

  177. Actually thought given the video I was being witty.
    1 it’s a video
    2 given its history it’s post related
    3 I’m not scolding or otherwise getting involved, really

  178. I appreciate your wit, alfie. I’m staying out too.

    This song is also related to the post in that it describes Rutherford and my view of the still unsolved culture problem. ” I was such a dreamer thinking fairy tales come true. I went through it over and over even though it hurt so bad.” Or for other things,” move on, take care, We’re done, I swear. I don’t care.”

    Carina Dahl.

  179. “3 I’m not scolding or otherwise getting involved, really.”

    Good. Of course you know you will be called a CLIT yourself if you don’t scold me. You too James and Tigre. BIC and rabbit also – as it appears that not being here at the time is no excuse for not getting involved.

    Truth is, you aren’t responsible for the exchange and you’re certainly not CLITS because of your desire to remain OUTofthefray.

    But you would be if you were a woman, so sayeth the moderator amd so echoeth the poolscum. Apparently I’m actually supposed to moderate the use of cunty language around here or else I’m a CLIT. Who knew?

    This is one nutty hospital.

  180. Any other corrections to the record you’d like to make or just the one?

    Nope. Although I did want to commend your word choice in one of your comments. I’ll have to go find the instance cos it cracked me up.

    BTW the reason why I asked earlier if you had posted at Fat Grannies is that I have no recollection of your confusing female body parts on THIS blog.

  181. But you would be if you were a woman, so sayeth the moderator amd so echoeth the poolscum.

    Sorry can’t let you get away with that. I view lack of opposition as tacit agreement and I apply that standard to all the “regulars” here including myself. That is why I apologized to you for not denouncing the clit comment sooner.

  182. Muffy doesn’t need your damn defense.

    You need her’s.

    So does the call-the-FBI cunt. He needs your interventions.

    Cut the shit. Go back to attacking Palin to exorcise you demons.

  183. Muffy doesn’t need your damn defense.

    It had nothing to do with what Muffy NEEDS, fuckwad. You either stand for something or you don’t. You don’t stand by silent when a woman is called a cunt or clit. This may seem passé to you, but there is still something known as “being a gentleman”. Sadly, this blog has made me lose sight of that from time to time.

  184. I view lack of opposition as tacit agreement and I apply that standard to all the “regulars” here including myself.

    Rutherford
    I wanted to stay out of this as it is your blog. Past incidents with Fake & Sensico found me taking the same road. I find your blanket indictment of others including me to be quite frankly,out of order.
    If you have a desire for a civility bar,a sanity bar or credibility bar etc to be present here it is incumbent upon you to set it and police it.
    Even in the anonymous setting of the internet adults should be expected to behave and be treated as adults. Quite simply none of you are my brother/sister and I am definitely not anyones keeper here.

  185. Repost the links? 🙄 Now wouldn’t that be a waste of time. Besides, that’s your shtick. I didn’t even write the word in question, though most prepubescents could figure it out. Did it get blown out of proportion? Sure, but not by me. The black and white is quite colorful. Read the thread.

  186. Alfie, I think I have probably stood the most abuse in the past 3 plus years I’ve been here. I like a lively back and forth, but could do without the ad hominems. There’s plenty that can dish it but can’t take it. I don’t recall ever attacking anyone’s family, or feeling need to. I do recall some of the threads with FN, but not too much of Sensico. Ultimately, we are all responsible for the words we speak/write.

  187. “And the ground caved in between where we were standing
    and your voice was all I heard… so give me reason to prove me
    wrong, to wash this memory clean. Let the floods cross the distance in your eyes. Across this new divide.”

    Linkin Park.

    “You’re no better or no worse than the others. We are all the same.
    And life is just a moment. You might as well enjoy the stay.’

    Kerli

  188. “It had nothing to do with what Muffy NEEDS, fuckwad. You either stand for something or you don’t.”

    Oh, put your finger back in you pocket and give your selective outrage a break. If you stand something, stand for Muffy taking care of herself. She does a damn fine job of it. Fuckwad. 🙄

    And that includes knowing she can unload on me for condoning something through silence if she thinks I NEED it. I don’t NEED you to tell me.

  189. Alfie, I think I have probably stood the most abuse in the past 3 plus years I’ve been here.

    Maybe you being a reprehensible human being has a thing or two to do with the abuse.

    Think I’m wrong, I challenge anyone to go back and read the Tool’s™ comments immediately after the murder of 20 kindergarten age children (Dec 2012) here on this blog and tell me this isn’t one of the most vile, disgusting people alive today.

    Inhuman.

  190. ” I try to wear another face just to make you proud and make you put me in my place, but everything you wanted from me was everything I could never be. The cities grow the rivers flow and where you are I’ll never know, but I’m still here.”

    Vertical Horizon

    I’m not upset with anyone. I am just amusing myself by finding songs to fit the occasion.

  191. Muffy, I apologize for Rutherford. He doesn’t speak for me. I respect you and your ability to speak to Dr. Demento aptly. I’m sorry Rutherford does not.

  192. LOL Tigre your stupidity knows no bounds. It’s not about Muffy. Maybe you should Google “the bystander effect” in the area of social psychology. You might learn a thing or two.

  193. Muffy, I am sorry that Rutherford views you a victim whose fate is dependent on the others here. It’s a language that appeals to him because it lays on his self-adjudged morality and ability to cast doubt by association upon others while he looks away.

    I am sorry about Rutherford’s misapplication of social psychology concepts to erode your dignity among the regulars in order to gratify his false sense of chivalry. I don’t condone it and will kick his ass for you if there’s one left when your done kicking it. And I will make sure to know it’s not about you, but rather everyone else except Rutherford.

    And I’m sorry about the rape culture Rutherford has created here on his blog. By remaining silent with all of Rutherford’s misogyny, I too am a rapist of sorts. Thank God Rutherford has the strength of character to speak up for the victim (it’s in there somewhere) and as an aware bystander recognize his own rapiness.

    I am sorry that I tolerated the sexism and degradation you endured on this vile blog. I could’ve stopped it but wrongly assumed men like Rutherford would do it. He watches MSNBC. It’s one hell of a credential, but I guess I assumed too much. The social pressure to conform was too great.

    And again, I am sorry for Abba. I didn’t say or do anything to stop it. Now people without any taste in music can see it on Broadway and perhaps theaters too. Sorry about that.

    Time to go Google “bystander effect” to be sure I learn how it has nothing to do with you and has everything to do with me (presumably the bystander). Since we all know Rutherford doesn’t know how to use Google, I will also tune into MSNBC to see how it is discussed there so I can be expert on its injustices too. Chances are good it has something to do with the NFL’s culpability for wife beating players. Somewhere in there we’ll find the basis for Rutherford’s self-righteousness and blame casting.

  194. “Rape culture Rutherford has created?” Give me a break. What is that crap, some personal-injury lawyer boilerplate? Channeling John Edwards, are we? LOL.

    Stick to ambulance-chasing. Psychology is above your pay grade.

    Rutherford is right. If people want an air of civility and adult behavior, then they need to behave that way, because people who are the objects of abusive speech eventually get tired of it and give it back.

    And, just as Poolman says, the abusers can’t take what they dish out. And it’s so lovely to watch them run to their thesaurus (mendacity!) and beat their flat chests. Oh, the humanity! It just doesn’t get any better than this.

    So amusing. Clit and Slack. god, that’s inspired, Pools. Thanks again. It’s going to be a long, long springtime of fun.

  195. That crap is called hyperbolic tongue-in-cheek dumbfuck. No wonder they needed to run you from your WV Bumbfuck practice.

    “Lil Man, you’re as dumb as you are unaware.

    Enjoy the Oprah-speak while you giggle at the word “clit.” Tee hee heee. That’s comedy that will never get old. Clit. Lol. Good one. Clit.

    You gonna be a bystander, R?

  196. Meanwhile, a bunch of black kids beat up a girl for behaving too “white.” I don’t remember where…Washington, DC, I think. It is not the first time this has happened.

  197. Meanwhile, a bunch of black kids beat up a girl for behaving too “white.” I don’t remember where…Washington, DC, I think. It is not the first time this has happened.

    I think I’ve mentioned this before but I had an acquaintance freshman year who hated going back to the hood on break because he got harassed for being too smart and acting “white”.

    It is an odd feature of human nature that some folks resent seeing people “make it” while others are inspired by it.

  198. It is an odd feature of human nature that some folks resent seeing people “make it” while others are inspired by it.
    The psychology of the underclass is pretty easy to map out once you take the trip yourself.
    A lot of what you see is rooted in a perverse form of jealousy . I doubt much of their daily life and surroundings inspire them at all. They tend to make connections to outside stuff to pin their hopes on where as what is right in front of them they tend to hold tightly to as an identifier. Those that appear to shed the common identity are to be scorned.
    Of course as individuals they can break away via their own integrity and grit,going back is folly.

  199. Australia continues its earnest drift towards the Anglosphere and parallels the USA in so many ways it is amazing.
    Kim Dotcom not only failed miserably in the latest election but added a cherry to his shit sundae by throttling and diluting Labour. lol

  200. Rutherford is right. If people want an air of civility and adult behavior, then they need to behave that way, because people who are the objects of abusive speech eventually get tired of it and give it back.

    What a pretentious schmuck and hypocrite. Your first post right here was an insult to the entire Christian faith, you braying jackass. I should have lit your feckless ass up right then but I mistakenly thought you had something to offer besides Palin, porn and sexual innuendo. I was wrong.

    I’m beginning to think you’re simply stupid if you believe the word ‘mendacity’ requires a Thesaurus. 🙄 What WV rock did you crawl out from under?

    And knock off the whining, victim mentality. Now you’re becoming the consummate bore, so boring it’s taken the joy out of insulting your massive, fragile ego.

    That’s even more retching that your false charges and personal stories of glory and riches.

  201. @ pools I don’t recall stating my position here regards Scottish independence.
    I did think it was a good idea for them to stay the course of devolution and to stay in the Union as the SNP based most of its rhetoric on sheep shit.
    Except for the oil tax revenue I think England should look forward to the day the Scots are set free. UK Labour is terrified by the idea as it would pretty much assure their electoral demise,at least given current leanings across the Pond.
    As such I fully support Camerons England votes for England issues. I get the superficial nature of it in light of the promise package delivered at midnight to nudge NO ahead but deeper down I think fair is fair,goose & gander and all that. The English were not to be allowed to vote on Scottish independence why should the English be beholden to Scottish leftist leanings in matters that don’t impact anyone but the residents of England?
    As for the alleged fraud stoked by YouTube videos and ONE of the Russian idiots I don’t buy it. Any credibility in it Salmond wouldn’t be walking away.

  202. Alfie, Australia has earned my respect. And their girls are pretty – like ours. 🙂

    Any country that not only is a dependable ally, but smart enough to start shipping the demon Mooslims back to that Orc honey pot from which they were created, deserves my applause.

  203. I did write that I was glad Scotland voted to remain in the union. My wife have been Scotland frequently, and stayed at their bed and breakfasts. To hear them talk about the Brits makes me think of what some black folk and Native Americans say about the Whites. I.m sure the Scots have a legitimate grip, but abrupt separation is a cure worse than the disease.

    Some British writers speculated that if the separation became reality, Scotland would ally it self closer to Scandinavia since northern Scotland is closer to Oslo than to London. Northern Scotish culture still resembles Nordic, and even some of the words are similar.

  204. Alfie in my own life I reacted two different ways vis-a-vis “making it”.

    When I was a child, I went to school with disabled kids. When one of my friends said she was going to go to a “normal school” I told her it wasn’t possible. It almost killed our friendship because I was being an ass.

    Years later I saw a high school classmate get into Yale. I never dreamed kids from Glen Cove, NY could go Ivy League. It inspired me to apply to Harvard.

    In the first case jealousy, as you noted, made me react in a self defeating way. Years later, perhaps more mature, someone’s good fortune made me see possibilities.

    I’m not sure the psychology is that easy to map unless we can account for why some react one way and others react another way.

  205. Australia continues its earnest drift towards the Anglosphere …

    Alfie you wrote about this on your blog and it puzzled me. Despite its geographic location it was a criminal colony of the UK. I’ve always viewed it as Anglo. What am I missing?

  206. Regarding Scotland, I’m glad they stayed put. My sense of tradition dictated the UK stay intact. Besides, I heard that UK keeps its nukes in Scotland. That could make separation thorny.

  207. ”The psychology of the underclass is pretty easy to map out once you take the trip yourself.”

    I know I’m “taking the trip” literally here but every so often I have to go for a drive through the hood. Even with a man by my side to protect me when I do need it there’s only so far into the abyss we can safely ride. Never mind going it alone, it’s not safe. I just need to see it sometimes, as a reminder.

    No camera can eliminate the fourth wall, though still photography and motion picture film stock in the hands of an artist can capture the rawness.

    ”A lot of what you see is rooted in a perverse form of jealousy . I doubt much of their daily life and surroundings inspire them at all. They tend to make connections to outside stuff to pin their hopes on where as what is right in front of them they tend to hold tightly to as an identifier. Those that appear to shed the common identity are to be scorned.
    Of course as individuals they can break away via their own integrity and grit,going back is folly.”

    I read further into it in saying that the jealousy is corrosive to the soul – or the human conscience if you prefer. I believe it creates a certain self-amnesty to freely steal and do violence, to kill without remorse on an ever widening scale. Abortion, rape, child sexual abuse, and murder stats don’t lie. But they do teach by example.

    A record is the last thing the kid needs.

  208. Rutherford the Anglosphere is based in shared cultural attributes such as language, law and in the non US form of the word liberalism.
    Australia has for logical reasons adopted a focus on its geographic region and it served it pretty well. Today China’s regional aspirations and the domestic issues of Islamic nuts and an enviable economy be getting other immigration issues is causing the Aussies to look to the USA instead.
    Likewise some see China’s actions as potentially harming what I call the Sinosphere. The region is quickly proving to be a replacement market for China’s exports to the US. Asia is hot but the neighbors most notably,Japan,Vietnam,India and Australiahave concerns. Then there’s the Indonesians,Philipines etc etc but you probably get the vibe now.

  209. I suppose it’s not too hard to imagine how Pfesser Sandusky can get both Poolpee and Rutherford’s dicks in his mouth at the same time, You keep on holding the female anatomy confusion ammo just as long as you need to, Mr coup de grace. Just don’t forget to change those depends once in a while, drizzler.

    Tigre & Tex – let them call me a clit until their tongues fall out for all I care. That’s the closest either of them can get to one. Pfesser Sandusky will be dead soon – long before I can’t take it anymore. And even I’d argue diminished capacity defense for poolpee myself. You feel free to ignore them – I’m not a subscriber to the farcical bystander rule. I also don’t give a shit what you say to them or anyone else here if Rutherford’s too “principled” to monitor his own blog. 🙄

  210. “I’m not sure the psychology is that easy to map unless we can account for why some react one way and others react another way.”

    I believe we can. Without your parents your chances would have dropped considerably. And you’re not even from the ghetto or the trailer park.

    The study of the personality traits of twins is fascinating. The primary determining factors are said to be biological; family; cultural; social; and situational.

    Not having a father in the home isn’t the only problem that the less fortunate kids face, as plenty of Appalachian daddys have ruined generations of children with their fondness for inbreeding. The mother has to be a stand up woman. If one – father or mother – in an unbroken home is a no-hoper then the kid’s chances drop.

    The only guy I personally know well who escaped the ghetto owes it to his momma. No excuses, no covering for him. She even had to leave him and his sister alone for her second shift job and they both sneaked out into the streets while she was gone. But she never let up, she never gave them over to the streets. And he made it. His sister too – which is even harder to accomplish if you can imagine.

  211. Gulp. My youngest daughter, the diva who better marry a billionaire, friended me on Facebook a few years back. She sent this gushing message and link to all her “friends” in perhaps one of the naivest speeches I’ve ever listened to by Emma Watson, Harry Potter goodwill ambassador to the corrupt and feckless U.N. – 24 years old; and that’s about the level of communication adequate for the adults that run the U.N. in my estimation.

    If Ms. Harry Potter had differentiated between the West and the East in the message, I might have given her light applause being she’s only 24 and I was pretty unworldly at that age too. It takes courage to make a speech like that.

    But no – Europe/American males apparently are on par with their Muslim brotherhood in their treatment of women – and the male feminists must be invited to be on board to change this patriarchal society. It seems harsh to say this, but not only is Ms. Watson naive, she’s gutless for not differentiating between cultures – she makes a consummate U.N. participant.

    Chock full of Hillary Rotten Clinton quotes and references too.

    I started to send my own naive daughter the stats about gender college graduation rates, a few horror stories of child custody cases and the like, her beloved Hollywood’s typical father role, and the note that although I think my youngest would call herself ‘pro-life’, Ms. Harry Potter got a standing ‘O’ for suggesting women do as they wish with their own bodies (abortion on demand).

    My oldest daughter is continually scolding the youngest to get her head out the sand and drop the sorority ‘talk.’ LOL I think my wife needs to take up that mantle. But the wife of the opinion daughter #2 will grow out of it.

    Please God, make my wife right. I love my Princess dearly, but apparently Rutherford isn’t the only one feeling like he “didn’t get through” to his daughter. 😈 It would be the height of irony for Rutherford’s daughter to grow up to be a firebreathing Conservative, while my own child offset’s Rutherford’s cute kid’s Conservative vote by becoming a flaming Leftist.

  212. Warning and somewhat of a funny, self-deprecating story.

    I’ve got a Poulan gas-powered leaf blower. If you own one, let me forewarn you to make damn sure you don’t have a draw string hanging out of the front of your pants – like Nike shorts, or something.

    Last night, blowing off the shaving from these shutters I’m making, I apparently passed a little to close to the personal privates and my draw string to my shorts got “sucked into” the leaf blower’s intake. I’m damn lucky my pecker is still attached. LOL Talk about getting your shorts cinched up! My waist became about 18″ until I could carry the leaf blower into the house attached to the front of me and find a pair of scissors to cut the damn thing.

    Thank God it happened in the backyard and not the front yard. The neighbors might have thought they had a real twisted sexual pervert in their midst – using a leaf blower. 😈 I’d have never lived that one down with my elderly neighbors.

    I must have removed 20 screws with a torque bit to get the damn thing disassembled and remove what remained of my shorts this morning.

  213. “You’re a riot, Alice.”

    Personally Rutherford I think the comment to which you refer so dismissively is thusly underrated. A number of truths there.

  214. I challenge anyone to go back and read the Tool’s™ comments immediately after the murder of 20 kindergarten age children (Dec 2012)

    You do mean purported murder(s). To this day there hasn’t been any proof presented that actual murders took place, let alone 20 kids. Your proof? I guess since Bo Bo said it was so and the media ran with it, it must be true. 😈 We all know the POTUS record for being truthful.

    No matter. This whole charade is close to being blown apart because of the due diligence of those in the know who won’t let it go. Proof includes memorial sites going live before the actual day of the event to a copy of the whole script provided for the entire exercise.

    But don’t take my word. Here’s a ‘Christian’ site’s perspective, though I doubt you’ll give any of it a read as it contradicts your stated opinion.

    http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/sandy-hook-massacre/

  215. Ugh, I swear I hit the tab button not post. For a bitch with tits I multitask for shit. Hey, lookit – I can rhyme!

    Anyway Tex I came across something similar recently on the FB page of another such college girl. Thank God she only has one more year to go.

    Fellas you (and me) are about to be blitzed with whole lot more of this for the next 2 years.

  216. And he made it. His sister too – which is even harder to accomplish if you can imagine.

    Very hard. I’m reading this book “Stop Helping Us” and the black author made it but his sister went full ghetto. Clearly the parental tactics with one child did not work with the other.

  217. It would be the height of irony for Rutherford’s daughter to grow up to be a firebreathing Conservative, while my own child offset’s Rutherford’s cute kid’s Conservative vote by becoming a flaming Leftist.

    That would bring me no small amount of pleasure.

  218. Personally Rutherford I think the comment to which you refer so dismissively is thusly underrated. A number of truths there.

    Truths or not I’ve never seen Tigre lay the sarcasm on so thick. It was amusing.

  219. @Rutherford – but it rhymes. Therefore it is the height of clever repartee.

    “…the black author made it but his sister went full ghetto. Clearly the parental tactics with one child did not work with the other.”

    Rod’s sister didn’t match his level of “success” depending on how you measure it – distance from the hood being one – but she did become a productive member of society. She does bougie nails.

    I’m not sure you can say the parental tactics didn’t work with the one child and not with the other (the author’s sister), and I’m positive you can’t say “clearly.”

    The obstacles are so different for boys and for girls.

  220. Hey Pfussy?

    Here’s your “ally in action.” You field a really strong team in the allegiance. Is this some of that brilliance and witticism you really, really appreciate?

    You do mean purported murder(s). To this day there hasn’t been any proof presented that actual murders took place, let alone 20 kids. Your proof?

  221. Rutherford – I think we likely share the same sceptics point of view, at least based on things you have written here. I stumbled across this, this evening, and thought it summarised that pretty well. It’s from a speech given by Crichton on “Environmentalism as a Religion:”

    Most of us have had some experience interacting with religious fundamentalists, and we understand that one of the problems with fundamentalists is that they have no perspective on themselves. They never recognize that their way of thinking is just one of many other possible ways of thinking, which may be equally useful or good. On the contrary, they believe their way is the right way, everyone else is wrong; they are in the business of salvation, and they want to help you to see things the right way. They want to help you be saved. They are totally rigid and totally uninterested in opposing points of view. In our modern complex world, fundamentalism is dangerous because of its rigidity and its imperviousness to other ideas.

    “No perspective on themselves.” Perfect.

    Thoughts?

  222. Scientists study centenarians to understand why they live to such an advanced age when most do not. Genetics and environment both play a role.

    Scientists should study individuals who overcome their harsh circumstances when most do not. A commonality we are missing must exist.

  223. My thought is that description fits the global warmists who have created a religion based on ignorance and improper assumptions. They want to take our freedom and our money while creating a privileged priesthood for themselves.

  224. “No perspective on themselves.” Perfect.

    We’re never sure who Pfesser is referring too as in everything else he posts characterized by vague, but if this isn’t a classic example of pot, meet kettle, there will never be one.

    And by the way, you need to take this issue up with your new pal, Poolman. Because if you’re right, you just charged him with a crime of ‘fundamentalism’ too. 😉 Perhaps you should pick your friends more carefully.

    Let me try to clear something up for you, Pfesser the bigot. Something you fail to understand in your own self-assured brilliance.

    See, I’m archaic. I believe in the Bible. Therefore, I believe what the Bible says.

    If I were simply using myself as a guideline to formulate my own set of principles and opinions like you invariably do based on my own formulated tenets of everything goes, then you would have a valid point that our we are no different in our ‘fundamental’ beliefs – being you’re as fundamentally and antithetically opposed to my religion as anyone I’ve ever read. And you can’t deny that because you demonstrate that daily here.

    However, the question is not in my rigidity, but Jesus’ rigidity, as I’m simply a disciple believing that what Christ was saying was true, that I should follow His lead (which I readily admit I woefully fail), and will remain true for all of eternity. If for instance Christ says, “No one comes to the Father but by Me…”, you can either choose to believe that is true, or believe that it is not true.

    So the question then becomes about this ‘fundamentalism’ you accuse, whom do you choose to believe and to whom should your charges of fundamentalism be directed? If you didn’t notice, that verse I provided is so fundamentally exclusive, it only leaves two options.

    Do you believe what Jesus said, or His billions of detractors, including one named Pfesser?

    But make no mistake. In a best case scenario for you, you’re a garden variety hypocrite making accusation of something you fundamentally invested in – Christian bigotry which dominates your choice of conversation.

    In the most likely scenario IMO, you’re both a pretentious hypocrite and a fool.

  225. Parker, I’m not sure fundamentalism is the result of too much introspection (naval gazing) as it is a lack of outrospection, to coin a phrase. I don’t think fundamentalists lack self-awareness. I think they’re just inoculated against outside views.

    The most absurd part of religion, to which even Tex, a mathematically sound logician must agree, is that every religious person prays to their one true God. That means somebody has to be wrong or deluded. So how do we discern which God is the real one?

    Aren’t we all pretty screwed if it turns out that Allah is really running the show?

  226. The obstacles are so different for boys and for girls.

    This is worth further examination. One differentiating obstacle is that impoverished girls can get pregnant, greatly complicating their already challenging lives.

    On the other hand I suspect girls in the ghetto don’t get the flack for academic excellence that boys do. To my mind this makes it easier for them to escape their circumstances than it would be for boys.

  227. So how do we discern which God is the real one?

    We compare and contrast, measuring the results against which is written. For instance, I feel reasonably sure I know the foundations of Judaism better than most here. I can say the same of reading enough of the Koran to recognize a cheap ripoff – an amalgamation of Torah without mercy and New Testament Messianic. It very obvious Mohammad’s intent – if you have an understanding of the blood feud of Isaac and Ishmael.

    And since Christians believe the New Testament the fulfilling of the Old Testament, Judaism and Christianity blend perfectly for the Christian. Even Jews believe in a messiah, though the remained convinced the prophetic unfulfilled. And then there thousands who call themselves Messianic Jews who are Christian. 🙂

    But before we compare and contrast, we must deduce something so intuitively obvious to people like me and so blinding to people like Pfesser.

    Where there is a creation, there is a Creator.

    Actually, most religions are not monotheistic, Tigre. However, most people fall under the ones that are monotheistic.

  228. One differentiating obstacle is that impoverished girls can get pregnant, greatly complicating their already challenging lives.

    On the other hand I suspect girls in the ghetto don’t get the flack for academic excellence that boys do. To my mind this makes it easier for them to escape their circumstances than it would be for boys.

    This is the stuff of a Rutherford whose writing I came to respect long ago and I assumed lost. I think that’s a very legitimate point.

  229. Don’t confuse my thoughts for that that drivel please.

    Actually, I think I was stunned that Rutherford had written something rational and well thought, so much so, I confused you two for a brief second. 😈

    A profound insult to you, a left-handed compliment of sorts to the blog host, I admit.

    I’ll try never to let that happen again, my younger friend. LOL

  230. “One differentiating obstacle is that impoverished girls can get pregnant, greatly complicating their already challenging lives.
    On the other hand I suspect girls in the ghetto don’t get the flack for academic excellence that boys do. To my mind this makes it easier for them to escape their circumstances than it would be for boys.”

    There’s an obstacle for boys from which girls are largely exempt that snatches him out of the home at a tender age and forces him onto the street and right into the belly of the beast. Boys are too often a source of some financial support for daddy-less homes. It starts at a young age and the money needs to come fast and easy. You guessed it – non-violent offenses pinned to a boy’s chest like a wayward son’s version of a scarlet letter.

    Breeders who abandon or give over their kids to satisfy themselves are human wrecking balls.

  231. We don’t know anything about God beyond our faith in what others have told us. What if they are all manifestations of the same God? We create Him in our own image. It has been so since the Neanderthals.

  232. Another obstacle possibly operating against boys is the stereotype that they are more dangerous than girls. Girls also suffer from too white perceptions. A news story reported on a girl who was beaten on a school bus.

    So far, we know about as much about the inner workings of a dysfunctional culture as we do the true nature of God.

  233. R, maybe the low expectations for her don’t actually make it easier for her to escape at all. While the high expectations for him – including being the man of the house at age 11 or 12 – don’t make it any easier for him.

  234. “It would be the height of irony for Rutherford’s daughter to grow up to be a firebreathing Conservative, while my own child offset’s Rutherford’s cute kid’s Conservative vote by becoming a flaming Leftist.”

    It would be even more ironic if she was married to the flaming leftist that moved in next door to you. You know…the one that would prompt you to sell your home to a meth addict or sex offender.

  235. “I stumbled across this, this evening, and thought it summarised that pretty well. It’s from a speech given by Crichton on “Environmentalism as a Religion:””

    Sure you did. What were you doing when you “stumbled across” it – reading over your old comments?

    “822. PFesser | July 8, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Rutherford, here you go:

    http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/2818/Crichton-Environmentalism-is-a-religion.aspx

    I find religion to be…” [blah blah blah] “but they for the most part don’t get what is happening.

    Thoughts?”

    Thoughts? Yeah. You’re a lying sack of shit bringing up religion for purposes of browbeating, out of the blue, referencing 10 year old hash that you “stumbled across this evening,” that you already posted here, that took me 10 seconds to unearth.

    That almost never happens.

    Hey Rutherford, thoughts?

  236. Muffy, ** GUFFAW **

    Girl, I am really glad your my friend. I think that makes about 1,000 on the kick ass meter. You ready to cry Uncle yet, Pfussy? Little woman makes you look the fool. Now you share something else with Tool™ in your new found friendship.

  237. It would be even more ironic if she was married to the flaming leftist that moved in next door to you. You know…the one that would prompt you to sell your home to a meth addict or sex offender.

    😈 I vaguely remember typing something like that, but I’ll damned if I remember why. I’ve typed so many over the top. Must have been my 79 year old, Woodstock neighbor. Or was it when Rutherford was going to live next to me?

    Here’s your moment to shine, teacher. 🙂 Jog my memory so I can soothe your profound Muslim sensitivities.

    And you’ll be glad to know, to Mohammad most merciful, I changed her photo sensor in her light post Monday to be good neighbor.

    Allahu Akbar, Imam Hucka.

  238. Hey Rutherford, thoughts?

    First Muffy I am impressed. Second did it really take you just a couple of minutes or do you have way too much time on your hands? And damn, you must have one helluva memory to even think to search out that 2 year old comment.

  239. Muffy, I vaguely recall Rutherford promising some introspective posts. I know he never did, so I must be imagining it. Any idea what I might be confusing it with? 😆

  240. Muffy illustrated exactly why that Pfessor guy irks me.

    That’s the big difference from, say, someone like Hucking. Yeah…sometimes I think Hucking is such a overly sensitive puss wad.

    And he’s definitely Hood winked by some college campus tripe. Almost word for word from what was bellowed at me the entire time I was there.

    But he keeps it real. The good, the bad….I’d break bread with him. (He might not feel the same)

    As for dick head fake Australian who hates us but keeps coming back….I kind of wish I was a fellow senior citizen. I’d take him up on his offer to dual.

  241. Pfesser Parker, I doubt the DTs would allow you to hold the pistol still while you sloshed a drink around with your left hand. You’ve been watching too many Tombstone movies and acting out the part.

    Have you ever MRI’d and diagnosed your own penis with a hole shot through and your balls blown off by your own pistol? I hope your safety is about silver dollar size with those trembling hands.

  242. “First Muffy I am impressed. Second did it really take you just a couple of minutes or do you have way too much time on your hands? And damn, you must have one helluva memory to even think to search out that 2 year old comment.”

    10 seconds to find it and 5 minutes to type and format the comment. With a toothbrush in my mouth and one eye on the clock as I was getting ready for work.

    I also found 2 more over Pfesser references to Crighton at Fat Grannies but hadn’t checked them out until now. In one of the FG comments he closes with, “Thoughts anyone?”

    Here he ends his comment both times (once as Pfesser and once as Parker) with “Thoughts?”

    COME ON NOW!

    Rutherford, I’d be astonished if you still thought Parker wasn’t Pfesser. He’s peeing on your leg man.

  243. Rutherford, I’d be astonished if you still thought Parker wasn’t Pfesser. He’s peeing on your leg man.

    Well, two things. 1. It seems an awful lot of trouble to keep up the charade this long. 2. The 10% of me that wishes Santa was real and Obama was an apolitical idealist wants Parker to be his own man.

    Parker, if you look at the blogs sidebar you’ll see a section that shows where recent visitors are surfing from. Since Australia virtually never appears there you ought to at least admit to the assembled that you’re not actually in Australia.

  244. Rutherford I sincerely thought he probably emailed you long ago with some phony baloney explanation.

    It’s preposterous.

    As far as keeping it up this long – what are his options?

    Let me ask you this – what would you do – what would you say – if you had indisputable proof that they are one and the same?

  245. “The 10% of me that wishes Santa was real and Obama was an apolitical idealist wants Parker to be his own man.”

    Why?

    The whole thing is pretty stupid.

  246. Over at the other site, I told old stories to irritate them and some weren’t especially complementary of me. I told them they bore a superficial resemblance to an actual event which drove my stories but they wouldn’t listen.

    Someone wrote that the internet is forever and that I was indicting myself. I replied that my stories are already public knowledge and that they are recorded in the Smithsonian Institute which they are. Someone answered that the Smithsonian has lowered its standards. This is irrelevant except that references to fat grannies revived my memory.

    Betsy’s page has some relevance for Rutherford’s latest comment. She quoted testimony before the Senate Banking Committee that the the 18 to 29 age group has only a 63% employment rate. Some of those people have never worked and have little hope of future employment. I guess that the statistics and prospects are even worse in black underclass communities because of racism and negative stereotypes which helps feed the culture.

    I believe that through their votes for liberal Democrats, Rutherford and people like him helped in a small way create the conditions we all want to change.

    Another memory of the site is when Lori and several others threatened to charge Tex with on line bullying. I replied that in the off chance that it worked, I would press counter charges because I had a more legitiment complaint. In the exchange which followed, I got to call Lori a fool, and she didn’t answer.

  247. James, I always admired your style. 🙂

    Does that Lori goon and goosestepper still post over there at Grannies? I’m just waiting to pounce on her useful idiotness when Abortion Barbie Wendy Davis gets her arse handed to here come November. I’ll be there to remind Goosestepping Lori of her fecklessness.

    Turn Lori Blue & Red at the same time…

  248. Thanks Tex. I admire your style too. I haven’t visited that site since January when some of them misunderstood a comment Hucklbe made.

    I might visit briefly after Abortion Barbie is defeated, especially if the Democrats lose more legislator.

    I enjoyed the reporters who made Decaprio and Kennedy squirm over their climate change double standards.

  249. Putting aside the dubious source (Pjmedia, guffaw) I’m really supposed to discount the opinion of 90% of the scientific community because of a gathering of some communists?

    Did it ever occur to you Tex that commies are co-opting a legit scientific issue?

  250. “I’m really supposed to discount the opinion of 90% of the scientific community because of a gathering of some communists?”

    How about even knowing what there opinions are or where the bogus 90% comes from, Rutherford? You don’t discount anything you liberal outlets tell you. Ever. You make excuses or claim it doesn’t matter after the fact.

    Do you realize how bogus and thoroughly discredited that 90% figure is?

    Kidding. Of course you don’t. You’ve only been pointed to it a half dozen times by someone other than the liberal machine. They could tell you 97% of scientists believe that swallowed chewing gum stays in your stomach for seven years or stepping on a crack really does break your mother’s back and you’d believe it and repeat it without ever looking behind it.

  251. I guess it’s that 10% of you that wishes Santa was real, Obama was an apolitical idealist, and Parker his own man again. 🙄

  252. I’m really supposed to discount the opinion of 90% of the scientific community because of a gathering of some communists?

    Yeah, I know, Rutherford. Victor Davis Hansen is an incredibly stupid man and Morning Joe with Mika is where the highly intellectual gather. You’ve demonstrated it to me personally again and again your superior intellect.

    And Obama inspired a generation and both The One and Al Gore were once awarded a Nobel Peace Prize by the same Global Warming intellects for his utter brilliance.

    But did it ever occur to you, that 90%+ is the biggest lie ever perpetrated on our incredibly stupid nation and keeps getting repeated over and over again without any proof?

    You know who else operated under that machination?

    Nazi Germany’s Ministry of Culture.

    However, being I know from personal experience you’re an incredibly intelligent man, I’ll take it under consideration. 😈

  253. I think the Obama Administration dug out someone they should’ve tapped years ago. The speech at the UN included a pretty cool clarifier if it’s embraced regards Syria. Basically he states how Syrias “civil war” is in fact a regional proxy war and all parties need to get to talking honestly. I found this near earth shattering compared to the ridiculous past of red lines etc.
    He also issued a general challenge to the UN to get in touch with its mission regards terrorism/extremism,Russia’s Ukraine operations and Ebola.
    Honestly found it perhaps the best Obama has tried to present.

  254. Edward Snowden has his purpose. Whether it is completely served or not, remains to be seen. I think much of it may have backfired, based on what has been discussed in alternate forums. For one, it gave credibility and renewed interest in Binney.

    Since it remains a main stream media event and did involve both China and Russia, rest assured there’s a script and intent.

    They always sow propaganda expecting a determined harvest of opinion.

  255. I find it interesting that Hansen is a registered democrat, per wikipedia. He is also considered a neoconservative, who has himself profited from 9/11 and the war on terror.

  256. We’ve had nice weather. Just like fall is supposed to bring. Cool at night and warming up during the day. We’ve had clear skies for that past few days, with no aerial spraying. Still, there remains a silvery-white tinge to the atmosphere from it all.

  257. I’m home working but almost ready to return to Omaha. Thanks for the report Poolman. After chilly weather in the fifties and sixties by day and our first frost a couple of days ago, We have had seventies and fifties with a few trees just beginning to turn. Harvest has begun in a few fields, but most are still green.

    This is relevant to Rutherford’s thread. Our son in California and our cousin in Florida had similar experiences. Their being from the Midwest and especially since they grew up on farms helped them get their jobs. Positive stereotypes may not have made the decisions final, but they helped.

    Just now, a KFAB Omaha talk show host said he knows a businessman in California who tries to hire people from the Midwest. An eligable job candidate from Detroit or Chicago might be hired, but probably in spite of a negative stereotype.

    I agree with alfie. Vietnam was also a proxy war.

    Yes, Edward Snowdon is becoming irrelevant. it is inevitable. He is running out of current material.

    Muffy, If I knew without a doubt they were the same, I wouldn’t share the information. I would have fun with it until I backed the person into a verbal corner.,.

    Rutherford, communists and others are co-opting the climate issue by using its lies as an issue. Climate is changing, but humans contribute far less than ten percent. Computer models designed to predict events are failing. For example, they cannot reconcile the shrinking Arctic sea ice with the largest recorded ice shield in Antarctca. The current pause is also a surprise no one has yet explained.

    This movement is merely a plot to take our freedom and our stuff. None of the solutions would work without sending billions of people into starvation and poverty. The architects would do fine as the Bolsevek leaders did.

    IF Hanson is a neoconservative he must have been a liberal at one time. Why do people like him change? Is the process similar to poor minority and white people who forsake their old cultures? The question is relevant to Rutherford’s comment.

  258. When Sweden occupied Finland “90%” of the scientific thought was that Finns were not true Europeans. They were Mongoloid mixtures. Undercurrents ran through the sixties and even now some people are not convinced that Finns are true Europeans with genetic differences caused by ten thousand years of isolation during the last ice age.

    Once the established science held that Clovis man was the first inhabitant of America. The issue is muddier now with theories even bring Maglolenian French to America thousands of years ago.

    The majority of scientists also believed that Neanderthals and our branch of humans did not share genes. Now, we know that Europeans and Asians carry genes of Neanderthals and their cousins. Neanderthals were also smarter than the established science told us.

    Do you get my point that by itself the 90% concensus of global change theory is by itself a meaningless tool to hoodwink the gullible and ignorant?

  259. Morning Joe with Mika is where the highly intellectual gather.

    Interestingly enough I turned off MoJo today right before they did a story on capitalism being a roadblock to stopping global warming.

    I’ll have to watch it and update you. 🙂

  260. Question for the room…. Has Edward Snowden become irrelevant? The answer is YES!

    First, you sound like John McLaughlin. Second, are you suggesting the ISIS/Corazon situation justifies the privacy invasions Snowden warned about?

  261. My take on my own question honestly failed to take James astute view,he’s out of fresh material and therefore but a mere pawn for Americas enemies. Spot on James!
    My position was based on that in no small part due to ISIL and other extremist elements every country that publicly bitch slapped us have increased their own spying operations and interactions with NSA. Conversations on NSA activities are now left in the fringe corners and NSA ops have reached a renewed level of acceptability and respectability and inevitable embrace.
    I don’t take a position on the right or wrong of this. That it has occurred forever with or without our knowing is to me about the same as cigarette packs having a warning label. “Oh now we know they’re bad” lol.
    Pools comment about (William) Binney is a good one in ways he probably didn’t intend as Binney’s history shows a number of interesting points.
    Whistle blowers get smacked,whacked and smeared no matter their credibility.
    Whistle blowers many times have a cloud over their blowing. Binney has professional and financial murkiness over his. He also has the possible enough is enough scenario working for him.

  262. Second, are you suggesting the ISIS/Corazon situation justifies the privacy invasions Snowden warned about?

    In answer to your question I say no;however, I say the global extremism at the level of AQ,ISIL et al is worth rigorous focused monitoring and the stripping of rights to protect the masses. England,Australia,France,Jordan and USA and the rest should not have to face their “citizens” returning from Terror U.

  263. Actually, no James. All you have demonstrated is that scientific knowledge changes as new investigative techniques are employed.

    Are you suggesting that the global warming theories of today are equivalent to the Earth centered solar system models of times gone by? If so, that’s a mighty audacious claim.

    Here’s the thing about global warming. It’s fine by me if we don’t call it “proven science” but I’m not sure we want to risk the consequences of it being true. You guys are quick to lecture me about liberal philosophy dooming my child’s future. Yet you yawn at the notion of an uninhabitable Earth dooming your child and grandchild’s future. Seems like cognitive dissonance to me.

  264. My position was based on that in no small part due to ISIL and other extremist elements every country that publicly bitch slapped us have increased their own spying operations and interactions with NSA.

    Speaking of which, I keep hearing we don’t have intel on the ground in Syria. Why the hell not? I thought we had spies everywhere, especially where there might be threats.

  265. I would put it to you that we have a considerable amount of Intel for Iraq and Syria and most Americans would be upset over the sources.
    Kurds,Iranians,and Assad operatives. All this is denied and there are statements from Moscow,Damascus and Tehran stridently staing there is no cooperation. Well 2 out of 3 are talking it of their ass. Syrian state media (SANA) reports how accurate targeting was on ISIL and Al Nusra locations. How did we swing that?

  266. Also,I get how all the talk is about destroying and decimating and how the air strikes alone crowd blabber it can’t work. The. Truth is this campaign isn’t about that at least not directly this is all about tipping the scales and hoping a new and positive normalcy can be achieved. This is more like helping the Northern Alliance in the early days of Afghanistan operations. Iraq backs my theory. We used air strikes to weaken the forces that took the dam allowing the local feet to take it back. In Syria I think the hope is ISIL and others will get smacked around enough that someone even Assad can re establish control and things can move from there.
    Serious that is the handwriting I see on the wall.

  267. “Parker, if you look at the blogs sidebar you’ll see a section that shows where recent visitors are surfing from. Since Australia virtually never appears there you ought to at least admit to the assembled that you’re not actually in Australia.”

    First of all, why does it matter? If it bothers you, forget Australia. In point of fact, though, you’re behind the times, R. The software doesn’t work that way. After a communiqué bounces through multiple randomly-located intermediate servers, the exit server’s location can be anywhere, and that location is not known to anyone in advance. Most are actually in US. Feeds like your sidebar, Feedjit, are precisely why it was developed. Ditto for time-shifting.

    OK – just to please you, Rutherford – one admission, or at least admonition: Google, Mr. Clit, is not always your friend. To the wise, that phrase will have meaning. It is very flattering, however, to be the object of such an obsession. (Hmmm … maybe the female impersonator Clit’s clit works, after all. Or maybe he’s gay. Oh, no – couldn’t be – that would be a sin …

    On to more pressing things: Rutherford, it seems that your “Muslim” president is turning into a bit of an attack dog – upon Muslims, no less. So how does your peanut gallery square that aggressiveness with the no-cojones theory of Barack Obama?

  268. Pfesser Parker…

    Unless you’re using a Proxy Server, which you’ve shown me no intellectual ability in the ways of technology and will most likely have no idea what I’m talking about until you Google it, what you just stated was pretty much baloney.

    It matters not as everyone but Rutherford knew who you were first post. Rutherford is obviously clueless about a great many things as attested to by him believing Obama is still solid.

    I could care less what name you choose to use as we’ve all had a go at anonymity layered upon anonymity.

  269. Rutherford, how does it feel to see George Bush most validated on the floor by a feckless stooge and useful idiot on the U.N. floor today? I’m sure Dubya will never receive so much as a reach around from any of you clueless dumb clucks, much less an apology, badmouthed and used as excuse by a coward and fool from Chicago no more than 12 months ago.

    For a good laugh, compare and contrast Obama’s speech last year to this – comedy gold if the results weren’t so tragic. Do you have any idea how perfectly lame this charlatan for President now looks, or are you deep enough to contemplate that simple fact?

    Of course, me being cynical, I know why we are now bombing Syria – for the same reasons the idiot Obama in his Cairo #2 speech today thought enough to invoke Ferguson, MO. 🙄 Polls and November elections.

    This man is so feckless and inadequate, so in over his head, anyone of sound mind would be embarrassed to admit they voted for this Stooge.

    Anyone who voted for him twice is simply stupid.

  270. Honestly found it perhaps the best Obama has tried to present.

    Alfie I only saw a small snippet but it looked to me like Obama was finally telling these countries “fuck multiculturism” there is some behavior for which culture is no excuse. Looks like he really got in the face of these Muslim countries, a far cry from the Cairo speech and the so-called apology tour.

  271. Tex there is also the possibility that Obama, like some of the rest of us, changed his mind about things when he got up close and personal. Seeing Americans get decapitated may have a way of clarifying your world view.

    Parker, my reply to Alfie applies to you as well. I think Obama may have finally had his fill of crazy Muslims.

  272. Tex there is also the possibility that Obama, like some of the rest of us, changed his mind about things when he got up close and personal.

    To clarify in simpler terms, you and Obama didn’t know what the hell you were talking about in 2003-2013, and reality 2014 gave you a big dose of how profoundly ignorant you both always were.

  273. BTW as I reread this piece I wrote it strikes me as one of the worst essays I have ever produced on this blog. I was so invested in what was in my HEAD that I failed to see how poorly it translated on paper. Only James, God bless him, pulled my core idea out from under what reads like an anti-Rand essay.

    Shit, from the title on down, what was meant to be an attack on black low expectations got obscured by making Rand the center of the piece.

    Call it ego, but I usually enjoy reading my own stuff. This time I missed the mark by a long shot. 😦

  274. I heard a man on Megyn Kelly tonight making the case that Obama isn’t helping moderate Muslims who are trying to speak out against Radical Islam.

  275. @R – I know you only saw a snippet.

    PS…I read this below to mean you know and buy the rationalization for it. Kind of pathetic.

    “Well, two things. 1. It seems an awful lot of trouble to keep up the charade this long. 2. The 10% of me that wishes Santa was real and Obama was an apolitical idealist wants Parker to be his own man. “

  276. PS…I read this below to mean you know and buy the rationalization for it. Kind of pathetic.

    Found that a bit cryptic. In answer to your question about how I’d feel about air-tight proof, I’d chuckle, shake my head at how juvenile the masquerade is, and move on. But to give you some perspective, this is at least the third time on this blog that I’ve heard the “(s)he is really person x” meme. And it’s almost always done to shoot down the credibility of the commenter. So I tend to resist these arguments about impersonation.

    As for Megyn Kelly’s guest, I’d be curious to know where he’s coming from. Was he suggesting Obama is alienating the Muslim partners he needs right now?

  277. One of my biggest disappointments was when Rabbit impersonated a black conservative here. I genuinely wanted that demographic in the mix here. As far as I know I’m the only black here and I don’t even count if you ask Tigre.

  278. @#369 – re: Megyn’s guest. I looked briefly for a clip but nothing’s up yet. I’ll put up a link later or tomorrow – I wish I could remember his name.

    No, O’s not alienating partners. It’s quite the PC war actually.

    I took the guest’s meaning to be that Obama didn’t know what he was talking about re: Islam. this guest is one of two or three Muslim guys that come on her show try and keep it real without compromising or abandoning their faith. It sounds like a tough road he walks. That’s nothing like what Obama does.

    Re: cryptic – your previous reply and this one tell me that you know Pfesser is Pfarker and don’t really care. Which is an acceptable end to the conversation.

  279. From about a week ago – pretty similar to the message tonight.

    Devout Muslim and Founder and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser was a guest on The Kelly Files on Fox News Friday where he had a strong message for President Obama and other representatives of his administration. John Kerry, Jeh Johnson, Josh Earnest, and Chuck Hagel have all repeated the line that “the Islamic State is neither Islamic nor a state.” Dr. Jasser does not agree with their assessment:

    “Please, if anybody in the administration is listening, stop telling us Muslims what is Islamic. I mean, so he’s saying this is compounding the sin? How about when he shakes and hugs the king of Saudi Arabia for their being the custodians of the Holy Mosque and yet they have imprisoned apostates, liberals Muslims. They’re a misogynistic nation that treats women as third class citizens. Or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, or the Islamic Republic of Iran. Hundreds of millions of Muslims running governments all over the world that line their prisons and torture Christians and Jews and Muslims, and that’s Islamic? And ISIS sort of came out of thin air? ISIS is a by-product of those ideologies. And to deny it and dismiss it, they’re trying to bury us Reformers from having a seat at the table.”

  280. I also saw an amusing back and forth of the segment in the speech where Obama was channeling Bush (both their ties a matching hue of blue.) Then some inserts of Obama running for president as the antithesis of Bush, and Obama’s speech last year.

  281. Actually, yes, Rutherford. Each one of the examples I cited was fueled by politics. When contrary evidence appeared, the hierarchy felt threatened and doubled down to quell the up starts. Scientific inquiry was less important than reputations and careers.

    Several new studies have been cited in the Daily Telegraph and LA Times to show that warming of the Pacific Ocean is not the result of human activity. It was caused by lighter winds over the ocean. As the average wind has strengthened, the temperatures has stabilized.

    Yes, our climate is changing as it has for eternity. We are contributing to it, but our share of the operation is minimal at best. In simple terms, our contribution to changes is so small, we can’t stop them no matter what we do. Moreover, we don’t even understand what or why the changes happen.

    Al Gore and others said the science was settled to sell books and to win grants. The computer models and ground truth show they either didn’t know what they were talking about, or they were lying, Now, more studies such as the one I mentioned which question the orthodoxy are appearing.

    Those people don’t care about the climate, If they did, they wouldn’t be jetting across the world or live in energy consuming mansions. They wouldn’t leave tons of trash after their demonstrations. They, would like most of the Tea Party, clean up after themselves. Obama is a good example. He takes unnecessary trips and even let his dog ride separately with no regard for the energy consequences,

    We live in an interglacial age with the prospect of another ice age in our future. Nothing we can do will stop our future weather and climate. Rather than destroy capitalism as many of the climate change protesters want, we need to use capitalistic incentives to find the answers we need.

    Obama’s voodoo science would consign us to lives of poverty and totalitarian controls while the climate did what it wanted, whether it was ice or an uninhabital hot house.

    So, actually, yes.

  282. Thanks, alfie. I respect your opinions even when I disagree.

    Hot Air agrees that Obama said many of the right things in his UN speech. However, Ed Morrissey found some mistakes. Obama’s condemning Israel for defending itself and discussion of Ferguson, Mo before investigations are completed didn’t belong in the speech. Nixon got himself into minor trouble when he commented on a still undecided legal case. Obama should have known better. These are minor errors. However,…

    More importantly, Obama praised a cleric who had advocated killing American soldiers.

    Obama has said there is nothing so beautiful as the call to prayer. He has a soft spot in his heart for Muslims because of his training and upbringing. Calling ISIS non-Muslim is predictable.

  283. Muffy, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser has been around for a while, and probably the only Muslim I’ve heard that I trust that hasn’t left Islam for Christianity or quit believing altogether like Hirsi Ali.

    I believe Jasser is still a practicing medical doctor. A shame there aren’t millions more Muslims like him speaking out.

  284. James, the flaws in the uninitiated warmists doesn’t even come close to the flaws in the science/data collection/models upon which it is all based. The mindless “97% of scientists agree” bullshit is all the proof you need to know about whether someone has a scintilla of the “science” they claim to be irrefutable — not to mention the so-called solutions.

    Without Google, Rutherford couldn’t provide the names of 2 scientists that support or oppose the warmism.

    Well, he could name himself. He can see from his window that the weather is just plain weird and therefore must be the product of global warming. Fuck the historical weather stats. that disprove what he says, by golly he sees it and 97% of scientists agree. Case close. 🙄

  285. Obama has said there is nothing so beautiful as the call to prayer. He has a soft spot in his heart for Muslims because of his training and upbringing. Calling ISIS non-Muslim is predictable.
    That’s extremely cynical and disingenuous comment. It reeks of pure right wing Obama hate as opposed to reasoned logical review of actual events. I am a little bit shocked and hoping this is a case of internet thread dialog shortcomings.

  286. Tex I think there are more Muslims the world over who in daily life sound more like Jasser than we will ever know because it won’t be shown.
    The daily lives of Muslims under Islam and the governments that use it as a tool are varied. A case could be made that depending on the country even a strict Islamic interpretation works well. Reform of Islam isn’t nearly as important as reform of the governments that use it and the peoples ignorance to be the way they are.

  287. Re: cryptic – your previous reply and this one tell me that you know Pfesser is Pfarker and don’t really care. Which is an acceptable end to the conversation.

    Not that I’m against ending this particular conversation but I’m not 100% sure they are one and the same. I have certainly received no behind the scenes confirmation. I pretty much believe PF was who he said he was. Parker’s bio is more fuzzy. But I swear based on a few of his comments, I was beginning to think Gorilla really works behind the counter at Kwik-e-mart.

    I think it was Tex who used the phrase anonymity layered upon anonymity. That the standard MO for the “series of tubes” as my late great hero Ted Stevens used to call it.

  288. Muffy, based on your excerpt I would agree with Jasser but I think Obama would also. Jasser is not leader of the free world and he is at greater liberty to call a spade a spade than Obama is. I think, given his position, Obama was pretty damn frank, more than he has ever been before.

  289. Alfie I fear our friend James harbors a bit of the “Obama is a secret Muslim” bug in him. It goes along with his assertion that O is a card carrying socialist.

    If Obama is a secret anything, methinks he is a secret atheist.

  290. The coverage I’m watching says Holder is one of the longest serving AG’s and this resignation was in the works for some time. Not the red meat for Republicans that I originally thought it was.

  291. “All I can say Tigre is every time you write about digging yourself out of 2 feet of snow in Hotlanta, I will laugh my ass off.”

    And the fact that you think Atlanta is Florida, makes me laugh my ass off.

    p.s. the fact that you didn’t get DR’s impersonation nor Pfucker’s is bizarre. if what you say is not ingenuous, you are one thick mo-fo.

  292. My gullibility has deeper psychological roots. One of my greatest social nightmares is the man who is telling the truth and no one believes him. I can think of few things so tortuous.

  293. “I think, given his position, Obama was pretty damn frank, more than he has ever been before.”

    That’s an extremely low standard for candor, but putting that aside for a minute – did you ever get around to hearing the speech?

  294. “A shame there aren’t millions more Muslims like him speaking out.”

    The reason for this is one of the most interesting discussions we could ever hope to have around here but it would require a willingness to go deep and to keep it real. As a group, we’re unequal to the task.

  295. Words and deeds tell us a lot.

    My comment relates to Rutherford’s latest thread. Obama was raised with a cordial familiarity with Islam. He attended a school which taught the religion for several years. Relatives are Muslims.

    He was imprinted with the attitude that Islam is not an alien religion as most of us are at a young age. We are not inoculated with the concept that it is evil, but Islam is for most of us unfamiliar. It is easier for us to think poorly of Islam when faced with the news of their extremism than a religion with which we are familiar or which has a reputation for pacifism.

    This is another example of how difficult it is to overcome traits of the cultures to which we were born. My observation tells me Obama still has a soft spot in his heart for Islam just our children feel a sentimental attachment toward farming which unless you lived on a farm you don’t share.

    I don’t think Obama is a Muslim. He could be an Wican or atheist for all I care. I believe his words and deeds reveal a soft spot in his heart for Islam. That is much different than practicing the religion.

    You can try, but I don’t think you can prove me wrong. It is too subjective.

  296. Alfie at #382 – “Reform of Islam isn’t nearly as important as reform of the governments that use it and the peoples ignorance to be the way they are.”

    Food for thought. Like a whole plate full.

  297. Obama was by some accounts, a card carrying socialist in Illinois. He worked closely with the New Party, and a membership list showed his name on it. Another didn’t, but his association with the party is documented. Some observers noted that the New Party was relaxed about membership lists.

    A long time ago,Rutherford, I told you, and you answered it was worth looking at. You never responded, so I assumed you had found the information I did.

    Words and deeds tell us even more and would reveal Obama as a socialist even if the New Party hadn’t existed. Obama, by his upbringing was exposed to socialism and racial victimization. His policies, including the billions spent to bail out the economy adhere to socialistic theory.

    Obama, because of his early training would find it difficult to overcome his early training, so his economic values are arguably connected to the culture Rutherford in this thread wants fixed.

    I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, though he has a natural affection for the religion, and I think Obama is partial to European socialism.

    Once again, I invite you to prove me wrong.

  298. “Like Poolman?”

    Quite. I’m not sure discernment operates at full functionality when it’s applied in the abstract all the time, but I don’t think it can be.

  299. Muffy, that of course was a joke. (I think she’s in prison — but the fact that you paused says something).

    October Surprise was not a joke. The timing makes that too obvious.

    Sandra Fluke? 😆

  300. Tex I think there are more Muslims the world over who in daily life sound more like Jasser than we will ever know because it won’t be shown.

    I’m sure you are right, Alfie.

    But here’s the problem Why are they not yelling? If the Islamic faith is truly a religion of peace, I need the proof because there’s no historical aspect to assure us, there’s no predominately Muslim country to assure us, and there is no loud voice within any of these countries to assure us.

    So there can only be one of two conclusions in my book. Either the claim that t the Islamic faith is peaceful at heart is bogus, or the faithful of the faith are rank cowards, expecting infidels to fight the war they themselves should be fighting.

    Because I can assure if the time comes and I’m given a choice between my faith being torn apart by extremists who kill in the name of the faith, or remaining silent to keep my life, I will forfeit mine to save the true faith, if necessary. And I sure won’t remain silent.

    Faith above all else is what is most important to the true believer. Even more important than life itself. There are some things worth dying for.

    If you ask me, Sharia is the true Muslim faith and the people who best represent Mohammad are the extremists. And I believe I can back that up by taking both the historical account, what is said, and what is done.

    Remember – this is the faith that brought us the words, “We love death more than life itself.”

  301. Because I can assure if the time comes and I’m given a choice between my faith being torn apart by extremists who kill in the name of the faith, or remaining silent to keep my life, I will forfeit mine to save the true faith, if necessary. And I sure won’t remain silent.

    Tex
    I think you swing the hammer at the correct nail and all that but you stand in an international minority of humanity.
    I think Muslims for a lack of a more extensive explanation are similar to the age old saying “The kings rule ends at the castle gates”. Every day reality makes a mockery of most religions and I don’t mean that in a malicious way.

  302. “Every day reality makes a mockery of most religions and I don’t mean that in a malicious way.”

    Yet the opposite is true too — with the exception of one that I know of.

  303. ISIS What It Is

    U.S. warplanes are bombing Syria. Here’s how this is going to play out:

    -The American right—who staunchly opposed action in Syria a year ago, then more or less called the President a coward for not fighting ISIS—will suddenly clamor for the moral high ground over bombing a nation that has not yet attacked us (see: 2003 Iraq War, George W. Bush).

    -The American left—whose heart bleeds for every humanitarian crisis on the planet and shouts, “why won’t we DO something?”—will then craft sternly worded blog posts about how war isn’t the answer, blaming the whole operation on the military-industrial complex.

    -The American political establishment—rather than developing an effective long-term doctrine to deal with what will potentially be an ongoing ideological conflict on a global scale—will check the barometer from time to time via opinion polls and focus groups, to see which of the previous two groups is yelling the loudest… and then pander to them.

    -The American people will stock up on duct tape and water, wave the flag and shout “USA! USA!! USA!!!”… until the next American casualty. Then we’ll change the channel, because the game is on. Some (not many) might even read this post, fall in line with their default political agenda and lob scripted rhetoric back and forth until the thread devolves into inane sniping. Others will occasionally chuckle when Jon Stewart “totally dismantles” the American socio-political system, and maybe even post it to their Facebook page—but they won’t vote.

    -The American allies will send some token troops and support the fight any way they can—that is, until their own political establishments check the barometer from time to time via opinion polls and focus groups, to see who is yelling the loudest… and then pander to them. They’ll eventually try to paint the conflict as some Western reinstitution of the Crusades, despite the overwhelming Muslim-on-Muslim atrocities. Meanwhile the various religious sects that populate the area will continue to perpetuate violence in the name of vengeance—anyone who tries to convince others to rise above such a cycle will be branded a coward, traitor or infidel and likely die for it.

    -The American military will do what is asked of them and do it well. They will disrupt ISIS, undermine their current network and send them back into the shadows—that is, until the Rules of Engagement become so increasingly convoluted thanks to a lack of resolve from the American political establishment that they have no ability to wage the war we once asked them to fight. They’ll have no objective and no exit strategy—they will simply occupy territory until their enemy returns to the hit-and-run tactics of a protracted guerrilla campaign, and then they’ll leave.

    -The American enemy will grow, evolve, transform and calculate. They’ll see our lack of resolve, solicit support from the feeble-minded or profit-driven—then prey on our inability to stand united in the face of a sustained conflict and continue to throw jabs.

    How will we respond to those jabs? Scroll back to the top…

    http://chrishalleron.com/2014/09/23/isis-what-it-is/?fb_action_ids=10152301537651456%2C10202644947824215&fb_action_types=og.likes

  304. Anyone traveling to Holland?

    “KLM’s new lost and found program is a lesson in perverse incentives.

    On one hand, owners who leave property behind risk losing it permanently. Then again, since lost items stand to be returned via Beagle, it may be tempting to start “accidentally” forgetting more things on the plane.

    The Dutch airline has started using an adorable, vest-wearing dog to return lost property, sending him down the concourse to literally sniff out rightful owners after they’ve disembarked at Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport.”…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/23/klm-lost-and-found-dog-beagle-video_n_5870144.html

  305. You know, Lurker. That cynicism you posted contains a great deal of merit, especially turning the channel. Except the Jon Stewart part.

    Stewart is a rank coward and pompous ass. He and Colbert would be firsts on my list to deplane from about 20 feet right in the middle of a pack of ISIS butchers to see how they fare.

    If there’s were justice, it would be Stewart whose head ISIS was holding. And maybe it will come to that. 😈

  306. Every day reality makes a mockery of most religions and I don’t mean that in a malicious way.

    I’d be curious your answer too, Alfie. Though I admit, there’s some TV evangelist types that need an introduction to ISIS too and are a disgrace (but they don’t kill; just steal), I just dropped off a more elderly woman in good health but can’t drive to work ‘Meals on Wheels’ this morning.

    I think in comparison to other religious, mine is still a rose amongst the thorns.

    And if you take a look around the world at the ‘unbelievers’ if that’s not mockery, North Korea, Russia and Communist China come to mind.

    Looks to me like all of mankind could use a savior. 😉

  307. I think my comment stands pretty clear and in fuller context is even more so.

    “…The kings rule ends at the castle gates”. Every day reality makes a mockery of most religions and I don’t mean that in a malicious way.

    No matter the faith (with a focus on Abrahamics here) you can’t deny there are tons of adherents** who bow their head on Friday,Saturday or Sunday only to break the very rules they felt burning in their chests hours later.

    ** Not to be a tosser but my word choice here is extremely intentional

  308. True, Alfie. Very true. Me included if that is your point. One of the worst. If you’re looking to me for perfection, you’ve most definitely come to the wrong place.

    But is it mockery or fate? And isn’t that the point of the Abrahamic religions? Fallible man living in a fallen world, dependent upon an infallible God?

    I think they call it sin and the need for redemption. 🙂

    But two of those three are instructed to not make blood sport, and in fact told to “choose life.”

    How many people have you met than can take issue with The Sermon on the Mount?

  309. Tex please know I aimed nothing at you personally here other than honestly thinking of you a little when I stressed the “not in a malicious way”. I’m not here to rattle people passions.
    That said I think there is a line that sinners and those that observe them are more a mockery to faiths than a component of the belief. I would also agree with your previously stated point that some of the most egregious tarnishes of faith are those who hold themselves up as the most pious. Lastly ALL of the Abrahamics allow for death,war etc. and all demand better of its followers.** (again very intentional word choice)
    In my eyes someone can be a follower and still have failings. Adherents have some of the knowledge but none of the will to buy into more than they want for themselves.

  310. Lets be clear about something….ISIL scumbag grabs a Muslim and takes him out in a field. He and his fellow scumbags chant verses and praise Allah for what they’re about to do. Meanwhile the poor guy bound and on his knees is saying the prayers he learned in the mosque all his life. Of the two entities one of them is actually following Islam and one is adhering to their take.

  311. Kansas is not the locale for the Red State Blue State econ battle. No diss for Kansas but I don’t think it offers the mix either model needs to make a go of it.

  312. “One of my biggest disappointments was when Rabbit impersonated a black conservative” -R

    R, for what its worth, I never tried to deceive you on that. I thought it was obvious satire from the start. Everyone was in on the lame joke. I couldn’t believe you were that dumb and at the time made me realize that I may very well be dealing with the kind of sentient being I’m duty bound to protect. Toddlers. Old ladies. Puppies. Rutherford.

    Pfessy does the same thing and it’s mildly annoying. So…in that regard boo to me.

    You guys are kidding about Holder’s replacement right?

  313. Not to be coy, but “you first.”

    I saw that coming. I was gonna pipe in but thought I’d give the tiger a chance to defend his remark. Pffft.

    Alfie, he can’t “expand” cos it was a shallow bigoted remark. There are Muslims who make Islam praiseworthy and those who make a mockery of it. We just see so many more of the latter.

    You’ll get an “expansive” answer out of Tigre if you ask a good legal question that interests him. Otherwise his specialty is snark. As evidence, just look for his response to this comment.

  314. Sorry Tex you could not be more wrong about Stewart. He leans left but will fire on his own when the occasion calls for it.

    I think I may have found the weak link in your love of the Jewish people — they just can’t be liberal Jews. 🙂

  315. How many people have you met than can take issue with The Sermon on the Mount?

    Cherry picking just like I could reach into the Old Testament and with enough time and desire find some really savage shit. I’m guessing the same could be said of the New. Every hateful Christian preacher uses scripture to buttress his rhetoric. Jerry hate-the-gays Falwell comes to mind.

  316. alfie, you wouldn’t offend me if you responded.

    Lurker, your earlier comment reminded me of “Where Have all the Flowers Gone?”

  317. I don’t remember whom, but someone wrote that about a tenth of Muslims are potentially dangerous extremists. If the world has a billion Muslims we face about a hundred million extremists.

  318. Bigoted? 🙄 I can’t wait for the deep analysis from Rutherford on the topic Alfie invited. I know it’ll be good and plenty bigoted but not recognized by him to be such, particularly since he doesn’t seem to know the meaning of the term.

    _____________

    “Every day reality makes a mockery of most religions and I don’t mean that in a malicious way.”

    Yet the opposite is true too — with the exception of one that I know of.”

    Your point was what I thought and therefore I wondered where the confusion lies in my response.

    Every day reality also affirms most religions through good works, charity, community etc. in conspicuous and inconspicuous ways. Look at the response to common disasters from many religious groups worldwide in the name and in furtherance of their faiths, and for those outside of their faith. How about Islamists?

    That’s all. Nothing heavy. Merely a response to what you said, not meant in a malicious way.

  319. “Cherry picking just like I could reach into the Old Testament and with enough time and desire find some really savage shit. I’m guessing the same could be said of the New. Every hateful Christian preacher uses scripture to buttress his rhetoric. Jerry hate-the-gays Falwell comes to mind.”

    Killer example of radical Christianity. The equivalent of Ward Churchill.

  320. Our real enemy is much more stealth. Look to the psychopaths in control of everything that makes up our daily life. Those with their hands in our food and water and air supplies. Those spending our grandchildren’s futures on war and death. The very same ones with the nukes. They filled our world with their radioactive poison. Look at America. Halloween is bigger than Christmas.

    I think at least 10 percent of all Abrahamic faiths have potentially dangerous radicals. It doesn’t take much to incite murder and varying other atrocities among them.

    Organized religion is government. There is little difference. For a religion to have national acceptance, there is often a partnership between those powers. It’s all about power and control. And power corrupts…

    We are outraged over a few [supposed] beheadings, when Saudi Arabia has performed over 50 of them this year alone, all in the public square. These were supposed sharia offences.

    Our bombing should have maybe been there, if it had anything to do with a humanitarian purpose, or if retaliation for crimes against Americans. It’s been proved the funding of isis goes through them. Of course if they ever reveal the 28 pages of the joint inquiry into 9/11, we might decide to toast them, in spite of our oil relationship. We did allow them to fly out of our mainland when all other flights were grounded. As a reminder, there were a lot of bin Ladens on those flights. And supposed 15 hijackers were Saudis.

  321. Rutherford, you’re frankly grotesque in your stupidity and bigotry – that part of you I absolutely loathe. You’ve devolved the last few years into Densico II for all practical purposes. Maybe you always were and I mistakenly gave you far more credit than you deserved.

    Cherry picking? Half the time you don’t even comprehend the nature of the discussion at hand and your damn insult isn’t even relevant. Like this time. You figure it out.

    I’m way past the point of trying to explain. I’ve concluded I’m speaking to an immature brat who was probably still having his butt wiped at the age of 16.

    P.S. Jon Stewart is as much Jew as Obama is Christian.

  322. I kinda knew when I read Rutherford’s “quips” that the discussion was pretty much over with. If it’s just about scoring points it isn’t worth it.

    You guys had something going for a while.

  323. Tigre do you REALLY believe that Muslims do not see charitable works as part of their creed? You live in a predominantly Christian country so the charitable works of Christians should be obvious to you. Can you really claim sufficient knowledge of Islam to be aware of its charity record?

  324. Organized religion is government. There is little difference.

    Tex considers me a religious bigot but Poolman has struck upon my problem. Honest to goodness I respect any mans personal relationship with his God. It is when they gather in His name that I become wary.

  325. I kinda knew when I read Rutherford’s “quips” that the discussion was pretty much over with. If it’s just about scoring points it isn’t worth it.

    First WTF are you talking about? Second point me to your profound contribution oh deeeep one.

    Your comments on the plight of young boys and girls in the hood showed your humanity. Otherwise you’re pretty careful about letting us get inside. An honest discussion involves taking risks and I don’t think YOU’RE up to the task.

  326. “Tigre do you REALLY believe that Muslims do not see charitable works as part of their creed? You live in a predominantly Christian country so the charitable works of Christians should be obvious to you. Can you really claim sufficient knowledge of Islam to be aware of its charity record?”

    I’m sorry you’re having trouble following along Rutherford. I’d say re-read the exchange but that would imply that you read it at least once. Your bigotry is very ironically getting in the way.

    If you want to take a stab at the conversation, start with what Alfie’s point.

    As for your comment, feel free to provide examples. Telling me “you wouldn’t know” is worthless.

  327. If you want to take a stab at the conversation, start with what Alfie’s point.

    As for your comment, feel free to provide examples. Telling me “you wouldn’t know” is worthless.

    I interpreted Alfie’s comment to mean that every religion has followers who glorify their religion and those who cast shame upon it. I interpreted your response to say that Islam is a noticeable exception, only casting shame. So first if I got that wrong, please correct me.

    I don’t claim expertise on Islam, only the common sense to know that a centuries old religion with billions of followers that has existed side by side with Judaism and Christianity cannot be pure evil. Common sense dictates that Islam encompasses charitable works. I have no more evidence at my fingertips to back my claim than you have at yours.

  328. Quit mischaracterizing what I said. It gets tired.

    Ramadan is proof of the charitable tenet — but charity to non-Muslims? No. Muslims are told that non-believers are the “vilest of animals” and commanded to be ruthless toward them:

    Quran (8:55) – “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve”

    Quran (28:86) – “Never be a helper to the unbelievers.”

    Quran (48:29) – Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.

    The Islamic community ain’t too keen on disaster relief either, even for Muslim victims. This is because the Quran provides that the disasters are a punishment from Allah.

    Now I have to prove a negative? Cut the shit.

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