Damn! Another Thug!

We were told that down in Florida an angelic black child with only candy and iced tea had been gunned down by a crazy lilly white vigilante who was not arrested. Photos of the child made him look between 10 and 13. Following my liberal instincts I joined the chorus of the outraged.

Then came the drip drip drip of truth. The shooter was not lilly white. He was part Hispanic so the “racial angle” was immediately compromised. Then we learned the little angel was not so little and was far from an angel. In deep trouble at school, his Twitter handle was NoLimitNigga. He was essentially a thug. The possibility that he beat his shooter in a very fear inducing way became quite believable.

Trayvon Martin taught me to hold my fire on these racial injustice stories. And so it went this week when the unarmed “gentle giant” Michael Brown was shot and killed by a white cop in Ferguson, Missouri. This time I waited to chime in. This time, thanks to an unwise move by the Ferguson chief of police, we didn’t get the drip drip drip. This time we got video of the gentle giant robbing a convenience store and assaulting one of its employees mere minutes before his fatal encounter with police.

Alas, like Trayvon before him, Brown was a thug and if we believe our own eyes, a more intimidating thug than Trayvon was.

Was the video prejudicial? Of course it was. Did its release disrespect the parents of the dead young man? Yes, sadly it did. But the video served a far more noble purpose. It allows us to get REAL about this young man who has captured the sympathy of so many.

When Fox News asked Jesse Jackson why we never see him decrying rampant black on black crime in Chicago but always see him (and Al Sharpton) in places like Ferguson, his answer was telling. He said he would be soon attending a funeral in Chicago. You see, for black on black inner city stuff, we console the victim’s family and leave it at that. We don’t scream “justice” for the victim and focus on the black thug who killed him. After all, it’s whitey’s fault that our children kill each other right?

I’m sick and tired of it. I’m sick and tired of NEVER hearing the words “responsibility” or “accountability” when discussing black behavior (unless it’s Bill Cosby). I’m sick and tired of being sold a bill of goods about polite good black boys getting imprisoned wrongly or worse shot to death. We ALL know a good kid when we see one, regardless of race. So let’s stop this charade that properly behaved kids are getting gunned down on a regular basis.

But you say it’s not fair that black thugs get treated worse than white thugs. Let’s assume that is true. My momma told me when I was a kid that it was GOOD to be black because you had to hold yourself to a higher standard. I submit nearly every successful black has had someone in their life who told them that. Think how sick the culture must be that our chief complaint is we can’t get away with crime like white folks do.

Contrary to what the liberal media are telling you, there is no war on young black men. There is a war on young black thugs. We need to wake up and demand better from our children.

Once and for all, more than 100 years after the end of slavery, white people are NOT going to save us. We need to save ourselves.

And one more thing. Notice how much more anger and violence was stoked by the Brown shooting vs the wrongful death of Eric Garner on Staten Island, a black man choked to death by a cop over a truly frivolous crime. DAMN! Black folk don’t even know who their true martyrs are.

Next time, talk to me when a truly sweet polite law abiding black kid gets killed by THE MAN. Until then, you can talk to the hand.

Repectfully,
Rutherford

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851 thoughts on “Damn! Another Thug!

  1. i like it, Rutherford. I knew you were open- minded enough to understand that a segment of liberalism including some of the press is manipulating us to enhance their agendas. Race baiters and their allies are opportunists. I think more people are waking up.

  2. Responsibility and accountability are certainly noble attributes and denote one’s level of maturity. Unfortunately we don’t see those characteristics anymore in our leaders or our children’s role models, so it becomes difficult to hold anyone in our society to those standards.

    It has become a handicap to have a morale conscience in our culture.

  3. I can’t believe you stole my “talk to the hand line”.

    Weirdest thing is the way black on black violence was packaged as a naughty counter culture product to suburbanites teens in the form of hip hop. Hell…I was one of those teens in ’91.

    Niggas killin’ niggas isn’t just ignored. It’s glorified!

    Add that to the “snitchin’ taboo and a street culture in which being intelligent is considered selling out and wow….to think these negative forces are unleashed on blacks in which odds are there is no father in the home…..holy crap blacks need a Renaissance of epic proportions.

    Not only won’t whites help them…we can’t!

  4. Poolman, I certainly agree that celebration of poor role models is not limited to blacks. And my biggest fear with an essay like this is the implicit suggestion that thuggery is “a black thang”. BUT, as I just told a FB friend, we can only control our own behavior. Whites being thugs doesn’t hold back blacks from excelling.

    Jesse and Al and Joy Reid need to stop worrying about white folks and focus on cleaning up our own backyard. I’m sorry but the minute Brown robbed that store he lost the moral high ground.

  5. Rabbit it has taken me a loooong time to come around on this but everything you say is true. I JUST finished reminding a FB friend of our Harvard classmate who feared a beating when he went home on break cos he chose Harvard over gangsta.

    And you’ve had me dead to rights for years now. I’ve allowed my liberal ideology to make me defend folks I don’t understand and don’t condone. Watching Cosby vids would straighten me out for five minutes and then I’d fall back in the same rut.

    I truly think Trayvon was the wake up call I needed.

  6. Way to remove the power supply from my snark machine.

    One thing I’ve said here (and believe) is that white America is nowhere near as racist as the agitators would like you to believe. The accusation has become too much a crutch for many. This post if written by one of your commenters on another blog would certainly draw the accusation. Although I wish it would stop, it’s the depth depravity that’s “presumed” in these cases that I find most troubling. To execute a black boy in a community you patrol because of his skin color is a type of racism that I can’t say I have ever seen.

    Of course always possible, but to it presume it? It’s little wonder why the Sharptons of the world are almost always proved wrong in the final analysis.

  7. We do have some role models though they are imperfect. Jeff Gordon, for example put up with Clint Bowyer’s nudging him into the wall, He did it again, and contact gave Gordon a flat tire and took him out of the chase instead of driving to his pit as he should have, he stayed on the track, stalked Bowyer and crashed him.

    Bowyer was also removed from contention. A crew fight erupted and Gordon lost 25 points and over $100,000 in penalties. He took responsibility for his action while he was on probation.

    In the past years, he has not won as many races and fans have speculated that he was in decline and might retire. This year, he won his third race of the season today. It was a hard-fought drag race near the end.

    Another notable is Danica Patrick.

    If you think about it, conservatives like Rush Limbaugh and some backs are better than they might be because they battle against negative stereotypes.They know people are watching for signs they will fail. I believe some women are in the same position,

  8. Rutherford, your fb friend is right. We can only control our own behavior. A mature person controls his/her thoughts, words, and actions. Too many have been told how to think and act and do so involuntarily.

  9. According to Jon Oliver, this song was used to promote a tank being deployed in a US town. They only used the music, not the lyrics.

    It’s actually quite catchy.

  10. Like your style, Rutherford. Firm in your beliefs, but willing to consider other points of view and concede points well made.

    Maybe you should hold school or something.

    You learn that stuff at that hotbed of communism up there in Cambridge, or were you always like that?

  11. Nice videos. Poolman should read Betsy’s Page today., Hamas admitted they had coerced reporters to slant their stories in favor of Hamas. Their spokeswoman admitted that many missiles were launched from residential areas, including schools.

    Betsy also discusses Obama’s anti-Israel policy..

    She shows how the Obama administration is using race discord to win elections.

  12. Hahahahahahaha, this is what happens when you leave stuff open on the browser!

    Alright R, I complement you on this post and agree completely.

    Limited introspection is better than none at all.

  13. I read your suggested ‘Betsy’s Page’, James. I am thinking the first part was what you were referring to. The site seems to be a collection of various thought and quotes. The notion that those in control are controlling the message is not surprising or new. We have had that in America for years, and even they compare similar efforts with our current administration, though previous ones were little different. Today with the msmedia owned entirely by six individuals or entities, the message is much easier to control. It was a long-stated goal and seems to be a success for tptb.

    The Hamas accusation is somewhat ironic, given how they came into being. Here is an article describing how Israel bolstered and supported their efforts in order to counter the PLO.

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/Antiwar-2006jan-00084

    The other interesting fact today is that journalists are being targeted. In our world of instant messaging it has become a most dangerous profession.

    The violence against journalists in Gaza points to a larger, deadly trend. On Wednesday, the International Press Institute issued a report saying that 119 journalists had been killed this year, the highest total since it started keeping track in 1997. The total included all journalists who died while doing their jobs, not just journalists who might have been targeted for their affiliation or reporting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/business/media/using-war-as-cover-to-target-journalists.html?_r=0

    We can see with today’s events that if you can’t control the message, the next best thing is to kill all the messengers.

  14. Very poignant post Rutherford,one that could make many rain hate upon you.
    You’ve touched upon a number of truths and people hate that.
    Good job!

  15. I think it is far more likely that as we push the envelope to get the meat that is “If it bleeds it leads” it is likely that you will be one of the ones doing the bleeding.
    Whether you are formally embedded or just pushing the limits to get a story the fact is you will never be viewed as impartial,nebulous or untouchable. Reporters are in fact tools for everything other than truth first.

  16. On the Perry thing…. It seems that although the indictment is loaded with political baggage the baggage is on both sides.
    I think Perry will be vindicated or at least found not guilty,the law is stacked on his side.
    There is history though of the public integrity unit being a pain in Perry’s ass though so this should be a wake up call to him that running for POTUS would result in easily smacking him about.

  17. Ferguson “spread” would require a number of variables which I doubt would be allowed to coalesce .
    As the protests renew and the imagery of looters and fire spread the masses will unleash the hounds and look the other way. This would on the surface offer the fuel for more protests but I think right now the hammer is still stronger than the nails.

  18. @19 and 21: Seems any other event that occurs that could be twisted into a parallel could cause it to spread. The concept of oppressor and victim is too ill-defined at this point to keep it from spinning all kinds of directions. It’s screaming for validation literally and figuratively.

  19. Reporters are in fact tools for everything other than truth first.

    I propose they come in varying categories, like the rest of our culture. People are motivated by something to do what they do. It cuts across our entire society. Our culture as a whole looks somewhat disgusting from a ‘norm’ or moral scale right now. Our sacred institutions have lost their luster. Life feels much cheaper. Money and entertainment motivate us. If money is your passion, then you will sacrifice what you deem of lesser value to gain it.

    As for reporting or truth telling, there are always censors for those a part of the system. When exercised, freedom of speech still comes at a cost. As Voltaire said,

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”

    And it isn’t just reporters. Whistle blowers today are treated as criminals. They have been threatened or jailed or killed. Some people just lose their jobs or livelihoods by speaking truth to power. Here is a recent case:

    A senior employee of the Dutch Justice Ministry said the jihadist Islamic State was created by Zionists seeking to give Islam a bad reputation.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-dutch-govt-employee-isis-a-zionist-conspiracy/

  20. Apparently liberal groups are setting up voter registration booths at the make-shift shrine for Michael Brown.

    That sentence tells you all you need to know about the left’s view of this issue.

  21. Poolman,

    Today I came in from celebrating my oldest daughter’s 25th birthday (hard to believe), only to learn a childhood friend had hanged himself while I was gone.

    Now, we weren’t close as adults and parted company years ago. Nonetheless, there is a measure of guilt wishing I had picked up the phone one time as an adult and simply contacted him as friend.

    But I’m sitting here numb thinking about the wife and children he left and how they will never be the same again.

    And as I read your abject stupidity and hatred, a thought occurred to me.

    Having you as father would be worse…what an absolutely horrid role model you must be. You’re a disgrace. I mean that. An absolute total disgrace.

  22. We can see with today’s events that if you can’t control the message, the next best thing is to kill all the messengers.

    Hell, Poolman you can’t even be a reporter in a McDonalds in Missouri without being harassed. 🙂

  23. Oh, and apparently there was THC (i.e. Marijuana) in Brown’s system when he died…

    Mmm I wondered when the toxicology report would come in.

    I AM curious why two gunshots to the head. I understand several body hits as the cop tried to bring him down but the six shots included two to the head.

  24. Tigre I know criminal law is not your specialty but do you have any idea why the cop’s account is taking so long to go public?

    While I consider the surveillance video a godsend for the sensible among us, it doesn’t prove a damn thing about the actual encounter with the cop.

    If the facts are on the cops side then isn’t it in their best interest to get those facts out fast?

  25. Tex, I am not your father. Impossible. I would have to have had viable sperm at the age of 3. The remaining sequence of events would prove much more fantastic. You really have no clue when it comes to my role as father and grandfather to my kids and many others. Clueless you are. You’s the farce.

  26. “Tigre Iow criminal law is not your specialty but do you have any idea why the cop’s account is taking so long to go public”

    Because he isn’t supposed to be tried by the fucking public, man.

    By the way…the autopsy means nothing when it comes to guilt or innocence . He shot him center mass….as he fell…he took a head shot.

  27. “Tigre I know criminal law is not your specialty but do you have any idea why the cop’s account is taking so long to go public?”

    Well, I can’t say but here’s my best guess:

    Public Records requests (which have undoubtedly been made by the media) are controlled by state law but always have limitations. I suspect that the refusal produce info is a decision made by the local authorities on public safety grounds and interference with an active investigation.

    The public safety ground would related to threats against the officer and stoking the riots.

    The investigation would be based on the preservation of witness testimony untainted by the release of other info at this stage, e.g. to keep from putting out information that would then control the recollections or narratives of witnesses.

    Whether those are sufficient grounds, I can’t say. Balancing public need against the state’s need to restrict access is always a consideration. The limits would be controlled by state law. Generally though, you’d have the request under the open records request, refusal, then a judge would have to decide.

    I am not aware of the public’s right to access evidence gathered in an ongoing investigation or whether what you’d like to know about is even considered a “public record.” Remember, no one’s been charged with crime. But once they are there are disclosure rules that apply. You’ll probably remember that the Trayvon info came out piecemeal after the indictment (which didn’t come out for a long time because he wasn’t charged until the feds stepped in).

    “If the facts are on the cops side then isn’t it in their best interest to get those facts out fast?”

    For the benefit of a curious public? Not necessarily. I would assume the answer to that is, “we’re still investigating and releasing information that may or may not be helpful to the cop is not our function. The investigation of truth is.”

    That’s my best guess and nothing more.

  28. Or, more simply stated, “because he isn’t supposed to be tried by the fucking public, man.”

    Thanks DR. You missed your calling.

  29. Great. Holder has been sent to insinuate Obama’s racial agenda. Another Trayvon spectacle headed to Missouri from DC.

  30. There are more then a few Occupy type anarchists causing problems. Looks like Ferguson is the hip festival for leftist white boys too. Pathetic.

  31. Let me tell you something, Tool™ and your pretentious arrogance in your pathetic, little world. Your ignorant sanctimony period is about up. And you’re not smart enough to survive without assistance and the church pantry, explaining your attendance. Do you know how many scumbags like you I’ve met over the years filtering through churches? You never last.

    Who do you really think you’re fooling? Stealing from the church and the needy. Doesn’t get any lower than that.

    You’re going to go out with a whisper. If you weren’t such a filthy fool, Judas, I could almost pity you. But I won’t.

    And your own children will curse you when you’re gone for failing them so spectacularly, you ignorant, tainted, dumb cluck.

    You’re not worthy two dead flies.

    You put that in your own little Jooo hatin’ bag…

  32. A combination of elements ranging from the administration’s racial policy to governmental harassment of its enemies, to polititicized legal attacks will let historians judge Obamaism to be a variant of fascismt.

    As Sami singer Sofia Jannok says, this government fits the description of an occupying regime, Sarah Palin caught flack when she campaighed in West Virginia and said it was great to be among real Americans. She was right. Col Von Trapp said such things didn’t happen in Austria, “at least the Austria I know.”

    Saturday Night Live announcer Don Pardo died at age 96.

  33. Her ammulent is called a sun ring in honor of the solar deity. it is used as protection against evil spirits.

    The press has revealed the police officer’s home address, and an assortment of racists, revolutionaries, and criminals has invaded Ferguson. As they invest more time and energy into their enterprise what will they do if the courts rule their version of events is wrong? What will the other side do if they feel the court decision was wrong and racially motivated?

    Those people will need a steady supply of sun rings,.

  34. I found the perfect video that describes your cult theology, Tex. Of course you won’t likely view it since I am the one that posted it and it is 32 minutes long. The first 10 minutes might be enough, but then again, I’ve experienced your intolerance for illumination. I’ve tried to clue you in before to no avail. I think there is still evidence in the coliseum that you said you’d view but never did.

  35. The mob mentality, crafted from the left, freaks me out. Particularly blacks.

    The Washington Redskins all ran on to the field with their hands up.

    Think about that. The “hands up” protest doesn’t communicate a general dissatisfaction with police, it implies that the specific facts of this recent case are in stone.

    The entire left KNOWS what happened! Seconds after it happened.

    Time and time again…..the left turns into an ignorant mob…and time and time again they are proven to be liars. Dangerous people.

    Every national story on a racial controversy starts off with the left lying. I could list them. They want riots. They want conflict.

    If the silent majority in this country weren’t armed to the teeth, I have no doubt the left would attempt to unleash their mob violence on the suburbs.

    Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

    Those business owners who were armed on the night the police gave Ferguson to the looting savages are intact. Just like my family’s business escaped flames on several different occasions.

    Arm yourself America.

  36. Let me tell you something, Tool™ and your pretentious …

    I’m just curious which current events topic that tirade was connected to?

    And what’s all this about “stealing from church pantry”? Is this a cultural thing? You’ve leveled the charge many times. Is it metaphorical?

    My memory ain’t so good these days but I think Pools once said he had been on public assistance (Poolman forgive me if I’m wrong). Is that in your craw Tex?

  37. My father in law hasn’t had one drop of hydration, no IV, and not one bite of food for 8 days and is still alive.

    I asked how this is possible and they told me the body follows a new set of rules when preparing itself to die.

    His hands look dead and he has this distinct smell I remember from my grandmother on the eve of her death.

    Doc says today or tomorrow should be the day.

    Couple days ago, some male nurse who acts like one of those male waiters who bend down to get your order at a chain restaurant refused to give him morphine. I wanted to put him in hospice. Wtf!

    Doctor fixed that and put him on a set schedule. It seemed miserable for that day….now not so much.

    Hard to believe last month he was insane but his body worked perfectly. As soon as we institutionalized him it killed him.

    I had him on a golf course later month! Twice!

  38. Sarah Palin caught flack when she campaighed in West Virginia and said it was great to be among real Americans.

    As she should have. West Virginia has the greatest concentration of white trash than anywhere in the country. If Harlem and Watts are not the real America than W VA sure as hell isn’t either.

    One thing I can agree with you James: RIP Don Pardo.

  39. Think about that. The “hands up” protest doesn’t communicate a general dissatisfaction with police, it implies that the specific facts of this recent case are in stone.

    . Incidents like this and Trayvon quickly move beyond the facts. They become symbolic of something bigger no matter how incongruous with the facts of the “trigger event”.

    Trayvon and Michael are terrible standard bearers for legit issues. Eric Garner in Staten Island is a much better case of over the top police brutality. But Garner was a fat middle aged man so who gives a shit? The big strapping gangsta gets all the play.

  40. I’m sorry rabbit.

    I disagree, Rutherford. West Virginia may have a heavy concentration of white trash, and Palin’s comment might have been more accurate in a state like Iowa or Nebraska, but what you wrote insults an entire state. Many good, industrious people live in West Virginia. as do similar people in large inner cities.

    I know you didn’t intend to condemn an entire population, so I am pointing it out.

    Sarah Palin was referring to progressives like Obama and Nancy Pelosi. Compare their agendas and methods to traditional American values expressed over the generations. They promote an ideology foreign to our traditional concepts of consent of the governed, personal responsibility, and the right to a fair trial.

    We have betrayed or ideals through our history, but we at least give them lip service and hold them as ideals.

    The latest Ferguson event is yet another example of a foreign ideology combined with racism to create a lynch mob mentality. They are unAmerican, Sarah Palin would have been criticized now matter where she would have made her comment, but she would have been as right as Sofia Jannok’s “occupying regime” statement.

    KFAB Omaha played part of a Weird All song called “I Lost at Jepordy” Don Pardo listed the prizes he lost.,

    .

  41. “Incidents like this and Trayvon quickly move beyond the facts.”

    True. But they are “moved” by the left. And it’s not how this country is supposed to work.

    It seems to me that fat dude resisted arrest and was taken down in the wrong way.

    Police have it rough. When they screw up at work they become evil racist murderers facing 20 years in prison.

    That cop was attempting to put down a massive black guy. He wasn’t trying to kill him.

    I’m not saying he was right. I honestly don’t know.

    I just can’t get over the risk these urban cops take on for 40 grand a year.

    Think about that too. Duty calls for him to apprehend this guy. If he does it too limp he could get his head smashed. If he does it too strong he could later get his head smashed in in prison.

    And they have to deal with savages on a daily basis.

    Now let me ask this. Do you even know what happened to that cop? Because I don’t.

    What is justice for you? Should the leftists have tweeted out the address of his wife and children? Is he guilty of murder?

  42. I just googled the Garner incident.

    Shame on you Rutherford.

    A grand jury is collecting evidence.

    The wheels of justice are moving forward.

    Why is it you think you blacks are owed special treatment?

    How would you feel if whites, who are much more likely to suffer from violence at the hand of blacks then the other way around, demanded instant retribution every time a rapist black attacked? Facts be damned. Hell….it used to be that way..how did it often turn out?

    So…basically you are complaining about a lack of what with Gardner? Mob violence? Fast food McJustice? More riots based on insufficient facts?

    You need to check your base instincts, still.

  43. R –

    ‘Let me tell you something, Tool™ and your pretentious …’

    “I’m just curious which current events topic that tirade was connected to?”

    Maybe it’s not connected to anything external. Maybe it’s all internal. Has it ever occurred to you, Rutherford, that your halfling doctor might have manic-depressive psychosis? You know (at least over here) they don’t only kick you out of medical school for grades.

  44. I went back to watch it an realized I’ve never made it through. I can’t get past the part where he says he can’t breath.

  45. There is a second video where the ambulance guys watched him die without CPR.

    Dude was so big and those people were so little.

  46. “But Garner was a fat middle aged man so who gives a shit?”

    Rutherford, I think I totally misunderstood your point. You are talking about media reaction not calling for mob rule. Sorry about that. For some reason I read it as if you were saying Gardner deserves a riot. Pretty low IQ of considering the post you just wrote.

    I have a Pavlovian urge to trash you I guess.

  47. Has it ever occurred to you, Rutherford, that your halfling doctor might have manic-depressive psychosis? You know (at least over here) they don’t only kick you out of medical school for grades.

    I guess not even a failed marriage counselor and swinging dick like you doesn’t realize the psychosis here is Tool’s™ rabid Jew hating. Tell me how in the hell that relates to this thread, porn star?

    You’ve got plenty of time to describe now that they ran your sorry ass out of the practice, gunslinger…

  48. Rutherford, as you well know Poolman is a nut. But he’s not just a mousey, innocent nut.

    This stooge is a rank propagandist and real hatemonger, circle jerking with the other hate mongering stooges – the mirror image of the inner city black cult without the balls to violently protest. And I’m fed up with this bum and prick pulling out this Jew hatin’ shit when that nation is fighting for its very life.

    I’ve met Poolman’s type hundreds of times in my church days. Grifters drifting through the churches looking for a handout – they’re the bottom of the dregs. And that’s all Poolman is. A miserable prick whose only joy is found in the suffering of other people. Why do think he’s always cuffing the carrot about 9/11 and a troofer? Shit, that was one of the happiest days of his life.

    If this paranoid M.D. up there can’t understand that, it’s because he doesn’t understand the world nearly as well as he thinks he does. But then, most of us already understood that.

  49. Rabbit I’m not complaining about how the Garner case was handled. All I’m saying is that folks started protesting Brown before they could even spell his name. Garner didn’t provoke that kind of reaction. Maybe I missed it.

  50. There is a second video where the ambulance guys watched him die without CPR.

    The EMT workers were at least temporarily suspended without pay. Don’t know if they were fired. Shoulda been.

    Rabbit can you see how in a racially charged society the notion that a black life ain’t worth shit seems plausible? That’s why I said Garner is a far better standard bearer than Brown.

  51. The plot doth thicken boys and girls. I have not confirmed it but my wife says another store video shows Brown paying for the cigars but still having a dispute with the worker.

    If you take “strong arm robbery” off the list of that night’s fuckups, the release of the video really makes the police chief look like a shmuck.

  52. Tex I’ve said this before several times. I don’t think Pools fancies himself a hater. I think he calls himself being open minded. The problem is his mind is TOO open. Everyone’s mind should have a “KEEP OUT” sign for the likes of Brother Nate.

  53. Hang on. The store owner called in a false robbery report? The released incident report references the robbery.

    Time to do some searching. Is this MSNBC or Daily Kos or some other unreliable source that wants Brown to be the victim of a racial incident?

  54. I think the Brown story is a circle jerk for the partisan ends following it. Clearly the Right and perhaps FPD want to paint the picture of Brown being a thug and quite simply a thug nigger.
    The Left cannot tolerate tarnish on the turd they want to hold up to the light and equally make statements most recently on the possible purchase of the tobacco product in question.
    Both sides spin and for the Left there is at a minimum the catch all recap of “we will never know”…
    Bottom line Brown was a thug not a tender youth.
    The community has acted in a manner deserving scorn and tear gas.
    The FPD is a poorly managed law enforcement entity struggling with the tasks assigned to it.
    Whether Brown paid in full or was running a game or was just a tool for pushing the clerk are not really key points for either side when the issue most important is the civil unrest and criminality afoot.
    In my mind there are only two takeaways for this story.
    #1 is that minority communities exist primarily because racism carved them out. There is sound science behind this and quite frankly the dynamic needs to be examined more deeply.
    #2 is law enforcement exists in any form because of the desires of the People.

  55. The Garner case is also open for more scrutiny.
    The autopsy findings are consistent with how the police acted,the hold and multiple people on top of the suspect. but are not without outs for them.It should be noted that although the hold is against policy everything else is quite consistent with standard procedure and is actually designed to prevent injury to the officers and the suspect. The guy was asthmatic and a candidate for Pickwickian dyspnea. The ptb.’s will focus on the hold.
    This guy was not the Jolly Brown Giant though. He was a criminal street peddler holding court in an area where taxpayers have been screaming for police action against the drunks,drug dealers and “loosie” sales guys for some time now. Garner was pending three appearances for various charges.Given NYC adherence to the Broken Window theory of policing this was an operation that was going to happen although the result was obviously neither planned nor desired. Garner presented classic non-compliance and threat postures,quite frankly they should have Tasered,maced or shot him. Had they done that the officers would’ve be instantly cleared.

    As for the EMS response. The four people involved have been suspended. The unit they work for has been suspended from performing 911 responses. FDNY now runs EMS in the city but there has been a long history of private entities primarily out of private hospitals supplementing the city 911 ems system.

    I spent time on NYC EMS 18 Y out of Harlem for full disclosure & bragging right.

  56. Though this will piss people like Rutherford off, the truth is Alfie that blacks have been singled out for “special treatment” for generations.

    And that “treatment” has promoted and perpetuated the lifestyles and culture that we see on open display in Ferguson, Missouri. By enabling bad behavior, predominantly by Leftist politicians pandering for votes, you end up with the predictable debauchery. It’s a disgrace.

    This orgy is nothing but an excuse for lawlessness, theft and thuggery. And the honest blacks will admit as much. Frankly, I think many of them like Rutherford are embarrassed by black culture anymore.

    I wouldn’t want to be affiliated with it either if I was black.

  57. Gotta disagree Alfie. There’s more to examine. The false narratives and manufactured racial conflict is important. The media reaction and what it represents is important. The involvement and what that means in the long term for this community is important. How we as a society react to incidents like this, without the facts,, is important.

    There’s plenty more to take away than the reason for the community’s racial complexion, whether the PD reflects it, and what it takes to undermine the public’s confidence in it.

    Is Ferguson roughly united in the reaction or have they been coopted/exploited for other’s agendas?

    To have a meaningful “dialogue” the shroud of uncertainty concerning what happened has to be lifted. Until it is, all sides will view the discussion to be a dishonest one.

  58. Oh come on, Rutherford. You can’t not like Br Nate. He’s a colorful character. True, he’s a wee bit outlandish, but definitely unique. He has the perspective of being raised in Jewish orthodoxy and converting to Christian orthodoxy. His message generally rings true.

  59. Sorry to hear that, Bro. Rabbit. I feel when it gets to the point with people who have lost their faculties and ability to reason or care for themselves, it best for the family if they pass quickly. The hardest part of my father is it dragged on for over a year – and his quality of life was the worst I’ve ever witnessed. In retrospect, it would have been more merciful had he passed immediately.

    I’ll be thinking about you, your wife and the family.

  60. Rutherford, I can’t find anything about Brown paying for his cigars from any sites worth paying attention to. All I see is the very tape that’s been circulating with moronic KOS-like commentary.

    Not that it changes anything at all. Just wondering where it came from. Sharpton was out there yelling that it was “shoplifting” not “robbery” as though that makes any difference (which is wrong anyway).

    The desire for the left to really, really want this victim lie Trayvon, and Gates, and Brawley etc., etc., is fascinating to me. Even your post reads like you’re more “let down” than relieved that examples of the most vile form of racism aren’t as reported. The psychology behind that disappointment and the sophistry and distortion it creates bothers the shit out of me on many levels.

    I really wish you guys would cut the shit and at least try to BE what you claim you ARE instead of easily led destroyers.

  61. You deserve bragging rights, alfie. The Ferguson case further illustrates liberal racism. If a white police officer shoots a white teenager, or if a black police officer shoots a black teenager, there is local interest but rarely something scaling the levels of this tragedy.

    Progressives and some black leaders foster and encourage racism to keep government benefits and preferences in existence. We all can see, We are not blind. This special treatment also inflames the natural racism and resentment of non-blacks. The two impulses feed on themselves, but the liberals are the main culprits.

  62. As a counter balance our son-in law discovered he has pneumonia this morning. The little family was planning a trip to Minn.

    We just arrived home this afternoon. Our grand daughter so missed us while we were gone that on Monday and yesterday afternoon she wouldn’t play with her toys. She only wanted to be with us.

    Our grand daughter walks by herself and thinks she is the first to have discovered the skill.

  63. Tex, you re being sexually dismissive. And we all know that won’t be tolerated here.

    Now, if you put quotation marks around the word “man,” I think you’re good.

  64. Our grand daughter walks by herself and thinks she is the first to have discovered the skill.

    That made me laugh. That’s the thrill of watching them grow in the early years.

  65. Now, if you put quotation marks around the word “man,” I think you’re good.

    Careful, Tigre. LOL!! “parker” has got friends in low high places. Like the FBI. 😛

    And he’s deadly accurate with his spelling and his pistol. And he can’t be touched in an argument. LOL Sorry. That makes me laugh out loud picturing that loud mouth, lard ass – probably drowning in a bottle right now with his ‘toddy.’

  66. I was thinking about Cocktail Dundee and the FBI thing too.

    Fortunately Holder has all of their agents ties up in Ferguson to be sure the place is turned into a political event for Obama. They won’t have time to investigate the latest threat to his dignity on the Rutherford Lawson Blog.

  67. Two things: while I wish Muffy a speedy recovery I’m still laughing at her reference to my contributions here as sporadic or whatever word she used. Even in the best of health her appearances here are totally unpredictable.

    Second — “Cocktail Dundee” — damn that was priceless. 😆

  68. The decapitated journalist may break the Obama presidency if not handled correctly. This calls for all out war. I don’t know if BO has it in him.

    Nah. Just another in a series of blunders by the unaccountable President. Face it, Rutherford. The world looks at Obama as weak, grossly incompetent, not credible, and not terribly bright. The truly evil folk, minus the evil her in America, laugh at the man. The military doesn’t either – most have zero respect for Obama. Why should they?

    But in America, Obama and Holder manipulate the mob and free stuff has won the day. Look at Ferguson, MO. That’s your party, Rutherford. It’s the end result of Leftism. Unruly, hopeless, a cluster fuck of racism.

    I’m almost ashamed to say I find myself hoping many of your ilk get an opportunity to live under the yoke of purified Islam.

    Frankly, your gang has earned that right, Rutherford.

  69. I was just thinking about the internet entity I know as Muffy. It makes me nervous she hasn’t checked in here.

  70. Got to love the hardcore Irish. The family requested that my brothers home brew be tapped at the funeral home.

    I’ve been in charge of making a Moody Blues Mix tape for the wake. What a trip that band is.

  71. I hate the leftist educators too. But damn, Tex. There’s more to that story for certain. Buried at the bottom was a blurb about disorderly conduct. They didn’t arrest him for the dinosaur post. It’s not a crime of any sort that I am aware of. That kid was up to some other shit. There’s a back story.

  72. Very good rabbit. I might use that for my funeral.

    I’ve thought of Muffy too.

    Rutherford, Wait until you are a grand father. You have a lot to look forward to.

    Radio station KFAB said the same thing as you about the jihaists, Rutherford.. They practice a religion which though not what we regard as Muslim is evil. We need to kill them all. Our values and theirs cannot co- exist.

    Betsy’s Page links to Daniel Henninger who quotes a Pew Research Center report made last August. It shows that high black unemployment fell during the economic growth through Reagan and Clinton.

    Now, the jobless rate is unprecedented. The school system in many black areas is bad. The “occupying regime” discourages emergency measures such as charter schools.

    To use liberals’ language, the current administration is waging a war on blacks. Ironically, they probably don’t even know it.

  73. The decapitated journalist may break the Obama presidency if not handled correctly. This calls for all out war.

    Obviously, this is the outrage and reaction that staged event was suppose to elicit. I watched the video and I am not the only one that thinks it is faked. The state propaganda broadcast media is running with this story and include the parents’ pleas. It’s the same tired m.o. that has become so predictable. I guess since it always seems to work, why change anything?

  74. What the survey found was very disturbing: not only did businesses report that as a result of Obamacare the number of workers they employ is lower than higher (18.2% vs 3.0%), that there has been an increase in part time jobs (18.2% higher vs 1.5% lower), leading to a big increase in outsourcing and most importantly, Obamacare costs are being largely passed on to customers (28.8% reporting higher vs 0.0% lower), the punchline was that while there is basically no change in the number of employees covered (17.6% higher vs 14.7% lower and 67.6% unchanged), there has been a big jump in Premiums, Deductibles, Out-of-pocket maximums, and Copays, which has been “matched” by a far greater reduction in the range of medical coverage and the size of the network.

    Click the link, it’s worth the gander.

    Obamacare = Unmittigated Disaster

    #ObamasLegacy

  75. Halfling doctor: “deadly accurate with his spelling … And he can’t be touched in an argument.”

    True – but not unusual in most countries, where the primary schools do more than baby-sit. Only in US can the average man neither speak nor write his own native language.

  76. Pools I looked at my Fruit Loops box again expecting to find your picture but it wasn’t there.

    Could you please tell me the criteria you use to discern a staged or false flag event? If my memory serves, 9/11 and the Boston Marathon and the Newtown murders and now the decapitation didn’t happen or were committed by the US gov. Do I have all that right?

  77. I’m not complaining about the failed rescue mission. Things happen. I do criticize our knowing about it.

    A news report took me back to “Airplane” when Ted Striker told Elaine the details of a planned air attack which was supposed to be top secret.

  78. I’m a bit surprised I haven’t seen Obama Carter comparisons here yet regarding the botched attempt to save the journalist.” – R

    Probably because of this:

    hursday morning, Shaffer appeared on WMAL radio in Washington, D.C., to discuss the ISIS execution of American journalist James Foley earlier this week. He told me and co-host Brian Wilson that the recently revealed rescue attempt led by Special Forces earlier this summer failed because President Obama was slow to give the go-ahead:

    I’m hearing from my friends in the Pentagon, they are giving him every single option way ahead of time. And let me give you a little secret here: The reason that raid into Syria failed to get Foley and those guys was because the president drug his feet. He waited too long, the intel got stale, and by the time we actually gave the “go” word it failed because we just didn’t react quick enough.

    Had Obama been focusing on protect Americans in harms way instead of, oh I don’t know, golfing for the 191st time, then Foley would likely be alive today.

  79. January 2014: ISIS is JV. Flippantly uses Kobe Bryant and the Lakers as an allegory

    August 2014 : ISIS are, IN FACT, SCARY but what we meant was Al Queda was worse and Obama did AN awesome job destroying them. Also, there are other Stink Beard franchises more scary then the JV Lakers, See video.

    Today in 2014: RUN FOR YOUR FUCKING LIVES!

  80. “In our view, the meaning of the (law) is clear and unambiguous,” the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office (GAO) wrote, The Pentagon broke the law when it swapped Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, a prisoner in Afghanistan for five years, for five Taliban leaders. As AP reports, the GAO charges that the administration failed to notify the relevant congressional committees at least 30 days in advance of the exchange, and furthermore, used $988,400 of a wartime account to make the transfer without express appropriation – breaking the Antideficiency Act. So it seems The White House’s previous statement that it “acted lawfully” are once again false. As Republican Senator Susan Collins exclaimed, “The president’s decision is part of a disturbing pattern where he unilaterally decides that he does not have to comply with provisions of laws with which he disagrees.”

  81. True – but not unusual in most countries, where the primary schools do more than baby-sit. Only in US can the average man neither speak nor write his own native language.

    I’ve often noted in a few of these primary countries, apparently a few too many men appear to put sex (swinging) and career ahead of family too.

    And it shows… 😛

  82. We are in danger of a more serious type, and though a number of people are working on legislation, Congress and the President show little concern. An electromagnet pulse caused by a nuclear explosion above the US could cripple our country and cause millions of deaths and social unrest.

    Russia, China, and other countries have the capability, while Iran and North Korea are developing it. A Scud missile could be fired from a ship off our coast and sent over the US before it exploded.

    The world missed being fried two years ago when a large burst of solar radiation rivaling the 1859 Carrington Effect narrowly missed the earth.

    $ 2 billion would buy protection for our power grid, but we wait like sitting ducks.

  83. James – you had me with the Auckland video until the bloke started “rapping” – er, I mean talking. Had to shut it down.

    re: EMP. I really, really wonder about that; it would surely be a good place for the US govt to get everybody fired up and worried, opening them up for another round of rights-taking. Amateur radio operators know that the ionosphere provides considerable protection from space-based EM radiation. Northern and southern lights, for example, are caused by interaction of the sun’s particulate radiation. The magnetic field provides considerable protection, too. Pure photonic radiation, I’m not so sure, though.

    Take anything your government says with a five-kilo bag of salt. This one doesn’t pass the odour test. Kinda reminds one of “The Day the Earth Stood Still.”

    Klaatu barada nikto.

  84. Parker, our fourteen month old grand daughter loves that video. She waves her arms to the tune. I think she likes the dancing.

    The Carrington Event demonstrates what can happen. The British astronomer witnessed the largest solar storm he had ever seen. He sketched what he was watching and told his collegues. The uproar had already begun to diminish by then, but it was still impressive..

    Telegraph lines burned, operators got electric shocks, and electricity heated lines which had already been turned off.

    Now that we are so dependent on electronics and power lines, the effect will be much worse. The sun will do it to us if our enemies don’t destroy our power grid.

    From what I have heard, we can protect our electronic maze for about two billion dollars. So far, the US government doesn’t seem worried.

  85. The “odour test?” That common Australian phrase really brings me back, mate.

    Such a command of the etymology and native language. 😆

  86. I thought about an RLB drinking game: turning common phrases to make them sound/appear Australian.

    Pfaker went first.

    My turn:

    “Well that’s a wallaby of a different colour.”

    Back at ya, mate.

  87. Could you please tell me the criteria you use to discern a staged or false flag event?

    If you were serious, I would point you to some proof. I have examples of obvious blue screen where we are supposed to be seeing a war zone. However, my experience has shown that your default is to believe what you see and hear on teevee. Like most Americans, you tend to believe what the media is presenting as actual and authentic. You believe they are still somehow independent or on our side and a genuine check to power. Unfortunately, that no longer characterizes the press.

    You must first consider that most of what is broadcast IS intentionally staged and designed to support an agenda. When you are able to glom unto that, THEN we can have a serious discussion.

  88. LOL…….Pajama Boy might be all if them!

    That is great. So weird how liberal men AND liberal women want to look like effeminate boys. You see it everywhere to. The only other option is the ironic beard.

  89. Rutherford, think about Poolman’s mental illness for a moment.

    Here is a guy who has brought up his Daddy issues many times here. While his authoritarian father dominated him, the poor lad was uprooted numerous times due to being a military brat.

    Poolman hates authority yet is paradoxically screaming for order in his life.

    So….he places all the evil things mankind does onto this omnipotent Government entity. In order to do so, he needs to create a world so unrealistic it wouldn’t be palatable to the Marvel universe.

    Rather have a horrible father then none at all. Plus he gets to role play his developmental years.

    Before you judge him…think about it, R. You and I were terrible depressed by the school shooting. Poolman takes it out if existence. Who do you think sleeps easier?

  90. EMP is a legit threat so much so that the USAF has a “doomsday” version E4 747 that would serve as AF1 in case of national emergency. It was operational on 9/11. It has systems that surpass AF1 ability to maintain flight and communications even in light of EMP and other nasties.
    Another thing to consider is that although a nuclear explosion is the typical scenario Boeing has successfully tested CHAMP. This is a cross between a drone and missile that ideally is deployed via the B2. Freaking thing can target buildings,city blocks etc and zap ’em with a pulse that takes the electronics out.

  91. I’m OK fellas. I was sick, then sicker, now slowly getting better. Low, low energy.

    Thanks for the good reads. I’m thoroughly dispirited by the foolishness of this administration and the rest of the entranced dullards. No discernment, so far off from reality.

    PS…ever since he got busted on it Pfarkles has gone a little overboard with the Aussie spellings, h’aint he?

  92. In order to do so, he needs to create a world so unrealistic it wouldn’t be palatable to the Marvel universe.

    😆 😆 😆

    Damn, I wish I could come up with witticisms like that.

  93. Okay, guys. I’ve had it with this threat of ISIS, Islam, rioting, and the rest of the religion of peace/special entitlement horse dung. I’m going to get me some if these maggots come crawling to my town.

    I’m thinking about some real weaponry this time. If you had a couple of grand to spend, what’s the most lethal, legal weapon out there available. Something above and beyond the shotgun, the deer rifle, the pistol. Any of you “dudes and dudettes” attend any of these gun shows?

    I’m tired of playing childish games. I intend to flame some ass if this is really going down – without reservation. And I’m ready to get my wife and kids out of big cities, because I have this creepy feeling something big is going down before too awfully long.

    I’m the only one living in middle town America anymore. Frankly, I’m shocked some jihadist hasn’t already mowed down a shopping center, ballgame, or high school assembly already.

  94. “I have this creepy feeling something big is going down before too awfully long.”

    Well, it’s up to them because we aren’t going to do anything to stop it.

  95. That’s a beauty, Rabbit. But I was thinking of something where I could take out a city block and 72 buffed dudes would magically appear for the slopeydopes. LOL

    Pfesser will probably get his wish and the FBI will show up now.

  96. Before you judge him…think about it, R. You and I were terrible depressed by the school shooting. Poolman takes it out if existence. Who do you think sleeps easier?

    Good question. While you and I differed at the time about the solution, we at least went to bed understanding what happened. How tortured must your sleep be when you are delusional about the problem? I’m not so sure I’d trade my sleep with Pools.

    Poolman, did you have this approach to current events before the movie Wag the Dog came out?

  97. Psychobabble bunny… ha ha ha. He’s so funny. Hilarity. Mr ‘tossed salad’ thinks he’s got a handle on normal? Mr ‘I see kids drowning’ thinks he’s a grip on reality? So tell me Dr Phil, how do I get over my father issues? lol. You so funny. Truth is definitely stranger than fiction. Marvel that.

  98. Damn, girl. You had us worried and I didn’t know Rutherford knew how to get in touch. Glad you’re back, “sister.”

    That’s for you, Rutherford. 😉

    LOL

    Actually Tex, thanks for commenting as it supported my note to Muffy. Didn’t want her to think I was just using you guys as an excuse to check on her. 😉

  99. While you and I differed at the time about the solution, we at least went to bed understanding what happened.

    I find that interesting, since there has been no conclusion to what happened as of yet. At least not officially or on the record.

    I never saw Wag the Dog, Rutherford. BTW, I sleep just fine. Hell, I can sleep just about anywhere and through anything when I want.

  100. Tex there was a time I would have called you an alarmist. Not so much lately. And as I’ve said before, I hate myself for my recent gravitation toward Elric, who no doubt is laughing his ass off right now, assuming he hasn’t offed himself or wound up in prison.

    Don’t get me wrong. I still believe the majority of Muslims to be decent law abiding people. But I am increasingly pissed off by their silence. By not cleaning up their own house they are contributing to a religious war the likes of which none of us has ever seen.

    And thanks to the cowardice of the Arab states and Europe, WE will have to wage that religious war.

  101. I’ve got a grizzly question. I haven’t watched the Foley decap but I assumed it was done with something like a scimitar. I’m told however it was a short knife. How the hell do you cut a guys head off with a short knife? Did the animal lop it off or spend ten minutes sawing?

  102. Speaking of lopping, I hope about ten folks from England, France, Germany, Spain and Italy lose their heads at the hands of these savages so MAYBE their countries will wake the fuck up.

    I’m so sick and tired of us going it alone to save the lives of gutless cowards.

  103. Gorilla, I think earlier in the thread you referenced an incident report in Ferguson. My lib prop channel tells me no such report was ever filed beyond a meaningless one page bit of nonsense. Grounds alone for the cop to be fired, so I hear. But I also hear that police union attorneys are now discouraging cops from filing incident reports in a shooting on fifth amendment grounds.

    Mmmmm.

  104. “we at least went to bed understanding what happened. How tortured must your sleep be when you are delusional about the problem?” -R

    I don’t think you understood me, probably due to my standard typos. Poolman sleeps much easier then we do. For him, the shooting didn’t even happen!

    Look at 911. According to Poolman….an all powerful Daddy did that. Not an unpredictable and unstable world.

    All of these silly and impossible conspiracies that defy reality are a coping mechanism for him.

  105. “But I also hear that police union attorneys are now discouraging cops from filing incident reports in a shooting on fifth amendment grounds.”

    Someone may be calling for it, but I’m calling bullshit. Incident reports are a function of their jobs. How does the 5th apply?

    R, don’t wish lies to be true to confirm a narrative for God’s sake. Your slip is showing.

    We all know the “hands up, I surrender” then shot in the back is total bullshit. Lending credence to the least likely scenario is feeding an untamable monster. This has to stop. You, we, don’t want the consequences.

    Confirmation bias is what has led to the mistakes you have made in the past that resulted in this post. Ask the hard questions of “your side.” It’s time for Holder to get the fuck out and get real. He’s stated his bias and objective (to get some kind of indictment to placate the rioters). We did the bit with replacing disproved facts with new ones to fit the narrative with Trayvon.

  106. O.J. nearly decapitated Nicole with a small knife. I know from classes in forensic pathology that one can come close to total decapitation in committing suicide (yes, cutting one’s own throat is not as uncommon as you’d think). No saw required.

  107. We all know the “hands up, I surrender” then shot in the back is total bullshit. Lending credence to the least likely scenario is feeding an untamable monster. This has to stop. You, we, don’t want the consequences.

    You misunderstand. It’s absolute bullshit in this case. But don’t you also think its plausible that police union lawyers are advising cops to be careful what they put in an incident report lest it be used against them in court? Especially in the current environment where every young hood becomes civil rights hero upon death?

  108. R@146: “Don’t get me wrong. I still believe the majority of Muslims to be decent law abiding people.”

    Have you seen this old missive, circulating on the Web? Its attribution to a “Dr. Tanay” is reputed to be bogus, but the sentiment, IMHO, is entirely correct. The tiresome cliches about, “The majority of Muslims are law-abiding, peace-loving, etc., etc., ad infinitum ad nauseum“- while likely true – is completely irrelevant. It’s like arguing about the existence of god. Whether she exists or not is irrelevant, because she doesn’t ever get involved. Neither do the “peace-loving, decent, law-abiding” Muslims.

    Ah, here it is; found it!

    “A German’s View on Islam. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.”

    ‘A German’s View on Islam

    ‘A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

    ”Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything.

    ‘I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories. We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.

    ‘It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

    ‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.

    ‘Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

    ‘China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

    ‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war-mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

    ‘And who can forget Rwanda which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

    ‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

    ‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

    ‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’

  109. re: EMP. I’ve had some time this afternoon to do a bit of noodling about. All there seem to be out on the Webs are sensationalized accounts of possible scenarios as described by reporters – which is to say, people with basically zero scientific knowledge. I seem to recall that they said similar things about Y2K, which of course turned out a real yawner.

    It would be interesting to read a real engineering paper with some estimates of field strengths, voltages generated, likely damage. The trunkline high-tension wires here already carry upwards of a half-million Volts; it would seem unlikely that ANY EMP could generate that. hmmm… smells like one of Poolman’s government-sponsored – what do you call it? Fake flag? things …
    What say you, Poolman?
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    James – good to hear your granddaughter is doing well. So, what was the final read on it? Did the docs turn out to be wrong about her?

  110. I have no doubt that the police departments are being told to be careful with their incident reports. However, you have to remember that the incident reports are used as evidence in criminal trials. The officer is subject to cross-examination concerning its contents. Including or excluding even mundane facts could jeopardize a conviction because it impacts the police officer’s credibility on the stand.

    In any event, I don’t know of any “Fifth Amendment grounds” to include or exclude portions of a narrative. That is a privilege that applies to testimony that may incrminate, and asserting the privilege can be used as a presumption that the witheld testimony would, in fact, incriminate.

  111. Tex there was a time I would have called you an alarmist. Not so much lately.

    Actually, that post Pfesser provided, I provided some time ago and it was dismissed as alarmist. But it makes the point both Pfesser Parker and I are making. What Pfesser provided, Rutherford, is the historical record. As I’ve said here dozens of times, only 1/3 of the German population voted for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. We didn’t discriminate.

    Perhaps the majority of Muslims do what to live in peace and their lives miserable and fearful because the Imams, the Mullahs, the head loppers control the game. But that is a personal choice they allow, just like the Germans allowed Adolph Hitler.

    Granted, this is a more difficult fight to distinguish because there is no particular state affiliation and these guys don’t wear military uniforms. But in every predominantly Islamic state, either the fanatics rule, or the fanatics are quickly gaining the upper hand.

    There is going to be a war, Rutherford, more vicious and more deadly than any that has been fought before. Even a secularist like you should see the clash of civilizations coming to a head.

    And Barack Obama is exactly the wrong man at the wrong place in time to lead this war. He’s just not capable of seeing the big picture – he’s to inexperienced, too immature, too poorly read to grasp what is happening. That is why Benjimin Netanyahu makes Barack Obama look so weak. Netanyahu understands the enemy and has fought the wars; Barack Obama has not.

  112. Thanks, Parker. The doctors still don’t know why our grand daughter is normal. The shape of her head is basically normal, but its size is on the border with microencephily. Their last comment was “maybe she just has a small head.” They no longer speak of MRA scans.

  113. Our daughter assured us she would never have children.

    Later, doctors said an abortion might not be a bad idea.

    Time passed and doctors feared the baby and our daughter faced death.

    They said our grand daughter would probably be subject to seizures and would be two or three years developmentally delayed.

    The shape of her head reminded me of Pinhead who made a living as a circus entertainer.

    Our daughter seriously considered choosing a short name so her daughter could remember it.

    My wife and I poured everything we had into our grand daughter when her parents didn’t have the time or emotional skills to do it.,

    We are still here after being hit by a train. Had we died, our grand daughter would be a different person today.

    Don Williams’ song describes our lives right now, and most of yours too, if you think about it. Listening to it is better than reading about our crumbling society.

  114. I probably shouldn’t go here since space and time don’t really afford all it entails.
    Whether one finds it relevant or not Tanay didn’t write the German view…. thing.
    This is however important in addressing your fears & angst Rutherford.
    The truth is faith has always been used to exert power over people.
    Islam even more so. The thing is though the West is guilty of a one sided view. We see the violent jihadist and the alarms ring,and rightly so. We completely mischaracterize how they come to be and enjoy their time in the sun though. More importantly we completely ignore and/or mischaracterize that the same things that form up the terror groups is exactly the same thing charging the western termed “pro democracy” groups. Thats bullshit,it is Islam that energizes the masses to move towards what we call democracy.
    Islamic adherents world wide have loudly denounced ISIL and if you’re not hearing it it’s likely you’re not listening. Sadly globally all people have refused to move on the problem and this is attributable to a tangled web of alliances and political interest as well as straight out cowardice.
    Here are some notes:
    USA have a relationship with Saudi Arabia,they helped ISIL come to be due to their proxy war in
    Syria: who blocked a Qatari and Turkish supported pipeline transiting its land..
    Qatar known to be financiers to ISIL who like Qatar is predominantly Sunni just like Saudi Arabia as opposed to…
    Iran which is the Shiite powerhouse and due to its agendas are at odds with the USA..
    USA who weakly backed an overthrow of Syria’a Assad and now finds themselves facing the demon,ISIL who exist because Syria languished and may very well have to aid Assad indirectly to break ISIL since confronting them only in Iraq is pointless which brings us to..
    Iraq a country destabilized by the USA and facing a ton of schisms of its own has experienced a number of Muslims acting very well

  115. Alfie, I don’t truthfully disagree with most of what you said, but I do want to point out something that requires just a little horse sense…at least to recognize the weakness of the following statement; of which much if not most of America’s own cowardice shares as attested to by electing a man like Barack Obama for President, not once but twice:

    Islamic adherents world wide have loudly denounced ISIL and if you’re not hearing it it’s likely you’re not listening. Sadly globally all people have refused to move on the problem and this is attributable to a tangled web of alliances and political interest as well as straight out cowardice.

    Liberal/Leftist educators widely denounce our failing public school systems. And I am indeed listening to them take note daily.

    But what are they doing to improve the situation while they denounce the failure, always asking for more money to fix the broken system they created?

    I still think even reasonable guys like you are ignoring the 12,000lbs pink elephant in the front room. 😐

  116. @ Tex. I am getting hung up on something in your comment but can’t quite peg it so bear with me.
    What elephant am I missing?
    I like the education system comparison but I think I disagree the dynamics are totally similar. IMO the teachers and definitely the administration types don’t see themselves as the problem even though they clearly are. Is it your position that is true and that scenario applies to Islam in general ?

  117. @ James you say that is the answer but I think I’m missing what the question is 🙂

    Seriously though if it involves to what degree other Muslims have responded and called out ISIL I disagree.
    The Peshmerga are predominantly Muslim yet they are going toe to toe with the ISIL fighters who share the same sect,Sunni. Peshmergas tend to be more Sufi mystic which probably pisses ISIL off. Peshmerga have been instrumental in taking in Christians and Yazids.

    Imams from London to Tehran to Riyadh and all points have dedicated much time and media to dumping on ISIL and speaking to the threat they represent.
    Although Sunni types in Iraq have shown they are better at running from ISIL than at them the Shiites have been pretty good and the central government is trying to respond in as national a way as they can. That’s important because I think there is a crystal clear line between the national state and the religious state. I think this is even present in such an extreme case as Iran.

    Just because people follow the Quran doesn’t mean they are not open to the notion that the UN or something like it should take the lead. People will find this ironic or stupid or whatever but if you look at how the Islamic countries actually view world affairs they do stock more faith in the UN than the USA even though they share in many cases direct snubs from the body.

    Going off the path perhaps you can make a case that in Africa there is little evidence of action. I think people need to take the demographics,geographics and sheer corruption of the states into consideration though. These are places that squander and mismanage resources to the point that they can’t sustain fights against disease and malnutrition let alone organized radical ferro groups. That said Kenya has still been doing a better job post Westgate and the Mali and Algeria episodes speak to effective actions as well.

    After reviewing this it occurred to me that instead of writing it I should have just asked: What is it you want or expect the Ummah to do regards ISIL?

  118. terror groups not ferro … How is it spell check hates some things but not others

    I’ll answer my question here though now that the opportunity arises.
    I want the Ummah and the respective countries to push for a UN resolution that declares ISIL an international humanitarian threat and for them to participate in the unimaginable international effort to crush ISIL completely,secure and preserve the cultural sites of all faiths in Iraq & Syria and the associated ethnic peoples involved.
    Its gravy if they can do this without starting WWIII

  119. Alfie, I don’t want the majority of Muslims to restrict themselvs to criticizing ISIL. I want to see peaceful protest marches similar to Tea Party demonstrations against EVERY jihadist movement.

    I want to see numerous letters to the editor and criticism on Facebook and other social media.

    I want to see Muslim entertainers speak out against the killers.

    I want to see Muslims renounce Sharia Law when they move to other countries.

    I want Muslims to stop donating to front charities.

    I want Muslims to protest and discredit religious and other leaders who preach jihad.

    I agree with your goals, but until the general public turns against the extremists, their effect will be similar to average Germans during the Nazi era,

    It would be as hard for Muslims to do what they need to do as it is for our entertainers to mock Muslims as they do Christians, conservatives and others.

    They all know that Muslims kill their critics and Christians don’t.

  120. Rutherford, you ever read Harris’ “Uncle Remus Tales” when you were a stripling? The most instructive was about “B’rer Rabbit and De Tar Baby.”

    Show me where engaging and fighting this muslim tar-baby has worked in any way. Yes, it’s hard to stand by and watch these stinkbeards murder and rape, but IMHO, that’s exactly what has to happen. You can’t deal with lunatics like you deal with normal people – the harder you try to stomp them out, the trickier, greasier, and more determined they become.

    You have to isolate them and drain their power. That means draining their money. Remember, before you people went in and started drilling for oil, these idiots just rode camels around and lived in tents; they didn’t have the scratch to buy missiles.

    So just stand by; watch them self-immolate. Let them kill the women and children. Get off foreign oil and give the technology you developed in order to do that to your allies. Then organize those allies to boycott trade with any radical muslim country. Rinse and repeat. Pretty soon they will be back to riding camels and living in tents and the world can move on – all without losing a single Western life.

  121. So Rutherford in a hat tip to your original efforts and theme in this post I offer this.

    I literally stumbled upon Blue Nation Review piece that seemingly has a penchant to stalk George Zimmerman. Their latest outrage is that he was found by Orlando Fl police outside a gun shop that was recently broken into. When questioned he said he was the night watchman for the store. The plot thickened when the store owner denied ever hiring or asking Z to do the gig,the owner added that “George had a good heart.”.

    So BNR is all hot and wet about how much a shit bag Z is and how much justice needs to rain down upon him and of course how terrible that no limit nigga’s heart no longer beats. They put that last one out far differently continuing to polish the myth of the innocent youth.

    Anyway the point is that your post truly flies in the face of the dogma of your brethren and I sincerely commend you for it.

    BNR snippet

  122. @ James there are examples available for every point you call for.
    FWIW I am not trying to get all pro muzzie here,I have a history of wanting to have a focused,prolonged and intelligent stance on Islam and extremism evidenced by a series of posts @ my place titled Dhimmi? Dummy? Thinker!.
    I just can’t stress enough that there is a set of lines where the West is so blurred it dooms us.

  123. Alfie – I think the only thing that makes the “isolate, not kill them” plan unrealistic is that nobody is considering anything other than military intervention. That doesn’t work; we’ve seen it tried. You know what they say about the definition of insanity…

    Maybe the proper thing is to not repeat that which is proven not to work and try something else.

    It’s hard to get out of the mindset that something has to be done and the US is the fellow to do it. What are the Chinese doing in this little problem? Practically nothing; they are letting the US and its allies drain THEIR treasuries. And they are, relatively speaking, right next door. But then, IQ studies show that they are smarter than the rest of us.

    The old adage: to a hammer, everything looks like a nail, applies. When all you have been used to doing is blowing shit up, NOT blowing it up seems foreign. The less generous might suggest that it is the result of generations of propaganda by the US Military Industrial Complex having their desired effect – no American ever thinks of doing anything else.

  124. Isolation isn’t an answer and comparing Chinese and Western FP positions is pretty shallow on this. One could make the case that China reserves the right to have respectful engagement with the region. This is not extended in their eastern sphere and also forgets that much of their African campaign is based on carrot and stick infrastructure programs that favors Chinese economics.
    That the West is burdened with moral qualms is clear but this isn’t the only realm our policies and relations exist in.
    *US interests in the region are not energy centric since most of US energy comes from outside of the region,saying otherwise is a fallacy.
    *US economic interests in the region do have energy related infrastructure and financial angles such as pipeline contracts.
    * The US recognizes that the regions independent thinking often pits itself against western ideals. This is indeed something the West needs to free itself of with the US embracing the lesson regards Latin America.
    I am heading to the ocean so I can’t linger TTFN

  125. Anyway the point is that your post truly flies in the face of the dogma of your brethren and I sincerely commend you for it.

    Make no mistake. Georgie Z should be the LAST man on earth to be carrying a gun.

    But it IS amazing how the myth of Trayvon survives. And I saw the attorney for Trayvon’s family offering his services to Brown’s survivors. I guess it is a new cottage industry — representing the families of deceased thugs. I wonder how many of these lawyers regularly donate to the United Negro College Fund?

  126. Yes, alfie, I know examples of all I stated exist, but they are not good enough. They are background noise. We need a massive reaction to every facit of Islam extremism just as we have against public racial attacks in this country and other parts of the world. The culture must change to stop the jihadist movement.

    Too many people are romanticizing the struggle as they did during the Spanish Civil War, for example. The man who cut off the reporter’s head may be a London rapper. So far, scattered criticism is failing as I wrote.

    I will check your site again when I have time. Your viewpoint is one of the wisest I know, even when we disagree.

    As you know, I have an interesting past which still influences my view of the world. Yes,the West blurs lines, but the elemental line from mhy experience and reading of history is life or death. One of us will survive and one will die. We may change tactics to fit changing situations. Mockery and scorn should be weapons. We may even be conciliatory and work with elements of the enemy, but we must not forget we have been fighting a long war for over a thousand years.

  127. Joe Scarborough put an interesting spin on Obama golfing right after his Foley statement.

    He said it almost resembled a cold blooded dude who basically says to the terrorists “I’m smiling and playing golf while in the back of my mind I’m planning on how I’m gonna kill you.” He painted the picture of a man unphased by the terrorists.

    It may be a bit of a stretch but at least it was original. Bush’s now famous video clip could be viewed in the same light.

  128. Alfie, I still think James is coming from the right angle and comes the closest to the real truth here. There’s no doubt there are isolated voices of Islam that are revolting against the destruction by Islamists in the name of their religion. But they are not nearly loud enough, nor numerous enough.

    Having said that, I don’t think Pfesser Parker has it right either, and there I think from my own observations you get this part of the fight right. America doesn’t simply destroy and in fact in my own opinion, is not nearly forceful enough anymore. We as a country have become morally ambiguous. Like you noted, we have done far more than just bomb, including freeing millions of Muslims from oppression. But that is looked at as weakness and humiliation by savages like ISIS. Foolish, really.

    You are right in your observation that we as a country need to free ourselves from the dependency upon any M.E. country and this is why I honestly do think energy independence is as much an order of national security as I do good economic sense.

    But let me tell you what I think is really going to happen to win against radical Islam, which will by definition grossly affect all Muslims. And I readily admit Americans are not comfortable with this, therefore it will never happen because I don’t think 95% of Americans understand our enemy and what motivates our enemy. Most Americans have become woefully ignorant.

    There is going to have to come a time, Islam is treated like the Shinto religion of WWII. We forget that one of the final aspects of the surrender of Japan, a people far more honorable and humane that what we face now in Islam IMO, was that MacArthur ordered the end of Shinto as Japanese state religion and the emperor was denounced as terms of surrender.

    Now the comparison is not quite apt because the one who would need be denounced no longer lives and has been dead for centuries. But the premise is basically the same.

    The problem with the strife is Islam. That is the head of the snake. But if all you understand is all religions are basically the same and all our equally dubious in value, one is never going to get this.

    I’m not saying that’s you I’m talking about, but it does describe millions, including a few here.

    And that is the point I was making above.

  129. Rutherford, Joe Sc… doesn’t get it. I can tell you exactly what these golf outings are for Obama – a simple coping mechanism.

    Let me give you an example from my old job that fits Obama to a ‘T’.

    There was this guy I worked with named Dick who was about 20 years older than I was. Great guy, funny guy, everybody liked him. Somehow, Dick had been promoted into a position he was not capable and it was an important position as it set pricing for the division.

    I had this boss named Dave that was also Dick’s boss. Dave was a great boss, good man, and did everything in his power to cover for Dick, even though Dave had inherited Dick in the Dept. Dave oversaw.

    One day, Dave became so frustrated with Dick that Dave called me in, a 27 year old man at the time, into his office and begin to vent. I guess I had become Dave’s fair haired child at the time, which I didn’t realize until later (Unfortunately, I lost Dave as a boss which signaled the slow decline of my own career).

    Dave said, “I have tried and tried to teach Dick how to manage his own department and to manage the expectations of how to be a boss and delegate. But I don’t leave his office and ten minutes later, he’s back to doing simple data entry, which is the only thing he seems completely comfortable at doing.”

    Like Dick, Obama is doing what he is comfortable doing.

    He’s not qualified to be President, but he was a great community activist and gladhander.

  130. If Obama thought his playing golf made him come off as a clculating cold blooded terrorist killer, he and anyone that belives it are in need of therapy. That inference would require a history/pattern. There’s nothing quiet and menacing about Obama completing another dozen rounds of golf. Him being in office without using the crises and responses as a tool to attack conservatives would leave his enemies confused. Not scared, just confused.

    The kid that always hands over his lunch money doesn’t suddenly instill fear by going to the playground.

  131. The kid that always hands over his lunch money doesn’t suddenly instill fear by going to the playground.

    Well yes and no. Earned reputation is hard to overcome. Still, unexpected incongruous behavior can throw the enemy off. I don’t buy Scarborough’s analysis 100%. Hell, Joe thought it was a stretch. But I think it was Reagan who said “let the enemy think you’re a little crazy”.

  132. I know it has been in the works some time and I don’t think O in stills much fear in folks but….
    Is it just coincidence that post Foley the SAS is on the heels of the cutter,the world has expressed outrage and hinted at determined action and now Syrias Al Nusra Front releases a journalist they’ve held for 2 years?
    I doth wonder if there is a little something in the tea leaves tonight?

  133. “Still, unexpected incongruous behavior can throw the enemy off.”

    It’s not incongruous. It’s typical.

    fro Obama, incongruous at this point would be NOT remaining on vacation. Acting like he was serious, unpredictable, going to do something. . . and then doing something.

    In other words, don’t look like you’re reluctantly doing something because you have no other choice. Look like you’re going to do something because you have a choice.

  134. Thanks, Rutherford. They live in San Jose which was out of the main damage area. We didn’t hear from them until yesterday evening.

  135. Next time some skunk Leftist throws it was George Bush’s fault about the mortgage fiasco back in 2008, throw this back in their face – big Dim donor Angelo Mozilo, benefactor of the scams and never held to account.

    I’m now sure the novelty of Barack Obama as President has worn entirely off. These Leftists are starting to eat their own – from the NYSlimes, no less, trying to swim from the sinking ship.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/business/an-unfinished-chapter-at-countrywide.html?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad&_r=0

  136. Tex, our daughter, our son in law and our grand daughter live in Omaha. Our son and daughter in law live in San Jose where he helps operate his employer’s computer systems.

    Thanks.

    This regime has proven to be so incompetent and dishonest, it is hardly worth bothering to attack any more.

  137. 185 is a good example of the Peter principle. I’ve called that out on Bo Bo in the past. I no longer think it is accurate, though. In his case, I think he was groomed for the position he holds. But I no longer believe the position holds the real power it once did. The position is now a glorified puppet post, complete with all the benefits including perpetual golf.

    If you can view it that way, everything he does makes sense. It does require you to believe someone or something else is calling the shots. A ‘shadow’ government, if you will. Sometimes ‘they’ put him in the hot seat.

  138. Rutherford, here is some of the main stream media getting on board with calling out the fake beheading video. Unfortunately they want a dollar to read the entire article.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article4186089.ece

    Many of the alternative sites have published their own findings. One thing they mention that most miss is that both Foley and ISIS (ISIL or IS) were anti-Assad and therefore on the same side of the conflict.

  139. Well heres the full article free of charge by the same person Deb Haynes.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/james-foley-execution-video-staged-experts/story-fnb64oi6-1227036186543

    What is clear is Foley is dead and what shitbags want to call “fake” doesn’t really matter but thats just how some scum roll I guess.

    As for ISIL being anti-Assad well that was always little more than a marriage of convenience which clearly played out as we’ve all seen. That the Syria “civil war” has many dimensions is also undeniable,I myself have brought this up again and again in these threads. As for Foley being “anti” anything a quick Google reveals many mainstream sources stating Foley as anti Assad and anti ISIL but it all seems like others positions. There is no reason to take Foleys work as anything more or less than left leaning humanitarian inspired “journalism” which is to say it fits in with at least 50% of journalistic process seen these days. From the lies of embed to the myth of the daring reporter.
    The history of journalism as romanticized is just that,a myth.

  140. What is clear is Foley is dead and what shitbags want to call “fake” doesn’t really matter but thats just how some scum roll I guess.

    Maybe we don’t agree as to what ‘clear’ is. You seem to purport the ends justifies the means. By your statement it doesn’t matter if ‘theatrics’ were used and presented as reality. Seriously, if it is so clear Foley is dead, where is the proof? Is there physical evidence for that, or are you talking out your butt?

  141. Pools whether Foley was anti-Assad is irrelevant. He was an American non-Muslim which made him the enemy.

    Any word on what those animals did with the body? Any chance they are returning it for a proper burial?

    Is it just me or does the head chopper sound just like D Ali G?

  142. Rutherford, you are so gullible. There isn’t any PROOF he’s even dead. Don’t you know what proof is? It isn’t a video. It isn’t a news report. It isn’t the word of anyone, including the president. Don’t you know not to believe everything you see?

    I had earlier stated how this has been a record year for the number of journalists killed. Why are you holding this one up as special and how come Alfie is defending this guy’s honor?

  143. These people are so disconnected it is pathetic. I wonder if they recognize their arrogance and don’t care, or are so truly disconnected that they just don’t see how demeaning and narcissistic they are.

    R, how the hell could you vote for someone like this?

    Vocativ was on Martha’s Vineyard over the weekend to film a piece about the African-American community on the island. While we were shooting on Beach Road, one of the busiest thoroughfares on the Vineyard, the Secret Service approached and asked us to switch off our camera for 15 minutes.

    A moment later, first lady Michelle Obama power walked by our crew. She was out for some exercise with a small group—and a serious security detail. It was 9:30 in the morning.

    Our producer and cameraman were surrounded by Secret Service agents and very strongly advised to stop filming. At one point, Obama looked in their direction and said, “Don’t do that.” It’s unclear if she was telling the agents to leave us alone, or scolding us for filming on public property.

  144. With the full recognition that addressing pools counters are pointless I will offer the following for the others here that may be curious.
    Sadly the web is dripping with the scum that sit in their rooms with tin foil hats on dreaming up sagas that they and those like them find edgy,intellectual and oh so cool. Ultimately they are all useless pieces of shit who deserve death.
    Much like Rabbit tried to point out earlier it is a pretty fucked up planet that think Martin Richard is somewhere playing with the boys and girls from Sandy Hook Elementary and are being fostered by the folks who weren’t on the planes on 9/11.
    Anyway here goes in no particular order…
    The “staged” or “faked” meme of the beheading of Foley is a textbook example of the loonies embrace of a word and a perception and running with it like they are all knowing. The video was indeed staged,heavily scripted and designed to pack maximum value. The quality of the work overall is in line with previous ISIL screenings. Is consistent with their primary upload site Al Faruch media [sp] as opposed to YouTube. Reasons for the scripting is obvious. Reasons number one being that the actually decapitation would’ve resulted in a quicker blackout.
    The fake meme and theatrical wannabe stuff one can be flooded with if one chooses is good on the surface but it really fails on one point for me. In the real video the anatomical lines of shoulder,baggy part of shirt,neck and scapula are consistent with an actual headless body as opposed to some fuck with his head down inside his shirt.
    The bloodless sawing motion and different knife is consistent with the fade away,the message is death.
    As for the interview with the siblings and the picture falling off the wall. This theatrics fake stuff aha moment is also unattached to reality and honesty. The interview was indeed staged. In the tradition of most news interviews a neutral site that can be wired is chosen by the network . The Foley siblings came to a Dover NH hotel and suffered through a homey staged backdrop. CBS 60 minutes show used to be notorious for setting up rooms with bright lights closed windows and the heat on to make the interviewed person look sweaty,uncomfortable and nervous. Devious indeed. NBC once rigged a GM pickup to explode so as to assure a story on a worthy recall issue. Really a non issue or should be.
    The brother arrived with a take out coffee. Some make a deal of this. O don’t get ti. We’re talking about individuals who have for two years probably and logically came to grips with not seeing their brother alive again. This was most likely heightened in 2013 when Foley’s boss told Wired that Foley was likely already dead courtesy of Assad forces.
    Not being intellectually honest enough to even entertain this likelihood folks like pools fave boy Creighton and others are just pathetic.
    As for journalists in general being killed well this is undeniable and I’d submit that one of the best sources to review this is CPJ Under reports you can look at the situation in Syria and see who is who including who is killing who.
    Personally I think Foley was killed/beheaded on a date other than the reported recording date. I think it occurred off camera and probably with yet another device other than either of the blades seen in the video and that obviously more than one person was involved.

  145. Alfie, I can’t bring myself to view the video but I trust your thorough retort.

    I will say this: I know from personal experience that your description of the media tactics employed by CBS and NBC is true (e.g. turning up the heat, bright lights, etc.). I’ll add one I am aware of that is particularly devious. They are known to pretend to take a break from recording but leave the cameras rolling. The interviewer would then ask the same question or false comment over and over and over until the interviewee would relent and say something like “okay, if you say so.” That interview would be edited to give the appearance that that was the first and actual response to the question.

  146. I personally find someone obsessing over a picture falling off the wall to be incredibly juvenile.

    In fact the video Pools posted sounded like it was narrated by a snot nosed teenager. It was embarrassing. That Pools hung his hat on it makes me wonder if perhaps he isn’t 14 years old and the whole “Poolman” thing isn’t just a scam.

  147. The beheading video is a joke. The hype over it is worse than any of the words or imagery. I’ve been all over the intertubes and I have decided Michael Foley (the brother) is actually the supposedly dead James Foley. I’m waiting for someone else to call it, though. The sister has been called outed as Alex Israel, the ‘friend’ of Adam Lanza. Looks pretty solid from the clips that are archived. Just like miss munoz here, or whatever her name is.

  148. Rutherford, you’ve never met any folks who were truly grieving, have you? These people have no tears. No red eyes. No wavering tone in their speech. You seem more gullible than a 14 year old.

  149. Oh geez. I watched some of Poolman’s dumb video.
    Did you notice the picture dropping in the background. That looks like a set.

    He’s got the proof. 🙄

    Or. . . it could actually be a set.

    Gotta say though R, the sarcastic fake nervous laughter of the idiotic narrator is the same device used by your MSNBC folks, Chaz and Chrissy etc. Grating.

  150. Poolman, why isn’t eh most obvious explanation for Ms. Munoz apparent to you? How about she is a psycho that gets a charge from the limelight by pretending to have been a witness to widely publicized tragedies?

    Why does it make more sense to you that the tragedies were staged and they couldn’t find another actor? You’ve got to be kidding.

    The bigger question is why am I bothering with Poolman’s stupidity. Sheesh.

  151. McCain and the rest of your boys seem to have succeeded in their efforts. It sounds like that video will be enough justification for Bo Bo to drop bombs on Syrian men, women, and children in the name of freedom, or whatever word Orwell would choose. What are borders, anyway? What’s proof in the court of public opinion? The Merican people are mad enough to kill. That was the video’s entire purpose. I’d call it a huge success… You boys are flirting with disaster.

  152. re 219, AND she has this uncanny ability to be there whenever these tragedies occur. Maybe she’s psychic AND psycho.

  153. “That Pools hung his hat on it makes me wonder if perhaps he isn’t 14 years old and the whole “Poolman” thing isn’t just a scam. ”

    Pools is really Mussy, your 14 year-old Google “researcher,” and lives in New Zealand.

    Sorry, Pools. That was a pretty low blow.

  154. I only had two hours of sleep last night, so I missed Poolman’s video.
    He wrote that Ruthrford had never met folks who were truly grieving.My guess is that Rutherford has only to look in a mirror to meet one after his father died.

    Victor Davis Hanson wrote an article describing how all of Obama’s current problems and scandals were predictable before he was elected.

  155. If you boys and girls can find it, track down the Fox News Sunday interview with Jesse Jackson and Ben Carson. Carson won the day. He paid respect to Jackson’s civil rights record while suggesting that everything is not a race thing.

  156. I know it was beyond preposterous, Rutherford, but I had to comment.

    I saw the debate, though I was working on something else too. Carson had supporting facts, and as importantly, he is smarter than Jesse Jackson,

    Our grand daughter can say “thunder” and points to the sky. We just watched a thunderstorm, and she liked it after one very close streak of lightning scared her. I took her to the door again and she said “dunder dunder” and seemed disappointed when it was gone.

  157. Poolman, are you saying that 9/11 and the Boston bombing didn’t occur? If so, what of my brother and co-worker that were present at tower (one on his way into the building), friends/acquaintances that were killed, and friends that were near the Boston bombing when it occurred? All lying?

    I don’t see that your videos prove anything. In fact, they appear to confuse other individuals or demonstrate no unusual coincidence at all. I agree with R (ouch), the idiots that narrate them would lend an air of credibility if you were 14 years old.

    The grieving comment was just stupid as shit.

  158. Has anyone seen the vid of the 9 year old girl accidentally killing her gun instructor?

    Question: putting aside the wisdom of teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi, shouldn’t the instructor have been standing BEHIND her to help brace her from the gun’s recoil? The minute the gun recoiled it took on a life of its own and she shot the guy repeatedly in the head in a matter of seconds.

    This actually COULD be a case of guns DO kill people (not people killing people).

    Poor kids life will never be the same.

  159. I think WP ate my earlier comment. Tigre, Poolman’s analyses fall into two classes:

    1. It didn’t happen – Newtown and Foley

    2. It happened but not how they told you – Boston marathon and 9/11.

  160. James – when I was a tyke, I was afraid of lightning and thunder until my oldest brother told me that he liked it, and liked to sit on the porch and watch the storms.

    Well, he was my hero of heroes, and even though I was scared, I watched storms until I wasn’t afraid any more.

    Thanks for the memory. Damn glad you granddaughter has made a fool of the medicos. Hell, she might turn out a genius.

  161. “This actually COULD be a case of guns DO kill people (not people killing people).” -R

    Man….you are right on that one.

    So sad. She had no business firing that weapon, period.

    I didn’t (and won’t) watch it but I heard what happened.

  162. Any parent that lets a 9 year old fire an automatic weapon is an imbecile and should not be raising a kid, especially a young girl.

    I’m a gun rights kind of guy as I have made that very clear here. But these classes where mental midgets with small peckers pay an exorbitant fee to fire high powered machinery like some ride at a carnival, strike me as on par with the abject stupidity of Leftist ideas.

    Believe me when I say there are a handful of right wingers that concern me as much as any Leftist or ISIS for that matter, as they have zero sense and a real passion for killing things. I’ve been on a hunting trip with a few of these yahoos and ISIS is no more terrifying than some dumbass with a passion for killing anything than moves holding a 20 gauge shotgun with a few drinks down him.

    I told the best man in my wedding I’m done with going on this white collar hunting trips for that very reason.

    Anybody shooting skeet while putting a beer down besides his foot should be feared.

  163. I didn’t (and won’t) watch it but I heard what happened.

    Rabbit every vid I’ve seen stops before the actual shooting. The vids that are edited real tight show her arms/hands start to move towards the instructor and then the vid stops.

    I was very surprised that an experienced gun instructor would stand BESIDE her while she fired.

    What were her parents thinking? And who the hell was video taping it?

  164. Now we find Lerner’s Blackberry was destroyed after investigation initiated. Unbelievable. Er.. . nothing burger.

  165. We were at the firing range in basic training. Our instructor looked terrified as he yelled “HIT THE DECK!!” A recruit was aiming a loaded M-16 at us. The young man was just being careless, but the experience shows what can happen with fire arms,

    Another thug bit the dust in Omaha when he tried to rob a Wendy’s with a pellet pistol. He fired at police and they returned fire. He died and so did a sound supervisor for the show Cops. Crew members had ridden with the police since June for a future television show, They had bonded and were in mourning.

    As with the other shootings, the friends and family members reveal their damaged values with their criticism. A man asked at a press conference if the three policemen were showing off for the Cops cameras.

    241 Rutherford, people like you did it to us. You are smart and open minded to realize your mistake, but this country is filled with ignorant sobs who would make this a better place if they attempted robbery with pellet guns.

  166. Thanks, Parker. We are now in a flood warning after over 3 inches of rain since yesterday morning. A thunderstorm woke our grand daughter, and she wanted to get up to see the “dundar.” My wife took her to the door to watch

    Later, she came into the guest room because she saw I was at the computer for my job of estimating rainfall at home when I am not there, She stared intently at the radar animation instead of trying to push keys,

    Later, she studied the door as she opened and closed it She tried to reach the door nob, so I lifted her up Our grand daughter knew the door nob would shut the door so she couldn’t open it and she watched me turn the door nob.

    Then, she found the latch and pushed it in and out. She closed the door just before latch engaged so she could pull the door open again and watch the latch’s movement. She has already figured out how to unlock the baby gate.

    I don’t know if she will be a genius, but i now have the time to study how she plays that I didn’t often have with our children. Her eyes and expressions reveal less real play and more study and research to figure things out. The doctors were certainly wrong about our grand daughter.

    Last evening our daughter and I let our grand daughter walk a half mile to the park and back to play at the play ground. She held her mother’s hand and was thrilled, because she knew we were headed toward the park.

    The son of a friend was afraid of storms. We conspired to diffuse his fears by my telling him about the weather. Now, he calls me with storm updates and has his own rain guage,

  167. Since we have the ingredients of the theme in this post and thread….
    See the latest swatting hoax this one out of CO captured via targets streaming webcam.
    People want a libertarian moment regard law enforcement tactics and I’m interested I that too. The thing is we need to eliminate his freedom to be a douche hoax Stuff

  168. I’ve been asking if the gun instructor should have been behind the girl. One thing I did hear is that he should have had his hands on the gun while she fired.

    Fortunately no charges are going to be filed. I just hope the kid can live with the burden. Turns out, the family was on vacation.

  169. The following is a quote from a StLoMo city councilor
    “Nobody wants to live next to black people,” she says.

    That’s from an article in National Journal which looks at the area with a focus on realty, racism and a dose of reality. It looks directly at Ferguson also.

  170. Well Alfie, this obviously means that EVERYONE but black people are racist.

    I mean, who wouldn’t want to live next door to the Gentle Giant or St. Skittles, the pillars of the community that they were.

    And come on, clearly, anyone who doesn’t appreciate an little gangster rap and saggy pants, doesn’t have the cultural tolerance or moral temerity to recognize the value that hip hop – and the black community’s embracement of such – has on society. After all, Lil Wayne and 50 Cent are simply proponents of personal finance.

    I must wonder though, does self-segregation within the black community make them racist too? I suspect not, after all, it’s not like there are any blacks in power…

  171. I did a military “about face” on the range with a shot gun mistakenly aimed at a 45 degree angle. As I turned around it was aimed directly at the top of the head of a 200 pound lesbian Master of Arms. She grabbed my weapon and shoved it up in the air and kicked me off the range. Fucking humiliating. Still disgusted with myself for that one to this day.

  172. I think the gun instructor should have been behind the girl too, Rutherford.

    Our daughter was brainwashed into thinking blacks are incapable of racism because they are without power. It took me a year to deprogram her,

    If people, including middle class blacks avoid black neighborhoods it is their recognition of a damaged culture. If they are racists, then so are the black people who vote for men like Obama because they share the same pigment.

    I agree, Parker.

  173. Omaha stations are reporting a mass shooting with the number of people involved still unknown. At least three people have been hospitalized. Parts of the city are blocked off near a high school. The situation is less than a half hour old and is still evolving.

    Why would newcomers want to settle in such a section of Omaha?

  174. I must wonder though, does self-segregation within the black community make them racist too? I suspect not, after all, it’s not like there are any blacks in power…

    That was the only part of your otherwise stupid comment with which I agree. All minorities self segregate. That’s why the “melting pot” is a complete joke.

    As for your stupidity, Alfie’s comment didn’t say “no one wants to live next to Trayvon and Michael”. The comment said no one wants to live next to black people. BIGOTRY is when you extrapolate from Trayvon and Michael to ALL black people. That is the very definition of racism.

  175. I agree with Rutherford about self sorting.

    This video shows what could happen if Ebola broke into the rest of the world (and supernatural forces battled for the remains.) The final line probably describes how some inner city people feel on bad days.

  176. LOL…was Obama on Xanax? Wtf!

    Uh..errrr……we don’t have a strategy.

    Maybe I should appreciate the honesty?

    Its gotten so weird…..

  177. No R, it is context for the what is reality right now. How many posts have you written on the black on white, racially motivated violence? How about the identity of victimology that is the essence of black expression right now? I don’t think you truly appreciate what Obama has done to race relations. Bull Connor, a fellow Democrat, would be proud…

  178. Lol….You know…I was looking at him thinking why does he look so strange? I didn’t notice the suit until I later read about people pointing it out.

    Do presidents never wear tan suits? Are they throw back or something? He must have obviously made a conscious decision….” I’m going with a weird suit today”.

    He looked like one of these:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit-O-Honey

  179. Was the video prejudicial? Of course it was.

    More prejudicial than the knee-jerk “Blame Whitey/Blame the Cop” movement that started almost immediately?

    Did its release disrespect the parents of the dead young man? Yes, sadly it did.

    The release of the video didn’t disrespect the parents. First, their “baby” did that by being a thug and committing a strong-arm robbery. Then they followed suit by stoking the flames rather than having the good sense to be ashamed that their son was an oxygen thief and correspondingly keeping their mouths shut.

    I want to hear the wrong Reverend Race-Baiter and the wrong Reverend Grievance Pimp explain why the looting and rioting somehow confers “justice”, and if it doesn’t, why weren’t they using their precious mic/camera time to denounce it in the strongest terms and calling for that bullshit to stop post-haste.

  180. Obama may have been honest, but he shouldn’t have told us he had no plan. It continues to confirm his incompetance. He had time to create several scenarios by now.

    I agree with gorilla. Obama and his allies have sent race relations back for years.

  181. BiC a bit disappointing that you had to cherry pick the post and in so doing miss the forest for the trees. And as an attorney I’m also surprised you’re peachy with the release of the video from a legal standpoint. Like I said, it served the valuable purpose of making Brown real but unless the cop DID know about the robbery, then it is pretty irrelevant legally. If I’m wrong, feel free to correct. (I can predict one objection — you would say the video stands as a character witness, suggesting the likelihood of Browns aggression against the officer.)

  182. R,

    Who, exactly, is being prejudiced from a legal standpoint? Brown is dead, and the DA has decided not to prosecute his partner in crime.

    Releasing the video should have had the effect of making his friends, neighbors, and strangers “deeply offended” at his ignominious end stop acting like violent dipsticks and consider that maybe he wasn’t as innocent as they allowed themselves to be lead to believe. Instead, they doubled down and told themselves, and anyone willing to listen, that the fault in their culture and character is whitie’s fault, and that government must lower the bar for them again, and transfer more of other people’s wealth to help them deal with it.

  183. Bit o Honey? LOL I used to love those things. It would pull every filling from your head. I haven’t seen them in years, but I would buy one to eat it – The way they were wrapped I haven’t forgotten about either.

    Do they still sell those things in the candy counter? Now I want one.

  184. Lol. Perfect.

    You might ask yourself, why such a large suit?

    You might ask yourself, how did I get here?

    Letting the days go by. . .

  185. R, there’s dozens of reasons that the store video could be “legally relevant.” But if you don’t know what was charged, the theory of the case or evidence to support a conviction, what the fuck are you talking about?

    Seriously. Quit repeating the dumb talking heads without knowing what you’re talking about.

  186. BTW, I understand the video was captured by the media under an open records request which was probably turned over by QT in connection with the theft complaint.

  187. BIC, Obama, had better have a plan. Those people would chop or stone him up for being an apostate.

    Obama would ask himself in the spirit of the Talking Heads Tigre quoted as the stones flew, “under the rocks and stones…how did I get here?”

    Or he might say as the actress in the video I posted. “We are dead and this is Hell.”

    He had better have a plan.,

  188. You should’ve heard MSNBC trying to clean up the “no strategy” statement this morning. As Obama’s spokespeople, they of course claimed “Obama’s critics” took the comment out of context — without placing it into a context that didn’t make the revelation any less troubling.

    I love liberal media. Incredible the lengths they go to protect this charlatan they are so invested in.

    p.s. R, I caught a little of the brother/sister team Chaz and Hayes last night. That juvenile sneering sarcastic, pretend incredulity and fake nervous laughter shtick never gets tired for their adherents? How you watch that shit is beyond me. It’s exactly the type of puke inducing approach that was used in Poolman’s video. Retching.

  189. Here’s another line that is becoming current and popular with the Leftists trying to salvage Big O’s legacy.

    He prevented a Depression. And we have “studies” that prove it. 😈

  190. This is off topic. Twitchy says Sarah Palin predicted a Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2008. “Russia might invade Ukraine if Obama wins.”

    Time Magazine, 2014 “No Russia Will Not Invade in Ukraine.”
    Foreign Affairs 2014 “Crimean Punishment: Why Russia Won’t invade Ukraine”
    Global Affairs 2014 “Russia will not risk entanglement in southeast Ukraine.

    Palin and Romney have been proven right about terrorism, Russia, Ukraine, Syria, the economy and Iran.

    And you have the temerity to mock Sarah’s intelligence after Obama has demonstrated his clueless outlook, Rutherford? She may be wacko, but she has proven more aware than her critics including the president and the voters who put him there.

    Obama is also a bigot if not a racist. I don’t know if Sarah mentioned his followers’ racism, but it was evident. For example, Obama sent more representatives to commemorate the memory of a thug than he did to Margaret Thatchers’ funeral. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the administration sent any representatives to the mourn the general killed in Afghanistan.

    Someone wrote “None of them have given a reason for their irrational venomous hate of her-just the old line “cuz she’s stoopid!”
    I know the real reason. She rubbed their face in it…”

    Someone else wrote “Now all of a sudden you have made yourselves into the biggest fools, and she was right.”

    Current events offer little consolation, so i get it where I find it. Saying Palin was right and that I told you so is a cheap thrill.

  191. James, here’s proof of Russia invading Ukraine:

    http://www.sott.net/article/284315-Western-propaganda-exposed-as-Russian-convoy-invades-Ukraine-with-humanitarian-aid#

    The ‘invasion’ is humanitarian in nature. OOOOooo, scary!

    Such a joke. This whole country is a joke. You can’t believe anything western media reports. Does anyone here still believe the Foley beheading video real now that it’s been proven faked by experts? Now the story is being told (Alfie, et al) that he was beheaded off camera and he is really dead. Propaganda and bullshit. There is still NO proof of that, but we’ll use it to excuse bombing more brown people.

  192. I think that beige suit is the least of Obama’s faults. In fact, it was a decent change of pace.

    But it does a great commentary on the depth of the people who support Obama. These people Rutherford is buddy’d up with have got to be the shallowest people on earth.

  193. The ragging on that beige suit from the narcissistic bastard provides some much needed comedy relief. It would’ve become a fashion trend among the deluded libs 6 years ago.

  194. R, there’s dozens of reasons that the store video could be “legally relevant.” But if you don’t know what was charged, the theory of the case or evidence to support a conviction, what the fuck are you talking about?

    Seriously. Quit repeating the dumb talking heads without knowing what you’re talking about.

    What are you so antagonistic about? I even suggested the video might speak to the character of the “victim”.

    Drink a martini and calm the fuck down.

  195. I don’t think anyone with working eyes didn’t find that beige suit odd. I like my POTUS to look like a 1960’s IBM’er — dark blue suit, white shirt, blue tie.

  196. How you watch that shit is beyond me.

    Funny Tigre. I was wondering how you manage to watch more MSNBC than I do. LOL

    BTW, Scarborough made a decent point this morning. Isn’t it time we STOPPED announcing to the enemy how we are going to attack them in advance?

    Everybody talks too damn much these days.

  197. James, both Palin AND Romney had foreign affairs advisors who got it right. Palin can’t spell Ukraine. She’s a puppet. She repeats what she’s told. Romney I suspect at least understands the intel he gets from his FP experts.

    BTW Colbert mocked the whole Thatcher/Michael Brown thing.

  198. BTW Colbert mocked the whole Thatcher/Michael Brown thing.

    I forced myself to watch it. And only the dimmest, shallowest people I spoke would have loved it – the most immature, dumbest people in America that need applause cues. The same people I was talking about.

    Colbert is a first class asshole and maggot, a coward hiding behind good men. I actually find myself hoping ISIS cuts off a bunch of your pal’s heads off. I mean that. I’m rooting for a bunch of Leftists in America to be beheaded. I hope Colbert is one. I can hardly keep two hands on the keyboard of the thought of them holding Colbert’s head like a basket catch. Orgasmic…

    😈

  199. Rutherford, they said it whether or not the words came from their advisers. My point stands.

    The people, including Obama and the liberal press must have had rotten advisers because they were still wrong and Romney/Palin were right whether by proxy or not. You have no proof that Sarah is dumb as a post. Your opinion is biased. If Palin really is stupid, Obama must be relying on a second brain as Stegosaurs did to control his legs.

    Poolman, Russia has invaded Ukraine, and that is a fact. The first invasion was to take over Crimea. Putin as much as said his soldiers were there when he called them volunteers.

    It feels good to be right, and I am right tonight.

  200. Rutherford, Obama doesn’t know how many states are in the union. He thinks a Austrian is a language, and he once thanked himself for visiting the White House.

    I am right and I am gloating, My wife hates when I do that,

  201. James, both Palin AND Romney had foreign affairs advisors who got it right. Palin can’t spell Ukraine. She’s a puppet. She repeats what she’s told. Romney I suspect at least understands the intel he gets from his FP experts.

    I think it’s a stretch to think that Obama, he of the inappropriate “shout-outs” and the declarations that he “Will Not Rest Until…” made before he scurries off to vacations understands much beyond when to use an iron and when to use the woods. But even assuming he can (his reaction to the Iranian Green Revolution and the Cairo speech/ spit-swapping with the Muslim Brotherhood calls that into question), it should be clear to even Tommy and Helen Keller that HIS advisors spilled out of some leftardian idiot bag that was carelessly left open…

  202. From the Federalist article that Tex posted:

    What the American spinners called “the Sunni awakening” resulted from the reality of imminent Sunni mass death.

    Ehhh no not from what understand. The Sunni awakening happened because WE PAID THEM OFF. It was a purely financial transaction. Fear of death had nothing to do with it.

    I think the writer has his head up his ass. I don’t think we will get a lot of Muslim help against ISIL.

    We will need boots on the ground. I hate to say it but I think it’s true.

  203. No martini required. Couldn’t have been calmer as I typed my comment. It is sincere. If you’re going to lecture a practicing lawyer about “legally relevant” you ought to have some idea of what the term means.

    Remember, we all suffered through your Zimmerman bullshit from the MSNBC brain trust. Despite your post, It’s mighty impressive to see you doing it again.

    But please, go on. Tell us about “legal relevance” and how it applies to the issues here where there’s no charges. 😆

  204. I consume A LOT OF of sources for news and opinions and that includes sources well outside the USA comfort zone.
    In full tin foil bde muster pools continues to hold up Haynes article about “faked” & “staged” terminology but throughly ignores same experts assert that a killing took place and that the killing is Foley. Whatever dude much like all your fantasies the amount of interconnecting variables that need to be in place for your narratives are quite simply mathematically/logically impossible.

  205. Back to you Rutherford:
    Although many talking heads are indeed beating the war drums and yakking about long hard campaigns and assorted other shit the ISIL situation will likely offer Muslim concern and cooperation at levels that will come off as unimaginable. The thing is though I don’t know how happy the West will be with the type and purpose. There are crossed purposes afoot here.
    Iran for all their blabbering in the most ardent anti-USA anti Zionist propaganda corners are in fact well represented in being against ISIL.
    The various pain in the ass allies types such as Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have little,fuck nothing now, to gain from ISIL trying to be IS.
    Syria was never offering “moderates” to seriously govern the country post Assad.
    Jordan can’t be happy.
    Lebanon will not tolerate much more and given the whole Hezbollah back to Tehran thing you see where that one works.
    Bottom line the USA needs to get right and focused about what ISIL was,is and can be and what the neighbors can do to help.

  206. Case in point on a different stage R…
    UAE and Egypt airstrikes in Libya. Sources from the west as well as pools Putin prop puffers RT cover it as being true that Egyptian bases and intel plus UAE assets conducted the raids.
    Now there is a wide ranging spectrum of thought on what all this means,with one end being the anti-Morsi anti MB pro Zionist US backed Sisi puppet government doing the bidding of the ptb to the other end where you get the vibe that in the Arab world the various “isms” have had serious pro’s and con’s and are dealt with accordingly.
    FWIW I’m clearly on the latter end. The history of the various Arab unity concepts pretty neat study. It could be said that what we’re seeing now is an honest conflict/struggle between Islamism and plain ole muslims.

  207. Fuck you pool. I have exactly the type of evidence you and yours think you have on the Foley matter and a litany of other things. If its good for one side its good for the other.
    Can’t stress enough that the same anonymous UK forensic source for the staged part of the equation is on the record of stressing that Foley was indeed killed.

  208. “BTW, Scarborough made a decent point this morning. Isn’t it time we STOPPED announcing to the enemy how we are going to attack them in advance?”

    Or how we “don’t have a strategy?”

    Oh yeah. He’s so calculating, he can play golf, return and say he doesn’t have a strategy, and expect that the enemy will fear that. . . he wasn’t playing golf, he was developing a strategy.

    Masterful.

    Or was he lying to America again?

  209. “She repeats what she’s told” -R

    That is tremendously weak, R.

    You people laughed at what Romney and Palin said. Jokes were crafted to embarrass Romney during the debates. It wasn’t just one view vs. another. The level of snark was off the charts.

    Look at the fucking world around you!

    The disorder.

    The confusion.

    The mayhem.

    Never has a president’s entire foreign policy playbook been proven….PROVEN….to be completely wrong. Nobody even debates that.
    The guy not only has no clue about the world, he surrounds himself with like minded fucktards.

    And the arrogance! Holy shit the arrogance!!!!! You liberals cheered with glee over the “1980s calling for their foreign policy back”

    .You guys mocked Palin about the Ukraine.

    You and your friends thought it was hilarious that the imagery of Kobe Bryant was used when Obama “dissed” ISIS. Kobe Bryant!

    And we warned you about all of this. Real time. Over and over again.

    Gross negligence.

    I still have no idea what ISIS means to Obama.

    I know last winter Obama made some weird prime time speech where he acted like he was attacking Assad and not attacking Assad…

    That’s after he changed the definition of what a red line was…numerous times.

    Now we are told we are going to get rid of ISIS and we are not going to get rid of ISIS….all of this done via “no strategy” (his words….and mine!). And…..off to fundraising! Weeeeeee!

    Are we in a bad sci-fi movie? There is a post apocalyptic Islamic Caliphate. Al Queda is defeated? Al Queda is now mainstream and flush. Al Quedastan!

    I hate boring everyone with common knowledge….but sometimes I have to type it out on the old smart phone just to wrap my mind around the most incompetent president in modern American history.

    And your petulant little twisted ass comes on here blabbering that Palin….uh….pppppp Palin just had smart people around her. Uhhhhhhh…..

    You should be cleaning her feet with your tongue, loser. (Hell…. I’m willing to bed you have been waxing the dolphin to that thought for years…so scratch that…suck Romney’s dick!).

  210. Alphie,

    You keep bringing up the fact that ISIS is isolated. That’s exactly what makes them so scary! (And to some….attractive) Of course they are going to eventually self destruct and shatter. (Stinkbeards only like either masturbating to the abstract of Shari’a law or implementing Shari’a law…NOBODY DIGS LIVING UNDER IT). Then what?

    These people want to die. They are nuts!

    When their little pretend Caliphate fails these crazies are going to become a terrorist cockroach problem the world has never seen before.

    You poor gasoline on a giant nest of red ants…..you don’t put a shovel in the nest and throw the dirt, ants and eggs up in the air directly over your own head while exclaiming “I told you this nest would never last!”.

  211. But please, go on. Tell us about “legal relevance” and how it applies to the issues here where there’s no charges. 😆

    Tigre, the ENTIRE national discussion is going on in the absence of facts. Most of you believe Brown had it coming, in the absence of facts.

    I have no idea if Brown lunged at the cop. I’m just pissed that once again the black “victim” has such a shitty character that it compromises the entire case.

    You and BiC are the attorneys. Tell me this. IF the cop knew nothing about the robbery, then how is the robbery directly relevant to the case, other than as a negative character profile of the deceased?

  212. Hell…. I’m willing to bed you have been waxing the dolphin to that thought for years.

    As long as she kept her mouth shut (or stuck to stories of hunting from the helicopter), yeah I’d probably enjoy fucking her. 😉

  213. Rutherford, neither of us was there, so we rely on hearsay.His committing robbery a few minutes before should have no relevance to later events. it merely tarnishes the image liberals tried to paint of a young innocent teenager. If I was on a jury, it would be important information for me whether or not a judge told me to disregard it.

    I am merely judging from human nature. The police officer might not have known about the robbery, but if he committed it Brown would have known and he would have been extra vigilant to avoid capture.

    Encountering a police officer under those circumstances might have effected Brown’s behavior.

    Earlier, I referred to a shooting in Omaha as the news was evolving. A convicted felon on parole robbed a Wendy’s restaurant with a realistic pellet gun. He and a sound man for the television show Cops died.

    The robber risked death with a toy because he didn’t want to be caught. Brown might have been thinking the same way.

  214. Now, Rutherford, you know Sarah Palin is hot. If you were nailing her, I’ll bet you would say “Talk foreign policy to me. You are so sexy when you do that.”

  215. I posted “Don’t Fear the Reaper” with scenes from the Stand because of Ebola. I just heard on the news, that the Ebola virus is mutating so fast that scientists aren’t sure the vaccines they are developing will be effective. This may become a bigger problem than other things we are discussing.

  216. “I’m just pissed that once again the black “victim” has such a shitty character that it compromises the entire case.”

    Why such a long face? 😆 Yeah, it’s a shame. That shitty character might mean a lie goes. . . exposed. . . as a lie. Bummer.

    For the fifth time, what case? You have to know what the case and the defenses are before you can decide what’s “relevant” or not. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

    Look. Any information that makes it more likely or less likely that something occurred — including information about the credibility of a witness like his dumb lying ass friend — is “relevant.” You’ve been challenged on the obvious and just keep repeating yourself. You wonder why you’re accused of being programmed to simply repeat your MSNBC themes?

    Try this: How might I defend the cop if he were charged with charged with second degree murder and said he had to use deadly force to defend hi self if I had that video and the judge said it was inadmissible “character evidence?” If you’d just abandon the desire to prove Brown a “victim” even you should be able to think of any other reasons why it might be relevant.

    Here’s a start.

    I’ve already said that it could go to the state of mind of Brown as opposed to the cop that will likely claim Brown was the aggressor. Brown knew what he’d done. His reaction to the confrontation with the cop might have been different if he hadn’t just strong-armed making him likely to be arrested thus “raising the stakes,” right? We call that evidence of “motive.”

    He might have a had tough guy high from pushing around the cop making it more likely that he would expect some success by doing it again, a bent of mind, right? Can’t you see that had brown just left church or was taped helping to selflessly help a homeless person it would be less likely that his conduct suddenly changed to that of violent aggressor without being provoked? If the cop had just finished beating his wife before going on duty or robbed the QT himself, that might place HIS aggression into to context thereby making his explanations of motive more or less credible, don’t you think? Obviously, very obviously, the same holds true for Brown if you’d let go of thinking “we got to find proof of how the cop executed this boy” rather than proof of his exoneration. We call that evidence of “state of mind” and it cuts both ways.

    I suspect that the cop will say he was physically overwhelmed by Brown and needed to use deadly force because he didn’t have the means to use anything less. The video shows how easily Brown overwhelmed the store clerk and his willingness to do it. Now that just might substantiate or rebut the assertion that he didn’t have the ability to do it, or “opportunity.”

    What lead up to the shooting would include what happened before and after, that’s known as res gestae. Events immediately preceding and immediately following an event are relevant to contextualize what happened. Was this all part of one event? Depends on what “the event” was and you don’t know until the charges and theories are presented.

    How about the guys that were with him at QT, witnessed his aggression, did nothing about it (and appear to have participated), and then immediately after the shooting gave an entirely different account of what lead up to it, including whether and why they ran from the cop. They’re the star witnesses. Are they to be believed?

    I could keep going but it doesn’t matter. You don’t have to be “for or against” one side to play his game. Just use your head. You need to quit the confirmation bias game that drives your view of all of these cases. You obviously want an injustice to keep the protestors and the blathering fools on the tee vee from the beclowning like we’ve seen so often in the past with these whipped up controversies. Let it go. Hell, I gave you a reason that the QT video was not released to “disrespect” Brown’s family. Am I wrong? Was that not “relevant?”

  217. Rutherford –

    I see that Florida is including a statue of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Pasta-farian deity, among its holiday displays this year.

    http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/211573/florida-capitol-approves-pastafarian-flying-spaghetti-monster-among-holiday-displays/

    The article also says the Satanists are lobbying for a statue in the Oklahoma state capitol as well. And it’s only fair: Satan hasn’t a single paid employee working for him, and the opposition has millions.

    Anyway, I knew that story would warm the cockles of your pinko-fag-godless-communist-atheist heart. No thanks necessary.

  218. R – you make a good point about the relevancy of the Brown video. Unfortunately, while the cops shouldn’t have released it, they did it in the face of hooliganism and trial-by-media of the cop, which is unfair also. Everybody on both sides should have kept their powder dry until they knew the FACTS of the case.

    I am told that the UK has strong restraints on press release of data concerning cases that will likely go to trial until after the trial has taken place. That will never happen in the US – maybe a good thing – but you have to admit it has a lot to recommend it.

  219. Rutherford what angle of the “national discussion” are you most invested in personally?

    Rabbit your statements about the caliphate stuff is spot on. I would add to it that much of ISIL behavior is based in the honest belief that they can will the state into legitimacy. It sounds crazy but it covers a lot of stuff like their annual reports,media actions and how they set up justice and services within occupied areas.
    The still represent a threat to more folks than they represent anything else,which is why I think they’ll ultimately face such multi prong opposition. Again such opposition will not necessarily be allied to our specific desires and plans but will happen.

    WHO has a really good information trove re Ebola. I like the sterile media of WHO and CDC direct better than the other stories. As bad and nasty as the Ebola virus (es) (5 types) are really stop fucking with dead monkeys,bats and the people that do and the case rate plummets. This isn’t a sneeze you’re dead thing. It’s other big spreader as pertains to Africa and the village way is that in asymptomatic and recovered males can have it in their semen for 7 to 60 days afterwards.

  220. “Talk foreign policy to me?”

    James, the very second she started in, any man with a single brain cell would be charged with assault with a dead weapon.

  221. OMG! So many atrocities being committed around the world and the media focus is on the color of a suit!

    “Other presidents who have taken on tan include Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush and Dwight Eisenhower. In fact, George W. Bush had a suit that his staff called Big Brown. As in, “Oh, no, he’s wearing Big Brown today.”

  222. Ha Ha Parker ! Now you know in such a situation, it is not WHAT she says but HOW she says it. Even the telephone directory.

    If Ebola mutates it might be easier to contract than it is now.

    i agree with Ragi.

  223. You know, I love it Pfesser Parker when you go on and on about the inanity of Palin, and religion, and all the rest. I really do, because the disconnect between you and the real world is cavernous and you think you’re so damn sophisticated and brilliant while you’re dissing it.

    Consider…

    Have you seen a picture of your bunk mates and the Flying Spaghetti Monster Crowd? Here’s the “Dark Lord” you ally… 😈

    Have a hoot in OKC, Mr. Sophisticate. 🙂

  224. Pretty scary, isn’t it Raji? The world has gone stark raving mad, to hell-in-a-handbasket, on fire; Slopeydopes are committing genocide and sawing five year olds in half; everyone in the know realizes the American economy is a facade and one more brick and it’s all she wrote; Ferguson burns on account of WHITE cop trying to SAVE HIMSELF; The Bear is back after Bammy’s reset; and the media after six abysmal years jumps on Obama…

    …for the color of suit.

    I’m sorry, but all you can do now is sit back and laugh. This country deserves to burn.

    ———–

    Sort of funny story. I’ve got a retired friend with more money than he knows what to do with. He’s been taking me back and forth this summer to share in his fortune – great businessman, no kids, fourth marriage – a Chinese internet bride as he got tired of writing prenuptials after #2. He says, “I’m successful with everything but women.”

    Anyway, I finally go to his primary residence (the lake place makes my home look like Section 8), and he’s fortified his residence with wrought iron, including the front door. It would take a front end loader to break through.

    I say, “Damn XXXX, this looks more like a fort.”

    “I’m preparing for the mob.”

    “Yeah, but you can’t take 500 of these thugs on by yourself.”

    “No, but I don’t need to. All I’ve got to do is pull this out (a 50 caliber cannon), several automatic weapons in the safe, two sniper rifles, etcera etcera and they’ll go for the neighbors.”

    I now know where I’m heading when all hell breaks loose. Take me about three minutes to get there and man a weapon.

    ISIS is going to have their hands full with this one.

  225. The article also says the Satanists are lobbying for a statue in the Oklahoma state capitol as well. And it’s only fair: Satan hasn’t a single paid employee working for him, and the opposition has millions.

    Wrong. Those assholes at the IRS don’t do it for free.

  226. James, everything I have researched shows Kiev and the western agents lying and MANipulating™ the facts to show Russia as the aggressor. Some of the evidence provided as ‘proof’ of this invasion has been identified as scenes from the video game ‘Flaming Cliffs 2’.

    Many Europeans have been vocal about the lies from world leaders and their presstitutes, trying to distance themselves from the bullshit. I don’t know if any western media has picked up on it.

    http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/#.U_4B3bdsZEE.twitter

    Much of our ‘news’ seems to distract from the real atrocities, much like Raji noting the brown suit diversion. I wonder how many here were aware of this protest:

    http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors-and-descendants-letter/

    There is now overwhelming PROOF that ISIS/ISIL/IS was trained in Jordan, backed by Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US of A. Just like al qaeda and operation gladio, we are the very ones that train and equip the terrorists to perpetuate the profitable wars like this war on terror. Orwell would be proud.

  227. Those assholes at the IRS don’t do it for free.

    lol. True dat. And what about the countless politicians? We know they aren’t working for us and it’s obvious they aren’t doing G-d’s work.

  228. Pretty scary, isn’t it Raji? The world has gone stark raving mad, to hell-in-a-handbasket, on fire; Slopeydopes are committing genocide and sawing five year olds in half; everyone in the know realizes the American economy is a facade and one more brick and it’s all she wrote; Ferguson burns on account of WHITE cop trying to SAVE HIMSELF; The Bear is back after Bammy’s reset; and the media after six abysmal years jumps on Obama…
    …for the color of suit.

    No mystery here…

    The presstitutes know the score, even when they helped perpetrate this fraud and keep him propped up. But they could see that the world was on fire, and still sleep at night as long as he kept up his end of the facade. Coming out looking like a kid from prep school answering his first invitation to a garden party so shortly after one of their own tribe met his fate at the hands of straight up savages has them rattled, and I doubt he could have salvaged the appearance even if he was streaked with the blood of several of ISIS’s Assholes for Allah before stepping to the mic.

  229. BIC, Glad you’re back.

    I’ve been arguing with the Catholic Church folks they are fighting this war on religion the wrong way. Let these Pfesser type folks put on their orgy and let everyone have a good look at the choices vis-a-vis a mass.

    I’ve also been arguing with my own kin that instead of getting bent about the Pfesser Parker types being apoplectic about putting up the 10 Commandment statues on the Capitol grounds funding by private monies, let the Dark Lords put up their statue right next to it. The juxtaposition says all you need to know. 🙂

    See…

    http://cnsnews.com/image/satan-statute-planned-oklahoma-capitol

    If this is what is appealing to the Leftists in America including the children (which were originally sitting in the lap of the statue before the dumb asses like Pfesser realized the suggestion), let everyone have a great look at it.

    What better way to advertise?

  230. Tex,

    It’s a subject I ruminate on a lot.

    Liberty is a tough concept to fully comprehend, and those old white guys who started this ball rolling and who are held in such low regard today I think understood it as well as any human can, largely because of the ubiquity of Christianity and the Bible in their time.

    Because of the deliberate de-emphasis on these two things in the present day, it becomes very easy to focus on the wrong elements, and when government deliberately acts to reduce or eliminate the consequences of poor choices, I think the reaction is to gently and firmly remind those who are paying attention that there is a correlation between poor choices and their consequences, and correlation between genuine liberty, including the liberty to make bad choices, and the cost of that liberty. I think that is the only way people can come to the realization that if liberty is to be preserved, it must be balanced with responsibility, and that any government that eliminates or mitigates the consequences of exercising liberty badly is in fact an enemy of liberty.

    Even so, the heart of the concept remains a personal relationship, and the fact that the way is narrow and few will find is one of those puzzle pieces I am constantly turning and placing into the larger picture in my head.

  231. Like you, the older I get, the more I ruminate on this simple yet most profound of fact.

    Jesus Christ is who He said He was, is, and will forever be. I am in no way ashamed to say that, nor is my faith blind.

    Well put. You haven’t lost your gift either.

  232. Jesus is our example. The Word made flesh. And, as his brother wrote instructing us:

    My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it–he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. – James 1:19-27

    Truth never appears in varying shades of Itself.

  233. Pools you are pathetic. Unknown, unnamed and unfounded sources don’t count silly rabbit. ( no offense dr)
    If you and yours were half committed to looking deeper into stuff as you are happy with being superficial lying douchebags it would be pretty interesting

  234. Poolman, suppose I pick on you at school. You duck as I swing at you and I bruise my fist.,In that sense In that respect Ukraine is the aggressor,

    I like the Ukrainians I have met and heard about. They value education and know how to care for their families. They have learned to cope with and survive a corrupt government and society So many hide their incomes through the underground economy authorities don’t really know now much the average Ukrainian earns.
    It is not uncommon for four generations of Ukranians to live in the same house.

    They know what life is like in neighboring Poland and how it compares to Ukraine. They want more ties with the West.

    Ukrainians are willing to fight and though they have numerous rough edges bordering on uncouth, we could use more of their spirit here. That’s in spite of antisemitism which led actress Mila Kunis’ family to move to the US.

    Consider past events. Russia pressured Ukraine’s government to refuse offers for closer ties with the west. The people revolted and forced out the government.

    Then, by a strange series of coincidences, Crimea suddenly wanted to be Russian and Russia invaded. Now that the Ukrainian government has been beating the rebels,” volunteers” and aid workers suddenly show up. They have sufficient weaponry to shoot down airplanes, including an airliner.

    Putin is a smart man. He knows better than to overtly send in official Russian troops He has said in effect, “I have invaded Ukraine because it belongs with Russia. Might makes right. What are you going to do about it?” We answer “little or nothing.”

  235. This one is for you,Poolman,

    Do you think Katy Perry or Miley Cyrus would do what VIKA is doing in the video? Would they interrupt their careers to finish work on an MA degree?

    She sings “I am not alone,” but Ukraine is essentially alone right now.

  236. This is also for you Poolman,. It is a knockoff of the original video. If you have time, I would appreciate your looking for the source of this video and its backing.

  237. This is the original produced by an American, i think. jula the narrator is a PHD candidate. Her new- found fame created demand for her speaking talents. She has spoken in several countries including Canada with a large Ukrainian population.

  238. Tigre, seriously, thank you for the lengthy, non dismissive answer. I’ve always felt the robbery spoke to character but one thing you and James brought up that had escaped me was how the robbery also spoke to state of mind. Even if the cop had little cause to approach the kid (I.e. Didn’t know about the robbery) that doesn’t mean Brown didn’t THINK the cop knew. And that would effect his response.

    It’s a shame there are some visible asshole cops making THIS cops case harder. I’m talking about the cop calling folks animals and the other cop who proudly told an audience “I’m a Christian but I’m also a killer. If you don’t want to get killed, stay out of my way.” Fortunately he just retired.

  239. There is now overwhelming PROOF that ISIS/ISIL/IS was trained in Jordan, backed by Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US of A.

    I have my doubts about US, Israel and Jordan but I wouldn’t put much past Saudi Arabia. We need to be self sufficient and stop sucking their dick. The Afghans are poor savages. The Saudis are rich ones — savage nevertheless.

    Hell, if Keystone could free us from Saudi Arabia — and I said if — then let’s just do it.

  240. let the Dark Lords put up their statue right next to it. The juxtaposition says all you need to know. 🙂

    This is exactly why I don’t edit or censor. I can sit back and drink my iced tea and let the self defeating argument do all the work.

  241. I think the reaction is to gently and firmly remind those who are paying attention that there is a correlation between poor choices and their consequences, and correlation between genuine liberty, including the liberty to make bad choices, and the cost of that liberty. I think that is the only way people can come to the realization that if liberty is to be preserved, it must be balanced with responsibility, and that any government that eliminates or mitigates the consequences of exercising liberty badly is in fact an enemy of liberty.

    BiC, minus the gratuitous religion-pimping, I actually agree with you 100%.

    In middle age it is dawning on me that action and consequence have been disconnected and it is particularly poisonous for blacks.

    While it was unconscionable to leave Brown’s body in the street uncovered for hours, the fact remains that he was a thug. We are involved in a chicken egg argument where ALL black misbehavior is blamed on a history of oppression. It has created the illusion that black criminals are being harassed just by being arrested and imprisoned. Their crime, the CAUSE Of their arrest becomes a side issue.

    I am reading an excerpt of a book by a black Wall Street Journal writer who is making your case about liberal policies gone wrong. If the excerpt stays as good as it has been so far, I may buy the book.

  242. Keystone won’t free us from Saudi Arabia, but it would help. We also need to let oil companies drill on government property.

  243. I am honestly proud of you Rutherford. Though you fight it, you are able to accept truth when it conflicts with your internalized beliefs. Many people don’t have the strength and flexibility to do that.

  244. This is exactly why I don’t edit or censor. I can sit back and drink my iced tea and let the self defeating argument do all the work.

    I hope this didn’t mean what I think you intended it to mean. {snicker}

    Did you take a good look at that statue? I think that has Pfesser written all over it. 🙂

  245. Poor choice of words upon explaining Michael Sam being cut from the Rams earlier today.

    “This was a football decision. Mike fit in very, very well. I was pulling for him and it didn’t work out.” ~ Coach Jeff Fisher

    😈 😈 😈

  246. Any religious skeptic with any truth views satanism as just as nutty as the other belief systems. Fuck, true religious skeptics turn a cocked eye to atheism as well.

    ism’s all have their down side. The only exception is Lawsonism. 🙂

  247. “Wrong. Those assholes at the IRS don’t do it for free.”
    There is no adequate comeback for that one. Touché.

    ************

    R – I’m down with Lawsonism – how does it work?

    *************

    “I think that is the only way people can come to the realization that if liberty is to be preserved, it must be balanced with responsibility, and that any government that eliminates or mitigates the consequences of exercising liberty badly is in fact an enemy of liberty.”

    Excellent thought, though not original, viz: “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.” – Herbert Spencer

    ************

    Raji – Welcome. A reasonable voice is always good to hear.

    **********

    James – And this is god’s own truth: I’d shag Palin, because she does have a cute arse, but only if she agreed to STFU – completely – during the procedure.

    And before.

    And after. Until I made it to my car.

  248. LOLOLOLOLOL Parker that Palin quip was a bullseye.

    As for the similarity of BiC’s and Spencer’s quotes, I don’t expect originality from anyone here. If an idea is good, it’s worth repeating.

  249. BiC, minus the gratuitous religion-pimping, I actually agree with you 100%.

    R, it isn’t about religion-pimping. It’s about understanding the examples and their influence on western civilization. The guys I’m referring to DID. They read Locke, Rutherford, and Blackstone. I know from reading some of their papers and correspondence that they were aware of the various mentions of “liberty” in the New Testament, and understood what it meant, and were able to reason out the concept of being saved by grace because the law set an impossible standard, and how the law was fulfilled. In truth, these concepts were understood by the average person in society, even if it was simply on a purely instinctual level. That understanding no longer exists, and we are all diminished because of it.

  250. Excellent thought, though not original, viz: “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.” – Herbert Spencer

    I don’t know the context Spencer was speaking to. I was thinking of how we all end up with fewer options and more regulation because government encourages irresponsibility by trying to bubble wrap life, and making the rest of us pay, directly, and indirectly, to protect people from consequences. The most powerful example will be when California can no longer pretend that there are no consequences for fiscal irresponsibility, and a Democrat led federal government will bail them out…at the expense of the rest of the country, which didn’t get to have the party, only the bill.

  251. ” In truth, these concepts were understood by the average person in society, even if it was simply on a purely instinctual level. That understanding no longer exists, and we are all diminished because of it.”

    Hmmm……have to think about that one. I think the average person in the Colonies was not particularly well educated, and the concepts that drove – especially Jefferson – were not something that would run through the mind of the average farmer as he was breeding hogs. Yes, when the FF’s put it in writing – God what a masterpiece the Declaration of American Independence! – I think many looked at it and said, yes, that’s right. It seems to me that, like EVERY big enterprise, the American Revolution was driven by a few very motivated men and the rest went along for the ride.

    re: today. I think that many today DO understand what is going on, but it is very hard to do anything. The US govt is far more powerful now, and it has had its tentacles in Americans’ hearts for a long time – to the point that they think the status quo is way it was always supposed to be.

  252. Palin or any other female not making any noise/speech etc is really more indicative to the males absolute inadequacies I’d imagine.

    I must agree with P on one matter though. I doubt the Founders truly were in sync with the masses and that America has always been a nation of power brokers enjoying the apathy of the People. Quite frankly our history would seem to indicate that our growth has allowed our human selfishness to gain the upper hand and go toe to toe with the concept of our morality and exceptionalism. My bottom line point is we were always kind of bastards it just when we had all the room and invisibility it was just so much easier to pretend we weren’t.

  253. I believe we all have an instinct for freedom, justice and fairness,Even dogs and some other animals do.

    A large number of colonists supported the crown and others were apothetic. Some of my ancestors fought in the Revolution. Others supported the home country, and they fled to Canada for health reasons.

  254. I doubt the Founders truly were in sync with the masses and that America has always been a nation of power brokers enjoying the apathy of the People.

    Hmmm…I don’t know if I would agree with that one, Alfie. Putting aside the inadequacies of communication, most of the New World then had put their own arses on the line to simply get here to begin with, signifying anything but apathy.

    Even as a kid, my grandfather used to tell me during the Roaring 20s, the general population was well read and engaged.

  255. “Why doesn’t he get your lecture?”

    He doesn’t try to pretend he understands the law based on some line he heard from the biased tee vee outlet. Not only do pretend to know, you speak authoritatively and lecture lawyers on it.

    When it comes to law or applying facts to law, at least ask, know what you’re talking about, or STFU. What Al Sharpton and the dipshits on MSNBC say don’t mean shit. They’re not trying to get it right.

    You recently tweeted something about Boehner not having standing in his lawsuit. Have you even tried to understand what that term means? You didn’t when it came to Obamacare and now you’re firing off tweets about it to people that know? Would Tex do that?

  256. I agree with Tex that people were knowledgable. An historian estimated that a third of the colonists supported the revolution, a third staying with Britain, and a third had no opinion. Pamphlets and newspapers flooded the colonies, and even in Britain, a pro-colonial movement existed.

    Some of the issues affected only parts of the population., Even many of the rebels considered themselves to be Englishmen. Some who opposed “taxation without representation” believed the differences could be worked out peacefully, thus preventing what was in effect a civil war. Rebellion was morally wrong.

    Making the break was equivalent to Rutherford’s becoming a Republican after learning that Obama is a twit.

  257. Parker, if the concepts you write of are on an instinctive level which I believe they are, they still exist.

    For example, most American colonists believed they should stay with the motherland because they were in fact British subjects separated by an ocean,They revolted because they believed the then current British policy was unfair and unjust. Had they still lived in England, they might have repeated some of that country’s domestic revolts.

    It is beginning to dawn on Europeans that “hoards” of immigrants are changing their traditions and cultures. Small parties ranging from Tea Party-like conservatives to radical leftists support limiting immigration.They also oppose the EU.

    A new British bi- election will be a potential political earth quake ir polls are right and a political turn- coat from the Tories wins with an expected wide margin.

    The Swedish Nazi party has changed its name, I think. They protested among several things, un- restrictive immigration. Mostly counter demonstrators turned violent.,The video I saw showed most to have dark skins.

    We could be witnessing the same sort of mostly peaceful revolution British subjects in the New World would have tried had they still lived in the UK.

  258. I think if there is one thing history teaches us it is that there is a schism between perception and reality.
    @ James I have similar familial history as you for the Colonial Period. A line that would be the adoptive parents of my grandfather left PA for Canada secondary Tory tendencies.
    Others were to be found in Maine and probably never cared what flag they were living under.
    I dare say there is every reason to believe some unknown bloodline relative was walking around wearing red.

    Colonial America era literacy was sketchy although there is something to be said about what was written,read and otherwise consumed. For ex Common Sense by Paine:

    As a long and violent abuse of power, is generally the Means of calling the right of it in question (and in Matters too which might never have been thought of, had not the Sufferers been aggravated into the inquiry) and as the King of England hath undertaken in his Own Right, to support the Parliament in what he calls Theirs, and as the good people of this country are grievously oppressed by the combination, they have an undoubted privilege to inquire into the pretensions of both, and equally to reject the usurpations of either.
    The laying of a Country desolate with Fire and Sword, declaring War against the natural rights of all Mankind, and extirpating the Defenders thereof from the Face of the Earth, is the Concern of every Man to whom Nature hath given the Power of feeling; of which Class, regardless of Party Censure, is The Author.
    Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries By a Government, which we might expect in a country Without Government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

    One might say “powerful stuff and true to the God etc etc.” I think it is clearer its jingoistic propaganda used to move people for the better of a few.
    I’m not trying to bash on America especially not in pool man fashion but we are what we are.
    1920’s had 6% illiteracy rate almost 80% in blacks. We were still the only “civilized” country sending our kids to factories and mines. Our society was jetting off into the age of unabated consumerism,moving to an urban dominant model and had internal fanatics stoking everything from socialism to Christian fundamentalism. Informed and engaged though? Actually I think both the American romantics and the bashers should look at how similar our engagement was. Radio and print media was as biased and agenda driven then as folks lament about today.
    I think some of what made us “great” in the early 20th would be viewed as crazy today. We didn’t send a lot of folks to college for example prior to WWII. In fact the folks we did send either were rich or were actually intelligent and deserving of the advanced ed. Our economy overall didn’t need the college educated anyway and as such as evidenced by the 1940’s having over 50% of the US pop educated to less than the 9th grade. I doubt we could even imagine reviewing our starry eyed college for all strategy that has been a cancer to us today.

    I guess I am just having a bad weekend. Seriously I am so f#$@ed up about some personal things and world things that I am just snapping on a number of points. Still I think I am stuck in the rut that is “America is all right,not great and thats ok”

  259. I hope things work out for you alfie. If you think about it, we share more similarities with Russians and the Sioux Nation than we care to admit.

  260. If there’s anything where the educated opinions don’t measure to the reality, Alfie, it’s higher education.

    And this is one thing I don’t need to ponder about the reality. I’ve been there, done that.

    Half of the kids going to college are wasting their time.

  261. America is still the best country by far on earth, considering the baggage it has to carry. Oh yes, I’m sure Switzerland and Canada and Denmark and New Zealand, etc… are all wonderful. Sound of Music, Mate Gretz…puke.

    Now let’s see them do it with millions of whining, winging, rioting bangers, beaners and thugs that they have to coddle and pacify with a sham like this insufferable imbecile and racist for President America currently keeps. These countries also irrelevant, far more homogenous and would find themselves with a Gestapo on the street corner if it wasn’t for mismanaged America. Tip of the cap to Australia for kicking the Muzzies out recently. I like this new Minister – take no prisoners.

    Tigre and BIC have broke me from the thought of ‘Let’s Kill All the Lawyers.’ But they’re going to have to work a lot harder to break me from let’s kill all the ‘White Leftists.’

    The point is this, Alfie. This country is no doubt $^$$%^ up. But as long as you can avoid where the Leftists and Obama maggots congregate and live, it still offers the most. And in Massachusetts, that’s a hell of a lot tougher for you to do than it is for me.

    I mean I enjoy Rutherford’s blog and the give and take. I’d move if he were my neighbor and purposely sell cheap to a meth addict. Who the fuck wants to live beside an Obama lovin’, MSNBC spoon fed, Christian bigot? Nobody in their right mind needs that.

  262. Maybe this is why you’re feeling a little blue, Alfie. And perhaps your concerns aren’t so overblown. Saw this…

    Let’s accept, arguendo, that the outgoing DIA chief is right, and that we are now in an era of danger similar to the mid-1930s. How did we get here? It’s worth looking back into the mists of time — an entire year, to Labor Day weekend 2013. What had not happened then? It’s quite a list, actually: the Chinese ADIZ, the Russian annexation of Crimea, the rise of ISIS, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the fall of Mosul, the end of Hungarian liberal democracy, the Central American refugee crisis, the Egyptian-UAE attacks on Libya, the extermination of Iraqi Christians, the Yazidi genocide, the scramble to revise NATO’s eastern-frontier defenses, the Kristallnacht-style pogroms in European cities, the reemergence of mainstream anti-Semitism, the third (or fourth, perhaps) American war in Iraq, racial riots in middle America, et cetera and ad nauseam.

    All that was in the future just one year ago.

    What is happening now is basically America’s version of “It’s a Wonderful Life.” The President of the United States — supported to an exceptional extent by an electorate both uncomprehending and untrusting of the outside world — is Clarence the Angel, and he’s showing us what the world would be like if we’d never been born, Unsurprisingly, Bedford Falls is now Pottersville, and it’s a terrible place. Unfortunately we do not get to revert to the tolerable if modest status quo at the end of the lesson: George Bailey will eventually have to shell the town and retake it street by street from Old Man Potter’s Spetsnaz.

    But the larger point here is not what’s happening, because what’s happening is obvious. Things are falling apart. The point is how fast it’s come. It takes the blood and labor of generations to build a general peace, and that peace is sustained by two pillars: a common moral vision, and force majeure. We spent a quarter-century chipping away at the latter, and finally discarded the former, and now that peace is gone. All this was the work of decades.

    Look back, again, to Labor Day weekend 2013, and understand one thing: its undoing was the work of mere months.

  263. I like the videos, James. I had seen the first before at your request. I think I posted this one here before, but it surely fits our day.

  264. He doesn’t try to pretend he understands the law based on some line he heard …

    I find your answer evasive. If I had the same tone along ideological lines simpatico with you, I would have gotten zero objection.

    As for John Boehner and standing … yes I have an accurate laymen’s understanding of what that means. If Congress cannot show personal injury they don’t have standing. Someone directly hurt by Obama’s delay WOULD have standing.

    Tell me how far off that is.

  265. Who the fuck wants to live beside an Obama lovin’, MSNBC spoon fed, Christian bigot? Nobody in their right mind needs that.

    How would you know? My neighbors have no idea I’m an “Obama lovin’, MSNBC spoon fed, Christian bigot”. 🙂

  266. My wife just lost her Grandpa today. Dad last week, Grandpa today.

    Grandpa was pretty unexpected, although he was older then dirt. It seems his death opened the flood gates.

  267. “If I had the same tone along ideological lines simpatico with you, I would have gotten zero objection.” -R

    That’s not true. When I grabbed the pitchforks over that Penn State molester and Casey Anthony, Tiger was all reasonable and shit.

  268. i like it Poolman.it does fit our mood. We need more music.

    We just had a severe thunderstorm, and now we are in a flood warning. Since a week ago Friday, six to seven inches of rain has fallen here. We are breaking records.

  269. How would you know? My neighbors have no idea I’m an “Obama lovin’, MSNBC spoon fed, Christian bigot”

    Mine was a hypothetical in case you do move – I’ll make sure a sexual predator purchases my place.

    What’s not hypothetical is when the neighbors witnessed a Hobbit walk into the Naperville pad the first time.

    They told me they’ve been “creeped out” ever since, Precious. 😈

  270. I’m not sure why your ignorant analogy applies, Precious.

    First, I know a few indisputable facts about the Ferguson mob.

    (1) They’re black
    (2) They’re thugs
    (3) They like stolen cigars and love strong arm tactics
    (4) They loot
    (5) They’re low lifes
    (6) QuikTrip ain’t rebuilding and now the thugs can live in the burnt out hell they deserve.
    (7) QuikTrip, perhaps the best run convenience store in America and most profitable, was barely breaking even in Ferguson because of the theft – indicating what all of America already knew – Black thugs are also thieves.

    Those last two tickle me to no end. Justice is going to prevail and there’s no stopping it, one way or another.

    America is segregating no matter how much the ‘diversity is our strength’ (cough cough) mantra is repeated because truth be known, we all like it that way and know that baloney is utter bullshit. The only morons that actually believed that were white Leftists and black public dole benefactors.

    Dinosaurs had their shot, and nature selected them for extinction. ~ Dr. Ian Malcolm

    🙂

  271. What’s not hypothetical is when the neighbors witnessed a Hobbit walk into the Naperville pad the first time.

    I’m sitting here wondering if that’s an upgrade from Gollum.

    At least I’m so unusual that I inspire science fiction references. 🙂

  272. Tex I don’t mind it in the least but you should know calling me “precious” makes you sound REAL gay. Kinda like when “Noah” used to call me “bitch”. Wonder whatever happened to him?

    Now to your comment. We have the mob on tape. If you want to try the mob, go for it. You’ve got an airtight case.

    But unfortunately we don’t have the Brown shooting on tape so we really don’t know wtf happened (yet). Please don’t forget that my best guess is that this bully and thug fucked with the wrong cop.

    I’m just a bit peeved that I make remarks about what happened based on legal opinions I’ve heard (albeit from libs) and you make your remarks based on your disgust with “black behavior” and I get kicked in the ass and you don’t.

    Ahhhh but I forgot. I’m pretending to be a lawyer and you’re just pretending to be a bigot so I’m the bad guy. 😈

  273. I am curious why none of you condemn what happened in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Is there a legit explanation why Brown lay in the street for hours? Or are you all gonna pull a Poolman on me and tell me it didn’t happen?

    Alfie, you’ve done EMT. Isn’t that an unusual amount of time for a person that was shot to be taken from the scene?

  274. Well, there is one thing for sure that separates us, Dark Frodo.

    My bigotry is well founded, as you just called it air tight. 😈 So do crime statistics.

    It’s this simple. If this strong armed thug fractured the cops orbital, thug is guilty and cop acted accordingly – actually too late.

    The injustice in that instance is the cop being railroaded, not the thug laying dead. But blatant bigotry, white Leftist cowardice as they need you to continue to be victim to maintain power, corrupt media like Colbert, and excuses/politics won’t allow that.

    I’m surprised an educated man like you is so willingly that you don’t understand the damage that is ensuing by making excuses for bad ‘black’ behavior. You can railroad this cop all you want, put on that retching, pretentious funeral which was a spectacle of Goliath proportions – driven by white hatred, as not 20 people would have been in attendance if thug had been killed by another black thug. If you were honest, you would admit that. That was Paul Wellstone orgy worthy.

    Your entire race is being marginalized more and more with each and every occurrence of these sordid scenes. The final outcome is predictable. White America is finally admitting there’s no use trying to work within the system, as most blacks are indoctrinated to hate whitey because they can’t help themselves. And white America is quietly starting to hate back and quit worrying about inane charges of racism and telling the shakedown artists to stuff it up their arses.

    Any smart black man like Ben Carson, even you to a lesser degree on those rare occasions where you drop the MSNBC pretense, is met with derision when you make note this is not the way to operate in a civilized society.

    If that makes me a RASIS to some brick like Densico and millions of other buffoonish dumb clucks, who gives a shit?

  275. It’s this simple. If this strong armed thug fractured the cops orbital, thug is guilty and cop acted accordingly – actually too late. …

    I agree with a good 80% of your comment here. Trayvon and Briown have turned black outrage into something deserving mockery.

    Tex I believe there is an interesting parallel between blacks and Muslims. Both groups are being judged by the worst of their tribe … but in both cases not enough of the good eggs are publicly condemning the bad ones. This leaves the whole bunch open to condemnation.

    I’m currently writing a part 2 of sorts to this post and hopefully I’ll publish tomorrow. We agree on this more than you imagine. I just find your approach a bit vulgar.

  276. Rutherford, as wild as this may seem, I think I understand thug community better than you do.

    You are aware that in many of these instances in predominately black neighborhoods, ambulances have been attacked with bricks and other assorted devices, requiring a police escort to simply pick up the body?

    I think your Muslim/Black analogy makes sense and have said as much amongst friends.

  277. “I find your answer evasive. If I had the same tone along ideological lines simpatico with you, I would have gotten zero objection.”

    That just ‘taint so. I’ve gotten on DR, Tex, Pfucker even that weird Nagic guy when I thought they did it. Hell, I even remember challenging DR on the lawsuits against teachers and Tex on gay rights. With you It’s always the air of authority you take on after some MSNBC ignoramuses settle on a pitch to further some political agenda that gets the eyes rolling. They’re easy to spot. They begin with broad pronouncements like, “You must remember boys and girls, the threshold issue is [insert non issue or mischaracterized argument].

    Hell, I don’t recall ever having successfully gotten you to bother reading the text of any opinion or argument I’ve linked to, the SCOTUS opinion in the Obamacare case being a primo example. You took some mighty sophisticated legal analysis and distilled it to point of such simplicity that it doesn’t resemble any arguments by the administration or ones that someone in their right mind would make without the expectation of getting their asses handed to them.

    Which leads to the standing question in the Boehner’s lawsuit that you claim to have accurate layman’s understanding of. Rather than feeling around, I’d say look at the pleadings for the basis of standing argued in favor of it. I’ll see if I can’t do the same. I have said before, the doctrine of standing is as complex as anything in the law. The best part is, your conclusion may be right (or at least find that the Court agrees with you).

    So, rather than feeling around or kicking it back, let’s start with this: “Rutherford says Congress doesn’t have a legally cognizable interest in executive action that usurps its Constitutional function because [insert reason here].”

    I have no opinion on it. If the large segment of legal pundits that are knowledgeable about it are on the mark, you have a really good chance of getting it right yourself. It would be cool if you knew why.

    In the meantime, you deserve the shit you receive.

  278. You know what really makes me salivate? Fuck Liz Warren. How ’bout Bernie Sanders for POTUS? No pretense there boys and girls. A self professed socialist.

    Sheeeeut now THAT would be an election, particularly if Romney takes a third run at it. GODDAM! (Just saw him interviewed on lib-prop and he’s thinking about it.)

  279. Worth re-posting:

    “Your entire race is being marginalized more and more with each and every occurrence of these sordid scenes. The final outcome is predictable. White America is finally admitting there’s no use trying to work within the system, as most blacks are indoctrinated to hate whitey because they can’t help themselves. And white America is quietly starting to hate back and quit worrying about inane charges of racism and telling the shakedown artists to stuff it up their arses.”

    Truer words were never spic, if you’ll excuse the phrase.

    I would add at the end: “and, thanks to ever-more-liberal American gun laws, more and more white Americans are arming themselves to the teeth.”

  280. “What’s not hypothetical is when the neighbors witnessed a Hobbit walk into the Naperville pad the first time.

    They told me they’ve been “creeped out” ever since, Precious.”

    That crosses the line. Be glad your host is a better man than you.

  281. I believe that’s true, Parker. The same process is repeating in Europe.

    Liberals are using the Travon-Micheal shootings for political gain. They are registering voters in Ferguson to find more blacks and inflame misguided anger for the next election, If Whites did that the news media and others would call them racists.

    Ironically the liberals who pander to and foster black victimhood and anger are the real racists. They don’t care about black economic progress when they support open borders and amnesty. Their policies hurt blacks and they are effectly hoodwinking the people they hurt.

    A more important issue is at play.

    There are more Hispanics than blacks and when they move here, they also vote. They are also hard workers, and if illegal, they work for less.

    A black caller to Rush Limbaugh wondered why Obama and the Democrats are working to ease the movement of Hispanics into the US while still placing heavy restrictions on Hatian and other black immigrants.

    I Canadian writer wrote that we are living through “Its a Wonderful Life”‘. We now know what the world would be like if the USA didn’t exist.,

  282. Betsy’s Page is also depressing this morning. There is no point in letting what you can’t change bother you. Instead, I watched this video to lift my spirits. My wife hit me when she saw it.

  283. Alfie, you’ve done EMT. Isn’t that an unusual amount of time for a person that was shot to be taken from the scene?

    Short answer: No
    Long form: It really a situation that most people don’t understand and that varies in efficiency over jurisdictions.
    What I’ve seen is an ambulance peeled off another call and arrived @ Brown and deemed the case to be no resuscitation indicated or perhaps in MO they can outright pronounce,MA we can’t.
    Then its all about investigative scene control. Lots of stuff starts happening and in less polished departments it can get long on clock due to honest attempts at diligence. That the storm clouds formed making scene control dicey can’t be discounted either.
    Some jurisdictions might have analyzed the facts quickly and scooped the body leaving markers but I think we all know there have been cases where folks complain in that scenario about LEO fixing the scene.

  284. That crosses the line. Be glad your host is a better man than you.

    No, he’s not. He more resembles a self-absorbed, Christian bigot like you. But truth be known, while I marginally give a crap about Rutherford’s life after a long association of give and take, you’re the one I have no use or concern for…

  285. add on to 394 bottom line FPD was in a no win situation from the tip off and the political theater that followed only assured the department and community are irreparably harmed for the ongoing future.

  286. Picking up on a theme in Rutherford and Tex latest stream…
    The country is experiencing some of it biggest poverty growth in areas deemed suburbs in the strictest sense. Communities outside of major metros are feeling the pinch as folks have been priced out of many metros in the environs and these smaller communities were almost always not prepared to provide the services without the tax base.
    The science behind how Ferguson developed is one that plays out throughout the nation in both Red and Blue state areas.
    It is actually going to get worse and as Tex noted there are actually communities that are fighting back very aggressively and harkening back to tactics seen in the 1940’s-70’s.
    For example there is a community in LA that is fighting via the ballot box to incorporate as its own town and school district. The slice that is looking for independence is predominantly white and exclusively middle class. The chunk in the county that will lose out on what most see as the better school in the area are black. The school has gained national notoriety secondary YouTube videos of fights etc in the school.
    Lets be clear there are whites and blacks on the side of striking out as an independent community. I imagine this too is something happening around the country especially in the areas that have seen growth and the county govt. model is proving undesirable.

  287. That started a long time ago, alfie. A group of people in Omaha was tired of the high crime rate in their part of the city, They bought a farm and turned it into an independent subdivision in in our county. it now looks like a tiny piece of Omaha. Most still commute to their old jobs in the city.

  288. Alfie,

    I’m not generally a huge fan of Pat Buchanan, but I never forget he’s also a very intelligent, prescient man in many respects.

    He wrote a column some weeks back about the Balkanization of America – something akin to Yugoslavia. Did you read it? If not, you should. He included a quote in there I thought delineated America then and now.

    In Federalist No. 2, John Jay wrote,

    Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs …

    —–

    That’s not this country anymore. We were fools to let this inferior multi-cultural, PC garbage take hold – from L.A. to Ferguson, MO. I want those people to loathe me anymore so we can be straight away with one another and part ways.

    I don’t know what’s troubling you personally, Alfie. And I hope it’s nothing major.

    But I imagine whatever is troubling you, you have this impeding sense of dread like so many of us do because it’s palpable, and that only adds to the frustration and confusion when your own life is in some sort of turmoil.

    We the great United States of America allowed ourselves to evolve – and it cost us dearly. Throw in we let American Leftists of all stripes take over public education, we’ve become a nation of fools since the Vietnam War and perhaps before. Some of us attribute it to different things or reasons, but we come to the same basic conclusion. Our days as a great nation are numbered without drastic change.

    Me personally, I’ve finally concluded to never forget who my real enemy is – the Left in America, I don’t care the color of their skin. If they’re white, I despise them more. I’d rather live next to Al Sharpton than Rachel Maddow.

    I’m not devoting my life to the betterment of helping those that hate me. That’s equally as foolish as adopting their inferior ways. It’s caving. And since we can’t separate ourselves in physical proximity, the next best thing to do is separate ourselves in everything else. Starve them of the ability to control you, to affect you as little as possible.

    It’s ironic that I’ve found the home of a Leftist’s blog that’s willing to allow me to shoot straight. It’s even more ironic at least in that sense, Rutherford’s got more courage that most “conservative” folks I meet to allow frank speech.

    If Ferguson, MO, proves anything, it ought to prove how fragile the system really is. This will come and go – but our problems as a country are something much, much deeper. The writing is on the wall where we are headed, and though it’s been discounted here by the same ship of fools who thought Obama capable, I am absolutely confident I’ll be proven right, though I wish I were wrong.

  289. Is there a legit explanation why Brown lay in the street for hours? Or are you all gonna pull a Poolman on me and tell me it didn’t happen?

    Ha-ha. Obviously Brown was killed. But what’s more obvious to me is the event was used as diversion by tptb to incite more division. Like this should be the national focus right now. 🙄 You know the protesters were trucked in, right?

    Isn’t that an unusual amount of time for a person that was shot to be taken from the scene?

    At Sandy Hook, they never removed the ‘bodies’. At least not while all the filming was taking place. Interesting side note to that case, as evidences are being slowly released. The hat that Adam was supposedly wearing happened to be made the following year. We’re either looking at some time travel trickery or some LEO fixing of the scene.

  290. Alfie and Tex, I believe you are right. I also read Pat Buchanan’s article.

    This began before the Vietnam War. Some of the anti-war protesters were called red diaper babies because their parents had been radical leftists during the Depression.

    Its awful to hope the next attack kills many leftists and others who helped destroy our country, but it is better than actually doing something violent.

    There is no point in worrying about what we can’t control as we do what is possible.

    I’m looking forward to a total eclipse of the sun due on Aug 21, 2017. I’ve been waiting since I first read about it when I was 15. My brother and friends saw a total eclipse in southern Canada in 1978 or so. I had planed to go, but I had to haul corn instead. We had bills to pay.

    If I still get upset, I will look at the last two videos I posted.

  291. I find myself in agreement with much of Buchanan’s latest writing. This one in particular rings of truth, though I don’t think he takes it far enough. More digging is needed, imo.

    This video goes deeper. Of course, being it’s 21 minutes it’s probably longer than most American males’ attention spans, especially given there’s no T and A.

  292. When I was last in CT, Bridgeport was the scene of rejuvenation and perhaps gentrification. Is that what you’re getting at Alfie? Prior to that it was a well known armpit.

  293. Well, R, on the four hours in the street, Google returned this bit from NYT — a trusted source for lefties and agitators:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/us/michael-brown-a-bodys-timeline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html?_r=0

    That took less than 30 seconds to locate.

    So, given your repeated questions about the delay in retrieving the body as a response to other issues, is the MSNBC meme on this that Brown was some kind of trophy killing? They left the body in the street to strike fear in the neighborhood or rub it in their faces? Or do all of the FDP from bottom to top and even the county investigators responsible for the forensic work have such little regard for blacks they prefer to let it rot in the sun?

    If I am brushing at the issue you seem to be getting at, you need turn of the God damned MSNBC and ask yourself a question of logics. What evidence do you have, anywhere, of the abject racial depravity, now not just the officer that shot, but nearly ever officer on the FDP that made a career decision to patrol this neighborhood? The reaction ain’t proof of shit and nor are the agenda driven musing of the agitators on MSNBC and the like that masturbate over incidents like this to exploit.

    Have you got any or are you content traveling on assumptions like the ones you can count on being disproved over and over followed by the ever changing narrative to fit the manufactured outrage to justify the rage?

  294. Forgive me this time. I am agitated at the grasping at straws from the liberal media and their cohorts. It just gets so fucking stupid after a while.

    In search of an injustice to whip up their viewers — never any regard for the victims they create along the way. Fuck.

  295. “In search of an injustice to whip up their viewers — never any regard for the victims they create along the way. Fuck.”

    This can be said of “your side” as well.

  296. Our world traveler posing as a president is now in Estonia. I share your anger El Tigre, but there is little point in dwelling on it.

    My reaction is “Tough Enough” by Estonians Vanilla Ninja. Obama should listen because time is short, but the cowardly SOB is too weak to heed their warning. That applies to the liberal news media who helped saddle us with this man.

    Their personal accomplishments compare favorably to theirs. After overcoming various forms of adversity, one is a mother, another is a lawyer while the third is a writer-producer. A fourth plays in a band in Los Angeles.

  297. The media is tasked with starting these fights and swaying opinion. That means whipping us up, both the right and the left. For the ‘side’ in question, I believe it first started with witches communism, then moved to socialism and onward to terrorism. That takes into account the latest constructed threat. Incidents of voter fraud or welfare fraud or illegal immigration or of nanny – unless nanny is playing uncle at the time, usually get the right’s dander up.

    Doesn’t really matter what the crowd is arguing about, as long it’s loud and a colorful smokescreen. Meanwhile we continue to stay the course.

  298. I’m curious about JAL’s comparisons.

    I the OWL coverage had two different slants. But the right’s criticisms of the anti-social behavior came along well after the movement started — and wouldn’t cease.

    I know the rancher in Utah had its coverage.

    I’m struggling with a Sandyhook, Trayvon, Brown type event though (Brown being community-crushing).

    It must exist, it just ain’t coming to mind.

  299. That lead from behind strategy from Obama worked out awesome in Libya. I remember Rutherford telling us “now that’s how its done right.”

    Reports that 12 passenger planes have gone missing in the anarchy Obama left behind there.

    I hope that is not true.

  300. I understand our military policy is no longer “Leading from Behind.”

    As a matter of policy and custom, and in the spirit of peace and cooperation in affiliation with the religion of peaceful head lopping, from this day forward the new Democratic model of foreign policy will be known as…

    “Leading from the Back Nine…”

  301. Rutherford, it appears we’ve had another fake beheading video surface. Supposedly this one is less believable, if that’s even possible. I don’t give the American public much credit for knowing the difference though. I wonder how many bombs this one will buy?

  302. Obama said in Estonia that the latest beheading shows the terrorists are losing. Can he be serious? Now, jets from Libya are missing. Losing?

    Osama bin ladin once said if given a choice, people chose the strong horse, Obama should “shut your mouth” and think before he speaks, He exudes weakness.

    The rest of the “don’t trust me” theme of this Estonian video applies to the president also, Too many people who trusted him are dead.

  303. Obama said in Estonia that the latest beheading shows the terrorists are losing. Can he be serious? Now, jets from Libya are missing. Losing?

    James shame on you. You took that wildly out of context. Obama said if ISIL thinks they are achieving something, they are wrong. That’s not what your paraphrase implies.

  304. The fact that ISIL/ISIS/IS/NUSRA/ALQAEDA/BOKOHARAN/ETC get prime time air and recognition from us means they are winning. You’d rather discuss semantics?

  305. Rutherford, I didn’t hear the quote. Someone on the news reported it that way. I haven’t had time to check the internet today. Besides, we lost our internet connection much of the day.

    I’m still right If Obama said “if ISIS thinks they are achieving something they are wrong” He is incorrect. ISIS has stolen and raised millions of dollars, they control large parts of two countries, and people from the US and other western nations are joining the cause.

    ISIS has accomplished more than most terrorist organizations have done in a short time. Obama’s speech was equivalent to telling a child who was just beaten up by bullies that he/she really won,

  306. James (and Poolman) Obama was talking long term. In the end they will lose. Of course that remains to be seen. If everyone sits on their hands, they will win.

    And Pools, yes, they are definitely winning the PR war.

  307. Even CNN was completely baffled over what the hell Obama was trying to say in Estonia.

    He goes from saying the ISIS must be wiped off of planet Earth to dryly claiming they are “manageable”.

    Manageable?

    Then the administration tries to claim the JV reference last winter wasn’t about ISIS. CNN fact checked this by going to the whole excerpt and laughed their asses off at how big of a whopper they laid on us. Again.

    They don’t seem to care about being caught in obvious lies. What does this tell you about the rank and file Obama fan and Democrats as a whole?

    This is a deeply humiliated administration that has completely loss direction.

  308. I could play devils advocate and question how one thinks ISIL is winning anything,I definitely don’t see how anyone can say they are winning the PR war.
    Think on it a bit harder folks.
    ISIL being on the minds of the West is not really conducive to them enjoying the fruits of their labors.
    ISIL branching out is primarily a net negative for Muslims as has every form of Islamic ism seen in our times.
    The narrative is all ready well underway on the Muslim street that ISIL goes too far,assumes too much and quite frankly crosses the line non Muslims have wondered about for decades now. That at some point those saying they stand for Islam are actually against it and those folks will be dealt with.
    Now whether you find ISIL a fallacy or something like that lets be clear of some classic Real Politik. Syria and Iraq are players in a field that much else rides on. The cast of players and the issues will not allow for hands to be sat upon.

  309. Like it or not and history will likely not judge him well but leading from behind has started to work. France has cancelled the Mistral sale to Russia.

  310. leading from behind has started to work.

    How can you come to that conclusion, Alfie? Al Qaeda now resides in our Libyan embassy, enjoying the pool we left them.

    And that is but one small example of how grossly inept Obama’s foreign policy has become. It’s more than a joke – it’s a disgrace.

    Most people, including those I have a great deal of respect for in opinion, feel Obama’s biggest foreign policy weakness is he vastly underestimates our enemies.

    I would say the real problem is that Obama, the malignant narcissist and his sycophants for cabinet, vastly overestimated Obama’s abilities, his foresight and his wisdom.

  311. I am trying to get my head around Rutherford’s take that we must kill every last member of ISIS after declaring “war on terror” a non sequitur.

    As one of my coworkers asked, when have we ever had military intervention with the sole objective of killing a non sovereign group deemed an enemy? No territorial protection or incursion. Just eradication.

    I was stumped.

  312. I could play devils advocate and question how one thinks ISIL is winning anything,I definitely don’t see how anyone can say they are winning the PR war.

    Seriously? Who even heard of these guys 2 years ago? Today, they’re a household name in the west.

    Many talented folks would kill (pun alert) for that kind of recognition.

  313. ISL’s name recognition isn’t equal to winning a PR war its the opposite of it. Seeing as you think ISIL is a Mossad CIA thing I don’t even know why I’m bothering.

    @Tex into every void something flows. I am not saying its good or bad or something most Americans will find comfortable but Obamas Void presents opportunities as well as dangers.

  314. Obama may have been talking about the future, but the reality is now. ISIS may have tarnished its name with us, but we are not the audience they care about. As of today ISIS has star quality for millions of people, including a minority of westerners who should know better. Mexican drug lords are also in ill repute, but they are doing well too. In fact there are reports the two groups are cooperating.

  315. Its good that France canceled the contract, but we need much more. That alone will not change Russia’s behavior. Russia has been making test incursions into Estonian and Finnish air space. I hope we are doing more in secret than we are doing openly.

    An Omaha woman provides an instructive lesson. She discovered a burglar in her home and she immediately took the action her husband had taught her.She aimed her pistol at the man and told him if he moved his brains would splatter on the floor,
    .She called the police and calmly waited until they arrived.

    She was not trigger happy, She was determined not to become a victim. Obama could take some lessons from her behavior. He is making us sound like victims. I’m not suggesting his rhetoric should rise to unrealistic levels, but Joe Biden’s Gates of Hell statement was superior to Obama’s manageble problem.

    The Baltic nations could also teach a lesson. As the Soviet Union crumbled, they waged what was called the “singing revolution,”

  316. This one is for you El Tigre. We came close to making killing the enemy as or more important than gaining territory. In this case, the enemy was soverign.

    This video shows how the concept of body count became strategy shttp://youtu.be/FxPeHqH4XxI.

  317. I have to tell you, Poolman; you seem like a nice guy, but I really don’t get you. Here is just one more (of many) reasons so many civilized people unequivocally support Israel:

    http://islamandtheabuseofwomen.blogspot.com/2011/12/thighing-of-female-children-in-islam.html

    Why is there any ambivalence by anybody, anywhere, at all?! This is clearly a fight to the finish between good and evil, and Israel is the tip of the spear against such darkness. There is no cure for Islam (except, that is, for the GE Vulcan cannon), and at least Israel is willing (maybe because it has no choice) to do it. Sheesh.

  318. I apologise for the length, but here is what unbridled Islamic immigration has done to the most civilized country in the world:

    — all the while as the “progressives” – what an oxymoron! – wring their hands and go after anybody who dares to speak the truth. Maybe these dhimmis should go and live with their darlings for a while.

  319. This is clearly a fight to the finish between good and evil, and Israel is the tip of the spear against such darkness.

    Oh, sure. 🙄 A clear fight? Tip of the spear, you say? Tip this.

  320. Poolman Both practices are disgusting and a throwback to primitive times, but to suggest there is some kind of equivalency between a one-time nonsexual ritual act upon an infant who will remember none of it, and repeated sexual rape of a six-year-old girl until the day when she grows large enough to accept sex the regular way – and who, by the way, will remember it all – is just silly.

  321. I am trying to get my head around Rutherford’s take that we must kill every last member of ISIS after declaring “war on terror” a non sequitur.

    Maybe this is semantics but I view ISIL as a quantifiable, identifiable entity. It is NOT a war on terror. It’s a war on ISIL and per Bush doctrine, a war on any country that harbors them.

  322. I agree with you Rutherford. ISIS is evolving into an “identifiable entity” which is merely the new face of a religopolitical organization which wants to conquer kill us.

  323. We have ISL in the US and Europe. Its mission is terror and establishment of caliphate. Although they may be better organized (or organized differently), they are no more sovereign or defined than Al Qaeda. Just more conspicuous.

    Just semantics, R. The only difference is whom you choose to follow.

  324. Israel is the tip of the spear against the incurable darkness that is Islam…what a load of shit…

    Israel supported the Islamists, including Hamas, with funding and weapons when the PLO was a thorn in its side. Once Hamas got the upper hand, they support(ed) Fatah (who, maybe you weren’t aware, are also Muslims) with funding and weapons.

    Israel supplied Iran with weapons during the Iran-Iraq War. You’re aware that Iran is ruled by Muslims, right?

    Israel has treaties with multiple Islamic countries, and works closely with some of them…including some that rule by hard-core Islamic law.

    Israel does what it feels it has to against its enemies. But this idea that Israel makes an enemy of Islam, itself, is as laughable as it is inaccurate.

  325. I’m glad you are still around,Huck.

    We may quibble about semantics. The reality is an ideological-religious enemy has wanted to destroy us for a very long time. They are as amorphous as a slime mold. It would be better for us if our enemy was part of a sovergn nation with uniformed solders,.

  326. @Huck –

    What are you saying? – you think Israel and the Islamists are buddies? My, my! Such naivete!

    The koran charges its followers with killing all nonbelievers, and the Arabs surrounding Israel have been attempting to do exactly that since the day Israel came into existence. You’re aware that Israelis can read, right?

    Do you really believe that Israel enters into any negotiations with ANY Islamic state or engages in any support of same, unless it furthers their own security? They understand that their enemy’s enemy is their friend – for the moment. Having problems with Iraq? We’ll help you. Want to kill Iranians? We’ll help you. Hate them a little more than you hate us? We’ll help you. It ain’t rocket surgery, for god’s sake …. Hell, look at your own post: even your own words kick your argument in the head.

    (thanks, by the way…)

    But please, tell us more about this “working closely.” I, for one, am intrigued by what exactly that means.

    Your ball.

  327. Just a warning: the brilliant boys at iPhone WordPress development swapped a few buttons around and the trash button is where the reply button used to be. If I accidentally trash someone’s comment when trying to reply to it, fear not. I’ll restore it later. It hasn’t happened yet but it could if I get careless.

    I could do better app development than these morons and I know zero mobile app development. At least I know not to put the trash button where the reply button used to be. 👿

  328. Biden’s gates of hell comment was so grammatically off the mark that if you listen to what he said, not what he meant, it translates to: “we will follow those mourning the dead to the gates of hell where they deserve to be.”

    LOL No wonder so many of you think he’s a doofus.

  329. Maybe I missed it Parker but I haven’t seen Israel say shit about ISIL. Maybe the fact that the latest victim was a closet Jew might push Israel to action.

    Could someone point me to the last time Israel helped anyone but Israel?

  330. “Could someone point me to the last time Israel helped anyone but Israel?”

    Point well taken, but once again one is reminded of Dr. Johnson’s missive: ‘Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully.’

    So does the prospect of being wiped off the face of the planet – after, of course, watching one’s family tortured to death without mercy. Maybe Israel has bigger fish to fry than taking care of others, right now.

    Survival comes to mind …

    **********

    re: Biden and grammar. Maybe we should put him and Palin together and do a M*A*S*H hidden microphone on them. Double word-salad – god, it’s mind-boggling.

  331. The notion that any non-nuclear power is going to wipe a nuclear power off the face of the Earth is utterly absurd.

    Israel’s constant drama about existential threat is getting old and they will find themselves with even fewer friends if they don’t change course. This latest war in Gaza prompted near unprecedented criticism of Israel. If I’m not mistaken they’ve just done another land grab on the West Bank.

    If anyone should know about genocide they should yet they haven’t said or done squat about the genocide being perpetrated by ISIL.

    Netanyahu is every bit the grievance hustler that Al Sharpton is — he just speaks better. And I’d bet Israel gets more US money than the entire black welfare state per year.

  332. “The notion that any non-nuclear power is going to wipe a nuclear power off the face of the Earth is utterly absurd.”

    That doesn’t mean they aren’t going to try. Continuously. Constantly prying for that unsuspected flaw…

    “Israel’s constant drama about existential threat is getting old”

    I don’t care.

    “and they will find themselves with even fewer friends”

    THEY don’t care. They have bigger fish to fry than worrying about the credulous hand-wringers and sob-sisters who carry water for the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah.

    This latest war in Gaza prompted near unprecedented criticism of Israel.

    a: I don’t care.
    b: They don’t care.
    c: It’s not true.
    d: See above, viz: “They have bigger … &c.

    “If I’m not mistaken they’ve just done another land grab on the West Bank.”

    Yep, when you can’t defend against a territory, one option is to make it yours. But of course, this ignores the elephant in the room: If Hamas stops firing rockets, nobody will have to take anything.

    “If anyone should know about genocide they should yet they haven’t said or done squat about the genocide being perpetrated by ISIL.”

    They have their own fish to fry. Put your own oxygen mask on first, then help those around you.

    “Netanyahu is every bit the grievance hustler that Al Sharpton is — he just speaks better.”

    A better brain with a better education will do that.

    “And I’d bet Israel gets more US money than the entire black welfare state per year.”

    That’s good because the US gets more for its money there.

  333. That doesn’t mean they aren’t going to try. Continuously. Constantly prying for that unsuspected flaw…

    I can TRY to be a football player but it ain’t ever gonna happen. Try and do are two different things.

    Yep, when you can’t defend against a territory, one option is to make it yours. But of course, this ignores the elephant in the room: If Hamas stops firing rockets, nobody will have to take anything.

    Ok maybe I’m not getting this. I thought the West Bank was under PA control, not Hamas. So I don’t get your point.

    That’s good because the US gets more for its money there.

    Remind me again what we get from Israel commensurate with what we give? Is assuaged guilt really worth a few billion a year?

    As for “I don’t care” … doesn’t really matter if you do or not. As for “fish to fry” when ISIL gets around to lopping more Jews heads off, maybe Bibi will smell the fish frying. That goes for the cowardly European countries too.

  334. As for “fish to fry” when ISIL gets around to lopping more Jews heads off, maybe Bibi will smell the fish frying.

    He’s not worried. It’s all a grand performance, anyway. Everything IS going per plan. Take it from Gilad, who was born into that world:

    “Back in 1982, Oded Yinon an Israeli journalist formerly attached to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, published a document titled ‘A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.’This Israeli commentator suggested that for Israel to maintain its regional superiority, it must fragment its surrounding Arab states into smaller units. The document, later labelled as ‘Yinon Plan’, implied that Arabs and Muslims killing each other in endless sectarian wars was, in effect, Israel’s insurance policy.

  335. @ Rutherford the moves by the Israelis in the WB are based on essentially one “neighborhood” which has a history of being more Hamas leaning. It is the area which the three Israelis are believed to have met their doom.

    As for Bibi v ISIL I don’t know exactly what it is you look for. Bibi really only has two positions on ISIL as it pertains to Israel and the region. #1 is that the Golan Heights will not be allowed to foster threats to Israel. He has made statements about how Israel will maintain a presence in the valley no matter what. Israel is obviously monitoring the actions in the bordering area of Syria up to and including reports that the IDF has fired into Syria.
    #2 Bibi is on record as to fostering the position that if Jordan is threatened and asks for help Israel would respond. This is based in what appears to be a plan of Israel to foster a positive in the evolving regional morass that ISIL is bringing.

    As for Israel getting along with the neighbors or at least the ones they want to… Cyprus,Jordan and now Egypt are all gonna be LNG customers. Lets keep it real that trade is still important to diplomacy and relations and that LNG isn’t the only thing happening.
    Parker I find your latest rather inane.

  336. “Rutherford, close your legs.”

    Parker is up under your skirt having his way.

    “Now you were saying something abut the US exterminating ISIS?”

    Comparing your fascinating sentiments regards the direct threats to Israel of which you tire to the indirect ISIS threat to the US the solution to which you contend requires extermination.

    Fear not. we will follow then to the gates of hell with all of the bad grammar that can be mustered from Obama’s retarded spokesman.

    Who knew it was all about assuaged guilt? By God, if there’s going to be any money thrown to assuage guilt, it’s going to got to black Americans. 🙄

    Just surfin’ your pretzel logic.

  337. “Netanyahu is every bit the grievance hustler that Al Sharpton is — he just speaks better.”

    Good Gawd, what a naive, poorly read rube.

    I don’t recall Al $harpton getting a standing ovation from both sides of Congress – immediately after the failed U.S. President tried to embarrass Netanyahu by never showing up. What an ass Obama is.

    Benjimin completely baffles Barack and is without doubt the best Western leader currently going. What’s that say about your President, the master of the teleprompter, when Netanyahu continually shoves it up the dope for President’s ass?

  338. Who knew it was all about assuaged guilt? By God, if there’s going to be any money thrown to assuage guilt, it’s going to got to black Americans.

    Yes. You are definitely right. I’ve always maintained that Chris Matthews is the biggest example of white guilt going right now.

  339. Arabs and Muslims killing each other in endless sectarian wars was, in effect, Israel’s insurance policy.

    Without getting into the usual Poolman conspiracy theories, I think this comment is true just by pure logic.

    I wish we could just detach and let them kill each other but unlike with Assad or Hussein, these folks bear us ill will. All the old Bush bullshit finally applies. Kill them over there or they will kill us over here.

  340. Tex, two things:
    1. Congress falls over itself to kiss Israel’s ass. Jackie Mason could be PM of Israel and he’d get a standing o.

    2. Bozo the clown could insult Obama and at least 50% of Congress would applaud.

    I truly hope I “know” you long enough to see how you react when Israel crosses a line that even you find distasteful. I’m not sure that line exists for you though.

  341. ” Is assuaged guilt really worth a few billion a year? ”

    Precisely. That’s why the US should send its money to Israel, instead.

    Israel gives these nuts a place to focus and a war they can’t win. Summat like the old saw about, “When you’re up to your ass in alligators, it’s hard to remember that your objective was to drain the swamp.” I guess the word is “proxy” – and we need one, since we can’t come up with a coherent policy to deal with these lunatic whirling dervishes ourselves. Yes, I know Dervishes are Persian, Rutherford; it’s called a simile.

    Bush I did, I think, an admirable job with Hussein. He got a lot of criticism, but his “incomplete” conquest turned to be just what the doctor ordered.

    Bush Junior wouldn’t listen to his advisors, who had actually been in combat, and kicked the hornets’ nest, but good. Now Obama is even worse, and that’s a high bar, my friend.

  342. Biden’s best line was when he helped celebrate a politician in Missouri and said something like “stand up so we can recognize you.” Then, he realized the man was in a wheel chair.

    Given Obama’s record, Bozo the Clown would probably be right.

    One of Bush the Younger’s mistakes is he listened too closely to Iraqi expatriots who wanted Hussein deposed for their own reasons,.

    Drudge links to an ad for a Fox News documentary “13 Hours At Benghazi.” Three men in the security force said a top CIA official in Libya ordered them to wait 30 minutes before they attempted a counter attack.

  343. Here’s where America – and much of the West in general – needs to put its welfare money: reforming its schools. Not throwing money at them – reforming them. You know, the “give a man a fish” vs “teach a man to fish” thing?

  344. I truly hope I “know” you long enough to see how you react when Israel crosses a line that even you find distasteful. I’m not sure that line exists for you though.

    I hope you long enough you an actually come to a justifiable conclusion about much of anything. The one thing about you, Rutherford.

    You’re predictably wrong about the character of the people you choose to love.

  345. “All the old Bush bullshit finally applies. Kill them over there or they will kill us over here.”
    -R

    Rutherford’s already been asked….so I don’t expect an answer….but what in the hell is the difference between now and 2001?

    I don’t get it. Al Queda and ISIS are the same thing.

    Repeat. ISIS and Al Queda are the same thing.

    Obama allowed the formation of Al Quedastan while trying his hardest to lie about “Al Queda on the run.” Benghazi makes even more sense now.

    Sure…he will continue to lie…the latest a massive whopper about who he was referring to as Junior Varsity (as if we all don’t have access to the transcript).

    I don’t get how Rutherford can still go with the “he’s just mediocre” garbage.

    I’ve never seen a president punked out by the world more. I’ve also never seen lies on this level before.

    Truth means nothing. Getting caught lying means nothing as well. This guy depends on an ignorant and divided home front and nothing more. That is his presidency. Ignorance is his only fuel.

  346. I don’t get how Rutherford can still go with the “he’s just mediocre” garbage.

    In line with my rational Rutherford a terribly poor judge of character. Rutherford is weak like Obama, paralleling his idiocy especially in foreign affairs – poorly, poorly read.

    Perhaps a little less thuggish, though. 😈

  347. Even using Rutherford’s logic of a mediocre president, Obama and the rest of his cast would only achieve mediocrity in their dreams. He said he would change the United States and he has.

    Rutherford may be “predictably wrong” but we are predictably right. He should take heed.

    Its a shame that we have a record number of unemployed and a record number of immigrant workers. If our school system was better as Parker muses, more of us would understand how the Democrats of Obama’s stripe are robbing the people for political gain and ideology.

  348. “Truth means nothing.”

    Isn’t that disturbing?

    Unlike most religions – Islam being one exception if I’m not mistaken – Leftism permits lying under specific conditions.

  349. Ferguson police should just roll up their windows and turn on the air conditioning and let the malcontents do as they please.

  350. Muffy glad to see you’re “better”. We know you’re feeling well when the snark level returns to normal.

    Contrary to what you might think there are no heroes in Ferguson except perhaps the black county cop who helped calm things down.

    The shooter, if he has a decent bone in his body has to live with killing an unarmed man who now has no chance to turn his life around.

    The family, if they are at all honest, must live with the fact they raised a stupid thug who got killed precisely for acting like a thug.

    It’s a lose-lose. Rather than roll up their windows the Ferguson police should learn how to do their fucking jobs without all the military accoutrements.

  351. what in the hell is the difference between now and 2001?

    I don’t get it. Al Queda and ISIS are the same thing.

    You guys kill me when you put down my FP knowledge after uttering moronic statements.

    Everyone agrees we should have gone into Afghanistan in the aftermath of 9/11. Of course we botched it and let Osama get away.

    Al Qaida was NOT in Iraq when we invaded. There was NO reason to go into Iraq. None. So you cannot compare the invasion of Iraq with the ISIL situation now … other than to say ISIL would NOT be there if we hadn’t destabilized Iraq in the first place.

    Second, ISIL so nasty even Al Qaeda disavows them.

    Third, Al Qaeda liked to kill Americans but they aren’t land grabbers. For all intents and purposes Northern Iraq is now “The State of Islam” complete with “police” and “public services”.

    So yes, much of what Bush said back then was bullshit. Much of it applies NOW.

  352. Rutherford, when you see these large violent outbursts by feral savages, does it make you respect the 2nd Amendment a little more?

  353. @ Rutherford two points of disagreement.
    #1. The FPD deserves a little more consideration than your do their fucking job without military accoutrements thing. You clearly have issues with the situation and your take away seems to be shallow.
    #2. Al Qaeda welcomes the notion of a Caliphate and is willing to have existing states to simply adopt strict Islam principles and call it a day. Other than that the distaste they have for pretty much every established government on the planet makes them dangerous.
    I’ll give you one thing. I don’t get the discussion about questioning ISILs sovereignty. Quite frankly they have tried very hard to paint themselves as an organized state. That others choose not to acknowledge them isn’t the disqualifier for killing them.

  354. It depends on which savages you’re referring to 🙂

    Waging WAR has never to my mind been a 2nd amendment issue. In war time, the more guns the better.

    If you’re referring to Ferguson, the cops certainly didn’t need the 2nd amendment. I guess the owner of the store that got destroyed would have liked to have a gun. Can’t really blame him. The crowd reacts to the guy being robbed by their thug hero by wrecking his store. Fucked up I must say.

    Guy recently got acquitted for manslaughter for killing the drunk driver who killed his kid. Dude left scene of accident, went home to get gun, then returned to blow the drunk away. Jury found him not guilty.

    You tellin’ me 2nd amendment ain’t murky?

  355. “Bush and Cheney lies” -Rutherford

    Like I said, ignorance is the fuel for these people. Case and point ^^^^

    Why not call it the Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton lie? Or the Joe Biden lie? Or the Great Britain lie?

    Or 80 percent of the Senate lie?

    Or the Saddam Hussein lie….he even pretended he had them. (And actually probably did).

    Actually….he did have them after all!

    Lies are not the same as a wrongheaded consensus.

    Obama would have faked a massive WMD cache. I have no doubt about that.

    See the difference?

    Obama was WRONG about ISIS but now LIES about his comments in the first place. Typical.

  356. Rutherford the Ignorant,

    The goal of Al Queda is to set up a stinkbeard caliphate. Land grab was always the goal for them. The goal of ISIS is to…rrrrrrrrabit drum roll….set up a stinkbeard caliphate.

    BOTH WANT TO KILL AMERICANS.

    ISIS was a wing of Al Queda who thought the land grab should happen now instead of two decades from now.

    Its just a difference in timing.

    There was disagreement within the Jap military on when to attack America and how Japan should conduct the war. It still was Japan!

  357. “Guy recently got acquitted for manslaughter for killing the drunk driver who killed his kid. Dude left scene of accident, went home to get gun, then returned to blow the drunk away. Jury found him not guilty.” -R

    Yeah….because that example had a lot to do with the 2nd amendment. Dude could have showed up with 9 iron and killed the injured and dazed drunk driver.

    Brilliant.

    So…what might have been a sympathetic jury…..oh never mind. You are a dunce.

    I just sit back and enjoy James telling you “told you so” on virtually every thing.

  358. Actually….he did have them after all!

    I’m not convinced of that but let’s say he did. So what? He was no threat to America.

    Lawson Doctrine: when a strong arm dictator screws over his own people and poses no threat to America, mind your own damn business and stay out of it.

    If my doctrine was followed, Qadaffi, Mubarek and Hussein would still be in charge and the world would be a much safer place.

    Rightly or wrongly, Obama sees it as his place to tamp things down. Hence JV team, and the recent “social media exaggerates these things”. We can’t have everyone screaming “gates of hell” like Biden.

    Though I must say even Dianne Feinstein says Obama is being cautious to a fault.

  359. Rabbit the “all weapons are the same” argument is beyond stupid. The gun kills in a second. Unless you’re damn handy with the nine iron, it’s gonna take a bit more time.

    Oh yeah, I forgot. That nine year old accidentally killed her golf instructor with a nine iron. 😆

  360. “Lawson Doctrine: when a strong arm dictator screws over his own people and poses no threat to America, mind your own damn business and stay out of it.”

    Again says the guy that wants Obama to exterminate ISIS.

    Alfie, what are you giving R credit for? I don’t get your comment about sovereignty. If it was directed at me, I am looking for a strain of consistency that can’t be found. That’s all.

    There’s nothing murky bout the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms is simple. Whether or no they’re used properly when they’re used can be murky. Confusing the two a product of ignorance. .

  361. 5 more IRS employees with missing emails. From the Cincinnati office. New released on Friday evening.

    Nothing burger my ass.

  362. Oh and Rabbit, Bush and Cheney lies cost us thousands of American men and women so stop all the sanctimony.

    I love it when the pussy, Stephen Colbert cock sucker named Rutherford believes he speaks for the men who actually fought the Iraq war. Listen up, dumb ass. Our military loves G.W. Bush. They hate your Obama POS’s guts. Put that to memory before you open your stupid pie hole next time.

    Rutherford, the military guys that actually fought in the Iraq War would find you the dregs of the earth. If America was made up of nothing but worthless and weak assholes like you, the American military would cut your head of themselves. Better yet, they might just run your greasy head over with a tank to lube the treads.

    There are subjects you’re too stupid to speak about. The Iraq War is one of them. You don’t know you’re profoundly ignorant ass from a hole in the ground like your epically failed President.

    There’s a great book talking about how overrated and worthless these so called Ivy League of institutes of learning are – how the students are psychotic. LOL. That book ought to have your picture on the cover.

  363. “Unless you’re damn handy with the nine iron, it’s gonna take a bit more time”

    Bubble boy….turn the teevee off. One swing of a 9 iron down on someone’s head and grey matter splats.

    Also….interesting how I point out Obama lying, you then come up with really lame example of Bush lying. When I call you on it…you then want to debate the invasion of Iraq. Run. Run. Run.

    Again…why not call it the Biden lie or the World Consensus Lie?
    .”

  364. Headlines linked to Drudge show black unemployment is now 11.4% A record 92,269,000 Americans are not working. A record number of foreign- born people are working in the US.

    The IRS has lost the e mails from five more employees.

    Benghazi survivors were ordered to delay a response to the attack on the annex.

    The administration displayed its opportunistic racism by sending more representatives to the funeral than they did to Margaret Thatcher’s funeral.

    The immigration court back log is now 400,000 cases “and growing.”
    Previously deported aliens kidnapped a teenager in Arizona. A Mexican drug trafficker crossed the border at least seven times.

    Doug Schoen’s book “The Russia-China Axis The New Cold War and Americas’ Crisis of Leadership” wrote that Obama’s America is “a passive, confused and ineffective superpower. He clams Obama’s policies are placing us all in grave danger.Schoen is a Clinton ally and he is probably laying the ground work to show Hillary as a contrast to Obama, but as we know, Hillary is no better.

    The French CEO, Hollande once compared himself to Obama. Like Obama, he has sunk into poll illrepute . Sarkozi looks better than he, and a French version of the Tea Party also is more popular than it was.

    Someone wrote in the comments. At least Holland is not a foreigner as Obama is.

    As I told you before, Obama is a socialist. He was in league with the New Party when he was still a state senator, I also told you Obama is a foreigner in the sense that he espouses a brand of socialism which was imported into this country. He doesn’t care about our borders, and he wants to weaken our military and political strength.

    At least giving lip service to our military is another American tradition foreign to our president.He barely does that. During the Sequester and shut down, Obama let government employees stop WW11 veterans from seeing their memorial. I believe an immigrant demonstration was allowed,, but I may not have recalled that incident accurately.

    Sami singer-activist Sofia Jannok correctly uses a term, which applies to the government we have now. “occupying regime.”

    All of these events are ill refutable. You cannot deny them. In fact you have also come to believe some of the charges are true. i take some satisfaction in directing my anger and dismay into a simple pleasure. WE TOLD YOU SO.

  365. Sofia Jannok uses her music career to further her political objectives. She is as tough as the image we have of Sarah Palin, and critics describe her as a woman of steel.

    Jannok wears a sun ring to ward off evil spirits. it would be useful if she ever met Obama, a man of plastic.

  366. lol. The threat of Palin. Wheww!! That one came and went. We avoided that mess, right? Out of the frying pan and into the fire, as they say. Just one distraction in the ongoing and seemingly endless flood of the same. One day, when we all wake up, we’ll see clearly the constant barrage put forth to keep us from honing in on truth. One day soon. One can already see how carefully crafted our delusion has been simply by watching yesterday’s movies and news reels.

    https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/the_american_delusion_distracted_diverted_and_insulated_from_the_grim_reali

  367. I love how the guy with the mommy issues and the guy that smokes weed while inhaling chlorine fumes freak out over Palin after putting that fucking retard Biden in the vp slot.

  368. The Weekly Standard Magazine “The Blood-Dimmed Tide” by William Kristol quotes Yeats “Second Coming.”

    “Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned.”

    Good old Sarah Palin is like Sofia Jannok, more of a traditional man in spirit than Obama. He is a self-loving weakling enthralled by his own reflection..assuming that is, he casts a reflection.

  369. Tigre, I think Biden is worse than Palin could have been. You misinterpret my rant. My sarcasm must escape you. ‘Out of the frying pan into the fire’ was me comparing the two. John McCain is just as dirty as Bo Bo and would have had us nuked by now. The fact that we chose the later only delays the inevitable.

  370. I’m hearing TX gov candidate Wendy Davis reveals she had a second abortion. This one because the all knowing doctor told her the baby would be a vegetable. Her life was not at risk. I say you have the baby and you roll the dice. James granddaughter is living proof of this.

    Davis thinks this will put a positive spin on abortion rights. I ain’t buying it. As a disabled person I particularly resent the notion that a kid isn’t even given a chance to beat the odds.

  371. Again says the guy that wants Obama to exterminate ISIS.

    Do you argue just for the fun of it? ISIL has killed two Americans and has a bunch of folks with passports who can bring havoc here. If you think this is limited to Iraq and Syria, you’re not paying attention.

    My Lawson Doctrine does not contradict this at all.

  372. There’s a great book talking about how overrated and worthless these so called Ivy League of institutes of learning are – how the students are psychotic. LOL. That book ought to have your picture on the cover.

    Once again more meaningless ad hominem. Your hero Bush, a puppet of the dangerously paranoid Cheney, demolished a government in which ISIL could not have flourished.

    You create a vacuum in these nut job Muslim countries and the nuttiest of the bunch try to take over.

    I’ve got news for you pal. The only thing more detestable than a wimp who opposes a dumb war is a non combatant who cheers on sending the boys and girls to slaughter while he sits on his fat ass without any sacrifice.

  373. James the three guys claiming the 30 minute stand down order are pimping their new book. Are you at all curious how much of the profits will go to military charities?

    They’re almost worse than traitors. Making money off Steven’s dead body.

  374. LOL I just reread my last paragraph to Tex and I see how folks could apply that to me and ISIL. In my defense, if they wanted to raise taxes to fight ISIL, I’d give willingly.

    Another Bush fuck up — fighting the war with zero sacrifice from the American people. Except for the 1% fighting on behalf of … what?

  375. “Do you argue just for the fun of it? ISIL has killed two Americans and has a bunch of folks with passports who can bring havoc here. If you think this is limited to Iraq and Syria, you’re not paying attention.”

    Huh? Oh. I see. Look out Mexico, here we come.

    And Israel? Have at it.

    That’s some mighty consistent logic there Rutherford. 🙄

  376. Mmmm Mexico and Israel. Ok.

    It could be argued that if Mexico can’t control drug cartels to the extent that Americans are getting killed, then maybe we SHOULD consider some action against them.

    Israel? I’ve never said they shouldn’t keep their country safe. I just said they went waaaaaay overboard with little or no concern for collateral damage.

    If you’re getting at something else then please elaborate. As usual your arguments are opaque.

  377. Didn’t you just describe a war on terror? No boundaries. Threats to Americans domestically and abroad?

    Nothing opaque at all. I am looking for consistency.

  378. And Biden is a fucking retard. Obama’s selection of him speaks to his judgment. Your willingness to overlook that speaks to yours. Palin, who holds no office yet consumes your prurient thoughts and misplaced anger and has shown a better grasp of the threat our enemies pose than your idiot-in-chief, changes none of that. Biden belongs to you, mo fo. 😆

  379. If you’re gonna blow up countries, you’d better have some proof. The ‘it never happened’ holds just as much weight as claiming it did, given all we have is a few poorly performed videos and the word of ‘terrorists’. But maybe you know more than I. Somehow it is real to you if the teevee says so.

    Biden’s way more entrenched in DC politics than Palin, and a lawyer that had practiced both criminal AND corporate law. In other words, an experienced rule bender. He’s another that started as a republican and later changed teams jerseys. I do think a Palin vp would have been more entertaining.

  380. Since you brought it up Rutherford, its true doctors suggested our grand daughter might be better off aborted, and later, they thought she would be two or three years developmentally delayed.

    Yesterday, before we came home, I taught her how to scroll down and up web site pages. Our daughter thought indulgent Grandpa was at it again and reading too much into our grand daughter’s random actions. I know differently and recorded it to be sure. She has hints of being ambidextrous as I am. She pushed the button to move the page. First, she used her left hand, and then she switched to her right hand with the same intent expression,

    She knows the difference between toy and real electronics. She likes the real thing and turns the television on whenever she sees a remote control. She also switches stations.

    She knows how to turn on my digital camera and take pictures. She isn’t interested in much more than making the camera flash.She also likes to look at pictures stored on the camera. I didn’t show her. She figured it out for herself, and by watching me.

    She can now unlock the baby gate, and this week my wife stopped her from dismantling the baby monitor. She had pushed a chair under the baby monitor and was intently working on it when my wife saw her.

    Our grand daughter is slow to speak. She may say a word and refuse to repeat it. She can say “all done” after she eats, but she doesn’t want to say it. She has leaned she will remain in her high chair unless she says the two magic words.

    She uses signs and gestures. However, she “talks” frequently with a cadence and varied sounds which sound like a foreign language. She often laughs as if she is telling herself a joke.

    Our grand daughter likes books and often asks us to read to her. A few minutes ago our daughter and son in law read a book to her and she jabbered as she does. In the middle of her tirade, she said clearly ” I like to read.” She reverted to jabbering as our daughter asked her husband “did you hear that?” “Yes.”

    Our daughter called to tell us. The girl is only fourteen months old, so she might not have known what she was saying, but after all of the negative information doctors gave her parents, positive news is good.

    Our grand daughter is happy, and she has a sense of humor. Imagine, Rutherford, how many normal children like our grand daughter would be alive today if they weren’t aborted before they had a chance.

  381. Yes, I know those three men are pimping a book. It would be good if they donated some of the profits to help survivors of the attack. That is a different issue than the veracity of their message. If they are telling the truth it is a serious indictment of the State Department and CIA coordination, judgement and chain of command.

    If what they said was true, why did their superior tell them to wait? Where did the order originate? I have heard this story before and think they are telling the truth. I could be wrong. We need an intensive investigation to determine the truth,

  382. Rutherford thinking he occupies a catbird seat? That is entertaining.

    Who does the “he” refer to? I’ve never claimed any profound insight. In fact I think what I’ve said on ISIL is common sense based on current evidence.

    Palin IS entertaining in a “Real Housewives” sorta way. If I didn’t care about the country it would have been a hoot to watch McCain try to control his rogue VP. It would have been fun. Obama has not been fun.

    I honestly don’t know what to make of Biden. I think he’s genuine (past plagiarism aside). I think he identifies with “real Americans” more than the cloistered Obama. I have heard bipartisan support for his FP chops. But DAMN he doesn’t come off too bright.

  383. Yes, Bush and his allies demolished a country which would not have let terrorist groups like Al quiada thrive,However, after wrong decisions the military got it right and provided the blue print of an evolution into stability. Even Obama and Biden said that as they tried to take some of the credit,

    Our military needed to be in Iraq for a generation at least. Obama believed otherwise, We see the result now. One of the nations which Obama watched unravel was Egypt, but they took matters into their own hands and deposed the Muslim Brotherhood, Now, spectator Obama is unpopular in Egypt.,

  384. Our grand daughter is happy, and she has a sense of humor. Imagine, Rutherford, how many normal children like our grand daughter would be alive today if they weren’t aborted before they had a chance.

    I was afraid I might offend you James using your granddaughter as example. I’m glad you took it as the tribute it was.

    Abortion vis-a-vis “suboptimal” children has always bothered me. It’s one reason why, contrary to popular belief around here, I’ve never been 100% pro-choice.

    I’m finding another odd thing about getting older. Just as so many of you are getting sick of blacks “whining” I am getting sick of women doing the same. My life has been an odd arc. In my youth I was a card carrying MCP. That was incompatible with Harvard and I was “reformed”. I’m now turning back to the dark side which doesn’t bode well since I live with two women.

    Shit I’m surprised with the estrogen level in the Taylor home (at least when they were all together) that Tex isn’t a fucking Alan Alda.

  385. I appreciate the tribute. You also gave me a chance to brag about our grand daughter. I agree about women’s victimization.

    If you think Sarah Palin is entertaining in a Real Housewives sort of way, imagine Sofia Jannok in a reindeer herder sort of way,

  386. “Who does the “he” refer to?”

    The “he” is you.

    Topic: Palin.

    Biden not too bright? Maybe you should ask him:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/biden-flashback-i-think-i-probably-have-a-much-higher-iq-than-you-do/article/2510443

    😆 😆 😆

    Every word an outright lie.

    That’s your boy.

    A phony moron of epic proportions.

    A phony moron that Obama can’t control.

    A phony moron that you put in office — twice.

    An embarrassment.

    And 6 years later we’re stuck with him. Let me know when you’re done making a video about him succeeding Obama.

    You did know Biden was Obama’s running mate when you made that video, didn’t you? 😆

    _______________________

    I don’t know what you think you’re right about with ISIL. I say kill every one of those fuckers and laugh as we do it.

    In other words, prosecute the war on terror as you suggest. . . sometimes. 🙄

  387. Sarah’s detractors call her stupid. Sofia’s detractors call her a mongoloid mongrel. So they also have that in common,

  388. Rutherford, I think its pretty telling that you respond to my complaining about Obama’s lies with classic liberal ignorance from a decade ago. “Bush lied people died” is such bull shit I feel almost a sense of embarrassment for you. Its Poolman idiocy to think a global consensus can be a lie.

    You then think you’re slick and spark a debate on the war itself.

    A lame deflection but you know this. Punk stuff.

    Which brings me to my original point. Obama doesn’t care about massive lies. He survives on ignorance and division. You are classic.

  389. Iraq isn’t a big supplier to the USA they are number 3 or 4 within OPEC and then pale in comparison to domestic production,Canada and Mexico.
    They are however surging and have a better future ahead of themselves as they have been able to pass Iran in production.

    As for Afghanistan and rare earths. It will undoubtedly be a scenario not unlike the gas pipelines one back in the day. I dare say the folks in Elk Creek nebraska won’t be cashing in anytime soon either though. Currently looking at 2015 at the earliest before they start getting the niobium out of there,a Canadian company no less.

  390. I was listening to the University of Nebraska football game when they played a bit of a Kerli song as bumper music. Your whinny women comment made me post this.Kerli had a hard life in Estonia. She considered suicide and stopped cutting herself only when she decided the pain inside was greater than the pain she inflicted on herself.

    She took responsibility for her future life and this song explains her attitude. Your wife might like it.

  391. “James the three guys claiming the 30 minute stand down order are pimping their new book. Are you at all curious how much of the profits will go to military charities?

    They’re almost worse than traitors. Making money off Steven’s dead body.”

    I’m sickened by this comment. Moreover I can no longer separate you from your derisory and ignoble rhetoric. You call these men “almost worse than traitors.” You wiseass cretin.

    Steven’s dead body was avoidable but you wouldn’t know that. You’d rather cast aspersions on the men who didn’t avoid their responsibilities that night and ignore their friends’ repeated pleas for help. Three of those men died trying to save lives and they had to disobey orders to do it. And you disparage the worth of the ones who made it out alive because you have no idea what it takes to be like them.

    I don’t entirely blame you for being afraid to even look but at least shut your stupid mouth about people who aren’t afraid and about circumstances you know nothing about.

    Someone gave the order to stand down – thrice. Even after the order was finally rejected – real and robust support didn’t arrive until 13 hours later and everything was over, and two dead men who did not have to die had to be thrown off the roof to be collected and shipped home to their families.

    Obama and Clinton did not do their duty that night. They hid out. And to cover their asses for hiding out this administration and their spokespeople lied and blamed a fucking video as though Islam was the aggrieved party here merely and understandably taking their revenge.

  392. alfie. a war breaks countries in often unknown ways. Occupation is part of the cost of war. Leaving too soon is penny wise and pound foolish. If we don’t want to bear the whole cost of fighting, we ought not invade.

  393. Somehow, I got an extra letter on my e mail address, hence my last statement’s being put under moderation.

    Hillary’s role in events leading to the attack and afterward should disqualify her from public life.

  394. Muffy, that was a guided missile of prose up that ass of of everyone of these MSNBC Obama apologists.

    You remind me that sometimes the pen really is mightier then the sword.

  395. And….after reading my last comment a reminder of what fumbling inarticulate goon I am.

    In my defense I’m watching Michigan fight the fighting Micks.

  396. Muffy, as I recall one of the only convincing parts of the book “The Benghazi Hoax” was the clear dismissal of the “stand down order”. And if you want to produce folks to support the stand down order scenario they sure as fuck better not be folks who stand to profit by their testimony.

    What book would sell better Muffy? The book that claims that shit happens and we did the best we could OR the book that feeds the Benghazi furor?

    I watched these three interviewed by Brett Bair last night and the most talkative of the three did not have the demeanor consistent with his story. No anger. No real emotion. In fact he looked almost surprised that Bair was eating up his story. I could almost see his brain churning “damn, this stuff really sells”.

    You are aware that the last person to fuel the Benghazi outrage was proven a liar and CBS was disgraced for giving him a platform.

    To use Tex’s favorite phrase, if you believe everything someone in a uniform tells you then you are A RUBE.

  397. Muffy, that was a guided missile of prose up that ass of of everyone of these MSNBC Obama apologists.

    On the contrary, it was the ravings of a military fan-girl who doesn’t even care when supposed “truth” comes with a profit motive. It’s actually kinda pathetic.

  398. Yeah Muffy. You should be more like Rutherford and take the word of the proven liars. 🙄

    Rutherford is discriminating in the sources he deems reliable. MSNBC and rebroadcasts of MSNBC. He knows a nothing burger when he sees one. 😆

  399. Yes Rutherford, I believe we left South Vietnam too soon. The nation’s leaders knew Nixon was betraying them during the peace negotiations because they knew the reality of politics was turning us against the war and anyone connected with it.

    We won most of the major battles including at 437 the “Battle of la Drang.” If you haven’t already seen it, I wish you would watch. You would better appreciate how tough it was and how tough our warriors were.

    In spite of the agreement, the North intended to invade at a more opportune time. They also knew they won the war on “America’s college campuses” not in battle. They were waiting for us to leave.

    The South Vietnamese made lavish use of mobile warfare we taught them, and they were holding their own. Had we maintained an advisory military presence and continued giving aid, I think the war would have evolved into a Korean style stalemate. We would have had to stay as we do in Korea.

    Our abrupt departure with the cessation of aid caused South Vietnam to collapse from what was originally a test incursion from the North.Many people died. At the very least, we should have evacuated as many as we could before we bugged out.

  400. R: Shit I’m surprised with the estrogen level in the Taylor home (at least when they were all together) that Tex isn’t a fucking Alan Alda.

    Rutherford, ever read Thurber’s Walter Mitty?

  401. Crap….my phone is screwing up.

    Michigan sucks.

    Pathetic. Ever since those West Virginia crooks pissed on Bo’s and Lloyd’s hard nosed Michigan blue print, we haven’t been relevant.

    Deal with the devil and it back fired.

  402. At the very least, we should have evacuated as many as we could before we bugged out.

    James there is a documentary coming out somehow involving Rory Kennedy (daughter of Bobby I think) that focuses on the evacuation – I think 1975. It profiles Americans who “broke the law” to get as many South Vietnamese out as they could. May end up being a good film.

  403. Global consensus? 😆 That’s hilarious. That’s almost as funny as settled science. The fact that you seriously believe there is such a thing cracks me up.

  404. “You are aware I watched Winken, Blinken and Nod on Fox, right?”

    You are aware I said “sources [you] deem reliable,” right?

    “In fact he looked almost surprised that Bair was eating up his story. I could almost see his brain churning “damn, this stuff really sells”.” No. 540.

    You can’t even remember what you just wrote. Your tweets are awesome too.

    Back to your MSNBC induced coma. Nothing burgers. Mika said so.

    Muffy’s got you pegged.

  405. From Chinese intelligence to German. From Russian intelligence to British. From Nancy Pelosi to Senator Kennedy. From President Clinton to President Bush. From Al Gore to Dick Cheney. All made passionate arguments about WMD in Iraq. The quotes are endless.

    The notion of WMD in Iraq might very well have been the greatest bipartisan stance in my adult life.

    But I’m glad you are rushing in to the fill the void caused by Rutherford’s intellectual dishonesty and cowardice when making the claim the war started by a lie. You make my point for me.

    I knew you would talk and I knew Rutherford would balk.

  406. Interesting, Rutherford. It might be worth seeing. Thousands of people did get out.

    A Sioux City television meteorologist was a jovial sort and involved in many community activities. Since I reported the weather, we got to know each other a bit and visit for hours. Under it all, he exuded traces of sadness.

    He was one of the last American service men to get out of Saigon, and I sometimes wondered if a residue of that time still lived in him. I never got the chance to consider asking., He died in a car wreck twenty years ago,

  407. El Tigre, Coach Pelini was furious about their performance. Had it not been for a play near the end, they might have lost. They have a long week of practice ahead.

  408. “(at least when they were all together) ” -Pfessor

    I didn’t get the Alan Alda reference. Is that another barb about Tex’s family? Out of the blue.

    Hey Pfarker, your grown up son move out of the house yet? Or did the 50% collapse of bitcoin when you guys bought at the peak screw that up. And all the shit you guys bought to mine them too. Sheesh.

    I remember you gave the young man permission to buy a cat. Its cool you are letting him keep his dignity. I’m sure there are a lot of cool pics of it on Reddit. I sense some estrogen in your household too. Stickpussy.

    I’ll try to find him in the World of Warcraft forum and say hi.

    I know you were signing him up for computer classes a while ago. Oh well…..you can lead a horse to water.

  409. R: Shit I’m surprised with the estrogen level in the Taylor home (at least when they were all together) that Tex isn’t a fucking Alan Alda.

    You talking about family like is like Rutherford talking about military strategy…

    Swing, baby swing.

  410. I’ve got news for you pal. The only thing more detestable than a wimp who opposes a dumb war is a non combatant who cheers on sending the boys and girls to slaughter while he sits on his fat ass without any sacrifice.

    LOL.

    I got news for you pal. This vacuum you criticize has now been created in not one country but by five by Barack Obama. Where’s your loud condemnation, Rachel?

    You don’t know one damn soldier. You don’t even know how to load a gun.I know these soldiers personally as friends. I can assure you, they don’t like you. They detest you. How’s that make you feel? 😈

    But you’re in good company. They don’t like Barry either.

    Every time you try and get manly, I about shit myself laughing. You frighten me almost as much as Chris Hayes. 😛

  411. WOW lots of confusion here. Pfarker only quoted me. I’m the one who made the comment about Tex and it WASN’T a shot against his family. “At least when they were all living together” was simply a reference to when his wife was at home and his kids were not grown. Clearly Tex is NOT swimming in estrogen now.

    It was meant mostly in humor to simply say living with only women might effect ones judgement. The Alan Alda reference which I thought was pretty clear referred to his feminist reputation … or maybe I’m confusing him with Phil Donahue.

  412. “WOW lots of confusion here. Pfarker only quoted me.”

    Guess I totally read it wrong. My apologies….go ahead and delete my insulting post.

    I thought it was a mean spirited attack on the guy’s family. I’ve seen pictures of this family so it makes me more apt to defend their honor since they are clearly as classy as it gets.

  413. DR so have I and Tex is indeed a lucky man. A very fine looking family and I meant no insult.

    If you go back and read my original comment you will see I was simply saying my growing intolerance for female whining might not be compatible with my own estrogen filled household. And I drew a parallel with Tex’s female filled home.

  414. LOL sorry Tex but your “if Rutherford was white” didn’t insult me in the least. I think Chris Hayes is a thoughtful well meaning guy who genuinely wants a better world. I very much like the guy.

    I’m surprised you’re not more put off by Chris Matthews or Ed Schultz. At least one could objectively find them obnoxious. Even Rachel’s pedantic style gets old. But Chris Hayes? I guess putting him down makes you guys feel macho cos Chris seems kinda soft.

    Whatever.

  415. I now understand why so many conservatives are a bit deranged. I’m watching Judge Jeannine interview Sean Smith’s grieving mother about the “Benghazi smoking gun”. The mother ends the interview by saying she just wants Hillary to admit she made a mistake. The cross-eyed Judge couldn’t leave well enough alone and asks this sad woman “did Hillary make a mistake or did she lie?” Yup, had to twist the knife — as though THAT question would bring any comfort. But you see the “judge” couldn’t let the interview end without making Hillary evil. So of course the mother replied “she lied”.

    I watched the end of the interview tonight with the 3 contractors (remember we now outsource our army — it’s all big bucks — almost surprised the guys didn’t have Indian accents) and they said they “think” had they been allowed to move faster the four Americans might still be alive. Do you folks realize we have spent two years on coulda woulda shoulda? Most mental health pros say its a bad state of mind to be in.

    If you want to get steamed about the video excuse, be my guest. I see legit outrage there. But to say these men “were left to die” goes too far.

    Even if the three contractors are not pimping their own book, it’s pretty clear they need a scapegoat for their harrowing experience. In the situation they were in it is natural to say “I coulda done so much more if only THEY let me.”

    I think that you and your Fox heroes are not letting women like Mrs. Smith get on with their lives. Judge Jeannine was exploitative to say the least.

    I swear after watching some of Fox, I feel like I need a bath.

  416. Hahahahahahahahah. A man crush. Chaz was a little to masculine for ya, eh?

    Don’t worry. Chrissy will bring a loofa and make it all better. He just wants a better country. . . .

    which is why he was practically masturbating on teevee in Ferguson when sent there to help whip things up.

  417. R, I wish you had enough self awareness to see how funny it is reading a guy like you, who LIVES MSNBC and walks you around like Sandusky in the showers, spout melodramatic outrage over Fox. It’s pretty funny.

    Okay, we’ll disbelieve the shady contractors in favor of your remorseless proven liars R. Your ability to size ’em up is truly remarkable. Your fellow jurors commend you. 😆

  418. ” I’ve seen pictures of this family so it makes me more apt to defend their honor since they are clearly as classy as it gets.”

    Now there’s some kind of talent. “I saw a family portrait and can tell they have class.”

    Anybody can put on nice clothes. Instead of judging a book by its cover, how about reading post after post after post on blog after blog to get the flavor of what actually goes on inside that classy fella’s head? Posts, for example, that call a crippled man “Precious” – as in Gollum? Now there’s class for you, all right. Posts that call for the worst kind of death for people with whose politics he happens to disagree. Yeah, class. Tons of it.

    Or would that kind of judgment require actually separating a hard-shell jingoistic right-wing agenda that you happen to agree with from an objective judgement about “class?” – whatever that is.

    Don’t bother. It takes too much thought.

  419. Rutherford, I didn’t watch the show, so I will take your word for it. I have seen exploitive news shows before. Left and right do it.

    However, a grieving mother cannot get on with her life. As the retired commander in the Vietnam video I posted said, “There are some events that are so overwhelming that you can’t simply be a witness You can’t be above it. You can’t be neutral, You can’t be untouched by it…You live it, you experience it, and it will be with you all of your days.,”

    That mother will adapt to her loss, but she will never be the same until she dies. She cannot get on with her life. it is gone.

    I know from personal experience, when I was used as bait that Hillary took the mother and her son’s lives though negligence and incompetence. Then she lied about it.

    Those contractors could be related to slime mold. it doesn’t matter. What matters is did someone up the chain of command tell soldiers to wait before they counter attacked? Being told to stand down is a different issue than Hillary’s and the president’s previous blindness and later passivity during the event.

    Not standing down is still a question which needs to be investigated. Hillary’s lies and passivity are fact.

    I recognized the territory two days after the attack and wrote that Obama should be impeached. When I came home, I was filled with the anger and rage I felt again after Benghazi. I used music to calm down,

    ‘That poor woman and others like her don’t have that privilege. They buried sons who should have mourned at their funerals, and the administration did leave them to die through actions taken over the previous few months..

    Why can’t you understand the Benghazi attack is like most other situations, made of various parts, some of which are irrelevant to others? The fact is in one way or another, THOSE MEN WERE LEFT TO DIE, AND LEADERS WHO WERE OBLIGATED TO DEFEND THEM DID NOTHING. Then, they lied about it.

    I am so angry, I’d like to use my knowledge of explosives, but instead….

  420. In case you still don’t understand about getting on with one’s life, watch this. The singer is describing her emotions after her sister killed herself ” When you cried I wiped away all of your tears, When you screamed I’d fight away all of your tears. You still have all of me.”. “I try so hard to tell myself that you’re gone,, but though you’re still with me, I’ve been alone all along….”

    Hillary and Obama’s policies did that.

  421. A quick collection of “class.”

    “And your own children will curse you when you’re gone for failing them so spectacularly, you ignorant, tainted, dumb cluck. You’re not worthy two dead flies.”

    “But I was thinking of something where I could take out a city block and 72 buffed dudes would magically appear for the slopeydopes.”

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slope

    “I actually find myself hoping ISIS cuts off a bunch of your pal’s heads off. I mean that. I’m rooting for a bunch of Leftists in America to be beheaded. I hope Colbert is one. I can hardly keep two hands on the keyboard of the thought of them holding Colbert’s head like a basket catch. Orgasmic…”

    “I’d move if he (Rutherford) were my neighbor and purposely sell cheap to a meth addict. Who the fuck wants to live beside an Obama lovin’, MSNBC spoon fed, Christian bigot?”

    “What’s not hypothetical is when the neighbors witnessed a Hobbit walk into the Naperville pad the first time. They told me they’ve been “creeped out” ever since, Precious.”

    “If America was made up of nothing but worthless and weak assholes like you, the American military would cut your head of themselves. Better yet, they might just run your greasy head over with a tank to lube the treads.”

    Yeah. Class. Real class.

  422. James cuts to the chase: “The fact is in one way or another, THOSE MEN WERE LEFT TO DIE, AND LEADERS WHO WERE OBLIGATED TO DEFEND THEM DID NOTHING. Then, they lied about it.”

    Yes. Absolutely perfect.

    ***************

    You want some class, Hafling? Here’s your man. Watch, study and learn.

  423. James I love you like the farming tornado chasing elder I don’t have any longer but I have to say you’re coming off as needing to lower your red meat intake especially the Red State Faux Angus steer coming from the Bundy Ranch et al.
    People can’t ask for more investigations without reading the volumes put forth already especially since many are from GOP committees. Seriously, that a person wants the narrative to read a certain way does not change facts.
    All along I’ve delved into the reports that both sides try to pry headline sound bite hysteria fomenting nonsense out of. The dry gin truth is far superior.
    FACTS ARE:
    CIA far more involved than ever imagined in the immediate aftermath.
    State clearly negligent in security operations.
    Rescue team from CIA….NO STAND DOWN ORDER. Delayed by less than 25 minutes due to the CIA being the CIA yes! That it took an additional 25 minutes for the team to hit the mission site true. That Smith and Stevens dead within that 50 minute frame seems clear.
    Woods and Doherty were from TRIPOLI team not from the team that writes the latest book.

    Dismissing these facts in your Obama witch hunt is giving Clinton and State a pass they don’t deserve. It also tries vainly to paint negligence where danger exists at a level requiring no such aid.

  424. The more lengthy the volumes get on the “lies” the more insane with rage I get. We The People are losing our grip on the hammer that should be coming down on head of HRC political futures and on whatever it is that puts the leviathan bureaucracy on notice that we see things we don’t like so the Fox crowd et al deserve much props in fucking up this country….BRAVO!
    The lies about the videos are indeed heinous. They have a special level of shit to me since the facts were clear all through 2012 that unrest in North Africa was real. Intelligence saw it all,MSM in many corners spoke to it yet when the shit hits the fan it was a surprise?!?
    Screaming “Stevens was left to die” is only true if you apply it to the time long before the attack. In that context he was indeed left for dead. In hostile area with crappy locals providing the bulk of security it was really just a matter of time that he experienced real harm.

  425. Read you 586 three times and you lost me. Is your rage directed at liar-chief and lying bitch trying for to be liar-in-chief, the liars in the state department that lie to back their lies or the people that assume their lying?

    Or are you angry at the ones exploiting their lies with lies?

    I’m going to stick with being mad at the ones that were elected to represent and lead the country and shamelessly lie to protect their lying asses with impunity.

  426. ET I’m mad at the Fox types who are lying about lies and ignoring truths that could be used to assure some of the other lies would cost those liars dearly.

  427. Here, Rutherford. You could learn something in this article, but you won’t. Take a look at the United States economic future under the direction of men like Barack Obama – because Barack’s position is not too awfully different than Hugo Chavez’s position was 15 years ago.

    Venezuela Set To Import Oil

    Venezuela’s oil production, which accounts for 95 percent of the country’s export earnings, should be used in world classrooms as a textbook case of what happens when a populist government starts distributing a country’s wealth in cash subsidies, without investing in maintenance and innovation. Much like happened with Cuba’s once flourishing sugar industry, Venezuela’s Chávez-inspired populism has destroyed the goose that laid the golden eggs.

    In 1999, when Chávez took office, PDVSA had 51,000 employees and produced 63 barrels of crude a day per employee. Fifteen years later, PDVSA had 140,000 employees, and produced 20 barrels of crude a day per employee, according to an Aug. 14 report by the France Press news agency.

    Venezuela’s net oil exports have plummeted from 3.1 million barrels a day in 1997 to 1.7 million barrels a day in 2013, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates.

    And the only reason the United States is not there yet is because our economy flourished for so long, that the material stuff is hiding the rot.

    Bad times are coming for people who haven’t been squirreling away….

  428. Tigre, I used to think Pfesser was at least intelligent, if not twisted.

    But I’ve learned he’s not that either. 😈

    I met a bunch of his type while I cruised through medical school for a year. They have a knack for taking boards and the like, but their decisions in life, their ability to think critically, and their judgement about quality of people indicated to me that they are truly dumber than a box of rocks and most of their lives are a mess; ala “Parker” the pervert.

    —-

    Here Parker. I’m going to teach you something so you don’t read so stupid next time. There’s a site called ‘Jihad Watch’ that will help you learn what the pejorative ‘slopeydope’ means for those loving ‘Religion of Pieces’ types. I’m too lazy to find it for you.

    Halfling is 1/2 more than I wanted to be in retrospect. Unlike you, I wasn’t idiot enough to complete and stay in a profession I hated for my entire adult life. If you think that a weakness, who cares? Nobody likes you. 😛

    You might want to think about your disconnect between your complaints of your own employment burdens before they ran you off because you’re a dickhead, and your current situation Geraldo Parker, if you’re going to continue to use that in the pejorative. They can read their own damn X-rays.

    P.S. – My use of the word Precious and Gollum for Rutherford has nothing to do with him “being a cripple.” LOL Apparently, you didn’t watch the Lord of Ring series, or you might realize that, dolt.

    Now call the FBI and have me arrested.

  429. One other thing, Parker, classy person that I am.

    If there’s one person on this board who I am hoping gets to live under the tyranny living hell head lopping beauty of a real ‘Dominionists’, I do pray it is you. I can hardly keep two hands on the keyboard thinking about that beauty. Ahhhh…..

    I can’t imagine a person on earth I hope gets a lesson in the delicacies of ‘Purified’ Islam slopeydopeness. 😈

    And while you look up that definition, you can gain insight into the term ‘car swarm’, which is another one I use on occasion so you won’t think I’m referring to a Ferrari or something next time. 😉

  430. The men were ordered to WAIT. Using the phrase “stand down” incorrectly leaves just enough room for the slimy worms to slither through.

    So the men that Rutherford comfortably calls “worse than traitors” were ordered to WAIT. Better F Lee?

    ”…they said they “think” had they been allowed to move faster the four Americans might still be alive. Do you folks realize we have spent two years on coulda woulda shoulda? Most mental health pros say its a bad state of mind to be in.”

    Rutherford is the last guy that ought to call this one out. He’s the dissembler who voted for a house cat because the other guy “would have been worse.” If hindsight is 20-20 then what is this prescient super X-ray vision that Rutherford straps on from his living room? Why he can see through the teevee right into their hearts – it’s amazing.

    These guys don’t sound to me like they were lost in the “fog of war.” That was Hillary. In retrospect Obama should get a free pass because in all fairness he was probably asleep at the time. Big day tomorrow, Vegas baby.

    Salami, Baloney, Dereliction, Cowardice, Unaccountability. .

  431. 585 Thanks alfie. I have calmed a bit. I know that Stevens and the others were “allowed to die through negligence dating back at least a few months. I know they were given a wait, not stand down order. Why?

    Protocol be damned in emergencies. I helped save a life because I broke rules. I want to know who was too cautious to issue the wait order. Perhaps the authority figure thought he would send them into a trap. That would be a legitimate consideration. I’d like to know.

    I remember how it felt to know my superiors who after promising safety put me in a position which nearly got me killed. They intended to do it from the beginning through four months. It was for the greater good, but I deserved to know. The same thing happened at Benghazi, through a long term policy, not the night’s events. This storm was building for a long time as you wrote.

    You say investigations have found the relevant information, Well then, where is it? Who made the policy which failed to reduce the danger? Why is it not on CBS News or the New York Times? The liberal news papers may slip something in at the end of an article on the back page, but that isn’t good enough. Why have Democrats tried to block investigations?

    Those four men were left to die as early as June or before. They just didn’t know it.

    Fox types lying about lies are just as bad, but” what at this point does it matter?” Who cares? I believe a significant number of people if asked would believe that Ben Gazy is a noted Brazilian soccer player.

  432. ET I’m mad at the Fox types who are lying about lies and ignoring truths that could be used to assure some of the other lies would cost those liars dearly.

    Wow I think this nails it.

    Histrionics muddy, they don’t clarify. They also polarize, preventing a cooperative investigation of what happened.

    Part of the problem is the heart of the Benghazi tragedy is a REACTIVE admin. Stevens should not have been there. Clinton should have bought him home. But “reactive” is not sexy. It doesn’t set anyone’s hair on fire. And shit, that’s no fun. That won’t get you clicks and eyeballs.

    I submit it is the most mundane and ordinary failures that are at the core of the Benghazi tragedy and that doesn’t square with the Fox narrative that Obama hates the troops and hates America.

  433. My use of the word Precious and Gollum for Rutherford has nothing to do with him “being a cripple.”

    Heck I never even got the precious/Rings connection having never read the books or watched the movies. I just thought Tex was being very very gay. 🙂

  434. Yes, that’s true that two died a little later.

    “Reactive” sets my hair on fire. The most important story should be events leading to the attack and our government’s reaction afterward.

    Obama’s alleged hatred of America and the troops is another issue. It has nothing to do with Benghazi.

  435. Clearly “traitor” set Muffy’s hair on fire.

    Muffy now that I know they were contractors, traitor no longer applies. I don’t expect proper citizenship from mercenaries.

    But my point about “traitor” is that you don’t throw the stand down hand grenade out in a for profit book. You tell your superiors. You BEG to be allowed to testify to Congress (a GOP led Congress eager to hear such testimony). You write editorials.

    But when a publisher approaches you to sell your story, that’s when you say “that will not honor the memory of my fallen brothers”.

    Muffy I know you don’t trust the main stream media (I’m talking ABC CBS NBC, not MSNBC) but these 3 guys are getting play for their book ONLY on Fox. It is telling (maybe I missed it) that Brett Bair did not ask them “why do you think you were asked to wait? Was it just bureacracy? Was it concern for your safety? Why?” Fox wants viewers to fill in the blanks with the most damning possible answers.

  436. “It is telling (maybe I missed it) that Brett Bair did not ask them “why do you think you were asked to wait?”

    Of what is it telling? He didn’t ask them because they offered their assumption on why. No one disputes the why. The men assumed that CIA Bob talking on the phone and telling them to wait did so because efforts were underway to try and coordinate them to link up with the local support.

    Amb Steven’s group was small. It stands to reason that if they were under attack they would need help immediately. Instead what occurred was that although help was ready and willing to go in five minutes, CIA Bob effectively told a team of firefighters not to rush to the fire but to wait for the other firehouses in the area to get ready so that they could all go together. That they only waited 25 minutes was to the credit of those men, not CIA Bob either.

    Your motive-detecting superpowers aside, are you saying the men are lying about something? If so, what exactly? Straight up. Forget about Bush and Cheney and Judge Judy – what are they lying about?

    We know the president lied about the video, along with the rest of the administration and their spokespeople. Is THAT how people with nothing to hide behave, Miss Marple?

  437. “Muffy I know you don’t trust the main stream media (I’m talking ABC CBS NBC, not MSNBC) but these 3 guys are getting play for their book ONLY on Fox.”

    Maybe Lois Lerner can tell us why that might be.

  438. It is telling (maybe I missed it) that Brett Bair did not ask them “why do you think you were asked to wait?

    You must not the interview closely then. Because near the very start of the interview, they were asked that, and the man in the middle replied, “I’m not a politician…” or something to that regard. I actually thought these three guys came across as more than fair, being two of them were shot up during the ordeal. True soldiers.

    As to your suggestion these three aren’t credible (even if they were there and your special sycophants weren’t) because they are only getting play on FOX News, that only demonstrates how clearly blind you really are.

    So I’ll ask you, Rutherford. Why aren’t these men getting airplay anywhere else? Are you still too timid to admit the Lame Stream Media lapdogs for a failed Presidency?

    P.S. – Yes Precious, I was just being very gay. 😈

    P.S.S. – You ought to watch the Lord of Rings. I’d rate the series in the top 20 of my all time faves, and you and I generally like much the same movies.

  439. The interview’s being only on Fox doesn’t mean much by itself. Several times, networks have ignored stories Fox carried when Fox was right.

    On the following Sunday morning the administration was lying about a tape while the Libyan president told the truth. This could be another time when a single source is the only credible one..

  440. Muffy I appreciate your passion I sincerely do but you really seem to be hoping for something that just isn’t going to materialize.

    Looking at House testimony from 2013 the CIA operators from the Annex testify that they headed for the compound around 10:07 under orders not free wheeling it.
    Other testimony speaks to the CIA being very much aware of a number of restrictions placed upon it. The biggest thing is that the CIA leadership was more in the know than the contractors on items such as the lack of air support.
    There is literally nothing new or credible in this book that cannot be gleaned from reams of official papers and Fox along with a number of GOP pols seem hellbent on repackaging the same ole same ole and telling you the bad smell is actually freshness and election manna.

  441. What is it folks want to see/know about Benghazi?

    The lack of preparedness prior to the attack?
    The “it was a video…..” thing?
    The response to the attack in real time?

    If you choose to answer I hope you’ll be thorough.

  442. What pisses me off the most is the dismissiveness.

    Obama’s willingness to lie about the response in the debates with Candy Crowley, then Clinton’s incredulity that anyone dare question when they had been caught in a lie and altered narratives, followed by MSNBC morons calling the whole affair a nothing burger without knowing anything about it piss me off.

    I don’t believe a fucking thing the state department or anyone with this administration says. They’re pathological.

  443. Our presidents have always lied to us. They get shot if they speak truth. Duh. They can pull the lies off when they have cover. Otherwise, as in a house divided, some get caught with pants down.

    The whole Stevens investigation should be about the arms he facilitated moving from Libya to Syria in order to arm ‘moderate’ terrorists to fight a proxy war with Assad.

  444. Dude, re 566, you are way kinkier than the average rabbit. By now, I’d figure Tigre would have clued you in on the then/than thing, if I get the gist of his character. 😛

  445. Rutherford, didn’t you threaten us with a new post a while back? No pressure. I’m sure the new job comes with plenty of its own mental rearranging.

  446. Alfie, the lack of preparedness and carelessness combined with the lie about the video movie tell me the administration knew it had contributed to the attack through negligence and incompitance.

    Obama based his foreign policy reputation on his killing bin ladin and making al Quaida irrelevant. He was still hiding the implications of the Arab Spring which was touted as a success. Beefing up security would call his previous strategy into question. He reacted the same way by calling ISIS a Junior varsity. He hoped it would go away.

    That movie lie was so stupid it tells me the administration was desperate to hide what they had and hadn’t done. The cost of exposure of dishonesty was greater than the price of knowledge of what they had done. The charade was beginning to collapse and with it Obama’s chances of re election.

    I don’t know that they did anything illegal, but they were certainly immoral, Obama was willing to do anything to win an election. Much of the liberal press helped him. I also don’t trust what the State Department said. though what I have read supports my theory.

    Similar extrapolation of human and economic behavior with limited knowledge kept me alive in the hard times, and let us save our farms during the farm recession, We own them debt free, thanks to reasoning similar to what I use to convict the White House.

    I may be wrong about some of the details, but I would bet a farm, (well maybe the smallest one) on my conclusions. Now, you know why I believe Obama should have been impeached and Hillary driven from public life.

    What I stated is a fact. You can only prove me wrong by revising my observation of human behavior, The service taught me well, and I was a good student.

  447. I am a nice man. People tell me that. Someone also told me I am unusually kind. However, when I know I am right as I am about this, I am an arrogant SOB.

  448. By the way, I predicted “Till the Love Runs Out” by One Republic would be a hit. El Tigre listened to it I think and like my wife didn’t like the song. I was right about that too. It is in the top ten in sales now.

    The group also wrote the new release from Adel. “Till the Love Runs Out” was supposed to be for her, but they recorded it instead. Both songs have a similar bluesy feel.

    Vanila Ninga asked “Are You Tough Enough
    and on the night of Benghazi Obama showed he was not.

  449. I remember watching this when it was on teevee. It’s funny cuz now I remember they used to speed up all the songs on the radio to get more in for each hour. They probably still do. Sometimes you were disappointed when you bought the album and the song was slower. But looking backwards its funny watching these guys do it faster…

  450. The whole Stevens investigation should be about the arms he facilitated moving from Libya to Syria in order to arm ‘moderate’ terrorists to fight a proxy war with Assad.

    Pools this angle has interested me also but has gotten very little play. I’m not saying there is any justification for his murder but it does seem to me he was playing a role beyond what is expected of an Ambassador to Libya.