We Need Some Good GOP Campaign Songs

A few days ago one of my loyal readers posted a Liz Warren campaign song video (even though she’s not running for anything right now). The video was posted to my comments section with a snide comment and reminder of the Obama songs we contended with in 2008.

I wondered why we never see any good campaign songs for the GOP contenders? Rather than mock Warren’s supporters, how about putting together some ditties for your candidates? So I figured in this time of dark headlines and world unrest, we could use a lighter post today. Here are my song fragments for a few of the leading contenders for the GOP POTUS run.

Mitt Romney (provide your own melody)

Mitt’s the hit, he’s the hole in one.
Michigan’s favorite son.

Vote for Mitt and you can bet
He’ll wipe out Russia, our biggest threat.

“Bankrupt Detroit”, our Mitt foretold
That GM cars would all soon explode.

The war on women will gets its licks
When Mitt opens up his binder of chicks.

VOTE FOR MITT, HE’S THE HIT!!

Rand Paul (provide your own melody)

Rand Paul, he’s our man
A tried and true Libertarian

Rand Paul, he’s our man
He won’t send your son to die in Iran.

He’ll get the gov out of your bedroom
And let you smoke pot and eat your shrooms.

And just like his Daddy said
He’ll stop foreign aid and audit the Fed.

Jeb Bush (to the melody of John Lennon’s “Give Peace a Chance”)

Everybody’s talking ’bout Iraq, Afghans, Katrina, failed banks, Cheney, Rumsfeld.

All we are saying, give Jeb Bush a chance!

Everybody’s talking ’bout Father, Brother, dynasty, even Mother say’s it’s bullshit but

All we are saying, give Jeb Bush a chance!

Marco Rubio (to the melody of “La Bamba”)

Come on and vote for Marco.
Come on and vote for Marco, the Cuban wonder.
He’s not like Obama.
He’s not like Obama, he will not plunder
Your hard earned wages.
Your hard earned wages will stay with you, will stay with you, will stay with you!

Come on and vote for Marco.
Come on and vote for Marco, the Rubio.
He will fix immigration.
He will fix immigration but do it slow.
Don’t want to piss off the right wing
Don’t want to piss off the right wing and Tea Party
He will fix immigration
He will fix immigration very slowly, very slowly, very slowly.

MARCO, MARCO
MARCO, MARCO
MARCO, MARCO
MARCO!!

Chris Christie (to the melody of “Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas”)

Have yourself a President Chris Christie.
He’s a voice that’s new.
While others coddle voters, he just says “Fuck you!”

So have yourself a President Christie — FUCK YOU!

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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755 thoughts on “We Need Some Good GOP Campaign Songs

  1. This may be the closest I ever get to being recognized for fame! 😈

    You didn’t like my Ode to Nothing Burger, Brother “R?” I thought that was pretty damn funny.

  2. lol. Nice to have a little extra time on your hands, eh Rutherford?

    The GOP already has a few ditties…

  3. Good find, Poolman. That guy is pretty clever – seems I’ve listened to his stuff before.

    But this one is still my all-time favorite. Rings even truer today!

  4. Gawd Tigre. That was insufferable. 😳 I kept thinking the corpse of Michael Jackson was going to moonwalk out of cake and sing ABC…

    A B C, easy as one, two, three
    Easy to hate Hillary…

  5. Got my mind made up
    and I can’t let go
    gonna vote for Rick Perry
    bless his soul
    ‘caus he’s gonna save us
    from Mexico

    From One Republic “Till the Love Runs Out.”

    Our son is here, after our not seeing him for three years. His plane was delayed for many hours because of engine trouble, and he had to take a different plane, He was in Phoenix. Maybe Poolman noticed a disturbance in the force

  6. Change “I am a Ukrainian” YouTube video to “I am an American”

    “We want to be free. We want to be free of politicians who work only for themselves… we are civilized people, but our government are barbarians. We want to be free.”

  7. “But this one is still my all-time favorite. Rings even truer today!”

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    Perfecto.

  8. That’s damn cheap, Rabbit. They wanted $750 to change mine. The truck isn’t worth $750 bucks to anybody but me. If I could find someone to do this for $250 or so, I would hand them the keys.

  9. I thought those new beamers come with lifetime diaper changes service. That’s what their ads basically say. I think you already paid a fart allowance in the purchase price. I hope you get your money’s worth. 😉

  10. tt – do you ever find your self on shaky ground?

    “So far this year, Oklahoma has had more than twice the number of earthquakes as California, making it the most seismically active state in the continental U.S. As recently as 2003, Oklahoma was ranked 17th for earthquakes. That shift has given rise to concern among communities and environmentalists that injecting vast amounts of wastewater back into the ground is contributing to the rise in Oklahoma’s quakes. The state pumps about 350,000 barrels of oil a day, making it the fifth largest producer in the U.S.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-07/oklahoma-temblors-outpace-california-as-fracking-booms.html

  11. With apologies to Molly Hatchet

    ♫♫

    America travelin’ down the road,
    Obama’s been a f__ing disaster.
    Libs got the pedal to the floor,
    WWIII is coming faster

    While campaigning for money,
    What happened to hope???,
    It looks like self destruction.
    Well how much more can we take,
    With all of Big O’s corruption?

    The Left is flirtin’ with disaster,
    Ya’ll know what I mean.
    And the way Obama run our lives,
    It leads to misery.

    I don’t know about yourself or
    What these Leftists see
    While the world burns on our dime,
    Our destiny looks bleak to me.

    [Chorus]
    Were travelin’ down the bankruptcy road
    Lizzie Warren still giving us the populist load
    Middle Class all but burned away
    Uncle Sam sucking us dry most every day.

    Traveling in Air Force One
    Obama campaigning from town to town
    All the while the border churns
    Government can’t seem to slow it down.

    Hillary’s become the bore
    She’s gotten even crasser
    Even Leftists know a witch
    And another Clinton grafter…

    ♫♫

  12. Yes, Rutherford three years is a long time. It has also been a long time since the whole family has been under one roof. We might have gone to California this year, but we are helping care for our grand daughter.

    We hope to install Skype so our grand daughter and her uncle can see each other from time to time.

    Our video camera was not working quite right after some lightning passed through me and into the camera. It was a discontinued Panasonic model I like. My wife and son in law found some on Amazon The black version is identical to others, but red and blue are $80.00 cheaper.

    The new camera came several hours before our son’s arrival.

    The only reason I used Rick Perry is that go, soul, and Mexico rhyme

  13. “Our video camera was not working quite right after some lightning passed through me and into the camera.”

    😆

    “Water pump”

    Studs!

  14. ♫♫

    We don’t need indoctrination
    We don’t need no thought patrol
    No dark deceptions in the classroom
    Lefties leave us all alone
    Hey! Lefties! Leave us all alone!
    All in all you’re just another brick for a brain
    All in all you’re just another need for a drain

    We don’t need indoctrination
    We don’t need more gun control
    Celebrities don’t make good leaders
    Lefties leave us all alone
    Hey! Lefties! Leave us all alone!
    All in all you’re just another drag on the soul
    All in all you’re just another turd in the bowl

    ♫♫

  15. Now I feel bad for telling my mechanic he is busting my balls.

    700 bucks?

    I’m lucky in that regard. I have mechanic buddies.

    That being said…..the one I go with now is a friend of a friend and he can’t be beat.

    My other guy, a long time friend, entails me getting my car into his shitty hood and hanging out with him as he plays air guitar in his garage all day. No thanks.

  16. “I thought those new beamers come with lifetime diaper changes service. That’s what their ads basically say. I think you already paid a fart allowance in the purchase price. I hope you get your money’s worth.’

    LOL……..Rutherford gets to hang out with other beamer owners in the lobby. Best thing about owning one is bringing it to the club.

    Where is else does Rutherford get to display his cross legged established gentleman pose as he fake reads the New Yorker? Nobody gives a shit when he does it at the doctor’s office…

  17. I see I need not answer our brilliant dame, Ms. Muffy’s question. MS Word goes a long way for me. 😉

    I actually like your campaign song better than mine, Muffy. It’s more generic. I can’t get over my disdain for the current Pres and haven’t been able to move on from his massive failure and gross incompetence yet – basically because The One is not through with fundamentally transforming us to The Congo yet.

  18. Rabbit, I wouldn’t take $250 bucks to clean the dirt from out underneath my nails again and scrub my back from laying on the filthy driveway. Part of the oil actually went through my throw away t-shirt.

    I actually used latex gloves like some white collar wannabee. LOL! Probably looked like I was going to my First Confirmation or a science lab. I turned one bolt, hit the fan blade a few times, and was left with shredded latex hanging from hands.

    I tried garden gloves, but that wasn’t working either in close quarters.

  19. I was only being semi snarky. I wondered if it was this serious.

    A was just pulling your leftist chain. To answer honestly, I don’t know. It certainly would be if you were sitting on top of the quake. Oklahoma has been fracking for over 60 years (waste water disposal to be more specific) without so much as a blip of trouble. It’s just until recently, have we started having any real measurable tremors.

    I was a hundred miles away from the 5.6 (largest OK earthquake in recordable history) a few years ago, and that shook the hell out of my foundation for 45 seconds. The strangest sensation was the noise that accompanied it. It sounded like a Jet engine. My California buddy told me that one was “just like California!” That one destroyed several homes.

    But nobody has any definitive proof one way or another of what’s causing the uptick in frequency. There’s not a state in this nation that isn’t sitting on some type of fault line – one 200/300 miles from here (the Madrid fault) is truly dangerous. If I were living in Memphis, I would give serious thought to moving or having really good insurance.

    Is fracking related to the uptick? I suppose it is possible. But when I measure the cost to the state if we stopped fracking, the risks are more than bearable. Petroleum is still Oklahoma’s cash cow amounting to literally billions of dollars a year to the state economy. And the heaviest use of fracking locales in the state demonstrate no appreciable uptick.

    Only God knows for sure.

  20. Our video camera was not working quite right after some lightning passed through me and into the camera.

    LOL James I had to read that twice. You’re the only one I know who could come out in better shape then the camera after a lightening strike.

    The only one I know as resilient as you is my late father in law who survived electrocution.

  21. $300 is cheap as hell DR. Does that include the pump? Geez. Give me this guy’s number. It’d cost less for me tow mine up your way and have them worked on than what the grease gorillas down here charge.

  22. Tex…..there is no better feeling then fixing a car yourself though. I’ve only done a full brake job a couple times. That’s it. Sad.

  23. “Businesses are hiring at historic rates, with 52 consecutive months of net private sector job growth,” said Biden in the newly released report supporting the reauthorization of the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act of 1998, which President Obama signed on Tuesday.”

    Every month for the past 4 years more people left the work force then found jobs. And the jobs are majority ticking part time shit work.

    I’m not saying its the Great Depression. But when you have an administration actually bragging about the last 4 years we have a disconnect of epic proportion.

    People are hurting. Administration spin doesn’t change that.

    Man do I despise this administration.

  24. “Businesses are hiring at historic rates, with 52 consecutive months of net private sector job growth,”

    Agreeing, Rabbit, that the stat is misleading, let’s look at it. Let’s say biz is hiring at historic rates. Sounds like they are taking advantage of supply demand. Desperate people will work for shit wages. How many employers do you think are lowering starting salaries because it’s an employers market right now? My wife is looking at jobs that used to start low 90’s now going for 60-65k.

    Every stat we see about the economy has to be taken with many grains of salt. The gov is skewing the stats and big business is complicit in the slow moving economy.

  25. Enough car talk.

    Rabbit, I’m dead serious. I want you to train and try out for next season’s American Ninja Warrior. I swear man, you’ll have the entire RL crew rooting for you. And you can set up a good practice course on those acres you own (once you get the squatter out of there).

  26. Tex…..there is no better feeling then fixing a car yourself though. I’ve only done a full brake job a couple times. That’s it. Sad.

    I can honestly I’ve never done a brake job. Never torn into a motor myself either, or a transmission. Helped a friend once rebuild a 455, but don’t remember much about it, replaced U-joints and tie rods, and the typical maintenance crap.

    I’ve tinkered with about everything attached to the block, done a complete exhaust job including headers. That was about the most difficult thing I ever did with respect to a car – without the benefit of a lift. 😆 Only a kid would be dumb enough to do that. But it worked. About gave my mom a heart attack when I started the motor up in the garage without the mufflers too.

    But conceptually, other than the new electronics (which I bet are simple diagnostics with the right equipment), I believe I understand enough that I would attempt about anything on a car that was reasonably unimportant to me and off warranty.

    So much of it is intuitive. Had I had a father who knew how to turn a screw driver and at least gotten me interested in stuff or had introduced me to stuff, I might have made a passable engineer or builder. I love to tinker. I like doing that kind of junk. Instead I was going to be a professional athlete, or so the old man thought. It’s all he knew.

    Built a deck, installed hard wood flooring and crown molding, will do anything electrical as long as it’s not at the box, and the ordinary plumbing duties.

    Guess that makes me about as average as average gets. Marginally talented at many things, expert at none.

  27. Body work can be might gratifying when you do it right. Takes a lot of patience. But there’s nothing like fresh paint when you spent the time on the prep.

  28. “The gov is skewing the stats and big business is complicit in the slow moving economy.”

    Yeah. You know business loves a slow moving economy so it can drive down wages. 🙄

    R, let’s get back to cars. A Harvard grad with such an inability to grasp of basic economic concepts is depressing.

  29. LOL Tigre, then you wonder why I call you a corporate shill.

    Pay people a decent wage (which might mean temporary reduced profit) and they spend the money, stimulating the economy and bringing said company’s profits back up eventually.

    Or

    Pay low to create artificial profit margins which satisfy share holders short term but does nothing to stimulate the economy. I submit that is part of what is going on today.

    And I bet you $100.00 I could find reputable economists who would agree with me.

  30. Man……I saw a report in which Obama, despite franic begging by the Iraqi government, refused to drone ISIS back when he could have stopped them. He then went on to call ISIS “JV” and mocked them as any kind of legitimate threat.

    Add that to his famous “The 1980s called and they want their foriegn policy back” and holy fuck this guy should have never won a second election.

    I know most of Rutherford’s friends, like his “Leaning Left” cohost, seems to be busily defending…uh..wait for it….the IRS (can you believe how low the die hard Obamaists have gotten)…..but I dont think they realize how much trouble this administration is in.

    This will go down as the worst presidency in modern American history. And you cheerleader fools who supported Obama have left a cyber footprint for your great grandchilderen to laugh at. Ouch.

    Rutherford……you sure picked a loser for your JFK.

    I dont expect you to ever admit it here. But I sure hope this disaster has caused you to grow up a bit. Personally….I think anyone over 40 who urns for a politcal hero (cue fagyy music…”my JfK”) has some major fucking issues.

    Hero worship brought us to a point where I can throw a dart and hit one issue out of about 30 that would stand alone as a legacy killer. JFK….ha ha.

    What a pathetic leader. Jet setting around fund raising…..the only place the fraud has ever felt comfortable.

  31. Rutherford ……its a lack of growth.

    Evil big business has nothing to do with this shitty recovery.

    Most people dont even work for a big business .

    Silly talk.

  32. I have had narrow escapes with lighting. The worst time was when enough electricity passed through me to burn a small part of the skin over my ankle bone. It was decidedly unpleasant.

    On other occasions, lighting has made my video camera pop. If you run a video of a close strike frame by frame, you will frighten yourself. I carry a transistor radio for safety. Static on the lower AM frequency is individual lightning strikes. If it becomes a steady high pitched shriek you are in serious danger, One can hear the same thing on a car radio,

    My radio didn’t warn me. I was suddenly enveloped in yellow light, my hair stood on end, and I felt as though I had touched the spark plug on a power mower.

    This wasn’t the actual main spark of electricity or I would be dead now, Like a river, the main lighting strike has many feeder channels. Amorphous electricity also flows along the ground,

    Your father-in law sounds like a tough man to survive electrocution.

    Someone told me dogs suffer near lighting strikes because their feet are sensitive enough to feel an electric discharge we don’t feel.

  33. Tex, agreed. That was good, old fashioned beat down, Gowdy has an easy target but he really does do a good job. I understand he was a very effective prosecutor. He seems to be proving it with these bastards.

  34. What a pathetic leader. Jet setting around fund raising…..the only place the fraud has ever felt comfortable.

    FWIW I’m getting sick and tired of all the fund raising myself.

    Frankly I think the next POTUS should institute a ZERO fundraising policy while in office. Not only are the optics bad, it achieves NOTHING for the good of the country.

  35. You wanna hear something really scary? A plot straight outta Poolman is being offered by … Russia. The plane was already full of dead bodies before it got shot down.

  36. Rutherford, this is head pounding.

    First, the administration’s lack of candor is not connected to your second thought. All you are conveying is that you will accept being mislead for some reason because of business practices. Why?

    Also try explaining in supply and demand terms what you’re saying about business thriving from depressed wages without accounting for demand. Make your case.

    Surely you’re not saying unemployment and under employment stimulate business better than full employment., are you?

  37. Looks like we botched an execution, Oklahoma style. I can’t help but think this is intentional somehow to bring the death penalty into focus, even as bo bo keeps up the drone assassination campaign.

  38. 114 officially here today James. 98 right now at 9:30. We got storms all around, but it won’t rain where we’re at. If it does anything, it will likely just be enough to trash my freshly washed truck. It was 117 on my back patio at 5. The day started at 83. I got to go out and paint a pool on the ground, so I got to enjoy some of it. The sky was a mix of cumulus and man-made today. I always have my camera, but avoid the lightning.

  39. Did they, Poolman? In my opinion, there was nothing botched about Oklahoma’s execution and a vast majority of Oklahomans agreed. What made it especially satisfying is the bleeding hearts, corrupt attorneys, and confused folks like you and a cowardly murderer were a cause of it by forcing the reformulation of the lethal cocktail mix.

    The SOB is dead. He complicated matters further by damaging the veins in his arms. And struggling 43 minutes on a gurney in spasm is a form of poetic justice in my book for burying an innocent girl alive.

  40. Tigre, how else do you explain business resistance to a minimum wage? People are just a resource like sugar or oil. The company tries to get that resource for as little money as possible.

    I repeat, it is in a company’s short term best interest to pay its workers as little as possible. The best interests of a company do not necessarily translate to the best interests of the populace.

    Why with record unemployment is the stock market soaring? Because corporate success has become disconnected from worker success.

  41. “Tigre, how else do you explain business resistance to a minimum wage?”

    Gaaaaawd.

    Because the cost of their products/services increase thereby doing. . . go ahead. . . what would that do Rutherford? You really have such a simplistic view of business you think it exists for the employee.

    Gee, I wonder where the movement is for people to pay more for their fast food than it costs, you know, to help the minimum waged employee? Do you do that? Why not? You drive a fucking BMW for Christ’s sake. A luxury car. I bet the guy that filled your fast food order doesn’t. Hardly seems fair.

    Yes, Marx. Capitalism is competitive. Couldn’t even try at an answer in terms of supply and demand.

    And, yes. An employees is a resource. Large Companies even have departments called Human “Resources.” I am sure you are familiar with them. Thanks for taking that to task.

    If short term business decisions harm long term strength. so be it. Bad business suffers for it. If doing more for the worker in the long term works, then so be it. Maybe the business will thrive over the long haul.

    Or may be it won’t.

    Heavy.

    Your observations don’t make me a corporate shill. They make you a fool.

  42. “Why with record unemployment is the stock market soaring? Because corporate success has become disconnected from worker success.”

    Still don’t know how the market works. Lovely.

    So when it crashes we can assume the opposite?

  43. 49, Poolman, your comment makes me suffer just from reading it, It is 59 at home and should reach the low eighties with a small chance of thunderstorms. Omaha has had little rain this month. At home we had two inches on the fifth.

    Its frustrating to have rainfall so close and it still misses you,

    “You better not pout
    You better not shout
    B Obama’s coming to town
    He knows when you’ve been sleeping
    He knows when you’re awake
    He knows when you’ve been bad or good
    So be good for goodness sake.”

  44. Tigre the only valid thing you said was I didn’t address supply demand.

    When supply outpaces demand buyers (employers) can call the tune. They don’t have to compete for workers. Workers are desperate. Workers will accept terms they might not accept in a better economy and some employers know that.

    I sound “simplistic” because it’s not complicated. You’d like to complicate it so you can obfuscate.

    We do not have a pure capitalistic system. Capitalism is currently broken as normal incentives no longer apply.

  45. Rutherford, corporate America bugs the shit out of me too. My wife works in that realm and the stories I hear kill me.

    I hate everything that gets too big. Why your hate isn’t 100 fold more for big government is beyond me.

    That being said, you are taking something you don’t like, cold and impersonal big business, and irrationality attributing this shitty recovery to it. Plus…you get a bonus. You take heat off something you do like (Obama’s nut sack).

    Your refusal to work with high-school level economics blocks you from exploring more interesting questions. Like, why is the stock market so frothy?

  46. So when it crashes we can assume the opposite?

    I’m beginning to wonder if you’re just stupid.

    One would EXPECT the market to do better in times of full employment. The fact that the market can soar in a stagnant economy means there is an illogical disconnect somewhere. It means there are perverse incentives in the system.

    I tell you, when it comes to business you are one ends justifies the means mother fucker.

  47. The illogical disconnect is why the stock market is soaring, Rutherford. And you have no one to blame but yourself, because ironically you help put those people in place dealing the cards. The very 1%ers you condemn, you helped to enrich.

    Very simplistic explanation. Artificially low interest rates with the companies buying themselves buying stocks because they can borrow at an exorbitantly low rate; and a desperation that the only place to make some interest on investment is an overblown stock market, helping to explain why the deficit now dropping from record levels – record tax revenues. It’s the tech bubble on steroids and Obama is being given some credit for bringing us back by a few of you, when in reality it’s a house of cards and the middle class is quickly drying up. You helped to elect people that have created a class of rich and poor, some winners and thousands of losers.

    Most know it’s a facade. There are no market record earnings for the vast majority of companies. But we investors are forced to keep playing the game, because dead money is a losing proposition. I don’t know when the bubble bursts. But this time, I am most certainly hoping it happens soon so the right people can assume the blame this time, unlike Clinton’s serendipity.

  48. The minimum wage is such a red herring when it comes to real issues of what ails American employment, that the stupidity actually makes me mad.

    Leftists would like us to believe if they raised the minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.00, suddenly the working poor will drive the economy by receiving approximately $5,700 more per year. $20,800 (and most minimum wage jobs are part-time jobs exaggerating that figure) is still working poor.

    But for every winner, there’s a loser too. So employees will simply utilize less workers unless they are willing themselves to take a substantial cut in profit and more people will be moved to assistance, speaking nothing of productivity.

    Rutherford, the only way out of this mess is growth. And you don’t get that by providing disincentives to the people doing the hiring.

    You’re at best playing a zero sum game. Which cup is the ball under?

  49. “One would EXPECT the market to do better in times of full employment. The fact that the market can soar in a stagnant economy means there is an illogical disconnect somewhere. It means there are perverse incentives in the system.”

    Too dumb to respond to. You really don’t know or get it. Your debates on these topics is a waste of energy. I won’t bother.

  50. Oh Tex. Looks like you’re trying to “obfuscate” too.

    Thankfully, Rutherford doesn’t run a business or own securities. Or at least if he does, he’s got someone that understands them in control.

    I’ll give him this. He does understand that a low hourly wage can feel and be inadequate for a decent standard of living. Beyond that, he’s lost.

  51. “Rabbit, I’m dead serious. I want you to train and try out for next season’s American Ninja Warrior”

    Rutherford…..I promise you out of all your readers I would probably come in last place in that show.

    For one, I weigh 240 pounds. I can bench press a decent amount but I can’t do it continuously.

    While I have been running my ass off (I’m set for 100 miles this month at a pace if a walrus) I’m more suited to hitting a softball a long ways and bar fights that last no more then 15 seconds. I’d be better off wearing a black and white American Ninja “STAFF’ shirt then participating in the event.

    Tex would be our best bet in American Ninja.

  52. And you have no one to blame but yourself, because ironically you help put those people in place dealing the cards. The very 1%ers you condemn, you helped to enrich.

    It’s an irony indeed. I suspect Tim Geithner the bankers bitch. Obama, kicked by Wall Street when he has been their best friend when he’s not talking smack.

    Liz Warren is right. The game is rigged. The only question is does ANYBODY have the courage to set things right?

  53. more people will be moved to assistance,

    You realize through tips and tax dollars you are supplementing the income of the underpaid. Walmart employees spending their food stamps at Walmart which doesn’t pay them enough to stay off food stamps.

    Most folks on food stamps are employed. Something is wrong with that picture.

  54. Too dumb to respond to. You really don’t know or get it. Your debates on these topics is a waste of energy. I won’t bother.

    The true mark of an ignoramus. I’m glad you’ve conceded the point.

  55. Tex would be our best bet in American Ninja.

    Tex aren’t your knees shot?

    Ahh Rabbit, you disappoint. Some of the competitors really remind me of you. And damn, you could even keep your moniker. Captain NBC meets the Dead Rabbit. I can see it now. 🙂

  56. “The true mark of an ignoramus. I’m glad you’ve conceded the point.”

    Yes. You read that right. I do concede that you are an ignoramus.

  57. Most folks on food stamps are employed. Something is wrong with that picture.

    Brother “R”, one of the benefits of being unemployed for 11 years, or retired, or a bum, or whatever I am, is getting an opportunity to do a bit of community work – certainly not what full-time volunteers do, but a bit. Enough to gain the experience and learn the stories.

    And here was my perception after volunteering five years or so.

    There are a number of cases, the exception to the rule though, were through no fault of their own, women mostly, tragedy has befallen them. A husband and bread winner dies, they have no practical experience because education and skills were never taught or stressed, perhaps they have serious health issues or take care of elderly parents. Yes, I want to help these people and volunteer my beloved to pay for it. 😈 I’m afraid I wouldn’t do much good, being the poor make more than I make.

    However, there are a huge number of cases where the only one to blame for the situation are the people themselves. Drugs, irresponsibility, crime, children they can’t support and expect someone else to do it, abject stupidity.

    I’m not heartless. But I”m not as altruistic and dreamy as I used to be either. And I don’t think you would be either if you had witnessed some of this crap.

    ========

    Quick story. Being I got to take medical school twice after taking leave of absence the first year, I had to go through this awful, week long orientation twice to ‘meet your classmates.’ Totally pretentious.

    During this week, there was one day we, the medical students, were volunteered to pick up the grounds of a school in a poor neighborhood near the school. I did this twice. Many painted, some situated the classrooms, I was volunteered to do yard work and pick weeds out a garden the school had planted.

    Since I was twice the age of these students, few had anything to do with me. Too much like dad, I guess. I guess I could be construed as the disliked asshole of the class, but the students didn’t even know me (long story). I go out there weed picker and shovel in hand by myself (which was okay by me) and the “garden” was covered in broad leaf weeds as tall as Brother Rabbit, towering over me. That didn’t happen overnight. In fact, it was obvious the damn “garden” hadn’t been touched in months.

    Most of these parents of the school were on income assistance and housing. Many didn’t work at all – almost all black or Hispanic. The Section 8 apartments literally overlooked where I was working to pull weeds. I saw people peeking out their bent blinds. I could have spent six months there by myself and not completed the work in a hundred degree heat.

    And the thought occurred to me. Why aren’t these people not working, healthy and younger than me, not getting off there lazy asses and getting down here to help me?

    And that is the kind of crap that is going on all over this nation.

  58. Regarding 72, I am indeed puzzled why folks don’t do more to improve their own situation. But then I am still puzzled, despite the explanations of corruption above, why the Ukraine sits idly by and lets thugs overtake their nation.

  59. But then I am still puzzled, despite the explanations of corruption above, why the Ukraine sits idly by and lets thugs overtake their nation

    Think they are overwhelmed, “R.” Ukrainians don’t have the muscle to conduct a fair fight what I understand. And unlike the radical goat herders, the Ukrainians sane enough and civilized enough they are not going to strap bombs on themselves either for lost cause.

    Read something else interesting the other night I didn’t know. What our military is discovering with these suicide bombers, many are young, dumb teenagers that have volunteered to kill the infidel not knowing any better. Fodder for the war. They dope these young men up with opium. They actually chew this paste, and according to that Navy SEAL I talked about reading last week, the opium in Afghanistan and a lesser degree in Iraq is better than the morphine we inject the American Soldiers to combat pain in the field.

    These suicide bombers are half way to Allah before the bombs ever explode. 😐

  60. Rutherford fwiw you have at least glanced across a truth regards the economy. I would also say that although you both feel you’re at polar ends of the argument you and ET actually are pretty close.
    Emotionally and fiscally the working class has taken a beating as it pertains to worth or value of an employee.
    Rutherford you are not wrong when you talk about the working poor. Tigre isn’t wrong when he speaks of how NOBODY is either gonna pay $12.50 for a Happy Meal,or any biz can survive doing it just so the fry guy can be making a “living wage”.
    Many of the values we as a society place upon elements of the work force need a serious rethink.

  61. I am indeed puzzled why folks don’t do more to improve their own situation.
    Dude you could build a career writing on that topic but Rabbit touched on one thing earlier about you and a huge issue related to this very query.
    Big Government
    If you were to only look at the black urban demographic you would find countless examples of how and where BG has crushed,entrapped and pigeon holed a population. I won’t get all old school “Great Society” & Moynihan on you,I’ll offer two very real and very human level examples.
    Regulation strangulation is the umbrella: Uber & Lyft (and similar) the ride “share” programs are ex. 1 and hair care shops with wigs and weaves as the sole business #2.
    Now obviously the black community has had a long history of a gypsy like underground economy including some variation on livery services. All across this country though red and blue pols and their leash holders have fought against innovation and opportunity in the field. This is just too f#$%ed up. As for the weave shop,holding them to the same level of licensure as a barber or hairdresser seems ludicrous to me. I don’t see how this serves a very focused field of entrepreneurship or consumer safety or rights in any way.

  62. Re. Ukraine… There is a seriousness to life as a Ukrainian that really explains the hows and whys of their concern,patience and hopes regards their big neighbor and the butters in the east.

  63. I’m about to get slammed for this one.

    But I think we we should not only allow but request that Putin invade eastern Ukraine.

    Sanctions lifted.

    Back room deal. Russia backs everything we do with Iran, they get Russian speaking Ukraine. Any NATO country ever gets tucked with its WW3.

    Here is the alternative.

    Either eastern Ukraine remains a combat zone for the next ten years (possibly spilling into every other Russian enclave) or Putin invades anyways. Putin doesn’t have our back with Iran. Middle East turns into a nuclear powder keg. Mushroom cloud.

    Ukraine is a fake country.

    Rip it in half.

    Of course, had Obama had his hand at the wheel in the first place it wouldn’t have come to this. But a sunk cost is a sunk cost.

    Things are that bad….

    There it is. You heard it from Neville Rabbelton first. Peace!

  64. Of course…there is option 2. Obama actually leads like he is the president of the most powerful nation in the world, and slaps an absolute full Nelson on Putin…strangling him with sanctions he will never forget right after a had ass speech in Warsaw.

    Nah….ain’t happening. If we are going to be cowards….let’s get something out of it for once.

  65. Rabbit putting aside Obama’s foot dragging, aren’t you at all pissed off that there is no price too great for Europe to pay for Russian oil and gas?

    “Shoot our people out of the sky but I’ll still suck your cock ‘cos I love that oil.”

    Frankly I’m disgusted by it. No value on human life at all. Fear of hardship trumps moral outrage.

  66. Rutherford, I agree with your #82, and find the point legitimate.

    But wouldn’t something like the XL Pipeline go a ways towards resolving that issue? 🙂

    Most Leftists can’t generally see past the nose on their face, but I will try to explain why the XL Pipeline is a good pursuit, even if America didn’t burn one drop of the hydrocarbon produced from it.

    Besides creating thousands of high paying jobs in America (maintenance of the pipeline is practically insignificant compared to refining), it increases the world’s hydrocarbon supply and is in control of friendly hands – corporations in cooperation with our government that could provide an alternative to Russian crude oil to go anywhere we wished.

    The XL pipeline like all energy production in America, is not only an issue of providing cheap alternatives to meet life’s basic needs – the very backbone of our entire company. It’s also a bargaining chip. This is why Mitt Romney called our domestic energy policy a matter of national security.

    I know you feel like I’m piling on about Obama, but there’s a simple fact you ought to admit to your long time readers and blog buddies if you’re as intelligent as I think you are. You let your own prejudices blind you in 2012.

    You shilled for the wrong man. The country would be in infinitely more capable hands with Romney as President. And that shit you piled on two years ago, everything from Ann’s horses to Mitt’s dog and everything in between, was nothing but rank propaganda.

    Obama was and is in over his head. And I’m completely convinced though the world would still be on fire because that is the nature of evil, Romney would have handled Putin and the head loppers far more effectively than the golf hack.

    Our military, the very guys keeping weaklings like you and me alive, is at its wit’s end over the way Obama conducts business.

    We needed a Reagan. We got Ray Nagin.

  67. Under Dear Leader Obama’s tutelage, we can only conclude the country is in the best of hands! Hooray! Hooray!

    “Undercover investigators using fake identities were able to secure taxpayer-subsidized health insurance under President Barack Obama’s health care law, congressional investigators said Wednesday. The weak link seemed to be call centers that handled applications for frazzled consumers unable to get through online. The nonpartisan Government Accountability Office told a House committee that its investigators were able to get subsidized health care under fake names in 11 out of 18 attempts – even after HealthCare.gov’s much maligned online system flagged some applications as problematic.”

  68. Cliven Bundy was an imperfect warrior against government intrusion, but he is not the only one to face our arguably fascist government.

    This isn’t exactly a campaign song, but it tells a story.

    “Martha was a lovely lass who lived in Fauquier County
    She tilled the soil and tended flocks and rejoiced in nature’s bounty
    And she sold the wonders that she raised by the box and by the pound
    Until the day the county came and tried to shut her down

    Martha told the country troops she had the right to farm
    She owned the land and all the crops the house, the lake and farm
    And they mocked her words and ignored her rights and made her face the judge
    And she held firm and they started to squirm when the found she wouldn’t budge
    The bullies soon discovered that Martha had some friendss
    Who would stand by her watch her back until the bitter end
    and they wrote some legislation to hold the government at bay
    and McAuuliffe quietly signed the bill and quickly walked away.”

    Our grand daughter is helping me so I will have to write more laterl is su00ised nt9 reach 97 ahbd we are 9h n97rnwa6 t9 ntye to the zoo after we take our walk to the park

  69. Green Group Under Scrutiny for trespassing at woman’s farm” The Daily Signal

    I disagree with Rabbit. The US is as much an artificial country as Ukraine, Moreover, we have an artificial president.

    The Washington Post has an article describing why Hamas should be destroyed but probably will survive.

    The Europeans are afraid Russia will turn off the lights on a cold winter night. They have also become used to our military protection,
    The US could through projects like the Keystone pipe line and expansion of our energy production supplant the Russian energy influence. We could, but we won’t. We will stand by and say it is Europe’s problem.

  70. in control of friendly hands – corporations in cooperation with our government

    Friendly hands? lol. That’s some fantasy you’ve got happening in that ‘theater of your mind”, dude. Yeah, we’ve already experienced many of those same friendly hands reaching into our pockets for decades. Cooperation with government… Ha! Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?

    Why don’t you list some of those friendlies, if you would. I’m sure I could dig up an old report card or two.

  71. James, my grandson started walking the other day. 10 months old. He’s fun and now getting everywhere. His vocabulary is limited, but that doesn’t stop him from talking up a storm. He’s a pointer. Everything he wants he points to it first, then points at himself. He’s a big kid, bigger than most his age.

    We’re expecting another record high today. Yesterday we hit 117 officially. It’s just under 90 right now at 8am. Our normal is 105 this time of year.

  72. Friendly hands? lol. That’s some fantasy you’ve got happening in that ‘theater of your mind”, dude.

    Oh. That’s right.

    I forgot in Poolman’s world, Saudi Arabians are the good guys (and victims), and Exxon Mobil in association with Mossad is the bane of human existence.

    I cede your point. Better for Iran to decide America’s fate.

  73. “I would also say that although you both feel you’re at polar ends of the argument you and ET actually are pretty close.”

    Alfie, maybe there’s room to compromise. To avoid being labeled a shill, I suggest we make a law lowering the cost of everything so everybody can afford shit. Problem solved.

  74. For anyone following, this Jonathan Gruber “speak-o” nonsense is hi-larious. Another Joe Isuzu for the Obama administration.

  75. Rutherford said bachk @ 52 :

    Because corporate success has become disconnected from worker success.

    I don’t think they were ever directly connected more like some sort of symbiotic relationship. You are correct though in your assertion that companies today can exist even thrive without keeping the serfs in good kit.

  76. What I will never understand about this Gruber cat, and to some extent Rutherford, is how they chose to humiliate themselves in order to staunchly defend Obama.

    This Gruber guy chose to be a clown for life. He can never be taken seriously again .

    If I was him, I would be honest so that I save my honor. Lets pretend I believe Obamacare is awesome. If I was Gruber, I lash out against these states that supposedly screwed their own people by not setting up an exchange. What I don’t do is make an ass clown of myself.

  77. Although not the plot of the post I wonder if folks have had their minds changed who might actually be credible candidates.

    Minds changed? I’m not sure who anyone here was endorsing in the first place. I assume Pools is a Rand Paul fan. Beyond that, I have no idea.

    I take that back. No one here besides me likes Christie.

  78. Well I know the bar has been lowered drastically but I for one don’t find any of the alleged A listers credible any longer.
    Christie = No
    Paul= long shot A list by default,would be an interesting candidate.
    Rubio= Never a real choice.
    Perry= I shutter to think.
    I term the A listers as those the media and their fans boast.

    On the D side I think Warren will definitely be testing the waters and I’ll be damned if the improbable might not happen too,I now see Biden taking a shot being a real possibility.

  79. Poolman, I like reading about your weather and grand son. Our grand daughter is active too. I let her play with our cell phone, and she took her first picture. It was random, of course.

    She and our son have already bonded.

    After today, our high temperatures are forecast to reach the low eighties and upper seventies for the next week at least. Little or no rain will fall.

    I agree with alfie. If Elizabeth Warren runs, I will vote for anyone, even Sarah Palin or Jimmy Kimmel..

  80. Tex, I think that might be a little advanced. It’ll might be confused for obfuscation. Baby steps. 😆

  81. I assume Pools is a Rand Paul fan.

    You know what they say when you assume, right? I’m no longer a fan of ANY politician and I don’t trust Rand Paul. He is not his father. I have little confidence we can pull out of this funk utilizing what are considered normal channels. The national voting process has been proven a sham and now only serves to pacify the public. It gives the sheeple a false impression, mainly that their bleats voices matter and that someone in power actually represents their interests.

    Since I have been posting here I have grown less confident in our entire political process. It has proven itself a circus with many performers and unending acts.

  82. El Tigre you said this back @ 64:

    He does understand that a low hourly wage can feel and be inadequate for a decent standard of living.

    So why the head butting with Rutherford?

  83. Obama wants to get impeached. If he ends sovereign borders by unlawful executive action, he will get his way.

    Millions of potential Democratic votes and people addicted to welfare enter from the south while his base gets recharged.

    We have to try to impeach him if he does that. As much as he will love it.

    And….there will be worse things to happen I’m afraid.

    He might very well purposely rip the fabric of this country into shreds. A loser wanting nothing more then to hurt a nation he always hated in the first place.

    Put me in the impeachment camp if he makes a move on the border.

    Put me in a few other camps as well….

  84. James, we harvested and ate our first cantaloupe and our first watermelon the day before yesterday. I’m spoiled now. I’ve always enjoyed melon, but have been somewhat disappointed with the seedless watermelons I have bought from the store. This seedless was every bit as sweet and juicy as any seeded melon I’ve ever had in the past. There are a few more getting ripe and we’re planting more for a fall harvest. We’re also stocked up on some very spicy jalapenos, so much so that we’re giving jars of them away.

    My next ‘honey do’ project is a chicken coop to house 5 to 8 hens.

  85. Rabbit, I’ve heard everything from Obama’s not engaged, to we are just not smart enough to see his wisdom. Whatever it is that motivates Obama, there are no disputing these two facts.

    Obama has radically transformed the country, and Obama has severely weakened and divided the country.

    There’s two schools of thought. One is that that was Obama’s real motive, he and his equally awful wife did not like this country to begin with and were the perfect couple to stick it to ‘the man.’

    They’ve stuck it to a lot of men, but apparently never gave thought to who they were sticking it to – most notably their own.

    And while I think there is a shred of truth to that supposition, I tend to think the two worlds of Obama collided creating this conflict: Obama’s abilities to lead or lack thereof and his naivety vs. his malignant narcissism. This conflict has made Obama both angry and resigned. And one doesn’t have to look any further than Obama’s home turf of South Chicago to see what awaits.

    Obama is overmatched on the world stage by a number of really bad actors, most notably Putin. Perhaps more alarming to me, is the rank incompetence that surrounds Obama in his cabinet, which I believe the real ones facilitating the failed domestic policy.

    When you’ve got an incapable yet profoundly arrogant President surrounded by a bunch of lackeys and stooges, the inevitable result of massive failure was determined by the Summer of 2009. The writing was on the wall nine months into Obama’s first term and has only grown more visible each passing year.

    However, I believe impeachment is a last resort. America is so shallow and myopic, it could do much further damage and make this feckless idiot a martyr by the millions of people that are nothing more the classic reflex reactionaries.

    Because no matter what we make think of Obama, there’s another indisputable fact.

    Obama still controls the mob of millions of dependents and the corrupt.

  86. “He does understand that a low hourly wage can feel and be inadequate for a decent standard of living.

    So why the head butting with Rutherford?”

    Huh? All the corporate shill nonsense. Why would I deny that you can’t make a decent living (for most) on minimum wage? That’s not the discussion.

  87. Incidentally, Alfie,, the exchange was not about minimum wage. It was lower wages generally because of the market conditions. You didn’t look back far enough.

  88. And of course connecting Obama’s falsehoods concerning the economy in general with what R would call corporate greed.

    “Yeah he lies, but companies are greedy?”

    Child’s logic chased a with weird accusation intended to be an insult he knows not to be true but simply repeats.

  89. Ready to throw in the towel yet on the mediocre President, Brother “R?” Ready to admit your way don’t work? Hope & Change is a Hoax and Chains?

    Or is it still Republican obstructionism? 😈

  90. Obama wants to get impeached. If he ends sovereign borders by unlawful executive action, he will get his way.

    Again, WTF are you talking about? Ends sovereign borders?

    Rabbit you are smarter than this drivel. Are you just playing to the crowd here? They already love you. You don’t need to make a fool of yourself.

  91. Tex’s analysis beats Rabbits but that’s not saying much.

    On this I 100% agree, Obama has surrounded himself with the biggest crew of amateurs since Warren G. Harding. Harding’s only standout of course was silent Cal Coolidge. A good man, old Calvin.

  92. Alfie, on the little part you picked up on, I saw this that explains a lot of it:

    http://minx.cc:1080/?post=350732

    The willful ignorance on R’s part I can’t explain. He studiously avoids even trying a pass at persuasion or informing. He feels their pain and that is all. If you don’t believe in his non-fix (increase in min wage), you are a “corporate shill.”

  93. Went and saw Hercules. The heat index is about 112 today. Beat sweating in the head.

    Don’t bother unless it’s at the 50¢ show. The popcorn as always was stale too. That was probably $8.00. 😆

  94. Tigre who ever said raising the min wage was THE fix? It’s a piece of it.

    Here’s more:
    1. Curtail offshore outsourcing.
    2. Cap executive bonuses and redirect that money into either higher worker wages or job security.
    3. Offer workers salary cuts instead of layoffs.
    4. Get off that pile of cash you’re sitting on and invest in R&D so your products aren’t so shitty and you can profit by selling good stuff, not artificial profits off the backs of the lives you’ve ruined through layoffs.

    Ok Tigre, you may now return to putting words in my mouth.

  95. Not saying I agree with anything on your list R but lets keep rolling….
    5. Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley
    6. Cut the power of any number of govt. entities that overburden businesses.
    7. Repeal a number of the regulations that are tied to #6.
    8. Increase job share and tele-commuting options.
    9. ELIMINATE GOVERNMENT BACKING OF COLLEGE TUITION SO AS THE US EDUCATION SYSTEM RETURNS TOA TRUE MERITOCRACY AND THE POPULATION IS FORCED TO TAKE THE JOBS THEY ARE ACTUALLY FIT FOR.

  96. Continuing the list with a focus on the Administrations past promises and overall posture….
    10. Make sure “card check” never ever ever sees the light of day.
    11. Fix the Federal highway Trust Fund so that the three lords it serves are separate but equal. (highways,leaking tanks and mass transit)
    12. Take ACA back to the wood shed it beat it to within an inch of its life so some jobs can be saved.

  97. 1. Curtail offshore outsourcing. so companies move their entire operations offshore
    2. Cap executive bonuses and redirect that money into either higher worker wages or job security higher dividends.
    3. Offer workers salary cuts instead of layoffs. (Punishes all employees and assumes all employees of equal value).
    4. Get off that pile of cash you’re sitting on and invest in R&D so your products aren’t so shitty and you can profit by selling good stuff, not artificial profits off the backs of the lives you’ve ruined through layoffs. (Turn the operations of free enterprise over to government).

    A fine list of Marxism and more big government.

    Let’s talk about what would really work and be palatable to the people who actually create the jobs and own the companies. Some Alfie already mentioned.

    1. Get rid of Obamacare, streamlining the HR process and reducing risk.
    2. Lower the U.S. corporate tax rates which are the highest in the industrialized world.
    3. As Alfie previously stated, repeal Sarbanes Oxley and Frank Dodd
    4. Redo Workman’s Comp and minimize class action lawsuits.
    5. Repeal needless regulation which now costs 1.75 trillion a year, simplify the tax code, eliminate the EPA and the Dept. of Energy,

  98. “3. Offer workers salary cuts instead of layoffs.”

    Says the guy who’s complaining about salary cuts.

    Here’s one: Don’t punish business for being competitive.

    Or, government price controls, right comrade? 🙄

  99. 96 and 128 fail for the simple reason prager is a zionist jew defending zionism utilizing the same tired, old propaganda . Zionism was properly identified as racism by the UN until it was pressured to back down from that apparent yet uncomfortable truth. As if that changes the reality. 🙄 And like anything else the UN declares, if it doesn’t aid or exonerate Israel, it isn’t enforced and doesn’t hold any weight.

    I’m surprised you two apologists haven’t applied for Israeli citizenship.

  100. Sorry I got confused. I don’t agree with the repeal of Sarbanes Oxley. I had a brain fart and thought Alfie was referring to Glass-Steagall which should be re-instated.

  101. Says the guy who’s complaining about salary cuts.

    OMG can you be thick. There is a DIFFERENCE between offering crappy salaries to start with vs giving someone free choice to STAY employed at a decreased salary.

    I would still be at Big Blue today if they’d offered me a pay cut instead of a layoff.

  102. I’m suggesting Tigre that companies use their imagination to disrupt their good employees lives as little as possible. Alfie mentioned job sharing, another good approach.

  103. “There is a DIFFERENCE between offering crappy salaries to start with vs giving someone free choice to STAY employed at a decreased salary.”

    The difference being that you would have a job as opposed to someone else. Yeah. Great rebuttal.

  104. The difference being that you would have a job as opposed to someone else. Yeah. Great rebuttal.

    Huh? Yes of course the goal is to keep ones job while the company rights itself profit-wise. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

  105. “Tigre who ever said raising the min wage was THE fix? It’s a piece of it.”

    No it’s not.

    You’re move.

  106. “Huh? Yes of course the goal is to keep ones job while the company rights itself profit-wise. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive.”

    Huh? Legacy rights? Is that some kind of fairness thing? Now employees, existing and new, are fungible? Sure thing.

  107. You’re taking the exchange in a different direction.

    Legacy? We’re not talking college admissions here. I don’t think the following is so outrageous:

    Obtain employment.
    Perform per company standards and keep your job.
    Non-perform and lose your job after appropriate counseling.
    Hire “new” people as business needs dictate.

    Doesn’t seem radical to me.

    As for min wage, you and I disagree on the proper function of government. Government should “prod” folks to follow their better angels. There are businesses who would employ slave labor if they could get away with it. We need government to prevent that.

    I get the vibe that you think the free market cures all ills. I believe unfettered capitalism can be predatory. I believe in regulated capitalism.

    And yes probably the only reason I’m not a Marxist is I think it is contrary to human nature and therefore doomed to failure.

  108. Two people were conspicuous by their absence from Alfie’s list: Jeb Bush and … wait for it … Mitt Romney.

    I would not put it past Romney to run again and given Hillary’s tone deafness regarding her own wealth, Mitt’s wealth would become a non-issue.

  109. I’m surprised you two apologists haven’t applied for Israeli citizenship.

    I would not be surprised if there’s not a prayer rug in the Poolman family room, and a couple of swastika flags in the living room for curtains – plus a Hitler mustache on the grandpa.

  110. To paraphrase Rick Perry, if the disproportionate loss of Palestinian lives doesn’t make you stop and think, then you don’t have a heart.

    There are about 6,500,000 Jews in Israel. There are over 1,000,000,000 Muslims who want them dead. Only an utter moron and math major from Harvard would believe in a proportional war.

    Good grief. No wonder the man was terminated from Big Blue.

  111. “I get the vibe that you think the free market cures all ills.”

    No. I don’t believe in shoveling shit against a tide. Preferring unemployment through $15 per hour minimum wage standards is the “ill.” The same for putting in regulatory restrictions that require companies to hold on to undesirable labor at the expense of desirable.

    I get the vibe that you think that all or even most business sits on hordes of cash and operates to screw workers out of some perverse greed or enjoyment. But this belief only shows that you don’t know who or what types of business actually employee the majority in this country.

    That’s my “vibe” or what you refer to as ” corporate shilling.”

  112. Oh, and by the way, Rutherford. These poor, poor casualties of Palestinian civilians you are reading about in the media? From the WAPO – a source I think you will find isn’t owned by WND:

    The media has engaged in journalistic malpractice by reporting casualty figures for civilians coming from Gaza as gospel. The figures come from the Gazan Ministry of Health, which is controlled by Hamas. The Ministry of Health counts everyone not in uniform as a civilian. Most Hamas fighters don’t wear uniforms. The UN is sometimes sourced for the figures, but the UN gets its figures from … the Gazan Ministry of Health. Contrary to early reports that 80% or so of the early casualties were civilians, Al-Jazeera published names and ages, and about 3/4 were men of fighting age (16-50), compared to a rough estimate of 20% of the Gazan population (40% to 50% of which is fourteen and under). Some of those men were undoubtedly civilians, but it strains credulity to believe that 80% of the casualties were civilian but just-so-happened to be overwhelmingly fighting-age men.

  113. Hamas operates under the same instinct as Obama and the Democratic party. Both sides are willing to hurt people to further their agendas

    During the sequester and “shut down” the administration told agencies to make as much pain as possible. They even stopped WW11 veterans from visiting their memorial. They opposed the Iraqi surge because the status quo with a fairly high death rate furthered their political ambitions for the next election.ln short our dead soldiers was good for their side. Look up Slow Bleed.

    Hamas tells civilians to stay put after Israel warns of attacks. They arm schools, hospitals and residential areas to let the maximum number of people die. Both orgainzations are exercrable people separated by degree.

    My leap of logic is documented as I have shown in the past. Neither organization cares about its people. Their leaders are willing to impose any sacrifice upon their followers from a safe distance.

  114. Rutherford you were right the first time….
    Repeal Sarbanes Oxley,it’s anti-Enron notions were well intended but the regulatory record keeping lawyer hiring crap fest it spawned not so much.
    I am actually a proponent for the reinstatement of Glass Steagall. I think given the lessons learned the economy would benefit from it. It would benefit in a manner exactly the same as those that authored thought it would (and for a good run did). That said as Tex noted Dodd Frank must die and it should be pretty easy since I don’t think it has fully rolled out yet.

  115. Despite the double negatives, I get your drift, dhimmi. Btw, every rug is/can be a prayer rug in my house. And, just so you know: The swastika (the word translates to ‘well-being’) was an ancient hindu symbol, has a long history of use in europe, is found among native american cultures, and was used as a good luck symbol by western culture before it was hijacked by the nazis. Just like oklahoma which meant ‘red people’ and now means redneck paradise.

  116. Two people were conspicuous by their absence from Alfie’s list: Jeb Bush and … wait for it … Mitt Romney.

    I don’t find Jed credible and I don’t think he is consistently a top “A” lister for the early punditry and the legacy is bad.
    As for Mitt I am taking him on his word and crushed that I have to try to hold myself to mine,he isn’t running. That said I think he or one of the “B”s are the best bet to take out Hillary if she runs unopposed
    If Biden,Warren or someone else steps in the equation changes.

  117. @ ET 147 not for nothing and I think you’d stip that many many many companies believe employees are fungible.
    I certainly believe this to be true which seems to be backed by both the acceptance & support of and the resistance to concepts such as tele-commuting,job share and as R touched on cuts instead of termination. Companies are too quick too narrow minded,too vanilla MBA pussy to think outside the box and actually save a company with a long and mid term focus. Its all knee jerk right-right now shit.
    You lived up here once upon a time so you may be familiar with a company called Raytheon. In its hey day they had (hell they may still go this way) the insane program of letting everyone go when a project completed. They then went through the trial of finding “good” people for the next project. Sometimes the new project was related to the old one and you just dumped the skills out!

  118. I work for a company that took great pains to illustrate why it made a number of big decisions that hit employees hard. The hits included no 401 match although the pension was paid in full so kind of a wash perhaps,bonus payout NADA,health insurance cost jump. All of these items could be traced to things Tex and I are on about.
    I appreciated the honesty,disagreed with a component or two,but still understood why I am right of center. Perhaps Rutherford you can’t see it is how you are on the Left.

  119. Wow. The US embassy in Libya was moved to Malta. Failed state.

    Remember when all the Democrats were giving one another high fives over Libya?

  120. “Companies are too quick too narrow minded,too vanilla MBA pussy to think outside the box and actually save a company with a long and mid term focus. Its all knee jerk right-right now shit.” -A

    Man….it sure seems like it, doesn’t it? And, particularly in areas like computer programming…they sure like to dump everyone right after the project and then scramble for the next one.

    Do you think it’s a chicken or the egg type situation?

    Engineers and Computer Programmers jumped ship themselves so much when the economy was blazing that pay backs are a bitch during down turns and an infusion of Indian workers?

    My brother is a computer programmer who has never had job stability. It all always ends up working out for him….but damn is it boom and bust. He’s always a sub contractor. He still doesn’t have a family yet…I think the lack of stability is one of the reasons.

  121. dead rabbit you hit on a very hot topic with your #162. I apologize in advance for the following ramble….
    I have a big problem with how America as a nation fails to top shelf itself.
    The tech sector is still very hot in MA and I live at one of the focal points of companies and the employees. Not for nothing but it boggles my mind that the same state that houses MIT has to/chooses to “import” so many folks from New Delhi,Mumbai and Calcutta. Don’t get me wrong I love ( I really do) going to the local park and seeing the guys trying to play cricket on the baseball field and they make great neighbors and community parents in the schools but employing them short term over a citizen and then sending them away when “we’re done with ’em” strikes me as wrong on so many levels.
    I seriously think its a laziness thing on behalf of the companies and government. The same companies give money,time and hard assets to the schools to encourage learning in the STEM arena yet don’t seem patient or intent on harvesting the folks later. Meanwhile when curriculum is introduced to encourage STEM learning & excellence we get political subsets bitching.

  122. I am sure there a re plenty more companies someone could identify, Alfie. Again, we’re talking simple economic principles, not tales of woe. I know a number of businesses that operate entirely different from what you describe and bend over backwards for employees. That’s not the point as touched in @ 55.

    You can’t and shouldn’t view all employers are giant detached MBA managed Fortune 5’s because that was your experience or fits the caricature of “business” generally that sets up a modern day Dickens morality play who think liberal politicians know how business operates better than the businesses themselves.

    There’s a bodega around the corner that may very well make the bulk of its income from the sandwiches it makes at he counter at lunch. It’s family run but primarily employs H.S. students to operate. $15 an hour would kill the business. Rutherford thinks that’s a cost that should be paid because, ceteris peribus, employment at giant fast food conglomerates can’t support a family at a decent standard.

    I am partner at a firm that qualifies as a small employer. We have been crushed by the costs of healthcare, tax and labyrinth of employment regulations that we have to hire professionals and other lawyers to advise us on. The thought that we must be required to provide space to an employees based on tenure rather than be permitted to decide for ourselves who should be laid or hired based on the exigencies at the point is ridiculous.

    I can’t say whether Big Blue fucked Rutherford and his wife by letting them go rather than giving him a pay cut. The way he describes his work experience sure makes me question whether the decision was unwise. I’ve also wondered why Rutherford hasn’t sought employment at a small shop. But that’s not the point. Humans are not fungible in the context of the discussion we’re having (which of course creates the paradox of favoring tenure over business decision which disproves it). We’re talking about the economics (at least I am) of white collar employment not manual unskilled labor (actually (fungible) until raising minimum wage gets worked into the discussion.

    Yes, businesses of all kinds make unwise and unfair employment decisions. Others don’t. Not the point.

  123. FWIW El Tigre I am more trying to understand the two of you than trying to fight or conjoin you so thanks for bearing with me.
    With your latest I get a clearer picture especially regards white collar tenure. I am actually a big employment at will proponent.
    I do wonder about your firm though,kind of super patriarchal if you get to decide who gets laid 🙂

  124. Also thanks for the re referencing of comment # 55 it helps with the likelihood that I lost the plot.
    I don’t want to put words or concepts in Rutherfords stead but I was leaning that Rutherford was equally concerned about corporate behavior as it impacts the greater economy. Perhaps I am over reading him in places I don’t know,perhaps I should stay out of you and R’s dialog. 🙂

  125. A real question I have is why R doesn’t seek employment at a small shop if the dehumanizing of the large is such an issue. There’s obviously a two way street there.

  126. Don’t worry. There is no dialogue. Pointing out what I have makes one a “corporate shill.” I just need to come to grips with it. 🙄

  127. R – “To paraphrase Rick Perry, if the disproportionate loss of Palestinian lives doesn’t make you stop and think, then you don’t have a heart. ”

    Unless you come to grips with the fact that Hamas deliberately places its missile launchers in the middle of population centers, such as schools, mosques, hospitals, private homes, in hopes of causing as many Palestinian casualties as possible when the Israelis move to take them out – and Hamas does this all in the cynical effort to get their own people killed for propaganda effect.

    The fact remains: The Israelis do NOT EVER target civilians; Hamas targets them specifically, including their own.

  128. ” Again, WTF are you talking about? Ends sovereign borders?
    Rabbit you are smarter than this drivel.” -R

    Perhaps rabbit is referring at least in part to the fact that Obama has gone from pretending he’s loathe to change existing law (which is a lie and one that was defended by you Rutherford with the phony observation that we would be screaming about overreach if he did) to telegraphing his desire to change the definition of refugee.

    Which isn’t drivel but rather something you don’t know about or understand or care about.

  129. From the link to drudge –

    “He wants us to impeach him now,” Stockman theorized, “before the midterm election because his senior advisors believe that is the only chance the Democratic Party has to avoid a major electoral defeat. Evidently Obama believes impeachment could motivate the Democratic Party base to come out and vote.”

    Doesn’t sound nutty to me at all.

  130. “96 and 128 fail for the simple reason prager is a zionist jew defending zionism utilizing the same tired, old propaganda.”

    To summarize – once again, he’s a racist. That’s not debate it’s fat granny chin wagging.

    Two simple questions – 1) What part of what he said is untrue? And 2) what’s the opposing argument?

  131. Losing a job is a part of life. A fairly natural occurrence and not one to take personally. What is “up” without the “down?”

    So is anyone thinking about buying Apple stock now by the way?

    As far as the Republican maybes – Ben Carson. 🙂 I’m not sure yet how he fits in but I like him a lot. I like Scott Walker too and if he can survive his first actual reelection against a very stubborn teacher’s union and other state sponsored bullies (Walker froze tuition and boy are the teachers steamed) then he may prove to be a contender.

  132. “I am actually a big employment at will proponent.”

    Me too.

    A hierarchy seems to me to be a natural way to do the business side of living.

  133. “To paraphrase Rick Perry, if the disproportionate loss of Palestinian lives doesn’t make you stop and think, then you don’t have a heart.”

    Can we assume then that the woes of women and of Christians at the hands of the rising Islamic State over in Hell on Earth causes your heart to hurt and you’re just not saying it?

  134. Despite the double negatives, I get your drift, dhimmi.

    Full Definition of DHIMMI
    : a person living in a region overrun by Muslim conquest who was accorded a protected status and allowed to retain his or her original faith
    Origin of DHIMMI
    Arabic dhimmīy

    You obviously don’t recognize the humor and irony of calling me dhimmi, dumb ass. 😛

    Good gawd, you’re thick.

  135. Ga’s at will. Obviously I think it is preferable to the alternatives. But it also has pernicious collateral issues. For example, I see long term employees handed no compete or forfeiture of earned but unpaid commissions contracts with the implicit threat of termination if they don’t sign. For someone with a family, it’s near extortion and is the product of employee complacency/reliance/naiveté regarding negotiated terms of employment in advance. It’s the flip side of companies being held hostage by their own employees in the worker rights states.

  136. re: AAPL

    Gross margin 38.4% – near record
    Net operating margin 28.8%
    EPS 6.2 – near record
    Cash flow – 56.4 billion
    Debt – 13 billion
    Cash on hand – 17 billion
    ROA – about 20 – lower than max – abt 30
    ROE – 32% nearly unheard of
    P/E ratio about 15 – market average now abt 20:1 AAPL expected to go to about 12.5 in 2016

    Long on AAPL. Very little else out there with its financials. Target abt 1000/share (old) – 143/share post split. No brainer

  137. You know you’re a success Parker when your Sales disappoint (Fox Business Channel) because you only sold 35,000,000 I-phones last month.

    That’s incredible…

  138. Rutherford,

    I’ve been thinking of subject material you could write about that would be relevant to all of us. In fact, I would appreciate it out of nothing more than curiosity. Maybe something more worthy of your talents like you used to write.

    You have taken several of us to task for giving our own opinions to the reasons of Obama’s failure. Yet, you only beat around the bush about your opinions as to why he’s been such a disappointment. I’ll assume that not to the degree Obama’s critics here, but you have admitted as much.

    Why don’t you provide the reasons you believe for the most part Obama has failed?

  139. There are about 6,500,000 Jews in Israel. There are over 1,000,000,000 Muslims who want them dead. Only an utter moron and math major from Harvard would believe in a proportional war.

    First you pulled the numbers out of your ass. Every Muslim does not hate Jews.

    Second 95% of Hamas missiles never reach their target. Israel claims they are mounting a defensive war which is utter nonsense. Their technology is their defense. They are mounting an offensive war.

    Believe me. I get it when Bibi says the hundreds of rockets fired into Israel is unsustainable. But the “human shield” excuse only goes so far. There has to be a point at which you say “we’ve killed enough innocent women and children. We have to find a better way.”

  140. No wonder the man was terminated from Big Blue.

    By the way, just like a poker tell, when you start tossing the insults, it’s clear you’re holding a pair of twos.

  141. The same for putting in regulatory restrictions that require companies to hold on to undesirable labor at the expense of desirable.

    Definition please. Desirable?

    If you mean trading the incompetent for the competent, I could not agree with you more. If you mean offshoring to an INCOMPETENT Indian because you can pay him pennies on the dollar, then we’ve got a problem.

    And this ain’t theory. I saw it up close and personal. India based contractors not showing up to meetings or hitting deadlines and their managers not doing squat about it. But damn it made the bottom line look great to shareholders.

  142. The media has engaged in journalistic malpractice by reporting casualty figures for civilians …

    See, you should have lead with this and kept the Big Blue insult in your quiver. You can make a good point when you actually try.

    The source of the casualty numbers DOES matter. But I would ask you why then has Israel not refuted the numbers themselves?

  143. “Definition please. Desirable?”

    Definition is depends on the company and position — and that’s the point.

    For example, and example only, I have learned that there are a lot of applicants for administrative positions in the law firm that are looking for a work environment that they believe will help them get into law school, get experience while in law school, buy time/temporary source of income, etc. (e.g. stepping stone). In some instance that is desirable (e.g. summer clerkships either to fill an immediate need or lead to employment after graduation) but economic conditions make long term undesirable based on long term projected costs. In others, long term is desirable, like with personal assistants that are looking for a lifetime career and that’s what we’re after.

    As you’d guess, we collectively feel that everyone is paid what they’re worth to us. A $35k receptionist versus $100k + office administrator.

    Our business model and projections make dictate the decisions. Maybe a high producing attorney is leaving and we have to adjust for the loss of income. Sometimes the opposite.

    You get the gist. . . I would hope. Imposing Rutherford’s one-size-fits-all determinations based on vague notions of “fairness” from the worker’s perspective can be hugely “unfair” and result the worst of unintended consequences.

  144. Damn Tigre I’m NOT talking about tenure. I’m talking about people doing their job being thrown out on the street. Employment, ideally, should not end with the employer saying “it’s not you, it’s me.”

    And yes I get the notion of “at will” employment. I’m not suggesting any company be forced to retain the incompetent 40 year vet who has been under the radar of the last ten years. But in many cases, top performers are being senselessly purged.

    And kudos to Alfie who correctly points out corporate laziness and lack of imagination.

  145. A real question I have is why R doesn’t seek employment at a small shop if the dehumanizing of the large is such an issue. There’s obviously a two way street there.

    Where I seek employment now is governed by several things including my health.

    But yes I lean very much now towards the small shop. My happiest days at IBM were when I was on a small team that was almost a company unto itself.

    My experience tells me NOTHING beats a team of folks who truly believe in their product and love coming to work everyday. All good things flow from that.

    Tigre can you not agree one symptom of our fucked economy is we have 40 year old men saying “would you like fries with that?”

    If MickyD’s were only putting high school and college kids behind the counter, I’d consider 15 bucks an hour absurd. That’s not the world we are living in right now.

  146. But it also has pernicious collateral issues.

    Well goodness gracious, the first comment by Tigre in this thread that shows he gives any thought to unfair business practices. Not as hopeless as I thought.

  147. “Damn Tigre I’m NOT talking about tenure. I’m talking about people doing their job being thrown out on the street. Employment, ideally, should not end with the employer saying “it’s not you, it’s me.”

    See my #186.

    Generally loyalty and longevity are very valuable. However, that value depends on the position — not whether they’re “doing their job.” A very loyal and experienced receptionist’s value is not high when on-staff full time secretaries can answer phones and still fulfill their other job functions.

    Your idea of prototypical business based on “your” employment experience is at the heart of your arguments, is unmovable, and leads only to another charge of “obfuscation” if rationally challenged. There’s no debating someone that’s starting and ending point is that business is inherently evil. But it explains why your policies result in the employment situation flowing from Obama policies the result of which he must lie about to liberal suckas.

  148. “Tigre can you not agree one symptom of our fucked economy is we have 40 year old men saying “would you like fries with that?”

    Since it has and always will be the case to one degree or another regardless of economic conditions I can’t say that it is or isn’t. A more obvious symptom are legions of 40 year old heads of households on food stamps, disability, welfare, unemployment — all of which are soul-crushing even in the short term.

  149. There’s no debating someone that’s starting and ending point is that business is inherently evil.

    You have a habit of writing poor Cliff’s Notes to my comments. I suppose I do the same.

    I’ve never said business is evil. I’ve said some corporate practices have contributed to our lousy economy and that there is a mind set at play that no Obama stim or Romney free market dereg solution can fix.

  150. “I’ve never said business is evil.”

    We corporate shills will shorthand these things. 🙄

    Looks like missed the most explicit: Tigre’s 164 to Alfie.

    “Yes, businesses of all kinds make unwise and unfair employment decisions. Others don’t. Not the point.” 🙄

  151. R, my you find a fulfilling gig with a small employer. Maybe it’ll help you become less bitter and re-think policies you support that would destroy it.

  152. Tex, I chose the label on purpose, knowing full well what it means. It may have been a bit on the sarcastic side, but does play well with your oft stated islamophobic outlook.

    I get it when Bibi says the hundreds of rockets fired into Israel is unsustainable.

    If it were actually true. There is no proof the iron dome is anything more than a psychological toy to keep Israelis subservient. It’s been questioned whether it is actually hitting ANY incoming rockets. Let’s look to any real evidence. Videos show the missiles taking off and exploding in the air, but no evidence of any rockets being hit. Everything found falling back to earth has been parts of the actual missiles fired at these supposed rockets.

  153. Hah I’m listening to the Highwaymen rabbit but the live version while SPLENDID ON THE EYES left something to be desired for the ears on that song and also Willie doing City of New Orleans (the studio version of that is wonderful). So I didn’t think you guys would do what I do just enjoy watching Kristofferon walk around the stage.

    Tigre, I love when you and Rutherford engage. It’s like watching Gladiator and Commodus.

  154. I’m not suggesting any company be forced to retain the incompetent 40 year vet who has been under the radar of the last ten years.
    You don’t have to suggest it since FLSA 1938 et al kind of makes the law of the land or at least in the scenario you suggest very co$tly for many an employer to act on.

  155. Rutherford, business isn’t evil. It’s benign. Actually talent and trade are basic to our species. The system it must operate within today is evil. That system helps evil businesses prosper and makes it more difficult for the compassionate and honest ones to survive. We try to compartmentalize our lives, separating our business self from our personal self. It may work for accounting purpose, but doesn’t work with our psyche. It can split one’s personality, which isn’t healthy either. That makes it easier for psychopaths to prosper, for sure. Look around, we’re being led by them.

    But if you could find a small employer, as Tigre suggested, you may be more at ease and enjoy your work. I love what I do. Working for someone becomes much like a family and some are positive environments while others are pretty messed up.

    How do you atheists decide on career, anyway? Feelings?

  156. How do you atheists decide on career, anyway? Feelings?

    OK that was weird. What religious principles inform your career choice Pools other than the knowledge that your clients can’t walk on water?

  157. telegraphing his desire to change the definition of refugee.

    Once again our sources differ Muffy. I hear the White House wants to change THE BUSH law that makes it harder to deport these Central American children. They want to get them out FASTER, not change the definition of refugees to keep them here as you imply.

    This is not being said explicitly by the WH because they don’t want the bad PR of insensitivity to kids.

  158. I read long excerpts of two of Ben Carson’s books and it was close to watching paint dry. It might be unfair to judge a book by one chapter but then I applied the same test to Hillary’s new book and was similarly unimpressed.

  159. Can we assume then that the woes of women and of Christians at the hands of the rising Islamic State over in Hell on Earth causes your heart to hurt and you’re just not saying it?

    How about you stop deflecting and make a straight forward defense of 1000 dead Palestinians vs 30 Israelis. I watched Netanyahu on two Sunday shows today and he never used Tex’s argument of inaccurate numbers.

    And Muffy, while I wouldn’t want the legendary Elric to hear this, I think radical Islam has emerged as the biggest threat to a peaceful world.

  160. It sounds like an insult.

    I remember Commodus from history class. He was a co- emperer with his father for a while, and he, like Obama was blamed for taking Rome into decline. He like Obama and Progressives on occasion, tried to physically destroy his enemies.

    “Forever Alive” a Romanian video unintentionally shows the decline, arguably of Rome or the United States from a golden era to decay.

  161. I agree, Rutherford. Islam has been fighting a long intermittent war with us for over a thousand years. They won’t stop until we have been converted or killed.

  162. Your point is that Israel is overeacting?

    Is your other point that Dr Carson bores you?

    @#208 – you haven’t heard about the refugee ‘solution’ to the border crisis or are you saying something else? PS your wheel is stuck in the BUSH rut, yo.

  163. Believe me. I get it when Bibi says the hundreds of rockets fired into Israel is unsustainable. But the “human shield” excuse only goes so far. There has to be a point at which you say “we’ve killed enough innocent women and children. We have to find a better way.”

    At what point when a freely elected representative called Hamas has in its charter the extermination of Israel, should the Jews begin to believe them, Mr. Rutherford, and I believe most Muslims are a peace loving people?

    You do realize less than 10 years ago, Hamas suicide bombers killed over 2,000 Israeli Jews in suicide bombings, don’t you? Did you bother to watch the subhuman scum carry their brother in arms on his death bed before the suicide bombing blew many of them to their deaths. Did you happen to read who it is that is providing the number of the dead?

    You didn’t watch the five minute video both Pfesser Parker and I provided. Or equally likely, you did watch it and it didn’t fit your narrative of what you want to believe like Obama 2008.

    Like economics, this is one subject you should definitely leave alone, Rutherford. You know nothing of the history and nothing of the source.

    All you know is what the Jew hatin’ parrots of MSNBC tell you that you ought to believe.

  164. Christians are being exterminated and cleansed from Iraq and Syria. But we seem to think they are equivalent to bible-thumping Texas evangelicals and their killers exotic versions of Che, and so the ethnic cleansing is rarely condemned.

    If Barack Obama would just close his eyes and envision ISIS, Hamas, or Putin as the Tea Party or Fox News, and then react accordingly, the world would be a safer place. ~ VDH

  165. Your point is that Israel is overeacting?

    Is your other point that Dr Carson bores you?

    @#208 – you haven’t heard about the refugee ‘solution’ to the border crisis or are you saying something else? PS your wheel is stuck in the BUSH rut, yo.

    I don’t like the word overreacting because it implies Israel should not be as upset as it is. They should be very upset. I’m just not convinced they’ve tried hard enough to minimize civilian casualties.

    In one book, Carson bored me to tears with his account of his prep for the National Prayer Breakfast. The dude also prays A LOT. I hope he doesn’t pray for guidance in the OR.

    In the other book he started with a history lesson. Again, boring as hell. The only thing I enjoyed reading was that the man is not blind to racism or in denial about it. I’d like to HEAR more from him cos on the page, he just ain’t doing it for me.

    (By the way Hillary’s book takes turns at false modesty and no modesty. Some of the observations were so pedestrian that only a groupie could give a shit– like a description of her office furniture.)

    Regarding the border, I’ve heard liberals screaming refugee but I’ve also heard that Obama and the WH want to make the law more restrictive to match the current circumstance. And I stay in the Bush rut, yo, cos the pre-911 Bush ran as compassionate conservative, something you hard-liners would prefer to forget.

    I think one of the saddest twists of fate to befall our nation was we never got to see what kind of Prez a non-911 Bush would have been.

  166. Tex if you got your nose out of Drudge etc you’d see MSNBC is hardly the only media outlet second guessing Bibi’s approach. I’m guessing Bibi did the full Ginsburg today and I’m guessing in EVERY interview he was asked about “overreach”. I’ll watch Fox tonight when I hit the hay and see if Chris Wallace asks him – I’m betting yes.

    Oh and Muffy you said “overreaching” not “overreacting”. My bad – but my answer is the same.

  167. I was talking to the Chaldeans at the party store the other day.

    They can’t believe the systematic purging of some of the oldest Christian populations in the world isn’t even 3rd page news.

    It’s a Holocaust.

    As for Gaza, I for one hate seeing the death. Kills me to see children hurt. I blame the people who brought this upon them. Hamas.

  168. Tex if you got your nose out of Drudge etc you’d see MSNBC is hardly the only media outlet second guessing Bibi’s approach

    My nose is a lot of places, but the one place it is not is sniffing around your grievance hustling world of Obama and Leftist media outlets. It’s the same stale package of Jew haters in association with a feckless UN that’s been going on before you and I were born.

    But by all means, get specific your sources and let’s measure your own credibility. I find so little of it anymore…

  169. “How about you stop deflecting and make a straight forward defense of 1000 dead Palestinians vs 30 Israelis. ”

    Deflecting?

    We are saying these casualties are part of the Hamas strategy. They are using human shields.

    Secondly, do you know the Gaza strip is one of the most dense areas in the world? Hell, I think it might be number one. Picture trying operate an offensive in Manhattan.

    You think its not in Israeli interests to avoid casualties?

    Hamas’ greatest weapon are the fools who live in the West and the ignorant Arab street.

  170. They can’t believe the systematic purging of some of the oldest Christian populations in the world isn’t even 3rd page news.

    It’s a Holocaust.

    Not to Rutherford’s little insular world, it ain’t. What you and I call genocide Rabbit, Rutherford would call progress.

  171. And I would just dearly love for our primary resident Jew hater to now justify for us the systematic slaughter of Christians in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Egypt, and Nigeria.

    How about it, Poolman? Can you provide some really dynamite theology and soothing words to the Christian families running for their lives from the bloody hands of the same fine religion of peace you’re always enabling to justify killing Jews?

  172. I read that Hamas used forced child labor to dig their tunnels. They killed over a hundred of their own children just digging those things.

    They are sick and evil.

  173. What religious principles inform your career choice Pools other than the knowledge that your clients can’t walk on water?

    Religious principles? I’m talking guidance. We can all walk on water, Rutherford, given a small measure of faith. The difficulty is in sustaining that faith.

  174. Tex so far the more mainstream NBC (not MS) and CBS have put the question of overreach to Netanyahu. I’ll check Fox later tonight.

    We can all agree that Hamas is a bad actor, to put it mildly but I ask you this. When we willfully let hostages get killed when we go after the hostage taker, aren’t recriminations visited upon us later?

    The Palestinian people are in some sense hostages of Hamas and Israel is killing the hostages to get the hostage taker.

    And honestly I don’t know what else Israel can do but damn this just doesn’t seem right. Entire neighborhoods turned to rubble.

  175. The Palestinian people are in some sense hostages of Hamas and Israel is killing the hostages to get the hostage taker.

    Just as America is learning the hard way, elections are not some joke to be trivialized. These ‘hostages’ freely elected Hamas to lead them.

    NBC and CBS are simply Democratic agitprop, and you know it. NBC and MSNBC are virtually inseparable anymore, one just straight news – if there is such a thing. And both still covering for Obama, biased beyond belief.

  176. 219 satisfies me, Rutherford.

    That article maybe unintentionally supports the impeachment of the president. All that stops the trial are Democrats and the press who refuse to see the truth hourgh blindness or evil intent. They cover for the president with lies and omissions to hood wink ignorant voters,.

  177. Rutherford,

    People like you and Lurker, who in 2008 were wide eyed bunnies for Obama, with Lurker still fawning, need to chew on this. From an old Democrat, mind you:

    ———–

    The net worth of blacks and Hispanics has declined relative to whites. The black poverty rate stood at 27.2% in 2012, and for Hispanics, 25.6%. At the same time as poor kids are flocking here from Central America, child poverty among Latinos has risen sharply, from 27.5% in 2007 to 33.7% percent in 2012.

    One would think these statistics would make someone question at least somewhat boilerplate progressive polices, which certainly have not worked better than standard brand conservatism. But often the common answer to these trends has been a call for more “progressive” social policies that would seek to redistribute wealth and to enforce racial equity in everything from housing to university admission. Given Republican control of the House, these racial and class politics are increasingly most keenly felt in the states and cities.

    There are numerous signs of this, including Seattle’s $15 an hour minimum wage and similar proposals in other cities. The thrust of New York Mayor Bill De Blasio’s administration seems to be to provide ever more succor to the city’s large, heavily minority, poor and working-class population through early childhood education and more subsidized housing.

    As an old Democrat, I am sympathetic to the concerns. But it’s dubious the deep blue cities have found a solution. Let’s start with the gap between rich and poor. For the most part the regions and states with the widest gap between the classes are overwhelmingly dominated by modern progressivism.

    The capital of blue America, New York City, has easily the worst levels of inequality in the country, with an income distribution that approaches that of South Africa under apartheid, notes demographer Wendell Cox.

    But New York is hardly the only progressive stronghold with searing inequality. A recent Brookings report found that of the regions with the greatest income disparity only one, Atlanta, is located in a red-leaning state. These include San Francisco, Miami, Boston, Washington, D.C., New York, Oakland, Chicago and Los Angeles. The lowest degree of inequality was found generally historically more conservative cities like Ft. Worth, Texas; Oklahoma City; Raleigh, N.C.; and Mesa, Ariz. Income inequality has risen most rapidly in the probably the most left-leaning big American city of luxury progressivism, San Francisco, where the wages of the poorest 20% of all households have actually declined amid the dot-com billions.

  178. If the world were not falling apart in large part due to the feckless nature of the failed Presidency, and the Obama regime, and Obama wasn’t dominating the news by having a scandal crush the previous scandal, and America wasn’t being overthrown on the Southern border, this would be headline news reminding us how abjectly ignorant ‘progressive’ leaders really are:

  179. I know, Tex. It’s all about how evil hamas is. The video quality is very poor and the comment section notes the footage was most likely shot during the conflict between fatah and hamas in 2007 at a memorial commemorating arafat’s passing. That seems credible given the narration. Are you aware Israel supported hamas to upset fatah? Probably not. You are probably also unaware that plenty of Jews do not support this war and have made it public, as this report proves:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/not-in-our-namejews-stage-massive-anti-war-protests-in-tel-aviv-new-york-and-elsewhere/5393512

  180. Rutherford I think something that is pretty evident is that the conflict in Gaza today is viewed through a prism that completely misses the point.

  181. Interesting tidbit: looks like the Israelis (likely) took Arafat out with 210 Po, like Litvinenko.

    Thousands of times more poisonous than cyanide, Polonium-210 is deadly in a quantity of one microgram, due to alpha-emission (ejection of a He nucleus – very common decay path for extremely heavy elements). Very efficient. There is a tiny, less than one percent, decay via gamma. It is so radioactive that it is used as a heat source to keep the electronics warm on satellites. Good stuff.

  182. The video quality is very poor and the comment section notes the footage was most likely shot during the conflict between fatah and hamas in 2007 at a memorial commemorating arafat’s passing.

    The comment section is full of Islamic, Jew hatin’ enablers like you. Poolman. 😈 And since your cognitively motivated, you’ll find any wretched excuse to defend the indefensible. Now why would they be forcing people into buildings during Arafat’s passing with clubs and guns again? And what would motivate a German crew to film this?

    Do you have any ideal how hollow your propaganda is sounding anymore, Himmler? Did you ever explain this to Rutherford?

  183. I actually went to the movies last night. I go maybe once or twice a year. I can’t sit through movies anymore and no longer enjoy B movie action shtick (which is most of Hollywood these days). Considering its a summer blockbuster with a no plot twists (the same plot repeated countless times) Planet of the Apes actually moderately entertained me. Good stuff if your in the mood for that type of thing. I thought the audio and CGI was awesome.

  184. Pfessor, saw your photo bombed pro life rally pictures. Whatever dude. Its a free country.

    If Dadaism and “Les Arts Incohérents” is the last response you people have then, its no wonder the pro life stance is growing so quickly.

    I love turtles.

  185. “And honestly I don’t know what else Israel can do but damn this just doesn’t seem right.”

    That is just about the most unpointed thing I’ve read here in hours.

  186. Tex @ #232 – 😆 So true. Listen to that video very closely and at the 10 second mark you can faintly hear someone whistle a “cuckoo.”

  187. And what would motivate a German crew to film this?

    It’s actually from a german documentary. Es tut mir leid du kannst keinen deutsch sprechen.

  188. So I’m hearing from my trusted Fox News that Obama flip flopped on changing the Bush non contiguous immigration law. Supposedly he caved to Dem pressure.

  189. “After President Bill Clinton in 1998 became only the second president to be impeached, his public approval hit 73%, the highest rating of his administration, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll.”

    And the writing was clearly on the wall America’s days were numbered…we have reaped what we have sown since the days of Clinton.

    The leader of the free world now sits in Jerusalem; the former leader plays golf and raises campaign funds for a losing proposition.

  190. Yup not only did Fox ask Bibi the same question as CBS and NBC, Chris Wallace was actually TOUGHER on Netanyahu.

    Seriously Tex you need to look at more than just pro-Israel propaganda.

    P.S. FWIW Chris Wallace and David Gregory are Jews. So you can hardly say Bibi is being questioned by Jew haters.

  191. A recent Brookings report found that of the regions with the greatest income disparity only one, Atlanta, is located in a red-leaning state. These include San Francisco, Miami, Boston, Washington, D.C., New York, Oakland, Chicago and Los Angeles. The lowest degree of inequality was found generally historically more conservative cities like Ft. Worth, Texas; Oklahoma City; Raleigh, N.C.; and Mesa, Ariz.

    What’s the racial make up of FT Worth, OK City, Raleigh and Mesa? If you can show me that blacks and Hispanics prosper in these conservative strongholds I’ll be impressed.

  192. Yeah. We all know that conservative strongholds oppress minorities whereas democrats elevate them. Why look at. . .????? 🙄

  193. That is just about the most unpointed thing I’ve read here in hours.

    Unpointed? Do you deny the existence of moral ambiguity or is everything black and white with you?

  194. Oh my gosh. FOX and CNN questioned Israel!

    It’s called Journalism, Rutherford.

    I know a leader opening up himself for tough questions is very foreign to you, but that’s how it is supposed to work.

    I’m cool with Israel explaining itself. As I am the media questioning the offensive.

    Damn…you are so used to MSNBC you can’t put a give and take into any kind of frame of reference.

    Hey Israel, why are so many Palestinians dead.

    Israel explains why…Rutherford presses mute because he doesn’t like his feelings feeling feely. Comes on his blog and says I told you Israel was out of bounds.

  195. The leader of the free world now sits in Jerusalem;

    Please don’t tell me Bibi is the leader of the free world. At least lets hope not.

    I’d argue Angela Merkel has more clout.

  196. 29.3% Black or African American
    4.3% Asian American (1.2% Indian, 0.8% Chinese, 0.7% Vietnamese, 0.5% Korean, 0.4% Filipino, 0.1% Pakistani, 0.1% Japanese)

    2.6% two or more races
    1.4% some other race
    0.5% Native American
    <0.1% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander

    In addition, 11.3% of city residents were Hispanic or Latino Americans, of any race (5.9% Mexican, 1.1% Puerto Rican).

    Raleigh, NC.

    About half the city is minority.

  197. Yeah. We all know that conservative strongholds oppress minorities whereas democrats elevate them. Why look at. . .????? 🙄

    If that was your attempt to answer for Tex, it was damn poor. Let him fight his own battles in the future.

    But since you’ve got the big mouth, answer the question. Do blacks and Hispanics do better in these conservative enclaves or do they simply not live there?

    Let’s see some numbers.

  198. P.S. FWIW Chris Wallace and David Gregory are Jews. So you can hardly say Bibi is being questioned by Jew haters.

    This is why I think you are so shallow in your thinking. I know you don’t understand the history. I know you don’t understand the enemy. You’re pure politic.

    Chris Wallace and David Gregory Jews? So what? So is the ACLU and the Fed. And I think they’re corrupt too. Chris Wallace is still his father’s son, David Gregory a well documented, self-absorbed Leftist.

    None of that changes a thing about the way I view Israel.

    See Rutherford, I could be a raving howler to Gaia or an atheist like Doc Parker and still come to the same conclusions I come to now about the conflicts that are occurring. While you turn the blind eye to persecution that is ongoing, I choose not to. And sooner or later, that will arrive at your doorstep – if not yours, your daughter’s.

    Even Pat Buchanan, a well known anti-Semite in his own right, is still a smart man. I believe Buchanan was correct in his judgment that America won’t be overthrown. By common will, America will become Balkanized, much like Yugoslavia. Just a matter of time before the internal war of words moves to something a little more decisive. Been telling you that was coming since I knew you, and you’ve always poo pooed it off as scare mongering.

    And I’ll go even farther and tell you that I believe our own government knows that. They’ve made substantial investments in small arms ammunition the last several years. You don’t do that unless you’re concerned about the chance of civil unrest.

    For your own sake, I hope you’ve got something more substantial to fall back on that your own know how and the TV commentary.

  199. Rabbit if you’re gonna comment then either follow the thread or STFU. Tex suggested only Jew hating liberal media are questioning the Israeli offensive and I was pointing out that non-liberal Fox was doing it also.

    Tex isn’t interested in journalism. He’s interested in Israel cheerleaders.

  200. Please don’t tell me Bibi is the leader of the free world. At least lets hope not.

    I am telling you that. Did you not just announce yesterday you find European policy sick? An opinion I share. Europe is feckless and weak, Rutherford.

    Some days shortly after 9/11, it was well documented Palestinians were celebrating in the streets and caught on camera handing out sweets to their children while Yasser Arafat tried desperately himself to pull these people into buildings and out of camera range. The celebration? Almost 3,000 American lay dead on their own soil at the hands of radical Islam.

    And I remember one Benjamin Netanyahu making a statement very similar to this…

    “America and her ally Israel have the power within our reach to end this. We have the might. The question remains, do we have the will?”

    Rather prescient, I would say. We’re along ways down the pike of proving we never had the will, for we had become an amoral nation of the inane. They greatest military machine the world has ever known, reduced to nation builders and peace keepers by inept politicians and millions of woefully confused cowards, most but not all Democrats.

    It will be a decision each of us will come to regret.

  201. Tigre and Rabbit, thanks for the stats. I’d still like to see black per capita income. I’m pretty sure Atlanta is known for its affluent blacks. I’ll do some Googling later and see if I can find any pattern of black affluence and government party.

  202. “Do blacks and Hispanics do better in these conservative enclaves or do they simply not live there?”

    Its a good complex question with another feature which should be answered. If it is true, why don’t they live in conservative enclaves? Were the liberal areas liberal in part because Hispanics and Blacks voted for liberals and helped make their cities liberal? Are the liberal enclaves a partial creation of minorities who would do the same to conservative places if they moved there?

  203. James you’re right. And let’s not forget local politics. Georgia may be conservative. But you should see what our Atlanta City council looks like. The quintessential politics of race. If you watch C-Span, you will honestly hear the word “whitey” used.

  204. Tex you can lay nation building squarely at the feet of George W Bush. GOP’ers never saw an intervention they didn’t like. Why do you think Rand Paul is considered fringe?

    But you and I agree there is a line across which no civilized society should go and when that line is crossed restitution must be paid.

    We and Europe are Putin’s bitch and it disgusts me. And I’ll tell you this, if I honestly felt deep in my heart that the average Palestinian was no better than Al Qaeda, I’d say flatten all of Gaza. I’m not there yet.

  205. R, to clear something up since you previously claimed (based on the image painted by some reality show you watch), Atlanta leads the nation in numbers of African American millionaires; at the same time, it leads the nation in the percentage of its children in poverty. The Black Mecca is no panacea and it depends on what areas of town you live. I recall your image of black Atlanta being really strange — but I must say, I don’t think you know what urban black communities are like in anywhere.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=NZSE0jbhzGwC&pg=PA151&dq=maynard+jackson+%22black+mecca%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Q33yTom7J7PC0AGj2MirAg&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=maynard%20jackson%20%22black%20mecca%22&f=false

  206. I would recommend that anyone with time to spare go over to billmoyers.com and watch his interview with Arthur Brown, Pres of the American Enterprise Institute and a proponent of compassionate conservatism. The conversation reminded me of my discussion with Tigre except Brown is far less obnoxious. 🙂

    My only gripe. The only solution Brown could come up with was the earned income tax credit. He had no other ideas besides getting gov out of the free market.

  207. Well Tigre that’s valuable info. Yes I did get my first impression of Atlanta from the Bravo series but then heard independently that Atlanta was home to the buppies.

    An interesting question is do Atlanta’s rich blacks turn a blind eye to the poor?

  208. What is “nation building” and how is it different under Bush from others president involved in foreign military invasion (e.g. Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon in Vietnam etc.).? Serious question. What are Bush’s sins, R?

  209. “An interesting question is do Atlanta’s rich blacks turn a blind eye to the poor?”

    In what respect?

  210. I’m not aware of our Presidents trying to establish democracies in the Koreas or the Vietnams (north and south). They were trying to stop the SPREAD of communism.

    Iraq was a case of deposing the leader and making sure our man was in charge. Karzai in Afghanistan was our guy too.

    Obama used a different and equally inept approach of aiding the downfall of two relatively good leaders (Egypt and Libya) and allowing the vacuum to be filled by chaos.

    We should have left Hussein alone and we should have carpet bombed Afghanistan. Seeing as most of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, we should have looked at Saudi financing of terror which I believe goes on to this day. Of course we are the Saudi’s bitch too.

  211. Regarding Atlanta, in the spirit of racial self sufficiency, one would hope powerful wealthy blacks would invest in poor neighborhoods — prodding businesses, gentrification, etc. Does that happen?

  212. R, I can’t say one way or the other. Frankly, I find black entrepreneurs are no different than anyone else, with the exception of black business leaders having a tendency to look for their human (and other) resources from the black community. But those don’t come from the “poor” black community, just the “black community.

    I think the charitable/philanthropic stuff is ethno-centric. Do wealthy blacks want to live in the hood? No. I think to an even lesser degree than the hipster whites that lead the gentrification pushes in poorer black neighborhoods.

  213. Regarding Nation Building, I think most political scientists consider South Vietnam a classic case of nation building. Hell, Carter was very critical of the policy of nation building advanced in South Vietnam. Perhaps you’re not familiar with the history.

  214. Tex you can lay nation building squarely at the feet of George W Bush.

    In retrospect, the Iraqi War was a mistake. The Malaki government is equally as corrupted as Saddam and equally as cannibalistic. These Muslims could no more hold a democratic government together than a pack of hyenas.

    You say I never admit I’m wrong, there you go.

    Now why don’t you admit Barack Obama has been an abject failure at strengthening the nation and the world like he promised? The failure is all around you.

    However, not a one of you Leftist critics have ever answered my question. Saddam Hussein had continually thumbed his nose at 16 U.N. resolutions for 11 years. If we aren’t going to enforce the rules, then you Leftists leave America only two alternatives. No mercy or we become a real paper tiger. Is that the kind of country you want, “R” governing you? Either decimate nations Old Testament style, or isolate ourselves and roll over when attacked?

    I don’t lay at the feet the idea of nation building regarding GW Bush, as that’s been going on at least since WWI. But I do agree that the way the Iraqi War facilitated into nation building was ignorant (and costly in both blood and treasure) We should have deposed of Saddam, blew the shit out of his palaces and command centers, killed his accomplices, and left a smoldering hole with a clear message we won’t tolerate anymore of this shit. We got the power. Use it.

    Iran takes Iraq? Big deal – let them kill each other while we beg the secular and the Christians to move West – finance it, if need be. If Iran can’t control the animals, they’re next on the list. You want those mad Mullahs with fissile material in their hands to sell to the highest bidder to kill millions of us? What the fuck is feckless Obama doing about that? Picking his ass and playing golf. Do you have any idea how dangerous this man’s apathy and ignorance?

    You go to war, you go to win. It’s the nature of the beast. That’s why sooner or later, the West is going to have to obliterate real Islam – real Islam is Sharia Law. These two civilizations are incompatible. The West vs. the East. Everyone of those supposed nations of civilized moderate Muslims is evil. Saudi, Turkey, Qatar, United Arab Emigrants…bad eggs. And why we allow them to continue to play this game, it beats me.

    But Israel is not. You ought to know that. Israel is Europe. Israel is us.

  215. “The conversation reminded me of my discussion with Tigre except Brown is far less obnoxious. 🙂 ”

    Of course. He hasn’t had to deal with you.

  216. Saddam Hussein had continually thumbed his nose at 16 U.N. resolutions for 11 years. If we aren’t going to enforce the rules, then you Leftists leave America only two alternatives. No mercy or we become a real paper tiger.

    I would submit we have it both ways. We are no longer merciful as a nation with our drone strike foreign policy, indefinite detention, and suspension of habeas corpus. As to the paper tiger analogy, ask putin. But again, your version of history doesn’t jive with reality and remember, we did NOT have UN approval to invade Iraq. Saddam was IN THE PROCESS of working through the resolutions with the UN. But let’s for a moment look and see who is actually thumbing their nose at UN resolutions. Want to wager a guess?

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/view-all/

    Israel is us.

    Thank God it isn’t ALL of us. Let’s compare with
    Thinking we are better than the rest of creation, ie: exceptionalism, yes.
    In the way rules are ignored and holding high the double standard, yes.
    Makers, enforcers, and yet breakers of rules, yes.
    Hypocritical, yes, yes, YES! At that we excel.

  217. Rutherford I know this doesn’t actually answer your question but it is sort of relative and pretty damn interesting.
    I kind of dig Urbanism and as such have read a couple of things that look long and hard on metro’s. There is a mega metro growing down south and although it will never be a political state unto itself it is pretty fascinating the politics it does cut across and the socio-economics of it are. Its deemed “Charlanta”.
    If trends continue it is feasible that mega-regions will actually matter a great deal and this one is one big mutha with great potential.

  218. The US News and World Report predicted such an urban development back around 1957. I believe there was a version of “Charlanta” but the the most interesting to me was the urban corridor predicted to reach from Lincoln, Nebraska to Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

  219. Even if Poolman is right, Israel, basically shares our western social and economic values. They don’t hide behind women and children or kill Christians and Jews as the jihadists do.

    Therefor, I am one hyprocrite who hopes Israel can utterly destroy Hamas.

  220. the 2014 National Urban League’s State of Black America report on income inequality between blacks and whites. Among the places where black-white income is less skewed are Phoenix, Arizona, Nashville, Tennessee and Columbia, South Carolina.

    Here’s a starting point. The studies you’ll need to find on your own:

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-09/why-are-liberal-cities-bad-for-blacks

    My suspicion is that R’s belief about the relationship between political make up and racial income inequality is the opposite of what he thinks.

    But I’m just a big mouth. I still can’t think of any examples of the grand liberal urban experiments succeeding of the type Rutherford refers. I’ll wait for his try at the Google.

  221. James, you should research how Israel was first formed and study the biographies of its founders. They were radical extremists and just as brutal as any radical jihadist – and they were proud of that.

    If Israel didn’t need Hamas, they would have already destroyed Hamas. Like the muslim brotherhood, Hamas is a construct of tptb. Its the same with al qaeda and isis. Did you know there are some 600 millionaires in Gaza? I bet their houses don’t get bombed.

  222. Poolman, clearly you’re with the Gazis and the Nazis. We get it. The only good Jew is a dead Jew.

    But again, your version of history doesn’t jive with reality and remember, we did NOT have UN approval to invade Iraq.

    Hey dumbshit. We don’t need UN authority to attack anybody. Last I looked, we were a sovereign country – unfortunately, that means we can’t disavow you as citizen. You damn sure are a liability that needs to be removed from the system. The Founders would have hanged you. Of that, I’m sure.

    Only a complete and utter moron, you qualify, would think we needed a UN resolution to declare war. As to the UN resolutions, how do you think we even had UN resolutions if the UN didn’t act as broker, dumbshit? You’re so stupid, I can’t believe I waste time with you.

    Saddam was IN THE PROCESS of working through the resolutions with the UN.

    What kind a craven mind dreams this shit up but an irrational Jew hater of the belief every is as stupid as he is? Have we forget they worked the resolutions so well with the oil for food, the UN was grafting money from the mouths of Iraqi babes, and splitting the proceeds with Saddam? Billions of dollars went unaccounted for.

    Tell me you just pull my chain when you post such nonsense? Nobody, not even Fat Granny imbecile, could possibly be this certifiably harebrained.

  223. Tex you DID miss a logical leap that Pools tried to reconcile. You mention Iraq violating UN resolutions but then you want to ignore that UN didn’t want Iraq invaded. I don’t get your logic.

  224. It’s like this, Rutherford. He’s for them when they support his view and they’re worthless imbeciles when they oppose his view. It’s the same with Jews. If they are zionists and support the Jewish state, he’s for them. If they are critical of Israel or their policies, he throws them under the bus. How does he reconcile George Soros a zionist? Me thinks there’s a schizophrenic residing under that ten gallon hat.

  225. Poolman, I know some of Israel’s history. Some of their noted founders were terrorists and murderers as you wrote. Check rayoflightcanada’s video Dandy Warhol’s Sleep 2000. .

    Some of our leaders were murderers and terrorists too,. World opinion and its allies have constrained Israel from finishing Hamas. Israel has even made concessions to the organization in the past. You will note that Hamas, not Israel broke the latest cease fire agreements

    Hamas’ leaders and others have told us they want to destroy the nation of Israel and that they are anti-semitic. Such people are using average residents as fodder to enrich themselves and to kill Jews. I didn’t know the area had so many millionaires, but I knew some Hamas leaders safely live in countries such as Quatar.

    I agree, Israel has bloody hands as do we. But Israel shared more of our values than the likes of Hamas. Therefore, I think Israel needs to destroy Hamas as a political force before we can hope for peace in that region. Even then, it will only be a hope, because “soon there’ll be another.”

  226. Eliana Johnson read a secret strategy memo for Michelle Nunn the Democratic candidate for Senate in Georgia. They assume 30% or fewer whites will vote for her. They think they have the blacks and Hispanics but the Jews are still in play.

    She must say something which entices Jews. Unfortunately, she has been one of the leaders of the Points of Light Foundation which has given money to an organization with links to Hamas.

    James Watt was fired by the Reagan administration after he said they had a balanced commission after hiring a black, a Jew, and a cripple. Progressives are as racist and bigoted, but no body cares now because they are not Republicans and their racism is normalized now.

    LIke Hamas and its bretheran, Progressives must be destroyed as a political force.

  227. You mention Iraq violating UN resolutions but then you want to ignore that UN didn’t want Iraq invaded. I don’t get your logic.

    Of course not. In many ways, you’re as naive as the digger. Just better written and not as conspiratorial. 😈

    Rutherford, we don’t manage our country with the UN’s blessing. And anybody that thinks we should, should be shot on sight for aiding and abetting the enemy, or maybe just the for abject stupidity.

    Anybody that thinks the UN is somehow virtuous, is a moron. It’s one of the most corrupt, feckless organizations on earth and we finance about a 1/4 of it. Time and again, they’ve demonstrated how corrupt they are, from raping women in Africa to accepting graft while stealing from children. Quaddafi, the Ayatollah and Castro have been part of their human right’s council. Speaks volumes, hey?

    None of you Leftists and/or anti-American/Jew hatin’ types has yet answered my question. If there were 16 U.N. resolutions that Saddam agreed to that saved his skin, and then within a year’s time, he started ignoring all of them, what do you suggest our course of action and why would the UN ignore what they brokered?

    Pretend it didn’t happen? I don’t care what Poolman thinks, Rutherford. He’s irrelevant. I want to know what you think.

    P.S. Soros is a Zionist? News to me. 70 years ago Soros was a Judenrat. Maybe time has softened him up. No matter. That doesn’t change a thing and some issues make for strange bedfellows. Israel has every right to defend herself. No other country on earth would be expected to tolerate what she has tolerated. The hatred is completely irrational, the demands are party to evil.

    P.S.S. Don’t be fooled by Poolman, Rutherford. There are many who want to call themselves Christian like Obama and Poolman that are obvious frauds, invariably coming down every time on the wrong side, too many times accompanied by pillow talk of love and peace.

    Right now, there are Christians all over this globe being slaughtered by the very religion Poolman defends time and again. Do you hear any concern from Poolman about that fact? Jews aren’t killing Christians; Muslims are.

  228. I hold peeps to the standards that their norms create. That said pools latest hits are chock full of nuts in the literal sense.
    Rutherford I’m on the phone so I can’t get in2 the UN bit but the plot presented here is incorrect

  229. Obviously, the MANY times I have pointed out Christians being persecuted and slaughtered hasn’t registered with Talmud Tex. But I’m not really surprised, given his selective memory.

    I won’t continue to argue the justification of the Iraq war, since we’ve been all over that subject and apparently facts make no inroads regarding opinion. I even proved Bush senior provoked the Iraqis to invade Kuwait, only to beat them down with shock and awe diplomacy.

    On the subject of faith, I feel confident the things I have posted need no defense. If one examines the teachings of Christ and compares them to His church, it’s easy to see the tares among the wheat. I have no regrets. Thankfully, His mercies are new EVERY morning!

  230. Tex conceded that “In retrospect, the Iraqi War was a mistake.” Nevertheless his salient question remains unanswered as has the bigger picture video @ #96 entirely. Instead we got whatever the hell you call what pools has been chucking for days and from Rutherford – see! see! the teevee is pressing BiBi about overreach! – with long breaks in between while R waits to hear back from his foreign policy expert.

    Iraq will hardly be the only or the last or the biggest mistake we’ve made here there or anywhere, past present or future. Dems have already shattered the “we can do better” promise in a million pieces. The fuck you can.

  231. A reminder please if wrong but of the big three only one religion is openly persecuting people of other religions. Only one religion is mollified and protected from even verbal assault and when someone strikes back in retaliation it opens a flood of handwringing about overreach and historical misdeeds. Only one religion is immune to re-prosecution of those old misdeeds because of some perceived reset that disturbed the possession of ALL the land in the region.

    Come to think of it only one religion – a different one this time – has no homeland whatsoever to fight over.

  232. I read that the older Bush administration gave a misleading message to Hussein which led him to believe we would not oppose his invading Kuwait. After the Gulf War, the same administration hinted that Husein’s people should revolt. They did and were gassed.

    I don’t understand what that has to do with our current war.

    It does teach us that in matters ranging from new technology to war, it is best not to be the first to step forward.

  233. I was really more than willing to let pools latest go ignored but then I got a free window of time and a desktop so I just have to let it rip.

    I won’t continue to argue the justification of the Iraq war, since we’ve been all over that subject and apparently facts make no inroads regarding opinion.
    Actually you’ve yet to really even bring up the actual points of justification for either excursion into the theater. As for the actual invasion of Iraq your position and comments on the UN specifically fail on a number of levels not the least is you’re being as guilty of claims you charge Tex with. Tex is 100% correct that our FP is not dictated by the UN and for good reason.
    An expansion of that reality would be to assert the truth that the UN has never fulfilled its obligations or shown a willingness to do so when the state parties involved are above pygmy grade.Ergo one of the surest arrows in your quiver is true enough ala Israel. As a matter of nitpicking all UN resolutions except when specifically nullified by successor resolutions stay in effect.Ergo although the UN didn’t want to accept 1441 as an authorization for combat action, resolutions dating back to the 1990’s arguably did apply. With that said though it is to be noted that the “Coalition of the Willing” was in fact a non UN action and in fact a big and tasty middle finger to the UN who even in cases of pygmy state affairs tend to sit and watch instead of act and when they do act their history is one of failure,rape and assorted mayhem.
    I even proved Bush senior provoked the Iraqis to invade Kuwait, only to beat them down with shock and awe diplomacy.
    I remember this ditty a lot differently and given none other than Wiki Leaks ironically proving it false. Neither Kirkpatrick (who you previously asserted) or Glaspie the real agent behind the words conspiracy humps hang their hats on are guilty of leading Hussein into believing he was green lighted.
    Pools false history being throughly discounted,debunked and dumpstered does not alter true history that there is a lot foul in M.E and USA FP in general.

  234. Some gravatars make you go hmmmm and pools your latest was nagging me. I’ve figured it out and find it ironic symbolism on your part.

  235. If there were 16 U.N. resolutions that Saddam agreed to that saved his skin, and then within a year’s time, he started ignoring all of them, what do you suggest our course of action and why would the UN ignore what they brokered?

    Tex your basic premise is that UN is a joke. So why would you expect Hussein to respect them? Further if the UN is a joke why should we spill one drop of our blood on their behalf?

  236. with long breaks in between while R waits to hear back from his foreign policy expert.

    Funny coming from someone with “long gaps” herself. Muffy what frequency of my presence here would please you?

    Sidebar: in the film Let it Be, George Harrison asks McCartney “what exactly can I do to please you?” It’s a very disarming rhetorical technique.

  237. Brilliant. Islamic, savage stink beard inhumane fucks have found the key to liberals’ hearts. Antagonize until an offensive is necessary and then use terror against your own people so that they become casualties. The liberal dumb fucks tune in to their idiotic cartoon news and back savage stink beards who only happen to be the biggest threat to every single thing said liberal dumb fucks hold dear.

    Liberalism is a mold that Islamic evil fascists suck up with a straw as an energy drink.

    This world is so fucked.

  238. The liberal dumb fucks tune in to their idiotic cartoon news and back savage stink beards …

    If only it were that simple. To say you feel bad about 1000 dead Palestinians is not the same as saying you back Hamas.

    Why they “elected” Hamas I don’t know. A bunch of antisemites? Is it that simple? Or did Hamas promise to help the PA improve their standard of living?

    Like I told Tex, if I believed the average Palestinian, man woman and child was a Jew hating Al Qaeda wannabe, I’d have zero sympathy. Tell me why I should believe that, Rabbit.

    Convince me Rabbit and then I’ll cheer on 1 third of those killed on 9/11 already dead in Gaza.

  239. Tex your basic premise is that UN is a joke. So why would you expect Hussein to respect them? Further if the UN is a joke why should we spill one drop of our blood on their behalf?

    I swear I cannot believe I am having to answer this. LOL

    Rutherford, the UN is a joke. I’m sure Saddam didn’t just think them the joke, he considered them a trading partner and he stole billions of dollars with the UN.

    Having said that, that is not the point. The point is America allowed the UN to broker the terms of surrender in a war where within three days, the US could have destroyed all of Iraq had it so chosen.

    This isn’t about the U.N.. It’s about the U.S. Saddam agreed to terms with the U.S. to save his own skin by surrendering. While the resolutions may have been constructed with the U.N.’s coordination, the terms were defined by the U.S..

    My question was, forget who brokers the deal – When an enemy is defeated and agrees to terms of surrender, then for years ignores the law and breaks the rules, should the U.S. simply ignore this after defeating them?

  240. I opposed the invasion of Iraq until it started because relatives were there, and we were loyal to them.

    Husein’s military was shooting at our planes over the no fly zone from time to time.That could be used as an excuse to invade. Another rational besides UN resolutions was the possible break up of Iraq after Saddam died or was ousted. Weapons of mass destruction could fall into the hands of terrorists.

  241. Rutherford feeling bad about dead people and $2 will get you a cup of coffee,what’s the point of feeling? That’s a serious question btw.
    I ask because I see in you the disconnect too many that venture into this topic suffer from.

  242. I really have to say 305 is blowing me away I can’t get it out of my head. Rutherford offer up some type of expansion I’m begging you.

  243. Rutherford the USA has a pretty clear record on NOT spilling blood or money for the UN. We do however have an equally clear record on saddling the pygmies with duties they have neither the ability or desire to conduct and we have pawned them a number of times under the illusion they are something special.

  244. Yes…the average Palestinian is antisemetic. Or…since they are semetic themselves …..they hate fucking Jews. All of them do. The average Palestinian absolutely hates Jews. I grew up with Palestinians. I’ve never met one person who doesn’t despise Jews. I’m talking Holocaust jokes. Non stop conspiracies. Classic antisemetic rants. Non stop.

    No…the average Palestinian does not back Al Queda.

  245. Alfie, I have no love or respect for the UN. The concept may be noble but it fails in the real world, I think you agree. It’s another tool of the powerful against the weak. The only reason I brought it up was because it was being used as barometer.

    We used the UN to achieve our end goal in Iraq. Severe sanctions were imposed on Iraq after beating them down with shock and awe. The people of Iraq suffered plenty through it. We even did occasional bombing runs. Food was rationed and many children died as a result. The whole society basically eroded under sanctions. Before we attacked, the UN had resumed inspections and Saddam was anxious to comply, probably fearing a pending invasion knowing what warmongers we had in office. Regime change in Iraq was on the agenda for more than a decade. Saddam had outlived his usefulness and wasn’t playing by our rules.

  246. I really need to proofread my own posts. It’s awful anymore.

    Pool, the Pharisee Fool & Tool, you can’t mask the bigotry, try as you might. This is not a debate of religion. It’s a debate of irrational hatred and who is right, and who is wrong.

    Nobody here believes your preachy parable crap anymore than they believe your conspiracies…

  247. Why do I have this really bad feeling Rutherford is holed up typing his next blog on comparisons of the middle east and planet of the apes.

  248. That is wonderful, Raji. I already check on the Daily Telegraph for news, but I will let them watch the Palins. Maybe they can become the Kardasians. Sarah Palin is a red neck hustler with more native intelligence than most of us. She is laughing all the way to the bank. I like her, but I wouldn’t vote for her.

  249. I concede can’t see your point, Tex Tefillin.

    I googled the copy in the breitbart article, since the link in it didn’t go to a source. So, in looking for the source of the copy on google, always shows time and how it was antisemitic disseminated.

    About 51,400 results (0.75 seconds)

  250. Thanks, Alfie. From that source it seems to tell a different story. I added the emphasis. And since this is a REGULAR inspection, who would stash plant them there? Cui bono?

    In a related development, UNRWA said that a cache of rockets was found today at one of its schools in central Gaza. The discovery came during a regular UNRWA inspection of the school, which was closed for the summer and not being used as a shelter. All the relevant parties have been notified.

    “We condemn the group or groups who endangered civilians by placing these munitions in our school,” said UNRWA spokesperson Chris Gunness. “This is yet another flagrant violation of the neutrality of our premises. We call on all the warring parties to respect the inviolability of UN property.”

  251. Why do I have this really bad feeling Rutherford is holed up typing his next blog on comparisons of the middle east and planet of the apes.

    LOLOLOLOLOL

    The thought crossed my mind while watching the flick (which was pretty good but not the best of the genre). But I thought I needed to maintain a small iota of intellectual integrity.

  252. Raji, Sarah was, is, and always will be about the Benjamin’s. Once McCain taught her that she could make millions being the obnoxious neighborhood gossip, there has been no turning back. She didn’t leave the Governors office over legal harassment. She left to make money. This is why she will NEVER run for POTUS — it will cut into her profits.

    God Bless America!

  253. From that source it seems to tell a different story

    Consummate dumbshit and liar…Zyklon B, the digger. Now they’re planting stuff in Palestinian neighborhoods surrounded by Hamas. LOL

    Those damn Jews have upstaged the Jooo hating ditch digger one more time!!!!

    Amazing! More foodstamps for Zkylon B…

  254. Well don’t thank me too much Poolman as I presented the link solely to show that beyond Breitbert.FrontPageMag or others there was indeed an undeniable source.
    I don’t like the UN but I do find they are very much like the Nazis were,impeccable record keepers. It can be hard to find and they have indeed shifted info to meet their needs but it is out there.
    So not for nothing the count is something like this: Three UN locations have been found to be holding rockets. Six locations have been assaulted by IDF.
    I don’t for a minute believe the Israelis or the UN placed the rockets on the premises. I find it highly credible that the “gophers” of Hamas found it convenient and beneficial to place them there.
    I would also say that the releases in their entirety from Chris Gussen [sp?] show a slant against the Israelis but also a definite general indignation towards anything against the UN.

  255. Three UN locations have been found to be holding rockets.

    Were the other two locations also subject to regular inspections? The reason I ask is that it doesn’t seem feasible for anyone hiding anything to consider putting them where they would knowingly be discovered, unless that was the point. Not only would they need to secretly break in to stash them, they would also need to access them from time to time. Gaza is too densely populated for stuff like that to go unnoticed.

    No doubt there is corruption in Gaza and plenty of Arabs have sold out to it. I don’t think the UN is above scrutiny either, given the record of known crimes. Like any other enforcement agency, they have been infiltrated with rogue operatives. But Gaza is under constant surveillance by Israel. I can’t see how the IDF would not know where stashes were. You state they already assaulted six locations. Have they traced these rockets to a source, or is this supposed to justify bombing homes?

  256. Rutherford you choose the weirdest comments to follow up on.

    Sometimes my medium influences which comments I answer. For example you were gobsmacked by a comment by me but you only referenced the number. So until I get back to the PC, the comment number is meaningless to me as the WP iPhone app doesn’t reference comment numbers.

  257. 326 No, Rutherford, weapons of mass destruction didn’t fall into the hands of terrorists as far as we know. Some could have been sent to Syria.

    However, we can’t time travel We have to cope with what we know. At the time most intelligence agencies and national leaders, including Democrats and Republicans believed WMD existed in Iraq. Other leaders feared they would be dispersed to terrorists in the event of a governmental collapse.

    I read an Anchorage news paper, I think that reported Palin was surrounded with so many charges and law suits she was going to have to spend most of her money and time fighting them. The state would spend two million dollars, and the Palins would spend a half million dollars. At that time, the Palins were not as wealthy as they are now. The actual direct cost to Alaska was much less, but I don;t know if her resignation lowered the cost or by how much.

    I have just shown that neither of these comments, Rutherford wrote made much sense They were a waste of time.

  258. Rutherford,did you see the link to the Russian flash mob I posted. You asked if Republicans could produce a good campaign song. Why not a flash mob? Eurovision staged a continent-wide flash mob a couple of years ago The fad has run its course, but still….After all, we are playing lets pretend,

  259. I have just shown that neither of these comments, Rutherford wrote made much sense They were a waste of time.

    No James you’ve done nothing of the sort.

    Are the weapons currently being used in Iraq better in the hands of Hussein or ISIS? I’d vote for Hussein any day.

    Sarah Palin was not the first Governor to face investigations nor will she be the last. Before McCain, Sarah had reached her highest potential and she would have completed her term. McCain opened a lucrative door for her.

    She quit the job for the money. Very simple.

    Think about this James, if she’s really dedicated to connecting to the people, why is her web channel subscription only?

  260. @ Pool to the level you may care re the UN. It’s my understanding that the facilities were closed so I think the “inspections” were more related to the conflict in the immediate area and the potential that the facilities would need to be used for displaced persons much like the facility that was struck.
    The “community” is totally in the know up to and including Hamas folks knowing how,when and where they can safely move things. The variable of course being that IDF actions disrupt the best laid plans of the undoubtable chess game that supplies of all type must experience in the Strip.
    As for Israeli strikes. I think the math speaks volumes as to some degree of intent on behalf the IDF and I mean that in the way that the IDF is actually trying to minimize non-combatant death.
    Keep in mind the IDF is not using precision weaponry they are essentially triangulating source locations and using air to ground rockets & bombs from planes and artillery/tank fire.

  261. Speaking of weapons in Iraq the USA and Russia are in a mini-arms race trying to prop up Baghdad.
    The Russians have recently sent their lesser version of the US A-10 ground support airplane the Su 25.It should prove helpful but for one part. The first couple more likely came from Tehran and I’d put money on Iranian pilots will fly some of the sorties.
    We’ve just inked a deal on 700 million dollars worth of Hellfire rockets. These are able to be placed on the Apache helicopters we left as well as the Cessna’s (no kidding they’re militarized) we’ve sold them. I don’t know if a Su 25 can arm with them.

  262. A. If only it were that simple. To say you feel bad about 1000 dead Palestinians is not the same as saying you back Hamas.
    Why they “elected” Hamas I don’t know. A bunch of antisemites? Is it that simple? Or did Hamas promise to help the PA improve their standard of living?
    Like I told Tex, if I believed the average Palestinian, man woman and child was a Jew hating Al Qaeda wannabe, I’d have zero sympathy. Tell me why I should believe that, Rabbit.
    Convince me Rabbit and then I’ll cheer on 1 third of those killed on 9/11 already dead in Gaza.

    That’s you @ #305 ,don’t know about being gobsmacked though,sounds dirty so cut that out.

    B. Is Israel a sovereign state and what should dictate its borders?
    That’s a question I asked at #322 I thought it would be very interesting to see the answer.

    C. Stop the Palin stuff,please please please please please please please

  263. An op-ed piece by a self proclaimed Zionist. I’m not the only one squeamish about the current offensive.

    A New York Times Leftist. Yawn…

    You two can be real brave sleeping under the banner of knowing you have nothing to fear. Rockets aren’t reigning down in Naperville. Frankly, both of you are cowards with no appreciation of the men that defend you and allow you these liberties.

    While perhaps not aiding and abetting the enemy like some lowlife parasite like Poolman, you nonetheless are both ingrates.

    Because I can assure you if rockets were reigning down in Naperville, or tunnels led to your neighborhood so jihadists could launch an RPG at your hosue, or head loppers kidnapped your daughter, brutally raped her, then slaughtered her, or 2,000 of your fellow neighbors were killed by suicide bombs in pizzerias, on public transportation, and at weddings, you Rutherford would be one of the loudest voices calling for government to not only protect you, but finish the job with lethal force.

    The bottom line is this – somebody that believes in no God said to you very accurately, of which you have no answer.

    Were Hamas and Islam to lay down their weapons, there would be peace. Were Israel to lay down her arms, there would be extermination.

    And you always conveniently ignore that fact.

  264. So Alfie, in alphabetical order:

    A. I think this statement is consistent with everything I’ve said in this thread. The current crisis is full of moral ambiguity. Do these people deserve to die for the folks they elected? Do they, to every man, woman and child, hate Jews? (Rabbit says yes.) What choices does Israel really have for long term protection from Hamas rockets? The answer that Tex and Rabbit gravitate to simply cannot blithely roll off my tongue. I see too many HUMAN BEINGS mourning the loss of family. I see too many orphans. I see too many parents who will never see their child grow to adulthood. These are human factors. To deny this is to make the Palestinians a one dimensional demon.

    B. I almost feel this is above my pay grade without going back and reading more so my opinion is informed. My (mis?)understanding is that Gaza and the West Bank are not part of Israel. Yet Israel builds unwelcome settlements on the West Bank whenever it damn well wants to. So who here is violating border agreements?

    C. Regarding Sarah — Raji started it! 🙂

  265. Were Hamas and Islam to lay down their weapons, there would be peace. Were Israel to lay down her arms, there would be extermination.

    What if Hamas WAS out of the picture? Could peace be made with the Palestinian Authority? You’ve thrown a very specific group (Hamas) in with a huge one (Islam). Egypt is no threat to Israel.

    I saw the leader of Hamas interviewed. He seems like a snake. Hamas is clearly a problem.

  266. One more then I’ll shut up 🙂 What a great comment.

    “The overall effect of the Sarah Palin Channel, though, is like buying a $30 double-CD release from a ‘70s band that gives you one disc of their C-grade greatest hits and a bunch of studio noodling everyone declined to release for the last 40 years for dozens of excellent reasons.” The Guardian

  267. You are wrong Rutherford. Palin quit for legal and financial reasons as I wrote. After she left politics she went for the money. Her past history makes your conclusion illogical. Your description better fits others , such as the Clintons. I don’t think :Palin will leave us until leftists evict her from their minds. Its too much fun to dredge her up for you.

    I love that Bundy flash mob joke. It was funny. The Bundy mob didn’t have a good collection of songs, and their precision dancing was off. They could have copied the close order drill part of the Russian wedding flash mob, “Puttin on the Ritz”.

  268. Our son and grand daughter bonded well. She laughed around him and sought him out. He left for California yesterday evening.Our grand daughter cried as he entered the airport. In a month, she will forget he exists.

  269. 346 I don’t know either, Rutherford. It depends on how Hamas is eliminated and whether Israel helps the region rebuild. Worse organizations may be waiting.

  270. “I see too many parents who will never see their child grow to adulthood” -R

    I hear you.

    What’s suspect is how much Gaza seems to suddenly rile your passions considering the daily slaughter of children else where in the middle east.

    Particularly since this war was started by Hamas and Hamas uses schools to hide weapons.

    I don’t mind pressure put on Israel, although I concede I have no idea the logistics that go into an offensive as tricky as this. Did Israel gave to hit that latest school, the ones with kids in it? I don’t have a clue. Considering you Israel fights….I’m prone to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I’m all ears.

    The a large swath of the left doesn’t put pressure on Israel. They label them the bad guy. And that is insanity considering the history and reality of who is doing what in the middle east.

  271. Egypt is no threat to Israel.

    For a man that appears to have a liking for American History and is a lot better than I am on American Presidential stuff, your world history is awful – and this is recent history.

    Do you remember the Muslim Brotherhood? Do you remember what happened in Egypt last year? Do you know what Hamas is an offshoot of? Do you remember who attacked Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973?

    The only thing I can commend at present for Egypt is they’re tired of having their asses handed to them in a fight. They get kudos for that.

    Rutherford, Israel is surrounded on all sides by people that hate her. Virtually Muslim in the region hates their half-brother. I’ve shown you videos of indoctrination to hate Israel at a young age – that’s beyond reprehensible; it’s sheer evil.

    Israel is a miracle. Not only did they take a desert and turn her into a rose, they provide in large part the medical care in that part of the world. They’re the only democracy in that part of the world. They’re an industrialized power, including some of the best high tech on the planet.

    Unlike you, I don’t condemn Israel for taking apart Hamas. I question why she chose to be so restrained and didn’t do it years ago.

  272. In Vietnam, the Viet Cong sometimes put small babies by the side of the road. Someone stopped to pick up the infant, and BOOM !! An Army man told me a ten year old boy ran toward a barracks. The soldier ordered him to stop, but he ran on., He fired. The boy exploded because of what he carried to kill our soldiers.

    This sort of thing has been happening for a long time.

    Standards have changed. Her enemies condemn Israel for some accidental civilian casualities but over look the Dresden fire bombings and other killers of civilians.

  273. Her enemies condemn Israel for some accidental civilian casualities but over look the Dresden fire bombings and other killers of civilians.

    Well put, James.

  274. “The overall effect of the Sarah Palin Channel, though, is like buying a $30 double-CD …

    LOL Classic. Thanks Raji.

    Even James had to admit she’s a redneck huckster.

  275. Do you know what Hamas is an offshoot of? Do you remember who attacked Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973?

    I know your hatred of Jimmy Carter makes you want to ignore history 1976 going forward but Egypt and Israel have successfully coexisted since Sadat-Begin.

    From the coverage I’m watching, no one, including Egypt likes Hamas. They are not in favor in the region. I’m not saying there’s a Muslim love fest for Israel but they don’t like Hamas either.

    And I never said I side with Hamas against Israel. That’s ridiculous. You fail to acknowledge that Hamas and Palestinians are not one and the same.

  276. Israel is one of the foremost military powers in the world. It is in no danger. This is like a thug pummeling an old lady. It offends our natural sense of justice.

    This resonates. I didn’t read the article so I can’t judge the source but I have said Israel is like a man with a bullet proof vest killing a bunch of unarmed people just to get to the guy with the gun who can’t hurt him anyway.

  277. You fail to acknowledge that Hamas and Palestinians are not one and the same.

    Is the Democratic Party and Americans one and the same? I can’t tell you how stupid and poorly learned I often find you. It’s no wonder you vote for Obama.

  278. From the coverage I’m watching, no one, including Egypt likes Hamas

    Well, except Iran whose Ayatollah announced yesterday that Israel must be destroyed on behalf of “their” Palestinian brothers, and Qatar and Turkey, who provide Hamas with the rockets. But I guess those can’t hurt anybody either. Of course, that conveniently forgets 2,000 Israelis that were killed by Palestinian suicide bombers before building a wall.

    And there’s three dead teenagers if they could tell you themselves would disagree with your claim Hamas can’t kill anybody.

    Rutherford, this issue alone indicates you’re a confused and sick puppy.

    You’re siding with Poolman, a parasitical Jew hater and conspiracy fool, bastard and mooch, the Supreme Leader of Iran, and ISIS.

  279. Is the Democratic Party and Americans one and the same? I can’t tell you how stupid and poorly learned I often find you. It’s no wonder you vote for Obama.

    I think sometimes you get so lost in your own arguments that you don’t see when you’re not making sense.

    You prove my point. NO the Dem Party and Americans are not one and the same. If you went into a mall indiscriminately killing Americans cos you don’t like Democrats we’d question not just your sanity but your intellect.

  280. You proved nothing, besides doubling down on stupid.

    NO the Dem Party and Americans are not one and the same.

    If the Dem Party is not American, what are they? And I suppose Obama is not American either?

    Are you resigned to Obama being a Kenyan then?

  281. Ok we must be having a problem with subsets or Venn diagrams or something.

    Let’s try this:
    All Dems are American.
    Every American is not Dem.

    All Palestinian Hamas supporters are Palestinian.
    Every Palestinian is not a Hamas supporter.

  282. The interview – which you can listen to here – makes many important points. The one I think is most significant for Americans is Mr. Yousef’s explanation that Hamas is not a nationalist political organization. Since the days of the Clinton administration, which means the early years of Hamas, it has been the practice of the United States government to portray Hamas as if, though a terrorist organization, it is just a local group with a local agenda – akin to, say, the IRA

    In point of fact, as Mr. Yousef details and as the Hamas charter corroborates, Hamas is and self-identifies as part of the global Islamic supremacist jihad. Its short-term goal is the destruction of Israel, but its aspirations are not limited to national boundaries drawn by the West – it wants a global caliphate just like its parent organization, the Brotherhood, does; just like its once and future patron, Iran, does; and just like its sometime rival sometime collaborator, al Qaeda, does. ~ Andrew McCarthy

  283. Let’s try this:
    All Dems are American.
    Every American is not Dem.

    All Palestinian Hamas supporters are Palestinian.
    Every Palestinian is not a Hamas supporter.

    Freely elected American majority party 2008/2012 – Democrat
    Freely elected Palestinian (Gaza) majority party Present – Hamas

    Only 1/3 of Germans supported the Nazi Party. We blew the shit out of Berlin and Dresden and didn’t discriminate. The Israelis could level all of Gaza within days and have chosen not to.

    But you continue to think like Poolman, conclude like Poolman, be Poolman. It will serve you well.

  284. Rutherford,

    You do realize that Egypt was in league with Hamas until last summer?

    Remember….Obama lucked out and, despite being caught completely off guard, twice, Egypt decided a military tyranny is better then a stink beard one.

    I will give you this…I’m guessing Hamas is hated by many in Gaza. Too bad the people get manipulated over the “hate the Jew shtick”.

    Arab street is so bigoted, you can play them for fools.

  285. ‘I didn’t admit she was a redneck huckster. I stated a fact we have known a long time. I still like her and her reaction to unfair attacks from the left..Some of my friends are red necks.

    So far, the Ebola outbreak is not Obama’s fault. It is so viiilent that it self limited by wiping out whole villages. This sounds like Stephen King’s The Stand without the Dark Man.

    If Hamas or other jihadists self infected with ebola and sneaked across our border as a illegals or with children, then it would be Obama’s fault.

  286. Tex….that cracked me up.

    I was watching the Tiger’s game today when, out of the blue, Austen Jackson, our center fielder, was yanked right out of the game. Right off the field. Traded. For ace David Price. I couldn’t believe it. He said his good byes to everyone and left.

    He is a classy and talented dude…but he would frustrate the hell out of me. No killer instinct. I’ve been ripping on him for 5 years.

    Instantly…I felt bummed even though we just picked up the most wanted SP on the trading block.

    The whole thing was surreal.

  287. Rutherford I think it safe to say many folks could use a deeper read into the whole thing.
    I think too many people take too drastically partisan stances on an issue which complexity is just incredible.
    There are undeniable truths to the conflict however and even those are used to fuel one sides agenda depending on who is running with them.

  288. Muffy I read the transcript and it really really really left me with the feeling of great despair that so many folks involved in producing such an idiotic production are taken seriously in so many quarters.
    Every single person on that show host,guest everyone is just #$%^&* out of their minds.

  289. I think too many people take too drastically partisan stances on an issue which complexity is just incredible.

    Speaking for myself, Alfie, there’s absolutely no moral ambiguity about the Israel/Hamas conflict at all.

    The premise started May 15, 1948, and has never changed. Only the players. America on the hand, has changed greatly. Lots of irrational Jew haters like Tool™ and Huckhead to contend with – rank propagandists.

  290. on Israel’s Doomed Fate

    IDF’s colossal defeat in Gaza this week leaves Israel and Israelis with just three political and personal options:

    1. Mass expulsion – ethnic cleansing of the entire Palestinian population from territories controlled by Israel. Such action may sound unreasonable or even phantasmic, but it is actually consistent with Zionist ideology and has many supporters within Israel and within the current Israeli cabinet. Moreover, oppression and brutality are embedded within Jewish political culture and even within the culture of the Jewish Left*. Clearly Israel possesses the military capability and fire power to proceed with such a plan for Nakba II.

    2. Exodus – mass emigration of Israelis who, quite reasonably, prefer to run for their lives. This option is obviously embedded within the exilic Jewish culture and completely consistent with Jewish diaspora identity. Emigration is available to most Israelis at the moment. However, it is likely that as violence in the region continues to escalate and Israel finds itself complicit in more and more war crimes and human rights abuse, Israelis may find out that their freedom to travel around the world is gradually restricted.

    3. Buying time –Israel’s favourite option. And certainly Benjamin Netanyahu’s preferred policy.

    While both the 1st and the 2nd options are consistent with Jewish ideology, heritage and culture, it is the 3rd option that has been chosen by Israel’s governments for decades. It entails constant devastation of Gaza by means of medium scale massacres in the hope that Palestinians will eventually surrender and accept the domination of the Jewish State.

    Just a month ago it seemed as if only divine intervention could save the Palestinians. However, as things stand at the moment, even God may find it difficult to rescue his favourite people. Israel has sunk into a fatal political, military and ideological paralysis. The destiny of the Jewish State has been revealed. It has no future in the region.

    The key to understanding of Israel’s paralysis is not complicated. As much as Israelis favour the deployment of their devastating military might and its fire power, Israelis do not like to be caught with blood on their hands. As much as they like to kill, they hate to be the killers. This dilemma has matured into a political, ideological, strategic and spiritual deadlock. It puts the Jewish State into an impossible scenario that makes dwelling on someone’s else land simply unimaginable.

    Noticeably absent among the viable options above is peace. Reconciliation is not a viable concept anymore. The notion of ‘peace’ as we understand it in the west (harmony and reconciliation) does not exists in modern Hebrew. The word ‘shalom’ that is commonly translated as ‘peace” is understood by Israelis as ‘security for the Jews.’ Israel has had plenty of time to reach harmony and reconciliation with the Palestinians. But it didn’t happen and for a reason. Israel is the Jewish State, it is ethno centric to its core, it is blind to the notion of universal rights and totally dismissive of the Palestinians and their rights.

    It may be crucial at this point to add that the final stage of the Jewish State and the genocidal enthusiasm in which it manifests itself, throws a devastating light on Jewish culture and the dangerous aspects that are entangled with Jewish identity politics and Jewish national collectivism.

    * It was Stalin’s ‘willing executioners’ who wiped out millions of Ukrainians in the name of ‘collectivization’ in the 1930s (Holodomor). It was the Yiddish Speaking International Brigade that massacred Catholics and burned their churches in Spain (1936), once again in the name of the ‘revolution.’ It was the Zionist Left which expelled the Palestinians in 1948. Killing en masse in the name of a great ideal, be it Moral interventionism, Gay rights, or even Jewish suffering, is unfortunately, consistent with Jewish political culture and attitude.- Gilad Atzmon

  291. Long after you are dead and gone, the constant wailing and gnashing of teeth ringing in your ears, Israel will remain. Of that, I’m sure, Tool™.

    I had an interesting conversation with some “religious” Jews the other day about you, Poolman – without using you by name, because that would be meaningless.

    And I mentioned you were constantly throwing up Jew Hating screed from Veterans Today. And they told me, paraphrased of course, that they find your ilk no different than the predecessors to Nazi Germany, because that is how it all started.

    I found that interesting. That the real instigators of the Holocaust weren’t the jackboots, or the death camps, or the Hitler youth. It was the cowardly propagandists who eventually were able to entice the mob – and usher Hitler into power. Think about that. You share many traits with Barack Obama, radical Islam, and Joseph Goebbels.

    You think you’re time on earth has been a failure, Tool™? You don’t know what bleak is yet.

  292. Poolman –

    Generally, one can say about an opinion that seems foreign, “Well, to each his own.” Then sometimes one stumbles across an opinion that just seems so completely unreasonable that he is left baffled.

    If there were ever a good-guy/bad-guy scenario, that of Israel and the Arabs seems to me to be one, yet you are so persistent in what seems to be flagrant Jew-hating that one wonders if there is something he has missed.

    How did you arrive at your opinion about the Israelis? I for one would like to hear any reasonable explanation of how you came to believe as you do. Warning: If you start quoting christian scripture, it’s over. I want to hear logic, fact, and reality, not fantasy.

  293. The Obama administration through Hillary caused people to die in Benghazi and in other parts of the Middle East. It through Kerry is blundering again.

    Charles Krauthammer wrote that Israel and our Arab allies are angry with Kerry.He went to Paris and negotiated with Hamas allies Qatar and Turkey to the exclusion of the PA and Egypt. The talks undermined Egypt’s cease fire proposal. Most of the Arabs fear and oppose Hamas,( Iranians are not Arabs) but Kerry called for lifting the blockade to enable Hamas to buy more weapons to kill more Israeli civilians.

    Ragi’s mentioning Sarah Palin and Rutherford’s reaction illustrates on a small scale the willful ignorance and bias operating in our government and press. When Palin spoke at the Republican Convention, a blogger overheard two Democrats say “we have 72 hours to destroy her.” The party and sympathetic press poured resources into searches for incriminating information,.

    They ignored Obama to the point that Tom Brokaw told Charlie Rose “we really don’t know much about Obama, even the books he reads.” They were expressing a natural bias in favor of Obama and his ideology.

    Our government is also expressing a natural bias against Israel with little desire to react to the complexity of the situation, The left does have an element of anti-semeticism which emerges when it seems safe. One example was when singer Katy Perry tweeted that she was praying for Israel.

  294. James –

    Every operative on both sides tries to destroy everybody on the other side.

    The reason Sarah Palin went down was self-immolation, but the extreme right-wingers don’t want to hear that. Just listen to her word salad for three minutes and you are just face-palming, wondering what idiot thought that running her for national office would be a good idea.

    The Right’s refusal to acknowledge their mistake and move on is what keeps the Left poking fun at them about Sarah Palin. It’s the gift that keeps on giving.

  295. Whatever his intent, Kerry legitimized Hamas’s war criminality. Which makes his advocacy of Hamas’s terms not just a strategic blunder — enhancing a U.S.-designated terrorist group just when a wall-to-wall Arab front wants to see it gone — but a moral disgrace.

    This egghead thinks it’s a national disgrace Hanoi Jane Kerry is Secretary of State to begin with. Why not spit in the eye of our military while you offend our allies too, hey President Hussein?

    Is there a worse representative for American interests that could have been chosen than John F’ing Kerry? I guess Snowden, Bergdahl and Chelsey weren’t available.

  296. How did you arrive at your opinion about the Israelis?

    It has morphed over time. 20 years ago, I believed as Tefillin Tex does, that Israel was the chosen people of G-d and this was rightfully their land. That the Palestinians occupying it were evil, in the wrong, and needed to be removed at all cost.

    My country and my church told me Israel was definitely the good guys. They being the underdogs of the free world, finally getting a deserved country to call home. The common narrative is they are this fledgling democracy made of an historically victimized population surrounded by angry, evil peoples wanting to annihilate them, just because of who they are. It makes a neat story, but just doesn’t match reality.

    Over time, I discovered that I was mistaken on many levels with that belief, and I began to seek answers. I find one has to hear out all sides to form any type of accurate opinion. The Zionist’s side is well-represented and gets much publicity, mostly due to their prominent positioning in our society’s institutions.

    To answer your question more specifically, let’s differentiate between Zionists and Israelis. The world has many other people and plenty of Jewish people that are not Zionists and do not support a Jewish state. There’s a large contingent of Orthodox Jews that don’t, many organized as ‘Jews Against Zionism’. Most of the world’s Jews are secular and do not follow the religious practices of Judaism. Many have blended with the various cultures in the lands that they live.

    Many who have come to shape my current understanding are those who are native to Israeli. Here are some of them:

    Miko Peled, Roi’ Tov, Gilad Atzmon, Uri Avnery

  297. “I guess Snowden, Bergdahl and Chelsey weren’t available.” 😆

    Ayers was too busy working one our “domestic foreign policy” too, I guess.

  298. The VT screed is offensive on many levels.
    As for CK’s piece I find it lacks an attention to some very specific truths that makes me say I disagree with it and that which it is meant to stir. I don’t like Kerry but what has happened isn’t anything like that which is being painted.

  299. The VT screed is offensive on many levels.

    The VT The MSNBC FOX CNN NYT WND DRUDGE PJMEDIA BREITBART POLITICO BLAZE TBN PBS WSJ PRESSTV WAPO HUFFPO CBS AJ ABC My ideological opponent’s screed is offensive on many levels. fify

  300. Parker, I almost mentioned Sarah Palin’s help for her attackers, but Obama’s and Biden’s mistakes were as bad. Press accounts of her stupid statements and also some she didn’t make were relentless. Tina Fey was so effective that people actually believed Palin had said she could see Russia from her front porch or whatever it was.

    My point still stands. Palin helped ruin her political chances, but the press and liberals, including some Republicans did the deed. My comparison to that dispute and our views on Israel-Hamas also survives.

    alfie, please tell us why you disagree with the CK column. We might agree with you. As you wrote your comment, unidentified “specific truths” won’t change minds without details.

  301. “alfie, please tell us why you disagree with the CK column. We might agree with you. As you wrote your comment, unidentified “specific truths” won’t change minds without details.”

    Said it before I could. I would like to know your thoughts. I’m still trying to get my head around this situation. And I despise Kerry so I am not coming at it objectively at all.

  302. Nothing demonstrates the gross incompetence of the Barry O administration more than John Fing Kerry being elected to broker peace as Secretary of State. What a farce…a global disgrace.

    Might as well send the Toolman™ – they’re both rabid, Jew hatin’ buffoons, one with a richer wife.

    Another clear indicator of how low political persuasion has sunk in this country. Poolman for Sec. of State!!!

  303. At the center of chaos, the wild-eyed President Obama strikes blindly, oblivious of the consequences, willing to risk a financial debacle or a nuclear war. He enforces sanctions against Iran; imposes sanctions on Russia; sets up missile bases five launch minutes from Moscow; sends killer drones against Pakistan, Yemen and Afghanistan; arms mercenaries in Syria; trains and equips Kurds in Iraq and pays for Israel’s savagery against Gaza.
    […]
    The US President is on the verge of a mental breakdown: He’s a liar of Munchausen proportions with a bad case of political paranoia, war hysteria and megalomania. He’s gone amok, braying, ‘I lead the world: its US leadership or chaos’. Increasingly the world has another message: ‘It’s the US and chaos.’

    Wall Street is abandoning him. The Russians have double-crossed him. The Chinese merchants are now doing business everywhere we used to be and we ought to be. They’re playing with loaded dice. The stubborn Somalis refuse to submit to a Black President: they reject this ‘ML King with drones’ . . . The Germans suck on their thumbs in total stupor as Americans monitor and record their every conversation…for their own safety! “Our corporations are ingrates after all we have done for them”, the First Black President whines. “They flee from our taxes while we subsidize their operations!”

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/07/30/the-emperors-rage-let-chaos-envelop-the-world/

  304. Its late and I am facing a 5 AM wakeup call and drive to New Hampshire and WordPress just f@#$ing disappeared the opening of this comment.
    My problems with Krauthammers piece include the following:
    He claims Fatah is bitter enemies with Hamas. This has its basis in the 2006/07 post election rampage Hamas went on after they were duly elected by the citizenry of Gaza. Theres no love lost for sure but 2014 saw the culmination of three years work,a PA Unity Government.

    He claims Kerry ” a package of victories” to Hamas in his plan. Opening the borders and making sure funds could flow in to pay the 43k Gazan civil service employees. The thing is this is something Fatah/Abbas has been pursuing prior to the present conflict. Calling them “donations” since the West Bank based PA can’t help them out. It is in the interests of the Unity government to solve this issue as they reintegrate said employees. There is a reality on the ground that is lost in the conflict and the rhetoric.

    Claiming somehow Kerry stomped on Egypts efforts does not hold water when one reads the actual draft. It specifically called in point “B” to build on the Cairo proposal and in point “C” to negotiate at the invitation of Egypt.

    CK also rubbed me the wrong way when he became the third entity in a week to get to bashing Qatar and using “With the exception of Qatar — more a bank than a country — ” as a dig on the emirate. Qatar is not anyones lap dog as they are trying to establish what they see as their worthy spot on the international scene. You want to belittle them? That makes you look like a child. Why don’t you stop counting their fucking money,watching their soccer team and flying their fucking airline and by all means don’t put their fucking television station and magazine in the top tier.Ooops that has all happened.

    Point “C” of the draft read:

    Convene in Cairo,at the invitation of Egypt,within 48 hours to negotiate resolution of all issues necessary to achieve a sustainable ceasefire and enduring solution to the crisis in Gaza,including arrangements to secure the social and economic livelihood of the Palestinian people living in Gaza,transfer funds to Gaza for the payment of salaries for public employees,and address all security issues.

    I don’t see where this is cause for the red eyed rhetoric that flew towards Lurch for the few days it did.
    Hamas isn’t going to disappear except for two routes. Israel commits genocide which contrary to “great sources” like VT isn’t something they want to do. The other is to make them irrelevant.
    Sadly Israel needs to make the bold move just like when they chose disengagement and dragged Jews out of Gaza. Let the Gazans make the right choice this time and go from there.
    As for alienating the PA and others. I don’t see it. The proof is there.
    As for giving Turkey and Qatar too much props. Like it or not they are key players unless you’re going the genocide route.
    As for putting Hamas on an “equal position” to Israel,they actually are whether you like it or not. Duly elected sovereign entities. As for calling them terrorists,well that doesn’t play past the subjective simplicity stuff. Hell ask some folks around the globe who they would like to see before the ICC and you’d be f@#$ing surprised to see the folks higher on the list than Hamas.
    Bottom line it was all for not, a cease fire was brokered and broken pretty much within the same breath. Turkey and Qatar have pledged to do what they can in finding the missing Israeli officer and more folks will die.
    People will side with the Palestinians out of humanity vanity and hating Jews. Others will see Israel as angels and deny that quite simply there is a war going on and that residents of a blockaded speck of land who have no freedom of movement or rights of privacy are going to take issue with it.
    Self perpetuating cycle folks.

  305. Alfie, an way to dumb it down. Like caveman? I read your comment 3 times and can’t make out your objection to the central premise.

  306. Bravo Alfie. And not a single bloviating blowhard on this board will take issue with you. You’ll get crickets. There’s more fun to be had in “Israel can do no wrong” Tex battling with Zionist hating Poolman. They prefer the drama while you calmly demonstrate the complexity of the situation.

    I freely admit I don’t know as much about this as you do but I have enough intuition to know it ain’t a black/white thang and on that I sense you agree. I also think Kerry is doing his best to broker a peace and you can’t do that if you blatantly favor one side over the other.

    We could just try minding our own fucking business but we’ve got billions per year invested in Israel. When you give junior his annual allowance you have a vested interest in what happens to him.

    P.S. I have repeatedly asked here what do we get in return for our unconditional financial and moral support of Israel. I heard Reza Aslan, whom I respect greatly summarize it as … nothing.

  307. Bravo Alfie. And not a single bloviating blowhard on this board will take issue with you. You’ll get crickets.

    Are you kidding? Won’t take issue? ** Guffaw **

    Qatar and Turkey are the very ones handing the rockets to Hamas…and now they are going to broker peace and find a kidnapped Israeli soldier? I quit reading after that. Gibberish.

    Rutherford, you really need to stay out of this one. You’re more Sarah Palin critic than you are Middle East historian. You don’t have a clue…

  308. Others will see Israel as angels and deny that quite simply there is a war going on and that residents of a blockaded speck of land who have no freedom of movement or rights of privacy are going to take issue with it.

    They had all the freedom they wanted until they murdered 2,000 Jews in cold blood six years ago. As to that blockade? Have we forgotten already this?

  309. Rutherford, sadly I find you to have little credibility anymore concerning the important things. That is something that has changed over the six years of our correspondence. I used to believe you much better read and feel sure you were when you were pimping for your failed messiah in 2008.

    You bloviate about crickets? 99.9% of my questions to you go either unanswered or totally unnoticed and have for well over four years now.

    For instance, I predict thundering silence over this:

    92,001,000 Americans Not Working…increased by 11,472,000 since Obama

    Where’s the Hope and the change we were promised? I don’t think I would question anyone’s credibility until you do a great deal of that introspection you spoke of recently.

  310. As I predicted Tex the bulk of your invective was directed at me, who fully admitted no expertise but I don’t see you calling Alfie, Sarah Palin.

    The fact that you see this conflict so one-sided shows your blind spot. Simple as that.

    So Tex what is YOUR opinion of Amnesty International? I bet you lump them in with the SPLC as leftist propagandists.

  311. Thanks alfie. Some of what you wrote makes sense to me.

    However, if Krauthammer’s account is true, you have not destroyed what to me is the central premise of Charles’ comment–that Kerry blundered into negotiations where he was not wanted after talking to people hostile to Israel.

  312. Amnesty International serves a good purpose, but sometimes, they sound like professors in a coffee lounge or students at divinity school.they operate by theory of what ought to be.

    Hamas and other terrorists are hiding behind civilians to make accidental deaths are more likely. Otherwise, why would they place arms near schools, hospitals and other places? They give the enemy little choice but to take military casualities or to kill civilians.

    Israel has warned Palestinians before attacks. Their leaders have at least sometimes urged they to stay put.

    It is an effective strategy and good public relations. Our pilots in Vietnam told me with some bitterness, that anti- aircraft fire came from civilian sites, but they were under orders not to respond. Some of our planes were shot down.I have already told how the Viet Cong rigged babies and children with explosives.

    Until jihadists are exterminated or made irrelevant this long war will continue as it has for over a thousand years.

  313. “Until jihadists are exterminated or made irrelevant this long war will continue as it has for over a thousand years.”

    Or when all religions no longer exist.

  314. Rutherford, you didn’t bother reading the CK piece that we are discussing, did you?

    Can we assume you didn’t bother with the demographics “Google challenge” after your name-calling rant?

    Funny that you equate complexity with obfuscation when you fear it defeats your positions and the opposite when you perceive it as affirmation. Are you capable of anything other than cheerleading?

  315. “Or when all religions no longer exist.”

    Yeah, those Hindus and Buddhists need some exterminating if there’s going to be peace.

  316. As I predicted Tex the bulk of your invective was directed at me, who fully admitted no expertise but I don’t see you calling Alfie, Sarah Palin.

    My “invective” was simply a statement of fact with a little humor thrown in. You ignore the most basic questions, because you have no answer and you’re still desperately shilling for massive failure. I find you intellectually dishonest 99% of the time.

    I don’t direct invective at Alfie because he explains himself. You spout Leftist talking points.

    And I proved you wrong with your own bloviating when you said there would be crickets. Clearly Qatar and Turkey are major players in this conflict and are supplying Hamas with weaponry.

    Even Jordan, Egypt and the Sauds are rooting for Israel to destroy Hamas in this one. But not you…

  317. “I don’t direct invective at Alfie because he explains himself.”

    As do you Tex.

    “Or when all religions no longer exist.”

    Keep the faith Lurker. You’ll get there. The Islamists and Atheists together will wipe the other religions out and one day you’ll all be free from the chains of tolerance.

    Then you can tell your granddaughters about about the days when women were kept in binders before they were finally liberated from their external genitalia and sold to the highest bidder.

    (Cue the You So Drama Queen cheer from Rutherford. You go girl.)

  318. Then you can tell your granddaughters about about the days when women were kept in binders before they were finally liberated from their external genitalia and sold to the highest bidder.

    😆 😆 😆 Classic!

    Muffy, these uber man hatin’ feminists accompanied by their equally feckless male feminists are somehow under the illusion if they can just get rid of all the Christians, the Republicans, the Conservatives, the Islamophobes, and the women who actually like strong men, these “gentlemen” from Islam will appoint women to their rightful place of superiority and assume their role of subordinate. 😈

    Somehow, I don’t think these suicide bombing, head lopping types are going to be nearly as concerned about sexual harassment charges as their current American male counterparts.

    But I do have to admit, I have often contemplated in the theater of my mind what it might look like from heaven for the NOW organization to have a closet full of burkas, and men like Rutherford to be performing the Hajj with walker, wailing about the threat of a Christian theocracy. 😛

    For these reasons alone, I’ve verified these people aren’t just confused. They’re completely deluded.

  319. these “gentlemen” from Islam will appoint women to their rightful place of superiority and assume their role of subordinate.

    Made no sense. Lurker said ALL religions, not all except Islam.

    I once agreed with Lurker but I’m no longer so sure. Some religions can be a civilizing force. Humans are savages with advanced intellect. They need structure and rules. I still believe one can be secular and moral but it takes great strength.

    Religion is the moral crutch for the average debased human being.

  320. Tex since we can’t count on Muffy to be honest, c’mon man, tell us the truth. Is she your wife or your sister or one of your lovely daughters? I ain’t buying the tough-Chicago-chick thing anymore.

  321. @ James and El Tigre,
    I agree that at least a portion of Krauthammer’s central premise is that Kerry “blundered into talks” ;however, I disagree and tried to explain why I did.
    As CK concedes Hamas had rejected the Egyptian bid Lurch was just repackaging it so I really don’t see how he blundered.
    As I pointed out Kerry was all about Egypt so he clearly didn’t trample on their efforts.
    I don’t accept that stating the intent to talk about opening crossings which are indeed central to Hamas desires/demands equals we (the US) were looking for the borders to be opened. That spin was pure hyperbole.
    I want to be clear that I do not support Hamas in any way shape or form. I am just so Machiavellian in my outlook that I accept they are present and will need to be dealt with.
    I do find Erdogan to be a total tool of late but believe Turkey to be an important nation and one facing many challenges that the US has shared interests in.
    I’d be willing to answer any questions or clarify specific points if anyone has ’em.

  322. You’re right Tigre I hadn’t had a chance to read the CK piece until now.

    Seems to me Krauthammer wants us to totally ignore a duly elected government, albeit terrorist, and I don’t see how you can craft a peace process that excludes one of the key players.

    Either Hamas is a governing entity or is it criminal? As long as it is the former, Kerry has to acknowledge it albeit via third parties (Qatar and Turkey).

    Or as I said before Kerry could stay home and we could mind our own damn business.

  323. @ Rutherford I don’t find AI to be evil or necessarily one sided in their conduct.In fact I’ve read a number of their papers and have found them pretty diligent. The most recent one I’ve read to be honest though was about Syria.
    That said I do believe Gazans have experienced forced coercion by Hamas and have been used as pawns for the Hamas agenda which has surely left the rails of what could be called Palestinian concerns/agenda. The ultimate issue regard human shields not human shields is a simple one though. Gaza is so concentrated and Hamas has undeniably housed and launched operations from civilian locations that one has to say Gazans are indeed used as human shields even if they are not being forced to sit somewhere by Hamas militants the reality is that they are in fact forced to sit where they are.
    That make sense?

  324. Alfie thanks for the clarification. Sometime you’re staccato style of commenting assumes too much about morons like myself.

    What do you think about Lurch just staying out of it? Is his involvement necessary or just his support of the Arab League backed the Egyptian efforts of to close a negotiated cease-fire-in-place? CK’s premise requires the belief that without Arab League acceptance Hamas can be left weak and strengthened by war.

    Again, I don’t know enough to have an opinion. Serious questions without agenda/confirmation bias.

  325. Alfie I get the point that a dispersed military presence in a densely populated area ipso facto puts civilians at risk but does that let Israel off the hook for having killed so many?

    Also I’ve read that with blockades and border checks, etc the Gazans really have no safe place to hide.

    Here’s an idea: How bout Bibi set up refugee camps in Israel where innocent people can stay until he finishes his cleanup operation?

  326. I know, R. Your inane comment made it obvious you hadn’t bothered read CK. Plus, it was like a whole page and a half.

  327. Bibi says it pains him to see so many dead yet he is basically saying “I will keep killing you until I root out Hamas”. Talk about a mixed message.

    His claim to fame is that he warns them to flee to safety before he destroys their neighborhood but American reporters on the ground say there is no longer any safe place to hide.

  328. Let’s negotiate with Al Qaeda!!!!

    I don’t know about tough Chicago Chick. But I do know she’s a hellavu lot funnier and more intelligent than one Chicago pretender.

    Make that two…

  329. “You should be flattered Tigre that I prioritize reading your drivel over the important stuff.”

    I would be if you had the capacity to understand either.

  330. “And should we, the US be involved in peace talks in the first place?”

    That was my question to Alfie. You trying to copy me?

    I don’t think so. But I could be convinced otherwise.

    I thought you read my drivel.

    Now. What demands?

  331. So the Hamas – Al Qaeda equivalency doesn’t cut it.

    Oh, I see. If a terrorist government elected (your feckless American government recognizes that fact by the way), it’s perfectly okay to commit murder in the name of Allah.

    I guess in my FOX News mind, never understanding the greatness of ‘Progressives’, that would actually make a freely elected terrorist group even more egregious than a band of ungoverned thugs.

    I bow to you bewildering conclusions, bartender. Yes We Can!

  332. @ El Tigre I have mixed views on it all.
    On one hand I appreciate we have an interest in the region even when we’re not the most welcomed at the table.
    I also think the USA serves as a buffering agent that allows the Arab states to move in a manner that perhaps pockets of their populations don’t want them to. For example Tex has made the point about the Saudis. His point holds true but you got to keep in mind the repressive nature of the House of Saud as well as the pressures they can face rooting against Hamas whilst being Wahabbi Central at the same time,especially with the Sunni Shia tension in the area right now.
    I guess push comes to shove I have to concede that Kerry put in effort and contrary to what some of the detractors said was inclusive of others and not trampling or spotlight stealing etc.
    As for those he did include…Well I think no matter how you slice it dealing with the Qataris especially is finding the leverage player Hamas won’t dick about with.

  333. @ Rutherford
    Hamas demands deserve to come to the table but they also deserve great scrutiny. It would be best if the Hamas demands could be morphed into being Gaza/Palestinian demands instead.

    For example contrary to how some sources always portray the area there is a lot of development and opportunity that would only grow if the whole war thing would go away. For example Gaza is trying really hard to complete a water/sewage facility. The thing is though when construction is allowed equipment and cement ends up being diverted for tunnels and bunkers. Seriously which is the Palestinian interest and which the Hamas one? I believe there is a potential to detach the cars of this f@#$ed up train,I think Hamas wouldn’t go quietly though.

  334. @ Rutherford 431
    Alfie I get the point that a dispersed military presence in a densely populated area ipso facto puts civilians at risk but does that let Israel off the hook for having killed so many?
    For me personally I look at this as an ongoing war with combat occurring within occupied territory. I don’t think anyone is on or off any hook and that the combatants in Gaza,Hamas primarily,are as guilty as anyone for bringing the heat upon civilians.
    Also I’ve read that with blockades and border checks, etc the Gazans really have no safe place to hide.
    Yeah they really don’t so although the phone ahead beating plan is kind of noble it really doesn’t help. The thing is though that Hamas is integrated into the population to such a point you could question whether the strikes are really all that different from other historical combat operations. Aim for a Nazi and blow up a playground ala Dresden.
    Here’s an idea: How bout Bibi set up refugee camps in Israel where innocent people can stay until he finishes his cleanup operation?
    How about people point out the tunnels and eliminate the need for the Israelis to be there at all?

  335. re 447, Does Israel have defined borders, and if so, what are they? I say this as they continue to build permanent infrastructure and homes on what is considered Palestine. And let’s talk about Jerusalem. Whose land?

    And, I’ll direct my next question to you this time. All this talk of rockets and this magnificent iron dome, have you seen evidence of Hamas rockets? You’d think with the many hundreds flying they’d catch a few snapshots. Most of what I have seen on the ground has been identified as iron dome missile parts. There’s even some connected folks stating it can achieve only a 5 percent accuracy rating based on trajectory and proximity and the fact it has to hit these incoming rockets head on to ensure detonation in the air.

  336. Is there any part of you that views the conflict as a war instead of terrorists vs a state?

    I view it as both, Alfie. And I’ll go even further and state I believe this war is a war of Caliphate vs. Western Civilization.

    Hamas, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, is clearly a terrorist organization. I haven’t found any but the Tool™ types that would deny that. And I find those Americans and Europeans useful idiots and Jew haters, so what they think only reinforces what I believe.

    But Hamas is also a freely elected government of Gaza.

    But to be honest, it makes no difference to me how we define this war,

    Israel is now fighting our war. Democracy vs. Sharia…

  337. And, I’ll direct my next question to you this time. All this talk of rockets and this magnificent iron dome, have you seen evidence of Hamas rockets? You’d think with the many hundreds flying they’d catch a few snapshots. Most of what I have seen on the ground has been identified as iron dome missile parts. There’s even some connected folks stating it can achieve only a 5 percent accuracy rating based on trajectory and proximity and the fact it has to hit these incoming rockets head on to ensure detonation in the air.

    LOL. What a certifiably stupid person you are. I’d like to think there’s nobody else out there this fundamentally hate filled, gullible and stupid, but the 2012 election demonstrated to me there are millions.

  338. I agree more with alfie than I disagree, but maybe I am becoming isolationist. The Obama administration occupies a position of il repute with Israel and Egypt. I believe Kerry would have better served our interests by staying in the background unless asked. Egypt as the author of a peace plan, Hamas, and Israel should be negotiating in the same room. Turkey and Quatar may have legitimate interests, and Turkey is becoming a regional power which could further our interests in the future.

    I believe Kerry’s attending a separate meeting and appearing to impose its conclusions on the other parties was a blunder which did little to bring even temporary peace. The AP.s report of Israel’s sharp rebuke to the Obama administration lends credence to my opinion.

    Yes, Poolman, the missiles are real. If they weren’t someone credible would be telling us. Reports of non- existent missiles would easily be discredited.

    We just returned from Omaha and a baptism. We will be home for most of this month as a contractor replaces our storm-wrecked garage. After he removes the roof sometime next week, we mist remove the contents, including a squashed 1976 Monza. If everything works out, we will be in Winnipeg enjoying Folklarama after that. I hope.

  339. Although it appears to hit incoming Hamas rockets, Israel’s system could be falling short of detonating the rockets’ warheads.

    I think you need to read what you wrote again and compare it to the claims of the article.

    5% accuracy is not what this article said, dimwit. It says the system is often failing to detonate the war head which is true. But it still changes the trajectory of the aim. And being I know most Jews about a galactic click smarter than you, they wouldn’t be spending the money to finance a 95% failure rate.

    That’s what ditch diggers and Joooo haters do – pay for failure. Like your pool construction.

  340. Israel may be playing the role of Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours or perhaps the soldiers who stopped Islam at the gates of Vienna. Probably not, but maybe.

  341. Yes, Poolman, the missiles are real. If they weren’t someone credible would be telling us. Reports of non- existent missiles would easily be discredited.

    James, how do you know? Have you seen them yourself or did somebody ‘credible’ informl you they were real? Firstly, who would be considered credible in this conflict? There seems to be no real neutral parties.

    I’ve been learning a lot about the system, but where are the pictures? There are certainly lots of pictures of these systems and plenty of everything else. In a world of hundreds of rockets and hundreds of cameras, it just seems a bit odd. And I’m not the only one.

    Israel Defense Prize laureate and aerospace engineer Dr. Moti Shefer, whose specialty is interception missiles, says Iron Dome is a bluff. It doesn’t intercept anything but rather invents virtual rockets. The explosions we hear are the sounds of Iron Dome missiles self-destructing.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.606034

  342. Alfie, the simple answer: No. Israel has no intention of staying within it’s UN designated boundries no matter is girl scouts lived next door. They would find a way to demonize the GSA. That is their historical mo.

  343. Poolman the iron dome quote came from subscriber only content so I don’t know if you took it out of context.

    I did see a banner ad urging Americans to “stop funding Hamas”.

  344. Poolman, I Googled pictures of Hamas missiles striking Israel. The New York Times, NBC and London Times have not said the missiles were fakes. I would notice if several news organizations even if biased against Hamas or Isreal reported such a story. Hamas says they are firing missiles at Israel. A UN rep said it is unfair of Israel to hide their anti-missile technology from Hamas. That implies the missiles are real.

    Israel appears willing to do what it takes to destroy the tunnels and to at least weaken Hamas. I think they are determined.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian army is tightening its noose around Ukraine’s city. Lugansk is on the verge of a humanitarian catastrophy. What is the point of war if one side pulls its punches? Who decides when the cost is too high to continue? The question applies to both wars. I don’t think any of the four sides has a choice if it wants to survive.

  345. The Jew hating UN defining Israel’s boundaries? LOL

    Israel would be foolish to listen. The UN has the same philosophy as Poolman. The only good Jew is a dead Jew.

  346. Philip Seymour Hoffman was a good actor. Hate that he chose to kill himself.

    A Most Wanted Man is a pretty good movie. But Hoffman’s acting was Oscar worthy. Ironic how some of the best actors are life’s most troubled people.

  347. The Jew hating UN defining Israel’s boundaries?

    Um, weren’t they the ones who first defined the boundaries and established the state? What am I missing here?

  348. “Ironic how some of the best actors are life’s most troubled people.”

    I’ve heard it said that crazy people make good artists. There may be something to that but I think it’s more about who surrounds them especially around the time of their death. Stable family lives verses the drug culture of stranger facilitators, peddlers, and predatory hangers-on. Sometimes household enablers or bloodsuckers.

    Hedonism is a swell religion.

  349. @ pool man
    I think the borders are well defined and that other than settlements in the West Bank are not far off the UN charts. Given I personally view the situation as an ongoing war which actually explains all both sides deny the settlement issue is still fluid in some cases.
    As for Jerusalem I have always been of the opinion that it should be an independent international entity protected by a multi faith rotation of “blue berets”.

    As for your rocket query. I doubted Iron Dome had the high 80-90 % success rate that was touted for obvious reasons. I am better read on military systems than many and have followed the ABM saga from anti-ICBM such as Nike and “Star Wars” to the other systems like Patriot,Arrow,Phalanx/CIWs system and the old Chaparrel system.
    That said since I don’t doubt the existence of Hamas and Islamic Jihad,do believe the pair have launched rockets and other projectiles,and that independent data bears out launches and the “quality” thereof. So bottom-line yes there are hostile rockets coming from Gaza.
    I think there is a level of confusion though that Iron Dome fans and detractors are causing. The system does indeed intercept some rockets.It misses some too.
    The Hamas/IJ launches also experience misfires and strikes in rural areas and obviously there are successful strikes. Of these three only the successful strikes are worthy critiques of the system since as a rule it doesn’t deploy to misfires and the rural strikes.
    I personally believe all launches are counted. I think Iron Dome deploys only on launches heading towards populated “urban” targets & troop concentration areas. The wiggle room for the success math is obvious.

  350. Israel would be foolish to listen. The UN has the same philosophy as Poolman. The only good Jew is a dead Jew.

    Honest to goodness how can you expect to be taken seriously when you write garbage like that?

  351. “Honest to goodness how can you expect to be taken seriously when you write garbage like that?”

    I hate to break it to you Rutherford but you’re being just a tad hypocritical in singling out anyone else around here with the unserious tag.

    Not to mention the most unserious president imaginable is your JFK.

    By the way, Naperville, I’m not sure which part of my identity is unbelievable to you but my veracity is unimpeachable.

  352. Honest to goodness how can you expect to be taken seriously when you write garbage like that?

    Well, perhaps because many of the Human Right’s Commission members has said as much – as in Israel must be exterminated.

    Why don’t you prove me wrong? Because I’ve got 2,000,000 hits that demonstrate the blatant antisemitism of the U.N., including statements from various representatives of the U.N., including every NATO nation.

    You’re clueless, Obama dupe.

  353. A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don’t get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need.’

    Here we go:

    The Palestinians want their own country. There’s just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It’s a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like ‘Wiccan,’ ‘Palestinian’ sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was Owned by Egypt , the West Bank was owned by Jordan , and there were no ‘Palestinians.’

    As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the ‘Palestinians,’ weeping for their deep bond with their lost ‘land’ and ‘nation.’

    So for the sake of honesty, let’s not use the word ‘Palestinian’ any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone Points out they’re being taped. Instead, let’s call them what they are: ‘Other Arabs Who Can’t Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death.’ I know that’s a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: ‘Adjacent Jew-Haters.’ Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing: No, they don’t. They could’ve had their own country. Anytime in the last thirty years, especially several years ago at Camp David. But If you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks. And Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

    That’s no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course that’s where the Real fun is — but mostly they want Israel.

    Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel – or ‘The Zionist Entity’ as their Textbooks call it — for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab Countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they’re the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God’s Earth, and if you’ve ever been around God’s Earth, you know that’s really saying something.

    It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mid east. Unless I’m missing something, the Arabs haven’t given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

    Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five Million Jews.

    Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals.

    Really? Wow, what neat news.
    Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive very Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

    My friend, Kevin Rooney, made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the Numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.

    Or marshalling every fibre and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab State into the sea? Nonsense.

    Or dancing for joy at the murder of Innocents? Impossible.

    Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

    No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

    However, in any big-picture strategy, there’s always a danger of losing moral weight. We’ve already lost some. After September 11th our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day) start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint. ~ Dennis Miller

    P.S. – Have said as much on the previous post. Sheesh…

  354. Muffy your blind (and predictable) defense of our resident radical commenter only contributes to my humorous conjecture of your real relationship to Tex.

    You’re good at deflecting too. Stop being a star eyed groupie and defend his comment. Do you think the UN position is that the only good Jew is a dead one? Please elaborate on that one.

  355. Wait a minute Tex, did you just have me sit through a history lesson from comedian Dennis Miller?

    Please don’t EVER say squat again when I quote Jon Stewart. And btw, Stewart, a Jew, is a tad bit conflicted about the current state of affairs as is anyone without a political axe to grind.

  356. Rutherford no one’s perfect but you’ve been wrong about everything. Tex has been wrong about very little.

    PS..sorry Kneepads but you cant play the fangirl card on anyone even me. Tex never made me weep like I was at an Elvis concert.

  357. @#481 – a lesson in deflection from the master.

    What was it that Miller got wrong Rutherford? Please elaborate on that one.

  358. That Dennis Miller screed is offensive on many levels. Of course, he’s supposed to be a comedian. Maybe that’s why it’s laughable. I don’t find his delivery funny, but the content, hilarious. 😆

  359. @475 When has the UN defended Israel at the expense of the Palestinians?

    When has the UN condemned the Palestinians?

    Hamas is the one firing rockets from UN schools. Isn’t their firing of munitions at indiscriminate targets in Israel from an international school more damning than a state defending itself from attack by attacking the point of origin for rocket attacks?

    How many resolutions has the UN passed against Israel, and compare that number to the number of resolutions passed against the Palestinians. Is this not indicative of a bias? Consider that we, the United States, as well as the international community, define Hamas as a terrorist organization. Why do they deserve the benefit of the doubt? Especially in light of explicit evidence of war crimes as defined by the Geneva Conventions.

    I suspect you’re clutching at talking points and not really thinking about the situation.

  360. Stewart doesn’t have a political axe to grind?

    😈 Yeah, okay Rutherford. And Rush Limbaugh doesn’t have an axe to grind with RINOs either.

    It figures you’d be siding with a terrorist organization – you’ve got an unholy alliance with Islam from way back. Park 51 was when I had my eyes open you were a little more of a nasty piece of work than I had originally believed. And I knew damn well it had little to do with your love of Islam or your fellow man either.

    But at that time, I never understood how historically ignorant and ‘religiously’ bigoted you could be.

  361. Rutherford, tex has been right more often than you. In fact, all of us have been right more often than you. You have damaged your credibility to the point that you must document your opinions. If you tell us the sky is blue, a picture and scientific studies to back you up would help.

  362. Tex you’re talking like a fool. I’m not siding with Hamas. A dead 7 year old is a dead 7 year old. Why do you think I am critical of our drone strikes? We kill a bunch of innocents to get one or two guys.

    As for Park 51, the air was full of the voices of anti-Muslim bigots. And it got resolved to the sound of crickets — much ado about nothing.

    Sadly Tex you have absorbed the worst lessons of your religion. You’re an Old Testament guy of revenge instead of a New Testament guy of forgiveness. I’m not so religiously ignorant that I don’t know you are one of the worst ambassadors of Christianity imaginable.

  363. Muffy I repeat– defend Tex’s statement that the UN position is that the only good Jew is a dead Jew. Either you can defend it or you can’t. Step up Muffy. Don’t worry, Tex will still love you.

  364. Welcome to the blog Bob. I don’t give Hamas the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately they are the elected leaders of their people so unlike a mere terrorist organization, diplomacy has to be on the table, not just brute force.

    Or Israel should declare war on Palestine. Why doesn’t anyone (including us) ever declare war anymore?

  365. When has the UN defended Israel at the expense of the Palestinians?

    Bob, the UN established Israel in Palestine. It even defined their borders. This was acceptable to most of the Jews, but was unacceptable to the peoples living in Palestine at that time. The indigenous peoples said no, but that did not stop it from happening. It appears that was the only time Israel honored any UN decision.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_General_Assembly_Resolution_181

    As to much of the remainder of your post, you may do well to listen to the video I posted in 469. It’s a war of words.

  366. So a war would solve the territorial issue?
    Well yeah because it would obviously be Israel electing the genocide route I mentioned earlier.
    Rutherford does have a hang up though in that Israel et al are in a state of war whether or not parties have a paper declaration.This perspective explains everything even if the parties involved don’t admit it.
    @ Rutherford
    Why doesn’t anyone (including us) ever declare war anymore?
    I would say those days are gone. Much like the late 19th and early 20th Centuries saw declared formal war as a logical progression of diplomacy today we see it less the paperwork. Hegemony ultimately demands shots fired and blood spilled this is a timeless truth.

  367. Poolman the biggest problem with you (well not the biggest) is that you fail to accept that states have a right to be hostile and to reap all that being so pays out.
    The UN hangup you have re Israel is much the same as many others. the thing is though regardless of Israel is believed to experience its genesis as a modern state they have the right to do whatever they want.
    Historically perhaps you and a number of other Americans could wrap your heads around Manifest Destiny and not be years on douchebag hypocrites when others do the same thing.

  368. Bob I don’t think war would necessarily SOLVE anything but at least the casualties could be chalked up to official combat and not be characterized as an act of aggression.

  369. Historically perhaps you and a number of other Americans could wrap your heads around Manifest Destiny and not be years on douchebag hypocrites when others do the same thing.

    Gotta admit, you have a point there.

  370. Rutherford you touch upon the nugget many on both sides want look past.
    It all has to be seen as a continuation of war/ hostilities and the actions of the players bears me out. Israel believes it has a right of self defense,well that’s all good but then they have to declare the other side sovereign states and they and the US don’t. So their actions which include Gaza being besieged are acts of war. On the UN World opinion page they hold Palestinians as recognized non member state thus they have a seat in NYC.Locally they support actions that clearly recognize them as so and not as some type of state less displaced persons. Hamas &Co. for their part have elected positions and at a minimum are un impeded by the populace whence carrying out military actions. At a minimum that makes them all connected as an organized form of resistance engaged in combat with another entity.

  371. Alfie, obviously we don’t share the same ideology or have much in common. Your claim, ‘states have a right to be hostile and to reap all that being so pays out’, is the root of the problem. Where does this right come from? It is actually might over right. Firstly, a state is merely a human concept. It is nothing in the natural world. Yes, nature supports the survival of the fittest theory, but nature also provides balance we humans simply cannot. Stating that if I and other like-mindeds could only ‘wrap your heads around Manifest Destiny’ we’d be less hypocritical is a farce. Manifest destiny isn’t a modern concept. It isn’t fate. It aligns with tribalism. It is no different than imperialism or colonialism.

  372. Who owned the territory?

    Where were the calls for Palestine in 1947? How about 1966?

    Being new here, I’m sure you’ve been vocal against Russia in Crimea?

  373. “A dead 7 year old is a dead 7 year old.” -Rutherford Lawson

    Lol. Rutherford…..come on. There are plenty of dead 7 year old children you don’t find very interesting. For instance, black children murdered within the confines of the failed progressive welfare state don’t blip your radar, even if only a few miles from your apartment.

    In fact, the calculus behind which child we are supposed to grieve (and then fight for their honor by way of debate that hopefully changes society or the world) is pretty confusing around here.

    White children killed by an insane person requires all kinds of debate…mostly about guns or Sara Palin’s stock photo on a website?

    *Arab children not so much unless they happen to be Palestinian and killed by Jews. (Palestinian children killed by Arabs….no).

    Chinese children killed in the womb for being female, no. (Ultimately…that is a right….it’s not up to him for why a baby in the womb is killed)

    Now….here is where it gets interesting.

    **Hispanic children killed on their dangerous trek to America. No. Dangerous routes to America don’t interest you.

    But…..after they get here….you care very much about them…..until they end up in the confines of the failed progressive welfare state and then…shizaaam! Don’t care again.

    Recap.

    Syria No
    Palestine Yes*
    Iraq No
    Latin America Yes and No**

    OK….I’m confused.

  374. Welcome, Bob. I hope you keep writing. Yes, 1967 did settle something. Israel continues to exist. They won that right through conquest. Hostilities do continue because Israel’s enemies still want to destroy her. Since the parties still exist, the war continues in one form or another Past wars have lasted over a century. This one doesn’t look much different.

    Some of us were vocal about Russia’s seizure of Crimea. It is a hazy area, though because Crimea has been traditionally tied to Russia for generations. Russia needs Crimea. What we think doesn’t matter. Russia has Crimea because they were strong enough to take it.

    Poolman a state is more than a human concept. In its traditional form it is a relatively cohesive population of genetically and culturally similar people. Such a state defines similar groups of people. Trouble starts when a state is an artificial creation, too diverse for loyalty to a central government or to various different ethnic groups.

    I agree with alfie in 499.

  375. James, I’ll have to disagree. A state, like a country, IS a human concept. Land may have natural divisions like shorelines, mountains, and rivers, but even those aren’t necessarily permanent. Volcanoes form new land while landslides eat shorelines and sinkholes make new lakes.

    Of course, like Guam, we have to be careful not to congregate to densely in one place or we could possibly tip over. 😉

  376. Rabbit you insist that I must publicly weep for ALL mistreated children to express an opinion about any subset. That’s patently ridiculous.

    We’re not having a discussion here about all abused children. We’re discussing Israel and Palestine.

    I think it’s a damn shame that youngsters are caught in the crossfire of Chicago gang wars. If you want a thread on that, fine, let’s do it. That’s not this thread.

    And you know one reason dead black Chicago kids don’t get attention here? Cos sadly it’s the status quo. It’s no longer considered news. I’ll take a hit for not keeping it on the front burner but if you really think I dismiss the problem then you’re wrong.

  377. I have to ask Tex and Rabbit, is there ANYTHING that Israel could do that would merit criticism from you? Or do 6 million gassed give them a permanent free pass?

    It’s a serious question.

  378. I once wrote a satirical piece on this but I’ll pose the solution here again, with a twist.

    Tex since you LOVE Israel and Texas so much, why don’t you and all your pro-Israel Okie neighbors haul your asses to Texas and give your land to Israel?

    If they all moved to Oklahoma they’d be surrounded by friends and they can let the Middle East boil in its own venom.

    Surely, Christ all knowing can find them in their new home and the rapture can still go off without a hitch. 😉

  379. Bob no one here including me is happy with Russia’s new found bravado. I especially have egg on my face because I joined many libs in laughing at Mitt when he turned out right.

    Following on Poolman’s comments, borders only “work” when the land is “purchased” from the previous owners. Land taken by conquest or dictate leads to trouble. It really is kind of amazing that Native Americans, still an underclass in our country don’t pick up guns and kill us all.

    LOL and the Tea Partiers have the gall to say “I want my country back.” Pfffft. The only folks who get to say that are the Cherokee, the Sioux, etc.

  380. Poolman what the fuck are you talking about?!?!
    The “natural world” WTF is that got to do with R-E-A-L-I-T-Y.
    A HUMAN CONCEPT? NO SHIT! Last time I checked the largest pox on this marble is said humans. Our concepts,decisions and actions are what makes up our collective reality.
    As for your dissing the Manifest Destiny example again seriously stay out of the sun take a few days off or something.
    How you see no parallels between the formation of Israel and your current home states genesis via the Mexican Cession and Gadsen Purchase is simply incredible.The essentially “christian” populism that drove Manifest Destiny in the USA is clearly akin to zionisms principles in Israel and Mohammeds strategic visions.
    As for might makes right again no shit! Morality has no place or standing in Real Politik,in reality. Never has never will in fact the veil of morality has dressed up more disgraces in global history than Rutherford would allow me the space to list.

  381. @ Bob what is it you expect from people regards the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine?
    If you expect moral indignation I can’t offer you any of that.

    If you are looking for a deep intellectual appreciation for the fact the Soviets poured Russians into the Ukraine and intentionally reset the demographics there as they did elsewhere I’ve got you covered.I can give you that that Soviet era scheme led to a virtual sleeper cell for the New Russia types to benefit from theres something to be said there.
    I’ll also add that the Ukraine is indeed a sovereign albeit weak state that deserves better than its getting from its bully of a former boss. The thing is though nations must be allowed to experience civil war,invasion and the whole shebang just as other nations have the right to act on it.
    I’ve stated here before I don’t care if NATO expansion threatens or otherwise unsettles Moscow. I don’t think it is in the best interest of the USA to allow Moscow to believe they are the default power in the area,their spheres of influence are not to be bestowed by others. It is ridiculous that we & others honor the Montreux Convention to the detriment of a country like Ukraine.

  382. Sadly Tex you have absorbed the worst lessons of your religion. You’re an Old Testament guy of revenge instead of a New Testament guy of forgiveness. I’m not so religiously ignorant that I don’t know you are one of the worst ambassadors of Christianity imaginable.

    Wild whiff at Alinsky, Rutherford. How many times have I admitted, it is not difficult to be a Christian – it is impossible? And that’s the point. My failures are not Jesus’ failures.

    Too bad you couldn’t sit on the steps of Jewish Temple 2,000 years ago and condemn Christ for calling the governing administration a brood of vipers, or remind Him of His ambassadorship while He turning over the money changer temples of government.

    I guess they crucified Christ because He couldn’t follow His own rules too? Because He was a pacifist? Because He didn’t offer to change the message? You do recognize truth comes with a price, don’t you?

    I’m sure you’ll be demanding me to turn the other cheek too, if the time comes for the knife to be at your throat while they savage your wife. I forgive them. See how easy that will be to do? 😈

    This unholy alliance between you Leftists and the real murderers of this world did not take me by surprise. Frankly, you’ve almost surprised me that you haven’t picked up and Koran and started ululating, being you’re generally about that wrong – like diametrically opposed to light. If it didn’t have some mention of some god, it would certainly be appealing to you.

    The sad news for you and great news for me is that Old Testament still stands and the New Testament simply fulfilling the Old. And if you think Jesus the Poolman type Pacifist, I defy you to pick up The Book of the Revelation and read it, then get back with me to correct my vision.

    Rutherford, your little god is Leftist politic – and yes, it is your religion. Obama’s failure is your failure, you’ve now discovered your man of hope and change an abysmally unqualified charlatan, and that is a bitter pill to swallow in something you provided so much hope, now clearly laid wasted to deceitful dust while we rag your for your excesses. It matters not that you can win elections as I fully admit there are more fools than winners in America, and our days are numbered. You too will lose, sooner or later. Guaranteed.

    Having said that, millions of Christians who came before you provided you the luxury of worrying about your rash instead of Ebola, running your mouth though you never lifted a finger to fight for freedom, provided you a world class education though you not qualified, and allowed you hide behind the military uniform that provides you the very freedoms you take for granted while having the unmitigated gall to think them mercenaries.

    There may come a time, you don’t have that luxury. And then and only then being you are a basket case, myopic fool and lost cause, you might realize I was genuinely truthful which you failed to recognize.

    And you will wish you listened more and obfuscated less.

  383. Tex since you LOVE Israel and Texas so much, why don’t you and all your pro-Israel Okie neighbors haul your asses to Texas and give your land to Israel?

    Gawd, you are so historically stupid, you’re like a toddler. Not even a teenager.

    Listen up, Short Round. I would happily offer the State of Israel a large parcel of land to use Oklahoma as they see fit. It would be far better managed. If Israel can do that with a desert, I can’t imagine what they could do with the foothills of a fertile mountain range.

    Having said that, Rutherford, Israel is home. That is their historical land. That’s the conflict, dope. And it’s the magic of the entire situation. Jerusalem is God’s city. Jews, gentiles, and even the head loppers realize the historical significance of Jerusalem.

    Frankly, only a dumbass Leftist like you would think that honeypot of dog shit, Boston, the center of the universe. 😈

    The more clever you try to be, Rutherford, the dumber you become. Get back to Palin where you belong.

  384. Ha Ha Poolman Guam could tip over with a big splash to swamp the west coast.

    Yes, people determine national borders, but they are largely creations to express demographic reality. Estonia, for example, is a separate nation, and its people are different from its Baltic neighbors. The United States while increasing diverse is still unified by a common culture and language. Most stable nations were already nations before politicians drew the borders.

    Yugoslavia, Iraq, and some other countries are/were largely artificial creations composed of people who don’t like each other. They tend to be unstable.

    I’m over simplifying but I don’t have the time or space.

    alfie made an important point that the Soviets created a fifth column in former eastern block nations. Something similar happened in Texas when Mexico encouraged immigration from the United States.

    Liberals claimed to want to take their country back when George Bush was elected. The Tea Party was right to borrow from the libs. This is not the country it was. Of course liberals and conservatives were not claiming to physically retake possession of parts of the US. They were talking about the culture and economic features which have changed.

    Why do you stop with the Sioux and the Cherokees, Rutherford? They stole land from others. Shouldn’t those earlier people have to right to say they want their land back too?

  385.  And it’s the magic of the entire situation. Jerusalem is God’s city.

    Shame so many die over magic … your word, not mine. 

    Get back to Palin where you belong.

    Well, good to see you acknowledging she’s a nitwit. Now if you just had this level of clarity on the moral ambiguity of this Middle East clusterfuck. 

  386. Why do you stop with the Sioux and the Cherokees, Rutherford? They stole land from others. Shouldn’t those earlier people have to right to say they want their land back too?

    Your history is better than mine. I tip my hat to you.

  387. Thanks Rutherford. Here is a present you probably won’t check.

    Christina Novelli Concrete Angel ( Acoustic) Lyrics on YouTube.

    A stretch lets one interpret the song as a description of our current national political debate. Too many of us are talking at each other in Washington DC and elsewhere,

  388. Rutherford,

    Violence between Arab and Jew is man bites dog news to you?

    In 5 years plus of coming here, even after savage weekends of violence in Chicago, you’ve never brought the topic up once.

    Yes, I would love a blog post on why black on black violence has exploded since President Johnson and the era of the welfare state.

    Its hard for me to have a conversation about Israel because you are so ignorant. I hate to say, but its true.

    I think the Zionist minority in Israel is problamatic. There are some crazy Jews. While I understand the importance of creating some buffer area when you are tiny strip of land surrounded by savage Muhammadans, settlements aren’t helpful. Israel needs to be smarter about that (and to some extent they have). I’ve watched the Jewish army kick some of these guys’ asses.

    Demographics alone should scare the shit out of Israel. The Israelis aren’t having enough kids. If they don’t find a peaceful solution mathematics alone will do them in.

    Its hard to have this conversation with someone who doesn’t understand the evil of Hamas . You will take the ball and run into the wrong endzone.

  389. Shame so many die over magic … your word, not mine.

    Believe as you must. I won’t make the attempt to convince you otherwise. Your bigotry and lack of knowledge is why I find you such an unedifying man, holding of no beauty or wisdom, and truthfully, profoundly foolish and stupid, easily hoodwinked by the “magic man” like Obama.

    But the magic of Jerusalem, the sticking point of Arab/Jew relations, you arrogant pagans and Jew haters can’t explain. Jerusalem should be a city of no importance. It’s not of any particular military strategy, or trade route, nor coastal waterway and shipping route. And yet, there it is. The central focal point of the approaching world war.

    Ironically, just as whites saved your ass from a lifetime of poverty, misery, and death that is Africa, displaced displaced German Jews in large part saved the civilized world, discovering the power of the atom shortly before a madman named Hitler did.

    And miraculously, it was another less known Jew whose discovery led to reducing world hunger in a quantum leap – a man by the name of Fritz Haber, who found a way to synthesise ammonia …expelled from Germany because he came from a Jewish family.

    Yes, I do indeed consider the Jews very special. I consider the Arabs and men like you of no significance, no importance, and frankly ingrates whose passing I never mourn.

    And once again I am reminded, why I am justified to say these vicious things about you – because a vicious propagandist like you needs the exposure, just like Mr. Poolman – perhaps the closest brother you’re really got here. Great minds think alike.

  390. When I think about the tough objective Israel has with this offensive, I’m actually amazed the death toll is so low.

    Gaza is dense with humanity. And these people have dug tunnels all over the place so that they can kill Jews. Their declaration of independence is literally word for word a promise to kill all the Jews. All of them!

    Israel has the means to make Gaza a sheet of glass.

  391. Rabbit with all due respect your comment (calling me ignorant) was hardly erudite.

    Yes I know Hamas ain’t the good guys. I also know it’s an old fight but the news media sure ain’t bored with it. You see any news editors saying “ah those crazy Zionists are fighting evil Hamas again, nothing to see here.”

    One could argue neither b on b violence nor Israel-Palestine are “news”. But one gets the coverage, doesn’t it? I didn’t create those news priorities.

  392. Yes, I do indeed consider the Jews very special. I consider the Arabs … of no significance, no importance,

    And this makes you either stupid, a bigot, or both.

  393. How you see no parallels between the formation of Israel and your current home states genesis via the Mexican Cession and Gadsen Purchase is simply incredible.

    I don’t think the crown established Arizona, like they did Israel. America winning the Mexican-American war gave us possession of this land. The Gadsden Purchase was just that – an exchange of money for lands. It was purchased specifically for the railroad. This all happened AFTER Americans had established themselves here. Mexicans that lived here at the time were offered full citizenship, or given the option for safe passage to relocate in Mexico.

    There was no such offer for Arabs in Israel, since it is a Jewish state. Arabs can be Israeli citizens, but will NEVER have equal rights with Jews. How does that look parallel? That aside, what makes you think I am totally okay with how the indigenous peoples were treated here? I think they had a greater respect than the white man for this land and its resources. Since we’ve taken it over, we’ve poisoned the ground water. Is that responsible?

    The Palestinians said NO to the mandated Jewish state, but their voices and their claim to the land they were living on went ignored. Therefore it was taken from them. Zionists had earlier rejected offers by other nations to provide a Jewish homeland within their countries. They insisted that Palestine was the only place they would go. The Holocaust (burnt offering) was used as justification. Was that the ‘purchase’ price?

    Here’s a question for you: Do you think Jews are the legitimate owners of Palestine and is it rightfully their promised land?

    The essentially “christian” populism that drove Manifest Destiny in the USA is clearly akin to zionisms principles in Israel and Mohammeds strategic visions.

    Sorry, I think you are being too simplistic here and you’re missing some important truths. Does religion, or the excuse thereof, play a major part in conquest and nation building? Sure, but it’s often misguided and used by tptb.

    First, all Jews are not Zionists. There are many sects within Judaism, many diametrically opposed to others. Zionists believe they are G-d’s chosen people and that all other peoples are lesser life forms that are only here to serve them. They have no interest in converts, only in sympathizers.

    Second, let’s not use such a broad brush to define Christians either. Many cults are considered ‘christian’, but are far removed from the teachings of Jesus. True Christians are here to serve and spread the good news of Christ to the world. They are interested in converting others, but primarily are here to be God’s hands and feet.

    Third, there are many cults and factions within Islam. True Muslims have a similar mission as Christians in that they are interested in converting others, but they do it without the freedom found in Christ. Their life is one of submission, discipline, and of daily sacrifice.

    Those labeled as ‘christians’ and ‘muslims’ have conquered peoples and lands, believing it for their god. Both prefer theocratic rule over anything secular or even democratic. That doesn’t mean they are true to their faith, rather they misunderstand it.

  394. And this makes you either stupid, a bigot, or both.

    Like I said. You’re party to an unholy alliance – a rank propagandist now not for failed big government, but mass murderers. And that should come as no surprise to many of us. You always choose wrong.

    It was you who was indoctrinated at a young age to hate whitey America like Palestinian children are to hate Jews. Momma told you that you should fear that Christian ‘theocracy’ for the rest of your days. There’s an obvious lineage of bigots running through your blood. You can’t be racist, however, because you got no power – akin to Wright, Jack$on and $harpton. PUKE…hymietown and interlopers is your screed amongst friends.

    I do chuckle thinking it possible, a Christian and Jewish bigot like you who has never know anything but freedom, might indeed one day get to choose your head with the knife to your throat, staring straight into the eyes of a real theocracy. That would be poetic justice. You’ll wail and like it.

    But by all means, Obama Jr., tell me why I should consider those who danced in the streets on 9/11 and celebrated with joy by handing out candy to their children while 2,700 American lay dead in two collapsed towers, important? I call that without reservation, the enemy.

  395. “Yes I know Hamas ain’t the good guys. I also know it’s an old fight but the news media sure ain’t bored with it. You see any news editors saying “ah those crazy Zionists are fighting evil Hamas again, nothing to see here” -R

    Oh the media is only interested when Israel defends itself. Doesn’t shooting rockets at a nation count as war? Nah….not much interest in that. They are savage Arabs….until Israel defends itself…then they are a nation on equal moral footing with Israel.

    Gaza had one objective. Get their own people killed so that rubes like you legitimize them. Times have changed. The world has grown more moronic. You are a tiny piece in this new plague of ignorance that bad guys use to their advantage.

    Israel acted bravely, knowing people like you would be fooled. Hamas lost a bunch of its tunnels it was going to use for a massive simultaneous suicide mission on women and children.

    By the way, do you realize that Arabs and Druze living in Israel are protected by rule of law? They have rights. (And a damn good life).

    Israel is not South Africa.

    They fight the war you are in whether you realize or it not because of someone else’s “priorities” that you admit being a slave to.

  396. @ pool man to things because this is really pointless to continue with.
    The Americans got West through the exact means you rail against the zionism and Israel.
    Your religion you speak of is in fact the opium that your famed tptb use to herd you.
    Have a nice day.

  397. Yes, Tex, while those Palestinians were celebrating, some of the desperate victims were diving into streets like bags of wet cement. Esquire, I think showed pictures of a man who climbed down the side of a building before he slipped and fell. Two people held hands as they jumped. Another man glided as if he was sky diving.

    I don’t know if they are still available, but they once were. YouTube videos of trapped people sending their last messages or asking when help would arrive are also heart rending.

    Death is bad, and it takes many forms. Many of those people didn’t die cleanly, and ignorant people celebrated. I remember the sounds and smells of a man and his daughter roasted to death in a wrecked truck. I imagine the sight was repeated countless times on 9/11

    Surely many of the Arab dead were nice people. Maybe some of them were angry about terrorists attacks, but I feel no sympathy for them. They are as Tex wrote, the enemy and they died because Israel was defending itself from Arab attacks.

  398. It was you who was indoctrinated at a young age to hate whitey America like Palestinian children are to hate Jews. Momma told you that you should fear that Christian ‘theocracy’ for the rest of your days.

    You don’t know a goddam thing about what my “momma” taught me. You’re crossing a line. Save your psychoanalysis for the others here.

  399. Tex put your money where your mouth is asshole. How many Jews do you call friends down there in that Jewish paradise Oklahoma? Most of my high school friends were Jewish, something that happens when you don’t live in lynch mob territory. You bust on Graychin for not living with any blacks. How often do you break bread with Jews?

    EVERY Jew I know would consider you ignorant trash if all they had to go on were your rants here. They would NOT want to have YOU as an ally.

    I think most American Jews can have a balanced conversation about this conflict. You show more religious zealotry than the average Jew. They’d consider you a crackpot.

  400. Most of my Jewish acquaintances/family are unified in their support of the Israeli response. None are as generous to Hamas as the liberal press.

  401. You don’t know a goddam thing about what my “momma” taught me. You’re crossing a line. Save your psychoanalysis for the others here.

    Ah, world renown cracka hater. Do you remember the first time I used the word ‘Gorilla’ when a bunch of goons broke through a Walmart Store and trampled a security guard damn near to death up there on Long Island?

    They were black.

    And what was your response? Was it condemnation for acting like animals? Was it concern for the security guard?

    No. It was old Tex was a racist. 😈

    Don’t give me your imagined bullshit about lifelong Jew friendships, The most honorable Elijah Rutherford. What superficial relationships you had with Jews in high school were Libbie politic, as they were as godless and nihilistic as you. Big deal. Give me some meat, man.

    As to your question about Jews disowning me out of ignorance {snicker}? Well, I’ll tell you what Mohammad Rutherford. I’ll friend you on Facebook. And there you will find my most frequent exchanges are with a Jew from Skokie, IL named Bernstein, who I have been friends with since 2nd grade. Or would you simply to like me to link to my open invitation to Jerusalem from Menachem to stay whenever I make it there?

    Shall we place a bet who considers me ignorant trash? That’s your elitist failed Leftist politic floating around, Hawvard.

    Besides, there are not a great number of Jews in the greater Tulsa area. I’m not impressed with your high school glory days, where you sat around in circle jerks of equally lost souls and debated the merits of Jimmy Carter and Ralph Nader.

    But here’s a challenge to you. Why don’t you invite a few of those Jews over, and then you start in on your Hamas empathy and see how long they remain friends? 😛

    Come on, chief. Here’s your moment to shove it up my ass.

  402. …in that Jewish paradise Oklahoma?

    LOL! The ignorance of progressive boobs from Long Island continues to amuse me. What always amazed me about the Lefty peacocks from the east and west coasts, especially the Ivy League buffoons, were how utterly ignorant of the world they really were.

    Hey Rutherford, look up these names and see where they consider paradise.

    George Kaiser
    Lynn Schusterman
    Henry Zarrow

    😛

  403. Here is another one.Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys was a band in Texas. Kinky even ran for governor. The Glazier Brothers a country music band from Nebraska persuaded Kinky to form a band.

  404. Kinky is a classic. LOL!! Who wouldn’t like to hear a round of “I’m Proud to be Asshole from El Paso!”

    I dedicate this song to The Honorable Elijah Rutherford and the Tool™man!!! Which one are you out there, Tool^trade; in Tuscon?

  405. None are as generous to Hamas as the liberal press.

    This is the disconnect for me. Who is being generous to Hamas? Hamas, in the jargon of the Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate group. They want the total elimination of Israel. The question at hand is should Israel eliminate the threat by any means necessary?

    Why is it that when Malcolm X says it, you all scream thug but when Bibi Netanyahu says it, everything is hunky dory?

  406. Tigre I’ve been too wrapped up in the Middle East argument to do much on black wealth. I thought a simple Google search would yield a quick answer but it needed further digging.

    Thanks for the prod. Hell I STILL haven’t finished reading a primer article in this Mideast fiasco. I’m way too distracted and diffused.

  407. All is a big word.I didn’t scream about Malcolm X. He was advocating something similar to what WEB Debois envisioned, but with violence. His view was that blacks needed to be responsible for their own welfare and defense. I also believed if anyone like him physically attacked our society, we had the right to respond in kind, and we would win. Bibi is similar.

    A writer stated that Bibi know this is merely one phase of a long war.

    I googled examples of pro hamas bias in the press and found examples. According to one article, the balance has shifted slightly closer to Israel in the past few days. Newsbusters has some examples of pro Hamas bias.

    That is one question of yours I have answered. Look and see for yourself.

  408. then you start in on your Hamas empathy

    I don’t know why I let you get me angry … you can be such an ass. As long as you think every Palestinian is a Hamas sympathizer, there’s no use talking to you.

    But I DO find this funny. Maybe you’ve been around disabled people or maybe it’s your med school background but I think you’ve got me sized up pretty well when it comes to my disability. I don’t think it phases you in the least. Racially you are SO far off the mark.

    Now Rabbit … he’s the opposite. Finds disability totally disconcerting. Thinks I roll around in a wheelchair with constant drool. BUT racially Rabbit (and to some extent Tigre) has me dead to rights.

    I’d be lost in the hood. I’ve never had many black friends. I don’t have much exposure to so-called black culture. In fact I was raised by two parents who found much of the culture embarrassing. I even got questioned by blacks at Harvard as to why I wasn’t hanging with the “network”.

    Anyway I just think it’s amusing how your racial perception of me can be soooo far off reality.

  409. I like it, Huck. I’m glad you are still around.

    I guessed it about you, Rutherford. Its embarrassing, but I am officially disabled–a bad hand and jaw made me a disabled veteran. It makes me feel like a fake. You are the real thing.

    Ironically, I am so Scandinavian-British white a picture of the sun will give me a tan. Yet, for two years in the Air Force, I might as well have been black. Five black men and I hung around, and they educated me well about their lives. They tested me, and I passed when two of them pressed me and I counter attacked without a racial slur.

    A Black Muslim and I were also friends. We argued about race and music. I never condescended to him as some whites did to be politically correct. One day he told me I was the only white man he trusted.

    I trained a group of gray ladies, and we hung around so often after duty that they almost considered me to be one of them. They talked about subjects which made me want to be miles away, but I nodded and smiled as if I heard that stuff every day,

    I’m not bragging, I am puzzled. Something is wrong, seriously wrong with the world for people to react that way to me.

  410. Hamas is not “the elected government of Gaza”. They violently took control of Gaza in the civil war that came following the 2006 Palestinian elections. An election that was almost a decade ago, in which 56% of all Palestinians voted in favor of someone other than Hamas. Hamas maintains control of Gaza with violence and intimidation. Even in this most recent conflict, they were executing Palestinians as Israeli collaborators just because they were protesting against Hamas.

    People need to think about these things when they talk out if their ass about what Palestinians deserve for their vote and what they should do about Hamas.

    And I’m out…..

  411. Anyway I just think it’s amusing how your racial perception of me can be soooo far off reality.

    A civilized whitey hater. 🙂 I have you pegged a lot better than you think I’ve got you pegged. I read your book. Remember? I may say a few things to simply pull your chain, but don’t give me this horseshit you’re not racialized to the fullest.

    Toure’, Michael Eric Dyson, Melissa Harris – all empty headed, superficial fools with a gift of gab to a weak minded audience.

  412. Oh yes, the credibility of the U.N. lackey, thinking the U.N. a fair mediator in world affairs and wanting to make a career of it. :twitter: They need to think about that when they talk out the ass, though they don’t strike me nearly bright enough to distinguish from democracy vis-a-vis terrorist.

    Hitler was never elected with more than a 1/3 of the vote. When Eisenhower considered terms of surrender, he didn’t discriminate between the murderers, the cowards, and the disconnected. The entire nation was guilty.

    But then, America was a whole lot smarter then…

    Anti-Zionist is anti-Jew; a distinction without difference – fully accepted in more politically correct circles, while sounding reasonable to weak minded people.

  413. Huck by every credible measure Hamas was the majority party and there actions afterwards were as much connected to international opinion as it was Hamas being the assholes they are.

  414. …consider how Jewish influence-peddlers (Adelson, Zuckerberg, Soros, and virtually all of America’s leading Jewish liberals) are welcoming still the boatloads of ‘poor and needy’ non-white immigrants into America. This is sabotage. Meanwhile, these same do-gooders manage to tolerate the ethnic-cleansing of ‘poor and needy’ indigenous Arabs in and around Israel. Anti-Semitic theory downplays or ignores this glaring inconsistency. But we evil ‘anti-Semites’ don’t. So who’s being honest here?

    When non-Jews become fed up with the often-destructive machinations of organized Jewry, protests and even violence can ensue. Jewish experts however routinely classify these rebellions as ‘outbreaks of anti-Semitism’. This is a self-serving crock, though it often succeeds in quieting dissent. Are we to believe that only Jews are victims or heroes in this back-and-forth drama? If you believe that, you’ve been watching too much television.

    Indeed, Jews are not inherently (or historically) a particularly righteous, or virtuous, or benevolent people. If they were, they’d be far more popular. Jews are a tribal, ambitious and ethnocentric people. It’s therefore the job of us (non-Jewish) outsiders to level the political playing field. Step one: take back control of the English language by dumping the tribe-friendly term ‘anti-Semitic’. Call anti-Semitism what it really is: a widespread and understandable aversion to what Jews do. That’s one working definition anyway. Like it?

    I hope that someday we can honestly make peace with organized Jewry. But they must first reform their ways. In the meantime, why not examine the phenomena of ‘Jewish supremacism’?–and then keep on examining it. Let’s put the heat where it belongs.

    In the real world, there is now some necessity­ and even virtue ­in the complex phenomena commonly derided as ‘anti-Semitism’. After all, it takes courage and stamina to speak out against the genuine misdeeds of organized global Jewry. It can be a perilous venture. Let’s begin our journey together by collectively rejecting the insidious term ‘anti-Semitism’.

    http://www.sott.net/article/283226-The-virtue-necessity-of-deconstructing-anti-semitism

  415. Ohhhh my “book”. Can’t seem to get the privacy setting right on that damn thing. 😛

    Yes Tex I’m sure all the pictures of my wife prove how much I despise whitey. Show some restraint and don’t use that as an opening to say something nasty about my wife.

  416. Yes Tex I’m sure all the pictures of my wife prove how much I despise whitey.

    Two words. Nicole Simpson.

    Show some restraint and don’t use that as an opening to say something nasty about my wife.

    LOL! Say something nasty? She may be the most saintly lib I ever read about.

  417. Oh, and the book wasn’t worth the royalty. It was worth one very boring Saturday night spin…

    LOL Reminds me of when you guys mock Fakename’s PERSONAL blog. I’ll take a hit for writing a boring blog post. But my Facebook page? That’s my life and my life is boring. Anyone looking there for dirt or intrigue deserves what they get.

  418. “Huck by every credible measure Hamas was the majority party”

    Except the measure of popular vote. More people voted for someone other than Hamas. That’s an undeniable fact and speaks specifically to the point that I made.

    Tex, you’re the dumbass that is spouting off about Hamas being “the elected government of Gaza”. You clearly don’t know what the fuck you are talking about on this topic, which makes your #214 so, so, so hilarious….

    Have fun with the black-calling pots, Rutherford. I’m out….

  419. Rutherford, did you write an actual book? Tell me about yours, and I will tell you about mine. Was it fiction?

    Boring is nice after awhile,

  420. Thanks Rutherford.

    Our organizations wrote and edited four books over the years. They were local histories. i co- edited two and edited three. I wrote a large part of the main text. We converted our oral history project recorded on tape in 1996 onto paper. I copied interviews on paper as I listened to the taped interviews. My wife then typed my hand writing onto computer.

    We distributed copies to county libraries and schools.My wife and I copy writed the oral history to maintain control.

    Stories range from life in sod houses to mid- nineties Apple computers in schools.

    I believe you now have an Obama Care policy. You might want to check the policies now available. If you bought a cheap one, other newer, cheaper policies may be available, and you could find yourself paying more than expected. KFAB Omaha is about to discuss the problem. Some people won’t realize their premiums have increased until the IRS bills them,.

  421. Tex, you’re the dumbass that is spouting off about Hamas being “the elected government of Gaza”. You clearly don’t know what the fuck you are talking about on this topic, which makes your #214 so, so, so hilarious….

    So, so, so hilarious….Have you joined a sorority recently? That sounded So, so, so much like some Starbuck conversation with your 18 year old classmates.

    Well, if you’re going to criticize and have any credibility yourself, then you’re going to have to provide something besides your own worthless opinions of what is wrong with the post. Because clearly Hamas is considered the authoritative party of Gaza. Or have I misinterpreted that too and the Jews went over to bomb all the children and the peacemakers?

    Would you like to refute the analogy I just made of Nazi Germany, Buffy Huck?

    Huckhead, not only do I think you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to Hamas, Palestine, and Israel, I don’t think you know what you’re talking about concerning any subject of importance.

    P.S. – You’re out, and yet you referred to a post almost 400 comments back. Apparently, you’re not out. Apparently, you have to work up the nerve over a period of days to come back. And don’t give me your crap about how busy you are. LOL

  422. What do you think of the foreign singers I posted, Rutherford?

    I mainly put them there for you. Those singers are just three examples of the impact mostly English speaking peoples made on the world’s culture and economy. They could easily pass for American.

    In their way, they support our claim that America is an exceptional nation,

  423. Huck went to an Arab wedding. Lawrence of Arabia is so invested in the exotic Orient because he liked the meat shwarma his unhealthy heart will explode if he engages here.

    So….I will be Huck’s proxy.

    Huck thinks the people dont back Hamas. Which might be true because they are assholes to their own people. What Huck fails to admit to himself is that the majority of Gazans back the total annihilation of Israel. Antisemitism is like cat nip for the Arab street.

    It makes them vote for Hamas. Allows them to get played by tyrants. Even secular and friend of Israel, Mubarek, would use the cat nip as a sedative.

    Huck sets his expectations for Arabs so low it verges on soft bigotry. They get an insane free pass because they are angry Arabs who lose wars they start.

    College campus “Orientalists” like Hucking get played much like the Arba street.

  424. College campus “Orientalists” like Hucking get played much like the Arba street.

    Bingo, Mr. Rabbit. What makes my war with Huck so strange, is this is not your typical Leftist, young mind full of mush. This is a man that realized early on Barack Obama was a sham.

    I guess Huck failed to recognize the campuses of America today are pure indoctrination. You would have thought a seasoned man wouldn’t have bought the bullshit, and in fact become almost militant against these Ministers of Culture like me.

    But I can make one simple example that should explain how utterly vacuous the opinions of people like Rutherford and Huck truly are. We all know why Poolman the contrarian is so screwed up, so that needs no explanation.

    We’ve got a democracy vs. a people that cheered when two towers collapsed. And that is not even debatable, unless you’re a conspiracy theorist like the Poolman and believe the Mossad was posing Palis for the camera – and they did a damn good job of makeup of someone posing as Yasser Arafat.

  425. http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html?chocaid=397

    Excerpt:

    Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas

    But even if the links have become distant from each other, and even if the obstacles erected by those who revolve in the Zionist orbit, aiming at obstructing the road before the Jihad fighters, have rendered the pursuance of Jihad impossible; nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

  426. James I should amend my publication CV here.

    I did get an article published in an obscure online magazine and I am the co-author of an approved US patent (patent owned by IBM — I have no legal rights to it even though I’m listed among the “inventors”). I tell my family I’ve achieved immortality for at least as long as there’s a functioning US Patent office.

  427. Tex let me just say that Ron Paul was into something that still evades you. The Pali’s etal don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our meddling. Did 3000 Americans deserve to die? Hell no. But to some extent we reaped what we sowed.

  428. Rutherford, not everyone can own a patent, and you can tell your grand kids you are a writer.

    You are right on one level. We all face unintended consequences, even when our meddling is necessary for our survival. In that sense the Palestinians also reaped what they sowed.

    The Muslims have been trying to subdue us for over a thousand years, not so much because we are free but because we are infidels. Our pollution of the world’s culture as illustrated by the three videos I posted is offensive to them.

    Human existence has been a struggle for dominance and resources since the beginning. Nothing has changed except our technology.

  429. The Pali’s etal don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us for our meddling.

    Meddling like providing foreign aid, directly and through our 22% of funding of the U.N.?

    They hate us because we provide military aid to Israel. They hate us because we don’t submit to Sharia. They hate us because we’re predominately Christian, Jewish, or secular.

    Did 3000 Americans deserve to die? Hell no. But to some extent we reaped what we sowed.

    Did you get that boys and girls? Rutherford is in agreement with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The chickens came home to roost…

  430. Wright was quoting Ambassador Peck from an interview on Fox news with that statement from that sermon, but I guess that doesn’t make your point so you honestly don’t care. I know, I know. Whatever justifies your pov.

    I actually have listened to the whole sermon, not just the sound bites. It rings true. It’s too bad bo bo distanced himself. I lost a little respect for him when he did that. That might have been the beginning of my turning away.

  431. Here’s my clear point of view, Tool.

    You’re an ingrate. A bum and failure that has lived off the very state that provides you and your family sustenance on another man’s expense because you two couldn’t feed the kids or yourselves. A grifter and a drifter.

    You hate everything because your life is so screwed.

    That’s why you’ve hung around churches your entire adult life – so you can live out of the pantry. I’ve met scumbags like you before – low rate thieves, quoting scripture to play on the sympathies. You’re not even good at it.

    You’ll attend church services to eat half the donuts. Every church has got a few. It doesn’t take a psychiatrist to figure out what’s wrong with you.

  432. “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America’. No No No , God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme”

    “We nuked Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”

    “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because fo stuff done overseas is now brought right back to our own front door.”

    We have made mistakes as have other countries , but we have more to proud of than for shame.

    Rev Wright is part of an anti- American faction who like Obama hates the nation our ancestors built. Obama’s ditching Wright when things got tough is part of the president’s modus operandi Wright, at least has a redeeming quality. He served the Us in the military. Obama has none.

    Obama is a weakling and coward. He has taken credit for others’ work and portrays himself as a victim , an observer of his own misdeeds..

  433. Very well said, Mr. James. And thank you for providing that.

    Because see, you and I just “misinterpreted” what the irreverent Jeremiah Wright said.

    Poolman is just like Wright, minus the staccato delivery and big house in the executive neighborhood that that Wright’s poor congregation paid for because they are barnyard dupes, too ignorant to know when they’re being stolen from and too busy hatin’ whitey to care.

    And you’ll note, the more one hates America, the more the resident grifter admires them.

    And I have no doubt our Founders would have hanged them both.

    Because they deserved to be hanged.

  434. Here’s my clear point of view, Tool.

    You’re an ingrate. A bum and failure …

    I say this not in defense of Pools but because Tex I have a modicum of respect for you as an intelligent man.

    Your latest rant at Poolman demonstrates such intellectual laziness on your part. You didn’t address Pools comment on Wright. You didn’t address ANYTHING. You just hurled insults based on conjecture.

    Honestly man I’m not saying this to be nasty. Poolman has a job and you do not. We disagree on many things but perhaps most of all on restraint. You have the inhibitions of a five year old.

    And unless you’ve really got a stone for a heart, these ad hominems, going on for years now, must take a physical toll on you. Aren’t you about worn out by now?

  435. What’s this, “I’m out…” crap?

    I don’t remember if it was a majority, or a plurality, but Hamas received more votes than Fatah in Gaza in 2006. The argument stands that they were, “protest” votes against Fatah corruption, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hamas got the most votes.

    Hamas has not allowed a second election to occur in Gaza, obviously to prevent the loss of their “elected” authority. Regardless, Fatah recognizes and works with Hamas in their unity government, which is yet another example of Palestinians supporting Hamas. How many examples do you need?

    Everyone pissed off about destroyed UN facilities should look at Hamas storing and firing rockets out of said facilities BEFORE getting angry at the people trying to defend themselves against said rockets fired from said facilities. At the front of that line SHOULD be the UN, but to see the UN bitch about Israel and not even mention Hamas says most of what you need to know about the UN and its biases…

  436. James @ 578, that’s the triple truth, Ruth.

    R @582, it was Obama’s embrace of Wright that was the sign of a flaw in Obama’s character. His abandonment was just MORE evidence of his nature. Evidence that you ignore (and I assume defended in 2008).

  437. G, good to see you back. We needed you for your reworked lyrics to popular tunes portion of this post. 😆

    Huck is in his Palestinian meltdown mode again. It’s gone down like the video of the terrorists blowing themselves up that didn’t cause us all to well up with tears for their loss.

    I like Huck enough and think he has plenty to offer. The topic of Islamists and the middle east is to Huck like Palin is to Rutherford. Like the spinning of an out-of-balance top.

  438. Tigre I’m not sure I’m addressing your point (LOL I’m NEVER sure I’m addressing your point) but even back in 2008 I was not happy with the way BO threw Wright under the bus.

    Then again the entire “relationship” was fraudulent. Obama was in that church for purely political reasons. I strongly suspect Obama is our first atheist President.

  439. Obama may be an atheist, but his affiliation Wright and his congregation goes way beyond anything having to do with religion. It is a racial programming center.

  440. R, serious question. Since you haven’t had any real luck finding the income disparity figures, can you identify any liberal enclaves, urban or rural, that you would hold at as a success story for the liberal social agendas your support?

    Again, serious question. What would you point to?

  441. R, you’d do better at addressing my points if you’d stop oversimplifying them to fit the shallow liberal talking points and feel food demagogy you consume. For reals, Yo.

  442. 582 Yes, Rutherford, it is nice when we three agree.

    Obama may also be like some northern Europeans or Africans who were forceably Christianized. They went to church, but they held onto the old religion. In Obama’s case, it was Islam.

    Thanks Tex and El Tigre.

  443. Honestly man I’m not saying this to be nasty. Poolman has a job and you do not. We disagree on many things but perhaps most of all on restraint. You have the inhibitions of a five year old.

    I honestly am not saying this to be nasty.

    I’ve never taken food stamps, I’ve never take unemployment, I’ve never taken welfare, I never had to sell a house that I couldn’t afford and in fact, mine has been paid for years and was paid for by me. I’ve never gotten inheritance, and I didn’t depend on my daddy for my retirement, which has never been touched.

    When I become dependent upon any of these things, you have every right to be a critic. Until then, you’re barking up the wrong tree, Bingo. Whatever inhibitions I lack, apparently I do have the inhibitions to NOT live beyond my means, and have inhibited the ability to control conspicuous consumption, never advertising my small manhood on the worth of a car insignia.

    Now, I am not working officially because I can. I have never even bothered to look.

    I’m sorry that doesn’t make sense to you. Today, I drove 400 miles to take care of MY REMAINING PARENT, something most children don’t do, because I can on the anniversary of my father’s death.

    I’ll say this once again. Jeremiah Wright is a corrupt Pharisee, a fraud who steals from the poor and lives large on the ignoramuses back in the very white community he demonizes making Wright not only a liar and charlatan, but a world class hypocrite. Wright is clearly a black racist preaching a message of racist theology, an American hating prick, a coward, and the world and America will be better when Rev. Jeremiah Wright is DEAD as a DOORKNOB.

    Poolman is a BUM AND AN INGRATE, a buffoon who attends church to live from the pantry. I am the one who helped fill that pantry.

    I hope this was inhibited enough for you.

  444. And just because I want to be number 600….
    1. The Peck /Wright “controversy” cracks me up.
    2. BLT Black Liberation Theology as opposed to the awesome sandwich of the same name is not without having merit for looking deeper into it and grasping some truths.
    3. Obama had zero choice but to toss the Rev. under the wheels for a couple of reasons,not the least being that the electorate was incapable of even attempting to discern the facts of the case.
    4. Something that touches on the conversation ET is trying to have with R. I’ve seen a few articles across the spectrum that has looked at a) the downfall of the “blue state” model. b) gentrification has a definable wall where X% of blacks = gentrification is not attempted. c) interesting tie bit that no matter if the places trend RED or BLUE suburbs are surpassing the cities as far as inequality and poverty growth goes.

  445. @ Rutherford from a Human Rights Watch report from 6/2007

    In internal Palestinian fighting over the last three days, both Fatah and Hamas military forces have summarily executed captives, killed people not involved in hostilities, and engaged in gun battles with one another inside and near Palestinian hospitals. On Saturday, armed Palestinians from Islamic Jihad and the Fatah-affiliated Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade used a vehicle with a “TV” insignia to attack an Israeli military position on the border with Gaza.

    “These attacks by both Hamas and Fatah constitute brutal assaults on the most fundamental humanitarian principles,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director for Human Rights Watch. “The murder of civilians not engaged in hostilities and the willful killing of captives are war crimes, pure and simple.”

    On Sunday, Hamas military forces captured 28-year-old Muhammad Swairki, a cook for President Mahmoud Abbas’s presidential guard, and executed him by throwing him to his death, with his hands and legs tied, from a 15-story apartment building in Gaza City. Later that night, Fatah military forces shot and captured Muhammad al-Ra’fati, a Hamas supporter and mosque preacher, and threw him from a Gaza City high-rise apartment building. On Monday, Hamas military forces attacked the home in Beit Lahiya of Jamal Abu al-Jadiyan, a senior Fatah official, captured him, and executed him on the street with multiple gunshots. On Tuesday, there were reports of additional killings of individuals not involved in hostilities.

  446. I agree with alfie about black liberation theology, but this is Obama. He will discard anyone, even his own grandmother if he/she proves politically embarrassing. His advisers were concerned before Wright became public. If it had been I, I would have defended a man who had allegedly been so spiritually important to me for a generation. I would also have lost the election.

  447. I didn’t save the link, but it is probably lurking in Google.Soldiers found a battle manual which advised Hamas fighters that dead civilians work to their advantage.

    Nobody has won yet in Operation Protective Edge , because the game is not over. Israel is ahead, but the audience sympathizes with Hamas. Hamas spent considerable effort and money on its network of tunnels, and most if not all are gone.

  448. Seriously felt like punching the TV watching Obama’s pathetic speech on why he NOW is going to intervene in Iraq. Children are being beheaded….entire communities erased…Christians slaughtered…..like everyone knew they would……and Obama waits until after the fact for limited air strikes. Unless we are going to annihilate ISIS…..it’s too late Obama.

  449. Textbook Obama impotence, Rabbit. The speech was more about what Obama was not going to do than what Obama proposed to do.

    The one aspect of Obama that has surprised me from 2008. Obama is a rank coward.

    40,000 stuck on a mountain top because of Obama’s abject stupidity and dereliction of duty, and we’re going to drop water and food to the displaced, if they can get to it before ISIS does. Obama should have been merciful and dropped hemlock with last rites instead. This postpones for a day, maybe a week, the inevitable.

    But to men like Rutherford, that is success. As long as there is no American boots on the ground, everything is cool.

  450. As we conclude our sixth recover summer, Biden style, boom times have arrived baby! Courtesy of Glenn Reynolds commentary:

    Only 48 percent said that they could easily handle an emergency expense of $400 without running a balance on their credit card. Almost a fifth said they simply could not come up with the funds, and a similar share said they would have to take on credit card debt. Others said they would either have to sell something (9 percent), ask a family member or friend for help (12 percent), or turn to a payday lender (4 percent) to come up with the money.

    The survey also captured some of the fallout from the 2008 financial crisis. Thirty-five percent of Americans still felt they were doing worse in late 2013, when the survey was conducted, than they were in 2008. One in five Americans postponed a major life decision because of the crisis. The biggest delayed decision was buying a house, which it appears almost one in 10 people did. Smaller percentages also delayed moving, getting married and having kids.

    The Fed report also uncovered significant differences in perceptions about finances and credit by race and ethnicity. While nearly 60 percent of whites are confident they could qualify for a home loan today, only about 40 percent of blacks and Hispanics felt the same way. The disparities were even worse for other kinds of loans.

  451. Rabbit, don’t you think that Rutherford, Tool™man, and Huckhead would be assisting toward the help of ISIS if they’re going to be consistent?

    After all, ISIS are Sunni extremists dedicated to killing all infidels, just like Hamas.

  452. Why would Obama clinging to his affiliation with Wright have signaled something better to you?

    Because I find loyalty admirable and because it would have reinforced his “race speech”, the central premise of which was that race is complicated and we should strive to understand what influences men like Wright to talk the way they do.

  453. I agree, Rutherford

    Our re- engaging with Iraq was predictable. I think some of us made the prediction on this blog. By his own account, Obama said our departing troops were leaving a functioning independent country. He like many Democrats felt little regard for our troops and the war’s outcome except for their political effect.I have mentioned the Slow Bleed, a Democratic strategy to maintain the status quo to win an election.

    Obama took our troops out when history showed that was a bad decision. Those of us who know a little history can once again say “WETOLD YOU SO!!” “Mission Acomplished!”

  454. “Because I find loyalty admirable and because it would have reinforced his “race speech”, the central premise of which was that race is complicated and we should strive to understand what influences men like Wright to talk the way they do.”

    Wow. That’s mighty messed up. I am at a total loss on this.

  455. Because I find loyalty admirable and because it would have reinforced his “race speech”, the central premise of which was that race is complicated and we should strive to understand what influences men like Wright to talk the way they do.

    Some perspective…

    [R]ace is complicated and we should strive to understand what influences men like Wright Hitler [or] David Duke to talk the way they do.

    Loyalty. I’m not sure how much you know about loyalty, but you’ve got this fealty thing down pat…

  456. Rutherford I am a little conflicted on your comments regards Rev Wright & Obama.
    On one hand you have stated before and repeated in this thread your belief that the Obamas aligned with TUCC for political reasons.
    You’ve also made comments about loyalty and how Obama soiled that notion with his denouncing of Wright.
    Now perhaps you are more conflicted than I am but I wonder what you really really think about the topic.
    Was Obama a complete user of TUCC for constituent contact?
    Was Obama actually moved,as indicated by his own writings,by BLT,Wright himself or just TUCC?
    Do you think Obama could’ve survived a continued allegiance with Wright?

  457. Rutherford is trying to say Obama is a fake ass sham and Rutherford wishes he wasn’t because Rutherford is a fan and on the team and stuff.

    Now the only question Rutherford has to answer (and I believe I’m putting Alfie’s words into Rabbit speak) is the following: Is Obama a Machiavellian creepy power hungry spider spinning his parasitic web of deceit or a racist asshole trying to gloss over his fucked up radical views.

    Sorry…..trick question.