Sarah Palin Still Stupid and Confusion from the Lee-ward Winds

Tonight I post this blog entry from a conservative blogger who above all else has shown a pattern of fairness in his blogging over the years. This is just one excellent example.

I would also like to add a small elaboration on Sarah Palin. Today on “Face The Nation” Norah O’Donnell asked Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey (recently reelected in a landslide) what his thoughts were on the current nuclear talks with Iran. In a moment virtually NEVER  seen on political television, Christie told O’Donnell that there were many folks better able to opine on this than he could. “I am the Governor of New Jersey”. He then refused to offer an opinion.

Now just imagine if Sarah Palin had been asked the same question. We would have gotten five minutes of word salad that would have impressed only those with the lowest of expectations.

There are times when the right answer is “I don’t know”.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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163 thoughts on “Sarah Palin Still Stupid and Confusion from the Lee-ward Winds

  1. My apologies to all for the formatting (or lack thereof) of my contribution to tonight’s post. Apparently when you use the WordPress re-blog function you lose control of formatting any comments you might add to the post.

  2. “Now just imagine if Sarah Palin Barack Obama had been asked the same question. We would have gotten five minutes of word salad that would have impressed only those with the lowest of expectations.”

    Fixed it for you.

  3. 😆 😆 😆

    (I was thinking Carney or Biden but it’s all the same)

    Glad Alfie could help you with your PDS. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  4. In Rutherfords defense and perhaps more so my own I find it disingenuous that folks so easily chalk any Palin critique up to Palin Derangement Syndrome as opposed to being based in something credible.
    If people looked into the weekend in Iowa one would see a contrast between a rhetoric mouthpiece (Palin) and someone who is potentially looking to set sail full speed ahead with solutions and a hint of actual leadership with responsibility. (Lee)
    Palin is not a politician and enjoys the ability to say whatever she desires and incite what ever mob she likes without bearing any responsibility whatsoever. That should bother the honestly civically minded and should be applied equally to both sides of the political spectrum. Lee on the other hand not only saw his popularity take a ding due to the shutdown but risked it even more by a) distancing himself from the media presentation of the Tea Party at a min. and b) positioning himself as someone on the Right stating that the Right needs to be offering solutions/alternatives consistently and not acting like frustrated,hateful punks.

    @ Huck although I think your comment about Obama offering little substance and much yammering in any answer he offers is true I think you do Rutherford a disservice in dismissing his comment. Palin would clearly ramble on and do so with the safety of not being accountable. Christie did a good thing answering the way he did in fact he could easily have beefed it up and slapped the reporter a bit.

    Take it for what it is and scorn me if you like but the Right,conservatives and TPM types have reached the limits of free passes in my book.
    You want to end ObamaCare,glad to hear it but be honest and do it the right way and by all means don’t stand at a podium lying your ass off spewing red meat rhetoric bullshit.
    You want to get some pressure cooking on the budget or foreign policy? I’m down for that but for Christs sake let it please start with “The Administration is wrong and this is what we are bringing to the table” as opposed to No No No.
    I’d also add let’s stop trying to play soundbite hardball with Obama and target the real enemies/obstacles like Sen Harry Reid and line item policies many of which were generated via the bureaucracy leviathan under George Bush.
    To misquote Home Depot commercials Less Talking More Doing

  5. I liked Chisty’s comment. Too many public figures give opinions to impress people. Sarah Palin’s comments are hypothetical Another hypothetical is that Obama would have been a worse governor. than she was.

    Happy Veterans Day!

  6. I just read the transcript of a Matt Laurer interview of Sarah Palin on the Today Show. She got the better of him. If she is so stupid, Matt must need a costodian to tie his shows and to take him home each day

  7. “I think you do Rutherford a disservice in dismissing his comment.”

    I didn’t dismiss his comment as much as I just thought mine was funnier (and more accurate).

    But the fact is, time and again Palin says things that end up being true, while Obama says things that end up being false. Now consider that 1 of those 2 people holds the most powerful position on the planet…and the other is President of the United States (c’mon laugh… that’s another joke).

    But seriously, I really don’t give 2 shits about Sarah Palin, and haven’t for about 5 years now. Frankly, I think she’s an easy target for people who don’t have much to talk about.

    The only thing that I do find irritating is when someone tosses out another “Sarah Palin said [insert something stupid here]” and then you tell them she never said that and they reply that “its still funny because I can see her saying it” and then they repeat it. Like the infamous “I can see Russia from my front porch” line that she never said. (Not saying anyone here has done that..but you all know what I’m talking about)

    “Palin would clearly ramble on and do so with the safety of not being accountable.”

    So would Obama. He has never been held accountable for anything.

    “Palin is not a politician and enjoys the ability to say whatever she desires and incite what ever mob she likes without bearing any responsibility whatsoever.”

    I’m pretty sure we call that “Freedom of speech.” Until her incitement actually breaks the law, she’s free to say whatever the hell she wants. It doesn’t bother me one bit. What would bother me is if she wasn’t able to. That’s what you aught to be worried about.

  8. Again as I said I’m done with the free passes for both sides but especially the Right.
    Freedom of speech isn’t an excuse for talking out ones ass especially when the speaker insists on being taken serious and accepts being viewed as an authority. What Palin is enjoying currently is exactly a degree of what folks rightfully held up against candidate Obama back in 07-08. Celebrity over substance. Celebrity is the disgusting new way we look for leadership in America.
    As for the Russia quote we see an example of something that all politicians should avoid. She was asked about insights on Russia. This was a well crafted question designed to continue the painting of her as unworthy of the second chair. Something I don’t remember being hammered on by the media against Obama. In any case stating Russia is our neighbors and that one can see a part of Russia from a part of Alaska is a waste of words imo.
    As for her being an easy target… well that’s her problem not mine. I want my side represented by folks with some skin in the game,stakes at the table other than financial and ego. Currently I’m holding out hopes for Cruz,Lee,Paul in the Senate and hoping Ryan and others make some choices soon in the House. Coulter,Palin,Kristol,Levin and Limbaugh can pound sand.

  9. Palin is a wedge. That is why she even has a platform. Tptb use such devises to contrive and control chaos. The others you mention have their purpose in the grand scheme as well.

  10. Thanks to all veterans, to those who have sacrificed their own self-interests to defend our Constitution against all its enemies both foreign and domestic. May God bless you, prosper you, protect and deliver you from all evil, I pray.

  11. you want to get some pressure cooking

    Pressure cookers? Do you have a license for one? Have you registered it with the local authorities so they can come visit your home and make sure that you are properly storing it?

    But seriously, I really don’t give 2 shits about Sarah Palin, and haven’t for about 5 years now. Frankly, I think she’s an easy target for people who don’t have much to talk about.

    That isn’t exactly true. The portrayal she received at the hands of the presstitute corps (no, not “corpse”, Barry, go back to eating your damn waffle) makes it easy for shallow people to practice single engagements in the “War on Women” against her, especially when they do not want anyone talking about the the clay feet and leaden lies of the Chicago Messiah, or the abject stupidity of his life insurance policy, Joe Biden.

  12. Freedom of speech isn’t an excuse for talking out ones ass especially when the speaker insists on being taken serious and accepts being viewed as an authority

    No doubt you will demand the resignations of most of the talking heads at MSNBC in order to evenly apply such a standard…as well as tweeting “Stifle it!” messages to celebutards who constantly use their celebrity to air their opinions as worthy of serious consideration as well?

    . What Palin is enjoying currently is exactly a degree of what folks rightfully held up against candidate Obama back in 07-08.

    And in ’11-’12, or when he gets caught telling whoopers that have real consequences for the stupid people he “rules”…

    Celebrity over substance. Celebrity is the disgusting new way we look for leadership in America.

    I hate to break it to you, but there’s nothing new about it. “Politics is Hollywood for ugly people” is a truism that’s been with us for a very long time.

  13. “If people looked into the weekend in Iowa …” Alphy

    Forget about Palin…….If the rabbit caring about the weekend in Iowa 3 years before the presidential election is required to be a part of the informed citizenry that a healthy democracy depends on…..I’m out.

    The modern perpetual campaign is killing me. The GOP had what…..25 debates last time?

    It all gets pretty crusty.

    Rutherford doesn’t ever write much about the tangible here and now. He isn’t alone. Being a political junkie should entail a healthy interest in actual legislation and policy where the rubber meets the road.

    It never does. The upshot is our current lie-ocracy.

    So…politics becomes sort of a pointless gossip machine….a people magazine type take on…..well….nothing.

    The media swarms over the stump but don’t give a shit when we get pumped.

  14. “I think you’ve confused cable news with Bravo’s Wives of Beverly Hills.”

    From the prior thread–exactly Tex. That is what is wrong with most cable news. It more resembles Housewives than actual news.

  15. “Freedom of speech isn’t an excuse for talking out ones ass especially when the speaker insists on being taken serious and accepts being viewed as an authority”

    The point we’ve made here time and again is that she isn’t worth taking all that seriously and she has absolutely no authority. That is exactly why I posted what I originally posted.

    The only authority Palin has is that she gets under people’s skin. People only like her because she pisses you off. If she were ignored by you and Rutherford, and those like you, she’d have been gone a long time ago. You give her all the power she has. We’ve been over that time and time and time again.

    “As for the Russia quote we see an example of something that all politicians should avoid. She was asked about insights on Russia.”

    What does it have to do with the quote I mentioned? The quote I mentioned was spoken by Tina Fey on SNL. But if you ask most people they think Palin said it. That is the point I was making. People make jokes about what Palin didn’t say and the next thing you know it is a joke about what she did say.

    “As for her being an easy target… well that’s her problem not mine.”

    Read all of what I said. It might be her problem that she’s an easy target, but it’s your problem that she is all you have to talk about. If you choose to get worked up over an insignificant pundit rather than actual elected officials, then that IS your problem. If you and Rutherford want to give her more attention than she is worth then that IS your problem.

    But when you do, expect to be called out for it. We got bigger fish to fry than what comes out of Sarah Palin’s yap.

  16. I hereby apologize to Alfie for focusing only on the Palin piece. His comments on Mike Lee bear discussion. Could it be that Lee is realizing he needs to temper the Tea Party tone a bit and distance himself from Cruz?

  17. “In Rutherfords defense and perhaps more so my own I find it disingenuous…”

    Thank you Alfie. I couldn’t have commented better. To plagiarize Joe Scarborough a bit, let’s stop amateur hour and start legislating. That goes for both sides.

  18. And Alfie, I’m only being so hard on you about Palin because you’re the one stepping into it in the comments here.

    Rutherford is the one that compared the inconsequential pundit to a sitting governor and potential presidential candidate. Again…that is why I made the original comment I made. The better comparison is Christie’s comments to Obama’s comments regarding FP. Who gives a shit what Palin has to say about it?

    And what’s funny is that Rutherford couldn’t even offer a quote from her. Which goes back to my other comment about “What Palin said” myths being created.

  19. “let’s stop amateur hour and start legislating.”

    Then why not start by ignoring the amateurs and focusing on the legislators (and executives)? Again…the heart of my original comment.

    Why you both continue to give attention to this “amateur” is beyond me.

  20. Could it be that Lee is realizing he needs to temper the Tea Party tone a bit and distance himself from Cruz?

    The combination wishcasting and lily-gilding that goes on around the idea that conservative ideals being unappealing to voters that goes on in the legacy media and Rutherford’s head never ceases to amaze me. The lesson in Virginia isn’t that conservatism and limited government is a loser, its that when the message actually gets out, it offers a real and meaningful alternative to the Tweedle Dee of the Democrats, and the Tweedle Dum of the establishment Republicans…a fact that accounts for the ambivalence of both toward those actually talking about limited government and smaller government.

    But then, a Whig was elected in Pennsylvania in the last election, so I tend to treat Rutherford’s analysis with the same regard as his prognostication, so there is that.

  21. “Another hypothetical is that Obama would have been a worse governor. than she was. ”

    Two points James. First based on his presidential record Obama could not be Christie, i.e. he could not be Governor of a state with an opposite party legislature. He doesn’t deal well with opposition.

    Second, Sarah would have failed as Governor of virtually any other state in the union. Alaska is an oddball state fit for an oddball Governor. And the ultimate fact is she failed as Alaska governor since she did not complete her term. And the reason she gave for resigning amounted to more word salad. She should have just said I can make more money as a celeb than as Governor.

  22. “”I can see Russia from my front porch” line that she never said. ”

    Well anyone who saw the Katie Couric interview knows she came damn near close to saying that. The brilliance of Tina Fey’s parody was just how much she quoted Palin verbatim. Palin DID say that she got her foreign policy chops from Russia bring adjacent to Alaska.

    One reason people like me keep slapping Palin is that others defend the indefensible instead of just admitting she is a twit who needs to just go away.

    And sorry Huck (and James) there are no death panels.

  23. Everyone here had said she is a teit snd neefs to go away. The attacks are on you for tirelessly bringing her up and trying to pretend idiots like Biden are embraced by the left ad worthy of praise.

  24. ” I’m holding out hopes for Cruz,Lee,Paul in the Senate and hoping Ryan and others make some choices soon in the House.”

    Putting aside his fondness for Wikipedia, Paul has a perspective and is probably a more capable politician than his Dad was.

    I’ve heard that Mike Lee is even too conservative for Utah but he may be seeing that following Ted may have him Cruzin for a bruisin.

    I liked Paul Ryan as a VP choice until Mitt muzzled him. I don’t like his social politics but I give him credit for being a serious legislator.

    Ted Cruz is either a bad joke or a dangerous joke. He’s fearless and is willing to put America at risk to win the argument. If only you stand to lose go ahead and be foolhardy but don’t play Russian Roulette with my country.

  25. “Being a political junkie should entail a healthy interest in actual legislation and policy where the rubber meets the road.”

    You’re right Rabbit. As much as you guys mock my old radio sidekick Sandi, I always regretted that I never had the POLICY chops that she did. She would follow legislation. I would follow people.

  26. Rutherford needs Palin to feel better about Obama. He also needs Alfie to argue against James’ stubborn and hilarious comparisons between the two.

    It’s a bonus if Ted Cruz can be dumped on while we’re at it. Rutherford is still incensed that no one here came down on Cruz for playing Russian Roulette with Rutherford’s country :lol:.

  27. “The lesson in Virginia isn’t that conservatism and limited government is a loser, its that when the message actually gets out, it offers a real and meaningful alternative to the Tweedle Dee of the Democrats, and the Tweedle Dum of the establishment Republicans…a fact that accounts for the ambivalence of both toward those actually talking about limited government and smaller ”

    You’re absolutely right that the lesson was NOT that limited govt is a loser. The lesson in VA was don’t lose a winning argument by mucking it up with a losing argument.

    The election was Cuch’s to lose. If you had any smarts BiC you’d start asking why he lost and stop making excuses.

    I’m beginning to doubt if you guys really want to win elections.

  28. “You’re absolutely right that the lesson was NOT that limited govt is a loser. The lesson in VA was don’t lose a winning argument by mucking it up with a losing argument.

    The election was Cuch’s to lose. If you had any smarts BiC you’d start asking why he lost and stop making excuses.”

    What’s the winning argument that was mucked up with a losing argument?

    Did you ignore the stunning demographics?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/06/how-high-african-american-turnout-gave-terry-mcauliffe-his-win-in-virginia.html

    “If Republicans can’t count on fewer black voters at the polls, then their push for the presidency becomes much more difficult. With that said, it also provides an opportunity for any Republican who understand that just a small gain with African Americans is enough to damage Democratic chances. And so far, the only lawmaker working that angle is the other person to win a gubernatorial election last night—Chris Christie.”

  29. The election was Cuch’s to lose. If you had any smarts BiC you’d start asking why he lost and stop making excuses.

    Honestly, do you have to try to say stuff that retarded, or do you come by it naturally?

    Cuccinelli was well behind in the months leading up to the election, and dramatically closed that gap in the last two weeks with considerably less spending and no help from the GOP in campaigning.

  30. I disagree with Huck @ 6. Obama is inexperienced and unschooled, not only in how the world really works, but in the world history that could provide that understanding for him – but he is NOT stupid, and he is an excellent orator. Make no mistake, it is that second ability that got a complete tyro elected President of US, regardless of whether he is black, mulatto or green cheese.

    OTOH, Every time I see Sarah Palin speak, I think of two things: those people who can tie cherry stems into a knot with their tongues (as she does same with English), and that there are no minimum number of brain cells necessary to sustain life.

  31. Huck @ 21: “We got bigger fish to fry than what comes out of Sarah Palin’s yap.”

    You surely do. Let’s hope somebody in a position of authority in US sees that to be true.

  32. Parker, I saw that news about the atheist push into an organized religion. Do you think it for tax exempt status, or merely power in numbers? It did make me chuckle and brought the following scripture to mind…

    “But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power ; Avoid such men as these.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

  33. “…she came damn near close to saying that.”

    Yeah, that’s always how the jokes start. “Did you hear what Sarah Palin came damn near close to saying?”

    Wait….that isn’t how they start, at all. Which makes it meaningless to my point. Try again.

    “And sorry Huck (and James) there are no death panels.”

    It’s amazing to watch Rutherford squirm and flip-flop over this. When Palin says it, then it’s a lie. When someone else shows that there are indeed bodies that will be deciding who does and doesn’t get specific kinds of health care, then its “well insurance companies do the same thing now.”

    “…don’t play Russian Roulette with my country.”

    Is this supposed to be some kind of joke?

    The guy who put a gun to our head TWICE by pulling for Obama both times is now going to spout off about playing Russian Roulette with his country?

    The only question about the Obama presidency is how deep the bullet goes into our collective brain.

  34. It’s also hilarious that on a week where Obama refuses to apologize for his lie–opting instead to apologize for people losing their insurance plans–which is basically saying it is the fault of insurance companies–we don’t get a post about yet another untruth by the Liar-in-Chief. Nope…we hear about how st-st-stupid the meaningless Sarah Palin is.

    “…but he is NOT stupid, and he is an excellent orator.”

    There are corpsemen standing behind red lines in 57 states who disagree.

  35. Incumbent Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) is near the top of national Republicans’ target list for 2014 — and a new poll shows her lead over her potential GOP challengers has all but evaporated.

    Against state House Speaker Thom Tillis, Hagan leads by only 2 points, 44 percent to 42 percent, according to the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling. She leads Rev. Mark Harris by 2 points as well, 43 percent to 41 percent, and nurse Heather Grant by 3 points, 43 percent to 40 percent.

    Hagan trails physician Greg Brannon, the Rand Paul-endorsed candidate in the race, by 1 point: he leads 44 percent to 43 percent.

    That’s a huge difference from PPP’s September poll, which gave Hagan leads of anywhere from 12 to 17 points against all possible GOP challengers.

  36. @huck I think you misunderstand me and my viewpoint. I am actually firmly In the camp wondering why folks are listening to Palin.This was why my post compared the two speakers. Hell I only read about the Iowa event I didn’t attend or organize it.

  37. Rutherford, Howard Baker and Paul Krugman admitted that the law contains death panels. Ezekial Imanuel Rahm’s brother advised the administration when the bill was composed. He said that it is not unfair to deprive old people the care reserved for the young because the old were once young and eligible for better care at that time.

    When you wrote Obama couldn’t be Christy and work with the opposition party, you helped support my point. Palin showed she could work with the other party. Therefore, in lets pretend, she might have been a better governor than Obama.

    Sarah Palin resigned in the face of a concerted effort to destroy her. An Anchorage newspaper reported that all or most of the over 22 charges were found baseless.Most ended after she resigned. She was afraid the law suits and complaints would impoverish her family in a sea of legal fees. And she learned being a gadfly talk show host and speaker paid more than a governor’s salary.

    I can think of a few states where Palin would have been successful, and Obama too for that matter.

    The continued preoccupation with Sarah Palin is interesting. ,Even after her current political viability was virtually destroyed, liberals whisper stories about the vampire for fear someone will remove the stake from her heart.

    Obama is not an excellent orator. His teleprompter is.

  38. Tea Party-like organizations are getting stronger in Europe. One of their main goals is to curb immigration and to strengthen local governments. Most do support the welfare state.

    I don’t know if Sami singer Sofia Jannok is channeling Rush or thought of it herself. She calls the Swedish government “The Regime.”

    If trends continue here, Rush might someday use another of Jannok’s terms–“The Occupying Regime,”.

  39. I meant Howard Dean, not Howard Baker.

    We had fun on Veteran’s Day. Two neighbors called to tell me it was snowing heavily at home. I drove home and cross country skied a half mile on marginal snow cover and returned to Omaha to eat out with the family.

  40. No. it decides which medicare patients get what, if any, medical treatment. The board is not elected and not made up of any medical professionals. Probably made up of a bunch of party loyal bean counters. Obama has said he’s really good at killing people. Maybe he wants to be the decider on this ‘death’ panel. After all, what’s a peace prize winning president to do with all his down time?

  41. Congressman Phil Roe, a medical doctor said that the board’s cost cutting mandate will bring a reduction of care through rationing. Ergo Death Panel.

  42. “Cuccinelli was well behind in the months leading up to the election, and dramatically closed that gap in the last two weeks with considerably less spending and no help from the GOP in campaigning.”

    No. BiC retarded I’m not. Cuccinelli was being killed in the polls because he was a sexually obsessed social ideologue which was my point exactly. The race tightened in large degree due to the failed rollout of Obamacare.

    Let me repeat. Virginia traditionally gives the Governorship to the opposite party of the POTUS. VA is at least 50% conservative (primarily the southern part). This was Cuccinelli’s to lose. Had he stuck to economy and stayed out of women’s vaginas he would have won. Period.

  43. “When it decides what treatment is too expensive, or that someone isn’t in the right category to receive the prescribed treatment, that is EXACTLY what it does.”

    He knows that. He’s just pretending to be more stupid than he claims Sarah Palin is.

  44. “Sarah Palin resigned in the face of a concerted effort to destroy her.”

    Oh my heart is bleeding. James, stop it. Sarah did not face unprecedented pressure to resign. In fact the proof of that came in the WTF look on the face of everyone in the media when she did it.

    She did it for one reason only. The VP attempt got her a taste of fame she never had before and there was no way in hell she was sticking around buttfuck Alaska when there were so many other lucrative options.

    If she ever has another baby she should forget all the oddball names (Trig, Tag, Puck, Branch) and name the kid Steve Schmidt cos goddam she owes him big time for pulling her dumb ass out of obscurity.

  45. To James and Huck, it’s real simple. If you don’t call the current insurance companies death panels then you can’t call the advisory board under ACA a death panel either.

    Someone who just got denied insurance because of a preexisting condition has been given a death sentence. There’s no where to go but up from there.

  46. “To James and Huck, it’s real simple. If you don’t call the current insurance companies death panels then you can’t call the advisory board under ACA a death panel either.”

    And there’s that squirming I was talking about….

  47. Private insurance companies first line of defense is denial of claim. That is how they retain their profits. With private insurance, you can drop them and purchase from a more reputable firm, one you feel will be more lenient or compassionate. Until you use them, you don’t really know how any claims will be handled. That is why the sales representatives and the claims representatives are totally separate departments/personalities. It is the nature of the insurance business. And, be sure to keep in mind these are all well paid middlemen, health care brokers, if you will. They can’t sympathize with your pain or need, their job conflicts with that compassion.

    It will benefit these private companies to get their people on that advisory board, since it will determine whether or not a claim is valid and paid.

    The difference with the government’s panel is that the buck stops there. A no from them offers zero recourse. So yes, it is more accurately a death panel. And who are these folks accountable to? The drone king?

    That is the big issue with these private/public hybrids. I so hope everyone is enjoying our quick descent into fascism.

  48. Good old Rutherford. His liberal Rome is burning and he’s playing the same boring ass Palin ditty on the fiddle.

    And here I thought we would get a Dems are going the way of the Whigs blog entry….

  49. IPAB only applies to Medicare. Its danger lies in its only recourse being cutting payments to providers which in turn impacts access. Its power is in many peoples eyes unconstitutional. It only acts when Medicare growth outpaces that of two market matrix. Some of it most vocal opponents are folks like the AMA (American Medical Assoc.) and AAMC (American Academy of Medical Colleges) who have supported other portions of the PPACA but cringe at the thought of that which may impede their milking of the elderly health care system.
    FWIW right idea wrong solution in my opinion but not fairly portrayed as “death panels”. Spending is a huge issue and the value we as Americans get from our spending isn’t there,even if you buy into the pricelessness of human beings stuff.
    If we as a nation actually do gut ACA we damn well better go after things like SCHIP and Medicare immediately afterwards.

  50. Good old Rutherford. His liberal Rome is burning and he’s playing the same boring ass Palin ditty on the fiddle.

    Could not have said it better, Rabbit.

    Rutherford’s philosophy sinks further into the abyss of dismal failure.

  51. Rutherford: “Had he stuck to economy and stayed out of women’s vaginas he would have won. Period.”

    A loss, by the way, predicted on these very pages by you more than a month before the election.

    You are somewhat wasting your time, Rutherford – no extremist ever learns anything – defeat only stokes his sense of righteous martyrdom.

    It is amusant, though, to poke a stick through the bars at them, as they gyre and gymbal, trying to explain their very predictable losses.

  52. 61. You are wrong, Rutherford. Look it up. A WTF look says nothing about Palins’ motivations, only the surprise of the witnesses.

    I like your 62.

    Alfie is right in 67, but he stated the danger that a panel can calculate the amount of money spent on a patient or group of patients over time and find some treatments not to be cost effective. I believe some insurance companies do the same thing, but I don’t know for certain.

    I agree the burgoning Social Security and Medicare programs are a fiscal time bomb, but the so called death panel can target individuals as ObamaCare does.

    Palin was florid and symplistic for maximum effect, the the death panels do lurk within. Paul Krugman also noticed.

    As Rutherford noted in 62, if the government absorbs most of the health insurance business, “there is nowhere to go from there.” I agree we could have subsidized or otherwise given insurance companies incentives to include people with pre conditions etc. We wouldn’t have had to overhaul the system to do it.

  53. Parker, I saw that video before. They say that is the one that got him fired from fox. I guess it was too much truth for them to accept and embrace.

    New subject regarding weather, and specifically the recent typhoon that killed so many in the Philippines. I watched a video showing microwave bursts used to cause the rotation of the storm. I have always been skeptical of those claiming we are MANipulating™ the weather, but I have become convinced and the ramifications are huge. Agenda 21 shit. I watched the video and was swayed, but not totally convinced. Then, apparently there were so many pointing to the video, that the news station in the Philippines contacted NOAH and had a scientist debunk the video. Then the author of the video responded to the scientist with another video which tended to solidify my opinion.

    Often those debunking video responses do more to validate the original, as is the case here. If you have some time, I think it very illuminating.

    We’ve been watching them seed the skies around here for years. They have changed some of their tact over time, but still claim the goal is entirely to bring rain to drought-stricken areas. I’m certain many of those in our military doing the deed think they are just helping, or are drones just following orders.

  54. Poolman – there are “nonlinear” effects – the so-called “butterfly effect” possible, where, if you know exactly the point to inject some energy, you can have a big effect down the road, but the energy in a storm like this would require more energy input than all of mankind could generate in decades, it would seem to me. And I cannot conceive that anyone has worked out the math to figure out the point where you would put the energy in.

    I don’t know exactly, but I’ve seen estimates up to thousands of megatons of TNT – basically hundreds of hydrogen bombs – being released by a storm this size.

    Human intervention on this scale seems completely impossible from where I sit, and if it happened, would be impossible to hide. Thoughts?

  55. Just learned the new premiums effective Nov. 15 for my family’s coverage through the group firm policy.

    FUCK YOU OBAMA AND EVERYONE STUPID ENOUGHT TO SUPPORT THIS TRAINWRECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  56. Hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaaa,

    The most trusted voice in America on Obamacare isn’t the president — or most of the media, Congress or insurance companies. It’s Fox News Channel.

    Just 11 percent said that President Obama is the most trusted source of Obamacare information, about half of those who cite Fox, at 19 percent.

    Worse for Obama, who has been fumbling over his oft-stated and false promise that Americans will be able keep their insurance under his namesake program, just 35 percent told YouGov.com that they trust his word a lot or some, while 52 percent said they trust him not too much or not at all.

    As with many polls about Fox, Democrats trust the cable network’s Obamacare information less than Republicans, but it still stands out as one of the nation’s leading sources on the health care law.

    YouGov.com question: Which ONE of the following sources of information about the new health care law do you trust the MOST?

    Fox News — 19 percent

    Friends and family — 17 percent

    President Obama — 11 percent

    National Public Radio — 10 percent

    Your insurance company — 9 percent

    Local TV news — 6 percent

    Republicans in Congress — 4 percent

    MSNBC — 3 percent

    BBC News — 3 percent

    CNN — 3 percent

    CBS News — 2 percent

    NBC News — 2 percent

    Obama administration officials — 2 percent

    Democrats in Congress — 2 percent

    Wall Street Journal — 2 percent

    Local daily newspaper — 2 percent

  57. Human intervention on this scale seems completely impossible from where I sit, and if it happened, would be impossible to hide. Thoughts?

    That is what I thought, too. And apparently it is getting much harder to hide. More and more folks are putting down their interactive devices and watching the skies. Even the US Navy admits to making plasma clouds using HAARP, and the following video ‘alleges’ that governments have used this technology for decades.

  58. My sympathies too Dead Rabbit. Our daughter works for a small company, and her charge will rise $300 a month. Her company may cancel its participation after the business waver expires.

    Scientists are researching several weather modification projects Tehe of our schemes make the problem worse or give us a new one?

    When I was stationed at Ellsworth AFB a weather modification project to reduce hail and enhance rainfall was in progress. We had a tremendous hail storm which smashed cars and knocked holes in building roofs. The storm was not unprecidented for the Black Hills, but people made connections between research and the storm I believe the project eventually ended in part because of the hail storm.

  59. Tigre has been playing Russian Roulette for far too long with the rest of us taking on all the risk. Obama is correct. Tigre needs that special “foreign object in his anus removal insurance” and it’s irresponsible he doesn’t have it.

    Buck up, wealthy wordsmith.

  60. “They say that is the one that got him fired from fox. I guess it was too much truth for them to accept and embrace.”

    They = the voices in your head? Maybe “they” have the judge and Fox mixed up with Juan Williams and NPR.

    Or maybe “they” are the deceivers that slapped the bullshit headline on the judge’s rant. The lie that you just repeated and then passed judgment on Fox for based on a premise that was a complete fabrication in the first place. Read the judge’s own plea for you assholes to knock it off NOW on his own fb page. Emphasis on NOW coming directly from the judge’s fb letter.

    Napolitano’s show (his third try) was canceled along with the entire prime time lineup on FBC two years ago. The why is so simple even you can understand it – ratings.

    He’s still employed by Fox, dummy. He’s on all the time.

  61. Well, I’ll be… I guess I should have consulted muffy first before repeating what others have claimed about fox. Please forgive me. Ratings. Yep, the live or die litmus for journalism nowadays.

  62. Yes ratings moron. It’s Fox Business Chanel. Who do you think they are – MSNBC?

    We’re not talking about news we’re talking about a talk show host, Mr. Journalistic Integrity.

  63. Here’s another blast from the past for all you word salad aficionados –

    “I would make the argument, one, that instead it is an incentive to do right–that it is not penalizing because penalty is punishment,” Jackson-Lee told the Judiciary Committee.

    “You’re not punished if you have health insurance, in fact. And so you are, in fact, incentivized to have health insurance, rather than take the negative which is to suggest that because we have a penalty you are being punished,” Rep. Jackson-Lee said.

    “I am helping you. I am helping you not to have 26 percent un-insurance in the state of Texas. I’m helping children be insured. I’m helping diverse minorities be insured,” said Rep. Jackson-Lee. “And I know during the civil rights argument–even though we were arguing under the Constitution–there were many policy statements being made: Do we want to live in a nation that discriminates against a person because of the color of their skin? In addition to the constitutional argument, do we want to live in a nation where there are people being uninsured causing catastrophic costs unto the nation and others have to pay. I think that is the question that needs to be considered by the courts.”

    “But I also need to say whether or not it is more an incentive than it is a punishment,” said Rep. Jackson-Lee. “I am more inspired by incentive. And I welcome it being a parking ticket. We get parking tickets all the time, and no one complains about being required to do the right thing.”

    Um…..Amen?

  64. You’re not the independent thinker you imagine yourself to be, Poolman. You’re a repeater of lies with the discernment of a goat. Clean up your act.

  65. Oh boy, someone’s got their feathers all ruffled. Why don’t you do yourself a favor and just scroll past my posts. K?

  66. @#92 – Deal! No more commenting on each other’s comments! Yay! You don’t know how many times I’ve seen your screed and thought, “shut up I wasn’t talking to you.”

  67. @ pool man I don’t think 60 people from the PLA is something to be all that concerned with even though they will technically outnumber the 50 people the USA will have at the Hawaiian conference. If you really want to have a seizure China will be actually participating in RIMPAC 2014 war games. Given your beliefs on Pearl Harbor that should get your juices go much more.

  68. “You’re not the independent thinker you imagine yourself to be, Poolman. ”

    It’s almost comical how much Alex Jones he parrots.

    At least he wised up to Obama-care, now. He used to defend it. I would always ask, how can you allow more of the same government that attacked itself on 9/11 be involved in your health care? He always responded stupidly that there are rogue elements of government and really good ones. And…um…..he voted for the good one. Or something like that.

    Pfessor also sternly told me once to “get over it” when I was bitching about Obamacare. Now he’s all John Galt over it (which in all seriousness I don’t blame the doctor one bit).

    And I don’t buy the excuse that Palin and McCain (was it the other way around?…..hard to tell since her deification by Rutherford….Shiva the goddess of destruction). These early Obama supporters could have made very clear that certain policies aren’t going to fly. If only Democrats, union gumps and those who fear the “dominionists” showed up at the town hall meetings over Obamacare maybe we wouldn’t all be getting fucked with the worst legislation since the Alien and Sedition Acts.

    The left cheer leaded. The independents were mum. (In fairness they aren’t anymore). And the media….the fucking media…they should kill themselves with swords. Because their pens are far from mighty.

    What harm Obama has done to so many of us out of noting but pure ego. Obamacare had to pass by any means necessary. It then was implemented by any means necessary in full knowledge that it will fuck over America.

    Rutherford used to always cover for failed liberalism by using good intent as an excuse.

    Rutherford clearly can’t say Obamacare was implemented with good intent. It was implemented with full knowledge it would hurt Americans. Full knowledge, I says.

  69. @ Parker….this completely out of left field but do you have a personal opinion on radiologic machines (X–ray,ct & mri) Siemens vs GE. Its an obscure curiosity for me given ACA,medical supplies tax and global trade.

  70. I almost forgot. The people who used their 1st amendment rights and took the time to fight the monstrosity of Obamacare were vilified daily by Rutherford and his friends. Lynchers, racists, astro turf….

    Obamacare and this entire presidency was a slow moving train wreck for anybody with half a brain. Only the biggest rubes could look at Obamacare when it passed and say, this 10,000 page bill, passed in the most disgusting of ways, hidden from Americans, will end up being in our interest.

    We had the current Speaker of the House trying to claim you could now quit your job and play the fucking bongos because of Obamacare. (But yeah…lets play the what Palin said game)

    Rutherford…you should have to pay for Tigre’s premiums. Seriously. We should show up with pitch forks and shake that money out of your pockets. Do you realize how much your lies and hate have cost us all?

    You guys were such assholes to the wise. And history will judge you harshly.

  71. “do you have a personal opinion on radiologic machines (X–ray,ct & mri) Siemens vs GE.” Alfie

    I sense a disturbance in your etrade account. My palms are itching….tell me what you are wondering about.

  72. @ rabbit I am curious about and do indeed try to play the market with some favoritism/patriotism. GE competes across many industries and seems to go head to head with Siemens repeatedly. I don’t have the temperament for commodities and currencies I tend to go for financials (took a bath there a few years ago) and what I’ll call infrastructure & manufacturing. So I like Siemens for their rail products for example.
    Anyway back to the point I am wondering about US companies that may eventually feel the ACA bite and how competitive they can stay. Another good example for me on the local front was the medical section of a company called Sensata. (same Dutch company with Bain ties and the whole auto section in Illinois during the campaign) Anyway they were looking down the barrel of getting hosed via the medical device tax,got a reprieve courtesy the local pols here including Lizzie Warren,which I found ironic all things considered.
    Apologies for the ramble,no hot tips for now.

  73. Alfie…I don’t play the commodities game anymore outside of buying physical (actually…..and this is very unsexy…..I mow lawns for gold and silver).

    I had some luck with options but then got wiped out a few times. Recently bet against oil. Boy was that wrong. When I look at the capital gains tax….I realize I’d be better off just calling up a bookie as the juice on the street is less. Man did I have a good run during the silver bubble, though.

    It took me a very, very long time to understand compounding interest. I now get it.

    I invest in dividend paying stocks only. And….I only use a Roth. I don’t even fuck with my 403B anymore. I will max my Roth out this year which is really good for me (as pathetic as that might sound in terms of saving).

    I want to buy land..bad……for fun more then anything. But as a cash man off the financial grid…..its going to take a while unless someone offers me a decent land contract.

    Good news is I don’t have a mortgage and drive two used cars with no loan.

    Bad news is I recently acquired a revolver habit. I just love shooting and owning wheel guns of late. That and my wife loves buying cheap shit from China or even cheaper shit from Sweden.

    Oh…and my second born is in the 90th percentile for weight, 99th head size and 99th height for a 18 month old. Motherfucker eats and shits like a bear. Costly.

    My 4 year old started wrestling. It’s hilarious. He’s the youngest and smallest out there. Poor kid is getting thrown around like a rag doll and doesn’t quite get that he supposed to dish it out yet. So far he loves it. Funny how boys actually enjoy getting yelled at by an alpha male coach…even at the age of 4. Just got back from practice…..found out they might not even make a singlet small enough for him.

  74. re 102

    At least there is some hope left in the world. Somalian Skinnies and their nasty brand of piracy can bring two great rivals together.

  75. Rabbit, that rodent brain can’t retain much, and in particular, not with regard to my standing on Obamacare. I was always for single-payer, medicare for all, and totally against this insurance provider manifesto. I held a small bit of hope with the talk of a public option, but that faded. I did vote Obama in ’08. Guilty. My bad, looking back. But I couldn’t stomach McCain and with Palin on the ticket sealed it. I was done with these wars. I got sucked into the hope vortex. Turned out to be a black hole. It took a few years, but then I came to see we were all duped and that most folks remain there. I learn new stuff daily. Some days I can’t get enough of this internet stuff.

  76. @ rabbit I’m glad to hear your guy is all good. as for

    That and my wife loves buying cheap shit from China or even cheaper shit from Sweden.

    So you’re saying a real badlands deal for you would be an area with a Walmart on one end of the street and an IKEA on the other 🙂

  77. I was always for single-payer, medicare for all, and totally against this insurance provider manifesto.

    Good grief. Take Obama and put it on steroids…

    You’re still not getting it, Poolman.

  78. Very interesting: It seems that the tiny Christie backlash against extremism in US has metastasized to the Democratic party, as well:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/us/politics/senate-democrat-joe-manchin-takes-on-party-leaders.html?_r=0

    Manchin is a very interesting fellow. Businessman, self-made millionaire, pilot, former governor. Acquitted himself very well during the West Virginia, US, mine disaster in 2010. Always very much self-deprecating and humble. Very grounded. Even though a Democrat, he has been a great thorn in the side of Obama, because of Obama’s attacks on the coal industry through his ideologues at the EPA, which hurt Manchin’s home state of West Virginia greatly.

    Manchin just may go somewhere in US.

  79. Alfie: GE vs Siemens x-ray equipment. No opinion. Medical devices a bit out of my area of expertise.

    Investing is not. GE is extremely diversified, which can sometimes mean “di-worse-i-fied” according to Peter Lynch – i.e. they do nothing very well. GE under Jack Welch was a powerhouse; Jeff Immelt is pretty much an idler by comparison. GE Capital was GE’s best-performing division, but took major injury in the US bubble meltdown. Aircraft Engines is doing well; GE has the most advanced designs on the planet. Rolls-Royce gives them good competition in large engines. Pratt & Whitney owns the 1000 BHP and below market with the venerable PT-6 turboshaft engine, so GE does not compete there significantly. P&W moat is too large.

    Siemens is very diversified also; caveat above. Medical divisions in both GE and Siemens are tiny sections. GE Aircraft Engines makes more profit in a day than Medical Division does in a year. Siemens makes money in trains and train controllers.

    Compound interest. In US, to have a dollar, you must earn two dollars, because of taxes. Dividends are taxed the same way. Capital gains are still below 20%, I believe, so that is how to make money. The taxes are critically important because of the way compounding works: A = Pe^(rt) (continuous compounding – easiest to understand) Note r and t are in the exponent, so doubling either r or t roughly quadruples your final amount, while doubling your principal (P) only doubles your amount. Taxes serve to reduce your r (rate), which is in the exponent, so they are devastating to wealth-building.

    Precious metals are for fools. They never go up in REAL value, but can serve as a hedge against inflation due to money-printing, which US has in spades right now. Severe inflation to follow when US economy recovers a little. Any gains in gold “value” are taxed, though, cutting your “profit” even further. The best protection is a basket of carefully-selected stocks, which go up in real value beyond inflation, as workers produce real goods.

    Technical analysis is also for fools; the only proven system is value investing, as promulgated by your Mr. Graham and practised by Mr. Buffett. Do your homework and take the time to find really superlative stocks; then invest and hold. Take at least as much time selecting a stock as you do your auto. Do not trade much, since fees come off your bottom line, and you trigger capital-gains taxes. If you never trade, all your capital gains will be passed to your heirs without being taxed (stepped-up basis) so they are free money to your children.

    Investing in a nutshell. Easy. It just takes the discipline to not chase fantasies.

  80. Sorry Tigre. I meant you.

    We own a lot of farm land, and it took us thirty years to pay for. My great aunt said “Never sell the land. It will take care of you.” So far, after twenty or thirty lean years, we are comfortable.

    Thanks, Parker for your GE and investment comment. We played the grain market the way you suggested stocks. We also learned you can’t beat the market. You pick a level which will support you and stick with it without emotion, while watching short-term features like the weather.

  81. “FUCK YOU OBAMA AND EVERYONE STUPID ENOUGHT TO SUPPORT THIS TRAINWRECK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Now let’s think about this a bit. Tigre’s premiums go up every year. If he says they don’t, he’s lying. Every year at Big Blue my wife and I saw our health insurance premiums rise.

    So here’s what’s interesting. Tigre didn’t moan and groan when fat cat insurance companies raised his premium partly for fun and profit and partly to pay for the poor in emergency rooms BUT he has a conniption when the premium goes up so the poor can get proper health insurance and NOT go to emergency rooms.

    Forced charity really gets his undies in a knot.

  82. Rutherford. I know my premiums have gone up over the past couple of years due solely to ACA compliance. The benefit package prior to 2009 was not under the pressure it is now. I think Tigre could very well be experiencing the same truth .

  83. “But Tigre, you should be thanking President Deep for saving you from your “substandard” policy.”

    You’re truly an ass. Your car has to have government mandated safety features that cost you money. You don’t get to say “I want that new car without child booster seat latches cos I don’t have kids.”

    Consumer protection is a commonly accepted role of government.

  84. Forced charity? Only a lib. 🙄

    R, may your premiums go way up due to Obamacare. You need a little forced charity. You sure don’t offer it voluntarily.

    I hope you cheer what it means to our employees too. You’re a first class twatwaffle.

  85. “Tigre didn’t moan and groan when fat cat insurance companies raised his premium partly for fun and profit and partly to pay for the poor in emergency rooms. . .”

    And on that you’d be mistaken. Again, you’ve proven that you can’t retain a thing I’ve said on this or any topic. I’ve complained plenty right on this very blog.

    Keep believing Obamacare is good — until MSNBC gives you permission to recognize what is obvious to everyone else in the whole fucking world.

  86. “Your car has to have government mandated safety features that cost you money.”

    Dumbass. Obama is now trying to “fulfill his promise” by unlawfully trying to allow the “mandated safety features.” Hmmmmmmm. . .

  87. Rutherford, President Derp is now purporting to unilaterally give us back the policies that until today he was insisting weren’t good enough for us…but only for a year…which is pretzel logic of the first order.

    As for your ridiculous analogy, if the government can force its way into every contractual relationship you have, and can FORCE you to enter in to that contract, then it can force you to do anything.

    But it CAN’T, because that interferes with freedom of contract.

  88. “There is no doubt that our failure to roll out the ACA smoothly has put a burden on Democrats, whether they’re running or not, because they stood up and supported this. I feel deeply responsible for making it harder for them, rather than easier for them.” -B. Obama

    “has put a burden on Democrats”

    “HAS PUT A BURDEN ON DEMOCRATS?”

  89. Don’t worry Muffy. Obama will delay the ugly parts until after the midterms. Problem fixed.

    Phew. We can shift gears now and get back to talking about unemployment and the economy.

  90. All Obama has got to do is to claim this is another war on women as single mothers will be most affected by the delay of implementation, that Shelly and Barack are most concerned about the middle class and their substandard insurance policies being canceled, and that Republicans are taking away women’s right to make their own choices about their bodies (murder their fetuses), and whammo….

    Guaranteed 40% of the country, mostly single women, minorities and academia, will come to BO’s defense and single out Republicans for attacking him.

    Yes, they are that stupid…

  91. Ehhh, don’t forget Tex, as Rutherford the Benevolent aptly demonstrates, you’ve got be sure and tell them it is the other guy that pays/sacrifices. If the dumb libs catch on, they’ll run for the exits.

    “Always the other guy.” It should be a Democrat candidate’s bumper sticker.

    And if it ain’t clear, fuck you R. The increase directly attributable to your utopian stupidity have a real impact on my family. I know I can safely assume they don’t effect yours. You wouldn’t be so smug if you thought they did.

    27k enrolled, 5 million lose their policies. Yes We Can!!

  92. Ohh man. I have had parent conferences today. Getting screwed by Obama is the talk of the town.

    Lot of people pissed. Lot of people screwed.

    And there is so much more pain to come.

    I’m telling you……a terrible storm is coming for the Rutherfords of this land.

    Rutherford and the Democratic party don’t understand the working class. Its the party of elites and welfare mothers. Not working people. Just look at Obamacare. They don’t even know when the working class has money in its pocket!

    Working class about to go off!

    Its going to get so ugly.

    Obama should be forced to lick in between Sara Palin’s toes.

  93. So the news this morning mentioned the number of people who now have been signed up on expanded medicaid, the number of people buying insurance on the exchange, and how many people lost their coverage.

    Two words came to mind: WEALTH. TRANSFER.

    And the tyrant putting his feet on our furniture in the Oval Office when he isn’t out trying to lower his golf handicap brazenly lied to each and every American to make it happen, and is willing to completely violate the Constitutional separation of powers in order to preserve it. Because he likes his wealth transfer, and wants to keep it.

    Would we tolerate anyone else interfering in our right to contract the way that government does with the UNaffordable Health Care Act? Would we tolerate anyone else STEALING from us in the manner practiced under the UNaffordable Health Care Act?

    Allowing it in an entity which is supposed to be answerable to us sets a very bad precedent, but I’m afraid that it will take the passage of nonsense like the Healthy Diet Act, and the Mandatory Flossing Act and the Affordable Transportation Act, which will require every American to buy a Chevy Volt or pay a fine collectible by our friends at the IRS before enough Americans decide that they have had enough.

    Heck, that may not even be enough. It might take the Suppository, Enema, and Cleanse Act to get people to finally figure out that the Federal government’s fingers are in all sorts of places that they shouldn’t be…

  94. Remember when Obama said if you made less than $250,000 a year, read my lips, no new taxes?

    WH Predicts: Taxes Will Hit Record $3T in FY14–$29,673 Per Full-Time Worker
    November 14, 2013 – 2:03 PM
    By Terence P. Jeffrey

    Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John Boehner

    (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

    (CNSNews.com) – The latest Monthly Treasury Statement, which was released on Wednesday afternoon, relies on the estimate made by the White House Office of Management and Budget to say that federal tax revenues will top $3 trillion for the first time in the nation’s history in fiscal 2014.

    In fact, the record $3,023,004,000,000 in tax revenues that the White House is predicting the federal government will rake in during fiscal 2014 not only exceeds the inflation-adjusted revenue taken in by the government in any previous year, it also equals $29,673 in tax revenue for every full-time worker in the country.

    It is also equals $9,534 for every man, woman and child currently living in the country.

    Until now, the record-setting year for inflation-adjusted federal tax revenues was fiscal 2007. In that year, the federal government brought in $2,899,644,380,000 in constant 2013 dollars.

    If the White House is correct that total federal tax receipts will hit $3,023,004,000,000 in fiscal 2014, that would represent an increase of $123,359,620,000 in constant 2013 dollars over fiscal 2007’s record tax haul of $2,899,644,380,000. Real tax revenues this year, according to the White House estimate, will be 4.25 percent higher than they have ever been.

    According to the Census Bureau, there are now 317,065,976 people in the United States. The $3,023,004,000,000 in taxes the administration plans to collect this fiscal year equals $9,534 for every single one of those 317,065,976 people.

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 101,877,000 full-time workers (who usually worked at least 35 hours a week) in the average month during 2012. The $3,023,004,000,000 in taxes the administration plans to collect this year equals $29,673 for each of those full-time workers.

    For each household where there are two full-time workers, the federal government is planning to collect $59,346 in this fiscal year. In 2012, according to the Census Bureau, the median household income was only $51,017.

    At the end of 2012, President Barack Obama struck a deal with Republicans in Congress to enact legislation that increased taxes. The deal included pushing the top income tax rate from 35 percent to 39.6 percent, increasing the top tax rate on dividends and capital gains from 15 percent to 20 percent, and phasing out personal exemptions and deductions starting at an annual income level of $250,000.

    Despite the record tax revenue, the White House Office of Management and Budget predicts a deficit of $750,369,000,000. That would be an increase from the $680,232,000,000 deficit the Treasury reported for fiscal 2013, which ended on Sept. 30.

  95. “WH Predicts: Taxes Will Hit Record $3T in FY14–$29,673 Per Full-Time Worker”

    Forced charity, motherfucker. It’s a virtue, right R?

  96. “Any gains in gold “value” are taxed, though, cutting your “profit” even further.” -Parker

    Yes….for honest people they are. Kind of hard to track if you buy cash sell cash.

  97. “Rutherford…you should have to pay for Tigre’s premiums. Seriously. We should show up with pitch forks and shake that money out of your pockets.”

    Be my guest. All you’ll shake out of my pockets is lint and not even expensive luxurious lint at that. 😆

  98. “Apologies for the ramble,no hot tips for now.”

    LOL Reminds me of Jim Cramer and his “tips are for waiters. Anyone who gives you a tip is either a fool or a criminal trading on insider info.”

    The rich irony is that Cramer makes his living giving stock tips. 🙂

  99. “Technical analysis is also for fools; ”

    In my old stock days I used to study tech analysis a bit and it always seemed more like a 20/20 hindsight kind of thing vs a good predictor of where a stock would go.

    I always found IBD’s stock report card pretty reliable and it helped me make some very good short term trades. I stopped trading when I lost my job because I felt gambling under those circumstances was reprehensible.

    The day I sold all my stocks cos I needed the money I literally sat there crying my eyes out. I found long term investing satisfying and short term trading such sweet torture.

    One of my fantasies is to be a kick ass day trader but I know I lack the intestinal fortitude to do it.

  100. “Again, you’ve proven that you can’t retain a thing I’ve said on this or any topic. I’ve complained plenty right on this very blog.”

    I need to start challenging you to produce quotes because God help me I do not recall your being an outspoken critic of the status quo health insurance industry.

  101. “Rutherford, President Derp is now purporting to unilaterally give us back the policies that until today he was insisting weren’t good enough for us…but only for a year…which is pretzel logic of the first order.”

    A foolish move on his part … but anything to try and clean up the lie. I’m not happy about it.

  102. “Guaranteed 40% of the country, mostly single women, minorities and academia, will come to BO’s defense and single out Republicans for attacking him.”

    Not so fast. Obama’s stats are in the basement. It will take a lot more than flashy rhetoric to get him above water.

  103. Rutherford, you really have to self reflect a little bit.

    Outside of maybe the Volstead Act, it as became apparent this week to pretty much everybody outside of MSNBC that America has been burdened by the most disastrous, hurtful legislation in American history.

    Look who your blog is about on this historic week. It’s clinical, man.

    I know it ain’t easy for you and I mean that. But if there is any way possible for you to leave the apartment, turn off MSNBC and talk to people, I have a feeling you might gain the self awareness needed to stop embarrassing yourself.

    Sara Palin can’t possibly be relevant to anyone except for maybe the I told you so crowd on the right.

    You should be using that Harvard educated brain and be writing blogs pondering the following.

    At what point can any president manipulate law at will?

    How loyal does a Democratic fan boy have to be? Are there any lines crossed to make a loyal fan boy go on the blog offensive against a president said blogger formerly supported?

    Is Obama’s ad hoc move of now putting the blame on insurance companies even feasible? How does it work? Can insurance companies just change policy overnight? Is this a nasty trick to try to fake the people out again?

    If Obamacare is so hurtful right now, what can we expect down the line?

    Or….grab your little nut sack at defend this shit.

    But Sara Palin? Really?

  104. Rutherford – day-trading. I have an old high school mate who lives in eastern US city. If I was not a diehard Graham-en-sian, I would have sold all my American stocks the day he emailed me that he was thinking of scrapping his job and day-trading full time.

    It is so easy to get lost in the trees in stuff like day trading and miss the forest. That is why it is important to educate yourself by reading reports of how various systems really work. In day trading, you get so caught up in the frenzy that you fail to see that what is happening is just noise and that it is human tendency to minimise his losses and ballyhoo his winnings.

    But cold facts will tell you that nothing works except what your father told you: companies built on hard work, fiscally responsible corporate officers, careful attention to expenses. And they never stand out short term; they languish while day traders succumb to the siren’s song and excitement of PROMISED short-term gains. BTW, tell that to your president.

    Graham said that in the short term the market is a voting machine, but in the long term it is a weighing machine. Absolutely true.

    Anyway, technical analysis or day trading never pans out. One of the best stocks I own is in a very long-held Australian company called ARB. They make air-locker differential units for off-road vehicles.

  105. I think its plausible that that technical analysis is legitimate in certain day trading outfits, particularly candle stick tech analysis in the forex. There might not be any fundamentals behind it other then its a self fulfilling prophecy by other weirdos who believe in it. The catch is you have to be extremely disciplined with your rules and its boring as hell. I did learn a system that worked scalping the the forex. I even took it beyond the practice account with same results. I figured out that it was basically a part time job that hurt my eyes and head that earned around minimum wage with horrible capital gains tax. So I mow some lawns for shiny gold and silver now instead.

    Which brings me back to precious metals. There is an awesome aesthetic to watching a safety deposit box build up like a chest of pirate booty. I love how it looks. I don’t get that feeling from my Roth. It’s art and wealth at the same time. That has to count for something.

    My two boys, and I’m dead serious about this, will get a treasure map at my funeral. Why? Because its bad ass.

  106. Does anybody here still believe your American government is benign?

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/11/15-3

    This is a perfect example of how governments throughout history have taken advantage of public hysteria over perceived “threats” to take away personal freedoms. Post-9/11 was right by the playbook.

    Fortunately, “foreign” internets are more and more disconnecting from the American internet and putting their own webs in place. We can all thank Mssr. Snowden for that.

  107. Ok, R. I just watched the clip of Marty Bashir calling Palin America’s Dunce. Given the sheer number of clips with him taking shots at her, I can only assume that his unhealthy fixation is almost as strong as yours.

    By the way, his indictment of her use of the word “slavery” to describe where the government’s “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today” policies (which was right on, BTW) served to reveal his own ignorance, as slavery existed long before it was in the west Indies and the US, enslaved more than just Africans, and for reasons that included conquest and….wait for it….DEBT.

    But after watching Marty and his potent two minute cocktail of hate and ignorance, I could only conclude that the sole purpose was so he could say his clever little punchline at the end and congratulate himself for saying he wants someone to shit in her mouth and piss in her eyes without, you know, ACTUALLY saying it. What a brave passive-aggressive little think he is. He can’t even be brave enough to say what he really wants to say to her. But at least it gave all 10 of his viewers, you included, a good laugh as one of your number ALMOST said something in a personal attack that you would be certain to find completely out of bounds if the same were said about Nancy Pelosi, Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, et seq.

    Good job. What clever boys you all are.

  108. @152 I don’t think Snowden deserves any pat on the back and I also am pretty sure that any belief any other internet set up on the global stage is somehow freer and purer than the USA is childish dreaming.
    As for message and people control the medium has evolved but the purpose and players have always been the same. It goes without saying that “the worlds greatest democracy” has a long history of guilt in that arena.
    I would interject that the linked articles use of the BART incident as being on equal footing of China,Egypt,Syria or Turkey or lets use Snowdens new digs where the FSB (formerly the KGB) pretty much control the countries domestic version/knockoff of Facebook is weak on many levels. On one level I didn’t get a vibe about is far truer in the West. First off the internet isn’t freedom,the thinking that it is is one of its biggest lies/myths. Second in the West you need to worry far more about the $$$ buddies crunching on your net freedoms. That truth is where the BART incident shines since many of the public transit systems are quasi- government entities using the private sector to bring wi fi to the systems in the first place. Then you have throttling of bandwidth etc etc.

  109. In the spirit of the post I wrote that was reblogged here, Sarah Palin and her fans and detractors are driving the nail hard. The haters who want to monetize their hate of Palin are falling over themselves following her every murmur while she stumps her hardly original “save Christmas” book. The other side find nirvana as she stoically battles the forces of evil. Meanwhile I just shake my head wondering what the fuck happened to my country.
    Also @ BiC you really need to calm down about the feet on the desk thing, They all do it and it appears two (R)’s did it to the Resolute

  110. “Ok, R. I just watched the clip of Marty Bashir calling Palin America’s Dunce.”

    With all sincerity I can’t believe you wasted your time on it. I laughed at the two phrases that I quoted. I DID find his suggestion that Sarah be treated like a slave way over the top but that is the essence of Martin Bashir.

  111. “Ben Carson also referred to it as slavery.

    He’s black.”

    Since I don’t watch Bashir religiously I can’t say whether or not he’s taken a shot at Carson.

    Carson’s being black doesn’t legitimize his use of a ridiculous analogy. It just makes him look the fool.

  112. He didn’t take a shot at Carson — nor would he. He attacked Palin for being ignorant and racist, neither of which apply to Carson who is one million times more intelligent than Bashir or 18 people including you that are gratified by HIS stupidity.

  113. This is what it is like trying to explain ACA to a Liberal. Obviously the guy is the Conservative and the Girl is the well meant Liberal.

  114. The $50 Lesson

    Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog.

    During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President someday.

    Both of her parents – liberal Democrats – were standing there, so I asked her, “If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?”

    She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.”

    Her parents beamed with pride!

    “Wow…what a worthy goal!” I said. “But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that!” I told her.

    “What do you mean?” she replied.

    So I told her, “You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I’ll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.”

    She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”

    I said, “Welcome to the Libertarian Party.”

    Her parents aren’t speaking to me.

  115. Alfie@156. I think you mischaracterize most of the Palin-haters (as Palin-haters).

    A tiny minority, who are just as deranged and ignorant as she is, like her and think she is a real gift to America. Most Democrats think she is a gift, too – but they think she’s a gift to the Democrat party – someone they can hang around the neck of the Republicans, point to and laugh. She surely is that.

    Others think she is a real, very dangerous, wing-nut and deride her every chance they get in order to damage her image as much as possible, lest she have a shot at holding public office again.

    Actually, I think most Americans are just embarrassed by her and wish she would shut the F up.

  116. We are back in Omaha now. Sarah Palin will be signing and selling books a few blocks from us on November 22. I wouldn’t cross the street or her but if she can get some of her many fans to vote Republican more power to her.

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