You Lie

The reality on the ground right now doesn’t change the fact that Representative Joe Wilson is a horse’s ass. However …

When the evil liberal media calls you a liar, Mr. President you’ve got a major problem. Obama told the American people repeatedly that “if you like your insurance you won’t have to change it.”

While Obama defenders split hairs about how many folks WILL have to switch policies the fact remains that Obama’s statement absent of any caveats was a flat out lie and the evil liberal media reports that this time Obama can’t claim ignorance. He knew he was lying.

You CANNOT implement sweeping ground breaking legislation and sell it with lies.

The nobility behind the ACA will have a hard time seeing sunlight so long as it’s buried under a pile of incompetence and dishonesty.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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420 thoughts on “You Lie

  1. The reality on the ground right now doesn’t change the fact that Representative Joe Wilson is a horse’s ass. However …

    😆 Rutherford is trying so hard to unzip himself to escape out of the Moonbat mold – but just quite get there yet.

    Joe Wilson, horse’s ass or not, was right. 😉

  2. Kind of lame Rutherford can’t just go ahead and give that guy who yelled you lie proper respect. Dude should be a folk hero to everyone of us who have to sit in meetings and listen to bull shit lies from the man.

    I loved it then. Love it more now.

    You lie!

    And not does he. What about the other lies, R?

  3. Liberals sure love to run in a pack
    Only after indisputable evidence and three days of MSNBC coverage to we get Captain Obvious going on a limb and “telling like it is”.

  4. “You CANNOT implement sweeping ground breaking legislation and sell it with lies.”

    Why not? Didn’t you repeatedly tell us its just sausage making.

    I got some sausage for you.

    The ignorant masses are about to wake up.

    I’ve already heard talk about a national punch a liberal day.

    There is a storm coming Mr. Wayne…….

  5. Hear, hear DR. It’s just sausage making — a first step.

    MSNBC says that Obama’s critics are playing semantics and working an “attack point.” Got that? Pretending there was choice and selling it to gain support knowing it was untrue was just semantics. 🙄

    Want to wager in short order this too will be declared a “nothing burger?”

  6. The ignorant masses change their tunes when it affects them personally.

    The ignorant masses will change their tunes.

    I regret that it requires tangible, personal harm for the dim bulbs to light. I really do. It speaks to our weakness as a nation.

  7. R, did you watch the Krauthammer/Stewart debate on The Daily Show? It was a good one. I think you’d like it. There was in fact a meaningful and respectful exchange that contained a fair amount of clarity regardless of whether you agreed with either or neither of them. It was of a type that would not occur on you MSNBC. I wish you’d search out more like it.

  8. Rutherford is still stuck on the Representative, uhhh, Hank, uhhh Johnson, uhhh, MoDo uhhhh Super uhhh Special uhhhh Racism uhhh Detecting uhhhhh lens.

    If you don’t like him, say so. If you think he is somehow below par, explain why. (and keep in mind who some of his peers in Congress are)

  9. Want to wager in short order this too will be declared a “nothing burger?”

    😆 😆 A big nothing burger of how the sausage made… 😆 😆

    Too funny. I had almost forgotten.

    Rutherford, I’m glad you’re giving a slight hint about the size of an electron that you’re a tad embarrassed of what has become of your useful idiot for leader and equally worthless party.

    I hold little hope you’ll ever admit you’re wrong, but I can guarantee Mr. Romney would not have stamped his approval on the Obamacare website. 😈

    Somewhere, Ann Romney laughs…

  10. Here’s my surefire prediction which doesn’t require the gift of prophecy.

    When the Unaffordable Health Care Act is finally proven a colossal failure, the excuse you will hear will be:

    Because the Republicans were obstructionists and wanted Obama to fail.

    There will be no admission of failure by the Left.

  11. The Affordable Care Act is apparently unaffordable, carelessly implemented, and currently inactive. It’s sort of like they took the entire system we had and wrapped a whole lot of red tape around it, put a label on it and gave it back to us.

    I’m gonna steer clear of it for now.

  12. New York doctors are treating ObamaCare like the plague, a new survey reveals.

    A poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society finds that 44 percent of MDs said they are not participating in the nation’s new health-care plan.

    Another 33 percent say they’re still not sure whether to become ObamaCare providers.

    Only 23 percent of the 409 physicians queried said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges.

    “This is so poorly designed that a lot of doctors are afraid to participate,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht, president of the 29,000-member organization. “There’s a lot of resistance. Doctors don’t know what they’re going to get paid.”

    Three out of four doctors who are participating in the program said they “had to participate” because of existing contractual obligations with an insurer or medical provider, not because they wanted to.

    Only one in four “affirmatively” chose to sign up for the exchanges.

    Nearly eight in 10 — 77 percent — said they had not been given a fee schedule to show much they’ll get paid if they sign up.

    The survey invited doctors to anonymously share opinions about the new health care law, and many took time out of their busy days to vent.

    “Obama Care wants to start right away, but who see all these new patients???? Not me,” e-mailed one doc.

    Another said, “I plan to retire if this disaster is implemented. This is a train wreck.”

    “I refuse to participate in the exchange plans! I am completely opposed to this new law,” said a third respondent.

    One doctor recycled the mantra used to attack addictions: “The solution is simple: Just say no.”

    One physician was so disgusted, he threatened to taken only cash patients going forward.

    “I am seriously considering opting out of all insurance plans including Medicare because of [ObamaCare].”

    Some physicians said the pressure on insurance carriers to control costs is leading to rationed care.

    “OBAMACARE is a disaster. I have already seen denial of medication, denial of referrals,” one doc said.

    And they worry that stingy payments for medical services offered by insurers could put some doctors out of business and force others into retirement.

    “Any doctor who accepts the exchange is just a bad businessman/woman. Pays terrible,” argued one doctor.

    Said another MD, “Can’t imagine any doctors would be willing to work for so little money? All doctors should boycott.”

    Doctors complained they’ve gotten the shaft for years even before ObamaCare.

    “I get screwed from insurance companies already. I refuse to get screwed any longer,” one doctor said.

    Others said they don’t have enough information to make an informed choice.

    “This is a joke. We are flying blind,” said one doctor.

  13. Washington (CNN)The Obama administration was given stark warnings just one month before launch that the federal healthcare site was not ready to go live, according to a confidential report obtained by CNN.

    The caution, from the main contractor CGI, warned of a number of open risks and issues for the HealthCare.gov web site even as company executives were testifying publicly that the project had achieved key milestones.

    On Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Medicaid Chief Marilyn Tavenner, whose job it was to oversee the October 1 rollout of the website, said she did not foresee its problems.

    “No, we had tested the website and we were comfortable with its performance,” she said. “Now, like I said, we knew all along there would be as with any new website, some individual glitches we would have to work out. But, the volume issue and the creation of account issues was not anticipated and obviously took us by surprise. And did not show up in testing.”

    But the CGI document, which describes “top risks currently open” and “outstanding issues currently being mitigated” says the testing timeframes are “not adequate to complete full functional, system, and integration testing activities” and lists the impact of the problems as “significant.”

    Another element is listed as ” not enough time in schedule to conduct adequate performance testing” and given the highest priority.

    CGI had no comment other than to confirm authenticity of the report that also gave “the highest priority” and warns “we don’t have access to monitoring tools” and “hub services are intermittently unavailable” — short for the “site’s not working sometimes.”

    One concern, listed as “severe,” warned, “CGI does not have access to necessary tools to manage envs in test, imp, and prod. Specifically (1) we don’t have access to central log collection / view (2) we don’t have access to monitoring tools. We have repeatedly asked CMS and URS but have not been granted this access.”

    The report, which documents issues from August 2013 and was sent to at least one employee at CMS by an executive at CGI on September 6, was submitted in response to a request by the House Oversight Committee, which is now investigating the rollout of the health law.

    Earlier: Contractors blame government for Obamacare website woes

    E-mail addresses and some names on the document were redacted before it was obtained by CNN.

    CGI also said in the document they were putting a team in place to alert whenever the hub goes down.

    CNNMoney: Obamacare ‘hub’ back online after malfunction

    CMS pointed to part of the report that said all “upcoming major milestones” were seen as “on track.”

    Brian Cook, an agency spokesman, said the report was “not a dire warning” but more of a “list of things to do” if read in full.

    “What’s been done, what needs to be done, what needs to be resolved. It is misleading to cherry pick a few lines,” he said, adding that the report identified issues and “we worked to address those issues and all issues identified.”

    It is not clear if a later report detailed that the issues were resolved. But the warnings run counter to Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius’ stated optimism to CNN’s Sanjay Gupta that when she woke up October 1, things would go smoothly.

    Cheryl Campbell, a Senior Vice President for CGI Federal told lawmakers on Capitol Hill October 25, “no one ever gets enough time for testing.”

    Campbell, whose company has a contract worth a possible total of more than $200 million for its work on the system, noted than an end-to-end test conducted within two weeks of the launch caused the system to crash. She said it was up to CMS to decide on proceeding with the rollout.

    Campbell did not raise any alarm bells on Capitol Hill back in September, when she told a House Committee CGI was confident it could get the job done.

    “To date, the marketplace implementation has achieved all of its key milestones from the initial architecture review in October 2011 to project baseline review in March 2012 and, most recently, the operational readiness review in September 2013,” before the website went live.

    Up on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, Tavenner, kicked off testimony by saying she’s sorry for the Obamacare rollout.

    “We know that consumers are eager to purchase this coverage and to the millions of Americans who have attempted to use healthcare.gov to shop and enroll in healthcare coverage,” she said. “I want to apologize to you that the website has not worked as well as it should.”

    It was a big switch from August, before CGI’s report, when Tavenner told lawmakers the rollout was “on track.”

    “CMS is ready for October 1 and we’re motivated and ready for the hard work ahead,” she said at that time.

  14. My wife, San Francisco Chronicle columnist Debra J. Saunders, caused quite a stir over the weekend when she discovered that 500,000 Californians would lose their health insurance under Obamacare. That means often paying more to buy a new policy, on the exchange.

    It’s actually worse than she first thought. At an editorial-board meeting yesterday, she questioned the head of Covered California about the matter. He admitted the actual number is between 800,00 and 900,000.

  15. This is something that was in the original NBC story, but was then removed, and later on added back in.

    None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

  16. House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer conceded to reporters today that Democrats knew people would not be able to keep their current health care plans under Obamacare and expressed qualified contrition for President Obama’s repeated vows to the contrary.

    “We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage,” Hoyer said in response to a question from National Review.

    Asked by another reporter how repeated statements by Obama to the contrary weren’t “misleading,” Hoyer said “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough…[it] should have been caveated with – ‘assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.’”

  17. IRS anticipated that 40%-67% of “granfathered” plans would be terminated or fall out of grandfathered status. That’s up to 2/3s of all plans would be terminated.

    f. Impacts on the Individual Market

    The market for individual insurance is significantly different than that for group coverage. This affects estimates of the proportion of plans that will remain grandfathered until 2014. As mentioned previously, the individual market is a residual market for those who need insurance but do not have group coverage available and do not qualify for public coverage. For many, the market is transitional, providing a bridge between other types of coverage. One study found a high percentage of individual insurance policies began and ended with employer-sponsored coverage.[27] More importantly, coverage on particular policies tends to be for short periods of time. Reliable data are scant, but a variety of studies indicate that between 40 percent and 67 percent of policies are in effect for less than one year.[28] Although data on changes in benefit packages comparable to that for the group market is not readily available, the high turnover rates described here would dominate benefit changes as the chief source of changes in grandfather status.

    While a substantial fraction of individual policies are in force for less than one year, a small group of individuals maintain their policies over longer time periods. One study found that 17 percent of individuals maintained their policies for more than two years,[29] while another found that nearly 30 percent maintained policies for more than three years.[30]

    Using these turnover estimates, a reasonable range for the percentage of individual policies that would terminate, and therefore relinquish their grandfather status, is 40 percent to 67 percent. These estimates assume that the policies that terminate are replaced by new individual policies, and that these new policies are not, by definition, grandfathered. In addition, the coverage that some individuals maintain for long periods might lose its grandfather status because the cost-sharing parameters in policies change by more than the limits specified in these interim final regulations. The frequency of this outcome cannot be gauged due to lack of data, but as a result of it, the Departments estimate that the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 percent to 67 percent range that is estimated based on the fraction of individual policies that turn over from one year to the next.

  18. I could do this all day…..

    Sue Klinkhamer has a problem.

    It’s called Obamacare.

    And the irony of her situation is not lost on her. In a recent email addressed to her former boss, Illinois Congressman Bill Foster, and other Democratic colleagues, she wrote:

    “I spent two years defending Obamacare. I had constituents scream at me, spit at me and call me names that I can’t put in print. The congressman was not re-elected in 2010 mainly because of the anti-Obamacare anger. When the congressman was not re-elected, I also (along with the rest of our staff) lost my job. I was upset that because of the health care issue, I didn’t have a job anymore but still defended Obamacare because it would make health care available to everyone at, what I assumed, would be an affordable price. I have now learned that I was wrong. Very wrong.”

    For Klinkhamer, 60, President Obama’s oft-repeated words ring in her ears: “If you like your health plan, you will keep it.”

    When Klinkhamer lost her congressional job, she had to buy an individual policy on the open market.

    Three years ago, it was $225 a month with a $2,500 deductible. Each year it went up a little to, as of Sept. 1, $291 with a $3,500 deductible. Then, a few weeks ago, she got a letter.

    “Blue Cross,” she said, “stated my current coverage would expire on Dec. 31, and here are my options: I can have a plan with similar benefits for $647.12 [or] I can have a plan with similar [but higher] pricing for $322.32 but with a $6,500 deductible.”

    She went on, “Blue Cross also tells me that if I don’t pick one of the options, they will just assume I want the one for $647. … Someone please tell me why my premium in January will be $356 more than in December?”

    The sticker shock Klinkhamer is experiencing is something millions of individual policyholders are reeling from having gotten similar letters from their private insurers.

  19. doctors and Obamacare – the obvious answer is to pull their wagons in a circle, agree to take care of each others’ families, and quit. Let the public treat their own damned heart failure and broken bones.

    The problem is, that assumes that doctors a) have some money saved to fall back on, which itself assumes… a1) their wives haven’t already spent them into the poor-house and a2) their current expenses for golf, country-club memberships and Mercedes-Benz(es) isn’t too high.

    Early frugality and propriety in one’s finances lead to freedom; the improvident spendthrift wastrel (which I would say accurately describes most of the doctors I know) will end up working for Obama. A good lesson for an entire nation, don’t you think?

  20. doctors and Obamacare – the obvious answer is to pull their wagons in a circle, agree to take care of each others’ families, and quit. Let the public treat their own damned heart failure and broken bones.

    I couldn’t blame them if they did. I’m actually worried about my two little princesses now entering the field. Hope they’ll treat the old man for cheap. Both said they wouldn’t. Little twits. 😆

    I think doctors will ultimately solve this fiasco. I think enough of them are going to do just that – give a big F.U. to politicians and work for cash or not work at all. Maybe they’ll stiff the loan program too.

    The doctors the general public will be left with the advent of Blamocare will be the butchers and other lessers – Nurse Ratched types.

    Obamacare has only one guarantee – it assures we are going to have a two-tiered healthcare system.

  21. From each according to their abilities; to each according to their needs. What could go wrong? All that matters is a willing press and a belief in one’s own good intentions.

  22. The “evil liberal media” nips undermine your composition, R. The implication is of course that you don’t believe it to be so. But it is so.

    Also, Obama defenders aren’t “splitting hairs.” They are lying too.

    It’s a big fucking lie.

    And it was accomplished with lies as it would not have been accomplished without them. Lies and tricks, courtesy Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. Real sleezeball stuff. Not “misguided” for the rulebook clearly guides that the ends justifies the means, and the sheep bleat that their hearts were in the right place. And racism.

  23. When you know better or have the means of obtaining the truth and go against it anyway, you are not well-intentioned. You are self-interested.

  24. “Because the Republicans were obstructionists and wanted Obama to fail.”

    No prophecy needed Tex. The libs are already saying it on the premise that if more Republican run states had been willing to put up their own exchange web sites there would have been less burden on the Federal one.

    I’m not endorsing this theory, just reporting it.

  25. “Only those making $250,000 per year or more are being “asked to pay a little more.”

    Hahahahhohohohoheeheeheeheehee!!

    Dems — the party of accountability.

  26. “The “evil liberal media” nips undermine your composition, R. The implication is of course that you don’t believe it to be so. But it is so.”

    You inferred incorrectly. I do believe that it is so. The “evil” comment was a dig at conservatives (many on this very blog) who fault liberals with ill intent and cite the mainstream media as their accomplices.

    If I didn’t believe the reporting to be true I would not have condemned Obama for lying in the first place.

  27. I’m beginning to want Sibelius’s head on a platter. And the dumb twit who wouldn’t tell Congress yesterday how many folks have enrolled. She kept stone walling.

  28. But do agree that the lies, cover-ups and media complicity was all done with good intent. 🙄 It’s for our own good. Obama said so!

  29. Oh, arsonists, terrorists, child murderers too.

    I love that you think so highly of yourself.

    You are one deluded dude, R. Truly.

  30. Why? I thought it was just business as usual in the IT world that laymen like myself don’t understand. You know, making the plebs, by force of fed law, sign into a compromised website, their security and time be damned.

    What an indictment of your beloved Nanny for all to see. Wow.

  31. Do you think the fact that their was no bidding process was due to that inherent goodness that is found in liberalism?

    R, how about Solyndra. You never cared that much about that one. Obama hooking politically connected rich guys up to make them richer. No big deal. The guy who works his ass off on his landscaping company doesn’t mind his blood and sweat paying for Obama’s friends to enrich themselves. No big deal at all…that’s the ticket. Liberals are good and kind and dreamers and black and for the little g….OK….so you really aren’t for the little guy….but you know what I’m saying.

  32. Oh, thank God. Both Sebelius and Obama took responsibility for the debacle. We are now unshackled from the blame laid to date on the insurance companies, the contractors, the press and the republicans. Phew! As R taught us, Obama isn’t going to fire himself.

  33. Much as many Christians cheapen grace by then thinking that absolves them of any responsibility for their bad behavior, Obama, Sebelius and Clinton have made a mockery of “taking responsibility.”

    They don’t have to mean it – just say it, and all is well.

    ** VOMIT **

  34. And don’t forget Tex, they’re as mad about it as anyone — just like all of the other nothing burgers that are no longer mentioned.

  35. Quick question for Obama, Clinton, and Gilligan.

    When you say “I’m responsible for this” or “I take full responsibility for this” – WHAT DO YOU MEAN EXACTLY?!

  36. “When the Unaffordable Health Care Act is finally proven a colossal failure, the excuse you will hear will be:

    Because the Republicans were obstructionists and wanted Obama to fail.

    There will be no admission of failure by the Left.”

    What there will be, however, is a major push to replace the ACA with single-payer…which was the plan all along.

    This big fucking deal was never intended to work…which is why it was never read before it was passed.

  37. I haven’t heard any insurance companies complaining about this boondoggle. Maybe the 20 percent profit mandate in this act has them banking on exploding costs. I’ve worked these cost plus gigs before. Someone’s got a sweet deal.

  38. “I shouldn’t rib. It’s true. Guys like me are the racists, anarchist, misogynists and should be crushed.”

    I really don’t think you’re a racist or misogynist but I do wonder from time to time if you’re an anarchist.

    Government can do no right in your opinion so I have to wonder what you think the proper role of government is.

    Chris Matthews is wrong about a lot of stuff but I think he makes a good point when he asks how someone like Ted Cruz can talk about “real Americans” when he doesn’t want to participate in the government in the manner that the founders framed it.

  39. “What there will be, however, is a major push to replace the ACA with single-payer…which was the plan all along.”

    But that push will go nowhere. As Alfie correctly pointed out, once commerce has their fingers in it they won’t let go. Profit rules the day. True liberals should be incensed at Obama for screwing the pooch on day one.

    There will NEVER be single payer.

  40. “He sent more people to lynch George Zimmerman than he did to help Chris Stevens and his staff.”

    You’re such a drama queen.

    It should semi-satisfy you that 60 Minutes did a Benghazi story this past Sunday that was damning. They just didn’t go far and deep enough.

    I predict the GOP may be able to make Benghazi the stake through Hillary’s heart in 2016.

  41. “I really don’t think you’re a racist or misogynist but I do wonder from time to time if you’re an anarchist.”

    And I’m the drama queen?

    Marxist puhleeeeze.

  42. I predict the GOP may be able to make Benghazi the stake through Hillary’s heart in 2016.

    I would be shocked if it does, “R”. I’m convinced the majority of this country could care less about anything but more free stuff. If there is one word I can apply to the Left anymore besides amoral, it would be “covet.”

    It’s the reason this country is in serious decline. Your side won…and I don’t think the America I knew is ever coming back.

    “The Left is so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville (paraphrased)

  43. “As Alfie correctly pointed out, once commerce has their fingers in it they won’t let go. Profit rules the day.”

    I’ll let Alfie speak for himself. But it’s government involvement in commerce that’s the problem, Wing-Ding.

    And since the government is motivated by nothing but power and largess for its own sake, nothing deters it from letting go no — matter how colossal the pooch-screwing.

    As someone smarter than me said (which could be anyone), going to single-payer is like hiring the drunk plumber that flooded your basement to level and rebuild your house as a fix.

    Your love of government control is childish and frightening, particularly after the Great and Powerful Oz has had the curtain pulled back for 5 years and you’re willing to ignore it so sure there’s a replacement to carry out bring you all your heart desires.

    We’ll love you through this. Just kidding.

    Smooch! 😆

  44. Also, why do you align me with Cruz and the debt debate? Not that I don’t “get him,” you’ve said or alluded to it several times without support.

    It’s like your weird racists allegations when I first came here and later claims that I love big oppressive business and the work environment it creates even after I sent you a detailed email to set you straight.

    Oh well. You’ve never been good at reading or retaining much of what the anarchists say around here, always preferring a caricature instead.

  45. There’s no call to arms there PF. That’s going to be R’s script for single-payer as the solution to his incompetent cohorts problems. More of it.

  46. “It should semi-satisfy you that 60 Minutes did a Benghazi story this past Sunday that was damning. They just didn’t go far and deep enough.

    I predict the GOP may be able to make Benghazi the stake through Hillary’s heart in 2016.”

    Not at all, my easily-lead Propaganda-Consuming Sucka.

    This came out along with tingle-toggle Matthews scoop on the story well over a year after it happened and following the election for a reason fool. The strategy that the liberal media is playing along with is get it out early so people it will become old news and people will move on or forget.

    You don’t get that? Geeze. The strategy is kinda obvious Inspector Clouseau.

  47. On Wednesday, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius testified before Congress about the continuing issues with the rollout of Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges. “Hold me accountable for the debacle,” said Sebelius. “I’m responsible.” I attended the hearing, and I was struck by the scope, scale, and depth of the health law’s problems, problems that far exceed any one political appointee. But Obamacare’s disruption of the existing health insurance market—a disruption codified in law, and known to the administration—is only just beginning. And it’s far broader than recent media coverage has implied. […]

    Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

    “The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34552. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and get canceled. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

    Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and get canceled, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market. (Plans purchased after March 23, 2010 do not benefit from the “grandfather” clause.) The real turnover rate would be higher, because plans can lose their grandfather status for a number of other reasons.

    How many people are exposed to these problems? 60 percent of Americans have private-sector health insurance—precisely the number that Jay Carney dismissed. As to the number of people facing cancellations, 51 percent of the employer-based market plus 53.5 percent of the non-group market (the middle of the administration’s range) amounts to 93 million Americans.

  48. Ouch!!! Man, that hurt to watch that video. I guess hand protection wasn’t near as critical as head gear would have been. I’ll think twice about shooting at champagne bottles.

  49. Man, that did look like it hurt, didn’t it. Like Goliath, Mr. Slingshot learned a hard physics lesson called “Impulse.” 😈

    I kept wondering why my friend had sent that to me about half way through, because my friend is always twisted.

  50. Government can do no right in your opinion so I have to wonder what you think the proper role of government is.

    There is very little it does right. Even when you talk about its enumerated powers, such as delivering the mail, it has trouble doing it right, as Fed Ex and UPS have demonstrated. But at least if it stuck to its enumerated powers and didn’t continually branch out into every aspect of life, where its institutional incompetence cannot help but to become painfully obvious, detrimental to the public it serves, and yes, directly harmful.

  51. Seems a long, long time ago. How about these empty words from the even emptier suit? 😈

    The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment – this was the time – when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals.

    Knowing what we know now, doesn’t make the daily bile of Obama talk even more bitter….

  52. This isn’t a new story, just revisited. I missed it the first time, but find it quite inspiring and hopefully spreads. They couldn’t afford to support the football program and keep the school open and were at critical moment and got inspired to farm. Now they wouldn’t trade the farm and it has made the school profitable and inspired many. Good story.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf–how-one-small-texas-college-made-money-by-saying-no-to-football-065751785.html

    What if we took the district of columbia and plowed it up and planted it so as to produce something of value, nation for a change, change we could ALL live with. We could leave the monuments, I suppose.

  53. What if we took the district of columbia and plowed it up and planted it so as to produce something of value, nation for a change, change we could ALL live with

    Did you take a blow to the head recently? Or maybe I did. You’ve been providing some real jewels lately. Fabulous idea. We can start by plowing up First Wookie’s vegetable garden over the septic tank. 😈

    I always kind of laugh at my home state’s infatuation with football. I think it was George Lynn Cross, OU’s president from 1943 to 1968, once told the Oklahoma Senate,

    “I want a university the football team can be proud of.”

  54. Honestly, I can’t stand to listen to politicians anymore. Canned bullshit and lots of one-upmanship. Even when they apologize, it comes off pathetic and shallow. I think real-time communications have doused much of the mystique formerly associated with the ruling class. Real people have no place among these paper giants.

  55. “You’re such a drama queen.”

    A drama queen? Over 4 dead people?

    Dude…fuck off…seriously.

    Your fucking president left those people to die while he went to a fucking fundraiser in Vegas. Then he lied his ass off to their families about why it happened. Then we got told none of that matters…while it obviously does because it continues to be one of the biggest coverups of this administration.

    Put yourself in their shoes, Mr. I-belong-to-the-party-that-thinks-with-its-heart.

    Picture yourself as a father who just lost a son in this nothing-burger.

    Picture yourself standing next to his flag-draped coffin being told a lie about why it happened.

    Picture yourself in the moment you found out Obama did virtually NOTHING to try and save your son.

    I dare you.

    And then tell me what a drama queen I am, hardass

  56. “And I’m the drama queen?

    Marxist puhleeeeze.”

    😆 😆 😆 I don’t know why but that really cracked me up.

    You may not like it Tigre but you are my brotha from anotha motha. LOL

  57. ” I’m convinced the majority of this country could care less about anything but more free stuff.”

    I’m convinced you’re wrong. Your problem is you took the wrong lessons from Romney’s defeat. Obama was a vulnerable candidate. The GOP put up against him a man who got overheard saying that pro-Obama people were shiftless and lazy. A full 47% of them. That’s not America.

    Most folks get pride from a job well done. It’s also true most folks don’t like their job but that’s another story.

    I am convinced there is a way to sell conservative principles (economic, not social) that would be popular with the masses. You boys laugh at me but the GOP needs me. I could frame their agenda in a way that could sell.

    Heck it may be the idea for an entire new blog. 😉

  58. “I think real-time communications have doused much of the mystique formerly associated with the ruling class. Real people have no place among these paper giants.” Poolman

    I agree. I’m lucky enough to have seen real leadership before. I saw it a couple times in the military. I saw it once in education. Hell….my high-school baseball coach ranks up there.

    These fucking weirdos really are paper giants. Something off with almost all of them.

    I can’t always put my finger on what it is. But it is there.

    We need people not afraid to lose upon reelection. People not afraid to join the rest of us. To the people who say that’s impossible, democracy is the worst political system except for all the rest, sausage making etc. I say bull shit. There are men coming back in boxes. Men giving their lives in service to this country. Doesn’t matter if they are motivated by the buddy next to them or for love of country. Its service they give their lives for. And all were asking for is a little honesty after a week or so of getting your ass kissed everywhere you go in DC.

    Obama needs to be turned on by his own and turned on fiercely. Nobody should be able to get away with treating us like North Korean serfs. To disrespect us so much, to have no fear of us what so ever, for the sake of political expediency…sick.

    Obama’s lies aren’t even in the tradition of lying to us for our own good. They exist simply to win partisan battles or elections.

    There is absolutely no reason the very people Obama swears an oath to protect should be subjected to a website known to be literally dangerous not to mention broken. Every single person who is stuck in that system or has their insurance canceled is a casualty.

    When the lies are so big and so serious, he does irreparable damage to American culture. Yes, I believe it actually hurts our culture.

    A bait and switch on top of how dirty it was all passed? No fear. None.

    If Romney is wrong about 47% of this country, Obama sure doesn’t think so.

    He treats us like fools. It scares the shit out of me that he can.

  59. DR, what is off about them is that politics is fexperie ugly people.

    What is wrong is we have provided a lucrative sinecure for people who in too many cases are neither smart or particularly capable who have realized that it actually beats working for a living. And until we change that by making it less lucrative or by demanding more skills, experience, intellect, wisdom, and capability.

  60. I don’t agree with you, Rutherford. It’s free stuff. And much of it is directed not to minorities, many that get the crumbs, but an awfully lot of white trash and limousine liberals living off the dole.

    Mitt Romney was infinitely more qualified than this shiftless piece of shit and bystander leading our country. You deny it, you’re equally as dishonest as Barack Obama. You better wake up to the fact our government incompetent – since they have no accountability, they can be as stupid as they want to be. And with half the country brain dead, they don’t know better either. That’s why Barack Obama is President.

    Either Obama is a colossal liar (likely), or so grossly inept, he has no idea what is going on (also likely). Either disqualifies him as President. He’s far more incompetent than Jimmy Carter ever dreamed of being.

    And I believe I could prove it when I’m not tired.

    Tonight, I hid the dark house – no more handing out candy anymore, as they ship kids into my neighborhood on buses – that’s no shit; buses.

    Don’t ask me why. We’re a middle class neighborhood. Must be the generous elderly neighbors. Couple of years ago, Mrs. Taylor and my youngest daughter handed out Snickers. We had kids lined down our sidewalk, many who acted like animals. I’ll bet we handed out over 200 Snickers bars, as I had to go get more by 8:00 PM.

    As I hid in the dark tonight, I wondered if the animals were going to toss a couple of Molotov cocktails at the house for not handing out the Snickers this year…

  61. P.S. – I didn’t add that I picked Snickers wrappers out of our flower garden all winter which was stomped to hell, along with the broken Malibu Light – which I couldn’t find a replacement and got to purchase six new matching ones. And that also pissed me off. These weren’t small, cute children either. Teenage Animals.

    I should have handed out Snicker Bars with a fine spread of dog shit smeared across the top this year.

    Here, take a bite of this Honey Boo Boo and Dawg the Bounty Hunter.

  62. Whew!! ‘Fexperie’ is one I couldn’t decipher, BiW, and google was no help there. Glad it was fake. I did have to look up sinecure, though. lol.

    Tex, we’ve not participated in Halloween for at least 30 years, since my kids were born, anyway. Now, my grandkids are a different story. They go all out every year, but generally go to specific places with their parents or other grandparents to score candy. This year they were video game characters – one a jailcat and the other a tortured soul. I have no idea what video game they’re from, but apparently the latest craze of theirs.

    We always turn lights out and close ourselves off in the back of the house until after 9, and then put everything back to normal. They come in droves here for trick or treating. Started about 5:30 tonight. Most are with adults. Thankfully, we’ve never experienced any vandalism or theft. The only candy I buy is for moi and that is rare. The stuff’s so danged expensive anymore. Also I don’t particularly like supporting the companies making the bulk of it. I do still enjoy an occasional snickers or mars bar. But the bite-sized are more wrapper than bite.

  63. Well….to counter Tex with some hope, we had the most polite and thankful kids I’ve ever seen last night. This in the capital of the “trick” on Halloween. I couldn’t believe it.

    That being said, I’ve never liked Halloween. I get an odd anxiety.

  64. I am convinced there is a way to sell conservative principles (economic, not social) that would be popular with the masses. You boys laugh at me but the GOP needs me. I could frame their agenda in a way that could sell.” – R

    Asshole, you can’t frame Obama’s issues, let alone sell them–and you’re a fricking Obama Borg. You would stand a snow ball’s chance in hell amongst a group of Conservatives because they’d smell your bullshit almost immediately. You want to know how? They’d ask hard questions and your nervous twitching and misdirections would like initiate a bloodbath.

    We repeatedly challenge you to defend the shit YOU VOTED FOR, and you fail.

    Fuck off….

  65. I don’t know if socialized medicine enriches private insurance and big pharma as Obamacare is designed to do. It does resemble communism in multiple respects. The forced nature of it and the many lies that put it in place are truly Machiavellian. This is not a liberal vs conservative battleground, as most would argue. This is freedom vs tyranny. Privatization of services and resources is NOT in the people’s best interest and has been the greatest instigator of war and ecological destruction throughout the globe. This hybrid government of ours has continued to bless and fight for corporations over persons, no matter who’s cutout is at the helm. Sure, they all have their own pet projects, but the general charge is the same.

    Our undoing began long ago, and like a relay race, both teams pass that same baton.

    You people are not faithful to God! You should know that loving what the world has is the same as hating God. So anyone who wants to be friends with this evil world becomes God’s enemy. – James

    The die may have been cast, but a lot of folks are busy retooling.

  66. The problem with ACA in US is not that it is” socialized medicine,” for it is not. Remember, people living countries that have real socialized medicine are generally very happy with their medical care, even though it has drawbacks.

    The problem with Obamacare is that it includes the very worst points of fee-for-service medicine, the worst points of socialized medicine, and almost none of the good points of either. The net result of ACA will be a two-tier system that enriches the already-rich, condemns the poor to the lower tier of limited medical care, and is prohibitively expensive.

    For example, in the new law there is no protection for doctors against the US’s world-famous rapacious medical malpractice lawsuits, yet the doctors’ pay will continue to go down and they are still expected to pay the ever-increasing costs of malpractice insurance. Doctors are smart: having looked at their futures, a record number of medical students have decided to drop out of medical school, which means more available slots, which means lower standards for medical school admission. Net result: the new crop of doctors will be a much lower quality than those of previous generations; there is no way around it.

    The Tea Party people were right (albeit for the wrong reasons) The only smart thing to do with Obamacare is Repeal and Re-Do.

  67. I’m not saying the ACA is socialized medicine. “Backdooring” meaning they put up a pawn and the pawn got the boot, foiling their strategy. For the moment.

    The administration of lost souls.

  68. Legal malpractice is not the problem. It’s a fraction of the expense of the bloated and inefficient medical care system, and you know it PF.

    The problem is costs. The left is incapable of understanding cost in the delivery of any service, public or private. The tab is always picked up by the other guy — commonly referred to as a “right.” When it’s not some other guy’s tab for the recipients services, there’s rioting in the streets.

    R laughed ta the suggestion that the government was not capable of handling “the business of insurance.”

    Yeah. Hahahahahahahahahahahah, mother fuckers. Really funny. Such insight.

    The dems lead with their hearts (whatever the fuck that self-gratifying line of shit means). And now people that were sold a bill of goods in exchange for votes are fucked. Dropped from their plans or facing imminent unemployment/layoffs. Just wait until the employer mandate takes effect. The words Hope & Change will induce nausea.

    And another thing, your “the people living countries that have real socialized medicine are generally very happy with their medical care, even though it has drawbacks” is a crock. Routine services is hardly the universe of healthcare though that is what you are likely claiming engenders acceptance of the socialized medical systems. I know plenty from European countries, including medical doctors in those systems, that tell me you’re full of shit when it comes to specialized services — the ones that really the Obama regime pretends it’s targeting.

  69. World’s “happiest” countries, by self-reporting and polls:

    #1 Denmark – socialized medicine
    #2 Norway – socialized medicine (public and private, mostly public)
    #3 Switzerland – somewhat like America – companies not allowed to make a profit on their basic plans, so heavily government regulated
    #4 Netherlands – insurance-based universal healthcare – about 100 euros a month
    #5 Sweden – socialized medicine with deductible. Private health ins available, but rarely used
    #6 Canada – socialized medicine – mostly free, publicly funded
    #7 Finland – three level, publicly funded, much smaller private system
    etc………

    US – # 17 “happiest”

  70. This is freedom vs tyranny. Privatization of services and resources is NOT in the people’s best interest and has been the greatest instigator of war and ecological destruction throughout the globe.

    I’ve never ridden on a bad toll road, bridge, or thoroughfare. Would that I could say the same for their publicly-funded counterparts.

    Public school performance vs. private school performance…no contest there.

    Government monopolies on liquor sales invaribly lead to higher prices and less choice and convenience.

    Mexico and Venazuela both own oil production, and have crumbling infrastructures that are negatively affecting state profits and production.

    I don’t see your premise working out so well here for medicine…

  71. Citations please.

    Also, “defensive medicine” is as nebulous as Obama’s “jobs saved” statistic. In any event, 2.4% ain’t the problem with double digit premium increases in coverage.

  72. Well….to counter Tex with some hope, we had the most polite and thankful kids I’ve ever seen last night. This in the capital of the “trick” on Halloween. I couldn’t believe it.

    Well now in fairness to moi, would your kids have been as polite and thankful had they been shipped in from Inner city Flint, MI? 🙂

  73. #91 was a superior ass stomping even by my bomb throwing standards. Nothing warms my cockles like a well placed kick to the nerts wearing the steel-toed boot of any abjectly stupid statement made by a drone.

    Well done, Gorilla; well done. 😈

  74. I will tell you, I find a lot of these comparisons to the Netherlands, and Switzerland, and Denmark to be pretty specious.

    Not that I disagree with your stuff, “Parker,” as I saw that too and I believe the ratings.

    But the reason I believe the comparisons to be specious is those countries listed don’t carry the same degree of risk or relevancy that the United States does. First off, they are damn near homogeneous which in itself makes things far more governable and manageable. That is kind of what started this whole urban sprawl thing.

    There’s a risk and a cost associated with this blending of culture that the United States represents. It’s like when they measure who is happiest in the United States and the Quakers and Mennonites lead the ticket. That’s probably true – but they are also isolated and don’t bear the brunt or the responsibility of others problems.

    If I could associate only with people of like mind, I am sure my life would be a lot simpler too – and at least to a degree I do now and am perhaps more content in doing so, the offset being I’m poorer for it too.

  75. 17 happiest is pretty amazing considering our population and demographics.

    I agree with Tex. After living in Scandinavia for a couple years, you realize they are nothing but Hobbit Shires. Mordor is far, far a way.

  76. Medical care “happiness” – Gallup Study: People Happier With Universal Health Coverage

    Gallup studied the 30 countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development and found that people in the 22 countries that offer universal health coverage were happier with their care than people in the eight countries that don’t.

    OECD nations with universal care reported 79 percent happiness with the availability of quality health care in their communities, compared to 66 percent in countries without universal health coverage.

    In addition, 73 percent of people in OECD countries with universal care reported confidence in their national health care system, while 60 percent expressed confidence in countries without universal health care.

    Financial Impact of Current US System – From ACP Internist:

    “Sicker adults in the U.S. were the most likely to have problems paying medical bills. More than 42% reported not visiting a doctor, not filling a prescription, skipping doses or not getting recommended care. U.S. rates of forgone care because of cost were at least double the rates in every other country except Australia, New Zealand, and Germany.

    Also in the U.S., 27% said they could not pay or had serious problems paying medical bills, compared with between 1% and 14% of adults in the other 10 countries. And, 36% spent more than $1,000 on medical costs, compared with fewer than 10% in France, Sweden, and the U.K., the countries with the lowest rates.”

    Care to comment, Rutherford?

  77. #91 was a superior ass stomping even by my bomb throwing standards. Nothing warms my cockles like a well placed kick to the nerts wearing the steel-toed boot of any abjectly stupid statement made by a drone.
    Well done, Gorilla; well done. 😈

    I was laughing my ass off when I read that this morning.

  78. “Sicker adults in the U.S. were the most likely to have problems paying medical bills. More than 42% reported not visiting a doctor, not filling a prescription, skipping doses or not getting recommended care. U.S. rates of forgone care because of cost were at least double the rates in every other country except Australia, New Zealand, and Germany.

    Of course, one of the factors bearing direct impact on US prescription costs is that the US market subsidizes the cost of R & D in bringing new drugs to market, both because of stricter testing and regulatory standards here in the US (I know many people who used to go to Canada to get prescription drugs not yet approved for sale in the US because of the longer trial and testing periods here) and because many of these socialist paradises refuse to pay the real cost of these medicines, and only extort lower prices subsidized by the US because they threaten to make their own without recognition of US pharmaceutical manufacturers intellectual property in these drugs.

    The lesson which should be obvious to you, but apparently isn’t is that nothing that is “socialized” can work unless someone else pays the real cost. (And that even though we weren’t in a socialized system here, socialism still managed to cause us to get screwed.)

  79. I’ve never ridden on a bad toll road, bridge, or thoroughfare. Would that I could say the same for their publicly-funded counterparts.

    I’d could say you haven’t gotten around much, but that might come off as a bit rude. I think you mean ‘publicly maintained’ counterparts. Toll roads are a public-private enterprise, often only privately maintained. Try driving on one without proper state licensing/registration and/or approved (private) insurance and see whom it is that objects.

    A month ago I went from Riverside to Laguna Beach using toll roads and traveled back using public roads. Both get you to where you are going, the toll roads saved a few miles and were a little less crowded. We figured it cost us 4 dollars more going, taking into account the fees and gas usage. One stretch was almost as nice as our AZ highways. Coming back, I noticed they had a few ‘fast pass’ lanes in some public freeways for folks that like paying extra for the convenience of traveling with less traffic. I guess that would be more or less like first class on a commercial airline. These roads are built with public monies using private road contractors and usually federally funded. We operators/drivers pay toward road taxes, both federal and state, when we buy gas and oil in addition to our annual vehicle licensing and registration fees.

    When I was younger, Texas roads were superior and all were publicly maintained. As soon as you hit the state line the roads were obviously inferior and less maintained. I was told it had to do with federal funding and that based on what the states took in from vehicle registrations.

    I also have driven on the PA and NJ turnpikes and was not impressed with how they were maintained. It may be different in Washington. Regardless, the interstate system was a federal accomplishment using private construction companies.

    Public school performance vs. private school performance…no contest there.

    I don’t think there is a consistent record in terms of performance. Some private schools excel while others fall behind and the methods of determining which systems are the most successful vary. If you measure success by percentage of students that graduate, then private schools win. As a rule, private schools cost more since most property taxes fund public education regardless of whether the owners utilize them or not. Vouchers are supposed to remedy that. Whether they do or not, I am unsure. I don’t have a lot of knowledge there. Granted, our public school system is a mess, and there are many reasons for it. Overpaid administrative heavy districts, focus on passing tests rather than learning disciplines or skills, disciplinary problems, truancy issues, drugs, sex, etc. Rabbit could provide a better critique. Ultimately it is the quality of the teacher and their ability to teach and engage each student. We have plenty of charter schools here that have proven successful. These are private institutions that are publicly funded. But every school needs to attract good teachers and sometimes private institutions don’t offer the same benefits.

    But let’s look at what public schools are doing nowadays. Much has changed since I did attend. Now, they contract out lunch and vendor services to private firms. They contract out bus services to private firms. They contact out building and grounds maintenance to private firms. They contract out security to private firms. Textbooks are purchased from private firms. The teachers send out a wish list at the beginning of the term requesting supplies from their students so the classrooms are fully functional.

    Government monopolies on liquor sales invaribly lead to higher prices and less choice and convenience.

    I really don’t know anything about this. Taxes on liquor and licenses for establishments to sell liquor are very steep. That I know as I have friends that own restaurants/bars. Adding to that, the legalization of liquor came with an entire bureaucracy to govern it. The cost of alcohol on our society is far-reaching and difficult to measure. One can still make alcohol at home as long as it isn’t sold to the public. I don’t think the government should regulate it.

    Mexico and Venazuela both own oil production, and have crumbling infrastructures that are negatively affecting state profits and production.

    I think our own infrastructure is crumbling despite production being at an all-time high and our oil industry mostly privately owned. That was evident after the Gulf oil spill when it was revealed the oil coming out of our wells was going overseas and not benefiting us. We just got stuck with the mess along with plenty of hand washing and cover-up. Both Mexico and Venezuela are rife with corruption, no doubt. Mexico funds 30 percent of its national budget from oil. It’s trying to lure private enterprise to drill for shale oil, but wants to retain ownership rights. Venezuela provided its citizens with cheap gas and the entire oil industry was a political platform for Hugo Chavez. Now, after Chavez, it is floundering and its future unsure. I just read where they seized 2 American owned rigs that were idle due to the Venezuelan government a couple months behind on leases.
    As for medicine, I find the system has become too clinical and unmanageable. There are too many hands in the pie. Doctors just want to practice medicine. They aren’t interested in the rest of the red tape that has been wrapped around the practice. It’s become bogged down in politics and legal obstacles.
    In any case, the marriage between private business and government has had some success, but often (if not always) leads to corruption and it definitely costs all of us more money. Simple math proves it. Private industry builds in profit, whereas government should only care about true costs. The bigger pool gets a better rate works in theory. Of course we know that isn’t how it works in the real world with real governments. None of these operate as they are described on paper. We hear all about the no bid contracts and the collusion and graft that dominates these spheres. Like $400 toilet seats, private business actually made those and we all bought them. It isn’t like the government manufactures anything tangible. And we know it does play favorites. There is plenty of “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours.” The good ole boy network. Heck, look to the military. Take away private industry and what’s left? There’s plenty of money in making and sustaining war. Many profit from it. How’s that a good thing? Maybe a simple review of the definition of the word ‘defense’ is in order. Might be why we’re seen as so offensive to the rest of the world.

    This is long, so I’ll quit now and hopefully when I hit post and read it, it all will make sense…

  80. “You don’t get that? Geeze. The strategy is kinda obvious Inspector Clouseau.”

    The beauty of video Sir is that nothing dies. By 2016 the GOP can put “what difference does it make?” on endless loop and with the passage of time strip all context from the comment for the dumb American consumer. And that is the EASY path.

    The tougher but more effective path is playing on endless loop a tape of deputy diplomat saying, and I paraphrase, “they didn’t have our back. I don’t think that has ever happened before”.

    If you don’t think Benghazi is going to rear it’s ugly head if Hillary runs then it is you who is Clouseau about strategy.

  81. I think our own infrastructure is crumbling despite production being at an all-time high and our oil industry mostly privately owned. That was evident after the Gulf oil spill when it was revealed the oil coming out of our wells was going overseas and not benefiting us.

    If they never sold a gallon in the U.S., it would still benefit us. Has to be refined and we do that better than anyone – especially Venezuelan shit, which the Chinese refineries choke on.

    And those are high paying jobs – real jobs. The kind of jobs in which Barack ‘Part-Time’ Obama unfamiliar.

  82. Benghazi will rear its ugly head if Hillary runs?

    Your compassion is underwhelming. Besides, Benghazi hasn’t gone away just because the Rhodes scholar isn’t curious.

  83. “Even when you talk about its enumerated powers, such as delivering the mail, it has trouble doing it right.”

    BiC explain success here please. Do you mean effectiveness or financial solvency? If you mean the former then you’re really full of it. For less than 50 cents I can put a letter in the mail and be reasonably sure it will reach its destination within 3 days just about anywhere in the country. Sounds like a decent deal to me.

    Anecdotally, in my lifetime I can count ONE letter that did not reach its destination. That letter was a beautifully written letter from my Dad sent to me at summer camp informing me my Aunt Faith had died. I did get the more blunt follow up from my Mom starting “as you know your aunt Faith is dead.” The letter from my Dad boomeranged back to our home several weeks after I returned from summer camp. It’s the only instance in 52 years of living that the US Postal service let me down. Not a bad track record.

    If you’re referring to solvency one of the major reasons it fails is ridiculous govt self inflicted regulation that demands they “pay forward” for employee pensions forcing them to set aside what could be working capital.

    So please “enumerate” for me the many ways in which the US Postal system is a failure.

  84. Very interesting segment on “Shark Tank” tonight. Fella came on with a device that more efficiently irrigates trees. When asked why he sold it for so little, he replied “I’m selling to farmers and this price gives me all the profit I need” (my paraphrase).

    Imagine that. A businessman who is willing to put his greed in check to give his customers, WHO HE CARES ABOUT, a price they can afford.

    I was pleased that he got a deal.

    THAT is my vision of America.

  85. “As I hid in the dark tonight, ,,,”

    Holy shit. I used to do that when I was a bachelor. Felt guilty about it too but I just didn’t want to be bothered. Not that all that many kids knocked on the door of the strange looking disabled guy to begin with … or even knew I existed.

  86. “nothing that is “socialized” can work unless someone else pays the real cost.”

    A statement of the obvious. Everything has to be paid for, and the ultimate payor is, of course, the person who works and produces a good or service. That is the foundation of economics – each producer does the job at which he is efficient, and trades his work (through the medium of money) for the work product of another who is more efficient at making THAT product. Everybody wins.

    As for medical care, the two pure models for paying for medical care are: strict fee-for-service, in which the medical providers accept money from the patient directly, with no intermediaries such as government or insurers, and: strict socialization, in which everybody throws his money in a bucket in the form of taxes and the providers are paid out of that bucket. US (and most everybody else) currently has a hybrid form, with some citizens pooling their money and giving it to insurance companies, who dole it out on their behalf. Others pool their money with the government, who doles it out. Some payors overpay; some pay appropriate to their use of medical care; some pay none, but of course over time (net money in) = (net money out), and everything eventually has to be paid for by somebody. In US case, because of massive borrowing, it’s the boomers’ children, but that’s another topic…

    Some things most everybody agrees the government does better than private enterprise – military is the best example. Most things they do not. The current US system for paying for healthcare is absolutely unworkable. Obamacare is unworkable. The question is, what do the people want? And if the answer is socialized medicine, are they willing to make the choices required? But no matter what, the decision will be forced on you, because the current system is not sustainable.

  87. “Check out this photograph. I think it’s for real. LOL!”

    I think someone handed her the book and the picture was taken at the perfect moment.

    The icing on the cake are the looks on the faces of the guy sitting right there and the lady standing behind him. He’s looking at Sebelius like “God you’re a dumb bitch” and the woman is like “Help me please, this royally sucks being here right now.”

    ———————-

    “If you don’t think Benghazi is going to rear it’s ugly head if Hillary runs then it is you who is Clouseau about strategy.”

    I’m sure Candy Crowley or some other debate “moderator” will save her sorry ass on Benghazi, just like they saved Obama’s sorry ass on it. By election time nobody cared that Barry went off to a Vegas fundraiser while the place was still smouldering. Nobody cared that he was a lying piece of garbage. Nobody cared that he threw some poor sap in jail over a video he blamed for the whole thing.

    Its a big nothing-burger. A GOP witch hunt. Anyone who brings it up is a drama queen….remember?

    None of you gave a damn about Benghazi when it happened and none of you gives a damn about it now. So why would of you give a damn about it 3 years from now?

    What difference at this point does it make?

  88. If they never sold a gallon in the U.S., it would still benefit us. Has to be refined and we do that better than anyone – especially Venezuelan shit, which the Chinese refineries choke on.

    Not for long, Kemosabe…

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/saudi-arabia-and-china-team-up-to-build-a-gigantic-new-oil-refinery-is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-petrodollar

    They also seem to be the ones benefiting the most from the all new ‘liberated’ Iraq…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/middleeast/china-reaps-biggest-benefits-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

    The season of American exceptionalism is apparently waning. Brush up on your Mandarin, I’d suggest.

  89. Not for long, Kemosabe…

    Except at least in the case of Venezuela, there’s one thing a refinery can’t overcome: The Pacific Ocean. 🙂 Ever try shipping 20,000 barrels around the world? Ain’t cheap….

    But all the more reason to get rid of feckless Obama and get to becoming energy independent – the means are now about there.

    Ironic the very industries Obama has demonized most, medicine and petroleum, are the very ones keeping his leaking economic ship afloat.

  90. According to Twitchy, Fox reporter Jim Angle called the ObamaCare line from an unlisted number with his personal cell as his phone. Angle asked questions. The operator refused and said he appeared to be with the media.

    An advanced resolution specialist will call him in two.to five business days.Now that is creepy.

    We just returned from three days in the Norwegian part of northeast Iowa where they speak with a Wisconsin accent. The curator at a Norwegian history museum said many Norwegians call others “yanks” as Mexicans call us “anglos.”

    The way things are going we might see a similar demarcation with our calling ourselves Americans and Obmaites something else.

  91. I still care about Benghazi, and I hope it dogs Hillary should she run for president. She and the president deserve our scorn. The news media which ignored the story should be banned from the news industry. It won’t happen until the ignorant and dependent suffer real pain.

  92. Sinopec is Aramco biggest buyer the joint venture refinery is not really all that remarkable. Failure to appreciate two global realities re China are at play here. First China needs resources to float its economy it has been looking for ways to do so for some time. Second is that secondary to our Pacific Pivot China is looking west to the Stan’s and ME. The irony is yummy.
    Another thing regards China on the global stage is that it supports its domestic economy via international infrastructure programs. In many cases this is done to Beijings win win advantage,see roads and hospitals in Africa and the various petro projects in the Red Sea region. In other cases they just so it for straight cash,see MLK memorial and the new Bay bridge in CA.
    Not for nothing but the USA petro economy is sound as it has long ago established itself on the international stage.

  93. Well although I think Rutherford was wrong in at least 50% of his earlier comment I don’t think G hit the grand slam others feel . I think the best real world examples of this can be seen in the VA Gov race and Texas. In VA you have a guy throttling a single social issue with a tone that is going to see him crushed and cost others in other races. In Texas you have an even better case. The economic policies have had an excellent track record. Texas has an economy that outmatched a number of countries let alone states . On the flip side the abortion law that is in effect pending appeals makes Perry look like a Neanderthal douche and makes a mockery of the state.

  94. I agree about Benghazi, but I think if Obamacare or the economy hurts enough people they may be angry enough to reject Hillary etc.In that way, she would be indirectly punished. It is an outside chance wouldn’t bet the farm on.

    I agree about Texas and Virginia too, but I can hope.

    “Can’t Lie to Me” Jasmine Kara

  95. And not an NSA fan but are some of the folks here that voiced pro Snowden lines still happy with him? I hear he has been offered a job with the Russia domestic version knockoff of Facebook.
    Putin holds him up as a martyr and bitches about the USA as being scumbags,which recent new revelations (how revealing to the honest idk) about Europe eavesdropping by the NSA yet is there any doubt that the FSB is all up in peoples shit on European and Russia web/tel/data sources?!

  96. Gang, the kids are the least of our problems on Halloween. On the job Thursday night I talked to several clearly unhinged people. I never believed it before but Halloween really brings out the crazy in some folks.

  97. “Fuck off …”

    Same back at ya asshole.

    P.S. Since more than one of you have told me to fuck off recently, let me clarify my comment was aimed at Gorilla. 🙂

  98. re 136, the tin foil hat brigade is not a hundred percent on Snowden (really they aren’t on anything), but saner crazies claim he’s sincere but been snowed by greenwald/the guardian. Right now, he is an interesting acquisition chess piece that vlad will definitely exploit for political purpose.

  99. re 138, Rutherford, until you acknowledge there is a spiritual dimension, these things will only seem to be strange coincidences that are quickly brushed off as you resume your daily rituals in the ‘real’ world. Folks that believe in that ‘other’ dimension are aware that certain days and seasons and places manifest stronger presence of both evil and good. Call in religion, but actually it’s faith, which is not something that can be weighed with physical scales. The tangible untangibles…

  100. I was waiting for him to tell us what war he was busy attending to during his extended absence. I hadn’t heard yet if we officially declared war on incoming asteroids.

  101. Alfie, re 137, I only got this far…

    It is everything Occupy Wall Street hoped to become, and the MSM did everything possible to make OWS flourish.

    …before bailing. Actually I scanned a little more, but this part was so wrong I didn’t think I could glean any wisdom from it.

    Occupy was/is just a phase/face of a much larger, mostly underground movement. The tea party is significant and mainstream, but is a mixed bag. It serves more to divide the GOP rather than define a new paradigm. Ben Swann has a handle on it.

  102. In Texas you have an even better case. The economic policies have had an excellent track record. Texas has an economy that outmatched a number of countries let alone states . On the flip side the abortion law that is in effect pending appeals makes Perry look like a Neanderthal douche and makes a mockery of the state.

    Alfie, with all due respect because you and I are long term net buddies, I don’t think Massachusetts representative of the South or you have a pulse on the State of Texas. Most there aren’t abortion on demand proponents like that Gomorrah you live in. No personal shot at you, but Massachusetts is home to a murderer and drunk for Senator many times over. Then we’ve Liz Warren, a lying piece of shit for the current Senator. Sorry, but Massachusetts is corrupt to the core and Obama country.

    Wasn’t Texas letting the feds march through their home like a police state while the citizens cowered in the corner. Neanderthal or not, that wouldn’t be allowed around here.

    The vote in Texas for governor won’t be close.

  103. Enjoy while the throngs suck your cock Gorilla. Doesn’t change the fact you’re an asshole (at least lately).

    Do you forgive me? Do I need to stroke you? I haven’t told you to fuck off recently? 🙂

  104. I think the most insidious part of the Unaffordable HealthCare Act is there is no legal recourse for those who are injured by this fraud. The only recourse is relying on the same fraudulent bozos that perpetrated the fraud to begin with, being the industry is owned by the federal government bozos.

    You Cult of Obama drones ever give consideration to that when you get stiffed?

    These little “political lies” are no different than insurance scams, but in this scam you have no possible legal recourse.

    Frankly, Obama doesn’t deserve impeachment. He deserves prison time.

  105. The only recourse is relying on the same fraudulent bozos that perpetrated the fraud to begin with, being the industry is owned by the federal government bozos.

    Exactly, and not surprisingly. But I think you meant the federal government is owned by the industry. I guess really they swing both ways. 😀 I’m sure they’ll commission an internal investigation after the public (read GOP) raises a big enough stink, which really means damage control and/or cover-up. Let’s line up a few scapegoats…

    This act is one I won’t be participating in. I’d much rather pay out of pocket to a health care provider of my choice, that is, if this enactment retains any of value.

  106. I’m still happy with Snowdon

    .The Russians and our allies are doing the same, but at this point, our survival as a free republic is at stake.,

    Obama is so toxic that anything which damages him and like chemotherapy hurts the larger organizm is fine with me. Obama and his allies are destroying us as effectively as pancreatic cancer kills its host.

    Right now, Vlad gives me more confidence than Barry though both should retire.

  107. While you clarified, I think I should too. I said it, Rutherford, because you went after me personally and not what I said.

  108. Rutherford, I once wrote that I believed you were intellectually flexible and able to see the light if given the opportunity.

    I was right. You have seen the light, at least the twilight. Most people would be too weak to change ideologies which help define their identities.

  109. “Imagine that. A businessman who is willing to put his greed in check to give his customers, WHO HE CARES ABOUT, a price they can afford….THAT is my vision of America.”

    Sounds like the man whose funeral we attended this week up north. My first boss, Jack. Started with an idea and a one room store in the early 70s and built it up to the place to go for buy-one-get-one-at-50%-off all year around. His tent sales were legendary.

    He and his lovely wife put 11 children through private schools, gave them all cars for their sweet 16s, set up any of them who wanted to with their own stores as adults, put the ones who wanted to go to college through with no debt at graduation. Gave their friends (like me) jobs with decent pay and respectable raises with extra going to those who merited it. And eye-popping Christmas bonuses (I’m talking $1000 my senior year in high school).

    He got up at 4:30am every day except for one week a year when he took the wife to Aruba or some beachy place like that, and another few days when he’d get his yearly cold. He never worked a Sunday since the day he got married.

    He would come to a full stop and you could tell something was going on inside him whenever he heard the song, “The Impossible Dream.” That was Jack’s song and there wasn’t a dry eye in the packed church as soon as we heard the opening bars. .

    I don’t know about you Rutherford but I’ve had bosses numbering in the double digits and not one ever cheated me or mistreated me. One (after Jack) loaned me $5000 at 0% interest to buy a car when my $400 Datsun rust-mobile got totaled.

    One woman who hired me for my first “professional” job after college paid shitty wages and didn’t provide any health plan so I quit after a year and went straight to a competitor who won me away for a salary and bennies that made me feel like a success. I bought a brand new car on the way home from the job interview, trading in the above mentioned wheels for $500 and drove my new Honda off the lot with the sunroof open.

    I’ve always been on great terms with my bosses and for the most part overcompensated and accommodated and supported and rewarded and once or twice aborted. I took the good with the bad and reached a little higher each time I got knocked down OR lifted up.

    So I don’t know who the heck burned you so bad that you think the guy on the teevee is a rarity but there are great bosses and business owners all over the place. I know, I’ve busted my ass for plenty of them and their checks always cleared.

    So Obama can continue to bleat about fair shares and fair this and fair that and do NOTHING but help the guy on the teevee FAIL and eventually become extinct. THAT’S the America that President Big Fucking Deal is delivering.

  110. “So please “enumerate” for me the many ways in which the US Postal system is a failure.”

    I’m sorry about your lost letter Rutherford. I have a story from the days of yore too but one in which the post office came through with flying colors. How the envelope with the large uneven letters obviously penned with a child’s hand, spelling approximate and no zip code found me I’ll never know, but find me it did.

    That said I never use the post office if I can help it. They are more expensive by far than the competitors and much slower and tracking is a joke. The “window treatment” ranks up there with the DMV and shift change at the police station. The last package that arrived for me had me taking a photo of the mashed box with the fragile stickers all over it before I even opened it and sure enough the antique Luxo lamp magnifying glass was cracked. So the seller is out $27 for the cost to send it back and I got a full refund because said seller bought 3rd party insurance. Hope she gets her own refund soon because she was really nice about the whole thing.

    Not the first time they’ve broken something and my motto is – when it matters, use a different shipper. They’ve also lost more than one item of mine over the years and one showed up five months after if was sent. Five months.

  111. “I don’t think G hit the grand slam others feel.”

    Teacher’s pet. (j/k) 😉

    I’m glad as hell I don’t have to pull the lever for either one of those guys in VA but ole’ Krazy Ken is what 7 percentage points down according to RCP average and that’s with a whole 10% going to the libertarian. IMO there’s no question he should have steered clear of threatening peoples’ access to tossed salads and drive-through abortions.

    Actually re: TX I thought the standing-with-Wendy people were more concerned about having to walk farther to milk the cash cow but that’s just me.

    Speaking of – who are you voting for on Tuesday, “Parker?” Lemme guess – none of my business, right?

  112. Muffy, that world is slowly dying though enclaves will continue much as scattered organs live on in darkness after doctors declare the body dead.

    Andrew Klavan described our new world. Obama has lost what we gained in the Iraq war and wasted the lives of soldiers in
    Afghanistan to no purpose. He has alienated our German allies, the French, and even the Saudis .He plays the fool for our enemies. He has curtailed free speech by abusing powers of the IRS against his political enemies. He has spied on and persecuted journalists and encouraged the imprisonment of a video maker to serve his political goals. He has brutally weakened our economy with anti-business regulations written by the law makers who caused the recession. Now with lies and corrupt political machinations, he saddles us with an overbearing health care law that will never be worth its weight in debt and lost liberties.

    “…and when his second term is over, he can look forward to a life of making speeches to students and fawning journalists who will all be charmed into historical ignorance by what they feel is his Oscar-worthy performance as president of the United States…a narrative fostered on us by those who do not believe there is any truth to tell.”

    The Democrats held our soldiers in so little regard they were willing to let them die to win an election against Bush when they defended the “Slow Bleed.” They used the same strategy during the Sequester and the 17% government shut down. Nothing was too trivial if it inflicted pain on the American people.

    Ironically we sit back and hope marginal and ignorant supporters will feel such pain they will rise up and throw out the trash. Will no one rid us of these people, or will people like us write a few frustrated words in blogs as we say the equivalent of what Harold’s defeated solders after William the Conqueror killed Harold, as they muttered “shut up and deal.”

  113. “I’d could say you haven’t gotten around much, but that might come off as a bit rude. I think you mean ‘publicly maintained’ counterparts. Toll roads are a public-private enterprise, often only privately maintained.”

    Thank you Poolman. I was going to say something similar. You saved me the trouble.

  114. “Your compassion is underwhelming. ”

    I wasn’t attempting compassion. I was making a political statement.

    I do hope you know there are conservatives out there quite glad that Benghazi happened because it provides them ammo.

  115. “None of you gave a damn about Benghazi when it happened and none of you gives a damn about it now. So why would of you give a damn about it 3 years from now?”

    You’re missing a point. Benghazi might not sway a single hard core lib from Hillary but it might move the needle on independents and greater motivate the right, already predisposed to hate her.

  116. BiC explain success here please. Do you mean effectiveness or financial solvency? If you mean the former then you’re really full of it. For less than 50 cents I can put a letter in the mail and be reasonably sure it will reach its destination within 3 days just about anywhere in the country. Sounds like a decent deal to me.

    Not for nothing, my experience with the USPS has been different, but then I mail more than just letters. And I often have deadlines that the USPS cannot accomodate. HELLLLOOOO, Fed Ex.

    If you’re referring to solvency one of the major reasons it fails is ridiculous govt self inflicted regulation that demands they “pay forward” for employee pensions forcing them to set aside what could be working capital.

    Actually, that would one of the things they get right, unlike government, which more often than not, fails to fund the pensions, contributing to our outrageous unfunded liabilities that are not even considered when the politicians discuss the government’s liabilities.

    So please “enumerate” for me the many ways in which the US Postal system is a failure.

    Its fine if you aren’t really too concerned about when your mail reaches its destination. Or the condition that it arrives in. Or the fact that it cannot seem to budget its costs so they are in line with their expenses. Aside from those things, it is FANTASTIC!

  117. “I’d could say you haven’t gotten around much, but that might come off as a bit rude. I think you mean ‘publicly maintained’ counterparts. Toll roads are a public-private enterprise, often only privately maintained.”
    Thank you Poolman. I was going to say something similar. You saved me the trouble.

    And I could say I am Napoleon. It wouldn’t be any truer than your statement.

    The last time I drove the Mound Freeway in Detroit, I was dodging holes large enough to swallow a Fiat 500 without even a burp. Chicago was suck. St. Louis was rough road. Even here in Washingtonistan, there is a section of I-5 between Tacoma and Seattle that will rattle the fillings out of your teeth if you are in the wrong lane. And the current floating bridge construction project across Lake Washington is a study in public construction contract incompetence.

  118. Our experience with the Postal Department has been good, though we don’t usually mail packages with immediate due dates. Much of their financial insolvency comes from inflated pension plans and similar expenses.

    San Jose is another city with marginal highways in some places. Omaha is full of construction projects, because its economy is more prosperous. This area missed the worst of the recession. I’ve been on that bumpy route between Tacoma and Seattle.

  119. I’m lost on the discussion re roads. The Big Dig was all private companies with the public sector governing it. The MA turnpike is almost exclusively public sector in every aspect. The Greenville SC area has a pure private toll road that goes unused for the most part or at least back in 2007.
    Privatization of infrastructure can be successful and will come to America soon enough. Sadly it’ll come like how we were the last ” civilized” nation to outlaw child labor.

  120. Not for nothing but the USPS is pretty remarkable for what and how it does what it does. On a volume and consumer cost basis they are very good. Also contrary to some thoughts on it they do indeed use the private sector. Independent contractors move the bulk mail,the USPS uses FedEx to move mail as well. The pension issue gets the headlines but seriously it is actually a sound policy other govt. agencies should be held to,kinda like how private companies that dare have pensions do.
    Future private/public ventures with the post office could be mutually beneficial. Think DHL.

  121. “Found parts of it very telling regards the hard and soft Left views on the Tea Party. I hope Rutherford can peruse it and offer an opinion.”

    Alfie it’s an interesting article. I’m not familiar with the Hiss case except that I do recall liberals hating Nixon till the day he died for his involvement.

    I wrote a comment earlier in this thread or another about what a relief it was to go from Harvard to the more meat and potatoes world of IBM. After immersion in an intellectual environment one can begin to feel one is getting conned. Where is the substance behind all the brainy gobble-dee-gook?

    To some extent is the Tea Party a reaction to the snobbish liberal attitude that they are the smartest in the room? Perhaps.

    The problem I had and still have with the Tea Party is one of timing. Mead does not address the fact that our worst “Obama problems” got their start under George W Bush and the Tea Party was nowhere to be found. What about a Democrat, ahem black Democrat, got them suddenly so motivated to take to the streets?

    The Tea Party picked the wrong time to get pissed off and it will forever make them suspect as primarily racists.

    Mead should have addressed that instead of simply suggesting that the Tea Party was a reaction to sanctimonious holier than thou liberals, apologists for the worst among them.

  122. “While you clarified, I think I should too. I said it, Rutherford, because you went after me personally and not what I said.”

    Actually Huck I thought I called TIGRE a drama queen not you. But I’m an aging man so perhaps my memory fails me.

  123. “I was right. You have seen the light, at least the twilight. Most people would be too weak to change ideologies which help define their identities.”

    I appreciate that, James.

  124. I’ve always been pleased with the usps for regular mail. But, if it absolutely, positively, has to be there – Fedex. I prefer UPS for larger items, they just need to be well-packaged so they arrive intact. I think the usps gets a bad rap.

  125. “So I don’t know who the heck burned you so bad that you think the guy on the teevee is a rarity but there are great bosses and business owners all over the place.”

    Well some evidence of his rarity was his confusion at why the Sharks challenged his price point. “I’m selling to farmers.” You could see how his response at first confounded the VC’s and then endeared him to a few of them.

    I can count on two fingers the folks who I felt screwed me over in corporate. And one of them I think had no ill intent. There were others who didn’t like me but treated me fairly. And there were many clearly in my corner and very supportive. Hell I just said to my wife today that I probably rose too fast and made too much money too soon.

    But we need to separate individual bosses from corporations Muffy. I saw my company change dramatically for the worse and individual bosses (like me–I was in management for 7 years) had to go with the flow or quit. I don’t blame the bosses. We were soldiers. I blame the fucking generals.

  126. “I’m sorry about your lost letter Rutherford. ”

    Thanks Muffy but it has become a humorous story in our family because it so encapsulated the different styles of my Mom and Dad. My Dad careful with words to a fault and my Mom blunt to an equal fault.

    I’m truly a mix of the two.

  127. “You’re missing a point. Benghazi might not sway a single hard core lib from Hillary but it might move the needle on independents and greater motivate the right, already predisposed to hate her.”

    You’re missing the point.

    It didn’t. and it won’t.

  128. The problem I had and still have with the Tea Party is one of timing. Mead does not address the fact that our worst “Obama problems” got their start under George W Bush and the Tea Party was nowhere to be found. What about a Democrat, ahem black Democrat, got them suddenly so motivated to take to the streets?

    Either your memory is failing, or my memory is failing. What got the Tea Party rolling initially was the TARP Act – I think you’re forgetting George Bush was catching grief at the end of his 2nd term from the Tea Party, though certainly not as visible as 2009/2010 because it was nothing but a loose affiliation of fiscally conservative Republicans and Libertarians back then.

    Barack Obama appeared to be the focus for three reasons: (1) Half of TARP was managed under Obama; (2) $862 billion dollar stimulus package in the midst of a major downturn that didn’t get a single Republican House vote was passed and not popular; (3) they were smack dab in the middle of debating Obamacare.

    And it was with the introduction of items 2 and 3 that things begin to get nasty.

    You want to make it about racism because at least at the time, you couldn’t acknowledge the failure and clear direction of Barack Obama, and couldn’t accept what many of us realized before he was elected – his ‘radical transformation’ was toward the pseudo-socialist European model – a model that was failing spectacularly at the time and still failing.

    Let’s remember that Andrew Breitbart offered to pay anyone who could provide proof that the word “nigger” had been used during the most visible protest, Obamacare, was never collected. All those egregious charges of “racism” by our “great” civil rights leaders of yore were not to be found. The charges were and still are bogus and insidious.

    Add to the fact the Koch Brothers helped finance, and the Dimocratic Party had its new boogie man – previously it was Rupert Murdoch.

  129. R makes it about racism because that’s what motivated his vote for Obama. The belief that it must also be the reason that people oppose him is intellectually lazy/dishonest.

    Tex, is right. The reaction was unprecedented because the circumstances were unprecedented. I don’t know what evolution in ideology has supposedly occurred (someone please tell me, for real), so long as R clings to the liberal exploitation narrative there’s no point in discussing this with him. He doesn’t want to understand.

  130. Many followers of political movements are True Believers Eric Hoffer described. Such movements define a person’s identity. God isn’t important, but a devil is necessary to define the movement.Racism is one of the devils which turn the enemy into something evil.

    Rutherford and others are like the Baltic people after they converted to Christianity. They went home and worshiped their old gods just to be on the safe side. It is hard to abandon an ideology or religion which offered the ultimate truth.

    I give him credit for being as open minded as he is.

  131. “The last time I drove the Mound Freeway in Detroit, I was dodging holes large enough to swallow a Fiat 500 without even a burp” -BiC

    Wtf were doing driving on Mound? I know you aren’t a 60 year old Pollock willing to brave black savages for duck blood soup in Hamtramck.

    Mound is bumpy as fuck. Not a freeway. But…yeah…..you can ruin your ride.

    I think you were referring to the Davidson Freeway or something.

  132. Good example of how the Left and ultimately the Administration will spin the narrative regards health care in the USA
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/opinion/sunday/kristof-this-is-why-we-need-obamacare.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

    Summary:
    a website is something that can be fixed.
    uninsured people are “dying in the streets”
    Republicans hate Obama and are racist devils who want failure above humanity

    Nowhere does the op-ed look at affordability,corporate benefits from Obama largesse and ultimately the sustainability of entitlement programs that weaken the society.

  133. @ Tex no offense taken whatsoever. I think my comment has failed to convey my full point though.
    First my opinion isn’t based solely on being a MA resident. I spent time in San Antonio and in ’07 almost relocated to South Carolina. I also lived in Colorado. The West and South are not the mysteries to me as they are (flyover country) to some of my peers.
    My observation on Texas is what it is. In Texas Perry et al will face modest opposition but it’ll be tempered by the fact that the blue areas in the state are safe from the abortion law. The saying the Kings rule ends at the castle gates holds true today as ever and holds in TX as well. It will be further tempered that the Texas education,immigration and economic policies are very pro Texas,all of Texas. Nothing silences single issue opposition like a plethora of universal positives.
    How that plays outside the Lone Star state is a different matter. Perry and by extension the GOP will be bashed on a social issue that quite possibly will be overturned in federal courts.

    Wasn’t Texas letting the feds march through their home like a police state while the citizens cowered in the corner. Neanderthal or not, that wouldn’t be allowed around here.

    1) Waco 2) post Marathon law enforcement response was a lot more than federal which takes us to this….
    The lesson to be learned is that law enforcement on every level (local and state) has gotten too militant in nature and I’m sorry to say that is equally true in the reddest of Red states.

  134. I give him credit for being as open minded as he is.

    I think Rutherford has both characteristics of the fairest of the fair, and the blindest of the blind.

    Rutherford is one of the few libs I don’t mind conversing with on a daily basis. I miss him when he’s not here. For one thing, he doesn’t play jackboot and Gestapo. Not one time has he ever editing any of my comments without request. Can’t be more open to debate that that. However, I don’t find Rutherford open to new ideas – in fact, I find just the opposite.

    I do find that like most of us, Rutherford doesn’t suffer fools easily when they do something or say something monumentally stupid, or attempt to defend the indefensible. Perhaps it is the shall balance I measure him against. Yes, there is a great deal of economic and mathematical ignorance – he’s a lib. But Rutherford is also one of the very few libs willing to criticize other public libs too.

    To answer you question Tigre, I don’t think Rutherford has changed at all in his political philosophy – he’s still grounded in secular, lib dogma. But in comparison to other libs I’ve dealt with to any degree, say the insufferable, filthy piece of human excrement Graychin, I do find Rutherford far more realistic in his assessment of failure.

    And he’s a hell of a lot more likeable.

  135. Perry and by extension the GOP will be bashed on a social issue that quite possibly will be overturned in federal courts.

    I wouldn’t count on that. Even when they’re clearly partisan, the courts don’t like looking hypocritical, and it is tough to defend against this law when “safety” was one of the justifications for making it legal in the first place.

  136. Well that’s a hell of an endorsement Tex. I reckon many of us come back for many of the same reasons. But “not suffering fools easily?” I did a spit take when read that.

    If there’s a commenter that demonstrates a liberal bent or sides with him against the more strident around here (hard to hard to tell among regulars though), suffer and play along he will. Graychin, Numbnuts, Fakename, that weird dude from Kentucky that insisted you agree with each line of his flawed logic one by one and would crumble when you didn’t. . .

    He gluttonously watches MSNBC. If he doesn’t suffer fools, he must be writhing in agony. 😆

  137. Sorry to refer to you in the third person on your own blog R. Maybe letting me comment here is proof Tex ain’t all wrong.

  138. No doubt Rutherford tries to be fair and honest just as he tries to diligently track down and follow that which supports his basic principles.
    That some of his basic principles are what serves as a foundation that creates the abyss like chasm between himself and his regulars is another matter.
    I think the others especially Tex points out something really solid. “Rutherfords Regulars”™ are the same folks that don’t desert him and forever check in on his writings whether we agree with the points or not. Sure we give him some hell but we find times in our busy days to stop in.

  139. Point me to it. I wouldn’t want to disparage his contributions to lively political debate. 😆

    Oh, I wasn’t talking about his contributions. That would be like how new parents coo to their infants over their dirty diapers…at least until the novelty wears off.

    I meant the fact that his decision to be purposely obtuse lead to a much longer comment thread than normal for my place. The post is “The Meaning of Freedom”.

  140. Well that’s a hell of an endorsement Tex.

    😆 😆 😆 😆

    I did have to dig pretty deep my smart friend, I readily admit

    I guess after reading that and thinking back to the future, I probably do need to give consideration to the “doesn’t suffer fools easily.” That’s as close to compartmentalizing as I can get. 😈

  141. The Meaning of Freedom. Ah yes. Epic.

    From somewhere in the first 100 comments came G’s apropos assessment:

    “I read this and couldn’t help but mutter one thing to myself: I hate you. The rhetorical and intellectual value you add to any discussion is measured in micrometers.”

    Yep. Going back through, I mouthed the same words.

    WHEREVER YOU ARE DAN, I HATE YOU!!!!!

    (strangely, I now miss Elric and his surgeon-like ability to get under R’s skin).

  142. I wish I knew how to quit you Rutherford. 🙂

    I can’t say I’m aware of any of Rutherford’s positions that differ from the Dem’s platform in any meaningful way.

    Didn’t we just have this conversation? I feel like we did. Anyway James threw Rutherford a friendly bump that when pressed netted some abstract credit for being a good sport. I agree R tries to be honest and fair – and would go even further and say that he can be counted on to always try and do the right thing.

    Nonetheless he’s still a lib. A big one.

  143. To Tigre and Tex please find me a picture of people massing in the streets wearing stupid hats and saying “I want my country back” dated prior to November 2008. If you can do that I shall never say squat about the Tea Party and racism ever again. The ball is in your court.

    Bonus points if you can produce a picture of a Tea Party activist holding a sign deriding George W Bush.

  144. I don’t follow. TARP was signed in October by GW, Recovery Act in February by Obama, first protests to BOTH followed. You think you’ve proved racism? Really? Are you that dense??

  145. August 2008, domain name purchased:

    “ChicagoTeaParty.com bills itself as the official home of Santelli’s tea party. The site belongs to Zack Christenson, a Chicago radio producer. Christenson had bought the domain last August, thinking it might be a good name for a group. Within 12 hours of Santelli’s rant, Christenson had retooled the site, and 4,000 people quickly signed up. On Facebook, dozens of Santelli groups formed, ranging from fan clubs to draft-president movements to tea party plans for Chicago, Texas, New York, and Los Angeles.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/04/opinion/main4843055.shtml

  146. “Let’s remember that Andrew Breitbart offered to pay …”

    I’m not going through this again with you guys. The racially charged signage is now documented historical fact. The notion that the only racial insult worth talking about is the N word is nonsense. Breitbart didn’t offer a dime to anyone who could produce a sign calling Obama a “lyin African” cos he would have lost that bet.

    A more important comment to follow.

  147. We wait with bated breath. . .

    Just look at all of the racist platforms and rhetoric coming from the Tea Party. Just thick as molasses.

    Show me one, just one, racial platform/position owing to the Tea Party. If you contend that’s what it’s all about, give us just one R.

  148. @ Rutherford. I think you need to disclose your understanding of the TPM and of general related historical facts.
    The TPM you rail against is of multiple origins up to and including if you buy into it the Koch Bros. Big Tobacco scenario back to 2001-02.
    The American political scene saw voters sending tea bags to Congress members as early as the late 90’s and in the Bay State 2006 saw a Libertarian Party phoenix calling itself the Boston Tea Party.

  149. I think it is very fair to say that the Tea Party of today is not the Tea Party of 2009. I think the negative reaction that the racist contingent got pretty much obliterated them so now the Tea Party is a truly political force with no obvious racial agenda.

    I further think Matt Kibbe has grown as a spokesman for the movement and gives them greater credibility.

  150. “lyin African”

    There isn’t a thing racist about that comment if one believes Obama was born in Africa and is/was lying about it. (which isn’t saying I do)

  151. “(strangely, I now miss Elric and his surgeon-like ability to get under R’s skin).”

    I actually thought Elric predated you Tigre. When it comes to Elric I was the fool. I allowed a clearly disturbed dude get under my skin as you accurately point out. I should have been more magnanimous and taken pity on a man clearly typing on his computer while eating Cheetos in his underwear in his mothers basement.

    I must say that G’s recent link dropping reminds me of old Elric.

    Not that it matters but we never did determine if Elric was gay, as he claimed on some other web site (I think it was Myspace).

  152. Tigre why didn’t the protests start in October? Were they really that DENSE that they couldn’t mobilize until the following February?

    Tigre come on. Now you’re just being stubborn.

    Let’s settle on a happy compromise that a legit political movement had a small racist contingent that sucked a lot of the air out of the room.

  153. R, I knew you’d abandon the racist part when called to task. You can’t support it.

    Incredibly, I’ve been around for longer than even I would’ve thought. Elric was lobbing little grenades when I first got here and for some time thereafter. Your reaction was some very entertaining shit IMO.

    You trying to prop up Dan was also damn entertaining.

    I may be the new guy compared to most, the fact that I’ve been here so damn long is what makes your inability to accurately recount what I’ve said or stand for some incredibly irksome.

    As an example, do you have any idea how dumb it is to accuse a lawyer, especially me, of being an anarchist?

    “You Keep Using That Word. I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.” – Inigo Montoya

  154. “”ChicagoTeaParty.com bills itself as the official home of Santelli’s tea party. The site belongs to Zack Christenson, a Chicago radio producer. Christenson had bought the domain last August, thinking it might be a good name for a group. Within 12 hours of Santelli’s rant, Christenson had retooled the site, and 4,000 people quickly signed up.”

    Nice try. He thought it might be a good name for a group … with what intent? Santelli’s rant was in February of 2009 and that is when the web site was actually created.

    You proved nothing.

  155. @ Rutherford although I doubt you could ever see it as so I think there is something to say that if Barack Obama was Barry O’Banyon with the same platform the TPM would’ve come to be.
    Contrast that with the likelihood that a Barry O’Banyon was in no way going to get the Democrat nomination and then we can really talk about race in America.

  156. I will not acquiesce that the Tea Party had some racist agenda. I have seen nothing to support it. In fact, its venom is directed more heavily at the other group your dumb MSNBC crowd wrongly accuses of racism, the GOP.

    Recovery Act was signed into law after Obama was sworn in January.

    Do you think the Tea Party didn’t know a black man had been elected in November you goof ball?

  157. “Nice try. He thought it might be a good name for a group … with what intent? Santelli’s rant was in February of 2009 and that is when the web site was actually created.

    You proved nothing.”

    You are an idiot of epic proportions.

    The onus is on you, Twatwaffle (still love that one). You claim racism, prove it. Don’t hide from it. Show us one racist platform/ position of the Tea Party.

  158. Obama was sworn n on January 20, 2009.

    Why is Santelli’s rant one-month later important to the equation since it is all about racism?

  159. Oh yeah. All the racists just then found out Obama was black. Even the black ones.

    So why did you vote for Obama you misogynist? The proof that you’re a misogynist is there. You had a choice and voted for the one without the penis. Same again with Palin 😆

  160. re 191, that was an excellent post by BiW. Well thought out and concise. That gave me the background I lacked on elric and Dan, since elric is mentioned here often and one of the fuzzy bunch accused me of being Dan when I first showed up here. lol.

  161. Lyin’ African. The person with the sign Lyin’ African. 5 years later, an odd lone person with a sign at a political rally is meaningful to Rutherford.

    Yes Rutherford, there are some racists I’m the Tea Party. OK..there you go….little boy….will you ever dare to pull the blankets from over head and actually be intelligent?

    There are also very, very racist Teamsters.

    Tiger, you should know better them getting sucked into the dumb dumb vortex with him. If it was up to Rutherford he’d talk about that stuff all day and night.

    I’ve been here a long time. The real world ain’t is forte.

    Rutherford and his friends are directly responsible for some very bad things of late.

    He’d like nothing more them to go back and debate the birth of the Tea Party. I remember when he even blamed them for a lynching. He was wrong of course. He followed MSNBC’s lead and looked like a fool, as usual.

  162. DR, you’re right. The dumb dumb vortex got me again. It’s just damn bizarre that an Ivy League educated person is so incapable of rational thought — even after taking some online debate course that apparently never bothered with the differences between inductive and deductive reasoning. I am a moth to flame.

    As Muffy so perfectly put it, it’s the man on the teevee.

  163. Poolman, I seem to recall it was Yellowdog you were called when you got here. You need to check that guy out. He made Dan seem like an intellectual giant. 😆

  164. This just in. Ken – The Coochie – Cuccinelli trailing Terry McAuliffe about 12 points going into Virginia elections tomorrow.

    Jon Stewart waxes eloquent on The Coochie’s campaign as attorney general to outlaw sodomy and oral sex between consenting – even married – adults:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-9-2013/sodomy–zygotes–welfare—-state-laws

    Maybe if these guys were nicer to women, they would get more sex and wouldn’t have to be so fascinated by girls’ hinter parts.

  165. Contrary to Elric, I actually point out the context and importance of the bit of news I’m referencing. Videos obviously speak for themselves. The point recently was to demonstrate how categorically and persistent the obfuscation and deceit has been from the Administration.

  166. A trolling we will go…

    The VA race isn’t about being nicer to women, Jurassic. In fact if you’re honest about it one could argue and with a straight face that Cuccinelli went overboard trying to send a message to dirty old men having sex with minors. Nevertheless when the young lady of 17 failed to meet the age requirement for charging the guy with statutory rape, it should have ended there.

    Authorities in VA couldn’t charge the 47 year old man with statutory rape because the age of consent in VA is 15 so instead they opted to charge the man with soliciting a minor by enticing her to commit sodomy. Last March the courts struck down the VA anti-sodomy law as unconstitutional and threw out the conviction, and IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED THERE. But Cuccinelli decided to appeal “only if the high court would just interpret the terrifyingly broad sodomy law to apply only to sex involving 16- and 17-year-olds.”

    Which is an absurd position since it means that 16- and 17- year olds can legally consent to sex but have no right of sexual privacy in actually having sex.

    That’s what has Rachel and monster-lib John all lathered up and giggly about.

    Read on (cite below) or move on but either way vote for McAuliff because he’s only up 6% points in the latest RCP averages and skip back here and gloat afterwards. Who gives a fuck?

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/08/ken_cuccinelli_s_sodomy_obsession_the_frightening_legal_implications_of.html

    “The law is plainly unconstitutional—according to both a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision and a federal appeals court—and giggling about the attorney general’s creepy preoccupation with Virginians’ consensual oral sex makes for an easy comic target. But that focus obscures the real—even original—sin undergirding Cucinelli’s latest legal push: It’s a call for judges to read statutes to mean what they don’t say; a call for outright judicial activism, for freewheeling judicial interpretation—qualities legal thinkers on the right usually deplore.”

    Why aren’t you yodeling about the recalls in CO, Desperado? Aren’t you responsible for predicting every political wind?

  167. This just in. Ken – The Coochie – Cuccinelli trailing Terry McAuliffe about 12 points going into Virginia elections tomorrow.

    Of course, what does that say of Virginia’s voters? In my estimation, about what it says of the majority Obama voters in this country.

    They will vote for a candidate turned a $100,000 initial investment in the company into $18 million in less than a year and a half; a nifty 18,000% profit. McAuliffe made millions more trading the stock and options after the company went public in 1998.

    In January 2002, the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection under suspicion.

    Too bad Ken Lay of Enron wasn’t available as Senator for the voters of Virginia – assuming Ken was an abortion on demand proponent.

    You can mock Doc Parker. But your home state is nothing but a majority moral cesspool, with hand out for more freebies from a Clinton crony – of which you will get to pay for.

    You may get your coochie – but you’re going to pay a large tab for the rest of the butchers on demand too.

  168. 😆 @ the dumb dumb vortex.

    Well I was glad for Tex and Tigre’s #174 and #175 and the subsequent replies and I especially agree with DR that “Rutherford and his friends are directly responsible for some very bad things of late” including the spurious racism charges which are more projection than anything. The left is so deeply racist that they assume the right must be thinking the same thing with every breath they take.

    It wasn’t the right who ushered in Japanese internment. It wasn’t the right who had a bona fide high ranking member of the KKK third in line of succession for the presidency. It wasn’t the right that comprised 3/4 of the nay votes against the civil rights act and you can bet there would have been plenty of hashtags about standing-with-byrd during his 13 hour filibuster had twitter been around at the time.

    But they’ve changed. For us though, Nixon’s Southern Strategy was only yesterday having come what 5 years after the Dems sought to keep the black man down? And more importantly what have you done for us lately, amirite?

    Never mind where are the throngs of Republicans embracing any supposed racist positions of the tea party and if Lyin African is the sum total of the evidence to support the movement’s racist underpinning then that’s awfully weak argument to put up as newly self-ordained champion of new and improved views which are really a lot like the old views.

  169. Well…..

    If Obamacare is fully implemented, 68 percent of Americans with private health insurance will not be able to keep their plan, according to health care economist Christopher Conover.

    Conover is a research scholar in the Center for Health Policy & Inequalities Research at Duke University and an adjunct scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. In an interview with The Daily Caller, he laid out what he estimates the consequences of Obamacare’s implementation will ultimately be.

    Bottom line: of the 189 million Americans with private health insurance coverage, I estimate that if Obamacare is fully implemented, at least 129 million (68 percent) will not be able to keep their previous health care plan either because they already have lost or will lose that coverage by the end of 2014,” he said in an email. ”But of these, ‘only’ the 18 to 50 million will literally lose coverage, i.e., have their plans entirely taken away. This includes 9.2-15.4 million in the non-group market and 9-35 million in the employer-based market. The rest will retain their old plans but have to pay higher rates for Obamacare-mandated bells and whistles.”

  170. Super article by John Avlon, comparing and contrasting Ken The Coochie Cuccinelli and another Republican candidate for governor, Chris Christie:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/opinion/avlon-virginia-cuccinelli/

    excerpt: “Cuccinelli’s problems must be seen side by side with the success of another Republican running for governor — Chris Christie. The New Jersey incumbent is cruising to re-election by a broad margin in a state where only 20% of voters are registered Republicans. He is narrowly winning nonwhite voters, and winning women by a 20-point margin.” (- compared to Cuccinelli, that is. Of course, that’s because women are so dumb and fall for that “war on women” meme, right? It couldn’t possibly be because women see The Cooch for who he really is.)

    “The difference between the two candidates is self-evident — Christie has governed as an unapologetic centrist Republican with a no-nonsense focus on fighting for fiscal discipline rather than an obsession with social conservatism. He has built cross-aisle coalitions, even on controversial policy proposals, and reached out beyond the base. He puts problem-solving ahead of partisanship or ideology. In other words, Christie is pretty much the opposite of Cuccinelli, and that’s why he is winning in an otherwise ugly year for Republicans.”

    “Conservatives will come up with lots of reasons why a swing state such as Virginia seems to be slipping away. But let’s cut to the chase — candidates who specialize only in playing to the base and pushing ideological absolutism lose. Extremes are always ultimately their own side’s worst enemy.”

    Perfect.

  171. “Of course, that’s because women are so dumb and fall for that “war on women” meme, right? It couldn’t possibly be because women see The Cooch for who he really is.) “

    Correct. The men falling for it are dumb too.

    BTW, who is Ken Cuccinelli, really?

    What VA’s dilemma reveals is very contrary to what you have said such races will demonstrate. The reality is that it’s not enough for the Republican candidate to avoid making abortion a campaign issue – even to the point where Cuccinelli heeded his staff’s recommendations that he not even defend himself. Now people are saying his staff should be fired for doing exactly what people like you have said he ought to do.

    So vote for McAuliff and get the Governor you deserve. Just like you did for Obama when you voted for him to pass health care legislation – how’s that working out for the nation?

  172. The swing states are swinging for the same reason the country has swung…

    More free stuff to the highest bidder. It’s as simple as that. The more immoral and secular the state, the easier the swing. Since Virginia is slowly becoming Maryland lite as D.C. enriches itself, good riddance.

    Chris Christie couldn’t get elected in Texas, unless running against Wendy the Witch Doctor practicing in mill work. Chances are very good Fat Man will one day be a Dimocrat – Charlie Crist style.

    I don’t trust Christie. He may be on some Republican staff, but the Presidency ain’t going to happen. That’s Dole, McCain, Romney media talk. That’s who the party of abortion wants to run against.

    And I’m afraid all of these folks from Obama country that think they have the pulse of Republicans from the South and Southwest are utterly clueless.

    Frankly, I believe Virginians are deserving what they get – federal contracts, perhaps. But private business will look for green pastures. Time to ante up more taxes to Ken Lay, “Parker.”

  173. Rabbit I’m done discussing the Tea Party vis-a-vis racism. Anyone who denies that the racially charged messaging from Tea Party rallies in 2009 was a high profile and disturbing distraction from what should have been a purely political movement is either a mentality retarded idiot or a fucking liar.

    Case closed.

  174. “DR, Think R has ever heard of Ross Perot? ”

    Exactly WTF was that supposed to mean? You’re not suggesting he was a racist are you? 😉

    He did turn out to be a wackjob.

  175. “Rabbit I’m done discussing the Tea Party vis-a-vis racism. Anyone who denies that the racially charged messaging from Tea Party rallies in 2009 was a high profile and disturbing distraction from what should have been a purely political movement is either a mentality retarded idiot or a fucking liar.

    Case closed.”

    What a joke. Just because you are done discussing it…because you have no argument…doesn’t mean we are.

    Someone screams “racist” and the media jumps. Finds a single sign from an idiot here and there and labels an entire group because of it, in an attempt to marginalize them all. Suddenly, a single sign becomes a “high profile” media event. The resulting “distraction” is then as proof of Tea Party racism and how the movement screwed the pooch.

    Rutherford, its easy to find racially charged messaging when you label everything someone says as racist. Especially with the so-called “dog whistle” baloney.

    These “distractions” were completely fabricated by the media and people like you. Remember the fabricated spitting incident? The fabricated break-ins at democratic party offices? The fabricated claims someone called so-and-so a nigger?

    It’s all bullshit, Rutherford. The fact that it IS all bullshit is why the case should be closed. Not because you can’t find any evidence to back up your claim.

  176. I honestly don’t understand this. Candidate after candidate makes public policy statements about lady parts and they lose. Why can’t you guys accept once and for all it’s a bad play in 2013? Why the head in the sand?

    Christie is pro-life but he doesn’t go around bombasting about it. No one is saying you have to give up your principles and be pro-choice. Just STFU about it and don’t make it the cornerstone of your platform.

    Americans don’t like their sexual morality dictated to them by politicians. They go to church for that.

  177. Damn. I’ve been doing it wrong all of these years. If only I hadknown that the answer when you have a big bag of nothing burgers is to declare yourself the winner by screaming “Case Closed!”. I could have spared myself hours of work had I only known!

    Tigre, did they teach this technique at YOUR law school?

  178. @#247 – Yeah they should just say they are done discussing abortion.

    Case closed.

    Always the brave stance with you Rutherford.

    “I am pro-life. Hearing the strong heartbeat of my unborn daughter 14 years ago at 13 weeks gestation had a profound effect on me and my beliefs. The life of every human being is precious. We must work to reduce abortions in New Jersey through laws such as parental notification, a 24-hour waiting period and a ban on partial-birth abortion.”

    Source: 2009 Gubernatorial campaign website, christiefornj.com , Jul 21, 2009

    It’s FOR SURE that you and MSNBC and Carnac over there in VA will be dining on roast Christie the day he declares his decision to seek the office of the presidency. Hashtags at the ready, girls. #Chris-Christie-forcing-NJ-Planned-Parenthoods-out-of-business.

  179. Rutherford, when did an unborn baby qualify as “lady parts”?

    That’s a question that should be directed to PfffParker. He runs the family down to the mill.

    I’m just curious. Do they skip the “lady parts” down at the mill? The old umbilical abortion makes it clean. 😈

  180. Damn. I’ve been doing it wrong all of these years. If only I hadknown that the answer when you have a big bag of nothing burgers is to declare yourself the winner by screaming “Case Closed!”. I could have spared myself hours of work had I only known!

    😆 A lawyer’s dream! First one to the sack of nothing burgers wins. Hell, I’ve found that policy so effective, I walk into a room and of libs and start talking about nothing burgers, quickly followed by case closed and their speechless.

  181. “The rest will retain their old plans but have to pay higher rates for Obamacare-mandated bells and whistles.”

    Ehh what we are being told, (lies?) is that the “bells and whistles” constitute ADEQUATE coverage.

    Now the argument can be made that Americans should be free to purchase junk insurance policies if they so choose. Are you making that assertion Gorilla?

  182. One thing is for certain…..any attack by the Rabbit on Rutherford’s school boy intellect will always, repeat, always, be full of so many typos that it’s barely decipherable.

  183. Yeah…if I was sterile woman…paying for pregnancy insurance wouldn’t be a bell…it would be a trombone at E flat right up my ass.

  184. “Now the argument can be made that Americans should be free to purchase junk insurance policies if they so choose. Are you making that assertion Gorilla?”

    1. I am.
    2. Why didn’t your liar president ask that question 3 years ago? We certainly could have had that debate. But you cowards hid. And lied.

    You lie!

  185. I see were back on the “lady parts” phase by the abortion lovers.

    Oh I forgot….they think abortions should be rare. Why? Abortions are just “kind of bad”. Yeah that’s the ticket. Just barely “bad” enough to rinse the pro choice conscious of it all like Pontius P. Wouldn’t want to think too hard about what they stand for. So…they should be rare…..in a perfect world those err “lady parts” (with different dna, sometimes gender) should hardly ever be messed with. It’s not the removal of a skin tag. Errr…..or is it? Baby killers confuse me.

  186. And now Obama says he didn’t say what he said.

    Pitiful.

    $5 says the guy that wrote this post will soon claim it wasn’t a lie.

  187. “Guard yourself tomorrow. ”

    I see Noah has joined the Poolman tin foil hat brigade of “false flag” watchers.

    Anonymous has proven itself to follow through with its threats. It is wise to take precautions.

  188. I don’t play the case closed card very often but what choice do I have when I am arguing with people who say the Atlantic Ocean is full of grape juice and clouds are made of cotton candy.

    MANY people were offended by 2009 signage and that should be evidence enough that it was inappropriate.

    I also stated that the Tea Party of today is not the Tea Party of 2009 but you’d rather ignore that observation and keep fighting an argument based in denial, self delusion or outright lies.

  189. Case closed means park it on a shelf for now. Here’s one many would like to close. Few of these ever get buried for good.

    The TPM was meant to offend some people. That’s the whole point of protest. What would be the point otherwise? You want civility, go see a symphony. Politics is verbal mudslinging.

  190. R, your “case closed” is the product of your won denial, self delusion and outright lies. Give it a rest. Put up or shut up.

    Now, I said Good Day. . . 😆

  191. My wife, cousins, and I attended three Tea Party demonstrations near the beginning. They were not racially charged or violent. While there were a few bad apples in the totallity of the movement, some were leftist plants, and others were figments of the Democrats’ and press’s imagination,

    The case is not closed until people who voted for Obama and are unhappy with the result acknowledge that the Tea Party and people like Sarah Palin were right to condemn the Democratic program as a lie. Justice requires consequences for what the Democrats, press and voters did to this country, That time may wait for the condemnation of historians in the next century, but justice is coming.

    Our grand daughter can roll onto her stomach but she doesn’t want to She turns onto her side moves her shoulders so she can pull herself a few inches forward or to the side, rolls over again and repeats the process. She made two 360 degree turns and laughed.

  192. MANY people were offended by 2009 signage and that should be evidence enough that it was inappropriate.

    How many libbies have been busted as Bomba plants at so many of these demonstrations? How do you know that Lying African wasn’t a Biden plant? He’s a sneaky enough shit to do pull something like that.

    Liberals are not interested in making things right, making things better, making things more honest. They’re interested in only one thing – everything else besides aborting more babies is secondary – to be in charge, be in control.

    They want to control every facet of your lives and monitor everything you say and do because they know better than you do what is best.

    Modern day liberalism is based on two qualities: (1) Profound arrogance; (2) A hatred of God, believing they are sovereign of the universe.

  193. “$5 says the guy that wrote this post will soon claim it wasn’t a lie.”

    Notice the small sum wagered. He ain’t too confident ain’t he?

    It’s actually kind of insulting Tigre. The man said you won’t have to change your plan or your doctor “PERIOD”. It’s awfully hard to squirm out of that one and I am very capable of calling a lie a lie.

    I see now why Tex has mellowed out a bit. He can sit back and watch you and G play the asshole. Well my old friend Tex deserves a rest so bravo I say.

  194. It’s awfully hard to squirm out of that one and I am very capable of calling a lie a lie.

    But it’s not too difficult to call people who recognized that the liar was a liar and said as much when the lies were uttered “Racist”, or “asshjoles”, apparently.

    BTW, the “assholes” are the ones looking at this trainwreck and insisting that it is still a good idea, and that all the problems are the fault of the Republicans/Tea Party/ EEEEVVVVVVIIIIILLLL Insurance Companies, etc,., and that it can be “fixed” with moar government, and busy arguing that that it is someone else to blame for cancer patients losing their health insurance (I’m looking at YOU, Dan Phiefer).

  195. I see now why Tex has mellowed out a bit. He can sit back and watch you and G play the asshole. Well my old friend Tex deserves a rest so bravo I say.

    Ah, I’ve been busy getting my fill of lib head and ass slapping at the T-World. Your Mother Theresa compared to these wackos.

    Watching Obama go the way of the Titanic has provide injury to insult – these stooges are totally vested in the fraud and still take it personally. Those were the days here. Ahhh….orgasmic.

    I am stunned on that uber-liberated board, they have allowed me to remain. You just kind of hate me on occasion – these folks are full board on outing, insulting my wife, mom and kids, tacit threats. My kind of opponents. Line their asses up for personal insult and humiliation, followed by their listing of leftist professional credential which they think the life preserver, only adding to the list of my ammunition. 😈

    Today, they were accusing me hating on Obama. I tried to explain I don’t hate Obama – I loathe Obama. Then I told Graychin and his bootlickers no worries about me “hatin” on Brother Obama – I hold them in even lower accord than I do Obama, followed by Tex’s latest publication: Progressive Inferno – the Nine Layers of Progressive hell, with Graychin as the drill bit. Rabid dogs started howling and snarling.

    I’ll give you one thing, Mr. Rutherford besides you’re the most tolerant lib I’ve ever conversed. After battling it out with you for years and hanging around the bar with my clever pals here, I’m now well equipped to push lefty buttons.

    It’s damn near as satisfying as sex and I can do it a whole lot longer. 🙂

  196. “It’s awfully hard to squirm out of that one and I am very capable of calling a lie a lie.”

    Then it will soon be another “nothing burger.” Obama’s lies have never bothered you in the past.

    “He can sit back and watch you and G play the asshole. Well my old friend Tex deserves a rest so bravo I say.”

    Sorry dude. Anyone that throws around the accusation “racist” as recklessly as you and couldn’t care less about the larger effects of being wrong loses the “asshole” name-calling game.

    You lose.

    Case closed. 😆

    p.s. I know you’re struggling and kinda figured it’d be you that would be paying me the $5.

  197. ” Put up or shut up.”

    How many times do you need to see the signage — personal attacks on Obama–before you believe your own lyin’ eyes?

    Just Google “racism at Tea Party protest” and I’m sure you’ll find something. Or just ask Rabbit, the official RL Blog Historian. I’m sure he can point you to the post where I already pasted the pics.

  198. Oooooh! Rutherford is so intellectually courageous.

    Rutherford is basically saying “He lied. What you going to do about it?”.

    In fact, Rutherford’s hubris so great, he had to center his admission of the lie around the fact that the people who were correct from the very beginning are…..well….racist or something?

    Is Rutherford re-evaluating anything? Nope.

    So, this Spock like admission of the lie is the path of least resistance. An unemotional concession and then I guess we close the case and move on.

    Rutherford and his asshole friends owe this country an apology and should be working on making things right, even if that evil Tea Party person with the sign gains from it.

    But nope. We get a monotone admission of the lie and nothing meaningful. Pussy shit from a pussy. Dumb dumb stuff about a person with a sign a half decade ago.

    Thanks for fucking people over Obama worshipers.

    What was it R used to always end with?

    And now….the President of the United States……

  199. “some were leftist plants, ”

    Yes of course. Any method to deny the bad apples.

    Where was the denunciation from the good apples? Why did the good apples allow themselves to be photographed next to the bad ones? Why weren’t the bad ones told “you’re distracting from our legit cause, get the hell out of here.”

    Poolman may have a point. Maybe the nature of protest is to be provocative and to tolerate the fringe element. If we’re honest we have to say the fringe of OWS certainly was a major and unwelcome distraction.

  200. “They want to control every facet of your lives and monitor everything you say and do because they know better than you do what is best.”

    Coming from the man whose party wants a permanent viewing stand in your bedroom.

    How laughable.

  201. Even if one or two Tea Party people had signs saying “Lynch the Moon Cricket”…..what would that mean?

    Angry people showing up by the thousands.

    Repeat. Racist people were there.

    Repeat. Who fucking cares.

    Racist people show up when…..rrrrrrabit drum role…….people show up!

    You act like the Tea Party had nothing to be pissed off about. Their home values destroyed, TARP, Obama’s failure of a stimulus in the shadow of what turned out to be the biggest liberal failure in my life time…Obamacare.

  202. Damn right DR.

    Fuckin’ A, as you said, how many damn racists belong to the Teamsters union and others that “follow their hearts?”

  203. “p.s. I know you’re struggling and kinda figured it’d be you that would be paying me the $5.”

    Cute.

    I don’t casually toss around the word racist although I know that puts me in your neat little lib stereotype. But I do know when a protest sign ain’t right.

    By the way I don’t think I’ve ever called Sarah Palin racist. I’ve said she’s profoundly mean and stupid.

  204. “Where was the denunciation from the good apples? Why did the good apples allow themselves to be photographed next to the bad ones? Why weren’t the bad ones told “you’re distracting from our legit cause, get the hell out of here.”

    Where do you get off thinking that didn’t occur? And frankly, your point was the Tea Party not only embraced it but was motivated by it.

    Like the chopped photo of the gun-toting black dude gracing the mag cover you surely relished, it’s the the guy on the teevee again for you .

  205. Where was the denunciation from the good apples? Why did the good apples allow themselves to be photographed next to the bad ones? Why weren’t the bad ones told “you’re distracting from our legit cause, get the hell out of here.”

    Rutherford, if you had a scintila of honesty while taking this tack to scream about the alleged plank in eye of the Tea Party, then I would expect an even more vehement and passionate denounciation of Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson, Al “Twana’s Fraud Pimp” Sharpton, and the general disgrace that was the last DNC convention…like several post’s worth.

    Don’t worry. We all know that a single sign at a rally 5 years ago gives you license to bitterly cling to racism as a security blanket and crutch to prevent you from directly confronting the legacy of failure, malaise, misery, mendacity, and death that have characterized President Derp’s shining era of “fundamental change”. It’s easier than fully comprehending that this disaster is one that you and other Obama voters precipitated and fully own as your legacy to the next generation.

    You’re right that an apology is owed, but I have little faith that you’ll have the courage and self-awareness to make it to us.

  206. “I don’t casually toss around the word racist although I know that puts me in your neat little lib stereotype.”

    Shame on you. That’s one giant whopper. You’re as bad as they get. It’s one of your worst traits along with wrongly accusing your political opponents of committing atrocities when prompted to by MSNBC.

  207. By the way I don’t think I’ve ever called Sarah Palin racist. I’ve said she’s profoundly mean and stupid.

    And with an equal inability or interest in providing proof of that, either.

    Considering some of the drivel you’ve converted to pixels over the years, I don’t think you have much call for fingering her as “stupid”.

  208. “Considering some of the drivel you’ve converted to pixels over the years, I don’t think you have much call for fingering her as “stupid”.”

    I’ll put my drivel against your drivel any day of the week Sir.

    As for Sarah’s intellect, oh goodness gracious. The Atlantic is filled with grape juice again?

    Hell, Steve Schmidt looks like he’s paying permanent penance for inflicting that twit on the American people. Nicolle Wallace similarly bows her head in shame every time Sarah’s name gets mentioned.

  209. Coming from the man whose party wants a permanent viewing stand in your bedroom.

    Off hand, I can’t think of anything less I want to see than you and yours in the bedroom. The horrors…

    That’s a big nothing burger and also predictable cover. I forgot what a little risible rascal you could be. What you deserve is another Gorilla ass stomp.

  210. Rutherford, you must have Tuesdays off nowadays. Or maybe he’s abandoned the thankless masses among the potholes of the windy city. Regardless, just like a old gold tone timex with matching expandable band, he takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’. lol.

  211. As for Sarah’s intellect, oh goodness gracious.

    57 states, “inhilators”, “corpsemen”, shout outs, “Big Fucking Deal”, Go out on your back porch and fire two shots from your shotgun, “Stand up, Charlie, God Bless Ya!” , and countless rape references from Joe “The Villages” Biden.

    Yeah. We sure dodged a bullet there. Go back to eating your waffle. This is clearly above your pay grade.

  212. Obama’s overt lying is a new low. Nixon at least had enough of a sense of shame to go away. Or his advisors convinced him that it was the right thing to do. It WAS the right thing to do then and it’s the right thing to do now. Then your party told us that Clinton’s lying didn’t matter because it was just about sex – none of our business. Get out of other people’s bedrooms you said. Bill Clinton lying under oath was somehow OUR bad. And do what do you say now? The tea party is racist. You have no shame.

    You ALL owe every living veteran an apology Rutherford. You all owe everyone that you have labeled a racist an apology. And Obama should resign and you should turn your back on him. He lied flat out and it wasn’t about his personal life and it wasn’t none of our business. He couldn’t get it done so he cheated. In front of everyone.

    He should resign. He is a disgrace.

  213. Coming from the man whose party wants a permanent viewing stand in your bedroom.

    A dishonest characterization from a scion of an ideology that wants us to keep our noses out of the bedroom, because it is none of our business, but wants us to pay for the consequences of what happened there, one way or another, and even portrays this “cost-shift” as a safety device.

    Color. Me. Shocked.

  214. They all lie. That’s their entire gig. It pays very well.

    Sometimes the actor gets the academy award. The right script, clear directing, a comfortable narrative and charismatic character, a complimentary cast, the very best framework and lighting, a pleasant angle… sometimes. Then there’s the times the script lacks or the players are total misfits and nothing can carry the story.

    Obama has been chosen and groomed for this act. He didn’t write the script. He has succeeded in being the divider they hoped for.

  215. LOL no Poolman I have Friday and Saturday night off. But because I work nights now it frees me up for some afternoon blog diving.

    BTW I’m getting news flashes across my iPhone that Chris Christie won reelection. Mark my words, if it’s Christie vs Clinton in 2016 I’m voting for Christie, the first time I will ever have pulled the lever on the right in my entire life.

  216. THEN TAKE TO THE STREETS WHEN THE GUY WHO ENGINEERED THIS TRAIN WRECK WAS IN OFFICE!!!!

    Dude….I think you need a history lesson on how it all went down. Your timing is wrong. Things collapsed over a couple month period in between Bush and Obama.

    Bush didn’t engineer it. That’s just stupid.

  217. “Sorry Rabbit I don’t owe anyone an apology.”

    Disagree. When people were coming together trying to stop it, you blamed them for lynching people.

  218. “Off hand, I can’t think of anything less I want to see than you and yours in the bedroom. The horrors…” -Tex

    you don’t want to see Rutherford doing this to the Liar and Chief?

  219. Well, well, well . . . it would appear that Ken “The Coochie Ultrasound Man,” Cuccinelli, right wing Republican zealot and all-purpose idealogue, has lost the governorship to a Democrat in a traditionally Republican state (Virginia), while Chris Christie, Moderate Republican, has beaten his Democratic opponent by a 2-to-1 margin in an overwhelmingly Democratic state (New Jersey).

    Could it have been that Christie focused on Doing The People’s Business, instead of preaching to them about their sinnin’?

    No, it must have been all those stupid women again, who were just too dumb to vote right.

    With that kind of ignorance, how could they possibly expect to be given the privilege of controlling their own fertility? Silly girls.

  220. Which of Christie’s positions do you consider moderate?

    Abortion exceptions for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother? Perhaps his opposition to gay marriage?

  221. No, it must have been all those stupid women again, who were just too dumb to vote right.
    With that kind of ignorance, how could they possibly expect to be given the privilege of controlling their own fertility? Silly girls.

    Controlling one’s own fertility doesn’t require the lucrative private “right” to murder the product of that fertility.

    But then you knew that.

  222. BiC and Tex I have two words for you when it comes to keeping your nose out of the bedroom:
    Ken Cuccinelli.

    Rutherford, I have seven words for your desire to “keep my nose out of the bedroom”:

    Get your hands out of my back pocket.

    Seriously. Quit toting the asinine line that says “You must keep out of my private business, but pay for my condoms/birth control, or worse yet, make me a party to your private right of murder by diverting taxpayer money to Klanned Parenthood.

  223. Virginia is on the Federal teet more then any other state in the union.

    The great recession never even hit northern Virginia because it was sprayed with tax payer money like a German Shepard pisses on a fence.

    Its a blue state, Parker the Snitch. Its also a federal state just like you are when the internet gets top risque for you.

    I don’t even have to look at the county map. Northern Virginia won that race and it wasn’t about abortion it was about keeping the cash cow.

    VA is for Nanny Lovers.

  224. A traditionally “red” state that voted for Obama twice, once by 6 points. I would highly suggest it was more the federal teat than private coochie that made the difference.

    No matter. Virginia deserves Ken Lay. When it comes apart at the seams, Virginia will be second worst hurt, right behind D.C.. I will remind them of that when the times comes.

    What cannot continue to go on, won’t.

  225. But because I work nights now it frees me up for some afternoon blog diving.

    Oh, that explains a lot. Those night crawlers callers are a whole ‘nother breed.

  226. “THEN TAKE TO THE STREETS WHEN THE GUY WHO ENGINEERED THIS TRAIN WRECK WAS IN OFFICE!!!!”

    Sigh….uncovered this with about 30 seconds of effort

    “On January 19, 2009, Graham Makohoniuk, a part-time trader and a member of Ticker Forum, posted a casual invitation on the market-ticker.org forums to “Mail a tea bag to congress and senate,”[35] a tactic that had first been attempted by the Libertarian Party in 1973.[36] The idea quickly caught on with others on the forum, some of whom reported being attracted to the inexpensive, easy way to reach “everyone that voted for the bailout.”[37]”

    “Forum moderator Stephanie Jasky helped organize the group and worked to “get it to go viral.”[38] Jasky is also a member of FedUpUSA – a fiscally conservative, non-partisan activist group whose members describe themselves as “a group of investors” who sprung out of the market-ticker.org forums.[39] The group had previously held D.C. protests in 2008.[40][41] On January 19, 2009, Jasky had posted a formal invitation “to a commemorative tea party.”[42] She suggested that supporters, in a coordinated effort, send tea bags on February 1, 2009.[38]”

    The most irritating part, Rutherford, is that you put absolutely no effort into learning the truth about things.

  227. Well, well, well . . . it would appear that Ken “The Coochie Ultrasound Man,” Cuccinelli, right wing Republican zealot and all-purpose idealogue, has lost the governorship to a Democrat in a traditionally Republican state (Virginia), while Chris Christie, Moderate Republican, has beaten his Democratic opponent by a 2-to-1 margin in an overwhelmingly Democratic state (New Jersey).” – Whoever you are…

    Could it be that suspected Dem plant Sarvis undermined Cuccinelli? Sarvis got 7% of the vote, while Cuccinelli lost by two points. I assume you can do math…

  228. A major Democratic Party benefactor and Obama campaign bundler helped pay for professional petition circulators responsible for getting Virginia Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Robert C. Sarvis on the ballot — a move that could split conservative votes in a tight race.

    Campaign finance records show the Libertarian Booster PAC has made the largest independent contribution to Sarvis’ campaign, helping to pay for professional petition circulators who collected signatures necessary to get Sarvis’ name on Tuesday’s statewide ballot.

    Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC’s major benefactor. He’s also a top bundler for President Barack Obama. This revelation comes as Virginia voters head to the polls Tuesday in an election where some observers say the third-party gubernatorial candidate could be a spoiler for Republican Ken Cuccinelli.

  229. Where The Coochie failed, and why:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/11/how-ken-cuccinelli-blew-it/281156/

    People get it. They really get it. Hopefully, this error, uh, era will soon be at an end and the nut-cases will go home, so Americans can begin to rebuild their country.

    Now, let the excuses begin. I’ll give you a leg-up, so you don’t have to waste time:

    The Coochie:
    1) The Libertarian candidate, Sarvis, was bankrolled by the evil Dimocrats, so he could be a spoiler.
    2) Those dumb women again! How dare they want to control their own fertility! Back to the kitchen, bitch! And I want you ON the bed, legs spread, in five minutes! And none of that funny contraception business, either. If you have a passel of kids, you will be too busy to interfere in men’s work, like running the country!
    3) The voters just didn’t understand.
    4) Satan intervened on McAuliffe’s behalf.

    Christie:
    1) New Jersey voters don’t REALLY care about jobs and unemployment; they really care about abortion and gay marriage and despise them both, but were temporarily confused by the bright object.
    2) The Dimocrats forgot which one was the Dimocrat candidate.
    3) Back to the kitchen, bitch!
    4) Satan intervened again.

    Wise up, nutcases, or you will never control anything again. What a shame US has to waste time going through this giant enema, to flush the right-wing turds from the Republican bowel, before the country can begin to deal with real issues–like, for example, how they are going to compete with China, who fully intends to drive USA into the dirt. Such a waste of time, money and effort…sigh…

    (Wave to Rutherford – maybe sanity is beginning to prevail again…)

  230. Have mercy! Nothing but dry sherry passes Auntie’s lips before noon. It does sound like he’s lost in some sort of drunken reverie though when he slips into the memory of the last time he got laid. It was back in ’33, he remembers it like it was yesterday…

  231. What a fucked up rant. Up drinking scotch already PF?

    Careful, Tigre. That could be perceived as tacit threat, FBI/CIA/NSA/Marines at his beckon call.

    Hell, the Atlantic is a left-wing, elitist rag. What do you think they’re going to write? Muffy says Auntie Parker – I say the transformation is to Wattle Jean. Reads just like the Texas Turkey.

    Want to speak about credibility?

    There’s a Dominionist hiding around every corner.

  232. “Bush didn’t engineer it. That’s just stupid.”

    If all you’re referring to is the financial meltdown that’s one thing but how about 2 wars on a credit card?

  233. “No, it must have been all those stupid women again, who were just too dumb to vote right.”

    Get this Parker–Christie won women running against… wait for it … a woman!!!!

    Christie won a third of DEMOCRATS!!!

    I haven’t read all the comments yet but I’m sure there is at least one which ignores the stunning demographics and calls Christie a RINO. 🙄

  234. “Name three things Chrispy Creme did that you can point to as “doing the business of the people”.”

    From what I understand he stood up to the unions. That oughta go far in your book BiC.

  235. Rutherford, you care about the national debt?

    If you do..and your angry at Bush about it…..why haven’t you joined the Tea Party? Because you must be foaming at the mouth right now considering Obama’s debt.

  236. R: “I haven’t read all the comments yet but I’m sure there is at least one which ignores the stunning demographics and calls Christie a RINO.”

    Stunning is right. Perhaps a quick look at Republican history, instead of RINO (Republican In Name Only), might yield Republican In Name, Too. (RINT) — or RR – Real Republican. You remember those people — folks who put country ahead of party, ideas ahead of ideology?

    There is a name for all the nonsense, you know: it’s called “rationalization” — continued belief in the unbelievable, in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence. A bastardized variant of religion, as it were.

  237. “I haven’t read all the comments yet but I’m sure there is at least one which ignores the stunning demographics and calls Christie a RINO. 🙄 “

    😆 Sorry we let you down Sparky. Not only was he not called a RINO but Auntie P is the only one who seems to want (desperately) to exterminate certain segments of the Republican party because Cuccinelli lost. It’s very strange.

    I watched your MobSNBC last night Rutherford. I see it starts with passive aggressive suggestion that Christy isn’t quite as moderate as people think he is…

  238. From where I sit the extending of the local results to the national stage seems to be ridiculous sensationalism.
    The VA governors race was still close enough to be given the benefit of the doubt that the VA GOP need not enter total chaos mode. The GOP retained control of the house of delegates which has the potential to present the balancing act our two party system affords.

    In New Jersey Christies win shows good politics and the power of the independent bent. I can speak from years of experience here in MA that the chatter outside the voting booth is highly susceptible to a thrashing once people are alone. (in MA see Bill Weld,Paul Cellucci,Scott Brown) Christie at a min. has the image of serving the interests of New jersey folks and that is a powerful spectre to have in ones corner. Although there is much speculation of a Christie goes national thing I helve his next term will be hard on him. Christie took some good steps but ultimately Jersey is Jersey.

    NYC mayoral,this has been the most frustrating for me. In my opinion this has little to zero impact on the national scene. DeBlasio will get a few pinheads excited and perhaps will end “stop and frisk” . Other than that his advertised assault on wealth in the Big Apple is not something America is going to get hot for. I chose the word wealth intentionally since his campaign aimed beyond wealthy individuals and as such will be at its most insidious. NYC experienced a change years ago and I don’t think the Guiliani genie is going to get put back in any bottle.

  239. Parker, I read up on your election.

    The consensus seems to echo what I found on Politico: ” Exit polls showed McAuliffe won women by only 9 points, the same margin Obama won them by in the presidential election last year. The Washington Post poll last week had put McAuliffe ahead among women by an astonishing 24 points.

    This raises questions about whether women are starting to tune out “war on women” messaging “.

    Plus….as Tex said, married women went for the other dude.

    I don’t get why you are strutting like a rooster over a failed political hypothesis.

  240. Re: the link @#350 – “McAuliffe won women overall by a 51-42 percent margin. But he lost white women by 16 points (54-38 percent) and won black women by an astonishing 91-7 percent spread.” (Black men voted at a similar margin).

  241. If all you’re referring to is the financial meltdown that’s one thing but how about 2 wars on a credit card?

    Fair enough – unfunded wars, bad idea. But…

    With respect to Brother Rabbit’s question:

    Bush accumulated debt at about 42% of the rate your man has with two wars and unfunded Medicare ‘D.’. So apparently, the answer is, “No, you don’t care about the debt or deficit.”

  242. Breathtaking.

    [A]ccording to two former officials, CMS staff members struggled at “multiple meetings” during the spring of 2011 to persuade White House officials for permission to publish diagrams known as “concepts of operation,” which they believed were necessary to show states what a federal exchange would look like. The two officials said the White House was reluctant because the diagrams were complex, and they feared that the Republicans might reprise a tactic from the 1990s of then-Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.), who mockingly brandished intricate charts created by a task force led by first lady Hillary Clinton.

    In the end, one of the former officials said, the White House quashed the diagrams, telling CMS, instead, to praise early work on those state exchanges that matched the hidden federal thinking.

  243. This is what can be taken from Virginia: a state that is basically at least 50% red and ALWAYS has a Governor of the opposite party from the prez narrowly gave the job to someone they didn’t even like because enough of them couldn’t bear to pull the lever for Cuccinelli.

    Was it the humiliating landslide that was predicted? No. But it was an easy win forfeited by extremism.

    Another interesting development from what I saw on the dreaded MSNBC: establishment candidate in Alabama whips Tea Party candidates ass. And it foretells a real danger for the TPM. Businessmen (or producers as Rabbit likes to call them) don’t like it when a stunt interferes with their money making.

    Keep an eye open as conservative businessmen with too much to lose at the hands of nihilistic Tea Partiers start funding establishment Republicans (or RINOs as you all call them) to knock these crazies out of office.

    One beautiful thing about America: anyone who fucks with my making lots and lots of money will be destroyed, principles be damned. 😆

  244. Keep an eye open as conservative businessmen with too much to lose at the hands of nihilistic Tea Partiers start funding establishment Republicans (or RINOs as you all call them) to knock these crazies out of office

    Quite the contrary – if these RINOs aren’t careful, they might find themselves surrounded by lots and lots of Obamas. Think that would serve them well, “R”?

  245. Rutherford I think you are only touching on the truth. I’d you look at the mayors races in Boston and NYC you see great examples of huge interest money. Same appears true in va governor race. The $$ dynamic is intense and Obama has as much a hand in that. As the TPM does

  246. “R, what makes the Tea Party crazy?”

    You put words in my mouth. I said businessmen were gonna start trying to keep these crazies out of office. The candidates. I did not make a statement about the party as a whole.

    I would submit that if the Tea Party were smart they would back candidates who want to change government not just stop it.

    Yes, Ted Cruz “Mike Lee I am your father” is crazy. Perhaps crazy like a fox but crazy. His father is bona fide batshit crazy. The sour grapes concession speech by the Alabama loser shows he’s a bit of a wackjob too.

  247. Good analysis, Rutherford. Extremists are always their own worst enemies. The best way to get elected is to do the People’s Business — ALL the people – not just that of the extremists on your side.

    Being elected by four percent does not give one a mandate to shove the 52%’s personal agenda down the 48%’s throat – a lesson that Obama would do well to learn, ditto the right-wing nuts. I don’t see an ounce of difference among them all.

  248. Alfie I don’t deny big money impacts Dem races. It would be foolish to say otherwise.

    I’m just predicting that in the GOP civil war going on right now BIG money is going to back the establishment.

    There is lots of support for Tea Party principles (small govt, controlled spending) but when billions get lost as they did with the shut down, businessmen are saying “right idea WRONG METHOD”.

    So again, until the Tea Party sympathetic candidates stop their burn the house down strategy they will find big money going to their old school GOP opponents.

  249. Huck please load your gun before firing. Obama’s dead beat father never campaigned for him.

    No one put a gun to Papa Cruz’s head and told him to take to the stump. He threw his hat in the ring and now he has to live with the scrutiny.

  250. Parker, Obama has taught me not to get too fired up by speeches BUT damn did Christie give a fine victory speech. And he said what you said and I paraphrase “you show up. You show up where they voted for you. You show up where they didn’t vote for you.”

    For those who hated Obama’s stopping the rising oceans, there is none of that with Christie. He basically ended his speech by saying “now watch me work.”

    I just pray he can survive the GOP primary. I also fear with so much time left before the election he will peak too soon.

  251. # Rutherford 365 you missed my point but I plead guilty to not being clearer. As for holding up the Alabama race as some litmus test I think folks are getting ahead of themselves and seeing what they want to see.
    First off as per his on issues schtick http://www.byrneforcongress.com/issues/
    Byrnes offers a mix of what is indeed the establishment but does so with Deep South flair.
    The other guy was/is a nutter.

  252. “No one put a gun to Papa Cruz’s head and told him to take to the stump. He threw his hat in the ring and now he has to live with the scrutiny.”

    Talk about shooting blanks….

    What does that have to do with what I wrote?

  253. “There is lots of support for Tea Party principles (small govt, controlled spending) but when billions get lost as they did with the shut down, businessmen are saying “right idea WRONG METHOD”. ”

    Gee…if only we had a section of our government that was broken up into hundreds of districts where big money had less of an impact in elections.

    Oh wait……

    It seems no matter how many times we tell him, Rutherford just refuses to understand. These “bat-shit crazy tea party nut jobs” were sent there by like-minded people to do exactly what they are doing. They’re not going to win big elections that require winning multiple demographics…but as you’ve seen…they don’t have to in order to have influence.

    It’s not big money that’s going to get them out…it’s gerrymandering.

  254. Not all the Tea Party followers are nuts. Not all the Tea Party politicians are nuts, either. But some ARE, and they really hurt a very legitimate movement. If you have ever listened to, let’s say, Michelle Bachmann, she really does not understand a thing about what she’s doing, or how US works. Listen to one of her speeches. No, I mean really listen – to the whole thing. She’s a loon, certifiable and fit to be carried off in a strait jacket.

    Ditto the Democrats. Not all are the next thing to socialists, but some are – hell, many are, and they are so loud and conspicuous that it easy to tar the whole party with that brush, when actually, some Democrats are quite conservative and fiscally responsible.

    Somewhere I read that in US, 70%? of people want to replace all of Congress and Senate. Well then, dammit, DO that! The problem , however, is that it’s a general thought, but when it comes to replacing YOUR representative, it doesn’t happen, and he’s the ONLY one you have the authority to replace. Sigh, I think US may be doomed.

  255. Poolman, you seem to be interested in green alternatives for energy. There are many problems with wind turbines, solar, etc., the most severe of which is that they cannot compete very well with fossil fuels on a cost basis. China, which is the largest environmental offender, cares naught except for cost, so any useful technology will have to be inexpensive.

    Thorium fission has been known for a very long time, and has the advantages of being very plentiful and also of being unable to be used to make a bomb, which of course is why US and USSR were never very interested in developing it.

    This company claims to be on the verge of using thorium to produce a laser, which would in turn boil water to turn a turbine. This could make possible an auto which would never need refueling, or airplanes which, instead of carrying 20,000 gal of kerosene (60 tonnes), would be powered by nuclear energy.

    http://laserpowersystems.com/

    One must balance enthusiasm with caution, but this seems to have promise. What say you?

  256. Parker, that is an interesting concept it appears quite a few are experimenting with. I have not done too much research on alternative means. Our lives are so inundated with petroleum products and the consequences of that relationship are long-term and just now being identified and acknowledged. I really don’t see the oil barons giving up their place or allowing our dependence wane, given the huge investment and profits derived therefrom.

    Solar has gotten more accessible and affordable. It has made positive inroads in our lives. There are other power sources we haven’t tapped. I’m sure you are familiar with what was done to Nikola Tesla when it was learned he wanted to provide everyone energy for free. His advances have been mostly kept from us, with DARPA taking the technology and weaponizing it. His inventions and theories didn’t fit the capitalist model, so he was shut down.

    We still don’t know how the ancients moved stones in our past. Some say sound technology was used. There are mysteries we are still trying to uncover. The human brain is capable of much we do not yet know and have not fully mastered. There is a collective conscience that, if harnessed, has unlimited potential. As of yet, that collective effort has been primarily used against us.

  257. “What does that have to do with what I wrote?”

    Unless I misunderstood you there is zero comparison to Barack Sr. and Papa Cruz. For that matter there is a clear inheritance of ideology from one Cruz to another. Obama on the other hand was probably more influenced by his mother and grandparents.

    So, again your odd comment about Obama and his father made no sense.

  258. Huck are you saying big money plays a smaller role in House elections?

    It will be interesting to see what role big business plays at the district level. Your assessment may be right but I still have to wonder if the Tea Party may be wearing out its welcome.

  259. “Somewhere I read that in US, 70%? of people want to replace all of Congress and Senate. Well then, dammit, DO that! The problem , however, is that it’s a general thought, but when it comes to replacing YOUR representative, it doesn’t happen”

    Exactly. Throw the bums out never applies to YOUR bums.

    In Mann and Ornstein’s book “It’s Even Worse Than it Looks” they ultimately lay the blame for our politics at the feet of the voter. As many have said on this board for different reasons, we get the government we deserve.

  260. Rutherford the tea party offers something the Dems do not and that is discussion. That said you have a clouded,jaded view going for ya so I don’t know what to say. Big money will enter the fray of some district races that is to sure. They will more likely though stay in the statewide game for pure bang for the buck. I imagine that holds true for both parties where when it works for them. On the district level many things are more self evident and I think folks from MA,CT,IL etc lose sight of it too often. If you lived in TN for example you are powerfully aware of big employers like VW and FEDEX and are more likely to be moved by their political plights in races. I would say that applies to folks in AL as well who know damn well their economy needs infrastructure improvements so as to continue to attract and support employers like Hyundai,Mercedes and the third auto maker that escapes me right now.
    Long and short of it is that in many places good GOP campaigning can and will find success with a mix of values,patriotism/jingoism,and economic growth that the (D) folks will fail to beat. The flip side is there are zip codes that dems will do the same chattering but just like CA vs TX has shown recently the growth is in purple to red states not blue.

  261. “Huck are you saying big money plays a smaller role in House elections?”

    I believe that is the case, for the most part.

    ——————

    “OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    RUTHERFORD….THE FUCKING GUY WROTE A BOOK TITLED Dreams from My Father”

    LMAO

  262. Our grand daughter is five months old today. We are home now to pick apples and to do some other work before we return to Omaha.

    Our grand daughter is unusually happy and people comment on her frequent broad smiles.

    Obama and his allies are as radical as the most extreme Tea Party members are. A study showed extremists of both persuasions are more alike than different.

    Europeans are learning alternative fuels are less efficient and more expensive than expected.So, of course, Obama wants to destroy the domestic coal industry.

    “Many…leave the blame at the feet of the voter.” I also blame our press which inflicts its bias on us and makes it harder to learn the truth. We see that in the outcry from people who unexpectedly lose their insurance.

  263. We the People still ultimately own it though James. Our laziness on a personal civic level is our own doing. The myth that the media, government and the unknown are controlling a Matrix like life for us is just us explaining away our own responsibility.

  264. Where did I go wrong? My wife asked my daughter “should we have a big government or a small government?” My daughter replied “small government” and when asked why she replied “people should be allowed to live their lives the way they want to, government shouldn’t get in the way”.

    Is she watching Fox News while I’m asleep?

  265. Sounds like your daughter is going on common sense alone without any media influence.

    All of the mayors of New York city after LaGuardia and before Giuliani had the city at about the same place that Detroit was at. Giuliani turned everything around, not perfect but 100 times better than the city was before he was elected. Most people didn’t think it could be done. I would say the turnaround was on the same level as the United States turned around during the Reagan years. Well, in the 12 years since Giuliani New York has gradually declined on its way back to where it was under the progressive Bloomberg. Now they have gone and elected an outright communist. And that is not hyperbole. The mayor-elect has vacationed in the Soviet Union, honeymooned in Cuba and raised money for the communists in Nicaragua. He claims that New York has been for the wealthy for too long. If you don’t know people are already leaving New York in droves due to the high taxes, especially the wealthy. It will be interesting to watch New York the next 8 years or so to track their further decline and see how long it takes to catch up to Detroit.

  266. Rutherford, it sounds as if you are raising a libertarian. 😆 Good for her. Unless it’s a total rejection of your ideals (some kids want distance from their parents), she seems to grasp the need to get government off our backs and out of our personals. Is there anything big government does well? I can’t think of anything good.

  267. Governemnt is good for creating red tape and cluttering things up. Currently there are about 15,000 billing codes. In 3 years ACA will cause that number to rise to 150,000. Think this will slow things down much? This this will have an effect on how long it will take to get medical attention?

  268. It’s a stage Rutherford don’t worry too much :))
    On a more serious note it is rather textbook that she has a personal take on things even something as heavy as government. Perhaps instead of any concerns you can pat yourself on the back for helping to foster something good i.e. self esteem and responsibility. Sorry if this is too heavy.

    @ Noah NYC is more than a sum of some political parts and I doubt DeBlasio will succeed in destroying the gains it has achieved. The one truth of his campaign is that there is indeed at least two New Yorks. Really always has been but it is pretty glaring now a days. Blue metro’s are all facing the same deal. Balancing the line between what governance and capitalism actually creates with keeping a place available to the working class.

    @ Noah #2 the ACA will be a gift that keeps on giving as long as it exists that much is certain. That is one of the reasons I’ve put stakes in the camp that says it will not create single payer but in fact be the causative agent for portable individual plans. A boom to the insurance companies and straight out of many conservative play books regards HSA’s,no employer tax benefit and “skin in the game” schemes.

  269. @ Pool man
    Is there anything big government does well? I can’t think of anything good.
    I actually found this query loaded which made it interesting.

  270. Good for your daughter, Rutherford.

    Our daughter has been complaining about Obama and ObamaCare lately. She said she bet a co worker voted for Obama and was partly to blame. The co-worker responded “I didn’t vote for him. Do you think I did because I’m black?” My daughter replied “No, because you are a social worker.” “Oh.”

    The government manages the US Weather Service with which I’m connected as a volunteer, pretty well.

  271. Another stereotype which isn’t always true. Eva and Manu are a French-Finish folk duo. Some of their music sounds like Wood Stock. They made an album describing their travels through Europe as they prepared to launch a singing career.

    “We felt safe with a loaded gun, Poor mans warranty. long life warranty.”

  272. Ahhh…..the good old days……when liberals yelled at the few of us rebels who weren’t fools.

    There is a storm coming……

    I don’t think Rutherford fully comprehends the damage done to liberalism by….uh…..liberalism.

    I wonder what the quasi Democratic operative Newt or no Newt is blabbing about right now?

    I love perusing my wife’s Facebook and reading the outrage from her semi apolitical moron “friends” who voted for the hip black guy like sheep. Oooooooo…..they’re so pissed right now! Sure….they never cared about saving money. But they did like blowing those extra few hundred bucks at the Pottery Barn. No more Chink shit for them. Rutherford and his friends have made sure of that. Insurance man is getting that.

    Your are fucking toast, R. OBAMAcare, dude.

    Premiums are going to sky rocket. I don’t care if the broken exchange runs as smooth as Obama lying on the campaign stump by Monday morning. Ain’t no way the young healthy people are signing up for this shit. We are all going to feel it.

    Holiday Bender followed by post holiday blues. Plebeians gots no money until that tax return yo! Brown snow depression. Empty wallets.

    As Obama said a thousand times after he lied about Obamacare. End of story!

  273. “RUTHERFORD….THE FUCKING GUY WROTE A BOOK…”

    I haven’t read the entire book, have you? I got the impression the book is about a man coming to terms with the father HE NEVER HAD.

    Honestly man I think you’re digging your grave deeper. Rafael Cruz is to Barack Obama Sr as ice cream is to car polish.

  274. “I also blame our press which inflicts its bias on us and makes it harder to learn the truth. ”

    I agree 100% James so long as you spread the blame equally between MSNBC and Fox, between HuffPo and the Daily Caller.

  275. “Honestly man I think you’re digging your grave deeper. Rafael Cruz is to Barack Obama Sr as ice cream is to car polish.”

    You are entirely missing the point, man.

    This isn’t about comparing Barack Obama Sr. to Rafael Cruz, it’s about comparing Barack Obama Sr. to Barack Obama Jr.

    Just like you compared Rafael Cruz to Ted Cruz.

  276. I agree 100% James so long as you spread the blame equally between MSNBC and Fox, between HuffPo and the Daily Caller.

    I somewhat disagree with your assessment. Sorry, MSNBC and FOX are not mirror images of each other. One is infinitely more professional and polished for starters. Don’t believe me – check the ratings. I can say the same of the Wall Street Journal vs. the NYTimes or Washington Post. I would agree that HuffPO and Daily Caller mirror images.

    I honestly believe MSNBC attempts to deceive – I don’t think FOX necessarily makes a regular habit of that. Example – Bill O’Reilly, FOX’s most popular host still refuses to call Barack Obama a liar about what Obama said about people keeping their insurance policies. I have no such hesitation and neither would anybody at MSNBC have had hesitation about George Bush, if the shoe on the other foot. FOX doesn’t have nearly as many of the apoplectic fire breathers that MSNBC does, and when they do, they don’t last – Glenn Beck. At MSNBC, they’re the stars of the show and have been since its inception.

    And frankly, the partisans like Sean Hannity at FOX are simply more likeable than the partisans at MSNBC. Hannity is not a prick – Chris Matthews, Sargent Schultz, and Crazy Larry O’Donnell are.

    Maddow is in a class by herself – she comes across as smarmy, arrogant know-it-all and rank propagandist. I put her on the Fake But Accurate list – I’m sure my opinion colored because I find her deviant too. Maddow makes my skin crawl…

    The Left, contrary to what they scream about tolerance, are the most intolerant people on earth – these hard core Obama cultists cannot handle a shred of dissent. FOX allows dissent – and a lot of it, even welcomes it because it improves ratings – pure motive, or not.

    Where I do get off on many right-wing blogs and the like is that they are much too quick to take any nugget of bad news for Obama and extrapolate that into something more sinister and far worse sounding. Just give me the relevant facts and I’ll make up my own mind. And I’m getting really tired of having to double and triple check my sources time and again.

    The truth about Obama is more than bad enough – no need to exaggerate its effects.

  277. Yes, Rutherford, I blame them both, and Tex, I agree MSNBC and Fox are not mirror images of each other. We don’t have cable, so we don’t watch either network except for Fox on non- cable

    Fox seems better managed with more of a semblance of impartiality than MSNBC. If people perceive that Fox offers dissent, some will watch to hear another viewpoint even if they hate the purveyors of what they might regard as journalistic fraud.

    I agree, many of the leftist talk show hosts seem to be unpleasant jerks. Larry O;Donnell, for example, was so angry after Bush won the election that he said on a national network TV that the blue states ought to secede to send conservative regions into poverty since liberal tax dollars were supporting them. He sounded serious and unhinged.

    Another example is the Charlie Rose show when Tom Brokaw said ” we really don’t know much about Obama, even the books he reads.” That was journalistic incompetance which led us to where we are now.

  278. Bill Ayers has joked that he ghost wrote “Dreams from my Father” and some who check phrasology believe that Ayrers at least edited the book.

    Obama’s father abandoned him and later, so did his mother. He found himself in a strange to him Indonesian school with a different name. Like a transient military brat he became self sufficient and contained to survive. His mentors were communists.

    Today, Obama is cold and distant. This is one of the worst traits to be inflicted on a politician. He is psychologically damaged. in one of the worst possible occupations for a man like himself.

  279. The differences between a left-handed tool and a right-handed tool are unimportant to the finished project. Because one is more popular than the other matters not. Both are just as effective in their respective handling.

  280. Both are just as effective in their respective handling.

    Simplistic thinking. We were at full employment as recently as Feb 2008. The only way Barack Obama ever gets to that figure is when everyone quits looking for work.

  281. Simplistic thinking. We were at full employment as recently as Feb 2008.

    Occam’s razor. In retrospect, it was the banksters calling the shots. The administration is owned by them. I was at full on boogie when they were doling dough out all around, creating the virtual equity they cashed in on over and over again. JPMorgan just paid 13 billion to cover over their decade of crime. The pres doesn’t get that much grace.

  282. “Sounds like your daughter is an anarchist. 😆 ”

    Well smaller government isn’t quite the same notion as “drown government in the bathtub” a sentiment hawked by many you sympathize with. 😉

  283. “This isn’t about comparing Barack Obama Sr. to Rafael Cruz, it’s about comparing Barack Obama Sr. to Barack Obama Jr.”

    Well I guess I need to put Dreams back on my reading list because every clue I’ve ever gotten is that Obama “inherited” virtually no political outlook from his father, that is unless you believe the garbage tossed around by Dinesh D’Souza and Newt Gingrich.

  284. “Well smaller government isn’t quite the same notion as “drown government in the bathtub” a sentiment hawked by many you sympathize with.”

    Here we go again.

    With whom, specifically, do you think sympathize? Go on. Set out some specifics based on anything I’ve said.

    Here come the crickets. . . .

  285. Tex you’re smarter than that. C’mon man. You KNOW drama over intellect pulls in more ratings.

    I think you’ve confused cable news with Bravo’s Wives of Beverly Hills.

  286. “Hannity is not a prick”

    Yeah he is but that is a matter of personal preference.

    Otherwise I actually find your comment unusually balanced. And I agree with you 100% that I’m tired of being lied to by both sides.

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