Did This Go A Bit Too Far?

Last Wednesday night there was no hiding the joy of the MSNBC anchors at the total and utter failure of the Republican attempt to bring the country to its knees over Obamacare. Schultz had his usual swagger. Maddow took the usual analytical approach and had an index card for every “ransom” demand the Republicans made and lost, reading each one aloud and tossing it in the air with a “didn’t get that” and a grin on her face.

But for sheer over the top drama betraying a clear animosity for conservatives, the prize must go to Martin Bashir. Martin quoted Oliver Cromwell from his address dismissing Parliament in 1653. Martin said the words apply today. I could not find a link to an intact video of Bashir’s closing moment of his show but I did screen capture the text of Cromwell that Bashir read from in his best theatrical British accent.

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It is really hard to gauge how one should react to this. I viewed the Republican shut-down tactic as plain stupid. It didn’t really inspire any animosity in me. So at first blush I found Martin’s dramatic recitation absolutely hilarious. But if we bother to take Bashir seriously, then we must conclude he has a real hatred for at least part of the Conservative movement.

In fact, if we look at the entire “drop dead” reaction of the left to the Ted Cruz inspired revolt, one must draw a much bigger conclusion. The days of liberals saying “I’m a lover, not a fighter” appear to be long gone. We have a government in which each side (with exceptions of course) truly hates the other. While the people of this great nation just want to get up in the morning and go to work, our government is engaged in a multi-level civil war — Democrats against Republicans and Old School Republicans against the Tea Party. The only thing we have not yet witnessed (unlike in other legislative bodies around the world) is an actual fist fight breaking out on the floor of the House. At his point, I wouldn’t rule that out in the not-so-distant future.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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254 thoughts on “Did This Go A Bit Too Far?

  1. Can’t wait for you to hold your own accountable. That includes your Hope & Change president that punishes his own believing the only game is a political victory.

    If it weren’t for the low information voter, yours would be thrown on their asses.

  2. I find it ironic that a cable station that holds Christianity in contempt and always makes mockery, would then turn around and clearly use a Christian theme to rub it a self-acclaimed victory where none exists. One wonders are they simply ignorant or truly that stupid?

    The Dimocratic Party now reminds me of King Belshazzar of the ancient Babylonian kingdom at a banquet that he hosted, going so far in his wickedness to use the goblets and vessels that had been taken as treasure when Jerusalem overthrown. The end was not pretty and the immorality finally caught up to Babylon, never to return to greatness.

    But what I really wonder more relevant to this thread is: (1) If Rutherford noticed the sheer hypocrisy of the method; (2) If anybody but Rutherford saw it. I know even lefties that have grown weary of MSNBC’s foolishness and refuse to watch it.

    Truthfully Rutherford, I find your party and your President almost irrelevant anymore – like Obamacare Care, the Left-wing of the Dimocratic Party is imploding on itself – you’re just too close to notice. The media is an a financial struggle. The administration can’t create jobs, they’re foreign policy a pathetic failure, they are running up an enormous debt that cannot possibly be paid back, they’ve created a party of misfits and mooches that are running out of other people’s money.

    If the Tea Party is going to be honest with itself, it is going to have to conclude what I did long ago and confirmed last November.

    The precepts of this country grand; the history like no other. We once were great. But the last twenty years have seen our nation corrupted, its people pathetic and stupid, the end imminent.

    The Tea Party is going to have to have the stones to go to war and break away. I suggest they start making a plan to do so and coordinating with the military, who I believe ripe for the idea – and I would happily join them in their endeavor.

  3. He quoted the tyrant Oliver Cromwell? That guy sucked so bad they dug him up to just decapitate him post mortum.

    Ironic. The left now passionately mimics the speeches of a dictator to rip on people who stand up to Obama.

    Fitting really.

  4. Another day another open display of Obama worship and contempt for the separation of powers by MSNBC. After 5 years of it Rutherford asks are they going “a bit too far”

  5. Cute, PfParker. I actually found myself singing along. 😈

    Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was one of my favorite childhood books many moons ago – and the movie with Gene Wilder wasn’t bad either. I kind of had a crush on Veruca Salt.

  6. I’m actually really glad Rutherford posted this. None of the blogs I read made mention of any of it, and it’s a good reminder of why I have no interest in watching MSNBC.

    Thanks bud.

  7. “The Tea Party is going to have to have the stones to go to war and break away. I suggest they start making a plan to do so and coordinating with the military, who I believe ripe for the idea – and I would happily join them in their endeavor.”

    I see. So you want the governmental civil war that already exist to go public? Let’s all jump from the frying pan into the fire!

  8. I find this interesting. 30 years ago when IBM paid for everyone’s health insurance I didn’t see young healthy folks saying “oh Big Blue save your money I don’t need insurance. I’m young and healthy.” On the contrary they were happy to have it and when IBM finally said “you’ve got to pay for some of this yourself” some were quite pissed off.

    It isn’t that young healthy people don’t want Obamacare. They don’t want to PAY for it. They want a free lunch.

    Maybe it’s time they learned there ain’t no free lunch.

  9. I find it interesting you are just now realizing people want a free lunch and that there isn’t any.

    Mitt Romney, much?

  10. Premium increases for our firm (employer provided) in last 5 years?

    200%. That means deductibles are now $6k per family. Let’s call that a $10k pay cut.

    Obamacare increase just this year (prior to penalty phases)?

    45%.

    Employee sponsored coverage for small business (and non-exempt entities that favor Obama :roll:) is what used to be referred to as major medical n/k/a right to healthcare.

    No free lunch indeed. Yet that’s how it was sold and what you supported.

  11. @ Rutherford. First off the Left did not present a “drop dead” tactic. The employed a “FUCK YOU AMERICA” tactic. Lets stay honest otherwise there really is no need for pretending to invite dialog. The tactic they used will some day be used against them and then the likes of Maddow et al will be singing a far different tune and gnashing teeth as opposed to shithead grins.

    As for your experience with IBM and the invincibles not complaining about getting no real personal cost coverage back in the day. You’re being naive and over simplistic. First off the invincibles of all eras care little about such things. Hidden costs are enough to fake them out or not bleep their radars. Make it real and they react. From an actuarial aspect the invincibles are an easy lot to account for. My company which is self insured enjoyed decades of a majority workforce of single males. Insurance costs were negligible and premiums $0.00 for employees. Tables have turned though now that the workforce has grown and aged as well as diversified especially in high increases in uteri,the bane of all actuarial tables.

    As for you waxing poetic on the decades of Americans looking to move the political will to provide universal healthcare. Well fuck me if that isn’t stupid to its core. First off per 2011 government stats the government provides 2/3 of the expenditures on health care in America. Private insurance accounts for only 1/3. What we have is a model that could have at its most progressive edges be tweaked to resemble the German health care model the dynamics appear about equal. I leave it to you to explore the deeper reality of that point.
    This bill does indeed go too far Rutherford and it will do great damage to our economy and people. Obama and the Boyz shot a big gooey load and it shows their thoughtlessness and malice. They could’ve played the truth card against staunch conservatives who have since the 60’s supported much of the government health care spending. They could have passed something that didn’t invade so many extraneous corners of our lives such as tanning booths,drive thru menus and schooling. They could have made something that didn’t stifle cost savings like they did when they struck their devil deal with the American Hospitals Association douches.(by outlawing physician owned facilities that are seen as competitive to hospitals.Irony alert CDHP almost demand you avoid hospitals,to bad the clinics have to be owned by hospital groups) They could have made some strides that coaxed people into truly affordable coverage tiers/plans that would keep Medicaid from picking up the tab. Something that should’ve had conservative support. HSA backed plans saving the invincibles from the inevitable calamity. Tax benefits galore and savings for individuals WOW! What a missed opp Instead they expanded Medicaid and made the insurance giants millions if not billions

  12. Number ten – is that some sort of an “AHA!” for you Rutherford? It’s mind-blowing that you could even imagine that we’ve been talking about something other than that the young and healthy don’t want to PAY for their health insurance – along with those who believe they are entitled to a healthy life at other peoples’ expense. Of course they WANT IT. Of course they don’t want to PAY FOR IT!

    That this scheme is presumed by many to be “free health care” is a pretty major bone of contention. It is a child’s concept of “free.” The whole scheme is contingent upon healthy 18-34 years olds obeying a mandate that 1/3 of them don’t know about even to this day, and of the 2/3 that do know – a quarter of them have already said “no thanks.”

    Yes, they are passing on PAYING FOR health care.

    Your poor thought balloon. Always two or three pages behind with the Eureka!

  13. Interesting article in the WSJ, Rupert’s brainchild. It describes the Republican Obamacare defunding/government shutdown loss as a “kamikaze” attack, noting that “Kamikaze missions rarely turn out well, least of all for the pilots.”

    A couple more Republican victories like that one and the US will have Democrat rule for the forseeable future. Their highly offensive tactics have already assured that Terry McCauliffe will be the next governor of Virginia, where he currently enjoys about a 20% margin among women. I predict a flood of “I told you so’s” in the near future.

    What do you think, R, does that possibility appeal to you, or does the prospect of one-party rule seem bothersome?

  14. @ parker Do you think the process in VA is such a good barometer? What I mean by that is that to me it seems neither side had a good show put forth. Both parties went the “appointed” candidate route whilst other potential contenders backed off. That on the GOP polling seems to have impacted Bollings decision is that really indicative of true sampling of VA GOP mindset? (thats a serious question since you’ve got feet on the ground there)
    the Dems have what could be seen as a shameless Clintonian opera opening occurring. That said the Legislature is majority R what can MacAuliffe really do? Is his platform really that appealing to VA? (again you got feet) or is it (and this seems in line with your personal views) is all a (D) have to do now a days is say “I’m not a R hating on your uterus”

  15. I have seen a couple of ads for elections in the Northeast that have used the “Not a GOPer hating your uterus” line and it is effective since the narrative has been given credence. The thing is though contrary to a demise of the GOP I think this myopia from both sides will actually help the libertarian wing of the GOP to emerge stronger and gobble up those indies.
    You can hate Rand Paul for example for the misrepresented opinions about lunch counters,much of everything else he has on offer appeals to the purple swathes across this country and he’s got the something else his daddy lacked to do something with it.

  16. So, who here thinks the feinting woman at Obama’s presser was staged? Even some of the libs here think it was done to make Obama appear chivalrous.

  17. R, as I was saying, have you figured out yet that this is a much, much bigger problem than a an IT hiccup? MSNBC ain’t the source you should be going to gauge the gravity of it for the embodiment of your liberal fantasy a/k/a the “big fucking deal.”

    Tip of the iceberg. . .

  18. Isn’t it annoying that the government can be late when it comes to their requirements of Obamacare, ie they didn’t open exchanges on time, with absolutely no penalty? I can’t stop thinking about it. They spent .6 billion dollars on it. More capital then Facebook has put into its infrastructure. R and MSNBC hasn’t called for one person to be fired. Not. One. Person.

    Even if they got this disaster working perfectly tonight….they were late 3 weeks. We can’t be 3 weeks late.

    That is why I am a conservative.

    These examples are endless and blatant.

  19. Oh, they’ll be asking for a sacrificial lamb DR. Gotta throw someone under the bus. It’s how Obama deals with crisis. Blame someone else.

  20. “Gotta love the smell of irony in Obama going to the private sector to help bail out his broken system.” T

    Well….he went to a slice of the private sector that he seems to be quite cozy with. I’m sure he rang the phone of some Verizon liaison that the NSA uses daily.

  21. Oh yes. Chaz Maddow is telling R as I type that it’s already a success — Oregon the example.

    Bwhahahahahahahahah!!!

  22. Ha ha. Just read on the Drudge Report Consumer Reports is warning people to stay away from Obamacare.

    Obamacare is now officially in the same category as Miss Cleo!

  23. Government is stupid. And to think we’re going to trust them with our health insurance!!!

    If I knew you weren’t being facetious, I would think you were making progress – in the good way.

    As it is, I know that you won’t understand until you take a hot Obama poker up the colon and your deductible strips about half your 401k.

    But at least you’ve arisen the Altar of Obama and stood up to see the world.

  24. “Government is stupid. And to think we’re going to trust them with our health insurance!!!”

    Hahahahah.

    With he accountability demanded of it by guys like you, what could go wrong? 😆

  25. Since doctors refuse to sign up in Obama indentured servitude program, next comes forced service followed by pitch for single payer, then rationed minimal care, then R scratching his head wondering how’s stupid utopian ideals couldn’t possible be to blame.

    He’s gonna prove he’s compassionate no matter how many people he has to hurt. 🙄

  26. For those of you who are pro ACA, what do you say to this person, and the thousands of families like her?

    Samantha: I will be losing my current policy that I loved on 12/31 because it is not ObamaCare approved. IF I choose Covered California (I already have my quotes) the cheapest policy is going to cost me $113 MORE than my current policy. Sure I guess I could scrap that up and choke down a $273 a month policy. My current policy costs me $1,920 a year plus very modest co-pays so I see the benefit of having insurance immediately. Under Covered California my monthly policy is $273×12=$3,276 +$5000 deductible =$8, 276 BEFORE i see ANY benefit of having insurance and after that Covered California Bronze plan only covers about 60% of anything else you may need. Only covers a percentage of any labs, x-rays, hospital stays etc. The only thing that is a set co-pay is prescription drugs. Here’s the problem::: I Have breast lumps…non-cancerous so not considered a pre-existing condition. So every year in February I have a diagnostic mammogram, (close family history of breast cancer and other cancers on both sides and personal history of cervical cancer years ago) On my current policy my cost for a diag. mamo. is $50. On covered California is is NOT covered until my $5000 deductible is paid. So in February I would not only be paying my monthly premium of $273, but I would also have to write a check for $900 to the women’s imaging center. Since this is not emergency services this has to be paid at the time of service. I cannot pay $1,173 in medical bills in one month. Sure, I can cover the yearly/monthly premium but with the deductible there is no way I can afford to actually receive medical care that I need. This is going to force people to forgo getting preventative tests needed and when people do go it’s going to be when things are at their worst. I may not enroll in any insurance plan and just pay cash and take the tax, I will not benefit from the insurance. And if I get in a car accident my car insurance will cover it so, Hey I’m just going to cross my fingers and hope for the best. If any one wants to claim that I am lying about the costs of the ObamaCare Covered California plan please PM me and I will be happy to send you the screen shots that lay out what my costs would be.

  27. “I am stealing that and using it elsewhere.”

    You’re welcomed to it. I suggest you leave the incoherent part above it where it lies. Sheesh. 🙄

  28. It seems to me with these high deductibles, ACA is nothing more than a drain on the resources of every person in this nation. If you have a deductible that exceeds what you can afford to pay, or is more than you use in a year, ACA is just a monthly fine you are going to pay as a citizen in this country. Being a US citizen is no longer free, you have to pay for your membership now every month.

  29. I’m going to fix it:

    “Since doctors refuse to sign up for the Obama indentured servitude program, next comes forced service by executive fiat, followed by the idiot’s pitch for a single payer system, next rationed minimal care, with R left scratching his head wondering how his stupid utopian ideals could possibly be to blame for all the harm inflicted.”

    I’m now going to hit “send” without proofing ’cause I live on the edge, baby.

  30. “That is why I am a conservative. ”

    No that’s why you’re an idiot. The banks that will steal your house from under you commit crimes and no one goes to jail yet you pledge allegiance to a party that is perfectly fine with that.

    Now don’t get me wrong. The Dems didn’t do squat either but at least they talk a better game.

    What you don’t understand Rabbit is that you are the little guy and conservatives don’t give a rats ass about you despite Ted Cruz’s claim to the contrary.

  31. Rutherford, I see you are you to your douchebaggery again on Conservatism. I know you are allergic to Bill Whittle, I suspect because he is white, so maybe a brother can break it down for you. Some on point, some off point, but I think it describes you and yours quite eloquently.

  32. “Now don’t get me wrong. The Dems didn’t do squat either but at least they talk a better game.”

    1 party makes it clear they have no interest in doing something.

    The other party lies and pretends it wants to do something…and because they lie about it, they are more compassionate.

    Who is the real idiot here?

  33. “Even if they got this disaster working perfectly tonight….they were late 3 weeks. We can’t be 3 weeks late. ”

    Again this is why I laugh at you guys. You simply don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Three weeks? In the IT world that’s considered on time delivery.

    Let me spell this out for you.

    1. Business owner (dept of HHS) says deliver product on X date.

    2. Requirements are poorly collected.

    3. Programmers estimate work involved and say we can deliver quality code on Y date. Y date is AFTER X date.

    4. Business owner ignores estimate and demands delivery on X date.

    5. Shortcuts are taken to meet deadline. These shortcuts include no beta testing.

    6. Broken system is delivered on time and over budget. Actually. ACA web site was the exception. Usually the system is delivered late and over budget and still broken.

    Let me repeat: this is the norm. The more complicated the interfaces the less likely it will work.

    Could this project have been different? Of course. But we probably had IT illiterate folks submitting requirements and a clearly incompetent CGI doing the work.

    You guys call this excuse making. I call it reality.

  34. “It’s how Obama deals with crisis. Blame someone else.”

    Wow amazing to see so many stuck on stupid in this thread.

    You want Obama to resign because the web site doesn’t work? If he doesn’t fire someone you’ll find him wanting. If he does then he’s “blaming someone else”.

    Tigre you’re a child. Truly.

  35. “Oh yes. Chaz Maddow is telling R as I type that it’s already a success — Oregon the example. ”

    Well hate to burst your bubble but it is a FACT not propaganda that some of the state run exchanges are running properly. But I know that facts that alter your reality get filtered out.

  36. “He’s gonna prove he’s compassionate no matter how many people he has to hurt. 🙄 ”

    Well you are still capable of making me laugh.

    But “stupid utopian ideals”? Did you read that aloud before you submitted it? Don’t you have a young child? Seriously do you discourage him from dreaming about a better world where fewer people suffer?

    Did the Framers have stupid utopian ideals? They sure as fuck within their limited view (which didn’t include blacks and women) pictured a far better America than we have right now.

    Sometimes I think you need to check yourself with the cynicism and your mocking of dreamers.

  37. “For those of you who are pro ACA, what do you say to this person, and the thousands of families like her? ”

    Any time Noah quotes someone in a long speech I know it’s a chain letter and I just chuckle.

  38. “t seems to me with these high deductibles, … ”

    I looked at my pre-Obamacare health care offered by my employer and the deductibles were so high it made no sense to sign up.

    So Noah get a clue. The status quo is no picnic.

    By the way, you already pay membership dues. It’s called taxes.

  39. “followed by the idiot’s pitch for a single payer system,”

    Damn right. This should have been expanded Medicare for all taking advantage of an existing infrastructure. But Republicans and Dems couldn’t stop sucking insurance company dick.

  40. “You guys call this excuse making. I call it reality.”

    “Sometimes I think you need to check yourself with the cynicism and your mocking of dreamers.”

    Rutherford is all about reality….

    …until the reality makes Obama look bad, then he’s a dreamer.

  41. ” I know you are allergic to Bill Whittle, I suspect because he is white,”

    Always quick to make the stupid racial conclusion. I dislike Whittle much more for style than substance. That soft voice of his drives me batshit crazy.

    If all it took was a black conservative to turn me around Herman Cain would have had me at “hello”.

  42. “Rutherford is all about reality….

    …until the reality makes Obama look bad, then he’s a dreamer.”

    You’re mixing apples with oranges. Just because one sees the world as it is today doesn’t mean we stop chasing a dream for a better tomorrow.

    To paraphrase Kennedy it is better to look at the world as it could be and ask why not.

  43. ” I know you are allergic to Bill Whittle, I suspect because he is white,”

    Always quick to make the stupid racial conclusion. I dislike Whittle much more for style than substance. That soft voice of his drives me batshit crazy.

    If all it took was a black conservative to turn me around Herman Cain would have had me at “hello”.

    I kind of thought you would take the easy way out, talk about race then ignore the rest. Whats the matter Rutherford, the brother make to much sense for you? This is how I know your a closet racist. Its your go to excuse not to respond to substance that you are unable to defend against or refute.

  44. Rutherford……your scheme, a redistribution of wealth….I mean health…is simple.

    Force young and healthy people to get insurance that hitherto haven’t been able to afford it or don’t want it.

    None of us know for sure what camp most of these people are in, although we have our suspicions.

    Time is ticking away, dumb ass. At this point…the now almost 4 week delay might be enough to kill Obamacare. Do you realize that? You think these people are going to pour money into Obamacare during the holidays? Or have money laying around during the post holiday hangover months of brown snow ?

    If we don’t have common ground on a time sensitive scheme which survives on the blood of the young, one that is a already an absolute logistical disaster, despite more then a half billion dollars pissed away on a contract with no bids…..then fuck man. Let me join Tex and break the fuck away from you people.

    You are a clear and present danger to the future of my sons.

    Leave it to liberals to find the one thing today’s current crop of young people have ..their health…and somehow monetize it and then steal it from them. I guess those sheep are easy for you assholes to slaughter. Maybe they deserve it, I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. THEY CANT EFFING SIGN UP!

    Ever notice every liberal scheme is advantageous to the boomer generation and disadvantageous to the youth?

    But yeah….I’m a fool because why? You say because the Republicans were behind the bank bail out?….wait a minute….that is exactly what inspired the Tea Party….oh…wait…..had wider Dem support. What a weak stretch. Nice try, Densico.

    Your defense of being liberal is because TARP had bipartisan support. Holy shit…you don’t have a soul…or spine…or both. That’s your response to my anger over a total and constant lack of accountability? Desperate and weak.

  45. you realize that when people finally wake up and learn they have been completely duped…it aint ever pretty. So….keep expanding….and lying….and hiding….and lying….and expanding…..etc.

    By the time I am a senior citizen…I predict an awful storm.

  46. I still have yet to get over this. I knew we were done. Bib Papi is a horrible monster and very clutch one.

  47. Way-back in comments:

    Love Calvin and Hobbes. Love it. Real philosophy that gets internalized so easily, because one is disarmed by the humor. Effectiveness in moral teaching that preaching ne’er achieves. Ever.

    Alfie – “is MacAuliffe’s platform appealing to VA?” I think not; the paper had it right; both candidates are losers. But MacAuliffe gets a pass to some degree, because he does not anger or frighten people. Cuccinelli, I believe, does both, as does his house ni**er, Rev. EW Jackson. My experience is that in US, many women do not agree with abortion and would never have one (Never say never!), but they want to make that decision themselves. Right or wrong, they see Cuccinelli as someone who is just dying to order them around, and they won’t vote for him. The current Republican strategy isn’t working, and their response is to double down. Makes no sense at all.

  48. “You want Obama to resign because the web site doesn’t work? If he doesn’t fire someone you’ll find him wanting. If he does then he’s “blaming someone else”.

    Tigre you’re a child. Truly.”

    Huh? Resign?

    Yeah. I’m the child.

    Read what I wrote and try again man boy.

  49. “Don’t you have a young child? Seriously do you discourage him from dreaming about a better world where fewer people suffer? ”

    No. I discourage [them] from dreaming and actually making people suffer you nitwit.

  50. Pro life politicians seem to do fine at the local level. My state house is packed with them. I suspect this may be the case in many states. And I live in blue Michigan. Throw in the fact that polling data consistently shows a pro life stance to actually not be the polarizing catalyst among women you make it out to be and I think I can make a valid case you might be projecting a little bit, bud.

  51. “Don’t you have a young child? Seriously do you discourage him from dreaming about a better world where fewer people suffer? ”

    I discourage mine from believing the fairy tale that GOVERNMENT is capable of accomplishing that, even if it had the authority to attempt it.

  52. “Rutherford, that came from a debate page. Step up or step off. Ask before you assume. Now answer the question.”

    I am very impressed Noah. That time on the debate page is doing you some good. You managed not to call me a bitch. 🙂

    The answer to your “question” is that the woman’s testimonial is her case and can be countered by others who like the choices they are seeing.

  53. Let me repeat: this is the norm. The more complicated the interfaces the less likely it will work.

    No, that is not the norm – especially for $634,000,000.00. Not even close.

    This system is not even that complicated, contrary to what the media is telling us and could have easily been created by a number of real private “experts” for a fraction of the price.

    There are hundreds if not thousands of corporate America web-based systems far more complicated that the Obamacare system written and maintained for a fraction of the price across this nation alone.

    If there has ever been a project that demonstrates the private sector always is far, far superior in talent and achievement, I can’t think of one.

  54. The answer to your “question” is that the woman’s testimonial is her case and can be countered by others who like the choices they are seeing.

    R, not sure how much I can dumb this down for you. I presented you a real case from a real person. She is not the only one. That others are not experiencing it does not answer to her case. That is a cheap cop out. Why don’t you admit you are too inept on the subject to give an actual answer?

    I dont get what it is that you fear that you cannot put hand to keyboard and contribute. Its own own fucking block and on the topic of this page. Am I wasting my time trying to engage you on a subject you choose?

  55. Rabbit said he had was looking for me so I thought I’d see what nonsense was occurring here. Apparently a lot.

    R thinks that the ACA roll out is normal. Note to self: NEVER go to R for IT support. If you think this is normal, then I seriously question your project management skills. PMP my ass…

    Nothing changes here. R, you’ve never been able to defend Obama with facts and logic. Even this Cromwell bit was an ironic fail on your part. The dictator doesn’t like Parliament, or Congress, or anyone else that questions their decisions. And I’m sure you blamed the reporters and their repeated questions on the “normal” fails of the healthcare roll out for Carney’s rush out of the Press meeting too.

    Even libs recognize that this has been an epic fail. EPIC FAIL. Of course, that makes your defense of the normality of this that much more pathetic and hacktastic. There was a point where I thought that, while deluded in liberal ideology, you at least could examine things with some semblance of objectivity. But either I was completely wrong, or you’ve lost any iota of objectivity you once had. All I can say is wow, you’re an intellectually frail and pathetic man.

  56. G, according to Rutherford he is “objective” and has “evolved” in his views.

    Now the question is, “where’s Waldo?” We’ve been looking and can’t find it.

    The prevailing theory is that id he disagrees with the scope of some moron on MSNBC that constitutes “evolution” of his views since he holds none of his own.

    I think he just talks out of his ass.

  57. BiC, incredible that even my young children don’t dream of a system of government that throughout history has failed in every one of its iterations, isn’t it.

    As I said, this is the tip of the iceberg. R, a Harvard grad who by all appearance is dependent on the functioning delivery of medical services, disregards the coming train wreck believing his “good intentions” rule the day. Just click your heels. . . 🙄

    And to get this out of the way, “fuck your R” for your contribution to the immeasurable debt and burdens placed on my children because of your liberal fantasies.

  58. Rutherford – I think that this is a very clear-headed analysis of this out-of-control Federal money-printing machine, and the damage it’s done — and will do.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/16/napolitano-a-rising-torrent-of-debt-and-destructio/

    Yes, I know the Times is a conservative rag; that does not make what it says any the less true.

    I found the most interesting line in the article to be how much the currency has already been debased: the original income tax was supposed to only apply to people making over $10,000/year – ABOUT $250,000 IN TODAY’S MONEY. Why should I – or anybody else – work and save? It will all go to the government, to throw and sling at will. Why not just sit on your ass and do nothing?

    Which, of course, is precisely what a large proportion of the American population is doing. Who is going to make the money to pay all the bills? Answer: nobody; they just won’t get paid.

  59. I’m not sure there’s enough light between Martin Bashir, Alan Grayson, and Harry Reid. A poor leader makes for ruined followers and their lying tongues bring destruction that passes going too far by a million miles. It’s particularly odious to subject those – who’ve nowhere to run and no way to hide from these thugs – to a shaking down of our lunch money before being spat on for objecting and marked ungrateful that we were left with only our pants.

    This country is past wanting and has entered into needing to be divided up. Let us go our separate ways and divide the land. I personally would consider it a grand gesture of good riddance to bygones if you’d grant asylum to McCain, McConnell and King and welcome them to your acreage as political refugees. I know I’m forgetting someone…

  60. Lincoln settled the “divide the country” question. End of discussion. US is, unfortunately, going to have to roll up its sleeves and get to work.

  61. R
    While you are devising ways to get out of answering the hard question here is another point you should consider. Search for the poverty guideline chart and the deductible chart, put them side by side and then tell us how affordable it is and how someone that is working a medium to low wage job, supposed to pay thousands out of pocket besides the monthly payments, before the insurance pays for anything?

  62. Lincoln only “settled” it because his side won. There’s no guarantee that outcome would be repeated in future attempts.

    See what I did there? I continued the discussion.

    Disclaimer: The above statement was in no way, shape, or form intended as a threat against any individual or against the United States.

  63. Hmmmm. I don’t know if Lincoln settled anything. Not in regard to the underlying control of the banksters and nothing of real permanence, anyway. The US has been taken over by psychopaths, and their fakeries are more evident with each new morning.

    Borders are human constructs, arbitrary to nature. Organic beings don’t always follow the path they are projected or stimulated to take. That is what tptb are working to change. The divide should be between them and us. We’re much easier to diffuse if we are clubbing each other.

  64. “Read what I wrote and try again man boy.”

    I read what you wrote and you made Obama firing someone equivalent to his not taking blame for the failed web site. So clearly the only way for him to take the blame is to fire himself.

    Exactly what do YOU want Obama to do now about the web site?

  65. @#100 – “Hmmmm. As I said right after it happened, even a couple of the libs here at my office claimed it was a fakery when they saw it (see #21).”

    Interesting observations (re: the link.) I loved the line about “animated props.” I caught two additional actions incongruous with the circumstances – Obarmy turns AWAY from fainting woman back to the microphone to say “I’ve got you” and when he makes his overutilized crack about talking too long – fainting woman chuckles.

    Why would he instantly assume this very pregnant fainting woman was OK?

  66. @#101 – the next time you “end of discussion” anyone make sure you read the damn article, Poser.

    Enjoy extinction, Jurassic Parker. 🙂

    Disclaimer: The above statement was in no way, shape, or form intended as a threat against any individual or against the United States.

  67. “This system is not even that complicated, contrary to what the media is telling us.”

    Sorry Tex you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re right that the user interface and traffic issues are IT 101 and there’s no excuse there. But when I talk complicated I’m talking the data feeds coming from the web site to disparate insurance systems, some of them quite antiquated. That IS complicated and needs extensive testing. Right now reports say the system is sending garbage data downstream.

    Your public private sector comment is nonsensical. The work wasn’t insourced using Fed programmers. It was outsourced to the PRIVATE sector and they screwed the pooch.

  68. “That others are not experiencing it does not answer to her case.”

    Yes it answers to YOUR case. You would like us to believe this woman is the norm and not the exception and you have not proven that.

    Do you really believe any system is one size fits all? I would submit far more Americans have had an unacceptable experience at the average emergency room. Would you like to close down all ER’s or improve them?

  69. “R thinks that the ACA roll out is normal. Note to self: NEVER go to R for IT support. If you think this is normal, then I seriously question your project management skills. PMP my ass…”

    The fact is most Project Managers give lip service to the PMBOK (do you know what that is, asshole?) but depart from it for expediency’s sake.

    Every flaw I pointed out in average software development is true. If you saw what goes on in the offices of IBM you would tear your hair out.

    So bottom line Gorilla stick to your guns and top secret missions and STFU about software development. You don’t know shit.

    P.S. Anyone here who thinks I find the Obamacare web site fiasco acceptable is hearing what they want to hear. All I’m saying is my outrage is tempered by my low expectations.

  70. R, your comment’s too stupid to warrant response. Go back to your MSNBC induced fog. I’m not doing this with you again.

    Tex, that site had to incoporate 11000 pages of inconsistent regulations and thousands more impossible statutory mandates written by the morons R worships to function. The whole project is stupid and impossible to implement.

    And now Obama wants to delay like terrorists.

  71. “BiC, incredible that even my young children don’t dream of a system of government that throughout history has failed in every one of its iterations, isn’t it. ”

    Stuck on stupid again. Social Security a total failure? The public school system though far from perfect a total failure? The postal service pretty damn good. Your local police funded by your tax dollars a total failure?

    You want anarchy dude? We’ve got a friggin ocean on either side of us and all you want the gov to do is protect us from foreign threats … and Mexicans. 🙄

  72. “This country is past wanting and has entered into needing to be divided up. Let us go our separate ways and divide the land. ”

    Good googly moogly Muffy has gone full blown Tex on us. 😯

  73. “,… put them side by side and then tell us how affordable it is and how someone that is working a medium to low wage job, supposed to pay thousands out of pocket besides the monthly payments, before the insurance pays for anything?”

    Yeah like the insurance my company CURRENTLY offers me. The status quo sucks. Do you defend it and want to keep it?

    I have said on these very pages that Obamacare just by virtue of its legislative complexity is a clusterfuck. But it’s a start.

    Medicare for all dammit!

  74. But when I talk complicated I’m talking the data feeds coming from the web site to disparate insurance systems, some of them quite antiquated. That IS complicated and needs extensive testing.

    “R”, you’re a fine mouthpiece for Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap and I enjoy the site immensely obviously, but I don’t think you’re terribly familiar with relational database development, or more likely you’re dancing on the head of the Obamanation pin.

    You can send me the most antiquated data feed, even text format, and I could use one, perhaps two SQL stored procedures to insert data into a usable format, index the keys, and be ready to go within days, or hours, or perhaps minutes. And most of these “feeds” you speak were a one time event. They’ve had three years to mine data, dude.

    When in the hell have you ever heard of a system that costs damn near 3/4 of a billion dollars? Hell, enterprise wide systems like SAP cost Fortune 50 companies perhaps twenty million and they’re infinitely more complex that this POS.

    Right now reports say the system is sending garbage data downstream.

    That’s what happens when you’ve got ignorance leading Obama Altar Worshipers, managed by Biden thieves and charlatans. They’ve had three years to mine data. And don’t tell me these “antiquated systems” don’t have a repetitive degree and routine. Insurance data is insurance data, medical records are medical records, tax returns are tax returns.

    Add to the fact, this excuse rings pretty hollow when a cursory look at the design shows even the concept of approach F U. Many can’t even get to the Obama Toothy Logo screen.

    You know that. Quit making excuses for these morons.

    You and I could have done better. 😀

  75. Good googly moogly Muffy has gone full blown Tex on us. 😯

    A woman after my own heart – and brilliant to boot. 😈

    Rutherford, you better be nice. Muffy will stomp your scraggly ass like your wife does and stick that nailed stiletto up your keister.

  76. Rutherford, it would have been nice to hear a little of these “low expectations” that you supposedly knew of the whole time.

    I don’t know, something like this for us laymen:

    “Hey guys…you don’t really understand the implementation side of this bill. As it is structured right now…its an impossibility. It needs to be delayed at the very least.”

    Amazingly…..I’ve been combing through this site and I never found you saying this.

    PS…I can always tell when you are scrambled…you call us names a lot more. Love it baby. Connect with your dark side.

    YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND WE ARE LAUGHING OUR ASSES OFF AT YOU AS PER USUAL.

    Poor Rutherford…always let down by his idols.

    pss……. .6 billion dollars dude….. .6 billion dollars on the web site. 3.5 years. Looks like someone else from your industry says you are full of ka ka. Come on buddy…..lets see a good ol’ fashion tech jargon fight with Tex.

  77. “Yes it answers to YOUR case. You would like us to believe this woman is the norm and not the exception and you have not proven that.

    Do you really believe any system is one size fits all? I would submit far more Americans have had an unacceptable experience at the average emergency room. Would you like to close down all ER’s or improve them?”

    I again see I have overestimated you. In Louisiana, Only blue cross blue shield was found to be acceptable. Many other insurance plans have failed to meet the requirements posed by ACA. It is telling of a weak and unstable argument when one insists on absolute proof just to allow himself to give a comment. I do not know if this is the norm. I do know that tens of thousands are experiencing this for certain, possibly hundreds of thousands. Well more than enough to make it worthy of being addressed.

    No one is denying that health care reform was needed. It was however a really bad idea to nationalize it before dealing with healthcare costs. I call that putting the cart before the horse.

    I am curious how far Obama’s dick must be lodged down your throat that you fight this hard when you know ACA is not the answer. Why is the only option you see is to support it? Why not demand legislators miss a half dozen vacations and work weekends to give us a better law minus all these obvious flaws?

  78. Driving is a priviledge until it fringes on my rights…

    Hand over the keys and back away from the vehicle. We’re not only still in the ditch, mud’s halfway up the door panel. Sheesh!

  79. Ah yes. Gun to the head terrorist, hostage takers wanted a year delay to individual mandate. After inflicting all the pain he could for political gain… Obama agrees.

    How many people have been dropped from coverage, seen their rise beyond their means, had hours cut back…

  80. CBS is reporting that one of the website fixes essentially now lies to be people about costs in order to speed up the process. “Shop and Browse” is sometimes off by 100%.

    This is the new America, comrades.

  81. “How many people have been dropped from coverage, seen their rise beyond their means, had hours cut back…”

    You are such a buzz kill. You need to learn how to dream big, maaaaaaaan.

    Fucking people over and empowering kleptocrats is small potatoes, brah. Moving oceans and stuff. A new era of transparency. If you like your insurance you get to keep it.

    You lie!

  82. sorry – screwed up the HTML in the previous one. Would you delete it, Rutherford? Thanks.

    R – something has to happen to the conversation in this country. Honest to god, I don’t see how we are going to survive. I’m beginning to believe the average person is as dumb as owl shit.

    I was just having dinner at the restaurant bar here in Phoenix and happened to have a short – scratch that – all too long conversation with a 40-something female while I ate my shrimp.

    She started out explaining to me about a magnificent radiation procedure that had cured what ailed her — but it was illegal, she was sure, because it worked, and the AMA and insurance companies and drug companies were against it. She was a bit fuzzy about the physics involved, but said the machine was built “in the ‘thirties.” The major side benefit was that the good “vibrations” then emanating from her also cured her cat when she got home. She really didn’t seem unbalanced or think that she had said anything out of the ordinary.

    Then she undertook to explain to me that the Tea Party was 100% racist, because Obama was black. When I explained that he was only half black, she said I was a racist.

    We went on to discuss items in the news: she was interested in Google’s new life-extending project, and how that could possibly work. I suggested that lifespan was probably genetically determined; she said we shouldn’t talk about numbers because she didn’t understand them; what was important was the “humanity” involved. Dead end there. I was glad my shrimp and diet Pepsi were running low.

    She then decided that I needed to be educated about Obamacare. I asked how we would pay for it. She said I shouldn’t be negative, that it was a “start.” I said that starting in the wrong direction was worse than not starting at all, since you then had to make up the distance you went the wrong way to get back to the starting line.

    She said I was a racist.

    My shrimp was all gone. Thank god.

  83. “You own it…. all of it….”

    Nope. For President Accountability, it’s the right’s fault again.

    Pathetic as always.

  84. Public debt? Who cares? Aren’t you a dreamer? Don’t you want libraries, police, public schools — and all kinds of other “municipal” services financed with local tax dollars as some kind of basis to equate continue running up federal debt, you anarchist?

  85. What I have gleaned from the last 4 plus years of the healthcare debacle debate: If you like your current government, you can keep it. If not, you could shop around for a better one or simply choose not to participate.

    Attempts at changing the one we have have proven to be futile efforts. A quick perusal of famous quotes from our founders and other statesmen of historic prominence demand we fire or otherwise do away with the treasonous bastards.

    Remember when Obama said if he couldn’t turn this thing around in 3 years, he’d be a one-term president? Has anything improved? I can’t come up with anything that has improved in the last 4 years. Somebody give me something tangible that has improved, please.

  86. Just learned an interesting tid-bit about Obamacare: if you do not get a refund, they cannot enforce the mandate penalty.

    The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner.

    Footnote from JCT regarding subtitle F: IRS authority to assess and collect taxes is generally provided in subtitle F, “Procedure and Administration” in the Code. That subtitle establishes the rules governing both how taxpayers are required to report information to the IRS and pay their taxes as well as their rights. It also establishes the duties and authority of the IRS to enforce the Code, including civil and criminal penalties.

    Oversight? Incompetence? This thing essentially has a .357 pointed right between its own eyes just waiting to pull the trigger. The trigger, of course, simultaneously killing this failed legislation and announcing the next debate on single payer healthcare. Obamacare, as most of us know and have stated before, was never meant to work. The problem is that it was never meant to fail this soon because, like a drug dealer, needs the addict to be in the system and on the drip.

  87. “Obamacare, as most of us know and have stated before, was never meant to work. The problem is that it was never meant to fail this soon because, like a drug dealer, needs the addict to be in the system and on the drip.”

    Bingo.

  88. 😯 😆 That was some funny albeit crude commentary, Tigre. I won’t ask what motivated you to seek out such advice. Please no, as muffy might beg. tmi. That dead rabbit character is a baaad influence.

  89. “R, your comment’s too stupid to warrant response. Go back to your MSNBC induced fog. I’m not doing this with you again.”

    I don’t know what comment you’re referring to but if it’s the one where I busted your lame ass about Obama not “taking the blame” then of course you’re not going to respond.

    Your non-response is response enough. Thank you Sir and goodnight.

  90. “You and I could have done better. 😀 ”

    You’re absolutely right Tex but why?

    Because we would have demanded proper requirements gathering, process decomposition during design, realistic coding time estimates and above all else we would have tested the shit out of it.

    This thing NEVER got a beta test.

    Could we take a small break from Obama bashing to ask how CGI possibly stays in business? Even IBM with all its flaws covers its ass better than this.

  91. I guarantee it was designed to NOT work. I don’t pretend to know who exactly would design it purposely to not work, but NOTHING is by chance. Everything is staged and professionally performed.

  92. You’re absolutely right Tex but why?

    “R”, let me summarize Tigre’s complaint and concern in one sentence since you gave up on him:

    If you don’t now admit that Obama has been dishonest and grossly inept, and has neither been transparent or held accountable as promised, then you have purged truth from your mind.

    Why? Because this week, more people have lost their insurance this week than enrolled in Obamacare.

    They’ll get the website to work because contrary to your original assertion, this is not a terribly complicated process: conceptually input, retrieve, nested loop, insert…you know that. If it were simply retrieving bad info, I would agree with your data stream and lack of testing. That might be excusable. But they can’t even get the system to do basic functionality. This thing is so poorly designed, that even I cannot believe Barack Obama could be this monumentally stupid, and it purposely done to push single payer in a panic. Yes, I think this administration that twisted.

    But the real problem is, if a government can’t even design and develop a system for $640,000,000, what do you think they’re going to do with the facilitation of healthcare – infinitely more complex.

  93. “Could we take a small break from Obama bashing to ask how CGI possibly stays in business?”

    Boy, we’ve sure come a long way from the “you get what you pay for” we heard last week, haven’t we?

    What’s funny is that CGI blames the government.

    “In more than four hours of testimony before the House Energy and Commerce Committee, officials of companies hired to create the HealthCare.gov website cited a lack of testing on the full system and last-minute changes by the federal agency overseeing the online enrollment system.”

    Lack of testing and last minute changes. Doesn’t that sound EXACTLY like this administration?

    “The Obama administration launched its troubled healthcare insurance website after only a minimum of crucial system-wide testing, despite contractors warning officials repeatedly about performance risks, a congressional panel heard on Thursday.”

    Failure to heed warnings. Doesn’t that sound EXACTLY like this administration?

    “Slavitt and Cheryl Campbell, senior vice president for CGI Federal, the main contractor, said months of testing would have been preferable for a big new information technology system but that the testing schedule for Healthcare.gov was determined by CMS.”

    Tick tock, tick tock. The mandate is waiting.

    Unless you already have a waiver, of course……

    I say no more support for delay. The law is the law. And, as we’ve been told, ObamaCare is the law of the land. Let’s see how happy everyone is when the deadline is close and people still can’t sign up.

    Democrats had their chance at a delay. They told everyone to fuck off.

    So fuck off. Sign up, pay the fine, or start screaming for a repeal of the law.

  94. But, but, but, you can keep your doctor?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Hundreds of thousands of Americans who purchase their own health insurance have received cancellation notices since August because the plans do not meet Obamacare’s requirements.

    The number of cancellation notices greatly exceed the number of Obamacare enrollees.

    Insurance carrier Florida Blue sent out 300,000 cancellation notices, or 80 percent of the entire state’s individual coverage policies, Kaiser Health News reports.

    California’s Kaiser Permanente canceled 160,000 plans — half of its insurance plans in the state — while Blue Shield of California sent 119,000 notices in mid-September alone.

  95. Obamanomics…

    Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau.
    They also out-numbered the total population of the Philippines.

    There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

    That means there were about 1.07 people getting some form of means-tested government benefit for every 1 person working full-time year round.

  96. I think the final analysis of this subject goes a little like this.
    1)The ACA will remain the law until such time as the People make their leaders listen. I don’t hold much confidence in that since every entitlement program ever initiated in the USA has stayed in effect in one way or another.

    2)ACA enrollment will take time but regardless of the website the sign ups,government growth and everything else will roll on.

    3)In time the People will forget about what has been put upon them and just go about life,completely unaware that a numb of issues in their lives and their children’s lives are damaged forever.

    4)Over time the masses will become complacent,compliant and even supportive of what comes from this.

    5)Insurance companies WILL MAKE TONS AND TONS OF MONEY

    6)Spin doctors will persist with the pro O Care ones winning the day.

    7) The tax argument which was illegally drafted in the Supreme Court will become the harshest precedent US society will ever ever face.I hope the liberals remember when the sword is tipping up against their throats.

    8)I find it ironic and delicious that single payer is actually less likely to occur anytime soon than in any other time in US history. Contrary to those that say ACA will usher it [single] in I believe the forced commerce will actually keep it out. One of the ways I find this to be true is that individuals over the very short term will be forced to carry their own health insurance via exchanges and twisted arrangements with their employers. this will come in the form of CDHC plans and will also dawn very soon under the guise of “portability plans” which will find GOP support.

    9) Of all my predictions this one is the strongest I believe in. We are about to experience an acceleration of cash and class divide that will bring memories of the worse times flooding back. We’re talking early 20th Century on steroids.

    I know my scores on procrastinations are in total no more than .500 batting. I missed the Romney election by a mile and then some and Hugo Chavez did everything I thought he would but start a conflict I was sure he’d do. Still I think the writing is on the wall on this one and even a tea leaf reading crank like me can see it for what its worth.
    Will the USA survive it? Will it be a USA worth caring if it does?

  97. “Why not demand legislators miss a half dozen vacations and work weekends to give us a better law minus all these obvious flaws?”

    Noah that’s the most constructive thing I’ve heard you say in a long time and I agree 100%.

  98. Noah…..Rutherford and his friends were nothing but supportive when Pelosi said we have to pass the bill before we know what’s in it.

    And all of us blindly allowed the Patriot Act to pass without any question.

    We deserve this. Its too bad a shrinking minority of producers pay the price for wholesale ignorant fools fawning over pep talks about moving oceans.

    The fact Rutherford isn’t the angriest of us all over the roll out of Obamacare says it all.

  99. It is very real. Actually, it’s not as bad as it sounds. The students were given permission to name the new cafeteria when it was built, and that is what they named it.

    Rumor has it that when the judge sentenced Packer, he said something like, “Alferd Packer-you-son-of-a-bitch! There wuz only seven Democrats in Hinsdale County, and you et four!

    Packer is a bit of a local folk hero.

  100. Regarding 58, Noah I can’t believe you touted that video as something of quality. I settled in to hear what I thought would be an intelligent defense of conservatism only to see the Zonation host go off on a bender about homosexuality. Yes I watched all 11 minutes. Dude is articulate but as I said the video starts on one topic and then goes off on a complete tangent.

    I like Pope Francis’ brand of Christianity. I suspect Zonation host does not.

  101. I had not heard of Alferd Packer, so I looked it up. I thought you were just kidding at first, but damn if it isn’t true.

    I haven’t heard anything that twisted since Lambda Chi house at LSU bought a flat screen for the home of the blind. 😆

  102. I like Pope Francis’ brand of Christianity. I suspect Zonation host does not.

    You’ve gotten the media version. You’re going to be sorely disappointed if you actually read what Francis really wrote, “R”.

  103. Did you guys catch this? I just saw it and apparently this has been going on all over the place. The military is dumping chaff over us and has been since the late 40’s. This report basically says the size is supposedly too big to be of harm, so they can’t predict or foresee any long-term health effects from its use. Since this is silica and aluminum, both respiratory toxins to humans, I can’t see a problem, can you? It wouldn’t help explain the massive increase in respiratory and skin conditions in Americans, now would it? Killing us softly.

  104. We deserve this. Its too bad a shrinking minority of producers pay the price for wholesale ignorant fools fawning over pep talks about moving oceans.

    You don’t see yourself as a producer. You see yourself as a drain on society. As I’ve said before you either have an idiotic level of modesty or an unhealthy level of self loathing.

    The rich get rich off the backs of the less-rich. There was a time when they recognized this and shared their wealth (through higher wages and job security) with those less-rich. Those days are gone. They will suck the system dry to line their own pockets. “Go fuck yourself Rabbit, I’ve got an Asian or Brazilian sucker who will do my work at half the wages you will. So enjoy unemployment and watch your family suffer asshole.”

    That is where we are Rabbit. Keeping sucking the dick of the “producers”. No wonder you didn’t get the huge insult embedded in Mitt Romney’s 47% comment.

  105. I’m not a drain on society. However, sometimes I think my worth is due more to society’s faults then anything else. If people had their shit together, I would be worth a lot less. But that is a conversation for another day.

    I don’t take any risks. I don’t hire anybody. I don’t produce anything. My job only exists because other people do these things. I have a great respect for where my bacon comes from. That’s all.

    I’m not self loathing. In fact, I’m now sure most people actually can’t do what I do. I do have a unique set of skills.

    I’m happy with my pay. I think it’s fair. Many on the right think I’m compensated too much. Many on the left think I’m strangely some sort of victim. It’s weird, but I always notice this look of disappointment when I tell a liberal that I’m not angry over my job. It’s like I’m expected to be. I’ve also run into right wing bigotry towards me becuase of my profession. Both sides can blow me.

    Don’t get me wrong. Like all jobs, it can be rough at times. This year is horrible compared to my last 4 or 5. But, after logging in some years of experience, you kind of learn to deal with it and self reflect a little on why a given year is shitty. I won’t bore you with the details. As an experienced person in my line of work, I’ve learned not to freak out too much about a bad year. It’s like a sports team. Some seasons suck thanks bad luck and a couple of mistakes. It will pass.

  106. “The rich get rich off the backs of the less-rich”

    What a petty and vile loser you have turned out to be. I assure you nobody got rich off my back without my consent. And I say this as a former roofer. Keep on playing the violin, you wet sock. Don’t worry, some rich “asshole” will end up funding your daughter’s college tuition in the form of a grant. We can only pray her thankless father’s pathetic victim status doesn’t end up keeping her down too.

    You had more opportunity in your lifetime then 5 generations of Rabbits. Harvard educated and tech savy during the greatest tech boom in human history. And you couldn’t think of one fucking idea on how to cash in? Didn’t have the balls to take a risk? Guess what….either did I.

    Nah….you deserve minimum wage. Go back to defending Obamacare and being on the team, brah. Things are awesome in Oregon.

  107. I was reading old posts and comment threads at my place this evening. In the “A Leftist Parable Rebutted” thread, Rutherford threw out the “Party of No” meme.

    I chuckled and thought to myself “If we could count on those spineless bastards to do their jobs,. it would be the Party of HELL NO!”

  108. “Lack of testing and last minute changes. Doesn’t that sound EXACTLY like this administration?”

    That’s what I’m trying in vain to get through to you. That is EXACTLY like most clients who hire an IT firm. The IT firm has the tricky job of balancing “the customer is always right” with “the customer is an ignorant asshole who needs to be managed for his own good”. I get the impression that CGI is telling Congress they did their best to manage an ignorant customer.

    Maybe they did but the fact that the Canadian government fired their ass makes me doubt the credibility of their testimony.

  109. “And you couldn’t think of one fucking idea on how to cash in? Didn’t have the balls to take a risk? Guess what….either did I. ”

    Actually I started a business and I blame no one but myself that it wasn’t a huge success.

    Let’s get something straight. I’ve got NOTHING against business owners who understand the importance of their employees. I was MARRIED to IBM for my first 17 years there to the extent I didn’t have much time left over for a personal life. How I got lucky enough to find a wife still amazes me.

    Interestingly I found my wife right around the time that IBM started losing interest in its domestic employees. Maybe I saw the writing on the wall.

    But don’t label me with some victim self pity BS. It was BECAUSE of my early years at IBM that I knew how good a huge corporation could be if IT MATTERED TO THEM. My notion of a decent corporate citizen isn’t some fantasy. From 1983 to about 1991 I lived it. I know it is possible. And I know when businesses have lost their way and I submit most of them have.

  110. Here’s a question for you Rabbit. Why don’t we hear more often of companies asking everyone to take a modest pay cut so no one has to lose their job? Some companies have done it. I’ve read about it.

    OK let’s not burden other folks. Why haven’t we even heard of companies asking a single employee to take a modest pay cut in exchange for keeping his job? Why is it always the f*cking layoff Rabbit?

    I don’t think it’s too much to ask for companies to think outside the box to minimize the disruption in their employee’s lives.

    I am glad my wife and I got severance packages but I can’t exactly say I’m “grateful” for it. I’d prefer she had a job. Of course there is a rumor floating around that soon there will be no severance packages. It will just be adios. So I guess our timing was lucky after all.

  111. >>>OK let’s not burden other folks. Why haven’t we even heard of companies asking a single employee to take a modest pay cut in exchange for keeping his job? Why is it always the f*cking layoff Rabbit?<<<

    Because people generally don't take kindly to pay cuts. Not only does an inflated sense of entitlement lead people to not give a shit, they also get into issues where a disgruntled employee can do a metric shit-ton of damage to the company before any one is the wiser.

  112. This just in – the career in America with the greatest number of practitioners?

    Welfare recipient.

    Something has to give. People need jobs; you said that yourself, Rutherford. And it’s been shown over and over that the government cannot create jobs, no matter how much it spends on “makework.” The only folks who can create jobs is private enterprise, and they are being hounded out of existence.

    It reminds me of the old parable they told in church about trying to hold sand: the tighter you grasp it, the more it flows out between your fingers. You don’t help the poor by eating the rich. Yes, they can stand to be taxed, and are willing to pay reasonable taxes to fund the government and help those less fortunate. But at some point, you kill the goose that laid the golden egg. The entrepreneurs just lie down and quit working. That’s where we are now, IMHO.

  113. We are home for the weekend. Our grand daughter is still progressing well, though her nasal passages are too small, and they could cause trouble if she catches a cold. She may also be prone to ear infections.

    Our daughter is beginning to think her daughter has inherited our family’s willful and determined traits, not her father’s family laid back attitude.

    She is beginning to use vowels and consinants in conversational style. The doctors didn’t mention MRI scans or genetic tests last time– a good sign.

  114. Rutherford although BIC points are good ones you’re missing something regards layoffs vs asking folks to take less pay.

    When a company feels it is in trouble the payroll you see isn’t usually a sufficient arena to help them. The regulatory and tax costs employees take for granted weigh heavily on an employer. An employers share in SS,the unemployment insurance fees and workers comp dings are what helps make it easier to trim ones FTE’s via a layoff. There in lies part of the problem as well. Whether hourly or salary we are no longer employees,people. We are FTE’s Full Time Equivalents.
    I’d also float that in many states I doubt you are allowed to cut pay of hourly employees.In reality it is never really an asking thing when it happens anyway.
    My company has twice in ten years cut salaried employees pay,three times froze raises and recently offered buyouts. For hourly employees it has had raises,never more than 2% and has embraced the performance payout model of lump sum one time payments. All along but once posting good stock news.
    As glum as that sounds I would still put it to you that it isn’t purely greed that motivates this kind of corporate behavior.

  115. @ parker 175 that is exactly what people are saying is gonna happen in NYC when deBlasio wins. Some folks have tried to spin the Dinkins years as not being all that bad and I would concede some of the stats could be seen to pan that out. Hands down though Rudy did a lot of good for the Big Apple,stuff that will be reversed by the Dem darling coming on.

  116. I read that about the welfare recipients.

    Long before Obama was famous, he observed that the US did not deserve its super power status any more than earlier European colonial oppressors and exploiters.We also did not deserve the wealth we had created at the expense of others.

    He knows a dependent class will vote for the politicians who provide the groceries.The Soviets tried to create a paradise with central planning and dependency. Its true Russia didn’t have a tradition of political freedom, that we do, but people, even Americans, can be domesticated like cattle.

    Earning one’s own living through gainful employment can be trained out of the culture. Extremist Democrats like Obama are doing it to us now. Some of the older generation opposed the fall of the Soviets because without the government to care for them, how would they manage? I told lifers that I would not remain in the Air Force, and some couldn’t understand how one could manage in the private world.

    The goose is resting in a hospital bed waiting for an Obamacare doctor to find the time to consult the death panel.

  117. I like your topic, Rutherford. Another example of extremists going too far is the attacks on Sarah Palin and her family which still continue.

    Modern liberals want to treat their enemies as Rome treated Carthage– to destroy everything and then to salt the earth.

  118. Rutherford not that it matters to you and yours severance pay will continue for salaried employees for the foreseeable future. There is a reason for this. First the “suits” that are staying need the illusion. Second and more importantly severance in most cases I’ve seen are tied more to confidentiality and non compete disclosures than they are “sorry but thanks” kind of things.
    Meanwhile Joe and Joan Lunchpail will continue to be shit out of luck and in many cases lucky if their last check even shows or doesn’t bounce when it does.
    Quick Rutherford! I need you to write something that proves you actually have some empathy for all the blue collar Employee 51’s out there (ya know like a (D) should) as opposed to the college educated humps who in their own arrogance have helped ruin the US economy.

  119. I found another song to play for our grand daughter–Eva & Manu-Feet in the Water.

    Eva is French. Manu is a Finn.They met while studying music in Boston. After two years, they ran back to Eva’s home land and worked on French farms while they prepared for their debut album.

    They got a break in Iceland and solidified critical acknowledgment at a national music festival in Estonia.

    Maybe its false, but stories like this give me hope.

  120. Thanks, Alfie. We may be able to take a short trip next week.

    Our son-in law’s parents planned to help though they live four hours away, but his father was diagnosed with heart failure after three days in the hospital two weeks ago. He has let others do much of his ministerial duty since then, and he will visit a hospital in Sioux Falls in a week or so to further guess his prognosis.

    Had that train killed my wife and me, the little family would have had some serious problems, especially considering the expense of day care and our daughter’s having to pay an extra $300 per month for insurance, assuming she can stay insured. Our grand daughter also would not have been super stimulated to overcome her initial problems.

    One of our daughter’s co-workers said she would pay us $25.00 per hour if we cared for her kids. We considered freaking our daughter out by putting some neighborhood children on the front lawn for her to see when she came from from work. It wouldn’t work now, because she usually doesn’t get home until 7 to 9 PM.

  121. Explain why Obama is subsidizing healthcare for congress who make 174k a year but for women making 36k women get 0? Isn’t this supporting the WAR on women by democrats???

  122. “Another example of extremists going too far is the attacks on Sarah Palin and her family which still continue.”

    No excuse to attack the family but Sarah is a dimwit who speaks in word salad. A pox on her.

    Sarah only wishes she were Ted Cruz. Sarah is a joke. Cruz could be a threat. The difference? Intelligence.

  123. “Rutherford not that it matters to you and yours severance pay will continue for salaried employees for the foreseeable future.”

    I hope for the sake of future IBM casualties that you are right but rumor has it you are wrong.

    By the way the “union” at IBM is a complete joke. Basically they have a web site where people go to bitch and moan. No bargaining power whatsoever.

  124. Case by case I imagine R but my experience has been more in line with what I said.IBM is a weird company. From how it just rolled over and let Lenova come about let alone their legacy fall. I don’t get the company at all. I can really sympathize with you that your front row seat must have been disappointing to say the least.

  125. By the way Noah I do owe you an actual critique of Zonation who I’ve seen in other videos.

    I won’t address his homosexual sideshow and will simply address his contention conservatives serve the national interest while democrats serve special interests.

    In a word–bullshit. EVERY politician serves the special interests of those who vote for them and line their pockets. Mr. Zonation is in a fantasy world if he believes otherwise.

  126. A flip side example is Verizon. An evil company if there ever was one but they do pretty good by their loyalists. I ve got family went way up over his career. No compete clauses up tha lazoo when he retired but he is truly set in ways I can’t dream of.

  127. 189
    That is what most of us Conservatives believe. I have been to 3 Tea Party events. These are the things we say, believe and support. You dismiss it out of hand, but is a dismissal born of ignorance. Now if I missed it tell me, but what was your reaction to the women’s issue I presented that you thought was a chain letter? There are an estimated 14 million people who will fall into a similar scenario.

  128. Just when you thought Obama couldn’t do any worse with foreign policy he gets caught spying on allies and has the Saudis re-evaluating their relationship with the US.

    Maybe he’ll make it up to them all with an Ipod full his greatest speeches or something

    And just think…we haven’t even hit bottom yet. There’s still 3 more years of foreign policy free fall left to suffer.

  129. Sarah Palin is many things, but she is not dumb. Remember when people mocked her about the Affordable Care Act death panels until she was proven right.

    Several writers before 2010 estimated her IQ at 110 to 120. They based their intelligence estimate on her education level and job performance. Only a test would give a true picture of her intelligence. Most of the bloggers estimating her smarts wanted to prove she was stupid.

    Her problem with many urbanized people is that she isn’t very cultured or polished.

    We know you are much brighter than Palin, so by comparison, she is dumb, but compared to the general population, she is one of the brighter bulbs in the box.

    I know your visceral hatred of Sarah, and decided to have a little fun. Our four month + old grand daughter tries the same on me when she pushes the bottle from her mouth and gives me a big smile as she pushes it back, then out and back in. Our sense of humor runs in the family.

  130. @ Huck I for one would like to hear more about Saudi Arabia reevaluating its relations with the USA. I would in advance of seeing anything you have say it is the USA that should be reevaluating its relationship with Saudi Arabia.
    As for the continuing fallout of NSA vs Europe I say fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.

  131. “I can really sympathize with you that your front row seat must have been disappointing to say the least.”

    What was more puzzling to me than the Lenovo relationship was the purchase of Lotus. Either right before or right after the purchase Lotus decided to merge an email product (ccmail) with a database sharing product (Lotus Notes) with disastrous results at the enterprise level. Notes never really scaled well enough to support email but they persisted.

    The real capper though was when they finally stopped forcing us to use the Lotus Smartsuite (including the once iconic Lotus 1-2-3) and let us use Microsoft Office. One reason? We couldn’t send anything outside the company for review because the industry standard had become Office.

    I never understood Big Blue’s desire to be a software company. It was never their strength.

    It can be argued their best move was their foray into the services business where I spent the bulk of my career. But then again that is also where I got a taste of what PM nightmares we were capable of.

  132. James the problem with death panels, and you know this is that the advisory panel so nicknamed will NEVER be intervening in a particular medical case or a particular patients care contrary to what Sarah would have you believe.

  133. “I would in advance of seeing anything you have say it is the USA that should be reevaluating its relationship with Saudi Arabia.”

    I agree especially since a number of the 9/11 murderers were of Saudi origin, a fact that has always been glossed over.

    Besides, no matter how rich they are they are still some backwards motherfuckers.

  134. The Saudi Israeli alliance. Worst kept secret in the Middle East for two decades now.

    One thing that does scare me is if 19 Suni sleeper agents can pull off 911, what can 1900 Hezbollah fighters pull off right here in Michigan, if push came to shove. And I know for a fact that they are here.

  135. “I agree especially since a number of the 9/11 murderers were of Saudi origin, a fact that has always been glossed over.”

    I’m interested to hear why you think that matters.

    Alfie..basically KSA doesn’t like what we’ve done (or haven’t done) regarding Syria and they think we’re too weak on Iran. Like everyone else in the world is learning…the Saudis are realizing that Barack Obama talks a lot of big shit but can’t be trusted to deliver.

    Now I don’t fault him for not doing some of the shit, because I would advise the same path in both of the above cases. Where I fault him is his talking shit. He talks like he’s going to do something, and then doesn’t. If he were up front with our allies, then they might not get so pissed off.

    But then, he lies to his own people so why should anyone else be surprised when he lies to them?

    On a similar note, KSA also just turned down a seat on the UNSC, citing basically that the body is a joke and they don’t want any part of it. So I concede that there’s a chance this has more to do with them than it does with us. But either way…there’s some definite reflection going on in the desert these days. And I don’t think it’s going to bear out well for our side of the relationship.

    some links…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/saudi-arabia-diplomat-shift-us

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2472680/Saudi-Arabia-severs-diplomatic-ties-US-response-conflict-Syria.html

    “The Saudi Israeli alliance. Worst kept secret in the Middle East for two decades now.”

    True story.

  136. I think the House of Saud has a lot of issues going for it and a lot against us. I figured you were speaking of the Syria and Iran thing. I actually thought their UN move was a good thing for sending a message but again I think there are other messages there.

    Syria: I too would love it if Obama would keep his mouth shut. Keeping his yap closed would be in line with actual policy and would keep things clearer. Obviously I don’t want our policy in Syria to be anything but accept who survives and with a gasp and a snicker I actually hope it is is Assad for the short term. Bottom line regardless of the saudis funneling of funds,supplies and matyr seeking douchebags I say they can activate their military resources if they really want some heavy lifting in Syria. They are however backing the badder guys in that deal.

    Iran: I get Riyadh serves as a good counter to Tehran but I think their motivations are purely selfish Sunni v Shia bullshit and not worth an ounce of US sweat let alone blood.

    Internal issues: the West has reported as if uber original the handful of Saudi women who dared drive around town this week. Fucking heh great journalism there guys. The thing is this really just serves as evidence to the Saudis that folks don’t really hold any loyalty to them secondary their genuine efforts to stabilize the region or take less profit in an effort to stabilize global oil prices and that we allegedly care more about chicks cruising. Its like Iran threaten war but when you hang a queer THEN we’re really mad! That’s just so f@#$ed up.

    Shale gas: I think this kind of pisses them off too.

  137. p.s. of sorts. As for things coming out to our sides advantage there is a lot to be said about that. In the closing days of the Obama Administration I doubt there will be any good FP news for Uncle Sam especially in the M.E. and the ‘Stans. As the Pacific Pivot continues to develop we will undoubtedly encounter new challenges. It is thought that secondary to the Pivot China will pay lip service but itself will pivot to its west,right into the India,AF/Pak,ME and Africa with a focus in the Sub Sahel regions and perhaps into the north.
    IMO the future hot spots for FP,tension and positive potentials are:
    For the US:
    The Pacific with the Philippines,Japan,Australia being big positives.
    The Pacific,same area plus the Indian Ocean being a potential point of tension and unforeseen entanglements.
    Latin America,Last call gentlemen to get this right!
    Africa,an entire continent where we’ll only rue our presence as we miss out on economic possibilities and only suffer military exhaustion.
    For China:
    Tensions in the South China Sea
    Development windfall in Africa
    For the World: Africa likely to continue to experience islamic craziness,piracy and internal post imperialism schisms. Development opportunities if done properly benefit all,otherwise see imperialism and angst.
    The Middle East will see a reshuffle of the power players and positions. Ironically independence for the regional players to solve the problems finally may be just what the doctor ordered. Countries to watch most closely? Iran,Israel,Turkey,Saudi Arabia (Gulf alliances) and Egypt.
    Just some thoughts. Cheers!-Alfie

  138. Shale gas makes Saudi Arabia and its neighbors less important to us than they were.

    Ironically Obama has brought Israel and several of its Arab neighbors publically closer together.

    Rutherford, the advisory board would not make decisions about individuals as you wrote, but it could decide some procedures were not worth the money, and it could reduce payments to hospitals with high rates of re- admissions which would be the case in an area with many old people.

    Ezera Immanuel, brother of Rham (sp) and an Obama adviser didn’t say rationing, but he recommended that the panel disapprove spending on some classes of patients after they reached a thresh hold.

  139. Maybe I’m reading too much into your comments Rutherford but there seems to be a charge to your writings about your former employer.

    Being free is of far greater value than being rich. Sometimes they go hand in hand but not always by any stretch.

    James @ #179 is outstanding commentary.

  140. “but there seems to be a charge to your writings about your former employer. ”

    Guilty as charged. I’m not a fan of bitterness. I do believe in “moving on”. But I can’t shake my anger at IBM.

    I helped my wife get her job there when we got married and she relocated from IL to CT. Then after I got laid off in ’07 I watched helplessly for the next six years as she worked under the constant threat of layoffs. It wasn’t a matter of if. It was a matter of when.

    If I’d had my druthers she would have quit IBM ages ago but that is easier said than done. When the layoff finally came there was actually some relief. When you work with a gun to your head, sometimes you just want them to pull the trigger and get it over with.

  141. James, that was an excellent observation in #179. This Obama website rollout has been so comically bad, that I don’t know what more it will take to open eyes to the ineptness of this current government.

    Had this been under the direction of Bush, the treatment would have been brutal…

  142. “You ever given thought to moving back home? I didn’t know what your current residence stance was.”

    Not sure I understand. Do you mean where I grew up? Dad sold that house when Mom died.

    Other than that I’d like more space I’m pretty happy where I am.

  143. You know what would be cool? If the media, including liberal bloggers, were feverishly investigating why Obama went with one company from Canada to implement Obamacare, with out any other bids. That would be a good start.

    Oh man do I smell a rat. Solyndra style rat. Socialist corruption is the worst.

    Oh but this is just business as usual, right Rutherford? It’s an unfair expectation that Obamacare shouldn’t be unusable.

    Just read the trusting suckers who actually got into the system are now at risk to have their most personal of information stolen. Holy shit…….

    If this doesn’t wake America up nothing will. Operation every man for himself is quickly upon us. Arguing to fix this American mindset might be over. Gaming the system at all times in all facets of life, unabashedly, might be the way to go. At that moment America is dead.

    And the beat goes on in liberal America.

    Pathetic.

  144. Florida woman told that her new plan will be 10 times higher than what she’s paying now, jumping from $54 a month to $591.

    Florida woman asks:

    “What I have right now is what I’m happy with, and I just want to know why I can’t keep what I have,” says the woman. “Why do I have to be forced into something else?”

    R, answers:

    “Because democrats are compassionate — now shut the fuck up.”

  145. Ohhhhh silly Rabbit. Do you know how many companies have written me in the past couple of years forcing me to change my password because they had a security breach?

    If you’re afraid of info being stolen stay off the Internet. Case closed.

  146. We know why the company was chosen to design the website, Rabbit. Friends of Michelle Antoinette – corrupt to the core.

    First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.

    Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.

    Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/michelle-obamas-princeton-classmate-is-executive-at-company-that-built-obamacare-website/

    But I’ve become so accustomed to Obama and First Wookie being corrupt, I didn’t even bother mentioning it.

  147. My comment folds into your #214, Tigre.

    That Florida woman’s misery quota is 100% the intended result of O-care. Mission Accomplished. Spreading the wealth is secondary to spreading the misery.

    Obama doesn’t want anyone to achieve greater happiness – health, wealth, or wisdom – than anyone else. He can’t squeeze the rich enough – they will always be left with too much – so he targets the middle class with the goal of merging that layer down and eliminating the space between the middle and lower classes of wealth.

    Which loosely segues I suppose into my response to Rutherford’s candid admission to bitterness toward his former employer. Rutherford really can’t bear other people’s suffering.

  148. “Ohhhhh silly Rabbit. Do you know how many companies have written me in the past couple of years forcing me to change my password because they had a security breach?”

    Booooooo.

    Adobe just informed me of a security breach and guess what they did – they offered me a year and a half of free daily credit monitoring, fraud resolution assistance, and identity theft insurance. What’s the government going to do in the same circumstance? They won’t even tell me, that’s my bet.

    Plus I can cancel Adobe anytime.

  149. If you’re afraid of info being stolen stay off the Internet. Case closed.”

    Who ISN’T afraid of info being stolen? Get real.

  150. Tex……how is that not a bigger story. Were they friends? If that is true its unbelievable.

    Seriously, if true, Michelle’s ass should be facing prison time.

    Rutherford….can you do me a favor? Can you create any kind of theoretical scenario that would make you outraged over Obamacare?

    I know the fact it doesn’t work doesn’t bother you. The fact its implementation didn’t use a normal bidding process doesn’t bother you. The fact that the most repeated selling point, nobody will lose their plan, was clearly not true doesn’t bother you.

    Is there anything that could happen that would cause you to write about Obama’s signature legislation to be a failure?

    And don’t give me your usual line about how you want 100 percent socialized medicine. If that was the case you would have argued for it. You have never had the balls to make the case.

    What is your rubric for Obamacare?

    You liberals always want us to trust that your schemes are good for us. Yet, you hold nobody accountable. You don’t even self reflect on the schemes. Cram it through and on to the next scheme.

    It tells me a lot about you that you are not humiliated over this. I would be enraged.

  151. Muffy bravo seriously. Your point about corporate remedies to security breaches (e.g. Adobe) is right on target. I can’t swear I trust the gov to KNOW when there’s been a breach much less tell me about it.

    On a related note. Obama didn’t know we were tapping allies phones? Does the White House really think THAT’s a winning argument?

  152. Rabbit valid question. I think there are two factors that would make me declare Obamacare a failure.

    First if more people end up paying more for their health insurance than less (or the same). Jury still out on that.

    And yes if dumbass Sarah’s death panels turned out to be true. In other words if it got to the point that the gov decided who was worth saving and who wasn’t.

    Those would be damning factors. BTW I include ridiculous deductibles as part of added cost.

  153. “On a related note. Obama didn’t know we were tapping allies phones? Does the White House really think THAT’s a winning argument?”

    Why wouldn’t he think that? It’s his primary excuse when he can’t blame Bush or the GOP. And you all have accepted it time and again.

    But glad to see even you are finally seeing through it.

  154. Well Huck I’m not sure I’d say “finally”. One of my more recent criticisms of Obama is that he often seems lately in over his head.

    There’s an old saying that ignorance of the law is no excuse. I think whenever the President says “I didn’t know” it looks bad, going back to the days of Iran-Contra and Reagan’s impending senility.

  155. LOL Muffy, guess what came in the mail today? Adobe giving me a free year of identity protection because their system got hacked.

    I thought of your earlier comment when I read the letter and I had a good chuckle.

  156. Rutherford: Adobe giving me a free year of identity protection because their system got hacked.

    Using any commercial software for security or identity masking is not wise. The NSA simply went to commercial vendors and told them they wanted a back door written into the privacy-protection software. Since the source code of commercial software is not available to the public, there is no practical way to know if there is a back door in your software, so any time the NSA wants your data, they simply press one key, and they have it.

    The recommendations are to use open-source privacy protection such as the Tor darknet. If you wonder whether you have been compromised, just look at the source code. Each time NSA has to try to decode your data, it costs them thousands upon thousands of dollars, and if you are doing nothing illegal, it is a waste of their money. If everybody did the above, they would go bankrupt.

  157. For life of me, I don’t get why Rutherford isn’t freaking out. This whole scheme is time sensitive. Healthy people must sign up and do it quickly or it collapses. And when that happens we all are going to get fucked. A great transfer of wealth to insurance companies recouping profits promised them by Obama.

    Millions of middle class people are already being forced to spend more of their cash on insurance. It’s going to break many of them.

    Either I don’t understand the scheme properly or I swear its possible we could end up with less people insured because of this.

    And just think…..millions of uninsured people still don’t even know what Obamacare is.

  158. DR, he’s waiting to see what’s already occurring and occurred. 🙄

    Don’t forget, the employer mandate hasn’t kicked in yet. Hold on to your nutsack — it’s all you’ll have left. But it’s just a start. Yippeee!

  159. Like my oldest, smart daughter told me this weekend on break during med school – a rarity in 3rd year while we took a long walk with the Mick. Hadn’t seen her in months and the first time I have been alone with her since high school. Truly an enjoyable experience.

    She said, “Dad, I am convinced millions of people are working so hard to believe what their hearts desire, they completely ignore reality and have purged all truth from their minds…”

    I think that’s a pretty good representation of the Left in America anymore, and the inexcusable defense of clear failure. They have purged truth…

  160. ” This whole scheme is time sensitive. Healthy people must sign up and do it quickly or it collapses.”

    Like every open enrollment period in current corporate health care offerings most sign up at the last minute. It’s a human trait called procrastination.

    So you’re partly right. If we don’t get a surge in March we’re screwed.

  161. Tex I say you raised your daughter right in that she believes liberals are following their hearts however misguided.

    The problem comes when folks say liberals are evil and want to destroy the country.

    I think it probably is a valid generalization that liberals follow their heart and conservatives follow their head.

  162. “I think it probably is a valid generalization that liberals follow their heart and conservatives follow their head.”

    True sometimes. Depends on the topic, though, doesn’t it?

  163. I’ll be damned. Knowing better but doing it anyway is following your heart.

    Much like the comment itself, that sounds more like the hallmark of self-gratification without sacrifice. Such humility.

    I’ll be on the lookout for those liberals that find ways to help people directly rather than simply ascribing to a political party as a proxy.

  164. I’ll be on the lookout for those liberals that find ways to help people directly rather than simply ascribing to a political party as a proxy.

    Well put, my friend. What I witness from the Left is either government acts as their proxy for works, or rich philanthropists donate millions when they’re worth billions to have statues built in their imagine – generally around college campuses. I’ve never been terribly impressed with most philanthropist’s “generosity.”

    That’s a pretty poor excuse for charitable works.

    Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

    Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

  165. The head and the heart are the same thing. Yes I know you were speaking metaphorically. Nonetheless both conservatives and liberals have consciences and you’re deluded if you think it’s only or even predominantly conservatives who forget that. Or presume that theirs/yours is tender while the hearts of their/your political enemies are calloused.

    Emotions vs logic perhaps. Decisions, choices, positions, laws based on emotion are built upon the least reliable foundation we have at our disposal.

    I know what you mean Rutherford but this idea that you’re good if you think one way and bad if you think another is foolish and makes for a foolish nation.

  166. I know what you mean Rutherford but this idea that you’re good if you think one way and bad if you think another is foolish and makes for a foolish nation.

    Yeah, well either due to ignorance or deliberate conflation, wisdom isn’t exactly in vogue these days.

  167. Ha. As Obamacare collapses and American rage turns towards the liberal, you are going to hear a lot more of this “it doesn’t matter if we hurt the country our heart is in the right place” bull shit.

  168. Two old sayings applying to Obama ,Affordable Care, and igorant voters:
    “Would you buy a used car from this man?”

    “A fool and his money are soon parted.”

  169. “As Obamacare collapses and American rage turns towards the liberal, you are going to hear a lot more of this “it doesn’t matter if we hurt the country our heart is in the right place” bull shit.”

    Where was Obama’s heart when he said “if you like you’re health care you can keep your health care” ?

  170. Oh liberals love wavering back and forth between being Vladimir Lenin and the Spokane Dandy.

    So….he was being Machiavellian hard ass… lying to us for our own good at that moment. He was being black like Harry Reid (blurt!). 🙂

  171. “A fool and his money are soon parted.”
     
    Sure got that right, James – as many of these Obama bootlickers are getting ready to find out. It’s long overdue to pay the piper for their dishonesty.

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