Liberty, Safety and Unnamed Complicit Partners

Thanks to NSA contractor Edward Snowden, we now know, even if we suspect some exaggeration on his part, that the NSA has way more access to our private e-communications than most of us thought they did. As with every issue of the day, folks have lined up on either side of the controversy. Some say this breach of our privacy is the reasonable price we pay to keep ourselves safe. Some say this falls in the category of unlawful search and seizure, treating the innocent citizen like a criminal suspect. Up until now, the NSA has been the focus of public defense or prosecution. I haven’t heard much discussion about two other complicit partners in this emergence of Big Brother.

Verizon et al.

In May of 2012 a New York state court asked the social media micro-blogging site Twitter to hand over the tweets of one of its members. Twitter refused, backed by the ACLU. The NSA cannot amass phone and email records without the cooperation of the carriers such as Verizon. Where is the corporate loyalty to its customers? Where is the concern among these providers that they are violating an implicit trust placed in them by their patrons?

Folks, this smells to me like more than government overreach. This is a nefarious partnership of government and corporate where the little guy, once again, gets screwed. I have commented previously on my disgust at corporate America sitting on trillions of dollars and shipping jobs overseas when they could invest in America and bring down the unemployment rate. This latest development with the NSA is just another nail in the corporate coffin as far as I’m concerned.

The Fault is in Ourselves

Yes my friends, if you want to find another complicit player in this privacy crisis just look in the mirror. Never before has the public embraced a technology so ripe for misuse as we have embraced the Internet over the past 30 years. Has anyone noticed that no one is talking about the NSA opening postal mail, copying it, and then resealing it and sending it on? That’s because it isn’t happening. (Unless of course we are talking about mail sent to the President for example.) The most technically ignorant among us believes that our e-mail goes directly from us to our intended recipient. We don’t even get the notion of downloading mail from a server. Those of us more familiar with the technology don’t seem to care about our correspondence residing on servers that we don’t own or control.

I honestly don’t know what to do about the situation we find ourselves in. We have the perfect storm of a government “doing bad things for good reasons” with the compliance of a corporate infrastructure that doesn’t appear to give a damn about the privacy of its customers with the final ingredient of a populace that is so ensnared in the technology that is now betraying it that it can’t get loose.

I don’t know how we get this genie back in the bottle. I’m open to ideas.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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638 thoughts on “Liberty, Safety and Unnamed Complicit Partners

  1. I understand Verizon’s knuckling under. Government has been best described as “nothing more or less than pure force.” Implicit in any government “request” is the threat of force, and they won’t put the company in their secret jails; they’ll put the CEO who refused them. Now up the ante by flashing a “secret court order” and the decision-maker has every reason to BOGU. (Bend over, grease up)

    I keep coming back the that Atlantic article: We are giving the government all the tools a tyrant could wish for and hoping that the voters won’t make a mistake and elect one. Well, we haven’t done very well so far.

    And the blame sits squarely on the Senate and Congress; they are supposed to prevent this from happening, and all someone had to do was say, “BOO,” knock over a couple of buildings, and they shit their underwear and ran for cover, screaming “Yaz, Mastuh!” to the military-industrial complex. Nice job, assholes.

  2. PF the Atlantic article was indeed right on the money. Maybe I didn’t read it carefully enough but I found it short on solutions.

    As I wrote in this piece I think we are in a quagmire that is damn tough to get out of.

  3. “We have the perfect storm of a government “doing bad things for good reasons”

    Not so sure the victimized Tea Party groups would see it that way.

    So….you tell us how much bigger the government needs to be and how it will be better to involve the government in much more of our lives…..then you yell at companies for not standing up to….rrrrabbit drum role….a large, intrusive government.

    Make up your mind.

    Rutherford…I think even you can admit that the in the last 5 weeks we have seen endless scandals involving governmental corruption, deceit, betrayal and… all with a common theme that nobody in the government takes responsibility.

    The buck stops absolutely nowhere.

    Has it not changed the way you see government in the least? Lets pretend it only boils down to your favorite excuse for Obama and, by default, the government as a whole: incompetency. Does it not make you want to step back and say, I don’t trust even a good willed Nanny?

  4. I should try to explain my “prove your innocence remark”. After I posted it I knew I would take some heat. I was thinking out-loud and from the perspective a gun owner.

    I don’t have a conceal permit. The reason is I don’t want the responsibility. I don’t understand how someone with a conceal permit would stop his car and get out to confront someone for being a thug walking down the street. It blows my mind, actually. Everyone I know who conceals, and that is pretty much my entire family and friends…..are docile as fuck when they carry. Conflict isn’t much of an option. You check your alpha male attitude at the door when you conceal. Unless you are a bounty hunter, body guard for strippers at bachelor parties or Private Eye…..who goes looking to stir shit up, locked and loaded? When you decide to carry, you basically ride the bech except for worst case scenario. There was no immediate threat. Call the fucking cops and go home.

    So….an unarmed dude walking down the street gets confronted by a total stranger and shot to death.

    In all reality (and I’m truly asking here) doesn’t the Zimmerman case ride on his defense having to prove his innocence?

    Seems to me, if Zimmerman walks, anyone could drive around looking for a thug, get out of your car, spark a conflict and then kill him. As long as their are no witnesses, you pretty much would be guaranteed to be found innocent. No?

  5. Re: The Atlantic article

    Good article, but it might be too late. Most of the people that will decide our fate would never read it or anything similar. They will vote out of ignorance or because they want “stuff”. We will never know how Bush’s presidency would have been without 9/11, but probably unremarkable. Obama should have been a one term President; not because of Romney, but because he has been proven to be incompetent. The article implies that technology will help put a tyrant in office, but I have always felt that the only hope we have is that the populace can be made aware through technology. I have been disappointed that the Judicial branch has not seen the need to intercede in matters where Congress and the Executive branch are at loggerheads with each other over some of these flagrant violations of the Constitution. I am equally concerned about the power that the entrenched civil servants wield. They almost have the same protection from fraud and incompetence that the supreme court justices have; except that many of them were hired through affirmative action programs and they have long since passed the “Peter Principle” rule of incompetence.

  6. Tigre regarding your smoking gun article, didn’t I explicitly exempt US postal mail to the POTUS in my piece? Read the part in parens again. In other words, we agree.

  7. Sorry DR. I don’t see where you’re coming from. That ain’t what happened.

    Following your logic, I guess we could say if Zimmerman gets convicted the precedent would be that every time a black guy gets killed by anyone other than a black he was presumptively murdered because of his race — unless he can prove otherwise.

  8. DR – Yeah, but think about it. That’s how I feel when I carry. Do you know a single gun owner who would look to kill an unarmed man? Anybody? So shouldn’t the assumption be that if he pulled the gun he felt he had no other choice?

  9. Tigre I don’t think DR injected race into his argument at all. I think he’s just saying if you’re carrying heat you should avoid trouble even more studiously than if you are unarmed.

    No one has established, even Zimmerman himself, that he was just standing minding his own business and Trayvon randomly harassed him.

    So if I follow Rabbit’s logic Zimmerman’s best strategy would have been to call the cops from his vehicle and stay the hell in the car — particularly since he was armed and that might introduce unintended consequences into the scenario.

    I’m throwing around legal jargon carelessly but I think Z is probably guilty of involuntary manslaughter. He did not intend to kill the victim.

    P.S. Regarding profiling, I don’t think Trayvon’s race combined with his attire made him look LESS suspicious to Z.

  10. I meant to put this here. Sorry for the duplication but I thought a few of you might be curious about the mouthiest blog member’s day on the board.

    —–

    From the previous thread…

    …Rabbit, you need to rethink that issue of guilty. I just got to “prove my innocence” in a kangaroo municipal court where you’re guilty unless the judge in a good mood. He was not. If America is run this way, you better get used to the Gestapo on every corner.

    It was worth the hassle to perform my first cross examination. I didn’t know I was going to get to do all this. If the judge hadn’t come to his defense, I would have had the issuing traffic dick speaking in tongues. I shut his mouth but good and this is the honest truth.

    You know, sometimes a pretty good approach in your defense is to imagine how egregious the guy can lie and have an immediate response to show just how bogus the charge was. And this pig, and I did say pig, did exactly that. I was ready and hammered his lying ass, his memory, and his math with the prosecutor trying to cover. 😆 Three times the dick answered I can’t recall and three time I read the prosecutor report to him incriminating his lying ass about how many tickets he had issued, where the stop sign was, what the traffic flow was. I highly suggest that anybody that feels they’ve been royally screwed demand a motion of discovery and put them through the ringer.

    Can you imagine what would happen to our corrupt courts if every citizen willing to question the authority of who gave the authority to these thugs to believe they sit on high? The problem with America guys is us. Even most us here aren’t willing to go to the mat with these politicians, these self-appointed black robe thugs, corrupt cops, and self-serving lawyers (no shot at Tigre or BIC – but there’s some really bad eggs in your profession).

    Man it felt good to give a cop his just desserts for bullying. When I left that day, I had one thought and one thought only – I am going to get even with this SOB. I did.

    I wonder if that will make this dick rethink next time he comes to someone’s window and starts that tough guy shit. He was completely silent for the remainder of the process and I stared his ass while he stared on the floor when I left, gun or no gun.

    These assholes brought everybody. Two cops, a witness of the cop (supposedly), the public works dept. I must have burned $2,000 of Buttf__k, OK, public funds during this trial for a $299 ticket with a courtroom of black thugs there for assault as witness. A damn traffic ticket that took over an hour of court time with seven of their personal, and that doesn’t include the 5 page, single spaced letter the blubbering prosecutor had to write as reply to discovery. 😈 I questioned everyone of them, including the prosecutor.

    I thought the brothas were going to initiate pinky into the gang. I ever got a thumbs up upon leaving from one of them.

    The verdict? Get this. There wasn’t one. The judge said he was going to have to give consideration and think this through, including traveling through the intersection himself. I even read the State statute to him which was applicable to proving my innocence and he said it was his opinion that that didn’t really apply – that it only meant like stop signs covered by trees….blah blah blah but not position. Baloney. Position means everything. He knows damn well it did. I know he’s either going to half it or I lose. But you know what?

    It doesn’t end here. This is only the beginning. And I’ll await the ruling to tell you where I go from here because I am going to really light some asses on fire when this is done. I promise you they are going to regret trying to screw me.

    I am going to do my part to put and end to this government even at the local level that has lost its bearings and I am going to make it most personal when I do.

    Everybody on this board has a place to fix this country. And it starts with first making it honest.

  11. “Tigre I don’t think DR injected race into his argument at all. I think he’s just saying if you’re carrying heat you should avoid trouble even more studiously than if you are unarmed.”

    That’s not the point of my comment. 😆

    The prosecution (and media) have injected the concept of “racial profiling” to establish a motive.

    Now, what if Zimmerman were black?

    “No one has established, even Zimmerman himself, that he was just standing minding his own business and Trayvon randomly harassed him.”

    No one has established. . . ? Zimmerman says he was headed back to his car and Trayvon followed him and picked the fight.

    Of course the ultimate question turns on self-defense, i.e. whether Zimmerman felt that he was in danger of great bodily injury or death if her didn’t use deadly force.

    The “what if no one is around to witness it” exists for every crime. I’ll wager failure of direct evidence (i.e. first hand witnesses) is a problem in most homicides/self defense cases. Of course, contrary to what Perry Mason might have preached, circumstantial evidence is generally more reliable than direct evidence supported by witness testimony where recollection, bias etc. come into play.

  12. It was actually fun, Muffy. I meant to type personnel by the way. I need to learn to proofread these tomes I pen.

    I am so sick of this shit government we have now, meddling pricks and taxation without representation, overturning majority votes, treating us like serfs, and guilty until you prove yourself innocent. These bastards are making millions off of little people miserably and afraid that don’t have the money, the time, or the education to fight back.

    I’ve had it. If these gutless Republicans don’t want to go to the mat, and some of them like Sen. Pansy Graham are worse than the Dims, then get the hell out of the way. I hope I can rile a few more of you smart guys and gal to go to the mat with me and you can each encourage five others to join the fight. If people were serious, we could change this country in a month. Put a monkey wrench in every spoke and literally short of the military, bring it to its knees.

    I want to rub these SOBs faces in the shit sandwich they’ve been cramming down our throats. If it starts in B__fuck, OK, so be it.

    I wouldn’t blame all of you, especially BIC and Tigre, thinking I’m crazy. Maybe I am. But this episode was finally the straw that broke…that and having two cars towed in Houston on New Year’s Eve stranding five of us in the rain.

    Of course, how convenient that the cabs came dropping by, an off duty copy (cough cough) directing them our direction. Then Houston tow service demanding $250 CASH for each car because their credit card service was down (cough cough). See my wife and my daughter egregiously parked literally in the wrong aisle of a mostly empty parking shopping center parking lot at 8:30PM at night – no signs, no nothing.

    A disgruntled shopping mall ownership abutted to another – and guess who gets to pay for it? They were towing high dollar cars from these expensive restaurants as fast as the tow trucks could tow to the roughest part of Houston, TX – the drivers literally running out the wrecker door to the back to hook up.

    Only my wife saved somebody’s life that night. And the two fat Mexican attendants through bars who demanded cash? Thank God the next day we were going on vacation, because I don’t usually have $480 dollars cash on me.

    But I got their names. I’m not going to get mad. I’m going to get even. Personally.

    Next time I’m in Houston, two fat Mexicans are going to find their beater vehicles painted with brake fluid with some of my favorite ethnic slurs etched in the side – or even better, I just may wait until they get themselves a new ride outside the tow service, and cause what I determine to be the appropriate amount of payback.

  13. Huck,

    To answer your good question from the previous thread, I’m not sure I do separate Private Benedict Arnold’s motives from this Edward Snowden’s motives much – I consider both their motives completely self-absorbed and of the celebrity cult seeking fame.

    However, I do find one major difference.

    Had Snowden taken it through all the channels and if still stonewalled instead of taking it into his own hands, then gone public and hung around to face the wrath, I would have actually admired him and gone to bat for him.

    And even then, I am damn glad all of this is coming to light.

    Manning’s leaking served no purpose but some twisted personal revenge and he didn’t give a damn who it hurt. More importantly, his leaking served no purpose but to aid the enemy.

  14. “Do you know a single gun owner who would look to kill an unarmed man? Anybody? ” Pfessor

    I hear you. But do you know a single gun owner who would engage a thuggish looking dude for no reason?

    Of course Trayvon was racially profiled. For good reason. If it quacks like a thug…. its the kind of dude you want to keep an eye on. Hell…call the police. And I certainly agree that Zimmerman was treated unfairly and the black kid made to look like a Huxtable. Like clock work, Rutherford fell hook line and sinker for it all.

    Working with 100’s of Trayvon’s in my life….I bet the dude was overcompensating in the lily white neighborhood bringing all kinds of attention to himself as he crip walked down the street thinking he’s going to pull a white piece of ass rebelling against her Dad.

    But to get out of your car, for no reason? For what? The possibility of a future crime? Wasn’t it still day light? Thug youngsters don’t rob cars by their lonesome much. But when the sun is shining in a different, upscale neighborhood? Very, very doubtful. Dude was doing nothing but buying Skittles ( there I said it) and, at the very least, maybe casing some cars out for later. Who knows. Thank goodness Zimmerman was on the watch, somebody’s fucking Garmin GPS could have been lifted.

    Seems to me, either way you shake it, a presumption of guilt is necessary. We don’t know shit about what happened other then one guy pulled over, got out of his car and got his ass beat to the point where he felt he had to kill. I trust this Zimmerman tool no more then the Thug.

    My cousin is doing a lot of time as we speak for pistol whipping two teenagers he actually CAUGHT in the act of breaking into his car. (To be fair he also dry fired the gun numerous times on one of the kid’s head).

    I see Zimmerman grossly negligent as a gun owner. If Trayvon was a future ward of the state, Zimmerman was the future asshole cop that Tex is sick of. Who knows about both of them….we will never know.

    I’m with Rutherford…manslaughter.

    That being said….I haven’t followed the case and Tigre might be correct. If I have the facts wrong….tell me.

  15. DR, to answer your question, the prosecutor carries the burden of proving that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense (as well as all other elements of second degree murder with which he was charged).

  16. “I thought the brothas were going to initiate pinky into the gang. I ever got a thumbs up upon leaving from one of them.” Tex

    Lol…..classic!

  17. DR, you have the facts wrong. You also have a twisted view of the burden required of the state before throwing someone in jail for manslaughter or any crime.

  18. Tigre, can the fact he got out of the car, disobeyed 911 while carrying out some quasi official duty of “neighborhood watch” be deemed gross negligence?

    And doesn’t the fact that he got out of his car cast doubt on Zimmerman’s self defense? Stopping a car and getting out is extremely aggressive. Don’t you agree? Who in there right mind does that?

  19. DR, you don’t forfeit your right to defend yourself because you were “grossly negligent” in your encounter with an attacker.

    If you are initial aggressor, that’s different. But that’s not what happened (according to Zimmerman and the forensic evidence that was reported, e.g. not blows landed on Trayvon).

  20. DR, are saying that getting out of your car subjects you to having your mouth covered and head pounded into the concrete while the dude is saying “tonight you’re going to die?” Seriously?

  21. I am twisting the burden required by the state, by the way. I’m not a juror. I’m not bound by anything. Just calling it how I see it. Zimmerman might be innocent. He just doesn’t deserve to be. And while I should be bothered if our justice system doesn’t operate the way it should, I still won’t lose any sleep over this Zimmerman douche bag getting locked up. That’s why we have our legal system….because of guys like me.

  22. The various elements for crime involving homicide are different in each state. In FL it is:

    Florida’s jury instructions (which are based on the Florida statute) spell out three elements that prosecutors must prove to establish second degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt:

    •The victim is deceased,

    •The victim’s death was caused by the defendant’s criminal act, and

    •There was an unlawful killing of the victim “by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.”

    The last element — an “imminently dangerous” act that shows a “depraved mind” — is further defined by Florida’s jury instructions. Three elements must be present:

    •A “person of ordinary judgment” would know the act, or series of acts, “is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another”;

    •The act is “done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent”; and

    •The act is “of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.”

    Note that prosecutors do not have to prove the defendant intended to cause death.

    It is important that the act is “done from ill will, hatred, spite, or an evil intent.” Being an idiot doesn’t get it there (from an objective standpoint).

  23. “DR, are saying that getting out of your car subjects you to having your mouth covered and head pounded into the concrete while the dude is saying “tonight you’re going to die?” Seriously?”

    Fuck yeah I am. Hell, I might take the inniative if someone pulls over, gets out of their car and starts fucking with me. I’m not trying to be a hard ass either. But a good offense is sometimes the best defense. I’ve learned that the hard way as I’m sure others here have too. Actually getting out of your car is hyper aggressive.

  24. Tigre….after reading what you said the prosecution should be trying him for manslaughter (is that 3rd degree murder….is there such a thing?)

  25. Yeah. Sharpton won’t lose any sleep either. In fact, he’ll celebrate.

    Lynching this guy is total bullshit. That it was race baiting fuckers that worked so hard to distort the truth pisses me off.

    Innocent until proven guilty is the right rule of law.

  26. Agreed there. It wasn’t a lynching. That was deplorable.

    Innocent until proven guilty is, in fact, the right rule of law. It’s just not always right.

  27. DR, I don’t see anything rational about forfeiting your right to defend yourself because you got out of your car. Physically coming at someone is different. But he says he was retuning to his car and Trayvon jumped him.

    Sorry dude, I am visualizing something totally different than you. Dumb or not, I don’t believe Trayvon was in fear of HIS life. He was just looking to pound the guy that was following him. Tough guy shit.

  28. Have you ever been confronted by a stranger who gets out of his car? Scary as fuck. Particularly some Hispanic looking dude? Shit.

    Now if its true that he assaulted Zimmerman on the way back to the car…l’m with you on the tough guy shit. If he assaulted him as Zimmerman walked towards him….I can sympathize.

    I didn’t grow up in the ghetto. But I grew up 2 blocks from one. I think it’s completely rational to think a stranger who gets out of his car with a confrontational attitude is a serious threat.

    This happens last weekend in my home town. I vaguely know the white guy who was murdered. It was racial. Notice how it went down. The odds of being physically assaulted in any confrontation that involves one party getting out of a car to meet another party walking has to be astronomical.

    http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/man-stabbed-to-death-in-garden-city/-/1719418/20469962/-/bkicwnz/-/index.html

  29. Again, degrees of murder vary, but in FL third degree (most states don’t have a third degree, the homicide must occur during the commission of certain felonies:

    The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any:

    (a) Trafficking offense prohibited,

    (b) Arson,

    (c) Sexual battery,

    (d) Robbery,

    (e) Burglary,

    (f) Kidnapping,

    (g) Escape,

    (h) Aggravated child abuse,

    (i) Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,

    (j) Aircraft piracy,

    (k) Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,

    (l) Unlawful distribution of controlled substances: cocaine or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,

    (m) Carjacking,

    (n) Home-invasion robbery,

    (o) Aggravated stalking,

    (p) Murder of another human being,

    (q) Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,

    (r) Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or

    (s) Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism.

  30. Aggravated stalking?

    Wow. So if you punch someone in a fair fight, and accidentally kill them… you are pretty much doomed to get charged and convicted of 2nd degree murder. Interesting.

  31. Yeah, I’ve somebody get out of the car. I just don’t hear a story that sounds like the enraged guy coming at me. Martin was wandering around a neighborhood, in and out of peoples yards, etc. Again, if what you think Trayvon did was self defense and it was Zimmerman that dies — he’d go to jail. The threat wasn’t imminent. He could’ve just gotten out of there (took off). Zimmerman on the other hand was locked down, Martin on top, and having his head pounded into the cement by a guy saying I’m going to kill you while Zimmerman says he was losing consciousness.

  32. Tigre…..answer me this.

    Lets say you are the aggressor…lets pretend everyone say Zimmerman get out of the car and deck Trayvon once. Immediately……the script is flipped and you start getting your head kicked in to the point that you think you are going to die. The guy isn’t letting up. Would that be self defense?

  33. Not in FL. The initial aggressor loses the defense. He can regain it though once the threat deteriorates and the aggressor changes to the other guy.

  34. “Not in FL. The initial aggressor loses the defense. He can regain it though once the threat deteriorates and the aggressor changes to the other guy.”

    Well…Zimmerman walks then. That is key.

    But just to be clear. In Florida you can get out of your car, a total stragner, break my nose with one punch…..but, if I come back like your Boston homie Micky Ward, dazed but on the offensive and beat you to death….I can get charged with murder?

  35. No. Stranger was the initial aggressor. So long as the threat remained, keep punching. Keep in mind though, there has to be fear of great bodily injury or death to justify deadly force. Not just “harm.”

  36. Rutherford fwiw I find NYC “Stop & Frisk” far more egregious.It is so blatant in its violation of the Constitution it boggles the mind it doesn’t get squashed.
    The NSA intercepts or whatever you want to call them are couched in law and regulatory statute. That these are bad laws and regs doesn’t for the sake of argument make it better but the precedent is there that they are actually more ok than the NYPD practice should be seen as.NYPD btw does a huge amount of other intel stuff that should have its Jewish population outraged but hypocrites make good voters.
    As for your outrage against Verizon etc I find you out of line. As PF pointed out compliance is the easy road whence dealing with the entity that can easily rip your shorties out by the fistful. I don’t doubt Verizon,Comcast et al don’t care about their customers,fuck I know they don’t but I am not a naive pollyanna who wants them to love me either. I want them to provide a service for a price.

  37. “Again, if what you think Trayvon did was self defense and it was Zimmerman that dies — he’d go to jail. The threat wasn’t imminent. He could’ve just gotten out of there (took off). Zimmerman on the other hand was locked down, Martin on top, and having his head pounded into the cement by a guy saying I’m going to kill you while Zimmerman says he was losing consciousness.” -Tigre

    There is 3 seconds that we both don’t know. Did he flash his gun? Did he puff up so much Trayvon thought it was on? I hate to keep saying it but the fact Zimmerman was out of the car belies to me an aggressive stance. But you are right……it doesn’t pass the 99% doubt test.

    I know a defendant has to prove insanity is not given the benefit of the doubt for that claim. Do you have to prove self defense?

  38. Translation: a defendant is not given the benefit of doubt for a insanity plea. Is it the same for self defense?

  39. Not for nothing but can’t an attorney worth a nickel get a jury to see Zimmerman as the initial aggressor? Well after the incident I read an excellent article that looked at the community this occurred in. It isn’t a “neighborhood” per se. It is one of those pseudo gated communities that secondary to the FL realty mishaps has declined. This probably helped charge Z’s zeal.

  40. Alfie, his outrage against Verizon is 100 percent deflection. You can’t be outraged at Verizon and not Obama. Fake ass Rutherford treading water in a sea of stink.

  41. “Not for nothing but can’t an attorney worth a nickel get a jury to see Zimmerman as the initial aggressor?” -Alfie

    Yes…and that was what I was saying. But, as Tigre pointed out…he can be the initial aggressor and then lose that role, reclaiming his right to use deadly force if his life is in danger.

  42. Do you have a right to defend yourself in Florida if you have good reason to think you are about to be attacked? Because, a dude hopping out of his car and walking aggressively towards you at a fast pace would meet that standard for me.

  43. @ 61 a little more complicated than that. If you are in the process of murdering someone (initial aggressor) but the victim retaliates and winds up defending himself, the shift does not occur. I believe t’s only after the initial threat ceases entirely. In other words, when the initial victim is no longer in fear of serious injury or death he cannot then become the aggressor.

  44. That’s Dr. Quibble.

    “Because, a dude hopping out of his car and walking aggressively towards you at a fast pace would meet that standard for me.”

    Depends on what the jury thinks (objective standard). In other words, would a reasonable person deem it a sufficient threat. You think Rutherford coming out of his car at you give rise to self defense? You could probably take him out with an insult. 😆

  45. BTW, we were talking about deadly force. You can defend yourself from non-life threatening attacks (battery) with non lethal force. That’s why bringing a gun to a fist fight generally won’t work.

  46. “You think Rutherford coming out of his car at you give rise to self defense?”

    Are you kidding me. I’d shit my pants. Fucking Walking Dead Zombie.

    Re 66. Careful…..or I will start questioning if Zimmerman’s life was ever in danger.

  47. Tex do you see how insane you sound when in one breath you fight the system within the system and in the next breath you plan vandalism.

    Seriously dude, I know my opinion matters not but calm the fuck down. And everyone else here–don’t egg him on unless you’re personally ready to step outside your anonymity and bail the dude out of jail.

    Seriously.

  48. Re: why telecom companies might be hesitant to refuse to play ball. Just saw this uncited bit over at Ace of Spades HQ. I am not familiar with the case, so take it as you will…

    “We know what happened in the case of QWest before 9/11. They contacted the CEO/Chairman asking to wiretap all the customers. After he consulted with Legal, he refused. As a result, NSA canceled a bunch of unrelated billion dollar contracts that QWest was the top bidder for. And then the DoJ targeted him and prosecuted him and put him in prison for insider trading — on the theory that he knew of anticipated income from secret programs that QWest was planning for the government, while the public didn’t because it was classified and he couldn’t legally tell them, and then he bought or sold QWest stock knowing those things.”

  49. So Tigre the bottom line is Z was charged with the wrong crime.

    When the police tell you NOT to follow the “suspect” and you ignore them you should go to jail for first degree idiocy.

  50. I thought he said he was complying with that by returning to his car.

    Oh well, if first degree idiocy were a jailable offense, you and Thor would be. . .

    Never mind. 😆

  51. The bottom line is that all your MSNBC friends that were trying to turn this into a racial event should be bitch slapped. Don’t you feel some shame?

  52. “Alfie, his outrage against Verizon is 100 percent deflection.”

    This from the dude who won’t go anywhere near Facebook. You obviously already have a healthy fear of these repositories of personal info. I’d bet your paranoid ass doesn’t even use email much.

    Some of us expect or at least hope that these keepers of our private correspondence respect our privacy. I used the Twitter example for a reason. Some corporations have a sense of moral responsibility and others don’t give a fuck and I think it’s important to call out who’s who. Damn Twitter was protective of 140 character shit. That tells me the big boy email providers should be even more protective.

    Rabbit everything is not about Obama no matter how much you’d like to obsess. There are other angles.

    P.S. I keep forgetting that many of you don’t even believe in the notion of good corporate citizen.

  53. Tex do you see how insane you sound when in one breath you fight the system within the system and in the next breath you plan vandalism.

    What you call vandalism, I call vigilantism and evening the score.

    See, Obama and you have jogged my memory the last six months. I should have learned a lesson from my best friend in high school. Looking back, C.L. learned a long time ago, you don’t get mad – you get even.

    Once, will we were eating pizza, a couple of TU athletic thugs begin to harass my friend and his girlfriend. Bullies without brains. My friend didn’t get mad – just sat their and took the abuse and sexual innuendo directed toward his girlfriend. These guys were mountains and we were just lowly high schoolers.

    The goons paid and left. My friend walked up to the register, I saw him ask a question to the cashier, who pulled out a check and C.L. wrote down the address on a napkin.

    He then drove to his workplace, got a 12,000 lbs truck and a couple of big chains, drove to their house, slinked up the driveway, wrapped the chains around a bumper of a car on jack stands in the driveway, and then proceeded to rip the car down the street several blocks, sparks leaping from the asphalt until the bumper was pulled off. He said the last thing he saw were the chains ricocheting to the back of the flat bed.

    I told him, “Well great! But how the hell are they going to know you did it?”

    “I lifted the windshield whipper and shoved a half eaten piece of pepperoni under the blade before we took off.” 😈

    Now that’s not crazy, Rutherford. That’s called learning a hard lesson from your betters.

  54. “Don’t you feel some shame?”

    None. I don’t answer for them. I wrote a piece that got me in big trouble with my fellow libs cos I called out Trayvon for the ass that he was. Go back and review the video tape. A simple search for Trayvon Martin on my blog should do the trick.

  55. Up until now, the NSA has been the focus of public defense or prosecution. I haven’t heard much discussion about two other complicit partners in this emergence of Big Brother.” — R

    MEDIA

    How about a lap-dog media that has given Obama a 5 year pass on scandal, impropriety and corruption? They’ve only started to turn, partially, and even now they find every excuse in the book to justify or acquit Obama’s involvement. Had this been any other Administration—and especially a Republican Administration—the GOP President would be directly responsible for the actions of every Private in the Army and janitor in the Pentagon. Yet, after years of being told—especially by you—that Obama is the smartest man in the room, we now must excuse him and his Administrations dishonesty and failure because he wasn’t “engaged enough”. Had this Administration’s feet been held accountable from day one—nay, during the 2008 campaign—none of this would be happening now because A) Obama wouldn’t like he could walk roughshod over the media and 2) he wouldn’t be in office in the first place because he would have actually been vetted and deemed wanting.

    OBAMA

    I’m impressed in that you could engage your righteous indignation over this and yet, not a single time, mention Obama’s name. Had this been the previous Administration, “Bush” would have been in the first sentence and every other following, but alas, you’re “credible” and just applying logic to this… Never mind that this is far and above anything that Bush EVER did, and is in DIRECT conflict with Obama campaign promises, Senate speeches and TV interviews. Once again, the most transparency Administration evah has been anything but why would we expect YOU of all people to take issue with it.

    At some point, I’d like to think that you will go back, reevaluate your ideals and compare them to the facts, and thus how Obama and the left in general have supported and/or conflicted as such. It, of course, won’t happen till Obama leaves office, because at the end of the day, I don’t think you have the testicular fortitude to admit that you were not only wrong, but exploited and—for lack of a better term—politically raped. I’m sure we’ll get some revisionist history from you then, about how you were critical of an Administration that cringed in the light of day. By then, I guess those servers you mentioned will come in pretty handy…

  56. Maybe this has been mentioned already, but never mind that Verizon was ordered by a court to hand over the records, so I’m not sure how they had any other choice, unless of course you are proposing we not honor laws in this nation. Hmmm, that WOULD make you a liberal Dem….

  57. Rutherford first of all use the power you have as admin and note my email ISP.
    Second I don’t use Facebook not out of paranoia but out of the reality that with it you are not the consumer you are the product. It is a relationship I choose not to enter.

  58. Gorilla, that #85 was pretty damn good and a stinging rebuke to Mr. Rutherford’s noted silence.

    Therefore, the comment will be completely ignored.

    If this an America worth saving, Obama would be gone by now lapdog media, or no media. A majority of a righteous people would not put up with this accumulation of scandal after scandal, and failure after failure. Not for another day.

    These guys are a step up from what I am reading from other Leftists, who are still attempting to hold Dick Cheney accountable for Obama’s actions. It’s beyond pathetic and exactly why the word compromise should never enter our mouths. Not because compromise isn’t noble – because these folks were dead wrong, now transparently and obviously not trustworthy like their leadership, and absolutely making a mockery of the American ideal of Constitutionality and Republic.

    It’s clearly a path of destruction we are heading. And the best the Left can do now is spin it as mediocrity. America is not treading water – we are sinking little by little every day into a bankrupt banana republic.

  59. At some point, I’d like to think that you will go back, reevaluate your ideals and compare them to the facts, and thus how Obama and the left in general have supported and/or conflicted as such.

    Barack Obama is bereft of character and virtue. Worse, so is his entire incompetent cabinet and apparently virtually all of the party. There’s not a person on that side now from the Left side of the aisle that looks decent or honorable from here. Not one.

    I know this much. If I had invested half of myself as most of these leftists did in a man’s promises in 2008, and my President had performed as incapably and as corruptly as Barack Obama has now for five years when compared to how they were promised greatness in change, I would be furious. I would be ashamed. And I would reevaluate how I could be so wrong about a candidate’s character and talent.

    How far are they now from, “We are the Generation We Have Been Waiting For…”?

    But I don’t think character or virtue matters to the Left. I really don’t. I’ve thought that for twenty years. Barack Obama only reinforced and finally cemented that fact. I’m not even sure the Left understands virtue or honesty. I think most of the Left are just like Obama without the pizazz and the flash.

    The people in this country who should be the most outraged are the Left. They laid themselves out naked for this man. But then, I’m not sure they have the sense to be embarrassed either.

    I can’t even express in words anymore I poorly I think of half of this nation. They disgust me as a citizen, as a parent, and as somebody who once believed in America’s own greatness.

    I want no part of the America I see now and feel trapped.

  60. A must read…

    Tenets of Liberal Education Underpin Govt. Abuses

    By Peter Berkowitz – June 11, 2013

    Leaving aside the NSA snooping, which is apparently legal (if worrisome), it is easy to view the three scandals rocking the Obama administration — Benghazi, IRS, and Department of Justice — as disconnected instances of the abuse of power.

    But this is not necessarily so.

    Although apparently unrelated to each other in their planning and execution, the three controversies exhibit a shared sensibility — and possess a common root. Each reflects a cardinal tenet of the powerfully reinforced brand of left-liberalism inculcated on university campuses in this country.

    One part of the Benghazi scandal involves the deception of the American people about the real causes of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. consulate that left Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others dead, along with 10 wounded.

    U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice may have been innocently recycling erroneous administration talking points when she appeared on five Sunday morning talk shows five days after the attack and declared it the result of a spontaneous protest over a video mocking the Prophet Muhammad.

    But recent congressional testimony suggests that by the time President Obama appeared on David Letterman’s show two days later and also blamed the video and the mob — a false version of events, which he repeated two days afterward on the Spanish-language TV channel Univision — he knew the attacks had been planned and executed by an al-Qaeda affiliate in Libya.

    It also seems likely that the president appreciated that the truth would be seen as inconsistent with his claims that under his leadership the United States had inflicted lethal blows on al-Qaeda and, with the election less than two months away, could harm his campaign.

    The administration’s misleading of the public reflects a teaching that is common to much literary theory, sociology, anthropology, political theory, and legal theory on college campuses today: Knowledge is socially constructed, and therefore the narrative is all.

    Many professors even demote their own arguments and downgrade their accounts by characterizing them as stories, as in “I am puzzled by your story about the causes of the Civil War. I would tell a different story.” A creature of the contemporary academy, Barack Obama echoed this orientation in a January 2012 CBS News interview.

    In response to a question about lack of popular support for his programs, the former professor of constitutional law asserted that he had failed to appreciate that “the nature of this office is also to tell a story to the American people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times.”

    The problem, in the president’s eyes, was not that he failed to set forth facts accurately, not that he fell short in showing how his policy and conduct were consistent with constitutional principles, and certainly not that his programs were flawed, but that he neglected to craft an engaging and uplifting tale.

    In March 2010, the IRS began targeting conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status. The IRS appears also to have subjected these groups’ donors to onerous audits. As Kimberley Strassel pointed out June 6 in the Wall Street Journal, while the IRS was harassing conservatives, and in the midst of a heated midterm election that was going badly, Obama led a public campaign (joined by top White House aide David Axelrod and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee) to persuade voters “that ‘shadowy,’ conservative ‘front’ groups — ‘posing’ as tax-exempt entities and illegally controlled by ‘foreign’ players — were engaged in ‘unsupervised’ spending that posed a ‘threat’ to democracy.”

    It is easy to see how IRS officials in hot pursuit of conservatives might conclude that they and the president they serve were on the same page.

    In waging his campaign of vilification, the president was aided by the pervasive teaching on campuses that conservatism is wicked. This teaching is promulgated in colleges and universities by the routine exclusion of conservative texts and ideas from the curriculum; by casual expressions of scorn for conservatives and conservatism in class and in departmental hallways and offices; and by the dearth of guests brought to campus to expound and defend conservative positions. When a president accuses grassroots conservatives of operating to undermine American democracy, he is delivering a message that the hearts and minds of generations of college graduates have been cultivated to receive.

    Finally, as part of a terrorist plot leak investigation, the Justice Department subpoenaed two months of records for 21 Associated Press phone lines, five reporters’ cellphones, three home lines, and two fax lines.

    As part of a leak investigation concerning North Korea, the Justice Department named Fox News journalist James Rosen as a possible criminal co-conspirator in an affidavit and subpoenaed a wide swath of his private e-mails. Commentators of various persuasions have recognized that these secret seizures of extensive records are a menace to the freedom of the press, which is indispensable to robust public debate. Such invasive actions are certainly at odds with Obama’s promise on Jan. 21, 2009, the day after his inauguration, to usher in “a new era of openness in our country.”

    But the glaring discrepancy between the president’s high-minded promise of openness and his administration’s ominous disregard for privacy and freedom of the press is consistent with contemporary university culture. On campus, students learn that liberty of thought and discussion is a norm to which lip service must be paid but which must not be taken to heart because of the importance of stamping out disagreeable and dangerous speech.

    Universities drive this lesson home by encouraging students to regard those who make arguments whose conclusions they dislike as insensitive to their feelings; by enacting hate speech codes; and by depriving the accused of due process in cases of sexual harassment and sexual assault.

    Veteran observers of the political scene may object that there is nothing new here. Don’t all politicians dissimulate? Don’t all politicians treat their political opponents as enemies and incite the public to do so as well? Don’t all politicians invoke high principle for public consumption and then shamelessly trample principle when useful?

    The answer is that not all do. But many politicians, intoxicated by power and privilege, do deceive, foment hatred, and behave hypocritically. Others break the law.

    A properly liberal education, one devoted to preparing citizens for the responsibilities of freedom, would work against these tendencies. It would fortify students for public service by promoting respect for facts, evidence, and argument; teaching them there are at least two sides to the great moral and political issues of the day, thereby expanding students’ imaginations and fostering appreciation of opposing points of view and of those who hold them; and instilling respect for liberty of thought and discussion by organizing campus life in accordance with its imperatives.

    Until liberal education in America is reformed, however, abuses of power of the sort we have witnessed by administration officials can be expected because such conduct faithfully expresses the most pervasive and basic lessons our universities teach future public servants.

  61. I don’t see how we are discussing the chain of events leading up to Trayvon Martin’s death. There is only one witness as to what happened and that is Zimmerman. If he says that, having lost sight of Martin, he got out of his auto to look – and, failing that, was on his way back to his car when he was jumped, then how can that be refuted? Not only is there no other witness, but Zimmerman’s injuries corroborate that account. It seems “case closed” to me.

    Am I missing something?

  62. I guess the point is that, according to Z, nobody “got out of his car to confront” anybody. He said when he got out, Martin was nowhere to be seen. Hardly a confrontational act by Zimmerman.

  63. Am I missing something?

    Yes, yes you are. The 10,000 lbs “pink” elephant sitting the middle of all of us as we sit in our diversified and multicultural circle of love. It’s what make us strong (cough cough). The pink elephant that all but black liberals are demanded to pretend is not there.

    Trayvon was black. Trayvon was black and misunderstood. Travyon was black, misunderstood, and loved by his black community. A peaceful, searching young man trying to find his way, gunned down in cold blood for buying candy.

    Therefore, Trayvon, is to be absolved of all bad behavior, history and battery – no matter how egregious, dangerous or unlawful the behavior.

    If Trayvon’s name were John Smith, say instead of Trayvon™, and had John hammered this Zimmerman’s head into the pavement telling him “you’re going to die”, this wouldn’t even make mention in the news and there would be no dog and pony show with Rev. Al and Je$$e in attendance.

    Zimmerman would be a free man still carrying his concealed weapon.

    That used to be called the double standard. Now it’s called affirmative action justice. 😉

  64. “Am I missing something?”

    Not from what I can tell. I believe the forensic evidence corroborates his story, as it did on the day it happened. All other bullshit is the product of Rutherford’s friends at MSNBC and their unthinking message drones.

    Maybe the truth-seeking left can threaten Zimmerman’s family to obtain some kind of concessions. 🙄

    Time for a hoodie march. . .

  65. In the last 24 hours, sales of the ‘big brother’ book 1984 on Amazon.com have soared by almost 7000% as the reality of the surveillance state come to the public’s attention. As Liberty Blitzkrieg’s Mike Krieger notes, we suppose it makes sense that people would want to get up to speed on the dystopian world being constructed rapidly and secretly around them. 1984 is now the 4th fastest rising sales book and 184th most popular on Amazon!

  66. “Verizon was ordered by a court to hand over the records.”

    Learn to read G. Twitter was also “ordered” and they resisted. Show me evidence that Verizon et al resisted the order and then lost and I’ll retract my criticism.

  67. So G cut the political posturing and tell us all how you feel being a part of this. Lets be honest. You’re part of the MIL keeping us safe. If your boss told you to start rifling through Tex’s emails you’d say “yessir! How soon can I start Sir?”

    Or would you take a stand against it? In your eyes is Edward Snowden a traitor?

    Stop hiding behind your anti-Obama bullshit and address the matter at hand. It’s already obvious from one of your comments that you really didn’t read what I wrote. Try not moving the goal post and address what I wrote.

  68. Sure, just as soon as you prove they did not resist and acted without objection. Of course, since the order was TS, I suppose finding objections, or otherwise, will be hard. The simple fact that they had a court order makes it just that. Twitter is most likely the exception, not the rule and until there is a ruling in the opposite, then the order stands. It doesn’t go away while they deliberate it…

    Learn to think R…

  69. “I wrote a piece that got me in big trouble with my fellow libs cos I called out Trayvon for the ass that he was. Go back and review the video tape. A simple search for Trayvon Martin on my blog should do the trick.”

    Yeah. I did that. The end of your March 22nd post:

    “When a man, really still just a child, can be killed simply for looking “suspicious” and nothing is done about it, the system is clearly broken.”

    You really know how to view these things objectively and cut against the MSNBC grain when it comes to these things. 🙄

    Let me know when you question the version “of events” offered by your liberal brain trust rather than Trayvon’s so easily exposed drug use and manufactured image. How about your rebuke of the hoodie protests or something. All I saw was Zimmerman’s presumed guilt and statements about the broken system that didn’t prosecute him for murder as you claim it was obligate to.

  70. Tex: “Trayvon was black. Trayvon was black and misunderstood. Travyon was black, misunderstood, and loved by his black community. A peaceful, searching young man trying to find his way, gunned down in cold blood for buying candy.

    Therefore, Trayvon, is to be absolved of all bad behavior, history and battery – no matter how egregious, dangerous or unlawful the behavior.
    If Trayvon’s name were John Smith, say instead of Trayvon™, and had John hammered this Zimmerman’s head into the pavement telling him “you’re going to die”, this wouldn’t even make mention in the news and there would be no dog and pony show with Rev. Al and Je$$e in attendance.

    Zimmerman would be a free man still carrying his concealed weapon.”

    I’ll tell you one damned thing, Tex – I hope I never meet you in court. You have a way with words.

  71. I’ve already commented on this.

    I personally have a hard time with people who leak secrets. Besides, I think there is a lot of misinformation out there on what this program is or isn’t. Since I’m not read into it, I don’t know what the ground truth is or isn’t. The ubiquitous nature of electronic comms and its means of travel from point A to point B make it difficult to regulate. There are a tremendous amount of regulations involved in collection, and by its very nature, because of the need to protect sources and methods, not everyone knows about everything.

    That said, the breadth and scope is alarming and that is something that has concerned me for some time. To accept this, we have to have faith that the government will, as a fair arbiter, engage as an honest broker in the pure interests of security. Of course, when you have an Administration that has been exposed to be acting as a very unfair arbiter, then there is little to no trust. There has been a myriad of real, no shit, scandals over the last month or so, and all of them are serious and revolve around two things: 1) a lack of trust and honesty from the Administration and 2) abuse of power.

    Benghazi, DoJ/Media, IRS, HHS extortion, EPA FOIA, DoE loans to political contributors, NSA wiretapping—all of these amount to tremendous abuses of power and corruption.

    Benghazi was about corrupting the information cycle to protect an Administration running for reelection.

    DoJ/Media was a corrupted abuse of power to intimidate the fourth pillar to protect the Administration from public scrutiny.

    IRS was a corrupted policy to intimidate political opposition, in order to suppress their ability to assemble and vote.

    HHS extortion is a corruption in a regulatory body intimidating funds from companies it is suppose to regulate.

    EPA/FOIA was a corrupted policy to financially discourage and suppress freedom of information to political opponents.

    DoE loans to political contributors was flat out financial corruption.

    NSA wiretapping: I don’t know. Two points don’t make a trend, but six certainly do. Were they abusing the system? Don’t know, but there is a clear indication that the system is ripe for abuse from an Administration that has clearly shown a propensity to abuse the system.

    As for Tex’s emails, no, I would not. Unless Tex posed a direct and imminent threat to the US, of which he would HAVE to be outside of the US. You clearly don’t understand how this works and I don’t have the time nor do you have the capacity and clearance to learn.

    Is Snowden a traitor? Yes. We make an oath and he broke it. The question is, right now, should he have broken the oath and does that excuse Snowden from his actions? I don’t know, but should we trust this Administration—let alone any other—with this level of power and insight into your private life?

  72. “I guess the point is that, according to Z, nobody “got out of his car to confront” anybody. He said when he got out, Martin was nowhere to be seen. Hardly a confrontational act by Zimmerman.”

    Yeah…I should have probably learned at least some of the basic facts/testimony about the case before yapping.

  73. Here is where I have the biggest problem with this whole PRISM thingy. It’s really a very simple objection.

    I DON’T TRUST GOVERNMENT. I ESPECIALLY DON’T TRUST OBAMA’S GOVERNMENT. I DON’T TRUST ANYTHING TO DO WITH, ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED WITH GOVERNMENT – FROM ROGUE COPS TO MILITARY BRASS TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE TO OUR SUPREME COURT TO CABALS OF GOOD OLD BOYS PLAYING OKLAHOMA MUNICIPAL COURT.

    Period.

    Having said that “R”, that is not to say that I don’t trust all individuals associated with local, state or federal levels of government. For instance, I certainly trust the ordinary soldier, even admire them. There are people in Congress I trust to do the right thing. I trust the motives of the Tea Party, even if I find some of the membership unhinged. All groups have their spooks, weirdos and unkempt.

    I have little if anything to hide and still I am pissed. If I thought it was only people of the nature and character of Gorilla rifling through my emails, I would be a whole lot less apt to be concerned about where this is leading. I trust Gorilla’s motives and intent. If I thought it was BIC or El Tigre trying me in court, I was be a whole lot less suspicious this was a rigged game.

    Why do I say that?

    Because these individuals have proven to me that they don’t trust the behemoth that our local, state and federal governments have become either. The understand the dangers of a government without limits. So did the men and women that founded this country.

    And that is what I cannot figure out about guys like you and Thor. Unlike most leftists like the dimwits at Fat Grannies, Think Progress, Puffington Host, I find neither of you stupid, both of you of above average intelligence, and eloquent.

    What in the hell in your lives has convinced you to put so much trust in a government that for most of our lifetimes would have been put out of business long ago if efficiency and honesty the rule of the jungle?

    This time, that is not a criticism of either of you. I understand there are social issues that we can all agree to disagree. But what I can’t understand is in this fundamentally broken economy of which government IMO largely responsible, why in the world would each of you be willing to administer and leave the decision in the most private of all information…

    …your medical history and treatment.

    You two are nuts.

  74. Another week, another scandal….

    “(CNN) — Senior State Department and Diplomatic Security officials may have covered up or stopped investigations of inappropriate or even criminal misconduct by staff, according to an internal memo from the department’s Office of the Inspector General.”

    And just what was the “misconduct” that was covered up?

    “An active U.S. ambassador “routinely ditched his protective security detail in order to solicit sexual favors from both prostitutes and minor children“”

    Wow. That’s pretty serious, isn’t it?

    And what does the State Dept. have to say about this?

    “”We learned of it from the media and don’t know anything beyond what’s been reported,” Merrill told CNN in a written statement.”

  75. I think if someone takes an oath to defend the Constitution, that supersedes any other’s orders. Just like any person claiming to be a believer has a higher ‘boss’ and is advised NOT to take any other oath that could compromise that relationship.

  76. Rutherford you don’t live up to this level of commentary on your blog. Go ahead, give a smart ass predictable comeback, you always do.

    ~

    R @ #68

    ”Seriously dude, I know my opinion matters not but calm the fuck down. And everyone else here–don’t egg him on unless you’re personally ready to step outside your anonymity and bail the dude out of jail.

    Seriously.”

    What the hell are you talking about? Seriously.

  77. Here’s an example of something that just fucking infuriates me. Whoever leaked this should be summarily fucking shot in the face.

    And you know what, I’d bet dollars to donuts that it was someone tied to the Administration, if only to try and reclaim of some positive news in the cycle, never mind that it completely undermines what we do.

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  78. I think you’re right G. That’s got Obama’s fingerprints all over it.

    You know, as pointed out by many, something doesn’t add up with Snowden. I wonder if he is a planted scapegoat.

  79. Well…covering up for child rape now. Buck can’t even stop when some political appointee jerk rapes children.

    We blew it though. Too much criticism. Rutherford told us we deserve the shoulder shrugs. Hey R…..do child prostitutes deserve shoulder shrugs too? This administration is fucking depraved, man.

  80. “I have little if anything to hide and still I am pissed. If I thought it was only people of the nature and character of Gorilla rifling through my emails,”

    That’s the point the Nags make a FG’s. But it is NOT the point. The point is that people should be secure in their papers and possessions, without others rifling through them. It doesn’t make a red rat’s ass what is in them.

    You’ve got nothing to hide when you use the bathroom, but you close the door, don’t you? What about you and your wife’s bedroom? You close the door there, too, when things are happening. I seal my letters that go through the post office; I don’t have anything to hide there either.

    ‘The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.’

    Maybe somebody ought to read that to our “Constitutional Scholar.”

  81. “As for Tex’s emails, no, I would not. Unless Tex posed a direct and imminent threat to the US, of which he would HAVE to be outside of the US.”

    Actually I don’t think YOU understand. If Tex sitting cozy in OK and he’s corresponding with Achmed Mohammed then you will indeed be rifling through his email. Am I wrong that all it takes is one foreign correspondent for the email to become ripe for snooping? If I’m wrong then the media has it wrong.

  82. The GOP is as we speak constructing their 2016 anti-Hillary ads I am quite sure and the State dept is making it so damn easy.

    If Hillary decides not to run it will be because she doesn’t want to deal with her legacy as Sec of State which is no real accomplishments and a lengthening list of scandals.

    Rejoice boys. You will have your POTUS in 2016 because Hill is the only card in our deck.

  83. “What the hell are you talking about? Seriously.”

    Actually Muffy I was thinking of you and your pom-poms when I wrote that. As the dude writes in a clearly manic state about taking on folks who can crush him like a bug and then ups the ante by sharing fantasies of vandalism he’s got his dependable groupie telling him “you GO boy”.

    Where will you be when his ass gets burned?

  84. “Rutherford you don’t live up to this level of commentary on your blog. Go ahead, give a smart ass predictable comeback, you always do. ”

    Hard for me to give a wise ass comment when I don’t know WTF you’re talking about. Do you?

  85. As the dude writes in a clearly manic state about taking on folks who can crush him like a bug and then ups the ante by sharing fantasies of vandalism he’s got his dependable groupie telling him “you GO boy”.

    Who is going to crush me like a bug again, cupcake? See, my mother didn’t wipe my ass until I was 18, so I don’t walk around in fear like a little girl.

    My buddy didn’t get himself crushed. But he did leave a trail of destruction of a few dumb football oafs who had an expensive lesson coming. And he left a few good laughs along the way too, Mr. Piety. Hell yes that is funny.

    Get back to your anal porn – you sound more gifted and realistic when you talk about that.. It goes something like this:

    Size means little. Attitude and ingenuity mean everything….I can walk a 1,400lbs horse around with a bridle in its mouth. It could crush me like a bug. But it won’t, will it? I can walk a 2,000lbs bull around with a nose ring. It could crush my truck, much less me. But it won’t, will it?

    Whose the more feared opponent? The elephant; or the man holding the elephant gun?

    You’re not fit or capable to suck Muffy’s spiked stilettos. But she’s capable of putting those nails in your bent ass. Wise up and knock off the sanctimony.

  86. Actually I don’t think YOU understand. If Tex sitting cozy in OK and he’s corresponding with Achmed Mohammed then you will indeed be rifling through his email. Am I wrong that all it takes is one foreign correspondent for the email to become ripe for snooping? If I’m wrong then the media has it wrong.” — R

    You’re wrong. Like I said, this is clearly something you don’t understand.

    I can’t collect on an American citizen, without a FISA warrant, regardless of where they are located and who they are talking to. If they are located within the US, then I have nothing to do with it–FBI/DHS/BLANK Law Enforcement agency will do it.

    There are very strict guidelines for how the intelligence community deals with US persons (which include permanent residents).

    More importantly, I provided a detailed answer–something you are loath to do to ANY question directed towards you–and this is what you come back with? This? That’s all you got?

  87. Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in
    St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning
    the last Presidential election:
    Number of States won by: Obama: 19 Romney: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 Romney: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million Romney: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 Romney: 2.1
    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory
    Romney won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens
    of the country.
    Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low
    income tenements and living off various forms of government
    welfare…”
    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
    “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of
    democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population
    already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.
    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million
    criminal invaders called illegals – and they vote – then we can say
    goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

  88. Gawd Gorilla, that Markey video is a classic. 😆 Fourteen seconds of complete dumbass.

    Now that all these genius Dims are calling the shots, I am at least understanding more why $17 trillion ain’t important.

  89. If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

    If we are lucky Noah, and it would be a pain for you because you would have to relocate probably, but it might lead to a possible alternative path.

    Secession of large swaths of the United States. I think more and more people are quietly coming to that conclusion that this country no longer manageable and no longer feasible with all the dead wood, the stupidity of the Left. Too many irreconcilable differences – no hope and no wish to compromise.

    Tyranny is a real possibility, IMO.

    I think once Obamacare is fully understood and implemented, that will be straw that stirs the state drink. I think many are going to give the collective bird to D.C..

    I’m so ready to leave the brain dead of leftism, I can taste it.

  90. “You know, as pointed out by many, something doesn’t add up with Snowden. I wonder if he is a planted scapegoat.”

    😆 So well stated by Poolman Jr.

  91. Okay, R. I’ll ignore your remorse post, as well as all the other bullshit you’ve said on the topic before and since then. 🙄

    Glad to know you recognize the overwhelming evidence of Zimmerman’s innocence. If not, shut the fuck up and re-read what I wrote, Mensa.

  92. “Know why they are “asking?” Because under the PATRIOT Act, if they tell anybody they got the “requests” it is illegal and there is jail time involved.”

    wow. fucked up.

  93. Tigre, did they stay with the 2nd degree murder charge? I have not followed that one damn bit since it happened, other than to ride Rutherford’s ass about Al and Je$$e. “R” has gotten so accustomed to the harassment, he completely ignores me now when I pull out the cattle prod. 😆

    Sheriff Barney Zimmerman reads like a rube, but had I been in his position, I would have pulled the trigger long before Trayvon™ was on top of me. Matter of fact, Trayvon™ would still be alive because I would have “capped” two bullets in Trayvon’s™ young ass – one for each cheek as reminder to move along when I’m holding a gun.

    Though this may shock the Rutherford, I did pretty much agree with “R”‘s conclusion of wannabee sheriff and gangsta. In this case, the gangsta got an early surprise what it means to be a gangsta and it’s inevitable conclusion.

    Unless they bring in twelve Me So Horny bros, or the Nasty as I wanna be sistas, or of course the aggrieved O.J. crowd, you know the same ones yelling for reparations in the Obama phone line, you can kiss that hope of a guilty verdict goodbye.

    Most the people I know in Florida would only have one question.

    Why the hell didn’t you reload to make sure?

  94. Tex, as far as I know they didn’t lower the charge. The whole thing from beginning to end is total bullshit. Zimmerman facing a murder charge in an effort to prove non-existent racism? Fuck. It makes me angry.

    I think everyone’s conclusion is wannabee sheriff and gangsta. Including mine. And of course that obvious assessment doesn’t change a damn thing. The No Limit Nigga wrote a check he shouldn’t have tried to cash.

    In the words of our esteemed jurist Rutherford, “case closed.” 😆

  95. In the words of our esteemed jurist Rutherford, “case closed.”

    😆 I’d get out the cattle prod, but “R” has become immune to the pain.

    I’ve had to move on the wild pastures of Fat Grannies to administer justice. When they’re not threatening lawsuits, they blast Pfesser to punish me. 😈

    I must say that after Pfesser drops his hammer on the roaches, there’s not a hell of a lot left to prod.

  96. “I wrote a piece that got me in big trouble with my fellow libs cos I called out Trayvon for the ass that he was.”

    I’d love to hear what Rutherford considers “big trouble.” 😆 Your TV yell at you? Sandi give you the evil eye?

    Wait until I get home tonight to respond to your other bullshit, twinkletoes.

  97. “Oh well, if first degree idiocy were a jailable offense, you and Thor would be. . .

    Never mind. :lol:” – ET

    🙂

    Ahhh, but Tigre, think about the fun you would have sifting through that group of registered voters to find a jury of OUR peers. By the time you were done, the remaining participants would look like a mixture of the Birdcage, an Oscar Wilde convention and the MSNBC green room. 🙂

  98. Gorilla, not to pry too much into your work, but … I understand what you said about not being able to go domestic, but I clearly heard the NSA guy testifying in front of Congress that when they “unwittingly” pick up domestic information, they turn it over to the FBI.

    It’s like dolphins caught in a tuna net. The tuna fishermen didn’t intend to catch the dolphin, but it’s still just as dead.

    I don’t want my privacy to be a dead dolphin.

  99. Fuck Trayvon…the tension over the stabbing/murder of the that dude I know is simmering in my little, formal world.

    Doesn’t quite make national news when a black guy gets out of a car and stabs a white dude to death.

  100. R, to respond to the actual post here, imagine that. 😉
    I don’t blame Verizon. The law (which they were following) is the problem. Bush is out of office. Obama will be soon. But the law will remain unless we all make a big enough stink.

    Tex, thank you. But to answer your question, I don’t see much difference between offering my information to a health insurance branch of the government and a huge health insurance corporation like United H.C. There are credit report companies out there selling my information. I don’t recall consenting to that, but I’m sure it was way down there in the small print on my mortgage or credit card apps. I don’t use Facebook, but anyone who does is being sold the same way. The government has had my SS number since I was 13 or 14. I can only imagine what they can track with that. I plan on signing up for medicare when I’m 65. They will again have access to all my records.

    IMO, this NSA dragnet has an entirely different alchemy. They are collecting ALL our information in case THEY need it. And they lied about the necessity to keep the program a secret from us. If the program had to be secret to be effective, then it would follow that it would have to be dropped now that it’s public. Do you think its being dropped? Not on your life.

  101. This in my opinion is ultimately where Liberalism and the PC movement takes us. Liberalism is all about testing the boundaries. Once they get their foot in the door, they push and push until what they are really after is achieved. It always starts out as something “reasonable.” Something that we are told makes US ignorant if we don’t except. But then we get things like this school buy back program. We get kids suspended for biting a pop tart into the shape of a gun. We get kids suspended for playing with sticks shaped like a gun. Liberalism is a mental disorder. We told you so.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/10/Elementary-School-Urges-Students-To-Turn-In-Toy-Guns

  102. One new danger is that if we give Obama the benefit of the doubt, he doesn’t know much more than we do about the inner workings of our government. I don’t know which is more frightening, that he doesn’t know or that he is secretly directing operations.

    We are all tired, Doctors conducted more tests which delayed mother and child’s being discharged from the hospital My wife asked how the tests came out. “It doesn’t matter. It will be bad news. It always is.”

    It was good news. everything tested negative, but the doctors have never seen a baby like our grand daughter. She has a slightly small head but weighs nearly seven pounds. They can’t understand why with her prenatal history she seems normal. Next they want to do an MRI scan.

    The parents are groggy because the baby cries when she isn’t held. We were afraid the dog might be jealous because she got hyper for two weeks before the birth. She just sniffed at the baby.

    Baby and I had a staring contest, Except for the medical questions, life is normal for a new baby.

  103. .”But to answer your question, I don’t see much difference between offering my information to a health insurance branch of the government and a huge health insurance corporation like United H.C.” -Thor

    Yeah. You better hope the corrupt evil stink of the I.R.S doesn’t infiltrate Obamacare….oh wait a minute. You probably don’t really give the I.R.S scandal much thought….they were on your side.

    How you trust this government is beyond me….the last 5 weeks should be a game changer for even people like you.

  104. It is a mystery, isn’t Rabbit? How a man like Thor who appears to be reasonably bright can arrive at such wrong headed conclusions when the proof of the nullification of his hypothesis about the goodness and efficiency of vast government is all around him?

    I have told you before, some off the board, of what I believe our differences are due to. It goes beyond politic and social mores. It’s a complete world view that is diametrically opposed and completely incompatible. Not only is it incompatible, the differences are irreconcilable.

    That’s not to even say I don’t think Thor and Rutherford, perhaps a few others from the Left don’t have goodness in them; say contrary to those dregs at Fat Grannies that have no redeeming value.

    It’s just that each of us see the universe, government being only a subset, very differently and each of us are in desperate need of divorce.

    I am all for giving these Leftist the country they want – as long as they will cut us loose in a mutually agreed to state that is equitable and reasonable. I feel we can do it now peacefully, or we can do it sometime down the pike with blood.

    The sacrifices for both sides will be great. But I am confident the end result will be greater. There is nothing I see immoral about splitting this country, especially since the stakes practically 50/50.

    But I predict it will happen as this can’t go on much longer. While we slumber, tyranny creeps up to the front door through incompetence, arrogance, and to be perfectly frank what I perceive is sheer evil.

    I would prefer my wife and children not have to be endangered for us to get there. I have to assume men like Thor and Rutherford feel the same. And though I am capable, I have no desire to go to war or to hurt men like Rutherford and Thor in the process.

  105. Yeah. You better hope the corrupt evil stink of the I.R.S doesn’t infiltrate Obamacare….oh wait a minute. You probably don’t really give the I.R.S scandal much thought….they were on your side. – DR

    You need to pay closer attention. I already stated a post or two ago that I thought of the three, Benghazi, AP and IRS that the IRS was the most important, reminded me the most of Watergate. Using government devices to target domestic political opponents is serious. And the IRS lady taking the fifth. Might as well have been Erlichman facing Irvin. Cutter in those meetings. Stinks to high heaven.

    I don’t explicitly trust government. Anyone that has honestly read what I have stated here over the last couple of years knows this is true. But I do trust our system of checks and balances as well as the American people’s ability to do the right thing, slow as it may be at times.

  106. Perhaps a more possible solution that could be implemented would be to regionalize our country. As example, say possibly Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, become a new nation. Just thinking here. Do what the Soviets did in a manageable style and without bloodshed and banana republic while we still got the time.

    Since geographics play a critical role and we share a piece of property called the United States, we could allocate per capita, i.e., an expense of shared military. Each year, the bill comes do for each state.

    I really think this could be done without war and mass confusion.

    It’s just the federal government as it exists is broken guys. Completely broken and unmanageable. I don’t think it is salvageable, and certainly not with the current corrupt leadership. Too big, too powerful, too inept.

    I would like to see the D.C. area, an area that has never shared in the misery experienced across this nation and it helped cause, operate for the most part on its own. I predict it would collapse if left to its own accord and be a shell of its former self.

    When I watched the ‘Hunger Games’, I really did feel like their capital city was not too different from our D.C..

  107. ” I don’t know which is more frightening, that he doesn’t know or that he is secretly directing operations.” – James

    Reminds me of this SNL skit from Iran Contra.

  108. Looks like a rough night coming for some of you guys and gals.

    From the AP-

    “We’re becoming increasingly concerned that a major severe weather event will unfold,” Schneider said. “The main thing is for folks to monitor conditions and have a plan for what to do if threatening weather approaches.”

    For the first time this year, the center was using its highest alert level for parts of Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Ohio. The storms will start in late afternoon in eastern Iowa, Schneider said, and could hit Chicago around rush hour.”

  109. Parts of northern Colorado want to secede from the state, and sections of Nebraska may join them. That could be an option for us all, but I don’t think the federal or state governments would allow it. Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland have a system similar Tex’s suggestion. The Scandinavian Sami have their own parliament and some local autonimony.

    That is a wonderful Saturday Night Live video. Scary and funny.

    I again watched the Sarajevo War ‘ 92 video…but we’re never gonna survive, unless… we get a little crazy, again Average people like us fought an army. It could happen anywhere under the right circumstances

    A noisy thunderstorm woke us at 3AM with mostly lighting and little rain. The low and cold front are giving us cooler air and 35 MPH northwest wind gusts. Its collision with the warm air to the east is like setting off a bomb. The thunderstorms could turn into a deracio which could survive for hundreds of miles.

  110. ” This administration is fucking depraved, man.”

    This admin? Rabbit are you really so fucking naive that you don’t think govt folks traveling on business throughout the ages have been damn naughty?

    I’m with you–punish the State Dept guys getting whores and punish Hillary if we can prove she looked the other way–but don’t tell me business travel shenanigans are unique to the Obama admin.

    You sound like a child.

  111. “This admin? Rabbit are you really so fucking naive that you don’t think govt folks traveling on business throughout the ages have been damn naughty?”

    This is getting old, Rutherford. As I’ve had to say several times already in the last 5 weeks…its the cover up that’s depraved.

  112. “Buck stops at Verizon…..I forgot.”

    Wildly stupid. I never said that. I’d just be happier if some corps weren’t govt lapdog cronies.

    Sorry I forgot, corps aren’t supposed to have any moral backbone.

    It’s funny that some of you accuse me of fellating the POTUS when you same folks are, to borrow a phrase from Noah, total bitches for big business.

    I’m surprised you don’t jerk off to pictures of Ayn Rand.

  113. At least I sound like something you mum, coward. You used to take the ball running over the slightest hint that something is awry. Fuck facts, you were once kicking ass and blaming the Tea Party for lynching a dude.

    And now…..where are you? Where the fuck are you?

    You just don’t get how bad this administration has abused any semblance of trust with government.

  114. “It’s funny that some of you accuse me of fellating the POTUS when you same folks are, to borrow a phrase from Noah, total bitches for big business”

    Yeah…I’m a lap dog to big business. You are pointless.

  115. Dividing this great land along political lines would make for a terrific science fiction fantasy.

    Unfortunately I expect it to continue on the current trajectory into the dustbin of history. I do plan to kick a few Demoncrats in the glutius maximus on the way down if I can.

  116. “The sacrifices for both sides will be great. But I am confident the end result will be greater. There is nothing I see immoral about splitting this country, especially since the stakes practically 50/50.”-Tex

    My only problem is I wouldn’t want leave Michigan. We swing states would become a bloody mess.

  117. @#125 – Tex broke no laws and in fact it sounds like he did a respectable job of combating an injustice – though no one here encouraged him to take up the battle as I recall. I know of few things that are more disquieting than injustice, and few things more fruitless than fighting a traffic offense. At least he didn’t lie down and take it. I hope it turns out in his favor. His dogged determination – as well as his formidable debating artistry – are worthy of a pat on the back. You take classes to try and improve your skills at what seems to come naturally to Tex.

    I also know of few people here who tell a story better than Tex. Nothing abstracted or phony about the manner in which he recounts his experiences for us. He interacts with the world and people in the world on a daily basis and like it or not – the man is readable, soulful, and witty.

    But more to the point, I’ll remind you that I discouraged Tex from returning to Fat Grannies after that twunt warned of legal hassles. Your pal Doc didn’t warrant your finger wagging for “egging Tex on” then. All of which sort of flies in the face of your moronic remarks and clearly demonstrate that you are both a hypocrite and a buffoon.

  118. Thor, I just read that the IRS was training with rifles this week.

    Does United H.C train to shoot people, Thor?

    Rutherford, does Verizon train with live ammo?

    Melt the guns….huh Thor? Well at least my gun. The people in charge of health care being armed….nah….no big deal.

    I dont like what Verizon did and I am one of the victims. But….to see a big government liberal like Rutherford wag his finger at private entities for not standing up to the evils of big government….Thor….can you at least understand how frustrating that is for me? And are you at least cognizant of the hot seat you big government liberals are currently sitting in?

  119. And are you at least cognizant of the hot seat you big government liberals are currently sitting in?

    No, because liberals are never accountable for their inadequacy and broken promises, and the rules only specifically apply to someone else. See if it feels right, then they can’t be morally culpable for their massive failures. Lefties will always frame it as a vast right wing conspiracy that is causing all ills. Austerity is killing us like Europe – never mind Europe only austere because they attempted over the last decade what we are now doing and they’re broke for it. George Bush to blame has no shelf life.

    Let’s face it.

    75% of the Left are the damn dregs of the earth, manipulated by the other 25% of the Left in government, entertainment, and academia. Half of them don’t know what continent they’re on. But they know who holds the purse strings for a vote.

    And they are convinced they can get away with that for the remainder of their days if they dream up enough excuses assisted by the genuflecting and propagandizing media.

    Rabbit, do you honestly think Thor is going to be in here apologizing when Obamacare implodes and/or the economy tanks?

    Casper Thor…

  120. Tex…this is an honest question. Do you think educated liberals secretly question themselves? Are they liars or zombies?

  121. Fuck. It looks like my kids platelets shit the bed again. This one stings. Yesterday he was at 170. Tell me how the fuck this could happen. Doc’s acted like it was pretty much licked since he was so high.

    I have a bad feeling this isn’t acute idiopathic ITP. I’m nervous it’s chronic ITP. Or worse.

  122. Rutherford, you can scratch Marco “amnesty first, then maybe some border security later” Rubio off your short list for GOP contenders. Dude has no chance.

    On a different note…the Deputy Director of the CIA is quitting and being replaced by a White House lawyer with absolutely no CIA/intelligence experience.

    You know the scandals are getting bad when friggen lawyers are being appointed to top bureaucratic positions within the government.

  123. “You know the scandals are getting bad when friggen lawyers are being appointed to top bureaucratic positions within the government.” -Hucking

    Yeah…..too bad there wasn’t a way to quantify the net harm all of these scandals are having on us.

  124. “punish the State Dept guys getting whores and punish Hillary if we can prove she looked the other way–but don’t tell me business travel shenanigans are unique to the Obama admin. ”

    Yeah…sex with kids. Just the usual “business travel shenanigans.”

    :shrug:

  125. Do you think educated liberals secretly question themselves? Are they liars or zombies?

    Not most of them.

    A little education, many times too much education in liberal arts, combined with exorbitant arrogance and stupidity has fooled them into true believers, not wise or honest enough to note their soaring rhetoric doesn’t jive with their dismal results.

    Occasionally, “R” surprises me that he has given it some thought to being wrong, but most don’t.

  126. “It was good news. everything tested negative, but the doctors have never seen a baby like our grand daughter. She has a slightly small head but weighs nearly seven pounds. They can’t understand why with her prenatal history she seems normal. Next they want to do an MRI scan”

    James, you watch these cow-fuckers carefully. Don’t let them get their panties in a twist and start doing crazy things to the baby if the MRI suggests something odd. Lots of babies have odd-shaped heads, sometimes large, sometimes small. Ask them WHY THEY WANT A SCAN IF THE BABY IS FUNCTIONING JUST FINE. primum non nocere!

    Remember: treat the patient, not the scan. If the baby is doing well, fine. Modern docs have a large dose of technical training and a very small dose of life experience, having done nothing but study books – which is how you get in med school.

    If they want to do funky stuff to the baby, get a second opinion – in another town, or preferably another state.

  127. It’s like dolphins caught in a tuna net. The tuna fishermen didn’t intend to catch the dolphin, but it’s still just as dead.” — Thor #147

    If I’m seeing your information, dead dolphins are the least of your worries…

  128. Wildly stupid. I never said that. I’d just be happier if some corps weren’t govt lapdog cronies. ” — R

    Talk about wildly stupid, too bad you don’t have the same opinion about the media….

  129. Can I be a spy? I’m perfectly situated to be a spy.” — Muffy

    We’ll set up a secret rendezvous for an interview. 😉

    Seriously, its not all its cracked up to be….

  130. Thanks, Pfessor. It is our daughter and son-in law’s choice, but they are reaching the point where they are becoming disenchanted with the tests.When a specialist says he has no idea of why the baby should be normal with a slightly small head, One wonders why they want to keep doing tests.

    I’ll tell them what you wrote.

    Re 170, Muffy mentioned the warning of “legal hassles.” I turned the tables on them with my own warning, and it stopped. I haven’t read all of the comments, so maybe I missed something. Maybe they didn’t realize two could play the same game.

    If anyone can win his case, Tex can.

  131. Investors.com reports that Obama’s Homeland Security spies are watching us, but won’t snoop on mosques where most of the terrorists are.Since October, 2011 FBI agents cannot spy or conduct sting operations without the approval of a secret committee ,maybe that is why our spy network didn’t catch the Boston bombers even after the Russians warned us.

  132. yeah…they don’t give a fuck about our borders but devastated when we question why they need to monitor who we call or what we are emailing our buddies about.

  133. Guys, the threats of legal action by the Fat Nags is beyond laughable — and juvenile. There is no merit to them in either direction. I think they have managed to get rise out of people. Didn’t one of R’s friends from there make some comment about contacting the FBI about someone here?

  134. Tigre,

    You’ll note Lori’s threats to “Destroy Me” through the courts and her massive fortune were so terrifying, I actually stepped the pace up. 😀

  135. Tigre, I get it (#190). I don’t think anyone takes the threats seriously. And I don’t take Rutherford’s dumbass remarks seriously – though I do find them onerous. Nevertheless I did discourage Tex from going back there just for the personal attack salvos that Doc was indulging in alone over there (and then coming back here and urging James and Tex to join him). None of which Rutherford took issue with.

    In any case it’s none of my business and I don’t really care. I just thought Rutherford’s comments were way off as usual. Meaningless, but wrong and hypocritical nonetheless.

  136. “I actually stepped the pace up.”

    Exactly! 😆 So much for being controlled by people “egging you on” or calling you off.

  137. I don’t know if any of them threatened with the FBI, but I once wrote how the Janeane Garafalo message board erupted into death threats and such egregious insults that some one threatened to to call the FBI. The site shut down for three days.

    I was banned for about thirty times, and yet I later became a moderator and briefly administrator.

    Sorry about boring you with this, but…

    Our daughter just called from the doctor’s office. They had neglected to tell her that her daughter’s head was so small it was off the charts. just since Sunday, her head is now in the two percentile range, and her ears are a little bigger.

    The doctors wondered if our baby has any resemblance to family members as they consider genetics I said she has my chin and my longer middle toes. Our daughter said “those are mine.” My wife said “your dad got them first.”

    I suggested we baby sit on Father’s day while the new parents eat out together, and of course bring us food. Our daughter likes that idea. One for James.

  138. Rutherford is a godless lib and Obama rube, which should of course earn first class loathing from me. But he’s also nice and considerate enough for five years to allow me input to his blog without threat and cowardice, without malice, and meet fun, intelligent people like you.

    I would dearly love to meet most the people on this blog. You guys and gal have been a barrel of laughs.

    I would dearly love to piss on most of the people at Fat Grannies with them laid flat in the supine position.

  139. @ dead rabbit: The IRS has been armed for sometime now and has a shocking record over overzealous use of its militant units. I imagine you know this though. I hope you also know I’m rooting for you and yours and will be including you in the nightlies.
    @ Rutherford I don’t know what to say to you. Sadly I think you will be provided enough fluff to comfortably bed down in the bed of righteous progressive indignation. If you choose to bed down though please know you give up a lot. I think your character is on the line and I’m pretty sure I know which way you’re going to go.
    re Thor,not for nothing I don’t think he has presented anything that should lead anyone to believe he’ll be at the forefront of the barricades defending O-Care. I actually think he’ll be one of those that push even harder for single payer. I get that many think that was actually the grand scheme behind O-Care.
    @Tex I am glad you stepped up in the court room. I am actually shocked you lost although I’m actually unclear if you truly did. Did the judge finally rule or is it still up for review?
    @ R and Pools I suffered through a bit of a Current program that had your wisdom comedian on the panel. He was like a fucking retard at a MENSA party. Outmatched by the black guy especially who was playing the “this surveillance stuff has been with us for some time” spiel. I will say the comedian was at least consistent in trying to hammer his point across,along the lines of abuses overreach etc, but for fucks sake he looked like shit and didn’t win the day.
    I don’t care if it is your guy or someone like Dennis Miller,comedy club schticks cannot be ones foundation for higher thought..

  140. James, I can’t strongly stress enough to listen to Pfesser on this one. I think he is absolutely right.

    If your granddaughter’s vitals are normal, and she’s alert and observant, feeding properly and the birth weight doesn’t record too much loss “after entry”, I would ask the doctors, “Is there something you’re hiding or something you suspect? Then you should be honest enough to offer it. If not, leave her alone.”

    If there is one thing I learned in the hospital with my father last year, it’s that these hospitals are so gun shy of suit and threat, they operate in a completely irrational manner, calling for one battery of tests after another.

    And I assume it is CYA, courtesy of the hospital administrators.

  141. Thanks Tex. I will repeat what you wrote too.

    Our grand daughter is definitely alert, and she seems to recognize people.She heard a noise and turned her head in that direction. Our daughter noticed as i did that she often looks around the room. She has lost ” a few ounces” from 6 pounds 14 ounces. Her heart rate was high when she was born, but it is normal now. She seems to favor her left side and one side of her head is slightly flat, but her vital signs are normal.

  142. Noah, I think that’s that Facebook is tracked by the NSA. WTF gives with all Facebook stuff? I ain’t logging into that evil damn information gathering spy machine, especially on political matters.

  143. Muffy, I just find the whole thing so damn stupid. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but sometimes when it comes to legal matters some people are so strident yet have no fucking clue what they’re talking about. I guess I can’t always tell when people are serious or not.

  144. Tigre, how often do you get to question in court? I found that a thrilling experience. 😀 I still don’t know the decision three days after the fact.

    Like I told you before – I already know what the decision will be because they practically begged me to plea bargain for a lesser fine. I said no way – plea bargaining indicates guilt. I’ll get hammered as the decision reached before I ever entered the courtroom – but it doesn’t end there. It will be the most painful $300 the city of B___F___, OK, ever earned. They’ve been screwing out of town folks for years and it is a disgrace to our state, which is already disgraceful enough. And they are about to get exposed at the highest state levels for doing so by one of the world’s biggest pains in the ass.

    How often does an average Joe like me get fortunate enough to make a cop in uniform squirm in front of his peers and a Judge for bullying and lying? I mean, it was almost worth $300 just to get to legally flog a punk cop with an attitude.

    This sorry SOB didn’t even say a word back to my mocking his “fabulous” memory and asking him why he was wasting that gift as a police officer. I’m sure they are taught not to bite, but you know damn well he would have liked to use that gun right then and there if given the chance. He may have been cool with the mouth – but his eyes were on fire as well as his jowls.

    I also questioned this poor guy who they called up from the Public Works Dept.. The prosecutor thought he was sticking it to me by doing so, but he actually did me a favor. I didn’t want to call any witnesses like they offered, and I sure wasn’t going to put a blue collar country boy responsible for placing temporary signs in an intersection through the ringer. He was so nervous that he told us he had laryngitis. He was actually a nice, ordinary man who probably made poverty wages (which is more than I make) and was caught in the crossfire between a madman and someone seeing himself as Vincent Bugliosi. I had called the Public Works Dept. after the issuance for information. I couldn’t believe the prosecutor made an ordinary public works guy go through this dog and pony show. I’ve never seen someone more out of place.

    So that Rutherford not think me a completely heartless corporate loving, sellout bastard, at the end of the questioning and just to take a dig at the City Prosecutor and his henchmen, I turned to Judge Hardass and said, “Your honor? I would like you to know that Mr. XYZ of your Public Works Dept. was most honest, helpful and in my opinion the most professional employee I had the pleasure of working with during this ordeal. Mr. XYZ’s superiors in Public Works need to know that. 😆 They probably fired him Tuesday.

    Wait until these thieves see their name in print on a letter to the Governor, Attorney General and leader of the Oklahoma State Supreme Court when I slam the whole town for systemic corruption if they screw me. I don’t care if its for $1.00.

  145. Tex, I examine witnesses at deposition weekly. I probably examine 40-50 per year at trial or hearing. Some trial last several weeks though so there’s a lot to it. I had a 3-day trial a few weeks back where I did something similar to what you did in my closing. After trashing 8 consecutive, lying members of the plaintiffs’ family, I complimented them all in my closing for their professional accomplishments, composure and loyalty to their own — but reminded the jury that how their testimony didn’t amount to shit and they were just trying their best to help their family out like most folks. I’m told it was effective and not quite what any of the jurors expected (it was little more going strategically than what I’ve conveyed but you get the point — and yes I got the verdict I wanted). The jury expected me to excoriate them rather than catch and release.

    As I said to BiC, a good cross-examination of a tough witness is like sex. Glad you had fun. I wish I could’ve watched.

  146. Rabbit, thanks for keeping us in the loop on your boy. You too James re: your grandchild.

    ~

    “…someone seeing himself as Vincent Bugliosi.”

    😆

    “As I said to BiC, a good cross-examination of a tough witness is like sex. Glad you had fun. I wish I could’ve watched.”

    EggggsssACTLY! 😆

    PS…I get ya on the rest, Counselor.

    I have to go meet with G, I mean Mr. X now.

  147. I guess with acute ITP its possible to float into the normal range and then go down. I had some bad info. Either that or I heard only what I wanted to hear.

    Today, I spent 4 hours in the waiting room with bald kids. Some of them only a year old. At one point my boy, who on the outside looks and acts healthy as a bull, was playing with an obviously cancer stricken girl in the toy room. I told the Mom that I wanted to be careful because my boy can play rough. We both looked into the play area and saw the girl pouring a cup of pretend tea for my boy who was sitting politely indian style. Laughter seemed to erupt in the whole room.

    Kids with cancer bother me so much that I hosted a bone marrow drive in the early spring. We even got a match. I’m a lttle uneasy talking about it online because I could probably be outed if soneone tried hard enough. This was BEFORE my kid got sick.

    As you can imagine, the irony of ending up in the very place where they give bone marrow transplants for a blood disease is killing a center of the universe type guy like myself. Serious theological contemplations involving faith vs good works and the problem of evil. Just spending time in the cancer ward for children alone trips me out pretty bad. In a lot of ways its the ultimate battle ground for faith. A psychological combat zone. Fucking heavy maaaaan.

  148. “When a specialist says he has no idea of why the baby should be normal with a slightly small head, One wonders why they want to keep doing tests.”

    I will try to offer a somewhat less-critical comment than before: 1) common things are common. A small head with no other problems is likely just a kid whose head size falls outside the normal chart, nothing else. Doesn’t guarantee it, but as we say, when you hear hoofbeats by your window at 2 a.m., it is probably not a zebra. 2)uncommon manifestations of common things are more common than common manifestations of uncommon things. Which leads us back to 1). 3) The most common reason to not get a “gear down and locked” green light is a burned-out 25-cent bulb, not a failed $15,000 landing gear. 4)People who treat sick people look for sick people.

    Stay vigilant for your granddaughter – both against disease and those who treat it.

  149. “Didn’t one of R’s friends from there make some comment about contacting the FBI about someone here?”

    With the exception of Poolman I have no friends at FG, thank you very much.

  150. Muffy AGAIN WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    My comments about bailing Tex out of jail had NOTHING to do with FG. In fact I encouraged his shenanigans over there.

  151. With the exception of Poolman I have no friends at FG, thank you very much.

    That’s not a very nice indictment of your fans Pfesser, James and Tex. 😡

    Aren’t we your friends? Well, sometimes anyway? 🙂

  152. If your son ever asks you why he should get an education, show him this picture:

    If your daughter asks you the same question, you should show the same picture to her, too.

  153. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22895781

    217 is the link to US Patent office. This link is the story at BBC.
    Meta data…doesn’t matter who reaps it and how they use it I guess ‘cuz the solution is on the front end with the “sowers”.
    I will say one thing about Europe. They are very upfront about informing folks about cookies and local storage etc. Check your cache folks…its a hoot how much garbage piles up there.

  154. Thanks again, Pfessor.

    Doctors told our daughter she had an incompetent placenta after the adventure with Downs Syndrome. They were so worried they planned to induce labor as soon as the benefits of early delivery out weighted the cost of a normal birth. She was also at risk for a still birth. Doctors were pretty sure our daughter would need a c section.

    We got the impression this could lead to bad consequences. At one point last week, the baby was apparently asleep and they kept our daughter in the office for nearly two hours until the baby began to move to be sure she was all right. Our daughter wondered if they thought her baby had died,

    Very few of the doctors assumptions have come true, for which we are grateful. Our daughter thinks they are puzzled.

    Something odd has also happened to me. I have glaucoma in one eye, I have had cataracts for over ten years, and scaring on my optic nerve. My opthimologist mentally prepares for surgery, but I still have 20/20 to 20/30 vision, and she doesn’t understand why. She gives me high fives after each exam.

    Rutherford, Tex, Pfessor, and I are your friends, especially when we visit that other site.

  155. James my apologies if I’m covering old ground but don’t doctors assign an APGAR score to babies as a health measure? If your grand kid’s score is good then why are they fussing?

    Again sorry if APGAR was hit already here — haven’t had time to read every comment.

  156. Speaking of MENSA.Shakira the Columbian pop singer and panelist on The Voice is a member of MENSA. — James

    She should be. I’m a big Voice fan and the woman’s vocab for her second language is stunning. She’s also drop dead gorgeous.

  157. “In a lot of ways its the ultimate battle ground for faith. A psychological combat zone.”

    And just think DR I gave up on the battle ages ago.

    My wife got laid off yesterday. Only good part of it was she got more than 90 days notice. God didn’t have a damn thing to do with it. All the prayer in the world wouldn’t have stopped it.

    With a little luck and lots of effort we will get through this. We need health insurance more than the average family.

    I’m not wasting my time being angry at God. I’m pissed at the corporate cock sucking mother fuckers who throw people’s lives away for fun and profit.

    Fuck them!

  158. Ah, now I understanding why you’re off the corporate bandwagon. I am sorry, “R”. I mean that. I was just talking to my own mom that there is a problem in America and a real danger of having a country with haves and have nots. You’ve seen me cut against the grain about corporate exec pay, so don’t think I’m without some association with you.

    I met the rudest woman I’ve ever met in a Walmart at 6:00 AM last Monday morning. Well, other than the black woman at the register last month who told me to find somebody on the floor to help me. She actually said, “Shoo…” No, I’m not kidding. 😆 I think something was about half way wrong with her, so I pretty much let it slide, though I did mention to her in passing she was ‘worthless.’

    Anyway, this old gal who was about half bald told me I didn’t know what I was talking about and they don’t carry audio books. Trying to be nice, I said, “Mam, I just bought one in her two months ago.” “Sir, I have worked in electronics for two years and you don’t know what you are talking about.” 😆

    I shook my head, went up to the manager, who then proceeded to tell me she hates the store. 😆 The manager, I mean. She says, “they treat these stockers like hell. I shop at Target.” I said, well you might want to talk to Mary – she’s a little loopy.

    The manager looked at me and said, “She lost her house in a tornado and lives all alone. But we’ve had complaints about her many times before. She doesn’t have much. I will say something.”

    I felt about six inches tall. I told the manager, “I am a stockholder in Walmart and have been for years. Don’t say a damn thing. And I am sorry that I’m such a selfish twit that I even mentioned it. I’ll go to Barnes and Noble later today and kick one up. And soon, I will write Bentonville and tell them as shareholder, you suck. Count on it.”

    I say all that to say this. You’re damn right they are taking advantage of little people. And it pisses me off “R”.

  159. Rutherford,

    I’m probably not helping but as a friend now, even if you’re an Obama rube, I care. And I would help if I could. If you’re ever interested in moving this way, I will try and help. At least it’s much cheaper generally to live here. And who knows. You might grow to really like it. I know a lot of people that have moved from your parts down here and love it. I’m serious.

    Can I make a suggestion? Look at this as an opportunity? Not for your wife. You. Are you not miserable in Chicago? You know, there was a time you were more upbeat and fun. I don’t need to live beside you to know this has been wearing on you and this blog has become simply an escape.

    You’ve got talent in writing, old boy. Not this political crap with a bunch of clucks like us. You need the money, I understand and especially the health care, so I’m not asking you to quit that mundane stuff – you got to eat and you got to look. I’m asking you to stop for a moment and reflect.

    Have you ever given in thought in your spare time to writing? I mean you do have a pretty unique life story, admirable in many ways, and you are accomplished. I don’t care the employment situation and all the crap I’ve given you. Don’t forget that.

    You’re as far from failure as it comes. What mom and dad wouldn’t be proud of a kid that turned out like you?

    Pfesser probably knows a great deal about available health care alternatives. Don’t be afraid to ask him.

    Lean on your contacts here and elsewhere – you’ve made a bunch of contacts across this country and you don’t even realize it. Even with the over-the-top vicious crap, and yes I do hate your politics and would strangle you on occasion, but I think I speak for everyone here when I tell you that there’s not a person on this board that wouldn’t bend over backward to help.

    Why don’t you take advantage of your real talents?

  160. “That’s not a very nice indictment of your fans Pfesser, James and Tex. 😡 ”

    Tex you’re hardly an “FG person” you’re an interloper. As for James and PF I view them as escapees who deserve the utmost respect. 🙂

  161. Rutherford….I’ve been there. The anger is fierce too. Hang in there. For a while……I spent nights awake wondering how I would feed my family. Two years later my house is 100% paid off, I’m building my Roth with loser stocks and own a depreciating treasure chest of precious metals. I couldn’t even script the chain events if you paid me a million bucks. It can get so much worse and so much better from where you are now and I’m willing to bet you will be dished out both before this hard ass life is over.

    1. While you can barely mask your fake politics you are NOT a LOSER and never have been. You are an awesome survivor. Your exactly the kind of guy who can handle this.

    As for the battle you “gave up”…I’m not buying it. It’s your favorite subject to talk about.

    I’m not saying you will ever find God. And I hope you never, ever experience it. But…you truly don’t know shit about the battle until you are completely powerless. And trust me, as handicapped as you have been your whole life, you don’t know powerless until you are driving for an hour with the very real possibility that your daughter as blood cancer.

    Again. I’m not trying to sell God. I’m just predicting the internal debate in your mind isn’t over.

    2. Just give me the word and I will use my connection to find employment here in the Detroit area. I actually have decent connections, believe it or not.

  162. Rutherford,
    For what its worth you can add me to the list of those wishing you well. You’ve been through a lot that’s for sure. You’ve racked up enough points in the hard knocks camp to have something turn up for you and yours. I offer this more as an observation that you’re more of a fighter than some might think you as,and that I think you have as a family what it takes to move in any direction you need to for-you & yours. Thats a powerful thing some folks don’t dial in on.
    Again good luck,condolences and best wishes. I’ll be rooting for you & yours.

  163. Thanks Tex and Rabbit for the kind words particularly in response to my angry tirade.

    I can see a silver lining to this situation so long as a few pieces fall into place. Even though 3 months goes by in a heartbeat it’s still enough time for us to regroup.

    LOL I am so pissed off about this that I blurted out a nasty comment about the layoff at the dinner table completely forgetting we hadn’t told our daughter yet. I’m still recovering from the death stare I got from my wife. 😆

  164. Darn, Rutherford the way you turned out we all should have flat sided heads like you.

    Our grand daughter passed the APGAR score, though her pulse was fast at first, and she was discolored because her umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck, she was soon normal. Doctors think she should have problems because the placenta didn’t let the baby get enough nourishment. That caused her head to be small and implies possible brain damage to them. They keep trying to find something, but so far, they have failed, And our grand daughter’s head appears to have grown a bit since she was born on Sunday morning.

    My wife and I didn’t actually see the doctors and specialists. We surmised from what our daughter told us.

    I don’t believe God had anything to do with your problem either. The others gave some good advice. The Omaha area has a pretty good economy. I could ask around if you wanted.

    Your situation reminds me of Piano Man

    “Its a pretty good crowd for a Saturday
    And the manager gives me a smile
    ‘Cause he knows that its me they’ve been comin’ to see
    To forget about life for awhile
    And the piano, it sounds like a carnival
    And the microphone smells like a beer
    And they sit at the bar and put bread in my bar
    And say, ‘Man, what are you doing here?”

    I like Shakira too. She is considering quitting The Voice because it takes time from caring for her small infant son.

    You are good people.

  165. Great article in The Journal that sums up quite well the feelings most Americans have toward Hussein’s administration and their use of govt power – and that is precisely what the govt is, isn’t it? Power, raw power, and nothing else – to silence their opponents.

    http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887324688404578541503659850678-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwMzExNDMyWj.html?mod=wsj_valettop_email

    couple of memorable quotes: (Hussein:) “We’ve got congressional oversight and judicial oversight. And if people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress and don’t trust federal judges to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution, due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here.”

    (Author:) ‘Uh-huh.’

    also: ‘In January the pollsters at the Pew Research Center reported that for the first time a majority of Americans—53%—now agree that “the federal government threatens your own personal rights and freedoms.”

    This is far beyond concerns about the size of government. A majority of people now see the government of Madison, Jefferson and Franklin as a direct, personal threat.

    So yes, we have “some problems” here.

    partial dup at Fat Grannies. I left off the part about ‘cud chewing.’ LOL.

  166. Pfessor, you asked about future conditions in St. Louis for later in June. The latest weather guess is warmer and wetter than normal.

    Rutherford, with all of the good wishes toward you, it reminds me of George Baily, the “richest man in town.” Then, I think of the Saturday Night Live skit “Lets Get Mr. Potter.”

  167. In 2001, if someone told me we are going to ally ourselves with Al Queda to fight a war over the Sunni Shiite split, I’d choke on my food.

  168. We might be setting up a NFZ, too. And this time it will be without UNSC or congressional authorization.

    War in Syria will offer the public a nice distraction from Obama’s many scandals, even if it really just adds another one to the growing list.

  169. That really does sum it up. The shittyness of this administration is outrageously surreal. I can’t BELIEVE how many horrible scandals are going on and how dangerous the world is all the while the middle class shrinks and unemployment is horrible despite billions and billions debt. Run on sentence I know. But it’s not my fault, man! I can’t believe there are guys like Rutherford and Thor still in the trenches for a product so……shitty.

  170. “In 2001, if someone told me we are going to ally ourselves with Al Queda to fight a war over the Sunni Shiite split, I’d choke on my food.”

    DR maybe I have my history wrong but didn’t we create Bin Laden and by extension al Qaeda when we supported them in Afghanistan against the Russians? My point being we create monsters in our short sighted attempts to go after the current enemy.

  171. Boys even this old liberal got pissed off tonight when, with all this crap going on, Chris Matthews opened Hardball with a wet dream about whether Hillary will run or not.

    It was his lead story. Incredible.

    I am beginning to wonder if liberals are more prone to hero worship than conservatives. Perhaps the reverence for Reagan is the exception that proves the rule?

  172. So Huck, you are more knowledgeable on this tribal M.E. mess than I am.

    Let me see in my simplistic mind if I can summarize America’s stance and point out why I am a little confused about our goal. I know our intent is for Assad to be removed. That much I thought I understand. After Mubarak and McDaffy and that rousing success of springtime in Egypt and Libya, we need the trifecta…But exactly who do we think is going to step into the void when Assad gone?

    So Assad has now crossed another line and we are going to arm the Syrian rebels, many who have pledged allegiance with Al Qaeda, thereby possibly arming Al Qaeda by proxy?

    Hey, indeed. What could go wrong? 😐 Rabbit’s right. Surreal. It’s like the Keystone Cops are running our government.

    I’m trying to wrap my head around this, but doesn’t that kind of make us potential allies with the people we are attempt to hunt down and kill in the first place? Are we going to provide them drones, then kill them with drones?

    In Vietnam, they had a term for this level of competence I understand. Something about cluster…

    Why does my gut tell me this is going to end badly?

    The only real curiosity for me considering this swift move? Will the critics of the Iraqi War about George Bush and Darth Cheney meddling in affairs that are not our business, grow strangely silent this time around?

    I realize that is a rhetorical question.

  173. didn’t we create Bin Laden and by extension al Qaeda

    We created and still MANipulate™ them. How else do you think we can justify a war on terror? Where do you think these Chechen freedom fighters terrorists came from?

  174. Rutherford, even I get tired of the recall of Reagan – a man I consider the only excellent President in my lifetime.

    For years, I have vacillated between nausea and embarrassment when Republicans recollect the great days of Ronald Reagan at all these events. Yes, Reagan was fabulous. He’s also dead and not coming back. Boys, boys? It’s time to find a new Ronald Reagan – he’s been gone 25 years now.

    I think if they nominate me President, I’ll talk about the days of Abraham Lincoln or George Washington and what they would what our party to do. It would be as meaningful.

    Rutherford, there is something I want you to know. Had Mitt Romney been elected, I am sure things would have been better than horrid – just really bad. I figure about 70% of the country now classified as ignorant.

    I’m not so naive to think Mitt Romney would have waved a magic wand and suddenly the Republican Party’s head would be removed the elephant’s ass either.

    My designated party is so broken, it deserves to go the way of the Whigs. Unfortunately, it’s adversarial opponent went the way of Karl Marx sometime about 1964.

    Either way, we’re sunk. It will just get there quicker with Obama at the helm.

  175. Bummer about the wife’s job, Rutherford. In my house we’d be wondering what was about to open up. God doesn’t shut a door without opening a window. Could be a blessed opportunity. I don’t know if there is an opportunity for the both of you to work together, even if you both could? Just a thought. I don’t know if she enjoyed her job, but I know there is a certain felling of freedom when some jobs are done. Stay optimistic.

  176. In my house we’d be wondering what was about to open up. God doesn’t shut a door without opening a window.

    Poolman, I don’t mean to scold and I even admire the mature believer who has faith like you do, but now is not the time and place for Rutherford.

    It’s along the same lines as these folks in Moore, Oklahoma, who upon surviving the tornado, praised God as Having His Hand of Protection over Them. He didn’t have His Hand over the children who perished in the school too?

    Proverbs 25:20
    Like one who takes away a garment on a cold day, or like vinegar poured on a wound, is one who sings songs to a heavy heart.

  177. This is going to sting.

    ”Remember what I said: save some money and make a plan because you’re going to need it. I am curious though, if/when your wife gets laid off (I most certainly do not wish this, but I fully expect it), are you going to just lament the corporate hierarchy again, or will you maybe sit back and consider that we all reap what we sow…” an800lbgorilla December 14th, 2012 at 10:55

    I’m not wasting my time being angry at God. I’m pissed at the corporate cock sucking mother fuckers who throw people’s lives away for fun and profit.” – R

    I guess now we know.

    Six months ago, to the day.

    As I was driving home last night, I heard a blip on the news talking about layoffs with a certain company, and I immediately thought of you. I’m sorry it happened and I hope for the best for you and your family.

    That said—and to be frank—I have no idea what it is going to take. You are the most masochistic person I know of. You consistently support people and policies that hurt you. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Of course, you could always drown the son-of-a-bitch in the trough…

  178. This is hilarious. I thought the economy was recovering?

    It’s official: Congress will slash food stamp funding in the midst of a deep economic recession, when more people rely on food stamps than ever before.

    Monday night, the Senate passed a five-year farm bill that contained $4.1 billion in cuts to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) over ten years. This ensures that the only debate now will be about how much to cut—and it’s likely to result in cuts much deeper than $4.1 billion.

    It must be a real pain then talking points conflict with one another….

  179. Speaking at his 18th fundraiser of the year, President Obama Wednesday evening declared without apparent irony that governing the nation is his sole priority.

    “Now, I’ve run my last campaign — and Michelle is very happy about that,” Obama said to laughter from well-heeled donors who had assembled at the Miami Beach residence of philanthropist Joseph Blount. “And so what that means is I think you can have confidence that all I care about right now is governing.”

  180. “DR maybe I have my history wrong but didn’t we create Bin Laden and by extension al Qaeda when we supported them in Afghanistan against the Russians?” -R

    We didn’t arm Al Queda. We supported Afghan fighters against the Soviets. Pakistani intelligence, which we were cool with, sometimes supported Mujahedin jihadists.

    The Taliban was not created by us. Either was Al Queda.

    That being said, so what? We armed the resistance to a Soviet Invasion. Domino theory of the Cold War….Hindsight 3 decades later is kind of silly, isn’t?

    The difference is the game changed after 9-11. It hasn’t changed since. Al Queda wants to kill your family and soon Navy pilots will be risking their lives helping them in battle because your boy, President Fuck the Buck it Don’t Exist wants it that way.

  181. And so what that means is I think you can have confidence that all I care about right now is governing.”

  182. “Chris Matthews opened Hardball with a wet dream about whether Hillary will run or not.”

    Why?…she will probably be the next President of the United States. And unlike the current one, who never even ran a lemon-aid stand, she has a vast resume. The problem is she 100% deserves to be shamed into oblivion for her tenure and a disgusting liar.

    But….make no mistake about. The will of the people are with you and Thor.

  183. You’re welcome Rutherford.

    I agree with dead rabbit about unintended consequences.

    Obama said his goal is to govern. His goal is to rule.

    On Newsbusters “Washpost Reports on ‘Kingly sums of Obamas’ Upcoming Trip to Africa.”If Obama really cared about the economy and those suffering from its effects he would stop traveling like a king.

  184. Apparently Long Duc Dong and Dirk Diggler have become too rough around the edges for Grannies. I’ve been banished.

    I beg forgiveness, Helen. Pleazzzzze, pleazzzzzzzzzzze let me back in. 😥 I won’t do it again. 😥

    They wouldn’t let me respond to those little nasty buggers today.

    And I was so thoroughly enjoying our conversations while their eyes bulged. And I found out Lori and I are like bosom buddy proximity too which would have made a trip to the can all the much easier! Dang, just when I was starting to catch my stride, they cut me off at the knees. Life is just not fair. Well, back to square one.

    I wonder who will take my place?

    I’m stunned the hags haven’t banned James and Pfesser to the sidelines. Now I admit, James is more the gentleman and Pfesser and old timer over there. But still, I thought the prerequisite for membership was male feminist? That disqualifies them.

    I think James and Pfesser been slipping Helen the Mickey….

    🙂

  185. I take it from G’s analysis that I shouldn’t be angry at God. I shouldn’t be angry at my wife’s (and my former) company.

    I should be angry at Obama.

    Well G at least I didn’t blame the Tea Party. 🙂

  186. R, you’re still an ignorant, stubborn, limp-wristed, liberal, commie, brain washed, deluded, agitator, and a total pain in my ass. . . but in all seriousness, I too am very sorry about what happened and I hope for the best for you and your family. Really.

    Don’t forget, you do serve a purpose around here for us conservative assholes. I know we all want your financial situation to improve so we can kick around that strong, stable, arrogant, liberal douche worthy or remorseless personal attack.

    See? It ain’t all about you. You’re the Tina to our Ike.

    Keep your chin up.

  187. now is not the time and place for Rutherford.

    Well, who am I to question the timing? It COULD be a perfect opportunity. Necessity is the mother of invention. Sometimes choice is forced upon us for a reason.

    Imagine if Rutherford still had his corporate job along with mrs Rutherford still having hers. He’d be lock step with whatever this administration was about instead of now questioning its motives and actions. Now he can say whatever he wants. What does he have to lose?

    To me, it is more valuable to know truth than to remain ignorant and well fed. It isn’t the norm for us Americans, but is quickly becoming a greater part of the overall economic landscape here. I know I wasn’t called to have a life of comfort.

  188. Well R, perhaps it’s time to consider what your leaders and party have and will do to improve your lot. Hating Big Business and those that you think represent the worst of it (for some erroneous reason that’s been me at times) is totally pointless. The economic policies you promote hurt not help guys like you. You were neither born nor raised to be dependent on government or corporate “charity.”

  189. Tex, our policy in the Middle East is no different than it is here at home. It is driven by the urge to do something. The something we do will probably be stupid and costly, but at least we didn’t sit back and do nothing, even if doing nothing is potentially better than our something.

    This is just another of the many, many examples that Barack Obama is in way over his head. After 5 years on the job, he still has no clue.

  190. R, I remind you of our previous conversation where I predicted exactly this outcome because I think you’ve completely failed to reflect on why you are in the position you are in. Remember, the only common feature to all your failures is… you. You need someone to blame, only because you refuse to hold yourself accountable. It is easier to blame said company for making certain personnel decisions instead of reflecting on the fact that you supported the policy decisions that forced said company to make those very personnel decisions that hurt you. You voted against your own interest, and now you’re bitter that you got exactly what you voted for.

    You continue on with the fallacy that the point of a business is to provide you with a job, which is ludicrous. Considering your recent entrepreneurial exploits, I would think that this epiphany would have sunk in by now. You’re pissed that there aren’t enough high paying jobs, yet you’ll defend an Administration trumpeting job numbers that: A) don’t even keep up with population growth, B) fail to meet even their own claims (Summer of Recovery ’10) and C) are almost half part time or temporary work. Likewise, you’ll brag that “things are improving”—how do you feel about that claim right now—in the face of statistics and facts that are diametrically opposed to your claim. And yet, through all of this, you continue to fail to reflect that maybe, just maybe, the line you’ve been fed might not be true.

    The definition of insanity is to do the same thing repeatedly, expecting a different result. OK, you fell for hope and change, along with a lot of people, but surely you weren’t lobotomized in the booth while pulling the lever. It is not so difficult to see that this Administration has been dishonest in almost every way, shape and form—so much so that you can’t defend them. You’ve had nothing of substance for months, if not a full year, to defend your party and this Administration with. In fact, you don’t even bother with your mental gymnastics anymore, you just ignore and make a snide remark on some frivolous tangential detail that has zero bearing on anything of import.

    Maybe you should stop listening to anyone else, and just have your own moment of clarity, and reflect: how the hell did we get here?

  191. Another day, another (potential) Obama Administration scandal…

    “A cyber security firm hired by CBS News has determined through forensic analysis that Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was accessed by an unauthorized, external, unknown party on multiple occasions late in 2012. Evidence suggests this party performed all access remotely using Attkisson’s accounts. While no malicious code was found, forensic analysis revealed an intruder had executed commands that appeared to involve search and exfiltration of data.

    This party also used sophisticated methods to remove all possible indications of unauthorized activity, and alter system times to cause further confusion.

    CBS News is taking steps to identify the responsible party and their method of access.”

    Gee, the computer of perhaps the last journalist to give a shit about the events in Benghazi had her computer hacked last year. I wonder who might have done that?….

    :shrug:

  192. Ah Huck, quit being so paranoid…

    Gee, the computer of perhaps the last journalist to give a shit about the events in Benghazi had her computer hacked last year. I wonder who might have done that?….

    Random Hacker (cough cough)…

    /sarc off

    Incredible. Just wanted confirmation that I had pretty much understood that. Another red line has been crossed. I’ve got an idea. If we can just keep taking steps back and painting red lines, maybe we’ll be out of Syria!.

    Just do something…doesn’t matter if we should…just something.

    Well said.
    ——-

  193. “R”, old buddy. Gorilla is right. You need to gain an epiphany soon. It’s not too late, and yes, your wife was rendered moot without any cause but profit. However…

    These corporations are private. They owe you nothing and in fact have provided you a comfortable living for your family for a number of years. You owe them nothing in return. It’s a temporal relationship.

    But before you do that, you need to get something else straight in your spiritual relationship.

    You can’t be mad at God for your troubles:

    (1) Either God does not exist, or
    (2) You don’t want God in your life and He obliged.

    Either way, God cannot be at fault for your problems.

    And it would now be the height of hypocrisy on your behalf to turn around and blame God when your entire adult life, at least the part I’ve known you, has been one of mockery and disdain toward whomever you believe God to be.

    However, Poolman was right though I don’t think his timing was perfect in his suggestion. You can beat yourself up, or you can gird your loins and adopt a new “paradigm.”

    Not anything of politics, but I estimate if you do choose a new path, you will find your politics perceptibly changing in the process.

    The offer stands if you would like help in this part of the globe. You and your family are welcome to stay with me while you look, if you feel the need to relocate. I’ll bet my wife could help in Houston, though her place small and spartan – she likes it that way. The service would be hospitable.

    I’ll even give you your own TV room so you can watch Rachel. My wife would not be that accommodating, mainly because she doesn’t care for TV. 🙂

  194. Huck, I had something interesting happen this morning

    For the first time, I commented on a Al Jazerra board which is moderated. My comment did not make it through the filter, though 200 others did, many hateful with nuke them and screw them.

    I find that interesting, because my comment took pity on the people of Iran. I did not mention Islam. I was critical of Khameni and Mahmoud, but only to the degree that they had failed their people. I was critical of our sanctions in that I ventured the only people being punished were the people of Iran and not its leaders. I called Barack Obama gutless in 2009/10 for not backing more strongly the Green Movement.

    But I made one mistake. I told them as Americans we will not allow Israel to be destroyed by an existential enemy, nor could we allow madmen to have ‘the bomb.’

    It’s amazing what they Al Jazerra finds tolerable and what they don’t. Read this if your interested in my confirmation.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/201361422742470418.html

  195. Al Jazeera is a part of the msm. You have to remember the present state of Israel is a construct of the British Crown and the American controlled UN which has not always held itself to the decrees of either and whose borders are constantly encroaching all their bordering nation states. You also have to think that tribes have territories but don’t often recognize the same border delineations we have so neatly ascribed to them on a map.

  196. Now is a time for your family to band together and include your daughter for her input, Rutherford. I pray you see golden opportunities and quit manifesting imaginary what ifs.

  197. R, I am so sorry. Kick some shit. Break something. But don’t wallow in it. I’m not saying you would, but it’s a danger for anyone when you take such a blow. Just remember, you have great resources at your disposal. You have experience, an education and many friends. You have no choice but to succeed. Just don’t let others define for you what success means.

    Let me know if you need anything. ANYTHING. If you choose to relocate in the Spokane area, our door is always open.

    http://www.visitspokane.com/learn-about-the-spokane-region/relocation-information/

    From wherever you draw inspiration, I hope you can find peace.

    Because I know that time is always time
    And place is always and only place
    And what is actual is actual only for one time
    And only for one place
    I rejoice that things are as they are
    T.S. Eliot

  198. Tigre or BIC,

    I have a question. Actually, just an opinion. I’m not holding you to legal advice.

    If you were to right a letter to the Attorney General of a State referring to a Municipal Court judge and City Prosecutor of lowlife Oklahoma in your opinion as grossly incompetent, what is the legal risk?

    Or, to maybe put it another way, once a decision has been rendered in a verdict and the case closed in a low level beef, are not prosecutors and judges just ordinary people – public servants you can use by name as example of something terribly wrong in the state? 🙂

    They reduced my fine significantly, but then charged me court costs which basically reset the amount to its original form. 😆

    Actually the decision I thought they would reach leaving the court room, though the fine was not reduced as much as I had predicted.

  199. Tex, why would you contact the AG? They represent the State — state agencies, departments, authorities, the Governor etc. They don’t have oversight over the bench which is generally handled by the JQC (Judicial Qualifications Committee) responsible for competency and investigations of complaints of ethical misconduct by judges.

  200. p.s. I don’t know what kind of trouble you could get into as a pro se litigant. As an attorney, it is an ethical breach to publically disparage judge. Depending on the stage of your case, you could find yourself in contempt of court too.

  201. Tex, you might have grounds to appeal the decision (depending on the judicial scheme in OK). Going after the judge without disqualifying misconduct (real incompetency or ethical malfeasance), you are pissing up a rope. I can’t even imagine how many letters are sent by people unhappy with a ruling claiming all kinds of things about a rigged system. Your remedies are to set aside the ruling, and see what can be done to be sure this judger and prosecutor are not reelected.

  202. No appeals, Tigre.

    But thank you for responding and I mean it when I tell you and BIC as friends I both like and admire that your advice the last couple of months has been taken into account. Your advice sound, even if we agree to disagree about the state of affairs of our judicial system.

    I find our judicial system mostly incompetent and rigged, where those with connections are held to a far different standard than those not connected. That is not meant to imply there aren’t honest judges, capable attorneys within the court system. Just not near enough.

    I hope you and BIC take this the right way when I say that each of us sometimes are blinded by our biases and our opinions to what is the reality. I know if you had asked me last year about our medical system, I would have given America medicine high praise – and reflecting back, I think much of it unearned because I perceived medicine as the highest of all professional pursuits and the most altruistic. I still do. But the system itself is far more broken than I understood as student. Much of the blame lies within medicine itself.

    I could say the same thing say of Walmart and the way their employees are treated. There are legitimate complaints that men like Rutherford make that we minimize because it doesn’t jive completely with our politics and our support.

    But how could I be found in contempt of court when the case closed? Are we now not hanging on the cliff of impinging upon free speech? Am I as a citizen not entitled to an opinion of the abilities of a public servant, even a judge? If so, then we have a far bigger Constitutional crisis than I had imagined. These people are not elected but appointed. Therefore, they go unscathed and untouchable and to be honest, if this case any indicator, have far more unchecked power than is healthy.

    Appeals are not my motive, nor is my driving record. $250 is not life changing and my driving record perfect until now. I have a far greater issue here than a overpriced traffic ticket from Mayberry.

    For some time, I have perceived my state’s biggest problem is (1) We are poor; (2) We are corrupt at many levels – especially our small towns and our turnpike authority, where they run roughshod over people from out of town and out of state by pulling stunts like this. Sometime back, it was proven that many of these small communities were financing their city by speed traps and the like and were shut down cold by the State (supposedly). I aim to convince my state to take a hard look at the operations of this town.

    My intent is to convince the powers that be that someone with the stroke doesn’t need to consider my case – it needs to take a hard look with a professional audit making comparison to what is being administered in the name of justice within these small towns and why it is damaging us as a state.

    There’s a big push right now with a program called ‘Keeping our Best and Brightest at Home.’ Well, you’ll note my kids are not home. And they are not home in large part because their own father convinced them that there are better places to conduct their careers.

    I want our governor, Attorney General, and Chief of the OK Supreme Court to give consideration as to why our best our leaving…

  203. “I find our judicial system mostly incompetent and rigged, where those with connections are held to a far different standard than those not connected. That is not meant to imply there aren’t honest judges, capable attorneys within the court system. Just not near enough.”

    Oh, I don’t disagree with most of what you said. Cronyism predominates. Competence from the bench is much rarer than it should be. The lowest tier courts, like the one you’re in, are the worst.

    In theory, personally attacking the judge, rather than the decision through legal process, is deemed to undermine the integrity of the bench and decorum of the of the proceeding (at least on an aspirational level). Obviously you can’t tell the judge to fuck off in front of him and claim immunity from a finding of contempt based on first amendment rights.

    However, as I said, no one is going to any attention to your letter. They don’t care and aren’t required to. There not even going to care enough to consider a contempt. If you’re going to go at it, I think you should do something more effective. The AG, Chief Justice of the State Supreme Court or Governor aren’t even empowered to do anything other than refer it along, if they even cared enough (which the won’t).

    I am glad you’re willing to see the shortcomings of the medical profession. I have to say, in my experience there are tons of grossly incompetent, greedy, and unethical doctors. I don’t hold the profession on the whole in nearly as high regard as you and PF, but that is the bias that you identified at work. As you know, the medical profession does little to police it’s own. I assure that the willingness of lawyer to sue another lawyer for legal malpractice and secure expert testimony to support their claims dwarfs the medical profession’s willingness to do go after their own even in the most egregious circumstances.

    One of the primary reasons I think your perceptions and those of the public are quite different when it comes to assessing the integrity of the medical v legal systems is that what we do is done openly and publicly. The medical profession by it’s very nature is not.

    But all in all, I think you paint my prior comments defending the profession too broadly. There’s a lot — and I mean A LOT — of bullshit and injustice in my profession. Look at how pissed I get with Zimmerman. You ought to see how mad I get when I get cooked by a Judge in a case where my client suffers the result.

  204. They are going after lawyers in Turkey. 40 were arrested the other day. There was a slew (or a pod – whatever a bunch together are called) protesting their associates’ treatment in the streets.

  205. Not exactly prophetic, but what’s going on in Turkey reminds me of Shakespeare’s line ”The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers,” was stated by Dick the Butcher in Henry VI.

    (incidentally, the Butcher was a notorious anarchist and follower of the rebel Jack Cade, who thought that if he disturbed law and order, he could become king. Shakespeare meant the line as a compliment to attorneys and judges who instill justice in society. I often heard it said to disparage lawyers by the uninformed)

  206. Speaking of Shakespeare, therein lies another rabbit hole. Many researchers believe the author of the works more likely Sir Francis Bacon and/or his brood of merry men.

  207. One of the primary reasons I think your perceptions and those of the public are quite different when it comes to assessing the integrity of the medical v legal systems is that what we do is done openly and publicly. The medical profession by it’s very nature is not.

    I don’t disagree but the medical profession by its nature is limited in what can be shared because of patient confidentiality. And I think the measure of risk of practice between the medical profession and your chosen profession is so vast, that frankly they are not equitable in comparison. You have three years invested in your professional schooling. Many of those doctors have ten. You have one bar to pass. They have a minimum of three to basic practice, and another three to seven just to practice specialized medicine unsupervised.

    But I don’t find the legal system “open and public” at all. Law should not be so complicated in its methods and its intent that the least of us have a basic understanding of its rules, its methods, the procedures, and the risk. Medicine is not subjective – law is. That is my second biggest beef with the legal system.

    In theory, personally attacking the judge, rather than the decision through legal process, is deemed to undermine the integrity of the bench and decorum of the of the proceeding (at least on an aspirational level). Obviously you can’t tell the judge to fuck off in front of him and claim immunity from a finding of contempt based on first amendment rights.

    I’m not telling Judge Magoo to fuck off. I’m telling those who hold the purse financial purse strings Justice Magoo incompetent, a bully, and buffoon with no oversight. I can understand the decorum of a court proceeding and I was very mannerly in court, but we are no longer in court. In essence, you’re now granting immunity and rights to an individual that the rest of us don’t have for the sheer reason of title. Are you not? Neither am I seeking to hold them in contempt, though I find them contemptible.

    All I’m trying to do is expose them for the thieves they are. It doesn’t surprise me that their peers would cover. Most of our politicians aren’t attorneys for nothing. That’s why I want it removed from the legal jurisdiction into the court of advertised public.

    You may be right. Maybe our politicians won’t do shit. But I know this much. Politicians above all others don’t like bad publicity. Their very careers are at stake.

    I don’t want to get into a tiff with you, Tigre; nor you BIC should you arrive. I appreciate the advice and the friendship. You could have told me no can do and I would have understood.

    I am just trying to be objective and honest in my assessment that not only is America swirling the bowl, but our legal system,our politicians and our media are the ones holding down the handle.

  208. “This is just another of the many, many examples that Barack Obama is in way over his head. After 5 years on the job, he still has no clue.”

    Putting aside all accusations that I’m an Obama apologist or rube as Tex would say, this comment puzzles me. By all accounts it has been Obama dragging his feet on Syria trying to stay out against the wishes of McCain and his boy toy Graham.

    Are you saying he’s clueless for capitulating? Ok I can sign up for that. But let’s not pretend the GOP is dead set against intervention.

  209. @ Tex I don’t know if you have considered this but I’d like to offer it up. Perhaps the Op-Ed and legislative route would be something to look into. You clearly have the passion and drive for it and I get a vibe you’d find allies if you were to enter the fray as it were.
    Here in MA there have been a number of cases where citizens truly initiated some movement in the system up to the recent decriminalization of marijuana votes.
    Your potential plan of attack is kind of a win win thing. You attract people who recognize the wrong and you potentially get the system a little chubby as they get a boost to do the right thing.
    Just a thought.

  210. @ Rutherford 287 I won’t speak for Huck but I think part of the problem is how Obama has dragged his feet. He has been completely indecisive on the issue. I won’t fault him for not going in like McCain’t and Missy Graham want. The flip side though is that you can’t be dropping hints to others (Syrians,EU) that you support x or have such a seeming lack of appreciation of the regional dominoes being stacked (Lebanon,Hezbollah,Iran,Russia etc.)

  211. G I know you think you’ve got this thing figured out but calm down and consider:

    The company in question departed from its unwritten full employment policy during the second half of George Herbert Walker Bush administration. So the notion that this corporate behavior is born of a bad Democrat admin is simply a misread.

    The company in question survived the Great Depression without a single layoff.

    You see G, unlike you, I was there. I saw the company change right before my eyes and the change reflected the change in philosophy of its leaders more than any financial imperative. Even if the steps taken in the early 90’s saved the company, its fundamental beliefs should have guided it back to normal. Instead a new normal set in. A truly special company became just another company.

    By the time my wife joined in 2000 the new approach was established — constant churn, constant purging, constant employee anxiety.

    As I told her two days ago, when it comes to the company in question, I married a prince who turned into an asshole. She on the other hand married an already established asshole. As much pain as she’s in it can’t compare with my seeing the total moral destruction of my beloved company.

    You just don’t get it.

    P.S. My attitude might have been different if I went from college to a less “paternalistic” company. That’s not how it went down.

  212. It’s just business, nothing personal. Except that business involves persons and that makes everything about it personal. Unfortunately, to stay in the black in today’s business climate you often must adopt a heartless attitude. If you don’t, there’s always someone else there with one ready to snatch your market share. Dog eat dog, they say.

    Employee loyalty. Seniority. Excellent job performance. These are not the guarantees they once were. Business has been forced to take a lean and mean approach to compete, unless associated with government. If one of the government’s blessed industries, everything is coming up roses and bonuses.

  213. “Are you saying he’s clueless for capitulating? Ok I can sign up for that. But let’s not pretend the GOP is dead set against intervention.”

    No, I am saying he is clueless because of his “OMG we have to do SOMETHING!!!!!!1111” domestic and foreign policy style. Capitulating to terrorists in Syria is simply a by product of that.

    Nobody is pretending the GOP is against it. Where were you when we were shit talking McCain for meeting with them a week or so ago?

    And even though he would likely have wide bipartisan support for a Syrian intervention, you can bet he won’t be seeking any congressional authorization for this one, either. Even though doing so would give him political cover when it all turns to shit.

    Which it will.

  214. ” I assure that the willingness of lawyer to sue another lawyer for legal malpractice and secure expert testimony to support their claims dwarfs the medical profession’s willingness to do go after their own even in the most egregious circumstances.”

    I guess where you stand depends upon where you sit. Doctors and nurses see it the other way ’round. Massively so.

    Interesting, isn’t it?

  215. I’ve lost 30 pounds since Easter. I only eat shit that has not been processed and I eat all I want. It’s awesome. Heaping salads covered with homemade salad dressing and cheese ( full fat) and a massive T-bone.

    Wife makes the mayonnaise with farm eggs. I gob things with honey and butter when I want to. I buy all my honey off my buddy. I make mead with anything I don’t use for the year.

    Oh yeah……I drink all the beer I want. But it’s all mashed by my brother. I only drink home brew now.

    I do run 4 times a week….2 to 4 miles. Nothing more. I lift weights twice a week. Play basketball twice a week and softball. I love yard work and have the most bad ass looking lawn and flowers for 3 blocks. So, I’m not sedentary. But damn, I never was before. And I shed 30 pounds. Despite the fact I’ve spent the night more then a few days in the hospital with my son.

    It was hard at first, everything has to be homemade with natural products. I don’t give a shit if its organic anymore. Just has to be something directly from earth before factories change it. I try to buy everything with close to no ingredients. I guess it could be called the pre inductrial revolution without the filth diet. No bleached flour.
    For instance, I eat grilled salty ass chicken legs and swig beer two times a week. Eat salad with huge balls of buffalo cheese. I sometimes eat an entire salmon fillet drenched in butter. Slam whole milk. I’m shedding pounds.

    I come to realize none of this food has remotely the calories as processed food. Despite a non caloric restricted diet, I go to sleep slightly hungry. But I don’t care because tomorrow I can crush all the food I want. Plus! I’ve come to enjoy the sensation, as weird as that sounds.

    Once you get in the groove, as corny as this sounds, it becomes a life style.

    Oh…it’s cheap as fuck to. Chicken legs to feed the whole family for 3 bucks!

    Who knows though…maybe my cholesterol is 400. I’m gonna get some blood work soon.

  216. Industrial…damn ipad….bought for me by the tax payer. I should be stoned to death for even accepting it.

  217. Op Ed is useless, Alfie. Nobody reads the Op Eds here anymore – a liberal rag in a conservative state. I might throw it in as a footnote, though.

    No, I’m going to have to go this one on my own. But I am going to go. They want to sue me for libel? Fine. I’m not going to cower to these POS. Judge Magoo wants to charge me with contempt? Great. I’ll put his nasty ass mug on a highway billboard right outside the city with pompous ass and thug written right besides his name.

    I’m just amazed at what people put up with anymore. We all shrug our shoulders and whimper and bitch about the man, the system, and the politics. But how many people do you see these days with an ‘R’ behind their name that get their nails dirty? Claw right back on these pricks?

    You know, if Republicans had the passion some of these swills and turds for Obama do, they’d still win the elections. Just an observation.

    But I have come to the conclusion for all but a few in this country, that Dimocrats are stupid and Republicans are gutless and afraid they might be called bad names and be sued.

    And neither side provides an ounce of real leadership. And nothing ever changes.

  218. Rabbit, wild guess. But cholesterol production of low density lipoproteins is only about 20% related to diet. Most of cholesterol production is genetic.

    If I remember my biochemistry, which I enjoyed:

    I would wager right now, no matter what your diet, your total cholesterol count has dropped, perhaps dramatically, by simply losing weight. And I would guess your LDL (generally considered the bad) has dropped as well.

    However, I would suspect your triglycerides may measure appreciably higher, thought that varies from patient to patient.

    Your diet reads closely associated to the Atkins Diet that was popular some years back. It works, but i will tell you that there are a few dangers associated with it. You need a certain amount of glycogen/glucose derived from starches to operate, as the brain uses almost exclusively glucose for energy.

    In addition, the Atkins diet had tendencies to cause a great deal of yo yoing. At least that was my experience with friends and family that tried it.

  219. Tex…I might have oversold the fat and meat because I was bragging. I eat steal cut oats, honey and dried cherrys for breakfast.

    I also eat a ton of berries. I should write a book called “Eat Like a Bear” and get rich.

    I’ve given some thought since

    I posted and realized why this diet might be working. If I dont have time to make it work, and it does take time, I eat a quick greek yogurt or apple and move on with life until the next opportunity arrives. I don’t restrict my eating, but life does.

  220. Rutherford,

    I witnessed your company change in 1985-1990. They went from a manufacturer to a services department through the ’90s in large part.

    Doesn’t surprise me that the culture changed too – not for the better I might add. I almost went to work for them out of college. Just think, we could have met sooner! 😀 Back then, that was the place to be.

    Do they still do that “shared services” crap? That’s another braindead idea corporate America was hoodwinked about.

  221. No matter who comes out on top in Syria, they won’t be our friends for long, if at all. I say we wait for a victor to emerge, THEN we bomb their airfields. 🙂

    Tex, how far is Damascus from the plain of Armageddon? I’m no end timer, but damn, sometimes you read the headlines and it seems like something straight out of the Book of Revelation.

    Happy Father’s Day to all the Dad’s around here.

  222. Tex, I have to let it go. I have immeasurable respect for you and PF, and many from the medical profession. Hell, one of my roommates and best friends in law school was an experienced MD (all others engineers by chance). I hold the profession in high regard, especially from an academic standpoint.

    Just not as high as you and PF seem to.

    I hold Ivy leaguers in high regard for the most part too.

    Similarly though, since I work with some, and litigate against them, not as high as many others that don’t.

    PF (and you) are dead on: “I guess where you stand depends upon where you sit.”

    Comparing the academic rigors is a waste of time. They’re different in virtually every respect. Suffice it to say, my roommate did not do as well in law school as he did in med school despite his remarkable intelligence.

    You, DR, Muffy, PF, G, and James could all probably make damn fine lawyers from what I’ve read. BiC’s stuff speaks for itself.

    Yeah, there’s far too may dumbfucks and sleezeballs in the legal profession. But there’s also some of most ethical and intelligent of any profession on the planet (as there are with doctors).

    That’s not coincidence.

  223. ET: “But there’s also some of most ethical and intelligent of any profession on the planet (as there are with doctors).”

    Yeah, but you guys have a lot better jokes. Drs in general – hell, nearly without exception – take themselves ‘way too seriously these days. I guess the argument could be made that being an MD is not much fun anymore – from my perspective it certainly is not. When Obamacare gets in full swing – boy-o-boy…

    I had a cousin – a GP – who knew how to enjoy life. He leased a Corvette and drove it FAST; he and another cousin of ours used to fish, bird hunt, tell stories. He did woodwork and even carved himself a totem pole – said he always wanted one – with the things on it that were important to him: family likenesses, friends, a shotgun, crossed golf clubs.

    He died about ten years ago from old age. He told me that he always wondered where his parents got the money to send him to med school. I knew – my father (his uncle) made liquor and his mother (my dad’s sister) sold it. He died never knowing and I never told him; it’s the Hillbilly way. LOL

  224. Thanks for the complement El Tigre. and for the good Fathers Day wishes thor. Congratulations on the weight loss dead rabbit. Happy Fathers Day.

    A character on Maude was a doctor. One story line concerned his “god thing.” Such an attitude is not exclusive to doctors. Even storm chasers have it.

    I’m tired. We had a severe thunderstorm last evening. Instruments recorded over 2,000 lightning strikes along the storm line in an hour.

  225. There’s no ill will, Tigre. Nor does there need to be. You know I hold you in high accord, or I wouldn’t have come looking for you. On top of that, you’re the only attorney I’ve ever met that is willing to offer advice without his hand out for money.

    I’m just witnessing what my daughter is doing through med school vs. what my niece is doing through law school.

    Yes, even with my walk through med school for a brief spell and the utter distaste and the utter disdain in the way the school conducted itself, and what transpired with my father last year in the hospital, the medical profession is still one I hold not just in high regard, but the highest regard.

    But I do think these Ivy League schools, the Dukes, the Vanderbilts, the Stanfords, the Rices of the world are highly overrated. Way overrated. In fact, I find entrance to most of them a joke. And I’ll tell you why. There was one person in my high school class that went to Harvard and one that went to Yale. They are white, Conservative, and reasonably good students. One is Protestant and one is Jewish. But none of them would qualify as academically brilliant. If they were academically brilliant, so am I.

    But they have one thing I don’t have. Their fathers and their privately held companies would rate them as the .1%. They have multimillion dollar endowments.

    But that’s not to say there are not plenty of smart cookies walking through their hallowed halls. But there are at many of these lesser state and private schools too.

  226. Navy jet pilots and the lead doctor on the U of M blood disease floor or Detroit Recieving eye institute are the only people I have ever felt the presence of their awesomeness to be so strong that it zaps the alpha right out of my machismo.

  227. Syria needs to be left alone. Our desire to achieve some faux nobility is out of touch with Real Politik on this one as it was in Libya.
    I’m no fan of Assad and I make no apologies for his governments past but the stakes are too high and the game not ours to play. Let the Syrians solve this alone or at least as the micro-regional thing it is.
    The USA will lose no matter what on this one.North Africa,the Sahel and the Middle East (as well as the ‘stan’s) are all undergoing a change and it is in my opinion best if we (US & West) let it evolve more naturally and deal with the results as opposed to continue to try to vainly influence them.

  228. Tex the minute the Ivy’s decided diversity was a priority the game changed. IMHO there was a time when two things got you into Harvard – true genius and money/connections. Now a third factor plays a big role – a compelling life story, as compelling as any 18 year life can be.

    I was no dummy but the fact I was the only seriously disabled kid in my honors classes was a big factor in why Harvard, Amherst and Trinity in CT all made bids for me.

    I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing.

  229. Rutherford you are only disclosing the proper side of including diversity. You surely tick off some diversity points but hell you still had honors courses under your belt.
    Sadly there is way too much diversity inclusion for the diversity sakes and that is a huge negative for all involved. From the diversity folks who fail because they’re somewhere they never should’ve been in the first place to the folks who achieve zero benefit from taking classes amongst those that will ultimately park their cars and lastly the prevalence of dog shit courses and dog shit degrees that floods America with excess piles of dog shit worth citizens.

  230. On the international front Iran is offering the biggest opening it has in a while…are we remotely aware of this?
    I suppose this opening could be a trade off or even just a piece in the bigger game that the Tehran crowd has time and again proven they know how to play.

  231. Happy Birthday, Rutherford. I hope it will be blessed.

    I agree with Alfie’s 310. If only we heeded that advice. Truth is we have been involved in the conflict from the start. The discussion is now on getting us officially involved, as France and Britain are prodding. The conflict has only served to solidify Assad’s power and base and get the Russians more involved. The majority of Syrians support Assad and oppose foreign mercenaries committing atrocities on their soil. All the various religious factions were at peace before the instigated unrest. The massive disinformation campaign uses the msm to disseminate the bs. Because of that, Americans are probably the most misinformed persons on the planet right now.

  232. “I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing.” -R

    lol….nooooo…..you don’t say? you don’t think its bad. shocking. 🙂

  233. Happy Birthday, “R”. Now you and I are the same age!

    As to the diversity? Kind of like my and Pfesser’s debate with Tigre. Kind of depends where you sit as to your opinion. But there’s no doubt it lowers the mean too. 😉

    Truthfully, I had no desire for my children to attend the “elite” schools, and that is the truth. My oldest one’s test scores were good enough to apply anywhere. Her MCAT high enough to surpass the mean MCAT at any medical school, including Hawwwvard.

    However, the chances she would have been offered a full ride for free at Elite U.? Zilch. And she gets to work under the supervision of some of the world’s best doctors at Andersen. How many students get the joy of being taught by instructors like this?

    http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-02/no-pulse-how-doctors-reinvented-human-heart?page=all

    Those are some pretty impressive chaps.

  234. Well, it’s a rare day when I you come to a what appears unanimous conclusion at this bar, but like Alfie, Huck, Poolman….and considering the past, present and possible future:

    Why do we want to get involved in Syria again?

  235. I’m no end timer, but damn, sometimes you read the headlines and it seems like something straight out of the Book of Revelation.

    Well, perhaps you will be when not from the Book of the Revelation, but Isaiah, you see this happen:

    Isaiah 17:1-4

    New International Version (NIV)
    A Prophecy Against Damascus

    17 A prophecy against Damascus:

    “See, Damascus will no longer be a city
    but will become a heap of ruins.
    2 The cities of Aroer will be deserted
    and left to flocks, which will lie down,
    with no one to make them afraid.
    3 The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
    and royal power from Damascus;
    the remnant of Aram will be
    like the glory of the Israelites,”
    declares the Lord Almighty.

    4 “In that day the glory of Jacob will fade;
    the fat of his body will waste away.

    Not only does Isaiah predict Damascus will become uninhabitable, but that the state of Israel will be greatly troubled when it happens and lean times arrive.

    If memory serves, archeologists tell us, and it vacillates back and forth in the debate, that Damascus and Jericho are probably the the two oldest, continuously inhabited cities on earth.

    As to the distance? I had to look it up – apparently less than 100 miles, though I can’t find an exact measure.

  236. Tex, I had been reading the same scripture. Damascus has never been desolate. Prophetic times, indeed. There is a multilevel game going on here and it best to examine all the levels as one finds them without drawing too early a conclusion. I don’t think most Americans knowing enough or wise enough to not be led by the nose. Maybe we’re too close to the problem.

  237. Tex, we agree more than we disagree on most all of it. I know a fair amount about how things go in med school too.

    I couldn’t have swung law school without an academic scholarship. I am grateful that I received one. I do however loathe racial and diversity preferences. They do bring the mean down and do virtually nothing to promote it’s so-called objectives. I saw a study on that supports our views. I look for it.

  238. Mostly aimed at Rutherford due to the corporate stuff.
    Panera Cares Cafes. Seems like a stupid idea to me in a lot of ways but then again thats how I’m cut.I’ve visited some of the regular stores and have had occasion to visit one of their central stores locations (YUCK!). Anyway I don’t really like the social good pressures kind of thing especially when they damn well are not going let me apply it to them in their entirety.

  239. Rabbit chuckle all you like but I think there might be some value in our both getting into Harvard B School and being thrown together to bring our different perspectives to the studies.

    College should be more than job training. Exposing folks to other folks with vastly differing backgrounds is not only enriching, it’s our only hope as a species to learn to get along with each other and progress.

    Diversity for diversity’s sake is foolish. I agree with that. But if standards are applied, a pool of talented but diverse kids is preferable to a monolith.

  240. ET @ 322. Excellent article.

    Could you live with a small preference as opposed to a large one, and perhaps a resource or income based index instead of a race based one?

  241. I got my Master’s degree today, so now I’ve joined the ranks of some of you other nerds! Social Science with a focus on Middle East studies (big surprise, right?)

    DR, I hope that boy of yours is doing OK.

    And happy birthday, Rutherford!

  242. “Could you live with a small preference as opposed to a large one, and perhaps a resource or income based index instead of a race based one?”

    Nope.

  243. “Rabbit chuckle all you like but I think there might be some value in our both getting into Harvard B School and being thrown together to bring our different perspectives to the studies.”

    Geez, R. The point is, you would’ve taken DR’s seat (or someone else with valuable perspective/qualifications DR or others would be denied exposure to for reasons).

    “College should be more than job training. Exposing folks to other folks with vastly differing backgrounds is not only enriching, it’s our only hope as a species to learn to get along with each other and progress.”

    Racial preference in elite college admissions is our only hope to get along as a species? 😆 Really? I guess I better run for the hills. Most of the folks with vastly different backgrounds that I have been exposed to didn’t go to college at all. I didn’t realize there’s only one setting: an institution didn’t even apply to because I didn’t have a prayer of getting in, especially given my racial and physical limitations.

    Such BS.

  244. Happy Birthday, Rutherford!

    Congrats, Huck!

    Happy Father’s Day to all you guys. Regardless of your beliefs or political leanings, everyone of you on this board come across as fabulous Dads! DR, so sorry to hear about the latest on your son. Thoughts and prayers sent your way as well as to James’ granddaughter.

    Rutherford, I am sorry to hear about your wife’s lay off. Everyone though should recognize that the idea of “loyalty” by an employer or employee went out the window a decade ago. In today’s work environment if you have a job you should be on the lookout for your next job. You and your wife might want to check out the non-profits such as foundations. I understand a lot of them are hiring especially in the field of research and data processing. You also might check out some non-profit charities in your area and start volunteering your services. Relocating might also be your answer. Good luck!

  245. Tigre “Most of the folks with vastly different backgrounds that I have been exposed to didn’t go to college at all.”

    I agree Tigre. I didn’t have a clue about the “real” world until I left the University. I am now exposed to folks with vastly different backgrounds who never went to college and yes, I find it more enriching than my stent in college. When Humpty Dumpty falls off the wall, these folks will know how to put him together again while the Harvard elites will still be scratching their heads 😉

  246. Alfie@310 “……as opposed to continue to try to vainly influence them.

    But Alfie, that’s what we always do. Our motto is “it’s our way or the highway”.

  247. I often wonder if we and the other European nations instead of going to war with a country boycotted their oil production or would the other oil-producing countries boycott us? I’m sure the idea of gas rationing in this country would not be a popular concept. Hell, if we can pass the Patriot Act and all it’s ramifications without so much as a blink, you would think we could ration in the name of patriotism 😉

  248. Congratulations Huck!

    Happy birthday Rutherford!

    Best wishes for your family dead rabbit.

    Would we let an affirmative brain surgeon operate on us, a similar lawyer argue our case in court, or an affirmative action president?

    Our grand daughter’s picture was just on KETV Omaha. it helps when her father works for the station.

    We will be spending some time with them again so the parents can get some sleep.

    Another story this evening discusses the large number of Canadians who are coming to Omaha for medical treatment. A woman interviewed in the teaser said it is worth the extra cost.

  249. If you want real diversity, join the militery. That’s where it isn’t fake.

    Yet another striking aspect of liberalism. They aren’t even egalitarian. I’ve seen too many kids get fucked over because they are white. Each one will have a chip on their shoulder for life.

    Plus….college campuses are extremely lacking in diversity of ideas in the liberal arts world. So, it’s not working.

    Congrats Huck. What’s next?

  250. Huck, he is doing ok. He doesn’t feel sick and is platelets aren’t that low right, now. Thanks for asking. We go back in Monday.

  251. I got my Master’s degree today, so now I’ve joined the ranks of some of you other nerds! Social Science with a focus on Middle East studies (big surprise, right?)

    Congrats, my good man. That information may turn to be incredibly useful quite soon. Frankly, it’s one degree that actually sounds interesting anymore. Maybe you ought to enhance it and learn Arabic? Just a thought.

    As to Nerd? We’ve got a lot of things on this board. The only nerd I’ve read is the bartender who has been lax in getting us are drinks for free lately. Get your ass back here, birthday boy.

    —————

    I went to a wedding last night and my feet are not used to wearing Allen Edmonds shoes anymore. Is it permissible to wear tennis shoes with suits yet? Strangest wedding I’ve ever gone to but it was fun. It was almost like what they really wanted was a dance in a wedding dress.

    I don’t know if they do this at all weddings now, but the first dance at the last I’ve gone to recently, the married wedding guests have to dance for good luck to the bride and groom. They start this countdown of how long you’ve been married and you leave the floor if you’ve been married for less than ‘xx’….

    I’ve noted that about the only people left still standing after my wife and I Ieave the dance floor have blue hair. 😆

    I ogled the pretty girls, sat down and drank beer with the college boys. I can’t do that anymore.

  252. I think this man makes a legitimate point and one that has concerned me for sometime – even traffic tickets. 😐 I don’t worry much about most people on this board understanding this guys and Muffy, but I think most of America slumbers. And those that enable it because it targets the “right people” are both fools and despicable. Because you won’t escape the grasp.

    From Scandals to Tyranny

    It’s difficult not to have a surreal feeling watching the world go by in the shadow of the growing monolith of Obama Administration scandals. Some of the government actions that have come to light would have been universally understood as signs of encroaching tyranny just a few years ago. The disbelief you once had that a society could willingly stroll to a totalitarian condition? You’re watching it happen.

    http://oceanstatecurrent.com/opinion/from-scandals-to-tyranny/

    And many of you either don’t care or are excusing it.

    He’s right, gang. But I would take one exception. This is not just Obama and Co., though that is the most obvious example. This is at every level of government.

    As I drove home last night by myself (my wife and girls stayed the night to have more fun), I got to thinking how many in Oklahoma are allowing this to happen without a complaint. For instance,

    (1) When did we give our State permission to fingerprint us to obtain a driver’s license?
    (2) When did we grant permission to suddenly move from brightly marked patrol cars easily distinguishable, to now unmarked patrol cars? Aren’t police and highway patrol to protect and to serve? How do you do that in secret?
    (3) When did I give our mayoral candidates permissions to send me absentee ballots with all of our personal information already “preprinted” for convenience?

  253. Happy Father’s day to all the dads here. My kids took me to dinner last night. My body is rebelling a little today. Once your body gets accustomed to eating natural and less processed foods, these binges really do make one feel sluggish.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Congratulations, Huck! Now, do you have to join the workforce to pay back a massive student debt? That seems to be the norm in America today. Hopefully, your massive effort will pay off. College for me was more a social event.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Huck you got your sheepskin in time to write about the end times of America and the M.E.

    True dat! These are the times that try men’s souls. I feel we’re right back where we started. Interesting times indeed.

  254. @ poolman that’s twice in one thread we’ve agreed on something. Not for nothing folks but that may very well be a sign of the Apocalypse.

  255. From Scandals to Tyranny

    It’s difficult not to have a surreal feeling watching the world go by in the shadow of the growing monolith of Obama Administration scandals. Some of the government actions that have come to light would have been universally understood as signs of encroaching tyranny just a few years ago. The disbelief you once had that a society could willingly stroll to a totalitarian condition? You’re watching it happen.

    And many of you either don’t care or are excusing it.

    I would take only one exception with this short article. This is not limited to the Obama Administration. My own state, the reddest state in the nation now, and my city are equally guilty.

    Last night while driving home from out of town (my wife and girls stayed to dance the night away), I got to thinking about what was going on in my own state. And to the best of my knowledge, I have heard no loud protest.

    (1) When did we allow the state to fingerprint us to obtain drivers licenses?
    (2) Why have patrol cars been changed from vehicles easily distinguishable and seen to unmarked? I thought the purpose of police and highway patrol was to protect and to serve? How do you do that in secret?
    (3) When did we citizens give our mayoral candidates permission to preprint absentee ballots not requested and mail them to us with all of our personal information already included?
    (4) Why do we need cameras at every intersection and who granted those permissions, of which each of us pay?

  256. @ poolman that’s twice in one thread we’ve agreed on something. Not for nothing folks but that may very well be a sign of the Apocalypse.

    Either Mr. Poolman is getting more reasonable or I am mellowing in my criticism of him.

    Because Alfie, Poolman and I have been agreeing too. 😆

    Apocalypse Now indeed…

  257. “Are you trying to say that you are white, with a swinging dick?”

    Indeed I am.

    I’ve suffered from them my whole life. My condition is severe. . . in both respects. 😆

  258. “Not for nothing folks but that may very well be a sign of the Apocalypse.”

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    I won’t be placing a wager on the trifecta.

  259. I hate dancing. Like my father in law says (a huge Dem) “dancing is for niggers and queers”.

    My brothers and I all crack up how our Dad will claim he payed for our college in front of his buddies.

    Well, my asshole insane father in law is livid nobody will take him to Canada to buy him Canadain Labatts Beer.

    He walks up to me and says, “I don’t want to be an asshole, but you know how I put you threw school? All I ask for is for you to take me to Canada for a case of beer” .

    Now I have two guys claiming they put me through college. And I just let them keep thinking that. At least my Dad did pay for my books one semester.

  260. Happy B-day, R!

    I celebrated one recently myself. I’ve grown to like putting everyone out with Father’s Day hot on its heels. Having to make them pretend I’m worth a shit in rapid succession like that keeps ’em all off balance. 😉

  261. I’ve suffered from them my whole life. My condition is severe. . . in both respects.

    The broken clock may be right twice a day, but many operating with normal parameters “swing” accurately with very small pendulums. 😉

  262. lol… cuing apocalypse in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

    I don’t watch much tv anymore, but had it on to catch the daily show the other night and saw this gem from Lewis Black.

    The younger generation is growing accustomed to having no privacy. There are cameras everywhere. I always smile and wave at them. My wife flips them off. All around this valley are fake saguaro cacti that contain surveillance equipment. The official story is they are cell phone towers. Some obviously are, but many are definitely not based on their placement. I guess the tourists don’t recognize them, but they stand out like a sore thumb to me. Most cacti don’t require an electric meter nearby, from my experience.

  263. After reading this:

    “As an example of how things are going for Obama and how the Dem elite are greasing their holes for Hillary[.]”

    I misread this:

    “Huck you got your sheepskin in time to write about the end times of America and the M.E.”

    And was reminded of this:

    “The Arabs invented the condom in 700 BC, using a goat’s lower intestine.

    In 1873 the British somewhat refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first.”

    I should probably stay out of the sun for a while.

  264. From Tex:
    (1) When did we allow the state to fingerprint us to obtain drivers licenses?
    In my state that only happens if you’re looking to get your Haz Mat certification and then its due to the feds. Is fingerprinting standard in OK? I’ll offer this though. It is mostly Red States who are doing the DNA sampling of people who get arrested. The key here is arrested,they bang you for something and then file away your DNA???WTF???!!!
    (2) Why have patrol cars been changed from vehicles easily distinguishable and seen to unmarked? I thought the purpose of police and highway patrol was to protect and to serve? How do you do that in secret?
    taking off the lightbars was a standard practice to alter the profile so they actually caught people,I imagine the unmarked car is an extension of that. In my parts they kind of lay off solo pullovers with unmarked cars and when they do it tends to be the State Police CDL teams. I personally don’t think unmarked cars should be used for traffic stops. I will up your rant though. I really get pissed off by the small towns in my area painting their cars in tactical tones. FUCK THAT!
    (3) When did we citizens give our mayoral candidates permission to preprint absentee ballots not requested and mail them to us with all of our personal information already included?
    I have not heard of that practice. Wow voter fraud anyone?
    (4) Why do we need cameras at every intersection and who granted those permissions, of which each of us pay?
    This is the only one I don’t have a problem with. I don’t support ticket cameras but support and surveillance is tolerable in my world as long as there is an accountability standard and the boundaries are clear. In direct answer to your question though it gets the go under the umbrella of public domain law which hails back to film cameras.

  265. “The broken clock may be right twice a day, but many operating with normal parameters “swing” accurately with very small pendulums.”

    I hadn’t considered that.

    I just convert to a sundial.

  266. I hate dancing. Like my father in law says (a huge Dem) “dancing is for niggers and queers”.

    😆 😆 And girls – girls love to dance. I watched my three dance together and wahoo!, can my daughters and wife shake that booty. Line dancing for hours at a time. I’m in charge of getting water. Even when holding a new baby, all these women are line dancing. Poor kid will probably have shaken baby syndrome after all those women last night passed it around.

    But you would have to see Mr. and Mrs. Taylor “dance.” I think it is supposed to be a nice slow, rhythmic, romantic dance indicating your undying love and affection. Ours is more like two mountain goats squaring off on a cliff with her complaining I’m not keeping rhythm to the music.

    “What music?”

    You’ve seen those Arabs when their kissing cheeks? Well, we aren’t kissing – but it looks the same with the head movements. We’re whispering in each others ear from one side to the next.

    “You’ve got salad in your teeth.” “Our daughter’s dress is too short.” “You’ve got beer breath and if I had legs like that, I’d be wearing that dress too so put a sock in it.” “Did you remember to feed Mickey or was I supposed to do that?” “Gas up the car before we get home tomorrow.” “How much did that dress cost? That’s new isn’t it?”

    😈

    I guess that’s when you know you’ve got a life partner. I wouldn’t trade the old woman for all the Tea in China either.

  267. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    It’s right more often if circling the globe, virtually or otherwise. Hell, a clock is a construct of man anyway, and therefore imperfect, requiring periodic adjustment. Who decided the breakdown anyway? Shouldn’t it be on the metric system by now?

    Now a sundial, on the other hand, different story. Though no moving parts, a little more difficult to transport, and doesn’t do daylight savings very well. But then I don’t do daylight savings anyhow. The advantage of that concept still eludes me. Of course, time is an interesting concept in and of itself. It can control our lives and often does.

  268. Thanks everyone.

    Yeah, I have a nice chunk of debt.

    Next in the plan is to try and get into a Ph.D. program and get some papers published. I gave Arabic a shot but I am a slow language learner and didn’t want my GPA to take a hit. I might try again in the future.

  269. “The Arabs invented the condom in 700 BC, using a goat’s lower intestine.

    Guaranteed the first test run was done on a second unfortunate goat. The break through success caused the extinction of this legendary creature of Arabia:

    Thaaaaaaaaaats my Daaaaaaad. Baaaaaaaaah.

  270. Buckethead. 😆 Nice find.

    DR, today, hangin’ at the park with the fam. Tonight: grill, Stone Smoked porter (or three) and a Monte 520. Booyah!

  271. You know I hate to lay a stink bomb on Fathers Day but I don’t know how any self respecting honest white person can cling to the notion of white victimization.

    Now I will agree that playing the victim is not in anybody’s best interest. With that said it just sounds ridiculous when folks in traditionally privileged groups (male, white) complain about how hard they have it BECAUSE they are male or white.

    It’s kinda like my whining about downsizing from 3000 to 1000 square feet when so many are homeless through no fault of their own. It’s ridiculous.

  272. And now a mix of Fathers Day and diversity. At my request my wife is making lamb curry for the first time. It’ll be the first time Indian food has been cooked in the Lawson home.

    With any luck it makes both my mouth and intestines happy.

    Enjoy the day gentlemen. Hopefully all our kids do better than we did!

  273. You know I hate to lay a stink bomb on Fathers Day but I don’t know how any self respecting honest white person can cling to the notion of white victimization.

    I’m a victim. With a persecution complex. 😈

    Happy Father’s Day Rutherford Singh.

  274. “It’s kinda like my whining about downsizing from 3000 to 1000 square feet when so many are homeless through no fault of their own. It’s ridiculous.”

    It’s never ridiculous when someone is barred from an opportunity strictly because their skin color. It goes against everything a true liberal stands for. It also should be insulting for whatever skin tone is getting the special treatment. It’s disgusting.

  275. The problem Rabbit is the assumption that every beneficiary of affirmative action does not live up to the hand-up that he was given.

    I’m sure you can produce stats that say AA consistently produces incompetents. Enjoy your Fathers Day and drop a link tomorrow.

    I may be splitting hairs but I do favor EO over AA. In other words, recruit black applicants but then make the final admissions decision color blind.

    P.S. I know we’ve all done our best as fathers but I think a shoutout to Rabbit is deserved for surviving the special hell he’s going through right now. Fatherhood is most admirable during the tough times.

  276. Why ex-marines have a tough time getting a job:

    Job Interview

    Personnel Manager: “What is your greatest weakness ?”

    Old Marine: “Honesty”

    Personnel Manager: “I don’t think honesty is a weakness !”

    Old Marine: “I don’t give a shit what you think”

    Semper Fi

  277. We’re talking about prefermce R.

    You’re the one talking victim status. The one that seems to have grown up quite privileged compared to the thers here.

    I feel no pity for you because of yourr race. You haven’t struggled because of it no matter how much you want us to presume it, Tupac.

  278. You’re absolutely right Tigre but I am not everybody. I’m a bad example quite frankly cos I look white. But a whole lot of folks assume I’m retarded or otherwise unsound upon seeing me. That’s a disadvantage. I deal with it but clearly the playing field ain’t even

    Are you aware of the study of identical resumes, one with John Smith at the top and the other with LeCroy Turner and that John Smith’s resume got more positive reaction? That sound like an even playing field to you?

    I personally want no favors thank you very much. But our private standards should not always dictate our social standards.

  279. “Are you aware of the study of identical resumes, one with John Smith at the top and the other with LeCroy Turner and that John Smith’s resume got more positive reaction?” -R

    It’s not. but that doesn’t mean you go fuck john smith over. two wrongs don’t make a right.

    I just got 3 grand in the mail a couple months ago because Bank of America robo signed all my shit and lied when I was applying for a modification. In other words, I sued them after foreclosure. (I’m not saying I was a victim in all of this…just stating the facts)

    I also took it upon myself to settle for my deficiency. Most people don’t do that. I talked 79 grand down to two. It took me all summer and I now know more about what goes on in the land of mortgages and Fannie Mae then I ever wanted to.

  280. “And yes Tigre if you or anyone else is complaining about how hard it is to be white in America then you are playing victim.”

    Nobody really is saying that. That’s just you projecting. We are saying its never cool when a better qualified candidate is overlooked because of race. Ever. That’s it. Either you agree with us or you don’t.

  281. Lastly….as I’ve said a million times before….why do blacks have it so bad? Is it institutionalized racism that is holding the black man back, Rutherford? LeCroy’s biggest problem aint the racist manager at Hertz Rental Car. No….odds are LeCroy never had a Daddy. And that, my faux black friend of Caribbean roots, very plainly started with LBJ.

    You were on here with me weeping over those kids at Sandy Hook. You even demanded a blogging moment of silence. 7 Dead, 32 wounded in your new adopted city alone, this weekend. Blacks killing blacks. Aint even a blip on your radar. But nahhh…keep pretending like you are some kind of vanguard of the quality of life of minorities….wouldn’t want to a black teen’s life to throw acid all over a pretty little political paradigm you hold so dear.

  282. Playing victim works nowadays, if you can solicit public attention. It certainly is profitable. Politicians have been parading victims nationally to promote their agendas. It’s pretty commonplace. As Americans, we are victims of the banksters and their multinational cohorts in business. We know it, but like many abused souls we can’t get out of the abusive relationship.

    Otherwise, the rest of the globe consists of genuine victims of our aggression and overreach. Looks like we are now to officially arm rebels in Syria after claims of Assad gassing a hundred folks. Yeah, that was a strategic move by Assad now that he was winning. Stupid people. Smart move on our part. O succumbed to the zionist’s pressure. It seems the mercenary armies are being killed off and our overlords are gonna need them for future planned acts of regime change and aggression. Did you see the FSA dude eating the heart of that Syrian soldier? Yikes! 😯 A real democracy spreader there. I guess we’re officially on the side of evil or in the least are acting as its greatest enabler.

    Was everyone aware the government has a virtual world that mimics the real one and that the military has been running those SIM-type programs for years to help them in war plans? Unchecked power. Lack of oversight and accountability. This thing’s been on autopilot far too long.

  283. “I personally want no favors thank you very much. But our private standards should not always dictate our social standards.”

    Why didn’t you turn down said favors then?

  284. ” I know we’ve all done our best as fathers but I think a shoutout to Rabbit is deserved for surviving the special hell he’s going through right now” -R

    Thanks R. It’s not so bad anymore. They still think this is correctable. I go in tomorrow again. It so tough there, man.

    Couple days ago they wheeled a very annoyed 6 year old in the waiting room. His grandmother was wearing a Support @@@@’s Fight. He was pissed. And he wasn’t buying into anything they were doing to cheer him up.

    I started playing with an action figure with my son. The toy is this massive dude made out of rock boulders. His name is the Thing. Huge fists. Cracking my son up, I was making it beat the shit out of a much cheaper and lighter Spider-Man figure.

    I noticed the cancer riddled boy was watching with a tiny smile. The poor kid enjoyed just watching us. Watching us play in that stupid fashion that little guys love..beating the shit out Spider-Man. Farting in his face with the other obviously superior action figure.

    They came and wheeled the kid of for some treatment he didn’t want. My eyes welled up for the kid for a few seconds. Had to hide my face from my own son. The kid just wants to be a kid but can’t because of cancer. You cheer him up by getting rid of the fucking cancer.

    I came up with a bone marrow drive because I thought my good works would give me some space from the one world that bothers me to no end. Do you know the amazing odds of getting a match that actually translates into a bone marrow transfusion? Well…..I got one. But the Universe, Geometry, Fate (I’m calling it that for your benefit) had different plans. My own son gets a blood disease two months after my big successful bone marrow drive.

    Coincidence? Honestly, I don’t care. The effect on me is all the same.

    Big bad fruad Rabbit acting like he was a solider of Good will from his typical safe distance. So, I get a taste of the real deal. The selling point of my drive was that I once saw a kid with cancer and it bothered me. Now I sit with these kids all the time.

    I’m telling you there is a Holy Spirit out there. I can’t read you scripture from memory. But, I swear to you…..Jesus is in the form of something we can sense.

    I fail if I think about. I fail if I rationalize it. Fail if I rely on faith. Fail if I rely on the bible. Although I plan on improving in all these areas.

    God wants me to keep helping these kids. I become flush with emotion just typing it. Humbled God would ever pick me. A total fucking fraudulent schmuck.

    My actions might have already saved a 21 year old girls’s life. I don’t feel ashamed that its like trophy to me. Those are the spoils of war and I’m motherfucking Achilles.

    I have a new plan that I think will save thousands of people. And….it involves your nemesis….corporate America. .

  285. “But a whole lot of folks assume I’m retarded or otherwise unsound upon seeing me. That’s a disadvantage. I deal with it but clearly the playing field ain’t even.”

    First, that has nothing to do with race.

    Second, you had economic advantages and I’m supposed to owe you something? Blow me.

    Third, you sure the retarded part didn’t come from something other than your appearance? 😆

    Let me know when you’ve done something for those you are referring to. You don’t deserve racial preferences yet I’ll wager you received them. As DR asked, why didn’t you turn them down?

  286. “Did you see the FSA dude eating the heart of that Syrian soldier? Yikes! 😯 A real democracy spreader there. I guess we’re officially on the side of evil or in the least are acting as its greatest enabler.”

    So I wonder if we will put ourselves on our own list of state sponsors of terrorists….

    It would serve us right if the new Iranian president put out a statement that said Iran refuses to talk to us because we sponsor terrorists, and that the US, France, and Britain constitute and Axis of Evil.

  287. First, that has nothing to do with race.

    How profoundly thick you are. I SAID THAT BOZO! What did I say? I look white so race is not an area where I typically face any discriminatory assumptions. Are you so eager to argue that you don’t READ?

    YOU don’t owe ME anything. Again … read what I said. My personal choices have nothing to do with judging others choices. Different folks are in different circumstances.

    I seriously doubt I have received racial preferences. Again, you probably look blacker than I do.

    ———–

    Let me take another stab at this. YOU don’t owe ANYBODY anything on a personal level. But society is supposed to buttress the weakest among us. If I’m not mistaken that’s a Christian value. Neither you nor I are among the weakest but we should be proud to live in a society that protects those less fortunate than ourselves.

    What about that is so hard to understand?

    Third, you sure the retarded part didn’t come from something other than your appearance?

    I saw that joke coming from a mile away. Glad you enjoyed it. 🙂

  288. Why didn’t you turn down said favors then?

    Rabbit, I can think of only one clear instance in which my disability played a role in my getting advantage. I wrote a college admissions essay on the challenges of being a disabled kid. Now … I truly believe if the essay sucked it would not have helped me get admitted. The essay didn’t suck. My grades didn’t suck either. My SAT scores were solid. With all that said, the odds of my getting into Harvard were about the same as any other ordinary kid from Glen Cove Long Island from a middle class family. It was like hitting lotto. Truly the luckiest thing that ever happened to me. Luck supported by solid qualifications and a life story that some colleges found interesting.

    The flip side of some folks thinking I’m retarded is that others have such low expectations that when I can string three words together in a sentence, they think I’m a genius. I can’t control that other than to just be honest about who I am.

    The bottom line is I have received precious few “favors” in life. In fact, to my surprise, qualifications that I earned (as documented on my resume) did nothing to get me a job for six years.

    P.S. Shortly before I landed this call receiver job, my wife at the end of her rope, finally said “why don’t you just apply for disability?” She didn’t mean it, she was just fed up with no money coming in. She also knew I wouldn’t do it. If you go on disability, you’re saying you are unable to work. I AM able to work and until I truly can’t I won’t be taking gov’t money. So I think I’m the wrong person for you to be asking “why don’t you turn down favors”?

  289. Regarding 380, in that regard Rabbit you’re truly a better man than I. I’m a lazy f*ck who can barely get through a day much less help folks who need bone marrow transplants.

    Kudos to you. Seriously.

  290. Thanks to my just pulling one of Tex’s comments out of the spam folder, all the comment numbers after his comment have increased by one. Hence Rabbit, in comment 386 I was referring to comment 381, not 380. 😡

  291. We are saying its never cool when a better qualified candidate is overlooked because of race. Ever. That’s it. Either you agree with us or you don’t.

    If that is all you are saying, then yes, I agree with you.

  292. G8’s happening. Ain’t it great? It’s just after 8am. The movers and shakers go public, or at least their faces do. Expecting upwards of 2000 protesters there in northern Ireland, and 8000 police officers. That’s some good odds in favor of the ptb. That’s what we get from the official account anyway. I’m guessing at least a ten percent infiltration rate among the protesters, maybe some anarchist types. Probably some drone and satelite assist.

    G 8. Sounds kind of tame. All the players making their plans for us.

  293. So let me get this straight, Rutherford. Nothing came out of the White House that would directed the IRS auditing of Mitt Romney donors or Conservative PACs, right? Is that what I am to understand from your Tweet? If I misunderstood, then you can ignore the rest of this. If not, then you should bow your head in shame.

    Nothing like those same individuals being listed on the ‘Reelect Barack Obama website’ as large dollar Mitt Romney supporters just who by happenstance also found themselves being audited for the first time during last year’s run up to the election?

    You know, that is a fantastic bit of coincidence. Extrapolate that out by the number of people and organizations that found themselves in that position, and it becomes worthy of winning the Powerball.

    There are times I admire your honesty, like your dealings with your house where you could have walked like most did, or you refusing to take disability like millions of undeserving Americans do (I doubt with all the stringent OSHA requirements, suddenly Americans became 300% more disabled the last 20 years).

    And there are other times, especially with respect to politics, I find you so woefully dishonest, that I wouldn’t trust you to read my electric meter; from this supposed voter suppression to your refusal to see very clearly how all of these “scandals” have a very obvious common link – keeping everything hushed until Barack Obama in office and punishing his enemies.

    And I get the distinct impression what you would like the public to believe that Barack Obama learns about all this like we do – from the newspaper.

    Do you have any idea how incompetent and dishonest that reads?

    The bottom line is Rutherford, that when you allow these things to happen, you are part of what ails this country. You are not only enabling tyranny but playing your own small role in facilitating it.

  294. “What about that is so hard to understand?”

    Holy fuck you can be dense. I read what you wrote. It’s the fact that you bring up your handicap at all. Identifying other limitations doesn’t change nor does it address your charge that anyone here claimed white victim status when they did not. And shifting the discussion to your physical handicaps only reinforces our point, you chowder head.

    If preference helps society, not just you, why aren’t you telling us what you’ve done to give back to society with something other than the mere act of gracing us with your presence?

    Look R, you can’t meaningfully engage in this discussion and just disregard the fact that racial preference by necessity means taking away from someone else regardless of what they have overcome or done to earn entry/advancement. i.e. the real reason you changed the subject.

    A just society provides equal opportunities, not preference. You either acknowledge that or you don’t. Pointing to other actual or perceived disadvantages is just worthless sophistry.

  295. R, Happy Birthday.

    All, Happy Father’s Day.

    Huck, congrat! I start my second Master’s degree in August. Pretty excited to get back into school and I plan on transitioning straight into a Ph. D. program once I complete it.

  296. “Ok I owe Bob Schieffer an apology. He DID challenge Mike Rogers’ BS implication that the IRS profiling came out of the WH. Bravo Bob!” -R

    Well…then…there we have it. A blog entry by Rutherford explaining why Mike Rogers is wrong and how, the IRS as a whole, was simply made to look bad by a few saboteurs in Cincinnati.

    Those jerks…..go get ‘um Rutherford.

  297. R, I read somewhere that historians have never located a document that directly links Hitler to the holocaust. Not one. Why do you reckon that is, and why might it be that there might not be one for Obama and yet the whole IRS scheme and other scandals have his imprimatur?

  298. I learned the answer in college We staged a panty-raid which involved the police. The lone man who was caught was supended for a semester. We were questioned several times but we all had pluasable alibies, and no one broke Never put incriminating information in writing. Use the cone of silence.

  299. “i.e. the real reason you changed the subject”

    Tigre I finally figured out why you are such a drag to argue with. You don’t limit the argument to the facts or premises. You go the next step and assign motive. Why can’t you accept an argument at face value without assigning motive or implying your opponent has some sly reason for stating an argument a particular way?

  300. Much to my chagrin I am discovering I am among the least educated on this board.

    Sadly, it won’t change. The thought of going back to school sends shivers down my spine.

    Hell, I get anxiety attacks just from the MOOC’s I take at Coursera. BTW I’m starting a new one in July that is pure fluff and should be fun: “The History of Rock, Part 2”.

  301. “why might it be that there might not be one for Obama and yet the whole IRS scheme and other scandals have his imprimatur?”

    How do we define his imprimatur? Fox and Drudge say he is a corrupt Chicago pol dead set on turning America into a godless Marxist state. So yes by that definition every scandal has his imprimatur. MSNBC says he is an inspirational leader thwarted by an obstructionist legislative branch. I say the truth is somewhere in between.

    At the very least Tigre, folks can do some pretty nasty shit thinking they are helping you. If you don’t condemn it we can assume you approve. Obama has clearly stated that IRS targeting folks should not be tolerated. You say he’s a liar. I very simply do not find the man malicious.

    More to the point Mike Rogers made an unsubstantiated implication and Schieffer properly called him on it. Rogers’ reply made it clear he was blowing smoke.

  302. R, do you see any irony in your 396?

    I hate arguing with you because you underrate and fail to consider the substance of anything I say. I argue for a living. Dissembling and avoidance of a painfully obvious point does in fact suggest something about the declarant’s motives, R.

    Simply put, I have no problem assigning a motive when you make an accusation (white victimhood) and when I say the real topic is “racial preference” the subject changes. It pains me to say it, but your too intelligent for it to be an accident, R.

    Along with others here, I am just looking for an honest exchange but gave up holding my breath long ago when I realized you couldn’t remember what I said, who I am, what my position is or what I actually wrote on any given subject.

    In fact, you so frequently accuse me of trying to “fool you” somehow, especially when it comes to legal matters (and more recently something about guns that you wrongly attributed to me, like your repeated statements about “big business” because you never did pay attention even after being corrected in a private email), I’ve pretty well given up on you. It’s just stubborn avoidance.

    If you want to argue the facts and the premise, stick to them. Your statements about your handicap has nothing to with your accusation about “white victimhood,” and you know it. You’re just grabbing at some form of other perceived inequalities that no one disagrees exist rather than making an honest assessment of what is being said.

    I attached a link to an article. Even Thor thought it was worthy of consideration. You? I am completely confident you read it with the same vigor as others I have posted; not at all.

  303. R@398, and this is where we depart. Obama’s condemnation of the right, that includes me and about 1/2 of the country, and claims that we “are the enemy” says a lot. You’re willingness to tolerate parsing and being downright lied to over and over is also telling.

    Without having read it, I will probably find the “implication” substantiated. Obama is all about winning an election and nothing about leadership or limitations on the exercise of government power for its own objectives.

    Hint: the answer to question at 394 is because neither of them need to give the direct order. They both wanted, knew and expected the outcome and there underling were bound to accomplish them.

  304. “the cone of silence.” lol. Love it! I think it a little more difficult to do things without discovery nowadays, cone of silence or not. These pols are tripping all over themselves trying to downplay their crimes against the Constitution and the people under their rule. Just listen to Obama versus Biden:

  305. I submit Tigre that your standards of proof of guilt regarding Obama wouldn’t hold up in a court of law.

    BTW don’t take insult at my not reading your links. After finally obtaining full time employment after six years I am truly stunned at how much you boys are able to contribute to the blog. I’m not even keeping up with comments much less reading supporting links. Now Tex and James are basically retired. I think it’s fair to say PF is semi-retired. As for the rest of you, I don’t know how you do it.

    And FWIW I do appreciate it.

  306. Much to my chagrin I am discovering I am among the least educated on this board.

    I lacked 16 credit hours to obtain my degree. A degree that would do nothing for me today except give me something else to add to any application calling for it. That is really the only time it comes into play for me. Some of the densest people I have had to deal with over the years are those with multiple consonants that follow their names. Not all, but a great deal of them. I suppose it gives one a ‘degree’ of self-importance.

    With most institutions of higher learning having been co-opted by industry, sometimes learning becomes more a case of indoctrination. We probably have the most educated people ever in our government today and look how big a mess it has become. I find those with the most school behind them often the hardest to introduce new concepts. I think common sense is often left outside the halls of institution and government. I know street people with a firmer grasp on reality than many of the executives I’ve met.

    Don’t ever let a plaque on the wall speak for you or serve to determine your worth. In many cases, that very plaque is the only benefit derived from years of investment. I have a lot of respect for those in the trenches. Those that have taken what they have and put it to use on a daily basis. If we’re so smart and getting smarter, why is the world in such a chaotic state? Nature had everything in balance before we started ‘fixing’ it. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”;

  307. Happy belated B day Tigre (see I told you I was behind on comments).

    Next year Fathers Day and my birthday coincide. I’m not sure i like that. In keeping with your theme I kinda like milking the forced love out of two separate days. 🙂

  308. On dancing … I used to love “dancing”. I’ve got a good sense of rhythm (no comments from the peanut gallery) and I had no problem waving my skinny arms around and shuffling my feet despite being at the end of legs locked in braces (that’s why I put dancing in quotes-might not qualify by y’all standards).

    The only reason I don’t do it now is my lungs went to hell. I really felt the loss a couple of weeks ago at my daughters gymnastics banquet. I soooo wanted to get out on the floor and boogie with my wife all the while mortifying my kid. 🙂

  309. Regarding Katz “From Scandals to Tyranny” doesn’t it strike anyone as odd that the surveillance state has everyone upset now? This stuff originated in reaction to 9/11. We were so scared we would have agreed to tanks in the street.

    Now with the terror of 9/11 a fading memory suddenly the surveillance state has panties in a knot.

    The real lesson of 9/11 is, whether we’re talking surveillance or the Iraq war, that our reaction must be proportional to the threat. Bin Laden may be dead but he got what he wanted: a broke America that has given up her freedoms.

  310. Ok pardon my clear bigotry but I find the new turban wearing President of Iran way more threatening looking than Mahmoud in secular garb and the face of a standup comedian.

  311. Dude….even the liberal media has accepted the fact Obama has been outed as a liar. The guy has been busted lying for the sake of political expediency. The question isn’t why Tigre is suspicious it’s why Rutherford is not. Pathetic.

    Seriously man, why do insist on ruining your credibility. Outside of your family, you don’t have anything else. You can’t dance, aren’t particularly knowledgable about anything. I’m not being a dick here. I don’t understand why you insist on committing integrity suicide when you feel compelled to the tell the world what you think about politics. Why bother? The stakes are so high because Obama damages the brand and I’m not talking about your phony ass Democratic Party, I’m talking democracy itself.

    Pay backs are going to a bitch.

  312. “As for the rest of you, I don’t know how you do it.”

    I use(ed) the comments as a distraction from reading and writing about really dry and boring shit. It is me who should be thanking you!

    Good luck on the studies, G!

    “Much to my chagrin I am discovering I am among the least educated on this board.”

    I agree with PM in that it doesn’t make one any more intelligent. It just offers (in some cases) a different knowledge base. I stress “different,” and not necessarily “better.”

    “Bin Laden may be dead but he got what he wanted: a broke America that has given up her freedoms.”

    That isn’t what he wanted. He wanted to drag the US into Middle East wars in order to turn the people there against their own governments for allowing/encouraging the US presence. Then when that government toppled, it could be replaced by Islamists who would eventually restore the caliphate.

    Any of that sound familiar? Bush did his part and Obama is getting ready to. Al Qaeda has played us like a fiddle.

  313. You guys think I’m all in for the pro-Obama agenda but this is the kind of crap that really wears thin — in my email this morning:

    Karl Rove must think that he can steal John Kerry’s Senate seat at the last second:

    With EIGHT DAYS until the election and a terrifying GOP poll showing the race neck-and-neck — Markey (D) 45, Gomez (R) 44 — a Rove-linked Tea Party Super PAC has made a game-changing $700,000 ad buy in Massachusetts.

    We can’t let Rove do this to President Obama. If we lose seats like this one, Mitch McConnell will be one huge step closer to completely obstructing every sensible gun law, repealing Obamacare, and ruining Medicare.

    It will take $150,000 in the next 24 hours to protect the President’s agenda and stop Karl Rove from stealing this seat and others like it. The President needs you — can you help?

    Unfortunately this is what some of YOU sound like when talking about Obama, i.e. how he stole the election.

    It’s rhetoric like this that prevents any progress. Our government has gone from adversarial to openly hostile. It doesn’t bode well for the future and there is plenty of blame to go around.

  314. I’ve become less articulate since college. Its also really hard to stay focused enough to read an entire book. I read some of my college papers and was taken back. Who is that smart guy who can actually express himself? Seemed like a different person.

  315. “Unfortunately this is what some of YOU sound like when talking about Obama, i.e. how he stole the election.”

    I am not going to speak for anyone else, but my contention is not that Obama stole the election, but that he and his proxies influenced it by using illegal and/or morally questionable activities.

    If you want to count that as stealing, then that is your word not mine.

  316. “You can’t dance” … I found that funny for some reason.

    Well I suppose you’re right Rabbit that I don’t have much beyond my good name so why sully it. But all I can tell you is that, while fully realizing the clusterf*ck that has become this administration, I also find so much of the rhetoric on this board histrionic.

    January 20, 2017 will arrive and we will find we still have a capitalistic democracy full of mostly apolitical hard working people with opinionated assholes at either end of the political spectrum. Same old same old.

    And all of you can sing “nananana hey hey hey goodbye” as Barack takes his last trip on the POTUS helicopter.

    That is not to say the things debated here are not worth debating. It just gets a bit silly when the word tyranny gets loosely thrown around.

  317. “Congrats Huck. Can you tell us your thesis with out “exposing” yourself?”

    I will have to be vague, but I analyzed translated documents from a particular regional group that showed how they altered their style of rhetoric to change (arguable) from a resistance movement to a political party.

  318. “I read some of my college papers and was taken back. Who is that smart guy who can actually express himself?” – DR

    Three things. First of all. I hope things are improving for your son.

    Second of all, I challenge anyone here to say you can’t express yourself.

    Thirdly, reading your old college papers? Wow. Summers in Detroit must be a real drag. Or perhaps that’s just some heavy duty diaper changing avoidance. “Rabbit dear, Little Rabbit smells like pea soup. Can you change him?”

    “Oh snap! Can you get this one, Hon. I’m right in the middle of uhh, uhhh. [reaches for something, anything.] uhh … reading one of my old college papers.” 😆

  319. R – It doesn’t necessarily require a tyrant in the classical mold to have a tyranny. The Atlantic article to which I keep referring really nailed it, IMHO. We have given the men and women who operate the levers of government tools that any tyrant would drool over, and then hope we elect angels who won’t use them. Not-doing-so-good-so-far………

    I would say he has the best of intentions. I don’t think Obama is in his basic makeup a bad man; on the contrary, he’s – I would have to say – basically a GOOD man. He just doesn’t understand what it is that made this country the Best That Ever Was.

    But when he took office he swore an oath, to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” It seems to me that he thinks his “bigger issues” trump that. And that, my friend, is where the Devil lies in wait for ignorant men like Barack Hussein Obama.

  320. “showed how they altered their style of rhetoric to change (arguable) from a resistance movement to a political party.”

    The “change” being for outward appearances only (propoganda) or to actually attempt to change the culture of the organization?

  321. “The “change” being for outward appearances only (propoganda) or to actually attempt to change the culture of the organization?”

    The practical answer is…it’s complicated and depends on who you ask, even within the organization. Organizations, like governments, are not always cohesive groups.

    But my research didn’t get in to the types of specifics you are asking about. I set up a framework that only dealt with the rhetorical analysis and then I based my questions and findings on that specific framework. The recognition that their actions might not match their words was but a footnote because it was not important to what I was looking at.

    I was told to save something for my dissertation…lol.

  322. “Thirdly, reading your old college papers? Wow. Summers in Detroit must be a real drag”. -Thor

    lol….well played. Narcistists like me like digging up old A papers and reliving the awesomeness. You should see how much I watch my homerun videos. Pretty gross.

    I was in today. They said there is no way its any kind of cancer. 10 percent chance his ITP will be a life long condition. Which would be pretty shitty. My psoriasis is what makes them a little more nervous about that. His platelets came down some more but still high for the disease…97. They said its normal for them to fluctuate and that he might crash all the way down again.

    My boy does not cry one bit when its blood work time. Not a bit. I can’t even count how many viles he’s given in the last month.

    Oh man was it it rough in there, though. Is there anything worse then looking at a 3 year old cancer patient?

  323. In a recent blog post Alfie mourns the fact that Fast and Furious has faded from view with Obama “off the hooks” as I think Alfie put it.This is not the fault of the media. If I’m not mistaken an independent investigation exonerated Holder of any wrong doing on F&F. Indeed, if Darrell Issa no longer cares about it, why should any of you (or the media).

    Also IMHO, regarding the IRS … targeting Romney donors is far more egregious than targeting Tea Party groups who were masquerading as something they were not. Which now begs the question where is the PROOF that Romney donors were targeted? By proof, I don’t mean Drudge and Glenn Beck. How did congressional investigations of this alleged targeting get resolved?

  324. 90% odds in your favor sound pretty good to me Rabbit.

    As for the other kids you are encountering, I wonder if children deal with their impending death better than adults in the same situation do? The notion of a terminally ill child is damn near unfathomable.

  325. “If I’m not mistaken an independent investigation exonerated Holder of any wrong doing on F&F.”

    If I’m not mistaken, it was a DOJ investigation.

    “if Darrell Issa no longer cares about it”

    He does care. But there isn’t much he can do once Holder ran to his butt buddy Obama and had him enact executive privilege over documents Issa wanted to see. He cares enough that he found Holder in contempt of congress.

    Your failed memory over what happened proves Alfie’s point better than even he could have.

  326. “Tea Party groups who were masquerading as something they were not.”

    This is a bullshit charge, Rutherford. Had they been doing so, their applications would have been denied.

    However, I am a fair man. I would be willing to go with your position on this if you were to admit in front of us all that Obama for America is also masquerading as something it isn’t and should have also been flagged for enhanced IRS scrutiny.

  327. “Is there anything worse then looking at a 3 year old cancer patient?” DR

    Nothing, but I imagine seeing their parents and siblings is a close second.

    Rabbit, you are a big guy, you like tattoos and gold and stuff. I imagine you probably have shaved your head before, or at least thought about it. Perhaps this is the summer to do it. 🙂

    It sounds like when you were playing with the kids you got down on the floor. Kids love it when you sit where they can see you eye to eye, not towering over them. A simple thing but so many people miss it. I think parenting and teaching come naturally to you.

    As for answers as to why bad things happen to innocent young kids, we probably will never know. Some people look at the world and see it as proof there is no God. Others look at the world and see it as proof there must be a God. Same world, different eyes.

  328. “Rabbit, you are a big guy, you like tattoos and gold and stuff”

    Lol…….you don’t think I wear gold or any other jewelry outside my cheap ass wedding ring, do you. I can’t even get a way with a watch.

    I shave my head every summer. I haven’t done it yet this year because I fear the psorisis infected landscape will gross my wife out.

    I get embarrassed over my corny tattoos…even though I keep getting them. My buddy wants to open a shop so I let him practice on me. It really does have a therapeutic effect on me. I almost wish they weren’t permanent. Getting them is the only cool part. I don’t even know how many I have.

    Nothing worse then some tattoo douche bag wanting to compare our “body art”. It’s disgustingly self involved.

  329. My oldest daughter and my grand kids thought they had psoriasis for over a year. Turned out it was bedbugs. Did not bite her husband at all. A little food quality DE and a couple weeks and now they are all cleared up and healed. My wife has the real thing. When it flares we pray over it and sometimes it goes away immediately, other times it takes hours. Right now you can’t even tell she ever had it. Nasty stuff.

    I chalk it up to the impurities in our world, plastics and such, since it is one’s own immune system attacking one’s flesh.

  330. It seems the NSA was collecting data prior to 9/11. 7 months before the event, Joseph Nacchio, the CEO of Qwest Communications at the time, refused to give the NSA its customer data they were requesting.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Joseph P. Nacchio was the only head of a communications company to demand a court order, or approval under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, in order to turn over communications records to the NSA.[8]

    According to a Washington Post report, Nacchio claimed that the National Security Agency had asked Qwest in February 2001 to participate in a surveillance program; Nacchio said that after he declined, the NSA punished Qwest by dropping a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars.[9]”

    Since this was all done prior to the Patriot Act’s passage, supposedly a reaction [though written years in advance] to the attack on the WTC, this puzzle piece adds to the emerging pattern of the destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    It often takes looking backward for one to see the big picture.

  331. They also threw the guy in prison after that. See my #69 above.

    Some things Rutherford should consider before he faults big business for being in the spy bed with big brother.

  332. re 434, yeah, that’s the one. It is apparently a lesson to those that do not kowtow to the strong arm of government. We know all the other communications companies DID comply. US government strong-arming is nothing new, look toward the IRS, which isn’t even an official branch, much like the fed. Of course, there is also the extreme retaliation as in JFK, RFK, MLK, and apparently according to some reports, the reason O is so fascist compliant.

  333. OK…this going to be a little too much. Mr. Bone Marrow Hero just pulled 4 people from the cresting Huron river. If poolman, the want a be prophet isn’t enough to take around here…now you have to deal with a want a be super hero convinced God has put him on Earth to save people.

    Keyboard cowboy stuff I know.

    But two hours ago I was fishing with my little man, nervously watching 3 girls, ages 6 or 7 to around 11. As they swam out of the widened pond area into the main part of the river, they started complaining the current was taking them. Their baby sitter, a woman in her 30’s, nonchalantly went out to get the kids, at first convinced they were just playing. The upshot was the baby sitter was holding on to a tree, the branches breaking, two of the three kids looked to be in no danger other then not being able to swim back to where their original spot was (and panicking). The youngest was trying to swim against the current as well. Her moron baby sitter was telling her to do so. She was gulping water and going down by the time I got to her. I ended up getting all 4 out. My wallet and shoes soaked. The worst part is I had to leave my 3 year old unattended and swim around the bend of the river. The only reason I was successful was that the water came up to my chin and I could walk. At one point it was pretty damn hard. The current was deceivingly powerful.

    I told my son not to move at all and not go into the river no matter what. I was petrified he would jump in if he saw the river take me away.

    Drama ! Non stop drama! Non stop anxiety!

    So….I get my kid home after his first day of fishing. Made sure he caught his first fish (little bluegill) and saved 4 motherfuckers from the river and he’s pissed because we didn’t catch dinner.

  334. Damn DR, you just find yourself in the right place at the right time don’t you? Apparently you have trained that son of yours well!!

  335. Dead Rabbit, you changed the time line. If those children had died, their children would not have been born, and so on. A toast to you.

  336. Thanks guys. The whole thing is kind of sinking in right now. I NEVER go to that point on the river. Ever. Horrible place to fish. The only reason I went is that I remembered there was a picnic table there. If my boy didn’t already catch a fish I know I wouldn’t have gone there. So, a 3 inch bluegill saved the kid’s life!!!

    Of course, that was the one place I took my boy’s life vest off too!

  337. That’s awesome, rabbit! I hope you’re keeping a journal of dead rabbit feats. Too bad you didn’t snag a big ass trout with your teeth on your way out. Kids are hard to impress with all the other super hero competition nowadays.

  338. re 442, CNN is such a joke. They and this administration make for perfect bedfellows. I guess we are getting what we deserve these days. It hasn’t overtaken us without plenty of warning.

  339. “Too bad you didn’t snag a big ass trout with your teeth on your way out.” -Poolman

    Just wait…that will be next week’s boast.

  340. “Dead Rabbit, you changed the time line. If those children had died, their children would not have been born, and so on. A toast to you.”

    On the other hand you may have saved a future serial killer or the next Hitler. Even worse you may have saved the next Obama. How can you sleep at night?

    🙂

  341. This reminds me of a film short I saw once where a German man was wrestling with consenting that his wife go through with an at risk pregnancy. At the end of the film the doctor says “Mr. Hitler, good news you have a son.” And the new father replies “I’ll name him Adolf.”

    That’s fucked up.

  342. yeah…..there are probably millions of little turning points in our life that are unknown to us.

    I always think what would have happened if the Navy didn’t find me sleeping in my car.

  343. “Oh man was it it rough in there, though. Is there anything worse then looking at a 3 year old cancer patient?”

    Boy do I remember my first pediatric cancer patient when I rotated through peds as a med student. It’s been thirty-five years now, so I guess I can give his name: Robbie Nindle. Acute myelogenous leukemia. Not fun now, but back then, horrible. And then there was Naomi. And Helen. And the kid with herpes encephalitis. His father was deeply religious and this kid just spouted profanity after profanity as the virus ate up his temporal lobe. He died, too. We could never make the dad understand that it was the disease, not the Devil. Harry H. Fourteen years old. Huge brain aneurysm. Died. Jeezus…I still remember their names; their faces I will take to my grave. Horrible, just horrible.

    Still traumatic. I have absolutely no idea how any doc goes into peds oncology, but huge HT to them.

  344. R has a point, DR. Based on how things went in the last election, there’s a better than even chance that you just saved another group of brainless Obamabots for your kids to support.

    Thanks a whole fucking lot. . . hero. 😆

  345. I helped save a life in the service. it was close, but we did it. I have often thought of a man who probably raised children and lived a good life.

    Maybe Rutherford is right. Maybe we saved a terrorist. One never knows.

    One of the hardest was a teenaged girl who came into our hospital half deririous. I knew her, and I stood by her gurney. She told me she had partied with friends and had a terrible head ache. She was scared and certain she would die. I told her she would be fine, but she died two hours later. Then, we discussed whether or not to quarantine the hospital and us, because the girl had spinal memingitis.

  346. Our at risk grand daughter seems to be thriving. Her head grew 4 centimeters from Thursday to Monday and while her weight loss was a concern, she is now where she should be.Her head was off the charts.Now, it is at the 20th percentile.

    She is definately alert and her eyes show someone is inside.

    Doctors still want to do an MRI scan and genetic tests.

    Being a doctor would be emotionally hard, especially with babies.

  347. “R has a point, DR. Based on how things went in the last election, there’s a better than even chance that you just saved another group of brainless Obamabots for your kids to support”

    ha ha….swimming against a current and then screaming for help once you start drowning pretty much does sum up liberalism…

  348. “I have absolutely no idea how any doc goes into peds oncology”-Pf

    I know. I thank for their service all the time. Amazing people.

  349. Adam Smith’s skeleton is defying science and vomiting as the world waits with baited breath for what synthetic Ben is going to say about synthetic money to keep a synthetic zombie alive just long enough until baby boomers get to die flush and the socialist ponzi schemes keep the unproductive class on opiates. Ahhh… Capitalism. Price dictated by supply and demand…I mean a lie and command.

  350. THis is going to be great….

    “It’s a pattern repeated elsewhere in the country. During a 10-day journey through rebel-held territory in Syria, Reuters journalists found that radical Islamist units are sidelining more moderate groups that do not share the Islamists’ goal of establishing a supreme religious leadership in the country.”

  351. “Cheer up deficit hawks, if Boehner has the guts to bring a bill to the floor, some help could be on the way.”

    That is severely debatable and I don’t think most “deficit hawks” would trust the CBO any farther than we could throw it.

    The CBO works with the numbers that are provided to it, which aren’t always practical estimates, but rather agenda-driven figures. This often results in GIGO…garbage in, garbage out.

  352. ““If men get paid more for the same work as women, why would any capitalist hire a man?”

    Ever work in a department filled with women? Chaos. It’s like throwing a dog in a chicken house and closing the door.

    I’d pay double salary to have half of them go home.

  353. BizPac Review “Obama offends Catholics in UK, says religious schools are divisive.” Obama told a crowd of 2000 that Catholic schools divide people and block peace.

    The Irish and Scotts are angry. “Obama wants everyone to become a muzzie, no education, dumbed down with the intelligence of a rock. Jump to the jungle beat God is he aPos or what?”

    “Leftist Socialism is the new religion and they don’t want to live peacefully with others.”

    Does anyone remember when I told Rutherford with documentation that Obama had joined or affiliated with a socialist party when he ran for Congress? Some of those Irish know more about our country than we do.

    My brother was second in authority in a university chemistry lab. A woman was appointed to run the place. Over the course of a year or so, she forced the men out. My brother became the last man standing when he found a new job before she could fire him.

    My wife also said she would rather work for a man than a woman.

  354. Yeah… That’s a bummer. I think the guy just had a baby too. He always did look like a walking heart attack.

  355. Man…Rutherford….no live blogging from you on the historic second Berlin speech by your idol? Minus a hundred thousand people or so, the addition of bullet proof glass and a teleprompter ruined by the hot sun…….I found it to be a pretty awesome summery of how far we have come. Who cares if the minor leage baseball size crowd was invite only.

    Man I miss those days where you blog about every “fire side chat”.

    Obama sucks.

  356. If you haven’t seen this, it’s pretty funny in an awkward way. Brand fucking with the brain trust at MSNBC. Bubbles Brzezinski just starts mugging for the camera praying for a commercial break because she can’t even process what’s going on.

  357. I’ve been busy. Nothing like finishing my master’s or saving drowning children though. Nice gong fellas.

    Seems like our world leaders have slipped a few notches down the “extraordinary” scale.

  358. I saw that clip this morning. There was some sexual inference to Mika by Brand. Looked a little flirtatious too. Did you see all those people searching social media? That’s their job. Imagine that? Getting paid to be on fb and twitter. There you go, Rutherford. Could be the ultimate job for a mediahead.

  359. Kindle Fire battery does not impress me. Also phone playing dead intermittently. Thanks for asking Tigre.

    Kindle tried to call you Tigress.

  360. Some random thoughts before bed time:

    1. My college roommate found oncology so depressing in the early to mid 1980’s that he switched to cardiac care simply because he could save more lives there.

    2. Chris Matthews says Angela Merkel is a template for Hillary and Obama’s embrace of her foreshadows his eventual support of Hillary, his successor. Chris has lost his mind. I still love watching him but he’s around the bend.

    3. Thanks for posting the Russell Brand vid (which I will try to embed properly when I finish this comment). My wife watched it this morning and could not understand why Brand so unnerved everyone. He clearly was the smartest one in the room.

    4. Since I’ve gotten more than one jibe about it … I posted the Obama video weekly address in the early days because of the novelty of it. I liked the idea that he took the traditional radio address and moved it to video. When the novelty wore off, I stopped doing it. (A loooooong time ago.)

    5. I need to collect a cat poop sample for a vet visit tomorrow and Ollie has suddenly decided he doesn’t need to crap.

    6. PF is right … this notion that women make better workers than men or that if women ran the world it would all go so smoothly is pure crap. It’s patronizing reverse sexism that many women happily sign on to. All you need to do is watch two women who don’t like each other work together and you’d know the truth. If John Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev had been Joanna and Natasha, the whole world would have been blown to bits.

  361. WikiLeaks says Micheal Hastings tweeted to their lawyer that the FBI was watching him. An associate described him as paranoid about it.

    A few hours later, he ran a red light while speeding.His body was burned beyond recognition. Ordinarily, we could dismiss the accident as what we would see in a television drama. The accident was, of course a case of misjudgement and bad luck.

    But today, given what we now know, could there be more to the incident? It was probably just a tragic accident, but even considering something different speaks to what has happened to our country.,

  362. James 100% right. When I heard of Hastings death I went into immediate Poolman mode and told my wife he was eliminated by the govt.

    On the other hand a couple of weeks ago he did show up on MSNBC’s “Up” visibly high on something. Booze I suspect but it could have been something else. He was definitely off kilter. If autopsy results are ever released I’m betting it shows intoxication.

    Then again, how good an autopsy can you do on a cremated corpse?

  363. re 482, We’ll see what the government does next. Scott posted about that Salon article lumping him in with Naomi Wolf, Webster Tarpley, and Jon Rappoport. I tend to follow his logic on this one. The article is merely a hit piece and serves to discredit these people, but not their salient points. I had already read Naomi’s and Webster’s accounts. We know CISPA already passed the house and will need to pass the senate. This time it likely won’t be defeated since we have a ‘crisis’ and no one like Aaron Swartz stands in its way. Never mind that the government created this ‘crisis’ in the first place. And now we expect THEM to create a solution? The TPP is being negotiated secretively and ties into this and has even greater impact on any remaining rights we have/had.

  364. Yeah, these Mercedes cars are so poorly built they often blow up when they run into trees and such. 🙄

    Compare from this older Mercedes crash at 120 mpg where the driver walks away.

  365. I long worked in an industry dominated by men. Early on the figure was something like 7% female. That number grew with the industry, but there were times when I was one of only 2 or 3 women on a dev team of 100+. The rest of the women all worked in HR or as admins or program managers. Front desk.

    Sometimes the women embarrassed themselves and me along with them with their work ethic, other times they kicked ass. I did learn a few things along the way…

    Men often make more than women for doing the same job, and often that’s a result of better self-promotion on the part of the men. Men are better I think at quantifying what they do and demanding what they want salary-wise. Women focus on perks, especially time off.

    Once early on in my career I found out I was making $15,000 less/yr than a man with similar bona fides and I set about catching up. I patterned my salary negotiations and interactions with higher ups after him and my compensation took off. Ultimately I was actually better than he was at our job tasks and yet in 5 years time I never did reach the point where I matched him dollar for dollar. Sometimes people would turn to him to speak when addressing me or my work in meetings. It was strangely amusing until one of the female program managers noticed and rectified the situation by interrupting him and redirecting over to me. I just smiled a lot in those days and worked hard.

    Generally speaking, being a woman seemed to open doors for me and presented the opportunity to stand out. In the end I turned down more opportunities than I was passed over.

    The only real issue that bubbled up was sharing bathrooms. I recall having to stand firm on that and the men didn’t/don’t like it one bit. I can’t say I blame them – at one point the women in the last company I worked for each had our own stall while nearly 100 men had to share similar facilities. They actually negotiated for an unused bathroom on a separate floor in our building. We got lots of complaints about the situation over the years.

  366. @#487 – Tex is probably on vacation. It’s that time.

    After I turn in grades later today I’ll have the entire summer off. Yippee.

  367. Poolman, inject the crazy if you want. It doesn’t matter if Snowden is a whistleblower with a knack for PR or a plant from the NSA to let us all know we are being spied on. The problem remains the same. WE ARE BEING SPIED ON. And the answer remains the same as well, tear down the apparatus. Repeal the Patriot Act.

  368. “The CBO works with the numbers that are provided to it, which aren’t always practical estimates, but rather agenda-driven figures.”

    I thought they scored the bill as written, doing their own number crunching. What numbers are they “provided”.

  369. “inject the crazy?

    Hey thor, I agree with the tear down the apparatus and repeal the PA. However, every effort by government has been to STRENGTHEN it. There is legislation by Rand Paul trying to govern the NSA, but I don’t think there is any real effort to diminish the surveillance state. Look how many are getting rich from it! Do you know how many millions were spent on security for the G8? They even spent over a million to paint fake shop fronts to make empty buildings appear thriving. This whole thing is fast becoming a circus.

    Capitalism, cannibalism, what difference at this point does it make?

  370. The way I see it, America’s been issued a death certificate and everybody’d rather argue in what font it ought to appear.

  371. Thor…they score the bill as written..the numbers I was talking about are in HOW they score the bill as written.

    I am not saying they are always wrong, I’m just saying they are not always right. It’s a tool, not a guarantee.

  372. lol. You’re right, Tigre, it does still read lethal injection. Cocktails all around, folks. Bottoms up!

  373. Looks like they struck a jury of 6 in the Zimmerman case. 5 white women, 1 Hispanic woman. Fitting. White-Hispanic jury for the white-Hispanic defendant. 2 gun owners, one with a previous arrest. On the very surfacy-surface, sounds like a good group for Zimmerman.

  374. OK Tigre, help me I’m confused. I thought juries were composed of 12 people not 6 and can I assume that the previous arrest did not result in a conviction since I also thought convicts can’t serve on juries.

    As far as surfacy-surface, I’m surprised the prosecution didn’t work harder to get a black on the jury.

  375. The way I see it, America’s been issued a death certificate and everybody’d rather argue in what font it ought to appear.

    If that’s a Poolman original, damn kudos to you. One of the pithiest remarks you’ve made yet.

  376. I’m still waiting for PF to pipe in on whether it is possible to measure blood alcohol levels from an immolated corpse.

    I haven’t had time to read up on this but my wife tells me that before marrying conservative Elise Jordan, Hastings lost his fiance some time ago to a car bomb in Baghdad.

    When an outspoken journalist dies in what an onlooker described as an explosive fire it can’t help but make the Poolman’s of the world start wondering.

  377. Wondering? I can’t keep up with all the crimes.

    Mercedes don’t blow up on impact and engines no longer fly out of them. This went 100 feet. The palm is still standing. I’d wager something blew it a hundred feet. Witnesses heard a bomb, not the sound of a car wreck. I’ve heard car wrecks and ever since Pintos are not on the road, few blow up and certainly not Mercedes. They have a long record of drivers walking away from all sorts of wrecks.

    I’d venture the car was taken over by remote. These new models are equipped with stuff the sales staff dares not reveal, if in fact they even have a clue. 2014 vehicles must all comply.

  378. I’m here to state that I’ve seen dozens of cars hit walls and stuff at high speeds and the number of them that I have observed to eject their powertrains and immediately catch massive fire is, um, ah, zero. Modern cars are very good at not catching fire in accidents. The Mercedes-Benz C-Class, which is an evolutionary design from a company known for sweating the safety details over and above the Euro NCAP requirements, should be leading the pack in the not-catching-on-fire category.

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/06/famed-non-automotive-journalist-michael-hastings-turns-a-c250-into-a-bomb/

  379. “OK Tigre, help me I’m confused. I thought juries were composed of 12 people not 6 and can I assume that the previous arrest did not result in a conviction since I also thought convicts can’t serve on juries.”

    It’s my understanding that in Florida, 12 jurors are required only for criminal trials involving capital cases. I don’t know whether the lawyers could insist on 12 but agreed to 6 (the minimum deemed constitutionally permissible) like we have here in GA. I’ve never agreed to 6 but I’ve also never handled a criminal trial.

    “As far as surfacy-surface, I’m surprised the prosecution didn’t work harder to get a black on the jury.”

    Probably luck of the draw from the jury pool. Remember, the process is one of exclusion not inclusion. That’s why lawyers talk about “striking a jury.” You take them in order (numbered 1 through a whatever — 40 or 50 — without a lot of strikes for cause like you have in a high-profile case, as here, where many come with knowledge and opinions on the case). For a jury of 12 in GA in civil cases at least, each side has 6 peremptory strikes (entirely in the discretion of the lawyers, no cause needed).

    Chances are there happened to be a patch of about 25 – 30 with few blacks and few males after all strikes for cause were made. The blacks were likely struck by the defense, the men by the prosecution.

    I once had a jury of 12 with 10 women, 8 of those under 30, 6 white. I hated it but is was very much the product of the pool sent up for selection.

  380. I know this is one isolated goober in Tennessee, but here is the perfect reason we need to repeal the PATRIOT Act:

    Tennessee official tells citizen group that complaining about water quality could be considered by Homeland Security as an “act of terrorism.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/21/official-says-water-complaints-act-of-terrorism/2445071/

    Anybody here still think the PATRIOT Act is a good idea? Not to beat the drum again, but what we have done with that abortion is give tools to our officials that any despot would drool over, and hope nobody uses them against us. Are we f’in nuts?

    That’s’ it; calling my reps and senators TODAY.

  381. ET can you explain the comment about women on the jury, and those under 30. Why would the prosecutor strike men? Boy there must be some art to picking a jury!

  382. White House reporters sometimes poke fun at press secretary Jay Carney’s penchant for using the phrase “I appreciate the question” during briefings — especially when it’s clear he likely does not, in fact, “appreciate” a tough or awkward query.

    But a Yahoo! News analysis identifies “13 distinct strains” of how Mr. Carney evades reporter’s questions. More than 1,900 times since he held his first press briefing on Feb. 16, 2011, he gave some form of “I don’t have the answer — and there were at least 9,486 times where he’s dodged a question.

    The breakdown, according to Yahoo!, includes:

    I don’t have the answer (1905 times)

    I would refer you to someone else (1383 times)

    You already know the answer (1125 times)

    I’m not going to tell you (939 times)

    Not that I know of (927 times)

    I don’t want to (588 times)

    I’m not sure (549 times)

    I won’t speculate (525 times)

    No comment (429 times)

    I’ll get back to you (387 times)

    It’s a good question (381 times)

    See yesterday’s non-response (231 times)

    The president won’t tell me (117 times)

  383. Poolman your remote theory is not consistent with the assertion that MB’s don’t explode on impact. Why would a third party take control of the car for a crash that doesn’t guarantee an explosion?

    The more likely explanation is a remote control explosive.

    I absolutely hate going tin foil hat truther but when I saw the engine a block away from the car I was pretty convinced this is no ordinary car accident. I hope it gets labeled suspicious and gets investigated.

    After watching the videos I think Hastings was murdered. The only question is by whom?

  384. “ET can you explain the comment about women on the jury, and those under 30. Why would the prosecutor strike men? Boy there must be some art to picking a jury!”

    Picking a jury is indeed and art. In large enough cases, I have hired jury consultants to work profiles and sit through voire dire after we have mock tried the case (actors for witnesses using transcripts from depositions, paid jurors interviewed and scored, computers monitoring impressions of key events as they’re presented, video to judge facial expression and body language, how a different pitch might play etc.) Having the right jury is of course one of the most determinative aspects of the case, followed of course by the merits, witness credibility and the judge.

    As for why he might strike men, I am truly speculating because I don’t know all of the details or his theory of the case. But I guess from experience and the most generalized proposition that a jury that is most reflective of your client in stereotypical ways is what you’re after. The reason is obvious: empathy and credibility.

    My belief is that women would be less inclined to identify with Zimmerman’s self-reliance in the physical confrontation because women generally have no experience with physical confrontation like almost all men do. Women would likely have a more sympathetic view of Travon because of his age (the nurturing aspect that men would likely abandon). They would not understand the aggressive nature of Trayvon’s actions has having been motivated by an internal drive that exists in men when they feel threatened which might explain why Trayvon was the one that brought it on himself (as opposed to being profiled) — etc. etc. etc. In other words, they will struggle more to understand Zimmerman’s actions.

    Personally, I think the gender preference is probably not going to be all that important to the prosecution from what I know of the case. Shit, we all just read about that white guy that lied in an effort to get on the jury so that Zimmerman would be convicted. Trayvon was just a thug in training which isn’t going play well with women — but there again, I understand the prosecution successfully argued that much of the evidence of who Trayvon really was and what makes him tick was excluded.

    In my view, it’s the race issue that has been whipped up and upon which the prosecution must now rely that will drive the case. Without it, the prosecution won’t find the ill-motive or explanation other than what Zimmerman offered for what happened. Unless the jury is convinced that our White-Hispanic was out hunting for menacing looking blacks, I don’t see how the prosecution sells a second degree murder conviction.

    Anybody want to wager whether there will be riots if Zimmerman is acquitted by an all white jury? Arguing that the State didn’t get a fair trial because here weren’t blacks on the jury would certainly create a paradox, wouldn’t it? Of course guys like R, who say there’s no such thing as reverse racism and have a general view that social justice means come-uppance for whitey, are loathe to admit it and will certainly see an all white jury as more proof of the racism they alleged existed all along.

  385. On PF, the under 30 comment was in relation to MY case. It was a problem because the issues were complicated and involved things that younger folks simply don’t think about. Different case with different facts.

  386. The remote is just speculation, Rutherford, but helps me explain why the car would run a red light and accelerate to the point where it was flying over a hill and bottoming out before impact. It would also lead it to where it finally did, which is where the crime occurred. I speculate a bomb was either already on board, or some other incendiary device was fired at it or awaiting it. Just speculation on my part. It is suspicious to me that the other reports show the engine compartment covered with a sheet. What are they concealing? Have you seen this video of the scene? Interesting set of characters and exchanges. That’s all I’ll say there.

    The FBI to Wikileaks story seems bogus and designed to throw investigators off. Hastings had made some serious enemies in the military and cia with his prior and current investigations. They would likely farm out the hit.

  387. JERUSALEM (Reuters) – A security guard shot and killed a Jewish Israeli man on Friday at one of Judaism’s holiest sites in Jerusalem, the Western Wall, which was immediately shut to visitors, police said.
    The guard opened fire after the man, in an adjacent restroom, was heard shouting “Allahu Akbar,” Arabic for “God is greatest”, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.

    Rosenfeld said the guard opened fire with his pistol because he suspected the man was a Palestinian militant. The victim turned out to be an Israeli Jew in his 40s.

    “The fact he shouted Allahu Akbar, that seems to be why the security guard drew his weapon and fired a number of shots at him,” he said.

    “We are looking into what (the dead man’s)… motives were,” Rosenfeld added.

    http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-killed-guard-jewish-holy-jerusalem-051830299.html

    What are the dead man’s motives? 🙄

    Freedom of speech, suicidal, what difference at this point does it matter?

  388. Considering that Islamic suicide bombers always scream Allah Akbar right before detonating should mean nothing…

    Hmmmm, Israel and suicide bombers–what was the guard thinking…

  389. Always, huh? You’d think they’d get smarter than that. Oh wait, they invented assassins. So more of a Pavlovian response, and should be verbotten like yelling “FIRE!” in a crowded theater?

  390. “Comments in the video I posted say the Spanish guy claims the car was on fire before it crashed.” – Pools

    No shit. The comments … in the video … of the Spanish guy claiming …?

    Why go to the tertiary level of hearsay?

    I know nothing about this case, but if I wanted to know I’d get my hands on the insurance report and the police report. In this state it is often the State Patrol that investigates fatal accidents, and Farmers ain’t paying for no Mercedes blown up by the CIA. But I suppose digging through reams of paperwork isn’t as sexy as posting a video, is it?

    You could also … Fuck! What am I doing? Almost signed up for insect drone riding lessons.

    Alfie, I blame you. 🙂

  391. I don’t speak Spanish, thor, wish I did, but I understand a lot of it and it was what I understood him to say when I listened to the video that I linked in 517. The comment only confirms it. Spanish is common. One can listen for themself, at least before the video disappears.

    I’m certain a real investigation will clearly show us the facts. I’m not so sure we’ll ever get them. Hollywood isn’t exactly Integrity, USA. What agency do you feel would give us the truth?

  392. Allah Akbar means “Allah is Greater“, so it is more of a definitive statement in their last moment claiming the supremacy of Allah.

    For what it is worth, most folks incorrectly translate Allah Akbar as “God is Great”, but that is incorrect. ilah is a generic noun meaning god, but Allah is a proper noun and is specific the God of Islam. kebir means great, while akbar means greater. Therefore Allah Akbar literally translates to Allah is greater.

  393. This is fun, I’d love to hang out, but now I’m going to have to go work like the rest of the stupid people.

  394. I love how you always read my mind Tigre.

    There will be no riots over Trayvon. The passion has died down and no one gives a fuck anymore.

    I do find one aspect of your comment interesting. Figuring out what is prejudicial (like Trayvon’s social media activity) is a tricky proposition ain’t it?

  395. “Considering that Islamic suicide bombers always scream Allah Akbar right before detonating should mean nothing…”

    For someone named Gorilla why do you always go out on a limb that can’t support your weight?

    So you’re telling me there has NEVER been an Islamic suicide bomber who didn’t scream Allah Akbar before detonating?

  396. Regarding the ” Allah Akbar” discussion…and more just adding an observation, not intended to propose an argument against what has already been stated…

    …but I have also noticed that the phrase gets used as a response to (what I interpret as) fear. When I was watching live feeds of Syrians getting shelled, the phrase as uttered when a blast would hit nearby. It was like (in these cases) it was being used to give comfort. Perhaps, at that moment they thought “Allah is greatest” because he didn’t will that shell to hit them. Perhaps it was a statement in preparation for possible death. Like “wow I had better restate my belief just in case the next one kills me.” Perhaps it was more simplistic, and sort of a generic “holy shit, that was close” response.

    I don’t know.

  397. “There will be no riots over Trayvon. The passion has died down and no one gives a fuck anymore.”

    Yes, the liberal media already had its feast. It has moved on because to continue reporting with what is known now would expose it for what it is. Thanks MSNBC. Job well done. 🙄

    It ain’t passion. It’s truth that’s made it die down.

  398. “Figuring out what is prejudicial (like Trayvon’s social media activity) is a tricky proposition ain’t it?”

    Yep. Figuring out when the probative value is outweighed by the prejudicial effect is at the heart of most disputes governing admissibility. Though that determination is with the judge, there are many scholars that think it’s better to let everything in and let the finder of fact (jury) decide for themselves.

  399. “Yes, the liberal media already had its feast.”

    Unless Obama is stupid enough to interject some more comments, like “Zimmerman got away with murdering the son I never had!”

  400. Huck, given how Obama’s doing, you might be a little quick on the draw.

    Maybe he should say the same about Zimmerman to secure a conviction.

  401. “It ain’t passion. It’s truth that’s made it die down.”

    Truth or no truth Americans have a short attention span and this is yesterday’s news.

    If truth mattered the IRS “scandal” would be seen for what is as evidenced by the testimony released by Elijah Cummings. Truth is of little consequence. It’s what the media can sell and what people want to believe.

    There are folks who say Rodney King deserved an ass whupping but any truth to that was drowned out by passions.

    Any Trayvon riots will be predicated on passion not truth and I say the passion has faded.

  402. “Snowden accused of espionage. Could someone tell me who he was spying for?”

    He was spying for the American public…lol

  403. “Truth or no truth Americans have a short attention span and this is yesterday’s news.”

    Maybe, the liberal MSM has decided to protect their own images by deliberately avoiding the event. If there is an opportunity to pour unjustified outrage into an empty vessel, it’ll be your peeps after the verdict. There’s still enough that are waiting for an excuse to set the stage.

  404. I have decided that there is nothing good that has Tex away for so long.

    I swear, if I have to start praying for him, I am NOT going to be happy….

  405. Snowden spying for the American people … damn, that is the sad truth.

    Regarding Tex, the only thing alarming is usually an absence by Tex is preceded by an emotional tirade calling me a no-good communist lying propagandist for whom he has lost all respect. Then he comes back after a few weeks.

    Since no such tirade has been written, this absence does seem a bit unusual. I’ll write to him over the weekend but to Rabbit and Tigre who have corresponded with him more recently, if you could drop him a line and without betraying any confidence let us know he is alright, that would be most appriecated.

    Personally, I think we’re being a bit paranoid. There is life outside the RL blog and perhaps Tex is just living it?

  406. I cannot put my finger on why I find Abby Martin (in Poolman’s videos) odd. The walking around the set while she talks has always put me off a bit. But maybe it’s the emotionless voice? I don’t know … she just creeps me out slightly.

  407. I can only hope that Hastings’ widow Elise Jordan demands a thorough investigation into this “tragic car accident”. I am bothered as all f*ck about that engine and drive train being a block away from the vehicle. I even have my wife who is 100 times more sensible than I am, beginning to doubt this is a simple auto accident.

  408. Is it kind of gay that I want email pics of my 6 pack to Rutherford? Ok….so its more of a 4 pack. Totally see where that Weiner guy was coming from. Mid life and the dude thought he was hot. Turns out 15 years of lifting weights pays off if you run 5K a day and watch whay you eat.

    Met some buddies at the pub and this social worker chick streight up begged me to fuck her in the parking lot.

    How did your not very humble Rabbit respond?

    Ran out of the bar, got on my peddle bike with a bell and a basket and rode home to lick my wife’s buthole.

    Christianity isnt that bad. You can eat a chicks ass if its your wife..

    Dead Rabbit signing out..

  409. I post the Abby Martin videos for the information first, presentation second. Abby has a unique style that is definitely different than the typical msm host. She is west coast and that doesn’t always cozy with yankees. 😛

  410. DR – If you’re into rear ends, the old broad at Fat Grannies wants somebody to spank her.

    Just thought I’d offer. Could be fun. New wrinkle every night…

  411. Think 24-hour news is a good thing? This morning’s headline is that Justin Beaver lost his monkey.

    I’ve lost a dozen. And regretted them all.

  412. Yeah…I lost one last night too. I’m too old for this crap. Looks like my streak of 5k runs will be over. My head is killing me and my family could give a damn if I’m hung over.

  413. Just ‘cuz I’m feeling prickly this morning….
    Allah Akbar stuff I side with Hucks # 537. As for the guard doing what he did…I think it is pretty clear that no matter where you are in the world overzealous loonies pursue and attain jobs with guns and responsibilities that exceed their capabilities.
    On Martin v Zimmerman v FL: The truth will not be fully known and the media will be excused for all it has done in this matter and that is a shame. The fuckheads of FL and elsewhere will have the passion needed for crime waves regardless of the verdict. The only thing that may help is that there are clearly elements that have latched onto the Trayvon hoodie symbolism thing and use it for profit and social awareness shit. I wonder if the IRS delayed their classification process?? Still the dubious good of these groups will not likely squash all the incidents where some nigga wants to be a nigga. Lets face it no matter the skin tone there are plenty of folks that no matter what don’t mind throwing a brick or two into the local retail sites.
    On Hastings….the overrated piece of shit. His coup de gras the McChrystal story is more fois gras. The General was himself and that lead to his downfall. That there were questionable embellishments within the story is as clear as the presence of Stanley being a douche on record. Hastings exemplifies the long history of Rolling Stone and other entities writings. Like low end cable they think stories with a “fuck” or “bitch” in it makes it edgy and the demo slurps it up without question. The death of Mr. Hastings is not the government whacking a pain in the ass awesome reporter. Hastings was a loser who probably under the influence at 4:30 AM best case hit the cruise control accel lever and experienced a catastrophic unintended acceleration episode WHICH ISNT UNCOMMON IN MB’s so much so they had a redesign, or he just gave it the gas. Cars including MB’s do indeed catch fire and burn oh so brilliantly if their fuel lines are compromised. Given the make up of Mercedes,the amount of flammables in newer cars and the obvious extent of damage to the car it isn’t unexpected that the engine and tranny left the scene,that the rear of the car looks so shitty etc etc etc. Also of note is that many if not all of the images circulated for conspiracy consumption show a vehicle that has been worked on by those that got Crispy Hastings out of the box,the video with the Jewish guy garden hosing the car shows a Mercedes that exhibits typical high impact crash. Secondary “explosions” are the shocks popping also possibly residual action from the airbag deployment systems. Batteries pop too.
    I’d put money on the investigations outcome,and that will really ramp up the cponspir’ers

  414. We are home again and will be gone again tomorrow. Baby seems to like Al Stewart’s “The Year of the Cat.” She made pseudo smiles and her eyes opened wide when I played the song.

    I don’t have time to read what has been posted. Here is something that amused me and many other people…but not my wife.

    According to a KFAB talk show host, this is a true story.

    Two of his friends and wives were watching a College World Series ball game. Audience members are from all over the country, and they tend to visit.

    The two friends began chatting with two hot North Carolina college students who also were only half dressed. The wives visited too.

    The college students are avid golfers as are the two men. The four of them talked, golf and the wives who don’t golf felt left out. The College students left to visit the rest room and upon their return the conversation again excluded the wives.

    The wives left and after a long absence the men worried. One asked a woman to check a rest room, but the wives weren’t there. He called her on the cell phone. She said she was home. “if you like those girls so much, let them drive you home.”

    He called his friend the talk show host who came to take the two men home. One of the men asked the students if they had a ride. No, they didn’t. So the two men climbed into the back seat and the girls sat on their laps as they took the girls to their hotel.

    The talk show host was afraid this wouldn’t end well.

    They stopped at a red light, and a man in the car next to them was one of the wife’s co- workers. He called the wife. The talk show man dropped the students off at the hotel and took the men home.

    As he told the story, he said “it gets worse.” The wife told her husband that they had been married twenty years and had three children. She could no longer dress like the two young women, and her husband’s attention made her insecure.

    He said “if you want, you could get a boob job.” His enraged wife left the house for three hours.

    As the talk show host told the story, the wife sent three e mails. One said “They weren’t that hot.” Talk show host replied “They were only half dressed, to a man that makes them hot>”

  415. “our base doesn’t like immigrants and we don’t think they’ll vote Republican.”

    Why is this horseshit in quotes? Exactly which member of the GOP uttered these words?

    Name 1 Republican individual that doesn’t like “immigrants” as opposed to “illegal (yes, they are here illegally, that makes their status “illegal”) immigrants”.

    I am so disgusted over the framing of this debate. We used to call them “wetbacks.” Then that became a PC no-no, so we had to switch to “illegal alien.” Then that became taboo, so we had to exchange “alien” with “immigrant.” Then “illegal immigrant” became racist, so we had to alter their status to “undocumented.” Now we can’t even say that. Now they are simply “immigrants” so that it can be said that opponents of illegal immigration hate immigrants.

    It’s going to be funny when 1 of these new amnesty recipients takes Rutherford’s job manning California phone calls because he can speak Spanish and Rutherford can’t. We can snicker as he comes on here tossing out a vulgar tirade about how Big, Bad, Big Business doesn’t care about him.

  416. Hey Rutherford…google “car catches fire after accident” IT HAPPENS DUDE. I like
    Anyway. I liked the one: June 10th in Texas….woman passenger dead after the car she was in hit cow and burst into flames. A f@#$ing cow dude. I wonder if the cow was served at the wake.
    Curious in your professional capacity have you had the “my car is on fire” call yet?

  417. Huck 564 classic reframing of the narrative and although many on the Right are disingenuous scumbags like their brethren on the Left the fact remains that more so on the conservative/libertarian end of the spectrum honesty and rule of law still matters. The progressive/socialist/ dems have feelings nothing more than feelings…

  418. We have plenty of car-B-Qs here in Arizona. Car’s will catch fire when they overheat. Drive the freeways here and notice all the zones with melted asphalt, usually on the shoulder. I’ve a few photos on file of some I have witnessed. My daughter’s first car, a prelude, did that on her way to work as she pressed on ignoring the temperature gauge.

    Totally different thang from blowing up.

  419. Our daughter- in law’s car caught fire in California. A friend smelled smoke and checked his shed to investigate. His deisal tractor was smoldering.

    I agree, Huck. Leftist extremists continue to change language and definitions to make moderates and conservatives appear out of the mainstream–one of Alynski’s rules.

    We have more Hispanics than blacks. Guess who the Democrats will help if they must choose between the two.

  420. Just because I owe Thor lol…
    Cars don’t always catch fire after a crash which is quite fortunate,but they do sometimes given the right circumstances and from a number of sources (electrical,fluids,shocks,safety eqpt.). Combustion secondary to overheating or mechanical failure fails to meet the criteria of fire post accident and by no means discounts the realities.
    Interestingly enough a car can experience an explosion and NOT BURST INTO FLAMES…
    http://www.necn.com/01/27/13/Car-explosion-in-Stoneham-Mass-deemed-ac/landing.html?blockID=827385
    Fire/EMS science is fascinating and a fave of mine.

  421. I hate to let you in on this but language matters. That’s why the words we use change to conform to evolving social norms. That’s why the N word became negro became colored became black became African American. It may seem PC to you but it reflects a group striving for dignity reflected in what they are called.

    The reason illegal immigrant has come out of favor is that it objectifies people. Acts are illegal. People are not. If you really want to get down to brass tacks call them criminal immigrants since they have broken immigration laws coming here.

  422. “The reason illegal immigrant has come out of favor is that it objectifies people. Acts are illegal. People are not.”

    But people are undocumented. Go ahead and explain where that went.

    “If you really want to get down to brass tacks call them criminal immigrants since they have broken immigration laws coming here.”

    I will if you will.

    But I am sure you will stick with your generic “immigrants” so you can continue to spread your “the GOP base hates immigrants” bullshit.

    Which you conveniently failed to address.

    Because you know it’s bullshit and you cannot defend saying it.

  423. “I hate to let you in on this but language matters.”

    Rutherford knows language matters, that’s why he wants to remove some of it.

  424. But people are undocumented. Go ahead and explain where that went.

    Our language has evolved. Undocumented is the opposite of documented. Documented could mean tagged, noted, or bearing documents. These are qualifications. Basically the state takes inventory and wants first cut. Making them criminal also benefits the state through its vast enforcement inventory. Win win for the state. It also promotes the divide and conquer theme that also benefits the state. A win win win, in other words.

    Why would they (the state) fix anything?

  425. I’ve tried three times to compose a comment here in reply to Rutherfords latest. I am literally unable to think straight I am so blown away by what he has put forth as his serious opinion/position on this matter. Shocked doesn’t begin to cover it.

  426. poolman you have taken illogical leaping to a new level. By all means let us be the only open border nation on the planet. Let’s do that!

  427. “That’s why the N word became negro became colored became black became African American” -R

    Nobody says African American outside of the most nervous of douche bags. Maybe it’s a corporate thing, I don’t know. If anything I find the term “African American”can build awkward formalities that aren’t positive or necessary.

    Having been the only white guy for a while at work I was lucky to learn what black people really get pissy about.

    Now “you people”. Bad. Phoniness is bad too. Act white as hell without apology. It gains respect. Not a big secret. Human beings like people who keep it real and dislike those who don’t.

    Black people are racist. But, just like white people, it’s usually a superficial racism involving distasteful (but funny jokes). We used to all refer to the visiting buerocrat at the prison as WW ( code for white woman). Fucking hated that lady.

    Profesinal Blacks are also really big on their fraternities. Nepotism is kind of bad that way.

    But damn black people “group think” can be stupid. It’s what holds them down. Sometimes I think it’s harder to stand out as an individual within the black community.

  428. Like Hucking said, It’s odd that the government cares more about monitoring what we say to one another then securing our border.

    I wish liberals like Sandi would understand that the loose and unregulated border creates an inhumane nightmare. Slavery, coyotes treating people like chattel, the movement of some of the most violent terrorist groups’ product, kidnapping. The border issue is a human rights issue. Secure the border, you end some major human suffering.

  429. Alfie, borders always divide people, not just land. Ask the 1000 folks camping at E1 in Jerusalem this evening. This walled-in deed land you so shill for isn’t what it’s been sold or recorded as. You whistle yankee doodle while your jackbooted buddies probe and patrol us like we’re vagabonds. Public servants. What is it about public and servant that you cannot grasp? Your allegiance is to the overlords, the enforcers of one-sided laws, where the good ole boy network flourishes and dissent of the status quo is quashed in any and all ways. It’s proven to be overbearing and unjust. The land where justice really means justification and transparency really means transfer all to me and my buddies. How’s Richard after his BM gig?.

    There were people before borders and they did what they could to survive. If they lived in harmony with nature and each other, then life was good and everyone was happy. If a person did an honest day’s work, he was able to feed and clothe himself and provide for a family. Indigenous folks were in the land well before it became a designated debt farm. Even thereafter, the worker was always welcome and the criminal was not.

    We don’t need to spend billions to reinforce the golden rule.

  430. “There were people before borders and they did what they could to survive.”

    Allow me to be the first to introduce you to the real world.

    Welcome.

  431. We used to live in caves that didn’t have doors, too.

    Poolman, do you leave the front door of your house open to anyone to enter uninvited?

  432. “Even thereafter, the worker was always welcome and the criminal was not.”

    Entering the country illegally is a criminal act. Even Rutherford concedes this.

    So you’re exactly right. Criminals are not welcome. And yet they continue to come, forcing us to spend billions to enforce that golden rule.

  433. Poolman is not alone on the open border idea. In another of Toure’s idiotic rants he promoted open borders.

    To me, you don’t have a sovereign nation if you don’t have a border.

  434. Wars and rumors of wars.
    Perpetual indebtedness.
    Perpetual fear.
    Cha-ching!!!!
    How’s that war on drugs progressing?
    And that war on poverty? (I hope you caught the Karen Hudes video)
    That’s why there’s now a war on terror.
    Terror. That is what has been marketed as the latest threat to our freedom, safety, or survival. I can’t think of too many things more terrifying than patrolling predator drones taking out your friends and neighbors, anytime, anyplace.

    Now we’re entertaining thought criminals, as thousands of state employees and their subcontractors peruse our communications and build files on us.

    Is this beginning to sound familiar?

  435. Could we establish that right now we actually don’t have a border problem?

    Net immigration is ZERO. Obama has deported more folks than several previous Presidents combined. Mexico’s economy is improving and fewer people think our economy is worth their laying in a car trunk to get over the border.

    Could we actually quantify the “problem” that has Republicans lined up to spend BILLIONS to solve?

  436. Criminals are not welcome. And yet they continue to come, forcing us to spend billions to enforce that golden rule.

    Come? The biggest criminals run the joint. Did you not see the IMF clip? Have you not heard of LIBOR? Did you approve of the bailing out criminal banks? Printing more money. Lying and collusion, murder and theft. CRIMINALS are running the place. Get a clue. They have no intent on enforcing the golden rule. In their mind it is he who has the gold makes the rules. Where have you been? You want to rearrange the deck chairs on this Titanic. Sheesh.

    Illegal immigrant, undocumented workers, terrorists slipping through our borders (right), are all diversions. The criminality starts at the top. The rot is at the core. You cannot window dress a burning building.

  437. Allow me to be the first to introduce you to the real world.

    The real world is what we make it. I choose to make it less evil.

  438. We used to live in caves that didn’t have doors, too.

    I never did. I have been in some awesome caves that would have made excellent quarter. The temperatures were consistent year round. So doors on a cave seems silly. Doors on a house are practical.

    Poolman, do you leave the front door of your house open to anyone to enter uninvited?

    Not anymore. When I was a kid, we never locked the door. It was nice. We didn’t have fences either. Sorry you missed that. That was a different world. A much more serene place. Before we were indoctrinated into this terror state (or state of terror), for sure.

  439. “Could we actually quantify the “problem” that has Republicans lined up to spend BILLIONS to solve?”

    And just how would you propose we do that?

    There isn’t any paper trail on undocumented people, so we can’t count heads through paperwork.

    It’s racist to ask people their residency/immigration/citizenship status, so we can’t count heads by asking people.

    We’re told they are living in the shadows, so we can’t count heads by mere observation.

    Exactly how did you arrive to at the conclusion that our net immigration is ZERO when we have absolutely NO IDEA what our net immigration is? Is that something you heard on MSNBC?

    Knowing that number is precisely the problem….we don’t.

  440. @575 Oh good grief!!!!! So she used the “N” word sometime in her past. What I guess should be noted as important is the harassment suit filed by a restaurant employee which I doubt involved her personally more likely “Bubba”. With a name like that I figure you’ll hear the “N” word used which makes me a “bigot” doesn’t it? 😆

    Have you noticed you can call a Latino (illegal or legal) any derogatory name and you don’t seem to land in court over discrimination? Maybe there are cases I just don’t hear about.

  441. Raji – it’s so much easier to focus on things that, in the end, really don’t matter, so you can avoid the hard work of dealing with the things that do.

    In order, (mine, nobody else’s) the things that these folks NEED to worry about:

    1) violence by the males – highest percentage in prison of any race – and not because the “man” doesn’t like them, either.

    2) illegitimate birth – one sperm donor impregnates five, ten women, but then does not take care of his kids. Who does? You and I.

    3) low academic achievement – w/o “affirmative action” – a euphemism for taking opportunity from one who earned it and giving it to someone who didn’t – few accomplish much academically; those that do legitimately are not taken seriously by others, figuring they GOT there by affirmative action.

    4) difficulty assimilating into society. The Italians, Poles, Vietnamese came to America and worked hard to become Americans, taking traditional American names and struggling against prejudice and stereotypes – not by whining about their great-great-great-great-great grandfather – but by working hard and staying out of trouble, and making sure their children did as well. Blacks, through self-destructive behavior, have assured that they are NOT part of the culture, giving their kids stupid made-up names (Loquisheiashanaynay) and always standing out in a crowd. Ever see another race “riot?” Any? (That’s a dogwhistle for “loot.”)

    No, we’ve tried “helping.” Doesn’t work. And nobody wants to hear the whining anymore – least of all a Hillbilly boy from the Head of the Holler – who, growing up as a poor white child, got NO help.

  442. BTW, my wife and I had “date night” last evening – we saw “World War Z” at a drive in!

    We stopped for a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken to take with us and were served by “Kolandara,” “Toshina” and “Kameisha.”