Sandy Writes the Last Chapter on Obama-Romney

Hurricane Sandy which devastated parts of the American Northeast earlier this week places in sharp contrast the differing visions and styles of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

Let’s start with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). In 2011, Romney said the agency should not be funded at the federal level and that emergency relief should be pushed down to the states or better yet, to the private sector. I can only hope that Governor Romney was thinking about non-profits in the private sector because we have seen time and time again that when profit is applied to human lives, suffering ensues.

The profit motive works for products. You make a better product than the next guy and sell it for as much as the market will bear. That is capitalism at its best. The profit motive does not work for human beings. You privatize education and only the rich get educated. You privatize health insurance and the sick lose their insurance or worse, can’t get any at all. You privatize the military and you get mercenaries accountable to no one and out of control. You privatize the prison system and you get perverse incentives to convict more folks to fill more prisons, to make more money. Mitt Romney, inebriated on his own wealth and out of touch with regular people, does not understand that money changes everything. When profit becomes a component in the equation, it invariably becomes the most important component and people suffer.

The power and importance of federal government intervention was demonstrated by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie whose state was torn asunder by Sandy. Within two weeks of trashing the President for incompetence, the Governor was forced to be honest this week and give Barack Obama his due, while putting the Romney campaign in proper perspective during days of tragedy.

As I watched Chris Christie at the Republican Convention in August, it was obvious he was phoning it in. It took a full half of his speech to go by before he even mentioned Romney by name. Christie is a straight shooter. He’s real. We all know the truth. Christie sold his soul for political expediency supporting a guy half-heartedly for the sake of the party. This week, Christie found his soul again. His exchange with that doofus Steve Doocy of Fox News was as close to an endorsement of Obama as we’ll ever get from Christie as well as a total dismissal of trivial Mitt.

Furthermore, Hurricane Sandy reminds us that not only do we not build and run our businesses totally on our own, but that we cannot rebuild them totally on our own. The Small Business Administration is offering loans to businesses that need to recover from Sandy. In times of crisis this nonsense about Obama’s supposed comment “you didn’t build that” is shown for the distorted lie that it is. In an Obama administration, we help each other and the government provides for the general welfare of the people as our Constitution intended. In a Romney administration it is each man for himself, relying on the kindness of charity.

Speaking of charity, Sandy also gave Romney another opportunity to be opportunistic. On Tuesday as the horror of Sandy’s aftermath was revealed to the nation, Mitt Romney chose not to cancel a campaign event in Ohio but instead, in the most half-assed fashion, convert the event into a “storm relief event”. Because the decision to turn pure politics into charity was made at the last-minute, vestiges of politics remained, such as press passes emblazoned with “victory rally” and a campaign video displayed to the audience on a jumbo-tron, two things you wouldn’t expect to see at a charity event. Just to make sure that the intended purpose of the event was achieved, a photo-op of Romney taking action, the campaign hedged its bets and bought supplies just in case the invited audience did not bring any donations. Then those participants who wanted to meet Mr. Romney were instructed to hand him their donation or take a campaign-bought donation and give that to Romney. Yes, you read that right. Rally participants were given campaign-purchased props to make it appear they were giving donations to Romney’s “relief effort”.   So, again, Mitt tries to win public favor through lies and deception.

In addition to the charity/campaign rally and its disingenuous image manipulation, a finer point emerged that the target of the donations, the Red Cross, is very clear that they prefer to receive money or blood donations, not supplies. Receiving supplies only adds to their logistical nightmares during a disaster. This was made evident in the Red Cross statement of thanks to the Romney campaign for their effort:

“The American Red Cross appreciates the support from the Romney campaign and is working with the campaign to process this donation of supplies,” Ann Marie Borrego, a Red Cross spokeswoman, said in a statement. “We are grateful that both the Obama and Romney campaigns have also encouraged the public to send financial donations to the Red Cross. We encourage individuals who want to help to consider making a financial donation or making an appointment to give blood.” — from a CNN report.

Notice that Ms. Borrego doesn’t encourage folks to send canned goods. I have read some bloggers point out that some organizations like the Salvation Army do accept supplies. That’s all well and good but Romney didn’t target the Salvation Army. He targeted the Red Cross. Why didn’t his staff research the Red Cross preference? Why didn’t they call the Red Cross and ask “how can we help”? They didn’t do it because that would not have provided the good photo-op. Imagine photos of folks lining up to give Mitt Romney cash and checks! Not the image he wanted floating around a week from election day.

Sandy, a study in contrasts. While Barack Obama is doing his job working with a Governor who savaged him only within the past two weeks, Mitt Romney launches a phony relief effort against the backdrop of his disdain for FEMA which he considers an “immoral” waste of Federal money. Please note that the Romney campaign has walked back previous comments about FEMA. Just like they take two sides of every debate to take advantage of the moment.

One Last Lie Before Election Day

Romney is running ads in Ohio implying that auto production jobs at GM and Chrysler  are moving to China. It prompted the following responses from two companies.

“The ad is cynical campaign politics at its worst,” Greg Martin, a spokesman for General Motors, said in an interview late Tuesday. “We think creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back in this country should be a source of bipartisan pride.”

And in a note from the Chrysler CEO to his employees:

In an e-mail to employees on Tuesday, Chrysler’s executive, Sergio Marchionne, said that Jeep’s commitment to the United States was unequivocal. “I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China,” he wrote. “It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”

The campaign slyly takes advantage of the average American’s ignorance about auto manufacturing. It is common practice to manufacture autos at the place of sale. Sales of Chrysler vehicles will increase in China therefore necessitating new plants there. No US jobs are being exported. Romney’s ad leaves the impression they are.

This is probably my last post before Election Day. Whatever your politics, I urge you to vote. I already did. But please keep this in mind. Do you really want to reward Mitt Romney for a campaign that right up until the last moment has engaged in lies and deception?

If you are anything like me, this campaign season has worn you out. My heart went out to a little girl on YouTube named Abby who has taken all she can take. It’s time for this long battle to end. May the best man win.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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671 thoughts on “Sandy Writes the Last Chapter on Obama-Romney

  1. That bastard Romney…..I’m not voting for him now because MSNBC told Rutherford that Romney gave canned goods. The horror. The horror.

  2. muffy opined in the prior thread:

    ‘I’ve heard it said that “life is the one political value higher than liberty.” ‘

    And, oddly enough, I’ve heard it said, “I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.” There are many things worse than death, my dear. Oppression, particularly by bigots and lunatics, is at the top of the list.

    “I’ve also heard it said that “As an OB doctor, let me tell you,” Dr. Paul said, “life does begin at conception.”’

    And I have heard it said that, “Life is an unbroken thread extending back through the aeons to that time when the first single-stranded RNA replicated itself.” A zygote is life? Then are the sperm and egg which produced it? Do those deserve protection under the law? How about the animals that produced both? How about the sperm and egg that produced THEM?

    Life is everywhere, and every argument as to what constitutes life depends entirely upon how the parameters for “life” are set. But life is not the point, and arguing about what constitues same is a giant waste of time. The question is, “What or whom deserves protection under the law?” Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps when you have flip-flopped back to your “I think we should compromise” position, that will make sense.

    “If you aren’t aware that former abortionists have been speaking out in recent years, giving testimony of their experiences (including the money there is to be made), ”

    The unfortunate truth is that you can get some doctor somewhere to say anything you want for the right fee. As ET has said, they are known to lawyers as “whores.” Cherry-picking to find the right “former abortionist” to say the right thing reminds me of the Irishman who, upon hearing that there were a dozen witnesses to his crime, offered to go out and find THIRTEEN people who had NOT seen him kill the man.

    “then I suggest YOU get yourself some of that education you prescribed for me.”

    Already did. Twelve years of it, followed by twenty-five of experience. You?

  3. I agree the government is better equipped to do some things better than private people can. However, when you use your physic powers to descern Romney’s motivations with a food drive, I wonder. He is a Mormon. its what they do. i read they also listed a phone line for donating money to the Red Cross etc. Bruce Springsteen used to have food drives at his concerts. Was it a promotional device for him also?

    you have given me the right to take liberties with Obama’s motivations. Mayor Bloomberg asked Obama not to visit New York City because he would be in the way. Using your powers of intuition, I know that Obama appeared for photo opportunities so the campaign could make him look presidential.

    Obama’s visit with Governor Christi was as effective as his watching the Benghazi attack on a West Wing monitor

    If you recall one of the most organized rescue efforts in New Orleans was conducted by Wal Mart. Some of our multinational companies are as large as governments.

  4. The Drudge Report has a picture of New Yorkers raiding a dumpster. Other linked headlines tell of dire conditions with little or no help seen. The disaster is overwhelming our government and private sector. Too many people should have kept a reserve of food and water.

    I have mentioned the Carington Effect a super sun spot which could destroy electric transmissions for weeks or months. Imagine how much worse it would be.

  5. Ask the people of Hoboken, NJ, how terrific Obama is today. So I have one question for the press who is fawning over Obama and his greatness.

    What’s different now than Katrina? It’s still total chaos…can’t get fuel, 80% of the homes are without power. New York is demanding the federal government pay in full.

    And once again, mother nature wins. Good job Barry!

    Actually, I have another question? Where’s all the solar panels and windmills to save New Jersey and power it up? They’re running out of fuel, man! SAVE US OBAMA! SAVE US!

    This post was so bad, I didn’t finish it. I just want to mock the Obama supporters some more. This doesn’t look like a winning message from a winning team to me.

    Get a load of this. 😆

  6. The Washington Times reports a study based on census figures shows two thirds of the jobs went to legal and illegal immigrants during the Obama administration. Immigrants tend to be more mobile than natives.

    The British noted the same trend when Central Europeans migrated to the UK around 2004. If voters place more weight on Sandy than employment, Benghazi or other factors,,they deserve what they will get.

  7. That RNA that first replicated itself? I so badly want to ask you the methodology of creation. 🙂 That really would be off topic.

    Since Muffy has absolutely no problem taking up for herself and is asking you questions your substituting reality with flippancy and not much else, I’ll simply correct you on one point.

    Cherry-picking to find the right “former abortionist”

    No cherry picking necessary. There are dozens if not hundreds of “former women having an abortion” who now run mend crisis pregnancy centers. I know – I volunteered for one and provided monetary contribution for a time.

    But more than that, there are also national groups of former women who have had abortion and now wish to speak power to truth of the lasting damage. Here’s one:

    http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/about-us/

    I doubt these women are being coerced into forming organizations…

  8. And, oddly enough, I’ve heard it said, “I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”

    That would be the devoutly Christian Patrick Henry that spoke those words. Therefore Pfesser, he wouldn’t be credible – in fact, he may have been a fairy in the garden. 😉

  9. James, I thought I took great pains to say “the Romney campaign”. I don’t know Mitt’s personal motivation but the bottom line was the “relief drive” was ineptly executed (like his trip to Great Britain). And I’m damn sure based on the reporting that his handlers wanted photo-ops for him. Mitt should have issued a personal statement saying that he donated a million dollars to the Red Cross for hurricane relief and he encouraged all of his supporters to donate as much as possible. Then he should have kept his ass off the campaign trail for another day.

    But like Rabbit, you focus on the least important part of the entire piece. Nuking FEMA or reducing its budget is a BAD idea. Leading the folks of Ohio to believe their jobs are going to China is reprehensible.

  10. James the one thing that really knocks me out about Sandy is that the tragedy we face seems in direct proportion to our level of technological sophistication. With our electric grids, and generators and dams and who knows what else, we can still be slapped upside the head by Mother Nature and reduced to helplessness.

    It’s truly frightening.

    I think the most moving part of the whole thing was the fire fighters in New York unable to save their own neighborhood from fire because of all the flooding.

  11. Rutherford, the Romney campaign food drive was a cheap shot which made Obama vulnerable to the same as I demonstrated. Maybe I agree with some of the rest of what you wrote. I read several stories about Jeep jobs being sent to China, and now I have read they are not being sent there. Maybe the plans changed. I don’t know.

    I agree from your comments a long time ago that voters need to have IQ or knowledge tests, but of course that would be hard to do without stiffing voting rights.

    Yes, as the Carington Effect shows our technology is making us more vulnerable to disasters. Carrington was bad enough with telegraph lines frying and burning operators, but now, we would have New Jersey across the hemisphere or even the world. Imagine what would happen to nuclear power plants, for example if they had to rely on auxilary power for a year or so.

    I agree, it the fire fighters mad to be suffering emotionally.

  12. Something odd just happened. Our anti -virus protector surveyed us about the election. I think they are based in Hungry.

  13. You mentioned Romney’s faux pas in Great Britain, but remember Obama’s performance there was also less than steller. Some Brits are still miffed.

  14. Doc – oddly enough, it was your candidate of choice who said “life is the one political value higher than liberty.” But then, nobody’s perfect.

    “What or whom deserves protection under the law?”

    Well. A human being forming in the womb that is past the point of being identifiable as a male or female for one.

    ”The unfortunate truth is that you can get some doctor somewhere to say anything you want for the right fee.”

    That’s rich in irony. You present yourself as some kind of authority as a doctor, and an agenda-free one at that. Then you offer something as feeble as ‘you can’t trust every doctor,’ when a whole bunch of them – along with a variety of other abortion clinic workers – come forth and blow the whistle on the marketing of abortion not squaring with the practice (and the profit).

    ”You?”

    Terminal degree in my profession. I need to go to medical school to have an opinion on the abortion issue? That’s absurd.

  15. This post was so bad, I didn’t finish it. I just want to mock the Obama supporters some more. I am so lazy and ignorant I didn’t bother to finish the post. I would rather just mock Obama supporters.

    I fixed it for you. If you were an honest broker, there’s no way Romney would get your vote. Too filled with Obama-hate to know the difference.

    And once again, mother nature wins. She always does in the short term.

  16. Of course, come to think of it, even when you supposedly read the post, you almost never offer a point by point refute. It usually devolves to ad hominem within a comment or two.

  17. Cherry-picking to find the right “former abortionist”

    No cherry picking necessary. There are dozens if not hundreds of “former women having an abortion” who now run mend crisis pregnancy centers.

    Wow, you’re majoring in stupid tonight. An abortionist is not someone who has had an abortion. Your answer to PF is a complete non-sequiter.

  18. “Perhaps when you have flip-flopped back to your “I think we should compromise” position, that will make sense.”

    Give it a rest. I haven’t flipped on compromise. I’ve compromised until it hurt. There’s some ground that Roe v Wade claimed that I find objectionable. I have every right and an open invitation by the founding fathers to say so.

  19. Take this with a grain of salt Rutherford as opposed to whole heartedly and personally aimed at you… but….fuck you.!
    This post which I will revisit by Saturday and tear asunder is so full of shit is should come with a Charmin coupon.

  20. Maybe the plans changed. I don’t know.

    Dammit …. no the plans didn’t change. James, why are you so dead set on giving Romney and his cronies a pass? The truth tries to hit you over the head and you make excuses.

    HE LIED …. LIED LIED LIED LIED LIED. The Jeep jobs were NEVER going to China. It was a lie … a lie meant to scare voters and get their vote.

    As for the cheap shot on the food drive, if the motives for the food drive were pure, then goods purchased by the Romney staffers should not have been given to the audience to make them appear to be giving donations. That’s called deception. It’s called manufacturing a fictional photo-op. It’s wrong.

    People who don’t like Obama should simply stay home this year. Romney has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is NOT the alternative.

  21. This post which I will revisit by Saturday and tear asunder is so full of shit is should come with a Charmin coupon.

    That is one of the most creative put downs I’ve ever read. Kudos! 😆

  22. ” Romney has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is NOT the alternative.”

    Unfortunately, the media snubbed the candidates that are alternatives. Obama and Romney is what we get when we let the media choose our representatives. 😛

  23. I fixed it for you. If you were an honest broker, there’s no way Romney would get your vote. Too filled with Obama-hate to know the difference.

    That is parody, right?

    Why would Romney not get my vote? Matter of fact, why would any candidate opposed to Obama not get my vote? ABO2012.

    Obama, our post racial President who would transform us into utopia and love Imagine there’s no heaven, has been the most derisive President to at least half this country in recent memory. Worse, Barry also been the most incompetent President of recent memory. Worst of all, he’s a train wreck of the most egregious of promises.

    If you want to see living abortion, look at the Obama regime. Obama could screw up a two car parade.

  24. People who don’t like Obama should simply stay home this year. Romney has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is NOT the alternative.

    This from the man who told us Romney was incapable, unlikable, and detached? *** GUFFAW ***

    All before in 90 minutes, Romney destroyed the toy messiah. And according to polling, the most devastating one side debate in Presidential history from the INCAPABLE man.

    Do you have any idea how much we enjoyed not just Obama getting his ass kicked in debate (told you so), but you eating dead crow with feathers included.

    And Rutherford the Hypocrite went strangely silent for four weeks. But now that Rutherford feels the election maybe slipping away, Rutherford has reverted back to Plan A.

    As if we wouldn’t remember the last six months.

  25. Wow, you’re majoring in stupid tonight. An abortionist is not someone who has had an abortion. Your answer to PF is a complete non-sequiter.</blockquote?

    You mean non sequitur? 😉

    Let me tell you a "non-sequiter." Obama thinking “Secretary of Business” cabinet position is going to create jobs. 😆 😆 Back to platitudes and irrelevancy. The perfect way for Big 'O' to go out.

    What's next if Obama should win after Sec. of Business?

    Secretary of the Letter 'O'? Perhaps Sec. of the Letter 'J' for jobs?

    I've read of stupid statements before. But I haven't heard anything that stupid since I heard CORPSE MAN for times in front of the military from the toy messiah.

  26. At least Rutherford admits this was all trivial. That’s a lot of trivial, dog. Hell, might even meet the requirements of the iconic 500 word essay.

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    Speaking of charity, Sandy also gave Romney another opportunity to be opportunistic. On Tuesday as the horror of Sandy’s aftermath was revealed to the nation, Mitt Romney chose not to cancel a campaign event in Ohio but instead, in the most half-assed fashion, convert the event into a “storm relief event”. Because the decision to turn pure politics into charity was made at the last-minute, vestiges of politics remained, such as press passes emblazoned with “victory rally” and a campaign video displayed to the audience on a jumbo-tron, two things you wouldn’t expect to see at a charity event. Just to make sure that the intended purpose of the event was achieved, a photo-op of Romney taking action, the campaign hedged its bets and bought supplies just in case the invited audience did not bring any donations. Then those participants who wanted to meet Mr. Romney were instructed to hand him their donation or take a campaign-bought donation and give that to Romney. Yes, you read that right. Rally participants were given campaign-purchased props to make it appear they were giving donations to Romney’s “relief effort”. So, again, Mitt tries to win public favor through lies and deception.
    In addition to the charity/campaign rally and its disingenuous image manipulation, a finer point emerged that the target of the donations, the Red Cross, is very clear that they prefer to receive money or blood donations, not supplies. Receiving supplies only adds to their logistical nightmares during a disaster. This was made evident in the Red Cross statement of thanks to the Romney campaign for their effort:
    “The American Red Cross appreciates the support from the Romney campaign and is working with the campaign to process this donation of supplies,” Ann Marie Borrego, a Red Cross spokeswoman, said in a statement. “We are grateful that both the Obama and Romney campaigns have also encouraged the public to send financial donations to the Red Cross. We encourage individuals who want to help to consider making a financial donation or making an appointment to give blood.” — from a CNN report.
    Notice that Ms. Borrego doesn’t encourage folks to send canned goods. I have read some bloggers point out that some organizations like the Salvation Army do accept supplies. That’s all well and good but Romney didn’t target the Salvation Army. He targeted the Red Cross. Why didn’t his staff research the Red Cross preference? Why didn’t they call the Red Cross and ask “how can we help”? They didn’t do it because that would not have provided the good photo-op. Imagine photos of folks lining up to give Mitt Romney cash and checks! Not the image he wanted floating around a week from election day.

  27. Rutherford, it is impolite to “yell”. I looked it up. Bloomberg News reported that Fiat, the majority owner of Chrysler was planning to build more Jeeps in China after a halt since 2009.Fiat plans to add production sites in China without sending US production over there.

    Several blogs misreported or misunderstood the article and said the Jeep production would be transferred to China.I think the Romney campaign wanted to believe the jobs were transferred to China and bought the misrepresented version to make political points.

    Therefore, I don’t think the campaign decided to lie with a concocted story, because they are smart enough to know it would do more damage than it was worth. More likely, the ad was a sloppy piece of work which should never happened. It was a lie, but not a damned lie.

    It is in the same class as Obama’s promise that the unemployment rate would fall to 5%.

    Everyone knows I don’t like Obama. I will accept your word that the campaign played fast and loose with the donated food for its advantage, but that is a minor point compared to Benghazi, the economy and Fast and Furious.You know how stupid it would be to vote for someone with no chance to beat Obama or to stay home. My parents didn’t raise a fool.

  28. I belong to Vietnam Veterans of America. The president discovered I never got a medal that was due me, and he is working to undo the injustice. It is not a silver star or some other notable award. I’m going to get a Good Conduct medal,.I’m so proud.

    As you wrote, may the better man win, but the way things are going the next campaign will start after Christmas.

  29. “This is quintessential Obama. When it serves his purpose to be the guy in charge (Sandy), even if no real duties are involved, he’s all over the TV. When actual governance and detailed attention to national security are at issue, someone else is “responsible” when things go wrong.” –Jennifer Rubin

  30. Ha. Good Conduct Medal…….I had a better chance of earning a Purple Heart in 1990’s Iceland then one of those.

  31. I’m thinking about becoming a bone marrow donor. Seems to me this is something that should be done by those of us who aren’t pussies under 45 years of age.

    I really think more people would do it if they understood how crucial it is.

    Tex and Pfessor….thoughts?

    By the way…..I don’t have apnea!

  32. Unfortunately, the media snubbed the candidates that are alternatives.

    Terrant you’re absolutely right. The duopoly is making a mockery of our political system.

  33. This from the man who told us Romney was incapable, unlikable, and detached? *** GUFFAW ***

    Yup, I was and am right. Well, in the words of Obama, “he’s likable enough.” 🙂

  34. James, you are right about the yelling.

    I can grant you that Romney’s original claim on the stump which he said he “read somewhere” could have been from a mistaken article. But once the truth was known, his campaign went ahead with an ad that left the impression that Jeep production would be moved. Romney’s original lie could be chalked up to sloppiness. The ad doesn’t get that excuse.

  35. Muffy … plain dumb and beneath your usual standard. First, folks not filled with Obama-hate actually appreciate it when the POTUS visits a disaster area to offer comfort. Second he had the head of FEMA in toe and instructed him to follow up on certain things he observed while there. Third, your Obama attack dog openly praised him for his support.

    Like many of us, Jennifer Rubin needs a rest.

  36. Rabbit congrats on not having apnea. I’m under the impression that bone marrow donation hurts like hell. More power to you.

    P.S. If you don’t have apnea, why aren’t you getting a restful sleep? What is the doc’s next step in helping you?

  37. DR –
    Congrats on the no-apnea dx.

    re: bone marrow donation. Sorry, I don’t have any info at all on that. My sister-in-law had bone marrow drawn recently and said it wasn’t all that bad. I think it depends on whether the draw-er uses adequate anesthesia. That would be a good conversation to have before the procedure, I would think. LOL

    re: poor sleep. I have had best results via bicycling on a >5days/week basis. ditto karate. Weight-lifting got me tired but didn’t help sleep very much. Love coffee, so that doesn’t help matters much; consider that also.

    Oftentimes mysterious poor-sleep is traced to a spouse who snores and disrupts your REM, but either doesn’t wake you up or you forget it. Especially common if the spousal unit is overweight and/or sleeps on her back. (You might want to approach that one delicately. LOL)

    R – it is looking like Romney may beat Obama. What are you hearing?

  38. I agree, Rutherford, Romney did a bad thing with the Jeep ad. It is also stupid, because the truth comes out. However, Obama is still covering for what happened the night Benghazi fell, and that is worse.

  39. Yes, Rabbit,congratulations on not having sleep apnea. And as Rutherford wrote more power to you for considering a bone marrow transplant.

    Re your Iceland and purple heart comment. “you are a bad motor scooter and a mean go getter.” That is a complement.

  40. Some Republicans are angry because Chris Christie met with and praised Obama. Several theorize the Governor is maneuvering to run in 2016 after and if Romney is defeated this time.

    Hot Air has another theory. Christi was trying to get to Bruce Springsteen because the Boss refuses to acknowledge his existence.Christi is a super fan.

    Springsteen praised the Governor for his hard work this week. Mission Accomplished.

    I have had tinintinitis in my left ear after a baseball hit me when I was in school. I still have a lump behind my ear. I get a good sleep with the radio on, though Coast to Coast sometimes wakes me.

  41. muffy opined:
    “oddly enough, it was your candidate of choice who said “life is the one political value higher than liberty.” But then, nobody’s perfect.”

    He’s not MY candidate – he’s A candidate. And, if he said that, his statement self-evidently proves that, indeed, nobody’s perfect.

    ‘What or whom deserves protection under the law?’

    “Well. A human being forming in the womb that is past the point of being identifiable as a male or female for one.”

    So identifiability as a boy or girl is now the standard? I have to say I’ve never heard of THAT one. So when is that, second month, third? How do you do the test? Look for a pee-pee? Microscope? If so, what power magnification? How do you do that without destroying the pregnancy? How many observers, and what if they disagree? Amniocentesis and chromosomal karyotyping? What if you accidentally induce an abortion by your amnio – did you commit murder? The easy answers aren’t as easy as they seem, are they?

    ‘The unfortunate truth is that you can get some doctor somewhere to say anything you want for the right fee.’

    “That’s rich in irony. You present yourself as some kind of authority as a doctor, and an agenda-free one at that. Then you offer something as feeble as ‘you can’t trust every doctor,’ when a whole bunch of them – along with a variety of other abortion clinic workers – come forth and blow the whistle on the marketing of abortion not squaring with the practice (and the profit).”

    There are 300 million people in the US alone, hundreds of thousands of doctors. Are you saying that you can’t find at least one – or a dozen – doctors whose opinion squares with your own – particularly for the right fee? Your opinion of your fellow man is higher than mine.

    ‘You?’

    “Terminal degree in my profession. I need to go to medical school to have an opinion on the abortion issue? That’s absurd.”

    Of course you don’t need a medical degree, but if you are going to be so dogmatic about a topic, then you should have at least a fundamental understanding of what you are talking about. Not a single one of your posts suggests that you have even a modicum of real information on the mechanics of abortion – or pregnancy, for that matter – just the politics.

    But don’t feel lonesome; nearly all of your “pro-life” compadres are in the same boat.

  42. Rabbit, how did you get yourself tested for apnea? I had a friend that went in for observation in a hospital. I’d be curious how they do it.

    And like Pfesser, I don’t know much about bone marrow transplants. My oldest daughter’s best friend’s father is actually an oncologist that specializes in bone marrow transplants. I’m pretty friendly with Dr. Joe. Plus baby girl is working down at Anderson Medical Center – probably the premier oncology hospital in the world.

    If you got questions, bet she could get you information.

    I think you’ve still got my home email. If you don’t, Rutherford has got my permission to share it with you.

  43. Rutherford, you didn’t answer my question yesterday.

    How is NJ and different than New Orleans at this moment? You stooges from the Left keep fawning over Obama’s appearance and Christie’s hard work, but it still as big a mess as New Orleans was.

    People digging dumpsters to eat, no fuel, no potable water, people living on the street, the Red Cross an unmitigated disaster…

    It’s very easy to criticize George Bush. But when push comes to shove, Barack Obama has performed equally as bad, and probably worse with respect to these disasters.

    That is the opinion of Louisianans with respect to the BP oil spill.

  44. Rutherford, Rubin’s commentary on the quintessential Obama was right on. Obama is not even “participating” in the investigation into the Benghazi disaster, according to Carney. If it benefitted him he would be boasting instead of dodging.

    He’s a coward, not to mention an opportunist when it suits him and the invisible man when that behooves him.

    If he wins we’ll see how long his best behavior act lasts. I’m sure he has a plan for all that flexibility if for nothing else.

  45. The content of this post, the last before an election we’ve been anticipating and Rutherford believes he has the ability to influence through his undying support of The Great Charlatan, since 2009, is truly revealing.

    As Nicholson said in the movie by the same name, is this as good as it gets?

    The unfortunate answer is, “that’s all we got.”

    Tuesday can’t come soon enough.

  46. Carville criticized the president for being “lackadaisical” and “naïve,” and seeming like they’re “inconvenienced” by the gulf oil spill.

    Tingles Matthews said Obama was “acting a little like a Vatican Observer.”

    “The President scares me,” he said. “When is he actually going to do something? And I worry; I know he doesn’t want to take ownership of it. I know politics. He said the minute he says, ‘I’m in charge,’ he takes the blame, but somebody has to. It’s in our interest.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/21/obama-faces-new-wave-of-c_n_585620.html

    On a related note, Peggy Noonan on how far Obama has fallen (I wish I could do what she does so well) –

    “It is one thing to think you’re Lebron. Its another thing to keep missing the basket and losing games and still think you’re Lebron.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

  47. Doc, your candidate of choice this election Dr. Paul is infinitely more qualified than you to speak on the subject of abortion and you two could not be further apart in your conclusions.

    The sex of the fetus – you’re such a little show-off. You asked me a question and I answered it. And I’ll do it again. That might not be your style but it is mine.

    I didn’t say and don’t believe I gave an easy answer. I told you I compromised until it hurt. Others focus on different milestones to move the negotiations along. You find fault with my starting point, I get that. Do you have anything else to offer?

    On other doctors selling out – your argument is too weak to bother with any longer. It boils down to the last refuge of the losing end of a dispute – everybody else is lying. But not you, right?

    Dogmatic – perhaps some of my faith enters into the conclusions I draw. Even Dr. Paul suggests that possibility with regard to his own political positions. Biden on the other hand gives tongue to successfully separating his two selves and wins Rutherford’s praise for articulating what it TRULY means to be pro choice. 😆 Old Honest Joe. A regular George Washington. In any case, I learn and listen to qualified, experienced people – just not you.

    I don’t feel lonesome on the subject of abortion, just sad. And your petty personal takedown at the end of your rebuttal is merely you being just as clueless about the subject of your scorn (me this time) as most of your comments ‘round these parts indicate that you are in general.

    You haven’t proved a thing on the topic of abortion, personhood, faith, or anything else for that matter. Rutherford might stroke you a bit in return for your brownnosing him around here, but the truth is you’re mostly just a self-aggrandising know-it-all, a legend in your own mind, and not much more. An expert on counting breaths taken by strangers on a plane.

  48. Tigre, win or loss Tuesday – and the win would only satisfy me temporarily to rub it the face of the toads of the Gimmidat Party and Benghazi Barry for their decade of arrogance, our nation is in serious trouble.

    It is a disgrace that this race is even close.

    A pox on our nation that a man like Barack Obama, inexperienced and incompetent, a charlatan, a liar, and a thug, is still mentioned in the same breath as the ‘Leader of the Free World.’ Whatever Obama is, the one thing he most assuredly is not is leader.

    Frankly and I mean this sincerely, it is embarrassing to me. That alone tells me instead of a beacon on the hill, we rest in the sewer with the rest of the world.

    Our economy is in the toilet; our markets not driven by fundamentals but by political gimmick;our healthcare taken over by the same folk who planned ambassador security in Libya, the IRS to enforce; one out of two at or near poverty in this country; our children’s futures mortgaged which can’t be repaid; drug abuse and teenage suicide endemic; our public schools a joke; political correctness run amok; a dearth of leadership and taxed to death at the local level; divided and broken; half dependent on a feckless government; a foreign policy that has no purpose or direction; a legal system I believe corrupt to the core when taken in the aggregate, one person in robe with a personal agenda able to nix an entire vote by the populace.

    All of those indicators of a society in decline – perhaps not a slow decline either.

    I think Romney will win Tuesday, though I admit that not a terribly confident estimation, perhaps more a conceit and wishful thinking as I have no confidence of a vote being tabulated accurately or fairly. Even this early voting bothers me greatly – how many mistakes and fraud does that allowance lend?

    I have zero confidence in half this country to live the right way, do the right thing, make the right choices, conduct themselves responsibly and honestly.

    If I were President, how do I manage a country where I believe half the country too helpless to help themselves, too corrupted to be corrected, too immoral to know right from wrong? And I willingly admit, many of them will fill in the Romney circle too.

  49. Jenifer Rubin is writes the truth.

    Pundit and Pundet describes the indecision and incompentance Obama’s team showed that night. The successful attack has revealed us to be a weak horse, and our enemies are likely planning anther surprise for us.

  50. Muffy, 😈

    Have I ever told you how many times I’ve found you quite clever in argument?

    I need to learn the nuances of cutting slowly with a box knife instead of immediately picking up the 20lbs sledge to do battle. Perhaps that is what makes women so appealing to me. My wife can do that too. All smart women seem to have that gift I’ve observed.

    That’s a real talent that I apparently don’t have the patience for in argument. But it is quite effective – perhaps more effective than simply throwing a grenade into the room like I do and walking in to see who got the blunt of the blast. More painful to bleed them out than to be smashed through the wall I suppose.

    If we were picking debate sides, I would have a difficult time choosing you or Tigre first to join me.

  51. Oh you’d be a fool not to take Tigre.

    I rather like your style and would choose it for myself if I could.

    In a few minutes I’ll be heading over to Chinatown to put in a vote for Romney/Ryan. Just once I’d like to live in a red state during an election. Just once.

  52. “Since we only borrow earth for the short time we are here, we can’t own it. We can’t possess it, We have it while we are staying here, When we go, our children will need a home, and their children yet to come will need a home. Every decision we make we have to think of the consequences, not only in the nearest decade but for at least four generations–at least 200 years forward.

    As we all know, this way of thinking is not the only way. When will the government start respecting us? When we are already gone? I don’t want my children to read about me in a museum. I’d like to see a change before I leave this earth.”

    Sami-Swedish singer Sofia Jannok spoke during a performance in India last winter.

    I can imagine Romney or especially Ryan saying this but not Obama or Biden.

  53. Muffy, you didn’t ask for this. But I for some strange reason feel the need to say this.

    Tigre and Rabbit are the kinds of guys I grew up with. Even though they’re Yankees and I’m a Redneck, we invariably come to the same basic conclusions, have the same interests. Pretty sure we’d all be buds outside the confines of the room, because what you pick up on in conversation reads like your chosen friends sound in the real world.

    But women offer something unique to the discussion that my male friends can’t, just as God intended. 😉

    When I go looking for advice, I may run it by my male cronies. But ultimately, I seek the wise counsel of my wise wife. And to the best of my knowledge, not once in 25 years have I found her suggestions not to be spot on, even in those situations where I did just the opposite.

    I kill spiders and shit for her, get the oil changed in her car, install her faucets, clean up after the pets, and keep her house safe and dry. She in turn, keeps me out of harm’s way, seems to be capable of taming the beast, feeds me, is the best mother in the entire world in my estimation. Why this wonderful woman chose me is still a mystery in my estimation. Why she tolerates me and still loves me is nothing short of supernatural. As you can tell, I adore her. She may be the only person in this entire world I completely adore.

    Let me put it this way. I’m pretty close to my daughters. They are the apple of my eye and my joy is their successes. Occasionally, my children will ask me a question about career, finance or school – maybe a call about how to jump their dead battery or which tires to buy. But mom is the beating heart of this family. Everything is filtered through her and she is the soul of this house – the one irreplaceable part; the reason my children have turned out well. I’m sure my children would miss me should something happen. But mom? Everybody’s life, and I do mean everybody affiliated with this family from my kids to my own parents, would be left with a hole than cannot be filled.

    The bottom line is this. Smart men appreciate women as an intricate part of the successful equation of life. That is why Islam is so weak – they’re only playing with half a deck and rest of the deck is 26 jokers of allah. Same goes with China and the rest of that inbred part of the world.

    Women cheat themselves when they short sell femininity – stupid women try to be like men. And I haven’t met a woman yet I considered happy that didn’t like being a woman first.

  54. How’s the hopey-changey thing working out for you? Unemployment rises to 7.9%

    And jobs added exceeded expectation … 171,000 instead of 125,000. And if you did your homework you’d know that is exactly how I would respond.

    Please let this election be over soon so I can be done with your inanity.

  55. The Romney Ad re auto jobs. LISTEN TO IT:

    The Romney campaign makes it quite clear that a company which is majority owned by FIAT is going to make cars /Jeeps in China. Whether it is to implied or inferred etc that this means Romney foresees Ohio job losses is not the point of the ad.

  56. I am very much a big picture guy. The big picture regards the auto industry in Ohio is that the majority of it isn’t directly due to GM and/or Chrysler. One of the more successful auto manufacturers in Ohio is in fact Honda.

  57. Rabbit, how did you get yourself tested for apnea? I had a friend that went in for observation in a hospital. I’d be curious how they do it.

    Tex, my wife went in for a sleep study. They hook you up to all sorts of biofeedback .. kinda like EKG nodes all over the body plus a mask that does not push air, but simply measures inhale and exhale.

    I would imagine Rabbit’s experience was similar. In my wife’s case, it was cool that the hospital rented out a hotel suite and used that for their sleep center which makes the patient feel a lot more natural than doing it in a hospital. She is a major snorer. I think the study had her NOT breathing at least 100 times during the night … severe apnea.

  58. The “scandal” of the Romney campaign purchasing $5,000 worth of items really has the lefties all twisted undies wise. They all seem to be looking past that the monitors that showed the video also showed messages about cash donations to the ARC.
    In related news folks also seem to be bashing Paul Ryan’s comment about donating blood.
    In the BIG picture way this is all crazy. People do what they can and often do it to feel good.
    Aid organizations lose assets when they respond to an incident. So when all things go to location A from B-Z it isn’t such a horror show that donations in B-Z given in the hope and spirit that it helps A actually keeps the whole alphabet stocked.
    I’m actually pretty saddened by Rutherfords total embrace of the kind of idiocy going on that in cases of it being Obama-centric he’d rail against.

  59. I’ll be back on Sat. regards FEMA. I’m actually shocked by the lefts nationwide stupidity and hypocrisy on this one. Basically though anyone who thinks FEMA is all that and not deserving a hair cut isn’t in touch with reality.

  60. How is NJ and different than New Orleans at this moment?

    I wasn’t a major critic of Bush regarding Katrina except for the very dumb “heckuva job Brownie” remark. Kinda like “mission accomplished” .. Bush had a tendency for premature celebration.

    Disasters are a b*tch. You do the best you can AND you control the optics as much as you can. Bush hurt himself with the flyover. He needed to be on the ground. As I think I said to Muffy, people who are hurting appreciate a visit from the POTUS. Bloomberg got a slight black eye for telling Obama to stay away. From a morale POV, his presence at that devastated fire fighter’s neighborhood would have helped. Ironically, it was the storm that pushed Bloomberg over the brink to endorse Obama.

    Kanye West was a fool.

    P.S. While we’re on the subject, I am curious about something. Why ARE we only hearing about the Red Cross? Where is the Salvation Army and other charitable organizations right now?

  61. Where is the Salvation Army and other charitable organizations right now?
    On the front lines operating shelters and mobile kitchens. They really aren’t the media whores the ARC are. In fairness they don’t get the nod as much because of the religious angle I think. There are also a number of other faith based entities rocking the show in NY/NJ. Many denominations counted amongst them. Good stuff. Classic 1950’s Americana stuff.

  62. Disasters are a bitch and is why POTUS’s should stay away. The security and logistics realities outweigh the benefits of feel good symbolism. Case in point with Sandy is the inane decision to go ahead with the NYC Marathon. On the flip side the efforts of Springsteen,Bon Jovi,Joel and others going with the benefit fundraiser… that is good stuff.

  63. Before FEMA hit the ground, 150 high flying Southern Baptists from Tulsa, OK with chainsaws in hand were ready to go to work in NJ, and even rode out the storm for logistical reasons.

    Why do I say this? Because Rutherford, real heroes and volunteers don’t toot their own horn and seldom get mentioned by the national press.

    You can be assured the Salvation Army and Catholic Charities are serving thousands of meals as I write.

    And they do it every day.

  64. Just for kicks for anyone really bored this weekend. Go to a Chrysler dealership and check out where a majority of the MOPAR stuff is made. [hint] it ain’t Ohio

  65. Rutherford believes he has the ability to influence through his undying support

    You do overestimate my ego. I don’t really think I can influence anyone … the cake is mostly baked. I guess it’s more a matter of saying what needs to be said before it is too late.

    Tuesday can’t come soon enough.

    Amen to that.

  66. Why does anyone, and I mean anyone, like Michael Bloomberg? He’s despicable and odious.

    If I were a New Yorker, and there were generations running in Central Park for a marathon when there are people defecating in apartment hallways without potable water across the harbor, I would be building a raft and preparing tar and feathers. We would be having us a miniature barbeque.

    I have never seen a more fascist POS in a position of leadership, in my country in my life. Banning salt, the size of drinks, playing overload and nanny. Changing the rules to run a third term.

    Good grief. I knew NYC was the worst in many ways of what America had to offer, but I never realized the degree.

  67. I see not much has changed here. The books are no longer cooked because the unemployment number went up. 🙂

    Guess I’ll see you guys Tuesday. Hopefully you won’t insist those numbers are cooked too.

  68. The government still owns 31.94% of GM. GM will start building the Cadillac XTS, CTS, and ATX in China. Who is outsourcing our jobs at tax payer expense?

  69. If it means anything thor I think the numbers process is sick no matter where you stand politically. BLS math geeks,bless their little hearts are really just wasting time and money.

  70. OK Muffy … some truth in advertising … Matthews criticized the President, Carville did not. He criticized the administration and from my take on it, his focus was the EPA.

    I’m also amused by you conservatives who cry in your pretzels when Obama doesn’t treat “business” with respect but in this case, when BP was given latitude to clean up their own mess (at their own expense) suddenly Obama is at fault. Muffy, you’ve evolved (or my perception has improved) from a fair dealer to another anti-Obama propagandist. The man could drop unemployment to 4% tomorrow and you’d say he did it too fast.

    P.S. Peggy Noonan is for the most part, insufferable. And it would not receive a single Republican vote in the House (three in the Senate), which was bad for Washington, bad for our politics. It was a catastrophic victory. It did say there was a new boss in town. But it also said the new boss was out of his league. Good of Peggy to mention the recalcitrant GOP that started on day one with unanimous opposition of this President, intent on bringing him down. Of course, Peggy, partisan hack that she is, would not take note of that. The GOP being assholes was Obama’s fault … out of his league.

    Or maybe, conversely, they’ll think he failed to slow the oceans’ rise. And then the obligatory ignorant remark about climate change.

    Peggy is a washed up former speech writer, convinced of her own high intellect with no one having the guts to tell her she is full of sh*t. I’m STILL waiting to see her on a talk show actually LOOK at the person she’s talking to. She doesn’t because she is so in love with the sound of her own voice.

  71. Tex, if you had a choice between me and Muffy, you’d be like Rothenstein with the PD in My Cousin Vinny after the “I got no more use for this guy” cross examination of the grit-cooking witness: “You’re fired. I want [her]!”

    Muffy is the most sober and cogent out of the whole lot of us. #54 is priceless.

  72. Rutherford might stroke you a bit in return for your brownnosing him around here

    Mmmmm I’m not sure whether I’m defending PF or myself here but …. he doesn’t stroke me that much. In fact, outside of being pro-choice and a religious skeptic, he agrees with me about just about nothing.

  73. and the win would only satisfy me temporarily to rub it the face of the toads of the Gimmidat Party

    Ahhhhhh there’s the setup folks … Tex setting the stage for continued b*tching even after Romney wins … and then the endless “Romney inherited a POS from Obama” … we’ll hear that excuse for the next four years … and Tex will be completely blind to the irony of it all.

    I have no confidence of a vote being tabulated accurately or fairly. That applies of course ONLY if Obama wins. If Romney wins, our elections were clean as a whistle. The best part is Tex talks as if we live in Iraq or Russia.

  74. Peggy is a washed up former speech writer, convinced of her own high intellect with no one having the guts to tell her she is full of sh*t. I’m STILL waiting to see her on a talk show actually LOOK at the person she’s talking to. She doesn’t because she is so in love with the sound of her own voice.

    You’re not even consistent in your regard of criticism. Four years ago, you went on and on about how fair and special Noonan, Brooks, Frum and Buckley’s son were. How insightful they were, because Obama was was was special.

    IMO, Muffy hasn’t changed a bit. It’s you that has changed and your perceptions of fairness. Now that Obama might happen to lose and you’re in panic mode taking this real personal, anything not pro Obama is blasphemy.

  75. perhaps more effective than simply throwing pulling the pin on a grenade into the room and dropping it on my own foot like I do

    I fixed it for you. BTW, if you pick Tigre, you have to teach him English first or get a good legaleze-to-English translator. 😉

  76. I’m not setting up anything. You’re as useful an idiot as Thor is. I was just noting the long term failures of liberalism. Thor is simply a better rounded propagandist than you.

    Here Thor. I don’t think 7.8% or 7.9% matters either way. They’re both cooked. Its a game just like QE1, QE2 and QE3 are unmitigated manipulation.

    Unemployment is much, much, much higher than 8.0%. There’s no telling how many millions aren’t even being included in those statistics.

    We have one in two American families living at or near poverty in this country. Don’t give me your horseshit about the successes of Obama.

    If that ain’t ABJECT FAILURE in conjunction with $6,000,000,000,000 in debt and nothing to show for it, then we should wipe failure from the dictionary as outdated and no longer relevant.

    You libs have reaped what you’ve sown since the days of the Great Society. Millions upon millions incapable of caring for themselves. And it has made the country unmanageable.

    All I really want for Christmas is you clowns to head your separate way and get the hell entirely and completely out of my life, my family’s life, my friend’s lives, never to be heard from again.

  77. Why do these conservative eggheads play so loose with language? Krauthammer is probably one of the best voices around and yet he spouts nonsense like “Clinton abolished welfare”. Ehhh no he didn’t. He enacted welfare reform.

    But he is almost right about the choice. This election is about “government is with you” vs “you’re on your own you f*cking slacker”.

  78. In a few minutes I’ll be heading over to Chinatown to put in a vote for Romney/Ryan. Just once I’d like to live in a red state during an election. Just once.

    Don’t sweat it Muffy. Just be happy in the thought that you are nullifying my vote today. 😉

  79. That is why Islam is so weak

    Damn, you were doing so well and then you had to f*ck it up.

    Tex, your Christian inspired country only gave women the right to vote in the 1920’s.

    Damn, there I was reading a great tribute to wife and daughter and then you had to stray off the reservation into your totally self-blind assessment of other’s religions.

  80. Yup Tex, The Night Chicago Died is early 70’s, What is funny is I first heard the song through my dad who would listen to the radio during his commute and come home singing songs he couldn’t identify by name. That was one of them. The other was “I Have a Dream” by ABBA. Took us a long time to find out which song that was.

  81. Well Alfie, if the Salvation Army and other faith based relief orgs are helping, shame on the media for not covering it. The one area where Tex etal will get no argument from me regarding religion is when they come to the aid of the needy.

  82. Alfie, yeah … I don’t get why the marathon is still a go under the circumstances. I’m hearing they hope it will actually generate some charitable contributions. But I agree it’s a logistical nightmare that gets in the way of getting people real relief.

    As for POTUS visits, Christie who is a meat and potatoes guy (no fat joke intended) seemed very appreciative of Obama’s visit.

  83. Four years ago, you went on and on about how fair and special Noonan, Brooks, Frum and Buckley’s son were.

    Your memory is faulty. I have sung the praises of Frum many times. I wouldn’t doubt I’ve made a passing note of praise for Brooks and Buckley’s son, the latter not even on the scene in any big way so I don’t know why you mentioned him. I’ve never been a fan of Peggy although I confess I’m delighted at how disappointed she is with Romney. 🙂

  84. Muffy, would you do me a favor? Sometimes the boys can’t do justice to “women’s” issues and our ongoing Christian War on women. Never mind it was two WOMEN who Jesus first introduced his resurrected self too and last I saw, we all pretty much hold MARY, MAGDALENE, ESTHER, RUTH, SARAH in high regard.

    Tex, your Christian inspired country only gave women the right to vote in the 1920′s.

    Can you explain the difference to Rutherford these savage Christian countries vs. the rest of the world with respect to the way women are treated?

    There’s really no need for me to discuss caste systems (Hindu, Buddhism, Shinto), gender selective abortion (atheist), burkas, driving privileges, no schools, pain administrators (Islam), genitalia mutilation (Nihilism, pantheism, Islam).

  85. Thor doesn’t visit often but when he does….

    ….He’s at least got the sense to cut and run before savaged for his insidious lies and propaganda, unlike the blog owner.

  86. “There’s really no need for me to discuss caste systems (Hindu, Buddhism, Shinto), gender selective abortion (atheist), burkas, driving privileges, no schools, pain administrators (Islam), genitalia mutilation (Nihilism, pantheism, Islam).”

    You seem to have forgotten agnostics and deists. What horrible things have they done?

  87. I’m sure Christie is grateful for Obama’s visit. It accomplishes nothing except help raise moral,but moral is important.. Such a visit tells survivors the government is aware of the problem. Obama only cares about certain people. He couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge our flood.

    As Rutherford wrote, Bush took undeserved blame for the aftermath of Katrina. Local officials were largely at fault, and the news media transferred the local politicians’ short comings to the administration. Brownie did not do a heck of a job, and Bush’s flyover was a public relations failure though he was being considerate of the rescue workers and didn’t want to get in the way.

    I’m not saying our flood was as destructive as Sandy, because the hurricane was a combination of generalized tornado damage and flooding combined with some areas of heavy snow. Our flood also came in slow motion. However, our region had few of the problems associated with the aftermath of Sandy.

    Looters were scarce, no one posted signs pleading for government help, and people took care of each other. They banded together to build dikes and to rescue their neighbors. Many people moved to camp grounds or shelters.

    Even if the recovery is mismanaged, placing too much blame or credit on Obama is as misplaced as was criticism of Bush. I think the difference between the Heartland’s and North East’s reactions is population density. If some event destroys our capacity to produce electricity or transfer food and water for weeks or months, the populous regions will become death traps.

    Rural people will organize, set up road blocks and steal from the urban refugees. Eventually if the food becomes too scarce, rural folks will eat the survivors of urban .desperation.

  88. Rutherford cannot cut and run because he is the blog owner with a crowd of obstreperous malcontents squatting in his virtual living room.

  89. There’s really no need for me to discuss caste systems (Hindu, Buddhism, Shinto), gender selective abortion (atheist), burkas, driving privileges, no schools, pain administrators (Islam), genitalia mutilation (Nihilism, pantheism, Islam).

    You sly dog … you just did.

    I can see it now:

    Resurrected Jesus: “Hey Gals, I’m the resurrected Jesus.”

    Gal #1: “Yeah right. Take a hike.”

    Gal #2: “Well at least that was the most imaginative pick-up line we’ve ever received!”

  90. He’s at least got the sense to cut and run before savaged for his insidious lies and propaganda, unlike the blog owner.

    You realize, that made no sense, right? If the blog owner cut and run, there would be no blog … and THEN where would you be? This is the only liberal place on the net where you don’t have to resort to constant proxy changes. 🙂

  91. Comparing the suffragettes’ struggle to get the vote with gender apartheid exceeds the bounds of reason. Even speaking of gender equality from a religious or a cultural, secular standpoint is dangerous for women. Life-threatening.

  92. This is the only liberal place on the net where you don’t have to resort to constant proxy changes. 🙂

    Well, since Jim Dugan passed, I can’t argue with that point. 😀

    Here, I found this special for you:

  93. Comparing the suffragettes’ struggle to get the vote with gender apartheid exceeds the bounds of reason

    Not in the deluded world where Rutherford Pan resides. Selective abortion, female genital mutilation (FGM), beatings and burkas, and only a hundred years of voting rights.

    One and the same. Rutherford and Thor specialize in moral relativism.

  94. Obama only cares about certain people. He couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge our flood.

    I guess I’m a bit confused James. You seem to point out that Nebraska and nearby parts have smaller populations combined with a do-it-yourself culture that doesn’t scream out a need for special attention beyond some basic empathy. You fault Obama for not visiting the midwest flood zones but in the same breath say that the folks out there didn’t raise the floods to the level of crisis … but rather handled it themselves.

    So I guess I’m not sure what it is you want.

  95. Is it too much to ask that we have some empathy for the women that don’t live here that are subjugated beyond imagining before we get all bent out of shape about legislation that doesn’t even mean what the propagandists say it means?

    Lily Ledbetter has a nice ring to it, but it doesn’t equate to a war on women. And Sandra Fluke is not oppressed.

  96. ”OK Muffy … some truth in advertising … Matthews criticized the President, Carville did not. He criticized the administration and from my take on it, his focus was the EPA.”

    R, a minor point but Carville actually said, “The president doesn’t get down here in the middle of this… I have no idea of why they didn’t seize this thing,” Carville said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I have no idea of why their attitude was so hands off here.”

    “The president of the United States could’ve come down here, he could’ve been involved with the families of these 11 people” who died in the explosion, Carville said. “He could’ve demanded a plan in anticipation of this.

    It just looks like he’s not involved in this. Man, you got to get down here and take control of this, put somebody in charge of this thing and get this moving. We’re about to die down here.”

  97. You know, one of my favorite Obama claims to fame is the Lily Ledbetter Act – a meaningless piece of fluff that did nothing but sounds good. Like Cash for Clunkers.

    But here’s the great part. Obama’s own staff pays the women about 80% of what they pay the men. 😆

    There’s a part of me that can’t help but admire the unmitigated gall of these GimmeDats.

    You know. The kind of gall of attending celebrity fundraisers at $35,800 a crack, eating cavier and goat cheese, having the middle wages drop 8+% under your tutelage, and promising your working hard for the middle class. 😈

    Nobody has got bigger balls than Shelly Antoinette Obama in her rants.

  98. “Damn, there I was reading a great tribute to wife and daughter and then you had to stray off the reservation into your totally self-blind assessment of other’s religions.”

    Rutherford, that just shows how ignorant you are. It is different with me, because MINE is the One True God and all those others are just pretenders.

  99. Rutherford, i’m sorry for the length, but you asked, and you deserve a complete answer to understand. Obama campaigned twice in eastern Iowa., and both senators and our representative asked him to visit the flood zone to observe the extent of damage and to offer a little encouragement as he did in New Jersey a few days ago. . He also had time for the victims of Hurricane Irene, but not us..

    As I wrote before, a presidential visit is ceremonial and an acknowledgement that someone notices. I talked to friends on the east and west coasts, and their reaction was “what flood? You had a flood?” The resentment I have noticed here is not that Obama or the news media would have done anything for us, they would have acknowledged that we existed.

    Some network stories were reported not far from our home, and they described the drama of a towns’ being wiped out, but they soon lost interest. Obama’s visit would have attracted others’ attention with a little drama.

    This was a big deal. Far more water than fell during Hurricane Irene passed over a thousand miles down the Missouri River and its tributaries while the water in New England had a relatively short distance to flow to the ocean. Moreover, some of our land was inundated for five months, longer than in New England. Some fields had up to ten or twenty feet of sand or deep gullies, and they are still not farmable. Farmers are steadilly removing the sand,

    The flood broke an oil pipeline in Montana and another line about twelve miles north of our home.

    We did get insurance and government aid, and the destroyed highways and interstates were repaired fairly quickly, FEMA was helpful, but its regulations mandated a time limit for reporting damage. The land was flooded so long that home owners could not meet the deadline because they could not reach their homes. FEMA later extended the deadline.

    As an example of local initiutive, a farmer and retired Corps of Engineers hydraulic engineer remembered an abandoned dike at least sixty years old. Few even knew it existed. After getting approval from the Corps of Engineers and the state of Iowa, a band farmers and contractors worked in shifts for twenty four hours a day to rebuild the dike. it was over thirty miles long. They also worked at their own expense.

    The levee eventually burst as most expected it would, but it bought time for three towns and many farms. later, as the Missouri River began to fall, the water was deeper on the land side than the river side of the dike. The group asked permission to cut the dike, but the government refused or put them off with plans for long-term study. . After the Corps of Engineers told them the dike was out of their jurisdiction, they contacted a repuable explosives expert and with two minutes notice, they blew the levee.Many people were alarmed,and it was the lead story for local stations. Council Bluffs threatened to press charges,but they had no legal grounds.

    That”s how it is done in an emergency. Obama didn’t owe us a visit, but his refusal, made my dislike of him personal. Obama visited Sioux City this fall. Some protesters carried signs “where were you in the flood?”

  100. I know God exists. Marc Bolan knew he was ordained by God to be a rock star. The result of his prayers and determination was “Bang a Gong (Get it on) That was certainly God’s work.

  101. muffy opined:

    “Doc, your candidate of choice this election Dr. Paul is infinitely more qualified than you to speak on the subject of abortion”

    No he is not. His conclusions are informed by his religion, which make them by definition irrational.

    “The sex of the fetus – you’re such a little show-off.”

    No, I just can instantly identify someone who is talking our of her ass. You want to base abortion on being able to identify the sex of the fetus? – that is so far out in left field that it is not laughable – it is BEYOND laughable, and is shows that you know nothing – nothing concerning what you are talking about.

    “You asked me a question and I answered it. And I’ll do it again. That might not be your style but it is mine.”

    Yes you did, and revealed a lot more than you meant to do. Thanks for that.

    “Others focus on different milestones to move the negotiations along.”

    Like identifying the SEX OF THE FETUS? Right – next time you are getting the “terminal” degree in your field, take some biology classes to round out your social sciences courses.

    “You find fault with my starting point, I get that. Do you have anything else to offer?”

    I do not find fault with it – I find it ridiculous.

    “On other doctors selling out – your argument is too weak to bother with any longer. It boils down to the last refuge of the losing end of a dispute – everybody else is lying. But not you, right?”

    Let’s try this ONE more time: You can get any opinion you want if you look through enough people. Is that easy enough for you? I don’t know any smaller words, sorry. Best I can do.

    “Dogmatic”

    You bet.

    In any case, I learn and listen to qualified, experienced people – just not you.

    You LISTEN, Grasshopper, but you do not HEAR. (HT to Master Po)

    “Rutherford might stroke you a bit in return for your brownnosing him around here,”

    Tell you what, R and I’ll get ourselves a room when you and Tex release YOUR lip-lock; how’s that Sugar?

    “but the truth is you’re mostly just a self-aggrandising know-it-all, a legend in your own mind, and not much more.”

    If by that you mean that I don’t offer opinions on things of which I know nothing – well, I guess that’s where we differ.

    “An expert on counting breaths taken by strangers on a plane.”

    I thought that was pretty clever, myself.

  102. Rutherford, that just shows how ignorant you are. It is different with me, because MINE is the One True God and all those others are just pretenders.

    Correct. But I wasn’t aware YOU had seen the light of determining the One True God. The others? Not even pretenders – fairies in your garden.

    But this time we are not talking something you consider abstract but very concrete and very measurable. Cause and effect or just chance? I can make a good mathematical proof of the former.

    Show me a predominately atheistic country, a predominately Islamic country, a predominately Hindu country, a predominately Buddhist country or any other religion of your choice, where women are treated more equitably with men than predominately Judeo Christian countries and dinner is on me.

    Pfesser, I’ve been meaning to remind you of a couple of apparent disconnects in your reasoning, as if somehow people like Ms. Muffy and me are pretty unique and unqualified to debate with someone of your vast credential.

    Two small points.

    Patrick Henry was a devout Christian, with a belief in the one True God, referenced the Creator many times in the speech you quoted. Was Patrick Henry one of the unqualified too?

    In addition, you have on several occasions noted when considered in the aggregate, Jews rate the highest test scores on earth, and you have found them the most intelligent of all people.

    But Jews are by definition considered part of a “religious” nature, whether believing or not.

    Just a couple of points where your logic falls short of your claims and would appear to invalidate your criticism.

  103. Comparing the suffragettes’ struggle to get the vote with gender apartheid exceeds the bounds of reason.

    Only if you wish to ignore that Christians traditionally viewed women as inferior to men. Just like most patriarchal institutions. Again, if you live in a glass house, don’t throw a friggin’ stone.

  104. Pfesser, I myself would rather be lip locked with Muffy than Rutherford. I know this for a fact.

    I’m sorry for injecting I thought Muffy just schooled you, doctor or no doctor. I wasn’t the only one of that opinion, you’ll note. Don’t just single me out.

    P.S. – a karyotype is not necessary to determine gender in a standard genome. 🙂 That’s old school.

  105. Only if you wish to ignore that Christians blacks traditionally viewed women as inferior to men. Just like most patriarchal institutions.

    Still do. 😐

    See how that works, Bitch and Ho?

  106. Dammit Tex. Enclose, enclose

    Only if you wish to ignore that Christians blacks traditionally viewed women as inferior to men. Just like most patriarchal institutions.

    Still do. 😐

    See how that works, Bitch and Ho?

  107. Muffy, I believe the original Carville comments you posted were from a different appearance (CNN?). Thanks for the additional citation.

    Still, you seem imprecise as to when Obama should and should not step into a business crisis. BP caused an environmental/health crisis. The auto industry failure would have caused a catastrophic employment crisis. You seem to favor intervention for one and not the other.

    Hope you enjoyed casting your vote this afternoon. Did you have a touch screen? Now that I’m in IL I’ve voted three different ways. My votes in my younger years were in the old fashioned voting booths with the little levers beneath each candidate’s name. Then in Middlebury it was optical scanners. Now my first time voting in IL it was a touchscreen. My wife has me beat … she’s used a fourth method, punch cards.

  108. The auto industry failure would have caused a catastrophic employment crisis. You seem to favor intervention for one and not the other.

    Double baloney. Tell me how GM going through managed bankruptcy would have created a catastrophic employment crisis?

    Why is our Government not intervening on American Airlines behalf at this moment? American Airlines has hundreds of small businesses creating ancillary/3rd party parts. Why would GM filing bankruptcy have been catastrophic but American Airlines filing bankruptcy won’t?

    It is you and your toy messiah that favor intervention for one and not the other. Frankly Government Motors would be better named UAW Motors – and the assholes and makers of the Volt still owe us $30,000,000,000 in taxpayer funded monies which we will never see, interest on guaranteed loans we were never paid, and bondholders who were discarded for pennies on the dollar.

  109. Tex I seriously doubt you even know what the Ledbetter act did. Unlike Roe who supposedly regrets her involvement in Roe v Wade, Lilly is quite proud and pleased to have this legislation named after her. It achieved what she wanted.

    As for the fundraisers … grow up. They are a way of life for ALL politicians The system needs reform badly.

    Think about the billions spent on this campaign … money that could have gone towards disaster relief or any other number of better endeavors.

  110. Tex, you could be right … Joe as POTUS could be a bit scary. 🙂 I don’t know why he didn’t dump him for Hillary… slam dunk reelection. But it would have made him look disloyal.

  111. Ledbetter expanded the limitations period such it would run from the date of the last paycheck. Nothing more. It’s a joke to suggest something more substantive than what it really is. Anti-pay discrimination has been law for decades. Obama again seeks credit for a non accomplishment.

  112. Rutherford, that just shows how ignorant you are. It is different with me, because MINE is the One True God and all those others are just pretenders.

    Amen brother.

  113. OK James, I do get it. Thanks for the clarification. Clearly not Obama’s finest moment. And I confess, I was not aware of the extent of the flooding back when it happened so you’re right, the news coverage was spotty.

  114. As for the fundraisers … grow up. They are a way of life for ALL politicians The system needs reform badly.

    I was just pointing out how hypocritical your 1st couple really are. Shelly talking with her mouth full of goat cheese about how hard she is working for the starving. I find that particularly humorous and galling at the same time. Personally, I found Marie to be more convincing. At least they got some cake instead of an old shoe to chew.

    That Ledbetter Act is the biggest biggest piece of meaningless fluff I’ve ever read, unless you think greater ability to sue is really great for the country. And I did indeed read it. But Tigre or BIC could rip it far more effectively than I could.

    Once again, I was just pointing out what an absolute phony Obama and his claims are.

    Do you think the Jerseyites would approve of this generation’s performance of lowering the seas? You bunch of helpless children. If the destruction wasn’t so devastating, I could laugh out loud at your ineptness.

    I’m sorry, Rutherford. What Noah calls Karma (correctly I might add), I call God’s retribution for our lowland crowd. BP, Sandy, Al Qaeda, Benghazi Barry…all of your Bush criticisms? Well, the shoe is now on the other foot. Awfully coincidental, don’t you think?

  115. “Hey Muffy, if you’re all comfy with a party that assumes you’re lying about being raped, then I’m fine with it too.”

    You must really think I’m stupid, Rutherford.

  116. Ahhhh PF, you wonder how two people (you and I) can live in the same country and have such different opinions … but man … you quote Master Po so we can’t be THAT different. 🙂

    As for Muffy and Tex getting a room …. I’m still of the conspiracy theory that Mrs. Taylor is masquerading on here as Muffy … or maybe it’s Tex’s daughter? It would be a grand hoax … much grander than Newtsico any day of the week.

  117. Double baloney. Tell me how GM going through managed bankruptcy would have created a catastrophic employment crisis?

    You’re as dopey as your candidate Mitt. There were no private enterprises willing to assist GM through bankruptcy at the time due to the toxic financial environment. The gov’t was GM’s only hope.

    There was also another argument that I don’t buy into as much … namely that the car industry was pure Americana and losing it would have hurt our spirit.

  118. Ledbetter expanded the limitations period such it would run from the date of the last paycheck.

    Could you clarify that a bit? I believe it extends the limitation period to the time the salary first diverged from the male equivalent. When Lilly complained about her salary, she was told “tough crap, it’s been that way for ages, why didn’t you complain sooner?” The Ledbetter Act takes away the ability of an employer to say that.

    And no … it does not guarantee wage equality. I get that. But it’s a step in the right direction.

  119. “Hope you enjoyed casting your vote this afternoon. Did you have a touch screen?”

    It was good. Yes, it was a great little machine. Best voting I ever had. Let’s see… Wisconsin, Rhode Island, Washington State, now Illinois. They probably stashed my vote in the trunk of a car every time. 😉

  120. You’re as dopey as your candidate Mitt. There were no private enterprises willing to assist GM through bankruptcy at the time due to the toxic financial environment. The gov’t was GM’s only hope.

    Once, again Rutherford cast as expert witness and business consultant is Justin Bieber cast as Al Capone.

    What private enterprises are currently assisting American Airlines through bankruptcy as we speak, Rutherford, that wouldn’t have assisted GM? This baloney about nobody wanting GM’s assets is too good to pass up.

    I’ll go out on a limb here and state for the record, you don’t have a damn idea what you are talking about.

    Newsflash:

    There is no more pure Americana than the commercial airline industry. Do you know how many suppliers are dependent upon American Airlines alone? I live in a town where American Airlines is the largest employer. I know what I speak here, sport.

    In fact, the European Union was formed in large part to combat the “Americana” commercial airline industry and Boeing because it was so dominant.

    This is what happens when politicians with community organizing backgrounds, a nebulous student record of accomplishment, and zero experience in business attempt to speak about free enterprise and its operations.

  121. Thanks Jerry Falwell. At least I got you to say that you believe your God did the deed. 😉

    I’ll ask for royalties. I was simply wanting you to notice where these disasters keep taking place. Bush was condemned for ineptness, and Obama when granted his chance to do better, does worse.

    Heck of a job, Barry! 😉

    FootNote: Louisiana is more red than ever.

    Pretty coincidental, hey?

  122. “And no … it does not guarantee wage equality. I get that. But it’s a step in the right direction.”

    What does it do for the cause of equal pay for equal work? It has benefitted 35 women in 4 years. But fine, FINE, step in the right direction and it sure rolls off the tongue. Power to the people.

    But stop using it to flog men with your imaginary war on women. That’s all I’m saying.

  123. This is what happens when politicians with community organizing backgrounds, a nebulous student record of accomplishment, and zero experience in business attempt to speak about free enterprise and its operations.

    Mmmmm, Steve Rattner, the “car czar” doesn’t fit that description at all. 😉

  124. I’ll go out on a limb here and state for the record, you don’t have a damn idea what you are talking about.

    I’m no expert on structured bankruptcy. For example, I think I misspoke by saying “private enterprise” in my first comment. This is what I think I get … for a company to emerge from bankruptcy still in business, it needs a financial backer to lend it money to get back on its feet. In a normal economy that would have been some sort of financial institution but 2008 was too toxic for that to happen. No one would have helped GM and GM would have gone completely under. That is why the government had to step in.

    OK genius, tell me where I’m wrong, and since I know for a damn fact that you’re no expert on the matter, back up your hot air with citations from a source other than Drudge and World Nut Daily.

  125. Rutherford,if you want to see flood pictures, Google Missouri River Flood 2011-Lee Valley, Inc. The Olson family lives across the river from us and sells machinery on their farm. Scot took photos from his airplane from May through October. They show the flood and sand as the water receded.

    Remember this flood affected places from southern Saskatchewan and Montana to Missouri, 2011 Missouri River Flood Documentary HD produced by South Dakota Public Television tells more of the story.

    God must have given Freddy Mercury a special dispensation for “Bohemian Rhapsody” especially if He considered “Fat Bottomed Girls.

  126. Alright, that’s it.

    ”Yes you did, and revealed a lot more than you meant to do. Thanks for that.”

    You mean that I have a sister-in-law who is both an NNP and a PNP and when I asked her if a doctor could determine the sex of the fetus in the first trimester she replied that she could think of ways to do it? You’re welcome Doc. So I backed off from week 12 until she said, “possible, yes” for the last time. That was week 7.

    Is she wrong? Should I ask my other sister – the DNP?

    Wanna hear the kicker? My brother is an RN who just this year gave up OR administration for a surgical nurse position at the same excellent children’s hospital that he’s worked for the past 23 years? You may be an MD but you’re not fit to wipe his bloody shoes, Meatball.

    You see, my mom had a sick child, for whom she gave up her dream of becoming a nurse when her youngest started school so that Mom could take care of her. This was when acute lymphocytic leukemia sounded more like a sentence than a diagnosis. Especially when they said “as soon as two weeks, maybe as long as two months.” My mom, much like Tex describes his wife to be, was and is the center of our lives as a family. It’s no wonder her smarter children wanted to give her back her dream somehow.

    Once again, you’re welcome. Now unless my sister is wrong I’ll thank you to leave me the fuck alone and let’s just stay out of each other’s way, alrighty?

  127. “You want to base abortion on being able to identify the sex of the fetus?”

    No, dummy. I want to base it on NOT being able to. Moron.

  128. In a normal economy that would have been some sort of financial institution but 2008 was too toxic for that to happen. No one would have helped GM and GM would have gone completely under. That is why the government had to step.

    I will be glad to answer your questions concerning Chapter 11 bankruptcy and my lack of knowledge (I think you’re forgetting I was the representative for a Fortune 50 company managing a Chapter 11 on Queens, NY, from ’94-’96) as soon as you answer mine first.

    You still haven’t answered what American Airlines is receiving that GM couldn’t. And you haven’t answered why GM’s many suppliers were of utmost importantance but AA’s aren’t.

    More so, if GM doing so well and so successful, why (1) does GM owe nearly $30 billion of the $50 billion it received, and its lending arm still owes nearly $15 billion of the more than $17 billion it received?; (2) why was GM was relieved of about $28 billion of bondholder obligations as UAW claims were protected?; (3) Why is it been permitted for GM to increase its manufacturing capacity in China by approximately 55 percent after the bailout?; why is its stock tanking as the market has continued to move up?

  129. Mmmmm, Steve Rattner, the “car czar” doesn’t fit that description at all.

    I just looked up Mr. Rattner’s background for grins. Uh huh. Yep, Lee Iococca, (lifelong Democrat, who just endorsed Mitt Romney) he’s not.

    Mr. Rattner was an investment broker for….Lehman Brothers. The non existent Lehman Brothers. He was also New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s close friend and manager of his personal assets. He had tenure with the New York Times. He also became the economic analyst for the MSNBC news show, Morning Joe. 😆

    Now what is it that makes Mr. Rattner personally qualified to be car czar again, Rutherford?

  130. R, yes, I can expand.

    First though, one might wonder why Obama is touting a bill that in fact gives another disincentive to hire women. Classic liberal short-sighted solution to a non problem, accepted by uninformed libs without regard to adverse consequences.

    Of the millions and millions of female workers, and tens of millions spent on this legislation, 35 cases have been brought under the revised law since it was enacted in 2009. And Obama receives cheers from the crowd for his courageous achievement. The name sure evokes an image of something substantive and makes your liberal heart flutter though, doesn’t it? So meek and feminine. :roll:. Lily and Sandra are now you repulsive spokespersons for the made up “war on women.” It truly is hard not giggle at the inanity of it all.

    Anyway, under the old statutory scheme, an affected female worker had to bring her claim within the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit. Ledbetter missed it by years, acknowledging that she was aware of the basis for the claims she later made but failing to act on it. Her lawyers argued that the pay discrimination limitations period should reset with each new paycheck alleged to be tainted by the alleged discrimatory practice (as opposed to the time that the decision was made and the plaintiff discovering it). The trial court and SCOTUS rejected the argument.

    After the Ledbetter decision, Congress enacted the bill that would conform with Ledbetter’s arguments that the statute of limitations for presenting an equal-pay lawsuit does not begin on the date that the employer makes the initial discriminatory wage decision. Now it is at the date of the most recent paycheck.

    That’s it. Yay for Obama. Another reason not to hire women while showcasing to the uninformed a talking point designed to portray the creation of a substantive gender-based civil right — that already existed. If you don’t feel like a sucker for buying what the nitwit-in-chief was selling, you should.

  131. Cash for Clunkers Rattner?

    Hahahahahahahahah!

    This is going to be good.

    Even my brother who is a GM exec (and was in on the talks) thinks bankruptcy without bailout should’ve been the decision.

  132. Tigre,

    I listened for as long as I could stand to MSNBC last night. They’re seething. 🙂 They don’t think Obama is winning this election. They were hanging from the rafters, looking for blood meal.

    The invective was ominous and threatening.

    I dearly hope when this election is over should Obama lose, these bastards come looking for trouble.

    I really do. 😈

  133. MSNBC in the evening is the canary in the coal mine. I’ll have to try and stomach a bit of it tonight. I love it when they’re losing their lunch and working to create false narratives. The Red Cross thing is about all the proof we need. I pray for a second coat of shellac.

    Keep your hands of Muffy. She’s mine. 😈

  134. Keep your hands of Muffy. She’s mine. 😈

    Don’t let Rutherford read that. He really will think were twisted after accusing Muffy of being Mrs. Taylor. I don’t know. Maybe Rutherford Pan thinks Tigre is Tex is Muffy. Thank goodness he didn’t accuse me of being Tool™man too.

    Muffy Taylor! The name alone gives me a Woody. No wonder I have a crush on her.

  135. No, I need the cold shower. You deserve a classier set of friends with less libido. 😉

    ———–

    You guys and gals, minus the libs who will go into denial and apoplexy over this, want to read an article more than four years old that incredibly interesting? This is written by Ali Sina is the author of Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography of Allah’s Prophet and the founder of Faith Freedom International, the movement of ex-Muslims.

    This article is more than four years old. He was warning us then about Barack Obama. It’s a long read but incredibly interesting. Many of his thoughts paralleled mine, but he is so much more eloquent than I am. And I could never could put my intuition into sufficient words back then as to my premonition of witnessing real evil.

    When Obama spoke in 2008 with all the fawning adulation, a shiver went up my spine. Honest truth. I believed then as I believe now we were witnessing a megalomaniac and an open door to catastrophe. But it wasn’t Obama that I found terrifying. It was the millions of sycophants who didn’t recognize the man.

    Tell me this man doesn’t see clearly now four years later.

    Excerpt:

    The majority of people base the most important decisions on emotions, rather than on rationality. The first impression is often the lasting one. First impressions can be wrong. When I prove to Obama devotees that all their arguments to support him are logical fallacies, they tell me that they know Obama is the right man, because that is what their intuition tells them and they trust their intuition. That is yet another fallacy. If a belief is not backed by logic, it is not intuition but blind faith. The followers of Jim Jones cheerfully committed suicide because they relied on their blind faith that they mistook as intuition.

    Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer

  136. I tried to read Rutherford’s post, Couldn’t be bothered. That he puts the politics of a storm over that of our President sacrificing our diplomat and troops to playing it politically safe is more than I can stand. The fact the media is not saying a word at the failures in this particular event while not able to shut their traps over Katrina speaks volumes.

    Christie is only doing what he has to for his people, nothing more. He already experienced first hand what this traitor Obama does to Republicans when his state was denied school funding for no other reason than who Christie is. Christie is what you can never be Rutherford. Oblama did his fucking job for once and Christie stood up and gave him credit for it. That is what honest people do.

    Your a piece of work R. I hope you live to be a 130 years old just as you are now.

    P.S. Once I take the time to read the rest of what you have said, I’ll check the rest of the blog to see if you have given proper credit to everything that you have stole from other people on Leftist radio.

    p.s.s. I will enjoy watching you squirm and try and talk your way out of supporting your Messiah when he is impeached on F & F and Libya.

  137. But stop using it to flog men with your imaginary war on women. That’s all I’m saying.

    Well two things Muffy. First, I think the whole “war on women” thing is hyperbole. Second, there are much more effective tools than Lilly Ledbetter to use for the argument, the most pungent one being this latest preoccupation with rape that several knucklehead GOPhers seem to have lately. You’d think that the first step toward getting the women’s vote would be to talk to them respectfully.

  138. God must have given Freddy Mercury a special dispensation for “Bohemian Rhapsody” especially if He considered “Fat Bottomed Girls.

    LOL you know your Queen. 🙂

  139. I’ll say this for you Muffy. From my experience, the nurses know at least as much, if not more, than the doctors do. The nurses are in the trenches while the docs often seem to do fly-bys.

  140. “Leave it to Rabbit to pick out the most trivial of all the points in the piece.”

    “This post was so bad, I didn’t finish it. I just want to mock the Obama supporters some more. I am so lazy and ignorant I didn’t bother to finish the post. I would rather just mock Obama supporters.”

    In these comment Rutherford surpassed anything Newt has ever done. Rutherford does all of these things as a matter of practice to every honest point of view 99.9% of the time. A proven fact!

  141. Now what is it that makes Mr. Rattner personally qualified to be car czar again, Rutherford?

    He didn’t need to know how to run a car company silly. He’s a financier. He knows finance. And I suspect he knows a helluva lot more about how to manage a bankruptcy than a “community organizer” does.

    On your earlier question … my gut reaction is you’re comparing apples to oranges by comparing GM in 2008 to AA in 2012. Not the same economic environment.

    Look, I may not be using the right words, but the common understanding of the FACTS among folks who don’t hate Obama is that Romney’s plan for GM would have killed it permanently. And lets not forget that Romney’s background was in bankrupting companies and sucking them dry. It was his definition of success.

  142. Tigre, thanks for the explanation on Ledbetter. It’s as I understood it but I misread your original statement backwards.

    But your logic about it being a disincentive to hiring women seems ludicrous. We shouldn’t enact civil rights legislation because the folks it keeps in check might react adversely? By that logic, we make it easier for companies to keep hiring women AND make it easier for them to avoid equal pay challenges, and somehow women win in that tradeoff?

    In any case, Ledbetter might not have been Earth shaking but it was, as I told Muffy, a step in the right direction.

  143. Rutherford – in doing a little random reading this morning, I started musing about whatever happened to Alan Bakke from the
    ‘seventies – and the students with lower scores who were admitted in his stead. Here’s what I found Googling around. Apologies for the length:

    Bakke Revisited; Making Good on the Promise of Equality?
    FEBRUARY 23, 2012 BY HARRY STEIN

    It was announced yesterday that the Supreme Court would hear a challenge to the University of Texas’s admissions policies on the use of racial preferences to encourage “diversity”, per the Bakke case of 1978. Today seems like a good time to revisit the particulars and the aftermath of that case. (snip)

    When it comes to race and college admissions, cynicism is not just the name of the game, but its very essence. It has been at least since 1978, when the Supreme Court’s Bakke decision introduced millions of unsuspecting Americans to the way racial preferences operate in our finest institutions of higher learning. Twice turned down for admission to the medical school on the University of California’s Davis campus despite having better grades and test scores than most accepted minorities, Allan Bakke was deemed by the Court a victim of reverse discrimination and allowed to enter the school. But, in a decision of stupefying illogic, the justices upheld affirmative action in principle, enabling colleges to make it a consideration in judging admissions applications. The result has been decades of schemes designed to enable administrators to continue to discriminate solely on the basis of race and ethnicity while pretending it is only one of many pertinent factors.

    As it happened, the Baake case had a tragic, but quite meaningful, addendum. In 1995, The New York Times Magazine ran a ten-page piece (by Nicholas Lemann, now dean of the Columbia School of Journalism) about Dr. Patrick Chavis, one of the black students admitted to Davis’ med school over Allen Bakke, revealing that upon graduating Chavis had returned to the Los Angeles inner city Compton neighborhood where he’d grown up and was serving its minority population as an obstetrician and gynecologist. As if the message wasn’t sufficiently clear, the piece had Ted Kennedy lauding Chavis as a “perfect example” of the need for preferences. As an editorial in The St. Louis Post Dispatch snarkily observed, “Allan Bakke, admitted to medical school as a result of the lawsuit, is an anesthesiologist in Rochester, Minn. Patrick Chavis – the black son of a welfare mother who had been admitted with lower scores than Mr. Bakke – is a gynecologist serving poor Medicaid mothers in southern California. The social advantages of diversity continue to reverberate after graduation.” “If this means educating people with lower grade-point averages but greater commitment to helping people who need it, so be it,” wrote a typical preferences enthusiast to The New York Times. “Manhattan and Boca Raton can make do with a few less corporate merger attorneys and cosmetic surgeons.”

    Except the real lesson Patrick Chavis’s story imparted in the end was altogether different. Just two years later, in 1998, the Medical Board of California revoked his license for “gross negligence, incompetence and repeated negligent acts” based on more than ninety misconduct charges, including the mistreatment of eight liposuction patients, one of whom died. In fact, it turned out that even before the appearance of the glowing Times profile, he’d been sued for malpractice multiple times, (actually, 21 times – Pfesser) and as far back as 1993, one Los Angeles Hospital had been closely monitoring him after a botched delivery – for which he’d sued the hospital, charging racism.

    It only got worse. In 2002, four years after losing his license, Chavis was killed in what police said was a failed hijacking attempt in inner city LA.

    More than just a tragedy, the story was widely – and rightly — taken as a cautionary tale about affirmative action, driving home with special potency the reality that merit matters and, especially in life and death endeavors, cutting people a break based on race is a prescription for disaster.

    As Chief Justice Roberts said in a 2007 case on racial preferences, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” Let’s hope that this time they get it right.

    (Bakke is still in practice in MN, and doing just fine, thankyouverymuch. – PF)

  144. How do you know Romney’s plan would have killed General Motors? Why hasn’t bankruptcy killed airliners and other companies which have used it? You haven’t adequately explained the difference.

    Romney was not in the business of bleeding companies dry. Bain reorganized businesses which were in trouble. I believe that was their definition of success. As in a hospital, some didn’t make it.

    You are making assumptions about Romney which could apply to Mr. Rather. Being a financier without knowledge of the industry to be managed.is a recipe for failure because the manager has no idea of what makes an auto company succeed.

    If you assume Romney’s stock in trade is killing companies, I will assume Mr. Rather failed General Motors because his knowledge and experience were inadequate for the task.

  145. Yes, Rutherford, I like Queen. Freddy Mercuries death was a tragedy. Last night’s tone made “Fat Bottomed Girls” play through my head. I wonder why,.Whoever wins the election will be able to sing “We are the champions of the world.”

    Newt, that woman caught trying to vote twice shows the system worked.

    The Democratic National Convention required ID to enter, a stranger writing a check in a store usually needs to show ID, and when I was in the service I showed ID when I bought Thunderbird for an under aged friend. Voter ID is a logical choice. Otherwise, why show IDs for anything else?

    I like Pfessors last comment.

  146. R opined: “From my experience, the nurses know at least as much, if not more, than the doctors do. The nurses are in the trenches while the docs often seem to do fly-bys.”

    They don’t know more in a general way, but the nurses certainly know more about individual patients. That, of course, is the way it should be. And with the increasing government-mandated requirements for documentation, your doctor will have even less time for you than before. Reminds me of an old third-grade (I think) teacher who retired recently, noting that she was being required to submit daily written lesson plans, after having taught third grade nearly thirty years.

    An old Scottish surgeon at my hospital once observed that the nursing schools used to turn out really good nurses; now they just turn out really poor doctors. That’s been my experience – (but enough about my cousin, recently dead at the hands of the VA). And woe betide a doctor who upbraids an incompetent nurse these days; he’ll be up for “conduct” in front of the Medical Executive Committee before you can say “Jack Spratt.”

    Glad to be out of it; they can read their own damned X-rays.

  147. “From my experience, the nurses know at least as much, if not more, than the doctors do. The nurses are in the trenches while the docs often seem to do fly-bys.”

    Then you haven’t worked in a trauma room much.

    I admire good nurses. Even wrote a letter to the hospital thanking them for the nurses by name for caring for my father. I would say an established nurse with years of experience is worth their weight in gold.

    But it wasn’t any nurse that determined my dad had West Nile Virus. Wasn’t any nurse that brought him back from anaphylactic shock years ago either. Wasn’t a nurse that delivered my youngest “sunny-side” up baby girl. Wasn’t a nurse that operated on my mother’s stomach and intestines when she was unable to keep food down. And it wasn’t a nurse that diagnosed my ventricular tachycardia.

  148. My wife was in the hospital with toxemia, and the doctor told me they were transferring her to a Sioux City hospital. She and our unborn son had a 50/50 chance of survival.

    I drove behind the ambulance at 90 MPH and after we reached the hospital delivery room, the delivery began. My wife was in trouble, and attention focused on her. I was the only one to see the monitor showed our son’s heart rate was falling steadilly. I taped a nurse on the shoulder, and they set to work on helping our son.

    It happened again, and the process repeated.

    Later, my wife went into shock.

    As a nurse from our home hospital and I waked down a hall, she said “Quick, get in here!” I did, and she followed me into a closet. She kept the door slightly ajar. The other nurse from our hospital was walking toward us unaware of anything.

    Suddenly, the nurse lept through the doorway spread her arms and yelled AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! The other poor nurse nearly fell over backward.

    I was in the hospital with paricarditis. I bragged about the hospital food, so the nurses brought me all of the left over cake and deserts.

  149. “We shouldn’t enact civil rights legislation because the folks it keeps in check might react adversely?”

    No. it extends liability, or at least claims, potentially for decades. A problem that could be avoided if women weren’t hired or advanced to positions to competitive compensation positions. So I don’t know what you’re talking about. The majority of businesses don’t have the HR structures of your former company or Goodyear, they just know when they’ve inherited a potential problem and avoid it. But of course you place idealism above reality as a matter of course.

    As for GM why don’t you read up R. There’s plenty out there that will explain it to you. You obviously haven’t got a clue. Saying you’ll only listen to conclusions of your propaganda network is pretty dumb.

  150. I agree with El Tigre. A normal business will avoid potential problems during the interviews and since hiring is subjective, they can defend their decisions.

    We applied for our first farm loan. The loan officer knew he couldn’t legally ask if we planned to have children soon. (We didn”t)

    It was important to know because my wife’s income of lack of it played a role in our ability to repay the loan because the farm economy was bad. He danced around the subject and got his information. The bank loaned us the money which we repaid.

  151. Fast and Furious = Impeached and tried for accessory to mass murder.

    Libya = Impeached for incompetence and leaving our people behind to die while he watched.

    Offering on video to offer up our missile secrets to Russia after the election = Impeached and charged with treason.

    Campaigning more than the last 5 Presidents Combined = Fired for failure to do his duties as President of the United States.

    Failure to stand by Israel = God’s jurisdiction.

    “You didn’t build that” = alienated every small business owner in the country.

    Taking God off the platform and booing God’s inclusion while ignoring their own rules = God’s jurisdiction and alienating every “true” Christian. Dimocrats made their true feelings about God and Christians known and we will never forget.

    This man has crippled our economy. Left 23 million people chronically unemployed to get them dependent on government. 51% of the country on one or more govt programs, middle class worth $4900 less and 15 million more on food stamps. Gutting our military while selling us out and apologizing for us abroad. More civil liberties have been ripped from us than in any other time in history in the form of the National Defense Authorization Act and Affordable Health Care Act.

    Obamacare, soon to be known as the law of unintended consequences, causing business across the nation to fire the majority of full time employees and rehire them as part time to avoid being taxed out of business because of this law. In 2013 the middle class and the poor get a $2500 tax increase that they cannot afford. In 2014 the government invades our privacy even more as it prepares to implement punitive taxation. Our already fragile economy will receive another tax hike despite already being the highest corporate tax rate in the world. Printing money like a banana republic…the list goes on. Never have I seen such blatant efforts to undermine our country. Saddest part is Dimocrats are cheering him on the way to their own demise.

  152. Dear Rutherford,
    Well it has been a good run since 2007. This could very well be my last comment here given the wager with myself regards the Election 2012 results and in2thefray’s existence.
    I hope no matter what dawns on 7 November you get reconciled with reality and drift back to the center a bit. You’ve become a little bit unhinged lately. Perhaps it is due to the beating you take here on a near daily basis,or perhaps you really are a devout lefty loon and I’ve grossly miscalculated your character.
    None the less good luck on everything except your election desires R.
    To the room fwiw. If things go badly on the 6th one of the final posts on my blog will be a shout out to the folks that I’ve had the good fortune to meet in the “e” world including those that made comments @ my place and the thread residents here.
    Take it easy y’all and have a great and safe weekend. See you all on the other side,or not.
    With fingers crossed,
    Alfie

  153. ”Well two things Muffy. First, I think the whole “war on women” thing is hyperbole. Second, there are much more effective tools than Lilly Ledbetter to use for the argument, the most pungent one being this latest preoccupation with rape that several knucklehead GOPhers seem to have lately. You’d think that the first step toward getting the women’s vote would be to talk to them respectfully.”

    I don’t know what you’re referring to as the “latest preoccupation with rape” that GOP knuckleheads seem to have (are you referring to answers to questions in debates or interviews?), but it was your party that excoriated multiple women who made rape and sexual assault complaints against Bill Clinton not so very long ago. I thought that was pretty hateful and I didn’t even necessarily believe them myself. But what a message it sent to women. Especially women with similar experiences in life.

    Perhaps the insensitive remarks justify a slap on the nose. But I don’t think that hyperbole cuts it with regard to the Democrats’ obsession with and investment in the “Republican war on women.”

    The war on Republican women is another matter. The woman running for Gabby Giffords old seat for example.

  154. Muffy didn’t see the point given Rutherfords discounting of my earlier points, he’s in a state of partisan denial or something.
    Suffice to say FEMA isn’t the great white hope folks try to make it out as and anything a Romney Administration would take from it would be a good thing.
    Too many folks fail to appreciate that FEMA is the culmination of bureaucratic evolutions that have taken it from being an insurance/finance thing from as far back as Hoover ( a good idea) to dramatic and near draconian overreach and control ( a very bad thing) courtesy Carter,who set the ground rules and Bush II who put all its bad stuff on f@#$ing steroids.
    Rutherfords position,denial and outright bullshitting on this as well as the Ohio car thing is completely dictated by Obama,msnbc etc.and lacks and independent thought on his behalf. That is a charge I’ve not made on R or agreed to in the past but to me is so brazenly clear in these two instances it is disgusting.
    Bottom line as a matter of fact,without the fog of Sandy clouding ones better judgement ,FEMA like much of the Federal roster of A-Z’s need to be squeezed.

  155. Tried to end my time here on a classy note but just noticed newts # 169.
    NEWT YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING LOATHESOME DOUCHEBAG IT ISN’T FUNNY.
    THE VEGAS ARREST TOTALLY VALIDATES VOTER ID SYSTEMS AND YOU KNOW IT.
    THE FACT THAT YOU CROW ABOUT THE ARREST YET IGNORE THE REASONS BEHIND IT SHOWS YOU TO BE A TOTAL USELESS FUCKING LOSER.
    DO YOU FEED AND DRESS YOURSELF? I’D FIND THAT SURPRISING BUT THEN AGAIN ONE CAN TRAIN A DOG OR EVEN A MONKEY TO DO SO MUCH PERHAPS THAT EXPLAINS HOW YOU PLOD THROUGH LIFE.
    CAPITALS INTENDED,DIDN’T WANT THE DOUCHE TO MISS THE COMMENT.
    p.s. newt you suck!

  156. In the event that Obama loses, do we have a pool yet of how long it will take for the cowardly Newtsico to return?

    Because after the first debate when Romney demonstrated these mindless dimwits pathological lying asses, it took Newtsico a couple of weeks before she resorted to again polluting the blog with mindless drivel.

    I say minimum three to four months, probably under new ownership.

    You at least got to stick around for that, Alfie.

  157. I think voter fraud is a serious concern. Not saying widespread, and certainly not one-sided. But a heavy issue. It goes to the heart of our democratic process. It involves all of us. Creating anxiety over speaking about it is a form of evil. I don’t mean micking it so much as condemning people as racist or haters is manipulative.

    I feel the same way about media bias. Finger pointing feels good for the moment but the issue is grave.

    Cheating is serious business when it involves putting our nation’s leaders into place.

  158. Re apnea:

    Tex, I was hooked up to a bunch of wires and slept. That’s about all I know.

    Here is how the apnea thing was started. I broke my nose two days before my second was born, last spring. As you guys remember, I was in the NICU for a week. While in there my nose got infected. When the doc asked me how I’m feeling, I told him I was tired as shit. Well, as you can imagine….of course I was! I looked like a zombie at the time, dark circles under my eyes, my nose Frankenstein like. Doc asked me if I snore. I told him I did and he was pretty sure that I had apnea. He set up a sleep study date.

    I get good sleep. I just don’t get enough of it. I play basketball at 530 am. The baby and 3 year old at home. Working with teen agers all day. Softball. Weight lifting. Internet addiction. I also mow a few lawns for silver bullion. Not to mention my own chores around the house. I get about 4 hours of z’s on week nights, tops.

    Weird thing is I was convinced I had apnea too. I just need to sleep more.

  159. Rabbit. The reason I mentioned getting your heart checked for arrhythmia, is that arrhythmia can mimic many of the same symptoms of hypoxia (cessation of breathing).

    Sounds to me like you’re pretty healthy if you checked out. I can’t tell from your description what they were checking. But obviously, they determined you were getting enough oxygen.

  160. Rutherford, this Nate Silver you libs like to quote? Let me demonstrate mathematically, why I find the guy a total fraud as so called stat whiz.

    I understand your pal Silver made a bet with Morning Joe a thousand bucks about who would win when Joe mocked his models? Can’t remember where I read that. I read tonight this Silver worm has now set the odds of an Obama win at 87%.

    Well, if Nate really understood statistics, was that confident in his model and wished to make the bet equitable, the fair bet the Vegas way is to give Morning Joe 6-1 odds if the chances of Obama winning 87%.

    This Nate Silver reads more like a wannabee weatherman than a shrewd political adviser.

    Why do I say Silver’s a fraud?

    Because come Wednesday, if Romney wins all Silver has to say is that Romney’s victory was an outlier.

    Like “Global Change”, there’s no way that Silver’s bogus model can be proven wrong unless we go through several iterations of a vote.

  161. I would like to suggest again that you check the documentary For the Record: The Machine. In this you will see how Obama and Eric Holder are complicit in promoting and protecting those committing voter fraud.

    After having watched this video, I feel very justified in saying some racism is not only justified, but necessary. I no longer have any doubt in my mind that both Holder and Obama are criminals working in concert with the new black panther party, media matters and other organizations.

    There is profound evidence since 2008 that the Justice Department has been selectively enforcing federal law based on race and political ideology.

    DoJ personal were ordered to stop asking new lawyers coming into the voter law enforcement division if they could investigate cases without any consideration of race. A black woman, appointed by Obama(her name eludes me atm), who is the head of this division, issued this order. Those that did not comply had personal and confidential information leaked to news sources like media matters who smeared their names and ruined a lot of careers, many of whom had championed black causes for several decades.

    Next time this show runs I am recording it and I am going to mass distribute it via dvd. I am absolutely convinced that if we are going to survive what is being done right now, that we have to vote these people and all like them out of power. I will never vote for a black person that I do not personally know ever again. I will be finding pictures of everyone I am voting for in this election and I will disqualify them based on this diction alone. The evidence is that strong and damming. A race war is being waged against whites right now, and we had better wake up quick.

  162. Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, left/right sleeve of the same straight jacket.

    Right. Now if we could only get Uncle to put it on… we’d be set.

  163. I just heard it on the radio. Obama told an Ohio crowd to vote for revenge. That’s what Mitt is talking about.

    Ehhh no. Your ears deceived you. All it was, was a spin on the old phrase “success is the best revenge”. A standard routine that Obama has been doing on the stump for months now is when he mentions Romney and the crowd boos, he says “don’t boo, vote.” This time he simply said “don’t boo, vote. Voting is the best revenge.”

    Don’t waste your time booing and whining. If you want to take action against a potential Romney election, DO something … VOTE.

    It looks like it will be silly season right up to the very end. 😐

  164. Bakke is still in practice in MN, and doing just fine, thankyouverymuch. – PF

    And with all that “talent” Bakke would have done fine graduating from any medical school. Why didn’t Bakke bitch and moan about the less qualified white guys that got in when he didn’t?

    Chavis didn’t run into trouble because he was a minority. He ran into trouble because he was a dishonest asshole and I’d like to see your study, PF, on the outcomes of the white dishonest assholes who graduated from the same class as Chavis and Bakke.

  165. I will assume Mr. Rather failed General Motors because his knowledge and experience were inadequate for the task.

    Makes no sense. Rattner did not fail GM. GM is alive and kicking today. I might remind folks that stock price is only ONE indicator of success so Tex’s harping on GM stock price is little more than a distraction.

    Tigre said his brother worked at GM. So here are some questions:

    1) How high a level executive was Tigre’s brother? At my old company “executives” starting at Director level, were a dime a dozen .. you threw a rock, you hit an executive. No insult intended … I just want specifics.

    2) To what degree was the brother privy to all the negotiations. Was he a decision maker?

    3) If GM could have survived a “normal” bankruptcy procedure, why did they accept government help? No private company wants the government in their pants if they can possibly help it.

    4) Credit was tight as a virgin’s woowoo in 2008. Where was GM supposed to get the money to emerge from bankruptcy?

    5) Everyone keeps throwing AA at me … credit is not as tight now as it was in 2008. It’s a bad comparison.

  166. Regarding my comment on nurses, I accept the pushback from PF and Tex. I guess I overstated the fact that they are by and large underrated. If you want your loved one cared for well, it’s best to be on the good side of the nurses.

  167. That’s now two former Chrysler Execs that dispute the Bomba Bailout of Chrysler as magic and saved Chrysler several years ago that have endorsed Mitt Romney.

    You make a good Romney staffer Tex cos you lie like a rug. The article said NOTHING about these executives NOT supporting the bailout. They simply called the bailout “small ball” in comparison to the bigger picture of the economy in general which they believe Romney will be better at stimulating.

    Nice try. Please do play again.

  168. Dear Rutherford,
    Well it has been a good run since 2007.

    There’s no telling at this point Alfie if you’ll have to make good on your bet or not.

    The funny thing is, even though I met your original bet with a combination of disbelief and disappointment I have really begun to reconsider my own future. Ironically, it is not an Obama loss that might stop me from blogging … it’s an Obama win. The air is too toxic. If Obama wins, the toxicity will not decrease. It gets tiring after awhile. It’s why I included the video of that poor crying girl in this piece. No matter how committed you are, it gets exasperating and quite frankly the repetitive to and fro stops being fun.

    Food for thought as we go forward.

  169. I don’t know what you’re referring to as the “latest preoccupation with rape” that GOP knuckleheads seem to have

    Was that honest or just deliberate evasion? See comment 276 from prior thread for examples.

  170. NEWT YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING LOATHESOME DOUCHEBAG IT ISN’T FUNNY.

    Alfie, if I’m not mistaken you’re thinking of trying your hand at local politics no? If so, I gather you plan to practice from the Chris Christie/Joe Walsh playbook? 😉

  171. is that arrhythmia can mimic many of the same symptoms of hypoxia (cessation of breathing).

    Not for nuthin’ Tex but I thought hypoxia was low levels of oxygen in the bloodstream, caused by among other things cessation of breathing, but not identical to it. For example, I suffer from hypoxia but I don’t stop breathing. I simply breathe very shallow and my O2 sat drops when I exert myself.

  172. Tex, I won’t argue with you about Silver. His track record speaks for itself but THIS year, I don’t care what your track record is … this race is tight and anyone laying 87% odds on anyone is smoking dope.

  173. Alfie – I know how you feel – I am wide awake at 3 am, having slept fitfully for a while, thinking and even dreaming about Tuesday. (Hell, it’s 2am NOW, I guess – God I hate Standard Time).

    I share your anxiety about this election, to point of insomnia – there is SO much riding on it. The time to pay the piper is here; if Romney is elected, the process is going to be SO painful; if Obama is elected – well, that is just unthinkable. We have completely lost control of our government, to the point that we have goobers and whiz-kids like Geithner and Bernanke fiddling with our whole economic system, goaded on by a complete financial dunce/socialist like Obama.

    We sit here on this board and bluster and blow and make fun of Obama, but boys it is no joke. I keep thinking that my wife and I have the skills and training to make it in ANY environment – if not in luxury, at least adequately. My family is nearly all gone now, so I don’t worry about them, and most of their offspring are either doing well or are such sorry-asses that I don’t care. But I do care about my adult kids and my wife’s. What the hell are they going to do if we enter another Great Depression, which I think extremely likely?

    Between Goober Bush – The-Great-Foreign-Adventurer and Money-Waster, Socialist Obama, and the impossible-to-fund Nanny State, we are in a world of shit, my friends. A world. That article in The Telegraph drove dead center.

  174. Rutherford questioned: “Why didn’t Bakke bitch and moan about the less qualified white guys that got in when he didn’t?”

    Because there weren’t any.

    “Chavis didn’t run into trouble because he was a minority. He ran into trouble because he was a dishonest asshole and I’d like to see your study, PF, on the outcomes of the white dishonest assholes who graduated from the same class as Chavis and Bakke.”

    No, he ran into trouble because he was unqualified to be a doctor. Medical school was one of the most demanding things I have ever done; if you are not ready mentally, physically, emotionally – as well as having a history of accomplishment, competitiveness and integrity – yes, integrity – to call upon, you will not make it.

    If you are admitted and are unqualified, all your mates know it and resent you. You know it yourself, and that does not make for success. As the school administration keeps passing you along because they dasn’t fail you out, you fall further and further behind. Each subject builds on the one before, so at the end of the process you are a doctor in name only. (a DINO, if you will…)

    No, Chavis is the expected outcome of a bogus process, not the exception. It has nothing to do with his race, other than the fact that the idiots who admitted him used it, rather than his abilities, as their criterion.

  175. Raji,

    Thanks for providing that.

    But once again I find the AP to be the O’ssociated Press and biased. For instance, the buzzed headline this morning is this:

    PA O 48%; R 48%

    If true, this is Romney’s now to lose.

  176. You still didn’t understand what I meant about Silver, Rutherford.

    The guy is going to cause you great pain if he’s the one giving you the warm fuzzies. His one claim to fame is that Silver once picked 49 of 50 states correctly in 2008.

    I’m not kidding when I say without any analysis and just gut feel and experience, I could have done the same thing in 2008, only missing the state of Indiana.

    Silver’s model is useless, because there is no way to hold him accountable if he should miss, unless he’s willing to give odds on his model when betting.

    If Silver’s model is even remotely accurate, Silver would consider it a sucker’s bet to give Morning Joe 3-1 odds for instance, if Silver honestly thinks Obama would win this election 7 out of 8 times, which is exactly what he is saying.

  177. “No matter how committed you are, it gets exasperating and quite frankly the repetitive to and fro stops being fun.”

    That sentence, Rutherford, is a good synopsis of where this blog has gone. It seems to me that the only reason for a new blog post is to cut the download time for the commentators. It’s not like they read or try to comprehend the point of your posts anymore.

    Since I haven’t been around that long I don’t know if you have changed in your political leanings or not although everyone here seems to think so. I usually understand the points you are trying to make whether or not I agree but maybe that’s because I take the time to try and see your point. That doesn’t make me a better person just a more open minded one.

    Every point you made in this blog post is exactly what all the liberals are screaming about whether it’s true or false. Let the conservatives refute each point but if they only call foil then they are no better than the liberals.

    I might just spend some time in your archives to get a better perspective. What is predictable are the comments I’m going to get. Shoot, I could just copy and paste from previous threads and save them time.

    You are right, it is no longer fun.

  178. I have to go out on a high note,even if I find pointing out newts idiocy pretty high calibre stuff.
    If GM could have survived a “normal” bankruptcy procedure, why did they accept government help? No private company wants the government in their pants if they can possibly help it.
    I think the answer there is that they would not have remained GM. By that I mean the execs of the highest order know exactly what they’ve done to that company and what private enterprise would’ve done to fix it. Therefore going the structured government route was actually the better option for them. I stress THEM. The company is still in a pickle and really only sees positives due to its global stuff. For me the US taxpayer didn’t save a US auto manufacturer as much as it saved an international entity that as of today has over two-thirds of its workers,assets and income focused outside of the USA.
    As for Chrysler the deal FIAT has is just whacked and not for nothing in the overcrowded arena of autos I don’t see Chrysler shaking its rep even if they start pumping out great stuff and I don’t see that happening either.

  179. On a pure Elections 2012 front : isn’t it amazing how Romney outlasted the 47% thing and in the final days was gifted that which may very well give him Ohio ie the revenge comment.
    @ R fwiw the Romney campaign uses the full sentences/footage from Obama “Don’t boo,vote,voting is the best revenge” in his ad.

    Both candidates this election clearly have stepped in it at times. I think the lesson is timing is everything. Hopefully for me, Mitt is wearing his best shoes today and tomorrow and treading true.

  180. What he hell is this?

    United Nations election monitors are arriving in several states that could determine the outcome of this year’s presidential election. Liberal organizations are encouraging these U.N. monitors to go to Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin and several others states.

    The United Nations will have people looking over the shoulders of poll workers and voters as they vote next week. The Texas Attorney General already has made clear that these “monitors” are not above the law and must comply with local election laws. U.N. “monitors” should not be allowed to intimidate voters.

  181. Alfie discussed FEMA in 198. I have had experience with FEMA after the Little Sioux Scout Ranch tornado which killed about 14 Boy Scouts, injured more and gave our farmstead $8,000 of damage. FEMA reps were everywhere offering forms for us to report damage. We could afford to pay for our own damage, but it was comforting to know well-funded help was available.

    In 2010, FEMA showed us another side. They held a meeting in our county court house and told us rules were changing. We WOULD buy flood insurance, and the definition of flood prone changed whether or not low areas had been under river flood water recently. This was a hard ship for developers and others who owned land in the new designation. It had suddenly become worthless, because no new building was allowed

    Our farmstead had not been flooded since 1954, but a rep told us we must buy flood insurance. I argued that the house is on a five foot foundation, and water has never reacihed the interior since the house was built in 1910. The rep said we could be grandfathered out of the mandate if we filled in our basement.

    I argued that the Missouri River has not directly flooded our home farm, since a twenty foot railroad trestle was built when the railroad came through around 1870. It served as a dike. The drainage ditch which passes through our farm and a river east of us were the source of our floods, but major flood control work made our ditch essentially a dike which blocked water from the lowlands north of us. Moreover, the interstate and several highways served as dikes.

    The rep argued that though those features blocked water, they were NOT dikes. Therefore they could not be part of the discussion.I argued that they served as dikes and should be regarded as such. Their intransegence and inability to face reality angered me, but I was not nasty to the FEMA representatives. They were merely errand boys and girls charged to answer all of our questions.

    I kept arguing as others left and the janitor announced he was closing the court house I heard. The reps didn’t hear. I kept talking until we were locked in and I wouldn’t tell them the way out. Someone unlocked the door 20 minutes later.

    The flood came in 2011, and I spoke to FEMA and the Corps of Engineers almost every day. I told the Corps call center women they were doing a nice job so often they recognized my voice and my wife heard one say “Well hi James!” She joked we were having an affair.

    In the end the Corps and FEMA reps admitted they were wrong when I “told you so. ” The FEMA man said the flood had not behaved as they expected and they were scraping their mandatorhy insurance plan and starting over. They had not taken into account the railroads, highways and low spots I had warned them about.

    Had it not been for the flood, the government would have been draining about $2,000 a year of our hard -earned money from our local economy and into another money pit. It would have helped pay for someone’s mortguage or vacation. That’s what good intentions and excessively big government will do to you.

  182. “Tigre said his brother worked at GM. So here are some questions:”

    I assume all of these are directed at me.

    1) How high a level executive was Tigre’s brother? At my old company “executives” starting at Director level, were a dime a dozen .. you threw a rock, you hit an executive. No insult intended … I just want specifics.

    As usual, Insult was intended though you deny it. I told you my brother was in in discussions. You’re now challenging that because you openly doubt it and ask “for specifics” knowing that I would not disclose particulars here. Suffice it to say, he was in conference with rooms in large Asian cities connected by video to BOD meetings and conferences. Obviously he is involved in GM’s emerging markets — the profitable sector of GM. He is head of an engineering division involved in acquiring and tooling manufacturing plants in Asia and the Soviet Union. He would be considered an upper tier executive but by no means an officer. I trust that’s sufficient detail for purposes of this discussion.

    2) To what degree was the brother privy to all the negotiations. Was he a decision maker?

    I don’t know what “all” negotiations were being had, but I doubt any one individual was privy to all of them. I assume by privy you mean personally attending as well. To my knowledge he had access to whatever info was pertinent to the discussions concerning debt and profitability of the plants in his territory. I haven’t got a clue which he was at other than the ones GM North America required him to attend (nor do I understand why you would think that I would).

    I don’t know what a “decision maker” is to you for purposes of this discussion. What decisions? He is not an officer or director if that’s what you’re driving at.

    3) If GM could have survived a “normal” bankruptcy procedure, why did they accept government help? No private company wants the government in their pants if they can possibly help it.

    I don’t know what you mean by “survive” or “normal” bankruptcy procedure (those are complicated concepts in this instance), but the short answer is, “it had no choice.” The conditions for structured bankruptcy were conditioned on Government preferred stock purchase. As a “debtor in possession” of the assets under Ch. 11 bankruptcy rules, GM was entitled to borrow from preferred creditors (superior to existing creditors in priority) with court approval.

    Priority would mean that the creditor receives first in the event of liquidation of assets (many of GM’s divisions were very profitable), therefore the viability of the company through bankruptcy and its potential corresponding sales/liquidation is essential. To force its plan, the government would not agree to the restructuring plan that would unshackle GM from the long-term union contracts, legacy expenses, favored creditors and bondholders that would ensure viability, i.e. creditor security. This in turn necessarily chills sales of divisions and assets to service the debt.

    Although GM was drowning in debt (driven by unbelievable legacy expenses), it was a perfectly viable company that could have been restructured (of course, the government bought a majority interest). GM’s ability to obtain financing for its bankruptcy, even given the credit market conditions in 2008 did exist under the “normal” restructuring rules, it required government commitment. Ordinarily, the bondholders by law are to get preferred treatment over the shareholders and the unions with unions/employees are way down the list in bankruptcy. The government said, “not this time.”

    Simply put, it was since GM was not subject to the “normal” rules it was required to accept the deal.

    4) Credit was tight as a virgin’s woowoo in 2008. Where was GM supposed to get the money to emerge from bankruptcy?

    Foreign creditors if need be. Sale or pledge of its assets with restructuring. See above. You’ve got it backwards.

    Since it looks like GM is headed for bankruptcy again,perhaps you will see what it would’ve looked like if the right man is elected. (you might want to read Romney’s articles and plans with GM if you truly want to understand his POV rather than your propaganda station).

    5) Everyone keeps throwing AA at me … credit is not as tight now as it was in 2008. It’s a bad comparison.

    Huh?

  183. I hate hate hate hate hate this woman. This is Dimicrat 101 on how to conduct an election. Pisses me off and I hate this woman even more than scarey Nancy

  184. That sentence, Rutherford, is a good synopsis of where this blog has gone. It seems to me that the only reason for a new blog post is to cut the download time for the commentators. It’s not like they read or try to comprehend the point of your posts anymore.

    Oh yes, Yapi. You’re the only PURE poster here. The one true source of unbias and insight, transparently fair, purely moderate, and totally unbecoming.

    However, perhaps in that transcendental lucidity that only the chosen few (like you) can hope to attain, perhaps you might consider:

    That maybe it’s the blog posts that have become repetitive and dishonest? That the posts are simply boilerplated agitprop for Progressive Causes, memes of the MSNBC crowd, talking points of Journolist, and the blind eye to Obama’s failures? What point?

    Want one example of how repetitive and dishonest the blog posts?

    For at least six months, we have been spoon fed in almost every post how incapable, unlikable and unqualified Mitt Romney was and now is.

    And what proof were we provided of these accusations?

    {crickets}

    The points are self explanatory. To get Barack Obama reelected at all costs.

    Do you know that I would wager even in those moments of serious give and take, perhaps 2% of my questions are even addressed anymore? So why should I take the blog posts seriously if the only answers I receive are silence or deflection?

    Having said all that, I don’t expect anything different from our blog host. He is completely honest in his political leanings and can post anything he wants. Nobody is forcing any of us to be here. And Pfesser is exactly right – it is Rutherford’s choice of what he allows and doesn’t allow. The 1st Amendment doesn’t apply here.

    If you’re unsatisfied, why don’t you return back to the more interests blogs of depth? Margaret and Helen’s? Wattle Jeans? KOS and DU?

  185. Okay. Here’s my crystal ball prediction concerning the Presidential election:

    Knowing fully well that we all live on bubbles of our own making, and me fully admitting Oklahoma’s disdain of Obama certainly would skew my perceptions of Obama’s unpopularity, I still think even going against the grain of the brilliant Nate Silver’s mighty and astute mathematical models, skating where angels fear to tread:

    Nate’s got the right percentage, but the wrong candidate.

    But I have no idea how many electoral votes Romney will win, or what the popular vote will be. ABO2012. I do think there’s a 50/50 chance of the media being shocked by the results and an election that looks more like 2008 then 2000. Perhaps that is a conceit.

    But here is on absolute prediction I will make and feel 100% confident in, should the prerequisite hold. I can guarantee this is going happen and Rutherford and people like him that aren’t the vicious dregs that make up the majority of his party.

    Should Barack Obama lose:

    Barack Obama will be absolutely savaged by those Rutherford has chosen to assist in creating his own perceptions. And within two years, Rutherford will have little love loss for those who he once admired on MSNBC.

    Rutherford will learn what most of us already know.

    The headliners at MSNBC, the NYT, NBC, CBS, ABC, and all of the leftist blogs are rabid dogs, unhinged thugs and despicable people.

  186. If Obama wins outright, it will be for reasons I explained in my post about the documentary on election fraud I talked about. If he loses, there will be a huge legal battle, with the deck already stacked in favor of Obama in the DoJ ready to hand him back a win. Either way unfortunately, I dont think Romney can win anymore.

    Obama has spent the last 4 years campaigning and stacking the deck in government to insure he gets another 4 years. He has the money and the people in the right places to insure his win.

  187. Is this a great country or what? I am watching the Weather Channel; they are interviewing in New Jersey the Red Cross volunteers, church volunteers, even the Tide Detergent volunteers, who brought in huge commercial washers and dryers along with portable generators and water to run them. Really makes one proud.

    Now, if they can just get a government that is one-tenth worthy to represent them.

    If you’re interested, donations via

    redcross.org/sandy

    There are also cell phone donations – will post as soon as it comes up again. A million people @ $10 a pop goes a long way.

  188. Obama invites the UN to monitor our polling places, now this.

    A U.N.-sponsored conference next month in Dubai will propose new regulations and restrictions for the Internet, which critics say will censor free speech, levy tariffs on e-commerce, and even force companies to clean up their “e-waste” and make gadgets that are better for the environment.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/#ixzz2BGqkUQLR

    http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/11/01/one-month-until-regulate-internet/

  189. Christians will be out in force. College kids are jaded and unmotivated. Obama is about as uncool as it gets to recent grads for obvious reasons.

    I suppose if Newt was talking about putting her “champagne on ice” back in June, I can make a prediction in Nov.

    I live in a Republican enclave. So my compass could be off. But for the life of me I see a Romney landslide. REPEAT. ROMNEY LANDSLIDE.

    It’s not rocket science. The economy sucks.

    Since I believe one should pay for being wrong when calling one’s own shot, if Romney doesn’t win the election I will donate 50 bucks to any charity of Rutherford’s choosing. ( nothing to do with abortion of course). I’m not going to disappear like Newt.

    Romney landslide, you fools! You all act like you were born yesterday. ROMNEY LANDSLIDE.

  190. Ehhhh Rabbit what’s the bet? Romney win or Romney landslide? I would NEVER bet against a Romney win. Landslide that’s different.

    If you’re betting landslide how do you define it? 100 point electoral vote spread? 40 or more states won? Define your terms. Sadly popular vote is meaningless so no sense betting on that.

  191. I consider anything over 300 to be a landslide.

    Noah, it won’t be close enough for a fix.

    Rutherford actually pretended that standing next to a polling station brandishing weapons in military fatigues, repping a hate group, did not constitute intimidation……so I guess, pathetically, it’s not a stretch to claim Dems would enlist their presence at the polls or at least stand by silent while it happened. Can’t even believe I’m saying that, but it’s true. Luckily, there isn’t enough of those weirdos.

  192. Illinois dispatched tons of volunteers to Wisconsin. This (IL) is no place to gauge the palpable nationwide sentiment, but friends and strangers alike here don’t even give a thought that there are anything but Obama supporters within earshot. It never even enters their mind. So I suppose that colors my perceptions.

    I’m thinking (more just fearing) 271 – 267, Obama 😦

    or worse :’-(

    Rutherford will be insufferable. 🙂

  193. Muffy is a realist, but I disagree about Rutherford being insufferable, he’ll be as consolatory as humanly possible under the circumstances. That’s just him.

  194. Haha you don’t know Rutherford as well as ou think you do!

    Trust me Newt. It’s gonna hurt and he’s gonna twist that knife.

  195. “Your final sentence Rabbit is the most relevant. The NBPP, all four of them, can’t swing the election.” -R

    He’ll no they can’t.

    But, your defense of Holder and your indifference to the seriousness of what those guys did was unconscionable. A pathetic tip of the hat to partisanship over democracy that would have made MLK turn over in his grave. I realized right around then that only time and place keeps you from being an arm band wearer. You are a follower of the worst kind, at times.

    Dudes in hate groups holding clubs at a polling station….it doesn’t get more text book. Yet, even something a cut and dry as that ended up being something that divides us. Sad state of affairs.

    By the way, not only was Obama’s “revenge” comment totally in context and appropriate……I agree with him. Voting can be a great revenge!

  196. PS…Newt, I’m not so much a realist as I think the American Dream is dying and I see no reason to think it couldn’t. I’m not being flip or overdramatic. Romney/Ryan and a handful of state victories might have been able to right this vessel (50/50 odds at best), but it’s undeniably taking on water. An Obama victory will be like blowing a hole in the hull.

  197. If the Fed’s monetary policy continues and we remain over 7 percent unemployment while our staggering debt continues to exponentially grow….I plan on turning on Romney within 18 months. You won’t see me whoring myself and defending failure. Believe that!

  198. I like Ragi.

    I think Rutherford will be doing a victory dance because he is only human, but insufferable? Not to me.

    We still win the basic argument.

    Two of the liberals articles of faith have been shredded into tattered jokes. The unbiased main line press and no need for protection from voter fraud are in the grave. So far, 177 people in Minnesota have been convicted of voter fraud with more being charged. A potential 1,900 stolen votes.

    They were convicted felons who may or may not have known the law forbade them to vote. The system let them into the polling booths. It is possible stolen votes put that nasty little clown , Al Frankin into the Senate. We have more if anyone decides to lord it over us. We can be truly offensive if we go on the offensive.

  199. Newt….any last minute boomsticks? All your other ones were so earth shattering, after all. Your boomsticks were game changers. Your champagne still on ice?

  200. I don’t think so, Muffy. “About your prediction, that is.”

    Romney has better information than we do. Either he’s half cocked, or he is sounding like a confident winner. I heard a speech Romney gave this morning, and it was the best political speech I’ve heard since shortly after 9/11. It sounded Presidential. It was very, very good.

    Obama has the same polling information. Voting is the best revenge? Revenge for what?

    Here’s the bottom line. Even if Obama wins the election, government becomes even more ungovernable. Nothing will pass, nothing will move forward. It gets more and more divisive – America falls even further.

    And I still think there are more patriotic Americans than leeches. I think people are coming out in force.

    If I am wrong…

    The biggest loss and the one that would make me sickest is the SCOTUS. Obama could screw up and corrupt this country many, many years after he is gone.

  201. Raji, I would not dispute that you’re an inordinately open minded person.

    Ironic. I find Yapi so “open minded”, I can’t determine if she stands for much of anything. She may be my critic and I find subjectively applied by the way – which only reinforces my stances. I don’t find that productive or proactive in the least and certainly no solution to what ails us.

    In fact, our open minded manner is exactly why America is in trouble. Fence straddling under the guise of “compromise” is why we have division, we have unyielding debt, corruption.

    I’ll ask again. Why should I compromise with people who I don’t just think but I know are cutting off both America’s legs? Offer them one in return?

    To hell with that.

    When Patrick Henry cried give me Liberty or give me Death, he wasn’t asking to be half liberated.

  202. “I don’t think so, Muffy.” (and the rest of #265)

    Oh, there’s a big part of me that’s counting on being wrong, Tex. My “predictions” probably have a lot to do with a certain adaptability with an eye on certain survival in a most uncertain climate. Hope that makes sense.

  203. Not a landslide. But a convincing win is what is needed.

    Landslide was 1980, 1984, 1988. 40+ states, 350 electoral votes.

    I would be surprised to see many landslides anymore in my lifetime. Too divided, too partisan, too blue and red.

    We are two countries.

    I would rather Obama win big than in dispute with allegations of voter fraud. That way, I won’t feel cheated. Because I know damn well in inner cities, voter fraud is rampant.

  204. Here Muff. Let me remove that mind of yours from Illinois and talk national to give you a measure of confidence. Contrary to loopy Newtsico’s DU links which should be summarily laughed at as that as credible as Fat Grannies, take a look at professional polling – in this case, Gallup:

    But Gallup uncovered one very significant shift in this year’s voting electorate. There has been a remarkable movement toward the Republican party. As Gallup reports:

    The largest changes in the composition of the electorate compared with the last presidential election concern the partisan affiliation of voters. Currently, 46% of likely voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic, compared with 54% in 2008. But in 2008, Democrats enjoyed a wide 12-point advantage in party affiliation among national adults, the largest Gallup had seen in at least two decades. More recently, Americans have been about as likely to identify as or lean Republican as to identify as or lean Democratic. Consequently, the electorate has also become less Democratic and more Republican in its political orientation than in 2008. In fact, the party composition of the electorate this year looks more similar to the electorate in 2004 than 2008.

    So I ask you. What has changed since 2010? That too was a referendum on Obama.

    Now I grant because this is the big fish, the GimmeDat party will turn out higher than 2010. But a 12-15% larger turnout? What’s to say an even larger margin of Republicans aren’t turning out in 2012 too? You think Republicans are less apt to show with the toy messiah on the ballot, especially after the Obamacare SCOTUS decision?

    Don’t think so…

  205. I missed this beauty. So I lie, hey?

    You make a good Romney staffer Tex cos you lie like a rug. The article said NOTHING about these executives NOT supporting the bailout. They simply called the bailout “small ball” in comparison to the bigger picture of the economy in general which they believe Romney will be better at stimulating.

    Nice try. Please do play again.

    So if these two endorsed Romney after both endorsing Obama four years ago, and they’re considered the foundational members of actually saving Chrysler years ago, and the auto industry is their field of expertise which I don’t think you would disagree with…

    And Obama’s one domestic claim to fame besides “saving us from a Great Depression” is saving the “American automobile” industry…news to both Ford and American Honda….

    And I lied.

    Why would they not be falling over themselves if according to Obama’s claims, he’s the second coming of Lee Iococca (cough cough).

    Why are these two endorsing Romney then? 😐

  206. Here Muffy,

    Another chance to soothe your brow….does this remind you of something from four years ago? Football stadiums full of cheering fans in Colorado?

    Now look closely at the picture….

  207. Muffy, despair and misery don’t become you, that’s Tex Taylor territory. What else does he have to do all day?

  208. I did catch the energy in CO last night.

    “…especially after the Obamacare SCOTUS decision?”

    I once regarded what Roberts wrote in his opinion as brilliant. And he was putting his faith in the American people and the democratic process………

    OK Coach. 🙂 I’ll keep my chin up.

    OIHO is looking pumped, even if Illinois is Zombieland. 🙂

  209. Misery and despair?

    Today, I sit with notebook in lap, toggling back and forth between football, FOX and R.L.. while my wife makes the world’s best lasagna and we walk the pup around the park when completed.

    The reason I can be here when I wish Newtsie, is because I can.

    How you could define the freedom to do as one wishes as misery and despair is still a mystery. Far more comfortable than most, far more worry free than most, and far more comfortable in my own skin that most. Living simple recognizing your time filled with stuff is not living without. Many here would do well to learn that lesson.

    What you may call despair and misery, I call blessed. That won’t change come Wednesday.

    Perhaps I have simply lived a lifetime of being smarter in life’s decisions than you which has allowed me such freedom to do as I wish at a rather young age.

    Guess that never dawns on you, hey? If you had sense, you’d be jealous – not having to live a life of illusion as you do with that make believe husband of yours, waffling back and forth in your own personal story.

    Doesn’t surprise me about you.

    In my four years on this board, watching people of all political stripes come and go, I’ve never met a more vacuous, more fallacious, and more irrelevant person than you, Newt.

    That too won’t change come Wednesday.

  210. Anyone catch Reeds statement? If Romney is elected he will stonewall everything he tries to accomplish. Guess that places into the revenge policy of the Oblama administration.

    Mark my words, if Oblama looses, he will go down fighting. He will challenge every single state that he can and he will cause the process to take 3-6 months to conclude. While doing this he will launch a flurry of executive orders to force his agenda while he still has time. I predict he will pardon or protect more criminals than Clinton did in his last day in office.

    Regardless of how it goes down, he will not go honorably. He will make a scene and I think there will be riots.

  211. I will also note that if Romney wins, R and others on here will have but one argument. Republicans did it so it is ok for us to do it. Even though he has spent 4 years crying to the world how wrong he thinks it is, Revenge is the platform of choice, so it will be a justified wrong.

  212. Doonesbury while funny sometimes, is an ideological propaganda piece In the same spirit of the characters blaming Romney and Wall Street plutocrats for our sorry state, I can with more accuracy blame Obama for his small role in creating this mess. I proved it before.

    Again, in the spirit of Doonesbury’s overstatement, Democrats crashed the economy, and they let our people die at Bengazhi. Put that in your Doonesbury and smoke it.

  213. Rutherford,

    If I could level with you without partisanship, IMO this is what has become of your progressive party.

    If I were completely apolitical and totally uninformed, I would vote against this type of idiot just to nullify her vote.

    Can you imagine what your mother, or my mother, or your wife or my wife, or women like Muffy (Newt does count because this is Newt) must think about now? Who is it that trivializes women again?

  214. An especially dangerous time, even if Romney wins will be the twilight before his inauguration. The Democrats will be able to do anything they please, Obama, at least will have little to lose.

    Harry Reid’s comment is empty. Obama showed he could circumvent Congress though executive orders. Two can play that game. It will also signal the end of any pretence of democracy in the US.

  215. I don’t believe Pfessor is voting for Ron Paul, even if he says he is. It makes no sense. He can’t be that stupid to let the Democratic Convention’s “war on women” puppet show actually cause him to ditch Romney, who he hitherto supported. And for another pro life candidate to boot?

    I guess he voted hope and change last time…..so who knows.

    Throwing his vote away in fear of the Dominionists. Wow. Even our smart people are dumb. God help us.

  216. Rutherford if you see this comment I HIGHLY recommend this article to you from one of my fave publications City journal
    No matter the Tuesday fallout this article speaks very well to our earlier discussions on deficit reduction,tax increases,debt,jobs etc.
    By all means anyone else want to click over to it feel free. Just that I saw it and remembered the dialog R & I have had over the past month or so.
    Serious Rutherford give it a glance I think you’ll like it as much as I did even given our differing positions.

  217. The truth is somewhere between Newt and Muffy. If Obama wins I WILL be tempted to say
    Suck
    On
    It

    But an Obama win will change nothing. Those who hate him will hate him more intensely. We will see at least two more years of gridlock. It would be a bittersweet victory.

    If Romney wins the middle class and poor might as well just commit mass suicide. We will have a full fledged plutocracy where only the little guy will be asked to sacrifice. We will look more like Russia than ever before with the very rich and the poor and nothing in between.

    It’s a sad time for this country.

  218. If Romney wins the middle class and poor might as well just commit mass suicide.

    This is the kind of ludicrous bullshit and lies I will be glad to quit reading here if Obama should lose. This is ludicrous bullshit parroted from those bad at math and having zero knowledge, being completely dependent upon MSNBC providing their teaching.

    There has never been a President in 80 years where the poor and middle class have been more under served and squeezed than under the tutelage of Barack Obama.

    I guess our host has already forgotten the theme of the first debate. Depressed wages, inflated consumer staples, little hope for employment, part time work, far higher healthcare costs, and their children’s future mortgaged.

    The only people who have benefitted under Barack Obama are people with money in their 401k – of which he had nothing to do with.

  219. “If Romney wins the middle class and poor might as well just commit mass suicide.”-R

    Man. Your denial of what has happened to minorities and the middle class in the last 4 years is epic.

    Bank of America president getting Wallmart rich off food stamps all the while piling on absolutely unprecedented debt on your daughter. College grads competing against Mexicans in the landscaping business.

    Meanwhile your family went from a 3000 square house to an apartment. Wake up, dude.

  220. Rmoney is a criminal on a much grander scale than Obama. He has ties to organized crime including involvement with narcotics trafficking and money laundering. A little digging brings up a lot of dirt. Google “Panama-Bain”, for starters. I did not even know of the existence of the Mormon Mafia and their ties to the CIA and FBI.

    But then, I have found many revealing things regarding Obama and his CIA connections.

    It is so true that things are not as they appear. We’re screwed no matter which one of these psychopaths gets the vote.

  221. “He is an extremely solitary man. He’s the most introverted president we’ve seen in the United States for decades.”

    Barack Obama’s biographer Jodi Kantor.
    If that is the take of someone who needs you I think it is pretty telling how obvious some of your Presidential flaws

  222. For anyone that cares what poolman is babbling about vis a vis his chlorinated hallucinations PressTV ,the official english language propaganda tool for the Iranian regime are floating stories that the “mormon mafia” and the CIA are in cahoots and did the Benghazi deed.
    I don’t know about money laundering,I am aware of a story that Bain began with investments from Salvadorans who had ties to the repressive regime back in the day. These stories were fleshed out and aired years ago.
    pools shows the classic paradigm of a conspiracy kook. Wait long enough for history to ebb and pounce on the ignorant masses with bullshit.
    pool,you are a special kind of shit. You and newt……two for the road for sure.

  223. There is a long history of Rmoney’s dad’s involvement with organized crime in Mexico. Mitt’s just carrying on in a family tradition.

    Another incident our MSM is not reporting or is intentionally distorting is the murder of CNBC’s VP’s children, now being blamed on the nanny. It was retaliation for running a story (now taken down) on the 43 Trillion dollar lawsuit filed against the banksters runniong our government.

    http://www.dailypaul.com/260706/cnbc-digital-vps-children-murdered-after-43-trillion-bankster-lawsuit-suit-post-post-removed

  224. Oh shit quick…someone tell the Wall St journal Market Watch that they should take down the “advertisement” story on their site or one or more of their kids will be killed by a Mormon Mafiosa.
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/major-banks-governmental-officials-and-their-comrade-capitalists-targets-of-spire-law-group-llps-racketeering-and-money-laundering-lawsuit-seeking-return-of-43-trillion-to-the-united-states-treasury-2012-10-25
    There are far more credible concerns about the law firm filing the case in Brooklyn

  225. Ignore him Alfie. Tool™man is Newt with small penis.

    In fact, when the inane like Tool™ make those claims, I think it in your best interest to simply tell them to “yell a little louder.”

    The more these stooges campaign for Obama, the worse Obama looks. Vagina 2012.

  226. 😆 Latex R Toy. Give me an R. Give me an E. Give me a C. Give me a T. Give me a U. Give me an M. What’s that spell? Bend over, boy.

  227. “If Romney wins the middle class and poor might as well just commit mass suicide. We will have a full fledged plutocracy where only the little guy will be asked to sacrifice. We will look more like Russia than ever before with the very rich and the poor and nothing in between. ”

    Prove it. Obama is the one that offered to sell us out to the Russians. We have it on video, and you still support the traitor. But that is just how you brothers roll. A cracker does a crime, you’re all over it. Bottom line is a coward like R doesn’t back up his statements, he just vomits them out.

    As for poolman I think its clear which side he is on. All he needs is a turban and a machete. Then he can get back to recreating the Holocaust.

  228. Noah, why don’t you recap your Dafur trip while your wife was 8 months pregnant? I think the room might find it interesting.

  229. Loon map……lol. Dude has been spewing state propaganda from the Iranians since day 1.

    Veterans Today is my favorite work coming out of Tehran.

  230. Obviously I hit a nerve poolman. You are welcome to attack me as long as you feel is necessary to regain your composure. I give you permission to tell my story and to interject any creativeness that flows into that crazy little mind of yours. Always has been easy to tell when I hit a little to close to home with you. Have at it nutter.

  231. Maybe we are not getting through to Rutherford because we are not speakin-his-language. Let the brother translate for us…

  232. Tex – you missed the obvious anagram for poolman – lampoon.

    For ET – eel grit

    PFesser – I can’t think of anything in English. The French is obvious and intentional.

    Rutherford – “rod her turf” – I won’t even go there…

    Blackiswhite – god there must be hundreds. How about “bat chili skew” – almost got “stew” there…

  233. Rutherford predicted that little will change if Obama wins. Hot Air reports the Manhatten Institute says differently. Over 50 EPA staff members are working to implement new rules before 2013 in case Obama loses.

    The regulations would essentially prevent the construction of new coal powered electric plants and the additional restrictions on oil and gas extraction would cost the economy at least $700 billion.

    The next president will appoint at least two new Supreme Court justices.

    Obama told the Russians he will have more flexibility to negotiate with them after the election.

    Obama blamed the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina on Bush and in 2007 , he continued problems were the result of Republicans’ not liking blacks. The government has failed many parts of the New York City area. Maybe the Obama administration doesn’t like whites and Hispanics.

  234. I found confirmation. Hot Air “I feel like a victim of Hurricane Katrina” has a video. The Associated Press, New York Post and London Daily Mail report many people have had no contact with FEMA or other government agencies.

    Obama blamed racism for a slow response to New Orleans’s damage What’s good for the goose. Why doesn’t our president like caucasans? Or the goose will say “heck of a job Barry.”

  235. Radio station KFAB has a News You Can Lose feature each morning. One today is that Mayor Bloomburg finally decided to cancel the marathon. Republicans are happy because they don’t want two Kenyans to win in the same month.

  236. Pfesser,

    Tex – you missed the obvious anagram for poolman – lampoon.

    I was looking for the quick response as effect.

    You’ll note there was a very short lead time in response to the idiot’s idiocy and his post. Loon stuck out like such a sore thumb, and throwing in a minute or so for the delay in reading and another minute to respond, I was looking for the quick and immediate bitch slap. 🙂 Lampoon is equally as good.

    It really only came down to using MAP or AMP in conjunction LOON – either apropos.

    ————-

    P.S. – Can I state for the record after reading these polls today, I have no idea who is going to win this race? I have never seen two sides with two groups both pretty good at reading the tea leaves be so confident their side is going to win. Michael Barone I think the best in the business and he predict a huge Romney win; but Joe Trippi for the other side has been doing this for a long time too and believes after looking at the counties, Obama will win comfortably.

    And being I live in the proverbial bubble of OBAMA SUCKS country, it is now impossible for me to cast a prediction worth two dead flies.

    I will still stick with Romney – but that more a wing and a prayer than any real confidence.

    Amazing our country so polarized.

  237. Lampoon is good. I was going to do “Latex Tory”, but everyone might not get the tory reference.

    I guess Noah doesn’t want to take a chance to float his Dafur fantasy here. Yeah, you hit a nerve. 🙄 Right. More like my BS meter pegging.

    Rabbit is the state propagandist and he thinks I speak for Iran. Funny. Keep up the indoctrination, bud. Your masters need you. That’s what you get paid for.

  238. Well just saying poolman we know your down with your turben brothers to see Israel wiped out. They are afterall the problem right? The evil bastards sitting there taking missle strikes and defending thelselves…being threatened with erradication and they have the nerve to build a wall and ask for peace. There is a special place for people like you.

  239. There is no longer any confusion who the party of hate is, even R cannot dispute, manipulate or twist this. Democrats are the problem.

    After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. ~Valerie Jarrett Senior adviser to Oblama.

    We need to understand there is no working with these people, there is no compromise. We need to seek these people out. We need to know who they are, we need to not do business with them, we need to not hire them. We need to discriminate them in every conceivable way. We need to drive them from our ranks. Your kidding yourself if you think this is radical, this is exactly what they are doing to us, and we need to wake up fast.

  240. Just to clarify the previous comment (or sound, to be more precise), if a Depression is coming, it’s coming. Romney ain’t gonna be able to do a damn thing about it as it will likely come from forces beyond his control. The question is can he mange the damage as well as Obama did?

  241. Rutherford questioned: “Why didn’t Bakke bitch and moan about the less qualified white guys that got in when he didn’t?”

    Because there weren’t any.

    So you’re admitting that Bakke was the least qualified white applicant to the school? In that case, he didn’t deserve to get in, PERIOD, regardless of what was happening with anyone else. He was a dumb f*ck.

    Maybe you wanna re-think your answer PF?

  242. tea party-backed Rep. Allen West struggles.

    From Raji’s article on the outlook for tomorrow. Ahhhh that’s music to my ears. Let West get a teaching job at West Point, preferably “How to Interrogate Witnesses 101”. 🙂

  243. Ahhhh that’s music to my ears.

    Of course it is R, that is just how you brothers roll. Kind of fun sitting back watching you self destruct and eating one of your own kind because you think he uncle tom’d you. cha-ching-karma drops another notch.

  244. ‘Rutherford questioned: “Why didn’t Bakke bitch and moan about the less qualified white guys that got in when he didn’t?”
    Because there weren’t any.’

    “So you’re admitting that Bakke was the least qualified white applicant to the school? In that case, he didn’t deserve to get in, PERIOD, regardless of what was happening with anyone else. He was a dumb f*ck.
    Maybe you wanna re-think your answer PF?”

    Ah, so you want to play a little game, Professor Falken? OK, I’m in.

    Just for the argument’s sake, I’ll stipulate that Alan Bakke was, as you say, the dumbest white guy who applied for UC Davis med school that year. (He was not).

    Because he was the least qualified white guy doesn’t mean he was the least qualified GUY though, does it? And unfortunately for you, he was not. UCDavis had reserved sixteen places for minority students – not a one of whom was even close to Bakke in qualifications – yet they were admitted/he wasn’t. Why?

    He was the wrong color.

    Your turn.

  245. The question is can he mange the damage as well as Obama did?

    If that’s the depth of your questioning and half the country as shallow as you, what will it matter? The question you ought to be asking yourself if you were honest or intelligent, is how did Reagan prevent a Depression then, leading to 27 years of sustained growth?

    Do you know that I had an epiphany today? It was about you, Rutherford. But the lesson was for me.

    Four years ago when I met you, you were a likable soul. We disagreed, but the exchange was one of more of two school boys pushing each other than ill will. It is not that way anymore.

    You and many like you have allowed yourself to become immersed in a lie. And it has destroyed you. You don’t recognize it from where you sit, but I do. You’ve become bitter. You are a shell of your former self and your writing and responses show it. You’re no longer a man of thought or reason, but reflex and anger. I hope Obama was worth it. He has used you and you don’t even know it. Like Obama’s revenge, to whom and what cost?

    And I doubt you even really remember what it was that at one time brought you a measure of happiness about the man. You now fight a war with no reason and no reward, but not man enough to admit you were wrong. A momentary victory won’t change that.

    ————

    A blog friend asked a legitimate question today with example.

    The estimated property damage from Hurricane Sandy will likely approach $100 Billion. To put President Obama’s profligate spending in perspective, try to imagine one Sandy sized storm hitting somewhere in the United States every 25 days or so from the start of his term to its conclusion this coming January. That is what $6 Trillion looks like as measured in destruction.

    Question: Where exactly did all the money go? What do we have to show for it?

  246. Regarding 236, no, no insult was intended even if my verbiage was blunt. “My brother works at GM” in the original Tigre comment was meant to lend credibility to the comment. It was only fair for me to inquire without getting in too deep, just what this work at GM entailed.

    Now that you’ve explained it Tigre, do I understand your brother was more involved in foreign markets and territories and not that mapped into domestic issues with the company? If that is true, wouldn’t GM executives more exclusively involved in domestic production be better mapped into what was going on?

    Now, I fully admit, I’m having trouble grasping the balance of your comment. So I guess the only thing I can ask to simplify things because again, much of what you wrote in 236 went over my head, are we really to believe that first Bush, and then Obama stuck their fingers in GM for no good reason and that if they had not, GM would have gone through bankruptcy and emerged as a car company capable of employing at least some subset of its former employees, and there would have been little to no supply chain impact? (Ford which did not request a bailout still wanted the other two bailed out because the supply chain impact would have hurt Ford also.) If this is so, why the f*ck did Bush and Obama do it? You can’t say ideology because Bush and Obama didn’t share an ideology. Were they mislead by advisers?

    Seriously, for the sake of reaching an understanding, I will accept that 236 adequately explains why GM and Chrysler would have emerged in some shape or form from a non-government-involved bankruptcy. Now with that said, why did the government intervene?

  247. Now with that said, why did the government intervene?

    Tigre, you can talk yourself blue, but the man is not going to get it. Ironic, because if Rutherford is nothing else, he’s a political animal but apparently still under the illusion of government and union purity.

    You would think Rutherford would be the first to understand the magnitude and scope of the union vote it what has become somewhat of a swing state.

    Comic gold in not recognizing it. 😐

  248. Barack Obama will be absolutely savaged by those Rutherford has chosen to assist in creating his own perceptions.

    This is a very interesting point. I was watching Ana Marie Cox on MSNBC today. She’s not a regular on the network but a lib just the same. To see her and Martin Bashir talking about this election like Obama is a slam dunk made me cringe. I cannot in my wildest dreams figure out how these folks will react to an Obama loss. Tex suggests they’ll throw Obama under the bus. He is right to the extent that the first debate performance will be claimed as the point at which the election was lost. Beyond that, I don’t know how much savaging will go on.

    I think we will see some accusations of racism … some lamenting that our country has taken a step back. The fact is Obama simply hasn’t done an outstanding enough job for racism to be the only answer for his defeat. Make no mistake, folks have been seen with signs or t-shirts saying “put the white back in the White House”. There are a good number of racists licking their lips for an Obama defeat. BUT just as racists couldn’t keep him from getting elected in 2008, I don’t think they’re capable of getting him out in 2012. If he is defeated, it will be way more complicated than that.

    But I digress … there are folks on MSNBC who will have trouble facing the camera late tomorrow night if Obama goes down.

  249. BTW, not that it’s anybody’s business, but we made a cell phone contribution to the Red Cross like the one PF discussed in the thread. One advantage of technology … the ability to remove barriers to giving.

  250. But, your defense of Holder and your indifference to the seriousness of what those guys did was unconscionable.

    Yet Rabbit, you don’t give a moment’s thought to the fact my sister had to wait in line 3 f*cking hours to vote in Florida because the Republicans have made early voting as difficult as possible.

    Four stupid black guys in Halloween costumes that most people walked right past without a second’s thought has your bowels in a knot but hundreds of voters going through a hellish experience to vote … with the clear intent to DISCOURAGE them from voting doesn’t bother you in the least.

    Pffffft.

  251. Pfesser, my vote, Tigre’s vote is meaningless for the simple fact that our states are bright red. I’m sure Tigre will vote like I will out of civic duty.

    You’re an intelligent man and accomplished man. You’ve lived a good life. I don’t really know where you stand in your vote, but your vote could be imperative. Don’t waste it on a write in candidate. Romney is not going to become overtly religious. He realizes this is a secular country.

    When you vote tomorrow, remember the words of Reagan:

    “Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free”.

    That should be your driving principle tomorrow.

  252. PS…Newt, I’m not so much a realist as I think the American Dream is dying and I see no reason to think it couldn’t. I’m not being flip or overdramatic. Romney/Ryan and a handful of state victories might have been able to right this vessel (50/50 odds at best), but it’s undeniably taking on water. An Obama victory will be like blowing a hole in the hull.

    Yeah, Muffy … when Romney and Ryan take over, lobbyists will suddenly stop their grip on Washington. The big banks will suddenly no longer be too big to fail. Filibusters will stop being misused. Yep … a Romney/Ryan win will save the American Dream.

    You finally earned your coo-coo award. Congrats.

  253. Voting is the best revenge? Revenge for what?

    I can answer that. Revenge for being lied to by a campaign with no scruples, revenge for a GOP congress that did everything it could to bring this President down. That’s just for starters.

    If Lady Luck shines on us and Obama pulls this out tomorrow night, I will want very badly to take either Obama’s victory speech, or Romney’s consolation speech (I ain’t picky), roll it up, and shove it right up Mitch McConnell’s ass. Then we can watch the turtle’s head go back in his shell from the pain. Traitorous f*ck! 👿

  254. Rutherford, it is like odds, if the election was held today, one hundred times, Obama would win 71% of the time. It does not mean Obama would have 71 votes to Romney’s 29%. Better?

  255. You know, Rutherford, the real shame is that we both want the same thing.

    ‘Real median household income in the United States
    has declined for the fourth year running. It is now lower than it was in 1995. Even more startling, when the current,
    grossly defective CPI-U (All Urban Consumers)
    price index is used to deflate median household
    income, it is lower than it was in 1969.

    The happy talk notwithstanding, the income
    gains that should have been expected during the
    working lifetime of baby boomers have been
    washed away in a flood of red ink.
    Not only has real income plunged, but the
    preconditions for another economic crisis are
    getting worse. Contrary to the usual experience
    during recovery from depressions, income
    dispersion has increased during Barack Obama’s
    reign. It is now at an all-time high in the United
    States. This means that under Obama, there
    are (relatively) more poor Americans than ever
    before. The rich are earning a greater percentage
    of income. The middle class is rapidly shriveling.
    The occasional, cynical observation that the
    United States is becoming a Third World country
    is now verifiable by income patterns as expressed
    by the Gini index. The Gini index or Gini
    coefficient, named for Italian statistician Corrado
    Gini, is a measure of dispersion generally used to
    quantify the degree of income inequality. A Gini
    index of one would signify total equality, where
    everyone had the same income. A Gini index
    of 100 would mean that a single person earned
    all the income. The current U.S. Gini reading,
    now about 48, is higher than those of Argentina,
    Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Cambodia, Cote
    d’Ivoire, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Fiji, India,
    Jordan, Guinea, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Mali,
    Nigeria, the Philippines, Russia.

    But it would be a grave mistake to
    suppose that pretax income distribution is only a
    factor of individual productivity and effort. It is
    also more informed than most people suspect by
    the vagaries of monetary and fiscal policy.
    To get a hint of this, you need only look at the
    dispersion of income in the United States before
    and after Richard Nixon repudiated the gold
    reserve standard in 1971.

    As Kenneth Gerbino has pointed out, the
    shift away from gold-based money to a pure
    fiat system, where money was borrowed into
    existence or created out of thin air, resulted in a
    drastic loss of income by those who work and
    save, and a gain for those who embraced debt as
    a means to acquire resources:
    “Obama’s policies have led to record income inequality.” “It is the paper money created out of thin air
    that creates the unfair distribution of wealth that is
    making the middle class fall more behind and the
    poor more poor,” Gerbino explains. “Newly created
    money and credit in a paper money system benefits
    those that can access the money first and buy capital
    goods and real property at one price before the new
    money circulates and makes all prices go up. Wages
    also do not keep up with inflation and that creates
    another squeeze on the middle class… The bottom
    90 percent of our citizens went from owning a big
    piece of the income gains (65 percent) in the 1960s
    to being squashed in the 2002–2007 period to 11
    percent.”’

    James Dale Davidson, “Financial Intelligence Report” Oct 2012

  256. Because I know damn well in inner cities, voter fraud is rampant.

    LOL and you insult Poolman? Puhleeeze. If Romney gets elected it will be a clean election. If Obama gets reelected it will be dirty. You’re so full of sh*t you attract flies.

  257. Excuse mean me it should read, It does not mean Obama would have 71 votes to Romney’s 29 votes. Rather it is like betting odds.

  258. Another chance to soothe your brow….does this remind you of something from four years ago? Football stadiums full of cheering fans in Colorado?

    Reminded me of a Klan rally without the hoods. A sea of white … yeah that’s the ticket!!!!

  259. Regarding 280, my late mother probably would have laughed at that video as plain silly. What I want to know is why the young lady dressed up as a shaved vagina? 😉

  260. We may never know but I think when PF gets alone with that voting booth, he’ll pull the lever for Romney. VA is up for grabs and he dislikes Obama too much to throw away a vote.

  261. THEN the two years of Romneys pre-re-election sends him to Mt Rushmore.

    That will be a challenge … they’ll have to carve his face twice … once looking in opposite directions. 😉

  262. Rutherford, still angry. Your responses to Pfesser this evening indicate that you live in denial, and like I’ve noted recently, you’re either incredible naive or not terribly learned. Rabbit understands poor Black America than you do.

    You live not 20 miles from 3rd world who make sport of gang banging. You live in a metropolis where more of its political leaders end up in prison than retirement. The black ones enrich themselves with Shakedown and go clinically insane. Ahhh…how’s that thief Je$$e Jackson Jr. doing? Does my heart good.

    You should quit being a pussy and move from the white burbs where white households with 20 gauge shotguns are the only thing keeping you from getting your apartment door kicked in.

    Your ass belongs at the end of the Trinity Church pew, collecting food stamps for Rev. Wright’s mansion in the burbs.

    Bleat for me, while you stuff the ballot box at his whim.

  263. I quoted Gallup? I quote so many things that are ignored, I move on. I’m neither pro or con about any of these polls. I’m beginning to wonder how they can possibly be accurate when only 9% of the people respond.

    Unlike you, I know a thing or two about statistics. Now as to whether that favors Romney or Obama about bad polling and bad math, I do not know.

    I’m only interested in one statistic from Gallup – what’s the turnout.

    And today it was R+1. If that’s really the case, ignore the numbers. And kiss the toy messiah’s ass goodbye as you go to bed tonight. 😉

  264. Hey Rutherford,

    I’ve noticed you like sleeping with those Klan look alike? 🙂 And apparently, you’re a hell of a lot more comfortable living amongst the Klan too. What’s wrong? Them hot mommas with big booties unappealing? Believe me, that’s one thing we can relate. 340 foaty and filthy? Phew….

    What’s so great about being diversified when your crowd made up of the most helpless, the dumbest, the misfits, the most underachieving and uneducated?

    Do they come for the music or the free food?

  265. Alfie thanks for the City Journal article. My only question is that I think the article ignores globalization. What I mean is, in a company that only has the US labor pool to pick from, such things as deregulation, Federal debt reduction, and lower taxes could indeed give these companies more confidence to expand and hire more folks. But the availability of cheap labor overseas has permanently changed the equation. No matter how attractive you make the domestic economic environment, if these companies can save a buck by outsourcing to a “foreigner”, they will do it. I’m no economic expert but I believe a lot of these deficit reduction models that supposedly stimulate the economy don’t take into account how offshore outsourcing plays into the the greed of the average company.

  266. Does 500 military brass surpass one feckless Colin Powell?

    Not when 500 represents only a small portion of our enlisted men and women. Believe me Tex, Colin Powell speaks for many many people. He is a reasonable rational man whose only regret is that he got suckered on the WMD’s. His endorsement sent the GOPhers into a tailspin back in 2008 and so unnerved Sununu that he came up looking the bigot.

  267. Hello, everyone. I believe that God know what He is doing and that whatever happens tomorrow is His will. I have dropped by from time to time and am saddened by the fighting, so have decided that this is not really the blog for me. I wish you all well. Thank you.

  268. Guys, the heat is going to be on for the next 24hours, and the time is ripe for saying a lot of shit to each other that we will regret. I’m not going to watch the returns tomorrow, much to my wife’s dismay. I just can’t take it; I hate them all. I’m going for a nice long nighttime bike ride in the cold air. Maybe it will clear my head so that I can cope if the wrong sonofabitch wins.

  269. Yes 500 military brass surpasses one man, even if he is Colin Powell.He does speak for many people, but most of them are not in the military.

    You mentioned a sea of white faces at a rally in 2008. The blacks and browns chose not to attend. They would have been welcome, if for no other reason than a photo opportunity.

    Race based affirmative action should have run its course. A book by Prof Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor “Missmatch: How Affirmative Action Hurts Students it is Intended to Help and Why Universities Won’t Admit it.”argues that class based preferences do more good than racial quotas.

    Clarence Page read the book and decided the authors were right.

  270. If the wrong one wins, I will mourn for a few hours as I did last week after the funeral, and then I will get over it. If anyone gloats too much, I will enjoy the battle.

    Too many good things are happening. For example, I play a bit role in a history of Cold War soldiers which is being released this week.

  271. Not when 500 represents only a small portion of our enlisted men and women. Believe me Tex, Colin Powell speaks for many many people. He is a reasonable rational man whose only regret is that he got suckered on the WMD’s. His endorsement sent the GOPhers into a tailspin back in 2008 and so unnerved Sununu that he came up looking the bigot.

    I would remind you that these men you discount, most equally decorated in achievement with Colin Powell. but without the Washington, the politics and punditry and failed Sec. of State term, are 500 to 1. The fact you can even make this statement only demonstrates you are not a serious man.

    Rutherford, I won’t beat around the bush anymore. I have you gauged as average man on the street. You’re not a capable opponent – your an aging Sensico full of transparent propaganda that wouldn’t fool a marginal high school student.

    Most of enlisted men will vote 70-30% for Romney tomorrow, Rutherford because enlisted men, the bravest amongst us, know bullshit and a slovenly cowards when they see one.

    Powell endorsed Bomba because he is black and Powell is black. The reasons Powell gave sounded like you. Prevented depression, good job on the economy (laughable), fulfilled his promises. 🙄

    Period.

  272. I laugh at Tex calling me angry as he posts some of his angriest comments tonight. To be expected from a man who admits he has no idea what country he lives in.

    Enjoy voting for your candidate tomorrow, a man of such courage he fled to France to avoid Nam. Save your love of military nonsense. Mitt’s not fit to shine John McCain’s shoes.

  273. I agree, John McCain was a genuine hero. Bill Clinton of the same generation was also a draft dodger. Do you also say Clinton is not fit to shine John McCain’s shoes?

  274. R, I’m afraid Tex does a better job articulating my frustrations than I do. He’s right,I can talk myself blue in the face, and you will continue to play 20 questions without bothering to try and understand. You have conditioned yourself not to learn or understand but to search for affirmation.

    First, I ask that you refute what I said and explain to me why Obama administration take over (“invest” snicker) in GM if it was not viable? Why did creditors and bond holders get the shaft but not the unions? Why are they marketing products no one wants to buy?

    Now. as for my brother, you can’t be serious? Mapping out the domestic strategy? This is GM, formerly the largest company in the world. Emerging markets = profitable. North America = not profitable. What mapping goes on domestically with regard to GM assets and liability excludes one market from the other? Which markets would’ve survived had there been liquidation? Your effort to discount my brother’s opinion (offered by someone that would’ve lost his job had GM done what he proposes) is meaningless. The scope of this is truly beyond your simplistic grasp. Claiming ignorance makes your comments no less insulting. I know what your driving at in addressing my brother’s position, and it isn’t substantive. It’s a personal attempt at ad hominem attack — the starting and ending point of most of these discussions on topics you are incapable of digesting. .

    In mentioning my brother, the point is/was, you should expand your universe of the situation beyond what your propaganda station MSNBC offers. Try reading up for one. Include what Romney actually would’ve proposed before dismissing it. Many, many smart business people don’t agree that the plan put in place by Obama was the right one. Many also do not believe the parade of horribles or that “the auto industry” might not be better off had ordered/ the takeover not occurred rather than structured bankruptcy with selective liquidation. It was of course the “industry” that was supposedly being saved, not just one company with assets of value to other manufacturers that would fill the void, right?

    So let me dumb this down and try a Hail Mary knowing in advance you will glaze over and disregard it because it won’t fit the MSNBC narrative you slavishly adopt.

    First, the claim that the bailout of GM and Chrysler saved 1.5 million jobs is preposterous. It is based on the faulty assumption that if the two had gone into normal bankruptcy proceedings, the entire enterprise of automobile manufacturing in the United States would have collapsed — including Ford and foreign manufacturers in the US like Toyota, Honda, BMW etc. It is also preposterous that every parts maker, supplier, services arms etc. involved in the US auto industry would have collapsed.Interruption?? GM and Chrysler would not have have stopped production during bankruptcy. Manufacturing would have continued with interest and debt being cut. HOWEVER, to Tex’s obvious point, union contracts would have been renegotiated. It is far from the truth that the GM bailout saved 1.5 million jobs by a mile (look at it now) but it did preserve the toxic union arrangements and unsustainable legacy expenses on the tax payers’ backs. If you don;t see the politics in that you;re beyond help. Don’t you remember Gettelfinger’s position on them while GM and Chrysler had their tin cups out? They might be stupid but they ain’t dumb.

    So, the short answer to your question is, “because of the unions.” If you want to see what unions would’ve done to themselves without its friend the government preferring its interests above all others, look no further than what happened to Studebaker.

    Second, what Bush did and Obama did were hardly the same thing. Bush offered a $17.4 billion bridge loan on the condition that it draw up a deeply revised business plan. . So e did so without congressional approval. After Congress voted specifically to prevent an auto bailout, Bush relied on TARP which Congress had passed Paulson that their failure to act would cause financial ruin.I think Bush made a mistake leaving the union contracts in place and relying on an impossible plan of restructuring without it.

    Obama on the the other hand effectively nationalized the company. He violated all normal bankruptcy processes and legal precedent to protect the UAW. He sacrificed GM’s bondholders relieved GM of tens of billions of dollars in tax obligations by offering a 4 year look back for losses it had sustained (but was never required t recover from). Obama upped the ante to $85 billion. $85 billion tax payer dollars from an unlimited political line of credit. Rattner fired Wagoner, forced out GM’s chairman and and put in place his own, Ed Whitacre. Rattner’s picked staff, micromanaged GM’s relationships with its suppliers and foreign subsidiaries, chose the facilities it would close, chose the brands it would kill, set the pace at which would shed dealerships,considered forcing GM to move its iconic Detroit headquarters etc. etc. Suffice it to say, Bush and Obama hardly embarked on the same course of conduct in private industry. It’s looking like the sharp decline in GM stock will result in a $23 billion loss for US tax payers as a result.

    And those jobs? jobs doing what? Manufacturing automobiles that are not competitive unbelievable government subsidy? Subsidizing losses on GM’s most unproductive product lines is nothing more than a welfare program.

    Third, Romney and non bailout bankruptcy proponents, the proposal for a structured bankruptcy would still have necessitated substantial federal involvement but with one huge difference: the union contracts would have had to have been been renegotiated, and GM’s executive infrastructure cleaned out to allow private investors to see future self-sufficiency rather than perpetual life support for unprofitable manufacturing follies, e.g. the Volt.

    That’s all I got for you R.

  275. “How can anyone hate Standard Time? Every year that I get that hour of sleep back I feel like a million bucks for at least a week or so.”-R

    Agreed. That extra hour is manna from heaven. Nothing better then an extra hour on a chilly Sunday morning.

    As for your revenge thing….are you being serious? Do you really think Romney’s campaign was dirtier then Obama’s? Dude….they made Romeny out as some one who killed a chick. As in an individual with a name…..snuffed out by Willard. And don’t tell me that wasn’t the campaign.

  276. And, maybe a little late to bring this up…..but how in the fuck did Biden get away with pretending he didn’t vote for war?

  277. From a military standpoint Clinton is not fit to shine McCain’s shoes.

    Obama on the other hand is more than ten years Romney’s junior. I don’t think it’s fair to apply that standard to Tex and my generation.

  278. Save your love of military nonsense. Mitt’s not fit to shine John McCain’s shoes

    Four years ago you were bad mouthing John McCain as incompetent, Rutherford. Now you’re using him as prop. You told us Mitt Romney was weak and incapable for months. And then Romney destroyed your little toy soldier in the most one sided debate in U.S. Presidential history. Rutherford, do you know much credibility you really hold on your own blog with your track record and astute predictions, Mr. Whig? Don’t be deluded.

    Angry? Not hardly? Frustrated with your flippancy, undeserved arrogance and dishonesty? Absolutely.

    What brave incursions has our Jivin Ivan-in-chief accomplished again behind the enemy lines? Running from his overbearing Klan grandma (have you heard that story) as another black man skirted his duties of fatherhood and played sperm donor. What a fine testament to Choom’s legacy that he was raised by a commune of communists!!! No wonder he’s so screwed up. He’s in arrested development, married to an entitled shrew and a turd of equal worth – nothing.

    You bet I’m incredibly disgusted with this country. IS THIS WHAT WE’VE BECOME? BARACK/BIDEN? In a sane and uncorrupted world, this wouldn’t be close. 225 years ago, a man of Obama’s poor character would have been run out on a rail and abandoned, much less provided a position of power.

    Let me tell you what really bothers me. I haven’t hid it from anyone here. Romney was not my first choice. Paul Ryan was actually my second choice as President. But after observing the last four months, I have decided this is the best Republican ticket I’ve had the opportunity to vote for in 28 years, your lack of perspective and stupidity in response not withstanding. So let me flip you the bird now.

    The fact that an abortion like Joe Biden rates as V.P. is a disgrace and shameful. 225 years ago, they would have flogged Joe Biden, then hanged him in effigy, his plugged doo mounted on a pike.

    It makes me sick to my stomach that I have to share a country with you clowns, much less carry your worthless, helpless asses.

    It’s like a comedy with huge personal consequences and its conclusions uncertain.

  279. And, maybe a little late to bring this up…..but how in the fuck did Biden get away with pretending he didn’t vote for war?

    The same why they’re hiding Barack’s gross negligence in Benghazi, Rabbit. The corruption is systemic.

    I’m not kidding guys. Rutherford is nice enough to use his blog. We ought to slide right on by him as insignificant huckster. But some of these other media Ministers of Propaganda?

    Isn’t it long overdue for a good hanging, at the very least a life changing beat down?

    I hope someone gets tired of this shit and goes sudden jihadi, Timothy McVeigh style. If that’s to severe, a George Tiller execution style on set.

    I couldn’t keep two hands on the keyboard if I could watch Chris Matthew’s head vaporized.

    You pass that on to him for me, Rutherford on your little girl twitter account.

  280. NOT TO BE MISSED!!!!!

    I may make this my gravatar.

    You tell me gang if this is not Obama’s entire four years of hope and change summarized perfectly in one picture.

  281. I understand Rmoney personally profited from the auto bailout. It is suggested as the main reason he refuses to show his tax returns from 2009. The UAW has filed ethics charges. It is estimated he made at least 15.3 million and his Wall Street donors made about 4 billion from it. Supposedly a 3000 percent ROI. Yeah, baby. WTG! Capitalism über alles!

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13328725-mitt-romney-faces-ethics-charges-for-auto-bailout-profiteering

  282. If the wrong man is elected, I will be pissed for about 48 hours, then I am going to disengage, and take care of my own the best way I can.

    2013 will set the stage for the next 20 years. Personal freedoms will begin to erode at an expedited rate. Government over the next 4 years will invade the most personal parts of our lives and through punitive taxation we will be forced to live the way our government has decided is best for us(them).

    The past four and the coming four years will be known as the time we departed from the path our founding fathers set for us and started on the journey into hope and change. Change where we leave behind allies of old and take on new friends in the Middle East and Asia. Change where we let go of our tyrannical ways and shed that that conceited belief that we were the greatest nation on earth. Through our new found humility we will embrace the UN view of a one world government. Emperor Obama, as he will one day be known, will chip away at the Constitution one executive order at a time until what remains is a document that is a monument to his own greatness. It will be our August 24th A.D. 410.

  283. I love it when Tex gets so excited that he stops spelling words correctly and then, true to form follows up with a comment with a correction JUST in case some petty bastard corrects him for saying to when he meant too.

    Have a good night boys and girls … I’m going to bed. Tomorrow’s gonna be a long day … hell we might not know who the damn POTUS is for a few days if Ohio is too close to call (although I think Ohio is going Obama).

  284. OH, I saw that Rutherford. I’ve just been waiting for you to drop that big gift.

    Unfortunately, you’re stupid enough to believe the world wants a strong America and therefore a fool like you reads those polls as we are much beloved. You have no idea the underlying message there.

    I especially adore that overwhelming Muslim vote of confidence. Sure gives me the warm fuzzies when Pakistan, China and Russia overwhelmingly support Obama.

    Are you feeling good about the endorsements of Fidel, Hugo, Hamas, and Hezbollah too?

    See, dangerous, useful idiots like you don’t understand the world. You think the U.N. is an organization of peace.

    When in fact, this poll is the best indicator yet that Obama has managed to damage and weaken us, fool. You and useful idiots like you would hand the United States sovereignty to the U.N. if you could and I doubt you’re bright enough to even realize it. I’m sure you approve of their overseeing our polling places this week. And did you see the response of the Attorney Generals of Texas and Iowa? We get it. You don’t.

    However, and this is my major point. Did you happen to notice that one country is suspiciously missing? A country where the absentee ballots are tallying against Obama 85-14 as of this weekend? No?

    Well, why don’t you give some hard thought to who it is that is missing. You won’t understand it, but you might at least take note. You’ll need to know why if you last that long.

    Just like Obama’s powerful cult of personality would have the Muslim world love us too, as we found out in Egypt and Libya that wasn’t quite so.

  285. To be a fly on the wall tomorrow night at the Rutherford house when Pennsylvania starts slipping away from Obama, and Wisconsin puts the laurel wreath on Paul Ryan’s head as its new V.P.

    Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado, and perhaps even Iowa safely in the Romney column.

    What is the Lawson family going to do without MSNBC as they savage the former failed President?

    To be a fly on the wall (as long as they wear PJ’s). The thought without to terrifying to contemplate.

  286. Off to the polls. Sorry cow-fuckers. I wish there were on all ballots, “none of the above,” and if “none” gets a majority, they have to re-run the election with new candidates. Ah, to dream the impossible dream…

  287. I keep forgetting that Hill-billics doesn’t always translate. “Sorry cow-fuckers” refers to the general condition of the candidates, not a regret to my compadres. Maybe “sorry-assed cow fuckers” would be clearer.

  288. Most people I have seen voting. I arrived 20 min before the polls opened and I had an hour and a half wait to get my vote in. Was nice to see them asking for ID and scanning them into a computer before handing us a ballot.

  289. I must have done something wrong. My original message didn’t post.

    The New York Times wrote that though Fox and MSNBC are biased, at least Fox forced other news organizations to report on Benghazi. MSNBC has become little more than Obama’s propaganda wing. The writer observed that NBC reporters are embarrassed.

    Newt is wrong. Romney is a moderate who played a conservative to win the nomination. Barry Goldwater, a true conservative lost so badly he complained remaining Republican officeholders had barely enough people to play four hands of bridge.

    The Reagan revolution followed. Obamaites believed conservatism was dead until the TEA Party stopped them. i think Romney will win though we might not know until next year but even if Obama wins, Democrats will lose in 2016,.

  290. This morning and accompanied by her adoring father, a newly minted, green eyed, blond haired beauty and Republican cast her very first Presidential vote – I confirmed that the vote was indeed Mitt Romney and Jim Bridenstine. So I am sure there are two Mitt Romney votes across this nation today.

    We slugged it through the zombie dead wearing Barack Obama hijabs and turbans, a couple of New Black Panther goons, sixteen Fat Granny nags in wheel chairs, walls manned by Orcs for Obama resembling hundreds of Rutherfords. Putty in our hands.

    Her father was quite proud and everyone of the blue hair crowd we stood with told her congratulations, with her father beaming. She blushed, left the polling place, looked over at her father and said,

    “That was boring.” 😈 I told her, “You won’t think so in 20 years when I am dead and gone. You’ll be breathing fire like the old man.”

    Longest line I’ve ever stood in for a vote. Too bad Oklahoma can’t win the state lottery and represent the vote for the nation. Obama would be moving to Cuber about 7:15 CST this evening.

  291. No worries. Ever heard of Ted Cruz? Say hello to the next Hispanic President Tea Party candidate of Texas as of about 9:00 PM this evening, pumpkin.

    Plus, I guess you never heard of The Alamo? 😈

    Read your fairy tales. Not going to happen. In fact, Texas is close to catching Oklahoma red if you haven’t noticed.

    And you’re forgetting something most important, pumpkin. The most important factor in the entire Hispanic populace once they figure it out. It’s not even immigration once Pres. Romney squares that away – something Baracko lied about.

    African-Americans. Hispanics hate them like a bowl of burnt beans. 😉

    That little war is coming to head soon too in Tejas. I’ll sit back and pop some corn, watching Shelia Jackson Lee treated like pinata.

  292. Newt~Sorry James, you and your fellow angry white voters didn’t have enough children; you are being replaced by nonwhite voters.

    Newt~Poor Tex, you are never going to give up your bias.

    Newt=Hypocrite

    So Tricky-dicky Bill is out asking people how they could vote for a guy who tells them lies. First, Clinton, right after Newt and Rutherford, is the last person to be lecturing anyone on truth telling. Second, ANYONE in the Dimocrat party talking about telling the truth after the treasonous acts that happened in Libya needs to have themselves checked.

  293. Interesting the Black Panther party is out with the billy clubs again intimidating voters. It is also interesting in the same state that Democrats in charge of voting are barring any GOP from being in the voting areas, kicking some 75 out. Are these the actions of an honest people?

  294. Poor Tex, you are never going to give up your bias. You poor soul.

    I thought I was racist? Is biased worse than racist, or racist worse than biased? Does it go like Racist > Bigot > Biased?

    I want to be a racist then. 😈

    I’m just telling you, I got some Mexican pals here in the neighborhood that own their own concrete company. They even drink Corona with me. Rebuilt my driveway too – and they’re pretty darn good.

    That’s what they tell me. They won’t pour concrete for African Americans because they keep getting stiffed on the payment.

  295. Newt, I am covered either way.

    I have many relatives scattered about the country. A third are blue eyed blonds, and a few of those also have Asian eyes because they came from Sampni in northern Scandinavia.Our family also has Koreans and a Filipino. They are Republicans because they have seen the mess Democrats have made of California. And a second cousin has been dating an Hispanic since she graduated from high school.

    How can one be angry or pay attention now while watching Katy Perry sing Last Friday Night on YouTube? 194 million viewers can’t be wrong.

    Besides, red states produce more children.

  296. I wouldn’t bet on this but I give it to Obama 275, Romney 263.

    I give Romney solid south including Virginia. I give Romney Colorado. I give Obama Michigan Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    I’m on my iPhone. When I get back to my computer I’ll share a link with my electoral map (h/t to Alfie).

  297. Huh what article did you read? Did you even read the headline? As usual Frum is more right than wrong. Our elections are broken. I’m so disgusted with the crap going on today this may be the last year that I vote until the process gets fixed. BTW that’s regardless of who wins.

  298. Huh? Did you read the article?

    Americans worry more about voter fraud than do voters in other countries, because they are the only country without a reliable system of national identification.

  299. My wife and I walked to our polling place this morning to deliver our early ballots. It’s at my grandkids’ school, around the block from my house. As we walked up, a man came up to us and asked if we wanted a free bookmarker. My wife says, “Sure!” No way was he 75 feet from the entrance. The “bookmarker” was a list of GOP candidates and the GOP’s choice on how to vote on the various propositions.

    I did not see a UN observer or any one of the 4 NBPP members. Only republicans. Lots of republicans.

    I walked in and told them we had our mail in ballots and we wanted to run them through the ballot machines. They told us to put them in the box designated for the early ballots. I told them I would prefer to run it in the ballot machine so as to be sure they were counted, like I had done plenty of times in the past.

    When they wouldn’t let me, I caused a scene. I told them I wanted assurance my vote would be counted. They assured me it would and it was only provisional ballots that were not counted unless the race was close. Besides, they said, I could vote twice if they allowed me to run it through the machine. I didn’t see how, but they weren’t budging. I did not feel like having a run in with the authorities today, so I relented and reluctantly obliged. I loudly claimed that at least these were NOT Diebold machines, since those were easily MANipulated™. I think they were glad when I left. Ha!

    I wrote in Ron Paul. My wife voted Gary Johnson. My oldest daughter voted for Obama. My youngest wrote in Ron Paul. No Rmoney votes in this family. Yay!!!

    Now, can we get back to normal life? Or is this now the new norm? 😈

  300. Hey dude I’m not just being “nice”. It ain’t over till its over. I didn’t get Ohio VA or Florida yet. Keep your wallet closed for time being.

    Although I have picked a charity that based on your previous comments you should feel ok about. More later.

  301. Well Rutherford, after looking at my tea leaves, looks like you may have won. The way that Florida is trending, I can’t see Romney winning.

    I’ll have to take my lumps from you Thursday. I’ll be out of town until tomorrow evening. I’ll stop by to have my ass kicked then if I get a chance.

  302. Ok right after I retracted it Warren confirmed as winner. Lesson learned: Martha Coakley really sucked as a candidate not worthy to succeed Kennedy. Warren, whole different story.

  303. It has nothing to do with Warren, Rutherford. She’s a liar and will prove an ineffective, because there are few places in America she would be elected besides Massachusetts.

    The problem is Massachusetts is Massachusetts. If they put an accessory to manslaughter in the Senate for 40 years, I think it is foolish for any Republican in a normal year of high turnout like a Presidential year to expect to win in MA. That was always a pipe dream IMO.

    Here is a hard lesson I have learned tonight. This is a far more moderate country than I ever dreamed – most of it centered in urban and coast. And they outnumber us.

    I am very surprised by Florida and a little surprised that Wisconsin went so early. Otherwise, this election has gone about as expected.

    There is no doubt that the demographics of this country have changed and the country has changed from 32 years ago.

    32 years ago, this would not have been a close election. But with the influx of the massive Hispanic vote and the secularization of our country, Republicans are indeed now in the minority and will remain that way. That’s not changing anytime soon.

    But my question to you if you are to be fair, is at what cost? We are now $200K in the red per family due to federal debt. Middle class wages are continuing to be squeezed. There is no economic recovery and Obama has no economic plan. What you had in 2010, you will have in 2012.

    The house is Republican. Nothing will be done. Nothing. How long can we continue down this path? Your victory will ring hollow.

    Are we to become Mexico? Are we to become broken Western Europe. That’s the way it is heading.

    This country is not nearly the country it once was. If you can’t see the deterioration, you have you head in the sand.

    P.S. – I got a double whammy. Claire McAskill just won. ** GAG **

  304. Alfie is done. Going to bed looking forward to moving back to my ancestral home. I am shocked and dismayed and gravely disappointed.
    I can’t imagine the USA has come to this point of divisiveness and collective stupidity.
    I can honestly say I don’t think I have it in me to go on and that includes my previously drafted goodbye posts. I had some nice things to say about you guys perhaps I’ll cobble them together and publish them.
    Good night,good bye and thanks for the memories.

  305. You are right Rutherford, Coakley didn’t think she had to campaign, a big D behind her name was enough or so she thought. Wrong!

    I have been watching the senate races and so far tonight it has been a good election for women. Low and behold the majority of voters think women are smart enough to have control over their own bodies! believe it or not women, most women would never choose abortion, but we do want the choice to be ours.

  306. Tigre, you and I did everything we could do to convince them we’re on the wrong path. I’m not going to apologize for that.

    But it is far worse than the O.J. verdict.

    Unfortunately, when the bottom drops out, it’s going to get you and me too.

    I have to admit. I am stunned that America just adopted a new SCOTUS and Obamacare willingly.

    I’m going to have some very serious thought to exactly which way I want to go from here, because I have badly underestimated the character of this country. Rutherford will poo poo this off as melodramatic, but do you realize what really just happened tonight? 😦

  307. I’m not being coy here–damn you boys throw in the towel early. The MAJOR swing states have not been called. I did hear that Mitt has to get something like 5 out of 6 key states but c’mon boys the least you can do is keep rooting till the end.

  308. The dependent class has taken control of the check book. The FFs are spinning in their graves.

    Alfie, best of luck. I may join.

    I am totally disillusioned and dead cold scared about the direction of this country. Thank God the House is not controlled by the ugly left.

  309. I was wrong. More low information and dependent Americans exist than I thought. Newt is right. Demographics favor Democrats for the long term, but I thought Republicans could pull one last success out of a hat and buy some time to repair the damage.

    Rome fell piecemeal with enclaves surviving for several generations., I live in such an enclave, so our family will be fine. We also tend to be long lived and healthy. I pity some of the rest of you, even if Romney can still win.

  310. Sorry guys, well not really, the Republican Party during this election played to an increasingly extinct electorate. President Obama is reelected!

  311. Congratulations Rutherford. You beat us fair and square. No excuses. I gave it my best, but you had the better perspective, no doubt. The machine you guys have constructed is incredibly tough to beat.

    I’ll take my lumps tonight. 😀

    I’m not even going to provide forewarning. I will simply let the ramifications of this election play out the next 24 months.

  312. “The house is Republican. Nothing will be done. Nothing. How long can we continue down this path? Your victory will ring hollow.”

    And after what Reed said about Dems stonewalling him, they will not have any excuse to complain when Republicans do the same. I predict the Tea Party will resurface and make it clear Republicans are to hold their ground and grind the process to an unyielding halt.

    421
    The wife and my father-in-law are having that serious conversation yet tonight. We are voting in a man that has done despicable things in this country. Were this the 1940’s, Obama would have been shot as a traitor for the things he has done.

    The conclusions we have come up with is we are too far gone to save. The propaganda machine of the Democrat party has done its job and the people can no longer see what is being done to them. It is time to circle the wagons and tend to our own kind. In the morning my FB friends list will shrink by more than half. This is where tolerance and trying to work with them has taken us.

  313. Not really. This election was very close. It’s a divided, partisan, unhealthy nation. Obama may end up only the 5th president to win without the popular vote. Maybe by a million. The rich get richer under Obama. The poor become more dependent. Bail outs and hand outs rule the day and influence elections. The middle class shrinks. Journalism is dead. We are going default if this keeps up. That’s my boomstick, Newt. We are going to collapse if this keeps up.

    It’s on “you people” to set us on the right course.

    If “you people” can’t…..the time for talk will be over.

  314. Me too….I’m just going to let the ramifications play out as well. What can we do. Try to protect my kids, for they will ultimately feel the brunt of all of this.

  315. Lol…..Noah……you had me until you ultimately concluded with halving your Facebook friends. Oooooh!

    I don’t keen to needle…..but that sounded hilerious.

    I’m with you though. Tend to your own. Time to tribe up. This national debt will never get fixed. We will collapse.

  316. You know what, Rabbit. At least five people understand what you just said on this board. Millions more around the nation do. These Democrats (I’ll be polite with the big win) are living in denial like a two pack a day smoker.

    But I am so disgusted with the path of this country and so tired of trying to convince the Newts of the world I am right, and having my faith mocked – I am to the point of simply protecting my 401k account, buying a chunk of gold, getting my children out of school (my youngest finishes in May), telling my representative to allow these folks to raise the rates on high income earners as Obama campaigned, and letting them have at it.

    And when the collapse comes, and Iran has the bomb and our national security is jeopardized, and if these folks continue to excuse and remain in denial and are covered by a corrupted media, then the time for talk will indeed be over.

    Obama has no where to go. He went negative and won. But he has no plan.

    And then we can either part ways, or choose sides.

  317. Yep. Je$$e Jackson Jr. won from the Mayo Clinic – literally being treated for schizophrenia as we speak.

    Now you tell. What does that say about the real character of the Democratic Party and its conclusions?

  318. Savanah Guthrie said Obama has more hope than plan. He refused to work with Republicans before. Why should he now?

    Our family has already begun to go tribal.

  319. Rabbit, look where tolerance has taken us. We have never been this bad off as a country. I think the time has come where we have to chose a side. This choice that has been made tonight has devastating, irreversible consequences.

  320. Quit it with your nonsense right now! We are Americans, all of us! So grow up and stop the whining, you knew damn well Romney was a big liar and a fraud just like the rest of us.

  321. Newt, you suggested a weather discussion, and I wrote I didn’t feel like it then. Now, I do.

    In my opinion, external forces primarily drive our weather. The sun is one of the most powerful Our ocean’s heat transfer cycles also play a role in climate maintenance and change. The plains area undergoes a twenty year drought cycle which dates back at least 500 years.

    Dr. Elynn Taylor ISU extension climatologist says we are entering the upper level of a 90 year drought cycle which will culminate in a 1930’s Dust Bowl pattern around 2025. Our weather is now equivalent to the late 1920’s.

    Our green house gases, especially methane, are influencing our weather, but they are only overlaid on large scale trends. Our US climate would be warming with or without green house gases. Dr. Taylor estimates about 6% of any change per year is human caused..

    A British study showed the world’s climate has stablised for at least a decade, and the Climate Gage scientists noticed the same thing. “Hide the decline” described their attitude.

    As of now, we have no way of economically stopping the human contribution to climate change.

  322. I agree we are still all Americans, but if you don’t believe Obama is an even bigger liar and fraud than Romney, I know more than you. That is a cheery thought.

  323. What is a real shame here is that Romney never got to run against President Obama. He ran against Hillery, and Clinton, and Biden, but NEVER Obama.

  324. Ms. Muffy. I’m sorry my chin up didn’t work. I thought I had a better handle on it than I did. Next to Mitt Romney, I feel second worst for you. 😦 I tried.

    But let me ask you a fair question. Who are we really fooling. Who the heck are we fooling? I feel terrible tonight for Mitt Romney. Clearly, he is the more qualified candidate. I’m certainly not going to fault the campaign.

    Hear me out.

    ——–

    New York has been handled no better than New Orleans and possibly much worse. New Jersey may never ever fully recover unless billions of dollars are poured into it and I have no idea where that would come from. And Barack Obama is to be congratulated for his Presidential management and photo op of Chris Christie? It that some kind of sick joke?

    I’ve watched Elizabeth Warren get away with lies that would make Baghdad Bob blush and be elected. I’ve watched two men be handily defeated for Senator because they clumsily once misspoke about rape and pregnancy?

    I’ve witnessed a crime a thousand times worse than Watergate be covered up without penalty or much coverage.

    If over 50% of our citizens so corrupt, so shallow, so fickle, so unteachable, and dare I say so stupid, with double standards so glaring themselves completely amoral, perhaps we shouldn’t be planning a new path to an election win? What do you win but another fight for another four years of stagnation. You can’t manage a country like that as Barack Obama and his cheering marionettes are about to find out the hard way.

    And when Obama fails, they will still blame George Bush and the incorrigible House of Reps.

    Forget that path. I’m through playing that game.

    I’ve got some ideas, but I will no longer share them on this board. It’s time to part company with the Thelma and Louise crowd and get out of the car before we head over the cliff. Time to move on.

    But be of good cheer. I’m a realist but I’m already over the disappointment. Let this play out for a time. Rutherford of all people is owed a crowing at my expense. Lawd only knows I’ve kicked him in the ass. It’s his turn. I’ll take the pain and smile back.

    Look at it as absolutely nothing changed from this afternoon. Because nothing really has. And I’m not sure Mitt Romney could have saved a nation with people like this.

  325. Well James, I’m over it (discussion of climate change) now, I think Gov. Christie is too. How that the President has been reelected the country will move towards cleaner sources of energy. This old saying seems appropriate, you snooze, you loose.
    Peace and good will to all of you, try to get some sleep.

  326. You know what Noah? This Benghazigate is so beyond the outrageous, that for me personally?

    I hope nothing comes of it. Nothing. No hearings, no accountability, no nothing. Don’t even give them a reason to cry witch hunt or partisanship. It’s a losing proposition because the system and the journalists are broken and corrupt. Think I’m nuts?

    Sometimes as parent, and if you haven’t already learned this with your young kids, you soon will – sometimes you got to let an obstinate kid learn the hard way.

    If these Democrats want to play the game of no accountability, I say from this day forward, we play by the same rules. Why don’t we try a little Cloward-Piven in reverse? The only thing holding the game together is the pumping money right now.

    Think I’m kidding? You don’t think red states can’t game the system too? Take a look. We’re 49.9% of the electorate and the largest part of the logistics.

    What exactly is Barack Obama going to do when half the country ignores him? Arrest us? If you haven’t noticed, there’s only a thin veneer of civilization as is between red and blue now.

    Wouldn’t take much to snap the string, so to speak. 😀

  327. How that the President has been reelected the country will move towards cleaner sources of energy.

    😆 Good luck. You’re going to need it. I can hardly wait to watch you feckless imbeciles drive with your solar panels and windmills.

    Clean energy is working so well on Staten Island as we speak.

  328. That nothing changed today is the biggest disappointment of all. But Romney didn’t disappoint. Even his consession speech was a refreshing moment of leadership.

    Thanks Tex. You counted me as getting the rabbit’s drift I hope.

  329. Grow up Tex? If I’m not grown up by now, I never will be.

    And Newt, if you’re the definition of grown up, I’m going to regress back to toddler.

    I know few things as absolute, but one of those is whatever you are, I will be just the opposite.

  330. “Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful, good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean: more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.” — Marcus Tullius Cicero

  331. Congrats Thor. I owe you and Rutherford a tip of the cap. You’ve got a better handle of the American makeup, no doubt. I never thought there was a chance that Obamacare would be chosen by the populace. That actually makes me shudder.

    One question? If by chance this economic wonder Obama has created suddenly craters, at what point does it become Obama’s economy? I know that Mitt Romney’s economic plan was to reinstitute massive credit default swaps for the country {head in palms}, but what exactly is the Obama economic plan?

  332. On this thread or one earlier someone posted a Key and Peele video (the one with the substitute teacher … I think El Tigre posted it). Well to my depressed denizens I offer this bit of comedy from K&P. Sure, it’s a bit of gloating but it’s also funny and it also speaks to some of your irritation at racial solidarity. Who knows when I’ll wake up tomorrow. I am wiped. And honestly folks, this night was as much a shock to me as to you. I wasn’t just hedging my bets with my prior predictions. I always thought it would be close as hell. As it turns out, Obama won by a comfortable margin and unless things change, he will have won the popular vote too.

    Try to have a laugh at this vid and tomorrow is another day:

  333. Newt, none of the green projects like wind farms is economically feasible on a large scale. Thus,we will remain dependent on energy mined from the ground.Obama’s green projects have failed to do much more than enrich his allies. Obama, Christy and other politicians I have heard are clueless.

    “Snooze you lose” is a nice phrase. Another fits if you believe Obama’s solution will work. “I have a bridge to sell you.”

  334. thor, google Traditional Mari Wedding on YouTube.

    I mentioned the Nebraska senate race which mirrored the national contest. Bob Kerry had few legitimate defenses so he attacked Deb Fisher personally.

    Maybe the Heartland has so few people we live the five degrees of Kevin Baken. Whatever the reason, Nebraskans were smart enough see through the subtraifuge and send Deb Fisher to the Senate.. The Nebraska Democratic party is in shambles this morning.

    A guest on Coast to Coast said he didn’t like either candidate and voted for neither. However, he sees faint hope that Obama, now a lame duck may play fewer political games and will actually negotiate with Republicans.

    He also said Obamacare is forcing businesses to cut working hours for their staffs to make more part time. They hire other part timers and thus unwittingly lower the unemployment rate.

    He also predicts another Obama recession soon. Another analyst foresees $5.00 by March because of Obama’s energy policy. As last nights election showed, we live in a favored enclave, and the economic downturn will not affect us as much as it will many of you.

  335. Well, at least we know at my firm how employee health insurance will be handled. I hope our peeps will be gracious with the news.

    Tex, I mentioned OJ because I made a huge mistake in going to hang with my cigar buddies to watch. I was the only white guy among 60-70. I had to leave before it was all fully clear about how it would be called becuase I couldn’t stand the racial chants and comments — actually coming from people I like and otherwise get along with. My more informed and wiser black friends had enough sense to stay away (believe it or not conservative blacks do exist).

    Like the angry cheering and false belief of racial “victory” in OJ, they know not of what they’ve done. Played. Four more years of fostering racial and gender divisiveness, incompetence, gridlock, attacks on business, depression level unemployment in the black community, executive orders to circumvent congress? Have you located any nice land in Costa Rico? Let me know. Rabbit is right.

  336. Greetings to my wise friend Rutherford, and to the rest of “you people” as well. Long time no see!

    The day that we have all anticipated has finally arrived – the end of the 2012 election cycle! I am ecstatic about how things have turned out – Obama is secure in the White House for FOUR MORE YEARS, with a slightly less-secure House majority for the merry men led by the hopefully-chastened Boehner and Cantor. As a huge bonus, Harry Reid’s Democratic caucus is a bit larger, and his control of the Senate soon will be stronger than ever after emasculating Mitch McConnell and his beloved filibuster on Day One. The Democrats’ Senate strength will exceed even that brief moment when Ben Nelson (D-INS) and Joe Lieberman (I-INS) were counted among an alleged 60 in a filibuster-proof the Democratic caucus.

    No more filibustered Presidential appointments! MUCH less mindless obstruction. After all – Obama can’t be re-elected any more. Right, Mitch?

    Laissez les bon temps rouler!

  337. Special thanks is due to extremist Republican primary voters for handing Senate control to Democrats in the form of Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) and Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-IN). It’s a follow-up act to the gift Dems got from these same “tea party” extremists in 2010 in the form of risible Senate nominees Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, and some guy in Colorado. That’s a total of at least five “gimmie” seats (and Harry Reid’s re-election) thrown to Democrats by “tea party” astroturf and its billionaire backers in the last two cycles. Thanks, guys! Many happy returns!

  338. Just a few remaining thoughts this morning.

    To whatever degree women influenced the outcome of this election I can only say that I hope you like what you see around you because you’re going to see a lot more of it. To the women figuratively and literally dressing up as vaginas, stuff a sock in it honey.

    The majority of college-educated single women bought Obama’s unproven and fraudulent medicine, and his legacy of concealment and broken promises. Married women backed Romney, 53 to 46 while unmarried women choose Obama, 68 to 30%.

    One of these college-educated unmarried women I know said the other day that she wasn’t too uptight about the election but had voted for Obama because he was for equal pay for women.

    Yup. That’s right, sweetheart.

  339. I remember that in 2004, gay marriage became legal in Massachusetts during the big middle of the presidential campaign. And I remember thinking at the time that this would doom Kerry and re-elect Bush. I was right. That tilted the scales to Bush in Ohio. Without Ohio, Bush would have lost in 2004.

    Eight short years later: gay marriage won four out of four elections at the time of a high-turnout presidential election. And an openly gay person defeated a once-popular governor for a US Senate seat.

    I personally know any number of people who have done a 180° turn in their attitudes towards gays when a friend or relative comes out.

    Last night’s election shows that the political dominance of old white guys (like me) is fading. A record number of female senators were elected – mostly Democrats. Republicans got squished by minority voters – especially the presidential ticket. The voting public is becoming younger, less white… and more tolerant.

    Will Republicans continue to cling bitterly to their culture-war (metaphoric) guns? Yeah – probably.

  340. You gotta wonder how billionaire “tea party” backers and other major contributors to right-wing super-PACs (like Karl Rove’s American Crossroads) are feeling this morning. Let’s listen in……

    “All that pressciousss money that I and my lobbyists and tax lawyers worked so hard for, that I made all by myself without any government help, flushed right down the commode! Our flood of dark money changed NOTHING! The Hated Kenyan will still be in the White House, but now he’s unaccountable. Disgusting Democrats will still be in control of the Senate, more so than ever. And that damned gadfly Elizabeth Warren will be making our lives on Wall Street miserable… If anything, things are going to be WORSE for us, not better.”

    “Karl, you didn’t deliver for us like you promised! We wasted our money on you. You were supposed to be “Bush’s Brain.” WHAT brain? And Karl: how much money did you rake off from all those billions in anti-Obama money that we sent to you every time you called? How much, Karl? Did you play us for suckers, Karl, or what? Karl? Karl?”

    Winning definitely takes money. But winning doesn’t always go to the MOST money. That’s a hard lesson for plutocrats to learn.

    (Someone really should find a way to keep Donald Trump away from Republican functions – really! Aren’t you embarrassed?)

  341. spoogechin, You voted for a traitor. Pure and simple. Your kind cried that Romney flipped on issues, and when Obama did it on gay marriage you commend him for it.

  342. graychin, I’m not embarrassed, about anything. I am proud of what we did. You reveal your inability to discern reality when you describe the Tea Party as extremist while accepting Obama’s leftist extremism.

    “you gotta wonder…” is inane. Everyone already knows. George Soros and the monied boyes felt the same when Bush won and the Tea Party changed Congress during the next election. yours was a thinly veiled attempted to gloat, and anyone beyond the second grade caught on. you need to try harder.

    I am pro- choice and pro gay- marriage, so those issues cut no ice with me.

    I agree, Republicans must adapt to the changing demographics. Feckless nerdowells, and people living in the poverty Obama helped create are becoming the majority. Republicans may need to pander to the parasites among us. (In case you didn’t get it, I am exagerating for effect.)

    A rough time is ahead, and I have mine. You had better be gathering seeds for the coming winter.

    “And you take your time
    And you stand in line
    Well you’ll get what’s yours
    I got mine.”

    :Lil Wayne

  343. i am no fan of Donald Trump, and he is an embarrassment, but he did not watch four of our men die in Bengazi and later lie about it. You voted for an embarrassment. Maybe if the Donald had run guns to Mexico and let even more people die, he would have gained the same chacet you have bestowed on our pathetic excuse for a president.

  344. “kids” ? You wish. You may aspire but you will never be more than a kid compared to the people you mock. I know because I watch you operate on this blog.

  345. Scott Brown, who once promoted himself as Republican Filibuster Senator #41 in a pickup truck, tried unsuccessfully to morph himself into “Senator work-across-the-aisle.” Massachusetts voters weren’t fooled, and Senator Elizabeth Warren remains a rapidly-rising Democratic superstar! She is a worthy occupant of the Senate seat that Massachusetts voters gave to Ted Kennedy for so long.

    This morning, Senate Republicans might regret that they didn’t agree to let Warren be appointed to run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Karma?

    And how DARE a fourth-generation Oklahoman like Warren claim American Indian ancestry! What are the odds? And she doesn’t even LOOK Indian! The NERVE of that woman!

    2016?

    Warren vs. Santorum! Bring it on!

  346. James is right. Obama has changed his mind on gay marriage. So has the American electorate.

    I guess we’re a nation of flip-floppers.

    But except for that, Obama is pretty much the same radical left-wing Kenyan anti-colonialist socialist terrorist-coddling America-hating guy that he’s always been. Right?

    I wasn’t making a point about Romney being a flip-flopper when I was talking about gay marriage, but since James brought up the subject – does anyone actually know, even today, what Mitt Romney’s core beliefs are – or if he actually has any core beliefs beyond the opinion that he should have been president? Deep down, is he the the 1994 Massachusetts Moderate who ran against Ted Kennedy for Senate, the alleged “severely conservative” governor, or a weathervane who said whatever he thought his audience wanted to hear at the moment?

    A gradual evolution of one’s opinion on a subject like gay marriage is hardly comparable to a sudden conversion on the road to the White House.

  347. If I haven’t already made you angry enough to extinguish subdue any remaining vestiges of your ability to reason, consider this factoid:

    Demographics spell ultimate doom for the Republican Party.

    Jeb Bush put it best: “I don’t think a party can aspire to be the majority party if it’s the old white guy party.” In this cycle alone, Republicans couldn’t have done a better job of alienating numerous huge blocs of voters – even if that had been its primary objective! Women? Check! Hispanics? Check! Gays? Check! Younger voters? Check! Non-Christians? Check! LIberal Christians? Check! Almost everyone alienated except… old white guys. If only Mitt Romney had been Mexican, he might have had a better chance. 😀

    But what about blacks? Well, how could blacks get any more alienated from the Republican Party? Blacks have consistently voted 90%+ Democratic for decades now – even long before major political parties nominated black presidential candidates. Yes, Republicans made a VERY few, VERY feeble attempts in this cycle to reach out to black voters, reminding blacks of the Republican who freed the slaves 150 years ago, and of the Congressional Moderate Republicans (an extinct species) who aligned themselves fifty years ago with Northern Democrats to pass the civil rights legislation of the 1960s. But are black voters really weak-minded enough to dismiss what the Republican Party has become in the past forty years or so? Some GOP luminaries must think so. Today’s GOP is the last refuge for segregationists who were kicked to the curb by Lyndon Johnson’s party (like Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and their progeny) but welcomed today with open arms by the successors to Nixon’s “Southern Strategy.” And the SS has definitely worked its magic! The Solid Republican South is more solid today than the Solid Democratic South of FDR ever was.

    It is very true that not all Republicans are racists. Not even a majority. Not even close. But most (white) racists ARE Republicans. Can anyone actually disagree with that?

  348. Elizabeth Warren is a fraud who claimed Indian genes to steal a racial preference seat reserved for true native Americans. Moreover, one of her ancestors helped send Cherokee Indians to Oklahoma.

    She with her high cheekbones, blond hair and blue eyes is as indigenious as I am–Scandinavian Sami.Several of my relatives look like her. My cheek bones are like hers.

    Brown provided the vote which temporarily blocked Obamacare. Good for him!

    Warren is another leftist who claimed she was the inspiration for OWS. I agree, she is a worthy heir to Ted Kennedy, the coward who let a young woman drown in his car while he suffered from the vapors.

  349. Karma is a bitch. The GOP “Southern Strategy” is having a very high long-term cost to you. Your party is getting older and whiter, while the country is getting younger and browner. In my lifetime (and I’m getting old), America is likely to become a minority-Anglo nation for the first time since about 1600 when Europeans began to outnumber the North American aboriginals, with a big boost from European guns and germs.

    For any of you who might still have that white racist bent in you, here are a couple of my favorite lines from horror flicks for you to masticate on:

    “Be afraid! Be VERY afraid!” (Geena Davis, “The Fly,” 1986)

    “Where you gonna go, where you gonna run, where you gonna hide? Nowhere… ’cause there’s no one… like you… left!” (Meg Tilly, “Body Snatchers,” 1993)

    The only Republican chances in future elections will necessarily depend on deliberate measures to suppress voter turnout among those likely to vote Democratic.

    (Oh – wait!)

  350. “how dare a fourth generation” woman declare Indian ancestry? Indeed. By her standards her 1/32 genetic ratio makes me a flaming Sami. I ought to be herding reindeer from instinct.. My guess is she has more Sami or Viking blood than Indian. A few Icelanders have traces of Indian genes. it doesn’t make them Indians.

    Your description of Obama is an over stated caricature which reflects your apparent inadequate understanding of most Republicans.

    Thank God that woman did not serve on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She could have done more damage as an administrator of a bureau than as one of many Senators.

    Your description of Obama is an overstated caricature which reflects your apparent inadequate understanding of most Republicans.
    ]

    Obama is a socialist raised by socialists and communists. He joined and or was allied with the socialist New Party. Spare me the Kenya and other fertilizer.

    Republicans have made desultry efforts to engage blacks for years, and they have gotten little for their effort. Why should they waste precious resources on a lost cause. Better that they concentrate on Hispanics and others where they still have a chance.

    I agree about the racism, but the Democrats are ridden with racists and sexists of all races.Several entertainers admitted they voted for Obama because he is black.

    I also agree about the demographic bomb shaking the Republican party. They will not win another presidency unless they adapt, or unless Obama takes us to a new low.

    I don’t care about Romneys’ core beliefs as long as he does his job well.The same applies to Obama or accused rapist Clinton. Bill was a pragmatist who knew how to adapt. Obama acted on his core beliefs with costly results.

    Changing an opinion over time is not flip flopping, and you know it.

    I hope you stick around. You are fun.

  351. I had nothing to do with the southern strategy.

    It worked for forty years, and one reason it succeeded was the leftward drift of the Democratic party during the Vietnam War. Democrats left many people behind, and they chose Republicans who more reflected their ideologies. Many were racists, and many weren’t. Leftist Democrats are as racist as conservative Republicans.

    Why do you write what you know is untrue? Republicans cannot win by voter surpression. They can win by making common cause with Hispanics.

    “Where you gonna hide?” What chu talkin about sport? I have very white skin, palle blue slightly slanted eyes, light brown hair and when I grow a beard it sports two shades of red, blond, and brown in well defined patches. I’m a sight to behold. There is already no one like me.

    As I wrote, i do agree about the demographics.

  352. James, meet G-chin. Now that I’ve made the introduction, he’ll be calling you a racist any moment now. He’s a one-trick pony.

    You’d love his genius sidekick, Yellowdog. Claimed he had a Phd in some king of physical science, then when his pathetic bluff was called, he slithered away. Yellowdog’s comments are Newt quality. It kind of gave away the false academic claims. Hell, maybe they are the same person.

  353. Thanks El Tigre. The video makes me want to yell ‘HEE HAW11″

    Thanks for the warning. Let them bring ten of their friends so they can make a real cluster F.

  354. Congrats Greychin. I’m glad you are so happy with the direction of the country, particularly the current trajectory of minorities.

    Question for the libs here. Do you guys have any rubric for Obama at all? Is there anything quantifiable that you expect to see 2 or 4 years from now?

    Or is really just about rooting for a team. Maybe blaming others. Do you have expectations?

  355. Well, I see the greaser and coward slithered out of his zero trafficked blog to expose his pompous ass. Where you been, lumberjack? I’ve been waiting around to slap your useful idiot face, and you slinked off.

    Let me tell you something about Graychin, James. This is a sack of shit that has the unmitigated gall to call us racists and lives in a zipcode, yes an entire zipcode, without one “African American.”

    They don’t get more hypocritical than this one foot in the grave, old fart. And the gutless wonder wouldn’t leave Buttfuck, OK, if his life depended on it. He’s still tending mammy to grab the inheritance.

    Of which I might add greasy Graychin’s district went from ‘D’ to ‘R’ last night.

    You may prance around about the big win, but your miserable existence just got even redder last night, asshole. We’ll continue to make your day-to-day meaningless in red state OK.

  356. Tigre & Rabbit,

    I got back this afternoon and have gone from disappointed, to resigned, to reasonably upbeat, to furious. I couldn’t for the life of me understand what happened. So I did a little investigating.

    Did you guys see the vote? This wasn’t some Obama groundswell as I first thought and couldn’t understand.

    At least 7,000,000 Republicans who were planned to show up in force, some who voted for Obama but still voted in 2008, never even bothered to show up. The turnout for 2012 is significantly less than 2008! And that’s the game, set and match.

    I was absolutely positive after 70MM watched that first debate, that everyone was fired up.

    Good grief. If you can’t get motivated to vote Obama out, then you deserve to be serfed under this fascist’s tutelage.

    There is such a disconnect anymore in the Republican Party, they deserve to lose.

  357. I confirmed that the vote was indeed Mitt Romney and Jim Bridenstine.

    Excuse me? You verified your daughter’s ballot? If I were your daughter I would have said my ballot is my business, keep your eyes on your own ballot old man. What would you have done if she’d voted Obama, make her start over?

    BTW, there actually was a story yesterday of a mother who took her young kid to the polls with her. When her daughter saw that she voted for Romney, she screamed “NOT HIM!!!” and made such a fuss that the woman had to get another ballot and vote for Obama. LOL

  358. Thanks Rutherford,. Crazy is a short trip for me.

    Thanks for the information about graychin. Was that his best or was he trying to lull me into a coup d/ grace?

  359. Excuse me? You verified your daughter’s ballot? If I were your daughter I would have said my ballot is my business, keep your eyes on your own ballot old man. What would you have done if she’d voted Obama, make her start over?

    If you were my daughter, I would have had you aborted upon delivery. We’re not going to have something f…ing up the lineage of good looks. 😈

    Having seen your mug, I can ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY verify you aren’t my daughter.

    Verified? I filled out it out for her. LOL. She’s ask me how to vote, I’d point to the blank. She’d give a cursory read, and say OKAY. The only one she balked on was the affirmative action take down. She looked at me and asked, “Does this have anything for equal pay for men and women?” I said, “80%?” When I answer like that, she knows the old man is lying. Check. That passed too.

    That’s how you win over new Republicans. Got my nephew talked out of voting for Obama too.

    Undoubtedly, I was one of the few. The election was a disappointment. But the turnout was a kick to the balls. Damn, what is wrong with people anymore. The only thing I figure is they’ve totally given up on the country.

  360. Reality, President Obama won all of the battleground states, it did not take much to see it coming. But I guess when you get all of your “news” from Rush or Fox Noise, it must have been quite a shock. I tried to prepare you, but you didn’t trust real news sources, maybe you have learned something?

  361. Speaking of rape – what a strange political party the Republicans are! Who ever imagined that pregnancy from rape would become a political football?

    I just can’t concieve (pun intended) of a law that would refuse abortion to a rape victim, or of a religion whose alleged Loving God would condemn such a thing. That’s as abhorrent as anything that might exist in Sharia Law. But that’s exactly where “pro life” absolutism leads.

    Tex – so good of you to show up, we need you for this one. Please tell us sir – which is it? That such pregnancies were always part of God’s Plan, or that such pregnancies just don’t happen? You’re the resident expert here on matters both medical/biological and theological – please enlighten us!

    (And Tex – have you managed to tone down your rage towards both females and gays? One doesn’t have to be Sigmund Freud to figure out where your seldom-concealed anger and hostility towards them is coming from.)

  362. graychin –

    I just want to know one thing: Where the hell have you been for the last two years, while I have been beating exactly the same drum?

    Now that the ReBiblicans have once again shit the bed, they will go into their usual circle-jerk and blame their defeat on “not playing to the base” of the far-right. Their solution? Further right, by God, further right! Onward, Christian soldier!

    You and Jeb Bush have called it perfectly.

    That party is done; stick a fork in it.

  363. I haven’t even brought up the many reality-free Republican policies yet. Just in the past week, the Congressional Research service concluded that tax cuts for the wealthy don’t impact economic growth very much. So of course the GOP buried their report.

    http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/109509/gop-crs-drop-dead#

    And that’s far from the only time that the GOP has buried the facts when facts are inconvenient. For example:

    http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2002243262_terror16.html

    Of course the GOP continues to follow the lead of prominent climatologists like Sen. Inhofe (R-Big Oil) on matters of climate change. But times may be changing. Have you seen Business Week’s recent magazine cover?

    Suppress THAT!

    In addition to generational and racial factors, demographics and evolution also favor reality over fantasy. They really do. This further dooms the GOP. Reality-based folks don’t don’t sit around idly denying reality, mocking Al Gore, and praying for God to smite their enemies while miraculously protecting the Chosen with parted waters. Blame Darwin. Those who deal with reality will survive. Those who don’t… won’t. Except that all of us have to live together on the same planet.

    Or blame God, if you prefer: “I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7) Too bad God forgot to tell Mayor Bloomberg to build an ark this time. Perhaps He was punishing Staten Island for the MANY sins of Wall Street. Or punishing Staten Island for the much more grievious sins of NYC homosexuals. 😀

    (Those last two paragraphs are especially for you, Tex!) 😉

  364. Hey Graychin, about your terrifying letter? You might be careful what you wished for.

    Here’s just a little reminder, Rambo. To what end, while you hide over there in Lily, OK?

    Being I find most liberals on par with cattle in the IQ equivalence, we got to settle a score. Your utopian country will always be blue, for as long as it lasts. My country will always be red and getting redder, contrary to your idiot assumptions. If I’m wrong, remember the Alamo. 😉 Next time you’re in Tulsa, take a little drive through 21st and 129. That’s what awaits Jr. in your utopia.

    Hope they can duck the duck the bullets.

    If you want your grand baby growing up in Juarez, I want your baby growing up in Juarez too. I think that a perfect fit by the way. And they’ll savage little Jr. with MS13 insignia when they’re through with it.

    Fitting ending for your grand hopes for diversity, wouldn’t you say?

  365. Pfesser – I used to post here a lot, but although I enjoy our host I got tired of posting my pearls before the swine that dominate the discussions after hijacking the thread and spewing nonsense. But I couldn’t help stopping by today. Schadenfreude is a dish best served on Election Wednesday. I’ll be fading away again within a day or so.

  366. He was punishing Staten Island for the MANY sins of Wall Street. Or punishing Staten Island for the much more grievious sins of NYC homosexuals. 😀

    (Those last two paragraphs are especially for you, Tex!) 😉

    Not for me. For America. They’re getting to be ready to get hit with another one since they didn’t get the message last time. 😛 Got a Northeasterner bearing down as we speak.

    And I’m going to pop corn and watch with amusement your feckless FEMA operate and the libs scream out in pain while they shit their house.

  367. Why thank you graychiin. At my age, i consider it a complement. It got my attention too.

    The difference is your accusation is without merit because you are trying to make a point. Clinton really is an accused rapist. According the the London Times, Chelsea during a family spat yelled “you rapist.”

    Granted Bill is an intelligent and talented man, but he is a sexual predator. its interesting how Democrats can deify sexual perverts and thieves.

  368. I noticed your Schadenfreude didn’t show up Nov. 2010, coward. You think this over, fool? You told me the same thing in 2008. My suggestion to my brotherhood is not to debate or get even. It’s to pull the tracks out in front of the Obama train this time.

    Where’s your only friend and village idiot? He slinked off too. That worm finally bite the bullet and head across the River Styx?

    Hey Graychin, war hero, lumber jack and medal winner. I have to pick up some lumber in Spavinaw next week at Johnson’s lumber. That’s just a short drive from that cesspool of trailer trash you live.

    Why don’t you bring the wife’s car over so I can check the tensile strength across the hood? I can’t think of anybody I would rather play the role of Buford Pusser. You could use the company. 😉

  369. Re: # 487

    Tex, you’re still the same vicious animal that you always were.

    My mother passed away two years ago, and my brother and I had been supporting her since her own resources dried up about 10 years ago. Fifteen years of assisted living care for a wheelchair-bound person is expensive.

    Tell me again how accepting Jesus changes a person’s life for the good.

    (PFesser – see what I’m talking about?)

  370. “My country will always be red and getting redder, contrary to your idiot assumptions. If I’m wrong, remember the Alamo.” You really are a crazy old man, only thing getting redder is your ass cheeks, Tex. You have been royally spanked and it really smarts doesn’t it? Who do you think won ‘The Alamo?” It was the Mexican army you fool! And another thing MS13 is not from Mexico. Watch some news, read a newspaper….

  371. Newt, Rasumsson said in the after noon that this was the first presidential election which had him stumped. He had no idea who would win. I read that on Drudge, and one of the talk show hosts mentioned it too. An NBC reporter noted that if the election was held a week ago Romney would have won.

    The “real” news sources ignored Bengazi and the lie. Rush, Glenn, and the internet were major sources. Most of the press sat on a story much more important than a wrong guess about the election. That is just one story the networks missed.

    I watch the news, but the talk shows supplement what the others miss.You should expand your horizons. you would be better informed.

  372. Pfesser, you sure do come to some strange election conclusions.

    If you haven’t noticed the electoral map, everyone of those ReBibLican states, perhaps short of Florida, are bright red.

    You want Obama as President, fine by me. But it your enlightened Libertarian states or whatever you classify yourself that are bright blue – that’s Bammy country where you staked the homestead.

    Besides, you told us you didn’t want Romney either. Looks to me like the election was a push for you. What’s the beef? You ought to be happy with the results, should you not?

  373. Nor for nuthin’ but I think Ted Cruz needs to get in line behind Marco Rubio for first Hispanic POTUS. And that’s assuming we have seen the last of Julian Castro.

  374. Graychin, I don’t believe God is managing our affairs in great detail, and I believe in evolution. I do believe in mocking Al Gore, because he deserves it.

  375. My mother passed away two years ago, and my brother and I had been supporting her since her own resources dried up about 10 years ago. Fifteen years of assisted living care for a wheelchair-bound person is expensive.

    I thought you told me you and your “executive” wife were independently wealthy? Why didn’t you put her up in that mansion of yours and save yourself the bills, big shot?

  376. James, it was obvious from Rasmussen’s polls that he had no clue about what was happening. He was a pro-Romney outlier from the git-go. Unless you live inside the right-wing bubble, you wouldn’t have paid any attention to him in the first place.

    How does a pollster like that stay in business? Because you can make lots of money just by telling true believers what they want to hear. How else could Fox News stay in business?

    (I switched over to Faux last night just after they called Ohio for Obama. Wasn’t it a hoot watching Karl Rove in full denial? “NOOO – it’s TOOO EARLY to call!!!!”)

  377. Newt, did we win the NASCAR vote last night?

    Who do you think won ‘The Alamo?”</blockquote?

    Who do you think won the war, dumbass? 😯

    And another thing MS13 is not from Mexico. Watch some news, read a newspaper….

    Here ditz. I read, you learn. Pull that head out of your enormous butt cheeks and learn something:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

    In 2004, the US FBI started the MS-13 National Gang Task Force. The FBI also began teaming with law enforcement in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico.

    Where do you think Juarez is, Newtsico?

  378. Graychin, medal of honor winner.

    Your picture is in the dictionary next to “coward” and “loser.”

    Where’s your only pal, the Village Idiot Assistant? He die too, I hope?

  379. Tex, did you ever get a job? Ever even look for one? Or do you still spend all day and night running your fingers online?

    Are you part of that 47% Romney was talking about?

  380. Here, I’ll talk to the reasonable. Lawd only knows I wouldn’t want to hurt Worm’s feelings anymore as he panders for sympathy after exposing his paunchy ass. It did feel good to break my foot off in it. Been a long time, Rambo. Did you think you were going to come in here unscathed after running your mouth?

    ——

    I would like to make a radical suggestion. The Republican Party never takes my suggestions, so I am sure as this cuts across the grain of conventional party wisdom, it will be summarily discarded.

    Why don’t we allow a measure of flexibility for our Republican House Representatives and this one time, call Obama’s bluff like we should all along?

    Obama may have won, but he’s out of bullets concerning the economy. Let Obama raise the marginal tax rate of the “rich” to 39.6%. Yes, for a small time it will cause a measure of pain for small business and high wage earners. House Republicans can frame it as their wish to be “bipartisan.” But…

    A 4.6% tax increase isn’t going to scratch the surface of Obama’s ballooning debt. It probably will slow growth further for a period of item. It most certainly won’t fix what is ailing the economy. And it takes away the only economic soundbite these feckless libs used so effectively in the campaign.

    We are dealing with bleating sheep with the same attention span. How many times did we hear the lines or hear the commercials…”The same failed policies that got us here?”

    Now, I don’t know about you guys, but I certainly didn’t hear Mitt Romney say he was going to reinstitute credit default swaps with corrupted banks as his economic plan. Libs may not recognize the inanity of that claim, but we do. Why Romney didn’t call the toy messiah on it, I’ll never know.

    But to bleating sheep, American Idol Marionettes, useful idiots, the deluded and unhinged?

    Man, Obama has a plan!

    We need to quit trying to raise the level of discourse and dialogue and take some ebonics to the masses, gang. A perusal of the Obama crowd at the celebration last night has dumbass written all over it.

    A five second soundbite of Republicans being able to use…”The same failed ideas that got us into this Obama mess….”

    That’s golden in Rubeville.

  381. Oh – I forgot. You don’t have to work. You let your sugarmomma support you.

    Correct. A beautiful one too unlike that “executive seamstress” you bunk after a failed marriage or two. Did you finally latch on to one that might keep you down there in the trailer park, Rambo?

    Unfortunately, I’m not part of the 47%. Wish I was. Someday, when I take my boot of your portly throat, I’ll fill you in on my plan of Operation Slacker – we’re going to game the system. Consider it payback for your parasitical party; kind of like a reverse Cloward-Piven.

    As to looking for a job? Are you kidding? After five years of dealing with your nasty ass, haven’t you figured out yet Worm that money apparently isn’t an issue?

    Why would I subject myself to being in the presence of inane overeducated, unlikeable dorks like you, when I can sit here on my ass and throw rocks at your fat head at a time of my choosing?

    Now, what happen to the Village Idiot’s Assistant? Did he burn out, or just fade away?

  382. James, ABC, CBS, NBC don’t cover stories about poolman’s conspiracy stories either, for the same reason. There is an investigation on going when that is complete, we will all know more about what happened and why at Bengazi. Without a doubt you are one of the most unsophisticated men I have ever ran across. Honestly it is astonishing how anyone can be so naive. I don’t think you are dumb and you say you’ve traveled, so I just find it hard to understand.

  383. What was the first thing Obama thought when he woke up this morning? Wow I just inherited the worst economy since the great depression.

  384. Noah, he inherited a mess, didn’t he? 😆 Your comment was funny last week.

    I’ve decided these loons are so unreachable and positively ignorant, Rambo is right. The only way to win is to outnumber them, or perhaps to make their lives so miserable when the water and food turn off…they just simply disappear.

    It’s doable. 😉

    I’m afraid it would have to get to that, though.

  385. Can the GOP reform itself? I don’t think so. Will those old white men tolerate turning ANY control of the party over to THOSE people? It’s not a bottom-up kind of party, is it? Even the supposedly grass-roots Tea Party was astroturfed by the billionaires.

    Rubio isn’t the GOP answer, and seeing him as the GOP savior is typically stupid Republican simple-mindedness. He’s a Cuban-American. Latinos aren’t a monolithic ethnic group, Stupid. Cubans are exempt from the GOP pressure to self-deport. Get it?

    Rutherford, I’m going to take my leave now. Thanks for your hospitality. I got the reactions I hoped for here – in spades. Hope I didn’t cause you to need an assistant zookeeper.

    And this VERY long thread is choking my old laptop.

    The rest of you righties: suck on it, losers.

  386. I’ll bet you came in here looking for that. 😆 What are you, some kind of masochist, lowlife? Wife not beating your chubby ass anymore?

    Just remember, nothing has changed his this time last night. It’s still divided government, and you’re still trailer trash hangin with the wienie dog and Daisy Lou.

  387. Newt, you are besotted by your ideology and ignorance. Do you actually believe the administration is working feverishly to find the truth about the Bengazi attack?The Libyans, Egyptians, and the British had the basic details within twenty four hours. ?We need and will eventually get an independent investigation.

    Meanwhile Obama and his administration were in a fog as they tried to get their stories straight and later spread the lie about the video.

    CBS, i think had a piece of the interview with Obama which showed Romney was correct to accuse the president of not calling the specific attack definitely the work of terrorists. Oddly, they kept the piece quiet until just before the election.

    The New York Times accused MSNBC of being a hack organization with little news value. They wrote the same of Fox, but noted at least Fox forced the other networks to mention Bengazi. If this was one of Poolman’s conspiracy theories, why did the New York Times complement Fox for pushing the story.

    I knew the basic story a couple of days before Rush and Glenn mentioned them.

    i don’t think you are dumb either. I do think you are finding your information in the wrong places and that you are too trusting of our leaders. If this had happened with President Bush, I would have been as suspicious as I am now,.

    My wife and I lived in a thatched -roofed cottage in Essex, UK for two years . We also traveled through much of Europe. People are the same no matter where you go. A Manitoba farmer and I visited so long in a Brandon, Man restaurant the owner told us she was closing down, and we helped her clean up. A Welsh farmer and I had a similar conversation in another time,

    A cab driver gave us a free, impromptu tour in Quebec City because he was having a slow morning. I have stood on the top of Mt. Evans, Colorado and Medicine Bow Peak in Wyoming. I have also been in the Mt. Vesuvious crater and part way up Ben Nevis.

    I’m not bragging. I am illustrating a point. All of those people are the same as in my town or yours. You ought not be so trusting,

  388. Newt, I hope you Google the BBC Weather Centre and check the news links. Another good source is the CBC. The Helsinki Times and the Ukranian News Service are also interesting.

    Did you know Iran manufactors and exports automobiles? They made a deal to build several factories in Ukraine, Their economic growth rate was -1.3 during the last quarter. That news, collectively with other countries may have ramifications for us.

  389. I can’t believe Sheriff Joe got in again. Well, really I can. After all, we got Jan Brewer elected last go round. This state is just so… Well at least we got a great climate and some fantastic scenery, unlike many other places on this continent.

    Why are you railing on Juarez? Juarez is actually coming back. Today there are businesses establishing themselves by catering to a sophisticated class of Americans – unlike the donkey shows and cheap liquor that were the common attractions of the youth back in the day when I was in high school where all the kids from just over the bridge, in what some claimed was Texas, and therefore civilization, lived. Plenty of Americans living there now, too. All throughout Mexico really.

    They’re on an upswing, while we’re on the downswing. We are getting close to being in the very same place. I know plenty that came from there to make a better life here and now I know plenty leaving here to make a better life there.

    Time moves on. Seasons change. Those that can adapt do survive. Those that cannot… well, we generally learn about them through archaeologists and anthropologists. Dinosaurs do still roam the earth. But enough about Tex At least he’s able to bend over and take his ass kicking. Now, we’ll see if Magilla dares show his mug.

  390. The gray chin may be gone now, but here is the rebuttal.Rasmusan has a pretty good record,. I have seen other polls too.

    The Tea Party is not astroturfed. Some parts are, but the grass roots remain active too. People like them may staqe an internal revolution and change the party’s course. Or the old white men will decide their political survival dictates a change.

  391. Newt, I wasn’t writing my life story I was responding to your implied doubt. “you say you have traveled.”

    If you want a shorter post don’t doubt me. Your dailykos link tells us nothing new. I mentioned demographics and wrote that you were right. You frequently post links to kos. A person’s choice of links reveals information. In this case it helps explain why you know so little about Benghazi.

  392. Spoogechin left because he knows in a protracted discussion he would lose. Nothing more complicated than that, its why his kind along with newt, thor and Rutherford are all hit and run. Nothing they say can stand the light of day for long.

    Sorry about posting the same joke twice, forgot I used it here.

    I will agree with the chin on one thing, I think the war is lost. Their kind has dumbed the public down enough, and made them dependent enough, that they cannot imagine life without the government holding their hands. The fear has worked.

    My goal from this point forward is to find a party/group that supports states seceding from the union. Once we reached a point where the majority take and the minority paying in, we were no longer savable. Our enemies have defeated us from within. It is time to take those who believe in the founding principles and start anew.

  393. I’m with Tex. I want no obstruction and no compromise. Give the people who are the same people who elected a man feigning insanity in the Mayo Clinic in the midst of corruption charges exactly what they want.

    You bitches won. It’s all yours. Let’s see liberalism in all it’s glory, baby. I literally want Newt or No Newt running our country, unfettered by conservatism.

    I want Rutherford’s economic policy. I want Obama’s vision. I want to see it all in its glory and I want it pure.

    Catch! It’s the keys to the car. Lets go. Show us what you can do.

    In four years, I want no misunderstandings of who was in charge.

    Is a lowered unemployment rate even a goal? A part of me suspects high unemployment is actually a good thing for liberals. Builds the base of dependant zombies.

    Newt’s Democratic Underground questioned why we should even care about the debt when we have the power to make money. Is the debt even a concern?

    I swear to God, outside of expanding the base and winning elections……I don’t even know your goals, not alone plan.

    But fuck it. The nation is yours.

  394. James, by definition Obama is not a lame duck. A lame duck is someone who has been voted out of office and is serving without any leverage until his successor is sworn in.

  395. Graychin is Fat Granny with a gut, small penis with squirrel sized nuts. He’s not worth two dead flies. No apologies from me for making it nasty. I disdain the SOB and so did half the T-World board before they booted us both. Graychin is the entire package of rectum waste.

    ———

    Pfesser, clear something up for me. And I’m serious about this, because I’d like to figure you out. Get a handle on whats driving this anger – because I read it elsewhere too.

    I get the Bible spiel. You hate what you perceive as phonies and loons, sharing fairy tales. Got the abortion thing too – matter of opinion and admittedly legal. Within your right.

    But Doc, you’re talking about a political party here siding with people so deluded that they’re electing schizos that reside in the Mayo Clinic, convicted criminals, and avowed Communists to the house. I’ll bet 80% of the black caucus is under investigation for theft, tax evasion, embezzlement. You yourself noted their blatant racism. Their leaders Reid and Pelosi have gorged at the fed trough and made themselves multimillionaires. This party is so immoral, they’re ignoring four dead Americans in a cover up in Benghazi. So without decency they excused a serial philanderer and perjurer to destroy a 22 year old intern, and damn near elected a scumbag to candidate for the Presidency who left a woman to drown.

    Surely, an professional man like you has to admit the transparent duplicity and double standard in behavior? Elizabeth Warren is a bald-faced liar, who used the lies to advance her career and make her millions. She gets elected. Two old goons speak clumsily about abortion and rape and are politically executed.

    Is there any sin of this party you won’t excuse that would exceed your perception the Christian Right are hypocrites and liars?

  396. Pfessor has a very high opinion of himself. He’s a very important man. Part of what makes him tick is his love of hedonism.

    Now, most people don’t give a flying fuck about what’s in Pfessor’s bag. But that’s not good enough for him. He needs to believe that people are so consumed with him that a clandestine conspiracy operates with the sole intent of stopping him from writing naughty stories and hosting dinner parties for homosexuals packed with giggling innuendo.

    He’s a smart man. Smarter then the rabbit. But twisted.

    He knows exactly how dangerous the debt bomb is. But look at him today. Highfiving Greychin….a man who thinks worrying about our grandchildren is nothing more then paranoia. The debt is hype.

    Why?

    Because Pfessor is so “edgy”, God fearing traditionalists are out to stop him. So, time and time again, whether in the voting booth or right here on this blog, Pfessor is in league with those looting the country. He’s just so avent-grade maaaaaan.

  397. James, you’re a gentleman and sometimes scholar. You could provide two sentences or a tome, and the Newton still would be too ignorant to understand basic context, much less the theme or the point.

    I can’t count the times the imbecile thinking she has me nailed has hit me up with the “can you read”, “grab a newspaper”, “go to school”, or some other cute flippancy, then I put her saggy breasts under the tires and back over them, as I pass smacking her idiocy across her apple cheeked face while backing up. Then magically, it’s as if the conversation never took place and all is forgotten.

    Two days later, Newt waddles in, makes some asinine accusation with dregs link as proof, I put my foot up between her ginormous butt cheeks, fling her lack of knowledge back in her tire tube lips and Mr. Ed teeth, and we rinse and repeat. Newton is like the old bouncy clowns that bounce back for another punch.

    You got patience, my old friend. Real patience.

  398. Yellowdog’s comments are Newt quality. It kind of gave away the false academic claims. Hell, maybe they are the same person.

    First Newt was Sensico. Now she’s Graychin. The fun just never ends. 😆

  399. I have more of this thread yet to read but I’ve got to get some sleep. … I’m a zombie.

    However, the “I told you so” award goes to Pfesser. There are many reasons Obama won and I will write a post in the next couple of days on that and other things. But one big reason is that instead of focusing on our number 1 problem — the economy — Republicans either voluntarily or by accident got themselves embroiled in social issue debates and in the process alienated Hispanics and young college educated women.

    PF warned you guys that this would happen and of course he was right.

    That’s all I’ll say for now.

  400. I would make one correction to #544 Rutherford, not just “young college educated women,” all women. And also not just single women and as my husband says, the men who love them.

  401. graychin –
    I don’t know your politics and don’t really care. As soon as one claims a label – liberal, conservative, libertarian – then he gets pigeonholed and the stage is set for everybody to pile on – the substance of what he says doesn’t matter. I DO appreciate a little company, though; your opinions seem to parallel my own for the most part. (FWIW, I think the Left is following the wrong path and the Democrats have lost their minds, but the Republicans infuriate me more, because that used to be my party.)

    I share your frustrations with posting at Rutherford’s, because any opinion that does not toe the ReBiblican party line, instead of being discussed frankly and thoughtfully, is met immediately with ad hominem – which is a shame, because there are some very bright people posting here. Tex, in particular, doesn’t seem to KNOW how to debate – any good arguments or logical points he might have are inapparent – buried in an avalanche of name-calling and personal attacks. That, too, is a shame; I am convinced that in another venue he and I could be good friends.

    I do hope you stick around a while; frankly I’m so depressed with the state of my Nation that I am beginning to think I need a total change of scenery myself. I need to be using this time promoting my own businesses, not wasting it by debating in a hopeless circle-jerk. Cheers.

  402. R – re: Hee Haw. Roy Clark grew up and now lives in Meherrin, VA. He gives a charity concert every year in a nearby town; I’ve seen him twice. (He’s the reason I stopped studying guitar in high school. I watched him on Hee Haw, playing four separate instruments – all better than I could play one. I finally decided that I just didn’t have it.)

    Clark has severe hip arthritis, necessitating, I believe, hip replacement. The pain was really eating him up during his last concert. He, of course, turned it to comedy. “My doctor gave me this medicine (probably Oxycontin) and those pills are filled with little BB’s. Every so often one of them BB’s busts, and WOW!” Every so often, he would turn to the audience and grin, “There went one of them BB’s!.” He was definitely a little high from the pain meds, but still put on a gangbuster show. We all gave him a standing ovation. He is some kind of guy.

  403. R – this article in The Atlantic was originally published on Election Day. It has received a storm of mail since. I was particularly interested in the “Atlas will shrug” letter from the first guy.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/what-if-the-gop-loses-atlas-shrugged-vs-the-fire-next-time/264556/

    Think it’s a joke? Well, maybe so, but I just talked to M. D., a local contractor. When I spoke to him last year he had just laid off about half his workforce, citing the poor economy and tremendous frustration with the regulatory and tax environment. He and I spoke last week and I asked him about his plans. He told me that he had informed his remaining six employees that if Obama was elected, he would close the business, sell his equipment and use the proceeds for his income from here out.

    I spoke to him yesterday. He did just that; his business is no more and he offered me a nice dozer for a song.

    He is forty. Sorry, tax-and-spenders, that is one place where Obama can’t look for his “revenue.” Moi aussi. My income this year will be slightly less than half of last year. Next year it will be about 1/4. Those that make this economy run are, like Rand’s Atlas, shrugging the load in droves. Enjoy the poverty.

  404. Thanks Tex. Its how my parents raised us and how we raised our children.We are also relentless. I always liked your passion, and the more of yourself you reveal, the more I like you.

  405. Rutherford, I got into trouble in basic training because I refused to back down. I called it the “cafeteria” when the acceptable term was “chow hall”.

    I also know the acceptable definition of lame duck. Like chow hall, it is wrong. This is Obama’s last term. He has no real political constraints, and he can do anything he wants. He can continue to change our country into a place alien to what we have known, or he may work with the opposition to create an historical legacy for himself.

    The only opinion which matters to me is mine, Obama is a lame duck.

  406. Newt,

    Back in September defense contractors planned to announce layoffs as required by law. Obama offered enough blandishments to convince the companies to announce the job cuts after election day.

    Boeing has now announced that they will reduce their work force to below 2012 levels. They will close facilities in California, and they will consolidate others. I knew this in September, and I think I mentioned it off handedly.

    Obamacare helped lower the unemployment rate. Companies like Red Lobster and McDonalds have been reducing work hours to escape forced compliance with new insurance requirements. They have been hiring more part time workers to compensate for the lower working hours

    You called me naive. Thus, your news sources probably told you a long time ago. Why didn’t you mention it? Or did the pot just call the kettle black?

  407. Pfessor, I’ve heard stories about Going Galt too. Food vendors’ hiring more temps as I mentioned is one step away from it. People are not robots. They will find a way to cope.

    Meanwhile, a poster to a news blog wrote that a New York City FEMA office is closed this morning due to the snow storm.

    If Obama does as I think he will, I don’t care if some of the poor saps who voted for more of the same lose their jobs or become part timers. I don’t care if they suffer from the disaster as they wait for the government to help them. It will be though enough to worry about my own region of the country.

  408. But one big reason is that instead of focusing on our number 1 problem — the economy — Republicans either voluntarily or by accident got themselves embroiled in social issue debates and in the process alienated Hispanics and young college educated women.

    That’s a lie or an indicator of just how poorly you perceptions really are, Rutherford. Republicans were dragged into the discussion and for a reason. It’s the only way you Dimocrats could win.

    Sandra Fluke is the one that got this nation embroiled in social issues, and Obama and his thug henchmen like Axelrod were very clever. They even advertised across this country that old line that still works – take away your rights to an abortion, which apparently now after 40 years is considered virtuous by these newer generations.

    Younger generations don’t understand the First Amendment. I’ll bet well over 3/4 couldn’t tell you what it even says. Our public schools are grounds for indoctrination of Marxist lies and innuendo. While that may provide you elections in the future, it also will provide mass chaos and banana republics for your children and grandchildren.

    Hispanics have been sold a bill of goods. And I told people that idiots like Tom Tancredo caused incalculable damage with his stupidity. You cannot demonize groups, then expect them to listen to you.

    Dims all over this nation ran from the economy and they ran from entitlements going broke. They ran from foreign policy, and they ran from Libya. There is no economic plan and it will not be fixed, because gov’t can’t fix the economy – it can however starve it. The only thing Obama is managing is massive spending. And while you may think that is acceptable, you’re guaranteeing a Depression. It is unavoidable.

    If Obama was as popular as many of you think, Obama would campaigned all over this country for Dimocrats. To the best of my knowledge, he campaigned for no one but himself. I don’t remember a sitting President ever doing that.

    If you think this was a mandate Rutherford, you may be right in one way. This election proved that America is beyond the tipping point, where the producers are outnumbered by the takers. It is a nation where morals are secondary, honesty a rarity, and racial divide a strategy. Ignorant men like Graychin proved it again yesterday. And I find this the delicious part – his bragging of a changing country? It will be his own that suffer the consequences most. His isn’t tolerance – it’s delusion where assimilation isn’t expected. Just a vote. His won’t be spared the consequences. There will be no reconciliation and we are now on the path to separation. So be it.

    Hopefully, the Republicans will finally take my good advice, stop with the idiocy of words, a battle they cannot win with a corrupted media, and step out of the way. Let the Dims manage the economy and drive it into the dust. Say nothing when it happens, do nothing when it happens. Force the populace to beg for help for a time, holding up your hands and politely saying, “It is too late.”

    I believe the only thing that will save this country ironically is a Depression. These younger generations have never felt pain, never been held accountable, believe the good life a birthright. Liberals deny this, but one walk through any mall or hospital will prove we a degenerate nation – and not just in blue states. If mob rule starts to reign, then I am confident most of us are prepared to deal with it harshly.

    You can live in denial, Rutherford. But the one thing I am sure about is that bad times are coming. Possibly in ways you can’t imagine. I would suggest to those of us who don’t believe in Obama, recognize him for what he really is, need to learn to shut up and quietly protect our own. First on that list should be me. I apologize for the over the top criticism. That doesn’t accomplish a damn thing either.

    Stop with the charity, stop with the Good Samaritan act, and take care of only are own and no more. And we should stop the battle of words. Act like the Mennonites and Quakers do – separate ourselves, turn off the TVs, tune out the entertainment, vacation only in those places that deserve our support.

    We have the power to force the issue. The question remains, do we have the will? We should remember there are places we are despised for our thoughts. We should remember that too. We are no longer the United States. We are fractured nation, that will not heal. And we should act accordingly.

    For the first time in my life, I am actively rooting against my own nation. I want it to fail and fail spectacularly. I want the rest of the world to feel it – understanding what it is like to stand on their own. I want a USSR, circa 1989. I want it to be fractured and I want it to be split, if necessary. Then, people will be forced to make a hard choice.

    The only way short of divine intervention to return us to what the Founders wanted – self reliance, liberty and freedom. Not lackeys dependent upon a handout and a bowl of false promises which can’t possibly be kept.

  409. Rabbit, my initial thoughts were exactly like yours. Let them go at 100% Liberalism and see what happens. Problem is I don’t think I can survive it. I don’t have enough saved up to last 4 years + the 10 years it will take to recover if recovery is even possible.

    A siding manufacturer 40 min south of me just announced Jan 1. all employees in manufacturing will be cut back to 30 hours a week with no opportunity for over time. They are going to a 4 shift rotation and everyone will be part time. This is the new norm and I don’t like it.

    I still have 24 hours to go but as of now I am still in favor of closing my business and moving south out of Michigan. I have had the privileged of getting to have lunch once a month with a retired gentleman who was the #3 guy at Oppenheimer. It is his opinion that my state will continue to suffer under Obama and that as a state we will not recover until things have devalued so much that investors will flock in and buy everything up. As much as I will miss my kids, I don’t want to be here to see what that looks like.

  410. “Stop with the charity, stop with the Good Samaritan act, and take care of only are own and no more. And we should stop the battle of words. Act like the Mennonites and Quakers do – separate ourselves, turn off the TVs, tune out the entertainment, vacation only in those places that deserve our support.”

    This is exactly what we are doing. I went from 292 friends on FB to 53. I am engaging those I do business with and casually discovering who they supported, and divorcing myself with anyone that is Liberal. Fortunately most business owners I talk with are Republican so that aspect of it has been every easy from a business perspective.

    The harder part will be family. Extended family will be a little difficult to cut lose, but we will do so through just being unavailable and not returning calls. Closer family I will still continue to educate. They will ether conform or leave out of being sick of hearing me talking about it, either way my goal will be achieved.

    From there I am looking for a a source that shows county by county which voted for Red and looking for a massive majority. If I can find a 90% or better we intend on moving to that area and get to know these people.

    I think with elections 2 years off, and politicians being like they are, I suspect Republicans may chose to conform to this new country we are forming into rather than fight for what our founding fathers gave us. That said I think the time as come for this nation to split.

    I found this in wiki I thought was interesting.

    “After Perry’s comments received considerable attention and news coverage, Rasmussen Reports issued a poll and found that about 1 in 3 of those surveyed believed that Texas has the right to secede from the United States, although only 18% would support secession and 75% would oppose secession.[14] In another poll, 60% of Texans surveyed opposed becoming an independent nation. However, 48% of Texas Republicans surveyed supported it.”

    This gives me hope. If we can come together, maybe through the Tea Party, I think we can get a state like Texas to secede. Once that happens, I have a strong feeling many more states would follow very rapidly.

  411. Tex, you’re damn right. They own it now. May God have mercy on their souls.

    PF, the social issues were the invention of the left. The fact that they consumed you, at least in abortion and religious freedoms, hardly makes it the focus of the Romney or GOP campaigns. It gets to media complicity in steering the commentary away from the economy to help out the Obama — who has indeed inherited a mess (h/t Noah) You and G-chin are in many ways cut form the same cloth 9Rabbit got you two summed up) and would probably make good friends. . . for about 1 day before you grew to despise each other.

  412. LOL I just finished reading through the last of Graychin’s comments (I think). Gray, thanks for stopping by and for the entertainment. I’ve never had as much spit and vinegar as some of my liberal compadres on the net and it’s always a pleasure to get a visit from them.

    See ya here in four years when we elect Hillary Clinton. 😉

  413. CBS, i think had a piece of the interview with Obama which showed Romney was correct to accuse the president of not calling the specific attack definitely the work of terrorists. Oddly, they kept the piece quiet until just before the election

    James what interview did you watch? The interview in which Steve Kroft of CBS talks to Obama was on September 12 and Obama said in the video he suspected some of the attackers were deliberately targeting Americans. That’s a terrorist attack.

    I did some more reading on Benghazi thanks to some articles out of Politico. James, do you know the number one reason for all the vagueness surrounding this? It’s due to the most vague, subterfuging (that should be a word if it isn’t), obfuscating organization in America being up to its eyeballs in Libya — THE CIA. Whenever the CIA is involved in a country, you’re not going to get consistent straight answers to questions. For example, some of the folks identified as “consulate security” were CIA operatives. I don’t have the time to drop links right now but Google “Benghazi Politico” and do some reading and you should find the stuff I’m talking about.

    We don’t know everything about Benghazi for a reason … a very logical reason .. we had secret sh*t going on in the country that could be compromised by immediate full disclosure. Not the inane myth that Obama sat in the situation room and watched live video of Stevens being sodomized and killed.

  414. Now, we’ll see if Magilla dares show his mug.

    In my one moment of weakness Election night, I could not resist sending a tweet to Gorilla. Haven’t heard a response. Hope he didn’t take the poison pill. You know these hardass military folks can take drastic measures!

  415. Regarding 533, Muffy I don’t think it is a coincidence that we’ve seen little from Gorilla since Cairo and Benghazi erupted. I know nothing, I’m just logically conjecturing.

  416. Rabbit … Jackson is feigning insanity? That’s a bit much. A much saner conclusion is that the dude was so upset by being caught in a corruption scandal that he tried to off himself. I have no reason to believe Jackson innocent but I think his hospitalization has a real personal crisis behind it.

  417. I think I spelled aven garde wrong.

    LOL not only did you spell it wrong … you spelled it differently in your next comment and spelled it wrong again!

    But I digress. Rabbit (and Tex) you’re missing the forest for the trees. PF hates libs as much as you guys do. But unlike you guys, PF is a practical man. He knows you can’t win an election if you don’t expand your voter base. That ain’t rocket science. More about that in my next post which will probably come out tomorrow cos today is a bit busy.

  418. “[Y]ou can’t win an election if you don’t expand your voter base.”

    Unfortunately, this is true. The method of doing so doesn’t come from any critiques the water carriers might have.

  419. A practical man? He voted for Obama and then beside himself with anger over deficit spending only to piss his vote away the next time. Real practical. Dude was supporting Romney all the way up to the Dem convention. Don’t act like you weren’t smirking when you saw your party propaganda work on Dr. Rube.

    I could launch ad hominems at Dr. Smartypants all day long. I think he is the worst kind of fool. A smart one with no excuses.

  420. Speaking with my Libbie friends, I really think that we (Tex, Rabbit, James, Gorilla etc.) underestimate the antipathy the left has for the religious right. I think they are in fact driven by it to a much greater degree than can be rationally explained. A true threat to urban liberals in particular.

  421. R @ 493: “BTW, there actually was a story yesterday of a mother who took her young kid to the polls with her. When her daughter saw that she voted for Romney, she screamed “NOT HIM!!!” and made such a fuss that the woman had to get another ballot and vote for Obama. LOL”

    There is something wrong with that story. In VA and WV at least, ballots are 100% secret. Nobody is allowed in the voting booth with the voter. No matter who it is. Are you sure about that tale?

  422. R opined: “But I digress. Rabbit (and Tex) you’re missing the forest for the trees. PF hates libs as much as you guys do.”

    There is where you are 100 percent wrong, my friend. I hate neither liberals nor conservatives; it’s their behavior that drives me ’round the bend. I hate liberal FISCAL policies because they are destroying my country; their social policies are just fine. I despise the CURRENT ReBiblican penchant for telling everybody how to live, and their utter fascination with regulating lady parts. (By the way, they used to not be like that. Maybe if they got laid more…) Their fiscal policies – if they ever followed them – are just hunky-dory.

    About as close as I come to hating anybody is my utter frustration with the extremists on both sides of the aisle. They are so damned sure that they are 100% right, the other side wrong and there is no discussion about it. As long as they keep poisoning the well, we will never get on track to straightening this mess out. Know anybody like that?

  423. ” I despise the CURRENT ReBiblican penchant for telling everybody how to live, and their utter fascination with regulating lady parts” -pfessor

    So you vote for the other guy with the fascination for “regulating lady parts” Genius.

    By wife gave brith to sons, they are made up of no lady parts. In fact, almost half of their DNA isn’t her’s either. So, while our opinions differ, your way off on the nature of the parts, doctor.

    Do you think I’m from the religious right? Is Tigre?

    I probably indulge in earthly pleasures more then anyone on this board. Why is it I feel no threat from the tea totlers and you do?

    What is your deal with obsessing about Christains? When I rambled, they were usually sleeping when I was up and vice versa.

    Nobody gives a shit.

  424. “So you vote for the other guy with the fascination for “regulating lady parts” Genius.”

    You do not know whom I voted for. Nor will you.

    “By wife gave brith to sons, they are made up of no lady parts. In fact, almost half of their DNA isn’t her’s either. So, while our opinions differ, your way off on the nature of the parts, doctor.”

    I don’t get that. Can you ‘splain it?

  425. Oh ok…..shall I find the post of yours where you told us you are voting Ron Paul? Because you did.

    But, if that is how you want to play it on a political blog where we bull shit about who we vote for and why….I apologize. I surely didn’t mean to offend you…..

  426. Yeah….I don’t see my pro life stance revolving around some inane simplification strictly involving lady parts. If I didn’t understand you….by all means…explain.

  427. Yes, Rutheford, I saw the omitted 60 Minutes portion of the longer interview with President Obama. In that segment, Steve Croft asked Obama why up till then, he had not called it a terrorist attack. Obama had not described it as a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden speech.ts of terror genercally related to 9/11. Candy Crowly later said that Romney was basically right. He merely used the wrong phrase.

    I’ll Google the link when I have time. I already know the CIA was involved and that there Ambasador Stevens might have been helping ship weapons to Syria.

    I’m not sure which is more disturbing, that Obama was watching the attact or he was not.

  428. We are treated to a postmortem on what is wrong with us by the guy that wrote #561. Insufferable. Maybe the video cost Romney the election too.

    I can think of one and only one reason to be grateful for the outcome of the election for the country. Those fuckers in #557 are not out there rioting.

    We also know of at least one indisputable reason that a diminished failure of a leader got re-elected – you didn’t vote him out. You should have. Instead you slandered a decent man who was willing to do something about this malady.

    If you did try and vote him out of office, then good for you. You made the right decision. If Rutherford or Doc wants to blame me or Billy Graham, have at it. I submit that you don’t know your subject.

    The time for reflection is coming perhaps. But not today.

    *shrug*

  429. Muffy,

    Dennis Miller is a smart guy. Didn’t realize how smart until two or three years ago. I would pretty much agree with everything he said.

    Except I think the country needs to collapse and hit rock bottom. I want that to happen under Barack Obama. I don’t care what others think here.

    This is just for you.

    God knows the future. We don’t. Perhaps at first what seems great disappointment and disbelief is an unanswered prayer. I hate it for Mitt Romney because I know damn well he is not the demon he was characterized to be. Pfesser is wrong if he thinks Romney would have made “social issues” the emphasis.

    The problem wasn’t the campaign. The problem wasn’t the candidate. The problem wasn’t the V.P. This was the best partnership that the Republicans have positioned in 28 years.

    The problem is America.

    We have a President that has failed the economy in every capacity, found in opinion to have a better grasp of how to manage the economy than a candidate whose whole life story is predicated by financial success and turnarounds.

    If this country w