True Democracy, Atheist Christmas and Other Thoughts

True Democracy

Last night at the Chicago Hilton four folks whom you’ve probably never heard of had a Presidential debate.  It could have been six but of course Mitt Romney and Barack Obama declined to participate. This left us with Jill Stein of the Green Party, Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party, Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party and the better known Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party. The affair was moderated by the greatly respected/greatly mocked Larry King formerly of CNN. When Larry kicked off the proceedings with the first question, forgetting to let the candidates make their two-minute opening statements, you had to wonder if you were watching a Saturday Night Live sketch. If you put aside the poor production quality and the helter skelter debate rules enforcement, you were left with an empty feeling in your gut. Isn’t this exactly what our founders would have wanted? Wouldn’t they have wanted diversity of opinion and voters having a real choice? Would they have signed up for a duopoly in which each side is beholden to big money and neither side offers solutions more weighty than a feather?

The three “official” presidential debates never touched the war on drugs. They never said a peep about getting out of Afghanistan NOW. There were no radical proposals like free higher education, eliminating the Internal Revenue Service, or balancing the budget in 2013, not five or ten years from now. All these topics were discussed last night in Chicago. These candidates talked about change in terms far more specific than anything offered by Barack Obama in 2008, or certainly in 2012.

In the end I was filled with sadness as “The Impossible Dream” played in my head and I watched these four Don Quixote’s dare to believe they could be President.

Atheist Christmas

Christians have their Easter and Christmas. Jews have their Passover and Hanukkah. So I wondered yesterday what holiday does an atheist celebrate? What would qualify as a good atheist holiday? It should be a day in which myths were exploded and science reaffirmed, don’t you think? Such was the case on October 22, 1844 a day to be known as The Great Disappointment. In 1844, Samuel Snow, a follower of William Miller in a sect called Millerism, predicted the second coming of Christ on October 22. When the day began and ended like any other day with not a trace of Christ to be found, many Millerites were disillusioned. I believe Atheists on the other hand should celebrate this day as the day when maybe a handful of people saw organized religion for the bunk that it is. Of course, many Millerites came up with excuses for why Christ did not reappear. Some simply constructed some new fantasy.

The survival of organized religion depends entirely on the non-specificity of its prophecy. Once prophecy becomes specific, the supernatural (to be charitable) beliefs are held to a factual standard and they invariably fail. Such was the case last year when radio minister Harold Camping predicted the end of the world to occur on May 21 (at 6pm no less). Even the most religious among us hedged their bets and scoffed at the man. Why, I don’t know. If you are open enough to believe that Christ rose from the dead and will one day return, then why doubt Mr. Camping? To the atheist it is all entirely preposterous. To the religious, it only becomes preposterous when it gets too specific — when it enters the realm of scientific test where it can be  debunked. As long as it’s vague, it can’t be held to scientific scrutiny. The opiate of the masses only works so long as its ingredients aren’t subjected to real analysis.

So, I say atheists should claim The Great Disappointment as their annual holiday when reality triumphed over mythology.

God’s Will and the GOP

Indiana US Senate candidate Richard Mourdock has himself in hot water over the following quote:

I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.

Only God knows if Richard felt He intended the birth to happen or the rape to happen but honestly I don’t know why people have their undies in a knot over this. The standard religious retort to any tragedy is “it’s God’s will”. If you ask your pastor why your daughter or wife got raped, he’s likely to say something along the lines of “we cannot always understand the mind of God” or “God works in mysterious ways”. Now, Mourdock expresses a pretty commonly held belief by Christians and everybody is in an uproar. I think folks ought to get off Mourdock’s back and check themselves. Either you believe that all life is precious and that God’s benevolent hand is in all things or you don’t. Mourdock may be a fool but at least he is no hypocrite.

The Tragedy of Newsweek

Last week, Editor-in-Chief of Newsweek, Tina Brown announced that no more printed copies of Newsweek would go out after December 31 of this year. On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” she put on a disgusting display of Mitt Romney style bottom-line thinking as she confessed that folks would lose their jobs but that printing the magazine was no longer cost-effective. Of course she neglected to say that Time magazine (their chief rival) will still be publishing good old-fashioned print versions. So basically the truth is that Time has finally kicked Newsweek’s ass and Tina didn’t have the honesty to admit it.

But Tina’s money-is-all-that-matters approach was not the real tragedy of the announcement. The real tragedy is the number of disenfranchised people who will never have access to the digital Newsweek. We are truly approaching an age where information is being rationed out to the better-to-do. The poor can go pound salt. The panel on “Morning Joe” thought themselves profound as they observed everyone at the airports they frequent using i-Pads or other tablets. Hey, you arrogant out of touch butt holes, the poor don’t go to airports. The poor go to the corner store and buy a friggin’ magazine or newspaper. These same folks, mostly liberal, who belly ache about wealth being concentrated at the top 1% don’t give a second’s thought to information access being concentrated at the top also.

In short, the end of the print magazine Newsweek, is just one more step in keeping the poor down-trodden and ignorant. Tina Brown should be ashamed of herself.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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627 thoughts on “True Democracy, Atheist Christmas and Other Thoughts

  1. I agree with many of your comments, but what is Tina Brown to do if Newsweek makes less money than the bills? The publiication must pay for competitive salaries, health insurance, supplies, and product development. For good or evil, the bottom line rules.

    I agree poverty is pernicious, and many people project their living standards onto poor people, but Tina Brown cannot print her own money.

  2. Continued access to print copy of a shitty publication keeps the poor downtrodden and ignorant? What’s the subscription rate for those without access to the Internet? How about the National Review?

  3. I can always tell when Rutherford is pissed, dour and upset at the world.

    You can count on your hand the number of days that will pass before some dismissive insult is made against “organized” religion – especially when I’ve piled on too much. Heads up, “R”. Christianity is not considered a “religion” amongst Christians so your insult would generally be considered meaningless to Christians if that was your target. You’ll have to do better than that if you wish to insult folks like me.

    ————

    I know you believe nothing, but a review of recent history a little over two years this month: you and Jim Dougan (Hippie Professer) were having a great laugh on this very blog one Friday evening laughing which one of you was more the skeptic. Har har har! Go back and look at your records of October 7th and 8th, 2010, if you don’t believe me. Can’t remember your name from one day to the next, but I always remember numbers and dates. Both a gift and a curse.

    Sunday, Oct. 10, 2010, Hippie Professor was dead. Eternity…gone, forever.

    I don’t know why you are so confident and so sure you won’t find yourself in the same boat, especially concerning your health. You seem to be sick more often than not anymore, and though you’re a buzzhead and a killjoy, I don’t want to come on here and find your wife leaving a message you passed in the night…I would feel terribly guilty as I did with Jim if something were to happen to you and I hadn’t said that. Consider that one from a friend.

    Just a thought.

    As to the rest, Time will soon join Newsweak. Have you read a Time magazine lately? It’s basically advertisements and little else. As long as people have access to the internet, and Time magazine so predominately lib basically ruling out potentially 80% of a possible market audience, expect the Newsweak trend to continue.

    Good riddance.

  4. By the way, “R”. I left a message on the previous thread to Raji and had not read this new post.

    That actually was done before I had seen this, which reinforced what I said to Raji. Didn’t want you to think I was plagiarizing your post.

    Ironic the timing.

  5. I saw the debate and felt much the same way, Rutherford. Gary Johnson really laid it flat out and much of what Jill and Rocky had to say I could agree with. Virgil was probably the one i disagreed with the most. It was more real and at the same time also surreal for reasons you describe. These folks are not in the limelight., but definitely lively and prepared.

    If you need a holiday, take any of the ones and celebrate it anyway you want. There really are no such things as holidays in real Christianity. Everyday is supposed to be holy. One is not more important than another.

    The GOP is not the only party of religious fanatics. The dems have their own sacred cows they sacrifice our liberty to.

    Newsweek didn’t rate a government bailout. Not enough jobs. Times change and businesses either adapt or die. Death is a normal part of all cycles. I agree Time will follow.

    It is all about money. For capitalists, that’s our one true god.

  6. Continued access to print copy of a shitty publication keeps the poor downtrodden and ignorant? What’s the subscription rate for those without access to the Internet? How about the National Review?

    Did you typo, or did you misunderstand my post? Tigre, I said that discontinued access to print copy keeps the poor ignorant because they are less likely to have access to a computer.

    Regarding the National Review, if you’re saying there are loads of other printed publications that the poor can access, you’re right. I’m just concerned that Newsweek is the beginning of a dangerous trend.

  7. Tex, while I appreciate the sentiment behind comment #4, wouldn’t you lose what minuscule respect you still have for me if I became a believer simply out of fear of death? Isn’t that the ultimate surrender of integrity? Some folks have events in their life that permanently alter their attitude toward a higher being. I’m open to that. I don’t expect it to happen.

    For the life of me I don’t understand why you are not offended by the likes of Samuel Snow, Harold Camping and Joseph Smith, all false prophets. Snow and Camping were discredited because, as I wrote above, they got way too specific about near-term events. Smith has managed to maintain a following despite some really bizarre stuff, even by Christian standards.

    In any case, now that you’ve commented on the parts I expected, what are your thoughts about Mourdock and the political duopoly that ties our hands every four years?

  8. I pretty much addressed your point with Raji on the last thread, if you wish to review.

    Actually, I had not read this when I responded to her either, which pretty much parroted what you had said in the past. I do give you that for consistency on this particular point. Now about the debt…. 😉

    The Bible says wisdom starts with Fear of the Lord – fear in this case not meaning fear as you and I understand it, but sheer awesomeness of God’s nature, which is exactly what transpired with every Old Testament character who happened to stand in His presence – they trembled, they wept, Isaiah called himself a man of unclean lips, and none could look upon God’s face.

    Rutherford, if there is a Creator and I believe there is, and I believe He goes by a host of names the most obvious I AM, and I believe He revealed himself through Christ through the lineage of Abraham, David and Nathan then….

    Think of the awesome nature of His creation. Can you really fathom this universe, from the micro to the macro? From the sub atomic to billions of universes, of which we don’t rate a speck? Can you fathom no limitation of space or time? Neither can I. And that has been my point to you unbelievers – I am totally convinced there are things beyond mortal man’s comprehension. I am sure of it.. And that is not even the most powerful, most inspriing aspect of my Creator’s nature – that’s only the physical universe, which is subordinate to the spiritual.

    I know, I know. Hocus pocus to you – weakness. A shame we can’t mind meld for one moment.

    Look, I pretty much gave up trying to convince you or Pfesser and do not wish to go further. That is not my purpose here. In fact, the only reason I mentioned it because something is becoming quite obvious to me from here.

    That comment was not meant to proselytize so much as to give you pause, as your body is trying to tell you something – as is mine. I’ve really begin to notice it this year.

    When I saw a picture of Jim, I was really taken back. That was a heart attack waiting to happen. I have felt real guilt the last couple of years baiting Jim, even in a friendly matter, taking a moment to try and square with him.

    I don’t want to come in here to find I repeated that mistake. 😐

    Understand?

  9. Non-religious holidays? Charles Darwin’s birthday (Feb 12) is often celebrated by agnostics, atheists and others who value science over superstition. Who has done more to free the human mind from the bondage of fairy tales and Hebrew mythology, and to shine the light of reason on nature, than Charles Darwin? Celebrating Darwin pushes ignorance farther and farther away, into the darkest corners of the demon-haunted world that still exists for too many.

    The thoughtful unchurched feel no schadenfreude when religious loonies embarrass themselves to their own detriment – only pity for their profound ignorance. The Great Disappointment only fills me with… disappointment. Nothing to celebrate there…

    February 12, 1809 was a very good day. That day gave us both Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln.

  10. Good observation on Mourdock, Mr. Lawson. Why should he apologize? All he did was express his beliefs honestly. I wish more politicians would be that honest with us.

    If anyone could get Paul Ryan to be honest, he would admit that he agrees with Mourdock. So would Rick Santorum. Who knows what Mitt Romney believes today, or what he will believe tomorrow?

    If someone really believes that a human being worthy of life, liberty and property rights comes into being at conception, how could they consider ANY abortion to be allowable? Under ANY circumstances? All these politicians who call for exceptions to an absolute ban on abortion are hypocrites. What does incest have to do with anything?

    So when Willie Horton rapes your wife or daughter and gets her pregnant, God surely wants her to serve as an incubator for his baby for the next 39 weeks. Don’t even THINK about an abortion for her.

  11. Christians don’t consider Christianity to be a religion?

    Interesting rhetorical technique.

    What the frack is it then?

  12. Follow up.

    R did it occur to you that rather than going out of business access at least exists online? For the initiated, libraries have computers (and print too) for most publications. If one were to subscribe, I think it’s safe to assume they qualify as “initiated.”

    I am confused by your comments.

  13. Some rural people don’t have much access to libraries, but one wonders how many spend money on newsprint purchased in stores. You still haven’t told us how Newsweek can find the money to publish if sales don’t support the business.

    Time, Newsweek, and other publicans should offer a balanced product to encourage more readers to buy. As it is they slant much of their content to cater to the left. Hence others mistrust the sources and find their news elsewhere.

    They are following Janane Garafalo’s example, though she is an extreme case. She veered so far to the left that she alienated half of her fans, and she became irrelevant. Time and other magazines and newspapers must compete with electronic media, and they cannot afford to alienate any of their customers.

    Profits and bottom lines rule us all. Step out of line and the banker, he going to take you away. Credit to For What its Worth.

  14. “CBS Busts Obama and itself. Unaltered 60 Minutes clip proves White House lied about Bengazi.”Breitbart TV. NPR’s Maria Liason said CBS has much to answer for.

    Obama said in the interview that terrorists were responsible for the attack and later told us it was a video. CBS kept that part of the interview hidden for a month.

    This illustrates the problem with Newsweek and other parts of the media. Newspapers losing readers as are network news shows. They are selling a defective product. Acecer used to sell desk top computers which were often junk. They lost money and changed course.Fox is regarded as more impartial and they attract more viewers.

    Newsweek brought many of its problems onto itself, and it now copes as best it can.

  15. James, any idea how many paid subscriptions to Newsweek got to isolated rural areas where computer access does not exist? It sure doesn’t in urban areas. I am not trying to quibble with the fact that there are some for whom print is the source of news and information and access online might not be a reasonable substitute. But Rutherford inexplicably calls its demise another dagger in the backs of the downtrodden.

    We’re not talking denial of access to news generally, but another biased publication among thousands. I find it conceptually to his illogical take on the relationship between employer/employee.

  16. El Tigre, I was being nice to Rutherford by accepting his premise. Part of our county has no cell phone service, and much the county still has dial up computer connections. It would be difficult for some poor people to travel to a library.

    Cherry County, Nebraska, where I frequent, is larger than Connecticut, Delaware, or Rhode Island with a population of 6,148 as of 2000. Some high school students board in town because their homes are too isolated for normal travel to high school. Over twelve percent of the population is below the poverty line. I guess a percentage of that number would be adversely affected if we lost print journalism. Maybe five or six per cent of our county of 14,000 people would suffer a loss.

    Components of the news media sell credibility and the news is secondary. Newsweek, in my opinion has tainted credibility and like Janeane Garafalo created part of its own problem in a time of technological evolution.

  17. President Obama dropped by “The Tonight Show” to chat up Jay Leno on Wednesday as part of his two-day “campaign extravaganza.”

    Leno asked the president a viewer’s question about what subjects he struggles with when he helps his daughters with homework. ”Well, the math stuff I was fine with up until about seventh grade,” explained Obama. “But Malia is now a freshman in high school and — I’m pretty lost.”

    Okay Rutherford. Now I get why you are so really locked in with this sham man. You guys share more in common than I originally realized. 😉

  18. Rutherford I feel your pain regards publications and the potential narrowing of the information availability thing.
    Print editions are screwed pretty much no matter what they do. I would think there could be a market for someone down the road to bring back print material that has the good mix of ad support and journalistic quality.
    I dare say though R that one of the biggest demons people who are concerned about digital divides and print elimination is that it seems the majority of folks are o.k. with being ignorant.
    On the flip side the ability to create markets and provide quality is really starting to soar. I watched the Apple launch and was excited by the potential that the IPad and IPad mini represents along with iBook Author. Many schools in my area are embracing the iPad. My son has a friend that goes to a Catholic high school and they no longer issue books. The textbooks are all on the i Pad.

  19. So help me out with this. September 11, 2001. Radical Muslims attack America. President Bush is advised while reading to school children. He spends 4 additional minutes with the children and walks out calmly so as to not alarm the children. Dimocrats criticize Bush for this “inaction” and later claim 9/11 was Bush’s fault.

    September 11, 2012. Radical Muslims attack America. Obama skips 50% of his daily intelligence briefings and failed to take action even after receiving notice of the attacks 48 hours in advance. The next day he skips another daily intelligence briefing and attends a party in Las Vegas. Three days later while the flag draped coffins of murdered Americans arrive home, Obama’s officials announce that he’ll attend ANOTHER party with Beyonce. More US Embassies come under attack while Obama parties. Democrats praise Obama for being cool enough to party with Beyonce.

    Where is the moral outrage? If 4 minutes of inaction is inexcusable and unforgivable, how can Dims tolerate us watching our people for 7 hours fighting for our lives while Obama does nothing? How can they tolerate Obama and his staff going on national TV and lie to us when they knew the truth? Where is the moral outrage?

  20. I just pulled a new visitor out of moderation so our comment numbers have shifted a bit.

    Welcome Cape Cod Calvin! On your comments:

    1. Interestingly as I wrote about the Great Disappointment it did occur to me that it was in poor taste to “celebrate” it. A day when utter ignorance was exposed is probably nothing to celebrate. Your suggestion of Darwin’s birthday definitely takes the high road.

    2. I’m still chuckling over the reaction to Mourdock, especially from so-called religious people, whose stock and trade is retrofitting God into every scenario, always to His advantage.

    3. I also found the notion of Christians not considering Christianity a religion to be a real head-scratcher.

    Thanks again for the contributions!

  21. Don’t vote, it only encourages them.

    Gabriela, you landed in my SPAM filter but I approved your comment if for no other reason than it gave me a chuckle. Thanks for visiting.

  22. Tex, I’d like the New York Times to be forced to sell to a conservative company. The irony.

    I’m scratching my head about Christinity’s not being a religion too.

    I know God exists because a noisey thunderstorm gave us a good lightning show about 1:30 AM and then we had snow from 11AM to 1230PM

  23. James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas, known for its hidden-camera probe of the controversial national community organizing group tied to Obama, ACORN, carried out the investigation and provided the video exclusively to WND.

    I highlighted the best part. I wonder why old James could only get WND to carry his video? Maybe because every legit news outlet knows O’Keefe for the scam artist scum-sucking punk that he is? Mmmmmm.

    Please, Tex, post sh*t from the National Enquirer. They have more credibility.

    But I WILL say this … both sides are gearing up for an election fraud fight. The left is now floating “concerns” about a voting machine manufacturer being partly financed by former Bain Capital employees who clearly are pro-Romney. Appearance of impropriety? Dunno … but it tells me 11/6 may lead to some nasty post-election fallout.

  24. ”If anyone could get Paul Ryan to be honest, he would admit that he agrees with Mourdock.”

    What are you talking about?

    ”If someone really believes that a human being worthy of life, liberty and property rights comes into being at conception, how could they consider ANY abortion to be allowable? Under ANY circumstances? All these politicians who call for exceptions to an absolute ban on abortion are hypocrites. What does incest have to do with anything?”

    Ask Joe Biden.

    I believe life begins at conception. I’m respectful (I should say tolerant) that others don’t believe that. I think they are wrong. They think I’m wrong. So we compromise and establish agreements that work for both of us, or at least settle on something we can both live with.

    Alrighty?

  25. First Tigre, someone at a Palin rally DID yell “kill him” referring to Obama so Coulter is a goddam liar.

    But the other caution I’d give you … remember how profoundly sensitive your buddy Tex is to disparaging the mentally retarded. Surely you don’t want to lend support to Ann who throws the word “retard” around so carelessly. You wouldn’t want to trigger THE WRATH OF TEX now would you? 😉

  26. The secular world calls Christianity a religion. So do many Christians. I don’t and it was meant to offend me. 😀

    My point is specifically in reference to Rutherford’s typical baseless charges of grouping religion(s) with an emphasis of personal disdain for Christianity.

    I answer all of you with a question if you think I’m wrong before I answer it in entirety, since I’m sure my answer flies in the face of Merriam Webster.

    How many times does the New Testament refer to Christianity as a religion (threskeia) in a positive manner? And for a hint, if so, what does it preface the word with?

  27. Yes Rutherford, we know.

    In Obama’s world, even videos lie. We get it! 😉

    I’m profoundly sensitive of the word “retard?” You’ll have to refresh my memory.

  28. Poolman, Virgil Goode was the only true conservative on the stage that night. Johnson straddles the line very clearly. Stein and Anderson were obvious leftists. The one thing that appealed to me about Goode besides his James Carville accent, was his not kicking the can down the road on balanced budget. Maybe I misunderstood him but I got the impression he wants to get ‘er done NOW. That’s admirable, even if likely impossible.

    What exactly are the PTB afraid of that they won’t let third party candidates participate in the major debates? Jon Stewart put it perfectly when he analyzed the Romney/Obama Syria strategy … same model cars just in different colors.

  29. One out of two, Calvin. You’re going to fit right in with Rutherford.

    Let me guess? You just swoon over Obama?

    Unfortunately for “intellects” like you, Abraham Lincoln I’m afraid was (dare I say it) religious…

  30. I often use the word “religion” when I’m referring to Christianity, even though I understand and agree with Tex @ #4. It’s just easier to use a word that people think they understand when discussing something that they also think they understand.

  31. Eh Tex …. you forget the huge brouhaha over Trig Palin? I had to conclude from that now legendary piece of righteous indignation from you that the mentally challenged are big on your folks-to-defend list. Ooooo maybe I got it wrong …. only Republican mentally challenged folks. 😉

    P.S. And puhleeeeze … save the lectures about Obama’s world. You and all the other readers of World Nut Daily live in your own fantasy world. The last folks to be throwing stones!

  32. Rutherford, jog my mind. Did I included something about Project Veritas? I can’t remember embedding a video.

    I’m just pointing out once again your charges of little or no voter fraud have been busted, on video. Only this time, it was the campaign manager and son of the candidate. 😆

    The word retard is a perfectly good word which to the best of my knowledge, I have never chastised. That’s for the politically correct.

    I chastised you for (1) mocking a Down’s Child; (2) suggesting he received his name from his disease.

    One of your many stupid moments.

  33. I often use the word “religion” when I’m referring to Christianity, even though I understand and agree with Tex @ #4. It’s just easier to use a word that people think they understand when discussing something that they also think they understand.

    Absolutely, Muffy. Good explanation. I too use the word ‘religion’ to describe the Abrahamic faiths, as in the world’s three great ‘religions.’

    But not in the context of the discussion in which Rutherford attempted it here. Therefore, Rutherford once again missed the mark. Clowns like Calvin won’t get it either, believing themselves resolved by their “devoutness” to bad science and sheer conjecture. 😉

  34. I am totally convinced there are things beyond mortal man’s comprehension. I am sure of it..

    Tex, my good man, how you misunderstand me! I am equally convinced there are things beyond our comprehension. I am very aware of the word “theory” in the big bang theory.

    This is what I think you find unfathomable. I am content to say “we don’t know and we may never know”. I’m not familiar enough with PF’s ideology to know whether he believes one day science will answer everything. I don’t subscribe to that. I suspect some things are unknowable. And I further believe that human pride cannot accept such a thing so we make up a story about a “creator” creating the world (in a week, no less) and we go further to not only make this creator an awesome phenomenon of science but a moral judge on top of that.

    You see that is where you and I part ways. You assume arrogance on my part. I am an ignorant ant on the ass of the universe. The ONLY thing that makes it hard for me to believe that I will one day be NOTHING is that I have a rational mind and I cannot imagine ever not having one.

    I don’t remember who said this, but I saw a quote the other day that said that we should not fear death because we don’t remember anything from before birth, so why should the end of life be so much worse than before we were born? Interesting notion. Doesn’t work for me. I am afraid to die. I fully admit it. I enjoy the experience of consciousness. I don’t like the idea of being “gone” one bit.

  35. I recently compared Bengazi, Penn State, and a British Jimmy Savile sex scandal as examples of leaders who betrayed their people. Today, Tex mentioned the New York Times and its failing fortunes.

    They have another problem now. Mark Thompson, former head of the BBC has been asked questions similar to what were asked of the Penn State executives and now Obama’s staff. Parliament is also asking what did Thompson know and when. Thompson declared he had not heard anything of the scandal, but now he has clarified to say he heard nothing official.

    This Obamaesque narrative will hurt the New York Times if they approve Mark Thompson as their new CEO.

  36. I think atheists should have a holiday.

    Celebrate your history, your milestones, your heroes and your good works. Spread the word how being an unbeliever has made your life better. Or how the knowledge that there’s nobody up there carried you through the storm, helped you walk a difficult road. How your being the be-all and end-all lifted you up when you most needed it. How you didn’t freak out when you were down to your last dollar because your certainty that there was no God carried you through. Cheer loud and long that no word you utter in your heart is ever heard. Share with your brothers and sisters how being an unbeliever gave you the courage and the will to kick booze or crack, and the desire to make your life better. Celebrate the peace that knowing what you know brings you when you’re at your lowest.

    Have at it.

  37. Back to politics and something less esoteric – or maybe more esoteric.

    I can honestly say that I have no idea as of today who will win this election. I thought by now I would have a certainty. As most of you who read this blog know, I’m bothered as much in that the election close as much or more as I could be on the losing side. I mean if half of the population has been satisfied with the last four years, I really do live in a bubble of my own making.

    The polls make no sense to me anymore and I’m not sure what to make of them. For instance:

    I read today Romney has now closed the gender gap – dead even, from the O’ssociated Press nonetheless. Romney has been and continues to be well ahead with men. Romney leads and has led the Independent vote anywhere from 7-19 points depending which poll you believe and use throughout this election cycle the last six weeks.

    And yet the popular vote remains fairly close. Something is not adding up, and I’m not sure what to make of this math. I’m beginning to think these polling methods aren’t worth a shit. 😀

    I get the feeling that Dims are desperate and feel like they are behind. I felt that way the other night during the debate too. I get the feeling there is a groundswell building against Obama.

    But then I look at the polls daily, nothing much changes, and it comes right back to Ohio, which I feel Republicans are kidding themselves about winning if they don’t win Ohio (Oiho for Obama Rubes).

    There is something that makes me increasingly uncomfortable thinking one state could decide an entire election for an entire nation. Even winning, I felt the same way in Florida 2000.

    No matter who wins, I don’t really see how you can effectively manage this country when there is no clear cut mandate and half the country has been conditioned on government dependency.

    Just a thought. We make be screwed either way. But there is sure going to be some real hard feelings either way come Nov. 7th.

  38. I don’t remember who said this, but I saw a quote the other day that said that we should not fear death because we don’t remember anything from before birth, so why should the end of life be so much worse than before we were born?

    I don’t rationally see how that could bring comfort to anyone, Rutherford. Seriously. No existence? For eternity? To me, that’s equally as terrifying, maybe moreso, as a tormented eternity with existence.

    And I think I could provide a pretty good secular and reasoned argument with empirical evidence that is totally against the most basic of human nature. If I am wrong, why do these people found guilty for life and sent to prison for the remainder of their days, do everything humanly possible to keep from going to the chair?

    I remember some years back, in a state of about half consciousness between awake and asleep, for whatever reason that image I don’t remember a thing before my birth sent me damn near into a panic attack. Only lasted a few seconds and has never happened again, but the last word I would use is peace during the event.

    Personal observation, there.

  39. “Surely you don’t want to lend support to Ann who throws the word “retard” around so carelessly. You wouldn’t want to trigger THE WRATH OF TEX now would you?”

    I called you a retard on the prior thread. It was fitting. As now, some more of your parsing of words about Obama’s use of terrorism being the same thing as saying Benghazi was an out of control protest over the video. The best way to describe it? “Pretty retarded.” The whole debate was over the term “terror” versus “spontaneous protest” and you say,”dumb. . . they’re the same thing” (or something to that effect).

    R, I wish you’d go for substance rather than isolating a line and acting like you’ve shredded the point by harping on some irrelevancy.

    I don’t know what the “kill him” bit is all about, but has nothing to do with the meat and potatoes. Coulter frequently nails you guys and it smarts — I know that beyond a 100% degree of metaphysical certainty. And it makes me smile. 😆

    If you had a shred of dignity you’d have some serious concerns about the handling of Benghazi. Instead, you rush to defend Obama from “whatever” happened however it happened. R, it matters.

  40. “R, I wish you’d go for substance rather than isolating a line and acting like you’ve shredded the point by harping on some irrelevancy. ”

    I think most would agree about most of his responses.

  41. You Can Easily Judge the Character of a Man by How He Treats Those Who Can Do Nothing for Him. ~James D. Miles

    Look at what Romney does for random people in need.

    Look at what Oblama does for his own brother.

    Judge the actions, not the rhetoric.

  42. “R, I wish you’d go for substance rather than isolating a line and acting like you’ve shredded the point by harping on some irrelevancy.

    You got that right, Tigre. I’ve never met anyone on this blog, short of the village idiot we all known and scorn, who is as guilty as taking one sentence out of a paragraph, parsing what was said, and then claiming victory.

    It used to annoy me. Now I simply recognize it as Rutherford is out of bullets, denying his own eyes and ears, and living on a hope (no prayer) for someone to show up to bail him out.

  43. A TALE OF TWO FORMER CABLE TV STARS:

    ‘Glenn Beck Is About to Become a $100 Million Man.’

    – Jeff Bercovici, Forbes, September 12, 2011.

    ‘Keith Olbermann Casts A Wide Net In Job Search.’

    – Jeff Bercovici, Forbes, today.

    The predictable end result of the Obama drone…. 😆

  44. How’s the Saturday Evening Post round your parts?

    Seriously, is that still published? Hey Tigre believe it or not I’d prefer the poor read hard copies of The National Review than be completely cut off from information.

  45. For the initiated, libraries have computers (and print too) for most publications. If one were to subscribe, I think it’s safe to assume they qualify as “initiated.”

    I am confused by your comments.

    First, as to your confusion, what else is new?

    You make a couple of assumptions. I’m not talking about folks who subscribe. I’m talking about folks who buy the magazine at the corner store or the grocery store. Lower income folks whose priorities probably don’t include trips to the public library.

    Now I know my entire premise flies in the face of the conservative meme of the welfare abuser who buys an iPad with their welfare check. My concern is more based in reality. Folks with little money to spend, who don’t have computers and whose lifestyle involves picking up a printed newspaper or magazine.

    Here is the simple bottom line. Until broadband access is truly universal (meaning that folks on a farm in the middle of Nebraska have it), you have to maintain the “old-fashioned” methods of information distribution. It’s bad enough that the FCC stopped analog broadcasting. I wonder just how many folks no longer have access to free TV.

  46. James (and Tigre), you make a reasonable point that businesses have to do what they have to do to stay in business. Perhaps what really got my goat was the attitude of not only Tina Brown but the entire panel on “Morning Joe” with their f*cking airport observations like everyone in the country takes the red eye from LA to NY to guest-pundit on a talk show.

    I don’t think the evolution of an “information ghetto” is on anyone’s radar screen and I find that disturbing.

  47. Fox is regarded as more impartial and they attract more viewers.

    James, you owe me a new keyboard. I just vomited all over mine.

    You’re kidding right? EVERYONE without exception views Fox as the most biased news outlet on the planet inching out MSNBC by a nose. The reason Fox gets more viewers is that they are more sensational and their hosts light more asses on fire.

    C’mon man … this election season is warping your mind!!!!

  48. We’re not talking denial of access to news generally, but another biased publication among thousands.

    I hate to let you in on a secret but the main stream media is still considered by sane people to be fair. It’s only the fact-immune right that rejects it as the “lame stream media”. Newsweek is a mainstream magazine, it’s not The New Republic or The Nation.

  49. OK Tigre, brace yourself, I’m gonna piss you off again … but I want to float an assumption by you. Is it fair to assume you work for a well established big law firm with a long history … one of those firms with the founder’s paintings on the conference room walls? I’m guessing based on your love affair with the Board of Directors, the stockholders and the bosses that you’ve never been a storefront lawyer.

    You’ve said on the board that you’ve been involved in EPA related litigation. Can I assume you’ve never defended a person whose faucet goes up in flames when you put a match under it? Can I assume you’ve represented big fat cat corps whose wittle feefees get hurt because the EPA doesn’t want them to abuse the f*cking planet?

    I offer these assumptions because you’ve repeatedly claimed to be confounded by my employer/employee comments. I’d like to get a better idea of whose side you’re on in your day-to-day life. It will help to explain the confusion for me.

  50. “I hate to let you in on a secret but the main stream media is still considered by sane people to be fair. It’s only the fact-immune right that rejects it as the “lame stream media”. Newsweek is a mainstream magazine, it’s not The New Republic or The Nation.”

    “EVERYONE without exception views Fox as the most biased news outlet on the planet inching out MSNBC by a nose. ”

    It is official. Rutherford lives in his own bubble universe and transmits his pirate message to us here. He has no ties to the reality that I live in.

  51. Hey, maybe it’s something about going to Ivy league schools Tex, but I dread the day my kid starts differential equations and stuff at that level. I’ve forgotten all of it. I’m not at all surprised at Obama’s math confession.

    It’s a shame that’s all you could pull from the Leno appearance. I thought his crack about growing up with Donald Trump in Kenya was hilarious.

    P.S. You know Tex … I think you may be onto something. Perhaps all that commie liberal indoctrination that goes on in the Ivy League ultimately interferes with retention of core skills? 😉

  52. Alfie, thanks for at least getting my point about information availability. I think you make a good point. There are way too many folks content to be ignorant and wouldn’t notice the difference if these news sources disappeared.

    On a slightly different subject …. the iPad mini … I just don’t get it. Who needs a smaller iPad that is still too damn expensive? Take the iPad as it is and lower the damn price so more folks can afford one.

    I’ve wanted one badly but I refuse to pony up the money for it.

  53. I hate to let you in on a secret but the main stream media is still considered by sane people to be fair. It’s only the fact-immune right that rejects it as the “lame stream media”. Newsweek is a mainstream magazine, it’s not The New Republic or The Nation.

    Peter Pan, you’re either so far removed from reality due to the completely unhinged Chris Matthews, Lawrence O’Donnell, Chaz Maddow, and Bulldog Schultz nightly viewing, or you are so far out of the loop, you’re living in 1988 still.

    And please note, it is not just Conservatives that have come to the conclusion of the LSM… 🙄 I guess in your little world, it is only Dimocrats that are fair.

    A new Gallup poll shows a record 60 percent of Americans have little to no trust in the mass media’s ability to report a story fully, fairly and accurately. Gallup said this continues the trend of negativity towards the media increasing every election year compared to the year prior.

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/gallup-poll-shows-democrats-trust-media-more_b62586

  54. Ohhh this could be good. Klein confirmed that Bill and Hillary Clinton have been engaging in “heated discussions” where the former president has urged his wife to “release the documents that would exonerate her.” He reiterated that Clinton has refused to do so because she fears she would look like a “Judas,” or a traitor, in the administration and it might hurt her chances for a presidential nomination in 2016

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ed-klein-bill-clinton-urging-hillary-to-release-benghazi-documents-that-would-exonerate-her-destroy-obamas-re-election-hopes/

  55. Did I included something about Project Veritas?

    No, the article you linked to included a video from Project Veritas. I’m surprised you didn’t notice it in there.

    I chastised you for (1) mocking a Down’s Child;

    No, I mocked his mother

    (2) suggesting he received his name from his disease.

    No again, I was mocking his mother suggesting she was stupid enough to accidentally name him after his disease.

    And after Sarah’s latest dip into the racist gutter with “shuck and jive” I am sorry I have not been even more vile in my treatment of her. 👿

  56. Ha Ha, Rutherford, I wrote that Fox is regarded as more impartial, not that it is more impartial. They attract more viewers than most of the other networks, because the others tend to be overtly biased.

    It used to be a matter of debate, but no more. Fox may have coordinated with Bush. The other networks do the same with Obama. Don’t forget Journalist

    I’m sorry you lost your keyboard, especially after you wrote one of the day’s best jokes

  57. R, you’re wrong. In fact, I have told you plenty about my endeavors in the past that is directly contrary to what you’ve said. As is often the case, I am beginning to wonder whether suffer from Alzheimers. You really do have the memory of a goldfish.

    Let me think about what I’m willing to share here or in an email that I have not already. I am guarded for a reason. Suffice it to say though, I do not represent corporations and your visualization of my work and work environment is way off the mark (though I did represent large, loathsome financial institutions for a brief, miserable period of time early in my career).

  58. Speaking of visualizations, I am laughing my ass off thinking of all the Newsweek readers you suppose live in the hood. Cell phones and computers, yes. Access to computers, yes. Access to t,v,, newspapers,and radio, yes. Newsweek, no.

  59. And after Sarah’s latest dip into the racist gutter with “shuck and jive” I am sorry I have not been even more vile in my treatment of her.

    Have you morphed into Chris Matthews, Peter?

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/10/24/chris-matthews-who-used-phrase-shuck-and-jive-now-calls-sarah-palin-

    😆 Man, you were a better man dreaming of Sarah Palin than defending the media and The Chair.

    Probably time for you to have a reoccurrence of PDS.

  60. I agree with your 62 comment. Many poor are invisible and easily forgotten.

    I don’t know how the switch from analogue television worked for others Rutherford. Here, the government offered coupons to pay for converter boxes. We also had to buy new television antennas. Ours is electric and in our third floor attic. A second television would require another antenna and converter box.

    It took a while how to figure out the wiring because I let the signal move from the converter box to the DVD player and then to the TV.Local television stations created shadow stations and since we are centrally located between two cities, we now have a choice of 25 to 35 stations including public TV, Hispanic Accuweather.oldies, and regular programing.

  61. By the way, that FAUX News just surpassed the Alphabet Broadcasting Systems of NBC, CBS, and ABC concerning views watched in both the debate and many times, the nightly news.

    The world is changing and leaving Rutherford behind. 😈 Dinosaur Rutherford – I’ll mail a few ancient copies of Newsweak.

  62. You want my suggestion for the Atheists for holiday:

    (1) February 2nd
    (2) October 31st

    Both are equally fitting.

    Ah shucks …. I thought you’d say February 14th. After all, atheists are lovers not fighters. 🙂

  63. Hey Rutherford. I wanted an Ipad real bad too. Then, inexplicably, the tax payer bought me one. In fact they bought everyone of us one. Because its technological and stuff. And it will help the kids because its technological. And stuff.

  64. You can’t fool me,Rutherford. You have a secret crush on Sarah Palin, don’t you? I’ll bet you pretend Tina Fey is Sarah

  65. I think atheists should have a holiday.

    The comment that follows this opening by Muffy would be fine and dandy if there weren’t so many crack addicts, alcoholics, murderers and suicides who call themselves Christians. Did Christianity make them crack addicts, alcoholics, murderers and suicides? Of course not. But clearly Christianity alone is not the cure. I suspect for those who it saves, it props up an already existing will to persevere … a will that could possibly exist in the absence of religion.

    Muffy, ultimately we are all ALONE. If being religious gives the majority of us the illusion that we are not … that someone is always hearing the words in our heart, as you put it, then so be it.

    As for me, I’ll go hours with a headache and seldom give in and take a pain reliever. I don’t look outside myself to escape my desolation. That doesn’t make me better. It just makes me me.

  66. The most annoying part about Rutherford’s boring, first year of college, religious skepticism are his haughty claims of being an innocent agnostic mixed in with his all knowing, atheist fatwas.

    You are all alone, Muffy. Father R says so.

  67. I can honestly say that I have no idea as of today who will win this election.

    Damn Tex … have you switched to a more soothing brand of tea lately or something? To see you this honest about the current election uncertainty is astounding. Are you setting me up? Was this just sarcasm … a sucker punch at old Rutherford?

    Worry not old friend … your man in the field the 800LB Gorilla says this is going to be a Romney landslide. I think he’s nuts but hell … if you can find comfort with him then drink it in.

    But there is sure going to be some real hard feelings either way come Nov. 7th.

    No truer words have been said. The country is so polarized that I am truly concerned about the aftermath of this election.

    I think James wrote about this in the prior thread but I’ll repeat it … how bout this scenario:

    1) Electoral tie
    2) House selects POTUS and of course, GOP house selects GOP POTUS — Romney (see footnote below)
    3) Senate (in Jan 2013) selects VP. Dem Senate chooses Biden, a tied Senate chooses Biden (cos Biden breaks the tie)

    We get a Romney/Biden administration.

    FOOTNOTE: I cannot swear to this but I heard it on Rachel Maddow. In the event that the House vote on POTUS is a tie (each state only gets one vote despite having multiple representatives) … John Boehner becomes President of the United States!!!!!

    HOLY SHIIIIIIIITE

  68. It could be an Romney electoral landslide, Rutherford. But only if Romney takes virtually every swing state, and I think that pretty unlikely unless something really big happens between now and then.

    Why Benghazi hasn’t been the final nail, I don’t know. It’s huge in my book, and yet half the country doesn’t seem to care that Obama has clearly lied, his incompetence cost four people their lives. The double standards are glaring. As you know, I have never found liberals moral.

    One thing I guarantee you is not going to happen. If God serves His Wrath on America and ordains Obama to finally finish us off as a country, it won’t be an Obama landslide this time. He’ll squeak by, and probably lose the popular vote to boot. That would really suck.

    Other than New Mexico and the large contingent of Hispanics, South of Mason Dixon line, Obama is Chavez. 😉

  69. Sorry to paste a full article but I got a kick out of this … especially the final paragraph.

    Last week the oldest of Mitt Romney’s five sons, Tagg, 42, raised eyebrows when he explained to a radio interviewer what it was like to watch President Obama assail his dad’s truthfulness.

    Tagg said the comments made him want to “jump out of my seat and … rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him.” He made the comments to North Carolina radio host Bill LuMaye.

    “But you know you can’t do that because, well, first, because there’s a lot of Secret Service between you and him, but also because this is the nature of the process,” Tagg said. “They’re going to do everything they can do to try to make my dad into someone he’s not. We signed up for it. We’ve gotta kinda sit there and take our punches and then send them right back the other way.”

    The comments raised eyebrows and were satirized on Saturday Night Live.

    Sources tell ABC News that on stage after the debate last night, Tagg apologized to the president for the remark, a mea culpa the president quickly accepted.

    A source close to the Romney campaign reports that Tagg’s younger brother Josh, 37, notes that he has, in fact, taken punches from Tagg – and that the president has nothing to worry about.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/after-the-debate-tagg-romney-apologized-to-the-president/

  70. for whatever reason that image I don’t remember a thing before my birth sent me damn near into a panic attack.

    Yup, the same thing happens to me whenever I ponder the “void”. Scares the living crap out of me. It’s why I don’t dwell on it much.

  71. If you had a shred of dignity you’d have some serious concerns about the handling of Benghazi.

    My concern about Benghazi is tempered by my acceptance of the “fog of war” and the need for time to go by as we sift through what happened. As I’ve written before, credible reporters with contacts in the intelligence community have reported that this armed group sent mixed signals to onlookers as to their motives and that their attachment to al Qaeda could be anywhere from direct to al Qaeda wanna-be’s.

    If we lost 3000 of our people on September 11, 2004 instead of 2001 I do NOT believe the Democrats would have politicized it to gain points for Kerry. The nation would have stuck together. This year, we get finger pointing.

  72. If we lost 3000 of our people on September 11, 2004 instead of 2001 I do NOT believe the Democrats would have politicized it to gain points for Kerry.

    Good grief. You’re still using the death of 3,000 people to bash Bush on October 25, 2012.

    And I guess you missed my Crazed Larry video threatening Tagg to a fight. I asked you to get me set up with Larry and you never answered.

  73. Really? As I’ve written before, credible reporters with contacts in the intelligence community have reported that Obama lied to the American public about the events and what he knew out of political expediency.

    I watched the debates too, R.

    The statements and actions are irreconcilable. You have no concerns because you choose not to.

    Your unwillingness to hold Obama to any standards is unrepentant.

  74. People watched the attack on a moniter. They read e mails asking for help They also failed to heed month’s old requests for more protection. Later, they lied about a video movie few people saw. And you call that the “fog of war”?
    “Concern”? You should be feeling anger and rage.

    We need more finger pointing than we have had so far.

    The incident touches a raw nerve.

    If you keep this up, I will bore you with another war story which illustrates my inaction in the “fog of war.” Perhaps my adventures with the hospital gray ladies.

  75. “So is the secret service, I guess. Who could trump an opinion writer for the Washington Post? 🙄 ”

    Did you bother to notice they’re two different incidents?

  76. Thanks for mentioning my flight of fancy. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Romney and Biden won the election? Or Boehner?

    Maybe it would be like California when Mike Curb, musician who had a hit, “Burning Bridges” entered politics.. He was lieutenant Governor when Jerry Brown was chief executive. Their problem was that Curb was a Republican and Brown a Democrat.

    When Brown left the state, Curb appointed justices and created commissions. Brown sued but the State Supreme Court ruled in Curb’s favor.; I don’t remember all of the details, but I believe Jerry Brown became a virtual prisoner in his own state. He couldn’t leave for fear of what Curb would do,

  77. Rutherford (& others) have you been following the story over the whole Gloria ALL-Red and the Staples founders divorce?
    Is this a payback kind of thing for all the birther stuff? Is Gloria to be taken serious ever again? How pathetic does the Obama camp look on this?

  78. “Did you bother to notice they’re two different incidents?”

    Nope. And I don’t care. It’s besides the point and the veracity of the piece is no better than before.

    I sent you an email.

  79. Alfie, what makes it especially pathetic from what I can tell, the objective was to get the scorned ex to badmouth Romney’s testimony that contradicted her experts’ valuation. He already said they could have the transcript of his testimony. Cheap. Desperate.

  80. Nope. And I don’t care. It’s besides the point and the veracity of the piece is no better than before.

    You’re kidding right? It’s beside the point? Unless Ann cited the Scranton example in her book and not the Florida example it’s entirely the point and it makes her a liar.

    FWIW, I distinctly remember watching the coverage of it on the news and HEARING “kill him”. I prefer to believe my own ears before believing Ann Coulter. Even you must admit Ann is in the business of selling Ann. She’s a five year old “look at me” girl who never grew up.

    Got your email and will read in full tomorrow morning when I have more mental bandwidth but thanks for the details (from what I skimmed), it does help.

  81. Alfie, etal, this divorce stuff and how it is connected to Romney is all new to me. I’ll have to play catch-up tomorrow.

    My wife repaid my charitable cold contagion by passing the damn thing back to me. I’ve been miserable most of the day. 😦

    P.S. One thing I have learned from experience although Tex and PF are welcome to pipe in from a clinical perspective, is that living in smaller quarters keeps one sicker more damn often. I swear when I had 3000+ square feet to play with the germs would disperse. Here I feel like I’m in a f*cking petri dish. 😡

  82. You are the petri dish, brotha. 🙂 Get out of your wife’s face and leave the poor thing alone when she’s sick. Quit being such a horn dog and let her get well. I’d breathe on you too with nasty viruses if you were always trying to cop a feel.

    You know what I think it is? MSNBC has compromised your immune system and overwhelmed you with stupid. It’s impacting all aspects of your life, most notably the gray matter in your head. Listening to Rachel Maddow alone is worse for you than smoking. Just looking at her has taken a few months off my life.

    ——–

    I’ll assume you tracheotomy has made you far more susceptible to respiratory infections on a more serious note? Makes sense to me, since you bypass one of the biggest jobs of the nose – filtration of bad stuff and the mucosal immunity of the lymph nodes during the breathing process.

  83. What exactly are the PTB afraid of that they won’t let third party candidates participate in the major debates?

    Improvisation. That unscripted moment in the right place and time.

    When free range go off the plantation entirely. Liberating, really.

    Tsk, tsk, tsk. All those years of planning down the tubes. 😉

  84. Quit sucking in germs, Rutherford. Is there good breathing in Illinois? How much plastic is decaying in your environment. Are you taking colloidal silver? Vitamin C? OD on the C, but minimize the silver intake. Not medical advice, just good healthy habits.

  85. muffy noted: “I believe life begins at conception. I’m respectful (I should say tolerant) that others don’t believe that. I think they are wrong. They think I’m wrong. So we compromise and establish agreements that work for both of us, or at least settle on something we can both live with.
    Alrighty?”

    Perfect.

  86. re: atheist holidays.

    The current ones will do just fine. I love halloween, but I don’t believe in ghosts, goblins or The Great Pumpkin – it’s not necessary. I enjoy Christmas and easter, too, and I don’t believe in any of their Great Pumpkins. Belief in the supernatural is not a requirement – they are great times to get the family together and reaffirm family ties.

    Of course the Christmas tree is a pagan symbol – I DO believe in all that stuff; we celebrate beltane and samhain every year… and the faeries at the bottom of my garden – I forgot the faeries.

    Fairies

    THERE are fairies at the bottom of our garden!
    It’s not so very, very far away;
    You pass the gardner’s shed and you just keep straight ahead —
    I do so hope they’ve really come to stay.
    There’s a little wood, with moss in it and beetles,
    And a little stream that quietly runs through;
    You wouldn’t think they’d dare to come merrymaking there–
    Well, they do.

    There are fairies at the bottom of our garden!
    They often have a dance on summer nights;
    The butterflies and bees make a lovely little breeze,
    And the rabbits stand about and hold the lights.
    Did you know that they could sit upon the moonbeams
    And pick a little star to make a fan,
    And dance away up there in the middle of the air?
    Well, they can.

    There are fairies at the bottom of our garden!
    You cannot think how beautiful they are;
    They all stand up and sing when the Fairy Queen and King
    Come gently floating down upon their car.
    The King is very proud and very handsome;
    The Queen–now you can quess who that could be
    (She’s a little girl all day, but at night she steals away)?
    Well — it’s Me!

    Rose Fyleman 1877 – 1957

  87. Here, Rutherford – maybe this will make you feel better about the “great void.”

    “I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

    ― Mark Twain

  88. Or this. “Yeah,though walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil for I am the meanest SOB in the valley!”

  89. Jay Carney, President Obama’s mouth piece said “shuck and jive” at one of his press confrences in 2011. He must and by extension, Obama must be as racist as Sarah Palin.

  90. James – we never called it “shuck and jive” when I was in college. We motorcycle-hippie gearheads called it “double-clutching” – a sort of double hand movement as the brothas would get their rear parts in gear to start walking away. “Hey, Stud, you goin’ to double-clutch down to the Dairy Mart?” “Fuck you, white boy, you just mad cause you got no rhythm!” “Ok then, bring me an Iron City.” “You got it, Bro!” Good times, good fellowship, p*ssy galore – enough for everybody and readily available. Who said the ‘seventies were no fun?

  91. Good story, Pfessor. Yes, the seventies were fun.

    That Obama commercial fits a Beatles tune, “Why don’t we do it in the road? No one will be watching us. Why don’t we do it in the road?”

  92. Tex Taylor said:

    “Unfortunately for “intellects” like you, Abraham Lincoln I’m afraid was (dare I say it) religious…”

    Why is that unfortunate for me? I would judge Lincoln for his works without giving a hoot about his “religious” beliefs.

    But since Christianity isn’t a “religion” (according to you), are you saying that Lincoln’s religiosity took some other form>

    By the way – you seem to have forgotten that Darwin was “religious” too But he didn’t let that blind him to the evidence that lay before his lying eyes. He was willing to let go of the Hebrew mythology that was the orthodox belief of his age and place.

    I’d still like to know what the frack you think Christianity is if it isn’t a religion. Or are you just playing word games with us? The kind where you make up your own dictionary so that we can’t possibly have a meaningful discussion?

  93. The kind where you make up your own dictionary so that we can’t possibly have a meaningful discussion?

    Frankly, religious bigots like you, full of themselves and without knowledge, bore me Calvin. You didn’t attempt to respond when I asked my question back to you in return for your answer. Yes, it was a word game. Because that is what you market in – word games.

    The evidence that lays before my eyes is conjecture on behalf of garden variety bigots like you, expecting me to believe in their own version of hocus pocus.

    Frankly, what clowns like you preach is intellectually insulting. And to come in here, leave a steaming pile, a pile cloned and parroted as you all sound the same, is not a way to begin a discussion.

    So you got the respect you deserve, Calvin. If you don’t like the tone, then I suggest a newbie like you approach your questioning in a more professional manner instead of a pompous ass.

    I didn’t forget Darwin was ‘religious.’ That was his problem and his downfall – he was ‘religious’ in the same sense you are.

  94. Tex Taylor said:

    “You want my suggestion for the Atheists for holiday:

    (1) February 2nd
    (2) October 31st

    Both are equally fitting.”

    February 2? Huh? That’s Candlemas Day – like so many Christian holy days, it was co-opted from those who had previously celebrated it as the midpoint between the winter solstice and the spring equinox. Candles were important in winter!

    Groundhog day? Get real! No atheist or agnostic actually believes that a groundhog can predict the weather six weeks out. They aren’t that gullible. Show them the science! Gullibility belongs much more to the faithful. Wouldn’t you agree? .

    October 31? A DEEPLY religious event with 100% religious roots. It’s All Hallows Eve! But if atheists and agnostics don’t believe in God, they surely don’t believe in the Devil, or in ghosts and vampires and werewolves and all the other silliness surrounding Halloween that is the flip side of Christianity (which isn’t a religion, after all). Halloween is for mocking superstitions like that.

    And who doesn’t love a sexy young witch? :-;

  95. Hey, Tex: I haven’t been back here since I posted in the first place. And you’re going all postal on me for not responding promptly to your questions? I don’t have time to hang out here 24/7 as some of you seem to do. What’s your problem anyway?

    You, on the other hand, have had time (LOTS of time apparently) to respond to my uncomplicated question, but chose to go all ad hominem on me instead.

    Got it! You’re a fine example of a dedicated Christian.

    Go frack yourself.

    Adios, pendejo.

  96. This is the first time I’ve ever been called a “newbie” in a hostile context upon making an initial blog post. Is this some sort of forum where only the chosen few are welcome? Tough crowd!

    Or does this tough crowd only welcome “newbies” who have “orthodox” opinions, and who DISAGREE with the moderator?

    How strange… More like performance art than discussion. Mr. Taylor would be lost without his adoring audience.

    Anyway, Mr. Lawson made me feel welcome. Thank you, and adios to you too, good sir.

  97. Actually, a rodent can predict the future winter weather, or rather, the sky can.. Our ancestors watched signs and cycles carefully because their lives depended on preparations for environmental changes. Candelmass Day came about half way through the winter. Pagans observed the day long before Christians found Jesus and converted Europe.

    The tradition is based on observation. Sunny weather in northwestern Europe is usually associated with high pressure which often persists for weeks with cold frosty temperatures. Low pressure with precipitation and milder temperatures is intersperced between the highs.

    Once a high or low pressure area settles over the region, it may stall and maintain its weather for weeks. Thus, if the sun shines on the big day, the odds favor a period of continued cold with light easterly winds from central Europe or Siberia. . If it is cloudy, milder, rainier weather is more likely as southwesterlies blow from the Atlantic Ocean.. I know the lore to be true, because I lived there.

    Europeans brought their beliefs to America, but our weather patterns are different. Thus, the ground hog, badger, or any other animal used has no predictive value here, though it does in the region of its origins.

  98. I’m no moderator. Feel free to speak openly and grab a spine.

    Calvin, you’re a pompous ass. And not a terribly bright one either.

    You don’t insult people’s deepest held tenets, then expect to be treated like royalty, unless you’re some deluded fool believing the inorganic clay theories of idiocy. Which you are.

    I prefer the English pejorative the the Spanish slang – that way everybody understands the insult.

    I washed my arse especially for you this morning, Calvin. Now you can bend down and kiss it before I break my foot off in yours. 😉

  99. Calvin, seems to me your sporting for a fight and drawing your own framework to start said conflict. Just sayin. I am guessing you are Liberal, for no other reason than you have painted yourself a victim of an injustice, I assume to lay the groundwork for future rantings to work the sympathy angle.

    Don’t take this as wrong, quite frankly this blog needs new Liberals. The current list any number of us could write an answer for them as they have become increasingly predictable in their responses.

    New numbers out, oddly enough just before the election, much like the employment numbers, 2% economic growth.Interesting fun fact though is also in this same time frame, government spending has spiked with an increase of 9.8%. Coincidence? I think not.

  100. Tex, apparently you didn’t hear Obama tell us all about he lept to action, cutting through the fog of war :roll:, on the news from Benghazi.

    Noonan did a good job sizing up Obama this morning. I guess he drew most of it from Woodward’s book.

    I sense a landslide.

  101. Noah, the economically illiterate are unaffected. Thor and R still fail to see any anomalies. It’s not just the jockeying. They really, really, really don’t get it.

  102. As malodorous and babbling as ‘Calvin’ was on his very first post, you would think he at least would have the backbone to stick around being he obviously came armed…

    …with a glue gun to the gun fight. 😈

    Having to aim at Calvin’s jelly ass and noodle spine takes all the fun out of shooting back. I even let him get away with a mulligan on the first one.

    Calvin’s KKKos, Dhimmi Underground material….a lesser breed of illiterate, leftist rube.

  103. I sense a landslide.

    Definitely seems to be trending toward Romney. The math of these pollls is making absolutely no sense to me, so I’m scared to go with a prediction. Add to the fact Obama is so disdained where I live, we’d as soon be under Stalin, I don’t have the feel for the country like I used to.

    However, the makeup of this country has changed so much, I don’t predict a 1980 type of romp like some and certainly what is deserved. There are parts of this country so sold out and dependent, they know nothing else. I see more of a 2004 election result.

    Obama’s had time to buy a lot of smoke, drink and buses to ship in the illegal and ignorant vote over four years. Ruthless, lying jackboots like HitlerRod, Jarrett and Shelly Antoinette aren’t leaving the good life, going out without selling out.

    I put nothing beneath libs to win. Nothing. Americans dead – cost of the victory. Stolen elections – fair game. Taking commie and terrorist monies. Good policy.

    I still think it will be tight. It’s not the popular vote I worry about – it’s the electoral college.

  104. Did you see this, Tigre?

    Three states form the base of Democratic political power in the United States: California, New York and Illinois. All three states are locked in an accelerating economic, demographic and social decline; all three hope that they can stave off looming disaster at home by exporting the policies that have ruined them to the rest of the country.

    Mary Williams Walsh, a talented reporter who is doing much to sustain the luster of the New York Times brand these days, has a must-read piece on the mess that is Illinois, and it is a compelling description of the misery and ruin that well-intentioned liberals combined with aggressive public sector labor unions inflict on the poor they ostensibly want to serve. . . .

    This of course is President Obama’s home state; one wishes that he spent more time on the campaign trail describing his horror and remorse at what decades of bad government have done. Apparently, the subject holds no interest for him: no lessons to be learned here about where blue governance ultimately leads. ~ WALTER RUSSELL MEAD, Obama 2008 voter

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/10/25/news-from-obamas-home-state/

  105. “How strange… More like performance art than discussion. Mr. Taylor would be lost without his adoring adulating audience.

    FIFY You’re getting the standard ‘newbie’ treatment fomented toward anyone approaching left of Texas. Anything less is considered dereliction of duty.

    Don’t fret, it’s a whole lot of toothless bark and growl.

  106. Calvin,

    In response to Poolman’s accusations and in the event you grab a set and return understanding insult will be traded for insult, you should know it is the consensus of most of the room that Poolman is mentally ill and without merit.

    We have made the attempt to direct him to the nearest medical authority, but conceit and pride being what they are, the good advice has gone unheeded at present.

    However, Poolman would provide you a kindred spirit. And since I really do believe liberalism is a well defined mental illness, perhaps it is best you stick with Poolman. It would provide you a measure of company.

  107. Reality check for Tex. “But the number’s don’t lie. At the start of this week, Barack Obama’s chances of winning Ohio were 70 per cent. Today they’re at 75. Wisconsin has moved up to 86 per cent, Nevada 78, Iowa 68, New Hampshire 69, Colorado 57, Virginia 54. Overall, his chance of wining is now put at 73 per cent, his highest for 18 days. That’s not momentum; that’s Omentum.” Nat Silver

  108. Looks like we’re done boys. We’ve been hit with another boomstick from Newt. Obama’s got it in the bag.

    Anyone notice that Newt hasn’t gotten anything right here? I can’t think of a single instance. Why is that Newt?

  109. “Noah, the economically illiterate are unaffected. Thor and R still fail to see any anomalies. It’s not just the jockeying. They really, really, really don’t get it.”

    I think you are wrong on this. If we are to believe R’s back story, he is a Harvard grad. How does one leave a school like that without a basic economic understanding? I think they do understand, and don’t care. I believe these are nefarious people with bad intentions. They are casting their vote, DESPITE knowing full well the ramifications of that vote will bring.

  110. Well Newtsico,

    Your reading of Mr. Silver, whose been consistently wrong in every election I’m aware, should make you happy. We shall see. But that flies in the face everything else I’m reading.

    Heck, we’re still trying to capture the NASCAR vote.

    Were you the girl in the “Like a Virgin” Big O campaign commercial yesterday?

    Because, that is pretty much what I picture in my concerning you, especially with the words Omentum referenced.

    😆

  111. Vote like your lady parts depend on it.

    😆

    And demand those damn tax returns! Romney is lying to you, Newtsico.

    —-

    I’m may be the only one here that finds Donald Trump’s challenge to Obama amusing, as like most, I find Trump a trumpet of self-aggrandizement.

    But I think in his twisted way, Trump has once again demonstrated Obama as an utter and thoroughly complete fraud. If Obama really the giant we were told he was in 2008, he would have requested Columbia and Hawwwvard to release his records for charity and shut the mouths of his critics. Might have even helped his reelection chances.

    I think what happened is Trump has something, and was asked (maybe begged) by the Romney camp to not present whatever dirt Trump found until after the election.

    Which tells me contrary to Newsico’s bragging rights, the Romney campaign must be feeling pretty good about their chances. And I can assure you, they have access to better polling than Nate Silver does.

  112. The popular vote is not how we elect Presidents James, so why even bother with that? Tex, aren’t most NASCAR folk in red states? Romney has those and we certainly aren’t counting on those.

  113. The popular vote is not how we elect Presidents James, so why even bother with that?

    Really? OH NO!

    Tex, aren’t most NASCAR folk in red states? Romney has those and we certainly aren’t counting on those.

    But not four weeks ago, you told us The Chair was up 48-43 concerning the NASCAR vote. What happened?

  114. Just reported, the CIA asked for help 3 times WHILE the attack was going on and were DENIED! Our men, our ambassador, did not need to die!

  115. I know that Newt. The popular vote reflects the mood of the country, and it feels like 2010 as I wrote. The Obama campaign knows it is slipping away and is sounding more desperate.

    I don’t know how the Electoral College would poll today, but it is just a hunch that Romney will Ultimately be our next president.

  116. I think the president blew his chances at a successful presidency with the HCR debacle. He “won” the battle but he lost a lot in the process. I’ve long believed that the president, Pelosi, and Reid wanted all the credit for the ACA to go to the Democrats for the history books. I also feel that the motivation for that was to right the wrongs of the past – particularly the Civil Rights Act and the ERA. Or rather more accurately, to claim victory as the sole champions for the people and cast the Republicans as the anti-people people. I think they were embarrassed by the Democrat opposition to those acts and bitter about the Republican support. It didn’t fit their narrative of their history.

    This administration is motivated to this day by shaping their narrative, not living in the present.

    ~

    That virgin vote ad is tacky.

  117. I forgot to say that the Republicans in congress have been exacting their revenge for the way they were treated by the triplets of teamwork ever since.

  118. This is something a little different which might make for a very interesting discussion while we wait for the election results.

  119. Also just reported. The CIA agent that was killed, when denied 3 times for help, defied orders and went to help the people in the embassy, costing him his life. A true hero and I salute him.

  120. I’ll take the bait, Newt. Weather is one of my hobbies, so it would be fun,

    I’m not in the mood today. Be patient.

  121. Yet another solar power company goes under, and the tax payers pay the price of Obama’s poor choices. Add to that, there were serious problems reported with the panels produced with this company before they were given a $300 million line of credit from the government, and they got the money anyways. Now that homes have caught on fire from these panels, panels that workers said worked fine as long as you didn’t put them in the sun, the company is bankrupt.

    Why do we want 4 more years of almost 100% failure rate of investments?

  122. This Benghazi thing really burns my ass. If there was justice, we would be putting a rope around Obama’s neck and hanging him from the White House balcony.

    We’ve got the U.N. mentality sitting in the White House, incompetent and corrupt.

    AC-130U Gunship was On-Scene in Benghazi, Obama Admin Refused to Let It Fire

    Can you believe this crap? They let four people go to their preventable deaths.

  123. This Benghazi scandal this is the worst thing I’ve ever seen a President oversee in my 50+ years. The worst thing, and I mean that in all seriousness.

    Forget about reelection. This is criminal negligence, gang. Criminal negligence. They should be tried and convicted.

  124. You already know why I am not thrilled about the attacks.

    A poll showed a majority of people approve of how Obama managed the attacks. An interviewer sympathised with Obama because of his difficulty with sorting out such disparate information. Most of the press is minimizing the incident until people lose interest.

    Nobody cares. it was similar to Watergate. The scandal percolated for months until critical mass threatened Nixon. Its good that information is feeding out incrementally to keep peoples’ attention. Maybe it will be enough to cost Obama some votes. If Republicans retake the Senate, I hope they crucify them all.

  125. I see Rutherford’s decline continues. He certainly seems to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against something he continually declares his certainty doesn’t exist. I wonder if he allows leprechauns and fairies as much rent-free space in his head as he does for a God he keeps saying doesn’t exist, and skittle-shitting unicorns ridden by lightworkers from Chicago? All this time being angry at a “myth” can’t leave much time for actually enjoying the enlightnement of a philosophy baased on the abscense of wonder and “facts” that change with every paradignm shift, does it? No wonder you’re so very bitter.

    Moving on, I really wanted to address this gem:

    But Tina’s money-is-all-that-matters approach was not the real tragedy of the announcement. The real tragedy is the number of disenfranchised people who will never have access to the digital Newsweek. We are truly approaching an age where information is being rationed out to the better-to-do. The poor can go pound salt. The panel on “Morning Joe” thought themselves profound as they observed everyone at the airports they frequent using i-Pads or other tablets. Hey, you arrogant out of touch butt holes, the poor don’t go to airports. The poor go to the corner store and buy a friggin’ magazine or newspaper. These same folks, mostly liberal, who belly ache about wealth being concentrated at the top 1% don’t give a second’s thought to information access being concentrated at the top also.

    I know several “poor” people who have tablets or much newer laptops than mine. But then, I actually pay for my own food, housing, and healthcare, so….

    Setting that anecdote aside, we live in an age where even “poor” people have smartphones, and public libraries have computers with internet access, FREE to the public. And then there are the charges attached to ISPs to pay for “access” for people who might not otherwise be able to afford it. I don’t really buy the complaint, especially in the days when most newspapers aren’t even fit for lining birdcages, and have the dwindling circulation to prove it. People who WANT to be informed find ways to become so. The rest watch MSLSD, NBC, ABC, CNN, and CBS.

    Besides, lamenting Newsweak and trumpeting time is a little like being sad that you can’t have ground pepper in a shaker on the dinner table, but you do have a pepper mill that is full and waiting.

    Unless it is the loss of all those inspiring Obama covers that upsets you?

  126. .The Jimmy Savil scandal which mirrors the Penn State and Libya affairs in the sense that leaders betrayed people they were honor bound to protect is matastacising into something larger than the BBC. The new CEO of the New York Times is suspect, and Scotland yard is creating an “Arrest plan.” One can hope for a similar outcome for Obama and company.

    Jimmy Savil is still a shock to me. He hosted Top of the Pops.

  127. I agree BIC Look at a few European Flash mobs. Even people in countries like Llituania where half of rural families don’t have indoor plumbing seem to have cell phones and I pads to record the dances.
    Ukrainians often work multiple jobs and hide their incomes to afford such devices.

  128. James, at least we can take some small comfort that right now Jimmy is experiencing the Lords judgement and facing the consequences of his actions, and that no more children will be harmed.

  129. taking one sentence out of a paragraph, parsing what was said, and then claiming victory.

    LOL You know, this criticism is starting to bore me. What you call parsing is what I call reading, writing and speaking English. You boys think that words don’t matter and you throw them around quite carelessly. My friends, I have not even BEGUN to parse. Sh*t, if I really took apart the crap you boys write, word for word, I’d be here all day.

    If you don’t want the BS “parsed” out of your comments then stop putting BS in them.

  130. Rutherford,

    Let’s be honest. Anything outside the scope of the New York Times, MSNBC, anything supportive of Obama, and your own steadfast opinions is B.S..

    When you don’t even consider this scandal of Benghazi as a big deal or a cover up, or refuse to any of the charges leveled here, then Tigre and I have no room but to call you a hack and a liar. So do Rabbit, BIC, and Gorilla without saying as much. James and Noah, newer to the block, recognize this too. And Muffy occasionally has to call your bluff about your own standards of B.S..

    Do you think this is some Conservative cabal stacking up against you? Or could it be as easy as you’re lying to yourself.

    Whatever it is, it is perfectly obvious you are not a serious person, but a rank propagandist with selective memory and judgment.

    It’s a disappointment to those of us who have known you longest.

  131. I guess that was a bit of a contradiction – ignore the bullshit, and no bullshitters here.

    Ignore the CRAP. Still no bullshitters, though…

  132. “Did your son always have balls the size of cue balls?” to Charles Woods, grieving father of slain Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods, during a memorial service at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland. — Vice President Joe Biden

    Can you believe this crass buffoon is one heartbeat from the Presidency….

  133. Yes, Noah whatever it is Jimmy is probably feeling the wrath of God.

    Calvin, I agree with Pfessor.

    Bengazi is a huge deal in many ways. Not the least is how the men felt as the walls closed in and it seemed even God had deserted them. Like many people who depended on their leaders in the past, they waited for help which never came.

    That dishonor will eventually be punished if in no other way than future historians’ condemnation of those dispicable creatures. Historians won’t be kind to the misguided people who put them into office either.

    Joe Biden is Obama’s life insurance policy.

  134. Those two fallen navy seals went anyway. *silence*

    Rutherford tell gorilla we miss him, will ya.

    I’mma indulge myself in posting this video. Rutherford brought it up (a-gain). BIC nailed him dead to rights in his first paragraph @ #165.

    “He certainly seems to spend an inordinate amount of time railing against something he continually declares his certainty doesn’t exist.”

    Don’t he though?

    Plus I have to ignore all the self-indulgent videos not relevant to my interests, so sorry for sucking the bandwidth. Hopefully Rutherford will post again before we hit 600. It’s hard to believe this post is only 2 days old.

  135. In response to Poolman’s accusations and in the event you grab a set and return understanding insult will be traded for insult, you should know it is the consensus of most of the room that Poolman is mentally ill and without merit.

    This should give me all the credibility I need. Thank you, Tex. I feel validated.

  136. This QE shit is causing a spending frenzy among the wealthy pool buying folk. I can see clearly the rain has gone. I can see all obstacles in my way. Gone are the dark clouds that had me down. It’s gonna be a bright, bright, sunshiny day. 😉

  137. Those two fallen navy seals went anyway. *silence*

    And when this part of the story came out, Henry V’s St. Crispin’s Day speech came to mind.

    Long odds, small numbers, and no shortage of those without the courage to be there on the field of battle.

    I’ll give Biden a pass. He’s obviously suffering from a brain tumor…or three, but for the Campaigner-In-Chief, who placed a higher value on Americans who could write checks to his campaign than Americans in Harm’s Way, I hope he feels the conviction of these words:

    And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
    Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

    Who am I kidding? He has more ego than soul.

  138. Benghazi was a battle. A last stand at the Alamo.

    They watched it live and direct.

    And those rotten fucks sent Rice on a Sunday morning talk show pub crawl blowing smoke up everyone’s ass.

    Sickening.

    The worst part is that it apparently worked. Now, if you stand up for the fallen, you’re labeled as just another partisan hack causing mischief during election season.

    On a side note, someone please tell Biden he’s not one of the guys. It’s like he takes pointers from some blue collar manual or text book. Does the dumb fuck think he is a fellow SEAL? A brother? An old drinking buddy?

    He thinks he comes correct because he sees other guys sometimes talk that way at a memorial. He doesn’t get why some have the license to do so and why some do not.

    Something is so very, very off with that guy.

  139. I can’t account for the differing fates of Olbermann vs Beck. Unlike Olbermann, Beck had not burned so many bridges behind him. Make no mistake, regardless of spin, he got booted by Fox. Even Rupert recognized him as a liability and a nutjob. But he had the good sense to take advantage of any forum he could find … radio and Internet. I’d have to guess Keith was just too vain to abandon TV which he felt was sexier.

    Keith was never as loony as Glenn but definitely as obnoxious if not more so. Glenn had a way of ingratiating himself to the viewer. Keith didn’t. Maybe that also explains the different destinies of the two men.

  140. Rutherford is on to something. As crazy as Glenn Beck is, he sometimes reveals the truth. He predicted the OWS coordination with world leftists before it happened.He did not predict it would fizzle. He was also right about Obama’s socialist tendencies. He was one of the first to reveal the Bengazi crime while the administration’s cover story was still the movie.Beck forgets his wilder predictions which didn’t happen, but he reminds his listeners of when he was right.

    As you wrote, Beck had the “good sense to take advantage of any forum he could find.” when he ran out of options, he created his own media empire, and he took frequent road trips to organize and fire up his old and new supporters like an evangelico minister.

    If you listen to Beck, you have buried gold and silver in the back yard, and you have purchased enough food to last for years.You also know how to raise a garden and how to can food.

    Kieth mainly burned bridges.

  141. Congratulations to Poolman for making money again. I still don’t understand why the administration let the ambassador and others die. I still think Obama was too cowardly and weak to react, but in honor of PoolmanI am repeating a conspiracy theory I heard on the radio.

    We know some Syrian rebels are using American supplied arms because the Russians have located them. What if Stevenson was involved in a Fast and Furious like gun running operation? If he was marked for retribution by an enemy organization in Libya, he was set for an assasination.

    Or, Obama made a deal with Egypt to release the Blind Shiek and a kidnapping of Americans would be used as a pretext to make it happen with a hostage trade.

    I don’t believe those theories, but if anyone could put flesh on their bones, Poolman could.

  142. Years ago, I borrowed my parents car to take our son to an early class for talented and gifted students. My wife had our main car at school, and the other refused to start, so I borrowed my parents’ car.

    A heavy, wet snow storm was beginning, and the newscast showed a Denver woman so terrified she was frozen on a street and screaming as a car skidded, crept forward, and finally hit her. “That idiot!” I thought. “It would never happen to me!”

    It did within two hours after our car skidded off a hill road. A car stalled as it spun its wheels, and I ran out to give the driver a push. The car went on. A pickup sped uphill and the driver couldn’t see me until it was too late. My father yelled a warning to me, and I froze in disbelief as I saw the shape of a very big pick up through the falling snow..

    Then, I remembered the foolish woman, and I jumped. Everything was in slow motion, of course, but I was floating in the air near the right headlight when I began tumbling over and over for about two hundred feet. I landed in a snow filled road ditch.

    The driver and my father were afraid I was dead because it took a while for me to emerge from the road ditch. His pickup laid eight feet of rubber and he claimed to be driving at 35 MPH when he hit me. My failure to freeze kept me alive and I didn’t even visit a doctor, though considering the damage to my back, I should have.

    Obama collectively froze and people died as I would have died had I not taken appropriate action.

  143. Calvin, nope no bullshit here just bully-shitters. Think of it as being a new plebe and then consider if it’s worth the effort.

  144. Calvin

    Meet Raji. Your whining, female counterpart and not nearly as bright as she would like us to believe.

    Another one who comes in and insults from the beginning and likes to makes it personal third party, then can’t figure out why someone would break their foot off in her ass after being insulted, which is followed by whining incessantly about it for months third party. Gutless.

    Between the mentally ill and the predictably insipid Left here, it makes for a rather splintered but diverse room.

  145. Everybody keeps calling Glenn Beck crazy? Har har…

    What is happening now in Libya, Beck called months ago. FOX News which is starting to drift Left by hiring feckless shills like the insufferably stupid Juan Williams and the pathetic Geraldo Rivera, I predict will find its audience dwindling after the election in record numbers.

    They are making a horrid tactical business decision IMO.

    And I predict somebody will pick up the pieces and start their own network to compete directly against FOX News within the next 3-5 years, much like MSNBC did against CNN several years back.

    Then people like Rutherford will have two network stations to charge bias. 😉

  146. “LOL You know, this criticism is starting to bore me.”

    LOL You know, your inanity is starting to bore us.

    If you can’t address the point, don’t bother with the dissembling. Boooooring.

    It ain’t anyone’s writing or English MENSA, you struggle with concepts.

  147. Calvin

    Meet Tex whose in charge of the Welcome Wagon here. Good description of me, Tex. I couldn’t have said it any better. At least the shit I deal with is the real thing.

  148. I can’t account for the differing fates of Olbermann vs Beck.

    Of course you can’t.

    1. When Beck hit rock bottom, he actually recognized it, and approached redemption with a clear understanding of what it was and was NOT. For Bathub Boy, when he hit, it was STILL about everyone else. People, even those who might otherwise be inclined to like you, get tired of being the surrogate for everything that is wrong with your life.

    2. Beck actually tries to find answers, and spends a lot of time reading daily. Bathtub Boy counts on his prejudices and sarcasm to carry him through. That’s why Beck can actually talk about where we came from, and shed tears at the tragedy of a society that has allowed itself to be so dumbed down that it allows itself to be regularly distracted from the big picture or digging deeper by shiny and or specious arguments. Bathtub Boy was frequently spewing the speciousness, and passing judgment on others without ever having taken a serious survey of himself, and it showed whenever he spitting “FASCIST!!11!!!!” all over the camera man who drew the short straw that day.

  149. If the Tigers don’t turn it around I will be acting like this little St. Louis Cardinal fan. My favorite part: “The year is too long. Baseball season will be over!”.

  150. Yeah……it ain’t over yet though! Today is big. We need to not only win today, we need to mash. If we put up 8 or 9 runs, the mojo in this series is completely changed.

  151. Violent crime is up 18%, mostly black on black, since Obama became president. I’m so shocked it’s not remotely on the radar of the very party that claims to stand for the urban black. So mystified that it never became a blogging topic here at the MSNBC Lawson Blog. Just shocked…..

    Welfare up? Violent crime up? Correlation? We will never know. It’s forbidden territory for all liberals to ponder.

    Nothing is more meaningless to a liberal then a dead nigga laying in a back alley of a progressive urban reservation. It’s like a dead earwig in the garage to them.

    The disease of total dependence. Meanwhile, American food stamp advertisements run in Mexico to ensure more Hispanic families replace Dad with the state as soon as they get here. After all, Mexicans are a threatening horde to liberals. Proud. Family orientated. God fearing. Scrappy. Self sufficient. Yet poor. They must be broken and their votes harvested. Destroy them, liberals. Crush their spirit and cultural souls.

    It’s mind boggling to me the damage liberals do people. Home wreckers like Thor and Rutherford….oblivious. You people are cancer.

  152. Good description of me, Tex. I couldn’t have said it any better.

    Good. I’m glad we agree Yappy. Too bad you can’t lift the leg to pee higher up the tree. 😈

    But have I ever told you here that you weren’t welcome, no matter how insipid? {shrill ruff ruff} I almost begged Calvin to stick around. I wanted to break my other foot off in his lame ass.

  153. Tell you what, let’s skip the Muslim bashing and go right to the Joos this time. Islam has had enough religious intolerance to deal with lately, what with that video and all.

    Plus what’s with the lying Mormons and Catholics? They’re not supposed to lie like the rest of us. You can’t sin and be religious at the same time. You should lose your membership. And anyone that makes an exception for chocolate is a hypocrite. Total gateway to cola.

  154. And can we please remember the protocol? If you actually know something about what you’re bashing then keep your trap shut.

  155. If this is true, a pretty good indicator of the “immense” respect Obama carries within the entire military structure. It would be interesting to get The Gorilla’s take, because I have never heard of a military operation with special forces where the combatants were purposely left.

    http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx

    And if it is true, then Hillary Rotten Clinton and Leon Panetta need to be immediately removed, and Obama needs to be impeached immediately after the election in a special session of Congress.

    And no Raji, I’m not kidding as this qualifies as “real shit.”

  156. Mr. Obama is not the only one with egg on his face after four years.

    Buwahahahahahahaha

    “Mr. Obama’s temperament is unlike anything we’ve seen on the national stage in many years. He is deliberate but not indecisive; eloquent but a master of substance and detail; preternaturally confident but eager to hear opposing points of view. He has inspired millions of voters of diverse ages and races, no small thing in our often divided and cynical country. We think he is the right man for a perilous moment.”–“Barack Obama for President,” editorial, Washington Post, Oct. 17, 2008

    “Mr. Obama alienated Congress and business leaders by isolating himself inside a tight White House circle that manages to be both arrogant and thin-skinned. Too often his administration treats business as an obstacle rather than a partner.”–“Four More Years for President Obama,” editorial, Washington Post, Oct. 26, 2012

    Fools…

  157. Nothing is more meaningless to a liberal then a dead nigga laying in a back alley of a progressive urban reservation. It’s like a dead earwig in the garage to them.
    That wins most powerful comment segment of the day award in my book.

  158. Radio station KFAB asked several questions. “Will Romney be able to capitalize on his killing Osama bin ladin? Who has the better chance of wining the election–John McCain or Sarah Palin? Who would make the better first lady, Obama’s wife Ann Romney or Romney’s wife Michele Obama?

    Will Ann Romney’s being Ann Coulter’s sister hurt her husband Barark’s chances in the election? Will Romney’s being black help or hurt him in the election?” While the comment Alfie posted is powerful, the answers to these questions was even more powerful because they were so frightening.

  159. Well, I think I have finally found the perfect description of Barack Hussein Obama, in a Wall Street Journal report on Bob Woodward’s latest book:

    “The portrait it contains of Mr. Obama—(is one) of a president who is at once over his head, out of his depth and wholly unaware of the fact.”
    .
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    And then a description of the first Presidential debate:

    “That, anyway, is the view expressed this week by a member of the U.S. Senate who served there with Mr Obama and has met with him in the White House. People back home, he said, sometimes wonder what happened with the president in the debate. The senator said, I paraphrase: I sort of have to tell them that it wasn’t a miscalculation or a weird moment. I tell them: I know him, and that was him. That guy on the stage, that’s the real Obama.”

  160. I can see you guys are still burying your heads in the sand. Silver might have done poorly in the mid-terms, but in 2008 he called 49 out of 50 states correctly. His electoral college calculus seems to be pretty good. Betting houses are averaging O’s chances around 65-35.

    Going to see Loretta Lynn tonight.

  161. “But have I ever told you here that you weren’t welcome, no matter how insipid”

    Of course not, in your mind the more the merrier. You must get tired of only Rutherford bashing after awhile.
    Never did get that concept of marking your territory. Must be a guy thing.

  162. Tigre, in response to your latest email (calling me an a$$hole) …. I get over 100 comments a day. Even if you had posted “many” Mead links unless it was within the past week, I probably wouldn’t remember it. I DO remember that Alfie mentioned Mead to me with respect to Hamiltonian vs Jacksonian vs Wilsonian foreign policy and quite honestly that was the first I remember even hearing of him. If you’ve tried in the past to educated me on Mead unsuccessfully, my apologies.

  163. Ragi, they had a reporter asking people on the street or at an entertainment function. I don’t know for certain because I missed the first of the skit.. They edited the interviews into a short collage for their show. The hosts are two Omaha brothers who have a political satire show.

    Last week, they asked the audience to name a movie that best fit Obama, but they called the police because of the death threats. Today people called in with songs which best describe Romney. One was “Who Are You?”

    The Bob Kerry-Deb Fisher parallels Obama-Romney. Like Obama, Kerry is making personal attacks instead of presenting more than general plans for what he would do. For weeks, he has been attacking Fisher over a lawsuit between Fisher’s and a neighboring ranch.

    The two brothers satirized the dispute and one claimed Fisher was staking a claim to his yard. A minister condemned the brother in a sermon.

  164. thor, I’m not burying my head in the sand. I “don’t need no stinking” polls. I’m relying on a hunch.

    I like Loretta Lynn. Have fun.

  165. Loretta Lynn=YAaawwwwnnnn
    As for polls etc. Polls give Romney a win. State polls are all over the map. Obama is only really kicking ass on stuff that has failed recently ie Nate the not so great Silver 538 and Intrade.
    Lets hope for a quick two weeks,and on Nov 7th we’ll see what and who stays around.

  166. Michael Barone, who I consider the best in the business, said he thought Romney would win last night. I was feeling pretty good after that…

    Thor, I could have picked 49 of the 50 states in 2008. 😆 Does that give you some confidence too?

    But you got to have some fudge with the cheating, the ballot stuffing, the ACORNs, the resurrected, the double counting, and the new black panther.

    In a fair vote, Obama probably loses 5-7%. We’ve already uncovered massive voter fraud so Romney could have won big.

  167. I can’t speak for the others, but I’m not confident at all. Hell, like Romney said, with 47% on the dole (that doesn’t even count people like me who are hired by Nanny), I don’t know how a Dem could ever lose a presidential election anymore. The most glaring down side to Democracy might very well be manifesting itself in front of our eyes. Buy the mob with money stolen from the next generation. Go get um’ Thor!

  168. You must get tired of only Rutherford bashing after awhile.

    True. But I still consider Rutherford a friend of sorts and have a measure of respect. With him, it’s nothing personal – I just think he’s an unteachable, pagan knucklehead, and he thinks I’m a knuckle dragging neanderthal.

    I’m not marking my territory with you. I wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. 😉

  169. “If you’ve tried in the past to educated me on Mead unsuccessfully, my apologies.”

    I surely have. In fact, I first suggested you (and Rabbit) read Special Providence when I first started commenting here, and have provided “many” links since with discussion surrounding. Since he’s a critic of Gore and his fake religion of global warming, I offered much of it when and G-chin ignorantly claimed it settled science.

    But so there’s no mistake, I calls ’em likes I sees ’em. It’s not that you’ve lost track of prior comments and posts. It’s that your style of debate, at least with me, is childish and offensive. You can take the tenor and content of your recent responses and stick them up your ass.

    I hope that’s plain enough.

  170. I bought Special Providence upon your suggestion. And….pathetically…..never read it. If it makes you feel better a student of mine did! I used to teach an AP class and they would devour my personal library. Now they give me all the numskulls……I’m a failing teacher again.

  171. I’ve read one book in the last year. It was a book on modern Egyptian history. That’s it. Sad. I fall asleep in 3 minutes of reading a book. Which brings me to my next point. I’m supposed to be in a sleep study at U of M ( possible Apnea) Sunday night. But there is a World Series game! I’m going to be screaming my head off like a mad man in that place. I heard there are television sets in the rooms. I’m not sleeping for shit.

    I also keep thinking of a scenario where 3 hot nurses triple team me. I’m a sick man.

  172. That fucking highway shooter struck again today. Shot a dude in the ass. I heard he attempted to refuse medical attention because he had World Series tickets. Dude has shot 22 cars now.

  173. “I’m not marking my territory with you. I wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.”

    Nor me you. We would just let the fires consume.

    Enough fun and games. It’s time to welcome Sandy to the Eastern shore.

  174. Well it wouldn’t be a problem if Romney and Ryan hadn’t mentioned it. 🙄

    “And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we’ve lost four of our own, governor, is offensive.”

    — Oblamo, second debate

  175. Newt, if my gall bladder can predict elections I have a deal for you. I will sell you my gall stone as a pair of ear rings. When you wear them, they will send secret messages so you too can make political prognostications.

  176. Rabbit apnea is a wild thing. You can stop breathing as much as 100 times in a night. Do you wake up tired in the morning?

    They’ll probably set you up with a C-PAP, BI-PAP or A-PAP. Before I got trached I used a bi-pap. My wife currently uses an A-pap. In fact if you peeked in on me and my wife at night you’d think you had stumbled into a hospital ward. She has her mask on and I have my ventilator attached to my neck. Beats dyin’.

    One word of caution. If you’re claustrophobic, be patient with the machine. You may get a slight panic attack at first. It just comes from not being used to the mask.

  177. Man R, I’m exhausted. I sometimes wake up gasping for breath. This is usually triggered by REM sleep and accompanied by sleep paralysis. I don’t know if I stop breathing other times.

    If I have to get a mask I am going to go with this look. A life style, really.

  178. Rabbit, my little Brother. I would miss you too much not to tell you this.

    Big old barrel chested guys like you are susceptible. Do me a favor, don’t worry yourself, and get a doctor to assign you a Holter monitor for 24 hours to check your heart.

  179. I am on a Bi-Pap machine and it was the best thing in the world . I have some bad claustrophobic problems and I didn’t have any issues. Use purified water to clean it and everything lasts longer. I hadn’t slept for 6 hours straight in over 5 years. Now several times a week I can sleep almost 8 hours straight. Worth every penny.

  180. Tex….I don’t even know what one of those machines are but consider it done.

    As Gorilla can attest, us squids get over the claustrophobia thing pretty quick when it comes to a mask.

    If I get a mask, do I rock the wife with the mask or without? I’m thinking with. She’s going to find it so hot.

  181. Yes, Rutherford, Bob Kerry is a genuine war hero. Kerry was a Navy Seal, and he won a medal of honor. He also lost a leg. Kerry later built a chain of restaurants in Nebraska, and he is popular here. He is a good man.

    His problem is that he has been gone from Nebraska for ten years, and president of a liberal university in New York. He seemed to be happy in New York with his new wife and child (ren?

    The chair of an ag promotion organization announced he was running for the Senate. Bob Kerry returned to Nebraska and offered his support, so the man resigned as a member of the University of Nebraska Board of Regents.Then, Kerry announced he was running and left the first would be candidate hanging the wind.

    The rumor was that he made a deal with Harry Reid, because Ben Nelson of Nebraska Kickback fame was forced to retire, and the Democratic leadership; thought Kerry would be more successful than an unknown.

    They didn’t consider Deb Fisher. She is a Cherry County rancher with twenty years experience in the state legislature, but no one gave her a chance. That woman is as tough as nails. A local talk show host asked her if she planned to retain her legislative seat if she lost. He said she gave him a look which made him melt into the floor. She asked for and received support from Sarah Palin and also the Tea Party.

    The Fisher camp threw mud first, by calling Kerry a carpet bagger. His wife wrote an article for Harpers? in which she said she was uncertain about Nebraska culture. I believe she cast aspirsions on Nebraska’s worship of Big Red, a sacrelidge Kerry was unaccustomed to being as much as 20 points behind in the polls He also didn’t realize the level of fury directed at Ben Nelson, another good man, over Obama care.

    Kerry has little except to say he will be someone who occupies space between Republicans and Democrats and will find common ground to end gridlock. He has also been unchararctureistically negative over the law suit and by calling Fisher and her husband welfare ranchers because they legally get a grazing discount on government land. Fisher is unwittingly drawing attention to the negatives by dlscussing the attacks in her own ads. The margin is tightening, but Fisher is still ahead.

    I’ve met Bob Kerry. If he needed it, which he doesn’t, I would loan him money. I would let him sleep; on my couch and feel honored. But this time, I would not vote for him.because he would be another vote for Obama’s agenda. I live three miles from Nebraska, so the question is moot.

    Sorry for the length, but the story is complicated, and it will teach you a little of rural midwestern culture and politics.

  182. I feel bad for you rabbit. I hope you find some relief. My mother had sleep apnea, but it was never treated.You are too good to have to fight sleep deprivation.

    You too Rutherford and Noah.

  183. Feel bad for me over what these Giants have done. I thought everyone felt exhausted. I don’t really know what it feels like not to.

  184. Rabbit, its electrodes hooked to your chest with a small device to monitor your heart rhythm that would probably be attached to your belt – just to rule out you don’t have arrhythmia.

    No mask – no claustrophobia – a breeze with the only real inconvenience getting it installed, shaving that massive, hairy Pollock chest to attach the electrodes. 😀

    They won’t even have to drill holes in your chest. Only people like Rutherford get the drill, with me as assistant. 😈

  185. Boy Rabbit. In between watching small game Bob Stoops once again get outclassed in the art of coaching, my wife and I watched the baseball game.

    Detroit picked a heck of time to have the bats go cold. Sorry about that buddy. This was one year I was truly rooting for the American league.

    Reminds me of the Texas Rangers melt down a few years back.

  186. No mask – no claustrophobia – a breeze with the only real inconvenience getting it installed, shaving that massive, hairy Pollock chest to attach the electrodes. 😀

    Maybe Tex and I are talking about two different things. In a sleep study, they’ll monitor your vitals but most importantly monitor your breathing … the whole point of figuring out if you have apnea. Once they determine that you do have it, they’ll rate it … mild, moderate, severe, whatever. If it merits it, then they will fit you with some apparatus to force air into your lungs. It will either be what are called “nose pillows”, that gently rest against the nostrils, or it can be a mask that covers either just the nose or the nose and the mouth. In all likelihood you will not need supplementary oxygen like I did. My wife does not need supplementary oxygen.

    I think Tex is talking strictly about monitoring your heart, and no .. a mask wouldn’t be needed for that.

    My wife and I are both claustrophobic. Back when I used the bipap, I had no problem with it. I had a nose mask … which was funny because whenever I opened my mouth, air would rush out of it. But I was not a mouth breather (at least not at night) so it wasn’t a problem.

    With my wife, it was different. When they fitted her with the mask in the sleep lab she had a panic attack and could not get to sleep. They finally fit her with a mask that combines nose pillows with a mouth mask and that has worked better for her. She always associated the panic attack to a claustrophobic feeling but maybe it was just the fear of the air rushing into her nose, which takes a bit of getting used to.

    Anyway … when all is said and done, and you’ve adjusted to it, you’ll feel like a million dollars. My breathing was so shallow back in the day that I’d wake up with a headache. With the bipap, no headache at all.

  187. Doin’ a little random reading this morning, and I see that the failures of the socialist model have been known for a long time:

    “The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal.” – Aristotle

  188. Wow just out today, Obama was watching the video feeds live in Benghazi…interesting the silence from the left both on and off this blog. .

  189. Breaking news: Newly released surveillance videos clearly identify Barack Obama setting fire to the Benghazi consulate screaming “alahu ahkbar”. Donald Trump’s investigators are checking the veracity of the video.

    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!

  190. Considering the incident, where our Ambassador died, and our soldiers doing their duty defending him, I find your attempt at humor distasteful Rutherford.

  191. actually, Rutherford–it’s very funny. You obviously are not making a joke about the deaths but about how dumb certain people behave. I don’t share your politics but I also have no question about your good faith.

  192. Emily – I don’t question his good faith either. Good sense? Maybe…

    I am actually baffled by Rutherford’s take on life – and I’m sure he on mine, too – and I wonder what kind of life experiences led to his type of psyche. I’m not trying to be mean or snarky about it; I just wonder how two people can grow up in the same country and be so far apart on things.

  193. Pfesser–that is a very interesting question. And it’s that sort of interest in other people that is a really nice quality of yours. People are complicated, and the products of their upbringing and experiences. Superficial generalizations are pretty meaningless.

  194. Hopefully this blog will not survive long term because history will show you to be a fool. A melodramatic and opportunistic one at that.

    What’s the matter, R? The Pharmacist tell you he couldn’t fill your script for Butthurtinol™ because of the unusually high demand among the Obama faithful?

    Seriously…7 years and counting, and the only foolishness I’ve seen is what tumbles from Biden’s lips in between peals of completely innappropriate laughter. Well, that and this administration’s Double A foreign policy (Apologize and Abdicate).

  195. I disagree. This is a national tragedy that our Diplomat and our troops were left to die while our President and his administration watched. It is clear that they knew what was going on while the attack was going on. It is clear they lied to us. It is clear they abandoned these people. It is clear they have circled the wagons and are withholding information, the silence is defining. These people swore an oath, and upheld their oath, at the cost of their jobs for some, and their life for others. Nothing in any of this has any room for humor, none of this is funny.

  196. blah, blah, blah. Just your normal search for something to attack Rutherford on. He in no way, shape, or form treated the deaths of these people as humorous. In fact, it’s unlikely that anyone, anywhere, has done that. Must be tough to go through life like you do, Noah. Histrionics, generalizations, looking for things to criticize in others while ignoring your own conduct.

  197. Some things transcend politics. This is one of those things. Agree to disagree. Nothing in that was funny or appropriate. I am quite comfortable with my morality, thanks for taking the time to question it yet again.

  198. Your “morality” is non-existent. It’s just an excuse for you to feel superior at the expense of other people. Nothing at all in Rutherford’s response suggested that the murders were humorous. Instead, he was laughing at your ridiculous and self-important hysteria. Now THAT is funny.

  199. I appreciate your good faith too, Rutherford, and it is nice you are finally beginning to come in from the cold

    “..Impeach Obama Now!” What turned you? Was it that fifty dollars I sent you?

    Or was it this? Obama said he gave orders to let the people on the ground get what they needed. And yet, no order was given. Very curious, don’t you think? Two possibilities emerge. Either the White House is so poorly managed that even the President’s orders are not distributed during a dire emergency, or Obama never gave the order. I hope the news and not the money convinced you.

    Bob Kerry is now within three points of Deb Fisher.

  200. Hardly. If he isn’t even curious about the lies, about the lack of any serious answers, or even the lack of courage to even face the press since the 10th, and if he can not be the slightest bit concerned about the President knowing (or should have been knowing) about this, and LETTING them die, while he went back to sleep, then flew of to the pressing business of fundraising in Vegas, but finds it humorous when others can smell the stink of something not being at all correct wafting off of this like rotten egg in the noon day sun in Phoenix, and an administration that is unwilling to even use its now considerably damaged credibility to address it, I do question his motives, and I do see it as something to attack Rutherford on.

    I don’t know if you were around a few years back, Emily, but Rutherford’s gift of perspective….well, let’s just say it leaves a lot to be desired. That is in part very much his own fault, as he thinks nothing of pontificating on politics and policy without practical experience in either, or even a decent knowledge base from which to start, and it is the latter where he is the most hindered, both by an inability to see the whole picture, and by a belief that everything is fluid and relative.

    There was a time when he could be counted on to make a cogent case for the positions he staked out. It didn’t make him anymore correct than he is now, but there was still something in him that would acknowledge it when his errors could no longer be ignored. Sadly, I think the fact that he so wedded himself to the glittering mirage of hope and change that realtity has made him as bitter and mistaken as Keith Olbermann, desperately striking out at others in the vain hope that he won’t be left alone to face the person that the emptiness he embraces has made.

  201. Hi, BIW: I have not been here that long. Lurked for a while before commenting. And I disagree with Rutherford on pretty much everything–that doesn’t make me feel that he’s not a well-intentioned person.

  202. Emily, your wrong on this one. Rutherford, due to a life that I suspect is sheltered on a level most of us can’t conceive of, really does have no perspective. He just doesn’t get stuff. When I say MSNBC drives him, I don’t even mean politically. It literally IS his stained glass window to the world.

    Rutherford truly believes those upset over both the incident and the snow job after are just being nit picky. He believes this because he is incapable of grasping when something is serious and when something is not.

    We all get partisan when it comes to trivial bull shit. The difference is Rutherford is incapable of discerning what is trivial.

    I actually suspect it’s not his fault. Handicapped and protected his entire life, he never really had to pioneer his own way like most young men do. Don’t get me wrong. It doesn’t mean he’s not a hard worker. I’m sure he was a true asset to corporate America. It’s just that his bubble insulated him so much that he just can’t gage a can of fucked up when it’s sitting on the table right in front of him. This is a guy who didn’t know that sports riots are usually in the winning city. I know that’s an odd thing to conclude with, but think about it for a moment……

  203. This video speaks volumes about what is wrong with politics today. Almost every person in this video is now a Romney fan. When hypocrisy is a necessary ingredient of politics, something is very very wrong.

  204. Well, I may be naive–and you guys obviously think I am. But I think that it says alot that Rutherford keeps this blog open and allows all of you to say whatever you want, even when it would be easier not to. Even after Noah (who I do not believe is the same sort of decent person that I think you guys are) was inexcusable, Rutherford just stopped dealing with him–he didn’t block him from being here. And in return, Noah kept coming on here and trying to insult and bait him. I call that being a jerk.

    I don’t know what motivates Rutherford, but I do think there’s a basic kindness and willingness to entertain others’ points of view and respect them. So that’s why I say what I say.

  205. Rutherford truly believes those upset over both the incident and the snow job after are just being nit picky. He believes this because he is incapable of grasping when something is serious and when something is not.

    Total nonsense. You think I believe that a dead ambassador is trivial?

    I think YOU’RE trivial. You and everyone else on here so eager to rush to judgment. As I wrote over at BiW’s place, the two people on this board with ZERO excuse to be mouthing off are BiW and Tigre. They live in a world that lives and dies on a fair hearing. They .. and you .. lectured me up and down about George Zimmerman. How I was jumping to conclusions, etc etc.

    A dead Ambassador is deadly serious and you disgrace the man’s memory when you lead up a politically motivated witch hunt, timed perfectly to coincide with the election. There have been congressional hearings. Let them continue at a sensible pace and then take action on the results. Until then reserve judgment. But of course doing that would interfere with your Obama bashing. We couldn’t let that happen now could we?

    As for your psychobabble about the sheltered handicapped guy, I’m quite sure there were folks stationed in Iceland (it was Iceland right?) with you whose politics match mine. Maybe not many, but at least one or two. I am sure there are folks you play softball with, with politics close to mine. Being worldly (or athletic) may add depth to one’s perspective but it doesn’t necessarily change one’s basic philosophy. My political philosophy was in place long before MSNBC was a thought in anyone’s head. If I’m guilty of anything, I am guilty of confirmation bias … like everyone else here … we gravitate to the stories that confirm our predisposition.

    And quite honestly, I am better traveled than probably most of the folks on this board … both throughout the United States and Europe. The trouble is 90% of it was when I was a kid and could not form any political perspective from those travels. But as “handicapped folks” go, I am far less sheltered than most of the disabled or able bodied for that matter.

  206. Unless you are a devout Bush fan, this ad is quite effective. Of course it is effective only to the extent that you believe Al Gore would not have gotten us into Iraq.

  207. Political events with protected info are not the same as a litigated issue in court (with equal access to info). This is a political process concerning national security and policy. I know what Obama said in the Rose Garden, I know what he said at the debate, and I know what his proxies said on the media circuit, verbatim. To say it’s not worthy of concern until after the election and some process which could be avoided in its entirety if the president wasn’t playing games like he and Biden did at the debates is ludicrous. We’re 45 days out from the event. Obama knows what he did or didn’t do.

    Rabbit, totally OT.

    I got asked by a friend to co me jam at his studio, something I haven’t done in years. He’s a session guy and told me to bring beverage and self like “Darryl’s House.” I had to look it up since I didn’t get the reference.

    I now got it. He was referring to an Internet series called Live at Daryl’s’ House (as in Daryl Hall). From what you post, I know you trend towards a lot of modal (pentatonic) stuff. I think you (and probably Gorilla) would like some but not all of it. Some of it’s pretty soulful and I saw old T-bone Wolk (consummate session player) RIP. Two I liked were Cab Driver and Hall with Chromeo doing “no can do.” Give it a listen.

  208. Could either PF or Tex help me with the biology of this quote from Ron Paul:

    “If it’s an honest rape, that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” — Ron Paul February 3, 2012.

    I’m not even getting into the whole “honest rape” quicksand. I’m more curious about the estrogen comment. Are estrogen shots used to prompt spontaneous abortion?

  209. A dead Ambassador is deadly serious and you disgrace the man’s memory when you lead up a politically motivated witch hunt, timed perfectly to coincide with the election. There have been congressional hearings. Let them continue at a sensible pace and then take action on the results.

    First off, it happened when it happened, this wasn’t an October surprise, no one designed it to be this way. No one made Obama lie. No one made Obama’s story fall apart. He did this himself. He chose to be dishonest with us. He choose to abandon our Diplomat and our military personnel.

    As for waiting for it to get done at a sensible pace? It will get handled at just the same pace as Fast and Furious. ie buried and forgotten. If our President betrayed us again as he did with with Russian President, then we need to know before this man gets reelected. The only thing worse than Obama winning, is Obama winning and being Impeached and Joe, I can’t string two sentences together without offending someone, Biden becoming the next CoC.

  210. Wow, what a nice multicolored attempt at distraction from real topics at hand. “Hey look everyone at the pretty colors” …”These are not the political issues you are looking for” (waves hand)

  211. I was debating jumping in2thefray at hand here regards Rutherford & Libya. At one point I even started a comment that was going to call for a little less dog-piling on our host. I decided not to and then BAM! Rutherford says this:

    A dead Ambassador is deadly serious and you disgrace the man’s memory when you lead up a politically motivated witch hunt, timed perfectly to coincide with the election. There have been congressional hearings. Let them continue at a sensible pace and then take action on the results. Until then reserve judgment. But of course doing that would interfere with your Obama bashing. We couldn’t let that happen now could we?

    First off any Congressional hearings on this matter have been deferred to the post election time frame,there have not been hearings on this. A lot of chatter and gamesmanship but other than “Call Me Senator I earned it” Douchebag Feinstein (D CA) having been given documents there is no official investigations under way.
    There is clearly a lot of scrubbing,shredding and deflection afoot and on a non partisan level,a purely citizen level, we should all be disgusted by this.
    No Rutherford, this is some of the fairest game/red meat on the market and it should be totally ripped apart and consumed by We the People. This is a teachable moment for America and Americans and it should damn Barack Obama to the bin of history as a one term POTUS.
    That anyone thinks this whole debacle is purely based in the events of 9/11/12 is guilty of an inanity that highlights how unthinking too many of us are.
    This is the cherry on the shit sundae that started when Obama foolishly engaged in the Libyan Civil War.A war Obama illegally engaged in.
    A war fueled by European economic needs and a fistful of fantasies,anything & everything but US interests, especially not the lame “Ghadaffi was a criminal” shit floated out during the POTUS campaign of late.
    A conflict that as it wound down in apparent victory for the “good guys” showed to those who would look the truth. Does anyone remember how the transitional government had to apologize to the British and German governments over desecrated war graves in…….wait for it……Benghazi?
    Americans are woefully unaware perhaps that on Sept 14th the German Embassy in Sudan was attacked.
    Lest we forget the accounts of how Libyan Islamists moved into Mali and are now engaged in organized unrest and that the US and France are engaging them.
    Americans are expected to believe and obey that the world is safer and that Libya was right thing right time stuff. It ain’t true and Camp Lemonnier speaks volumes to this.
    In closing Rutherford Obama deserves the public spanking he is getting and he damn well should be taking more than a few whacks from those that voted and adored him circa 2008 over the end war,close Gitmo bullshit.
    Let me tell you something very specific to you. President Obama has put the USA on a path of conflict deeper and more dangerous than the folly of Bush II into Iraq. He has nurtured and bolstered a thing that he is obviously incapable of controlling and that the USA is unlikely to be able to handle.

  212. Holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rutherford you should really cite the source of your color coded rape chart otherwise you own it totally and deserve the shit storm a-comin’ that’ll make Sandy look like a calm breeze.
    Dude you really want to own the arrogance that is on display in the yellow,blue,green,and teal ones?
    Those four represent not how fucked up Republicans are….that is testimony to how dishonest and retarded the dems are.

  213. Alfie I sourced it from another liberal’s blog and I don’t know where he got it from. http://mentaldumpingground.com/2012/10/26/republican-party-rape-advisory-chart/

    But I am curious where you have a problem. Are the quotes inaccurate? I basically posted the infographic simply to explain to PF and Tex where I got my question about Ron Paul (see comment 275).

    You know full well that the theme of the infographic is that rape is rape and that we have a slew of Republicans trying to make some point about women who lie about being raped. It’s no way to get the woman’s vote. Or do you disagree?

  214. Alfie, I think Rutherford’s rape chart is a perfect characterization of the Dimocratic Party and its core nature. Basically, the Dimocratic Party is soulless, empty, immoral, and vile. It is pure evil in its lust for power, with its only real principle winning at politic – the well being of the citizenry of serfs unimportant with only the intelligentsia of liberal elite necessary. Retaining power is more important then human life.

    Do you really think men like Rutherford care about dead Americans in Libya? They didn’t care about dead Americans in Iraq, and many like Ted Turner actively rooted for it as evidenced this week.

    Our blog host just scolded Republicans for politicizing the death of four U.S. citizens, a comment or two above, then turns around to politicize and trivialize the issue of rape. Sadly, the disconnect light bulb never came on, and the magnitude of personal hypocrisy doesn’t either.

    The only fair charge Rutherford could make in analogy would be if would be to claim all Republicans, the whole party, ignored the issue of rape in its entirety. Because that is exactly what the Dimocratic Party is doing with respect to Benghazi.

    Benghazi is the worst event that I have ever witnessed a President personally execute in my lifetime. Obama and his immediate staff are directly responsible for the death of four Americans. That’s right, Obama put his own failed narrative of Al Qaeda being on the run above the lives of four Americans, hoping to hide that fact until after the election to postpone the magnitude of his foreign policy failure.

    Rutherford simply wants to push the issue being addressed until after the election, knowing without super majorities in both the House and Senate, Obama could do anything and never be impeached.

    You tell me. Is that not the only conclusion at hand? If Rutherford had any real scruples, he would be outraged at what has just transpired in Libya.

  215. Rutherford: I don’t wish to be unpleasant but I really don’t like the rape chart. Rape is a tragedy, I believe abortion under any circumstances is a tragedy. Just my opinion.

  216. Tex I looked at your Gallup poll on who trusts the media and I think the cause is pretty intuitive. Dem’s who watch MSNBC find that it more closely follows the “official” story of CBS, NBC and ABC while folks who watch (and believe) Fox News find it contradicts much of what is found on the major three networks. So naturally, conservatives will trust the big three less.

    I say the Gallup poll is influenced by confirmation bias, as I wrote about a few comments ago.

  217. Are estrogen shots used to prompt spontaneous abortion?

    I’m no endocrinologist, but I assume Paul was using estrogen as a generic descriptor of progesterone – an emergency use to prevent ovulation…

  218. For the rest of the gang here, without divulging anything, Tigre did indeed prove to me via e-mail that my characterization of him was totally wrong.

    Which means I must search for some other reason why he is such an apologist for big business. 😐

  219. It’s no way to get the woman’s vote.

    Of course not. Not like showing how much you value them as persons when you admonish them to “Vote like their lady parts depend on it” and hype inane videos equating voting for the Lightbringer with losing your virginity.

    Keep courting the vagina vote. Because its obvious you respect them. Unless they actually want to vote Dem. In which case, you respect them so much that you and your fellow travellers start facebook pages like “Ann Romney is a Nazi Cunt” and print “Sarah Palin is a Cunt” t-shirts and giggle at being less brilliant than a 3rd grader.

    The question is a trap, and it is startling to me how many Republican candidates still fall into it. That said, when the response is to boil women down to votes based on anatomy, it’s impossible to take the Dems seriously at all.

  220. “I just wonder how two people can grow up in the same country and be so far apart on things.”

    PF I might agree if the country was Lichtenstein but c’mon man this is the vast US of A.

    I think a more valid puzzle would be that folks would expect you, having grown up with the poor to have my world view and me, growing up with the upper middle class to have your world view.

  221. I sort of agree with Emily about you, Rutherford and I don’t like piling on the owner of his own blog. We are guests on his site and should behave accordingly.

    But my god, Rutherford, on this, you occupy the dark side. Most liberals are As evil or at least amoral as Tex describes them, and they have little regard for others unless they are useful.

    Like most liberals, you tried to change the subject when others were getting the better of the argument. You used rape as a diversion while seemingly unaware of the irony. Democrats, not Republicans, have been objectifying women lately.

    Most liberals don’t really care about the little bump; in the road which is four dead bodies. Brit Hume asked on Fox News Sunday why Fox, talk shows, and bloggers besides a few mainstream reporters were the only people pursuing the story.

    The media and Obama supporters are asking us to elect a president when he may be responsible for a major disaster, and this neglects Fast and Furious which caused many more deaths. They want us to avoid the subject until after the election. They would deliver an even more serious delayed problem because the nation would either be preoccupied with Libya at the expense of the economy etc or charges would be hidden until the dysfunction would rise again with more deaths.They don’t care. Electing their people is more important than outmoded concepts like honor and truth.

    In simple terms,”These patriots asked for help and were refused by the president because he didn’t want anyone to embarrass him. It is damn shameful. Resign Mr.President. Resign today.”

    As Brit Hume observed.had Obama been a Republican the press would be hounding him and his administration.

    Four men died. but an unknown number of Libyans are at risk because they administration left sensitive documents lying around.Our racist government doesn’t care any more than it worries about the Pakistani doctor who helped us get Osama.

  222. @ Rutherford …Yeah I think we disagree. First off I find the chart has little to do with showcasing the (R) quotes in any manner other than dishonestly.
    Take RP’s quote (yellow one). It clearly speaks to emergency contraception in the case of rape. It speaks to addressing rape as opposed to an “Oops I had consensual sex and should probably do something about it so I’m at the ER”. I don’t mean to demean rape in any way shape or form but having been a 911 paramedic who dealt with a number of what we termed “trauma X” cases the medico-legal nature of rape speaks to me.
    Blue one,McMahon quote which appears improperly formatted. Sorry but as traumatic as rape is emergent contraception in a Catholic Hospital is a legit issue. I for one think they should offer it but on the other hand if they can maintain a consistent and professional and of course caring protocol that gets victims the total care and hopefully cooperation with law enforcement outside of their facility that’s good too. Not for nothing but I’ve seen a number of Catholic facilities do serious soul searching on the other end of the spectrum. Patients that are DNR…wow theres a sticky one. I remember facilities that totally honored DNR. We even serviced a nursing home we all called “God’s waiting room” because they were BIG on honoring DNR’s. On the other end I’ve watched teams take over resuscitation efforts with great zeal and without regard of the patients piety,politics or poverty.
    Teal one…easy rape. Dramatically out of context. I’ll give it to you that even in context it is a questionable share of info but one of my big problems in the legal realm is how bad the date rape,sex regret spite thing blurs. It cheapens and endangers the lives of true victims.
    Last one,green. That dog don’t bark baby. That legislation was clearly aimed at preserving the rights of rape victims no matter how folks spin it

  223. “From ABC News:

    ‘Spokesmen for the White House and for the Obama campaign say campaigning is appropriate despite the approaching storm, but they said his roles as president and as commander in chief come first. President Obama has instructed federal emergency planners to offer assistance to states and local governments, but the White House emphasizes that during natural disasters, all decisions about preparedness and evacuations are made by local officials, not by the federal government.'”

    Katrina could not be reached for comment. Because, racism.

  224. 285 was perfectly stated. Well said.

    294
    Tigre, as you well know, Rutherford comes to his conclusions, then looks for facts to support those conclusions. He isn’t interested in seeking the truth, only affirming his own sense of what is right. He has made his mind what you are about, now he is searching for anything that will prove him right, all the while disregarding anything that would prove him wrong. Just how Leftists get things done.

  225. I like your little rape chart, R. Sometimes it takes a bit of humor to clarify hypocrisy.

    I believe it was Tex who stated that the “rape question” had “no good answer,” or somesuch. You, yourself beautifully delineated why. If a one-celled zygote is life, and all life is precious, then the pregnancy that is the result of rape or incest is precious as well. After all, he is completely innocent of the crime that lead to his creation, isn’t he? In fact, he is as innocent as the most “wanted” baby in the world, having played no conscious part in the attack whatsoever.

    Thus the uncompromising, rigid, black-and-white debater gores his own ox. Good enough.

    See muffy (@36) – someone who gets it.

  226. One thing you never do pick up on, Pfesser. Foundations…and how it is you that is inconsistent in your conclusions.

    For instance…

    How you and Rutherford, at odds at virtually everything else with your own in disbelief at the inanity of his conclusions whether finance, education, health care, Islam, racism, etc….suddenly become bosom buddies about death.

    It stems from your shared disbelief, unbelief, or immoral belief – take your pick.

    I don’t see how I am a hypocrite realizing we slaughter – like you did your niece’s child – over one million children in the womb each year, under legislation sold under a pack of lies which the record clearly demonstrates after 40 years were insidious lies, pragmatically choose politically to let butchers like you have your thousand, if it will save a million in return.

    I believe the term is called “compromise”, and the practicality of changing really heinous law sometimes must come incrementally.

    I’ve stated here on numerous occasions that the only way I can personally justify the termination of a pregnancy is if the choice truly between mother and child.

  227. i like Muffy’s comment too. I am pro- choice, but I consider every abortion to be murder. Abortion is a cost-benefit judgement. We murder born people all of the time based on the same equation. At such times, ending their lives is acceptable, even commendable.

    Iceland is an isolated, fairly homogenous nation. Its people have participated in a genetic study, in part to determine genetic relationships to diseases, migration, and other factors.

    The majority of Icelanders are descended from, Vikings and Norwegians as one would expect. However, about 40% are descended from Irish, English, and Scots.A tiny Native American component also exists.

    Vikings settled in Ireland and England, married local women, and later moved to Iceland. However a large number also took Irish women as slaves and transported them to Iceland. Maybe a few Indians suffered the same fate.

    If we trace our ancestry far enough, every one of us is the product of a rape at some time in the past.

  228. Rutherford,

    The administration did exactly what your blaming me for: Rushing to judgment. Well, kind of. More like rushed to lie for the sake of political expediency.

    It would be one thing if Obama and friends simply didn’t comment outside of the ambiguous Rose Garden snippet. We’re gathering facts and will get back to you America.

    But oh no. They RUSHED to tell America that a movie was the cause of the attack. That our freedom caused it. It was America who was lectured.

    They stood in front the UN and lambasted us. They lectured me and you about responsibility.

    The ambassador to the UN ran on every talk show that would let her that following Sunday and RUSHED to judge…..scratch that…..lie…about a movie.

    I can get over a lapse in security. I have no idea if those people could be rescued. But for you to defend the guy who ran on transparency after he blamed American freedom for a ruthless and barbaric attack coordinated by documented enemies of the state (apparently all on drone provided video)……disgusting.

    It’s been 6 weeks. The only thing we keep learning is that there was one thing the President knew: it was that this was NOT a spontaneous mob upset over the first amendment. He slammed us with the one thing he knew was false.

    So which is it? You naïve or nefarious? Maybe you are right. Maybe Mommy and Daddy’s trips to Europe along with their paid tuition at Harvard was enough. Maybe your growth into an adult wasn’t stunted. It’s hard for me to accept that. If I do, you are a spineless, arm band follower of the worst kind. I’m left with nothing but a Democratic Party mouth piece. Do you understand how boring you have become over the last 4 months?

    This blog as turned into a wind up jack in the box.

  229. “how it is you that is inconsistent in your conclusions.”

    If I am inconsistent, please point it out; I am always trying to learn.

    “How you and Rutherford, at odds at virtually everything else with your own in disbelief at the inanity of his conclusions whether finance, education, health care, Islam, racism, etc….suddenly become bosom buddies about death.”

    It is very simple, really – people of good faith may not reach the same answers on the same questions. That’s what I admire about Rutherford; he actually THINKS about things.

    Real inconsistency consists of claiming to be motivated by principle and then taking one’s marching orders from someone else’s ideology rather than making up your own mind.

    But enough about the far right and far left.

  230. Dead rabbit’s comment is why I wish Romney had asked Obama about the lie. Consumers of the dominant news media have little knowledge of what happened. Obama would have been forced to answer an unanswerable question without the protection of a teleprompter or sympathetic news readers.

  231. Hot Air: “Fox: FBI, NCTC showed al-Qaeda connection to Benghazi attack 2 days afterward.” Al-Qaeda had training camps near Benghazi. More damning signs the low information consumers of main line news will not hear.

  232. It is very simple, really – people of good faith may not reach the same answers on the same questions. That’s what I admire about Rutherford; he actually THINKS about things.

    Unlike say a budget, a redistricting, an allocation of public funds, the implementation of new regulation, life and death doesn’t lend itself well to “THINKING about things” if you get the conclusion wrong, being the conclusion irreversible concerning something completely unique.

    Good thing NASA didn’t THINK ABOUT THINGS after the rocket left the launch pad, or Eisenhower THOUGHT ABOUT THINGS while the boys being shot at on the beachhead.

    While I admire your professional credential obviously, I never did find your rationale concerning “THINKING” terribly deep either.

    However, I am certainly glad you believe Rutherford thinks through things and I don’t. I’ll try to remember that next time when you explain to Rutherford how blacks are being racist in their own right, his inconsistencies in logic, the non sequiturs, etc…because I”ll be forced to come to his defense under the jurisdiction of THINKING ABOUT THINGS.

    Since Rutherford THINKS about things no matter how wrong or consequential, you should longer find fault in Rutherford’s conclusions since people of self-proclaimed good conscience can disagree about anything – no matter the consequence.

    I’m just wondering how long the country is going to last under those premises.

  233. R@284. The chart is all over Facebook and seems to have been put out by a group called unitedwomens.org. I thought the point Rutherford was trying to make was are these quotes legit! Yes, the rape chart is aimed at women who are concerned about the abortion stand of the Republicans candidates. It is a political move on one hand but there is still a fear that aspects of Roe vs Wade will be overturned and rightly so.

    Right now I think the Obama camp will use any ploy to avoid the implications of Libya. I think the Republican camp fell into the briar patch. Rutherford probably has a good point that more votes will depend on the subject of rape versus the subject of Libya and that is a sad state of affairs.

    Hurricane Sandy is causing more gnashing of teeth from both candidates than any other issue of the week. On the other hand maybe Obama is hoping it takes the heat off him regarding Libya.

  234. What I don’t understand is why everyone thinks Rutherford is defending Obama on the issue of Libya. What I understood he said was let the process of investigation continue before passing judgement pretty much what you condemned him for regarding Zimmerman. From the news sources available to us someone screwed up and the fault should lie with the “buck stops here” president. However there will be no impeachment until the facts are complied which is going to be long after the election.

  235. “Rutherford; he actually THINKS about things.”

    How do you figure? If you look at the last couple of threads, if you were to remove the personal insult, and his dismissing what someone said out of hand, you would have a blank post.

  236. Raji, we have the information, from sources that were there. We all know what was said from multiple sources from this administration from day 1 to 2 weeks out. We know they knew just a few hours in what was going on, and that their story to us was a lie as they were telling it. What is missing for you?

    James.
    I think Obama would have used any number of measures to refuse to use the question, from EP to classifying the information. He never would have answered.

  237. Raji, thanks for 309 and 310.

    I watched Obama in a brief exchange this morning with MSNBC’s Joe and Mika and they asked him about Libya. From his response all I can say is first, he is one cool customer. Second, if he KNOWINGLY left Stevens dangling in the wind with blatant disregard for life then he is beyond a cool customer, he is a sociopath. When questioned by Joe and Mika over the weekend (aired this morning) he was unflappable, not the least bit uncomfortable, not the least bit defensive.

    I choose NOT to believe our President is a sociopath. Those of you who disagree with me, felt this way about him the day he was elected.

    Raji, I think it’s also a valuable exercise to discuss what it means to say “the buck stops here”. Does it mean resignation? Does every leader whose underling screwed up, resign in response? Or is the underling fired? Are corrective measures put in place?

    This ain’t Japan where regret leads to Hara-Kiri. Since I know most of you (not necessarily you, Raji) are not fans of Jimmy Carter, I have a simple question for you. Should Carter have resigned after the failed attempt to rescue the hostages? Should Kennedy have resigned after the Bay of Pigs? Should Reagan have resigned after Iran-Contra? What constitutes asking for the head of the President on a platter?

    Nixon, if you recall was suspected of an actual crime (covering up a felony). And yes, I will grant all of you that Clinton lied under oath, a crime. If someone can tell me what crime we know Obama has committed, maybe I’ll understand the call for his head.

  238. You know one reason why I’ll be glad for November 6 to come and go? So I stop getting all these damn emails begging for money. If it’s not Obama, it’s the DSCC. If it’s not the DSCC, it’s Alan Grayson. If it’s not Alan Grayson, it’s Lois Frankel (I don’t even know who the crap Lois Frankel is).

    We need campaign reform badly. We could pay at least a few billion off the deficit (or feed a lot of poor folks) with the money wasted on these campaigns. 😦

  239. An invalid argument based on your faulty attempt to frame it. You determined he HAS to be a sociopath and that we then have to call him one in order to validate our claims. I disagree. He is a practiced liar.

    I have come to a different conclusion. I think he cares so little that he is unaffected. He didn’t show emotion because there was none to show.

  240. “life and death doesn’t lend itself well to “THINKING about things”

    Not true. When one is simply reacting, instead of thinking about it and THEN reacting, is when one makes his greatest mistakes. Matters of life and death are when it is most important to calm down, evict emotion and think about what one is doing. What did they tell WWII air crews was the first procedure in an aircraft emergency? “Wind your watch.” In other words, think before you just react and make things worse.

    Are you saying that NASA just reacts, and doesn’t “think about things?” Is that a joke? Of all agencies, the OLD NASA, anyway, was the best example of thinking instead of just reacting. That’s why the Apollo 13 astronauts survived. When NASA began deviating from that thoughtful approach in an effort to meet bureaucratically-imposed schedules, they killed people.

    As to whether you, Tex, think about things before you react? Maybe you do, but I don’t see much evidence of it. I have never seen you even consider the possibility that you could be wrong – on anything – so far. Maybe I missed it; if so, apologies.

    Knowledge is a process, not a state. The way to get there is to be willing to examine and re-examine one’s closest-held beliefs on a regular basis. Although we usually disagree, at least I see Rutherford doing that. Very little of it elsewhere.

  241. Rutherford, your friends here have been hyped up by an Internet hoax, the truth came out over the weekend, but since they don’t do news, they are still making themselves sick over it. So be it! You can’t help people, who refuse to be helped.

  242. Tex, concerning your citation of Chris Matthews using “shuck and jive” I will give you this. You are one of the better researchers on this blog. How you find this stuff I don’t know.

    I would summarize as follows:

    Matthews use of it was not with malicious intent (in fact I didn’t completely understand his use of it).

    Andrew Cuomo should have been condemned for it.

    Palin as an asshat.

    But again, Tex, good for you on the research. I’ve never said Matthews was the most balanced of the MSNBC bunch.

    More in the next comment.

  243. The MSNBC bunch as we get closer to November 6 is becoming more unhinged. Rachel Maddow whether you want to admit it or not, is rising as the sanest, least emotionally unstable of the entire crew.

    Martin Bashir — I’ve just started watching his show the past week. I previously hated the prick because I felt he stabbed Michael Jackson in the back doing a sympathetic interview with him which he turned into a smear job post-production. Still, he is a chuckle on his MSNBC show. The level of anger is wild. How he doesn’t need a Valium is beyond me.

    Chris Matthews — A week or so ago Chris actually said that it would be wrong to deny the first black President a second term. I couldn’t believe my ears. You boys can say what you like … I am against anyone who wants to toss him out cos he’s black. But I am in NO WAY SAYING he deserves a second term because he’s black. Chris Matthews suffers from more white guilt than anyone I’ve ever encountered. Still, he and Rachel are my favorites.

    Al Sharpton — Yikes. Most of the time I’m just embarrassed. I’ve seen him have a shining moment or two, especially during debate coverage but if there has to be a token black in the roster, it should be Michael Steele who can provide balance to the network’s evening lineup. (Sorry, with that British accent, Martin Bashir just don’t count as black in my book.)

    Ed Schulz — No need to even elaborate. A blow-hard. I very seldom watch him. Also a former conservative. So is Arianna Huffington. I don’t completely trust converts. But I admit, for ratings sake, I have at times tried to emulate his style on my Internet radio show. You gotta keep the viewers awake.

    Rachel Maddow — Smart on the verge of being pedantic. Sometimes her lead story is great, other times she tries too hard to show how clever she can be. Still, the network’s greatest asset.

    Lawrence (Crazy Larry) O’Donnell — Essentially Keith Olbermann’s replacement both in terms of snark and nuttiness. I’m not a regular viewer but I watch him once in a while. The other day he challenged Tagg Romney to throw a punch at him. LOL I must admit sometimes after watching Crazy Larry, I feel like I need a bath. 🙂

    Honorable mention — Chris Hayes — his Saturday and Sunday shows are must-see TV for folks who want to watch truly interesting discussion of current events.

  244. Yes, Rutherford, taking responsibility and accepting the consequences of one’s deeds are two different things as you wrote. Nixon covered up a crime, so he should have resigned.

    Reagan, Carter, and Kennedy should not have resigned because they either made honest decisions or their underlings hid their deeds. Clinton was rightly impeached because he committed purgury, but he was allowed to keep his job, and I think it was the currect decision.

    Obama was Nixonesque. He and his administration lied and stonewalled. People died. Impeachment is a trial, not an execution. Obama should be impeached, and during the trial we will learn what actually happened.

    When I became an NCO, I made us a team. We all shared the glory and the dishonor. I was the one who got chewed out if we failed, and I let my men know they were a disappointment to me. They did what they could to make me look good.

  245. As to whether you, Tex, think about things before you react? Maybe you do, but I don’t see much evidence of it. I have never seen you even consider the possibility that you could be wrong – on anything – so far. Maybe I missed it; if so, apologies.

    Actually Pfesser, perhaps deep wasn’t the right word. Like Yappy and her conclusions, perhaps I should have used soulless and arrogant as descriptors instead.

    So there – I”m wrong. As recently as last Friday I said I was wrong about the mood and direction of this country. I read America completely wrong and have for several months – I don’t see how anybody of good conscience and love of country could vote for Obama as President. I’m not aghast that Romney may not win. I’m aghast that Romney is not leading by 30 points or more across this nation.

    As to the examples used here in defense, Yappy confuses patience with stonewalling for an election result. There’s no patience necessary concerning this one. Obama could answer questions of what he knew and when he knew it right now. Don’t the American public walking into a voting booth deserve to know exactly how truthful their candidate of choice is after the death of the first ambassador in 33 years? This isn’t patience over an investigation. This is stonewalling. We’ve had seven weeks tomorrow. The families of the slain are asking the same questions we are – and getting the same answer. “We’re investigating.”

    As far as the Zimmerman result, Yappy’s conclusion is even more laughable in the defense of the indefensible. Rutherford didn’t ask for patience concerning a court verdict. Rutherford condemned George Zimmerman immediately as executioner. Rutherford’s initial conclusion was no different than Al Sharpton and the New Black Panthers.

    So when do we start adapting and measuring our SCOTUS decisions after 40 years, 50MM legalized deaths, Pfesser? What if you’re wrong? I’ll tell you what should happen and won’t. You would get down on your knees and excuse yourself for being party to the most heinous executions in the most brutal of ways of the most innocent. If people knew the methods of abortion and not conveniently turn the blind eye, they would recognize the methods would make Himmler blush.

    But that will never happen. Because I don’t think you are a man of conscience. Oh, I grant you the intellect. But pure intellect without conscience is dangerous. Perhaps the most dangerous character trait of them all.

    And your analogy to NASA was an incredibly specious one IMO. If you want an example of something far more analogous to NASA concerning abortion, it’s when the powers that be decided the O-Rings in Challenger would be fine in freezing weather. The conclusion was reached the minute the rocket left the pad.

    Because unlike Apollo 13 and exactly like Challenger’s O-Rings, abortion doesn’t lend itself to adaptation and the possibility of correcting a wrong.

  246. I am not a fan of Jimmy Carter. He should have stuck to peanuts.

    @316 “We need campaign reform badly. We could pay at least a few billion off the deficit (or feed a lot of poor folks) with the money wasted on these campaigns.”

    We are in complete agreement!

    “The Buck Stops Here” is just what it says. POTUS accepts the blame. Obama let Hillary take the blame on Libya. That fact indicates to me Obama is not a good CIC.
    As in the case of Nixon, if the facts show there was a cover up regarding Libya and Obama lied, then that says to me he committed a crime.

  247. ” Rutherford condemned George Zimmerman immediately”

    Tex, that is exactly what I said. Please re-read!
    I’ll try to say it another way: Instead of passing judgement like Rutherford did with the Zimmerman case, he appears to wants the process of investigation regarding Libya to continue before passing judgement.

    I don’t mind you yapping at me but at least take the time to comprehend what I wrote. If my musings are not worth your valuable time then don’t use your valuable time slamming me.

  248. I’m doing some catchup on comments today. This beaut from Rabbit:

    The most annoying part about Rutherford’s boring, first year of college, religious skepticism are his haughty claims of being an innocent agnostic mixed in with his all knowing, atheist fatwas.

    My my … this from the most uncertain Christian on the board. On the one hand you’ve got PF who is adamantly atheist. On the other you’ve got Muffy, Tex and BiW (and others) who are absolutely sure there is a God up there to pray to. And then smack in the middle you’ve got Rabbit who has written repeatedly about his struggles with faith.

    Dude, open a window before you throw that stone. 😉

  249. “The buck stops here” does not mean throwing your State Dept., intelligence advisers, and proxies under the bus for political expediency. Creating that schism within your administration is not just unpresidential, it’s dangerous.

  250. C’mon Tex old boy… have a sense of humor. The Lena Dunham ad was funny on the one hand and she’s damn cute to boot. I know a lot of folks thought it was more Obama idolatry. Sheesh.

  251. “Rutherford, your friends here have been hyped up by an Internet hoax, the truth came out over the weekend, but since they don’t do news, they are still making themselves sick over it. So be it! You can’t help people, who refuse to be helped.”

    🙄

    You might want to let Obama in on it then. The interview R was referring to that was aired this morning had Obama denying that he knew what happened.

    Glad he had clarity at the debates. 🙄

  252. i agree with Pfessor about life and death. It is hard for most people to take another life without dehuminising the person to die.

    I learned to think things through in college and the Air Force.,II thought for weeks and rehearsed various scenarios which might evolve. It was as close to virtual reality as I could make it. Downhill skiers do the same thing as they live each turn before they begin

    We all should mentally rehearse what we would do when things go wrong , such as in a fire or auto accident. Obama and his staff obviously failed to rehearse different scenarios, and they either froze of panicked.

    Newt, please enlighten us.I’m hoping your slant will be as entertaining as Harry Reid’s mystery Bain executives.

  253. OT Hurricane Sandy hasn’t even made landfall but the storm surge has already knocked out a pier in Ocean City MD and flooded Atlantic City. It’s going to be a long week. The election will be on the back burner.

  254. Tex I read some of that Politico article on the book by Connaughton about Biden. First, since when do you quote that liberal rag Politico? LOL publications only suck to the extent they disagree with your opinion.

    Second … and this is the part I love. Ain’t it a kick when a dude writes a tell-all and then bemoans out loud that he was never let into the inner circle … never completely gained the trust of Biden? It takes a certain type of person to write a tell-all. Perhaps Biden sniffed out that Connaughton was not to be trusted?

    Anyway, to the extent that anyone reminds us that Washington is bought and sold by Wall Street, good for Connaughton.

  255. Tex is surprised Romney is not leading by a wide margin. One reason is dirty campaign ads which portrayed Romney as different from who he is.

    An illustration is the Deb Fisher-Bob Kerry contest. Kerry is now within three points of Fisher, and the gap began to narrow when his campaign made negative ads about the Fisher land dispute. Until now, Deb has been trying to indulge in generalities, but supporters are urging her to go negative.

  256. Yappy, you’re such a poor communicator, I had to reread your entire post three times to make sense of it.

    Let me explain with the admission I find you so stilted and wrongheaded in general, after reading your introduction which is the wrong conclusion and a false charge implying most of the room being unfair to Rutherford, I pretty much skip through the remainder. Mea culpa. So I”ll retract and apologize for sentence three of your defense and charge you with ignorance attempting to cover for blog malfeasance in your introductory question.

    That should make it all better, Yappy.

    What I don’t understand is why everyone thinks Rutherford is defending Obama on the issue of Libya.

    How you could come to the conclusion Rutherford is not attempting to defend Obama’s actions?

    What do you think Rutherford’s “asking for patience” implies after I just wrote an entire post virtually immediately preceding your charge to exactly what Rutherford is attempting, being we have a Presidential election in eight short days?

    It’s not like 9/11/2012 was 48 hours ago, or that we don’t know a lot more than we did 9/13/2012. The facts are not really in question. The only thing in question is Obama’s culpability, why four people were left for dead, and why Obama and his entire administration lied to the American populace for two weeks to the reasons of the attack.

    Rutherford defended the actions of Trayvon™. What do you think Rutherford is attempting to do now concerning Obama’s actions in Benghazi? We’ve been discussing this since the 2nd presidential debate at some length, and Rutherford has never wavered from his implication of Obama’s innocence.

    How many Rutherford responses to I need to cut and paste as indictment that you’re wrong in your assessment of Rutherford’s defending the lies the last five weeks?

    What do you think Rutherford is really attempting to do, mind you we are now seven weeks into not having this question answered…

    “Why did Obama continue to blame a poorly made video released in July as cause for a spontaneous mob action two weeks after the fact of knowing it wasn’t mob rule as initially explained by both Obama and his entire staff, but a newer version of Al Qaeda and well planned action at that; especially knowing now this was all playing out live for observation?”

    It’s now seven weeks into not having a very simple question answered of who, what or why with Obama as the main character in the play.

    I find nothing to condemn of us who are accusing Obama and by association Rutherford in attempting to stonewall Obama’s culpability of probably treason and most certainly malfeasance; a question that shouldn’t require a grand jury to answer.

    So how is any of what I just said wrong, Yappy?

  257. Tex I read some of that Politico article on the book by Connaughton about Biden. First, since when do you quote that liberal rag Politico? LOL publications only suck to the extent they disagree with your opinion.

    Politico sucks period. It’s not that they agreed with my opinion, which is unimportant and meaningless to you.

    I thought you would be pleased since I found a left-wing article that confirmed what the vast majority of your room, FAUX News, the anti-Obama WSJ, and apparently about 60% of the United States who are racists because they don’t approve of Obama already knew.

    Joe Biden is even more of a grossly incompetent scumbag than is Barack Obama.

    Try to look at it as a left-handed compliment to our traitor as President.

    Obama is incompetent, an unqualified coward, naive, narcissistic, underhanded, criminal, average in intelligence, morally bankrupt, a liar, sleazy, mealy-mouthed, a thug, dishonest, self-absorbed, pretentious, disingenuous, a poor actor, possible traitor, and a racist in his own right.

    But Joe Biden? Obama is an archangel in comparison to Jolting Joe.

    Now you can’t call me racist or unfair in my assessments of your hero. I can actually find at least one, more experience, more unqualified white man to hold the Presidency than Barack Obama.

    I think I’m getting soft in my old age. 😉

  258. It’s getting worse concerning Benghazi…

    Incompetence. Abandonment. Treason.

    It has been a sickening few days for those of us who have closely followed the revelations coming out about the Benghazi terror attack that killed not only Ambassador Chris Stevens and diplomat Sean Smith, but also CIA operators (and former SEALs) Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, who died undertaking a rescue mission — unauthorized — to save the rest of the consulate staff.

    We’ve learned about the incredible heroism of a CIA force that repeatedly called for help for as it was being attacked. Disturbingly, we learned that this force had been told to “stand down” twice by their chain of command, and that they violated direct orders to conduct this rescue mission. Our consulate staff was left to die.

    Let me say that again: our consulate staff was to be abandoned and left to die.

    We’ve also heard claims about why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi to begin with: some sources suggest this was part of an Obama administration plot to arm Syrian rebels.

    We should tackle each of these related issues separately.

    For starters, we now know that not a single American life should have been lost. Trucks with with the Islamist cell’s logo and with heavy machine guns mounted on them took up blocking positions around the consulate no later than 8:00 p.m., according to Libyan eyewitnesses. These so-called “technicals” did not let anyone in or out for one hour and 40 minutes, until the attack began at 9:40 p.m. local time.

    In that time, air assets based in Italy, Sicily, and the Mediterranean Sea could have easily dispatched the forces preparing for an attack, using precision weapons to destroy these logo-identified blocking vehicles. There is every reason to believe that the timely launch of air assets would have destroyed the attacking force as they prepared for their assault, without the loss of a single American life. For reasons as yet unknown, these easily identifiable enemy assets massing for an attack on the U.S. consulate were met with indifference by U.S. forces.

    Our CIA assets, which seem to have been composed of former SEALs and other special operations personnel, conducted an unsupported rescue mission under fire. They saved the lives of the remaining consulate staff and recovered the body of Sean Smith, whom they then escorted back to their safehouse a mile away.

    Once there, they came under fire again — including fire from a terrorist team armed with mortars. Then something truly extraordinary and troubling took place:

    At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according to those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing, and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. special operations forces to provide support to special operation teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/questions-for-white-house-over-benghazi-just-beginning/

  259. I forgot to do something this morning. I’m pretty sure I know where most of you reside in general, but not all.

    To friend and foe alike:

    If any of you are anywhere near the storm or your loved ones are, my thoughts are with each of you.

    Pfesser, I’m not sure of the current path, but it appeared to me you could be on the fringes of a long night when I looked at it yesterday, and I wanted to tell you I was thinking about you and your family.

  260. “So when do we start adapting and measuring our SCOTUS decisions after 40 years, 50MM legalized deaths, Pfesser? What if you’re wrong? I’ll tell you what should happen and won’t. You would get down on your knees and excuse yourself for being party to the most heinous executions in the most brutal of ways of the most innocent.”

    That is one way of looking at it. There are others. Opinions vary. (HT to Swayze)

    I think the Christian church should apologize for its heinous execution of tens of thousands of innocent adults – whom we ALL agree should have protection under the law, in contradistinction to zygotes, where there is wide disagreement. The Church should then disband and never be seen again. You may disagree, and my being SURE my way is right does not force you to see it my way or to DO it my way.

    That works both ways, BTW…the difference is that I am willing have MY opinion, and to let you have yours – and act on it vis a vis your own life. You are not; you wish to force your opinion on abortion, for example, on everybody.

    Therein lies the difference, and the impetus to make sure that nobody of your thought processes EVER gets in high office.

  261. That works both ways, BTW…the difference is that I am willing have MY opinion, and to let you have yours – and act on it vis a vis your own life. You are not; you wish to force your opinion on abortion, for example, on everybody.

    Well, if you’re looking for accolades in your claims of great tolerance when your opinion is the forced law of the land contrary to the wishes of the MAJORITY of the American public, you probably shouldn’t snap the labrum clapping yourself on the back.

    I don’t see that does much to support your idea of moral superiority of letting us have an opinion, when your own opinion, and that’s what it is, an opinion, is the only one that counts concerning the matter of abortion and life vs. death. If left to a popular vote of the adults in this country, I feel quite certain Roe V. Wade would be revoked once everyone understood the abolishing Roe doesn’t constitute an abolishment of abortion but a return to letting the constituency of each state decide on its merits.

    As far as the Christian Church apologizing, assuming your version of antiquity accurate, what thousands of deaths should the CHRISTIAN Church apologize for again? The Crusades? If so, you’re history vague. Now if you had said ‘religion’ without being specific in condemnation of Christian, I might have shook my head in agreement.

    I’m just wondering when you’re going to acknowledge that concerning the 20th century, and that’s the only century other than the current one that we can adequately address as fact and not opinion, it wasn’t Christianity that killed thousands but atheism that killed millions upon millions.

    And I’m going to be so tolerate, that I’m not even going to wish for your demise and still let you believe as you must. 😉

  262. Well boys and girls, during my lunch break today I went to the Naperville Municipal Center and cast my vote for …

    Barack Obama and
    Joe Biden

    There was a steady, if not overwhelming line at the polling place. It’s the first time I’ve ever early-voted. So, the deed is done.

    Afterwards, I stood in the lobby outside the polling center, put on my black beret, and slapped my cane against the palm of my hand while staring down white people. 🙂

    Satire alert: For those with no sense of humor, I did early vote, I did not engage in voter intimidation.

  263. “I don’t see that does much to support your idea of moral superiority of letting us have an opinion, when your own opinion, and that’s what it is, an opinion, is the only one that counts concerning the matter of abortion and life vs. death.”

    I never said that – any of it. Show me where I said that. (Straw man argument)

    “If left to a popular vote of the adults in this country, I feel quite certain Roe V. Wade would be revoked once everyone understood the abolishing Roe doesn’t constitute an abolishment of abortion but a return to letting the constituency of each state decide on its merits.”

    We already tried that. It didn’t work. Hence, Roe v Wade

    “I’m just wondering when you’re going to acknowledge that concerning the 20th century, and that’s the only century other than the current one that we can adequately address as fact and not opinion, it wasn’t Christianity that killed thousands but atheism that killed millions upon millions.”

    Why cherry-pick a time frame? Let’s just compare the piles of bodies throughout ALL of recorded history. Oops! Can’t do that! (Actually, I think it was the moustaches – all the bad guys had moustaches, too – so that must be what drove them mad.)

    “And I’m going to be so tolerate, that I’m not even going to wish for your demise and still let you believe as you must.”

    We shall all die, my friend – all of us. It’s a big wheel: some get on today; some get off. You may be in front of me or behind; it matters not. In the course of billions of years (or 6,000 – whichever you believe), the period of a man’s life is trivial, as is the time of his death.

  264. Before I forget:

    Alfie, stay safe man. From everything I’m seeing, Sandy is a nasty lady and she’s gonna tear up the northeast. I already told my 84 year old Dad not to be a hero.

    To Gorilla and PF, I don’t know to what extent you’ve already been hit but I hope there wasn’t too much damage.

  265. Like Tex, I hope everyone in the storm area is safe.

    Rutherford, the image of your wearing a black beret and slapping a cane against the palm of your hand is as funny as my friend’s picturing my uncle wearing a Viking helmet. No disrespect, but the mental picture is funny.

  266. R – We’re fine, thanks – as you know, we run a business out of our home office, and we can’t be down. I have my tractor already hooked up to my PTO generator and transfer switch, through which we can power the whole house, heat it and power our well pump. I have been sitting on the tractor, revving the engine and gleefully hoping for a power outage. We have cable, DSL and wireless Internet so we can keep our business online. We actually have several people taking refuge in our home until the storm passes. I’m catching up on reading and chain-jerking. Good stuff. Best to all.

  267. I never said that – any of it. Show me where I said that. (Straw man argument).

    Am I to assume your opinions not formulated by the facts at hand and you pick them for convenience or formulate them by pulling opinions out of your arse? Or are you now willing to admit your opinions not premised by fact but how you wish things are or you would like all of us to perceive them? An opinion contrary to your opponent’s position implies you hold an opinion of greater worth by definition.

    I most certainly think my opinions superior in every form to yours, for instance.

    That is, unless you’re now going to tell me all opinions are of equal value, at which time I will laugh at your “superiority” more than I already do.

    Roe V. Wade hasn’t worked. In fact, there’s very good statistical data saying the effect of Roe has been just the opposite of what was intended.

    Roe was sold on the idea of assuring children being wanted and an issue of some assumed privacy to abortion found nowhere in the Constitution. The very subject of the affair “Roe” has testified she was lied to by the presenting attorney. After 50,000,000+ legalized abortions, we now know that those children who did survive the abortion Holocaust are committing suicide in record numbers.

    ————

    Cherry pick any time frame within the last 1,970 years you want, Pfesser. And the Christian Church murders will pail in comparison to the mindset your fellow travelers wrought in the number of innocent deaths by murder in the 20th century alone.

  268. Afterwards, I stood in the lobby outside the polling center, put on my black beret, and slapped my cane against the palm of my hand while staring down white people. 🙂

    🙂

    Unfortunately, I seem to have lost my white hood and sack to stand guard at the polling booth to disenfranchise as many spear chunking watermelons African-American voters as I possibly can who can’t find their driver’s license they use for food stamps. I will however, place an ICE Deportment buttoned to my lapel to make sure the “beaners” Hispanics don’t dare traverse the steps of the church polling booth. (In Pfesser’s world, this voting place would be like garlic). We do have the “Don’t waste your vote – free smoke, pizza and drink for Romney booth next to the voting precinct in case anyone is interested.

    As good citizen, I have told my black neighbors, all of them, to not forget to vote on Nov. 7th, as Obama needs all the help he can get. 😈

  269. “Am I to assume your opinions not formulated by the facts at hand and you pick them for convenience or formulate them by pulling opinions out of your arse? Or are you now willing to admit your opinions not premised by fact but how you wish things are or you would like all of us to perceive them? An opinion contrary to your opponent’s position implies you hold an opinion of greater worth by definition.”

    Huh????? EVERYBODY who disagrees with someone thinks his opinion is superior, doesn’t he? That’s the definition of disagreement. (Tautology fallacy…I think. Help me out here, Rutherford?)

    “I most certainly think my opinions superior in every form to yours, for instance.
    That is, unless you’re now going to tell me all opinions are of equal value, at which time I will laugh at your “superiority” more than I already do.”

    Huh???? What the hell are you trying to say? Man, you gotta tighten up your thought processes; you’re all over the road here…

    “Roe V. Wade hasn’t worked. In fact, there’s very good statistical data saying the effect of Roe has been just the opposite of what was intended.”

    Those women who dealt with the system both before and after Roe might disagree with you.

    “Roe was sold on the idea of assuring children being wanted”

    No it wasn’t. Check your facts.

    “and an issue of some assumed privacy to abortion found nowhere in the Constitution.”

    Agreed. Right decision for the wrong reason.

    “The very subject of the affair “Roe” has testified she was lied to by the presenting attorney.”

    I know about that. A bit of buyer’s remorse, I suspect.

    “After 50,000,000+ legalized abortions, we now know that those children who did survive the abortion Holocaust are committing suicide in record numbers.”

    See? That’s what happens when you don’t do the job right the first time…
    ————
    “Cherry pick any time frame within the last 1,970 years you want, Pfesser. And the Christian Church murders will pail in comparison to the mindset your fellow travelers wrought in the number of innocent deaths by murder in the 20th century alone.”

    I travel alone. Sorry.

  270. I’ll assume you tracheotomy has made you far more susceptible to respiratory infections on a more serious note? Makes sense to me, since you bypass one of the biggest jobs of the nose – filtration of bad stuff

    Well, yes and no. Remember I keep the trach capped during the day so I breathe through my nose and mouth. Plus, I had the trach in Middlebury and didn’t seem to get sick as often or as for so long.

    Your MSNBC diagnosis is probably more on the mark. 🙂

    So long as I don’t come down with Romnesia.

  271. The rest of your response was gibberish and not worth answering.

    I knew you could cherry pick all you want and you’re still not going to find anything remotely close to the number of murdered by your adored atheists Mao and Stalin. Hell, even Hitler was a disciple of Nietzsche like you and persecuted the church, but I don’t even need to throw in Hitler, Pol Pot or Ceausescu to win this argument.

    “Roe was sold on the idea of assuring children being wanted”

    No it wasn’t. Check your facts.

    WTH? 😆 Are you kidding? The burn the bra crowd’s rallying cry and the one that drove the whole issue to the SCOTUS was the assurance of “every child wanted.” Roe admits as much, and I too have a little access to the information.

  272. Rutherford,

    One of the things you learn in microbiology is that it is virtually impossible to sterilize a field without fervent heat. And by heat, I mean about 1,000C – like with a red hot metal rod (welding). And I volunteer one night to help keep your throat sterile and away from germs. You’ll sleep like a baby knowing your in good hands. You let me know when you need my help. 😈 Your wife will secretly thank me for it.

    I actually got to partake in a TB sterilization test under strict supervision, like “Mr. Taylor, put on your damn mask and don’t let me see you remove that again or I will boot your ass out” test strict (oops), and even an autoclave wouldn’t kill the TB spores.

    That’s why a surgeon’s table, while sanitized, is a far cry from sterile – that’s a myth.

    It’s just common sense that anyone who had a tracheotomy would probably be more susceptible to disease. That’s basically the entire purpose of your integumentary system – protection. Any hole in your body that was not intended and not protected by immunity is entry to disease.

    It’s also a myth that washing your hands kills the “germs.” What is basically does is wash the little buggers down the drain.

  273. Rutherford, I can’t believe you are minimizing this Benghazi thing. Think about this:

    Obama watched our people die and refused to send help because he was afraid a failed rescue mission would hurt his political prospects.

    The fact that doesn’t give you pause is alarming to me.

  274. “close to the number of murdered by your adored atheists Mao and Stalin.”

    Adored? Why, I barely knew them. I think they were more, well, socialist than I usually am, also. I’m more of a libertarian. When did I say I liked them? Straw man. Cites, please…[tick]

    “Hell, even Hitler was a disciple of Nietzsche like you”

    I’m pretty sure I never said that, since I don’t remember ever reading ANY Nietzsche….more straw man…[tock]

  275. Your reading of Mr. Silver, whose been consistently wrong in every election I’m aware

    Huh??? Are you stoned? The man’s track record is impeccable. Tex why do you pull stuff out of your ass like that? Truly … even statements that just make you look silly. Silver is one of the most respected statisticians around.

    With that said, the polls are absolutely all over the place. Minnesota was supposed to be in Obama’s lap, now it may be up for grabs. I respect Sliver’s ability but I wouldn’t use it to place bets this year.

  276. And demand those damn tax returns!

    Ya gotta hand it to Romney. He said “no, go suck a lemon” and the issue eventually died. In retrospect I have to give him props. We won’t know what’s in those returns until after the election, if ever.

  277. I wonder why I bother to play catch-up on a thread filled with garbage like this:

    I think what happened is Trump has something, and was asked (maybe begged) by the Romney camp to not present whatever dirt Trump found until after the election.

    Yeah Trump has something … a very very very small penis.

  278. “Yeah Trump has something … a very very very small penis.”

    Of all the attributes for Rutherford to have precise knowledge of, this wasn’t at the top of my list. I thought he was married?

  279. Huh??? Are you stoned? The man’s track record is impeccable. Tex why do you pull stuff out of your ass like that? Truly … even statements that just make you look silly. Silver is one of the most respected statisticians around.

    Rutherford, you still have failed to recognize you and your ilk represent about 20% of the electorate at most and declining. Silver may be a legend in your circles – in mine, his name is synonymous with worm and huckster. Respected statisticians? Pffffttt….party hack.

    Just as MSNBC is mostly viewed as partisan clowns on dunk tanks and Paul Krugman not Nobel Prize winner but former Enron adviser, Nate Silver is lead blog lackey of a declining old gray mule.

    Let’s investigate.

    Silly? Silver missed by a country mile in 2010 his estimates. Until the last couple of weeks in Oct. 2010, he was providing good odds that the Dimocrats might be able to keep the House – that’s Nancy Pelosi country.

    Besides the fact Silver may be one of the biggest looking bespectacled worms on the planet, most of us recognize he’s also partisan hack and cheerleader weasel. But I’m not knocking you using Silver as sage, most of you peacocks didn’t even know who Silver was until six months ago. You used to use Zogby, but he fell out of favor. Feel free to quote old Nate.

    We’re all a product of our environment, Rutherford.

    That doesn’t make me silly. Might make me wrong.

    However, when Jolting Joe Biden is going to Pennsylvania on Thursday, and Bill Clinton is heading for Minnesota, you might want to take note that what is generally considered solidly blue states in the worst of times might indicate not all is right in Mudsville. 😉

    We shall see.

  280. Pfesser,

    You keep claiming straw man and I’ll keep the igniter handy. I’m still waiting for your proof of all the bodies piling up equivalent to 20th century militant atheism.

    Why cherry-pick a time frame? Let’s just compare the piles of bodies throughout ALL of recorded history. Oops! Can’t do that! (Actually, I think it was the moustaches – all the bad guys had moustaches, too – so that must be what drove them mad.)

    Well, I’m still waiting for you to give example. Is it also a straw man to ask for verification of YOUR CLAIMS? I think your house is built of straw.

    I’m going to get my flamethrower.

  281. Rutherford, in your latest episode of “Tex’s faith isn’t real”, you pretentiously claimed “you don’t know” yet only a few hours later authoritatively told Muffy she awaits nothing but the void.

    If you were personally wrestling with the issue, by all means, I apologize. However, I think you jump from atheism to agnosticism as I do a Phillips screwdriver to a flat head. It’s just more posturing in a debate that should have been worn out by your sophomore year in college.

    Amazingly, you go on to tell us what you “choose to believe” about Barrack Obama. But anywho……

    You high five Pfessor as he uses his “fairy” joke for the 100th time…..and you don’t get why it all bugs the crap out of me?

    I’ve never slammed anyone for their faith or lack of. Personally, I find these conversations are usually best to have alone, late at night. Have I confided in the blog a few times with my own existential doodles, some of them doubtful? Yeah, I have. And almost every time you, not BiC, not Tex, not Muffy, have tried to force me to some conclusion. You’re rather evangelical, in your own way.

    There is more to this universe then logic and matter. As Tex rightfully points out, the greatest human horror story of all time was when mankind tried to operate soley under only those two realities.

    Even the proud and mighty Pfessor, who has already learned how to fly, leaps. Whether its in the form of a contract with his fellow man or what constitutes life. You guys ain’t so much smarter then those who you mock.

  282. Holy crap … this is what has Tex in a tizzy:

    Last night, it was revealed that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had ordered more security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before it was attacked where four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens were murdered by Al-Qaeda but President Obama denied the request.

    The news broke on TheBlazeTV’s “Wilkow!” hosted by Andrew Wilkow, by best-selling author, Ed Klein who said the legal counsel to Clinton had informed him of this information.

    Klein also said that those same sources said that former President Bill Clinton has been “urging” his wife [Hillary] to release official State Department documents that prove she called for additional security at the compound in Libya, which would almost certainly result in President Obama losing the election.

    Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/10/26/report-hillary-asked-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2AjJkdqkU

    Are you f*cking kidding me???? The Blaze? A Glenn Beck produced piece of conservative propaganda trash???? Do you REALLY think Bill Clinton would urge his wife to torpedo Obama’s reelection? Are you that gullible/stupid????

    I haven’t been clicking too many of the “evidence” links in this thread and I’m glad of it. The kind of stuff you’d see in the grocery store aisle next to headline “Martian copulates with Michelle Obama”.

    This is exactly why I say let the official investigation run its course. Believe me, no one and I mean no one employed by Glenn Beck will be called to testify.

    Damn! Some folks here are majoring in stupid! 👿

  283. I think they were embarrassed by the Democrat opposition to those acts and bitter about the Republican support.

    Huh? Muffy there was no Republican support for the ACA. What are you smoking? There has been precious little Republican support for anything Obama.

    That virgin vote ad is tacky.

    You need a sense of humor.

  284. Tex –
    It’s kind of interesting actually, isn’t it? Nice attempt at comparing apples and oranges, but I’m way ahead of you.

    The Crusades, the jihads, the attacks on Israel, all the other things are, of course, motivated by religion, and nobody makes any argument about it. Witch trials, hangings and burnings: all motivated by religious fervor.

    But as for Tex’s other cast of characters:

    Hitler is a non-starter: he was raised a Catholic and at various times, including in his manifesto Mein Kampf, professed his Christian beliefs. Some disagree about his religion. As for his motivations for war, they were primarily megalomania and hatred of the Jews as a race, not because of their religion or his lack of same. Ditto Stalin, whose primary motivation was power, not superstition. Ditto Mao, Pol Pot, et al. Atheism was but ONE of their characteristics; they also were all male, many had moustaches – maybe it was their moustaches! and NONE stated religion as their reasons for their actions. Nice try, no cigar.

    The bottom line is, superstition leads unerringly to irrational behavior, but it is not the only cause. Some people are just crazy. I think we all know someone like that, and they are just crazy – if they happen to be religious too, so much the worse.

  285. Bull shit. All mentioned above share one thing in common. Replacing religion with the state. If they were operating within the confines of traditional religion why were they so hell bent on crushing it? Why not high jack it like monarchs did in the past? No sir. Radical atheism.

  286. Hegel, Marx, Lennon, all hell bent on eradicating superstion and replacing it with rationalism/materialism. What was the upshot?

  287. I agree, about the climate change video, Rutherford. I haven’t forgotten Newt’s discussion suggestion I’m just not on the mood now.

    Crusades, Jihads, other movements are not entirely motivated by religion. Religion can be an instrument of implementation of power but it is not necessarily the underlying cause.

    .

  288. More thread review:

    LOL You know, your inanity is starting to bore us.

    If you can’t address the point, don’t bother with the dissembling. Boooooring.

    It ain’t anyone’s writing or English MENSA, you struggle with concepts.

    “Bore us”? Speak for yourself … who elected you leader and spokesman?

    I don’t struggle with concepts …. YOU struggle with comprehension.

  289. When Beck hit rock bottom, he actually recognized it, and approached redemption with a clear understanding of what it was and was NOT.

    Another shout out to &diety by BiW. Let me tell you something … if the current Beck is what you get when you turn to God for help, then it’s no wonder we have such a f*cked up world.

    Forget firing Obama … let’s start by firing God. 😐

  290. Regarding 196 who tape records their kid crying over his disappointment about his fav team losing and then posts it to YouTube? My kid cries when her favorite American Idol contestant doesn’t win. I keep the webcam off. 😐

  291. Regarding comment 200 … almost 200 years of this country doing its best to destroy the black man but not until they got sufficient labor out of him and suddenly Rabbit is full of outrage.

    Save it. This country abandoned blacks before the ink on the Declaration of Independence was dry. When YOUR party has a solution, let me know and I’ll join hands with you. Until then … STFU.

  292. BTW, if anyone is getting the impression I’m in a bad mood today … I wasn’t initially but this thread full of paranoia, conspiracy theories and self righteous bullsh*t is getting me down. Sadly, the highlight has been watching the Osmonds … after that religious ditty, I clicked on another video and got to hear “Just Like a Yo Yo”. Now THAT’S CLASSIC. 🙂

  293. Nice attempt at comparing apples and oranges, but I’m way ahead of you.

    Pfesser, with all due respect. Let’s put one bit of silliness to rest before we proceed further.

    Rutherford used as supporting cast concerning this specific issue as to provide expert witness to your testimony, is like casting Justin Bieber as Al Capone in a movie.

    It doesn’t work and no one attends the movie except for possible comic relief at the absurdity. Rutherford lives with his head buried in the sand and will die with his head buried in the sand.

    Now that we’ve got that small part of a rather large equation put to the side, I am well aware of your anger toward Christianity. That was the heart of your very first post on the Rutherford Lawson blog. zzzzz. The fairies story we have seen a hundred times doesn’t begin to explain why your claims of there being no Creator turn you into rabid, apoplectic rage when challenged.

    Muffy, BIC and I have all made the point at one time or another we find this some form of mental illness on your behalf. Something that does not exist does not warrant discussion in our book. But fairies aside, this issue consumes you.

    So the quid pro quo. You started this debate once again with some mindless blanket statement easily dismissed. I refuted it with much more current history of which there is no dispute but possible scale of the crime. You didn’t deny my refutation, therefore I must assume you found no fault with my argument.

    Instead you deflected into charges of logical fallacies of me placing words in your mouth even when I copied your response, the diverted toward issues not relevant to the conversation like fruit comparisons. None of that changes I still await proof of your initial charge. Mass murder by the Christian Church.

    ———-

    Did you read Rabbit’s last comment? Let me repeat it since it gets to the heart of our argument and bears repeating:

    Replacing religion with the state. If they were operating within the confines of traditional religion why were they so hell bent on crushing it?

    You made a statement of thousands killed by Christianity. I refuted your thousands of which you still haven’t complied with proof by the way, that millions were killed by a state religion known as atheism in less than 50 years of the 20th century. It’s very simple. If you wish, I can substitute Kim for Mao, Pol Pot for Stalin and the story is the same. Failure, followed by mass starvation and murder on a grotesque scale.

    Atheism has been tried and found wanting time and again to the tune of well over 100 million dead in the 20th century alone.

    Even Islam for all of its many evils, can’t begin to compare to the state religion of A Theist in both scope and horror of mass murder.

  294. 207 sounded like Jay-walking on The Tonight Show. On the days that I lose my taste for Democracy I long for intelligence tests to be a pre-req for voting.

    James, along the lines of the absurd questions that got serious answers that you posted, I saw some “folks on the street” asked about “the First Lady debates” and that question got serious answers too.

    Pathetic.

  295. Hell, like Romney said, with 47% on the dole (that doesn’t even count people like me who are hired by Nanny), I don’t know how a Dem could ever lose a presidential election anymore. The most glaring down side to Democracy might very well be manifesting itself in front of our eyes. Buy the mob with money stolen from the next generation. Go get um’ Thor!

    Dammit, more foolishness.

    Rabbit, you really think the tax code has changed that much since Bush got elected such that a very sizable number of folks don’t pay Fed income tax? Romney disgraced himself with that 47% shtick and for you to quote it qualifies you for public flogging.

    Reagan and both Bushes were elected with tax codes that let lots of folks not pay Fed income tax. Hell ,… all those “welfare cheats” have been around for decades. So obviously a Republican can get elected in this slacker country of ours.

  296. I surely have. In fact, I first suggested you (and Rabbit) read Special Providence when I first started commenting here, and have provided “many” links since with discussion surrounding. Since he’s a critic of Gore and his fake religion of global warming, I offered much of it when and G-chin ignorantly claimed it settled science.

    This deserved follow up. When you first started coming here? A good two or so years ago no? Tigre, In that time, I’ve struggled to keep my home intact, failed at that, had to sell it, moved to Illinois, transitioned from wrestling with my lungs to struggling with chronic f*cking diarrhea and you really think I can keep track of stuff you posted two years ago!!!!????

    Hey, look despite evidence to the contrary, I do respect you and I pay attention to what you post but a busy life, intervening years and a barely manageable 51 year old brain might actually forget that you posted Mead stuff two f*cking years ago. Graychin hasn’t been here in over a year, for that matter.

    So again, I apologize for failing the final exam two years after the lessons were taught. 😐

    And for those others reading this, some color commentary. When I told Tigre via email that Mead did NOT do a hit-job on Obama in an article that was recommended for me to read, he responds by saying that I accused Mead of doing a hit-job on Obama. And then I’m told I struggle with concepts.

    Time for dinner … no time for me to go bang head against wall.

  297. Hot off the presses. Good read. 😈

    Psychologist Dr. Paul Fick Says Obama Psychologically Damaged ‘Beyond Narcissism,’ Offers Details to Press

    “Some observers have claimed that Obama appears to be narcissistic. He’s way beyond narcissism. Yes, he has narcissistic symptoms, but he also suffers from paranoid tendencies and oppositionalism. This combination makes him a dangerous and destructive president, filled with carefully hidden anger that he is exacting upon America, which he consciously and unconsciously hates,” Dr. Fick explained.

    Obama is not capable of sound judgment, or rational thinking. He uses defense mechanisms to cover his deficiencies, such as projection – he blames others for his failings, according to Dr. Fick.

    “Obama is filled with hate, which developed in his troubled childhood and teen years. His thinking is distorted by victim logic. When he was a teen and in his college years he used drugs and alcohol as his defense mechanism, but now the defense mechanisms he is using are far more destructive. America is at severe risk,” he warned.

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/10/prweb10038230.htm

  298. “This country abandoned blacks the ink on the Declaration of Independence was dry. “-R

    Yeah, but blacks never abandoned blacks until “you people” got to them.

    No, I wont shut the fuck up. Those dead blacks are human beings. Many of them, deep down, have good in them. Ever get to know one of those faceless dead black teenagers?

    I will shut up when you start having the conversation why the black family fell apart in 1976 instead of 1776. Deal?

  299. Are you people paying any attention at all to reality? Rutherford, I’m sure they were cute when they were pups, but now?

  300. “Rabbit, you really think the tax code has changed that much since Bush got elected such that a very sizable number of folks don’t pay Fed income tax? ” -R

    Nope. But I think the amount of people now on welfare and disability has changed drastically since your boy friend was elected. You disagree? Throw in the corporate welfare and government subsidies all stewing in a pot of corrupt stimulus money….and damn…

  301. Tex thank your lucky stars I’m pro first amendment or that Dr. Fick piece would have hit the trash bin.

    Utter garbage.

    😈 I would would probably cry myself to death with joy if they marched The jug eared Chair out in handcuffs in orange jumpsuit to be tried for treason, aiding and abetting Al Qaeda in Syria.

    Looks like that is next on the list of charges for this criminal. Falling apart here at the end, his crimes against humanity finally catching up to his lifetime of corruption.

    Which good man amongst us doesn’t want to see David Axelrod put before a firing squad? Ready! Aim!……..BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM! {wild applause}

    Hey hey hey, goodbye. Just like George Bush…upon exit, smacking The Chair’s head against the top of door to be flown to Leavenworth.

    Remember those good old days, Rutherford where your politic showed it ass serenading George Bush upon exit? I have never forgotten.

  302. Ya gotta hand it to Romney. He said “no, go suck a lemon” and the issue eventually died. In retrospect I have to give him props. We won’t know what’s in those returns until after the election, if ever.

    I know what you’ll find.

    1. He made money.

    2. He made sizable charitable contributions (much, much larger than Obama or Biden).

    3. Neither would be a surprise.

    4. Noted psychic and ethical paragon Harry Reid will still insist that he didn’t pay his taxes. Let me go get my shocked face.

  303. “Tigre via email that Mead did NOT do a hit-job on Obama in an article that was recommended for me to read, he responds by saying that I accused Mead of doing a hit-job on Obama.”

    Again, I regret having given you more credit than you deserve with both your memory and comprehension. You said something to the effect of “liking the tone because it isn’t the usual hit job,” which I understood meant Mead from prior posts and commentary (existing far more recently than 2 years ago).

    Since you can’t connect two comments for context even when made back to back, I should’ve known better than to think you would carry on like your weird Al Sharpton routine with others. Now more of the same childish ankle biting. 🙄

    Why don’t you go ahead and quote what was said rather than playing games by mischaracterizing it? Hell, why don’t you let us know what you’re referring to when you call me an “apologist” for big business while you’re at it too.

    I promise not to email you in the future since you lack the maturity to be trusted with information I give you.

    Pretty sorry, R.

  304. “when I first started commenting here, and have provided “many” links since with discussion surrounding.”

    Since you quoted and still misrepresented what I said with your witty retort, maybe try mouthing the words along next time. You know, to help with all of that reading comprehension you claim to posses but apparently don’t utilize.

  305. Another shout out to &diety by BiW. Let me tell you something … if the current Beck is what you get when you turn to God for help, then it’s no wonder we have such a f*cked up world.

    Yeah, I know. Who would want to be a productive member of society again, and create jobs for hundreds of people when you can fail to recognize that you even have a problem, get bounced from job to job, and having everyone who works with you think you’re an asshole because you can’t see that the problem is with you.

    Yes, R. People who regularaly read the Bible approach the concept of redemption with understanding and realistic expectations, but you don’t have to do that to understand it. Sadly, people like Bathtub Boy can’t get there, because he just doesn’t get it.

  306. Tigre you’ve gotta be kidding? I revealed a sensitive part of your email? I didn’t think you’d mind that being shared.

    As usual YOU misinterpreted what I said. I said the Mead piece was not an Obama hit job unlike most of the stuff you guys recommend. I was not comparing the piece to other Mead pieces. Whenever there’s even a bit of ambiguity in what I write I can depend on you to make the worst interpretation. Then you wonder why our debates are frustrating.

    I call you an apologist for big business because you don’t seem to believe that businesses have any moral responsibility for their employees. I consider that an apologist.

  307. BiW ill grant you that Beck has had a more successful outcome than Olbermann. The world is certainly not the better for it. So God’s work with Beck is at best a Pyhrric victory.

  308. I choose NOT to believe our President is a sociopath. Those of you who disagree with me, felt this way about him the day he was elected.

    Not all of us. I genuinely liked and trusted the guy. Now I’ve come to think he is one. I think Pfesser probably thinks similar.

    But Rmoney is certainly not less of one, in fact he seems more. That was a good video of all his team mates calling him out. Priceless.

    Glenn Beck is a performer and rabble-rouser, occasionally dabbling in truth.

  309. Why Liberals Think What They Do (excerpt that I find especially fitting to describe Liberals Like Rutherford)

    Naiveté

    Large percentages of the population now work for government — federal, state, or local. Millions more are divorced from the tragic world of mining or drilling where nature is unforgiving. That distance has allowed Americans in droves to disengage from both the private sector, where one either makes a profit or goes broke, and the grimy processes by which we live one more day. A San Francisco professor, a Monterey lawyer, and a Sacramento bureaucrat do not know how hard it is to raise beef, grow peaches, find and pump oil and gas, and haul logs out of the forest and into Home Depot as smooth lumber, or what it takes to build a small Ace Hardware business. The skills needed to keep a 7-Eleven viable in a rough neighborhood, I confess, dwarf those of the classics professor.

    In the elite liberal mind, there is instead a sort of progressive Big Rock Candy Mountain. Gasoline comes right out of the ground through the nozzle into the car. Redwood 2x4s sprout from the ground like trees. Apples fall like hail from the sky; stainless steel refrigerator doors are mined inches from the surface. Tap water comes from some enormous cistern that traps rain water. Finished granite counter tops materialize on the show room floor. Why, then, would we need Neanderthal things like federal gas and oil leases, icky dams and canals, yucky power plants, and gross chain saws — and especially those who would dare make and use them?

    Anger, envy, and the primordial emotions

    For some, especially those who are well-educated and well-spoken, a sort of irrational furor at “the system” governs their political make-up. Why don’t degrees and vocabulary always translate into big money? Why does sophisticated pontification at Starbucks earn less than mindlessly doing accounting behind a desk? We saw this tension with Michelle Obama who, prior to 2009, did not quite have enough capital to get to Aspen or Costa del Sol, and thereby, despite the huge power-couple salaries, Chicago mansion, and career titles, felt that others had far too much more than the Obamas. “Never been proud,” “downright mean country,” “raise the bar,” etc., followed, as expressions of yuppie angst. The more one gets, the more one believes he should get even more, and the angrier he gets that another — less charismatic, less well-read, less well-spoken — always seems to get more.

    So do not discount the envy of the sophisticated elite. The unread coal plant manager, the crass car dealer, or the clueless mind who farms 1000 acres of almonds should not make more than the sociology professor, the kindergarten teacher, the writer, the artist, or the foundation officer. What sort of system would allow the dense and easily fooled to become better compensated (and all for what — for superfluous jet skis and snowmobiles?) than the anguished musician or tortured-soul artist, who gives so much to us and receives so much less in return? What a sick country — when someone who brings chain saws into the Sierra would make more than a UC Berkeley professor who would stop them.

    Nihilism

    Finally, we come to a small subset that simply does not like America’s wealth and capitalism, supremacy overseas, and ubiquitous global culture — or at least believes that anything not his own must be far better (an oikophobia or hatred of one’s own household). He bores us with lectures on the wonderful EU, the superior La familia romance of Latin America, the “it takes a village” values of Africa, or the Cairo speech mythologies of the Middle East. Because America is so affluent, it allows so many the luxury to dream of how our wealth is so ill-gotten — as long as quiet others in the shadows ensure that life remains pretty good in San Francisco and Madison. Contrarianism is an innate characteristic, but one indulged without risk, only when the larger tribe is safe and secure.

    In short, twenty-first century elite liberalism has become a psychological condition, not a serious blueprint on how to solve real problems. The president knows that — and so without ideas has been reduced to name-calling and sermons on Big Bird.

    The rest is pretty damn good too…

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/why-liberals-think-what-they-do/

  310. “I am well aware of your anger toward Christianity. That was the heart of your very first post on the Rutherford Lawson blog. zzzzz. The fairies story we have seen a hundred times doesn’t begin to explain why your claims of there being no Creator turn you into rabid, apoplectic rage when challenged.”

    Anger? Apoplexy? Rage? Moi? Hilarious. Pot, meet kettle; kettle, pot. Nobody in THIS discussion is angry except for you. I find religion to be amusing, but sometimes dangerous, and a thing to be carefully watched – nothing more. The fact that I can reach your amygdala and put YOU into a frothy spin at will shows just how primal and primitive a force religion is. LOL. Once again, where are your cites? Show me quotes where I am angry or apoplectic about superstition…more straw man…[tick]

    “Muffy, BIC and I have all made the point at one time or another we find this some form of mental illness on your behalf. Something that does not exist does not warrant discussion in our book. But fairies aside, this issue consumes you.”

    Mental illness? Again, pot – kettle. As has been said before, someone who believes that a guy fathered himself in order to send himself to earth in order to kill himself in order to appease himself for the very sins to which he himself convicted mankind as retribution for having fallen for a trick effected through the agency of a TALKING SNAKE doesn’t get to call other people’s beliefs “mental illness”.

    You say the World Wars and other atrocities were due to atheism; I say they were due to the same reasons they have Always Been: greed, hatred, a desire to rule others – you know, God-given human frailties. You say poe-tay-toe, I say poe-tah-toe. It’s getting kind of boring, this, but I’m not busy today…
    Yaaaawwwwnnnn…..

    But while I’m thinking about it, one thing really DOES piss me off: Now, goddammit, those faeries are REAL! Stop it! My grandbaby is weathering the storm with us; I’m watching her sleep on the couch. The next gloaming, we are going to see them again…ah, good days, these…

  311. “Tex thank your lucky stars I’m pro first amendment or that Dr. Fick piece would have hit the trash bin.”

    R – the First Amendment doesn’t apply here. It’s your blog; post what you want.

  312. Pfesser,

    For all the bravado, you’re not fooling anybody. I doubt even Peter Pan Rutherford is fooled by this one. An old curmudgeon winding down the last years of a meaningless life. I just wish I could be there in your last few breaths to watch that arrogance disappear from that crusty face, me grinning like Heath Ledger in the Joker. 🙂

    Enjoy the grandkid – it will pass like a vapor from here on out.

    And you don’t find religion amusing – you run to other like minded loons in Alaska finding hidden codes in verses, some some juvenile fraternity and sorority party of lost souls. It undoubtedly gives you some measure of comfort to be one of the stinking sardines in the can because you all look and sound the same.

    That’s not confidence in yourself – that’s seeking shelter.

    I could set you off in a huff anytime I wanted to, with you running in circles about conspiracies of theocracy. You need some new material. Your talking snake is as old as your poor childhood with daddy scraping by growing the Christmas tree farm – the years extending further out each time you retell the story. zzzzzzz

    If we Christians were as rabid and primitive as you attest, we’d go through you like shit through a goose and cook your old fat ass on a spit. Don’t give your old blowhard shit about your guns. We’d look like locust coming through that plantation of yours – you couldn’t pull a trigger fast enough. We’d make a fryer out of you. Your vastly outnumbered.

    But trust me – I’m not angry. I’m laughing at you. You of all people will know when I am angry.

    As to the rest, history shows you’re fool of shit in both fact and excuse. I can’t say it better than Rabbit said it to you. I’ll leave it at that.

  313. full….sorry making pancakes and typing on a laptop.

    I like you Pfesser. We would have had some good battles on the court or the field in a younger day. Trash talking deluxe, couple of cheap elbows thrown into the mix, then drink a beer afterwards.

    My lazy ass always needed motivation and people like Yappy and Tool™ biting my ankles don’t cut it. I need somebody to try and cut off my nuts for inspiration. 😛

    I realized how stale I was getting here yesterday. It’s so fucking mundane anymore, and it’s such a bad habit. I’ve run out of home projects.

    And how many ways can you call Obama a loser and major league lout.

  314. Newt. I was a cute puppy, and I am cute now. Ask my wife. The early voting makes my gall badder happy. I can feel it.

  315. Pfessor and Tex, G.Gordon Liddy and Moon Unit Zappa went on the road to debate politics and other issues. Moon spoke like a Valley Girl, and Liddy like a commentator. You two would do as well, and you are both smarter.

  316. Rutherford, Glenn Beck is successful partly by default. He has discussed events like Fast and Furious, Jihadism, and of course Bengazi the main news sellers have ignored.

    Hence Beck is a better news source than they are. That doesn’t mean his interpretation has to be right, but at least he is discussiong the stories. And like Micheal Savage in another way, a listener watches a man venturing to the edge of emotional breakdown and sanity with the fascination of witnessing a car wreck.

  317. I haven’t been here in a while so I don’t know if this was discussed or not. It is clear that Obama’s “Lead from Behind” strategy has failed. Those of us who have ever been leaders or around leaders know that you can’t lead from behind anyway.

    Obama has consistently lied about Benghazi. R, at what point do you accept the fact that this entire administration has been one big lie?

    Report: Hillary Clinton Asked For More Security In Benghazi, Obama Said No…

    AC-130 Gunship Was On-Scene In Benghazi With CIA Officer On Ground Pointing Laser Designator At Target, Obama Admin Refused To Let It Fire…

    CIA Director Petraeus Throws Obama Under The Bus: We Weren’t The Ones Who Denied Military Support To Americans Under Attack In Benghazi…

    P.S. Rabbit, sorry about the brooms. I never saw that coming.

    P.S.S. My Broncos are looking GOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!!!

  318. I hope my World Series prediction is the outlier in my Nostra-Alfie thing.
    Tex I liked the LAT link. I am continually shocked by how decent the LAT can be compared to the other lib-rags.

  319. I have to plead shame on the following,anyone else with me?
    The Benghazi Consulate was attacked two other times in 2012. April 6th and June 6th. There was also an incident where Amb. Stevens was threatened (that I knew of) and due to the credible nature of that threat he altered his lifestyle. This is key…the threat knew his jogging route,apparently put it out on Facebook.
    This kind of stuff should’ve been sending off (and likely was) flares of concern. This all makes the sheer idiocy of the early statements of that fucking video all the more maddening and unbelievable.

  320. Why thank you Tex for taking your valuable time and reposting your superior opinion “again” as I too sometimes have to reread your posts to make sense of them.

    In the future I will try to write in a format that you understand once I figure out what that is but then I’m not the brightest bulb in the room according to you. You are the shining light in the universe.

    I have wondered since in the past you have expressed your disdain for a liberal arts education if there are styles of writing with which you are not familiar.

    FWIW I was not condemning anyone. I was defending Rutherford’s right to his opinion.

    I am so sorry. It must be hard being you.

  321. El Tigre | October 22, 2012 at 7:23 pm:

    “Obama called it terrorism in the rose garden. He called it. There’s the confusion.”

    _____

    Rutherford | October 22, 2012 at 7:26 pm:

    “Dumb Tigre. It’s terrorism regardless.”

    _____

    R, hours ago at 403:

    “Whenever there’s even a bit of ambiguity in what I write I can depend on you to make the worst interpretation. Then you wonder why our debates are frustrating.”

    _____

    Yeah. A real fucking mystery. 🙄 🙄

    It never ends with you.

  322. That was a good link to the LA TImes. The whole Libya situation should blow up in Obama’s face. There is just too much info being put out. Someone is keeping the lid on for another week.
    Gorilla is correct, Obama’s strategy “Lead From Behind” has failed. Leading from behind usually does entail stepping in deep s*it. The facts need to be a major discussion now.
    Alfie, that stuff was sending off flares of concern I’m sure but for FP position regarding Libya it was shoveled under the floor. There has to be a reason for throwing Hillary under the bus.

    Horatio: He waxes desperate with imagination.

    Marcellus: Let’s follow. ‘Tis not fit thus to obey him.

    Horatio: Have after. To what issue will this come?

    Marcellus: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    Horatio:Heaven will direct it.

    Marcellus: Nay, let’s follow him.

  323. I don’t pity him in the least but on a Sandy related front….Isn’t Pres. Obama screwed a little? What I’m looking at is how part of him and his handlers are salivating over the distraction and potential to look good while at the same time he and his have to be wary of appearing to be politicizing it all.
    On another angle….what is the take of the thread residents as to whether the woes of blue NJ and NY should be allowed to potentially mess with Election Day??

  324. Aflie
    I knew of the attack in June, I didn’t know of the attack prior to that. I also knew about the death threats. They were the same threats along with violence that caused Britain pull their Diplomat and personal out along with the Red Cross. There were SO many signs that we needed to at the very least step up security in a major way and probably should have pulled out all together after the second attack for sure.

    Oblama’s only defense so far is that they were in a transition period and that its the Libyans fault because they should have put their own troops into place to supplement that security we had their. Security that Oblama reduced rather than increase when request for more security was requested.

  325. Why thank you Tex for taking your valuable time and reposting your superior opinion “again” as I too sometimes have to reread your posts to make sense of them.

    No surprise there. I practically ignore the rules of grammar. Frankly, after I reread them, I don’t understand half of them. You must really think I take myself seriously, Yapi. A real dangerous man.

    In the future I will try to write in a format that you understand once I figure out what that is but then I’m not the brightest bulb in the room according to you. You are the shining light in the universe.

    A dim bulb is still lit. Always look at the bright side. You could be Rutherford and be dark. 😛 Being a married female, you can appreciate that my own smarter wife lovingly refers to me as Mr. KIA – and that ain’t killed in action around the Taylor House – at least not yet.

    I have wondered since in the past you have expressed your disdain for a liberal arts education if there are styles of writing with which you are not familiar.

    Yours….

    I am so sorry. It must be hard being you.

    Like Sisyphus. Just when I think I’ve slandered all the libs there are, another weed pops its head out of the ground, and I have to start pushing back up the cliff of reeducation holding the Round Up bottle. 😉

  326. Rutherford, you need to grab the rod and reel and get your sorry ass down to the Lake MI shoreline ASAP. Fishing is never going to be better than this afternoon I read. Fish might jump into your arms today, Brother. You need to work on your black bonafides before this election, and I know just the way to do it.

    I’ve never met a black man yet that didn’t like to fish. I even had a black fishing pal once upon a time.

    They tell me fishing is going to be damn good on Lake Michigan.

    Push yourself up close to the shoreline as possible and cast as far as those mighty arms allow. 😈

    P.S. – you might want to where a wind breaker. 😉

  327. I just unearthed this gem:

    That is in part very much his own fault, as he thinks nothing of pontificating on politics and policy without practical experience in either,

    You’re joking right? Oh BiW please share with us your curriculum vitae concerning politics and policy. PLEASE!!!!!

    Face it friend, you do what I do. You write a blog fueled by your OPINION and your biases. So don’t come on here dissing my expertise … expertise I never claimed to have in the first place. The nice thing about having a blog where most of the commenters don’t agree with you is that it keeps your ego in check. Unfortunately, your blog is frequented by sycophants (not including me of course) so you’ve gained the delusion you’re “in the know”.

    You’re a partisan hack. If I were to cite an example of a blog where the author only sometimes goes off the deep end, I’d point to Alfie’s. Alfie makes the effort to objectively assess matters. Kudos to him.

    As for you and me, we’re two peas in a pod dude … we write what moves us. I have no problem with that so long as you don’t pretend otherwise.

  328. Regarding the video at 265, I’ve seen that girl before. “Clever” response to Lena Dunham. But I think it’s funny that Dunham represents the Democrats and “that girl” (who is in bad need of a chin job) represents the Republicans. I’d sleep with Dunham in a heartbeat …. cute, endearing, funny, smart. If “that girl” (so unknown that she is “that girl”) came anywhere near my bedroom I’d call the cops. Snarky, unpleasant, sarcastic and nasty. Just like the Republican party.

    Yes boys, I’d sleep with the Democratic party. I wouldn’t return the Republican party’s phone calls. 😐

  329. I think Lena Dunham is more attractive too, and “that girl”s voice tone is whiny enough to become irritating. However, she nails the Obama campaign’s cnndecending attitude toward women. No wonder you wouldn’t let her near your bedroom. She speaks the truth.

    How would you feel if she said in a low sexy voice “Good morning honey, I just made pancakes.”?

    My favorite is the Russian woman who appeared in the original commercial. She actually voted in the pro Putin video.

    Democrats, not Republicans, are threatening to riot, and now Michael Moore is sponsoring an ad with residents of a nursing home fantasizing about committing violence.

  330. Rutherford, not that you haven’t been told a 100 times in the past, but you really need to fact check your dumb ass before you comment on people and misrepresent them. The girl is not a Republican, and never claimed to be. While your at it why don’t you keep your observations about another persons appearance to yourself if you have nothing nice to say. Crippled bastards in wheelchairs shouldn’t cast stones..just sayin.

  331. To say it’s not worthy of concern until after the election and some process which could be avoided in its entirety if the president wasn’t playing games like he and Biden did at the debates is ludicrous.

    I never said it was not worthy of concern until after the election. It is worthy of concern now. And now is when the investigation is underway. No one is saying “don’t look into this until after November 6”. What I am saying that investigations take time and it is political gamesmanship to rush to a verdict by November 6.

    Do you really think a few words from Obama should stop hearings from taking place? The process shouldn’t be avoided just because the President gives you a different answer than he’s already given. Who are you fooling? You wouldn’t believe him anyway and you’d call for an investigation no matter what Obama had to say … well except for maybe “I resign.”

    Four folks should NOT be dead right now. As I said over at Alfie’s, it was malfeasance at the very least that Stevens was not ordered to go to the slightly safer Tripoli until after the 9/11 anniversary had passed. A proper investigation will get to the bottom of it and those culpable for bad decisions should be counseled or fired.

    If in the meantime, it sends a thrill up your leg to scream TREASON and IMPEACH HIM, etc. etc. be my guest.

  332. “What I am saying that investigations take time and it is political gamesmanship to rush to a verdict by November 6.”

    Idiots…I mean really. How much investigation does it take to find out if Oblama lied? Either he did, or he did not. This could be done with a single interview.

  333. First off any Congressional hearings on this matter have been deferred to the post election time frame,there have not been hearings on this.

    Alfie I beg to differ. I posted earlier in this thread or last, testimony about the Benghazi incident before a Congressional committee. Jason Chaffetz (I’m too lazy right now to check spelling) was on the committee. Furthermore Darryl Issa allowed non-redacted documents to be released during these hearings that have compromised the safety of our Libyan informants.

    So I don’t understand what you mean when you say there have been no hearings on this matter.

    Just a nit … “call me Senator I earned it” I believe is Barbara Boxer, not Feinstein … but they’re both from communist California so you can be forgiven for the confusion.

    Alfie, my only problem with the countries we’ve chosen to intervene in is the selectivity of it. Why Libya and not Syria? I understand that objection. But if we were upset by Hussein gassing his own people, then why would we not be concerned with Gaddafi saying he would wipe out the people of Benghazi? He did say that.

    As for the bigger picture in the region, I still don’t understand folks who want to support democracy in other countries and then get pissed when democracy yields leaders we don’t like. We don’t get to decide the outcome of elections in other countries.

  334. Our blog host just scolded Republicans for politicizing the death of four U.S. citizens, a comment or two above, then turns around to politicize and trivialize the issue of rape.

    The comedy continues. I don’t know why I don’t bring my popcorn with me when I read these threads.

    Tex, I think you have me confused with Todd Akin. What is more trivial than saying that “legitimately raped” women have built in spermicide?

  335. Rutherford: I don’t wish to be unpleasant but I really don’t like the rape chart. Rape is a tragedy, I believe abortion under any circumstances is a tragedy. Just my opinion.

    You’re not being the least bit unpleasant Emily. I can easily see why someone would find the chart in poor taste but it exists to highlight the insanity of what some conservative politicians are saying about rape … very very distasteful stuff.

    Honestly, the more I hear people bash Mourdock the more I think he is getting a bum rap. He expressed what many if not most religious people believe … that a child is a gift from God regardless of circumstance. I think particularly the religious folks who have condemned him should be ashamed of themselves.

    As I’ve said before many times on this blog, I applaud pro-life folks who do not make exceptions for rape or incest. A child doesn’t choose to be fathered by a rapist or Uncle Cleatus. If that child’s life is precious then the only thing that should threaten it is the tradeoff of the health of the mother.

  336. Yes boys, I’d sleep with the Democratic party. I wouldn’t return the Republican party’s phone calls

    Okay, that does it. I’ve had enough of the R.L. baloney.

    YOU LYING SACK OF CRAP ON FIRE…

    You’d leave home like the rest of us pervs if one of those FAUX News girls came knocking, or Bo Derek or Rachel Welch blew you a kiss…

  337. Tex, I think you have me confused with Todd Akin. What is more trivial than saying that “legitimately raped” women have built in spermicide?

    Well, that’s not something I would have said in the middle of a campaign season. 😯

    But is the occasional slip of abject stupidity worse than a nominated sitting President using ‘Corpseman’ three times in a speech to military, Maxine Waters on her best day, Nancy Pelosi telling us that we would need to pass the $2,300,000,000,000.00 bill to see what’s in it, or stealing money from the federal government like Akin’s feckless and corrupt opponent?

    I didn’t hear you condemning anyone of those Dim dimwits, but I repeat myself. Dimmie and Dumb go together like peanut butter and jelly.

    Or are you going to apply those legendary double standards once again?

  338. @ Rutherford 434 You have correctly savaged me a bit but I’d still like to add something.
    In my #281 dated 10/28 I was hyper-focused on Senate hearings and had forgotten the House subcommittee thing to include the slip up revealing CIA assets locations. I don’t know what in your comment or my thinking put me in such overdrive re the Senate v House.
    I have nothing on the Boxer/Feinstein mix up. Typing with temper from pure memory I quite simply confused the two who I loathe equally. Thanks for the clarification,honest.
    As for the closing of my and your comment. Yeah I think Obama is entrenched in a policy set that is not something we want or can deal with over the next 4+ years. I honestly believe Romney would be a change,a positive change based in trade as opposed to the war monger you and others on your side picture him as.
    Interventions past,present and [ugh]future in the region are what they are and the players are not changing anytime soon. ergo the game must change a little. Cowboy diplomacy didn’t play and leading from behind ain’t cutting it either. I firmly,hell near religiously, believe trade is the both at the root of the issues coming and the solution.

  339. And on the dueling video/ideology thing….
    Not for nothing but if voting for anyone generates some connection to making love you are not doing one of the two correctly !!

  340. Tex opined:

    “An old curmudgeon”

    Hey, now, watch it – I’m only twenty-three dog years.

    “And you don’t find religion amusing – you run to other like minded loons in Alaska finding hidden codes in verses, some some juvenile fraternity and sorority party of lost souls. It undoubtedly gives you some measure of comfort to be one of the stinking sardines in the can because you all look and sound the same.”

    Heeehee…the pattern’s always the same – as you begin to lose the argument, the real KoTexPissAnt comes out – it’s all personal, isn’t it? All ad hominem – no argument, no substance – just nothing except the same old slobbering, frothing Internet bully, banned on Websites and blogs alike time after time, safe behind his electronic firewall. What a puss.

    “I could set you off in a huff anytime I wanted to”

    Do it. Say when.

    “If we Christians were as rabid and primitive as you attest, we’d go through you like shit through a goose and cook your old fat ass”

    I’m a lean 215# and I’m only twenty-three dog years. Well, maybe not THAT lean…

    And while I’m at it – what you mean “we,” Paleface?

    “Don’t give your old blowhard shit about your guns.”

    What the fuck are you talking about? You have been all over the road lately, Tex. Either you need to take a break from Rutherford’s, get a job so you can have some meaning in your life OTHER than Rutherfords, or get that prescription filled. Maybe all three.

    “Your vastly outnumbered.”

    My what is outnumbered?

    “But trust me – I’m not angry. I’m laughing at you. You of all people will know when I am angry.”

    As Rutherford has said many times, Let ‘er fly, Bad Boy!”

    “As to the rest, history shows you’re fool of shit”

    I am never fooled by shit. Nor this time, either.

    “I can’t say it better than Rabbit said it to you.”

    It appears you can’t say it at all.

    Cheers,

    Doc

  341. The ambassador to the UN ran on every talk show that would let her that following Sunday and RUSHED to judge…..scratch that…..lie…about a movie.

    Rabbit, what you fail to understand is that I sat there watching Face the Nation and was dumbfounded. I was hearing the same cross talk as everyone else that this was not a reaction to the video. I was dumbfounded about why she would lie.

    Then a week or so later the New York Times (I know, you don’t respect the NYT) clarified that there were mixed signals on the ground that day. Members of the attacking mob were talking about the video. Onlookers said so. It may have been their excuse but that is what some of them were saying. Rice told Bob Schieffer and David Gregory the best intelligence report she had available at the time and she wasn’t going to conjecture beyond that.

    Perhaps I haven’t been clear enough about where I am on this. In the early days of this (the first week) and especially in the immediate aftermath of Rice’s TV appearances, I felt the administration was in deep sh*t. I was believing all the stuff you boys were yelling about. UNTIL the New York Times and then later David Ignatius of the Washington Post put things in perspective.

    I’m sorry gang …. when respected journalists tell me that things are more complicated than we know, I listen to that …. and I see an Obama witch hunt for what it is.

  342. Then a week or so later the New York Times (I know, you don’t respect the NYT) clarified that there were mixed signals on the ground that day.

    Bullfuckingshit. There was no confusion. Our troops were calling in for help saying THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED!!! There was no confusion. They were left to die. There was no confusion. They were abandoned. There was no confusion. Obama is responsible for those 4 deaths, either directly, or due to negligence, or due to incompetence, on this there is no confusion.

    Look at the video timelines posted. These were not confused people guessing. They were making statements telling us what happened. Due to their own incompetence of not securing the compound, CNN found documents that blew their story out of the water. They were caught dead in a lie, of this there is no confusion.

  343. Good thing NASA didn’t THINK ABOUT THINGS after the rocket left the launch pad, or Eisenhower THOUGHT ABOUT THINGS while the boys being shot at on the beachhead.

    No mocking intended Tex … I don’t get this. NASA thinks about things on a second by second basis during their missions … and my God what a bad example since they didn’t think nearly hard enough about those O rings.

    Eisenhower, no doubt one of our greatest Generals thought a hell of a lot about things. His thoughts extended to the danger of the Military Industrial Complex, thoughts that were largely ignored.

    What point were you making?

  344. Pfesser, you’re an old man. A slow, bicycle ridden old man – the days of glory have past on bye and death is at your door. (By the way, I found on down in Houston for you wife she might like 😉 – ironically, it was a radiologist I was talking to an asked about that sat upon it).

    A man’s got to know his limits. Yours are narrow.

    Hell yes I’m going to use ad hominems. You make it personal. Why should I be forced to play by a different set of rules than you do? I apologized for the fool/full. Said I was making pancakes not paying enough attention – pumpkin ones. They were not what I hoped, but they were edible.

    Those toads that swell up in Alaska over gross mischaracterizations of scripture that you’ve latched on to, crawled upon their backs, and copulated with over the course of a few years are as crazed as any radical Mullah.

    They just don’t have to the balls or the biggins’ to act upon their boasts. I know they are full of shiite. That’s why I laugh at them – they’re loons and zealots for a lost cause. Like I said, shit through a goose if they want to start a rumble.

    And neither do you.

    So what else you want to talk about? Are you snowed in, or is that just your old stomping ground?

  345. I don’t know what point Tex was trying to make. Its not my business to know. Mine is be prepared. As I wrote a day or so ago,think long and include every known contingency. Rehearse at least several plans for each event and assume the worst. If one is a ski racier, for example, he/she will replay each turn on the run while still at the starting gate,

    The goal is to do most of the thinking ahead of time so one can react with little thought during an emergency. Knowing this explains why I am still alive and frisky. A lesson ignored seems to explain why four men are dead.

  346. Obama was Nixonesque. He and his administration lied and stonewalled. People died. Impeachment is a trial, not an execution. Obama should be impeached, and during the trial we will learn what actually happened.

    James, congressional hearings are where we learn what actually happened. Impeachment is reserved for trying the President for an actual crime. Even if I agreed with you that Obama lied to the American people, that is not a crime. There was sufficient evidence to conclude that Richard Nixon tried to cover up a felony (a botched robbery at the Watergate). That is a crime.

  347. Rutherford didn’t ask for patience concerning a court verdict. Rutherford condemned George Zimmerman immediately as executioner.

    Just as you are doing to Obama.

  348. Andrew Johnson, unlike Nixon and Clinton, did not commit a crime, in my opinion, and yet he was impeached.Obama did not lie under oath, so I agree it was not technically a crime. However, I think Impeachment would find the truth faster and more publicly than several Congressional investigative committees. We both know that will never happen, and this will drag on for months at least.

    David Ignacious and the New York Time are singing the song of weakness. Of course it was confusing with conflicting signs, but had authority figures been prepared, they would have made a quick decision to save at least some of the men. We had the forces with two hours away or closer.

    You might want to Google Bob Kerry and how he won his Medal of Honor. He led his rangers into a kidnapping which went bad, possibly through a mistake. They didn’t mull over various decisions and their ramifications, they acted on instinct and saved themselves, even if they had to kill some noncombatants.

    The timing places us in an uncomfortable position. Suppose you are a store owner and a man charged with robbery applies for a job. Do you wait until after the trial to hire him, or do you take a chance?

  349. The interview R was referring to that was aired this morning had Obama denying that he knew what happened.

    I’ll have to see if MoJo has made the interview available in one unedited sequence. I saw bits and pieces yesterday morning and he was never asked if he knew what happened. So how could he deny what he was never asked? He stated WE don’t yet know fully what happened. And at this point, until I see it from a reputable news source, I don’t believe anyone who says Obama did know exactly what happened and when he knew it.

  350. Rutherford, the image of your wearing a black beret and slapping a cane against the palm of your hand is as funny as my friend’s picturing my uncle wearing a Viking helmet. No disrespect, but the mental picture is funny.

    No disrespect taken. If you actually KNEW me, you’d pee your pants laughing.

  351. We do have the “Don’t waste your vote – free smoke, pizza and drink for Romney booth next to the voting precinct in case anyone is interested.

    As good citizen, I have told my black neighbors, all of them, to not forget to vote on Nov. 7th, as Obama needs all the help he can get. 😈

    LOL that gave me two chuckles. First the only folks who could possibly vote for Romney would have to be bribed with pizza and beer. 😆

    As for the November 7, sadly your joke is not such a joke. Hispanics ARE receiving post cards in the mail reminding them to vote on THE WRONG DAY. A disgusting bunch of folks in this country. I’ve been tweeting to tell Hispanics to forget about the “number” and simply vote on Tuesday. I said so on my Internet radio show today also.

  352. Naperville?

    Blech. Too close to Chicago.

    It all depends on whether you like the suburbs BiW. Naperville is nothing like Chicago, it’s an hour away, and as I say, if you like suburban living, it is quite nice. It reminds me very much of Long Island where I spent much of my childhood. My only gripe is I don’t have enough space. If I could have taken my old house and planted it here, I’d be one very happy camper.

  353. I don’t believe anyone who says Obama did know exactly what happened and when he knew it.
    I’m actually going to toss you a small bone here Rutherford. I for one will readily concede that things do indeed get a little hectic around the Oval office from time to time. The flip side of this is three-fold though.

    First President Obama clearly has the same mechanisms of personnel,depts. etc. that other POTUS’s have had and readily points this fact out ie the OBL raid and the drone kill list thing for two great examples. This dovetails into the second part.
    Given that the systems obviously do exist where exactly along the long line of FUBAR that Libya is should someone have known,or in fact did know, something up to and including BHO?
    This in turn plays to #3. The Administrations obvious play regards organized terrorist act as opposed to sordid response to the movie.
    Rutherford I understand your reasoning/desire for responsible juris action as it were. I guess what I am asking is;Don’t you see where so much appears to be screwy here?

  354. Rutherford didn’t ask for patience concerning a court verdict. Rutherford condemned George Zimmerman immediately as executioner.

    Just as I am doing to Obama? No, I don’t accuse Obama of sodomizing and strangling Chris Stephens or being his executioner like you did George Zimmerman of being executioner.

    What I am calling Obama is liar, coward and incompetent CiC. Obama is clearly guilty of gross negligence and nonfeasance.

    Unlike the Trayvon™ brouhaha, we know most but not all the facts on this one. It’s all on video. It’s on tape. We know additional security was denied and in fact minimized shortly before the tragedy. We know special forces were available and one hour away. We know we had assets in the air that weren’t allowed to fire. And we know the two Seals were killed several hours after the initial attack. We are determining who is responsible for the denial of additional security, but the assumed culprit is currently Obama, who turned down a Hillary Rotten Clinton request.

    Obama, Rice, Jarrett, and Carney were guilty of lying for the better part of two weeks. We need to determine who else was complicit in the coverup and our media so corrupted, they are assisting in the coverup. There should be a Congressional hearing and grand jury called with sworn testimony.

    The facts are not really in dispute and it clear Obama and his staff have covered up the ineptness and sociopathic nature of this administration in the attempt to save the narrative of Al Qaeda decimated. This event makes Obama look like the clear failure he is – only this time, people died on account of the failure. Obama is trying to run out the clock to save his reelection. If people knew the truth, Obama would most definitely lose next week. It reeks of dysfunction.

    I find all of this when proven as an impeachable offense but not treason. Now if we find out Obama was transferring weaponry to combat Assad, that is a different issue and I would consider that treason.

    But the fastest way to remove Obama from office is simply vote him out. If America doesn’t vote Obama out now, then I give up on America and we deserve to fade from glory.

    I said four years ago a redo of Jimmy Carter. Unfortunately, that would have been the best case scenario two years. Obama has managed to become the worst President in U.S. history.

  355. Tex regarding 356, interesting update on germs. I won’t quibble with you … having a f*cking hole in your neck that was not intended to be there, can’t be an overly good thing. 🙂

    But let me run this by you … is it not true that the “germ assortment” you find in your own home is much safer than that of a hospital? I’ve been told that your body is used to most of the nasties in your living environment and that hygienic precautions at home can be a bit more lax than they might be in a hospital. Any truth to that?

    By the way, I am pretty hygienic when it comes to the stoma. Whenever I get the trach swapped out (thrice a year) the doc is always amazed at how good the stoma looks.

  356. Obama watched our people die and refused to send help because he was afraid a failed rescue mission would hurt his political prospects.

    If I believed that, I would be outraged. I don’t believe it and won’t until a credible news source tells me it is true.

  357. However, when Jolting Joe Biden is going to Pennsylvania on Thursday, and Bill Clinton is heading for Minnesota, you might want to take note that what is generally considered solidly blue states in the worst of times might indicate not all is right in Mudsville.

    On this, I agree. It does give me pause. I fear the Robot may indeed be nipping at the Messiah’s heels.

    Next Tuesday is gonna be WILD!

  358. Have I confided in the blog a few times with my own existential doodles, some of them doubtful? Yeah, I have. And almost every time you, not BiC, not Tex, not Muffy, have tried to force me to some conclusion.

    Mmmm, I’ve consciously tried not to take advantage of your occasional religious ambiguity but I admit I’ve probably failed. I admire the fact that you’re willing to admit doubt. I can’t swear I haven’t prodded you to consider it more.

    But I can swear that Tex (not BiW or Muffy) has jumped on your wavering like a fly on sh*t. I can’t quote chapter and verse and don’t feel like doing the research to back up my claim but I’ve seen Tex gently prod you toward the light. The reason I know this is that I was tempted to counter his prods …and very well may have. As I said, I may be guilty of what you charge me.

  359. I DO believe it so I should be outraged. Time will tell which of us is right.

    One thing about outrage and anger is it should be a tool to be used when it is needed. Otherwise, anger is corrosive and gives the object of your anger unwitting power over you. Don’t let anyone harsh your mellow. We were so lame in the sixties.

    Right now, if Obama bothers me, I listen to Return of the Mack or Little Talks by Monsters and Men.

  360. Rutherford I’d say hands down you’re safer in your home or neighborhood than the hospital ;however,you are at the disadvantage of having a vector for things that your body would otherwise laugh at. In hospital or out of hospital staph A for instance is pretty much a non-issue. Get a trach,colostomy or some other simple entry point and the same bug is like freakin’ Superman

  361. I always hate to predict politics Rutherford, because in today’s 24/7 world things are so fluid, but if things remain as they are and something doesn’t stop the trending, I give it a one in three chance Romney wins big and starts carrying most if not all of these swing states. Beginning to look that way from here.

    What is strange is I can see Romney winning much larger than any of you libs even dream, and Republicans actually losing seats in the Senate.

    That’s how screwed up things are anymore. And in some ways, if Repubs don’t win the Senate, I’m not sure things change much politically. We’ll still be f…ed.

    I can see Romney hitting 330+ electoral votes if it keeps trending like it has the last 48 hours. I’m now watching closely.

    I give it a two in three chance that Ohio is winner take all because I think only 3-5% of the vote now in question. Maybe by this weekend, I’ll be willing to do my Nate Silver routine.

    What won’t happen I can guarantee is Obama winning big, unless you guys have about 8-10% of dead men walking, resurrect ACORN, shipping in the illegals, mass smoke and drink, and the like. And though I don’t think you would be party to voter fraud, I do think about 80% of the Dimocratic Party rank liars and Hitler like youth that would do anything to win. And I do mean anything.

    They are really are my enemy. I would go to war with them. Real war. And I wouldn’t blink to vaporize a head or two.

    Yep, I haven’t been joking when I tell you that I find the Left Wing of the Dimocratic Party some of the absolute worst people on earth – in any country, in any place.

  362. I fear that no matter what the electoral count nor what the conditions on the ground on the East Coast are, the MSNBC narrative will be that Sandy disenfranchised millions and stole the election. That’s if Willard wins.

    This worst part of this storm will be the political one.

  363. Rutherford, will you even give Romney a chance as President? I tried with Obama. I swear I did.

    But, on the first day the he was already declaring Gitmo closed. Knowing the insanity of such an executive order, I was enraged by evening time of day one. Of course, a few months sitting at the big boy table and the clown realized his order was silly.

  364. your claims of there being no Creator turn you into rabid, apoplectic rage when challenged.

    Maybe my memory is lapsing again. I’ve never and I repeat NEVER seen Pfesser go into a rabid apoplectic rage over religion or the lack of it. I think this is some projection on your part Tex since you have indeed gone off the deep end when one of your religious hot buttons was pressed one too many times.

  365. Remember those good old days, Rutherford where your politic showed it ass serenading George Bush upon exit? I have never forgotten.

    Well, you can hold a grudge if you please. I said quite explicitly at the time that I was mortified and ashamed of the behavior of the libs at the inauguration. The “hey hey goodbye” folks don’t represent me or the liberal movement.

  366. “I don’t believe it and won’t until a credible news source tells me it is true.” Rutherford

    The entire media, except for two dudes, refused to investigate what happened at the Watergate Hotel.

    In this case, the facts are out there.

    At least admit this, your so called “credible” news sources aren’t being so “investigative” on the eve of this election.

    I wonder why.

  367. Yeah, I’d find it really funny if I had a daughter.

    I have a daughter and I do find the video both funny and kinda cute. If my daughter was 21 years old or so and made such a video I’d have a chuckle.

  368. That was a good video of all his team mates calling him out. Priceless.

    Yes, Poolman it was and it spoke volumes about the rank hypocrisy at the core of the process.

    I watched a HuffPo interview with Jon Huntsman the other day (conducted by his daughter and Howard Fineman) and it frustrated the crap out of me. Huntsman agrees with virtually NOTHING Romney stands for but he endorses the man for POTUS. WTF?????

    If I’m not mistaken even after the convention, Ron Paul has still not endorsed Romney. Am I right? Gotta give the man props for that.

  369. In this case, the facts are out there.

    Rabbit, what facts???? Tex points us to a piece that makes the ridiculous claim that Bill Clinton urged his wife to torpedo Obama’s campaign by releasing some secret State documents. You believe that sh*t????

    May I remind you that the two dudes who outed Watergate worked for a reputable newspaper, The Washington Post. They didn’t work for The Blaze. 😐

  370. Times have changed. Today, Woodward and Burnstein would have worked for the Blaze or similar rag if they ihvestigated a Democrat, and for the Washington Post if their victim was a Republican.

  371. Yes, Rutherford, as shocking as it seems that a candidate would try to convince crowds that his/her opponent was someone different from real life, it happens. 457

    The Obama campaign spent last summer and millions of dollars convincing the electorate that Romney was the incarnation of General Bullmoose.The Romney campaign threw its own mud, but his effort was less effective.

    The first debate revealed Romney to be someone else and that Obama was not the light master people believed him to be. The ediface began to crumble.

    The Kerry-Fisher contest is playing the same way as both candidates in their own images.

  372. G, two out of three of your links in 415 don’t work … thankfully. 🙂 Probably from a garbage source like the Weekly Standard (your third link). 🙂

    LOL from the Weekly Substandard article:

    did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?

    This is a great rhetorical trick used by Fox and the other rag sources. Instead of asking a legit question, the question takes the form of a statement turned into a question … to plant an idea in the readers mind.

    Example: “What was your involvement with the young girl?” vs
    “There are folks who say you raped the young girl, did you?”

    Insidious journalism. Plant the idea instead of seek the truth. That is why I wipe my a$$ with the Weekly Standard and Pajamas Media.

  373. I’ve never met a black man yet that didn’t like to fish.

    Huh???? Blacks don’t like the water dude. And what fishing hole did you ever find in the inner city?

    I went fishing a couple of times as a kid. I’m ambivalent about it.

  374. You’d leave home like the rest of us pervs if one of those FAUX News girls came knocking

    OK I confess I wouldn’t kick Megyn Kelly out of bed for eating crackers. And I have a bit of a thing for SE Cupp. 🙂

  375. Not for nothing but if voting for anyone generates some connection to making love you are not doing one of the two correctly !!

    LOL I’ll let you have the last word on that one ….. that was funny and true.

  376. Detroit River has huge Walleye and Crappie and is heavily fished by blacks.

    Most of the rust belt inner cities are right next to the water.

  377. Rutherford, here are the only facts I believe to be true.

    An organized terrorist group attacked America in Libya. Their security was severely botched. And, despite having obvious evidence (I’m told live video), the administration pretended it was a spontaneous mob.

    You realize Carney went as far as saying America wasn’t attacked? That it was just a temper tantrum that happened to kill unlucky Americans, as if it was a strong storm.

    Dude. Wtf.

  378. Suppose you are a store owner and a man charged with robbery applies for a job. Do you wait until after the trial to hire him, or do you take a chance?

    Good question. If I found out he was charged by the police then I’d probably not take the risk.

    The trick is Obama hasn’t been charged by anyone but his enemies. I’m not sure we’re in an equivalent situation.

  379. ” I’ve never met a black man yet that didn’t like to fish.

    Huh???? Blacks don’t like the water dude. And what fishing hole did you ever find in the inner city? ” ~Uncle Tom aka Clueless.

  380. You’re right, Rutherford, my analogy isn’t perfect. However, if you consider Susan Collins and Joe Liebermans” committee investigation to be equivalent to police work without charges filed yet, it would be close.

    We have a farm. “A River Runs Through it.” Blacks and whites from Omaha come up to fish,. They must catch something because they keep coming back.

  381. Noah mentioned Uncle Tom. Our town once had an Uncle Tom road show. They traveled across the country and Canada. In winter, they put on shows for the locals. The cast was large, and the black band members and actors were so well accepted that some of our community has mixed white and black ancestors. Everyone knows whom, but nobody cares. The mixed Indians tend to brag about it.

  382. I guess what I am asking is;Don’t you see where so much appears to be screwy here?

    Alfie I think the circumstances surrounding this make it a field day for skeptics. We have a President with a better than average track record with terrorists. Hence we have a President with a reputation to protect at election time. Ain’t that fertile ground for skeptics to assume we will get nothing but spin from the White House? Hell … that was MY initial take especially after Susan Rice hit the airwaves. But every time I’m tempted to assume the worst, folks who are respected say that THEIR contacts in intelligence have information that explains Rice’s statements.

    Regarding the “fog of war”, let us not forget that right before Libya exploded we had a violent protest in Cairo that no one has refuted was caused by the video. It is only natural to assume the same cause in another Muslim country. And if “mobsters” on the ground in Benghazi told onlookers that they were pissed about the video, then that feeds that narrative.

    Let me put it this way. If I were Obama with one of my main calling cards being “tough on terrorists”, I’d be damn thorough before I started saying “wow I totally screwed up”. Everyone says Obama is blaming everyone else. In the debate, he said he has responsibility for this. He said very clearly “Hillary works for me.”

    I refuse to get my information from Daily Caller, Weekly Standard, The Blaze, World Nut Daily or Fox News. I simply will not judge Obama or any of these events based on publications with a clear partisan agenda. That’s why I’ve mostly stopped reading the links being posted in this thread.

    History shows that scandals usually see the light of day eventually. Watergate did, Iran-Contra did, Lewinsky-gate did, no WMD’s did. If Obama showed reckless disregard for the life of Christopher Stevens and his colleagues, we will find out about it. In due time.

  383. There should be a Congressional hearing and grand jury called with sworn testimony.

    Bring it on! Beats the crap out of Fox News and World Nut Daily. But I’ve got news for you, the hearing and grand jury can’t meet the timetable you so desperately want met. Can’t happen by next Tuesday. 😉

    Now if we find out Obama was transferring weaponry to combat Assad, that is a different issue and I would consider that treason.

    Huh??? How would that be treason? We oppose Assad. What the hell are you talking about? In fact YOUR candidate, Mitt Romney says we should be arming the Syrian opposition.

  384. “Alfie I think the circumstances surrounding this make it a field day for skeptics.”

    Very telling that he cannot even accept responsibility for someone else. Cannot admit that their is even the possibility that his Messiah might be wrong. It HAS to be the skeptics that are at fault.

  385. credible sources..blah blah blah…skeptics…blah blah blah. Cannot…will not…admit the Dimocrats can be at fault for anything on any level. It is us that are the problem for questioning a deity.

    “I’ve got news for you, the hearing and grand jury can’t meet the timetable you so desperately want met. Can’t happen by next Tuesday. ;-)”

    This joker is happy that his Messiah might get away with being elected just in time to avoid impeachment and being disqualified as President. He isn’t able to see past the end of his nose the consequences of a Joe Biden President for 4 years. Cripple or not this is why he gets no pass from me.

  386. Tex you won’t get a prediction argument out of me. In fact, I think a 1 in three chance of Romney surprising everyone and barely winning the swing states is a reasonable conjecture. I also agree Obama will be no 1984 Reagan. No landslide. The networks are talking up the 2000 scenario big time of popular vote to Mitt and electoral to Obama. Damn that will be f*cking ugly.

    I’ll be honest, I am filled with anxiety. It’s not just about seeing “my man” win. It’s about the aftermath. I don’t see a good November 7 regardless of what happens. And where I used to dismiss you totally on this Tex, I now fear a race riot if Obama loses. The Matthews of the media have ginned up the racist angle (not without SOME justification) far too much and I fear it might be enough to tip an already economically broken minority.

    Then of course, we will also have a shape-shifting liar for President and that truly scares the crap out of me.

    If Obama wins, your camp will double down on the affirmative action President (MUST be cos he’s black … what other reason could we reelect a Prez with 7.8% unemployment???)

    No, we have tough times ahead. The 1960’s are back. Tensions are high. Bad things seem more likely to happen than any time in recent history.

    Like I said … my anxiety level is up there.

  387. 471 and 472: Rabbit, yes I think Sandy may be a factor in this election. The disenfranchisement angle is there and so is the behavior of the candidates. Obama, quite frankly, is acting as he should, presidential. Chris Christie one of Romney’s strongest surrogates is singing Obama’s praises loudly right now.

    Mitt on the other hand can’t get out of the 1950’s, trying to collect food and clothing for the Red Cross. They don’t want it … they can’t use it … they don’t have the logistics to distribute it. They want MONEY. I’m sure poor Mitt thinks he’s helping and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he is trying to transcend politics, but again … he doesn’t keep his finger on TODAY. He does what he thinks works … from a 1950’s playbook. He could’ve asked the Red Cross, “how can I help?” Instead he just went ahead. It’s like Great Britain all over again … thinks he’s offering an expert opinion and being helpful but totally tone deaf to how it will go down.

    472: If Mitt wins, I will have no choice but to give him a chance. And if it were only Mitt then perhaps the worst I could fear is the stuff from the above paragraph … a series of well intentioned blunders. But it’s not only Mitt. It’s Dan Senor. It’s John “Got Milk?” Bolton. It’s Grover Norquist. Mitt will bring all of the puppeteers. They scare me.

    I started this blog in 2007 and despite accusations to the contrary, I wrote very little about George W, Bush. I started focusing on the Democratic race for the nomination almost immediately. It will be an interesting challenge to write this blog during a Romney administration and not devolve into a Keith Olbermann. You guys think I have no integrity. I know better. Fairly assessing the Romney admin will be the proof of the pudding.

  388. James, regarding 482 … Romney created his own monster by trying to out-right everyone of his opponents during the primaries. When it came time for the POTUS debate, he swung moderate so suddenly that 20% of the population is being treated for whiplash.

    Who is the real Romney? The severe conservative who attacked everyone from Gingrich to Perry to Santorum as too soft and leftist or the guy telling Obama in a debate that he will keep the pre-existing conditions part of Obamacare, a lie his campaign had to walk back afterwards.

    I’ll say this …. I owe Rabbit a huge apology because Rabbit exhibited the same behavior as 90% of the country. Most people got their first real look at Romney in that first debate with Obama and got bamboozled by the sudden Moderate Mitt. I called Rabbit a fool … I should have called him prescient. No lie.

  389. No way R. Blacks love to fish.

    OK … this prompts an anecdote. I’ll try to be brief but it demonstrates what a lousy brotha I really am.

    One day in the first year of our marriage, my wife (who you might recall is white) and I were having a conversation about comedy and I started riffing on “Kill my landlord — C I L L MY LANDLORD”. My wife said “yeah Eddie Murphy was funny when he did that skit on SNL.” I said, “Ehhhh no, that was Damon Wayans on ‘In Living Color'” She stuck to her guns and I stuck to mine. For some reason, rather than look it up on the net, I insisted on calling my best friend who happened to be black. In the back of my mind I’ve got two things going on … one: I KNOW MY TV so she’s got to be kidding challenging me on this … and two: this white girl is gonna tell me about a black skit????

    My friend said, “oh yeah, that was Eddie Murphy”. Sure enough, my wife was right … it was Eddie Murphy as Tyrone Green. I had him confused with Damon Wayans as Oswald Bates. Bottom line … I learned right then and there that I needed to turn in my black membership card. My wife laughs at me to this day over that incident.

    Tyrone Green:

    Oswald Bates:

  390. Rutherford…do you have any idea how weak, childish and uninformed you can be sometimes?

    I just happened for a few minutes to have watched your beloved MSLSD tonight out of boredom. You just mouthed the words almost directly from that insufferably stupid Ed Schultz and that hag Joan Walsh concerning Romney and Sandy. I mean almost verbatim.

    Here’s the status quo: Charges are leveled against Obama. And instead of defending against or denying the charges, you attack the source, truth be damned. Never fails. You think I’m kidding you when I call you toady? You’re a cult lackey, a shoe shine boy polishing the boots and the nobs of the hate mongers at MSNBC; hanging on the MSNBC meme – only your cult happens to be lackey of four or five nightly rejects few admire and most abhor. A bunch of ingrates and Soros holes.

    That scoliosis you suffer is apparently a wooden rod shove up your ass so you can dance on the string of your liberal puppet masters.

    Romney backs off the campaigning for a couple of days, loans his bus and his assets, and does a whole lot more than collect can goods, while asking for donations to the Red Cross for the victims. And what do you do? Criticize him and attempt to make it political.

    I don’t want to hear another line of bullshit from you about your anxiety of a race war – how we need to pull together as a country, everything stops at the water’s edge. Bullshit. You assholes would let millions hang in the wind to die if it bought you an election. That’s Iraq and hoping for military deaths all over again so you can score a few points.

    Cowards like you, assured themselves safe from the frontlines, have been stroking animosity and fear for years because you have convinced yourselves you’re untouchable and others will do the dirty work. Think again.

    I swear it is at moments like this I would kick my own ass, if possible. I actually have given you a degree of lenience and tolerance since 2008, believing you’re just some sheltered lamb and woefully naive; so naive, a boy thinking taking vacations to see the sites has made you worldly.

    During the last year, I have come to recognize that you have the capacity to be so reprehensible when the curtain drawn and apparently so void of compassion but a political cause you’ve become immersed in and controlled by, it necessary to operate and facilitate by facetiously projecting yourself as some nice man just misunderstood by your political adversaries.

    No wonder you polish the nob of Obama while he pisses on you, junior. You’re cut from the same cloth of me, mine, and I.

    Your more than some black liberal with a chip on his shoulder about grievance by birthright. You’re a red diaper baby, weaned from the cradle to hate. You represent the worst of both worlds, pal.

    As to the rest of your uninformed opinions and words without knowledge, do you have any idea the charges leveled as to who it was being armed in Syria to dispatch Assad, fool?

    Al Qaeda.

  391. Yes, Rutherford, Romney drifted right to win the Republican primary. However, the Obama campaign built on that image and created an unfeeling patrician who liked to fire people or send their jobs to China. They told us he was a virtual felon and even let people die. The press cooperated with more negative stories about Romney than not.

    As I wrote before, the first debate showed Romney was different than the propaganda, and people who wanted an alternative to Obama began to reconsider.

    I think the real Romney is the moderate who knows how to out maneuver a lifetime of business opponents. Unlike Obama, he also knows how to make deals with political enemies.

  392. Rutherford, look at Bittersweet Symphony by the Verve. its the song our son selected for my ring tone. it is also Romney.

    “I can change I can change I can change
    But I’m here in my moment
    I am here in my moment,
    I’m a million different people
    from one day to the next.”

  393. “You guys think I have no integrity.”

    NO I once thought you had integrity, until you proved to everyone here that you do not. You took your integrity away from yourself by ignoring any question that showed your Messiah in a bad light. You took your integrity with your inability to objectively question anything Oblama does. This isn’t a title anyone gave you, this is one you earned through your own deeds. So stop blaming us for your own shortcomings.

    Tex
    I don’t know if you listen to Ed Schultz. I listen to him 3-4 times a week on the ride home on AM radio. I would say, in the last 2 months especially, Rutherford has gotten most of his material from Schultz, to the point of plagiarism, as he never gives him credit. This wasn’t always the case but the more unhinged R gets, the more he has quoted this guy almost word for word on numerous occasions.

  394. The stupid MSNBC attack on Romney’s efforts to marshal some relief for the storm victims is a new low. Everything they said about his efforts is dead wrong and easily identified as such. Way to spit in the faces of the people that turned out to contribute too. R, you haven’t got one gram of objectivity in buying into it.

  395. CNN is full of shit as well. One lady was asking “do the American people want Romney who doesn’t know how to manage, or Obama and the democrats who can run a lean mean money saving machine? The choice is clear.”

    Then on MSNBC in an interview with a spokesman for the power company, asked him if the growing trend in super storms will change policy as it is a clear case of climate change and asked how it was going to effect his industry. The guy looked at him like a nut for a second before responding.

  396. Noah,

    As you have already determined, Rutherford is a pawn on Progressive chess board – a small role player, race hustler and propagandist to distribute Journolist talking points. His role, like Thor’s role, is to play big fish in our little pond of gaming numbers, distort the record, skew the facts, and sometimes simply play dumb to the situation at hand by projecting into the inane.

    Best I can tell as I seldom tune into MSNBC, Rutherford’s line is an amalgamum of Morning Joe’s leftist guests, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, Chaz Maddow, with a small bit of NYT and WaPO as bit player.

    This is the typical defense – don’t try to defend the dismal results and failures as you can’t; attack the questioner’s credentials, including the personal to divert attention from the massive problems at hand. Follow that with inaccurate historical analogy and reference to throw off the scent while being hunted. Fool the masses of gullible with promises of free stuff while demonizing the opponent.

    It’s actually an effective weapon when out of power. Let’s face it. Most Americans are not terribly informed – huge flocks of bleating sheep.

    And nobody lies better than the Left.

    The biggest whopper in Obama’s words is these leftist guests like Rutherford who like to pose the Left as the intellects.

    And you will note the forums of these intellects are talk shows, DJs, MTV, and talking heads of group think who either talk over their guests, or as Chris Matthews is fond of doing, filibuster with spittle.

    Occasionally, Rutherford will diverge into the most deluded and confused material of Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, and the incomparably stupid sites Newt posts from. This is usually the option of last resort, though.

    The irreligious bit is his mommy and phrases he’s heard from the feckless he has run with in academia over the years.

    Here’s a 13 year old girl who could destroy Rutherford in debate:

  397. “I call you an apologist for big business because you don’t seem to believe that businesses have any moral responsibility for their employees. I consider that an apologist.”

    Well that clears it up. 🙄

    I have said what exactly?

  398. Great video Tex thanks for sharing it, I will do the same.

    What gets me about Leftists efforts, R included, is that they have to by default think the majority of people are stupid not to see the duplicity of their talking points. They don’t even try to hide it. You can listen to a story on the news slamming Republicans for doing something, then the very next story commend Dimocrats for doing the same thing on another topic.

    I think this time around people are noticing when a question is ignored and take it as a negative. On my facebook page I have a little contest going. I have $50.00 bet for anyone who can show me a Liberal having a discussion on Obama’s record that doesn’t include blaming someone else and doesn’t degenerate into personal attacks. 3 months in I have had 17 submissions and zero winners. Not just because I say so, but because I can point to a direct case where one of those two rules were violated. Normally what I get is a clip that I can go out and find a longer version that violates the rules..dishonest bastards.

  399. Rutherford…do you have any idea how weak, childish and uninformed you can be sometimes?

    And so comment 506 begins … another grand statement from Tex. Tex I realize I do serve you a purpose. I provide you with a forum to wax eloquent and grandiose on the failings of liberalism, with me your key piece of evidence.

    Regarding Syria … one of the problems with arming “the opposition” is we don’t always know who the opposition is. And I repeat YOUR candidate wants to arm the opposition.

    Not for nuthin but wouldn’t a wooden rod shoved up my ass HELP my scoliosis? 😉

    Oh …. I never said traveling made me worldly. I just said it doesn’t exactly make me “sheltered”.

  400. 520= attack the other side, take no responsibility or dare to discuss what is reality for us and the rest of the world, Oblama’s current policies.

  401. I think the real Romney is the moderate who knows how to out maneuver a lifetime of business opponents. Unlike Obama, he also knows how to make deals with political enemies.

    James, yes and no. I agree that Romney is probably a moderate. I think above all else he’s practical and calculating. But the deal making with political enemies has no evidence to back it up. Romney vetoed a record number of legislative initiatives while in MA and had those vetoes overridden a record number of times. Health insurance reform is about the only true bipartisan effort that he succeeded at.

  402. James if you truly believe that verse from Bittersweet Symphony represents Romney, I don’t know how you can vote for him.

    BTW, do you know if Jill Stein from the Green Party will be on your ballot? I think I heard she’s on 80% of the ballots around the country.

  403. “All I can say folks is enter the theater of Tex’s mind at your own risk.”

    You mean a place where every question gets answered and answered honestly? Where do I buy a ticket?

  404. I saw that MSNBC was ripping on Romney for working with the Red Cross and I thought to myself Rutherford will once again not have the critical thinking skills to dismiss classic poppycock partisan drivel. I was right!

    Dude……he is so far gone. His mind is so warped!

  405. Happy Halloween! Just ain’t the same round here ever since the burning and looting stopped. And now to slow the site up….some horrible Halloween type music nobody will enjoy.

  406. And so comment 506 begins … another grand statement from Tex. Tex I realize I do serve you a purpose. I provide you with a forum to wax eloquent and grandiose on the failings of liberalism, with me your key piece of evidence.

    With this, we are in complete agreement.

    Do you know that I just said this very thing on BIC’s blog, before ever reading your answer? I consider that no mere coincidence. I am glad you understand why I use your name often. But don’t kid yourself – there’s no flattery intended; no more so than I use Obama’s name in vain quite frequently. However, Obama does have one superior quality to you – I don’t remember him making sport of faith. In fact, even he understands the power. Perhaps that awaits us when he is removed from office.

    I’ve never found a more useful bad example of Leftist judgment, position, justification, and philosophy than you. And since you’ve become something of a D grade celebrity within the blogs we frequent, and since your positions do indeed provide perfect testimony to the failure of liberalism, I do reference you as bad example often. 😉

  407. “If left to a popular vote of the adults in this country, I feel quite certain Roe V. Wade would be revoked once everyone understood the abolishing Roe doesn’t constitute an abolishment of abortion but a return to letting the constituency of each state decide on its merits.”

    ”We already tried that. It didn’t work. Hence, Roe v Wade.”

    That depends on your definition of “working.” It works for you maybe. “No questions asked” for the entire first trimester is barbaric. Plus, currently it’s too lucrative and calloused to curb predatory, money-grubbing “doctors” slaughtering far too many babies. So while I’m not sure what went so dreadfully wrong with leaving it to the states (enlighten me), I’m opposed to the “compromise” that was negotiated with Roe v Wade. I understand “Roe” is too.

  408. Occasionally, Rutherford will diverge into the most deluded and confused material of Mother Jones, Rolling Stone

    Someone who quotes from World Nut Daily needs to simply STFU. Period. End of story.

  409. Well that clears it up. 🙄

    I have said what exactly?

    You have reminded me time and time again that a company’s only obligation is to its shareholders and that employment, per se, is not their raison d’être.

    So let me make this logical leap. Since I think a tiny bit of profit CAN be sacrificed to keep people in their jobs and that is the moral thing to do and you see no need for that sacrifice to be made then it’s fair to say you don’t think business has a moral responsibility to its employees.

    Now you can toss in OSHA if you like and claim that there is a moral obligation to keep ones employees as safe as possible but that is not the realm in which I’m arguing. I’m arguing about employment.

  410. “I’ve long believed that the president, Pelosi, and Reid wanted all the credit for the ACA to go to the Democrats for the history books. I also feel that the motivation for that was to right the wrongs of the past – particularly the Civil Rights Act and the ERA. Or rather more accurately, to claim victory as the sole champions for the people and cast the Republicans as the anti-people people. I think they were embarrassed by the Democrat opposition to those acts and bitter about the Republican support. It didn’t fit their narrative of their history.”

    R, you quoted the last sentence and responded with –

    ”Huh? Muffy there was no Republican support for the ACA. What are you smoking? There has been precious little Republican support for anything Obama.”

    I suspected that my eloquence left something to be desired. In any case I was referring to Republican support for the Civil Rights Act and the ERA. Passed despite strong and sizable Democrat opposition in the case of the Civil Rights Act, and fairly championed by Republicans with regard to the ERA.

  411. ”That virgin vote ad is tacky.”

    ”You need a sense of humor.”

    You have poor taste.

    PS…Maureen Dowd? You mean liberal Catholic?

    PSS…I too thought “daughter” when I saw that tacky ad, by the way. Turns out she’s 26. In any case, what occurred to me was that she’s going to regret that in about 15 years, but then I did a little research on her and I don’t think she will regret it after all. (Still, it seems like a poor decision to me even if she never outgrows it).

  412. ”But, on the first day the he was already declaring Gitmo closed.”

    Two things.

    Rabbit, I believe that you tried. I did too. The liberal that believes in the conservative boogeyman under the bed may call you a liar, but we know better.

    Second, declaring – nay, signing an executive order – that required that Gitmo be closed within a year might turn out to be a much bigger problem than the president not keeping his promises.

  413. However, Obama does have one superior quality to you – I don’t remember him making sport of faith.

    Ah your memory does fail you when you try to demean. The ONE thing you and I agree on is that Obama is as fake a Christian as they come, using Wright’s church strictly for convenience, to find a constituency. Or have you changed your mind and now consider him devout?

    Nothing makes sport of faith more than pretending to have it. I don’t pretend.

  414. Muffy I know the Dixiecrats opposed the Civil Rights Act but I wasn’t aware of the GOP supporting the ERA. In any case, thanks for the clarification. I did misunderstand your original comment.

  415. I think that Obama’s upbringing is a complex affair, as is his faith. Yours (upbringing and faith issues) is much simpler. Would you agree?

    I’ve been meaning to ask you, Rutherford, what’s the beef with Romney changing his views on abortion? Even before you discovered he was the Lying King, you were peeved at his stance on abortion changing.

    Haven’t yours? At all? Is your much ballyhooed struggle just a debating exercise?

    I’ve noticed that your opinions have changed concerning other peoples’ convictions. Like your grand point about how hypocritical people are to claim to be pro life if they make an exception for rape. But what about your own views?

  416. I mean isn’t what is at stake worth being conflicted over? Worth changing for? Can’t you see how someone could go back and forth over this and maybe even never really come to knowing for themselves?

    I see Romney’s stance on abortion as being at one time very similar to Biden’s, and over time growing ever more concerned for the life extinguished.

  417. 524 Rutherford, that line in Bittersweet Symphony represents ME.That’s why our son chose it for my ring tone.

    I don’t believe Jill Stein’s name was on our ballot, at least I don’t remember seeing. I believe the Green Party catagory was blank for write ins.

    I’m feeling melancholy. We buried my high school class mate’s daughter today. Like my class mate, she was a pugnacious blond who made the worst possible choices. My classmate’s husband died ten years ago, and one of the mourners was a prostitute who said he had hired her services mostly to talk. She was open about it and attended the funeral

    The daughter was vivacious and popular, but she was hooked on meth, and also developed hepiteitus and aids.She lost so much weight she looked as if she had been in a German prison camp.Her step daughter is in high school, and with her father in jail, my former classmate how has responsibility. She has already gone through Hell caring for her daughter.

    The family located her step grand father who is a college professor in Utah, and the girl will live with their family in about two weeks. A son won’t be released from a Colorado prison for another five months, so I recorded the funeral service for him. One of his prison friends made a nice John Deere plaque and his choice of a country song was played as they wheeled the body out.

    I went home to put the funeral onto a DVD, and returned as my classmate was leaving. She said she was fine, but I doubt she will be. This is the first time she will be alone in a house in a long time. I have affection for her because we have been friends since grade school, and she offered us refuge during the flood.

    My other classmate, the woman’s brother is a Methodist minister, and he delivered the service. He said his niece found God and asked Jesus into her life when he saw her on Monday. The funeral was rushed because the woman’s uncle has another funeral tomorrow.

    I was able to access Face Book for the first time since April. An e friend from a long dead blog is a Filipino. Her parents both died this summer.,

    I’m fine, but people around me, not so much.

  418. R, your 533 is a perfect example of why can’t have a debate let alone dialogue with you on damn near anything. Always an exercise in futility with you.

    Not only did you cite to nothing I said, your logical leap is bereft of logic in the absence of the context I asked for.

    So l turn it back. You seem to think a company must operate at a loss based on some vague concept of what you believe constitutes morality. I refer you to your Newsweek commentary. To service some hypothetical oppressed reader without access to this one publication in print without questioning how it might affect those employed or invested in the company is morality? Calling it absurd is being too kind.

    No Wonder you can’t function without shallow ad hominem attacks. Sorry I couldn’t oblige by fitting your prior assessment of what makes me tick with the reality of it.

    But, it’s certainly no wonder why you go around with Muffy about Romney’s change in his abortion stance as proof that he lacks a center, while simultaneously defending Obama’s “evolving” stance on gay marriage as proof of enlightenment (rather than what it really is). You can’t see beyond the nose on your face.

  419. Rabbit, that Ariel Pink tune is a fucking train wreck. Painful. 😆

    If they broadcast that into Noriega’s compound, he and his entire detail would’ve walked out, hands in the air, pleading for mercy.

  420. Nothing makes sport of faith more than pretending to have it. I don’t pretend.

    You’ve misunderstood. I don’t disagree with your retort. But what I was speaking of is your militant hostility toward my faith. You go seeking to offend on a very personal basis. I don’t recall Obama doing that. In fact, Obama becomes so politically correct for the mass appeal, he gets tongue tied in the process and comes out looking fallacious frequently.

    In my book that makes Obama less weak and less punk that you.

    Worse, you’re a coward. You’re not an equal opportunity insulter. You only reserve the mockery for one specific faith. You’re terrified of Islam though you could never admit that, cognizant that it is basically 3/4 Christians that give you your right to run your punk mouth and provide your weak as shelter in the process.

  421. But, it’s certainly no wonder why you go around with Muffy about Romney’s change in his abortion stance as proof that he lacks a center, while simultaneously defending Obama’s “evolving” stance on gay marriage as proof of enlightenment (rather than what it really is). You can’t see beyond the nose on your face.

    Great point. I call Rutherford legendary for his double standards and a hypocrite. But I may be giving too much credit, because both of those require something beyond simple reflex and boilerplate response.

    I’m beginning to think it may be something far more insulting.

    Perhaps Rutherford simply isn’t smart enough to even recognize his hypocrisy. Maybe he’s just simple and not terribly bright. 😐

  422. I’ve been meaning to ask you, Rutherford, what’s the beef with Romney changing his views on abortion?

    I’m not sure I’d have a beef Muffy if this were his only flip-flop. Everyone has the right to have their opinions evolve based on changing circumstances. The problem is, against a tableau of changing opinions on EVERYTHING, I doubt the sincerity of ANY of Romney’s expressed beliefs. He is the very picture of expediency.

    I wouldn’t say my opinion about the hypocrisy of so many pro-life people has changed. I didn’t give it much thought until the rape/incest exception started getting lots of press and then I made up my mind on that pretty damn fast. They’re not valid exceptions if you’re TRULY pro-life.

    But what about your own views?

    My views matter only to the women in my life as I am their confidant and adviser. My views have nothing to do with you. What you do with your body is your own damn business. It is wrong for me to dictate to you about it and doubly wrong for me to legislate against you.

  423. while simultaneously defending Obama’s “evolving” stance on gay marriage

    Ahhhh, now who’s pulling stuff out of his a$$ without citation? I have always said Obama’s gay marriage announcement was political opportunism … as recently as the article that preceded this one. Read it again.

    I also never said a company should operate at a loss to keep folks employed. I said they could shave a bit off their billions in profits to keep folks employed. You cannot convince me that every company keeping the employee roster to the minimum faces extinction if they change their ways. They just face lower profits …. and greed gets in the way of that trade-off.

    Also, if you read the thread carefully, you’d notice that I conceded that it was not so much Tina Brown’s decision to discontinue the print version of Newsweek that bothered me, but the manner in which she discussed it and the manner in which the MoJo panel discussed it. I get the reality of Newsweek staying in business in one form or another but that doesn’t stop me from seeing it as a harbinger of a info-have and info-have-nots society.

    Not only did you cite to nothing I said, your logical leap is bereft of logic in the absence of the context I asked for.

    I didn’t feel like combing through the archives to quote you chapter and verse. But in your response, you provided the money quote yourself. You seem to think a company must operate at a loss based on some vague concept of what you believe constitutes morality…. Calling it absurd is being too kind.

    Despite the fact that you mischaracterized my position, you made it clear that a company’s obligation is not to its employees if it means trimming profits. Now did I get your position or did I “parse” your statement incorrectly?

  424. Tex, to be clear, I think Muslims are as nutty as any other religious sect. The reason I take their “side” in arguments is that I don’t like bullies and I don’t like folks in glass houses who throw stones. All religious folks travel down a very dangerous road in which a higher power can be pointed to to justify the nastiest of deeds. I think Christians have evolved where for some reason Muslims have not. There was a time when from a barbaric perspective there was not too much light between the two.

    I’m not a big fan of hypocrisy. When my Indian employee started lecturing me about class structure in the US I told him to STFU until India did away with its caste system. I’m an equal opportunity bigot-targeting-system and I assure you, if a Muslim got on this blog dissing Christians, he’d get a piece of my mind because he is in NO position to be throwing stones.

  425. Great point.

    Ah Tex, the only great point was the one on the top of Tigre’s head. I advise you, short-term-memory mofo that you are, to go back and read the article JUST prior to this one (“Libya and Lesbians”) where I explicitly say that Obama’s gay marriage announcement was pure pandering.

    Again …. you guys delight in debating Imaginary Rutherford. Much harder to read what I actually write. Much easier to debate a caricature than to debate someone who exhibits some …. wait for it … nuance.

  426. R – you missed a great Samhain celebration. When I get time, I need to find a good anonymous picture display site and I’ll share the pix with you. Although most of the leaves are on the ground now, the recent rains had saturated the earth and our bonfires behaved nicely.

    My daughter came down from DC and led the chant as we lit the fire:

    Air I am.
    Fire I am.
    Water, earth and spirit I am.

    We held our incense sticks and then after the chant was finished, placed them at the four points of the compass around the fire. Simple, moving, beautiful. The kids love the mysterious atmosphere and we tell them old Celtic stories every year ’round the fire. Nice to connect to one’s ancestors.

    We then left the property and repaired to the center of our little housing development, where we burned a second bonfire and handed out candy to the local kids and hot cider to the adults until about midnight. Everybody left for bed in high spirits. I’ve been clearing the deadfall our of my woods for several years now, and the larger logs on the community bonfire are still burning this morning at 6:00.

    If you ever get by this way, you are welcome to stay for a little respite. We typically have at least one house guest and room for several more any time.

  427. Muffy – you a Moody Blues fan? They were the first rock ‘n roll band I ever liked. It was country all the way before that. I’ve been to two of their concerts – one in DC about 3-4 years ago. We got a “VIP” pass and a small group of us watched them tune up and take some questions before the concert. Not that great, really – Moody Blues is just a money-making machine now. Graeme Edge had just turned 69! They had 3 original members (Edge, Lodge, and Hayward, of course) and several new ones who were just dynamite – a young female violin player and a drummer who complemented Edge perfectly. A super keyboard player, too. I noticed, incidentally that it was all coordinated real-time on an Apple laptop stationed adjacent the keyboardist.

    James – bad lick, man. It’s always bad when your classmate dies, but his/her kid? Tough stuff. There is a general rot permeating this country right now, the direct result IMHO of the socialist meme.

    BTW, did you see the Romney commercial by the European guy who came here and prospered, having left the socialist Soviet bloc? I just saw a glimpse of it, but I believe he paid for the ad HIMSELF. Good stuff. Romney may just beat Obama. Cross your fingers.

  428. Sorry – the young lady is a flautist, not a violinist. She makes the hair stand up on your neck, she’s so good. Norda Mullen I think is her name.

  429. muffy opined:
    “Plus, currently it’s too lucrative and calloused to curb predatory, money-grubbing “doctors” slaughtering far too many babies.”

    Utter nonsense. That statement by itself is proof that you don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Ever been in an abortion clinic? Ever talk to women who are considering abortion or are about to have one? Ever done an abortion? Well, I have done them all, and you are so far off base that you would have to educate yourself before you could even ENTER the discussion, let alone be entitled to an opinion.

    Was it not you who said something to the effect that, (paraphrasing) “We all know that we cannot agree completely, so we need to each show a little respect and try to find a compromise?” What happened? Give that POV up?

  430. James @545 No James, it read like a real country song. Behind every country song is a life experience. You are feeling and sharing the pain of your classmates.

  431. JUST prior to this one (“Libya and Lesbians”) where I explicitly say that Obama’s gay marriage announcement was pure pandering.

    SO WHAT? You think that justifies your reasoning?

    Once again you have demonstrated your bias, you hypocrisy, your legendary double standard in judgment. Your post indicated you find all that acceptable if you’re with the right party.

    Tigre’s point was that in your world, some political pandering is wink, wink and just part of the process, doesn’t matter how fundamental the change. Obama’s evolving didn’t do a thing to change your opinion of his magnificence. Obama can change his tune and waffle from one minute to the next in the same speech, and you still bark like a seal about his stupendous communication skills.

    But the minute a political adversary of some Dim panders or “evolves” on the most minute of points, OH MY GOD! “He’s, he’s, he’s trying to move to the middle! Kill him! Kill him!”

    Let me remind you how particularly galling these black grievance hustlers operating under the banner of christianity with a small ‘c.’ How facetious, unprincipled and mendacious the “religious” black populace, dancing around in their pews singing to Jesus.

    Imagine for a minute, Romney weeks before an election spoke before the lily white Southern Baptist Association and said, “I’ve decided to allow abortion in all circumstances. My views have evolved. In fact, I’ve decided the first minutes after birth, if you decide you don’t want the child, we’ll allow a period of time to allow the child to die on its own.”

    And immediately after the speech, the candidate is met with thunderous applause, adulation, and acceptance. “Well, that’s okay. People’s views change. ROMNEY! ROMNEY! ROMNEY! THANK YOU JESUS! THANK YOU JESUS! AMAZING GRACE, HOW SWEET THE SOUND.”

    Because that is exactly what you black grievance hustlers and perpetual generational victims have just done. You’ll excuse any sin, any mistake, any negligence – even nonfeasance and gross incompetence of assisting in the deaths of four Americans TO HIDE that your policies lay in shambles. Got to run out the clock. As long as their Dim and their black, anything goes and there is no standard but black and Dim.

    And then you wonder why most of White America views you Black Americans with suspicion and distrust? And the ones that don’t, treat you like pets for your vote. Unbelievable.

  432. I’m sorry, James. I missed that last night. Sad story and I am afraid I read stories like that much too often anymore. What many Americans are not aware of is that even in well-to-do neighborhoods across America, children and young adults are killing themselves at an alarming rate.

    Signs of the times, I’m afraid. Makes you wonder what makes people feel so rejected, so lonely that they’ll resort to throwing their lives away to escape it.

  433. Seen in a comment this morning which I find quite accurate:

    There can only be outrage with this proposed legislation or any other if one assumes a single set of laws applying to all individuals. In reality there isn’t one set, but thanks to the left, there are basically 4 tiers to the law. (A tier is defined as the law + social protocols.)

    Tier 1, is the most permissive and is applied to liberal/left groups within the ruling class. Law-breaking within tier 1 groups, if done intelligently, is basically ignored by the government and by the media (see Pelosi’s and Reid’s business dealings, “fast and furious” gun running, etc); tier 2 applies to favored groups (see New Black Panther Party voting intimidation; ACORN, etc). Tier 3 is essentially for “neutral” groups, i.e., the “sheeple”, average, apolitical citizens that are not members of the favored groups. Tier 4 is the most oppressive and is applied towards despised groups (conservatives, especially ethnic and female conservatives, self-made rich, politically incorrect businessmen, etc.) Individuals sorted into Tier 4 are dealt with ruthlessly. Any infraction, real or alleged, is pursued with rigor by both the media and the government. In fact, judicial “fishing expeditions” are the rule with tier 4 individuals. Tier 4 individuals are routinely not given any privacy or consideration. (See Sarah Palin and blogger Andrew Sullivan; see comments by the left concerning Mrs. Palin, her husband, her children, etc.)

    So, write these 4 tiers down on a 3 by 5 card. The next time group A is in conflict with group B, identify which tier each group belongs to and the media/government reaction to the conflict will be easily predictable.

    BTW, acknowledgment of the existence of the above tiers, or anything like it, is, of course, evidence of racism on your part. ~ Mark Razak

  434. Thanks for the good thoughts everyone. Another reminder of loss is the cross and wreath on the edge of our farm where a train killed a sixteen year old neighbor girl about two weeks ago.

    A local farmer and Mormon elder said “drive through any town and look at the nice houses with well-kept lawns New cars are parked in tight garages. Something is wrong in each house whether it be health, family discord, money or something else. No one escapes, not one.”

    On a better note our cousin and son work for the same company in California. . My wife told her about the funeral, and she wondered if it concerned any relatives.They are related twice through marriage. She also wrote about how highly the company regards our son, his decency and his work ethic. She said she is proud to be related to him.

  435. “Despite the fact that you mischaracterized my position, you made it clear that a company’s obligation is not to its employees if it means trimming profits. Now did I get your position or did I “parse” your statement incorrectly?”~R

    “Perhaps Rutherford simply isn’t smart enough to even recognize his hypocrisy. Maybe he’s just simple and not terribly bright. :neutral:”~Tex

    I think this proves Tex’s point, but I also think it is more than that. I think R has lived in his handicapped bubble for so long he is completely detached from reality. He has forgotten, or never really understood the mechanisms and motivations/purpose of business.

    Because of who R is, I think he has the misconception that business is like government. A program that is always there with limitless resources and exists to serve the people. I back up my opinion by looking at how he feels about social programs. Rutherford thinks that social programs should continue and grow/expand despite any risks to our economy. The first concern is always about the social program first, and everything is secondary.

    So too does Rutherford feel about business. Their first concern in his eyes has to be to its