Mr. President We Need a Plan

A couple of weeks ago I got totally fed up with the conservative readers of my blog demanding to see Barack Obama’s plan for the next four years. In the comments section, I told them in essence “Dammit, I’ll find his plan and give it a full analysis”. After all, how hard could it be? Obama’s Deputy Campaign Manager, Stephanie Cutter said it was out there on the web for all to see.

Since I didn’t listen carefully enough to Ms. Cutter, I started my analysis over at Barack Obama’s campaign web site. There I found points scattered among several sections of information. I started devoting a browser tab to each section and I started reading. But I also said to myself, why should this be so hard? The web site relies heavily on past accomplishments with the implicit message that past is prologue. There are a couple of great interactive graphs charting private sector job creation and auto industry job creation. Manufacturing jobs have also been created:

With that said, it was still a lot of work to cobble together a cohesive plan. I watched Cutter’s video again and heard “whitehouse.gov”. OK that’s better. Giving it more thought, it made sense to me that your plan for governing should be on your government web site and not on the campaign web site.

At the official White House web site, the problem is similar to that of the campaign web site, information scattered everywhere but at least here I found a forward-looking message, namely the President’s blueprint which was published in January of this year. So let’s take a quick look at the blueprint and then go down a side road with the American Jobs Act.

The blueprint breaks down into three basic parts:

Boosting Manufacturing — Through tax incentives and closing loopholes the 2nd term administration would discourage offshore outsourcing and reward domestic job creation. Trade reform will force our trading partners to play fair. Infrastructure enhancement will create jobs (which syncs with The American Jobs Act).

American-made Energy — Like Romney, Obama is advocating an all-of-the-above approach for energy. His history with the Keystone pipeline might make one skeptical about this but with no re-election to worry about, Obama might be more free to tell the environmentalists to take a hike. Specifically, Obama is proposing exploitation of our oil and gas reserves, a focused approach on developing clean energy resources, and battery innovation for vehicles. While the administration calls this “all of the above”, there is little if any mention of nuclear or coal.

College Affordability — On the premise that America cannot compete long term with an uneducated citizenry, the administration proposes a number of programs to provide incentives for lower cost and higher quality in higher education.

The American Jobs Act

This proposed legislative package has been sitting on the shelf for about a year now while Congress fiddles as Rome burns. The package includes:

Tax cuts for small business
Unemployment insurance reform
Infrastructure projects
Tax relief for families

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) scored the American Jobs Act and estimated a 3 billion dollar savings over ten years.  Unfortunately, that score assumed some progress would be made by the Deficit Committee which ultimately imploded heading us toward a fiscal cliff at the end of this year.

I cannot find, in any of these plans a serious discussion about deficit reduction. Obama’s budgets which included deficit reduction were rejected by Congress.

So what is the difference between the President’s plan and Romney’s plan? The most noticeable difference is cosmetic. While Romney also has a web site with information scattered all over the place, he does consolidate his ideas into one 87 double-paged PDF file. When you look under the hood, the 174 page document is 50% Obama bashing, 40% typical corporate filler (you know … that PowerPoint pitch your company makes that is twice as large as it needs to be so you can fill up the presentation time) and 10% concrete ideas. The other clever device is a page defining Day One Executive Orders and Bills. And of course the 59 policy proposals which are the political equivalent of Henny Youngman one-liners, some pretty well defined, others pretty generic.

Let’s be honest. Every administration is a living breathing organism that reacts to the changing complexities of the globe on a daily basis. Neither of the candidates is going to propose a binding plan. If elected in November, both of these candidates are going to fall short of their plans and be castigated for it. With that said, the conservative request for a plan from Obama has validity only in that Obama has not done proper packaging. As usual his administration falls short on communication. There is no excuse to not have a single document that maps out the next four years so voters can have some idea of what they might get in a second term.

Mr. President, we need a real plan, a properly structured road map (or blueprint to use your language) that communicates future direction. You won’t get it done in time for the Democratic National Convention but I think you better get it done soon thereafter. It would be a shame to see Mitt Romney beat you simply because he has a well documented plan for failure while you have a poorly documented plan for success.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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535 thoughts on “Mr. President We Need a Plan

  1. 😛 Like we said. Platitudes and no plan. The War on Women, working for the middle class, getting rid of the tax cuts and raising taxes on the billionaires and millionaires that might make 200K a year.

    So Rutherford, the question still holds.

    With no plan and not much else, why should the next four years be any different than the last four years?

    I guess I am left to assume that the plan for the next four years and clearly the central message from Obama’s lack of is:

    ROMNEY WOULD BE WORSE!

    But I appreciate the honesty – for once.

  2. Tigre, we have to give credit where credit is due. It took a while, but Rutherford delivered. 😀

    The answer to the question, self admitted, is what we told him the answer was two weeks ago:

    There is no plan. That youtube video above doesn’t lie.

    This is the same empty rhetoric we heard four years ago, only now we’ve put the “Obama Plan” to the test. It failed spectacularly.

    NOW GIVE US THOSE DAMN TAX RETURNS and BRING OUT MICHELLE OBAMA to give us a country we can be proud of.

  3. For the love of God, the American Jobs Act was rejected by his own party.

    This is just more stimulus spending without merit and zero cost containment.

    Martin Feldstein, appointed to Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, said this plan would cost about $200,000 per job. This is the same shit didn’t work the first time.

    This is just proof he has no plan. After 4 years in office and an unprecedented economic crisis? This is sad.

    Well, I guess Obama doesn’t go around causing cancer. 🙄

  4. Isn’t Cutter the same one that said Romney was a felon?

    And now she goes out saying the plan is on the web when it isn’t?

    Doesn’t the apparent belief that it won’t bother checking or call her on it signal something about the Dem base, i.e. they really don’t care?

  5. Personally, in a perverse sort of way, I may owe Barack Obama and Rutherford Lawson a big thank you.

    According to a Gallup poll indicating that, for the first time in the last twenty years, Americans thought better of the Republican Party than of the Democrats. Later that same day, I pointed to a Pew Foundation poll reaffirming the drift towards the Republicans. Today, I came across further evidence pointing even more emphatically at the same conclusion.

    For ten years now, Rasmussen has been studying partisan trends. Its latest survey indicates that, for the first time in that period, more Americans self-identify as Republicans than as Democrats. To be precise, 37.6% now think of themselves as Republicans — more than in September, 2004 — and only 33.3% self-identify as Democrats. What makes this especially interesting is that two years ago — on the eve of the Republican blowout in the 2010 midterm elections — 35% self-identified as Democrats and only 33.8% self-identified as Republicans.

    It is a grave error to suppose that everyone in this country has made up his mind. Things are in motion. The Republicans have an argument and a plan, and the Democrats — thanks to the wisdom of Barack Obama — have nothing to offer. ~ Paul Rahe

    But I agree with Glenn Reynolds. Don’t get cocky. Now is the time to step up the call for exposing Obama as a sham, so that even the reachable dupes can understand a losing proposition.

  6. Tex, the key is “REACHABLE” dupes. I have encountered a few on Facebook lately who are so far gone that they cannot countenance the fact that ObamaCare will not treat their cranial-rectal inversion because the Independent Advisory Board will not authorize the care for their conditions, especially since being in that position is the only way anything the Dems say begins to sound remotely sensical.

    R, the only “success” Lord Zero, Bringer of Downgrades is interested in is improving his short game and lowering his score on the back nine.

    If he were serious about a plan, he could have been meeting with his cabinet regularly and maybe with his Jobs Council once or twice in the last 9 months.

  7. I wouldn’t get too excited about auto manufacturing jobs, R. His intrusion into the GM mess has left us holding stock that was severely overpriced when we bought it, and his brilliant restructuring of the company has only combined stupid managment tricks and union incompetence into one package instead of two. It is already failing, and unless drastic changes occur, it will collapse again, because the government can’t keep being its best customer forever.

  8. Rutherford I’m going to be a nice guy and offer up an article for you.The piece comes from the Economist and has some length to it so be fair when you try to tackle it.
    As for my perspective I find it stretched in the pro-Obama column but all in all at least attempting to tackle the analysis with some consistency.I find it touches upon some points that you can see where some on the ed. board would have liked to go deeper either pro BHO or against a ghastly part of policy.
    All in all even where it giddily tries to not get its Obama blush on folks from both sides could use parts of it for their cause. So again I offer:
    The Economist:End of term report.

  9. @ 15 I’d second those concerns and in fact apply them on a global scale.
    Ford (the no bailout company) may be the most capable US auto manufacturer with the only real chance to shake some things up in 2013-2015 models. I saw where the new Focus variants are being touted as something on par with being worthy to compete against Toyota.
    In Germany the manufacturing report points to a downward trend. This isn’t purely pegged to autos alone but they’re in it. In Sweden SAAB is gone and Volvo is owned by a Chinese company. Renault and Peugot are in trouble and their most likely saviour?….FIAT. I’ll give you one guess where the $ for that comes from.
    Get ready if you hold any car stock….bumpy road ahead. (sorry for the pun)

  10. Ron Paul has a plan that has been posted for quite some time. I even linked it here – twice. A few pages long and easy to understand. It actually reduces the debt by a trillion dollars the first year and greatly cuts spending, even eliminating 5 expensive and worthless bureaucratic departments.

    I haven’t seen a good plan out of either other camp. They prefer playing the shell game, which is all about deceit, something they have both mastered. More of the same from Obama and just let me drive from Rmoney. Nothing for real Americans to chew on.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, is right. The only thing Rmoney would do different is hit the accelerator. He’s already said whatever Israel wants, he’ll do for them. He’s even proved to be the better suck up to them. We’ll be bomb, bomb, bomb-ing Iran, for sure.

    Then there’s the whole white horse prophecy and the funky Mormon ideology. Kind of scary. Certainly tough to swallow. Of course they did get a new revelation in the seventies that blacks could join in the ministry. Good thing God changed His mind there, right Rutherford? 🙄

  11. Rutherford, did you see my second explanation of those job tables?

    [Through tax incentives and closing loopholes the 2nd term administration would discourage offshore outsourcing and reward domestic job creation. Trade reform will force our trading partners to play fair. Infrastructure enhancement will create jobs (which syncs with The American Jobs Act).]

    So a complete reversal of his first term?

    [Obama’s budgets which included deficit reduction were rejected by Congress.]

    Really? The budget I saw projected a $26 trillion deficit by 2025.

    So what is the difference between the President’s plan and Romney’s plan? The most noticeable difference is cosmetic.

    Doesn’t this describe the bulk of the Obama Presidency? Cosmetic

    [Neither of the candidates is going to propose a binding plan.]

    Did your Messiah ever get one? One that is that anyone other than himself would vote on? This job performance, in your corporate days, would you hire or fire Obama on his performance?

    [November, both of these candidates are going to fall short of their plans and be castigated for it.]

    Difference being you are speculating on Romney, and we are absolutely sure about Obama. We know he fell short, horribly short.

    With that said, the conservative request for a plan from Obama has validity only in that Obama has not done proper packaging.

    Really? How about failure in presentation? How about failure in execution? How about failure to present a plan than had a chance to pass?

    [It would be a shame to see Mitt Romney beat you simply because he has a well documented plan for failure]

    Explain to us this failure.

  12. Noah, help a brotha out. Put quotation marks or bold or italicize or something when you’re quoting. It takes a dumb shit like me 2 passes to follow along without the prompts.

  13. Gorilla, I read your post on Slick Willey and I agree with the many points but not the conclusion. Two reasons.

    First, to make the comparisons to Clinton requires and almost non-existent long-term memory in the majority of voters.

    Second, to really backfire, another trait lacking in the largest segment of the voting public, especially those that watch the DNC, is needed. Critical thinking. If there weren’t a complicit media it would be a bigger deal. But suffice it say, you’re light years ahead of the garden variety dolts that are being targeted.

    In the words H.L. Mencken, “[n]obody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

    BJ Clinton is charming to the “false memory/nostalgia” and “feelings” crowd. I hope I’m wrong.

  14. Isn’t Cutter the same one that said Romney was a felon?

    And now she goes out saying the plan is on the web when it isn’t?

    Yes Cutter (appropriately named) said if Romney wasn’t lying to the American people then he was a felon.

    When she said “it’s on the web” on Face the Nation, I almost threw up in my mouth. Eric Fehrnstrom laughed at her basically.

    Now, AGAIN, Romney’s plan is also on the web. It’s just in a digestible format. Perhaps the difference between someone who knows how to put together a good business presentation vs a community organizer at heart.

  15. Gorilla it is funny how all your videos are truncated snippets. Would have been nice to hear Cutter’s full statement.

    Be that as it may, the Obama team botched this over the weekend, giving the old Ralph Kramden humina humina humina when asked a simple question they should have been able to answer.

  16. R, the only “success” Lord Zero, Bringer of Downgrades is interested in is improving his short game and lowering his score on the back nine.

    BiW, with sentences like that you have the gall to call others dupes. The downgrade was the fault of your lunatic Tea Party/ GOP contingent. YOU brought this shame upon America … no one else.

    I have a comment for Pfesser coming up in a bit related to those who are unreachable. Stay tuned.

  17. BTW I learned tonight that the auto bailout LIMITED certain union goodies. So much for this being some pro-union conspiracy. In the meantime the financial bailout let the miscreants run away scot free.

  18. Of course they did get a new revelation in the seventies that blacks could join in the ministry. Good thing God changed His mind there, right Rutherford? 🙄

    Don’t get me started on the Mormons …. BUT … he without a nutty religion should be the first to cast a stone.

  19. Rutherford, did you see my second explanation of those job tables?

    Yes, Noah …. as I said at the end of the prior thread, your second explanation didn’t change my mind.

    Explain to us this failure.

    Trickle down economics does not work. Belligerent foreign policy does not work. Anachronistic social engineering not only does not work but will be summarily rejected by the American people.

  20. Let’s be very clear. Bill Clinton lives in the same politico-sexual universe as Republican David Vitter. In more cases than would be desirable we have a tendency to forgive sexual missteps.

    I’m sure a good number of women wrongfully blame Hillary for Bill’s dalliances and in fact find the rascal part of Bill almost endearing. As long as Bill doesn’t want to legislate their uteruses, he is not a part of the “war on women”.

  21. This comment is for Pfesser.

    I know most of the folks on this thread are unreachable. You I believe can be swayed.

    If you have an hour to spare, please watch this episode from Bill Moyers: http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-the-resurrection-of-ralph-reed/

    PF, let’s be clear. The Republican party has been overtaken by religious zealots. This hour with Moyers is chilling as it becomes clear that the opposition to Obama is not based on economics or foreign policy but on some bizarre belief in his being the anti-Christ … some sort of evil manifestation that must be vanquished from the White House.

    His opponent belongs to one of the nuttiest religions on the planet. His opponent considered Dr. John Wilkie (a proponent of rape resistant eggs) a valued member of his team back in 2008.

    PF you have a choice this November. Will you roll the dice that Romney will change things (he won’t) and put your support behind a contingent that is demolishing the wall between church and state or will you vote to keep these people from taking over our government?

    Again … I know no one else here gives a damn. But YOU need to give serious consideration to this vote. A vote for Romney is a vote for Ralph Reed and Pat Robertson and every religious hustler currently on the market. Consider this when you make your choice. If the Moyers piece does not put a lump in your throat, I don’t know what will.

  22. Interesting, Tex know that I am a female. I’m married and I am a liberal. Well old boy, there are millions of us that fit in those categories and in November you are going to hear from us. So don’t even try to redirect your self-loathing off on us!

  23. [Noah your second explanation syncs with what is on the BLS page and does not speak to gross job gain vs net job gain. Again, I think without further clarification that Political Math is full of baloney.]

    Why do you want to know about gross job gain vs net job gain? I do not see anything in the article that speaks to that point. The description does speak to the differences of Table A and B and it has nothing to do with gross job gain vs net job gain. I want you to fully explain why you are making a point of this AND how it pertains to the article. (if your counting that is 2 questions) Not a vague notion, I want a precise explanation.

  24. Poorly worded. The description of the differences between table a and b are fully described and do not mention anything about gross job gain vs net job gain*

  25. he without a nutty religion should be the first to cast a stone.

    Paraphrasing, eh? Well let me tell you about one of the nuttiest religions I’ve encountered. It’s called American politics. Though there may be a split or two in the congregation, they all can sure drum up the praise and worship. From sun up till sun up, the followers have taken to the airwaves spew their vile doctrine.

    I don’t see the clear delineation between church and state, however. And to top it off, their disciples are trashing my neighborhood with signage. 😈

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  27. re: American energy.

    Interesting topic. There is a good article in this month’s Technology Review, MIT’s magazine for the masses. It says that, basically, the current glut in natural gas – brought about primarily by improvements in drilling and fracking technology – have basically shut down all competing forms of energy. This includes steam coal from my home state. I have a somewhat mixed feeling about that, but the fact is, coal has never brought anything of lasting value to any state where it is mined – and most particularly West-By-God Virginia.

    The report goes on to say that \, in the US at least, alternative energy is dead in the water. Interestingly, I have flown over three wind farms in the past several months: one near Elkins, WV, one near Morgantown, WV and one near Summersville, WV. Clouds had forced me down low in Summersville, and I crossed above these monsters just a few hundred feet above them.

    The interesting thing is that there were about fifteen windmills in each batch, and each time only one or two were spinning, and very slowly at that. Coupled with the fact that they have to be shut off in high winds and storms, not very useful I don’t think.

  28. So I see where Obama has stated the GOP has created and is running against a fictional Obama.
    I think Romney is more or less running against a “composite” Obama

  29. Second, to really backfire, another trait lacking in the largest segment of the voting public, especially those that watch the DNC, is needed. Critical thinking. If there weren’t a complicit media it would be a bigger deal. But suffice it say, you’re light years ahead of the garden variety dolts that are being targeted.” – Tigre

    You’re right ET, except that it won’t be Dems who’ll be watching and thinking to themselves – Robert Frost. However, independents will be watching and they do have critical thinking skills (at least most of the time), so they will be the ones – and they’re the ones that matter – to get the comparison.

  30. Be that as it may, the Obama team botched this over the weekend, giving the old Ralph Kramden humina humina humina when asked a simple question they should have been able to answer.” – R

    They couldn’t answer the question with a ‘yes’, and then realized that their inability to say yes (honestly) was hurting them, so lying became a virtue. All the Dem surrogates come out at once and suddenly the answer is yes?

    But it’s too hot to say why…

  31. “As long as Bill doesn’t want to legislate their uteruses, he is not a part of the “war on women”.”

    Yeah we wants to visit their uteruses personally, especially if they’re on his staff. 🙄

    No war on women there. Just selectively define “war.” Good luck with that. The images are still fresh.

  32. Rutherford, I applaud your effort. Your research did prove that Obama has a hidden agenda. The problem is the agenda is so hidden that even he can’t find it. 😉

    Alfie @ 16
    Thanks for the link. Good read for everyone. The article does put a different perspective on the past four years.

  33. G, I don’t place such confidence in undecided or independents. With this large an ideological divide, to be conflicted (with 2 choices) doesn’t speak to one’s critical analysis as much as wilful blindness of the real issues.

    Worry not about employment or the economy. Look out for those dominionists! 🙄 Such palpable desperation first thing in the morning is depressing.

  34. Hey, you leave Clinton alone. At least he likes p*ssy. I can identify with that…hell, if I were married to that woman, I wouldn’t have waited as long as he did.

    Of course, I would have taken it consensually.

  35. Agree completely on moderates. They’re predictable in that they’ll go which ever way the wind blows. Independents I look at a little differently. I don’t think they dig ideologues, which is why they are really turned off from Obama. Obama didn’t come in acting or talking like an ideologue, but he has most certainly governed like one. Clinton is many things, but he never really governed like an ideologue, and that is something independents relate to with Clinton that they don’t with Obama.

  36. Rutherford –

    You are right; I am very conflicted at this point. Obama is SO demonstrably bad that I have always thought there was absolutely no choice; now I’m not so sure.

    A left-winger friend of mine turned me on to this article in Rolling Stone:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829

    I started out with the usual “yeah-yeah, what else is new” thing, but the more I read the worse it got. Maybe it is all a lie; I don’t know. Do me a favor and read it over a cup of coffee and tell me what you think

    *********.

    A few years back, I was actually THE driving force behind getting Ross Perot on the WV ballot, and I remember something he said before the two parties conspired to ruin him: “The only way you can waste your vote is if you don’t vote your conscience. Don’t try to second-guess or game the system; vote your conscience and then let the system work.”

    There is, in my mind not a cigarette-paper’s thickness between OBongo and Romney. I don’t envy Romney’s money or his success, unlike those on the Left. I don’t care if Obama is a mulatto; I voted for him. He’s just f*cking incompetent, and worse, a devoted Leftist who I believe is killing us with his policies.

    No, the only man who has never wavered in his beliefs, and has been shown CORRECT time after time after time is Ron Paul. I don’t know why people don’t see that, and I don’t know how I ever strayed from the path. I guess I was doing the same calculus as everybody else – ABO – Anybody But Obama.

    These are some very sad days for my country, Rutherford. I guess all those trips to his grave at Monticello didn’t work; Jefferson doesn’t seem to have heard my prayer, always the same: “Help us, Mr. Jefferson. Help us.”

  37. I’m not sure which is the bigger of the two lies: (1) Obama and the Dims being responsible for the increase in domestic hydrocarbons; (2) ‘The downgrade was the fault of your lunatic Tea Party/ GOP contingent. YOU brought this shame upon America … no one else.’

    There would have been no evaluation for a downgrade, had these feckless libs, who obviously can’t even manage their own personal finances much less the country’s finances, not racked up about $1.5 trillion a year in deficit the first two and one half years under this disgrace for a leader.

    This is why I believe many radical Muslims find a home in the Dimocratic Party. They hide behind the Constitution in a perverse way, finding sympathetic and corrupt justices to misinterpret laws with cash under the table. Then, they cause a problem with their behavior and play victim of the behavior when the penalty comes due.

    Like I’ve said Conservative gang. Simply winning this election is not enough. Like Eastwood said, “We’ve got these people loose…”

    I mean it. We got to get as nasty as they are.

  38. Hey, you leave Clinton alone. At least he likes p*ssy. I can identify with that…hell, if I were married to that woman, I wouldn’t have waited as long as he did.

    Be fair. You would never have dreamed of marrying that nag to begin with. 😉 That judgment alone should have disqualified Slick as President.

  39. Alfie,

    Did you really think that Economist article was accurate? Good grief, man. That news magazine favors a carbon tax to fight global warming. That is about all you need to know of the gas of the Economist. That was Dimocratic shill material. Half of it that article was inaccurate.

    Obama didn’t use 2% of the stimulus for green jobs. He used 12% of the stimulus. And none of the greenies have panned out – not a one. Solyndra is only a small part of the failure. For instancew, The Chevy Volt has been an abject disaster – so much so, production is shut down.

    Consider this: “A ton of carbon dioxide contains 248 kilograms of carbon, so a tax of $300 per ton of CO2 would be equivalent to taxing carbon at a rate of $1.21 per kg. Since there are about 2.5 kg of carbon in a gallon of gasoline, this would increase the cost of a gallon of gas by $3.02 per gallon.

    The average American driver uses about 730 gallons of gasoline per year, so this tax would represent a cost of about $2,200 per driver. This would be a serious hit for the average American worker, whose before-tax income is about $45,000 per year, and devastating to those making less than this.

    You better read this to clear the cobwebs:

    The Green War on the Poor

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/315369/green-war-poor-robert-zubrin

    ————

    These libs will lie about anything, including Rutherford. When we finally forced his hand by making fun on him, he was forced to admit he lied previously in this post. Guaranteed, we could do it to him again and again if we wished.

    Here is the most important graph one will ever see and all one needs to know of the Obama “Stimulus” – the massive failure.

  40. Interesting, Tex know that I am a female. I’m married and I am a liberal. Well old boy, there are millions of us that fit in those categories and in November you are going to hear from us. So don’t even try to redirect your self-loathing loathing off on of us!

    FIFY…

  41. Sorry to play smash-and-grab. I’m in California (Napa Valley) again, at a mammography conference. My wife has the silly idea that I should actually bring in some $, and reading boob X-rays is in big demand right now. (Well, if the gub’ment didn’t make it so onerous, more people would read them, wouldn’t they?) I’m actually enjoying working on our other business so much that I doubt many breast-eses will profit from this week’s work, but hell, it’s beautiful here.

    Anyway, Rutherford, this is a GREAT article. Also nice and short. I am a died-in-the-wool capitalist, but something is terribly wrong in this country. Not one of those f*ckers on Wall Street who are responsible for this economic mess we are in went to jail. My 21 year-old can’t find a job doing ANYTHING. Something has to give, and I am afraid it is going to give the way it does in the third world: revolution leading to Marxism, and we know how well that works.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/opinion/henry-ford-when-capitalists-cared.html?emc=eta1

    When the concept of noblesse oblige went into the toilet, so did much of what we hold dear. From those to whom much is given, much is required. That includes (from) those with the brain-power.

  42. LOL, what a pretentious, narcissistic prick…

    THIS is the kind of stuff that turns off people.

    The Democrats clearly are bankrupt of ideas. Tonight, late on the Labor Day holiday, they released their party platform for 2012. Platforms are where the national parties lay out their guiding philosophical and policy positions on the major issues of the day. They are meant to suggest where the party will move the country’s policies if they are entrusted with the responsibility. This year’s Democrat platform, however, is different. The collective voice of millions of Democrats across the country have been reduced to “whatever Obama says.”

    Barack Obama is the most cited term in the Democrat platform. Out of the 40 pages that make up the platform, Obama is cited by name on 38 of them. He is cited over 200 times throughout the document. The Democrat party’s platform is really Obama’s campaign manifesto.

    Let me put this in perspective. In 2008, the Democrat party platform mentioned Barack Obama 8 times. This year’s GOP platform mentions Mitt Romney…ONCE. And, the mention is in the introduction, not the body of the platform.

  43. “Clinton is many things, but he never really governed like an ideologue, and that is something independents relate to with Clinton that they don’t with Obama.”

    Agreed. Hence the disconnect.

  44. “Food-Stamp Use Climbed to Record 46.7 Million in June, U.S. Says”

    We all know that what means. . .

    The Obama economic plan at work!

    (I guess that’s racist according to Ol’ Tingles)

  45. I cannot believe the bombardment of lies being marketed now by the Dimocratic Party.

    From petroleum to debt, all lies, all the time. It’s all they know and all the do. The members of Dimocratic party are despicable jackbooted propagandists. Even that feckless Newton above. She’s a blip on the ass of the mendacity, but you got to hope there aren’t millions like her.

    Let’s hope this time, a majority of Americans can get beyond the boob tube and the soundbites, the Styrofoam columns and the empty platitudes, and wise the fuck up.

    Sadly, that is our biggest problem. The American, public taken as a whole, is not terribly bright. Guarantee 80% of them haven’t the foggiest what a carbon tax is, or how much debt Bongo has laid on their doorstep. The understand it taking $70.00 to fill the tank and their mortgage under water, but they haven’t a clue as to why.

    Hell, it may not matter who wins. Dimocrats have so managed to dumb down the country in three generations, it may prove for us impossible to manage.

  46. Lets not forget he DID voted for Obama. Plausible deniability? My mom’s a lib, and whenever I point out the MANY, MANY failings of Obama, her response is ALWAYS, “I voted for Clinton.”

    Man up PF. You’re either with Obama, or you’re against him and Paul ain’t a choice.

  47. A depressing thought for your morning:

    The least pain in our little finger gives us more concern and uneasiness than the destruction of millions of our fellow-beings. -William Hazlitt, essayist (1778-1830)

    And to think he said this a full century before the Holocaust. If he only knew what was to come. 😦

  48. And to think he said this a full century before the Holocaust. If he only knew what was to come.

    It’s only a matter of time like Tool™, before you’re denying the Holocaust.

  49. Why do you want to know about gross job gain vs net job gain?

    Let’s start with a quote from you Noah explaining Political Math’s results:

    I asked you the following:

    [If the B tables undercount employment (because they only count payrolls) how could they possibly give numbers that are “kinder to Obama”? In other words, wouldn’t Obama want to use the tables that give the largest employment figures (Table A)?]

    Your answer was:

    The table Obama uses only counts jobs created. The other table takes into account jobs lost to give the real growth for our nation. Al the numbers shown for each President take both factors into account to give an actual account of the state of things, if that makes sense.

    I’ve highlighted the key phrases. Jobs created minus jobs lost is net jobs created. That is why I said your answer involved gross vs net jobs. But your answer did not reflect the reality of Tables A and B to begin with. The two tables differ only in their data source, one being enterprises (payroll data), the other being households. The tables do NOT differ because one counts jobs lost and other doesn’t.

    Your second explanation reflects exactly what I just said about the two tables. But it does not address your assertion in your first statement. So are you saying your first statement was wrong?

    Now … if we toss your first answer out, you still haven’t answered my original question, which is why would the Obama team prefer to use a table that undercounts employment? That would not be to their advantage. So, again PolMath’s argument makes no sense.

  50. You want a glimpse of America’s future under Obama? You can look to Spain – one current; one past.

    In 2004, an avowed reformer promising social justice for the poor and middle class named Don José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero was elected Prime Minister of Spain. His promises also included pulling all of Spain’s troops out of Iraqi theater, tax hikes on the rich to be redistributed more ‘equitably’, and various new tenet moral platforms such as legalizing same sex marriage. He was a friend of Obama in 2008.

    Zapatero was reelected in 2008, under similar circumstances as Obama finds himself today, even while facing the threat of credit ratings agency cutting its ratings on Spanish government ballooning debt and a contracting economy.

    In 2012, the country of Spain lays in shambles with an unemployment rate of 25% – the highest in the European Union. Youth unemployment, the same youth that helped to usher in Zapatero in 2008, had over 50% unemployment. In 2012, the Conservative party of Spain won overwhelming reelections – but it may be too late.

    Investor confidence is shattered. The economy contracted for the fourth time in the last five years.

    Moody’s lowered Spain’s rating from A3 to Baa3, one notch above junk status. Standard & Poor’s rates Spain two notches higher at BBB+ with a negative outlook. Fitch Ratings cut Spain’s rating by three notches on June 7 to BBB, one notch above Moody’s, and put a negative outlook on the credit.

    It took $125B loan from the EU to keep Spain’s teetering banks from collapsing.

    —–

    There it is America under Obama. Let Spain be your guide.

  51. ,blockquote>Oh, one other thing. We don’t see any more of those funny, though obnoxious, bumper stickers with the words “We are spending our children’s inheritance” on huge Winnebagos as they zoom by. Perhaps that’s because there are not so many inheritances any more or the children (now in their late 20s) are inside the Winnebago on vacation with their parents. Or maybe the parents sold the Winnebago and are working at Starbucks.

    The New Normal

  52. “Jobs created minus jobs lost is net jobs created.”

    Hate to bud in, but what about those entering (or supposed to be entering) the workforce for the first time?

  53. From the Hill:

    A majority of voters believe the country is worse off today than it was four years ago and that President Obama does not deserve reelection, according to a new poll for The Hill.

    Fifty-two percent of likely voters say the nation is in “worse condition” now than in September 2008, while 54 percent say Obama does not deserve reelection based solely on his job performance.

    Only 31 percent of voters believe the nation is in “better condition,” while 15 percent say it is “about the same,” the poll found. Just 40 percent of voters said Obama deserves reelection.

  54. @ Tex I use sources that don’t necessarily align with me for a reason and I did indeed issue a disclaimer that he Economist was definitely slanted pro-Obama. On the flip side the American Left that may smile at the publication do so failing to understand that British liberalism is far different from the US variety.
    i sincerely thought Rutherford and others would like a different take on the topic,and as I also said I think folks being fair can see where even the pro Obama ed board was seeing deeper stuff that was far from flattering for the O and if explored would trash his report card.
    There is a big takeaway for me that helps bring forth reason number 4 why I think R&R deserve the nod.

  55. [Rutherford, I applaud your effort. Your research did prove that Obama has a hidden agenda. The problem is the agenda is so hidden that even he can’t find it. ;-)]

    “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt

  56. .The article in the Economist is still a worthwhile read.
    According to former editor Bill Emmott “The Economist’s philosophy has
    always been liberal, not conservative”

    Regardless, using the Economist’s own figures that averages to about a C+
    overall. I would expect an A from Romney based on his own experiences. Obama has learned a lot in the past 4 years and would probably learn more in the next
    4, but I want a teacher not a student to lead this country forward.

  57. Anyway, Rutherford, this is a GREAT article.

    Yeah, Ol’ Henry was a PARAGON of concern for his employees. From meddling with the private lives of his workers in ways that would make today’s anti-corpratists squeal with embarrassment over their hyperbole, including REQUIRING them to work in their off hours in community gardens, to the Battle of the Overpass, to his raging anti-semitism, and rumored harboring of nazi spies in the Second World War. Yeah, he was a peach.

  58. Reason #4 for a Romney Presidency: Green Stuff
    Now I know the left types laugh at the notion that anyone on the right is a good source for green jobs,tech-growth but I do believe this is where the disconnect is on America’s Green Revolution.
    We are taking the “if we build it they will come” approach. this is something has done in our past and to positive results. We built the Interstate Highway system. We did so at least on paper so we could fight the Soviets to the bitter end going as far as being able to land USAF jets on the highways. Of course one thing the highway system did in real terms was develop the suburbs and the general consumer economy we’ve enjoyed and adapted the past 50 years.
    I think the next thing cannot work under this model I think we need to (gasp) take a page from the Chinese. They see a need and fill it. This model is far from alien to the USA and is ideal for this next leap.
    I believe Obama is too invested in Keynesian/Krugman theory to effectively attack the problem. I think his allies are too radical. I think Romney represents a chance to allow the market to pick the winners and losers and I do believe Americans want to pick some green.

  59. Obama has learned a lot in the past 4 years and would probably learn more in the next 4, but I want a teacher not a student to lead this country forward.

    Really? Exactly what has he improved upon in the last 4 years? That 1/2 again failed stimulus is twice as good?

    It would appear to me that Obama, unlike Clinton, learned nothing since Nov. 2010, and in fact has doubled down on the stupidity.

  60. Rutherford, to 74

    Ahh so you are of the opinion that Table A and Table B are the creation of this website so they are required to explain to you their creation and what it means?

    The explanation of the fundamental difference has been made pretty clear.

    “Your second explanation reflects exactly what I just said about the two tables. But it does not address your assertion in your first statement. So are you saying your first statement was wrong?”

    As I stated originally, I made the first statement from the second page of comments, not from the article. Thus I looked up an independent site to give a definition of what those two tables are.

    The tables, as well as the numbers, are not numbers they made up. They took existing data of all the various Presidents to give a true comparison to past Presidents performances.

  61. Alfie,

    What most Americans fail to realize is that if you took a vote of Britain, 70% of Brits would vote for a substantially weakened America, even if Brits are not officially part of the EU monetary system. They are today this day, insanely jealous of their American counterparts.

    The entire European Union for that matter would vote for a weakened America. Let’s remember why the EU was formed to begin with. It was a consortium that couldn’t compete with America business – especially American aeronautical production. And even with its 750,000,000 citizens, the EU still can’t compete even with a weakened America.

    Europe is at best a fickle ally. This is not Churchill’s Europe anymore, nor is America Harry Truman’s America. Sadly, our best allies like Poland have been dumped specifically by this feckless sham for President.

    Dimocrats have been incredibly successful at slowly destroying the institutions that allowed us to fight against nanny government for so long, starting with public education. Our kids have been tools of propaganda for at least 40 years.

    Or own kids don’t even know our history.
    —-

    The Economist article was rank leftist propaganda. And I’ll bet I could go point by point and demonstrate exactly how rank. If I get the time, I will. These lies need to stop.

    Rutherford has gone from meandering rube with good sense of humor, to bitter and rank mendacious propagandist since it became apparent Obama is in trouble. He is officially a Chatty Kitchen member anymore.

  62. Contrary to Rutherford’s graph above about manufacturing:

    Manufacturing Shrinks for Third Straight Month: “Manufacturing shrank at its sharpest clip in more than three years last month, while separate data showed exports and hiring in the sector slumped in another shot to the country’s struggling economy. August was the third month in a row of contraction in manufacturing, and firms in the sector hired the fewest workers since late 2009, according to an Institute for Supply Management survey on Tuesday.”

  63. And about Obama’s huge job creation:

    Some 58 percent of jobs created during the recovery have been low-wage positions, according to a new report by the National Employment Law Project, reports CNN.

    The news network reports that, based on the study, only 22 percent have been mid-wage jobs and 20 percent higher-wage positions.

    Low-wage jobs in the study are those that pay $13.83 an hour or less, CNN said.

    Another way of saying that is about half of the jobs created during the recovery were of poverty wage scale.

  64. Delusions know no bounds I guess. Here is a Politico OpEd from Edward Smith about why unions matter more than ever. [article]
    I think the political differences and experiences here could have some interesting points on the matter.
    I personally just could not get over the disconnect the union guy has from reality. Does he really believe if America was 40,50,80% unionized the country could even exist? Don’t get me wrong I actually think there are times and places for unions but that seems to fall mostly on those sectors where the union actually cares about the members and the longevity of the company or industry sector. IMO too many unions today exist solely for the union leadership.

  65. Copying a young lady in an interracial marriage (White guy black woman.) Her perspective this time around after voting for Obama the first go around.

    Obama is completely selfish as an individual, so of course it’s all about him. He has never done anything in his life for anyone else that didn’t directly benefit him. His own step brother in Kenya still lives in extreme poverty without even clean drinking water and in a hut…you think he ever even cared to send him help of any kind? He is despicable and heartless. He trashed his grandmother, who raised him and had spoken such loving words about him , and as she lay dying, he only spent a few minutes with her at the end of her life, just enough to have his picture made. Absolutely the worst type of human being, is one who internalizes everything such as he. I am saddened that his entire presidency has been wasted on programs with his name attached which are expensive and so useless that his own party has refused to vote in favor of many. His healthcare bill is lacking financial support, as even the dem party could not find the means to take it into effect, so he finds an explanation for that by stupidly saying that it is because the rep party wants us all to die. Obviously he tells falsehoods and has his party lying for him, (tho I do grant that many constituents are so uneducated that they simply do not know he isn’t telling the truth). Many who voted for him , myself included, are so disappointed and disillusioned that they are voting for Romney. And many others just don’t want to play the hate game nor hear anymore tall tales about Bush. They are sick and tired of him trying to distract them by pointing fingers like a little kid…”it wasn’t my fault, he started it”. With simple facts and reasoning, I have “converted” many dems to the rep way of thinking by allowing them to read info they didn’t know about and introducing what Christianity is all about. There is no hate, judgement or blame in the Christian life. Simply a walk with eyes looking forward and focus on the Love He has for us all, and the attempt to be like Jesus in not allowing the world to pull us away from God. That is what Satan does…he pulls your focus towards the world and its drama, and away from God. Those who feel uncomfortable even hearing the name of Jesus have been attacked and won over. 😦

    Well said.

  66. Because lying is a virtue… for Dems. Just chalk this up as just another racial lie the Dems have been caught in.

    CHARLOTTE – Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Shultz claimed on Monday that Israel’s ambassador to the United States has accused Republicans of being “dangerous” to Israel by criticizing President Obama’s record.

    Except for the truth:

    Israel’s ambassador to the United States rejected the claim made yesterday by the head of the Democratic National Committee that he described the Republican party as “dangerous for Israel.”

    In an emailed statement, Amb. Michael Oren said “I categorically deny that I ever characterized Republican policies as harmful to Israel. Bipartisan support is a paramount national interest for Israel, and we have great friends on both sides of the aisle.

  67. Rutherford, I applaud your effort.

    Many thanks Raji. Frankly my effort greatly disappointed me but my Messiah let me down. 😉

    There is a story to tell but Obama has made it much too hard for his non-wonky followers to tell it. Plus, the story is only worth telling to independents and undecideds. The cake is already baked for the partisans.

    Obama could inherit 16 trillion from his long lost Kenyan uncle, wipe out the deficit in one fell swoop and most of the folks here would still hate his guts.

  68. “Obama could inherit 16 trillion from his long lost Kenyan uncle, wipe out the deficit in one fell swoop and most of the folks here would still hate his guts.”

    Yes. He hates ours.

  69. With this large an ideological divide, to be conflicted (with 2 choices) doesn’t speak to one’s critical analysis as much as wilful blindness of the real issues.

    As is often the case, you are too enraptured with your own perceived intelligence.

    Put yourself in the shoes of an undecided voter who is getting LIED to daily by both parties (one the GOP more than the other) and then tell me why he should so clearly see the light.

  70. Independents I look at a little differently. I don’t think they dig ideologues, which is why they are really turned off from Obama.

    😆 😆 😆

    It must be hard to walk with your head so far up your ass. Obama is a moderate you knucklehead. When are you going to grok that? He has saved you from your worst liberal nightmares … primarily single payer.

    And what did we see last week in Tampa? A parade of moderates?

    Goddamit!!!! PLEASE get me the name and number of your dealer. I need a hit to get through the rest of this thread!

  71. Rutherford, from here you can link to the Democratic platform; for specific proposed pieces of legislation I suggest websites to Departments (State, Education, etc), also Congressional Committee websites. If you choose to read the latter be prepared for thousands of pages. Are you sure you really want to devote a year or so to reading all of this?

  72. “Put yourself in the shoes of an undecided voter who is getting LIED to daily by both parties (one the GOP more than the other) and then tell me why he should so clearly see the light.”

    For the reason I said dumbass. You have no constraints whatsoever.

    Talk about perceived intelligence. 🙄

  73. “Awwww, tell me when Barack hurt your wittle fee fees.”

    He doesn’t hurt my fee fees; he panders to yours. And that’s why you love him. As you yourself make clear Waterboy, I am the racist enemy.

  74. Ah, the famous Nate Silver of NYT fame who predicted a possible changeover of 38 seats in the 2010 Congressional elections.

    Final tally – 70 Republican pickups.

    Going to have to do better than that, buttercup. Are you ready to put your I am Woman, Hear Me Roar!!! to test test with your pocketbook, Tigress?

  75. I AM NEWTON, HEAR ME ROAR!

    I am Newton, hear me roar
    My idiocy too much to ignore
    And I need my Obama Bucks…. to spendddd

    ‘Cause I’ve heard it all before
    While I’ve been rolling on the floor
    As I hump my Obama poster once againnnn!!

    CHORUS
    Oh, yes my thighs
    Chaff together in such pain
    Yes, my hair is filled with lice
    And all the weight I’ve gained
    If I have to, I will do anything

    It’s so long (long)
    Obama’s schlong (schlong)
    I am Newton!

    Barry, you can bend me over and spank me
    Dripping wet is what you make me
    As you let me live upon the public dole

    Your black meat ever longer
    Orgasms ever the more stronger
    Please smack my fast ass, as I troll.

    CHORUS

    I am woman watch me show
    My vast idiocy from head to toe
    As I spread my vicious lies across this land
    Still a long long way to go
    As they mock my fragile ego
    I can’t make these damn Republicans understand

    I like to think I’m nice
    But they all find me a pain
    I will cover for Obama twice
    Hiding that He’s so lame
    For Obama bucks, I’ll do anything
    He’s irresistible (irresistible)
    I am Newton!!!

  76. It must be hard to walk with your head so far up your ass. Obama is a moderate you knucklehead. When are you going to grok that? He has saved you from your worst liberal nightmares … primarily single payer.

    He did nothing of the sort. In fact, the bill he signed will necessarily lead us there just as surely as our energy bills have been necessarily skyrocketing.
    It isn’t “moderate” to interfere with a bankruptcy and give a company to the union that helped wreck it in the first place. It isn’t “moderate” to thwart enforcement of immigration law. It isn’t “moderate” to push the single largest spending bill ever so as to prattle on about the success of jobs “saved or created”…I could have done better for the economy with the money simply writing a check to every American adult. It isn’t “moderate” demand a boost to the debt ceiling when even a spendthrift can see that our spending is insane. It isn’t “moderate” to give the finger to our allies, and turn down a huge job creating enterprise in the same action. It isn’t “moderate” to invest in Brasil’s oil production while stifling ours….and causing that many more workers to be idled. It isn’t “moderate” to declare war on the coal industry.

    I can continue, but as your dumb numb skull is lined with progressium™ the hardest substance known to man, I’d actually have better luck peeling the President’s lips off his mirror in the morning.

  77. Well folks, I think you’ll all want to listen to today’s radio show. My guest co-host for almost the entire hour (and we went overtime) was none other than the 800lbGorilla. 🙂

  78. So I can’t help wondering how Rutherford feels about the rampant deification of Lord Zero that is going on in Charlotte this week… Stained Glass Backdrops and “art” featuring Obama and citations to Bible verses…

    These are clearly aligned with Obama’s values, so I guess if you worship at his altar, there is no sin here….

  79. Great Video, I wonder Rutherford if you could explain some segments for me? At counter—

    1) 1:17 till 1:26. Could you help me understand this?

    2) 1:26 to 1:39. Do you hold him to HIS standards here?

    3) 1:40 to 1:54 Lol Really? Really? What ya think R?

    4) 2:07 to 2:11 Guess he failed here huh?

    5) 2:12 to 2:37 Would you accept these excuses in your corporate life?

    6) 2:40 to 3:46 Isn’t he just a bit of everything he claimed to despise?

    7) 3:56 to 4:54 NEVER talk again about Romney changing course on Issues, NEVER AGAIN!

    8) 4:54 to 6:03 Wasn’t everything here a Complete LIE?

    9) 6:05 to 7:39 I would guess even you would have to take GREAT exception to this right Rutherford?

    10) 8:04 to 9:14 Even you R would have to admit he flat out LIED to us right?

    11) 9:15 to 9:35 Do you unequivocally condemn your Messiah for this?

    12) 9:39 to 11:00 Lies, hypocrisy, your thoughts Rutherford?

    13) 11:01 to 11:39 I have to imagine this just pisses you the fuck off Rutherford. How betrayed do you feel now that you know this?

    14) 12:18 to the end Rutherford, what ya think about forcing us to do as HE wishes by raising the cost of all things HE determines should be raised to force us to do his bidding?

    I do love this video, sorry if it has been posted before. IT is a remarkable compilation of the Messiah, in his own words vs his actions and his future words. You cannot tell us you care for this country Rutherford if you cannot justify your vote with what is presented in this video. I hope by number this I have made it real easy for you to respond. I know how you HATE to respond to any legitimate source, so this is your Messiah in his own words, so I should expect you to have no problem sitting through this, right?

  80. ” and rumored harboring of nazi spies in the Second World War.”

    Tell that to the Nazis under the rubble created by his B-17s. I can’t find the data right away, but it was something like one rolling off the assembly line ever 28 minutes.

  81. Tex – I love your Newton song, but man – you got too much time on your hands. Since I quit the Evil Empire, I have never put in more work each day, nor retired happier or slept better. I barely have time for a quick smash-and-grab here at Rutherford’s house in the mornings. Wasting such creativeness as you obviously have on triviality is a crime.

  82. “Obama could inherit 16 trillion from his long lost Kenyan uncle, wipe out the deficit in one fell swoop and most of the folks here would still hate his guts.”

    How’d you know about HIM? I keep getting letters from him, although he says he’s Nigerian, not Kenyan.

    But you know how black folks lie…

  83. Sorry R, but the regulars should run to MSNBC. No greater affirmation that the left his in a hole and continues to dig in a desperate attempt to reach China to get out.

    Can;t wait to hear Gorilla with Rutherford undoubtedly working himself into a lather over trivialities. About time some clashing and tension.

  84. Rutherford, wean yourself off that TV. Heartburn should be the least concern, since it’s treatable. The brainwashing, not so much…

  85. I just learned from R’s show that an unfertilized egg is what the right wants to define as a “person” for a constitutional amendment. Who knew the GOP platform means ovulation is homicide too?

  86. Watching the convention Rutherford on C-Span. It rocks!
    For everyone information, one of my husband’s hobbies is baking.

  87. Zoe’s story got to me, later tonight I will send a generous donation to the Obama Campaign once again. I suspect my husband will do the same.

  88. This is going to be tough. Onion Booty on shortly. I got angry Ledbetter and shots of Biden looking at shiny stuff. A shitty brief written by one of our newer associates open (looks like I’ll be asking for a rewrite), and the main event: Gorilla and Rutherford without Bubbles’ dissembling and hissy fits.

    I probably shouldn’t be driving while I do this.

  89. Yeah. Inalienable rights. Rutherford hasn’t bothered with “natural law” — that philosophical underpinning of Locke and Hobbes etc.

    G b-slaps the host.

  90. Tell that to the Nazis under the rubble created by his B-17s. I can’t find the data right away, but it was something like one rolling off the assembly line ever 28 minutes.

    Which would have nothing at all to do with the other. But then I did say “rumored”, as in no one has discussed concrete evidence of it. But he did lourve him some Hitler in the thirties.

  91. The Romney struggle thing was just strange. So was the Ann Romney thing. Especially while I’m listening to Onion Booty’s recitation of their struggles — both having been raised with more privilege than anybody I grew up with and hold R,’s admiration. I am certain the Kennedy’s do too. And Kerry and Gore.. .

  92. “R is getting mighty pissy and. . . petty. What’s with all the anger?”

    You’re kidding, right? He gets kicked around pretty good in his own house. If it were me, I’d fire us all, close the damned thing, and get a decent-paying job and enjoy life.

  93. Tigre, you thought, because my husband has a permit to carry, he is Republican? No! Even some Democrats have concealed weapon permits.

  94. Wow this DNC is the modern day Nazi party. Propaganda, personal attacks, distortion, lies. I am stunned at what the Leftists have turned the Liberal party into. You all may live within our boarders, but you are not our countrymen, you are not our friends.

    Did you hear your Leftist brothers on CNN Rutherford, 1.1 million jobs in the hole since Obama took office. Guess you have some crow to eat eh?

  95. Just so you know, my husband adores women, but especially me. I knew that about him before I married him. All of his former female colleagues, including his secretary still stay in touch.

  96. Speaking of guns, I’ve been putting some serious range time as of late. I’ve improved immensely. The Smith and Wesson Governor I bought is a blast, literally. The 410 defender round with three discs and 11 bee bees is some sick shit. Its so loud the whole range some times stops in awe. All the gun guys online seem to hate on this revolver but I find it to be perfect if owning a bunch of guns is not in the cards. Kind of jack of all trades.

    The cool thing is I can run 45 Colt and 45 acp through it as well. I’m even hitting the bull’s eye from 30 feet. (good for me) I also think the internet know it alls on home defense under estimate the effectiveness of the 410 bird shot. That Govenor is sure a fun gun wheel gun to fire. Glad I bought it.

    Whats weird is I suck firing it single action. It’s like it kind of surprises me or something. I am more accurate from the 12 pound double action or at least more comfortable. Gorilla. Whats up with that?

  97. I am at the gun range 2-3 times a month. It is bar non the best therapy money can buy.

    I am so glad I decided to record the DNC. Anytime I feel myself starting to feel sorry for the left, or any thoughts of compassion, I will watch some of footage to remind myself exactly who these people are.

  98. “Oh, and PF, they were b-24s, not B-17s.”

    Yeah, thanks. I’m up to my neck in tits right now and don’t have much time to look it up. I remember that the gub’ment was pretty pissed at him because it was taking so long to get production going, but like a big flywheel, once he got rolling it was Katie-bar-the-door.

    Good lawyer story re Henry Sr. In his older years, the young guns were pissed at how Henry was maintaining a death grip on Ford Motor Company, well into his dotage, and they wanted to force him out. They challenged his competency, and a court proceeding ensued. They were hoping the embarrassment would force him to quit, or that they MIGHT win outright.

    During the proceeding, a young hotshot lawyer kept bullyragging the Old Man about various highly technical issues like the number of bolts that held on the puttersparker, etc. To each question, Henry Sr. answered, “I don’t know.”

    “Well, Mr. Ford, it seems that there are a great number of things you don’t know about your own company.”

    “Yep. And I don’t NEED to know any of that to run Ford. However, on my desk there is a panel with twenty-four buttons. Should I ever HAVE the need to know any of those things, I can press any one of those twenty-four buttons and a young fellow – exactly like you – will come running, and look it up for me.”

    End of story. Don’t know if it’s true, but makes a good tale, and that’s good enough.

    re: B24. Good airplane, but never loved by its crews like the -17. The REAL quantum leap was the B-29. Its remote control machine guns just shredded the Krauts. Lots of engine problems with heating as I recall. Long ago. Today’s young adults don’t know shit about things like that; all the facts, and more importantly the lessons learned and taught by Greatest Generation, are lost.

    But enough about the horrifying prospect of re-electing OBongo.

  99. re: S&W “Governor.” Interesting weapon; my brother has one.

    Sounds useful at first blush, but at handgun range, typically a few feet, the projectile spread is so limited, I wonder if a plain old .357 or .45 wouldn’t be just as good or better than a shotshell…might make a good snake gun, though…

    For self defense, I think it’s pretty hard to beat my .357 Trooper. Bad guys don’t walk away from encounters with that weapon.

    By the way, how does the “Governor” get around the ban on sawed-off shotguns?

  100. Tigre, you thought, because my husband has a permit to carry, he is Republican? No! Even some Democrats have concealed weapon permits.” – Newt

    Especially the ones that live in Dem controlled cities…

  101. Tigre, it was not planned, I just happened to call in earlier in the show.

    I can’t help but suspect that there was a little bit of intentional hyperbole going on. Surely R is not that incensed at Romney’s ‘struggle’. I really did have a hard time understanding what the issue was.

  102. Well, in this Dem controlled city they don’t bother with permits or rights. They just carry.

    G, intentional or not, it’s pretty weird. Emotionally driven and so clearly born of class envy (and I suspect race too). I thought you did a good job setting things straight even if it fell on deaf ears. I really wish R had a better defense of his positions though. It was like setting up bowling pins.

    Did you see any of the DNC? I thought Onion Booty was shallow but effective in her delivery — and that’s all the sycophants need for validation. Inspiration built on cheap platitudes. So I think it was a score for the dems albeit a short-lived one when the subject returns to substance. Deval reminded me of that inevitability.

  103. The Dumbing Down of America
    And we are supposed to elect a president based on testimonials? I’ll say it again, the convention mentality is all about wearing hats and tooting the horns be it the DNC or the RNC.

  104. Tex – I love your Newton song, but man – you got too much time on your hands. Since I quit the Evil Empire, I have never put in more work each day, nor retired happier or slept better. I barely have time for a quick smash-and-grab here at Rutherford’s house in the mornings. Wasting such creativeness as you obviously have on triviality is a crime.

    😆 I got a lot of time on my hands when I’m sitting here with my dad. You’re right about that.

    That took about 15 minutes max. Newton is such an easy target, from her moronic stories, to her wimpy husband, to her pissing herself over Obama, I had a good laugh filling in the blanks.

    I’ve got this “talent”, where I can take some popular song and change the lyrics in about 10-15 minutes. Too bad you can’t make money off something like that.

    I’ve written some pretty funny ones for another site long ago when I put my mind to it, under a different name that still float around the net.

  105. DR, if I had to guess, I’d say you’re not holding the gun tight enough shooting single action. Plus, you’re a big guy, so bringing back a 12lb pull (which is huge) isn’t such a big deal. Get a smaller cat on that thing and they’ll be pulling the rounds to the side because the pull is too strong and they don’t have the grip strength. Stop anticipating the shot, and squeeze evenly on single action and I think you’ll improve your grouping.

    My carry piece is a Colt Commander 1911 with Starfire HP. My intention is to turn your chest into a train tunnel. Whoo hooo.

  106. I only got to listen to a little of Michelle Antoinette’s prepared speech. She’s gotten much better in four years at delivery. However, you can put a pig in a pink dress with lipstick and it’s still a pig.

    The parts I listened to were nothing but nanny government programs. And there were still tears! 😆 These attendees are pathetic and helpless.

    Here’s a question for Mendacious Lawson…

    What good is a Pell grant, a student loan, a handout to college, when you can’t get a job upon exit? That student loan shiite that Dims keep passing about how they’ve saved “the cheap interest rates” is one of their most egregious lies.

    It’s 6.8% the day you leave college. 3.4% only applies while still a student.

    So what Dims have successfully done is burden unemployable college graduates with loans they can’t pay, and without the ability to default on those – by hoodwinking the stooges again.

    What a racket and what a bunch of garbage. That’s the next bubble to burst, so this time don’t come giving us that shit about how Bush caused it when it happens – this is sheer, lying Dim game playing.

  107. R, this is for you and your 4.5 million jobs… or not.

    The facts:

    The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it’s not the whole picture.

    Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.

    While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it’s only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date. The private jobs figure stood at 111 million in January 2009, the month Obama took office.

    And total nonfarm payrolls, including government workers, are down from 133.6 million workers at the beginning of 2009 to 133.2 million in July 2012. There’s been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office, despite a surge in temporary hiring for the 2010 census.

    Meanwhile, the jobs that have come back aren’t the same ones that were lost.

    According to a study released last week by the liberal-leaning National Employment Law Project, low-wage fields such as retail sales and food service are adding jobs nearly three times as fast as higher-paid occupations.

    Conclusion:

    The figure of 4.5 million jobs is accurate if you look at the most favorable period and category for the administration. But overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office at the height of the recession.

    [I]f you look at the most favorable period and category for the administration…” You’re gonna have to help me with this R, who was it that said something about lying and virtues? I can’t quite put my finger on it… oh, wrong finger, there it is, in the middle of my hand…

  108. Gorilla,

    If America is stupid enough to look at this:

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000/

    ….and not recognize that Obama and his monkeys are lying through their teeth about job creation, it won’t matter a wit who is running the country.

    A country can’t be burdened by millions of thieves and morons who eat this candy the Dims spew and survive more than a couple of generations. These are thieves and liars you are trying to reason with.

    Do you guys really want to live the remainder of your days with people who hate your guts, and still have the unmitigated gall to lie about you while they are living off the sweat of your brow and the talents you bring?

    We’re fooling ourselves if we think these pukes are teachable.

    These are products of a lifetime of indoctrination, and they’re way too far around the bend to save. And they weren’t worth saving to begin with.

  109. Gorilla, I give you the easiest Obama claims to debunk first. And remember, this will be front and center to be used as prop of Obama’s “greatness.”

    GM is once again flirting with bankruptcy despite massive government purchases propping up its sales figures. GM stock is rock-bottom. Losses continue to be revised in the wrong direction. According to The Detroit News, “The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That’s 15 percent higher than its previous forecast.”

    The claims that GM paid back its taxpayer-funded loans “in full” — a story peddled in campaign ads narrated by Hollywood actor Tom Hanks — were debunked by the Treasury Department’s TARP watchdog this summer. GM still owes nearly $30 billion of the $50 billion it received, and its lending arm still owes nearly $15 billion of the more than $17 billion it received. Bailout watchdog Mark Modica of the National Legal and Policy Center adds: “In addition to U.S. taxpayers anteing up, Canada put in over $10 billion, and GM was relieved of about $28 billion of bondholder obligations as UAW claims were protected. That’s an improvement of almost $90 billion to the balance sheet, and the company still lags the competition.”

    And yet, millions of people will leave the Dimocratic Convention this week totally convinced that not only was saving GM a “job creator”, but that it was a incredible achievement for Obama. Worse, Obama will use it to hide his abhorrent record, when it is part of the abhorrent record.

    That’s what I mean. We may win this election, but it won’t change much when you’ve got this much abject stupidity in this country, and at least 95% of it in one party.

  110. Tit for tat. The DNC is being criticized for removing G-d from their platform. 😆 He was part of the 2008 convention, but has been dropped from this one. Must have been deemed ineffectual, or the GOP claimed rights to Him. Of course the spin is they have gone to the dark side, as if they weren’t already there.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/159663#.UEdxIbKPV8E

    This is all so silly to me, especially coming from the source it is. I guess G-d must approve of occupation, war, and genocide, just like He supposedly did in the Old Testament. Obviously He’s on the side of the “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” crew.

    Rude awakening due anytime now. Gird yourself.

  111. When we finally forced his hand by making fun on him, he was forced to admit he lied previously in this post.

    What the hell are you talking about?

    BTW, Tex stop posting the stupid Men in Pajamas employment chart. It’s stupid. It measures Obama’s predictions. So wow Obama’s not a fortune teller. I asked you the first time you posted this dumb chart what were the economic projections (by trained economists) for unemployment without stimulus? You ignored the request then and you’ll ignore it now.

    As I wrote over at BiW’s we’ve had clear private sector job growth. What is hurting us is public sector job losses due to insufficient stimulus.

  112. Tex stop posting the stupid Men in Pajamas employment chart.

    Lol. Every time I see the pajama link my mind goes here…

  113. PF … regarding your New York Times Henry Ford piece …. dammit man … I’ve been saying this for years on this blog to a totally deaf audience.

    A MAJOR ingredient to our problem right now is a change in business culture. CEO’s no longer value the worker. The notion that a happy worker makes a happy healthy company has gone right down the toilet.

    I worked at Acme Anvils for 24 years. Until about 1991, the company had an unwritten full employment policy. You got fired if you were totally incompetent or if you stole from the company. Otherwise, if you showed up and put in a decent days effort, you had a job. F*CKING GUARANTEED!!!!! Do you know how that puts the mind at ease? Do you know how enthusiastic workers are when they know they can count on their company to not arbitrarily fire them? Do you know the talk of unionizing at Acme was near non-existent? Who needs a union when management treats you with respect like a f*cking human being?

    And yes … you could count on a decent wage too that increased every year. Acme Anvils did not lay off a single goddam employee during the Great Depression.

    But in the early 90’s everything changed. The week that I “graduated” from New Manager’s School, a Newsweek article was published outing the Acme CEO as dissing the sales team for Acme’s recent problems. NO CEO … LET ME STRESS THIS … NO CEO in the history of Acme had ever blamed the workers. CEO’s always took it on the chin and wondered what could be done top down to help matters. It was ASSUMED that the workers were doing their best. It was a positive, brotherly (or maybe paternal) corporate attitude. That Newsweek article was the beginning of the end. I got into management to empower employees and within a year or two I was laying them off.

    I really cry for all these a$$wipe corporations and their “uncertainty”. F*ck them! Risk is a part of business. Regulation is a part of business. Regs didn’t get invented under Obama. These greedy mofo’s are sitting on tons of capital that could go into expansion and hiring. But no … they’re so “uncertain”. It’s bullsh*t.

    Acme currently posts great profits … yet there’s always an excuse for another layoff. Half the jobs they give to Indians and Brazilians don’t get f*cking done cos there’s no accountability, There are Indians who don’t show up for conference calls …. they just don’t show up. And their managers don’t do squat about it. Yeah that’s a real effective outsourcing strategy.

    On Facebook, where my real identity is known as is Acme’s real identity, I criticized the company mildly … my wife still works there and I’m very careful for fear of a retributive layoff …and a former colleague of mine who is an executive there got pissy with me. I told him he was wrong. Then when he did a “like” on Mitt Romney I clicked “ignore” on him so I wouldn’t see his bullsh*t in my feed anymore.

    I liked the guy when I was there … but like so many folks who got themselves into the executive ranks, he forgot the old Acme and he defended the status quo. F*ck him too.

    Sorry for the piss and vinegar but that article got my blood boiling. PF I’m telling you, at least 50% of this problem can’t be solved by Washington … either through more OR less involvement in the economy. Companies are a lot like many people nowadays. Selfish bastards. Our society is slowly degrading and this is just one signpost on the way. 😦 👿

  114. Didn’t you say there was an Obama plan, Keebler? You droned on for weeks it was coming. And now that we’ve proven our point, only you seem too dumb to need explanation as to what you said vs. what is, even after you wrote an entire post about there being no plan.

    So you lied for weeks, and after unmerciful mocking from at least five of us, you finally fessed up.

    Tex stop posting the stupid Men in Pajamas employment chart. It’s stupid.

    Why? It’s the only measurable thing Obama and his toe suckers were willing to provide with something hard and not abstract. Looks really bad, doesn’t it? And they failed – MISERABLY. It measures Obama’s broken promises.

    One of hundreds you can’t bring yourself to hold Mr. Hussein accountable for because you need the hand out, the safety net, the hug for your family from Michelle Antoinette, the save me Obama tears, the personal reinvestment of your soul. Admit it, Obama’s failure is your failure. And I am laughing at your Peter Pan naivety every day, because you’ve reverted back to a Fatty Granny shrew.

    Do you realize you’re parroting the same thing at this very moment those dimwits at Fat Grannies are? And you expect me to conclude you’re not just like them?

  115. R, 300,000 private sector jobs, the majority of which are low wage positions, is not not or good. That’s the whole point of the CNN article I posted. Fact checkers debunked Obama’s jobs claims, so stop lying to yourself.

  116. I think I’ll create my own chart of what Obama promised about the debt and what he delivered? Would you like that instead, Mensa? It will look far worse, I promise.

    I asked you the first time you posted this dumb chart what were the economic projections (by trained economists) for unemployment without stimulus? You ignored the request then and you’ll ignore it now.

    You’re lying again. I told you in the previous thread it doesn’t exist and can’t be measured – it’s sheer conjecture trying to cover the overestimation of a the first FAILED STIMULUS. Last I heard, it was being referred to as “LIVES TOUCHED” after “JOBS SAVED” wasn’t polling well. 😆

    Then I asked you, exactly how are we to measure something that can’t be measured? Math? Or your feelings and your gut instinct? It was you who never answered.

    And by the looks of that performance of estimated vs. actual, I can see why you wouldn’t want to put your “feelings” to the test.

    You have no idea how pitiful you are when you’re trying to cover instead of admitting you were wrong, do you?

    ———-

    Pfesser,

    As I wrote over at BiW’s we’ve had clear private sector job growth. What is hurting us is public sector job losses due to insufficient stimulus.

    This is what your hedging your bets on? This monument to the sheer stupidity of Obama’s most loyal followers? More stimulus, more public sector growth? That will save us? That’s what ails us?

    Consider this.

    Rutherford, Thor, and the lesser dimwits are blaming the lack of cooperation by the Republicans for the ratings downgrade. The amount of the debt is irrelevant – just the fact the Tea Party won’t cooperate is what got us downgraded.

    I wonder what reasons Rutherford and Thor would give for the debt rating downgrade of much of Europe, including Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, and Greece?

    Was that the Republican’s fault too?

    I can’t believe an educated man of professional credential and understanding of personal finance could make the same tragic mistake twice.

    And I don’t think you will.

  117. OK, watch this:

    Now, watch this, specifically the 58 second mark:

    A BALD FACED LIE on national TV. Really R, you know why Mooch had to tell the American people that Obama “is a man we can trust”? Because nobodies trusts you guys. Lie, after lie, after lie. You’ve tried to split hairs on interpretations to facts, but you’ve NEVER been able to show a lie as blatant as this.

    Is this what makes you so virtuous?

  118. Let’s hope this time, a majority of Americans can get beyond the boob tube and the soundbites, the Styrofoam columns and the empty platitudes, and wise the fuck up.

    How? By watching Sean “Lou Costello” Hannity? By reading madman Beck’s the Blaze? Ahhh maybe snarky Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller … or we can always look at Michelle Malkin’s lame Tweet aggregater. Twitchy. Feh.

  119. Hahahahahahaha, you dropped trou, exposed yourself, and now you’ve got your junk caught in the zipper…

    CHARLOTTE — President Obama’s campaign is distancing itself from a Democratic Convention video in which a speaker says “government is the only thing that we all belong to.”

    Republicans quickly jumped on the comment, saying it reflects the Democrats’ eagerness to impose government on people’s lives.

    “We don’t belong to government, the government belongs to us,” tweeted GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

  120. I really cry for all these a$$wipe corporations and their “uncertainty”. F*ck them! Risk is a part of business. Regulation is a part of business. Regs didn’t get invented under Obama. These greedy mofo’s are sitting on tons of capital that could go into expansion and hiring. But no … they’re so “uncertain”. It’s bullsh*t.

    Acme currently posts great profits … yet there’s always an excuse for another layoff. Half the jobs they give to Indians and Brazilians don’t get f*cking done cos there’s no accountability, There are Indians who don’t show up for conference calls …. they just don’t show up. And their managers don’t do squat about it. Yeah that’s a real effective outsourcing strategy.

    I liked the guy when I was there … but like so many folks who got themselves into the executive ranks, he forgot the old Acme and he defended the status quo. F*ck him too.

    Bitter.

    Anybody else sniff of whiff of fascism in this reply? From the same guy who demands businesses take a risk in this rancid environment of Obama’s hostility toward business? A private environment one Michelle Antoinette Obama never mentioned? But a blogger who demands a safety net of Obama stash for he and his family?

    Bitter.

    And yes, a multitude of costly and worthless regs have been created under Obama – one in particular call ironically the Dodd-Frank Act; named and created after perhaps the two congressman most responsible for the housing Fannie Mae collapse.

    Along the same lines as a tax cheat for treasurer and a tax cheat as head of the Ways & Means writing the tax laws.

    This is what your find Dimocratic Fascists Party has become.

  121. R, I didn’t really know where you were going yesterday with the whole struggle thing, but when I mentioned Obama “struggle” you got defensive and pulled it back to Romney.

    Mooch is making the exact same claim, except that we know Romney built something, what the hell has Obama ever done again?

    “Barack knows the American Dream because he’s lived it, and he wants everyone in this country to have that same opportunity, no matter who we are, or where we’re from, or what we look like, or who we love,” Michelle Obama said. “He believes that when you’ve worked hard, and done well, and walked through that doorway of opportunity, you do not slam it shut behind you. You reach back, and you give other folks the same chances that helped you succeed.” – Mooch

  122. By the way …. I’m smelling a scent on the blog today as the Dem convention unfolds and it’s a very bitter scent.

    GUFFAW!!!!

    Two observations: First, it is interesting how after a night at the Dem convention I don’t feel like I need a bath. Second it is also interesting to see the speakers (and ultimately the candidate) be consistent with the party platform in contrast to the Republicans who run away from their platform.

    SECOND GUFFAW!!!!

    Newt, enjoy these next few days on the blog as you watch the liars, spinners and deceivers twist themselves in knots. It is entertaining as hell.

    Oooooo they’re so …. bitter. 😉

  123. PF, a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama.

    Wow what a show of confidence for your candidate!!!! One would think that Obama, the abject failure, needs EVERY vote he can get and that Paul votes will guarantee a Romney victory.

    Mitt’s lucky you’re not on his campaign staff. 🙂

  124. Man up PF. You’re either with Obama, or you’re against him and Paul ain’t a choice.

    A vote for Romney is a vote for Ralph Reed. (PF watch the Moyers episode if you’re still on the fence. You won’t be when the hour is up.)

  125. For a guy that’s so clean and so delighted with the Convention, you sure do seem to have a hostility today, Mensa. I’m glad you’ve got Newton to lean on. Really…

    I get the feeling, you’ve shit your pants a little and sprayed the room with your wife’s perfume in the attempt to….

  126. I must admit that “Blame it on Bush” totally buries that dumbass country song “I Built It”. Really clever lyrics and a good melody. If Dick Clark were alive I’d tell him it has a good beat to dance to also.

  127. Rutherford,

    And this is honest. I already watched my convention, or most of it. I was out last night and spared the sanctimony and malarkey. I believe virtually anyone that votes Dimocrat these days is either stupid, worthless and/or a lying benefactor of government.

    I’m not wasting good TV to listen to those I abhor – only when the news is bad for Obama. I’ve read the talking points and I saw the “highlights” this morning.

    I’m just hear to set the record straight with something you fear.

    The real record of Obama….

  128. “I’ve got this “talent”, where I can take some popular song and change the lyrics in about 10-15 minutes. Too bad you can’t make money off something like that.” – Tex

    I think I outed Tex. 😉

  129. Sorry Tex … The Voters write better songs than you do. Keep your day job.

    Bet they can’t do it in 15 minutes, though.

    Should I write one for you? Pick a song, and I’ll be glad to “revise” the lyrics for your honor as a living testament to my great admiration for your message…

    I guess the “love” has gone out of our relationship, hey? 😛 I sense a real hatred of old Tex anymore.

    Good….Good.

  130. Hate to bud in, but what about those entering (or supposed to be entering) the workforce for the first time?

    Tigre as far as I can tell that wasn’t mentioned in Political Math’s analysis and it certainly wasn’t mentioned by Noah.

    I understand your point that it effects the unemployment rate.

  131. Rutherford
    If you chime in on a topic I feel you are obligated to take it to a conclusion, whatever that may be. I have tried playing it both ways. When you ignore posts you have chimed in on, I try asking and asking for a response and you whine. I have tried waiting, and 4 days later nothing. So what works for you? We have a difference of opinion and we each try to show the other we are right. The problem is as soon as the conversation appears to have you on the losing end, you stop responding rather than stepping up and admitting you are wrong. I consider this to be very fucking rude as I think a lot of other people do. How can you ask other people to give you civilized conversation and consideration of your thoughts if you refuse to do the same?

    Knowing you as I do, I know your first response would be to say the conversation never ends or that no one is ever satisfied. To that I would respond that one liners are not a fair response either. Somewhere in the middle I am sure would satisfy everyone.If you respond to something someone says, I think it is reasonable for them to respond back and you answer to their rebuttal. So I am asking you, step up, and carry a conversation on long enough where both sides get a reasonable amount of back and forth so we can consider a topic closed. Deal?

  132. Thor,

    As much as I find you revolting in your politics, in some twisted way, I find our thinking much alike. A real paradox, as that was exactly my thought after I wrote that.

    But Newton’s dedication was only in jest. I would like to give some real effort in one I would dedicate to Rutherford for letting me clutter up his blog the last four years. He’s deserving of my best and it has been a long time since I made the attempt. 😈

    Anybody have a particular, popular tune I can ‘serenade’ Mr. Hussein Rutherford with?

  133. Rutherford enjoy your little vacation,dreamscape or whatever you want to call the DNC.
    The TRUTH is that convention platforms are a joke.
    Governing requires a plan and as of now the only party with a plan is the Republicans.
    The feelings tour being unleashed in Charlotte shows how shallow the democrats are.Perhaps on thursday the nation will be told some truths,some hint of a plan. Perhaps by then something other than glib platitudes will be espoused so that the voters can know it is 2012 and the sitting party of power has a reason and right to reelection. Perhaps….
    On a side note….

    I was letting an earlier overgeneralization by you go but since you’ve gone broad brush yet again I gotta speak up.
    I don’t know why exactly that it tweaks my berries so but when you get to lumping all the folks in one basket,myself included,I take offense to it. No offense to others here but I try to carry myself a certain way and as such think I deserve not to have it implied that I’m a liar,spinner or deceiver. I also think everyone else deserves better as well and if you want to enviscerate sources or points have at it. Hell I respect you enough that you can’t be expected to comb through every comment,every link, every source and would ask you and your leftie brethren to extend the same courtesy.
    I also (again I can’t explain why it bothers me so) have to call you out on your earlier slight. You put up posts and get traffic but not for nothing the hits the “unreachables” or dare I use the caste system term untouchables deliver to you helps to get your stuff out there. Seriously do you get 700+ comments and 1000’s of hits on your Salon entries,BTR,Leaning Left or wherever ?

  134. First off Noah, it’s not rude – its what libs do, so get use to it.

    Secondly, R actually goes through EVERY SINGLE POST, which means that if he’s off gallivanting somewhere (GASP, a real life!) then he gets behind. If you haven’t noticed, he’s replying to stuff from yesterday right now, so grab a cold one, kick your feet up, and chill. He’ll get to you…

  135. Ahh so you are of the opinion that Table A and Table B are the creation of this website so they are required to explain to you their creation and what it means?

    OK, this is my last comment on the subject cos I’m not in the mood for another round-robin semantic clusterf*ck with you. I tried to sincerely engage with you on understanding what Political Math was getting at and you’re already playing games.

    What do you mean by “this website”? Are you referring to Political Math? No I am not saying they created the data. The data was pulled from BLS. And NO I am not saying the data from BLS is invalid.

    I am saying the explanation Political Math gives for his methodology (using Table A instead of Table B) made no sense to me and I further stated your attempts to explain PolMath’s logic made no sense to me.

    So let’s call it a draw. You have a better understanding of the matter and it is not possible for me to learn from you on this topic in this forum.

  136. “In this idyllic landscape of Democratic magical thinking, there is no state and local budget crises, no unaffordable and underfunded defined-benefit public pension obligations, nothing at all standing in the way of ‘investing’ in our public safety, except (in ex-Republican Stern’s words) ‘right-wing extremists.’ Vallejo, California is not bankrupt because of public employee pensions, and the rest of the state is not following suit. It’s a hell of a place, this Democrat-land. Wish I could live there. . . .

    One of the great ironies of this convention already is that speaker after speaker denounces Republicans for being unable to tell the truth or get their facts straight. Meanwhile, one of the most important truths of modern governance—we are well and truly out of money—sits neglected in the corner.”

    Ouch! Reality Bites the Yes We Can!!!

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/05/denialist-democrats

  137. Gorilla
    Maybe I am not articulating my point well. It has nothing to do with timing, rather the tactic used as you pointed out. Just because it is their way doesn’t mean we should have to settle for it.

  138. In my absence, I can only hope this talk of Holocaust denial is a bad inside joke I’m not in on. If anyone here actually doubts the Holocaust happened, read the following words from, some would say, the greatest American public servant of the Twentieth Century.

    “On a recent tour of the forward areas in First and Third Armies, I stopped momentarily at the salt mines to take a look at the German treasure. There is a lot of it. But the most interesting — although horrible — sight that I encountered during the trip was a visit to a German internment camp near Gotha. The things I saw beggar description. While I was touring the camp I encountered three men who had been inmates and by one ruse or another had made their escape. I interviewed them through an interpreter. The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops the tendency to charge these allegations merely to “propaganda.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower.

  139. 220
    Good video that I think made a great point. Change doesn’t come from stimulus, it comes from within. The answer isn’t more stimulus, its government getting the hell out of the way and letting people keep what they earn.

  140. I am saddened that his entire presidency has been wasted on programs with his name attached

    Huh? Is she referring to Obamacare? He didn’t coin that. His enemies did. And now he is very cleverly embracing it.

    There is no hate, judgement or blame in the Christian life.

    LOL this coming from a woman who uses words like “despicable and heartless”. Naaah, not a bit of judgment there. Hope this lady isn’t a friend of yours Noah cos she’s a fool.

  141. Hey Tex, Mr. Mathematically Gifted, look at the chart in my piece. It shows a dropoff in manufacturing jobs in recent months. So guess what? Your observation earlier in the thread falls in the category of “no sh*t Sherlock”.

  142. OMFG … Gorilla how could you be such a tool? Debbie says one thing, Oren says another and in the he said/she said, you’re just so damn sure about who’s lying.

    You know what? Debbie is such an idiot lately that it is highly more likely that she divulged a confidence than that she lied. Once Oren got caught with his magic underpants down, he cried liar liar pants on fire. Oh sorry I forgot … magic underpants are flame retardant. Doh I forgot Oren is a Jew. Oh never mind. 😀

  143. Your observation earlier in the thread falls in the category of “no sh*t Sherlock”.

    Yeah, I know “math” major turned Spaniard.

    I wanted to reinforce that graph you provided above is skewed to make the Bammi look good, when it reality, manufacturing is in the toilet. Anybody can monkey with the axis and a timetable…and twist a graph.

    And any numb nuts with the right authority can dump $90 billion into GM and raise the automotive manufacturing bar for a short time. Probably a French major constructed that graph for you. Have you noticed recently, while Chevy lives, the government bought a great majority of its cars and the Green Volt Production Line is shut down. Isn’t that amazing?

    I don’t think that falls into the “No Shit Sherlock…” but into the “Lives Touched” Category that you keep assuring us saved us from The Depression.

    So what’s the big problem now, Mensa?

  144. I am saddened that his entire presidency has been wasted on programs with his name attached

    Huh? Is she referring to Obamacare? He didn’t coin that. His enemies did. And now he is very cleverly embracing it.

    Have you forgotten where Obama inserted himself into our Presidential history? Have you forgotten recently where he mentioned himself some 48 times by name, where Romney only did once, and then only at the introduction?

  145. Gorilla,

    Obviously our blog host knows very little of Michael Oren and the Likud Party – basically Mensa is unteachable, as he hates Israel, much as Obama hates Israel.

    I’m just sure Binjamin Netanyahu and Michael Oren now surely must understand that the Israeli Jew hating Dimocratic Party just wrote Israel out of their charter, like they wrote God out of their charter.

    At least the Dims don’t try to hide it anymore, and that’s a step in the truth direction. It happens so infrequently concerning Dims, that I was shocked. They’ve put their hopes and aspirations on Mecca.

    DebbieWhatHerName Schultz, of otter face and Buckwheat hair, just lied through her teeth and was busted. But that’s becoming almost a daily occurrence.

  146. Noah thanks for the BLS link. I’ve seen it before …. in fact I thought I had posted BLS links in one of my responses to you.

    The one thing I caught here that I missed before is that Table B potentially double counts people if they worked for two different companies in the survey period.

    This makes the following comment by PolMath totally nonsensical:

    I’m using the Employment table from the BLS A Tables. This is not the one that most Obama proponents prefer to use. They prefer using the BLS B Tables because they give numbers that are kinder to Obama. But the B Tables undercount employment (they only count payrolls) and everyone knows this. Emphasis mine.

    He’s right about why Obama would like Table B because it OVERCOUNTS employment, not undercounts employment as he wrote in his analysis.

    I think we’ve settled the matter. PolMath using Table A does hurt Obama’s numbers and is probably a more valid approach that avoids the potential dups in Table B. PolMath’s only problem is he wrote the wrong thing when he described his methodology.

  147. Are you sure you really want to devote a year or so to reading all of this?

    Newt, no and no one else does either. That is why Obama needs to get “the plan” in an easy to digest format that can be placed side by side with Romney’s PDF file.

  148. Newt, no and no one else does either. That is why Obama needs to get “the plan” in an easy to digest format that can be placed side by side with Romney’s PDF file.

    Too bad technical writing is a dying art. Still, at least the union teachers are getting paid. And it isn’t like its their fault that they have to continually dumb-down the curriculum and ever shage students’ answers on tests because they can’t pass otherwise, right? Right?

    Besides, if you extract the bullshit from it, you aren’t left with much more than “Barack Hussein Obama…MMM MMM MMM. Barack Hussein Obama…MMM MMM MMM.”

  149. I was going to joke about how funny it would be if “I Am Woman” was actually written by a man but alas Helen Reddy wrote the lyrics herself. A dude wrote the melody.

  150. “Oren says another and in the he said/she said, you’re just so damn sure about who’s lying.”

    I thought she denied making the statement at all. The one that was captured on video.

  151. Noah, I found your comment over at Political Math’s web site and you are indeed an ass. I never said he falsified the data. I said his explanation of his method was either mistaken or pure baloney.

    I’ve clarified my statement over at PolMath’s site. Feel free to go there if you want a flame war on someone else’s blog. But the dude is doing some interesting work so your bullsh*t over there does him a disservice.

  152. Alfie @ 220. Very salient reminder how many people are suffering still. I assume those were textile plants. So, what is the answer? Re-training for the digital age, Boeing? Bring back tariffs? Mitt’s plan is to cut taxes, drill for oil and eliminate regulations. How would any of that help re-open those plants?

    North Carolina is right-to-work. Apparently that wasn’t the panacea.

  153. Somebody better tell the Michigan GOP Gov. that Obama didn’t save the auto industry.

    “Snyder: Well again I think too much time is spent on the bailout. It was something that got done. It did work in terms of keeping Chrysler and GM going which was important, but as a practical matter Michiganders (are) there all the time.”

  154. “I was starting to worry about you Thor. Damn I’m looking forward to your return!” – R

    Thanks R but no worries. Sorry to leave you hanging. Took a little trip up to Alaska and then spent the waning days of summer off the blogs until the kids went back to school.

    Hope Noah wasn’t too hard on you. I see he’s still calling people “bitch”. 🙂

  155. Quote of the Day (Demonstrating the rank hypocrisy of our beloved host and his beloved party)

    “Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured… but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.”

    Now add this: “Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.” ~ Ben Stein

  156. Thor,

    I see you’re still on the drill-baby-drill (not). Let’s talk about green energy and its successes.

    Last I saw, after billions of dollars in investment wind and solar are providing 1.5% of the nation’s required energy resources. That ranks wind and solar directly behind wood in kilowatt hour provided.

    Add to the fact, that the green industry has received 100 times the allocation of subsidies per kilowatt hour compared to hydrocarbons, maybe you could provide your solution? 😐

    Because I’m sure 98.5% of the people out there are not going to be very happy if the lights happen to go off.

  157. Does PolMath’s Federal Tax Rates & A Fair Share take into account deductions or is it simply tax rates? Tax rates are meaningless if the rich have access to write offs not available to the middle class and poor.

    What they are taxed is not necessarily what they pay.

  158. Received Ann Althouse today:

    Ann —

    I know your life is full — with work, or school, or family — and yet you still find the time to help out when you can.

    You may have a tight budget, but you give what you can afford.

    A woman recently told the campaign her family skipped a pizza dinner at their favorite place so that they could make a difference in this election.

    That is the commitment that drives this campaign.

    If you can support Barack with a donation today, please know it makes a huge difference. If we win, it will be because of what you did at moments like this….

    Thanks,

    Michelle

    P.S. — It meant a lot to me to speak with you and everyone else last night. Thank you for everything you do.

    —————–

    Just a little bit cloying, don’t you think? If you will send your wedding gifts and skip your family pizza outings, Obama just might win this yet.

    ** VOMIT ** Perhaps you should keep your wedding presents and eat your pizza by selecting a more qualified candidate.

    This is why Marie Antoinette Obama disgusts me as a person.

    Pretentious and entitled as hell.

  159. “maybe you could provide your solution?” – Tex

    Cut down ALL the trees for firewood, then there will be more wind. 🙂

    I mentioned oil because it’s part of Romney’s “plan”, that’s all.

  160. Cut down ALL the trees for firewood, then there will be more wind. 🙂

    Actually, for a Dimocrat, that ain’t bad. There’s only one problem. See, for wind to work, it has to get to the grid. You could cut down all the trees in the Northwest and you would still have a problem with transmission.

    T. Boone Picken’s company estimated it would cost two trillion dollars just to establish the grid.

    Got any other great ideas? That one was more realistic than any Mensa the Spaniard has proposed today. And Newt can’t get off the couch.

    At least you’re trying.

  161. Noah, regarding 121 … I’m not playing your game. I don’t owe you point by point analysis of a video. It’s a collection of soundbites, typical of the soundbite politics we play nowadays.Campaign promises are advertisements. They show intent. They are not binding agreements. Things change. Sh*t happens. Grow the f*ck up and realize that every POTUS ends up eating some of his words when reality hits.

    Judging by the fact that 95% of the views expressed by Romney were contradicted by Romney in years past, we can have ZERO confidence in HIS campaign promises.

    Have a nice day.

  162. Rutherford, that indefinable thing about Ann Romney that bothers you might be the same thing that bothers me. She used her illnesses, MS and Breast Cancer, to demonstrate her ability to empathize to others. But where was the empathy? Did she talk about people losing their ability to make a living while in the midst of their disease? Losing not only a salary, but also their health insurance? Copays? Travel expenses to specialists? The woman just doesn’t get it! The Romneys don’t get it! But she says, “I love you women.” I don’t wish anything bad to befall her, she has had her share of illness, but I don’t want Mitt and Ann Romney in the White House. I really don’t!

  163. This just in from Politico:

    “President Obama ordered his staff to have the Democratic Party’s platform language changed to include God and affirm Jerusalem as the proper capital of Israel, a campaign source said Wednesday.”

    Maybe I SHOULD write in Ron Paul?

  164. DAMN, every time I think there is a remote possibility of dealing with you reasonably Noah, you come up the punk.

    Sounds like he’s growing on you. 😆 Just know some growths need surgical removal.

  165. Rutherford, I never denied the Holocaust. It’s just Tex making shit up again, per usual. The guy really needs a cheat sheet to keep up with the facts. But, then again, even that requires a little self disciple and desire. Not looking too promising there…

  166. Pfessor, yeah the “Governor” is banned in some states. I know it’s illegal in California.

    If you saw the bizarre lay out of my home, you would see why the 410 bird shot is my defense go to at home.

    I think the 410 defense round would be perfect in the car as the anti car jack gun.

    Honestly, I don’t know how you guys can get into these pep rallies. GOP or DEM. I can’t bear to watch them.

    Now the debates…I try not to miss those.

  167. Thor, your entire party is phony, including your President. See for yourself…

    Thought I pointed this out in 185? Oh right, you don’t follow MY links. Forgot. 🙄 I do see that Breitbart goes straight to Israel for their talking points. I had suspected it, but now with some concrete proof. Little more tail wagging the dog.

  168. If writing in Ron Paul makes you comfortable Poolman, then that is what you should do.

    It’s just like a done deal, Newt. The list of folks I know that are going to do just that has been growing. My daughter and her husband some of the latest. Now she is aggressively urging her friends and coworkers to do the same.

    Dr Paul already said he won’t run third party.

  169. President Obama ordered his staff to have the Democratic Party’s platform language changed to include God and affirm Jerusalem as the proper capital of Israel, a campaign source said Wednesday.” Rutherford

    Wow. How could you vote for such a scary Dominionist. You better vote Ron Paul…I agree.

  170. No damn wonder I like Cecile Richards from Planned Parenthood so much, her mother was former Governor Ann Richards. Love, love Ann Richard’s!

  171. @ thor 243 I don’t know what the answer is I just know America is chock full of towns like the one in the BBC report.
    I personally subscribe to a rather grandiose vision of the reemergence of Americas smaller cities via a myriad of individually based projects and taking on the complexion of multiple city/state entities like times long ago.
    It is actually happening on a mega scale in China where cities are finding their niches and growing. In some cases the central govt. is even creating niche cities from scratch. Now I obviously don’t advocate that but I can’t help but imagine that the things that made areas the place to be once aren’t still there in some viable portion.
    To address some of your points though I’d offer:
    Re-training for the digital age: no but there are a bevy of blue collar jobs that go hand in hand with a number of advances including energy sector jobs.Also please don’t get me started on the skilled manufacturing gap America is experiencing.
    Boeing
    If you mean that a global company could find opportunities in some places in America and get a win/win thing going….YES
    Bring back tariffs Weeeelllllll I actually support tariffs about as equally as I embrace quality FTA’s. I am also on record for what I called a pre-consumer VAT. I especially like that if we can use it as a tariff incognito. Also since I’m a Panda Basher I obviously applaud actions such as Mexico and Brazils punishing of China on textile items to save their home markets
    Mitt’s plan is to cut taxes, drill for oil and eliminate regulations. Well I think targeting and controlling taxes is a good idea. I think fossils are still important and making advances in fossils should not be scrapped for the sake of feel good greenness. I’m a full spectrum guy and envision fossils being used to transition to greener sources. Lastly lets face it some regulations need to be dust binned. Others need to be enforced with intelligence and common sense.
    So there is my 2.5 cents

  172. R, we’ll gladly accept your apology.

    On the eve of Bill Clinton’s address to the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) on Tuesday confirmed that President Barack Obama did in fact change the rules in Bill Clinton’s landmark Welfare Reform Act despite the Obama administration’s claims to the contrary.

    The GAO said the Obama administration should give Congress an opportunity to block the tweaks it made to the law.

    “It must be submitted to Congress and the comptroller general before taking effect,” GAO general counsel Lynn H. Gibson wrote to lawmakers on Tuesday.

    In July, the Obama administration gutted the work requirements in the welfare law by giving states more latitude to get waivers for the work requirements or define “work” in a way that would allow those on welfare to receive benefits while doing things like going to fitness classes, which states could define as “work.”

  173. [I never said he falsified the data. I said his explanation of his method was either mistaken or pure baloney. ]

    A distinction without a distinction. If you don’t like it, then don’t stay it.

  174. R, whether you think Oren said that or not – and I assure you, he did not – the point I was making is that there is audio of DWS saying that Oren called the GOP dangerous, she is quoted EXACTLY correctly, and she out right lies about ever saying that. Listen to what she said in the audio, and when she is confronted with the statement and Oren’s claim that he never said it, she lies that she ever said it at all.

    This convention is HILARIOUS. First you take God and Jerusalem out, get defensive about it not being there, then self-destruct as the delegates vote ideologically instead of politically, forcing you to over-ride the vote. Then there was the Government is Good video, which you had to retract Obama support for when the GOP crushes you on it.

    This thing is turning into a real hoot!

  175. “Last I saw, after billions of dollars in investment wind and solar are providing 1.5% of the nation’s required energy resources. That ranks wind and solar directly behind wood in kilowatt hour provided.”

    Ha. One of my colleagues is keeping track of a project working to calculate whether burning the U.S. tax dollars dollars spent on green projects produced more energy (in therms) than the green project itself. I’ll try to learn the outcome.

  176. #268 Looks to me like that sock factory has been out of business for fifty years; have you check the price of a package of tube socks made in China at Walmart lately? Let’s revitalize that town with educated tech workers, this is America damn it! That means NO to a 20% cut in education!

  177. Hahahahahaha, EPIC FAIL.

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Two platform planks sparked division at the Democratic National Convention here Wednesday.

    Things got so bad that President Barack Obama was forced to personally intervene, ordering language mentioning God and naming Jerusalem as the rightful capital of Israel be added.

    Obama had seen the language prior to the convention, a campaign source said, but did not seek to change it until after Republicans jumped on the omissions of God and Jerusalem late Wednesday. And even then, it had to be forced through a convention hall full of delegates who nearly shouted down the change.

    Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the convention’s chairman, kicked off Wednesday’s proceedings by trying to clean up a mess Democrats made by omitting from their official party platform mentions of God and of Jerusalem as the preferred capital of Israel.

    Villaraigosa called for a voice vote on an amendment offered by former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland, who chaired the platform drafting committee. Facing boos and “nay”s, he tried again, before announcing that in his judgment, a two-thirds majority had approved the measure. He was booed again as he walked off the stage.

    This is SO damn funny. You’re party is a complete joke right now. But, did we not just catch DWS in yet ANOTHER lie, claiming that platform committee omitted the language by mistake and that Obama – independently – wanted to ensure that the language was in platform, because he’s such a strong supporter to Israel…

    R, are you doing shots of Maalox Plus yet? Your IBS is gonna be kick’n all night long…

    😉

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  179. Busted.

    Check out this photo, taken as the DNC chair took a vote on Wednesday, asking delegates to vote on re-adding language on God and Jerusalem to the party’s platform.

    Although the crowd seemed to not reach the two-thirds majority needed to affirm the vote, the chair did so anyways. Now, it appears that the result was already forecast, planted in the prompter prior to the vote ever taking place.

  180. Newt I think there is such a thing as being over educated and tech isn’t the end all. Why can’t America make the machines and socks again? American productivity is still something to be admired

  181. 253 I knew you wouldn’t but I thought I would give affirmative action questionnaire a try so you had no excuse to slide other than an inability to defend the undefendable. You already said you could never vote for the white guy so I knew no matter what Obama said or lied about you would be ok with it as long as the black guy wins. I just wanted to let you highlight that fact. I appreciate you playing along.

  182. #279, because it doesn’t pay a living wage. The very first industry in all developing countries is weaving cloth, look it up. I know you folks want to go back, but are you really setting you time clock to back to 1840? God you people must hate America!

  183. Hehehehehehe…

    Only 43 percent of political independents offered a one-word positive opinion of President Barack Obama, according to a new poll conducted by the Pew Research Center.

    Forty-three percent of respondents offered negative terms, while 14 percent offered neutral terms, according to the study, released Wednesday by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Washington Post.

    Twenty-four percent of self-identified Democrats offered negative or neutral terms for Obama.

    The most common negative terms for Obama were “failed” or “failure,” “incompetent,” “disappointing,” and “liar.”

  184. Here is a little exercise to keep you busy while our first black President, Bill Clinton, speaks, google: ‘how do Mormons believe the Virgin Mary conceived Jesus?’ Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

  185. Newt, you’re standing on your oxygen tube again…

    My plummer makes $75 per hour for house calls. My electrician makes $50+. Alfie’s point – and I agree with him 100% – is that we don’t need more rejects like you with Liberal Arts majors handing out fries while paying down $50,000 in student debt. We need to have the ability and skill sets to PRODUCE things in this country, and most of those skills do not come out of college.

  186. Newt, my contempt for you is quickly climbing again. We know you’re stupid. We know you’re a shill. We know that you, philosophically speaking, are under the desk of liberal ideology. Wipe your chin and come up for some air. How a feminist like you can have ANY respect for a womanizer like Clinton is beyond me. Or, maybe not. You’d throw all your sisters into a gang-bang if you thought it would get the left more power, irrespective of the policies or damage that those policies would cause for other people. You’re an ‘ends’ kind-of of gal. The ‘means’ mean nothing as long as someone gets it in the ‘ends’…

  187. “Tax rates are meaningless if the rich have access to write offs not available to the middle class and poor.”

    My understanding is that tax rates do not make these kind of distinctions. You are a working citizen, ie you have a job, or you are a business owner. All business owners have the same tax laws to follow regardless of size.

  188. Maybe Newt thinks a cigar of the most powerful married man in the world jammed up the fupa snatch of an 20 something, insecure intern is nothing more then a little hedonistic, harmless fun. Later smoking said cigar, moist with the with juices of the of the used intern is simply enjoying a guilty little pleasure. Defaming the lass, using the world’s most powerful political machine to do it, is how any guy would deal with a confused slut half his age. Life ain’t nothing but bitches and power not powerful bitches.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NxVsQ4ujCs8

  189. Thanks for answering a question I had in the back of my mind Gorilla, you wrote, “more rejects like you with Liberal Arts majors,” proves to me, you are not an analyst or a spook. What do you really do lay cable, fix computers, etc? How are your knees holding up, crawling through tunnels?

  190. This convention is the gift that keeps on giving.

    First they walk back the official support for the Jumah prayers, and now they ignore their own delegates to put God back in the platform, to the objection of the hundred or so delegates actually present.

    But we’re the ones who are “Out of Touch”….

    Keep fucking that chicken, Democommies.

  191. Thanks for answering a question I had in the back of my mind Gorilla, you wrote, “more rejects like you with Liberal Arts majors,” proves to me, you are not an analyst or a spook.

    Really? Well, let’s talk about your make believe husband’s “secretary.”

    Surely a giant like you knows the term is “administrative assistant.”

    Newton, you’re not only stupid – you’re a fake. A complete and utter blowhard. Take you personal horseshit elsewhere, as you’re too easy a target here to identify as liar.

  192. Hey Tool™

    Rutherford, I never denied the Holocaust. It’s just Tex making shit up again, per usual. The guy really needs a cheat sheet to keep up with the facts. But, then again, even that requires a little self disciple and desire. Not looking too promising there…

    Oh no, I didn’t say Rutherford was at your level of Holocaust denier. I said he was getting there with the Jew hatin’.

    We know a squatter and tax cheat like you and your rag is straight up honest. 😉

  193. “Here is a little exercise to keep you busy while our first black President, Bill Clinton, speaks, google: ‘how do Mormons believe the Virgin Mary conceived Jesus?’ Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.”

    Well, it’s no sillier than what the Christians believe, summed up best by Hume:

    “Which is more likely: that the whole natural order is suspended, or that a jewish minx should tell a lie?” ~ David Hume (1711-1776)

  194. Nope Tex, wrong decade, she was my husband’s secretary. And none of us consider that a derogatory term, she was very well paid and received excellent benefits. Nice try though.

  195. No damn wonder I like Cecile Richards from Planned Parenthood so much, her mother was former Governor Ann Richards. Love, love Ann Richard’s!

    😈 Figures our resident bubble head would love, love a drunk that drank herself to death. 😈 They literally ran her out of Texas the last years of her life.

    How long has old Ann been dry now? About six years? 😀

  196. ……..FUPA – thanks, DR. I learned something new. I can spring it on my Man Tim, who has undertaken to teach me ebonics, in return for my teaching him Hillbillics.

  197. Nope Tex, wrong decade, she was my husband’s secretary. And none of us consider that a derogatory term, she was very well paid and received excellent benefits. Nice try though.

    Oh bullshit. No exec is going to be married to some nagging, stupid shrew like you. You’re a broke leech living off the entitlements.

  198. Really Pfesser.

    Once again sport, it’s you that’s out on the bleeding edge with Pol Pot, Fidel, and Josef. Same with Rutherford.

    Ron Paul believes the way I do. Ronald Reagan believes the way I do. Abraham Lincoln believes the way I do. Bill Clinton believes the way I do. George Washington believes the way I do. Billy Graham believes the way I do.

    It doesn’t matter how vile you are or how cutesy you may believe you may be. There’s still a hell and you’re still going there, chief. Don’t blame me. That’s straight out of the mouth of that Jesus you kind of like. 😉

  199. “Well, it’s no sillier than what the Christians believe, summed up best by Hume:
    ‘Which is more likely: that the whole natural order is suspended, or that a jewish minx should tell a lie?’ ~ David Hume (1711-1776)” Actually it fits the facts of life I learned in fifth grade closer than the Christian version.

  200. When and where did Jesus ever speak about hell? Did he ever say, one had to believe in the virgin birth to enter heaven? Don’t think so, Tex.

  201. Newton, you need to get back over to Wattle Jeans to unfurl the hammer and sickle. It’s so easy to mock you. You’re just dumb as a stump.

    Do you not realize dummy, Christ actually spoke far more of hell than heaven? 🙄

    Here, let me help you out. I keep thinking if I humiliate you enough, you’ll waddle back to whatever hole you cave you first appeared. But you’re so dumb, apparently like Tool&;, you can’t be shamed.

    Here you go sweetie. And I can provide at least 25 more if need be:

    ——-

    Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

    Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    Mat 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

    Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

    Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

    Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

    Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

    Luke 10:15 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

    Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

    Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    So, by my count, there are 15 places in the Bible where Jesus is recorded as using the word “hell” while He was on Earth.

    Helpless. Competely and utter helpless – a perfect Obama rube.

  202. Ron Paul believes the way I do. Ronald Reagan believes the way I do. Abraham Lincoln believes the way I do. Bill Clinton believes the way I do. George Washington believes the way I do. Billy Graham believes the way I do.

    ***GUFFAW***

    Right. Israel idolaters? Doubt it. Islamophobes? Doubt it. Hate liberals? Doubt it. Maybe Franklin Graham. Ronald Reagan said the Taliban were like our founding fathers. Is that what you believe? Doubt it.

    I think maybe it’s closer to Satan believes the way you do.

  203. Newt understand that Clinton just destroyed any premise for voting in Romney. Hence Tex will talk serious smack for the rest of the night.

    The word “bitter” comes to mind. 😉

  204. Tex would like us to believe that Jesus was like Franklin Graham or Pat Robertson and he has no idea how blasphemous that is. It basically makes Jesus out to be a first class a$$hole.

  205. That’s what I’ve been saying all along. It may be that they take different routes, but they arrive at the same destination. Who cares who can get there faster? Shit city is still shit city, whether it be Monday, or Tuesday, or Wednesday, or….

  206. I like arithmetic, Newton? See if you can wrap your microcephalic head around this little puzzle.

    I provide you the yearly cash outlays of our illustrious federal government during Bill Clinton years, and note the years Clinton worked with a majority Republican Congress Clinton from 1995-2001. Take real good note of that circled.

    Now, can you guess what that number is at this minute?

    Remember, Barack Obama has told the world the discretionary spending under his tutelage has never been lower.

    That little number for the last two measured years?

    24.1%

    But I don’t expect you, Tool™ or Rutherford – three mathematical wizards to understand its importance.

  207. Newt understand that Clinton just destroyed any premise for voting in Romney. Hence Tex will talk serious smack for the rest of the night.

    I got news for you, Mensa. What sold in the arena of no God and no Jerusalem ain’t America.

    What America saw tonight was a known perjurer selling a tale that will be blown away in 10 minutes of the very first debate. Stick around and watch….

  208. Tex would like us to believe that Jesus was like Franklin Graham or Pat Robertson and he has no idea how blasphemous that is. It basically makes Jesus out to be a first class a$$hole.

    You mean like you learned at mommy’s knee? She knows better now. 😉

  209. 311
    Only to the kool-aid drinkers Rutherford. If the best your side has is a guy whose favorite pastime is to shoves foliage up women’s crotches, and is a serial sexual harasser, and adulterer, I think our side has little to fear.

    Newt newt newt, you just got your ass handed to you. Bet you wish you went and baked that pie eh?

  210. Yeah Tool™. You’re a real testimony to Christianity. A thief and a squatter. A Jew hater and white supremacist.

    You guys keep mocking Franklin Graham. And yet, I can show the unbelievable works of Samaritan’s Purse, well documented, which clearly identifies it is one of the best charitable works in the world.

    Exactly what are your “charitable works” again Rutherford and Poolman. Besides not paying your bills, that is?

  211. 315 was to go along with 313.

    re 314, the only person that emulates Jesus is Jesus. I’ve heard from many others that try. Some follow very close, but most celebrity types twist His words to satisfy their own agenda. These folks on TV generally miss the mark. Not that what they have to say isn’t relevant, cos sometimes it is. Many get the principles right a lot of the time. And I believe you can learn from all folks and all circumstances.

    But don’t put faith in any man, especially if he’s making a healthy profit from his ministry. There is something very positive to gain from a humble heart. It’s pretty much opposite of what the world proposes and calls success. I’ve met homeless folks with way more faith than the bulk of them that fill the pews on Sunday.

  212. [I got news for you, Mensa. What sold in the arena of no God and no Jerusalem ain’t America.]

    Add to that list, you didn’t build that, and you have the very definition of a party that is out of touch. I do say I have to appreciate them going so far out of their way to alienate the majority of this country and hand us a much easier win come November. I cannot imagine even the affirmative action churches can give this one a pass. Somehow, I just have this sneaking feeling, God trumps Messiah.

  213. Ignore him, Noah. Rutherford is a pitiful case. If you knew what I knew, you wouldn’t be able to stay mad for long. The due punishment is administered daily.

    ——-

    I’m watching the reruns tonight. Sandra Fluke and Elizabeth Warren?

    You take a hard look around that arena tonight, it looked like a carnie convention. This parade of freaks sells in a football stadium they couldn’t begin to fill, but it won’t change a thing once the debates start – and that is when the election really starts.

    Hell, they’re still singing “Yes We Can…”

    Poolman is a schizophrenic new age Pharisee and Tool™, connived into believing he’s bearing some cross. 😆 And absolute waste of flesh – living off the teat.

    It’s a waste of time to scald him – he’s too dumb to even know when his ass is smoking.

  214. Heartburn should be the least concern, since it’s treatable.

    Dag Pools you must be clairvoyant. I DID indeed have bad enough heartburn around dinner time yesterday that i resorted to a Prilosec which I almost never do.

  215. I just learned from R’s show that an unfertilized egg is what the right wants to define as a “person” for a constitutional amendment.

    I’d need to “replay the tape” but if I said “unfertilized” I misspoke. I know full well we’re talking about fertilized eggs. I suspect you misheard me. But there’s a chance I flubbed it. Regardless, I talked about it enough that any listener knew I was talking about fertilized eggs.

    Nice try.

  216. G, this is great. Was Bubbles’ absence planned?

    How the f*ck should he know? It’s my show dude …. and no, Sandi’s absence was not planned. She was a no-show and fortunately G called in so early that he became the de-facto co-host. I thought it was a great change of pace.

    The entire discussion of Ann Romney (and Mitt) being out of touch is the highlight of the show IMHO because it shows incredibly differing visions of “opportunity”. Gorilla proved himself to be a Romney doppelganger. Like Mitt, he just didn’t get it.

  217. So Rutherford, why so silent on the deification of Lord Zero by the adoring faithful in Charlotte this week?

    Better question for you BiW, why almost every person in Tampa mentioning Romney as an afterthought as they audition for 2016?

    You better hope that on November 6 the country likes your nominee more than your party does. 😆

  218. Tigre, lay off the crack pipe. Michelle Obama was raised in privilege? If I understand correctly her dad was blue collar.

    That’s why you and yours need to lose in November because we can’t have a group so friggin’ delusional running this country.

  219. Come to think of it, Tigre, if you had actually listened to the show you’d know Sandi was a no-show cos I started the show saying “I don’t know where my co-host is.” Then when I brought G on the line I said I thought it might be Sandi.

    Guess that’s what comes of your “listening” to the show while reviewing legal briefs and getting pissy about Lilly Ledbetter. 😉

  220. I give you kudos, Rutherford. Your profound arrogance and predictive ability is about as well founded as having a likely serial rapist, perjurer, and well documented skirt chaser to headline the “War on Women” theme.

    Bravo! Bravo!

    Spouting Bull Warren and Ms. Fluke as representatives of persecuted women only added to the humor (and the blatant hypocrisy which you live).

  221. G, intentional or not, it’s pretty weird. Emotionally driven and so clearly born of class envy (and I suspect race too). I thought you did a good job setting things straight even if it fell on deaf ears. I really wish R had a better defense of his positions though. It was like setting up bowling pins.

    Every liberal understands what I was saying and it has NOTHING to do with class envy or race. It has to do with pretending to share a struggle with the common man that you did NOT share. It’s phony. It’s fake. And every poor person knows it.

    Real simple solution for Ann’s speech: “Mitt and I had choices that I know a lot of Americans don’t have but I’m proud that Mitt chose to move out from under his father’s reputation and establish his own.”

    Real simple fix. Instead we got this bullsh*t sob story about eating at the ironing board while pulling oneself up from one’s bootstraps. All the while having Daddy’s stock pay for school … or having Bain and Co. CEO tell Mitt “Start Bain Capital and don’t worry, if it fails you still have a job here.”

    Yeah, that’s your typical entrepreneur who has no real risk of failure.

    Don’t tell me about your f*cking struggle when you’ve never been worried about paying the rent.

    Being privileged is nothing to be ashamed about. Just be honest about it,

    Is that clear enough for you …. or are you so in the tank against Obama that your brain in impenetrable?

  222. The Dumbing Down of America

    Raji, the conventions are pomp and circumstance. They energize the base for the most part. The debates will be far more important in choosing the next POTUS.

  223. I’ve got this “talent”, where I can take some popular song and change the lyrics in about 10-15 minutes. Too bad you can’t make money off something like that.

    Ever hear of Weird Al Yankovic Tex? He’s made loads of money off it. Unfortunately you don’t have his talent. 😉

    P.S. I do sympathize however …. as you know I’ve written a couple of song parodies in my day too. You guys never like them.

  224. Tex asks what good is a student loan is if you can’t get a job upon graduation. Mmmm, so you’re advocating that no one attend college at all until the job market frees up. Is that your strategy?

    The Obama-hate is rotting your mind dude.

  225. “What sold in the arena of no God and no Jerusalem ain’t America.” Yeah, we got it, you and the rest of real America, Oklahoma, are going to vote for the non-Christian. It is fine, we don’t need your electoral votes.

  226. LOL Newt … isn’t that the damnedest thing??? The so called Christians pick someone they say belongs to a cult over one of their own. You just gotta love it. I guess religion isn’t really that important to them after all. 😆

  227. “Mitt and I had choices that I know a lot of Americans don’t have but I’m proud that Mitt chose to move out from under his father’s reputation and establish his own.”

    What I find interesting about Rutherford and his kind is that because Mitt was able to go out and do what he did and create a lot of jobs and wealth, that this precludes him from being able to be President. Not shoving foliage up a woman’s crotch, not sealing ones entire past to hide?, but being successful and realizing the American dream. For this terrible crime, Romney can never be President.

    [Add to that list, you didn’t build that,

    Noah with all due respect and I DO mean all the respect that is due to you, you are mentally retarded.]

    I have to be Rutherford, or at least act that way, It is the only way I can get you to keep up with the conversation. And by-the-by, we did build it.

  228. [LOL Newt … isn’t that the damnedest thing??? The so called Christians pick someone they say belongs to a cult over one of their own.]

    Obama has never been, like you, a Christian. Saying, “I am a Christian” does not make you one. You have to walk the walk. Nor does sitting in a church while listening to hate speeches.

  229. Actually, for a Dimocrat, that ain’t bad. There’s only one problem. See, for wind to work, it has to get to the grid. You could cut down all the trees in the Northwest and you would still have a problem with transmission. – Tex

    Out here, we build the windmills along the Columbia River, goes right in along the same lines as the dams. But, let’s get started on that grid. Shovel ready.

  230. We elect Romney because he is about 1,000 times smarter than Obama, a proven success in business, has a far better understanding of economics and finance, the only alternative to possibly turn the ship around, and doesn’t appear to me to be an abject phony and entitled megalomaniac like Barack and Michelle. Hell, Barack even named his own dog after himself. 😆

    Add that Romney is a man of faith, who carries himself well. No matter what I may think of the Mormon faith, for the most part, they carry themselves as Christian better than most Christians I know. I’m ashamed to admit that, but it is a fact.

    We know a phony like Obama, a product of black liberal theology, a man of political expediency and nothing else, a Muslim sympathizer and Jew hater a malignant, self-absorbed narcissist married to a malignant, self-absorbed, American hating, narcissistic and entitled angry black women. raised by Communists. Like everything else about Obama, his faith is a fraud and a tool used to gain adulation. I knew Obama was a egomaniac and fraud two minutes after I first listened to him. Birds of a feather follow him around – with Jeremiah Wright as mentor.

    That alone is enough to vote against Obama.

    ——–

    You know, Rutherford. I knew about two years ago you were a nasty little twit from your radio show and your tweets. Frankly, your vapid and usually as edifying as Bill Maher. And I say this in all truth – I could care less what you think of me or my faith. I’m numb to that. You? You’re irrelevant – a bad habit to pass the time.

    But I’ll be damned if there is one thing I can figure out about you.

    What exactly do you hope to provide to the only people that love you that is redeeming or edifying, inspirational or provides joy or hope? If you are to pass quickly, what legacy will you leave? MSNBC talking point lies and a possible Obama election message? What normal married couple sits around, squirming for the right vibe from Bill Maher or listening intently to Rachel Maddow every week? Don’t you find that a little unfulfilling? 🙂

    I obviously think you the fool anyway, but I find this your most diminutive quality. Spiritually dead and morally repugnant don’t help.

  231. “Re-training for the digital age: no but there are a bevy of blue collar jobs that go hand in hand with a number of advances including energy sector jobs.Also please don’t get me started on the skilled manufacturing gap America is experiencing.” – Alfie

    I heard a guy on the local radio talking about these six-figure millwright jobs vacant for lack of qualified applicants. Some rare earth mine in the middle of nowhere, North Slope. But still, two years at a CC and six figures. They can’t fill the positions.

    I like your city state idea. Kind of dovetails with the energy discussion. Produce local energy and local food for local consumption. The problem comes with the value added manufacturing. Once you start specializing, trade is vital. Trade increases growth but also brings agreements. Treaties. And treaties usually lead to war. Double edged sword. So which would you emulate … Athens or Sparta?

  232. Out here, we build the windmills along the Columbia River, goes right in along the same lines as the dams. But, let’s get started on that grid. Shovel ready.

    ** face in palms **. Well, good luck with the windmills – I guess hydroelectric is a possibility. Hope the water is flowing and the wind is at your back.

    But as to the grid, we need about $2,000,000,000,000. Can we get a loan?

  233. Tex, have fun with the God and Jerusalem thing, but just remember, platform fights are meaningless to anyone outside of the party, and I’m not a Democrat. My brother was once in pretty deep with the state Dems. (He owns his own business now so naturally, he’s turned Republican. He calls himself a Libertarian, but we all know better.) Anyway, he was twice a delegate at the state convention. I remember, he would get annoyed with people and procedure during the platform debates. “They think they’re writing the fucking Constitution,” he would say. But to some people, it’s very important.

    I think you would like my brother. One of the most intelligent people I know. Very funny, too. But definitely an urban-ite. Not the kind of guy you want to get lost in the woods with. No skills and neurotic as hell. Makes Woody Allen look like a Zen master. 🙂

  234. “So, by my count, there are 15 places in the Bible where Jesus is recorded as using the word “hell” while He was on Earth.” – Tex

    Tex, do you know the original Greek translation for hell? I think I’ve heard that it actually was meant more as a state of limbo or separation, much like purgatory in Catholicism.

    Now, “Lake of fire” sounds like hell to me.

  235. “The so called Christians pick someone they say belongs to a cult over one of their own. You just gotta love it. I guess religion isn’t really that important to them after all.” – R

    I have to disagree with you on this one R. It’s not like Romney is saying he’ll outlaw Christianity. He can kneel to crystals for all I care, as long as he doesn’t allow it to interfere with the execution of his duties in office. I think religion is important in elections because it gives some insight into the personal side of a potential President, but I doubt there is anyone here that would vote for or against any candidate just because of their religious affiliation.

  236. “Being both were between 50-75% slaves, I nominate Thor to proceed with the initiation to Rutherford.” – Tex

    And that doesn’t include the women, who were often little more than beasts of burden. Did you know, if a child lost there father in battle, they were referred to as an “orphan” even though their mother was still alive?

  237. Poolman is a schizophrenic new age Pharisee and Tool™, connived into believing he’s bearing some cross. And absolute waste of flesh – living off the teat. It’s a waste of time to scald him – he’s too dumb to even know when his ass is smoking.

    That’s awesome, Tex. I might have to steal that for one of my bios. Now the question is, which one? Hmmmm…

  238. He can kneel to crystals for all I care, as long as he doesn’t allow it to interfere with the execution of his duties in office.

    Of course it interferes with the execution of his duties in office. For one, any true believer puts his religion first in everything. As for Rmoney, he’s an Israel firster. Jews are like royalty to the Mormons and most Evangelicals. Mormons even pray for their conversion, sometimes baptizing them postmortem. And if you’re familiar with free masonry, you’ll find it knits well within both Mormonism and most forms of Judaism.

    I think we’d prefer whoever the ‘one’ is, that he’d put America first. Kind of what our founders envisioned, I think.

    Go Ron Paul!!!

  239. @ pool you’re an idiot!
    @ newt you’re missing the point and in the dark I imagine on a lot of the rest. From your cereal box to your socks there are machines that work and those machines need to be manufactured and maintained. All too often they are made in Germany. Also as far as American textiles goes I see no reason that automation and productivity cannot get some back here. Lastly since I see you are big on the knowledge economy jobs. The rest of the world does not need our lawyers,accountants,poets,authors etc etc. They are or are soon to experience their own knowledge economy boom so yeah we in the USA need to look back as much as we need to look forward.
    @thor lets go with Venice or NYC

  240. “Now, “Lake of fire” sounds like hell to me.”

    Actually heaven is a place where you have a British policeman, a French Chef, an Italian lover, a German auto mechanic – and a Swiss to keep it all organized.

    Hell, OTOH is a place where you have a British chef, a French auto mechanic, a German policeman, a Swiss lover – an an Italian to keep it all organized.

  241. “‘get a decent-paying job and enjoy life.’

    PF from your lips to non-existent God’s ear!”

    Seriously, hanging out here is the most fun you can have with your pants on, but man, R – from what you say, are you ever paying a price for maintaining this playhouse! You and Tex, especially, are just burning SOOOOO much intellectual capital and time here. (When I was forming my philosophy in college many years ago, one of my first little epiphanies was that “time is the one and only currency of life.” Think of the opportunity cost of the time the two of you spend here.

    People told me the last time I quit the medical business (out 8 years!) that I shouldn’t quit unless I had at least ten things to do every day. My reply was that I could quit twice! Not one minute – nay, one second – did I ever look back with longing.

    Same now. I’m taking advantage of my east-coast internal clock, combined with a farmer’s internal clock, and getting up at about 2:30 California time. I am half way through the densest book I have ever seen on Search Engine Optimization; I’ll be taking a 3-day class in it next week. It’s already benefitted my Web business. Out here, I’ll study tits until the sun goes down, hit the computer books again and then sleep – as little as possible.

    Jesus, R – I love this free-wheeling place. Great to interact with such personalities and intellect, but it comes at a helluva cost – not to me – to you. And to Tex, especially. Shit, man – sleep when you’re dead. For now, get out there and love on your kids and grandkids. Tex, go have a coffee with your daughter and tell her how much you loved playing with her when she was little. Build something with your hands. Fuck all of us; we can hang.

    Think about it.

  242. “How the f*ck should he know?”

    Ummmmm, you emailed him and said she cant make it, want t be a de facto co-host? Duh.

    Fuck. Get over yourself.

    Gorilla made you look pretty silly BTW.

  243. “Is that clear enough for you …. or are you so in the tank against Obama that your brain in impenetrable?”

    Your class envy and racial bent are so blatant it’s laughable that you try to deny it after-the-fact.

    Still no plan, but all is right in the world R. Clinton endorsed Obama. Why they’re really just the same guy. 😆

    R, your weirdo, tough guy rage is no mask; it’s just your usual substitute for logic, and it’s obvious to everyone that visits here. You should give it a rest. Your misplaced tantrums are not persuasive. They signal the internal desperation of someone overly invested in their false messiah. Really.

  244. Tex, have fun with the God and Jerusalem thing, but just remember, platform fights are meaningless to anyone outside of the party, and I’m not a Democrat.

    Actually, the symbolism of that Thor was very meaningful. You saw the reaction of that crowd. If you want to be fair, what does that tell you about the loyalty of the Dimocratic Party? Where does their loyalty lie?

    Tell you who did think it very meaningful. One Barack “Hussein” Obama, Binjamin Netanyahu, and Ali Khamenei.

    Don’t kid yourself. 1.5 billion Muslims and 6 million Israeli Jews now know which side the Dim bread buttered. There is no question about clarity now in their minds.

    But it only confirmed for me what I already knew.

    P.S. – Wailing and gnashing of teeth doesn’t sound like a state of limbo or separation to me. I would suggest you think about this verse:

    So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

    Just a thought, if you are to believe such things.

    ——–

    And I may be neurotic – having to read Tool™ would make even the best of us neurotic. 🙂 But I’m not helpless with my hands like your brother. Over the last decade, I’ve adopted quite a few elderly folk – some whom I admit are starting to wear out their welcome. I had to explain to Deby the other day, don’t “Text” me at 5:05 in the morning anymore unless it is an emergency anymore.

    Just today, before caring for my father, I fixed Marie’s Malibu lighting, installed Bill’s battery in his Winnebago (never done that before), and the Mickster and I fixed some trim he decided to chew when he was a pup. That required skill saw and table saw, and a little mitering. Sound helpless? 😉 You forget I’ve had almost a decade to learn something besides a book.

  245. Pfesser,

    Not a bad message. Real grain of truth to some of that. But I just spent an entire long weekend with my baby daughter and minor emergency, caring for strep throat. 😦 Believe me, we had plenty of time to “talk” and drink coffee.

    When I wasn’t doing that, I was at the Vet paying the bill for a cut doggie foot and nursing him.

    I have lived with all the medical care I wish to live with for a while these last six weeks as I sit in my father’s room. I would happily trade you some of that free wheeling for a little shut eye.

  246. R, your weirdo, tough guy rage is no mask; it’s just your usual substitute for logic, and it’s obvious to everyone that visits here. You should give it a rest. Your misplaced tantrums are not persuasive. They signal the internal desperation of someone overly invested in their false messiah. Really.

    Tiger,

    I’m afraid these last few months, after some thought reading the tweets and listening to that awful radio show, my opinion of R.L. has changed a great degree on a personal level. This isn’t the fun loving imp I once thought. Worse, I let myself get caught up in the orgy of degeneracy.

    I appreciate the use of his blog, but R is Bill Maher Jr without the wit. This is a nasty, little piece of work, quick to invoke the bigotry and hatred of life’s most deeply held tenets.

    Though I can’t understand it, I suppose the irony of this whole ordeal is Rutherford invoking Obama and his policies is like a Christian invoking the name of Jesus.

    Sick & empty – but he’s definitely not alone. The Dimocratic Party is completely sick and empty. I should have known that after watching that spectacle in 2008 and how they conducted themselves. I actually found their behavior cult like and rabid.

    I still do.

  247. Tex, have fun with the God and Jerusalem thing, but just remember, platform fights are meaningless to anyone outside of the party.

    I created a facebook page specifically for this topic. Showing not only the intent, but the vote that took place and the sign with the predetermined outcome. In under 24 hours it has 67 likes, 30 shares and 41 subscribers. People care a great deal.

    Part of what I do is work with local churches. As such I have access to a email list of just shy of 700 clergy leaders here in Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio that I will be sharing this page and information with. I’ve a feeling this along with the “you didn’t build that” is the end for Dims

  248. Heritage expert Robert Rector, who helped write the 1996 law, answered Clinton this morning in no uncertain terms:

    “The Obama Administration will put in mothballs the formal purpose of welfare reform—to reduce the number of people dependent on government benefits. The Administration will abandon the legislative performance goal that encourages states to reduce welfare caseloads. It will weaken the “work participation” standards that require some 30 percent of able-bodied Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) recipients to engage in work activities for 20 to 30 hours per week.”

    This week, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office (GAO) also gave notice to the Administration that this type of law change must go through Congress.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/06/morning-bell-clinton-is-wrong-on-welfare-reform/

  249. What if any opinions do you have on the works of Temple Grandin?

    Not to butt in, but I actually heard her speak some years back. An amazing lady…somebody anyone would admire.

  250. So someone claiming to have stolen Romney’s tax returns demands $1mil. What I find interesting is that the media decided it was necessary to put this in their article.

    “There was no sign of forced entry at the five-story building that housed the accounting firm’s local office, not far from the Cool Springs Galleria, a large mall about 20 miles south of Nashville.

    The building does not restrict access during business hours and has no guard. After-hours access to the doors and elevators appear to be controlled by keycard. A spokeswoman for the building manager, Spectrum Properties, said the company would not speculate on the burglary claim.”

    Think the intent here is pretty clear.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/mitt-romney-tax-return-theft_n_1859464.html?ncid=webmail2

  251. I think the 2nd video at 275 shows us that Dimcrats cannot be trusted.(ok like we didn’t know that already). IF they cannot deal with themselves honestly, how can we trust them to honestly deal with us? What it shows us is that once the Messiah has decided a course of action, your vote does not count.

  252. Since we ended last night’s discussion with Tex suggesting my mother is burning in hell, I wanted to offer up a few quotes from PF’s hero Thomas Jefferson. I see now more than ever why PF likes him. These all come from http://www.brunswickcounty.com/Thomas_Jefferson_and_the_Doctrine_of_the_Trinity-a-1150.html and they are a great read.

    It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one . . . But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of factitious religion, and they would catch no more flies. We should all then, like the Quakers, live without an order of priests, moralize for ourselves, follow the oracle of conscience, and say nothing about what no man can understand, nor therefore believe.

    On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind. Were I to enter on that arena, I should only add an unit to the number of Bedlamites.

    The genuine and simple religion of Jesus will one day be restored: such as it was preached and practised by himself. Very soon after his death it became muffled up in mysteries, and has been ever since kept in concealment from the vulgar eye. To penetrate and dissipate these clouds of darkness, the general mind must be strengthened by education.

    And finally I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics of deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognize one feature.

    How did I stumble across these great quotes? I heard Jon Meacham this morning quote Jefferson as calling the concept of the holy trinity “abracadabra”.

    I know reading one source does not make me an expert but if I am extrapolating correctly from what I’ve read, Jefferson viewed belief in God and following Jesus highly personal. And he viewed those who make a public spectacle of it, attaching all sorts of extraneous supernatural mumbo jumbo to it, as charlatans and ripoff artists. It also clarifies greatly his interest in separating church from state as I suspect he viewed the institution of the church itself as tyrannical and corrupt.

    Now I’ll await Tex’s response in which no doubt he will call Jefferson morally depraved for f*cking one of his slaves. 🙂

  253. Tex @ 363 completely humorless too. It’s all kind of strange since OBL’s assassination meant another four according Miss Rutherford Cleo and something happened on August 8th involving a boomstick that ended Romney’s campaign. It says so on my calendar.

    Now a speech from Clinton — the guy that Obama labeled a racist and according to Clinton himself wasn’t worthy of carrying his bags. The same Clinton that strategically adopted conservative economic policies and was defended for his moral and ethical failings by the Rutherfords of a bygone era now vouching for the failure-in-chief. Oh and the priceless support of Jesse Jackson who wanted to “cut [Obama’s] nuts off” in “Hymie town” — all to be forgotten a week from now.

    Ah yes. The balloons and noise makers of the convention, all directed towards already- indoctrinated dimwits with the memories of a goldfish, swollen with pride and validation after a forgotten four years of indefensible incompetence. Rutherford oblivious to his fate — awaking the next day with a pounding headache, nausea, and the “what was I thinking” regret from the hedonistic, Vegas-like binge.

    Glad I wasn’t here in 2008. I can imagine what a struggle that was. I guess our resident Mr. Smithers takes personal responsibility for broadcasting messages of zero substance; enraged soap opera summaries and trash talk about anything other than policy or record.

    Fuck the non-existent “plan.” Where are those tax returns?

  254. “Guess that’s what comes of your “listening” to the show while reviewing legal briefs and getting pissy about Lilly Ledbetter.”

    No, I heard. The mistake was thinking you would be clever enough to stage an entertaining repartee. You obviously lack the humor and creativity to have done that. My bad. 🙄

  255. After examining both party platforms, it boils down to a vote for socialism or one cast for fascism. Neither are compatible with our Republic. Our founders warned us about the evils of political parties, but we only quote the parts of their writings we like and continue to ignore the dire warnings.

    Then we still expect everything to come up roses and daffodils.

  256. “Of course it interferes with the execution of his duties in office.” – P

    His one public office was Governor. Do you have evidence of it changing the way he executed his duties? Was he a “Mormon” governor?

    And, for God’s sake, quit putting me in the position of defending Willard. Makes my ass hurt. 😉

  257. “@thor lets go with Venice or NYC” – Alfie

    Interesting that you chose two cities that are (or have been) economic behemoths, but also are extremely vulnerable to global warming, an issue outside the realm of control of any city-state.

    Accidental irony or subtle genius? 🙂

  258. “But I’m not helpless with my hands like your brother.” – Tex

    I think you misunderstood. I wasn’t saying you were like him. I was just warning you, if you ever meet up with him in a bar and he wants to go snipe hunting, bring your pocketknife and waterproof matches. 🙂

  259. Now I’ll await Tex’s response in which no doubt he will call Jefferson morally depraved for f*cking one of his slaves.

    Nah, no need. Jefferson was a brilliant but flawed man. So was Nietzsche. And both were tormented throughout life, Jefferson going so far to blame God for his wife’s death – the event that changed him. Even when he thought himself “devout”, Jefferson was nominal at best, I believe. His personal life is a testament to that fact. Screwing slaves isn’t the only flaw.

    Greatness doesn’t determine salvation anymore than intellect does. Matter of fact, Christ instructed that those enter the kingdom of heaven would enter as children. Billy Graham is an average Evangelist (his words) but a fabulous Christian. Intellect means nothing, and in fact may interfere with salvation if accompanied with arrogance. And Jefferson was arrogant.

    This public display you and I’ll assume Jefferson condemn would have condemned all of the writers of the New Testament, and anybody else preaching the gospel. In fact, what you just wrote Jefferson quoted, if true, is in direct conflict with the Great Commission.

    So if you are asking me to choose between Jefferson and Jesus, don’t. Jefferson is not even one of my most admired founders, much less divine.

    So quote Jefferson all you like. It won’t change a thing…for Jefferson, you or your mother.

  260. BTW, I expect the personal attacks from Tex to intensify as he becomes less and less sure of the November outcome.

    Riddle me this — Michelle Obama was raised by communists? What chain letter did you get that from ❓

  261. “What if any opinions do you have on the works of Temple Grandin?” – Raji.

    Love her. “Emergence” and “Thinking in Pictures” are a must for anyone looking for insight on the spectrum, but a warning, she was raised in a very dark period for autistic children. Some of her revelations about her childhood are extremely brutal.

    My favorite of hers, though, is “Animals in Translation”. Amazing insight from someone who sees the world differently.

  262. Oh one more note related to my mother and all other loved ones I’ve lost in the past 10 years or so. You know one of the things that goes through my mind when they pass? I think to myself “well, now they know the answer.”

    You see Tex, despite your arrogance, none of us will find out the answer until this life is over. If it weren’t so frightening, it almost makes death welcome … at long last we find out if this really is it, or if there is something after.

  263. “but I actually heard her speak some years back.”- Tex

    I’m curious about the circumstances. Was it some sort of operational seminar? I’ve seen her twice at Autism conventions. Her mother once.

  264. Not for nothing Rutherford but I think you read too much into Jefferson and give more than his due.
    Although I agree he views religion as very personal thing he also seems to be a Christian of convenience. He clearly had Unitarian leanings and a narcissistic tinge that somehow he had the real knowledge.
    Some call him the original American Renaissance man and this is in clear evidence from the atheists embrace.
    All in all I just don’t get your take.

  265. Actually, it was the animal sciences/veterinary medicine at OSU and Grandin’s work. Since I got my MBA from OSU, I am always invited to hear their guest speakers. I was so interested in Grandin’s life’s story, I took a drive to listen.

    She was very interesting and a remarkable woman.

  266. BTW, I expect the personal attacks from Tex to intensify as he becomes less and less sure of the November outcome.

    And we expect Rutherford to finally transform into his true form of the ultimate racial Leftist we have always suspected he was. Where wining, by any means necessary is the order of the day.

  267. Noah @ 367

    I welcome the debate. Hope it gets to the floor.

    “The GAO’s decision means regulators must formally submit the policy to both chambers, giving them 60 days to vote on it. Any uniform action by the House and Senate would then go to the White House for the president’s signature.

    Under the policy, federal waivers would allow states to test new approaches to improving employment among low-income families. In exchange, states would have to prove that their new methods are effective, or lose the waivers.

    Federal health officials note that the change comes in response to requests from states — run by both Republicans and Democrats — for more flexibility under former President Clinton’s landmark welfare-to-work law. As governor of Massachusetts, Romney himself pushed for similar freedom in administering welfare.”

    Notice the last line? Romney now attacks what he said would help when Governor. Just like Ryan attacked the medicare provider cuts from Obamacare that are embedded in his OWN budget.

  268. Do you have evidence of it changing the way he executed his duties? Was he a “Mormon” governor?

    Of course he was a Mormon governor. He clearly states he is fully immersed and not just a “cafeteria style” Mormon. His words.

    Not being very familiar with MA, The only way I see it affected him then was he acted a democrat. Of course, Alfie is more knowledgeable regarding anything MA, but anything re Rmoney he’s over-the-top biased and can’t even see obvious flaws.

  269. You see Tex, despite your arrogance, none of us will find out the answer until this life is over. If it weren’t so frightening, it almost makes death welcome … at long last we find out if this really is it, or if there is something after.

    You may refer to me as arrogant, but I find you the same for very different reasons. You are actually foolish enough to believe in the goodness and assurances of yourself, while blind as a bat. I believe that makes you a tragic and pathetic figure, more worthy of pity then contempt. And now so confident in your ignorance, you’ve actually think yourself wise.

    Your flippancy and glibness notwithstanding, I think you live in fear. You should.

    But don’t kid yourself – we all the fill the void with something.

    Obama in conjunction with party politics is your Jesus – on grand display yesterday for all the world to see.

  270. Noah,

    BTW, I expect the personal attacks from Tex to intensify as he becomes less and less sure of the November outcome.

    Don’t worry. Rutherford never reads me correctly. This is a man who thinks from some goofy statements I’ve made on his blog, he actually understands my wife of 25 years.

    My own beloved’s biggest complaints about my commentary here wouldn’t be me being asshole, which she is perfectly used to and still loves me anyway. It would be why am I associating with people like Rutherford, Tool™ and Newton to begin with. That’s how removed from reality Rutherford is.

    The election is important – very important because our economic stake may hang in the balance. I’m not even sure with a Romney win, the collapse isn’t imminent. If you raise taxes, you’ll further reduce productivity and that’s the only way to create growth to lift us out of the unemployment mess. But entitlements are so out of control, the only way you can possible pay for them is to immediately raise taxes substantially or cut them big time. And neither party has the will to do that. It’s a vicious circle.

    These stooges like Rutherford, who can’t even manage their own finances, have no idea what the tsunami will bring. I’m not sure any of fully understand the implications, but we know the path we’re on will get us there quickly. I’m not even sure what is holding it up now, but when it goes, it will happen in a heartbeat.

    But whether Romney wins the election or not, I won’t be devastated like somebody else I know if Obama should lose. My self worth is not in the Republican ticket.

    See, if we continue down this current path, and that is a given if Republicans don’t win everything, then I would as soon the collapse happen under Obama. I want no more wiggle room for excuse when the pain hits. And I want these bastards to feel immense pain with no bailout. Let them feel the empty belly. They deserve everything coming.

    So I’m not nearly as certain in wanted outcome as Rutherford would like to believe.

  271. In what way did Romney act a democrat? Also what flaws have I been blind to? I mean real flaws not the imaginations of someone who insists on using the Rmoney moniker.
    As for anything concrete I can only say that as a private citizen Mitt spoke up for a Mormon temple being constructed in his hometown Belmont MA. He went to some lengths to prove the temples steeple was not out of the ordinary. He did not hold office at the time of the issue

  272. A Rutherford Tweet

    Clinton points out that the extremist part of the GOP is a party of hate. I say if for no other reason they need to be voted OUT #

    The actuality of the situation:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/06/secret-service-looking-into-dnc-delegate-who-wants-to-kill-romney/

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/anti-christian-hate-speech-spews-from-the-palm-beach-democratic-chair/

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/05/in-godwin-we-trust-sc-dem-chair-likens-nikki-haley-to-hitlers-mistress/

    There are many more…

    Hopefully, some of my adversaries might understand why I am continually making charges of Rutherford as duplicitous hypocrite.

  273. My own beloved’s biggest complaints about my commentary here wouldn’t be me being asshole, which she is perfectly used to and still loves me anyway. It would be why am I associating with people like Rutherford, Tool™ and Newton to begin with. That’s how removed from reality Rutherford is.

    My wife, who generally despises politics, and who leans quite a bit more left than I do, made me laugh my ass off last night. Unbeknownst to me she has been reading behind my back as I go through these posts. Out of the blue I hear her mumble under her breath (fucking idiots)(my wife almost never swears). Without any prompting from me, she has become fully aware just how ludicrous the Left have become. I was quite proud of the conclusions she has drawn.

    I have to agree, the one good thing that will come out of an Obama victory is that 4 years later we will have conclusive evidence that the Leftist/Socialist policies of this administration never had a chance to work. We might just be able to put to bed this libs once and for all. I dont predict we will last much more than a year into Obama’s term should he win, and he will have a full 3 years to reap what he has sown.

  274. Actually, it was the animal sciences/veterinary medicine at OSU – Tex

    She got to talk about cattle? I bet she was pretty jacked. I think she speaks about her autism as a service, but animals are her passion. Clearly.

  275. re 398, socialized medicine, gay marriage, pro choice, global warming. Usually associated with the dreaded left.

    “The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind… ♪♫♪

  276. I have to disagree with you on this one R. It’s not like Romney is saying he’ll outlaw Christianity. He can kneel to crystals for all I care

    Thor I consider you a reasonable Christian. But lots of them proclaim their faith in far more radical ways than do you. I can’t remember the name of that minister who got himself in slightly hot water for saying Romney was not a Christian and that all things being equal, he’d prefer a Christian. I think there are a good number like him. But when it comes to Obama they not only are unimpressed with Obama’s Christianity, some hate him so much that they feel compelled to misclassify him as Muslim.

  277. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder why Christians are not deeply offended by Mormons. God lives on another planet, Jesus was in North America, no immaculate conception, polygamy. I’m still fascinated that the religion not only gained a foothold but gained legitimacy.

  278. Bammi’s an agnostic at best, a consumer of weak people using political expediency, with his own built in messianic complex. That’s why we disdain him, fool. A wolf in sheep’s clothing and an utter fraud.

    Obama is what he needs to be at any particular moment in time. I’ve tried to explain this to you, but you’re too shallow to understand.

    In Hollywood, Obama a dreamy humanist; down south, a rabid Evangelical in cadence; in a mosque, Obama Muslim; Chicago, it’s back to black liberal theology – leftist politics with a thin veneer of religiosity.

    Thor is not a Christian – that is what he told me anyway but I agree, he’s a decent person who I shouldn’t have rolled. Probably explains why you like him with your soft bigotry. 🙄

  279. And another thing …. don’t most missionaries go to places like African countries? What missionary goes to ….. France? That must have been some hard core conversion Mitt was doing at the French cafes eating his croissants and champagne, 🙂

  280. Salt Lake issues the mission orders, from what I understand. I’m certain money has no influence in these spiritual matters. 😀

  281. But lots of them proclaim their faith in far more radical ways than do you.

    And a lot of Leftists are child molesters. By your logic, should I consider you a child molester Rutherford?

  282. But the more I think about it, the more I wonder why Christians are not deeply offended by Mormons.

    Most of us not of the Leftist party of hate, do not feel the need to vilify a man out of hand. Judge not lest ye be judge. All you are about is going after the person or the source, it is no wonder you cannot see past your own bigotry.

  283. How very kind of you Tex. I’m a soft bigot.

    You may have forgotten but I do agree with you that Obama is a Christian of convenience. He’s about as Christian as I am I suspect. 😉

  284. Of the items I could jump on I’m going for the one I can hit quick.
    #407.
    Mormons mission work isn’t necessarily like what people assume mission work to be.It is about building oneself and the church,not houses for poor people.
    That is perhaps oversimplifying but that is it in a nutshell. The folks on mission pay their own way as I understand it and that is why in the USA you’ll often find them in depressed areas. habitation costs.

  285. As unimpressive as Tuesday was, last night was more of a tragic comedy. A parade of victims and bad actors, all vouching for each other. Clinton himself didn’t believe a single word he said.

    Boo God. Boo Jeruselem. And the Nays have it. Whoops. That’s not what it says. Villaraigosa is kind of….what’s the expression? Full of shit, that’s it. Ahh……ahh….Lady? Lady? It says to say the Ayes have it.

    And so the Ayes have it. God is back in Obama’s good graces. We unfriended Israel but we straightened all that out. It’s the will of the people.

    I do love when Antonio is caught knowing he’s about to lie. With the mouth open not speaking thing. Get it together man, just look em straight in the eye and lie.

    Like Debbie. Poor girl suffers from a classic problem with pathological liars in that she simply can’t remember her lies. Hopefully the kids won’t see this stuff or they won’t take too well to her disciplining them.

    Rutherford Thor himself said he wasn’t a Christian.

    The Nazi stuff gives me the warm fuzzies. You?

    Raji – if you haven’t seen the HBO film Temple Grandin starring Claire Danes you should watch it. It’s terrific.

  286. Muffy you sound more like an in the tank partisan everyday. I give Antonio V props for giving the vote 3 shots hoping against hope he’d get a clear two thirds ayes. When he didn’t, he did the politically correct thing.

    Quite frankly a lot more integrity than John Boehner who read his vote decision off a TelePrompTer.

    I commented both at Gorilla’s and BiW’s that the Nazi stuff is not cool. But you know damn well it does not represent the entire Dem party.

    The fact is Muffy that Charlotte is on fire with messages of humanity. Tampa was a bunch of people auditioning for 2016 cos their candidate is a joke. Their message was “if you can’t build that f*ck you. We don’t care about you. “

  287. Wonder if any of you that are good with electronics can help me out. I am having trouble with my DVR. I keep setting it to record “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”, and it keeps recording the Democrat National Convention. Help!

  288. Alfie I don’t associate mission work with house building. I associate it with converting “savages” to Christianity. I was just wondering where all those French savages are.

  289. Noah I know reading is real hard for you. I didn’t ask why Christians are not offended by Mitt. Hell Mitt seems a decent guy. I asked why Christians are not offended by Mormonism which to my eye makes a mockery of Christianity.

    If you don’t have an answer or opinion on the matter then STFU.

  290. “Now I’ll await Tex’s response in which no doubt he will call Jefferson morally depraved for f*cking one of his slaves.”

    I hope he doesn’t; them’s fightin’ words – not because it is an affront to the Great Man, but because it is an affront to beauty its very self. Anybody who doesn’t appreciate the pulchritude of the African woman’s backside is blind or ignorant – that’s all there is to it.

    That, unfortunately Rutherford, is one delicacy of which I have not partaken; alas, where there’s life, there is hope, I guess…

  291. I don’t know if you’re serious,trying to be funny or just being snarky.
    Sharing the Gospel is a big deal for any number of Christ centered entities,the Mormons are no exception. So be it in a prison in St. Louis or a street corner in St Lo its kind of a thing. I suppose you could spite Mitt and others of all faiths for not bravely going in2 the belly of the beast and try to do it in Tehran or Riyadh but hey I don’t see freaking Dawkins doing that either for your side.

  292. I give Antonio V props for giving the vote 3 shots hoping against hope he’d get a clear two thirds ayes. When he didn’t, he did the politically correct thing.

    Since the rules required a 2/3 vote to pass, and they clearly did not have the 2/3 vote, my understanding is that it should not have passed. Could you explain to me how this was politically correct?

  293. FWIW Rutherford a lot of folks have a problem with Mormons and Mormonism.
    I know a lot of folks don’t like the exclusivity clause as it were that Christianity has but it is what it is. And along those lines to say Mohammed or John Smith (more so actually) are speaking the Truth is quite frankly a blasphemy. I don’t think it makes a mockery of Christianity though nor do I think it tries to mock it. It is however quite simply not logical in Christian terms to accept it.

  294. ““What if any opinions do you have on the works of Temple Grandin?” – Raji.
    Love her. “Emergence” and “Thinking in Pictures” are a must for anyone looking for insight on the spectrum, but a warning, she was raised in a very dark period for autistic children. Some of her revelations about her childhood are extremely brutal.”

    Thor – I have an Asperger’s kid, and life has been tough for him. I just bought three of Grandin’s books, hopefully to share with him. He’s like she, he has tremendous skills in very narrow areas (so-called splinter skills) – none of which is interpersonal relations. When he came to visit last Christmas, it was clearly a strain for him to have to socialize with the family. He wanted to get to the basement as quickly as possible, so he could finally use the big screen TV to WRITE THREE PAGES OF COMPUTER CODE SIMULTANEOUSLY, SIDE BY SIDE. Three different programs, two different languages. He writes code effortlessly, like you would write a letter.

    Now to find him work where he can use his skills…I hope our children survive this time in American history, I really do.

  295. I asked why Christians are not offended by Mormonism which to my eye makes a mockery of Christianity.

    Well that is because we are not bigots like yourself. Nothing more complicated than that. We have tolerance for people not like ourselves, but you wouldn’t know anything about that.

  296. Alfie said: “It is however quite simply not logical in Christian terms to accept it.”

    What? Did you really say that? You want to talk “logical?” Now tell me again about that TALKING SNAKE…

  297. Rutherford,

    Christians are supposed to be tolerant, but uncompromising. Most don’t understand the nuts and bolts of the other religions. Church leaders have primarily taken on the roll of indoctrination rather than enlightenment. Some believers are well versed in one or more other ‘faiths’, usually in an attempt debate or deprogram members of that other faith. Sometimes they come out of another ‘faith” and therefore have a better understanding of the ritual and doctrine to which that other one ascribes.

    Christians have attempted to convert others to their faith since the beginnings. Starting with the twelve disciples. What Evangelicals call the ‘The Great Commission’, is believing the Gospel must be preached to the ends of the earth before Christ can return. There is, however, much debate as to how that looks.

    Obviously, folks have used doctrine to enslave and slaughter others. Never was it so intended. As a matter of fact, most of the early ‘witnesses’ were persecuted because their new found belief system was counter to the PTB, culturally, religiously, and in governing.

    It still is. That’s basically the ‘sword’ the Word talks about. What Jesus has brought forth. It separates the good and righteous from the evil and unjust – no matter where it resides. We’re tasked to go before kings and rulers and into the courts, wherever we are led, to witness regarding who Jesus is and what His coming, sacrifice, and resurrection means to mankind.

    So believers SHOULD be aware of the doctrinal differences between faiths. Research is very easy nowadays. They should not accept that others worship the same deity just in a different way. There are moral folks throughout, but also plenty of wolves posed as sheep. That’s why we’re to be crafty as serpents and harmless as doves.

    Jesus is still the litmus test. If it doesn’t walk, talk, act, and love like Jesus, it likely isn’t part of His body. The body is the Church, which is also referred to as the bride.

  298. I think it is very telling the kind of man Rutherford is that he expects people should hate one another. I think it speaks how closes minded he is that he cannot understand why they are not. It does explain why he is a proud Leftists.

    I was wondering Rutherford, now that even CNN is calling bullshit on Obama’s job numbers, are you sticking to your guns or admitting you are wrong?

  299. Raji – if you haven’t seen the HBO film Temple Grandin starring Claire Danes you should watch it. It’s terrific.

    Thanks Muffy. I have just now found the books.

  300. “Alfie I don’t associate mission work with house building.”

    Rutherford, ever heard of Habitat for Humanity? I’m assuming you are joking!!!
    Mission work is not always about saving the Christians from the caldron pot.

  301. “Well that is because we are not bigots like yourself. Nothing more complicated than that. We have tolerance for people not like ourselves, but you wouldn’t know anything about that.”

    You’re too funny. I say that if Jesus was like nutty Pat Robertson than he was an a$$hole and you say I’ve hit a new low. Mormons say God lives on a different planet and Jesus was in America and suddenly you’re Mr. Tolerant.

    Feh. Give me a better explanation than your faux tolerance.

  302. “I think it is very telling the kind of man Rutherford is that he expects people should hate one another.”- Noah

    Noah, sometimes you are just so full of BS I think you need to take a daily laxative.

  303. PF while I know Steve Jobs was not autistic your story of your boy reminded me of what Steve Wozniak said about Jobs. He said Jobs could write great code but couldn’t get along with anyone. In his early days he’d be brought in to code solo so he wouldn’t have to be with anyone.

  304. I’m the guy that invites the Mormon’s or the Jehovah Witnesses in to my living room to debate when they come around canvasing the neighborhood. They often don’t come back. Sometimes I see them back in my neighborhood avoiding me. My house is marked. 😆

    My wife hates that I do that. If I’m not here and missionaries come by, she pretends nobody is home.

  305. “But lots of them proclaim their faith in far more radical ways than do you.” – R

    I thought you were talking about the contributors here. Yes, the party in general has some poli-religious zealots, but I think everyone here draws the line somewhere.

  306. [Who do I expect should hate each other? Noah, you’re a loony tune.]

    [I asked why Christians are not offended by Mormonism which to my eye makes a mockery of Christianity. ]

    The nutter says what?

    It is hard to explain to a moral life to an immoral person. My faith teaches me that people of other denominations are still children of God. My faith teaches me that even someone like you, is a child of God. While I disagree with what Mormon’s belifs, they are still children of God. I think they are misguided, I think they have misinterpreted the Bible according to my understanding. But I don’t hate them, I never could.

    In contrast you hate everything that doesn’t conform to your beliefs. You show this everyday when you mock my faith, when you blasphemy a figure that is sacred to me and my beliefs. You and your party are the most intolerant segment of our country.

    The only time you show tolerance is when it benefits you to do so. For proof all we have to do is look at your Messiah position on gay marriage in 2008 and then in 2012.

  307. Alfie thanks for the honest answer on Mormonism. To be clear I don’t think Mormons are intending to mock Chistianity. I’m just surprised that the bizarre direction in which they take Chistianity isn’t seen as a mockery.

    I know some Christians don’t view Mormons as Christian but do most Mormons view themselves as Christian?

  308. “Muffy you sound more like an in the tank partisan everyday.”

    That’s some brass right there, Rutherford. You sound more like Bill Maher every day. I guess we’re just growing apart.

    ”The fact is Muffy that Charlotte is on fire with messages of humanity.”

    Those were Clinton’s pants, Rutherford.

  309. “Since the rules required a 2/3 vote to pass, and they clearly did not have the 2/3 vote, my understanding is that it should not have passed. Could you explain to me how this was politically correct?”

    Mmm don’t know how to make that clearer. The politically correct thing was to get God and Jerusalem back on the platform. That’s what Antonio did by ultimately ignoring the vote.

  310. @ Rutherford I am not a Mormon but I have made it a point in the past to get in2 a dialog with them.
    The ones I’ve spoken with were pretty clear that that they were LDS and Christian.

  311. Mmm don’t know how to make that clearer. The politically correct thing was to get God and Jerusalem back on the platform. That’s what Antonio did by ultimately ignoring the vote.

    And there you have it folks, in the man’s own words. He is pro COMMUNISM. He did RIGHT, by IGNORING the will of the people, ie the vote. There is nothing more we need to know about Mr. I can only vote for the black man, Lawson.

  312. Mormonism is considered a Christian cult. They believe Joseph Smith got a new revelation from some gold tablets inscribed with Egyptian characters and buried in upstate New York by an Angel named Moroni, I believe. Translated, they became the Book of Mormon. They don’t teach Jesus as God and the only true path (or gate) to salvation. Jesus supposedly was married to three women and Joseph Smith was descended from that bloodline. It only gets more strange the deeper you delve.

  313. Raji – if you haven’t seen the HBO film Temple Grandin starring Claire Danes you should watch it. It’s terrific.

    I second that. I watched it just a few months ago, and it is terrific. Watched it twice.

  314. I’m the guy that invites the Mormon’s or the Jehovah Witnesses in to my living room to debate when they come around canvasing the neighborhood.

    😆 Yeah, I’ll bet they don’t come back. 😆 They leave skid marks getting out of that hole. Even the missionaries have their limits.

    My house is marked.

    Not a dog in the neighborhood passes it up. 😈 I’ll bet your kitchen table show the monthly menu – retro.

    Damn, that makes me shudder to think about conversing with the squatter in squalor.

  315. The Celebration of Failure…

    Perfect.

    I heard a small portion of the awful speech tonight on the radio (the consensus is apparently the magic was gone and it was a clunker short of the hacks). When Biden is getting better reviews, you know it’s in the toilet. I literally can’t wait to watch Jolting Joe in the debates.

    One thing that cracked me up was Bongo criticizing 30 years of failed “trickle down” after just having Slick try to save his sorry ass last night.

    What the hell does Bongo think Clinton practiced in 1995-2001 as economic policy? 😆 Maxine Waters must have written that line.

  316. Hey Rutherford,

    Can you pass on to all your pals like Obama that students are paying more for college than they did four years ago. . . .

    Good grief. Another Maxine Waters line.

  317. “Really Muffy, I thought that was how one learned; I am interested in other’s opinions.”

    In my opinion, Newt, you and Rutherford are bird-dogging this frustrating acceptance of Mitt Romney’s faith that the few Christians here seem to have. He (R) more than you, but I’m weary of the scrutinies of other peoples’ salvation. How’s your own working out? Mitt will answer for himself, so will I, and so will you.

  318. I guess, I didn’t explain my question so well, but my concept of Christian belief is that the First Commandment, “there is no other God” (paraphrasing) is sacrosanct to accepting Christianity. That and the belief in The Trinity, God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost. And that “no man reaches heaven except through me, Christ.” (paraphrasing) Am I wrong? Can any religion be Christian and not belief in these things? Mind you, I am not knocking Mormons or their church, but I do believe it has no more in common with Christianity than Islam, well actually I think it has less in common than Islam. Muslims believe in only one God, but both Islam and Mormons dismiss Christ’s divinity.

  319. Muffy,

    Newt’s salvation is the Dimocratic Convention. Seriously. She told me last night Jesus never mentioned hell. 😀

    I think she attended the same school of theology Rutherford did:

    Second Ebenezer Church of Obama.

  320. Tex, “Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning.” President Barack Obama explaining the Republican’s philosophy of governing, and my husband’s favorite quote from his speech tonight.

  321. Tex, “Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning.” President Barack Obama explaining the Republican’s philosophy of governing, and my husband’s favorite quote from his speech tonight.

    Man, what a dynamite line. Ask not what your country can do for you…

    I can see you married the right man – the depth of those living room conversations at the Newton house must be mind numbing.

    Except you have one little incongruity to explain, Newton. It’s real easy – so simple, even you might be able to grasp it.

    Ready?

    Obama gave all of us a “massive tax” cut. And he extended the “Bush Tax Cuts” in the process too.

    So it would appear to me your savior Obama not only agreed with the Bush Tax Doctrine, but doubled down on it.

    How do you and your Dagwood explain that to me, Hot Lips?

  322. This guy thinks himself a good Christian.

    Breivik described his far-right militant ideology in a compendium of texts entitled 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, which he distributed electronically on the day of the attacks. In it he lays out his worldview, which includes Islamophobia, support of Zionism and opposition to feminism. It regards Islam and “cultural Marxism” as “the enemy”, and argues for the violent annihilation of “Eurabia” and multiculturalism, and the deportation of all Muslims from Europe based on the model of the Beneš decrees. Breivik wrote that his main motive for the atrocities was to market his manifesto. Breivik had been active on several Islamophobic and nationalist blogs, […] was a regular reader of Gates of Vienna, the Brussels Journal and Jihad Watch.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

    He is far from alone in his ideology.

  323. If Romney is smart, and I believe he is:

    There is one false narrative that needs to be put to rest and it is easy to do. It’s the huge lie that Dimocrats continue to sing, and to the best of my knowledge, I haven’t heard one GOPer correct the record. Drive me crazy and one of the things that infuriates me about dimwitted strategists of the Republican Party.

    ——-

    The real cause of the current mess is not some make believe bust in supply side, but the real estate mess and accompanying housing boom and bust. Anybody that doesn’t understand this is either stupid or a liar.

    The boom was caused by policies going back decades to encourage people to buy houses they couldn’t afford and to coerce and extort banks to lend them the money to do so.

    While this had support from many useless Republicans, it was a policy primarily driven by Democrats. It wasn’t just Fannie and Freddie, led by corrupt pols like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, both who belong in prison.

    It was also the action of “community organizers” like Barack Obama, who himself sued Citibank in the 1990s to compel them to give out loans to people who couldn’t afford them.

    And why they don’t nail this useless POS for his lack of accountability is beyond me. I plan on advertising this all over the net, because I don’t think people know Mr. Obama’s real history:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/03/with-landmark-lawsuit-barack-obama-pushed-banks-to-give-subprime-loans-to-chicagos-african-americans/

  324. Newt,

    1) Christ said “It is finished.” The book, the work His Father sent Him to do, His sacrifice. It was finished.
    2) The first commandment is without nuance, it is clear. It is also Old Testament.
    3) That Christ is the Son of God is also unequivocal in that He claimed it.

    I hope that helps.

    PS…don’t worry about the Apostle’s Creed. It’s not on the test.

    PPS…the ten commandments is a fascinating study. I highly recommend it.

  325. Of course I know the Apostles’ Creed, I could recite it in my sleep.

    That’s amazing. Really is.

    Why can’t you and Dagwood remember Obama’s “two massive tax cuts” then?

    I don’t know. Maybe you are Michelle Antoinette. You provide about the amount of sophistication I imagine Chewy providing.

    Barack apparently can’t remember them either.

  326. I’m not even going to bother reading comments tonight because I want to go to bed in a good mood. I’ll engage tomorrow.

    Bottom line, DNC was a success. It did what it needed to do. Now it’s on to the debates.

  327. Well, the DNC was a huge success in the Celebration of Massive Failure.

    I’ll give Rutherford that much.

    What little I saw looked like a three ring circus in a very small convention center, with animals and everything.

    You could really get up close and personal to the dung and stuff.

  328. GOOOODDDDDD MORNING, RutherNam….

    I wanted to be the first to awaken you of the reviews:

    Here’s Peggy Noonan’s take – she was on your attagirl list back in 2008 when she gushed over Barry. Remember at Chen’s? Why you just fawned over her and Kathleen, David Brooks and David Frum, Christopher Buckley and and and…

    Peggy’s take?

    It was stale and empty. He’s out of juice.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

  329. Last night, Clinton defended Obama’s HHS, saying that it would waive the work requirements for states “only if they had a credible plan to increase employment by 20 percent and they could keep the waivers only if they did increase employment. Now, did—did I make myself clear? The requirement was for more work, not less.”

    It may sound convincing, but Rector explains why this is a meaningless measure:

    In the typical state, 1.5 percent of the TANF caseload leaves welfare and obtains work each month. Thus, any state can be fully exempted from the TANF work requirements if it raises the number of exits to 1.8 percent. This is a miniscule change. What will the other 98.2 percent of the caseload be doing? No one knows for sure. But one thing we do know for certain: They will be exempt from the federal “work participation” requirements established in the welfare reform law.

  330. poolman@440: One of my friends in college showed me a thing to do when the Witnesses come around: open the door a tiny crack and stick just your nose through. “Yes?”

    “We’re here on a mission from God, etc….”

    “I can’t talk to you; I’m in the Federal Jehova’s Witness Protection Program.”

    And close the door.

    ************

    I’ve only been nasty to them one time. I had just finished building my airplane (at my house) and had it up on a set of three scales, doing the weight and balance. It was a very precarious setup, and the plane had just tumbled off the scales, while I was trying to shepherd my four year-old and keep him away, in case it fell again. He was crying; I was hot and sweaty and frustrated.

    And here they came, wanting to talk about God.

    They wouldn’t take a hint; I couldn’t get them to go away no matter what I said politely. Finally I just told them very plainly that I was in no mood for foolishness and they had to go, or things were going to get ugly.

  331. Obama’s specch was completely empty. He’s got nothing other than deification, the hope that we’ve all been asleep for four years and this is all a bad dream. I thought it was rerun.

    R’s tweet:

    “If a cancer victim doesn’t stop treatment midway, why would we stop our healing midway? ”

    Because you’ve entusted your cancer treatment to a chiropracter. It’s time to for the oncologist.

    Noonan’s piece was was a good one.

  332. “”The fact is Muffy that Charlotte is on fire with messages of humanity.”

    That’s IMHO the very kernel of the Left’s problem: they THINK their way is moral, ethical, good, mom-and-apple-pie and the girl you left behind. They talk a great game and really believe it, I think.

    In point of fact, however, the socialist model – without exception -leads directly to poverty, totalitarianism, fear, everything evil. They don’t see that; they can’t see beyond the first level: “if folks have no money, you just take it by force from people who do and give it to them.” Sounds great in principle, but like everything else, the easy way is never the right one.

    I don’t think the Left is manifestly evil. It’s just that their ill-considered policies invariably lead there. If you are concerned with “humanity,” Rutherford – and I believe we all are – then RUN from these people with all your might.

  333. muff opined: ” but I’m weary of the scrutinies of other peoples’ salvation. How’s your own working out? Mitt will answer for himself, so will I, and so will you.”

    No you won’t.

  334. I think Tex is going to need a Prozac this morning; stock market up (highest in 4 1/2 years) and the unemployment numbers are down this morning. Last night Greta Van Susteren said, The Republicans might have to start making nice with ‘the Hispanics.’ Ya think! Kind of too late I think. Morning Joe/guests reviewed both conventions, damn but I would like to see both of them again this next week played on a split screen.

  335. Newt, you twit, the Messiah administration has not got the unemployment numbers right in years. EVERY TIME the numbers are posted, they are revised the following week, but don’t let facts get in your way of Messiah worship. As for wallstreet, yes we know, your Messiah did that.

  336. Newton: So you’re telling me these headlines from Yahoo:

    Jobs Growth Brakes in August, Seen Forcing Fed’s Hand

    Followed by the headlines from Drudge:

    8.1%
    +96,000
    FED SET TO PUMP
    368,000 DROPPED OUT
    88,921,000 ‘NOT IN LABOR FORCE’

    That’s good news for the Bammi, hey? 😀 Gee Newton, I might need two of those pills of yours.

    Let me explain to you what just happened on this “great” news:

    People are leaving the jobs market. Once a worker goes off his 99 weeks of unemployment payments, they head straight to Social Security disability. JP Morgan noted this several months ago, and the trend seems to be accelerating.

    Once you’re on SSDI, you’re off the unemployment rolls. Last month, 368,000 people stopped looking for work.

    See, If Obama can get everyone out the the workforce, the unemployment rate will be 0%.

    Keep plowing ahead Newton and frequenting those news places …you’re on the right track. 😉

  337. Both the civilian labor force (154.6 million) and the labor force participation rate (63.5 percent) declined in August.

    That’s a new O’Blammo 30-year low in the civilian participation rate, lower than April’s 63.6%and reason for the decline in the jobless rate.

    FORWARD!!!

  338. My favorite lines from Noonan’s piece:

    “There was the relentless emphasis on Government as Community, as the thing that gives us spirit and makes us whole. But government isn’t what you love if you’re American, America is what you love. Government is what you have, need and hire. Its most essential duties—especially when it is bankrupt—involve defending rights and safety, not imposing views and values. We already have values. Democrats and Republicans don’t see all this the same way, and that’s fine—that’s what national politics is, the working out of this dispute in one direction or another every few years. But the Democrats convened in Charlotte seemed more extreme on the point, more accepting of the idea of government as the center of national life, than ever, at least to me.”

    Amen.

  339. It’s a sad time in America, when there are millions of voting Newtons in the country, and I have to resort to a funny video just to explain how dire the circumstances. This mirage is going up in smoke.

    Gang, voting won’t do it. Winning election won’t do it. Like Clint said, “We got to cut them loose…”

    So how do we do it? Help me figure out how to build a wall of separation between us and Newtons of the country.

    If you don’t, you’re children and their future are toast.

  340. You might need more than two tablets Tex; they leftover from my daughter’s cat. But we don’t want you peeing outside the box, pretending to be a man, do we?

  341. I’ll wager Klavan was describing to a T Rutherford’s and Newton’s understanding of economics. I shall call it “Lawsonomics.”

    I’d laugh but I can’t. It’s just too pathetic.

    FORWARD!!!!

  342. Newton and Rutherford’s understanding of economics would be akin to shoving their brain up a gnat’s ass…

    And it appearing like a BB in a boxcar.

    Nanonomics…

    We’re doomed.

  343. Tigre, I would vote for Clint’s chair before I’d vote for Mitt. No one has seen his plan or his taxes, you can ride on the roof of his car, but I won’t.

  344. Tigre,

    I figure Newton was once upon a time about 100lbs and many years ago, one of those cheerleaders that had gigantic bows in her hair and kicked her legs way up high for the football team, probably forgetting to put her tights on.

    Now she sits around with the Exec (cough cough) and holds her pom poms, shuffling to MMM Obama, MMM OBAMA sis boom bah YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!!!

    The Exec, with 13th beer in one hand, remote at the other, screams at the Tube – FORWARD!!! Gawd, what a great line!

    BURP….

  345. Just imagine what we could do as a country, if only Congress worked on jobs?

    You might want to have a talk with Harry Reid about that. Not only has he prevented votes on budgets coming out of the House, preferring to not have one instead, he’s also been sitting on more than 40 separate bills thaty focusing on jobs.

  346. “Thor – I have an Asperger’s kid, and life has been tough for him. I just bought three of Grandin’s books, hopefully to share with him.” PF

    I think Aspies, in a way, have it the toughest. Although they are higher functioning, they are also more aware of the challenges they face. Double-edged sword.

    I hope the books help him.

  347. Thor, I just got tired of the glibness every retort, every time. It was like a dog who when I would turn my back, would pull on my pant leg. That’s the Tool™. So I turned around and kicked you in the mouth like I do him. Yeah, it was a shitty thing to do. Did the same thing to Raji – shouldn’t have done that either.

    You read like a good dad and someone I would admire – even if your politics are rancid. By the way – the Bradley Manning thing was a joke gone awry. I had no idea you would take me seriously.

    You think I’m actually going to mock an elderly WWII Vet? For crying out loud, man. I’m the most jingoist American on the planet. I can be one sorry SOB. But not that sorry.

    So I’ve got a question. 😈

    What kind of chutzpah does it take for a President to make this statement:

    “There isn’t a government program for all ills…”

    Then proceeds for the rest of the clunker of a speech to talk about nothing but one huge government program after another? Come on man, you’re better than that. You’re not stupid like the rest of these leftist dimwits.

    The rest of them are either brainless, over the hill cheerleaders or dimwitted lackeys – I’m not wasting one more second trying to convince them of their profound ignorance. They deserve to be mocked unmercifully.

    But in your case, it was uncalled for and I apologize.

    What do I have to provide to convince you spending is our problem, more government not the solution and is the problem, and fill in the disconnect? You’re the only one here from the left who occasionally seems interested in truth.

  348. Dear Unemployed,

    Prepare to be blown away by the empathy.

    Who loves you, baby?

    Yours Truly,

    Alan Krueger
    White House economic adviser

  349. Gang, voting won’t do it. Winning election won’t do it. Like Clint said, “We got to cut them loose…”

    So how do we do it? Help me figure out how to build a wall of separation between us and Newtons of the country.

    The way I see it, buy land, grow your own food, and hunker down. The only way we are going to get a true course correction is when the system completely implodes upon itself. If Obama gets reelected, I give it 4-8 yrs before it occurs, at best. By that time we will be paying more than $1 trillion in interested on our debt, and things should predictably collapse.

  350. AFTER A week as topic No. 1 in American politics, former Carmel Mayor Clint Eastwood said the outpouring of criticism from left-wing reporters and liberal politicians after his appearance at the Republican National Convention last Thursday night, followed by an avalanche of support on Twitter and in the blogosphere, is all the proof anybody needs that his 12-minute discourse achieved exactly what he intended it to.

    “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week. “Romney and Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that’s what everybody needs to know. I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle.” ~ Eastwood

    http://www.pineconearchive.com/120907-1.html

  351. With an updated version of that graphic comparing Obama’s promises with what he delivered. ” If the labor force participation rate was the same as when Obama took office in January 2009, the unemployment rate would be 11.2%. If the participation rate had just stayed the same as last month, the unemployment rate would be 8.4%.”

    Congratulations Rutherford on the outstanding conclusion to our 3rd Recovery Summer. Long live the lion Joe Biden.

    Even the hacks can’t spin this one.

  352. I thought Obama seemed flat, but it’s hard to be rah rah and serious at the same time. Still far better than any thing that came out of Tampa. I imagine he already knew the job numbers. Hard to get happy seeing that.

    Tex, the tax cuts were part of the compromise necessary to get the stimulus passed and later to extend unemployment benefits. Ironically, the right says Obama’s lack of compromise is hurting us.

    He’s talking about letting the marginal rate go up 3% on incomes over $250,000, the people that are not hurting in this economy. The same rate we had during the Clinton years.

    But there is no need to worry about jobs. The job creators got our back. They’ve spent the last 133 months of tax cuts “thinking” about creating jobs. I have all the confidence in the world that they will spend the last 4 months of their tax cuts implementing those thoughts, finally coming through on their promise to create jobs and boost the economy. 😉

  353. @thor 516 so snark aside what is the flip side? You can’t possibly believe government can tax,spend & borrow the country to a better place…Seriously
    I honestly don’t see why Obama should be given more time. I do not see why,given the way the congressional elections look,we should assume Obama could be any better than these past few years.
    I don’t care which candidate you like or loathe it defies reason to believe we are on the right track.
    I don’t believe tomorrow is an option for the hard choices America has facing it and I don’t think Obama and the Democrats have what it takes to lead us through what is inevitably coming our way.

  354. “Lawsonomics” 😆 That’s funny.

    The biggest difference between Obama and the chair is that the chair only gets bought once.

    I think the Rutherfordian faith requires the chair to speak and shit skittles, the really tart ones. 😉

  355. I thought the Lewis speech was the most moving. Forgiving but not forgetting.

    My favorite line from Obama’s speech was the Lincoln quote. Paraphrasing, hope I don’t slaughter it too bad. “Many times I have been driven to my knees by the conviction that I had no where else to go.” The cynics will jump on it for the connection to Abe, but it seemed personal to me.

    Many here think the debates will decide the election, and that may well be true. But I think September will be just as critical. Obama will attempt to make this a choice election. Romney will try to make it a referendum on Obama. Whoever wins that battle will forge the prism through which the debates will be viewed.

  356. Thor, Obama has to be happy about going from 8.3% to 8.1% unemployment, anytime it is going down is better than going up. And since I doubt he believes in Santa Claus, he knows better than any of us how hard it is to get gains with no cooperation from Congress.

  357. Newt, how is it even possible for you to be this thick. The numbers went down because people LOST their unemployment and are not being counted. Dear God women, go stand in a wind tunnel and recharge that brain of yours.

  358. Thor,

    Tex, the tax cuts were part of the compromise necessary to get the stimulus passed and later to extend unemployment benefits. Ironically, the right says Obama’s lack of compromise is hurting us.

    No, that’s not entirely true. There was no compromise in the fact it required zero Republican votes to pass and Obama received zero Republicans in the vote.

    This was Obama’s first talking point – that you don’t raise taxes in a recession, which I provided the video above. So he is contradicting himself at this moment. The tax cuts were meaningless, amounting if memory serves to about $13.00 a paycheck.

    At least half of that stimulus was passed under the guise of “shovel ready jobs.” There were none. As it panned out, much of that must was slush funds passed to Obama’s biggest campaign bundlers, including the most infamous – George Kaiser and Solyndra.

    Whatever reason, Dimocrats have sole responsibility of a failed trillion dollar stimulus.

  359. Read the…blog? I defer my previous statement and to 528. Listen to the video R, it helps the number make sense. You have to take other things into consideration than pure jobs made. It really does matter comrade.

  360. I think Aspies, in a way, have it the toughest. Although they are higher functioning, they are also more aware of the challenges they face. Double-edged sword.

    I hope the books help him.

    I think it depends a lot on the severity of the condition.

    Because of my older son’s diagnosis, I got a lot of self-education on the subject. My Dad likely had a much more severe case (I just thought he was a curmugeon who hated people when I was a kid). I recognize some of the classic traits in myself, but my wife agrees that in my case, though recognizable, it is mild. Heir No. One’s case falls somewhere in between. He knows he has it, he knows he experiences the world differently than most people, and he also knows if shouldn’t be an excuse for not meeting or exceeding general standards of conduct and achievement.

  361. Tex your dagwood flashback is more dumbass. If I’m not mistaken according to economic indicators we are no longer in a recession so all bets are off and it’s time to soak the rich. Har har har!!!

  362. But in your case, it was uncalled for and I apologize.
    What do I have to provide to convince you spending is our problem, more government not the solution and is the problem, and fill in the disconnect? – Tex

    Sorry, I think our responses passed in the ether. Again, thank you. It’s all good. I probably was being way too sensitive.

    You don’t have to convince me that spending is our problem. You have to convince me that spending is our ONLY problem. Let’s find places to cut that don’t hurt the most vulnerable among us. But you saw that debate. They all took the oath. No tax increases. Not even a ten-to-one deal. That’s not balance.

  363. “@thor 516 so snark aside what is the flip side? You can’t possibly believe government can tax,spend & borrow the country to a better place…Seriously
    I honestly don’t see why Obama should be given more time. I do not see why,given the way the congressional elections look,we should assume Obama could be any better than these past few years.” – Alfie

    Because I’m basically being asked to choose between a stunted recovery and a debacle. Given a better choice, a new way, I might consider it. But Romney looks like Bush warmed over. And Obama might actually get some cooperation from Republicans once they no longer have the obligation (in their mind) to make him a one term president. How powerful would it be for him to say to them. “Look, I’ve won my second term. I’m retiring in four years either way. But you guys are up for re-election in two. And if we don’t start making better progress, you are the ones the American people will take it out on.”

  364. Tex your dagwood flashback is more dumbass. If I’m not mistaken according to economic indicators we are no longer in a recession so all bets are off and it’s time to soak the rich. Har har har!!!

    I missed this. Newton is a ditz. She wouldn’t get the joke if you explained it to her.

    Anybody that thinks we ever came out of a recession is a triple dog dare moron.

    You’re becoming unhinged and incredibly angry. Have a bowel movement on me. 😉 Push it, and you’ll be shitting your pants because of me. I can make this as nasty as you wanna be, and you won’t win. No threat, just fact.

    Remember, you made this personal with your Huckabee comment. I have no idea why you thought that comment necessary or what led to the tantrum, but it was you that elevated the personal. If you can’t run with the big dogs, don’t get off the porch. If you can’t handle the truth, don’t broach the subject.

  365. Because I’m basically being asked to choose between a stunted recovery and a debacle.

    This isn’t a recovery. It is a debacle. No, it’s worse than a debacle – it’s a disaster in the making and you’re burying your head in the sand because you don’t like the flavor. Currently, your mortgaging your boy’s future with your choices.

    The best you could hope for with an Obama win is a repeat of 2011 and 2012 – a stalemate and we are running out of time. There is no way Republican could cooperate with Obama, because cooperation means compromise, and compromise just got us a $16 trillion dollar deficit with zero chance of it slowing down under Obama. He neither understands free enterprise or private business. And after 2010, a Dimocratic majority Congress will never happen for a generation. Obama failed and the Dimocrats failed. Doesn’t a historic turnover of positions tell you that there is no way American will turn back down that road? That wasn’t a win – it was a rout.

    Your answer is based on a false premise. You have no idea if Romney would be Bush. And Bush’s deficits were half of what we have now.

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