Simple Lies Beat Difficult Truths Every Time

As I watch the Republican National Convention I observe my favorite liberal pundits at MSNBC voicing concern over the easy to digest lies that are spilling forth from the Tampa Bay Times Forum. Was it Winston Churchill who said “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”? Sure enough look at the lies being told at the convention and a bonus lie that still persists:

“You Didn’t Build That’ — Yup the easy lie designed to get the voters bowels in a knot is that Obama thinks the government is totally responsible for the success of individuals. The difficult truth: we are all interdependent. We are a cooperative society. We need each other. Government and tax payers can help.

“Obama is stealing from Medicare to fund Obamacare” — Another lie designed to scare seniors. The difficult truth: 716 billion is taken out of Medicare by way of efficiencies that will have zero impact on Medicare recipients.

“Obama dropped the work requirement from welfare” — A third lie designed in part to stoke racial resentments (welfare is always code for lazy black people). Every fact checker has debunked this lie.  The difficult truth: the welfare rules were loosened to provide states with more creative ways of moving welfare recipients into the workforce.

“Death panels” — The bonus lie implying that government will ration health care and kill those deemed undeserving. The difficult truth: a panel of experts will advise health care providers on efficiencies which will result in cost savings AND better health outcomes for patients.

The Democratic party finds itself in the tough situation of having to provide somewhat complicated answers that are the truth in competition with much easier to understand lies. The irony of this predicament, so thick you could cut it with a knife, is that this is the very tactic used by the Democrats in 2008. What could be more mindless and simplistic than “hope and change”? Yet it was the perfect pabulum to feed an audience of voters whose tastes run from “Jersey Shore” to “Jackass”. Now, in 2012, the tables have been turned and the Republicans are using the same apple sauce (no chewing necessary) in the hopes of winning the votes of a nation of half-wits.

In a sick sort of way, it’s almost poetic justice that the Republicans use the same dumbed-down approach to defeat the Democrats who used that approach four years ago. Sadly when difficult to understand truths get tossed aside for simple lies, it’s the country that loses in the long run.

Respectfully,
Rutherford

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445 thoughts on “Simple Lies Beat Difficult Truths Every Time

  1. Rutherford has adopted the Poolman Governmental strategery of determining truth. Only he and he alone can see to the future + Poolman.

    I actually thought the Whigs did an incredibly formidable job last night, considering they’re going out of business.

    By the way, I disagree with every point on Rutherford’s list. They’re all true.

    —–

    Can you imagine the delusion one has to believe government will provide us with a favorable set of outcomes concerning healthcare?

    Government can’t even produce a budget and Nancy Pelosi still thinks unemployment benefits are the best way to stimulate the economy.

    You willing to put your life in San Fran Nan’s hands? 😯

    Good grief, these people are clueless. If you didn’t know better, you would think you logged into ‘The Onion’ for analysis after reading this.

  2. Hey Rutherford,

    You know what my best laugh out loud last night was? The fact checker of MSNBC. That was like Hershey’s Chocolate on my vanilla sundae.

    Ezra Klein? 😆 😆 😆 Of Journolist Fame? That Ezra Klein?

    Was Baghdad Bob out sick, or something?

  3. “Obama dropped the work requirement from welfare” — A third lie designed in part to stoke racial resentments (welfare is always code for lazy black people). Every fact checker has debunked this lie.”

    Yeah. Except Mickey Kaus.

    Welfare is code for PGA. 😆

  4. Nevada asked to discuss flexibility in imposing those requirements. Those families hardest to employ could be exempted from the work requirements for six months while officials worked with them to stabilize their households, “to allow time for their barriers to be addressed and their household circumstances stabilized.”

    Nevada’s words, not mine. 😉

    What do we assign to lying fact checkers?

    I give it four Baghdad Bob’s – Ezra Klein territory.

  5. Coulter was killer. You don’t know whether to laugh to nod your head when you read this:

    This is how the media’s “fact checkers” operate when it comes to a Republican campaign ad. One not very well-informed person (or a heavily biased person) announces that Romney’s welfare ad is false, and the rest of the herd quote him, without anyone ever bothering to examine the facts, much less citing anyone who knows what he’s talking about.

    and

    On closer examination, it turns out that by “every fair analyst,” Fineman Rutherford means a bunch of liberals quoting one another.

    We witnessed that last night and this morning.

  6. Apparently Harvard didn’t have a class on Man Code 101. You are such a pus, dude. Admit there is no plan and the only reason we should vote for the dismal failure is because that snooty woman on your fake radio show tells us we should. Boooooo! You sure backed yourself in an embarrassing corner.

  7. I think Rutherford may have had one too many of my Bitters concoction. Might have to let him sleep it off. Bar is open if anyone would like their very own Bitters Shot

  8. “This isn’t a matter of who is more patriotic or who is more empathetic towards people or who is nicer. It’s a hard-headed assessment of what makes our economy grow” Obama

    Lol. Uh?

  9. I think I found Obama’s plan

    BAKED SKUNK

    1 fat skunk
    2 lbs. salt
    1 flat board
    4 nails

    Carefully clean and prepare fat skunk. Soak in salt water for 3 days. Select a flat board of green oak, less than 1 inch thick. Carefully stretch skunk on board and nail down legs. Place skunk on board in preheated oven at 375 degrees for 1 1/2 hours. After cooking time is up, take skunk and board out of oven. Carefully take nails out of board. Cautiously take the skunk off the board and then eat the board.

  10. If the truth was pretty, we wouldn’t need politicians. Somebody has to sell the lie and keep us entertained and ignorant.

    Welcome to the full realization of the American Dream. We built it. 😈

  11. Why you should never talk to the police and why you should vote for Ron Paul:

    A young lady of my acquaintance is a mom of about 30, with one girl-child of two years, upon whom she dotes. Her husband makes about 120K as a senior software engineer; they are the typical yuppie upward-mobile. Both are highly educated. They live in the Hell Hole, er I mean Washington, DC.

    KK decided yesterday to grab a Starbucks coffee on her way home from picking up the baby from daycare. She eschewed one Starbucks because she didn’t want to awaken the sleeping baby and she couldn’t see the car from the parking lot.

    At a second Starbucks, she parked the car in the shade on this 75 degree day, carefully locked it, made sure she could see the car and dashed in Starbucks to dispose of a poopy diaper and grab a cup of coffee.

    She was immediately followed into the Starbucks by a man who proceeded to upbraid her for “leaving her baby in the car with the windows rolled up.” She told him to fuck himself.

    At eleven o’clock last night, the Fairfax police showed up at her door, waking both her and the baby. The dad was on a train to NYC for business.

    Here’s where she made her mistake: She did what almost 100% of people do; she assumed they were reasonable folks and explained exactly what happened.

    Today they arrested her for “misdemeanor child neglect.” This woman, who is the most attentive, fastidious, loving and caring parent in the world and in fact, considers that her identity, is, to put it bluntly, shattered.

    NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER talk to the police without a mouthpiece present. Never. They are not your friend. They are not nice. They don’t care about mitigating circumstances. Their job is arrest, plain and simple. Don’t tell them to go fuck themselves, either. Just smile nicely and say, “I have no statement for you, officer. All communication on this matter will be through my lawyer.” Open the door, but do not go out OR INVITE THEM IN. EVER. Their job is to arrest people; they do not care whether you are a nice person or it is all a misunderstanding. They get promoted by arresting people, and many get off on fresh meat like this woman, who is just mortified. She doesn’t even KNOW anybody who has been arrested.

    Learn from Patsy Ramsey and her husband. They knew immediately that they would be suspects in the murder of their daughter. They lawyered up immediately and withstood the firestorms of, “Why are you doing that? What do you have to hide?”

    That was what, fifteen years ago? Patsy is dead from cancer and her husband was never charged. The police walk very carefully around lawyers, but the poor sap who talks to them without one is toast.

    And people wonder why folks want Ron Paul….sheesh….

  12. Sorry Pfesser, but sounds like there was no misunderstanding, she left the baby in the car unattended! Yes, it is inconvenient to get the baby out of the car seat, carry it inside, return, put said child back into car seat…. But that is what the law and society require her to do.

  13. My youngest daughter sent me this today, and told me she is writing in Ron Paul this November. I never pressed her on politics. She makes her own choices. Rarely does her choice disappoint me. She’s trying to wake up everyone in her circle. I don’t know how the eldest daughter is voting. It wouldn’t surprise me if she does the same.

    We’ve never had a candidate win a presidential election as a write in, but plenty have won state primaries that way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate

  14. President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

    A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

    Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.

    Where is the lie?????? This is the quote as found on the NPR transcript.
    People on the pro-O side seem to want to hang their hat on the 2008 thing. If people had any integrity they’d see that Ryan covered that nicely.
    People call folks like me the dummy for buying in2 the spin that there isn’t hidden messages here. I’m not the dumb one.

  15. You didn’t build that. Obama said what he said. i’ll give you that perhaps deep down he didn’t mean it that way but it is still fair to attack it. The truth of the matter is that the stretching folks like Rutherford do as far as the whole “cooperative society” thing is the true lie.
    The USA is NOT a cooperative society. We are not in service to our government nor are we to be entangled in it. Our government is to be: of the people, by the people, for the people
    The USA is not to be a socialist state. The USA isn’t about a feel good all good thing. That liberals have so foresaken liberty is telling. YOU SUCK

  16. The true truth of the 716 billion is that it is neither full dollars funneled away nor a bundle of money that comes from “efficiencies”
    The fact check on this one is incomplete in most cases and biased in others.
    It is a huge number that will inevitably hurt Americans. The canceling out of funding at that level must result in doctors saying bye bye at a min.

  17. @ 22 there was a case here not too long ago almost identical to what you describe. Wrong is wrong and it isn’t about the cops. When other folks stop demanding action by the state to cover personal responsibility there will be a better world. It isn’t the cops on this one. Now if you want to talk about recording cops…..

  18. I’m amazed by you low lifeness in this post R. You are all in. You’ll be having an erection lasting longer than 4 hours when the shitbags hit Charlotte.
    I got to stay away till after that.

  19. I took a criminal law class taught by a notoriously tough judge. This guy was feared. Despite is rep for locking motherfuckers up, he told us the EXACT same thing as Pfessor did. The EXACT same thing.

    Now, as some know here, I practically have a phobia of bad things happening to kids. But, I’m usually a cash man. I sometimes pay for gas with my eye on my truck, my little man locked inside.

    Newt, you are a moron.

    What happened to that woman is tragic.

  20. Pfesser, you have never heard of a carjacking? What would she have done to stop one? Watch it happen? Fuck your mood old man!

  21. Bitter tweeted Clint?

    We used to stack f*cks like Rutherfod 5 feet high. . . use ’em for sandbags.

    What’s a matter with you R? Lighten up. Your dick stroking fest is only days away. Maybe you’ll get Rosie, or Cher, or somebody else that talks your talk. 😆

  22. Where’s President Kardashian tonight? His toadies are bitter tweeting, I see.

    I just read the speakers for the Dim Convention. :twisting: Looks like a casting for the canceled Jersey Shore show. They could round it with out with Tool™ on the stump. Couldn’t be any worse.

    Anybody no the over/under on how many times we’ll here the phrase “tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires” next week?

  23. Newton,

    Pfesser and I go round and round about religion, science, politics sometimes. Hell, we even debated the good and the bad of reefer earlier this week.

    But he and I are almost always in agreement about the simple things in life. You know – like sense. Your scolding of him was your general garden variety idiocy.

    What is the mother to do when steps out of the car to lift the car seat? By your definition, she’s negligent of child abandonment.

    No wonder you’re an Obama rube. Probably a nag too. You’ve got to be Densico. There can’t be two females that vacuous in universe.

  24. I didn’t get to hear the speeches much tonight, as I was caring for my father. Looking bad, I’m afraid. Man, this is an insidious disease. My own dad is down to 110lbs. 110lbs.! Not a fricking doctor on site, as the place meant for rehab. I cleaned a 110lbs. baby tonight. Awful…

    You catch the neuro invasive kind, you’ll wish you were dead.

    But apparently, the speakers were pretty damn good. I did get to see Clint. Make my day! 😆 Pretty funny.

  25. Sounds like Chris Matthews, more attuned to racist dog whistles than the race hustlers like $harpton and Je$$e, is channeling his inner Graychin today. Fricking MSNBC buffoon.

    Noted racial harmony expert Chris Matthews lives in ritzy town with ten whole black people in it.

    http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/08/noted-racial-harmony-expert-chris-matthews-lives-in-ritzy-town-with-ten-blacks-yes-ten/

    Man, what a hypocrite. So Rutherford, still think I’m wrong about the white intellects, and I use that term damn loosely, of MSNBC?

  26. Thanks “R”. You need to go have your digestive enzymes tested, if you already haven’t.

    That would be my suggestion as next step. Meant to tell you that earlier today.

    Clint wasn’t pathetic. I thought he was pretty funny. Wasn’t Dirty Harry, but it was harmless. You forget guys like Eastwood and Duvall are from a time Hollywood wasn’t a complete cesspool.

  27. Brother “R”. It’s over, so you can open your eyes again. Welcome to the new house, where the tornado just blew the living room, the screen is as unhinged as your bitter tweets, and Chaz has been demoted to storm chaser.

    So where’s the big plan? 😀 Going to tax those billionaires and millionaires, leading the middle class into prosperity after they relocate?

    Why’s Hillary bowing out of the big party? She might as well be on Mars, she’s so far away from the orgy next week.

  28. “The irony of this predicament, so thick you could cut it with a knife, is that this is the very tactic used by the Democrats in 2008.”

    Rutherford, I think you covered the issue here quite well by your above statement.
    In the spirit of keeping everything fair and balanced, it is hoped that the media will fact check both party platforms. We certainly did not see enough vetting in 2008.

  29. The whole Eastwood bit was harmless as shit. The rage are the ones that consider it blasphemous to speak ill of their messiah. I thought it was awkward and entertaining. That’s all. R doesn’t seem to “get” the purpose of the convention as he rolls through his MSNBC-grade critiques.

    All in all, the GOP accomplished what it was after and humanized Mitt — a pretty solid guy. R, I know that’s got to be deflating. After all, deep down he’s raaaacist, misogynistic, evil, and rich. You can always go after Ann and her married ass that’s just filled with seething anger under the surface. 😆

    I watched MSNBC to gauge the speeches. The criticism was so petty and BITTER, it looks like they were a success. But hey, they actually aired at least portions of some minorities’ speeches.

    R, where’s the plan? Is everyone going to have a seat at the table? Will you be on the right side of history? Is there a discussion we should be having?

  30. Raji, the woman was ARRESTED for child neglect, just sayin’

    You’re usually pretty level headed. But, damn, I’m sensing a lack of real world empathy, just sayin’.

    If that woman was arrested, every single parent that has ever bought a trampoline for the back yard should be handcuffed.

    We’re talking the mom’s liberty and reputation. Just sayin’.

  31. Oh, the brain trust strikes again. Referring to “Chicago” is racist.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/30/chris_matthews_saying_chicago_is_racist.html

    Did you know Chicago has ” a lot of black people?” Heilman said so. It’s true.

    R, isn’t Matthews the one that is supposed to stand between and idiot and his microphone? Not give a voice to bullshit?

    So I guess we’re going to see another few months of the racism and dog whistles bullshit. 🙄

  32. “[E]very single parent that has ever bought a trampoline for the back yard should be handcuffed.”

    I think you’re on to something. I’ve wondered how that could be legal. Those things are the “widow maker” of suburban neighborhoods.

  33. Just ran across this:

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/lapd-investigates-officers-forceful-stop/story?id=17117761#.UECqVGhSTv0

    When even good people have authority and very little accountability, brutality is inevitable. Don’t get me wrong; I have several good cops as friends and I’m glad THEY are out there patrolling, but this kind of shit is just beyond the pale.

    There are two things the bad cops fear: a man with a gun, and the current prevalence of video cameras. I don’t remember where, but some burg, state or another is trying to outlaw video recording police officers doing their “duties.” Really? Big men with guns? What do THEY have to fear from a camera, recording what they are ACTUALLY doing? I am reminded of the old saw: a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged; a liberal is a conservative who’s been arrested. I have never been arrested, but this kind of manure drives me ’round the bend.

    My old lawyer was a tough, mafia-looking sonofabitch named Tom C. (dead now). He did a lot of criminal law and told me that when he retired he was going to write a book. “I’m going to call it, ‘I’m Scared,'” he said. “And in fact, I’m SO scared, I’m not going to use my real name. TOO MANY GODDAMNED PEOPLE WITH TOO GODDAMNED MUCH AUTHORITY.”

    My favorite quote. Couldn’t agree more.

    ******************

    Jeez, Tex – really, really sorry about your father. I hope that if things cannot end well, they at least end quickly.

  34. Well, DR – the plot thickens. When she stopped, the young lady I mentioned went around to her trunk to put on a different pair of shoes, and saw this dude pull in and park. It’s not like he blundered onto a baby asleep in a carseat. He saw her leave the car and go in and knew how long the baby had been “unattended:” Two, three minutes.

    She told me that he got right in her face, raised his sunglasses (a classic aggressive maneuver) and started lecturing her. (I wonder if he was an off-duty cop? I’m trying to get his name.)

    Wish By God I’d been there. “Sir, are you accosting my wife?” (not my wife, but what the hell). “Did you touch her? Yes you did!” Let the games begin. I am SO pissed about this…

  35. @56 DR: Yes, I’m usually pretty level headed and if some creep was hanging around my car in my face I would take the child in with me and watch my language so I did not incite road rage.
    I would have to see the arrest report because if she did get arrested social services would have been there to put the child in foster care. Parents today really need to bone up on the laws. We have taken all responsibility away from parents at least in the public eye. I’m not saying it’s right but we have let those laws get on the books to protect the few.

  36. For our part we avoid the police at all costs. Their have the power to ruin my existence at THEIR discretion. While I have an appreciation for what they do when doing their actual job, I perceive them as a threat to my way of life. On duty or off duty I do not willingly let them onto my property for any reason, social or business.

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/08/29/whiteclay-fallout-womens-day-of-peace-march-ends-with-arrests-and-youth-being-maced-131881

  37. Years ago a friend of mine was let go from his job because his bosses and coworkers suspected him of drinking on the job. Turned out he had MS. I’ve noticed a certain deliberateness to Ann Romney’s movements which I’ve naturally been attributing to MS.

    Another friend, a woman, who has had MS for a long time looks pretty OK but moves a bit like she’s wearing a suit of armor.

    Maybe that’s what you can’t quite put your finger on Rutherford.

  38. “We all know that Biden is the intellect of the Democratic Party.” ~ Clint Eastwood

    Come on “R” buddy. Even an MSNBC stooge has to admit that’s pretty funny.

  39. I just called my daughter and asked her if she had ever left her child in the car to run into a store. She said no “it is against the law to leave a child unattended in a vehicle”. End of subject.

  40. Gorilla, close enough for visiting. I do have a daughter who lives there. At one time I was about an hour and a half away but now it’s a two and a half hour drive.

  41. She said no “it is against the law to leave a child unattended in a vehicle”. End of subject.

    Well, if she ran in to do her grocery shopping, or went into the mall to buy a dress, or parked the car to play a round of golf with the baby left in the car, sure. Let’s be reasonable here.

    Pfesser’s example is no different than walking into pay for gas at a convenience store. That’s not leaving a child unattended.

  42. The media, naturally, is furious. They don’t like to see Their Precious One mocked and they also understand the power of mockery — which is why they keep Stewart and Colbert on such a tight leash. This is why the media has already written 25 stories (5 from Politico) mocking Eastwood.

    Had Eastwood said the things the media likes to hear with the same nervousness and hesitation, they would’ve called him wizened and seasoned. But because he mocked Their Precious One, suddenly he’s some kind of embarrassment.

    And now Politico, Ben Smith and CNN are all talking about how they intend to use Eastwood as way to overwhelm Mitt Romney’s speech in the coming days.

    Like they wouldn’t have found another reason.

    All I can say in response is: Go to hell you Obama-shilling crybabies. [Amen! T.Taylor] Eastwood showed more grit and honestly in those few minutes than you water carriers have during your entire propaganda-for-the-collective careers.

    What Eastwood did tonight was funnier, fresher, edgier, and braver than anything those comedy cowards Chris Rock, Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert have done in 15 years.

    82 years-old, and Dirty Harry is still pissing all the right people off.

    My hero. ~ John Nolte

    Beautiful, man! Clever too. The Bambi sycophants are so pissed at Dirty Harry, they can’t even take the time to make up lies about Romney. I love the smell of napalm in the morning!” 😀

  43. “I just called my daughter and asked her if she had ever left her child in the car to run into a store. She said no “it is against the law to leave a child unattended in a vehicle”. End of subject.”

    Piss off. It may be the end of subject for YOU, sweetheart, but you do NOT speak for all humanity, and you sure as hell do not speak for me.

    There IS such a thing, in this totalitarian little gulag we call the United States of America, for a little common sense, though nowadays we see little of it. Case in point.

    By the way, did I say, Piss Off?

  44. “Maybe that’s what you can’t quite put your finger on Rutherford.”

    No. He can’t put his finger on the remote control and get away from the hate-spewing MSNBC brain trust. There ain’t a damn thing wrong with Ann Romney.

  45. The government today announced that it is changing our national symbol to the condom because it more accurately reflects the government’s political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you’re actually being screwed.

  46. Social Services ever try to take my child and put him in foster care for putting gas in my car, I will put that social working in a swinging full nelson until he or she barfs.

  47. I’m wondering if Mrs. Rutherford isn’t still under the weather…

    Pfesser, I would have one big complaint about your upwardly mobile yuppie mother. I agree with you this is gestapo tactics and for the most part, police are bullies with a badge.

    I’m with Rabbit. Two cops show up at my door for my kids, I’ll be in prison for a shootout with two cops.

    However, this women, while obviously fit to be a mother, should be outwardly and openly harangued for attending Four Bucks to buy burnt coffee.

    Tell her I said to get that child to a Dunkin Donuts next time.

  48. Being a piece of white trash myself, I never considered myself much of a connoisseur of anything, ‘cept one – good coffee. Love the stuff.

    I’m not kidding when I tell you that after drinking some of the finest coffees money can buy (we’ll bitch about $9.00 movies but think nothing of paying $15.00 for a pound of coffee 😀 ), Four Bucks coffee is worse than most of those road house coffees with the burnt pots.

    I’ll bet I could dig up some dirt and run a pot through it and it would taste better than some of that dirt weed I’ve had at Four Bucks.

  49. Rutherford, I hate to pile on after a bad personal week, but man….

    The fear… it burns. You loons are picking John Kerry to usher in President Choom at the convention?

    Oh yeah, that will draw them in.

    Get a pantload of this statement. This is great stuff.

    “Barack Obama has been a tremendous leader who has moved our country forward in more ways than we even probably now realize.” Kerry said.

    😆 😆 Damn, that’s straight out of the jobs saved playbook.

    The Bomba is so good, so smooth that we don’t even realize yet! Bring on that 3rd Recovery Summer.

  50. “…good coffee. Love the stuff.”

    Nooo. Is there nothing that we can disagree upon?

    I can’t drink Starbucks.

    This cafe (and beans for the home brew) is unbeatable – http://www.lacolombe.com/

    #2. Lavazza – Excellent. Expensive. Even the dark roasts are not bitter.
    #3. Caribou Coffee – Quite good. Good for the home bean.
    #4. Seattle’s Best – Acceptable. A little less so since Starbucks bought them out to contain distribution.
    #5. Dunkin Donuts – Great morning coffee

  51. She proved she can handle the job of being first lady.

    This from the prior thread from our talented analyst El Tigre. So one speech proved that hey?

    Short of a completely heartless, tactless, socially inept woman, any woman is “qualified” to be First Lady. The main qualification is support a cause and don’t say anything stupid. (All responses to this, dissing Michelle Obama will be ignored.)

    To you and Muffy from the prior thread, this is the bottom line. We like who we like. When I first saw Ann Romney I said “ok, let’s see some more”. Now that I’ve seen more, I don’t like her, Period. It’s not mommy issues, it’s not “effeminate”. I don’t get a positive vibe. You like her. I don’t. Period.

    Explaining to you why I don’t like her, is like explaining why I don’t like coffee. It’s a f*cking waste of time.

    P.S. As for not liking “women”, particularly GOP women, I like BOTH GOP FLOTUSes, Barbara and Laura. I felt Nancy Reagan was a bit of a nutjob. I never particularly warmed up to Rosalynn Carter.

    And bottom line … it doesn’t really matter cos they don’t run the country.

  52. “Pfesser’s example is no different than walking into pay for gas at a convenience store. That’s not leaving a child unattended.”

    According to the law that is an unattended child.

    PF I did not say anything about common sense and I’m certainly not speaking for you.
    I went to the trouble to find out exactly what the law stated not whether it was right or wrong.

    Don’t kill the messenger. If a lawyer stated the same fact would you tell the lawyer to piss off?

  53. Over in Kona, we drank Kona. Even that was a dollar cheaper than Four Bucks for a bottomless cup. I can’t believe people willingly pay for that dirt.

    But the Kona was mere token compared to Java Dave’s Hawaiian Hazelnut. A large cup of Dave’s with one of their massive M&M cookies is like a little piece of heaven.

    Our entire married life revolves around two grown kids, a mutt and “Where yah want to eat?” 🙂

  54. “And bottom line … it doesn’t really matter cos they don’t run the country.”

    Not so sure you can say that about Nancy Reagan 😉

  55. According to the law that is an unattended child.

    Maybe so. If so, that ranks up there with illegal whale hunting in Oklahoma then.

    But where I live, 99.9% of the working adults just laughed at the law. Perhaps that explains why as a state, our final 2008 county vote tally was:

    McCain 77
    Bongo 0

  56. Explaining why you believe something is the point here Rutherford. You DONT explain it because you know you argue from emotion and not facts or truth. Period.

    I was reading a neuroscience article and stumbled onto an interesting paragraph. I think it is very relevant to Rutherford of late.

    “I am confident that conservatives may react to fear differently than liberals. As indicated in the second study, conservatives look toward fear while liberals look away (14). This may be somewhat related to the higher ratio of conservatives to liberals among our armed servicemen and women—those whose job it is to run toward dangerous, fear-inducing conflict rather than away. Is this tendency to focus on sources of fear a weakness?”

  57. Regarding Kaus, I find it hard to swallow anything in Tucker Carlson’s rag.

    The article proved nothing. It is a cynic’s view of Nevada’s motives. My glass-half-full interpretation is that Nevada has found some families sufficiently dysfunctional that the current policies do not get them back on their feet. The request was flexibility to allow these families to remove barriers to training and employment.

    So yes, the waiver policy gives cynics and snarky pricks like Tucker Carlson an opening.

    Congrats on proving that Romney is not lying. 🙄

  58. R says Walker got shredded by the MSNBC brain trust on the GM Janesville plant closing? What the fuck? He made them look like idiots.

    You have proven time and time again you have odd perception problems. I’d love to be in a room with you during a Rorschach test.

    Ryan lied … Walker supported the lie, got snagged on it and babbled.

    Once the campaign stops lying maybe we can really discuss serious issues.

  59. PF if this occurred in VA (I’m assuming since you stated Fairfax) your friend needs a lawyer.There seems to be some fishiness here.
    Fairfax county has some guidelines but the states general child welfare laws are used since no specific law exists.
    It seems pretty bizarre that the PD did the initial investigation also.

  60. R, speaking of simple lies…

    Obama Campaign Blatantly Plants Question In Reddit Interview…

    Profile created mere minutes after the AMA was announced, and literally six seconds before asking a well written, paragraph long question (approximate typing speed assuming it was typed after creating the account? 1570 wpm)

    Created a profile 5 minutes 39 seconds after the AMA going live, when servers were having a fit.

    Asked question explicitly requesting ways to recruit the youth that Obama relied on last election (many of whom are disillusioned with him, for all the reasons she presents herself as being subject to)

    Is literally only 1 of 10 questions answered.

    Asked by one hmlee who (according to some internet detective work): has only one comment in her history, total; Posted a blog entry supporting Obama; Lists herself as working/having worked as an intern at the Department of Justice

    So, is it possible that she heard about it on her own, created an account, and typed up an eloquent question that is a PR man’s wet dream all within less than 6 minutes? Yes, it’s possible. It’s just not particularly likely.

  61. ps to pf just so I don’t get told to piss off too.
    Either you’re not getting the full story or the guy in the sunnies painted a far more serious thing. that should help your friends defense.

  62. I know.

    The argument that Paul Ryan “lied’ or “misrepresented” the closing of the Janesville GM plant is not even colorable.

    Here is what the President said:

    “And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president.” (emphasis supplied.)
    Here is what Ryan said:

    “My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

    “A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.” (emphasis supplied.)
    Let’s make a few observations that seem to have eluded Ryan’s critics.

    First, Ryan does not “characterize” or “insinuate” anything about what the President said. He quoted him.

    Second, while Ryan did not say that this constituted a “promise” to keep the plant open, the workers in Janesville might have reasonably understood it that way. The clear implication of Obama’s words is that he would bring the government’s resources to bear to retool plants like Janesville and that this would keep such plants – including this particular one – open.

    Ryan’s critics want to argue that the workers should have understand a jesuitical distinction. The President, they argue, only said that “if the government provided resources to the plant, then it would be open for a hundred years.'” He never said that he actually would do what he said he could do.

    It was just a law professor’s hypothetical, you see, an academic discussion with a group of people about to lost their jobs. Obama was saying that “we can help you” but bot that “you can expect that we will.”

    If that’s what candidate Obama meant, then he is the one who misrepresented his intentions and mislead the Janesville workers. To suggest that Obama did not intend to imply anything about the Janesville plant beggars reality. That he has now been hoisted on his own petard is a product of his own doing.

    But let’s give him the benefit of what seems to be a rather infinitesimal doubt. Ryan did not say that Obama “promised” to keep the plant open, but only that he told voters that the resources of government could be used to keep plants like Janesville and keep them open. In Ryan’s view (and he’s got the numbers), that hasn’t happened. The President has not brought those resources to bear or, if he has, it hasn’t worked. The Janesville plant is closed as are many similarly situated plants across the country.

    But what about the fact that this plant closure was announced before Obama took office? That is not relevant to Ryan’s critique. Obama was arguing that government could retool plants and keep them operational. That didn’t happen.

    Beyond that, this criticism of Ryan’s remarks is cynical and deceptive. Obama knew – everyone knew – the the Janesville plant was on the chopping block. That’s why Obama made his remarks. If he thought it was too late to save this plant and keep it open for “a hundred years,” why say anything at all?

    The plant closed in April 2009. When that happened and for 18 months thereafter, the President of the United States, not only had strong majorities in the Congress. Not only that, the federal govenment run by the President, also soon came to own a controlling interest in GM. Couldn’t the government have retooled the shuttered plant that it now owned as the candidate told the people of Janesville it could do?

  63. Yeah R. I am the one with perception problems. 🙄

    Let me know when you want to have a serious discussion. Right now you’re just sucking your thumb trying to avoid addressing the nonexistent “plan” you promised. You haven’t made a valid point in days.

  64. “Once the campaign stops lying maybe we can really discuss serious issues.”

    I see.

    Rutherford, you’re impervious to argument. I picture you with your fingers in your ears going “lalalalala.” You’ve gone off the deep end since Ryan was announced as VP pick.

  65. Remember when the Dems went after Bush for flying around New Orleans during Katrina instead of landing? Bush’s excuse was that the amount of resources that go into a Presidential visit would have been much better served on the ground helping the people. In other words, landing would have caused a lot more problems than it would have helped. Regardless, that was his reasoning.

    Obama’s reasoning, not nearly as good…

    President Barack Obama, who in 2005 criticized then-President George Bush for not exhibiting a “greater sense of empathy” toward the victims of Hurricane Katrina, told a campaign crowd at the University of Virginia on Wednesday afternoon–as people in Louisiana were dealing with what the National Hurricane Center called “life-threatening hazards” caused by Hurricane Isaac–that he had discussed the hurricane on the telephone from Air Force One as he was flying East from a previous campaign event in Colorado.

    “Hello, Virginia! Go, Hoos! Wahoowah!” Obama said to raucous cheers in the high-spirited opening to his speech at UVA. “I still don’t know what a Wahoo is. But I know we’ve got some here today.”

    In 2005, in the wake of Katrina, Obama had called for a government that was “more serious, more somber” in dealing with both crises like hurricanes and what he called “systemic problems.”

    Class act R. I mean really, a class act….

  66. Once the campaign stops lying maybe we can really discuss serious issues.

    Damn brother, we went through this yesterday. You’re either out of the loop, or now working with the spinmeisters at Bozo Central.

    #13….I’ll save you the problem of moving up. Please note the dates.

    Uh oh! Another 4 Baghdad Bobs for Rutherford, Erza “Journolist” Klein and Sergeant Schultz of MSNBC infamy:

    FACT CHECK: Obama promised and failed to keep Janesville GM plant open

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2506462#.UD_D2JZEs4L

  67. Every have that guy that always thought he was right about something, and rarely or never admitted he was wrong? Ever wonder what would it be like if you cornered him and put him on the spot to prove what he believes, and he found out he was wrong, while simultaneously not being able to admit any fault?

    I present to you the Rutherford Lawson Blog. Now you know.

  68. Conn Carroll of The Washington Examiner neglects to give any numbers in his partisan hack job. 1200 employees were laid off from the Janesville plant before Obama took office leaving about 50 to get laid off during Obama’s term. For the mathematically challenged that’s 96% of the plant’s employees gone before Obama said “So help me God”.

    Notice I didn’t even include this lie in this article. I should have.

    And to those who believe the lies I DID highlight in this article, it’s called mental retardation. Google it. 😐

    http://www.rrstar.com/news/x1060484339/Ohio-Janesville-GM-closings-leave-nearly-2-300-unemployed?zc_p=0

    http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/apr/21/thursday-last-day-production-isuzu-line-comes-end/

  69. As for the “gluttony commandment” I had a brain fart. I was thinking of the seven deadly sins.

    Taken a look at Sergeant Schultz, Bulbous Matthews, or Keith Oozerman lately? That’s Christie country, my man.

    Weasel words, Rutherford. Weaseling out from the clear record of failure of the Obama Administration. Like Clint said, “We gotta cut them loose….”

    ————

    As for GM and its success…..IT FAILED, a government boondoggle tying the consumers (taxpayers) with another $25-35 BILLION in debt that we won’t ever get back.

    That’s called playing loose with taxpayer money to buy a vote and appeasing the corrupt unions, Rutherford. And there is no denying, no matter how you wish to spin, that OBAMA was the instigator of the GM BAILOUT that has proven a FAILURE.

    Damn, you’re starting to sound just like those weasels you listen to. Is that really how you want to be remembered?

  70. Where is the blog on the plan, cowardly lion.

    What makes a king out of a slave? Courage.
    What makes the flag on the mast to wave? Courage.
    What makes the elephant charge his tusk
    In the misty mist or the dusky dusk?
    What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage.
    What makes the Sphinx the seventh wonder? Courage.
    What makes the dawn come up like thunder? Courage.
    What makes the Hottentot so hot?
    What puts the ape in apricot?
    What do they got that I ain’t got? COURAGE.

  71. Is there any doubt as to why we loath this idiot? Your hero R… Pathetic – him and you…

    Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Who cares where Matthews lives. What he’s seen is reality. Most people want to work and provide for themselves. Simple as that.

  72. Noah where did you source your jobs-created figures for recent Presidents? The Obama campaign quotes 4.5 million jobs created. I think you posted 0.1 million. Why the difference?

  73. Pfesser, I’m responding to this without having first read the full discussion on the thread so forgive me if I miss a point.

    I have read too many accounts of women leaving their babies in cars and tragedy ensuing. I’m sorry your friend got arrested and I understand your advice about the police (sounds like good advice) but she DID endanger her baby. Some psycho could’ve broken a window and stolen the kid, or broken a window, hot wired the car (which from what I understand can be done very quickly if you know what you’re doing) and driven off with the kid.

    Very simple rule …. you NEVER leave your child alone in a car. Sorry PF, your friend took a chance she shouldn’t have taken and got snagged for it. I hope the legal system has mercy on her and I hope the lesson she learns is NOT don’t talk to the police but rather DON’T LEAVE YOUR BABY IN A FRIGGIN’ CAR.

  74. “Short of a completely heartless, tactless, socially inept woman, any woman is “qualified” to be First Lady.”

    I’d say not detract from her husband’s stature and message. Something a lefty twat-waffle like Teresa Kerry is incapable of. But you’re not far off and I guess agree Ann passed a test that doesn’t require much.

    Oh, except that you see something more sinister. . . 🙄

    Glad you’re satisfied with your catty Real Housewives observations. Sorry no one else is taking them seriously. Maybe if you would engage substantive issues instead of pouting in the corner you wouldn’t take so much flak. Of course you know that because of your keen perception. 🙄

    (p.s. you still haven’t figured out the Ryan/Walker/Janesville thing — but of course that’s deliberate)

  75. Poolman, get used to saying one of two things: President Mitt Romney or President Barack Obama. If you want to repeat a name that MIGHT have future relevance, feel free to keep repeating Rand Paul.

    Ron’s mission is over. He’s done.

  76. You didn’t build that. Obama said what he said. i’ll give you that perhaps deep down he didn’t mean it that way but it is still fair to attack it.

    Alfie this one REALLY gets my undies in a knot. The “THAT” that you didn’t build was roads and infrastructure. He NEVER FUC*ING SAID THAT YOU DIDN’T BUILD YOUR OWN BUSINESS. HE NEVER NEVER NEVER SAID IT.

    Stop the bullsh*t.

  77. Ryan was mocking Obama for even broaching the subject of the sea level. Obama is now a officially a joke.

    The malignant narcissism of some twat waffle thinking himself so grand that he can control the climate and calm the seas was so outrageous, Choom should be mocked for the remainder of his days.

    What does that say of the character that people that genuflected before this clown? You ought to know…

    One other thing. If Obama has truly employed 4.5 million more people, please explain this math major. Even you ought to be able to see an outrageous lie:

    Take a real good look at your 30 year low labor force participation rates:

    http://www.jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=8e2a72d0-1cd6-4844-862f-3314ef0e73ad

  78. I’m amazed by you low lifeness in this post R. You are all in.

    On this we clearly will have to agree to disagree. I saw an interview with Mike Dukakis the other day that put Romney’s one term in perspective. The one thing that stood out was he left Massachusetts infrastructure in a shambles.

    I’m amazed that you, having lived through Romney, up close and personal have such a … how did you put it .. “all in” position on him. Romney ended a 16 year reign of Republican governors for the state. I wonder why that is?

  79. hello, everyone! Tex: I apologize, but can you tell me where Mr. Obama said that? I know it is often stated, but it’s such a weird thing that I am wondering.

    I very much enjoyed Mrs. Romney’s speech and thought she was outstanding. My favorite was Dr. Rice–by miles. I do not know why they allowed the Gingriches to speak and thought they were awful. And I did not enjoy Mr. Eastwood, although my discomfort may well be due to problems with elderly family members who have since passed away.

    Hope that everyone has a wonderful long weekend.

  80. Piss off, Newt. I am in no mood to put up with a supercilious gasbag tonight.

    Sorry PF … I’m with Newt on this one. Your friend ain’t evil. She’s not a criminal. And I’m sure she loves her baby more than life itself. But she made a mistake in judgment. Plain and simple dude.

  81. Clint rocks!

    That was fun.

    What planet do you live on?

    This is how the “talking to a silent partner” schtick is done.

    Let’s completely put aside the fact that Eastwood insulted the President. Let’s have a sense of humor (ho ho ho). The fact is he didn’t execute very well. He looked doddering. His timing sucked.

    If an 82 year old liberal actor had done the same level of “performance” dissing Bush (or Romney) you would have called it pathetic.

    You know Clint was an embarrassment. You’re so robotic and predictable in your partisan bullsh*t it’s just sad.

    We won’t even get into the fact that Romney’s team totally mismanaged this. We have Clint being a doddering assh*le in PRIMETIME when the RNC could have shown that excellent Romney bio video in primetime instead.

    You fail to understand those on the fence need to know Mitt is a human being, Your party blew it last night …. as usual.

    If Mitt wins in November it will be in spite of his handlers not because of them.

  82. By the way, I agree with Rutherford on the “you didn’t build it” stuff. I really wish that both parties could stick with the issues and not resort to cheap things like that.

  83. He insulted the president. Oh that must have really hurt. 😆

    R, you’re so robotic and predictable in your partisan bullsh*t it’s just sad. The RNC was total disaster. Ann is now disliked, Eastwood scored no points, and Romney is behind because of it. So you won’t be voting for Romney now? 🙄

  84. R, Tingles said he lived in DC. He doesn’t. The plant was closed in 2009, not 2008.

    You don’t get to fudge some facts and hold strictly to others because it fits your narrative.

    Tingles knows Jack and Shit about being both Poor and Black. You know that your arguments fail pretty much EVERY logical test, right?

  85. You were one of the loudest in criticizing Bush for Katrina. I can remember many chats where you flew off the handle at his failure, ignoring of course the failures of the Governor and the Mayor, being lib dems and all, but I digress.

    Where’s the outrage now?

    By the time Barack Obama visits the place in Louisiana where Hurricane Isaac hit on September 3, he will have made 7 campaign stops and held 8 campaign events since the storm first made landfall.

    He’s your man. You support him, so you defend him…

  86. @ rutherford 121. Yeah I remember you bringing up the dooks piece. Seems to me the 16 years of GOP governors especially William Welds time cleaned up that which dookie fucked all up.
    As for the infrastructure being in shambles you can blame that on whomever you like but you must slap that brush a few times on the states overwhelming (D) machine.
    A) when did I ever claim anything positive about the Big Dig?
    B) you know Obama Lite Deval Patrick ran against Healey not Romney right? It is sad as Healey was a superior candidate,but after almost two decades MA went deep blue goo. Let’s see who replaces Patrick,my guess it’ll be Warren (D) or Baker (R)

  87. Not so sure you can say that about Nancy Reagan

    Ain’t that the truth! I guess you’d better not tell the guys, they think Reagan a man’s man. 😉

  88. But where I live, 99.9% of the working adults just laughed at the law.

    I noticed that with the OK GOP delegation. Rules? We don’t follow stinkin’ rules!

  89. Alfie, if you can’t discern that Ryan was blaming Obama for not saving the plant, then I can’t help you.

    Oh shit?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    mmm let’s move the pieces shall we?
    Listen my position is and has been about there being a LIE. I do indeed DISCERN Ryans intent and fully agree with it. I was willing to leave that part alone.
    So lets be totally freaking crystal clear on the whole thing re Obama.
    Obama undeniably gave out a message of HOPE that the pending closure might CHANGE with an Obama Administration. The truth is this is an even bigger lie than Ryan has been falsely claimed to have made.
    The Obama Administration was and is well documented about what types of cars it supports and it isn’t the SUV’s made at Janesville. From a policy standpoint the Obama Administration was destined to applaud the closure of an old and inefficient plant that built gas guzzlers. It is one of the sweet ironies of his directing the receivership of GM. The GM “miracle” which was all about SIAC in China,as we’ve discussed ad nauseam,did have an initial domestic bump. It was domestic SUV and pick up sales with Cash for Clunkers $’s.
    So Ryan didn’t lie. Walker didn’t lie. Ryan specifically cited that the plant was closing pre-O. What he has homed in on though is that Mr Hope & Change did indeed drop an egg in WI.
    If you can’t discern that then I can’t help you.

  90. Rutherford, I see you posted the Cowardly Lion. Well, my yellow brick road just became worth some more fiat. If Ben prints in September, is the debate about Obama’s recovery pretty much over? Forget talking points, conventions, ads. Doesn’t more QE speak for itself? For shits sake, man. They are printing on the even of the damn election. Case closed.

  91. Once the campaign stops lying maybe we can really discuss serious issues.

    You’d have to staple mouths shut. If any open them and words come out, they’re gonna be lies. They got NOTHING else.

  92. Related to the Janesville plant closing any one of you could have done a better job of defending Ryan than GOP strategist John Feehery tonight on Hardball who said the plant closed on 2008. LOL even your own guys don’t do their homework.

  93. @ G 102 Don’t know where you heard it but I sincerely doubt it. I’ve checked an official Congressional report as well as perused NALEO National Assoc. Lat Am Elected Officials. The party affil at all levels of government breaks down like this 1 no party head and shoulders first. 2 Dems 3 R
    The R’s have been creditied though with initiating more recruiting and narrowing the gap.

  94. poolman not to get off the beaten path but I have to point blank ask you this. In a race where the popular vote is nowhere close how is it right to go the delegate route? I could buy in2 it if it was close and all that but really….help me out

  95. I guess I never knew Clint was a sellout until last night. Really hate to see him like that. I’ve always had a respect for the man. Maybe I’ll fuzz it out of my mind and pin it on possible dementia.

  96. “What is the mother to do when steps out of the car to lift the car seat? By your definition, she’s negligent of child abandonment.”

    Profoundly stupid.

    Newt ignore Tex. He doesn’t like your politics so he dismisses whatever you say. This is the same Tex who lambasted Pfesser for getting his niece an abortion behind his brothers back. Tex is damn selective about when it is cool to endanger a child.

  97. poolman not to get off the beaten path but I have to point blank ask you this.

    You see, popular vote is a deceptive notion. If popular ruled the day, we would not be fighting ANY wars. Period. Popular is what the media tells you it is. And you, along with the democrats all buy it.

    Until that changes, we can talk till we’re both blue in the face and nothing we say will matter. Nothing changes.

    Ron Paul is/was a threat to status quo, and the media did what it could to marginalize him and not cover his message. You can call him anything you want, but the bottom line is both sides fear and respect him. The man just is too honest and unmoving in his stand for liberty and the constitution.

    A real statesman. He’s still got my vote. And there are mounting others that are going to be doing the same thing. Writing him in.

  98. That baby was put in no harm. The odds of a car jacking in broad daylight are dwarfed by the odds of a child choking on grapes or getting killed on a swing set. Irrational. If anything, the heat would be the greatest concern. Or someone freaking out that the baby was in there too long. If you guys think its proper or even possible for the police to enforce all laws in all situations, no matter the circumstance, you are naive. Just ask a cop. This should have been squashed. The conversation with police would have been enough of a deterrence to last a life time. To hand cuff this women and possibly risk losing her kid is fucking stupid.

    In other news, I did something stupid already at work. This fruity left wing science teacher corrected my grammar (good vs. well) in front of the staff. Now, I just don’t like the guy. But, I’m still not sure why I was so thin skinned. I waited until all three hours of meetings were over and cornered the shemp in the hall way. I calmly asked him if he would like me to help him through out the year on his lisp. You should have seen the horror on his face. Fuck him.

  99. We’ve had people arrested for leaving their infants in cars while running in to the store. Sometimes they leave the car running and the ac on. They do it with pets, too. Not all seem irresponsible, but we have had some deaths as a result.

    The tragic ones are the babies people forgot and left in cars. How the hell do you forget a baby? People, get off the fucking virtual devices. You only think you can multi-task. Sheesh. Stupid humans!

    It’s called priorities. They’re upside down!

  100. Hey Rutherford just so you know….
    I didn’t find Mitt’s speech to be all that good. I’d give it an A for Adequate. I think his speech was a little too choppy so the one liners that spoke to folks got lost. A prime example being the part about the roses and his dad dying. Obama or Clinton wouldn’t have muffed that one.
    All in all though the “prime time” speeches were pretty good. They were on target and task and in many cases highlighted some of the future talent. (Christie,Rubio,Martinez & Ryan to name a few)
    The planks everyone wanted to wonk on and on about are stacked neatly in the corner until 2016,Now R&R can get ready for the end run.
    Charlotte event will be stroked by the msm and msnbc won’t pull away from any inconvenient truths for that one,I guarantee that. Still liking my wager though.

  101. I’ll say this about Eastwood. The GOP saw an old guy ad lib from the heart. Biden and Wassername will bungle worse WITH the teleprompter and all. Too bad Teddy is deaddy or he could do like he did back in Boston calling Barack OBL.
    Old people….respect the elders,just don’t let them drive

  102. “but she DID endanger her baby. Some psycho could’ve broken a window and stolen the kid, or broken a window, hot wired the car (which from what I understand can be done very quickly if you know what you’re doing) and driven off with the kid.”

    Absolute nonsense. Think about it for a minute. It’s a cloudy day, ‘seventies. This is a new BMW, filled with air-conditioned cool air. The baby is asleep. She steps out of the car, locks it, and walks forty feet to go inside, with the car and child in sight at all times. The car is LOCKED.

    Stolen the kid? Firstly, why do that unless you want ransom, know the parents are rich, and who they are. This is a stranger to you. Secondly, if you wanted to do that, it would be trivially easier to simply rip the kid from the mom’s hand as they walk across the parking lot than to try to break in the car.

    Hot wire? Where you been, bro? I’ll give you my Mac if you can hot wire ANY car newer than about 1995.

    Drive off with the kid? Why do that? If you want to do that, you just point a gun at the mom as she is unloading the baby (that’s what you want her to do, isn’t it?) so you can get the key and avoid all that smashing stuff.

    Endanger? What is more dangerous, leaving a sleeping two year-old in a cool, air-conditioned, LOCKED car that you can see at all times, or waking her up and walking a cranky, pissed-off, sleepy kid across a busy parking lot full of crazy DC drivers?

    Honestly, R. You really have experience raising kids?

  103. I can’t help thinking that if your remarks @#125 were true – or even that you believed it yourself, Rutherford – that you would not be nearly as cranked as you are over it. I would think you’d be at least somewhat gleeful, as you were with Akins remarks. You’re PO’d because the GOP blew it for Romney?

  104. re 153, lol. That was a good rebuttal, Newt. I noticed the RNC doesn’t do styro-foam columns like Tex is so fond of. They prefer pyramid, polygons, and cubes. Interesting.

    This one shows how diverse Mitt can be. He is right and left. He’s everywhere at once. It’s R omnipresence.

  105. Newt, I don’t recommend you do anything with Clint’s ass, I do believe even at the ripe of age of 82 you would be beneath his standards.

    For the so called compassionate party, you guys sure are being harsh to a legend of the golden screen. He is 82 years old. Rutherford, he was 10 times more eloquent than you could hope to be on your show. At least the man had the balls to stand up in front of God and everyone and speak his mind, not that any of you Leftist cowards would understand what that is like. Cut the man some slack.

  106. I’d rather remember Clint apart from this last performance, Noah. Sorry. I want to keep him in higher regard. As for ‘speaking his mind’, I don’t think anyone was able to do that. The parameters were set and words scripted so everyone was on message. Surprised they didn’t just Milli Vanilli the whole thing. Or, maybe they did. Hmmmmm…

  107. I personally think Clint worked the crowd in the hall, got laughs, but whoever thought it would be a good idea that his stand up act appear before a national audience missed the mark. What are we talking about today? Nothing really wrong with a few things just for fun aimed at the convention delegates. Ain’t anything Mitt said!
    Look Pfesser, your friend will be fined and she will have to attend parenting classes. Next time she wants to pick up a latte, she will do so before she picks up her child from daycare. This is a very standard law in every state in the Union, nobody gives a damn about her husband’s income or what kind of car she drives. She was an idiot, don’t encourage her to remain one. Just thank goodness, nothing bad happened to the child, if it had, she would end up serving hard time. Get over it.

  108. Fuck that Noah. This is no country for old men. Dirty Hairy stood up and rambled. Did I like the parts that were coherent? Of course. I’m partisan. Hell, given the climate he comes from, I respect Clint’s courage. I guess. I know if I make it to 80 I’m not going to give a flying fuck if my opinion bothers anyone. I even think it’s cool he didn’t fancy himself another politician and free styled. Come on. It was funny, but hollow. Rutherford and Newt don’t have to give him a break because he is a legend in the realm of modern puppet shows. He threw himself out there unprepared as fuck. They don’t have to give him a pass because he is Hollywood no more then we have to give one to all these pseudo comedian wolves in liberal sheep clothing, hiding behind every nasty barb as entertainment. I liked seeing a Hollywood heavyweight dish out some of the left’s own medicine. Doesn’t mean the medicine is some how more noble. Save the poor Clint Eastwood shit. He can take care of himself.

  109. Noah @157, agreed.

    I would add that I thought the remarks on Russia and Iran were appropriate from both a international and domestic political perspective.

    Obama’s hideously naive and failed Iran policy makes it ripe for comment, and his throwing Israel under the bus is also worthy of comment on the merits and for domestic political reasons. Same thing with Russia. The reset policy has been a disaster – just what you would expect when you send a 7th grade girl with unicorns and rainbows on her notebook cover to negotiate with a KGB assassin.

    Clint was certainly unusual and offbeat, but was actually quite amusing. He should have looked at the chair and said “Right turn, Clyde.” (Every Which Way But Loose reference) but that would have been raaacist.

    Clint delivered several take away lines I think you’ll here for years, especially “We own this place, they are our employees. When somebody doesn’t do the job, you gotta let ’em go.”

    Reminders. There was the reference to the brilliant plan to try terrorists in NYC. Obama’s disdain for half of his constituency — “shut up” and “go fuck yourself.” Biden being his party’s intellectual.

    What R apparently doesn’t understand is that the RNC is intended to broaden the base of support and motivate action. The republican party has been accused by its opponents of being exclusive, not inclusive. A range of speakers for all segments, embracing women’s concerns etc. was a target that was hit.

    A big, big focus of the entire convention was wooing people who voted for Obama last time but are having second thoughts this time. I thought it was well pitched throughout to reach those voters.

    I also thought that all the minority success stories that reaffirm the American Dream were very, very well directed to broaden the base and make it safe for minorities to vote Republican. The governor of New Mexico and Rubio were especially effective at that. Rubio is a star. His passion and more particularly his delivery – the tone, the tenor, the rhythm, the body language, the eyes and appearance and most especially the content all combine into a tremendous, tremendous presentation and political talent.

    Gotta wonder why R’s so sour if the RNC was ineffective. He should be celebrating, but he’s not. With good reason.

  110. Where I come from we respect our elders. Clint has done a lot of good in this world and I will not apologize for standing up for him. PERIOD! Sell him down the river if you like, guess I am just loyal like that.

    Newt, I was entertained, I could get passed his failings due to age. I think the convention was better for having him there.

  111. Newt, if the guy who wrote Freakanomics could statistically prove the child would be more at risk getting out of the car, would the woman still be an idiot? Assuming Pfessor’s description of how it went down is true, what reasonable danger was the kid ever in? Um um what if someone broke into the car, hot wired it and stole the baby. Are you serious? Following your logic and considering all the nasty things that are within the realm of possibilities, the chick should have also been arrested for taking the baby into Starbucks. After all, the place could have been targeted by some raving lunatic.

  112. I’m not selling him down the river at all. As Tigre reminded me, he even made some solid points. What bothers me is that you expect a guy who chose to stand up at a political convention to be shielded from a partisan counter punch because of his age and awesome movies. Weak. Harry Reid is your elder too. Half the Senate. Are they off limits as well? Where I come from, you treat everyone on the court as players.

  113. It’s unsafe to take babies out in public. You know how many people are killed in car wrecks alone? It’s crazy. Way more than kidnappings. How about vaccines and medications? Plenty more killed than by kidnappings. This world is unsafe for little humans and big ones alike. Make your coffee at home, it’s way better than starbucks. A lot cheaper too.

  114. “Many of you felt that way on Election Day four years ago. Hope and change had a powerful appeal. But tonight I’d ask a simple question: If you felt that excitement when you voted for Barack Obama, shouldn’t you feel that way now that he’s President Obama? You know there’s something wrong with the kind of job he’s done as president when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him.”

    Damn skippy.

  115. Noah, you’re not standing up for him. Your shielding him. I’m not sure I’m articulating myself very well. What I’m trying to say is defend what he said and how he said it. It was funny. At times on the money. I bet he’d be the first to say “bring it on, fuck my age or legacy”. I cant stand to see people enter the fray and then immediately get elevated above it. It’s what the bastards on the left always try to pull.

  116. DR, you know, Clint’s whole bit was 11 minutes. That’s it. I liked it and thought he was funny. You didn’t and that’s cool. In any event, he sure as shit didn’t hurt the GOP of Mitt and fired up a large part of the delegation. It’s the liberal left that’s all fucked over Clint’s routine.

    No matter what R says, the over-the-top criticism is because his hero and his party were mocked. Like all libs he considers himself intellectually superior and is loath to be exposed as a fool. He is in a lot of company with the Hollywood left and liberal media.

    Clint is entitled to a mighty wide birth as far as I’m concerned. And he was well within it.

  117. No Tigre, I liked the Clint part. I’m just objecting to a defense of Clint that implies he is above it all because he’s a senior citizen and an icon. My point is a minor one. Noah seemed to almost be guilt tripping people that bust his balls…..I don’t like that shit. I see far to much of that kind of stuff from the left.

  118. I sometimes pay for gas with my eye on my truck, my little man locked inside.

    Newt, you are a moron.

    What happened to that woman is tragic.

    Every time I think I’ve read something wild in these threads, it just gets wilder.

    What would have been real tragic Rabbit is if something had happened to the baby. You don’t leave a defenseless child alone in a car. F*CKING PERIOD. End of story. The fact that you’ve done so doesn’t make it right nor does it make Newt a moron.

  119. You need to go have your digestive enzymes tested, if you already haven’t.

    Tex, are you thinking lactose intolerance? A GI guy in Middlebury for whom I had zero respect gave me a lactose intolerance test and claimed that I failed it. But for reasons too complicated to explain here (at least and not bore everyone to tears) I didn’t buy the test results. Dairy has an inconsistent effect on my digestion. If I were lactose intolerant, wouldn’t it consistently cause me problems?

    If you’re not barking up the lactose tree, what enzyme test are you suggesting?

  120. Why’s Hillary bowing out of the big party?

    As Sec of State, Hillary has been very deliberate about staying out of politics. It compromises her position as lead diplomat of the country. So no surprise she wouldn’t show up at the Dem convention.

  121. Sorry in this matter we agree to disagree Rabbit. Your kind of loyalty I wouldn’t want. You really want to put up Reed’s life accomplishments against Clint’s? Really?

  122. Some times it’s two defenseless babies in the car. Taking them both out of my car is more of a risk. Have you already forgotten what a three year old is like? Now imagine me holding a baby carrier with a three month year old as well.

    Dude. Real world shit. Weigh the risks.

    The proper thing is to be gassed up ahead of time. Sometimes shit happens. Logistics R. True logistics in the real world. It has been evident to me for a long time now that navigating a real world isn’t your forte.

  123. Rutherford, I guess we sometimes forget these people hate government, but now we know that they carry it so far, they even approve of child endangerment. Fact is, when she goes before a Judge or a jury, her excuses won’t matter, she broke the law. And if she tries to explain it, like some of you have, she will get the maximum the Judge can under the law hand her.

  124. [Noah seemed to almost be guilt tripping people that bust his balls]

    Bust my balls all you like I could give a Fuck, got it? I have no problem with you disagreeing with me got it? None! You want to read into it a guilt trip that is on you. I say what I mean, and have no reason to imply anything. IF I mean to say it, I say it, and I expect the same in return.

  125. Newt ignore Tex. He doesn’t like your politics so he dismisses whatever you say. This is the same Tex who lambasted Pfesser for getting his niece an abortion behind his brothers back. Tex is damn selective about when it is cool to endanger a child.

    Is that the equivalent you are making to Pfesser’s story of then and yesterday? Abortion without parental consent? 😯 And you really consider yourself a reasonable person? I should have known better. Reasonable people don’t invest their entire worth on Rachel Maddow’s opinions and the success or failure of the Republican Convention.

    I don’t simply dismiss Newton for her politics; I dismiss Newton as a serious debater. You’re on the edge of joining her. The only thing I don’t dismiss is that Newton negates my vote. And a mob of millions of Newton votes in the majority lead us to a really dark path of history. Perhaps I shouldn’t dismiss her.

    Thank you for confirming for me this week what I’ve accepted for some time, still leaving an infinitesimal ray of hope I was wrong.

    When the curtain drawn and your back against the wall, your personal worth invested in your politics and not much else, you’re truly kind of a more refined Sandi. You’re not an adversary. You’re an unhinged toddler with a dirty diaper having an MSNBC tantrum.

  126. I thought it was awkward and entertaining.

    Finally you get to the truth of the matter. It was so awkward it made one feel sorry for Clint, a talented actor/director who apparently had no business ad-libbing. And yes, damn straight it was entertaining … like a car wreck is entertaining.

    Look, my bowels are not in a knot over Clint. The disrespect shown to Obama is nothing new. And I DO believe some of the MSNBC rhetoric revolving around this (and the convention in general) was way over the top.

    Two examples, one of which I tweeted about:

    1. Today Chris Hayes made some analogy about Eastwood’s empty chair and Ralph Ellison’s “Invisible Man”. Ridiculous. Clint forgot he was at a convention and thought he was at the Washington Correspondent’s Dinner. Simple as that.

    2. Both Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz said that the following Romney quote from his speech was for the birthers: “When the world needs to do really big stuff you need an American”. To which I tweeted the following:

    and

  127. Rutherford, if these are the points that matter to you, then we have already won. I will enjoy our victory all the more knowing we won in no small part to the small minded pettiness of you leftists.

  128. Mr. Rutherford.

    Let’s stop the duplicity and state the obvious.

    You and your MSNBC heroes seem to be having a rather rough go of it this week. But you were so nice in 2008…

    What is really bothering you and why you’ve now made it personal, is that you that you and yours don’t monopolize the narrative anymore, that your set of “facts” so easily refuted, that the only thing you’re left with is living a lie and a mountain of debt, forced to defend the indefensible. And I suppose you’re dumb enough to blame yourself for Obama’s massive failures. It would be far easier on yourself to admit you were duped and will do better next time. There’s no huge fault in that – there is allowing yourself to sell out for a losing cause that has clearly failed.

    This idea of some Peter Pan utopia under the management of faceless, benevolent bureaucrats guiding masses of stooges with the profundity of “Yes We Can.” We are the generation we have waited for…And you wonder why I stood aghast four years ago, observing the genuflection, and the ignorance, and the authority granting mob rule?

    I have often wondered how a civilized society as advanced as Germany in 1933 could have allowed the horrors that evolved – mostly without protest, voluntarily, willing to stay silent. A paradox, in that Hitler never received more than a 1/3 of the popular vote, yet that was all it took for complete the path to sheer evil. It never made rational sense to me until recently how that could happen in an industrialized power with the authority of its citizenry to vote. I expect that with the Muslim Brotherhood – not America.

    You have no idea how dangerous and stupid your conclusions are. You live in fear of theocracy that will never evolve without takeover, but have no problem with a doting mom having her child ripped from her arms by a bunch of unelected thugs on hearsay evidence? They might as well have kicked in her door.

    You’re losing your mind and losing your character in the process. Your mind is now filled with mush. Start thinking for yourself and lay off the MSNBC garbage until the election is over. You’re going to damage your health – you’re a little fragile anyway.

    And save yourself the trouble and the time. There is no Democratic economic plan for recovery.

  129. Loyalty has nothing to do with my take on proper political discourse involving Clint fucking Eastwood, guy. Back off the blogs for a moment and think how silly that is.

  130. Raji, the woman was ARRESTED for child neglect, just sayin’

    Yeah being arrested is pretty damn severe. I can’t help but think there is more to the story than PF told us. Like maybe she told the cops “f*ck you” the same way she told that guy who scolded her?

    Remember …. Gates got arrested for breaking into his own house four years ago and you guys had no problem with it cos Gates fat-lipped the officer. Maybe home girl didn’t quit while she was ahead?

    BTW, PF … if the Dad was away on business, what happened to the kid when they arrested the mother?

  131. Referring to “Chicago” is racist.

    Chris Matthews’ racial radar are way over-corrected. He hears a dog whistle in just about anything the GOP says. He goes overboard.

  132. Pfesser might have better ideas and is more qualified, but this is my suggestion if you haven’t already done so:

    I would have these tested:

    Proteases, peptidases, lipases, carbohydrases. Under each of these, fall a large number of enzymes/hormones that are compared by statistical category/norm.

    This would be a start – it may not identify the underlying cause, but it would help to identify the pathway if there is a digestive problem.

    I don’t know the expensive involved, but like everything else, I am sure it is not cheap.

  133. People leave their kids in the car at the gas station all the time. They fill up, or leave it filling, and go in to pee or grab something to eat or drink. Those that don’t pay at the pump sometimes go in to pay first, leaving their kid in the car. It isn’t crazy. Most times these kids are strapped in their kiddie seats.

    Do you know how many kids die from SIDS? Way more than any kidnapping, and while ‘safe’ in bed.

    The government can’t tell you what is safe or not for your own kids. Ludicrous. I know we’ve been trying to protect us from ourselves for centuries. Damn, I hate ginormous government! I can’t believe we’re here. Where did it start? It’s been creeping on…

  134. Anyone else feel like your talking to yesterdays Rutherford?

    Just the opposite, Noah. I think it’s now tomorrow’s Rutherford, where he sides with protestors dressed in giant, pink vaginas.

    Wouldn’t doubt that almost the entire Wattle Jean and Fat Grannies website is made up of retired Code Pinkers.

  135. Maybe that’s what you can’t quite put your finger on Rutherford.

    Muffy … the MS explanation is very interesting. I wonder if it effects the facial muscles? I’m telling you, she looks angry (or maybe just “serious”) a lot of the time to me.

    Interestingly, post-convention I find Mitt more authentic and I find Ann less authentic. “I love you, women!” just seemed forced to me. I also resented the women “sigh a bit louder” and by implication care a bit more, than the men do.

  136. MSNBC’s reaction to Clint Eastwood is hilarious. Invisible Man. Empty chair. They should play Eastwood’s shtick backwards. Rutherford, your favorite pundits are comparable to poolman.

    We don’t have to whine that MSNBC is being meanies because Clint is old and Million Dollar Baby was a great movie. Fuck man, keep letting them talk!

  137. Come on “R” buddy. Even an MSNBC stooge has to admit that’s pretty funny.

    I’d have to watch the whole thing again to pick out the genuinely funny lines.

    Here’s the deal. Supposedly he was supposed to clock in at 3 minutes. He went about 10. Supposedly he was gonna deliver a speech similar to one he had delivered a few months ago that really wowed the GOP. Instead he went off script.

    But here is the most practical problem, and surely all you astute political junkies can agree with this: the media was preoccupied with Clint this morning when they should have been talking about Romney’s speech. That can’t be good.

  138. Pfesser’s example is no different than walking into pay for gas at a convenience store. That’s not leaving a child unattended.

    Good golly miss Molly!!!!! Have you lost your mind? If the kid is alone in a f*cking car, he’s unattended!!!!

    C’mon! Stop this nonsense. Do I think the lady should have been arrested? No, it would have been preferable for the cops to give her a stern lecture and tell her if it ever happened again, she’d be arrested. Perhaps (I don’t know the law) there was some ticket they could’ve issued her so that the offense was recorded somewhere.

    But please please please … stop defending this woman. She took a chance that she didn’t need to take and it was ultimately born of laziness.

    P.S. Personal story: one of the last straws in getting my mother to stop smoking was when she left me alone in our apartment to run down to the store to buy a pack of smokes. I couldn’t have been more than 2. When she realized her addiction drove her to such irrationality, she stopped smoking. Store was nearby … she couldn’t have been gone more than 10 minutes. She was wrong and she knew it.

  139. Noah, you are misunderstanding me. I meant you are guilt tripping people (newt) who bust Clint Eastwood’s balls. Not your balls.

    That being said, I have to admit, I had no idea Rutherford’s MSNBC pundits were accusing Clint of using the most insane symbolism. I don’t follow this shit like you guys do. In the wake of those laughable accusations, then yeah, Clint’s icon status and his body of work/ philanthropy should be thrown out there.

    Lol. The Invisible Man….Clint’s a racist…..holy shit.

    I thought people were ripping on the speech, delivery etc.

  140. Piss off. It may be the end of subject for YOU

    PF you’re wrong on this one dude. I’m not quite sure why your emotions are overwhelming your common sense.

    Forget opinion for a moment … if Raji is right about the law, then it is “end of subject”.. Your friend broke the law. You don’t like it …. get the law changed.

  141. Rutherford, I assure you, the content of the super bowl clint speech did not wow the GOP, if that’s what you mean.

  142. Social Services ever try to take my child and put him in foster care for putting gas in my car

    NO! You don’t get it. If you pay at the pump, no problem. You are right next to the car. It’s when you leave the car to go inside a building to pay that you’ve made a mistake.

    You’re right … social services shouldn’t take your kid … they should tell your wife so she can kick your ass.

  143. Tex, while it’s not effecting my political attitude, my wife is still under the weather. She’s scheduled for surgery in little over a week and must endure the pain until then. She’s taking Tylenol and has not yet resorted to the Norco she was prescribed.

    I’d go into more detail but it is her business to share, not mine. Suffice it to say it’s typical middle-aged woman stuff. We anticipate a good outcome … it’s just a hassle to have to go through it.

  144. My wife wouldn’t kick my ass. What part of clutching an unpredictable 3 year old while dragging out the car seat with the three month year old into the gas station do you see as a safer option. I can see the car. I can get to the car in 5 seconds. Car is locked. I’m in a safe neighborhood. Dragging a toddler and a baby into the gas station IS THE DANGEROUS option

  145. As usual the fact that Gorilla has to go such trouble to defend Ryan proves my case.

    Let’s make it simple … Ryan implied Obama let the Janesville plant workers down. 96% of them got screwed under Bush. Case closed.

  146. You haven’t made a valid point in days.

    You wouldn’t know a valid point if it walked up and kissed you full on the mouth.

    Some of the reactions I see to the convention just ended show me that the lines have been drawn, the war has begun, and the victor will be announced in November. Until then, it’s gonna be bloody.

  147. Woman runs in for a coffee, eye on the locked car the entire time. Letter of the law.
    U.S Constitution. Spirit of the law.

    Got to love liberal logic.

  148. I happen to agree that the Obama campaign should not have tweeted about Eastwood. His stunt deserved to be ignored by them. They dignified it and appeared defensive. Dumb move.

  149. “You wouldn’t know a valid point if it walked up and kissed you full on the mouth.”

    Coming from you that’s a compliment. Your cry baby reaction to the RNC speeches speaks for itself.

    Where’s Obama’s plan you were prattling on about?

  150. Woman runs in for a coffee, eye on the locked car the entire time.

    What good does her EYE do as the car gets carjacked? What good does her EYE do as the car gets rear ended by an out-of-control garbage truck?

    I don’t get this. Rabbit …. you understandably can’t go to the beach without pissing yourself with fear for the kids there, yet you persist in defending this woman. I swear I don’t get it.

  151. the content of the super bowl clint speech did not wow the GOP

    Are you referring to the superbowl auto ad? That’s not what I’m referring to. I need to get to bed. I’ll try to find it tomorrow.

  152. The government can’t tell you what is safe or not for your own kids. One of the most ridiculous over-simplifications I’ve ever read. Your kids are not your property. The government can and should tell you that you can’t beat them, you can’t f*ck them, you can’t sell them for sexual favors, you can’t offer them for dangerous employment, etc, etc. The list goes on and on.

    If you want to live in the world of Charles Dickens, be my guest, I like things as they are today.

  153. “You know there’s something wrong with the kind of job he’s done as president when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him.”

    That was indeed a money quote. One of the best in his speech.

    I may not have made this clear but I thought Romney delivered the goods in his speech, even if I do fear the sabre rattling at China and Russia.

  154. Rutherford, what do you think? 1000 to 1? 10,000 to 1? Maybe even 100,000 to 1. Children dying on the beach per children dying as a result of car jacking/kid napping.
    Your reality is skewed. As it is with many people. And there lies the exact reason I’m pissing myself at the beach.

  155. “PF you’re wrong on this one dude. I’m not quite sure why your emotions are overwhelming your common sense.
    Forget opinion for a moment … if Raji is right about the law, then it is “end of subject”.. Your friend broke the law. You don’t like it …. get the law changed.”

    I think this sums up the fundamental difference between your POV and mine perfectly, R. From my perspective, and it is mine alone – unlike those who claim to speak for the world – the mother is almost without exception never going to do anything to hurt her child. The world – yes world – has recognized that from the beginning of time and gives her without question the right to make judgement calls, with a lot of leeway, since she is the authority. I agree with that and do not think nib-nosed sonsofbitches should be interfering unless there is a clear and present danger, and in particular a strange man getting in her face in a public place.

    I am beginning to think this guy is some kind of stalker, and her family has put a private investigator on him to find out his name and background. She thinks so too, and is quite worried that he will discover where she lives; she has bought a pistol and I am teaching her how to shoot it.

    You, OTOH, think the state is sovereign in all matters, that it should treat everyone like a little kid and push its nose into all matters, public and private – that nobody should be able to make a judgement call – even a well thought-out call like leaving one coffee shop to go in another where she could KEEP THE CAR IN VIEW AT ALL TIMES. That’s irresponsible? Jesus, what a world we live in these days. This is a perfect case of why we need a tight, tight leash on the power of the government. I cannot think of a better one.

  156. One of my employees in NC just called me with a story of her own. I’ll try to be brief:

    Her sister pulled into a parking spot at a local shoe store, and as she got out, a fellow appeared at the driver’s door, with a 4 or 5 year girl in tow. He started screaming at her that she had nearly run over him and had knocked the girl down.

    “You’re crazy! I’ve never seen you in my life. I didn’t hit anybody!”

    He kept screaming, making a scene, and she got so rattled she got back in her car and left the parking lot. (See, just like my friend, she got rattled and screwed up.)

    That night the police came to her door and took her out in handcuffs for hit-and-run.

    As luck would have it, her husband was a lawyer, though. He immediately brought all resources to bear, discovering quickly that the man had done this twice before in another state, actually recovering money in one instance. Case closed, as some would say.

    TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH TOO MUCH GODDAMNED AUTHORITY. The police should never have been able to arrest her just on his say-so.

    *************

    Along those lines, it looks like Ron Paul just got another write-in vote.

  157. I also resented the women “sigh a bit louder” and by implication care a bit more, than the men do.
    You resented that? For crying out loud that has been the plot of the left for 45 years or so.

  158. Along those lines, it looks like Ron Paul just got another write-in vote.
    And therefore given the state you live in you AGAIN vote for Barack Obama. good job!

  159. Want to know why medical care is so costly? My former hospital built a “birthing” center within its walls. I was told by the contractor that there was over $500,000 in security, “to keep people from stealing babies.”

    Herein is the problem: Americans cannot do math, at least liberals can’t. In a country of 300M, there are probably ten babies stolen every year – that’s generous, most likely. A little hospital in Nowhereville, Virginia, in a county where the median income is $31,000, just spent a cool half-mill on “keeping babies from being stolen.”

    I’d say the chance of getting a newborn stolen is about like that of having one stolen in a locked car by someone without a key.

    And while we are wasting our time on this kind of shit, the Chinese…well, you know. The commercial where they are all laughing at us is pretty damned right. And WE are handing them the keys for THAT carjacking.

  160. “BTW, PF … if the Dad was away on business, what happened to the kid when they arrested the mother?”

    She called me and said that the police wanted her to “come down to the station and talk to them.” Her first good move.

    I told her to leave her apartment, take the child to daycare immediately and turn off her cell phone, since they can track you by your cell signal. Go immediately to a lawyer’s office and SIT THERE until he sees you.

    She did that. The lawyer called the Fuzz and found out that they planned to arrest her. The rest is history. She was never handcuffed or taken away.

    About two years ago I bought the DVD related to this video on YouTube:

    I subsequently bought ten more and have distributed them to my friends with teenagers. My kids and I watch it every Christmas; they are well and truly fed up with it, but ANY encounter with the cops can ruin your life. It is NOT a game – except for them, that is…

  161. Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist

  162. They have to swap Biden for Hillary at this point. Bill is speaking on the second night?

    It’s their only chance, the only trick they have left.

    BS that the media left would be talking about Romney if it hadn’t been for Clint. They are drawn to negatives or perceived negatives like sharks to blood and Romney emerged without a scrape. if it hasn’t been for Clint’s irreverence toward Obama they would be blowing up Rubio’s reverence toward his God. This bashing Clint is manna to the left. Much safer and more palatable than to go after Rubio.

    Stephanie Cutter tweeted while Ryan was still speaking that the plant closed under Bush. it went immediately in the air at MSNBC and they’re not going to give it up no matter the disconnect with what Ryan actually said. The most we can expect is the weak admission that we all know what Ryan implied.

  163. Your advice to your friend was the only advice that counts, PF. If you don’t have your lawyer’s number handy then stick a card behind your driver’s license. If you don’t know a lawyer that you can call, find one before you need one.

    Period.

  164. Along those lines, it looks like Ron Paul just got another write-in vote

    Woohoo! Go Dr. Paul!!

    And therefore given the state you live in you AGAIN vote for Barack Obama. good job!

    Huh? You did the same thing in 2008. Hypocrite!

  165. @237 nope. my vote in 2008 was electoral college irrelevant so my universal conscience casting was sound,safe and still cathartic.
    PF lives in a swing state. PF can hurt Romney and help Obama. You can send a message safely even though not unlike me in 08 the act doesn’t change anything.
    Bottom line is this.I personally like write ins and would love to see a national NONE OF THE ABOVE be on ballots every election,I seriously would. But everything I read from PF leads me to believe that if he really wants to effect change the thing for him to do in 2012 is vote Romney and from election day onward put Romney and very pol on notice that he is on watch.
    I think you should write in Paul and in taking you at your word,you seem to be all ready involved in putting the fire to the feet of your pols. Also to you specifically you should be seeking out folks to create and grow the Paulist movement,make sure things go on even though he is soon not to be able etc.

  166. Also to you specifically you should be seeking out folks to create and grow the Paulist movement,make sure things go on even though he is soon not to be able etc

    Right now the RNC is doing the most to grow that revolution.

  167. Well you and I have different outlooks on that. I want the popular vote to dictate party actions even on the grass root level. The hijacking we saw in 2012 is no better than the cigar smoking fatties that ignore the people in the past. Parties need to modernize and truly democratize.
    If the Republican Party is to survive and thrive in2 the future it must get away from the nuts and build the type of platform the majority want to stand on and for.

  168. I have to say I am with PF on this one. There was no crime here. At best it was a questionable choice, but by no means was it a crime, not because I say so but because common sense says so. There was no intent, no malice.

  169. If the Republican Party is to survive and thrive in2 the future it must get away from the nuts and build the type of platform the majority want to stand on and for.

    Lol. Too loaded to ignore.

    The reference to ‘nuts’ and ‘build’ alone gave me a reason to chuckle. I’m certain we don’t hold the same definition regarding either.

    The ‘We Built It” theme (as preposterous as that is) aside, we saw rules change midstream in order to disenfranchise a huge contingent of the platform. Definitely not a unifying move, or ‘building’ in the sense of any positive construction.

    If by ‘nut’ you are referring to Dr Paul or any of his followers, then you either continue to misunderstand or distort his message and intent.

    The nutshell takeaway I got was fascism. The GOP is now the face of fascism in America. Totalitarianism has won another victory. We’ll see how it plays out at the polls.

  170. What good does her EYE do as the car gets carjacked? What good does her EYE do as the car gets rear ended by an out-of-control garbage truck?

    What good does it do if it gets hit by a falling satellite from space? What good does it do if Rutherford told the truth for once and the world came to an end? Quite the bit of reasoning there.

  171. “There was no intent, no malice.”

    I’ll probably get smacked by Tigre on this but I’m pretty sure negligent homicide has no intent nor malice and is damn well illegal.

    Common sense says you don’t arrest a man for “breaking into” his own home yet loads here defended Gates getting arrested.

    Cop should have interviewed her, advised her of the law, and let her get off with a warning.

  172. To your point Rutherford that it is a bad sign for Romney that they were talking about Clint instead of Romney. I think it is the best sign possible. This tells me they feel they cant touch Romney so they went after the only weakness they could find, and 82 yr old man. Leftists at their best.

  173. R, you’re both wrong and right.

    You must of course “intend” to do the act insofar as you understand the nature of it (e.g. pull the trigger as opposed to having a muscle spasm that causes the gun to fire).

    Intent to cause the “result” is not necessary, so long as there’s a substitute for “intent” (e.g. reckless disregard for the consequence– like throwing bricks over you shoulder in the construction of high rise where the risks to persons below is apparent although might not mean to hit them).

    So, a person acts with “criminal negligence” with respect to a result or to a circumstance (described by statute) when he/she fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a “gross deviation” from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.

    The standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant is the doing of something that a reasonably prudent person would do under the circumstances or omitting to do what a reasonably prudent person would not do under the circumstances.

    Whether the risk is substantial and unjustifiable is generally speaking a question of fact, not law.

    There you go. Apply it to the baby in the car but keep in mind the statute that was violated and not subjective determination of “intent.” Frankly you all are already doing that without using the buzz words or text of the law.

  174. Noah, agreed. Again. The petty criticisms of Clint and the other petty, catty bullshit coming from the left is a good sign for the GOP that they haven’t got much of anything on the main event.

    Here comes all of the smug, baseless accusations of racism and similar bullshit attempts to stigmatize. Talk about one-trick ponies. It’s all they got and R thinks the country is buying it. As always, he’s wrong.

    R where’s the plan?

  175. The left is getting laughed at. The Clint Eastwood thing turned out to be brilliant. Poolman type weirdness coming from them. Nobody cares about faux racist charges like they used to. So 1998.

  176. There should be a bond so strong between parent and offspring that instinct rules the roost. Develop that and you don’t need busy bodies trying to apply force from the state on your happy ass because it doesn’t ‘look right’ to them. Unless provable harm has been done, the state has no right to infringe. If a law is unjust appeal it. We got some real doozies on the books. If they are anti constitution, strike them.

  177. All one has to do is look to our local example, Rutherford. How often do you see him talking about actual issues? He instead picks some obscure topic, or takes an actual topic, and presupposes an imaginary event, or takes the worst case scenario as if it is the only possible outcome, then goes off running on that. It is so very rare that these Leftists go for an objective point of merit. It is all emotional arguments. Liberalism is a mental illness, the facts speak for themselves.

  178. Poolman type weirdness coming from them.

    I’m glad I have established my own flavor. It is contagious, you know. At least according to Tex, and he’s dang near a doctor. 😆

  179. So how unqualified/worthy is Romney, especially when compared to the Messiah?

    Gave his entire inheritance to charity!
    Volunteered for his father’s gubernatorial campaign for one year!
    Unpaid intern at the governors office for 8 years!
    Missionary in Paris for 2 years!
    Unpaid President of his church for 10 years!
    Took no pay as President of the Salt Lake Olympics for 3 years!
    Took no pay as Mass. Governor for 4 years!

    That’s a total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, community, and his church!

    And we wonder why they went after an 82 year old man, or a cancer victim! Bet R still votes for the black guy.

    R, whats up with those Jobs we were talking about, and the plan?

  180. At least according to Tex, and he’s dang near a doctor.

    ❓ When have I called myself almost a doctor? But then again, you want us to believe you were almost a business man, so I understand the confusion.

    —–

    Let me set your own personal story straight. A review back through your shared story, as I pull it all together.

    I Toad Poolman, was hired to run a backhoe for a pool company but they fired me because they were jealous. Jealous of my many talents – I was a sculptor; a sculptor of fine pools; a true master.

    When the market turned and I was underwater in my mortgage payment, I realized the scope of the Jewish conspiracy. So I decided in order to save the world, I had to live off the grid. I quit paying all bills, including the electric, the phone, and the house for three years. Our corrupt government, puppets for the Zionist Jews, deemed me dangerous and I had to go underground. REVOLUTION!

    In order to provide cover, I sent my wife, the homemaker, to take up a low level administrative position to keep us fed while I planned our escape and our ultimate takeover. I use Wifi from the local library to scan the net, tracking the Jewish conspiracy and documenting all of it at Veterans Today and Margaret & Helen’s so the world may know one day. The Illuminati scan from the sky with their mind rays. I don’t know how much longer I can hold out.

    I used all the free resources the government offered and avoided taxes – in fact, I never paid them. I used free health care for my wife and daughters, as the medical records are part of the Jewish conspiracy. I may be bugged.

    I have chosen to criticize the same government that clothes me and feeds and accuse them of mass murder as payback for their treachery. Some of my brave brothers and sisters sacrificed themselves at OWS, and I never understood the depths of depravity until Dr. Paul set me straight and provided clarity. I am a Paulian. VICTORY!

    I’ve seen their hidden messages in Simpson Cartoons and am monitored by super secret predator insect drones, probably Zionist in nature.

    I have concluded Ron Paul is our only hope, but didn’t recognize that 46 months ago. IT might have the mind rays of the insect drones that clouded my judgment. I just don’t know. I adjusted my antennae and now feel more attuned to the situation at hand.

    I am a reformed Republican.

    —–

    That about cover it, Leonardo?

  181. Emily,

    Perhaps the best line of Romney’s speech I thought was this:

    “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family.”

    Sorry I did not answer your request until now. It was in reference to this mind boggling example of false humility from our now known quality and monumental failure, Barry Hussein Obama.

  182. R, you’re in an exalted class my friend. Truly so for you are in the the small, small group who actually watch MSDNC. Frankly, the network should be investigated by the FEC for its financial contributions to Obama via heavily biased propaganda. At least Fox does some news, MSDNC is ALL Obama campaign talking points…

    On the concluding night of the Republican National Convention, Fox News’ coverage brought in its highest ratings with 9 million total viewers (more than its cable competitors as well as broadcast networks). It was also the network’s 3rd highest-rated 10 p.m. slot in more than 15 years. CNN and MSNBC brought in just over 4 million viewers combined.

    10-11PM Coverage — Total Viewers

    Fox News: 9,057,093
    ABC: 4,442,908,000
    NBC: 3,847,498
    CBS: 3,729,691
    CNN: 2,327,376
    MSNBC: 1,876,459

    10-11PM Coverage — 25-54 Demo

    Fox News: 2,575,383
    ABC: 1,612,407
    NBC: 1,463,902
    CBS: 1,506,553
    CNN: 903,838
    MSNBC: 625,712

  183. Want to see some race baiting, desperation and despicable tactics from none other than our blog host?

    You were dead on this morning on Up. They want to “go back to a time” when blacks knew their place.

    Yet, there was this speech that few saw at the Republican Convention on TV which I now provide. Five minutes. This doesn’t fit the “R” narrative.

    Can you see the dog whistle I speak? It isn’t just Chris Matthews who suffers from racial dishonesty…

  184. Here was our favorite line from Mitt Romney’s convention speech: “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family.”

    We liked it even better when we saw that the New York Times’s Nicholas Kristof had tweeted: “Seriously, Romney’s speech esp troubled me by mocking rising seas/climate change. The dismissiveness was appalling.” Gaia is a jealous Goddess, and She will not be mocked!

    It actually hadn’t occurred to us that the Romney line was a repudiation of global warmism. If so, that’s lagniappe. What we enjoyed was the deft way in which Romney punctured Obama’s self-aggrandizement–by quoting his most immodest promise ever, pausing for effect, then making an almost comically modest promise of his own. . . .

    Obama’s journalistic supporters live in a bizarre alternate reality in which a politician’s actual words mean nothing. When the president says something foolish and offensive, he didn’t say that. Meanwhile every comment from a Republican can be translated, through a process of free association, to: “We don’t like black people.”

    The question of race is central to the leftist media’s protectiveness toward Obama, who has both benefited and suffered from a racial double standard. As the late Geraldine Ferraro pointed out in 2008–and was attacked for pointing out–Obama would not have risen so quickly had he been white. No sane person believed that stuff about casting down the oceans and mending “the planet,” but a lot of Americans thought electing a black president would be a salve for racial wounds.

    Obama rose in 2008 as a symbol of racial aspirations–the black aspiration to be recognized as fully American and the white aspiration to redeem the sin of racism. That made it difficult to criticize him, much less to mock him. John McCain’s campaign was hobbled by a fear of appearing racist, and Obama himself received a degree of deference that is excessive for any politician.

    The left has not moved beyond seeing Obama as a racial symbol, and that is for two reasons. First, his record as president doesn’t have much else to recommend it, so that crying racism is about the best they can do as an argument for re-election. Second, it is of great psychological importance to American left-liberals to believe that their opponents are racist and they themselves are not. Their self-image as a moral elite revolves around the imputation of invidious racial attitudes to others.

    Romney and the Republicans, however, have moved on. . . . It is healthy for America that the president be criticized and even mocked. Deference to a Dear Leader has no place in a democracy. It’s healthy for race relations, too, that he be judged on his record rather than held to a lower standard in the name of racial progress. When a black politician is treated just like any other politician, that’s genuine progress.

    Healthy Ridicule

  185. “Consider this: how many more people watched Rubio and Romney BECAUSE of Clint’s speech?”

    Negligible. Romney needed to be humanized for the swing voters. Clint and Rubio were for the base already voting for Mitt. It would have been better to have the bio video in primetime between Rubio and Mitt.

    BTW Honey Boo Boo beat Mitt in the ratings. Major FAIL.

  186. Rutherford. That whole convention burned your little ass. Major Fail, my ass.

    All of you, from your MSNBC to your dependency pimps are the most pathetic excuse for humanity I’ve ever witnessed in my 52 years. I ALMOST feel sorry for you schlubs.

    And since that mindless Newton was just sure the hurricane was God’s way of picking sides, tell her HE changed HIS mind apparently:

    Here, suck on this testament to idiocy, you feckless libs. Mt. Obama – 😆

    You bunch of helpless twits.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/1/rains-wash-away-mount-obama/

  187. “they would be blowing up Rubio’s reverence toward his God”

    If I’m not mistaken Rubio claimed faith in God the top American value. Funny cos I always thought it was life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

  188. I think intellectually Rutherford has completely imploded. I have a feeling we will see very little in the way of posts from him until someone uncovers SOMETHING on Mitt, Ryan, or the Republican party. Then suddenly all the stars will align, his life will magically get back in order, and he will start posting again.

    NOW, Rutherford, is the time to show everyone what your character is. When there is nothing on the Left of substance to bitch about, now is the time to show us what your made of. Or are you only a glib radio show/blog host when you have mud to sling or a cross to bear?

  189. R, this bitterness is beneath you. It looks pretty transparent though, you guys have bad feeling about the convention, which is why you’re trying to attack it so hard.

    If it was bad, you’d just let it be bad, but it wasn’t, now was it…

  190. R hasn’t imploded, but he is in a bit of a crisis.

    He needs Obama to be validated as a successful President. Partly because he’s black, but I think that’s low on the totem pole. Mostly, its because of ideology. R needs to know that the ideology that he has invested and bought into is legitimate. The problem R has is that he can’t point to anything that validates his ideology, or Obama as the embodiment of said ideology.

    This is why we get so many excuses for everything. Obama’s failures can’t be owned by Obama or the left, because they then pull the bricks out of that ideological wall R has built. So he has to blame the GOP for standing in the way of the recovery, even though the left was in control of the House, the Senate and the WH till 2011. Let’s not forget R, the GOP couldn’t do anything during that timeframe and it was Biden who claimed that the SUmmer of 2010 was to be the Summer of Recovery and would net some 500,000 jobs per month. You’re lucky if you have 500K jobs in 6 months right now, but that doesn’t matter to R or the left: intentions, not results (DWS Shout out!).

    R’s going through an identity crisis. The sky is no longer blue, tree’s are no longer green and up is now down. He doesn’t know where to turn or why the American people have shut off what he “know’s is right”.

    We’re here to help buddy, but the first step is to admit you got a problem…

  191. Tex, you idiot, “since that mindless Newton was just sure the hurricane was God’s way of picking sides, tell her HE changed HIS mind apparently.” I was ridiculing folks like you, who along with your church leaders, have blamed human behavior for God’s wrath (natural weather). I do not believe is in such craziness, either in the Bible or in modern era.

  192. @ Rutherford in crisis. 😆

    And please understand that you’re never going to get better if you keep listening to the nozzles on MSNBC. 🙂

    I don’t know but when I hear America the Beautiful sung gospel-style and backed by a choir (and the candidate is doing a pretty decent job of singing along to the more obscure and most beautiful latter verses) – I just naturally shut up and listen. So does Chris Wallace. Not those morons at MSNBC.

    HERE because you probably missed it –

  193. ICE chief of staff resigns amid misconduct claims

    😆 Janet N., Obama’s favorite misandrist. Seems they’re running a man hating club and her top bully resigned in misconduct. The three ring circus of the Obama regime continues.

  194. I’m sorry but am I the only one who finds it funny that while I’m watching Rudolph and Frosty with my kid at Xmas, PF is watching a “what to do if you’re arrested” video with his?

  195. Gorilla, I’ve been telling “R” the same thing. He’s imploding – Obama’s failings are personal.

    Choom is black and he’s lib. Had this been Ms. Rotten failing instead of Choom, Rutherford would have resigned himself to the failure and grudgingly agreed they could have done better. Rutherford would never admit progressive politic was self-defeating, but Rutherford wouldn’t be taking this personally.

    I understand Choom, the same Choom not watching the Republican Convention, was “tweeting” at 12:30AM about Clint Eastwood’s speech. The humiliation burned. 😈

    Choom is a thin skinned turd, and the national pointing fingers at him, laughing hysterically as his mammoth ego exploding in his face and snickering about healing the earth was more than Rutherford could take. This could get ugly before the election.

  196. That monument to Obama, which I’m still laughing about, reminds me of this cartoon some years back.

    Don’t these loons realize that statue and the like is exactly why we stare at Obama and his toe suckers with aghast? Good grief, what a moribund party.

  197. Hi, Tex–thank you. I hadn’t seen that. It is pretty ghastly.

    It appears that Mr. Romney has seen roughly a 5 per cent “bounce” from the convention. Is that typical? Or more or less than typical?

    Rutherford: I’d bet on your mental health before that of the person spouting that liberalism is a mental disease.

  198. Rutherford: I’d bet on your mental health before that of the person spouting that liberalism is a mental disease.

    Consider me mentally ill! 🙂 Though I didn’t coin it, I absolutely damn sure agree with the sentiments.

    Take a look at Poolman and Newton.

  199. @ poolman 244 thats not what I meant at all.
    By built(d) I was staying true to the concept of planks and platforms which is the imagery of others not me. I think the GOP needs to build one with select planks and those planks can indeed,should be from Log Cabin folks,soccer moms and libertarians and a whole lot more.
    For nuts I was thinking more about the more zealous evangelical bunch that can’t see the value of folks dedicated to the service component of other faiths,be they catholic,mormon or even muslim.
    The only thing I have directly lined up against the Paulites is that they were the group that showed the fatal flaw of a 19th century model in a 21st century world. I don’t want the bosses perverting and ignoring the process with back room dealings (Harding) and I don’t want grass root types sabotaging and ignoring the popular vote.
    I want the parties to have a 21 st century stance. I want the voter not members to dictate what the Party does and doesn’t stand for.

  200. I don’t know if you were talking to me Emily, but I don’t think liberalism is a mental disease. Now, you have to be retarded to buy into it, but it by itself is not a disease.

    😉

  201. Rutherford 246 fwiw I’m sorta with you on the matter. I think there are things missing.
    For my part in the Gates affair I was all about the escalation contempt angle. I’ve been in a similar situation a number of times. Black guy/gal thinks my presence and attitude is based on the color of their skin. Thing is at any given time in my EMS days my negativity was more about the asshole sitting in front of me regardless of race,color,gender,creed or orientation.
    As for coffee girl. I said it way back,society has thrusted stupidity upon the police and the police are not prepared for it. It is the same thing when we go make teachers social workers on top of being teachers.

  202. Tex and Gorilla: I wasn’t speaking of either of you. You strike me as basically very sound. Irascible and opinionated, certainly, but sane.

    I am not going to support Obama, but it is to a significant degree because abortion is such a big issue for me. I don’t dismiss issues relating to climate change, largely because I think it’s foolish to do that without knowing much more than I do. I believe that a measure of governmental regulation is necessary to avoid the Madoff’s and to minimize the chance of an American Bhopal. I support Second Amendment rights even though I am not someone who personally would own a firearm. I believe the tax code is ridiculous and that there is something wrong with a system that contains so many loopholes, but I don’t know what the alternative is. So I think that the issues are complicated and don’t lend themselves to easy answers–and that sometimes the best answer is somewhere between the two parties.

  203. Emily, “It appears that Mr. Romney has seen roughly a 5 per cent “bounce” from the convention. Is that typical? Or more or less than typical?” Typical, I don’t know, but in 2008 McCain got a 11% bounce out of his convention.

  204. Here Emily,

    In direct opposition to the lameness of Obama and his abject idiocy, I’ll let a smart BLACK MAN explain in about 4 and 1/2 minutes the difference between liberal and conservative.

    And the most important part for Rutherford to begin to lift himself from idiocy to what he could be, starts about the 4:00 minute mark by asking himself three simple questions:

  205. @ 263 Apparently I am not up to par on what is politically correct to read. Therefore I read everything regardless of whether it’s left or right. I do like to broaden my horizons and not restrict my thinking to a singular train of thought. I thought the Times piece was amusing as to whether or not it was factual who cares.
    Please enlighten me to other sources that I might have not yet discovered.

  206. 5 percent seems measly for the time and money spent. I think it’s supposed to be a big pep rally and help motivate the base. This effort failed there. Those that were Rmoney bots are still and the ones riding the fence are still left looking for something with more substance.

    The Democrats can only gain support with their rally if it’s entertaining.

    It’s all meaningless pomp, but apparently provides some sacred jobs. 🙄

  207. I don’t know what sources you’ve read, but i don’t have a particular in mind. Google will retrieve gazillions. If you don’t care whether it’s factual then it makes no difference anyway. I assumed you did.

  208. Good time they are a comin.

    A senior Iranian nuclear official says the sole reactor at the country’s Bushehr nuclear power plant has reached full capacity.

    The facility is a cornerstone of Iran’s drive to become a technological leader among Muslim nations, with efforts such as a space program and long-range missile development.

    Nothing says peace like nuclear and long range missiles.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/iran-says-nuclear-reactor-has-reached-full-capacity/

  209. I always found Intrade in flux like politics – it ebbs and flows based on little but gut emotion. The debates or some unforeseen occurrence like Lehman Brothers folding tent in 2008 will ultimately determine this election.

    However, a few days before an election, I’ve found Intrade a pretty accurate gauge – for the reason being people willing to put their money where their mouth is and finalize their bet.

    Tool™man is so sure Romney is lame, let him step up to the plate and put his cash on the line. I predict Tool™man will leave tread marks if it’s his own sacrifice he has to make.

    Tool™ isn’t only a fool. He’s a cowardly fool, hiding behind the liberties this country bestowed upon him from a simple birthright.

    Private Bradley Manning without the position or authority to really screw up. Frankly, there would be some real benefit to be gained for national dialogue if we could simply hang Tool™man on the public square and remove him from fray. He’s not an adversary. He’s useless and a piece of trash that needs to be disposed of for both sides so we can get down to the brass tacks.

  210. Oh, Tex. Obama is a small potatoes thief compared to your more favored Zionist money changers. Sheesh. Look what the partial audit has revealed. You like lots of zeroes…

    $16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious – the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

    http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.11/gaoaudit.html

  211. @ Raji 303 (great line from a movie in that)
    Anyway. I think the TImes article is ok as long as it isn’t the sole source one draws upon. I for one use the fact that I watched the event. The criticisms afterward are meaningless to me. in fact one thing the times piece did for me personally is bolster my feeling that Mitt will go outside the box and comfort zone if it is something he thinks is right.
    Be it Eastwood or Ryan or how I presume he will lead on a number of issues I think Mitt knows what he is doing even if the heads thinks he is nuts

  212. Emily, in a word, yes! Sarah Palin had only given two scripted speeches by that point and she looked damn good giving them.

  213. You’re on. 50 hail maries and 37 acts of contrition, with 13 our fathers performed in public, one on each day following the election..

  214. Since you’re a counterfeit every step of the way, and have no character, value, morals, or shame…

    I was thinking something far more tangible that you might value a little more, Tool™.

    How about $100.00 payable to Rutherford to soothe his brow and his stomach for taking up his bandwidth?

    Do we have a bet, Leonardo?

  215. Damn, I was so looking forward to doing the our fathers in public. 😆 Your memory fails you again, not surprisingly. I don’t bet, and certainly have not been sufficiently enticed by any of your offers, whether they be former or the present one.

    Sorry. Go get your kicks on route 66.

  216. All those skid marks you see are in your head and result from your brain doing 180s whenever it gets close to an original thought.

  217. Tool™, you’re not even intelligent enough to be offensive anymore. However, this stooge is perfect for you – including the big crucifix and skull cap. 😆 I can picture you being his apprentice, dressed up like this, tin cup in hand, on the streets of Phoenix.

    About 75% of the Left are small time grifters looking for the biggest handout. When Obama didn’t deliver the freebies you wanted, you went looking for the next Pied Piper of platitudes because you’re a consistence dunce with tin foil hat wrapped tight.

    Your loyalty to Ron Paul wasn’t there in 2008, and it’s phony as hell now.

  218. I suppose everyone has seen the hypocrites called Code Pink masquerading as dressed as giant, floppy vaginas protesting at the Republican Convention?

    I read today that someone suggested that Conservative women protest the Dimocratic Convention dressed as giant brains. 😆

  219. Your loyalty to Ron Paul wasn’t there in 2008, and it’s phony as hell now.

    You’re half right. I wasn’t voting Ron Paul in 2008. Obama had me conned. Now I know when a politician opens his mouth he’s lying. He only says what he’s told, and sometimes he’s made to look a fool when he is freelancing.

    Since the Ron Paul message wasn’t all over the media, I missed it right away. But better late than never has its merit,

  220. You’re still as ignorant, phony and gullible now as you were then.

    Yeah, I’m that fish you snag and pull in and he’s got a couple other hooks rusting in his jaw and just looks so pitiful and scrawny with nipped fins and a few missing scales that you immediately dislodge the hook and throw him back hurriedly even before the sight of you holding him takes away his very will to live.

    Now you’re left with fish slime in your hand.

  221. Obama had me conned.

    I think it’s fair to say Obama had himself conned too. Politics brings out the cynic in us and the idealist in us. I think some politicians believe their own rhetoric.

    Had the words not been so lofty in 2008, the vote would still have gone to Obama. McCain was simply not an option.

  222. Gates was not arrested for breaking into his own home. And you know that.

    And Rabbit, that leads to your defense of the cop, doesn’t it? Gates was arrested for talking smack. And those who supported the arrest then were wrong then and are wrong now. The cop let his dick do his talking for him instead of using his head and defusing the situation.

    Let’s not re-litigate this one. My conclusion four years ago was the right one. They were both a$$holes (the cop and Gates).

  223. Before I go to bed, let’s lay to rest this bullsh*t that criticizing Eastwood was all the liberal media had in their holster. Those who say that weren’t paying attention. Ryan and his series of half-truths got loads of attention and Romney’s bellicose rhetoric toward China and Russia also got loads of attention. The fact that Romney never mentioned our troops in Afghanistan was also notable.

    Romney did what he needed to do. He made himself more human. You’d have to be a heartless a$$hole not to be moved by “the rose” story. Frankly, I tear up every time it gets repeated on the news.

  224. @306 “If you don’t care whether it’s factual then it makes no difference anyway. I assumed you did”

    Of course I care if it’s factual. What I should have said was I didn’t care if the Times piece was a true picture of the right’s reaction. I was amused that Clint (the wiley ole fox) used the GOP convention to say something he obviously wanted said.

    @312 ” I for one use the fact that I watched the event.”

    And I have to rely on the printed word or the radio as I do not have TV or the ability to download YouTube.

  225. “Let’s not re-litigate this one. My conclusion four years ago was the right one. They were both a$$holes (the cop and Gates).”

    Only one falsely screamed racism and had the support of the president.

    And Rutherford, that leads to your defense of Obama, doesn’t it?

  226. Why I Hate Politics!
    This article is a perfect example of misleading information. The fact is that the federal government does not allow the use of federal funds for abortion. The left will take this and run.

    GOP Platform: Abortion Ban Approved By Republicans In Tampa

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/platform-abortion_n_1837571.html

    ” Republicans emphatically approved a toughly worded party platform at their national convention Tuesday that would ban all abortions and gay marriages,

    Here are key elements of the Republican platform:
    ABORTION:
    The party states that “the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.” It opposes using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or to fund organizations that perform or advocate abortions. It says the party will not fund or subsidize health care that includes abortion coverage.”

  227. And Rabbit, that leads to your defense of the cop, doesn’t it? Gates was arrested for talking smack. And those who supported the arrest then were wrong then and are wrong now. The cop let his dick do his talking for him instead of using his head and defusing the situation.” – R

    Bullshit.

    Imagine if a guy broke into your home, the neighbors saw and called the police, and when the police arrived, they simply took his word for it that he lived there. You’d be bemoaning how worthless cops are.

    Gates had a LEGAL OBLIGATION to follows the instructions of the officer. He refused and was arrested for such. His claims of racism were crap and history has born out not just how wrong gates was, but how wrong Obama was. I know no sane person who thinks Obama or Gates came out ahead in that confrontation.

    We’ve posted the police report here before, witnessing minority officers have corroborated his story and, oh by the way, he was the EO officer for the police station. You’ve never had a leg to stand on with regards to how Gates was right, how Obama was right or how the cop was wrong. You’re only issue has ever been that the cop was white and Gates is black, and therefore the cop was somehow wrong for doing what the rest of the nation would say is his fucking job.

    Sorry bud, you’re the only one who was wrong then and is wrong now.

  228. So tell me, Raji. And please do so that I may be 100% confident in your testimony.

    You say you are a seeker of truth, though I’ve found your preference for truth bends way left. Add to the fact, you have once again used a far left leaning source as criticism.

    On a personal note, I’m not finding a whole lot of truth, but am finding an incredible amount of spin.

    —–

    You tell me exactly how you can verify for us that no federal funds are used for abortifacients, abortions and the like at Planned Parenthood for example?

    I’ll give you a head’s up. You can’t.

    Planned Parenthood is allotted a certain number of federal dollars to be used at their discretion. The Hyde Amendment, a law that prohibits the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or when the mother’s life is in peril. What’s to prevent Planned Parenthood from simply declaring the mental health as reason, or rape where there’s no rape? They’ve done it many, many times before.

    So you, the seeker of truth, are wanting all of us to believe that the same outfit who has been busted on video at least half a dozen times for fraud and lying in the last six month, we’re now supposed to trust in their judgment and believe their witness?

    Kind of like I didn’t have sex with that woman, right?

    Feh…

  229. @341 I think a twist was just put on my straight ball but I’ll try to step up to the plate and bat but for some reason I think I’ll strike out.

    My point was not whether Planned Parenthood or Medicaid uses federal funds illegally for abortions. My point I was trying to make was that a left leaning news outlet used a headline stating the GOP platform approved an Abortion Ban which is misleading. Most readers left or right never get past the headlines. The article goes on to say that Republicans approved a party platform that would ban all abortions which is a FALSE statement.

    One must continue reading to realize the party platform “opposes using public revenue to promote or perform abortion or to fund organizations that perform or advocate abortions”.

    I assume the GOP Platform wants to include not funding all abortions whereas the Hyde Amendment does have exceptions but no where can I determine that the GOP wants to BAN abortions but BAN funds to pay for them. I therefore find the left leaning news outlet to be MISLEADING and that is why I hate politics!

  230. FWIW, I followed you Raji. The left’s effort to focus on abortion in general is another pathetic distraction. Of course we were all “outed” by Akin and hos pro-rape comments through the vigilance of Newt’s of the world. 🙄

    The silence is deafening even here at R’s blog. Thousands and thousands of comments and dozens of posts — none that address Obama’s record or plan. Well until R went back to the Gates incident.

    Forward!

  231. Tex noted: “Planned Parenthood is allotted a certain number of federal dollars to be used at their discretion. The Hyde Amendment, a law that prohibits the use of federal funds for abortions except in cases of rape, incest or when the mother’s life is in peril. What’s to prevent Planned Parenthood from simply declaring the mental health as reason, or rape where there’s no rape?”

    Precisely. It’s all hypocrisy, from beginning to end. Money is fungible; once it goes into the bucket, you cannot say which dollar went to which service. If dollar A is not to be used for abortion, then you use dollar B, and A goes to fund what B would otherwise have. It’s the same as if you had used dollar A for abortions to start with.

    The govt needs to get over its schizophrenia and decide if abortion is legal or not (I think they already did that) – and if so, whether they are going to fund organizations that provide it. Otherwise it’s just mental masturbation, and we have bigger fish to fry right now – like, say, the very survival of our country.

  232. PF, you’re right. It has been decided and the platform never changed.

    R, there is no “backdoor.” It’s constitutional or not. The SCOTUS has already spoken.Talk about non-issue.

    Raji, Forward! means full-throttle over the cliff.

  233. Rutherford, did you read the article in #318?

    I have to feel that Jane Romney is correct. The women will rise up en mass if efforts are made to make abortions illegal regardless of their position. No one wants their daughter sneaking off to the back alleys of yore. Can’t you just picture the tweets depriving the men of “nookie” 😉

  234. Any wagers on whether Clinton will pick up the War on Women meme. Maybe he could have the left’s former hero Anthony Weiner occupy the empty chair to speak to it.

  235. Well Raji, Obama and the left have been trained to believe that the executive operates by decree so I can understand your concern. But that only applies to Obama.

  236. Pfesser, we’ll never agree about abortion, but you’re damn right in the money is fungible. And Tigre is absolutely right that all of this is an attempt to distract from Obama’s miserable record.

    If the Republicans blow it this time, then I will have no use for them anymore.

    IMO, the Republicans are so incredible ignorant to be drawn into an argument about the ‘social issues’, even the fact that a large majority of its citizenry now wants some restriction on abortion, that they shoot themselves in the foot. The elephants do allow themselves to distract from an otherwise far superior platform of ideas. This is the Dimocrats game, and the dummies on the right still haven’t learned it.

    If the economy crumbles, nobody is going to give a damn about abortion, as hypocritical as that sounds. If you can’t feed your kids, you’re not going to give a hoot in hell about Planned Parenthood.

    Forget the pro-life platform. Elect a President who will appoint “pro-life” SCOTUS and shut your mouths if you want Roe V. Wade revoked. That’s good enough for me.

    It may surprise you I find it pure sanctimony on behalf of the ‘religious’, most who I find religious for the sake of being religious.

  237. “I have to feel that Jane Romney is correct. The women will rise up en mass if efforts are made to make abortions illegal regardless of their position. No one wants their daughter sneaking off to the back alleys of yore. Can’t you just picture the tweets depriving the men of “nookie” ”

    My daughter, “Hurricane Hattie” just discovered this little problem. She says everyone she knows (I don’t know how many that is) is frantically tweeting and Facebook-ing, “The Republicans are trying to outlaw abortion!”

    Her response is, “Well, yeah…where have you been for the past ten years?”

    Right or wrong, the young women are fired up now in a way they never were before. Nice going, Akin…

    As for the last line, this has already been thought of. Ancient Chinese proverb: Man who lose key to girlfriend’s apartment ——get no noo – key.

    (groan)

  238. Oh no. You’ll hear “war on women” and “seat at the table” a thousand times. Watch Obama’s propaganda channel MSNBC for 10 minutes if you want to know what the dimwits will be going for. Or read R’s pretend outrage tweets.

    The latest? We want to go back in time to when blacks knew their place. “RNC from the era of black and white t.v”. Need something to hang more meaningless platitudes on, like “Forward!” followed by the usual tantrums, hence Matthews’ stupidity. It’s the theme that doesn’t match and why he sounds like such a loon to anyone that doesn’t mindlessly gobble the goo (HT Alfie).

    Noah. R isn’t even responding to calls for the plan he promised. He hasn’t been told what it is yet and I guess doesn’t get that that was the point of calling him out on it. Since it was “put up or shut up” he’s elected the latter.

  239. No shit PF. Where have they been for 30 years is more like it though. I asked several times for the “platform” exposed by Akin to Newt and R who were so vociferous about the revelation. Crickets.

  240. Marching FORWARD to DEPRESSION.

    We’ll hear a million times from “giants” like Eva Longoria, that Obama saved us from a second depression. My question will be, exactly how?

  241. I notice our blog host remained completely silent on my PDF file demonstrating the market labor participation rates have dropped about 4 percentage points under Obama too.

    Where’s those millions of jobs Obama created again, Rutherford?

  242. Crickets on LIBOR and the Fed’s 16 trillion dollar giveaway.

    The media would rather we discuss the petty and personal as usual. This week we get the Democrat’s pep rally. Then we can compare performances. 🙄 Like that’s going to sway voters. The GOP points fingers at Obama while he points back. Juvenile. This way the PTB can continue their pillage unchallenged.

    Where’s those millions of jobs Obama created again, Rutherford?

    Ask the gun industry. He’s certainly increased production and their bottom line. The growth has been astounding.

    Ask the Military Industrial Complex. He’s certainly increased their buying and hiring power. The drone industry alone has to have hired on a few folks, I’m guessing. Contract labor and government never had it so good. Security alone is a huge industry. Talk about creating a perfect market. Job security takes on a new level.

    The DHS is a huge labor source. I guess it isn’t the same job creation you’d want really, since it is a part of government and huge, with just the labor force in TSA alone. How about all their equipment and uniform needs? Outsourced means private industry. Could be imported. Likely much is. Oh, well. Somebody marked it up on this end. Capitalist! And the service needs will be localized…

    Then there’s road crews. Man, there is road work always happening. Everywhere. We’re good at paving and repaving. Spreading oil from sea to shiny sea. I guess those highway funds gotta keep being spent. Use them or lose them.

    Oh, BTW. Presidents don’t create jobs. Some say industry does. But really the market does. Ideally a job fills a need. To create a need where there was none is where entrepreneurial capitalists and governments thrive.

    We need community first. Jobs come to communities. Disassemble the global beast and stop it from sucking resources from our communities. Cut off its circulation.

  243. [Noah. R isn’t even responding to calls for the plan he promised. He hasn’t been told what it is yet and I guess doesn’t get that that was the point of calling him out on it.]

    Funny you said this, because that is EXACTLY where I was going. R will put out his play the day after someone else does, and like any true Leftist, will change a couple phrases then call it their own.

  244. It’s the kids fault he didn’t reach out to the GOP more.

    Is there anything he won’t blame on someone else?

    President Barack Obama is partly blaming his family and children for his inability to lessen Washington’s partisanship and gridlock during his first term.

    On CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday show, Jessica Yellin said she interviewed Obama for a forthcoming documentary and asked him why he did not do more outreach to Republicans in the beginning of his term to bridge the divides Obama often rails against.

    Yellin said Obama told her one of the reasons he did not was because he wanted to spend more time at home with his kids and family.

    “He was trying to spend some time at home with his family in the evenings and on the weekends,” Yellin said.

    Yellin noted Obama suggested things may be different in the second term when his kids are older.

    “If this was such a priority, why didn’t he do it?,” Yellin asked. “You can carve out one night a week to go out and socialize and reach across the aisle.”

    Simple truth: He didn’t want too, he won after all…

  245. Tell you what’s really funny, Gorilla. Remember this when Rutherford calls any Republican a hypocrite.

    At the Dim Convention, they apparently will highlighting the “War on Women” with Bill Clinton and Antonio Villaragosa as speakers. Now that is a screamer.

    You aware of Villaragosa’s sterling reputation as womanizer?

    Antonio Villaragosa has had 4 children from three different women. He cheated on his wife while she was undergoing thyroid cancer treatment. He changes his name to “honor” his wife’s surname but then goes ahead and “bangs” Telemundo reporter Mirthala Salinas which costs him his marriage, but not his “name”. On top of that, apparently Antonio Villaragosa can’t pass the bar exam in four tries.
     
    😆 😆 😆

    Pure Dimocratic politics right there for display.

  246. Yellin said Obama told her one of the reasons he did not was because he wanted to spend more time at home with his kids and family.

    How is this possible from the President who has campaigned more than the last 5 Presidents combined?

  247. If you get Current TV, you might want to set this to record, “Robert Greenwald’s documentary Koch Brothers Exposed.” I just found out it is on, so I haven’t seen it yet, but we all keep hearing about the mysterious Koch Bros….

  248. Newt I got Current when I lived in CT. Unfortunately my carrier here in Illinois does not have Current on the channel list.

    Be patient with Noah’s ignorance. He knows not what he speaks. The Kochs pour big money into political initiatives of all kinds, most if not all very conservative. A force to be reckoned with.

  249. Current TV, Democratic Underground, MSNBC, Wattle Jeans, and PuffHO. Bastions of incredibly deep thought.

    Newton herself is real “force” to be reckoned with. 😈

    Until last week, I thought our host knew better.

  250. How about those jobs Rutherford? You got your link. How about those 4.3 mil jobs?

    Not saying this to piss you off Noah but I can’t find “the link”. Is it in this thread? Please repost so I can incorporate it into the Obama plan post which is being written and will probably “go to press” sometime tomorrow.

  251. Alfie, have no fear, my wife pretty much agrees with me that it’s reverse sexism for Ann Romney to claim women care more about their family’s than men do. (Yeah yeah I know she didn’t say that. But she came damn close. If I ever get to meet her, I’ll make sure to “sigh” real loud so she gets the message.)

    Tigre, I agree with you that Clinton doesn’t love Obama but I read a piece a day or two ago that Obama has been sucking up to Bill big time recently and Bill’s ego just can’t resist the stroking. We’ll see just how convincing his advocacy will be this week. The jury is still out.

    Tigre as for personhood and the SCOTUS what you said was plain dumb. Laws are passed all the time in part to test the constitutionality of said laws. Personhood is alive and well as a legislative initiative in this country. MI and CO had the good sense to defeat it in a referendum. The SCOTUS had nothing to do with it. Maybe I’m not getting your point.

    To Raji, I believe Jane Romney. I happen to think the “severely conservative Mitt Romney” is a total hoax. The man is by nature a moderate to progressive Republican. If he wins in November Tex etal will be pissing in their pants when Mitt goes all moderate on their ass. 😆

  252. Tex, I’d call you an idiot but I have to confess you don’t watch Fox News so I can’t accuse you of making stupid baseless comparisons.

    Going to bed. Obama plan post will come out late tomorrow (Monday). No one will like it … hell, from what I’ve written so far, I don’t even like it. 😦

  253. [Alfie, have no fear, my wife pretty much agrees with me that it’s reverse sexism for Ann Romney to claim women care more about their family’s than men do. (Yeah yeah I know she didn’t say that. But she came damn close.]

    To quote myself….

    [He instead picks some obscure topic, or takes an actual topic, or presupposes an imaginary event, or takes the worst case scenario as if it is the only possible outcome, then goes off running on that.]

    Do I know what I am talking about or WHAT!

    Hey R, could you, if and when you post that plan, also explain why it took so long? I mean, if someone asked me a question, I cant imagine taking weeks to come up with an answer. Is it as I suspect you were hoping to give someone elses answer and present it as your own, and it never came? So you are having to cobble together some sort of half baked response instead?

  254. “Tigre as for personhood and the SCOTUS what you said was plain dumb.”

    Really genius? Tell us how your “backdoor” works. The constitutional test for anti-abortion statutes is controlled by Roe. Enlighten us with your vast legal knowledge. Or are you so ignorant that the threat the fed (not state??) would pass an unconstitutional statute so it will be tested is what your blabbering about? You’re not referring to a constitutional amendment, the real mechanism, so you think relabeling “personhood” will change the constitutional analysis under Roe? And you claim what I said was “plain dumb?”

    I won’t bother wasting my time trying to correct you since you never really expend the effort to try and understand legal or economic concepts. I used to think you were just intellectually lazy. However, I’ve come to realize that you prefer ignorance.

    I can’t wait for the big plan. I hope you share it with Obama. He’s counting his moronic base to get whipped up with stupidity like your “backdoor” abortion threat than expect him to produce one.

  255. Noah, you keep posting that dumb Janesville link. That’s not the one I want (also, I’ve already refuted it). What I want is a source of your 0.1 million jobs created vs the 4.3 million claimed by the Obama campaign. Please post the link soon, if you want it reflected in my soon to come piece.

    As for the time it’s taken … that’s partly explained in the article itself but there is really nothing sinister nor underhanded about it. I have always suffered from a fatal flaw …. procrastination.

  256. OK Tigre, my bad for calling your comment dumb particularly since I don’t have a law degree. It would have been wiser to say “I don’t understand your comment”.

    Spare a moment to consider my laymen’s reasoning. Personhood defines the fertilized egg (not even the implanted egg) as a human being protected by the Constitution and I believe specifically the 14th Amendment. Since abortion deprives a person (fertilized egg) of life (not to mention liberty and property), abortion would be illegal under all circumstances. Using an IUD to prevent implantation would be tantamount to murder.

    My point was that SCOTUS rulings do not prevent future laws from being drafted. Once passed, these laws can then be legally challenged and ruled unconstitutional but that doesn’t stop them from going into effect in the interim.

    Now the 14th talks about “All persons born or naturalized in the United States”, so it seems to me any personhood legislation or amendments would have to change the definition of “born” or replace it with “conceived”.

    In any case, that is where I was coming from. My calling your comment dumb was born of my overall frustration with this particular comment thread which shows so few of you having any intellectual integrity vis-a-vis the GOP convention.

  257. @ Rutherford 388…I’m glad you offered up something else since as much as I wanted to harp on your reverse feminism thing I also kinda didn’t.
    Yeah I think it is a great thing that the Russians are acknowledging they are on notice and I tip my hat to an FP piece that actually shows it is connected to the deeper issues..

    Sure Russia has a legitimate concern over being surrounded by missiles,even if those missiles are defensive ones in nature.

    Russia is on the brink of deciding which way it is going. In my opinion the direction is an energy producing,super regional power.

    What I mean by this is that Russia will pursue policies and allies that keep oil and gas high. On the flip side I think Putin has decided on the short term that Iran isn’t to be one of those allies but a pawn usable upon interest. Do you see where that gets interesting?
    I think Russia will pursue geopolitical actions that hamper US gas exports. I also believe they will target Israeli/Cypriot gas production and will do so while they look to get involved more fully in the Israel,Syria,Lebanon triangle. Again one can see where Iran will be used and abused and potential instability grows.
    In Europe I think they will continue to hound their former vassals and if the EU continues down the path they are on I see Germany being embraced in a joint venture policy that will forever alter Europe.

  258. Considering the campaign has been ongoing and a big part of the ‘news’ for some time, I can’t see where the convention should expect an increase in support of all things GOP.

    Much like I don’t expect the DNC to make any significant bumps within the electorate. I think there is more apathy the longer this plays out. It becomes more an issue of making a point, rather than working toward solutions. Much ado about nothing.

    It seems the direction of the country is the same, no matter who is screaming the most or the loudest. It’s all comes off as tit for tat, all the while the ground we felt was solid and established is being systematically removed from under our feet.

    It’s uncomfortable and disconcerting. We like to think what we do has positive impact, when often it’s insignificant, or worse – detrimental. We also don’t want to consider that what we have collectively done can cause harm or destruction, so the reaction is often one of cognitive dissonance.

  259. Noah, thanks for the link. Please help me with something because either I’m not reading this right, or it makes no sense:

    I’m using the Employment table from the BLS A Tables. This is not the one that most Obama proponents prefer to use. They prefer using the BLS B Tables because they give numbers that are kinder to Obama. But the B Tables undercount employment (they only count payrolls) and everyone knows this.

    If the B tables undercount employment (because they only count payrolls) how could they possibly give numbers that are “kinder to Obama”? In other words, wouldn’t Obama want to use the tables that give the largest employment figures (Table A)?

    And again, if Obama is using the B tables to arrive at 4.3 million, how could table A (with higher employment numbers) possibly yield a lower number 0.1 million?

    I’m not playing semantic games with you here. I honestly don’t get what Political Math did here if the quote I highlighted is the case.

    Please explain if you can.

  260. Alfie @ 390 “I see Germany being embraced in a joint venture policy that will forever alter Europe.”

    Joint venture policy with whom?
    That FP article was an eye opener to say the least. Thanks R for linking it.

  261. Russia is on the brink of deciding which way it is going. In my opinion the direction is an energy producing,super regional power.

    Is this not preferable to an aggressive empire builder? As long as Russia stays within her borders, why should we not expect, and why should we oppose, her desire to establish profitable alliances?

    On a much higher philosophical level, isn’t there room on the planet for two or three “super-powers”? Do we really have to be the only one?

  262. I find it humorous that the ‘conservatives’ on this board can cite the Blaze or Breitbart or other obvious right wing propaganda sites as valid and yet criticize ‘liberals’ for posting TPM or Huffington Post or other obvious left wing propaganda sites as valid.

    Often it takes hearing the slant from both sides and filtering out the obvious bias to decipher the truth. But then, most Americans are lazy and don’t make that effort. I think that is why FOX is so popular. It isn’t really news we’re after, rather validation of our existing beliefs.

    A message is often lost because we don’t approve of the messenger or where its chosen to be delivered. Pitiful, really. Still no excuse.

  263. Newt, one thing that pundits have noted is that Romney’s speech had no real compelling take away line. In 2000 we had Bush’s “compassionate conservative”. In 2008, we had McCain’s “reformer/maverick” shtick. What line from Romney’s speech will anyone be quoting even a couple of days later? Sure he had a couple of good moments in the moment but nothing really lasting. Nothing even memorable from a ridicule POV. Obama is still paying for “lowering the waters”. Romney’s speech didn’t even rise to the level of memorable idiocy.

    His speech basically followed the AMA creed of “first, do no harm.”

  264. While we’re on Romney’s speech I noticed another interesting disconnect. Romney claimed every President after his first term could say things were better than when he came into office …. except Carter and Obama. Isn’t it interesting that he left out the other one term President George H.W. Bush?

  265. @395 Raji. The thinking is that as Germany continues to need fossil energies (green just ain’t cutting it for them and they have been closing their nukes) and as Russia needs better industrial manufacturing practices germany will enter into an agreement that looks like this. Gas (lng) to Germany and people and practices to Russia to bolster manufacturing and open up markets to the Germans. It really is a logical choice and lets face it the Germans are historically quite logical and concrete in their thinking. Besides when it comes to Germany more independence and more telling France and Greece to eat it is a good thing.

  266. @ Rutherford 396
    Is this not preferable to an aggressive empire builder? As long as Russia stays within her borders, why should we not expect, and why should we oppose, her desire to establish profitable alliances?
    First of all I didn’t say Russia is lacking in aggressiveness. I distinctly hinted at Russia go outside of here present borders. Her desires for alliances and business is totally understandable that doesn’t mean it is going to be comfortable for US.
    On a much higher philosophical level, isn’t there room on the planet for two or three “super-powers”? Do we really have to be the only one?
    Well there better be because everything I see points to the world going the spheric alliance route I spoke about before. The biggest difference is that for good or bad the USA believes it has interests in all the spheres. Romney has pledged a hemispheric alliance early in his administration. There is a real sound set of reasons for this. We of course are clearly seeing a Sino-sphere thing happening to which we have the Pacific Pivot. Russia will help reset the European sphere and the Middle East and ‘Stans are shaping up secondary to energy and ongoing Islam v West type stuff.
    Its happening Rutherford,this is undeniable. What will be the roles and outcomes….well we start that in November one way or the other.

  267. Instead of “Psychologists help 9/11 truth deniers” Poolman’s video should be titled “Psychologists help truthers maintain their paranoid delusions”.

    What is really silly about the video is that you don’t need to be a truther to be upset that our country failed to protect us. The fact is our country failed to protect us. That IS the official story.

  268. @ RUTHERFORD 399. I am admittedly biased but I think there is another take on this.
    The Romney campaign isn’t looking for a one liner of its own. It is looking for a state of mind. It is embracing many aspects to get the common themes of disappointment,ineptitude and new change. This is what I see brewing anyway and I think I could point out more stuff to prove it.

  269. I find it humorous that the ‘conservatives’ on this board can cite the Blaze or Breitbart or other obvious right wing propaganda sites as valid and yet criticize ‘liberals’ for posting TPM or Huffington Post or other obvious left wing propaganda sites as valid.

    Poolman, dear Sir, where have you been for the past couple of years? This selective sourcing has been the standard operating procedure of the conservatives here from day one. It used to piss me off. Now I just find it amusing. I almost soiled myself when Noah posted an article from Rolling Stone a few days ago …. if he only knew in what disrepute that publication is held by his conservative brothers here. Yet I only heard crickets about that link. Had I posted it, there would have been a chorus of guffaws at my sourcing.

  270. The fact is our country failed to protect us. That IS the official story.

    No it isn’t. Everything has gone as planned. All those plans were established well before that event. The failure is in not realizing that. It’s all documented. The rest of the world is quite aware. It’s us that cannot see the Emperor’s wardrobe for what it is, or isn’t.

  271. Poolman, dear Sir, where have you been for the past couple of years?

    Oh, I’ve been here observing. Trust me, I’ve pointed it out before. Often though, it takes several times of reiterating to relay a message. Most of mine are repeats. Sometimes the hammer misses the head. 😉

  272. The rest of the world thinks George Bush collapsed the towers? Poolman, c’mon man! Old George was not particularly popular overseas but it had nothing to do with orchestrating the worst mainland attack on our country in its history.

  273. It’s like the Gulf of Tonkin incident which led to our aggression and massive deaths in Vietnam. Most Americans now admit we were fooled by our own government there. How can they continue to deny it? Some, however do, in spite of facts. It hurts our image of our ‘great and righteous protector’ nation.

    Like an abusive spouse, we deny and make excuses for them and often remain ourselves paralyzed, not able to leave the abusive situation, or at the least see it objectively.

    We know George H.W. Bush lured Saddam into Kuwait for the first gulf war and then beat him down and destroyed his military and began the systematic destruction of his country and people, eventually leading to our illegal invasion of the country based on lies of WMD or a connection to September 11, 2001.

    Or is it just easier to forget those uncomfortable truths?

  274. The rest of the world thinks George Bush collapsed the towers?

    No. The rest of the world can examine the evidence and conclude that the US government’s story has been concocted and is likely fantasy. It is the same story we were told at 11 am on 9/11/2001. It was solved by the PTB well before one shred of evidence was examined.

    Nothing scientific was applied to arrive at that early conclusion.

    Prior to that, we called these type of campaigns shock and awe.

  275. Two things, Rutherford.

    First, you keep talking about how unpopular George Bush was overseas. Bush was much more popular with Eastern Europe, the former Soviet satellites, and Israel than Obama has been.

    The only people Obama appears popular with are those that want America weakened – including some in Europe like France, which is feckless. We all know that. To brag of being popular with Fidel, Hugo, and Hamas is surely nothing to brag about in my estimation.

    Second, it doesn’t matter how many jobs Obama has claimed he has created. The only statistic that matters is the labor force participation rates – the only meaningful statistic other than average wage which has also gone down significantly under Obama’s failed leadership.

    After $5,500,000,000,000.00 in additional debt, America’s labor force participation is down about 4-5% since Obama took office – a 32 year low. Clearly Obama has created no new net jobs – and in fact, millions have been lost while Obama President.

    I expect these conclusions from Newton because she’s dimwitted and slow. But I do expect you to understand at least simple statistics and basic math so that you can quit claiming falsehoods.

    You should do your own research and quit relying on MSNBC for your talking points. It makes you appear as stupid as their staff.

  276. I can’t help but notice that the citation/linkage issue has become near menstrual in regularity.
    Does anyone find this topic anymore credible than 99% of what poolman brings to the table?

  277. The table Obama uses only counts jobs created. The other table takes into account jobs lost to give the real growth for our nation. Al the numbers shown for each President take both factors into account to give an actual account of the state of things, if that makes sense.

  278. Alfie, most things are cyclical in nature, as with your critique.

    As for topics interjected and discussed by the masses, one day it’s race, the next religion, then political ideology, then sexual attitudes, then rights of the unborn, then responsibilities of the state or person, then gun and self defense rights, etc…

    The defining moment to me is when one can break out of an unproductive and continuing trend. Still, it remains easier to discredit a source than defend a philosophy or tread on unknown territory.

    To me it seems foolish not to consider other sources even if they only serve to solidify your own view. It’s called critical thinking and can be both risky and unsettling. The rewards are sometimes bittersweet. But it’s the only way to truly learn truth. Not that everyone

    wants

    to learn the truth. Often it is too painful and we tend to avoid pain at any cost.

  279. Here is a technical description

    This news release presents statistics from two major surveys, the
    Current Population Survey (CPS; household survey) and the Current Employment Statistics survey (CES; establishment survey). The household survey provides information on the labor force, employment, and unemployment that appears in the “A” tables, marked HOUSEHOLD DATA. It is a sample survey of about
    60,000 eligible households conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau for the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

    The establishment survey provides information on employment, hours, and earnings of employees on nonfarm payrolls; the data appear in the “B” tables, marked ESTABLISHMENT DATA. BLS collects these data each month from the payroll records of a sample of nonagricultural business establishments. Each month the CES program surveys about 141,000 businesses and government agencies, representing approximately 486,000 individual worksites,
    in order to provide detailed industry data on employment, hours, and earnings of workers on nonfarm payrolls. The active sample includes approximately one-third of all nonfarm payroll employees.

    For both surveys, the data for a given month relate to a particular week or pay period. In the household survey, the reference period is generally the calendar week that contains the 12th day of the month. In the establishment survey, the reference period is the pay period including the 12th, which may or may not correspond directly to the calendar week.

    This is a more precise explanation as I was reading from the comment section of the article.

  280. Tool™

    With respect to your rampant schizophrenia and rancid delusions of paranoia which you refuse to seek treatment, if there are three words that don’t particularly apply to you, they would be

    (1) Productivity
    (2) Critical Thinking
    (3) Truth

    There is nobody here that finds you credible. You may have an ear at the Chatty Kitchen Think Tank, but not here.

    On a bad day for Obama when Rutherford is feeling blue, becomes more sympathetic when he needs a friend. A few are polite and ignore you; the orneriest of the bunch simply find you a perpetual stooge and useful idiot for evil.

  281. Tex,

    You are probably the biggest stick in the mud I have ever encountered on the internet. That is my opinion, obviously you have others around that say the things you want to hear. Your constant criticism and insults help bolster my resolve.

    I know when I am right and enjoy opportunities to prove it. I also will admit when I am proven otherwise.

    If you could point out a single fallacy in the last video I linked, have at it. I know you can’t. So keep up the false front. I’m certain you’re receiving a just reward.

  282. According to Sheppard Smith, it has been confirmed that at least two former Bain employees will speak at the Democratic National Convention during primetime. Wonder what they are going to say?
    Tex, why don’t you get a meaningful life?

  283. Second, it doesn’t matter how many jobs Obama has claimed he has created.

    Obviously it does matter if one source says 4.3 million and another says 0.1 million.

    the only meaningful statistic other than average wage which has also gone down significantly under Obama’s failed leadership.

    Have you gone completely bonkers? Now Obama is responsible for wages? Wages have stagnated or dropped over a 30 year period and this is mostly the fault of big business paying less for more productivity. I swear I think you privately blame Obama for the Crucifixion!

  284. The table Obama uses only counts jobs created. The other table takes into account jobs lost to give the real growth for our nation. Al the numbers shown for each President take both factors into account to give an actual account of the state of things, if that makes sense.

    Noah, thanks. That would make sense if that is what the author said. But from what I quoted, one table uses payroll data from companies. The other appears to use data culled from households. It has nothing to do with gross jobs vs net jobs.

    Your interpretation does indeed make the numbers fall in line but again that’s not what Political Math said in his analysis.

    This page defines the tables according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS): http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

    For July, this is Table A (supposedly used by Political Math)
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.a.htm

    And this is Table B (supposedly used by Obama)
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.b.htm

    If you look at the tables, it has nothing to do with accounting for jobs lost in one table vs the other. .

    Until I get a better explanation I have to believe Political Math is pissing on our leg and telling us it’s raining.

  285. Tex, why don’t you get a meaningful life?

    Coming from you, my life is most meaningful. 😀

    I’ve found through experience, many times a horrid example like you is the best teaching example (of what not to be). You’re such a predictive gauge of abject stupidity and rank propaganda, I could be completely dumb and only need to know what you are for, to determine what to be against.

  286. Rutherford,

    Noah suffers from the same tainted logic Tex uses to call out Obama for 4.5 trillion in debt and yet ignores that the 16 trillion debt incurred regardless of POTUS by the apolitical albeit zionist elephant in the room.

  287. Rutherford, the only thing that dumb here is your determination to chow down on the Obama shit sandwich while spending your Labor Day notsofunemployed.

    For better or worse, Eastwood touched a nerve, to the degree that your thin-skinned messiah felt moved to tweet back as Americans recognized the fact that it was a perfect metaphor for a man who’s ineffectiveness and distain for what makes America America is only matched by the empty rhetoric of glittering generalities, boneheaded “solutions” that help only political allies and the nation’s creditors, and the blame of others and weak, tired, and trite excuses instead of leadership.

    People managed to accomplish the daily activities of life and reach long-term goals without the intrusion and taxation that Fediathan has brought to daily life, and one way or another, they’ll do it again.

    It will simply be a function of whether they do so because they woke up and decided to choose freedom, or whether they’ll accomplish it out of necessity when government is crushed under its own weight like a grotesquely bloated tick, unable to move under the size of its own bureaucracy.

  288. Your constant criticism and insults help bolster my resolve.

    I know when I am right and enjoy opportunities to prove it. I also will admit when I am proven otherwise.

    Tool™, your own life’s experiences have demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt, you haven’t been right since puberty.

    You have “resolved” one thing for me, Tool™.

    There are people out there with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I had actually been taught everybody has something to offer.

    I RESOLVED upon meeting you and Newton that is not true.

  289. See Newt, you’re Tex’s standard much as he is mine. Now the goal is to stay at number one. Seems like you usurped me. 😛

  290. Gee, R. If I’m “dumb” for adding to the chorus of empty chair pictures being posted to Twitter and Facebook today in criticism of your thin-skinned messiah, what does it make this Democrat Union Thug, doing what Democrat Union Thugs do best?

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/afscme-chief-screams-at-eastwood-chair-then-kicks-it-off-stage-at-dnc-function/

    To be fair, he should get credit for following Clint’s advice in Magnum Force and knowing his limitations. Not many union thugs would have the stones to say it to his face. I guess the idea of eating through a tube didn’t appeal to him.

  291. Rutherford has to lie to himself anymore to justify Obama as President. Clearly Obama has failed by any measurement. And it is so patently obvious.

    Remember, these statistics below are provided by the Federal Administration. I’m not pulling these from what Rutherford calls “biased” sources.

    That PDF file I provided clearly shows the U.S. labor force participation rate has gone from about 67% to 63% in four years, the lowest participation rate since 1980, when inflation was at or near 16%.

    In addition, the average net worth of Americans while Obama President has dropped precipitously – much of it having to do with a real estate value that while inherited, continues to shrink four years after Obama took office:

    At best, the only thing you can say about the economy during the Obama Presidency is that he has been unable to stop the bleeding of the housing market; has seen a 35% increase in the unemployment rate under his tutelage; food stamp allotment has increase over 50% under Obama; the national debt has increased 60% under Obama; the United States received it’s first historical downgrade while Obama the President.

    These numbers are not in in dispute. The only thing under dispute is whose fault it is. When does Obama and his super majority Dimocratic Congress become accountable for the massive failure?

    How anybody of sound mind is still willing to defend such an epic and deep abyss of performance, clearly indicates to me a level of madness bordering on insanity.

  292. Look a little deeper into the Bain @ D thing.

    I mean could they be having Steven Pagliuca speaking? He was at Bain. He is a Dem. He is a failure when it comes to politics. he is one of the 1%.
    Lets look even deeper. For primetime slots ALL the DEMS have is Bain? A convention where the underlying theme is the faux war on woman meme and some sour grape shit bags that are as guilty as Romney.
    You and Rutherford and every other dem shit bag should be ashamed of yourselves and your party. You’ve got nothing on offer and you for one have all ready preordered. What a fucking pathetic lot you all are.
    Rutherford,,,,this is what you got holding your standard and you wonder why I’ll be bailing if America is stupid enough to vote Warren and Obama

  293. Tex,

    I agree words and promises matter. That is why I am very disappointed in the POTUS. I don’t hide behind false pretenses. I don’t think Obama has the power you attribute to him, but I certainly consider him a liar and dishonest. I don’t see him as worse than the rest and certainly not any worse than a Mitt Rmoney. Remember, Mitt’s been campaigning longer and though he hasn’t been elected has been on both sides of just about every political issue. If he was elected in 2008, it’d be Romneycare we’d be trying to distance ourselves from. Regardless, I have little respect for politicians and more of a disdain for anything politic.

    You’re a gambling man, AND a man of faith (even if that faith often misdirected). Those are two things that cannot be denied based on your history in the posted comments.

    Let’s put both in play, shall we? Now, I’m not a gambler in the sense of placing bets based on outcomes, but I will gamble that even you can be moved to a place of reason. I know odds are against it, but nonetheless, I feel compelled to try. Mustard seed size faith can move mountains, after all.

    I will state that belief in a higher power, aka God, assumes His superiority above us in all capacities, known and hidden. By your own admittance, He does in the least hear our prayers and acknowledge our petitions. I feel certain you’d agree to that, no matter who’s delivering that message. “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven.”

    Therefore, by mutual agreement of wanting His will over our own, and giving Him all credit and praise, let’s proceed to the next advent.

    Heavenly Father, please show yourself to each of us individually in a tangible way, now, while it is still today. Please take us up a notch in our understanding and move us toward a closer relationship with You. Help our abilities to reason. Shine your revealing light in our areas of darkness, we pray.

    Simple yet definitive.

  294. Oh crap….apparently I checked HuffPo before newtie. Looks like the Bain connection will be sour grape,frame up losers who had connections to Bain operated companies. My earlier still holds,hell it is even worse now seeing as the dems will be going the “Mitt gave my bitch cancer ” route.
    I see a tri state democrat killing spree in my future….Newt where you live? lol

  295. You work on a false premise, Poolman.

    You associate Romney’s shortcomings as Obama’s shortcomings, as if they would be no different. You can’t fairly draw that conclusion with the information we have at present.

    Clearly, you have condemned Romney as no different than Obama and apparently even worse before Romney even has even had the chance to fail.

    I don’t think anyone can deny that Romney has succeeded personally, has a track record of understanding economics and finances, oversaw a successful Olympics that was in in disarray before Romney arrived. And Romney also appears to be a man of personal character and charity, without fanfare and with humility, if you are to believe the multitude of witnesses that have stepped forward from all walks of life, both genders and every flavor of politics.

    If you refer to Romney being pro-choice at one time, fine. But surely you can’t believe people by the experience of life don’t begin to draw different conclusions as they age and gain wisdom from their experiences? Does God not expect us to grow as we mature in our faith? Certainly says that in the Bible.

    Frankly, I find your charges of a Romney’s personal failures as scurrilous and unfounded. Therefore, I lend your charges no credibility before you even start the debate of pro or con alternative.

  296. Rutherford, the bottom line is that forever what reason, even you cannot deny Obama has not succeeded growing the economy or creating millions of good paying jobs. This Orwellian doublespeak of “jobs saved” or “keeping us from a depression” isn’t cutting it for the millions of unemployed, nor for the millions more underemployed.

    So you are charged this week with convincing the nation that something else is in the works to correct a situation at present that Obama has not delivered now in 46 months.

    Concerning only the economy:

    Romney and Ryan’s correct questioning of “what would be any different with another four years” is the most fair question of all for Obama and Biden. And if the only answer is to tax the millionaires and billionaires, even assuming it had no direct effect on the economy, Obama will be required to explain (1) why the math doesn’t work; (2) how this will create jobs; (3) how this won’t further add a trillion a year to the deficit; (4) how it won’t further slow growth.

    So what else does Obama have planned besides taxing the millionaires and billionaires and making more platitudes that didn’t work in 2008? A war on women?

  297. Alfie, I have to laugh at your manic exchanges with R. I see you struggling with wanting to give him the benefit if the doubt (rational) and pounding your head on the wall from the inanity (irrational). Good luck.

  298. #429, Poolman, I think I remind Tex of his mother-in-law, I bet she has plenty to say about him and to him. He is pretty much a mess, bless his heart!

  299. Actually Newt, you remind me of one that is diametrically opposed to my mother-in-law.

    My mother-in-law was one of the most selfless, finest people I ever met. A testament of a fine matriarch to a very nice family. And I treasure the memory of her, as she died tragically in 1997. When I look at my mother-in-law, I see my beloved wife.

    You on the other hand, are one of the most wretched people I’ve ever read, an anathema to womanhood, and a dimwitted stooge and liar.

    You can kiss my ass… 😉

    I hope I’ve made it perfectly clear that if you just happen to spin off the planet tonight, I’ll make a toast to your absence. Try and remember that when you address me next time.

  300. Rutherford,,,,this is what you got holding your standard

    I haven’t confirmed Newt’s assertion that Bain folks will get a primetime slot. I seriously doubt it and I don’t approve of it. It’s as bad as Clint Eastwood. It’s a waste of good primetime airtime.

  301. Noah your second explanation syncs with what is on the BLS page and does not speak to gross job gain vs net job gain. Again, I think without further clarification that Political Math is full of baloney.

  302. What else is there to say? Obama himself said not to vote for him if we ended up exactly in the predicament we are in. Terrible debt and high unemployment. End of story in my book. Hell, maybe Obama will be voting for Romney? The debt of every household is up 50% with unemployment over 8 percent. Let the other douche bags have a shot at it. When the economic reality is worse then the prediction of the President if his spending scheme didn’t pass…is there a defense for that? Voting for Obama is essentially another unfair bail out. He tried. He failed miserably. Let the businessman have a shot and…cough…pray like crazy the Dominionists don’t take over. Although…I will take some missionary sex right now with out complaint. What is it that one says to soften a barb? Oh yeah. Just sayin’.

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